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          >> THE ST JOHNS COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY BOARD WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU. 
          >> EVERYONE: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND 
          JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. 
          MISS. >> , WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE 
          PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT. >> YES, CHAIR. 
          THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. 
          THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT AGENCIES RELEVANT JURISDICTION AND TO BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM, AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH SHALL BE 3 MINUTES. 
          SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. 
          IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAYBE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS, AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE. WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS BASED. 
          ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION IN TO THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES OR THE COUNTY, IN REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THEM. 
          AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM SHOULD HAVE THEM STATING WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMER HEARING OF THE AGENCY. 
          IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. 
          CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER, EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO 
          [PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval]
TE ISSUES, AND WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. 
          >> THANK YOU, MISS. WE NOW HAVE SOME AGENCY BOARD MEETING MINUTES TO APPROVE FROM SEPTEMBER 3RD. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE SEPTEMBER 3RD MEETING MINUTES? SEEING NONE, WE WILL DO A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE? 
          [Public Comments ]
OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          WE ARE NOW TO THE POINT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS TYPICALLY RESERVED FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. IF THERE IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO, YOU WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM COMES UP. 
          IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW TO A PARTICULAR ITEM AND IT IS ON THE AGENDA, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET TO SPEAK WHEN IT COMES UP. 
          IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS BOTHERING YOU, AN ISSUE IN YOUR MIND, LET US HEAR FROM YOU. 
          OTHERWISE WE DON'T EXPECT TO HEAR FROM YOU. 
          -- WE WILL EXPECT TO HEAR FROM YOU WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING TODAY? 
          [1. SUPMIN 2026-07 620 Kinlaw Road.  Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 2.03.08 of the Land Development Code, to allow for a Manufactured/Mobile Home in Residential, Single-Family (RS-3) zoning, specifically located at 620 Kinlaw Road.]
SEEING NONE, I WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN INTERPRETER HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 1. IS THE INTERPRETER HERE? DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO PROCEED WITHOUT THE INTERPRETER, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT A LITTLE WHILE? YOU WILL DO IT WITHOUT THE INTERPRETER? OKAY. SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          A MINOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON KEN LOB ROAD. 
          AND TABATHA LEWIS IS THE PRESENTER AND THE APPLICANT, APPARENTLY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          >> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON-- 
          >> I AM SORRY. I THOUGHT OF IT A SECOND AND I BLANKED OUT. MR. TRAN TO? 
          >> YES, I WAS AT THE SIGHT. >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. NO ONE ELSE FOR EXPERTISE. 
          SO THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS. >> THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS TABATHA LEWIS. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE 
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PROPERTY OWNERS REGARDING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THIS LOCATION. THE REQUEST IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RS THREE AND WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL TO PLACE ONE PRE-OWNED MANUFACTURED HOME ON THE PROPERTY FOR USE AS A PERMANENT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS. I WILL BRIEFLY SHOW YOU THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT. SOME EXAMPLES OF MANUFACTURED HOMES THAT EXIST IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE ACTUAL HOME THAT THE OWNERS INTEND TO PLACE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY-- HERE WE GO. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT. 
          RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AT 620 CAN-- 620 KINLAW ROAD. 
          WE ARE NOT REQUESTING A REZONING OR CHANGE TO THE UNDERLYING RS THREE ZONING. MANUFACTURED ZONES ARE ALLOWED IN RS THREE THROUGH SPECIAL USE PROCESS, WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. 
          THE PROPOSAL IS FOR ONE MANUFACTURED HOME THAT WOULD SERVE AS A SINGLE PERMANENT FAMILY RESIDENTS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT ON THE RIGHT OF THIS SLIDE. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THE DETAILS OF THAT PLAN YET. 
          BECAUSE I WILL SHOW IT ENLARGED IN A MOMENT. 
          FIRST I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT ABOUT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. WHICH IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE MANY MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE NOT-- MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE NOT NEW TO THIS AREA. THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS PERSONALLY TOOK OF EXISTING MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT STREET ADDRESS FOR EACH ONE, SO I INTENTIONALLY DID NOT LABEL THEM, BUT IF NECESSARY WE CAN DESCRIBE THEIR APPROXIMATE LOCATIONS. THEY ARE ALL WITHIN A MILE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WHAT WE WANTED TO DOCUMENT FOR THE AGENCY IS THAT MANUFACTURED HOUSING AS PART OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, THESE ARE NOT STOCK PHOTOGRAPHS. THEY ARE NOT EXAMPLES FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY. THEY ARE HOMES THAT ARE IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT IN MIND, WE WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY HOW THE PROPOSED HOME WOULD SIT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS THE ENLARGED SITE PLAN FOR 620 KEN LOB ROAD, STEWART AVENUE, AS YOU CAN SEE, HIS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE FRONT OF THE LOT, AND THE REAR IS TOWARDS THE WEST, NEAR THE EXISTING TREES AND RAILROAD CORRIDOR. 
          THE PROPOSED MANUFACTURED HOME IS 28 FEET BY 40 FEET AND IS POSITIONED WITHIN THE BUILDABLE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE REQUIRED FRONT SETBACK ALONG STEWART AVENUE IS 25 FEET. 
          THE REAR SETBACK IS 10 FEET AND THE NORTH SIDE SETBACK IS 8 FEET. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE SOUTHSIDE SETBACK IS SHOWN AT 1D THAT IS INTENTIONAL. 
          WE WERE INFORMED THAT THE LOT IMMEDIATELY TO BE SOUTH OF LOT FOUR WAS ACQUIRED BY ST JOHNS COUNTY, AND WE CONFIRM THE APPLICABLE SETBACK ON THAT SIDE LOT THREE, IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF LOT FOUR, IS ALSO OWNED BY THE SAME OWNERS. 
          SO THE PURPOSE IS TO SHOW THAT NOT JUST THAT THIS HOME CAN FIT ON THE PARCEL, BUT WHERE THE PROPOSED HOME WOULD BE PLACED IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND THE APPLICABLE SETBACKS. NOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN WHERE THE HOME WOULD BE LOCATED, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL HOME THAT THE OWNERS INTEND TO PURCHASE AND PLACE ON THE PROPERTY. THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURED HOME PROPOSE FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          IT'S NOT A REPRESENTATIVE MODEL OR RENDERING. 
          IT'S A 2022 CLAYTON DRAKE, MEASURING 28 FEET BY 40 FEET WITH THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS, WITH VINYL SIDING AND SHINGLE ROOF. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE AGENCY TO SEE THE HOME, RATHER THAN RELYING ON A DESCRIPTION OF IT. IF THE SPECIAL USE IS APPROVED, THIS IS THE HOME THE OWNERS INTEND TO INSTALL ON-SITE, SHONE ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE, SUBJECT OF COURSE TO APPLICABLE PERMITTING AND INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS. 
          -- SHOWN ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE. FINALLY I WANTED TO BRING TOGETHER THE INFORMATION WE HAVE BROUGHT WITH THIS REVIEW. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THIS, THE PHOTOGRAPHS I SHOWED YOU DOCUMENT THAT MANUFACTURED AND MOBILE HOMES EXIST WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SECOND, WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE ITSELF, WE PROVIDED A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE HOME AND THE APPLICABLE SETBACKS, INCLUDING THE 15-FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY TO THE SOUTH. AND THIRD, THIS REQUEST IS LIMITED IN SCOPE. WE ARE PROPOSING ONE MANUFACTURED HOME ON A VACANT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR USE AS ONE PERMANENT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FACTS WE WANTED TO PUT BEFORE THE AGENCY, SO YOU HAVE BOTH THE SITE SPECIFIC INFORMATION, AND THE VISUAL. 
          SORRY, TO FAR. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS 
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YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROPERTY IN THE PROPOSED HOME, THE SITE 
          PLAN OR THE APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> I'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THE INTERPRETER IS HERE NOW. 
          >> WE SEE HIM. THANK YOU. 
          >> I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          BUT YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          >> MR. LABANOWSKI? >> WATER AND SEWER IS ON-SITE? 
          >> THE WATER, IT IS NOT CITY WATER, IT WILL BE WELL AND SEPTIC. AND THAT IS BEING PERMITTED SEPARATELY. WE WANTED TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE SPECIAL USE BEFORE SUBMITTING THAT APPLICATION FOR 
          THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. >> THROUGH MR. SMITH, IS THE MINIMUM AN ACRE OR A HALF-ACRE FOR SEWER AND WATER ON THE SAME LOT? OR WELL, I SHOULD SAY. 
          >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. LABANOWSKI USED QUESTION, THIS IS A PLOTTED OUT LOT. SO IT'S ALL THE PERMITS AND DONE THROUGH THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, AND IT IS OTHERWISE ALLOWABLE, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE STANDARD. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER? IF SO, COME FORWARD, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. NO ONE NEEDS TO SPEAK TO THIS? NO BURNING DESIRE TO LET US KNOW THAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT IT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. MATOVINA, I SEE YOUR LIGHT ON. 
          >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2026-07, 620 KINLAW ROAD, BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACTS PROVIDED IN THIS PRESENTATION. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. MATOVINA. 
          SECOND BY MS. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. PUT OUR VOTING SCREENS UP. 
          THAT PASSES SIX TO ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS. 
          [2. SUPMAJ 2026-10 Ancient City Farmstead.  Request for a Special Use permit pursuant to Land Development Code (LDC) Section 2.03.01.A to allow for a Special Event Venue, LDC Section 2.03.02 to allow for Alcoholic Beverages, LDC Section 2.03.15 to allow for an Unpaved Parking Lot, and LDC Section 2.03.55 to allow a Large Place of Assembly in Open Rural (OR) zoning, specifically located a 395 Saint Marks Pond Boulevard. ]
ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 2. 
          ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT. A MAJOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ANCIENT CITY FARMSTEAD. MARK SHELTON IS THE PRESENTER. 
          AND DO WE HAVE ANY EXPORTATION? MISS. 
          >> YES, I HAD A COUPLE PHONE CALLS WITH BERT EDMONSON AND A SITE VISIT WITH BROOKE EDMONSON. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MARK SHELTON. THAT IS IT. 
          >> MR. MATOVINA? >> I HAD A MEETING WITH BROOKE EDMONSON AND PAUL AND DANIEL. AND IN-PERSON MEETING, AND I 
          MADE A SITE VISIT TO THE ROAD. >> MISS PERKINS. 
          >> I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH THE OWNER AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE APPLICATION. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          >> MR. TRAN TO? >> I VISITED THE SITE AND HAD AN 
          ON-SITE MEETING AS WELL. >> MR. GREEN? THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS YOURS, MARK. 
          >> THANK YOU. MARK SHELTON. 
          KIMLEY AND ASSOCIATES. JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA, 332, 58. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. OF COURSE. 
          TODAY I AM ASKING YOUR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ANCIENT CITY FARMSTEAD. AND I WILL GET TO THE REQUEST IN A SECOND. WITH ME TODAY IS ILL SHILLING WITH KINGLY HORN, AND BROOKE EDMONSON AT THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS IS A PROPERTY ON ST. MARK'S POND BOULEVARD. 
          ACROSS FROM A LANDFILL. AND IT'S DOWN THE STREET FROM THE INDUSTRIAL AREA. AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA. 
          AND THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A SPECIAL EVENT VENUE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SERVICE IN USE. UNPAID PARKING LOT IN LARGE PLACE OF ASSEMBLY. THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AS YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW IS THE LANDFILL, THAT'S THE INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          FURTHER UP NORTH IS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND THERE IS COMMERCIAL UP THERE THAT SAYS 2018, 34. 
          ALSO THE PEACE THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROJECT IS AN INDUSTRIAL PBD THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR. 
          THE ZONING IS OPEN AND RURAL. THIS IS A QUICK LITTLE SYNOPSIS 
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OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS VENUE. 
          THIS INCLUDES SHOWING THE ACCESS, THE OFFICE. 
          THE VENDOR AREAS. THE PARKING AREAS, AND THE VIP. 
          DINING HALL, EXCUSE ME. ONE CONCERN WAS FOR PARKING. 
          AND I WANTED TO IDENTIFY THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. YOU CAN SEE OUR PARKING PLAN FOR ALL VENUES IS MADE UP OF LOT A BEING THE PRIMARY PARKING LOT ON-SITE, WHICH CAN HOLD 360 VEHICLES CONSISTENT WITH LDC STANDARDS. LOT B, WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBORING INDUSTRIAL P.E.D., WHICH MISSED-- PUD, WITH MR. SMITH ALLOWED US TO USE THAT PROPERTY FOR PARKING. 
          WHICH CAN HOLD ANOTHER 350. AND LOT C, COMMERCIAL UP TO THE NORTH, WE AGREED TO SHIFT PARKING THERE FOR OVERLOAD AND OFFER SHUTTLE SERVICE IN CASE WE NEED THAT ONE. 
          ALTOGETHER, IT IS 1030 PARKING SPACES. 
          FOR ANY KIND OF OVERLOAD. WE COMPLIED WITH THE TRAFFIC STANDARDS. THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR TRAFFIC HERE, AND WE WORKED WITH STAFF. WE LOOKED AT LDC AND ANALYSE THE TRAFFIC AND WE CONCURRED WITH THE STAFF REQUEST ON CONDITION NUMBER 13, WHICH SAYS FOR LARGE EVENTS, 300 OR MORE, THAT WE WILL HAVE A SHERIFF'S OFFICE COME OUT AND HELP CONTROL TRAFFIC. A LOT OF WORDS ON THERE, SO I JUST TRIED TO SUM IT UP. THIS IS A SPECIAL USE CRITERIA. 
          IT FOCUSES ON COMPATIBILITY, IMPACT ON ROADS, PEAK TRIPS, LIGHTING, NOISE LEVELS. WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT AND WE BELIEVE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT. 
          WE ARE IN A GOOD LOCATION, A MILE AWAY FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL, ACROSS THE STREET FROM LANDFILL NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL AREA WITH COMMERCIAL AROUND US AND CONSERVATION BEHIND US. WE WILL MEET ALL LDC STANDARDS FOR LIGHTING AND NOISE. FINALLY, ONE THING I ASKED BROOKE AND DANA IS TO REACH OUT TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR. 
          WHAT TO OUR NEIGHBORS THINK. WE HAVE SEEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR TYLER-- FROM TYLER SMITH ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL PUD IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY. LENNY BEAUX-ARTS, A USER OF THIS EVENT VENUE, THE BEAUX-ARTS FORD LINCOLN. 
          AND SOME LOCAL RESIDENTS. BRENT, JEFFREY, PATRICK, AND MICHAEL, ALL LOCAL RESIDENTS. FINALLY WE TALK TO A BUSINESS OWNER. AND HE HAS SENT A LETTER OF SUPPORT. ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO STAFF AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED IN THE REPORT. 
          FINALLY, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE 20 CONDITIONS WAS THAT WE KEEP THE BERM. HERE IS A RECENT PICTURE OF THE 10-FOOT BERM ALONG ST. MARK'S POND BOULEVARD. 
          THIS HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY STAFF TO REMAIN. 
          WE HAVE MADE IT BETTER AND PUT IN RAILWAY TIES AT THE BOTTOM TO STABILIZE IT AND PUT IN THE GRASS TO KEEP THE DIRT FROM RUNNING OFF. FINALLY WE ACCEPTED, THERE ARE 20 CONDITIONS AND WE ARE FINE WITH 17 OF THOSE 20 CONDITIONS. 
          THE THREE THAT HAVE-- THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT FOR REVISIONS HAVE BEEN VETTED WITH STAFF. 
          WE BELIEVE IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          ONE, THEY ASKED TO REMOVE THE SHED BECAUSE IT'S UNPERMITTED. 
          WE AGREED IT-- AGREED TO PERMIT AND OTHER IS TO CLARIFY HOW MANY ATTENDEES, TRIPS AND LARGE EVENTS FOR THE SHERIFF TO BE CALLED OUT. AND WE AGREED FOR THAT TO BE 300. THE FINAL THING IS THAT WE AGREED, THE CONDITION WAS FOR TEN LARGE EVENTS, WE ARE ASKING FOR 12 LARGE EVENTS ONCE A MONTH. 
          AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER EVENT VENUES. 
          WITH THAT, I KNOW YOU HAVE A FULL AGENDA, AND I WILL STAND BY 
          WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? MR. TRAN-2? DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO PRESENT BEFORE WE ASK THIS QUESTION? 
          >> NO SARAH. I HAVE SOMETHING TO SUBMIT TO YOU ALL. THANK YOU. 
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          >> THIS IS JUST WHAT YOU TOLD US. 
          ALL RIGHT. >> THE LARGER FENCE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE WEEKENDS? 
          >> LARGER FENCE-- EVENTS ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY STATED FOR WEEKENDS, BUT IF THEY ARE ON WEEKDAYS IT WILL BE AFTER 
          6:00 P.M. >> I VOICED MY CONCERN WHEN I DID THE VISIT OUT THERE. THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE ON IDP. 
          IF YOU ARE LOOKING WEST OF ST. MARK'S POND, THAT'S 109% CAPACITY. IF YOU LOOK TOWARDS ROUTE ONE, THAT RIGHT NOW IS AT 152 CAPACITY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING EVENTS DURING THE RUSH HOUR TIME FRAME IN THE MORNING AND EVENINGS. 
          >> THAT'S WHY AGREED ON THE WEEKDAYS DO NOT HOLD EVENTS BETWEEN FOUR AND 6:00 P.M. WHICH ARE PEAK HOURS. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THEN THAT IS IT. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK FROM-- TO THIS ITEM? IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. 
          SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK IN TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. MR. MATOVINA. 
          >> I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS AND CHANGES. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU TALK TO STAFF ABOUT ABOUT THE 12 EVENTS, AND THAT SORT OF THING. WOULD A BUSINESS LIKE THIS PROPOSE A DIFFERENT CONDITION, AND BASICALLY THAT WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF EVENTS. 
          BUT THE ISSUE WOULD BE FOR MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, ON EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN LIKE 600 PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO SCHEDULE THE ARRIVAL OF THE ATTENDEES OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. AND ON FRIDAYS, I COULD NOT START BEFORE 4:00 O'CLOCK. I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO YOUR CLIENT THAN PLACING A LIMIT ON THEM. 
          AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE NO LIMIT ON THE SMALL EVENTS OR LARGE EVENTS, OTHER THAN THIS CONDITION. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK YOUR CLIENT WOULD ACCEPT? 
          >> YES, SIR. >> THEN I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 20 2026-10, ANCIENT CITY FARMSTEAD BASED ON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND 20 CONDITIONS, AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, EXCEPT FOR WITH THESE CHANGES. 
          CONDITION FOUR WOULD BE CHANGED IN IT'S ENTIRETY TO BASICALLY PROVIDE THAT FOR EVENTS ON MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, THAT IF THE EVENT IS EXPECTED TO HAVE MORE THAN 600 ATTENDEES, IT HAS TO BE OUTSIDE OF WEEKDAY PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS, AND FOR EVENTS ON FRIDAY, THE EVENTS EXCEEDING 600 CANNOT BEGIN BEFORE 4:00 O'CLOCK. THAT'S HOW I WILL CHANGE NUMBER 4. NUMBER 10 I WOULD CHANGE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SUGGESTED CHANGE, WHICH IS YOU WOULD CROSS OUT THE WORDS "AND VIEWING DECK"-- WELL, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU WOULD CROSS OUT THE WORDS "UNPERMITTED SHED." AND "VIEWING DECK SHALL BE REMOVED-- REMOVED PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND THE UNPERMITTED SHED SHALL BE SUBJECT TO-- ARE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A PERMIT." AND THE LAST ITEM ON THE LIST HERE IS NUMBER 13, AND IT WOULD READ TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES, ST JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF. 
          CONTROL OF THE INTERSECTION SHALL BE USED FOR ALL EVENTS HAVING 300 OR MORE ATTENDEES. THAT IS MY MOTION. 
          >> WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR STAFF LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED BY MR. MATOVINA? 
          >> DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
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JACOB SMITH FOR THE RECORD. NO OBJECTIONS TO MATOVINA'S 
          REQUEST. >> THE ONLY QUESTION-- I WAS WRITING QUICKLY. HOW DID YOU WANT TO HANDLE FRIDAYS? [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          >> FRIDAY THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE EVENTS AT 4:00. 
          WHICH IS PEAK HOURS. BUT MOST PEOPLE HAVE GONE HOME BY 4:00 O'CLOCK ANYWAY. THEY CAN'T HAVE EVENTS WAS 600 OR MORE PEOPLE BEFORE 4:00 O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY PERIOD. 
          BUT AT 4:00 O'CLOCK THEY CAN HOLD AN EVENT. 
          >> YES, THOSE ARE ALL VALID, AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH THE CHANGES. AND HE HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE 
          IS. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S GET OUR VOTING SCREEN UP, PLEASE. 
          [3. ZVAR 2026-26 Bishop Estates Road.  Request for a Zoning Variance to Section 2.02.04.A.3 of the Land Development Code to allow a detached garage to be located within the required Front Yard; Table 6.01 to allow for a Front Yard setback of 10 feet in lieu of the required 30 feet; and Section 6.01.03.H.2 to allow mechanical equipment to be located within the required Front Yard in Residential, Single Family (RS-1) zoning, specifically located at 2309 Bishop Estates Road. ]
THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 6-0. 
          ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 3 IS A VARIANCE ON-- SOUNDING VARIANCE ON BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. 
          THIS IS FROM KEVIN. >> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH HIM, AND A SITE VISIT. I HAD ONE EMAIL IN OPPOSITION, 
          AND THREE IN FAVOR. >> MR. LABANOWSKI. 
          >> I DID A SITE VISIT AND DISCUSS THE PROJECT WITH THE 
          OWNERS FATHER. >> MR. MATOVINA. 
          >> I MANAGED A VISIT TOO. >> THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> IT AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR REQUEST. FROM MY WIFE AND MYSELF. 
          WE HAVE BEEN-- MY FAMILY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE THE EARLY 80S, AND WE HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS ON BISHOP STATES ROAD SINCE THE EARLY 70S. AND WE HAVE SINCE MOVED BACK AND TRIED TO MAKE SENSE OF DEVELOPING A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. AGAIN, GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR REQUEST. 
          WE WERE PRESENTING THREE RELATED VARIANCES FOR THE PROPERTY AT 2309 BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. THESE REQUESTS ARISE FROM THE UNUSUAL CONFIGURATION AND PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS OF THIS PROPERTY. VARIANCE REQUEST 2309 BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. THE THREE VARIANCES ARE RELATED BECAUSE THEY ALL RESULT FROM THE SAME PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. THE FIRST REDUCES THE REQUIRED FRONT OR-- FRONT SETBACK FROM 3. THE SECOND ALLOWS THE DETACHED GARAGE TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD, AND THE THIRD CONCERNS THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH OUR ARTESIAN WELL. WE ARE NOT SEEKING RELIEF OR CONVENIENCE FOR A FINANCIAL REASON. 
          WE ARE SEEKING THE MINIMUM RELIEF NECESSARY TO MAKE REASONABLE USE OF THIS UNUSUALLY CONFIGURED WATERFRONT PROPERTY. 
          FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR OUR PROPERTY AND ESTABLISHES IT'S LOCATION IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. OUR REQUEST DOES NOT SEEK TO CHANGE THE PROPERTIES LAND-USE. ZONING MAP. 
          THIS IS THE COUNTY ZONING MAP. THE PROPERTIES ON RS ONE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ONE. OUR REQUEST IS NOT FOR A CHANGE IN ZONE...  THE PROPERTY IS UNIQUE. 
          IT'S AN EXCEPTION NOT A RULE. OUR PROPERTY IS NOT LIKE THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALONG BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. 
          MOST OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE LONG RECTANGULAR LOTS WITH THEIR FRONT PROPERTY LINES ALONG BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. 
          OUR PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. IT'S IRREGULARLY SHAPED WATERFRONT PARCEL THAT ORIGINATED AS PART OF A LARGER PARENT TRACK CONTAINING THREE RESIDENTS. 
          A SHARED ACCESSDRIVE AND A SHARED BOAT RAMP TO THE CREEK. 
          THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTS WAS ORIENTED TOWARDS A SHARED ACCESS ROAD RATHER THAN BISHOP ESTATES ROAD ON OUR NEW HOME, AND OUR NEW HOME MAINTAINS THAT SAME ORIENTATION. 
