Sep 15, 2020 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order]

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>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS SEPTEMBER 15, 2020, REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME.

IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND REDUCED RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS, THE GOVERNOR HAS RESPONDED ÃWE'VE ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION. EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION NUMBER 2020 ÃTHREE.

SO THE PUBLIC HAS MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING.

ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS, INCLUDING EMAIL, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY PHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING VIA IGTV OR BY STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTIES WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE ALSO PROVIDES A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING. EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED PEOPLE MAY LISTEN WHO DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED.

FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING INTO COMMENT, IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL, PLEASE CALL BACK.

CONTINUE TO WATCH WHILE YOU ARE COMMENTING BECAUSE THE TIMER WILL BE VISIBLE TO YOU.

MEET YOUR PHONE WHILE YOU'RE WAITING TO COMMENT AND BE AWARE THERE MAY BE A DELAY IN THE VISUAL PRESENTATIONS, AND IF WE EXPERIENCE ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE WILL RECESS BRIEFLY WHILE WE RESOLVE THEM AND RECONVENE. MEETING MATERIALS FOR TODAY'S MEETING ON THE WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES AND ONCE YOU FIND THE AGENDA YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. FINALLY, WITH TWO BOARD MEMBERS PARTICIPATING RIGHTLY THIS MORNING WE WILL BE VOTING VIA ROLL CALL VOTE.

WITH ALL THAT SAID I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

THIS MORNING'S INVOCATION. EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND. >> THANK YOU.

LET'S COME TOGETHER IN PRAYER AND CONSCIOUSNESS TO KNOW SOMETHING GOOD FOR OURSELVES, FOR EACH OTHER. FOR THIS MEETING AND FOR OUR NATION.

TO KNOW RIGHT WHERE WE ARE FLOWS AL THE POWER AND WISDOM OF THE SPIRIT.

THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT'S CONFRONTING US THAT WE CANNOT EASILY SOLVE WHEN WE AVAIL OURSELVES TO THIS WISDOM. WE ARE NOT WAITING ON GOD. GOD IS WAITING ON US.

WAITING ON US TO WAKE UP TO THE INTELLIGENCE THAT IT HAS GIFTED US SO THAT WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE CREATED. LET US KNOW WHEN WE RESPECT ONE ANOTHER AND ARE COMPASSIONATE WITH ONE ANOTHER, EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER, THAT THE GOOD WILL COME FROM IT.

SO THIS MEETING TODAY IS GOING TO EASILY RESOLVE ANY PROBLEM THIS COMMUNITY IS FACING AND WILL BE THE BETTER FOR IT. THIS IS OUR TRUTH, WE CELEBRATED AND REJOICE IN IT AND RELEASE IT INTO THE MIND OF GOD RETURNING TO US MULTIPLIED ABUNDANTLY AND TOGETHER WE SAY

MEN AND SOLDIERS. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER

GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THAT BEING SAID, COMMISSIONER

[Public Comment]

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS. I ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT

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THREE MINUTES. AND AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS. ET'S START WITH COLLINS, PLEASE. ANY CALL INS TODAY? GO AHEAD.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS

COUNTY. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> ED SLAVIN, BOX 3084. I WAS DELIGHTED TO HEAR COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON'S BOYS AT THE BUDGET MEETING LAST WEEK, AND WE ARE SO GLAD THAT OUR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED.

SO GLAD THAT HE IS BACK NOW ATTENDING MEETINGS BY PHONE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HIS RECOVERY AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IN TERMS OF PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH FROM THE CODED VIRUS, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR A MANDATORY MASK ORDINANCE. AND DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT OUR SHERIFF, DOCTOR Ã DAVID SURE SAYS APPARENTLY NOT UNDER OATH THAT HE DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ENFORCE A MANDATORY MASK ORDINANCE? AND DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS NEVER DONE A MEMO, AT LEAST NOT ONE THAT I HAVE SEEN BECAUSE I HAVE REQUESTED ÃAND I KNOW COMMISSIONER BLOCKER REQUESTED IT.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS NEVER DONE A CONSTITUTES THE LAW MEMO ABOUT A MANDATORY MASK ORDINANCE. SO I THINK TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND TO PROTECT OUR SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED SOME COVER, WE NEED TO TAKE APART WHAT SHERIFF SHOAR SAID.

HE SAYS HE DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ENFORCE IT. IT'S NOT UP TO HIM.

YOU ARE THE CONSCIENCE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

HIS BUDGET COMES FROM US TO REVIEW, AND IF HE WANTED MORE MONEY TO ENFORCE, HE COULD'VE ASKED FOR IT. BUT HE HAS A HUGE BUDGET, AND WE NEED A FORENSIC AUDIT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE EMBEZZLEMENT. THIS IS THE GUY WHO SPENT WEEKS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON A TASK FORCE TO WRITE A PEJORATIVE REPORT ABOUT RAY ROGERS AND THE MICHELLE O'CONNOR CASE. AND IT WAS 153 PAGE REPORT FULL OF MALARKEY THAT HE DID TO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. IT'S NOT UP TO HIM AS TO WHAT LAWS HE'S GOING TO ENFORCE. HE KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF LOCKHEED MARTIN 'S DEPOSITION I TOOK BACK IN THE 1990S AND THE LANDMARK WHISTLEBLOWER CASE.

THIS GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR CEO ACTUALLY SAID HE SHOULD GET EXTRA MONEY IN A GOVERNMENT CONTRACT TO COMPLY WITH EEO LAWS AND POLLUTION LAWS. THAT'S NOT THE CASE SHERIFF SHOAR. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MASK ORDINANCE, COME DOWN HERE.

OTHERWISE I HOPE SOMEONE WILL BE MOVED TODAY TO DIRECT THE STAFF AND THE RESOLUTION ON EMERGENCY TO DEVELOP A FAIR MANDATORY MASK ORDINANCE TO GIVE OUR SMALL BUSINESS COVER, AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK AND WELCOME BACK COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> ANY COLLINS, MARK COLLINS? >> TOM REYNOLD, 50 PREGNANT TEEN CT., ST. AUUSTINE COURT.

I WANT TO REMIND YOU COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, IT'S NOT JUST YOU BUT ALL HIGH-RANKING COUNTY OFFICIALS. THE ETHICAL COUNTY OFFICIAL ACCEPTS THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT HIS OR HER MISSION IS THAT OF SERVANT AND STEWARD TO THE PUBLIC.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO COMMISSIONERS ÃI KNOW YOU KNOW THESE THINGS, BUT I WANT TO GO OVER THEM. THE ETHICAL COUNTY OFFICIAL SHOULD PROPERLY ADMINISTER THE AFFAIRS OF THE COUNTY, PROMOTE DECISIONS WHICH ONLY BENEFIT THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

ACTIVELY PROMOTE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW I THINK YOU GENTLEMEN AND YOU HIGH-RANKING OFFICIALS, I THINK YOU FOLKS DO A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THOSE. ON NUMBER FOUR, ALL FUNDS AND OTHER PROPERTIES OF THE COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, THAT MEANS EVERYBODY WHO GETS A PENNY FOR THIS COUNTY ÃI KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTRACTORS AND A BILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET, BUT I HOPE YOU WERE ACTUALLY CHECKING ON SOME OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE I RECENTLY, WITH THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY, THIS

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HE WAS TELLING ME ABOUT IT. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD FEELING ABOUT THIS.

IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF DEAL. WE WERE ADVERTISING ON THE WHITE BUSES.

JEB SMITH AND JIMMY JOHN'S SHOULD KNOW I HAVE SPOKEN IN THE PAST ABOUT ADVERTISING ON THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY MANY TIMES. I EXPECT ÃSUSPECT SOMETHING SEEMS NOT QUITE RIGHT ABOUT THAT WHOLE SITUATION. ALSO, KEEP SAFE ALL FUNDS AND OTHER PROPERTY AND THE COUNTY. EVERY DIME OF THE SHERIFF PASSED MY BUDGET.

YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF EVERY PENNY. I THINK ÃI THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT. E IS GOING OUT AND I THINK ORDERING A FORENSIC ÃTHIS WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THE SHERIFF IS CONTROVERSIAL AND HE ALSO HAS ÃI TRULY BELIEVE HE HAS WASTED A LOT OF COUNTY MONEY DEFENDING THINGS THAT MAYBE SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE ON. THAT 156 PAGE REPORT, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WENT INTO THAT. MOVING ON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT AND

MADE THE FATHER ALMIGHTY MAKE US ALL BETTER. GOODBYE.>> FURTHER COLLINS? NONE? OKAY. NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO TO LIVE

AND IN PERSON. MS. BADGER? >> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S.

COLLINS AVENUE. I GOT SOME MORE PICTURES FOR YOU, JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY. YOUR STAFF APPROVED A DITCH 300 FEET LONG AND TO AND 18 INCH CULVERT. THE OTHER DAY AND WENT HOME FOR LUNCH AND I'M HERE ON LUNCH TODAY. I SEE THE RETENTION POND THIS FALL.

I WENT BACK IN AND THEN I CALLED MY NEIGHBOR. I SAID I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK. DO YOU MIND GETTING ME SOME PICTURES? IT STARTED RAINING. HERE COMES THE RAIN. THIS IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME.

BECAUSE OUR SIDE OF THE DITCH GOES INTO THE DITCH AND INTO THE OTHER SIDE.

THIS IS WATER FLOWING BACKWARDS LIKE I SHOWED YOU IN MY HEART. HERE IS HIS BUSINESS.

RETAINING WATER. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOING INT THE DOOR. YOUR STAFF APPROVED THIS. YOU NEED TO FIX IT BECAUSE THEY TOOK AND PUT A FOUR FOOT DITCH, SIX FOOT WIDE, 300 FEET LONG AND TO AND 18 INCH CULVERT.

I ALREADY SHOWED YOU THE REVERSE TIDAL FLOW FOR WEEKS NOW.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY RAIN FOR TWO DAYS. THIS IS WHAT YOUR STAFF Ã GENTLEMEN, PLEASE WE WILL BE FLOODED. WE WERE NOT FLOODED DURING MATTHEW AND IRMA. YOUR STAFF CAME OUT THERE AND TOLD ME WE HAD A FIVE FOOT ELEVATION GOING DOWN TO STATE ROAD 15. ON THE CORNER OF 16, THERE WAS SEPTIC TANK APPROVED FOR THE LITTER ÃLITTLE CHAMP WHICH TOOK THE FLOW FROM OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD AWAY. NOW OUR SITE GOES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD INTO A FOUR FOOT DITCH THAT GOES INTO AN 18 INCH CULVERT. I ASKED MY NEIGHBOR, I SAID, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THIS TO THE COUNTY OR DO YOU WANT TO GO SEE MORGAN AND MORGAN? SO YOU ALL NEED TO FIX THIS. GOD BLESS.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE OFF TO A GOOD START.

MY NAME IS MARCO EDWARD CLAY VANISHED, 135 ASHBY LANDING WAY.

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT ÃI HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR SAINT ÃAT ST. AUGUSTINE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THIS IS MY SECOND TIME. I WANT TO KNOW WHEN THE ROADS ARE GOING TO GET FIXED.

AND THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS IN REGARDS TO THE MASKS AND THE CONTACT TRACING. LIKE THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT SAT ON THE TELEPHONE CALL TO

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YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT. SO WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS THIS CONTACT TRACING BILL, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN THE DARK OF NIGHT? I HAVEN'T HEARD IT COME BACK UP SINCE. SOMEBODY FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CALLED MY HOUSE FOR MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD CHILD. NOW WHERE THEY KNEW HAT MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD CHILD WAS, I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT WHEN YOU ARE CROSSING A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHEN YOU ARE GETTING INVOLVED WITH CHILDREN. AND THEN THEY SAY WE CAN'T TELL YOU.

WE CAN'T TELL YOU IT WAS AROUND YOUR CHILD. IT'S AGAINST HIPAA.

THERE IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE THERE, AND PEOPLE WANT TO GRIPE AT THE SHERIFF.

THE SHERIFF IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. HE HAS MORE POWER THAN THE FBI, THE CIA, ALL OF THEM. HE IS THE ONLY ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS CONTACT TRACING.

FOR MY PART, THERE WON'T BE ANY THREATS OR ANY ÃI JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY MY CHILD WAS CALLED FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND HOW THAT EVEN HAPPEN. BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA.

YOU SHOULD QUARANTINE YOUR KIDS FOR 14 DAYS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TELL A PARENT HOW TO DO, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GIVE THEM FROM THE CARES ACT.

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME. I THINK THE FIRST DAY I STOOD UP HERE I EXPRESSED THE CONCERN

AND NOW WE ARE HERE. WHAT DO WE DO? >> THANK YOU.

FURTHER COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PUBLIC, SPEAKERS, IF YOU WOULD BE PREPARED TO STAND AT THE NEXT PODIUM, WE WILL MOVE THIS

ALONG. NAME AND ADDRESS? >> BJ KALAIDI.

FYI TAXPAYERS, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TALKS ABOUT TRANSFERRING WEST AUGUSTINE COUNTY RESIDENTS FROM SEPTIC TO SEWER SERVICE. AT THE SAME TIME THIS ÃSHE HAS NOT CONNECTED TO CITY SEWER. ANOTHER RESIDENT WHO LIVES ON OLD QUARRY ROAD ON ANASTASIA ISLAND WANTS TO HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS WITH PORTABLE TOILETS. LOOK FORWARD TO A GAS STATION AT U.S. 1 AND SAN SEBASTIAN VIEW WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE CITY LIMITS OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

THE CITY DOES NOT REQUIRE IMPACT FEES. THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS FAILED TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE MOBILITY FEES FROM ALL DEVELOPERS WHO ANNEXED IT TO THE CITY, THIRD THE ÃSO THE BOTTOM LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR IMPACT BOATS.

MY THREE QUESTIONS AT THE SEPTEMBER ONE, 2020 PCC MEETING REGARDING THE FORMAT CHANGE IN THE AGENDA HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED. AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS TODAY BECAUSE THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT PRESENTERS ON SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

WHAT YOU READ IN THE AGENDA IS NOT ACCURATE. AS LONG AS THEY COME UP AND TALK WITH THIS AND SOME OF THE POLITICIANS, THEY CAN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHEN THEY WANT TO DO IT. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO GET TO MY QUESTIONS.

ONLY HAD THREE OF THEM. I WANT TO GO OVER THE 6.8 ROLLBACK PROPERTY TAX.

I WASN'T ABLE TO GET TO THIS SECTION. THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE DOES NOT DO THAT, HAS NEVER DONE THAT. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THAT I MISSED OUT ON ON SEPTEMBER 8 WAS THE FACT THAT MR. WALDRON

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SO HOPEFULLY, WHOEVER IS LISTENING WILL GET ME SOME ANSWERS.

HERE'S THREE QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THEM, BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO ASK THEM BECAUSE WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT

SPEAKERS? SEEN, >> I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT

[Consent Agenda]

THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA >> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE

CONSENT AGENDA >> SECOND >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?E WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

[Regular Agenda]

>> NINE >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NINE

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON >> NINE >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON

>> NINE >> ADMINISTRATION >> NINE.

>> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ENTERTAIN TO ADMIT THE REGULAR AGENDA.

>> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

[1. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2020-09 Last Mile Distribution Facility PUD.]

REGULAR AGENDA. >> MR. CHAIR, FOR THE BOARD, THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM.

IF THERE'S BEEN ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION, TO THE COMMISSIONER'S IT SHOULD BE

DISCLOSED. >> REMOVED THE EXPERT TAPE DISCLOSURES.

>> ON JUNE 15 AT 3:30, I MET WITH JP AND HE IS THE OWNER'S REP FOR THIS CENTER AND ALSO WITH THE ATTORNEY AND THE COMPANY AND PATRICK, AND WE DISCUSSED VERY MUCH ALL THE ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND IN BOTH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE

FOOTPRINT ITSELF. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF A MEETING OR A PHONE CALL, BUT I DO REMEMBER A BRIEF CONVERSATION I HAD WITH I BELIEVE PATRICK ABOUT THIS AND NOT WHAT HAPPENED LAST MONTH JUST LETTING ME KNOW IT WAS COMING UP ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE HAD NO OTHER DISCUSSIONS OTHER

THAN THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF ANY MEETINGS. >> THANK YOU.OMMISSIONER

WALDRON? >> I RECEIVED A VOICEMAIL FROM MR. WESTER, AND I DID NOT RETURN THE CALL. BUT I HAD NO QUESTIONS FOR HIM. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> I RECEIVED A CALL FROM MR. WESTER ASKING IF I HAD ANY

QUESTIONS THE ASPECTS AS IS DESCRIBED >> I HAD A PHONE CALL FROM MR. WESTER ON SEPTEMBER 10 AT 2:20 AND WE SPOKE FOR TWO MINUTES AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SHE DISCLOSED TO ME ÃI DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HE TOLD ME HE HAD MET WITH THE TUSCANY VILLAGE RESIDENTS. HOW THEIR DESIRE WAS TO ALLOW THIS PARCEL TO REMAIN IN THE COMMENTS TO FASHION CHANGES TO THE MVP. AND LIKEWISE, THE TWO PROJECTS FROM THE SITE IN THE PAST. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO DISCLOSE. WE WILL MOVE ALONG.

MR. WESTER? >> GOOD MORNING. WE ARE HERE FOR THE LAST DISTRIBUTION FACILITY P.D. AND NOW THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE REALLY PREPARING THE PRESENTATION, MY PRESENTATION WILL MIMIC SOMEWHAT OF HER PREVIOUS STAFF REPORT.

BRAD WESTER, 1 INDEPENDENT DOCTOR, JACKSONVILLE, FL DOWNTOWN.

GREAT TO BE HERE TODAY. I HAD SOME OF MY TEAM HERE WITH ME AND I'M THE AGENT AND THE

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AND I WILL BE HERE FOR Q&A IF THERE'S ANY NEED FOR THAT. THE FIRST SLIDE IS REPRESENTING THE GENERAL LOCATION. IT IS IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF STATE ROUTE 16 AND I-95.

