Jun 16, 2020 Board of County Commissioners

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>> WE CAUGHT THIS JUNE 16, 2020 REGULAR MEETING OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ORDER.

WE ARE GOING TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND REDUCE THE TRANSMISSION OF COVID-19 VIRUS THE GOVERNOR HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS USING REMOTE RTICIPATION FOR ERGENCY Y PROCLAMATION 2020-3. SO THE PUBLIC HAS MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS INCLUDING EMAIL, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY PHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING OR BY STRAINING POSTED ON THE COUNTIES WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE PROVIDES A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO NOT PROVIDE PUBLIC. PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING FOR JENNA PROVIDE COMMENTS AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDE COMMENTS. THIS MEETING S BEING RECORDED.

IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL CALL BACK. CONTINUE TO WATCH IGTV BECAUSE A TIMER WILL BE VISIBLE TO YOU. PLEASE DELETE YOUR PHONE WHILE YOU ARE WAITING TO COMMENT.

FEEL WHERE THERE MAY BE A 5 TO 9 SECOND DELAY. IF WE EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WE WILL TRY TO RESOLVE THIS IN A RECESS TO DO THAT.

MEETING MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES.

CLICK ON THAT ITEM AND THE BACKUP MATERIALS IN SUPPORT OF MATERIALS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU. WE DO HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT WILL BE CALLING IN REMOTELY ALL OF OUR VOTES WILL BE DONE VIA ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, ARE YOU

ON THE PHONE? >> I AM. >> GOOD MORNING.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I WILL NOW HAVE THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

EVERYONE WILL STAND PASTRNAK MCQUARRIE WILL OFFER OUR INVOCATION.

>> THE PLANS OF THE HEART BELONG TO MAN.UT THE ANSWER OF THE TONGUE IS FROM THE LORD.

THE LORD WEIGHS THE SPIRIT. THUS COMMIT YOUR WORK TO THE LORD AND NEAR PLANS WILL BE ESTABLISHED. I WOULD LIKE TO PRAY FOR THE COMMISSION MEETING THIS MORNING BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PRAY FOR MRS. WALDRON AS WELL. WE PRAY FOR THIS MEETING AND FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER IN COMMUNITY FATHER I PRAY FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS COMMISSION AND I THINK YOU THAT WE CAN LOOK TO YOU FOR ANSWERS.

AS WE DO THAT THE PLANS ARE ESTABLISHED SO WE THANK YOU FOR WISDOM AND WE PRAY FOR MRS. WALDRON AND I PRAY IN JESUS NAME, FOR HEALING, FOR STRENGTH, FOR PEACE AND ULTIMATELY FOR YOUR WILL TO BE DONE. IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN. >> COMMISIONER SMITH: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> COMMISIONER SMITH: YOU MAY BE SEATED

[Retirement Recognition of Linda Stoughton]

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>> SHE WAS NAMED EMERGENCY MANAGER OF THE YEAR IN 2007 AND 2017 BY THE FOUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS ASSOCIATION. SHE WAS ALSO RECOGNIZED AS EMERGENCY MANAGER OF THE YEAR IN 2017 AT THE GOVERNOR'S HURRICANE CONFERENCE.

LINDA IS A GRADUATE OF FLAGLER COLLEGE.

SHE'S BEEN MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS AND ENJOYS SCUBA DIVING, ADVENTURE TRAVEL, SPENDING TIME WITH THEIR DOG COOPER. TO THIS DUTY I HAVE BEEN TASKED TO ACCOMPLISH A NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

TO SUMMARIZE THE LONG CAREER OF A PERSON TO US VERY DEAR.

LINDA STOUGHTON IS TO RETIRE A PERSON TO US ÃA PERSON THAT MANY TRULY ADMIRE. SINCE 1985, THAT'S 35 YEARS, AND DESERVING OF LOTS OF CHEERS, DISCOUNTED SHE HAS SERVED A FEW MINUTES OF APPRECIATION IS DESERVED.

LINDA SPELL OUT HER CHARACTER AND HER NAME.

LET ME TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT I MEAN WITH THE RHYME. L IS FOR LATER.

AT TIMES OF DISASTER IS SECURITY DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SHE HAS SPENT TO GUIDE AND LEAD OUR COUNTY THROUGH MANY CHALLENGES, THIS IS TRUE.

HURRICANES, PANDEMICS, AND WILD FIRE.

BURNT EMBERS, DEBRIS AND QUAGMIRE.

MATTHEW, IRMA, AND DORIAN, MANY WOULD BE HAPPY NOT TO HEAR IT AGAIN. SUCH A LEADER INCLUDE PLACE THERE IS NO DISASTER THAT WE COULD NOT FACE.

I'S FOR INTEGRITY THAT SHE DOES BEAR AND TRUSTWORTHY AND EVERY ASPECT SHE IS THERE. DEPENDABLE AND WORKS ALONG HOURS, IT'S HER CHARACTER AND SHOULD BE OURS.

GOING TO THE JOB IS COMPLETE TACKLING EACH AND EVERY FEET.

LETTER IN AS WERE NOBLE, FOR THIS IS TRUE, HIGH MORALS AND IDEALS, SHE SEES IT THROUGH. THIS IS FOR ALL WE SERVE IS REALLY NEEDED ESPECIALLY FEMA AND THE PAPERWORK EXCEEDED.

D IS FOR DUTY, DEVOTED, DEDICATED, DISASTER, DESTRUCTION, DEVASTATED. ELIRIOUS, DRAINED, AND DISTRESSED, DELIGHTFUL, DELECTABLE, I DIGRESS.

I GUESS THE D STANDS FOR DISASTER FOR WHICH LINDA IS PREPARED, JUST ASK HER. I KNOW THIS, AND IT WOULD BE WITHOUT THIS WORK THERE WOULD BE NO EEOC.

IT IS IN DISASTERS THAT LINDA SHINES WITHIN THE WALLS OF THE EEOC COMBINES BRIDGES WELL RESPECTED OUTSIDE THOSE WALLS AND MANY OTHERS CALL UPON HER Ã MANY OTHERS UPON HER WILL CALL FOR UPON THIS EARTH SHE HAS LEFT HER MARK IN EXPERT AND LEADER IN HER FIELD. A IS FOR AWESOME, ACCOUNTABLE AND ADMIRED. MANY LOOK TO HER AND ASPIRE.

DEMEANOR IS IMPECCABLE AND GREAT, AND TODAY I CAN PROCLAIM THAT WE APPRECIATE. LETTER A IS FOR OFFAL FOR SHE IS TO RETIRE AND FOR HER TO BE MISSED WOULD NOT MAKE ME A LIAR. THANK YOU AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU

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[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS. I GUESS AFTER ALMOST 35 YEARS YOU GET TO DO THAT. SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO KURT WHO HAS WOKEN UP IN THE NIGHT JUST AS MUCH AS I WAS WITH TAX AND PUTTING UP WITH ME BEING GONE AND DEPLOYED.

SO THANK YOU.HANK YOU TO MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

THANK YOU TO MY BROTHER WAS MY HERO, WHO GAVE ME THE GIFT OF LIFE SO I CAN STAND HERE TODAY. I WILL LET HIM KNOW THIS IS ON RECORDING. WITHOUT HIM I STILL COULDN'T BE HERE. I WANT TO THANK THE PAST EMERGENCY MANAGERS THAT TAUGHT ME THE WAY AND THEY TAUGHT ME WHAT TO DO. THEY TAUGHT ME HOW IMPORTANT THIS TOWN IS AND REACTIONS IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY AND SHOT OUT TO FRED AND GARY AND RAY WERE ALL THEY TAUGHT ME TO MAKE ME WHAT I AM TODAY. TO MY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF WHO I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU GUYS, ALTHOUGH SUPPORT SHOULD HAVE ALL OF OUR NAMES ON IT FROM EEOC, NOT JUST MIND. IT'S A TEAM EFFORT AND A TEAM SPORT. AND WITHOUT RAY AND JODI AND KELLY AND TIM AND JEFF AND GAVIN, WE COULDN'T HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WE DID IN THE EEOC.

I WILL FOREVERMORE HAVE YOU IN MY HEART.

THE EEOC TEAM, WE ASSEMBLE THE BEST.

WE ARE THE BEST DURING MATTHEW, BEST DURING IRMA AND DORIAN BECAUSE WE ARE ALL HERE FOR THE SAME MISSION AND THAT'S TO TAKE CARE OF HOME. AND I WILL ALWAYS BE GRATEFUL FOR YOU GUYS SUPPORTING ME PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY.

EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS A STORY.

OUR STORY STARTED IN 1955 WITH FRED.

I AM MOST HONORED AND GRATEFUL AND VERY PROUD THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE COMMISSIONERS, ALL THE ADMINISTRATORS LET ME BE PART OF THIS STORY. BECAUSE WHEN WE THINK BACK TO MATTHEW, DORIAN, AND KATRINA, THOSE ARE STORIES THAT WILL BE TOLD. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU GUYS, AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO COLORADO.

THERE IS A GREAT TEAM LEFT IN PLACE TO CARRY ON.

JUST DO ONE THING FOR ME. WE ALWAYS SAY IN THE EEOC, TAKE CARE OF HOME. THANK YOU.

I LOVE YOU GUYS, AND I WILL MISS YOU TRULY AND WITH ALL OF MY HEART. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU AND IF I COULD TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU AND EVENTUALLY I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE REST OF THE STAFF AS WELL AS ANYBODY ELSE. MR. ASHLEY, IF YOU WILL COME UP

AND JOIN IN ON THE PICTURE. >> WE WILL MOVE INTO PUBLIC

[Public Comment]

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COMMISSIONER WALTER? >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. IF YOU WILL MAKE A COMMENT, LIKE THE CHAIRMAN SAID, ON THE COVID-19, YOU CAN MAKE THIS AT THIS TIME. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM OR PHONE IN AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, NOT TO AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.A PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH ANY PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THE MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS. IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE COME UP TO ONE OF THE

TWO PODIUMS. >> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S.

COLLINS AVENUE. JUST HAVE A FEW MORE PICTURES FOR YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, AT ONE TIME, YOU TOLD ME THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WHICH MAKES SURE THE VIOLATIONS WERE TAKEN CARE OF.

I HAVE A COUPLE RIGHT HERE FOR YOU.

THIS IS ÃTHESE ARE THE NEW LIGHTS AND THESE ARE THE OLD LIGHTS. THESE LIGHTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SHIELDED OR THEY DON'T SHINE RIGHT INTO OUR WINDOWS.

THIS IS ÃTHIS IS THE DRIVEWAY COMING OUT.

THIS IS THE TRUCK TAKING UP THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY COMING OUT.

AND BY THE WAY IT WAS A SHORT TRUCK.

THIS IS A DUMPSTER. IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

IN 2009, WESTGATE PLAZA CAME TO YOU, THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND ASKED FOR A NEW TRASH HAD TO BE PUT IN THE BACK.

THEY ONLY HAD IN THEIR PUD ONE. THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T FIGHT THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD TRASH CANS ALL DOWN IN LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WASN'T LANDSCAPED.

NOW THEY ARE HANGING OUT AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS A MISSING 20 FOOT BUFFER.

WHERE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEN A 20 FOOT BUFFER IS GONE? OKAY? COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE WATER. THIS IS THE WATER IN THE PARKING LOT. YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE IT COMES OUT OF HIS PARKING LOT, GOES ACROSS THE CROSSWALK.

IT PILES UP IN THE ROAD. THAT'S HOW DEEP IT IS.

AND THEN PROCEEDS TO COME DOWN INTO THE SPIRIT THIS IS THE DEBTS. THIS IS A FOUR FOOT DITCH GOING

INTO AN 18 INCH KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU, MS. BADGER. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

>> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. TOM REYNOLDS.

ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA. GIVE ME A LITTLE ZOOM THERE, PLEASE. I WANT TO REMIND YOU ÃEVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THE CODE OF ETHICS OF COUNTY OFFICIALS, PROBABLY ADMINISTER THE AFFAIR

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AND I W BEFORE WE HAVE HAD SOME E THAT GET NSITIVE WHEN THEY ARE ASKED QUESTIONS. WE KNOW WE HAVE ONE CONSTITUTIONALLY ELECTED OFFICER AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED QUESTIONS, HE RAN UP TO JACKSONVILLE ON TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND HIRED A LAW FIRM. IN ONE OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER DIRECTED QUESTIONS TO THE LAW FIRM.

SO DON'T BE AFRAID. ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS, AND THERE IS ANOTHER THING I AM HOPING THAT YOU ALREADY PLAN ON ASKING ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE THE STATE THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA, AND WE AREN'T THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE AREA NOT USING BODY CANS AND DASHBOARD CAMS. TODAY, THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE ÃI THINK YOU SHOULD ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE REMEMBER, THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE MONEY. WATCH THE FUNDS.ND TODAY, I THINK TO MYSELF, IF I WAS SITTING IN A JURY BOX AND LIKELY TO BELIEVE THE POLICE THAT DON'T HAVE CAMERAS IN 2020? HONESTLY, I COULDN'T.

BUT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW ÃI'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.

I DON'T OWN GUNS. I'M NOT A TOUGH GUY.

I DIALED 9-1-1 WHEN THINGS HAPPEN.

I'M SUPER GRATEFUL FOR THEM. THAT'S WHY, AND MY MIND, I WANT DASHBOARD CAMS AND BODY CAMS TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM ACTUALLY SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM. BECAUSE THE VIDEO CAMS, THE DASHBOARD CAMS TELL THE TRUTH. AND WE HAVE TO SAY OUR CURRENT SHERIFF IS AGAINST THEM, BUT HE'S GOING TO BE GONE SOON.

I HOPE IN THIS BUDGET, THE MONEY FOR THESE THINGS ARE THERE NEXT YEAR OR YOU FIND THE MONEY FOR THOSE IMPORTANT THINGS. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

>> AS MR. REYNOLDS, I THINK INDICATED, THAT DOCUMENT WAS FROM YOUR BOARD RULES AND POLICIES WHICH THE COUNTY HAS A

COPY OF ALREADY. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEND AN WE WILL GIVE IT A SECOND AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE. I SEE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.

[Consent Agenda]

>> WITH PUBLIC, CLOSED WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: NONE >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: WE HAVE A NUMBER THIS MORNING. WE WOULD REQUEST TO PULL THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND ECKSTEIN. THAT'S AGAIN THREE, FOUR, FIVE,

SIX AND NUMBER 16, MR. CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: UNLIKE 19, 33, 34, AND 35. THAT WILL BE NOTED AS WELL.

THERE'S A RED FOLDER ON 19, 33, 34, AND 35 REQUESTING THE FOLDER THREE, FOUR, FIVE, AND 16.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? CAN WE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT HE IS STILL ON AND MAKE SURE HE CAN HEAR US OR NOT? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: IS MR. WALKER AVAILABLE?

[Regular Agenda]

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>> YES. I VOTED YES.

>> WE MOVE ON TO ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

>> THERE ARE TWO ITEMS AND ONE IS I THINK THE BOARD MEMBERS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT BUT WE WOULD GIVE.

THE MANNER OF EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION OR ORDER PERTAINING TO COVID-19 THROUGH THE STATUTE.

THE BOARD COULD PUT THE CARES ACT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, OR I COULD PUT THAT IN REPORTS, AND I THINK THE OTHER ITEM EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION TO BE DONE.T THE BOARD'S PLEASURE

WE WILL DO THE CARES ACT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY COMMENT OR PREFERENCE FROM THE BOARD? IF NOT I WILL PUT CARES ACT FINDING AND WE CAN MOVE THE EMERGENCY ORDER INTO THE COMMENTS IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. ALL RIGHT.

IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? THE CLERK OF COURT WILL PUT THAT AS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA AS AMENDED. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

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THIS MORNING WE HAVE INTRODUCTORY BUDGETS FROM OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

MR. DUNN, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> JESSE DUNN DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF BUDGET AND PART OF OUR NORMAL ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS. WE BRING FORWARD TO HEAR THE PRESENTATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS BUDGET SUBMISSIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021.

THIS IS PER FLORIDA STATUTE 129.032.

THEY SHALL SUBMIT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON OR BEFORE JUNE 1, THERE BUDGET SUBMISSIONS, WHICH HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, AND WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE PRESENTATIONS TODAY. THE TAX COLLECTOR AND PROPERTY APPRAISER. THEY GENERALLY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A SUBMISSION. THEY ARE BASED ON ÃTHEY ARE FEE-BASED AND BASED ON PROPERTY TAX AD VALOREM.

HOWEVER, PROPERTY APPRAISAL, APPRAISER EDDIE CREAMER HAS CHOSEN TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION WHICH I THINK IS EXCELLENT AND SUPPORTS THE PROCESS.

EACH CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER WILL MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION WITH THE TENTATIVE ORDER BEING WE'RE GOING TO START INITIALLY WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER FOLLOWED BY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND THEN TO THE CLERK OF COURTS AND THEN FINALLY TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SO FIRST UP WITHOUT FURTHER ADO FOR ME I AM GOING TO ASK PROPERTY APPRAISER EDDIE CREAMER TO COME FORWARD, AND AS HE'S COMING UP I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER COMPLEMENT HIS PROCESS THIS YEAR.

THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE BROUGHT FORWARD A FANTASTIC LIVE DATABASE THIS PAST YEAR THAT IS REALLY IMPROVED ON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE EVALUATION IS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING LAST YEAR AND HOW MUCH THAT WILL COST.

I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION AND I WILL TRY TO FOLLOW THAT.

WELL I WON'T DELAY. IT IS THERE.

I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE FACED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS OR TWO AND A HALF YEARS OF OUR TERMS AND THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY AND OUR BUDGET GOING FORWARD AND HOW WE PLAN TO CONTINUE TO STAY AHEAD OF AND MANAGE THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY. TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF

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IN 2020 THIS YEAR'S TAX ROLE WE ADDED 1 1/2 BILLION DOLLARS FOR VALUE TO THE TAX ROLE JUST FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SALES ARE STILL OCCURRING IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2016 PROPERTY APPRAISALS OFFICE FOUND 2000 SALES. SALES DECLINE IN THE SECOND QUARTER BUT SALES CONTINUE TO OCCUR.HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS IN HE COUNTY AND THE SAME. HAVE GROWN FROM 61,000 TO 74,000 AND WE TAKE ABOUT 8000 NEW APPLICATIONS PER YEAR ON HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHIFT THAT NOW TO ABOUT 63 PERCENT OF THOSE ONLINE.

WITH THE REMAINDER COMING INTO THE OFFICE.

TAXABLE VALUE IS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS IN THE COUNTY, THE TAX RULES WE HAVE SUBMITTED HAVE INCREASED 42.97 PERCENT.

LET'S TAKE A MINUTE TO DIGEST THAT.

THE TAX ROLE FROM 2016 TO 2020 HAS INCREASED ALMOST 43 PERCENT WITH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THAT BEING NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW WITH THE INITIAL PUBLISHING OF THE TAX ROLLS IN THE STATE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS IN THE TOP FIVE AN INCREASE IN VALUE OF ABOUT 11 PERCENT YEAR-OVER-YEAR.

BUILDING PERMITS IN 2016 WERE 9000.

BUILDING PERMITS IN 2019 WERE 4300.

I AM SORRY. THAT'S A BACK COMPARISON.

IT WAS 900 TO 4300 AND THEN THIS YEAR WE HAVE 1700 BUILDING PERMITS TODAY. SO DO WE NOT HAVE THE PRESENTATION? BECAUSE I CAN PUT IT IN THE OVERHEAD IF I NEED TO. WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL?

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE DIDN'T GET THE PERSONAL

NOTES THERE. >> MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE REVIEW THOSE PERSONAL NOTES. THIS IS THE NEXT SPENDING OF THE OFFICE OVER THE YEARS AND I JUST PRESENTED THAT SPENDING THIS YEAR. IN 2016 THE BUDGET AMOUNT WAS $5.6 MILLION. THERE WAS A REVISION BACK IN THE COUNTY, $270,000 FOR NOT SPENDING OF 5.3, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUDGETING AMOUNT AND THE REVISION AMOUNT THE SPENDING AMOUNT HAS GONE FORWARD.

2018 AND 19 WAS KIND OF AN ANOMALY.

WE HAD BUDGETED FOR A NEW SYSTEM MASS APPRAISAL.

WE GOT INTO THAT CONTRACT AND GOT ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND DETERMINED THE COMPANY WE HAVE CHOSEN DID NOT MEET OUR NEEDS SO WE CANCELED THE CONTRACT AND RECEIVED A FULL REFUND WHICH REVERTED BACK TO THE COUNTY AFTER THAT. THE 2019 20 BUDGET WAS OUT WITH $4 MILLION WE WERE IN THE BUDGET.

THERE WILL BE REVISION AMOUNT. I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT I THINK IT WILL BE. AND THEN THE BUDGET REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR IS $5.4 MILLION AND IN THE NOTES THERE THE BUDGET IS BASICALLY FLAT. PERSONAL SERVICES ARE BACK 95,000. I BELIEVE THESE WERE UP 92,000.

THERE IS NO CAPITAL EXPENDITURE BUDGETED IN THE OFFICE FOR THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR. I WILL STOP THERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE EXPENDITURES.

>> THANK YOU. TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE HEALTH AUDIT THAT WE STARTED LAST YEAR, WE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND OTHER TAXING AUTHORITIES IN THE COUNTY. WE BEGIN THAT PROCESS IN NOVEMBER, AND WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART COMPLETE WITH THAT.

MY NOTES HAVE UPDATED THE NUMBER.

THE NUMBERS ON THE PRESENTATION.

PROCESS IDENTIFIED FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION WE EXPECTED TO FIND BETWEEN 15 AND 20 PERCENT AND THE YIELD WAS HIGHER.

FRANKLY WE FOUND RENTAL PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE GLEANED $718,428 IN TOTAL VALUE AND $290,945 OF

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THIS WILL INCREASE AS WE FINISH THE PROJECT THAT WILL TURN INTO AN ONGOING MONITORING PROJECT GOING FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT 51 PERCENT OF ALL OF THE PARCELS IDENTIFIED GLEANED AND HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION REMOVED FOR PROCESSING. EITHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR LONG-TERM RENTAL THAT WERE CLAIMING HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PLANS FOR NEXT YEAR, AS WE CONTINUE TO REFERENCE TECHNOLOGY AND KEEP UP THE GROWTH, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE WILL UNDERTAKE AND ONE IS CALLED [INDISCERNIBLE] VERIFICATION. THIS SOFTWARE USES OUR EXISTING SKETCHES FOR EVERY PARCEL WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS, THERE IS A SKETCH AND THEN AS I TOLD YOU LAST YEAR, WE HAVE GONE TO ANNUAL AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY SO IT OVERLAYS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY WITH THE SKETCH AND IDENTIFIES CHANGES IN THE FOOTPRINT FOR US. SOME CHANGES AND A FOOTPRINT OF MORE THAN A CERTAIN TRIGGER WILL CAUSE US FURTHER INVESTIGATION TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONS OR CHANGES THAT WE HAD MISSED. WE WILL UNDERTAKE THIS PROJECT THIS YEAR AND THAT WILL BE ONGOING.

THE SECOND PROJECT WILL BE A MAJOR PROJECT FOR US.

WE HAVE CONTACTED THE VENDOR ACROSS ÃCALLED [INDISCERNIBLE] DRIVING OUR COUNTY AND WE WILL GET HIGH-RESOLUTION STREET-LEVEL IMAGERY. SIMILAR TO A GOOGLE STREET VIEW ACCEPTED WILL BE SPECIFIC TO OUR COUNTY IDENTIFIED TWO PARCEL NUMBERS AND WE WILL GET A 360 DEGREE 180 DEGREE RESOLUTION. WE ÃIS A WIDE RANGE DETECTION THERE WILL BE LASER IMAGERY. THEY WILL ALSO ALLOW OUR APPRAISERS TO APPRAISE MORE. BEST IN THE FIELD.

WE HAVE PRODUCTIVE MEANS TO MAKE THIS AVAILABLE AS WELL.

WE PROVIDE IMAGERY AND ELEVATION.

WE WILL PUSH THIS TO THE WEBSITE AND AFTER I HAS BEEN BLURRED AND PERSONAL INFORMATION REMOVED FOR IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC SPECIFICALLY FOR FAMILIES AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE UP TO. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN TO SPEND NEXT YEAR.

WILL ADDRESS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ANY ORGANIZATION. EVEN INCREASE THE QUALITY OF SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE ORGANIZATION HAS A GOOD REPUTATION AND RARELY DO I GET CALLS WITH POSITIVE FEEDBACK BUT ON OCCASION I GET THIS CALLS SPECIFIC TO THE ORGANIZATION. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> WE APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION HAVE OUTSTANDING STAFF. THEY ARE ALSO COMMITTED TO PUBLIC SERVICE. AND THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

I TOLD STAFF I COULD DISAPPEAR AND YOU WOULD NOT MISS ME.

THAT'S HIGH SUCCESS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.

>> NEXT, VICKI OAKES. >> GOOD MORNING.

IT'S A BUSY TIME AT THE ELECTIONS OFFICE.

WE ARE 64 DAYS OUT FROM THE AUGUST PRIMARY ELECTION.

AS YOU KNOW CANADA QUALIFYING ENDED AT NOON LAST FRIDAY AND THE BALLOTS ARE SET. WE ARE DOING BALLOT LAYOUTS RIGHT NOW, AND VOTE BY MAIL BALLOTS GO IN THE MAIL FOR AUGUST PRIMARY ON JULY 3. THAT WAS OUR FIRST DROP.

IT'S A BUSY TIME AT OUR OFFICE. IT'S ALSO A CHALLENGING TIME,

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SO WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

AND HERE IS OUR PLAN. MY OFFICE IS ENCOURAGING AND EXPANDING BOOK BY MAIL. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO CANNOT, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS NO LONGER COME TO THE POLLING PLACES SO WE ARE EXPANDING THE OPPORTUNITIES AND ENCOURAGING VOTE BY MAIL. A MESSAGE TO OUR VOTERS IS VOTING BY MAIL IS SAFE. IT IS SECURE AND WE HAVE TOOLS RIGHT ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE A BIRD CAN LOOK UP THE INFORMATION AND TRACK THEIR VOTE BY MAIL BALLOT FROM THE TIME THEY REQUESTED TO THE TIME IT'S MAILED.

