Jun 02, 2020 Board of County Commissioners

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I NOW CALL TO ORDER THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. THIS IS JUNE 2ND, 2020. GOOD MORNING.

THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS BEING CONDUCTED CONSISTENT WITH GOVERNOR DESANTIS EXECUTIVE ORDER 20-69, SUSPENDING THE REQUIREMENT OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM AND PROVIDING FOR A VIRTUAL QUORUM DUE TO THE STATE OF EMERGENCY IN THE STATE RESULTING FROM THE SPREAD OF THE NOVEL CORONAVIRUS COVID-19.

IN ORDER TO FURTHER MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS, REDUCE RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A MEANS TO COMMENT DURING THE MEETING WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS INCLUDING E-MAIL, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING VIA GTV OR BY STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE PROVIDES THE TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL IN TO THE MEETING, EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED THAT PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING WHO DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT.

THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED.

FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO COMMENT, IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL, PLEASE CALL BACK.

CONTINUE TO WATCH GTV WHILE YOU'RE COMMENTING BECAUSE THE THREE MINUTE TIMER WILL BE VISIBLE TO YOU. PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE WHILE YOU'RE WAITING TO COMMENT.

THERE MAY BE A FIVE TO NINE SECOND DELAY IN VISUAL PRESENTATIONS AND PERHAPS A 30-SECOND DELAY IN VERBAL RESPONSE TIMES. MEETING MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES. YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS ALL OF THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. TODAY WE WILL BE CONDUCTING OUR VOTE VIA ROLL CALL, WE DO HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT IS DOING REMOTELY TODAY.

WITH THAT, I'LL NOW ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> CHAIR COMMISSIONER JEB

SMITH. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER

JEREMIAH BLOCKER. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER JAMES JOHNS.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON. >> HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN. >> HERE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF EVERYONE WILL PLEASE STAND, MR. KEN WILCOX WILL HAVE OUR INVOCATION.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> LET US COME TOGETHER IN PRAYER AND CONSCIOUSNESS.

THIS MORNING, WHEN OUR NATION IS REELING FROM ILLNESS AND FROM DISTURBANCE AND TURMOIL OF EVERY KIND, THAT HERE, NOW, WE CAN CHOOSE TO KNOW SOMETHING BETTER FOR OURSELVES, THAT RIGHT WHERE WE ARE FLOWS ALL OF THE WISDOM AND COMPASSION OF SPIRIT.

SO HERE TODAY, LET US CHOOSE TO LIFT OUR EYES TO A BETTER UNDERSTANDING FOR OURSELVES, EACH OTHER, THIS COMMUNITY, OUR NATION AND THE WORLD. LET US CHOOSE TO SEE EACH OTHER AS SPIRIT SEES US. AND LET US REMEMBER THAT OFFERING A HAND OF COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING IS NOT A SIGN OF WEAKNESS. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS. HERE TODAY, LET US KNOW THAT THIS MEETING THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THIS COMMUNITY, BY OFFERING UNDERSTANDING TO ONE ANOTHER, WHEN WE AGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER, WHEN WE PARTICULARLY DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO HERE TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND WITH OUR WORDS. WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDERSTANDING.

AND WE ARE GOING TO BE KIND WITH OUR TIME. WE KNOW THAT THIS MEETING WILL ALLOW THIS COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD IN GREATER AND DYNAMIC WAYS.

AND THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AS SPIRIT IS CALLING US TO HAVE A BETTER AND BRIGHTER COMMUNITY FOR OURSELVES, EACH OTHER, AND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THIS IS OUR TRUTH, WE CELEBRATE AND WE REJOICE IN THIS RIGHT. WE RELEASE THIS PRAYER ON TO THE MIND OF GOD.

BOLD AND DYNAMIC WORK. RETURNING TO US MULTIPLIED ABUNDANTLY.

TOGETHER WE SAY AMEN AND SO IT IS. >> GOOD MORNING.

PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY.

FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IS STANDS, 1 NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NR GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.O NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.N UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. S UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.T UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.E

UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE

SEATED. >> ARE THERE ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> NO, SIR. >> MR. CHAIR, WAS THERE GOING TO BE A SORT OF GENERAL PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. I SKIPPED IT ON THE LIST.

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>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> GOOD MORNING, AGAIN. AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL

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EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM. COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH ANY PERSONAL AND SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS OFFINALLY, ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD. WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> SHERI BADGER. 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. GOT A FEW MORE PICS FOR Y'ALL DURING THE RAIN THE OTHER DAY. I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING THAT LOOKED INTO COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING CODE ENFORCEMENT COME OUT AND WRITE CITATIONS COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

BUT THEY CAME OUT EARLY. THEY CAME OUT FOUR DAYS BEFORE THE COUNTY OPENED.

IT WAS LIKE A FLYING DAY TRUCK STOP THROUGH THERE THE NEXT WEEK, SINCE 95 PERCENT OF THE

BUSINESSES WERE CLOSED. I'M GOING TO SHOW Y'ALL >> BRING IT TOWARDS THE MIDDLE.

>> YOUR STAFF HAS CAME OUT AND THEY DID LOOK, THAT IS WHAT THEY DID.

THEY LOOKED. OKAY. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU GUYS WHERE THIS WATER IS COMING FROM. WHERE THIS FOUR-FOOT DITCH IS MISSING NOW. THIS WATER IS COMING OFF THIS HILL, STANDING IN THE ROAD, THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE WATER STANDING AND I'M STANDING RIGHT HERE.

OKAY. THE SAME TIME, FIVE MINUTES LATER IT WAS THIS WEEK.

THE PROBLEM IS, GENTLEMEN, THESE GUYS ARE MISSING THEIR 20-FOOT BUFFER.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A WAIVER FOR NOT HAVING A BUFFER. YOUR STAFF AND THE LANDOWNER KNEW THIS. RIGHT HERE SHOWS YOU THEY DO NOT HAVE THEIR 20-FOOT BUFFER.

I WANT MY DITCH BACK. ALL RIGHT. GOD BLESS YOU GUYS.

YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY. MY NAME IS RICHARD MARK. GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

I WILL START WITH A QUOTE FROM SANDRA JACKSON, VICE PRESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY SERVICES SMA HEALTH CARE. QUOTE, PUTNAM ST. JOHNS COMMUNITY TREATMENT TEAM SERVES 100 OF THE MOST SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL IN OUR COMMUNITY. THESE INDIVIDUALS UTILIZE SERVICES LIKE CRISIS STABILIZATION UNITS, BAKER ACTS, EMERGENCY ROOMS AT HOSPITALS, JAILS. THE TEAM WHICH CONSISTS OF THERAPISTS, NURSES, WORKS TIRELESSLY ON KEEPING THESE QUOTES OUT OF THESE DEEP END SERVICES.

SOME RECENT EDITORIAL HEADLINES FROM MAY 2020, DON'T CUT MENTAL HEALTH FUNDING, ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD, MAY 12TH. FUNDS NEEDED FOR SURGE OF MENTAL ILLNESS.

THE FLORIDA TIMES UNION, MAY 14TH. FLORIDA TIMES UNION MAY 17TH.

CONCERNS ABOUT A SUICIDE SURGE. THE FLORIDA TIMES UNION MAY 23RDRD.

WHILE ON THE SUBJECT OF SUICIDE, ON AVERAGE, ONE PERSON DIES BY SUICIDE EVERY TWO HOURS IN OUR STATE. THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH, AGES 25 TO 35, THIRD LEADING CAUSE, AGES 10 TO 24. THESE PRE-PANDEMIC NUMBERS ARE PROJECTED TO BECOME WORSE.

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I'M AWARE YOU DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET IN TALLAHASSEE, BUT YOU HAVE MORE THROW WEIGHT WITH OUR LEGISLATORS. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN LISTENING TO PEOPLE LIKE ME.

MAYBE THEY WILL LISTEN TO YOU EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A GROUP.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SOME COMMUNITY. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY. AND OUR PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO BE PUT IN HARM'S WAY. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A PROACTIVE ROLE IN THIS MESS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I SEE WE HAVE TWO CALLS. BEAR WITH US ONE MINUTE. TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYBODY HEARD FROM. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NOBODY ON THE PHONE LINES.

>> NOBODY ON THE PHONES. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER DEAN, DO YOU HAVE

SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. >> IN RESPONSE TO THE PRESENTATION, I THINK IT'S VERY VERY CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE STATE FUNDING CONTINUED FOR THE FACT PROGRAM. I'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH SHERIFF SHORE AND SEVERAL WITH REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS PROGRAM IS.

I WOULD RECOMMEND, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE BUDGET HAS TO BE ACTED ON THIS MONTH BY JUNE 30TH, EITHER BY THE LEGISLATURE OR GOVERNOR, THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH OR WITHOUT ANY VETO ITEMS ON THE APPROPRIATIONS ACT OR THERE MAY BE A SPECIAL SECTION. ALL THAT SAID, SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS MONTH.

I WOULD RECOMMEND AND ASK THE LEGAL IF WE COULD SIMPLY HAVE A CONSENSUS TO SEND A LETTER SIGNED BY THE CHAIRMAN IF IT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE LEGISLATURE NOT REDUCE ANY FUNDING TO THE FACT PROGRAM FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

>> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? >> MR. CHAIR, I WILL ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT.

IF IT MIGHT BE THAT SOMEBODY HAD CALLED IN AND DROPPED OUT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD BE FAIRLY OPEN TO IF SOMEBODY HAD TRIED TO CALL AND CALLED BACK.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A CALLER THIS TIME AROUND?

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COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> HEY, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. GO AHEAD.

>> I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT I DID WANT TO PIGGY BACK WHAT WAS JUST SAID BY OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IN REGARDS TO THE FIRE WATCH, I DID HAVE INFORMATION I WANTED TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD. I CAN SAVE IT FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS FOR LATER.

I WANT TO MENTION THAT. >> LET'S DO THAT, COMMISSIONER. >> MR. CHAIR MR. RYAN HAS INFORMED ME, I THINK PERHAPS OBVIOUS, THERE WAS A TECHNICAL HICCUP IN RECEIVING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THE BOARD EITHER COULD DO A PAUSE TO ALLOW THAT TECHNICAL PROBLEM TO BE REMEDIED OR YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY MOVE IN TO AN ITEM AND THEN COME BACK TO THE

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S OPTIONS. >> AT THIS POINT I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT. IF WE NEED TO HAVE A RECESS, IF THAT IS RECOMMENDED.

DO WE KNOW HOW LONG, MICHAEL? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE A 10-MINUTE RECESS TO TRY TO GET THESE TECHNICAL GLITCHES HANDLED SO WE'LL RECONVENE AT 9:28.

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COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> OKAY. >> WAIT TO BE BUZZED IN.

GOOD MORNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRINGING COURT. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

YOU ALWAYS SEE A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. YOU HAVE A LOT OF DECISIONS TO MAKE. YOU ONLY HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES THAT YOU CAN HIRE AND FIRE.

COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. BUT ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT COME NEED MONEY, YOU CAN SCRUTINIZE THEM AND SPEAK TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

GENTLEMEN, TODAY, I ASK YOU TO SPEAK TO SHERIFF DAVID SHORE. I ASK THAT YOU ASK DAVID SHORE TO PUT BODY CAMERAS ON DEPUTIES AND TO PUT DASHBOARD CAMS IN EVERY SINGLE DEPUTY CAR THERE IS. YOU KNOW THIS RECENT INCIDENT EXPOSES A LOT, BUT IT'S GONE ON HERE A LONG TIME. JUST RECENTLY HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, A DEPUTY WAS FILMED BEATING A MENTALLY ILL MAN WHO WAS HANDCUFFED, FORMER DEPUTY WAS FIRED BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR HIM TO BE PROSECUTED. WE KNOW HERE THERE IS NOTHING . A CAMERA SAYS EVERYTHING.

IT TELLS THE TRUTH. BODY CAMERAS TELL THE TRUTH. WE KNOW THAT THE SHERIFF BEFORE

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THERE IS NO PRIVACY ISSUE. WHAT IS IT, TRUTHFUL ISSUE. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT WITH BODY CAMERAS. I HAVEN'T MET A RESIDENT IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, ST. AUGUSTINE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT DOESN'T THINK ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT NEED BODY CAMERAS AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS. SO GENTLEMEN, TODAY, I ASK THAT YOU, WHETHER IT'S IN YOUR ELECTED OFFICIAL CAPACITY OR PRIVATE CITIZEN CAPACITY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT. AND YOU COULD BE SPEAKING UP IN YOUR PRIVATE CITIZEN CAPACITY, IF YOU DON'T, THE BOARD DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE IT ON AS A WHOLE. SO TODAY, COMMISSIONERS, THAT IS WHAT I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU WITH. BODY CAMERAS AND DASHBOARD CAMERAS FOR ALL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY DEPUTIES. I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT TO GO POLITICAL, BUT CHRIS STRICKLAND, THE FORMER SHERIFF WAS RUNNING AGAINST ROBERT, HE IS FOR BODY CAMERAS, FOR DASHBOARD CAMERAS. DAVID SHORE AND BARRY FOX ARE NOT. I FIND IT DRAWERS THAT THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WOULD BE AGAINST THE TRUTH. WOULD BE AGAINST VIDEO CAMS. WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD DEPUTIES. WE KNOW THAT. BUT IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR PROSECUTION. CHRIS STRICKLAND, RUNNING FOR SHERIFF.

HE WANTS BODY CAMERAS. WANTS DASHBOARD CAMERAS. BUT I WISH YOU COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WOULD INSIST ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PUTTING IN THE CAMERAS FOR THEIR BUDGET.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH GENTLEMEN. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE HARD WORK YOU DO.

>> THANK YOU, TOM >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE THAT I THINK JUST SORT OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC ISSUE ABOUT THE BODY CAMERAS AND DASHBOARDS, WHATNOT, THAT MAY BE A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION I THINK WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I THINK WHAT CANDIDATE IS DOING WHAT PERTAINING TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY VOTE ON ANY ELECTION OF CANDIDATES FOR THAT OFFICE.

SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF OUTSIDE YOUR PURVIEW. SO THE GENERAL ISSUE, BODY CAMERAS, THAT IS A DISCUSSION ISSUE. IT COULD BE.

BUT SUPPORTING WHAT PARTICULAR CANDIDATE, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE

BOARD'S PURVIEW. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, PLEASE STATE

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> ED SLAVEN, FIRST I WANT TO AGREE WITH SHERI BADGER AND TOM REYNOLDS AND WHAT THEY SAID IN THEIR STATEMENTS. I WANT TO THANK CONGRESSMAN WALTZ AND THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION GENERAL COUNSEL AND THE UNDER SECRETARY DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS. WE DID GET THE FLAGS ON ALL OF THE GRAVES AT THE ST. AUGUSTINE NATIONAL CEMETERY THIS YEAR. SMALL CEREMONY, VERY FEW PEOPLE WERE THERE.

BUT WE'VE HAD THE FLAGS AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO HELPED ON THAT.

I DO THINK IT IS WITHIN THE BOARD'S PURVIEW ON BODY CAMERAS.

LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. SHERIFF SHORE SAID IN DEBATE FOUR YEARS AGO, DEBRA MAYNARD, HE ACTUALLY SAID SITTING IN ONE OF THOSE CHAIRS WHERE YOU ARE, COUNTY COMMISSIONER AUDITORIUM, HE SAID IT WAS A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT COPS NEED TO BE WATCHED.

