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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. THIS IS THE MID ANASTASIA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AUGUST 19, 2020, AT 3:00 P.M. AND I'M GOING TO READ BOB, YOU DIDN'T SAY THIS PART, I WILL
[Reading of the Public Notices statement.]
READ BECAUSE THE CHAIR ALWAYS READS THIS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EXECUTIVE ORDER 2069 THE ST. JOHNS EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION, THIS MEETING MAYBE CONDUCTED REMOTELY WITHOUT A PHYSICAL QUORUM OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT. CMT IS THE ELECTRONIC PRESENTATION. FULL FRAME VIDEO AND SO FORTH. CMT INCLUDES GOVERNMENT TV, PHONE AND WIRELESS MICROPHONE. SHOULD PERSONS WISH TO SUBMIT PRINTED MATERIAL MUST BE PRESENTED IN ADVICE. ANY PERSON MAY ATTEND THE CMT CALLING THE NUMBER 209-1265 AND VIEWING THE MEETING ON GTV ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. BOB IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALLTHE MEETING TO ORDER. >> THIS IS BOB. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE WINN DIXIE SITE. WOULD THE OTHER MEMBERS CHECK
IN. >> THIS IS GINGER BORGMAN. I HAVE BEEN BY THE WINN DIXIE
SITE MANY TIMES. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> THIS IS DANIEL GREENE.
I HAVE BEEN BY THE SITE AS WELL THIS WEEK, EARLIER THIS WEEK. >> WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THE
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NUMBER AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> THANK YOU BOB.
TODAY WE HAVE TWO ITEMS BEFORE US. THEY ARE BOTH FOR THE SAME PROJECT BUT WE HAVE MADRD 2004 PER WINN DIXIE WALL SIGNS AND -- A NONZONING VARIANCE, 2021.
BRIEFLY THE BOARD HAS SEEN THIS ITEM BEFORE. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PREVIOUSLY THE BOARD CONSIDERED BOTH THE MAIN WINN DIXIE SIGN AND THE SECONDARY SIGN.
IN BETWEEN THE PRIOR MEETING AND NOW. STAFF HAS ADMINISTRATIVELY REVIEWED AND PERMITTED THE MAIN SIGN AND SO FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION, OUR APPLICATION WHAT WE HAVE IS THE SECONDARY SIGN WHICH IS 34.29 SCARE FEET IN SIZE AND READS WINN DIXIE, BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS. DUE TO THE SIZE OF THIS SIGN AT 34.29 SQUARE FEET, IT DOES EXCEED THE 24 FOUR FOOT SQUARE, IN REFERENCE TO 3.08 POINT D OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A JOINT APPLICATION HERE BOTH FOR THE OVER LAY REVIEW AND FOR THE REQUEST TO EXCEED THE 24 SQUARE FEET ALLOWED. I DO HAVE THE SIGNS HERE INDICATING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE WINN DIXIE WITH THE NEW LOGO AND THE BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS. AND I BELIEVE A PICTURE. OF THE EXISTING LIQUOR SIGN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT AND PROPOSED WINN DIXIE BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS SIGN IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER. THAT'S ALL I HAVE HERE. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT, HER NAME IS SAM, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'M SURE SHE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
AGAIN WE PROVIDED YOU WITH A STAFF REPORT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY. DO YOU MIND IF I KICK THINGS OFF?
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MY QUESTION IS, WE ARE EXCEEDING POTENTIALLY THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS.HAVING LOOKED AT THIS AND STUDIED THE BUILDING THIS MORNING, THERE IS A VERY LARGE WINN DIXIE SIGN OVER THE DOOR REPEATING WINN DIXIE OVER BEER, WINE, SPIRITS IS BASICALLY -- IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, THE REMAINING BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS WOULD SUPPORT WITH THE EXISTING REGULATION. SO, MY [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW IS TO APPROVE IT WITHOUT THE SECOND
WINN DIXIE COMPONENT. ANYBODY ELSE? >> THIS IS GINGER.
