Oct 20, 2020 Board of County Commissioners

>> COMMISSION PASSES. >> MOVING TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[Regular Agenda]

>> COMMISSIONER DPEEN? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> NONE.

>> I'LL BE DONE AS WELL >> ADMINISTRATION?

>> NONE, SIR >> YOU ALL ARE MAKING IT EASY.

THANK YOU. I'LL ENTERTAIN.

>> MOVE TO REGULAR AGENDA? >> SECOND.

>> MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHN

>> I'M YES AS WELL. MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[1. Presentation on Clerk of Court Reserve Fund. ]

MR. BRANDON PATTY, GOOD MORNING. S

SIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. HERE THIS MORNING, TO DISCUSS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CLERK OF RESERVE FUND.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. CURRENTLY AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR OUR GENERAL FUND 02 WHICH FUNDS OUR COUNTY OPERATIONS, COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, MINUTES AND RECORDS, INSPECTOR, OTHER ITEMS, GET REVERTED, EXCESS FUNDS GET REVERTED TO THE COUNTY. OUR GOAL AND INTENT IS TO HAVE THE REVERSION OF FUNDS GO INTO A RESTRICTED LINE ACCOUNT WITH THE COUNTY. SO CURRENTLY FOR THIS FY20, WE'RE ANTICIPATING 1.2 MILLION TO BE SENT BACK TO THE COUNTY.

BY THE WAY 500,000 HAS BEEN BUDGETED BY THE COUNTY.

AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS FUNDED BY THREE PRIMARY MECHANISMS. ONE IS THROUGH FUND 01, WHICH IS THE STATE FUNDING, COMES FROM THE STATE. WE GET A BUDGET AUTHORITY THROUGH THAT. WE DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL AND WE SEND THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS WELL.

WE HAVE ALSO FUNDING FROM YOU ALL.

THAT FUNDS THE COUNTY OPERATIONS AND FROM THE RECORDING REVENUES, WHICH THE FEES ARE SET BY THE STATE, AND GENERATED BY MARRIAGE LICENSES, PASSPORT APPLICATIONS -- THOSE ITEMS. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BOTH OF THE LINE ITEMS DROP TO ZERO.

WE START WITH THE FISCAL YEAR. THIS PLACE IS IN A POSITION, IF THE STATE AS WE'VE SEEN WITH COVID CUTS OUR BUDGET, THE CUT COULD IMPACT OUR CENTRAL OPERATIONS WHICH IN TURN WILL HINDER OUR ABILITY TO FULFILL OUR MISSION ON BEHALF OF THE

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ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND OUR PROPOSAL TO ESTABLISH A RESERVE FUND, A RESTRICTED ITEM WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH COULD BE SET AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR PERCENTAGE.

IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE, IF WE END UP IN A DOWNTURN, WHERE THE STATE CUTS OUR BUDGET OR WE SEE A DRAMATIC DECLINE OF OUR REVENUES THAT WE HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN ORDER TO INSURE WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO FULFILL OUR PARTICULAR MISSION AND PARTICULAR FUNCTIONS. I LEAVE IT TO YOU ALL AS IT RELATES TO WHAT THE AMOUNTS SHOULD BE OR HOW THE PRECEDENCE SHOULD BE SET. MY SENSE IS, WHATEVER MONEY THAT'S LEFT IN THE COUNTY WILL BE SET IN THE RESTRICTED LINE.

FOR THIS YEAR, IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY $730,000.

ANY ACTION WITH THIS MONEY WITH THE FUND WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. THIS WOULD NOT BE A FUND THAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE COULD SPEND AT WILL.

WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND BEFORE YOU, IN ORDER TO DISCUSS WHY WE USED TO USE THE RESOURCES AND IN WHAT WAY.

THE ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IN THE PERSONAL COST SIDE, WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING ON TO INSURE THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, THE RESOURCES, THE MANPOWER IN ORDER TO FULFILL OUR FUNCTIONS IN THE WORSE CASE SCENARIO WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHAT WE ARE PLANNING HERE. HOPE FOR THE BEST, PLAN FOR THE WORST. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLERK PATTY.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT, IF I MAY. SINCE WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY VOTING ON THIS THIS MORNING, BUT WE WILL VOTE AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHEN THERE'S A REVERSION OF FUNDS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. ANYWAY, IF THERE IS NO VOTE.

I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT IN THE ITEM.

I INDICATED THAT TO THE CLERK OF COURT, THAT I CAN'T SPEAK WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS UNLESS I SAY IT HERE, AND I WANT TO INDICATE MY SUPPORT TO THIS AND AS WE GO TO THE FUTURE, ANTICIPATE IT COMING UP AT SOME POINT IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT

FUTURE. >> LEGAL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO?

>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM THE BOARD, I THINK THE REQUEST FROM THE CLERK, THERE'S BEEN SOME ANALOGIES AND SOME OTHER FLORIDA COUNTIES. WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IS TO HAVE, I THINK, A LITTLE BIT OF A WRITTEN GUIDANCE, I THINK, THROUGH A RESOLUTION THAT COULD PROBABLY SPELL IT OUT.

IN OUR OFFICE, COULD WORK WITH THE CLERK OF COURT TO KIND OF COME UP WITH THAT. AND IT PROVIDES, YOU KNOW, THE BACKGROUND AND, I THINK, THE JUSTIFICATION.

AND IT COULD HAVE ALSO THE MECHANISM TO THE MANNER OF APPROVAL TO THE SPECIFIC BUDGET NUMBERS OR REQUEST OR THAT KIND OF THING. AND IT WILL BE MY SENSE TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ITS -- THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> MR. PATTY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR EACH OF US.

DO ANY OTHER COUNTIES HAVE A SIMILAR RESERVE FUND FOR THE

CLERK OF THE COURT? >> AND OUR RESEARCH IN TALKING WITH TALLAHASSEE AND THE MEMBER ASSOCIATION WITH THE OTHER 60 CLERK MEMBERS THERE, NOT A RESERVE HAS BEEN SET UP.

IT'S DUE TO SPECULATIVE, AND MY UNDERSTANDING, A LOT OF THE OFFICES OPERATE FROM A TRADITIONAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

THEY GET A DOLLAR, SPEND A DOLLAR.

WE'RE FORTUNATE, THAT THE CLERK'S OF COURTS, HUNTER CONRAD AND SO FORTH, LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.

WE HAVE A HISTORY OF SENDING IT BACK MONEY AND REVERTING IT TO THE COUNTY. WE'RE IN A POSITION, IF WE'RE ABLE TO SET THIS UP, IT WILL PUT US IN A GOOD FISCAL POSITION.

THAT SAID, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED, IF US BY HELPING ESTABLISH THIS, WE'RE HELPING TO SET A GOOD FRIEND FOR GOOD GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

>> ARE OTHER CLERK OF THE COURT OFFICE EXPERIENCING SIMILAR, FACING SIMILAR SITUATIONS, THREATS WITH BUDGET CUTS, ET CETERA, EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD?

>> YES, SIR >> HERE IN ST. JOHN'S, WE EXPERIENCE A 40 PERCENT CUT IN THE LAST QUARTER DUE TO COVID IMPACTS IN THE COURT SYSTEM. THANKS TO YOU ALL, WE'RE ABLE TO ALLOCATE OUR MONEY TO HELP US OVERAM COULD.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO EXPERIENCE ANY FURLOUGHS OR LAYOFFS. HOWEVER, IN OTHER CLERK'S OFFICE AROUND THE STATE, THEY'VE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT FURLOUGHS, SIGNIFICANT LAYOFFS.

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PINELLAS COUNTY, IN PARTICULAR, THEY ARE NOW CLOSED ON FRIDAYS.

