[1. SUPMAJ 2026-14 NFS Ranch. A request for a Special Use Permit to allow for an Event Venue and unpaved parking meeting the General Special Use Criteria of Land Development Code Section 2.03.01.A and Land Development Code 2.03.15.D; specifically located at 5381 Don Manuel Road.]

US HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1 WHICH IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR NSF RANCH AND RYAN LEROY IS THE PRESENTER. WE NEED TO TAKE A SAID

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I VISITED THE SITE BUT I DID NOT GO DOWN THE DRIVEWAY AND I HAVE ONE EMAIL.

>> MR. OLSON. >> THE ONLY X PARTY I HAVE TO REPORT IS THE LETTER THAT WE HAVE ON OUR DESK TODAY.

>> MISS SPIEGEL. >> I DID A SITE VISIT AND I DID GO DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. LEROY AND A FRIEND WITH ME IN THE SITE VISIT SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE SITE AND WE DID RECEIVE THAT SAME LETTER AND

EMAIL. >> I HAVE THE AFOREMENTIONED EMAIL. I ALSO HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES UP RIGHT NEAR THE SITE AND INDIVIDUAL NAMED VAUGHN COCHRAN.

HE'S ONE OF THE OWNERS OF BLACKFLY RESTAURANT IN TOWN AND A GREAT ARTIST. HE LIVES OUT THERE AND HAS A STUDIO. SO I SPOKE WITH HIM ABOUT THE ITEM. HE WAS, I WON'T TELL YOU WHAT HE SAID. MR. GREEN.

I WILL SAY HE LIKES YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU AS AN OWNER.

HE SAID HE'S BEEN ON THE SITE AND YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD

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NEIGHBOR. ALL RIGHT.

FLOOR IS YOURS. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY MY NAME IS RYAN LEROY. THIS IS MY BUSINESS PARTNER MICHAEL AND TOGETHER WE OWN NSF RANCH LOCATED AT 5381 DON MANUEL ROAD IN ELKTON FLORIDA. WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR THE ASK OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO BE ABLE OUR PROPERTY.

BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT IF I COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK VERY BRIEF MOMENTS OF YOUR TIME TO GO THROUGH A POWERPOINT AND SHOW YOU A COUPLE PICTURES THAT'S NOT IN YOUR REPORT TO BETTER TELL YOU GUYS AND SHOW YOU GUYS WHO WE ARE AND WHAT IT IS WE ACTUALLY DO I THINK IT WILL SET THE NARRATIVE FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SO JUST BRIEFLY.

SO NFS RANCH IS A PRIVATE 40-ACRE RANCH FOR PROFESSIONAL RECORDING ARTISTS AND BIG ARTISTS WHO WANT PRIVACY.

YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW THEY ARE IN TOWN.

ALONG WITH LOCAL AND REGIONAL ACTS AS WELL AS SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES, PRIMARILY UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH THEIR JAZZ DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING AND SPEAKING OF REAL QUICK MICA IS UNF ALUMNI.

JUST RECENTLY GOT ACCEPTED TO BE A PROFESSOR AND TEACH A COUPLE DAYS A WEEK. NOT ONLY WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THE JAZZ PROGRAM TO LET THE STUDENTS COME AND GET REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE TO LET THEM GO. WE WILL TRY TO INCLUDE MORE OF THE MUSIC PROGRAMS. SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT IS WE DO THIS IS A LIFE'S WORK OF -- OR LIFE'S WORTH WORK OF COLLECTING GEAR. YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT A SMALL LITTLE PRODUCTION FACILITY. BIG BOY TOYS AS YOU WOULD SAY.

SO A LOT OF STUFF AND IS THIS WORKING CAN WE SO BIG WOOD CABIN AND ALL KIND OF STUFF THAT WE DO IN THERE.

WHAT A NICE POOL AND SUMMER KITCHEN IN THE BACK FOR THE ARTISTS TO COME OUT AND RELAX. SO WHAT WE REALLY DO IS GET THE BIG ARTISTS, WE TELL THEIR FAMILIES TO GO OVER TO THE BEACH AND MAKE IT A FAMILY VACATION SO WHEN THE ARTISTS GET OFF THE ROAD THE LAST PLACE THEY WANT TO GO IS BACK TO A BIG CITY WE TRY TO PROVIDE RELAXATION FOR THEM AND SAY GO HAVE A FAMILY VACATION AT THE BEACH FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

COME OVER AND RECORD A COUPLE OF DAYS CAN'T GO OVER WITH YOUR FAMILY. BRING THE KIDS OVER HERE.

FISH IN THE PONDS. DO THE STUFF.

