Oct 01, 2020 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> MEETING FOR OCTOBER 1ST. WELCOME TO THE FALL. WEATHER'S BEEN COOPERATING.

[Call meeting to order.]

FELLOW AGENCY MEMBERS WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME PLEASE RESPOND IN THE NIRMTIVE.

IT HAS ME HERE SO I'M GOING TO SAY I'M HERE, PRESENT, MIKE KOPPENHAFER.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> I'M HERE. >> DR. HYMNALS.

>> PRESENT. >> MS. PERKINS. >> HERE.

>> THANK YOU. MR. ALAIMO. >> HERE.

>> THANK YOU. MR. MATOVINA. >> HERE.

>> AND ARCHIE, THEY DON'T HAVE YOU ON THE LIST BUT I'M GOING TO SAY YOU'RE HERE AS WELL.

OKAY. AND FOR CROWN STAFF YOU WILL COL STATE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU COME UP HERE. INTRODUCTION TO MEETING INCLUDING REMOTE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME ON THIS-TO-THIS REGULAR MEETING OF PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF CARBON EXPRN CORONAVIRUS AND REDUCE RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS, THE GOVERNOR HAS SUSPENDED PARTIALLY, I GUESS FOR THE MONTH NOW, THE REQUIREMENT OFF PHYSICAL ARE QUORUM AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION THROUGH PLRNLG PROCLAMATION NUMBER 2020-3. SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS LUGO I. INCLUDING EMAIL THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING VIA GTV OR BY STREAMING MOAFTD ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE ALSO PROVIDE A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT WITH PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED THAT PARTICIPANTS MAY BE LISTEN WHO DO NOT REQUIRE COMMENT, AND THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

PLEASE NOTE THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED. FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO COMMENT, IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL, PLEASE CALL BACK. IN ADDITION, MESA SELF-TIME THE THREE-MINUTE TIME HIMENT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THE THREE-MINUTE COMMENT TIMER WILL BE VISIBLE TO YOU, BECAUSE OF A DELAY IN THE TRANSMISSION OF THE MEETING, YOUR TIMING WILL BE MORE ACCURATE. FINALLY, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONES WHILE YOU ARE WAITING TO COMMENT AND MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR COMPUTER WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING.

PLEASE BE AWARE THAT A FIVE TO NINE SECOND DELAY WILL ALSO APPLY TO VISUAL PRESENTATIONS, AND IF EXPERIENCING ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE WILL RECESS WHILE THEY ARE RESOLVE, AND THEN RESUME THE MEETING. MEETING MATERIALS. THERE ARE MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. GO TO THE HOME PAGE UNDER "AGENDA MINUTES" AND CLICK ON "GROWTH MANAGEMENT" AND "PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING" AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THE FOLLOWING -- SEE THE LINKS TO THE AGENDA AND THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS IN ORDER TO ACCESS ALL OF THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. ROLL CALL VOTE.

FINALLY, IF ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, THEN EACH VOTE TAKEN IN THIS MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED VEE LAW ROLL CALL. THAT WAS WAS A MOUTHFUL.

UP NEXT, WE HAVE A READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICES STATEMENT BY VICE CHAIR.

MR. WAINRIGHT. >> >> THIS IS A PROPER NOTICED PUBC HEARING HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUO OFFER COMMENTS AT A DESIGNATED E DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRI SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING THE SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER.

ANY ADDITINAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN . THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIM THE MEETING ON EACH ADVERTISEMENT H.ITEM AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH WILL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKER'S SHALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WEEK WHOM THEY REPRESENT, AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKER'S MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY II. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL AY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO AY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

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WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANR EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO

THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU BHRB WAINRIGHT.

I HAVE NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA APPROVAL HAVE MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 6 -- FROM

[Approval of meeting minutes: PZA August 6, 2020.]

I'M WONDERING IF -- DID YOU HAVE THEM IN YOURS? >> YES.

I WILL OFFER A MOTION TO ACCEPT THESE UNLESS YOU WANT -- >> I THINK I WOULD NEED TO.

>> I CHANGED ANY THAT I WANTED TO SUPPORT MY POSITION. >> IT ALSO SAID, ARCHIE, YOUR BILL MADE THE FOLLOWING MOTIONS FOR ALL OF THE ITEMS HERE.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 6, 2020, FROM ARCHIE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> THANK YOU, DR. MCCORMICK.

GOT A SECOND. GO AHEAD AND DO THE VOICE VOTE ON THIS.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES TO ACCEPT APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 6TH. UP NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY. ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE BUILDING? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO ONLINE.

ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ONLINE, SIR? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS

TIME. >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. THAT'S STILL OPEN TO EACH ITEM. SO MOVING ALONG, ITEM NUMBER 1.

[1. NZVAR 2020-02 Planet Fitness Signs.]

>> I AM PRESENT. >> ALL RIGHT. TAKE IT AWAY, ROSS.

>> YES. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF I CAN DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, IT WILL HELP GIVE YOU A VISUAL OF WHAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR. AND, PETER, IF YOU'D JUST MOVE FROM THE FIRST PAGE ONTO THE SECOND PAGE, THIS IS IN REGARDS TO OUR LOCATION AT 80 EPIC BOULEVARD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE ARE APPLYING FOR A NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST IS THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WHICH ALLOWS 200 SQUARE FEET PER BUSINESS TO 400 400 -- 474 TOTAL SQUARE FEET. AND THE SEC PART IS FOR EACH SIGN IS 158 SQUARE FEET AND WE HAVE THREE SIGNS IN TOTAL. PETER, NEXT PAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION MAP HERE OF OUR FACILITY. THIS MOVIE STREET, EPIC BOULEVARD.

THE REASON WE'RE REQUESTING THIS VARIANCE IS BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE MAIN ROADS, WHICH ARE DUBS ROAD, AND THE MAJOR AORTA WHICH S STATE ROAD 207.

THE NEXT PAGE, PLEASE, PETER. CAN YOU. SEE THIS IS A MIXED USE DISTRICT. PETER WITH NEXT PAGE. ZONING MAP PART OF THE ROLLING

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AND IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY IN PROXIMITY TO THESE VARIOUS STREETS, AND THE MCDONALD, WHICH IS UP AT DOVES ROAD AND STATE ROTE STATE ROAD 207.

PETER, NEXT PAGE, PLEASE. WE HAVE REQUESTED TO PLACE THESE SIGNS, ONE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, ONE ON THE EAST ELEVATION, ONE ON THE WEST ELEVATION.

IT'S REALLY NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR GENERALIZATION, I'LL SAY NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST. PETER, NEXT PAGE.

YOU SEE THE PLANET FITNESS SIGN ITSELF. THIS IS PART OF OUR NATIONAL BRANDING. WE HAVE ALMOST 2,000 SITES ACROSS THE U.S. AT THIS TIME, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY SITE IS EXACTLY LIKE THIS. PETER, NEXT PAGE, PLEASE, WHICH WOULD BE PAGE 9. YOU CAN SEE THE THREE ELEVATIONS.

NEXT PAGE, PAGE 10. THE MAIN REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SIZE OF THE SIGNS IS DUE TOTE SETBACK AND THE DISTANCE TO STATE LINE 207.

THE DISTANCE WE HAVE MARKED OFF AT OVER 500 FEET WITH THE ADVANCED GROWTH TREES AND THE TRAFFIC, WE -- AS YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN 2 REVOLVE 07, YOU ONLY HAVE A BRIEF OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK DOWN THERE AND SEE OUR SITE. IF YOU DO MISS THAT TURN, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO UP AND EITHER TURN -- MACK A U-TURN ONTO 207 AND COME BACK OR MAKE A TURN AT THE MCDONALD'S AND COME ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BLOCK. THIS IS CAUSING TRAFFIC CONGESTION IN THESE AREAS.

PETER, IF YOU WILL CHANGE TO PAGE 11, YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE ON DOBBS WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER 500 FEET. IF YOU CAN GET ON TO PAGE 13, YOU CAN SEE THE CORNER OF 207 DOWN EPIC. THE DISTANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO SEE, THE ADVANCED TREE GROWTH AT THE CORNER BLOCKING THE VIEW FROM THE CORNER DOWN TO OUR SIT SITE.

PETER, IF YOU'D GO TO PAGE 14. THE SIZE OF THE CHANNEL LETTERS -- AND WE'VE DONE THIS ON SITE AS WE'VE LOOKED AT VARIOUS SIZE LETTERS. WE'VE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN 207.

AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE BEST VISUAL SIZE LETTER FOR THE SITE. HITTING THAT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE LETTER THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR VERY WELL FROM DOBBS AND FROM 207.

IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT OUR DEMOGRAPHIC PULLS FROM ABOUT TEN MILES AROUND, SO, YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF BE NEWCOMERS TO THE SITE THAT WILL NOT KNOW THESE TURNS, AND THE ACCESS IS TO GET THE ACCESSES TO GET THERE. PART OF THE PLANET FITNESS MEMBERSHIPS ALLOWS MEMBERS FROM CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, ALL OVER TO HAVE ACCESS TO ANY PLANET FITNESS IN THE U.S. WITH THAT IN THEIR MEMBERSHIP, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE SITE WILL BE USING, MAY NOT BE FROM FLORIDA AT ALL. THEY MAY BE FROM OUT OF STATE, THEY WANT TO USE THE PLACE FOR A WORKOUT. WE HAVE WI-FI SYSTEMS. WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS THAT COME IN, THEY WORK OUT, THEY DO BUSINESS FROM THE MEZZANINE IN THE FACILITY. AND WE FEEL THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE A BURDEN TO ANY OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE FEEL THAT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR BETTER FLOW OF TRAFFIC, LESS NOISE, LESS HAZARDS THOUGHT AREA. AND TO THE AREA.

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WHEN YOU TAKE IN THEIR ARCHES, THEIR SIGNS, THEIR MENU BOARDS WITH DIRECTION SIGNS, WE HAD ALMOST 600 600 SQUARE FEET IN SIGNAGE ON THAT FACILITY. WE ARE ONE OF THE FIRST SITES TO BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE MORE BUILDINGS BUILT, SO IT'S GOING TO CUT DOWN ON OUR SIGHT LINE EVEN FURTHER. SO WE ARE REQUESTING A FAVORABLE DECISION IN OUR REQUEST FOR THAT

VARIANCE FOR THOSE SIGNS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO ASK A BASIC ONE HERE.

ONE IS -- PETER, CAN YOU GO TO THE PLAN THAT HAS THEIR SITE THAT HAS THE THREE SIGNS DEPICTED ON IT FROM A SITE PERSPECTIVE, PLEASE. A SITE PLAN!

RIGHT THERE. >> MR. CHAIR, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO DO EX PARTE YET.

>> >> I'VE GOT A QUICK ONE HERE TO UNDERSTAND -- THIS IS FINE.

SO THE WAY I SEE IT, YOU'VE GOT A SIGN SORT OF IN THE UPPER AND LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THE ONE TO THE RIGHT --

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> FACES THE EPIC THEATERS AND NOT TO THE SOUTH WHICH IS THE SHORT END OF BUILDING. IF YOU LOOK ON THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS PAGE 13, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOT A COPY OF THAT, PETER -- THIS ONE HERE. YOU DON'T? -- WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING IT ON THE SHORT EXPEND NOT TO LONG END. ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIETSD SHOWN ON THE SHORT END, NOT THE LONG END. I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON

WHERE IT OCCURS BECAUSE I SEE A CONFLICT HERE. >> OKAY.