WE REJECT THAT PROPOSITION. IT'S UN-AMERICAN. CONTRARY TO THE GENIUS OF FREE PEOPLE. COULD WE PUT ON THE NOVEMBER 3RD BALLOT A REFERENDUM, BINDING OR NON-BINDING WHATEVER THE LAW ALLOWS ON BODY CAMERAS.

LET'S BE DONE WITH IT. LET'S NOT HAVE ANY MULARKY, FROM SHERIFF DAVID SHORE.

HE HAS COVERED UP NOW TWO MURDERS. ONGOING PODCAST IS REVEALING A LOT OF DETAILS THAT WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT. FURTHERMORE, I WAS GOING TO ASK, COUNTY THROUGH INTER-GOVERNMENTAL RELATION CHANNELS, ST. AUGUSTINE PORT WATERWAY AND BEACH DISTRICT, PLANNING ZONE TELL TO STOP HOLDING MEETINGS THAT CONFLICT WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. IT'S NOT HARD FOLKS.

IT'S ONLY TWO CITIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I THINK THE COMMISSION MEETINGS OUGHT TO COME FIRST. WE OUGHT NOT TO HAVE TO CHOOSE TO ATTEND ONE OR THE OTHER.

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AND WHEN DO WE GET TO QUESTION THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, LIKE DAVID SHORE AND OAKS ABOUT THEIR BUDGET IN PUBLIC, GET MEANINGFUL RESPONSES.

TWO, TWO AND A HALF DAY MEETING APPARENTLY. WHY WASN'T IT VIDEOTAPED? MR. CONRAD IS GOING DOWN THE SAME ROAD AS MR. WALCHEK IN SHOWING CONTEMPT FOR OUR RIGHT TO KNOW AND PARTICIPATE. THOSE BUDGET MEETINGS NEED TO BE DONE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO OTHER

PHONE CALLS. >> ALL RIGHT. NO OTHER PHONE CALLS, WE'RE BACK. COMMISSIONER DEAN HAD MADE A COMMENT EARLIER, WE HAD TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD?

ANY DIRECTION FROM ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? >> YES.

I WOULD LIKE TO STATE I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD SEND A LETTER STATING OUR THOUGHTS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE CUT. IT'S BEEN A GOOD PROGRAM. I THINK FIRE WATCH WOULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM. I HATE TO SEE IT TAKE A STEP BACKWARDS FROM WHERE WE'VE BEEN

HEADING. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> THIS THE COMMISSIONER BLOCK. I WOULD ECHO THE COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONER DEAN AND

COMMISSIONER WALDRON RIGHT NOW ND SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. >> MEASURE JOHNS.

ROGRAM IN OUR COUNTY. WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT WE KNOW HOW TO MANAGE MONEY VERY WELL BUT WE'VE GOT TO RELY ON THE STATE TO CONTINUE FUNDING.

>> ALL RIGHT. A LETTER TO THE STATE IN REGARD TO SUCH?

>> YES. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THE CHAIRMAN SIGN THE LETTER, IT SPECIFICALLY REQUESTS NO DECREASE IN FUNDING FROM THE CURRENT LEGISLATIVE BUDGET, WHICH IS PENDING ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK FOR APPROVAL. AND THAT IT BE SENT TO THE RADLEY, SENATOR BRADLEY, CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE TRAVIS CUMMINGS, WITH COPIES TO OUR THREE DELEGATION MEMBERS AND

THE GOVERNOR. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSON? >> SEEING NONE, WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO DELETIONS. WE DID HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR, WE'LL NOW MOVE

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>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> NONE, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> NONE, SIR. >> ADMINISTRATION, I THINK YOU'VE GOT ONE.

>> ADMINISTRATION REQUESTS TO PULL NUMBER 14 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK ON THE 16TH. >> NUMBER 14 WILL BE PULLED.

LEGAL >> NONE OTHER, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHTY.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED, INCLUDING REMOVAL OF NUMBER 14, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> YES. >> YES AS WELL. 5-0.

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>> MOVING INTO ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> NONE, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> NONE. >> ADMINISTRATION.

>> NONE. >> ALL RIGHT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA AS IS.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO THROUGH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> YES. >> I'LL BE A YES AS WELL.

PASSES 5-0. MOVING INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PRESENTATION.

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MS. WANDA FOREST. >> GOOD MORNING. >>

>> GOOD MORNING. I'M WANDA FOREST, WITH THE NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION. REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AGENCY, SERVING CLAY, DUVAL, NASSAU AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER JOHN WHO SERVES AS OUR TPO CHAIR. THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT

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SUB-SET OF 2045 LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. IT IDENTIFIES A FIVE-YEAR SCHEDULE OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS TO HIGHWAY, TRANSIT, BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN, SAFETY PROJECTS. WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT SCHEDULE.

INTERESTING ENOUGH, ALL OF OUR PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN VIRTUAL, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE WENT INTO A LIVE MEETING. THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO BOARD WILL APPROVE THE TIP AT THEIR JUNE 11TH MEETING. WITH THAT, WE'LL GET STARTED.

I'M HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE KEY PROJECTS WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ROAD CONSTRUCTION, RESURFACING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I'M GOING TO START WITH I-95 FROM INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY TO DUVAL COUNTY LINE. ADDING LANES AND RECONSTRUCT.

AND THAT IS A DESIGN/BUILD PROJECT. SCHEDULED FOR 2025.

I-95 SOUTH OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY TO SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 23 INTERCHANGE, WHICH IS THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THIS IS ALSO ADDING LANES AND RECONSTRUCTION AND THAT CONSTRUCTION IS IN 2020. 95 AT STATE ROAD 16, THIS IS AN INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENT, ADDING LANES IN THAT CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED FOR 2021. STATE ROAD 313, FROM STATE ROAD 207 TO SOUTH HOMES BOULEVARD. NEW ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND THAT CONSTRUCTION IS IN 2022.

STATE ROAD 13 FROM MILLS ROAD TO DUVAL COUNTY LINE IS A RESURFACING, THAT CONSTRUCTION IS IN 2021. I-95 AND STATE ROAD 207, INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, RESURFACING AND THAT IS IN 2021. STATE ROAD 206, 95 TO INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY BRIDGE, RESURFACING. THAT CONSTRUCTION IS IN 2022.

STATE ROAD 206 TO 207 TO I-95 IS RESURFACING. THAT CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED FOR 2023. STATE ROAD 207, I-95 TO 312. 207 FROM I-95 TO STATE ROAD 312, THAT CONSTRUCTION IS IN 2023. U.S. 1 FROM STATE ROAD 207 TO THE CITY GATE IS RESURFACING. THAT CONSTRUCTION IS 2021. FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY FROM 95 TO EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 16. NEW ROAD CONSTRUCTION. DESIGN/BUILD SCHEDULED FOR 2023. FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY FROM EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 16A TO 209, NEW ROAD CONSTRUCTION. FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY BRIDGE. AND THAT IS A DESIGN/BUILD IN 2022. SO I'M HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE KEY PROJECTS, SOME OF THE PROJECTS WITH TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. FOREST?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE SUMMARY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE EXPRESSWAY, ROUGHLY MORE THAN DOUBLES THE TRADITIONAL BUDGET OF THE DOT IN DISTRICT TWO, SPECIFIC TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THIS IS THE TPO'S DOING. AND ENCOURAGING THE STATEWIDE ORGANIZATION OF THE DOT TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF OUR GROWING COUNTY FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

IS THERE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO ON THE DOT WEBSITE TO KEEP UP-TO-DATE.

I REGULARLY GET QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN WILL THE SHANDS BRIDGE BE REPLACED.

>> I THINK DOT DOES HAVE SEVERAL WEBSITES THAT YOU CAN GO TO UPDATE.

AND I DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFFHAND. I CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.

>> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. JUST AN E-MAIL LINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SURE APPRECIATE THE OVERVIEW. WE'LL NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. TPO TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. GOOD MORNING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> GOOD MORNING.

THIS IS ED SLAVEN, ED SLAVEN.COM. WE HAVE THIS SAME REPORT EVERY

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WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE AND OUR PRIORITIES NEED TO REFLECT OUR VALUES.

OUR VALUES NEED TO INCLUDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I WAS ON FACEBOOK AND OUR FORMER MAYOR, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, WHO IS 83 YEARS OLD AND ON OXYGEN AND NO LONGER ABLE TO DRIVE, THEY'RE TRYING TO USE COUNCIL ON AGING BUSES. THEY CAN'T FIND OUT IF THEY'RE RUNNING. IT'S NOT REFLECTED ON THEIR WEBSITE IF IT'S RUNNING.

OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS MISERABLE AND IT COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN AS IF PEOPLE WHO USE BUSES DIDN'T NEED THEM BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 CRISIS.

PEOPLE WHO RUN THAT SYSTEM, SUNSHINE BUSES APPARENTLY HAVE DELUSIONS OF ADEQUACY.

IT IS NOT AN ADEQUATE SYSTEM. GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE OVER THE CONTRACT.

MEANWHILE,IO POSE STATE ROUTE 313, NORTHERN REACHES OF 313 WOULD IMPINGE UPON AND DESTROY PARTS OF 12 MILE SWATH. WE'VE GOT LAND THERE THAT HENNY D ROADWAY DEAN, AND JOHN HANKINS HELPED ACQUIRE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THEY WANT TO BUILD A ROAD THROUGH IT. THE ROAD BUILDERS WANT IT.

AND THAT IS WHO THEY WORK FOR. I AM TIRED OF HEARING THE SAME PRESENTATION EVERY YEAR AND HEARING ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. WHEN HAVE THEY EVER ACKNOWLEDGED AND RESPONDED TO AND ACTED UPON AND WHEN DO WE EVER HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SANDRA PARKS, SAID IT BEST, THE UR BUDGETS MUST REFLECT OUR VALUES OR THEY'RE NOT WORTH THE PAPER THEY'RE PRINTED ON. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO REJECT THIS SUPPORT AND NOT SUPPORT ALL OF THIS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF ROAD BUILDING. BACK IN 1990, JUDGE STANTON AT THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND I WERE DRIVING SOUTH ON 95, WIDENING IT.

HE LOOKS AT ME AND SAID IF YOU HAD A SEWAGE PIPE DUMPING IN YOUR BACKYARD, WOULD YOU MAKE IT BIGGER. ENOUGH WITH ALL OF THIS ROAD BUILDING.

FLORIDA NEEDS ENVIRONMENT IMPACT STATEMENTS. I'M SORRY, FOLKS, BUT I'M TIRED OF THESE ANNUAL REPORTS ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE ROADS. WHAT WE NEED IS TRANSIT.

WHAT WE NEED ARE TRAINS AND TROLLEYS LIKE WE HAD IN ST. AUGUSTINE, UNTIL 1928.

WHAT WE NEED ARE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GO AND GET A BUS WITHOUT GETTING RAINED ON.

WE DON'T HAVE THOSE. WE DON'T HAVE A MASS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IN ST.

AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S WORTH LESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO OTHER

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION MS. FOREST. THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. WE'LL MOVE ALONG INTO AGENDA

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ITEM NUMBER TWO. MR. SHAD AND MR. LAHAV. >> GOOD MORNING.

CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS SHAWN LAHAV, RESILIENCY COORDINATOR FOR THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL, JOINED TODAY BY MY COLLEAGUE JACK SHAD. BEFORE GETTING STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND COMMISSIONER BLOCKER FOR THEIR SERVICE TO OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THANK YOU. THE PURPOSE OF OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS TO INFORM YOU ALL ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY WE RECENTLY CONDUCTED. THE FOCUS OF OUR ANALYSIS IS ON FORECASTING THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS THAT THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC IS HAVING ON THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION.

WE GAVE THE SAME MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND WERE ASKED BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO GIVE THE SAME PRESENTATION TO EACH RESPECTIVE COUNTY BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE SOFTWARE WE UTILIZED TO CONDUCT THIS STUDY.

REMI IS A PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANY BASED OUT OF AMHERST MASSACHUSETTS THAT LICENSES ECONOMIC FORECASTING SOFTWARE TO BUDGET AGENCIES. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST VETTED AND UTILIZED FORECASTING TOOLS IN THE UNITED STATES. OUR EXCLUSIVE LICENSING WITH REMI PROVIDES US WITH A DETAILED INVENTORY OF LOCAL ECONOMIES HERE IN NORTHEAST

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MORE TRADITIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS USED TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES TO THE REGION, WHERE WE CAN FORECAST POSITIVE ECONOMIC OUT COMES, BUT IN TIMES LIKE THIS, TO BE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES. REGARDING OUR RECENTLY CONDUCTED STUDY, I WILL PASS THE REMAINDER OF THE PRESENTATION TO MY COLLEAGUE JACK SHAD WHO WILL DISCUSS WHAT ASSUMPTIONS WERE UTILIZED AND WHAT RESULTS WERE FOUND. INCLUDING THOSE SPECIFIC TO ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. >> THANK YOU, SEAN. IF Y'ALL COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WE WORKED WITH REMI TO USE AN ECONOMIC FORECAST THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GRAPH, THIS SHOWS WHAT IS CALLED A V SHAPED RECESSION, WHICH IS A STEEP DROP AND THEN A DEEP CLIMB OUT OF IT. AND THAT WAS BASED ON A CONDITION THAT ESSENTIALLY TO GET THE CORONAVIRUS UNDER CONTROL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE.

THE SECOND DROP IF YOU HAVE A MAJOR RECURRENCE SOME TIME LATER.

IF Y'ALL COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL NOT HALFWAY THROUGH THIS YEAR. AND IT'S BEEN A BUSY YEAR. WE'VE HAD THREE TERRIBLE MONTHS. AND IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, IN MY OPINION TO MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION OF WHAT THE YEAR IS GOING TO END UP WITH. WHAT WE FOCUSED ON INSTEAD IS LOOKING AT THE DETAILED MODEL OF OUR REGIONAL ECONOMY TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW THE EFFECTS WILL BE DIFFERENT IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA THAN THEY WILL FOR THE NATION AS A WHOLE.

WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHATEVER THE FINAL NUMBERS TURN OUT TO BE, HOW WILL WE BE DIFFERENT FROM THE NATIONAL AVERAGES? IF Y'ALL COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE TWO MAIN TAKE-AWAYS THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE Y'ALL WITH, THE ECONOMIC EFFECT, EVEN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE UNIVERSITY MICHIGAN PROJECTION ARE SEVERE.

FOR NORTHEAST FLORIDA AND AS A NATION AS A WHOLE. THAT IS NOT A BIG SURPRISE FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH RECESSIONS IN FLORIDA. WE TEND TO GET HIT A LITTLE HARDER. SO OVERALL THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN PROJECTED A DECLINE IN GDP FOR 2020 OF 2.7 PERCENT, IF THAT HAPPENED, WE EXPECT TO SEE UNEMPLOYMENT, SORRY, WE EXPECT TO SEE EMPLOYMENT DROP BY 4.2 PERCENT, WHICH REPRESENTS OVER 40,000 JOBS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE A GDP DROP OF ABOUT 3.1 PERCENT WHICH IS ABOUT 15 PERCENT HIGHER THAN THE NATION AS A WHOLE. OR THE NATION ON AVERAGE, I SHOULD SAY. AND WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE PER CAPITA, AFTER TAX INCOME DROP BY ABOUT FIVE PERCENT. SO WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE EFFECTS IN GENERAL, 10 TO 15 PERCENT

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IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE THIRD BIG TAKE-AWAY IS THAT WE EXPECT TO SEE JOB LOSSES CONCENTRATED IN SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES.

WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THE SECTORS WHERE NORTHEAST FLORIDA HAS MORE OF A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF EMPLOYMENT THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND THAT ARE EXPERIENCING OR PROJECTED TO EXPERIENCE HIGHER JOB LOSS THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

AND SOME OF THESE I THINK YOU KNOW, ARE VERY OBVIOUS, ACCOMMODATION AND FOOD SERVICE, THAT INCLUDES TOURISM YOU KNOW, OTHER SERVICES, THAT INCLUDES ALL OF YOUR PERSONAL SERVICES. REAL ESTATE. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT AS OBVIOUS, CONSTRUCTION, HEALTH CARE AND FINANCE. BUT WE ARE ALREADY SEEING SIGNS OF ISSUES IN THOSE SECTORS. AS WE, AS INDIVIDUAL COUNTIES AND THE REGION AS A WHOLE STARTS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESTART THE ECONOMY, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THESE SECTORS. AND THE FINAL SLIDE, OUR NEXT STEPS WE ARE PLANNING ON RELEASING OUR FULLER REPORT IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO. WE'LL BE SENDING THOSE TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGERS, OUR BOARD AND REALLY ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SEE IT.

IT WILL BE A PUBLIC OPTION. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, MR. SHAD. THANK YOU MR. LAHAV.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER WALDRON, WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL ECONOMIC STUDY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD. >> ANYTHING ELSE? ANY DISCUSSION?

>> I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM FOR THE REPORT. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE GOT TO VIEW IT. YOU KNOW, THE OUTLOOK LOOKS BLEAK AT THIS TIME.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL PULL OUT OF IT QUICKLY AS YOUR CHART SHOWS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ALONG INTO AGENDA

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>> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE YESTERDAY ASKING IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM. WE REALLY DIDN'T SPEND ANY TIME DISCUSSING THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES. I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> I DID HAVE A BRIEF E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE WITH MR. WHITE HOUSE IN REGARDS TO THIS ISSUE. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, JUST E-MAIL, OUTLINING SOME POINTS HE WILL RAISE TODAY.

AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE MOVEMENT OF THE SHED LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY. THE POSSIBLE USES OR ELIMINATING OF USES. ALSO THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS OKAY WITH CONSTRUCTION THUS FAR OF THE BUILDING. AND THE SEPTIC TANK LOCATION.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A VOICEMAIL OR A PHONE CALL THAT I HAD WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS A VOICEMAIL. HE CAN CONFIRM THAT. ASKING IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS.

I DID NOT. I HAD A BRIEFING WITH STAFF TO ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS

THAT I HAVE. >> I DID HAVE AN E-MAIL ON FRIDAY, MAY 29TH.

DEFINITELY A FOCUS ON A HARDSHIP, MORE SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JAMES WHITEHOUSE, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

1040 MAIN STREET. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF MR. DISTEFANO, THE PROPERTY OWNER.

DIFFERENT PRESENTATION. YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR STAFF REPORT.

I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT. AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WATCH THE PZA MEETING AS WELL. GIVE YOU BACKGROUND FIRST, JUST TO START OUT, SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE A TYPICAL STAFF REPORT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

IN OTHER WORDS, THIS ITEM WAS SUBMITTED BY MR. DISTEFANO ON HIS OWN.

HE PROCEEDED THROUGH STAFF COMMENTS. PART OF THAT STAFF COMMENTS, WAS TO ASK ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS SEPTIC SYSTEM AND DRAIN FIELD, ET CETERA.

UNFORTUNATELY, HE WASN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE SHOWING WHERE THAT WAS BEFORE HE GOT THE PZA. I WASN'T PRESENT AT PZA. BUT I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE VIDEO. AND THE VIDEO SHOWS THAT A COUPLE OF MEMBERS WERE ASKING HIM ABOUT WHERE THIS LOCATION OF THE DRAIN FIELD WAS AND HE WASN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT ANSWERS FOR THAT. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND A SECOND, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE AT THE TIME VOTED TO SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE SHOWING WHERE THAT WAS TO ESTABLISH THE HARDSHIP.

AFTER THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, HE WAS DENIED, HE CAME AND SOUGHT MYSELF OUT AND TALKED TO ME. I SAID WE NEED TO GET A SURVEY OF THAT TO SHOW WHERE THE DRAIN FIELD IS, TO SHOW THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS A HARDSHIP. BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE STAFF SAID THERE WAS A HARDSHIP AS FAR AS THE TOPOGRAPHY GOES ON THE PROPERTY. THE QUESTION FOR THE STAFF AT THE TIME OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WAS WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS THE MOST, WHETHER THE RELIEF HE SOUGHT WAS THE BEST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE DRAIN FIELD WAS. AT THE TIME THE STAFF SOUGHT OUT EVIDENCE FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT MAP SHOWED THE DRAIN FIELD IN A DIFFERENT SPOT. THAT IS WHY I SAID WE NEED TO GO GET A SURVEY. I HAVE COPIES OF THAT AS WELL. THE DRAIN FIELD IS WHERE IT WAS TESTIFIED TO AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. THEREFORE, WE BELIEVE IT DOES SHOW THAT THERE WAS A HARDSHIP. I THINK NOW THAT WE PROVIDED THAT EVIDENCE TO YOUR STAFF, I BELIEVE THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THE PLACEMENT AS WELL.

THAT WAS BACKGROUND. LET ME GET INTO MY NORMAL PRESENTATION.

SO MR. DISTEFANO DID PRESENT EVIDENCE AT THE PZA SHOWING THAT HE BUILT THE SHED.

AFTER THE FORMER SHED WAS DESTROYED BY THE HURRICANES. AT THE TIME, AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, HE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HE NEEDED TO COME GET A FORMAT FOR THAT.

NOW HE REALIZES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FOR MOST STUFF THAT YOU DO.

AT THE TIME HE DID ASK HIS NEIGHBORS AND RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM HIS NEIGHBORS.

THAT IS WHY YOU'LL SEE IN THE RECORD THAT THERE IS A NUMBER OF SUPPORTING AFFIDAVITS AND EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT HE HAS SUPPORT FOR THIS LOCATION FROM HIS NEIGHBORS.

NOT JUST NOT OPPOSITION BUT ACTUAL SUPPORT FOR WHERE HE PUT IT.

AND HE PLACED IT WHERE IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY AND LOCATION OF THE SEPTIC DRAIN FIELD. UNFORTUNATELY, AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, IN REPRESENTING HIMSELF, HE WASN'T ABLE TO PRODUCE THE PROPER EVIDENCE, WHICH LED TO THE DENIAL.

THE STAFF HAD INITIALLY STATED THAT THERE WAS A HARDSHIP IN THE PZA STAFF REPORT, BUT WITHOUT FURTHER PROOF OF THE LOCATION OF THE DRAIN FIELD, THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF THE CURRENT PLACEMENT WAS THE LEAST INTRUSIVE. THIS LED SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PZA MEMBERS TO STATE, THE CHAIRMAN STATE ON THE RECORD THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY TOOK THE TESTIMONY THAT HE PRESENTED AS FACT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT WASN'T ENOUGH FOR SOME OF THE MEMBERS. I'M HERE TODAY ON THIS APPEAL TO SHOW YOU THIS EVIDENCE. TO SHOW THAT WE DID ENGAGE A LICENSED SURVEYOR, DOCUMENT THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND DRAIN FIELD. AND THAT SHOWS THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND EXACT LOCATION OF THE DRAIN FIELD PROVIDE THE HARDSHIP JUSTIFYING THE

VARIANCE AS REQUESTED. >> THIS IS A MAP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD I PROVIDED THIS TO EACH OF YOU. IT'S IN THE RECORD. I'LL LEAVE ANOTHER COPY FOR THE CLERK FOR THE RECORD. THIS SHOWS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ALL WHO RESPONDED TO

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AT LEAST THREE ALONG THE SAME AREAS HERE. HE SEEKS THE BOARD REVIEW OF HIS REQUEST. THIS IS A THROUGH LOT SO IT HAS TWO 25-FOOT SETBACKS ON EITHER SIDE OF HIS LOTS. WHICH SHRINKS HIS LOT IN THIS WAY.

THIS, AS YOU COULD SEE FROM THE PICTURE, THIS IS THE REAR OF THESE HOUSES, ALTHOUGH IT'S CONSIDERED THE FRONT. BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH ON THE MIDORIS.

BUT AS I SAID, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 25 FEET ON THIS SIDE AND ON THIS SIDE.

IN THE REAR, USUALLY IT WOULD BE LESS. BUT AS I SAID, SINCE IT'S A THROUGH-LOT, IT'S NOT. JUST GOING FORWARD, I'LL SKIP OVER SOME OF THIS STUFF.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS FACTS PRESENTED. I THINK IT'S IN THE RECORD, I'LL PROVIDE ANOTHER COPY FOR THE CLERK TO BE IN THE RECORD. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS ALTAVISTA AVENUE. THIS IS THE HOUSE IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS THE HOUSE COMING DOWN HERE. SEPTIC FIELD ON THE INITIAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOCUMENT THAT THE STAFF HAD RECEIVED SAID THE SEPTIC FIELD WAS MORE UP JUST IN THIS AREA AND UP IN THIS AREA HERE. ACTUALLY, THIS IS A LICENSED SURVEY, THE SEPTIC FIELD IS HERE, DRAIN FIELD IN THIS AREA. THIS IS WHERE THE SHED HAS BEEN PLACED. THE FORMER SHED WAS UP HERE. AND AS IT DETERIORATED, AND WHEN HE WENT TO REBUILD IT, HE COULDN'T PLACE IT BACK UP HERE, BECAUSE THIS WAS THE NEW DRAIN FIELD THAT HAD BEEN PUT IN. HE NEEDED TO PUT IT BACK HERE. IT NEEDS TO BE I THINK I CAN'T STATE FOR THE RECORD WHAT THE ISTANCE IS, BUT IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET FROM WHERE THE DRAIN FIELD IS. THAT IS WHY THE SHED, WHICH IS SIMILAR IN SIZE, SHAPE, SIMILAR IN HEIGHT, AND ALL ASPECTS OF WHAT THE FORMER SHED WAS THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY.

I DO WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND WITH MAYBE SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T RECALL WHICH ONES, BUT AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT OF THIS STRUCTURE, IT IS I BELIEVE 11 FEET IN HEIGHT TODAY. SO IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY HIGH. IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS WHAT THE HOUSE IS. THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE SERVES AS THE GARAGE OF THE HOUSE. 1300 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE.

THIS SERVES AS A GARAGE FOR THE HOUSE AND THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THERE IS ELECTRICITY TO IT. NOT FOR ANY OTHER REASON AT ALL.

NUMBER TWO, THIS IS THE SAME SIZE AS THE OLD SHED. YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET THERE IS THE OLD SURVEY SHOWING WHERE THE OLD SHED WAS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY PACKET. ON THE SURVEY IT SHOWS WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT SHED IS, SO THAT IS EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT THIS IS THE SAME SIZE OF THAT SHED. FINALLY, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT HE WAS GOING TO USE THIS FOR. THAT IS WHY I SAID HE IS COMMITTED WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE ORDER OR NOT, IT'S ONE STORY.

IT'S NOT PARTITIONED INSIDE. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS A GARAGE FOR THIS HOUSE.

IN ANY CASE, YOU HAVE THE ELEMENTS AND THE FACTORS FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE.

THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED IN THEIR REPORT THAT THEY BELIEVE IT MEETS THESE FACTORS.

IT'S NOT FOUND CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST. AND THAT IS I THINK BORNE OUT BY THE FACT THAT YOU SEE ALL OF THE REPORTS IN YOUR PACKET AND IN THE RECORD THAT SHOW THAT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THOSE MOSTLY AFFECTED SUPPORT THIS

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>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> NOW HEAR FROM STAFF. >> STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT I THINK THAT ANY PORTION DURING THE HEARING. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A FORMAL STAFF PRESENTATION TO BE MADE. MORE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF REQUESTED.

>> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> ANY QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT.

MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. OR PHONE IN.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR ANY

DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS. >> ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD, JUST IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMISSIONER DEAN GETS A LOT OF THESE CALLS TOO, LIKE I DO. IT IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PART IN THE ORDER, NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED

FOR ANY LIVING QUARTERS. >> I THINK MR. WHITEHOUSE, I THINK THERE WERE ELECTRICAL SERVICE, PERTAINING TO THE SORT OF GARAGE ASPECT. VARIANCES MAY HAVE CONDITIONS PLACED. AND UNLIKE PUDS, THERE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE APPROVAL BY THE APPLICANT FOR THOSE. POTENTIALLY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, SOME LANGUAGE AS YOU WERE SAYING SHALL NOT BE USED AS AN HABITABLE STRUCTURE. MR. WHITEHOUSE, IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR PLUMBING THERE? WOULD IT BE BASICALLY IF THE BOARD RESTRICTED PLUMBING AS A

CONDITION, ANY COMMENT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS. BUT JUST IN CASE THERE IS, SAYING IT SHALL NOT BE USED AS HABITABLE SPACE MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO PREVENT IT.

BUT IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

>> ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLANNING APPEAL 2020-04 APPEAL OVERTURNING THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FINAL ORDER DENYING A ZONING VARIANCE TO TABLE 6.01 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, ZONING VARIANCE 2019-30, TO ALLOW FOR A REDUCED SECOND YARD, I'M SORRY, SECOND FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 8 FEET, IN LIEU OF THE 25 FEET REQUIRED AND REDUCE SIDE YARD SETBACK OF FIVE FEET, IN LIEU OF THE EIGHT FEET REQUIRED, TO ALLOW FOR COMPLETION OF THE SHED AND RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY, SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 5243, BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT --

>> A CONDITION THAT THE STRUCTURE SHALL NOT BE AT ANY TIME DESIGNED OR USED AS AN

HABITABLE STRUCTURE. >> EIGHT CONDITIONS. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> SEEING NONE, WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> YES. >> I WILL BE A YES AS WELL.

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MS. HAGA, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. LINDSEY HAGO WITH ENGLAND THIMS

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WE CAN SEE WHERE THE 71 ACRES IS TUCKED IN TO THE EXISTING AREA OF THE SIX MILE CREEK SOUTH PORTION OF THE ST. JOHNS DRI. LET'S ADVANCE.

>> THE EXISTING FUTURE AND LAND USE FOR THE 71 ACRES IS RURAL CULTURE.

AND HERE YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP BOUNDED BY THE RED LINE THAT REPRESENTS YOUR DEVELOPMENT AREA. PLANNING PARLANCE, THIS EQUATES TO AN URBAN AREA SERVICE BOUNDARY. IDENTIFY GROWTH IN THE AREA AND WHERE WE HAVE COLORS ON THE MAP INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR EFFICIENT AND COMPACT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THE LAND USE CATEGORY, WHITE COLOR ON THE MAP IS SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER RURAL LAND USE CATEGORY, LIGHT GREEN COLOR, IT PROVIDES FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITIES MOST REFLECTED IN TIMBER OR HARVESTING. IT ALSO PERMITS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, GAINED THROUGH YOUR PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT REZONING OPTIONS, WHERE IF YOU PRESERVE CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OF THE LAND, DIFFERENCE OF TWO DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE WOULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF THAT. UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE, THERE ARE ACTIVITIES PERMITTED ON THE SITE. WE USE THAT IN OUR IMPACT ANALYSIS TO GIVE YOU A BEFORE AND AFTER IN THIS AMENDMENT. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO CHANGE IF YOU WILL, THE COLOR ON THE MAP FROM THAT RURAL WHITE TO RESIDENTIAL C, WHICH IS SHOWN NOW IN THE TAN OR BROWN COLOR IN THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

BUCKLED IN WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT SO THAT IT CONNECTS IT TO WHERE WE ARE GAINING OUR ENTITLEMENT RIGHTS FOR THE PROPERTY. SHARE OVER THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENT APPROVED FOR THE ST. JOHNS DRI, ON TO THE 6 # 71 ACRES, AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY AFFORDED BY THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORY.