THAT IS THE INITIAL IDEA. AND SO ALL THIS HAVING THAT AND I'M GETTING TO IT. WE HAVE A COMPANY CALLED NFS PRODUCTIONS AS WELL. WHAT WE ARE IS ALONGSIDE THE STUDIO IS A MOBILE AUDIO VIDEO AND LIGHTING COMPANY THAT GOES OUT AND DOES LOCAL FESTIVALS ON LOCATION RECORDINGS.

THANKS OF THAT NATURE. SO WE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO STARTED BUILDING THIS VENUE FOR STORAGE OF THE GEAR AROUND THE BACK SIDE AND IT'S 40 ACRES SO WE HAVE TRACTORS AND LAWN MOWERS SO WE NEEDED SPACE. SO WE BUILT THE STAGE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PRODUCTION SIDE OF THINGS SO THIS DAY AND AGE WE HAVE DIGITAL EVERYTHING AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS SO GOOD WITH OUR EQUIPMENT THAT LONG STORY SHORT WHEN THE CLIENTS CALL WE CAN DO 90% OF THE WORK SO WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE FIELD AND DEPLOY WE DON'T NEED 30 PEOPLE FOR A FESTIVAL.

I NEED EIGHT. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE WORK DONE AHEAD OF TIME. SO THE REASON IS WHY WE BUILT THE VENUE. ALSO THERE'S THE PRODUCTION SIDE OF THINGS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT SO WE CAN DO SET ALL THAT UP AND AGAIN GO TO DEPLOY AT NIGHT.

OUT OF ORDER SO I APOLOGIZE. IT'S A MAP OF WHAT WE ARE GETTING HERE SO WE REDID REMODELED DILAPIDATED DOCK WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT THE PROPERTY SO THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE DOCK WE REDID. AND WHEN WE GO BACK REAL QUICK TO THE BAR AREA. SO THE REASON WE ADDED THAT IS ONCE A YEAR WE HAVE A PRIVATE INVITE FRIENDS FAMILY NEIGHBORS THAT WE DO KNOW SUPER BOWL PARTY FOR FAMILIES KIDS BOUNCE HOUSE SMALL STATION FOR THE KIDS. CATERED BARBEQUE.

AT ONE TIME OF YEAR TO SAY LET'S ALL GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A VERY FUN SUPER BOWL PARTY FOR A FEW HOURS.

SO THAT IS THE REASON WE BUILT THE BAR AREA TO JUST HAVE A PLACE FOR DRINKS AND FOOD AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF SO THAT LEADS ME INTO WHY WE BUILT THE VENUE.

SO NOW THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE MINUTES TO DO THAT AND EXPLAIN AGAIN WHAT WE REALLY DO. WE MOCKED UP A COUPLE OF TABLES

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AND CHAIRS AND FURNITURE TO SHOW YOU WE ARE HERE FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A HANDFUL OF WEDDINGS ENGAGEMENT PARTIES COMPANY CHRISTMAS PARTIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, A HANDFUL OF TIMES DURING THE YEAR ON OUR PROPERTY.

SO THERE WILL BE CERTAIN MONTHS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING ON BECAUSE IT'S HURRICANE SEASON AND NO ONE IS GETTING MARRIED OR HAVING A CHARITY EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND AGAIN DURING APRIL WHEN EVERYBODY WANTS TO WE MIGHT HAVE ONE OR TWO OR COMPANY CHRISTMAS PARTY IS IN DECEMBER SO WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW EXTRA BUT WE ARE HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR THAT AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND LETTING ME KIND OF EXPLAIN AGAIN WHAT IT IS WE DO. I HAVE A, EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN YOUR REPORTS HOW CAN THEY THINK WE ARE READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION. ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE TO ASK PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEM MEMBERS?

CHARLES LABANOWSKI. >> YOU HAD A SLIDE UP THERE THAT SHOWED THE BUILDING ITSELF FROM AN OVERHEAD.

NOT THAT ONE. YEAH, THAT ONE.

YOU HAVE NO PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR HANDICAPPED PARKING OTHER THAN

THE OUTER LOT. >> NO, SIR.

SO THE HOUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE UP LIKE THIS THE DRIVEWAY DOES THAT. AND EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY IS EITHER PAVED OR ABA ACCESSIBLE EVERYWHERE.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE UNPAID.

IF I GO TO THIS CALCULATOR WE GO.

AND DURING CORONA THIS IS A COMPACT PARKING LOT WITH IF WE GET THE PERMIT NEEDED TO EXPAND WE HAVE ALL THIS RIGHT HERE TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE IN SIZE BUT WITH THIS BEING DONE DON MANUEL ROAD IT IS PAVED ALL THE WAY DOWN SO IF ANYBODY NEEDING CAN EITHER GO LIKE I SAID THE ROAD SPLITS YOU CAN DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN, DROP SOMEBODY OFF. DRIVE THE CAR AND WALK BACK.