AND THAT, IN TURN, RESULTS IN RESIDENTS UNABLE TO ACCESS THE COURT SYSTEM, IN ORDER TO FIX ISSUES, SIMILARLY WITH OUR RECORDING FUNCTIONS, IT PREVENTS THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO FILE A NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT, TO POTENTIALLY GET MARRIED AND SO FOR THE. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT IS ONE WAY TO HAVE A RESERVE FUND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BRIDGE THOSE GAPS THAT MAY PRESENT ITSELF IN THE FUTURE.

>> HOW IN THE PAST HAVE OTHER COURTS AND OFFICE YOU ARE IN, HOW DO THEY HANDLE SOME OF THE SHORTFALLS?

>> FURLOUGHS, LAYOFFS. >> AND WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR AVERAGE RETURN TO THE COUNTY. LAST YEAR, WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER. WHAT WAS THE RETURN TO THE COUNTY? WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATED RETURN

THIS YEAR? >> LAST YEAR'S RETURN WAS ROUGHLY $750,000. FOR THIS YEAR, WE'RE AT 1.2,

1,500,000. >> 730 SHOULD BE LEFT OVER?

>> YES, SIR >> PERSONALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE. BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW THING.

AND IT'S NOBODY ELSE IS DOING IT STATEWIDE, THEY WILL TAKE THAT RESERVE, THAT RESIDUAL FROM THIS YEAR, START A RESERVE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LATER, IF WE NEED TO ADD TO IT, WE CAN ADD TO IT.

THAT'S ABOUT 730,000. 750,000, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, START IT WITH THAT AND MOVE FORWARD.

IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDED LATER, MAYBE POTENTIALLY DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> YOUR OFFICE IS PARTICULARLY GOVERNED BY STATE MANDATES? OR YOUR FUNCTION HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT. IF THE MONEY IS IN THE RESERVE, DO THE SAME RESTRICTIONS EXPECT TO REMAIN?

>> NO, SIR. PRIMARILY BECAUSE -- WE HAVE FUND 01, WHICH IS OUR COURT BUDGET.

THOSE ARE STATE DOLLARS. THOSE ARE HIGHLY RESTRICTEDED.

WE CAN ONLY SPEND FUND 01 DOLLARS IN RESTRICTIONS, COUNTY DOLLARS ARE RECORDING REVENUES, THEY CAN BE SPENT ON COURT FUNCTIONS. THROUGH THE RESERVE FUND WE CAN USE THE RESOURCES TO FUND THE OPERATIONS IF WE END UP IN THE DIRE SITUATION. SIMILARLY, EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN WE REQUESTED AND YOU ALL SUPPORTED THE INCREASE OF OUR COURT SUBSIDY BUDGET. THAT'S TO HELP FUND THE COURT OPERATIONS. THANKFULLY WE DIDN'T NEED IT.

IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE THERE JUST IN CASE.

IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING 3-4, 5, 6, 7, MONTHS, WITH COVID. THE STATE HAS CUT OUR BUDGET SOMETIMES AT WILL. THEY'VE MOVED, THEY'VE INCREASED OUR ESTIMATES TO WHAT WE'RE SENDING BACK.

THEY'VE DECREASED IT. THE FUNDING MECHANISM FROM THE STATE IS QUITE FRANKLY BROKEN. IT'S SOMETHING THE STATE ASSOCIATION IS FIXING. BY HAVING THE RESERVE FUND, WILL ALLOW US NOT TO BE SO DEPENDENT ON TALLAHASSEE, BUT WE'RE ABLE

TO HEAR, SO OUR FUNCTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> I WOULD ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO.

WE HAVE TO JUST BE CAREFUL. I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT, ESPECIALLY GOVERNMENT, MOST DOLLARS, YOU GET A DOLLAR, YOU SPEND IT.

WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A THEORY, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR INEFFICIENCIES. THAT'S SOMETHING I STRESSED ALL THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE. WE'RE ACTUALLY MORE EFFICIENT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SERVES A GREAT PURPOSE FOR THE COUNTY. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S MAINTAINED. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A CAP, FIGURE OUT A PERCENTAGE OF MONEY YOU'RE GIVING BACK EVERY YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO REACH THE CAP. AND HOPEFULLY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOUCHED. ONE THING WE HAVE FOR JESSE, IF THAT'S EARMARKED FUNDS, DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BOND RATE? AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING.

>> LEGAL? >> MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I THINK, WITH THE CLERK.

I THINK THE CHAIR HAD ASKED AND THE CLERK HAD ANSWERED ABOUT IF THERE WERE SOME RESERVE FUND SET UP IN OTHER COUNTIES, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT. IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME REALLOCATION BACK FROM BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO THE CLERK, MORE OF AN AD HOCK BASIS.

ARE YOU AWARE? >> YES.

>> AND THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU MADE A STATEMENT I NEVER HEARD

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BEFORE. CLERK PATTY, THERE'S AN INTENT TO FIX THE BROKEN SYSTEM. YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? IF THERE IS, IS THERE A NEED STILL FOR A RESERVE IF THE FIX IS IMPLEMENTED?

>> THERE'S CONVERSATION GOING ON POTENTIALLY LOBBYING THE LEGISLATURE, IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE FUNDING MODEL.

ULTIMATELY, WHATEVER FUNDING MONEY, THEY WILL HAVE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL PROCESS. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE FLAWS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. I'M NOT OVERLY BULLISH THAT IT WILL GET FIXED ANYTIME SOON. I THINK THAT THE STATE, THE STATE HAS A LOT OF VERY MANY PRESSING ISSUES, COMING UP DURING THE COMING SESSION. AND DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL.

SO WE'LL SEE. IF WE END UP IN A SITUATION, WHERE THE STATE HAS SET UP, PERHAPS A MECHANISM TO HAVE A RESERVE FUND OR MECHANISM FOR US TO BE MORE CONFIDENT ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY DURING A RECESSION, OUR DOWN TURNING I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

THEN WE CAN DISCUSS DISMISSING THE RESERVE FUND AND PUTTING IT

BACK INTO THE GENERAL TREASURY. >> IF YOU COULD KEEP US APPRISED

ON THAT. >> WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, IF THERE IS PROPOSED LEGISLATION, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, TO RESTRUCTURE OR ADDRESS SOME OF THE STRAINS THAT COME DURING A DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY, THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL FOR AT LEAST, WHATEVER BODY IS SITTING HERE AND BODIES SITTING IN THE SEATS WILL BE HELPFUL TO KNOW.

>> ABSOLUTELY, CHAIRMAN. >> MR. MCCORMACK, WHAT WE WILL PROCEED, A RESOLUTION TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD AT SOME FUTURE POINT? HOW DO WE GO FROM HERE?

>> YES, MR. CHAIR, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

THE BOARD MAY BY CONSENSUS OR MOTION DIRECT SO OR IF NOT JUST HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT OCA WILL WORK WITH THE COURT TO

BRING BACK SUCH A RESOLUTION. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD'S SPECIFICITY, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS NOW OR NEED TO DISCUSS NOW? I JUST THINK, WE'LL START OFF, FOR ME, PERSONALLY, A THRESHOLD WHATEVER THE RESIDUALS, WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I THINK WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE

RESOLUTION. >> MR. PATTY.

WE WILL DO THAT WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE, I GUESS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION AS SUCH. I WOULD MOVE THAT

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH,

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. >> WE HAVE ONE CALL-IN

>> NAME AND ADDRESS? >> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRINGING TIN COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE COURT. IT SOUNDS GOOD COMMISSION.

I WANT TO THANK BRANDON PATTY FOR SOMETHING A LIKE THIS.

I HEARD HIM SAY, IT'S THE FIRST OF THE STATE.

I'VE BEEN SOMEONE THAT ALWAYS SUSPECTS MY HEAD.

I BELIEVE THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE HAS BEEN FINANCIALLY ABUSED. I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO WORK OVER THERE, ARE GOOD PEOPLE WHO DESERVE MORE PAY.

