Mar 03, 2020 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order]

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>> BY NOW CALLED ORDER THIS TUESDAY, MARCH 3, 2020 REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS. THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? >>

>> I WOULD NOW LIKE TO ASK THE PASTOR TO COME FORWARD TO GIVE US THE INVOCATION.

>> ACCORDING TO YOUR WORD WE MAY PETITIONS AND THANKSGIVING ON BEHALF OF ALL MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY. SO THAT WE MAY LEAD A TRANQUIL AND QUIET LIFE AND ALL DIGNITY AND GODLINESS. THAT IS WHY THIS MORNING I THANK YOU FOR THESE MEN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHO SERVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DESIRE TO MAKE IT BETTER, STRONGER AND MORE VIBRANT. I PRAY THEY HAVE WISDOM AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS ON THE ITEM OF TODAY'S MEETING AGENDA AND THOSE DECISIONS WILL REFLECT YOUR WELL.

FOR YOU SAID YOU WOULD DIRECT OUR STEPS IN LIGHT OUR PATHS. THE SCRIPTURE TELLS US YOUR WAYS ARE HIGHER THAN OUR WAYS AND YOUR THOUGHTS ARE HIGHER THAN OUR THOUGHTS.

WE ASK THAT IMPARTATION FOR YOUR DIVINE WISDOM AND GOVERNING THE AFFAIRS OF THIS COUNTY OF WHICH ARE PEOPLE RESIDE BE GIVEN TO THEM.AS YOUR SON WAS QUOTED, FOR I DO NOT SPEAK ON MY OWN INITIATIVE, BUT THE FATHER HIMSELF WHO SENT ME HAS GIVEN ME WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT TO SPEAK. HE UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU, LORD, GIVE WISDOM, AND FROM YOUR MOUTH COMES KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING. I PRAY THESE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE THE SAME DESIRE MAKING DECISIONS THAT INFLUENCE THE LIVES OF THEIR FELLOW RESIDENTS. AS THEY TRUST IN YOU, I BELIEVE THIS COUNTY WILL CONTINUE TO SEE POSITIVE GROWTH. FATHER, I ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED PROTECTION AND SAFETY FOR THEM, THEIR FAMILIES, AND STAFF AS WELL AS ALL OF THE PROVISION NECESSARY FOR THEM TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR ASSIGNMENTS. LORD, STRENGTHEN THEM IN THEIR CALL TO PUBLIC SERVICE BY EMPOWERING THEM BY YOUR SPIRIT. WE ASK ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AMEN.

>> IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. >> GOOD MORNING.

[Proclamations]

AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP MERCEDES HARROLD, THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD AND ANYBODY THAT'S HERE FROM THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOCIETY. WE ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE MARCH 2020 IS FLORIDA ARCHAEOLOGICAL MONTH. AT THIS TIME WE WILL ASK MS.

LUNDQUIST TO READ A PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS PEOPLE OF MANY CULTURES HAVE MADE FLORIDA THEIR HOME 4 AT LEAST 14,500 YEARS, AND WHEREAS ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES REPRESENT THE ONLY PHYSICAL RECORDS OF HUMAN HISTORY IN FLORIDA, PRIOR TO EUROPEAN CONTACT, THEREBY UNDERSCORING THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THOSE SITES.

AND WHEREAS THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES REPRESENTING FLORIDA'S NATIVE AMERICAN COLONIAL AFRICAN, COLONIAL EUROPEAN, AND HISTORIC AMERICAN PEOPLE CONSTITUTE THE UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE RESOURCE HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND WHERE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SUCH PROPERTY WITHIN THE COUNTY AND ENCOURAGES PROTECTION AND

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CASON ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE THIRD DAY OF MARCH, 2020. ATTEST BRANDON PATTY CLERK OF COURT.

BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, SUNDAY JEB S SMITH, CHAIR.

>> MERCEDES, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND A STAFF OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THE RESIDENCE, I PRESENT TO YOU THIS AWARD. PL[APPLAUSE]

>> GOOD MORNING. FROM THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL RECORD, WE KNOW THAT FLORIDIANS MOVED TO THIS AREA AROUND 14,500 YEARS AGO. AGAIN FROM THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL RECORD, WE KNOW THEY MOVED INTO NORTHEAST FLORIDA AROUND 7000 YEARS AGO.

BY THE TIME THE 1500S THE EUROPEANS ARRIVED, THEY RECOGNIZE THE STRATEGIC LOCATION OF THIS AREA FOR THE EUROPEAN EXPANSION INTO THE NEW WORLD.

DURING THE AMERICAN PERIOD, 1821, TO BE EXACT, GOVERNOR ANDREW JACKSON ESTABLISHED ESCAMBIA IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, MAKING THESE THE TWO OLDEST COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THEY ACTUALLY PREDATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA BY 24 YEARS.

FLORIDA ENTERED THE UNION ON MARCH 3, 1845, 175 YEARS AGO TODAY.

SO HERE WITH ME ARE JUST A FEW MEMBERS OF OUR ARCHAEOLOGICAL COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE ARCHAEOLOGISTS FROM OUR 200 MEMBER ST. AUGUSTINE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION AND ARCHAEOLOGISTS FROM THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHAEOLOGY NETWORK. I'VE BEEN BLESSED TO WORK WITH MANY OF THESE PEOPLE, AND I FIND MYSELF VERY FORTUNATE TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS YEAR, FLORIDA ARCHAEOLOGY MONTH, IS HIGHLIGHTING FLORIDA'S AFRICAN-AMERICAN CEMETERIES. AND AS PART OF FLORIDA ARCHAEOLOGY MONTH, WE ARE COLLABORATING WITH THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHAEOLOGY NETWORK TO HOST A CEMETERY RESOURCE PROTECTION TRAINING THIS FRIDAY, MARCH 6. THE TRAINING WILL HELP SHOW THE IMPORTANCE OF CEMETERIES AS HISTORICAL RESOURCES, THE LAWS THAT PROTECT THEM, HOW TO MANAGE CEMETERY LANDSCAPES, AND PROPER CONSERVATION FOR HEADSTONES AND MARKERS.

WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE. TAKE YOU TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR RECOGNIZING

FLORIDA ARCHAEOLOGY MONTH. [APPLAUSE] >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO

ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION. >> SOME OF >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL NOW GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[Public Comment]

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT.

LATER IN THE MEETING. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM. WE HAVE 2. STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES

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NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REMAIN FOR MANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATIONS OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

I WOULD ALSO ASK ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PROVIDE THAT TO THE CLERK OF COURT WHICH IS OVER TO YOUR LEFT AND TO MY RIGHT.

WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS AND AT THE SUMMIT WOULD ASK EVERYONE TO COME FORWARD I WILL COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE OTHER PODIUM.

YES, SIR.> TOM REYNOLDS >> IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST A SECOND.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD SOMETHING HE WANTED TO SAY. >> COMMISSIONERS, I REMEMBER TO NOT COME DOMINIC, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO REMOVE THAT. THE BOARD MAY WAIT UNTIL THE ITEM COMES UP TO DO THAT. ALTERNATIVELY, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER REMOVING FAT AND THE ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO REGULAR AGENDA WHICH WOULD BE COMING UP AND IF THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE, IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW OR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THA DECISION SO THAT'S THE TWO ALTERNAIVES FOR THE BOARD. WAIT UNTIL ITEM NUMBER TWO COMES UP ON THE AGENDA AND DO IT THEN OR CONSIDERED IT AN ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF THE WITHDRAWAL.

THANK YOU. >> WE WILL WAIT UNTIL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN VOTE ON WHETHER TO WITHDRAW OR NOT.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT, MR. REYNOLDS.> TOM REYNOLDS, 32080.

I COME HERE AT NONAGE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY TO INFORM YOU WE ARE ABOUT TO START AT THE BEACH THE SUMMER DRUNK FEST. THEY CALL IT A SUMMER CONCERT.

IT'S NOT A CONCERT. IT'S A BAND, A BUNCH OF PEOPLE BRINGING BOOZE DOWN TO THE PIER, DOWN TO THE VOLLEYBALL COURTS. IT HAS NO BUSINESS THERE.

CHILDREN ALL AROUND SEEING THIS DRUNK FEST GO ON. NOW, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU ARE PRO-ALCOHOL.

I'VE NEVER MET ANYTHING LIKE IT IN MY LIFE. THE CIRCUS AT THE AMPHITHEATER HAS A TRAILER SELLING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR.

I NOTIFY YOU, NOTHING GETS DONE. I THINK TO MYSELF, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM? WHY WOULD ALCOHOL AT A CIRCUS BE OKAY? WHY IS ALCOHOL AT THE PIER OKAY? BUT I THINK, WELL, THEY HAVE TO BE PRO-ALCOHOL FAMILY VALUES. POLITICIANS. BECAUSE IT GOT ELECTED OFFICIAL WOULD NOT JUST KEEP IGNORING IT. A GOOD ELECTED OFFICIAL WOULD SAY TO SOMEBODY, HEY, IS IT REALLY A TRAILER OUTSIDE OF A KIDS'S CIRCUS SELLING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES? THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING, NOT YOU.

AND THE SECOND THING I HAVE TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DISCRIMINATED IN THE HIRING PRACTICES AND WE GOT OUR UNQUALIFIED COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THAT JUST IS A SETBACK OF SEVEN YEARS TO TREAT WOMEN LIKE THAT. DID YOU NOTICE ALL THE WOMEN OUT HERE TODAY? MAYBE YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL THEM WHY YOU DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF THEM OR THEIR FELLOW WOMEN DESERVED TO HAVE AN INTERVIEW FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION. THAT WE HAD TO GET A WHITE KID WHO IS NOT EXPERIENCED, NOT QUALIFIED, TO BE LEADING A BILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET. NOT ONE WOMAN INTERVIEWED.

NO APPLICATIONS, NO PEOPLE OF COLOR INTERVIEWED. JUST ONE WHITE KID THAT COULDN'T EVEN DO HIS JOB OVER THERE CORRECTLY. SO NOW, LET'S JUST GO DOWN.

WE'VE GOT AN UNQUALIFIED COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND UNQUALIFIED CLERK OF COURTS, AND WE HAVE A CRIMINAL SHERIFF, AND LET'S SEE. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTY? AND WE HAVE THE ONLY COUNTY WITHOUT BODY CAMS OR DASHBOARD CAMS. BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DO, WE DON'T WANT THE TRUTH THAT WOULD BE KNOWN HERE. WE WANT TO GO BY WHAT OUR CRIMINAL NEIGHBOR CHOICES.

KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. >> THANK YOU, MR. REYNOLDS.

NEXT, PLEASE. >> HYDE, HOW ARE YOU. CHRISTOPHER, 260.

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AND WHAT WE WERE SEEING FLOATING IN OUR BACKYARD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY IT'S A PLEASURE TO WORK HERE IN THE COUNTY AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WORKING AT THE CONFERENCE CENTER THERE AT THE AIRPORT. WE HAVE BEEN SERVICING THE AIRPORT AS CIVIL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS FOR A DECADE. WE ALSO PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL AND CIVIL ENGINEERING SERVICES AND OTHER MUNICIPAL MATTERS AND PUBLIC AND COMMERCIAL.

WE PROVIDE RESILIENCY, MEDICATION, ADDITIONAL SEALEVEL RISE.

WE DO ECOLOGICAL ENGINEERING, CIVIL ENGINEERING, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY AND IT'S A PLEASURE WORKING HERE AND LIVE HERE AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. YES, SIR.

>> 133 LAGOON FOREST DOCTOR AND PONTE VEDRE BEACH. THERE IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SAWGRASS VILLAGE. MY DAUGHTER AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR TWO YEARS TO BUILD A KENNEL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE TOOK THE RIGHT STEPS, WE CAME DOWN TO THE COUNTY OFFICES HERE AND PROPOSED A PIECE OF PROPERTY ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT OF FIVE ACRES OF LAND AND 200 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENCE. AND WE CONTINUE TO LOOK.

WE PURCHASED PROPERTY, 3.7 ACRES, HERE AROUND MARCHETTI. OUR DESIRE WAS TO HAVE A KENNEL IN THE AREA THAT WE LIVED WHICH IS AROUND MARCH LANDING, SAWGRASS, TPC, PONTE VEDRE BLVD. AN AREA WHERE AS BERNIE WOULD SAY MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES ALL LIT. BUT NOW, THERE'S A KENNEL THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S BEING DONE BY SOMEBODY Ã ANOTHER RESIDENT, NOT THAT FAR AWAY, KATE WAGONER.

IT'S UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING CONNECTED WITH A VETERINARY CLINIC.

IT IS NOT. I THINK THAT ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU GUYS SAW WHEN YOU APPROVED A MAJOR MODIFICATION THAT YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS ALL AN ADD-ON AND AN EXTENSION TO THE VETERINARY CLINIC. IT IS NOT THAT.

IT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE. IN FACT, MOST RECENTLY, THE ADDRESS HAS EVEN BEEN CHANGED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN. IT'S NO LONGER THE ADDRESS OF THE VETERINARY CLINIC. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ADDRESS.

EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE WAS DONE BY KATE WAGONER, NOT BY GARY NEWMAN, THE VETERINARIAN.

IN FACT, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS, KATE EVEN WENT TO INFORM MR. NEWMAN, HEY, WE HAD TO CHANGE THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING. YOU COULD TELL HE WAS IN THE DARK. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT.

AND I THINK IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR THAT ONE RESIDENT GETS TO BUILD A DOG KENNEL ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY NEXT IN EFFECT LESS THAN ONE HALF OF ONE ACRE AND WE WERE DENIED 7/10 OF AN ACRE IN A SIMILAR LOCATION IN THE HIGHLY DESIRABLE AREA.

I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SEE ALL OF THE FACTS AND SEE THAT THIS IS REALLY NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VETERINARY CLINIC. SOMEHOW, THE NAME HAS CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. IT'S CHANGED FROM THE SAWGRASS ANIMAL CLINIC AND IN ADDITION TO THE SAWGRASS VETERINARY OFFICE AND NOW TO THE SAWGRASS PET RESORT.

COMPLETELY SEPARATE OWNER, COMPLETELY SEPARATE CORPORATION.

>> SIR, THANK YOU. MR. MCCORMICK, COULD YOU SPEAK WITH THIS GENTLEMAN AND MAKE SURE HE'S ROUNDED TO THE RIGHT DEPARTMENT? IF YOU COULD SEE TO MR. MCCORMICK HERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? COME FORWARD.

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>> GOOD MORNING. I COME HERE IN REGARDS TO THE OLD SKINNER OIL ÃMY NAME IS MR. POWERS I LIVE AT 226 MENOCAL AVENUE WHICH IS ON MASTERS DRIVE.

INTERESTING ÃTHERE USED TO BE THE SKINNER OIL COMPANY HAD A BP GAS STATION

>> PARTLY JUST ONE MOMENT. ARE YOU COMING HERE ABOUT THE CIRCLE K AT MASTERS DRIVE?

>> YES, SO THE NUMBER ONE THING ON THE LIST >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SEPARATE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ISSUE. THIS IS JUST GENERAL PUBLIC,

>> I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME. >> NO WORRIES, SIR.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME FORWARD. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA?

[Consent Agenda]

TIME. >> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW BECAUSE WE WILL ENTERTAIN ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NONE >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> NONE

>> ADMINISTRATION? >> NONE. >> LEGAL?

>> NONE, SIR. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ADDITION.

[Regular Agenda]

2? >> I THINK WE WILL GO TO NUMBER TWO AND LAID IT ON THE REGULAR

AGENDA. >> AND I HAVE NO CHANGES TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NONE >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> NONE >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> NONE

>> ADMINISTRATION? >> NONE. COUNTY ATTORNEY

>> QUINONE.

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MS. FRAZIER. >> ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A QUASI- JUDICIAL HEARING IF HE HAD ANY COMMUNICATIONS OR SITE VISITS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DISCLOSE THIS COMMUNICATIONS, THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF THOSE COMMUNICATIONS AND IF YOU ARE CALLED, WHO THOSE

COMMUNICATIONS WERE MADE WITH. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER DEAN?

QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ITEM WHICH I SAID I DID NOT. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> MR. BLOCKER: I DID HAVE A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MR. JAMES WHITEHOUSE.

THIS WAS ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 27. VERY BRIEFLY JUST ASKED ME IF I HAD ANY CONCERNS OFF THE PROJECT. I HAVE NO SPECIFIC CONCERNS I

HAD A BRIEF VERY CONVERSATION. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> MR. WALDRON: I ALSO HAD A VOICE CONVERSATION WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE ON THURSDAY THE 27TH.

I ALSO SPOKE WITH THEM YESTERDAY ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE MEETING TODAY.

AND I ALSO TALKED WITH DIANE LEHMAN THIS MORNING AND HER CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OF HOW SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO COME IN AND EXIT AND TRAFFIC AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE

LOCATION. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> MR. JOHNS: I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE LAST WEEK. I WAS DRIVING AND DID NOT TAKE NOTES, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY DID I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I TOLD HIM I DID NOT HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH ANYBODY WITH ANY QUESTIONS BRIEFINGS SEEMED ADEQUATE FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH DIANE LEHMAN AND HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACCESS OF THE PROPERTY BY FUELING TRUCKS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

THE PREVIOUS USE VERSUS THE NEW USE AND SIZE OF EACH AND THE INSURABILITY OF HOMES, IF ANY, AFFECTED BY THE LOCATION OF THE FUEL TANKS AND PROXIMITY TO THEIR HOMES.

>> MR. SMITH: I HAD A FEW EMAILS ON THE PUD'S AND SOME OF THEM OPPOSING IT.

I ALSO HAD A DISCUSSION THIS MORNING WITH MS. DIANE LEHMAN. WE DISCUSSED THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE FACILITY AND WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED AND WHAT WAS. MOVING SEMI TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THE STATION HOME VALUES AND ALSO TO SECURE LOANS THROUGH FHA AND I THINK THAT

>> I FORGOT TO MENTION I RECEIVED ALONG THE DESK THIS MORNING WHAT APPEARS TO BE A

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THIS ITEM. >> IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER DEAN, DOES THAT SAY NEAR THE TOP, TOP

PRIORITY, DENY WAIVER? WHAT DOES IT SAY? >> YES.

IT'S AT THE VERY TOP PUD 2019 Ã SIX CIRCLE K AT MASTERS DRIVE AND THE TOP PRIORITY AND THEN IT HAS A CHRONOLOGY OF THE CIRCLE K. AND IT'S THE CLOSEST WITH A LIST OF SIGNATURE AND

PETITIONER'S APPARENTLY. >> THANK YOU. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE RECEIVED A COPY OF THIS THIS MORNING AND WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED A COPY TO THE APPLICANT JUST SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY HAVING NOT SEEN IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> MR. JOHNS: I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION BY PHONE WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE THIS MORNING. TALKING ABOUT THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE MEETING AS WELL AS THIS PUD DOCUMENT THAT EVERYONE HAS RECEIVED.

>> I NOW BELIEVE THE SOURCE WAS AN EMAIL FROM MS. KIM DEL RANCE AT 10:41 AND THAT'S WHEN I

RECEIVED IT. >> DO WE HAVE EMAILS THAT ARE DEFINITELY IN THAT PACKET.

>> THIS IS THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1 FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD TO ACCOMMODATE DEVELOPMENT OF A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IN THE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SOUTH OF STAT ROAD 16 AND EAST OF MASTER DRIVE. AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL MAP IS PARTIALLY CLEARED FROM THE PREVIOUS OIL COMPANY THAT WAS ON SITE.

AND IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL SEAT FUTURE LAND USE.

ACROSS STATE ROAD 60 ST. AUGUSTINE IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTHEAST.

THE ZONING MAP DEPICTS A SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PARTIALLY ALLOTTED A COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING DISTRICT WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IN THE RS THREE.

THIS SURROUNDING AREA IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY WITH COMMERCIAL ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND STATE ROAD 16. THE FLOOD MAP IS ALSO INCLUDED SHOWING THAT THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE AE FLOOD ZONE. SO THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE 1.68 ACRES TO ALLOW THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION AS PROPOSING WITH 14 FUELING POSITIONS, THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE PROFESSIONAL USE CATEGORIES. CI PORTION IS APPROXIMATELY 165 ACRES AND WAS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED AS THE SKINNER BP GAS STATION THAT REMAINED VACATED DURING CONTAMINATION REMEDIATION SINCE 2011 AND A SINGLE TENURE PHASE IS PROPOSED AND COMMITMENT OF APPROVAL OF THE PROPER PROJECT. THIS IS A LOOK AT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION. IT SHOWS TWO ACCESS POINTS ONE ON MASTERS DRIVE AS WELL AS ONE ON STATE ROAD 16. IT DOES SHOW ABOUT A 5000 SQUARE-FOOT PROPOSED BUILDIN AND AN AREA OF STORMWATER TO THE WEST AS WELL AS AN AVERAGE UPLAND BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE MARSH. PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE PROVIDED IN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL AND WOULD ALLOW FOR MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET WHICH EXCEEDS WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THAT MAP DOESN'T SHOW THAT IT EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR A PERVIOUS SURFACE AND OPEN SPACE BASED ON THE CURRENT PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT.

WAIVERS FOR SETBACKS AND BUFFERS ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE FIRST WAIVER IS FOR SECTION 503 03 B2. DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES A 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR COMMERCIAL SITES. FOR BUILDINGS, PARKING AND STORAGE ADJACENT TO ROADWAYS AND RESIDENTIAL. THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS INCLUDES AN EIGHT FOOT SETBACK FOR UNDERGROUND STRUCTURES AND PARKING BUT WILL MAINTAIN A 20 FOOT VERTICAL IMPROVEMENT FROM STATEMENT 16. THE SECOND WAIVER IS FOR THE

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THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING 300 FOOT DISTANCE WITH THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE STORAGE TANKS. IT SHOWS THE PROPERTIES ON ESTRADA AVENUE WOULD BE AFFECTED AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. SO CONCURRENCY TRANSPORTATION, THIS PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CONCERN SEE FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE PRETTY DETAILED SITE ANALYSIS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS GENERATING OVER 300 OR MORE PMP TRIPS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO STATE ROAD 16 AND MASTERS DRIVE INTERSECTION MAY BE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC BASED ON STAFF RESEARCH AS MANY AS 12 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THE REGULATION MATCHES THE FHA SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING POLICY WHICH PROVIDES ÃPROVIDES THE STATIONARY STORAGE TANK.THE RULE STATES THE PROPERTY WITHIN 300 FEET OF A STORAGE TANK IS INELIGIBLE FOR INSURANCE AND THE APPRAISER MUST PROVIDE THAT NOTICE OF DEFICIENCY.

THIS IS A LOOK I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE 12 PROPERTIES. IT LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST 12 THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS REQUEST. SO STAFF HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS WHICH Ã GENERAL INFORMATION. AS WELL PASS ÃEMAILS IN OPPOSITION THEY STATED THE CONCERNS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE AREA, AS WELL AS THE SCALE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND LOSS OF PROPERTY VALUE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ALSO STATED CONCERNS FOR PRIVACY, NOISE AND SAFETY DUE TO THE POSSIBLE INCREASE OF ROBBERIES TRAFFIC AND HOURS OF INCREASED ACTIVITY. THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY VOTED 5 TO 2 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING MODIFICATION. WITH SOME CHANGES TO THE NDP HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY STAFF PROVIDES FINDINGS OF FACT AND 10 FINDINGS TO SUPPORT EMOTIONAL DENIAL. AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF CUSTOMER PRESENTATION.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

OMMISSIONER DEAN? >> MS. FRAZIER, WHEN YOU GAVE THE PRESENTATION, I THINK THAT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE FIRST TWO WAIVERS SAID STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT.

WHEN THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE WITHIN 300 FEET OR 90 FEET AS OPPOSED TO 300 FEET.

I NOTICED YOU DID NOT SAY THAT YOU ÃTHE STAFF EITHER RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR THAT YOU OBJECTED. CAN I TRY TO ASCERTAIN WHAT THIS DEPOSITION IS WITH RESPECT TO THIS ISSUE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK HAVING A 90 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR

HOMES? GENDER SIMILAR QUESTION? >> YES, SIR.

THE FIRST TWO WAIVERS FOR THE SETBACK IN BUFFER, TO THE ROAD 16 STAFF FOUND THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE SURROUNDING USE IN THE COMMERCIAL USE BUT STAFF TO FIND THAT THE THIRD WAIVER FOR THE DISTANCE RELIEF WOULD IMPACT THE SURROUNDING

RESIDENTIAL AND WOULD NOT BE >> MR. DEAN: THANK YOU. >> MR. SMITH: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CNN, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE ROM THE APPLICANT.

>> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP.

104 SECRET MAIN ST. IN ST. AUGUSTINE. WITH ME TODAY IS ALSO JAMES WHITEHOUSE, MY COMPACTOR IT HERE WITH ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP. ALSO CHRIS ROCK IS HERE WITH HIS TEAM FROM CIRCLE K. ALSO I'VE NOTICED IN THE AUDIENCE MR. AND MS. KUNZ ARE HERE AS

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I THINK STAFF COVERED IT PRETTY WELL WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF FACT WE ARE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND YOU HAVE A LONG AGENDA AND IF YOU TODAY SO I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS SHORT.

THE STAFF SUMMARIZED IT AND GAVE YOU A GREAT OVERVIEW. THE MAIN ISSUES ON THE WAIVERS, I THINK, IF YOU LOOK AT WHY THE TWO WAIVERS ARE NOT OPPOSED BY STAFF AND WHY THEY ARE SUPPORTED, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS AN ENHANCEMENT OVER WHAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE AREA. WE DROPPED OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO TRY TO FIT EVERYTHING. WE DON'T REALLY CONTEMPLATE THE FACT THAT THIS AREA OF 16 IS REALLY A COURT OR MUCH LIKE ANASTASIA BOULEVARD IS ON THE BEACH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE ALLIANCE. IT'S ITS OWN SPECIAL, UNIQUE IDENTITY THIS AREA OF STATEMENT 16 IS ITS OWN UNIQUE IDENTITY. YOU OFTEN DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF BUFFER BETWEEN OR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PARKING AREA AND STATEMENT 16 THROUGH THIS WHOLE AREA.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE WAIVER SUPPORTED. WE ARE ACTUALLY SETTING THE STRUCTURES BACK FARTHER THAN WHAT BID WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO THE OVERHEAD STRUCTURE IS SETBACK FURTHER. ON THE ISSUE OF THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS AND THAT WAIVER, THAT'S SOMETHING NEW TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT CAME IN LAST YEAR.

THIS IS THE OIL SIDE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND DECADES AND DECADES.

AND UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THAT EXPLOSION WASN'T ABLE TO BE REBUILT VERY QUICKLY.T'S TAKEN THIS TIME TO GET TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE AND OBVIOUSLY, MR. CLINTON AND HIS FAMILY HAVE SUFFERED DURING THAT TIME TO GET THROUGH THESE ISSUES TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY. AND SO NOW YOU ARE IN A POSITION WHERE CIRCLE K IS HERE. AND I THINK IT REALLY GOES ONE STEP BEYOND, JUST THE INITIAL APPLICATION WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING TO THIS AREA AND THE CONVENIENCE THEY ARE BRINGING REALLY IS WORTH CONSIDERATION. IT REALLY IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO KICK OFF REDEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. IT REALLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BACK THE CONVENIENCES THAT WERE THERE. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS QUITE A LOT AS FAR AS IMAGINE IF YOU LIVE THERE THE CONVENIENCE TO GET UP YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS RAILROAD TRACKS TO GO GET A CARTON OF MILK OR EGGS OR OTHER CONVENIENCES. SO ANYWAY, I KNOW THERE'S PUBLIC, SO I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS SHORT TO THAT. I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I ASSUME YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME AFTERWARDS. AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE

ANYTHING NOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? CNN WE WILL NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> MR. BLOCKER: AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT AS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC COMMENT AS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE HAD TWO PODIUMS. PLEASE COME FORWARD. IF YOU HAVE ANY OVERHEAD MATTERS THAT YOU WANT TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD, PLEASE USE THE PROJECTION HERE AND THEY GIVE IT TO THE CLERK OF

THE COURT. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BIOPOWER I LIVE AT 226 MINUTELLO AVENUE WHEN THE BP BLEW UP I THOUGHT MY HOUSE WAS GOING TO MELT.

IT WAS THAT HOT. I REMEMBER THE BOOM. I AM A VETERAN.

U.S.NAVY. MY SPECIALTY IS JET FUEL ON THE FLIGHT DECK. KNEW IMMEDIATELY THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG. FIRE TRUCKS WERE COMING.

I STARTED DIVERTING TRAFFIC OF MY STREET. THERE'S NO FIRE HYDRANT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD HOOK UP TO WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN KIND OF NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T PUT WATER ON FUEL. SO I RAN AROUND AND NOT ON ALL MY NEIGHBOR'S DOORS AND TOLD HIM TO GET OUT. PEOPLE DOWN THE MASTERS. THIS IS AMAZING TO ME BECAUSE I AM HERE LOSING MONEY BECAUSE I'M NOT AT WORK, THERE'S A LOT OF FANCY SUITS HERE MAKING MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE AT WORK. SKINNER OIL COMPANY CLOSED AT 6:00.

THE METHODS, THE CRACKHEADS AND THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOES WITH IT WHICH MR. DRYSDALE FROM THE ALLIGATOR FUN ÃTHERE'S A PICTURE THERE. YOU SEE THAT LITTLE ÃYOU COME DOWN MASTERS I AM DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT FIRST PARKING SPOT I MEAN ÃHOLD ON ONE SECOND.

>> PEOPLE COMING UP MASTERS HERE AND THERE IS A SCHOOL BUS HERE YOU CAN'T MAKE A RIGHT ON MASTERS AS A SCHOOL BUS IS TURNING LEFT AT THE INTERSECTION OF MASTERS AND 16 RIGHT THERE. IF A SCHOOL BUS IS GOING TO MAKE A RIGHT, YOU STILL CAN'T

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THAT CREEK RIGHT THERE, THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA HAS IT. THAT'S FRESH, CLEAN WATER COMING UP BACK HERE. THIS CREATES ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS WE ENJOYED CATCHING FISH, ETC. THE IDEA THAT SKINNERS WAS THERE BEFORE IS MAGNIFICENT.

THEY WERE HELPFUL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY REALLY WERE.

NOW, THE GUY SAYS IMAGINE NOT HAVING TO CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

TO GET MILK. OBVIOUSLY HE DOESN'T LIVE HERE BECAUSE YOU COULD GET THE MILK RIGHT THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS ANY RAILROAD TRACKS.

THERE ARE GAS STATIONS WELL WITHIN A MILE FROM HERE YOU MAY NOT NEED A GAS STATION.

NOW THE HOMELESS ARE CAMPING). RIGHT IN THERE IS NOBODY HOMELESS CAMP IS.

IT USED TO BE THERE. WHY DOES THIS RELATE TO THE HOMELESS? BECAUSE THEY ÃYOU HAVE A NICKEL OR A DIME? ALL OF THIS STUFF IS HAPPENING RIGHT THERE. IT'S A SHAME. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I DON'T KNOW. IT'S REALLY A SHAME THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, AND I WISH BP WAS STILL THERE BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE? MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEEN ANYONE

COME FORWARD WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT >> WITH PUBLIC, NOW CLOSE WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> MR. DEAN: I HAVE DRIVEN BY THIS SITE OFTEN AND AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, AND IT CRIES OUT FOR A REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, IT'S RAGGED.

IT CRIES OUT FOR NEW BUSINESS. SO ÃAND I ON ONE HAND WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT A COMPANY WITH THE QUALITY OF CIRCLE K PROPOSED A CIRCLE K CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS PUMPING FACILITY.

SO I AM AT THIS POINT THIS MORNING VERY TORN BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROJECT, BUT I CANNOT GET OVER THE HURDLE OF THE 300 FOOT REQUIREMENT UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND I ASKED THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE APPLICANT IF THERE'S ANY WAY Ã I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ÃTHE COMPANY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PUTTING JUST A CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE SITE WORK AND COME UP WITH A WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS. I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE AND NOT IN A POSITION TO VOTE YES ON A WAIVER OF THE 300 FOOT DISTANCE AND SO I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT, IF

POSSIBLE. BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION. >> I KNOW YOU CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT BUT MR. PACETTI WASN'T SURE WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO Ã WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TALK AND SO THAT'S WHY HE WAS COMING UP HE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

HE SPOKE DURING PCA, IT'S IN YOUR RECORD. HE REPRESENTS THE OWNERSHIP

INTERESTS. >> I AM HAPPY TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE OWNER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AND I THINK I WAS COMING FROM

>> WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY ADDRESS IS 3516 CAROL WOOD LN. SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

WE WORKED ON THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I AM CONCERNED AS WELL ABOUT THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 55 YEARS AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS HARM ANYBODY. BUT AT THE ZONING BOARD, I THINK ONE OF THE GUYS THAT MADE THE MOTION SAID THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT THAT THE PROPERTY ÃTHAT IT GOT BURNED DOWN.

AS FAR AS ADDRESSING THE ISSUES ABOUT THE FHA, FHA IS NOT THE ONLY SOURCE OF FINANCING FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. WE DO IT EVERY DAY. AND SOME OF THEM WE CAN'T GET FHA, WE LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE FINANCING SOURCES AND WE ALWAYS MANAGED TO FIND SOMETHING.

SO WE ARE DOING A LOT OF IT AND DOING A LOT OF FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS.

SOME OF THE PROPERTIES LIKE IF YOU MOVE A MOBILE HOME YOU CAN'T GET FHA.

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AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'VE BEEN HERE ALL OF MY LIFE AND BEEN IN BUSINESS. I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THERE MAY BE SOME OBJECTIONS TO IT BEING DISK SIZE OR THAT SIZE.

I BELIEVE ULTIMATELY THE COMMUNITY WILL ENJOY IT AND LIKE IT.

AND I BELIEVE I HEARD HIM SAY THAT THE STATION THEY HAVE DOWN THE STREET THAT REALLY IS A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE IT AND JUST HAVE THIS ONE YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK THEM FOR SURE IF THAT'S A FACT. ANYWAY, I AM OBVIOUSLY IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU WILL CONSIDER WHAT WAS THERE. WE ARE LIVING IN MORE MODERN TIMES AND HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT A MODERN FACILITY THERE TO SERVE THAT COMMUNITY WHICH REALLY NEEDS IT. I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, YOU HAD SPOKEN EARLIER ABOUT SOME REAL ESTATE AND FINANCING TYPE ISSUES. WERE YOU SPEAKING AS A LAYMAN OR AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL? IF YOU COULD BRIEFLY DESCRIBE YOUR CREDENTIALS

>> WELL, I CALL MYSELF A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL. I'M A SENIOR WE'VE DONE THIS OVER AND OVER. NOT GAS STATIONS BUT WE HAVE CONSTANTLY ÃMY OFFICE IS OUT AT 207 AND 95. I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 20 YEARS. WE ARE WATCHING AN INCREDIBLE GROWTH AND THERE'S NEW THINGS HAPPENING. THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE Ã

>> JUST YOUR CREDENTIALS, IF YOU WOULD >> I AM REAL ESTATE BROKER IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA FOR 55 YEARS. IN PRACTICE EVERY DAY STILL.

THANK GOD FOR GOOD HEALTH AND BEING ABLE TO DO IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT IT?

I'M NOT A DESIGNER.> THANK YOU, MR. PACETTI. >> THANK YOU.

NOW THAT WE HAVE OPENED IT UP OR PUBLIC, IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NONE OF THE CLOTHES PUBLIC COMMENT.

THERE WAS A QUESTION POSED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN TO THE APPLICANT COSMIC COUNSEL.

IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RESPOND TO THAT. >> FOR THE RECORD, JAMES WHITEHOUSE. YOU KNOW, IN ADDRESSING COMMISSIONER DEAN'S QUESTION AND THIS IS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP AT THE PCA AS WELL AND A NUMBER OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS AS YOU SAID AT YOUR EXPERT DAY WE SPOKE ABOUT IT BRIEFLY. PART OF THIS IS THE FACT IT WAS PUT INTO CODE. RECENTLY. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHEN IT WAS PUT IN WAS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NORTHWEST AND THE NOVELTY AREA THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL SITES THAT SORT OF BACKED UP TO A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT, NEW AREAS. DOESN'T SAY THAT HE OR SHE WILL RECEIVE BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY CERTAIN REGULATIONS, WHETHER STATUTORY OR OTHERWISE NOT IN OUR INCOMES OR STATUTES LEGISLATIVE ANTAC I WOULD ASSERT YOU IS THE FACT WE WANT TO PROTECT ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM BEING IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THESE THINGS, NOT NECESSARILY CORRIDORS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 5400 OR MORE YEARS.

A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE COMMERCIAL OF THIS CORRIDOR. PARTICULARLY UP ACROSS THE STREET AND UP THE ROAD AS WELL. THERE IS ANOTHER FACILITY THIS BUSINESS OWNS IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS THAT WILL BE CLOSING IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD WE ARE PARTICULARLY COGNIZANT OF ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND ALL RESIDENCES.

THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND MANNER IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED WE HAVE PLACED THE TANKS ACCORDINGLY AND MOVE THEM AWAY FROM WHERE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ARE.

IT'S JUST THIS WAS A GAS STATION, AS YOU HAVE HEARD FOR MANY YEARS.

WE ARE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF STORAGE IN THIS AREA ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

THE FORMER SITE HAD ABOVE GROUND AND BELOW GROUND TANKS. THESE WILL BE BELOW GROUND AND ALL NEW TECHNOLOGY, AS YOU'VE HEARD COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AS WELL, I THINK AS WELL AS THE

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IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THE AFFIRMATIVE CONCERNS WE HAD TO WORK ON FOR A LONG TIME TO GET THIS REESTABLISHED, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS GRANDFATERED IN.

I'M JUST TRYING TO TELL YOU YOU HEARD COMMISSIONER DEAN THIS IS AN AREA OF 16 THAT IS ÃWE ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND I THINK MR. BURNETT WANTED TO TELL YOU SOME

OTHER THINGS. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING US TO SPEAK.

IF I COULD ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS WHICH IS YOU DO HAVE ALL OF THE ÃCIRCLE K IS A 2800 SQUARE-FOOT STORE THE OLD SILENT STYLE STORE. IT WAS A 2800 SQUARE-FOOT IN THE MODERN VERSION IS A SQUARE-FOOT STORE. THE CONVENIENCE GOODS THAT ARE IN THE SMALLER STORE WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE STORE. THE STORE THAT THEY HAVE WEST OF HERE WILL BE CLOSED AND THAT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AND WAS TYPICAL IN THE INDUSTRY, THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOUGHT A PARCEL FROM A COMPETITOR OF CIRCLE K AND AS PART OF THAT DEAL A COMPETITOR PUT IN A DEED RESTRICTION SAYING A GAS STATION CAN'T GO THERE IN PERPETUITY. THUS, IN THIS INDUSTRY. SO IF THIS ALL PROCEEDS AND WAS ABLE ÃTHE STORE TO THE WEST AS YOU CAN BET THERE WILL BE A DEED RESTRICTION THAT CIRCLE K WILL PUT IN PLACE IN A GAS STATION COULD GO THERE. THE MODERN TREND IS TO PUT GAS PSTATIONS IN THIS FORMAT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY ONE WOULD GO THERE ANYWAY.

BUT YOU DO GET SOME BENEFIT IN THIS AREA TO REDUCE SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL IMPACTS FROM GAS STATIONS AND THE THING THAT WE GO FURTHER AND OBVIOUSLY MR. KUNZ IS HERE AND YOU CAN ASK HIM HOW LONG THAT GAS STATION HAS BEEN THERE. IT'S DINNER FOR DECADES.R.

PACETTI TESTIFIED DURING PZA THAT AS A KID HE WENT TO THIS GAS STATION SO HE REMEMBERS IT WILL WHEN IT WAS A TRUCK STOP WAS ACTUALLY WHAT IT WAS REFERRED TO IN THOSE DAYS.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS AREA AND COMMUNITY EXPECTED AT SOME POINT IN TIME THE GAS STATION WOULD COME BACK THERE. YES, THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION BUT THAT'S WHAT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN HERE AND A GAS STATION WILL COME BACK.

UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YEARS LATER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S TAKEN TO GET TO THE STAGE FOR THE AFFIRMATIVE CLEANUP TO HAVE OCCURRED TO ITS SATISFACTION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OVERSEEN BY THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. THEIR LOCAL OFFICE.

AND SO THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY YOUR STAFF AND WE ARE AT A POSITION NOW WHERE THIS CAN GO FORWARD AS A GAS STATION. WE HAVE PUT AS MANY CONTROLS AND NURSE BEGAN BY MOVING THE TANKS FORWARD TO STATE ROAD 16, PUTTING A SIX FOOT TALL CONCRETE BLOCK WALL NEXT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST. IT JUST REALLY FITS OUT.

IT REALLY FITS WELL. AND THERE'S NO COMPROMISES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE SITE TO DRIVE MILES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE STANDARD CIRCLE K MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF A 35 FOOT DRIVE-BY BETWEEN THE CANOPY AND THE BUILDING HAS BEEN MAINTAINED ON THE SITE.

THERE'S NO COMPROMISE FROM THERE. WE COULD HAVE DROPPED SOME OF THE WAIVERS ÃPUT A COMPROMISE THEIR INTERNAL MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR COMPANY FOR WHAT IS GOOD SAFETY FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC AND TRUCKS DRIVING AROUND THE SITE.

SO WE ARE REALLY AT A SITE THAT WORKS WELL DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT THIS WAIVER FOR THE TANK AND RESUBMIT TO RESPECTFULLY THIS IS ONE WHERE PEOPLE ANTICIPATED YOU WOULD

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YOU MIGHT HAVE IN THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> MR. BLOCKER: JUST BRIEFLY, YOU HEARD THE RESIDENT TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

THE ADDRESS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY? >> SURE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A SITUATION THAT IS AGAINST THE MOST AWFUL TYPE OF SITUATION THAT COULD OCCUR AT A GAS STATION, AN EXPLOSION WHERE SOMEONE GETS SERIOUSLY INJURED.

GRANTED, IT WASN'T A CUSTOMER OR PATRON THAT GOT INJURED, BUT NONETHELESS, A HUMAN BEING THAT WAS INJURED. IT HAPPENED TO BE THE PERSON WHO WAS THERE FUELING THE STATION, SERIOUSLY INJURED. SO THE WORST OF THE WORST CAME TO HEAR SHORT OF A DEATH.

AND NOW WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE EVEN REGARDLESS OF THAT EXPLOSION, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE EXPLOSION, IT DID NOT CAUSE DAMAGE TO OTHER PROPERTIES. IT DAMAGED ITSELF AND THE DAMAGED TRAFFIC FOR THE DAY, AND IT CERTAINLY WAS A BIG INCONVENIENCE FOR ALL OF US DRIVING AROUND THAT AREA FOR THE DAYS THAT FOLLOWED. BUT SEVEN YEARS OF ENVIRONMENTAL WORK TO THIS STAGE WITH WELLS THAT HAVE ONGOING MONITORING, FOR EXAMPLE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

THIS EXPANSION SITE ALLOWS TO MOVE THE TANKS UP TO STATE ROAD 16 TO KEEP THEM AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE AND WILL ALLOW IT TO HAVE ALL OF THE MODERN CATCH BASINS RELATED TO FUEL OVERFLOW WHEN IT'S RAINING, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE CATCH BASINS THAT GRAB PETROLEUM PRODUCTS AND TAKE THEM THROUGH FILTRATION SYSTEMS AND SO YOU HAVE ALL OF THOSE OTHER SAFEGUARDS AS WELL FOR THE UNDERGROUND TANKS. IT REALLY IS THE MODERN VERSION OF THIS KIND OF GAS STATION THAT YOU SEE ALL AROUND OUR COUNTY THAT'S BEING BUILT. THE CIRCLE K HAS AN INCREDIBLE INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF STATIONS AND A NUMBER OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY BUILT OR UNDER REDEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THE STATION THAT'S BEEN RECENTLY OPENED. I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN ANSWER THAT.

>> MR. BLOCKER: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> MR. SMITH: COMMISSIONER

DEAN? >> MR. DEAN: LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER. I COME TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WITH A PRESUMPTION OF WANTING TO SEE THIS PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY DEVELOPED AND OPERATIONAL.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND ÃI MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER WALTER, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT I THINK IS AN EXCELLENT COMPANY, CIRCLE K, THEY ARE. THAT'S MY PRESUMPTION.

BUT I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STORAGE TANKS. NUMBER ONE ÃAND MAYBE MR. KUNZ CAN ADDRESS THIS. I WANT TO KNOW WHEN WERE THE TANKS INSTALLED, THE OLD TANKS.

WHEN WAS THE STATION OPEN? CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? >> JD KUNZ.

THE ORIGINAL TANKS WERE PUT IN YEARS AGO. THEY WERE UNDERGROUND SINGLE WALL TANKS, AND OVER THE YEARS, THEY BEGAN TO LEAK, AND THEY HAD TO BE PULLED UP.

SO THEY INSTALLED THE ABOVE GROUND TANKS. THERE WERE SIX 12,000 GALLON TANKS. OUT OF THOSE THERE WAS ONE 20,000 GALLON TANK.

THEY WERE INSTALLED ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO. THEY HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF 50 TO 60 YEARS ABOVE GROUND TANKS. SO THEY WERE SINGLE WALL.

THEY KNEW TANKS ARE DOUBLE-WALLED, SENSORS AND THE DOUBLE WALL PIPES AND THE LINES GOING TO THE PUMPS, THERE'S SENSORS AND IT AND SENSORS UNDER THE PUMPS.

IF THERE'S ANY LEAKS AND ALL THE SENSORS WILL GO OFF AND THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS SHUT DOWN.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> I APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION.

BASED ON THAT, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UNDERGROUND TANKS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED 40, 50, 60 YEARS AGO VERSUS NEW TANKS TODAY WITH A DOUBLE MINING AND ALL OF THE SENSORS.

AND SO ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE QUESTIONS I THINK THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED IN MY OPINION. SO SUBJECT TO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD, I AM PREPARED TO

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MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> MR. WALDRON: THE QUESTION HAS COME UP ABOUT TRAFFIC, SEMI'S COMING IN AND OUT AND YOU HAVE DELIVERY TRUCKS. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN DESIGN IT OR THEY DON'T COME IN ÃTHEY TURN OFF OF 16 RATHER THAN MASTERS DRIVE? BECAUSE IF YOU STACK ONE SEMI-TRYING TO TURN YOU WILL STACK TRAFFIC BACK UP DOWN 16.

>> AND ONE THING I DID CONFIRM ÃI DID CONFIRM WITH CHRIS ROCK.

HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF CIRCLE K. YOU WOULD THINK WHAT WOULD BE TRUE IS TRUE AND THAT IS CIRCLE K DOES NOT HAVE ITS TANKS DELIVERING FUEL DURING AM AND PM PEAK HOURS.

THAT WOULD BE THE WORST THING FROM THEM FROM THEIR OWN FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.

THEY DON'T WANT THE TANK DELIVERING FUEL DURING THE TIME WHEN THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE THERE BECAUSE IT IMPEDES ÃFRANKLY, IT IMPEDES CAPITALISM AND IMPEDES THE FOLKS PUMPING GAS AND GETTING IN AND OUT AND PAYING AT THE REGISTER AND THE LIKE, FEWER CUSTOMERS CAN BE SERVED WHEN THAT TINKER IS ON THE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE THEM COME IN AFTER HOURS AT THE SLOW TIMES. YOU OBVIOUSLY SEE TANKERS THERE AT OTHER TIMES DURING A HURRICANE OR OTHER STATES OF EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING ELSE CAME UP THAT REQUIRED.

FOR THE MOST PART THEY AVOID THOSE KEY TIMES. SO THEIR TRAVEL TIME IS NOT WHEN A LOT OF VEHICLES ARE ON THE ROAD. THAT'S AT LEAST THE TYPICAL INTENT OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THEIR DAILY PRACTICE OF BUSINESS.

SO I AM NOT SURE WHETHER WE CAN GAIN ACCESS OFF OF STATE ROAD 16.

OBVIOUSLY, DEPARTING STATEMENT 16 IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT AS FAR AS HAVING ACTUAL F DOT PERMIT IN HAND AT THIS MOMENT, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING THAT MAKES SENSE IF YOU COULD DO A LEFT INTO THIS SITE OFF OF STATE ROAD 16. SO AND OBVIOUSLY THE TANKER COULD DO A LEFT TURN INTO THIS SITE OFF OF STATE ROAD 16 BECAUSE THE ACTUAL LIGHT AT MASTERS AND 16 SERVES AS A

TRAFFIC BREAK. >> AND THERE'S REALLY NO Ã THERE'S NO EXTERNAL SEMI ÃIF

YOU HAVE A BIGGER Ã >> I THINK WE ARE JUST GOING WITH THE SITE PLAN.