I HAVE A QUESTION. IN REGARDS TO WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR LIQUOR LICENSE, IS IT REQUIRED THAT A NAME OF A BUSINESS BE ASSOCIATED DIRECTLY WITH IT BEING ADVERTISING FOR
BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS? >> WELL CERTAINLY IT WASN'T BEFORE.
>> WELL, I MEAN. YEAH BUT WHAT WAS BEFORE IS NOT WHAT IS NOW EITHER.
I'M JUST ASKING, IF ANYBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
>> THIS IS JACOB. I WANT TO JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE AND KIND OF GUIDE A LITTLE BIT THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THIS SECONDARY SIGN IS. SO IN A SENSE, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS WINN DIXIE, WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS ESSENTIALLY ACTING AS A SECONDARY STORE FRONT AND SO THE OVERLAY PROVISIONS AND OTHER PROVISIONS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ESSENTIALLY TREAT THIS AS A STAND ALONE SIGN NOT PURELY A SECONDARY SIGN TO THE EXISTING WINN DIXIE. IT'S TREATED AS ITS OWN LIQUOR STORE. GINGER, I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY ANYTHING ABOUT REGULATIONS
REGARDING REQUIRING A NAME ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> I WAS JUST THINKING IN REGARDS TO OTHER PLACES WHERE IT SAYS PUBLIX AND THEY HAVE IDENTIFICATION IT'S PUBLIX, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR. I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING, EIGHT FEET LARGER THAN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S A STAND ALONE STORE.
IT'S NOT LIKE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND ATTACHED IN ANY WAY PHYSICALLY INSIDE THE BUILDING
TO THE GROCERY STORE. >> YEAH -- I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT WHAT JACOB MENTIONED IS RELEVANT, IT'S LEGALLY TREATED AS A STORE FRONT. IN LIGHT OF THAT, IT DOES HAVE RELEVANCE.
AESTHETICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SHEER SIZE OF THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING, IT BEING A LITTLE BIT OVER SIZED COMPARED TO CODE, IT DOESN'T REALLY STICK OUT AS AN EYE SORE.
I THINK IF ANYTHING, IT'S MORE PROPORTIONATE IN THIS INSTANCE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT
BEING BIGGER THAN CODE. >> OKAY. WELL, LET'S NOT FORGET, WE ARE THERE'S A VARIANCE HERE. I DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENCE GREAT POINT.
>> IF WE WERE TO TAKE AND LOOK AT A PROPORTION OF THE SIZE OF THE STORE FRONTAGE, AS 50 FEET WIDE THERE. AND HOWEVER MANY FEET TALL THE BUILDING IS IN TOTAL.
THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE PROBABLY WOULD BE WITHIN THE REALM AND MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A PERCENTAGE VERSUS ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT TODAY. THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY OF ADDRESSING THE ISSUES VERSUS
THAN SAYING X-NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET. >> HOW BIG IS THE SIGN --
>> HOW TALL IS THE BUILDING? >> BOB, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I BELIEVE THE EXISTING LIQUOR
SIGN AT LEAST -- >> NO [INAUDIBLE] >> HOW BIG IS THE SIDE YOU
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APPROVED? >> I BELIEVE I HAVE IT IN MY STAFF REPORT HERE.
>> 10 FEET WIDE. >> WELL, I WILL START REAL QUICK THE ONE THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED, THE MAIN SIGN WAS 166 SQUARE FEET REPLACING AN EXISTING 198 SQUARE
FEET SIGN. >> OKAY. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS DONE THROUGH EXEMPTION BASED ON OCA OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY CONVERSATION. WHILE I'M ON THE MIC.