          BECAUSE OF THIS UNUSUAL CONFIGURATION, THE AREA CLASSIFIED AS OUR FRONT YARD IS CLASSIFIED AS THE SIDE YARD, SINCE THE HOME FACES THE ACCESS ROAD OF SEEING-- KEEPING WITH THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOMES ON TRACKED. 
          WE CAREFULLY EVALUATED OTHER AREAS IN THE REPLACEMENT-- IN PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE WHICH WOULD INTERFERE WITH THE BOAT 
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RAMP SITE CIRCULATION ARE PUSHED ABOUT MID CLOSER TO THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE WATERFRONT. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO CONSTRAINED BY WATERFRONT MARSHLAND, BULKHEAD, EXISTING SHARED BOAT RAMP. 
          THESE ARE THE FISCAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES. 
          THEY WERE NOT CREATED BY US. THIS IS THE LARGER VIEW OF THE UNUSUAL TRACKED OF LAND WITH THREE PARCELS ON IT. 
          HOURS BEING THE ONE BUT, AGAIN, OUR HOUSE FACES THE FRONT OF THE HOME IN THAT EASTERLY RIGHT OF WAY. 
          PROPOSED SITE PLAN. THE AERIAL VIEW SHOWS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. DETACHED GARAGES ALONG THE ROADSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SCREEN WITH A SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPE EDGE. THE HOME AND ATTACHED GARAGE ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE EXISTING CIRCULATION AREA. 
          THESE SHARED BOAT RAMP REMAINS ACCESSIBLE TOWARDS THE CREEK. 
          FOR PROPOSED GARAGE LOCATION, IT WAS SELECTED BECAUSE IT PRESERVED THE ESTABLISHED FLOW OF THE AREA'S US THE REQUESTED VARIANCE WOULD PLACE THE DETACHED GARAGE 10 FEET FROM THE APPLICABLE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, RATHER THAN THE REQUIRED 30 FEET. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LOCATION PRESERVES APPROXIMATELY 49 FEET A MANEUVERING SPACE BETWEEN THE AFFECTED-- THE ATTACHED AND DETACHED GARAGES. 
          THIS IS JUST A NICE PICTURE OF BISHOP ESTATES ROAD, WITH A FENCE THAT WOULD BE ON BOTH SIDES OF OUR INGRESS, EGRESS, AND THEY HAD ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF WHERE THE GARAGE WOULD BE. SO WE ARE REQUESTING 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, VERSUS 30. 
          BUT THE PROPERTY LINE IS ALREADY-- I WOULD HAVE TO GUESS, PROBABLY TEN OR 12 FEET FROM BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. 
          THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY. SO, MOVING FORWARD, WHY 49 FEET IS NECESSARY? APPROXIMATELY 49 FEET BETWEEN THE GARAGE IS NOT SIMPLY PARKING SPACE. 
          OUR TRUCK IS APPROXIMATELY 21 FEET LONG AND OUR BOAT TRAILER IS APPROXIMATELY 21 FEET LONG, FOR A COMBINED 47 FEET IN LENGTH. BECAUSE THE TRUCK CAN ARTICULATE THEY NEED MORE SPACE TO PULL FORWARD AND TURN AND BACK TOWARDS THE SHARED BOAT RAMP. THE APPROXIMATELY 49-FOOT AREA PROVIDES A FUNCTIONAL SPACE WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING ACCESS TO THE DETACHED GARAGE. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FULL 30-FOOT SETBACK. AT THE GARAGE WERE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE FULL 30-FOOT SETBACK, IT WOULD HAVE TO MOVE APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET FURTHER IN TO THE PROPERTY. 
          ONTO THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD REDUCE THE AREA BETWEEN THE ATTACHED AND DETACHED GARAGE FROM 49 TO 29 FEET. AT 29 FEET IT WOULD RESTRICT THE ABILITY TO TURN AND ARTICULATE THE LINE AND BACKED THE TRUCK AND BOAT AND TRAILER TOWARDS IT'S AREA. 
          MOVING THE GARAGE FURTHER TOWARDS HE WATERFRONT CREATES OTHER ISSUES BY PLACING TO BELLMAN CLOSER TO THE WETLANDS AND WATERFRONT. THE REQUESTED SETBACK THEREFORE PROVIDES THE RELIEF NECESSARY TO PRESERVE THE FUNCTIONAL 49-FOOT MANEUVERING AREA. 49-FOOT ALLOWS AMPLE HOME PARKING AS WELL. OUR HOME, IT'S CURRENT PLAN FACES THE EASTERLY INGRESS EGRESS RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THE FRONT YARD IS FAIRLY SMALL. AND IT HAS A CURRENTLY PERM PERMITTED-- AS CURRENTLY PERMITTED, THIS PROPERTY WILL HAVE A WELL-- WON'T HAVE A WELL, BUT A SEPTIC TANK WITH A DRAINAGE FIELD IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          WHICH RESTRICT PARKING IN FRONT OF THE YARD. 
          MOST OF THE PARKING WOULD BE LIMITED TO AREAS BETWEEN THE DETACHED GARAGE AND THE ATTACHED GARAGE. 
          THE NEXT ONE IS THE WELL VARIANCE. 
          THE THIRD VARIANCE CONCERNS A MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH A 3-INCH ARTESIAN WELL. THE COUNTY REQUIRES A 30-FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK. WE ARE REQUESTING REDUCTION TO 15 FEET. THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS BASED ON THE FISCAL-- PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS OF THIS PROPERTY AND IS LIMITED-- AND THE LIMITED PRACTICAL LOCATIONS AVAILABLE WHILE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING HOME, GARAGE, DRIVEWAY AND SHARED BOAT RAMP. THE DRAIN FIELD AND THE WELL 
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HAVE TO BE SEPRATED BY ROUGHLY 75-FOOT, IF NOT MORE. 
          WE ARE LIMITED IN LOCATIONS ABOUT WHERE WE CAN PLACE IT. 
          AND IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT IT CLOSE TO WHERE THE PUMPS WOULD BE AND ALL THAT. THEREFORE THIS IS WHY WE CHOSE THIS LOCATION. ADDITIONALLY, ALL THE WELL VARIANCE IS, THIS LIGHT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE WELL EQUIPMENT WILL BE HOUSED WITHIN THE DETACHED GARAGE AND HIDDEN FROM VIEW. ONLY THE WELLHEAD WILL BE HIDDEN OUTSIDE THE GARAGE. FOR REQUIRED FINDINGS, PUBLIC INTERES, EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS, UNDUE HARDSHIP'S, SPIRIT PURPOSE. OUR REQUEST SATISFIES THE FINDING. NUMBER 1, PRESERVATION OF PUBLIC INTEREST. FIRST, IT'S NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST BECAUSE THEY GARAGE BE SCREENED WITH A LANDSCAPE EDGE AND NOT OBSTRUCT THE ROADWAY. 
          TRAFFIC SAFETY, DRAINAGE, SITE VISIBILITY OR EMERGENCY ACCESS, IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NUMBER 2. EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS. 
          THE SECOND CRITERIA IS THE EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS, AFFECTING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          AS YOU HAVE SEEN FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, 2309 BISHOP ESTATES ROAD IS NOT A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL PARTIAL-- PARCEL. 
          IT'S A WATERFRONT PARCEL WITH A CONFIGURATION THAT DIFFERS FROM THE MORE TRADITIONAL LOTS ALONG BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. 
          THE PROPERTY ALSO HAS AN UNUSUAL ORIENTATION. 
          THE ORIGINAL DEVELOP AT THE PROPERTY WAS ORIENTED AROUND THE EXISTING ACCESS DRIVE AND WATERFRONT RATHER THAN SIMPLY BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. OUR PROPOSED HOME MAINTAINS THAT ORIENTATION. IN ADDITION, THE PROPERTY IS CONSTRAINED BY FLOOR CREEK MARSH WETLANDS AND THE EXISTING AREA. 
          THE PHYSICAL FEATURES SUBSTANTIALLY LIMIT WHERE DEVELOP AND CAN REASONABLY OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THERE WAS ALSO AN EXISTING SHARED BOAT RAMP ACCESS THAT SERVES A RESIDENTS IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ORIGINAL TRACK. 
          THIS ACCESS NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED. 
          THESE CONDITIONS ARE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND MAKE STRICT APPLICATIONS OF THE STANDARD SETBACK PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT ON THIS PARCEL, AND THEY INFORM THE BASIS OF OUR REQUEST FOR RELIEF. 
          FURTHER ON, NUMBER 2, DISKS-- EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS. 
          I WANT TO POINT OUT WE HAVE TOMEI COMPETING FRONT YARD ORIENTATIONS. FROM A FUNCTIONAL PERSPECTIVE, ARE HOME FACES THE INGRESS EGRESS ACCESS ROAD TO THE EAST. 
          AND FROM A COUNTY DESIGNATED ORIENTATION, BISHOP ESTATES ROAD IS DESIGNATED AS THE OFFICIAL FRONT YARD ALONG THIS. 
          ALTHOUGH THIS FRONTAGE FUNCTIONS PHYSICALLY AS A PROPERTY SIDE YARD. UNDUE HARDSHIP. 
          LITERAL ENFORCEMENT WOULD CREATE AN UNDUE HARDSHIP BY REDUCING THE FUNCTIONAL MANEUVERING AREA FROM 49 TO-- I'M SORRY, FROM 49 TO 29, AND CREATING, AS MENTIONED, AN ISSUE WITH PARKING. FINALLY, NUMBER 4. 
          SPIRIT AND PURPOSE. FOR THE PURPOSE-- THE PURPOSE OF THESE REQUIREMENTS IS TO PROMOTE SAFETY, VISIBILITY, COMPATIBILITY, ACCESS, AND APPROPRIATE SEPARATION FROM THE WATERFRONT. OUR PROPOSAL PRESERVES THOSE OBJECTIVES. THEY GARAGE WILL BE SCREENED BY LANDSCAPE EDGE, WILL NOT OBSTRUCT BISHOP ESTATES ROAD, OR SITE VISIBILITY, AND WILL PRESERVE THE EXISTING ACCESS PATTERN, AND WILL REMAIN IN DEVELOPMENT PORTION-- IN THE DEVELOPED PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, RATHER THAN MOVING CLOSER TO THE WATERFRONT OR IMPINGING ON WETLANDS. 
          WE ARE REQUESTING RELIEF BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS OF THIS PROPERTY, NO% TO DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE. IN SUMMARY, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF THESE THREE VARIANCES. 
          WE ARE REQUESTING A REDUCTION OF THE FRONT FORWARD SETBACK FROM 30 TO 10 FEET. PERMISSION FOR THE DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD, AND A REDUCTION FOR THE SETBACK... EMERGENCY ACCESS AND SEPARATION FROM THE MARCHAND WETLANDS. THANK YU KINDLY FOR YOUR 
          CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS. MISS. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          IS THIS DRIVEWAY GOING TO BE PAVED? 
          IT LOOKS PAVED? >> THE EASEMENT IS ASPHALT AND IT'S PAVED, IN OUR INGRESS EASEMENT-- INGRESS EGRESS IS ON THAT EASEMENT. HE VISITED THE SITE, 
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APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40 FEET IN YOU WILL TURN LEFT INTO OUR DRIVEWAY. THE HOME IS PERMITTED. 
          SO WE HAVE TO JUST TRY TO TAKE THIS TO CONSIDERATION. 
          FOR THE VARIANCE TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK. 
          >> YOU WOULD BE PAVING TO THE BOAT RAMP AND BETWEEN BOTH HOMES THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND YOUR 4857 SQUARE-FOOT? 
          MARSHLAND. >> IT HAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE, 
          BACK PATIO AND A FRONT. >> QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          THIS LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF ISR FOR THIS SITE. 
          IS THAT ANYTHING? AND MY THINKING INCORRECTLY? 
          >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MISS. >> 'S QUESTION. 
          THIS IS A VARIANCE APPLICATION FOR SETBACK RELIEF. 
          THAT IS ALL THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR. 
          THESE ARE ALL CONCEPTS I PLANS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          AND THEY WILL BE HELD TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVELOP AND CODE FOR ALL THINGS, BUILDING COVERAGE, LOT COVERAGE AND 
          IMPERVIOUS VARIANCE. >> YOU HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE, AND I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING WHERE THE CARS WILL GO IN. BUT I GUESS THEY WILL TURN LEFT 
          OR RIGHT? >> YES. 
          TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. AND A GOOD PORTION OF THE GARAGE, WHICH I DON'T HAVE WITH ME, IT SET UP ON A DEEP WELL. 
          YOU HAVE AN AREA ATER, A FILTER FOR THE WATERS. 
          YOU HAVE PUMPS. A YARD PUMP, A HOUSE PUMP. 
          ALL OF THAT WAS PLANNED TO BE IN THERE AND NOT OUT IN THE OPEN. 
          >> UTILITY SHED. >> YES. 
          THAT IS MORE WHAT IT IS SERVING AS. 
          >> THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> MR. LABANOWSKI? >> YOU HAD STATED THAT THIS IS A 
          SHARED BOAT RAMP? >> IT HAS BEEN SHARED OVER MANY YEARS. AS MENTIONED, MY FAMILY HAS OWNED THIS PARCEL SINCE THE EARLY 80S. 
          AND SARAH BAILEY, SHE WAS AN EX-ST JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONER. 
          SHE WOULD HAVE HER GIRLS COME OVER AND USE IT DURING THE SUMMER. SO WE HAVE ALLOWED, THERE IS A BIG HISTORY, NOT ONLY ON RESIDENTS WHO ARE, JIM THOMPSON AND OTHERS, WE HAVE ALLOWED PEOPLE. 
          MY FATHER, OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, TO USE IT. 
          PUT THEIR JET SKIS IN. AND, AS I MENTIONED, SARAH BAILEY, SHE HAS NOT DONE THIS IN MANY YEARS-- AND I DON'T THINK SHE IS CHAIRING THOSE TYPES OF FUNCTIONS, BUT THE HISTORY OF IT. WE HAVE. 
          >> I AM JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHO IS GOING TO BE SHARING THAT BOAT RAMP. I DID NOT WANT ANY CONFLICTS. 
          BECAUSE THERE ARE CONFLICTS WITH BOAT RAMPS, AND I WANT TO MAKE 
          SURE THERE ARE NO FUTURE ONES. >> YES, SIR. 
          OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN OUR NEIGHBOR FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS. HIS SON USES IT, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WHO OCCASIONALLY USES IT LIKE A-- FOR A JET SKI. AND MY FATHER USES IT FOR HIS 
          PONTOON. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY BUT...  HE IS ABSENT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD HAVE LIKED HIM TO BE HERE TO DISCUSS POSSIBLE OTHER SITE ARRANGEMENTS OF THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE. 
          BUT YOU DO NOT SEE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE ARRANGEMENTS ON THE 
          PROPERTY? >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT, THE WAY THE HOME IS ORIENTED, IT IS PUSHED TO THE NORTH, AWAY FROM BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. 
          HEATING AND COOLING, SQUARE-FOOT. 
          IT HAS A GARAGE, A PATIO. IT'S PUSHED SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO MY FATHER'S PARCEL, WHICH IS THE DIRECT NORTH PARCEL. 
          TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING ORIENTED ON THAT SIDE DOES NOT MAKE MUCH SENSE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM. 
          THE ONLY SPOT TO PUT IT IS ON THE WATERFRONT. 
          AND ANY VALUE THERE WOULD BE THE VIEW. 
          AND THE SETBACKS AGAINST THE BULKHEAD, IN THE BACK OF THE HOME, I HAVE A SURVEY SHOWING THE HOST-- SHOWING THE HOUSE SITUATED ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE BUT I DO HAVE A COPY WITH ME, IF THAT WOULD HELP. 
          SO WE HAVE CONSIDERED OTHER AREAS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          WITH THAT EASEMENT. AND AS I MENTIONED, THE FRONT OF THE HOME FACES THE EASEMENT, AND YOU HAVE YOUR DRAIN FIELD AND SEPTIC TANK, AND THOSE ARE FAIRLY LARGE. 
          AND THAT IS A GOOD PORTION OF THE FRONT YARD. 
          THE FRONT YARD IS FAIRLY SMALL. JUST GIVEN THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT EASEMENT SECTION OF HOW MUCH IT TAKES OFF 
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THAT EASTERLY RIGHT OF WAY. THERE IS REALLY NOTHING TO THE NORTH BETWEEN MY FATHER'S AND OUR PARCEL. 
          THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IN THAT AREA IS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH WE ARE PETITIONING. THE WELL EQUIPMENT AND ALL OF THAT WOULD DOMINATE A GOOD PORTION OF IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING. >> YOU SAID THAT YOUR FATHER HAS THE PARCEL NORTH OF YOU. I THOUGHT I NOTICED THAT THERE 
          WAS A DOCK ON THAT PARCEL. >> MY FATHER HAS A DOCK OUT ON 
          THE CREEK, HE DOES. >> I THOUGHT I NOTICED THAT. 
          WHY WOULD HE PUT HIS PONTOON BOAT-- 
          >> THE BOAT RAMP. HE DOES NOT HAVE BOAT RAMP 
          ACCESS. >> HE DOESN'T LEAVE HIS BOAT IN 
          THE WATER? >> HE KEEPS IT IN HIS BOATHOUSE. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES OUT FOR A SERVICE OR WHEN THE STORMS COME, 
          WE PULL IT OUT THERE. >> OKAY. 
          AND THE ARTESIAN WELL, YOU KNOW IN FACT IT WILL BE IN ARTESIAN 
          WELL? >> YES. 
          >> IT HAS ENOUGH PRESSURE? >> YES. 
          AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, THE HOUSE IS PERMITTED, THE HOUSE-- DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HAS COME OUT. 
          THEY HAVE PERMITTED THE SEPTIC AND DRAIN. 
          IT GOES IN THE FRONT YARD. THAT'S WHY WERE LIMITED WITH PARKING THERE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME. 
          AND THE ONLY SPACE WE HAVE IS BETWEEN THE DETACHED GARAGE AND THE ATTACHED GARAGE. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO ARTICULATE. I DRIVE A TRUCK. 
          TO ARTICULATE TO TURN TO GET IN. >> THANK YOU. 
          MR. MATOVINA? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          THE PRIVATE EASEMENT, IS THAT REALLY A FRONT YARD ON THE EAST 
          SIDE? >> THERE IS NO STANDARD SETBACK FOR THE EASEMENT. OTHER THAN TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE WAY SO PEOPLE CAN USE IT APPROPRIATELY. 
          >> THE ONLY FRONT YARD HERE IS A LONG BISHOP? 
          >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS. 
          SEEING NONE, WE WILL ENGAGE THE VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR,-- DOESN'T OWN WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION AND A POSSIBLE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? 
          MS. PERKINS? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING VARIANCE 2026-26, A 2309 BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. BASED ON THESE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. AND MR. LABANOWSKI SECONDS THAT. 
          OKAY. OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. 
          VOTING SCREEN UP, PLEASE. THANK YOU. 
          THAT PASSES FOUR TO TWO. SO YOU HAVE YOUR VARIANCE. 
          [4. MINMOD 2026-07 Kelly Family Pool.  Request for a Minor Modification to the Stonehurst Plantation PUD (Ordinance 2001-04) to allow for an overall Lot Coverage of 53% in lieu of the 40% maximum requirement to allow for the construction of a swimming pool and deck, specifically located at 1713 Ferncreek Drive. ]
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 4. A MINOR MODIFICATION. 
          TO THE KELLY FAMILY POOL. PRESENTED BY JAMES AND JENNIFER KELLY. ANY EXPERT ON THIS ITEM? MS. -- 
          >> I DID A SITE VISIT AND VISITED WITH JAMES AND JENNIFER 
          KELLY. >> MR. LABANOWSKI? 
          >> I DID A SITE VISIT AND DISCUSS THE PROJECT WITH JIM AND 
          KELLY. >> SEEING NONE OTHER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. LET'S SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. 
          >> MY NAME IS JAMES KELLY, WITH MY WIFE, JENNIFER KELLYANNE OUR BUILDER HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY OUR HOUSE YESTERDAY REAL SIMPLE, REAL SHORT. 
          WE HAD RECEIVED AN INVOICE FROM OUR BUILDER FROM WHAT APPEARED TO BE AN OFFICIAL COUNTY DOCUMENT FROM ST. JOHN'S. 
          WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO PAYING THE INVOICE AND WE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS INDEED A SCAM. SO I THINK JUDY FOR STEPPING IN WHEN SHE DATED. IT COULD'VE BEEN BAD FOR US. 
          BUT REGARDLESS, SWITCHING GEARS, WE ARE REQUESTING A SMALL ADJUSTMENT TO OUR ISR SO WE CAN ADD AN INGROUND POOL AND POOL DECK TO OUR HOME. WE FEEL THIS REQUEST FITS THE INTENT OF THE MINOR MODIFICATION GUIDELINES. 
          AND LINES UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          PLENTY OF HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE HAD THESE KINDS OF IMPROVEMENT-- IMPROVEMENTS, WITH PROBLEMS LIKE DRAINAGE AND SAFETY AND COMPATIBILITY. 
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FROM WHAT I CAN FIND ONLINE MANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE NORTHEAST 40 AREA ALLOW FOR A 60 TO 70% ISR. 
          OUR HOME WAS BUILT VERY CLOSE TO THAT 40% AT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LIMIT. AND NEITHER WE NOR THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNERS HAVE EXPANDED TO THAT HOME. 
          BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT IN THE LATE OUT, THERE IS LITTLE ROOM LEFT FOR US TO DO ANY ACCESSORY IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR HOME. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A SITUATION WE CREATED. IT'S JUST HOW THE HOME WAS DESIGNED AND PLACED ON THE LOT. SO WE ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE COMPARED TO SIMILAR HOMES THAT CAN ENJOY THESE UPGRADES. 
          GRANTING THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO USE THE PROPERTY IN A WAY THAT IS RESPECTFUL BUT STILL USING THE INTENT OF THE CODE. 
          WE ONLY WANT TO USE OUR YARD REASONABLY. 
          THE POOL AND POOL DECK SHOULD BE BUILT TO REQUIREMENTS AND WILL NOT CHANGE THE RESIDENTIAL FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT IS JUST MY SHORT LITTLE SPIEL. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND FROM HERO HANDED OVER TO OUR BUILDER WHO WILL GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION AND ANSWER OR SHOW MORE DETAILS AND ANSWER ANY 
          QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT FROM WHAT JIMMY WENT THROUGH. BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, THAT HE PRESENTED AS THE HOMEOWNER AS WELL. 
          >> AND I INTERRUPT YOU. -- YOU ARE JUST ABOUT TO GIVE 
          YOUR NAME. >> YES, I AM ABOUT TO. 
          MY NAME IS KYLE KEMPTON. I'M WITH CLARKSON POOLS AT 600 ST. JOHN'S BLUFF ROAD IN JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. 
          32225. AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY OBVIOUSLY ON BEHALF OF THE KELLY FAMILY, AND WE ARE CONFIDENT THIS MATTER SHOULD MATTER SHOULD BE CUT AND DRY FOR A POSITIVE CONCLUSION BASED ON A FEW MAIN POINTS HERE. WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE LOT COVERAGE AT 1713 FERN CREEK DRIVE. HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE SUBSTANTIAL-- WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING GOING ON IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA THAT THESE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE NECESSARY, HOWEVER, THE COMMUNITY THAT THE KELLY'S RESIDE IN HAS MUCH LOWER PERMISSIBLE LOT COVERAGE THEN MOST OF ST JOHNS COUNTY, WHICH TENDS TO ALLOW 60 TO 70 PERCENT, SOMETIME SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, NO LIMIT, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE COMMUNITY CONCESSIONS AND THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, BUT THE KELLY'S NEIGHBORHOOD IS OBVIOUSLY CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN THAT. WHICH PRESENTS A HARDSHIP FOR OUR PROPOSED PROJECT AT THIS LOCATION. 
          THEIR LOT IS MARGINALLY SMALLER THAN SOME OTHER LOTS AROUND THEM AS WELL. WHICH FURTHER COMPLICATES THE MATTERS. BUT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS LOT DOES BACKUP TO THE PRESERVE AREA, AS WELL, WHICH MEANS THAT MOST OF THE REAR PROPERTY... AT-- A LITTLE BIT. 
          HERE YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPOSED POOL PLAN AT 53% COVERAGE. 