I NOTICE THIS IS JUST A RESERVE FUND.

I TELL YOU SOMETHING, COMMISSIONIST.

YOU HAVE CAPACITIES. YOU HAVE THE ELECTED CAPACITY AND MAJORITY OF THE BOARD. THEN YOU HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY AND PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY.

COMMISSIONER, TALKING TO CINDY STEVENS AND TRAVIS HUNCHINS, ABOUT MORE MONEY AND MORE PAY FOR THE GOOD WORKERS OVER THERE.

I WILL TELL YOU. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR BRANDON PATTY TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND SAY ALL THESE THINGS AND THIS SOUNDS REALLY NEAT TO IS A RESERVE. IF THERE'S ANY DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A RAINY DAY FUND, IT'S DEFINITELY THE CLERKS.

ONE LAST THING I WANT TO FINISH, IF ANYONE IS GOING TO THE LINCOLN DINNER, BE AWFULLY CAREFUL OF MATT GATES.

HE'S GOT A HISTORY OF DRUNK DRIVING.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE LIVE AUDIENCE.

GOING ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES. >> PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSURE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE UNLESS THERE'S ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSIONS.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> YES.

>> AND I'LL BE A YES AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT AND PRO ACTIVE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU RETURN

BACK IN REGARD TO OUR TAXPAYERS >> THANK YOU, SIR.

[2. Public Hearing * REZ 2020-12 2695 Dobbs Road Rezoning. ]

>> WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

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ITEM NUMBER TWO IS QUASY ITEM. AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> NONE.

>> I'M NONE AS WELL. GOOD MORNING.

>> KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARGASA STREET.

WITH ME IS KATHY PINNO, BURT HARRIS.

THEY OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. AND CINDY CHAPMAN WHO IS PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

AND I'LL KIND OF RUN THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT QUICKLY.

THIS IS 2695 DOTS ROAD. THE REQUEST, IT'S FOR A HALF ACRE LOT TO REZONE IT FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS AS SHOWN, YOU COULD SEE IT'S A LONG KINGS ESTATE ROAD AND DOBBS ROAD.

WE CAN SEE IT BETTER. THE NORTH SIDE OF KINGS ESTATE.

TO THE NORTH, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. TO THE SOUTH, BASICALLY, THERE'S A CHURCH AND RETENTION FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE DONE TO KINGS ESTATE ROAD. THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS ORIENTED TO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S A NICE DISTANCING BETWEEN THE TWO USES.

THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO THE WEST IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE SAME FOLKS. THE CHURCH AND RETENTION, AS I MENTIONED IS OVER TO THE SOUTH ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THAT'S A NEW RELATIVELY NEW SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AND THERE'S A RAILROAD CROSSING TO THE EAST.

THE AREA IS MIXED USE. THIS IS THE AREA OF THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION. IT GOES TO THE NORTH AND EAST.

RESIDENTIAL ARE TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.

THE CURRENT IS OR. ADJACENT IS OR TO THE WEST.

CW, ACROSS THE STREET, IS RECENT REZONING.

AND OTHER OR TO THE SOUTH. THE REQUEST IS FOR CN, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY INCREASED TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS REALLY MADE THAT A DIFFICULT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND WE CHOSE CN VERSUS ONE OF THE HIGHER CAT GRIES, LIKE CW OR CG, OR ANY OF THOSE, BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND THAT WILL KEEP IT MORE ON THE SCALE.

THIS IS MORE OF A PICTURE, KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE EXISTING HOME FROM DOBBS ROAD. THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEW OF IT. YOU COULD KIND OF SEE THE INTERSECTION. IT SHOWS THE GARAGE THAT'S PART OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT'S TO THE NORTH, SO THIS IS LOOKING, THIS IS ON DOBBS ROAD.

AND THIS IS ON DOBBS ROAD LOOKING SOUTH AND THAT'S THE INDUSTRIAL THAT'S IN THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE OTHER REMAINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET OR TO THE EAST, WHICH IS REZONED TO CW.

AND THIS IS PART OF THE RETENTION SYSTEM THAT'S TO THE SOUTH. WE DID REQUEST AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THE PTA VARIANCE THE VARIANCE WAS TO ALLOW SOME MINIMUM ENCROACHMENTS WITHIN THE SIDE YARD BUFFERS, AND THAT'S TO CONVERT THE HOME INTO USING IT TO THE COMMERCIAL USES.

ONE THING NICE ABOUT THAT IS IT ALLOWS THE SITE TO REMAIN THE SAME SIZE AND SCALE PARTICULARLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT. THIS IS JUST A SITE PLAN.

IT SHOWS YOU 150 FEET ON DOBBS AND 130 ON KINGS ESTATE ROAD.

THE REDOANING CATEGORY CHANGED THE SETBACKS AND IT CHANGED THE BUFFERS. THIS IS CONSIDERED A CORNER LOT SO IT HAS TWO FRONT YARDS AND TWO SIDE YARDS.

THE FRONT YARD ACTUALLY DECREASED AND THE SIDE YARD ACTUALLY DECREASED AS WELL. BUT THE BUFFERS, THERE WAS NO BUFFER BEFORE. SO THE BUFFERS INCREASED TO 20 FEET. THIS SHOWS THAT HOME A LITTLE CLOSER. IT SHOWS THE GARAGE, THE ENTRANCE FROM DOBBS ROAD WHICH WILL REMAIN THE SAME FOR NOW.

AND THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE HOUSE AND GARAGE AND SIDEWALK.

AS YOU GET BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, BASICALLY, WHAT I WAS -- NOT SURE IF THAT'S -- THERE YOU GO.

SORRY COMMISSIONER. THAT WAS AN ENTRANCE.

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THERE'S THE SIDEWALK TO THE HOUSE.

BASICALLY, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE ALONG THAT GENERAL AREA.

AND THE VARIANCE THAT WAS GRANTED ALLOWS FOR SOME ENCROACHMENTS TO BE ABLE TO WIDEN THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS SHOWN ON THE NORTH SIDE AND MAINTAIN A CONCRETE PAD ON THE SIDE FOR A TURN AROUND AND ALSO MAINTAIN THE GARAGE.

AGAIN, THE GARAGE MEETS THE SETBACKS.

IT JUST DOESN'T MEET THE BUFFERS.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO EXPLAIN IT, IF ANYBODY HAD QUESTIONS. SO THE NORTHBOUNDRY THAT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING, ALONG WITH THE 20 FEET, THAT'S REDUCED TO 17 FEET, BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE AISLE.

THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE SAME NORTHBOUNDRY.

AND THAT'S LOOKING BACK AND YOU COULD SEE THE CONCRETE PAD AND THE EDGE OF THE GARAGE. IN HERE, YOU COULD SEE THE BACK OF THE GARAGE AS WELL IN THE CORNER.

THAT IS A VIEW BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THAT, AGAIN, WILL HAVE TO BE IMPROVED WITH THE SAME BUFFER STANDARDS FOR THE 20 FEET, EVEN THOUGH IT ENCROACHES SLIGHTLY INTO IT.

THAT'S THE REMAINDER OF THE BOUNDARY WHICH ALREADY HAS SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION, BUT WILL ALSO HAVE TO MEET THE BUFFERING TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. WE DO FEEL THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. THE ADJACENT LAND USES WILL BE COMPATIBLE EITHER BY USE OR BY BUFFERS.

THERE'S A MIXTURE OF USES IN THE AREA.

IT'S COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, ALONG DOBBS ROAD.

AND THEY'VE BEEN EXISTING FOR QUITE SOME TIME WITH NO DETRIMENT. IT DOES HAVE FRONTAGE ON TWO MAJOR ROADS. IT'S ON A BUSY INTERSECTION AND THERE'S RAILROAD CROSSING IN THE EAST.