THIS IS AN AREA AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A DELAY ON THE IMAGE SO I WILL HOLD TIGHT FOR A SECOND OR TWO AFTER I PUT THE SLIDES IN HERE AND WATCH VIRTUALLY. THIS IS AN AREA OF OUR PROPERTY. IT'S SHOWING IT'S DEPICTION AND CONTEXT AND FRAME ALL THE DEVELOPED AREA. BUT SINCE THE 80S, IT'S REALLY GROWN UP WITH A LOT OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WAREHOUSING AND INDUSTRIAL. AND IN A SENSE, OUR PROPERTY IS THE DETERMINIST OF INMAN ROAD BUT IS ALSO REALLY ÃFRAMES AGAINST THE BACKSTOP OF THAT 12 MILE STOP WHICH IS A CONSERVATION AREA. SO YOU CAN KIND OF FRAME THIS AS AN INFIELD DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE ARE MIXED-USE. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE FRINGE, THAT'S THE 12 MILE SWAP AND IS OWNED BY THE STATE AND THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT JOINTLY. THE ZONING, IT'S CURRENTLY A PUD AS MOST OF THAT AREA AND NOT QUADRANT AND I WILL DESCRIBED THE PUD AND THE HISTORY BEHIND IT SPECIFICALLY AND IN A MOMENT. GENERAL SITE HISTORY. IN THE PAST IT WAS AGRICULTURAL. SILVICULTURE AND THE LIKE. IN 2006, IT CHANGED FROM OPEN RURAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WAS FOR A 236 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY HAD INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN, A 531 DETACHED GARAGE STORAGE UNIT WITH ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE. THAT WAS REALLY THE HEIGHT OF 2004, 2006, AND THE RECESSION GOT THAT. 2015, THERE WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THAT PUD, AND IT WAS FOR 114 CLASS A MOTORHOME RV SPACES AND THEN ABOUT 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESORT COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS REALLY COMMUNITY SUPPORT COMMERCIAL FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, CLASS A MOTORCOACH IS A BUS. AS OUR MILLION DOLLAR PLUS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL LICENSE. THINK OF A GREYHOUND BUS, THAT'S CLASS A.

AND THEN IT BRINGS US TO OUR REQUEST WHICH IS OUR MAJOR MODIFICATION TODAY AND IT IS FOR CONVERSION OF THE SITE TO A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.

AND THEN CURRENTLY, OF COURSE, IS A VACANT INTEL SITE AND WE ARE BEHIND THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE SHOOTING RANGE, ESTABLISHED IN 1987 AND THE WAREHOUSE FACILITY, AND THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005, AND THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A REZONING FOR THEIR EXPANSION PLANS.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS SHOWING THE PREVIOUS SITE PLANS THAT WERE WITH THIS PROPERTY, FRAMING THE 2006 PUD AND THE 2015 PUD. IN 2006, YOU SHOW ÃAND I WILL ORIENT EVERYONE YOU HAVE INMAN ROAD AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS REALLY ON ALL THE OUTLETS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR AS WELL. AND IT IS LOADED WITH MULTI STORY, MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THE GARAGES, THE STORAGE UNITS, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL. AND THEN 2015, VERY SIMILAR AS WELL. YOU HAVE THE 114 CLASS A MOTORCOACH SLIPS OR PADS, ESSENTIALLY THE MOTORCOACH, YOU HAVE A MEMBERSHIP YOU COULD DRIVE ON A PARK THERE AND STAY AS LONG AS YOU NEED AND THEN YOU GO ON TO YOUR OTHER DESTINATION.

THESE WERE MOTORCOACH PADS, AND THERE IS THE SUPPORT OF COMMERCIAL AND YOU CAN SEE THE MOTORBOAT ÃMOTORCOACH PAD FRAMING THE SITE AND THE GUN RANGE TO THE LEFT OR TO THE NORTH. SURROUNDING CHARACTER. IN GENERAL WE ARE MIXED-USE.

THE MAIN DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER PUD WHICH IS THE OUTLET MALL AREA, HOTELS, AND LOTS OF RETAIL SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS. THE INMAN ROAD INDUSTRIAL SITES AND 12 MILE SWAP PRESERVE, MN ROAD IS REALLY INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL FROM STATE ROAD 16 ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH. ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER HAS GONE THROUGH 11 MAJOR MODIFICATIONS

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CURRENTLY HIS RETAIL SHOPPING, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WHICH IS ON INMAN ROAD. SO THAT PUD DOES HAVE INDUSTRIAL COMPONENTS WITH IT AND SHOWING OUR COMPATIBILITY WITH THE USE IN THE AREA.

THE INMAN ROAD CORRIDOR HAS GONE THROUGH MANY CHANGES SINCE THE 80S AND IS NOW COMPRISED OF WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION MANUFACTURING, COMMERCIAL AND THEN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY DEPARTMENT, THE INMAN ROAD IS BEFORE YOU TO CONVERT IT TO OAK FROM OPEN RURAL AND IS ABUTTING AS TO THE SOUTH. THIS SCREEN IMAGERY IS BASICALLY SHOWING WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, JUST IN CONTEXT. AND I WILL QUICKLY GO OVER THIS.

THE FIRST BOWL AND ISLAND IS A BACKSTOP AND I WILL USE THAT TERM AS IT IS.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY A BACKSTOP OF DEVELOPMNT AND IT WAS DONE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

SO WE HAVE GOT A NOTE HERE OF MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT AT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF STATE ROUTE 16 AND I-95.HE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE SHOOTING RANGES TO THE NORTH AND I HAVE OPERATED THERE SINCE 1987. YOU HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH THE UPLAND T BE DEVELOPED, A LARGE WETLAND AREA WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE TO BE PRESERVED. AND THEN INMAN ROAD AND THE ORANGE OUTLINES IS REALLY ALL OF THE PIER DISTRIBUTION FACILITY ALUMINUM FENCE MANUFACTURING AND SKILLED NURSING AND A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN IN THE DRI, ST.

AUGUSTINE CENTER, THIS IS THE OUTLET CENTER AND IT HAS MULTIFAMILY AND SIDE OF IT, WHICH IS THE TUSCANY VILLAGE, AND THEN ALSO THE OUTLET MALL AUTO RV DEALERSHIPS, SOME LARGER RETAILERS, AND THERE IS HOTELS AND RESTAURANS AS WELL. A LOT OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA. IT'S A VERY INTENSE HIGH ACTIVE AREA AND THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT THERE. THIS IS A CHARACTER SUMMARY EXCERPT AND THIS IS FROM THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER AND IT FRAMES IT NICELY IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT OF AREA, AND WHAT I TRIED TO DO THIS SHOWS SOME NEXUS AND OUR PROPOSAL AND THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA SHOWS IT IN CONTEXT. THIS IS A RAPIDLY TRANSITIONING AREA FOR SMALL-SCALE COMMERCIAL USES TO LARGE-SCALE RESIDENTIAL.ON INMAN ROAD WHICH IS EAST OF THE SITE IS LINED WITH INDUSTRIAL USES. SOME OF THOSE USES EVEN BACK IN 2015 THERE WAS A MODIFICATION WHICH ALLOWED ADDITIONAL USES SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL. OUR PROJECT DETAILS, WE ARE 58.74 ACRES AND 20 PERCENT OF THOSE WERE UPLAND WHICH WE DEVELOP.

IT'S ABOUT 50 PERCENT OF THE SITE. WE HAVE ASKED FOR WAIVERS.

IT'S UNCONVENTIONAL SHAPED SITE AND THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF OUR PROPERTY WOULD PROVIDE THE WAIVERS FOR THINGS LIKE THE PERIMETER BUFFER. WE HAVE FOUR DRIVEWAYS AND ONLY ALLOW A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS AND THEN THE INTERIOR PARKING TREE ISLAND REDUCTION TO ACCOMMODATE OUR PARKING NEEDS WITHIN OUR FUTURE GROWTH. WE HAVE 150 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND APPROXIMATELY 200 DRIVERS AND THEN WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY INDUSTRY-LEADING PAY, 150 AN HOUR. PROJECT DETAILS. I MADE THAT PERSONALLY TO THE HOA MANAGER. A PAGE FULL OF NOTES AND COMMENTS AND CONCERNS FROM ALL OF THE ÃI BELIEVE THERE ARE 15, PLUS OR MINUS IN THE CALL INCLUDING MYSELF AND CALLED]. PER THAT MEETING WE ACTUALLY MODIFY THE ORIGINAL MVP AND THE MODIFICATIONS WERE TO MITIGATE IMPACTS FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS RELATED TO TRAFFIC AND GRASS INGRESS NOISE STATISTICS AND THE LIKE. SO WE MODIFY THAT.

MET WITH THE COUNTY BEFORE OUR FIRST PZA HEARING AND SUBMITTED THAT CHANGE AT THE HEARING WHICH WAS AUGUST 20. AND THAT CHANGE BEING FLEXIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTS AND

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SO THE ORIGINAL MVP AT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH PARKING IN THE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY AND ALL OF THE TRAFFIC WENT UP INMAN ROAD, SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING OUR ORIGINAL MVP AND THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CHANGES. INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING UP INMAN ROAD, WE CREATED A NEW ACCESS POINT ON OUR PROPERTY AT THE FURTHEST SOUTH POINT WE POSSIBLY COULD.

WE WORKED WITH ENGINEERING AT THE COUNTY AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOT DISTANCE LOCATIONS ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY ÃACROSS FROM US AND THEN THE ABUTTING STANDARDS TO THE SOUTH OF US AND WE ARE PUTTING ALL OF OUR TRUCKS Ã18 WHEELERS ON THIS PROPERTY AND HUGGING THE WETLANDS SO IT GETS THEM OFF OF INMAN ROAD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THEY MAINTAIN PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND GET AS FAR TO THE EAST AS POSSIBLE AWAY FROM TUSCANY VILLAGE WHICH REDUCED THE ACOUSTIC LEVEL DOWN TO GENERALLY THE SOUND OF A CAR DRIVING BY AT NIGHT, AND THEN WE ALSO PUT A STORM WATER POND THERE TO FRAME THE INTERSECTION THERE OF OUTLET CENTER DRIVE AND CENTER DRIVE AND NOW WE HAVE A POND AND WE HAVE OUR TRUCKS PULLING ONTO OUR PROPERTY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WHICH THAT OFFSETS SOME PARKING NEEDS.

WE HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS ON INDUSTRIAL PARKING.

WE HAVE ITS OWN SELF-SERVING STORMWATER TREATMENT FACILITY. SO WE HAVE SHIFTED DIRECTION ON THIS PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONCERNS AND THEN WE ARE IN FULL ENGINEERING RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M STANDING BY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING THAT WE WILL PROCEED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE AT 50-50 INMAN ROAD.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND AWARE TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE ARE AN ACTIVE 24 HOUR PER DAY SHOOTING RANGE. SO WE HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN AND WE HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE 80S SO I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR. IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD, WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH TUSCANY VILLAGE AND REFERENCE TO THE NOISE AT 9 A.M. WE HAVE EXPLAINED WE HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN ON THE NOISE ORDINANCE, AND WE CONTINUE TO GET CALLS, SO WE TRY TO EXPLAIN TO THEM PLEASE DON'T BE UPSET WITH US.

BE UPSET WITH YOUR REALLY TORE FOR NOT LETTING YOU KNOW. I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN:

>> I AM DAVID LAW I LIVE IN TUSCANY VILLAGE. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK THIS MORNING. MY CONCERNS ARE THAT THE FARM IN NICE WAREHOUSE. MY DAYS CONSIST OF A LOT OF WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. CARRYING TWO FLASHLIGHTS. WITH THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND NOW AT THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AT THE END OF INMAN ROAD, CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AT THE CORNER ACROSS FROM IDEAL AND THE MEDICAL CENTER WITH LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION WE ARE QUICKLY BECOMING ÃFROM THE LAST SPEAKER I PROBABLY MADE AN ERROR IN JUDGMENT THAT HAS NOW BECOME AN INDUSTRIAL

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THE MAJORITY OF THE OWNERS OF TUSCANY VILLAGE MAY BE AN OLDER GROUP LIE MYSELF IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS NOW WITHOUT ANY MORE TRAFFIC. IT MAY BE SELFISH OF ME TO ASK BUT IF THIS COMMISSION WOULD THEY BE CONSIDERATE, IF IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPERS TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN. SIDEWALKS GO ALL THE WAY AROUND ALONG 16 DOWN OUTLET MALL, OUTLET DRIVE, AND THE END. ON 16 AND STARTS TO COME AROUND THE CORNER A LITTLE BIT THE SIDEWALKS ON INMAN ROAD AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT.

I MAY BE THE FIRST CASUALTY WERE THE FIRST PERSON TO MAYBE DIE ON INMAN ROAD BECAUSE I HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREET. I ALREADY DID FIVE MILES THIS MORNING.'M KIND OF PROUD.

BUT IF YOU CAN CONSIDER MAYBE MAKING THEM PUT THE SIDEWALK IN OR MAYBE THE COMMISSION PUT SIDEWALKS AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I SPOKE TO YOU LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND ONCE AGAIN, I DO WANT TO THINK THESE GUYS FOR REVISING THE PLAN.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD THING. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

TO BEGIN WITH, THIS IS NOT JUST ONE SINGLE TUSCANY VILLAGE. THERE ARE THREE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.

IT'S NOT JUST US.HERE IS A LOT OF US AND WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO BEGIN WITH.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY SPEAK TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND NOW I REALIZE THEY CHANGE THEIR PLANS AND NOT WILL DEFINITELY HELP. BUT WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT SEMI'S AND MY BEDROOM STILL BACKS UP TO THAT ROAD. WOULD YOU LIKE THOSE IN YOUR BACKYARD AT NIGHT? NOT A FUN THING.HE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY SPEAK TO IS THE WILDLIFE IMPACT IN THAT AREA. AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO TO THE WILDLIFE AND THE CONSERVATION AREA. SO I HAVE BIG CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. I WILL SAY THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THESE OTHER PLANTS AND I DON'T MEAN DAY IN A BAD WAY, BUT I NEED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT OTHER PLANTS IN THAT AREA. THEY ARE BUT THEY ARE NOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HOUSING.

THEY ARE DOWN THE STREET FROM HOUSING. AND I KNOW IT'S A GOOD THING I KNOW THE JOBS CREATED WILL BE GOOD BUT WE LIVE IN THE AREA ARE TAX PAYERS.

WE ARE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY, AND WE DESERVE CONSIDERATION ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING SOME TIME LIMITS ON WHEN THEY CAN COME AND GO, WHEN THEY CAN HAVE THE SEMI'S COME, HOW OFTEN THEY CAN HAVE THE LITTLE TRUCKS SO MAYBE THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN ALL BE HAPPY.

THEY CAN MAKE A 24 HOUR SEVEN DAY A WEEK ÃTHE SHOOTING RANGE, THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A SHOOTING RANGE BUT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE SHOOTING. I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME

SPEAK AND HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> I AND MARGE BROKER ACT 169 MONTE CARLO IN TUSCANY VILLAGE.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS I KNOW THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEY SAID THEY DON'T NEED ANY ADJUSTMENTS I'VE LIVED THERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO STOP.

THERE IS AN ENTRYWAY ON INMAN GOING INTO THEIR PARCEL. I'M NOT SURE IT'S THEIR

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RY A FOUR-WAY STOP AT THE INTERSECTION OF INMAN AND OUTLET, THAT WOULD HELP US A

LOT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS? JUST GIVE US ONE MOMENT. I DID PLAN TO SAY A FEW WORDS ON THIS ITEM.

MAYBE I CAN SAY SOMETHING NOW WHILE WE WAIT FOR THIS CALL AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR TIME.

I WANT TO THANK THOSE WHO SPOKE TODAY THIS WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS WHEN I MET WITH THEM ABOUT MAKING ÃSATISFYING THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS. THIS IS SORT OF AN INTERESTING SITUATION IN MY OPINION BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ADJACENT TO OR CONTIGUOUS TO THE SHOOTING RANGE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS A REASONABLE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS PROPERTY SO GIVEN THAT WHAT IS A GOOD USE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IS COMPATIBLE.

THIS PROPERTY IS TAKEN ON Ã THEY WORK IN TUSCANY VILLAGE WITH THE THREE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT. HAVE ÃIS MY CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS ÃI THINK THE APPLICANT HAS GONE THE EXTRA MILE TO ADDRESS ANY NOISE OR TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND HAS ACTUALLY REDESIGNED THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOPEFULLY WILL REDESIGN AND PROVIDE A BUFFER IN A TRAFFIC BUTTER MOVING IN THE INGRESS AND EGRESS DOWN THE VERY SOUTH END OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHT AND NOW WE HAVE SOMEONE

CALLING. CAN WE TRY THIS AGAIN? >> OKAY.

>> NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE >> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIGANTINE CT., ST. AUGUSTINE.

I ASKED THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED THIS. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW DESPERATE WE ARE FOR JOBS OTHER THAN 10 AND $12 IN OUR TOURIST JOBS.

I DO FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE AND TUSCANY VILLAGE AND IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN COMMENT ÃACCOMMODATE THEM WITHOUT ALLOWING LATE NIGHT OR EARLY PICKUPS. IT'S DONE IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF PUBLIX AND WINN-DIXIE'S THAT BACKUP TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THEY DON'T ALLOW ANY BACKDOOR DELIVERY OR ANYTHING BACKING UP TO PROPERTY UNTIL AFTER 6:00 OR 7:00 A.M. AND NOT ON SUNDAY.

I THINK YOU COULD WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS A BIT BUT WE ARE DESPERATE FOR JOBS SO I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS AND I WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPERS AND THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN THIS

BUSINESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR COMMENTS? NO FURTHER COLLINS? OKAY. THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC COMMENT

>> WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED, WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD UNLESS MR. WESTERN EUROPE

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THE DISTANCE OF THE TRUCKS, WE PUSH OUR 18 WHEELERS 150 FEET MINIMUM OFF OF THE ROADWAY AND THAT WAS AN ADJUSTMENT FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN. THAT'S QUITE SIGNIFICANT.

AND THAT INTERNAL RAILWAY IS UNLIKE THE SPEED THAT WAS ON INMAN, WHEREAS IT'S A WINDING INTERNAL ROAD AND THE TRUCKS WILL BE GOING MUCH MORE THAN 15 MILES AN HOUR.

SO THE NOISE WE HAVE DONE ÃI'M SHOWING A SLIDE HERE ÃTHE NOISE AND THE ACOUSTIC STUDY WE HAVE DONE DROPS THAT DECIBEL RATING FROM ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION WHEN THE TRUCKS WERE ON INMAN ROAD DOWN TO A CAR DRIVING BY AT NIGHT. WHICH IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT.

THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE INTERSECTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT. LET'S GET BACK TO THE AERIAL Ã CREATES A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO UTILIZE THAT. THAT'S FROM A PREVIOUS PLAN.

OUR PLAN SHOWS ACCESS POINTS NOW ENTERING THE SITE RIGHT WHEN THE BOUNDARIES ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY OF INMAN ROAD AND THEN WE HAVE OUR OTHER FIRST ACCESS POINT NORTH OF THE SOUTH TOWER. NOW THERE IS A STORMWATER CLOGGED WHEN YOU APPROACH AND THEN DRIVE FROM OUTLET CENTER, YOU WILL LOOK ACROSS THE STREET INTO THE WETLANDS.

