[Call to Order by Chair] [00:00:09] >> GOOD MORNING. WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. ME FOR OUR INVOCATION BY RABBI LEVI VOCAL. LET ME INVITE BLAIR CRAIG TO COME DOWN FOR OUR PLEDGE RIGHT AFTER. THANK YOU. >> DEAR GOD MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE. WE THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF LIFE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE OF SERVICE TO SOCIETY. THE GREAT BLESSING WHICH IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OUR BEAUTIFUL STATE OF FLORIDA. PLEASE STRENGTHEN AND DIVIDE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITIZENS, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MILITARY WITH GOOD HEALTH, SUCCESS AND PROSPERITY. MERCIFUL FATHER PLEASE HELP US TO BE WORTHY OF YOUR BLESSING AND FULFILL THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH YOU CREATED US AND LIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAWS THAT YOU GAVE MANKIND AT THE DAWN OF TIME. TO RECOGNIZE THAT DIVINE SPARK WITHIN EACH HUMAN BEING. TEACH US TO FIND THE PROPER BALANCE BETWEEN HAS GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC WITHOUT TRAMPLING THE INDIVIDUAL. MAINTAINING PEACE AND HARMONY IN OUR MIDST. SO THAT WE MAY BE IN THE WORD OF PROPHET ISAIAH THE BRANCH OF YOUR PLANTING, WORK OF YOUR HANDS WHICH YOU TAKE PRIDE. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE FACE THE FLAG AND JOIN ME IN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU MAYBE SEATED. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD [Proclamation Recognizing November 8, 2026, as St. Johns County-Israel Friendship Day ] OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA. WHEREAS THE UNITED STATES BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL IS BASED ON THE TWIN PILLARS OF SHARD VALUE AND INTEREST. ISRAEL WAS FOUNDED IN 1948 AS A NATIONAL HOME FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE. IT IS BELIEVED BY SOME THAT JEWS WERE AMONG THE EARLIER SETTLERS OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. WHEREAS, THE FIRST ORGANIZED JEWISH CONGREGATION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS FOUNDED IN 1898 AND CONGREGATION OF REFORMS CONTINUE TO FLOURISH. WHEREAS, THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA VALUE THE MANY WAYS OUR JEWISH NEIGHBORS HAVE ENRICHED THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY OF OUR COUNTY'S TAPESTRY. THEY STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND PROMOTING FREEDOM, HUMAN RIGHTS AND SECURITY. THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA RECOGNIZE NOVEMBER 8, 2026 AS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY ISRAEL FRIENDSHIP DAY. PASS AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THIS THIRD DAY OF NOVEMBER 2026. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF YOU'RE AT THE PROCLAMATION SIGNING THIS MORNING AT THE CEREMONY, WE INVITE YOU TO COME UP AN STAND WITH US WHILE WE TAKE THIS PICTURE. AS THE OUTGOING CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF COMMON COMMISSIONERS, THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW HONORS GREATER THAN BEING ABLE TO STAND HERE TODAY WITH OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE JEWISH NATION AND NATION OF ISRAEL. I LIKE TO PASS IT OVER. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HERE TODAY AND OUR CLERK BRANDON PATTY, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. [00:05:02] ST. JOHNS COUNTY FRIENDSHIP DAY IS MUCH MORE THAN A PROCLAMATION. IT STANDS FOR WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY, COMING TOGETHER WITH FRIENDSHIP AND LOVE, LOVE FOR EACH OTHER, LOVE FOR DIVERSITY OF MANY PEOPLE WE LIVE HERE THIS ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE TORAH TELL US GOD CREATED OF GOD. THAT'S EVERY HUMAN BEING. NOT DEPENDING ON YOUR CULTURE, WHERE YOU FROM AND WHAT YOU BELIEFS ARE. WE ALL CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. WHEN WE RECOGNIZE THAT RECOGNIZING THEY ARE GODLINESS. GOD THE WAY GOD INTENDED. THEN WE CAN HAVE TRUE UNITY. LOOK PASSED ALL THE DIFFERENCES AND DIVISION. IT IS FRIENDSHIP DAY REPRESENTS MORE THAN JUST A PROCLAMATION. IT REPRESENTS WHO WE ARE, WHO WE ARE AS A PEOPLE. WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY. WHO WE ARE AS ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY. THANK YOU TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION FOR RECOGNIZING ISRAEL FRIENDSHIP DAY. I'M RABBI. I'M HONORED TO REPRESENT TEMPLE BET YOM AND THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. FOR JEWS SEZZ MORE THAN A COUNTRY ON A MAP. IT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY, OUR IDENTITY AND OUR COLLECTIVE STORY. IT IS A PLACE OF EXTRAORDINARY SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE. IT'S ALSO A PLACE OF VERY PERSONAL MEANING FOR JEWISH FAMILIES AROUND THE WORLD. FOR ME, THAT CONNECTION IS DEEPLY PERSONAL. MY DAD ESCAPED AUSTRIA IN 1938 AS THE NAZIS WERE RISING TO POWER. EVENTUALLY, HE MADE HIS WAY TO WHAT WAS THEN BRITISH MANDATE PALESTINE. MY MOTHER WAS A REFUGEE FROM AUSTRIA AND HAD SHARED ESCAPE TO LONDON AND THEN SHE CAME TO BROOKLYN. ISRAEL IS WOVEN INTO MY FAMILY STORY IN VERY REAL WAY. PERSONALLIER I BEEN FORTUNATE TO VISIT ISRAEL THREE TIMES. ONE OF THE MOST MEANINGFUL EXPERIENCES FOR CELEBRATING MY SON'S BAH MITZVAH. ISRAEL IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT AMERICAN ALLY AND A DEMOCRACY AND A REGION WHERE DEMOCRATIC FREEDOMS CANNOT BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED. IT PROVIDES LEGAL PROTECTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR WOMEN AND LGBTQ PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT EVEN EQUALLY AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE REGION. THESE ARE VALUES THAT AMERICANS UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IMPORTANT. APPRECIATING ISRAEL, LOVING ISRAEL. CARING ABOUT ITS SECURITY AND CELEBRATING ITS PREPARE WITH THE U.S. DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO AGREE WITH EVERY SINGLE DECISION OF EVERY ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. WEB HOLD MORE THAN ONE TRUTH IN OUR HEARTS. TODAY, IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE FRIENDSHIP. ONE ROOTED IN SHARED HISTORY, SHARED DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND RELATIONSHIP THAT MATTERS DEEPLY TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT CONNECTION AND FOR MAKING SPACE FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO BE PART OF THIS COUNTY'S RICH AND DIVERSE FABRIC. MAY THERE BE PEACE, SECURITY AND DIGNITY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND OF THE REGION. THANK YOU. [Proclamation Recognizing November 11, 2026, as Veterans Day] >> THIS TIME IF MR. DUDLEY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE VETERAN COUNCIL HERE. PLEASE JOIN ME HERE ON THE FLOOR. WHILE THEY ARE COMING UP, MS. KELLER READ THE PROCLAMATION IN THE RECORD. >> A PROCLAMATION ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO HONOR AMERICA'S VETERANS FOR THEIR PATRIOTISM, LOVE OF COUNTRY, COMMITMENT TO FREEDOM AND WILLINNESS TO SERVE AND SACRIFICE FOR THE COMMON GOOD. WHEREAS, FLORIDA IS HOME TO [00:10:02] APPROXIMATELY 1.4 MILLION VETERANS AND REPRESENTS THE SECOND LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF VETERANS IN THE NATION. WHEREAS, ON THIS DAY, LET US REMEMBER THE SACRIFICES OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO STEPPED FORWARD WHEN AMERICA NEEDED THEM. ALL THOSE WHO FOUGHT SO VIEW LENT -- IN THE SEAS AND AIR AND FOREIGN SHORES TO PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE OF FREEDOM. WHEREAS, WE RESOLVE THAT THEIR SACRIFICES WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED BY GRATEFUL NATION. LET US TASK OUR OURSELVES TO PROMOTION OF PEACE TO THEIR EFFORTS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN VAIN. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COMMON COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 11TH, 2026 BE KNOWN AS VETERANS DAY. WITH RESPECT FOR AND THE RECOGNITION OF CONTRIBUTION OUR SERVICE MEN AWOMEN MADE TO THE CAUSE OF PEACE AND FREEDOM AROUND THE WORLD. PASS AND ADOPTED ABOUT IT'S BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. THIRD DAY OF NOVEMBER 2026. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. KELLER. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. APPLAUD THAT. THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE AND ARE CURRENTLY STANDING POST HERE DOMESTICALLY AND SOME OF THE FARTHEST CORNERS OF THIS GLOBE. IN THE EFFORT TO KEEP US FREE. IF YOU'RE CIVILIAN LIKE I AM, WE OWE DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR PEACEFUL DAY, FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE, FOR EVERY OUNCE OF FREEDOM THAT WE HAVE COMES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SACRIFICE AND SERVICE THAT IS MADE BY OUR ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY AND OUR VETERANS. IT'S EVERYDAY BECOMES VETERANS DAY IF YOU'RE A CIVILIAN. BECAUSE THE DEEP DEBT GRATITUDE WE OWE TO OUR VETERANS. I THINK OF NOBODY WHETHER THEY LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY WHO DEDICATED THEIR LIVE TO HONORING OUR VETERANS AND SEEING TO IT THAT THEY RECEIVE THE HONOR THAT THEY DESERVE LIKE THIS MAN STANDING TO MY LEFT. BILL DUDLEY. COLONEL DUDLEY, I APPRECIATE IF YOU SAY A FEW WORDS. IT'S MY HONOR TO BESTOW UPON YOU THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING VETERANS DAY. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. ON BEHALF OF THE 23,000 VETERANS WHO LIVE HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY CALLED THIS COUNTY THEIR HOME, I ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION ON THEIR BEHALF. OVER THE YEARS, THE VETERANS COUNCIL OF THIS COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING A LOT OF THINGS TO THE COUNTY HERE FOR OUR VETERANS. WE STARTED WITH THE SOME YEARS AGO WITH THE STATE COUNTY NURSING HOME THAT WE HAVE OUT ON STATE ROAD 16. WE WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN LATER IN BRINGING TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY THE V.A. HEALTHCARE CLINIC THAT HAS PROVIDED A PERMANENT HOME HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR VETERANS FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE. MOST RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE A FACILITATE OVER ON ISLAND FOR HOMELESS VETERANS AND VETERANS VILLAGE. THAT HAS BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL AS WELL. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PROGRAM I THINK IN ONE OF THE ONES THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART IS THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT THAT WE STOOD UP ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IN THIS CIRCUIT SEVEN DISTRICT. THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GRADUATING 151 VETERANS FROM THE VETERANS TREATMENT CORPS SINCE ITS INCEPTION. WE HAVE ANOTHER 47 THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE PIPELINE NOW IN THE PROGRAM. IT'S A DIVERSION THAT HELPS VETERANS WHO HAVE BEEN INCARCERATED FOR ONE REASON OR THE OTHER. MOST ALL OF THESE VETERANS ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THESE VETERANS THAT ARE IN THIS PROGRAM ARE SUFFERING FROM SOME FORM OF PTSD. THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN A GREAT BENEFIT TO THEM. IT IS BROUGHT VETERANS BACK TOGETHER WITH THEIR FAMILIES. IT'S REEMPLOYED SO MANY OF THESE VETERANS. IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM STANDPOINT OF THE RECIDIVISM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE BEING APPROXIMATELY 71% AND OUR PROGRAM HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS LESS THAN 17%. THAT'S QUITE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING [00:15:01] IN THIS PROGRAM TO RESTORE VETERANS BACK TO USEFUL PURPOSE. WITH THAT, I LIKE TO -- ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO WHEN WE GRADUATE A VETERAN OUT OF THE PROGRAM IS THE JUDGE PRESENTS THEM A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION AND WE GIVE THEM A CHALLENGE. THIS MORNING, WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS PRESENT EACH OF OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION WITH ONE OF THE COINS THAT WE PRESENT TO ALL OF THE VETERANS WHEN THEY GRADUATE OUT OF THE PROGRAM. TO YOU. GET LINED UP BACK HERE. WE'LL GO DOWN THE LINE. [Proclamation Recognizing November as Adoption Month] >> GOOD MORNING. SO NICE TO SEE EVERYONE. AT THIS TIME I LIKE TO INVITE JAN KEENING. >> A PROCLAMATION BY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A LONG STANDING TRADITION OF LOCAL CITIZENS OPENING THEIR HEARTS AND HOMES TO CHILDREN IN NEED OF A TEMP ROHR OR PERMANENT HOME. WHEREAS, THE YOUTH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARE PRECIOUS TO EACH OF US AND REPRESENT OUR GREATEST HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. ALL CHILDREN DESERVE A NURTURING, SAFE AND STABLE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY CAN GROW UP TO ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF HEALTHY AND PRODUCTIVE LIFE. WHEREAS, FINDING FOREVER HOMES FOR CHILDREN IN OUT OF HOME CARE IS AN OBJECTIVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WORKS TOWARDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WHEREAS, AS WE GATHER TOGETHER AS A FAMILY, COMMUNITY, STATE AND NATION TO CELEBRATE AND GIVE THANKS FOR OUR MANY BLESSINGS. IT IS OUR HOME THAT ALL CHILDREN AWAITING ADOPTION WILL FIND A PERMANENT AND LOVING FAMILY. THEREFORE, IT IS FITTING TO PROMOTE THE GOALS OF THIS OBSERVANCE DURING THIS SPECIAL SEASON WHICH GIVE US SO MANY REASONS TO BE GRATEFUL. THEREFORE, BE IT RECLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA. NOVEMBER 2026 BE DESIGNATED AS ADOPTION MONTH. RECOGNIZING THE CONTRIBUTION OF ADOPTING PARENTS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR CHILDREN. PASS AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS THIRD DAY OF NOVEMBER 2026. >> THIS PROCLAMATION IS JUST SO SPECIAL TO ME. AS AN ADOPTEE, THERE ISN'T A DAY THAT GOES BY THAT I DON'T THINK HOW DIFFERENT MY LIFE WOULD HAVE [00:20:04] BEEN IF I HAD NOT BEEN ADOPTED. IT'S SO AMAZING FOR PEOPLE THAT DO ADOPT AND FOR THE ADOPTEES. I WANT TO SHARE, EVEN THOUGH, WE DIDN'T GROW PHYSICALLY UNDER OUR MOTHER'S HEART, WE CERTAINLY GREW IN IT. GOD BLESS EVERYONE UP HERE FOR ALL THEY DO AND I COULDN'T BE MORE HONORED. I FEEL HONORED TO RECEIVE THIS. HONESTLY I FEEL LIKE MY HUSBAND AND I AREN'T ANYBODY SPECIAL. WE HAVE ROOM IN OUR HOUSE TO TAKE IN CHILDREN, FOSTER CARE. WHEN WE MOVED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE BECAME AWARE OF THE NEED TO FOSTER. WE REALLY BELIEVED THAT EVERY CHILD DESERVES A LOVING AND SAFE PLACE TO CALL THEIR HOME WHEN THEY REMOVED FROM THE ONLY HOME THAT THEY KNOW. OUR GOAL IN FOSTERING WAS ALWAYS TO JUST TAKE IN A CHILD AND GIVE THEM A SAFE AND LOVING PLACE TO BE UNTIL THEIR PARENTS CAN GET THEM BACK. WE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR FOSTERING JOURNEY WHICH WAS IN 2020 THAT WE WANTED TO FOSTER. WE NEVER WANTED TO ADOPT. WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON THAT. GIVE KIDS A GOOD LOVING PLACE UNTIL THEY CAN GO BACK TO THEIR PARENT. IN MARCH 2023, WE GOT A CALL TO TAKE IN 3-YEAR-OLD. SAME GOALS. THAT CASE ENDED IN THE PARENT RIGHTS BEING TERMINATED, UNFORTUNATELY. OBVIOUSLY, BY THAT TIME, WE LOVE HER. SHE BECAME PART OF OUR FAMILY. OUR HOME WAS WHERE SHE FELT SAFE. WE WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF ISSUES WITH HER A LOT OF THINGS THAT SHE STRUGGLED WITH PRIOR TO COMING TO HER HOME. IT WAS JUST NATURAL THAT WE FILE TO ADOPT HER AND WE HIT SOME BUMPS ALONG THE WAY. WE FOUGHT SO HARD FOR HER. IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR 2026, WE WERE FINALLY ABLE TO OFFICIALLY ADOPT HER. EVEN THOUGH SHE LIVED WITH US FOR COUPLE OF YEARS, SHE'S BEEN PART OF OUR FAMILY. WE MADE IT OFFICIAL IN FEBRUARY. IT'S JUST KIND OF CRAZY HOW THAT ONE GUEST CAN CHANGE A CHILD'S LIFE. WE NEVER SAW OURSELVES HERE AND ADOPTING. I'M SO GLAD THAT WE ARE. MY MESSAGE TO EVERYBODY IS IF YOU'RE EVER THOUGHT OF ADOPTING OR CONSIDER FOSTERING OR ADOPTING, DON'T LET THE THOUGHTS I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS MIGHT GO STOP YOU. WE DEFINITELY DIDN'T HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD HANDLE EVERYTHING. THE AMAZING AGENCY BEHIND ME IS SUPER SUPPORTIVE. WE HAD GREAT PEOPLE BEHIND US. YOU NEVER KNOW HOW ONE YES CAN CHANGE A CHILD'S LIFE AND YOUR LIFE FOREVER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [Recognition of Commissioner Arnold for her years of service ] COMMISSIONER ARNOLD TO THE FLOOR SO WE CAN PUBLICLY EMBARRASS YOU. COME ON DOWN. [00:25:39] ♪♪ ♪♪ >> OKAY. WHEN EVERY COMMISSIONER TAKES OATH OF OFFICE THEY HOPE THEY CAN LEAVE THEIR COMMUNITY THE BETTER THEY FOUND IT. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESUME AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. SHE'S LEFT THIS COMMUNITY BETTER THAN SHE FOUND IT. NOT ONLY DID SHE PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN BRINGING HOME NEARLY $150 MILLION IN APPROPRIATIONS FROM WASHINGTON D.C. AND TALLAHASSEE FOR ROADS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE DRAINAGE AND OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICES, SHE FOUGHT FOR AND WAS ABLE TO MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. SHE PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN INCREASING THE PAY OF OUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES AND FIREFIGHTERS. SHE IS ABLE TO BUILD SIDEWALKS WHEN THE COMMUNITY CALLED FOR IT. SHE WAS ABLE TO TEAR UP SIDEWALKS TO MAKE BETTER SIDEWALKS WHEN THE COMMUNITY CALLED FOR IT. THERE'S REALLY NO CORNER OF THE COUNTY THAT COMMISSIONER ARNOLD HASN'T HAD A HAND IN IMPROVING DURING HER FIVE YEARS ON THIS BOARD. WE ARE ALL GOING TO MISS HER. IT IS A COMFORT TO ME AND MANY OTHERS THAT SARAH, THE WORK THAT YOU DID WILL BENEFIT MANY GENERATIONS TO COME. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE JOB WELL DONE. >> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. INCIDENT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR GREAT GOVERNOR FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY AND THANK YOU TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR GIVING ME ADDITIONAL FOUR YEARS. OUT BEEN THE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE OF A LIFETIME. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. [Acceptance of Proclamations] IF I COULD, I CAN GET A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS. >> I MAKE THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND AND ALL AGREE BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [Deletions to Consent Agenda] >> DO WE HAVE ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? MAY START WITH YOU COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. PLEASE. >> NUMBER 18, WE'LL TAKE 18 AND MAGICALLY TURN INTO 16 ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> I HAVE KNOWN. >> I HAVE KNOWN. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ONLY. >> AT THIS TIME, WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. [Approval of Consent Agenda] >> OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED? >> YES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN AGREEMENT SAY AYE. >> AYE. [00:30:04] >> OPPOSED. OKAY THAT PASSES. [Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda] WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. I WILL GO BACK TO FOR ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> I HAVE NONE. TWO AND THREE HAVE WITHDRAWN. THEIR APPLICATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEYS WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE BOARD YES. ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3 FROM YOUR REGULAR AGENDA HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN. >> WE'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 3 HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN. ANYTHING ELSE? I HAVE NO CHANGES NOW. [Approval of Regular Agenda ] LET'S SEE, CAN I GET AN APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR AGENDA MOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> AS AMENDED. I'LL SECOND THAT AS AMENDED. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. [Public Comment] WE HAVE AN AGENDA. WE WILL GO STRAIGHT TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY. >> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT SCHEDULED FOR ACTION ON TODAY'S AGENDA. WHEN ADDRESSING THE BOARD PLEASE COME TO ONE OF THE THREE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTE TO SPEAK. WE ASK THAT YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY IN THE MICROPHONE. SPEAKERS WILL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF CIVILITY AND DECORUM. ANY SPEAKER THAT LIKE TO PRESENT MATERIALS PLEASE USE THE CENTER PODIUM. A LAPTOP WILL BE SET UP FOR ANY USB PRESENTATION. AFTER PRESENTING, PROVIDELY MATERIALS TO THE STAFF OR CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME -- I LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AT OUR LAST MEETING I WAS OUR LAST GROUPS FINAL SPEAKER. TODAY I'M THE FIRST. WE ARE THE SAME GROUP YOU HEARD BEFORE. TODAY FOUR NEW VOICES JOINED ME REPRESENTING MUCH LARGER COMMUNITY OF RESIDENTS, VOLUNTEERS, RESCUE AND ABLE ADVOCATES THROUGHOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YOU WILL KEEP HEARING FROM US. WE'RE COMMITTED TO SHOWING UP NOT TO CREATE CONFLICT BUT CREATE CHANGE FOR ANIMALS. OUR PROTEST SEVERAL LAYERS REQUESTING PUBLIC RECORDS AND COUNTY POLICIES AND OUTCOMES, LISTENING TO NEIGHBOR AND RAISING AWARENESS. HERE WE CHOOSE RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE, FIVE SPEAKERS AT A TIME BECAUSE WE WANT ANSWERS NOT ARGUMENTS. WE ARE NOT HERE TO FIGHT OR POINT FINGERS. ANIMAL CONTROL HAS A INCREDIBLE DIFFICULT JOB, STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS FACE HEARTBREAKING SITUATION AS THEY MUST OPERATE UNDER THE ORDINANCES AND POLICIES OUR COUNTY HAS ESTABLISHED. THAT IS PRECISELY WHY WE MUST EXAMINE THOSE RULES. NOT BLAME THE PEOPLE WORKING UNDER THEM. IF CURRENT POLICIES CONTRIBUTE TO TROUBLING OUTCOMES, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THEM. OUR GOAL IS BETTER POLICY, MEANINGFUL ACCOUNTABILITY AND MORE HUMANE OUTCOMES FOR CATS AND DOGS. WHEN RESIDENTS CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN PROCEDURES FEEL HIDDEN AND WHEN PEOPLE FEAR QUESTIONING A DECISION, WE MUST ASK, HOW CAN OUR COMMUNITY TRUST A PROCESS IT CANNOT SEE? CLAY AND DUVAL COUNTIES HAVE FOSTER, RESCUE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS WORTH EXAMINING. WE DON'T NEED TO REINVERT. REINVENT. ONE, MEANINGFUL OVERSIGHT OF POLICY AND PROCEDURES. TWO, A THOROUGH REVIEW OF CURRENT PRACTICES, THREE TO CREATE A FOSTER PROGRAM AND IMPROVE RESCUE PARTNERSHIPS. FOUR, A REVIEW OF COUNTY ORDINANCES AND FUNDING AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITY ANIMALS. WE ARE THE SAME GROUP. MORE VOICES AND THE SAME MISSION. AS OF FRIDAY MORNING, OUR ST. JOHNS SHELTER IS AT CAPACITY WITH DOG AND CATS. THERE'S NO BIG COUNTY ADOPTION EVENT. NOTHING PLANNED. JUST THE PANICKED VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE TASKED WITH TRYING TO SAVE THEM. WE DON'T FEEL THAT'S FAIR. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DOUG BRACKET. I'M A ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT. WHEN AN ANIMAL ENTERS COUNTY CARE, WE EXPECT HUMANE TREATMENT AND A FAIR CHANCE. IMAGINE A FAMILY SEARCHING FOR THEIR MISSING DOG, A NEIGHBOR FINDS IT AND BRINGS IT TO ANIMAL CONTROL BELIEVING THE SHELTER IS THE SAFEST PLACE WHERE SOMEONE BRINGS A KITTEN TRUSTING THEY WILL BE PROTECTED. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE DOORS CLOSE? RESIDENTS HAVE SHARED TROUBLING ACCOUNTS ANIMALS REPORTEDLY EUTHANIZED SOON AFTER INTAKE. CONCERNS ABOUT KENNEL CONDITIONS AND MEDICAL CARE AND CERTAINLY [00:35:02] ABOUT AFTER HOURS PROCEDURES. THESE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS. NOT PROVEN FINDINGS. THAT IS PRECISELY WHY WE NEED RECORDS, TRANSPARENCY AND INDEPENDENT REVIEW. WHO EXAMINES THE SICK DOG OVERNIGHT? IS VETERINARY CARE AVAILABLE FOR A ANIMAL IN PAIN? WHO DECIDES TREATMENT OR RESCUE IS NO LONGER AN OPTION? OUR ANIMALS FED, CLEANED AND MONITORED AFTER PUBLIC HOURS. WHEN SOMEONE REPORTS A NUANCE CAT, DO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD HAPPEN AFTER PICK-UP? THEY MIGHT WANT THE CAT REMOVED BUT NOT KILLED. A COMPLAINT SHOULD NOT AUTOMATICALLY LEAD TO EUTHANASIA. WE HEAR FROM RESCUE VOLUNTEERS WHO FEAR SPEAKING UP COULD JEOPARDIZE THEIR ABILITY TO HELP ANIMALS. TRUST NEEDS REBUILDING. THAT IS WHY WE ASK FOR A COMMISSIONER SUPPORTED OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WITH MEANINGFUL COOPERATION FROM COUNTY DEPARTMENTS TO REVIEW RECORDS AND PROCEDURES, OBSERVE OPERATIONS WITH SAFEGUARDS, HEAR CONCERNS AND REPORT FINDINGS PUBLICLY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUNISHMENT OR TAKING SIDES. IT IS ABOUT ENSURING EVERY LOST DOG FRIGHTENED CAT AND INJURED ANIMAL RECEIVES THE CARE AND CONSIDERATION IT DESERVES. WE ARE ASKING FOR ANSWERS, OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY CAN TRUST. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. ANY NAME IS STEVEN COBB. ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT. ACCORDING TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S PUBLISHED REPORTS FOR JANUARY THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF 2026, ANIMAL CONTROL RECORDED 534 CAT EUTHANASIA OUTCOMES AND 51 DOG EUTHANASIA OUTCOMES. THOSE NUMBER BEG FOR ATTENTION. TOTALS CANNOT TELL US WHY EACH ANIMAL DIE WHETHER A DOG WAS CRITICALLY ILL OR WHETHER A KITTEN HAD A FOSTER OR RESCUE OPTION. THAT IS WHY OUR GROUP REQUESTED THE UNDERLYING RECORDS UNDER FLORIDA'S PUBLIC RECORDS LAW. WE PAID $360 PRODUCTION CHARGE AND WE ARE PREPARED TO RAISE MORE FUNDS TO OBTAIN ANSWERS THE PUBLIC DESERVES. THE COUNTY'S MONTHLY REPORTS ALSO SHOW ZERO YEAR TO DATE FIELD RELEASE OR TNR OUTCOMES. DOES THAT MEAN NO COMMUNITY CAT WORK OCCURRED OR WAS IT RECORDED ELSEWHERE? WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. WE ASK YOU TO EXAMINE ORDINANCE 2017-36 AND EXPLAIN HOW NUANCE COMPLAINTS, CAT CONFINEMENT, IMPOUNDMENT AND HUMANE RETURN OPTIONS WORKING PRACTICE. WE REQUEST A THOROUGH REVIEW OF INTAKE, HOLDING PERIODS, VETERINARIAN CARE, RESCUE TRANSFERS, FOSTERING, TNR AND EUTHANASIA DECISIONS NOT SIMPLY A GLANCE AT THE WEBSITE. OTHER COUNTIES OFFER LESSONS. PIKE COUNTY REPORTED 91.96 LIVE RELEASE RATE IN 2025. 