I THINK YOU CAN PULL THE SITE PLAN UP ON THE OVERHEAD. IT'S ÃI THINK IT'S IN THE PACKET. THERE WE GO. IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON THE

WEBSITE. >> SO EVERY PUMP WILL HAVE DIESEL, BUT THERE'S NO SEPARATE

DIESEL FILLING STATION? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR. >> SO OTHER THAN DELIVERIES,

THERE SHOULD NOT BE SEMI'S? >> VERY TRUE. THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

206, I ALMOST THINK AS A MINI TRUCK STOP THE WAY IT HAS THAT SEPARATE DIESEL CANOPY IN THE BACKBOARD DIESEL FEELING. THIS IS NOT THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY FOR THIS SITE.THIS IS THE TYPICAL CUSTOMER SMALL VEHICLE SERVICE STATION, NOT ONE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE TYPICAL DIESEL TRAFFIC. AND IT MAKES SENSE AT THE 207 LOCATION WHEN YOU LOOK AT

WHAT'S AROUND IN THAT AREA. >> AND YOU HAVE ÃWE STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE TRAFFIC AND DOT

PERMITS THE TURN LANES WILL HAVE TO BE MADE >> AND FACTOR IN THE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW PROCESS TO GET THE PLANS APPROVED, THE FINAL PLANS APPROVED. OBVIOUSLY, STAFF LOOKS AT TRAFFIC AND ANY OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF IT. THEY ARE RELATED TO THE SITE

FOR ACCESS. >> AND I KNOW THERE IS A BIG CONCERN HERE IF WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESS IN THE AREA. BECAUSE YOU HAVE FACILITIES IN THE AREA AND YOU HAVE OTHER Ã CIRCLE K COULD MAKE SURE THEY TRY TO KEEP THAT ALLEVIATED, THE PANHANDLING ON THE

PROPERTY. THEY CAN CONTROL THE PROPERTY. >> YES, SIR.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THEY REGULARLY DO COULD I WILL GO ONE STEP FURTHER AND THIS IS TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE SPEAKER RELATED TO THIS EXITING MASTERS

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IF YOU LOOK ON THE DRAWING THAT'S UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE ON MASTERS TRY THE APPROACH TO STATEMENT 16. YOU WILL HAVE A REAL LEFT AND A REAL RIGHT.

AND SO THAT SITUATION DOESN'T EXIST BUT THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS PROCESS

>> I ALSO WANT TO KNOW ÃLET RESIDENTS KNOW I DID ASK STAFF TO REDUCE THE SPEED ON 16 BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME AROUND THAT CURVE 45 MEETS 55 AND IT'S HARD TO GET STOPPED COMING TO THAT INTERSECTION ON 16 FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST. AND THAT'S NOT THE APPLICANT'S PROBLEM. BUT IT'S A PROBLEM IN THE AREA. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> THANK YOU, MR. JARED.

I'VE HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS YOU ANSWERED AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRACTOR-TRAILERS. I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE SUPPLYING THE FUEL TO THE STATIONS. ARE THERE PUMPS FOR TRACTOR-TRAILERS TO REFUEL AT

THIS LOCATION?OR IS IT PROPOSED? >> NO, SIR.

THERE'S NOT THAT SEPARATE FUELING STATION LIKE WE HAVE Ã LIKE CIRCLE K HAS.

LOCATED BEHIND THE MAIN CONVENIENCE STORE THERE. THIS IS STANDARDIZED FOR THAT USE. THERE'S BEEN ONE MAIN CANOPY WHICH IS THE TRADITIONAL MAIN CANOPY FOR NORMAL SIZED VEHICLES. YOU WILL GET THE LAWN SERVICE COME THROUGH FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH THE TRAILER BEHIND THEM BUT YOU WON'T GET THE TRACTOR-TRAILER USER COMING INTO REFUEL. AND IT DOES SERVE DIESEL

VEHICLES ON THE ROAD. >> THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES AND ACCESS ON MASTERS DRIVE. WE ARE ALL LISTED. I REQUEST TO SPEAK BUT TURN ON AND OFF EACH TIME I PLAN TO ASK SOMEBODY HAS ASKED THE QUESTION.

NOT THAT WE TALK BEFOREHAND BUT WE HAVE PROBABLY HEARD THIS CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND

I APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU.NY OTHER

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING ON, Ã >> AGAIN, JUST A QUICK SUMMARY, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST FOR A WAIVER OF THE 300 FEET BRINGS WITH IT SOME UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES AND INTERVENING FACTORS WHEN WE HAD AN OLD STATION WITH OLD TANKS ORIGINALLY SEEING THE LINE IN THE INTERVENING TIME.

WE DID ADOPT A 300 FOOT MINIMUM DISTANCE, BUT THIS SITE CRIES OUT FOR COMMERCIAL GAS STATION GAS FACILITY IN MY OPINION. AND WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, WITH DOUBLE LINES AND SENSORS AND TANKS UNCOMFORTABLE BUT GIVEN THE FACT THIS PROJECT WAS FOUR YEARS WILL NOW BE BETTER.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 Ã2026 CIRCLE K AT MASTERS DRIVE BASED

ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT >> OF A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. YOU HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. YOU HAVE A SECOND. I WILL SECONDED.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TO BE HAD? MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.

DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I KNOW YOU CAME UP ON THE SCREEN.

>> AT THIS TIME, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF I RECUSE MYSELF ON THIS MATTER BECAUSE I DO OWN PARTS OF THE PROPERTY THAT ARE WITHIN THE CIRCLE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD.

JUST SO THERE'S NOT ANY ÃI DO FEEL I WILL MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT I DO THINK IT'S A GREAT THING. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT FOR

SAFETY REASONS I THINK I WILL REFUSE >> AND THE RECUSAL, THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING UNDER SECTION 286.012. A MEMBER MAY RECUSE HIMSELF TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT OR TO PREVENT ANY PRESUMPTION OF ANY PREJUDICIAL EVENT. SO WHILE THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A DIRECT FINDING OF A VOTING CONFLICT, IF THERE'S ENOUGH THERE TO QUESTION THE OWNER OF ANY OF THE MEMBERS IN THIS TYPE OF PROCEEDING A MEMBER OF THE BOARD MAY RECUSE FOR THIS TYPE OF HEARING.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY MYSELF IN A RECUSAL BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> MR. CHAIR, I DID WANT TO COMMENT VERY BRIEFLY. THE BOARD MEMBERS 4/5 OR POTENTIALLY ALL FIVE HAVE RECEIVED THAT DOCUMENT THIS MORNING THAT HAD A NUMBER OF ITEMS TO IT. SHOULD THIS APPLICATION BE APPROVED?

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THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE BELIEVE THE BOARD IS ÃBASED ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE APPLICATION AND TESTIMONY TODAY IS IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS ALTERNATIVELY TO DENY THIS MATTER. WE BELIEVE THERE'S COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SCALE FOR THE BOARD.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 4 TO 0.

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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24. IN OTHERS A REQUEST TO HAVE THIS WITHDRAWN.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? >> WE HAVE RECEIVED YESTERDAY A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE MR. JAMES WHITEHOUSE AS WELL AS A FOLLOW-UP EMAIL OFFICIALLY REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE ÃOF THE APPEAL. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN NOTICED ANY WITHDRAWAL REQUIRES AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

IF YOU DO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL, THE APPEAL IS ESSENTIALLY DEAD AND THE UNDERLYING DENIAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PREVAILS. SO THE REQUEST TO HAVE ALCOHOL SALES AND CONSUMPTION IS DEEMED DENIED, AND THEY CAN APPEAL THAT DECISION.

THE TIME HAS RUN OUT AND THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE TIME LIMITATIONS.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON REGARD TO A WITHDRAWAL OF NUMBER TWO.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO ASKING FOR A WITHDRAWAL. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO AS TO THE WITHDRAWAL. PLEASE COME FORWARD. PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T SEE WHEN COMING FORWARD SO WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> MR. SMITH: WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION TO WITHDRAWAL. IS THERE ONE TO BE MADE?

>> MR. DEAN: YES. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO PHRASE THIS, BUT I WOULD MOVE TO ACCEPT THE PETITIOER'S OFFER TO WITHDRAWAL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

>> SECOND. >> MR. SMITH: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

THAT WITHDRAWAL IS ACCEPTED. WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.

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LET ME CHANGE BOOKS. I FEEL LIKE I'M BACK IN SCHOOL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON ÃFOUR GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. DAMON DOUGLAS WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

WE ARE COMING BACK TO YOU TODAY FOLLOWING THE WORK THAT WE SET OUT TO DO.

YOU APPROVED A PROJECT PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT ALMOST A YEAR AGO, AND SO COUNTY STAFF AND THE ARMY CORPS STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY AND SO TODAY WE ARE COMING BACK WITH MINISTERIAL ITEMS AND THERE'S EASEMENTS TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE BOARD AND AN AGREEMENT FOR SOME SAND IN TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION AREAS AND SOME FUNDING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A REALLY QUICK BACKGROUND. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LONG AGENDA.

I WANT TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EASEMENTS. JESSE DUNN WILL BE HERE TO TALK PABOUT THE FUNDING AND THEN WE WILL GUIDE YOU THROUGH ACTION ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

SO JUST ÃTHERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME IN THE RECENT PAST.

JUST TO RUN US THROUGH REALLY QUICK, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT OFFICIALLY BEGAN IN 2004 WHEN THE COUNTY BEGAN SHARING WITH THE ARMY CORPS FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS NOT COMPLETED UNTIL AFTER THE MATTHEW AND IRMA STORMS. SO THE ARMY CORPS COMPLETED THE FEASIBILITY IN 2017, THEIR LEADERSHIP SENT IT FORWARD, AND CONGRESS APPROVED IT AND APPROPRIATED FUNDING IN 2018. SHORTLY AFTER, THIS WORD FUNDED BUDGETING FOR US TO INCREASE THE PARKING IN THE AREA INCREASE THE COST SHARE AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY IT'S IN PLACE AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE CROSSWALKS WITH DOT AT THIS

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THERE WAS MUNICIPAL SERVICE TAXING UNIT ESTABLISHED IN THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX PLAN WAS AMENDED. THE STAFF WENT OUT AND APPROACHED THE COMMUNITY, LET THEM KNOW THE STATUS, AND THE NEXT STEPS. THE EASEMENT ACQUISITION BEGAN.

GAIL OLIVER IS HERE WITH LAND MANAGEMENT. THEY'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. THERE WAS AN EROSION CONTROL LINE WORKSHOP AND HEARING WHERE THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY WAS FORMALLY SET BY THE DEP.

THAT ECL WAS RECORDED IN DECEMBER. THE PARKING WAS CONSTRUCTED AND THE MSTU WAS COMMITTED BY THIS BOARD, AND NOW THE ARMY CORPS IS CONFIRMED WE HAVE SUFFICIENT EASEMENTS FOR A PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT HAS PROMPTED US TO COME FORWARD TODAY. AGAIN, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS ON THE SLIDE HERE. THERE IS THE ONE TIME DUNE RESTORATION TO THE NORTH AND GREEN. THERE IS THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IN THE YELLOW AND SERENADA CAME IN AND WANTED TO ATTACH TO THE ONE PTIME DUNE RESTORATION PROJECT.

WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS ARMY CORPS PROJECT IN THE YELLOW TODAY.

SO IT'S A FULL 50 YEAR BEACH RESTORATION PROGRAM, THE PREDICTED INTERVAL IS 12 YEARS.

EVERY 12 YEARS THEY THINK THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AT THAT TIME FRAME.

THEY ARE MOVING OUT THE Ã EXTENDING THE FLAT PART OF THE BEACH BY OVER 100 FEET AND PUTTING IN DUNES. THIS FIRST NOURISHMENT EVENT THEY ARE LOOKING AT 1.3 MILLION CUBIC YARDS OF SAND. THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO HAVE A NOTICE PROCEED THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND THE ADMITTED TOURIST DEVELOPMENT PLAN INCLUDING BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS, THE GREEN PROJECT AND THE YELLOW PROJECT WAS 1.8 MILLION A YEAR BEFORE THAT DEBT SERVICE AND JESSE WILL TALK TO US A BOUT FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER.

SO FOR THIS PROJECT, THERE NEEDED TO BE PERPETUAL EASEMENTS IN THE WORK AREA AND TEMPORARY PIPELINE EASEMENTS TO THE SOUTH. WE HAVE OVER 95 PERCENT OF THE PERPETUAL EASEMENTS. THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE TRICKLING IN WHO SAID THEY WILL SIGN IT. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FEW WHERE THEY HAVE REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT. AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ÃWHAT YOU HAVE NOT HEARD BEFORE ÃWE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN BRIEFINGS IS THE ESCROW AGREEMENT THAT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE AND MENTION THE PIPELINE. SO SINCE THE EROSION CONTROL LINE WAS ESTABLISHED, THE ARMY CORPS WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WORK SEAWARD OF THAT NEW EROSION CONTROL LINE.

SO THE ARMY CORPS HAS BEEN ABLE TO DESIGN THEIR TEMPLATE TO WORK AROUND THESE PROPERTIES WHO HAVE FOR ONE REASON OR THE OTHER DECIDED NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.

AND THIS IS A LITTLE HARDER TO UNDERSTAND CROSS-SECTION HERE. THERE'S THE EROSION CONTROL LINE. SO THEY CAN STILL ADD A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF SAND SEAWARD OF THAT. IT WOULD HAVE TO SLOPE DOWN FROM THE SIDES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AREA WHERE NO SAND WOULD BE PLACED. ON TO THE ESCROW AGREEMENT THERE ARE VACANT LOTS. SOME OF THEM BECAME VACANT DURING THE STORMS THAT IF A PERPETUAL EASEMENT WAS GIVEN AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY TO PLACE SAND THE LOTS WOULD NOT BE BE DEVELOPABLE. SO THE ACCOUNTANT AND THE ARMY CORPS WORKS TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF PLACING SAND WITHIN A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT PROVIDED THAT THE PRIVATE OWNER PAID FOR THE COST OF THE SAND. SO IN YOUR PACKAGE THERE IS AN ESCROW AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT FUNDING WITH THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY WILL PAY FOR THE ACTUAL COST OF THE SAND WATCHED THE CONTRACT IS MET AND WE HAVE A UNIT COST AND THEN AFFIRM ANY COST TO THE UNIT OWNERS. SO THIS IS A CROSS-SECTION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

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THERE IS THE FLOOD SHOAL BORROW. THERE'S AN INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY BORROW AREA JUST NORTH OF THE VILANO BRIDGE THERE. AND THEN THE LAST PLACE, THERE'S A SHOAL IN FRONT OF DAVID'S SHORES. THAT PIPELINE WOULD RUN THROUGH THE INLET. WE HAVE ASKED THAT THEY NOT RUN PIPE ON CORPUS POINT DUE TO THE SHIFTING NATURE OF THE SAND. SO THEY WOULD COME ACROSS THE JETTY AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION ÃTHE CONTRACTOR WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PLAN TO RUN THE PIPE ALONG THE BEACH OR TO GO OFFSHORE. SO IN SUMMARY, WE WILL COMMUNICATE WITH THE HOLDOUTS WE HAVE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION BUT WE WILL LET THEM KNOW WHAT IS COMING IN THE NEXT STEPS. IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE ESCROW AGREEMENT TODAY, STAFF WILL REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE A TEMPORARY EASEMENT AND ESCROW AGREEMENT. AND THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS.F YOU ACCEPT THE EASEMENTS WE HAVE IN HAND TODAY THAT WE WILL BRING BACK TO YOU IN THE FUTURE CONSENT ITEM.

AND WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE JESSE UP TO TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING.

>> JESSEE DUNN DIRECTOR FOR THE PROJECT MORNING. JUST TAKING OFF WHERE DAMON LEFT OFF JUST TO BRING UP THE FUNDING PORTION OF THIS AND TO GO BACK ABOUT A YEAR.

THE BCC AUTHORIZED AT THAT POINT ON MARCH 19, 2019 THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ASSEMBLED FINANCING TEAM TO PREPARE NECESSARY FINANCING DOCUMENTS.

THIS WAS UP TO $32.6 MILLION IN AT THE TIME IT WAS FOR COMBINED PROJECTS, BOTH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, COASTAL STORM, RISK MANAGEMENT PROJECT OF CS RM AS WELL AS A STATE DUNE RESTORATION PROJECT. WE ARE BRINGING ONE OF THOSE FORWARD TODAY.

BUT THAT COMBINED PROGRAM WAS CONTINGENT UPON A RECURRING $1.8 MILLION.

THE COMMISSION HAD APPROVED AND REAPPROPRIATED A CATEGORY 5 FOR TDP FUNDING.

OF WHICH THE DISCUSSIONS WERE 2.2 AND THERE. 1.8 WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROJECT. REMAINING DOLLARS IN RESERVES FOR SUBSEQUENT PROJECTS.

THERE WAS ALSO A CONSIDERATION TO LEVERAGE MSTU FOR LOCAL PARTICIPATION RELATED TO THE CSR THERE WAS A COASTAL HIGHWAY MSTU ESTABLISHED THE MODELING FOR THIS MSTU HAS BEEN A .5 MILL FOR THIS PROGRAM. OR THE STATE DUNE RESTORATION PROJECT, A SEPARATE SOUTH PONTE VEDRE DUNE MSTU IS ESTABLISHED. FOR THREE AND FOUR, THERE ARE SOME FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES COMING THROUGH THE STATE IN FY 17. THE FDEP RELATED TO HURRICANE MATTHEW LEVERAGED ABOUT Ã AWARDED A VERY SPECIFIC AMOUNT, 10,000,004 68 835 THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TOWARD THESE PROJECTS. AND THEN AS WELL THE BOARD HAS BEEN MADE AWARE THERE IS A TENTATIVE PROGRAM IN PLACE AND AN APPLICATION IS PENDING IN THE CURSE DOUBT: CURRENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. WE HOPE TOHEAR SOON ON THAT WHERE ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS HIGHLY RANKED.I BELIEVE WE ARE NUMBER SEVEN OVERALL FOR WHAT IS CONSIDERED 34.58 PERCENT REIMBURSEMENT ON A NONFEDERAL SHARE, VERY SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THAT LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY. IT'S 7 MILLION OVER 77 834. THAT'S TENTATIVE AT THIS POINT.

DO KIND OF TRANSITION OVER TO THE PROJECT AND THE RELATED PROCUREMENT, THERE ARE TWO MOTIONS TODAY. ONE OF THEM IS TRANSFERRING A VERY SPECIFIC $1,113,820 FROM

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AND THIS IS FOR THE NONFEDERAL SHARE OF PERMITTING ENGINEERING AND DESIGN EXPENSES ALREADY OBLIGATED ON THIS PROJECT. I BELIEVE THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE SOLICITATION IS APRIL 10, SO THAT TRANSMISSION WOULD BE IF APPROVED TODAY PRIOR TO THAT APRIL 10 ADVERTISEMENT.

AS WELL THE SECOND MOTION THAT'S BEEN THERE RELATED TO THE FINANCING TODAY WOULD BE TOO INITIATE AN RFP PROCESS TO THE COUNTIES FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO SOLICIT FINANCING PROPOSALS UP TO $20 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COMMISSION ON MAY 19, 2020.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, JAKE GLOVER FROM PFM IS HERE TODAY IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE PROGRAM AS WELL AS STEVE MILLER FROM MGM WHO IS ÃASSISTS AS COUNSEL IN OUR FINANCING TEAM. BUT THE $22 MILLION IS AN UP TO AMOUNT THAT IS CALCULATED ON THE NONFEDERAL SHARE PORTION WHICH IS 20,000,003 68. IT IS ALSO TO ALLOW FOR A RESPONSE TO WHERE THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT A BID UP TO 125 PERCENT OF THEIR TOTAL CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE. IT'S WITHIN A BLACKOUT.

SIMILAR OR ANALOGOUS TO A COUNTIES BLACKOUT. WHEN THERE IS AN FFP PROCESS.

WE WOULD RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION AFTER THE CONTRACT IS AFFORDED AND THEN WE ARE ALSO ADDING IN THIS A STAFF RECOMMENDED $500,000 CONTINGENCY IN THE EVENT OF UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES. THAT 500,000 IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE FINAL AND ALL ON THESE DOLLARS. THIS CONTRACT IS OPEN AND IF THERE ARE OTHER UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, THE COUNTY IS CERTAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR NONFEDERAL PORTION OF THAT. SO THAT IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION CONTINGENCY. AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS I WILL KIND OF LET YOU KNOW BRINGING THIS BACK IN MAY IS SOME LEVEL OF FORMALITY IN THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD ON THIS AND REALLY, THE DIRECTION IS TO RECEIVE THE BOARD DIRECTION TODAY ON THIS PROJECT.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON MAY 19 AS WE WOULD BRING BACK THOSE SOLICITATIONS WHAT WE WOULD DO AT THAT POINT IS WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF RECEIVING SUCH A LETTER, THE COMMISSION WOULD BORROW ÃWE WOULD BE LOCKED AND LOADED AND GOING TO A BANK CLOSING OR REFINANCE CLOSING AT THAT POINT TO BORROW THE SPECIFIC AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE IN THIS LETTER, PLUS A $500,000 CONTINGENCY AND ANY ASSOCIATED CLOSING COSTS RELATED TO THE FINANCING.

COMING BACK TO THAT $1.8 MILLION THAT'S BEEN KIND OF THE COMBINED ÃREALLY DIRECTED BY THE BOARD IS 1.8 ASSOCIATED THE BORROWING AT THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL WHICH IS $22 MILLION WOULD HAVE A RESULTING DEBT SERVICE AND AGAIN BECAUSE THESE ARE VERY ROUND NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO USE ÃWE DON'T HAVE THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS BID RESPONSE AS OF YET. SO I'M KEEPING THESE THEY ARE INTENTIONALLY ROUND NUMBERS.

THE RESULTING SERVICE WOULD BE ABOUT TWO AND AHALF MILLION DOLLARS ON 22 MILLION.

IF WE COULD REDUCE ÃWE DO KNOW THERE IS A PORTION OF THAT FDEP HURRICANE MATTHEW APPROPRIATION ALREADY AWARDED THAT COULD OFFSET THAT DEBT SERVICE WE ARE OFFSETTING $3.2 MILLION WHICH WOULD REDUCE THAT DEBT SERVICE TO ABOUT 2.1 AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE TENTATIVE

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THE RESULTING SERVICES WOULD BE DRAWN DOWN AGAIN OVER THE NEXT YEAR SO TO ABOUT $1.3 MILLION.

THE REMAINING TDT FUNDS ABOUT 1.8 WOULD BE USED TOWARDS THAT STATE DUNE RESTORATION PROJECT AS WELL AS FUTURE RE-NOURISHMENT PROJECTS AND THEN WE ARE ÃTHERE ARE REMAINING DOLLARS WITHIN THAT FIVE FOR OTHER POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL KIND OF BEING PUT TOGETHER. AND THEN THAT $7.3 MILLION RELATED TO HURRICANE MATTHEW REMAINING PORTION WOULD BE USED TOWARDS THAT STATE DUNE RESTORATION.

THESE ARE APPROXIMATE. THE TIMELINE ON THIS IS MARCH 3 WHERE TODAY THE BCC WOULD APPROVE THAT RESERVE TRANSFER OF 1.1 FROM CAT 5 TDT. AND THEN AUTHORIZE THE RFP FOR THE FINANCING. PFM WOULD THEN SOLICIT ÃPUT TOGETHER THAT RFP PROJECT AND SOLICIT THE RESPONSES. THEIR ANTICIPATED DATE OF RESPONSE WOULD BE APRIL 3.

TENTATIVELY, WE WOULD SET AN APRIL 8 MEETING WITH PFM AND COUNTY STAFF TO REVIEW THOSE RFP RESULTS AND THAT WOULD BE AN ADVERTISING MEETING. WE WOULD BRING THOSE BACK ON MAY 1940 BBC FOR THE COMMISSION TO IMPROVE THE FINANCING. AT THAT POINT WE ARE LOCKED AND LOADED IF THE BOARD MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS. KIND OF RUNNING CONCURRENT WITH THIS, IT'S NOT APPEAR. APRIL 10, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WOULD BE ADVERTISING THEIR SOLICITATION. THOSE WOULD COME BACK AT OR ABOUT JUNE 3 FROM THE ARMY CORPS. THEY WOULD RECEIVE THEIR BID PACKAGES, OPENNESS, PROVIDE Ã GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. AND WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF RECEIVING AN ARMY CORPS LETTER AS TO THE ÃTHE BBC WITHIN BORROW AND OR CLOSE THE FINANCING DEAL.