WHAT OTHER COMMENT? AND THEN SIDEWALKS. IN OUR PLAN, IT INCLUDES A SIDEWALK THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THIS PROPERTY, SO THAT'S QUITE SIGNIFICANT AS WELL. AS FAR AS THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, THE COUNTY HAS AN IMPROVEMENT ON THEIR UTILITY DEPARTMENT WAREHOUSE AND THE PUBLIC ROADWAY, AND I CANNOT SPEAK TO WHAT PLANS THERE ARE FOUR SIDEWALKS DOWN TO STATE ROUTE 16.

I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO TALK AND, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS OF TUSCANY VILLAGE ARE VERY CORDIAL AND THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE ABOUT. WE AGREED TO DISAGREE ON SOME ITEMS BUT I THINK WE WERE AGILE IN OUR APPROACH AND WE SHIFTED DIRECTION TO ACCOMMODATE THEM AND I THINK DURING THE CALL WITH TUSCANY VILLAGE THEY SAID THEY KNOW THIS IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN. BUT THEY WERE APPRECIATIVE OF OUR EFFORTS AND ASK US TO THE GREATEST DEGREE POSSIBLE TO MITIGATE SOME CONCERNS THEY HAVE AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT AND I THINK YOU RECOGNIZE THAT. I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION AND I THINK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION >> I WILL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 Ã43. MAJOR MODIFICATION. Ã136 AS AMENDED.

TO CHANGE THE NAME IN THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY AND ALLOW A 125,000 FOOT WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY BASED ON ÃI HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND.

>> BEFORE THIS GETS APPROVED, I WANT TO GET A CLARIFICATION OUT THERE THAT IN THE TEXT, THERE IS A CLARIFICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE WITH REGARD TO THE LEFT TURN LANE OFF OF INMAN ROAD HEADING NORTHBOUND INTO OUTLET CENTER DRIVE. MY STAFF IS ON THE LINE, WHETHER THEY CAN CONFIRM OR NOT IF THAT'S OKAY. BRAD INDICATED IS A HOLDOVER AND AS WE KNOW HE DID A SHORT NOTICE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND STAFF DID NOT HAVE TIME TO MAYBE EVALUATE EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE THAT REMOVAL IS OKAY SOME GOING TO

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SURE BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THIS RIGHT >> MR. CHAIR, COULD WE HAVE MR. ROBISON USE THE LASER EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE? HERE IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN. THERE IS THE NEW PLAN. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THE NORTHBOUND YOU RETURN INTO THE ELSE ÃOUTLET CENTER. SO IT WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS ORDINANCE OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE AND THAT WILL BE AN ADDENDUM TO THE MOTION IF YOU SO CHOOSE. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM BOTH ME AND A BIT ÃGROWTH

MANAGEMENT STAFF? >> THIS IS PHONG. GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

IN REFERENCE TO THIS ISSUE, WHAT WE HAVE ÃWE SEE IS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THE REVISED PLAN, SO THE INITIAL PLAN INCLUDED THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN, BUT SINCE THE REVISED PLAN, WE HAVE NOT SEEN AN UPDATED TRAFFIC EVALUATION.

SO IF YOU COULD, YOU CAN ALLOW STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS NORTHBOUND CONCERN AFTER WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THAT.

OUR MAJOR CONCERN HAS BEEN ALLEVIATED BY THE TRUCK TRAFFIC ENTERING THE SITE PRIOR TO INMAN DRIVE, HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 700 DELIVERIES THAT WILL GO NORTH.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED INTO OR CONFIRM WHETHER THAT WOULD NECESSITATE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC.

THANK YOU. >> THIS IS BRAD WESTER. SO IN A NUTSHELL, ÃI'M TAKING A STEP BACK HERE BUT I WILL DESCRIBE WHAT'S GOING ON. THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN PRIOR TO MEETING WITH THE TUSCANY VILLAGE AND ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND ADJUSTING THE SITE PLAN, WE COULD HAVE AN INTERSECTION AT THE OUTLET CENTER DRIVE AND CANYON ROAD AND THERE WAS AN ACCESS POINT ONTO THE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE WHICH DID REQUIRE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

DECELERATION LANES AND THE LIKE. AND ALL OF THE TRAFFIC WAS ESSENTIALLY GOING FROM THE INTERSECTION EITHER TURNING ONTO PROPERTY OR FURTHER OUT.

NOW WITH THE SHIFT PER OUR MODIFICATIONS AFTER THE MEETING ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS IN THE MEETING WITH STAFF, WE ONLY LEARNED ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOME CLEANUP. I HAVE THAT AND I WILL SUBMIT IT ON THE RECORD WHICH REMOVES ONE SENTENCE THAT LEFT TURN LANE WILL BE PROVIDED. REALLY MOVING THAT SENTENCE BECAUSE OF THE PLAN MODIFICATIONS. THAT TEXT IS A CLEANUP FROM THIS SITE PLAN TO SPEND COUNTY SINCE AUGUST 19. SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THE TURN LANE ONTO THE PROPERTY 18 WHEELERS, NO INTERSECTION. WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY TO VALIDATE THAT AND THAT WILL BE IN CONCURRENCE WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE SUBMITTED AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HERE AS WELL BUT WE DO HAVE A STUDY THAT VALIDATES THAT THAT WE DO NOT NEED A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE DISSOLVING ONTO ALEXANDER DRIVE.

THAT'S BEEN A PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD SINCE THE HEARING.

I MADE THAT CHANGE LAST 9 A.M. HAVE MODIFIED TEXT BOTH THE REDLINE AND A CLEAN VERSION FOR STAFF. STAFF WOULD LIKELY TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO COME UP, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND THEN WE ARE GETTING INTO MORE DETAILS OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING MODELING

BUT AM AVAILABLE OR OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS AVAILABLE. >> IS MR. WINSTON ON THE PHONE?

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>> YES. >> IS THERE SUFFICIENT RIGHT AWAY WITH TO PROVIDE LEFT TURN LANE IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE AS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION THERE'S MORE LAND TO THE NORTH FENCE ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL USE THAT WILL GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC, SO THEY LEFT TURN LANE IS NEEDED IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO BE SURE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT RIGHT OF WAY

WITH NOW FOR WHEN THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, WELL ALLOW US AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET TO THE EAST. SO YES. EVEN WITH A 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WE HAVE ADEQUATE RIGHT AWAY TO PROVIDE THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN.

>> WE DID PROVIDE 20 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY RESERVATIONS. WE ARE NOT DEVELOPING ON THAT

TO MEET COMPANY STANDARDS SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY

OTHER QUESTIONS? WE NEED TO MODIFY THE MOTION? >> I WOULD RECOMMEND MR. WESTER HAD OFFERED THE CHANGE LANGUAGE. I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO PLACE THAT DOWN SO THE BOARD CAN SEE THAT. AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND ÃI'M NOT TRYING TO UNDULY COMPLICATE THIS ÃBUT IT SEEMS LIKE PERHAPS WITH THAT CHANGE AND THE CONFIGURATION, NOT HAVING THAT LEFT-HAND TURN GOING NORTHBOUND ON ADMIN, THAT MAY CHANGE THE TRAFFIC STUDY. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? IT MAY ULTIMATELY CHANGE THE TRAFFIC STUDY, AND THEN I WOULD ASK FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION, WITH THAT POSSIBLY CHANGE THE INMAN TRAFFIC IMPACT AND BASIC MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS? THINK IF THAT COULD BE DESCRIBED AT THIS TIME, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, OTHERWISE, THE BOARD MAY INCLUDE IN ITS MOTION AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COUNTIES PROMOTION Ã PROMOTIONAL STAFF TO ADJUST ANY MEDICATION SHOULD A REVISED TRAFFIC STUDY WARRANT.

THAT. >> SO THE RED IS WHAT WAS DELETED FROM THE TEXT LAST NIGHT WE WERE SHOWING. SO EVEN UNDER THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALK THERE.

BUT SO THAT WAS DELETED AND THAT WAS A TEXT CLEANUP FOR THE PLAN PROVISIONS THAT HAS BEEN

SLATED FOR OVER A MONTH. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER WALKER. IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WERE

LAST-MINUTE CHANGES LAST NIGHT IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> CAN YOU CLARIFY ON THAT SITUATION, IT SEEMED LIKE LAST-MINUTE CHANGES ARE NEVER A GOOD THING. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT WORK CAN STAFF HELP US UNDERSTAND

WHY WE HAD THESE LAST-MINUTE CHANGES THE NIGHT BEFORE? >> THIS IS BRAD WESTER.

STAFF WAS PERFORMING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE KIND OF SCRUBBING ALL OF THE PLANS AND THIS WAS SOME HOLDOVER LANGUAGE THAT WAS NEEDED TO BE CLEANED UP TO MATCH THE SITE PLAN, AND SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY. I DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE THIS CHANGE LAST NIGHT BUT I WANTED TO GET IT DONE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS COMMONLY DONE SOMETIMES AT MEETINGS WHEN THERE IS CLEANUP DONE STAFF WILL SAY BEFORE THIS IS RECORDED PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH A CLEANED UP PUD VERSION OF A MAP AND THEN ALSO REPORT IT.

BUT I DID GET A COUPLE OF EMAILS YESTERDAY EVENING FROM STAFF SO IT IS LEGITIMATE AND I WENT HAD MADE THOSE CHANGES SO HAVE A REDLINE I WILL SUBMIT TODAY FOR THE RECORD.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER IN THIS REGARD.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE HAD BEEN MADE WEEKS AGO PERTAINING TO THE VISUAL SITE PLAN. AND SO THAT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE HAD BEEN MADE, AND I THINK THAT

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>> THAT'S CORRECT >> ASKED >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WITH THAT BEING SAID I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. IS IT ADEQUATE TO GO OVER THIS

REDLINE, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE WITHDRAWN AND RENAMED? >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WHO HAD ALSO ACCEPTED INCLUDE THE REVISION AS PRESENTED BY MR. WESTER IN THE DP TEXT AND ALSO AUTHORIZING THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF TO REVIEW ANY UPDATED TRAFFIC IMPACT INFORMATION AND TO INCLUDE ANY

CONSEQUENT MITIGATION IN ITS FINAL APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I WOULD

AGREE TO THAT LANGUAGE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: SO WE HAVE A MODIFIED MOTION TO ACCOMMODATE THE MDT TEXT AND LIKEWISE CERTAIN CONDITIONS WITH THE STAFF AVAILABLE TO OVERSEE IT. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

BE A YES AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE PASSES 5 TO 0. I HAE REQUEST FROM STAFF THEY WERE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND WE WILL TAKE A IVE MINUTE RECESS AND RECONVENE AT 10:12.

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>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS: WE WILL NOW RECONVENE THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY

[2. Public Hearing * REZ 2020-06 St Johns Housing Partnership - SR 16.]

>> WHICH IS ALSO A QUASIJUDICIAL >> WE HAVE A DISCLOSURE TO BE MADE, ANY DISCLOSURES CAN BE MADE AT THIS TIME.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I HAVE NONE AS WELL. IT IS 10:13.

DO WE HAVE A PRESENTER? GOOD MORNING. >> JOE SEELEY GROWTH MANAGEMENT. AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT.

I'M GOING TO GO GRAB HIM REAL QUICK >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: YOU HAD

BETTER MOVE BACK QUICKLY OR WE WILL MOVE ON. >>

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING. SO I AM MAP GULFSTREAM DESIGN GROUP 906 AND MITTEN STATE BLVD. AS THE STAFF REPORT SHOWS, AND JOE HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH IN THE PROCESS, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON STATE ROUTE 16 TO ALLOW FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS A RENTAL MODEL, NOT A FOR-SALE PRODUCT, DUE TO WETLANDS ON SITE WE WILL ALLOW A TOTAL OF EIGHT UNITS ON THE SITE. TWO RESIDENTIAL C CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL THREE AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE TO RESIDENTIAL Ã50 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE WETLANDS ON THE REAR AND BUFFERING GETS BACK TO THE LDC. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND GLAD TO ANSWER THEM I WILL BE WORKING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR OUR

CONSTRUCTION GROUP. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS?

SEEING NONE WE WILL PROCEED TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEM 2? LET'S START WITH LIVE AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEM 2?

FROM THE AUDIENCE? >> SORRY I HELD UP MR. CONRAD. DID YOU ALL HEAR FROM THE

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PRESENTERS, MR. LOTTIE? ALREADY? >> I'M GLAD I AM UP HERE.

BJ KALAIDI WEST 78 NEWCOMB ST. THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING UNDER SUBJECT ÃIT'S IN YOUR PACKET ÃSHOULD STATE CLEARLY THE ADDRESS 197 STATE ROUTE 16 AND/OR THE PARCEL NUMBERS FOR THE EIGHT PLOTS. THESE ARE EAST OF 201 STATE ROUTE 16 WHICH IS EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND MASTERS DRIVE REDDICK GAS STATION ON THE PROPERTY OWNED BY JD COONS WAS ENGULFED AND DESTROYED BY FIRE. WE REMEMBER THAT FIASCO.

THE NUNS GAVE THIS PROPERTY TO ST. JOHNS HOUSING PARTNERSHIP IN 2018.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NEXT TO EXISTING WETLANDS. SINCE ST. JOHNS HOUSING PARTNERSHIP IS ASKING FOR A DENSITY BONUS TO BUILD FOR TWO-STORY BUILDINGS, IT SHOULD NOT BE FOR MODERN INCOME RENTERS. 81 PERCENT TO 120 PERCENT INCOME. ALL UNITS SHOULD ONLY BE RENTED TO VARY LOW AND LOW INCOME RENTERS. ALL UNITS SHOULD ONLY BE RENTED TO VARY LOW AND LOW INCOME RENTERS. THE RENTERS WILL WALK TO THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 16 AND MASTERS DRIVE WHERE THE CIRCLE K STATION WILL BE BUILT. AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE PRICES ARE AT THE CIRCLE K. I DON'T SHOP THERE. AND ALSO, THE LAST QUESTION WOULD BE, WELL THIS PROPERTY BE OFF THE TAX ROSE, AND WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE NEED IT TO TAKE CARE OF THE POOR PEOPLE. VERY LOW AND LOW AND I KNOW THEY NEED TO MAKE A PROFIT ON THIS, BUT IF WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE, IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLEANING PEOPLE'S HOMES AND PEOPLES HOTEL ROOMS AND SERVING THEM THEIR FOOD AT FAST FOOD AND FOOD TRUCKS, SO I STRONGLY ASK THAT YOU START WITH THIS PROJECT IN THE COUNTY TO REQUIRE THEM TO VARY LOW AND LOW INCOME, AND THERE IS ÃI CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'M GETTING LOW ON MINUTES HERE. WHAT THE INCOME WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR THEM TO RENT THAT.

SO I HOPE EVERYONE GOT IT. VERY LOW AND LOW. NO MODERATE.

VERY LOW AND LOW, NO MODERATE. VERY LOW AND LOW, NO MODERATE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, THAT CLOSES PUBLIC

COMMENT >> CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? BILL LAZAR WITH THE ST. JOHNS HOUSING PARTNERSHIP. WHAT BJ SAID IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES ALL OF US HAVE. WE ARE ABLE TO BUILD WITHIN WHAT IT COSTS BUT ULTIMATELY EVERYTHING WE DO IS BASED ON THE DEBT SERVICE. IT'S NOT THAT WE MAKE A PROFIT ON IT. THE LAND WAS DONATED BUT STILL THE COST TO DONATE IT IN THE RATES AND INSURANCE AND ALL OF THAT WE WILL HAVE IS GOING TO BE A FUNCTION OF WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO CHARGE FOR RENT. NORMALLY WE ARE ABOUT $200 MONTH BELOW WHAT FAIR MARKET RENTS ARE BUT UNTIL WE GET IT BUILT AND WE SEE WHAT COSTS ARE, LUMBER PRICES HAVE DOUBLED IN THE LAST YEAR, SO THOSE ARE FACTORS WE HAVE LITTLE CONTROL OVER UNTIL WE ARE DONE.

OUR GOAL ON THIS AND THE DEED RESTRICTION WE AGREED TO IS VERY SIMPLE, THE EVERYBODY WE RENT TO WILL BE UNDER 120 PERCENT WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE'S GUIDELINES ARE.

OUR GOAL IS MOST OF THEM WILL BE UNDER 80 PERCENT, AND WE MAY GET LUCKY AND FIND ONE OR TWO IN THE 50 TO 60 PERCENT RANGE. IT'S BASED ON THE INCOME GUIDELINES FROM THE STATE BUT UNTIL WE GET IT DONE AND SEE ALL THE COSTS INVOLVED, WE CAN'T PROMISE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THERE BECAUSE IT'S ONLY EIGHT UNITS. THERE ARE THREE BEDROOM ONE BATH AND WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IT AT 87 EVERGREEN WE BUILT IN THE LAST YEAR.

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OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP IT, AS BJ ASKED, UNDER 80. THE FALLBACK IS WE STILL HAVE TO PAY WHATEVER THE DEBT SERVICE IS WHEN WE ARE DONE AND THAT ALLOWS US IF WE HAVE TO GO

TO 120, WE CAN. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I THINK THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE, WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I WILL LIVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 Ã 44 APPROVING REZONING 20 2006 ST. JOHNS HOUSING PARTNERSHIP, STATEMENT 16, REZONING BASED ON

FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON:

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: C LA MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: MAY I QUICKLY ADD ÃI WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK BILL LAZZARA FOR ALL OF HIS WORK ON BEHALF OF THE LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSING NEEDS IN THIS COUNTRY AND BOB GRAHAM USED TO SAY YEARS AGO HE'S DOING THE LORDS WORK AND I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. WE WILL MOVE ALONG INTO A

[3. Public Hearing * PUD 2020-03 The Pavilion at SR 207.]

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I HAD A MEETING ON AUGUST 26 AT 10:00 A.M. WITH LINDSAY HAGER WHO WAS WITH ATM AND SHE DISCUSSED THE OVERALL ASPECT OF THIS PROPOSAL AND SPECIFICALLY GOING FORWARD

AND THE NEED FOR CERTAIN SIGNAGE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER: MY NOTES SAY ON AUGUST 27 AT APPROXIMATELY 9:30 A.M., I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH LINDSAY SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.

AND I HAD SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS SHE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER FOR ME AS FAR AS THE

IMPACT.HAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: I DON'T RECALL ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE APPLICANT.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS: I BELIEVE I DISCLOSED THAT THE LAST MEETING I HAD A MEETING ON THE 27TH ABOUT THE PROJECT AND

DISCUSS THE DETAILS.>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: HAD A MEETING ON AUGUST 27 AT 8:30 A.M.. WE DISCUSSED THE DESIRE TO CHANGE THIS FROM CHT AND T.I.

TO A PUD AND A FLEA MARKET SITE THE WAIVER OF A 10 FOOT BUFFER IN THE EXISTING POND.

