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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY'S MEETING FOR JUL.
A MERE FEW HOURS AWAY FROM OUR VACATIN AND HOLIDAY. THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING TO ATTEND. THANK YOU FOR THAT, MIKE. ALL KIDDING ASIDE, WELCOME.
LET'S START WITH THE SCRIPTS WE HAVE NOWADAYSCONFIRMING MEMBER A PRIMARY MATTER I AM MIKE KOPPENHAFER, CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. PERMIT ME TO CONFIRM THAT ANY AGENCY OR STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT FISLY PRESENT CAN HEAR MOO. FELLOW AGENCY MEMBERS WHEN I CALL PLEASE RESPONDENT FROM THE- RESPOND IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. DR. MCCORMICK.
DR. MCCORMICK IS NOT HERE. DR. HILSENBECK. >> HERE.
>> THANK YOU. >> MR. WAINRIGHT WAINRIGHT. >> YES?
>> IS THAT YOU OVER THERE? MR. KOPPENHAFER IS PRESENT. MS. PERKINS.
>> PRESENT. >> THANK YOU. MR. ALAIMO.
>> PRESENT. >> AND MR. MATOVINA. >> I AM HERE.
AND DR. MCCORMICK IS HERE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, BILL, FOR CHIMING IN.
WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ORDER ON MY SHEET WE ARE SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THAT UP LATER.
COUNTY STAFF WILL PRESENT THEMSELVES WHEN THEY COME TO THE PODIUM.
PRODUCTION TO MEETING INCLUDING REMOTE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. IN ORDER TO MITIGATE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND REDUCE RISK OF THEY COVID-19 ILLNESS, THE GOVERNOR HAS SUSPENDED THE REQUIREMENT OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHOSE ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS USING A REMOTE PARTICIPATION THROUGH EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION NUMBER 2020-3 SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS INCLUDING EMAIL.
THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING VIA GTV OR BY STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S TWIEBT. THE WEBSITE ALSO PRIEFDZ TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING. EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT, PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED THAT PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING WHO DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT AND THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY TH.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MEETING IG RECORDED. FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO , IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL, PE CALL BACK. IN ADDITION, PLEASE SELF-TIME THE THREE OF MINUTE TIME LIMIT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THE THREE-MINUTE -- BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THE THREE-MINUTE COMMENT TIMER WILL BE VISIBLE TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE DELAY IN THE TRANSMISSION OF THE MEETING, YOUR TIMING WILL BE MORE ACCURATE. FINALLY, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONEE YOU ARE WAITING TO COMMENT. AND MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR COMPUTER WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING. ALSO WHEN YOU FINISH YOUR SPEAKING, PLEASE HANG UP THE PHONE BECAUSE IT ROLLS THROUGH TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT A FIVE TO NINE SECOND DELAY WILL ALSO APPLY TO VISUAL PRESENTATIONS, AND IF WE SNIRNS TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WE WILL RECESS WHILE THEY ARE RESOLVED AND THEN RESUME THE MEETING.
MEETING MATERIALS: THERE ARE MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
GO TO HOME PAGE UNDER AGENDA/MEETINGMINUTES AND CLICK ON TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING AND YOU WILL SEE THE LINKS TO THE AGENDA AND THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS IN ORDER TO ACCESS ALL OF THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS.
ROLL CALL VOTE. FINALLY, IF ANY MBT BOARD IS PARTICIPATING OH REMOTELY IAN VOTE TAKEN WILL BE CONDUCTED BY A ROLL CALL VOTE, WHICH WILL, OF COURSE, HAPPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS WHO ARE ON THE PHONE. ALL RIGHT.
UP NEXT IS READING THE MUMBLE NOTICE OF STATEMENT WHICH WILL BE READ BY MY VICE CHAIR.
MR. WAINRIGHT. >> PUBLIC NOTICE. THIS IS A PROPER NOTICED PUBLICG HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUO OFFER COMMENTS AT A DESIGNATED E DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRI SPEAK MUST INDICATE DOUGH BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS SCRAIBL FROM THE FOYER.
ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEERNLD AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR
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SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN . THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIM THE MEETING EACH ITEM AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH HE INDICATED WILL BE THREE MINUTES SPEAKERS SHALL IDENTIFY THEMSELM THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE TR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIM. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED E AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL AY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO AY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIE PRESENTED DURING A HEARING, SUCS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, R WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABR OTHER BOARDS OR THE COUNTY IN AW OR REPEAL RELATED TO THE ITEM. III.
BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY WILL STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSN REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE M OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF TE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTE PERSON INVOLVED IN THE MATERIALT OF THE COMMUNICATION.
CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANR EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.
WE SHALL IRECT ALL COMMENTS TO E ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.
>> MR. KOPENHAFER: THANK YOU, ARCHIE. UP NEXT IS A APPROVAL OF THE
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MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 7TH AND JUNE 4TH. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO NOTE ANY CORRECTIONS? AND IF NOT, MAKE A MOTION. THEN WE'LL DO A VOICE VOTE.>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> WE HAVE A -- >> SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FOR BOTH MAY 7TH AND JUNE 4TH.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A -- LET'S JUST DO THE ROLL
>> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES. MS. PERKINS. >> YES.
>> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA.
>> YES. >> DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES.
>> AND DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.
MEETING MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. FILE THEM RIGHT DOWN THERE.
OKAY. THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.
THIS IS THE SECTION WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
ANYONE IN HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEND IT OVER TO OUR I.T. FOLKS. ANYONE ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, WHICH I UNDERSTAND MIGHT BE MOVED HERE.
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>> AGENDA ITEM 1 IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE MOVED TO THE JULY 16TH MEETING.
THE STAFF DISCOVERED THERE WAS A VARIANCE THAT WAS NEEDED. >> ALL RIGHT.
THEN WE WILL NOT HEAR THAT BUT WE WILL VOTE TO CONTINUE IT. RIGHT.
BEFORE WE VOTE IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE AGENCY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS OR HAS THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, I WILL ACCEPT THE MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER
1. >> OFFER A MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> THANK YOU, MR. WAINRIGHT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SECOND.
>> SECOND MR. ALAIMO BEAT YOU TO THE PUNCH THERE. >> MR. CHAIR, TO CLARIFY, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE FULL MOTION AS STATED. OR I CAN DO IT IF YOU PREFER.
>> I CAN DO THIS. MOTION TO CONTINUE SUPMAJ 2020-09 ISLAND PREP ELEMENTARY EXPANSION TO THE JULY 16, 2020, PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING.
THAT'S THAT WE JUST APPROVED. AND SECONDED OR DID THE ROLL CALL.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT IF WE COULD ALSO HAVE AT LEAST ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION TO CONTINUE, IF NOT ON THE SUBSTANCE OF IT, BECAUSE THAT IS A BOARD ACTION, CHOICE TO COUNTY. SO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT
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LIMITED TOPIC. >> IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 1? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE IN THE AUDIENCE, DO WE HAVE ANY ONLINE?
>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL NOW VOTE ON THIS. MR. WAINRIGHT. >> YES.
>> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES. MS. PERKINS. >> YES.
>> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES. >> THANK YOU.
MR. MATOVINA. >> YES. >> DR. MCCORMICK.
>> YES. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE UNANIMOUS. MOVING THAT TO JULY 16TH.