THE RESIDENTIAL IS NOT DESIRABLE ANYMORE AND THE COMMERCIAL IS RECENT. AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IT'S REQUESTED BY APPROVAL BY OPA SO WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AM CAN'T'S COMMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DON'T SEE ANY.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. >> MARK ROBINSON, JUST A QUICK NOTE, THE VARIANCE WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. FOR THE RECORD, ZONING, WILL BE HELD IN ADVANCE, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE

KIND OF PROCEDURE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MS. TAYLOR.

APPRECIATE IT. WITH NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, WE'LL PROCEED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM TWO.

SEEING WE HAVE NONE, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT.

>> READY TO MAKE A MOTION. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE

2020-48. >> APPROVING 2020-12.

2695 DOBBS ROAD REZONING. REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.5 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. BASED ON FOREFINDINGS

>> AND MOTION BY WALDRON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

ANY DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL. START WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> YES. >> I'M A YES AS WELL AND WE'LL WAIT JUST A MINUTE FOR COMMISSIONER DEAN TO COME BACK.

CONGRATULATIONS, IT WILL PASS. NO, SIR, I'M WAITING FOR YOU.

COMMISSIONER DEAN IS YES AS WELL.

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IT PASSES, 5-0. >>> MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM

[3. VACROA 2020-02 Crestview ROW Stub-out Vacation and Grant of Easement. ]

NUMBER 3. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, MR. WILLIAMS. GOOD MORNING, SIR.

>> MY NAME IS JUSTIN WILLIAMS, ENGINEER WITH CONELLY WICKER, 6610 SKINNER LAKE DRIVE, 32246. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT FOR THE RIGHTWAY RELEASE, AND THE REQUEST WE GOT IS TO RELEASE TWO DRIVEWAY APRONS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED MANY YEARS AGO AND IN ANTICIPATION OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NO LONGER GOING TO OCCUR.

THE TOTAL ACREAGE THAT'S ASKING TO BE RELEASED IS 0.09 ACRES.

THERE'S A 0.04 ACRES, WHICH IS ONE IN THE NORTH IN THE END OF PARKWAY DRIVE AND 0.5 ACRES AT THE END OF HARBOR DRIVE.

AND WE'VE CONTACTED UTILITY DEPARTMENTS, GOTTEN THEIR APPROVAL. THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

AND ONE THAT'S GOT UTILITY IN THE AREA, JDA IS ABOUT TO APPROVE OUR PLANS AS WELL. THE DRIVEWAY APRONS CURRENTLY HAVE SIDEWALK AND THEY HAVE PAVEMENT, SO PART OF THE APPLICATION IS ALSO FOR APPROVAL OF AN EASEMENT THAT WILL BE IN PLACE UNTIL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED THERE ARE DONE. AND SO THAT THE COUNTY WILL HAVE MAINTENANCE RIGHTS, IF THAT IS NEEDED.

AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILLIAMS? >> ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE. WE'LL PROCEED TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ANY CALL-INS.

SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AND NO PUBLIC COMMENT, NOW CLOSED, THIS IS DISTRICT FOUR. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, WOULD YOU

LIKE TO MOVE IT? >> I WILL, IF I COULD HAVE

STAFF, I MOVE -- I'LL BE GLAD. >> I'LL BE GLAD TO READ IT FOR

YOU. >> YES, IF YOU COULD DO THAT, I

WOULD APPRECIATE. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE

2020. >> I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE

RESOLUTION. >> SHE BELIEVES IT SHOULD BE

RESOLUTION. >> 393.

>> RESOLUTION, LET ME WRITE THAT IN MY NOTES.

>> ITEM 3 SHOULD BE RESOLUTION 2020---

>> 393? >> YES, SIR

>> MOTION TO ENACT RESOLUTION 2020-393 AND THEN I HAVE -- I'M ON THE WRONG ONE, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, YOU'VE BEEN BETTER. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020-393 APPROVING VACATION OUTPUT BCR WAY, CREST VIEW ORW, PETITION TO EXISTING STUBOUT DRIVE, ACCEPTING GRANT OF TEMPORARY EASEMENT ON BEHALF OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

THAT BE MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, DO I HAVE A SECOND.

>> MOTION BY BLOCKER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

ANY DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL

>> I'LL BE A YES AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS.

[4. Public Hearing * CDD 2020-02 Stillwater CDD request to establish the Stillwater Community Development District (CDD). ]

HAVE A GOOD DAY. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. PRESENTER IS WES HABAR.

>> MR. CHAIR, THIS IS NOT A CAUSAL DISMISSAL.

THE BOARD WILL CERTAINLY DISCLOSE, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, SIR

>> GOOD MORNING.. I AM WEST HABER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HOPPING GREEN AND SAMS. AND WITH RESPECT TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STILL WATER CDD.

I HAVE WITH ME REPRESENTATIVE PETITIONER SCOTT KILLING AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DISTRICT MANAGER, IF THE DISTRICT IS TO BE ESTABLISHED, CRAIG WITHAL, HUNT ASSOCIATES, WHO ALSO HELP PREPARE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE PETITION.

WHAT IS -- THERE'S A POWER POINT PRESENTATION THAEEN PRE PREPARED.

AND I GOT THE REMOTE. THE CDD ITSELF, AS I MENTIONED, CALLED THE STILLWATER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

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IT'S 728.78 ACRES. AND IN ADDITION TO SEEKING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CDD, CHAPTER 190, HAS CERTAIN AUTHORITY THAT COULD BE GRANTED TO CDD, BUT YOU NEED SPECIAL CONSENT FROM THE COUNTY. WE'RE SEEKING TWO OF THOSE, NAMELY SECURITY AND RECREATION, DESCRIBED FULLY IN THE SLIDE, WITH RESPECT TO SECURITY, GATES AND ET CETERA.

THE ORDINANCE THAT IS CONSIDERED FOR ADOPTION, IS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES THE TWO POWERS. THIS IS AN OUTLINE OF THE PRESENTATION. WE TALK ABOUT THE PROCESSES A BIT, SOME OF THE MAPS AND FOUNDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS.

I'LL MOVE ON. THE CDD IS BEING SOUGHT UNDER CHAPTDER 90, AS WELL AS 0.500. CITY IS A LOCAL UNIT OF GOVERNMENT. I'LL NOTE IT'S INDEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT FROM THE COUNTY. THERE'S CERTAIN RECORDING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE COUNTY. WE PROVIDE A COPY OF OUR BUDGET, THINGS OF THOSE LINES. ANY COSTS OF THE CDD ARE FOREIGN BY THE LAND OWNERS BY THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CDD.

THOSE COSTS ARE NOT SHIFTED BY THE COUNTY.

THE CDD HAS NOTED BY STABLE LONG-TERM MECHANISM TO MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND AMENITIES IN LARGE PART, THAT IS, CDD'S OFTEN HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL AND TAX COLLECTOR. CDD'S ASSESSMENT IS COLLECTED AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT'S A STABLE WAY TO COLLECT REVENUE TO MAINTAIN THE IMPROVEMENTS AND FUND THE IMPROVEMENTS. IMPORTANTLY, CDD DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO ADOPT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, BUILDING CODE, LAND DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE POWERS MUST COMPLY WITH COUNTY LAWS.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN INDEPENDENT UNIT OF GOVERNMENT, THE INDEPENDENT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CDD IS STILL GOING TO BE GOVERNED BY THE COUNTY. THIS IS A MAP WHERE THE CDD IS LOCATED. IT'S OFF COUNTY 210, WEST OF ST.

JOHN'S PARKWAY AND IT'S ENTIRELY OF THE COUNTY.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW A MORE FULL VIEW OF THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE CDD. THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE LAND USE MAP FOR THE CDD AND THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS DESIGNATED WITH A RESIDENTIAL FEE AND IT'S LARGELY SURROUNDED BY THE SAME RESIGNATION, RESIDENTIAL B. AND THE ZONING, ITSELF IS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS SLIDE HAS BEEN UPDATED.