          THE COVERAGE WE ARE REQUESTING HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS NOT FOR ANYTHING UNUSUAL. THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO BUILD AN AVERAGE-SIZED POOL, POOL DECK AND SCREENED ENCLOSURE FOR THEIR FAMILY TO ENJOY. FURTHERMORE, AND I THINK PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY, HERE IS A MORE DETAILED PLAN OF THE POOL IF YOU NEED TO REFERENCE THAT. 
          BUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS HERE IS THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMUNITY, BY THE A.R.C. 
          WE PROVIDED THAT HERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE. 
          IMPORTANTLY, IT'S JUST TO SHOW THAT BASED ON EXPERT ANALYSIS AND OPINION OF AN ENGINEER HERE, THIS PROPERTY CAN HANDLE THE NECESSARY RAINFALL REQUIREMENTS, EVEN WITH THE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, SO I TOOK A SMALL EXCERPT OUT OF THE CONCLUSION HERE THAT SAYS THAT WE THEREFORE CONCLUDE THAT THE ACCOMMODATE THE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, AND ADDITIONAL TREATMENT FACILITIES ARE NOT NECESSARY. 
          SO, IN CONCLUSION, WE FEEL THERE SHOULD BE NO MAJOR OBJECTION TO THIS PROJECT BASED ON LOT COVERAGE CONCERNS. 
          WE CERTAINLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND WE WELCOME ANY 
          QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR US. >> THANK YOU. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION, MOTION AND VOTING. MISS SPIEGEL? 
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          >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION TO TWO-- 2026-07 BASED ON THE SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MISS SPIEGEL. 
          SECOND BITE MR. GREEN. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S BRING OUR VOTING SCREENS UP. 
          THAT PASSES-- IT IS GOING TO PASS, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS GOT THE VOTE. IS IT ME? I VOTED. I THOUGHT. 
          I HIT THE BUTTON. PASSES FIVE TO ONE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          [5. MAJMOD 2025-12 FL St. Augustine Inman PUD.  Request for a Major Modification to the Last Mile Distribution Facility PUD (Ord. 2020-43, as amended) to allow up to 250,000 square feet of light industrial/flex warehousing uses; rename the PUD to FL St. Augustine Inman; clarify permitted uses; restate building setbacks; reduce maximum building heights; add a right-of-way and increase access points; update phasing; and revise the Master Development Plan (MDP) Text and Map to reflect all proposed changes. The site is located at 3960 Inman Road. ]
ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 5 IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION ON INMAN ROAD. THE INMAN PUD. 
          MR. BRAD WESTER IS GOING TO PRESENT. 
          AND WE NEED AN EXPERT. MISS SPIEGEL? 
          >> I HAD A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MR. BRAD WESTER RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. I DID A SITE VISIT, AND I HAVE SEVERAL EMAILS IN OPPOSITION OF THIS. 
          >> MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I VISITED THE SITE. 
          I HAVE RESPONSES PROVIDED BY STAFF, AND I TALKED TO RONALD. 
          >> MISS'S? >> I SPOKE WITH MR. WESTER 
          BRIEFLY. >> MR. GREEN? 
          >> I AM VALERIE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE. 
          >> I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE DRIVEN BY THE SITE PREVIOUSLY, WHEN THAT SAME SITE WAS UPBEAT FOR THE PCA ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS, MR. WESTER. 
          >> BRAD WESTER. SUITE 1200. 
          JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA, 322202. THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION PLAYERS THAT WERE SENT OUT, AND I GOT WIND OF THOSE LAST NIGHT. 
          AND SAW THAT MORE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS WERE PUT OUT THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT SOME WERE THINKING THIS PROJECT WAS. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS OPEN WITH A STATEMENT AND GO IN TO MY PRESENTATION TO CLARIFY WHAT THE SCOPE IS IN OUR INTENDED DEVELOPMENT. AND AS YOU JUST OPINED, I WAS THE AGENT ON THAT PREVIOUS LAST DISTRIBUTION FACILITY PUD. 
          SO THAT WAS MY PROJECT. I'M HERE TO DO A MAJOR MODIFICATION OF THAT TO CONVERT THAT SPECIFIED USE. 
          THIS PROJECT IS A 250,000 SQUARE-FOOT MULTITENANT EMPLOYMENT AND SMALL-BUSINESS COMMERCE CENTER DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FLEX BULL OFFICE, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          SERVICE WORKSHOP DISTRIBUTION AND BUSINESS SUPPORT SPACE FOR A DIVERSE MIX OF LOCAL COMPANIES, GROWING REGIONAL BUSINESSES AND SELECT NATIONAL EMPLOYERS. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND AS REFLECTED IN MY PRESENTATION, THAT PUD SITE PLAN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, NOT A SINGLE USER WAREHOUSE PROJECT LIKE THE AMAZON PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY. IT'S A MULTITENANT EMPLOYMENT SMALL-BUSINESS COMMERCE CENTER. APPROXIMATELY 250,000 SQUARE FEET. THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS 125,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THIS IS AND ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL 125,000 TICKETS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A BROAD RANGE OF EMPLOYERS AS DESCRIBED. WE ENVISION A MIX OF LOCAL, SMALL AND GROWING BUSINESSES, REGIONAL COMPANIES AND POTENTIALLY NATIONAL SCALE TENANTS THAT NEED FLEXIBLE COMBINATIONS OF OFFICE, WORKSHOP, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WAREHOUSING, DISTRIBUTION AND OPERATIONAL SPACE. 
          ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ECONOMIC DEVELOP IT BENEFITS IS THAT THIS CREATES A PLACE FOR ST JOHNS COUNTY BUSINESSES TO START HERE, ROW HERE, AND REMAIN HERE. A SMALLER CONTRACTOR SERVICE COMPANY, ENTREPRENEUR, MAY INITIALLY NEED A FEW THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, BUT AS THE COMPANY GROWS, THE PROJECT GIVES AND THE ABILITY TO EXPAND WITHOUT HAVING TO LEAVE THE COUNTY. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, THE PROJECT CREATES AN INVENTORY THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE LARGER EMPLOYERS LOOKING FOR MODERN SPACE AND ST JOHNS COUNTY. -- MODERN SPACE IN ST JOHNS COUNTY. IT CAN ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES, SIZES AND USES AND IT'S CLOSE TO A STRONG RESIDENTIAL BASE IN THE AREA. BY A TEAM IS HERE, AND WE HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I HAVE SOME STAKEHOLDERS AND PROPRIETORS HERE AS WELL FROM THE DEVELOP TEAM. THEY COULD ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS UNDER TESTIMONY THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. 
          THIS IS A PUD MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AMAZON FACILITY, WHICH WAS CALLED LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. IT'S A MULTITENANT COMMERCIAL 
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OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE USE. 
          IT IS ON 58 ACRES, 38 ACRES OF THOSE ARE WELL AND-- WETLANDS. 
          WERE NOT IMPACTING THE WETLANDS. THERE'S 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF A RANGE OF OFFICE TO WAREHOUSE USES AND FOUR WAIVERS. 
          THERE IS A REDUCTION TO REDUCE THE PERIMETER BUFFER, WHICH IS THE SAME AS APPROVED IN THE PAST AMAZON PROJECT, AN INCREASE FOUR FROM TO FIVE DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS. 
          AND A DECREASE FROM 20 FEET TO A 15-FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG INMAN. AND THAT IS SPECIFIC FOR THE SETBACK. SO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WOULD STAY THE SAME. HERE IS THE LOCATION. 
          IT'S NEAR THE CORNER OF 16 N95. GENERALLY SPEAKING JUST BETWEEN THE LARGE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ON THE SWAMP. AND ALSO THE-- FORMERLY THE OUTLET MALL AREA. YOU SEE HERE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IT IS ALL DESIGNATED MIXED-USE. 
          WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF USES FROM RESIDENTIAL LUCK TO INDUSTRIAL. HERE IS THE ZONING. 
          SO YOU SEE THE BLUISH GRAY IS OBVIOUSLY ALL THE PUD'S IN THE AREA. ALONG INMAN SPECIFICALLY. 
          THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION ABOUT INMAN TODAY. 
          YOU SEE THE INDUSTRIAL USE ALONG THERE, INCLUDING ST JOHNS COUNTY USE. THEY RECENTLY DID A REZONING OUT THERE. NOW THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL LAB FACILITY, WHICH IS BUTTING UP AGAINST OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          THE PAST USE OF THIS PROPERTY HAS QUITE A HISTORY. 
          WITH THE INMAN'S IT WAS AGRICULTURAL USE. 
          2006, IT WENT FROM O.R. TO PUD. AND THAT WAS FROM 531 TEAT-- FOR 531 DETACHED-- SORRY, 236 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WITH ALSO DETACHED STORAGE UNITS AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE. 
          2015 THERE WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION, TAKING THAT MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY OVER TO A MOTORCOACH OR RV RESORT, IF YOU WILL. AND INCREASING THE RESORT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          2020, THAT WAS MY MATTER THAT I WAS AN AGENT FOR, ANOTHER MAJOR MUD, THE AMAZON FACILITY, 125,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          VERY SPECIFIC SINGLE TENANT AND USER, THE MOST PREVIOUS ONE. 
          THESE ARE THE MASTER DEVELOP AND PLANS THAT HAD BEEN ADOPTED WITH THE ZONING THROUGHOUT IT'S EXISTENCE SINCE HE AGRICULTURAL USE. AGAIN, MULTIFAMILY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE RESORT. THIS WAS THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. BARRY, VERY SPECIFIC TO THE NEEDS OF AMAZON. AND YOU CAN SEE THE PLACEMENT OF THE 125,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING. 
          THE MASS OF THAT BUILDING WAS PLACED ALONG THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY WHICH IS OWNED BY THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE. 
          THE REST WAS MADE UP OF 800 PLUS PARKING SPACES, WHICH WAS UTILIZED BOTH FOR THE VAN DELIVERY AND EMPLOYEE, AND CERTAINLY THE TRUCK LOGISTICS AND TERMINAL SPACE FOR BACKING FOR THE 18-WHEELERS. GENERALLY THEY START AT 10:00 P.M. AT NIGHT AND GO UNTIL ABOUT 4:00 A.M. 
          THE MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE, IT ALLOWS COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. THAT SET IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE INCLUDED THE ST. AUGUSTINE PUD, THE INDUSTRIAL SITES AND THE SWAMP PRESERVE. ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER PUD ITSELF IS ALSO A DEVELOP AT REGIONAL IMPACT. 
          IT'S GONE THROUGH ABOUT 12 PLUS MODIFICATIONS SINCE 1997. 
          CURRENTLY IT HAS RETAIL SHOPPING, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, MULTIFAMILY, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND INMAN ROAD. 
          THE INMAN ROAD CORRIDOR HAS GONE THROUGH MANY CHANGES SINCE THE 80S. IT'S COMPRISED OF WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION, MANUFACTURING, COMMERCIAL, AND ST JOHNS COUNTY HAS ASSETS IN THERE AS WELL. POINTING TO A REZONING THEY DID IN 2020 FOR THEIR CURRENT USE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL TESTING LAB. 
          HERE IT IS GRAPHICALLY. YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE BOUNDARY IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BEFORE YOU TODAY. 
          THE REST OF THE BULLET POINTS ON THE RIGHT TO PICK THE VARIOUS USES IN THE AREA. ST JOHNS COUNTY, TEL COMMUNICATIONS WAREHOUSE, THERE IS AN ALUMINUM FENCE MANUFACTURING. TUCKED SKINNY VILLAGE, SKILLED NURSING AND THE LIKE DOWN TO GAS AND...  THIS IS LINGERED FROM THAT PUD SPECIFICALLY. WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IT KIND OF FORECASTED THE GROWING AREA, AND IT HIGHLIGHTED-- HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THEIR TALKS ABOUT RAPIDLY TRANSITIONING FROM A SMALL-SCALE COMMERCIAL USE TO A LARGE-SCALE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL NODE. INMAN ROAD, SPECIFICALLY, EAST OF THE SITE IS LINED WITH INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          THAT IS FROM THE PUD THAT WAS ADOPTED FOR THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER PUD. FORECASTING THE GROWTH IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA. THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. 
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I KNOW IT IS HARD TO READ AT THIS SCALE. 
          BUT I WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE...  CALCULATIONS ON THIS, AND OTHER NECESSARY COMPONENTS. 
          JUST OF GETTING IT PERMITTED. YOU CAN SEE HERE IT IS AN ARRANGEMENT OF FIVE BUILDINGS MADE UP OF A SIMILAR SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE TOTAL OF 250,000 SQUARE FEET. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE STORMWATER AND ACCESS LOCATIONS ARE. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PREVIOUS AMAZON FACILITY WAS MUCH CLOSER TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE PICK THIS ONE IS ABOUT 100 FEET AWAY FROM THE FIRST BUILDING TO USE THAT PROPERTY. 
          WE PROPOSE AN 8-FOOT TALL CMU, A CONCRETE BLOCK MASONRY WALL ALONG THE MAJORITY OF THAT PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH THERE. AND IT GOES TO A SMALLER, WOODEN VINYL FENCE. ONCE IT IS OUTSIDE THE SHOOTING RANGE AREA, IF YOU WILL. AND IT GETS INTO THE BUILDINGS OWNED BY THE F.O.P. THIS IS A GRAPHIC OUTLINED IN RED. THAT'S A DEVELOPMENT AREA ON THIS. BUT THIS IS A COLORED RENDERED VERSION OF THAT SITE PLAN. THIS IS MORE CONCERN ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE STORMWATER PONDS, THE FUNCTION AND RELATIONSHIP OF THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, ACCESS POINTS AND THE BUFFERS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE WETLAND AREA PRESERVED IN THE MIDDLE WHICH IS ABOUT 32 ACRES OF OUR TOTAL 50 PLUS ACRES. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS WETLANDS THAT WILL BE PRESERVED. 
          AND THIS IS A DEPICTION. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, THE POINT OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE WITH THIS ONE IS ONCE THE BUILDINGS ARE COMPLETE, AND IF IT WAS TO BE APPROVED, YOU CAN SEE IT IN CONTEXT TO THE OTHER IMPROVEMENT ASSETS IN THE AREA. 
          AND THIS TIPEX THAT. FROM THE VIEW DOWN, SHOWING THE ROOFTOPS, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK AND WAREHOUSE USE, THE ENVIRONMENT THEY ARE OF INMAN ROAD, AND THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER, ALEX CENTER BOULEVARD. 
          BUT THAT PUTS IT IN TO CONTEXT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND IF I CAN'T, I'M SURE MY EXPERTS CAN HELP US GET THROUGH IT. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER? LEAVES COME FORWARD. 
          GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. AND YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES APIECE. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS KAYLEE MCCOMB. 
          I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION NOT THE PROJECT. 
          JUST TO NOTE A FEW THINGS. IT IS DOUBLING IN SIZE THAN WHAT IT PREVIOUSLY WAS SLOTTED FOR. BUT BASED ON THE MAPPING YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING WENT FROM 800, LIKE HE MENTION, TO IT APPEARS 100 TO 200. EVERY LITTLE STRIP MALL IN TOWN, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND A FEW TIMES TO FIND A PARKING SPOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO IS DESIGNING HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS EACH BUSINESS NEEDS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DOUBLED OR TRIPLED TO FIT THE PEOPLE IN ST JOHNS COUNTY. ANOTHER THING IS THERE IS NO SPECIFIC BUSINESSES. WE GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL, I HEARD SMALL BUSINESSES MENTIONED. 
          THE APPLICATION FROM THE STAFF LISTED POTENTIAL BUSINESSES, LUMBER YARDS, OFFICE SPACES, VEGETABLE STORES. 
          THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD BE IN THE CENTER, WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE IN THERE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY BROAD TO BUILD THESE SIX GIANT BUSINESSES AND BUILD THEM AND SEE WHAT WILL COME. 
          I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED SIX BIG BUILDINGS TO SEE WHO WILL END UP RENTING THOSE SPACES. AND AS THE REPORT MENTIONED PACK ALL OF THE ROADS SURROUNDING THE AREA ARE ALREADY OVERCAPACITY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THOSE THINGS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. I THINK IT'S JUST KIND OF ASKING-- THEY ARE ASKING FOR A LOT. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          MY NAME IS MARIANNE RAINEY. I LIVE AT 232 EAST, A WALK ACROSS TO INMAN ROAD. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO RESIDENTS AND FRIENDS THAT LIVE A FEW FEET AWAY FROM THIS PROJECT PART, AS I AM STATING. 
          THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION PLANNED ON INMAN ROAD DOES NOT ENSURE THE SAFETY FOR THE HOMES IN RESIDENTS IN TUSCANY VILLAGE COMMUNITY, LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ROAD. 
          THE DOCUMENTS PROVIDED TO ONLY SOME OF US DO NOT STATE OR GUARANTEE THAT THERE ARE NO HARMFUL SUBSTANCES OR CHEMICALS BEING STORED OR USED IN THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION. 
          ANY AIRBORNE SUBSTANCES OR CHEMICALS USED POSE A PHYSICAL 
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HARM TO THE RESIDENTS LIVING IN TUSCANY VILLAGE, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN AND ELDERLY. THE EXPECTED HEAVY TRAFFIC OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES POSES ANOTHER HEALTH HAZARD TO THE TUSCANY COMMUNITY, IN POLLUTION AND NOISE BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTS. IN ADDITION TO THE HAZARD TO CHILDREN TRAVELING TO AND FROM SCHOOL ON THOSE ROADS. 
          NOTHING IS STATED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT GUARANTEE THAT THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR HOMES OF TUX-- TESTING-- TUSCANY VILLAGE WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          FOR EXAMPLE CRACKS IN THE WALL AND FOUNDATION CAUSED BY HEAVY VIBRATIONS FROM EARTHMOVING OR PILE DRIVING. 
          ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE DEBRIS AND DUST ACCUMULATION AND SPILLING INTO THE TUSCANY VILLAGE PROPERTY AND ROADWAY. 
          LASTLY, THE HOURS OF PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IS NOT STATED IN THE DOCUMENTS, NOR IS IT GUARANTEED THAT THE HOURS ARE WITHIN THE LEGAL HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION IN ST JOHNS COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING ME. 
          >> THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM,. 
          >> MY NAME IS MARGE BROKER. I LIVE AT 169 MONTE CARLO KIRK-- COURT IN TUSCANY VILLAGE. I WAS HERE LAST TIME WHEN THE AMAZON FACILITY WAS THEY ARE, AND PARTNERED WITH US AS NEIGHBORS. THESE PEOPLE SENT A FEW NOTICES OUT TO A FEW NEIGHBORS. WE UPPED 152 DOORS. 
          DID-- AND A DOZEN PEOPLE GET NOTICED? THIS WAS SPREAD BY WORD-OF-MOUTH. 
          NUMBER 2, NOISE LEVELS AT NIGHT. WE PARTNERED WITH AMAZON, WITH THEIR TRUCKS. WE WORKED WITH THEM. 
          THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD BEHIND THE BUILDING SO THEY WOULD NOT GO UP AND DOWN INMAN. BUT THEY KEPT ALL THOSE PEOPLE UP UNTIL SIX IN THE MORNING. AND THEN TRAFFIC. 
          ON INMAN, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FIRING RANGE. 
          THAT'S A DIRT ROAD. AND ON DIRT ROADS WHEN THERE COMING OUT OF THE FIRING RANGE, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO STOP, ACCORDING TO FLORIDA LAW, WHEN THEY COME OUT TO A PAVED OPENING. THEY DON'T ALWAYS. 
          SO WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM. SO IF THEY APPROVED THIS, WE NEED TO-- A STOPLIGHT, OR A THREE WAY STOP SIGN. 
          SOMETHING TO HELP THE TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          I JUST WISH THAT THEY WOULD PARTNER WITH US AS NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM,. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS MARY. I LIVE AT 324 IN ST. AUGUSTINE, 32084. AND THIS IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY OF TUSCANY VILLAGE. I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS, AND MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED PACK YOU HAVE VISITED OUR SITE, OR VISITED THE PROPOSED SITE. 
          SO YOU KNOW HOW IT REALLY, REALLY CLOSE WE ARE TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IN THIS PROPOSAL, MAPS, ON PAGES TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND TEN INADEQUATELY-- INADEQUATELY DEMONSTRATE HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. IT IS ONLY ON PAGE 14, AND ON PAGE 15, THAT WE ARE MENTIONED AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. 
          YES, WE ARE PART OF A MIXED-USE, BUT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY MEANS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE. THE PROPOSAL DOUBLES IN SIZE, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT NAME, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC IS GLARING. 
          IT STATES ON PAGE 7 THAT THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC INCREASE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY MORE THAN 5%. ON PAGE 9, IT STATES THAT THE ROADS AROUND US ARE CURRENTLY AT-- DEPENDING ON PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, ANYWHERE FROM 126 TO 184% CAPACITY. 
          AND 131% TO 179% CAPACITY. HOW DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO THIS OVERSATURATED AND POTENTIALLY UNSAFE SITUATION TO ADD MORE THAN 5%? NOT ONLY TO TRAFFIC, BUT TO PEDESTRIANS. WE HAVE CHILDREN BOARDING SCHOOL BUSSES. FAMILIES CROSSING THE DRIVE FROM THE SOUTHERN END OF OUR COMMUNITY TO CROSS TO GET TO THE POOL AREA. AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WALKING DAILY. THE TRAFFIC INCREASE ALONE WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT BY DECREASING SAFETY, INCREASING NOISE AND FUMES, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED-- WHAT'S GOING TO GO OVER THERE. 
          HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HARM US? I URGE YOU IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED, AND SOME OF YOU HAVE, TO GO THERE AGAIN AND LOOKED THROUGH THE LENS OF US, THE NEIGHBORS, AND HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THOSE OF US IN ST JOHNS COUNTY AND THE QUALITY OF OUR LIFE, RATHER THAN URBAN SPRAWL. THANK YOU. 
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          >> THANK YOU. MA'AM? 
          >> MY NAME IS HANNAH. I AM HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, CORYDON A HUE BEHIND ME. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF IDEAL ALUMINUM DEFENSE MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. 
          WE ARE LOCATED AT 3200 PARTNER DRIVE, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF INMAN ROAD. I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING THAT OUR CONCERN IS NOT WITH THE GROWTH OF THE AREA ITSELF. 
          GROWTH IS IMPORTANT TO BUSINESSES LIKE OURS. 
          WE BENEFIT FROM A STRONG AND GROWING LOCAL ECONOMY, HOWEVER, OUR CONCERN IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR GROWTH CAN BE SUPPORTED BY A CONSTRAINED WORKFORCE, AND WHAT IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON EMPLOYERS WHO ARE OPERATING IN THE AREA. 
          WE HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 2014 WHEN WE MOVED OPERATIONS TO ST JOHNS COUNTY ON THE LAND. 
          DURING THAT TIME, A CHALLENGE HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT, AND THAT HAS BEEN WITH FINDING AND RETAINING QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES. 
          UNLIKE SOME BUSINESSES WERE IN PLACE CAN BECOME PRODUCTIVE RELATIVELY QUICKLY, OUR OPERATIONS, IN PARTICULAR, REQUIRE EXTENSIVE TRAINING, PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE AND HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE. WE ARE INVESTING IN PEOPLE DEVELOPING SKILLS AND A WORKFORCE THAT GAINS VALUE OVER TIME. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP LONG-TERM EMPLOYMENT AND CONTINUITY. 
          WHEN EMPLOYEES STAY WITH US THEY BUILD CAREERS AND GAIN EXPERTISE. AND WHEN TURNOVER INCREASES WE DO NOT SIMPLY LOSE AN EMPLOYEE, WE LOSE KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIENCE, CONTINUITY, AND REPLACING THAT EXPERIENCE TAKES TIME AND SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. TODAY WE ARE AT A GROWTH SPACE. 
          WE HAVE ADDED NEW CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING TO EXPAND OUR WORKFORCE. BUT RECRUITING IS ALREADY DIFFICULT. MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES CAN MEET SIGNIFICANT DIFFS-- DISTANCES, BECAUSE QUALIFIED WORKERS HERE LOCALLY IS A CHALLENGE. AND THAT IS WHY THIS PROPOSAL CONCERNS US. A LARGE-SCALE PROJECT LIKE THIS WILL INEVITABLY COMPETE FOR MANY OF THE SAME EMPLOYEES THAT WE DEPEND ON. IN A LABOR MARKET THAT IS TIGHT. 