THEY VOTE IT, RETURN IT TO OUR OFFICE, THEY CAN VERIFY IT AND THEY CAN VERIFY THE FACT THAT THEIR BALLOT HAS BEEN COUNTED.

IT IS VERY SECURE. I AM SO CONVINCED ABOUT IT THAT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF COVID-19, I HAVE DECIDED TO PAY RETURN POSTAGE ON OUR BOOK BY MAIL FOR THE AUGUST PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTION. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

SO WE ARE ALSO EXPANDING EARLY VOTING I HAVE A BUDGET AND HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN MY MEANS, SO HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH MY EXISTING BUDGET. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ADD TWO DAYS TO OUR REGULAR EIGHT DAYS OF EARLY VOTING FOR 10 DAYS OF EARLY VOTING FOR THE PRIMARY. I'M ALSO ADDING TWO ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS. MY GOAL FOR THE GENERAL COUNTY.

WE WENT TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPREAD PEOPLE OUT BECAUSE OF SOCIAL DISTANCING.

WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN A COUPLE OF ELECTIONS ÃWE HAD THE SLING WEEK IN GEORGIA THAT DID NOT GO WELL BECAUSE OF THE LINES.

BECAUSE OF SOCIAL DISTANCING, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LINES NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE LOOK AROUND YOU.

THE LINES ARE EVERYWHERE. WE HAVE EXPANDING VOTING BY MAIL EXPANDING EARLY VOTING, I LOOK AT THE 2016 NOVEMBER ELECTION AND SEE THAT 72 PERCENT ARE VOTERS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE ELECTION CAST BALLOTS BEFORE ELECTION DAY. I WANT TO PUSH THAT UP.

I WANT TO INCREASE THAT. SO THAT WHEN ELECTION DAY COMES AND WE STILL HAVE OUR POLLING PLACES, WHICH WE WILL OPEN ON ELECTION DAY, THERE WILL BE LESS PEOPLE.

RIGHT NOW, WE ARE REVIEWING ALL OF OUR POLLING PLACES, THEIR VARIOUS SIZES AND SOME OF THEM ARE SMALL.

BUT WE HAVE TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IN EACH ONE TO ALLOW FOR VOTERS AND OUR WORKERS.

AND VICKI'S RULE OF THUMB IS NEVER, EVER MOVE A POLLING PLACE UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BECAUSE VOTERS DON'T LIKE IT. IT CAUSES A LOT OF CONFUSION AS WELL. SO WE ARE COMPLETING A REVIEW OF ALL OF OUR POLLING PLACES. IT WILL BE VERY VERY MINIMAL.

NORMAL MOVE OF THE POLLING PLACES.

SO THAT IS OUR PLAN. EXPAND VOTING BY MAIL.

EXPAND EARLY VOTING. STILL PROVIDE FOR ELECTION DAY IN PERSON VOTING LOCATIONS. SO THE SECOND COMPONENT IS VOTER EDUCATION. NOW THAT WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT FOR THE AUGUST SELECTION WE HAVE TO LET OUR VOTERS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO WE HAVE UPDATED OUR PUBLICATION, THE CITIZENS GUIDE TO REGISTERING AND VOTING FOR THESE ELECTIONS SPECIFICALLY COMING UP. YESTERDAY WE DROPPED 118,000 OF THESE IN THE MAIL. EVERY RESIDENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL RECEIVE ONE. HAS INFORMATION ON REGISTERING TO VOTE, VOTE BY MAIL, EARLY VOTING IN OUR PLANS TO EXPAND BOTH EARLY VOTING ELECTION DAY. MY GOAL IS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE.

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SO NOW MOVING ON TO OUR BUDGET FOR 18.

AS NORMAL, WE PROVIDED FOR YOU A VERY, VERY DETAILED BUDGET ON OUR EXPENSES. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THIS WAS AS OF MAY 30. WE GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION SINCE THAT TIME ABOUT THE CARES GRANT FUNDS THAT IS SPECIFIC TO ELECTIONS AND DIFFERENT FROM ANY OF THE OTHER MONEY THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE RECEIVING. FLORIDA SHARE OF THE 400 BILLION THAT IS ELECTION SPECIFIC IS $20 MILLION.

THAT WILL BE DIVIDED UP EACH COUNTY WILL RECEIVE $50,000 AS A BASELINE. THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS, ABOUT 70 MILLION, WILL BE DIVIDED BY THE 67 COUNTIES.

SO MUCH PER REGISTER VOTER AS OF THE CLOTHES OF THE BOOKS FOR THE MARCH ELECTION. I DID A LITTLE MATH AND I GOT HAPPY ABOUT THE SPEAKERS BECAUSE OURS WERE AN EXTRA AMOUNT OF MONEY I WILL BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR.

EVERY COVERT EXPENSE BEGINNING JANUARY 1.

THAT MEANS MY NEW HIGH-SPEED TABULATOR THAT I BOUGHT FOR VOTE BY MAIL. THE VALID ON-DEMAND PRINTERS.

EXPANSION OF OUR EARLY VOTING SITE.

POSTAGE PAID RETURN. I CAN GET REIMBURSED FOR.

WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS MY BUDGET THAT SUBMITTED ON THE 30TH WILL BE REDUCED. BE ABLE TO KEEP THE BUDGET OFFICE AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE STATE AS WE WILL BE ABLE TO APPLY. I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE

QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER: NO, SIR.

I HAVE OBJECT >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. MR. DUNN?

>> THANK YOU. NEXT WILL BE THE CLERK OF

COURTS, BRANDON PATTY. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: GOOD

MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

BEFORE I BEGAN I LIKE TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO COUNTY ADMIN, LINDA, EEOC, COUNTY RESCUE AND A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PARTNERS THAT HELP US WITH OUR COURTHOUSE REOPENING.

IT HAS BEEN ABOUT AS SEAMLESS AS A PROCESS IT CAN BE BUT IT'S TRULY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEST WHOLE COMMUNITY APPROACH TO GOVERNMENT HERE AND WE ARE A MODEL FOR THE STATE.

WE HAVE OTHER COURTHOUSES AND CIRCUITS REACHING OUT TO US SO I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR DECISION-MAKING IN THE COUNTY ADMIN FOR PUTTING IN THE TIME THEY HAVE AS WELL AS FLAGLER HEALTH CARE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE THEY PUT FORTH HELPING US WITH THE HEALTH CHECKS GOING INTO THE COURTHOUSE.

I WOULD TO START WITH THAT BEFORE GOING INTO OUR BUDGET.

AS DISCUSSED AND WE USUALLY HAVE ÃTHIS IS FY 2021.

IT WILL BE FOR THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.

WE HAVE A SLIGHT DECREASE OF 24,000 DUE TO NOT PAYING THEM FOR NEXT YEAR. GO ON LINE BY LINE PERSONAL SERVICES THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL DECREASE.

OPERATING EXPENDITURES SLIGHTLY AS WELL AS CAPITAL OUTLAY.

THE CAPITAL OUTLAY IS AN ORDER TO HELP SUPPLY NEW NETWORK SWITCHES IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS FROM OUR TECHNOLOGY SECURITY PERSPECTIVE. OUR SECOND BUDGET UP IS OUR

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THIS IS FOR RELOCATING ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS INTO THE MAIN BUILDING AT THE COURTHOUSE IN ORDER TO INCREASE EFFICIENCIES AND INCREASE OUR USAGE OF THE SPACE WITHIN THE COMPLEX.

THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO DO ANY QUESTIONS

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PATTY? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

THANK YOU, MR. PATTY. >> AND FINALLY, WE WILL ASK MAC KLEIN TO COME TO THE PODIUM REGARDING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUDGET.S A LATEBREAKING ITEM WITH THE CHAIR PROSPECT PERMISSION, ADMINISTRATION WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE SHERIFF HAS SUBMITTED AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET SUBMISSION. WE'VE RECEIVED THAT LITERATELY THIS MORNING. IF I MAY I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OFF ÃAS MR. KLEIN IS WALKING UP AS A $1.4 MILLION REDUCTION TO THE SUBMISSION FOR FISCAL YEAR 21

>> THAT'S A BLESSING. >> IS LIKE A REQUEST TO GO AFTER EDDIE CREAMER NEXT YEAR, SO WHEN HE COMES UP AND TALKS ABOUT THE GROWTH I CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT OUR GROWTH AS WELL. CAN WE CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT? BE HERE.

MATTHEW KLEIN. I WILL BE STANDING IN AND REPRESENTING OUR SHARE OF DAVID DAVID SHOAR.

YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW GOOD YOU'VE GOT IT SOMETIMES UNTIL YOU LOSE IT. WE SAY THAT ALL THE TIME.

LOOKING AT THE SUPPORT FROM THIS COMMISSION, FROM THIS BODY, FROM OUR PREDECESSORS. WE HAVE HAD IT REALLY GOOD.

WE HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT ON THIS SIDE OF THE BENCH.

WE SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM YOU ALSO THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR CITIZENS. YOU ALL TO WATCH IN THE NEWS THE CITIZENS ARE WATCHING THE NEWS.

OUR MEN AND WOMEN, OUR CIVILIAN PERSONNEL.

IT'S VERY EASY TO GET TRAPPED IN THIS KIND OF MORALE DUMPED THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR PROFESSION.

OUR CITIZENS HAVE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.

WE DON'T AIR EVERYTHING OUT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS MAY BE LIKE WE SHOULD. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO CERTAIN GOOD THINGS OUR CITIZENS ARE DOING FOR US. THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT ÃAND WHEN I SAY HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CITIZENS STOPPING DEPUTIES AND SAYING KEEP YOUR HEAD UP.

WE KNOW YOU ALL ARE NOT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE MEDIA.E CAN'T THROW MONEY AT THE PROBLEM.

WE CAN ONLY GET SO MANY PATS ON THE BACK AND THAT A BOY.

IF THE CITIZENS DON'T RESPECT YOU AND I DON'T APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, IT'S EASY FOR MORALE TO DROP.

IF ANYTHING, IT'S TWISTED UP. WE'VE GOT A RECHARGE FROM OUR CITIZENS. ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF AND THE MEN AND WOMEN AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WE WANT TO THANK OUR CITIZENS FOR STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE.

THEY'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE. IF ANYBODY'S GOING TO BRING IT TO US IT WILL BE OUR CITIZENS. THERE MR. DUNN HAS TALKED ABOUT OUR BUDGET. WE WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THE WEEKEND AND FIND SOME LAST-MINUTE SAVINGS, SO WE WILL COME IN LOWER THAN WE ORIGINALLY HAD ANTICIPATED.

MOST OF OUR COST WERE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH.

A LOT OF OUR TRAINED PERSONNEL ÃCOMMISSIONERS, I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES IN THE FUTURE AND FOR THE FUTURE SHERIFF'S TO TAKE COMMAND OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS TRAINING AND RETENTION.

IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO BE COMPETITIVE TO KEEP GOOD MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS PROFESSION. I'VE GOT TO TAKE MY HAT OFF TO THE FLAGLER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

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I THINK THEY ARE PAYING THEIR DEPUTIES AROUND $43,000 TO START WITH A HOURS 40. WE DO NEED TO UP OUR BASE AND REMAIN COMPETITIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CLAY COUNTY IS GOING TO DO THIS YEAR. ANOTHER JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS PAYING 46,000.E WILL HAVE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO STARTING DEPUTIES POCKET IN ORDER TO STAY COMPETITIVE TO KEEP THE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE HAVE.

THE OTHER THING I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY INTO KEEPING THE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN AS OUR TRAINING FACILITY THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT IS A BIG RECRUITING TOOL IS THAT TRAINING FACILITY. AS YOU CAN TELL IF YOU HAVE POOR TRAINING, THINGS CAN GO BACK QUICK AND EVERYTHING CAN TURN UPSIDE DOWN. OUR DEPUTIES HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT. IF YOU HAVE GONE BY I-95 YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S A POSITIVE THING, AND THAT'S A HUGE MORALE BOOST TO OUR AGENCY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL TURN IT OVER.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> I WANT TO SAY I WANT TO THANK COUNTY AND THE CITY LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS FOR YOUR PROACTIVE STANCE IN MANY OF THE SITUATIONS OTHER ACCOUNTS, COUNTIES AND STATES WE HAVE NOT. IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY AND ADVERTISE PREVENTION WITH THE LACK OF WHAT OTHERS HAVE EXPERIENCED AS EVIDENCE OF HOW WELL YOUR ORGANIZATION IS REACHING OUT. YOU MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY WHEN HE SAID RESPECT. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT ON BOTH SIDES.ND I SEE IT ON A DAILY BASIS.

IT'S NOT ADVERTISER IN THE MEDIA BECAUSE IT'S JUST WHAT YOU DO NATURALLY. IT'S WHAT OUR COMMUNITY COMES TO EXPECT AND RECEIVES AND THEY PROVIDED AT THE SAME TIME.

I WANT TO THANK THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.

WE HAD SITUATIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN VOLATILE.

I HAD PEOPLE SAY I HEARD THIS AT THIS RALLY AND THUS AT THAT PROTEST AND WHAT WERE THE OFFICERS DOING ABOUT IT.

I SIMPLY THINK THEY ARE DOING FOR MORE WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING PUBLICLY. SOMETIMES IT'S MORE TACTFUL TO TAKE SOMEONE ASIDE AND SAY THIS IS A SITUATION THIS IS LEGALLY YOU MAY HAVE STOPPED WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT AGAIN RATHER THAN MAKE A SHOW OF RESTING SOMEONE YOU ARE EFFECTIVE AT DE-ESCALATING SITUATIONS THAT ARE OFTEN PURPOSELY SET UP FOR THAT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WAY YOU HAVE HANDLED SITUATIONS IN THE PAST MANY OF WHICH WE PROBABLY HAVE NO PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OF.

RECOGNIZE HOW EFFECTIVE THE ORGANIZATION AND I WANT TO

THANK YOU FOR IT. >> THAT MEANS A LOT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

I JUST WANT TO SAY I WANT TO ECHO WHAT WAS DONE EARLIER.

I APPRECIATE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE.

VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. WHETHER IT'S CIVIL UNREST OR BASIC LAW ENFORCEMENT WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THESE MEN AND WOMEN PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING IN BUT ALSO THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND YOU'VE BEEN WORKING HARD TO FIND MORE SAVINGS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER DEAN HI

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT WHILE THERE ARE SO HERE AND POINT OUT THAT I THINK IN MY 3 1/2 YEARS ON THIS COMMISSION IN MY EXPERIENCE WE HAVE THE MOST EXCELLENT GROUP OF CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS TO WORK WITH.

IN MY PAST LIFE AND WORKING AROUND THE STATE, I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION SPECIFIC COUNTIES OR INDIVIDUALS, BUT I'VE SEEN SOME REALLY, REALLY SALACIOUS FIGHTING BACK AND FORTH, PARTICULARLY AS SHERIFF AND HIS COUNSEL IN ANOTHER COUNTY WITH THE CLERK OF COURT AND HIS COMMISSION THAT IT WAS BEYOND UGLY. MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT ON THE PART OF OUR FIVE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS WITH US WORKING IN HARMONY AND SOMETIMES I THINK I START OUT BY SAYING SOMETIMES WE DON'T RECOGNIZE HOW GOOD WE HAVE IT AND SORT OF TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.

WITH VICKI AND BRANDON AND EDDIE AND SHERIFF SHOAR AND MAT, IT'S A PLEASURE WORKING WITH EACH OF THOSE OFFICERS AND I FELT COMPELLED TO POINT THAT OUT.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I WILL SAY AMEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS.

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>> JUST TO FINALIZE THERE IS NO MOTION.

THIS IS JUST INFORMATIONAL. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, I WILL EMAIL YOU THE LETTER FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO YOU HAVE HAD TODAY. AND JUST IN CLOSING, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THE NEXT STEP IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, JULY 1 WE SEE THE FINAL CERTIFIED EVALUATIONS FOR OUR BUDGET PROCESS TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE AND OMP ADMINISTRATION PLAN TO BRING BACK A RECOMMENDED BUDGET TENTATIVELY ON THE JULY ÃPART OF THE JULY 7 BCC AGENDA AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU

>> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTITUTIONAL BUDGET REQUEST.

FOR PRESENTATION >> TOM REYNOLDS 50 BRIGANTINE CT. I WANT TO START OFF.

I WANT TO GET EDDIE CREAMER AND A+.

HE DOES A GOOD JOB AND RUNS ECHO DEPARTMENT.

I AM GOING TO GIVE OAKS AND A+ TODAY.

CAN I GET THIS ON THE OVERHEAD, PLEASE?I WENT TO TELL YOU I AM VERY RELIEVED COMING TO THIS MEETING TODAY TO HEAR VICKI OAKES TALK ABOUT THE MAIL-IN BALLOTING.

AND THAT IS HUGE TO INCLUDE THAT RETURN STAMP.

BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY WAS TO LISTEN TO THE NEWS, YOU WOULD THINK ALL MAIL-IN VOTING IS PRIDE AND ALL OF THIS STUFF, BUT I KNOW FOR YEARS VICKI OAKES HAS BEEN A LEADER.

MAIL-IN BALLOTING AND STUFF. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, TODAY, I THINK THE CLERK OF COURTS IS PROBABLY DOING A GREAT JOB.

NO ONE EVEN RAN AGAINST HIM. THE ONE GUY DROPPED OUT SO THEY MUST KNOW THAT BRANDON PATTY IS DOING A GOOD JOB.

BUT YOU KNOW, MR. PATTY IS FAILING IN ONE THING.

SEE, DOWN HERE, IT SAYS, " THE ETHICAL COUNTY OFFICIAL SHOULD NOT ENGAGE IN OUTSIDE INTEREST THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE IMPARTIAL AND OBJECTIVE PERFORMANCE OF HIS OR HER DUTIES ." MR. PATTY, HIM BEING IN CHARGE OF THAT IS DISAPPOINTING. THOSE COULD BE HIS BELIEFS, AND THAT'S HIS RIGHT. BUT WHEN I GET MAIL FROM HIM, BECAUSE I'M A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, I AM DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I WOULD THINK HE WOULD DROP BACK ARE EASY.

HE COULD STILL BE A MEMBER BUT HIS NAME SHOULD NOT BE ON THAT AND SHOULDN'T BE ON OUR CLERK OF COURTS.

TODAY I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE HIM AN F BECAUSE HE IS DISAPPOINTING. I WILL CHANGE THAT TO NA+ IF HE DROPS. VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO NOT TALK ABOUT BODY CAMS, TO NOT TALK ABOUT DASHBOARD CAMS, TO NOT PROTECT THE DEPUTIES.

ALL THAT STUFF THE CLIENT SAID WAS GREAT, BUT THE NUMBER ONE TOOL A DEPUTY NEEDS CAMERA. THEY ARE BRIGHT WITH FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND THAT WOULD HURT OUR BANKBOOK.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.

IF I WAS A CAUCASIAN DEPUTY, I WOULD BUY MY OWN BODY CAM.

THEY ARE REALLY SUBJECT TO FALSE ACCUSATIONS RIGHT NOW.

WE ALL KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GOOD.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BAD ACTORS IN ALL PROFESSIONS OF LIFE. BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED, SO I'M GOING TO GET THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, DAVID SHOAR, AND F TODAY. YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MR. CHAIR, I DO WANT TO SAY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, OF COURSE, THE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER, MR. EDDIE CREAMER,

>> IT'S CRE A MER AS OPPOSED TO THE SEINFELD KRAMER

>> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE.

I JUST HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS TO MS. OAKES.

HER DEPARTMENT HAS A GOING ON. I RECEIVED A SUMMONS TO HER OFFICE. EVIDENTLY, A SIGNATURE PUT ON A PETITION DIDN'T MATCH MY SIGNATURES AND SO THEY WANTED VERIFICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ME SIGNING A PETITION, AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE DOING A WONDERFUL SECURITY JOB. I ECHO TOM'S CONCERNED ABOUT BODY CAMS AND VEHICLE CAMS. IT CAN JUST AS WELL SAVE THAT

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I DON'T KNOW WHY NOBODY WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FOR NOT ONLY THE SAFETY OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BEING ABLE TO PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE OR GUILT, EITHER WAY IT GOES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A GOOD IDEA. THEY HAVE THE EXTRA IN THEIR BUDGET. PUT THE CAMERAS AND PEERED PROTECT YOU ALL. PROTECT THEMSELVES.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL GIVE IT ABOUT 30 SECONDS. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO OTHER

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: WITH NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD WE WILL MOVE ALONG IN THE AGENDA. THANK YOU, MR. DON, MS. OAKES, MR. EDDIE CREAMER, BRANDON AND SHERIFF AS WELL.

HAVE A BLESSED DAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.

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LIGAMENT COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: YES, SIR.

ON MAY 18 AT 9:30, I MET WITH BARBARA JENNESS AND KATHY KAREN WHO DISCUSSED ISSUES AROUND Ã REVOLVING AROUND THE TWO PROPOSALS FOR INCLUSION INTO THE VILANO TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS ON THE 18TH: WEDNESDAY, JUNE 10, I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND SHANNON ACEVEDO ÃI ALWAYS STRUGGLE WITH HER LAST NAMES ÃTO DISCUSS ALL OF THE ASPECTS OF BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AND ALSO YESTERDAY, I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH VIVIAN BROWNING, WHO EXPRESSED THE WORK FOR THESE ITEMS.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER: YES SIR.

THANK YOU. I DID HAVE A PHONE CONFERENCE THURSDAY, JUNE 4 AT 2:30 P.M. WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND SHANNON ACEVEDO. WE DID DISCUSS THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, SOME OF THE DETAILS. I'VE ALSO RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS AND FAVOR AND SUPPORT OF THIS AND WHAT AREN'T YOU EXPRESSING SOME CONCERN. HAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN.> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.OMMISSIONER WALDRON CONNECTS BEFORE I HAD A MEETING THURSDAY, JUNE 4, AT 11:30 WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR AND MRS. SHANNON ACEVEDO AND STAFF. WE DISCUSSED THE CHANGES THAT THEY WERE REQUESTING, I STATED MY CONCERNS WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING ESPECIALLY ALONG THE BEACHES.

I DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF EMAILS AND FAVOR.

I DON'T THINK I RECEIVED ANY IN OPPOSITION.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON FOR >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS: ON JUNE 4 I MET WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND SHARON AZEVEDO ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND THE CHANGES BEING REQUESTED.

I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS BEING ESPOUSED AND I ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR CONSTRUCTION SEAWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION LINE AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING HOW THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED. IT WAS ALSO POINTED OUT TO ME THAT ONE OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS WAS DENIED THE EASEMENT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY FOR THE PIPELINE THAT WAS PROPOSED OR REQUIRED FOR PEACHTREE NOURISHMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I MET WITH MS. SHANNON ACEVEDO AND KAREN TAYLOR, ALICE MORRIS AND MIKE ROBBERSON ON JUNE 4 AT 11:00 A.M. WE DISCUSSED THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST AND APPLICATION, BOTH THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE PULLED INTO IT. WE LOOKED AT THE MAPS AND USE.

WE LOOKED AT REGULATORY PLANS. WE LOOKED AT THE SMALL PARCEL ON THE SOUTH END, IT WAS EXISTING AS A DUPLEX, DISCUSS WHAT IT WAS TODAY AND THE RESIDENTIAL C RT ONE AND RG TO.

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WE DISCUSSED THE HEIGHT ON THE BEACH AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED ÃI THINK THAT WILL COVER IT PRETTY WELL.

WE WILL LEAVE THAT. MS. ACEVEDO?

GOOD MORNING. >> SHANNON ACEVEDO, 7 WALTER ST., ST. AUGUSTINE, FL, FOR THE RECORD.

THIS PROJECT IS TO BRING TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY INTO THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER. JUST FOR INTRODUCTION, LET YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR TEAM, MYSELF WITH MATTHEW'S DESIGN GROUP AS WELL AS KAREN TAYLOR, LAND PLANNER, AND ANY OWNERS OF THIS PROJECT ARE EARL AND REMI JENSEN AND JOHN R PISANI.

TWO DISTINCT PROPERTIES. YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE MAP ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PUBLIX AND A SMALL LOT IS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE OCEANVIEW LODGE HOTEL.

SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE SUMMARY ON THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER. THIS IS A UNIQUE PART OF THE COUNTY AND AS PART OF THE WATERFRONTS AND MAIN STREET COMMUNITY. IT'S DESIGNED TO BE A MIXED-USE COMMUNITY AND FEATURES SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, A LACK OF URBAN FORM TYPE REGULATIONS WITHIN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY.

AND THE IDEA IS REALLY TO CREATE A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND MAKE SURE THERE IS A BALANCE OF ISSUES IS TO CREATE WORK COMPACT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DESIGNS AND URBAN FORM.

AND WITH THIS COMES 2 TO THREE-STORY BUILDINGS AS PART OF THE REGULATION TO HAVE A MORE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE CONCEPT. THERE IS ALSO A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA DESIGNATED FOR THIS AREA, AND I WILL GO INTO THIS A LITTLE MORE, BUT THERE IS A MASTER UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS WELL AS A STREET SCAPE FOR THE AREA IN GENERAL.

THIS IS THE TOWN CENTER TODAY. AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THE PIECES OF PROPERTY EITHER HAVE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OR HAVE BEEN RECENTLY ENTITLED OR APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE GOT THE HOLIDAY INN AND THE HYATT UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE VILANO TOWNHOMES THAT ARE COMING SOON AND FOR PERSPECTIVE, THE PERSPECTIVE PROPERTY HERE IS A VACANT LOT IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM PUBLIX.

AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, THE OTHER ONE IS SOUTH OF THE OCEANVIEW LODGE HOTEL AND OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER IS BECAUSE THEY REALLY HAVE THE SAME GOAL AND NOT TO BECOME AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE SUCCESS OF THE VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER. IT IS FILLING OUT, SO WE THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE TOWN CENTER SLIGHTLY.

IN TOTAL, WE ARE LOOKING AT 2.22 ACRES.

THIS IS .13 ACRE FOR POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF THE OCEANVIEW LODGE HOTEL, AND THEN THE OTHER IS A 2.08 ACRE VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCES FOR EACH OF THE TWO PROPERTIES TO ALLOW FOR INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENT, OR IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OR CONCERNS THE BOARD HAS WE WENT TO A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.