THE INTENT IS TO HAVE -- BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS NOT SQUARE ON THAT PROPERTY, AND THAT PROPERTY IS NOT SQUARE ON THE SITE, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE IT FACING NORTHEAST TOWARDS DOBBS, SOUTH TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT OF THE MOVIE THEATER, AND THEN ON THE REAR ELEVATION AT THE VERY

CORNER OF THE BUILDING FACING STATE STREET AND 207. >> LET ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT

WAY. >> 207 AND SOUTH HOLMES. IT WILL STILL GIVE VISIBILITY TO

THAT BUILDINGS. >> I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU. BASED ON THE PLAN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, ARE THOSE THE SIGN LOCATIONS YOU WILL WANT? YES OR NO?

>> LET ME GET TO THAT. >> IT'S ON THE SCREEN. >> THE ONE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THAT -- SORRY.

BEAR WITH ME HERE. >> WHILE THE APPLICANT'S DOING THIS, LET'S GO THROUGH OUR EX PARTE FROM STAFF HERE. DR. MCCORMICK, ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE?

>> THIS IS DR. MCCORMICK. I JUST DROVE BY THE SITE IS ALL. >> ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES, I DROVE BY THE SITE. >> ARCHIE?

>> NO. >> I DROVE BY THE SITE AS WELL. MS. PERKINS?

>> I DROVE BY THE SITE. >> MR. ALAIMO? >> I DROVE BY THE SITE AS WELL.

>> AND MR. MATOVINA. >> NO, EX PARTE. >> THANK YOU.

THE APPLICANT, CAN YOU ANSWER WHERE THREE SIGNS ARE, PRETTY PLEASE.

>> YES, RIGHT WHERE THE ELEVATION DRAWING ON PAGE 9 INDICATES THEM TO BE.

HOWEVER, WE CAN RELOCATE THEM TO ANY PLACE THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM ON THE BUILDING. THAT IS OUR IDEAL POSITIONING OF THE SIGNS, BUT WE WILL RELOCATE

THEM TO WHAT YOU FEEL IS MOST FAVORABLE. >> SO I'M STILL CONFUSED ON WHERE THESE SIGNS ARE GOING. SO LET'S GO THROUGH THE LIST FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY

MEMBERS. DR. MCCORMICK, QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK? >> I HAVE COMMENTS RATHER THAN QUESTIONS.

NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE STEINS THAT ARE REQUESTED ON THE BUILDING -- THE SIGNS THAT ARE REQUESTED ON THE BUILDING, THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE ALLOWED A SIGN, A MONUMENT SIGN RIGHT OUT ON 207. IN FACT, THAT MON I'M SIGN WAS VIZ -- MONUMENT SIGN WAS VISIBLE

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I THINK THOSE IN ADDITION TO SIGNS THAT ARE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE ARE ADEQUATE.

THIS IS A VERY LARGE BUILDING. I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW LARGE IT WAS.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE SEEING IT. THE APPLICANT ALSO STATES IN THEIR INFORMATION THAT THERE E 500 FEET AWAY FROM STATE ROAD 207.

THE STAFF SAYS IT'S 290 FEET. AS WELL AS THEY SAY THEY'RE 800 FEET FROM DOBBS ROAD.

THE STAFF SAY THEY'RE 382 FEET AWAY. AS WELL, STAFF SAYS THREE OTHER BUSINESSES RIGHT THERE, EPIC THEATER, MCDONALD'S AND THE BATTLE CAR WASH DO NOT EXCEED THE 200 SQUARE FOOT SIGNAGE. I KNOW NOTICED THE APPLICANT REFUTED THAT AND SAID THEY MEASURED THE SIGNS FOR MCDONALD'S. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INCLUDING THE MONUMENT SIGN AND THE POLE SIGN, BUT I ASK THEM TO CLARIFY THAT.

IN GENERAL WHAT I SAW AT THE SITE YESTERDAY, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WHAT THE OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE RIGHT THERE, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE MCDONALD'S SQUARE FOOTAGE?

>> YES. I INDICATED THAT THEIR ENTIRE BRAND PACKAGE, WHICH IS THE MENU BOARDS, THE ARCHES, THE AWNINGS, THE SIGNS, THEIR WHOLE SITE IS A MCDONALD BRAND AND ADVERTISING ADVERTISING. IN EVERYTHING FROM THEIR DIRECTIONALS TO THOSE MONUMENT SIGNS. I MAY ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT MONUMENT SIGN, WE ONLY HAVE A PANEL ON THAT MONUMENT SIGN. WE DO NOT HAVE THE ENTIRE MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S AT THE

CORNER OF DOBBS AND 207. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THERE, INCLUDING EPIC THEATERS, ALSO JUST HAVE A SMALL SIGN ON THAT MONUMENT SIGN.

>> OKAY. GOING THROUGH THE LIST, MR. WAINRIGHT, QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? MR. WAINRIGHT IS NEXT. >> FOR COMMENTS OR FOR QUESTIONS

OR BOTH? >> BOTH. >> I THINK THE SIRENS SIGNSE ATTRACTIVE IN THE WAY OF VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE, BUT I SEE NO RATIONALE FOR THEIR INCREASE IN SIZE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR THE SIGNS FROM THOSE LOCATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN FROM THE VECTORS, VISUAL VECTORS FROM THE SITE.

EVEN IF THEY ARE, OTHER PEOPLE DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM THEMSELVES.

THE ZONING REQUIREMENT IS A POSITIVE ONE. IT HELPS US AVOID SIGN POLLUTION, VISUAL POLLUTION, AND I SEE NO REASON TO GO ALONG WITH THE INCREASE OF THE SIGNS BASED

ON WHATEVER HAS BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR. >> THANK YOU, MR. WAINRIGHT.

ME, I'M GOING TO -- I'M STILL CONFUSED ON WHERE THE SIGNS ARE GOING, AND I DON'T WANT IT LEFT UP TO ME AS ONE OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS TO DICTATE WHERE IT'S GOING FROM THE APPLICANT.

I -- I CAN CONCUR WITH THE OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT MCDONALD'S COMPLIE, THE CAR WASH COMPLIED, TEP I CAN THEATER COMPLIED. -- THE EPIC THEATER COMPLIED. I THINK WE HAVE TOO MUCH SIGNS AT SOME POINT. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT OF WHAT THE PUD IS FOR THAT PARCEL. THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 35 FEET AND OBVIOUSLY A BILLBOARD IN AND OF ITSELF, MUCH LIKE THE MCDONALD, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT THEY'RE ALL BRANDED TO BE THE SAME SO THAT ANYBODY FROM OUT OF TOWN CAN RECOGNIZE THEM. BUT I JUST THINK THE -- IT'S TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHATEVER THE ALLOWABLE IS. IF WHAT'S ON THIS IMAGE IN OUR STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 10 IS CORRECT, YOU HAVE ONE OF THE WALL SIGNS THAT BASICALLY JUST POINTS BACK TO EPIC THEATER, AND SO THINK THAT DOES ANYBODY ANY GOOD SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT

THIS PERSONALLY. UP NEXT, MS. PERKINS. >> NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. MR. ALAIMO. >> YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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BENEFIT TO YOUR BUSINESS OR -- >> NO, THIS IS STANDARD ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IF YOU GO TO ANY PLANET FITNESS, WE TRY AND BRAND THEM ALL THE SAME SO THAT PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN DO HAVE THAT IDEA IN THEIR HEAD WHEN THEY SEE THOSE SIGNS THAT THERE'S MY FITNESS CENTER.

>> OKAY. DO YOU CURRENTLY OWN THE EXISTING PLANET FITNESS HERE IN

TOWN ON US-1? >> NO, THAT IS ANOTHER FRANCHISEE.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. MR. MATOVINA, QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS, SIR? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT I FIND THE PRESENTATION, THE WHOLE SOMEWHAT BEWILDER -- I'M BEWILDER BY IT. I CAN'T PICTURE IT. I REALLY DON'T GET IT.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN USEFUL TO CREATE A RENDERING FROM THE ROADWAY SPOT SO WE COULD REALLY HAVE A NICE VIEW OF IT. I THINK WHEN WE VOTED ON THE0S DRESS FOR LESS IN DURBIN, DUR -- THE ROSS DRESS FOR LESS IN DURBIN OVER THERE OFF THE RACETRACK WE HAD A NICE ELEVATION THAT LOOKED LIKE WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM THE ROAD.

HAVING BEEN A REGULAR GYM MEMBER FOR A VERY LONG TIME, SINCE COVID HIT, MOST PEOPLE WHO GO TO A GYM KNOW WHERE THE GYM IS. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE PASSING BY AND SAY, THERE'S A GYM, LET ME GO WORK OUT. I'M INCLINED TO BE WITH MOST EVERYBODY ELSE AND NOT SUPPORT

THIS. >> THANK YOU. APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANY

FURTHER COMMENTS? >> NO, OTHER THAN AGAIN THIS IS PART OF OUR NATIONAL BRAND.

WE TRY AND HAVE STEINS ON EVERYN THAT FACES THE ROAD. I KNOW YOU SAID THE ONE FACES THE PARKING LOT, BUT THAT IS THE FRONT ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING.

SO IT'S CRUCIAL TO HAVE A SIGN ON YOUR MAIN ELEVATION. THE SIGN ON THE EAST IS CENTERED ON THE ROADWAY AT DOBBS AND 207 AND BE THE SIGN ON THE WEST IS FACING THE OTHER ACCESS TO THE ROAD, TO THE FACILITY. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL THREE.

WOULD COUNCIL CONSIDER A SMALLER VERSION OR IF WE REMOVED ONE OF THE SIGNS?

>> THAT'S -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALLOWED TO.

THE APPLICATION WAS PUT FORTH AND ADVERTISED IN THIS FASHION. I THINK YOU CAN -- WE'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF OPTIONS HERE. ONE IS WE CAN JUST VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THIS, TWO IS YOU COULD ASK FOR US TO CARRY THIS TO A DATE UNCERTAIN AND YOU CAN REVISE WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK FOR, OR, THREE, JUST WITHDRAW IT, I GUESS. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU COME UP WITH WHAT YOU WANT. I THINK FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, I THINK ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS OPEN TO NEW BUSINESSES CERTAINLY, BUT WE DON'T -- WITHOUT LOSING THE CHARM AND CHARACTER OF WHATEVER ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR AT LEAST THIS LITTLE PIECE OF IT IS.

>> YES, I UNDERSTAND. >> SO I LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU TO MAKE THE DECISION.

>> MR. CHAIR. >> CERTAINLY I'D LIKE TO CARRY THOAFER AND THIS OVER AND REVE

PROPOSAL AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH ANOTHER DESIGN. >> ALICE?

WE DO WANT TO INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. >> OOH.

VERY GOOD. DO WE HAVE IN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?

>> NO, SIR. >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE?

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.

THEN REITERATING WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS TO A DATE UNCERTAIN WHERE YOU CAN REVISE YOUR SUBMITTAL. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING CORRECTLY?

>> CERTAINLY. I'LL GET BACK WITH STAFF ON THAT MATTER.

THANK YOU. >> LET'S VOTE ON THIS, THOUGH. I'M SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD HERE.

WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REALLY BUT IS THERE A DESIRE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS?

>> I WOULD OFFER A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO A DATE UNCERTAIN FOR THE REVISIONS THAT

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THE OPPONENT WISHES TO MAKE TO THE SIZES AND LOCATIONS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE. I'LL GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL

LIST. DR. MCCORMICK. >> APPROVE.

>> THAT WOULD BE A YES. DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES.

>> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES.

MRS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> I'M SORRY.

WAS THAT YES OR NO? I'M SORRY, MA'AM. >> YES.

>> SOMEONE COUGHED RIGHT THEN. MR. ALAIMO? >> YES.

>> AND MR. MATOVINA. >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND APPROVAL TO CONTINUE THIS TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. APPLICANT.

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>> HOW ARE YOU ALL? >> GREAT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY OUTSIDE AND

WE'RE INSIDE. >> AND WE'RE INSIDE, ABSOLUTELY. >> SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT.

>> KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. WITH ME IS MIKE LOETSCHER AND HE AND HIS WIFE ARE THE APPLICANTS ON THIS PROJECT. AND THE PROJECT IS THE FLAGLER COMMERCE CENTER ADDITION REZONING. THIS IS TO REZONE FROM RS-3 TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND IT MATCHES SOMETHING THAT WE DID A WHILE AGO THAT YOU ALL WERE ON THAT WAS ALSO -- IS IN FRONT OF THIS. THIS IS JUST A LOCATION, AND BASICALLY I DID INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION SITE, WHICH IS IN THE DASHED, SO WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY IS IN THE TOLD SOLID LINE POOTS ACTUALLY 800 FEET FROM US-1 FORTH NORTH.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S ACROSS FROM THE CORDOVA PALMS ENTRANCE, AND FLAGLER BOULEVARD ALIGNS WITH THAT SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE ACTUALLY WITH THE 313 INTERSECTION.

AND IT IS PART OF AN ADJACENT SUBDIVISION THAT IS UNDEVELOPED. PLATTED IN 1926, A LONG TIME AGO. SO AGAIN, IT'S UNDEVELOPED. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THIS TO THE EAST THE ROADS ARE NOT OPENED AND THE LOTS HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AS WELL.

TO THE SOUTH THERE'S -- IT'S THE BACK OF A LARGE LOT. THAT LOT, IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE CORNER THERE BASICALLY OR IT'S WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, OTHER PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF. THE NORTH IS THE UNOPENED FLAGLER BOULEVARD WHICH THE DEVELOPMENT UP HERE IS GOING TO OPEN A PORTION OF THAT. AND TO THE WEST IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S UNDER REVIEW. JUST THIS PARTICULAR SITE. AGAIN, A LITTLE CLOSER, AGAIN TO REZONE TO CI TO MATCH THE ZONING ON THE ADJACENT, AND THE REASON FOR IT IS IS TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR STORM WATER RETENTION AS WELL AS FOR BUFFER. AND AGAIN, THE PLANS ARE UNDERWAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE OTHER. THE PROPERTY IS A FUTURE LAND USE OF MIXED USE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S WELL WITHIN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE SURROUNDING LAND USES, RESIDENTIAL C, COMMERCIAL INCENTIVE, RESIDENTIAL B, TO THE PERIPHERY OF THIS. AS FOR ZONING, IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED RS3, SHOWS THE SITE IN FRONT OF IT, THAT IT'S GOING TO CONNECT TO AS CI.

IF YOU REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO TO THE NORTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FLAGLER BOULEVARD WE JUST REZONED THAT ONE ALSO TO CI. AND THEN YOU SEE THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ZONINGS IN THE AREA.

A LOT OF IW AND CI. THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN AS IT'S SHOWN.

I'M KIND OF DOING A LITTLE LARGER VERSION JUST TO SHOW YOU THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION THAT WE'RE REQUESTING THE REZONING FOR. THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS REZONED BEFORE AND IS UNDER REVIEW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT SHOWS HOW THE RETENTION AREA -- WHOOPS, SORRY -- FALLS WITHIN THAT, THAT AREA, AND THEN THERE IS A JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND LINE THAT YOU CAN SEE ALONG IN HERE, BUT BASICALLY THERE'S A 25-FOOT SETBACK REQUIRED ALL THE WAY ALONG HERE AND BUFFER, I MAN NOT SETBACK, BUFFER. AND THAT BUFFER WOULD BE -- TO INCLUDE FOR THE RETENTION AND

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THEY'RE 40 BY 100 EACH. AND WHEN YOU AS A RESULT LOOKING AT THE NEXT THING, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT TOO. I DID -- I USED A 2016 AERIAL JUST TO SHOW AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH OF THIS SUBDIVISION IS DEVELOPED. THIS IS ALL PART OF THAT, THAT SAME SUBDIVISION. AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT THIS PARTICULAR AREA ISN'T DEVELOPED AT ALL. AND IF YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER, YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER REASON WHY.

SO IT ALSO SHOWS YOU THE DISTANCE TO ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THERE, BUT IT IS SO RIDDLED WITH WETLAND AREAS AND THINGS IN IT THAT THE PROBABILITY OF IT DEVELOPING AS IT WAS PLATTED IS PRETTY LOW. IT MIGHT DEVELOP AT SOME TIME. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE THE REQUIRED BUFFERS NEEDED. AND THIS IS US-1 SO THIS IS THE FRONT SITE.

I COULDN'T -- DIDN'T TROMP BACK THE TO BACK TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE OTHER ONE LOOKED LIKE, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE IDEA OF THE LOCATION, YOU CAN SEE THE SIGN POSTED.

THAT'S LOOKING NORTH. THAT'S THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THE OTHER SITE.

THAT'S LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE FRONTAGE ALONG IT AS WELL SO YOU CAN SEE THE MOBILE HOME THAT EXISTS THERE. AND AGAIN, JUST KIND OF ALONG THAT AREA, THAT'S DOT DOING WORK THERE. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A BARRIER. AND THEN THIS IS A SOUTH PROPERTY TO THIS ONE WHICH IS ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL USE. AND THE ONE TO THE NORTH WHICH IS ALSO INDUSTRIAL TYPE USE. SO WE FEEL THAT THE ZONING CHANGE, WE NEIL IT'S NEEDED FOR TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND THE BUFFERS. IT DOES REPRESENT A MINOR CEO INTO THAT UNDEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISION, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THAT HAS VERY LITTLE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OR, AGAIN, IF IN FACT IT DID, THIS SITE WOULD PROVIDE ALL THE ADEQUATE BUFFERS RELATED TO THAT. IT WILL CONFORM TO THOSE STANDARDS, BOTH THOSE WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THOSE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT.

EVEN THE RESIDENTIAL IS ALL CONSIDERED IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT.

AND WE FEEL IT'S COMPATIBLE THROUGH THE SIMILAR ZONING FOR THE AREAS TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST AND TO THE EAST IT BECOMES COMPATIBLE WITH THE REQUIRED BUFFERS.

SO AS BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC, WE ARE REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL OR YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, AND

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IF ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, KAREN.

WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST HERE. IF YOU COULD ALSO LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE, AND I THINK I. THIS ONE A NO-BRAINER. IT'S ROUTE 1.

IT'S GETTING TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS THE TRICKY PART.

SO DR. MCCORMICK, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR EX PARTE TO DECLARE, SIR?

>> NONE. >> ALL RIGHT. DR. HILSENBECK?

>> I DID DRIVE BY THE SITE, AND YOU ARE CORRECT, MIKE, THAT GETTING TO THE BACK IS THE TRICKY PART NOW WITH THAT NEW SUBDIVISION IN THERE, CHASEWOOD. OTHER THAN TECHS PAR TO A I HAVE

NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. >> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND. HOW CLOSE WILL THIS PROPERTY THEN BE TO THE NEAREST

RESIDENTIAL? HELP ME WITH THAT. >> I DID NOT DO A MESH UNIFORMITY BUT I CAN GO BACK TO THE MAP AND GIVE YOU A -- THOSE BLOCKS CONTAIN -- THOSE ARE

40-FOOT LOTS. >> ACROSS THE STREET? JUST GET ME CLOSE.

>> PROBABLY -- PROBABLY ABOUT 1,000 FEET. AS TO ACROSS THE STREET, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STREET THAT'S BACK BEHIND THERE WHICH IS KIND OF AN EXTENSION OF OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY. AND AS MENTIONED, THERE IS THE CHASEWOOD ONE THAT WE DID THAT IS HERE TO THE SOUTH. THAT IS THE ONLY ACCESS YOU GET TO THERE.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET THERE, THERE IS NO ACCESS INTO THAT, AS THE DOCTOR FOUND OUT.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND TO THERE, THAT'S ALSO PROBABLY ANOTHER, CLOSE TO

ANOTHER 1,000 FEET, IS ON TOE SOUTH, TO CHASEWOOD. >> THANK YOU.

>> ONE THING TO NOTE ABOUT CHASEWOOD, THE REASON THERE'S A BIG BUFFER ON THAT, AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE WHEN WE DID THAT ONE, IS THAT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY IN INFORMANT SOME OF THE PLANS OF IN 313 OF A FLYOVER THAT WAS GOING TO COME INTO THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

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>> THANK YOU FOR THAT HISTORICAL -- >> WELL, IT BECOMES BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT POSSIBLY CHANGING THE FLAGLER BOULEVARD OR WHATEVER AND DOT WAS LIKE, NO, WE HAVE THIS PLAN, AND SO THERE IS A POINT IN THE CORDOBA PALMS OF WHEN THAT FLYOVER HAS

TO HAPPEN. >> THANK YOU. ALWAYS AT MY AGE, I ALWAYS LIKE

BEING REMINDED OF HISTORICAL ISSUES. >> WE ME TOO.

>> I THINK ARCHIE PUT THE PLAT TOGETHER IN 1949. I THINK IT I SEE IT RIGHT HERE.

ARCHIE. >> YEAH, THAT'S THE PLACE. >> HE WAS 48 AT THE TIME.

JUST KIDDING, ARCHIE. GOD BLESS YOU. I HAVE NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. MS. PERKINS? >> NO EX PARTE, COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. EX PARTE FOR MYSELF AS WELL.

MR. ALAIMO? >> NO EX PARTE, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. MR. MATOVINA. >> I HAVE NO EX PARTE, AND I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, AND THAT IS CAN WE -- EVEN THOUGH I THINK THIS LOCATION IS REMOTE, I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT USE OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT CAN WE CONDITION THE ZONING APPROVAL U.S. SUCH THAT THE USES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA WILL ONLY BE FOR RETENTION

POND AND FOR BUFFER? >> WE COULD, BUT I WOULD PREFER NOT TO.

I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE CONDITIONAL ZONINGS. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE I'M KIND OF BACKING UP BECAUSE I DO IMUS SOMETIMES COME IN WITH THEM RATHER THAN THE PUD.

I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY USE FOR IT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, BUT I WOULD HATE TO LIMIT THAT IN CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT -- THESE ARE 100-FOOT DEEP LOTS, SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO. I CAN CONFER WITH THEM BEFORE WE GET TO THE COMMISSION, BUT IT IS

MY UNDERSTANDING -- I PREFER NOT TO. >> YOUR CLIENT WAS SHAKING HIS HEAD OR NODDING HIS HEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CONFER.

>> I NODDED MY HEAD THAT I JUND STOOD THE QUESTION, AND MY WIFE AND I ARE SPLIT ON THAT.

I WOULD AGREE.

>> THAT'S MY DILEMMA. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE OF A MARITAL DECISION

HERE, SO I WOULD PREFER NOT TO. >> UNDERSTOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> NO.

>> ANY IN THE BUILDING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ONLINE? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS

TIME. >> ALL RIGHT. THEN WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY

FOR ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS OR A MOTION. >> I'D OFFER A MOTION UNLESS

SOMEONE ELSE WISHES TO. >> I HEAR NO ONE ELSE SPEAKING UP, ARCHIE.

>> I'D OFFER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RES 2020-16 FLAGLER COMMERCE CENTER ADDITION, A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.01 ACRES OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RS-3 TO EXPHECIAL, EXTENSIVE CI BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SEC FROM . >> SECOND FROM MR. ALAIMO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONSOME.

>> THIS IS RICHARD HILSENBECK. LIKE WHAT MR. MATT PUT FORWARD, THAT I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COMMIT TO USING THIS ONLY AS A BUFFER AS A HOLDING POND BECAUSE THERE'S THAT UNBUILT SUBDIVISION BACK THERE, SO IF THAT IS DEVELOPED, AND IT'S NOT JUST A BUFFER OR HOLDING POND, IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, SOIT WITHOUT THAT IS OUT

THAT ASSURANCE I'M GOING TO CAST A NO VOTE. >> ALL RIGHT.