          THAT ADDITIONAL CONSEQUENT-- COMPETITION HAS CONSEQUENCES. 
          INCREASED COMPETITION FOR LABOR INCREASES HIRING CHALLENGES THAT LABORERS AND MANUFACTURERS IN THE AREA MUST ABSORB TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE, AND LIKE MANY OTHERS WE ARE NAVIGATING SIGNIFICANT PRESSURES, SUCH AS THE TARIFFS RIGHT NOW, AND WORKING HARD TO PRESERVE JOBS WHILE ALSO CONTINUING TO GROW AT THE SAME TIME. BUT AT SOME POINT, THERE IS A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL LABOR COST WE CAN ABSORB. 
          AND AT SOME POINT, WHEN THE THRESHOLD IS REACHED, BUSINESSES WILL BE FORCED TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, WORKFORCE AVAILABILITY IMPACTS OUR FUTURE GROWTH DECISIONS, AND EMPLOYERS CANNOT FIND AND RETAIN THE PEOPLE THAT THEY NEED TO SUPPORT EXPANSION. 
          AND THEY MAYBE FORCED TO LOOK ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF ST JOHNS COUNTY. AS THE COUNTY CONSIDERS THIS APPLICATION, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT EQUAL CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO THE EMPLOYERS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE AND HAVE BEEN INVESTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TO THE AREA ALREADY. 
          THANK YOU. >> PERFECT TIMING. 
          YOU ARE UP. >> MY NAME IS JERRY. 
          I LIVE A 257 PISA IN TUSCANY VILLAGE. 
          ONE COUPLE CONCERNS-- A COUPLE CONCERNS, ONE IS THE TRAFFIC. 
          BUT ALSO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT EXERCISE. 
          WALKING, RIDING THEIR BIKES. I AND LIT UP LIKE A CHRISTMAS TREE WHEN I RIDE MY BIKE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD OUT THERE. 
          THIS IS JUST GOING TO ADD TO IT. BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, WHAT ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENTS. INDUSTRIAL ELECTRICAL IS A MASSIVE DRAW. SO WE HAVE THOSE CONCERNS THERE. 
          AND THEN THE NOISE. THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE 24/7. 
          TRACTOR-TRAILERS COMING THROUGH. DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW LOUD THAT IS GOING TO BE? AND THEN THE LIGHTING. 
          HOW ARE THEY GOING TO WORK THEIR LIGHTS? IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A WELL-LIT AREA. 
          IS GOING TO ILLUMINATE THE OTHER HALF IN TUSCANY VILLAGE AS WELL? I WOULD SAY IT WILL. BECAUSE IT'S INDUSTRIAL LIGHTING. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS CORYDON A HUE. 
          FROM IDEAL ALUMINUM. I WOULD ALSO ASK THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY SEEING SIGNIFICANT FLOODING AROUND OUR BUILDINGS, AS WE LOOK AT THE CONTINUED GROWTH IN THE AREA. 
          EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT STARTS TO BACKUP IN TO OUR STORM DRAINS AND OUR WATER IS NOT TRAINING APPROPRIATELY OFF OF 
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THE ROOFS. SO WE ARE IN A PROJECT RIGHT NOW TRYING TO CORRECT THAT, AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE GROWTH AROUND THE AREA. I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER TAKING A LOOK AT THIS AND CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL 
          IMPACT OF ADDING THIS SPACE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS SIMON. I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO OPPOSE THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING STATED AND PUT FORTH. 
          THIS IS NOT A MINOR MODIFICATION. 
          THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD DOUBLE THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ORIGINAL AMAZON PLAN TO 250,000 SQUARE FEET, AND CHANGE THE SITE FROM A SINGLE WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CONCEPT TO AS MANY AS SIX FLEX INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, COUNTY STAFF, ITSELF DESCRIBES THE APPLICATION AND REVISION. 
          ONE OF MY MAIN PRIMARY CONCERNS IS TRAFFIC ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY'S OWN ANALYSTS PICK THIS DEVELOP META IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 1318 ADDITIONAL WEEKDAY TRIPS, INCLUDING 154 TRIPS DURING THE WEEKDAY ON PEAK HOURS. 
          THOSE TRIPS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE ROAD THAT THE STAFF ALREADY IDENTIFIES AS OPERATING ABOVE CAPACITY, STATE ROUTE 16 SEGMENT FROM I-95 TO INMAN ROAD IS SHOWN AT APPROXIMATELY 126% OF CAPACITY TO DATE. WHILE STATE ROAD 16 SECTION OF INMAN ROAD TOWARDS 4-MILE ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 131% OF CAPACITY. NOT TO MENTION THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WAS SPENT ON THE RENOVATION OF THE INTERSECTION GOING NORTH OR SOUTH ON 95 INTO STATE ROAD 16. 
          I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROJECT BEING EXEMPT FROM TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY, AND ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT, IS NOT REQUIRED TO PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION, ALTHOUGH NORMAL ROAD IMPACT FEES WOULD WORK-- APPLY. 
          ACCESSES ANOTHER CONCERN. THE PROPOSAL INCREASES THE NUMBER OF INGRESS EGRESS POINTS ALONG IN MAIN ROAD FOUR FROM TO FIVE, WHILE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THE NORMAL ACCESS MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, KEEPING THE NEW WALMART PROPOSED TO BE BUILT ON THE CORNER OF INMAN AND SR 16 WITH INGRESS AND EGRESS BEING ON INMAN ROAD. THE REQUEST FURTHER USES ARE BROADER THAN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER. 
          COUNTY STAFF NOTES THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED A SPECIFIC LIST OF PERMITTED OR PROHIBITED USES BECAUSE OF THE-- THE ACTUAL USES WOULD DEPEND UPON FUTURE TENANTS. 
          THE STAFF REPORT WOULD IDENTIFY POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL CATEGORIES INCLUDING MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION-- MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSE, DISTRIBUTION...  GARBAGE HAULERS, LUMBER YARDS, PRINTING OPERATIONS, MANY WAREHOUSE, KENNELS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES. 
          STAFF SPECIFICALLY NOTES THAT THESE ARE EXAMPLES. 
          THE UNCERTAINTY MATTERS TO ME, I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> MY NAME IS KYLE SHOWALTER. I HAD SEEN THE IMAGE THAT HAD GONE OUT THAT MR. WESTER SPOKE ABOUT. 
          I WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THEN HE SAID IT'S FALSE, SO I CHANGED UP. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK SLIGHTLY IN FAVOR OF AMAZON, BUT NOT AT THAT LOCATION. 
          NOW I'M HEARING THIS COULD BE A NUMBER OF MIXED USES AND OTHER TINGS. THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. 
          THE REASON WHY I SAID NOT AT THAT LOCATION WAS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. I HAVE LIVED OFF OF 16 FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, WITHIN 3 MILES OF THAT LOCATION. 
          I HAVE SEEN THE TRAFFIC GROW SO MUCH EXPONENTIALLY. 
          I WAS IN THE MILITARY FOR 21 YEARS. 
          THE LAST TEN OF WHICH I WAS GOING TO JACKSONVILLE EVERY DAY AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. I WATCH THE TRAFFIC AT THREE AND 4:00 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING PICK UP. 
          ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CNG STATION WENT IN, THE LIGHTS THAT HAVE GONE IN. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES TO PUT THINGS LIKE THIS. 
          I AGREE THAT GROWTH IS MANDATORY AND NECESSARY. 
          I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ATLANTA GEORGIA. 
          WE KNOW HOW THAT HAS GROWN. BUT IT'S BEEN MANAGED. 
          GROWING THIS LOCATION BEYOND WHAT IT IS, 20 YEARS, THREE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS PARCEL, NOT DEVELOPED AT ALL, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT IS DEVELOPED, NOW THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING TO BE DEVELOPED. IT IS UNFORTUNATE. 
          HAD IT BEEN DONE 20 YEARS AGO MAYBE THE OTHER PROPERTIES WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          THERE ARE LOTS OF SPACES AND ST JOHNS COUNTY THAT HAVE WAREHOUSE 
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SPACE OR MIXED-USE SPACE THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE SAME PURPOSES. WHY MAKE ALL THESE RESIDENCES DEAL WITH THAT? I'VE LIVED OFF OF WOODLAWN SINCE 2016. WE'VE HAD TWO CHILDREN STRUCK BY VEHICLES IN THE LAST NINE MONTHS THERE CROSSING THE ROAD. 
          BECAUSE OF THE PICKUP UP TRAFFIC. 
          A LOT OF IT COMING HERE TO THIS AREA. 
          THEY ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THAT SAME THING. 
          KIDS WALKING UP TO THE WOW. KIDS WALKING BACK FROM THE WAWA. 
          GOING TO THE NEW WALMART NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET THAT'S GOING THERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE THERE. IT'S AT IT'S CAPACITY, AS THE SURVEYS HAVE SHOWN FOR THE ROADS. 
          IT WAS 180% AT SOME POINT TODAY? 120% AT OTHER POINTS OF THE DAY? LUSCIOUS KEEP SOME OF ST JOHNS COUNTY GREEN. 
          THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] 
          >> YES, SIR. COME ON UP. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RON FAIRCLOTH. 
          ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE ON INMAN ROAD. AND I AM WANTING TO SPEAK IN REFERENCE TO THIS ADDITION THAT IS TRYING TO COME IN TO INMAN ROAD. INMAN ROAD RIGHT NOW IS MAXED OUT WITH THE MIXED USE OF HOME OWNERS IN THE FACILITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES OUT THERE. 
          WE HAD AMAZON COMING OUT THERE BEFORE WE SPOKE-- BEFORE WE SPOKE WITH AMAZON AND TALKED TO THEM AND THEY DECIDED TO PULL OUT AT THAT TIME. I FIND IT VERY STRANGE THAT THE LAST-- LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION CENTER IS WHAT AMAZON USES TO BRING IN THEIR MERCHANDISE. I FIND THAT A LITTLE STRANGE AND IRONIC. BUT IF IT IS GOING TO BE A MIXED-USE FACILITY, I FIND THAT A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SWALLOW, AS WELL. BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN THERE. 
          OUR ISSUE WITH IT IS THAT WE DO A LOT OF TRAINING. 
          NOT ONLY FOR POLICE, BUT WE DO FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT COME OUT AND TRAIN WITH US OUT HERE. WE PICKED THE FURTHEST PLACE THAT YOU CAN PICK TO STAY AWAY FROM AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT COME OUT THERE THAT WE DO NOT LIKE TO PUBLICIZE, TO DO A LOT OF TRAINING. BECAUSE WE ARE AWAY FROM EVERYBODY. AND THIS WOULD BRING IN PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THESE PEOPLE COME IN TRAINING. 
          THEY DO A LOT OF SPECIALIZED TRAINING. 
          ALSO WITH THE LIGHTING. WE DO A LOT OF NIGHT VISION TRAINING. SO WE CAN SHUT DOWN OUR LIGHTS SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THEIR SPECIALIZED TACTICS. WITH THIS DEVELOP AND HERE, AND THE LIGHTS ON, WE WOULD HAVE NO ACCESS TO SHUT THEM DOWN, AND THAT WOULD HARM OUR TRAINING AT NIGHT FOR ANY NIGHT VISION THERE. ALSO, THE ELECTRICAL GRID, HE YOU WILL HAVE SO MUCH OF THE PEOPLE PUTTING IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. SIX BUILDINGS COMING IN HERE. 
          SO YOU WILL HAVE TO UPGRADE THE ELECTRICAL GRID OUT AT 16 N95. 
          TRAFFIC IS MAXED AT 16 N95. EVERYBODY KNOWS AND TALKS ABOUT IT. THE COUNTY COMMISSION DOES, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOES, AND THERE IS NO MORE AVAILABILITY OUT THERE. WE HAVE UPS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THE FOUR LIKES-- LIGHTS IN. 
          TO TRY TO SETTLE THINGS DOWN A BIT. 
          NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING IN ON INMAN ROAD AND AT THE BOULEVARD. IT'S GOING TO JUST OVERLOAD THIS AREA TOO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I 
          HOPE YOU CONSIDER IT. >> THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JAVIER CASTRO. I'M A 3501 ATKINSON STREET. 
          I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER. SPECIALIZED IN AND I CAME TO THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTY IN 2005 TO MANAGE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE ALLIANCE. 
          I USE VERY OFTEN INMAN ROAD. IT IS RIGHT NOW, AS EVERYBODY ELSE SAID THAT OPPOSES THIS CONSTRUCTION, TO ITS CAPACITY. 
          ON THE PART OF PEDESTRIANS, WHEN YOU COME FROM 16 NORTH, THE 
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FIRST INTERSECTION IS PARKER. AND THAT'S AS FAR AS THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE. THERE IS NO OTHER SIDEWALK FOR KIDS, LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          GOING TO WAWA OR COMING BACK FROM WAWA, ET CETERA. 
          IT'S UNDEFINED ON WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON -- WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES. AGAIN, IT IS MAXED OUT FOR TRAFFIC. WITH THE WALMART GOING IN THERE, THAT HAS A LOGIC ON THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUT. BUT AN UNKNOWN FOR THIS PROPERTY... WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. I MEAN, WITH ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, WHAT KIND OF POLLUTION, AND, AGAIN, WHO'S GOING TO WIDEN THAT ROAD? WHO'S GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS? WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT? AM I PAYING FOR IT, OR WHO'S PAYING FOR IT AND THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          I'M DANIEL WARD. I'M WITH THE FOP OFF INMAN ROAD, TOO. I MOVED DOWN HERE FROM UP NORTH THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. I WAS NYPD UP THERE. 
          I WORKED IN QUEENS. I MOVED DOWN T DOWN TO SAINT ST. 
          JOHNS BECAUSE OF WHAT IT IS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE BEEN WHO'S HERE TODAY. 
          OUT HERE WHO ISN'T BEING PAID OUT HERE, JUST LIKE SPEAKING THEIR CONCERNS. I WAS OPEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. I WAS CURIOUS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. SEEING ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS COME UP HERE AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. 
          SEEING THEM CHUCKLING AND LAUGHING AT THEM IN THE BACK MAKES ME PRETTY UNCOMFORTABLE. I DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          THROUGH THE FOP, WE HAVE 1400 MEMBERS. 
          WE'VE SPOKEN TO ALL OF THEM. THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON ONBOARD WITH THIS. EVERYBODY'S AGAINST IT. 
          I JUST DROVE DOWN HERE FROM I59 AND STATE ROAD 16, AND IT WAS 12:50 P.M. I WAS AT A GREEN LIGHT FOR ALMOST TWO MINUTES AT I59 AND STATE ROAD 16. 
          THERE ISN'T JUST THE SPACE FOR IT. 
          THE TRAFFIC -- THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. 
          LIKE, TWO KIDS BEING STRUCK BY VEHICLES IN THE LAST NINE MONTHS. I MEAN, ANYBODY BEING STRUCK BY A VEHICLE IS TOO MANY, BUT IF YOU PUT THE CAR ACCIDENTS IN THERE, TOO. I DON'T HAVE THE DATA IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT'S A MESS. THERE'S NO SPACE FOR IT. 
          AND, YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, GUYS. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? 
          >> I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. >> YOU MAY INDEED. 
          >> MY NAME IS DALE CARSON. I'M FROM JACKSON, FLORIDA, AND I'M GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE FOP HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. 
          AND I'M IMPRESSED BY WHAT Y'ALL HAVE HERE. 
          I WISH JACKSONVILLE HAD DONE THE SAME THING. 
          WE DID NOT. WE'RE ALL DOWNTOWN, AND IT'S A MESS, AND THIS IS SO CONVENIENT AND SO NEW. 
          I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AS WELL, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP ONE THING: DID I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL TO SAY THAT, IF I WAS SWORN IN, YOU WOULD GIVE MORE WEIGHT TO MY COMMENTS THAN IF I'M NOT SWORN IN? 
          >> THAT IS WHAT IS STATED IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT, 
          YES. >> CAN YOU SWEAR ME IN? 
          I KNOW THIS IS UNUSUAL. >> WELL... 
          LEX? >> SIR, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? 
          >> I DO. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          PROCEED. >> WHEN I GREW UP IN JACKSONVILLE, AND MY FAMILY IS FROM THERE, WE USED TO COME DOWN TO ST. JOHNSS COUNTY AND GO TO THE FORT. 
          AND IT WAS A GREAT PLACE TO BE. JUST A GREAT PLACE, BUT IT WAS UNDEVELOPED. AND THE FIRING RANGE THAT IS PART OF THE FOP HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS A REAL JEWEL THAT I DON'T THINK ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS EVER RECOGNIZED. 
          IT ALLOWED -- AND FIRST MOVED OBVIOUSLY HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING HERE. I95. 
          I WAS A CHILD THAT I USED TO RIDE A BICYCLE BEFORE IT WAS 
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COMPLETED ON I95. THERE WAS LITERALLY NOTHING HERE, AND THAT'S WHY THE RANGE IS SO IMPORTANT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. I WAS A TIER 1 OPERATOR, AND I HOPE Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. IN MIAMI AS A POLICE OFFICER AND AS AN FBI AGENT. IN ATLANTA, ODDLY ENOUGH. 
          I HEARD SOMEBODY SPEAK FROM ATLANTA. 
          ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT WORKING WITH THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUPS IS PRIVACY. AND WE SEE THAT MORE AND MORE WITH THE TERRORISM THAT IS EVER-PRESENT WORLDWIDE AND IN THIS COUNTRY. WHEN YOU PUT BUSINESSES LIKE ARE BEING CONSIDERED HERE AT THE VERY FOREFRONT OF AN ENTRY POINT TO A DIRT ROAD THAT APPARENTLY LEADS TO NOWHERE, YOU ARE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO CARS, PERSONNEL, ACTIVITIES, PREPARATIONS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE USED TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. AND WHEN YOU ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN -- AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING CERTAINLY THAT YOU ALL WILL, BUT I WILL TELL THAT YOU IT ADVERSELY IMPACTS THE USE OF A VERY SPECIALIZED GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE TO PROTECT ALL OF US. SO, THERE ARE FLOCK CAMERAS, WHICH IS NOW A BIG DEAL IN THIS COUNTRY, RIGHT? THE FLOCK CAMERAS FOLLOW EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE. 
          TO HAVE AN ENTIRE GROUP OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE UP AT THE VERY ENTRY POINT TO THIS VERY SPECIALIZED OPERATION AREA IS SOMEWHAT DANGEROUS, IN MY ESTIMATION, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. IN FACT, IT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW THAT THERE OUGHTTA BE A POLICE ACADEMY THERE. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO REINFORCE THE IDEA THAT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO ASSIST LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MAINTAINING THEIR ANONYMITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO GIVE GREAT CONSIDERATION TO. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO 
          SPEAK. >> THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE? ALL RIGHT. MR. WESTER, YOU ARE UP FOR 
          REBUTTAL, SIR. >> BRAD WESTER, DRIVER MCAFRI. 
          THANK YOU. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE SWORN-IN GENTLEMAN, TIER 1 OPERATOR. 
          TALKED ABOUT THE FOP BEING A REAL JEWEL. 
          WE COULDN'T AGREE MORE. WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO GO ANYWHERE. WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO LEAVE. 
          THE USES CAN COHABITATE TOGETHER. 
          IT'S DESIGNATED FOR THAT FOR A REASON. 
          SO THERE'S A COHABITATION AND HARMONIOUS USE BLEND IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE FABRIC AND THE ENTIRE NODE, WHICH IS GENERALLY THAT ENTIRE CORNER OF 16 AND 95. LIVES WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY LESSON, AND I CAN ENTER THIS INTO THE RECORD AS WELL. THE INMANS, WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY, DEDICATED A OFF-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT SO THE FOP COULD HAVE ACCESS STARTING IN THE '80S FOR THEIR USE THAT'S ONGOING TODAY. THAT'S THE KIND OF STEWARD THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY WERE. 
          THEY ALSO SOLD LAND TO THE COUNTY FOR SOME OF THEIR USES. 
          SO, THIS EASEMENT, I'M GOING TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD, JUST SO IT'S CLEAR, THAT 60-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY EXISTS TODAY. 
          THAT WILL NOT BE IMPROVED. IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THAT TO COUNTY ROAD STANDARDS FROM THE INTERSECTION OF 16 NORTH UP TO THE FOP, SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING THIS CONSTANT DIRTY, RUTTED FROM RAIN AND WEATHER, AND VEGETATION OVERGROWN, IT'S GOING TO BECOME A MORE CIVILIZED ROAD FOR THEIR ACCESS, WHICH INHERENTLYINHERENT SHOULD HELP R TRAINING. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE NIGHT VISION. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE GUNS THAT ARE USED. 
          I DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT 24/7, OKAY? SO I'M ALSO A SECOND AMENDMENT GUY AND SERVED IN THE MARINES MYSELF, SO I APPRECIATE WHAT HAD HE DO. 
          BUT I ALSO DO KNOW THAT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS AN ELITE WORLD-CLASS TRAINING FACILITY DIAGONAL ACROSS 95, IT PROBABLY RIVALS WHAT'S UP IN BRUNSWICK. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ASKING THE FOP TO LEAVE. 
          IN FACT, IT'S THE OPPOSITE. THEY'THEY'RE ASKING US NOT TO C, WHOEVER IT IS, WHATSOEVER. THE RANGE OF USES ARE FROM MOM 
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AND POP UP TO POTENTIAL NATIONAL RETAILERS. 
          IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT SOME OF THOSE USERS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE PATRONS AND SERVING THE FOP. 
          RIGHT? A GUNSHOP. 
          A RELOADING LITTLE TENANT BAY. ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE DO SEE THAT AS A POTENTIAL THERE, BECAUSE WE WANT THAT RANGE TO EXIST FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, THAT'S THE RANGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND THE FOLKS THAT OPPOSE THE AMAZON FACILITY... 
          IT'S NO DIFFERENT NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO OPPOSE ANYTHING THAT'S COMIN' ONLINE, AND THEY DID OPPOSE THE AMAZON FACILITY, BECAUSE I WAS THE AGENT FOR THAT MATTER, AND THEY OPPOSED THIS ONE. WE FEEL, AS I STATED IN MY OPENING STATEMENT, THIS PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE FLEX WAREHOUSE AND THE OFFICE USES THAT IS DESIRED AND NEEDED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE ROOFTOPS ARE HERE, OKAY? THERE'S A REASON WHY THE 2018 ORDINANCE WENT INTO PLAY FOR CONCURRENCY. I'LL ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD AS WELL. AND IT ALSO SPECIFICALLY OPINES IN THAT SAME ORDINANCE, WHICH I HAVE RIGHT HERE... 
          WHICH IS 2018-44, BY THE WAY. AN EXEMPTION FOR TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND JOB CREATION. 
          WE ANTICIPATE THIS PROJECT TO CREATE ABOUT 250 JOBS. 
          OKAY? AND ALSO TO BRING IN OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN ANNUAL TAXATION REVENUE TO THE COUNTY. 
          THE LAND RIGHT NOW IS COMPLETELY UNPRODUCTIVE. 
          YES, IT HAS A HISTORY FROM THE ORIGINAL AGRICULTURAL INCEPTION TO BEING A RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT COMPLEX, TO BEING AN RV PARK RIGHT? TO BEING AMAZON. 
          ONE REASON WHY IT DIDN'T WORK OUT WITH AMAZON IS BECAUSE THEY EMPLOY A LOT OF VETERANS, AND THEY EMPLOY SO MANY VETERANS THAT THEY FELT IT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WASN'T IN THEIR MO TO PUT VETERANS IN THAT POTENTIAL WAY OF HEARING THE GUN RANGE AT ANY TIME, RIGHT? INCLUDING AT NIGHT. 
          SO, THAT'S A VERY STAND-UP THING TO DO, AND TO PULL OUT, CONSIDERING HOW MUCH MONEY THEY INVESTED IN THAT SITE. 
          I WAS A PART OF THAT. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, NOBODY'S GOING TO GO IN THERE AND BACK-FILL THAT EXISTING VERY SITE-SPECIFIC, VERY END-USER SPECIFIC PUD THAT EXISTS THERE RIGHT NOW. SOMEONE SAID URBAN SPRAWL. 