THAT'S THE FUNDING PORTION. I'M GOING TO HAND THIS BACK TO DAMON TO FIND A SUMMARY OF ACTION ITEMS. I AM AVAILABLE AND STEVE MILLER AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONERS, TO BRING THIS TO A SUMMARY, THERE IS AN ESCROW AGREEMENT IN YOUR PACKAGE FOR YOUR APPROVAL, FOR YOU TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO EXECUTE THOSE AGREEMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY.E HAVE EASEMENTS THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED TO DATE THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKAGE TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE BOARD. ALL EASEMENTS, THE REAL ESTATE, SO TO SPEAK, WILL BE CERTIFIED TO THE ARMY BOARD BY MARCH 31 OF THIS YEAR.

THESE TWO SUB BULLETS ARE CHANGEDTO THE PRESENTATION YOU SAW IN YOUR DRAFT.

ANY NEW EASEMENTS THAT WE GET BEFORE THAT TIME WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE CERTIFICATION AND THEY WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU ON THE APRIL 21 MEETING FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE.

THE OTHER ACTION ITEM IS TO TRANSFORM THE NONFEDERAL SHARE OF THE PERMITTING ENGINEERING AND DESIGN EXPENSES THAT THE ARMY CORPS HAS INCURRED TO DATE AND TO WRAP UP THE COMPLETION OF THE BID PACKAGE FOR ADVERTISEMENT AND THEN THERE'S AN AUTHORIZATION FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TO BORROW UP TO $22 MILLION FOR THE TOTAL NONFEDERAL SHARE.

I HAVE JASON FROM THE ARMY CORPS, THE PROJECT MANAGER IF YOU HAVE ANY PROJECT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. AND WITH THAT WE HAVE MOTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT

>> THE LOAN WOULD BE FOR 12 YEARS

WITH A DECLARED STORM BY THE PRESIDENT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MR. BLOCKER: AT THIS TIME YOU WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON

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WE HAVE TWO PODIUM SA. >> I AM JUST HERE TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU PERSONALLY A THANK YOU BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE LIVING ON THE BEACH AFTER MATTHEW AND IRMA. WE WERE HIT HARD BY BOTH OF THOSE.

AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE SOUTH PONTE VEDRE VILANO BEACH ASSOCIATION HAS WORKED FOR YEARS ON THIS, BOTH LINDA, CHAMBLISS AND TOM TURNAGE COULD NOT BE HERE THIS MORNING AND THEY BOTH ASKED ME TO SAY THANK YOU. THIS IS RESTORING NOT ONLY OUR BEACHES, BUT IT'S RESTORING OUR FAITH IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS

HUGE FOR US AND FOR YOU ALL. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> I WAS LUCKY TODAY. I CAME RIGHT IN AND TIME TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT. I AM PRESIDENT OF VILANO MAIN STREET PAST PRESIDENT AND NORTH SHORE IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATION AND WORK FOR THE CRA ADVISORY IN THIS AREA.

THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING THIS MORNING. SO COMMISSION, CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WE ARE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. WE WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO THANK OUR COMMISSIONER DEAN FOR HIS LEADERSHIP. THINK THIS IS A LEGACY MOMENT FOR HIS CAREER AND FOR US IN VILANO. AS A 36 OR 37 YEAR RESIDENT OF VILANO, I'VE WATCHED FROM MY PORCH MADE BARGES PUMPING THE SAND TO SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH ND THAT'S 35 YEARS BACK GOING THIS WAY. SO FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS IF WE COULD HAVE THIS SUPPORT ÃI HATE TO SAY THIS, FOR COUNTRY FOLKS, NO HOLES, NO HORSE. SOME NO BEACH, NO AD VALOREM TAX PHASE FOR RESIDENTS. THE BEACH IS WHERE THE PEOPLE, THE TOURISTS AND THE LOCALS INTERSECT WITH THE OCEAN. WE HAVE TO HAVE A BEACH, WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY PROTECTED AND THIS IS A MULTI-DECADE PROJECT. I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO THANK THE ARMY CORPS AND JASON. YOU COULD NOT GET A BETTER PERSON TO BE SENSITIVE TO OUR ISSUES, AND TO COME TO ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND EXPLAINED IT LIKE WE NEEDED EXPLAIN.

BE REGULAR WITH US AND TELL US THE BENEFITS. DAMON AND HIS GROUP.

THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT THE SIGNOFF OF THE BEACHFRONT SO WE THANK THEM GETTING THIS DONE. IN THE TOWN CENTER THE TWO HOTELS WE HAVE BUILT AND RESIDENTIAL COMING IN, THIS PUBLIC BEACH MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

OUR RAMP AT THE TOWN CENTER IS SOUTH OF WHERE THE SAND IS GOING TO BE PUMPED BUT SAND HAS A WAY OF MIGRATING SO I THINK IT WILL HAVE A BIG EFFECT ON THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN CENTER. WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE ARE GOING TO WELCOME ANY CONTRACTOR THAT'S SELECTED WITH OPEN ARMS. I HAVE TO MENTION JESSEE DUNN. WITHOUT THE FINANCIALS WE WOULD NOT GET THIS DONE. SO THANK YOU AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SUPPORT US AND WE CAN MOVE

FORWARD. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

I AM JOE BATEMAN. I LIVE AT 22 NORTH SERENADA DOCTOR IN PONTE VEDRE BEACH.

I AM ON THE BOARD WITH LINDA AND TOM OF THE BEACH ASSOCIATION.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT 4 AT LEAST ON MY SIDE SIX YEARS.

AMONG THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING 90 CONDO OWNERS.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MOVING FORWARD ON THIS. THE STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

WE HAVE REALLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH DAMON AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED AND WITH JASON.

AND WE WANTED ÃWE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS SUPPORTED BY A HUGE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BEACH.AND WHO ARE GOING TO BE PAYING ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES TO HELP WITH THE FINANCING. AND WE ARE ALSO VERY FORTUNATE. THE STATE HAS STEPPED UP SOME MORE TOO. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

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>> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER HREE? MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT SEEING ANYONE

COMING FORWARD WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. JESSE, WE CAN ASK THEM TO YOU IF YOU DON'T MIND. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. THIS IS ÃIT'S GOING TO BE SUSTAINED BY TDT ALLOCATION WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE REDUCED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SOFT NUMBERS IN REGARD TO STATE CONTRIBUTION COULD BE DOWN AROUND 1.3 MILLION PER YEAR

FROM THE TDT. >> THAT'S CORRECT >> IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT AND THAT IS DEFINITELY UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT. WHAT IS THE .5 MILL MS 2 TO YOU

CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? >> D .5 MILL CALCULATION, THIS

IS AN AGGREGATE. ÃIT'S ABOUT $18,000 >> SO ABOUT $18,000 PER YEAR AND .5 BUT THE TDT IS UP TO SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 1.8, 100 TIMES MORE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE.

135 PERPETUAL EASEMENTS. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS.HE COST OF PFM TO

SOLICIT THE FINANCING PROPOSALS, THERE IS NOT >> THERE IS NO COST.

>> NO PROBLEM AT ALL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THIS SUMMARY IS APPRECIATED BUT IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR EXPLAIN WE ARE PARTICIPANT AS A FACILITATOR BUT WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF THIS.

IT'S A CONTROLLED, MANAGED PROGRAM SO I WANT CONSTITUENTS TO BE AWARE THAT.

WOULD LIKE TO AND WE WOULD LIKE OUR RESIDENCES FROM AS SOON AS THE FIRST HURRICANE HIT, I AM STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO TO ALLOW HOMEOWNERS TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY SEE FIT WITHOUT NOW GOING ON 40 YEARS OF BUREAUCRACY. AND THERE'S NO REFLECTION ON YOU OR ANYBODY THAT'S HERE. THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH.

THIS AGENDA OR THIS INFORMATION IS ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS BUT IT WILL NOT PUT SAND ON THE BEACH. WE HAVE TO GET A CONTRACT APPROVED AND IT HAS TO BE UNDER THE 125 PERCENT OF THE ESTIMATE. AND THERE ARE MORE STEPS WITH CONTINGENCIES THAT HAVE TO OCCUR AS I UNDERSTAND IT. AM I MISSING SOMETHING IN THAT

REGARD? >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE CONTRACT BUT THERE ARE THE POTENTIAL FOR CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. I WILL REITERATE STAFF PUT 500,000, IT'S A VERY ROUND NUMBER FOR CONTINGENCY. THE COUNTY COULD BE IN A POSITION WHERE THERE IS A NONFEDERAL SHARE CONTINGENCY OUTSTANDING BEYOND THE $500,00

THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RESPOND TO, YES. >> I WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE THIS IS NOT A HARD AND FAST FIXED CONTRACT. IT'S AN OPEN ENDED CONTRACT AS IT WOULD BE ANYWHERE ALONG THE ATLANTIC OCEAN SEABOARD. THIS IS NOT JUST TO OUR COUNTY OR OUR STATE THIS IS EQUAL TO ANYONE CONSIDERING THESE EXPENSES ON THE SOURCES OF THESE EXPENSES. BOTTOM LINE IS I WANT PEOPLE TO BE COMFORTABLE IN THEIR HOMES AND PROTECT TEIR PROPERTY AS THEY SEE FIT. WE ARE NOT AS A COUNTY IN CONTROL OF THIS. WE ARE FROM THE FACILITATOR AND LOOKING FOR THE BEST RESOURCES POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. IT'S NOT PERMANENT. THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL REFERENCES TO SHIFTING SAND. THAT'S NATURE. THE ONES WHO DID NOT APPROVE WILL RECEIVE SAND NATURALLY. IT WILL FIND ITS NATURAL BALANCE AND FILLS IN THE LOW SPOT JUST LIKE WATER DOES. NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE EQUAL.

IT WILL SHIFT IN AND OUT EVEN AFTER THIS IS PLACE. THE 50 YEAR PROGRAM FOR SAND TO BE RE-NOURISHED DURING THE 50 YEAR PROGRAM HAS TO MEET FEDERAL GUIDELINES.T'S NOT UP TO US TO SAY YES YOU HAVE BEEN DAMAGED AND YOU WILL GET SAND NEXT WEEK.

IT GOES TO THE SAME PROCESS TO EVALUATION AND SOURCING THE SAND, CONTRACTS AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE SAND. I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYONE THAT THIS IS A VERY QUICK FIX.

THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE FOLLOWED FOLLOWING FEDERAL GUIDELINES TO GET TO THE COUNTY. I'VE HAD MULTIPLE QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THIS AS TO WHO IS PAYING FOR IT HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE WILL THIS PUT SAND ON THE BEACH?

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BUT THE VALUE OF HOMES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOMETHING CATASTROPHICALLY AFFECTED ON THE BEACHES HAVE INCREASED NOT DECREASED THE MAJORITY OF IT IS BASED ON THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR ECONOMY AND WHEN THE ECONOMY CHANGES VALUES WILL CHANGE BUT HOME VALUES THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A CONCERN THAT THEY WOULD DROP 50 PERCENT AND NEVER RETURNED.

BASED ON ASSESSED VALUE IN THAT FIRST YEAR THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY WE DON'T DO THIS HOME VALUES WILL DROP.

THAT'S AN ACCURATE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED. NOT MISLEAD PEOPLE.

WE SEE THAT WITH THE CORONAVIRUS. WE SEE THAT WITH SO MANY OTHER THINGS. I'M NOT IMPLYING THAT OUR COUNTY OR ESTATE.

IT'S HAPPENING ORGANICALLY. WHEN RESTORING THE BEACHES WE ARE GETTING INTO SOMETHING THAT'S UNKNOWN. UNDERGROUND SOIL CONDITIONS AND THE LIST GOES ON.

I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW LONG IT WILL STILL TAKE TO SEE THE SAND COMING TO THE BEACHES.

IT'S A LOT CLOSER THAN IT WAS WHEN WE STARTED ROUGHLY 4 YEARS AGO.

RE-NURSING OUR BEACH IS ENABLING PEOPLE TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTIES BUT I DON'T WANT TO ÃBASED ON THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. THEY WILL CHANGE.

I WANT TO BRING THAT OUT. THERE WAS A SLIDE SHOWING A TEMPLATE FOR A PROPERTY IF THEY DID NOT SIGN THE EASEMENT. COULD WE PULL THAT BACKUP? IT SHOWED AN EROSION CONTROL LINE AND I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON AN EROSION CONTROL LINE VERSUS A COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE AND A PROPERTY LINE. THEY ARE NOT ONE IN THE SAME.

I THINK YOU JUST PASSED IT TO SLIDES EARLIER. >> IN THIS AREA AND WE HAVE Ã GAIL OLIVER CAN GIVE A MUCH BETTER TECHNICAL EXPLANATION. SHE IS ALSO A SURVEYOR.

THE EASTERN PROPERTY VALUE BOUNDARY OF THESE PARCELS IS AT THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE.

SO THAT IS A LINE YOU CAN FIND FROM DAY TO DAY. OF THE AVERAGE HIGH TIDE.

THEY GO OUT AND FIND WHERE IS THE ELEVATION THIS DAY. WE HAD A SURVEY GO OUT AND FIND THAT LINE AND WE HAD THAT THE DEP PARTICIPATES IN AND INITIATES A WORKSHOP AND PUBLIC HEARING MEAN HIGH WATER LINE SURVEY BECOMES A FIXED PROPERTY BOUNDARY FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. SO IT DOES NOT MOVE OR COME IN AS THE SAND ACCUMULATES OR DRIFTS AS YOU SAY AND THE REASON THE STATE REQUIRES THIS IS IF THEY ARE ADDING SAND SEAWARD OF THEM OUTLINED, THEY WOULD BE CREATING PRIVATE PROPERTY AND REMOVING WHAT IS NOW STATE PROPERTY. THE STATE OWNS WHAT THEY MEAN HIGH WATER LINE.

THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE IS A LINE THAT IS SET IN STATUTE UPON THE SEAWARD OF WHICH THERE WERE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING. IN THIS AREA THAT LINE IS CLOSER TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF A1A. SO FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE SEEN SEAWALLS. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A SEAWALL SEAWARD OF THAT LINE YOU NEED A

COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE PERMIT. >> THAT'S HELPFUL.

WHEN A PERSON PURCHASES A PIECE OF PROPERTY IT'S GOT A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF FOUR SIDES.

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BECAUSE IT'S MORE RECENT BASED ON ELEVATIONS OF SAND AND THE LOCATION OF WATER.

>> YES. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET OUT OF MY DEPTH HERE, BUT THOSE SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES THAT WERE DRAWN ON THE MAP, THE WATER LINE IS INSIDE THOSE BOUNDARIES. SO ABOUT STATE LAW THAT SAYS EVERYTHING SEAWARD AND I BELIEVE IT COMES FROM A FEDERAL LEVEL IS PUBLIC PROPERTY ALREADY SUPERSEDED THAT.SO

THIS JUST MAKES IT SO THAT BOUNDARY DOES NOT MOVE. >> AGAIN.

THE BOUNDARY MOVES. PHYSICALLY AND PRACTICALLY SPEAKING.

THE DESIGNATION IS SET BASED ON WHATEVER DATE GETS MEASURED AND ACCEPTED AS SUCH.

IF THE FEDERAL LAWS CHANGE THAT LINE CAN CHANGE. I DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT SOMEBODY WHO IS CONSIDERING BUYING OR SELLING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THAT LINE IS

FIXED WHILE THEY WORKED THERE. IT CAN MOVE. >> YES.

THE DEP CAN RESEND THE LINE. IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T GO FORWARD OR FOR SOME REASON

ISN'T STOPPED IN THE FUTURE >> FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ALLOWED THE EASEMENTS THEY WILL BE RECEIVING SAND FUNDED BY THIS PROGRAM ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THIS LINE, PRIVATE PROPERTY SIGN OF THIS LINE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HEARING THINGS FROM WEBER SOCIAL MEDIA WOULD HAVE YOU ARE NOT ACCURATE AND I WANTED TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD SO THAT THEY CAN REFER TO THIS MEETING AND NOT JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. YOU ARE LITERALLY THE EXPERTS WE HAVE TO TURN TO AND I APPRECIAT YOUR EXPERTISE. I HOPE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN ACQUISITION BECAUSE IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE. I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH AFFIRMATION THAT PEOPLE CAN GO 2 TO MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE WITHOUT UNEXPECTED SURPRISES FOR FINDING THAT THEY BOUGHT THE PROVERBIAL SWAMP LAND AND CANNOT BUILD ON IT FOR WHATEVER REASONS.THIS IS HELPFUL AND I APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE IN ALLOWING ME TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S SHIFTING SAND.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A ROAD YOU BUILD AND EXPECT THEY WILL BE THERE BARRING SOME CATASTROPHE FOR GENERATIONS. THIS IS SHIFTING SAND AND THE RULES CHANGE BASED ON THE LEGISLATORS WHO ARE IN CHARGE EVERY TIME THE STATE GOES IN SESSION THEY TAKE OVER MORE OF OUR RULE AND THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. IT'S NOT OUT OF THE PROCESS AS A WHOLE. THE INDIVIDUALS LOOKING TO PROTECT OUR HOMEOWNERS AND THE VALUE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IS SIMPLY TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP PEOPLE SET THEIR OWN EXPECTATIONS. WE ARE NOT MAKING IT FOR THEM.

I APPRECIATE THE HERCULEAN EFFORT YOU HAVE MADE TO PROTECT 90 PERCENT OF THE EASEMENTS.

THAT'S NOT EASY WHEN EACH INDIVIDUAL HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION WITH THE LEGALESE THAT'S INVOLVED AND WHAT CAN CHANGE OVER TIME. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE WITH EYES WIDE OPEN FOR THEIR TAXPAYER MONEY WILL BE GOING AND THE PERMANENCE OF THE EXPENDITURE.

IN THE EXPECTATION OF THE RESULTS SO THAT IT IS AS GOOD OF AN EXPERIENCE AS EXPECTED

FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> MR. BLOCKER: I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR THE HARD WORK YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS.

THIS IS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SO MANY OF OUR CITIZENS DON'T REALIZE THE HARD WORK THAT GOES INTO IT. I WANT TO THANK YOU AND JESSE, ALTHOUGH ÃALL THE NUMBERS I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT. THEY ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN WE GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR. THINK WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BEACH EROSION AND THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT'S IMPACTING THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THERE'S ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THAT. IT DOES IMPACT HOME VALUES AND THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF EXAMPLES AS TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS LOCAL GOVERNMENT BEING RESPONSIVE AND THAT'S OUR JOB. IT'S TO COME UP WITH THAT AND BE RESPONSIVE TO OUR RESIDENTS SO I APPHIS TOGETHER AND WANT T OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AS WELL. IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO PUT INTO THIS.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS EVERYDAY ABOUT IT.

THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO HAMMER OUT THESE DETAILS AND MOVE FORWARD. I WANT TO THANK THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. YOU DO THESE PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL. EXCITED ABOUT HAVING YOU WORK YOUR

>> AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I HAD NOT MENTIONED THEM BEFORE BUT THEY REALLY HELPED WITH THIS PROCESS BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE ELEPHANT WITH THE ARMY THAT IT MADE A DIFFERE THIS PROCESS. AND THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY.

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>> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE SEVERAL MOTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, THE ONE UNSUNG HERO THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IS GAIL OLIVER. SHE AND HER STAFF REALLY WENT THE EXTRA MILE. SO THE WHOLE TEAM EFFORT AND PLEASE PASS THESE ALONG TO JACKIE AND TIM AND COLONEL KELLY. WE ARE SO HAPPY TO HAVE SUCH A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP. I WANT TO QUICKLY RECOGNIZE AND THANK OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION IN TALLAHASSEE. THEY ARE SPOT ON WATCHING THE STATE DOLLARS AND WATCHING THAT 50 MILLION A YEAR RECURRING REVENUE AND HOW IT RAKES TO CINDY AND TRAVIS AND PAUL, A BIG THANK YOU AND TO CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD. LET ME ASK EITHER LEGAL OR ADMINISTRATION.

I KNOW THERE ARE FOUR MOTIONS TO BE MADE. DO THEY NEED TO BE SEPARATE

MOTIONS? >> YES. THEY WOULD LIKE THAT

SEPARATELY. >> OKAY. SEPARATE VOTES.

THE FIRST MOTION WOULD BE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 60 APPROVING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE ESCROW AGREEMENT AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE SAME FORM ATTACHED

>> SECOND >> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN ANY

DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE >> THE SECOND MOTION MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 61 ACCEPTING PERPETUAL BEACH STORM DAMAGE REDUCTION EASEMENTS IN THE TEMPORARY PIPELINE EASEMENTS FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT PROJECT SELF PONTE VEDRE BEACH IN VILANO BEACH REGIS

>> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0. THE NEXT

MOTION? >> THE THIRD MOTION, MOTION TO TRANSFER $1,113,280 FROM THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX CATEGORY 5 RESERVES AND TRANSMITS TO THE U.S. CORE CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR THE NONFEDERAL SHARE OF THE PERMITTING ENGINEERING AND DESIGN EXPENSES FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT PROJECTS

SELF PONTE VEDRE BEACH IN VILANO BEACH >> SECOND

>> A MOTION BY DEAN AND A SECOND BY BLOCKER. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE. THIS IS ALREADY OBLIGATED, CORRECT?

>> THIS IS ALREADY OBLIGATED, CORRECT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? EEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0 > AND THE FOURTH AND LAST MOTION, MEDICINE AUTHORIZING THE COUNTIES FINANCIAL ADVISOR PA AFN FINANCIAL ADVISORS LLC TO ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO BORROW UP TO $22 MILLION FOR THE NONFEDERAL SHARE OF THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT PROJECT SELF PONTE VEDRE BEACH IN

VILANO BEACH REGIS). >> SECOND >> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS ONE I WANT TO SAY HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL PHILOSOPHICAL OBJECTION TO THE FUNDING SO I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT.

I KNOW THIS IS MOVING FORWARD BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM PFM TO SECURE THAT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH IT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE.

I MESSED UP. I SHOULD HAVE HIT NO. CAN WE READ VOTE? I VOICE MY OBJECTION. ANYBODY ELSE? MINE IS NO.

NOTHING ELSE TO COME FOR NUMBER FOUR NOW WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. AGENDA

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ITEM NUMBER 4 MS. FRAZIER? >> THIS IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT SO IT'S NOT AN EX

PARTAKE. >> BEVERLY FRAZIER GROWTH MANAGEMENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2000 1906 SIX FAVER DYKES HOMESITES.

THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO REQUEST AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CLASSIFICATION OF APPROXIMATELY 16 FOR EIGHT ACRES FROM RURAL SILVICULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL A AND INCLUDES A TEXT AMENDMENT OF FIVE UNITS.THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF U.S. 1 S. AND INTERSTATE 95 WITH ACCESS FROM FAVER DYKES ROAD.

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RESIDENTIAL A ALLOWS ONE DWELLING UNIT PER NET ACRE TO INCREASE THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING OPEN RURAL ZONING. THE TEXT AMENDMENT PROVIDES A FIVE DWELLING LIMITATION MATCHING THE NUMBER OF EXISTING PROPERTY DIVISIONS.

THIS IS A LOOK AT THE OWNERSHIP MAPS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE FAMILY FARM PARCELS AS WELL AS THE OTHER TWO PARCELS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT. THE OPEN RURAL ZONING WILL BE MAINTAINED TO ALLOW LIMITED RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL USES CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED LAND USE IT WILL INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF THE AREA AND IT DOESN'T SHARE ALLOWABLE USES AND WILL LIMIT THE TYPES OF PERMANENT USES AS COMPARED TO RURAL SILVICULTURE.

THE MAXIMUM PROPOSED DENSITY OF FIVE SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS IS CLASSIFIED AS A SMALL PROJECT FOR CONCURRENCY REVIEW DEVELOPMENT OF THREE NEW HOMES IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE 22 DAILY TRIPS AND ONLY THREE NEW EXTERNAL PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND THEIR IS CURRENTLY ADEQUATE CAPACITY ON THE DIRECTLY ACCESSED ROADWAY SEGMENT LINKED TO 116.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF THREE ADDITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE .72 STUDENTS BASED ON THE GENERATION RATE PER HOUSEHOLD WITHIN THE PEDRO MENENDEZ CONCURRENCY SERVICE AREA AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MAY JUST GO CAPACITY AND THAT WILL BE DETERMINED PRIOR TO CLEARANCE SHEET APPROVAL FOR THE NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT DIRECTLY WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING RURAL DEVELOPMENTS AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MAY PERMIT PRIVATE UTILITIES WITH A REQUIRED ONE ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND 100 FOOT LOT WIDTH.