ESSENTIALLY, THE REQUEST WE ARE ASKING FOR IS TO BRING BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES INTO THE TOWN CENTER MIXED-USE DISTRICT TO A SMALL SCALE LAND-USE AMENDMENT AND REZONING.

THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USES ARE SURROUNDING THE PROPERTIES.

FOR EARL AND REMI JENSEN'S PIECE AT THE OCEANVIEW LODGE HOTEL, THIS IS RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF ADAMO DRIVE THERE IS A 20 FOOT WIDE ALLEY WHICH IS USED FOR DRAINAGE AND OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT SEPARATES THE HOTEL FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.

. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS IS WHAT THE HOTEL LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

THIS IS A VIEW FACING SOUTH WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS.

AND THERE IS A DUPLEX CURRENTLY ON THE SITE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY FOR THE .13 ACRES. THE IDEA WOULD BE TOO REDEVELOP THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IN TERMS OF IMPACT NALYSIS FOR THE LAND-USE REQUEST AND ONE OF THOSE MIGHT BE A 12 ROOM HOTEL EXPANSION

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THIS IS FACING EAST. .

AND THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

SO WE'VE GOT ALL THE BLUE. THAT THE EXISTING BOUNDARY OF THE TOWN CENTER IN THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, BOTH PROPERTIES ARE ADJACENT TO IT.

BOTH PROPERTIES ARE ADJACENT TO IT.

AND SIMILARLY, FOR THE ZONING, NOW YOU SEE THE MINT GREEN COLOR. THAT'S THE TOWN CENTER DISTRICT BOUNDARY, AND THEN BOTH PROPERTIES ARE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED ARE G1 AND RG TO RESPECTIVELY FOR MR. ARBIZZANI'S PIECE AND THEN THE JENSEN IS MY PEACE.

AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SEEING IT ON A MAP.

THIS IS WHAT THE AMENDMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED TODAY AND WHAT THE AMENDED BOUNDARY WOULD BE OF A TCMU. IN TERMS OF JUSTIFICATION, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS DEMAND FOR A VIBRANT MIXED-USE COMMUNITY SPACE. THERE IS LIMITED VACANT PARCELS LEFT WITH ANY TOWN CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT.

IN A SMALL SUPPLY OF MIXED-USE TOWN CENTER OPPORTUNITIES LOOKING AT THIS FROM A MORE HOLISTIC PERSPECTIVE THROUGHOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE ARE PRIMARILY SUBURBAN, BUT THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY WANT TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF LIVING LIFESTYLE. THERE IS A GREATER DIVERSITY OF DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS AND GREATER POSSIBILITY TO DEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MARKET AND WHAT WE ARE GETTING HERE WITH IS IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NONRESIDENTIAL FOR EITHER OF THESE PIECES OF PROPERTY WITHOUT A LAND-USE AMENDMENT, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT A PUD OPTION WHICH IS LIMITED TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN, OF MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP, WHEREAS WITH THE TOWN CENTER, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, AND THAT'S A PUBLIC PROCESS FOR THE ACTUAL SITE PLANNING OF IT, BUT THIS LAND-USE AMENDMENT AND REZONING WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY WOULD SIMPLY BE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE SAME DESIGN REGULATIONS AS THE TOWN CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT. IT OFFERS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.

SO ADDING BOTH PROPERTIES WILL HELP PAY BACK INTO THE CRA BOND. IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, ACTUALLY, MR. ARBIZZANI'S PROPERTY IS IN THE CRA BUT NOT WITH ANY TOWN CENTER DISTRICT. LOOKING AT THE JENSEN'S'S PROPERTY, SOMETHING JUST INTERESTING TO MENTION IS AS PART OF THE REGULATORY PLAN THAT IS AN AMENDMENT ÃNOT AN AMENDMENT BUT SORT OF AN APPENDIX MAP TO THE TOWN CENTER MIXED-USE CONFERENCE OF USE OF PLANNED THERE WERE AREAS DESIGNATED BY THE TYPE OF BUILDING TYPES THEY SHOULD USE WITH ANY TOWN CENTER, ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THE SMALLER .13 ACRE WAS INCLUDED WITH END.

OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE SAME DESIGN REGULATIONS FOR THE SAME OWNER TO EXPAND INTO THAT .13 ACRE LOT. AS FOR PARCEL TWO, MR.

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AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOTELS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE TOWNHOMES RECENTLY APPROVED WERE REALLY JUST DOWN TO ABOUT EIGHT PERCENT OF UNPLANNED LAND SO THERE'S DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SMALL INFILL ADDITION TO THE TOWN CENTER. AND THIS WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE URBAN SPRAWL AND DO QUITE THE OPPOSITE BY USING INFILL AS A MEANS OF CREATING A MORE SEAMLESS DESIGN PATTERN WITH THE REST OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.

DEVELOPMENT WILL RESPECT THE EXISTING NATURAL RESOURCES ALONG THE COAST AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE MORE WITH HOW THAT AFFECTS THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE. AND IT WOULD PROVIDE A WAY TO EFFICIENTLY DEVELOP COMPACTLY THE TOWN CENTER DOES ALLOW FOR A HIGHER FLOOR AREA RATIO THAN SOME OF THE OTHER REZONING OR ZONING OPTIONS, AND THAT REALLY HELPS MEET THAT GOAL OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, MORE COMPACT IN DEVELOPMENT. SO I DID WANT TO TALK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT THE HEIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN WE HEARD ABOUT. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS A FIGURE OF HOW HEIGHT IS DETERMINED FOR THE TOWN CENTER DISTRICT. THIS IS WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE OVERLAY IN VILANO.

BASICALLY, YOU ARE LOOKING AT A MAXIMUM OF 40 FEET OF HEIGHT THAT OCCUPY ABOUT. SO LOOKING AT THESE THREE STORIES. THE REASON WHY IT'S 40 FEET IS THE IDEA IS THAT THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD B-12 FEET.

IN ORDER TO PROMOTE FOOT TRAFFIC FOR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST STORY. EVEN IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A 12 FOOT FIRST-FLOOR MINIMUM.

THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET THAT'S ALLOWABLE DEPENDING ON YOUR ARCHITECTURE TYPE FOR PETE'S ROOFS AND SUCH AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THIS DIVISION OF LINE BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE THIRD FLOOR UPWARDS. THERE ARE THREE BUILDING TYPES WITHIN THE VILANO TOWN CENTER AND SPECIFIC REGULATIONS TO EACH OF THOSE TYPES. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO BE 2 TO 3 STORIES. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE 40 FEET UP OCCUPY A FULL SPACE UP TO THIS LEVEL HERE, THAT'S ONLY A FIVE FOOT DIFFERENT FROM RESIDENTIAL OR OTHER TYPES OF COMMERCIAL HEIGHT MAXIMUM LIMITATIONS FOR ADJACENT ZONINGS.

SO HERE IS THAT REGULATORY PLAN I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

THIS SHOWS THE BUILDING TYPES. HERE IS THE JENSEN'S'S PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE ORIENTED, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE FACING WATER, PORCHES AND CLASSES. IT'S REALLY MEANT TO CREATE AN ACTIVE KIND OF VILLAGE CENTER. IN TERMS OF MIXED-USE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW ZONING DISTRICTS AND FUTURE LAND USE CHOICES THAT ACTUALLY DICTATES A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE AND IT'S ROUGHLY 1/3. YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 PERCENT RETAIL OFFICE, 30 PERCENT RESIDENTIAL, 30 PERCENT HOTEL.

WHAT WE FOUND IS BY GETTING THESE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY AND, THAT WILL NOT AFFECT HITTING A CERTAIN MAXIMUM OF ANY OF THESE FOUR CATEGORIES. THE CIVICS ALREADY BEEN DONE BUT IN TERMS OF BRINGING PROPERTY IN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER BALANCE THIS MIX.

AND HERE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT BUILDOUT IF YOU LOOK INTO THESE PERCENTAGES.

ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION BECAUSE THERE WAS A MENTION OF HOTELS AND HOW THAT WAS MEASURED, WORKING WITH STAFF IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOTEL SPACE ITSELF. SO SOME OF THE HOTELS COULD HAVE RETAIL AND SUCH AND THOSE WOULD BE LOOKED AT SEPARATELY.

AND IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL, I DID WANT TO ADDRESS THERE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED AS PART OF MR. ARBIZZANI'S PEACE, D2.08 ACRES. THIS WOULD EFFECTUATE THE

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AND THAT'S PART OF AN EXCHANGE PROGRAM AND THAT'S WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE VILANO TOWN CENTER. AND SO LOOKING AT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS, PARCEL ONE, WE LOOKED AT 12 HOTEL ROOMS OR EIGHT ROOMS IN 2000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN KIND OF WHERE YOU SEE THIS VOID RIGHT HERE. AND JUST FOR CONCEPTUAL'S, YOU CAN GET A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW THAT COULD WORK.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT EXPANSION COULD HAPPEN AND THEN THE LOT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY COULD SUSTAIN THE 12 OR SO PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

WE ARE LOOKING AT AN EXIT ONTO WHERE THIS ROUNDABOUT IS ALONG ANIME DRIVE BECAUSE WE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THIS AREA THAT THEY WOULD NOT LIKE AN ACCESS POINT DIRECTLY ONTO CORUNNA STREET. AND THERE ÃYOU CAN SEE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE OCCURRING IF IT WERE TO BE REDEVELOPED.

AND MOVING ON TO MR. ARBIZZANI'S PIECE.

THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS YOU COULD DO, BUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IMPACT ANALYSIS WE LOOKED AT ONE SCENARIO WHICH WOULD BE 11,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND 25 HOTEL ROOMS AND ANOTHER SCENARI WITH LESS COMMERCIAL BY 1000 SQUARE FEET AND THEN 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AGAIN, FOR THAT THEORETICAL MAXIMUM TO GET TO THE 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THAT WOULD REQUIRE BUYING OTHER RESIDENTIAL RIGHTS WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AND MOVING THOSE UNITS TO THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THIS GIVES ME AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE.

YOU ARE BUILDING OUT THE URBAN FORUM CLOSE TO THE STREET AND HIDING THE PARKING BEHIND AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE LARGER BUILT STAYS HERE KIND OF FOLLOWING THE SAME BUILDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AS WELL AS THE PROPERTIES AND THEN YOU HAVE PARKING UNDERNEATH HERE. IN THIS CASE, IF YOU REALLY LOOKED AT THEORETICALLY WHAT COULD YOU FIT FOR A MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS KIND OF UNUSUALLY SHAPED, YOU COULD DO PPARKING UNDERNEATH AND THEN HAVE A TWO-STORY SO YOU ARE STILL IN KEEPING WITH THAT 40 FEET OF A VIABLE SPACE. AGAIN, THE OLD PIZZA HUT BUILDING COULD BE REDEVELOPED WHERE YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE STREET KIND OF FILLING OUT THE CENTER SECTION. THIS WOULD NOT BE VIABLE IN ISOLATION WITHOUT COMBINING IT WITH THIS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE PARKING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING AREA, I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT MR. ARBIZZANI'S PIECE FOR JUST A MOMENT.

IN TERMS OF HEIGHT. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL LAND USES TOWARDS THE NORTH, MOST OF THESE ARE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS. YOU CAN SEE THE ONES I'VE OUTLINED HERE AND GET A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

YOU ALSO HAVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, A ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH HOUSE AND WE HAVE THE HAMPTONS CLOSER.

MAGIC BEACH ISN'T QUITE AS TALL.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY AND THE PUBLIX WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS A THREE STORY HEIGHT BUILDINGS THAT WOULD FIT IN WELL I THINK, AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED THIS MONTHS MAXIMUM OCCUPY AMPLE SPACE WILL BE A FIVE FOOT DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE PROVIDED THIS TOW CENTER LAND-USE AMENDMENT CHANGED.

AND THIS GIVES YOU A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

THIS IS LOOKING FROM A HIGHER VIEW NORTH TOWARDS WHERE SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL CONDOS AND VACATION RENTALS ARE LOCATED.

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AND THERE WAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT FORMERLY THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE JENSEN'S PROPERTY SINCE IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED. WE DID HOLD A VOLUNTARY COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN DECEMBER AS PART OF THE MAINSTREAMING MONTHLY MEETING AT THE HAMPTON IN.

AND THIS WAS MOSTLY JUST TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AS I MENTIONED, WE DID RECEIVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A SUMMARY HEIGHT WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT DENSITY WHICH EXPLAINED WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT'S GOING TO GO WITH THIS LAND-USE REQUEST AND THEN TRAFFIC AND EVACUATION WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS MENTIONED AND ONE OF THE LETTERS IN PERMEABILITY AND DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT.I WILL GET INTO THAT WITH THE IMPACT ANALYSIS. THE GOOD NEWS IS THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY BUILT AND THESE ARE TWO LOTS THAT WOULD BE UNTIL OPPORTUNITIES AND THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT IMPROVEMENTS TO ITS KNOWN AS THE PEANUT ALONG MAIN STREET LEADING TO VILANO BRIDGE. WIRE STREETS AND LONGER KEYS NOW FOR TRAFFIC. LOOKED AT LENGTH 142 AND THIS IS ALONG A1A. AND THAT SERVICE VOLUME IS CURRENTLY AT A RATE OF 56 PERCENT.

THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC IS 1086 TRIPS.

AND THEN THE COMMITTED PEAK HOUR TO 12:15.

LINK 141 THIS WOULD BE VILANO ROAD IS AT 93.1 PERCENT UTILIZATION AND THEN THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC IS 12:64 WITH A COMMITTED PEAK HOUR OF 1489. WE LOOKED AT WITH THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC OPTION WOULD BE. THAT WOULD EQUATE TO 69.3 TRIPS AND THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE APPROVED VOLUME 4.42 AND LINK 141. IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE, THERE IS A MASTER FOR MIXED USE AND IS DESIGNED ÃWHEN THAT'S ISR 275.

AND THEN THE PERCENTAGES BASED ON THESE CALCULATIONS THAT WERE DONE BY REYNOLDS, SMITH AND HILLS, A LARGE PACKET THAT WAS PART OF THE SUPPORT PACKAGE. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THE JENSEN'S'S PIECE OF PROPERTY THE 1.3 ACRES WAS INCLUDED WITHIN THE ORIGINAL DRAINAGE ANALYSIS AND YOU COULD SEE THAT HERE IN THE DOTTED LINE.

THIS WOULD BE THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY.

I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROLLING AND HOW DEVELOPMENT WOULD WORK FOR THESE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY GIVEN WHERE THEY ARE SITUATED.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS LINE WAS DEVELOPED.

FOR THE VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS SEAWARD OF THE CCC L. AND THEN FOR THE JENSEN'S'S PROPERTY ALL OF IT IS THE CCC L. OBVIOUSLY AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.

WE SEE A NATIONAL ENDING POINT WHERE THEY HAVE FOUND LIMITS OF WHERE THEY CAN BUILD AND THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA FOR THIS VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY. I AM NOT AN ENGINEER BUT WITH MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THIS PROCESS WOULD WORK MOVING FORWARD, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR BUILDING. AND ESSENTIALLY, THE DUNE IS THAT NATURAL BARRIER YOU CAN'T IMPACT THE DUNE OR BUILD ON IT.

ASIDE FROM THE DUNE, YOU CAN'T DO LARGE GRADING EXERCISES OR FULL WITHIN THE AREA. SO THE IDEA WOULD BE FOR MR. ARBIZZANI'S PIECE OF PROPERTY IS IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE THE STRUCTURE FURTHEST EAST KIND OF

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ALSO, THE BUILDING UNDERNEATH WOULD BE PARKING AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE IS AN ESTIMATED FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION REQUIREMENT OF 17 FEET FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TOO NOT BUILD ENCLOSED SPACE WITHIN NOT OTHER THAN COVERED PARKING AREAS AND THEN HAVING TO BREAK AWAY WALLS, PERHAPS, ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET ALL OF THOSE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS LATER DOWN THE ROAD.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ANY DESIGN IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REVIEW BOARD AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF AND THEN THE REQUIRED PERMITS WOULD HAVE TO BE SECURED FROM DEP AS WELL.

AS PART OF OUR IMPACT WE SAW WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY LETTER CONFIRMING THERE'S CAPACITY FOR NORTH BEACH UTILITIES. AND WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF WHAT THOSE USES WOULD BE JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF IMPACT ANALYSIS AND PLANNING, AND WE ALSO DID THE SAME FOR SOLID WASTE FOR BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES.

SO THIS REQUEST, AGAIN, AS A SUMMARY WOULD BE TOO BRING BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES INTO THE TOWNCENTER MIXED-USE DISTRICT TO THE LAND USE ZONING APPLICATIONS AND THE PROPERTIES ARE WITHIN A VIBRANT BEACH VILLAGE CENTER AND WE WANT TO MAKE THE MOST OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES TO MAKE THE TOWNCENTER BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY.AND AS I MENTIONED BY BRINGING THE PROPERTIES INTO THIS UNIQUE DISTRICT, THEY WOULD HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP USING AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE MARKET WHILE BALANCING THOSE USES, AS YOU SAW, REGULATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE IMPACT ANALYSIS FOUND THAT ADDING THE PROPERTIES IN THE TOWNCENTER DISTRICT WOULD NOT OVEREXTEND THIS EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WHILE WE BELIEVE THE COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS IS SIMILAR FOR BOTH, AS I MENTIONED, THE BOARD HAS FLEXIBILITY AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO PIECE THEM APART OR ANALYZE THEM SEPARATELY. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. SPEAK TO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER: NO, SIR, I DO NOT.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: WITH THAT BEING SAID ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS SUPPORT STAFF? LET'S MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON CONNECTS BEFORE WE WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER TO AND NUMBER THREE.

WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

JUST KNOCK THEM OUT OF THE WAY. THEY ARE JUST HOLDING UP YOUR

AREA. >>

FROM MIC] >> I WANT TO THANK YOU.

SINCE I'VE BEEN HONORING THE STAY-AT-HOME RULES, I AM VIVIAN BROWN AND I WILL REINTRODUCE MYSELF.

AT THIS TIME, I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AS WELL AS ME PERSONALLY. I AM 190 VILANO RD. FOR MY OFFICE AND 30 BEACH COME AWAY FROM MY HOME AND I'M PRESIDENT OF MAIN STREET WHICH STARTED OUT AS THE VILANO BEACH REDEVELOPMENT GROUP BACK IN 1999 WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME APPROVED OUR VISIONING, WHICH WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE 80 PERCENT THERE IS A WALKABLE, LIVABLE, REDEVELOPED COMMUNITY THAT STARTED OUT AS A BLIGHTED AREA, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT OUR CRA. I AM GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE PODIUM. THIS IS OUR BOARD'S RESOLUTION THAT THIS ÃSASHA HAS MY BACK Ã PTHIS IS A RESOLUTION PASSED SUPPORTING BOTH OF THESE CHANGES IN THE TOWNCENTER.

THIS IS A BIG D. LOTS OF PEOPLE SAY WHY DID YOU INCLUDE THIS TO START WITH? WELL, IN 1999, 2000, WHEN THEY WERE CHANGING TO MIXED-USE TOWNCENTER, THE COUNTY ÃAND I WAS THERE, SASHA WAS THERE, SOME OF US WAS THERE, THEY TOOK

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SO IF YOU COMPARED ZONING TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S THE SAME OUTLINE. SO THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

WE FEEL LIKE IT'S NEEDED. WE TOOK ABOUT 300 FEET OUT OF TAX ROLES FOR OUR CRA AND THE COUNTY.

WE WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OCEANFRONT PARK, AND THAT'S A ONCE IN A LIFETIME ABILITY TO HAVE BACK.

THIS 225 FEET ON THE OCEANFRONT PARCEL WILL HELP US GET SOME OF THE USE ANTI- TAX ROLLBACK. WE SUPPORT THE JENSEN'S.

THEY SHOULD BE SMALL BUSINESS OF THE YEAR, OF THE DECADE, FOR ALL OF THEIR WORK, AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD ADDITION THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU SOME GOOD NEWS. WE ARE HAVING AIRSTREAM ROLE WILL HAVE TO RETAILS COMING UP WITH THE NEED TTWO WEEKS.

WE HAVE BEEN ZOOMING, GO TO MEETINGS, AND TALKING AND EMAILING. DON'T WORRY ABOUT US NOT WORKING THE LAST THREE MONTHS. WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON AND WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. AND IF I HAVE ONE EXTRA MINUTE, I THINK WE ARE WELL-POSITIONED TO COME OUT OF THE VIRUS PANDEMIC AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MAYBE DOUBLING OUR 10 PERCENT GROWTH WITH EDDIE CREAMER'S REPORT BECAUSE OF THE HOTELS COMING UP. ONE SECOND TO THINK YOU PERSONALLY FOR THE STREET RENAMING.

THIS IS A LIFETIME HONOR AND IT'S NOT RETIREMENT LIKE LINDA.

SHE IS WONDERFUL. IT'S A CALL TO SERVICE TO FINISH UP OUR VISIONING. SO THANK YOU AND WE SUPPORT

BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS. >> I AM SASHA MARTIN, 133 COASTAL HOLLOW CIRCLE. AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AT THE NORTH COASTAL QUARTER DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND THE NORTH SHORE ASSOCIATION FOR MANY YEARS.

THE ADDING OF TWO ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES TO THE VILANO BEACH TOWNCENTER WILL BE COMPATIBLE AND COMPLEMENTARY TO THE TOWNCENTER AS A MIXED-USE DESIGNATION WHICH HAS BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PPOSSIBILITIES.

THEY WOULD NOW BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE A BREADTH OF USES AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC SUCH AS JUST RESIDENTIAL USE.

IN ADDITION, THESE PROPERTIES WILL COME UNDER THE REQUIRED REVIEWED JURISDICTION ON AN ONGOING BASIS OF THE NORTH COASTAL QUARTER DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WHICH HAS CITIZEN INPUT FOR ANY PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION EXTERIOR RENOVATION ESCAPING BUFFERS AND SIGNAGE. UNDER THE TOWNCENTER.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN APPROVING THIS

ITEM. >> THANK YOU, MELISSA.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> NOT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BUT IF I MAY INJECT ÃMR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

>> JUST FOR ONE CLARIFICATION. I THINK EARLIER IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSION.

OF COURSE THERE IS ONE PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR A SMALL-SCALE COMPLEMENT IN A SEPARATE ORDINANCE FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING. EARLIER IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THERE WAS CONSIDERATION OF SORT OF TWO ORDINANCES. ONE FOR EACH PROPERTY FOR THIS SMALL-SCALE N(2) ORDINANCES IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE THEY ARE NOT BROKEN OUT THAT WAY IT'S ONE FOR THE SMALL-SCALE ONE FOR THE REZONING. SHOULD THE BOARD DECIDE TO BREAK THOSE DONE THAT COULD BE DONE.

THERE SHOULD BE ONE FOR EACH OF THOSE AGENDA ITEMS.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. >> SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN

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THE FOUR BEING AT 17 FEET. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.E WILL GET A PLAN THAT WILL BE REVIEWED AND THAT HEIGHT WILL GET REVIEWED AT THAT TIME. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT I BELIEVE IS

40 FEET. >> AS THAT FROM THE FEMA STARTING POINT, OR IS THAT FROM GROUND LEVEL DOWN.

>> IT'S

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I STARTED THERE. PREPARING NEW CONSTRUCTION TO OLD CONSTRUCTION BASED ON THAT LINE IS NOT NECESSARILY APPLICABLE.

IT'S LIKE COMPARING THE BUILDING YOU WANT TO BUILD TODAY TO A BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT 20 YEARS AGO? BUILDING CODES HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FOR GOOD REASON BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH WEATHER AND OTHER CONDITIONS. PORPOISE POINT WAS DESIGNED

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AND YET WE STILL HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE RESIDENCE'S PROPERTY AND PUBLIC PROPERTY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. THAT SANDBAR AT THE END COMES AND GOES PRACTICALLY IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY NOR'EASTER. AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TO PREPARE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY AS A RESULT OF ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN BACK THEN. I BELIEVE IT WILL BE BUILT STRONG.

IT WILL BE BUILT TALL. BUILDING IN AN AREA WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY STILL FIGHTING TO GET EACH BEHIND OTHER PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY IN THIS AREA DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.

I NEED YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY WITH TODAY'S WEATHER PATTERNS AND THE STRUGGLES WE ARE HAVING IN PROTECTING THOSE PROPERTIES HOW ALLOWING ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT CHANGING THIS LAND-USE, CHANGING THIS ZONING MAKES SENSE FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF WELFARE OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE OWNING OR USING THIS PROPERTY.

THE PAST IS IN THE PAST. WE CAN'T STOP WHAT'S THERE BUT I'M NOT GOING TO COMPARE WHAT YOU WANT TO BUILD TO WHAT WAS REBUILT BASED ON THE STRUGGLES YOU ARE HAVING MAINTAINING US

PROPERTIES. >> UNDERSTOOD. I THINK WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS IN YOUR OFFICE, WHETHER YOU AT THIS INTO THE TOWN CENTER OR NOT, IT'S STILL HAS DEVELOPENT RIGHTS AND THEY CAN STILL BUILD THE BUILDING ON IT. THEY CAN BUILD A SIMILAR BUILDING AND YOU CAN DO THE 30 FOOT HEIGHT AND YOU CAN DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

YOU CAN DO COMMERCIAL IF YOU WANTED TO DO A PLANT UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S NOT ÃWE FELT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE IT AS PART OF OUR OVERALL TOWN CENTER RATHER THAN THE LAGGING THING KIND OF OUT. WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH THE REST OF THOSE. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THOSE UNITS HAD BECOME PART OF IT AS WELL.

IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THOSE, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO REBUILD UNDER ALL THE NEW GUIDELINES AND REGULATIONS. AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ARE ADDING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN THE ASSETS THAT THEY CAN DO THE TOWN CENTER THINGS, BUT THEY ARE STILL BOUND BY THE TOWN CENTER REQUIREMENTS. BUT YOU ARE NOT CHANGING THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP THE

PROPERTY IN BOTH SITUATIONS. >> I APPRECIATE THE REMINDER AND I DO SUPPORT THE HARMONY THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CREATE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. VILANO MINK STREET IS LOOKING BEAUTIFUL. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING BUT WITH PERSISTENCE AND PATIENCE IT'S PAYING OFF AND I REALLY LIKE WHAT I SEE AND THE FACT THAT IT'S BEING EMBRACED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE FOR DECADES IF NOT GENERATIONS. SO I SIMPLY AM WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS CONSTRUCTED SOME OTHER COMMISSION FROM NOW DOESN'T SAY WHAT WERE THEY THINKING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD IN TRYING TO PROTECT THE GREAT IDEA WITHOUT

ALL OF THESE BEING CONSIDERED. >> AGAIN, I THINK SHANNON MENTIONED WE ARE BOUND BY ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS THE DEP PASSES OR EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE BEACHES, SO WHETHER IT'S IN THE TOWN CENTER OR NOT, IT WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. YOU KNOW, AND UNTIL THERE IS CHANGES IN LEGISLATION.

IF THERE WERE CHANGES IN LEGISLATION, IT WOULD CERTAINLY CHANGE WHAT WOULD BE BUILT ON THESE, BUT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THEM AS PART OF THE TOWN CENTER AND STILL HAVE THEM.

AND I THINK THE CONNECTION BETWEEN JOHN'S CASE, THE OLD PIZZA HUT ON THE CORNER AND THE CONNECTION TO THAT TICKET AT THAT FRONTAGE ALONG WHEN YOU COME INTO THE TOWN CENTER, TO ME IT KIND OF MADE THAT SITE SORT OF PART OF THE WHOLE THING OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT WHEN WE WORK WORKING ON IT AND I WAS ALSO WITH THAT GROUP FOR 10 YEARS AS WELL.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT SO AS THOSE HOUSES WERE THINGS REDEVELOPED OR DID THOSE THINGS

THAT THEY DID THAT IN ESSENCE OF THE TOWN CENTER. >> ITEM NUMBER TWO I BELIEVE IS THE 1/10 OF AN ACRE AND I WAS GOING TO MOVE OUT BEFORE WE GOT TO ITEM 3 WHICH WAS TWO ACRES.

>> ITEM 2 IS THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE THREE IS THE REZONING.

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IF YOU WISH TO SEPARATE THOSE I THINK >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ÃWHAT I'M WORKING FROM A BOOK THAT HAS ITEM NUMBER TWO HAS A MOTION AND ITEM NUMBER THREE HAS A MOTION. I AM GOING TO MOVE BOTH ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF THAT'S

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION WHEN I GET TO IT BUT FIRST I WANT TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND HOPEFULLY COMMISSIONER JOHN'S I HOPE I CAN GIVE YOU THIS PROPOSAL PARTICULARLY THE TWO ACRES. IF YOU PUT FDC CCL AREA OVERHEAD IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP RIGHT OF THE AERIAL, YOU WILL SEE THE LINE OF BUSINESSES AND HOMES THAT GO FORWARD OF THE CCC L THAT WE ARE BUILDING YOU SAID COMMISSIONER JOHN'S PROBABLY PRIOR TO THE CCC L BEING ADOPTED I GUESS IS MY MEMORY IS THE CCC L AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS ADOPTED IN THE EARLY THE REASON BEING THAT OPENING THERE THAT BEAR SPACE CREATES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT WHEN THE STORM SURGE COMES IN THAT THEY BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE IS A HUGE PROBLEM. IF A FUTURE DEVELOPER DEVELOPS A STRUCTURE AND FEELS THAT IN AND HE WILL HAVE TO MOVE ME ALL OF THE NECESSARY CCC L STRINGENT CONDITIONS COULD WITHSTAND A MAJOR STORM ÃSTORM SURGE, THEN IT'S MY OPINION AND THE REASON I WAS GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS IS IN MY OPINION THIS WILL BE MORE OF A BENEFIT THAN A NEGATIVE FOR US AND AN ENTITY AS A COUNTY. IF THERE IS DAMAGE TO ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG THERE, THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. SOMEONE COULD SAY IN 10 OR 15 YEARS, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.

I WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD ENTIRE KNOWING WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IT WILL BE MORE THAN A PLUS OR A NINE MINUS IT'S BUILT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CCCL CONDITIONS. THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE. SPEECH OF COMMISSIONER, IF YOU

WANT TO PROCEED, I WILL ENTERTAIN Ã >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I'M GOING TO START WITH WHAT I CALL ITEM TO NUMB IF I MAY. AND LET ME SAY BEST.

I DON'T KNOW IF I NEEDED TO MENTION UNDER EX PARTE ECAUSE I WASN'T MEETING WITH ANYONE I DID TAKE A SITE MONDAY AFTERNOON. ALL OF US HAVE DRIVEN BY DASHED DOWN THE STREET HUNDREDS OF TIMES, IF NOT MORE, BUT I'VE NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY AS YOU GO CLOSER TO THE OCEAN AND THEN GO PAST THE MAGIC BEACH HOTEL AND TO THE TOWNHOUSES IN ST. AUGUSTINE, AND I LOOKED AT THAT AND I COULD ENVISION A SIMILAR TYPE OF PROPERTY. IT MADE SENSE, SO I WAS COMFORTED THAT THIS WOULD FIT IN NICELY TO WHAT IS SORT OF A ÃLET'S JUST CALL IT AN ECLECTIC SETTING OF MAIN STREET. IT'S PROBABLY TO LOOK IN THE DICTIONARY AND SEE A PICTURE OF VILANO IF IT WAS ECLECTIC. ANYWAY, I AM PREPARED TO MOVE TO AN ACT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 ÃSEVEN APPROVING CPA VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER ADDITION OF TWO CORUNNA STREET AND 2806

COASTAL HWY. BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER: SACCA.

>> COMMISSIONER SMIT: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DER DISCUSSION? LEGAL?

>> I DID WANT CLARIFY AND I THINK THE MOTION ADDRESSES SES THIS THIS MOTION IS FOR THE SMALL SCALED COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. FOR BOTH PROPERTIES.

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INCLUDING I THINK THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS. DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD.

THE ONE THING I WOULD WANT TO POINT OUT. IT WOULD BE MY ADVICE.

NOT TO CONSIDER THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON ITEM 2 AND IF ITEM 2 PASSES FOR ITEM 3.

I WILL SAY IT'S MY INTENT TO ADDRESS THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL IMPROVE

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT HAVING THIS DEVELOPMENT FILLS A GAP IN THAT AREA AND I APPRECIATE MS. TAYLOR'S REMINDING ME SO MANY VIRTUAL MEETINGS IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS. SO I DO FEEL MORE CONFIDENT AND SUPPORTING THIS BASED ON

INFORMATION PROVIDED TODAY >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION CANNOT SEE A NON-WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I MOVE ITEM 3 AT THIS POINT MOTION TO AN ACT ORDINANCE 2020 Ã28 APPROVING REASON 2020 Ã04 VILANO BEACH TOWN CENTER ADDITION OF TWO CORUNNA STREET AND 2806 COASTAL HWY. SUBJECT

TO FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND >> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, ANY DISCUSSION? WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

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>> GOOD MORNING. GAIL OLIVER DIRECTOR OF LAND MANAGEMENT DECISIONS DEPARTMENT THE ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION IS ENTERING INTO A TRANSFER AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR ACCEPTANCE OF A PORTION OF THE SHANDS BRIDGE FOR USE AS A RECREATIONAL FISHING PIER. DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND

RECREATION AND KATIE DIAZ Ã >> HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE. IF EVERYBODY CAN MOVE OUT WE ARE TRYING TO CONTINUE ON. I'M TRYING TO HEAR WHAT SHE SAYING.

>> DOCTOR PATEL DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND KATIE ARE HERE WITH ME TO PRESENT THE RESPECTIVE PARTS OF THIS PROJECT. WE ALSO HAVE DAVID CONRAD WITH ATKINS NORTH AMERICA STANDING BY VIA ZOOM AND WE HAVE JAMIE'S DRAGGERS WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION STANDING BY. THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY ON FEBRUARY 8 OF 2018 INQUIRING THE COUNTIES DESIRE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF A PORTION OF THE EXISTING SHANDS BRIDGE ONCE THE NEW FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY BRIDGE IS COMPLETED. ON AUGUST 17 OF 2018, THE BOARD ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION 2018 Ã 237 PROVIDING NOTICE TO FDO T THAT THE COUNTIES INITIAL INTEREST IN ACCEPTING APPROXIMATELY 188 ÃOF THE EXISTING BRIDGE.

THIS TRANSFER AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.

CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START ON A BRIDGE IN THE FALL OF 2021 AND THE TRANSFER WOULD NOT OCCUR UNTIL THE NEW BRIDGE IS COMPLETE IN APPROXIMATELY 2027.

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THE CLAY COUNTY SIDE OF THE PIER IS PROPOSED AT 670 FEET AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SIDE IS AT 864 FEET. THE ANNUAL OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FOR PARKS AND RACK IS ESTIMATED AT 50,000 ANNUALLY WHICH INCLUDES MOWING, TRASH PICKUP, PORTABLE RESTROOM AND TYPICAL PARK UPKEEP. THE ROAD AND BRIDGE MAINTENANCE IS ESTIMATED AT 9000 ANNUALLY AND THIS INCLUDES PAYMENT, SHOULDER REPAIR, ROADSIDE MOWING AND TRIMMING FOR THOSE PORTIONS OF WHAT WOULD BE THE FORMER STATE ROUTE 16THAT WOULD BECOME LOCAL ROADS ONCE THE NEW BRIDGE IS COMPLETED. THE FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE ITSELF WERE DERIVED FROM THE APPLICANT'S REPORT THEY WOULD INCLUDE ONLY THE PIER STRUCTURE AND IS ESTIMATED AT $105,000 ANNUALLY. THERE WOULD BE A PURE INSPECTION EVERY TWO YEARS FOR A TOTAL COST OF 50,000 SO IT'S BEEN BROKE OUT AND IT WOULD BE 25,000 PER YEAR AND THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST OF IT ANNUALLY IS $154,000.

THE AREA SHOWN IN PURPLE ON THIS MAP WOULD BE THE AREA OF TRANSFER OF THE FORMER STATE ROUTE 16 ROADS THAT WE HAD BECOME LOCAL ROADS. THIS MAP SHOWS THE CUL-DE-SAC IN THE 20 PARKING SPACES AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT DOT PLANS TO MAKE PRIOR TO TRANSFER.

THERE WAS ÃAS AUTHORIZED BY THE BOARD OF BRIDGE INSPECTION REPORT THAT WAS COMPLETED BY ATKINS, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA MATERIAL AND THE REPORT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY FACILITIES MAINTENANCE AND IT WAS NOTED THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR APPROXIMATELY 664,000 IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT COULD NEED ATTENTION AT THE TIME OF TRANSFER.

STAFF WOULD DEFER TO ATKINS TO ELABORATE FURTHER ON THEIR FINDINGS AND FOR FDO T FOR THEIR ADDITIONAL CONCLUSION OF THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AERIAL VIEW OF WHAT EXISTS TODAY, AND IT DOES SHOW THE LOCAL ROADS THAT FEED OFF OF EXISTING STATE ROUTE 16. THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LENGTH OF THE 864 FEET AND THE WATER DEPTHS. THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP THAT SHOWS BOTH THE CLAY AND ST.

JOHNS SIDE.72 ON CLAY SIDE AND 864 FEET PROPOSED ON THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SIDE.

STAFF HAS PROVIDED A CHART WITH ALTERNATIVE LINKS SHOULD YOU HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND ALSO INCLUDED ARE THE EXISTING LINKS FOR OTHER PEERS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

AND THIS MAP SHOWS AN OVERVIEW OF THE RIVER ACCESS THAT WE HAVE IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTY. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN GO INTO QUESTIONS FOR COUNTY STAFF

ATKINS AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. >> DOES NOT CONCLUDE YOUR

REPORT? >> THAT DOES. >> DID YOU SAY WE HAVE SOMEONE ON ZOOM? THERE WE GO. I SEE NOW.

>> THANK YOU FOR CALLING NORTH ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FELLOWS THAT ARE NOW INSTANTANEOUSLY BEFORE US ON ZOOM? I SEE NONE AT THIS POINT. I WILL SLIP OVER HERE AND WE WILL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANYONE ON THE PHONE?

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>> THAT INCLUDES THE ENTIRE ROAD SEGMENTS FOR THE LOCAL ROADS.

>> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE MORE HERE. I DON'T REMEMBER.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. >> I WENT TO GIVE MR. PATEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BECAUSE I'M SENSITIVE TO SAYING WE WILL TAKE THIS, WE ALL KNOW WE NEED IT. THERE'S NO ARGUMENT OVER THAT. PARKS AND WRECKED DEPARTMENT.

THEY ARE ACQUIRING THESE ADDITIONAL ANNUAL EXPERIENCES AND PROBABLY OVER HALF A MILLION A POTENTIAL EXPENSE OVER THE TIME OF TRANSFER. GOOD LUCK.

MY PERSPECTIVE IS THE ACQUISITION IS A PART WE COULDN'T BY THE SWORD FOR 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT BUT THEN AGAIN WE WOULD ALSO NOT HAPPY MAINTENANCE OF A BRIDGE AT THIS

AGE AND THAT SAME TIME AS WELL. >> THINK IF YOU'RE STUCK PATEL DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND I HAVE THOUGHTS HERE ON THE FINDING AND INFORMATION WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WILL BE HELPFUL IN MAKING THIS DECISION. I HAVE FIVE OPTIONS LAID OUT IN TERMS OF FUNDING THIS IN THE FUTURE AS WE GO FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY A FEW YEARS AFTER.

FIRST ONE IS UTILIZE PROPERTY AND SALES TAX REVENUES. THIS STRATEGY WOULD REQUIRE REVENUE GROWTH AND IT BENEFITS ALL TAXPAYERS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY THROUGH IMPROVIG RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

UTILIZE TDC FUNDING THIS STRATEGY IS THE PHILOSOPHY THAT APPEARS TOWARDS ASSET.

ANNUAL EXPENSE OF 154,000 WOULD REQUIRE DAILY FEE OF $422 COLLECTION FOR COMPARISON THE ST. AUGUSTINE PIER [INDISCERNIBLE] SO GIVEN THAT LEVEL IT WILL APPEAR UNLIKELY THE FEE COLLECTION AT CURRENT LEVELS WILL ÃWE HOPE TO PROMOTE THESE IDEAS EXISTING PARK. ANNUAL SPONSORSHIPS WILL PROBABLY NOT MEET THE ENTIRE MAINTENANCE AS WELL. IT WILL PROVIDE RECOGNITION FOR ITS OWNER WILL PROBABLY NEED TO BE COMBINED WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE OTHER STRATEGIES AND FIFTH AND FINALLY A COMBINATION OF THE ABOVE IT WILL PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT A COMBINATION OR ALL OF SOME OF THESE OPTIONS ABOVE. AND I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THAT AND LET ME SHARE JUST A FEW OTHER THOUGHTS HERE WITH YOU TOO.

ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT GROWING THE PARKS SYSTEM IS LOOKING AT FUTURE TRENDS. IS THERE A DEMAND FOR THE ACTIVITIES? IS IT GROWING? WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD. THIS IS A REPORT THAT PUT OUT BY THE OUTDOOR INDUSTRY THROUGH THEIR FOUNDATION OF RESEARCH, SO THIS IS THE NATIONAL TREND RIGHT NOW. THE NUMBER ONE OUT BETTER. NUMBER TWO OUTDOOR ACTIVITY IS FISHING, SALTWATER AND FLYFISHING IS THE NUMBER TWO ACTIVITY.

AND ALSO, I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE YOUTH TRENDS, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE OTHER FOLKS IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY ARE. DO WE HAVE GROWTH THERE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE? THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS REPORT IS IT LOOKS AT YOUTH FROM 6 TO 17 AND YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S THE NUMBER TWO ACTIVITY AMONG THAT AGE GROUP. SO THAT INDICATES A NICE FUTURE FOR FISHING. AND THEN MOVING UP A LITTLE HIGHER YOUNG ADULTS 18 TO 24 WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE GENERATIONS COMING UP. STILL IN THE TOP FIVE ON THAT LIST AS WELL. SO SOME GOOD TRENDS THERE IN TERMS OF THE NATIONAL TREND IS LOOKING AND FISHING IN FLORIDA LOCALLY WE HAVE A HIGHER INPUT AND I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE NATIONAL TREND WHEN YOU THINK OF TOURETTE'S, FOOD FOLKS LIVING IN THE AREA WHAT DOES THAT PROVIDE FOR US AND THEN FINALLY A REPORT DONE BY THE SPORTFISHING ASSOCIATION HERE, ECONOMIC IMPACT, AND THIS WAS FOR CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT FOR SO KIND OF SAINT AUGUSTINE THROUGH JACKSONVILLE. 116,000 ANGLERS IN THE DISTRICT SPENT $222 MILLION WHICH AT

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EXPENSE. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I WANTED TO ADD I HAVEN'T SAID THIS TO YOU BECAUSE I DID NOT GET IT UNTIL LAST NIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT REPORT YOU

JUST SHOW ON ECONOMIC >> THEY INCREASE FISHING TRIPS AND MARINE ANGLER EXPEDITIONS OF FISHING WAS 4.3 BILLION ESTIMATED IN 2016 AND UP 10.5 BILLION NATIONWIDE.

I'M SCARED OF THE CONDITION WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY NICE FACILITIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I AM CONCERNED IN THE FUTURE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE REPAIRS WILL BE TAKEN SHOULD [INDISCERNIBLE] WE WILL NOT HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN IN THE SHORT TIME.

THEY CAN IMPACT FEES FOR USE FOR THE FIRST YEAR AROUND. THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT FACILITY. AND THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. I WANT TO SHARE THOSE NUMBERS.

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEND IT OUT. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS: WELL IT'S NO REFLECTION ON THE DOT, WE ÃAS I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WITH ANTICIPATION OF THESE FUNDING SOURCES BEING AVAILABLE WITH 1.2 BILLION BEING PROVIDED. WE DON'T KNOW SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW WHAT OUR ECONOMY WILL LOOK LIKE. DOT AND OTHER GOVERNMENT OR IN MANY WAYS FLUSHED WITH CASH COMPARED TO 12 YEARS AGO. IT'S ALL RELATIVELY SPEAKING. SO ÃAND IT GOES BACK TO OTHER COMMITMENTS WE HAVE RECEIVED OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN GOOD FAITH.

WE MAKE DECISIONS, TO UNDERSTAND FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THAT WE CAN'T MAKE THIS CONTINGENT ÃONCE THERE IS A COMMITMENT, THE MAINTENANCE ASSET DROPS DRAMATICALLY ONCE YOU KNOW THAT [INDISCERNIBLE] AND I'M NOT REFLECTING ON THE DOT LOCALLY, IT'S JUST WHAT ONE IT'S HUMAN NATURE AND TO IS VERY HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED. I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT A COMMISSION SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW TO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T LOOK BACK ON AND SAY WE DID THE BEST WE COULD. JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ITEM TO SAY WE ENSURE THAT WE ARE NOT SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR HAVING TO PUT ON AN UNEXPECTED EXPENSE TO OUR TAXPAYERS, THE USERS OF THE FACILITIES. I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE NEEDED AND WE WANTED.

THAT TIME AND NOT CASH FLOW POTENTIAL. SHARED COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S CONCERNS. I AM IN FAVOR OF IT WITH WHAT I KNOW TO DATE.

BASED ON YOUR INCREDIBLE IMPROVEMENTS OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IN A SHORT TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE, CONFIDENT THINGS WILL CONTINUE, WE JUST HAD THE RETIREMENT OF LINDA WITH HER ORGANIZATION AND HOW WELL THEY HAVE MANAGED MULTIPLE CATASTROPHIC EVENTS AND MINIMIZE THE IMPACT. I'M LOOKING TO PARKS AND RECREATION TO DO THE SAME THING. WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT WE HAVE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THE DECISION. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS AN OPTION THAT ONLY WE SELECT FROM THESE FIVE. I WANT PARTICIPATION MATERIALLY FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE FISHING COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE LITERALLY ON THIS STREET AND JUST OFF OF IT IN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IS HOW THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. THAT'S BEEN MY NUMBER ONE QUESTION WHEN SOMEBODY SAID WE NEED. I AGREE, BUT HOW DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT. LET HIM PAY FOR IT. THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT IF YOU WANT IT AND AGREE WE NEED IT. WE CAN'T PASS THAT ON TO SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE. WE NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TODAY FOR HOW WE PROPOSE TO DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS AND I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN DO SO

BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. >> WHO IS REPRESENTING ATKINS ON ZOOM?

>> THIS IS DAVE CONRAD. >> DAVE? CAN WE TURN HIM UP A LITTLE BIT? I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING HIM. CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> YES, SIR. I CAN HEAR YOU WELL. >> I CANNOT HEAR YOU WELL.

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I'M STOPPED UP IN MY RIGHT EAR. CAN YOU TRY IT ONE MORE TIME? >> YES, SIR.

I CAN HEAR YOU WELL. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THAT'S MUCH BETTER.

MR. CONRAD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. IT'S EXPENSIVE AND I ENJOYED READING THROUGH IT BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. ON PAGE 6, I'M GOING TO READ IT AND THEN REFERENCE IT IN TABLE 71. THEY MUST ÃIT'S THE FIFTH PARAGRAPH DOWN. THE MOST CHALLENGING ELEMENTS TO ADDRESS ARE THE UNDERWATER ELEMENTS. THE CATHODIC JACKETING TECHNIQUES FOR PILINGS HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED SUCCESSFULLY THAT IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD RESOLUTION TO THE TILE DAMAGE.

IS THIS UNDERWATER ASSESSMENT, IS IT ANYWHERE REFLECTED IN TABLE 71 AND IF SO WHERE IS

THAT? >> ON TABLE 7.1? >> THAT WOULD BE PAGE NUMBER

37. >> I AM STILL SCROLLING. OKAY.

I AM READING IT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: IS THERE ANYONE ON THAT TABLE WHERE IT WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF ANY KIND POF UNDERWATER MAINTENANCE? WOULD IT BE IN COLUMN REPAIRS

OR ANYWHERE TO BE REFLECTED THERE? >> IT WOULD BE REFLECTED IN PILE REPAIRS. THE SECOND LINE ITEM.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I CAN'T HEAR YOU, MR. CONRAD. >> IN THE TECHNICAL SENSE THE PILES ARE THOSE BELIEVE THE WATER ÃBELOW THE WATER. SO THE ONLY PLACE IT COULD BE

AND THIS WOULD BE THE PILE REPAIR LINE, ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A VERY UNKNOWN IS BELOW THE SURFACE IS THERE.

IS THAT ÃDO YOU THINK THAT'S AN ADEQUATE ASSUMPTION IN REGARD TO ITS COST WOULD BE

REFLECTIVE IN THE PILE REPAIR LINE, THEN? >> CAN YOU RESTATE THAT? SPEECH IT MY QUESTION IS THIS. IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SUBSURFACE MATERIAL.

SOME SUBSURFACE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. TO ME, IT'S UNKNOWN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE COSTS REFLECTED IN THE AMOUNT THAT THAT SUBMERSED PILE COLUMN IS ACTUALLY BEING CONSIDERED. AND IF IT IS, WHERE IS IT IN HERE, AND IS NOT ADEQUATE NUMBER OF DOLLAR AMOUNT TO COVER THOSE POTENTIAL REPAIRS

WHEN WE ÃIF WE WERE TO RECEIVE THIS ITEM, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. >> THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED Ã IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM THE VARIOUS REPORTS RUN BIANNUALLY BY THE DOT AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE REPORTS. I'M NOT ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION FOR CONFIDENTIALITY. YOU COULD REQUEST IT ALSO.

GENERALLY, THE PILES ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE BELOW THE WATER.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE IT'S EXPOSED FROM THE DIVERS REPORT.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY FAIR GIVEN IT'S A SMALL LOCATED AREA ON THE PILES.

I WOULD ALSO OFFER THE COMMENT DON'T GET TOO CARRIED AWAY IN THE ACCURACY.

IN ALL THESE NUMBERS. AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW.

SO HOPEFULLY, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ROUNDED ALL THE THESE NUMBERS TO THE NEAREST $5000.

CERTAINLY NOT TO THE $100 OR $10 LINE. >> IT'S A BALLPARK AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK YOU SUMMED IT UP WELL ON PAGE 7 AND I THINK IT'S PAGE NUMBER SEVEN. SECOND PARAGRAPH DOWN. THE ANSWER TO SEVERAL ECONOMIC QUESTIONS REMAINS ELUSIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY.

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THAT'S ALSO ONE THING THAT IS A LITTLE ÃESPECIALLY FOR ME AND MY POSITION ON THIS AND THE PERCEPTION OF THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE IS THAT THERE ARE SOME ELUSIVE NUMBERS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE COVERED HERE AND THAT'S ONE THAT CAME ACROSS IN MY READING I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN WITH.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS, AND MS. OLIVER, YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.

CLAY COUNTY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACCEPT A PORTION OF THIS BRIDGE AS WELL.

THEY HAVE DONE SO, IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT'S THEIR STATUS?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY VOTED AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING WITHIN THE LAST FEW MINUTES TO ENTER INTO A TRANSFER AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND THAT AGREEMENT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE AGREEMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. WHEN I SAY SIMILAR, JUST A

DIFFERENT COUNTY NAME, DIFFERENT BRIDGE LENGTH >> A LITTLE BIT SHORTER SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING SPOTS? 19 PARKING SPOTS IN A HANDICAP SPOT? VERY SIMILAR IN THAT REGARD. PROBABLY LESS ROAD PERCEPTION AS WELL.

MY QUESTION IS IN REGARD TO THE ROAD PERCEPTION, IF WE TAKE THIS TODAY WE WILL END UP INHERITING A PORTION OF STATE ROAD 16. WHAT IS THE CONDITION SUPPOSED TO BE. IS IT GOING TO BE REPURPOSED? WHAT KIND OF CONDITION WILL IT BE IN. I READ THE MAINTENANCE COST AND IT WAS BELOW.