          THIS IS NOT URBAN SPRAWL. THIS IS ACTUALLY INFILL. 
          THIS IS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE YOU CAN GO. 
          THE TERMINUS OF INMAN ROAD IS REALLY IT. 
          ONE OF THE PRESERVE ON ONE SIDE. YOU'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH BUILT-OUT RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING TO US TAKEN TUSCANY VILLAGE AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK TODAY, ON THE OTHER. 
          INIMAGINE ROAD WAS THERE STARTING IN '99, 2000, 2003. 
          IT ALL STARTED TO COME ONLINE. INMAN ROAD EXISTED. 
          LE THE INDUSTRIAL USES EXISTED ON INMAN ROAD AND THEY HAVE REALLY BLOOMED AND GROWN DUE TO THE MARKET. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THOSE SEVERAL ISSUES. 
          ONE LADY CAME UP AND SPOKE ABOUT PARKING. 
          THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC GENERATION BECAUSE OF PARKING, NOT FINDING ENOUGH SPARKING SPACES. 
          YES, AMAZON HAS A LOT OF PARKING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF VAN PARKING. THEY HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEE PARKING. SO WE ARE ABOUT HALF OF THAT. 
          SO, THE CODE REQUIREMENT -- THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENT FOR OUR TYPE OF USE IS 167 PARKING SPACES. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING 432. OKAY? SO THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING. BUT IT'S HALF OF WHAT AMAZON HAD, TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE. SO, EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT 250,000 SQUARE FEAT. I THINK THAT SAME PERSON OR ANOTHER LADY SAY SAID, THEY'RE TRYING TO GRAB EVERYTHING THEY CAN, AND THAT'S NOT TRUE. THE FLOOR AREA RATIO ON THIS PROPERTY IS 70%. OKAY? YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE FLOOR AREA RATIO ON THIS PROPERTY AT 70%. 
          OUR FLOOR AREA RATIO WITH THE 250250,000250 SQUARE FEET OF USE ENTIRE SITE IS 9.76%. NOT 70. 
          IF YOU JUST TAKE THE NET DEVELOPABLE AREA, EXCLUDE THE WETLANDS, IT'S ONLY 23.7%. NOT 70. 
          THERE'S THEORETICAL MAXIMUMS BUILT INTO THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS, AND MR. SMITH CAN ATTEST TO THAT. 
          SO PROTECT THE IMPACTS, SO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT OVERABSORBED IN THE AREA, SO THE AREA CAN HANDLE IT, AND WHAT'S THE YIELD ON THE PROPERTY? IT'S CLEAR THAT THE YIELD PERCENTAGES AREN'T TRYING TO GRAB EVERY SINGLE THING THAT POSSIBLY COULD HAPPEN ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          WE FEEL IT'S RIGHT-SIZED, AND I THINK THE NUMBERS BEAR THAT OUT. 
          THERE'S SOME SPECULATIVE TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION DAMAGE BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION, AND, AGAIN, THAT'S PURELY SPECULATIVE. HOURS OF OPERATION AND NOISE. 
          THERE'S A NOISE ORDINANCE. THERE'S A LIGHTING ORDINANCE. 
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WE'RE NOT ASKING TO WAIVE FROM THAT WHATSOEVER. 
          THE LIGHT ORDINANCE SAYS .2-FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY EDGE. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE THAN THAT. 
          IN FACT, A LOT OF AREAS WILL BE 0.0 BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPE VEGETATION AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY. 
          IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY THAT WILL BE APPROVED. 
          RIGHT NOW, IT'S A RUTTED, ALMOST SINGLE-USE DIRT TRACK THAT GETS BBACK TO THE FOP. AGAIN, IN THE '80S, IT WAS GRANTED TO THE FOP FOR THAT USE. FOR UTILITIES. 
          ELECTRIC. WATER. 
          SEWER. INCLUDING ACCESS AND TRANSPORTATION, THAT WAS DONE BY THE FORMER PROPERTY OWNERS OF THIS SITE. THAT WILL BE IMPROVED TO COUNTY STANDARDS. THEY ARE ALSO ADDING A SIDEWALK. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO BE ASKED TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          THAT'S ON THE MPD MAP. THAT'S PART OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          FROM INMANL INMAN TO WHERE THE E SUBJECT PROPERTY IS. 
          I HEAR A LOT ABOUT UTILITIES. I THINK THERE'S OVERARCHING NARRATIVE THAT, WITH THE DATA CENTER CONVERSATIONS THESE DAYS, RIGHT? AND THE AMOUNT OF UTILITY INTENSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE THEY NEED. 
          THERE ARE NO DATA CENTRES. I'M HERE TO TESTIFY RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE ARE NO DATA CENTERS ON THIS SITE. 
          THERE ARE NO DATA CENTERS PROPOSED, AND IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT TO THE LIST AS FAR AS PROHIBITED USES, DATA CENTERS ARE IT. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A UTILITY AVAILABILITY LETTER FROM THE COUNTY STATING AND CLAIMING THAT THE UTILITIES EXIST ON THERE PROPERTY FOR THIS PURPOSES. THE 250,000 SQUARE FEET, OKAY? THAT HAS ALL BEEN SET UP BY PREVIOUS ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE OTHER PUDS. AMAZON. 
          .MULTI-FAMILY. THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE PAST. 
          THE 60-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY HAS A 15-FOOT EASEMENT OR RIGHT OF WAY SHOULDER OUTSIDE OF THAT 60-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE TUSCANY VILLAGE AREA. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 15 FEET ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, OKAY? SO COLLECTIVELY THERE'S ABOUT 9L IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PLAY IN TERMS OF THE BREADTH BETWEEN THE USES. AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT URBAN SPRAWL. IT'S ACTUALLY INFILL, AND THAT'S A FACT. STORMWATER CONSIDERATIONS. 
          WE HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER HERE, BUT WE ARE PLANNING TO ADHERE TO EVERY WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND COUNTY AND STATE REGULATION REGARDING STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE. 
          THERE'S AN EXISTING ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW FROM THE AMAZON PROJECT THAT DOES NEED TO BE REVISED FOR THIS PROJECT, SO THAT EXISTS TODAY. 
          THINGS LIKE LUMBER YARDS, GARBAGE HAULERS. 
          WE CAN INCLUDE THOSE IN A PROHIBITION. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. THAT'S NEVER THE INTENTION OF THIS SITE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A CLASS A FLEX SPACE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. 
          AGAIN, TO HOUSE MOM AND POP, ALL THE WAY UP TO TOE TENSION TO POL RETAILERS, OKAY? THOSE ARE SOME PROPOSED USES. 
          I WANT TO CALL OUT -- BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO SAY NOW THAT, ODDLY ENOUGH, THEY SUPPORT THE AMAZON SITE. 
          I WAS HERE AND I WAS THE AGENT FOR THAT, AND WE GOT A LOT OF PUSH-BACK, INCLUDING FROM THE FOR F FOP, BUT THERE'S NO RECENT THE TWO CAN'T COHABITATE TOTAL. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE FOP TO GO ANYWHERE. THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE. 
          THEY STARTED IN THE '80S. THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER A SPECIAL PERMIT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THEIR USE. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY OF THAT TO CHANGE. 
          OKAY? WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE SEPARATION IN THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS THAN WE DID WITH THE AMAZON SITE. 
          WE HAVE ALMOST A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE 8-FOOT MASONRY WALL TO THE FIRST BUILDING OF THE SIX THAT ARE PLANNED IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE MPD AS SHOWN. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP MR. MICHAEL MCNAUGHTON RIGHT NOW. 
          HE'S ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE MASTER DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT. I'D LIKE HIM TO DESCRIBE AND DEPICT SOME OF THE USES SO HOW THIS IS GOING TO LOOK IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER AND THE THEME, AND ALSO DESCRIBE THE NEED BEHIND THIS. THIS ISN'T JUST SPACE IN TERMS OF WE HOPE THIS WORKS. THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL, A LOT DAA LOTOF DATA, A LOT OF MATH, F SCIENCE THAT GOES INTO THIS, SO I'D LIKE HIM TO COME UP AND JUSS DONE THIS BEFORE, BUT I'D LIKE HIM TO STATE HIS CREDENTIALS AND ALSO DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL THEME OF THIS PROJECT, THE NEED, AND THEN SHARE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. GREAT. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. WESTER. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          HONORED TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS MICHAEL MCNAUGHTON. 
          ST. JOHNS RESIDENT, PALM VALLEY, FLORIDA. 
          MOVED HERE FROM NEW YORK CITY. DEVELOPED PROJECTS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, FROM LOWER MANHATTAN TO HAWAII. 
          I LOVE IT HERE. I'M NEVER LEAVING. 
          IT'S A PHENOMENAL COUNTY. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT I START BY SAYING WE ARE NOT AMAZON. THIS IS ACTUALLY A DEAL THAT IS 
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BEING PURSUED IN LIEU OF. I THINK IT'S CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE AMAZON LAST MILE FACILITY IS A BEEHIVE OF ACTIVITY 24/7. TANDEM TRUCKS FROM 10 P.M. 
          TO  4 A.M. ACCOMMODATE THE BLUE VANS THAT COME BACK AND FORTH TO THE WAREHOUSE THREE TO FIVE TIMES A DAY. 900 PARKING SPACES. 
          THE IMPOSITION ON THE ROADS. THE 24-HOUR, SEVEN DAY A WEEK INCREDIBLE INTENSITY, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT ON THINGS LIKE ATLANTIC BOULEVARD, WHICH JUST OPENED ONE. 
          IT HAS CRUSHED ATLANTIC BOULEVARD. 
          SO, ANYONE WHO IS LOOKING TO HARKEN BACK TO AMAZON, THIS DEAL IS A FAR LESS INTENSIVE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOR OPPORTUNITY. 
          THESE ARE YOUR LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS. 
          THESE ARE THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT PEOPLE, THE GUTTER PEOPLE, AND SMALL LIGHT MANUFACTURING ENTREPRENEURS. 
          IT IS A MORE -- MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SITE, BUT IT INCREDIBLY LOWER INTENSITY. NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. 
          NOT 24 HOURS A DAY. NOT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          AND WE RESPECT THE FOP. WE'RE CONSTRUCTING A CONCRETE WALL TO PROTECT BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. 
          WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN LOOKING OVER, EVALUATING, OR SPECULATING ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT THAT PROPERTY. 
          WE WOULD NEVER IMPOSE SOMEONE ELSE'S PERSONAL PROPERT RIGHTS ON TO THEM. IT IS THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR RIGHT TO DO WITH WHETHER A THEY. THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, AND I RESPECT THAT. THE CHARACTER OF THE TENANTS: THAT IS SPECULATIVE DEVELOPMENT. OUR PLAN IS TO INCORPORATE AN INSTITUTIONAL QUALITY, BEST-IN-CLASS PROJECT FOR ST. 
          JOHNS COUNTY. THE MAJORITY OF THE SMALL BAY FLEX INDUSTRIAL IN ST. JOHNS ARE TEMPORARY AND METAL STRUCTURES HA THAT ARE UNSLIGHTY FROM THE ROAD. 
          THEY'RE LIGHT AND KNOW INVESTMENT GRADE. 
          THIS IS A CONCRETE TILT WALL GENERATIONAL QUALITY BEST-IN-CLASS. ELEVATING A 35 TO $40 MILLION PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY, BRINGING IN NEW EMPLOYERS, NEW REVENUE, AND A HIGH-WATER MARK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE THOSE THINGS FOR THIS COUNTY. TOGETHER WITH MY PARTNER, REALTY LINK OUT OF GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, I'M THEIR FLORIDA GENERAL PARTNER. THEY WERE EXCITED TO ENTER THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I LIVE HERE. 
          THE FIRST DEAL THAT I'M DOING WITH THEM IS HERE IN MY OWN AREA OF EXPERTISE AND RESIDENCE. I RESPECT THE POLICE, THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF THE POLICE. I RESPECT THIS COUNTY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE THING FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FOR ITS EMPLOYMENT, FOR ITS FUTURE TAXATION, WHICH WITH LOOMING AMENDMENT 31 GREATLY NEEDED, BECAUSE, SADLY, UNFORTUNATELY, IF THAT PASSES, SOME OF THE MOST AFFECTED PEOPLE WILL BE FIRE, POLICE, TEACHERS, AND SO FORTH. 
          SO MITIGATING THE IMPACTS OF THOSE THINGS WITH JOB CREATION AND TAX REVENUE IS CRITICAL FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTY BY BOLSTERING THAT LEVEL OF EMPLOYMENT AND BRINGING MUCH-NEEDED JOBS, INSTEAD OF ESCHEWING THEM TO DUVAL OR OTHER PLACES. SO THIS LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, THE QUALITY OF THE TENANTS, THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND, ULTIMATELY, WHO WE HOPE TO ACCOMMODATE AND CO-EXIST WITH IS PARAMOUNT IN OUR MINDS. 
          AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. 
          SO I HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES. 
          JUST TO SHOW THE CHARACTER OF THE PROJECT. 
          IT'S SMALL. IT'S SHALLOW BAY. 
          IT'S NOT A LOGISTICS CENTER. IT'S NOT A 24/7 CENTER. 
          THESE ARE YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND LOCAL EMPLOYERS. 
          >> SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SUP SPORADIC BAY, IN SOME INSTANCES LOW-LOADED, LOW-INTENSITY, LOCAL MOM AND POP PROWLER, HVAC, GUTTERS, WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          SMALL BUSINESSES. NOT MASSIVE 24-HOUR LOGISTICS DISTRIBUTION WITH 3500 TO 4,000 TRIPS A DAY OF BLUE VANS THROUGHOUT. FRONT-LOADED. 
          ARCHITECTURALLY SENSITIVE. HIGH QUALITY. 
          NOT METAL BUILDINGS. ALL IN A FIRST-CLASS, UNIQUE-TO-MARKET, BAR-RAISING OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COUNTY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE REAL ESTATE, THE TYPE OF REAL ESTATE THAT'S HERE IN THIS CATEGORY, AND BRINGING IN MUCH-NEEDED 
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EMPLOYMENT AND REVENUE. SO... 
          TO PUT THAT IN CONTRAST, I DO HAVE TO SHOW FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT SIZES OF PROJECTS AND SO FORTH. 
          I LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE IGP 95, WHICH IS 250 FEET DEEP, 30 FEET TALL. ALSO IN THE COUNTY. 
          THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT THE CHARACTER, IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT THIS IS, AND I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A RETAIL CENTER. THE WORD "RETAIL" HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES. THIS IS NOT A SHOPPING CENTER. 
          THIS IS NOT A STRIP CENTER. THIS IS AN INDUSTRIALLY-ZONED, BACK-OF-HOUSE LOGISTICS SPACE FOR THE WINDOW GUY, GUTTER GUY, THE HVAC COMPANY. SO TRAFFIC WILL BE ROOTED IN AND FOCUSED ON THE EMPLOYEES WHO SHOW UP FOR WORK IN THE MORNING AND THOSE SERVICE VANS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF OPERATIONS, IF IT'S LIGHT MANUFACTURING OR OTHERWISE THAT OCCUR IN THE BUILDING ITSELF. THIS IS NOT A 24/7 LOGISTICS-TYPE DISTRIBUTION/LIQUIDATION THING. 
          IT IS NOT A RETAIL CENTER. SO THANK YOU. 
          YEP. >> THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, MICHAEL. 
          BRAD WESTER. DRIVER MCOF A I. 
          I WANT TO PRESENT UP HERE, AND I'LL RETURN THIS RECORD, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AVAILABLE IN PUBLIC RECORDS AS WELL, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE PREVIOUS LANDOWNERS DEDICATING THIS EASEMENT. 
          60-FOOT, TO THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE. 
          OKAY? AND THIS WAS BACK IN 1987. 
          AND THERE'S THE DATE. AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S NO REASON WHY THIS USE CAN'T COHABITATE WITH THE EXISTING LONG-TIME FOP USE THAT HIS THERE TODAY. 
          WE'RE TELLING THEM HERE IN TESTIMONY TODAY THAT WE'LL BE GREAT NEIGHBORS. WITH THE WALL. 
          THE PRIVACY. AND, AGAIN, WHAT IT DOES IS PAY HOMAGE TO THIS EASEMENT AND THE INMANS THAT DEDICATED THIS ROAD AND THIS EASEMENT TO ALLOW THEM ACCESS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT FOP IN THE FIRST PLACE. A LOT OF DESCRIPTION WAS GIVEN TO SPECULATIVE SPACE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONNOTATION TONES WITH THAT. BUT THAT THAT'S AN ACTUAL TERM THAT THE COUNTY USES FOR SOME OF THEIR BUSINESS INCENTIVE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. YOU SEE THAT "SPECULATIVE SPACE." IT BASICALLY MEANS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PITCHING: FLEX SPACE TO ALLOW A BROAD RANGE OF USES IN CONCERT WITH THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING AND THE FABRIC OF THE AREA. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE MARKET AND HOW IT WILL BE ABSORBED INTO THAT MARKET OVER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. AND SO YOU HEARD FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPER, AND HE SHOWED YOU SOME EXAMPLES. 
          THIS HERE IS JUST WRITTEN TO DESCRIBE SOME OF THE USES, AND THOSE ARE ALREADY ON THE DATA SHEET, BUT THEY'RE A LOT EASIER TO SEE IN THIS. YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT SIX BUILDINGS. WE TALK ABOUT 250,000 SQUARE FEET. AGAIN, THE MASSING OF THAT IS NOT WHAT WAS JUST SHOWN AT IGP. THE ORIENTATION AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS ACTUALLY SPREAD OUT OVER SIX DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE VARYING SIZES, FROM 32,000 SQUARE FEET UP TO AROUND 60,000 SQUARE FEET, OKAY, AND THAT'S ALL PROGRAMMED FROM THE INTERIOR OUT. 
          WHAT DO THOSE TENANT BAYS LOOK LIKE, AND HOW CAN THOSE BAYS FUNCTION FOR USERS AS THEY GROW. AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS. YOU COULD HAVE AN ENGINEERING OUTFIT IN THERE. YOU COULD HAVE A PRINT SHOP. 
          YOU COULD HAVE ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS IN THERE, BUT IT ALLOWS THAT FLEXIBILITY TO GROW. FOR MOM AND POP, ALL THE WAY UP TO A NATIONAL POTENTIAL END USER. 
          SO, THAT'S JUST DESCRIBING IT IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT IN RELATION TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE YOU. 
          AND WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I HAVE SOME OTHER EXPERTS, IF NEEDED. BUT I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, AND I'M JUST STANDING BY. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YEAH. I HAD A QUESTION. 
          IT MAY BE AN AUDIENCE MEMBER NEEDS TO ANSWER THIS, BUT AS I RECALL, TUSCANY VILLAGE IS NOT GATED, SO TRUCK TRAFFIC COULD TRAVEL THROUGH TUSCANY VILLAGE. IS -- 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> BRAD, I NEED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ON STATE ROAD 16. I'VE LOOKED AT THE COUNTY'S TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET, AND ONCE YOU GET OFF INMAN ROAD ON TO 16, GOING TOWARD 95. 
          TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC'S AT 183%, AND THEN GOING THE OTHER WAY, EAST TOWARD 4-MILE, YOU'RE AT 179%. 
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I MEAN, THOSE ARE EGREGIOUS DEFICIT NUMBERS, SO WHAT -- 
          >> YES, SIR, AND WE'RE ONE OF FEW IN THIS AREA THAT ARE DEVELOPING IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY POPULAR AREA FOR THE 
          MARKET. >> DEFINITELY. 
          >> AND, AGAIN, 125,000 SQUARE FEET EXISTS TODAY AND TITLED FOR AMAZON, RIGHT? AND THERE ARE PERMITS THAT WENT WITH THAT, INCLUDING THE STATE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ERP. 
          THIS IS ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 125. 
          BECAUSE OF ITS SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, AS SHOWN HERE. MR. MATOVINA TALKED ABOUT TUSCANY VILLAGE SPECIFICALLY. YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE AERIAL MAP. THERE'LL BE NO NEED, NOR INTENTION, NOR PURPOSE FOR ANY TRUCKS WHATEVER, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY LIVING THERE THAT'S EMPLOYED AT THIS CENTER, TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S ILL-CONCEIVED TO THINK ABOUT SOME TRUCKS POTENTIALLY DRIVING THROUGH THERE FOR THE PURPOSE TO SERVE THIS PROPOSED USE. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO PUT IN CONTEXT ON THE TERM "THROUGH TUSCANY VILLAGE." I DON'T HAVE ANY TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THEY CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE NUANCES WITH THE TRAFFIC DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US. 
          I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONCE AGAIN, THOUGH, WE'RE HELD TO A CERTAIN STANDARD FOR ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE'LL DO A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          BUT, AGAIN, WE'RE HELD TO THE STANDARD OF THAT CURRENT ORDINANCE IN PLAY RIGHT NOW FOR THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE FROM THE ADOPTION OF 2018 FOR PROMOTION OF NON-REIDENTIAL USES FOR BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. 
          BUT IF YOU COULD JUST -- >> BEFORE HE COMES UP, COULD I 
          ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? >> OF COURSE. 
          >> I DO RECALL THAT AMAZON HAD WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD 
          THERE TO -- >> THAT WAS ME THAT ACTUALLY 
          WORKED -- YES, SIR. >> BEHIND THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THAT. KEEP 'EM AWAY AS MUCH AS 
          POSSIBLE. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> BEFORE THEY CAME OUT ON TO INMAN. 
          DID YOU AND YOUR CLIENTS WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? 
          >> NO, ALL THE NOTICES WERE SENT OUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE 
          REQUIREMENTS FOR LEGAL -- >> 300-FOOT? 
          >> YES, 300 FEET, OF COURSE, SIR. 
          ADVERTISEMENTS POSTED IN THE PAPERS AND THE LIKE. 
          ONLY RECENTLY DID WE START -- AND I'M TALKING YESTERDAY AND THE DAY BEFORE -- DID WE START GETTING NOTICES OF SOME CONCERNS AND OPPOSITION. INCLUDING A GREAT INCREASE IN A.I.-GENERATED KIND OF DOCUMENTATION THAT JUST ACTUALLY WASN'T FACTUALLY CORRECT. SO, THERE WAS NO TIME TO REACT TO THAT OVER THE LAST DAY OR TWO. 
          I DID PERSONALLY WORK WITH SOME OF THE OWNERS ON TUSCANY VILLAGE THAT LIVED AND HAD THE REAR OF THEIR HOMES FACING ON INMAN. 
          WHEN YOU TRAVEL NORTH FROM THAT INTERSECTION STRAIGHT NORTH ON INMAN THAT WERE GOING TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS PARKING THERE. 
          THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT SOME OF THE VAN PARKING, AND WHAT WE DID WAS ADD MORE ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFERING ALONG THAT EDGE AND THEN ACTUALLY REMOVED SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPACES SPECIFIC TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAD CONCERNS AND PUT MORE GREEN SPACE OR PARKING ISLANDS IN THERE. WE SPECIFICALLY TAILORED OR SITE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE ACCOMMODATED FOR THEIR SPECIFIC CONCERNS. IF THEY REACH OUT -- YOU KNOW ME, I'VE DONE THIS A LONG TIME. IF THEY REACH OUT, I'LL REACH OUT AND WORK WITH THEM. DIDN'T GET CORRESPONDENCE UNTIL LITERALLY STARTING A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO ON THIS. 
          >> OKAY, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION AND THEN YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER CAN ANSWER IT. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY POSTULATING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS TRAFFIC THAT THE AMAZON USE, IF IT HAD GONE IN THERE FOR THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY? 
          >> NO. THE AMAZON USE -- ACTUALLY, THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY USED A VERY SPECIFIC TRAFFIC STUDY THAT RELATED TO THEIR USE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF -- THEY HAVE 
          24/7 TRAFFIC OPERATIONS. >> RIGHT. 