525 SQUARE FEET AND THREE ACRES AND WE DISCUSSED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE DISCUSSED JOB CREATION AND ALSO BRIEFLY DISCUSSED ÃWE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THAT IN. MR. HANSEN DISCUSSED THE DISCLOSURE OF IT BEING DONE AND RECOGNIZE THE PZA AND DISCUSSED THE STRATEGIC ACQUISITION OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND MET THE TIMELINE FOR THE SITE. THEY HAVE A TENURE TIMELINE.

LEGAL?>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ITEMS THREE AND FOUR ARE TO A DEGREE RELATED, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS THE INTENT OF THE BOARD TO HEAR ITEM 3 ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND VOTE UPON IT, AND THEN HEAR ITEM FOR ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO THEY WILL NOT BE HEARD

TOGETHER, BUT THEY WILL EACH BE HANDLED SEPARATELY >> THANK YOU FOR THE

CLARIFICATION. >> FOR THE RECORD, LINDSAY SENIOR PLANNER, 14775 OLD ST.

AUGUSTINE ROAD. I HOPE TO PUT GRAPHICS UP TO FILL IN THE CONTENTS OF THE PROJECT REQUESTS. ALSO WITH ME TODAY IS MR. PAUL HANSEN WITH THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT DIVISION OR BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT OR DURING THE PRESENTATION, HE IS AVAILABLE.

REALLY REALLY ARE IS THIS GATEWAY WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE THE FORMER FLEA

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THIS IS LOCATED IN YOUR MIXED-USE DISTRICT ALONG STATE ROAD 207 AND I-95 BUT ADJACENT TO THE BUSINESS COMMERCE PARK LAND USE CATEGORY THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROPERTY TO USE AND ENHANCE THESE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL USES AT INTERCHANGES SUCH AS THIS. WE KNOW WE ARE ALONG THE I-95 CORRIDOR AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S TRANSFERRING INTO THIS CORRIDOR OF WHERE WE SEE THESE KEYSTONE HEALTH PROVIDERS IN OUR COUNTY.

THE ZONING DISTRICT MAPS GIVES US CLARITY SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTY IS BISECTED BY TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS AND BOTH OF WHICH ALLOW FOR THE HOSPITAL USE DURING OTHER DIFFERENT USE CATEGORIES. BY REZONING THE PUD, IT CLEANS UP AND UNIFIES IT INTO A SINGLE ZONE DISTRICT WITH DEVELOPMENT PARAMETERS.

HOPEFULLY, TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE IS LINEAR, SO I'VE SPLIT THIS UP INTO TWO IMAGES FOR YOU. THIS IS A NEXT HER PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL RETAIL USES, UP TO 525,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL INTENSITY OVER THE SITE.T'S A SINGLE TENURE PHASE AND THERE IS A SINGLE WAIVER BECAUSE THE SITE IS EXISTING WITH THE STORM WATER POND SHARE WITH THE ADJACENT USES, JUST AT THAT BORDER WHERE WE HAVE THE POND AT THE EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA WE WOULD NOT HAVE A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER YOU SEE.

REGARDING SIGNAGE WE HAVE PROVIDED ON-SITE WITH THE PUD AND ALL OF THE SIDES THE PROPERTY OWNER AS PART OF A LARGER PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE FOR SIGNAGE ALTITUDE OF SEVEN. SO I AM REFERENCING IT HERE TO GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT WOULD BE WHICH HAS POPPED UP ON THE SCREEN AND IT WOULD BE THE SIGNED TYPE B AND THERE'S AN EXISTING SIGN THERE NOW AT STATE ROAD 207 AND THIS WOULD PROVIDE FOR AN ADDITIONAL SIDING UNIFIEDFOR THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THE PUD ONLY PROVIDES FOR SIGNING WITHIN THAT REPORTER THAT YOU SEE IN CHIEFLY THIS IS INSIDE TIGHT AND I WILL WALK US THROUGH THAT RECEIVED AND ESTABLISH IDENTIFICATION.

HERE IS ONE IMPRESSION OF A SIGNED TYPE AND HERE IS LIKELY ANOTHER IMPRESSION OF THE SIGNED TYPE IN HERE IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL USER WITH ANY TRACKER THAT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM. SO WE ARE REBALANCING TRANSITION USES AT THE CENTER CHANGE BY PROVIDING FOR AN ENTITLEMENT OF 525,000 SQUARE FEET THESE WOULD BE SKILLED PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL JOBS FOR OUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENCE AND WE ARE PROVIDING FOR THIS BUSINESS OF PROFESSIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AT THE MAJOR ROADWAY NETWORKS SO WE ARE COMING AND GOING AT THIS PORTION OF THE COUNTY. THEY RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUS PORT OF APPROVAL AND HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THAT? AND THAT CONCLUDES MY

PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE WILL MOVE IN TO PUBLIC COMMENT

>> WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 3. THE BUILDING OF STATE ROAD 207.

WE HAVE NO COLLINS. ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK I SEE NONE.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED AND WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? SEEING HIM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. THE PAVILION [INDISCERNIBLE] BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT

THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING ON WE WERE BUSY WITH THE ROBOCALL BOAT. ÃA ROLL CALL VOTE.

[4. Public Hearing * DEVAGREE 2020-02 - St. Augustine Marketplace Development Agreement.]

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>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I WILL BAS AS WELL. CONGRATULATIONS.

WE WILL MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ALSO A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM AND THAT WILL BE THE TIME FOR DISCLOSURE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: OKAY.N THIS ITEM, I DID MEET AT THE SAME MEETING ON AUGUST 26 WITH LINDSAY HAGER AND I DO BELIEVE, NOW THAT I'M REMINDED OF IT, MS. HAGER WAS ACCOMPANIED BY MR. HANSEN, I BELIEVE. WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT AND WHAT WAS ENTAILED WITH THE

SIGNS.> COMMISSIONER SMITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.I HAD THE SAME DAY AND TIME, AUGUST 27. I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH LINDSAY AND WE DID DISCUSS THIS PROJECT AS WELL AND SHE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: NONE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS: I MET AUGUST 27TH AND DISCUSSING THE SAME TOPICS AS THE OTHER

COMMISSIONERS. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I DISCUSSED MINE IN THE LAST MEETING. I HAD NOTHING TO ADD TO IT IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.

MS. SMITH? >> GOOD MORNING. GOOD TO SEE YOU IN THE COMMISSIONERS. HELLO COMMISSIONER WALDRON, WONDERFUL TO HEAR YOU

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: CAN YOU HEAR THAT? >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST FOR THE RECORD I AM ELLEN AVERY SMITH.

I ACTUALLY REPRESENT JOHN NALOXONE WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY UNDER THE NAMES AA HK LLP AND ST. JOHNS INTERSTATE, LLC. IS UNDER CONTRACT TO SELL PROPERTY TO BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER. WE WILL WORK HAND-IN-HAND TO GET THIS PROJECT APPROVED FOR THE GOOD OF ALL. AS SHE HAS ALREADY NOTED FOR YOU, THE PROPERTY THAT MR. ALEXA ON IN HIS COMPANY'S OWN, THIS 215 ACRES OR SO AT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF I-95 AND STATE ROAD 207. AND HE AND HIS FAMILY HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. PART OF THE PROPERTY HAS A MIXED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND PART OF IT HAS BUSINESS AND COMMERCE.

AND AGAIN, PART OF THE PROPERTY HAS A CHD ZONING AND PART HAS CI AND THEN YOU HAVE CW AND PART OF IT HAS A PUD IN THIS AREA. THE PROPERTY THAT IS SUBJECT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH WAS JUST FOR SIGNAGE. SO WE ARE ÃBECAUSE MR. ALEXA ON ÃYOU JUST REUSING ÃREZONE THE PUD WE COULD NOT ASK FOR UNIFIED PLAN WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING AKIN TO IT WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALLOWED BY FLORIDA LAW.

IT PROVIDES 215 ACRES AND THEY CAN HAVE UNIFIED SIGNAGE, AND ALL THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES WOULD BE TREATED AS ON PREMISES OR AS A SINGLE PREMISES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO GOING FORWARD, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DEALS WITH TWO MONUMENTS FOREGROUND SIGNS LOCATED ALONG STATE ROAD 207. YOU CAN SEE IN THIS GRAPHIC PREPARED BY ETM, THE LINEAR NATURE. HERE IS I-95.

MANY OF THESE PARCELS, INCLUDING THE BAPTIST SITE, DO NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ON STATE ROAD 207. SO THE IDEA IS THAT BAPTIST, BEAVER TOYOTA, WHICH HAS ALREADY PURCHASED PROPERTY, ALL OF THESE WOULD HAVE SIGN PLACARDS, BUT ON TO SIGN STRUCTURES ALONG 207. ONE EXISHIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LI. THE OTHER WOULD GO HERE AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARKETPLACE DRIVE AND HIS CONSTRUCTED ON HIS DINE AT A VERY HIGH COST TO PROVIDE THIS UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS COMMERCIAL PROJECT.

AND SO JUST ANOTHER LOCATION OF WHAT THE SECOND SIGN WOULD BE HERE, ANDTHEN YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A SIGN HERE AND THEY WOULD CHANGE WITH DIFFERENT USERS OR PURCHASERS WITHIN THIS PROPERTY. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOUR STAFF REPORT IS IN THE RECORD FOR ALL WHO WANT TO READ IT. AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY

REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL PROCEED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

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>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: WE WENT OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4. NO COLLINS.

>> BJ KALAIDI. AS I SAID BEFORE WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, THIS SHOULD NOT BE PASSED AND I WILL GET TO THIS LATER. THIS WILL JUST BE MORE CLUTTER ON STATE ROAD 207. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. THE PICTURES THAT WERE SHOWN BY THE LAWYER, IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE THEM A LITTLE SMALLER AND GET EVERYBODY'S NAME ALL HIS PEOPLE LIVE OVER THERE THEY WILL COME FROM JACKSONVILLE AND THE PALM COAST AND FLAGLER AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE. SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE JOBS BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE CLUTTERING THINGS OUT. BUT I ALSO HAVE MINUTES HERE. IT WILL BE PASSED BECAUSE THE LAWYER AND THE TEAMS GET UP HERE. BUT THE PROCEDURE ÃI'M GOING TO HAVE AN ANSWER. I'VE GOT AN ANSWER VERBALLY. AND I HAVE AN ANSWER IN WRITING. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. SEE ON YOUR AGENDA IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA IT SAYS LINDSAY HAGA WAS GOING TO PRESENT AND SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM THERE AND SHE WASN'T A PEER PREVENT Ã PRESENTING FOR THIS ONE. WE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE LAWYER. SO THIS CONCERNS ME, AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I GET IN WRITING THE REASON FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WE NEED TO STAY ON POINT. AND QUESTION WHY SO THE PUBLIC THAT'S NOT HERE AND THE ONES THAT ARE LISTENING OR NOT HERE AND CALLING AND WILL UNDERSTAND ABOUT OUR PROCEDURE AND THAT EVERYONE, WHETHER YOU ARE A LAWYER OR A DEVELOPER OR NOT WILL BE TREATED THE SAME WAY. AND ALSO RESPECT. RESPECT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED A LITTLE BETTER IN THIS ROOM HERE TODAY BECAUSE MAYBE YOU ALL CAN'T HEAR WHEN YOU ARE SITTING AT THE BACK. THEY GO OUT IN THE VESTIBULE AND TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. SO I'VE SAID THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST.

SO UNTIL WE LEARN THAT, WE HAVE TO REPEAT IT. AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS. SO LET'S JUST MAKE THE SIGNS TINIER AND THE HOSPITAL CAN GET THEIR NAME ON IT AND I'M SURE THE HOSPITAL WILL KNOW ÃPEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO GO.T'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING UP ANOTHER SIGN AND CLUTTERING THE AREA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND I'M SORRY THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT CALLING AND AS OFTEN AS THEY NEED TO ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING SO QUICKLY.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR

>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THIS IS DISTRICT 3. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT 2020 Ã02. ST. AUGUSTINE MARKETPLACE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FIND THE AGREEMENT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. HAVE A SECOND? HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

[5. Proposed Tourist Development Agreement between St. Johns County and the St. Johns County Chamber of Commerce Agreement Amendment.]

>> GOOD MORNING. >> TERA MEEKS DIRECTOR OF TOURISM AND CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT. I REPRESENT EACH ITEM ÃAGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND SIX.

NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AGREEMENT.

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THE TERM OF THE EXISTING AGREEMENT EXPIRES AT THE END OF THE MONTH ON SEPTEMBER 30 AND THE CHAMBER IS REQUESTING THAT THE COUNTY ENTER INTO A NEW THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THEM WITH ANNUAL FUNDING OF $80,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED FUNDING IN YEARS TO AND THREE OF THE CONTRACT. $80,000 IS THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING RECEIVED ANNUALLY BY THE CHAMBER FOR THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS OF THE AGREEMENT.

THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL REVIEWED THE REQUEST UNDER THE JULY 20 MEETING AND THEY REPORT THAT RECOMMENDED INSTEAD OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE THREE-YEAR CONTRACT THAT THE EXISTING CONTRACT BE EXTENDED FOR A ONE-YEAR TERM AND THAT THE ANNUAL FUNDING BE REDUCED FROM $80,000 TO $60,000. WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY IS THE OPTION TO EITHER MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CHAMBER'S REQUEST ENTRY. THAT FIRST YEAR HAVING AN OPEN-ENDED POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED FUNDING IN YEARS TO AND THREE THE TDT COLLECTIONS.

OR MOVING FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL TO AMEND THE EXISTING AGREEMENT TO EXTEND THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT FOR ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR WITH A FUND RATE OF $60,000. IN EITHER CASE, THE BUDGET IS BEING PRESENTED DOES HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDING WHICH IS THE CATEGORY TO COVER EITHER $80,000 WITH $60,000.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL PROCEED TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYBODY ON THE PHONE? >> MAY WE HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE?

>> MAP PRICE. 224 CHARLEMAGNE CIR. >> HOW CAN HELP YOU?

DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE? >> I DO.

GOOD MORNING, BOARD. I AM MAP PRICE, 224 CHARLEMAGNE CIR. IN PONTE VEDRE BEACH.

I AM ALSO THE INCOMING CHAIR OF DIVISION OF THE CHAMBER. TODAY I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO REMOVE FUNDING REQUESTED $80,000 PER YEAR FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS SO WE CAN CONTINUE OUR WORK. I WILL CITE TO SPECIFIC EXAMPLES TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. MY FIRST EXAMPLE PRESERVES THE KNOCK AT THE TRAILHEAD UNTIL I WAS ABLE TO PREVIEW THE WORK DONE. I DID NOT REALIZE THIS EXISTED IN MY OWN NUMBER. I HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE TIMES AND HAVE INVITED OTHERS OUTSIDE OF PONTE VEDRE THAT HAVE COME AND HIKE TEAR AND SUBSEQUENTLY SPENT MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY.

MY SECOND EXAMPLE IS A BUSINESS CALLED NORTH GUANA OUTPOST ON MY GLOVES.

NGO IS A LOCATION MORE STAND UP OUR BORDERS AND KAYAKERS CAN PUT IN AND ENJOY PADDLING DOWN THE LLANO RIVER. I HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT IS AN AVID STANDUP PADDLE BOARD AND HE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS LOCATION. HE HAS SINCE COME FOR THE DAY, SPENT MONEY AT HER IN GL AND NOW AT A LOCAL RESTAURANT. OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS, MANY OF US HAVE REDISCOVERED THE OUTDOORS AND I FEEL LIKE THIS FUNDING IS VITAL TO OUR EFFORTS TO MAKE ORE PEOPLE COME TO PONTE VEDRE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME NATIONAL ÃNATURAL RESOURCES. I CLOSE BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME FOR WHAT YOU DO DAILY

AND BY ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS RENEWAL. >> THANK YOU.

FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? GO AHEAD. YOU WERE ON THE PHONE.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> THIS IS ROB SCHLIEMANN I JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME PUBLIC

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I HAVE A LOT OF BIKING, FISHING, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE DESTINATION ARCHITECT PLAN AND THEN ADDITIONALLY ALSO FOR THE VISITOR CENTER.

THEY HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OVER THE PAST YEARS AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS TIME OF DAY OF COBIT WHERE WE NEED OUTDOOR RECREATION, IT'S AN INTEGRAL THING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FUNDING MOVING FORWARD. AND I DO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO RESTORE THE FUNDING. SO THESE TYPE INITIATIVES CAN BE

>> I KNOW THAT YOU FELLOWS THINK WE WORK HARD. I'VE NEVER BEEN IMPRESSED BY THE ORGANIZATION AND FLORIDA. COMMISSIONERS, GO WITH WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL REPPERT Ã RECOMMENDED. THEY RECOMMENDED IT FOR GOOD REASON.

YOU KNOW ALL THE REASONS. AND ANYWAY, YOU WILL BE INSULTING THAT ENTIRE BOARD BY TRYING TO OVERRIDE THEM. GIVE THEM $60,000. EVERYBODY'S GOT TO TIGHTEN THEIR BELT. THERE IS A LOT OF FREE FACEBOOKING AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF IN THE TWITTER STUFF AND YOU CAN GET THE WORD OUT ON THAT ORGANIZATION.

WE DON'T NEEDTO BE GIVING THEM EXTRA MONEY.THEY NEED TO TIGHTEN THEIR BELT.

PLEASE VOTE Ã >> ANY OTHER COLLINS? NO MORE CALL ENDS.

I NEED ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. SOUTHPARK BLVD. IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FL.

I HAD THE WHAT WE WANT AT THE CHAMBER IS TO ADD VALUES TO WHERE WE WORK WITH.

WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY AND WHAT WE DO IS IN LINE WITH THE ORGANIZATION.

I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT WHAT WE OFFER TOTALLY MATCHED DIVISION, THE ROLE, AND THE ROLES OF THE TDC PLAN. ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF DIVISION IS TO FACILITATE COUNTYWIDE MANAGEMENT PLANNING. AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.

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IN ADDITION TO THAT, ANOTHER GOAL IS THE LEVERAGE OF TOURISM INVESTMENT.

ALSO, ONE LAST THING IS THE ARCHITECT PLAN IS THE ACTION PLAN PUT IN PLACE FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE STUDY DONE IN 2017 WHICH THE TDC FOUND FUNDED.

AND WE ARE GLAD TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I'M ASKING YOU TO CONTINUE FUNDING ALL OF THAT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. GOOD MORNING, VICTOR

>> GOOD MORNING. VICTOR RAMOSE, 1789 LAKESIDE AVENUE, ST. AUGUSTINE.

GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. ESTHER MCCORMICK, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS VERY IMPORTANT DECISION. IT WILL HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN PONTE VEDRE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE CHAMBER'S REQUEST FOR A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT FOR $80,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND POTENTIAL INCREASES FOR YEARS TO AND THREE.