ONLY WAY FROM 13 DOWN TO THE WATER ITSELF. I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE IN

FAIRLY GOOD SHAPE AT THAT POINT. >> THE $9000 WAS A COST THAT CAME OUT OF THE PUBLIC'S WORKS DEPARTMENT THAT WAS BASED ON SIMILAR ROWS OF SIMILAR CONDITION IN THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY. AS TO WHAT FDO T WILL BE DOING TO THOSE ROADS AND WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS BEFORE THEY TURN THOSE OVER TO US, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. DRIGGERS TO ANSWER THAT

QUESTION WITH DOT >> MR. DRIGGERS, THAT PUTS YOU UP.

>> YES, SIR. I WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GET INPUT FROM CJ AS WELL.

WE GOT OUR DESIGN PARTNERS. I AM ÃMY RECOLLECTION THERE HASN'T BEEN RECOLLECTION THAT LONG AGO THE CONDITION IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. RIGHT NOW THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE SALE AS WELL AS THE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE BRIDGE TO GET PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

IT WILL CONNECT THEM AND THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THAT ONE POINT. $1.3 MILLION COST AND TO MAKE

PRIOR TO THE TRANSFER >> ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, CJ?

>> JAMIE SUMMARIZED IT PRETTY WELL >> I'M HAVING A TERRIBLE TIME HEARING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ME OR THE SYSTEM ITSELF.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> THEY KIND OF JUST THE CLARITY ON THE ROAD. THE COUNTY HAD TO ACCEPT THE ROAD TO THE HOUSES AND ABANDONED STATE ROUTE 17 ONCE THEY BUILT IT?

>> I POSED A QUESTION TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS THAT WAS THE DESIRE FOR US TO ACCEPT IT. THERE IS STATUTE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO AGREE TO MUTUALLY ACCEPT AND I WOULD DEFER TO DOT TO RESPOND IF WE CHOSE NOT TO ACCEPT THE ROAD, WHAT IS THE FALLBACK PLAN, AND HOW DO THEY HANDLE THOSE TYPES

OF SITUATIONS. >> CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT? MR. DRIGGERS?

>> I GUESS THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE DIVISION OF DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS. ONCE THEY ARE SEGMENTED AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THESE WILL SERVE THE PURPOSE AND IT'S MORE IN LINE OF THE VISION OF LOCAL AGENCIES AND MUNICIPALITIES FOR THE PURPOSE AND INTENT. IN FLEXIBILITY LONG-TERM AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROADWAY IS TRANSFERRED TO THE COUNTIES INTEREST AND THEY ARE CONSIDERING FESTIVALS AND ROAD CLOSURES AND THE LONG-TERM IT GIVES THE COUNTY ULTIMATE FLEXIBILITY AND CONTROL AS FAR AS DEFINING INTENT AND PURPOSE IT PUT YOU IN A BETTER PLACE

VERSUS THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> ONE OTHER QUESTION.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT COMMISSIONER SMITH BROUGHT UP THE PYLONS AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT.

IS THERE A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAT BECOMES A FOOT TRAFFIC BRIDGE AS FAR AS THE

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ENGINEERING AND COST? >> I WOULD DEFER Ã >> THIS IS JUST TRAFFIC LOADING

VERSUS A PEDESTRIAN FOOTPRINT. >> YES. MY NAME IS STEVE FOWLER I AM THE STRUCTURE, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND THE ANSWER IS YES. YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.

THE MAINTENANCE OF BRIDGES IS UNDER HEAVY LOADING IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THE FOOT TRAFFIC. IF YOU CAN IMAGINE IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR A 70,000 POUND TRUCK TO TAKE OUT A CHUNK OF CONCRETE OUT OF THE BRIDGE THAN IT IS FOR A 250 POUNDS MAN.

AND SO THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE PSUBSTANTIALLY LESS.

THERE ISN'T AS MUCH INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET AS EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.

SO THE ATKINS SUPPORT IS A GENERAL MAINTENANCE NUMBER ON THE LIGHTER SIDE OF WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED OF THE VEHICULAR BRIDGE. IT'S CONSERVATIVE.

YOU KNOW, BETTER INFORMATION OF WHAT THAT COST MAY BE. REALISTICALLY WITH THESE TYPES OF [INDISCERNIBLE] THE SAME THING WITH THE PILING.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU. >> FOR FURTHER ELIMINATION OF THE POINT, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CHOOSE TO USE THE LOADING CONDITIONS, FOR INSTANCE, THIS ÃTHE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE AT ITS 100TH ANNIVERSARY UNDER PEDESTRIAN LOAD HAD ITS HIGHEST LOAD IT HAD EVER SEEN INCLUDING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IT FLATTENED OUT AT THE MID SPAN. UNDER A FULLY LOADED ENVIRONMENT, NOT THAT THIS IS IN THE ST. JOHNS RIVER THAT YOU WOULD EVER GET TO THAT BUT SHOULDER TO SHOULDER AN ACTUAL REQUIRED FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIRED LOADING, COULD POTENTIALLY BE HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL LOADING. WHETHER YOU EVER SEE THAT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY, BUT YOU MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER IT AS FAR AS WHO WANTS TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT AND WHEN YOU TRANSFER A USE OF A BUILDING MIXED USE FROM ONE CLASS TO ANOTHER CLASS, YOU HAVE TO BE EVALUATED IN ITS NEW CONDITION. NOT THAT YOU WOULD EVER SEE THAT KIND OF LOADING, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, ST. JOHNS RIVER IS NOT THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE. BUT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT AND HELP US IMPROVE THAT PROCESS AND IT DOESN'T ÃITS NEW USE.

SO ANOTHER THING YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IS IN DISTRICT 1 AND DISTRICT 7, THE SUNSHINE SKYWAY BRIDGE AND THE GREER BRIDGE WENT THROUGH A SIMILAR CONCEPT OF TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP AND THEY ARE HAVING A SKYWAY BRIDGE THAT'S CAUSING THAT.

AND YOU ALSO HAD ONE NEAR THE VILANO PEER BRIDGE IN YOUR OWN PERSONAL WOULD HAVE BEEN FROM MIC] AND IF YOU COMPARE THOSE TO THE COSTS AND SEE IF THEY FALL WITHIN YOUR

EXPECTATIONS. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: THANK YOU.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS: THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THIS PORTION OF THE EXISTING STATEMENT WOULD REMAIN A STATEMENT OR BE TURNED OVER.

IN THIS QUESTION MIGHT HELP CLARIFY THAT. DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

THE PLANS I SAW INDICATED A 300 FOOT CLEAR ZONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE NEW ROADWAY.S THAT 300 FOOT CLEAR ZONE A PART OF THE RIGHT AWAY OR OUTSIDE OF THE STATE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE

NEW PROJECT RUNWAY? >> I THINK IT'S PART OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THINK IT'S PART OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY REPEAT THAT? THERE IS VERBIAGE REFERENCES AND THERE'S EXHIBITS TO THE IMPROVEMENTS AND MOSTLY THAT WOULD OBLIGATE THE DEPARTMENT REPEAT THAT, I KNOW I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT I DON'T KNOW Ã

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IF YOU COULD REPEATED, PLEASE. >> YES, SIR. THE AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE YOU FOR EXECUTION, IT REFERENCES THE EXHIBITS THAT PORTRAYED THE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE VERBIAGE, THE DESCRIPTION OF IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THE AGREEMENT AS WELL. IN THEORY, AS FAR AS LEGAL LEVERAGE, IF THE DEPARTMENT DID NOT DELIVER THOSE COMMITMENTS THEY WOULD AVOID THIS AGREEMENT SO THAT WOULD PUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN A PLACE IN A LEGAL BINDING PLACE. WE HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP AND DON'T INTEND TO DO THAT THAT WOULD DRIVE A CERTAINTY FORCE. IT WILL DELIVER SAID

IMPROVEMENT. >> THAT CERTAINTY IS HELPFUL. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PASS THE BATON TO SOME FUTURE COMMISSION NOT HAVING THE CERTAINTIES. THAT'S HELPFUL. I MAKE ÃYOU MAY HAVE SAID IT AND I JUST DID NOT HEAR YOU. BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE NEW BRIDGE RELEVANT TO THE EXISTING PORTION OF THE ROADWAY AND THE PIER OR WHAT WILL BECOME A PIER IT APPEARS TO BE IN THE CLEAR ZONE THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE DESIGN PLANS WHERE THERE IS NO, I GUESS, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED TO BE AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE PURCHASED SOME OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE PAST. IS THAT 300 FOOT WIDE CLEAR ZONE A PART OF THE STATE RIGHT-OF-WAY, OR IS IT REQUIRED BY DOT TO BE A CLEAR ZONE EITHER PRIVATELY OR LOCALLY

OWNED? >> IT WOULD BE A TRANSFER TO THE COUNTY BUT YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS FAR AS A BUFFER ZONE. HE WOULD NOT WANT TO BUILD IN

THE VICINITY OF THE STRUCTURE. >> IT'S NOT A PART OF THE DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY ONCE ALL IS

FINISHED. IN CONSTRUCTED. >> WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE BUFFER. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE EXHIBIT.

THE ONE WITH THE PURPLE ÃTHE PURPLE HIGHLIGHTER THAT WOULD DICTATE THE AREA OF INTENT TO

TRANSFER. >> IT IS A SLIDE. IF WE COULD LOSE THE ZOOM

SCREEN AND GO TO THE SLIDE WITH THE PURPLE. >> THERE WE GO.

IF I MAY POINT OUT, THAT DISTANCE IS 305 FEET. THIS IS 180.

AND WITHOUT A SCALE, THE BRIDGE RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD APPEAR TO BE PERHAPS 400 FEET.

>> TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION OF THE ROADWAY, IT WILL NOT BE IN THE NEW DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

CORRECT >> I WANTED EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

THEY ARE NECESSARY TO ACCESS THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.

WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE COUNTY. THAT CLEAR ZONE IS USUAL AS WELL

>> LET ME POSE A QUESTION BACK TO DOT. THIS IS THE BRIDGE RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND THIS IS THE BRIDGE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

ACCESS TO THE ROAD ON THE NORTH WILL BE UNDER THE FLYOVER. SO I GUESS THOSE TYPE OF DETAILS WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT. BECAUSE A TRANSFER IS WHAT IS IN PURPLE AND THE DOT MAINTAINS ÃWOULD MAINTAIN WHAT I HAVE MARKED HERE AND READ.

>> THE CROSSING OF LOCALLY OWNED VERSUS STATE OWNED ASSETS, ROADWAYS, HAVE BEEN DONE MILLIONS OF TIMES. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE PORTION OF THE ROADWAY ACCESSED WOULD BECOME COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY AND PROGRAMMED INTO OUR BUDGET.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 Ã227 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND FORWARDING A COPY TO DOT, FDO T

FOR APPROVAL AND ACCEPTANCE. >> SECOND >> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU BY A FLIP OF A COIN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THIS POINT I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT. I WILL BEFORE INHERITING THE ROADS, THE PARTS BUT NOT THE STANCE OF THE BRIDGE. I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST IN THE LONG RUN OF THAT

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>> A PASSES 3 TO TWO. MR. CONRAD, MR. HOLLER THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AND THE OTHERS WE NEVER GOT TO REALLY BECOME FAMILIAR WITH BUT THANK YOU FOR DIALING IT AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM. THANK YOU FOR ACTIONS IN THE REPORT I THINK IT WAS THOROUGH AND HELPFUL. YOU HAVE A GREAT AND BLESSED DAY.

STAFF? >> JUST FOR CLARITY SAKE I THINK YOU DRAFTED A MOTION AND SECONDED BY JOHNSON AS WE GO THROUGH THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE FULL 364 FEET? I'M SORRY TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE. I THINK THERE WERE FIVE OPTIONS PRESENTED ON HOW MUCH THE MAINTENANCE WE WOULD TAKE TO THE BRIDGE SO I WANT TO MAKE

SURE WE ARE CLEAR SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION WILL MAKE ABOUT >> I SECONDED IT.

THAT WAS MY Ã >> THE INTENT WAS FOR THE FULL LENGTH

>> THANKS FOR THAT CLARITY. NONETHELESS, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

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WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. WE ARE MOVING A LITTLE SLOWER THAN I THOUGHT WE WERE TODAY BUT WE ÃWHEN WE GET DONE WITH NUMBER FIVE WE REROUTE WILL RECESS 4 AT LEAST A PERIOD OF TIME SO ANYBODY THAT'S WAITING FOR THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG NUMBER FIVE WILL TAKE. I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW LONG WE WILL TAKE A RECESS BUT WE WILL LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE GET THERE. SO JUST FOR A LITTLE PREEMPTIVE IF SOMEBODY WANTED YOU PLAN TO GO OUT AND GET LUNCH, ETC. CHECK WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

MS. TAYLOR? >> GOOD MORNING AGAIN. KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA ST.

>> THIS IS NOT QUASIJUDICIAL. NUMBER SIX WILL BE. ALL RIGHT.

HOLD ON A SECOND. WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT'S GOT SOMETHING HE WOULD LIKE TO

DISCLOSE >> I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS DISCUSSION

>> COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE SORT OF BASIS >> MY DAUGHTER HAS CONTACTED THE OWNER ABOUT BUYING ONE OF THE LOTS. IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND TAKING CARE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. MS. TAYLOR HI THIS IS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST AND I AM WORKING WITH CHRIS FROM MASTER PREP BUILDERS HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY AND SUFFERED QUITE A ACCIDENT RIGHT BEFORE COVID AND HASN'T QUITE GOTTEN BACK TO BEING ABLE TO SIT FOR SOME TIME.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, MASTERCRAFT BUILDER GROUP DID START IN 2011 AND THEY ARE A LOCAL BUSINESS AND THEY BUILT 80 HOMES IN 2019, AND THERE WAS THEREFORE HUNDRED HOME AND THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WHICH I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS JUST A PART OF IT AND RECOGNIZE THAT IT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND DID MEET WITH TERESA BISHOP AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND HE ALSO DELAYED HIS APPLICATION AND WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES THE ONE THAT EVENTUALLY WAS. SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE LOCATION AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE I-95 IS AND FAVOR DYKES ROAD AMINO THE PARK WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE ROAD AND THESE ARE STIPULATED HERE TO SHOW YOU THE TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS.

TOGETHER, THEY MAKE UP 16.48 ACRES.

THE DAVIS PROPERTY IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE AND THAT WOULD BE THESE THREE LOTS AND THOSE WERE DIVIDED AS A FAMILY FARM AND THOSE ARE LEGITIMATELY A FAMILY FARM BUT A FAMILY FARM REQUIRES SOMEONE TO BE WITHIN THE FAMILY TO KEEP THAT DESIGNATION AND HAVE THOSE LEGAL LOTS. IF ONE OF THE LOTS WAS SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WAS NOT A FAMILY MEMBER IN THE FAMILY

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MR. SHEA'S PROPERTY IS A APARTMENT TO THE WEST AND IT'S ONE PARCEL BUT SHOWS ASKED TO. IT WAS ILLEGALLY DIVIDED SO IT'S REALLY ONLY ONE PARCEL. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE SAME NUMBER OF LOTS.

NO INCREASE BUT THAT ONE ACTUALLY DOES NOT EXIST AS YOU.

THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE VARIETY OF SIZES AND YOU GO DOWN TO QUARTER ACRE LOTS TO 1 TO 2 ACRE LOTS ALONG THE CREEK AND UP TO EIGHT ACRE LOTS. THERE'S QUITE A VARIETY IN THE AREA. THE EXISTING LAND USE IS RURAL CYBERCULTURE AND THAT REQUIRES ONE UNIT PER 100 ACRES.

YOU CAN TELL LOOKING AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK WITH THE EXISTING LOTS.

THEY WERE EXISTING PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN.

AND THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL A WHICH ALLOWS FOR UP TO ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

BUT WE ARE PROPOSING AND INCLUDING A TEXT AMENDMENT.

JUST AS A REMINDER, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ALL OF THIS SO I'M GOING TO G OVER IT A LITTLE FASTER.

THIS DID COME TO YOU FOR TRANSMITTAL SINCE IT'S OVER 10 ACRES IS A OPEN COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND CAME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING BEFORE YOU AND THEN YOU TRANSMITTED, CAME BACK AND WE WENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR YOUR VOTE. THE ZONING WILL REMAIN THE SAME OVERALL. NO CHANGE TO THAT.

AGAIN, IT'S 16.48 ACRES AND THAT WOULD DISSOLVE THE THREE LOT FAMILY FARM AND MAKE THE LEGITIMATE LOTS.

AND THEN ALLOW FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OR REDIVISION OF THE LOT THAT MR. SHE OWNS. AGAIN, THE LOCATION BASICALLY HAS A MIXTURE OF PARTIAL SIZES ÃPARCEL SIZES AND MANY OF THESE SMALL DIVISIONS AND THEIR PICK THIS GIVES A BETTER CORRELATION TO THE COMP AND AND KIND OF MATCHES WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REST OF THE AREA. AND THE ZONING WILL STAY THE SAME SO THE AGRICULTURAL USES WILL STAY THE SAME. NUMBER OF PICTURES. THIS IS FROM U.S. 1 COMING INTO THE FAVOR DYKES ROAD. THAT'S LOOKING DOWN THE PARK TO THE END AND THAT'S THE FAMILY PARK IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE PARCEL AGAIN, FAVOR DYKES ROAD, WETTELAND, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AT PZA AT ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS A LIMITATION FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS WETLAND AREA THAT I'M SHOWING IT THAT WOULD BE ON MR. SHE'S PEACE AND I WILL GET TO THAT. JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE AREA IN THE FAMILY FARM THAT'S ON THE WESTERN SIDE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT IS THE BASIN SWAMP AND THAT WAS DUG OUT EVIDENTLY A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH Ã SOUTHWEST ACROSS THE ROAD THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME IN AND FILL THAT, AND IT WOULD INCREASE THEIR DRAINAGE SITUATION, SO WE DID ADDRESS THAT WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT. THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THAT AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY DUG THAT OUT AND IT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ELEVATIONS. SO THE JUSTIFICATION IS THAT WE DO FEEL IT'S SUITABLE AND IT DOESN'T MATCH THE CURRENT AREA.

THE LAND USE RS IS REALLY RELATED TO VERBAL TIMBERING AND AGRICULTURAL LIKE FARMING WHICH IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS SIZED PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT REALLY ADDRESS MOST OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA. THEY ARE IN SMALL PROPERTIES.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN SIZES, AND THESE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THOSE SIZES. AGAIN, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ÃTHE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW FOR ONE MORE ON MR. SHE'S PEACE, ON THE WESTERN SIDE AND ALLOW FOR THE THREE SAME ONES ON THE 7.6 ACRES CURRENTLY OWNED BY FAMILY MEMBERS ON THE WESTERN SIDE. AND THE TEXT AMENDMENT, IT READS THAT THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS FAVOR DYKES CONTAINING

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APPROVAL FOR ADOPTION. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? SEE A NUN, WE WILL NOW MOVE

INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON: WE WILL NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

FAVOR DYKES HOME SITES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH: NO PUBLIC COMMENT WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS DISTRICT 3 I WAS PREPARED AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON RECUSED HIMSELF AND PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH: YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 TWO ADOPT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2019 Ã06 FAVOR DYKES HOME SITES BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

YOU HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

BE A YES AS WELL.D PASSES 4 TO 0. CONGRATULATIONS.

I HAVE IT AS 11:52. WE WILL NOW RECESS

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: WE NOW RECONVENE IN JUNE 16, 2020 REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER DEAN SHOULD BE

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WE WILL BEGIN -- MR. WALDRON, ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE.

>>MR. WALDRON: I THINK WE HAD AN EMAIL TODAY.

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>>MR. BLOCKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY MEETINGS OR PHONE CALLS IN REGARD TO

THIS MATTER. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: COMMISSIONER

JOHNS. >>MR. JOHNS: NO, SIR.

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: I HAVE DONE AS WELL. AS MR. DEAN GETS AND WE WILL ASK HIM. WITHOUT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. MR. HUTCHISON, GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> I'M DEAN HUTCHISON WITH FLORIDA HOLDINGS HERE WITH A REQUEST TO REZONE 24 ACRES OF LAND IN THE TREASURE BEACH AREA FROM CN TO ARMITAGE ZONING.

MR. KELLY HAS HELP ME OUT WITH THAT AENEAS MAY GEORGIA LET ME KNOW THAT THE AREA IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AND THAT NUMEROUS PROPERTIES HAVING CN PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN REZONE TO THIS ARMITAGE ZONING. I DON'T HAVE A PROPER SLIDE TWO PERCENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THE LAND IS WOODED AND WOULD BE CLEAR TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON IT.

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU MR. HUTCHISON.

COMMISSIONER DEAN, WE DID DO AN EX PARTE MEETING TO HAVE ANYTHING.

>>MR. DEAN: UNTO DISCLOSE. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: MR. HUTCHISON

HAVE A QUESTION. >> EMAIL WE HAD WAS CONCERNING MOBILE HOMES. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO PUT -- IT'S ALL.

>> VERY NICE MOBILE HOMES. IT WILL BE. IT'LL BE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

>> THE WAY PRICES HAVE GONE IN THE AREA -- THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I DON'T HAVE MY THING UP HERE YET.

>> I'M SORRY, MY ATTENTION WAS DRAWN AWAY FOR THE MOMENT. COMMISSIONER DEAN DID HE GO

WITH -- >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: YES.

>> SUMMARY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. TOWARD HIS HOLDINGS REZONING.

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>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: NO PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

NOW ON DISTRICT 3, COMMISSIONER WALDRON I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF YOU SO DESIRE.

>> MOTION TO ENACT 20-30 A REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY 4.4 ACRES OF LAND FROM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO RESIDENTIAL MANUFACTURED MOBILE HOME OR SINGLE-FAMILY ARE MH AS BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT IS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

>> I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

(ROLL CALL). >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: IT IS

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MR. YOUNG, GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. BILL YOUNG, UTILITY DIRECTOR.

TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM IS AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE A SHORT POWERPOINT TO PRESENT. BEFORE I DO, LIKE TO MAKE BRIEF COMMENTS.

PROVIDING WATER AND SEWER SERVICE IN A FAST-GROWING COUNTY IS AN EXTREME SENSE OF BUSINESS. OUR UTILITY IS NO EXCEPTIONS GROWN TO A $60 MILLION A YEAR ENTERPRISE WHICH IS LOOKING AT HUNDRED MILLION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

WE HAVE BEEN BALANCING THE CHALLENGES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL STRATEGY WHICH HAS RESULTED IN COMPETITIVE RATES, HEALTHY RESERVES AND A STELLAR AA PLUS CREDIT RATING.

WE WORK WITH THE FINANCE MANAGER, OMB, ADMINISTRATION AND OUR LONGTIME RATE CONSULTANTS TO ENSURE OF THAT CONTINUE CAN SUCCESS. WE MAINTAIN A BALANCED APPROACH IT COMES FROM FOUR SOURCES. THERE ARE LIMITED TO EXPANSIONARY PROJECTS, A MODEST R&R PROGRAM, UNRESTRICTED RESERVES, AND DEBT -- I CALL IT STRATEGIC DEBT EITHER COMMERCIAL OR THROUGH PROGRAM AS SRF AS WERE GOING TO DESCRIBE TODAY.

THIS AFTERNOON, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO BORROW APPROXIMATELY $25 MILLION FROM THE FLORIDA STATE REVOLVING LOAN PROGRAM. THERE ARE SEVERAL REASON WE ARE RECOMMENDING THIS.

ONE, THE PROGRAM 'S TIME PROVEN IT IS BILL FOR THE TYPE OF PROJECTS WE WILL DISCUSS TODAY.

WE HAVE HAD A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE PROGRAM OVER THE YEARS.

WE'VE UTILIZED SRF PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN TIMES OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS.

THE PROGRAM OFFERS EXTREMELY ATTRACTIVE INTEREST RATES. WE ANTICIPATING THE RATES TO BE BELOW ONE PERCENT AND WE LOOKED FRIDAY IN THE -- ON FRIDAY WAS .37 SO LESS THAN HALF OF PERCENT. COMMERCIAL WERE LOOKING AT TWO OR TWO &.

THIRDLY, I BELIEVE THE PROJECT FUNDS UNDER THE RIGHT TERMS AS OTHER ADVANTAGES.

HISTORICALLY WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY UTILIZED DEBT TO STABILIZE RATES, MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY AND MORE EQUITABLY SHIFT DEBT SERVICE TO FUTURE CUSTOMERS, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.

AS I BEGIN THE POWERPOINT I NEED TO THANK A FEW PEOPLE DOWN BERRYHILL WHO IS HERE.

HE'S PROBABLY THE GRANDFATHER OF THE SRF WE'VE WORKED FOR YEARS AND YEARS HE KNOWS THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. HE IS A BIG HELP AS YOU FILL OUT THESE APPLICATIONS.

ENGINEERS HELP THIS AS WELL COMPILING THE REPORT THAT NEEDED TO BE SUBMITTED WITH THIS. FRANK KENTON AND GORDON SMITH, THEY DID A LOT OF WORK ON THIS I APPRECIATE THEIR LEADERSHIP. SCOTT TRADE, OR CAPITAL ENGINEER IS INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN DETERMINING WHICH PROJECTS WE WOULD APPLY FOR FUNDING FOR.

LASTLY WANT TO THANK JAMES GALLI. JAMES TOOK THE BULL BY THE HORNS. HE DID THE HARD WORK FOR US. REALLY JUST ORGANIZING AND MAKING SURE WE BROUGHT IT IN.

SO WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT TEAM AS YOU KNOW AND WE ARE PROUD OF THEM AND I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT.

SO ONTO THE POWERPOINT. AS I MENTIONED THE CLEAN WATER PROGRAM IS A LONG TIME PROVEN PROGRAM. THE INTEREST RATE IS LESS THAN ONE PERCENT.

RIGHT NOW THE LESS THAN HALF A PERCENT. THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT PLAN SEVERAL WASTEWATER PROJECTS WHICH I WILL DESCRIBE IN A MINUTE.

BUT THE TOTAL VALUE OF ABOUT $40 MILLION.

THE CRITICAL PROJECTS ARE THE CATEGORY FOR THE PROJECTS ARE KIND OF PROJECTS BASED ON RESILIENCY AND COMPLIANCE. IN ANASTASIA ISLAND WE HAVE REGULATORY PROBLEMS WE NEED TO

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WE HAVE STUFF FROM THE 70'S. SO INFRASTRUCTURE.