          >> SO, WHILE THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONVENTIONAL P.M. PEAK HOUR DEMANDS, BECAUSE THE VANS GO OUT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND THEN THEY COME BACK, AND YOU HAVE 18-WHEELERS BRINGING IN ALL THE GOODS AND SUPPLIES THAT ESSENTIALLY THE VANS WILL TAKE OUT ESSENTIALLY BEFORE SUNRISE AND THEN DURING THE DAY, THE CONCERNS WERE MAINLY THE SOUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          SO WE DID AN ACOUSTICS STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SOUND WOULD BE LIKE WITH 18-WHEELERS TRAVELING ON INMAN AND VANS LEAVING AND SO FORTH, AND THIS WAS BEFORE AMAZON WAS GOING TO ROLL OUT THE ELECTRIC VANS, SO BACK THEN, IT WAS STILL THE NORMAL COMBUSTION ENGINE VANS. THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL. AMAZON HAD A VERY SPECIFIC TRIP 
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GENERATION AND TRIP DISTRIBUTION IN TERMS OF THEIR USE. 
          THIS ONE IS MORE CONVENTIONAL. AND NOW WE ARE IN TO THE 12TH EDITION, I THINK, OF ITE, AS OPPOSED TO THE 11TH, WHEN WE STARTED IT. FACTUALLY, THIS WILL NOT GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN AMAZON. 
          IT WILL GENERATE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC, AND I'LL LET MR. 
          HOLES BERG EXPLAIN THAT. >> OKAY, AND I STILL HAVE A 
          FOLLOW-UP WITH YOU ON THAT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. THE PREVIOUS AMAZON DID CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY, AND THAT WAS NOT BASED ON ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL. THAT WAS BASED ON THEIR SPECIFIC END USER. BASICALLY THEIR PREDICTIONS OF THEIR EMPLOYEE SHIFT SCHEDULES. AND WE DO ACTUALLY RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN DAILY TRIPS. SO WE'RE RUNNING OUR TRIP GENERATION BASED ON THE CURRENT ITE MANUAL FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH IS THE USE ITE THAT FITS THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THE BEST, AND WE DO RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN DAILY TRIPS, PREVIOUSLY-APPROVED AMAZON USE. WE DO RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN PEAK HOUR TRIPS, BUT IT IS A REDUCTION IN OVERALL DAILY TRIPS 
          THROUGHOUT THE DAY. >> OKAY. 
          ARE -- THIS IS A BETTER QUESTION FOR BRAD, BUT -- I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. SO, ARE YOU GOING TO RESTRICT THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF YOUR FACILITY? 
          >> WELL, I WOULD -- I WOULD LEAN MORE ON THE -- MICHAEL AND THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER, BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME UP? YEAH. SORRY. 
          >> AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY, BRAD, I KNOW YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT YOU'RE VERY CONVINCING. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE ALWAYS COME UP WITH GREAT ARGUMENTS AND YOU 
          COVER EVERYTHING. >> I HOPE YOU MEAN THAT IN A 
          GREAT WAY. >> WELL, NO, I'M COMPLIMENTING YOU. YOU'RE VERY THOROUGH. 
          >> AND I'M A MAN OF MY WORD. I'VE DONE THIS A LONG TIME. 
          IF THEY REACH OUT, WE GO AND MEET WITH THEM. 
          WE JUST ACCIDENT DIDN'T GET ANY CORRESPONDENCE. 
          I REALIZE AMAZON HAS A MOTHERSHIP TYPE OF USE AND A VERY INTENSE USE. THAT WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC ON THEIR NEEDS. WE DIDN'T GET THAT. 
          ALL WE GOT WAS A.I.-GENERATED AND WE'RE GOING TO RUIN EVERYBODY'S LIFE, AND WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CRASHES DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T THINK SOME OF THAT APPLIES TO THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY. 
          SO IF PEOPLE ASK, I GO AND ACTUALLY BUILD CONSENSUS AND REACT TO THAT AND TO HELP ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS. 
          >> AND BEFORE YOUR BOSS SPEAKS. >> HE'S NOT MY BOSS. 
          HE'S MY CLIENT. >> HE'S PAYING YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M SURE. WHY -- SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN, WHY DO YOU THINK THIS WAS A.I.-GENERATED? 
          >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL. 
          YOU CAN TELL. YOU CAN TELL THESE DAYS ON THE LEVEL OF COLORATION AND VIBRANCY AND TERMINOLOGY IN IT. 
          AND IT'S A -- IT'S AN INPUT-BASED THING, SO YOU TELL IT WHAT TO CREATE, AND THEN IT JUST COMES UP WITH IT, BUT I CAN JUST TELL. I'M -- I'M VIRTUALLY GUARANTEEING THAT THE NONSENSE THAT WAS SENT OUT WAS A.I.-GENERATED, AND IT WAS MEANT TO SCARE THE RESIDENTS AND THEN DRUM UP WHAT -- POSSIBLY WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CAME UP AND SAID, OH, NOW THAT I KNOW IT'S NOT AN AMAZON FACILITY, I ACTUALLY WISH IT WAS AN AMAZON FACILITY. 
          SO YOU SEE THE KIND OF ROUND-ABOUT THAT'S HAPPENING HERE. AND IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE WE GOT THE SAME OPPOSITION DURING AMAZON. 
          ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GO THERE IS GOING TO HAVE OPPOSITION. THERE'S GOING TO BE OPPOSITION, BECAUSE RELATIVELY SPEAKING, THAT GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE HAS INHERENTLY BECOME THEIR OWN, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND IT'S MEANT TO BE INFILLED AND IT'S MIXED-USE. IT'S THE LAST PART OF MIXED-USE IN THAT ENTIRE AREA. DO YOU KNOW WHAT ABUTS US? A 20,000-ACRE PRESERVE AND SWAMP. 
          IT'S LITERALLY THE BACKSTOP. AND WE'RE HERE TO SAY UNDER OATH AND UNDER TESTIMONY -- AND I'LL DO SO IF I NEED TO, MR. TAYLOR E GREAT NEIGHBORS TO THE FOP. WE'RE GOING TO BE GREAT NEIGHBORS TO THEM. SOME OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS WILL BE THERE TO HELP SERVE THAT FOP AND THAT'S JUST THE TYPE OF BREADTH OF MOM AND POP, THE POTENTIAL NATIONAL RETAILERS THAT THIS TYPE OF FLEX SPACE WILL BE USING. 
          MICHAEL? >> THANK YOU, AND I JUST WANT TH THEIR HANDS RAISED. THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OVER. I'M SORRY. 
          >> WE CAN'T ENTERTAIN FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT. 
          WE HAD THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, SIR. 
          NO. THAT'S NOT UNDER OUR RULES, NO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
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          >> -- WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT. -- 
          >> NO, I DON'T MAKE THESE -- I DON'T KNOW IF HE TOOK YOUR WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT OR NOT. I DON'T -- 
          REPORTING. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE BACK-AND-FORTH HERE. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. 
          >> THE ADEQUAY REGARDING THE 24-HOUR OPERATION. 
          WE WILL NOT HAVE THREE-SHIFT BUSINESSES HERE. 
          UNDER FLORIDA LAW AND LEASEHOLD LAW, PEOPLE HAVE 24/7 ACCESS TO THEIR SPACE. IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO T IN THE, THEY COULD BE PRECLUDED, BUT, NO, WE WILL NOT BE SEEKING OUT 24-HOUR-A-DAY OPERATIONS LIKE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE SOME OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK. 
          MS. SPEIGEL? >> WELL, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU HAVE TIS SLIDE UP, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO EITHER BRING THIS ONE UP OR THE OTHER ONE THAT HAD THE SURROUNDING USES WITH THE RED OUTLINE. CAN YOU SHOW ME THE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BETWEEN USES? 
          >> SO, WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING PLAN THAT WILL GO -- SO THE BUFFERS WILL BE PART OF -- THIS IS -- LET ME GO ONE MORE SLIDE FORWARD. SO, THIS IS THE MDP MAP. 
          ESSENTIALLY THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP, AS YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PUD. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT WHAT THIS NEXT IMAGE DOES IS SHOW BASICALLY A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THE TREE BUFFERING, HAD YO PER CODE, ALOT EDGE. SHRUBBERY, HEDGES AND THE LIKE TO PROVIDE THAT SCREENING EDGE AND THAT SCREENING BUFFER. 
          WE'VE ASKED FOR -- ONE. WAIVERS WAS A REDUCTION FROM 20 FEET TO 15 FEET, BUT THAT DOES NOT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SCREENING AND/OR LANDSCAPE TREATMENTS THAT ARE IN THAT 
          SPECIFIC AREA. >> IS IT TO  20 TO 15 OR 20 TO . 
          >> THAT'S A TYPICAL SCREENING STANDARD IN THE CODE. 
          >> WELL, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S MIXED-USE, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, AND THE REASON WE HAVE THESE BUFFERS IS SO THAT INCOMPATIBLE USES HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PUSH-BACK. 
          SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. I DON'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER 
          HERE. >> WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ABUTTING. 
          WE HAVE INMAN ROAD BETWEEN US AND THE NEXT IMMEDIATE USE ACROSS THE STREET. THE WETLANDS OR THE SWAMP OR TE 
          FOP. >> SO THAT DOESN'T MATTER THEN, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S SEE... COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT WAS ADDRESSED WELL. 
          YOU ARE A GOOD COMMUNICATOR AND YOU DO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, AND I'M A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED, AND I'M SURE YOU ARE TOO, SO FIND THIS OPPOSITION THAT MAY BE COULD HAVE BEEN HASHED OUT BEFOREHAND. LET'S SEE... 
          NOT IN THE LIST OF POSSIBLE USES. 
          THERE WAS NO CLARIFICATION IN OUR STAFF APPLICATION PACKET THAT YOU WERE GOING TO LIMIT THE USES ALLOWABLE. 
          ARE THOSE GOING TO BE CONDITIONS OR JUST SORT OF SPECULATIVE AT 
          THIS POINT? >> WELL, I THINK SOMEONE BROUGHT UP, LIKE, LUMBER YARD AND HEAVY OUTDOOR MACHINERY, AND THEN GARBAGE HAULERS. THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          >> AUTO REPAIR. PET KENNELS. 
          >> THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. 
          SO IF WE NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THERE, WE CAN DO THAT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY REFINE IT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT HEARING AS WELL. BUT THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL NOXIOUS USES, NOT AT ALL, AND YOU'VE HEARD THAT FROM MR. MCIN AND OUT MCNA. THAT'S NOT THE USE OF THIS. 
          >> NOT MACHINE SHOPS. >> NOT HEAVY EXTREME LIGHTING NEEDS. NOT ON THIS SITE. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DEVIATIONS FROM LIGHT POLE HEIGHTS OR PROPERTY EDGE DEVIATIONS FROM THE PHOTO METRICS. TYPICALLY IT'S 0.2 AT THE PROPERTY EDGE, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT. 
          A LOT OF THIS WILL BE ACTUALLY PROBABLY 0.0 AT THE PROPERTY EDGE BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND THE BUFFERING. 
          ONE THING THAT'S -- WE'VE GOT THE FOP TO THE NORTH. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHOOTING POTENTIALLY 24/7. 
          WE'VE ALREADY HEARD A GENTLEMAN TALK ABOUT THE NIGHT VISION AND DO NIGHT TRAINING AND THE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLAY THERE FOR THE FOP. WE INTEND TO BE GREAT NEIGHBORS WITH THIS. WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO STOP DOING THAT. WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A BETTERMENT PLAN AND POTENTIALLY TO KIND OF ALSO SERVE THE FOP. BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO SERVE IT THROUGH A NICE NEW COUNTY-STANDARD ROADWAY THAT PROVIDES THEM ACCESS, AS OPPOSED TO THE DIRT ROAD THAT'S THERE NOW. WE ALREADY HEARD SOME OF THE 
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RESIDENTS TALK ABOUT THE DIRT ROAD AND ONCE THE WEATHER GETS TO IT AND THE EROSION AND THE LIKE. 
          BUT THAT'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE >> YEAH. 
          >> BUT THE SIDEWALK WILL GO ALL THE DOWN THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE. 
          DOWN PASSED THE INTERSECTION. SO THE SIDEWALK WE'RE PROPOSING AND I HAVE PROPOSED SINCE DAY 1 WILL PROVIDE THAT LINKAGE ALL 
          THE WAY DOWN INMAN. >> SO WAS THERE COMMUNICATION WITH THE FOP REGARDING THIS NEW PROJECT? 
          >> WE ONLY GOT WORD FROM THEM LITERALLY THROUGH -- I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SELLER SAID THAT THEY CONTACTED THEM AND THEN I GOT WORD YESTERDAY THAT THERE WAS A BIG POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WITH, AS I STATE, THAT BIASED AND NOT -- UNFACTUAL PROMOTION AND PROPAGANDA. 
          >> BE CAREFUL WHO YOU LISTEN TO, RIGHT? 
          >> THAT THIS WAS AMAZON AGAIN. >> OKAY. 
          WE DID -- YOU HAD BROUGHT UP YOUR TRAFFIC PERSON. 
          I GUESS THAT WAS ALL HE HAD TO SAY, WAS IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO INCREASE. IT WILL INCREASE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'LL BE SPREAD OUT MORE DURING THE DAY. 
          IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS, BUT IT WILL BE DIFFERENT QUALITY AND CHARACTER AND -- 
          >> OKAY. >> THE OVERALL AVERAGE DAILY IS LESS, BUT THE P.M. PEAK HOUR IS MORE CONVENTIONAL TO THIS 
          TYPE OF USER. >> OKAY. 
          >> WE CAN'T, NOR CAN THE SPEAKERS, ENTERTAIN COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE. I'M SORRY. 
          PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DOING THAT. AND I WILL SAY, BRAD, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH A FACEBOOK POSTING GOING OUT ALERTING NEIGHBORS TO THIS. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG 
          WITH THAT. >> THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT WHEN IT'S NOT TRUTHFUL, IT DRUMS UP A LOT OF 
          ANXIETY WITH THE RESIDENTS. >> I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK. 
          I NEVER WILL BE. >> I'M NOT EITHER. 
          >> I I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS ON FACEBOOK MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE. I DON'T LOOK AT IT. 
          >> I DON'T EITHER. IT WAS SENT TO ME BY A 
          COLLEAGUE. >> BUT SAYING SOMETHING IS A.I.-GENERATED OR NOT HAS NO INFLUENCE ON ME ONE WAY OR THE 
          OTHER. >> UNDERSTOOD. 
          >> UP MADE A COMMENT THAT YOU'RE STILL ENTITLED TO THE 125,000 
          SQUARE FEET? >> THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT PUD 
          125,000 SQUARE FEET. >> ISN'T THAT PUD EXPIRED? 
          >> WELL, IT WOULD -- EXPIRED IN THE TERMS OF IT WOULD NEED TO BE EXTENDED IF SOMEBODY WERE TO -- LIKE, AMAZON WERE TO COME THERE AND REENACT IT. THEY WOULD NEED TO GET A DEVELOPMENT ORDER EXTENSION TO EXTEND THOSE DEADLINES AGAIN. 
          IT'S STILL IN PLAY. ALL OF THE STANDARDS AND THE USE IS ALL STILL THERE IN THE FILES. THE COUNTY REQUIRES A LITTLE MORE CHECK AND BALANCE IF IT HAS SAT IDLE FOR SOME TIME, AND THAT WOULD REENACT IT THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT -- THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW MANUAL REQUIRES IT TO BE A DEVELOPMENT ORDER EXTENSION. 
          >> OKAY. CAN I ASK MR. SMITH TO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME IS PLANNING AND ZONING TERMS? 
          >> THANK YOU, MS. SPEIGEL. THROUGH THE CHAIR: THERE ARE SOME OTHER POSSIBILITIES, LIKE DEVELOPMENT ORDER EXTENSIONS, BUT GO IT IS ALREADY EXPIRED AND A DEVELOPMENT ORDER EXTENSION HAS NOT BEEN FILED, A MAJOR MODIFICATION WOULD ALMOST ALWAYS BE THE REQUIREMENT TO ADD TIME 
          TO A PUD. >> SO IT'S NOT QUITE A DO-OVER, 
          BUT KIND OF/SORT OF? >> IT COULD BE THE SAME AND THEY COULD CHANGE THE TIMING FOR FIVE YEARS IN THE FUTURE. 
          IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE A MAJOR MODIFICATION. 
          >> OKAY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT DIFFERENT IN THIS ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND CONSIDERED MAYBE MAKING IT LESS THAN DOUBLE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? OF COURSE, YOU'VE DONE YOUR NUMBERS, AND THAT'S WHAT SEEMS TO WORK. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A BIG JUMP TO ME. FROM 125. 
          >> AND I'LL RELATE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A MAXIMUM CAP OF 70% OF THE FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          >> NO, I DID SEE THAT, THAT WAS VERY CONVINCING. 
          THANK YOU. >> AND WE'RE AT 9.7. 
          >> IT'S AN IMPRESSIVE NUMBER, YEAH. 
          MR. LABANOWSKI? >> YEAH. 
          BRAD, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DIRT ROAD BEING UPGRADED DOWN TO THE FOP. IS IT GOING TO STOP AT THE FOP, OR IS IT GOING TO CONTINUE DOWN PASSED THE FOP ENTRANCE? 
          >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY YET. 
          IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE PROPERTY EDGE OF THE FOP. 
          SO WHICH INHERENTLY WOULD BE THEIR DRIVEWAY. 
          THE COUNTY WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE US TO DO SOME TYPE OF, SINCE WE'RE UPGRADING THAT ROAD TO A COUNTY STANDARD, IT WOULD LIKELY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CUL-DE-SAC OR TURN-AROUND RIGHT THERE. SO, FOR INSTANCE, AN 80,000-POUND 40-FOOT FIRE TRUCK COULD GET FREELY UP THERE AND TURN AROUND. HE THIS THEY DON'T LIKE TO BACK. 
          WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY NOT POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT WILL LIKELY GO TO THEIR DRIVEWAY. 
          BECAUSE OF THAT LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC, IT WOULD LIKELY BE 
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REQUIRED THERE, THAT IT COULD LINK UP TO THEIR EXISTING DRIVEWAY. IT LIKELY WON'T EXTEND FURTHER INTO THE PRESERVE UP NORTH OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE, BUT TO 
          THEIR DRIVEWAY FOR SURE, YES. >> BECAUSE I NOTICE THERE'S A GATE AT THE VERY END OF THAT DIRT ROAD. 
          >> YES, SIR. >> THOUGH THAT DIRT ROAD CONTINUES ON, BUT THERE'S A GATE AT THE VERY END. 
          WHAT'S THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF BAYS PER BUILDING, JUST A ROUGH 
          NUMBER? >> EACH BUILDING IS DIFFERENT. 
          TO ACCOMMODATE DIFFERENT MARKET NEEDS AND SIZES. 
          SO THESE BUILDINGS ARE ANYWHERE BETWEEN  80 AND 120 FEET DEEP, WITH 18 TO 20 CLEAR. IT WILL DEPEND ON HOW MANY CLIENTS. WE THINK THE TENANTS WILL START AT 2500 FEET, UP TO 5,000. THE NUMBER OF BAYS AND LOADING DOORS IS SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW A TRADITIONAL LOGISTICS LIKE I'VE GIVEN YOU, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR TO SIX DOORS IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDINGS. IT'S A MUCH MORE LOW INTENSIVE TYPE DOCK HIGH USE, AND MOST OF IT IS DRIVE-IN WITH ROLL-UP 
          DOOR. >> OKAY. 
          WHICH LEADS ME UP TO ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          BRAD, YOU'D SAY IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY EMPLOYING 250 PEOPLE. 
          ROUGH? >> CORRECT. 
          WE'VE RUN NUMBERS ON THAT, AND THERE'S A RANGE, BUT THE AVERAGT 
          250. >> OKAY. 
          WHICH BRINGS ME TO WHAT DR. DR. HILSENBECK BROUGHT UP. 
          TO THE EAST, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 179. 
          SO YOU'RE GOING TO ADD OVER TWICE A DAY, OVER 400 CARS RUNNING IN AND OUT OF THERE? NOT COUNT BE -- NOW I'M INCLUDING GOING OUT TO LUNCH AS WELL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO 400 VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT OF INMAN ON A ROADWAY THAT'S WAY OVERCAPACITY RIGHT 
          NOW. >> YEAH. 
          AND, AGAIN, AS TESTIFIED BY THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THE OVERALL AVERAGE DAILY IS LESS, BUT THE P.M. PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS BETWEEN 4:00 AND 6:00, IS AN INCREASE. 
          AGAIN, WITH THE 125,000 SQUARE FEET, AS MR. SMITH DESCRIBED, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT THAT INTO PLAY WITH JUST A PROVISION TO EXTEND IT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, THREE YEARS AND THE LIKE, THE BENCHMARKS PER THE CODE IS THAT REQUIRES A MAJOR MODIFICATION. 
          SO, THAT CLEARLY -- THAT IS A MORE INTENSE AVERAGE DAILY USE. 
          IF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER WERE TO COME BACK INTO PLAY, THAT EXISTS TODAY. SO WHEN YOU SAY DOUBLE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE 250. YOU REALLY HAVE TO PUT THAT MORE INTO CONTEXT OF THE INDIVIDUAL USES, WHETHER  WHAT THEY'RE FORO THEY'RE GOING TO SERVE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW IT WORKS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST LOADED AGAINST FOP, WHEREBY THE PREVIOUS BUILDING WAS. IT USED TO BE RIGHT UP AGAINST FOP AND NOW IT'S NOT. IT'S ACTUALLY SPREAD OUT LIKE A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          AGAIN, CONVENTIONAL TRAFFIC WITH THIS. 
          YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINTS. MORE CONVENTIONAL. 
          LUNCH HOUR AND THE LIKE. BUT, AGAIN, AVERAGE DAILY, LEASE "R" LESS. P.M. PEAK HOUR, A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, AND I THINK THAT PUTS IT MORE INTO CONTEXT IN TERMS OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT REQUEST. 
          >> I WOULD ALSO JUST RESPECTFULLY LIKE TO ADD: YOU KNOW, THE AMAZON FACILITY, WHILE SMALLER, HAD 900 PARKING SPACES, WITH HUNDREDS OF VEHICLES PER DAY, AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES ON TOP OF THAT 24/7. WE ARE LESS THAN HALF OF THAT PERMANENTLY DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. 
          IT'S A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT. 
          THIS IS APPLES AND ORANGES. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. 
          >>> AS A MATTER OF FACT -- THIS IS BRAD WESTER. 
          THERE WAS TANDEM PARKING LOTS. THERE WAS A PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET. ACROSS INMAN FOR THE AMAZON FACILITY. IF YOU RECALL THE SITE PLAN. 
          SMALL PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THEN THE MAIN PARKING LOT ON THE CAMPUS ITSELF, OR THE 125. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT PUTS IT IN MORE PERSPECTIVE. 
          >> YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> OKAY. 
          MR. GREEN, YOU HAD WITHDRAWN. YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK, BUT YOU'RE -- YOUR LIGHT WENT OFF? OKAY. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COUNTY TRAFFIC FOLKS. 
          PARTICULARLY DICK OR JAN, IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND DISCUSS THE TRAFFIC. PARTICULARLY ON STATE ROAD 16. 
          IT'S A WILD OUTFIT YOU GOT ON THERE. 
          OKAY. >> YEAH. 
          I'M GETTING USED TO THAT COMMENT TODAY. 
          DIRECTOR FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT. >> I DIDN'T SAY I DIDN'T LIKE IT. 
          >> SORRY, YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS IS OF 
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THE TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 16, SIR? 
          >> YEAH, I LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FROM THE COUNTY, AND I SAW THOSE FIGURES FOR MYSELF, BUT HAVE YOU DONE ANY PROJECTIONS YOURSELF, AND LOOKING AT TRAFFIC? SEEING WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF BUILDINGS AND SIZE OF BUILDINGS AND WITHOUT KNOWING SPECIFIC USES IN THERE, HAVE Y'ALL DONE ANY TRAFFIC ANALYSES BASED ON WHAT YOU PHYSICALLY CAN SEE AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO STATE ROAD 16? 
          >> AND SO I MIGHT LIKELY DEFER TO JANUAR TRANTHAM ON THIS ONE. 
          I DID NOT PERSONALLY REVIEW THIS. 