LAND USE MAP COLOR CHANGE AND A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT IS BUCKLED IN TO LOCK DOWN AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY NEW ENTITLEMENTS RESULTING FROM THIS CHANGE IN COLOR AND CONNECTING IT BACK IN TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT WHERE THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS HAVE BEEN MITIGATED. TO WALK YOU THROUGH HIGHLIGHTS OF OUR ENTIRE APPLICATION WHERE WE IDENTIFY THE JUSTIFICATION AND OUR CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION, THAT FULL PACKET GIVES YOU A CROSSWALK BETWEEN YOUR POLICIES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ONE, WE ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT AREA, THAT BRIGHT RED LINE THAT YOU SAW ON THE MAP. WE'RE WITHIN THE ONE TO TWO MILE AREA THAT YOU SEE OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE AREA.

CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALLOCATING OVER EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS WITH DEFINED MITIGATION PACKETS, DEDICATION FOR LAND FOR THE SCHOOL SITE AT THE ENTRANE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MITIGATED. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT INCREASING ANY UNITS AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY POINTS OF ACCESS WHERE THE UNITS OR DEVELOPMENT WOULD COME.

NO INCREASE IN VOLUME AND NO CHANGE IN THE PATTERN OR DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE EXISTING TRIPS. THE WHOLE DRI ITSELF IS A MIXED USE LAND DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL, NON-RESIDENTIAL AND CIVIC USES. FOLKS REDUCE VEHICLE MILE TRAVELED WHEN WE GO AROUND IN THE PROPERTY. THIS PROVIDES FOR LOT AND HOME SIZE VARIETY. AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW FOR US TO PROVIDE FOR WETLAND PROTECTION.

I INTRODUCED OUR PROJECT IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. THIS SLIDES CALLS OUT A COUPLE OF THE POLICIES DEALING WITH THAT. OVERLAY STANDARDS GUIDE FOR A SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERN THAT RESPECTS HOW THIS CORNER OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS

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ONE PROVING THAT WE ARE CONTIGUOUS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

TWO THAT WE ARE USING VESTED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA, NO ADDITIONAL UNITS. EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED BY DEFINED MITIGATION. WE HAVE A MIX OF THOSE USES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL, NON-RESIDENTIAL AND CIVIC USES. OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU SEE NOW IN TRAIL MARKS, PERHAPS WHEN YOU DID YOUR SITE VISIT. WE ARE PROVIDING FOR A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES AND HOME PRICE VARIETY WITHIN THAT AREA. AND LASTLY, WOULD BE WETLAND PROTECTION. GAINED THROUGH THE CHANGE FROM RURAL CIVIL CULTURE, PERMIT HARVESTING BY RIGHT AND ADDING IN OUR BUFFERING SYSTEM HERE SHOWN ON THIS MAP.

TO PULL FORWARD THIS LAST ENVIRONMENTAL OBJECTIVE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS MAP IS PART OF OUR SERIES PROVIDED IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT SHOWS YOU 40 PERCENT OF THE ADDED LANDS AREA WILL BE IN WHAT WE'RE CALLING GROUPING ALL TOGETHER THE PROTECTED LANDS. AS REPRESENTED BY A MAJORITY OF WETLANDS, THE UPLAND BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED BY OUR PERMITTING AGENCY. THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITIES, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CLEARLY IDENTIFY THOSE COMMUNITY TYPES THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ADDED PROTECTION ON. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF PROTECTED WILDLIFE THAT ARE UTILIZING OUR SITE. ABOUT 32 ACRES PRESERVED WITH THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT, REALLY HIGHLIGHTING OUR UPLIFTING THAT PUBLIC BENEFIT PORTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES. SO AGAIN, WHERE ARE WE GETTING OUR RIGHTS? COMPANION APPLICATION THAT AFTER TRANSMITTAL, WE COME BACK FOR ADOPTION, YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING. IT GETS ALL ANNEXED IN. THIS SLIDE SHOWS US THE MAP H, STANDARD DEVELOPMENT THAT SHOWS YOU REALLY THIS COMPONENT FOR SIX MILE CREEK PORTION OF THE ST. JOHNS DRI. THE POINTS THAT SHOULD POP OUT TO YOU ARE THE NUMBERED AREAS FOR THE PARCELS AND THAT RELATES TO A CHART ON THE SIDE THAT TELLS YOU WHAT THE USE IS AND THE ACREAGE AND WHERE THEIR LAND PLAN OVERALL. YOU SEE IN THE GRAY HATCH PATTERN, GREEN WAY SYSTEM, BLUE WAY SYSTEM, SIX MILE CREEK BEING THE NAME SAKE AND THE BOUNDARY IF YOU WILL FOR THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. ALL OF THE USES, INTENSITY AND THE MITIGATION CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. THIS ADDS IN AND LETS YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF RIGHTS EXISTING FOR THE PROPERTY.

2,000 UNITS. WHAT THE PLAN IS TO ANNEX TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS PARCEL 16 OF THE DRI, RETAIN THAT THERE WILL BE NO EXTERNAL VEHICULAR CONNECTIONS.

IMPORTANT FOR TWO PARTS, ONE, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT INCREASING ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND NOT CHANGING THE TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTION PATTERNS BECAUSE THAT MAY AFFECT OUR ROADWAY NETWORK. AS WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR DISCUSSION THAT AFFECTS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS CHANGES AND MAINTAINING NO IMPACTSES TO INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD, WHICH IS THE LOCAL ACCESS ROAD THAT FOLKS USE THERE TO GET TO THEIR PROPERTIES. THE LAST MAP IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO TRY TO BRING FORWARD SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

THIS MAP REPRESENTS ON THE NORTHERN HALF A MIXTURE OF BUILT AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION LOTS HERE THE AMENITY, YOU CAN SEE IT POPPING OUT AS AERIAL IMAGE, THAT IS IN PLACE, THIS ADDITIONAL POD HERE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW THAT YOU COME IN THROUGH THE MAIN ACCESS HERE. AND THE AREA AS WE GET INTO THE LIGHTER YELLOW, THAT YOU SEE WITH THE GREEN AREAS, REALLY ARE SHOWING POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DESIGN THAT COULD HAPPEN. BECAUSE THIS IS THE ENTITLEMENT AREA NOW, WHERE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL USES PERMITTED WITHIN THIS AREA AND HOW WE WOULD GAIN ACCESS.

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WETLAND PROTECTION. HITTING THE HALL MARKS DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

INDIAN BRANCH ROAD, THIS IS A 60-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY OR EASEMENT.

PORTIONS OF IT ARE PUBLICLY OWNED AND THEN THE OTHER PORTION IS WITH ACCESS RIGHTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. WE ARE NOT CONNECTING TO THAT ROADWAY.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS CAN CONTINUE TO USE THAT AS THEY DO NOW.

THIS IS POPPING UP FOR YOU THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE. WHICH AGAIN, THAT IS ONE OF YOUR STANDARDS FOR THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. NOT ONLY IS IT A SPECIFIC DISTANCE OF BUFFERING BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, IT HAS A LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT.

LOTS TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. SO ANY OTHER PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA WOULD HAVE A DEVELOPMENT EDGE, REPRESENTING ABOUT 70 FEET AND THEN 130 FEET TO THE SOUTH. THIS HELPS US DEMONSTRATE GRAPHICALLY HOW WE ARE KEEPING THIS MAINTAINED AND THEN OUR DEVELOPMENT EDGE AS WE TRANSITION AND TRANSITION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THE LAST POINT IS JUST TO REMIND US ALL THE COMMUNITY MEETING WE HAD. AS WE WERE GEARING UP FOR OUR HEARINGS, WE WENT INTO THE STAY AT HOME SHELTER IN PLACE, WE WERE ON THE CUSP, WE HAD AN IN-PLACE MEETING AT THE CLUBHOUSE AND VIRTUAL MEETING. AND SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WERE GENERALLY TIMING OF DEVELOPMENT, STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION. THINGS ANY TIME, WHAT IS GOING ON IN TRAIL MARK GENERALLY. WHAT IS THE WHAT ABOUT THAT. AND THEN SPECIFIC REALLY OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT ABOUT INDIAN BRANCH ROAD, ARE YOU CONNECTING TO IT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? WHAT ARE THE BUFFERING STANDARDS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT HERE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES AND THEN THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THROUGH PZA AND A COUPLE OF YOU IN OUR COMMISSIONER MEETINGS ABOUT DRAINAGE PATTERNS IN THE AREA. REVERSE BACK TO THE BACK, DEPENDING ON THE SUB BASIN OF WHERE YOU ARE WITHIN SIX MILE CREEK SOUTH, YOU'LL FLOW NORTH, SOUTH OR WEST. EVENTUALLY ALL OF IT LEADS TO THE SIX MILE CREEK AREA.

GENERAL DRAINAGE PATTERNS FOR KIND OF THE ENGINEERING MINDS OF US, WE CAN SEE WHERE THE STORMWATER PONDS ARE LOCATED. WE'LL EVENTUALLY GET TO SIX MILE CREEK.

AND THEN THEY'RE ALL MANAGED THROUGH OUR MASTER STORMWATER SYSTEM.

THAT WAS A GENERAL QUESTION THAT WE ADDRESSED WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ATTENDED AND SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO SINCE OUR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING. JUST TO WRAP UP, WHERE WE ARE IN REGULATORY APPROVALS, TODAY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO FOLLOW YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS TO TRANSMIT OUR AMENDMENT OUT FOR STATE AND REGIONAL REVIEW. DURING THAT TIME WE WILL THEN FINISH UP OUR MAJOR MODIFICATION, PUD LEVEL AND DRI MODIFICATION.

EVERYTHING COMES BACK TO YOU AS A BUNDLE. WE'LL HAVE A SECOND NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING. IMPORTANT FOR FOLKS WITH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD ABOUT DESIGN ELEMENTS, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE SECOND NORTH SECTOR MEETING. WE WOULD ANTICIPATE FOLLOWING THAT SCHEDULE THAT WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU IN FALL FOR CONSIDERATION OF ADOPTION. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY

PRESENTATION. I HAVE MY TEAM MEMBERS HERE. >> ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS COMING OR ALL

COMPLETED BY THE DRI? >> AT THIS POINT NOTHING WOULD BE TRIGGERED BY THIS ADDITIONAL

DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

COMMENTS. >> ANYTHING FOR STAFF? >> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER FOUR, THE TRAIL MARK TRANSMITTAL. PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED, WE'RE BACK TO THE

BOARD, ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MYSELF WILL DO IT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

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>> TRAIL MARK ADDED LANDS TRANSMITTAL BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I HAVE A BRIEF RECESS?

>> LET ME IDENTIFY. WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. AT A REQUEST FOR A MOMENT RECESS.

>> JUST A MOMENT FOR A SIDEBAR ONE MOMENT. >> THE BRIEF PAUSE.

NORMALLY ON TRANSMITTALS, THERE IS NOT AN ORDINANCE DONE. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING CAUGHT THAT BEFORE. THE MOTION MAY BE AMENDED. MOTION TO TRANSMIT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2019-08, ADDED LANDS TRANSMITTAL BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

THE SAME MOTION BUT IT WOULD NOT BE ENACTING AN ORDINANCE AT THAT TIME.

>> THE APPROVED MOTION TO TRANSMIT ADDED LANDS TRANSMITTAL, BASED ON FOUR

FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL SPEAK.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> I WILL BE A YES AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM

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COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES. ON NUMBER 5, ON THURSDAY, MAY 18TH, 3 O'CLOCK, I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND MICHAEL SILLS AND DUKE TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSAL BEFORE US TODAY. THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AS OUTLINED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> NO, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> I HAD A MEETING ON THURSDAY, MAY 15TH, AT 10:30 WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH, MR. RINGHAVEN, MR. SILLS.

WE WENT OVER THE CHANGES THEY WERE REQUESTING FOR THE USES AND THE WAIVERS.

WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT FISHING. OTHER THAN THAT, THAT IS ABOUT IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I HAD A MEETING ON THE SAME DAY WITH THE SAME REPRESENTATIVES. REGARDING THE DETAILS OF THE REQUEST, THE REASONS FOR THE REQUEST. SOME HISTORICAL CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF REGARDING THE PARCEL USES APPROVED. SO FOR THE EXPLANATION OF WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

I TOO MET ON MAY 14TH, AT 11:00 A.M. WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH, MR. MICHAEL SILLS AND STAFF LIKEWISE WAS PRESENT, THERESA BISHOP, MR. MCCORMACK CAME IN.

DISCUSSED FILING MODIFICATION TIMING BACK IN NOVEMBER, APPLIED FOR A WAIVER, MEDICAL HOSPITAL LAND USE CONFIRMATION LETTER, DISCUSSED MIXED USE OPTIONAL OVERLAY.

THE DESIRE TO HAVE THAT OVERLAY REMOVED BUT DISCUSSED BRIEFLY SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

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COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I DO DRIVE BY THIS SITE ON A REGULAR BASIS, NOT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS AGENDA ITEM. I DO HAPPEN TO TRAVEL THIS ROADWAY FREQUENTLY. I WANTED THAT TO BE A PART OF THIS RECORD.

>> VERY GOOD. MS. SMITH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, ELLEN AVERY SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WETSTONE PLACE, ST. AUGUSTINE.

WITH ME TODAY FROM WORLD COMMERCE CENTER DEVELOPMENT ARE DUKE STEINMAN AND MICHAEL SILLS. THE ENGINEERING AND PLANNING FOR THIS PROJECT IS DONE BY PROSER, OF COURSE, OUR FIRM DOES THE LEGAL WORK. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS IS UNUSUAL TO BE FIRST UP. SO I'M PREPARED TO ORIENT YOU TO WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. I-95, LOCATED ALONG I-95 SOUTH OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, NORTH OF STATE ROAD 16 AND YOU SEE THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PARKWAY HERE.

THE DRI AND PUD BOTH CURRENTLY INCLUDE ABOUT 1.26 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND SERVICE. 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.

950 HOTEL ROOMS. HALF A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND 1271 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. HOME TO RING POWER CORPORATION, STATE VETERANS NURSING HOME.

FUTURE PUBLIC SCREEN WISE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR. OTHER BUSINESSES FORTHCOMING.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PRIMARILY NON-RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. BEEN AROUND SINCE 2002, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHERE RING POWER ARE LOCATED.

HERE IS THE FORMER MIXED USE OVERLAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES.

YOU'LL SEE THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS IS WHERE THE PUBLIX GREEN WISE AND SHOPPING CENTER WILL GO IN THIS CORNER. HERE IS THE SHEPHERD ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND THEN THE VA NURSING HOME DOWN THERE. SO AGAIN, WORLD COMMERCE CENTER WAS THE DRI WAS APPROVED IN 2002, PUD WAS APPROVED IN 2004 AND THEY BOTH CONTAIN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.

THE PURPOSES OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION ARE A COUPLE. ONE, AS YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS PURCHASED PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY HERE.