1196 TRAPPED NEUTERED, VACCINATE RETURN SURGERIES. JACKSONVILLE HAS DESCRIBED FOSTER'S NETWORK APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY87% SAVE RATE. THE PROGRAMS DESERVES EXAMINATION. IF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS DOING SOMETHING WELL, LET'S RECOGNIZE IT. IF ANOTHER COUNTY HAS A BETTER APPROACH, LET'S LEARN FROM IT. THIS IS NO NOT EMBARRASSMENT. THE FACT TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS FOR ANIMALS IN OUR COMMUNITY. COUNTY GOVERNMENT WORKS BEST WITH A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER. I'M TRACY BRYANT. EYE LIVE AT -- I LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HOPEFUL. THE PEOPLE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHO ARE ALREADY WILLING TO HELP ANIMALS. RESCUES, FOSTER FAMILIES, TNVR VOLUNTEERS AND NONPROFITS DONATE THEIR TIME AND MONEY TO CARE FOR DOGS AND CATS. THEY PROVIDE VETERINARIAN CARE, BOTTLE FEED KITTENS AND FIND LOVING HOMES. THAT WILLINGNESS TO HELP IS A RESOURCE OUR COUNTY CAN BUILD ON. [00:40:02] OUR COUNTY'S DOG AND CAT EUTHANASIA NUMBERS WARRANT CLOSER EXAMINATION. INCLUDING AN ASSESSMENT OF THE ALTERNATIVES AVAILABLE. COUNTY SUPPORTED FOSTER PROGRAMS AND CAREFULLY MANAGED TRAPPED NEUTER VACCINATE AND RETURN OR TNVR SHOULD BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. NEARBY COUNTIES HAVE PROGRAMS WE CAN STUDY AND LEARN FROM AS WE DEVELOP AN APPROAH THAT FITS OUR COMMUNITY. SOME RESCUE GROUPS REPORT DIFFICULTY COLLABORATING WITH ANIMAL CONTROL. WE NEED CLEAR PRACTICAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS SUCH AS WHEN KITTENS ARRIVE, ARE APPROVED FOSTERS NOTIFIED? IF RESCUE HAS SPACE, WHO DO THEY CONTACT? IS THERE A CONSISTENT PROCESS FOR COMMUNITY CATS, ELIGIBLE FOR TNVR? CLEAR PROCEDURES CAN TURN OFFERS OF HELP INTO TIMELY ACTION. AT THE LAST MEETING, CONCERNS WERE RAISED ABOUT PROTECTING WILD BIRDS FROM CAT COLONIES. THOSE CONCERNS MATTER. PROTECTING WILDLIFE MUST BE PART OF ANY COMMUNITY CAT POLICY. TNVR NEED PROTECTION FOR SENSITIVE HABITATS. WE ARE AWARE AND SHOULD CONSIDER THOSE SITUATION AS THEY A RISE. NOT EVERY ANIMAL BE RELEASED, FOSTERED OR DON'TED FOR VARIOUS -- ADOPTED FOR VARIOUS REASONS. REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND DOCUMENTED WHENEVER CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOW. WE ASK THAT YOU ADVISE COUNTY STAFF TO COLLABORATE WITH QUALIFIED RESCUES AND TNVR ORGANIZATIONS TO DEVELOP AN OFFICIAL PARTNERSHIP PROCESS AND COUNTY SUPPORTED FOSTER NETWORK. WITH WRITTEN PROCEDURES AND DESIGNATED CONTACTS. WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING TO WORK TOGETHER. RESIDENTS WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP NEED A DEPENDABLE WAY TO DO SO. THIS COMMUNITY IS READY. LET'S TURN THAT WILLINGNESS INTO A WORKING PARTNERSHIP THAT GIVES ANIMALS A BETTER CHANCE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS RENEE LINCOLN. YOU HAVE HEARD CONCERNS, THE NUMBERS AND UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. NOW WE ARE ASKING FOR ACTION AND SOLUTIONS THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY CAN BE PROUD OF. WE ARE A PROSPEROUS GROWING COUNTY. FAMILIES STILL SEARCH FOR LOST PETS WITH FEAR THAT ANIMAL CONTROL HAS PICKED THEM UP. RESCUERS STRUGGLE TO GET ANSWERS FROM OUR COUNTY SHELTER BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS DONE IN SECRET. ANIMALS GET A DEATH SENTENCE WITHIN DAYS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE OTHER SOLUTIONS IN PLACE. WE NEED FACTS, ACCOUNTABILITY, FAIR EXAMINATION AND HUMANE ALTERNATIVES. TODAY, WE ARE REQUESTING THREE SPECIFIC ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, CREATE A COMMISSION-BACKED OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AT OUR ST. JOHNS ANIMAL PET CENTER. GIVE IF CLEARLY DEFINED AUTHORITY REQUIRED ACROSS DEPARTMENTAL COOPERATION AND ALLOW IT TO REVIEW RECORD AND OBSERVE OPERATIONS. REVIEW INTAKE PROCEDURES, HOUSING VET CARE, AND RESCUE OUTCOMES COMPARE TO NEIGHBORING COUNTIES AND PUBLISH THE FINDINGS. NUMBER TWO, BUILD A FORMAL RESCUE AND FOSTER PROGRAM. CREATE CLEAR PROCESSES, CONNECTING QUALIFIED RESCUES, TNVR GROUPS AND FOSTER FAMILY TO ANIMAL INTAKE AND PLACEMENT. EXPLORE A COUNTY SUPPORTED DOG AND CAT NETWORK. NUMBER THREE. REVIEW ORDINANCE 2017-36. ASK OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO EXAMINE THE NUANCE COMPLAINTS, CAT CONFINEMENT AND LAW TNVR RETURN TO FIELD OPTIONS. A FRIGHTENED CAT SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED SOLELY BY ITS BEHAVIOR. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS THE RESOURCES. IT HAS THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. IT HAS NEIGHBORING EXAMPLES TO LEARN FROM. WHAT WE NEED NOW IS A POLITICAL WILL TO MAKE ANIMAL WELFARE A PRIORITY. A COUNTY SHOULD NOT JUDGED ONLY BY THE WEALTH IT CREATES, THE HOMES THAT IT BUILDS THE GROWTH THAT IT ATTRACT. IT SHOULD ALSO BE JUDGED BY WHAT IT CHOOSES TO PROTECT. COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CAN DO BETTER. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU ARE WILLING TO LEAD THAT CHANGE. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. FIRSTER I WANT TO GIVE SARAH [00:45:01] TAYLOR AND CHRISTIAN A HEARTFELT THANK YOU. GENUINELY. FIRST TIME YOU HEAR ME CRY HERE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION SERIOUSLY. AND LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WON'T FORGET IT. WHEN I FIRST STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS THE FIRST COMMISSIONER I SPOKE WITH WAS KRISTA. SHE ENCOURAGED ME TO GET INVOLVED WITH LOCAL POLITICS. ESPECIALLY AS A MOTHER AND A WOMAN. SHE TOLD ME TO MAKE MY VOICE HEARD. ANN WAS THE 1:00. SHE SAID THE SAME. AT FIRST, I WAS DEEPLY OFFENDED. AFTER REFLECT, I REALIZED THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR BRIEF HISTORY LESSON ON THE WORD. THE ABILITY TO LEARN HOWEVER, IS UP TO YOU. WE ARE ALL AWARE SOME ARE INCAPABLE OF IT. THE WORD RADICAL COMES FROM THE LATIN WORD WHICH TRANSLATES TO THE ROOT, I PERSONALLY LOVE THIS, I'M A GARDNER AND KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE FOUNDATION WHICH WE PLANT A SEED CAN GROW STRONGER. HISTORICALLY, TO BE A RADICAL DID NOT MEAN UP EXTREME, DANGEROUS OR LAWLESS. IT MEANT UP FOCUSED ON THE ROOT CAUSES. IT MEANT YOU REFUSE TO LOOK AT THE SURFACE SYMPTOMS AND INSISTED EXAMINING THE TRUTH OF THE SITUATION. WHEN WE LOOK AT AMERICAN HISTORY THE PEOPLE WHO INSISTED PROTECTING FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS WAS BRANDED AS RADICALS. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. WAS LABELED A DANGEROUS RADICAL BY GOVERNMENTS, CRITICS, DEMANDING THAT AMERICA SIMPLY LIVE UP TO THE PROMISES WRITTEN IN ITS OWN CONSTITUTION. EVERYDAY CITIZENS WHO FOUGHT FOR THE 40 HOUR WORKWEEK AND THE CHILD LABOR LAWS WERE ALL DISMISSED AS RADICALS. TODAY, WE CALLED THEM PATRIOTS. VISIONARIES AND PROTECTORS OF FREEDOM. IF WANTING TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS MAKES ME A RADICAL, I ACCEPT THE TITLE. WANTING TO ENSURE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ENGAGE IN WARRANTLESS MASS SURVEILLANCE. WE ARE SIMPLY GOING TO THE ROOT OF THE AMERICAN LIBERTY. THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. ALPR CAMERAS TRACK, AND LOG AND STORE THE MOVEMENT OF CITIZENS WHO DONE NOTHING WRONG. THIS A FOUNDATIONAL VOLUME OF A RIGHT TO BE SECURE. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO OVERTHROW THE SYSTEM, I'M ASKING YOU TO HONOR IT. THEREFORE, I'M ASKING COMMISSIONER TODAY, SARAH, IT WILL BE GREAT HONOR, TO MAKE A MOTION TO SET A FORMAL DATE FOR THE COMPLETE REMOVAL OF ALPR CAMERAS FROM OUR COUNTY. LET US GET BACK TO THE ROOTS OF WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT. LIBERTY, PRIVACY AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ⌞> CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF. I DIDN'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. WOULD YOU SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD? >> DEBORAH. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. HEATHER LANE NEVILLE. I'M HERE TODAY. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR RECOGNIZING VETERANS DAY THAT'S COMING UP. I'M HERE REPRESENTING A CUSTOMER WHO IS A MULTISERVICE COLONEL. I'M ALSO HERE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS. I LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO CHIEF PROJECT ST. JOHNS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC PLANRY FOR THE NEARLY 2000 ACRES OF PRIVATELY OWNED LAND HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S LOOKING TO THE FUTURE AND LOOKING AT HIS LAND INTENTIONALLY AND WANT TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE OWNER RETIRED U.S. ARMY COLONEL HENMAN, MEANS LOOKING BEYOND THE OPPORTUNITIES. WITH A PROPERTY OF THIS SCALE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE MORE THAN JUST OUR ENTITLEMENT OF HOME. IT'S A DREAM COME TRUE. SOMEBODY WHO LIVED HERE AND BE IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE SINCE HIGH SCHOOL AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE FIRST THREE MEETINGS IS NEXT THURSDAY. IT WILL START AT 4:00 P.M. FOR THREE HOURS WITH AN OPEN HOUSE AS WELL AS AN INTERACTIVE PORTION AND PRESENTATION. WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOWING THREE ALTERNATIVES TO THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE FIRST-OF-ITS-KIND. THOSE WHO JOIN WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. WHAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED. WHAT SHOULD REMAIN WORKING. CAN WE DO RECREATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL WORK? THERE'S LIMITS ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO. THERE WILL BE ONLINE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE NEXT 60 DAYS AFTER THAT. IN WHICH TIME PEOPLE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SURVEYS, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF REALLY FUN PLANNING TOOLINGS TO LEARN HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS. WE'LL CONTINUE THIS ONWARD FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. THERE'S A WEBSITE. [00:50:04] I OPEN ARMS AND INVITE EVERYBODY TO ATTEND, INTERACT. THIS IS A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH VERY LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ST. JONS COUNTY. PROBABLY FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. SECONDARILY, FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A DEDICATED GROUP OF CITIZENS I'VE BEEN LUCKY TO KNOW. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WHAT WE WILL BE CALLING THE MOCCASIN BRANCH WILDLIFE CORRIDOR. I'M HERE TO ANNOUNCE THAT PROJECT. IT'S A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROJECT. THE INTENT IS TO UNDERSTAND AND PROTECT OUR HISTORY AS IT IS WEST OF 95. BASICALLY, FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT INTEREST OUT THERE AND T TO ENSE PROGRESS IS MADE AND PROTECT THE HISTORY. THANK YOU, THAT'S A I HAVE TODAY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I WANT TO TAKE THREE MINUTES AND TALK ABOUT ROAD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. COUNTY DOES HAVE A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET, TAS SPREADSHEET WHICH MONITORS 240 ROAD SEGMENTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT TELL US HOW MANY CARS ON THE ROAD OR IF IT'S BELOW CAPACITY AND APPROVED ON BUILT WHAT NEW TRAFFIC MAY COME TO THOSE ROAD. IF YOU LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE TAS SPREADSHEET, YOU'LL SEE THREE IMPORTANT COLUMNS. ONE IS EXISTING TRAFFIC WHICH TELLS YOU HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON THAT ROAD AT THE FAR RIGHT IS WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THAT ROAD IS. IN THE MIDDLE IS THE TOTAL COMMITTED. WHICH IS APPROVED BUT UNBUILT. HERE ARE THREE SEGMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY MOVING ABOVE AND NEAR AND ABOVE DESIGN CAPACITY. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE TAS, 35% OF OUR ROADS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARE DEFICIENT. ANOTHER ALMOST 10% ARE APPROACHING DEFICIENCY. 45% CLOSE TO 45% OF OUR ROADS AREOVER CROWDED. WE HEAR ABOUT THAT FROM THE VOTERS. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT FROM THE VOTERS. A COUPLE OF IMPORTANT SEGMENTS THE INFAMOUS STATE ROUTE 16 THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO GET FUNDED, OPERATING AT 250%. EXITING 2209 ON TO ST. JOHNS PARKWPARKWAY AND UP TO 210. 200%. IN SPITE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE AT THE I-95 INTERSECTION FROM THAT INTERSECTION DOWN TO INMAN ROAD, 184%. NOW, THOSE NUMBERS ARE THE APPROVED BUT NOT YET BUILT. THERE SUPPOSED TO BE RESERVE CAPACITY ON THOSE ROADS. IN CONCLUSION, I LOOK AT THOSE THREE NUMBERS AND ALMOST 75 OTHERS AND SAY HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? WE'RE RECEIVING APPLICATIONS INCLUDING REPORTS FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, LICENSED CERTIFIED TRAFFIC ENGINEERS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TELLING YOU WHERE ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC WILL GO. LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED. 75% OF OUR ROADS ARE OVERCROWDED. SOME IMMENSELY OVERCROWDED. I ASK THE QUESTION, HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? I HOPE THE COMMISSION WILL ASK THOSE SAME QUESTIONS OF ITS STAFF IN THE MONTHS TO COME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. KAYLEE MASTERS. ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WANT TO QUICK AGREE WITH HIM THAT TRAFFIC ON 16 IS A NIGHTMARE. I'M NOT SURE WHO APPROVED ROUNDABOUTS TO BE RIGHT AT THE EXIT. THAT'S TERRIBLE. THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE. I SIT IN THAT TRACK ALL THE TIME. WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR, WE HEARD ABOUT ALPR CAMERAS. THANK YOU TO THE THREE COMMISSIONERS TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THEY SPEAK FOR. I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY 89 CAMERAS ON COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND 18 PERMITS ISSUED. MY QUESTION WILL EXCLUDE 100 ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES. WHO PUT THE 89 CAMERAS ON COUNTY PROPERTY? 18 PERMITS ISSUED MEANS 71 CAMERAS WERE PUT IN PLACE WITHOUT A PERMIT. WHY WERE THESE CAMERAS NOT IMMEDIATELY REMOVED BY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR CODE VIOLATIONS? WHY WERE THE PERSONS RESPONSIBLE NOT APPLYING TO THE $119 FINE [00:55:03] FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE, $268 REPEAT OFFENSES AND ONGOING FINES IF ESCALATED TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. WHY WERE THEY NOT SUBJECT TO TRESPASS TO UTILITIES FOR MOUNTING A CAMERA ON UTILITY POLE WITHOUT DISTRICT WRITTEN ATTACHMENT AGREEMENTS. DO ANY OF THESE CAMERAS HAVE AUDIO RECORDING CAPABILITY? IF SO, FLORIDA IS A STRICT ALL PARTY CONSENT STATE FOR AUDIO. RECORDING AUDIO THROUGH AN OUTDOOR SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM WITHOUT CONSENT FROM THE PEOPLE BEING RECORDED IS A THIRD DEGREE FELONY. WHY ARE THE CAMERAS STILL UP AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LIABILITY HERE? THE FINANCIAL BURDEN THIS COULD BE FOR OUR COUNTY. ST. JOHNS COUNTY TAXPAYERS FACE A SUBSTANTIAL FISCAL BURDEN ALREADY FROM SEVERAL HIGH PROFILE LEGAL LOSSES AND MASSIVE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PAYOUTS. THESE COSTS STEM FROM SEVERE PUBLIC SAFETY INCIDENTS, CONTRACT BREACHES AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDINANCES. DO WE REALLY NEED TO ADD TO THAT? ARE WE JUST CROSSING OUR FINGERS AND HOPING WE DON'T GET SUED. I'M PROBABLY SHOWING HOW RADICAL I AM TRYING TO PROTECT MY FAMILY, THE CITIZENS AND THIS COUNTY'S TAX DOLLARS. LET'S HOPE THERE ARE MORE RADICAL TO PROTECT OUR COUNTY FROM VIOLATIONS THAT CAN WIPE OUT COUNTY RESOURCES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SYRIA HOFSTETTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M A LOCAL HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M ALSO A MOTHER AND STUDENT. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY SON'S GENERATION AND GENERATIONS TO COME. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS BETTER USE OF URBAN PLANNING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IN MIND. I LIKE TO REQUEST THE COUNTY TO REEVALUATE OUR BUILDING PLANS FROM THE LAST 15 YEARS AND ASK THE QUESTION IS IT SUSTAINABLE IN ALL ASPECTS FOR OUR COUNTY. IT'S IMPORTANT NOW MORE THAN EVER TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR RESOURCES. BUILDING OUTWARD DESTROYS HABITATS. I WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE SPRAWLING AND IF WE CAN LEAVE THE FARMLANDS ALONE IN ELKTON, HASTINGS AND 208. CONSERVE OUR CULTURE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I DON'T WANT TO GET LARGER SURROUNDING CITY. IES. I BEEN ON BEACH RECENTLY WITH A LOT OF WEATHER WITH WIND AND AT TRASH BLOWING RIGHT OUT OF THE TRASH BINS. I WANT TO REQUEST STURDY HEAVY DUTY TOPPED TRASH BINS AT THE BEACH AND ALONG THE BAY FRONT. I WALKED ALONG THE BAY FRONT AFTER NEW YEAR'S. THE TRASH WAS JUST VERY HORRIFYING. I KNOW OUR COUNTY WORKS REALLY HARD TO KEEP IT CLEAN. JUST ADD THAT CAPACITY WE NEED LIKE STURDY HEAVY TOP TRASH BINS ALONG THE BAY FRONT BEFORE IT GOES IN THE OCEAN. LET'S MAKE ST. AUGUSTINE SUSTAINABLE. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER. WOW. ONCE AGAIN WE FIND OURSELVES HERE. GLAD TO SEE THE A COUPLE OF AGRICULTURAL ENSLAVES H -- ENCLAVED PULLED OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEEN THE FLOODING IN ELKTON YESTERDAY WHERE THE ROAD WERE FLOODED AND PEOPLE COULDN'T GET OUT. DURING MATTHEW, THERE WAS WHITE WATER RISKIES IN HASTINGS. MR. JOE HAS TOLD YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT. YOU HAVE A HALF ROOM OF DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS HERE WANTING TO GET THEIR MAJOR MODS CHANGED TODAY. WHERE YOU CAN APPROVE MORE. THERE NEED TO BE SOMETHING WITH THE TRAFFIC. I STARTED ON COMMISSIONER DEAN THREE YEARS AGO. WHICH HE'S PRETTY MUCH USELESS WHEN IT COMES TO DOING STUFF FOR THE PEOPLE. ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC, THE PADS WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE ROADS. THEY PUT UP THE SENSORS. THIS IS FLORIDA. THEM SENSORS RUST. THEY DO NOT WORK ANYMORE. NOW ON SIDE STREETS YOU HAVE NO PADS TO TURN THE RED LIGHTS. YOU HAVE NO SENSORS. WHEN I ASK THEM THREE YEARS AGO, HE TOLD ME IT WAS BEING WORKED ON. NOTHING IS BEING DONE. MAYBE WHEN THE NEW COMMISSION GETS IN, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN TAKE THE TIME TO GET SOMETHING DONE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS TOWN WITH TRAFFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING REALLY SICK OF IT. [01:00:02] GOD BLESS YOU ALL. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> GOOD MORNING. >> JUSTIN TAYLOR. I ENDED UP COMING LATE. I WAS WATCHING ON MY WAY HERE. ANN, YOU SHARING PERSONAL STORY ABOUT BEING ADOPTED. THAT'S MOVING. THANK YOU. ALSO, I SAW SOME TALK ABOUT WANTING TO GO UP AND NOT OUT. WHY IT'S BETTER TO GO UP AND INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND CUTTING DOWN TREES. SECOND TIME I'VE COME UP HERE. THE REALITY IS THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. YOU CANNOT GO UP OR OUT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE DON'T HAVE ADAPTIVE REUSE FOR INFIELD PROPERTIES. AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOW EVERYBODY IS DOING IT WRONG, NOBODY DOING IT WRONG. EVERYBODY DOING IT ACCORDING TO WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS. WHICH MEANS IF YOU HAVE AN OLD PROPERTY FROM THE '50S, WE HAVE THE 2026 DETENTION, RETENTION UNDERGROUND WATER TREATMENT FACILITY BUILT TO 2026 STANDARDS. WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS BUILT 50 OR 60 YEARS AGO. ONCE YOU OTHAT, DOESN'T MATTER THAT THERE WAS 100-YEAR TREE IN THE WAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT 100-YEAR TREE IN THE WAY. SO IF THE TREES IN THE WAY AND THERE'S NO DEVIATION OR FORUM TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY OR SPECIFIC PLAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITIZENS THAT KEEP COMING UP HERE EXPECTING ANYBODY TO DO. IT'S ALREADY CODIFIED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE CHANGE AND LOOK AT THE CODE AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ADAPT IT AND MODIFY IT AND MAKE IT BETTER. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES MAKES THE DECISION ON WHAT CAN AND CAN'T HAPPEN. IT'S KIND OF TIRING TO SEE EVERYBODY COME UP HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. EVERYBODY GOT THEIR HANDS TIED BY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE CAN TALK UNTIL WE'RE OUT OF BREATH AND FRUSTRATED AND MAD AT EACH OTHER. OR LOOK AT WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM IS. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM IT'S THE WAY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DEVELOPED. 30%. YOU GOT AMENDMENT THREE POTENTIALLY TAKING AWAY OUR TAX BASE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS BEEN A BEDROOM COMMUNITY FOREVER. WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE REASONS. >> THANKS, SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. ONCE AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MARTIN BEING SWORN IN. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> TOM GEORGE. 558 DEERFIELD ROAD. I HOPE YOU START TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE NOT IN A DROUGHT. WE ARE IN A WATER CRISIS. WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT INVOLVED IN ANY DECISIONS Y'ALL MAKE ON EXISTING PUDS AND THE NEW ONES THAT Y'ALL GOING TO HOPEFULLY NOT MAKE. TO ME THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND KEEPING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO A LEVEL THAT WE CAN CONTROL IT. LIKE I SAID, WATER IS A MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE TO GET MORE INVOLVED ABOUT OUR WATER. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF FRESH WATER. YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY FROM DUVAL COUNTY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO KEY WEST. ALL THE SPRINGSES ARE DROPPING. ALL THE LAKES ARE DRYING UP. WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR AT LEAST GET THEM INVOLVED TO WHERE WE WON'T RUN OUT OF FRESH WATER. TO BE ABLE TO GET A USE PERMIT FOR A SUBDIVISION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 175 FEET OF FRESH WATER [01:05:05] FLOATING ON TOP OF THE SALT WATER. WE'VE HAD SALT WATER HERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. FROM PRETTY MUCH THREE MILES, FOUR MILES WEST OF -- I WOULD SAY BEFORE 95. OUT ALL SALT WATER. EVERY BIT OF IT. FURTHER SOUTH WE HAVE SALT DEPOSITS AT 60, 70 AND 80-FOOT LEVEL. UNDERNEATH THAT, THE AQUIFERS GOT SALT WATER. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT LAND, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ROB WATER FROM NORTH END IN WHICH THAT'S WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM. IF WE HAVE A BIG SUBDIVISION PUT IN BETWEEN HERE AND JACKSONVILLE, THAT'S GOING TO IMPEDE ON OUR QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF WATER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ALREADY. I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A CONCERN FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN. >> THANK YOU. >> WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE WATER. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? FOR ITEMS NOT ONLY THE AGENDA. GOOD MORNING. >> I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER TAYLOR'S REMARKS ABOUT BEING ADOPTED. WE ADOPTED A DOG WHEN WE LIVE IN BROWARD COUNTY. BROWARD COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY HAD A WONDERFUL FACILITY. WE GOT OUR DOG THERE. BROWARD COUNTY HUE TAKEN SOCIETY GOT A GIFT OF $5 MILLION. THAT GIFT PAID FOR A WONDERFUL NO KILL SHELTER. THAT OUGHT TO BE THE END GAME HERE AS FAR AS ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ANIMAL. THEY KILLING IT CON -- THEY CALT CONTROL BUT IT'S NOT CONTROL BUT IT'S ABUSE. I'M CANDIDATE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY SEAT TWO. I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO FORMER ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH MAYOR, GARRY SNODGRASS. HAD A RULE. HE DIDN'T GET A VOTE ON IT. I CALLED THE GARY SNODGRASS RULE. WE DO COUNTY CHARTER. IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE GARY SNODGRASS RULE. HE SAID WHEN HE WAS MAYOR SOMEBODY CAME TO THE PODIUM AT ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AND THEY ASK AN ACTUAL QUESTION, HE WOULD SEE TO IT THAT IT WAS ANSWERED THAT DAY. IF NOT DURING THE MEETING THEN BEFORE THE LADY OR GENTLEMAN WENT HOME. I PRESENTED BACK IN 2022 MARCH 15TH, 25 IDEAS FOR GOVERNMENT REFORM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE SALES TAX. THERE WERE 25 IDEAS. ONLY ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN ADOPTED. GUESS WHICH ONE? GUESS BY WHOM. THE ONLY ONE OF THE 25 IDEAS FOR GOVERNMENT FORMED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT I PRESENTED IN 2022 THAT WAS ADOPTED WAS ADOPTED BUT OUR SHERIFF. ROBERT HARDWICK. THAT WAS POLICE, BODY CAMERAS, BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND CAMERAS ON VEHICLES. I FEEL CONFIDENT. HERE WE ARE BETWEEN HOPE AND HISTORY ONCE AGAIN. I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WITH THE NEW COMMISSIONER COMING ON BOARD IN TWO WEEKS, WHO IS A VETERAN FBI AGENT, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO UP YOUR GAME BECAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING. MAYBE YOU GET A COUPLE OF SQUADS OF FBI AGENTS HERE IF YOU Y'ALL MESS UP. I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO BAYVIEW, THIS COMMISSION ALLOWED THEM TO TAKE OVER OUR WONDERFUL, PRIVATE -- TO PRIVATIZE THE PUBLIC RESOURCE TO PRIVATIZE THE SKILLED NURSING FACILITY. TAKE IT OVER FOR PROFIT. MORE LATER. THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. HAPPY ELECTION DAY. >> THANK YOU. [01:10:03] >> GOOD MORNING. DUVAL COUNTY SHERIFF WATERS RECEIVED A SHARE OF $300 MILLION CRIME FIGHTING FUNDS FROM WASHINGTON D.C. HE IS REMOVING FLOCK CAMERAS IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. PLEASE LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN THE 89 PLOTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL BE REMOVED. I WILL TRY TO GET THE PUBLIC RECORDS THAT WAS PRESENTED. IT HASN'T BEEN TURNED INTO THE CLERK HERE. NONPROFITS DO NOT PAY PROMPT -- PROPERTY TAXES. LET ME ENCOURAGE THEM TO VOTE YES ON THREE FOR PROPERTY TAX REFORM. THIS IS THE AMOUNT. $10,829,517,249 PROPERTY TAXES ARE NOT COLLECTED BY THE CITY ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT THIS FIGURE IS ABOUT. I PRESENTED IN THE PAST WHAT THE COUNTY AND WHAT THE CITY AND THEN WHAT THE COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T GET. WE DON'T GET THAT MONEY. PLEASE VOTE YES ON THREE FOR PROPERTY TAX REFORM AND AS WAS STATED TOO, YOU HAVE UNTIL 7:00 TO DO IT TODAY. I WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO REMEMBER WHO IS SITTING UP HERE, HOW THEY LOOK AT THE ONES THAT COME UP HERE THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PUBLIC. THAT WE PAY TAXES TO HAVE ANSWERS TO. I WANT TO THANK YOU THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS STILL BEFORE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO HEAR. IT'S ALMOST 10:00. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME IN HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BUT $10 BILLION THAT YOU DON'T GET. YOU DON'T GET ANY PROPERTY TAX. LOSING THAT MUCH MONEY. I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE VOTE IS OVER WITH. STAY UP ALL NIGHT LONG TO FIND OUT LONG. >> THANK YOU. >> TOM REYNOLDS. THANK YOU TO ALL THE ANIMAL ADVOCATES SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE INNOCENT ANIMALS. THAT'S VERY GODLY OF THOSE FOLKS. I DO SEE ALL OF THEM GOING TO HEAVEN. SOMETHING I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING. ANYWAYS, FOLKS, CAN YOU GET THIS RIGHT HERE? I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT. TODAY, OUT OF ALL THE PROCLAMATIONS AND ALL THE YEARS I EVER BEFORE HERE, THIS WAS TOUGH ONE FOR ME. WHY WAS IT TOUGH? BECAUSE I THOMAS FRANCIS REYNOLDS IS NOT A FRIEND OF THE CURRENT ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. I'M NOT A FRIEND OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT SUPPORTERS. I'M A FRIEND OF ISRAELIS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR PEACE. I WANT TO REMIND YOU. I DIDN'T HEAR IT COME UP, 74,615 PALESTINIANS MURDERED SINCE OCTOBER 2025. 175,899 PALESTINIANS INJURED. FOLKS, THE CURRENT IS FROM OCTOBER 2025 IS 20,179 CHILDREN MURDERED! BY THE CURRENT ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. BASED ON THE MENTALITY THEY BOMB A HOSPITAL. FOR HAMAS OR TWO HIDING BEHIND A HOSPITAL, THEY BOMB THE HOSPITAL. OR I GUESS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF GANG MEMBERS OVER IN WEST ST. AUGUSTINE, SHOULD WE WIPE OUT ST. AUGUSTINE? NO. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, FOLKS. 44,140 CHILDREN INJURED LOSS OF LIMBS, BURNS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEEING ANY OF THIS STUFF ON TV. I DIDN'T SEE OF THOSE FOLKS ADDRESS THAT. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TELL YOU IT WAS ALL NICE. THEY LOOK LIKE NICE FOLKS. I GOT TO TELL YOU, I HAD TO YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I WANTED TO YELL OUT, WHAT IS THE DEATH [01:15:05] TOLL TODAY FROM THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT MURDERING POOR INNOCENT PALESTINIANS. DO YOU KNOW NO WORLD FREEDOM REPORTER CAN GO TO GAZA? BECAUSE THEY WILL KILL YOU. BENJAMIN NETANYAHU IS A MURDERER. HE'S NO DIFFERENT FROM VLADIMIR PUTIN. I GOT TO TELL YOU TODAY WAS A REAL TOUGH ONE. I SAT IN THAT BACK. I WALKED OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I WANTED TO YELL OUT. THANKS FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? COME ON UP. SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. I SAW YOU JUST IN TIME. >> HI. I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER. I'M A CARING CITIZEN. THIS IS ABOUT THE ANIMALS. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THEIR WELL-BEING AND THE NUMBERS I'M HEARING ABOUT EUTHANASIA. I WAS VERY INVOLVED SAVE THE ANIMAL THAT WAS TRAPPED. I DON'T A SUCCESS OR NOT AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION. HE'S GOT SEVERE BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS. BOTTOM LINE IS, I WAS NEVER FAN OF THAT FOR MANY YEARS. DUE TO THE STORIES I'VE HEARD. I DECIDED TO MEET WITH HIM DIRECTLY. HE TOOK ME ON A TOUR OF FACILITY AND I SAW WITH MY ON EYES HOW SMALL IT IS. HOW OVERCROWDED IT IS. I WAS TOLD BY SOME OF THE VOLUNTEERS IN THE WORKERS THAT GOTTEN MIXED STORIES. THEY DO NOT EUTHANIZE ANIMALS THAT ARE PUT UP FOR ADOPTION. PAW SAID, WE GET 100 OF THESE DOGS EVERY TWO MONTHS. OKAY. THAT MEANS THOSE ARE EUTHANIZED. THEY'RE NOT PUT UP FOR ADOPTION. THEY ALSO HAVE ALL THESE THOUGHTS COMING IN IF THE FACILITIES ARE OVERCROWDED, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE ANIMALS THAT ARE BROUGHT IN? WHERE DO THEY GO? I WOULD GUESS -- I CAN'T SAY THEY ARE EUTHANIZED BUT I GUESS THEY ARE. I DON'T LIKE THE ANSWERS. HE TOLD ME THERE ISN'T ROOM. THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND. THEY DON'T HAVE A QUIET ROOM FOR TERRIFIED ANIMALS TO DECOMPRESS. CAN'T WE GET VOLUNTEERS TO BRING A SHED IN AND HAVE A QUIET ROOM. THERE'S NO SPACE HE TOLD ME. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. HE SAID THEY TRYING TO ACQUIRE A VAN BEHIND THEM. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S TRUE. HE SAID THEY DON'T ARE A VETERINARIAN ON STAFF. WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE ANIMALS. VETERINARIAN COMES IN A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK. WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE TIME? WHY ISN'T THERE MONEY FOR VETERINARIAN? THEIR RATES ARE 90% AND ABOVE FOR LIVE ANIMALS. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? HE'S SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDING. I DON'T KNOW. IS IT OPERATIONAL? LACK OF SPACE. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. I BEEN HERE SINCE '87. OUT BEEN GOING ON THAT LONG. I'M BEGGING YOU GUYS TO OPEN YOUR HEARTS AND BE CREATIVE AND USE YOUR INTELLECT AND HELP US FIND A SOLUTION. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ANY OTHER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME FOR ITEMSES THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. [1. Public Hearing * Public Hearing continued from October 20, 2026 - ENCERT 2026-12 Star IV. Application for Agricultural Enclave Certification pursuant to Sections 163.3162 and 163.3164, Chapter 2026-34, Laws of Florida. This certification request is identified as ENCERT 2026-12 Agricultural Enclave Certification (Star IV) and includes approximately 70.83 acres. The subject property is located West of State Road 16, south of the Grand Oaks development, and north of the Windward Ranch development.] WE'LL GO TO AGENDA ITEM ONE. THIS IS CONTINUATION OF SOMETHING WE STARTED AND QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM THAT WE DID EX PARTE. I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSIONERS IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO NOTICE THE BOARD ABOUT BETWEEN THAT LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING? IS THAT PROPER? COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> THANK YOU. I HAD 16 E-MAILS AND I HAD COUPLE OF PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH PATRICK >> I HAD 13 MORE E-MAILS. >> I TOOK A MEETING AT THE OFFICES OF ATM TO DISCUSS THE BOUNDARY MEASUREMENT [01:20:07] REQUIREMENT. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> I HAD 13 PLUS E-MAILS AND NO MEETINGS ON THIS. >> I HAD 13 E-MAILS OR MORE. I HAD ONE CONVERSATION WITH BOBBY COTHER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR FOR THIS CONTINUING DISCUSSION. >> GOOD MORNING. THE BOARD CONTINUED THIS HEARING. SO IT COULD CONSULT WITH STAFF REGARDING THE MY UNDERSTANDING THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS ISSUED AFTER THE 30-DAY STATUTORY TIMELINE. WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM STAFF REGARDING THAT ISSUE. DURING THE CONTINUATION, ON OCTOBER 26TH, THE STAFF PUBLISHED AN ADDITIONAL REPORT WITH ANOTHER UPDATE APPARENTLY BY ADDING A MAP EXHIBIT. WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THIS OR PROVIDED A COPY OF THIS ADDITIONAL UPDATE. WE FOUND IT BY LOOKING AT THE AGENDA PACKET IN DISCOVERING THE ADDITION OF THIS MAP. WE WERE NOT PROVIDED NOTICE OF THIS ADDITIONAL CHANGE. WE BELIEVE THE BOARD RELIANCE ON THE TWICE UPDATED STAFF REPORTS IS CONTRARY TO THE CLEAR LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE. OUR APPLICATION AND ALL THE SUPPORTING MATERIAL AND DOCUMENTATION ARE ON THE RECORD OUR APPLICATION EXCEED THE STATUTORY MATERIAL. WE DISAGREE WITH THE STAFF'S INTERPRETATION AND APPLICATION OF THIS STATUTE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OTHERWISE, WE RELY ON OUR APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. >> THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE ONE. I GUESS IT'S FOR THE BOARD. THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES AS A BOARD WHAT DO WE FEEL LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THE UPDATE FROM STAFF THAT WAS BEYOND 30 DAYS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NO SET RULE OR SET STATUTORY DIRECTIONS WHEN IT COME TO THAT. OUR STAFF, THE LEGAL STAFF IS STANDING ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO UPDATE THAT AS NECESSARY. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE BOARD. YES. THE STATUTE 163 REQUIRES THAT WE DO A WRITTEN REPORT WITHIN 30 DAYS RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION. THE STAFF WRITTEN REPORT WAS ISSUED WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME. SUBSEQUENTLY, THERE WAS AN UPDATE. THERE WAS NO EXPRESS PROHIBITION PROVIDING AN UPDATE. CLEARLY, THERE WAS A CHANGE. WE MADE THAT CHANGE. I'M UNAWARE OF THE OCTOBER 26TH. WE'RE WITHIN THE STATUTE OF ISSUING THE TIMELY ISSUING THE WRITTEN REPORT. OBVIOUSLY, AS WE TALKED TO YOU MANY TIMES IN YOUR BRIEFINGS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT THE ULTIMATE DECISION IS YOURS. THE STAFF IS MAKING ITS WRITTEN REPORT BASED ON THE APPLICATION. YOU RECEIVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF THE STAFF DOES NOT HAVE YOU RECEIVE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU RECEIVE ARGUMENT FROM THE ATTORNEY. YOU RECEIVE EVIDENCE FROM THE CONSULTANT AND THE PUBLIC. THE DECISION IS YOURS. >> I APPRECIATE IT. LET ME ASK A QUESTION. WITH THAT INTERPRETATION, DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR POSITION AT ALL? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET TODAY IS DATED OCTOBER 8, 2026. THAT'S 37 DAYS AFTER THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED. THE STATUTE IS CLEAR. IT STAYS 30 DAYS. IT DOESN'T OFFER UPDATES OR CHANGES. THE STAFF REPORT IN YOUR PACKET IS UNTIMELY. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE CERTIFICATION APPLICATION FINDING BASE ON THE EVIDENCE CONTAINED IN THE RECORD. UNDER SECTION 163, FLORIDA STATUTES AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFICATION UNDER SECTION 163 AND DIRECT THE OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE THE WRITTEN FINAL ORDER INCLUDING FINDINGS OF FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS OF LOSS REQUIRED BY SECTION UP WITH 163 [01:25:07] AND WITH THE STAFF HAS DETERMINED DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. >> I WILL SECOND >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> WE'VE ALREADY HAD PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS RIGHT? LET'S GO TO A VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. [4. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2025-12 FL St. Augustine Inman PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the Last Mile Distribution Facility PUD (Ord. 2020-43, as amended), at 3960 Inman Road, to allow up to 250,000 square feet of light industrial/flex warehousing uses; rename the PUD to FL St. Augustine Inman; revise permitted/prohibited uses, setbacks, building heights, access, phasing, and the Master Development Plan (MDP) Text and Map. The PZA held public hearings on October 1 and October 15, 2026, with public concerns primarily related to traffic, roadway capacity, permitted uses, and compatibility with surrounding areas. The applicant submitted revisions on October 6, 2026, addressing prohibited uses, traffic circulation signage, and buffering. On October 15, a motion to recommend approval, subject to prohibiting all on-site Distribution Centers, was made and failed with a vote of 3-4. Perkins, Matovina, and Green supported the motion to recommend approval, while Hilsenbeck, Spiegel, Labanowski, and Olson opposed it. No further motions were made. Therefore, the decision is deemed as a recommendation for denial. Staff did not receive a subsequent application update to prohibit all on-site Distribution Centers. Additional information is available in the staff report packet.] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. LET'S GO AGENDA ITEM. ITEM FOUR. EX PARTE. MS. AROUND NOEL. >> I HAD 25 E-MAILS. >> 18 E-MAILS FOR THIS ITEM. MEETING WITH BRAD WESTER, AND STAFF. >> COMMISSIONER ROGERS. >> I HAD 23 E-MAILS. I HAD IN OFFICE MEETING WITH MRD A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS. ALL TO DISCUSS THE SITE LOCATIONS AND TRAFFIC AND HISTORY OF THIS PARCEL. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> I RECEIVED AT LEAST 40 E-MAILS ON THIS TOPIC. ALL IN DENIAL FOR THE APPLICATION. I HAD A MEETING WITH BRAD WESTER. >> THANK YOU. I RECEIVED MORE THAN 30 MAMEES. I HAD A MEETING WITH BRAD WESTER AND STAFF. I DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS. >> BRAD WESTER, DRIVER, MCAFEE, HAWTHORNE AND DIEBENOW. THAT'S IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. THAT'S A MAJOR MODIFICATION. ON INMAN ROAD. THIS IS MAJOR MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING PUD. A AMAZON PUD WAS A SINGLE TENANT USE. WE'RE GOING TO MORE CONVENTIONAL BUSINESS PART MULTITENANT USE. THE SITE IS 58.74 ACRES. THERE ARE 32.38 ACRES WETLANDS TO BE PRESERVED. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE WAREHOUSE FOR FLEX INDUSTRIAL USE. WE CAN GO INTO THAT LITTLE BIT IN-DEPTH WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPER IN A MOMENT. WE ALSO HAVE ADDED ENHANCED LANDSCAPING BUFFER ALONG INMAN ROAD. 8-FOOT WALL ABUTTING THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE PROPERTY. THREE WAIVERS. ONE FROM PREVIOUS AMAZON PUD AND FOUR TO FIVE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION ON INMAN AND 20-FOOT SETBACK REDUCTION OF 15 FEET ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE ARE DEDICATING 20 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY EXPANSION PURPOSES TO THE COUNTY. HERE'S THE SITE. YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT. THIS IS THE AERIAL WHITE BOUNDARY IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE FUTURE LANE USE DESIGNATION IS MIXED USE. THE BACKSTOP OF THAT IS THE ST. JOHNS LAND. THE ZONING IS PUD. YOU SEE HERE THE FABRIC IN THE AREA IS GENERALLY PUD. YOU HAVE THE CENTER MALL THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO OTHER USES. THEN THE PUD FOR OUR PROPOSAL ON AT THE END OF INMAN ROAD. THEN ALONG INMAN ROAD YOU SEE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE A NUMBER OF DESIGNATIONS. YOU SEE THE PUBLIC SERVICE DESIGNATION, THE COUNTY RECENTLY GOT A REZONING FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL TESTING LAB THERE. THEN OTHER USES INCLUDING COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND THE LIKE. INMAN ROAD HAS BEEN A COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR. AGRICULTURAL USE. 2006. THERE WAS A REQUEST TO CHANGE IT FROM OPEN RURAL TO PUD. THAT WAS FOR 236 MULTIFAMILY AND 531 DETACHED GARAGE STORAGE UNITS. 2015, MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THAT. FOR 114 CLASS-A MOTOR HOME RV SPACES. THEN 2020, I WAS THE AGENT FOR THE AMAZON PUD. [01:30:03] THAT WAS MAJOR MODIFICATION. 125,000 SQUARE FOOT AND USER FOR AMAZON WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION. OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. THESE ARE VARIOUS MAPS THAT WERE APPROVED. THE APPROVAL FROM THE AMAZON PUD, 125,000 SQUARE FEET UNDER ONE ROOF ESSENTIALLY. THEN, OVER 800 PLUS PARKING SPACES FLANKING BOTH SIDES OF INMAN. THIS IS A MIXED USE FUTURE LANE USE. IT ALLOWS COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. IT IS JUST THAT. IT'S A MIX USE. THEY CAN COHABITATE TOGETHER GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICIES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDING THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER PUD AND INMAN ROAD INDUSTRIAL SITES AT THE 12-MILE SWAMP PRESERVES. THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER PUD ITSELF GONE THROUGH 12 PLUS MODIFICATIONS SINCE 1997. IT'S RETAIL, RESTAURANT, HOTELS, MULTIFAMILY, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON INMAN AS WELL. INMAN CORRIDOR GONE THROUGH CHANGES SINCE THE '80S AND COMPRISE OF WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION, MANUFACTURING, COMMERCIAL AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY HAS VARIOUS BUILDINGS IN THERE. MOST RECENTLY REZONING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL TESTING LAB. GRAPHICALLY HERE'S THE SAPE USING WITH THE WHITE BEING THE BOUNDARY FOR THE MAJOR MODIFICATION. SHOOTING RANGE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY, TELECOM TOWER, TUSCANY VILLAGE. THE HOTELS, CAR DEALERSHIPS, RV SALES AND GAS AND STORE AT THE CORNER. SPECIFICALLY, IN THE OUTLET CENTER PUD, THEY DISCUSSED THE RAPIDLY TRANSITIONING FROM SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL USES SERVING INTERSTATE TRAVELERS TO LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. THEY HAD ALREADY PROJECTED THE GROWTH OF THIS OVERALL NODE IN THE AREA. INMAN ROAD IS MENTIONED IN THE PUD IS LYING WITH INDUSTRIAL USES. THIS IS FROM THE OUTLET CENTER PUD WHICH HAS RESIDENTIAL. HERE'S THE CURRENT PUD MAP. YOU SEE THE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THERE. WE'VE GOT SIX OF THEM TOTAL AND IT WILL BE 250,000 SQUARE FOOT OF FLEX OFFICE SPACE. FOLKS CAN USE UP TO 2000 SQUARE FEET UP TO POTENTIALLY THE WHOLE BUILDING. IT ALLOWS FOLKS TO GROW FROM MOM AND POP UP TO POTENTIAL NATIONAL BRANDS. SCROLLING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION HERE. I NEED TO START BRING MY OWN BATTERIES. THIS IS CLOSER VIEW OF THAT SHOWING IT MORE DETAIL. THE BIG WETLAND AREA, THE 32 ACRES THAT WILL BE PUT IN CONSERVATION EASEMENT. WE CAN EXPLAIN MORE OF THAT. YOU SEE THE VARIOUS USES THERE, COHABITATING WITH INMAN ROAD. THE FOP WHICH IS TO THE NORTH OF BUDDING. THIS PROJECT WILL CREATE AND FURTHER WHAT THE INMAN'S HAVE DONE. THEY DEDICATED 60 FEET FOR THE FOP TO HAVE ACCESS IT THEIR PROPERTY. THAT WILL BE IMPROVED. RIGHT NOW IT'S A DIRT ROAD. IT IS SIMPLY A DRIVEWAY DIRT TRAIL. THIS WILL BE A COUNTY STANDARD ROAD THAT IF WE BUILT UP TO THE DOORSTEP OF THE FOP PROPERTY. PUT THIS TO SOME COLOR, YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL 55% PLUS PRESERVATION OF THE LAND. THIS KIND OF PANHANDLE SHAPED AREA. THERE ARE NO WETLAND IMPACTS. THE AMAZON PROJECT DID ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT FOR EVERYTHING THEY NEED. STORM WATER AND WETLANDS. WE ARE MODIFYING THAT EXISTING ERP. SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE DISTRICT NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECTS. THEY WERE. THIS WAS SHOVEL READY FOR AMAZON. THEY PULLED OUT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEIR PROXIMITY TO FOP. WE ARE NOT PULLING OUT. WE'RE GONG TO COHABITATE. THIS IS SHOWING IT IN CONCERT WITH THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE AT THE END OF INMAN ROAD THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDINGS, VARIOUS USES ON THE PROPERTY. ALL THE WETLANDS. WE WENT TO TWO DIFFERENT PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY HEARINGS. THE FIRST ONE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF USES THAT WERE ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE. BUSINESS PARK. THEY ASK US TO DO SOME HOMEWORK. TABLE THE DECISION, PROVIDE LIMITATION OF USES. THE BOARD SPECIFIC TO GO STUDY PER THE 2018 ORDINANCE, THE INTERSECTION MOVEMENTS OUT ON STATE ROAD 16. OUTLET CENTER AND INMAN ITSELF. WE INCLUDED THESE 42 USES. WE PROVIDED THESE ON [01:35:02] OCTOBER 15TH. THEN THERE WAS A BOARD MEMBER THAT SPECIFICALLY ASKED CAN WE ALSO ADD DISTRIBUTION CENTERS IN THERE. YOU SEE ON THERE IS LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. THAT'S AMAZON'S TERMINOLOGY. WE HAVE ADDED A 43RD ITEM IN THERE TO BE MORE CLARIFIED THAT DISTRIBUTION FACILITY ARE NOTÚTS PARK. IT GOES FROM RESTAURANTS AT THE BEGINNING, PUB, RETAIL, TRUCK STOPS, FLEA MARKETS, DATA CENTERS NOT INCLUDED. ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND 43RD WAS ADDED AS WELL TO CLARIFY THAT. I GOT THAT TO SUBMIT. ADDITIONALLY, WE DID WAS SOME OTHER CONCERNS. WHICH WE LISTENED TO. THEY SAID THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF INMAN AND OUTLET CENTER DRIVE. NUMBER ONE, ABOUT THE FLOW PROVIDING STOP SIGNS. CAN YOU DO THAT? WE'LL WORK IN CONCERT WITH THE COUNTY, TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC. MORE IMPORTANTLY, POTENTIAL CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC ON OUTLET CENTER DRIVE. OUT PRIVATELY OWNED. IT HAS A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT OVER IT. INCLUDING POTENTIALLY TRUCKS, TRUCKS DO PARK ON THERE. QUITE A BIT. WE ARE GOING TO INCLUDE SIGNAGE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PROHIBITING TRUCKS, BUSINESS RELATED TRUCKS FROM USING OUTLET CENTER DRIVE. THEY MUST USE INMAN. THAT SIGNAGE TEXT IN THIS PUD NOW. OTHER THING WE'VE DONE IS ADDED THE LANGUAGE FOR THE ENHANCED BUFFERING ADJACENT TO ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL. HOW DOES THAT LOOK? THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL ACROSS INMAN THAT PART OF THE OUTLET CENTER PUD AND MULTIFAMILY PATIO HOME. WE'RE GOING TO PUT ENHANCED BUFFER ALONG OUR PROPERTY EDGE WHICH IT HAS BEEN FURTHER DEFINED TO ACTUALLY MEET THE PALM VALLEY OVERLAY CODE. THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE IN THERE ABOUT THE TREE COUNT, THE BUFFER AND HEIGHT AND EVERYTHING. LIKEWISE, THIS PUD IS EXEMPT FROM THE CURRENT CONCURRENCY. IN 2018, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE COUNTY ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE EXEMPTION FOR TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY ALL NONRESIDENTIAL. WHICH IS IN THIS CASE THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. A BUSINESS PARK INDUSTRIAL USE. FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND JOB CREATION IT SAYS IT. THE COUNTY SHALL ENCOURAGE RECRUITMENT OF BUZZ -- BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY TO ENHANCE THE ECONOMIC BASE AND CREATE JOBS. EXEMPTING TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL ENCOURAGE ECONOMIC DON'T. THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. THAT EXIST AT THIS MOMENT. WE STILL ARE TO PAY CONCURRENCY IMPACT FEES. THAT'S PART OF THE BUILDING PERMITTING PROCESS. WE'RE NOT GETTING EXEMPT FROM THAT. THIS IS FROM A PROP SHARE STANDPOINT FOR UNLIKE RESIDENTIAL. RESIDENTIAL AS WE SEE, SOMETIMES MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOWARDS AN IMPROVEMENT AREA. WE ARE RELATED TO ACCESS MANAGEMENT. THE PZA ASK US TO GO FROM OCTOBER 1ST AND OCTOBER 15TH TO STUDY THE INTERSECTION MOVEMENT. WE DID THAT. KIMLEY-HORN STUDIED AT THE A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOURS. THEY ANALYZED ALL THE MOVEMENTS. I HAVE A SLIDE DECK TO SHOW THAT. HE CAN COME UP AND EXPLAIN IT IN A LITTLE BIT. ALL OF THE -- WHEN THE LIGHTS TURN GREEN, THEY ALL CLEARED SENT EXCEPT FOR ONE CYCLE ON SINMAN. WE WOULD BE BOUND TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO HELP FIX THAT. IT'S BASICALLY WHEN YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT ACCESS MANAGEMENT IMPROVEMENT. YOU'RE NOT BOUND TO PROP SHARE. THAT'S THE ECONOMIC AND JOB CREATION COMPONENT OF THIS ORDINANCE. A COMPARISON FROM AS EVERYBODY TALKS, THIS MIGHT BE AMAZON PART TWO. THIS IS NOT AMAZON PART TWO. THIS IS A CONVENTIONAL BUSINESS PARK. THE RATIO FOR THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY, THE MAXIMUM LOT IS 70%. OURS IS 22%. YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT, YOU GOING FROM 125,000 SQUARE FEET TO AMAZON FACILITY TO 250,000 SQUARE FEET. THE IMPACT MUST BE DOUBLE ACROSS-THE-BOARD. IT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS PROMOTED. THE TENANTS. THIS IS MULTIPLE TENANT COMPARED TO SINGLE USER. AMAZON WENT ON BOTH SIDES OF INMAN. OVER 800 SPACES. OURS IS ONLY 449. WE PRODUCED LESS AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC THAN THE AMAZON FACILITY. SITE PRESERVATION OVER 55%. BUILDING HEIGHT, AMAZON IS 50. WE ARE 35 MAX. BUSINESS HOURS. AMAZON AS WE KNOW, I WAS THE [01:40:02] AGENT FOR THAT. THEY ARE 24/7, 365. THEY GOT DELIVERY VANS MAKING THE DELIVERIES. THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. THIS IS MORE OF A CONVENTIONAL TRADITIONAL BUSINESS HOURS REGARDING THE BUSINESS PARK. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. ANNUAL TAX REVENUE. THE TAXES ARE $22,000. VERSUS ALMOST 600,000-DOLLAR FOR THE PROPOSED BEAUTY COMING TO TAX REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY. EMPLOYMENT. PROJECT RIGHT NOW NOTHING PRODUCING ANYTHING. THERE'S ZERO EMPLOYMENT ON THE PROPERTY. 400 PLUS JOBS. WE ESTIMATE UP TO 6 OR 700 JOBS ON THIS PROPERTY FROM THE TANGENT OF THE BENEFITS OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL THE USERS. THIS IS MULTITENANT VERSUS SINGLE TENANT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'VE GOT FULL TEAM HERE. I LIKE TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC NOW OR THE BOARD IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> MR. WESTER, THE PROFFER NOT TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR DISTRIBUTION CENTER. IS THAT A NEW CHANGE? >> IT IS. ON OKAY 15TH, THERE WAS A BOARD MEMBER THAT ASKED THAT TO BE PUT IN THERE. WE'VE INCLUDED THAT. I SAID INHERENTLY THAT LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY IS MEANT TO QUELL THE NOTION THAT THIS IS AMAZON PART TWO. THAT DISTRIBUTION FACILITY LANGUAGE IS IN THERE. WE'VE ADDED THE 43RD. I GOT ALL THE PUDS HERE. I GOT ALL THE SPECIFIC SPECIES AND PLANT COUNT ON THAT ENHANCED BUFFER LISTED IN THIS NEW PUD AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. THROUGH THE CHAIR, DO WE HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS THAT CAME UP IN OUR BRIEFING YESTERDAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE KEVIN WITH -- COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROFFER. >> I AM I LIKE THE STAFF TO ADDRESS THAT. I'M NOT SURE HAS THIS BEEN PROVIDED TO STAFF WITH REGARD TO UPDATED PUD TEXT. >> I'LL SHOW IT RIGHT HERE. GIVE US A MINUTE. >> WE GOT THE GREEN LIGHT. YOU CAN SEE NUMBER 43 WAS ADDED THERE. WHEN I MET WALL THE COMMISSIONERS I SAID WE HAD 43 LIMITED USES ON THE PROPERTY. PROHIBITED ON THIS PROPERTY IS 43. MIKE ROBINSON PLANNER DIRECTOR KNEW WE WERE PROVIDING THAT BASED ON THE PZA DECISION. THE DECISION WAS 4-3 DENIAL. EVEN WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS SUGGESTED ADD THIS IN THERE WAS ONE OF THE DISSENTING VOTES. WE STILL ADDED THAT IN THERE. EVEN THROUGH A DISSENTING VOTE, WE ADDED THAT PROFFER. INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, INMAN STATE ROAD 16 WILL COMPLY DETERMINED BY THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. THAT IS IN THE 2018 CONCURRENCY ORDINANCE. PROHIBITING ANY BUSINESS RELATED VEHICLE THROUGH TRAFFIC ON OUTLET CENTER DRIVE AND ONLY TO USE INMAN ROAD. THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE PROVIDED. ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFER AT THE BOTTOM HERE WITH ADDITIONAL TREES AND SHRUBS AND WILL INCLUDE EVERGREEN SPECIES TREES WHICH ARE NOT LESS THAN SIX INCHES IN DIAMETER, 20 FEET IN HEIGHT WITHIN EIGHT FOOT PLEAD AND NOT MORE THAN 15 FEET APART. YOU CAN PICTURE CARS IF THEY HAPPEN TO PARK THERE. THAT'S BLOCKING ANY LIGHT. THIS ISN'T A 24/7 FACILITY. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS. PROVIDED ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY, INMAN ROAD ACROSS FROM ANY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOMES-IN THAT OUTLET CENTER PUD. WE'VE ADDED ALL THAT. THAT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL ENHANCED SCREENING AND BUFFERING BEYOND WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD IN OUR PUD. THE INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE ALL OF THAT BUT NOW WE'VE PUT THAT SPECIFICALLY IN WRITING SINCE THE PZA DECISION. I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND RECOMMENDATION. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE'VE ADDED 43 PROHIBITED USES. THIS IS A CONVENTIONAL, PRETTY STANDARD BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL PARK. YOU SEE THE TAXATION. YOU SEE THE JOB CREATION. YOU STAND BY IT. I HAVE MICHAEL MCNAUGHTLEY FROM REALTY LINK. I CAN BRING HIM UP AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU FOR GORE GO -- GOIG OVER THAT DETAIL. I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED THAT WE GET ASSURANCE FROM STAFF THAT THERE [01:45:03] IS A MEETING OF THE MIND AND EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE SO WE'RE DISCUSSING AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS AGENDA ITEM. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. JUST TO BE CLEAR, MR. WESTER IS ADDING THAT NEW MATERIAL FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, SHOULD YOU APPROVE THE PROJECT AND YOU LIKE THOSE NEW ADDITIONS YOU WOULD AMEND YOUR MOTION ACCORDINGLY IF YOU APPROVE THE PROJECT. >> TOM, I NEED YOU TO COME HELP WITH MICROPHONE UP HERE FOR COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. DO YOU WANT TO USE MINE? >> I KNOW THIS IS FARTHER THAN YOUR 250,000 SQUARE FEET. NO WAY TO LOWER THAT LITTLE BIT? >> THAT IS THE PER FORMA THAT MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WILL POINT TO THE MIXED USE, THAT'S A POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SETS THE DENSITIES AND INTENSITYS FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. AS A POLICY AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT IS SET, FAR70%. WE'RE AT 22. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THE MAXIMUM FAR COULD BE ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT MEETS THE OVERALL PRO FORMA AND NEEDS OF THIS USE INTO THE INDUSTRY. >> ARE YOU APPROVING ALL INMAN ROAD ALL THE WAY BACK? >> YES. >> TO THE FOP? >> YES. ALL THE WAIT TO THE. -- ALL THEWAY TO THE FOP. THE CALL DESEC W -- CULDESC WILL BE THE AT DOOR OF THE FOP. THIS WILL BE A COUNTY BUILT STANDARD ROAD. INMAN IS GOING TO LOOK DOWN STRAIGHT DOWN AS A NICE ROAD NOW. BUILT TO COUNTY STANDARD. THAT 60-FOOT EASEMENT WAS DEDICATED TO THE FOP BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS BACK IN THE MID-'80S. >> ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME WITH WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. >> GOOD MORNING. GEORGE, 558 DEAR FIELD ROAD. I NOTICE HE THE WETLAND. HE WAS BRAGGING WETLANDS THERE. THOSE WETLANDS THERE FOR A PURPOSE. IT'S NOT HE QUOTED, ALMOST 500 TRUCKS, TRANSMISSION FLUID, OILS. THAT'S NOT COUNTING 800 PARKING SPOTS, ASPHALT. WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING? TO A SMALL RETENTION POND, THIS BIG WHEN THE WETLANDS ARE THIS BIG. WHERE IS THAT WATER WILL END UP? IT WILL END UP IN THE WETLANDS. THEN WHERE IT WILL END UP? IT WILL END UP IN THE WELLS. THEY DID NOT DESIGNATE WHAT PART OF THE WETLAND WERE RECHARGE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO IT WILL YOU PEOPLE IS YOU GOT TO GET THE ST. JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN HERE TO PROTECT OUR WATER. IN THAT AREA, WE HAVE SALT WATER INTRUSION. EVERYBODY DRINKING FROM 60 TO 140-FOOT WELLS. THEY ARE ALL RECHARGED BY THE WETLANDS AND THE RECHARGE AREAS IN THE WETLANDS. HE IS LIKE SO PROUD OF THE WETLANDS WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY A RED FLAG. ALL THAT ASPHALT. ALL THOSE TRUCKS. ALL THOSE PARKING AREAS AND ALL THE COMMERCIAL, HEAVY COMMERCIAL, DIDN'T SAY WHAT KIND. WHAT KIND OF POLLUTION IS THAT GOING TO CAUSE TO THE WETLANDS AND TO THE RECHARGE AREAS. HE DID NOT SPEAK ONE WORD, NOT ONE. HE WAS PROUD TO SAY THAT HEY, WE'RE SAVING THIS WETLAND RIGHT HERE. YOU SAVING IT SO YOU CAN POLLUTE THE GROUND WATER. THE WELL WATER. PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA THAT LIVE OFF WELLS. THERE'S NO CITY WATER EXCEPT FOR SUBDIVISIONS. BUT THE EXISTING PEOPLE, THE LOCALS ARE DRINKING OUT OF WELLS. WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ISSUING A PUD OR EXPANDING IT OR DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROJECTION FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS. DO THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF AFFECT OUT GOING TO DO TO OUR DRINKING WATER. [01:50:01] WE CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT DRINKING WATER. WE'RE RUNNING OUT. WHAT WE HAVE GOT NOW. THE EXISTING PUDS, YOU TRYING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY BIGGER AND ADDING. YOU GOT TO GET THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HERE. YOU NEED TO GET ONE OF THEIR LAWYERS HERE AND GET THEM INVOLVED. THEY DO HAVE A SPECIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT DO THIS. I RECOMMEND FOR YOU ALL TO ASK THEM TO COME TO YOUR MEETINGS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I AGREE. >> I AGREE WITH TOM GEORGE. OUR PRECIOUS WATER SUPPLY IS BEING POLLUTED DROP BY DROP FROM ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS. HE'S AN EXPERT. HE DRILLED WELLS FOR LIVING FOR 40 YEARS. >> 58. >> 58. WOW. HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. I DENY THIS APPLICATION. ALSO, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DENY IT, WHY NOT REMAN TO IT PCA? I DON'T LIKE THE SNEAKY THE DEVELOPERS COMING UP HERE AND WANTING YOU TO CHANGE SOMETHING FROM WHAT THE PCA RECOMMENDED. THEY MAKE A LAST MINUTE CHANGE AND PROCEDURALLY IT SHOULD BE AT THE VERY LEAST REMANNED IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DENY IT. REMAND IT TO THE PZA FOR THEM TO CONSIDER THIS EVIDENCE. ALSO, WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL ITS HOLY DON'T ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS DON'T ANY OF THESE PZA TRANSMISSION HAVE A TRANSCRIPT? THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE A TRANSCRIPT. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT WITH THE COUNTY? WE CAN EASILY HAVE EVERY APPLICANT WHO COMES BEFORE YOU BRING A TRANSCRIPT INSTEAD OF THE EXPECT YOU TO WATCH THE VIDEO. REALLY? YOU'RE BUSY PEOPLE. SO ARE WE. I THINK IT'S REALLY OVERBEARING WHEN ON A MEETING WE HAD HERE AWFULLY LATE AT NIGHT, I THINK MAYBE THE SAME ATTORNEY SAID, YOU CAN WATCH THE VIDEO. YEAH, I CAN WATCH YOUTUBE TOO. WHY WOULD YOU I DO THAT? COME ON. FINALLY REMEMBERING THE LATE WILLIAM SAPPHIRE WHO WROTE THE BOOK "THE NEW LANGUAGE OF POLITICS." I WISH HE WAS ALIVE. THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY USED THE WORD COHABITATE. WHICH I THINK DICTIONARY DEFINITION IS A COUPLE LIVING TOGETHER WITHOUT BENEFIT OF MARRIAGE. I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF FUNKNY. HE USE USE -- FUNNY. HE USED IT THREE TIMES. CORPORATIONS CAN COHABITATE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS STRANGE USE OF THE WORD. VERY LEAST, IRREGULAR. WHY DID HE SAY COHABITATE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SEMANTICS ARE WE SUPPOSED TO THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT IS EROTIC IN SOME WAY? COME ON. PLEASE DENY THE REQUEST. IN MEMORY OF WILLIAM SAPPHIRE WHO WON THE PULITZER PRIZE FOR EXPOSING CORRUPTION. DO CHECK OUT THE NEW LANGUAGE OF POLITICS BY WILLIAM SAPPHIRE. I DON'T THINK HE WOULD APPROVE. I DON'T APPROVE OF COHABITATION FOR CORPORATIONS. CORPORATIONS FOR CONSENTING ADULTS BUT COHABITATION. THAT'S GOING TOO FAR. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. SO, I'M A MODEST GUY, MODERATE GUY. I'M SORRY FOR USING THIS LANGUAGE BEST OF THE WORST. BARE WITH ME. WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OPTIONS WHICH YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM OR DENY ALL OF THEM. REMEMBER THAT THE PZA VOTED FOR THREE RECOMMEND DENIAL. THEY HEARD THIS PRESENTATION. THEY DID HEAR OTHER ISSUES ABOUT STATE ROUTE 16. FOR MOST AMONG THE CONCERNS WERE THAT STATE ROUTE 16 AT INMAN ROAD IS 184%. AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, THAT IS COMMITTED UNBUILT BUT NOT YET APPROVED BUT NOT YET BUILT TRACK. WE'RE AND 184%. WHERE THERE'S JEFFERSON FOR DENIAL OF RESIDENTIAL, SO TOO DENIAL JUSTIFICATION DENIAL NONRESIDENTIAL. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. HOW MUCH MORE GETS ADDED TO 184. THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN US ONE DOCUMENT TO REVIEW. PULL THAT OUT OF PAGE 115 OUT OF THE INFORMATION PACKET. SAYS THAT 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF FLEX WAREHOUSE WILL ADD 85 TRIPS [01:55:05] AT P.M. PEAK HOUR. BUT, OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT SAYS 250,000 SQUARE FEET WILL ADD 154 PEAK TRIPS. TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ALSO SAID THAT I KNOW THIS IS NOT AMAZON, BUT THAT AMAZON TRAFFIC BACK IN THE DAY WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT 184. THEREFORE, NEITHER IS THIS FLEX WAREHOUSE TRAFFIC. WHAT ARE SOME CHOICES HERE? 250,000 SQUARE FEET FLEX WAREHOUSE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE DESIGN CAPACITY IS 3290 CARS. THAT'S WHAT STATE ROUTE 16 IS SUPPOSED TO HOLD. IT'S CURRENTLY AT 6062. THAT'S WHERE THE 184 COMES FROM. WHEN YOU DO SOME MATH, THE FLEX WAREHOUSE AND THE STAFF'S 154 CARS WILL PUSH THAT TO 189. YOU CUT IT IN HALF, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ASKED CAN WE CUT IT IN HALF. ONLY PUSHES IT TO 186. BY RIGHT, THIS IS MIXED USE 13 UNITS PER ACHIER. 342 APARTMENTS. I WENT TO AI, I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE STAFF INFORMATION ON THIS, IT PUSHES TO 188. YOUR FINAL OPTION IS TO DENY EVERYTHING AND LEAVE IT AT 184. IT'S HORRENDOUS. WE'LL REMAIN HORRENDOUS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO FIX THAT. WE GOT OURSELVES IN REAL BOX HERE. I LEAVE THE CHOICE TO YOU. I JUST PRESENT THESE AS THE FACTS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I ATTENDED ALL THE PZA MEETINGS. I SPOKE AT ALL OF THEM. I SENT LETTER TO THEM. I WANT TO COMMENT TODAY THAT AT THE LAST MEETING I HAD QUESTIONED ABOUT HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS IN AND OUT OF THE THERE WILL BE. HE TOLD ME THREE. HE MENTIONED TODAY FIVE. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT EXACTLY WILL BE PUT IN THESE BUILDINGS. IF THERE IS ONE BUILDING FULL OF DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, THAT'S GOING TO UP THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT. HOW CAN YOU STOP TRAFFIC GOING OUTLET BOULEVARD. THE TRUCKS. THERE IS NO PARKING ON OUTLET BOULEVARD. SOMETIMES PEOPLE STOP FOR SOME REASON OR OTHER OR AN ELECTRIC COMPANY NEED TO STOP AND CHECK SOMETHING. THERE IS NO PARKING. ZOOMING OF CARS AND MOTORCYCLES FROM HARLEY. IT'S ALREADY BUSY. THE OTHER THING AT THE LAST MEETING THEY MENTIONED ABOUT TRAFFIC. ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A WAL-MART GROCERY STORE AT THE CORNER WAWA. THAT WILL CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC. USING OUTLET BOULEVARD FOR TRUCKS AS A DIRECT ENTRANCE WILL BE THE EASIEST WAY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN. THEY'LL COME DOWN TO OUTLET TO GO RIGHT IN THE DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN'T STOP ANYONE FROM DRIVING OUTLET. NEW LIGHTS ON 16 ARE ALSO CAUSING DELAYS. I UNDERSTAND THE LIGHTS. I DO. ADDING MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC TO SEE WHAT EVERYTHING YOU APPROVED IS GOING TO BE BUILT WILL LOOK LIKE. PLEASE THINK ABOUT ALL THIS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. BETH BREEDING. I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST. I'M HERE JUST TO ASK PUT YOURSELF IN THE APPLICANT SHOES. YOU'RE A LANDOWNER. YOU HAVE A PUD. GREAT, THEY START GETTING THEIR PERMITS. THEY GET FAR ALONG AS YOUR PUD TIMELINE IS TICKING. THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE, YOU LOSE YOUR BUYER. YOU'RE SCRAMBLING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. YOUR TIME IS FIXING AWAY. YOU FINALLY COME UP WITH A PLAN ONLY TO REALIZE YOU NOW LOST YOUR ZONING. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED BY THIS BOARD IS NOT ONLY REQUESTED BUT IT IS DEMANDED WHEN YOU'RE IN MIXED USE WHICH THIS PROJECT IS, THAT YOU HAVE A MIX ONCE YOU'RE OVER A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OF [02:00:04] INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. HOW DOES SOMEONE THAT'S COMING IN WITH ONE OF THOSE USES NOW HAVE TO FIGHT A COMPATIBILITY ARGUMENT WHEN THEY ARE DOING WHAT'S DEMANDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SOMEONE GOT UP EARLIER I WAS LISTENING ON MY WAY HERE AND TALKING ABOUT THE RULES. THESE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE COME UP AS THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION OR DEVELOPERS. WE SAY WAIT, RECONSIDER THAT IDEA BECAUSE THIS IS HOW IT PLAYS OUT IN REAL LIFE. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE A COMPATIBILITY ARGUMENT. THERE'S RESIDENTIAL NEARBY AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE IT. PUT YOURSELF IN THE LANDOWNER SHOES. THEY HAVE TO PAY INSURANCE EVERY YEAR. THEY HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES YEAR. THEY HAD A ZONING. THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW COUNTIES WHERE SCO SCONE -- ZONING EXPIR. FOOD FOR THOUGHT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> TOM REYNOLDS. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT AGAIN, WHEN I HAD THAT GENTLEMAN SPEAK ON THE WATER ISSUES. IT'S VERY POWERFUL BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH. SINCE COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WAS SWORN IN ON THE THIRD TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER IN 2024, THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I HEAR. IS WATER. I'M NOT ONE TO LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. I CANNOT HELP BUT TO WONDER WHAT IS THE FEE WHEN THEY COME UP WITH A MAJOR MODIFICATION? WE USED TO BE HAVE SO MANY MAJOR MODIFICATIONS HERE. I THOUGHT MAYBE FINALLY WE WILL SETTLING DOWN. I SEE THEY ARE COMING BACK. THERE'S 100,000 WHEN THEY COME IN WITH A MAJOR MODIFICATION, IS IT 200,000. JUST THE FEE. I'M SURE THIS TAKES A LOT OF WORK. I WANT TO TELL YOU FOLKS. THE HARDEST PART ABOUT NOT LIKING THIS PARTICULAR THING GOING ON HERE IS THE GENTLEMAN SAID, 400 JOBS. MAYBE UP TO 600. THAT'S AWESOME. I HOPE WE CAN FIND SOME OTHER PLACE TO PUT THAT BECAUSE THAT 400 TO 600 JOBS WE KNOW NOBODY DRIVES, NOBODY CARPOOLS. THAT'S 400 TO 600 MORE CARS. THAT AREA IS TOUGH. TRULY, WHEN I'M HEADING TO THE HIGHWAY, I GOT TO PSYCH MYSELF UP FOR THAT AREA. THERE'S NO DOZING OFF. I DON'T KNOW THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR THAT AREA. I CANNOT HELP BUT TO WONDER IF THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT IS GOING TO REALLY MAKE THINGS REALLY BAD UP THERE. AS WE ALL KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GO INTO THE HIGHWAY NOW, IF THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE 207, THEY ARE TAKING THE 207. I HONESTLY HAVE BEEN ON THE 16 TO THE HIGHWAY, I CAN FINISH A DELUXE AND ORDER FRENCH FREEWAYS AND A MILK SHAKE BY THE TIME I GET ON THE HIGHWAY. IT IS REALLY TAKING A LONG TIME THERE. THIS ONE HERE I SAY THE WATER, THE TRAFFIC. YOU GOT TOUGH DECISION. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD MORNING. ST. AUGUSTINE RESIDENT. LISTENING TO ALL THIS, I AGREE WITH A COUPLE OF GENTLEMEN HERE. THE MAIN ISSUES SEEMS TO BE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION RIGHT ON THAT SECTION OF 16 WHERE INMAN COMES INTO IT. IT'S ALREADY OVER CAPACITY. THE ONE GENTLEMAN PRESENTED EVERYTHING IN PRINT SHOWING HOW MUCH OVER CAPACITY IT IS. THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT HAS STATED HIMSELF JUST NOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT SIGNS UP RESTRICTING TRAFFIC THROUGH THE OUTLET ROAD WHICH WILL BE THE ONLY OTHER IN AND OUT THERE. WHICH WOULD ADD TO THE TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE BOTTLENECK AT 16. HE ALSO MENTIONED 400 EMPLOYEES. LAST GENTLEMAN SAID, THAT'S 400 MORE CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE TWICE A DAY. YOU HAVE TO ADD THAT INTO THE EQUATION AT THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY AT 184% CAPACITY. I AGREE THAT THERE ARE MANY PROPERTIES IN THE AREA CLOSE THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE WELL SUITED FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO [02:05:05] WITH THIS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? COME ON UP. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE. THIS WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MAINLY THE TRACK CONCERN. THEY'RE GOING TO BE EMPLOYING ABOUT 400 TO 600 PEOPLE. THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE ROAD TRAFFIC ON INMAN ROAD, 4 TO 600 CONSIDERS EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON. OVERCROWDING ON STATE ROAD 16 WAS AT 184%. SO YOU WILL ADD MORE. I WILL ASK THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THIS AND USE COMMON SENSE. THE PZA, EVERY ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AT THE PZA HAD PAUSE WITH THIS PROJECT. THEY WERE LOOKING AND SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. THEN THEY TURNED IT AT FOUR AGAINST AND THREE FOR THE PROJECT. ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS THAT THE COMMISSION LOOK AT THIS PROJECT. IF ANY OF YOU LIVED IN THAT AREA, I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE SCREAMING. Y'ALL WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT TRACK ON A -- TRAFFIC ON A DAILY BASIS. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS NOT AT THIS TIME BUT PUSH IT OUT, GET STATE ROAD 16 STRAIGHTENED OUT FIRST. THERE'S OTHER PLACES THIS PROJECT CAN GO. STATE ROAD 207 WHERE OLD CAFE USED TO BE, THERE'S 111 ACRES THERE. THE PROJECT CAN GO THERE WITH NO ISSUES. ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR THE COMMISSION TOKING LOO THE AND SAY, NOT AT THIS TIME. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR? SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU GO. MIKE, -- I'M GOING TO BE ASKING PROBABLY A QUESTION THAT HAS TO DO WITH MORE WITH D.O.T. I WAS HOPING THAT WE HAVE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. MR. DEJESUS. THANK YOU. THERE'S COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. WHILE HE'S COMING UP HERE BRAD, IF YOU ALLOW ME TO ASK THIS QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA -- SOMEONE WHO LIVES AND WORKS NEAR THAT AREA, WHEN THEY FINALLY FINISH THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION 16 AND I-95 I SAW VAST IMPROVEMENT. IS THERE ANY MORE PLANS FOR D.O.T. TO IMPROVE CAPACITY THERE IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU KNOW OF? >> YES, SIR. DICK DEJESUS. D.O.T. DOES HAVE PLANS TO DO IMPROVEMENT. THEY ARE LOOKING AT SIDE OF 95. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF STATE ROAD 16. ON THIS SIDE WE'RE LOOKING AT ACCESS MANAGEMENT IMPROVEMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF DRIVEWAY OPENINGS. A LOT OF MEDIAN OPENS THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS WHICH ARE THE MOST DIFFICULT FOR UNRESTRICTED ACCESSES. WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IS ACCESS MANAGEMENT. WHAT THEY ARE DOING D.O.T. WISE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION. YOU GOT OPPOSING LEFTS ALL FOUR LEGS AND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO IS REDUCE THE PHASES THAT IS THE NUMBER OF MOVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE AT ANY PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. WE'RE MOVING A PHASE. ENTIRE MOVEMENT OUT THAT OPERATION. THERE'S MORE TIME FOR THE OTHER OPERATIONS TO GO. THAT'S REALLY WHAT D.O.T. IS LOOKING FOR. THERE ARE SOME PLANS OUT THERE. THERE'S A PUBLIC MEETING. >> THAT'S TODAY ISN'T IT? DID THEY CHANGE IT? >> I THINK IT'S TODAY. >> I THINK IT'S 3:00 THIS AFTERNOON. >> THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL THESE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO INCREASE ESSENTIALLY THE THROUGHPUT ON THE MAIN STATE ROAD 16 STILL AFFORDING TIME FOR THE SIDE STREETS TO HAVE SAFE MOVEMENT TO GET OUT. >> THANK YOU. WHAT DOES THIS ENTITLED FOR NOW? [02:10:07] >> CURRENTLY, THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE A MIXED USE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CATEGORY. THEN THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY PUD. IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THERE'S A SUNSET THAT YOU HAVE TO INCORPORATE INTO A PUD WRITTEN DESCRIPTION. IF ADOPTED YOU MUST HAVE A COMMENT DATE TO -- COMMENCEMENT DATE APPROVED. YOU CAN DECIDE DEPENDING ON THE SCALE AND SIZE OF A PROJECT IT CAN BE 10, 15 YEARS. IT COULD BE TWO, THREE TO ONE YEAR. THIS ONE CLEARLY WHEN WE WERE TEEING IT UP WITH AMAZON, IT WAS GOING TO BE SHOVEL READY BEFORE THEY CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY. THAT'S HOW AMAZON DOES IT. IT GOT THERE. IT GOT SHOVEL READY. THE ENTITLEMENTS INCLUDE THIS BUT IN ORDER TO ENACT OR REENACT THAT PUD, THE ZONING, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MAJOR MODIFICATION PROCESS. WHAT THAT DOES IS ESTABLISH NEW DATES. I WILL GO TO THE PZA. I GO TO THE BCC JUST TO ESTABLISH NEW DATES IF AMAZON CAME BACK TO USE THAT FACILITY AGAIN. LET'S SAY ANOTHER END USER WANTED THAT SAME LAYOUT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO BOTH BOARDS AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION JUST TO SAY WE NEED ANOTHER TWO OR THREE YEARS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. THAT'S HOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN. >> OKAY, THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WE WILL COME BACK -- MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY MAJOR MOD 2025-12. ST. AUGUSTINE INMAN PUD BASED ON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THAT COMES FROM CONFIDENCE AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON THE RECORD AND REALLY A BIG PART OF THAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THAT ROAD, THE FACT IT IS OVER 184% AT THIS TIME. ALSO, BY ADDING THOSE ADDITIONAL SIGNS ON OUTLET CENTER DRIVE, NOT THAT CAN BE ENFORCEABLE, I DO SEE MORE TRAFFIC BEING ROUTED TO 16. VERY CROWDED ROAD. >> I SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-1. THAT DENIAL PASSES 4-1. >> WAS I ABLE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO REBUT? >> YOU DIDN'T REBUT. >> I DID NOT. YOU ASKED ME ONE QUESTION AND THEN THEN WE BROUGHT UP. >> WE VOTED ON THAT. IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH -- WHAT'S THE FANCY WORD FOR IT? PROCEDURE? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, YOU MAY REOPEN. I BELIEVE YOU DID REBUT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU NEED YOU MAY ASK MR. WESTER FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. >> I DID NOT HAVE MY EVIDENCE INTO RECORD UNDER TESTIMONY BASED ON ALL THE REBUTTAL ITEMS BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT DUE PROCESS. >> INSURANCE YOU CAN BRING HIM -- SURE, YOU CAN BRING HIM UP AND HE CAN REBUT AND YOU HAVE TO REOPEN THE MOTION. >> ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO DO IS TAKEWAY YOUR DUE PROCESS. IF YOU LIKE TO REBUT. PLEASE DO. >> THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT RESOURCE PERMIT AND HAVING THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HERE. THE AMAZON ST. JOHNS RIVER PERMIT IS PERMIT NUMBER 109382-8. WE WILL MODIFY THAT PERMIT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. ALL THE PROFESSIONALS AND THE EXPERTS AT THE DISTRICT OPINED FOR THE SHOVEL READY PROJECT. WE WOULD MODIFY THAT EXISTING PERMIT. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WATER. WE HAVE A WATER SEWER AVAILABILITY LETTER FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS ONE, THERE WERE CHANGES BETWEEN OCTOBER 1ST AND OCTOBER 15TH FOR BETWEEN THE TWO PZA HEARINGS. WE PLOYED -- WE PROVIDED ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THEY CANDIDATE. ONLY LAST THING IS ADDITIONAL ITEM. OUTLET CENTER DRIVE GOT PUBLIC USE EASEMENT. IT IS LOUD. BUT THAT WAS A REQUEST [02:15:01] SPECIFICALLY. WE INCLUDED THAT IN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION. I WANT TO BRING UP MY TRAFFIC ENGINEER. PZA SPECIFICALLY ASKED US TO GO OVER THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND MOVEMENTS. MR. DEJESUS JUST TESTIFIED ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION MOVEMENTS. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE BOUND TO PER THE 2018 CONCURRENCY EXEMPTION ORDINANCE. CAN WE CUE UP MY POWERPOINT. WHICH IS TRAFFIC RELATED? THERE WAS ANOTHER POWERPOINT THAT I UPLOADED. IT WAS TRAFFIC RELATED. THIS IS THE PZA ASKED SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN OCTOBER 1ST AND OCTOBER 15TH TO STUDY THE ROADWAYS OUT THERE. STUDY THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS ALL THE TURNING. I LIKE TO BRING HIM UP TO DESCRIBE THAT BASED ON HIS DATA COLLECTION AND HIS FINDINGS. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M WITH KIMLEY-HORN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. LIKE MR. WESTER SAID, AFTER OUR FIRST PZA HEARING, THEY HAD ASKED TO GO AND LOOK AT THESE TWO SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS AT STATE ROAD 16 TO DETERMINE THEIR ABILITY TO HANDLE INBOUND AND OUTBOUND TRAFFIC. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY. IT IS NOT EXEMPT FROM MEETING SITE ACCESS FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WHEN YOU LOOKING AT SIDE ACCESS, CAN THE SIGNALS HANDLE THE TRAFFIC HANDLE INBOUND AND OUTBOUND TRACK. WE WENT OUT A TUESDAY A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOURSES. WE LOOKED A THE INTERSECTIONS. ALL OF THERE IS LONG CUES IN THE THROUGH LA LANES ON STATE ROAD . TURNING MOVEMENTS IN AND OUT THE MOVEMENTS THAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN ARE ACTUALLY OPERATED PRETTY DARN WELL. IN THE A.M. PEAK HOUR, BOTH INTERSECTIONS AS FAR AS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND ARE OPERATING WELL. EITHER THE MOVEMENTS ARE CLEARING EVER SINGLE CYCLE ATMAN ROAD THEY CLEARED ALMOST EVERY CYCLE. IF YOU GO TO THE P.M. SLIDE. THE P.M. SLIDE YOU SEE THE ONE MOVEMENT IN RED WHICH IS THE LEFT TURN INBOUND MOVEMENT ON TO INMAN ROAD. DURING THE P.M. THAT MOVEMENT ONLY CLEARED ABOUT HALF OF THE CYCLES OBSERVED. HOWEVER, FOR THE SUBJECT PROJECT DURING THE P.M., OUR TRAFFIC IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS OUTBOUND. THAT OUTBOUND CUE CLEARED EVER SINGLE TIME. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE A A LOT OF INBOUND TRIP. YOU CAN SEE THEY WOULD USE OUTLET MALL BOULEVARD TO GET TO THE PROJECT. THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PROHIBITING TRAFFIC ON OUTLET MALL BOULEVARD. THAT'S JUST THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. 90 PLUS PERCENT OF THE PROJECT TRAFFIC THAT'S NON-TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL USE OUTLET MALL BOULEVARD. WE EXPECT THE SIGNALS OUT THERE DO HAVE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS IN AND OUT CREATED BY THE PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. >> I LIKE TO -- >> BEFORE YOU MOVE FROM THIS. GO BACK TO THE A.M. AND P.M. PEAK HOURS PICTURE? P.M. PEAK HOUR. >> IT IS JUST ONE INBOUND STATE ROUTE 16 ON TO INMAN BETWEEN 4 AND 6:00 P.M. THOSE ARE FOLKS LIKELY GOING TO CHICK-FIL-A, WAWA AND OTHER PLACES. OURS IS COME OUT OF INMAN ON TO STATE ROAD 16. IT ALL STAYS GREEN. >> ARE YOU USING THE SAME PICTURE? FOR A.M. AND P.M.? >> YES. >> THESE ARE SCREEN SHOTS FROM THE DATABASE FROM 2026. >> I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT UP USING TO REPRESENT WHAT TRACK WOULD LOOK LIKE AT A.M. AND P.M. HOURS. >> THE AREA AND TESTIMONY ARE ARE THE FINDINGS HERE UNDER TESTIMONY. THIS IS JUST SCREEN SHOTSES FROM 2026 FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S DATABASE. [02:20:02] >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NOT A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THIS IS REPRESENTING. >> SCREEN SHOTS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. I LIKE TO BRING UP TO DESCRIBE MORE ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THE BUSINESS PARK AND POTENTIAL END USERS. SINCE THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS 125,000 SQUARE FOOT MODIFICATION BEING DRAMATIC. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IT IS. IT'S A DRAMATIC DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN TERMS OF 850 PARKING SPACES, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. IT'S A DRAMATIC DEPARTURE FROM THE FUNCTION USE AND TYPE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS BOARD. AS A RESIDENT, I INTENTIONALLY CURATED A BUSINESS PLAN TO SOFTEN, DIMINISH AND CURATE A TENANT PROFILE WITH SIX SMALL BUILDINGS, NONE OF WHICH OVER 50,000 SQUARE FEET WHICH WILL HOUSE AND OFFER BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES TO YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. THE POOL GUY. THE GUTTER GUY. THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT GUY. THIS IS NOT A DISTRIBUTION CENTER. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CURTAILED THE VIABILITY OF THIS PROPERTY BY 43 SPECIFIC INCIDENTS TO FIT THE METRIC AND THE NEED AND CHARACTER WHAT IS A VERY CONTEXTUAL DEVELOPMENT IN A MIXED USE PROJECT APPROXIMATE TO THE INTERSTATE. AS PART OF THE ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN THAT MIXED USE DESIGNATION. IT'S DRAMATIC IN TERMS OF ITS JOB CREATION. IT'S DRAMATIC IN TERMS OF THE TAXES THIS PROJECT WILL YIELD FROM 22,000 TO NEARLY 600,000-DOLLAR PER YEAR. IT'S DRAMATIC IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE COUNTY STAFF ON THE COUNTY PAYROLL TRAVELING OVERSEAS TO BRING INVESTMENTS WELL HERE IT IS. HERE'S THE JOB CREATION. HERE'S THE TAX GROWTH. THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY NEEDS. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE BRINGING YOU. IT'S AT YOUR FEET. THE PROPERTY IS ESSENTIALLY BEING CONSTRUCTIVELY CONDEMNED BY NOT ALLOWING A PROJECT TO BE BUILT HERE. THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY SUPPRESSING THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THIS COUNTY WHICH THROUGH TIME AND MEMORIAM HAVE BEEN STATED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AT ELECTED LEVEL AND AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WE NEED MORE OF THAT. HERE IT IS. I BEG YOU TO AS A RESIDENT OF THIS COUNTY AND VOTER AND TAXPAYER, TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT AND I ALSO WOULD ASK THE SELLER OF THE PROJECT TO COME UP WHO HAS GONE THROUGH HELL TRYING TO ALLOW THIS PROPERTY TO EXPLORE ITS RIGHTS AND DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THIS COUNTY AND THIS COMMUNITY. >> I LIKE TO ASK MR. JOHN STEPHENS TO COME UP AND DESCRIBE IT. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. JOHN STEVENS, 187 SOUTH ROSCOE BOULEVARD. PALM VALLEY, FLORIDA. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY NOW FOR 20 YEARS. MY WIFE TEACHES IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. MY CHILDREN ATTENDED GRADUATED SCHOOLS. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE FAMILY THAT OWNS THIS PROPERTY. IN APRIL 2014, OUR FAMILY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM THE INMAN FAMILY THROUGH MY LATE FATHER-IN-LAW, ED RON WHO PASSED IN 2021. DEVELOPING SOMETHING MEANINGFUL FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND CREATING LASTING INVESTMENT FOR HIS FAMILY. UNFORTUNATELY, AS ED GREW OLDER HE DEVELOPED SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS INCLUDING TUMORS AND DURING THAT TIME, HE ENTERED INTO BUSINESS PARTNERSHIPS THAT DEVASTATING FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR FAMILY. OVER THE YEARS, OUR FAMILY HAS INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PURSUING DEVELOPMENT THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED. SINCE ED'S PASSING, I HAVE SPENT PAST FIVE YEARS MANAGING THIS PROPERTY AND CARING SUBSTANTIAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS RESULTING FROM PRIOR BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP ENTERED INTO WHILE HIS HEALTH DECLINED. I SHARED THIS HISTORY NOT ASK FOR HISTORY AND TO FIND A REASONABLE PATH FORWARD. OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS BEEN TO FIND A PROJECT THAT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE FOR OUR FAMILY WHILE ALSO BENEFITING ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL ACCOMPLISHES BOTH. I RECOGNIZE RESPECTED CONCERNS [02:25:03] OF RESIDENTS REGARDING TRAFFIC, NOISE, LIGHTING AND I RESPECT THE LONG STANDING PRESENCE OF THE FOP SHOOTING RANGE AND ITS ROLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE CONTINUE OPERATION OF FOP SHOULD NOT BE MUTUALLILY EXCLUSIVE. THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS WORKED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THROUGH MEANINGFUL MODIFICATION TO THE PROJECT AND BUFFERING AND ACCESS. THOSE EFFORTS DESERVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. I ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THE PROPERTY'S HISTORY OVER THE YEARS IT'S BEEN APPROVE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, MOTOR HOME RESORT AND DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. YET, MORE THAN 12 YEARS AFTER MY FATHER PURCHASED THIS LAND, IT REMAINS UNDEVELOPED. REJECTING THIS PROPOSAL WILL NOT ELIMINATE THE PROPERTY'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OR GUARANTEE FUTURE PROJECT WILL HAVE FEWER IMPACTS. THIS PROJECT OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES, CREATE JOBS, GENERATE TAX REVENUE. COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO DISREGARD NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS. WE'RE ASKING YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN HEARD. MEANINGFUL CHANGES WILL BE MADE. REASONABLE BALANCE IS POSSIBLE. MY FATHER-IN-LAW BEGAN THIS JOURNEY WITH A VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY. AS HIS SON-IN-LAW, I WANT TO SEE THAT VISION BECOME A REALITY. NOT FOR OUR FAMILY'S FINANCIAL RECOVERY BUT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS A POSITIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED PUD FOR INMAN ROAD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. BRAD WESTER. I FOLLOW-UP ONE MORE THING. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS DESIGNATED MIX USE. IT HAS STAYED THAT FOR 2025 AND NOW TO 2050 AS ADOPTED. THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AND SOME ODD SLANDEROUS REMARKS ABOUT WHAT COHABITATE MEANS. IT ACTUALLY MEANS COEXIST. THE WORD COEXIST IS IN YOUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND POLICY A1411. IT TALK WILL LAND AND BUSINESS CAN LIVE HARMONIOUSLY IN MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S NO DIFFERENT WHAT'S HERE. TRAFFIC WHAT IT IS ON STATE ROAD 16. DOES IT NEED TO BE IMPROVED? ABSOLUTELY. THE FOLKS TEND TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ARE PART OF THE TRAFFIC ITSELF. WE HAD OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER GO OUT THERE. THE STANDARD WE ARE HELD TO IS ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARD. THAT'S THE COUNTY 2018 ADOPTED ORDINANCE. ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARD. WITH STUDIED THAT. WE'VE SHOWN HERE ONLY ONE INBOUND ON P.M. PEAK HOUR IS DEFICIENT IN TERMS OF CLEARING THE FULL GREEN. WE ARE CONVENTIONAL. WE'RE NOT AMAZON, MEANING THE OUTFLOW FROM P.M. PEAK HOUR IS MORE CONVENTIONAL CONVENTION FLOW, OUT INMAN AND IT WORKS. THIS ISLESS AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC. I'M SAYING THIS NOW. THIS IS LESS AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC THAN THE AMAZON FACILITY. $600,000 AND ANNUAL GROSS TAX REVENUE IN PERPETUITY TO PUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY BACKS IN PRODUCTION INTO THE COUNTY. FOR JOBS. EVERYBODY SAYS WE ARE ROOFTOP FATIGUE. WE NEED MORE TO OFFSET THE EXISTING. YOU HAVE IT HERE. RIGHT HERE. WE'VE GOT A DEVELOPMENT COMING FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. DIDN'T NEED TO BE LOBBIED FROM OVERSEAS TO COME HERE. THEY ARE HERE ON THEIR OWN EXTENDING THIS OFFER TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO DEVELOP THIS FOR JOBS, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I ASK FOR YOUR RECONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL. >> ONE LAST POINT AS WELL. WE ALSO HAVE COMMITTED TO PUT 55% OF THE PROPERTY INTO PERPETUAL CONSERVATION EASEMET. THAT'S THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE PERMANENTLY PROTECTED AND PLACED INTO CONSERVATION. THE LOW DENSITY, THE LOW F A, R, THE PROTECTION OF THE LANDS WILL DO. THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING AND COMMITTED HERE AT THIS TIME. THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT TO HAVE ITS BEST PROPOSAL FOR THE COMMUNITY, CONTEXTUAL TO THE MARKET WITH AN UPLIFTING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. I'M HAPPY TO EARN YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TIMING OF THIS AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT, WHEN YOU MENTION 400 WORKERS OR 600 WORKERS. THEY ARE COMING AND GOING WORKING AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO WILL VISIT THAT PLACE ON TOP OF THAT. [02:30:01] WHEN I LISTEN TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, I KNOW HE'S TRYING TO SET UP SOMETHING FOR HIS FAMILY FOR THE FUTURE AND INCOME WHICH IS THEY RENT OUT THE FLEX SPACES OR SOMEONE ELSE RUNS THE WHOLE THING. I GUESS BOAT STORAGE, THERE'S LOW TRAFFIC IDEAS. YOU KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT USES YOU CAN FIND FOR THAT PIECE. MAKE IT WORK AND SORRY. >> WELL, THE TIMING YOU HIT THE NAIL ON HEAD. THE TIMING IS CRITICAL FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE TIMING IS CRITICAL TO HAVE MORE TAX REVENUE INTO THE COIFFURES OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YOU GOT A GROUP HERE THAT'S WILLING TO DEVELOP THIS AND MANAGE THIS FOR JOB ECONOMIC. WHAT FOLKS ARE ALSO NOT CONSIDERING IS INTERNAL CAPTURE. THERE'S HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN OUTLET CENTER. IT IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT THOSE FOLKS ALSO GAIN EMPLOYMENT IN THIS BUSINESS PARK OR THEIR KIDS WILL GAIN EMPLOYMENT IN THIS BUSINESS PARK OR OTHERS. THERE'S ALSO INTERNAL CAPTURE. IT'S NOT ONLY PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT BUT IT'S PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS. PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET LOST IN THIS NARRATIVE THERE'S THIS MASSIVE INFLUX FLUX INTO THIS BUSINESS PARK. THIS IS FOR MOM AND POP SHOPS UP TO POTENTIAL NATIONAL BRANDS. IT'S RIGHT AND IT'S NEEDED FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT IS INDICATIVE OF THE 2018 ORDINANCE THAT THIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER APPROVED THAT'S STILL IN EXISTENCE. JOB CREATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HERE WE ARE. >> IN ADDITION TO THAT, SOME OF THE SUGGESTED SOLUTIONS FOR THE PROPERTY WERE THE ONES THAT WE WERE ASKED TO REMOVE FROM USE OF THIS PROPERTY. >> WHICH INHERENTING REDUCING TRAFFIC. WE ARE HELD TO A CERTAIN ITE CODE IN THE STANDARD WHICH IS BUSINESS PARK. >> IS THERE A CONTRACT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SELL IF THIS IS APPROVED? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. STEVENS. IS THE PROPERTY OWNER. I HAVE THE LANDOWNER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE FROM HIM PENDING THE APPROVAL. >> YOU FIND A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND PUT A CONTRACT ON. >> THERE'S BEEN NEARLY TWO YEARS WORTH OF WORK TO PUT IN THIS MOMENT TODAY ON BEHALF THIS COUNTY AND THIS PROPERTY. >> WE LISTENED TO THE RESIDENTS AND LISTENED TO THE PZA AND WE INCORPORATING THEM IN THE PUD. I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. >> I MAKE MOTION TO DENY MAJOR MOD FLORIDA ST. AUGUSTINE PUD BASE ON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING I SAID EARLIER. AGAIN IT BACK TO THAT ROAD THAT'S OVER 184% CAPACITY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. THAT AGAIN IS DENIED 4-1. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK ON THIS ONE. [Items 5 & 6] LET'S GO TO NUMBER 5. CASEY DENDAR. WE'RE GOING TO ADD THEM TOGETHER. LET'S DO EX PARTE ON 6. >> HOLD ON A SECOND. >> WE CAN DO THESE TOGETHER RIGHT? WE NEED TO DO EX PARTE FOR 6 FOR 5 AND 6. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I HAD SEVEN E-MAILS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I ALSO SPOKE WITH HUGH MATTHEWS OF THE ETM. >> MS. JOSEPH. >> I HAD SIX MORE. MEETING WITH CASEY DENDOR. I BEEN TO THE SITE OF THEIR ORIGINAL CHURCH. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I HAVE THREE E-MAILS. MET WITH CASEY DENDOR AND THE WHOLE APPLICANT TEAM HERE IN THE OFFICE. ALSO A CALL FROM CASEY DENDOR YESTERDAY ASKING ME IF I HAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. I HAD NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> I GOT E-MAILS ON THIS APPLICATION. MEETING WITH APPLICANT CASEY DENDOR. AND MASSTOR HEATH AND STAFF. >> I HAD EIGHT OR MORE E-MAILS FOR THIS ITEM. I HAD A PHONE CONFERENCE WITH SMITH MEETING WITH CASEY DENDOR I BEEN OUT TO THE SITE A COUPLE OF TIMES. MAY HAVE STEPPED IN COW POOP MORE THAN ONCE OUT THERE. I WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT. [02:35:03] YOU NOW HAVE THE FLOOR. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M PASTOR AT THE BAPTIST CHURCH HERE ST. JOHNS COUNTY. FRUIT COVE HAS BEEN A CHURCH THIS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS. SERVING IN THE FAR NORTHWEST CORNER IN THE FRUIT COVE AREA. FOR THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE PROPERTY DOWN IN THE 1616A AREA OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE WERE ABLE TO EXPAND THAT PROPERTY HOLDING AND REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT GOD'S GIVEN US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE THE MISSION THAT HE'S GIVEN US AS A CHURCH. WE WANT TO BE A CHURCH THAT SEES GOD AWAKEN THE GENERATIONS AND THE HOPE OF JESUS. WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE ANSWER TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE BELIEVE IT'S THE ANSWER TO HURTING FAMILIES. IT'S A ANSWER TO A LOT OF NEEDS IN OUR SOCIETY. WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO NOT JUST BE A CHURCH IN FRUIT COVE BUT TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THE RESOURCES GOD GIVEN US TO EXPAND MINISTRY OPPORTUNITIES DOWN INTO THIS NEW PART COUNTY. A COUNTY PLACE OF THE COUNTY THAT'S DRAMATICALLY UNDERSERVED BY CHURCHES LIKE OURS AND WITH RESOURCES LIKE OURS. MUCH WHAT WE DO AS A CHURCH DIRECTLY RELATE TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY WITH SPORTS LIFE MINISTRY AND COUNSELING MINISTRIES AND YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF OUR CHURCH MEMBERS THIS MORNING WHEN WE ACKNOWLEDGED OUR FOSTER ADOPTIVE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE WORK OF THE GOSPEL ACROSS THE COUNTY MORE BROADLY. WITH THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER A REZONING TO HELP US BEST MAXIMIZE WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE WORK OF EXPANDING THE KINGDOM. TO GET IN THE AREA AND TO BE ABLE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE'VE HAD THE DO OF CONVERSATIONS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. THE THING I WANT MORE THAN ANYTHING FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT FRUIT COVE, OUR DESIRE IS TO BE A BLESSING NOT A BURDEN TO OUR COMMUNITY. OUR DESIRE IS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TO NOT JUST POINT PEOPLE TO THE LOVE OF JESUS BUT TO SHOW THEM THE LOVE OF JESUS AND THE THINGS THAT WE DO AND THE WAIT WE OPERATE. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR REQUESTS FOR REZONING TODAY. I WANTED YOU TO HEAR IF ME FIRST AS THE PASTOR SO YOU CAN HAVE UNDERSTANDING THE HART OF OUR CHURCH. WE WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY. WE BELIEVE THAT'S TO INTRODUCE THANK YOU. >> AMEN. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. CASEY DENDOR WITH ENGLAND-THIMS MILLER. THIS IS FOR PLANNED AMENDMENT TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL. CAN WE GET THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION PULLED UP PLEASE? E.ED TO TOUCH ON THE EXISTING CAMPUS THAT'S ON STATE ROAD THROWN IN THE FRUIT COVE. THAT PROPERTY IS 19 ACHERS OF THE CHURCH SANCTUARY ALL THEIR MINISTRIES, THE CHURCH OFFICES, SPORTS FIELDS AND ON SITE PARKING. IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE 19-ACRE PARCEL IS COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS. THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP, DOUGHNUT SHOP. THERE'S A WING PLACE, SANDWICH SHOP AND SOME MEXICAN RESTAURANT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CHURCH HAS REALLY FOUND WITH ADJACENCY TO THIS COMMERCIAL, THEY HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE ANOTHER. BEING ABLE TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE CONGREGATION GO TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA TO MEET WITH OTHERS FOR COFFEE OR SANDWICH, BEING ABLE TO MEET WITH PARISHIONER MEMBERS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. IT'S BEEN TRULY A BENEFIT FOR THE FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CHURCH. WITH THEIR PROPERTY ON COUNTY ROAD 16A, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLICATE THIS CONCEPT AND SO, THE PROPERTY AS PASTOR HEATH MENTIONED IS AN ADDITIONAL LOCATION. THIS WOULD NOT BE A RELOCATION. TAKING A LOOK AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG COUNTY ROAD 16A JUST WEST OF THE STATE ROAD 16 INTERSECTION AT SILVERLAKE PARKWAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. THIS IS THE NINE AND A HALF ACRE PORTION. HOWEVER, THE CHURCH DOES OWN THAT ENTIRE AREA THAT SEEMS TO BE CLEARED OUT. IT IS AN EXISTING PASTURE. OUT ABOUT 29 ACRES IN THE AREA. IT'S INTENDED TO PROVIDE [02:40:06] SERVICES TO THE NEARBY SURROUNDING COMPLAIN. AS PART OF THAT, WE'RE PROPOSING A TEXT POLICY RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'LL TOUCH ON IT LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER SITE PLANS WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT. WHAT THAT TEXT AMENDMENT PROPOSES, 50-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE IN LIEU 35-FOOT REQUIREMENT. HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN AND NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL PARCEL. THEY PROPOSE A 20-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ADJACENT EAST. THEY REQUESTING NO DEVELOPMENT EDGE REQUIREMENT ADJACENT TO THE LAND OWNED BY THE CHURCH. WHAT THAT POLICY REQUIRES IS THAT IF APPROVED BY THE BOARD TODAY, BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION OR CIVIL SITE WORK APPLICATIONS WOULD BE ISSUED BY THE COUNTY. A MASTER SITE PLAN WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FOR APPROVAL. THAT WILL SHOW THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. ONCE THE PZA HAD THAT PUBLIC HEARING APPROVING THAT MASTER SITE PLAN, THEN THE STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO RELEASE ANY CIVIL PLANS ON THAT PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITH PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL NODE AND DOES HAVE THAT COMPATIBILITY AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. ACROSS THE STREET IN SILVER LEAF, THAT IS THEIR COMMERCIAL NODE AND 16A. AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA AND THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S ABOUT 9.5 ACRES OF THAT FULL 29-ACRE TRACK. ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CHURCH. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE EDGES ARE. YOU HAVE 50-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PARCEL. MAINTAINING 35-FOOT REQUIREMENT ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE WE HAVE ARBOR MILLS HOA TRACK. YOU'RE PROVIDING MORE THAN 230 FEET FROM THE BACKS OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. HERE'S A MORE ZOOMED IN IMAGE OF THAT. HOW THOSE IMAGES PLAY OUT ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING DURING THAT MEETING WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT SOME OF THE PROPOSED USES ON THE PROPERTY. UNDER THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DESIGNATION. WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT BACK AND MET WITH THE CHURCH AND WE NAILED DOWN SOME USES THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED ON THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD INCLUDE BILLIARDS, BED IN BREAKFAST, PERSONAL STORAGE, RV BOAT STORAGE, GROUP HUBS, SIDE KICKINGS, COMMUTE ARENAS TREATMENT FACILITIES WITH HOUSING, PACKAGE LIQUOR STATE -- SALES. ALL OF THOSE WILL BE PROHIBITED ON THE PROPERTY ON THAT 9.5-ACRE TRACK. THEY WOULD HAVE LIMITED USES TO THE EASTERN PARCEL THAT WOULD BE MORE INTENSE IN NATURE. THAT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET FROM THOSE HOUSES. THOSE USES LIMITED TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE MORE INTENSE SUCH AS GAS STATIONS, CAR WASH FACILITIES, TIRE AND SALE AND OIL CHANGE FACILITIES. HOWEVER, I WILL MENTION THAT THE CHURCH WILL RETAIN RESTRICTIONS OVER THAT PROPERTY. WE HEARD DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT BALD EAGLES IN THE AREA. WE DID MEET WHY YOUR STAFF AND CONFIRMED THAT THE MAP SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE LATEST OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF ANY BALD EAGLE NEST IN THE AREA. THE CLOSEST KNOWN NEST IS APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF MILES FROM SUBJECT PROPERTY. IN SUMMARY, WE DID HAVE [02:45:14] COMMUNITY MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 23RD. WE ATTENDED PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND GOT RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, 7-0. WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND WE ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY, AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 5 AND 6. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M VANESSA SIZEMORE. I RESIDE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPOSED PROPERTY. SO, BASICALLY MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. THERE ARE NO TURN LANES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT. I WANTED TO POINT OUT IF YOU CAN SEE MY -- CAN I DISPLAY THIS? >> JUST SET IT UP THERE. THEY'LL FIX IT. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT SOME THINGS. THERE'S SEVERAL ENTRANCES ON 16A THAT HAVE NO TURN LANES AT ALL. BEFORE SUCH APPROVAL FOR THIS PROPERTY I LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY BE DONE AND CONSIDER PUTTING IN TURN LANES. NOT ONLY FOR THIS PROPERTY BUT WHAT IS PROPOSED ACROSS THE STREET. IF YOU SEE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE HERE. THIS IS 16 COMING UP FROM THE EAST AND THEN TURNS HERE. THE PROPOSED PROPERTY IS THIS IN ORANGE. THEIR ENTRANCES ON TO 16A, HERE AND HERE WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE PROPOSED PROPERTY FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO BE AND STILL HARRIS TEETER AND SILVER LEAF PARCEL. ON THE LEFT WE HAVE U-HAUL WHICH WHATS A VERY SHORT TURN LANE. IT'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH FOR A TRUCK PULLING A TRAILER TO GET INTO GOING NORTH. THEN, YOU HAVE NO TURN LANES FOR THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FROM THE CHURCH AND THERE'S A TURN LANE TO THE RIGHT GOING WEST FOR THE CHURCH THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE. THERE'S NO TURN LANE FOR THE FRUIT TREES ONLY AND THERE'S A VERY SHORT TURN LANE TOWARDS THE CREEK. THIS ENTIRE AREA I WOULD SUSPECT IS OVER ITS LIMIT FOR TRAFFIC. WE HAVE UP HERE ON THE NORTH END THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY COMING IN, PLUS A LOT MORE BUILDING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REQUEST THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY BE DONE AND POTENTIAL TURN LANES BE REQUIRED BEFORE ANY -- NOT JUST FOR CHURCH BUT ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING IN THAT AREA. IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO TRY TO GET IN AND OUT OUR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE DUMP TRUCKS COMING EAST OR WEST FROM THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THE DUMP TRUCKS, DURING RUSH HOUR, YOU'LL SEE FOUR TO SIX DUMP TRUCKS AT THE THIS INTERSECTION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD MORNING. I'M CHARLES SIZEMORE. COMMISSIONER AROUND NOEL, THANK --COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. VANESSA WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH THIS PARCEL PROPERTY WITH 16A. MY OBSERVATION THIS MORNING LISTENING TO THE PRIOR PROCEEDINGS, A COMMENT FOR METHODOLOGY. TRAFFIC STUDIES BY THE COUNTY OR STATE I THINK ARE PROBABLY VERY OBJECTIVE WITH NO APPEARANCE OF IMPARTIALITY RELYING ON TRAFFIC STUDIES BY SOMEONE WHO OR ENTITY WHO MIGHT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IS PERCEIVED AS POTENTIALLY IMPARTIAL. I'M NOT MAKING JUDGMENT W. WAY OR THE OTHER. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND YOUR ANALYSIS, I WOULD RECOMMEND [02:50:05] RELYING ON THE STATE CAPABILITIES AND THE COUNTY CAPABILITIES WHEREVER THEY MAY BE FOR AN OBJECTIVE IMPARTIAL ANALYSIS. JUST MY OBSERVATION. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. JONATHAN WILSON. WEST CUMBERLAND COURT. I BEEN A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR JUST OVER TEN YEARS. I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE THAT I GOT HERE AS QUICKLY AS I COULD. ESPECIALLY HAVING MOVED FROM METRO ATLANTA. I'M PRIVILEGED TO SERVE ON THE STAFF TIME AT FRUIT COVE. I WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS. I BEEN ON STAFF SEVERAL CHURCHES, PARTICULARLY IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA AND VIRGINIA AND TEXAS. SOME OF THOSE OTHER CHURCHES I'VE SEEN HOW WELL OUR CHURCHES IN THOSE LOCATIONS HAVE WORKED WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I WANT TO ECHO WHAT PASTOR HEATH SAID. WE WANT TO BE GREAT NEIGHBORS. WE THINK THE LORD BLESSED US WITH GOOD OPPORTUNITIES HERE. I BEEN HERE JUST OVER TEN YEARS. JUST OVER TEN YEARS AGO OUR EXECUTIVE PASTOR AT THE TIME WAS DRIVING ME AROUND THE COUNTY SHOWING ME ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WE'RE UP THERE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. BRINGING ME DOWN TO THE TEN ACRES THAT WE OWNED AT THE TIME. IT'S PART OF THAT WE CALL THE TRIANGLE. 16 AND 16A. I CAN REMEMBER LEAVING THAT INITIAL MEETINGS THROUGH THE PASTURE. MY FIRST IMPRESSION WAS WOW. THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING HERE. END OF SENTENCE. WELL, YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THE GROWTH DID START. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THE ADJOINING TRACK THAT GIVES OUT 29 ACRES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS TIME. NOW, THAT STATEMENT THAT I HAD IS MAN, WE'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYWHERE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES TO REPLICATE WHAT WE'RE PART OF THERE IN FRUIT COVE. THE COMMUNITY, THE BUSINESSES WORKING HAND-IN-HAND. JUST GREAT OPPORTUNITY. ONCE AGAIN TO BE A BLESSING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOT A BURDEN. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING AT 16 AND 16A VERY SOON. THE ONE THING I'LL SAY, I LOVE THIS COUNTDOWN CLOCK. I WILL SUGGEST OUR STAFF WE GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR LEAD PASTOR. THAT'S GOING TO HELP ON SUNDAY MORNINGS WITH HIS SERMON. >> YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. AND CHARLIE SIZEMORE. NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY. IF YOU COLD T -- I THINK EVERYBY WILL BE HAPPY. THAT WILL DO THE LORD'S WORK. I WANT TO SAY IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA. MY LATE FRIEND AND MENTOR, WILLIAM STETSON KENNEDY LIVED IN FRUIT COVE. HIS HOMESTEAD IS NOW A COUNTY PARK. STETSON INFILTRATED THE KLU KLUX KLAN AND WROTE ABOUT IT AND LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT. YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT HIS HOME ON HE DECK IN FRUIT COVE. BEAUTIFUL PLACE. HE CALLED ME SECOND TIME WE MET, WE WERE GOING OVER FBI DOCUMENTS. HE CALLS ME STETSON KENNEDY JR. HE SAID I WAS A FREEDOM FIGHTER. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA. PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR RIGHTS PROTECTED. I WOULD HOLD THIS UNTIL YOU CAN GET YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY. I DON'T KNOW WHO SHOULD DO IT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO ABOVE BOARD AND NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY ONLY STATEMENT IS THAT I THINK IF WE -- IF THERE WAS A BUSINESS JUST DENIED THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO ON SR16 RELATED TO TRAFFIC THAT THIS SHOULD PROBABLY FOLLOW SIMILAR PATH. IT'S UNFORTUNATE IT'S A CHURCH. FAIR A FAIR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. JUST MOVED TO THIS PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. I MOVED GOSH -- BEEN PART OF FRUIT COVE CHURCH IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR 29 OR COMING UP ON 30 YEARS. [02:55:01] I CAN STAND AS LONG TIME MEMBER OF FRUIT COVE TO SAY THAT CHURCH TRULY EXEMPLIFIES BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. IT HAS LONG STANDING TRACK RECORD OF MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. WHICH IS MEETS THE SPIRITUAL NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. BUT ALSO TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE BUSINESSES THAT SURROUND OUR CHURCH IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY OR VISIT BY THIS BOARD, WOULD SAY YES, FRUIT COVE IS A GOOD MEMBER. WE NEED FOOD AND WE NEED PROVISIONS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. IT'S HARD. WE'RE NOT TOO FAR WE TESTIFY THIS CHURCH SHOWS UP WITH DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR CHURCH THAT SAYS THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD A RAMP FOR SOMEONE WHO NEEDS A RAMP CONNECTED TO THEIR HOUSE. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF NEEDS THAT CAN BE TESTIFIED TO MYSELF. ONE TIME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN A TREE HAD FALLEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I LIVED ON THE CORNER OF 1245 OAK WOOD LANE. THE TREE FELL AND BLOCKED BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I CALLED MY PASTOR AND CHURCH AT THE TIME. THEY SAID LET US MAKE A FEW PHONE CALLS. THE COUNTY CAME OUT AND DID EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNTY COULD DO. THEY CLEARED THE ROAD SO THAT ROAD CAN BE PASSIBLE. BUT THE CHURCH CAME AND CLEARED THE TREE THAT I COULDN'T AFFORD TO MOVE THAT GOT ME IN MY FRONT DOOR AND BACKDOOR. BECAUSE WHERE COUNTY WORK ENDED THE CHURCH STEPPED IN. THE VALUE OF CHURCH TO A COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL THE CRISIS OF THAT COMMUNITY IS HIT. WHEN WE CAN HOUSE THOSE UTILITY COMPANY AND RESOURCES WHEN A STORM HITS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR OUR COMMUNITIES SAY HEY, USE OUR PROPERTY TO BRING YOUR PEOPLE IN AND HOUSE YOUR EQUIPMENT TO GET US BACK ON OUR FEET. WHEN A CRISIS HITS OUR COMMUNITY LIKE OUR STUDENTS LOSING STUDENT AND THEIR THINGS. THAT'S THE TRUE VALUE OF A CHURCH AND A COMMUNITY TO SAY, WE'RE HERE WHEN THE COMMUNITY IS GRIEVE. WE'RE HERE TO CELEBRATE. WHEN THEY ARE CELEBRATING GRADUATIONS AND SERVICES A AND WEDDINGS. THE TIME WILL COME WHEN THIS AREA WILL SAY WE ARE GLAD HAVE A CHURCH THAT MEETS THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY. I WELCOME WHAT THE CHURCH SAYING FOR THE BUSINESS PARTNER THAT IT NEED AROUND IT TO SUPPORT THOSE NEEDS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM 5 AND 6. GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BOB. I LIVE NOT TOO FAR FROM THE AREA THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CHANGE, PUD, WHATEVER IT IS. I'M NOT PART OF THE TECHNICAL BACKGROUND OF THIS GROUP. I HAVEN'T BEEN IN ANY OF THE MEETINGS AND PREPARATION FOR THIS. I LIVE IN THE AREA. I HAVE LIVED CURRENTLY WHERE I AM FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I LIVED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ON AND OFF SINCE THE '60S. I CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CHURCH PURCHASED THE ORIGINAL TEN ACRES OF THAT PROPERTY WITH THE HOPES OF ESTABLISHING MINISTRY POINT THERE. IT'S 20 YEARS LATER. I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED AS A MEMBER OF FRUIT COVE THAT WE HAVE NOT ACTED UPON THAT MINISTRY THAT BEGAN BACK THEN. WE RECENTLY -- I BELIEVE GOD GIFTS US THE ADDITIONAL NOON --9 ACHERS. AS I UNDERSTAND AS A CHURCH MEMBER AND CHRISTIAN, I WANT TO MINISTER TO THAT COMMUNITY. I WANT TO BRING THE LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST TO THAT COMMUNITY. PERSONALLY, I HAVE BEEN PRAYING FOR THE CREEK DEVELOPMENT RESTRICT NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY. I DRIVEN THROUGH THAT PROPERTY MANY TIMES. I'M PRAYING FOR THE HOME. I'M TRYING TO DO WHAT I CAN TO MEET THE NEEDS. JUST LAST WEEK I AGREED TO LEAD A BIBLE STUDY IN ARBOR HILLS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO START IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AS I UNDERSTAND THE REASON OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY, IT'S NOT TO BUILD A BUSINESS TO NOT BRING IN WHATEVER. BUT TO ALLOW THE CHURCH TO HAVE THE OPTION MOVING FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO EITHER THE SALE OR LEASE OF THAT PROPERTY TO BRING MONEYS AVAILABLE SO THAT WE CAN BETTER MINISTER TO THE COMMUNITY. [03:00:04] EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL IS TO MINISTER TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. I RECOGNIZE WHAT THE TURN LANES ARE LIKE AND THE TRAFFIC IN THERE. I GO INTO THAT COMMUNITY REGULARLY TO PRAY AND WILL BE LEADING A BIBLE STUDY IN THAT COMMUNITY. THERE'S NO REASON TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY NOW. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY GO IN THERE. I UNDERSTAND ALL WE'RE DOING IS ASKING FOR THE OPTION IN THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO PUT BUSINESSES THERE. PERSONALLY, I HOPE WE USE ALL OF THE PROPERTY FOR MINISTRY. TO HAVE THE OPTION OPEN IS UP TO YOU. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> CHARLIE SIZEMORE. >> YOU ONLY GET ONE. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. ANYONE ELSE? >> ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK THE BOARD. I WILL ASK ASSISTANT MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR TO COME UP HERE FOR A QUESTION. LET ME GET TO THIS ONE FIRST. M >> THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY. WHAT IS REQUIRED IS A SITE ACCESS ANALYSIS MOVING FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT IS CODIFIED WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT AND THAT WILL BE ANALYZING BOTH DIRECTLY, ACCESS LOCATION AND DEPNDING ON THE SCOPE AND SIZE WHAT THEY END UP PRODUCING FOR THESE PLANS. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ADJACENT INTERSECTION. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT 16, 16A INTERSECTION SHOULD THERE BE ENOUGH VOLUME TO WARRANT SUCH. >> OKAY. IF IT'S WARRANTED THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN TURN LANE NECESSARY? >> WE HAVE WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO ADDITION OF TURN LANE. MUCH MORE SO THAN THE STATE. OUR THRESHOLD FOR REQUIRING TURN LANES IS VERY LOW IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE HE GOES? >> I DO. RIGHT NOW, IS THERE A MIDDLE LANE AT ALL? IN BETWEEN THE TWO LANES? >> IT IS A TWO-LANE ROAD AND WHENEVER THERE'S CENTRAL WIDENING, WE WILL INTRODUCE A THIRD LANE. THAT WILL INTRODUCE CENTER LEFT TURN LANE ONLY. >> IT'S NOT THERE NOW? >> THERE'S LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S A CENTER LEFT TURN LANE. JUST WEST IS A CENTER LEFT TURN LANE IN THAT SUBDIVISION. IF FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY IT WILL BE ONLY IF THERE'S A TABOR THAT CROSSES IN THE FRONT TO ALLOW FOR A CENTER LEFT TURN LANE. THERE'S NOT FULL WIDTH WITH THREE LANES. >> THERE'S NOTHING BUT A GATE GOING INTO A FIELD. YEAH, COOL. ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO. THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MRS. SMITH TO ARE THE FLOOR. >> MR. MATTHEWS. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CHURCH ON THE LEGAL SIDE. >> I'M HUGH MATTHEWS WITH ENGLAND-THIMS MILLER. ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR FROM VERY INVOLVED FRUIT COVE BAPTIST. FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. I'M VERY INVOLVED WITH THE LONG RANGE PLANNING COMMITTEE THAT'S FOCUSED ON THE PLANNING AND GROWTH OF BOTH THIS FUTURE CAMPUS AND EXISTING CAMPUS ON STATE ROAD 13. >> HUGH, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ISSUES PARTICULARLY RAISED BY THE SIZE SIZEMORES AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND I WILL COVER THE LEGAL SIDE. WE CAN ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THE ISSUES ABOUT THE TURN LANE. I HEAR FRANKLY AGREE WITH. YOU DISAGREE DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY NOW. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO TRAFFIC STUDY ONCE THE USES ARE IDENTIFIED AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING IN. LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT'S IN OUR PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND [03:05:03] IS IT POSSIBLE TO ZOOM IN MAYBE RIGHT IN HERE? >> YOU CAN IF SLIDE THAT DOWN LITTLE BIT. THAT MIGHT HELP US OUT. >> OKAY. THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD. LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT WE GOT HERE. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF SILVER LEAF PARKWAY AND STATE ROAD 16 AND 16A. YOU CAN SEE THE STRIPING THAT'S IN THERE. IN THIS GRAPHIC, FROM THIS SECTION YOU SEE WHERE THAT PAVEMENT COLOR CHANGES THERE FROM THAT SECTION BACK IS AN EXISTING PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY. FROM THIS SECTION DOWN, WE HAVE SUPER IMPOSED A LEFT TURN LANE IN THE MEDIAN OF THE ROAD. WE'RE ALSO VERY INVOLVED WITH SILVER LEAF. WE KNOW WHAT THEIR MASTER PLAN IS. THEY GOT ACCESS HERE AND HERE. THERE'S LEFT TURN LANE HERE. LEFT TURN LANE HERE. OUR DRAWING SHOWING FILL THE GAP WITH THE LEFT TURN LANES. THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE. WE'LL DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE. THAT'S WHY IT'S DRAWN IN. THIS REALLY WHAT DROVE THE LOCATION OF THIS DRIVEWAY AS SHOWN IN OUR ZONING PLAN. BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT THE SPACING OF THIS INTERSECTION, THESE INTERSECTIONS AND THIS INTERSECTION. THOUGHT ABOUT THE MERGE LANES AND STORAGE ■AND ALL THATTURN LANES THAT WE ENGINEERS DO. I TOOK MY CHURCH HAT OFF AND PUT ENGINEERING HAT ON. WE GOT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE. WE GOT ULTIMATE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE RELYING ON US BUILDING ON THE TRAFFIC SIDE, CERTAINLY HEARD THE CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY AND OTHER CASES. LET ME HAIR THIS MAP -- SHARE THIS MAP WITH YOU. FEW YEARS AGO THE COUNTY REQUESTED THAT TPO ANALYZE THE ROADS IN THE AREA AND WHAT IMPACT WILL THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY BEING OPEN, BEING OPEN IS LIKE YEAR 2030 OR '31, HSOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE DEPENDING ON WHEN THE CONTRACTOR FINISHES THE BRIDGE. WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE WHEN WE TAKE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES ACROSS THE SHANDS BRIDGE AND COMES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON AND TAKE THAT OFF THE COUNTY ROADS AND PUT IT ON A FOUR-LANE EXPRESSWAY STRAIGHT TO I-95. WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE OTHER ROADS? IN INTUITIVELY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S LIKE A SUCKING SOUND OF TRAFFIC COMING OFF ALL OUR LOCAL ROAD. THE TPO LOOKED A THAT. SAID THE VARIOUS COLORS IN THIS MAP AND THIS MAP THE CHURCH, THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S 16, RIGHT HERE. THESE VARIOUS COLORS REPRESENT PERCENT CHANGE THAT IS ANTICIPATED WHEN THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY OPENS. THIS DARKER PURPLE COLOR IS THE HIGHEST NEGATIVE PERCENT CHANGE. ANYWHERE FROM TAKING 30% TO 54% TO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A THIRD AND A HALF OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON THAT ROAD DISAPPEARS WHEN THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY OPENS. THOSE PEOPLE STAY ON THE EXPRESSWAY. FOR THOSE REASONS, WE BELIEVE THE ROADS HAVE CAPACITY WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE MODEL AND ALL THE VESTED TRAFFIC. THEN YOU PUT THESE FACTORS ON IT, THE ROADS STILL WORK LIKE THEY ARE. WITH OUR TURN LANE, THE INTERSECTION WILL BE SAFE. THE ROAD HAS CAPACITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, JUST COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS. CASEY AND I ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE MANY MORE RESIDENTS FROM WARDS CREEK ATTENDED. WE DID WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS AND THE CHURCH STAFF TO MAKE SURE -- WE SPECIFICALLY PICKED COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION BECAUSE IT PROVIDES COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES. THAT WAS THE SPECIFIC REASON NOT INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL. THAT WAS PURPOSEFUL. THEN, ALSO THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING CATEGORY WAS PICKED BECAUSE IT WASN'T -- AFTER THE MEETING WE WENT [03:10:02] THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF ALL THE PERMITTED USES AND THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT AND CAME UP WITH THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES THAT CASEY WENT THROUGH WITH YOU EARLIER. THAT WAS DONE PURPOSEFULLY. IT ALSO HELPS EXPLAIN FOR THE TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, THESE ARE USES USED BY PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU'RE NOT PUTTING MATERIAL THAT WILL DRIVE PEOPLE OR OR ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMUNITY. THIS WAS DONE PURPOSEFULLY WITH THE DIRECTION AND COOPERATION OF YOUR STAFF. I DO WANT TO MENTION TOO TO MR. SIZEMORE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A PROFESSIONAL STAFF INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS WHO REVIEW ALL TRAFFIC STUDIES. THEY DON'T JUST TAKE THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S WORD FOR IT. THEY DOUBLE CHECK IT AND COME UP WITH THEIR DIFFERENT NUMBER AND COMING UP WITH THEIR OWN ANALYSIS. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION SPREADSHEETS. THEY ARE PROTECTING THE PUBLIC IN THE WAY THAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING. IT'S ALREADY BEING DONE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SO MUCH. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE BOARD? LET'S GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. NOW IT WENT BACK TO YOURS. WE'RE JUST KEEPING YOU ON YOUR TOES. >> I LOVE THIS JOB. MS. AVERY SMITH CAN I BORROW YOU FOR A MOMENT? YOU ARE ONLY SEEKING REZONING ENUMNINE ACRES? >> YES. >> SAFE TO SAY FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CAN BUILD A CRUNCH ON -- CHURCH ON THE REMAINING PARCEL. >> YES, SIR. >> THE CHURCH IN ITS MEMBERS ARE COMING. IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? >> YES, I WANT TO POINT OUT -- HANG ON. PART OF THE PROPERTY HAS A RURAL SILVER LAND USE AND PARTS HAVE HAS AGRICULTURE. BOTH ALLOW CHURCH, SCHOOL AND SIMILAR USES AS A MATTER OF RIGHT. THE CHURCH CAN BUILD AS RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, SANCTUARY, AND CLASSROOMS EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY AS IT EXIST TODAY. >> THANK YOU. I GUESS MY STATEMENT TO THE BOARD IS THIS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON THIS PARCEL BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS ALREADY ZONED. I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER HERE IS ARE THESE COMMERCIAL USES COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHURCH AND COMMERCIAL NODE, BASED ON WHAT I HEARD, I THINK AS IT RELATE TO TRAFFIC, THIS MAY IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AS OPPOSED TO DENYING THEIR COMMERCIAL REZONING AND HAVING ALL THOSE CHURCH MEMBERS GO DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION OF IGP AND STATE ROAD 16 TRYING TO SQUEEZE IN THE MELLOW MUSHROOM OR THE COFFEE SHOPS. SURE. THAT COMMERCIAL NODE THAT INTERSECTION WELL IT'S OVER OVERWHELMED, HAVING THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE MIGHT EVEN IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS INEVITABLE BASED ON THE ZONING THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE AREA. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> I WANTED TO CONFIRM THROUGH LEGAL, ALTHOUGH IT'S OWNED BY THE CHURCH. THIS PROPERTY WILL NOT BE TAX-EXEMPT. >> SO, THROUGH THE CHAIR TO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. TAX EXEMPTIONS ARE BASED ON USE. NOT OWNERSHIP. IT DEPEND ON THE USES OF THE USES ARE, COMMERCIAL IN NATURE THEN, YES, THE TAXES WOULD APPLY IF THEY ARE CHARITABLE AND CHURCH FUNCTION FACILITIES. THEN THEY COULD VERY WELL BE EXEMPT. IT DEPEND ON THE USE. THAT'S DETERMINED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. ARE WE BUILDING A CHURCH THERE BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK THEY'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. I WILL LOOK TO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2026-39 SMALL SCALE FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CHURCH OF JACKSONVILLE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. >> MOTION TO ENACT [03:15:05] >> APPROVING THE REZONING 2026-16, FRUIT COVE BAPTIST CHURCH OF JACKSONVILLE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, LET'S GET THIS VOTE ON AGENDA ITEM SIX. AND THAT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS. JUST A BRIEF COMMENT BEFORE WE BREAK FOR LUNCH, JUSTIN YOU BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT AND EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A VALID POINT TAKEN, I THINK THERE WERE DIFFERENCES IN THESE TWO LOCATIONS THAT MADE A RIGHT BACK TO ACTION. OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. [Items 7, 8 & 9] I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. SEVEN EIGHT NINE CAN WE HEAR ALL THOSE AT THE SAME TIME? >> YES. >> OKAY, GOOD. CASE MR. DENDER ARE YOU HERE? OKAY CASEY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ALL TOGETHER SO LET DOUSE EXPARTE AND WE WILL GET AND SO WE'RE DOING EXPARTE FOR SEVEN AND NINE TOGETHER. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY E-MAILS OR ANY MEETINGS. >> NO E-MAILS MEETING WITH CASEY DENDER ■AND THE TEAMAND THE SAME FOR BOTH. >> FANTASTIC COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> HI TWO E-MAILS AND A PHONE CALL WITH CASEY DEN-- TO DISCUSS THE SITE LOCATION, THE TRAFFIC AND THE HISTORY. ALSO A PHONE CALL WITH ART LAN CASTER TO DISCUSS THE SAME ITEMS. >> OKAY THANK YOU COMMISSIONER? >> YES NO E-MAILS. I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH CASEY DENDOR, ART LANCASTER-- AND STAFF. >> I ALSO HAVE NO E-MAILS BUT I DO HAVE A MEETING WITH CASEY-- AND ART LANCASTER AND-- STAFF. >> MA'AM YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU. CASEY DENDOR 1755 OLD AUGUSTINE ROAD THIS IS THREE APPLICATIONS WE'LL HEAR TOGETHER AND I WILL TRY TO BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR TIME AND MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY. TALKING ABOUT MODIFICATION 2025-02 FOR BARTRAM PARK. PLANNING AMENDMENT 2025-07 AND MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PROJECT FAMILY PD AND 2025-08 AND CHANGING THAT TO BARTRAM GROVE. SO THE PURPOSE OF THESE THREE APPLICATIONS IS TO INCORPORATE A 42 ACRE PROPERTY INTO THE EXISTING BARTRAM PARK LINE AND THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT LIGHTS. CONVERT THOSE DEVELOPMENT LINES AND SIMULTANEOUSLY REDUCE THE COMMITTED TRAFFIC ON RACETRACK ROAD. -- DEVELOPMENT IS HERE. ART LAN CASTER AND JOHN DOEDSON AS WELL AS MYSELF. BARTRAM PARK IS A 25-YEAR REGIONAL PROJECT A TWO COUNTY DRI THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2000 IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IN DUE VALUE COUNTY. THE PROJECT IS OVER 6,000 ACRES AND AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS, 5,000 ACRES WAS PROTECTED AS WELL IN CONSERVATION AREAS. BEING THAT IT'S A 25-YEAR DEVELOPMENT WE ARE IN THE FINAL PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THIS SITE WILL ACTUALLY CLOSE OUT THE BARTRAM PARK IN THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY PORTION. THIS IS A MAP OF THE EXISTING BARTRAM PARK DRI WHAT'S COINED AS MAP H. PREFERRED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ON THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SORRY. THERE'S A SQUARE JUST SOUTH OF RACETRACK ROAD. IT KIND OF STICKS OUT ON THE SORE THUMB IF YOU ARE LOOKING SOUTH OF THE LINE. AND THAT'S OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S JUST A VERY SQUARE PIECE OF PROPERTY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT SO AS PART OF THE DOI MITIGATION FOR BARTRAM PARK, THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED MORE THAN A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS NF ROO RIGHT OF WAY AND ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION. $333 MILLION OF THAT HAS BEEN INVESTED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND IN SOME OF THOSE WAYS IT'S BEEN INVESTED, IT INCORPORATES 3.75 MILES OF BARTRAM PARK BOULEVARD WHICH IS A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY. WHICH SERVED AS A ROAD TO RACETRACK ROAD AND U.S. 1. WE ALSO HAVE 4 ½ MILES OF RACETRACK ROAD THAT RECEIVED FOUR LANE IMPROVEMENTS. 200 ACRES OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS FOUR OF THE I95 AND 9B INTERCHANGE. AS WELL AS THE RACETRACK ROAD AND I95 RIGHT OF WAY AND THE OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD FOR A TOTAL OF 267 ACHEERS. [03:20:01] AND WHERE $720,000 PROVIDED TOWARDS THE FDAT OVERPASS ENGINEERING ON RACETRACK ROAD. ALSO PART OF THE DRI THERE IS A CONSERVATION COMMUNITY N. PIECE. OVER 2,000 ACRES WAS CONVEYED TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA AT CO COSTS. APPROXIMATELY $300,000 WAS A DEDICATED TOWARDS A CANOE LAUNCH AND KAYAK LAUNCH ON DURBAN CREEK IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY NEAR EXISTING PUBLICS AT BARTRAM MARKET. AND THERE WAS ALSO 3.75 MILES OF THE 12 FOOT LINEAR RECREATIONAL PATH WHICH IS ONE OF THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. ALSO AS PART OF THE BARTRAM PARK DRI THEY'VE PLANTED OVER 700 OAK TREES ALL OF WHICH ARE MATURE AND LIVING TODAY. THE APPLICATION ALSO DEDICATED PROPERTIES FOR REGIONAL PUBLIC FACILITIES INCLUDING JFRD STATION 62. WHICH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN JACKSONVILLE AND ST. JOHN'S SO THEY CAN PROVIDE SERVICES IN THIS AREA OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. AND ALSO DEDICATED A SITE FOR BARTRAM SPRINGS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR BARTRAM GROVE IS PROPOSED FOR 90 TOWN HOMES AND 90 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS WELL AS AN OUT PARCEL FOR APPROXIMATELY 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. THIS PROPERTY WILL PRESERVE 33% OF ITS SITE AS WETLANDS AND ALSO RETAINS A SPECIMEN OAK TREE FOR WHICH THE PARCEL WAS DESIGNED AROUND. TO BE A FEATURE OF THE COMMUNITY. THE SITE ALSO HAS RACETRACK ROAD FUNDING WITH EXISTING SIGNALIZED ACCESS. AND WILL BE A DATED COMMUNITY-- GATED COMMUNITY. THE TOWN HOMES SINGLE FAMILY TO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED RESIDENTIAL HOUSING FOR THE ECONOMIC GROWTH THAT'S SEEN IN THE AREA PARTICULARLY WITH THE U.S. HOSPITAL THAT'S JUST TO THE SOUTH AND DERBIN PARK AND ALSO THE OTHER HOSPITAL AREAS LOCATED IN JACKSONVILLE WITH-- WE HAVE BACK TO SOUTH. THE EXISTING PROJECT FAMILY SITE THAT'S APPROVED TODAY IF INCLUDES 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR RECREATION SPACE AND SPECIAL SPACE. AND THOSE INTIELTMENTES HAVE 411 EXTERNAL TRIPS COMMITTED TO RACETRACK ROAD TODAY. SO BY DOING THIS MODIFICATION INCORPORATE A SUBJECT PROPERTY INTO THE TRANSFERRING ALL THE RIGHTS OVER. THOSE 411 TRIPS WILL GO AWAY FROM THE COUNTY VESTED TRIPS PROGRAM. BECAUSE ALL THE TRIPS VESTED IN PARTRAM PARK BEING CONVERTED TO THE SITE ARE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THAT RACETRACK ROADWAY. THE SITE ALSO HAS EXISTING ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF THE RACETRACK ROAD WIDENING THAT TOOK PLACE EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND LATER LAST YEAR. THE SITE INCLUDED THE PROJECT-- TURNING INTO THE PROPERTY ARE EXISTING TODAY AND THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE RE-EVALUATING THE SIGNAL TIMING. TO ACCOMMODATE FOR TURNING MOVEMENTS INTO THE SITE THAT IS SOUTH OF RACETRACK ROAD. ALSO AS SUBJECT OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE ABOUT 0--.06 ACRES TO PREVIOUSLY-- THOSE ARE MITIGATED THROUGH THE ST. JOHN'S WIRE DISTRICT AND THOSE ARE PROPOSED. AS PART OF THE OP APPLICATION, WE ALSO HAVE FOR YOUR REVIEW A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE FROM INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE DISTRICT. THE PURPOSE FOR THAT IS THAT THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION WILL ALLOW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SUCH AS DEPARTMENTS BUT NOT ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT WHICH IS NEEDED TO SERVE SOME OTHER YOUNG PROFESSIONALS IN THE AREA. THIS SHOWS YOU THE BARTRAM PARK MASTER PLAN HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. AND THE EADJACENT DERBIN PARK IN ORANGE. AND ALL THE BLUE INDICATED ON THIS PROPERTY ARE ROADS THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN DEDICATED OR CONSTRUCTED OR FUNDED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE AREAS THAT ARE HATCHED IN BLUE AND WHITE. IS RIGHT AWAY PROVIDED AS PART OF THE BARTRAM PARK DEVELOPMENT. SO WITH THATTY REQUEST IS FOR A RECOMMENDED APPROVAL P.U.D., MAJOR MODIFICATION AND SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. TO INCORPORATE THE PROPERTY INTO THE DOI. SPREAD THE EXISTING RIGHTS AND INVESTED TRIPS. ADOPT THE PROPOSED MIXED USE FEATURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ADJUSTED DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR THE PUD. WHICH WILL PROVIDE HOUSING TO SUPPORT THE NEARBY ECONOMIC HUB. AND REDUCE THE VESTED TRAFFIC ON THE NETWORK. THIS APPLICATION DID HAVE A COMMUNITY WITH LIMITED PRESENCE [03:25:02] AND NO OPPOSITION. WE ALSO ATTENDED AND GOT A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. SO WITH THAT, I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? RIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT THEN. >> OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ON AGENDA ITEMS SEARCH, EIGHT AND NINE. OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY WE'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. OR A MOTION. >> I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL MOTION TO ENACT RESOLUTION 2026- >> 369. >> APPROVING MODIFICATION 2025-02 BARTRAM PARK DRI BASED ON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. COMMISSIONER YOU CAN HAVE THE FLOOR. >> ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2026- >> 41. >> APPROVING THE ADOPTION OF CPA2025-07 BARTRAM GROVE BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5-0. AND WE'LL LET THAT. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2026-. >> 42. >> APPROVING MAJOR MOD 2025-08 BARTRAM GROVE PUD BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. AS MOVED. AND THAT PASS 5S-0. CONGRATULATION. APPRECIATE YOU. ALL RIGHT MOVING RIGHT ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN. AND THIS ALSO IS QUASIJUDICIAL. SO WE'LL DO OUR EXPARTE. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY E-MAILS OR MEETINGS. >> ALSO NO E-MAILS OR MEETINGS. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER? >> I HAVE NONE. >> AND COMMISSIONER? >> I HAVE NONE. >> AND I HAVE NONE. COOL. [10. Public Hearing * VACROA 2026-05 Seminole Avenue and Owens Ave ROW Vacation - Public Hearing to vacate a portion of Seminole Avenue and Owens Avenue right-of-way. The subject of this Resolution is to hear a request for the vacation of portions of Seminole and Owens Avenue right-of-way (ROW). The unopened portions of Seminole and Owens Avenue right-of-way is not used for traffic circulation or access. The petitioner is the only affected property owner, the portions of ROW to be vacated currently segment the owner's property, therefore the applicant is requesting to vacate this portion of right-of-way for a more cohesive parcel. Based on staff's review thus far, no party will be unreasonably affected by the requested vacation. An easement to the utility provider has already been deemed acceptable by FPL.] KETO BURNS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. GOOD AFTERNOON. Y YOU. >> HELLO. KETO BURNS 201 OWENS AVENUE. IT'S AWFULLY FOREIGN BEING UP HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS NOT GRIPING ABOUT SOMETHING IN PUBLIC COMMENT. HOPEFULLY NOT GRIPING. ALWAYS BE RESPECTFUL. I'M HERE TODAY TO REQUEST THAT WE VACATE TWO SMALL SECTIONS OF RIGHT OF WAYS ADJACENT TO MY OFFICE IN BUTLER BEACH. I HAVE A PRETTY BASIC PRESENTATION HERE WITH A COUPLE OF SLIDES I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW. OKAY SO THIS IS TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES. THIS IS ABOUT THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILE SOUTH OF A1A THAT'S THE NEAREST SOMEWHAT MAJOR INTERSECTION. TO THE NORTH OF THIS THE CAMPGROUND. THIS IS A SUBDIVISION AND THIS IS REMARKS OF A LITTLE BEACHSIDE NEIGHBOURHOOD. AND THIS YELLOW IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE. THE NEXT SLIDE HERE IS THE MARKED UP SURVEY THAT SHOWS MORE DETAIL THAT WE HAVE. OUTLINING MY PROPERTY. RIGHT HERE THIS IS MY OFFICE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT AND THIS IS A VACANT PIECE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN YELLOW THIS IS OWENS AVENUE. OWENS IS 55 WIDE AND THE LENGTH IS 82 FEET AND THE SEMINOLE PIECE IS 40 FEET WIDE AND THE THINK THE LONG POINT WAS 247 OR JUST SHY OF THAT. THIS IS THE PLAT OF F V-- R PLATTED IN 1925 AND SEMINOLE AVENUE I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS UNTIL I STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS WAS PLATTED AS A NORTH/SOUTH ROAD THAT LIES WEST OF A1A AND THE TOTAL LENGTH IS JUST OVER 2700 LINEAR FEET, EXCUSE ME. THE-- OUTLINING AVENUE AND THE BLUE IS WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN VACATED. SO ALL 20 NOW-- 2500 FEET OR SO HAS BEEN VACATED AND THE LAST UNVACATED PORTION IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY HERE ON THE NORTHERN TIP THERE. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR MY APPLICATION OR MY PRESENTATION. I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF. FOR ME THIS WAS A DAUNTING PROCESS TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF AND THE RESPONSE ISN'T EASY AND I'M SURE FOR THEM THIS IS A PRETTY ELEMENTARY APPLICATION COMPARED TO WHAT THEY GO THROUGH. [03:30:01] BUT THEY MADE IT EASY AND RESPONSIVE AND SUPER HELPFUL. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO APPROVE NOTION ADOPT RESOLUTION 2026-370. APPROVING VACATING OF THE RIGHT OF WAY 2026-05 SEMINOLE AND OWENS AVENUE RIGHT OF WAY VACATION. A PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF SEMINOLE AVENUE AND OWENS AVENUE RIGHT OF WAY. >> I'LL SECOND. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. MR. BURNS, THAT PASSES 5-0. [11. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2026-13 Shoppes at Mill Creek Forest. Request for a Major Modification to the Shoppes at Mill Creek Forest PUD (Ordinance 2018-45, as amended), to allow a land use exchange converting 120,000 square feet of permitted professional office space to 41,500 square feet of commercial/retail space based on equivalent vehicle trips, resulting in a maximum of 440,500 square feet of commercial/retail space and 15,000 square feet of professional office space; and to revise the Master Development Plan (MDP) Text and Map to reflect all proposed changes. The Planning and Zoning Agency (PZA) heard this request at its regularly scheduled public hearing on October 1, 2026. Agency discussion focused on the proposed conversion of office uses to commercial/retail uses, roadway capacity and access, traffic impacts, site layout, and the applicable Floor Area Ratio (FAR). No members of the public spoke regarding the request. Following deliberation, the PZA recommended approval by a vote of 6-0. Members Perkins, Hilsenbeck, Matovina, Green, Spiegel, and Labanowski voted in support of the recommendation for approval. Member Olson was absent.] CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 WHICH IS ALSO QUASIJUDICIAL. SO WE WILL LOOK FOR EXPARTE FROM COMMISSIONER SNARNLD. >> THANK YOU I HAVE SEVEN E MAIMS. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? SHE IS NOT WORKING. >> 17 E-MAILS OR MORE AND A MEETING WITH JOE HELO-- SCHILLING, BLAIR KNIGHTING AND THE TEAM. >> OKAY THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I HAVE EIGHT E-MAILS AND HERE IN THE OFFICE WITH M MR. HELO, MR. SCHILLER AND MS. KNIGHTING AND OUR STAFF AND WE DISCUSSED THE SITE LOCATION. THE HISTORY OF THOSE ENTITLEMENTS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THEM TO IN THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> HI SIX PLUS E-MAILS ON THIS ITEM. MEETING WITH APPLICANT JOE HELO-- SCHILING AND BLAIR KNIGHTING AND STAFF. >> THANK YOU I HAD 13 E-MAILS AND A MEETING WITH JOE HELO, BILL SCHILING AND BLAIR KNIGHTING APPLICATION WITH STAFFAL AND SITE VISIT WITH JOSH-- AND RYAN MCCOURT. GOOD AFTERNOON YOU HAVE THE FLOOR MA'AM. >> AFTERNOON, THANK YOU. BLAIR KNIGHTING ADDRESS GRAND VIEW PARKWAY WEST 32258. THANK YOU I'LL BE QUICK I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY ALREADY SO WE KIND OF SHORTENED OUR PRESENTATION JUST TO BE VERY QUICKLY. SO HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE SHOPS AT MILL CREEK FOREST MAJOR MODIFICATION. I KNOW OTHER PRESENTER HAD AS PROBLEM WITH THIS CLICKER SO I AM GOING TO BE-- ALL RIGHT REAL QUICK WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THREE THINGS. WE ARE ASKING TO CONVERT 120,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE TO 41,500 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND REDUCE THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THIS PUD FOR 78,500 AND I THINK I MISSED ONE SLIDE. I DID TOO MANY CLICKS. JUST QUICK BACKGROUND 2018 IS WHEN THIS ORIGINAL PUD WAS PUT IN PLACE. IT IS A MUCH SMALLER PUD THAN THE SURROUNDING PUD AROUND US. IT IS A NON-RESIDENTIAL PUD. THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL USES PERMITTED. AND IT IS ALREADY PERMITTED FOR 545,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. SO THE REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 78,500 VIA CONVERSION. IT IS TRAFFIC NEUTRAL. AND WE ARE REQUESTING TO UPDATE THE PHASES. SO WE HAVE A BIT MORE TIME TO BUILD OUT A LITTLE SLOWER THEN WE ALSO ARE REQUESTING TO UPDATE THE MDP MAP BASED ON WHAT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED SINCE 2018 PER STAFF'S REQUEST. SO IT'S JUST THREE REQUESTS. AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE. OUR ZONING IS PUD. AND THIS IS THE NEW NDP MAP AS YOU CAN SEE WE TRIED TO UPDATE IT WITH WHAT'S OCCURRED SO FAR IN THE PUD. AND THEN THIS IS REALLY WHAT KIND OF LAYS OUT WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENT ON THE LEFT ARE 534,000. THE PROPOSED ENTITLEMENTS CONVERT THE 41,500. SO NOW IT'S A NEW COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 440,500 AND OFFICE OF 15,000. SO IT IS A REDUCTION AND THOSE CONVERSIONS ARE TRIP NEUTRAL AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE METHOD ALGAE WAS TO MAKE SURE IT WAS TRIP NEUTRAL. AND THEN SHOWING OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M HERE IF OU HAVE ANY QUE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> HOPE THAT WAS QUICK. >> RIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. OKAY SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY LET'S GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOEGS MOTION. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> MOTION TO ORDINANCE 2026--. >> 4 HAD 3. >> THANK YOU SIR. APPROVING MAJOR MODIFICATION 2026-13SHOPPES AT MILL CREEK FOREST BASED ON FINDINGS IN THE [03:35:02] STAFF REPORT. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> LET'S VOTE. OKAY THAT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT [12. Public Hearing * REZ 2026-08 St. Johns Commons Commercial. Request to rezone approximately 9.16 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Commercial General (CG), located on the north side of County Road 210 West with direct access from Saint Johns Commons Road. This request was heard before the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on Thursday, October 1, and was recommended for approval by a vote of 6-0.] BRIEF. OKAY LET'S MOVE 12 AND THAT IS I BELIEVE OUR LAST QUASIJUDICIAL FOR THE DAY. SO I'LL GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> THANK YOU HI THREE E-MAILS ABOUT THIS ITEM. NO MEETINGS. >> FIVE E-MAILS AND NO MEETINGS. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> ONE E-MAIL AND I MET WITH BETH BREEDING AND OUR STAFF IN THE OFFICE. >> OKAY. >> I HAD AT LEAST ONE E-MAIL ON THIS AND A MEETING WITH BETH BREEDING, JAMES MILTON AND WETLAND BIOLOGIST AND STAFF. >> I HAD 15 E-MAILS FROM THIS SPECIFIC ITEM AND A MEETING WITH BETH BREEDING. WHO BY THE WAY, JUST IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING IS SPECIAL. >> HI, BETH BREEDING. I'M HERE FOR THE APPLICANT ANS LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN A DEVELOPER IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SINCE 1998 AND THEY TAKE SERIOUSLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY. I'M I'VE SHORTENED MY PRESENTATION. SO BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HEAVY AGENDA I'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT QUICK AND BRIEF. THE REQUEST IS 9.16 ACRES IN TOTAL FROM OR TO CG WITH 50% OF THAT BEING OPEN SPACE AND ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT AREA ONLY BEING 4.28 ACRES. WE RECEIVED A 7-0 WITH THE PLAN ZONING AGENCY.P I TREATED THIS THOUGH STRAIGHT ZONINGS ARE NOW ALOUD. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS SIGHT SITS NEXT TO COMMERCIAL. NOW I'M STRUGGLING. OKAY. WITHOUT GIVING 27 ACRES TO SOME HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT. WHAT WE'RE DEVELOPING IS HAD.28 ACRES THAT WAY WE HAVE 50% OPEN SPACE. PREVIOUSLY UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT. THE APPLICANT GAVE WATER MANAGEMENT WHAT THEY REQUESTED WHICH WAS 20.878 ACRES THAT WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MITIGATION AREA AND IT ALSO PRESENTED FIVE ADDITIONAL ACRES USED AS AN EASEMENT. AND THEY HAD TO GIVE $75,000 FOR BOND IMPERPITUITY. THE REASON WATER MANAGEMENT LIKE THIS IT WAS THREE TIMES THE ECOLOGICAL VALUE OF WHAT'S BEEN IMPACTED. AND ADDITIONALLY, IT WAS A THORN IN THEIR SIDE EVERY TIME THEY TRIED TO BURN AND DO MANAGEMENT. IT WAS VERY DIFFICLT WITH THIS-- THERE WE GO, THIS PIECE STICKING OUT. THIS WIN/WIN FOR THE COUNTY AND ECOLOGICAL VALUE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE IN RELATION TO THE COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET AND THE COMMERCIAL NEXT DOOR. WE'RE COMPATIBLE. WE'RE AT A LIGHT. WE'RE AT A CORNER. SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE RE-ZONING AND I DID SUBMIT IT AS JUST LIKE A PUD SO ALL OF THE REPORTS, THE BUGS AND BUNIES REPORT SHOWING THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EAGLES OR PROTECTED WILDLIFE THERE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I BROUGHT MY NOTEBOOK TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING YOU MIGHT NEED. >> OKAY ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. SEEING NONE. CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THE MOTION. >> GUILE AHEAD AND DO THAT. >> OKAY MOTION TO ENACT. >>-- 4 4. >> APPROVE AND REZONE 2026-08 ST. JOHN'S COMMONS COMMERCIAL BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AND PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. AND THAT PASSES 4-1. CONGRATULATIONS. [13. Temporary Planning Data Center Moratorium. Enactment of an Ordinance establishing a temporary planning moratorium regarding data centers effective November 15, 2026. On September 1, 2026, the Board of County Commissioners directed the Office of County Attorney to provide an Ordinance enacting a temporary planning moratorium regarding data centers for its consideration. This ordinance was presented to the Board on October 6, 2026, for a first presentation as required by BOCC Rule 3.103.] OKAY LET'S GO TO OUR STRAIGHT KEALEY WEST DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE DATA CENTER MORATORIUM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES ESTABLISHING A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM MEDIUM SCALE OR LARGE SCALE DATA CENTER. THE ORDINANCE RESPONSE OF THE DIRECTION YOU GAVE US BACK IN SEPTEMBER. FROM THE FIRST READING ON OCTOBER 6TH. CONSISTENT WITH BOARDS RULES AND SO THIS IS REPORTING FOR CONSIDERATION OF ENACTMENT. THE MORATORIUM WOULD BE EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 15TH. IT WOULD BE IN EFFECT FOR ONE YEAR. TEMPORARILY SUSPEND ANY APPLICATION OF MEDIUM AND LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE. DURING MORATORIUM STAFF E VALUATE APPROPRIATE RULES AND REGULATIONS SIGHTING. COMPATIBILITY. AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT SUCH PROJECTS. TO INCLUDE UTILITY PROVIDERS. ST. JOHN'S RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AS WELL AS OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND OUTREACH STAFF WOULD WORK WITH. [03:40:06] REGIONAL COUNCIL. NASSAU COUNTY DOING SOME WORK AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS THERE. THE ORDINANCE ALSO ANTICIPATES CONSIDERATION OF THE STATES STUDY WHICH THE LEDGE SLAIT SLACHER MANDATED LAST SESSION AND THAT SHOULD BE READY IN JULY OF 2027. SO THE ACTION BEFORE SU TO ENACT THE ORDINANCE. >> COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? GO AHEAD SIR HUH THE FLOOR. >> I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION TO ENACT THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM SO I WILL SU NORTH MOTION. BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, THE POWER OF WHETHER OR NOT DATA CENTRES ARE EVEN NECESSARY. MORE DATA CENTRES. BIGGER DATA CENTRES. WITH WE THE PEOPLE. TO POST AI GENERATED IS THE HEIGHT OF HYPOCRISY. YOU ARE GENERATING MORE NEED FOR DATA BY DOING THAT. COMMON SENSE TO SAY THAT. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SAID. SO IF PEOPLE WANT LESS DEMAND FOR DATA STRESS I WOULD SIMPLY SUGGEST THAT YOU USE LESS DATA. BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ZERO INTEREST IN BUILDING A DATA CENTRE. THE SCALE WE ARE BAILING THEM. SO I'VE NEVER HEARD FROM A DATA CENTRE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY INTERESTED IN A BLIND HERE AT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. IN FACT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY SOMEBODY AT FPNL THAT IT WOULD BE VERY UNLIKELY A CANDIDATE FOR DATA CENTRE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO WITH THAT BEING THE CASE IF THIS HELPS TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION FOR A MORATORIUM. >> YOU SURE CAN. >> ALL RIGHT MOTION TO ENACT. --. >> 45. >> REGARDING MORE TIME ON MEDIUM AND LARGE SCALE DATA CENTERS. >> I'LL SECOND. >> AND I'LL THIRD. >> OKAY. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13. SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A VOTE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DIDN'T GET A CHANCE. THERE WE GO. OKAY THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [14. Consider appointment to the Planning and Zoning Agency. Currently, there is (1) vacancy on the Planning and Zoning Agency due to the expired terms of Greg Matovina. A vacancy ad was placed and ran for (2) months. Please see attached for your review and consideration, a recommendation letter and (19) applications; Kimberly Beasley, Dist. 1, Christopher Chamberlain, Dist. 1, Krista Dube', Dist. 1, Kathryn McAvoy, Dist. 1, Elizabeth Tate, Dist. 1, James Angeletti, Dist. 2, Trista Brophy Cerquera, Dist. 2, Brian Clark, Dist. 2, Wilson McMullan, Dist. 2, Dr. Meredith Rudolph Payne, Dist. 2, Ashley Sumners, Dist. 2, Seth Wingate, Dist. 2, Cynthia Simmons, Dist. 3, Kyle Sawchuk, Dist. 3, James Galloway, Dist. 4, Taly Brinzey, Dist. 5, Karen Gabriel, Dist. 5, Rebecca Gallardo, Dist. 5, Lorie Wilson, Dist. 5.] I APPRECIATE THAT. DIRECT TO 14. TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING REZONING AGENCY. >> SENIOR ASSISTANT TO BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. TODAY'S ITEMS ABOUT EXAMINING AGENCY. WE DID RECEIVE 19 APPLICATIONS. DID SUBMIT A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR REVIEW. >> GREAT. I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY LET GEESE TO COMMENTS. CAN WE GO TO COMMENTS FIRST? >> SHE'S THINKING A MOTION. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY MOTION FIRST. I RECOMMEND THE PZA'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPOINT CRISTA DUBE FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 2030. >> SECOND. >> OKAY MOTION TO SECOND. DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THESE? OKAY PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14. COME ON UP. GOOD AFTERNOON. I WAS JUST GOING TO-- I HAVE A SPEECH PREPARED. SO I'M GOING TO JUST DO MY SPEECH. CRISTA DUBE. 1474. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN MURPHY AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CRISTA DUBE AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY APPOINTMENT TO THE ST. JOHN'S PLANNING AGENCY. I AM HONOURED THAT GREG-- THE OUTGOING DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE NOMINATED ME TO SUCCEED HIM. AND I APPRECIATE HIS CONFIDENCE AND MY ABILITY TO SERVE. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCIES 6 TO 1 RECOMMENDATION IN FAVOUR ON OCTOBER 15TH. I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS BOARD MUST MAKE ITS OWN ASSESSMENT OF MY READINESS TO SERVE. MY COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT HAS DEEPENED MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUES FACING ST. JOHN'S [03:45:04] COUNTY. AND REINFORCING THE IMPORTANCE OF LISTENING TO RESIDENTS WHILE RESPECTING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT SERVICE ON THE AGENCY REQUIRES PREPARATION, IMPARTIALITY AND SOUND JUDGMENT. NOT A PRE-DETERMINED POSITION ON DEVELOPMENT. EACH APPLICATION DESERVES A FAIR E VALUATION ON ITS INDIVIDUAL--. IF APPOINTED. I WILL COME PREPARED. REVIEW THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION CAREFULLY. AND LISTEN RESPECTFULLY TO RESIDENTS, APPLICANTS AND STAFF. I WILL APPROACH EACH APPLICATION WITH AN OPEN MIND AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. MY RESPONSIBILITY WILL BE TO PROVIDE THIS BOARD. WITH CLEAR THOUGHTFUL RECOMMENDATIONS. TRANSZ PARENT EXPLANATIONS OF MY REASONS. FAIR CONSIDERATION. RESPONSIBLE SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14? OKAY, SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT, THROW IT UP THERE. ALL RIGHT, LET ME GET THAT-- MY GLASSES ON. THAT IS A DENIAL 3 TO 2. SO WE WILL GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR-- THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE ISSUE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPOINT E LIZ BETH TATE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 3RD OF 2030. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COM COMMENT? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SHE'S ALREADY ON LAMP. SO DOES SHE GET OFF OF LAMP? OR WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? >> WELL THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. >> SHE'S ALREADY LET US KNOW SHE'D BE OKAY RESIGNING FROM LAMP. >> OKAY. >> I GUESS I'M JUST EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE PZA TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT ON THIS. WE GOT A LETTER FROM GREG-- OVINA WHO THIS PERSON WILL BE REPLACING AND I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED WHY WE ARE NOT GOING WITH THE PZA'S RECOMMENDATION. >> I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. IF YOU'D LIKE, I DON'T HAVE ONE NEGATIVE THING TO SAY ABOUT KRISTA DUBE. I ACTUALLY THINK SHE WOULD MAKE A GREAT CANDIDATE. I THINK BETH TATE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS FOR JUST MORE YEARS THAT I'VE OBSERVED. I THINK HER RESUME SPEAKS FOR HERSELF. SHE HAS A HIGH LEVEL EXECUTIVE AT CITY BANK. SHE'S PROVEN TO BE SOMEBODY WHO CAN EVALUATE AND CONFLICTING INFORMATION AND COME TO AN UNBIASSED DECISION. SO IT'S NOTHING NEGATIVE, I JUST HAVE A VERY HIGH OPINION OF ELIZABETH TATE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. OKAY, THERE ARE-- PASSES 4-1. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATION ELIZABETH TATE ON HER APPOINTMENT TO THE PZA. [15. Consider appointments to the Construction Board of Adjustment and Appeals. Currently, there are (5) vacancies on the Construction Board of Adjustment and Appeals due to expired terms and a resignation. A vacancy ad was placed in August of 2023 and was recently closed in July 2026. Please find attached for your review and consideration a recommendation letter from the Construction Board of Adjustment and Appeals and (9) applications: Todd Marshall, Dist. 1, Ashley Sumners, Dist. 2, Shasta Ware, Dist. 2, Seth Wingate, Dist. 2, William Lanni, Dist. 3, Robert Blood, Dist. 5, Taly Brinzey, Dist. 5, Leonard Moscatelli, Dist. 5, Thomas Walsh, Dist. 5.] THANK YOU SO MUCH. SHELBY DO WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? OKAY. >> THIS NEXT ITEM IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OF AS PEOPLE CURRENTLY THERE IS FIVE VACANCIES DUE TO EXPIRED TERMS IN RESIGNATION. THIS VACANCY AD WAS PLACED IN AUGUST OF 2023 AND HAS REMAINED OPEN FOR THESE YEARS. AND WE DID RECEIVE NINE APPLICATIONS AND THE ADJUSTMENT APPEALS BOARD DID SUBMIT A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION. >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY COMMENTS TO THE BOARD? OKAY TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY BACK TO THE BOARD. WE ARE LOOKING FOR HOW MANY VACANCIES HERE? FIVE. OKAY. I DON'T MIND MAKING THESE MOTIONS. MOTION TO APPOINT ASHLEY SUMNERS TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APEELS SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE APRIL 16TH 2028. DO WE HAVE TO DO THESE SEPARATE OR CAN I DO THEM ALL AT ONCE? PARDON? OKAY. ALSO TO MOTION TO APPOINT TO THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF [03:50:05] ADJUSTMENT APEELS FOR FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE NUMBER 3 2030 NOTION SUSPEND BOARD RULE 2.203C AND REAPPOINT WILLIAM LANNI TO THE JUSTICE OF APEELS REGULAR MEMBER FOR FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE MAY 17TH 2030. MOTION TO REAPOINT THOMAS WALSH AND ROBERT BLOOD FOR FULL FOUR YEAR TERMS SET TO EXPIRE MAY 17TH 2030. >> SECOND. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. OKAY PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR [18. Motion to adopt Resolution 2026- designee, to execute an agreement in substantially the same form and format as attached hereto between St. Johns County and the St. Johns County Chamber of Commerce, providing for tourist related services as specified. information, contact Tera Meeks, Community and Destination Development Director at 904 209-4428 authorizing the County Administrator, or For more] TIME. NOW WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA NUMBERS 18. YEAH, WE JUST DID THEM ALL AT ONCE. SO WE'RE DONE WITH 15. THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18. DO WE HAVE A QUASIJUDICIAL TO THIS IN SNO NOE EXPARTE? YEAH-- WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ANYTHING LISTED. BUT IF THERE IS-- IF IT IS QUASIJUDICIAL. WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> IT'S NOT. >> YOU CAN'T HAVE QUASIJUDICIAL ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA. >> SO YEAH, I LEARNED SOMETHING. >> YOU CAN TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR MA'AM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. TERRY WEEKS DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS ITEM 18 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WHICH HAS BEEN MOVED HERE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. AND THIS IS AN ITEM FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. IT IS STRUCTURED TO BE A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH TWO ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR ONE YEAR. THAT IS NEW AGREEMENT BUT ONGOING RELATIONSHIP WE'VE HAD WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THIS IS TOURISM AND ACTIVITIES WORK ON THE CHAMBER AND THIS CONTRACT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN PRIOR CONTRACTS HAVE BECAUSE IN PRIOR YEARS, WE'VE BEEN FUNDING THE VISITOR INFORMATION CENTRE UP IN-- AND THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FELT THAT WAS NO LONGER A GOOD USE OF FUNDS. AND SO THE CONTRACT WHAT'S IN TACT HERE LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE IN THE PRIOR YEARS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THERE'S NO FUNDING PROVIDED FOR THAT PONT VEDRE INFORMATION CENTRE. WHAT IS INCLUDED IS $95,000 FOR PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT REALLY FOCUSES ON THE PONTE VEDRE AREA A WELL SUSTAINED PROGRAM STARTING SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO AND IT WAS REALLY AN INITIATIVE THAT WAS STARTED BECAUSE A LOT OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS UP IN THE AREA OF THERE WERE CONCERNED THERE WASN'T ENOUGH FOCUS BEING PUT ON THERE. AND THANK YOU THINK ABOUT OUR ADVERTISEMENT AS A WHOLE, A LOT OF TIMES EVERYBODY EVEN THOUGH WE ARE PERMITTING THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE IT DOES OFTEN HAVE EITHER A SENSE OF THE BEACHES OR SENSE OF A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AND SO THERE CAME AN EXPRESS NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUS ON THE ACTUAL PRODUCT ITSELF FOR PONTE VEDRE. SO THE CHAMBER HIRED A CONSULTANT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND THAT CONSULTANT CAME UP WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THE CHAMBER HAS BEEN WORKING SYSTEMICALLY TO IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN AND DEVELOP THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TOOLS THAT CAN THEN BE UTILIZED THROUGHOUT THE AREA. SO THE CHAMBER DOES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PRODUCT AND THE VCD HELPS TO PROMOTE THE PRODUCTS. THE OTHER TWO PIECES OF THIS CONTRACT INCLUDE THE AUTISM CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. SO AGAIN ANOTHER CONTINUATION OF A PROGRAM THAT WAS STARTED THREE YEARS AGO. THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH YEAR AND IT IS TO WORK WITH-- A GRANTS PROGRAM WHERE THE CHAMBER WORKS WITH DIFFERENT TOURISM BUSINESSES. AND IT'S TO SEND THE HOUR-FACING STAFF TO A TRAINING PROGRAM. WHERE THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO IDENTIFY SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE ON A SPECTRUM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PERSON'S NEEDS ARE AND HOW TO RESPOND TO THEM SO THAT THEIR FAMILY IS COMFORTABLE. THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO BECOME A CERTIFIED DESTINATION OF THIS AUTISM FRIENDLY AND I WILL STEAL A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHAMBER'S THUNDER. WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY DONE THAT SO WE WILL HAVE A NICE NOVEMBER 10TH BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS KIND OF TWO FULL PROJECT WHEN IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. IT'S NICE TO BE FRIENDLY TO PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS IN YOUR AREA. BUT THERE'S ALSO AN ECONOMIC COMPONENT TO IT. FAMILIES THAT HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM OFTEN STRUGGLE TO FIND A DESTINATION THIS THEY CAN TRAVEL TO. THAT IS ACCOMMODATING FOR THEM. AND THEY ARE SHOWN TO HAVE I GUESS A PENT UP DEMAND FOR TRAVEL AND THEY ALSO TEND TO SPEND A GOOD BIT OF MONEY WHEN THEY ARE ON A TRIP. SO IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO AND HAS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER TO IT. [03:55:03] THEN THE THIRD PIECE OF THIS CONTRACT IS FOR THE KNIGHTS OF LIGHTS EXPANSION. THIS IS ALSO AN ONGOING INITIATIVE. WE STARTED THIS I BELIEVE IN 2017 AND IT'S ANOTHER GRANTS PROGRAM WHERE WE USE THESE FUNDS TO PUT THE LIGHT ON TOP OF THE BUILDINGS, ABLE TO EXPAND THOSE LIGHTS OVER TO OUR SIDE OF THE BRIDGE OF LIONS. ON MAIN STREET SO FOR 2026 NIGHTS OF LIGHTS, THEN HASTINGS MAIN STREET WILL PARTICIPATE FOR THE FIRST TIME. A CONTRACT THAT DOES HAVE SOME RENEWAL OPTIONS TO IT. $152,000 THE DAY THAT WE ARE VOTING ON AMENDMENT THREE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY WEBSITES. I JUST FEEL LIKE THE BUDGET I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LOT TO SPEND IN THE NIGHTS OF LIGHTS. I MEAN HASTINGS, DID THEY-- THERE ARE CRA AND THERE'S PART OF NIGHTS OF LIGHTS. WHICH INCLUDES HAVING MORE PUBLIC SERVICE. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. CAN WE JUST HAVE-- BUT SHE WASN'T SURE WHEN I STARTED THAT SHE WAS JOINED US. SHE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUES QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> YES, I JUST WANTED TO BREAK IT DOWN. SO DSH WOULD GET $95,000 AND THE YOU A TIM TRAINING WAS WHAT 45? 42 OKAY. HASTEINGS WAS WHAT? >> NIGHTS OF LIGHTS INFO. THE NIGHTS OF LIGHTS PROGRAM. SO WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE HASTINGS. JUST FOR ANY BUSINESSES WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE. >> I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THE YOU A PHILADELPHIA I'M ALL FOR THAT. BUT THE FACT WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE CERTIFIED DESTINATION IS OF NOVEMBER 10TH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND WE'VE MET THAT GOAL. >> AN ONGOING PROJECT. AND YOU HAVE TO RECERTIFY. EVERY TWO YEARS? ALSO BRING MORE PEOPLE ON BOARD TO BE CERTIFIED. THE CERTIFICATION GETS US THAT NOTORIETY. SO NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE. A TOTAL OF 20 BUSINESSES AND FROM THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICE PROVIDEERS. SO IT WOULD BE RESTAURANTS. ACTUAL HOTELS OR MOE TOERLS ACCOMMODATIONS. SO A CERTAIN NUMBER FROM EACH ONE. AND SO WE'VE MET. THE MINIMUM NUMBER SUCCESSFULLY IN ORDER TO BE. AND AGAIN, IT'S THIS TWO-FOLD PART. IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. SO WE WANT TO BE MORE FRIENDLY AND WE WANT TO BE ACCOMMODATING. BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD, NICE THING TO DO. BUT ALSO THERE IS THIS ECONOMIC DRIVER TO IT. AND FOR MORE BUSINESSES THAT YOU HAVE CERTIFYED. MORE APPEALS CAN BECOME A DESTINATION TO THAT USER GROUP. SO IT'S KIND OF AN ONGOING PROGRAM. E SPECIALLY TO BECOME CERTIFIED. THREE OR FOUR BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. AND TO CERTIFIED DESTINATION IT GETS MORE ATTENTION. SO TO KEEP THAT PROGRAM GOING. >> OKAY SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE BUSINESSES DON'T PAY FOR THE AUTISM CERTIFICATION? A 50% REIMBURSEMENT AND THAT [04:00:01] GRANT RUNS THROUGH THE CHAMBER. SO THE CHAMBER OVERSEES IT. SINCE-- YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE STAFF. AND THEY ARE WILLING AND ABLE AND THEY HAVE THE CONNECTIONS WITH THE BUSINESSES. THE CHANGES WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES AND WITH IBCES WHICH IS THE CERTIFYING ENTITY OF THE WORK TO GET ALL THE STAFF TRAINED. AND THEN THE BUSINESS PAYS IBCC DIRECTLY AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE CHAMBER TO GET A 50% REIMBURSEMENT THAT WE PAY FOR WITH DDT. >> HOW LONG DOES THAT LAST? >> EVERY TWO YEARS SORT OF THING TO GET RECERTIFIED EVERY TWO YEARS. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM IT. WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE. >> I FEEL LIKE ARE YOU RUNNING THE AUTISM PROGRAM? ARE WE RUNG UP THE COUNTY? SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE RUNNING THE PROGRAM AND NOT THE MONEYS FOR THE CHAMBER? >> SO I AM TARA MEEKS. I AM THE DOES A FEW THINGS. SOMEONE TOURISM. SO I OVERSEE EXPENDITURE OF OUR TOURISM. OUR TBT. OUR TAX. THOSE REVENUES. AND SO IN THE YEAR OR TWO EXPEND THOSE FUNDS, THE COUNTY PUTS IN PLACE A NUMBER OF AGREEMENTS. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT I OVERSEE. SO I OVERSEE AS THE DIRECTOR OF THIS DEPARTMENT, AN AGREEMENT. WHICH IS THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAMBER. AND IN MY SPECIFIC CASE BECAUSE I OVERSEE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT JUST GENERAL FUND MONEY. I ALSO HAVE AN ADVISORY. WE HAVE ANNED A VIEDRY BOARD THE TBC. AND SO A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING AUTISM CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS. WE ALL CORRECTIVELY VETTED THIS. SO THE COUNTY STAFF AND THE CHAMBER AND WHAT WAS KIND OF FELT TO BE A GOOD WAY TO WORK FORWARD. WAS THAT WE COULD LEVERAGE THE CHANGE WITH THE BUSINESSES. AND THAT THE CHAMBER COULD PROVIDE STAFFING TO OVERSEE THIS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. SO THE COUNTY HAS THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND WE'VE AGREED TO A GRANTS PROGRAM THAT THE CHAMBER RUNS BUT THE COUNTY USES TDT FUNDS TO PAY FOR. SO WE FUND THE GRANT PROGRAM BUT IT'S MANAGED BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THE GRANTS PROGRAM IS. >> OKAY THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. MS. MEEKS I HAVE SAME CONCERN ABOUT ELECTION DAY TODAY WITH FUNDING THAT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH HAS. BUT THESE ARE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX DOLLARS. ARE THEY NOT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO THE TDT FUNDS. CORRECT-- I KNOW JUST ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS. SO TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX DOLLARS HAVE TO BE USED IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM TO PROMOTE TOURISM AND THE BUSINESSES RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. RELATED TO TOURISM. AM I IN THE BALLPARK? >> YES. THAT'S CORRECT. SO TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX IS A SPECIALIZED TAX THAT'S LEVIED ON ACCOMMODATIONS OF SIX MONTHS OR LESS. THEY GO INTO A SPECIAL FUND. THERE IS A FLORIDA STATUTE THAT GOVERNS HOW THEY ARE SPEND 125.0104 THAT STATUTE ALSO ACQUIRES WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE. SO WE HAVE THE FLORIDA STATUTE THAT GOVERNS THEM. THE ORDINANCE GOVERNS THEM FURTHER. WE SPLIT OURS UP INTO FIVE CATEGORIES AND WE ARE RESTRICTED ON THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE CAN EXPEND THESE ON. AND THEY ARE ALL HAVE TO BE TOURISM RELATED THINGS. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? >> ANNE SKZ A QUESTION. >> YEAH, I THINK SHE WAS GOING TO ADDRESS IT. >> MY QUESTION IS-- GOING TO BE DONE IN PONTE VEDRA. >> YES, THE 95,000 IS--. DOING AWAY WITH THE VISITORS CENTRE. >> SO IT'S NOT DOING AWAY WITH. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE THINGS. SO IN THE PAST THIS AGREEMENT HAS BEEN FOR A HIGHER DOLLAR VALUE. SO THIS YEAR WE ARE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE DOLLAR VALUE SO THE FUNCTION WE ARE GETTING RID OF IS THE VISITOR INFORMATION CENTRE. THE OTHER ITEMS ARE SIMILARLY FUNDED. WE'VE ACTUALLY ALSO REDUCED THE FUNDING FOR THE AUTISM GRANTS THAT USED TO PREVIOUSLY BE FUNDED AT 75. WE'VE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 72. SO OVERALL THIS CONTRACT IS A NEW CONTRACT AS PART OF AN ONGOING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER THAT HAS REOCCURRING PROGRAM FUNDS IN IT. WE HAVE OVERALL REDUCE THOSE FUNDS. WE'VE TOTALLY ILLUMINATED THE VISITOR INFORMATION CENTRE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW INITIATIVES AS PART OF THIS PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT IS ONGOING. IT'S IN THE YEAR I BELIEVE SEVEN AUTISM IS IN YEAR FOUR AND NIGHTS OF LIGHTS IS IN YEAR I THINK EIGHT. EXPANSION. BUT CERTAINLY ISABEL CAN GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON WHAT IS ENTAILED WITH THE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT. >> WHERE'S THAT $95,000 GOING? >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONER. [04:05:03] THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU. WHAT WE ARE DOING AND THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS PROGRAM. THIS AGREEMENT THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND I HAVE A FEW SLIDES I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU AND HAPPY TON SERT ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. SO FIRST I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE CHAMBER FOCUSED ON THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT IN THE PONTE VEDRE AREA STARTED IN 2015. THIS WAS A TIME WHEN I INITIATED A STUDY WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA EXPLORING HOW TO IMPROVE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE IN THE PONTE VEDRA AREA. IN 2017, WHERE WE BEGIN IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES. AND WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING THOSE STRATEGIES CONSISTENTLY SINCE THAT DATE EVERY YEAR. SO YOU'RE NOT USING, YOU'RE NOT PAID FOR A STUDY-- WE WILL BE USING THAT ASK CREATING THIS PROGRAM CAME TO LIFE EVERY YEAR SINCE 2017. SO THIS LED TO THE LAUNCH OF THE PONTE VEDRA EXPERIENCES IN 2020 AND SINCE THEN, WE'VE ADDED EXPERIENCES. THAT ARE RELATED TO ART, CULTURE, WELLNESS IN THE PONTE VEDRE AREA. SO AGREEMENTS FOR YOU TODAY SUPPORTS THE NEXT PHASE AND THE NEXT PHASE IS TO CONTINUE DEVELOPING THE DESTINATION IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM. ACTIVATE THE EXPERIENCES AND ALSO ACCESSIBLE TOURISM. SO THE DESTINATION. THIS WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IS MUCH BETTER THAN A WEBSITE. IN THE DISAGREEMENT, WE USE VISITOR RESEARCH. THE OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE BUSINESSES AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PONTE VEDRA AREA AND TOURISM FORCES RESOURCES EXPANSION. WE EVALUATE EACH EXPERIENCE AND EACH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE POTENTIAL TO ENCOURAGE STAYS. SO WHEN WE MEET WITH OUR GROUP AND WE MENTION THE GROUP IN A MINUTE, WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THE EXPERIENCES VERY THOROUGHLY. AND DECIDE AS A GROUP WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD ENOUGH LEVERAGE TO SUPPORT. AND ALSO TO PRESERVE WHAT--. ALTHOUGH THIS CONTRACT PURPOSE IS WILLING TO FOCUS ON OUT OF THE AREA VISITORS. ALL THOSE RESOURCES ARE A BENEFIT TO ALSO RESIDENTS. AND ALSO LOCAL BUSINESSES ASK TO PARTICIPATE. SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT. YES, IT IS FOR OUTSIDE VISITORS BUT ALWAYS THOSE EXPERIENCES AND HAVE THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THIS IS THE WORK THAT HAVE BEEN THE BUSINESSES BEEN WORKING. SINCE 2017. ON A REGULAR BASIS. SOME OF THEM ARE FOCUSED ON THE NATURAL EXPERTISE AND SOME OF THEM ON ART AND CULTURE AND THE WELLNESS WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ALL THE HOSPITALS REPRESENTED AND PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAMS. SO THE IMPORTANCE VALUE THAT THE CHAMBER ADDS WHERE WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PRODUCT IS NOT A CHAMBER PRODUCT. THIS IS THE KEY PRODUCT IN THE BUSINESSES AND THE STAKEHOLDERS. AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THAT THE VOICE OF THE BUSINESSES WAS HEARD. AND SO ESTABLISH A PRODUCT WORKING WITH HOSPITALITY. RECREATION, HEALTH CARE, AWARENESS, CULTURE, ART. AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. THIS PARTNER CONTRIBUTED THE EXPERTISE. AND ALSO HAVE PARKS AND REC-SIZED. AND KNOWLEDGE AND INSIGHT AND THE OPPORTUNITY AND GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AND REALLY UNIQUE. APPROACH ENSURES THAT OUR TOURISM NOT BY SINGLE ORGANIZATION OF THE CHAMBER. BUT I WONDER IF THE ORGANIZATION THAT REALLY KNOW THE DESTINATION BEST. SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THEY ARE THE DRIVER OF THIS PROGRAM. AND INSTRUMENTAL TO OUR ORIGINAL STRATEGY AND THE EXPERIENCES ARE REALLY CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY. SO, DESTINATION ACTIVATION. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN ADDITION TO ALL THE EXPERIENCES. CREATING IN THE EXPERIENCES. AND DESTINATION ACTIVATION GOING TO TURN THOSE ASSETS. THE CULTURE AND THOSE [04:10:01] EXPERIENCES. AND TURN THOSE ASSETS IN THE AREA. AND CONTINUE THE EXPERIENCES IN PONTE VEDRE ON THE SIDE. AND TO ENSURE THIS IS GOOD AREA. ABOUT NEW THINGS IN THE AREA IN PONTE VEDRA. AND THAT WILL CONNECT DIFFERENT ATTRACTIONS. INTO A FULL DAY SO SOMEBODY CAN START KAYAKING. THEN YOU COMPARE THAT WITH THE PONTVEDRA AND STOP VISITING AN ART GALLERY. AND WITH THAT TOGETHER. ANOTHER THING THEY ARE DOING AS WELL IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LOCAL CONNECTIONS TO THE BUSINESSES. WE KNOW VERY WELL HOW WE CAN WORK WITH OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO CREATE A LOCAL GUIDE. VISITOR-- VISIT LIKE A LOCAL. SO EXPERIENCE PONT VEDRA LIKE A LOCAL AND THIS IS GOING TO BE GEARED TOWARDS OUR CONCERT SFRS. AND WORK WITH BUSINESSES TO DISTRIBUTE THESE WITH THEM. AND BE ABLE TO MEET WITH OUR PRODUCT WORKING GROUP AS WELL. AND ENGAGE THEM THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND EXPERIENCE THAT AS A LOCAL GUIDE. AND WHEN WE LOOK CONTINUALLY STARTED AND HAVE OUR SHORT FIRST PERSON VISITOR. THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY PRACTICAL. PLENTY ARE CREATED BUT ONE IS THE PRACTICAL TRAVEL LOG THAT TELLS THE VISITORS WHERE TO GO. BUT WHAT OTHER ACCESS FOR YOU. THAT IS A PART IN THE MAKING OF OUR AREA. TO MAKE SURE THE VISITOR CORRECT-- YOU KNOW WE ATTRACT THEM HERE. BUT ONCE THEY ARE HERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE BEST EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE. SO THESE ARE REALLY RAISED REQUIRED TOGETHER. THEY REALLY HELP OUR PEOPLE EXPLORE PONTVEDRA AND WHAT IT HAS TO OFFER. AND REALLY CONNECT WITH THE BUSINESSES AND ALSO PRESERVE PONTVEDRA. IF YOU GO YOU WILL SEE SO MANY TIMES WE ASK OUR GUESTS TO BE VERY NATURE CONSCIOUS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE LEAVE THE PLACE BETTERER THAN WE FOUND IT. TO PROTECT OUR AREA. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS YEAR THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. ACCESSIBLE TOURISM. THIS IS A COUNTY WIDE PROGRAM. TARA TOUCHED ON EIGHT MINUTE AGO. AND SHE MENTIONED WHAT ARE THEY DOING BUT ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, THIS IS LAUNCHED AT A TIME AFTER COVID. AND DURING COVID WE HAD STRUGGLED WITH THE TAX DOLLARS. DURING COVID. THIS IS ALSO A WAY FOR OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY TO HAVE A NEW MARKET TO TAP IN. THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY RESOURCES TO DO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO RECEIVE THOSE VISITORS. THEY WERE ONTO THE SPECTRUM AND THE DIFFERENCES. IN THE PERIOD AS WELL BEFORE. SO THIS IS COUNTY WIDE. TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE BUSINESSES. THE MANAGEMENT. THERE IS THIS BIG VENUE MENTIONED GOES DIRECTLY TO THOSE BUSINESSES AND ASK FOR 50% MATCHING. THEY HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER 50% OF THAT. SO THE COUNTY, WITH THE COUNTY WE PERMIT THAT WE WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO PERMIT AND MANAGE TO REINVESTMENT IN THE PROGRAM. THAT QUALIFIES TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY BUSINESSES. NOT ONLY TO OBTAIN THE CERTIFICATION BUT ALSO TO MAINTAIN THE CERTIFICATION THROUGH THEIR CREDITATION ORGANIZATION IBCC-- SOME OF VIEW MET THEM AND ATTENDED A FEW OF OUR TRACTIONS CERTIFIED UNIT. IN THE ORGANIZATION. OUR ROLE INCLUDES OUTREACH OF F BUSINESSES AND WILL BE A PROGRAM OVERSIGHT. GREAT LOOKING ADDITION AND WE ALSO WANT CERTIFIED EXPERIENCES TO BE EASY TO FIND. SO THE ROLES AND WORK IN HIGHLIGHTED CERTIFIED BUSINESSES. THIS IS REALLY A PROGRAM THAT IS FANTASTIC BUT ALSO FOR OUR RESIDENT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THERE IS A POPULATION IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT HAVE [04:15:03] CHILDREN AND FAMILY MEMBERS ON THE SPECTRUM AND WE WILL BE SERVING THEM AS WELL THROUGH THE STRUGGLE THAT THE BUSINESSES ARE HAVING. SO THE VALUE IS NOT CERTIFICATION AS MENTIONED. IT IS ALSO TOURISM BUSINESSES BETTER PREPARED TO WELCOME ALL TYPES AND AS I MENTIONED, THE MARKET FOR THEM WOULD BENEFIT PROTOCOL FAMILY AS WELL. AND NIGHTS OF LIGHTS IS STARTED 2016. I LOVE SHARING THE STORY OF HOW THIS STARTED BECAUSE THIS STARTED AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEWS. OUR BUSINESSES WERE STRUGGLING AND WE GOT TOGETHER TO FIND OUT HOW CAN WE HELP THE BUSINESSES AND BRING FOOT TRAFFIC THERE AND THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING AN EXTENSION OF LIGHTS IN THE BUILDINGS AFTER THEY QUICKLY GOT LIGHTS UP. THESE TEAMS USING THE PROGRAM AND THE BUSINESSES. I THINK THEY HAVE SINGLE BUSINESSES. FOR THEIR FESTIVAL AS WELL. WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF HAVING THAT PROGRAM EXTENDED. >> OKAY. CAN I-- INTERRUPT FOR JUST A MINUTE. IS THAT TO ESTABLISH THE WEBSITE AND THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED TO MANAGE THOSE? >> YES. SO THE 95 INCLUDES ALL THIS. >> IS THAT A PERSON OR A WEBSITE? >> SO THE 95,000 IS GETTING TO A LOT OF THINGS. TO THE EXPERTISE, THEIR KNOWLEDGE. WE COULD ALSO USE IT FOR BRINGING CONSULTANT IF NEEDED. ALL THOSE EXPERIENCES. MANAGE IT IN-HOUSE. IT DOESN'T-- IT DOES COST SOME MONEY, YES. IT DOES. WITH THE EXPERTISE. >> THE PEOPLE. BUT TRYING TO GET TO WHAT-- THEIR PEOPLE. >> YES. TWO PEOPLE. YES. AND THEY WORK--. >> SO-- YOU HAVE CHAMBER. IT WAS FOR CHAMBER. SO WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE ON STAFF. WHERE WEB SEAT CREATION. SOCIAL MEDIA. AND YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO ALSO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ON STAFF GRADUATED FROM TOURISM MAJOR SO P. >> ONLY FOR PONT VEDR SNECHLT. ONLY THING IS GOING TO BE THE AUTISM CERTIFICATION AND THE NIGHTS OF LIGHTS. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PONTVEDRE. AND THIS STARTED BECAUSE OF THE DESIRE OF HAVING MORE FOCUS IN THAT AREA. >> OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YEAH, I JUST-- IF THAT'S OKAY. I WANT TO SHARE BECAUSE I'M THE LIAISON. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE A LOT OF WHAT YOU SHARED THEY DO. THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THAT. THEIR JOB. THEY ARE PROMOTING THEIR MARKETING PONT VEDRE QUITE A BIT. SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS TIME UNTIL WE'VE GOT TO WORK TOGETHER. THE WE HAVE DON'T WANT THE CHAMBER AND THE BCB DOING THINGS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS ONLINE THAT CAN HURT AND HARM EACH OTHER. YOU WANT TO WORK TOGETHER. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE PAUSE THIS UNTIL-- WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM AS WELL. AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AT THIS TIME. >> I AGREE. >> OKAY. LET'S GO G TO PUBLIC. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS IF SHE WOULD LIKE. >> PUBLIC COMMENTS PLEASE? >> YEAH. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND GIVE YOU THE TIME. >> JUSTIN-- FIRST OF ALL. I'VE LIVED IN PONTVEDRE BEACH. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN GETTING PEOPLE TO VISIT THERE. THANK YOU. TO THE CHAIR FOR BRINGING THIS OUT. I DON'T THINK I HEARD A COHERENT THOUGHT OF WHERE THIS MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING. IT SOUNDS LIKE A SLUSH FUND TO DO THREE THINGS. AUTISM, HELP PROMOTE PONT VEDRE TOURISM AND LIGHTS IN HASTINGS. LIKE NONE OF THOSE HAVE CONNECTIVE TISSUE AT ALL. THE FACT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ON THE BACKS OF SMALL BUSINESSES THE ABILITY TO PAY 50% OR GET A 50% REIMBURSEMENT FOR SOME CERTIFICATION FOR AUTISM THROUGH THE CHAMBER. [04:20:03] IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? BUSINESSES ALREADY BURDENED THAT ALREADY CAN'T MAKE IT. THE OWNER OF GRUMPY'S COMMIT SUICIDE IN SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT. SMALL BUSINESSES CLOSING LEFT AND RIGHT BECAUSE THERE IS NO ECONOMY TO SUPPORT THEM. BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BURDEN BUSINESSES EVEN MORE AND PUT THE COUNTY STAMP ON IT AND SAY YEAH WE'RE BEHIND THIS. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ALLOW FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE REGISTERED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND LICENSED TO BE PART OF THE COMMERCE? >> WOULD YOU DIRECT THAT. >> I APOLOGIZE. MY UNDERSTANDING AND I COULD BE WRONG THAT OUR OWN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WILL NOT ALLOW A FOOD TRUCK TO REGISTER AS A SMALL BUSINESS IN THIS TOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE A FOOD TRUCK. YET, APPARENTLY WE'RE ALL ABOUT WANTING TO HELP PEOPLE AND SMALL BUSINESSES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WHY WOULD OUR FOOD TRUCKS NOT BE ABLE TO REGISTER AND BE PART OF THEIR-- CLEARLY NOT WANTED. WHY WOULD WE BE STOPPING PEOPLE WHO LIVE, WORK AND OPERATE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND OPERATE BUSINESSES FROM BEING PART OF THEIR ORGANIZATION. >> GREAT QUESTION. >> YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. >> WE WILL WORK ON AN ANSWER OF THAT FOR YOU. >> YEAH. YOU KNOW-- I'VE NEVER GOT A CALL FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I PROBABLY HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST SMALL BUSINESS STORIES IN RECENT ST. JOHN'S HISTORY. COULD WE ALL AGREE ON THAT? LIKE I HAVES ONE THAT WAS THE BIGGEST PAIN? YEAH. RIGHT. SO THEY COULD HAVE CALLED ME. I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH PEOPLE. I SPENT ANOTHER $15,000 WHERE MATTHEW DESIGN GROUP. NOTHING AGAINST EVERYTHING I PAID THEM TO DO. STAFF THOUGHT MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP EVERY INCH. EVERY $15,000 THAT ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE AFTER I CAME TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S TOO MUCH IMPERVIOUS SERVICE THAT I CAN ADD A 4 FOOT WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY AROUND THE FOOD TRUCK. O NOW IT'S $15,000 THAT I SPENT AND I GOT ZERO IN RETURN FROM THE COUNTY STAFF. I STILL DON'T HAVE--. CIRCLE BACK AROUND. A COST SHARE-- WHAT YOU CONSIDER COST SHARE PROGRAM FOR OTHER ACTUAL SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY. WOULD YOU HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES OPERATE, GROW AND THRIVE? >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR AND WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. PLEASE TABLE THIS ITEM. LOOKS LIKE-- ABUSE TO ME. I AGREE WITH MR. JEREMIAH. I HAVE DONE-- ON HALLOWEEN EVENING I DID A RECORDS REQUEST. AND I ASKED FOR A SPREAD SHEET ASAP OF WELL DISBURSEMENTS OF THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY COMMERCE SUBSIDIARIES AND AFFILIATES FROM 1999 TO DATE. I ALSO ASKED FOR PDFS OF ALL CONTRACT FORMATIONS ON THE NOVEMBER 3RD CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. NEVER GOT A RESPONSE. GARY HART TOLD HIS STAFF AS A BRAND NEW UNITED STATES SENATOR THAT FOR EVERY LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL THEY NEED TO ASK IS IT BASED ON NEED OR GREED? WE HAVE NOT HEARD THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION FOR THIS ITEM. SO THEREFORE I WOULD SAY I AGREE IF I CAN CORRECTLY COMMISSIONERS. ALSO WHY WITH SUBSIDIZING THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.P WHO FOUN COMMERCE, WHEN AND WHERE? WHO IS FOUND BY PRESIDENT TAFT IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS AN ANTI-UNION ORGANIZATION. LOOK IT UP. SO I THINK IF YOU GO BACK AND ANSWER ANY RECORDS REQUEST. HUNDREDS OOF THOUSANDS MAYBE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MUCH HAVE WE DONE TO ENCOURAGE EMPLOYEES? IN A TIME OF COVID AND A TIME OF THE TRUMP ECONOMY? WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO HELP EMPLOYEES COPE WITH THE PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING NOW. PAYING THEIR RENT. BUYING DIESEL. IN THIS HALL WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TAKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR THE CHAMBER. WELL CHAMBER IS A SPECIAL INTEREST LOBY GROUP. MILLIONS OF MEMBERS AROUND THE UNITED STATES. THEY USE SMALL BUSINESSES AS A FRONT. THEY ARE REALLY ABOUT EXXON AND BP AND BIG CORPORATIONS. SO I WOULD OBJECT TO GIVING THEM ANYMORE MONEY. UNTIL MY RECORDS REQUEST OF OCTOBER 31ST IS ANSWERED. HOUP MONEY. LET'S SEE THE SPREAD SHEET AND WHAT ARE THE FORMATION DOCUMENTS AND ONE OF THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE A LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER. [04:25:01] WHO BENEFITS? AND WHAT ABOUT WORKING PEOPLE. HAVE WE EVER HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LABOUR UNION? HAVE WE EVER DONE ANYTHING WITH THE WORKERS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. PLEASE DO SO THEY NEED HELP. PEOPLE NEED HELP. AND NOT BIG BUSINESS. AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS NOTHING BUT BIG BUSINESS LOBY GROUP. AND IF YOU'VE BEEN TO WASHINGTON, YOU CAN PICTURE YOUR HEADQUARTERS. >> ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. RIGHT NOW YOU HAD A LOT OF DETAIL UP THERE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH ALL THE PARTNERS. THAT YOU REMEMBER WORKING WITH ON THIS INITIATIVE? >> YES. >> I THOUGHT I SAW THAT. SO ONE OF THE PARTNERS WAS THE VCV ON THIS INITIATIVE. >> YES THEY'VE PARTICIPATED IN EVERY PROGRAM AND ATTENDED EVERY OF THOSE PRODUCT GROUPS. IN FACT THEY HAVE PROVIDED A LOT OF IDEAS FOR THE CONTENT OF THOSE EXPERIENCES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, ALL THOSE EXPERIENCES ARE LINKED TO THE VCV WEBSITE IN ALL OF THE PAGES. WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE VCV WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. WHAT OUR ROLE IS VERY DIFFERENT. OUR ROLE IS PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT. NOT PRODUCT MARKETING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR REVENUE FOR FUNDING TO MARKET THE AREA. AND THOSE EXPANSES. WE ONLY ALLOW THE VCV TO DO THAT. THAT'S THEIR EXPERTISE. PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT. AND THE COMMUNITY. AND RESIDENTS WE WANT TO SEE IN THE SPECIFIC AREA OF THE VERY VULNERABLE. WE HAVE PEOPLE VERY ENGAGED. WE HAVE-- SERVICE AND THOSE WORKING WITH ARE SO EXCITED BECAUSE THEY ARE ABOUT TO CONTRIBUTE TOO MUCH TO THOSE EXPERIENCES. AND IN THE SPACE OF PONT V EMENT DR SXECHLT BEEN THERE 20 YEARS TO DISCOVER. SO THIS IS A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS. THIS IS NOT JUST GOOGLE SOME THINGS AND PUT THEM UP THERE. WE HAVE DONE OUR RESEARCH THROUGH ALL OF THIS. AND WE ARE IMPLEMENTING STRUCTURES 2017 THE VCV HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER AND SUPPORTER OF THIS. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR FOLLOW UP WITH THE PARTNERSHIP. IN OPPOSITION TO THIS? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY FROM A VCB. I'M AWARE THAT YOU ARE THE BOARD LIAISON SO THAT COMMITTEE. >> THE LIAISON TO IT. AND I ATTEND EVERY MEETING THAT THEY HAVE. I JUST FEEL MUCH BET FOR WE POSTPONE THIS AND ACTUALLY HAD THEM HERE AS WELL. BUT LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS SPEND-- REGARDLESS OF IF THIS IS COMING FROM THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS, HOWEVER OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE COMING, WE NEED TO REALLY SCRUTINIZE EVERY DOLLAR. AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE DOING ANYTHING AT THIS TIME. WOULD FEEL MUCH BETTER IF WE HAD SOMEONE FROM THE VCB HERE Select to skip to this part of the video"> WOULD FEEL MUCH BETTER IF WE HAD SOMEONE FROM THE VCB HERE AS WELL. AND THE CHAMBER. TO MAKE SURE NOTHING IS BEING DUPLICATED OR ANYTHING. BUT AIM NOT COMFORTABLE AT THIS POINT GOING FORWARD. >> I DON'T NEED THEM TO BE SHY. THEY HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER AND REACHEDOUS WHEN SHE HAS ISSUES. . COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR YOU ARE AT THE TTC MEETING AND WE HAD QUITE A LONG DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS, RIGHT? . INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. CONVERSATIONS. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED DURING YOUR BRIEFING. I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING ANY NIGHTS OF LIGHTS INITIATIVES IN PONT VEDRA AND THERE WASN'T. BUT THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL THE REST OF THIS. >> DOES IT MATTER IF WE PUT THIS OFF AND FIGURE IT OUT? >> PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE CHAMBER. THEY DO I THINK HAVE SOME TIMING ISSUES. >> SO LET ME JUST WEIGH IN IF YOU WILL. I'VE WORKED WITH THE CHAMBER FOR MANY YEARS. AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AMOUNT COMING FROM TAX DOLLARS. SO I WOULD BE MAKING A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2026-. >> 371. >> AUTHORIZING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DESIGNATE EXCOUPS CUTE AN AGREEMENT AND SUBSTANTIATE SAME FORMAT AS ATTACHED HERETO BETWEEN ST. [04:30:01] JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PROVIDING FOR TOURIST RELATED SERVICES >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND . LET'S VOTE. IT PASSES 3-TO CONGRATULATIONS. I AM A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE CHAMBER FOR MANY YEARS, AND I THINK THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. I THINK THIS PARTICULAR THING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARKETING AND CONTENT, THINK IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT TO SPEND. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE FORGOTTEN BIRD THE OTHER MONIES IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HASTINGS. YOU NEVER SAID YOU'RE PUTTING THAT MONEY TO HASTINGS, IT WAS THE BEACH AND HASTINGS WAS GOIN TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FESTIVITIES FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR. I DIDN'T HEAR ANY CONFLICT WITH [Commissioners’ Reports] THAT EITHER. LET'S GO TO THE COMMISSIONER REPORTS AND GO TO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT PRESENTATION THIS MORNING. IT WAS REALLY TOUCHING. I WANT TO SAY IT'S REALLY HEARTFELT THANK YOU TO THE STAF OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. SO MANY OF YOU HAVE BECOME FRIENDS, SOME FAMILY COMMITMENT EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WEDDINGS, FUNERALS, BIRTHDAYS, BABIES, AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST STAFF IN THE ENTIRE WORLD HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR AND PRIVILEG TO HAVE WORKED WITH YOU TO WORK HAND-IN-HAND WITH YOUR. WE GET A LOT OF CREDIT APPEAR FOR THINGS THAT WE ACCOMPLISH, BUT NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE INCREDIBLE SUPPORT OF THE STAFF WE HAVE HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I JUST WANTED TO SIGN OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU, I'M GRATEFUL TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR GREAT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. YOU HAVE BEEN A TIRELESS ADVOCATE AND I KNOW GREAT FIGHT AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED WITH THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM ARE REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU DRIVING THE BUS EVEN IF IT' ON FIRE. THING IN THE SMOKE. GOOD JOB VERY THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I HAVE ONE ITEM I NEED TO AS FOR CONSENSUS FROM THIS BOARD T ALLOW ME TO WORK WITH STAFF TO AMEND AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO OUR BILLBOARDS THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF BILLBOARDS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I'M TOLD THAT OUR ORDINANCE MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT ONEROUS T DO THAT, BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THEM BILLBOARDS IF WE COULD REPLACE COUPLE WITH SOME DIGITAL SIGNS. AT LEAST THAT'S MY BEST UNDERSTANDING. IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS TO WORK WITH STAFF AND TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE BOARD SO WE CAN SCRUTINIZE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> WE HEARD EARLIER REGARDING OUR ANIMAL SHELTER AND I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT IT IS VERY THEORY. FULL RIGHT NOW. I THINK EVERY CAGE IS FULL AS W APPROACH THE HOLIDAYS, IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT CONSIDER TAKING IN ANOTHER MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY , THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN HEARING THAT ARE SHELTER IS SO FULL THAT WE HAVE TO TURN AWAY ANIMALS, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. ALSO, IT IS ELECTION DAY IN I D HOPE EVERYONE GETS OUT AND VOTE AND WE WILL KNOW THIS EVENING HOW THINGS ARE LOOKING. THAT ENDS MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'VE JUST GOT ONE THING. RON PARKER PARK THIS SIGN AT TH KICKBALL FOR CALLS EVERY YEAR I I WOULD ASK FOR CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD IF WE COULD WAVE THEI FEE FOR THAT EVENT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT [County Administrator’s Report] CONSENSUS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. MISS INTEREST, WOULD YOU LIKE T DO YOUR REPORT? >> I DON'T HAVE A REPORT I WANT TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. WE HAS A STAFF HAVE WITNESSED WHAT SHE HAS DONE FOR THIS COUNTY AND THE EFFORT THAT SHE HAS PUT INCOME AT THE CONTRIBUTION AND THE DISTRICT DIFFERENCES THAT SHE HAS MADE I THE WORLD OF MENTAL HEALTH, OUR FIRE RESCUE AND A LOT OF OUR POPULATIONS ARE MOSTLY DISADVANTAGED. WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM HER IN CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR TERM AND CONGRATULATIONS, GOOD LUCK, [County Attorney’s Report] AND WILL MISS YOU. >> ALSO TO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ON BEHALF OF OCA AND S COMMISSIONER TAYLOR SAID THERE'S STILL TIME TODAY IT'S STILL EARLY, IT'S ACTUALLY STILL LIGHT, PLEASE REMEMBER TO GET OUT AND VOTES. >> UNLESS THERE IS ANYTHING ELS THAT WOULD BE FOR THE GOOD OF * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.