THE APPLICANT PLEASE STEP FORWARD. >> I'VE BEEN ADVISED BY MY

CLIENT THAT THEY WILL AGREE TO THE CONDITION. >> OKAY.

NO MARITAL SPATS? >> NO, NONE. >> NONE IN THIS ROOM.

>> HE GETS TO DEAL WITH THAT WHEN HE GETS HOME. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO WITHIN -- WITHIN THE MOTION -- WELL, POTENTIALLY WITHIN THE MOTION THAT YOU HAVE MADE, ARCHIE, YOU COULD AMEND THAT TO RESTRICT THE USES ON THIS PARCEL THAT WE'RE CHANGING

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THE ZONING TO JUST STORM WATER RETENTION. >> IF THAT IS ADEQUATE WORDS, SO

BE IT. >> I'M GETTING A HEAD NOD FROM OUR ATTORNEY AND KAREN, ARE MY

WORDS ADEQUATE? >> YOU COULD SAY STORM WATER AND BUFFER.

>> AND BUFFER. OKAY. IS THAT FINE WITH YOU?

>> YES. >> GOT A HEADS-UP FROM ARCHIE, MR. ALAIMO DOES THAT WORK FOR

YOU AS A SECOND? >> YES, IT DOES. >> IT'S 7-8 WETLANDS. THAT WOULD BE A REAL SUBURBS THERE ANYWAYS.

BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT MAKES IT EASIER CERTAINLY.

OKAY. SO TO RECAP, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH AN ADDED CONDITION, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, IS TO ONLY HAVE THIS MARCEL BE WETLANDS -- PARCEL BE WETLANDS -- I'M SORRY, RETENTION OR BUFFER TO THE MAIN PARCEL, AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL DO THE ROLL

CALL VOTE. DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES. >> MR. WAINRIGHT.

>> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES. MS. PERKINS.

>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES.

>> AND MR. MATOVINA. >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS 7-0. THANK YOU ALL. ITEM NUMBER 3, MR. WHITEHOUSE.

[3. REZ 2020-07 Frog Hollow Mobile Home Park.]

BACK IN THE DAY. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN? >> SEVEN YEARS MAYBE.

>> REALLY? >> FOR THE RECORD JAMES WHITEHOUSE ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP SEA GROVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A PROPERTY, AS YOU SAW FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, THAT IS JUST ON US-1 NORTH OF THE AIRPORT. IT'S IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REZONING TO RMH MOBILE HOME. IT IS -- IT IS A MOBILE HOME PARK. IT HAS BEEN A MOBILE HOME PARK FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

THE OWNERS WANTED TO IMPROVE AND RENOVATE THE PARK TO MAKE IT NICER AND TO TAKE OUT UNFORTUNATE SOME OF THE NON-DESIRABLE USES. AND THEY CAME TO THE COUNTY BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED AND ASKED ABOUT SORT OF RENOVATING IT, AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT SINCE IT WAS A NON-CONFORMING ZONING AND CG, THEY HAD TO REZONE IT. SO THEN THEY CAME TO ME AND IT I AND I LOOKED AT A AND WE MADE APPLICATION TO REZONE TO RH. I CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE APPLICATION BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED TO. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE. BUT AS I SAID IT'S BEEN A MOBILE HOME PARK FOR MANY YEARS.

ALL THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING THAT INTO CONFORM. AS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR POLICIES AND GOALS TO BRING PROPERTIES INTO CONFORMANCE, AND THAT'S ALL THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.

AS YOU SAW, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED ASKED FOR BY THE STAFF, AND THAT WAS TO GIVE SOME TIME TO MOVE THESE NON-CONFORMING USES OUT AND THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THOSE. SO AS I SAID, I CAN GO THROUGH MORE, BUT WHY DON'T I, IN THE INTERESTS OF TIME, WHY DON'T I SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> I LIKE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS DECLARING EX PARTE AS WELL AS COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> NO EX EX PARTE OR COMMENTSR QUESTIONS ON THIS ISSUE.

>> THANK YOU. DR. HILSENBECK. >> I DID DRIVE BY THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, AND I HAVE NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. MR. WAINRIGHT. >> NO THANK YOU.

>> NONE? >> NONE. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER, I HAVE DRIVEN BY BUT I'VE NOT LOOKED AT IT PERSONALLY. NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

I'M HAPPY THAT IT GETS CLEANED UP. MS. PERKINS.

>> NONE. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> YEAH, I DO NEED TO DECLARE SOME EX PARTE. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM. NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, THOUGH, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT

THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. >> THANK YOU.

AND MR. MATOVINA. >> . >> I HAVE NOTHING.

THANK YOU. NO EX TAR PAY AND EX PA. >> ANYTHING TOLLS ADD,

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MR. WHITEHOUSE? >> UNLESS THERE'S PUBLIC COME. >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC

COMMENTS? >> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD. MR. ANDY SHYSHEK.

SIR, IF YOU'D COME FORWARD, GIVE US YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOUR DISPREARKS YOU HAVE THREE

MINUTES. >> HELLO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS

REGARDING 4, 5 AND 6, RIGHT? >> NO, WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 3. >> IT SHOULD BE 4, 5 AND 6.

>> FROG HOLLOW MOBILE HOME PARK. >> I'M SORRY. MY ERROR.

>> THAT'S OKAY. >> THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE MADE A MISTAKES SINCE 1954.

I'LL COME BACK LATER. >> NO PROBLEM. >> THE ONE PREVIOUS TO THAT WAS THAT PLATTING OF 40-FOOT WIDE LOT. WHO USES 40-FOOT WIDE LOTS? ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKER'S IN THE HOUSE? I SEE NONE.

ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ONLINE? >> NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> ALL RIGHT.

THEN WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR MODEST JOKES OR A MOTION,

PLEASE. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> PLEASE DO. >> MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZ 2020-07, FROG HOLLOW MOBILE HOME PARK, REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 6.5 PARKERS OF LAND FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO RESIDENTIAL, MANUFACTURED/MOBILE HOME RMH WITH CONDITIONS BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO TWO CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> MR. WAINRIGHT IS THE SECOND. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL DO OUR ROLL CALL VOTE.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> YES. >> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES.

>> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES. MS. PERKINS. >> YES.

>> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES. >> AND MR. MATOVINA.

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS 7-0.

YOU GOT YOUR RESIDENTIAL MOBILE& HOME. >> THANK YOU.

>> ZONING. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 4.

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>> MACE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JAIME MACKEY 54 SUGAR MAGNOLIA DRIVE IN POINT VED PONTE VEDRA. MY PARTNER AND I HAVE OWNS THE COVERED STORAGE SINCE 2004 AND OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY SINCE 2007 WE ARE LONG-TERM COUNTY RESIDENTS IS. THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF OUTDOOR COVERED.

AND SINCE COVID STARRED EVERYONE ROUTINE AND BOUGHT A BOAT OR RV. THERE'S LIMITED ABILITY IN THAT NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S A NEEDED FACILITY FOR THE AREA.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE WITH MS. SHERRY BELL. SHE HAS BEEN ON THE PROPERTY ALMOST 50 YEARS LIVING AT THAT LOCATION. THE PARCEL SIZE AND SHAPE AND THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO DO THE TYPE OF OUTSIDE STORAGE WE CURRENTLY DO, SO WE DECIDED TO GO WITH A COVERED STORAGE PRODUCT. WE'RE PROPOSING COVERED STORAGE FOR BOTH AND RVS, ALL PAVED WITH POWER, ELECTRIC GATE, FULLY FENCE DOLLARS, SCREENED, PERIMETER SECURED AND CAMERAS. THE LAND USE AND ZONING IN THAT AREA IS MIXED BETWEEN A HISTORICAL OR USES AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. BASICALLY, THE AREA BETWEEN THE BRIDGES, THE BRIDGES WHEN KNOCK A TEE WAS APPROVED. I THINK IT WAS ALL HEAVY COMMERCIAL. THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATION AND THE ZONING REQUESTED IS BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A GOOD USE FOR THAT PROFIT BUFFERING THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE EAST FROM THE MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ALONG US-1. OUR FACILITY IS PRETTY QUIET GENERALLY.

LOW TRAFFIC. LOW NOISE. WE LIKE TO CALL IT UNEVENTFUL.

THAT'S HOW WE LIKE IT. I'M ADDRESSING ALL THREE OF THESE IN ONE THING.

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THE SOUTHERN END, BEING THE WIDEST, IS REALLY THE MOST USABLE.

AND IT'S -- THIS IS ALL IN YOUR PACKAGE SO A LOT OF THIS IS REITERATION OF IT, BUT WITH THE 20-FOOT BUFFERS ON IT, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE CURRENTLY ON EACH SIDE, WE END UP REALLY WITH 71% OF THAT PROPERTY AS USABLE SPACE. IF WE CAN GO TO THE 10-FOOT TYPE E BUFFERS ON THE WEST AND THE SOUTH, WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING THERE.

THE PROJECT IS WELL UNDER THE BUILDING MAXIMUM COVERAGE AREA. WE'RE 28% BUILDINGS COVERAGE COMPARED TO 50% ALLOWED AND OWRKS PERCENT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS 56% AS OPPOSED TO THE 75% ALLOWED. SO IT'S NOT TOO INTENSIVE FOR WHAT'S THERE.

ANOTHER HARDSHIP FOR US I THINK IS TBEEG THE FIRST IS BEING THE FIRST TO DEVELOP, WE EXPECT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST TO BE EVENTUALLY ZONED COMMERCIAL, INTENSIVE OR SOME OTHER SIMILAR USE. EVEN IF THEY WERE AND THEY'RE VACANT, AND JUFNS CAN JUSTIN N CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A 20-FOOT BUFFER, B BHUFER BECAUSE. IN A WAY WE'RE PENALIZED BY BEING THE FIRST WINDS OUT THERE, WHEREAS THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES THERE HE CAN BUILD FIVE FEET OFF THE LINE IN ACCORD WITNESS WITH CI ZONING. SO BY GOING FROM 20 FEET TO 10 FEET, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR THE MINIMUM. THE 5-FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING SETBACK.

WE WERE JUST NEED 10 FEET TO MAKE OUR PROJECT VIABLE. THE 20-FOOT RIDE FDOT DITCH ON THE WEST SIDE HELPS TO BUFFER US THERE. THE EXISTING FREE LINE AND HEDGE ROW ON THE SOUTH SIDE HELPS ON THAT. SO WE BELIEVE THESE EXISTING CONDITIONS, ALONG WITH THE TYPE E BUFFER REQUIREMENT OF SHADE TREES EVERY 20 FEET, SHOULD REDUCE OUR VISIBILITY SUFFICIENTLY TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT.

I'VE GOT A SITE PLAN HERE. WE'VE RECEIVED WRITTEN COMMENT FROM ARE IN MCCORMICK CARTHY, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH. WE MET MR. MCCORMICK CARTHY LAST WEDNESDAY ON THE PROPERTY AND WALKED THE LINE WITH HIM AND SHOWED WHEN I AM H'M WHAT WE WANTED TODAY TO DO.