          SO AS EVERYBODY ON THE AGENCY IS AWARE, NON-RESIDENTIAL IS EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY, SO TO THAT EFFECT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN A FULL IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THIS. LETTER AWFULLY AWARE THAT STATE ROAD 16 IS ABOVE CAPACITY WITH ALL THE VESTED TRIPS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FOR THIS PROJECT, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE REQUIRED FOR THE AMAZON PROJECT, IS A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OF BOTH THE DIRECTLY ACCESSED LOCATION ON INMAN, BUT WE ALSO ASKED FOR AN ANALYSIS FOR THE INTERSECTION WITH STATE ROAD 16 TO LOOK AT ANY AND ALL IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE DONE THERE, INCLUDING EXTENSION OR ADDITION OF TURN LANES THAT DON'T ALREADY EXIST TO ACCOMMODATE CERTAIN MOVEMENTS, AND IF THERE'S ANY SINGLE TIMING THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED OR ANYTHING MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AS IT PARTICULARLY RELATES TO STATE ROAD 16. 
          WE MUST CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE SURE THAT EVERY BIT OF COUNTY CODE IS APPLIED. PARTICULARLY FOR INMAN ROAD, AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT ROAD MEETS ALL THE STANDARDS OF A MAJOR COLLECTOR, BECAUSE THAT TRIP THRESHOLD IS GOING TO PUSH IT UP INTO THAT CATEGORY OF ROADWAY. 
          AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NEED FOR PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, THE LANE WIDTH, AND THEN, AGAIN, TURN LANES AS NECESSARY AT THOSE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS. I THINK JAN IS READY TO COME UP 
          HERE. >> CAN I ASK YOU A SIMPLE STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION: IS THIS PROPOSED USE GOING TO MAKE TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 16 WORSE OR BETTER? 
          >> AND SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT CAPTURED IN THERE, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO ADD TRAFFIC. MOST CERTAINLY, SAME AS THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL WITH AMAZON, IT'S GOING TO ADD TRAFFIC, AND THEN, OUR ANALYSIS WOULD BE LOOKING AT HOW THAT TRAFFIC IS OPERATING AT THE CHOKE POINTS AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MITIGATE THOSE. BUT JAN IS HERE TO ANSWER THE SPECIFICS ON WHAT WE'VE DONE ANALYSIS THUS FAR. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> I'LL LOWER THIS, FOR SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          JAN TRANTHAM WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. 
          ANYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR HAS BEEN STRICTLY BASED ON ITE TRIP GENERATION RATES, AS WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          WE'RE ALL USING THE SAME DATA AT THIS POINT. 
          PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL, AS DICK INDICATED, WE WOULD ASK FOR DETAILED SITE ACCESS ANALYSIS. 
          THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO ANALYZE SPECIFIC USERS WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. 
          THIS IS FLEX SPACE FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          >> RIGHT. >> BUT THE FLEX SPACE TENDS TO BE -- AVERAGE-OUT, AS YOU WOULD SAY. 
          SOME OFFICE. SOME WAREHOUSE. 
          SOME STORAGE. SOME THIS. 
          SOME THAT. SO... 
          AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERCHANGE THAT DOT DID. SO THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN EFFECTIVE SIX-LANE HIGHWAY FROM ONE SIDE OF THE INTERCHANGE TO THE OTHER. IT JUST DOESN'T COME ALL THE WAY TO INMAN ROAD. SO WE SHOULD CERTAINLY BE LOOKING TO DOT TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK WOULD WORK HERE AND WHAT'S THE BEST IMPROVEMENT FOR THE INTERSECTION AT INMAN. 
          >> OKAY. BUT EVEN GOING FROM INMAN EAST 
          TO 4-MILE, IT'S AT 179% OF -- >> BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED 
          TRAFFIC, YES, SIR. >> TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC, CORRECT. OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING THERE. 
          THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          >> APPRECIATE IT. WELL... 
          ANY -- ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? 
          >>> NO, SIR. >> OKAY. 
          MR. MATOVINA. I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. 
          >> I DON'T HAVE IT ON. SO, I'M GOING TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS ON IF, IF THAT'S OKAY, THIN. 
          >> PLEASE. PLEASE DO. 
          >> I THINK, AS MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW, WHEN THE LAND USE ALLOWS A PARTICULAR USE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE, 49 TIMES OUT OF 50, I VOTE FOR THE ZONING. THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW TIMES OVER THESE EIGHT YEARS THAT I HAVE NOT. 
          I THINK THE CRITICAL TECHNICAL ISSUE HERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF 
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ANCILLARY ISSUES ABOUT THE ROAD TO THE POLICE USE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND I CONSIDER THOSE ALL TO BE ANCILLARY. 
          I THINK THE TECHNICAL ISSUE HERE, IN MY OPINION, IS APPLICANT BEARS THE INITIAL BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND COMPLIES WITH THE REGIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MAY STILL DENY THE APPLICATION IF THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT MAINTAINING THE EXISTING ZONING SERVES AS A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE. 
          A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO -- I'M GOING TO KIND OF SKIP THROUGH A FEW THINGS. PRODUCING AN INCOMPATIBILITY. 
          DEVIATION FROM AN ESTABLISHED OR DEVELOPING LOGICAL OR ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT. PRODUCES A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES OF THE ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES OR DEEXTRACTION OF THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS CHARACTER BY CREATING EXCESSIVE NOISE, LIGHTS, SLY OPERATION, FUMES, ODOURS, DUST, PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES AND OTHER DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OR NUISANCES AND IMPACTS ON ENVIRONMENTALLY-EXTENSIVE FEATURES. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THOSE THAT I CAN CROSS OUT. THERE ARE A FEW OF THOSE THAT I CAN'T. NOT WITH WHAT WE HAVE. 
          THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AT THIS JUNCTURE ARE HUGE. 
          TWICE, I'D SAY, IN THE LAST 60 DAYS, I'VE GOTTEN STUCK IN A TREMENDOUS WAIT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON I-95. 
          IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC ON THIS PARTICULAR ROAD. 
          BUT GETTING TO WITHIN WHERE I COULD SEE I-95 WAS NOT ALL THAT DIFFICULT. GETTING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF I-95 TOOK A VERY LONG TIME. SO THIS AREA AND WHERE INMAN INTERSECTS IS DIFFERENT THAN JUST YOUR RUN OF OF THE MILL STATE ROAD 210 KIND OF HALFWAY BETWEEN 935 AND  95 AND SOMEWHE. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT, IN MY OPINION. SO, THAT'S -- THOSE ARE NEGATIVE THINGS. THE POSITIVE THING IS THAT THIS CLEARLY IS A REDUCTION OF THE TRIPS. 
          I BELIEVE THEY COULD ASK FOR 343 APARTMENTS ON THIS SITE, WHICH BASED ON MY CALCULATIONS I THINK IS 260 PEAK HOUR TRIPS. 
          I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE THAT THE PROPOSAL PRESENTED IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE PROPOSAL. I DON'T THINK I COULD VOTE FOR THIS TODAY, THOUGH, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON IS NOT THE VERY ATTRACTIVE PROPOSAL THAT WAS PRESENTED. 
          AND SO MY SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THEY PERHAPS BACK UP A SECOND HERE. 
          MAYBE GO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. 
          MAKE THE PUD SPECIFIC TO THEIR PROJECT. 
          AND THEN IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT I COULD VOTE ON, AS LONG AS THEY WERE PROVIDING CONDITIONS TO MITIGATE IMPACTS, AND I REALLY THINK THEY NEED TO LOOK VERY STRONGLY OT AT THE ISSUE OF TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH TUSCANY VILLAGE, BECAUSE THE INTERSECTION, FROM MY MEMORY -- THE INTERSECTION OF INMAN AND 16 DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TURN LANES AND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE INTERSECTION FURTHER TO THE WEST, WHICH IS CLOSER TO I-95, HAS GOT A LOT MORE LANES TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE AND MAKE TURNS. SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME LIKE THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT. 
          SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, MAYBE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, SOME ADDITIONAL HOMEWORK AND CHANGING THE PUD TO BE A LOT MORE SPECIFIC THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. MR. WESTER? WOULD YOU LIKE TO -- WE'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE MINUTES TO CONSULT WITH YOUR CLIENT. OR CLIENTS. 
          OKAY. WE'LL TAKE A FIVE TO SEVEN-MINUTE BREAK RIGHT NOW, AND 
          >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S CONVENE THE MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I'VE BEEN INFORMED THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUT IN THE LOBBY. THEY NEED TO COME IN. 
          IT'S OUR APPLICANT, I BELIEVE, AND -- SO, LET'S GET THE MEETING 
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BACK UNDERWAY. IT'S ALREADY BEEN A LONG MEETING. AND WE'RE -- OH, THERE SHE IS. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, WE'RE MISSING YOU. 
          >> SORRY. >> IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. MR. WESTER? 
          >> ALL RIGHT. MR. HILLSEN BECK. 
          DECIDE TODAY OF A DATE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE ON THE NEXT PZA. 
          WE JUST CAN'T DO IT TODAY. WE PUT IN A PROHIBITION ORDER. 
          CONDITIONAL, THESE WON'T HAPPEN. OX NOXIOUS. 
          HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. ANYTHING LIKE. 
          THAT WE'LL ADD ALL OF THOSE USES IN THERE, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE HEAVY GENERATORS. THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THERE. I GET IT WE'VE ASKED FOR A BROAD FLEX-BASE USE, BUT, YES, IF WE CAN GET ON THE 15TH AND THEN KEEP NOVEMBER 3RD, TO WE'RE STILL ON TRACK, WE CAN HAVE THAT TOMORROW TO STAFF. OF THOSE -- THE USE PROHIBITION ADDED TO THIS SPECIFIC LIST SO AT LEAST WE CAN ALL SEE THAT SPECIFICALLY NOW PUT INTO THE PUD WRITTEN DESCRIPTION. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE ACCEPT THAT? AND WE CAN DO A DATE CERTAIN TODAY, AND THAT WAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE, BECAUSE IT'S ADVERTISED AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          THAT WOULD INHERENTLY LIMIT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. AND ALSO INCLUDE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS, AS I JUST MENTIONED, BECAUSE OF THE TYPES OF TRUCKS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE UTILIZING AND PATRONIZING THOSE HEAVIER, MORE INTENSE, INDUSTRIAL-TYPE USES. 
          >> SO YOU'RE SEEKING A CONTINUANCE? 
          >> AND WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE IN THERE NO RETAIL AS WELL. 
          WEWE SAID IT. WE TESTIFIED TO IT TODAY, BUT WE 
          CAN PUT IT IN WRITING. >> SO YOU'RE SEEKING A CONTINUANCE, TIME CERTAIN TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT, BUT -- SORRY, THERE ARE TWO OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK, GO AHEAD. UP HERE. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE. 
          I WAS TRYING TO SET A RECORD FOR OCTOBER 15TH FOR THE MOST AMOUNT OF ITEMS. IT IS ALREADY 14 ITEMS. SO THIS WILL BE THE 15TH ITEM. SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT, 
          PLEASE. >> THIS ONE CAN GO PRETTY QUICK, ONCE WE DECIDE THE NUMBER OF USES THAT WE'RE LIMITING, IN MY 
          PROFESSIONAL OPINION. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A LONGER MEETING THAN THAT, BUT I'M UP FOR IT. 
          >> OKAY. AND JUST FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CHAIR AND THE REST OF THE BOARD: YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A WE HEARING WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT MEETING. IF YOU'VE BEEN GOING TO ANY OF THE AG ENCLAVES, THEY'VE BEEN CONTINUING ITEMS AND THEN JUST GOING BACK INTO DELIBERATION. YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO. 
          NOW, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO REOPEN TO A NEW PUBLIC HEARING, YOU DEFINITELY CAN. BUT YOU'VE HAD YOUR PUBLIC HEARING TODAY. WHEN YOU CONTINUE IT, YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          AND I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT YOU WOULD ADVERTISE IT AS SUCH. 
          >> AND I WON'T DO A PRESENTATION. 
          WE'LL JUST HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION ITSELF ON WHAT WE'RE PROHIBITING OR LIMITING TO THE USES ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE'LL SHOW THAT AND THEN HAVE HANDOUTS FOR YOU GUIDES. 
          YOU'LL HAVE THE PACKET AS WELL, AND GO TO VOTE, SO WE WON'T HAVE 
          TO DO A FULL PRESENTATION AGAIN. >> OKAY. 
          LET ME GET BOARD INPUT HERE. MR. MATOVINA? 
          >> YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS, BRAD, I KNOW YOU STATED YOU WOULD ALL INCLUDE IN THE NEGATIVE. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING STATED IN THE POSITIVE. 
          >> OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. 
          >> IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS -- THIS IS THE TYPES OF USES. 
          >> WE CAN DO THAT. AND I THINK I MEANT THAT AS WELL, BUT, YES, CLARIFYING. YES, I WILL. 
          >> LET'S BE SURE THAT WE DEAL WITH THIS QUESTION THOSE OF TWO INTERSECTIONS, BECAUSE THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS CONCERN ME. 
          >> OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. 
          >> INMAN AND 16, AND THEN -- I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THE WESTERLY ROAD IS, BUT WHATEVER THE WESTERLY ROAD IS THAT GOES OUT TO 16. BOTH OF THOSE. 
          THANK YOU. >> MR. GLEAN. 
          >> I GOT A TWO-PART QUESTION. DO WE FEAR WE WILL APPROVE IT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, AND IF SO, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT NOW? BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION WITH THE STRINGS ATTACHED THAT THESE ARE OUR VERY CONCERNS, AND WE WOULD NOT PASS THIS WITHOUT THESE. AND WE DID THE FINAL 
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DECISION-MAKER. WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT KEEPS YOU ON SCHEDULE. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM VOTING ON IT TODAY OR NEXT WEEK. 
          I AGREE WITH HIS CONCERNS. I THINK YOU -- YOU AND I THINK THE AUDIENCE AND NEIGHBORS HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS. 
          BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SENDING IT ON TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THAT GIVES YOU -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE SCHEDULED. YOU'RE SEVERAL WEEKS OUT, YEAH. 
          >> YES, SIR. WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, AND WE WANT TO DEFINE THOSE SPECIFICALLY. 
          WE TESTIFIED TODAY ON THE FLEX USES, BUT WE GET IT. 
          >> JUST TO COME BACK HERE TO YET GETA "YEA" AND YOU CAN GO AHEADR AMOFAMENDMENTS, OR, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MET BEFORE YOU HIT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. 
          JUST A THOUGHT. >> MS. SPEIGEL? 
          >> WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION, TOO. 
          IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE CHANGING, THEN WHY CAN'T WE JUST VOTE NOW? IT JUST SEEMS SILLY TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND TAKE FIVE MINUTES, AND SAY, THIS IS OUR LIST... 
          YOU KNOW. THE CONDITION THAT YOU'RE GOING 
          TO PROVIDE A LIST TO THE BCC. >> AND YOU'RE PLEDGING UNDER 
          TESTIMONY TO PROVIDE THAT. >> WE CAN VOTE YOU UP OR DOWN. 
          THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. >> WE ALL CONCURRED THAT WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT LIST. YEAH. 
          >> OKAY. MR. L LABANOWSKI? 
          >> I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT MR. MATOVINA WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WERE THE TWO INTERSECTIONS ON 16. 
          WHAT CAN BE DONE TO FIX IT, OR WHATEVER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. MATOVINA WAS LOOKING FOR, BUT HE DID BRING UP THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS. 
          AND THAT IS OUTLET CENTER DRIVE. >>> MR. GREEN? 
          >> SO, YOU COULD GET A VOTE NOW? YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT WIN THE MAJORITY TODAY. YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT CHANCE? I MEAN, THE COMMISSION ALWAYS READS AND SORT OF SEES WHETHER A IT IS. I MEAN, I'M READY TO THROW THE 
          MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >> I.IT MAY NOT GET EVEN SECONDI DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M GOING TO GET MR. MATOVINA TO ADD A LOT OF 
          HIS CONCERNS TO MY MOTION. >> I APPRECIATE THE EXPEDIENCY OF THAT. I'M UNDER TESTIMONY DESCRIBING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. I LEAVE IT IN -- YOU KNOW, I LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          I MEAN, I'M HERE TO SEEK AN APPROVAL FOR MY CLIENT. 
          BUT I'M ALSO -- YOU KNOW ME. I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. IT WAS KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME ABOUT THE TYPES OF USES, BUT WE HAVE CONVENED OUTSIDE AND WE AGREE WHAT THOSE SHOULD BE, TO FURTHER DEFINE THEM IN THIS PACKAGE, AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING THEM. 
          SO, WE'RE PLEDGING TO THAT. >> I WOULD PERSONALLY RATHER SEE ALL THAT THAN VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW. 
          >> COULD WE VOTE ON IT AND THEN YOU SEE IT AND THEN RECONSIDER? 
          >> I DON'T LIKE THAT COURSE OF ACTION, PERSONALLY, BUT --... 
          THROUGH, 3-3 IS GONNA BE DEADLOCKED. 
          THERE'S NOT SEVEN HERE, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          >> RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE OUR SEVENTH MEMBER. RIGHT. 
          TODAY. AND WE DIDN'T LAST TIME WE MET, EITHER. WE WERE MISSING ANOTHER PERSON, SO... ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION OR WHATEVER. WHO WANTS TO MAKE IT? WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY. THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO DO 
          SO. >> IF I PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, WILL YOU READ IN YOUR CONCERNS ON IT? IT'S A LONG LIST OF CONDITIONS FOR ME TO DEAL WITH IN A SHORT 
          PERIOD OF TIME. >> ANY HELP HERE WITH -- WITH 
          THAT? >> SO, YOU CAN HAVE -- THIS -- WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO EVEN IF THIS WERE TO GO 3-3, IT GOES WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD, BUT IT COULD STILL POTENTIALLY MOVE ON. 
          THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE APPLICANT, WHETHER IT MOVES ON TO THE BCC WITH A 3-3. SO, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS BOARD WILL FAIL IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          YOU CAN -- NO. BUT THIS RECOMMENDATION CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT TO THE BOARD, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT. 
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I'M JUST SAYING IT CAN STILL PROCEDURALLY MOVE EVEN WITHOUT A MAJORITY VOTE TODAY. THE -- AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE BOARD'S DECISION IF THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT HENRY AND GREG CAN MAKE TOGETHER IN THEIR MOTION, IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE FOR, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE WHATEVER YOU SAY TODAY AND PUT THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT GOES TO THE BCC AS YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THEY'VE PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE CHANGES, AND THOSE CHANGES SHOULD APPEAR PRIOR TO GOING TO A BCC MEETING. SO YOU'LL SEE IF THEY DIDN'T AND HOLD 'EM ACCOUNTABLE, BUT HE'S GOOD FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT. BUT AFTER YOU MAKE THE MOTION AND YOU TRY TO DESCRIBE IT, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE GREG HAPPY, YOU DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO SECOND IT, AND, AGAIN, IT'S THE LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU GIVE HERE THAT GOES INTO THE STAFF REPORT THAT IS A PIECE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, THAT YOU'RE FOR SOMETHING, ONLY IF THEY MAKE CHANGES THAT ACCOMMODATE THESE CONCERNS... 
          IS I THINK WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GO. 
          >> AND WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE IN THIS IS AN ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE FRONT EDGE OF INMAN. 
          >> I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. 
          IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD. 
          >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION? ARE YOU GOOD WITH THIS, OR YOU 
          WANT TO WAIT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS? >> WELL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- HONESTLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- HONESTLY, THAT WE HAVE THE VOTE, BECAUSE IF IT'S A 3-3, ISN'T THAT KNOWN AS A TECHNICAL 
          DENIAL, LEX? >> HERE, IT'S JUST -- IT'S TECHNICAL RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, BUT HERE'S -- HERE'S THE OTHER THING I WILL GIVE TO YOU AS PROCEDURAL: IF YOU GET A DENIAL OR TECHNICAL DENIAL, YOU CAN REQUEST SOME OTHER ACTION FROM THIS BOARD BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT 
          ITEM. >> OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. >> SO IF WHATEVER MOTION IS A NEGATIVE MOTION FOR YOU, YOU CAN PROFFER SOMETHING ELSE. 
          >> I CAN STILL ASK IT TO BE TABLED. 
          RESCIND THAT VOTE AND TO TABLED TO THE VERY NEXT DATE SO YOU SEE IT, BUT I'M PLEDGING TO YOU AN ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON INMAN AND A PROFFER TO PROHIBIT SPECIFIC USES THAT WE HEARD ABOUT TODAY THAT THERE ARE STRONG CONCERNS. 
          I'M PLEDGING TO YOU THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT SITTING HERE AND GOING THROUGH THE CODE AND STRIKING THROUGH IS -- WE'VE WASTED A LOT OF TIME ALREADY. THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM TODAY. 
          SO I WANT TO -- I PLEDGE THAT, AND IT'S UP TO YOU, AND I PUT -- I'M TRUSTING YOU GUYS TO MAKE THE RIGHT VOTE. 
          I'M GOING TO BRING THAT DOCUMENT BACK, REGARDLESS, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT. SO IF YOU'RE VOTING ME TO BCC TODAY, YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE THAT DOCUMENT. 
          >> AND, HENRY, BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, MR. LABANOWSKI HAD HIS 
          LIGHT ON. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE EVERYTHING. NOT JUST SITTING HERE TALKING BACK AND FORTH, BECAUSE SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHERE -- YEAH, IT NEVER HAPPENED. 
          I'D MUCH CARRY SEE IT. IT TAKES FIVE SECONDS FOR US TO 
          VOTE ON AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> I'LL MAKE A DECISION. 
          I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THIS TABLED TODAY FOR A VOTE AND I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK FOR YOU TO SEE IT IN TWO WEEKS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE IT AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY MOVE TOWARD 
          COLLECTIVELY. >> MR. PERKINS IS NOW RECOGNIZED. I CAN'T GET -- OKAY. 
          >> CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS? 
          TO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. >> YES. 
          >> AM I RECOGNIZED? THANK YOU. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DATE CERTAIN IN TWO WEEKS TO HAVE THIS RECONSIDERED. NOT A FULL PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> OKAY. >> WITH THE SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT MR. MATOVINA AND MR. LABANOWSKI HAVE REQUESTED. 
          >> AND AN ENHANCED LANDSCAPING BUFFER. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I'LL SECOND. 
          I'LL MAKE TO MAKE A COMMENT TO MR. SMITH, IF I MAY. 
          CAN THAT BE PUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA AT THE 
          NEXT EATING? >>  THE 
          NEXT MEETING? >> I PROMISE YOU I WON'T BRING A 
          SLIDE SHOW. >> IF THAT IS THE SUGGESTION OF 
          THE BOARD, MOST CERTAINLY. >> I LIKE THAT IDEA, ACTUALLY. 
          >> I'LL BE QUICK, I PROMISE. NO SLIDE SLOW. 
          >> WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO MOVE IT TO THE 
          BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND TO MOVE THIS AS THE NUMBER 1 ITEM ON THE AGENDA ON OCTOBER 15TH. 
          ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'LL NOW HAVE 15 ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY? ALL RIGHT? WE HAVE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND. OUR VOTING SCREEN UP, PLEASE. 
          VOTING FOR THE CONTINUANCE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT PASSES ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY. UNANIMOUSLY PASSES. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE DIALOG. THANKS. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND THANK THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING. OKAY. 
          [6. MAJMOD 2026-13 Shoppes at Mill Creek Forest.  Request for a Major Modification  to the Shoppes at Mill Creek Forest PUD (Ordinance 2018-45, as amended), to allow a land use exchange converting 120,000 square feet of permitted professional office space to 41,500 square feet of commercial/retail space based on equivalent vehicle trips, resulting in a maximum of 440,500 square feet of commercial/retail space and 15,000 square feet of professional office space; and to revise the Master Development Plan (MDP) Text and Map to reflect all proposed changes. ]
WE'VE HAD OUR BREAK, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, WHICH IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION. 
          SHOPS AT MILL CREEK. BLAIR NIGHTINGLY. 
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NIGHTING, EXCUSE ME, TO PRESENT, AND WE NEED EX-PART. 
          EX PARTE.MS. SPEIGEL? MA'AM? 
          >> YES. I JUST HAD A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MS. NIGHTING THERE'S A LODGE PACKET OF OPPOSITION LETTERS, AND IN FAVOR EMAILS. 
          16 FOR AND SEVEN OPPOSES POSED. >> MR. LABANOWSKI? 
          >> YES, I VISITED THE SITE, AND AS WELL GOT A LARGE NUMBER OF 
          EMAILS. >> SEEING NONE. 
          NO OTHER EX PARTE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          >> THANK YOU. BLAIR NIGHTING WITH KINLEY HORN. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. I'M HOPING THAT I WILL BE QUICK. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. IT'S VERY WARM IN HERE, SO MY FACE IS READY. SORRY. 