BUT THEN COME BACK AND PICK ANYBODY UP THAT NEEDS HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

EVERYTHING IS PAVED EVERYWHERE. SO THIS MIGHT SHOW A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO IF YOU ARE COMING DOWN THE ROAD PAVED ASPHALT ROAD YOU CAN STOP HERE AND ANYBODY OFF AND THERE'S ACCESS EVERYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.

EVERYWHERE WITH THE CORRECT SLOPES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

AGAIN BECAUSE OF MICAH. >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IF YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY COUPLE THAT'S 600 SOME FEET FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE VENUE IS A LONG WAY FOR THEM TO GO.

AND IS THERE ANY CHANCE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SET UP A PARKING LOT

FOR MAYBE HALF A DOZEN VEHICLES? >> THEY CAN DRIVE THE CAR

STRAIGHT UP TO THE VENUE. >> BUT THEY CAN THEY LEAVE THE

CAR THERE? >> SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THE CAR UP HERE BUT WE DO AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HAVE TONS OF PARKING. SO TECHNICALLY YOU CAN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YOU CAN DROP OFF RIGHT HERE THERE'S A RAMP RIGHT HERE AND IF NEED BE FOR A SPECIAL OCCASION OR SPECIAL PERSON OF THAT CAN COME THROUGH THE HOUSE AND WHEEL IN A WHEELCHAIR STRAIGHT TO THE VENUE AND THE CAR IS PARKED IN A DESIGNATED PLACE THAT IS NOT PARKING FOR THE MAJORITY OF

GUESTS WHEN THEY FIRST COME IN. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE A COUPLE SPOTS WHERE WE STORE LIKE WE HAVE TRAILERS BUT WE CAN MOVE IT OUT TO HAVE FOR CARS NEED TO PARK UP RIGHT UP THERE AT THE HOUSE OR SIX WE HAVE THE ROOM FOR THAT.

MOST DEFINITELY. >> IF YOU COULD SET SOMETHING UP A SIGN OR SOMETHING ELSE AT THE MAIN PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE GREAT THANK YOU. MR. GREEN.

>> I HAVE COMMENTS BUT I WANT TO WAIT TILL AFTER PUBLIC INPUT.

>> ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS CAN WE.

>> I WANTED TO REFERENCE A LETTER THAT SOMEBODY WROTE US AN EMAIL BUT I'M GOING TO DO THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S A WOMAN THAT HAD SOME VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS ABOUT PUTTING SOME KINDS OF LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON

IT THAT SEEM REASONABLE TO ME. >> IT SEEMED OR DIDN'T?

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>> THEY SEEM REASONABLE TO ME BUT THAT'S JUST ME BUT I WILL BRING THOSE UP LATER BUT I THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITEM PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR BUT I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW AND HAVE A CHANCE AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

>> SOUNDS GREAT. >> ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS? COME ON DOWN. LET US HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

>> BOULEVARD 5330 DON MANUEL ROAD.

WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM INEZ RANCH.

WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR LAND IN 2023 WE WERE LOOKING FOR A QUIET TRANQUIL PLACE IN THE COUNTRY TO SETTLE DOWN AND START A FAMILY. I HAVE EQUINE ATHLETES AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR LEANNE. WE WANTED A PLACE THAT WAS CALM AND QUIET AWAY FROM THE NOISE SO THEY COULD RELAX WHEN NOT TRAVELING DOWN THE ROAD. SORRY I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.

>> DON'T BE NERVOUS. WE ARE MORE NERVOUS THAN YOU ARE. SO JUST RELAX.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. >> WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF NFS RANCH BEING ALLOWED TO HOST EVENTS WE'VE HAD EXPERIENCE LIVING HERE ATHLETICS COLLEGE.

WE HAD WOODS THAT SEPARATED US WHEN EVENTS WERE HELD.

WE COULD HEAR THEM LOUD AND CLEAR PURE THERE WAS LIGHT POLLUTION THROUGH OUR BEDROOM WINDOW AT NIGHT AND THE TRAFFIC NEAR OUR HOME DURING EVENTS WAS AMPLIFIED.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH NFS RANCH.

WE BOUGHT OUR HOME SPECIFICALLY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO AVOID BEING IN THAT SITUATION AGAIN. DON MANUEL IS A SMALL TWO-LANE ROAD THAT'S THE COUNTY MINIMUM. WE HAVE NO SHOULDERS OR SIDEWALKS. MY HUSBAND AND I ENJOY WALKING A ROAD BUT WE ALREADY MUST BE SO CAUTIOUS WHEN WALKING THAT WE FEAR IF THIS PASSES WE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO WALK IN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD OUT OF FEAR OF BEING HIT FROM INCREASED TRAFFIC. ANOTHER CONCERN WE HAVE IS ALCOHOL BEING SERVED AT THESE EVENTS WE ARE FEARFUL DRUNK DRIVERS ON A ROAD. WE HAVE DEEP DITCHES AND NO SHOULDER TO AVOID ANYONE WHO COULD BE RECKLESSLY DRIVING PURE WE'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED HOW LOUD PARTIES CAN BE AT NFS RANCH IN THE PAST AND A MAJOR CONCERN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF PERMITTING IS GRANTED. IF THE PARTIES WERE ALREADY LOUD AND NEIGHBORS POLICE COMPLAINTS WE CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MUCH WORSE IT WILL BE WITH US GETTING APPROVED.