THERE IS MINIMAL IMPACT TO PUBLIC PARKS AND RECREATION PWITH AN ESTIMATED DEMAND FOR RECREATION OPEN SPACE CALCULATED AT .036 ACRES. BASED ON THE ACREAGE OF THE EXISTING FIVE PARCELS, THEY ARE AFFORDED SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE PAS WELL AS THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ABOUT A QUARTER-MILE FROM FAVORED DIKES STATE PARK WHICH PROVIDES NUMEROUS RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS. THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL A FUTURE LAND USE RESIDENTIAL WOULD ALLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THREE HOMESITES ADDITIONAL HOMES ON PARCELS THAT RANGE FROM 2.38 ACRES TO 4.61 ACRES IN SIZE.

THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG FAVER DYKES ROAD IS COMPRISED OF LOTS THAT RANGE UP TO 11 ACRES IN SIZE AND A FEW SMALLER PARCELS OF LAND IN THE VICINITY ALONG CREEK ROAD AND HANSEN ROD ARE COMPRISED OF LOTS THAT RANGE FROM .19 ACRES TO .61 ACRES IN SIZE. THE HYDE PARK PLAN RURAL DEVELOPMENT IS ADJOINING THE BOUNDARY IS PLANNED FOR 37 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON A TOTAL OF 178 ACRES WITH THE REMAINING AREA IS RESERVED FOR A RESERVE AREA. THE CREATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL A APPEARS COMPATIBLE BASED ON THE AND THE DENSITY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS PRIMARILY PARCELS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGNATION OF RURAL SILVICULTURE. THE DAVIS FAMILY PROPERTIES THAT DID THE FAMILY FARM DIVISION IN 2002 ALSO RECEIVED NINE ZONING VARIANCE.

THERE ARE PROVIDED BY 60 FOOT STABILIZED EASEMENT ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE THREE

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I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP. THIS CAME UP AT PZA. THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE AREA OF THE BASIN AREA IS NOT LOCATED ON THE LONG PARCELS AND THEY ARE SHOWN HERE, THE AREA OF WETLANDS AND IT WAS NOTED THAT STAFF DID PROVIDE THAT SINCE THAT MEETING A WORK ORDER WAS PROVIDED TO PUBLIC WORKS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE FROM THE ROAD AT THIS LOCATION.

TWO PHONE CALL INQUIRIES WILL RECEIVE A RESIDENTS OF THE AREA FOR INFORMATION THAT STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THIS REQUEST.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY VOTED 6 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF THE AMENDMENT.

IT DOES DISCUSS FURTHER LANGUAGE BE INCLUDED TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE CONCERN EXPRESSED BY THE PUBLIC DURING COMMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS TRANSMITTAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2000 1906 AND PROVIDES FOR FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT EMOTION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

SEEING NONE WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. >> GOOD MORNING.

KAREN TAYLOR. >> WE COME TO YOU IN STEREO THIS MORNING.

KAREN WON'T LET ME UP HERE ALONE. SO THE APPLICATION IS FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR AT THIS MEETING TODAY IS FOR THE ABILITY TO TRANSMIT THIS APPLICATION. SO MY NAME IS CHRIS SHE I'M A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY. AND I OWN A COUPLE OF COMPANIES LOCALLY.

MY MAIN COMPANY IS MASTERCRAFT BUILDER GROUP WHICH IS ALSO THE OWNER OF THIS LAND.

I FOUND THE HOMEBUILDING COMPANY IN 2011 WE WERE HEADQUARTERED ON RACETRACK ROAD AND WE JUST RECENTLY MOVED IN DECEMBER TO A NEW OFFICE. WE DOUBLED IN SIZE TO GRAB 34 EMPLOYEES. WE BUILT 80 HOMES LAST YEAR IN 2019, AND VERY EXCITING.E CLOSED OUR 400 HOME LAST MONTH. ALL OF THE HOMES, TOO, ARE BUILT HERE IN THE COUNTY.

ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE HERE. SO SOME BACKGROUND.

I PURCHASED THIS LAND IN MAY 2018 AND I KNEW THAT RURAL SILVICULTURE WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED IN ORDER TO BUILD MORE THAN ONE HOME ON THE PROPERTY. SO I MET WITH MS. TERESA BISHOP AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER WALDRON TO TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DOING SO.

AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT I GO SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY CLOSE ENCLAVE OF A COMMUNITY, AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO KNOW EACH OTHER VERY WELL AND COMMUNICATES VERY WELL. AND SO I DID THAT. I WENT AND MET ÃI WALKED AROUND THE PROPERTY AND MET MY NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WEST, THE DAVIS FAMILY, AND I MET THE HIRES FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF ME. AND IF I WOULD HAVE JUST DONE MY APPLICATION ON MY OWN, I WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THE 10 ACRE THRESHOLD SO I WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO NOT HAVE HAD TO HAVE IT TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE, HOWEVER THE DAVIS FAMILY AND RECOGNIZING THEIR ISSUE WITH THE FAMILY FARM ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY ASKED IF THEY COULD JOIN IN THE APPLICATION AND THE HIRES FAMILY DELIBERATED ON THAT AS WELL.

BUT THE POINT IS, WE DID DELAY OUR APPLICATION. I HAVE NOT INCREASED THE TIMEFRAME AND THE COST IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS APPLICATION. BUT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO INCLUDE THE NEIGHBOR, WHICH TOOK US UP TO 17 OR SO ACRES.

AND THE WHOLE POINT OF TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS, NOT ONLY MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS BUT ALSO THE OTHER ON FAVER DYKES ROAD IS REALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT I AM NOT TRYING TO COME IN AND DISRUPT THE LITTLE ENCLAVE OF A COMMUNITY THAT THEY HAVE, NOR A BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE LAND, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS MY PROPERTY AND THEN ÃSO I HAVE TO PARCELS ON MY PROPERTY.

AND THREE TO THE SOUTH OF ME ARE THE DAVIS FAMILY, FOR THEIR FAMILY FARM.

THERE IS A LITTLE CLOSER SO YOU CAN SEE IT TO THE LEFT. THE DAVIS FAMILY 7.7 ACRES AND I'M JUST UNDER MY ACRE. THERE LOTS WERE LEGALLY DEVELOPED FOR THE FAMILY FARM.

MINE, THE PRIOR OWNER WHO I PURCHASED THIS FROM DIVIDED THE LAND ILLEGALLY.

SO THOSE DO NOT COMPLY. IT WOULD RESULT IN THE SAME NUMBER OF LOTS.

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>> THIS IS MY PROPERTY HERE AND THIS IS THE DAVIS FAMILY HERE. THERE ARE TWO HOMES ON IT.

THE DAVIS FAMILY HAD TWO HOMES HERE ANDTHEN THIS BACK LOT IS OWNED BY MR. DAVIS AND MRS. DAVIS'S SON. AND HE IS IN THE MILITARY AND NO LONGER HERE AND THAT WAS THE CATALYST FOR DOING THIS IS HE WOULD LIKE TO SELL HIS PROPERTY.

HE IS NOT GOING TO LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE AGAIN, AND HE WANTS TO SELL HIS PROPERTY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIS ENCLAVE IN FAVER DYKES, THERE IS REALLY A HUGE VARIATION IN LOT SIZES. YOU HAVE SOME OF THE VERY SOUTH CORNER THAT ARE VERY SMALL.

OUR PARCEL IS UP IN THIS REASON ÃREGION IS A HODGEPODGE SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARK RECREATION AND CONSERVATION BEING TO THE EAST.

THE SILVICULTURE DESIGNATION IF YOU WILL BUILD ONE HOME WITHOUT GOING TO THE PROCESS SO REALLY THIS WHOLE AREA DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE RURAL SILVICULTURE LAND USE.

SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO GO TO RESIDENTIAL A. RESIDENTIAL A ALLOWS ONE UNIT PER ACRE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WANT TO PROTECT THIS ENCLAVE OF THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE DONE THAT IN OUR TEXT AMENDMENT. IT WILL ALLOW A TOTAL OF FIVE PARCEL, FIVE HOMES WITHIN THAT BLOCK. AND THEN THE ZONING WILL STAY THE SAME AS OPEN RURAL.

I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO KAREN SO SHE CAN GET UP TO THE MORE SPECIFICS.

>> SO BASICALLY BEVERLY DID COVER ALL OF THIS. THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL BECAUSE IT IS OVER 10 ACRES. THAT'S WHY IT DOES HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE AND WILL COME BACK TO YOU AS WELL AS WELL AS PZA AGAIN. IT'S 16 1/2 ACRES AND I THINK CHRIS HAS KIND OF EXPLAIN ALL OF IT, BUT AGAIN, THE EASTERN PARCEL WAS DIVIDED INTO TWO PARCELS IN 2001 AND IS WELL PAST THE TIME WHEN THAT WAS ALLOWABLE UNDER OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO MAKE THAT INTO TWO LOTS. IT WORKS AS ONE PARCEL RIGHT NOW. AND THE OTHER ONE AS MENTIONED WAS A FAMILY FARM THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A FAMILY FARM. AND THAT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT.

THEY RECOGNIZE THE FUTURE. THEY WERE NOT THAT UNDERSTANDING AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OTHER ONES. THE TRUST ON 13 WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHEN THEY FIRST DID IF THEY THOUGHT YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH THOSE LOTS AND AFTER SOMEBODY ESTABLISHES IT AS RESIDENTS THEY CAN SELL IT BUT IT'S NO LONGER THE CASE. THE ENTIRE FAMILY FARM GOES AWAY SO NOW ALL THREE LOTS GO AWAY. IF THE ONE SON WANTED TO SELL HIS. WE HAVE A SITUATION ON THE OTHER SIDE THE HIRES FAMILY WE TALKED TO THEM A NUMBER OF TIMES AND THEY DIDN'T. NOW THEY HAVE A DEATH IN THE FAMILY THE PATRIARCH, SO AS THAT GOES AND IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE MOM IS NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT COME IN AS WELL. THE FAMILY FARM WAS A WONDERFUL THING TO ALLOW FOR IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY AND IT'S ALSO CREATED CERTAIN FAMILY SITUATIONS.

IF YOU WANT TO FLIP THAT FOR ME. I DID NEED IT.

SO YOU HAVE SEEN WHERE IT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LOT SIZES.

IT IS QUITE A DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZES FROM THOSE LITTLE TINY LOTS ALONG THE FRONT ÃALONG THE RIVER THERE. GENERALLY IT'S A VERY COHESIVE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I WENT OUT THERE TO TAKE PICTURES AND WE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE YOU ARE THERE. SO THE CHANGE ÃIT WILL PROVIDE FOR A BETTER CORRELATION

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AS CHRIS METIONED THE OPEN WORLD NO CHANGES BEING REQUESTED SO IT'S THE SAME ZONING AND YOU ALL ARE ALSO FAMILIAR ÃWE DID A SIMILAR THING WITH ANOTHER FAMILY ON THE CREEK. THAT WAS NOT A FAMILY FARM, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT AS A FAMILY FARM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE KINDS OF REASONS. THESE ARE JUST SOME PICTURES.

THIS IS BASICALLY COMING IN FROM U.S. 1. THERE IS QUITE THE CURVE AS YOU ARE GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY AND MAGICAL LEFT TO GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS ALL AWAY DOWN AT THE EASTERN END THE ENTRANCE TO PARADISE PARK.

THIS WOULD BE THE HIRES FAMILY PROPERTY WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST.

THAT'S ANOTHER VISION OF IT AND A FEW POINT OUT MAYBE THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THIS BASE AND SWAP AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE. THE NEXT PICTURE YOU WILL SEE IT MORE AND THAT CAUSED A LITTLE CONSTERNATION FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE ADDRESSING THAT THROUGH THE TEXT AS WELL.

LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, THAT WILL BE CHRIS'S PROPERTY THEY ARE ESTABLISHED ROADWAY EASEMENT AND JUST A COUPLE Ã JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE IS SOME QUESTION ON THE DRAINAGE AND WE DID TALK TO STAFF ABOUT LOOKING INTO THAT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BASIN KIND OF THING AND WE ARE HIGHER ON ONE SIDE AND HIGHER ON THE OTHER BUT IT CERTAINLY DOES GET LOWER AS YOU GO ALONG.

ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE CREEK. I WILL TURN IT BACK TO YOU. >> SO THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL MAP THAT WE SAW BEFORE SHOWING THE DIFFERENT HABITATS. THE DAVIS FAMILY WOULD BE THIS MORE SOUTHERLY HALF AND ONE WOULD BE THE MORE NORTHERLY HAPPEN WE DO HAVE A BASIN SWAP AS IT WAS NOTED IN THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY UP AGAINST FAVER DYKES ROAD.

WE HAVE LEARNED THAT DEPRESSION AREA WHICH IS NOW CONSIDERED A WETLAND WAS ACTUALLY BORROWED AND WAS USED AND DUG OUT TO BUILD FAVER DYKES ROAD. BUT IT IS NOT A WETLAND AREA.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL TOPOGRAPHY, JUST TO NOTE THE WETLAND AREA THAT KAREN MENTIONED, THE OVERALL TOPOGRAPHY SLOPES FROM THE NORTH AND WEST DOWN TO THE SOUTH AND EAST TO THE CREEK. THE BACK PART OF OUR PROPERTY IS HIGHER THAN THE FRONT PART OF OUR PROPERTY. AND SO FOR THE JUSTIFICATION WE FEEL THAT IT'S SUITABLE FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT IS LOCATED AROUND SIMILAR LOT SIZES IT RELATES TO RURAL TIMBERING AND AGRICULTURE ACTIVITIES IN THE AREA. IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. AREA HOME SITES IN THE AREA RANGE FROM ONE QUARTER OF AN ACRE UP TO 8 ACRES AND WE FALL WITHIN THAT RANGE AND THE NUMBER OF PARCELS IN THE AREA HAVE BEEN DIVIDED FOR LARGER PARCELS

>> I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE WAY WE PRESENTED IT IN THE WAY STAFF PRESENTED IT BASICALLY RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOUR LEGITIMATE HOME SITES. WE ARE ACTUALLY ADDING ONE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOL CONCERNS HE ÃCONCURRENCY, THERE'S NOTHING BUILT ON ONE OF MR. DAVIS'S LOTS BASICALLY AS IT EXISTS NOW WE ARE ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT BY ALLOWING CHRIS TO REEVALUATE AND SEPARATE HIS PARTICULAR LOTS. SO THOSE FIVE PARCELS ARE CONSISTENT AND THAT IS THE RECONFIGURATION FOR THAT 8.7 ACRES SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT LARGE LOTS. WE ARE NOT TAKING THESE DOWN TO SMALL LOTS AND THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

THE ADJACENT BOUNDARY, IT'S NOT VERY FAR AWAY FROM IT AS YOU SAW WITH THE PR D ADJACENT TO THIS AS WELL AS THE MIXED-USE AREA. SO IT REALLY ALLOWS FOR

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PWELL AS PROTECTION ON THE WETLANDS. >> THUS THE LAST PART.

IN TALKING TO THE HOMEOWNERS, I CANNOT PROMISE TO THEM THAT I WILL END UP BEING THE END USER OF THIS. SO WE WANTED TO PROTECT THEM FROM THEIR CONCERNS.

ONE OF THOSE BEING IF WE WOULD HAVE KEPT IT RESIDENTIAL A WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO ONE LOT PER ACRE AND AT 16 1/2 ACRES THAT WOULD BE WAY TOO INTENSE FOR THAT PROPERTY.

SO WE HAVE LIMITED THAT TO TEXT AMENDMENT FIVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SITES AND THEN MORE RECENTLY AS WE WENT THROUGH PZA WE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE BASIN SWAP IN THE WETLAND IN FRONT OF THE PARCEL. WHAT I AGREED TO DO IS PROHIBIT ANY SORT OF IMPACT TO THE WETLAND OTHER THAN WHAT WE NEED FOR MAINTENANCE AND ACCESS. SO WE HAVE BUT THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, WE FEEL IT, AND SOME ENTITLEMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE.

DOES NOT HOLD WATER? DOES IT RETAIN WATER? >> IT DOES SOMETIMES AND IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY. THE WATER SHEDS FROM THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN THERE IS A BERM BETWEEN THE WETLAND SO THAT FURTHER DAMS IT

UP. >> I LOOKED AT THE GOPHER TORTOISE MAP AND I CAN'T SEE HOW IT WOULD HOLD A WHOLE LOT OF WATER VERY LONG. MANY TORTOISES ARE ON THE PROPERTY AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE TO HOLDING A LOT OF WATER

THERE. >> THEY ARE IN THE NORTH PART UP AGAINST ÃNOT TO INTERRUPT, YOU DIDN'T ASK ME THE QUESTION BUT WHEN WE WERE AT PZA THEY BROUGHT QUESTIONS AND THEY BROUGHT QUESTIONS OF THE SEVERE TYPE. AS CHRIS WAS SAYING THERE IS ALMOST LIKE A ERM BETWEEN THEM AND THE ROAD. IT BUILDS UP A LITTLE BIT.

WE STILL FELT LIKE THAT WAS IMPORTANT. >> WEARS THIS WATER THAT COMES

OFF THE PROPERTY, HOW DOES IT GET TO THE OTHER SIDE TO GO TO THE CREEK?>> IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OUTFALL SO ESSENTIALLY WHEN THAT BOWL FILLS UP IT SPILLS OVER THE POLE.

IT DOES GO OVER FAVER DYKES ROAD WAY. THIS ÃTHIS IS STANDING ON FAVER DYKES ROAD LOOKING AT MY PROPERTY AND YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATION CHANGE.

I'M TRYING TO GO TO THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP. SO ON THE NORTH PART OF MY PROPERTY AMONG THE 20+ RANGE OF C LEVEL AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTH PART IT GOES DOWN TO 5. SO ONCE THIS BASIN SWAP HERE THAT'S AT 10 FILLS UP, IT OVERFLOWS AND CROSSES OVER

FAVORED DIKES AND RUNS DOWN TO THE CREEK >> SO IT FLOWS ACROSS FAVORED

DIKES ROAD? >> YES SIR. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> THE TWO PARCELS YOU HAVE ON THE DRIVEWAY, I WILL DISPUTE WHETHER IT RUNS NORTH AND EAST AND SOUTH AND WEST IT WILL BE A SHARED DRIVEWAY LIKE IS THERE

NOW? >> YES, SIR. MIND YOU YOU'RE THE DAVIS'S PROPERTY I WILL HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH ONE LOT BEING IN THE NORTHWEST AND ONE BEING ON THE SOUTHEASTERN WE DID LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THREE PARCELS ON MOM BECAUSE THERE'S THREE ONLY HIRES PROPERTY AND THREE ON THE DAVIS PROPERTY. IT WASN'T REALLY RESPECTING THE

LAND ENOUGH >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT >> AT THIS TIME WILL YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR PLEASE COME FORWARD. NOT SEEING ANYONE COME FORWARD WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT

>> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ÃI WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 20 1906 FAVORED DIKES HOME SITES SUBJECT TO FOUR

FINDINGS OF FACT >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

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>> >> IT IS A 20 1901. A PETITION TO ESTABLISH THE RIVERS EDGE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND IT CONTAINS 989 ACRES, AND THE CDD SERVES PORTIONS OF THE RIVERTOWN PUD AND DRI. THAT DRI AND ALMOST 4176 ACRES.

IT'S MIXED-USE AND IS APPROVED FOR 4500 DWELLING UNITS ABOUT 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND ABOUT 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL.

THIS IS A MAP SO IT'S SHOWING THE CDD AREA. THIS IS A MAP SHOWING RIVERTOWN, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY HAVE OTHER CDD'S ALSO OPERATING INSIDE THERE AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE BOUNDARY AGAIN OF RIVERS EDGE II CDD THREE.

CHAPTER 190 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES IN PART 5.5 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GOVERNS THE PROCEDURES AND APPROVAL AND IMPLEMENTATIONS OF CDD'S. THIS CDD PROPOSES TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF DRAINAGE ROADWAYS, LANDSCAPING, AMENITIES AND PARKS AND THE ESTIMATED COST IS OVER 42 MILLION.

THE CDD DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNTY TO ANY OWNERSHIP, OPERATION OR MAINTENANCE OF ANY OF ITS INFRASTRUCTURE SPECIFICALLY THIS CDD SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT ANY ACCEPTANCE OF ANY OFFER OF DEDICATION TO THE COUNTY SHALL BE AT THE SOLE DEDICATION Ã SOLE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND NOTHING IN THE PETITIONER SHALL BE CONSTRUED AS AN AFFIRMATIVE ACCEPTANCE BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

CHAPTER 190 PROVIDES THAT ANY CDD THAT IS GREATER THAN OR LESS THAN 2500 ACRES IN SIZE MAY BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THAT THE BOARD SHALL CONSIDER SIX FACTORS. I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE SIX FACTORS.

THE FIRST IS THAT STAFF DOES FIND THE THE PETITION STAFF FINDS IT SUFFICIENT TO THE STATE AS A MEASURE TO [INDISCERNIBLE] TO THE REMAINING COUNTY.

THIS CDD IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND WE FIND THAT THE RIVER COUNT DEVELOPMENT IS AMENABLE TO SPECIAL DISTRICT GOVERNMENTS AND THERE'S ALSO OTHER OPERATING CDD INSIDE RIVERTOWN THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING EFFICIENTLY. THE CDD WAS ADVERTISED ACCORDING TO FLORIDA LAW.

THE PROPERTY WAS POSTED WITH PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO CORRESPONDENCE. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT OF THE RIVERS EDGED THROUGH CDD AND WE DO OFFER THREE FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT OR DENY YOUR MOTION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL AND THE PETITIONER IS HERE. I WILL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

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>> COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THREE PFINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THE PASSES 5 TO 0.

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CONGRATULATIONS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. >> JAN BREWER, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A DISCUSSION ITEM WE HAD CONCERNING POTENTIAL TREE FINES FOR ILLEGAL CLEARING. IF YOU WILL REMEMBER OCTOBER 15, 2019, THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO START THIS PROCESS. OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO YOU IN DECEMBER 2019 WHERE THE STAFF WAS SEEKING DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.

DURING THAT DECEMBER MEETING, THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO CONSIDER A TIERED FINE APPROACH TO UNAUTHORIZED TREE REMOVAL, A TIME DELAY FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS, SPECIFIC FINE FOR SPECIMEN TREE REMOVAL AND A PER ACRE FINE WHEN YOU COULD NOT DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF TREE BENCHES THAT WERE REMOVED. AS A REMINDER, THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS WILL HAVE A DOUBLE FEE PERMIT FEE CHARGED, SO IF YOUR REGULAR PERMIT FEE WAS $3000, THE DOUBLE FEE WOULD THEN BE 6000 TO CONTINUE YOUR PROJECT. WE DO REQUIRE AN INCH PER INCH REPLACEMENT FOR THE TREE THAT'S REMOVED. IF YCANNOT READ RETURN THE TREE YOU WILL BE ALLOWED A TREE FUND PAYMENT AND THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE PURCHASE PRICE OF AN EIGHT INCH TRAY. WHAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED LAST TIME WAS THE DEFINITION THE COUNTY USES FOR A SPECIMEN TREE AND THAT'S CRITICAL FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION.

THE COUNTY DOES TO FIND A SPECIAL ENTRY IS 70 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL POINTS OF THE STATE CHAMPION TREE, UNLESS YOU ARE A LIVE OAK LAUREL OAK MAGNOLIA OR RED CEDAR.

THEN IF 50 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL POINTS OF THE CHAMPION TREE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE STATE ALSO USES THIS CALCULATION TO DETERMINE THE TOTAL TREE POINTS WHEN CALCULATING IT AS A SPECIMEN TREE OR A CHAMPION TREE. SO WE USE THE SAME CALCULATION THE STATE DOES. SO FOR OUR COUNTY THE CHAMPION LIVE OAK TREE FOR THE STATE IS 521 POINTS. IF YOU WERE TO BE DEEMED A SPECIMEN TREE LIVE OAK SPECIMEN TREE IN THE COUNTY YOU WOULD NEED 265 POINTS. CRITICAL TO TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS HOW TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO FIND SPECIMEN TREES? DO THEY EVEN HAVE A DEFINITION FOR A SPECIMEN TREE? AND HOW DO THEY ADDRESS THE ILLEGAL REMOVAL? SO I RETURNED TO THE SAME 14 JURISDICTIONS WE HAD FOR THE LAST DISCUSSION ITEM ONE TREE REMOVAL, STANDARD TREE REMOVAL FINES. AND RESEARCH THOSE JURISDICTIONS. SO WHAT YOU ARE FINDING HERE ON THIS SLIDE, YOU WILL SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. DEAFNESS AND SUPPORT SPECIMEN TREES AND UBOSI MAY VARY WIDELY. SOME DON'T EVEN CALL SPECIMEN TREES.