IN FAIRNESS TO WORLD COMMERCE CENTER, SINCE IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 18 YEARS, WE THOUGHT BEST IT KEEP ITS VESTED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, WHICH ARE PART OF ITS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

EVEN THOUGH THE SCHOOL IS COMING TO WORLD COMMERCE CENTER, SO TO SPEAK.

REQUESTING THE ADDITION OF INDUSTRIAL LAND TO PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY RING POWER TO BRING IN A PROSPECTIVE NEW BUSINESS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE'RE ASKING TO REMOVE THE OPTIONAL MIXED USE OVERLAY AND THEN ADDITIONAL MINOR REVISIONS TO THE PUD.

YOU'LL RECALL ACTUALLY THE PZA LAST YEAR APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD TO ALLOW THE PUBLIX GREEN WISE STORE WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED OF WHAT THEY CALL A SIP AND STROLL. IF YOU GO IN TO THE GROCERY STORE, YOU WANT A GLASS OF BEER OR WINE, YOU CAN HAVE LUNCH OR DINNER AND HAVE AN ADULT BE BEVERAGE. ONLY BEER AND WINE, NO LIQUOR. THIS MODIFICATION, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BOARD IS LOCATING A HIGH SCHOOL SITE ACROSS THE STREET, WE ARE SEEKING A WAIVER FROM THE THOUSAND FOOT DISTRICT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE, BEER AND WINE ARE SOLD. SO WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT FOR SMALL RESTAURANTS THAT DO NOT INCLUDE 2500 SQUARE FEET OR 500 SEATS. IT'S ONLY FOR RESTAURANTS TO SELL BEER AND WINE FOR ON PREMISES. THAT IS WHAT THE WAIVER IS FOR.

THE SCHOOL BOARD DID NOT OBJECT TO THE WAIVER. THERE IS A LETTER FROM THEM IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKAGE, WITH RESPECT TO THAT. AND YOU SEE AGAIN, HERE IS THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL SITE. AND YOU SEE EVEN THE THOUSAND FEET HOW FAR INTO WORLD COMMERCE CENTER'S PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND FUTURE 2209, THAT THAT THOUSAND FOOT EATS INTO AGAIN, THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF USES AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, WITHOUT THE WAIVER. AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION THAT REQUIRES THE 150 SEATS AND 2500 QUARE FEET.

AGAIN, NO BARS OR LIQUOR STORES. HERE IS THE SCHOOL BOARD'S

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AND HERE IS A LOCATION MAP THAT SHOWS ANY OTHER CHURCHES AND OTHER SCHOOLS BESIDES MILL CREEK ACADEMY AND THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE. SO THEY ARE FARTHER AWAY THAN A THOUSAND FEET. THE PUD MODIFICATION AGAIN IS TO ALLOW SIDEWALK CAFES AND OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS ASSOCIATED WITHIN RESTAURANTS, APPROVED AS PART OF THE GREENWISE, WE'RE EXPANDING IT TO THE REST OF WORLD COMMERCE CENTER.

REFLECT PHASING AND EXPIRATION DATE BASED ON GUBERNATORIAL EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS, TO REVISE THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO SHOW ALL OF THE APPROVED USES, ADDING IN THE VA NURSING HOME AND THE SHEPHERD ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, TO ADD THE INDUSTRIAL USE TO MR. RINGHAVER'S PROPERTY AND THEN REMOVE THE OPTIONAL MIXED USE OVERLAY.

THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE OPTIONAL OVERLAY.

WE'RE SEEKING TO REMOVE THAT. THIS IS WHERE THE OPTIONAL OVERLAY WAS.

IT WAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED. WE'RE REMOVING IT FROM THIS PLAN AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE ADDING INDUSTRIAL TO MR. RINGHAVER'S COMMERCIAL.

YOU SEE IT'S SURROUNDED BY RING POWER ANY WAY. SO IT'S CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION. PZA VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THEN WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE APPROVE THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION. I'M HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> NO, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER 5, WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PUD MAJOR MODIFICATION.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRINGING COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA. COMMISSIONERS, IF I'M LISTENING TO THIS CORRECTLY THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE ALCOHOL BY A SCHOOL ZONE AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A WAIVER. IF I GOT ALL OF THIS. WELL, COMMISSIONERS, I'M OKAY WITH THE ALCOHOL, BUT I ASK THAT YOU ONLY APPROVE THIS WITH A TIMELINE, ONE HOUR AFTER SCHOOL CLOSES, ALCOHOL SHOULD BE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE SOLD. IT SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD WHILE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL. THIS SIP AND STROLL THING, I DON'T KNOW. THAT DOESN'T SOUND THAT NORMAL TO ME.

SIPPING AND STROLLING AROUND PUBLIX. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE.

BUT ANYWAY, COMMISSIONER, JUST TO GET BACK AND KEEP IT SIMPLE, YOU CAN APPROVE THIS AND PUT THE TIME RESTRICTIONS ON THIS ALCOHOL SALES APPROVAL. I THINK THAT IS THE BEST THING TO DO FOR ANYBODY. PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT IT BY THE SCHOOL.

BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND, IT'S A CLASSY AREA OVER THERE IN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

IN FACT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, THEY'RE VERY GOOD TIPPERS TO UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS. I LIKE THE PEOPLE OVER THERE.

NOT LIKE PONTE VEDRA. ANYWAY, PLEASE APPROVE THIS AND ONLY ALLOW ALCOHOL TO BE SOLD ONE HOUR AFTER THAT SCHOOL CLOSES. THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED. BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIR, I RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.

>> SURE. >> MR. REYNOLDS, I'M GLAD YOU'RE LISTENING TODAY.

I SEE HIM ALL OF THE TIME OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD AND MR. REYNOLDS THAT THERE IS NO SCHOOL ON THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE YET.

THIS IS BEING, THE REQUEST IS BEING MADE TO PRESERVE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS BECAUSE THE HIGH SCHOOL WILL BE BUILT ACROSS THE STREET.

WORLD COMMERCE CENTER HAS BEEN APPROVED SINCE 2002. THE SIP AND STROLL WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR BY THE PZA, ONLY FOR THE PUBLIX GREENWISE, THAT IS AGAIN, ABOUT TO BE CONSTRUCTED

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ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO ENACT 2020-24 FOR 2019-09 WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PUD, BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> YES AS WELL. PASSES 5-0.

MOVING ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. THIS ONE IS A QUASI JUDICIAL

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DEAN. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, ANY EX PARTE?

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES, SIR, I DID BRIEFLY HAVE A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MR. BURNETT YESTERDAY OVER THE PHONE.

JUST REACHED OUT AND ASKED IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I HAD NONE. WE DID NOT DISCUSS ANY SCOPE OR ANY DETAILS.

HE ASKED ME IF I HAD QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> I HAD AN E-MAIL FROM A RESIDENT ON RUSSELL SAMPSON ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE RECEIVED IT ABOUT PAVING.

I DID TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF AND ASK THEM TO ANSWER BACK. ALSO, I DID HAVE A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY FROM DOUG BURNETT. I TOLD HIM ABOUT THE E-MAIL AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

TIMING OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. I HAD NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. I DIDN'T RECORD THE DATE FROM MR. BURNETT. TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL IDEA OF THIS PROJECT BEFORE IT WAS AN AGENDA ITEM. THE LOCATION, THEIR DISCUSSION WITH HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, HOW IT COMPARES TO THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN DID HAVE ANOTHER PHONE CALL FROM MR. BURNETT YESTERDAY ASKING IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. I MENTIONED THE ALLOWABLE

DENSITY OF USES VERSUS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AT THAT TIME. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOHNS. I HAD THE SAME E-MAIL COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAD, I THINK MOST OF US RECEIVED IT. I HAD A PHONE CALL -- THAT WAS FROM THE ROURKE FAMILY.

I HAD A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY AT 5:37. IT LASTED TWO MINUTES.

MR. BURNETT WENT THROUGH THE PROJECT VERY QUICKLY. MIXED LAND USE WHICH IS UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE. THIS PROJECT IS BEING PROPOSED BY KB HOMES.

DISCUSSED VERY BRIEFLY THE WORKS REQUEST TO RESURFACE PORTIONS OF RUSSELL SAMPSON ROAD. THAT ABOUT COVERINGS WHAT WE HAD A TALK ABOUT.

MOVE FORWARD INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. >> WHILE HE'S COMING UP, THAT HAD SLIPPED MY MIND, I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH DOUG BURNETT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.

SLIPPED MY MIND. BASICALLY ASKED ME IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS.

I SAID NO. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

APPRECIATE THE TIME. FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP, HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT Y'ALL ARE SO RESPONSIVE IN TAKING PHONE CALLS, ACCEPTING PHONE CALLS AND THE LIKE. .

GOOD MORNING, I'M HERE TODAY FOR A PROJECT FOR KB HOME. WITH ME TODAY IS TOMMY JINKS AND JAMES WHITEHOUSE. TOMMY IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF KB HOME EMPLOYEE THERE.

IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, HE IS AVAILABLE. JUST TO ORIENT YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT THE LOCATION, I-95, RUSSELL SAMPSON ROAD. IT OBVIOUSLY FUNCTIONS TODAY WITH THREE TURNING POINTS. WINDS UP BEING A GREAT THING FUNCTION WISE FOR ACCESS TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT IT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS OFF OF THE ROUND-ABOUT AT RUSSELL SAMPSON.

A CLOSER LOOK, RAJ PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR US. LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, KIMBERLY HORNS PROVIDED OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THAT.

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IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, IS AN AMENITY CENTER DRAWN IN THERE IN THAT AREA WHERE WE ARE NOT IMPACTING WETLANDS. IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF THE PROJECT.

STAFF REPORTS DID GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION, FINDS THE REQUEST COMPATIBLE WITH THE ZONING AREA. 5-2 VOTE AT PLANNING AND ZONING.

ONE THING THAT I WOULD ADD, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE EVERY NOW AND THEN THIS OCCURS WHERE YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT GOING, NOT JUST WHERE YOU ANTICIPATED IT, BUT ACTUALLY WHERE YOU ENCOURAGE IT. LET ME EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN EVERY APPLICATION THAT COMES THROUGH. CERTAINLY THERE IS ONES THAT FIT IN THIS AS WELL.

I DON'T MEAN TO MISLEAD YOU. I JUST MEAN TO TELL YOU THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT POINTED OUT. BUT IT'S VALUABLE INFORMATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN YOUR PACKAGE ON PAGE THREE OF THE STAFF REPORT, YOU'LL SEE THAT CLEARLY OUR PROJECT IS WELL WITHIN MIXED USE. THE ADDED THING, THOUGH, IS ON YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THE MAPPING IS WHERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. AND SO IF YOU TAKE THIS MAP AND BLOW IT UP AND LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE MIXED USE FOR THE 13 UNITS PER ACRE THAT THIS SITE COULD BE, NOWHERE NEAR THAT REQUESTING. ALSO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

WHAT THE COMP PLAN SAYS ON THOSE SITES, DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE THOSE AREAS DESIGNATED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WHICH DEPICT THE OVERALL FUTURE GROWTH PATTERN OF THE COUNTY.

CONTINUE TO DIRECT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES. AND I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE CAME OUT OF PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION INCLUDING MR. COPENHAVER SUPPORTING THE VOTE. FINAL LOOK AT THE SITE IN GENERAL. ONE THING THAT I WILL POINT OUT IS WE DO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ACCESS IN THIS NORTHERN LOCATION TO THE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, TO THE NORTH OF US.

MOST NOTABLY, MR. MICKLER WHO IS ONE OF THOSE WHO WILL ACCESS THROUGH HERE IS ALSO AN OWNER OF ABOUT EIGHT ACRES LOCATED CENTRAL OF OUR SITE. HIS FAMILY IS PRETTY WELL AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND THE FACT THAT ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED IN THIS WAY.

IN MANY REGARDS, IT'S A BETTER ACCESS THAN THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

>> I HAVE ONE FOR YOU. ON PAGE TEN OF THE MDP, UNDER INTERNAL ROADS, YOU SAY THE INTERNAL ROADS WILL BE PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAINED OR MAY BE MADE PUBLIC AND DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THOSE PRIVATELY.

>> YES, SIR. THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THERE. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU KNOW, YOU COME BACK, PLATTING, IF Y'ALL WANTED TO ACCEPT THE PLATTING.

>> IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE. >> IT'S A PLATTING ISSUE. IF IT NEVER GETS DEVELOPED, THEY HAVE THE ACCESS THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. IF IT DOES GET DEVELOPD, THEY'LL HAVE THE ACCESS OVER THE ROADS AND WHEN THE LOTS ARE PLATTED, OBVIOUSLY THE PLAT WOULD INDICATE ANY TITLE SEARCH OR PRESUMABLY SHOULD SHOW THEIR ACCESS ON THE TITLE OPINION.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> TO THAT POINT, WOULD THE EAS EAS EASEMENT OBLIGATE THE SURROUNDING OWNERS, IF THEY'RE

PRIVATE, DOES THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED. >> WHATEVER THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY SPELLED OUT.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE KB'S EXPECTATION THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NORTH WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE INTERNAL ROADS OF OUR PROJECT.

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IN THE PAST. >> YES, SIR. >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS COMMENT AND I THINK MR. BURNETT'S RESPONSE, THERE IS A BODY OF LAW ON EASEMENTS AND SORT OF RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS PERTAINING TO THOSE.

IT WOULD NOT BE UNFORESEEABLE IN THE FUTURE IF THERE WERE SOME TYPE OF DISPUTE THAT THERE WOULD BE CALLS MADE UPON THE COUNTY TO TRY TO EITHER INTERPRET OR SORT OUT OR WHATNOT. THOSE REALLY SHOULD BE I THINK CIRCUIT COURT CASE MATTERS.

BUT JUST HAVING THE EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, I COULD SEE THAT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY STAFF COULD CERTAINLY BE RECEIVING CALLS ABOUT THAT

ISSUE. >> I THINK TO AVOID THIS HAPPENING, IF MR. BURNETT WOULD CONSIDER LANGUAGE ON THAT. THIS IS A PUD UNLIKE THE VARIOUS MATTER, WHICH YOU HAD HEARD EARLY TODAY PERTAINING TO THE SHED, WHERE THE BOARD CAN IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS, THE BOARD CANNOT DO THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF A PUD, IF THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, RIGHT NOW I'VE HEARD COMMISSIONER SMITH, SORT OF MAKE, MY SENSE COMMISSIONER SMITH WOULD RATHER HAVE THE PRIVATE ROAD. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE APPLICANT.

BUT I THINK THIS MATTER OF SORT OF THE -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CANNOT IMPOSE ON THE APPLICANT. OF COURSE THE BOARD HAS THE OVERALL ABILITY TO APPROVE OR DENY THE WHOLE APPLICATION, BUT IT CANNOT IMPOSE A PARTICULAR THING.

MR. BURNETT MAY WANT TO REVISIT THAT AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYMORE COMFORT TO THE BOARD ON

THAT. >> STRIKING OUT THE LANGUAGE THAT SAID MAY BE MADE PUBLIC AND DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY AT THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE COUNTY.

IN PLACE OF THAT, INTERNAL ROADWAYS WILL BE PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAINED AND PROVIDE CONTINUED ACCESS TO THE NORTHERN PARCELS. STRIKE THE ONE, ADD THE OTHER, WE CAN EASILY E-MAIL MR. MCCORMACK THE PUD TEXT TODAY, IF THAT IS SATISFACTORY TO THE COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS

FROM THE BOARD? WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, BROOKSIDE PRESERVE. GOOD MORNING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS ALAN FRAZIER, I LIVE IN OHIO. I AM CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE BROOKSIDE PUD AND THE IMPACT THAT HAS BEEN OWNED BY OUR FAMILY FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS. 0262610010.