UP NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 2. TERESA? >> THIS ONE IS ALSO A REQUEST TO
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BE CONTINUED. IT IS TO BE CONTINUED THOUGHT AUGUST 6TH PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING. WHAT WE DISCOVERED WITH THIS ONE IS THE APPLICANT HAS NOT ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE ANSWERED AND WE DID NOT HAVE THE COMPLETEINFORMATION TO BRING. >> YOU I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S A WASTE OF TIME IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION -- IF I CAN HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS. THIS WOULD BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE PUD 2020-02 EDMONDS FAMILY PARTNERSHIP BOAT AND RV PUD TO THE 8/6/2020 PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING.
>> I MAKE THAT EXACT MOTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MATOVINA.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. >> MR. ALAIMO GETS A SECOND IN.
ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 2? THE EDMONDS FAMILY PARTNERSHIP BOAT AND RV PUD. I SEE NONE.
DO WE HAVE ANY ONLINE? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.
WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. AND IF THERE'S NO COMMENT FROM AGENCY MEMBERS, THEN WE WILL VOTE. MR. WAINRIGHT.
>> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES TO CONTINUE.
MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> THANK YOU.
MR. ALAIMO. >> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA.
>> YES. >> DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES.
>> AND DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES. >> ANOTHER UNANIMOUS ONE.
OKAY. IF WE COULD ONLY MOVE THAT FAST ON ALL OF THESE OTHER ONES.
MR. ROBERTSON. >> THANK YOU. MIKE ROBOTICSON, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON PROCESS.
WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS FROM SOME CITIZENS REGARDING I THINK THE LAST ITEM, BUT IT REALLY APPLIES TO ANY THAT ARE GETTING CONTINUED. SO OFTEN WE WILL SET DATES, HEARING DATES, PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WITNESS BCC,ELING, IN ADVANCE OF REVIEW OF THESE APPLICATIONS BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT HAS OFTEN TIMING CONSTRAINTS, RIGHT? BUT TO THAT POINT, WHEN WE DO THAT IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED IN TIME AND IF NOT, IT'S ON THEM TO REQUEST FOR THAT CONTINUANCE AT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE TO ALLOW IT OR NOT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR THE PROCESS, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEND IT TO HEARING IF IT'S NOT READY. SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT THE ITEM WAS BEING PULLED BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
STAFF ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED THAT IT WASN'T READY, AND IT DOESN'T DO JUSTICE TO THE PROCESS, BUT IT ALSO PUTS THE BOARD IN AN AWKWARD POSITION IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT FOR THE RECORD THAT PEOPLE MAYBE THEY'RE LISTENING THAT IT'S REALLY TO MAKE THE A BETTER PROCESS. SO WHEN AN ITEM IS CONTINUED DATE CERTAIN FOR THOSE LISTENING, IT DOES MEAN THAT IT'S NOT READVERTISED IN THE THE PAPER OR A SEND-OUT SEND-O, HOWEVER, WE DO ENSURE THAT THE SIGN IS STILL THERE, THE ORANGE SIGN THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY OR ORGAN SIGNS, AND WOO ALSO WILL SEND A NEIGHBORHOOD -- ORANGE EXPIERNTION WE ALSO WILL SEND A NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS OUT AND THAT'S AN EMAIL THAT GOES OUT TO THOSE HORGSES THAT HAVE REGISTERED WITH THE COUNTY. ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE REGISTERED WITH THE COUNTY. LIKEWISE, IF THEY WERE WATCHING THIS, SO ALL THOSE INTERESTED, THEY WOULD FIND OUT FROM THE BOARD'S ACTION THAT IT WAS CONTINUED.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THOSE THAT HAD CONCERN THAT THE PROCESS IS THERE AND WE SOMETIMES MAKE THESE SUGGESTIONS FOR CONTINUANCE FOR GOOD REASON.
THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.
WE'VE BEEN SORT OF HOGTIED HERE A LITTLE BIT WHEN AN APPLICANT IS NOT COMPLETE AND IS ESSENTIALLY JUST IGNORING THE AGENCY AND LEAPFROGGING TO THE BCC BECAUSE THAT'S WHO THEY'RE REALLY HERE TO PLEASE. AT ANY RATE, THERE WAS OPPOSITION OR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I DID SEE ON 1 AND 2, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE HAD NOTHING IN THE PACKET I WAS JUST ASKING THE CONVERSATION WITH ALICE. WE ALMOST DON'T EVEN WANT TO LEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THOSE
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ITEM NUMBER 3. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT SUSAN VAN DYKE.HOW ARE YOU TODAY? >> FINE. >> GREAT.
YOU CAN PICK ANY MICROPHONE THERE AND START YOUR PRESENTATION.
>> HI. MY NAME IS SUSAN VAN DYKE AND I LEAVE IT 636 FRANCIS AVENUE STAWG, FLORIDA, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO -- SANTIAGO, FLORIDA EXPRIEM HERE TODAY TO HELP HOWARD HERBMAN WHO IS RIGHT BACK THERE, A FOLLOW-THROUGH WERE A SPECIAL USE MINOR 2002 FOR THE REPLACINGS OF 1973, 12 BY 40 MOBILE HOME TO A NEW MOBILE HOME BUILT IN 2020 THAT IS 56 -- EXCUSE ME -- 26 BY 56, AND IT'S LOCATED AT 4556 FIFTH AVENUE, SAINT AUGUSTINE.
THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE SITE. WHERE IT'S CIRCLED OR SQUARED IS WHERE HIS SIDE IS LOCATED.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN I SUBMITTED. IT SHOWS THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE OLD SEPTIC FIELD. THIS IS THE OLD SEPTIC TANK, AS LABELED.
HERE IS THE NEW ACCEPT TUCK FIELD WITH THE NEW SEPTIC TANK. RIGHT HERE IS THE OLD MOBILE HOME, AND THEN AROUND THAT IS THE NEW MOBILE HOME, PROPOSED MOBILE HOME.
AND IT'S ALL LABELED ON THE SITE PLAN FOR YOU WITH DIMENSIONS AND GRADES AND WATER FLOW AND SO FORTH. HERE I HAVE ONE I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT A LITTLE BIT LATER BUT -- WELL, OKAY. THIS IS THE MOBILE HOME TO THE DIRECT NORTH OF THE SITE. CAN I HAVE THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
THIS IS THE MOBILE HOME THAT WE'D LIKE REPLACED WITH A NEW DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME. THIS IS THE HOME DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH. AND THIS IS A MOBILE HOME.
IT LOOKED LIKE A HOUSE TO ME, AND THE OWNER SAID THAT IT'S A HOUSE BUILT AROUND A MOBILE HOME THAT WAS INITIALLY PUT THERE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A HOUSE, ALSO. THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET TO THE SOUTHWEST WHICH I BELIEVE HE SAID WAS A MOBILE HOME ALSO.
THIS IS RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM THAT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE. THAT'S TO THE NORTHWEST, NORTHERN-WEST SIDE OF THE SITE. AND THAT'S FURTHER UP THE STREET ON THE SAME SIDE, NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE SITE, DIFFERENT MOBILE HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED THERE. THAT'S AN EXTRA PICTURE.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF HIS NEW MOBILE HOME.
AND HE ALSO IS INSTALLING A THREE-BEDROOM NEW SEPTIC FIELD, ALSO. FOR THAT MOBILE HOME AND ABANDONING THE OLD ONE. OKAY.
I GOT A KICK OUT OF THIS. THIS WAS -- CAN'T READ IT FROM HERE. THIS WAS PLATTED IN -- WHAT DOES IT SAY? 1920 SOMETHING.
ANYWAY, WHERE IT'S CIRCLED AT THE TOP IS WHERE HIS HOUSE IS LOCATED, BUT THAT'S AN OLD PLAT MAP THAT I DUG UP.
THIS AGAIN IS WHERE HIS HOUSE IS LOCATED IN THE ZONING RS-3.
VERY CLOSE TO THE RMH MOBILE HOMES.