SINCE PREPARING THE PRESENTATION, PREPARING IT FOR THE COUNTY, THE DISTRICT SUBMITTED AND UPDATED VERSION OF THE PETITION, WHICH INCLUDED WITH THE INCLUDEMENTS, WERE ADDED, CERTAIN ROADWAYS. NAMELY, VETERANS ROAD PARKWAY, AND COUNTY ROAD 210 IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCREASED THE ESTIMATE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE AMOUNT YOU SEE THERE, TO $21,055,094.99. AND WE WANTED TO NOTE CERTAIN OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH IMPACT FEE CREDIBLE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND NAMELY, THE ENTITY THAT PAYS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, WOULD BE ENTITLED TO IMPACT FEE CREDITS.

CURRENTLY, THE 51 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS, ARE THE COPE OF IMPROVEMENTS THE CITY CONSTRUCTS.

AND IN WHICH CASE THE DEVELOPER WILL, TO THE EXTENT THE DEVELOPER FUNDS, AND THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE THE PARTY THAT WOULD RECEIVE THE IMPACT OF THE CREDITS TO THE EXTENT THE DISTRICT IMPACT CREDIT IMPROVEMENTS, THE CREDITS WOULD GO TO THE DISTRICT AND INSTEAD OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE BENEFIT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS, ALL WHICH WERE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

. >> MOVING ON THE CDD AND THE PETITION, DOESN'T OBLIGATE THE COUNTY OF ANY MAINTENANCE TO ANY INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT'S NOTED THAT COUNTY'S ACCEPTANCE IS BY ACTION OF THE COUNTY BOARD AND SO, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT DOESN'T OBLIGATE THE COUNTY IN ANY WAY TO OWNERSHIP OR MAINTENANCE OF ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THE PETITION.

SO CHAPTER 190, ESTABLISHING SIX FACTORS THAT NEED TO BE SHOWN, IN ORDER TO HAVE A CDD ESTABLISHED.

THEY ARE LISTED IN THE SLIDE AND NEXT ONE.

THEY ARE, TO WHETHER ALL STATEMENTS HAVE BEEN TRUE OR

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CORRECT. PORTION OF THE STATE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, EFFECTIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHETHER THE AREA OF PLAN, WITH THE PROPOSED DISTRICT, EFFICIENTLY CONCISE, AND ONE FUNCTIONAL INTEGRATED COMMUNITY, WHETHER THE DISTRICT IS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE AVAILABLE FOR DELIVERING THE FACILITIES TO THE AREA. WHETHER THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND FACILITIES OF THE DISTRICT WILL BE INCOMPATIBLE, WITH EXISTS AND LOKLE AN AND REGIONAL FACILITIES, AND WHETHER THE AREA WILL BE SERVED BY THE DISTRICT IS, TO SPECIAL DISTRICT GOVERNMENT. I DON'T INTEND TO GOING TO TREMENDOUS DETAIL ON ALL SIX. I WILL HIGHLIGHT IN THE NEXT SLIDE, PREFILE TESTIMONY OF THREE INDIVIDUALS.

SCOTT KEELING, RESIDENT OF THE COMMISSIONER.

CRAIG WRATHAL, DISTRICT MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTANT.

AND ALEX DECREE, THAT WILL SERVE AS THE DISTRICT ENGINEER.

THIS CHART HIGHLIGHTS WHICH OF THE CRITERIA ARE ADDRESSED IN THE TESTIMONY AND IT'S THE PETITION'S PETITION, FOR THE VALUED ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE DISTRICT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

IN ADDITION TO MEETING THE CRITERIA, WE ALSO PROVIDED WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE LAND OWNER, 100 PERCENT OF THE LAND, WITHIN THE BOUNDRIES OF THE DISTRICT WHICH IS ALSO REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE. THIS HEARING WAS NOTICED PRIOR FOUR WEEKS OF CONSECUTIVE NOTICE WITH MATT, ET CETERA AND THAT WAS DONE AND WE HAVE THE AFFIDAVITS FOR THE NOTICE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE BELIEVE WE'VE ESTABLISHED THE ESTABLISHEDMENT OF THE DISTRICT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER

QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> THE OVERHEAD OF THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE REFERENCED MORE THAN $16 MILLION. I MISSED, SEVERAL TIMES YOU REFERENCED $21 MILLION. IS THAT INFLATION?

>> SUBSEQUENT TO THE PREPARATION OF THE SLIDE SHOW AND AMENDMENT, SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY, WHICH HAD SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS, NAMELY, VETERANS PARKWAY NORTH, VETERANS COUNTY SOUTH.

IT'S ADDITION OF THE TWO IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH RAISED THE

$16 MILLION TO THE $21 MILLION. >> THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHAT I MISSED. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

MR. HABER. >> MR. HABER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK. THE COUNTY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO THE DEBT WITHIN THE CDD. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY FAILURES OF THE CDD STATEWIDE WHICH THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN.

>> IF THE ASSESSMENT IS NOT PAID, THE DISTRICT CLOSES ON THE PROPERTY. THE BOND HOLDERS, UNDERSTAND

THAT'S THE RISK THEY ARE TAKING. >> AND THEY'VE BEEN FAILURES, BUT THE COUNTY IS NOT LIABLE. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE AROUND THE STATE. THERE HAVE BEEN FAILURES PARTICULARLY IN THE RUN-UP IN THE EARLY 2000.

>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THERE HASN'T BEEN FAILURES.

>> THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION, BUT I APPRECIATE IT AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE'RE NOW CLOSED. GO TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT 2020-.

>> 49. >> 49.

APPROVING 2020-02. STILLWATER DISTRICT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS, SECOND TO COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE, PROCEED THE ROLL CALL.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> YES.

>> I'LL BE A YES AS WELL. THANK YOU.

[5. Consider appointments to the Recreation Advisory Board. ]

>> MOVING ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WILL LUNDQUIST WILL BE PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ADVISORY BOARD.

GOOD MORNING.. >> MELISSA LUNDQUIST, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. APPOINTMENTS TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO VACANCIES.

THEY ARE DUE TO RESIGNATION. RESIGNATION OF BO BROWN AND AL QUIDO. THESE BEEN ADVERTISED TO A FOUR WEEK SPAN. WE DID RECEIVE TWO APPLICATION.

I DID MENTION, MS. JILLIAN SUBMITTED HER APPLICATION ON THE LAST DAY, BUT HER APPLICATION WAS INTENDED FOR HER

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REAPPOINTMENT REQUEST WHEN HER TERM EXPIRES NOVEMBER 13TH.

WE HAVE NOT ADD VERT ADVERTISED HER VACANCY.

AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT. IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY.

>> AND THERE WAS RESIGNATION, THAT SHE WOULD REAPPLY.

THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LUNDQUIST.

SEEING NONE. WE'LL PROCEED WITH PUBLIC

COMMENT >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5, APPOINTMENT FOR THE RECREATIONAL ADVISEMENT COMMITTEE.

NO CALLINS. NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON, THIS IS ONE YOU SIT ON.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MARTY BEACHAM, FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE, NOVEMBER 13TH, 2024.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> ROLL CALL.

>> I'LL BE A YES AS WELL. >> MAKE A MOTION HAROLD DAWKINSED TO RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD FOR PARTIAL TERM SCHEDULED

TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 15TH, 2022 >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> SEEING NONE, PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> YES. >> I'LL BE A YES AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH NO OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD IN RECORD TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, WE'LL NOW

[Reports]

PROCEED TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> FIRST, I'M SURE I SPEAK FOR ALL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

IT'S SO WONDERFUL TO HAVE COMMISSIONER WALDRON BACK IN PERSON. HE LOOKS SO GOOD AND SOUNDS SO GOOD. WE COULDN'T BE HAPPIER.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO MENTION I WAS INVITED TO THIS COMING FRIDAY, BEEN INVITED TO JOIN TED MURPHY OF THE COURT AND CONGRESSMAN DAN RUTHERFORD, TO DO SITE VISIT AT THE CURRENT BEACH RECREATION SITE.

CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD HAS BEEN AN ARDENT SUPPORTERS IF YOU REMEMBER THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR $36 MILLION THAT REALLY KICKED THE PROJECT OFF. I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ANYWHERE WITHOUT THAT. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN, THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST SAND RIDGE BARGE, IT'S THE OHIO.

IT'S SITTING OFF THE BRIDGE AND INLET.

YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE INLET. GO OUT AND SEE IT.

IT'S PUMPI ING DREDGING AWAY. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT? >> I WANT TO REITERATE, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN PERSON VERY SOON.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE MR. BLOCKER

>> NO, SIR >> WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU

BACK AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, SIR

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE MY DAUGHTER KATIE AND HUSBAND DREW.

SHE GAVE BIRTH TO BABY. I DON'T HAVE THE SIZE.

THIS MORNING BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED.

FORTUNATELY, WITH THE REGULATIONS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN I'LL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THEM.

I LOOK FORWARD TO COMING HOME IN A FEW DAYS.

I WILL ALSO WISH MY MOTHER HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

I WON'T GIVE HER AGE. AND I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR THOUGHTS, PRAYERS AND CONTINUED SUPPORT THROUGH MY ILLNESS AND, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD.

I STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO IN GETTING STRONGER AND I WORK HARD. I WANT TO THANK MY WIFE, FAMILY FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE FOR ME.

WHILE IN THE HOSPITAL, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF GOING BACK.

WE DID GET TO ENJOY OUR 22ND ANNIVERSARY.

IT'S KIND OF GOOD THING. WHEN YOU TAKE A VOW OF SICKNESS AND HEALTH, AND WE'VE DEFINITELY BEEN ON THE SICKNESS SIDE THAN

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IN THE HEALTHY SIDE. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT

SHE'S DONE. >> STEPHANIE.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE. IT'S A BLESSING.

>> MR. JOHNS. >> WELCOME BACK, COMMISSIONER WALDRON. GLAD TO HAVE YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

I WOULD LIKE A FEW THINGS. PLANINGS, CONTINUES AND HASTINGS, TURNIPS, COL LARDS AND CALE.

SWEET POTATOES, GETTING CLOSE TO MATURITY.

IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO THANKSGIVING.

I KNOW HAY PRODUCERS ARE GETTING TO GET COASTAL, BERMUDA, DRIED, BAILED AND IN THE BARN. AND STILL, UF FERTILIZER, COMMUNICATION, IS MONUMENT AT CONCERN.

DR. SCOTT ANGLE, VICE PRESIDENT OF, NATURAL RESOURCES MADE THIS ADDRESS A STRONG PRIORITY AND I'VE HEARD REINFORCEMENT OF THAT STATEWIDE. I APPRECIATE HIS EFFORTS.

I WAS GOING TO ANNOUNCE, MS. ANDREWS, IS THURSDAY STILL ON? THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22ND, MS. ANDREWS AND MS. FLETCHER SCHEDULED A ROUND TABLE, FOR ECONOMIC STABILITY, VIABILITY AND GROWTH, ST. JOHN'S AG CENTER AT 2:00, FARMERS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, CRACKER DAY, FROM MY OBSERVATION WAS AN ENORMOUS SUCCESS.

IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY. LOTS OF PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, AND SEEM TO BE ENJOYING THEMSELVES IN THE SUNSHINE AND ENJOYING SOME TRADITIONAL GAMES AMONGSTS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE HORSE COMMUNITY, BARREL RACING AND ALL THAT EXCITING STUFF.

AND I BELIEVE THEY BROKE THEIR PREVIOUS RECORD ON SATURDAY, OVER 10,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED PSYCH'S CROP MAZE.

FOLKS, YOU JUST WANT TO GET OUT AND HAVE SOME FUN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, EARLY VOTING HAS BEGUN.

ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO GET OUT AND VOTE.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO START YESTERDAY.

CONTINUE AT 8:00, IN ALL LOCATIONS.

LOCATIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE SUPERVISOR OF ADVISERS WEBSITE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, CONGRATULATIONS COMMISSIONER WALDRON TO BEING A GRANDDADDY AGAIN.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE BABY. LIKEWISE, WHAT WAS IT? OH, MAN. THAT'S PERFECT.

>> 20 INCHES LONG. ABSOLUTELY.

7 POUNDS, 10 INCHES. DO WE HAVE A NAME?

>> ANOTHER SMITH IN THE WORLD, CAN'T GET ANY BETTER.

ANOTHER SMITH. AMEN.

GOD SAYS, BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLIED AND WE OBEYED.

>> PROBABLY WILL BE A GATOR >> PROBABLY BE A GATOR, TOO.

IF YOU'RE NOT A GATOR, YOU'RE GATOR BAKED.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE FAMILY. GETTING HIM HERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR GOD'S MERCY AND HEALING YOU.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR GOD TO STRENGTHEN YOU.

HE'S DEFINITELY GIVEN YOU A GOOD MIND AND VOICE AND THANK YOU FOR THE REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE YOU SO VERY ADEQUATELY DO.

AND WE LOVE YOU AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK.

>> YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> I FORGOT TO BRING UP.

I'D LIKE THE STAFF, LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO TO SEND, AND I FORGET WHAT THE ACTUAL NAME AND STATE, COMMISSION THAT HANDLES UTILITY IT IS. THE FEE DAY, HAVE THE SAME ANOTHER, MRS. BADGER WAS TALKING ABOUT.

>> PSC. >> PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION.

IT'S KIND OF A BAD TIME TO PUT AN EXTRA FEE TO CUSTOMERS.

MAYBE WE SHOULD SAY THAT IN A LETTER.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO LET THEM KNOW.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO OUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR DISTRICT IS IN OUR AREA. IT MAY BE GOOD TO FIND OUT.

>> YOU MEAN FROM FPML? >> NO, NOT FPML BUT PUBLIC

SERVICE. >> I DON'T KNOW THE PSA MEMBERS

ANY MORE. >> THIS IS A BAD TIME REALLY TO

ADD A FEE. >> I SUPPORT SOME TYPE OF LETTER. AND I'LL TELL YOU, THEY TERMED THE ONES THAT GO TO MY HOUSE. WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THIS NOTICE. THIS IS SOMETHING, IF WE HAVE

THE STAFF WORKING. >> IS THAT A DIRECT MEMBER,

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COMMISSIONER DEAN FAVORABLE, COMMISSIONER JOHNS IS FAVORABLE,

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES, SIR, I'M FAVORABLE AS

WELL. >> WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

>> AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. >> YES, SIR

>> DO WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTIVE IN REGARD TO ADMINISTRATION?

>> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S COMMENTS, I THINK WHAT WITH WILL DO IF IT MEETS THE STANDARD OF THE BOARD, WE WILL FIND OUT WHO THE LETTER IS DIRECTED. IF THERE'S A CONTACT THERE RELATED TO INCREASED IN FEES, WE CAN BRING IT TO THE BOARD.

IT'S A QUICK TURN AROUND. AND BRING IT PROBABLY TO COME FROM THE CHAIR, UNLESS YOU WANT IT TO COME TO STAFF.

WE'LL GET THAT CONTACT, GET IT TURNED AROUND IMMEDIATELY AND

WE'LL HAVE IT BY NEXT TUESDAY. >> VERY GOOD.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE FPML ITEM. PROPOSED LETTER

>> SEEING NONE. >> VERY GOOD.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, ADMINISTRATION?