I WANT TO READ, I HAVE IN MY STAFF REPORT. THE DEFINITION OF A NON-ZONING VARIANCE SO THE BOARD CAN BEST UNDERSTAND IT. NONZONING CARRY APSE IS A CASE BY CASE DEVIATION TO THE RULE WAS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT MUST BE DEMONSTRATED COMPLIANCE WOULD BE PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE OR ALTERNATE TO THE CODE THAT CONFORMS TO THE GENERAL INTENT AND SPIRIT OF THE CODE.
>> OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT CREEK SIDE, THAT SIGN SAYS WINN DIXIE AND BELOW IT IS THE BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS. SO IN APPROACHING THE STORE, IT IS ADVERTISED AS A WINN DIXIE COMPONENT. AGAIN, I JUST --
>> BOB, YOU'RE FADING IN AND OUT. THE LAST PART WE DIDN'T HEAR.
>> OKAY. DO I NEED TO REPEAT ALL OF IT? >> MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAPPEN TO BE ON A SPEAKER PHONE? IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE ON THE SPEAKER PHONE, IT HELPS TO GO
STRAIGHT TO THE HAND SET. >> OKAY. IS THIS ANY BETTER.
>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> MUCH BETTER. >> WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS, IF YOU APPROACH WINN DIXIE AND LOOK AT THE ROAD SIGN, IT SAYS WINN DIXIE BELOW THAT IT SAYS BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS. CONSEQUENTLY AS YOU APPROACH WINN DIXIE, IT IS NOT ANY JUST SIZE THAT THE BEER, WINE AND SPIRIT COMPONENT IS PART OF WINN DIXIE.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO-OR-DIE OVER THIS. I JUST THINK IT'S AN UNNECESSARY ADDITION THAT PUTS THEM OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND SO I WOULD PREFER NOT TO --
>> YEAH, I THINK BEING AWARE OF PRECEDENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO TREAD LIGHTLY.
ONE THING THAT KEEPS COMING TO MIND FOR ME IS A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY IS PUBLIX LIQUORS WHICH HAS PRETTY MUCH TO MY KNOWLEDGE EXACTLY THE SAME ARRANGEMENT OF SIGNAGE AS BEING PROPOSED
>> EXACTLY. THAT'S MY POINT. >> THE DIFFERENCE IS --
>> OKAY THE DIFFERENCE IS -- THERE IS A NAIL SHOP OR SOME RETAIL SPACE SEPARATING THE TWO.
>> BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF THERE'S SOMETHING SEPARATING IT.
IT'S STILL A SEPARATE BUILDING. IF WE START TREATING IT AS NOT A SEPARATE BUILDING, JUST BECAUSE
SHARING THE SAME FASCIA. >> JACOB, DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BASED ON WHAT YOU
SAID EARLIER? >> SO, THE CODE DEFINITELY SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT AN INDIVIDUAL ENTITY OR BUSINESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU IS ALLOWED IT'S OWN ALLOWANCES.
SO TRYING TO CONNECT THE TWO, I MEAN I GUESS I SEE THE POINT BUT ULTIMATELY, IT IS STAND ALONE FROM THE INTENT OF THE CODE. GRANTED THAT 24 SQUARE FEET STILL APPLIES.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY ITS OWN SIGN. >> YEAH. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT BEING OVER SIZED AND I DON'T SEE IT SETTING PRECEDENCE BECAUSE OF THE SIGN AND PROPORTION FOR THE BUILDING. AND IF IN THE FUTURE THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO ASKS FOR A VARIANCE. WE SAY LOOK AT THE PROPORTION OF THE BUILDING AND THE SIGN.
ESPECIALLY WHEREVER YOU HAVE OTHER SIMILAR PLACES THAT HAVE LIKE SIGNAGE.
>> AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO IN WINN DIXIE, THE ONLY COMPONENT OF THE SECONDARY STORE THEY DON'T SELL IS HARD LIQUOR. SO, BEER AND WINE IN WINN DIXIE. CONSEQUENTLY, ALL THAT SIGN
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NEEDS TO SAY IS LIQUOR. >> I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO GO INTO WINN DIXIE TO GO SHOPPING FOR THE WINE OR BEER.