THIS IS A SEVEN-ACRE PARCEL LOCATED BETWEEN PUD AND I-95.

I'LL REFER TO THIS PARCEL AS THE FRAZIER PARCEL. WE HAVE A CONCERN REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL COMPATIBILITY. SPECIFICALLY WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THE STORMWATER WILL BE

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TO REPEAT MY SECOND QUESTION, WHEN WILL THE DEVELOPER BE REQUIRED TO SHOW STORMWATER CALCULATIONS AND WHEN WILL THAT INFORMATION BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW BY AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING FIRM. MAYBE THE DEVELOPER CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION ALSO.

FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW, I DON'T RECALL ANY MENTION BEING MADE OF THE FACT THAT 1.8 WETLANDS WOULD BE IMPACTED. I FEEL THAT ALL OF THAT IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONVEYED AT THE TIME SO WE WOULD ALL KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. THAT IS THE END OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. FRAZIER. >> ARE YOU GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO WATCH THE MEETING AND I'M SURE IT WILL HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

>> I WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

>> MR. FRAZIER, HAVE YOU HUNG UP YET? >> REBUTTAL FOR THE APPLICANT.

>> BRIEFLY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THE FRAZIER PARCEL, IN PART, THIS PARCEL IN THE LOCATION IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY AND PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF YOU'LL RECALL, THERE IS THE FOUNTAINS PROJECT, A COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT HAS GOT A NUMBER OF OUTPARCELS FOR RESTAURANTS OF THE LIKE.

PRETTY SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL SPACE. THAT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. THIS PARCEL I BELIEVE IS THE FRAZIER PARCEL. I LOOKED IT UP AS WE WERE TALKING.

LARGELY, IT'S WET. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT MR. FRAZIER HAS EXPRESSED.

WE WILL, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT KENLY HORN AS THE PROJECT ENGINEER.

VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COUNTY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT MEETS PREAND POST DEVELOPMENT STORMWATER DISCHARGE.

THOSE THINGS WILL BE CALCULATED, THE OVERALL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, REQUIRED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEM TO THE COUNTY WITH THE CALCULATIONS TO SHOW THAT WE'RE MEETING OUR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS. ONE THING TO NOTE IS ALSO IN THIS SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROJECT, WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE DOWN IN THE AREA OF THE PROPERTY, WE AREN'T IMPACTING THOSE. WE'RE LEAVING THOSE ALONE BECAUSE THERE IS THIS WETLAND STRAND THAT COMES THROUGH THIS AREA AND SO WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THAT AREA INTENTIONALLY AND PURPOSEFULLY, LEFT IT OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

SO AT LEAST NOT BEING DEVELOPED. IT'S IN THE OVERALL PUD BOUNDARY. BUT NOT BEING IMPACTED. THOSE WETLANDS.

WE'VE GOT THREE STORMWATER PONDS. KENLY HORN BELIEVES THAT WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE PROJECT. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, IT IS LARGELY CLEARED IN A GOOD PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.

YOU CAN SEE ALREADY WHAT IS THERE. JUST LOOKING AT THE AREA.

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WHICH WAY DOES THE WATER FLOW FROM THERE?

>> I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I THINK IT FLOWS MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS. I'VE BEEN TOLD NORTH TO SOME DEGREE.

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THAT. >> DOES THE FRAZIER PROPERTY, IS THAT ACCESSED BY AN EASEMENT ACROSS THIS PROPERTY ALSO? THE OTHER THREE OR FOUR PARCELS.

>> I'M NOT SURE OF THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. >> WE'RE NOT CERTAIN ON THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS ACCESS THROUGH THAT EASEMENT.

>> IT MAYBE LOOKS LIKE AN EASEMENT ON THIS COMING FROM THE NORTH.

>> YEAH. I SEE THAT LITTLE SLIVER ON THERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS

WELL. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE PROJECT.

AND DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ALLOWED TO CREATE A DAM EFFECT TO CAUSE FLOODING OF WATER COMING FROM ANOTHER PROPERTY ON TO THE PROPERTY, SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND IT'S NOT, A DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DISCHARGE MORE STORMWATER AFTER ITS DEVELOPED THAN BEFORE DEVELOPMENT. AS LONG AS IT'S DESIGNED PROPERLY, CALCULATIONS PERFORMED PROPERLY AND CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO THE STATE REGULATIONS.

THERE IS A GREATER CONCERN FOR DRYING OUT WETLANDS AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS THAN A FLOODING OF IT. AGAIN, NOT AN ENDORSEMENT, JUST A STATEMENT OF FACT, BASED ON

MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE STORMWATER. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I CAN TELL YOU AS WELL IS THE PROPERTY UP HERE, AND AROUND IS OWNED BY THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

JUST SO YOU KNOW. >> I'M SURE THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS WHEN IT COMES THROUGH FOR WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITTING AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OWNING PROPERTY THAT IS ABUTTING TO THE PROJECT, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT THAT IS FOR SURE AND WE'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT MR. JOHNS WAS MAKING, I GUESS THE ACCESS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, I THINK THERE ARE THREE HOMES. MR. BURNETT, COULD YOU, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE MDP TEXT, BUT COULD YOU HIGHLIGHT FOR THE BOARD IN THE TEXT WHERE THE

ACCESS LANGUAGE IS PERTAINING TO THOSE PROPERTIES. >> SURE.

IN PARTICULAR, WHAT I WAS PROPOSING IS ON PAGE 10 OF 22 OF THE PUD TEXT, UNDER SECTION 2, VEHICULAR ACCESS INTER-CONNECTIVITY, SUBPARAGRAPH A, INTERNAL ROADS, MIDWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PARAGRAPH IS THE LANGUAGE THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH POINTED OUT THAT SAID THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS WILL BE PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAINED.

EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT SENTENCE WOULD BE DELETED. AND THEN IN PLACE OF THE LANGUAGE THAT IS DELETED, THE LANGUAGE WOULD THEN BE ADDED THAT SAID AND PROVIDE CONTINUED

ACCESS FOR THE NORTHERN PARCELS. >> AND ARE THE NORTHERN PARCELS DESCRIBED SUFFICIENTLY OR DO THEY NEED TO BE MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED?

>> I GUESS THE ISSUE THERE WOULD BE WHATEVER ONES HAD A RIGHT THROUGH THE PROPERTY WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A RIGHT THROUGH THE PROPERTY. AND WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE A SITUATION FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

TO THE NORTH. >> SO BASICALLY FOR ANY PROPERTIES THAT HAVE EXISTING ACCESS RIGHTS THROUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> TRUE. AND OBVIOUSLY, THE ZONING DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO IMPACT ANYONE'S RIGHTS. SO CURRENTLY, THE WAY THEY TRAVERSE THE SITE THROUGH THE MIDDLE, LET ME JUST POINT THAT OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW THE HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED UP HERE, INSTEAD OF COMING OVER TO WHERE OUR NEW ROAD WOULD BE AND COME DOWN THROUGH THE PROJECT, THEY CURRENTLY COME RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT. SO THIS ISSUE OF WHO DRIVES WHERE INDEPENDENT THE ZONING HAS TO BE DEALT WITH IN A LEGAL MANNER.

AND SO THAT ISSUE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE ADDRESSED TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE FOLKS ACCESS INDEPENDENT OF THE ZONING. ONE STEP FURTHER, THOUGH, IF WE WERE TO COME THROUGH FOR PLATTING, WHICH IS THE LOGICAL THING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE SUBDIVISION.

GOT TO PLAT THE SUBDIVISION, IT'S REQUIRED. LEGAL OPINION OF TITLE IS GOING TO SHOW AND A SURVEY IS GOING TO REVEAL THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE TRAVERSING THROUGH THIS ROAD.

IT'S LABELED ON THERE. IT SHOWS UP ON THE AERIAL. IT SHOWS UP ON I MAP EVEN.

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ROAD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020-25 AS AMENDED TO APPROVE 2019-15 BROOKSIDE PRESERVE. SUBJECT TO NINE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> DOES THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND SECOND OF THE MOTION

RECOGNIZE THE TEXT CHANGE AS DESCRIBED BY MR. BURNETT >> AS AMENDED.

YES. >> WE STATED SO. >> I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME.

IF MR. BURNETT COULD COME BACK. I THINK MR. BURNETT HAS ADDRESSED THIS SOME.

BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE COULD BE ANY LANGUAGE IN THAT PARAGRAPH, ANY CURRENT ACCESS, RIGHTS ENJOYED BY IMMEDIATELY, ANY CURRENT ACCESS RIGHTS ENJOYED BY NEIGHBORING

PROPERTIES SHALL NOT BE DIMINISHED. >> I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS, SURE. MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE IN THE CODE TO REQUIRE OF ALL PUD.

BUT WHEN YOU REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYONE'S ACCESS.

YOUR NEIGHBOR COULD NOT REZONE NEXT TO YOU AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CAN'T DRIVE ACROSS WHATEVER YOUR ACCESS IS. YOUR LEGAL ACCESS IS YOUR LEGAL ACCESS.

>> SO COMMISSIONER JOHNS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. BURNETT DOES NOT OBJECT TO THAT LANGUAGE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE ADVANTAGES I GUESS IS THAT EXPRESSLY, I THINK MR. BURNETT IS CONNECT. PROBABLY THE LAW ULTIMATELY WOULD PROVIDE FOR THAT ANYWAY. BUT HAVING THAT LANGUAGE JUST RIGHT THERE IN THE TEXT, YOU

KNOW, I THINK MIGHT AVOID SOME FUTURE CONFUSION. >> I AGREE TO THE AMENDMENT.

>> I AGREE. >> MR. BURNETT. >> YES.

I CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO LATER TO MAKE SURE I GET THE LANGUAGE CORRECTLY.

IT SEEMS TO ME THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE NOTHING ABOUT THIS REZONING EXTINGUISHES OR

CHANGES ANY UNDERLYING ACCESS RIGHTS. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> YES. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CLARIFICATION.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> YES. >> I AM YES AS WELL.

PASSES 5-0. WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.

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ANYTHING NEED TO BE SAID? COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER >> NO, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> OTHER THAN DRIVING BY THE LOCATION ON A REGULAR BASIS, NOTHING.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> NONE, SIR. >> I HAVE NONE AS WELL.

MS. TAYLOR, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> GOOD MORNING. KAREN TAYLOR, LAND PLANNER, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ENTERPRISE RENTAL FLEET PARKING REZONING. MATT PHILLIPS WAS NOT ABLE TO COME TODAY, THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE SITE. AND THIS IS FOR ENTERPRISE, THE COMPANY ACTUALLY. SO JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH IT, EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHERE IT IS. BUT ANYWAY, SO HERE IS JUST AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH.

LOCATING THE SITE, THE MALL, 312, ACROSS AND U.S. 1. AND YOU KNOW THAT AREA IS VERY HIGHLY DEVELOPED. THIS ONE I INCLUDED THE SITE TO THE SOUTH, SINCE THAT IS WHERE THE EXISTING ENTERPRISE BUILDING IS. THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS ON THE NORTH. MIXED USE AREA, IT DOES BACK UP TO THE RESIDENTIAL FOR ST.

AUGUSTINE SOUTH. AGAIN, SHOWING THE EXISTING SITE AS WELL AS THIS SITE AND HOW THEY RELATE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. ZONING IS QUITE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL ZONING IN THIS AREA, ANYTHING FROM CJ TO CI.

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SO THE SITE IS ONLY .24 ACRES. IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE AND IT THE REQUEST IS FROM CG TO CI TO PROVIDE FOR THE RENTAL FLEET PARKING. AND THAT WOULD BE TO THE ADJACENT ENTERPRISE RENTAL CAR BUSINESS TO THE SOUTH. IT DOESN'T HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING. THOSE AROUND HERE MIGHT HAVE SEEN THAT.

MAYBE NOT RIGHT NOW. BUT DURING ANY KIND OF BUSY TIMES, THEY'VE HAD ACTUALLY PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND PLACES TO PARK AND PARKING ALONG THE ROAD.

THE ZONING IS CG AND CG WOULD ALLOW FOR PARKING EXCEPT THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE CI USE SO YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE CI USE OF THE ENTERPRISE. SO THAT WOULD GIVE BOTH PARCELS THE SAME ZONING AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE AS ONE. THE SITE'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A 3000 SQUARE FOOT TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND A BILL BOARD THAT WON'T BE REMOVED. BOTH SITES HAVE A RETAINING WALL THAT RUNS ALONG THE SIDE TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AN EASEMENT THAT EXISTS IN THE BACK OF A COUPLE LOTS. I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU IN A MINUTE.

AND THAT PROVIDES THE STABILITY FOR THE SITE. U.S. 1 IS A BIT HIGHER THAN ST.

AUGUSTINE SOUTH WOULD BE. THE ROADS IN THAT, SO THAT PROVIDES FOR THAT AND HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO WE ARE NOT REZONING THAT EASEMENT.

WE'RE JUST REZONING THE PROPERTY SO THE BUFFERS THAT ARE IN YOUR CODE WILL BE REQUIRED ON THE SITE. AND THEN THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE AND BUFFER ALREADY PROVIDED WITHIN THAT EASEMENT AND THAT WILL REMAIN. SO YOU'LL KIND OF HAVE DOUBLE.

SO AGAIN, BETWEEN THE ENTERPRISE RENTAL CAR AND A GAS STATION TO THE NORTH.

KIND OF SHOWS THIS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, SHOWS THE SITE AND HOW IT'S DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN SEE EVEN THAT BUILDING AND PARKING GOES INTO THAT EASEMENT.

I DID ONE WITH THE BOTH OF THEM AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT CLEARER ON THAT ONE.

ANY BUFFERING IN RELATIONSHIP IS HERE. THIS IS PROVIDED FOR PARKING ONLY. THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ANY BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.

20 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SITE. SO THE EXISTING FENCE THAT EXISTS ALONG HERE WILL STILL REMAIN. THERE WILL BE FENCING REQUIRED HERE.

THIS SITE WAS DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THAT CODE REQUIREMENT. THEY DO HAVE THE BUFFER AREA ALREADY EXISTING. THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE EXISTING ENTERPRISE SITE TO THE NEW SITE TO THE NORTH. THIS SHOWS YOU THE EASEMENT AREA, BASICALLY THE BACK OF THE BUILDING HERE, EASEMENT AREA IS BETWEEN THAT. EXISTING FENCE AND THEN THERE IS THE EXISTING VEGETATION ON THAT PORTION OF THE SITE. THAT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.

YOU WOULD BE LOOKING SOUTH FROM THAT. THERE IS RETAINING WALL AND FENCE ALONG THAT THAT SEPARATES THOSE TWO SITES RIGHT NOW. TO GIVE YOU THE FENCING AND VEGETATION THAT EXISTS THERE. WITH THAT, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A LOGICAL CHOICE TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING RATHER THAN HAVE TO MOVE THIS BUSINESS. IT CAN BE MODIFIED TO ACT

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MIXED OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN THAT EXISTS.

THIS SITE ACTING JUST FOR THE PARKING WILL BE LESS INTENSE THAN MANY OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITHIN CI ZONING THAT COULD BE PUT ON THE SITE. SO WITH THAT, WE FEEL THE ADJACENT LAND USES WOULD BE DEEMED COMPATIBLE. SIMILAR IN USES AND INTENSITY.

LOGICAL INCLUSION IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT. WE ARE PROVIDING BUFFERS AND SETBACKS PER THE CODE, AS MENTIONED, THERE IS EXISTING ONES IN PLACE.