HE STATED HIS CONCERN THAT HE AND HE PROPOSED, AND WE AGREED TO A VIE BURNHAM HEDGE ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE THAT COULD GROW TALL ENOUGH TO BLOCK THE SLEW VIEW OF THE BUILDINGS FROM HIS PROPERTY. SO BETWEEN THE VIBURNAM HEDGE AND THE STRAYED TREES EVERY 20 FEET WE REALLY THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE US FROM OVER THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR A THIRD OF IN PROPERTY LINE. WE REALLY ONLY NEED A THIRD THAT OF PROPERTY LINE TO MAKE OUR SITE PLAN WORK. THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING ARE SET BACK AT LEAST 50 FEET FROM THAT LINE, SO I REALLY THINK THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS IS MINIMAL. IF I COULD KIND OF ADDRESS MR. MC CARTHY'S WRITTEN COMMENTS ONE AT A TIME, AS FAR AS FINDING BOAT AND RV STORAGE UNPLEASANT TO LOOK AT, I THINK WITH OUR DENSELY PLANTED BUFFERS I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

WE HAD A PRIOR USE ON THE PROPERTY, COMMERCIAL USE OF THE TREE CLEARING OPERATION WHICH WAS ACTUALLY BURNING TREES OUT THERE, SO THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE WEREN'T TOO HAPPY ABOUT THAT, EITHER. HIS SAYING THAT HE WOULD CERTAINLY DO THE SAME FOR US HAVING HIS BUILDINGS BACK 20 FEET, HE IS UNL UND NO OBLIGATION UNDER CI ZONING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THERE'S NO WAY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

WE HAVE AGREED TO THE HEDGE. THE 6-FOOT WOODEN FENCE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, NUMBER 1, WE MAINTAIN ANY SPHENSZ OUT . IT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTERESTS TO HAVE A FALLING-COUN DOWN FENCE ON OUR SECURITY FACILITY. WE COULD AGREE TO DO A CHAIN LINK FENCE OR SOMETHING OTHER

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LOOKING THROUGH THE EXISTING HEDGE ROW. THIS IS A CLOSE-UP OF IT.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE FROM THE BELL SIDE, AND THE BOTTOM ONE IS LOOKING FROM THE ROAD THROUGH

THE MCCARTHY PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, THEN, SO ON ITEM NUMBER 4 WE HAVE A REZONING.

IS THAT CORRECT? CAT MAN CHANGE, RATHER? ITEM NUMBER 5 IS INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER OF 10 FEET IN LIEU OF THE 20 SINCE THESE ARE THREE ITEMS TOGETHER HERE ESSENTIALLY.

THEN NUMBER 6 IS THE REZONING. AGREED? OKAY.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'LL BE HEARING ALL THREE OF THESE ESSENTIALLY AT THE SAME TIME. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BUT I'LL HOLD THEM UNTIL MY TURN HERE.

LET'S GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL LIST, SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR OTHERS

AND DECLARE EX PARTE AS WELL. DR. MCCORMICK. >> NO EX PAR DAY.

EX PARTE. I HAVE QUESTIONS BUT IT WILL DEAL NOT WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

4. >> WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THEMMAL TEG HERE SO LET'S -- THEM ALL

TOGETHER SO 4, 5 AND 6. >> MY QUESTION AGAIN GOES TO THE REDUCING THE FOOTAGE FROM AT AN.

THE APPLICANT -- FROM 20 TO 10 FEET. THE APPLICANT SAID HE WOULD DO THAT OR HE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT AND PUT IN THE PLANTINGS, THE HEDGE, RATHER, THAT HIS NEIGHBOR HAD REQUESTED. IS THAT A CONDITION ASSOCIATED WITH AGENDA ITEM 5?

>> DO YOU UNDERSTAND HIS QUESTION? >> YEAH.

WE'D HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT CONDITION. >> AT 20 FEET OR AT 10?

>> 10 FEET. 10 FEET WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT.

>> DO YOU HEAR THAT, BILL? IT'S NOT THE 20 FEET BUT 10. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, AND EX PARTE, PLEASE.

>> EX PARTE, I DID DRIVE BY THE SITE AND I WONDER, THE APPLICANT HAD STATED THAT HE AND HIS WIFE OWN ANOTHER STORAGE FACILITY. IS THAT THE STORAGE, RV AND BOAT STORAGE FACILITY DIRECTLY TO THE

NORTH OF THIS CURRENT PROPERTY? >> YES, IT IS. >> IT IS.

OKAY. >> AND WE HAVE A SECOND LOCATION ON -- I'M SORRY.

A SEC LOCATION ON COUNTY ROAD 210 EAST OF 95 AS WELL. >> AS WELL AS OTHERS.

OKAY. >> JUST THOSE TWO. >> WHEN A G CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY OWNER OBJECTS TO SOMETHING, THAT DEFINITELY GETS MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY SMALL SITE FOR A RV AND BOAT STORAGE FACILIT BASED ON OTHERS THAT I HAVE STEEN OR THAT HAVE PERSONALLY COME BEFORE THIS BOA. SO YOU'RE ONLY REQUESTING A THIRD OF THE PROPERTY ON THE BOUNDARY LINE TO HAVE A 10-FOOT BUFFER. WILL YOU COMMIT AND STIPULATE TO HAVING THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS, AND YOU SAID 50 FEET, SO THAT WOULD AVERAGE OUT TO ABOUT -- THAT WOULD AVERAGE OUT TO PROBABLY MORE THAN A 20-FOOT BUFFER.

IF YOU ONLY HAVE A 10-FOOT IN THE MIL PORTION AND THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS ARE 50 FEET, WOULD YOU STIPULATE TO THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF MIKE IS GOING TO APPRECIATE ME ASKING THAT QUESTION, BUT THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE.

>> YES. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR DRY REPONDS IN THIS.

-- RETENTION PONDS. IT WILL ALL BE GRASSED. AS LONG AS WE CAN USE THEM FOR THAT. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN WE'RE GOING WITH.

SO IF WE CAN GET 100 FEET OF BUILDINGS WITHIN 10 FEE OF LINE, WE'D BE OKAY.

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>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO -- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE RAISED SEPTIC TANK AND THE DRAIN FIELD OUT THERE AND THE SEPTIC TANK FOR THAT MOBILE HOME?

>> IT WILL ALL BE ABANDONED PER THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS.

>> I'M GOING TO RESERVE ANY FUTURE COMMENTS UNTIL HEREAFTER I HEAR THE SPEAKER, THE PUBLIC SPEAKER SPEAK ON IT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> . MR. WAINRIGHT?

>> OH, SORRY. >> ANY THOUGHTS OR EX PARTE TO DECLARE?

>> I HAVE NO EX PARTE. I'LL SAVE MY QUESTION UNTIL AFTER THE SPEAKER.

>> ME, I HAVE ONE. SO I SEE THE SITE PLAN THERE. ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE PROPERTY

TO THE WEST OF THIS IS GOING TO THAT A REZONING EFFORT AS WELL? >> YES.

>> SO IF YOU HOLD OFF, YOUR INCOMPATIBILITY MIGHT BE CHANGING, AT LEAST ON THAT SIDE

OF IT. >> YEAH, I THINK ALL THAT GAINS US.

WE'VE STILL GOT TO BE OFF THAT DITCH A LITTLE WAYS ANYWAY. I THINK WHAT THAT GAINS US IS WE DON'T HAVE TO PLANT TREES EVERY 20 FEET, WE HAVE TO PLANT THEM EVERY 50, AND WE STILL HAVE OUR

INCHES REQUIREMENT, INCHES PER ACRE. >> WE'LL LET STAFF THAN IS THAT,

TOO, THEN. >> JUSTIN KELLY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. THE THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST HAS HAIDL FILE FR A PRE-APPLICATION. NOT A REZONING. SO-FREE APPLICATION DOES NOT PER

REQUIRE THEM TO -- >> IT'S THE FIRST STEP. >> YES.

>> WHAT'S THE SEPARATION BETWEEN CI AND CI? >> CI ANDC CI AS FAR AS

COMPATIBILITY AND THE BUFFER GOES? >> YES.

>> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE -- >> IT WOULD BE NONE, RIGHT?

IT WOULD BE ON THAT CHART? IT WAS IN HERE SOMEWHERE. >> CORRECT.

IT WOULD BE NONE. >> NONE BEING ZERO, LIKE IT WOULD BE BUILT TO THE PROPERTY

LINE? >> THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

>> FOR THE BUILDING? >> YES. >> WHAT IS WHAT OFF THE TOP OF

YOUR HEAD? >> I BELIEVE ON THAT SIDE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED --

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE BACK OR THE FRONT. >> IT WOULD BE EITHER 10 OR 15.

15. 15. >> IF IT'S REAR?

>> NO, I THINK IT'S 10. IT'S 10 OR 5. BECAUSE I KNOW THE BUILDINGS ARE ON THERE. THE BUILDING ALL MEET THE CI ZONING SETBACK.

IT'S JUST THE BUFFER THAT'S THE ISSUE. >> THEN WE'LL CALL IT 10.

>> SO YOUR SETBACKS FOR CI ARE 15 FEET FOR THE FRONT, 5 FEET FOR THE SIDE, AND 10 FEET FOR

REAR. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO MY POSITION IS, IS THAT YOU'RE, AMONGST OTHER THINGS, YOU'RE REQUESTING TO RED ZONE AT THE CI WHICH IS THE MOST INTENSIVE ZONING THIS COUNTY HA HAS.

AND WHILE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT SOME COVERED STORAGE ON THERE TODAY, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE IN THE FUTURE. AND SO IN MY POSITION, MY PERSONAL OPINION, EIGHT FOOT DOESN'T CUT IT WITH RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THAT OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY STREET THERE.

I THINK -- BECAUSE THIS THING COULD BE ANYTHING. THIS THING COULD BE A MINE.

IT COULD BE A BUNCH OF CRAZY THINGS THAT CI ALLOWS. AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO RESPECT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT BUFFER BECAUSE THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND WILL PROBABLY ALWAYS BE RESIDENTAL IN THAT NEW TOWN AREA. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

WE'LL SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS. UP NEXT IS MS. PERKINS.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY EX PARTE OR QUESTIONS, BUT I DO LIVE IN THE AREA.

THE HISTORIC FACILITY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS NOT AN EYESORE.

IT LOOKS VERY NICE. I THINK THIS ONE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A COVERED STORAGE

AREA WITHIN OUR AREA. SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

MR. ALAIMO. >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE NO EX PARTE OR NO

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. MR. MATOVINA.

>> I HAVE NO EX PARTE, AND MY ONLY QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT THE 8-FOOT BUFFER

ALONG OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CODE. >> THAT'S FOR STAFF THEN.

THANK YOU. THIS IS WHAT THE "JEOPARDY!" MUSIC PLAYS.

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>> YES. WE APPROACHED THE NEIGHBORS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED. CROSSING THE DOT DITCH WOULD BE AN ISSUE AS WELL.

>> YES. THERE IS A DITCH THAT RUNS BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.

IT'S ABOUT A 3-FOOT DEEP DITCH, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT GOES, BUT IT WOULD BE A BARRIER.

>> MR. KELLY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUSTIN KELLY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT AGAIN. SO THE 8-FOOT BUFFER THAT IS LISTED ON THE SITE PLAN IS LISTED THERE IS FOR AING LANDSCAPE BUFFER. THERE'S NO BUFFER REQUIREMENT ALONG THE STREET THERE, ALONG OLD DIXIE. SO THE 8-FOOT BUFFER LABELED ON THERE IS FOR LANDSCAPING. SO THERE'S NO BUFFER REQUIREMENT ALONG THAT AREA.

>> IT'S THE PERIMETER BUFFER, RIGHT? >> LET ME BACK UP SO I IN THE CI ZONING THERE'S NO BUFFER REQUIREMENT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> THERE WOULD BE NO BUFFER RIRNLT ALONG THE ROADWAY. THE ROADWAY BREAKS ADD JAY SAENZ WITH DIFFERENT PARCELS ACROSS THE ROADWAY SO THERE WOULD BE NO BUFFER AND SCREENING REQUIREMENT ALONG THAT ROADWAY. THE ONLY THING HE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET HAD TO BE THE ADDITIONAL CODES AND RV AND BOAT STORAGES THAT SAY IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST SCREENED WITH EVER GREEN PLANTS AS WELL AS A WALL, A WOODEN FENCE IN THIS CASE IS WHAT I BELIEVE HE'S PROPOSING, SO IT WILL BE AT LEAST 75%. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ALONG

THAT ROADWAY. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MR. MATOVINA IS THAT ANSWER ACCEPTABLE? >> YES, IT IS.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK UP AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS? >> YES, SIR. >> WE DO?

>> AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO GET CLOSER TO BEING RIGHT. MR. ANDY ZEECHEF.

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO PRONOUNCE IT ANY BETTER. >> IF YOU WILL GIVE US YOUR

ADDRESS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> I'M SANDY SUESHUAI A LIVE AT 26 TRAS WHICH IS IN KNOCK A TEE WHICH IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, AND I'M HERE JUST TO EXPRESS A LITTLE CONCERN. YEP, RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU'RE CIRCLING.

JUST REALLY THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE CAUSED. THERE IS THAT STORAGE RIGHT NOW, AND DESPITE HE SAID IT'S LIGHT TRAFFIC, THERE IS TRAFFIC AT 4:00, 5:00 IN THE MORNING.

THEY COME PICK UP THEIR TRAILERS, WHATEVER IT IS. AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE ASKING FOR IF POS TO HAVE A BUSINESS HOURS NOTHING PAST 10:00.

MAYBE A 20-FOOT EASEMENTS OFF THE ROAD SO THIS WAY THERE'S SOME BUFFER.

REQUESTING SOME SHORT TREES FROM THE START, NOT 3-FOOT AND 35 YEARS LATER IT WOULD BE 25 FEET.

THAT'S BASICALLY IT. THAT'S ALL I OUR CONCERNS WERE BECAUSE WE LIVE LOTTERY HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WE HEAR EVERYTHING THAT'S OVER THERE. WHAT'S ABOUT TO COME IS A WHOLE

LOT MORE OF IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ONLINE? >> APPARENTLY NOT.

>> I SEE TWO UP HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ONLINE, SIR?

>> YES. >> OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS NICOLE SEESHANE I LIVE ON 73 WHISTLER TRACE BOULEVARD PONTE VEDRA, FLORIDA.

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MY PEAR IS REALLOWING THE REZONING FROM RURAL TO A MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WILL BRING IN MORE TRAFFIC, NOISE AND ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION.

LAND THAT IS ZONED RURAL AND ARE DESIGNED TO PROTECT OPEN LAND. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECT IT HAS ON DEVELOPING THAT AREA. I UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVE BEHIND THE REQUEST. I GET IT. THE OWNER IS TRYING TO EXPAND THEIR STORAGE BUSINESS. BUT AT THE COST OF POSSIBLY THE ENVIRONMENT AND ALSO DEPRECIATING JANET RESIDENTIAL T RESIDENTIAL HOME VALUES. THEIRIM GAIN COMMENTS A MANY HOMEOWNERS' EXPENSE. SO IT'S NOT JUST A EXUM IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP YOU HAVE THERE, THAT WHOLE SIDE OF KNOCK A TEE WHICH IS CALLED GREEN LEAF VILLAGE, YOU HAVE PROSPECT, WHISTLER AND THEN PARTS OF HANDLED DRIVE. SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT IT WILL BE AFFECTING. IT WOULD ALSO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE OF THAT AREA THAT IT IS COMPRISED TODAY. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AS WE STATED EARLIER, THOSE SURROUNDING PARCELS THAT ARE WEST AND EAST, THERE'S SO MUCH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS IT IS TODAY. WE ARE TALKING A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, 1.16 ACRES TO BE EXACT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T KEEP SOMETHING THAT SMALL, KEEP IT AS RURAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A MOTIVE BEHIND IT, BUT THIS LAND WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED RURAL AND THE OWNER KNEW OF THIS ZONING AND NOW CHANGING IT FOR GAIN IS AT THE CONSEQUENCES OF MANY RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS. IT COMES AT A COST.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS ONLINE? >> NO.

I'M SORRY. >> IS THAT TRUE? ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC

SPEAKERS ONLINE? >> ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE? >> YES.

DR. THAT KATELLA. >> GO AHEAD, PLEASE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD. >> YES, DR. KATELLA 64 WHISTLER TRACE.

AND I JUST AM CALLING FOR CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION.

THIS IS A CURRENT STORAGE FACILITY OVER THERE, AND WE EXPERIENCE BOTH OF THOSE SCENARIOS WITH THAT. SO I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED WITH AN INCREASE WITH THE OUTSIDE LIGHTING AND ENGINES RUNNING OR WHATEVER THE NOISE POLLUTION MAY BE.

>> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? >> NO, THAT'S IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE ONLINE? HELLO? >> NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT

THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT THEN. AND IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD AND ADDRESS ANY OF THE QUESTIONS HE WOULD CARE TO OR COMMENTS FROM

THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. >> JUST YOUR COMMENT FIRST, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THE ROADSIDE OF OUR PROJECT HAS A 15-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK AND . ACROSS THE ROAD ON THE GREEN LEAF VILLAGE SIDE THERE'S A 10-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS WELL THAT THE DEVELOPER PUT IN THERE WHEN GREEN LEAF WAS BUILT. SO I THINK EVEN WITH A -- YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, THIS BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE, YOU'RE STILL 15 FEET OFF THE ROAD WITH THE BUFFER ON THE HOUSES SIDE. AS FAR AS THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, WE APPRECIATE HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS. WE'VE BEEN THERE 12 YEARS AND WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. I WISH WE HAD KNOWN SOONER. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, WE'RE ADDING 32 SPACES. OUR CURRENT FACILITY IS 230 SPACES.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

WE ALSO -- I WILL ADD WE PAVED OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY IN 2014 AT OUR EXPENSE.

WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK OUT OF THAT EXPENDITURE.

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ALL THE LIGHTING WILL BE INTERNAL. THE BUILDING -- IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN FOR A MINUTE, ALL THE LIGHT IS GOING TO BE INTERNAL ON THE GABLES OF THE BUILDINGS POINTED IN. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ON THE KEYPAD IMROWTDZ I DON'T HAVE MY LIGHTING PLAN OUT YET. WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THE NEIGHBORS INTO ACCOUNT ON LIGHT.

AND ALSO THE COUNTY'S GOT A LIGHT ORDINANCE ANYWAY ANYE CAN'T HAVE THAT LIGHT OVERSPILLAGE. AS FAR AS BUFFERING, WE COULD PLANT SOME MORE TREES.

I THINK PLANTING TREES ON THE GREEN LEAF VILLAGE SIDE OF THE OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE POWER LINES ARE OVER THERE SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT UP LIVE OAK OR ANYTHING REALLY TALL ON THAT SIDE. WE COULD COMMIT TO PUT SOME MORE TREES ALONG OUR FRONT FENCE, WE COULD FILL IN THE GAPS THERE AND TO A 20-FOOT SPACING OUR OUR SITE HERE AND WE COULD PUT SOME TREES ON OUR SIDE IN FRONT OF OUR FENCE ON YOUR EXISTING FACILITY IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO -- TO LIMIT OUR EXPOSURE OVER THERE.

BUT OUR EXISTING FACILITY HAS BEEN THERE FOR 12 YEARS.

>> OKAY. WE'LL GO BACK THROUGH THE LIST AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. DR. MCCORMICK. BILL, ARE YOU THERE?

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE TO DR. HYMNAL. >> YES, I'M HERE --

DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES, I'M HERE. WHERE ARE WE?

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> OH, OKAY.

I HAVE NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I'M SORRY. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF SELLING MY HOUSE AND SO I'VE GOT ALL KIND

OF STUFF GOING ON HERE. >> SORRY WE DISTURBED YOU. >> I'M HERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I THINK MUSIC, MIKE, THE CHR OBSERVATION, YOUR COMMENT THAT REZONING THIS TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, BEING THE MOST -- THE HIGH LEVELS THAT WE CAN REZONE A PROPERTY, AND WHAT CAN BE THERE IN THE FUTURE, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THIS APPLICANT HAS A HISTORY OF BEING IN BOAT, RV AND OTHER STORAGE AS HIS BUSINESS, THAT DOES CONCERN ME, WHAT MIGHT BE ON THAT PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.

NONE OF US ARE GOING TO BE AROUND FOREVER. BUT IF I LIVED IN GREEN LEAF, PARTICULARLY RIGHT THERE ON PROSPECT AVENUE OR PROSPECT LANE, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS GOING IN BEHIND MY HOUSE. THOSE HOUSES --

YOU'RE CUTTING OUT. >> I WAS SAYING HOW CLOSE THE HOUSES BACK UP TO OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY HELP, THOSE HOUSES ON GREENLEAF, BUT THEN I NOTED THE APPLICANT STATED HE HAS HIS CURRENT BOAT AND RV STORAGE FACILITY TO THE NORTH HAD BEEN THERE FOR 12 YEARS AND HE HAD NOT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS. THAT'S AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. WAINRIGHT.

>> YES. I WANTED TO HEAR ANYONE WHO WANTED TO COMMENT ON IT BEFORE I ASKED MY QUESTION AND COMMENT. MY FIRST CONCERNS WERE ABOUT SCREENING AND THE NOISE PROBLEM AND THE VISUAL PROBLEM. BUT THAT'S OVERCOME BY -- WHEN I LOOK AT THE CHANGES IN THE PERMITTED USES, HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL, HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL VERSUS WHAT THEY ARE NOW, THAT IS DRAMATIC.

THAT WILL AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WILL EFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT A DOUBT. AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME CLIMBING OVER THE PURLD HAD Y

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GIVEN THOSE ZONING 10 THE HURDLE GIVEN THOSE ZONING CHANGES. >> OKAY.

MY TURN. FOR THE SAME REASON ARCHIE JUST MENTIONED, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO CONDITIONALLY ZONE THIS AS WHAT YOU HAVE IT AS RIGHT NOW. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT HAVING THIS INTERNAL IS A GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ALL THE TRAFIC AND SORT OF NOISE AND LIGHTING. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S CI AND YOU CAN BUILD ALMOST ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF IN CI IT'S NOT COMPAT YOU WILL BE THEN, A STONE'S THROW FROM A

LARGE RESIDENTIAL AREA. >> OUR EXISTING FACILITY IS ZONED CI.

>> IT IS? >> YES. >> GREAT.

THEN YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT THERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP YOU.

>> YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OTHER ONES. FOR US TO DO BOAT AND RV STORES WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THERE'S VERY LIMITED ZONING DESIGNATIONS WE CAN DO.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE DIRECTED TOWARDS THIS ONE. >> OKAY.

MS. PERKINS. >> NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> ALL RIGHT. MR. ALAIMO. >> YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

LIKE YOU AND ARCHIE, I KIND OF ECHO THOSE COMMENTS. I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO CONDITIONALLY ZONE IT, BUT WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL OF THESE RV AND BOAT STORAGES COME THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR HERE. SEEMS LIKE QUITE A BIT OF THEM HAVE COME THROUGH.

I DO SEE THE NEED WITH ALL OF THE BUILDING AND FOLKS COMING HERE AND WANTING TO STORE THEIR BOAT AND RV. I CERTAINLY GET IT. BUT T.CI, WHAT IS COMING IN MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE. IF THERE WAS A WAY TO KENNEL ZONE IT, ABOUT IT KIND OF SHARE

YOU AND ARCHIE'S COMMENTS. >> AND MR. MATOVINA. IN.

>> I'M WITH THE GROUP PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME BOAT? IS THERE A WAY TO CONDITIONAL

ZONE IT? >> I DON'T KNOW. YOU HAVE TO ASK ALICE.

THE APPLICANT IS ASKING CAN WE KENNEL ZONE THE PROPERTY. >> YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CAN BE KEN

ZONE THE PROPERTY. >> YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE THINGS YOU HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND SEE IF HE AGREES, AS WE SAID IN THE PRIOR REZONING, OR THE PRIOR ITEM. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY.

I CAN TALK TO THAT. AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REZONING, CORRECT?