I GUESS THIS IS RESIDENTIAL C, AND I GUESS THAT'S SHOWING HIS
HOME AGAIN. >> FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
>> ARE YOU ABLE TO SHOW THE OTHER THINGS? I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE IT VERY WELL BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THAT THE PROPER AD WAS PUT IN THE PAPER NOTIFYING ALL OF THIS SPECIAL USE MINOR REQUEST.
IT'S GIVEN EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AOR 83 83 OA CHANCE TO YAY OR NAY IT. WE ALSO SENT OUT 30 ENVELOPES TO ALL THE DIFFERENTLY PEOPLE IN THE AREA.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN EARLIER.
WHERE THE BLACK XS ARE ARE ACTUALLY MOBILE HOMES, AND I BELIEVE THE LITTLE WHITE -- I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS AT FIRST. I GUESS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HOUSE. BUT THEY WERE MARKED AS HOME
HOMES, STICKVILLE HOMES BUT. >> IF I CAN DIRECT CORRECT YOU,
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THOSE ARE LITTLE MOBILE HOME ICONS.THEY'VE GOT LITTLE WHEELS UNDERNEATH THEM?
IT'S BASICALLY SHOWING, AND IT'S INTENDED TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT THIS THING IS IN THE MIDDLE OF WHATEVER, 14 OTHER MOBILE
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A HOUSE.
>> IT IS A HOUSE. IT JUST HAS WHEELS SOMETIMES.
>> THIS IS TO SHOW THAT PUBLIC WATER IS IN USE AT THE SITE NOW AND IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. AND I HAVE APPLIED FOR THE SEPTIC PERMIT NOTING AT THE TOP THAT IT IS -- THAT IT IS FOR A NEW SYSTEM AND THE ABANDONMENT OF THE OLD SYSTEM ALSO HAS TO BE INSPECTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN INTERESTING HE'LL HAVE A 33-INCH MOUND BUT USING AN ALTERNATIVE PRODUCT, HE'LL HAVE A 29-INCH MOUND THERE, GETTING AMPLE ROOM FOR THE PROPER DRAINAGE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> WE'LL ASK.
AGAIN, WE HAVE OUR NEW FORMAT. I'M TRYING TO GET USED TO THAT AS WELL. WE'LL THROOG THE ROLL CALL AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE THE APPLICANT.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD WE ALSO ASK FOR EX PARTE AT THAT TIME
DURING THE ROLL CALL IF YOU COULD STATE IF YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE TO DECLARE, AND ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. MR. WAINRIGHT.
>> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. DO I WANT TO SAY THAT CONTRARY TO THE A CON, YOU'VE GOT TO COWMP AND HIDE THE WHEELS.
-- COVER UP AND HIDE THE WHEELS. >> NORMALLY THEY TAKE THEM OFF,
AND THE HITCH TOO. >> THANK YOU, ARCHIE.
I HAVE NO EX PARTE TO DECLARE AND I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
MS. PERKINS. >> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS.
>> NO EX PARTE AND NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.
MR. MATOVINA. >> SAME HERE, NO QUESTIONS, NO
DR. MCCORMICK. >> NO QUESTIONS, NO EX PARTE.
>> THANK YOU. AND DR. HILSENBECK.
>> NO EX PARTE AND NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT
CARDS ON ITEM NUMBER 3? >> NO.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE FOR ITEM NUMBER 3?
>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT.
THEN WE'RE DONE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION UNLESS YOU HAVE
ANYTHING MORE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD. >> I DON'T.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR
A MOTION. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION,
DR. MCCORMICK, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR MOTION?
>> LET'S GO TO THE MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MIN 2020-02, 4556 FIFTH AVENUE MOBILE HOME BASED ON 11 CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> MR. WAINRIGHT IS SECONDING I IT.
IF THERE IS -- IF ANYONE HAS ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE ADD IN NOW.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL THEN. MR. WAINRIGHT.
YOU SAY YES. MORE KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES.
>> YES. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK.
>> YES. >> ANOTHER 7-0 UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR MOBILE HOME THERE. THANK YOU.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER 4, WE HAVE TRAVIS MINCH
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PRESENTING WHO WE SAW LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, DIDN'T WE? GOING TO BE COMING HERE NEXT TIME, TOO, RIGHT?>> I THINK SO. >> IMRURT NAME ON YOUR CHAIR BACK THERE. YOU CAN SAVE IT.
PUT YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS TRAVIS MINCH AND I LIVE A 1230 NECK ROAD.
TODAY I'M PRESENTING THE PROPOSED ROSEN DAHLE REZONING.
-- ROSENDAHL REZONING. IS THERE A CLICKER AVAILABLE?
>> I THINK IT'S OVER AT THE OTHER PODIUM.
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SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CANAL BOULEVARD AND NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL.IT'S A 2.19-ACRE SITE. IT IS LOCATED IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH. IT IS PART OF THE PALM VALLEY GARDENS UNIT 6 PLAT. THE PROPERTY IS MADE UP OF PARTS OR MADE. YOU OF HAVE OF LOTS 1 AND 2 SO IT'S PART OF THAT LOT AND IT HAS BEEN IN THAT CONFIGURATION SINCE 1975. THE FRONTAGE ON WILDERNESS TRAIL ADDS UP TO ABOUT 360 FEET ACROSS, AND LIKE I SAID IT'S A 2.19-ACRE SITE. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL B.
THIS CATEGORY ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR TWO UNITS PER NET ACRE.
OF COURSE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE, BUT THAT LAND USE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THIS REZONING. THE REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH IT. NO CHANGE IS NEEDED TO THE LAND USE AS PART OF THIS. THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN.
THE ZONING DESIGNATION CURRENTLY IS OR.
OR IS A CATEGORY THAT I LOT OF PROPERTIES SEEM TO HAVE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN REDESIGNATED TO EITHER PUD OR MORE SPECIFIC USE.
THE PROPOSED REZONING THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED IS RS 1.
THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL DAGGETT CABOT CATEGORY.
THAT'S TO REFLECT THAT WE'VE GOT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND THAT'S THE FUTURE INTENDED USE FOR ITS DEVELOPMENT.
AREA ON CANAL AND NEAR WILDERNESS TRAIL OR PUD.
THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.
YOU HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
THERE'S A RESTAURANT THAT RECENTLY WENT IN JUST DOWN THE STREET ON CANAL. THERE'S AN RS-2 AND CANAL REALLY HAS KIND OF A MIX OF USES. THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL, SOME COMMERCIAL. IT'S REALLY A POINT WHERE THOSE USES MIX. NOW, AS YOU GO DOWN WILDERNESS TRAIL, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT BECOMES PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE SEMI INSTITUTIONAL USES ON THE STREET, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU HERE IS A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXISTING ZONING CATEGORY, THE OR, AND THE RS-1 CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, AND I KNOW THAT CHART IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE BUT IF I COULD JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW CATEGORIES THAT WILL CHANGE IF THIS REZONING IS APPROVED. SO CURRENTLY IN THE OR CATEGORY, 100 FEET, AND WITH THE FLEW CATEGORY THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH WOULD ACTUALLY BE EXPANDED TO 120 FEET.
THERE'S ALSO A BUILDING COVERAGE REQUIREMENT THAT IN THE OR YOU CAN HAVE 35% BUILDING COVERAGE. THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE REDUCED DOWN TO A 25% MAXIMUM REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH THE SETBACKS.