WE'RE ADDING TO THOSE. WE WILL CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN.

WE FEEL THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS POLICIES, AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE DID RECEIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM PLANNING AND ZONING. WE WILL REQUEST APPROVAL AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, ENTERPRISE RENTAL FLEET PARKING.

>> I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020-26. REZONING 2020-02, ENTERPRISE RENTAL FLEET PARKING REZONING. REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY .24 ACRES OF LAND FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY DISCUSSION, COMMENTS. SEEING NONE, WE'LL PROCEED WITH

A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> YES.

>> I'M YES AS WELL. 5-0. >> MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM

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NUMBER 8. MR. DUNN GOING TO PRESENT. >> GOOD MORNING.

JESSIE DUNN DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, AS WELL AS PROCUREMENT AND CONTRACTS. OPEN UP THIS DISCUSSION REGARDING PURCHASING RFP 20-49 FOR TEMPORARY STAFFING SERVICES. THERE IS NO PRESENTATION.

THERE WAS A LARGE PACKET OF INFORMATION. I WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE INTRODUCTORY INFORMATION. PURCHASING DEPARTMENT UTILIZES REALLY TWO MAIN FORMAL MECHANISMS FOR SOLICITING COMPETITIVE RESPONSES FROM PROSPECTIVE VENDORS.

ONE IS A BID OR INVITATION TO BID, WHICH PRIMARILY IS CONCERNED WITH THE PRICING COMPONENT. COMPARABLE WOULD BE IF WE PUT OUT SPECS FOR LET'S SAY A FACILITY. WE WANTED EXACT SPECS AND WE WOULD PUT IT OUT TO A CONTRACTOR AND THEY WOULD GIVE US A PRICE ON THAT. IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD DO A LOWEST PRICE CONSIDERATION ON A BID. THE OTHER TYPE OF SOLICITATION IS WHAT IS CALLED A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR AN RFP, IN THIS CASE, 2049, WHICH WHILE IT CERTAINLY BRINGS PRICING IN AS A COMPONENT, IT REQUESTS OTHER INFORMATION, TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, SPECIALIZED CAPABILITIES OR ANY ADDITIONAL RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE A PRODUCT OR SERVICE. SO THERE IS A DECISION POINT TO EITHER GO BID OR RFP.

FOR TEMPORARY SERVICES, AND THIS IS THE THIRD SOLICITATION FOR TEMPORARY SERVICES.

THE COUNTY UTILIZED THE RFP PROCESS. BEYOND PRICING.

WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OTHER CRITERIA AS WELL. IN 2010, THERE WAS AN RFP SOLICITATION. IN 2015, ALSO AN RFP SOLICITATION.

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THEY WORK PART OF OUR SUMMER PROGRAMS. THERE ARE LIFEGUARDS, THEY WORK AT THE AMPHITHEATER. TURTLE PATROL. THEY'RE COLLECTING REVENUE AT OUR BEACH ACCESS FOR BEACH TOLLS. SO THERE IS CERTAINLY A SCREENING PROCESS. CERTAINLY OCCASIONS ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE FEW OF THOSE, WHERE THE COUNTY MAY UTILIZE TEMPORARY STAFFING FOR SOME TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, POSSIBLY IN AN ENGINEERING CAPACITY, LARGELY FOR A NON-RECURRING ENGINEERING ITEMS. FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, I'M SORRY, THIS PARTICULAR RFP, THERE WERE FOUR EVALUATORS CHOSEN TO EVALUATE THE RFP PROCESS.

AGAIN, THERE WAS A CRITERIA ESTABLISHED. THE IDEA OF HAVING FOUR EVALUATORS, REPRESENTATIVE OF A CROSS SECTION OF THE COUNTY, IT IS THE INTENT TO CREATE WHAT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE REVIEW OF IT. RATHER THAN A SUBJECTIVE VIEW WHERE LET'S SAY PURCHASING USED TO REFER IT TO AS STACKING THE DECK.

LET'S SAY, PUBLIC WORKS, THEY HAD AN ENGINEERING PROJECT, YOU DON'T WANT EVERYONE ON THE EVALUATION TEAM NECESSARILY TO BE A PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEER. THEY MAY HAVE SOME PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OF PERHAPS ONE OF THE AGENCIES OR ANOTHER. AND THIS IS REALLY MEANT TO BE A FAIR OPEN EVALUATION PROCESS. SO PURCHASING HAS ALWAYS TAKEN A CROSS SECTION PERSPECTIVE.

FOUR EVALUATORS FROM BEACH SERVICES. ONE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION AND ONE FROM OMB, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I ENCOURAGE MY STAFF TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE WHENEVER POSSIBLE. THE CRITERIA FOR THIS RFP INCLUDED, I HAD INCLUDED A MEMO IN THE PACKET AND THERE IS AN ERROR IN THERE. I'LL NOTE THAT.

20 POINTS FOR CONTRACTOR AND STAFF QUALIFICATIONS. 20 POINTS FOR RELATED EXPERIENCE. AND THAT INCLUDEDED A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH AT LEAST ONE MUNICIPALITY OF SIMILAR SIZE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WHICH YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IF THAT INCLUDED ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A HIGHER POINTS EVALUATION.

20 POINTS FOR APPROACH AND INNOVATION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE RECRUITING, THE SCREENING, ANY NECESSARY TRAINING, METHODS TO ENSURE LONGEVITY OF QUALITY EMPLOYEES, CAPABILITY TO WORK WITH ALTERNATE PROVIDERS OF SERVICE, AS WE'VE DONE SINCE 2010, 20 POINTS FOR QUALITY AND

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FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM, BASED UPON THE RANKINGS OF THE FOUR EVALUATORS AND THEN THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT REFERENCE CHECK, WHICH YIELDED FAVORABLE RESPONSES, THE RECOMMENDATION HEREIN TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TOP TWO RANKED FIRMS 22ND CENTURY TECHNOLOGIES AND STAFFING OF ST. AUGUSTINE. WITH THAT, I HAVE LEE DANIELS, THE ASSISTANT PURCHASING MANAGER HERE AS WELL AS SARA TAYLOR AND KATE BROWN FROM

PERSONNEL AS WELL AS I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, MR. DUNN.

THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT OVERVIEW. THOROUGH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, STAFF. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO IN THE PAST WE'VE DONE, KELLY SERVICES, DID THEY OVERLAP ON BOTH THE SAME SERVICES OR WERE THEY USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR ONE PARTICULAR

AREA? >> GOOD MORNING. >> SARA TAYLOR, THEY DID OVERLAP. WE WOULD USE THEM AS A DUAL RESOURCE IN CASE WE HAD OTHER

NEEDS OR CERTAIN POSITIONS THAT WE WERE INQUIRING ABOUT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? >> PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER 8, TEMPORARY STAFFING SERVICES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD. I WILL MOVE THIS IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020-188.

AUTHORIZING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DESIGNEE TO AWARD RFP TO A RANKED FIRM, SHOULD BE

FIRMS, AS PROVIDED HEREIN. >> TO YOUR NUMBER ONE AND TWO RANKED FIRMS.

>> PLURAL AS PROVIDED HEREIN TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS AND EXECUTE CONTRACTS, IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM OR FORMAT ATTACHED FOR PERFORMANCES OF THE SERVICES

PROVIDED IN RFP >> SECOND >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> THERE WILL BE BOTH CONTACT FOR BOTH STAFFING OR WE USE STAFFING ST. AUGUSTINE FIRST

>> WE WOULD REACH OUT TO, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ARRANGEMENTS FOR STAFFING IN ST. AUGUSTINE FOR EXISTING POSITIONS. WE WOULD CONTINUE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. THERE ARE CERTAIN POSITIONS THAT WE BELIEVE THE OTHER VENDOR WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE. WE WOULD RESEARCH THAT.

>> HAVE WE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH STAFFING OF ST. AUGUSTINE? >> NOT NECESSARILY.

THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDED, WE CONTINUED TO HAVE EXCELLENT RESULTS.

THE STAFFING THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THEM HAS BEEN ADEQUATE. >> GREAT.

THANK YOU. >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE, SARA, IF YOU DON'T MIND, HAS THIS THE

WAY IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, WITH KELLY SERVICES AS WELL? >> YES.

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WE HAVE PRIMARILY USED STAFFING IN ST. AUGUSTINE PRIMARILY. >> THE REASON I ASKED THAT, PRICE POINT, THEY'RE RANKED NUMBER ONE, DEFINITELY HAD THE BEST PRICING OF EVERYBODY.

TWO OUT OF THE FOUR RANKERS RANKED THEM NUMBER ONE. IT'S INTERESTING TO ME TO GO OVER AND LOOK AT THE PROCESS. I LIKE HAVING ESPECIALLY YOUR OVERVIEW JESSIE ABOUT IT WAS THOROUGH AND UNDERSTANDING. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY WELL VETTED PROCESS.

TO HAVE THE TOP TWO RANKED IS HELPFUL AS WELL. WE'LL GET THE BEST SERVICE AND SERVICES OUT OF THESE EMPLOYEES. SO APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I JUST, AS I STATED BEFORE, MY CONCERN TOO IS WE HAVE A LOCAL COMPANY, LOCAL RESIDENTS CREATING JOBS IN OUR COUNTY, FULL-TIME JOBS AND HAVE STRUCTURES AND FACILITIES.

AND THAT IS ALWAYS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME ON THAT. >> IF I COULD ELABORATE TO YOUR QUESTION. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT AVAILABLE RESOURCES EACH VENDOR MIGHT HAVE. WE MAY SEEK OUT A POSITION AND ONE COMPANY OR ANOTHER MAY NOT HAVE A CANDIDATE AVAILABLE FOR THAT TYPE OF JOB. SO HAVING THEM BOTH AS AN OPPORTUNITY, WE THINK IS HELPFUL FOR US, SO THAT WE IDENTIFY THAT WE HAVE THIS

IMMEDIATE NEED, WE NEED AN IMMEDIATE CANDIDATE. >> WELL, IF YOU NEED AN EXTRA ATTORNEY, I'LL SUB OUT MR. DEAN. I DON'T NEED TO GET PAID.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER MAY COMPETE. HOLD ON.

>> HE'S OUT OF TOWN, THOUGH. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, THE WAY HE LOOKED AT YOU, THAT WAS NOT

GOING TO HAPPEN. >> NO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL VOTE, COMMISSIONER

DEAN. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> YES. >> I'M A YES AS WELL.

THANK YOU JESSIE FOR A VERY THOROUGH REVIEW. MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM

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>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MELISSA LUNDQUIST. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU NOW IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE'VE LOST ONE OF OUR MEMBERS LATER LAST YEAR, DUE TO THE PASSING OF MR. HERBIE WILES. IT WAS A REQUIREMENT OF SPECIFICALLY A ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT. WE DID ADVERTISE THIS FOR THE END OF LAST YEAR, FIRST PART OF THIS YEAR. WE RECEIVED 13 APPLICATIONS. IN YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL HAVE ITH A RECOMMENDATIO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE ITSELF. SO THAT IS THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. >> THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. LUNDQUIST. SEEING NONE.

OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, APPOINTMENT TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

>> GOOD MORNING. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIGONTINE COURT. IF YOU HAVE ANY VOTES ITEMS, IF YOU WOULD GIVE A ONE MINUTE DELAY. I JUST CALLED IN TO DO A PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WAS UNABLE TO GET IN BECAUSE THE DELAY IS LIKE 90 SECOND DELAY NOW.

SO IF YOU DO ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE GIVE 90 SECOND DELAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY

OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> MAKE A MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE HERE, PERHAPS YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CORRECT ME.

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>> DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT FOR YOU? >> PLEASE.

THANK YOU. >> MOTION TO APPOINT JAY W BRAXTON, JR. TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A FULL FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE JUNE 2ND, 2024.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> SEEING NONE, WE'LL PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> YES. >> I'M A YES AS WELL. SO MR. BRAXTON WILL NOW BE ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. THEREFORE, WE WILL MOVE INTO

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COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. >> NONE. Ô> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST REFLECT ON SOMETHING.

I'VE HAD A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO WITNESS FIRSTHAND SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THAT OUR STATE AND COUNTRY ARE GOING THROUGH DOWN HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. ASK EVERYONE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY IN THEIR PRAYERS AND KEEP OUR STATE AND COUNTRY IN THEIR PRAYERS.

DIFFICULT TIME. AND THESE ARE CHALLENGING TIMES FOR LEADERS.

GOD HAS PUT US IN A POSITION TO BE LEADERS AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE DIFFICULT TIMES. IT'S EVIDENT THAT OUR NATION NEEDS HEALING RIGHT NOW AND I APPRECIATE THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

BUT I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND HAVE HEALING.

AND RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME. UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THAT UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL IN RECENT DAYS.

I HAD CONTACTED GENERAL FLEMING ABOUT THE FIRE WATCH. HE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A PRESENTATION TO US. EVERY 3 MONTHS, 6 MONTHS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE IS CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD, TO ASK GENERAL FLEMING TO COME AND BRIEF US WITH WHERE WE ARE ON VETERANS SUICIDE. HE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN 15 MINUTES, IF THAT.

BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US AS A BOARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING USED AND WHAT SOME OF THE BENEFITS ARE TO OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD ASK THAT WE COULD MAYBE

HAVE CONSENSUS ON PUTTING THAT ON AN UPCOMING MEETING. >> I THINK WE ALL WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. NOT A PROBLEM. ANYTHING ELSE COMMISSIONER

BLOCKER? >> NO, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR CALLING IN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AND YOU'RE IN OUR

PRAYERS ESPECIALLY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> REALLY, I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE A LUNCH BREAK. I LEFT THE YOUNG PERSON'S NAME UP IN MY PHONE. BUT SOMEBODY MAY KNOW THEIR NAME.

WE HAD THE SPACE X LAUNCH, WHICH IS A PRETTY EXCITING THING FOR HAVING ASTRONAUTS BACK IN SPACE. BUT A YOUNG PERSON THAT ATTENDED ST. AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL WAS ACTUALLY THE COMMANDER OR HELPED WITH THE LAUNCH.

WHICH IS PRETTY NEAT. 2006 GRADUATE. WE HAVE A LOT OF AMAZING YOUNG PEOPLE FROM OUR COUNTY DOING AMAZING THINGS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE NAME WITH ME. IT'S IN MY PHONE, WHICH I DON'T BRING MY PHONE INTO THE MEETINGS. I SEE MR. GOLDMAN HERE, IF WE

COULD MAYBE ASK FOR A REPORT FROM HIM ON IF HE DOESN'T MIND. >> MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND DID

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WHICH SEEMS TO BE WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING. THIS PAST WEEK WAS FAIRLY SLOW, MANY OF US WHO HAVE BEEN DOWNTOWN KNOW THAT THIS WEEK WAS PRETTY SLOW.

BUT THE HOTELIERS ON THE BEACH ARE BEGINNING TO SHOW SOME PICK-UP INTO THE FUTURE.

ADVANCED RESERVATION. GLIMMER OF LIGHT THAT WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE.

AND HOPEFULLY KINDLE. >> JUST TO KIND OF ASK YOU ABOUT THERE ARE DISCREPANCIES IN NUMBERS YOU GAVE OF UNEMPLOYMENT VERSUS STATE NUMBERS.

>> RIGHT. >> CAN YOU BRING SOME LIGHT ON THAT.