>> YES, SIR, FEW THINGS FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS MORNING. FIRST OF ALL, YOU RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM MYSELF, RELATED TO HIRING A GROSS MANAGEMENT.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR ABOUT A YEAR. MR. ROBINSON HAS FILLED IN ADEQUATELY AND PROFESSIONALLY. DURING THAT TIME WE'VE REACHED AN APPLICANT WE WOULD LIKE TO HIRE.

YOU SHOULD HAVE HIS RESUME. HIS NAME IS MR. FOREST COTTON AND PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN. ALTHOUGH HE'S NOT BEEN HERE IN PERSON, HE'S WAITING BEFORE HE SIGNS ANY LEASES.

WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH HIM PENDING BOARD APPROVAL.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION? ANYBODY HAVE TIME TO REVIEW HIS APPLICATION?

ANY QUESTIONS? >> ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL VOTE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED HIRING OF OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR?

>> GOOD MORNING.. CJ CLATY, 1680 WEST AUGUST CITIZEN. .

>> YOU ALL GOT THE E-MAIL. I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GET AN ANSWER TO THIS ONE. WHENEVER WE HIRE PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF NEGOTIATING GOING ON. IS ANYONE IN YOUR E-MAIL OR ANYONE KNOW HOW MUCH THIS PERSON IS GOING TO RECEIVE AS HIS SALARY? I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE AS TAXPAYERS WILL BE PAYING FOR, HIS QUALIFICATIONS, I'M SURE WE'LL BE LOOKING INTO THAT.

I'M GLAD, THEY HAVE MADE A DECISION.

WE HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHO IS GETTING IT.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT JOB ESPECIALLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ESPECIALLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NONE, WE'RE DONE. >> ALL RIGHT.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

OWNER TAKE A MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE THE HIRING OF THE GROWTH DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY DEAN.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCK? >> YES.

>> I'LL BE A YES AS WELL >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

A COUPLE OF MORE THINGS. AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, A FEW YEARS AGO, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, IS DISCUSSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT WITHIN THE CITY.

THAT DISCUSSION IS KIND OF PICKED UP AGAIN, PRELIMINARILY.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, IS SEEK BOARD APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DISCUSSION. THIS IS A SITE THAT'S PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED BY HUD, REMAINED BY THE CITY AND COUNTY AS A HIGHLY DESIRABLE LOCATION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

MOST OF YOU KNOW, IT'S THE BARGE PIT, AND THERE'S 80 ACRES.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF STEPS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

IT NEEDSES TO BE DONE PRETTY QUICKLY IN ORDER FOR THE LAND TO BE CONVEYED, FOR THERE TO BE CLEARING THE MINERAL RIGHTS, DUE DILIGENCE, ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE.

WE WOULD LIKE CONSENSUS AND DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.

IF THE BOARD, IS AMEANABLE TO. AND CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD TO BRING BACK TO THE BOARD AT A LATER DATE.

>> THERE WILL BE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP THE

PROPERTY. >> THE FUNDING IS ALREADY

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ALLOCATED TO THE COUNTY. >> VERY GOOD.

>> I STRONGLY SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD.

WE CERTAINLY NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GIVEN THE

SITUATION. >> I TAKE IT AS A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, GOING FORWARD, WITH ACQUISITION OF 80 ACRES, IN THE CITY OF CITY OF AUGUST CITIZEN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SEEING NONE.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE, PROCEED A ROLL CALL.

VOTE COMMISSIONER DEAN RJTS YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALD RORN?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> YES. >> AND I'M A YES AS WELL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN >> AND ONE MORE THING.

THERE'S A QUESTION INQUIRY FROM THE COMMISSIONERS RELATED TO GOLF COURSE FEE. MS. ANDREWS IS HERE TO GIVE AN UPDATE AND POTENTIALLY BRING A CONSENSUS ITEM FOR THE BOARD FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS. SHE WILL BRIEF YOU ON WHAT

OCCURRED AND BRIEF YOU ALSO. >> AND THIS ITEM IS RELATED TO THE SINGLE RIDER FEE LEVEED BY THE BOARD TO OUR GOLF PLAYERS AT THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY GOLF COURSE.

DURING GOVERNOR'S PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, MULTIPLE RIDER OPTION WAS TAKEN AWAY. IT BECAME UNAVAILABLE.

THE STAFF WAVED THE FEE, WHICH IS $10 PER RIDE.

IT BECAME REALLY NOT AMICABLE -- APPLYICABLE OPTION.

NOW WE'RE ENTERING PHASE THREE. SO WE NEED THE BOARD'S ACTION, WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WAIVE THE FEE FOR SINGLE RIDER FOR THE $10 SO THAT THE RIDERS WERE NOT FEELING COMPELLED TO WEAR MASK AND SOCIAL DISTANCING.

MULTI-RIDERS IS BACK BASED ON THE CDC GUIDELINES.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE BOARD? I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO PROVIDE A WAIVER OF FEE FOR SINGLE OCCUPANTS. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN OUT SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST MONTH TO THE COUNTY COURSE AND MOST GOLFERS ARE DOUBLING UP IN CARTS WITH OR WITHOUT MASKS.

I THINK THAT'S FINE. I'M RIDING TWO TO A CART, MYSELF

WITH MR. ED. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE, IS IF THEY HAVE UNDERLYING FACTORS, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO WAIVE THAT?

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S AN ISSUE, I WOULD CERTAINLY MY CONDITION, TO WAIVE THE FEE FOR SOMEONE WITH SERIOUS

-- >> I DON'T WANT TO GET -- ONE OF THE E-MAILS I GOT. THE GENTLEMAN, I THINK, WAS 82-YEAR-OLD, HAD A LOT OF UNDERLYING FACTORS.

IT'S KIND OF TOUGH. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PHASE 3, IT'S STILL THERE. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

>> WELL, IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DELEGATE, YOU KNOW, TO EITHER MR. TUCKER OR HIS ASSISTANT, TO SOMEONE VERIFY, IF SOMEONE HAS SOME UNDERLYING SERIOUS CONDITION AND NEEDS TO HAVE A SINGLE CART, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE PRO ON DUTY OR REQUEST TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

>> I USED TO PLAY A LOT OF GOLF. I WOULDN'T WANT TO PLAY BY MYSELF. IT'S LIKE GOING FISHING OR

HUNTING. >> THE WAY I PLAY, I ALMOST

PREFER TO PLAY BY MYSELF. >> MR. MCCORMACK.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF COMMISSIONER WALDRON OPTION IS USED, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE JUST SOME DOCUMENTATION LIKE A DOCTOR'S NOTE TO AVOID PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF GOLF

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COURSE STAFF IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO WEIGH HEALTH CLAIM-TYPE OF THING. THAT MAY BE A GOOD WAY TO DO IT.

THERE'S DOCUMENTATION, WON'T SEEM TO ME, ANY DOCTOR'S NOTE, WOULD HAVE TO DESCRIBE THE ACTUAL CONDITION BUT JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS PERSON, YOU KNOW, PLAYS SINGLY OR GOLF CART SINGLY. THANK YOU.

. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY, MYSELF. WHATEVER YOU ALL THINK.

>> FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, IS IT EASY TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF RESTRICTION OR ADDITION, BEING A PROBLEM?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PROBLEM TO EXERCISE DISCRETION

FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? >> DO WE KNOW HOW MANY SINGLE

RIDERS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION

BUT I COULD PROVIDE THAT LATER. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE MR. KNITTEL IS COMING UP.

FROM I HEAR FROM THE BOARD, WE WILL LEAVE THE FEE AS BEING INTRODUCED, UNLESS THE BOARD HAS DISCRETIONARY -- AND AS WE MOVE IN TO PHASE 3 AND IF SOMEONE LIKE THE GENTLEMAN, COMMISSIONER WALDRON, LOOK, I HAVE AN UNDERLYING COMMISSION, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO RIDE. AT THAT POINT, MR. TUCKER, WE'RE FINE IN WAIVING THE SINGLE RIDE OR FEE.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE BOARD?