THEY HAVE EITHER A HERITAGE TREE OR A SIGNIFICANT TREE. YOU WILL SEE HERE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS A SIGNIFICANT TREE. THEY HAVE A LIST OF 43 SPECIES THEY CALL SIGNIFICANT. THE SMALLEST ONE IS AN EIGHT INCH CEDAR AND THE LARGEST ONE IS 36 INCH OAK IS WHERE THEY BEGAN THEIR CRITERIA FOR SIGNIFICANT TREE.

YOU WILL SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THIS SLIDE WHERE THEY HAD THE CALCULATIONS FOR SPECIFIC LINES. YOU WILL NOTICE THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DOES HAVE A TIERED APPROACH. THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH HAS SOMEWHAT OF A TIERED APPROACH BUT IS PER OCCURRENCE NOT PERJURY. CONTINUING, YOU WILL SEE ON THE

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A MAJORITY OF THEM, BUT NONE OF THEM HAD SPECIFIC SIZES, BUT THOSE SIZES VARIED.

THREE HAD JUST TEXT DESCRIPTION OF WHAT A SPECIMEN TREE IS. YOU DID NOT HAVE ANY DEFINITIONS. AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS NONE OF THE JURISDICTIONS DEFINED A SPECIMEN TREE USING THE CALCULATION LIKE ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AGAIN, THE FINES FOR SPECIMEN TREES VARIED AS WELL. SOME USED THEIR TYPICAL FINE FOR THEIR TRADITIONAL FINE FOR ANY ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL. JUDE TO JURISDICTIONS HAD A FEE AS YOU SAW ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS ALL OF THEM HAD WHEN THEY HAD A TREE BANK FUND PAYMENT WAS BASED ON THE PURCHASE PRICE OF A TWO INCH TREE.

SO ISSUES THAT WE CONSIDER WHEN CONSIDERING A DRAFT AMENDMENT, ALL THE JURISDICTIONS REQUIRED A COMBINATION OF REPLANTING THE INCHES AND A TREE BANK FUND PAYMENT AND EITHER AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT FEE OR A SPECIFIC FINE. THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND SEMINOLE COUNTY USED A TIERED APPROACH FOR THEIR FINES. ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION TODAY IS ST. JOHNS COUNTY PROTECTS TWO INCH CEDAR TREES AND THEY ARE WITHIN THREE MILES. IT EXPRESSES INTEREST EARLY ON. LIVE OAK TREES DESCRIBE THAT COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, WE DEVELOP BASED ON SAND OAK LIVE TREES WITHIN THREE MILES OF THE OCEAN. ALSO, THE DESCRIPTION OF A SPECIMEN TREES VARIED SO THERE WAS NO ONE JURISDICTION EITHER A FINE FOR A SPECIMEN TREE TO FINES WAS PROPOSED.

THERE WAS A $5000 FINE OR $15,000 FINE A $5000 FINE IS BEING PROPOSED TODAY.

TO JURISDICTIONS AGAIN HAD FINES FOR CLEARING WHEN YOU CANNOT DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF TREE INCHES LOST. THE AVERAGE IS $30,000. ALL JURISDICTIONS HAD A DELAY.

SOME TIME FRAME BEFORE YOU CAN BEGIN TREE REMOVAL. A DELAY OF SIX MONTHS IS BEING PROPOSED. SO A REVISION TO ARTICLE 4 TO ADDRESS ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL WE WOULD REQUIRE THE INCHES LOST TO BE REPLACED. BASED ON THE PURCHASE PRICE OF A TWO INCH TREE YOU WOULD HAVE A SIX MONTH SUSPENSION TIME SO HERE IT IS.

YOU WOULD GO TO THE TREE BANK FUND PAYMENT, AND THEN HERE IS A PROPOSED TIERED APPROACH FINDS IN THE LARGER THE TREE, THE LARGER THE FINE. THIS IS FOR PROTECTED TREES FOR SAND LIVE OAK. IF YOU ARE A CEDAR AND SAND LIVE OAK, THIS WOULD BE THE TIERED APPROACH. AN ASSESSMENT OF $5000 FOR REMOVAL OF A SPECIMEN TREE.

IF YOU CANNOT DETERMIE THE NUMBER OF TREE INCHES LOST, A $30,000 PER ACRE FINE AND BEEN A SIX-MONTH DELAY IN DEVELOPMENT. SO I KNOW THIS IS VERY SMALL

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SO IF YOU REMOVED AN EIGHT INCH TREE, YOU COULD REPLACE IT WITH FOUR TWO INCH TREES.

WE SAW A QUOTE FOR REPLACEMENT OF A TWO INCH TREE, AND IT WAS $275.

SUGGEST REPLACEMENT INCHES ALONE WOULD BE $1100. AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR $200 FINE FOR REMOVAL OF THE EIGHT INCH TREE FOR A TOTAL OF $1300 OUT-OF-POCKET FOR THE REPLACEMENT AND THE FINE FOR THE TREE. AND THEN I HAVE OFFERED UP SOME OTHER SCENARIOS HERE SO THAT YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY MEAN TO AN INDIVIDUAL. WE ARE HERE AGAIN TODAY FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU, THE BOARD.

A KEY. >> THANK YOU, MISS BREWER. ANY QUESTIONS?

WE WILL MOVE ALONG INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MR. BLOCKER: AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. PLEASE COMPORT YES, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING. I AM JK MOST 1315 SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I WAS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM RETIRED FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. I AM THE FORMER URBAN FORESTRY MANAGER FOR THE COUNTY. THE COUNTIES FIRST CERTIFIED ARBORIST AND ALSO MY LATEST POST WITH THE COUNTY WAS THE YES COORDINATOR. SO THE CHARACTERISTICS OF HOW TREES IMPACT WATER TRANSFORMATION OR WATER CONDITIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY IS VERY INTERESTING AND WAS AN ENLIGHTENING THING FOR ME TO DO.

FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY STAFF FOR THEIR EXTENSIVE WORK IN RESEARCHING HOW TO ADDRESS THIS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

I THINK WITH THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE THAT WE HAVE HAD, I AM ACTUALLY QUITE ENCOURAGED THAT SOME OF THESE FINDINGS FOR TREE REMOVAL, THE PROPOSED FINES FOR LAND CLEARING WITHOUT A PERMIT WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO DETER THOSE ACTIVITIES FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE WITHOUT A DETERRENT, THINGS LIKE A CODE ENFORCEMENT FINE OF $106 IS REALLY MEANINGLESS TO SOMEONE THAT'S ENGAGED IN THE ACTIVITY. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU WITH MY BACKGROUND IS WHEN YOU PUT A VALUE ON A TREE, THE CURRENT VALUE OF A GARDEN-VARIETY TWO INCH LIVE OAK TREE AT $275, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SPECIMEN TREES, THOSE TREES, FIRST OFF, THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS SPECIMEN TREES, THEY ARE NOT A SPECIMEN TREE UNTIL THAT OCCURS AND IS ABOUT TO OCCUR ÃI BELIEVE THE CODE HASN'T CHANGED ÃBY A COUNTY STAFF MEMBER ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THE ELABORATE CALCULATION BUT COMING UP WITH THAT DESIGNAION.

SO UP UNTIL IT BECOMES A SPECIMEN TREE, IT'S A MOOT POINT.

THE VALUE OF A VERY LARGE TREE, YOU CAN ASK OUR FRIENDS DOWN AT DISNEY IN ORLANDO WHAT IT COST TO TREE STAYED IN OR ACTUALLY INSTALL A HUGE SPECIMEN SIZE TREE.

THEY HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. MORE LOCALLY, OUR AIRPORT DID THAT WHEN THEY ACQUIRED SOME LAND. LASTLY, BECAUSE I SEE I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, IS I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME SUGGESTIONS. THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ADDED OR CHANGED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE APPLY TO ALL CURRENT AND OUTSTANDING CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT MIGHT BE OPEN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SO THAT THOSE THINGS CAN BE FULLY RECTIFIED WHEN THEY ARE DONE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS

MORNING IN PATIENTS AND LISTENING. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COMPORT.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. PLEASE COMPORT. NOT SEEING ANYONE, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT >> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. MISS BREWER, I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE THREE MILES THAT'S MENTIONED ON PAGE 7 AND PAGE NUMBER 10.

O YOU HAVE A MAP OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE?

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>> NO, I DO NOT. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, THAT'S HEALTHY CURRENT CODE READS. IT'S IN OUR DEFINITIONS IN ARTICLE 12.

IT DOES HAVE THAT THREE MILE LIMIT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER

SOMETHING MORE GEOGRAPHICALLY EASY SUCH AS Ã >> MINE WAS MAYBE CONSIDERING EAST OF THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE ÃBUT I ALSO WANTED TO MAYBE IT'S MOSTLY ON THE ISLAND, THE BARRIER ISLAND. I GUESS, IS THERE ANY ON THE SIDE OF THE INTRACOASTAL

WATERWAY? >> YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, WHEN YOU GET OVER TO THE WEST SIDE, THERE COULD BE DESCRIPTION OF A LITTLE BIT OVER ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT IT'S TRANSITIONING INTO MORE OF OUR OAK AND HI ON THAT SIDE. SO I THINK YOUR REASONING OF

THE BARRIER ISLANDS TO HAPPY MARITIME HI IS A GOOD SOLID. >> THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH ANYTHING EAST OF THE ICW WOULD BE REASONABLE AND NOT TO ENCROACHING INTO THE DIFFERENT STYLE OR DIFFERENT TYPE OF FLORA AND FAUNA

>> AS A COMPANION, THAT WOULD BE A REVISION TO THE DEFINITION OF ARTICLE 12.

>> THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. I SEE SOME SHAKING HEADS. >> MR. DEAN: MR. DEAN: WAS THINKING COASTAL HI, ANASTASIA ISLAND AND THEN BASICALLY WHAT I CONSIDER AN ISLAND, VILANO UP TO THE COUNTY LINE BECAUSE IT IS AN ISLAND IF YOU GO TO MAYPORT.

THAT'S WHAT I CONSIDER WHAT WE NEED TO BE ZEROING IN ON >> AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I SEE AND THE EASTWOOD TOUCH ALL THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

ANY OTHER DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD? >> MR. DEAN: WELL, I AM

PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS. >> MR. BLOCKER: I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU WILL PUT INTO THIS. IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT.

NEW LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE STATE. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT EXERCISE BECAUSE WE CAN LEARN WHAT OTHER COUNTIES DO AND WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK. I KNOW THIS IS A LABORERS PROJECT BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PROTECTING OUR NATURAL HABITAT AS WELL AS MAKING SURE WE ARE HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. SO THANK YOU FOR ÃAND OUR LEGAL STAFF AS WELL AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. DEAN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO ADVERTISE AND PROCESS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING

FINES AND PENALTIES FOR UNAUTHORIZED TREE REMOVAL. >> SECOND.

>> AND ALSO, CONSIDERING THE COMMENTS AND DELIBERATIONS MADE AT TODAY'S MEETING, WHICH I

THINK Ã >> I WOULD INCLUDE THAT >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY PCOMMISSIONER DEAN AND WITH THA AMENDMENT AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER PICKED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU.

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>> GOOD MORNING. BRADLEY BALK TIES SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

HERE TO PRESENT THE SECOND RATING OF PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LIABILITY CLAIM SETTLEMENT ORDINANCE FOR THE BOARD HEARD THE FIRST READING ON FEBRUARY 4.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD INCREASE THE SETTLEMENT AUTHORITY IS DELEGATED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FROM 10,000 TO 25,000. IT WOULD PROVIDE FACTORS FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S CONSIDERATION IN DETERMINING WHETHER A SETTLEMENT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND IT WOULD CLARIFY THAT THE SETTLEMENT OR REJECTION OF THE CLAIMS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD BE WITH THE ADVICE RATHER THAN THE CONCURRENCE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE FROM THE FIRST READING, BUT THERE WERE COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION AMONG SOME BOARD MEMBERS FOR ADDITIONAL RESEARCH. BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER WALDRON WAS ASKING WHAT OTHER COUNTIES WHO HAD RECENTLY HAD A SETTLEMENT INCREASE OR AUTHORITY INCREASE, WHAT EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE HAD

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THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION TO INCREASE THE DEDUCTIBLE OF THE COUNTIES INSURANCE POLICY, AND I HAVE BEEN ADVISED THERE HAS NOT BEEN THAT DISCUSSION. THE COUNTY WHICH DOES HAVE THE OPTION TO SEEK A HIGHER OR LOWER DEDUCTIBLE AND ADJUST ITS PREMIUMS ACCORDINGLY AS WELL BASED ON ITS FINANCIAL NEEDS, BUT THAT'S NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE SOUGHT TO IMPOSE UPON THE COUNTY.

SO AT THIS POINT, I HAVE THE ORDINANCE AS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED.

THERE'S ALSO SOME DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD ABOUT WHETHER TO INCLUDE THAT INCREASE OR KEEP THE LEVEL AS IT WAS. THE BOARD PRESIDENT INCLINATION IS TO GET THE SETTLEMENT AUTHORITY AS IT IS, I WOULD PRECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD DOES ADOPT THE FACTORS AND THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ABOUT ADVICE VERSUS CONCURRENCE, AND I CAN PROVIDE A DRAFT OF THAT

ORDINANCE TO THE BOARD FOR ITS CONSIDERATION AS WELL. >> MR. SMITH: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANYBODY?

WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MR. BLOCKER: AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 FOUR. MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT SEEING ANYONE COME FORWARD, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> MR. SMITH: IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.

I WOULD PREFER NOT GOING UP TO THE HIGHER LIMIT, ME PERSONALLY.

I LIKE TO STAY AT THE $10,000 RATHER THAN GO UP TO THE $25,000 WHICH IS FACT DEDUCTIBLE. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO STAY.

BUT I ALSO WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FAVORABLE TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CHANGE IN LANGUAGE FROM CONCURRENCE TO ADVICE. COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> MR. JOHNS: IF LEGAL HAS SOMETHING TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, I WILL DEFER TO THEM FIRST

BEFORE COMMENTING. >> IF I MAY, I THINK THE QUESTION OF THE 10K TO 20 5K, IT DOES HAVE A BASIS FOR THAT, A GOOD BASIS AND NOT AS THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM.

WE DID REACH OUT TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS. I THINK HE BRIEFED SOME OF THE RANGES OF THOSE 25 TO 54 THOSE. I DID DO SOME CALLING TO SOME OF THE JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE OSE HIGHER AMOUNTS, AND REALLY TO MENTION TWO THINGS. FROM THE INSIGHT THAT I GOT FROM YOU. NUMBER ONE IS THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE ÃBUT DO UTILIZE IT, THEY DO TEND TO BE COUNTIES THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT THAN WE DO WITH FACTS.

SOME ARE THE SELF-INSURED WHICH IN THE CASE, FENDER BENDER'S OR WHATNOT TYPE OF THING, BUT ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCE IS VERY USEFUL. SO THERE REALLY ARE PROS AND CONS TO IT AND WE ARE PREPARED TO GO IN EITHER DIRECTION. BUT I JUST DID WANT TO REITERATE THAT THERE WAS A BASIS TO GO TO THE 25.THANK YOU.

>> MR. SMITH: COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> MR. JOHNS: I JUST WANTED TO HEAR THAT. I UNDERSTAND FROM MY BREATHING THAT THIS WILL ÃWHAT HAVE

AFFECTED LESS THAN FIVE CASES IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO. >> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THERE ARE ÃI THINK YOU WILL RECALL FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING ON THE FOURTH THAT THERE ARE POTENTIAL CLAIMS THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE THAT THIS COULD ADDRESS.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE RECENTLY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THOSE TYPES OF CLAIMS COMING.

>> WOULD NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT I DON'T SEE ANY TO MAKE THE CHANGE.

>> MR. BLOCKER: IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. THESE CLAIMS AS WE GROW AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER JOHNS YOU ARE THE SENSES GUY. IT'S LIKELY AS WE GROW AS A CANDIDATE WE WILL HAVE MORE CLAIMS AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND A COUNTY ATTORNEY WE CAN ENTRUST US Ã IT'S AN ISSUE OF EFFICIENCY.

WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND STAFF INTO THESE BRIEFINGS. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE WE NEED TO BE ADAPTABLE TO DO THIS. THE 10,000 THRESHOLD WAS REALLY ÃHAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SOME TIME NOW.HAT WAS 2011 WHEN THAT WAS FIRST IMPLEMENTED.

WE ARE ALMOST 10 YEARS LATER AND A DIFFERENT COUNTY. WE ARE MORE ADAPTABLE.

I UNDERSTAND ARGUMENTS OF BOTH SIDES.E HAVE TO BE MORE TTORNEY WE COUNT ON TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. WE CAN'T MICROMANAGE EVERY PART OF THIS PROCESS.

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I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CONTINUOUSLY MORE EFFICIENT IN MAKING SURE WE ARE MANAGING OUR RESOURCES PROPERLY AND OUR STAFF PROPERLY AND GETTING THEM TO DO THEIR JOB TO BE MORE THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS BUT WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH A FARM. THIS IS EQUIPPING OUR STAFF.

IT COULD BE FIVE OR NINE OR 10 NEXT YEAR. THIS WOULD EQUIP OUR STAFF TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN ADDRESSING THAT. I AM SPEAKING FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN MY BACKGROUND WITH THIS, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT US

AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO FORWARD. >> MR. SMITH: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2028 AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2011 ÃFOUR PERTAINING TO PROVIDING THE SETTLEMENT AUTHORITY LIABILITY CLAIMS.

>> SECOND >> OF OMISSION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN THAT WOULD INCREASE IT TO 25,000 INCLUDING THE LANGUAGE PLUS THE OTHER FACTOR HERE THAT'S CONSIDERED. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

IT FAILS 3 TO 2. THAT MOTION FAILS 3 TO 2. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ANOTHER MOTION TO BE MADE? C4 YOU CAN SEE WITH THAT LANGUAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. THAT'S NOT A DRAMATIC CHANGE TO

WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN. >> YES, SIR. >> THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE SETTLEMENT AUTHORITY BUT THE FACTORS WOULD BE INCLUDED.

AND THAT IN THE ACTUAL OPERATIVE SECTIONS JUST SIMPLY CHANGING THE 25,000 TO 10.

SO THIS IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN BUT WITH THE RED LINE CHANGES WHICH

WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE INCREASE FROM 10 TO 25. >> MR. SMITH: DO YOU HAVE REDLINE CHANGE THE CONCURRENCE TO ADVICE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

>> I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS THE RED LINE FROM THE ORDINANCE YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET AND THIS WOULD JUST BE THE CHANGE TO REMOVE THE INCREASE TO 25.

>> MR. SMITH: VERY GOOD. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND

>> AND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

NY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

AND IT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVING ALONG ÃIT'S NOON BUT I THINK ÃLET'S MOVE ALONG. LET'S GET SOME THINGS DONE. MORE 8.

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MS. LUNDQUIST? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE NUMBER EIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU CONSIDERED AN EXCEPTION TO YOUR BCC RULE 2.2 TWO REGARDING THE ATTENDANCE OF A MEMBER OF THE HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES ADVISORY COUNCIL.

THIS MEMBER IS ACTUALLY DOCTOR ERIC: HE WAS MOVED IN ACCORDANCE TO THAT RULE WITH EXCESSIVE ABSENTEEISM THE LETTER REMOVING HIM FROM THE CHAIR NOVEMBER 21, 2019.

WE SUBSEQUENTLY RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE DOCTOR ASKING FOR THIS EXCEPTION IN JANUARY.

SO IF THIS IS THE ITEM BEFORE YOU NOW. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION IN YOUR PACKET OF THE ACTUAL RULE, THE LETTER THAT WENT OUT TO DR. COLON, THE LETTER WE RECEIVED FROM HIM AND THEN THE ACTUAL FIRST PAGE OF EACH MINUTE OF SEVEN MINUTES SINCE DR. COLON WAS APPOINTED TO THE BOARD. WHICH GOES BACK TO JUNE

>> I WANT TO SAY THE LETTER AND WHAT HE WAS REMOVED FOR HAPPENED IN 2019. YOU SEE FOR

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I FOLLOWED UP LAST THURSDAY WITH AN EMAIL TELLING HIM THAT IF HE WISHED TO COME AND SPEAK HE WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO. IT WAS NOT REQUIRED. I DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM HIM. I DO KNOW THAT STAFF KNOWS WELL THAT HE IS IN AN EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN ANY AS MILITARY DUTIES. AND ALSO, WE DID REACH OUT AND ON THOSE MILITARY DUTIES, WHICH YOU PROVIDED, THAT -- I BELIEVE IT'S IN YOUR PACKET -- IN REGARDS TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS THE REASON WHY HE MISSED THOSE MEETINGS IN 2019. THAT'S THE BASICS OF EVERYTHING. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF?

MEASURE? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER IN MY BRIEFING, JUST REVIEWING THE BOARD RULES AND POLICIES. WE HAVE ANYTHING IN HERE SPECIFIC TO EXCUSABLE STORE MILITARY LEAVE OR -- IN OUR ROLES THAT

WOULD ADDRESS A KEY. >> NO. THE RULE SPECIFICALLY -- THIS IS THAT NOW. WE ARE BRINGING IT TO YOU. I WOULD SAY THAT THE SUPPORT STAFF FOR THIS PARTICULAR BOARD, KNOWING HIS SITUATION, THEY DO REACH OUT. AND IF YOU WILL SEE, IN A PRIOR YEAR, TO 2019, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED, BUT THEY WERE GIVEN NOTIFICATION IN ADVANCE FROM HIM. SO THEY KIND OF LEANED ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION KNOWING WHAT HIS SITUATION WAS A DID NOT REMOVE HIM AT THAT TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY LOOKED AT IT AS IF WE WERE GIVING NOTICE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABSENT. I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT AS THAT'S AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. THE RULES DO NOT ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN THE VERBIAGE STATING THAT BUT LIKE I SAID KNOWING THE SITUATION WAS WHAT IT WAS, THEY DID TRY TO AIR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION WITH THOSE ABSENCES PRIOR.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW -- I UNDERSTAND BEING ABEING DEPLOYED. MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD BEFORE HAND AS FAR AS THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. I'M SURE IN THE HURRY OF THIS GENTLEMAN, BEING IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN, GOING -- I THINK THAT SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, THAT THERE IS A PROTECTION THAT COMES WITH BEING DEPLOYED, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN OBLIGATION JUST TO REACH OUT AS WELL AS A HALO, ON BEING DEPLOYED. I HAD TO COME TO THIS BOARD. I HAVE DUTIES THAT CONFLICTS WITH THIS BUT I CAN'T JUST NOT SHOW UP. I NEED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW. SO I GUESS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO LOOK AT AND HAVE THEM PUT IN OUR ROLES WITH A REMINDER THAT WE WELCOME PEOPLE WHO SERVE THAT HAVE AN OBLIGATION WEATHER FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS, BUT PRIOR NOTIFICATION IS EASIER. I THINK MR. CONRA, ARE YOU SERVING IN THE MILITARY?

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. SO HE CAN JUST NOT SHOW UP ONE DAY. WHERE IS THIS GUY? HE HAS TO GIVE US PRIOR NOTICE AND ALL THAT. BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE FORGET THAT IN THE HASSLE OF THEIR FAMILY OR JOB, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE LOOK AT A MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHEN THEY SERVE THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO

DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? WHAT I HEAR YOU SAY TO THE BOARD, THERE YOUR ROLES IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING TO UPDATE SOME OF THAT SPECIFICALLY AS IT APPLIES TO YOUR APPOINTED BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO LOOK INTO, I'M SURE THEY CAN LOOK INTO THAT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY, YOU MENTIONED MILITARY DUTY AND MAY BE FORMALIZING THEM MORE IN THE POLICIES AS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE AND WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THAT TO MAKE IT AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD YOU SAYING I UNDERSTAND QUICK SURE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. WE MADE A DECISION IS SUPPORTED KNOW WE ARE COMING BACK I WANT TO BE MINDFUL. I UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURE HE'S UNDER. I THINK WE ALL DO, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME OBLIGATION THAT THEY NEED TO LET US KNOW. I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT ALLOWING THIS GENTLEMAN TO COME BACK BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, NEED TO

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AND BE MINDFUL THERE'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT CONTROLS -- IS NOT DEPLOYED IT'S A VOLUNTARY POSITION ON THE BOARD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE ESPECIALLY FOR THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD. IT CAN BE AN EXCUSED ABSENCE AT THAT TIME IF IT'S UPFRONT, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BE CHANGED OR ALTERED. BUT THAT COULD BE AN EXCUSED ABSENCE UPON THE PRODUCTION OF THE ORDERS THAT I WILL BE ABSENT FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME. SO I'M TOTALLY -- I TOTALLY CONCUR WITH THAT BUT IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD SO THEY CAN PLAN RATHER THAN JUST SIMPLY NOT BE RESPONSIBLE AND PROVIDE INFORMATION AS TO YOUR WHEREABOUTS. WE UNDERSTAND THE STRESS AND STRAIN, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY. AND RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE OF THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD -- IT MAY BE COMPROMISED AT THAT POINT.