UTILITIES ARE REQUESTING J AUTHORIZATION FROM THE BOARD TO APPROVE THE FACILITIES PLAN, THE CAPITAL FINANCING PLAN AND AUTHORIZE A LOAN APPLICATION FOR THE SRF PROGRAM.

THIS IS A LIST OF OUR 14 PROJECTS. IN THE MIDDLE IS MORE R&R RELATED PROJECTS. BUT AT THE TOP I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANASTASIA ISLAND, WHICH HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE 80'S. AND HAS TRADITIONAL DISINFECTION AFTER CHLORINE.

AND AS SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW, DISINFECTED BYPRODUCTS ARE A CALMING TREND OF CONCERN AND THEY ARE LOOKED AT IN THE PARTS PER BILLION PARTS PER TRILLION. SO WE WANT TO REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF ANY ISSUES WITH SUBMITTING THAT TO OUR RIVER. ALL OF OUR NEW PLANS HAVE UV, ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT. IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DISINFECT. WE WANT TO RETROFIT ANASTASIA ISLAND WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY GET AWAY FROM THE CHEMICALS IN THE CHLORINE.

THE MIDDLE PROJECTS, THE SECOND ONE IS R&R FOR LIFT STATION. WE HAVE 385 STATIONS IN OUR SYSTEM. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO REDO ABOUT 30 LIFT STATIONS, ABOUT 10 A YEAR FOR THREE YEARS.

MANHOLES AS WELL WE HAVE OVER 10,000 MANHOLES. IT'S A PRETTY CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENT AND SO WE HAVE A PROGRAM TO DO ABOUT 200 A YEAR OF THE MANHOLES AND GET THEM INTO SHAPE.

AND THEN LASTLY SIMILAR TO ANASTASIA ISLAND STATE ROAD 16 IS A SHOVEL READY WASTEWATER FACILITY THAT WE NEED TO DO WORK ON. IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE ABOUT 1990. AGAIN, LIKE ANASTASIA ISLAND, THEY ARE PERFECT CANDIDATES FOR THIS PROGRAM.

I WANT TO EXPLAIN AT THE BOTTOM THE TOTAL OF THESE PROJECTS IS JUST SHY OF $40 MILLION.

WE HAVEN'T BROKE IT UP INTO PHASE A IN PHASE B. I'LL EXPLAIN THAT.

TODAY WERE GOING TO ASK FOR AUTHORIZATION TO FUND A LOAN FOR PHASE A ONLY.

A LITTLE MORE IN THE FACILITIES PLAN WOULD YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIAL.

BUT TO SUMMARIZE, AGAIN WE DID THIS IN TWO PHASES. PHASE A WE WILL ASK FOR TODAY AND PHASE B WILL PROBABLY BE ABOUT TWO YEARS AWAY.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE FACILITIES PLANNING CAPITAL FINANCING PLAN THAT YOU WILL HOPEFULLY APPROVE TODAY ARE VALID FOR PHASE A AND B SO WE WILL NOT NEED TO COME BACK ON THAT. WE WILL COME BACK FOR THE OTHER 18 MILLION IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THOSE TWO PLANS.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT TODAY'S FUNDING WILL JUST BE FOR PHASE A.

A LITTLE MORE SUMMARY ON THE CAPITAL FINANCING PLAN. IT'S A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF BORROWING THE WHOLE 40 MILLION. IT'S A TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR PHASE A AND B. THE CURRENT REVENUES AND OPERATING EXPENSES INCLUDING EXISTING DEBT SERVICE SUPPORT THE PAYBACK OF THE LOAN.

THE UTILITY FINANCIAL PROJECTION IS MAINTAINED AN EXCELLENT AA PLUS CREDIT RATING WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO US AND HAS EXCEEDED BOND REQUIREMENTS.

ON THE RIGHT IT SUMMARIZES THE LETTER A AND B FOR A TOTAL OF ALMOST FOR A TOTAL OF ALMOST $40 MILLION. WE HAVE -- IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ESTIMATE OVERALL -- WE DO WANT TO COME BACK IN TWO YEARS WITH AN INTEREST RATE OF ABOUT -- IS MUCH LOWER RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THERE'S ONE -- I NEED TO KNOW ONE -- IN THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL THERE'S A SCRIVENERS ERROR.

WHERE HAS TOTAL COST ADVERTISERS ABLE TO POINT TO REMIND ME.

IN THE BACK ROOM THAT'S 40 MILLION. ONE WAS NOT CARRIED OVER.

SO THAT'S BEEN CORRECTED WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND OTHERS, BUT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS 41 222 61. I THINK IN EARLIER EDITIONS THAT WAS 40 MILLION.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I ADDRESS THAT.

FINANCE HAS SIGNED OFF ON THAT.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT PHASE A ASKING FOR AUTHORIZATION TODAY.

IT DOES INCLUDE ALL THE RELATED COSTS AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS INITIAL REQUEST OF 25 MILLION -- 25.6 IS A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER. WE LEARNED FROM RECENT EXPERIENCE FROM TRENDING PROJECTS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NOTHING THERE.

WE ARE HOPEFULLY WON'T TAKE ALL OF THAT. BUT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SEE IN THEIR AND OTHER FEES IN SUCH AS WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER AND THAT'S HOW WE LOOK AT THAT.

AS SO TO WRAP IT UP, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YES, WE DID SUMMARIZE WE HAVE COPIES OF THE

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TODAY WE ARE ASKING FOR TWO RESOLUTIONS. ONE TO APPROVE THE FACILITIES PLAN SO -- AND SECONDLY THE PLAN APPROVES OUR LOAN AUTHORIZATION OF 25,686,787 40 WASTEWATER REHABILITATION PROJECTS.

A LITTLE QUICK NOTE ON THE SCHEDULE AHEAD, THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THIS IS THE END OF THIS MONTH, JUNE 30. IT'S COMPETITIVE, BUT WE FEEL GOOD BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND THE QUALITIES PROJECTS THAT IT WILL BE WELL RECEIVED.

IN AUGUST 12, THEY WILL NEED TO CONFIRM WHICH PROJECTS ARE ACCEPTED AND SUCH.

SO THAT IS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECTS AND THE PROCESSABLE WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY. AS ALWAYS WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. YOUNG? COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>>MR. JOHNS: ORGANIZATION DOES A FANTASTIC JOB NOT JUST MAINTAINING BUT APPROVING DOMINIC IMPROVING THE CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT OUR COUNTY EXPERIENCES.

IT SETS A ROLE MODEL.

I TRUST WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK -- I MAY HAVE MISSED IT -- WHAT IS OUR TOTAL BONDING CAPACITY VERSUS WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING FOR THIS LOAN?

>> I DO NOT WANT TO MISTAKE THAT. SO I MAY CALL ON ONE OF MY BUDGET GUYS TO ANSWER THAT. JAMES?

>>MR. JOHNS: I'M LOOKING FOR A NUMBER THAT WILL NOT IMPACT OUR AA PLUS RATING.

>> RIGHT. COMMISSIONER JOHNS, FOR CLARIFICATION YOU ARE TALKING

ABOUT THE UTILITY SYSTEM. >> CORRECT.

>> I WILL LET JAMES, MY NUMBERS GUY --

>> JAMES GANLEY. ANALYST FOR THE UTILITY. THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT BONDING CAPACITIES. IN OUR UTILITY FINANCIAL MODEL.

ONE OF THE WAYS WE LOOK AT THAT IS CURRENT DEBT VERSUS PLANNED DEBT.

RIGHT NOW DEPENDING ON WHICH FISCAL YEAR YOU LOOK AT, WE HAVE ABOUT $165 BILLION IN OUTSTANDING DEBT, INCLUDING PRIMARY AND SECONDARY.

WE HAVE PLANNED OUT TO OUR TENURE PROGRAMS TO GET TO ABOUT 200 TO --

>> TOTAL CAPACITY BUT THAT SOME PERCENTAGE OF CAPACITY, WE START JEOPARDIZING OUR CREDIT

RATING? >> ABSOLUTELY.

AND SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER METRICS THAT WE LOOK AT IS A DEBT TO ASSET RATIO.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT A STRONG UTILITY WILL NOT EXCEED 40 PERCENT TOTAL DEBT IN TOTAL ASSETS RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT ABOUT 32, 33 PERCENT.

IT WILL BRING US UP TO ABOUT 3435 PERCENT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR THANK YOU.

>> WE DO WATCH THAT CLOSELY. WE DO NOT WANT TO SACRIFICE THE AA PLUS RATIO.

IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET IT AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

THANK YOU SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. MR. CHAIRMAN I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ARE CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE ARE NOW BACK TO THE BOARD WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 20-20 >> MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 20-2228 ADOPTING THE FACILITY AND CAPITAL FINANCING PLAN FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM REHAB AND IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS DATED APRIL 2020.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NO, WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

(ROLL CALL). >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT. YOU WANT ANOTHER ONE MR. HILL.

>> YES. >> AND PREPARED TO MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 29 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY TO APPLY FOR AN SRF LOAN WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM REHAB AND IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ESTABLISHING PLEDGED REVENUES AND DESIGNATED AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE.

>> SECOND. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: I HAVE A MOTION SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL PROCEED

WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE. >> IF I MAY? THE MOTION ITSELF IS PROPER, BUT JUST SO THE RESOLUTION, IF ADOPTED, AUTHORIZES THE

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THAT. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND. NO DISCUSSION. WE WILL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

(ROLL CALL). >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: ALL RIGHT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, AS WE CLOSE ON THIS ITEM, I WANT TO JUST SAY HELLO TO MY FRIEND OF 40+ YEARS , THAT'S NOT HIS AGE, THAT'S A FRIENDSHIP. DON BERRYHILL.

ALLEGEDLY WE ARE THIRD OR FOURTH COUSINS. MY MOTHER IS A BERRYHILL FROM IOWA WE'VE NEVER FIGURED OUT WHERE THEY INTERTWINED.

>> HAVE KNOWN HIM SINCE GRADE SCHOOL.

>> PRETTY MUCH. >> YOU BEEN A BIG HELP.

>> MR. YOUNG IS GOOD TO SEE YOU UP AND ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU. >> FRANK AND THEM TODAY GREAT

JOB WITH THE BUDGET. >> I HEAR THAT FROM EVERYBODY.

>> ALMOST TO GET A JOB. (LAUGHING) THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

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GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE EIGHT VACANCIES ON THE ARTS CULTURAL FUNDING PANEL SIX ARE DUE TO EXPIRE IN TWO ARE DUE TO RESIGNATIONS.

OF THESE EIGHT SEATS, FIVE ARE REQUIRED TO BE MEMBER POSITIONS RESIDING WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THE OTHER THREE ARE TO BE NON-COUNTY. WE DID ADVERTISE THESE VACANCIES FOR TWO DIFFERENT FOUR-WEEK SPANS. NO OUT OF COUNTY APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED. SO ATTACHED, FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION ARE EIGHT APPLICATIONS FROM CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ALONG WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND THE SUGGESTED MOTIONS BELOW REFLECT THOSE FIVE SEATS THAT ARE WITHIN THE COUNTY.

SO THAT IS THE BASIS OF THIS. IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS I BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LUNDQUIST? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? SEEING THEM WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>>MR. WALDRON: WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA NUMBER EIGHT CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE ARTS, CULTURAL, HERITAGE FUNDING PANEL.

MR. CHAIRMAN I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: WE ARE NOW BACK TO THE BOARD WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR MOTIONS.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? YOU CAN DO THEM ALL AT ONCE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

OKAY. THERE DIFFERENT DATES, BUT -- ALL RIGHT.

>> WILL DO THESE -- TO HAVE TO DO THE DIFFERENT DATES ARE THE TOP THREE IMAGINE BE THE FIRST ÃBEST AS I MENTIONED IS HOW THEY LINE UP. HOW ABOUT THAT?

WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT? >>FEMALE SPEAKER: THE WAY WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST OR WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE APPOINTMENTS WITH DIFFERENT EXPIRATION TERM DATES, IS THAT WE HAVE, AT TIMES, JUST MADE THE APPOINTMENTS AND LET THE MEMBERS SORTED OUT FOR THEMSELVES AT THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE A PARTICULAR TERM OR IN THE PAST IT'S ALSO BEEN DONE BY DRAWING OF LOTS.

SO, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT THAT WAY, WHERE THE MEMBERS COULD SORTED OUT FOR THEMSELVES, BASICALLY, WHO GETS WHICH TERMS, THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS I WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK FOR RATIFICATION COULD BE DONE.

>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

>> YOU WANT TO MENTION ONE OF THE SEAT SAYS ALTERNATE OR THE OTHER REGULAR MEMBERS AND ONE

ALTERNATE. >> I WOULD LIKE CLARITY MOVING FORWARD. IF WE HAVE THREE OTHER VACANT SEATS, IS A WAY THAT WERE NOT GETTING APPLICANTS FROM OUT OF COUNTY?

>> WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK.

>> OKAY JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. AND WE HAD ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE APPLICANTS OVERALL IN THE COUNTY. OKAY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT GINA FIORE, LISA JOHNSON, ROD MORRIS, JULIANA SCHIAVO, AND

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AND THAT THEY CAN DECIDE ON WHEN THEY WANTED TO EXPIRE.

>> SECOND. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. I ASSUME THEY CAN DECIDE NOT ONLY THE TERMS TO EXPIRE, IT ALSO WHO WOULD SERVE AS THE ALTERNATE AS WELL? THEY CAN CHOOSE OUT OF THOSE FIVE.

>> YES. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE WILL PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE.

(ROLL CALL)

>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: PEGGY VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT WE WILL MOVE ALONG

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>>MCCORMACK: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS AND DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY GINA ROSS IS GOING TO COME APPEAR TO BRIEF. THIS WILL PERTAIN TO THE CARES ACT ENDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STATE OF FLORIDA VISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. AND I THINK MS. ROSS CAN BRIEF THE HIGHLIGHTS.

FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE LISTENING, COPY OF THIS AGREEMENT WE HAVE PUT ON THE COUNTY WEBPAGE. SO IF YOU PULL UP THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WEBPAGE, THE LEAD PAGE, THE HOMEPAGE, THE PICTURE YOU SEE THERE OF A PERSON WASHING THEIR HANDS AND IT SAYS CLICK HERE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY CORONAVIRUS COVID 19 UPDATES, IF YOU CLICK ON THAT, AND THEN YOU JUST PAGE DOWN TO BELOW THE COUNTY SEAL, THERE'S A JUNE 16, 2020 ST. JOHNS COUNTY CARES ACT FUNDING AGREEMENT LINK. SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO -- ANY OF THE LISTENING AUDIENCE, TO VIEW THIS, THAT'S THE LINK FOR THAT.

AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MS. ROSS BRIEF SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFICS OF THIS PROPOSED

AGREEMENT. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: GOOD

AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS. FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION, WE HAVE A COPY OF THE AGREEMENT. THE AGREEMENT CAME INTO THE COUNTY ON SATURDAY EVENING AND IT'S A PRETTY LENGTHY AGREEMENT IF YOU'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT. WE TRIED TO SEND THAT TO YOU LAST NIGHT AND KIND OF A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE TERMS, NORMAL TERMS IN THE AGREEMENT AND I CAN GO THROUGH THOSE FOR YOU ONE OF THE THINGS UP TOP IN THE AGREEMENT, WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF IS AS INSTRUCTED, THE DIVISION OF -- THE FLORIDA DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WHICH WILL ADMINISTER FUNDS, THEY BEEN PRETTY SPECIFIC THAT IT CAN'T BE MODIFIED.

SO FAR I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSULT WITH THE DIVISION SO I'M NOT SURE HOW IT ETCHED IN STONE IT IS. ALL OF THE COUNTY IS THE AGREEMENT ABOUT THE SAME TIME.

SO WERE LOOKING AT THE SAME AGREEMENT. OTHER THAN PROVISIONS REGARDING FUNDING. THE EFFECTIVE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT IS MARCH 1, 2020 THROUGH OTHER THAN PROVISIONS REGARDING FUNDING. THE EFFECTIVE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT IS MARCH 1, 2020 THROUGH DECEMBER 30, 2020. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN WE SAW THE TERM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAD THE AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE IN BREACH FOR SOMETHING THEY WERE OBLIGATED TO DO.

SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT AND SO FAR NONE OF OUR DUTIES -- AT LEAST YOU WOULDN'T BE AUTOMATICALLY BREACHED. HAVING THAT DOES ALLOW US TO GO BACK AND CAPTURE FUNDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPENDED.

THE FUNDING, THE COUNTY TOTAL AWARD IS 11.5 MILLION AND UPON EXECUTION THE PERSON DISPERSING THAT IS ABOUT 20 MILLION, LITTLE OVER 2.8 MILLION AND THE REMAINING DISBURSEMENTS WILL BE MADE ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS. PAYMENTS FROM THE FUND -- THERE ARE STIPULATIONS ON THE FUNDING. THERE ARE THREE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PAYMENTS TO COME OUT.

THEY HAVE TO BE NECESSARY EXPENDITURES IT OCCURRED -- INCURRED DUE TO COVID 19.

THEY HAVE TO BE EXPENDITURES THAT WERE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE HAVE TO BE INCURRED DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WHICH IS THE EFFECTIVE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT MARCH 1 AND DECEMBER 40 2020.

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AND AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION, YOU CAN AUTHORIZE OR APPOINT A DESIGNEE TO MAKE THAT CERTIFICATION FOR EACH.

THERE'S A PROVISION FOR FUNDING TO MUNICIPALITIES ACCORDING TO THE DIVISION, FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION, WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DISPERSING FUNDS FOR HAVE TO MAKE A REQUEST TO THE COUNTY THE COUNTY WOULD DISBURSE THE FUNDS. BUT THE COUNTY WOULD REMAIN OBLIGATED FOR REPAYMENT FOR ANY INELIGIBLE EXPENDITURES MADE BY THE CITY. IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT THERE'S A SPACE FOR THAT. I THINK WE PROBABLY HAD SOME AGREEMENT LIKE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE DISBURSEMENTS TO THE MUNICIPALITY UPON REQUEST THE COUNTY COULD MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE MUNICIPALITY REGARDING STIPULATION OF THE FUNDS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST WORK OUT BUT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISPERSING TO THE MUNICIPALITY HOWEVER THERE'S AN INELIGIBLE EXPENDITURES JADE THE COUNTY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPAYMENT OF THAT, THAT EXPENDITURE. THE COUNTY WILL HAVE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, THERE WILL BE QUARTERLY REPORTS REQUIRED BASED ON THE PROGRESS OF THE FUNDS AS WELL AS A PROPOSAL -- CLOSEOUT. THE FIRST REPORT IS FOR THE QUARTER ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2020 AND THE REPORT WOULD BE DUE NO LATER THAN THE 15TH DAY AFTER THE END OF THAT QUARTER WHICH IS ABOUT OCTOBER 15. THE LIABILITY LANGUAGE IS PRETTY STANDARD.

WHEN YOU'RE MAKING AN AGREEMENT WITH THIS STAGE YOU HAVE TO BE FULLY LIABLE FOR ANY NEGLIGENT AND TORTUROUS ACTS. BUT THERE IS A LIMITATION. THERE IS NO WAIVER OF SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR LIMITED LIABILITY THAT'S PROVIDED UNDER SECTION 17.820 UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTES. DEFAULT. THERE ARE A FEW DEFAULT PROVISIONS, BUT IN THE EVENT OF DEFAULT, IT'S MORE STANDARD WITH STATE CONTRACTS.

THE DIVISION CAN HAVE OPTIONS. A LETTER OF NONCOMPLIANCE, IT TYPICALLY IS HOW THEY HANDLE THINGS, VERY RARELY IS THE FIRST RESPONSE OR THE FIRST ONE GOING TO BE DEFENDING OF THE AGREEMENT IF THERE'S A CONTINUED PERSISTENCE PATTERN OF FAILING TO COMPLY YOU CAN WORK CLOSER TO BEING DEFUNDED OR REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

THERE IS A TERMINATION PROVISION IN THE AGREEMENT. IF THE AGREEMENT IS TERMINATED FOR CAUSE, THE DIVISION HAS THE OPTION OF TERMINATING THE AGREEMENT FOR CAUSE.

THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPTION, WHICH IS STANDARD IN MOST AGREEMENTS, THE OPTION OF TERMINATING FOR CONVENIENCE. AND THEN THERE'S AN OPTION WHERE THE COUNTY JEWISH ÃMAY AGREE TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT. AND WE WOULD DO THAT BY AMENDMENT. THEY PUT THE PROVISION IN REGARDING AMENDMENT AT THE BACKEND. I'M HOPING THAT I CAN CONSULT WITH THE DIVISION AND THAT PROVISION AT THE TOP THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR MODIFICATION, THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO CHANGES IF THE BOARD SO DESIRED. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE HIGHLIGHT. THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONS BUT THERE'S A STANDARD PROVISION THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE WITH FEDERAL FUNDING ANTIDISCRIMINATION OF THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND THINGS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THAT'S TIED TO FEDERAL FUNDING AS WELL AS STATE PROVISIONS SUCH AS COMPLIANCE WITH PUBLIC RECORDS ACT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUNSHINE DIVISION. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD SEE IN THESE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ANYTHING MORE SPECIFIC, THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE MATERIALS. IF THERE'S SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT.

>> AND MR. CHARITY COUNTY MINISTRATION MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THIS

ITEM. >> WE WILL GO TO THAT IN A MOMENT. COMMISSIONER JOHNS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.

>> DID NOT MISS A PROVISION ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR RECEIPT OF REIMBURSEMENT AFTER WE SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR A CASH FLOW ANALYSIS?

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>> THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF TIMELINES, SPECIFIC TIMELINES PROVIDED IN THE AGREEMENT OTHER THAN THE EFFECTIVE TERMS AND IF YOU SEE LIKE THE EFFECTIVE TERM STARTS MARCH IT'S ALREADY JULY, THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US -- OTHER THAN A QUARTERLY REPORT, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AS TO ROLLOUT AND EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS. I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO OUR DISASTER RECOVERY TEAM AND ONE OF THE THINGS -- WE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY IT SEEMS TO BE THE ABILITY TO CREATE PROJECTS AND BE ABLE TO SEND OUT ALL THE MONEY AT THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. WERE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE THEY HAVE PUT SOME GUIDANCE OUT BUT THEY HAVEN'T PUT A TREMENDOUS OUT THEY HAVEN'T PUT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GUIDANCE OUT WHAT WE ARE ONE OF THE COUNTIES THAT RECEIVE FUNDING. AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR OR CALENDAR YEAR, AS ALWAYS IF THERE'S FUNDS LEFT OVER, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION TO ALLOW US TO SEND OUT THE FUNDS, SO FAR WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. SO FAR, THE ANSWER IS THE CONTRACT IS -- UNTIL WE GET FURTHER DIRECTION. WERE ASSUMING THAT THE CONTRACT ENDS ON THE 30TH.

>> ONCE WE CEMENT THE REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT IS THERE A TIMELINE THAT WE GET THE REIMBURSEMENT? THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SPECIFIC ON THAT.

WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSULT WITH THE DIVISION. THAT IS A QUESTION THAT WE CAN

REACH IN. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS HERE CORRECT. THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT HAVE LANGUAGE FOR THAT.

I'M SORRY. I DID NOT MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DIVISION DOES IS GIVE ITSELF SOME OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

FOR EXAMPLE AFTER OUR INITIAL DISBURSEMENT AND THEN WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENTATION. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STORE THE TIMELINE IS THE DIVISION HASTHE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND SAY CAN YOU PROVIDE MORE COMPREHENSIVE INFORMATION? BUT THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US, FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED, IT COMES BACK IN 30 DAYS OR COMES BACK IN 60 DAYS. THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN US THAT

INFORMATION. >> HAVE YOU GOT A FEEL FOR THE CASH FLOW? DO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS -- THIS EXPENSE WITHOUT REIMBURSEMENT OVER WEEKS, MONTHS OR YEARS? AND IS THERE AN AUDIT POTENTIAL SUCH AS FOR HURRICANE REIMBURSEMENT SOME YEARS LATER?

>> THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A PROVISION WHICH IS TYPICAL IN THESE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS WHERE THE DIVISION HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN. THERE IS A RECORD KEEPING PROVISION WHICH WILL GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON YOUR OBLIGATIONS TO KEEP THE RECORD, BUT IT IS STANDARD WITH THESE TYPES OF FUNDS THAT AN AUDIT -- YOU ARE STILL SUBJECT TO AUDIT.

TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN AGREEMENTS LIKE THIS IS THE AUDIT PERIOD IS ABOUT FIVE YEARS, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CONSULT WITH THE DIVISION AND INNER GUIDANCE THAT THEY PUT OUT THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THE QUESTION.

>> OKAY. SO I SEE THIS HAS COME FROM RESERVE FUNDS?

>> GENERAL RESERVE. >> AS FAR AS FUNDING, BECAUSE OF THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT JUDGMENT FOR SOME EXPENDITURES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, SOME OF THE ELIGIBLE EXPENDITURES, FOR EXAMPLE, PAYROLL, THAT IS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENDITURE. SO PAYROLL THAT HAS BEEN INCURRED BY THE COUNTY, FROM STAFF PAYROLL, WAGES, BENEFITS, THOSE ARE REIMBURSABLE.

SO YOU CAN EVEN GO BACK NOW, DATE BACK TO MARCH 5 AND PAY THOSE THINGS AND FROM EACH FUND. GOING FORWARD, -- AND I WOULD PROBABLY NEED THE BUDGET TO WEIGH IN ON THE EXPENDITURE OF THOSE FUNDS AND HOW -- AND IF I MAY, AND I THINK REGINA HAD COVERED THIS THE FIRST 25 PERCENT IS SORT OF A PREPAYMENT BY THE STATE AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S ON REIMBURSEMENT. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR SPEAKING THE SCHOOL MAYBE I AM A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE -- I THINK THE ARRANGEMENT THAT THE COUNTY MAY HAVE WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME PROJECTS IN THE MUNICIPALITIES, THERE COULD POSSIBLY BE SOME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT THAT THE MUNICIPALITY PAYS UPFRONT AND THEN WE GET REIMBURSED THROUGH THE -- TO THE COUNTY. I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT IS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE, BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY.