THEY WANT TO GO TO A SMALLER FACILITY. THIS POP IN, POP OUT.
SO IF YOU JUST ADVERTISE JUST LIQUOR, IT'S MISLEADING BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT'S NOT ADVERTISING THE WINE AND BEER. AND GOING BACK TO THE POINT WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT WINN DIXIE, WINE, BEER AND LIQUOR. THAT'S ADVERTISING THAT YES, THEY ARE A GROCERY STORE.
THERE IS WINE AND BEER. HAVING A SIGN THAT SAYS WINN DIXIE NEXT DOOR THAT SAYS, BEER WINE AND SPIRITS DIFFERENTIATES IT FROM BEING THE GROCERY STORE. AND IT'S NOT JUST BAR AND GRILL.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE NAME WINN DIXIE THERE. >> WELL, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO FALL ON A CROSS TO FIGHT FOR THIS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE
AWARE IF Y'ALL THINK IT'S OKAY, I WILL GO ALONG WITH IT. >> YEAH, I THINK IT'S FINE.
I THINK YOU KNOW, FUTURE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVING A SECONDARY STORE LIKE THIS, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE NOT THE NORM. AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT EVEN WINN DIXIE ITSELF AND THESE OTHER SIMILAR STORES IN THE AREA, THEY ARE ALREADY ALL OF THEIR MAIN SIGNS ARE ALREADY
LARGER THAN CODE AS IT IS. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY WANT TO DO IT. IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WINN DIXIE CHANGES ITS NAME FROM WINN SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES DIXIE, THEY MAY CHANGE THE LIQUOR STORE TO SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES WINN DIXIE AS WELL AND MAY BE SOLD OFF AT SOME POINT IN TIME. IT LOOKS LIKE THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY CAN SELL LIQUOR IN THE GROCERY STORE. THEN THEY MAY WANT TO SELL OFF THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR RENT IT OUT AND IT MIGHT BECOME A CLOTHING STORE OR DRY CLEANERS STORE.
IT WOULD BE ENTITLED TO HAVE A BIGGER SIGN. >> YEAH.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR NONE OF THAT IS ANY OF THAT COULD HAPPEN IN FUTURE. GOOD POINT. THEN YOU CAN SAY, WELL, IT WASN'T APPROVED BECAUSE OF THE FACTS BEFORE. I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK LONG-TERM AS WELL AS WHAT IS CURRENT AND DOES -- AS JACOB SAID, YOU KNOW IS IT WITHIN THE REALMS OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES. SO. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
ALL RIGHT FOLKS. SO WOULD SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NON-ZONING
VARIANCE FOR THE SIGN. >> IF I MAY JUMP IN REAL QUICK. JUST SO WE'RE AWARE, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE DESIGN APPROVAL FOR MADRB 202004 FIRST. AND APPROVE THE DESIGN AND THEN
SECONDARILY WE WILL DO THE OTHER APPROVAL. >> I WILL DO THIS.
SO, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MADR D 2020-04 WINN DIXIE SIGN AS DESCRIBED IN THESE SUBMITTED PAPERWORK TO REPLACE THE WALL SIGNS AND PAINT WHITE ON FACE OF THE BUILDING.
3905 SOUTH. WITH THE SECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS
STORE. >> YEAH, I WILL SECOND THAT. >> ALL
>> AYE. AND THAT NEXT ONE. >> THE NEXT MOTION WOULD BE APPROVAL OF MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE NZDAR 2020-01 WINN DIXIE VARIANS FOR THE
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REPLACEMENT OF THE WALL SIGNS LDC 3.08.7 POINT D. THIS IS LOCATED 3905 A1 A SOUTH.SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE SIGNAGE FOR THE WINN DIXIE, BEER, WINE AND SPIRITS.
>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> YEAH, I WILL
AYE. MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> I SO MOVE.
>> SO, I AGREE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
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