, TO , TO THE BOARD. >> SO TO THE APPLICANT, THEN, AGAIN WE DON'T -- WE GIVE YOU OUR OPINIONS, SEVEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

THERE'S AN ATTORNEY BACK THERE. BUT I THINK IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE SAID, I MEAN, AND COME BACK, I DON'T LIKE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD HERE, BUT I TINK YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. MAYBE IT DOES GET APPROVED, BUT

THAT DECISION IS YOURS. I DON'T WANT TO -- YOU KNOW. >> BEFORE I KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK I'D WANT TO KNOW IF A CONDITIONAL ZONING WOULD ALLEVIATE -- WOULD GET

APPROVED. >> IN ME PERSONALLY, YES, IT WOULD.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS LIST, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SEE IF CONDITIONALLY THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. IF IT WAS ZONED WHATEVER. BUT IT IS A STORAGE, ENCLOSED STORAGE PARK AT TODAY'S DATE, AND IF YOU WANTED TO PUT IN ANY NUMBER OF ONE OF THESE INCOMPATIBLE USES THERE IN THE FUTURE, YOU'D HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY COME TO THIS BOARD AGAIN AND CHANGE IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LIST. IF THIS WAS A SPOT ZONING BEING ONLY ALLOWED FOR AN INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY, AS THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN US, WOULD YOU BE MORE WILLING TO APPROVE

THIS? MR. MCCORMICK OR DR. MCCORMICK? >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. DR. HILSENBECK? >> I WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO APPROVE IT, BUT MIGHT I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. I BELIEVE HE STATED THAT HAS THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CURRENT OWNER AND OCCUPANT OF THE PROPERTY WHO HAS LIVED ON IT FOR 50 YEARS, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT HE -- THE APPLICANT DOES NOTE NOW OWN THE

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REQUEST. >> WE DO NOT CURRENTLY OWN THE PROPERTY.

>> DID YOU HEAR THAT, DR. HILSENBECK? >> YES, I DID.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DID HEAR IT. THANK YOU.

>> . >> ALL RIGHT. MR. WAINRIGHT.

>> LET'S SEE. IT SEEMS TO ME, AND I'M NOT STANDING IN YOUR SHOES, THE FAIREST AND MOST BALANCED WAY OUT OF THIS IS TO TAKE THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. YOU PROBABLY HAVE COMPREHENSIVE POWERS BEYOND MY OWN BECAUSE I'M THE SLOAS IN THE GROUP HERE. D. -- SLOWEST IN THE GROUP HERE. THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON HERE FOR ME TO DECIDE IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES. I WOULD VOTE NO ON ANYTHING NOW AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I WOULD WANT TIME TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF CHANGING ON A SPOT BASIS THE ZONING. I'M NOT IN YOUR SHOES, BUT IF I WERE IN YOUR SHOES, I WOULD TAKE THE TIME -- IT'S NOT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

>> ALL RIGHT. MS. PERKINS. >> I'D BE FINE WITH THE

CONDITIONAL ZONING. >> THANK YOU. MR. ALAIMO.

>> I WOULD BE FINE WITH THE CONDITIONAL ZONING AS WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU. MR. MATOVINA. >> YEAH, I WOULD BE FINE WITH CONDITIONAL ZONINGS. I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER HOURS OF OPERATION IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING USE LIMITATIONS, BUT I WOULD BE FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH IT TODAY,, QUITE FRANKLY, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A DECISION

TODAY. >> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIR.

>> ALICE. >> BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON THIS, WOULD YOU MIND IF WE TOOK JUST A FEW MINUTES TO CHECK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THERE IS PERHAPS ANOTHER ZONING CATEGORY THAT WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTABLE RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO A CONDITIONAL ZONING, IF WE HAD A FEW MOMENTS

TO DO THAT? WOULD THAT BE GREEBEL? >> THAT'S AGREEABLE TO ME.

I WOULD SAY WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE LIST AS A CONDITIONAL ZONING, NOT AS ANOTHER ZONING, SO IF IT'S A LESSER ZONING CATEGORICAL, IN MY EYES, THE LESSER OF THE EVIL IS THERE AS YOU CONDITIONAL. IT STILL NEEDS TO BE CONDITIONAL IS WHAT I JUST HEARD FROM SEVEN

PEOPLE HERE. >> BUT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T, THE MOST INTENSIVE THAT

THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL ALSO IF WE HAVE A FEW MOMENTS TO DO THAT. >> SURE.

ALL RIGHT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS BRADLEY BULTHUIS ALSO WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKING WITH ALICE ON THIS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLEAR, OF COURSE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL ZONING, AND I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT CONTINUING THE ITEM, AND IF IT IS CONTINUED, OF COURSE, THE AGENCY'S DECISION WOULD BE MADE AT THAT TIME ON WHAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE IT, AND, OF COURSE, THE BOARD GAVE ITS SENSE RIGHT NOW, BUT NOT HAVING A REAL PROPOSAL BEFORE THE BOARD, WHAT IT CHOOSES AT THE TIME WHEN IT ACTUALLY IS CONTINUED WOULD BE THE BOARD'S FINAL DECISION.

>> MY ONLY COMMENT WAS IN PUSHING TO PUSH THIS OFF WAS THAT ALL THE DUCKS LINED UP.

THE ADVERTISING IS CORRECT. IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

RATHER THAN US TRY AND DO IT IN FIVE, TEN MINUTES HERE. AND I'M NOT STRIKE TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS THING COME BACK AND CLOG UP OUR CALENDAR AGAIN BUT I WANT THIS DONE CORRECTLY, AND I LEAVE IT UP TO YOU AND STAFF TO FIGURE

OUT HOW TO DO THAT CORRECTLY. >> WE'RE TRYING TO MEET WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE.

IF IT'S CONDITIONAL, WE CAN WORK THIS W. THAT, I BELIEVE GLEETS TAKE A TEN-MINUTE RECESS

WE'LL MEET HERE THREAT:15. >> I'M GOING TO GET BACK TO THE MEETING HERE.

IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD. SO THERE WAS A HUDDLE OVER THER THERE. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO TODAY.

>> WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO DO A CONDITIONAL CI ZONING AND STRIKE OUT THE WORST OF THE WORST AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD SOMETHING THAT'S

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NOT GOING TO BE A BAD THING. >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> BEFORE THE APPLICANT DID INDICATE THEY WANTED TO DEFER.

THEY WERE GOING TO ASK FOR SOME SPECIFIC DATES THAT THAT DEFERRAL OCCURRED.

IF WE COULD SHARE THOSE WITH YOU AS WELL. >> SURE.

>> AND IF THE APPLICANT AGREES. WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NOVEMBER 3RD PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND THE DECEMBER 1ST BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

>> THE WE'RE GOING TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH THE PZA. THAT'S ALL WE CAN FOCUS ON.

>> MR. CHAIR, TO BE CLEAR WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ALL THREE ITEMS.

WE WON'T DECIDE ON ANY TODAY. >> CAN WE PACKAGE THOSE TOGETHER OR WUD SHOULD WE DO THOSE

INDEPENDENTLY FOR MOTIONS? LET'S DO THEM INDEPENDENTLY. >> THERE YOU GO.

SHOW TO SUMMARIZE THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO DEFER HIS THREE APPLICATIONS BEFORE US TODAY ITEMS 4, 5 AND 6 I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT UPON THAT IN

TERMS OF THE LORD. >> AND WHEN A MOTION IS MADE IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT A DATE

CERTAIN BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> I'D OVER A MOTION TO DEFER THIS UNTIL DECEMBER 3RD TO HEAR ALL THESE THREE ITEMS

TOGETHER. >> ITEM NUMBER 41ST WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM INDEPENDENTLY JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. TO REPHRASE THAT, ITEM NUMBER 4, YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND DEFERRAL TO NOVEMBER 3RD FOR THE PZA HEARING.

>> CORRECT. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER AGENCY

MEMBERS ON THE LINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SECOND IN. >> MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE.

BELIEVE IT'S INNOVATOR 5TH. IT'S A THURSDAY. >> OKAY.

-- NOVEMBER 5TH. IT'S A THURSDAY. >> ARCHIE, WOULD YOU LOOK TO

AMEND YOUR MOTION TO NOVEMBER 5TH? >> YES.

THAT'S THE SEC MISTAKE I'VE MADE SINCE 1953. SO WE WILL CHANGE THAT DATE.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NOVEMBER 5TH FOR THE PZA HEARING.

WE HAD SOMEBODY ON THE LINE? >> YEAH. THIS IS DR. MCCORMICK.

I SAID I'D SECOND IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. WAINRIGHT, A SECOND FROM DR. MCCORMICK TO DEFER ITEM NUMBER 4 TO NOVEMBER 5TH. WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST AND

VOTE UPON THAT. DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES. >> MR. WAINRIGHT.

>> YES. I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD.

DID YOU SAY MR. ALAIMO OR MR. WAINRIGHT? >> MR. WAINRIGHT, HOW DO YOU

VOTE? >> I VOTE YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER VOTES YES.

MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> THANK YOU FOR NOT GIVING ME ANY TROUBLE LIKE MR. WAINRIGHT DOES. MR. ALAIMO.

>> YES. >> AND MR. MATOVINA. >> YES.

>> OKAY. MOTION UNANIMOUS 7-0 TO DEFER. ARCHIE, WHILE YOU'RE ON A ROLL,

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE SAME MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 5. >> SAME MOTION.

SAME DATE, I'M NUMBER 5. >> IS THAT ADEQUATE FROM AN ATTORNEY STANDPOINT?

>> LET'S BE MENTION ITEM NUMBER 5 IS FOR THE ZONING VARIANCE FOR BELL COVERED STORAGE.

>> FOR THE ZONING VARIANCE FOR THE COVERED STORAGE. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S GO THROUGH THE LIST OF ROLL CALL.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> YES. >> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES.

>> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES. MS. PERKINS. >> YES.

>> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES. >> AND MR. MATOVINA.

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION CARRIES ON ITEM

NUMBER 5. ITEM NUMBER 6. >> THE SAME MOTION WITH THE REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO --

>> TO NOVEMBER 5TH. >> TO DEFER IT TO THAT DATE IN NOVEMBER.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. >> THANK YOU.

MOVE THROUGH THE LIST. DR. MCCORMICK, HOW SAY YOU? >> APPROVE.

>> DR. HINGES. >> HILSENBECK. >> YES.

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>> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES.

MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO.

>> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA. >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION CARRIES IN AN UNANIMOUS.

BY THE WAY, THERE IS AN EXCELLENT REPORT, IT'S CALLED PHASE 1 CULTURAL RESOURCE ASSESSMENT SURVEY OF THE BELL RV AND BOAT STORAGE PARCEL. THIS IS DONE SUPER DUPER WELL BY DANA STAIN CLARE AND IT'S A GREAT BACKLOG OF THE HISTORY OF FLORIDA AS WELL AS THIS PRECISE PARCEL AND THE AREA. I'M KEEPING IT. IT'S SO GREAT.

>> I'M GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT. >> THANK YOU. A LOT OF DRY READS IN SOME OF THOSE. THAT WAS ITEMS NUMBER 4, 5, 6. ITEM NUMBER 7 AND 8 AGAIN WILL

[Items 7 & 8]

I SEE APPLICANT, MR. WELCH UP HERE? PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>> RICK WOMEN HAVE WITH CONLY WICKER I ADDRESS IS 1160S. SKINNER LAKE DRIVE, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, WE ARE PRESENTING ON THE 4560 RACE TRACK ROAD PUD FOR BOTH THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND ALSO FOR THE MAJOR MODIFICATION. IS ON TO COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS BASICALLY TO ALLOW FOR UP TO 170,000 SQUARE FEET AS OPPOSED TO JUST 90,000 SQUARE FEET.

FOR THE MAJOR MOD IT ALSO HAS A SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE CHANGE. OF COURSE, WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING TO PHASING AND THEN BUILD-OUT DATES TO BASICALLY ADD SOME FLEXIBILITY AND TIMING OF IT SO THAT THE DATES ARE FIVE YEARS OUT FROM WHERE THEY WERE FROM THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL.