SOUND ORDINANCES EXIST BUT WHO WILL ENSURE THEY ARE BEING FOLLOWED? BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED WE DON'T SEE THE SOUND ORDINANCES BEING FOLLOWED HERE ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF COUNTRY LIVING IS SITTING OUTSIDE IN THE EVENING ON A PORCH LISTENING TO NATURE.

WE DON'T WANT LIGHT POLLUTION FROM THE EVENT TO CLOUD UP THE SKIES AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE ENJOYING THE OUTDOORS AND THE EVENING AT PEACE. AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY OUR EQUINE ATHLETES AND MANY NEIGHBORS AROUND US HAVE LIVESTOCK AND WE DON'T WANT THE ANIMALS NOT BEING ABLE TO REST BECAUSE OF THE NOISE AND THE LIGHT.

WE SEE ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT FOR OURSELVES AND OUR NEIGHBORS FOR NSF RANCH BEING APPROVED TO HOLD EVENTS.

MR. LEROY DOES NOT RESIDE AT THE PROPERTY.

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH CHANGES THAT THE REST OF US WILL PICK AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS IS WHERE WE CALL HOME.

IS OUR REFUGE FROM THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF LIFE.

WE CHOSE THIS AREA BECAUSE IT WAS RESIDENTIAL AND AWAY FROM THE NOISE. NOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER. COME ON UP THIS IS MY HUSBAND MATT. WE LIVE AT 6105 SOLANA STREET.

WE ARE 0.7 MILES FROM NSF RANCH. SUPER BOWL PARTY IS WELL HEARD AT MY HOUSE. 0.7 MILES AWAY.

I DO UNDERSTAND IF I LOOKED AT HIS PLACEMENT THAT IS TO THE BACK OF THEIR VENUE. THEY FACE AWAY FROM OUR HOUSE.

WE ALSO HAVE EQUINE ATHLETES AT OUR PLACE.

WE DO NOT RIDE ANY OF THESE WHICH WE ARE HORSE EQUINE AGRICULTURAL AND MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO RIDE DOWN THE ROADS WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC THERE'S NO WAY THAT ANYONE WILL GO DOWN. THERE IS NO SHOULDERS ON OUR ROAD. THERE'S ALSO CHILDREN THAT COME DOWN THOSE ROADS AND THERE'S NOWHERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO GO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK CAN WE COME ON DOWN.

OR UP. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO

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SPEAK TO. APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING KEEPING OUR COUNTY THE WAY IT NEEDS TO OPERATE EFFICIENTLY AND

EFFECTIVELY. >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> CRAIG LAMOND I. LIVE ON DON MANUEL 5350. I'M RIGHT NEXT TO THESE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS NSF VENUE.

I'VE GOT TWO ISSUES PRIMARILY DEALING WITH THE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET.

NUMBER 1 IS THE ROADS THESE ROADS, DON MANUEL WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC AT ALL.

YOU'VE GOT 4-FOOT DITCHES WHERE ONE DRIVER THAT IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION COULD ACTUALLY FLIP THE CAR IN A LOT OF THE AREAS ALONG THIS ROAD. THE OTHER THING IS THE CLOSENESS, THE NOISE LEVELS OF THIS VENUE TO WHERE WE LIVE, I ALREADY HEAR PLENTY OF NOISE FROM THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS. THIS VENUE IS EVEN CLOSER.

AS A MATTER OF FACT IT'S 300 YARDS CLOSER TO MY HOUSE THAN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS.

THIS VENUE LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING THEIR PRODUCTIONS OR THEIR OPERATIONS WITH VENUES, NOISE MUSIC AND THAT TYPE OF THING ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS THAN EVEN THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS. I JUST FEEL LIKE THE NOISE LEVELS THAT WE ARE ALREADY GETTING THERE IS EXCESSIVE.

THIS IS JUST A PASTORAL ROYAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN USING IT FOR ALL THESE YEARS. NOTHING AGAINST MR. RYAN.

I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO HIM ABOUT THIS AT ALL BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE MY VIEW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. SEEING NONE TO YOUR CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL ANY ADDITIONAL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO US CAN WE?

>> I HEAR ALL THE CONCERNS. IF I WASN'T A PART OF NFS I. WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THEY ARE UNDER THE WRONG MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW GOING TO GO FROM OUR LIFE'S WORK OF WHAT WE DO TO NOW BE THE NEXT AMPHITHEATER OR HOUSE OF BLUES OR SOMETHING WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OR LET ME REPHRASE.