I CAN REMEMBER WHEN PONTE VEDRE HAD ITS OWN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.ND IT WAS STRUGGLING TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE AND SERVE THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES WITHIN PONTE VEDRE. IN A REMARKABLE SHOWING OF STRENGTH AND WISDOM, THE PONTE VEDRE CHAMBER AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER AGREED TO BECOME ONE CHAMBER.

I AM REACHING OUT TO YOU TO SAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE ARCHITECT PROGRAM FOR THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. EQUALLY IMPORTANT IS TO KEEP THE LENGTH OF THE PROGRAM TO A THREE-YEAR TERM. I BELIEVE THAT EACH OF YOU KNOW THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION THE CHAMBER HAS PUT INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT YOU REALIZE THAT YOU CANNOT FIND A BETTER PARTNER TO HELP DEVELOP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN PONTE VEDRE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

FOR YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO BENEFIT PONTE VEDRE.

IT HAS BEEN CHALLENGING DUE TO THE UNIQUENESS OF PONTE VEDRE. THE CHAMBER IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND DESERVES RECOGNITION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES CAPABLE TO CARRY IT THROUGH THE NEXT THREE YEARS. I AM CONCERNED THAT IF LEFT TO OTHERS TO IMPLEMENT AND MANAGE, ALL OF THE HARD WORK WILL BE LOST.

THIS WILL BE ANOTHER PLAN TO GATHER DUST. MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I AM MARKED WITH ADVANCED DISPOSAL AND I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. MY ADDRESS IS 100 SOUTHPARK BLVD.

IN ST. AUGUSTINE. THANK YOU FOR PULLING THIS ITEM.

I AM HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO APPROVE THE FULL FUNDING REQUEST OF $80,000 PER YEAR TO CONTINUE OUR WORK TO DEVELOP TOURISM PRODUCTS IN THE PONTE VEDRE AREA AND OPERATE THE VISITOR CENTER. THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE TDC AND THE CHAMBER

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>> >> BJ KALAIDI, WEST CITY. 8 NEWCOMB ST. A GENTLEMAN LEFT A PIECE OF PAPER HERE. I AM GOING WITH THE TDC RECOMMENDATION FOR 60,000 AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE IN A YEAR WHEN WE ALL WENT TO COVID-19 THERE IS A REASON THEY ARE DOING US AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW OUR BUDGET IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS COVID-19 AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAYING GIVEN TO THE GOVERNMENT ÃTHE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO GIVE US SOME MORE MONEY. WE STILL HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO TO, AND THE 80,000 INSTEAD OF THE 60,000, BUT THIS CAN ALL JUST BUCKLE UP. AND DO WHAT 60,000 SHOWS US THAT PONTE VEDRE WILL LEARN WHERE THINGS ARE IN THE COUNTY, AND I AM SURE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE TO WITH THIS COVID-19.

SO MINE IS TO GO WITH THE TDC RECOMMENDATION OF ONE YEAR AND $60,000.

AND SOME OF THESE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER, THEY CAN KICK IN SOME OF THEIR MONEY SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO MORE OF THEIR THINGS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO PAY TO BELONG TO THE CHAMBER. AND IT'S ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER, THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND I AM GLAD THE PONTE VEDRE KNOWS THERE'S A TRAIL THEY CAN GET ON AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH THAT MAYBE THEY HAVE LEARNED THERE IS A TRAIL AND NOT JUST WALKING IN THE WOODS AND ENJOYING THINGS.

SO IF YOU WOULD VOTE, I THINK WE NEED TO BE PHYSICALLY MONEYWISE RESPONSIBLE WITH ALL OF OUR MONEY AND THESE PEOPLE CAN MAKE DO WITH 60,000. I CRIED.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?

SEEING NONE, I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE WE

ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS.

A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 Ã324 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION ARE DESIGNATED AS THE AN AGREEMENT IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM THE FORMAT IS ATTACHED TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO PROVIDE TOURIST RELATED SERVICES FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM AND A FINDING OF $80,000. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IT GOES BACK TO THE RESIDENCE AND HELPS PROVIDE ONE OF THE FUNDING SOURCES WE NEED. STATE ECONOMIC FORECASTS INDICATE WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS WITH RECOVERING TOURISM.

IT MAKES UP 20 PERCENT OF THE STATE AND LOCAL REVENUES TO COME INTO THE COUNTY AND THAT'S FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND SUPPORTS FAMILY-OWNED BUSINESSES AND IS IMPORTANT WE DO TAT. THEY DO A GREAT JOB IN PONTE VEDRE AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DOES A GREAT JOB AND I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYONE AND LOOK AT THE REVENUE THEY HELP BRING

INTO THE COUNTY THAT'S WHY MAKE THIS MOTION TODAY >> SECOND

>> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TO BE HAD? WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

[6. Agreement with City of St. Augustine Agreement for Visitor Information Services.]

THE SPOT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE CONSIDERATION TO MOVE ENTER >> NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN WHAT THEY OWED TO THE EMPLOYEES IT'S ABSOLUTELY BIZARRE TO ME. EVERY SINGLE THING THEY DO NOW IS TO TRY TO GET MORE MONEY AND MORE MONEY WITHOUT ACTUALLY INCREASING SERVICES.

SO I ASKED THE CITY ÃI ASKED THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER TO LIMIT THEM AND WE HAVE TO TAKE

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I ASK YOU COMMISSIONERS TODAY TO LIMIT THEM TO ONE YEAR AND LET'S TAKE A LOOK ÃLET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP. LET'S SEE WHAT THOSE FOLKS ARE DOING BESIDES WASTING MONEY.

THANK YOU QUIPS ANY OTHER:? NO? PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? BJ KALAIDI. I LIVE IN THE CITY PLEASE IDE'S RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE EXISTING AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ST. AUGUSTINE PER VISITOR INFORMATION SERVICES TO EXTEND THE TERM FOR ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR AT A REDUCED CONTRACT PRICE OF $135,000. SINCE THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THE SCOPE OF SERVICES DUE TO COVID-19, THE COUNTY WILL BE FINANCIALLY WISE TO ACCEPT THE TDC'S RECOMMENDATION.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6.

>> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSE WE ARE NOW BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS: DURING MY BREATHING I ASKED STAFF TO IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES TO BE ALLOCATED TO THE SUNSHINE BUS SYSTEM SINCE BY THE LAST NUMBERS I RECEIVED OVER 50 PERCENT OF THE RIDERS OF THE SUNSHINE BUS SYSTEM LIVED OR WORKED IN THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, HOWEVER, ST. AUGUSTINE HAS NOT DECIDED TO FUND THE DEFICIT OF THE SUNSHINE BUS SYSTEM, LEAVING IT TO THE COUNTY ENTIRELY TO FUND AND I'VE ASKED THEM TO IDENTIFY SOURCES OF ÃWHETHER IT'S THIS OR SOMETHING ELSE TO HELP FUND THE DEFICIT PORTION TO THE RIDERS THAT BENEFIT AND PEOPLE WHO NEED A SYSTEM TO GET TO WORK, TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET TO MEDICAL SERVICES. IN ADDITION TO FUNDING TOURISM IN THE CITY. THIS SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST BASIC NEEDS AND WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND FUNDING. WE ARE PROVIDING THIS FUNDING THAT WOULD MEET THAT NEED AS A PRIORITY OVER TERTIARY REQUESTS. STAFF, DO YOU HAVE THOSE

NUMBERS? >> WE DON'T. WE ARE STILL WORKING ON IT.

WE CAN HAVE IT BY THE END OF THE WEEK, HOPEFULLY. >> THANK YOU.

IS THIS FUNDING OR ANOTHER WHEN AVAILABLE? FOR THE SUNSHINE BUS SYSTEM?

SAY IT AGAIN? >> IS THIS FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE SUNSHINE BUS SYSTEM?

>> I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH MR. DUNN. >> IS THAT ALL?

>> ASKED >> IS ANYBODY FROM THE CITY PHERE? TARA, I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BUT I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO SOME OF THE DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN USED HERE. IT'S $180,000 AND HAS BEEN $90,000 TWICE A YEAR PAYMENT.

IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT SERVICE REQUIREMENTS IN THE SCOPE AND I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD Ã SOME OF THIS GOES FOR COMPENSATION TO INDIVIDUALS FOR EMPLOYEES, IF YOU WILL.

OR VISITORS INFORMATION CENTER THERE ARE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED THERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, THROUGH COBIT, THERE IS ÃI SAW ÃI WENT TO THE STATISTICS, I THINK IT WAS THE MONTH OF APRIL, THERE WERE ZERO USE ÃVISITORS WERE SERVED BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE EMPLOYEES WERE NOT ON DUTY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, DID WE RECEIVE A REFUND OR WAS THERE ANY RETURN OF INVESTMENT ON DOLLARS AND YOU ANSWERED ALREADY SO I KNOW WE KNOW THE ANSWER. I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN ALL ASPECTS >

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SHORTFALL AND DURING THAT TIME? >> I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO BUT I AM NOT 100 PERCENT

CERTAIN. >> THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. AT LEAST YOU ANSWERED THAT IN A CLICK TO THE EFFORT OF THE FUNDING. THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN WAS.

SO THANK YOU. I DID NOT NEED TO PUT YOU IN THE SPOT ÃON THE SPOT.

I WAS REVIEWING THIS THIS MORNING AND I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON THE BOARD? >> ALL RIGHT.

SEEING HIM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AND TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 Ã345 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR ITS DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AND FORMAT AS ATTACHED HERETO, AMENDING THE EXISTING AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE FOR TOURIST RELATED SERVICES TO EXTEND THE TERM OF ONE ADDITIONAL YEAR AT A REDUCED

CONTRACT PRICE OF 135,000. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

YOU HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND >> HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NONE WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

[7. REZ 2020-13 SJC Utilities Expansion, request to rezone approximately 4.49 acres of an overall 14.48 acres from Open Rural (OR) to Public Service (PS) in order to allow for the expansion of the current St. Johns County Utilities facility located on site, specifically located at the NE corner of Arc Drive and Inman Road.]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM AND ITS REQUIRING DISCLOSURE.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THAT. COMMISSIONER DEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO DISCLOSE?

>> NO >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? NO

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> NO QUICK COMMISSIONER JOHNS >> I SPOKE WITH BILL YOUNG AND OTHER STAFF AT MY BREATHING AND PRIOR TO THAT ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AND THE DETAILS.

>> I HAVE NOTHING THAT NEEDS DISCLOSURE AT THIS POINT EITHER.

MR. FREEMAN, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. BILL FREEMAN AND I'M THE CHIEF ENGINEER WITH PUBLIC WORKS, 2750 INDUSTRY CENTER DOCTOR THIS ITEM WE ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 4.49 ACRES OVERALL, 14.4 ACRES FROM OPEN WORLD TO PUBLIC SERVICE.

THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF A ST. JOHNS UTILITIES FACILITY LOCATED ON SITE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF INMAN ROAD. THIS IS AN AERIAL, THE SITE THAT WE ARE REZONING IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP INDICATES THAT THIS IS ALL WITHIN A MIXED-USE DISTRICT. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ZONING MAP, YOU WILL SEE THE CURRENT SITE IN PURPLE. THAT'S THE SURFACE AND TO THE NORTH IS THE SITE WE ARE PLANNING ON REZONING. IN SUMMARY, SO WE ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE A 4.49 ACRES TO PUBLIC SERVICE TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITIES COMPANY AND WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 98 SQUARE-FOOT LAB AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY IS ON HIS OWN FOR PUBLIC SERVICE.

THIS IS AN OVERALL SITE PLAN, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER, THAT IS WHERE THE PROPOSED BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. AND AN ANALYSIS THE ZONING WILL ALLOW FOR THE TYPES OF USES PROPOSED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN AN AREA WITH OTHER NEARBY PUBLIC SERVICE BUILDINGS. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU CHRIS ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? SEE NONE WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7, REZONING FOR THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT? NONE.

SO WE HAVE NO ONE FROM THE:? NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I WANTED TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 Ã45 REZONING 2020 Ã13, ST. JOHNS

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FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

[8. Consider the proposed 2021 St. Johns County Legislative Action Plan and Top Three Legislative priorities.]

MR. RYAN. >> MR. CHAIR AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I AM YOUR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, MICHAEL RYAN. I THINK MR. FREEMAN KIND OF TOOK THAT FROM ME. MY GOAL IS TO PRESENT THE 2021 DRAFT ACTION PLAN.

AS YOU KNOW, IT'S COMPILED EVERY SUMMER AND IT'S ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTH PROCESS WE ENLIST THE HELP OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. WE COORDINATE WITH OUR STATE AND FEDERAL LOBBYISTS.

WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WE ENLISTED THE ASSISTANCE OF OUR TRIP DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS FOR THE CHAIR TO PRESENT THE FINAL LEGISLATIVE PLAN TO THE DELEGATION AT A MEETING THAT HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED AND WE ARE THINKING PROBABLY JANUARY THIS YEAR. AND OUR GOAL IS TO ALSO IDENTIFY THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES TO PRESENT TO THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL FOR INCLUSION IN THEIR DOCUMENT. THIS YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE PLAN HAS 13 SECTIONS. THERE ARE NO NEW SECTIONS THIS YEAR AND THERE ARE 69 INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BEACH NOURISHMENT AND CIRCUIT JUDGE AT THE ÃAND ALSO A NEW FACILITY GRANT REQUEST AND STATION MOSQUITO CONTROL. THOSE ARE OUR SECTIONS AND THOSE ARE THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES THE BOARD ADOPTED LAST YEAR.

AND OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO ADOPT A LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN IS PRESENTED TO YOU OR WITH CHANGES UPON OUR REQUEST AND IDENTIFY THE THREE TOP PRIORITIES.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. >> NEVER UNDERESTIMATE YOUR CAPABILITIES TO ÃANY QUESTIONS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? GO AHEAD.

NAME AND ADDRESS >> TOM REYNOLDS, 15 BRIGANTINE CT., ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT ADOPTION PLAN BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING ON YOUR RADAR I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS. ANYWAY, SO WHAT I LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS THAT WE HAVE BETTER RECYCLING LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

WE HAVE BIG PROBLEMS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. MAYBE WE ÃARE THE HEALTHIEST COUNTY WHICH I'M SO PROUD OF BUT I KNOW YOU ARE TOO. I HOPE WE CAN WORK ON RECYCLING

AND THE NAVY TRY TO LEAD THE WHOLE STATE. >> ANY OTHER COLONS?

PUBLIC COMMENT ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM. >> ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS?

>> IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT

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COMMISSIONER DEAN? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? I WILL BE A YES AS WELL. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION NOW THAT THAT HAS PASSED, UNDER ITEM 13 ON THE LEGISLATIVE REQUEST, PUBLIC SAFETY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PUNDER 13 C, THERE IS THE REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION OF

EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROCLAMATION FOR 30 DAYS. >> EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAD CONCERNS WITH. ALL RIGHT. WITH AGENDA ITEM 8 NOW

[9. Local Preference Addition to Purchasing Policy - For Board Direction.]

>> JAMIE LECLAIR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING AND CONTRACTS.

THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A DISCUSSION ITEM TO GET DIRECTION FROM YOU ON DEVELOPING A LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY FOR THE PURCHASING POLICY FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN APRIL, I BELIEVE, THERE WAS AN INITIAL REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER WALDRON TO PUT TOGETHER A LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY, BUT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF ITEMS THAT REQUIRE DIRECTION FROM YOU FOR US TO DEVELOP THAT POLICY. THERE IS NO DECISION TODAY.

IT WILL JUST BE FOR US TO PUT THAT DIRECTION INTO THE POLICY TO BRING BACK UNDER CONSENT FOR APPROVAL AND ADOPTION INTO THE POLICY. THE PRESENTATION WILL TAKE US TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED DIRECTION ON AS FAR AS THE ASPECTS OF THE POLICY.

WE CAN GET INTO THOSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS WERE MS. LOCKLEAR?

PROCEED WITH THE QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. FIRST THINGS FIRST, IS WE HAVE TO DEFINE LOCAL. THERE IS A VARIETY OF DEFINITIONS OF LOCAL AROUND THE PSTATE, SOME AGENCIES DEFINE IT WITHIN THEIR BORDERS AND SOME AGENCIES DEFINE IT EITHER WITHIN THEIR BORDERS OR WITHIN THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES OR PARTNERING COUNTIES.

SO WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DEFINE AS LOCAL AND WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS ARE, MEANING WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS BECAUSE THAT'S A LOCAL BUSINESS TAX, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO THAT'S A DIRECTION I LOOK TO YOU FOR.

>> IF YOU DON' MIND, LET'S GO TO THE WHOLE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE WILL TAKE IT ONE BY ONE AND ADDRESS IT THAT WAY.WE KIND OF HAVE EVERYTHING TO ASSIMILATE IN CASE OTHERS MIGHT

HAVE A TOTALITY ÃA HOLISTIC APPROACH. >> DEFINING LOCAL EITHER JUST WITHIN OUR BORDERS OR WITHIN ADDITIONAL BORDERS, QUALIFYING AS A LOCAL BUSINESS IS A SECONDARY PART OF THAT. IS IT ONLY A LOCAL CONSIDERATION FOR THE BIDDER OR CAN THEY QUALIFY FOR LOCAL CONSIDERATIONS BY USING LOCAL SUBS.

AND THEN DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A PERCENTAGE THAT THEY HAVE TO PERFORM LOCALLY TO QUALIFY FOR THAT. IF THERE QUALIFYING WITH SUBS, THAT'S KIND OF THE SUBPART TO THAT. HOW MUCH OF THE WORK THEY ARE BIDDING ON DO THEY HAVE TO PERFORM AN AS LOCAL SUBS TO BE CONSIDERED A LOCAL VENDOR. SO THOSE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR WHAT IS LOCAL AND WHAT CONSIDERATIONS ARE LOCAL WE WANT TO PROVIDE AN POLICY ARE WE GOING TO APPLY LOCAL PREFERENCE? ARE WE GOING TO APPLY THAT TO ALL OF OUR PROCUREMENTS? WE DO BILLS AND FEES AND RQ'S DO WE WANT TO APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD AS A UNIVERSAL POLICY, OR DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A PARAMETER THAT WE ARE GOING TO APPLY THAT LOCAL PREFERENCE TO? ARE WE ONLY GOING TO APPLY IT TO BIDS ARE ONLY GOING TO APPLY IT TO BIDS AND RP'S INFORMAL SOLICITATIONS? AND THEN DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A THRESHOLD OR PARAMETER FOUR DOLLAR VALUE? DO YOU ONLY WANT TO APPLY LOCAL PREFERENCE UP TO HALF A MILLION, A MILLION, 2 MILLION TO BE ONLY WENT TO APPLY ON PROJECTS IN EXCESS OF A MILLION OR 2 MILLION, THIS KIND OF PARAMETERS.