FOR THE MOST PART THE SETBACKS ARE THE SAME, HOWEVER IN THE RS-1 CATEGORY YOU HAVE TO SET BACK THE STRUCTURE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET. I MENTION THAT BECAUSE NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL HAS BECOME A REALLY QUITE UNIQUE, VERY NEAT COUNTY ROAD. IT HAS DEVELOPED INTO A LOCATION WHERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE BUILT LIKE A CUSTOM HOME THAT THEY HAVE SET FURTHER BACK FROM THE ROAD.
IT KIND OF HAS THAT ESTATE FEEL, VERY RURAL, HIGH-QUALITY CHARACTER BUT A RURAL FEEL, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN PALM VALLEY APPRECIATE THAT AND WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT VIBE AND THAT STYLE. AND THIS PROPOSED REZONING FURTHERS THAT INTENT. IT DOES INCREASE THAT SETBACK, IN FACT, THE HOUSE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE SITED ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE SET BACK QUITE FURTHER THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIRES. SO NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL, IT CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS A LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THE HOME SITES DOWN THE STREET GENERALLY RANGE FROM ABOUT 100 FEET TO 150 FEET IN WIDTH. THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE REZONED, LIKE I SAID, HAS TO GET 400 AND 60 -- I'M SORRY -- 360 FEET ON NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL, AND WE WOULD BE TRYING TO
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DEVELOP ESSENTIALLY ONLY TWO HOME SITES, SO IT WILL STILL MEET THAT SAME SORT OF CHARACTER EVEN IF APPROVED.THE STREET IS UNDERGOING A LOT OF REINVESTMENT, AND AS I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL NEW CUSTOM HOMES BEING BUILT ON THIS STREET, AND THE RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY WILL ACTUALLY HELP PROTECT THAT STREET FROM ANY SORT OF ENCROACHING COMMERCIAL USES GOING DOWN WILDERNESS. THE RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY WILL ACTUALLY HELP FEND THAT OFF AND PRESERVE THAT.
I THINK A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS DOWN THAT STREET WOULD LIKE TO JUST CONTINUE TO SEE RESIDENTIAL AT THAT LOCATION.
ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, AND I'LL SWITCH TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER APPRECIATION FOR THIS POINT, IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP SLIDE, YOU SEE HOW THAT'S A PARCEL MAP, AND IT SHOWS HOW THAT PLAT WAS DESIGNED SO THAT ALL THOSE LOTS WERE ACCESSED OFF OF NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL. NOW THE RED HIGHLIGHTED PARCEL IS THAT SECOND PARCEL. THAT'S THE DOUBLE LOT, SO TO SPEAK, THE SECOND LOT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A HOME ON, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REZONING, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT LOT WOULD THEN FURTHER THAT PLAT BY ALLOWING ONE MORE HOME TO BE DEVELOPED IN THIS SORT OF PATTERN OF HOUSES ALL BEING ACCESSED OFF THE NORTH WILDERNESS TRAIL.
THIS PARTICULAR LOT WAS SEVERED BACK IN, LIKE I SAID, PRIOR TO 1975, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS LOT INTERSECTS WITH LOTS THAT ARE ALSO ADJACENT TO CANAL. SO BECAUSE THIS IS A TRANSITION POINT, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WILDERNESS AND CANAL INTERSECT, THIS PARCEL WAS SUBDIVIDED A LONG TIME AGO.
NONETHELESS, REZONING THIS PROPERTY WOULD ALLOW THAT ORIGINAL PLAT TO BE -- THAT ORIGINAL VISION TO BE CARRIED OUT. AND THE BOTTOM SLIDE IS, OF COURSE, THE TERRIBLE EXCUSE FOR A SITE PLAN.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL AT THIS MOMENT.
BUT NONETHELESS, THE BLUE BOX IS ESSENTIALLY INDICATING WHERE A HOUSE COULD POTENTIALLY SIT. I WOULD GUESS THAT'S 50, 60 DPEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE -- FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. YOU WILL NOTICE THIS IS THERE IS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE ON THE OTHER LOT, THAT IS THE ROSENDAHL. THEY DO LIVE THERE, 511 WILDERNESS TRAIL, SO THE REZONING WOULD JUST ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SECOND PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE OWNED FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
>> MR. CHAIR. DON'T FORGET EX PARTE, PLEASE.
>> SURE. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL IN JUST A SECOND, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, THE LOT, THE PROPOSED LOT IS .92 ACRES, AND HENCE SO YOU'RE UNDER AN ACRE AND THAT'S THE REAL TRICK HERE?
>> YEAH, -- >> THAT THEY HAVE TO REZONING
WE'RE JUST SHY OF THE 1 ACRE REQUIREMENT FOR OR AND SO WE KIND OF STUCK TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S GO THROUGH AND WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL AGAIN, SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND ALSO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE EX PARTE.
>> AND NO EX PARTE. MR. COP KOPF, I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE. I'VE - KOPPENHAFER, I I'VE BEEN THROUGH HERE SEVERAL TIMES. NO COMMENTS, NO EX PART TO A.
MS. PERKINS. >> NO COMMENTS, NO EX PARTE.
>> MR. ALAIMO. >> NO COMMENT, NO EX PARTE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MATOVINA. >> NO COMMENTS, NO EX PARTE.
>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> NO COMMENT, NO EX PARTE.
>> AND DR. HILSENBECK. >> NO COMMENT, NO EX PARTE.
>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS
>> NONE IN THE BUILDING. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS
>> OKAY. WE MIGHT HAVE A FAST DAY HERE.
IF YOU HAVE KNOWING TOLLS ADD, GO AHEAD AND TAKE A SEAT.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY THEN FOR THOUGHTS, COMMENTS OR A MOTION.
>> I WOULD OFFER A MOTION IF THERE'S NO COMMENT.
>> I HEAR NO COMMENTS, ARCHIE, SO PLEASE DO.
>> IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME, LOT SIZE, THE ARRANGEMENT, SETBACKS.
I'D OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE, MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RES 2020-09, ROSENDAHL REZONING, A REQUEST TO REZONING APPROXIMATELY 2.19 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL OR TO
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RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RS-1 BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED FOR IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> SECOND. >> MR. ALAIMO IS ON THE SECOND BUTTON HERE. ALL RIGHT.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL GO THEREON THE ROLL CALL THEN. MR. WAINRIGHT.
>> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES FOR APPROVAL. MS. PERKINS.
>> YES. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK.
>> YES. >> ANOTHER UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
CONGRATULATIONS. MOVING ALONG, WE HAVE ITEM
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NUMBER 5. WE HAVE A FAMILIAR FACE, MS. TAYLOR. TRY OUR NEW FORMAT OUT, PLEASE.>> WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT AT THE COMMISSION FOR A WILL IT
>> THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO A LONG TIME AGO THAT YOU ALL -- BEFORE YOU WERE HERE. ANYWAY, GOOD AFTERNOON.
KAREN TAYLOR. >> YOU'RE NOT THAT OLD.
IT CAN'T BE THAT LONG AGO. >> IT WAS.
77 SARAGOSSA STREET, AND I DO HAVE WITH ME TODAY MR. FULKERSON, THUS THE NAME, FULKERSON TOWING.
YOU HAVE PROBABLY KNOWN THIS, HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE COVER FOREVER AND IS HIS REAL ESTATE REPRESENTATIVE IS AS WELL.
AND JUST TO BE KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, I MEAN, I KNOW OVER THE YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT, BUT MR. FULKERSON HAS HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN HIS PROPERTY, AND FINALLY JUST DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO GO AHEAD AND JUST GET IT REZONED HIMSELF RATHER THAN WAIT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THAT.
SO WE ARE HERE TODAY. THE SIZE IS 8.08 ACRES.