I THINK THEY THINK THAT IN ALL DUE RESPECT THAT IN MY OPINION WE ARE GOING TO BE THE NEXT TRINGALI BARTON U.S. ONE WHERE IT'S FOUR EVENTS A WEEK EVERY WEEK PEER IT'S JUST BLARING AND ALL KINDS OF NAMES AND ALL THESE CRAZY PARTIES AND ALL THESE THINGS PURE OR LIKE MOLASSES JUNCTION PURE KELLY FARMS THAT DO MULTIPLE EVENTS EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE INTEND TO DO WHATSOEVER WE ARE NEVER GIVING UP OUR DREAM, AND THE WORK FROM A CHILD TO WHERE WE ARE AT AND WHAT WE DO TO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOME WEDDING VENUE COORDINATORS. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING.

WE ARE ASKING FOR A HANDFUL OF EVENTS LITERALLY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO HELP SUPPLEMENT A LITTLE BIT OF INCOME TO HELP PAY THE BILLS, TO HELP US STILL DO STUFF WITH SCHOOLS AND THE UNIVERSITIES AND THE BIG ARTISTS.

THEY LOVE COMING TO ST. JOHNS. AND THIS WILL INEVITABLY HELP US. I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU REAL QUICK I KIND OF GOT THIS ONE WITH SOME FOOTAGE.

THE GENTLEMAN I'M SORRY I FORGOT HIS NAME.

BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT. LITERALLY RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD IS THE FAIRGROUNDS AND EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND THE FAIRGROUNDS HAS SOMETHING GOING ON. WHETHER A FESTIVAL, HORSE RODEO, DOG SHOW, WHATEVER IT IS. AND WE CAN HEAR THEM BLASTING CRAZY STUFF EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND.

WE ARE ASKING FOR A HANDFUL OF EVENTS THAT IS SPECIFIC FOR WEDDINGS, ENGAGEMENT PARTIES, CHARITY EVENTS, COMPANY CHRISTMAS PARTIES, A HANDFUL. NOT 100 A YEAR.

AND SO WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 50 CARS EVENTUALLY OR PRACTICALLY FOR 100 PERSON WEDDING ONCE A MONTH COMING DOWN A PUBLIC ROAD LITERALLY COMING DOWN DRIVING IN OUR DRIVEWAY. PARKING ENJOYING A FEW HOURS

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COMING BACK TO THEIR CAR AND DRIVING AWAY.

50 CARS DOWN A PUBLIC PAVED ROAD.

NOT 3000 CARS, FOUR TIMES A WEEK.

CAUSING CHAOS. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MIGHT AS WELL STAND UP IN CASE THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS. MR. GREEN.

MR. CHAIR DO YOU WANT TO READ THAT IN CAN WE PROBABLY SOME OF WHAT I'VE GOT AND I'M JUST GOING TO RUN DOWN THE LIST.

CONCERTS, NO TICKETED EVENTS IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

A FEW TIMES. WHAT'S A FEW.

ARE YOU WILLING TO PUT A LIMIT ON IT CAN WE MAXIMUM ATTENDANCE LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE DESIGNATED PARKING WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

SAME THING WITH YOUR RESTROOMS. DO YOU HAVE ADA APPROVED RESTROOMS CAN WE THIS IS ALL GOING TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY.

SEPTIC TANK. PORTABLE WATER OR UTILITIES.

CAN YOU SERVE THAT TO THE PUBLIC.

THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS AND WILL BE SOME OF THE COUNTY'S CONCERN. FIRE AND RESCUE IF YOU SORT OF TALK TO THEM ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

BUT IT COULD GET OUT OF HAND. BUT BEFORE I SUPPORT IT I WANT SOME ASSURANCES. SOME OF THESE THINGS AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. BECAUSE I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS. WANT TO PROTECT THEM.

PROTECT YOU. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SORT OF WHAT'S IN THAT LETTER. THIS IS THE LETTER THAT WAS ON PAGE 44 OF OUR PACKET. IT WAS THE VERY LAST ITEM IN THE PACKET. AND THE PERSON SAID THEY WERE NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS. BUT THEIR PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT THESE REPRESENTATIONS NEED TO BECOME SPECIFIC ENFORCEABLE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RATHER THAN ESTIMATES THAT COULD LATER CHANGE. FOR EXAMPLE JUST OFFHAND THIS ISN'T IN THIS LETTER BUT HE MENTIONED TRINGALI BARN ON U.S.

ONE SOUTH OF 206. WHAT IF YOUR EVENT BECAME THAT POPULAR AND YOU DID HAVE REQUESTS FOUR WEDDING EVENTS A

WEEK? >> CAN I ANSWER?