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. >> I HAVE NO PREFAS.

MR. MATTEL, YOU COULD GIVE US MORE YOU IN SIGHT.

>> IN PHASE TWO, HE FEELS IT WAS ABOUT 90 AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE

ABOUT 75 PERCENT. >> 75 PERCENT IN SINGLE, WIN

RIDER PER CART? >> YES, SIR.

HE'S CARVING ABOUT ONE FOR EVERY THREE IN TEA TIMES TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL CART USE.

SO WE'RE HAVING LIMITED PLAY RIGHT NOW

>> YES, SIR. IT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE GOLF TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. ONE HAND, WE WANT OUR GOLFERS TO BE AS SAFE AS WE CAN. IT LIMITS OUR FOLKS ABILITY TO PLAY GOLF AT THIS POINT, AS WELL, AS THE CONCERN FINANCIALLY, SINCE THIS IS A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND, THAT WE WILL WEAR OUR CARTS OUT PREMATURELY.

WE WILL PROBABLY BUY BATTEDRIES IN YEAR THREE BEFORE THE FOUR

YEAR WARRANTY IS OUT ON THESE. >> THAT'S BIG NUMBER.

>> IT IS. I'M GOING ON THE MY ANECDOTAL VISITS, WHICH IS TWICE A MONTH PROBABLY.

I COULD HAVE SWORN IT WAS KIND OF LIKE PROBABLY 3-1.

3 BEING, AND EACH CART IS OPPOSED TO ONE.

THAT'S WHAT MY EYES, REPORTING. I'M LITTLE SURPRISED, CURRENTLY, 75 PERCENT OF THE CARTS ARE ONLY OCCUPIED BY ONE PERSON.

>> IS THERE AN ESTIMATE HOW MANY WOULD HAVE AN UNDERLYING CONDITION THAT MAY NEED THAT KIND OF SINGLE LARLY USE OF THE

CART >> NO, SIR, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A GOOD FEEL FOR THAT. THE OPTION YOU DISCUSSED, IS REASONABLE. IT'S EASY FOR TO GET A DOCTOR'S NOTE, THERE'S AN UNDERLYING NOTE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN LOOK AT CHARGE.

AND TIP, EVERYBODY ASSUMED WE'RE BACK TO NORMAL BUT WE'RE NOT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE NUMBERS. THEY ARE VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

WHAT'S THE DESIRED BOARD, LOOKING TO?

>> I STILL THINK, WE'RE AT A POINT, TO ME, MY OBSERVATION, THEIR END, AT ANOTHER COURSE I PLAY, IT'S TWO TO A CART.

I THINK FRANKLY, IF THAT NUMBER IS THAT HIGH AND THERE'S INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO STILL, YOU KNOW RIDE SINGULARLY IN A CART, BASICALLY NEED TO PAY THE CART FEES.

UNLESS THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE TO THE GOLF MANAGEMENT, GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT, THEY HAVE AN UNDERLYING CONDITION.

>> DO WE WANT TO PUT AN END TO THAT.

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SHOULD WE PICK THREE IN THE FIRST OF THE YEAR AND REVISIT

IT. >> THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO

REVISIT, I THINK. >> SO MAYBE WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT TO THE 1ST OF THE YEAR, TO HAVE AN UNDERLYING FACTOR AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT WITH COVID AND KIND OF GET THE NUMBERS.

I HATE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY. YOU GO TO A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE.

THEY HAVE AN OPEN TIME THEY EXPECT TO PLAY.

EVERYBODY AGREE. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'SWISE.

>> YOU HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION, MR. CONELLY?

>> YES, SIR >> PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE GOLF COURSE CART USE?

NONE. >> ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED, WE'RE BACK TO COMMENTS.

ANYTHING ELSE MR. CONWAY. >> AND I WANT TO THANK MARK ROBERTSON, WHO FILLED IN AS GROWTH DIRECTOR, IN THE LAST YEAR. HE'S DONE IT WILLINGLY AND DONE A GREAT JOB. TO ECHO THE COMMUNITY OF THE BOARD, WE'RE THANKFUL TO THE LORD HE'S HEALED YOU.

WELCOME BACK. CONGRATULATIONS, FOR BEING GRAND

FATHER AGAIN. >> MR. MCCORMACK.

I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME DREW EDWARD SMITH INTO THE WORLD.

AND OBVIOUSLY, COMMISSIONER WALDRON BACK.

DREW EDWARD SMITH IS BEING BORN INTO A TOUGH CLAN.

THEY ARE RESILLIENT. THEY ARE IN FOR THE LONG-TERM AND I CONGRATULATE THE FAMILY. MR. CHAIR, THERE'S BEEN A CONSTITUENT THAT I THINK THAT HAS MADE A REQUEST TO LOOK AT THE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR POSSIBLE REVISION FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING A LONGSTANDING MANUFACTURING ACTIVITY, PARTICULARLY IN THE CASE INVOLVING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY PRODUCTS FOR THEM.

THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS U.S.-1 NORTH OF THE AIRPORT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT THE ISSUE. WE THINK THAT NOISE ORDINANCE COULD BE REVISED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING THIS PARTICULAR ACT ACTIVITY.

WE CAN LOOK AT UP WITH OF THE GENERAL PREMISE OF PROTECTING MANUFACTURING FROM ENCROACHING, SAY, RESIDENTIAL USE.

WHAT I WOULD REQUEST FROM THE BOARD TODAY, IS JUST AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TO WORK WITH STAFF, TO BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION IN A PROPOSED REVISION, TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE, GIVEN THE DESCRIPTION. THANK YOU.

>> ANY DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD, OR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. WAKER, I BELIEVE IN MY DISTRICT, I HAVE

RECOMMENDATION >> ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING NOISE ORDI ORDINANCE.

>> BJ CLATY, ST. AUGUSTINE. NOISE, SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM EVERYWHERE WE GO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BUSINESS THIS IS IN NORTH CITY. AND IT WILL BE BROUGHT OUT IN THE NEXT TIME, BUT THE COUNTY DID A NOISE ORDINANCE AND IT WAS AUDIBLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AUDIBLE PARTS STAYS. IF WE ARE GOING TO GET EXCEPTIONS FOR MANUFACTURERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A REAL PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE TO DO THAT.

IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, IF THE COUNTY COULD ENFORCE AUDIBLE. I DIGRESS ON THAT AND USING METERS AND WHO WILL GO OUT AND CHECK ON THIS, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THIS KIND OF THING. I WOULD ASK THAT WHEN THIS IS

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WRITTEN UP, IT'S CAREFULLY WRITTEN.

NOISE SEEMS TO BE INCREASEING NT JUST FROM BUSINESSES, BUT DIFFERENT KIND OF ESTABLISHMENTS AND NOW THAT WE'RE IN NUMBER 3 PHASE, THINGS ARE OPENING UP AND THERE IS A NOISE ISSUE.

SO THE AUDIBLE PART, I WOULD HOPE WOULD SAY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD STAY, IF YOU WANT TO REWRITE IT FOR WHATEVER THIS BUSINESS IS UP ON U.S. 1 NORTH. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HAS CONQUERED.

I WILL TAKE THAT, WITH STAFF LOOKING INTO THE AMENDMENT TO

THE NOISE ORDINANCE. >> I'LL SECOND THAT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING I THINK PATRICK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DRAFT A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WILL PRESENT TO US ON WHAT WOULD BE A FIRST READING

>> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. ANY ORDINANCE LIKE THAT WOULD NORMALLY REQUIRE TWO READINGS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.

>> SECOND THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

DID I SUMMARIZE YOU CORRECTLY, GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO

CREDIT CARD ME? >> YES, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THANK YOU.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY DISCUSSION.

WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH A ROLL CALL.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> YES.