IT WILL ALLOW FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF INDOOR MINI STORAGE OR PERSONAL STORAGE, AND THEN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS BEEN CHANGED TO THE MORE FLEXIBLE. AS THE CURRENT OWNER IS NOT A DEVELOPER, THEY'RE JUST PREPARING THE SITE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FROM 2017 DID HAVE TWO WAIVERS ON IT. ONE WAS TO MINIMIZE THE PLANTING OF TREES ALONG THE JEA POWER LINE, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS TO HAVE TWO SIGNAGE AREAS ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF FRONTAGE OVER 1,000 FEET.

SO WITH THIS WE'RE ASKING FOR FOUR WAIVERS BUT THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF ONE AND THE SAME IN THAT THEY'RE ALL -- WE HAVE CHANGED THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE GENERAL IN NATURE AND ALLOW FOR INCREMENTAL APPROVALS. AND SO THE FIRST WAIVER IS TO NOT SHOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THE BUILDINGS, AND SO FORTH. THE SECOND WAIVER, NEW WAIVER IS PARKING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE OR WE EVEN WHAT THE PRECISE USE WOULD BE.

SO IF THEY HAVE MINI STORAGE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE MUCH LESS DU BUT YOU HAVE MORE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AS AN EXAMPLE. AS FAR AS INTERNAL VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN ROUTES, THOSE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE DETERMINED WITH THE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES FORWARD. AND FINALLY, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES WOULD ALSO BE SHAPED TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THE APPLICATION, AS -- I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S ALL THE SAME OF WHAT I'VE JUST STATED. IT IS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS BEEN MOD NIDE TO TAKE OUT MUCH OF THEY DETAIL THAT WAS IN THE 2017 APPROVAL. WE'RE SHOWING ALL THE REQUIRED BUFFERS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. SO THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE SHOWS IT AS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. THAT WILL REMAIN AS SHOWN HERE. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PUD.

THAT WILL REMAIN THE SAME. IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THE PROJECT WILL GENERATE UP TO 173 ADDITIONAL TRIPS. IT'S LOCATED RIGHT ON RACE TRACK ROAD.

IT HAS THE CAPACITY FOR THESE TRIPS. THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A SITE-SPECIFIC OR CONSTRUCTION PLANS READY TO GO, WE'LL WILL BE TO BE EVALUATD AT THAT TIME. IT IS NOTED THAT IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 300 TRIPS, A DETAILED TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE REQUIRED. IT'S EXEMPT FROM THE SCHOOL, WATER, SEWER, SOLID WASTE AND FIRE SERVICES ALL OF CAPACITY FOR THIS PROJECT

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TO THE WEST SIDE OF ST. JOHNS PARKWAY THERE'S A CURRENT PROJECT BEING BUILT, COMMERCIAL PROJECT. AND THEN THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILE TO THE EAST IS DURBIN PARK.

SO WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT'S DEVELOPING INTO KIND OF THE SERVICE AREA FOR ALL THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY. WE DO HAVE SOME ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS BUT THEY ARE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF RACE TRACK ROAD SO ERRS THERE'S PLENTY OF BUFFER WHERE THIS PROJECT WOULD BE AND ANY OTHER OF THE COMMERCIAL USES WE WOULD BRING IN. TOTE SOUTH OF US IT'S RURAL BUT IT'S A BORROW PIT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OR USES. AS FAR AS ACCESS GOES, WE'RE RIGHT ON RACE TRACK ROAD, JUST A SHORT DISTANCE TO ST. JOHNS PARKWAY TO THE WEST, AND THEN 9D AND 95 ARE NOT -- I THINK IT'S ABOUT A MILE TO 9B AND THEN NOT MUCH FURTHER TO I-95 TO THE EAST. SO YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PUD.

WE'VE GOT AN AREA TO THE SOUTH THAT IS THE BORROW PIT. THE PUDES NORTH OF RACE TRACK ROAD IS RESIDENTIAL AND THE PUDS TO THE WEST ARE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS OR MULTI-NAME. -- MULTI-FAMILY. THIS IS TABULATING ALL OF THOSE USES ON THOSE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES. SO WE WERE BEFORE THIS BOARD IN MAY TO GET RECOMMENDED FOR THE TRANSMITTAL, AND THEN ON JULY 7TH WITH THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IT WENT TO THE STATE REGION, REGIONAL AGENCIES. NO COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED.

WE HELD OR NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING IN MAY. WE HAD ONE RESIDENT IN ATTENDANCE, REALLY JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. THEY HAD NO CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT. IN SPEAKING TO STAFF LAST WEEK, THERE WAS NO COMMUNITY COMMENT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGAIN, TO THE AGENCY MEMBERS, WE'RE HEARING BOTH ITEMS NUMBER 7 AND 8 AT THE SAME TIME HERE. LET'S GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AND TO DECLARE ANY EX PARTE. DR. MCCORMICK.

>> NO EX PARTE, NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> CONSIDERING EX PARTE I DID DRIVE BY THE SITE YESTERDAY, BUT

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. MR. WAINRIGHT.

>> NO EX PARTE. MR. WOMEN WELCH, HELP ME UND, FITTING -- THE WAY THIS WILL APPEAR TO FOLKS ALONG THE ROAD THERE WITH RESPECT TO ACTIVITY TO THE SOUTHEAST ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD AND TO THE NORTH, WHAT WILL YOU DO SO THAT THIS LOOKS NOT NECESSARILY UNIFORM TO

EVERYONE BUT ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE ALONG THE ROAD? >> WELL, WE WERE MEETING ALL THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD. IN 2017 WHEN WE CAME THROUGH, WE ACTUALLY, THE THE THOUGHT WAS IT WOULD BE A SMALL REGIONAL OR A SMALL SHOPPING CENTER MAYBE ANCHORED BY SPECIALTY GROCER WITH SOME OUTPARCELS, MAYBE STARBUCKS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT THE MARKET WAS LOOKING FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY, AND SO THE OWNER HAS REQUESTED THIS SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK. THEY'RE LOOKING AT SELLING IT BASICALLY TO A DEVELOPER WHO WILL COME BACK AND MEET ANY COUNTY REQUIREMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE I ANSWERED YOUR

QUESTION. >> WELL, YOU ANSWERED IT, IT SEEMS TO ME, IF I WERE STANDING

OVER THERE. THAT'S THE BEST I COULD DO, YES. >> I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE AND COMPARABLE TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THAT AREA.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF FIRST.

IS THERE A CAP ON SQUARE FOOTAGE BY ACRE? IF SO, WHAT IS THAT?

>> MR. CHAIR, IN COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IT'S 12,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE.

>> AND JUST DOING THE MATH, IS THAT WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE $170,000?

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>> YES, SIR, IT IS. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND LIKE I SAID THE LAST, WE LOVE TO SEE SITE PLANS LIKE ON THE LAST APPLICATION TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND WHAT'S THE PROPOSED USE THERE. YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO

PROVIDE US? >> I DON'T. I MEAN, THIS REALLY IS ABOUT PROVIDING FLEXIBILITY SO THAT THE ULTIMATE DEVELOPER HAS -- THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SITE PLANS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW AND POSSIBLY BEFORE BOARDS DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY DO. SO WE WILL BE COMING BACK THROUGH.

>> IT WON'T BE COMING BACK HERE THOUGH. >> TRUE.

>> IT WILL BE GOING THROUGH STAFF. >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. MS. PERKINS? >> NO EX PARTE, COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. MR. ALAIMO.

>> NO EX PARTE, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. >> AND MR. MATOVINA.

>> NO EX PARTE, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

VERY SIMPLE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. APPLICANT, UNLESS

YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD. >> I HAVE NO MORE. >> STAFF? I SEE ALL THE STAFF OVER THERE NOW. ANYTHING ELSE? SORRY. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT --

ARCHIE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS IN. >> NO.

>> WE HAVE NONE. ON THE INTERNET AND THE WORLD BOUNCING AROUND THE SKY, DO WE

HAVE ANYONE ONLINE? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

>> ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR

COMMENTS? OR A MOTION? >> MR. CHAIR, YOU MAY HAVE NOTED THAT THE ITEMS WERE FLIPPED IN THE AGENDA, SO THE MOTION FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT WILL GO

FIRST AND THEN THE MAJOR MODIFICATION. >> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBER 8, THEN. SO NUMBER 8 GOES FIRST, IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. GOT THE HEAD NOD. ALL RIGHT.

THEN IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR OF THE STAFF, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 8 FIRST, WHICH IS THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

>> I'LL OFFER A MOTION. >> PLEASE DO. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO ADOPT COMP PLAN 2020-04, 4560 RACE TRACK ROAD BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALAIMO GETS THE SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL VOTE. DR. MCCORMICK.

>> APPROVE. >> DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES.

>> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES.

MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO.

>> YES. >> AND MR. MATOVINA. >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS. I'M NOW LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON I'M NUMBER 7, WHICH IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR MOD.

ARCHIE, I SEE YOUR LIGHT ON. >> I DON'T HEAR A LOT OF NOISE. I DON'T HEAR.

MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2020-03, 4560 RACE TRACK ROAD PUD BASED ON SIX

FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> MEGAN BEAT YOU TO THE PUNCH.

WE HAVE A MOWING TO APPROVE AND A SECOND GOING THROUGH THE ROLL CALL VOTE ONCE AGAIN,

DR. MCCORMICK. >> APPROVE. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> YES. >> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES.

>> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES. MS. PERKINS. >> YES.

>> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES. >> AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST,

MR. MATOVINA. >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT.

THAT IS ALL FOR OUR ITEMS ON THE BIG PART OF THE AGENDA. STAFF REPORTS?

[Staff Reports]

ANYTHING FUN? >> NO, SIR, JUST THE ONLY THING TO JUST LET YOU KNOW YOUR NEXT MEETING I BELIEVE IS OCTOBER 20TH. THAT IS A THURSDAY.

AND YOU HAVE A EIGHT ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR NEXT SERIES OF AGENDAS ALL

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HAVE ABOUT EIGHT ITEMS ON THEM. >> THEY BUNCHED LIKE THIS ONE WITH COMPANION PIECES?

>> A COUPLE. A COUPLE ARE. >> WE'D WE LIKE THE WAY THEYE BUNCHED TODAY. I DO PERSONALLY. AGENCY REPORTS.

[Agency Reports]

ANYONE HAVE A COMMENT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN -- >> GO AHEAD, GREG.

>> I THOUGHT I HEARD CRIDZ TAU SAY HUR NEXT MESQUITE IS ON THURSDAY OCTOBER 20TH.

I'D ASK HER TO CHECK THAT DATE. >> I WILL DO THAT. >> I THINK THE NEXT DATE IS THE

15TH. >> IT SHOULD BE THE 15TH. >> OCTOBER 15TH.

>> OCTOBER 15TH. EAU YOU WILL GET BONUS MONEY IF YOU COME HERE THE 20TH.

OF COURSE, PETER IS NOT -- >> ARE WE MEETING IN PERSON OR --

>> ARE WE MEETING IN PERSON? >> NO, FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER THE SUSPENSION OF THE PHYSICAL QUARANTINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED PIE BY THE GOVERNOR, BUT BEGINNNG NEVER 1ST UNLESS SML CHANGES WE WILL BE MEETING BACK IN PERSON, BUT FOR THE NEXT MEETING WE MAY STILL HAVE A VIRTUAL

QUORUM SO THIS WILL BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TOM, THOUGH, HERE IN PERSON YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WELCOME TO JOIN ARCHIE AND MYSELF.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER AGENCY COMMENTS, MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION

TO ADJOURN. >> MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> ALL RIGHT, ARCHIE.

THE BEST MOTION OF THE DAY.

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