>> YES. >> IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT WE DO. THAT'S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO I UNDERSTAND THE LIMIT PURE CAN ANSWER MR. GREEN'S QUESTION REALLY QUICK ABOUT THE BATHROOM SITUATION SO WE HAVE SOMETHING WORKED OUT IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED WITH THE LOVELY LOO. SO THERE'S, IT'S AS EASY AS IT GETS ANY EVENT NO MATTER IF IT'S PG A OR A SMALL LITTLE FAIR HOOK UP ADA AS WELL. THE TRAILER THE DAY BEFORE.

THEY COME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.

IT'S A TRAILER IN AND TRAILER OUT.

WHOLE 9 YARDS. THAT'S TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND YES THE ONES WITH THE ADA ACCESSIBLE ON IT AGAIN FOR MICAH. AND TO GO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHAT'S A HANDFUL AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

I THINK WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO MAYBE PUT SOMETHING OF A LIMIT OF HOW MANY EVENTS. I COULDN'T TELL YOU I. THINK IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE IN OUR OPINION TO CAP THE EVENTS IN A SMALL NUMBER BECAUSE LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE MICAH IS A, IF THEY SAID YOU EVER HAD A PERMIT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A COMPANY CHRISTMAS PARTY. IF YOU CAP US AND WE START DOING A COUPLE OF EVENTS IN THE BEGINNING AND WEDDING SEASON APRIL AND MAY AND WHATEVER WHENEVER ONE WANTS TO GET MARRIED. DO WE HAVE TO SAY WE'VE ALREADY HIT OUR LIMIT OF ONE A MONTH? SO WE HAVE TO SAY NO TO THESE PEOPLE NOW AND HOPE WE GET CHRISTMAS PARTIES.

THAT SEEMS A LITTLE UNREASONABLE TO US IN THAT ASPECT.

NOW CAPPING IT AT 100 EVENTS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN BUT IF YOU WANT TO SEE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE OR TWO A MONTH WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. BECAUSE IT WOULD FIT WHAT WE

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WERE TRYING TO DO AND STILL AGAIN PROVE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE DISTRACTED FROM WHAT IT IS WE DO FOR A LIVING.

>> YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER POTENTIALLY 12 EVENTS ONCE A MONTH, 50 CARS, 100 PEOPLE PER I'LL HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS NOT OPPOSED TO THIS INITIALLY BUT WANTED TO HEAR WHAT NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE TO SAY BUT WHEN NEIGHBORS ARE AGAINST IT THEY COMPLAIN, THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT I AM CONCERNED.

SO IF NO ONE HAD SPOKEN AGAINST IT I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REASONABLY EASY SELL WITH SOME LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS PUT

ON IT. >> THE NOISE COMPLAINT HAS BEEN THE ONE EVENT. SUPER BOWL.

THAT'S ALL WE'VE HAD. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND A DEAR FRIEND OF OUR PAST AND WE HAD A CELEBRATION OF LIFE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. BUT THAT'S IT.

IF WE DO ANYTHING WITH PRODUCTION TO GET READY IT'S DURING THE DAYTIME. IT'S IN LEGAL SOUND ORDINANCE.

ANYBODY AS FAR AS I KNOW WITH REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS SOUND ORDINANCE UP TO 10:00 P.M. AT NIGHT DURING THE DAY AND 11 ON THE WEEKENDS.

SO IF WE ARE DONE WELL AHEAD OF TIME I DON'T SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE SOUND. IF IT'S SHUT OFF IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME OF ORDINANCE FOR ONE OR MAYBE TWO EVENTS IN PEAK SEASON A MONTH. IT'S NOT A THOUSAND CARS COMING IN AND SINCE IT'S 40 ACRES, HOW BIG THE PROPERTY IS, YOU CAN'T SEE AGAIN, THE EVENT IS HERE PURE THIS IS ALMOST FOUR FOOTBALL FIELDS JUST TO GIVE YOU A REFERENCE.

YOU CANNOT SEE IN. SO VISUALLY WE CAN'T BOTHER ANYBODY. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE INTO OUR PARKING LOT. SO VISUALLY WE ARE NOT BOTHERING ANYBODY ESPECIALLY IN OUR OPINION ONE TIME A MONTH PURE IF SOUND ORDINANCES FOR EVERYBODY IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS TO FOLLOW THAT NO MATTER EVEN HOA AND HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR MY SON IN MY BACKYARD, WE ARE UNDER THE SAME GUIDELINES AS FAR AS I KNOW SO SOUND CAN'T BE THE ISSUE SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE TRAFFIC PURE AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING BUT IN OUR OPINIONS WE TRULY FEEL AN EXTRA 50, 60 WHATEVER THE COUNT IS FOR THE WEDDING CARS COMING IN SING A COUPLE OF HOURS AND LEAVING IT'S JUST NOT AS BAD AS MADE OUT TO SOUND. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT BETTER. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND.