IT'S A TRIANGULAR IN SIZE. IT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF STATE ROAD 207. IT IS SOUTH OF WAWA DRIVE AND NORTH OF BRINK HAUF ROAD, BRINK HCHTOFF ROAD, OBVIOUSLY WAWA DRIVE, AND NORTH OF THE OF THE INTERSTATE.
IT IS THE FUT LAND USE MAP. IT'S A MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
IT'S PRY MARIBEL RESIDENTIAL BEYOND IT.
AND THIS IS THE ZONING MAP FOR THE AREA, AND YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE'S QUITE A MIX, A LOT OF THE INTERCHANGE, WHICH I GUESS SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE CHANGING. AND JUST AS A REFERENCE TONIGHT, TO THE SOUTH OF THIS IS IS THE TREATY GROUNDS PUD WHICH YOU HAVE ALL, OF COURSE, ARE AWARE OF, AND WE DID THE MODIFICATION, TOO, NOT THAT LONG AGO. AND THIS WAS A -- THIS IS A REQUEST BY STAFF THAT THEY KIND OF WANT US TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE DIFFERENT THINGS ARE. THE CI ZONING AREAS ARE VARIOUS BUSINESSES. ALONG THERE P THE OR ACROSS THE STREET MARGEIO O'LAUGHLIN HAS A SOURCE FACILITY FACILITY THERE.
THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST WAS REZONED RECENTLY BY YOU A TO CI BUT IT IS VACANT, AS IS THE OTHER PROPERTY.
AGAIN, HERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL -- HERE'S THE PUD FOR TREATY GROUNDS. THIS PORTION OF THE PUD IN THIS AREA IS COMMERCIAL ZONING, SO IT IS COMPATIBLE.
THIS PORTION IS FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF YOU'LL NOTE, THOSE LITTLE BLOCKS THAT ARE SITTING THERE AND ALSO VALERIE INCLUDED A COPY OF THE PLAT FOR THAT SUBDIVISION THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE BIG LOT THERE.
THEN THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC AND ONE LOT.
SO ACTUALLY ONLY TWO OF THOSE LOTS WILL ACTUALLY BE AGAINST THIS PROPERTY OF COURSE IT WILL WHEN DEVELOPED HAVE TO MEET ALL THE BUFFERING AND STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE USE WEEKS WITH CI. AGAIN, IT'S JUST NORTH OF THAT BRINKHOFF ROAD INTERSECTION. YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BETTER AND ACTUALLY SEE PROBABLY THE HOWKS HOUSES HOUSES I WAS POINTING OUT BEFORE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE MOBILE HOME DESIGNATION. THAT WAS KIND OF COOL.
ANYWAY, IT'S A MIXTURE. YOU WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER THE GREAT EXPECT STIEGHTSZ THAT WE DID AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR THAT TO BE FOR FOR SELF-STORAGE.
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THIS IS, AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO POINT OUT THIS IS 207 AND THERE IS ACTUALLY, AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT AS WELL AS YOU PROBABLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO, BUT THERE IS A MEDIAN OPENING IN THAT LOCATION AS WELL AS AS WELL SO PROBABLY, EVEN THOUGH MR. FULKERSON HAS BEEN USING THIS ACCESS FOR YEARS, PROBABLY THE ACCESS WILL MOVE UP TO THAT POINT WPSU WPSU AND AS YOU CAN T YOU CAN SEE THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY FROM STATE ROAD 207 AND IT HAS THAT UNUSUAL TRIANGULAR SHAPE.AND WITH THAT, I GUESS ACTUALLY THIS IS A BETTER ONE TO SHOW THAT FROM WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT OPENING THAT GOES ACROSS TO THE OTHER PROPERTY. THAT, OF COURSE, HAS TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH DOT. AND JUST INCLUDING SOME PICTURES, THIS IS THE SITE LOOKING FROM 207 LOOKING SOUTHEAST. KIND OF RIGHT ONTO HIS DRIVEWAY AND WHERE HE GOES TO HIS HOUSE AND BARN AND THOSE ACTIVITIES.
A LITTLE BIT LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD TOWARDS THE BRINKHOFF ROAD.
AND THIS IS MORE FROM THE BRINKHOFF ROADSIDE LOOKING BACK UP AT THE PROPERTY OR TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS THE NORTH PART OF 2070 AT THAT LOCATION.
TO THE NORTHWEST, WHICH IS ANOTHER BUSINESS.
THAT'S THE HORSE STABLES, MARGIE'S HORSE STABLES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT AS WELL. THAT IS THE INTERSECTION FOR BRINKHOFF ROAD. THAT WAS THE GREAT EXPECTATIONS ONE THAT I MENTIONED WAS ALSO ZONED -- REZONED TO CF.
SO WE DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA.
IT'S VERY LOGICAL EXTENSION. IT'S A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
ADJACENT LAND USES WOULD BE COMPATIBLE.
CERTAINLY THERE'S COMPATIBLE USES TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S MINIMAL FRONTAGE ON THE SOUTHEAST AND AGAIN THAT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE BUFFERING STANDARDS, AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER INTENSITY ALONG THAT SO WITH THAT WE FEEL IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POILSDZ AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CONSISTENT, WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> I'M GOING START ONE FIRST. DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENDED USE FOR
HE'D LIKE TO SELL IT FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND DEVELOP IT
COMMERCIALLY. >> CI IS JUST ABOUT THE MOST INTENSE USE WE HAVE REMEMBER RIGHT, WITHIN THE COUNTY?
>> IT IS AND WE KIND OF LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENCE BUT AGAIN THE SITE NEXT TO IT WAS JUST REZONED TO CI AS WELL SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A COMPATIBLE, THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY DID WANT TO BUY BOTH PIECES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE TO BE THE SAME ZONING.
>> AND YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE BUFFER, AS YOU MENTIONED,
BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL. >> YES.
>> HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL IS A 5 AND A DISPRECIAL IS A 1 AND
A 1 TO 5 AND A 20-B. >> WE WILL GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
MR. WAINRIGHT, QUESTIONS. >> YES.
ONE. ONE OF THE CATEGORIES ARE THAT ARE INCLUDED NOW THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED BEFORE, GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE, WHAT IS THAT? GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE IS ALLOWED UNDER CI, BUT NOT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED.
DO I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY? >> YES.
UNDER OR, THAT'S USUALLY NEIGHBORHOOD, GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE MOVES UP. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY ALL OF THE THINGS WITHIN IT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK YOUR STAFF TO QUALIFY IT. BUT IT'S A HIGHER LEVEL OF
PUBLIC SERVICE USES. >> SO IT DOESN'T, FOR EXAMPLE, INCLUDE MINING OR EXCAVATION SITE OR --
>> NO. THAT'S ACTUALLY WITHIN A
>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. >> YOU MAY.
>> MIKE ROBERTSON. MR. WAINRIGHT, GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE USES, THE PREAMBLE SAYS HERE SAYS THE CATEGORICALLING OVENS THOSE USES WHICH OPERATE IN A 24-HOUR TIME FRAME WIVE A HIGH DEGREE OF OUTDOOR STORAGE, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. MAY CAUSE EMISSIONS DUE TO HIGH LEVELS TRUCK OR LARGE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
ADDITION NOT ALL USES ARE ALLOWABLE BY RIGHT IN EVERY ZONING DISTRICT. SO BASICALLY THE GIST OF WHAT
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COULD BE ALLOWED IN THERE. AND THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES NOT LIMITED TO AIRPORTS, TERMINALS, HELIPORTS, ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE, SEAPLANE SUPPORT.ALL OF THESE PROBABLY ARE, OF COURSE, NOT APPLICABLE.
AMBULANCE SERVICES, RAIL YARDS, TERMINALS, FIRE STATIONS, POLICE
THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, COULD YOU ADD AN EX PARTE WITH THE COMMENTS, PLEASE.