>> WELL -- >> THEY ARE MONTHLY BOARD -- THEY MEET MONTHLY. HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE, FROM TIME TO TIME, MEETINGS THAT ARE CANCELED. YOU WILL SEE IN THE PACKET FROM THE, THE FIRST PAGE. YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE SOME MONTHS THAT ARE SKIPPED. AND IT IS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE ITEMS TO HEAR FOR THAT PARTICULAR MONTH THEODORE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE A QUORUM.

>> OR BECAUSE OF A BLACKOUT BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE -- THAT IS WHY SOMETIMES SOME MONTHS ARE LITTLE MORE -- YOU WILL SEE A VACANCY ON ASSORTED METHODS BECAUSE THERE'S A BLACKOUT. PERIOD. THE RECIPIENTS OF THOSE GRANT DOLLARS WILL BE

COMPROMISED AS WELL. >> WILL MY CONCERN, KIND OF FOR OUR BOARDS IS -- THE VOLUNTEERS. AND I APPRECIATE THAT TREMENDOUSLY. BUT IF YOU ARE CONTINUOUSLY MISSING AND YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, YOU ARE WASTING THE TIME OF EVERYBODY ELSE. I LOOK BACK -- I WENT THROUGH CERTAIN PEOPLE, THERE'S ONE THAT MISSED FIVE MEETINGS IN 2018. AND THERE'S MONTH THEY DIDN'T EVEN MEET. THAT'S A LOT OF MISSING OF MEETINGS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S PREPARED AND SHOWS UP. WE COME HERE, WE SHOW UP AND THREE OF US DON'T SHOW UP OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S WASTING ALL OUR OUR TIME.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY DO, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY THIS IN OUR ROLES THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THEY NEED TO TRY TO LET THEM KNOW AND BE THERE OR STEP DOWN. WE NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE AND FUNCTION AND DO THEIR JOBS. BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH REINSTATEMENT BUT

WE NEED CLARITY. >> SURE. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> THANK YOU MR. SHARE. DURING MY BRIEFING I MADE NO. I MAY HAVE MISHEARD US THAT THE BOARD ROLES REQUIRE PRIOR NOTICE OF ABSENCES AND THEY WERE NOT PROVIDED IN THIS INSTANCE. BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD JUST THE OPPOSITE IN DISCUSSION HERE, THAT --

>> I THINK WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE BY THE -- BEING THAT THERE WAS AN EXCUSE FOR IT AND THAT WOULD KIND OF COVER FOR THE THREE IN A ROW.

>> WAS PRIOR NOTICE? >> YES. WITH PRIOR NOTICE

>> OKAY. THAT WAS MY CONCERN. WHEN I APPLY FOR A BOARD OR PARTICIPATE ON A BOARD, I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY ABILITY TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. NO MATTER HOW WELL I WANT TO ARE QUALIFIED.

IF THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES IN MY LIFE -- WHETHER THEY ARE FORESEEABLE OR NOT -- I ESTIMATE TO DETERMINE WHETHER I CAN BE PRODUCTIVE ANY PART OF THAT BOARD AND PRESENT.

>> SURE. >> AND MANY TIMES, AFTER TURNING DOWN SIMPLY BECAUSE I HAVE CONFLICTING COMMITMENTS OR ANTICIPATE THEM. EMERGENCIES HAPPEN. WE GET THAT. THAT'S ACCOUNTED FOR. BUT SOMETIMES I'VE GOT TO REALIZE THINGS CHANGE IN MY LIFE AND I HAVE TO AFTER BEING ON THE BOARD FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AFTER STEP DOWN. THIS LOOKS LIKE A SITUATION WHERE THE GENTLEMAN, WHILE FULLY QUALIFIED TO PARTICIPATE IN CLEARLY WANTS TO, HE MAY NEED TO REEVALUATE HIS ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE PARTICIPATION IN THE NEED FOR HIS ATTENDANCE AND COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME TO OFFER HIS SERVICES WITH THIS BOARD OR ANY OTHER.

SO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND NOT REINSTATING HIM. -- DR. COLON

AT THIS TIME. >> SURE. ANYTHING ELSE,

COMMISSIONER JONES? >> NO, SIR.

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>> WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHN SAYS IS WHY THERE'S A FEDERAL LAW TO PROTECT AGAINST THIS.

ESSENTIALLY, WHAT HE JUST SAID IS BASED ON HIS MILITARY SERVICE, HE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK TO DOING OTHER THINGS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL HERE. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STRICT GUIDELINES FOR NOT DISCRIMINATING FOR MILITARY SERVICE. WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNS HAS OUTLINED SPECIFICALLY GOES TO THE HEART OF THAT, WHAT WE DON'T DO THAT. I WOULD ADVISE NOT TO DO THAT. I WOULD ADVISE NOT TO DO THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO. WE DO WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT IF YOU'RE IN THE MILITARY SERVING IN THE RESERVES, IF YOU'RE DEPLOYED, YOU SHOULD MAYBE LOOK FOR ANOTHER BOARD. I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL WHEN WE SPEAK IN THIS ROLE.

THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST DOING IN THIS REGARD. IN THIS OPEN DISCUSSION. YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT?

>> WELL, I WOULD SAY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER IS REFERRING TO THE FEDERAL USE OF A LAW WHICH PROTECTS REEMPLOYMENT OF VETERANS AND ALLOWANCE FOR MILITARY LEAVE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. WHICH, BY THE WAY, DOES REQUIRE ADVANCE NOTICE UNLESS THAT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT IT'S A SUMMATION.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH MELISSA ON THE PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PERTAIN TO, I THINK, MILITARY AND FIRST RESPONDER PERHAPS OTHER TYPE OF POSITIONS FOR THE BOARD TO

CONSIDER. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> I MADE NO REFERENCE TO THE MAN'S MILITARY SERVICE. I MEAN NO REFERENCE TO HIS EMPLOYMENT.

TO WHICH ATTORNEY MADE REFERENCE TO THAT LAW. I SIMPLY SAID THAT WE NEED TO EVALUATE HER OWN ABILITIES TO PARTICIPATE AS WE SO CHOOSE TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THE MEETINGS AND THE BOARDS THAT WE CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN. THANK YOU, MR. SHARE.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR AND YOUR REFERENCE, IF THIS PERSON WAS NOT IN THE MILITARY WOULD TAKE A DIFFERENT -- YOU WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT THOUGHT IN THAT REGARD?

>> TO THE CHAIR I'M NOT GOING TO ENTERTAIN HYPOTHETICALS. I SAID WHAT I SAID IT WAS

MISCONSTRUED. >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS

MISCONSTRUED, BUT -- >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DID WE -- WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT ALREADY? I CAN'T REMEMBER. WE WILL DO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW IT GENDER ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANY COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

NOT SEEING ANYONE COME FORWARD, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. WHAT WE WILL DO IS I SERVE AS THE LIAISON TO THIS BOARD AND I'M -- I WENT TO THE ROLES AS WELL AND YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME ABSENCES. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE REINSTATE DR. COLON AND THEN HE'S COMING UP FOR HIS TERM WILL EXPIRE IN JUNE 21. SO I THINK AT THAT POINT, THE BOARD CAN OFFER A RECOMMENDATION AND WE CAN BE DULY CONSIDERATE OF THOSE ATTENDANCE RECORDS AS WELL AS THAT POINT.

SO, COMMISSIONER JOHNS, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER THAT HIS TERM ENDS IN JUNE. FOR THE CONSISTENCY OF THE BOARD INTO PREVENT THE NEED TO TRY TO FILL THE POSITION BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I'LL CONCUR WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

>> APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S WHY LIKE TO HAVE A -- I THINK HE WILL BE HERE AND HE WILL BE DUTIFUL TO ATTEND. SO MY MISSION -- MOTION IS TO REINSTATE DR. COLON TO THE HOUSE AND SERVICES ADVISORY COUNCIL TO COMPLETE HIS TERM.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH IN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. IT PASSES 5-0. IF WE CAN LET DR.

COLON KNOW AND THANK YOU FOR HIS SERVICE. WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

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NINE. MR. RYAN? >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL RYAN.

I'M HERE AS COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. GOOD AFTERNOON. I KNOW YOU HAD A LONG MORNING SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK AND PRESENT SOME OPTIONS FOR THE 200 CELEBRATION. AS YOU KNOW, ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS ONE OF TWO COUNTIES THAT WERE FOUNDED IN 1821. AND OUR 200 CELEBRATION IS COMING UP IN ABOUT A YEAR AND 1/2. STAFF RESEARCHED 18 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND SEVEN WERE IN

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THE THIRD WOULD BE A -- A BASIC COMMUNITY CAMPAIGN THAT WILL INVOLVE OUR PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE THE CULTURAL COUNSEL, THE DC, WE COULD DO THAT FOR ONE YEAR -- ONE MONTH TO A FULL YEAR. THE STAFF TIME AND IT WOULD BE MODERATE. A LOT OF THAT, IN OUR VISION WOULD BE SOMEWHAT VIRTUAL. WE COULD DO WEBPAGES, SOME VIDEOS, MAYBE INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY WITH PHOTOS AND ESSAYS, STUFF LIKE THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. OPTION NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE A SIGNATURE EVENT WHICH COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM ONE DAY TO THREE DAYS DEPENDING ON THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. STAFF TIME ON THAT WOULD BE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT. YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN TO FESTIVALS SUCH AS THIS THAT WOULD INCLUDE MUSIC, FOOD, WE WOULD LIKE, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL ASPECT WE LIKE TO BRING IN SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS MAYBE INVOLVE THE USE UP TO FIREWORKS. IF WE -- OR IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO GO THAT LEVEL WE COULD USE GENERAL FUNDS, AND SPONSORSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS. AND THE LAST ONE IS -- COULD BE ANY SORT OF COMBINATION OF THE FIRST -- OR THE SECOND THIRD OR FOURTH THAT WE PRESENTED YOU. WE WANTED TO PRESENT THAT OPTION. SO, THE BOARD -- WHEN THE BOARD ASKED FOR STAFF TO BRING THIS BACK, THERE WAS ALSO DIRECTION TO LOOK AT A COMMUNITY SURVEY. WE COULD DO IS SERVE WAY -- SURVEY. THE STAFF TIME IS SIGNIFICANT EITHER WAY. WE COULD GO INTERNALLY AND DO WHAT I WOULD CALL GAN INFORMAL, NOT STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY.

WE'VE DONE THOSE IN THE PAST. AT THE WILL OF THE BOARD, WE COULD BRING IN A CONSULTANT AND DO ONE THAT IS MORE SCIENTIFIC IF WE WANTED TO. THAT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM ZERO TO ANNOUNCE TO ABOUT $20,000. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE CONCLUDED MY PRESENTATION ON MY LAST SLIDE.

OUR REQUEST TODAY IS TO OBTAIN SOME DIRECTION ON ONE OF THE FIVE OPTIONS THAT WE PRESENTED IN DIRECTION ON THE SURVEY. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU MR. RYAN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RYAN?

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. WHAT IS NOT CONTAINED IN THIS IS SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE TO GO THROUGH, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY OPTION THREE, FOUR OR FIVE, IT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER BRINGING IN AN EXTERNAL CONSULTANT TO HELP PLAN THAT.

AT THAT POINT WERE GETTING INTO SIGNATURE EVENTS THAT ARE AT HIGHER LEVEL THAN WE HAVE STAFFING AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. THE COST ON THAT, DEPENDING WHAT WE DO COULD BE 10,000 TO 30 OR $40,000 DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF THE BOARD. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE RECEIVED SOME WORD FROM ESCAMBIA COUNTY. THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER A BLUE RIBBON OR STEERING COMMITTEE TO HELP PLAN THEIR CELEBRATION. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE LOOKING AT A YEAR-LONG CELEBRATION WILL BEGIN IN JUDEA -- JULY THIS YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE. SO THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION THAT WE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION LATE IN THE PROCESS.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> MR. RYAN I SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THIS SOONER. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE INCLUDED FOR THE COMPLETE COUNT SENSES COMMITTEE FOR ADVERTISING THE CENSUS THROUGH COMMUNITY?

>> THAT HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK HER NUMBERS. I RECALL BEING ABOUT $10,000.

>> EVERYBODY LOVES TO THROW PARTY, BUT I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE SPENDING 10,000 ROUGHLY ON ADVERTISING ACCORDING TO THE CONSENSUS, WHICH IS A ONE IN 10 YEAR EVENT THAT COULD BE 15,000 PER PERSON IN ELIGIBLE FUNDING FOR OUR COUNTY. THE LONG-TERM IMPACT AND BENEFIT. I DO WANT TO BE HYPOCRITICAL, BUT WE ARE ACCUSING OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OR

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

DISCUSSION? >> AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. PLEASE COME FORWARD. WILL MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEEING ANYONE COME FOR WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS ONE. BUT I'LL WAIT TILL EVERYBODY ELSE VOICE IS THEIRS.

I WOULD LIKE OPTION NUMBER TWO, TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. VERY MINIMAL. AND JUST -- AND BASICALLY RECOGNITION. I THINK WE LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR NEXT YEAR, THE MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE AND JUNE 20 AND 21ST. IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE ANNIVERSARY, WHICH IS DEBATABLE. I HEARD IT READ AT LEAST TO SOME FOLKS THAT DEBATE THAT. BUT NONETHELESS, THINK IT WOULD BE NEED TO HAVE THE RECOGNITION AT THAT POINT BUT VERY MINIMAL. JUST FROM THIS PORCH OF THE RECOGNITION THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. ANYBODY

ELSE? COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. JUST AN IDEA THAT I WISH I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF SOONER. HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMMEMORATIVE LOGO, COIN, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DUPLICATED A LOT LIKE WE ARE DOING FOR THE CONSENSUS THAT IT'S INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE CAN COPY, PASTE INTO THEIR WEBSITE AND INCLUDE IN THEIR FESTIVITIES. WHILE WE MAY NOT MAKE IT A SINGLE POINT OF A FESTIVITY, MAKE IT A POINT OF A CONVERSATION OR A LOGO OR REMINDER FOR EVERY FESTIVAL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT THE TDC AND OTHERS WHO ALREADY ARE IN THOSE PROFESSIONAL BUSINESSES ALREADY HAVE PLANS PREPARED AND THEY SAY BY THE WAY, THIS IS OUR ANNIVERSARY.

AND SPREAD THAT WORD-OF-MOUTH IN A WAY THAT'S NOT A SINGLE, DESIGNATED ENTITY BUT KEEP THE PARTY GOING SO TO SPEAK WITH EVERY OPPORTUNITY WORK CAN BE BROUGHT UP SIMILAR TO WHAT WERE DOING WITH THE CENSUS BOARD IN THAT MANNER.

>> THAT WOULD BE -- I CAN SEE YOU COULD HAVE 1821 TO 2021 AND 200 YEARS ABOVE IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO ENHANCE THAT WAS SOME NICE SCRIPT IT COULD BE A GENERAL WAY TO APPROACH

IT. >> COMMISSIONER, WHAT THE TWO OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WOULD ACTUALLY BE OPTION NUMBER FIVE WITH THE COMBINATION OF IT BEING TWO AND THREE. OPTION NUMBER THREE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNS IS SPEAKING OF. WE ENVISION THAT BEING A NEW LOGO MAY BE SOME SORT OF A MISSION STATEMENT, SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO NEXT YEAR THAT WE CAN SHARE. IF WE KEPT THAT SIMPLE I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE TALENTS TO DO THAT IN HOUSE. AT NO EXTRA EXPENSE.

>> FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD LIKE A RECOGNITIONS BONY TO BE SOMETHING TO KICK IT OFF FOR AN ONGOING, SIMPLE CAMPAIGN THAT WE CAN DISTRIBUTE TO OTHERS TO CONTINUE TO CELEBRATE IT.

BECAUSE LET'S LOOK AT IT. WE ARE NOT CELEBRATING THIS. ANY PERSON WHO COMES TO OUR COUNTY, WE WANT THEM TO RECOGNIZE IT AND BE A PART OF THE CELEBRATION. AND SO FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE PLANS RECOGNIZE THE DAY AND CARRY IT FORWARD.

>> ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER JANSKY.

>> KNOW YOU. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> MR. SMITH, I SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT. I SUPPORT IT.

NUMBER TWO. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MR. WALDRON.

>> I LIKE BOTH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE STARTED JUNE -- I SEE TARA HIDING IN THE BACK. BUT IS THERE A WAY -- NOT TO PICK ON YOU WILL MERCEDES -- THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WAS REMISS IN NOT RECOGNIZING MERCEDES. IF YOU HAVE HISTORICAL QUESTIONS,

TARA IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT. >> YOU KNOW, PART OF THE LOW COST, IF WE REDID OUR LOGO COULD WE CULTIVATE THIS IN A SINGING OUT -- SAY IN A LOUD THING FOR THE CELEBRATION OF THE COUNTY 200 YEARS OR LITERALLY WOULD BE ANY OTHER

COST. >> WE CERTAINLY CAN. WE CAN INCORPORATE IN OUR PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR.

>> AND I KNOW THE COST THE RESOURCE BOARD BROUGHT UP LIKE MAYBE HAVING A TOUR OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS ONE AFTERNOON WHICH -- PEOPLE COULD PAY TO GO ON A TOUR OR SEE IF MAYBE SOMEONE CAN DONATE OR SPONSOR.

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>> I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT -- PART OF ME WITH THE HISTORY OF FLORIDA WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY DO IN THE SCHOOLS. BUT WE OF SCHOOL BOARDS INVOLVED. I THINK THAT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA WITH THE NEW LOGO WE COULD START IN JUNE WE COULD HAVE OUR CELEBRATION HERE IN JUNE. WE WOULD FINISH IT UP BY WINTER. I WILL BE ANY COST.

>> WE CAN DO THAT. & >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> I THINK IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROCLAMATION IN HONOR OF THE ARCHAEOLOGY AND HISTORY. SO MUCH OF OUR HISTORY IS KIND OF BEING LOST AND PUSHED ASIDE AND FORGOTTEN. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND FORUS TO SEE THE UNIQUE HISTORY OF FLORIDA. THIS PARTICULAR PART OF FLORIDA -- ALL THE BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS THAT WENT INTO IT. MAYBE WE CAN TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND INVITED FACULTY MEMBER AND DO SOMETHING HERE IN THE COUNTY. THEIR STATE EMPLOYEES THEY CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORY AND ALL THAT. I THINK THEY BE MORE THAN EXCITED ABOUT DOING THAT. I THINK THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA HAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH SAINT AUGUSTINE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE ENGAGEMENT AND FOR CHILDREN TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS. SO AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE TOWARD THAT OPTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, SAFE WAYPOINT. YOU WILL MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY THIS YEAR.

>> ALL RIGHT. WAS THE DIRECTIVE OF THE BOARD. WE NEED TO HARMONIZE THIS. I HEAR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, SO WHAT'S -- LET'S GET SOME CONSENSUS -- CONSENSUS TO GIVE DIRECTION. BECAUSE HE'LL GO ON HERE HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIVE TO GO.

WHAT IS THE -- WAS THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD? MR. WALDRON.

>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHAT YOU SAID ONE DAY CEREMONY HERE WITH A NEW LOGO, IT WILL COMMEMORATE WE COULD SAVE 200 YEARS OF EXCELLENCE OR LEAVE THAT UP TO PEOPLE LIKE MICHAEL RYAN. THAT'S THE JOB THEY DO. AND MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISE IT. WE COULD ADVERTISE THAT WITH THE FUNDS THAT WERE HAVING AT THE LUTHIER. WE CAN SKIP THAT PART

OF. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> ONE THING THAT MR. WALDRON SETTING THE BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO OTHER INSTITUTIONS FLORIDA EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS TO SEE IF THEY'VE LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AND BE PART OF THAT. WE COULD DO THAT IT WILL COST HERE TO THE COUNTY. WE COULD HAVE A SYMPOSIUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR FLAGLER COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY FLUID, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. A LOT OF FLORIDA HISTORY THAT WE CAN HIGHLIGHT.

>> OKAY. EVERYBODY A GREEK GOD, MICHAEL.

>> YES, SIR. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> NOT THIS TIME. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO COME BACK WITH A -- LITTLE MORE FORMAL PRESENTATION THAT HAS THE DETAILS THAT COMBINES EVERYTHING.

>> YES. >> WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS OR

SO. >> WHEN YOU COMBINE THE OPTIONS YOU CAN BUY ME AN OPTION TO THREE AND FOUR AND DO A VERY INEXPENSIVE.

>> I THINK YOU JUST DID THAT. >> NEVER MIND. THANK YOU. WE

CAN DISCUSS IT LATER. >> WE COULD HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH ESCAMBIA. WE COULD INVITE THEM QUICKLY SEE -- SAY THAT ESCAMBIA IS BEHIND US. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF MERCEDES HAS CONFIDENCE TO STARTED JUNE 21, 1821.

>> YOU HAVE TO START OVER, THOUGH.

>> (AWAY FROM MY. >> WAS SIGNED IN PENSACOLA, JULY 21, 1821 BY ANDREW JACKSON. AND THEY WERE THEN ADVERTISING IN THE NEWSPAPERS OF PENSACOLA IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

>> VERY GOOD. THAT COULD BE THE PLAQUE.

>> YES. >> IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE WAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED SHERIFF CINDY CLERK OF COURT AND THINGS LIKE THAT

IN THE SAME ORDINANCE. >> ALL RIGHT.

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>> THANK YOU, MERCEDES, VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT THAT CONCLUDES MR. RYAN. YOU'VE GOT SOME DIRECTIVE THAT'S GOOD. THAT INCLUDES OUR REGULAR AGENDA WILL MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. AND WE WILL START OFF WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I LOVE TO HAVE THESE CONSENSUS ITEMS TO BRING UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING. THE CREEK'S BASEBALL CLUB CONTRIBUTED OVER $1800 FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW WALL OF FAME SIGN AT THE RIVERTOWN BASEBALL COMPLEX, RECOGNIZING BALLPLAYERS WELL CONTINUED ON BEYOND THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL AND THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S GOING THROUGH THE COUNTY PROCESS FOR INSTALLATION. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THEY'RE NOT INSTALLING IT. THERE IS A VETTING PROCESS FOR THESE THINGS. AND I APPRECIATE THEM FOLLOWING THAT PROCESS. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE RECOGNIZE ATHLETES AND OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS THEY DO MOVE ON PASTOR COMMUNITY TO SAY I REMEMBER WHEN. ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS SONS WHO IS NOW PLAYING PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL AND I CAN REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS A PRETEEN AND THEN TALK ABOUT GOING TO THE PROFESSIONALS AND YOU TRY NOT TO ROLL YOUR EYES BECAUSE YOU HEAR FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THE KID REALLY DID HAVE A TALENT. TO SEE HIM LITERALLY PLAYING IN THE PROFESSIONALS -- OBVIOUSLY THE PARENTS ARE OVER THE MOON AND THEY CAN SAY SOMEBODY FROM OUR HOMETOWN NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN SOMETHING THAT HE HAS ENDEAVORED AND A GOOD KID. GOOD ETHICS, MORALS, RESPECTFUL. HASN'T DRANK THE KOOL-AID AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL SO FAR. A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REPRESENTING US IN THE PROFESSIONALS. AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER ITEM -- AND TRY TO REMEMBER -- GO. SPEAKING OF CONGRATULATIONS, I DON'T OR TWO OF THEM. ONE OF THEM WAS MARCH OF TRAIL GIRLS SOCCER TEAM THEY WON THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR 20 YEAR HISTORY. AND IT'S A SPECIAL -- ESPECIALLY MEANINGFUL BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR TEAMMATES WAS IN A NEAR FATAL ACCIDENT. IT HAD MULTIPLE SURGERIES JUST TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AGAIN IS AMBULATORY AND AUCTIONING AND GETTING BACK INTO SCHOOL AND IN THE LAST THREE MINUTES, SHE WAS ABLE TO PLAY. REALLY SPECIAL TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOMEONE WHO ALMOST LOST THEIR LIFE BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THAT AND PARTICIPATE IN THEIR TEAM AND I THINK IT REALLY DID LIFT THE TEAM -- FORGIVE ME, BUT THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT MAKE OUR COUNTY SPECIAL THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

>> I THINK THEY ARE THE ONLY PUBLIC SCHOOL WHEN THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP.