>> WE DON'T SEE IT IN QUITE AS MUCH OF A NEGATIVE LIGHT.

THE POSSIBILITY SEEMS YOU COULD SEE THE POSSIBILITY OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE UNDERSTAND OUR BUSINESS HOW WE WANT TO CONDUCT THINGS. WE ARE VERY NON-DRAMA.

ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS COME UP TO US WE TALK TO THEM AND WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF NEIGHBORS COME OVER TO EVENTS.

WE ARE OPEN TO ANY DISCUSSION AND WE'LL LISTEN TO ANYONE.

VERY ANTIDRAMA AND VERY MUCH RESPECT.

MY FATHER RAISED ME RIGHT AND SO DID MY MOTHER.

SO WE ARE UNDERSTANDING OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE DO NOT DISCOUNT HOW THEY FEEL. BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY WE PUT OUR STUDIO OUT IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE PEOPLE WHEN THEY RECORD DON'T WANT LOUD NOISES. WE WANT IT TO BE QUIET PURE OCCASIONALLY WHEN THERE'S A SUPER BOWL PARTY OR THERE'S A WEDDING EVEN WITH A WEDDING THAT'S NOT A CONCERT.

THAT'S A WEDDING. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE SUBDUED. IT'S NOT LIKE THE AMPHITHEATER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BASICALLY MUSIC IS HARD TO DO AND WE WANT TO JUST PAY FOR MUSIC WITH LOVE PURE WEDDINGS SUPPORT AND MINOR THINGS HELP US SUPPORT DOING THE MUSIC WE LOVE AND HELP OUR COMMUNITY LIKE UNF AND OTHER MUSICAL COMMUNITIES ARE ASPECTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S ALL WE ARE ABOUT. >> OKAY WITH THAT BEING SAID DID YOU ALL GO OUT AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AROUND YOU IMMEDIATELY

CAN WE. >> DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET P.J. AND BASICALLY THE BACK WHERE ALL THE HORSES ARE IS ALI SMITH. SHE I. THINK HER AND HER FAMILY OWN IT KIND OF WRAPS AROUND THE WHOLE LIKE A BIG ALLEN SHE HAS A TON OF HORSES. BEEN GREAT NEIGHBORS WITH THEM.

THEY COME TO OUR SUPER BOWL PARTIES.

THEY LOVE IT. THEY BRING THEIR FAMILIES OVER

AND WE HAVE A GREAT TIME. >> I THINK I WILL CALL ON OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE I MENTION THESE POTENTIAL RESTRICTIONS BUT

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HENRY HAS MENTIONED A COUPLE. MISS SPIEGEL.

>> ONE THING JUST TO CLARIFY. THE PURPOSE OF THIS STAGE AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE NOW IS SO THAT YOU CAN SET UP SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PERFORMED ELSEWHERE.

IT'S NOT ACTUALLY BEING PERFORMED HERE YOU'RE NOT HAVING MUSICIANS. YOU'RE DOING LIGHT AND SOUND

CHECK IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL WHY WE

BUILT THE VENUE. >> I'M CLARIFYING THE NOISE.

>> IF THE WEDDING HAPPENS AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE A BAND OR A D.J. THAT IS WHERE THEY WOULD PLAY.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, YOUR ORIGINAL INTENT FOR WHY YOU BUILT THIS AND WHAT'S THERE NOW.

AND YOU SAID THIS IS OUR STAGING AREA.

WE GET THINGS READY AND TAKE IT TO ANOTHER PLACE.

YOU'RE NOT PREPARING A SHOW AND GIVING A SHOW.

YOU'RE PREPARING A SHOW AND THE SHOW IS GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> YES, MA'AM,. >> THAT'S OUR PRODUCTION SO THIS IS A SEPARATE. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU HAVE A BUSINESS YOU LOVE AND YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH AND YOU ARE UTILIZING A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY TO DO SOME SOCIAL EVENTS IF YOU GOT THIS PERMIT PERHAPS IT WOULD CURTAIL SOME OF THE EXUBERANCE OF THE SUPER BOWL PARTY BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN PERMISSION BASED ON YOUR NEIGHBORS NOT BEING DISTURBED OR UNAFFECTEDLY HARMED. SO I WAS THINKING PERHAPS THAT WOULD KEEP IT UNDER. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THERE TO BE SOME SORT OF A NOTIFICATION SYSTEM WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS SO THEY WOULD KNOW TO ANTICIPATE AND YOU DID SAY 9:00 P.M. YOU WOULD NOT BE RUNNING LATE NIGHT EVENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SOUND ORDINANCE ON THE WEEKEND IS TEN. SO IF WE HAD TO DO NINE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT IT IS. I GUESS IT WOULD BE NINE.

>> WHATEVER THE RULES ARE WE WILL FOLLOW.

>> THE CONDITION DID SAY 9:00 P.M.