>> I'M SORRY. >> WOULD YOU ADD IN YOUR EX PARTE DISCLOSURE WITH COMMENTS.
>> UP NEXT, ME. NO MORE QUESTIONS.
NO EX PARTE TO DECLARE. MS. PERKINS.
>> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.
MR. ALAIMO. >> NO EX PARTE AND NO QUESTIONS.
>> MR. MATOVINA. >> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS.
>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> NO EX EX PARTE AND NO QUES.
>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS.
>> EXCELLENT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER'S
>> ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS IN THE AUDIENCE? SLIM AUDIENCE TODAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS
>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE THROUGH WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AND BACK THE IN AGENCY, THEN, FOR THOUGHTS, COMMENTS OR
A MOTION. >> I WOULD OFFER A MOTION.
>> OKAY. DR. MCCORMICK, WHAT'S THAT
MOTION? >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2020-11 FULKERSON REZONING, REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 8.04 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL BE INTENSIVE BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN
>> THANK YOU. MR. WAINRIGHT IS THE SECOND ON IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE SPEAK UP. OTHERWISE, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ARCHIE WAINRIGHT, HOW SAY YOU? >> YES.
>> MR. KOPPENHAFER SAYS YES. MS. PERKINS.
>> YES. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK.
>> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS 7-0.
YOU'RE WELCOME. GOT YOUR CI THERE.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.
[Item 6]
DON'T WE, JOE? >> AT LEAST THE FUNNEST ITEMS ANYWAY. FOR THE RECORD JOE CEARLEY SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 60S .04-07 OF THE LAND STARCHTDZ LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WHAT THIS DOES IS PROVIDE ANOTHER ADOPTION FOR LOCAL LOCAL ROADS UNDER 2,000 ANNUAL -- AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRIPS.
THIS ITEM WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS JULY 21ST WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, OF COURSE, DWAYNE KENT OUR COUNTY ENGINEER IS HERE TO ELABORATE AND ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THIS, AND HE HAS A POWERPOINT I'LL LET HIM GO THROUGH AT THIS POINT AND ALSO STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> TO THE CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
AGAIN MY NAME IS DWAYNE KENT. I'M JURY COUNTY ENGINEER.
WANT TOED TO TALK ABOUT A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MODIFICATION.
WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN A DESCRIPTION BASICALLY RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE NEXT STEP FOR YOUR APPROVAL. QUICK OVERVIEW, WE ARE PROPOSING A CHANGE TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SOWED CONNECTION 6.04 .07 REGARDING DINE OF LOCAL ROADWAYS.
SPECIFICALLY THE SEPARATION BETWEEN ROADWAY ELEMENTS AND GROUND WATER, AND WHEN I SAY "GROUND WATER," L." SPECIFICALLY SCENES NATURAL HIGH GROUND WATER.
THE CURRENT STANDARDS ARE PROTECTIVE OF THE COUNTY'S ROADWAYS INFRASTRUCTURE BUT COULD BE VIEWED AS A KIND OF A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. THESE CHANGES PROPOSED MAY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FILL NECESSARY FOR NEW SUBDIVISIONS, OFFICIALLY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF THREES REMOVED AND POTENTIALLY REMOVE -- OR REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TRUCK TRIPS ON COUNTY ROADS BASICALLY FOR HAULING FILL IN THE NEW SUBDIVISION. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ROADWAY STRUCTURE HERE. THIS WAS -- I'LL CLICK THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK. WE'VE GOT IT ALL HERE.
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SOMEBODY GOT REAL FANCY WITH THE POWERPOINT FOR ME HELPING.SO BASICALLY, AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, MOST OF THE TIME YOU NOTICE THE ASPHALT BUT THE ROADWAY SECTION ITSELF IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL ELEMENTS. BENEATH THE ASPHALT THE LIME ROCK BASE OR TYPICALLY LIME ROCK BASE.
BELOW THAT A STABILIZED SOIL WHERE STABILIZED SUB GRADE WHICH IS TYPICALLY COMPACTED SOIL, EXISTING SOIL.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT MATRIX YOU'VE GOT GROUND WATER.
AT SOME LEVEL, AND EACH OF THESE ITEMS IMPACT THE STRENGTH OR LONGEVITY OF THE ROADWAY. SO PARTICULARLY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY STANDARD AS IT SITS TODAY, THE SEASONAL HIGH GROUND WATER, THERE'S A CLEARANCE REQUIRED BETWEEN THE STABILIZED SUB GRADE AND THE SEASONAL HIGH GROUND WATER.
TYPICALLY OUR STANDARD SAID 12 INCHES.
OTHER COUNTIES IN ITS AREA, CLAY COUNTY USED 6 INS, CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, THAT CLEARANCE IS BASICALLY ZERO.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT KIND OF THE VARIABILITY THERE.
AS YOU LOOK TOWARD VIDEO T, THE DOT USES A STANDARD OF 36 INCHES BELOW THE ROADWAY BASE, WHICH IS REALLY BASICALLY 24 INCHES BELOW THE STABILIZED SUB GRADE SO YOU'VE GOT THAT VARIATION 24 INCHES FOR THE DOT UP TO DUVAL COUNTY, JACKSONVILLE, BASICALLY BRINGS THAT SEPARATION OR THAT REQUIREMENT UP TO ZERO.
AND THE DOT DOES ALLOW, WITH A PAVEMENT DESIGN, WITH A SPECIFIC PAVEMENT DESIGN, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RAISE THAT SEPARATION RIGHTS P TO THE STABILIZED SUB GRADE, BASICALLY WITHIN 12 INCHES OF THAT BASE MATERIAL. SO THE DOT METHODOLOGY ONCOLOGY BASICALLY IS, IT'S OBJECTIVE. IT'S SPECIFICALLY BASED.
IT'S BEEN SUPPORTED BY YEARS OF RESEARCH WITH UF AND THE DOT.
SO WHY WE LOOK TO THE DOT FAIVMENT DESIGN, BASICALLY THE DOT IS THE EXPERTS. THEY'VE GOT 12,000 MILES OF ROAD TBHAIT STATE OF FLORIDA. THEY'RE CONSTANTLY TESTING AND UPDATING THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO REDUCE MAINTENANCE COSTS.
THIS CHANGE WOULD PROVIDE FOR SMALL UP-FRONT DESIGNER COST FOR PAVEMENT DESIGN AND FOR MATERIALS TESTING.
IT ALLOWS A DESIGNER FLEXIBILITY TO DIVERGE FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY STANDARDS IN UNIQUE PROJECT CONDITIONS BASED ON THE SOILS.
PROMOTES DESIGN INNOVATION WITHIN PROVEN BOUND RIST.
AND AGAIN THERE'S THAT POTENTIAL TO SAVE TREES, REDUCE TRUCK TRAFFIC ON OUR COUNTY ROADS, AND THEN REDUCE THOSE FILL REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBDIVISIONS. I'LL JUST READ REAL QUICK THE PROPOSED CHANGE THAT WE'VE GOT. CURRENTLY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS THE BOTTOM OF THE STABILIZED SUB GRADE SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF ONE FOOT ABOVE THE SEASONAL HIGH GROUND WATER AS IDENTIFIED BY AN ENGINEER OR OTHER REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL.
OUR PROPOSAL SIMPLY ADDS ANOTHER LINE TO THAT THAT SAYS "ALTERNATIVELY, LOCAL ROADS WILL WITH LESS THAN 2,000 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS COULD BE DESIGNED BUY A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 522 OF THE FDOT 2020 FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT DESIGN MANUAL." AND I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS IF
YOU'VE GOT. >> I HAVE A COUPLE.
DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO ONE OF THOSE IMAGES? IT'S FUN TO SEE GRAPHICS. THE SECTION 5.2.2 OF THE FDOT, IS THAT A CREDENTIAL QUALIFICATION OR IS THAT A HOW ?
>> IT'S A DESIGN METHODOLOGY WITHIN THAT FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT DESIGN MANUAL. SO IT GOES THROUGH THE DIFFERENT STEPS YOU NEED TO DO TO DESIGN PAVEMENTS.
>> SO YOU HAD MENTIONED WITH THE GRAPHICS THERE, YOU GET 24 INCHES FOR THE FDOT FOLKS OF UNSTABLIZED JUST EARTH ABOVE THE BAWRT LEVEL. YOU CALL THAT THE EXISTING SOIL LAYER. AND THE COUNTY BRINGS THAT DOWN TO 12 INCHES. WHAT IS WHAT DOES THIS ALTERT YOU TO? WITH US.
THE. >> THE ALTERNATIVE WILL GET YOU WITHIN ONE FOOT OF THE BASE MATERIAL OR RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM
OF THE STABILIZED SUB GRADE. >> JUST LIKE JACKSONVILLE, THEN,
ZERO. >> JUST LIKE JACKSONVILLE BUT AGAIN WITH THE DOT METHODOLOGY USED TO DESIGN THE PAVEMENT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT EACH OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PAVED PROVIDES A STRUCTURAL ELEMENT SO THE STABILIZED SUB GRADE PROVIDES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF STRENGTH, THE BASE MATERIAL PROVIDES A CERTAIN A STRENGTH AND THEN THE ASPHALT PROVIDES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
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STRENGTH. THIS ALLOWS THE GROUND WATER TO COME UP TO BASICALLY THE STABILIZED SUB GRADE IF THE MATERIAL IN THAT STABILIZED SUB GRADE IS OF A CERTAIN TYPE OF MATERIAL AND STRENGTH. AND I SAY "STRENGTH." IT'S MODULAR RESISTIVITY. THAT'S THAT MEASURE OF THAT STRENGTH. I'M USING THE WORD "STRENGTH"LOOSELY, BUT IT'S -- >> SO YOU EXACT THAT TO 95 OR
>> DIFFERENT MATERIALS HANDLE GROUND WATER DIFFERENTLY.
SOME TERLTS, MATERIALS, THEY LE THEIR STRENGTH AS THE GROUND WATER MOVES UP AND DOWN THROUGH THEM.
CERTAIN MATERIALS DON'T AND THOSE WITH MEYER MODULAR RETISTIVETY DID NOT LOSE THAT STRENGTH.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE IN ALL CASES. ONLY WITH SPECIFIC SOILS AND THE
TESTING OF THOSE SOILS. >> OKAY.
IT'S AN ENGINEERING THING. I'M AN ARCHITECT AND WE KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THE CLOSER WATER GETS TO PAVEMENT, THE WORSE THAT
PAVEMENT IS GOING TO PERFORM. >> AND THERE IS A MINIMUM.
THAT THE DOT METHODOLOGY SETS FORTH.
>> BECAUSE IRRIGATION SEEMS TO EVEN AFFECT THAT.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME.
LET'S GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SEE WHO'S GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
DO YOU NOT HAVE TO DECLARE EX PARTE ON THIS ONE.
A GOOD PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> AND I HAVE FOUR OR FIVE QUESTIONS, AND I'LL JUST COME TO THE BOTTOM LINE. I'M CONCERNED THAT I DON'T SEE THE TERM "REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER" HERE.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, NO ONE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS QUALIFIED.
THERE COULD BE EXCEPTIONS OTHER THAN A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO DESIGN A ROAD. AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT PROTECTS THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE ROADS.
SO WHO WOULD APPROVE THIS DESIGN?
>> THIS WOULD GO THROUGH LAND DEVELOPMENT.
>> IS THERE A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THAT
>> THAT SIGNS OFF ON THIS DESIGN?
>> NO, THEY WOULD REVIEW IT FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE COUNTY'S
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING.
THEN REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IS NOT REQUIRED TO
SUPERVISOR OR OVERSEE THIS. >> MR. CHAIR.
>> MIKE ROBERTSON. MR. WAINRIGHT, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS HAS ENGINEERS, EITS AND THE CHIEF ENGINEER WHO IS A PE FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT, AND THEY TYPICALLY WILL REVIEW ANY DEVELOPMENT OR ANY ROADS THAT ARE COMING IN ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT. IF THERE'S EVER ANY QUESTION, THERE IS THE COUNTY ENGINEER, THE TOP DOG THAT WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION, JUST AS IN THIS CASE, AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON WHETHER OR NOT IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY FOR THIS I THINK IT'S A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OF COURSE, PROBABLY DELEGATED TO MR. KENT, BUT WE DO HAVE A PE ON STAFF, AND THAT'S MR. -- WHO IS HERE TO
BE THERE AS THAT PROFESSIONAL. >> THANK YOU.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN JUMP IN TOO.
MR. WAINRIGHT, I THINK PART OF YOUR QUESTION IMREPLY CAISES KATES TWO QUESTIONS REALLY. -- IMPLICATES TWO QUESTIONS.
IS IT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE THERE BE A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ON THE ANT CAN'T'S SIDE AND IS THERE A PROFESSIONAL ON THE COUNTY'S SIDE. MR. ROBERTSON ANSWERED ANSE SECOND QUESTION, YES. WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS IN ON A DEVELOPMENT TEAM LIKE DESOUSA WHO YOU KNOW WELL AND THEN THIS LANGUAGE THAT MR. KENT PRESENTED IT IS RICHARD THIS ALTERNATIVE PLAN TO BE DESIGNED BY A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL WHICH IS A DETERM IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT INCLUDES SOMEBODY WHO MEETS THE ESH PROFESSIONAL IN THE REGULATED BY FRA DPR ARE INSPECT VERY-TO-HIS OR HER LICENSURE WITH THE REGULATORY BODY. SO THAT MEANS IT COULD HAVE WE HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED ENGINEER OR LANDSCAPE OR GEOLOGIST AS LONG AS THEIR EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE FITS WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND WITH THE ROAD BUILDING.
SO I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL. >> IT IS, AND THANK YOU.
AND THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM. ARE YOU A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER?
THOSE OTHERS YOU NAMED THERE ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DESIGN ROADS IN
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THE STATE OF FLORIDA PER THAT CHUTES IN THE THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND I DON'T WANT TO DEBELABOR THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I CAN SUPPORT BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE I KNOW OF THAT ARE TRAINED ON TO DESIGNROADS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, TO MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE HIGH, ARE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS.NOW IT'S MY TURN. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
I'VE ASKED MINE. MS. PERKINS, QUESTIONS?
>> NO QUESTIONS. >> MR. ALAIMO.
>> NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.
MR. MATOVINA. >> NO QUESTIONS.
>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> YEAH, I HAVE -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE A COMMENT, AND SOMEWHAT OF A RESPONSE TO MR. WAINRIGHT, ALSO. AND EVEN THOUGH, AS YOU'VE ALREADY INDICATED, WE DON'T HAVE TO DECLARE EX PARTE, I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT AFTER HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS, I DID CONTACT JOSEPH CEARLEY ABOUT THIS PARTICULARLY AMENDMENT, AND I NOTICED IN THE NOOYI DIGS THAT I GOT TODAY, THERE IS A SECTION THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED. IT SAYS "ALTERNATIVELY, THE LOCAL ROADWAYS WITH LESS THAN 2,000 AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRIPS COULD BE DESIGNATED BY A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH 5.2.2 OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION JANUARY 2020, PUBLISHED BY FDOT FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT DESIGN MANUAL." SO I GUESS I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AMENDMENT. PERHAPS IT COULD BE AMENDED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND SAY "PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER" RATHER THAN "REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL." AND THAT MIGHT THEN BE SUITABLE TO EVERYONE. BUT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THIS IS MORE OR LESS KIND OF A TEST RUN, I GUESS I WOULD SAY.