>> DO WE HAVE TODAY OR CAN WE HAVE BUYER NEXT BOARD MEETING IN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE PURCHASE IT -- ANTICIPATE ELIGIBLE TO BE.

>> WE GOT THE AGREEMENT FROM THE DIVISION ON SATURDAY. THEY DID NOT PROVIDE US WITH A

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SO WE DID WANT TO INTRODUCE THE AGREEMENT SAVE A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

WE GET A CHANCE -- IF THAT WERE YOUR DESIRE. WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW THE DIVISION HASN'T TOLD US HERE'S THE AGREEMENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT BACK AND ASK AMOUNT OF DAYS. SO THE ONLY TIMELINESS THAT WE PROBABLY ARE LOOKING AT IS THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT AND IT DATES BACK TO MARCH WE ARE IN JULY. DECEMBER WILL BE HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.

SO UNPREPARED. WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND IF YOU WANT CLARIFICATION BE ABLE TO STATE YOUR QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS, WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO BE AVAILABLE AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO REQUEST THOSE CHANGES. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MOVE AS

QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. >> LOOKING INTROSPECTIVELY, WE EVIDENT HIM ABOUT HOW MUCH EXPENSES WE HAVE OR WILL HAVE COMPARED TO THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE? ARE WE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO 11 ONE HALF MILLION OR SOME

PERCENTAGE OF THAT. >> I HAVE TO DEFER TO ADMINISTRATION AND AS FOR --'S FIRST THE SCOPE OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE THINK WE WILL INCUR

WERE LOOKING AT. >> MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, YOU ASKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH THE CITY OF AUGUSTINE BEACH REGARDING THE FUNDING WHAT YOUR PRIORITY LIST MAY BE AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. ADDITIONALLY, WE CONCLUDE TODAY I'LL CALL THE CITY AND ASKED TO SPEAK WITH THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER TO INCLUDE HIM ON THAT CONVERSATION SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT PORTION OF THE FUNDS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.

WE HAVE NOT, AS MS. FOX SPOKE WE HAVE NOT DEVELOPED A PLAN YET SPECIFICALLY AS TO WHAT ALLOCATIONS GOING TO GO WHERE WHAT THE AGREEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHETHER THEY WOULD PAY UPFRONT JANESSA REIMBURSED, WITH THE CARES MONEY THAT THEY WOULD REIMBURSE HIM DIRECTLY.

THOSE ARE ALL THE ISSUES WE HAVE TO WORK FOR. THE SECOND QUESTION IS DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON COVID? WE CAN GET AN APPROXIMATION OF THOSE NUMBERS BUT THERE WOULD BE OVERTIME COSTS AND ALL THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR.

WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT AS PART OF THE FEE REIMBURSEMENT AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF OTHER OPERATIONAL COSTS THAT HAVE GONE ON. WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER TODAY BUT WE CAN GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE PRETTY SOON. I WOULD NOT EXPECT -- I WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO SPEND BECAUSE AS WELL AS YOU KNOW WE USE SOME OF THE CBV FUNDING THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH REALLOCATION OF SOME OF THE CBG FUNDS BECAUSE THAT WAS DIRECTLY RELATED TO COVID. WORK WITH LEGAL TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DEFENSIBLE AND APPROPRIATE ACCORDING TO THE AGREEMENT. BUT JUST TO -- JUST TO LOOK INSIDE OF THOSE TWO QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> WHEN I FIRST READ THERE'S WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OVERLAP AS WELL. AND SO THE ELIGIBILITY OF THAT, BEYOND FEMA AND HAVE TO REACH INTO THAT REALM. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY ENOUGH TO THOSE BOUNDARIES, THOSE PARAMETERS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE, BUT IN LOOKING INTO THOSE, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS ACCEPT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF STRINGS ATTACHED AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERN ME ESPECIALLY THE OVERVIEW WAS THAT YOU KNOW, WE ARE LIABLE FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES. I WOULD SAY MISAPPROPRIATION OF THOSE FUNDS THAT WE WOULD BE THE ONES I WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT. SO THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT. BUT I DON'T MIND DOING IT IF WE ARE WILLING TO PROCEED MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHTFULLY. I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO CREATIVE IF WE HAD EXPENSES THAT HAVE BEEN INCURRED A LOT OF THEM SEEM TO HAVE BEEN COVERED OR SHOULD BE COVERED BY FEMA.

BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE IN EXCESS. AM I RIGHTLY PERCEIVING IT? IS THAT PROPER?

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OKAY. >> WHEN I RECEIVED THE EMAIL I WAS CONFUSED ON IT. I GUESS ORGANIZE TO PRINT MORE MONEY.

TO ME WILL. BUT YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL HOW YOU ARE USING AND UTILIZING IT

JUST ALWAYS -- >> YES, SIR.

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>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I'M JUST -- I'M NOT EVEN EDUCATED ENOUGH TO EVEN ASK IT. ALL RIGHT.

WILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? COMMISSIONER WALDRON? I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE THE CARES ACT FUNDING AGREEMENT.

>> WERE NOT MAKING A MOTION RIGHT NOW, ARE WE.

>> A PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

MR. CHAIRMAN I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE DECISION BY THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD THIS COMIC MR. JOHNSON.

>> LET ME MAKE A COMMENT. THIS IS JUST A COMMENT. IT'S NOT BASED ON ANYTHING I'VE READ OR HEARD. THIS 11/2 MILLION DOLLARS IS TAXPAYER MONEY.

IT'S COMING FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS GOING TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL AND IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET NEEDS. IT'S NOT FREE MONEY. AND SO I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS IN WHAT WE PURSUE TO SPEND IT ON. IF WE DON'T SPEND IT IS UP TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT -- IT WAS NOT FOUND MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND. I WOULD MUCH RATHER GIVE IT BACK TO THE CONSTITUENTS IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THOUGH ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE STILL UNEMPLOYED DURING THIS TIME.

BECAUSE WHILE WE MAY BE FEELING THEY WERE GETTING BACK TO NORMAL, THERE'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION WHO IS STILL UNEMPLOYED, NOT ECESSARILY BY THEIR CHOICE. WE ARE SPENDING THEIR MONEY ON THESE REIMBURSEMENTS.

SO I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS IN HOW WE ANALYZE THIS AND THAT WE SPEND IT -- I HAVE FULL TRUST IN THE STAFF IN DOING SO -- BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT AS SPEND IT OR LOSE IT MENTALITY.

I WOULD MUCH RATHER GIVE BACK AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN FORWARD OF HER GREATEST NEED AREAS TO DEMONSTRATE, AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST, OUR FISCAL CONSERVATIVE NATURE AS A COUNTY.

I KNOW OTHER COUNTIES WILL SPEND THIS AND HOPING THEY CAN FIND A WAY TO GET MORE MONEY OUT OF IT. THEY SPEND IT AS FAST AS THEY CAN.

THAT'S NOT OUR MENTALITY IS A COUNTY. AND I DON'T WANT TO APPEAR TO BE DOING IT FOR THE SAME THING. I WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THIS.

AND IF ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, BUT -- BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CAVEATS THAT PUT US, AS A COUNTY, FAR INTO THE FUTURE LIABLE FOR HOW WE DO THINGS. SO JUST REALIZE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO THINK VERY CAREFULLY AND CAUTIOUSLY AND SERIOUSLY IN HOW WE APPLY

FOR THESE FUNDS. >> IN THE 19 PAGES, DOES IT INCLUDE THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR RECEIVING THESE FUNDS, ETC.?

>> IT IS NOT SPECIFIC AS TO YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. BUT THE COSTS ARE REIMBURSABLE.

THERE'S A LIST OF ELIGIBLE COSTS OR EXPENSES THAT YOU CAN USE THE FUNDS FOR AND THEY'RE VERY GENERAL. WE LOOKED OUT FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE DIVISION AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED SOME GUIDANCE AS FAR AS THOSE FINDINGS, BUT IF THERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE COST ASSOCIATED WITH DEALING WITH THE PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU HAVE DEV STAFF MEMBER WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PROCESSING PAPERWORK, TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING, YOU MAY REIMBURSE

THOSE COSTS FROM THESE FUNDS. >>CHAIRMAN SMITH: COMMISSIONER

DEAN? >> I WANT TO REINFORCE WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHN SAID. ANAGREE COMPLETELY IT'S A BURDEN ON US TO MAKE SURE WE SEND THE PUBLIC'S MONEY, THE TAXPAYERS MONEY EFFICIENTLY AND PROFICIENTLY.

MY QUESTION TO STAFF, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TODAY, WE HAVE A NUMBER FEDERAL AND GREAT GRANTS AND MY QUESTION IS IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO ACCEPT $11 MILLION, WOULD IT BE PUT BACK IN THE POT TO BE DISTRIBUTED AMONG THE OTHER 66 COUNTIES IN FLORIDA? OR WOULD BE PUT BACK IN THE FEDERAL POT TO BE DISTRIBUTED NATIONALLY? OR WOULD WE ACTUALLY -- WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BE SAVING $11 BILLION TO USE FOR OTHER PURPOSES IN THE FUTURE? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION I'D LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ACCEPT THIS WE ARE SPENDING IT WISELY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE DON'T TAKE IT, WHERE DOES IT GO? TO ANOTHER COUNTY IN OUR STATE? OR ANOTHER STATE IN OUR COUNTRY?

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>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> THAT'S A QUESTION WE HAVE TO POST BACK TO THE DIVISION. IN ADDITION TO GETTING THE APPLICATION, WE DID GET A LIST OF WHICH COUNTIES -- FOR THIS DISBURSEMENT IS COUNTY -- POPULATIONS UNDER 500 PEOPLE.

>> I SAW THAT. 500,000.

>> I SAW THE COUNTY BY COUNTY AND THAT'S WHY QUESTION THE OTHER 66 COUNTIES BUT THAT 11 MILLION? HOW DOES IT WORK BECAUSE I SAW THE MEMBERS ASSIGNED TO COUNTIES UNDER AND OVER 500,000.

>> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION -- IF WE DID NOT TAKE THE FUNDING, WHO WOULD WOULD GO BACK TO HER BE REFUNDED TO AND HOW IT WOULD BE DISPERSED IS A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE DIVISION.

>> LIKE TO KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION ASKED MR. CONRAD YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT DISBURSEMENT OF FUNDS -- WE ARE HE HAD REALLOCATED TOWARD BUSINESSES AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT THESE COULD BE USED TO REPLENISH THEM TO WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO.

I GUESS, ONE IS A QUESTION OF PROCESS, THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN DELEGATED TO THAT DISBURSEMENT, EXAMPLE WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS OR -- OR JUST A TOTAL LUMP-SUM GOING BACK? I GUESS -- THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT FEDERAL PROGRAMS. THEY GRANTED THE LIBERTY FOR US TO UTILIZE. TO ME, THESE FUNDS SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP. WHEN IT COMES TO CDBG, WHEN IT COMES TO CB, WHEN IT COMES TO FEMA THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF OVERLAP. LIKE THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF LEGISLATIVE DOLLARS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO? AND I GUESS THE SPECIFIC EXPENDITURES WOULD QUALIFY.

THEY BEEN DOCUMENTED. THESE WOULD BE PUT BACK UNDER ITS GUIDELINES AND PARAMETERS IS THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT EXISTS AT. AND SO IS TO YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY AUSTIN LOGISTICALLY HOW IS IT DONE, WILL HAVE TO REVIEW.

WE CUT THIS ON SATURDAY. BUT YOU JUST MENTIONED THOSE WERE FUNDS THAT WERE USED FOR ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS BROUGHT FORTH BY THIS BOARD. IT'S ONE OFTHE AREAS THAT WERE LOOKING AT OUR VIEWPOINT ON THIS HAVING JUST GONE THROUGH IT BRIEFLY.

AS YOU WELL KNOW THERE IS A CATCHALL THAT SAYS ANY COVID 19 RELATED EXPENDITURE SO THE CBG FUNDS WERE USED FOR COVID SPECIFICALLY AS PART OF THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S ONE OF THE MANY IDEAS THAT WE LOOKED AT.

BUT BEFORE I SAY THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE DONE, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER REVIEW.

>> IF THAT'S THE CASE IS CAPABLE TO BE DONE. IT MAY BE AID IN THE -- IT

COULD BE REPLENISHED AS WELL. >> WE DISCUSSED THAT EARLY THIS MORNING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THE SAME WITH THE IDEA BEING RETURNING THEIR FUNDS

ALSO. >> IT HELPS ME TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE -- WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR POSSIBLY.

THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. WE AREN'T ADAMANTLY CONFIDENT THAT'S WHAT IS USED FOR.

THANK YOU. MS. ROSS?

>> MR. CHAIR, AS PART OF YOUR QUESTION, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE AGREEMENT WHERE THEY SAY THAT THE FUNDS ARE NOT A LAST RESORT WHERE IN SOME INSTANCES WE HAVE THAT FUNDING.

THESE FUNDS ARE NOT THOSE TYPES OF FUNDS. THEY'RE NOT LAST RESORT.

I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE LEEWAY TO BE ABLE TO CONSULT WITH ADMIN ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DISPERSING THE FUNDING REPLACING THE FUNDS THAN OTHER FUNDS THAT ARE LAST RESORT TYPE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T RUN TO THE OVERLAP WE DON'T TRIP OVER OURSELVES WITH ALL THE REGULATION. WE LAND AT PITFALL SOLELY OPPORTUNITY TO -- IT WOULD BE

APPRECIATED BY STAFF. >> THESE HAVE BEEN LEGITIMATE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN CLEARLY COVID RELATED THAT WERE NOT A LAST RESORT.

THEY ARE NOT BUDGETED ITEMS. THE VERY SERIOUS PARAMETERS. I THINK THERE IS THAT MUCH LEEWAY. I THINK WE HELPED RECOUP SOME DOLLARS AND REPLENISH DOLLARS REJUVENATE FUNDS THAT WERE ALREADY -- THAT'S EVEN MORE ATTRACTIVE AT THIS POINT.

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ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION HOWEVER WE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED, GENTLEMEN?

NOT ALL AT ONCE, PLEASE. >> I'M NOT SURE.

DO WE HAVE A DRAFT MOTION? >> IF THE GOAL IS TO PROCEED I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE MOTION. IT WOULD BE AUTHORIZING THE CHAIR -- THAT'S HOW IT CAME IN FRONT OF THE DIVISION. OR THE CHAIRS AUTHORIZED -- THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY.

>> AMI BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY CAME TO ME THROUGH ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE ON SATURDAY. SO YOU SIGN THIS AND SEND THIS BACK TO US?

>> WHEN I BEGAN TO DELVE INTO IT, I SAID NUMBER ONE, NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES. NUMBER TWO, WHEN I BEGAN TO READ THROUGH 19 PAGES, IT BECAME ALARMING TO ME SOME OF THE PARAMETERS. IT ALMOST LOOKS KIND OF FAKE AT ONE POINT. BUT NONETHELESS THEY CAME TO BE FOR ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE AND SATURDAY. I GUESS THEY FIGURED I'D SIGN IT AND MOVE ON.

BUT I GUESS SOME COUNTIES HAVE RECEIVED THEM BUT WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION TO DO SO IS THAT

CORRECT. >> IN THE FIRST WAY IT'S RECEIVED FOR DISBURSEMENT BEFORE THE AGREEMENT. YOU WERE NOT THE ONLY CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD WHO RECEIVED -- IN THE GUIDANCE TO PUT SOME GUIDANCE OUT.

ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO RECEIVE THE AGREEMENT AND THAT WAS -- THEY ANNOUNCED -- THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS THAT THE AGREEMENTS WERE GOING TO BE SENT TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD THE SAME WAY YOU GOT YOURS. AND I THINK MR. DOMINGO MAY HAVE GOTTEN A COPY AS WELL. BUT THEY ALL WENT OUT THE SAME WAY.

>> THAT'S WHY WENT TO. MR. JONES?

>> I'D LOVE TO GIVE STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURSUING OF FUNDING. SO WE HAVE SOME IDEA THE ORDER AND MAGNITUDE OF NOT JUST FUNDS IN THE CONDITIONS WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED, BY PERCENTAGE OF DATA WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT LET'S SEE FIRST IF WE EVEN NEED IT. I'M NOT GOING TO GUESS THAT WE DO OR DO NOT, BUT I WANT TO GIVE DUE TIME TO VET THIS AS YOU DO ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM.

IF THAT'S AGREEABLE TO THE REST OF THE BOARD. I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I TRUSTED HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD I'M OPEN TO THOSE IDEAS.

>> AMI, IF I MAY, >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, GO AHEAD.

>> ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WE COULD CONSIDER, I THINK, I THINK OUR NEXT GOVERNING BOARD MEETING IS

AFTER THE FOURTH OF JULY. >> JULY 7.

>> SEVEN. WELL, THAT SOME TIME THAT'S GOING TO ELAPSE.

AND I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN, IN HIS DISCRETION, ONCE HE IS SATISFIED WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE -- JUST FOR EXAMPLE WITH GOT AN EXTRA WEEK OR THE CHAIRMAN HAS GOT -- ISSUES OR QUESTIONS RESOLVED TO HIS SATISFACTION, I WOULD LIKE TO AUTHORIZING TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD IF HE SATISFIED WITH THOSE ANSWERS AND SIGN THE AGREEMENT. AND IF HE DOES NOT THAT WE CAN DISCUSS ON JULY 7. BUT HATE TO WAIT THREE WEEKS -- I HAVE COMPLETE FAITH IN MY CHAIRMAN THAT IS GOING TO MAKE SHOTGUN SURE THAT THIS COUNTY IS DOING THE RIGHT THING IN RESPECT TO THESE CURES FUNDS BEFORE SUNSET. SO MY MOTION WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN, IN HIS DISCRETION TO SIGN THE ITEM AND IF HE IS NOT COMFORTABLE OR THEY COME BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON JULY 7, I WAS SIMPLY -- I WOULD ASK THE

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>> IS SET. I THINK THERE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO SEND IT TO START WITH. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE DECIDE THIS AMONGST OURSELVES.

BUT I HAVE -- I WOULD HAVE A MUCH LARGER COMFORT LEVEL WITH STAFF HAVING LITTLE BIT MORE TIME LOOKING INTO THESE ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS WE HAVE ANSWERS FOR.

AND I'M CONFIDENT OF THAT IF WE HAVE A LONG TIME -- SO WE WOULDN'T SPEND THIS MUCH TIME ON. AND MUCH MORE TIMELY -- AND MUCH MORE TIMELY -- IT IS WHAT IT IS. I DON'T THINK THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO DISSIPATE BUT I HAVE HEARD WHAT OUR BOARD HAS TO SAY AND I THINK TRULY, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AS WELL BY DELVING INTO OR PERUSING THOSE 19 PAGES OF DOCUMENTATION.

SO BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. I WOULD NOT PUT US IN A BAD POSITION I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT. ANYTHING ELSE COMMISSIONER DEAN?

MR. WALDRON? >> I'M COMFORTABLE LOOKING.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES UNDERSTAND SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM ON THE HOOK. THE FUNDING IS REQUIRED BACK. IT'S NOT US FRONTING THE MONEY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEHOW WE GET THAT IN THERE WHEN WE DEAL WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES, WE MAY NEED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS -- THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE THE HOOK FOR THEIR MISTAKES. WE CAN HAVE THAT VERY CLEANLY

AND CLEARLY. >> YES, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY. LEGAL?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I LISTEN TO THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS -- I LISTENED TO COMMISSIONER DEAN'S MOTION.

I WOULD MAKE THESE COMMENTS I WOULD ASK THE DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY REGINA ROSS TO MAKE SURE I STAY IN THE LANES ON THIS. FIRST OF ALL, IF THE BOARD AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR TO EXECUTE THIS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE CHAIR HAS TO EXECUTED.

IN OTHER WORDS IT GIVES THE CHAIR'S AMOUNT OF TIME TO BASICALLY DO SOME HOMEWORK AS I THINK THE BOARD HAS BEEN DISCUSSING. SO THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, EVEN AFTER IT IS EXECUTED IN THE STATE PERMITS OR PROVIDES THE FIRST 25 PERCENT OF THE FUNDS UPFRONT, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THE COUNTY SPEND THOSE AS FAR AS I CAN DETERMINE.

IN OTHER WORDS EVEN IF THE COUNTY HAD THOSE AND THEN DETERMINED THAT THE EXPENSES WOULD BE COVERED SOME OTHER WAY ARE SOMEHOW NOT NEEDED, THE COUNTY COULD SEND -- I BELIEVE THE COUNTY COULD SEND THOSE BACK.

NUMBER THREE, WHAT THE BOARD COULD -- IT MAY BE BY IMPLICATION IT'S KIND OF DOING THIS, IS REQUIRE STAFF TO COME UP WITH A SORT OF A PLAN OF EXECUTION TO PROVIDE -- TO THE BOARD, PROVIDE TO THE BOARD BASICALLY THROUGH EMAIL, PUBLIC RECORD, ETC., BUT IT COULD EVEN BE -- YOU'RE RIGHT. THE NEXT REGULAR BCC MEETING IS NUMBER THREE WEEKS.

THE BOARD WILL HAVE -- WILL AT LEAST ADVERTISED WILL HAVE ADVERTISED TO HAVE -- I BELIEVE, A SPECIAL MEETING IN ONE WEEK AND AGAIN, COULD BE ATTENDED IN PERSON OR REMOTELY OR THAT TYPE OF THING. AND AT THAT TIME THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE.

I WILL SAY FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. HER HAVING A WORKSHOP ON THIS TOPIC TOMORROW JUST BECAUSE IT'S A BRAND-NEW THING. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND SOME OF THE -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE THE TALLAHASSEE BASED ATTORNEYS WITH THE FLORIDA'S ASSOCIATION OF THE COUNTIES ARE VERY MUCH IN TOUCH WITH THE -- DM, ETC.

ONCE HE IS IF THERE WAS A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CHURCH EXECUTE, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CHAIR HAS TO EXECUTE. AND IF THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXPECTATION WE CAN MAKE THIS EXPRESS IF YOU WANTED TO, THAT IF EXECUTED, FUNDS WILL NOT BE SPENT UNTIL THE BOARD HAS PROVIDED -- IS PROVIDED WITH BASICALLY AN EXECUTION PLAN OR HOWEVER THAT IS PHRASE.

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THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> AT THE RISK OF EXTENDING OUR MEETING ANY LONGER WANT TO THANK THE STATE FOR PUTTING THIS OUT AS QUICKLY AS THEY DID. IT'S ALMOST UNHEARD OF THIS BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON A SATURDAY IS IRONIC THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL CARRY OVER TO THE END OF THE YEAR SO IT'S NOT AS TIME SENSITIVE AS SOME ITEMS. THE GOVERNMENT IS KNOWN TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO PROCESS THINGS. AND WE NEED TO DO IT RESPONSIBLY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION. I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE HOW QUICKLY THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US.

I WANT TO THANK STAFF ARE PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY WITH THAT TO BUMP THE STEREOTYPE OF GOVERNMENT MOVING SLOWLY.

IT IS A COMPLEX CONTRACT AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S NO DO OVERS ONCE WE GET INTO IT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTING ON OUR CONSTITUENTS BEST INTEREST AND REVIEWS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED. I WANT TO THANK THE STATE FOR RECOGNIZING WHERE THE FUNDS ARE NEEDED. AND THEY WILL BE APPLIED EXPEDITIOUSLY. BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THIS RIGHT AND NOT RUSH IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF A DECISION THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

>> I COMPLETELY CONCUR. >> I THINK IT'S -- I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF WE CAN PUT THIS TOGETHER AND HAVE A PLAN OF EXECUTION. IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT -- WE CAN DO THAT AS A SPECIAL MEETING AND WE DO HAVE ONE NEXT TUESDAY THAT IS BEEN SCHEDULED. SO AFTER TODAY'S RECEPTION AND CONFIRMATION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO WILL HAVE ONE NEXT TUESDAY THAT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME WE CAN EXECUTED NECESSARY. I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE AND PRUDENT. WE HAVE SOME DIRECTION THAT IS CLEAR.

IS IT CLEAR TO STAFF WERE LOOKING FOR? IS ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION WITH? MS. ROSS.

>> MR. CHAIR, UNLESS THERE'S QUESTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO POST TO THIS DIVISION WAS ONE COMMISSIONER DEAN'S QUESTION WHICH I'LL REACH OUT THE DIVISION AND ASK ABOUT OF THE FUNDS ARE ACCEPTED, HOW ARE THEY DISPERSED? IF THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO ASK ME NOW FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THE ANSWERS TO

YOU. >> WE'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO EXPENDITURES AND WE DEFINITELY LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER ON HOPEFULLY WILL BE ABLE TO GET THEM THIS WEEK AND DISCUSS THEM NEXT TUESDAY OR MEETING IF WE COULD.

WE HAVE AN ITEM IN THERE THAT SAYS OTHER THAT GOOD COVERAGE, THE CARES REALLY FUN IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. ANYTHING ELSE TO COME FROM THE SIDE OF AT THIS POINT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I BELIEVE THIS COMPLETES OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

[Reports]

BEGIN WITH YOU. >> I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE OR FOUR THINGS TODAY. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START WITH WE HAD AN ARTIFICIAL READ PROGRAM THAT WE GIVE MONEY TO. WE DROP FREE STUFF OFF THE SHORE.

WE'VE HAD A LITTLE PICKUP WITH SOME MATERIALS THAT WAS DONATED TO US, HELD ON LAND THAT WAS OWNED BY THE AIRPORT THEY SWITCH TO FDO T. F DOT -- WE ARE TRYING TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE SECRETARY -- I QUALITY BOTH COMMISSIONER DEAN HE PRONOUNCES IT DIFFERENT.

BUT AROUND HERE IN STEAMBOAT. BUT THAT'S NOW HE PRONOUNCES IT -- I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE BOARD WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE THE CHAIRMAN SIGNING A LETTER THAT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE POSSESSION BACK OF HER MATERIAL. COINCIDING WITH THAT, THERE'S A WATERWAY DISTRICT MEETING TODAY AT 3 O'CLOCK. WE ARE GOING TO REQUEST FUNDS OF HUNDRED $25,000 TO MAKE A DROP OF MATERIAL AT ONE TIME SO WE CAN REMOVE IT FROM DOT PROPERTY.