>> I CAN. AT THE POINT AT WHICH WE MADE OUR PRESENTATION, A WEEK AGO, TWO WEEKS AGO, I GUESS IT IS NOW, THE DATA FOR APRIL STATE DATA FOR APRIL WAS NOT PUBLISHED. THE STATE DATA IS BASED ON CLAIMANTS, NOT NECESSARILY ACTUAL UNEMPLOYMENT. WE HAD TO MAKE AN ESTIMATE BASED ON ESTIMATES OF, WE BASED IT ON OCCUPANCY FOR HOTELS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, OVER THE COURSE OF MARCH, APRIL, AND MAY TO THAT DATE. WHICH WAS THE THIRD WEEK IN MAY.

AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE PROJECTED THAT DECLINE IN BUSINESS, AN AVERAGE OF 63 PERCENT OFF BUSINESS. WE APPLIED THAT TO THE DIRECT AND INDIRECT EMPLOYMENT OF TOURISTIC JOBS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, 29,000. ESTABLISHED FROM ECONOMIC IMPACT REPORT DONE BACK IN 2017. SO WE APPLIED THAT 63 PERCENT TO THAT AND CAME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE OF 18,367 JOBS OPEN. WE'LL FEEL AT THAT TIME THAT IT WAS ALSO CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE WE SAW OCCUPANCIES IN THE MONTH OF APRIL OF 15 PERCENT.

WE KNOW THAT MOST RESTAURANTS WERE CLOSED. THOSE THAT WERE OPENED FOR PICK-UP AND FOR TAKE-OUT WERE NOT FULLY STAFFED. THEY WERE DOWN TO BASICALLY KITCHEN AND SOME HANDLING STAFF. SO WE KNOW ALL ATTRACTIONS WERE COMPLETELY CLOSED. SO BASED ON THAT, WE FELT THAT THAT FIGURE 18,367 WAS A REASONABLE APPROACH TO THAT DECISION. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THE STATE PUBLISHED THEIR NUMBERS. TODAY IT WAS 14,400. WE WORKED WITH WHAT WE HAD AT THE TIME, WOULD SEEM LOGICAL TO APPLY TO THE BUSINESS. BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN HIGH.

>> LOGICALLY THAT NUMBER SHOULD COME DOWN FOR MAY. >> FOR JUNE, WE EXPECT IT TO

COME DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE BUSINESSES OPEN NOW. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO US.

ONE OF THE MOST ACCURATE STATEMENTS I HEARD WAS PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM THIS MORNING, WHERE THE REMI MODEL MADE A STATEMENT THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION REGARDING GDP. THE PREDICTION SWINGS FROM NEGATIVE 24 PERCENT TO POSITIVE 14 PERCENT. BUT THEY PREFACED IT WITH THIS IS A PREDICTION.

IT'S LIKE PREDICTING IN MANY WAYS HURRICANE PATHS. SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS AFFECT IT. BUT IT'S ONE THING TO MAKE A PREDICTION.

IT'S ANOTHER TO USE THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE REQUESTS OF TAXPAYER FUNDS.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS. BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR MONEY THAT WE'RE, WE ALL HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES AND PEOPLE AND FUNDING.

SO WE TAKE YOU AS THE CEO OF THE VISITORS CONVENTION BUREAU AS SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERTISE IN ACCURATELY PREDICTING INFORMATION. WE'RE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD WHENEVER WE GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT ANYTHING, THE COLOR OF

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THE BAD JOKE WHENEVER SOMEONE IS HIRING A STATISTICIAN IS WHAT IS ONE PLUS ONE THE ACCURATE ANSWER IS WHAT DO YOU WANT IT TO BE. I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAD AN AGENDA. YOU CAME TO US ASKING FOR MONEY.

I HAVE CONCERNS WITH WHOEVER IS BRINGING INFORMATION TO US. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPORT TO THAT HAVE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT YOU REPRESENT, AS DO OTHERS THAT ARE ASKING FOR THE SAME POT OF MONEY. MANY REQUESTS FOR THOSE FUNDS.

WE HAVE TO BE JUDICIOUS IN MAKING SURE WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISIONS ON COMPLETE AND ACCURATE INFORMATION. NOT ON PREDICTIONS. SO THAT IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASK. IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON YOU, BUT IT IS A REFLECTION ON THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED THROUGH YOU. AND WE HOLD PEOPLE TO THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDE. I'VE DONE THE SAME THING TO STAFF, WHEN THEY COME TO US AND SAY THIS WAIVER, DEVIATION IS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE, I'VE TOLD THEM THAT I'M WRITING IT DOWN AND I'M GOING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THE END RESULTS COME ABOUT.

THEY ARE PREDICTIONS, BUT THEY SHOULD BE BASED ON FACTUAL INFORMATION AND PREFACED AS SUCH. IF IT'S AS DIRECT AS IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION, HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE, I WILL RESPECT THAT. MAGNITUDE OF FOUR

>> 18 >> 60,000 WAS IN THE TOURISM DEMOGRAPHIC NOT COUNTY WIDE.

YOU SAID 18 FOR TOURISM. YOU SAID 60 SOMETHING THOUSAND UNEMPLOYED COUNTY WIDE.

I WROTE IT DOWN. >> YEAH. I THINK 18 WAS ALL WE PREDICTED. I MAY HAVE MISHEARD IT. I'M NOT PERFECT.

AND AGAIN, THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING DAY COULD BE REFUTED BY ANOTHER PREDICTION, BASED ON WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON. REQUEST FOR FOOD, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. I UNDERSTAND. IT'S BASED ON THE MODEL THAT SPITS OUT THE INFORMATION AND THE INPUT THAT IS PROVIDED. I SIMPLY WANT TO SAY I DON'T ENVY YOUR POSITION. BUT I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND OURS. AND THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE WHETHER IT'S FOR SANDS ON THE BEACHES, MARKETING FOR TOURISM, FOR UNEMPLOYMENT, FOR FOOD DISTRIBUTION, FOR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THERE WILL BE LIMITED MANPOWER AND FUNDING AND THAT IS WHY WHEN NUMBERS COME OUT SO CLOSE TOGETHER, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THE BASIS OF THOSE NUMBERS, AND THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS

THAT WE CAN STAND BY SHORT-TERM AND LONG TERM. >> I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN METRICS AND BEING ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE METRICS. I CERTAINLY EXPECT FOR YOU TO BE EXERCISING THAT DISCRETION.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE WILL WORK HARD TO GET THAT LOAN REPAID BACK AS SOON AS

POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION OR POSITION AS ACCURATELY AS I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION. I AM THE COMMISSIONER THAT PROPOSED THE FUNDING OF THE INCREASED ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN. LET'S START WITH THE LARGEST NUMBER. THE LARGEST NUMBER, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 125,000 EMPLOYED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LARGE NUMBER. THAT INCLUDES PRIVATE AND PUBLIC TOTAL. LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL, TOTAL NUMBER.

125. THE 66,000 NUMBER, COMMISSIONER JOHNS, IS THE TOTAL NUMBER IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THAT IS NOT AN UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER.

TOTAL EMPLOYED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. 66,000, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 29,000 THAT WERE EMPLOYED EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY IN THE TOURIST INDUSTRY.

THAT NUMBER COMES FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 29,000.

I SPOKE WITH MR. GOLDMAN BEFORE THE MEETING WHEN THIS ISSUE CAME UP, AND HE CAVEATED HIS COMMENT TO ME, HE GAVE -- BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW. I AM THE ONE WHO ASKED HIM THE QUESTION AND I AM THE ONE WHO STATED THE 18,000 AT THAT MEETING.

SO IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL AS HIS. HE TOLD ME CLEARLY THAT THIS

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IT WAS NOT AN EXACT FIGURE. HE ASSURED ME, IF YOU GO BACK AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT OF THAT MEETING, THIS MEETING THAT WE HAD THEN, I THINK THAT I SAID, YOU CAN LOOK, THAT THIS IS A VERY ROUGH NUMBER. AN ESTIMATE OF 18,000. NOW, THAT IS HOW THAT CAME DOWN IN MY MEMORY. NOW, WHERE ARE WE TODAY? AS OF LAST FRIDAY, THERE WERE 14,400 UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY PROCESSED BY DOE, DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. DEO HAS PROCESSED SUCCESSFULLY 14,400 UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IF YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES IN THE LAST MONTH, AND THE GOVERNOR'S PRESS CONFERENCES, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE UNEMPLOYMENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN, THAT THAT COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT WE PAID STATE TAXPAYERS, $77 MILLION FOR, THE GOVERNOR HAS REFERRED TO AS A GALOPY AS OPPOSED TO A SMOOTH RUNNING VEHICLE. I THINK THE 14,000 NUMBER IS PRETTY LOW.

I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS FROM THIS COUNTY THAT HAVE YET TO BE SUCCESSFULLY PROCESSED. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT I THINK THERE ARE MANY PART-TIME EMPLOYEES IN THE INDUSTRY, IN THE TOURIST INDUSTRY THAT NOT ONLY WOULD ADD TO THE NUMBER, BUT ARE NOT EVEN COVERED BY UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE AND THEY'RE OUT THERE WITH NO BENEFITS. ZERO. SO I WOULD STAND BY MR. GOLDMAN AND HIS COMMENTS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, COMMISSIONER, WE DID THE BEST WE COULD WITH WHAT WE HAD TO WORK WITH AND IT WAS AN ESTIMATE. BUT THAT IS MY EXPLANATION OF

HOW THOSE NUMBERS FIT >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

READY FOR REGULAR COMMENTS? >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU, MR. GOLDMAN.

>> THANK YOU. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER THAT BROUGHT UP INTERACTION AND COMMERCE WITH CHINESE FIRMS. AND SERVICES AND CONTRACTS WITH THE COUNTY A FEW WEEKS AGO. IT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT OUR COUNTY INVESTMENTS.

RETIREMENT FUNDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND WHAT IF ANY, CHINESE INVESTMENTS IS ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AFFILIATED WITH IN OUR FUNDS, WHETHER IT'S TRUST FUNDS, RETIREMENT FUNDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE BOARD WOULD SUPPORT ASKING OMB TO LOOK AT SPECIFIC INVESTMENTS TO WHATEVER EXTENT THAT CAN BE VERIFIED AND PROVIDE A REPORT BACK TO US AND POSSIBLE OPTIONS WHAT ELSE THAT COULD BE INVESTED IN, THAT WOULD BE STABLE. BUT NOT ENCOURAGING THAT RELATIONSHIP TO CONTINUE.

IF REASONABLY UNDERSTOOD BY THOSE WHO PERFORM THOSE INVESTMENTS.

INVESTING IS NOT MY EXPERTISE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT RIPPLE EFFECT I COULD HAVE.

I'M NOT ASKING TO PULL EVERYTHING OUT IN CASH, BUT LOOK AT WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS, VERSUS INVESTING IN ANY CHINESE AFFILIATED OWNED INVESTMENTS. THROUGH WHATEVER VENUES THAT WE HAVE AT THE COUNTY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THE BOARD?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS MR. BLOCKER. >> I THINK IT'S AN OUTSTANDING IDEA. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER JOHNS BRINGING THAT UP.

I WOULD JUST ADD ONE CAVEAT TO THAT. I THINK YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR INVESTMENTS ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INVESTMENT FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN TIED IN WITH YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE CORPORATION ARMY OF CHINA. RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH ISSUES ON CHINA.

I THINK THAT IS A GREAT POINT. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT INADVERTENTLY FUNDING THAT. THIS IS A FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE, BUT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO HAVE OUR STAFF LOOK INTO THIS. MAKE SURE WE'RE SUPPORTING

AMERICAN OWNED COMPANIES AND NOT POTENTIAL ADVERSARIES. >> THANK YOU.

HOPEFULLY THAT IS READILY AVAILABLE INFORMATION. IF WE COULD GET A PRELIMINARY

REPORT BACK BY OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING. >> JUST SO YOU'RE ALL AW THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE DOES MANAGE THE

>> WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND ASKED THEM TO IDENTIFY AND MR. DUNN CAN GET WITH THEM TO

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WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIR THAT'S FORMAL FOR DIRECTION THERE SHOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT.

>> I DO THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS ACROSS THE BOARD WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL BE COGNIZANT OF THE 92ND DELAY AT THIS POINT OKAY.

>> WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MR. CHAIR, WHILE THAT TIME PERIOD IS RUNNING THERE IS THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA, WHICH IS THE LARGE LAND MASS AND THEN THERE IS THE PUBLIC OF CHINA, WHICH IS ALSO CALLED TAIWAN. I PRESUME THAT THE BOARD IS REFERRING TO THE REPUBLIC OF

CHINA. >> AS X THIS IS COMMISSIONER LOEFFLER. I THINK I REFERENCED MR. JOHNSON AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY WHICH IS AFFILIATED WITH COMMUNIST CHINA.

SO THANK YOU FOR DRAWING THAT DISTINCTION. I THINK WE MENTIONED THAT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DO HAVE CONSENSUS ÃMICHAEL

DUNN. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> TOM REYNOLDS, SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH 32080. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND ALL OF YOU GENTLEMEN. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

PLEASE GO FOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> WAS PUBLIC, CLOSE WE HAVE CONSENSUS. WE'LL TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME THANK YOU.

>> MY COMMENTS THIS MORNING I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP THEM SIMPLE. FOOD FOR THOUGHT THE TABLE MARKET IS STRONG THERE'S GOOD MOVEMENT THE CHIP MARKET IS GOOD.

THERE'S A NEED FOR HASTINGS POTATOES RIGHT NOW. SOD IS STEADY AND IT'S MOVING.

SOME OF THE OLDER PLANNING IS LOOKING ROUGH BECAUSE OF A LACK THEREOF AND WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE RAIN THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN. AND ADMINISTRATION.

>> ONE THING FOR THE BOARD. I GOT A LETTER, A PROPOSED LETTER TO BRING TO THE BOARD THAT WILL COME FROM MR. CHAIR OR THE ADMINISTRATOR WHATEVER THE BOARD CHOOSES.

OR ASKING TO SEND LETTERS TO REGIONAL COUNSEL RELATED TO THE CARE SECTOR ECONOMIC DEVELOP AND GRANT. THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $200,000.

I WAS WORKING ON THIS TO MAKE SURE -- THE ESTIMATE IS 200,000 A COULD BE MORE OR LESS.

THAT'S AN 80/20 MATCH ON THE FUNDS. A 20 PERCENT COULD POTENTIALLY ROLL TO THE COUNTY OF THE APPROXIMATE 200,000, BUT WE WOULD BE SEEKING THE MAX FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AN OPPORTUNITY. SO FROM DEL WOULD LOOK TO SECURE THE ADDITIONAL 20 PERCENT BONDS. THAT IS A GRANT.

SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR BOARD CONSENSUS ON THAT LETTER. THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE USED SPECIFICALLY AS WERE DEVELOPING OUR ECONOMIC PLAN FOR THE IMPACT AND THE RESPONSE TO KOVIC. THAT'S A QUICK DESCRIPTION. THE APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE AND THE POTENTIAL MATCH AN OBLIGATION TO THE COUNTY AND AM LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON SENDING A LETTER TO JACK'S USA AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNSEL FOR THEIR SUPPORT SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE.

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>> DISCUSSION COMMENT? DISCUSSION CAN.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HAVE THREE HEADS SHAKEN RAMMING WOULD YOU AGREE AS WELL OR

WOULD YOU COMMENT. >> YES, SIR.

I'M SHAKING MY HEAD AS WELL IN AGREEMENT.

>> OKAY. WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON A LETTER FOR A GRANT REQUEST.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO NOT SEE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. WE ASKED MOVE

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