IT'S NOTE LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE TIE GREAT EXTENT.
I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THIS IN TERMS OF LOCAL ROADWAYS AND LESES THAN 2,000 AVERAGE DAILEY TRIPTS. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT AND THE INDICATION THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS, PARTICULARLY IF THAT AMENDMENT WERE MADE TO IT.
>> THANK YOU, BILL. DR. HILSENBECK, QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT MY COMMENTS AND CONCERNS WED PARTIALLY BY ARCHIE AND BY DR. E THAT I THINK A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED AND THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR AND PUT INTO THIS ITEM.
>> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, BEFORE JUST TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THESE COMMENTS, IF IN CASE THAT IS A COMMENT THAT THE REMAINDER OF THE BOARD MAY HAVE, THE LANGUAGE "REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL" IS INCLUDED, AS I INDICATED TO MR. WAINRIGHT, IN THE DEFINITIONS, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE'VE INCLUDED OTHER REGISTERED PROFESSIONALS IN THAT DEFINITION TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY WOULD BE QUALIFIED UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE AND THEIR LICENSE TO DO THE WORK.
THE IF THEY AREN'T BECAUSE OF THEIR EXPERIENCE OR THEIR EXPERTISE, THEY WOULDN'T BE QUALIFIED HERE.
AND THE REGION, THOUGH, THAT THEY'RE ALL INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION IS BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS ISSUED OPINIONS THAT SUGGEST THAT THE COUNTY CAN'T -- IS PREEMPTED BY FLORIDA STATUTE TO REQUIRE SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE WORK IF ONE PROFESSIONAL WOULD BE ALLOWED BY STATUTE TO DO THAT WORK. ANOTHER WAY TO PUT IT, IF THE STATUTE AND EXPERIENCE WOULD ALLOW A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO DO THE WORK, THE COUNTY CAN'T SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE AN ENGINEER TO DO IT.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE WOULD ALLOW.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE USED THE DEFINITION OR USED THE WORD "REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL." THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU. SO AGAIN I'M AN ARCHITECT SO IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE TABLE THERE, BUT FROM THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, FROM A PERMITTING STANDPOINT, I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE -- NOT A HOUSE DISH WANT TO BUILD A
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BUILDING AND AN ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECT.I WANT TO BUILD A ROADWAY, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU HAVE TO THAT HAVE HAVE TO HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER STAMP ON THAT DRAWING.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? >> TO NINETY, I THINK WE'VE ENCOUNTERED IN THE PAST -- YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S 99% OF THE TIME IT'S GOING TO BE A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH A STAMP ON THERE. I THINK WAY IN THE PAST WE HAVE EXPERIENCED, LET'S SAY, A YOU LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO CAME IN AND WANTED TO DESIGN MAYBE A SMALL STORM WATER POND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND STAFF LOOKED INTO IT.
I THINK IT EVEN WENT ALL TWITE COUNTY ENGINEER AT THE TIME TO DETERMINE THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S THE ULTIMATELY WHY WE'RE INCLUDING THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN LINE WITH THE STATUTE.
WHETHER OR NOT IT'S RIGHT, THAT'S -- BUT REST ASSURED WHEN WE RUN ACROSS THAT, MR. WAINRIGHT, AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, BE IT TYPICALLY GETS BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER BECAUSE IT'S SO RARE, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR CONCERN OF NOT HAVING THE RIGHT DESIGN OR THE RIGHT QUALIFICATIONS AN A BLOW IS RAISED WHEN IT COMES -- AN EYE BROW IS RAISED WHEN IT COMES. AND WE GO THROUGH THE CHANNEL TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A GOOD DESIGN AND IT'S APPROPRIATE.
>> AND THAT'S HOW YOU UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.
>> CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA STATUTE.
>> WHICH I THINK, AGAIN, I'M NOT IN THAT WORLD, BUT I WOULD EXPECT THERE'S A STATUTE THAT BASICALLY -- THE ENGINEERS STICK TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S GOT TO BE DONE
BY AN ENGINEER. >> AND IF I MAY, TO THE ENGINEER, TO THE ARCHITECT, IF YOUR ARCHITECTURAL WORK HAS INCIDENTALLY TOUCHES CIVIL, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT PER FLORIDA STATUTE. ME AS AN ENGINEER, INCIDENTAL WORK I MAY DO ARCHITECTURE. THAT'S QUHORNGD TO FLORIDA STATUTE. I WOULD NEVER PRESUME TO DO
ARCHITECTURE. >> YOU COULD PICK THE COLOR.
>> ACCORDING TO MY WIFE, I CANNOT.
WE WENT THROUGH THE QUESTIONS HERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC IN-HOUSE? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS
>> OKAY. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE AGENCY.
>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD, GIVEN ALL THOSE EXPLANATIONS WE JUST GAVE BECAUSE WE LIKE OR WE GIVE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, IS JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR PLEASE INDICATE WHETHER YOU WANT TOUTS INCLUDE THAT FEEDBACK.
DO YOU WANT THAT LANGUAGE, YOU SAID, MR. WAINRIGHT AND OTHERS OR GIVEN WHAT WE JUST EXPLAINED ARE YOU NOW OKAY MOVING FORWARD
AS-IS. >> SO I SEE THREE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF AND THAT IS STRAIGHT APPROVAL AS IT'S CONSISTENT, DENIAL IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, AND APPROVAL PROBABLY WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SO I WILL -- >> THIS IS DR. MCCORMICK.
I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE -- THE MOTION THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE, IF I MAKE THE MOTION, WOULD BE TO APPROVE, NOT TO APPROVE WITH CHANGES.
>> SO I'M HEARING THERE'S A MOTION TO PROVE FROM DR. MCCORMICK. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES. >> AND THAT WE HAVE A SECOND
>> ALL RIGHT. IS THIS WORTHY OF ANY FURTHER
DISCUSSION? >> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED.
AND A SECOND. >> AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR WHAT
>> I'M ASKING RIGHT NOW IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS TO BE MADE, AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
>> DOES THE ATTORNEY WANT ME TO READ THE MOTION?
>> I THINK YOUR MOTION WAS SATISFACTORY.
>> MR. WAINRIGHT. >> I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE
MOTION. >> YOU CAN'T VOTE MAYBE THEN.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LIST.
MR. WAINRIGHT, YAY OR NAY. >> NAY.
>> MR. KOPF SAYS YAY. >> MS. PERKINS.
>> YES. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK.
MOTION CARRIES ALMOST UNANIMOUS 6-1 IN FAVOR TO APPROVE.
ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT IS STAFF REPORTS.
[Reports]
WHAT DO YOU GOT? >> NOTHING TO ADD, SIR.
>> ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE AGENCY
ANYONE BESIDE ME? I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO BE HERE NEXT MEETING. IF IT IS ON THE 16TH, I AM NOT
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GOING TO BE HERE. MR. WAINRIGHT.WHAT'S THAT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WILL NOT BE THERE NEXT WEEK OR NEXT HEARING.
ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO MORE AGENCY REPORTS, I'M GOING TO SAY EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY.
HAPPY FOURTH. AND I'LL SEE YOU GUYS BACK HERE IN A MONTH. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN,
>> MOVE TO ADJOURN. >> ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.