WE FOUND -- I MEAN, STAFF HAS ESTIMATED THAT IF WE COULD TAKE MONEY OUT OF TOURIST DEVELOPMENT FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO PAY ARE PART OF IT WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME FUNDING FROM SOME OTHER GROUPS. I HAVE REACHED OUT -- AT TIMES IT PUT MORE MONEY TOWARD DROPPING MATERIALS. I KNOW WE HAVE EXTENDED THE LEAF PERMIT LAST WEEK.

THAT'S TWO LETTERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WRITE ONE ASKING FOR SUPPORT FOR BOARD WATERWAYS FOR SOME FUNDS FROM THEM AND ALSO A LETTER TO DOT TO GET THEM TO

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>>CHAIRMAN SMITH: IF YOU DON'T MIND JOY, IF YOU COULD.

>> HE COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU Ã IF YOU WOULD EXPLAIN WHERE THE 325,000 WILL COME FROM THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> THE FUNDS WERE ACTUALLY BUDGETED FOR A PREVIOUS CONTRIBUTOR -- SOUTH SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH PROJECT. THAT'S A 10 YEAR PROJECT. THE PROJECT THAT CAME IN WITH THE SAVING OF $320,000 WITH SOME CHANGES. IT WAS BUDGETED OUT OF CATEGORY THREE. SO THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THOSE FUNDS.

>> VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, HAS ANYONE -- FIND IS NOT DO THE READ PROJECTS.

THEY DO DRAGGING. THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND CARL LOWS ARE REPRESENTATIVE HAS BEEN ON TOP OF THIS, TOO. THEY'RE WILLING TO DO ANY SUPPORT LETTERS.

FWC DOES USE FUNDS WHICH WE HAVE AND WERE TRYING TO APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS.

IT'S SOMETHING OF BEEN TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT. THEY HAVE A FEW MORE STRINGS ATTACHED THE WHAT WE DO. WE LOOKING FOR THAT. IT COULD BE REIMBURSABLE.

THE BIG THING WOULD BE TO GET THIS OUT OF -- OFF THE DOT PROPERTY AT ONE TIME.

NORMALLY WE DO $50,000 EVERY COUPLE YEARS. AND THEY ARE COVERED -- THE STATE IS COVERED TO HELP US WITH MATERIAL. ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHERE SOME OF

THE ONES -- THEY GO OFFSHORE. >> HAVE WE CONSIDERED ANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO FUNDRAISING FOR NONPROFITS? WILL SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY.

>> YES. THEY HAVE BEEN CONTACTED AND THEY HAVE GIVEN MONEY IN THE PAST TO US. THEIR BIG TOURNAMENT IS ACTUALLY COMING UP.

THEIR FUNDRAISERS COMING UP IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. IT WAS ACTUALLY THE OLD-SCHOOL KINGFISH TOURNAMENT. I'VE NOT CALLED PAUL FRASER YET.

THEY HAD A HUGE TURNOUT THIS WEEKEND. I'M CALLING HIM TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME DONATIONS, TOO. THE OVERALL VALUE OF THE ANGLERS, FROM CARL WHEN THEY DID THE RESEARCH WITH THE MONEY TO BRING TO OUR ACCOUNT, AND IT'S A VERY -- I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T LOOK AT IT, BUT WE DON'T PUT A LOT OF EFFORT TOWARD THE RETURN.

THE KINGFISH TOURNAMENT THAT WAS THIS WEEKEND AHEAD 634 VOTES 2500 ANGLERS.

THEY WERE FROM FORT PIERCE AND NORTH CAROLINA 75 WERE FROM GEORGIA.

NOW THEY DISPERSED. THEY COULD GO OUT IN PONCE INLET -- ALL THE MARINAS WERE PULLED. HOTELS WERE FULL. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THE TOURISM DOLLARS. AND ONE THING ABOUT IT EVERYBODY'S NOTICED EVEN DURING COVID 19 OUR BOATING HAS PTREMENDOUSLY HELPED OUR ECONOMY.

IN SOME OF THE BIG BOATS -- SOMEBODY SENT ME A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE GAS COUNSELORS.

IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH. >> I MEAN THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT THE PROJECT IS ONCE WE GET IT DONE IT WILL LAST FOREVER.

>> A WEEK CONFIDENT THAT THE $450,000 WILL COVER IT, ALL OF THE DISBURSEMENT OF THAT ENTIRE

PILE. >> 40 $50,000 I DON'T BELIEVE IS GOING TO COVER THE ENTIRE PILE. IT'S BASED ON OUR HISTORICAL RATES WE RECEIVED. WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED IN THE PAST.

IT WAS A CLOSE ESTIMATE. THE CLOSEST ESTIMATE IS ACTUALLY $500,000.

BECAUSE OF THE $350,000 SAVING AND ON TOP OF THE POTENTIAL REQUEST WERE GOING TO MAKE TO THE PORTS FOR A MATCH OF $125,000, THAT'S THE CLOSEST WE COULD GET WITHIN THE GRANT CYCLE. WE TAKE IN MORE FUNDING FROM FWC LIKE MR. JOHN'S WAS SUGGESTING. IT HAS TO FALL WITHIN YOUR GRANT CYCLE.

SO 425 -- $450,000 IS WHAT WE CAN REASONABLY ACCOMPLISH AT THIS TIME.

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>> ALL RIGHT. THAT WILL PUT A BIG DENT IN IT. ALL RIGHT.

>> WILL WE MAY GET SOME COST SAVINGS TALKING TO CARL HE'S BEEN IN ALL THE PROJECTS.

IF WE MOBILIZE AT ONE TIME -- IF THEY HAD IT SET UP OR THEY COULD LOAD AT THE AIRPORT THAT HAVE SAVINGS. . THERE MAY BE A HUGE SAVINGS NOT HUGE, BUT -- DID YOU GET IT ALL? WHAT EXISTS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE READ PROJECT LETTERS TO THE DOT AND THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PORTER WATERWAY BEACH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD -- I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD NEED A CONSENSUS VOTE ON WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DISBURSEMENT OF THESE TWO -- SIGNING AND DISBURSEMENT OF THESE TWO LETTERS COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> ALWAYS PREPARED TO MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE TWO LETTERS,

>> TO HAVE A SECOND. >> HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALREADY.

>> MR. CHAIR, FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER DEAN, WOULD YOU CONSIDER SUBSTANTIAL IN THE FORM THERE'S JUST A COUPLE -- ADMINISTRATON HAVE PROVIDED A COPY OF THIS TO US EARLIER IN THE MEETING. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD WANT TO JUST TO CHECK BEFORE THE CHAIR SIGNS. IN THE LETTER GOING TO THE PORT WATERWAY BEACH DISTRICT IS NOT INTENDED TO GO TO THE MEETING AT 3 O'CLOCK.

>> HOPEFULLY. I THINK DESTROYING WAS GOING TO -- YES.

AND IF I -- IF I MAY ASK MS. SANDERS, SO THAT'S A LETTER TO THEM.

THEY ALSO REQUIRE THE FDO T LETTER AS WELL FOR TODAY OR COULD WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME -- THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO -- JUST DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

>> IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A PRESENTATION TO OUTLINE THE PROJECT SUMMARY AND THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE OUR PITCH FOR THE FUNDING REQUEST. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE LETTER

DRAFT DOT WILL BE REQUIRED. >> OKAY.

RIGHT. SO THE MOTION COULD JUST BE -- FOR THE FIRST LETTER ANYWAY I GUESS IT COULD BE FOR BOTH SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM OF THAT WOULD GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AND EASY TO TWEAK. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER DEAN ARE YOU ALL RIGHT WITH THAT?

>> WELL I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING.

>> @. >> ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE MEMO PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE.

(ROLL CALL). >> ALREADY.

WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? >> DOWN AT -- AND I'LL ASK -- SUMMER HAVEN, THERE WAS A -- A FEMA APPROVED PROJECT. IT WAS APPROVED, BUT THEY ONLY APPLIED THE NORTH PART OF THE RIVER. WE WOULD LIKE TO -- SOME OF THE RESIDENCE -- I KNOW I WOULD CONSIDER AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER DEAN TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT TRYING TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE PERMIT FOR THE SOUTH PART OF THE RIVER.

AND THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME. WE TRY TO GET THE PERMITTING IN PLACE IF WE HAVE TO DREDGE ANY MORE SAND. WE COULD TRY TO FINISH UP THAT PROJECT.

IT'S NOT TO ME -- ANYWAY TO DO THE PROJECT WHICH IS GIVING US --

>> MAY I ADD, THE PERMIT IS FOR A TEN-YEAR PERIOD SO WE ARE COVERED FOR 10 YEARS.

I'LL REMIND EVERYONE QUICKLY IF YOU GO BACK TO 2008 IT STARTED THE PROBLEMS WITH THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER FILLING IN IT'S A FACT THAT WE HAD SEVERAL NORTHEAST YEARS IN A ROW AND THE BEACH WAS BREACHED AND IT FILLED IN THE RIVER. IN THE COUNTY AT THE TIME ATTEMPTED TO GET AN EMERGENCY PERMIT FROM DEP WHICH WAS TO NO AVAIL.

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I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO -- IF WE CAN, THIS IS A WORKING PROCESS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO FINISH IT. AND WE COULD HAVE THAT IN OUR POCKET IN THE EVENT -- IT MAY NOT EVEN BE A FINANCIAL BURDEN MAY NOT BE ON US AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION.

BUT AGAIN, WE ARE UNDER NO COMMITMENT TO DO ANYTHING ONCE WE GET THE DEPARTMENT.

THAT WILL HAVE IN HER POCKET FOR 10 YEARS.

>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE

BOARD? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO CONTINUE WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND IDENTIFY $75,000 TOWARD THE COST OF THAT WHERE SAVINGS CAN BE IDENTIFIED BUT MAKE SURE WE GET IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN CASE THERE IS A HURRICANE BREACH.

>> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON TO HAVE A SECOND.

>> ALL SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE WILL PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE'LL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SOUTH SUMMER HAVEN RIVER MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NO, LET'S PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

(ROLL CALL). >> IT WAS A LONG DRAWNOUT

MEETING. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> JUST ONE MORE THING (LAUGHING) FOR TODAY. I RECEIVED SOME COMPLAINTS THE LAST FEW WEEKENDS. I TALKED TO DOUG ABOUT IT, BUT IS THE TRASH PICKUP AT THE BOAT RAMPS AT SOME OF THE BEACH ACCESS POINTS. I THINK WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR

THAT DOES THAT. >> I SPOKE TO DOUG ABOUT THE TRASH PICKUP. I THINK THE CONTRACTOR WAS NOTIFIED SO THE ISSUE.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS WRITING A LETTER OR WE NEED TO GET LEGAL.

MAKE THEM PERFORM THEIR CONTRACT OR REPORTED OUT SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE

AT. >> YES.

A LETTER WOULD BE ONE OF THE OPTIONS. QUICKSILVER TIME IS THEIR TIME TO SHINE. THAT EASY WINTER. IT'S TIME TO STEP IT UP.

OKAY. THANKS.

>> ANY ACTION ON THAT? >> I THINK TORONTO.

VERY GOOD. I THINK THAT'S IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? THANK YOU. SIR.

WITH THE RNC COMING TO OUR COUNTY LIKE TO FIND A BUYER NEXT MEETING WHAT ACTIVITIES, EVENTS, EXPERIENCES PEOPLE CAN EXPECT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THIS IS GOING TO BE A REGIONAL POSITIVE BENEFIT FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE. I'VE HEARD THE RUMOR THAT ARE HOTELS ALREADY THAT FOR THAT TIME PERIOD. PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAKE A FULL WEEKEND OF IT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE CAN COME TO EXPECT IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. WHILE WE ONLY HAVE WEEKS RATHER THAN MONTHS TO PREPARE FOR I SUSPECT WERE MORE THAN READY TO DO SO WITH THE DESERT PEOPLE TO GET BACK OUT AND SOCIALIZE IN A SAFE MANNER. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OUR -- ANY OTHER IN THE ARTS EDUCATION VENUES HAVE IN MIND FOR VISITORS THAT WILL BE COMING IN DROVES FROM LITERALLY AROUND

THE WORLD. >> ONE THING ON THAT, TO ADMINISTRATION, IT COULD BE A THING -- COMMUNITY DELEGATES ARE PROBABLY ALREADY DESIGNATED WHO THE DELEGATES ARE GOING TO BE I KNOW THEY ARE FOR FLORIDA. IF WE COULD GET THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESSES AND SEND THEM SOMETHING AND INVITE THEM TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO STAY, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING FOR THE -- WE RAN SHORT ON TIME YESTERDAY.

BUT IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT OPTION LIKE MR. JOHNSON, THAT WOULD BE A TARGET INDUSTRY TO SAY WE ARE HERE. EVEN THE MEDIA OUTLETS THAT WE NOW HEY, COME TO ST. JOHN'S FOR

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>> WE ROLL OUT THE WELCOME MAT FOR TCP AT OTHER EVENTS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PEOPLE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DEMONSTRATE ACCOLADES THAT WE'VE ACQUIRED OVER THE YEARS AND PUT THEM TO GOOD USE.

I LIKE TO GET SOME INFORMATION MAY BE A SIMPLE PRESENTATION AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.

>> DO WE NEED A FULL MOTION ON THAT?

>> YES. I THINK WE NEED CONSENSUS TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, THERE ARE A LOT OF HEADSHAKING HOW ABOUT

YOU? >> MR. CHAIRMAN I'LL AGREE WITH

THAT. >> OKAY.

>> TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE RNC COMING TO JACKSONVILLE IN THE PRESENTATION IS WELCOME PRESENTATION MR. CHAIRMAN I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> THAT'S IT.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> JUST QUICKLY.

THIS SATURDAY MORNING IS THE DEDICATION CEREMONY FOR CHIEF MARTIN.

AND I HOPE THOSE WHO CAN, WE REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD HERE ABOUT A WONDERFUL JOB HE DID FOR THE CHILDREN SHORT SATURDA MORNING AT 9 O'CLOCK.

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. REGRETFULLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND WILL BE OUT OF TOWN AT A WEDDING. DELAY MY REGRETS.

>> WHERE AND WHEN WILL THAT BE? >> MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE THAT.

>> IS SATURDAY JUNE >> IS SATURDAY, JUNE 20 IT CAME FROM MS. KENDALL.

IT'S GOING TO BE FROM 9 AM TO FROM 9 AM TO 9:30 AM.

>> IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

>> I DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET ANYTHING OFFICIAL EITHER, GENERALLY THE ONLY REASON I KNOW IS THAT MY LAW SCHOOL WHO MADE 50 YEARS AGO IT WAS KEITH'S BROTHER-IN-LAW'S COMING OVER AND WANTING TO STAY WITH ME (LAUGHING) I'M LIKE OH I'LL GO WITH YOU TO THE CEREMONY.

>> I KEEP TRYING HELP YOU OUT YEARS AGO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

NO, SIR. >> I WILL SURE MISS YOU.

>> I MISS YOU ALL AS WELL. LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING BACK SOON.

>> ARE WORKING ON YOUR 10 IN MIAMI.

>> I WAS. WE HAD THE MASS CONDO HERE. THE TEAM LINES LOOK WEIRD.

>> I HOPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE WELL AND WISH YOU A SAFE RETURN QUICKLY.

>> WERE FINISHING UP MOVEMENT THAT'S BEEN GOOD QUALITY QUALITY IS BEEN FAIR.

PRICE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD AND THROUGHOUT THE HARVEST THIS YEAR.

RAINS ARE STILL A LITTLE DRYER AND SPOTS AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE COUNTY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THE CONCERNS FOR WILDFIRE HAS BEEN SQUELCHED. THAT WAS A CONCERN HERE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. NOW THAT'S NO LONGER DEFINITELY AS -- AS HEIGHTENED AS IT WAS AT ONE POINT. THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO SAY IS HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO EVERYBODY. ADMIN?

>> NOTHING, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

AND COMMISSIONERS. CANVASSING BOARD. THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WAS IN TODAY. SHE DID GIVE HER BUDGET REPORT AND ALONG WITH THE SUPERVISOR ELECTION DUTIES, THE CANVASSING BOARD WILL NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED FOR THE UPCOMING, I BELIEVE IT'S AUGUST 18 PRIMARY. AND SHE WOULD ALSO LIKE, AS SOON AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE THE BOARD IDENTIFIED FOR THE NOVEMBER 3 GENERAL ELECTION. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS THE CANVASSING BOARD GENERAL MAKEUP.

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SIGNING AND ENDORSEMENT CARD FOR A CANDIDATE. ATTENDING A CANDIDATE'S CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISER OR OBVIOUSLY, BEING PART OF THEIR ACTUAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN.

SO, WITH THAT SAID, IF I MAY, I GUESS -- I'M HOPING TO IDENTIFY WHETHER THERE ARE ANY ELIGIBLE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, PERTAINING TO THE CANVASSING BOARD FOR THIS , YOU KNOW, PERTAINING TO THE CANVASSING BOARD FOR THIS AUGUST 18 PRIMARY GIVEN THAT -- ANYONE THAT HAS -- IS A CANDIDATE AND HAS OPPOSITION WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE OR ANYONE IS SORE I THINK REASONABLY BELIEVES TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT DESCRIPTION

GIVEN. >> ALL-STAR.

AS THE CHAIRMAN I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE 18TH, THE NIGHT OF THE 18TH A SCHEDULING

CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER MEETING. >> IT DOES -- ONE OF THE THINGS I SHOULD'VE MENTIONED, ANY MEMBER OF THE COUNTY CANVASSING BOARD IS UNABLE TO SERVE -- AND I GUESS I WOULD BE A JUDGMENT CALL THERE, BUT THAT IS ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE EITHER BEING A CANDIDATE OR THE ACTIVE PARTICIPANT.

>> I BE WILLING TO DO IT IF I DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONFLICT. BUT I DO HAVE A SCHEDULING CONFLICT. SO THEN, IF THE CHAIR IS UNABLE TO SERVE OR IS DISQUALIFIED THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SHALL APPOINT AS A SUBSTITUTE MEMBER ONE OF ITS MEMBERS.

SO, IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU FIVE -- I THINK, TO TAKE ANOTHER ONE OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO SERVE ON THE CANVASSING BOARD. THIS IS EVEN BEFORE GETTING TO THE ALTERNATE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THEN, OF ANY OF YOU FIVE, INCLUDING COMMISSIONER BLOCKER ON THE PHONE, ARE ANY OF YOU FIVE THAT ARE NOT A CANDIDATE THAT WILL BE HAVING OPPOSITION IN THE PRIMARY OR UNABLE TO SERVE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER OR REASONABLY BELIEVES WILL BE

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RESTRICTIONS? >> GIVEN THE PARAMETERS ESTABLISHED BY MR. MCCORMICK HAS JUST SPOKEN, ANYONE ELIGIBLE?

>> I'M NOT LOOKING FOR MORE WORK. I'M ELIGIBLE.

>> JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, THOUGH, WITHOUT BEING AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT AS I HAD MENTIONED IN SORT OF DESCRIBED THAT -- IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO REREAD THE SECOND.

>> I HEARD YOU FINE. I SAID I'M NOT GOING TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE PRIMARY ELECTION ON AUGUST 18. I AM A CANDIDATE THAT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 6. IF YOU SO CHOOSE, I'LL FULFILL THAT ROLE.

>> I SECOND. >> WE'VE GOT ONE HUMBLE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, HOW ABOUT YOU AS WELL, ARE YOU ELIGIBLE?

>> WELL, I APPRECIATE MR. MCCORMICK BRINGING THIS UP. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION PRIOR TO, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TAKE I HAVE MY HANDFULS MY HANDS FULL WITH OTHER STUFF MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I'M NOT INVOLVED IN A POLITICS RIGHT NOW.

SO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN TAKE ON THIS COMMITMENT OR SATISFY THOSE DATES.

SO, >> WILL THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER DEAN YOUR QUALIFIED AND WILLING TO DO SO.

IN THE BOARD, I THINK I HEARD A MOTION TO DO SO.

>> YES. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>>. >> I CAN'T DO IT.

I'M NOT ELIGIBLE. >> ALL RIGHT.

A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I'M STOLEN FROM YOU BECAUSE UNLIKE GENERALLY IS ME GETTING EVERYTHING PUT ON. I LIKE IT WHEN HE GOES THE OTHER WAY AND I'M KIND OF STUNNED AT THIS POINT (LAUGHING).

>> TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT. >> WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CANVASSING BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. WAS NO DISCUSSION, WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE VOTE (ROLL CALL).

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS.

>> HAVE NEVER DONE IT. >> IT'S A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

ABSOLUTELY. >> MR. CHAIR, THEN THE NEXT STEP IS TO IDENTIFY AN ALTERNATE BECAUSE EACH OF THE POSITIONS OF THE CANVASSING BOARD, THEY HAVE APPOINTED POSITIONS, BUT ALSO AN ALTERNATE.

THE ALTERNATE WOULD SORTA BE UNDER THE SAME RESTRICTIONS OR PARAMETERS AND HAVING LISTENED TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, I DO NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ELIGIBLE,

AVAILABLE ALTERNATE. >> NOT FROM THE BOARD.

>> ALL RIGHT. IN WHICH CASE, I WILL NOTIFY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS CHIEF JUDGE AND THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE CIRCUIT CAN APPOINT THE ALTERNATE AND THAT SORT OF

STANDARD. >> ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S THE COMPLETION FOR THAT ITEM. THE NEXT ITEM -- I GUESS MY LAST ITEM, LIKE TO BRING UP, THERE IS A -- A FLORIDA STATUTE THAT PERTAINS TO NATURAL EMERGENCIES WHERE THE EXTENSION OF CERTIN DEVELOPMENT ORDERS IS EXTENDED.

ONE MOMENT WHILE I FIND MY NOTES ON THAT YES. SECTION SECTION 250 2.363.

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AND IN THE CASE OF AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY -- AT ALL TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS IN A MOMENT, THE DECLARATION OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY ISSUED BY THE GOVERNOR FOR A NATURAL EMERGENCY TOOLS THE. REMAINING TO EXERCISE THE RIGHTS UNDER A PERMIT OR OTHER AUTHORIZATION FOR THE DURATION OF THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION. FURTHER, THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION EXTENDS THE PERIOD REMAINING TO EXERCISE THE RIGHTS UNDER A PERMIT OR OTHER AUTHORIZATION FOR SIX MONTHS IN ADDITION TO THE TOLD PERIOD. SO THAT GOES TO THE EXPIRATION OF THE SPELLMAN ORDER, BUILDING PERMIT, AND ALSO IF THE PERMIT OR OTHER AUTHORIZATION FOR PHASED CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS EXTENDED, THE COMMENCEMENT AND COMPLETION DATES FOR ANY REQUIRED MITIGATION -- FOR EXAMPLE, REQUIRED ROADBUILDING OF THAT TYPE OF THING, OR EXTENDED SUCH THAT THE MITIGATION ACTIVITIES OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME FRAME RELATIVE TO THE PACE ORIGINALLY PERMITTED.

IN OTHER WORDS NOT JUST A PERMIT OR AN ORDER IS EXTENDED, BUT ALSO THE REQUIRED MITIGATION. I HAD ASKED GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO LOOK AT WHAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS OR GUESTS DELVE MEANT APPROVED THE PROJECTS WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS IF IT WERE FOUND TO BE A NATURAL EMERGENCY. THERE WERE FOUR.

I WILL JUST READ THEM. THE COUNTY ROAD 210 FOUR LANE TO SIX LANE WIDENING PROJECT, CITY WILL SEND YOU -- COUNTY ROAD 210. ADDITIONALLY LONG LEAF PINE WIDENING. THAT'S VETERANS PARKWAY. AND THIRDLY VETERANS PARKWAY FOUR LANE LIGHTNING RACETRACK ROAD TO LONGLEAF PINE AND STATE ROAD 16 AND GIACOMO TO GRANT 06 EASTERN ENTRANCE. SO, THAT IS THE STATUTE. IN A GOES TO WHETHER THERE WAS A NATURAL EMERGENCY.

AND IF THERE IS ACTUALLY ONE, I THINK RECOGNIZED THE STAGE, THAT TAKES NO ACTION RECOGNITION BY THE BOARD IS REQUIRED. SO FAR, WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS THAT THE DB PPR HAS CONSIDERED COVID 19 TO BE A NATURAL EMERGENCY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THAT STATUTE AND FOR THE -- SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT THE BOARD WISH TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THIS COVID 19 AS A NATURAL EMERGENCY UNDER THAT STATUTE? I THINK FOR TODAY, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE ASKING THE BOARD TO APPROVE ANY SUCH PROCLAMATION. I JUST KINDA WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC. AND I WILL PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AND MR. CHAIR, MAYBE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THIS MATTER -- I THINK, ALSO PERHAPS OTHER BUSINESS OR AGENDA ON THE SPECIAL MEETING. THAT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME TO VENT THIS TO SEE WHAT THE POSITION IN THE OTHER STATE AGENCY IS TAKING ON THIS. I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC OF THE POTENTIAL EFFECT IF IT WAS RECOGNIZED FOR THESE TIME EXTENSIONS UNDER THAT STATUTE. SO MR. CHAIR, I WOULD BE INTRODUCING THAT ISSUE TO THE BOARD AND I WOULD ATTEMPT TO BRING THAT ISSUE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION AFTER HAVING VETTED IT MORE THOROUGHLY.

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>> IS THE BOARD RECEPTIVE TO THE PREPARATION OF A PROCLAMATION BE PRESENTED AT A SPECIAL MEETING ON ON JUNE 23 IN CONSIDERATION OF DEVELOPMENT AND EXTENSIONS BY DECLARING COVID 19 TO BE A NATURAL EMERGENCY? IT WILL BE 8:30 AM.

>> I MEAN I THINK IS MOST APPROPRIATE AND THIS FITS ONTO THAT NICELY.

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

>> OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU DO ON THAT BECAUSE THE ACTUAL ITEM WILL BE HEARD AND OPEN TO PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE PREPARATION OF THAT PROCLAMATION.

>> AND MR. CHAIR THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

>> MR. MACCORMACK IS COMPLETE. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THIS

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