DO WE WANT TO LIMIT IT TO A SPECIFIC TYPE OF SERVICE? WE PROCURE GOODS AND SERVICES AND CONSTRUCTION. LL OF THOSE ARE LIMITED TO R ONE.

DO WE WANT TO INITIATE A LOCAL PREFERENCE FOR THE PURPOSES OF A TIEBREAKER? SO THEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS. SO WE APPLY A LOCAL PREFERENCE

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AND THEN IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE LOW LOCAL BIDS WITHIN THE PERCENTAGE CONSIDERATION DO WE GO TO EACH OF THEM BEFORE WE GO TO THE NONLOCAL LOW BACK. IF YOU'VE GOT THREE WITHIN FIVE PERCENT YOU GO TO ALL OF THEM TO SEE IF THEY WILL MATCH BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO THE LOCAL LOW BED. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR LOCAL PREFERENCE CONSIDERATION FOR RP AND ARCUATE. OUR PEACE AND OUR CUES ARE DONE ON A SCORING AND EVALUATION CRITERIA. IT'S THE TOTAL POINT THAT MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION FOR AN AWARD. DO YOU ÃDO YOU WANT IT TO BE TIERED POINTS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POINTS FOR THE CRIME RESPONDENT AND THEN IF THERE QUALIFYING IS VERY DIFFERENT TIERED AMOUNT OF POINTS AND THEN BEYOND THE LOCAL PREFERENCE THERE ARE ÃIF WE ADOPT THE LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY, THERE ARE SOME PROCUREMENTS THAT IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY APPLY FOR AND SOME THAT IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO MEANING STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING WE ARE WERE PROHIBITED FROM USING LOCAL PREFERENCE WHAT WOULD BE AWAY FROM THE SPIRIT AND IF THERE IS ANY OTHER WAIVERS, DOES NOT ÃIS IT THE INTENT OF THE BOARD FOR THOSE DECISIONS TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR DECISION IS THAT WE ARE NOT DOING A LOCAL PREFERENCE AND WOULD YOU WANT TO DEFER THAT TO ADMINISTRATION? AND THEN PENALTIES FOR MISREPRESENTATION AS A LOCAL VENDOR IF IT'S FOUND THEY MISREPRESENTED THEMSELVES, WHAT PENALTIES ARE IN THEIR FLUID TO INCLUDE PENALTIES DID HAVE TO CARRY IN THEIR LOCAL VENDOR QUALIFICATION FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE CONTRACT OR IS IT JUST FREIGHT SOLICITATION TO AWARD. THIS CONSIDERATIONS FOR WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HAVE SUSPENSION, DISQUALIFICATION, THOSE KIND OF PENALTIES IN THE POLICY ITSELF.

THAT'S EVERYTHING IN A NUTSHELL. >> THAT IS NOT EVERYTHING BUT

THAT'S ENOUGH. >> DOES EVERYTHING FOR TODAY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS START AT NUMBER ONE AND TAKE OUR DISCUSSION AND COMMENT. LEGAL?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT FOR THE BOARD IF I MAY.

MS. LOCKLEAR, ÃMS. LOCKLEAR HAS PRESENTED A STARTLING NUMBER OF EXAMPLES AND SORT OF THE CHOICE, AND I THINK THAT IS GOOD FOR THE BOARD. I DID WANT TO SAY THIS.

PROCUREMENT IS VERY COMPETITIVE AND I JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND AS A CONSIDERATION, WHICH OF THESE THERE MAY LIKELY TO BE SORT OF CONTESTS ABOUT.

CHALLENGES, I GUESS, BID CHALLENGES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SOMETIMES THINGS THAT ARE MORE ASCERTAINABLE AND YET MAY BE MORE PREFERRED TO SOMETHING WHERE THERE COULD BE A DEBATED CHALLENGE AND THE OTHER THING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS I THINK SHE VERY HELPFULLY PROVIDED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND SORT OF A DIFFERENT SYNOPSIS OF THOSE. AND I WOULD SAY PROBABLY EACH OF THOSE, SORTABLE SORT OF HAVE BEEN IN WORK FOR A WHILE AND THEY HAVE BEEN REFINED SO BASICALLY THE VARIOUS

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THANK YOU. >> WE WILL MOVE THROUGH AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT BEFORE WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT AND HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER WE KIND OF HONE THIS A BIT.

NUMBER ONE, DEFINING A LOCAL Ã HAS ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONTACT? I GIVE THIS TO YOU FIRST

BECAUSE THIS WAS YOUR ITEM. >> I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. AN ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE THAT IS MY PREFERENCE ON

NETFLIX AND OFFICE FOR HEADQUARTER? >> HEADQUARTERS MIGHT BE TOUGH YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE COMPANIES THAT ARE REALLY LARGE YOU KNOW, I JUST ÃI THINK JUST AN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, ONE REASON WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP AS WE HAVE HAD DEVELOPERS IN THE PAST ÃTHERE WAS ONE DEVELOPMENT THEY SAID THEY CREATED X AMOUNT OF JOBS, BUT THE ONLY PEOPLE FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT WERE CONTRACTED WERE SUBS WAS THE IRRIGATION. YOU KNOW, SO THE JOB WAS NOT HELPING OUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. >> I AGREE WITH THAT.

THAT THERE BE SOME BRICK AND MORTAR OFFICE HERE IN THE COUNTY.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S DISCUSSION IN REGARD TO HAVING BRICK-AND-MORTAR PHYSICAL ADDRESS WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY 4 AT LEAST ONE YEAR.

>> YES. I WOULD AGREE TO THAT. AND ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >> NO SIR. I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER

WALDRON'S COMMENTS >> IS THAT CLEAR? >> YES.

AS A PHYSICAL ADDRESS, THE CONSENSUS IS WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY

>> IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR ONE YEAR OR MORE >> DOES NOT INCLUDE LOCAL BUSINESS TAX, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE, REGISTRATION OF THAT ADDRESS

CANNOT >> THAT WASN'T AN OPTION ON THIS LIST.

>> I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE A BUILDING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IT MAY NOT BE WHAT THEY HAVE REGISTERED THE BUSINESS WITH.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF DO WE WANT TO GO TO THAT LEVEL THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT IF THEY

HAVE IT FOR A YEAR, Ã >> I WOULD SAY MY POSITION WOULD BE THAT THE COMMODITY OR SERVICE BEING OFFERED OR BEING BID IS RELATED TO THE OFFICE IN THIS COUNTY.

WE CAN'T HAVE A ÃAN OFFICE WHICH IS TOTALLY SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE BID.

SO THAT WOULD BE LEGITIMATE IN REGARD TO SOME KIND OF STATE RECOGNITION TO THE TASK AT HAND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? FROM THE BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIR, I HATE TO INTERJECT AND WHATNOT, I THINK THERE ARE VARIOUS EXAMPLES FROM THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND AGAIN, I DO THINK THERE IS COUNTIES EXERCISE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE. SO UNLESS IT'S AGAINST THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE BOARD, I THINK ONE THING WE CAN DO IS HEAR THE BOARDS FROM THIS AND THEN FIND LANGUAGE FROM ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES THAT EXACTLY FITS TO BRING THAT BACK FOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD

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>> WAS MOVING ALONG. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR NUMBER ONE?

>> SO PHYSICAL ÃPHYSICAL LOCATION ONE YEAR MINIMUM PROVIDING RELATED SERVICES AND

IT DOES HAVE TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE? >> DOES THE BOARD AGREE? ABSOLUTELY. QUALIFYING AS LOCAL BUSINESS. OKAY.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY ELSE BUT THERE'S SO MANY EXAMPLES GIVEN BUT I THINK WE COULD PUT A PERCENTAGE OF LOCAL PERCENTAGE AFTER THAT THAT THE BIDS ARE NOT EQUAL SO IF A LOCAL CRIME IS QUALIFYING AS LOCAL USE OF SUBS IS 50 PERCENT LOCAL SUBS, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> PAUL, GO AHEAD. I WOULD SAY 50 PERCENT LOCAL SUBS. THE HYPER LOCAL PRESENCE EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT LOCAL IF HE USES 50 PERCENT SUBCONTRACTORS. THEY CAN BE DEEMED LOCAL IF THEY ARE PEOPLE, BUT 50 PERCENT OF THEIR SUBS ARE. CONNIE HAD A

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>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, COMMISSIONER JOHN R AND HARMONY.

THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? >> 50 PERCENT. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THEN MOVING ALONG.

NUMBER THREE. >> NUMBER THREE IS WHEN WE APPLY LOCAL PREFERENCE? WE CAN HAVE IT A UNIVERSAL PROPERTY WERE ALL PROCUREMENTS HAVE SOMETHING EMBEDDED IN THE MEANING THERE IS A LOCAL CONSIDERATION FOR ALL PROCUREMENTS, WHETHER IT'S INFORMAL QUOTES BIDS, RP, RQ 'S THERE WOULD BE A LOCAL CONSIDERATION ON ALL OF THEM OR YOU CAN ACTION THEM OUT. WE HAVE A LOCAL ÃAND THEN IT'S SIMILAR WITH C AND D WE WENT TO

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GET? >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON I WILL YIELD TO YOU.

NLESS STAFF THINKS IT'S TOO HARD, I WOULD GO WITH IT

ALL, PERSONALLY. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I AGREE WITH THAT BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. MS. LOCKLEAR, THIS MAY COME UP LATER. WE CAN DO IT THEN, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, YOU HAD MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT THERE MAY BE AN EXEMPTION IF THERE ARE STATE OR FEDERAL GRANT DOLLARS AVAILABLE. IS THERE SORT OF AN EXEMPTION LATER ON?

>> YES. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT WHEN WE DO TALK ABOUT LOCAL PREFERENCE, WHICH I AM ALL FOR IS WHAT IF WE HAVE A [INDISCERNIBLE] FOR AN ITEM THAT IS MANUFACTURED IN ORLANDO OR MIAMI, IS THERE GOING TO BE AN EXCEPTION OR IN

EXEMPTION? >> SO IT SINGLE OR SOLE SOURCES HAVE TO BE POSTED FOR SEVEN DAYS, THAT'S FLORIDA STATUTE, SO THERE WOULD NOT BE A CONSIDERATION FOR A LOCAL ALTERNATIVE UNLESS SOMEBODY RESPONDS TO THAT SEVEN-DAY POSTING.

SO WE ADVERTISE IT THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO BY X, Y, Z BY COMPANY ONE IN ORLANDO.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COMPARABLE SIMILAR PRODUCT OR SERVICE, AND THEY WOULD EITHER RESPOND OR DON'T RESPOND TO THAT SEVEN-DAY POSTING. THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD

POTENTIALLY FACTOR IN THAT LOCAL CONSIDERATION. >> YOU CAN SEE WHERE I AM GOING, I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO PURCHASE A VERY NEEDED COMMODITY OR SERVICE.

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>> IF THEY ARE NOT LOCALLY HEADQUARTERED AS A FIVE PERCENT CONSIDERATION.

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TO EACH PROCUREMENT. >> ANY COMMENTS IN REGARD TO THE REVELATION OF DIFFERENT Ã OF TH OTHER ENTITIES AND THEIR USE HERE? IS THERE ANY DIRECTION OR

DESIRE? >> I HAVE A COMMENT BUT IT'S MORE BASED ON YOUR COMMENT.

I CAN BE VERY COMFORTABLE BECAUSE HE JUST SORT OF REINFORCED THE ISSUE SEVERAL WAYS. IF WE START GETTING INTO PERCENTAGES AND WE GET INTO DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND IT STARTS GETTING IN THREE-DIMENSIONAL SHIFT, I AM COMFORTABLE ON TOP OF THAT BEING A GOOD STEWARD. I AM COMFORTABLE BECAUSE OF THIS MAJORITY CAN BE A

TIEBREAKER AND IT CAN BE PRETTY SIMPLE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND

WALDRON, DID YOU HEAR THAT? >> I COULDN'T HEAR. >> THIS IS COMMISSIONER

BLOCKER. I DID HEAR THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, GO

AHEAD. >> I DID HEAR THAT. I WAS ABLE TO HEAR IT.

>> DO YOU AGREE? >> YES, SIR I DO AGREE. >> I THINK MORE COMPLEX WE GET, THE MORE WE WILL HAVE CONTESTING AND OTHER ISSUES AS WELL, BUT IT'S JUST Ã

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I AGREE. ONE OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND IS JUST TO GO TO YOUR POINT IS THE MORE WE COMPLICATE THAT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER TO IMPLEMENT OR FOLLOW, SO I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S A MORE SIMPLIFIED APPROACH.

>> SO COMMISSIONER WALDRON, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID? >> NO, I DIDN'T HEAR HIM.

>> I WILL LET COMMISSIONER DEAN SUMMARIZE IT. >> PAUL, WHAT I WAS RESPONDING TO WAS THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENT THAT I CAN SUPPORT A TIEBREAKER APPROACH AS TO HAVE AN OPTION TO MATCH THE LOW BID. IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU ALL.

IF THEY ARE CLOSE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO BACK AND ALLOW THE LOCAL COMPANY TO MATCH THAT

>> WHERE DOES THAT COME IN LEGALLY? >> THAT COMES IN ON SEE.

THERE ARE TWO WAYS THIS HAS BEEN DONE OR IMPLEMENTED IN POLICY.

THE FIRST WAY IS IF THERE IS A LOCAL BID WITHIN THE PERCENTAG , WHATEVER YOUR PERCENTAGE IS, YOU AWARD THEM OF THEIR BID AMOUNT. MEANING IF THEY ARE WITHIN FIVE PERCENT. IF THEY ARE 2 1/2 PERCENT HIGHER, YOU WERE TO THEM AT THAT 2 1/2 PERCENT HIGHER. THE OTHER WAY IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN POLICY IS IF THEY ARE WITHIN THE PERCENTAGE CONSIDERATION, YOU ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH OR BEAT THE LOW BID. SO YOU TELL THEM HEY, YOU ARE THE LOCAL BIDDER WITHIN X PERCENT, YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH THE LOW BID, WHICH IS X. AND THEY EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE. IF THEY DISAGREE, THE CONSIDERATION IS DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER LOCAL BIDDERS WITHIN THAT PERCENTAGE OR YOU JUST GO TO YOUR LOW BID, NONLOCAL LOW

BID.>> OKAY. AT THAT POINT YOU WILL PROBABLY ÃSOME OF THOSE HAD TIERED SYSTEMS AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE THE MATCHING BIDDER OR COMPETITIVE TO BEAT THAT THEN.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ADD TO IT OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU

WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: NO, I KIND OF WANT TO STICK WITH THAT.

IT CAN ADD UP. LIKE YOU SAID, THERE WERE 19 BIDS, BUT IF THEY ARE $10,000,

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>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF A LOW BIDDER IS NOT LOCAL, AND A LOCAL BIDDER IS VERY CLOSE GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH THE LOW BID, IT GIVES US THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

WE ARE GETTING THE LOW BID BY THE LOCAL VENDOR TO LOWER THEIR PRICE A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS. WHATEVER THAT RANGE MAY BE. SO THAT IS LEGALLY ALLOWED? WHAT IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, I NOTICED FROM HIS LOCK YOURS CHART, CLAY COUNTY HAS A PROVISION, THE LOCAL BIDDER HAS 48 HOURS TO MATCH OR BE LOW BID.

NOW, WHAT I WOULD DO AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IF THE DIRECTION WERE GIVEN TO HAVE THIS LOW BID PROVISION, I WOULD REACH OUT TO CLAY COUNTY. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD DO OUR OWN HOMEWORK TO ASCERTAIN THE DEPENDABILITY OF THAT. IT DOES COMFORT ME THAT CLAY COUNTY APPARENTLY HAS THIS PROVISION THROUGH THEY ARE A SOPHISTICATED COUNTY TO HAVE STRONG COUNTY DEPARTMENT. BUT IF THE BOARD WANTED TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, I WOULD PRESUME THAT IS LAWFUL, BUT WE WOULD DO THE HOMEWORK AND ASCERTAIN THE DEPENDABILITY.

THANK YOU. >> I WILL TELL YOU WE LOOKED AT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, 78 COUNTIES INTO CITIES. ALL OF THEM BUT ONE HAS A MATCH OR BEAT PROVISION.

SO THEIR LOCAL PREFERENCE IS THEY GIVE THEIR LOW LOCAL BIDDER WITHIN THEIR PERCENTAGE

THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH. >> WERE MOST OF THOSE SOME KIND OF TIERED PERCENTAGES AS WELL?

OR WERE THEY FLAT? >> SOME OF THEM ARE FLAT, SARASOTA COUNTY IS FLAT, MONROE COUNTY IS FLAT, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IS FLAT. LUCIA IS FLAT.

THERE IS JUST THE CHANGING CONSIDERATION THEY ARE PROPOSING LOCAL SUBS.

FLAGLER IS TIERED, BROWARD IS TIERED, PASCO IS TIERED, THE CITY OF PORT ORANGE IS TIERED.

>> WHAT WAS THE FLAT RATE ON MOST OF THOSE? >> PLAY IS FIVE UP TO 5 MILLIO , VOLUSIA IS THREE WITH TWO ADDITIONAL FOR SUBS, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IS FIVE, BROWARD THEY ARE TIERED SO THERE FIVE, 10 AND 15. SARASOTA IS 10 PERCENT, MONROE

IS 2.5 PERCENT. ANY OTHERS ARE TIERED. >> ALL RIGHT WITH WHAT IS THE BOARDS PREFERENCE IF WE DO IN REGARDS TO A MATCHING AMOUNT BASICALLY FOR A TIEBREAKER AND THEN THEY ARE AND WHAT PERCENT GO BACK AND THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH OR BEAT THAT BID, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND. FLAT, TIERED? WE HAD A FLAT WHAT WOULD BE, IF YOU HAVE A TEAR WHAT WOULD IT BE?

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> MAY BE A MISUNDERSTANDING, LET'S SAY THIS LOCKLEAR IS THE NONLOCAL BIDDER AND SHE BIDS $100 IN MY LOCAL BID WAS $125, I THOUGHT I WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH OR $100. WHY WOULD WE NEED ANY KIND OF PERCENTAGE OR TEAR?MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. HE SAID I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS COULD WE HAVE OUR LOCAL VENDOR YOU MAY BID HIGHER THAN A LONG NONLOCAL WHO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AND CHANCE TO MATCH THAT LOW BID GO IN THE LEASE IN OUR MIND WE GET A LOCAL BIDDER

AND WILL GET A LOW AMOUNT. WHAT AM I MISSING? >> BASICALLY YOU SET THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THAT CONSIDERATION IS FOR THAT LOCAL BIDDER TO MATCH?