          TODAY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SHOPS AT MILL CREEK MAJOR MODIFICATION, AND WITH ME IS BILL SHOWING, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND MYSELF, CERTIFIED PLANNER, AND I'M GOING TO QUICKLY, MAYBE, IF THIS WORKS... LET'S SEE. 
          TOO MUCH. OKAY. 
          QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE REQUEST REAL QUICK. 
          WE ARE REQUESTING TO CONVERT 120,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE USE TO 41500 COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          THE CONVERSION IS TRAFFIC NEUTRAL. 
          SO, WHERE ARE WE IN THE WORLD? WE ARE AT THE INTERSECTION OF LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY AND GREENBRIER, AND THE NORTHEAST SECTOR OF THE COUNTY. IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE AND OUR ZONING IS PUD. THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2018. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS BUBBLY. SO WE TRIED TO TAKE THAT WITH THE NEW ONE AND JUST UPDATE IT TO RECOGNIZE THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS THAT HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED IN THIS PUD. 
          AND WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING TO UPDATE THE PHASING. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO BRING UP A POINT -- I. HAVE A POINTER. 
          WE BROUGHT OUR POINTER. IF YOU LOOK, WE HAVE THIS CORNER HERE, RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE SCHOOL IS. 
          MISS JUDY, YOU HAD ASKED WHERE -- THIS IS THAT ROAD -- NOT THE SCHOOL, EXCUSE ME, THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE IS THE ONE THAT GOES DOWN TO THE PARK SITE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS WAY DOWN IN HERE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT IN LOCATION TO WHERE IT WAS. AND SO -- THIS CLICKER IS NOT LIKING ME -- REALLY, ESSENTIALLY OUR REQUEST IS TO MOVE SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT WAS BASED ON TRIP GENERATION SO I WILL BRING UP BILL SCHILLING TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT METHODOLOGY. THIS IS THE CLICKER, THIS IS OUR 
          POINTER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE MY NAME IS BILL SCHILLING. THE MAIN INTENT AND THOUGHT PROCESS THROUGH PROCESSING THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION -- EXCUSE ME, OF MILL CREEK, WAS TO CONVERT THESE OFFICE USES, SINCE COVID, THE DEMAND FOR OFFICE HAS DECLINED. 
          AND IN THIS PUD, AGAIN, IT IS ALL NONRESIDENTIAL. 
          SO OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL. AND RIGHT NOW THE DEMAND IS FOR RETAIL, THERE'S LITTLE OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL, SOME OF THAT BEING WHERE WAREHOUSES HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED TO DATE. BUT TODAY, THE PUD AS APPROVED, ALLOWS UP TO 399,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES AND UP TO 135,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE USES. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL, BASICALLY A CONVERSION OF THE OFFICE USES SO IT IS AN INCREASE OF 41,500 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, WITH 120,000 SQUARE FOOT REDUCTION OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE REASON WE ARE PROCESSING THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION, IS THAT THIS PUD WAS NOT APPROVED -- OR WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, IT DID NOT CONTAIN 
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A CONVERSION MATRIX, A LAND USE CONVERSION MATRIX. 
          IN 2018 WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. 
          BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS MAJOR PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR THE CONVERSION. SIMILAR TO A LAND USE CONVERSION MATRIX, WE DID THE CONVERSION BASED N THE COUNTY'S CRITICAL OUR, WHAT THEY LOOK AT TYPICALLY FOR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PURPOSES, WHICH IS PM PEAK HOUR. AND THE EQUIVALENCY OF WHAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL LAND USE EQUIVALENCY TABLE IS THAT ESSENTIALLY, EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL GENERATES ROUGHLY THE SAME TRIPS OR THE SAME PEAK HOUR TRIPS AS 2900 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE. THAT IS HOW THE EXCHANGE WAS CALCULATED. I KNOW WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND HAVE REVIEWED THOSE AND EXCHANGED CALCULATIONS AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE REVIEWED THOSE CONVERSION CALCULATIONS AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY OBJECTIONS TO THEM. 
          AGAIN, AS NOTED, THIS EXCHANGE IS TRAFFIC NEUTRAL AND DOES NOT INCREASE THE PEAK HOUR PROJECT TRAFFIC, EXCEPT IT IS EXPECTED 
          TO KEEP IT AT THE SAME LEVEL. >> SO HE SAID ALL OF THE TRAFFIC WORDS. SO SOME OF THE PROJECT BENEFITS IS THAT THIS DOES ADD NEEDED RETAIL IN AN AREA WHERE THERE IS ALREADY RETAIL. THIS IS WHAT WE ENVISIONAS A COMMERCIAL NODE. AND IT DOES REDUCE THE OFFICE USE, WHICH IS BETTER SUITED IN OTHER AREAS. 
          AND THERE IS AN ACTUAL OFFICE CONDO COMPLEX COMING UP JUST NORTH ON ROBERTS ROAD HERE. SO THERE WILL BE SOME OFFICE, JUST NOT SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF OFFICE IN THIS LOCATION. 
          THE MARKET REALLY IS KIND OF PUSHING TOWARDS THE RETAIL HERE. 
          AND TO NOTE, WE ARE KEEPING ABOUT 15,000 OFFICE SQUARE FOOTAGE, PROBABLY I'M THINKING A REAL ESTATE AGENT, AN INSURANCE AGENT THAT COMMINGLES WITH THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL VERSUS AN OFFICE COMPLEX, WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT SINCE COVID, ISN'T REALLY IN THIS TYPE OF AREA. AND ALSO THE PUD DOES RECOGNIZE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE CONVERSION IS TRAFFIC NEUTRAL, IT CONVERTS 120,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE TO 41,500 COMMERCIAL AND THEN IT REDUCES THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THIS PUD. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS A SHORT AND SWEET AFTER SUCH A LONG NUMBER 5. 
          I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BILL IS HERE, I'M SURE YOU HAVE TRAFFIC QUESTIONS, HE IS HERE. 
          WE ARE READY IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> HELLO. I APPRECIATE THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, I KNOW THIS IS APPROVED FOR A WHILE, YOU WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF DESIGNING WHAT IS APPROPRIATE HERE, WITH 
          THE RESIDENCE? >> WE DID MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS OF. A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAD QUESTIONS. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS CONVERTS, AND WE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU REDUCE SO MUCH OFFICE, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC INCREASE. THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT IT IS MORE RETAIL, SO IT HAS TO BE MORE TRAFFIC. 
          WHEN REALLY, WE ARE REDUCING SO MUCH OFFICE. 
          AND THERE WERE SOME CITIZENS THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF TRIPS, THE OFFICE, ALL OF THAT OFFICE WOULD PROBABLY BE A HINDRANCE DURING SCHOOL DROP OFF. SO I THINK THAT REALLY, THIS IS A BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE SWITCHING IT. 
          >> AND AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, NOW THAT ROAD HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE THE PUD WAS FIRST APPROVED. 
          SO NOW YOU HAVE A MEDIAN AND THOSE EXIT POINTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE STRAIGHT THROUGH. BUT I KNOW THAT IS NOT FOR US TO DECIDE HERE TODAY. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT ABOUT AND YOU WILL ADDRESS? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE IS ANY CHANGE IN THAT FROM 
          YOUR PRIOR PUD APPROVAL. >> THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. 
          WHEN THAT PUD CAME THROUGH, IT WAS A TWO-LANE, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FOUR-LANE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          ALL OF THAT WAS THE PLAN. THESE ARE PLANS, NOT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF THIS WILL LOOK LIKE. SO WE KEPT ACCESS THE SAME BECAUSE YES, THOUGH THE LANING IS HAPPENING, IT IS NOT COMPLETE. BUT ALSO, EVERY SINGLE USER THAT COMES IN HERE HAS TO DO A SITE ACCESS ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE WHERE THOSE LEFT TURNS, WHERE THOSE RIGHT TURNS NEED TO BE IF WE HAVE TO REALIGN THOSE MEDIANS, WE WILL HAVE TO DO THAT. AND IF WE HAVE TO ADD MORE RIGHT TURN LANES OR LONGER XL LANES, WE WILL DO IT AT THAT TIME. 
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THAT IS WHY WE INTENTIONALLY LEFT IT THAT WAY. 
          WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL USERS COME IN. 
          AND IT WILL BE ON THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THOSE OPERATIONAL 
          IMPROVEMENTS. >> GOOD. 
          I KNOW YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE US WITH A MAP OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO BE EQUALLY DIVIDED BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OR WILL THEY MORE BE TOWARDS THE EAST? IS THAT EAST? I DON'T KNOW THE DIRECTIONS. 
          >> WE DO NOT HAVE A PLAN AT THIS MOMENT, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO 
          EXCHANGE THE USES. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, LET ME ASK THIS. 
          SO YOU WILL HAVE ABOUT 2 ACRES, A LITTLE UNDER 2 ACRES LESS OF BUILDINGS ON THE SITE IN THIS EXCHANGE. 
          REDUCING BY 79,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S ALMOST 2 ACRES OF. 
          WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT LAND? >> I AM NOT SURE. 
          OUR FLOOR RATIO FOR THIS WHOLE ENTIRE SITE IS ABOUT 10%. 
          SO UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHO THE USER IS AND WHEN THOSE COME IN, THE INCREMENTAL MAP WILL TELL US. 
          >> IS IT GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL? 
          >> THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL PUD, SIR. 
          WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO RESIDENTIAL HERE. 
          >> THIS WILL RESOLVE ALL THESE ENTITLEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN 
          APPROVED, THIS WAS THAT PROJECT? >> NO, SIR. 
          THIS IS A SEPARATE PUD, YES, SIR. 
          >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> IS THAT HIM? I THOUGHT THAT WAS HIM. ALL RIGHT, OKAY. 
          YES? OKAY. 
          SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, YOU ARE FREE -- 
          >> I'VE GOT PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I'M SORRY. 
          HOW ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY. 
          IF SO, COME FORWARD NOW. SEEING NONE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          >> THIS IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST ONE WE LOOKED AT. THE ROADS HAVE CAPACITY AND ARE NOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE I-95 WHERE AN ACCIDENT JAMS EVERYTHING UP. 
          SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD 2026-13 SHOPPES AT MILL CREEK FOREST AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF 
          REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, THERE IS OUR VOTING SCREENS. 
          [7. REZ 2026-08 St. Johns Commons Commercial.  Request to rezone approximately 9.16 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Commercial General (CG), located on the north side of County Road 210 West with direct access from Saint Johns Commons Road. ]
THANK YOU. THIS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. OUR NEXT AND FINAL ITEM, NUMBER 7, IT IS A REZONING, SAINT JOHN'S COMMON COMMERCIAL. 
          AND WE NEED EX PARTE ON THIS. >> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION 
          AND A SITE VISIT. >> MISS PERKINS? 
          >> I HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION OR TWO AT SOME POINT ABOUT THIS 
          APPLICATION. >> MR. LABANOWSKI? 
          >> I VISITED THE SITE AND ALSO WENT TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING ON SEPTEMBER THE 14TH WHERE I DISCUSSED THE PROJECT. 
          >> I ALSO DROVE BY THE SITE AND I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS INCLUDING TEXT MESSAGES, PHONE CALLS, EMAIL. 
          TRYING TO GET THE SAINT JOHN'S DISTRICT BOARD MEETING VIDEO TO PLAY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS, THANK YOU. 
          >> 1368, BIRMINGHAM ROAD SOUTH, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. 
          IN THIS CAPACITY, I AM ACTING AS AGENT FOR THE LAND OWNER. 
          BUT FULL DISCLOSURE, I ALSO CURRENTLY AM UNDER CONTRACT FOR PURCHASE FOR ME TO BE THE DEVELOPER AS WELL. 
          I HAVE NOT USED THE POINTER BEFORE. 
          >> I'M SURE YOU ARE UP TO IT. >> THERE WE GO, GREAT. 
          THIS SHOWS THE PROPERTY IN ITS ENTIRETY, 9.168 ACRES IN A COMMERCIAL NODE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET -- IT'S A COMMERCIAL NODE ALONG THE MAJOR ROADWAY. 
          WE ARE REQUESTING TO GO FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL, COMMERCIAL GENERAL IS COMPLEMENTARY IN THE LAND USE. 
          1.96 ACRES WITH ONLY 4.38 TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          THE REST WILL REMAIN IN CONSERVATION AND WILL BE CONSIDERED OPEN SPACE. THIS IS A GOOD SHOT OF THE AERIAL AND LOCATION MAP ON COUNTY ROAD 210. 
          YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LAND USE MAP IT IS SMACK IN THE MIDDLE, IT'S THE SAME ON THE OTHER SIDE AND FOR THE ZONING IT IS 
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COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY PUD, EXCEPT FOR THE CONSERVATION THAT IS TO THE REAR. SO BACK IN 2019, WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO DEVELOP ANOTHER SITE DOWN THE ROAD AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS SITE. THE NEIGHBORS CAME OUT AND DID NOT WANT THIS OTHER SITE DEDICATED AND ASKED IF WE WOULD PLEASE DEDICATE THIS LAND TO THEM, WHICH A AND S DID AT THAT TIME. IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 25 ACRES THAT WAS DONATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO IN EXCHANGE, THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE US SUPPORT LETTERS FOR THIS EXACT SITE. IT WAS SOUTHERN GROVE AND JOHNS GLEN, BOTH SIGNED AS THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENTS OF THE ASSOCIATIONS IN SUPPORT OF THIS SITE. 
          THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT YOU SEE IS WHAT WAS RELEASED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. AS YOU CAN SEE THEIR, IT IS A TOTAL OF 4.28 ACRES THAT WERE RELEASED AND WHAT WAS GIVEN IN EXCHANGE WAS -- THERE WE GO, 20.87 ACRES THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT PARCEL, IT WAS ALSO AN ADDITIONAL 5 ACRES OF EASEMENTS THAT TRAVERSED THROUGH THE TRUSS PIECE TO GET TO THIS PARCEL. 
          SO THIS WAS A PIECE THAT WAS A THORN IN THE SIDE WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO BURN AND DO MANAGEMENT. 
          SO THE WATER MANAGEMENT APPRECIATED THIS. 
          IN ADDITION, AN ENDOWMENT FEE FOR THE PERPETUITY OF MAINTENANCE ON THIS PROPERTY WAS DONATED BY ANS LAND IN THE AMOUNT OF $74,867.88. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PARCEL THAT WAS OF THE DONATION. YOU CAN SEE IT WAS A MIXTURE OF UPLANDS AND WETLANDS. AND AT THE BOARD MEETING IT RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. IT WAS THREE TIMES THE FUNCTIONAL GAIN THAT WAS RECEIVED AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF IT. THREE TIMES THE FUNCTIONAL GAIN OF WHAT WE GAVE THEM VERSUS WHAT THEY GAVE US, SO TO SPEAK. 
          THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE ADJOINING -- YOU CAN SEE THE ACCESS ROAD OF THE ADJOINING PUD THAT IS COMMERCIAL. 
          AND SO WE TUCKED RIGHT IN, IT IS A COMMERCIAL NODE AND THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS 40-FOOT MAXIMUM AND 70% MAXIMUM PER. 
          THIS IS OVERDRAWN ON THE AERIAL. WE HAVE TWO PONDS THERE TO BE SAFE, THERE WERE SOME THINGS IN THE FLOOD ZONE. 
          THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR MONTHS. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY GOT THAT BEING ENGINEERED AND BECAUSE OF COMPENSATORY STORAGE, WE ALREADY HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR THAT IN THE SITE PLAN THAT IS NECESSRY. WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RURAL TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY DONE WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT, WE ARE COMING HERE FOR REZONING. 
          AND WHAT WE KNOW IS WE ARE STILL NOT THROUGH WITH THE WETLANDS. 
          IF WE GET REZONED TODAY, WHEN WE MAKE AN APPLICATION TO IMPACT THOSE WETLANDS, WE STILL HAVE TO DO WETLAND MITIGATION FOR THE IMPACTS THEMSELVES. THAT IS IN ADDITION TO WHAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. DO WE HAVE THE VIDEO? JUST REAL QUICK, I WANTED TO SHOW THE BOARD DELIBERATIONS FROM THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY SAID ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? 
          YES, DOUG? >> TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE PREVIOUS ONE, EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THESE BOARD MEETINGS SINCE 1978, I HAVE ENCOURAGED THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO HORSE TRADE THE BEST HE OR SHE CAN TO INCREASE WHAT WE DO HAVE IN THE WAY OF PRESERVING OUR DISTRICT. 
          THE LAND BECOMES AVAILABLE, THE LAND THAT HAS FOREVER NOT BEEN AVAILABLE, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW BECAUSE OF DISEASE IS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN HORSE TRADE IT AND UP OUR GAME, SO TO SPEAK, AND INCREASE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE. 
          I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO DO THAT WITH LIMITED FUNDS AND AS FAST AS THIS STATE IS EXPLODING IN GROWTH, ANYWHERE WE CAN INCREASE IT, WE SHOULD. AND I THINK THAT THIS ACCOMPLISHES THAT. AND I THANK THE STAFF AND EVERY ONE OF THESE LOOKS TO THAT. AND I WILL SUPPORT THIS STAFF 100% AND MIKE'S LEADERSHIP AND I THINK THIS FOLLOWS THAT 
          FOOTPRINT VERY WELL. >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> I WOULD TAG ON TO HIS COMMENTS. 
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AND THIS DISTINCTION FOR ME WAS INCREASING THE ECOLOGICAL GAIN THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS 1I THINK THE STAFF SAID WAS THREE TIMES THE ECOLOGICAL GAIN. 
          SO I'M JUST EXPLAINING MY VOTE TO THOSE OUT THERE WATCHING FOR FUTURE APPLICANTS TO COME IN ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER? 
          >> AND YOU CAN TURN IT OFF, THEY WILL VOTE UNANIMOUS. 
          AND I DO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON HERE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC, HE HAS RUN A PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND CAN ADDRESS THAT. AND I ALSO BROUGHT JASON MILTON FROM BIOTECH TO TALK ABOUT ANY ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTIONS OR WETLAND QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          THIS HAS BEEN LOOKED AT EXTENSIVELY, WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THE BUGS AND BUNNIES REPORT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EAGLE'S NEST, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENDANGERED SPECIES, WE HAVE TREATED THIS LIKE A PUD EVEN THOUGH IT IS STRAIGHT ZONING AND WE HAVE BEEN SURE TO PUT ALL OF THESE REPORTS INTO THIS PACKAGE, 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE ARE ANY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC LEFT TO SPEAK. WITH NO ONE TO SPEAK, WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION, MOTION. 
          MISS PERKINS LIGHT WAS ON BEFORE YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2026-08, SAINT JOHN'S COMMONS COMMERCIAL 
          AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MISS PERKINS SECONDED. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, VOTE PLEASE. 
          [Staff Reports]
IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, STAFF REPORTS. I AM WORRIED ABOUT THAT MEETING WITH 15 ITEMS ON IT, TO TELL YOU, JACOB. 
          >> I THINK IT WILL BE FUN, SIR. [LAUGHS] 
          >> ARE THEY ALL SWIMMING POOLS? >> THERE IS SEVERAL COMBINED ITEMS. COMPANION ITEMS. NOT QUITE AS MANY AS 15 IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. 
          I WANTED TO GO OVER A FEW THINGS. 
          IF BOARD MEMBERS ARE NOT AWARE, ONE OF THE CURRENT SITTING BOARD MEMBERS LAST MEETING IS ON OCTOBER 15TH. 
          >> IT IS GOING TO BE A SHAME. >> I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT AND WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT ON THAT 15TH APPLICATION -- FOR THAT MEETING, WILL BE CONSIDERING PZA APPLICANTS. SO MR. MATOVINA WILL HAVE INPUT ON POTENTIALLY WHO REPLACES HIM. THAT BEING SAID, I WILL GIVE YOU ALL OF THOSE AHEAD OF TIME PRIOR TO PUBLISHING THE AGENDA. 
          THERE IS NEARLY 20 OF THEM. JUST BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR WHERE THAT WILL COME OUT TO YOU RAPIDLY AND YOU WILL HAVE IT BEFORE THE AGENDA. THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF THEM. 
          >> THAT IS ONE OF OUR ITEMS. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT EARLIER THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN, QUITE EARLIER, WHO WAS AN APPLICANT WHO MENTIONED THAT HE HAD ATTEMPTED TO BE SCAMMED OUT OF LOTS OF MONEY TO GET APPROVALS FOR HIS ZONING CHANGE OR VARIANCE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS AT THIS POINT. I JUST WANT THIS BOARD AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM THAT OUR APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN FACED WITH. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO TRY TO LIMIT ACCESS TO THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED WE DON'T PUBLIC -- PUBLISH THEIR APPLICATIONS OR THEIR NAMES OR EMAIL ADDRESSES OR PHONE NUMBERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND THE PACKETS ANY MORE. 
          IT CONTINUES TO GO ON, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT STAFF IS AWARE OF IT. 
          I BELIEVE I HAVE MENTIONED IT TO THE BOARD BEFORE. 
          BUT IT CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE. IF YOU EVER HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH AN APPLICANT AND THEY ASK YOU ANYTHING LIKE THEY ASKED MISS SPIEGEL, WE DO NOT ASK FOR MONEY FOR APPROVALS, POST OR PRE, WE ONLY CHARGE A FILING APPLICATION FEE, WHICH THEY WILL NEVER BE CHARGED THAT AFTER THE FACT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. MATOVINA HAS HIS LIGHT ON, I 
          NEED TO RECOGNIZE HIM. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE TWO COMMENTS. ONE, JACOB, I ASSUME BEGINNING JANUARY FIRST, WE WON'T BE VOTING -- I. WON'T BE HERE. 
          THEY WON'T BE VOTING ON ITEMS LIKE NUMBER 1 TODAY, I ASSUME. 
          [03:15:05]
          >> THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. IN FACT YOU WILL PROBABLY STOP VOTING ON THEM AHEAD OF TIME. ULTIMATELY, -- FRESH APPLICATIONS WILL PRETTY MUCH BE TURNED BACK BECAUSE THEY WILL START BEING SCHEDULED IN JANUARY AND SO THERE WILL BE NO POINT IN DOING THAT. UNFORTUNATELY WE WILL HAVE TO HOLD UNTIL OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GETS UPDATED FOR IT. 
          BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, WE WILL NOT BE SEEING MOBILE HOME SPECIAL 
          USE APPLICATIONS ANY MORE. >> AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THOSE ARE? I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN WE CONTINUE THAT ITEM, WE SAID WE WOULDN'T ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT. 
          I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING WE OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC INPUT, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE APPLICANT BRINGS FORWARD NEW INFORMATION, I DON'T KNOW, I KIND OF FEEL BAD ALLOWING PUBLIC INPUT ON THE EXTENT THEY BRING FORWARD NEW INFORMATION. 
          I DON'T MEAN DELETING USES SO MUCH, I DON'T CONSIDER THAT, HE'S JUST GOING TO MEMORIALIZE WHAT THEY SET UP THERE AND SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO. BUT IF THERE'S NEW INFORMATION 
          ABOUT THOSE INTERSECTIONS,. >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT? 
          >> MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO KIND OF FEED INTO WHAT GREG'S INTUITIONS ARE HERE, IF THERE IS REALLY SOMETHING NEW, I THINK YOU SHOULD OPEN IT UP. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT, IF HE SAID WHAT IT WAS GOING TO DO, THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE INTERSECTIONS AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS VERY NEW TO YOU, IT WOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF THEY HAD GONE BACK IN THE ROOM AND HASHED SOMETHING OUT AND GIVEN THEM A COMPUTER AND THEY HAD COME OUT 30 MINUTES LATER AND BROUGHT SOMETHING BACK OUT TO YOU AGAIN. 
          AT THAT POINT THEY WOULD REOPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YOU ALWAYS CAN, IF SOMETHING IS THAT STRANGE. 
          BUT FOR THE MOST PART AND WAIT AROUND FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU GET A GOOD FEELING FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IF YOU START REOPENING IT UP ALL THE TIME, THERE IS NO END TO IT. 
          IF YOU THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS MATERIAL, YOU SHOULD. 
          >> THEN I SAY WE CHECK THE TEMPERATURE OF THE BOARD AT THAT TIME.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.