>> I DID NOT KNOW THAT THE REST ARE PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

>> DEDICATED TO PLAY SOCCER. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE GIRLS SOCCER TEAM AND THEIR STATE

CHAMPIONSHIP. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS SATURDAY MORNING AND I BELIEVE IT'S 9 AM THERE'S GOING TO BE OPENING DAY FOR LITTLE LEAGUE AT SAINT AUGUSTINE DOWN AT THE PARK. AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I INVITED ALL OF YOU OUT TO ENJOY AND GO PICK SOMEONE TO DRAW THE FIRST PAGE.

IT TAKES A LOT OF NERVE. I'M TELLING YOU GOT EVERYBODY STAND AROUND YOU JUST MAKE ONLY THROWN IT ABOUT 30 YARDS, BUT IT'S TOUGH. HE GOT EVERYBODY LOOKING AT YOU. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY AT A MAJOR LEAGUE LEVEL IT'S -- I'M PLEASE JUST LET ME THROW. JUST WROTE TO THE KID. JUST THROW TO THE GIG.

>> IT WAS GOOD. IT'S GOING TO GO OUT AND SEAL THE KIDS PARTICIPATE. IT'S AN EXCITING

DAY. >> THE LITTLE BOY -- THE LAST TIME I DID AT THE LAST TIME I WAS INVITED, HE SAYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO THROW IT ALL OR NOTHING OF LIKE ME AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET IT TO THEM. I GOT A LITTLE REBUKE.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> JUST ONE COMMENT. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS, THERE IS A -- THERE'S LEGISLATION THAT HAS BEEN WINDING ITS WAY THROUGH THE SESSION DEALING WITH BASICALLY, IT'S THE PREEMPTION ISSUE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR OCCASION RENTALS. I WAS PLEASED, FRANKLY, LAST WEEK TO SEE A QUOTE FROM OUR GOVERNOR INDICATING THAT HE HAS SOME PRETTY SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT LEGISLATION AND SO, I WAS PLEASED TO SEE HIM WEIGH IN ON THAT BECAUSE SHORT-TERM RENTALS PRESENT A HUGE PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTY, PARTICULARLY WHAT I RECALL -- THE CALLS I GET MOST OF THE CALL COME FROM EITHER VILLANO BEACH OR ANASTASIA ISLAND ALONG THE AREA -- ATLANTIC AVENUE KIND OF A KEY AREA. DOWN NEAR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR IDENTITY OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORS ANYMORE. THEY HAVE A BACHELORETTE PARTY GOING ON THE WEEKEND WITH 20 CARS AND I JUST

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AND AS HE DID. >> THANK YOU COMMISIONER

ANYTHING ELSE? >> THAT'S IT.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

WELL ALSO COME IN THE SPIRIT OF HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETICS I WANT TO COMMEND THE PONTEVEDRA LADY SHARKS. WE HAVE GREAT ATHLETIC TEAMS SHO COUNTY WAS SPACE TO A GREAT FUTURE AND PARENTS WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO RAISE HER CHILDREN AND LETTING THEM ENJOY GOD'S CREATION. A LOT OF TALENT HERE. I ALSO WANT TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME CONSENSUS ON DIRECTING STAFF. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TREE BURNING THAT WAS GOING ON IN MY DISTRICT. SPECIFICALLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS A WAS SOME BURNING -- STATE-CONTROLLED BURNING GOING ON BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO HEADS RESPIRATORY ISSUES ABOUT SOME OF THE BURNING THAT WAS GOING ON. I WAS GOING TO SEE IF WE COULD GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS AND HELP US UNDERSTAND. I THINK THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THE COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO CONTROL OF THE STATE.

OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S -- STATE-CONTROLLED LAND IT'S GONNA BE THE STATE, BUT THERE'S SOME WE NEED CLARIFICATION IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT DEVOL COUNTY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. AS WE ARE GROWING AND DEVELOPING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THIS CONCERN. I WANT TO SEE IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS AND ASKING OUR STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT HELP GIVE US CLARIFICATION.

>> DID WE HAVE A PAPER ROUTE ON THAT ADDRESS THAT? MR. CHAIR, THERE IS A STATEMENT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND IT RUNS OVER THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. SHE CAN SPEAK TO THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ARE NOT COMPLETELY PREEMPTED, BUT TO DO SO WOULD REQUIRE THE CREATION OF A NEW PROGRAM WHICH WOULD DUPLICATE COME IN LARGE PART, THE STATE WORK. BUT I THINK MAYBE JAN CAN SPEAK FURTHER ON THAT. BUT WE CAN DO SOME RESEARCH TO FIND OUT.

>> IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE'S A NEED FOR RESEARCH TO COME UP WITH A DEFINITIVE CASE, THAT

ARE OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> THAT'S OR ASKING FOR. I JUST THINK -- I APPRECIATE THE COUNTY IN OUR STAFF IN BEING SO PROACTIVE IN GETTING OUT THERE.

I'M THINKING IT'S HELPFUL TO DEAL WITH THE SAME SET OF FACTS. THERE'S SOME UNANSWERED QUESTIONS TO SEE IF WE NOTE -- NEED TO GO FURTHER. I THINK IF WE COULD PROVIDE DIRECTION MAYBE TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.

>> I DON'T MIND DOING MORE RESEARCH IF THAT'S WHAT THE CONSENSUS OF THIS BOARD IS.

>> WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. WILL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE STAND AND WHAT OUR PREEMPTION IS AND OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE HAVE A CITIZEN WHO IS ASKED IF WE COULD GIVE SOME DIRECTION OR HAVE OUR STAFF LOOK INTO A PROPOSAL TO RENAME THE FIELD OF DREAMS TO KEITH MARTIN FIELD OF DREAMS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT THIS WOULD GO THROUGH. WHAT I'M ASKING HERE TODAY IS IF OUR BOARD COULD GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF TO LOOK INTO THIS.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY THERE'S A RESOLUTION ON THIS. IT HAS BEEN WAIVED.

WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY IS FOR THE BOARD TO -- TO ALLOW OUR STAFF TO LOOK INTO THIS AND BRING RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A MEMORIAL SERVICE THAT'S COMING UP ON THE 21ST AND THERE'S SOME SENSE OF TRYING TO HONOR MR. GREEN, WHO HAVE -- WAS OBVIOUSLY DONE A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHAT I REQUEST.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> YES. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATION. I'M FOR GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT HE GETS TO THE PARK AND REC SPORT? I THINK WILL BE BEFORE THEN,

>> WE CAN MAKE SURE. >>.

>> GENERALLY WILL MEET THE THURSDAY BEFORE.

>> OKAY. NO PROBLEM. WE CAN GET ON THE PARK AND REX.

>> MAYBE THEY CAN EXPEDITE IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BOARD IS WILLING TO DO THAT WE ASKED HIM TO LOOK AT IT AND GO TO THE PROCESS.

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>> YES, SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I CERTAINLY SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BLOCKER'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GO FORWARD. I THINK THAT KEITH MARTIN PLAYED A PIVOTAL ROLE IN DEVELOPING A NUMBER OF YOUNG ATHLETES. HE WAS VERY ACTIVE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR INDULGENCE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF KIM JONG-UN WOULD CENTER THE ENTIRE MEETING WE TOOK A TWO HOUR ITEM OF THE AGENDA TODAY SO I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO STAY ONE OR TWO MINUTES TO ASIDE LIKE ÃWILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN WITH US ALL DAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SHE WANTED TO HAVE A

CHANCE TO SPEAK -- THANK YOU. >> WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AT LEAST THE PROCESS OF RENAMING, INCLUDING THE PARKS ERECT BOARD.

>> YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. >> WILL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. PLEASE COME FORWARD. GOOD AFTERNOON?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU KIM CANDLELIGHT. I'M -- THIS REQUEST, I'VE MET WITH EACH OF YOU ALL SEPARATELY SO YOU'VE HEARD THE LONG VERSION BUT KEITH MARTIN NOT ONLY FOUND A FIELD OF DREAMS HE COFOUNDED MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS ALONG WITH MYSELF AND WAS PRESIDENT OF GREEKS ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT OF THE BOOSTERS AND PRESENT OF BASEBALL. HE CONTINUALLY DID SO MANY BIG THINGS THROUGH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS. WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN VICTORY WITH HONOR IN OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS WHICH HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

BRINGING IN MIDDLE SCHOOL SUPPORT 10 YEARS AGO. IT HADN'T BEEN DONE THE 20 YEARS PRIOR. WE DID THE HISTORY. ON ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAD MIDDLE SCHOOLS PORTS UP TO THE 90 SAID THAT THEY DISAPPEARED. THE TRADITIONAL MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS. WE HELD ONTO VOLLEYBALL AND BASKETBALL BUT WE LOST FOOTBALL BASKETBALL CHAIR, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND PARK AND REC, AT THAT TIME, UNDER TROY BLEVINS SAID IT'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

WE'VE TRIED FOR 20 YEARS THE COUNTY CAN'T DO IT. BUT UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP, WE DID IT THROUGH VOLUNTEERS AND WE DID IT THROUGH PRIVATE FUNDING AND DID THE IMPOSSIBLE WITH AN IMPOSSIBLE TIMELINE TO BRING ABOUT THIS. AND MY ONLY -- I SUPPORT -- I KNOW I SAT WITH EVERY ALL INCLUDING STAFF. LIKE EMAIL BLASTING EVERYBODY. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M FINE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA IF AT ALL POSSIBLE BECAUSE A MEMORIAL SERVICE ON THE 21ST AND I FEEL LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION IS THERE. CURRENT BOARDS MAY NOT KNOW THE HISTORY OF KEITH MARTIN, WHAT HE DID 10 YEARS AGO. HE WASN'T SOMEONE WHO GLOATED OR THINGS LIKE THAT. HE DID HIS JOB AND MOVED ONTO THE NEXT THING. AND I JUST WOULD -- I WAS CAUTIONED EARLY ON TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS OF COMING TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT COULD DRAG ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS. AND I JUST HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE THE EXTRA WORK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW ABOUT IT. I GUESS THAT SAYS UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME I CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE COME FORWARD.

>> JUST TO STAFF CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON HOW LONG THIS PROCESS TAKES AS FAR AS.

>> I JUST ASKED MS. ANDREWS. I KNOW THAT THE PARKING REC BOARD MEETS ON THE 12TH. THE RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE WOULD COME AFTER THAT DATE. AS YOU ARE AWARE, TYPICALLY BY MONDAY, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE AT THE LAST MINUTE. YOU WILL NEED TO BE BRIEFED ON WHAT THE PARKS ERECT BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION IS GOING INTO

THE -- GOING INTO THE 21ST. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE TIMELINE PICKS UP PRETTY GOOD BUT THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIR.

>> YES. IT WOULD BE GOING INTO THE JUDGMENT PROBABLY THE 17TH BECAUSE AT YOUR MEETING.

>> AT THAT. >> I MEANT THE 15TH NOT THE

21ST. >> WE CAN PLACE IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? >> SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE MORE COUNSEL ITEM. I WILL HAVE -- BE AWAY ON MILITARY DUTY. I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF

MY ORDERS IN ADVANCE? >> AFTER AN EVALUATION OF MY TIME COMMITMENTS. I WILL NOT BE RESPONDING. I WILL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AT THE APPROPRIATE

TIME. >> I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO.

ALL RIGHT. MY COMMENTS FOOD. POTATOES ARE BEING PLANTED OR HAVE BEEN PLANTED -- THEY HAVE

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I ALSO WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT IVIS HAS EXTENDED AN OFFER TO DOCTOR CHRISTIAN CHRISTIANSEN.

AS DIRECTOR OF THE HASTINGS AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION CENTER. HE WILL BE -- I DO NOT KNOW IF HE HAS RECEIVED OR ACCEPTED THE OFFER BUT HE WILL BE TAKING A POSITION TO REPLACE GARY INGRAM WHO IS RETIRING. JUST A COUPLE THINGS IN REGARD TO JUST SOME TOUCHUP STUFF. PUTNAM COUNTY FAIRS MARCH 20 THROUGH THE 28. PUTNAM COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS -- SOME PEOPLE GET CONFUSED AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 4-H AS WELL AS OUR RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PEER. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT EVEN SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT FAREWELL. THEY'VE OPENED IT UP FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT WAS NOT THE CASE THREE YEARS AGO. I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT.

>> THE GIRLS WON THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. POND TRUCK FEATURES GIRLS WERE RUNNERS-UP.

PEDRO MENENDEZ HIGH SCHOOL STATE GIRLS SOCCER AND VARSITY TEAM MADE IT TO THE REGIONALS FOR THE FIRST TIME I KNOW JOE JIM MUNGO'S DAUGHTER, ISABEL IS ON THE TEAM. CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM AS WELL. AS WE'RE SITTING HERE TODAY ONE THING I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS BOARD ESPECIALLY IF YOU NEED A COPY, I'LL BE GLAD TO LOAN IT TO. WHEN HE COMES TO FLORIDA HISTORY I RECOMMEND READING THE BOOK BY PATRICK SMITH. I THINK THAT IF YOU READ THAT ONE ALREADY HVE GOT TO OTHERS THAT ALLEGE YOU BORROW AS WELL THAT I THINK ARE GOOD FLORIDA HISTORY. IT IS A NOVEL BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD READ AND A GOOD -- AT LEAST A GOOD LOOK INTO OUR PAST. WITH THAT BEING SAID WILL MOVE ALONG. COUNTY MINISTRATION?

>> YES, SIR. COMMISSIONERS, SEVERAL QUICK UPDATES FOR YOU. BRIEFLY WE BROUGHT YOU THE HUMAN TRAFFIC AWARENESS SIGNAGE. THERE WERE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT AS FAR AS US, OR THE COUNTY ELIMINATING THOSE SIGNS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND THEN PLACING THEM. SO, THE SIGNS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED AT NO COST. WE CAN LAMINATE AT $60 AND PUT THOSE SIGNS UP AND VOLUNTEERS WOULD HELP TO ELIMINATE THE COST OF THE COUNTY WOULD BE $60 WE COULD FIND $60 IN THE BUDGET TO PROVIDE FOR THAT IF THERE'S CONSENSUS AMONG THE BOARD FOR US TO MOVE THAT IN THAT DIRECTION ONLY THAT DEAL BEFORE HE MOVED TO THE NEXT ISSUE WITH

ANY CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SECONDLY COMMISSIONER WALDRON YOU ASKED ABOUT WHERE WE WERE ON THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND OR PRE-RECESSION. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY JUDGMENT WITH THE TRANSFER THAT WE APPROVED LAST YEAR WE ARE AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE WERE PRERECESSION. SO IT'S BACK TO WORK WAS SO EACH OF YOU KNOW THAT. ADDITIONALLY, THE 5G WORKSHOP, WANTED TO KEEP YOU UPDATED SO THAT DOES NOT GET LOST IN TRANSLATION OR TIME. HE WILL NOT MAKE IT ON THE MARCH MEETING. WE ARE UP TO 10 ITEMS ALREADY. SO IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF HER SHORTER MEETINGS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT. AS SOON AS THERE IS A SHORTER MEETING, WE WILL PLACE THAT ON THE BACKEND AS THIS BOARD GIVE DIRECTION AND CONSENSUS LAST TIME IS THAT YOUR PREFERENCES ON THE END OF A SHORTER AND TIME MEETING SO WE WILL MONITOR THAT WITH YOU FOR AN APPROPRIATE TIME. AND THEN LASTLY, A VERY SHORT UPDATE ON THE CORONAVIRUS. AS YOU ARE AWARE THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS THE LEAD AGENCY. WE MONITOR THAT WITH THEM. THE GOVERNOR IS FULLY INVOLVED AT THIS POINT. AS FAR AS I KNOW FROM LAST NIGHT, THERE IS STILL ONLY TO CONFIRM CASES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BARRING ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT WAS ALLEGED INFORMATION I WAS GIVEN YESTERDAY. THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND WASHER HANDS, WASH THEM WELL, 22ND SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY WITH COLD WATER AND DON'T PANIC. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE TO ANYONE IS LISTENING, THE COUNTY IS ACTIVELY MONITORING NOW WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND EEOC.

>> THANK YOU. >> ATTORNEY.

>> MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, SPEAKING OF THE DIVISION OF EMERGED ME MANAGEMENT FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSE, THEY ARE PROPOSING A RULE CHANGE THAT GOES TO HAZARD MITIGATION AND WE HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL AND WE THANK INTO REGARDS IT WOULD BE NEGATIVE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, PARTICULARLY, IT WOULD INTERFERE WITH THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO SET ITS OWN HAZARD

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>> BEFORE YOU BEGIN EVERYBODY HAVE THIS LETTER? YOU SEE AND READ IT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS TOPIC UP. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE CURRENT RULE IN THE FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

AS MR. MCCORMICK STATED, WHAT THIS RULE CHANGE WOULD DO IS CHANGE IT FROM THE LOCAL MITIGATION STRATEGY WORKING GROUP WHICH WE MEET QUARTERLY. WE SET THOSE PRIORITIES WHEN FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE. THIS RULE CHANGE WOULD TAKE THAT ABILITY TO SET THOSE PRIORITY AND AS HE SAID WE WOULD RECOMMEND THEM RATHER THAN SET THEM AND WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN TALLAHASSEE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE PROJECTS. SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE PRIORITIZED LIST THAT WE WOULD GIVE THEM IN THE WAY THOSE ARE PRIORITIZED IS A TABLE AND THE SIMPLEST WAY TO EXPLAIN WOULD BE IS THE GREATEST GOOD FOR THE GREATEST NUMBER IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO REPRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS. WE GENERALLY PUT A LIST OF PROJECTS -- WE ALWAYS OVER SUBMIT PROJECTS. IF WE HAVE $10 MILLION AVAILABLE IN FUNDING, WE MAY SUBMIT 14 MILLION FUNDING SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PROJECT SOMETIMES -- BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS TO RECEIVE APPROVAL SOMETIMES THEY ONLY GET FUNDED AND MAY BE POLLED, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE FUNDING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THIS COMMUNITY. IN REGARDS TO THE TIER 3 FUNDING, TIER 3 -- THE SIMPLEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT TO YOU IF WE ARE NOT PART OF A DECLARED DISASTER FOR EXAMPLE HURRICANE MICHAEL. WE ARE NOT PART OF THAT DISASTER DECLARATION. WE DID NOT RECEIVE A FUNDING ALLOCATION.

IF THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER FROM THAT ALLOCATION TO THE COUNTY SAID IT WAS ALLOCATED TO, WE ARE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THE FUNDING. WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST GETTING UP FUNDING. WE HAVE FUNDED SEVERAL ATTRACTED SIGNALS AROUND THE COMMUNITY. THE WAY THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE IS FIRST-COME, FIRST-SERVED. YOU GET YOUR APPLICATION FIRST, YOU GET TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE. THEY HAVE NOW REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE AND WE WILL NOT KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA WILL BE FOR BEING CHOSEN FOR ANY TIER 3 FUNDING. SO WE ARE LOKING AT THAT LANGUAGE -- THOSE ARE THE TWO LANGUAGE CHANGES IN THE PROPOSED RULE AND WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THE LANGUAGE IS NOT CHANGED. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 13 AT 3 O'CLOCK. THERE IS A CALL-IN NUMBER AND IF THIS LETTER IS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST PERMISSION TO READ THE LETTER INTO THE RECORD AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AUXILIARY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. WILSON?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHN SKI. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT SUMMARY.

THAT'S HELPFUL. FOR HURRICANE DORIAN AT HARVARD WERE SO LONG WE PREPARED FOR IT WE EVACUATED MANY AREAS, WE REQUESTED FUNDING FOR THE EXPENSES INCURRED PREPARING FOR THAT STORM DOOR REMEMBER CORRECTLY THAT THE REQUEST WAS DENIED?

>> KNOW WE DID RECEIVE THE DECLARATION. WE HAVE RECEIVED THE PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION FOR DORIAN. SO WE WILL RECEIVE A HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT ALLOCATION. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AGAIN. WE SHOULD RECEIVE IT ANYTIME. IT WILL PROBABLY BE A MUCH LOWER AMOUNT BECAUSE THE COST OF THAT STORM WAS LOWER AND THE ALLOCATION WAS BASED UPON PUBLIC AND INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE AND SBA LOANS.

>> THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. IT WAS A LOWER AMOUNT. NOT DENIED BUT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? >> WE WILL GO FROM HERE TO -- WILLITS -- I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST TAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS LETTER AND PEOPLE TO PERMISSION TO READ INTO THE RECORD ON THE 13TH.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALTON. WE WILL

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HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEEING ANYONE COMING FORWARD CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNATURE BY SAYING AYE.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> VERY BRIEFLY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU MS. WILSON. VERY BRIEFLY, THE COUNTY HAD DIRECTED OUR OFFICE TO WORK ON A NO WAKE ORDINANCE FOR A PORTION OF THE -- AND MS. LEVY WILL GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE TO

THAT. >> YES. THE BOARD DIRECTED US TO LOOK INTO DOING A MINIMUM WAKE ORDINANCE FOR THE AREA AROUND THE MATANZAS INLET.

THAT IS IN PROGRESS. I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE HAD DISCUSSED BRING IT BACK AT THE MARCH 17. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS THOROUGHLY VETTED AND THAT WE DO GET SUFFICIENT PUBLIC OUTREACH IN ADVANCE. I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY BRING THAT BACK AT THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS APRIL 7. BUT I WANTED TO UPDATE THE BOARD.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> JUST ONE OTHER UPDATE. WE HAD THE HARBOR SAFETY MEETING YESTERDAY AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED. THE FEDERAL -- THE PARK SYSTEM SAID THAT THEY WOULD PAY FOR THE MOVING OF THE SIGNS ONCE WE DESIGNATED AREA. THEY WOULD HELP DO THAT. YOU KNOW, HAVE HAD SOME PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS. AND I BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FWC WAS NOT THERE.

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS KIND OF FINE WITH IT. WE'VE HAD REQUESTS TO MAKE IT FROM LIKE NINE TOAND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FWC WAS NOT THERE. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS KIND OF FINE WITH IT. WE'VE HAD REQUESTS TO MAKE IT FROM LIKE 9 TO 11 LUCKILY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. WHAT ARE HAVING A LOT IS SEEING WHO'S GOING IN AND OUT, AND GRASS IS BECOMING A BIG -- A BIG PARTY AREA. AND ACTUALLY, I GUESS THERE IS GOING TO BE A SKIP DAY. THEY EXPECT PEOPLE DO SKIP WORK ON IT FRIDAY BUT THAT WOULD BE IN CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER THAT WE ARE PREPARING FOR THAT, TOO. ON THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. BUT YOU SHOULD SEE THE PICTURES. IT'S THOUSANDS. THEY GO THERE FOR ONE DAY OR THREE DAYS.

ENTER THERE ALL WEEKEND. BUT I'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. BUT I KNOW WE HAD -- SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED GETTING MORE PUBLIC INTEREST.

>> ALL RIGHT. APRIL 7. VERY GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> SHE'S WARMED UP THE MICROPHONE SHE'S GOING TO GIVE A STATUS UPDATE ON THE

INSURANCE COMMITTEE RULES. >> AT THE FEBRUARY INSURANCE COMMITTEE, I PREVENTED -- PRESENTED BYLAWS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COMMISSIONER TO BE A LIAISON TO THE COMMITTEE. IN ADDITION, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE PRESENTED IN THE BYLAWS JUST UPDATING SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS. IN THE COMMITTEE HAD PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK AS TO THOSE UPDATES. SO I WILL BE BRINGING THOSE BYLAWS BACK TO THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE AT THEIR MARCH MEETING AND I ANTICIPATE BRINGING THOSE TO THE BOARD FOR

THE BOARD'S APPROVAL IN APRIL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE?

>> MR. CHAIR, TODAY IS NOT THE LAST MEETING BUT THE NEXT BCC MEETING WILL BE HIS LAST. SO, IF THERE ANY PARTICULAR CHORES, TO DO LIST, WHATEVER TYPE OF THING THIS POOR WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON, TO MR. POWELL BEFORE HE LEAVES (LAUGHING) THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE HIS LAST MEETING. SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY

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