>> WEISS? >> OTHERWISE YOU ARE GIVING EVERY BIDDER THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH. IF YOU DON'T SET A THRESHOLD OF FIVE PERCENT, BASICALLY THE FIVE PERCENT IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT LOCAL BIDDERS FOR THEM TO READ IF YOU DON'T SET THAT PERCENTAGE, IF YOU HAVE A LOCAL BIDDER THAT IS 50 PERCENT MORE, THEY WOULD ALSO GET THE OPPORTUNITY. SO EVERY ENTITY, WHETHER THEY DO FLAT STRUCTURE OR A TIERED STRUCTURE, THEY SET A PERCENTAGE OF CONSIDERATIONS. INSIDER FIVE PERCENT, THREE

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PERCENTAGE OF THE LOW BID. >> WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT, IS I WILL LOOK AT THE LOW LOCAL BIDDER AND IF THEY ARE FIVE OR SIX MORE THAT ARE HIGHER, THEY LOSE.

I WOULD GO WITH IT IS QUALIFIED AND RESPONSIVE, RESPONSIBLE AND RESPONSIVE, I WOULD GO WITH THE LOW LOCAL BIDDER IF HE IS WILLING TO MATCH THE NONLOCAL BID.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. >> AS A COMPANY OWNER THAT PROVIDES BIDS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE AT TIMES, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF HAVING THAT PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENT.

BECAUSE IF I DON'T HAVE TO SHARPEN MY PENCIL AND PUT A BID IN THAT IS TIGHT, NO ONE ON THE LOCAL VENDOR, I COULD PUT IN $1 MILLION BID KNOWING WHOEVER IS LOWEST I COULD MATCH WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY AMOUNT OF TIME PROVIDING THE MATERIAL, THE RESEARCH TO PROVIDE A QUOTE.I CAN JUST SIT BACK AND SAY SURE, I WILL

MATCH WHATEVER THE LOWEST. >> I HAVE BEEN ENGINEERING AND AM GOING TO PUT IN A LOW BID.

I'M GOING TO BE YOU. YOU BUT IN A MUCH HIGHER BID. >> IF YOU ARE THE LOW BIDDER,

IT'S A MOOT POINT. >> THAT'S MY POINT. >> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT THE LOCAL BIDDER IS 10 PERCENT HIGHER THAN THE NONLOCAL BIDDE , THE LOCAL BIDDER WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY MAGIC. IF THE LOCAL BIDDER IS 50 PERCENT HIGHER IN THEIR BID, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH THE LOW NONLOCAL BIDDER.

>> WHY WOULDN'T THEY IF THEY ARE WILLING TO MATCH THAT LOW BID, WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY? >> THAT'S A LOT OF TIME AN EFFORT TAKEN IN PREPARING THE PACKAGES. ESPECIALLY FROM THE MORE COMPLICATED PROJECTS.

IF YOU'RE NOT SPENDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF RESOURCES PREPARING AND SUBMITTING YOUR BID, YOU HAVE AN ADVANTAGE BY NOT SPENDING THOSE RESOURCES . YOU WILL NOT GET EVERY PROJECT LOCAL OR NONLOCAL. SO YOU HAVE TO BE JUDICIOUS IN WHICH PROJECTS HE PURSUANT SPENDING RESOURCES IN PREPARING A BID.IT'S NOT SAYING I'M GOING TO CHARGE $100 AN HOUR.

IS A DETAILED PACKAGE OF DOCUMENTS THAT IF YOU CAN JUST COPY AND PASTE AND PUT A NUMBER ON THE PACKAGE, IF YOU ARE NOT INCENTIVIZED TO PROVIDE REASONABLY COMPETITIVE PRICE IN

THE FIRST PLACE. >> I DO UNDERSTAND THAT NOW, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN THE REAL WORLD, I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BETHAN ONE LOCAL BIDDER.

AND IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE LOCAL BIDDER, THIS GOING TO BE AN INCENTIVE TO ME TO SUBMIT A REALISTIC DUE DILIGENCE BID. NOT JUST CUT-AND-PASTE. NOT FALLING ON THE SWORD ON THIS ONE. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST ROUTE.

I'M NOT CERTAINLY DISAGREEING IF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER SUPPORT, THAT'S FINE.

>> A PIC FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. IF I AM A LOCAL BIDDER AND I DON'T DO THE RESEARCH ON THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT, I MIGHT NOT BE QUALIFIED TO PERFORM A JOB.

EVEN IF I AM OFFERED TO MATCH THE LOW BID. I CAN SAY SURE, ALL MATCH THE LOW BID AND COME BACK LATER WITH CHANGE ORDERS. MAYBE I WILL DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN THE THEY DON'T THEY WANT TO BE THE LOW BIDDER. IF THEY ARE NOT INCENTIVIZED TO SHARPEN THE PENCIL IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT WINDS UP TAKING A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE TIME HEAR THEIR'S A LOT MORE BACK AND FORTH.

IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AT THE SAME TIME AS EVERYONE ELSE, IF THEY REALIZE EVEN IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE LOCAL BIDDERS, WHICH MEANS ABOUT GOOD POINT.

WHEN THE ONLY ONE OFFER THAT THE LOWEST OF THE LOCAL BIDDERS AND NOT ALL OF US.

>> THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I THOUGHT I WAS SUGGESTING THAT THE LOW LOCAL BIDDER WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH THE NONLOCAL.

>> BUT IF THERE IS ONLY ONE LOCAL BIDDER COMMIT STILL WANT THEM TO MAKE THEIR BEST EFFORT IN PROVIDING A REASONABLE QUOTE IN THE FIRST PLACE.> EVERY OTHER PERCENTAGE.

>> RIGHT. >> OKAY, THAT'S FINE. I AM IN.

>> SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO SIDES OF IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SET A PERCENTAGE, SEE YOU SET FIVE PERCENT, THEY HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE FIVE PERCENT IF YOU ARE STILL ONLY GOING TO THE LOWEST LOCAL BID IF THIS POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION FOR ANY

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BID? >> BUT YOU CAN LIMIT IT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR EXPAND IT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE WERELIMITED . THIS IS THE CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE HERE. WAS THE PREFERENCE OF THE BOARD.

>> I THOUGHT OF ONE OTHER QUESTION. HAVE YOU TALK TO THE OTHER COUNTIES ABOUT WHEN THEY IMPLEMENTED THIS BUT THE REACTION WAS TO THE NONLOCAL BIDDERS THAT HAVE DONE WORK IN THE COUNTY IN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS? BECAUSE IF SOMEONE IS NOT LOCAL AND IF YOU LIKE THIS WILL LESSEN THE LIKLIHOOD OF THEM TO CONTINUE TO BE THE RECIPIENT OF THE AWARDS, WE STILL WANT THE BEST PERSON IN THE BEST COST IN THE BEST COMPANY TO PERFORM THE WORK. WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE SOMEBODY UNINTENTIONALLY. IF IT IS A TRULY TIEBREAKER, OKAY.

BUT IF WE START ENCOURAGING OR STACKING THE DEBT TO LOCAL BIDDERS, NONLOCAL BIDDERS HAVE

SEEM TO BE LESS LIKELY TO BID ON IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? >> I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH ALL THE ENTITIES. I DO KNOW ALL THE ENTITIES THAT HAVE LOCAL PREFERENCE, THEY DON'T GET A LOT OF OPPOSITION OR THEY DON'T LACK RESPONSES TO THEIR SOLICITATIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCAL PREFERENCE. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO ESTABLISHING THAT PERCENTAGE IS THE LOW BID DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT EVERY PERSON AFTER THE MORE EVERY LOW BIDDER THAT IS BIDDING.

THEY ONLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIVE PERCENT. SO THERE COULD BE 25 OTHER LOW BIDDERS, BUT THERE MAY ONLY BE ONE WITHIN THE FIVE PERCENT THAT THEY HAVE TO CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH. BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING THE ENTIRE BID LIST TO REBID. IT'S JUST WITHIN THAT. IS A FINITE CONSIDERATION TO WHERE YOU ARE NOT JUST GIVING EVERYBODY BUT ONE A SECOND BITE OF THE APPLE.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT FOR THE LOWEST LOCAL BID THAT IS NOT THE LOWEST BID THE OPPORTUNITY. DON'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE THAT IS NOT JUST OPENING THE DOOR FOR MULTIPLE COMPANIES TO REBID, BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF STAFF TIME.

IF YOU GET UP TO THREE DAYS FOR YOUR FIRST LOCAL BID. >> AND IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE THE TIME BETWEEN DEVELOPING A PROJECT AND COMPLETING A PROJECT BECAUSE YOUR PROCUREMENT TIME IS GOING TO EXTEND THAT MUCH FURTHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TIME YOU

HAVE TO HAVE FOR THAT CONSIDERATION TO TAKE PLACE. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND OFFERING IT TO THE LOWEST LOCAL BID TO MATCH THE JEWS NONLOCAL LOW BID.

TO EXPEDITE THE TIMELINE. >> DOES IT HAVE TO BE WITHIN A PERCENTAGE?

>> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT. I WOULD START A FIVE PERCENT, 10 PERCENT. TO STAFF HAVE A PREFERENCE ON WHETHER IT IS FLAT OR TIERED?

>> NO SIR. >> YOU ARE THE ONES WHO HAVETO DO WITH THE DECISION .

>> OPERATIONALLY A FLAT PERCENTAGE IS SIMILAR, BUT THERE IS NO PREFERENCE AS FAR

AS WHICH ONE IS BETTER. >> 10 PERCENT OF THE LOW BID IS A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER FOR SOMEONE TO COME DOWN ON A LARGE SCALE PROJECTS. ON A LARGER SCALE PROJECTS, 10 PERCENT MIGHT NOT BE THAT BIG OF AN IMPACT ON SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS AND MORE FREQUENT

PROJECTS WE INTERACT WITH. >> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, TO

UNDERSTAND? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: I AGREE WITH THE PERCENTAGE IN THE LOWEST BID TO MATCH. THE NEXT HIGHEST BID. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE

BEST. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO

ADD? >>JEREMIAH RAY BLOCKER : I THINK THAT MAKES THE MOST SINCE

WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. >>JEB S. SMITH: LET'S GO BACK AND REHASH WHAT WAS JUST SAID BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. WE HAVE A BID. IT'S A NONLOCAL FORGET WITHIN 10 PERCENT OF THE LOWEST LOCAL PBID WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNIT TO MATCH.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE. WITHIN 48 HOURS OR WHATEVER IT IS WE CAN MATCH THAT LATER.

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ALL RIGHT? IS THAT ALL RIGHT? >> THE CONSENSUS IS 10 PERCENT?

>> I HEARD DEAN WASN'T GOING TO FALL ON HIS SWORD ON THIS ONE. >> ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO?

>> JUST TO MAKE SURE, FOR D WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT POTENTIAL FOR MULTIPLE LOW LOCAL BIDDERS TO GET THIS OPPORTUNITY. IT IS STRICTLY THE LOWEST LOCAL BIDDER THAT GIVES OFFER TO

MATCH? >> THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. IS WHAT I WENT THROUGH IT AGAIN. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD CLEAR UP NUMBER FOUR.

ALL RIGHT. TAKING A DEEP BREATH. NUMBER FIVE.

>> SO THIS IS WHERE PRICE IS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR. IS A FACTOR IN A GROUP OF FACTORS THAT GO TO THE EVALUATION. SO IT'S THE QUESTION OF DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A SET OF POINTS ADDED TO A TOTAL SCORE OF EVALUATION, MEANING THERE IS 100 POINTS AVAILABLE FOR QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE, PRICE, APPROACH, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.AND IF THEY QUALIFY AS LOCAL THEY GET AN ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF POINTS.

AS THE MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD I HAVE SEEN IT. AGAIN, THERE IS THE WHOLE CONSIDERATION OF DO YOU WANT SOME LEVEL OF A TIERED POINT SYSTEM WHERE IT IS SUBPRIME THAT IS LOCAL A NUMBER OF POINTS.F THEY ARE QUALIFYING AS LOCALS WITH SUBS, A SEPARATE

NUMBER OF POINTS THAT THE CONSIDERATION. >> OKAY.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE CHAIR, DO ANY OF THE RFP OR RFQ CURRENTLY HAVE SOME CRITERIA LIKE ESSENTIALLY LOCAL TIES OR DEMONSTRATION OF LOCAL TIES OR LOCAL EXPERIENCE?

>> WE DO NOT FACTOR ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THEIR GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE

A LOCAL PREFERENCE. >> BUT WHAT I MEAN THERE, FOR EXAMPLE.

WHAT IF AN EXAMPLE SOMEONE BASED IN ORLANDO BUT THEY HAVE HAD CONTRACTS WITH THE COUNTY.

IS THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA? >> THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS WHERE WE LOOK AT PAST PERFORMANCE WITH THE COUNTY. BUT IT IS JUST HOW THEY HAVE TO FORM THE WORK.

NOT SO MUCH PROXIMITY. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO

ADD TO THIS ONE? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: THINK A FLAT POINT INSTEAD OF TIERED WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO. WHATEVER STAFF OF THE BOARD ONCE READ BUT I THINK IT IS

JUST MUDDIED IT UP TOO MUCH. >>JEB S. SMITH: OKAY. COMMISSIONER DEAN? COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?

P6 UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >>JEB S. SMITH: POINTS TOTAL. DO YOU WANTED TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE POINTS? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT POINTS DIFFERENT TOTALS COMMIT 5 TO 10 POINTS HERE. CAN YOU LOOK UP SOME THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN REGARD TO IT? MOST OF THEM 100 POINT TOTAL AND SO IT IS A 5 TO 10 PERCENT WOULD BE THE RANGE.

>> THE ONES THAT HAVE FLAGLER COUNTY AS PERCENTAGE. FIVE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL SCORE. CLAY COUNTY IS FIVE POINTS SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE TOTAL IS. EVOLUTION DOESN'T TO PREFERENC , CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DOES FIVE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL, PUTNAM HAS NONE, BROWARD DOES A PERCENTAGE.

IF THEY ARE IN PASCO AND FIVE POINTS IF THEY ARE IN HILLSBORO OR HERNANDO HERE IN SARASOTA IS PERCENTAGE DOES 10 PERCENT IN THE MONROE COUNTY, IT'S A STAFF DECISION ON WHAT POINTS OR

PERCENTAGES ADDED FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE. >>JEB S. SMITH: ANY DESIRE IN REGARD TO THE PERCENTAGE OR POINTS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT MR. LOCKLEAR ON?

>> IF IT IS BASED ON 100 POINTS I WOULD THINK A TOTAL OF 10 POINTS WOULD BE THE LOCAL

PREFERENCE? >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. >> I THINK THAT IS FAIR.

I THINK 10 POINTS IS FAIR AND ADEQUATE. >> I AGREE.

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>>JEB S. SMITH: I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE LOWER, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO COMPETITIVENESS IS HELPFUL. BUT NONETHELESS, 10 POINTS IT IS.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ALONG TO NUMBER SIX. >> SO NUMBER SIX IS THE POTENTIAL OF POLICY ALLOWING FOR WAIVER OF LOCAL PREFERENCE. WE HAVE A UNIVERSAL LOCAL PREFERENCE WHERE IT IS CONSIDERED IN ALL PROCUREMENTS AT WHAT POINT DO WE WANT THE ABILITY TO WAIVE INCLUSION OF LOCAL PREFERENCE AND WHO HAS THAT ABILITY TO WAIVE IT.

SO ON STATE AND FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAMS, WE CAN'T USE HIM UP ON THAT SO THAT WOULD BE STATED IN THE POLICY THAT IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO US. BUT FOR COUNTY FUNDED PROCUREMENTS, I WOULD RECOMMEND INCLUDING RESERVING THE RIGHT TO WAIVE OR NOT INCLUDE A LOCAL PREFERENCE JUST BECAUSE THERE MAY BE PROJECTS OR SERVICES WERE PROCUREMENTS THAT DON'T FOSTER A GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE GIVEN AND FLEXIBILITY IN POLICY IS ALWAYS BETTER. BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE WARDS EXPECTATION FOR HOW TO BE GO ABOUT WAVING IT? IF IT IS A CONSIDERATION WHERE COUNTY ADMIN CAN DECIDE YES OR NO FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE. OR DO YOU WANT IT TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO APPROVE WAVING

LOCAL PREFERENCE ON ANYONE PROCUREMENT? >>JEB S. SMITH: COMMISSIONER

WALDRON? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: I WOULD THINK THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT WAY THERE ARE NO BIG DELAYS WE GET BOGGED DOWN.

I FEEL WE SHOULD GIVE THEM FOR 88 HOURS TO RESPOND. THAT WAY WE ARE NOT DELAYING THE PROJECT.

>>JEREMIAH RAY BLOCKER : I AGREE WITH THAT BUT I THINK WE CAN PASS AT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THEYCAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. I THINK THAT SIMPLIFIES AND

KEEPS IT MOVING . >>JEB S. SMITH: DO YOU WANT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT IS

WAIVED? >> I SAID AT THE OFFSET I WANTED TO GET BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF SOLE-SOURCE. WE'VE SOMETHING JUST OUTSIDE OF THE LOCAL AREA REGARDLESS WHERE ITIS LOCATED , BUT HAPPENS TO BE THE SOLE SOURCE. I DON'T WANT TO GET IS IN A BIND WHERE IT IS REALLY NEEDED. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WAIVER OF LOCAL PREFERENCE SO

WE DON'T GET CHALLENGED. >> I THINK THAT IS A VERY WISE THING.

ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF TO BE ON A LIST. >> FOR WAVING IN THE POLICY? THE ONES I'VE SEEN IS REALLY JUST A WAIVER OF ON ANY PARTICULAR PROCUREMENT WHETHER IT IS A FACTOR. AND THEN IT IS A QUESTION OF THE ONES I HAVE SEEN INCLUDES LANGUAGE THAT THE COUNTY ALWAYS RESERVES THE RIGHT TO NOT USE OR IMPLEMENT OR EXERCISE A LOCAL PREFERENCE ON ANYONE PROCUREMENT. BUT IT IS JUST DOWN TO WHO CAN

WAIT. >> THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU BUT I KNOW YOU BROUGHT THAT UP

EARLIER THAN THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. >> RIGHT.

MR. CHAIR, I DID WANT TO MENTION EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WOULD

PROBABLY FALL OUTSIDE. >>JEB S. SMITH: OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AUREOLE AND CONSENSUS? COMMISSIONER JONES?>> YES. >>JEB S. SMITH: THAT'S IT FOR

NUMBER SIX. >> YES OR. >>JEB S. SMITH: YOU SURE.

>> PRETTY SURE. >>JEB S. SMITH: SEVEN. >> NUMBER SEVEN IS A POTENTIAL FOR PENALTIES. IF WE HAVE A BIDDER THAT CEMENTS DOCUMENTATION WITH THEIR BID AND THEY ARE DEEMED TO BE A LOCAL VENDOR AND WE FINALLY HAVE MISREPRESENTED WHETHER THEY DON'T OCCUPY THE BUILDING THEY CLAIMED AS HER LOCAL QUALIFYING PRESENCE WITH A HAVEN'T MAINTAINED, IT'S KIND OF A PROTECTION FOR THE COUNTY OF WE SELECT A BIDDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM AND THEN DETERMINE THE QUALIFIED UNDER FALSE PRETENSES SO TO SPEAK.

WHAT IS THE COUNTIES RECOURSE WHAT IS THE PENALTY FOR THAT. MOST OF THE PENALTIES I HAVE SEEN IN THE POLICIES FROM OTHER AGENCIES IS THEY CAN LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO QUALIFY FOR LOCAL.

A TIME. . BUT THIS IS THIS QUESTION OF

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ENTIRE CONTRACT? >>JEB S. SMITH: WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: I LIKE THE ONE YEAR RATE CAN BE LESS.

IF THEY DON'T MAINTAIN IT, WE WANT TO GET THE PROJECT DONE. I WOULD NEED MORE GUIDANCE ON

THAT. >>JEB S. SMITH: MORE GUIDANCE ON HOW FOR TO TAKE IT IN

REGARDS TO MAINTENANCE STATUS? >> ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN AND OUT AND STRUGGLING. BUT LOCAL PREFERENCE STATUS WOULD BE PROBABLY THE BEST

OPTION THERE. >> IF THERE MISREPRESENTING THEIR LOCAL STATUS, THAT IS INTENTIONAL. I WOULD SAY AT LEAST A YEAR TO THREE YEARS.

MANY OF THESE CONTRACTS ARE GOOD FOR YEARS ANYWAY. SO TO GET CAUGHT ON A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT, SOME OF THESE HAVE ANNUAL EXTENSIONS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE AT LEAST ONE.

REGARDING THE MAINTAIN LOCAL QUALIFICATIONS, THAT IS MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE COMPANIES ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD AT LEAST DURING THE QUALIFICATION PROCESS.

NAVY UP FOR SIX MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS. MOST COMPANIES DISCUSS BUYOUTS UNLESS IT IS SOME UNUSUAL SITUATION. THEY ARE EITHER LOOKING TO BUY SOMEBODY OUT, BE BOUGHT OUT AND YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO GET A LOCAL CONTRACT TO ONLY BE BOUGHT OUT BY THEIR NONLOCAL COMPETITOR. NOT THROUGH LOCAL BUSINESS, BUT TO THEIR CORPORATE CONGLOMERATE. MAKE SENSE? SO I WOULD LEAN TO ONE TO THREE YEARS FOR INTENTIONAL MISREPRESENTATION DURING THE PROCESS. 6 TO 12 MONTHS FOR MAINTAINING THAT IT MAY BE LONGER DEPENDING ON THELENGTH OF THE CONTRACT . AND MAYBE DURING THE ENTIRE CONTRACT.

SOME OF THESE COULD BE MULTIPLE YEAR CONTRACTS. AGAIN, THE STUFF OF A PREFERENCE OR RECOMMENDATION? YOU WILL HAVE TO WIND UP MANAGING IT.

>> THE MISREPRESENTATION DURING PROCUREMENT IS KIND OF ONE FACTOR BURIED WAS FOUND TO BE THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY A VALID LOCAL, IT COULD TERMINATE OR CANCEL THE AWARD IF WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT. AND ALSO POTENTIALLY DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF MISREPRESENTATION, AND WE ALSO WANT TO REMOVE THEIR LOCAL BIDDER STATUS FOR THAT PERIOD

OF TIME. SO THAT IS ONE FACTOR. >> LET'S MAKE A DECISION ON UP TO NOT THE MAINTENANCE OF IT. COMMISSIONER JONES, YOU SAID ONE TO THREE YEARS PENALTY AND REMOVAL OF THE LOCAL PREFERENCE STATUS AND LIKEWISE WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF TERMINATION OF THE AWARD. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF?

>> YES. >>JEB S. SMITH: COMMISSIONER WALDRON, WHAT IS YOUR

PREFERENCE THERE? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: JUST ONE YEAR.

>> JUST ONE YEAR YOU SAID? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: YEAH. 1 TO 3.

>>JEB S. SMITH: ARE YOU CONSIDERATE OF TERMINATION IF THERE'S BEEN A

MISREPRESENTATIONOF TERMINATION OF CONTRACT AWARD . >>PAUL M. WALDRON: YES.

>>JEB S. SMITH: OKAY. COMMISSIONER WALKER? >>JEREMIAH RAY BLOCKER : I

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SIMPLE ERROR? >> AS FAR AS DETERMINING INTENTIONAL, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTATION NOT FACTUAL OR NOT FROM THE ISSUE.

THE DOCTOR DOCUMENTS TO SUBMIT WITH THEIR BID TO QUALIFY AS LOCAL.

IS A FAR OUT CONSIDERATION. I DON'T KNOW MOST OFOUR BIDDERS , WE JUST WANT TO CAPTURE IT IN CASE THERE IS LEVEL OF INTENTIONAL MISREPRESENTATION. IF IT'S AN UNINTENTIONAL MISREPRESENTATION, THE PENALTY COULD BE LESS, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO CIRCUMSTANCE QUICKLY LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY FRAUD WHERE SOMEONE HAS MISREPRESENTED THE DAVID CREDENTIAL OR SOMETHING FROM ANOTHER AGENCY IN THE PRESENT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INTENTIONAL

MISREPRESENTATION, THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING, CORRECT? >> YES.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DOING IS NOT PENALIZING COMPANIES IF THE STAFF MEMBER THAT MAKES AN HONEST ERROR. THERE IS POSSIBLE FOR THAT. COMMISSION IS WALDRON POINT WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING TRIBUTE I DON'T WANT ANY OF THOSE A BUNCH THE PUBLIC TO DELAY PROJECTS. AS LONG AS YOU FEEL CONFIDENT WE DISTINGUISH THAT, I WOULD GO

WITH THE YEAR. >> YOU COULD ALWAYS DO IT IS UP TO A YEAR IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHAT WILL DETERMINE WHAT THE LEVEL OF REVOCATION IS.

IF IT'S AN HONEST MISTAKE THEY SUBMITTED AN OLD DOCUMENT OR NON-CORRECT DOCUMENT, WE CAN LOOK AT TAKE AWAY FOR THREE MONTHS IS THAT YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS ONE YOU ARE BIDDING. OR IF IT IS MORE INTENTIONAL OR A MORE EGREGIOUS MISTAKE, IT'LL ALL BE COUNTED THE CIRCUMSTANCES RUNNING IT. IS A LEVEL OF CONSIDERATION WANT FLEXIBILITY FOR. WITH THE POLICY YOU WILL SAY OF TWO-YEAR AS DETERMINED BY

EITHER COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, THE BOARD OR WHOMEVER. >>JEB S. SMITH: ANYTHING ELSE?

>> THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME. I LIKE THAT. >> MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ÃI KNOW MS. LOCKLEAR KNOWS. ORIGINAL PURCHASING MANUAL HAS SOME PENALTIES OR CONSEQUENCE FOR PEOPLE MISREPRESENTING ON ANY TYPE OF IT I THINK IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT TOGETHER AND I THINK MAKE SURE THEY FIT TOGETHER BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION ÃAND I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO NUMBER THE BOARD COMMENTS IS DON'T FORGET ÃTHIS IS NOT JUST A COUNTY INVADER OR A COUNTY AND PROPOSER ARRANGEMENT.

YOU HAVE PROBABLY A NUMBER OF THIRD PARTIES AND FRANKLY WOULD LOOK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTACK A WINNING BID OR PROPOSAL. THEY WOULD HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO PICK APART ANY TYPE OF THING PUT IN OTHER WORDS, IT GOES TO THE POINT OF THE CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR, AS CLEAR AS WE CAN WHETHER IT IS A VIOLATION OR NOT.

OTHERWISE IT WILL GET THEM BACK BY EVERY OTHER COMPETITOR. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT.

THANK YOU. >>HENRY DEAN : THERE ARE A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT FACTUAL SCENARIOS THAT COULD CONFRONT US ON THIS VERY ISSUE. AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT UNINTENTIONAL MISTAKES OR UNINTENTIONAL FRAUD, MY THOUGHT IS WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE IN MY OPINION WE SHOULD COMMISSION TOGETHER QUITE A BIT OF DELEGATED AUTHORITY TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR SEVERAL ISSUES WITH NUMBER ONE, WHETHER OR NOT TO TERMINATE THE EXISTING CONTRACT ARE NOT. BECAUSE IT MAY BE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE TO GET THIS PARTICULAR JOB DONE AND IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO STOP THE PROJECT, GO OUT, REBID, GET NEW BEDS AND IMPLEMENT THAT. WOULD PROVIDE THE ADMINISTRATOR THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER FINISHING THE JOB OR HAVE THAT FINISHING THE JOB WITHIN BAR IN FOR FUTURE BUSINESS FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS. OR TO KICK HIM OFF THE JOB WOULD BUT AGAIN, THE TIMES OF

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A LOGICAL FRAMEWORK, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. >>JEB S. SMITH: WE HAVE A LOT

OF DISCUSSION ULTIMATELY COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED 7B. MY THING WITH A, B AND C WOULD BE MORE TO ALLOW THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO TAKE CARE THAT.

WE PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE SET GUIDELINES ON THE LIKE MR. MCCORMICK SAID.

SOME KIND WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN. I THINK THE FIRST COULD BE

HANDLED BY ADMINISTRATION. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. WE HAVE A GREAT MECHANISM FOR ADDRESSING THIS FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CAN HANDLE THAT AN ADDRESS THAT.

AND ONE AT THAT LEVEL. THERE ARE GOING TO BE FACT SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT COULD, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WELL PREPARED AS WE CAN.I THINK YOU WILL HAVE A LEVEL OF DETAIL OF INSIGHT WITH HIS STAFF THAT PROBABLY IS OUTSIDE OUR VISION.

I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT AND I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

>>JEB S. SMITH: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?THAT OFFERS VERY LITTLE PARAMETERS AT THIS POINT. THE PARAMETER IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HANDLES ALL OF THAT. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MAXIMUM PENALTIES IDENTIFIED, IF THEY ARE NOT ALREADY IN THE BOOK. THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.

>> IN OUR CURRENT POLICY WE HAVE VERBIAGE ON A POTENTIAL FOR A VARMINT OR A SUSPENSION FROM BEING ELIGIBLE TO SUBMIT ON PROCUREMENTS IN THE FUTURE FOR A LEVEL OF MISREPRESENTATION. I THINK THAT ONE IS PRETTY SIMPLE TO LINED UP WITH THE VERBIAGE IS ALREADY THERE. B AND C DON'T CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE QUALIFICATION OF LOCAL ONCE THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT AND PERFORMING WORK. AND THAT IS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THERE IN THE POLICY FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THAT STATUS INTO PERFORMANCE OR THROUGH PERFORMANCE OF THE CONTRACT.

>>JEB S. SMITH: WHAT IS A PREFERENCE OF THE BOARD? >> I TRY TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND I ALSO TRIED TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC TIME WHEN I SAID ONE TO THREE YEARS.

DETERMINE THE PENALTY OF 1 TO 3 YEARS. THREE YEARS WILL BE THE MAXIMUM

PENALTY FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE COUNTY. >> THAT IS WHERE I LISTENED TO IT ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO STAFF REFERENCE. THERE COULD BE FLEXIBILITY THERE. SO WHEN WE PUT IN AT ONE DEGREE THAT REDUCES THE FLEXIBILITY OF TO THREE WOULD BE MORE FLEXIBL . BUT ALSO IN REGARD TO FAILURE TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS, DO WE NEED TO BE DEFINITIVE ON THE. THERE IS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE. AN AWARD IF WE HAVE IT MAINTAIN ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN. THE LOSER OPTION TO BIT MORE.

OF THE FINISH THE PROJECT WE HAVEN'T LOST MONEY. AND THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR

STATUS. >>JEB S. SMITH: AT WHAT POINT? >> THE QUESTION IS HOW FAR INTO

THE CONTRACT DO THEY HAVE TO. >> THERE ARE SO MANY SHADES OF GRAY HERE AS TO THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIME. TOTALLY UNINTENTIONAL FOR THIS STUFF TOOK AT THE CLEANERS

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TO 3 YEARS .THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CAPTURE. >>JEB S. SMITH: OKAY.

DOES THE REST OF THE BOARD AGREE? >> I AGREE.

>> I AGREE AS WELL. >>JEB S. SMITH: ALL RIGHT. >> SO WAS THE CONSENSUS THEY

HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT THROUGH COMPLETION OF THE CONTRACT? >>JEB S. SMITH: WE DIDN'T GET THERE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GE .

I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR. >> THE BOARD IS STILL ON CONSEQUENCES.

>> I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AS FAR AS ESTABLISHING A MAXIMUM AND THE DETERMINATION OF THE

ADMINISTRATOR TO SEE WHAT THE PENALTY IS WITHINTHAT MAXIMUM . >> THAT THE PENALTY IS ONE THING. THE DEFINITION OF HOW FAR IT GOES.

ANYTHING ELSE? NUMBER SEVEN? IS THERE A NUMBER EIGHT?

>> NO, THERE IS NOT. >>JEB S. SMITH: OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? WE MADE SOME PROGRESS TODAY.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN THIS ONE UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WHICH WAS EIGHT, WAS IT NOT? NUMBER NINE.

PUBLIC COMMENT. KNOW? AUDIENCE?

LIVE AUDIENCE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>JEB S. SMITH: NO PUBLIC COMMENT ONAGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE . YOU HAVE SOME DIRECTION.

IT WOULD BE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMPOSITION OF SUCH.

[Reports]

WE WILL MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. >> NONE TODAY.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >>JEREMIAH RAY BLOCKER : NOTHING TODAY.

>>JEB S. SMITH: COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >>PAUL M. WALDRON: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS DURING MY TIME OF ILLNESS. I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FOR IT.

THE FAMILY AND MYSELF. TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW I AM IN REHAB RIGHT NOW.

I'M WORKING HARD AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING EVERYONE HAS DONE FOR THE PRAYERS OF

DEFINITELY HELP. I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. >>JEB S. SMITH: NOW GO WORK

OUT. >> OH YEAH. FOR 15 MINUTES.

>>JEB S. SMITH: ALREADY. COMMISSIONER JOHNS?> NONE TODAY.

JUST TO SAY WELCOME BACK COMMISSIONER WALDRON. W PARTICIPATING AGAIN.

>>JEB S. SMITH: WELCOME BACK. I HAVE JUST THE VERY BRIEF REPORT AND FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

THEY CAN GET NO WETTER, JUST DEEPER. I RATHER BE WET AND DRY LIKE CALIFORNIA. PLANNING IS IN FULL SWING. LEAFY GREENS ARE BEING PLANTED.

I WANT TO PRAY FOR OUR NEIGHBORS IN LOUISIANA, ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI, GEORGIA AND FLORIDA. ESPECIALLY IN REGARD TO A LOT OF THESE AGRICULTURAL CROPS AS WELL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER. COTTON AND PEANUTS ARE IN FULL SWING RIGHT NOW MOST OF THEM WILL BE UNDERWATER AND HAVE EXPLORED EXCESSIVE RAINFALL FROM SALLY. I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS UP AS WELL.

TCA PRODUCERS PRODUCERS ARE VERY CONCERNED FERTILIZER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE THE FRAMEWORK FOR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND BECOMING MORE ACTIVE REGARDING THE AMENDING OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THAT IS ONGOING. THAT WILL COMPLETE MY REPORT.

ADMINISTRATION? >> MR. CHAIR, JUST BRIEFLY TO THE QUESTION SHE HAS PRESENTED BEFORE THE BOARD ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS TO READ WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO

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WE ARE GIVING A COPY OF STAFF REPORT AND ARE BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY OR IF THERE'S A DISCREPANCY, STUFF IS ON STANDBY TO CLARIFY THE RECORD FOR WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTING GREEN THAT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS MOSTLY DONE AND AT WHOSE DIRECTION TO THAT WAS IN A MINISTERIAL TASK I UNDERTOOK AFTER SPEAKING WITH ALL OF YOU WHEN I CAME ON BOARD FOR ANY TIME AND OPPORTUNITIES TO ELIMINATE THE APPLICABLE BEHAVIOR AND GREAT EFFICIENCIES. THAT WAS ONE AREA. BUT OF THE QUESTION WAS WHAT DEVELOPERS AND THE TEAM MEMBERS WERE CONSULTANT. DON'T HAVE A LIST OF EVERYONE CONSULTANT. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE WAS NO INDIVIDUL DEVELOPERS.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS WHO OFTEN PRESENT BEFORE THIS BOARD TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS INTEREST OR IF THERE WOULD BE ANY PROBLEMS WITH US REMOVING OUR PRESENTATIONS. THE RESULT WAS BASICALLY NO BIG DEAL.

THEY ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS MS. CLAY WAS ASKING. WHY WOULD YOU GET RID OF STAFF PRESENTATIONS AND I INDICATED STAFF MEMBERS INDICATED TO THEM, THE SAME QUESTIONS RELATED TO MS. CLAY. SHE ALSO ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT RESOLUTION WHEN IT WAS CHANGED.

STAFF WILL GET HER AN ANSWER. BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I TOLD HER I WOULD GIVE HER A WRITTEN. BUT JUST TO PUT ON THE RECORD TO CLARIFY HER FOR HER IN THE LISTENING PUBLIC LOOKING AND NOT SEEN STAFF PRESENTING ON EVERY TIME THERE'S A REZONING OR MAJOR MODIFICATION FOR YOU, THAT IS SOME CLARITY. SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE

RECORD. >>JEB S. SMITH: ANYTHING ELSE? COUNTY ATTORNEY?

>> I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE AND EMPHASIZE THE POINT MR. CONRAD JUST MADE.

FOR ANYONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, THERE'S A ROBUST STAFF REPORT IN THEIR SAY IN THE LAND USERS REZONING OR APPEALS FOR VARIANCES OR SPECIAL USES HEAR THEIR'S A ROBUST STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS AVAILABLE. ANY BOARD MEMBER CAN ASK FOR ANY PART OF THAT TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD FOR THAT IS ALSO TRUE AT YOUR APPOINTED BOARD FOR THE PCA AND OTHER APPOINTED BOARDS. I JUST WANTED TO STATE IT IS ALREADY OUT THERE.

LAST THING, NOT A REPORT BUT A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM. REGULAR ITEM 7 TODAY, WHICH WAS THE UTILITIES EXPANSION REZONING, THAT SHOULD BE ORDINANCE 2020 Ã46 INSTEAD OF 45. SOLUS THE BOARD OBJECTS, THE MINUTES WILL REFLECT 46.

>>JEB S. SMITH: ANYBODY OBJECT? CINQ NONE WILL BE A CHANGE FROM 45 TO 46.

ANYTHING ELSE NEED TO CO

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