OKAY. ONE MOMENT, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MY ONLY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW NOISE CAN CARRY. AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY SAY THEY CAN HEAR THE FAIRGROUNDS.

>> WE HEAR THE FAIRGROUNDS EVERY WEEKEND.

>> THAT'S A CONSTANT THING. WOULD YOU CONSIDER RESTRICTING THE NUMBER OF EVENTS, YOU SAID ONE OR TWO A YEAR.

>> PER MONTH. >> PER MONTH FOR THE YEAR WITH A LIMIT OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VEHICLES OR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS? I'M NOT TRYING TO LIMIT YOU.

I'M SAYING IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE SMALLER THINGS THAT REALLY WASN'T GOING TO BE A BIG IMPACT, PERHAPS IT COULD NOT COUNT IN THAT NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST THINKING HOW TO BE ABLE TO LET YOU UTILIZE THE PROPERTY THE WAY YOU WANT TO THAT DOES NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT YOUR NEIGHBORS.

>> YES, MA'AM. THE ONLY THING WITH, UNDERSTAND THE EVENTS BECAUSE THAT WOULD WORK OUT TO OUR SCHEDULE WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE STUDIO AND THE MOBILE PRODUCTION TO GO OUT AND DO FESTIVALS. THE ONLY THING IS THE PARKING.

I DON'T KNOW IF MERRILL LYNCH COMES IN AND HAS A COMPANY PARTY OR CHRISTMAS PARTY I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS ARE COMING FOR THEIR CHRISTMAS PARTY. THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF TO KEPT ME WITH PARKING. IT SEEMS UNREASONABLE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IT'S NOT FINE BUT IT'S NOT 5000 PEOPLE IF THAT'S

WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. >> THE IDEA IS YOU WOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY ON SITE TO SAFELY PARK EVERY VEHICLE THAT COMES AND THEY WILL ALL HAVE TO COME IN AND HAVE TO GO OUT.

THAT'S WOULD CAP THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE ABLE --

>> YES, MA'AM,. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHARLES LABANOWSKI. >> YES, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MISS SPIEGEL AND MR. GREEN AS FAR AS LIMITING THE NUMBER OF EVENTS. YOU ARE SAYING ONE TO TWO A MONTH. I BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING FIVE OR SIX MONTHS THAT WILL CREATE ISSUES WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.

>> IT WOULD BE ONE OR TWO A MONTH.

WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THAT PARKING LOT OUT THERE THAT YOU

ARE GOING TO USE? >> SO IT IS UNDER MY UNDERSTANDING CONSIDERED UNPAVED AND COMPRESSED MILLINGS.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE RED AREA FOR PARKING?

>> THE ENTIRE PARKING AREA. >> WE COULD PROBABLY DO, I WOULD

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SAY REALISTICALLY MAX THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 200 CARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF DONE CORRECTLY. FOR A BIG COMPANY PARTY.

THAT IS UTILIZING EVERYTHING AND EXTENDING.

AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT CACTUS PARKING WOULD BE ABOUT 100 CARS 8500 CARS.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PLENTY BIG ENOUGH FOR ANY WEDDING PARTY OF 100 PEOPLE TO 125.

YOUR AVERAGE TYPICAL WEDDING. >> THE HANDICAPPED PARKING I WILL GO BACK TO WHAT I ADDRESSED EARLIER.

YOU ARE WILLING TO SET UP A HANDICAPPED PARKING AREA CLOSER TO THE VENUE. CORRECT?

>> TECHNICALLY IT IS ONE BECAUSE IT'S MY PARKING SPOT AND THERE'S

THREE MORE NEXT TO IT. >> IT WILL BE MARKED OUT CAN WE THAT'S ALL I HAD. MISS PERKINS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. MR. SMITH.

IF WE WERE TO SET A LIMITATION TO HOW MANY EVENTS THEY HAVE EACH YEAR HOW CAN WE CONTROL THAT CAN WE.

>> THANK YOU AND THROUGH JACOB SMITH TO MISS PERKINS QUESTION, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO RELY ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE UPDATES TO STAFF FOR HOW MANY EVENTS THEY HAD HELD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER WAY TO ENSURE STAFF WOULD NOT BE CHECKING OR DRIVING BY RANDOMLY SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SELF-POLICE THEIR STANDARD.

>> MY QUESTION WOULD IT BE, THERE'S NOT REALLY A DEFINITION OF WHAT COUNTS AS AN EVENT. YOU SAID HE HAS BIRTHDAY PARTIES BUT SUPER BOWL PARTIES, MAYBE A WEDDING.

WHAT IF HE REACHES THAT 12 LIMIT WITH EVENTS BUT HAS THE BIRTHDAY PARTY. IS THAT NOT AN EVENT? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE CONTROLLED UNLESS YOU SELF-REPORT OR YOUR NEIGHBORS SELF-REPORT YOU.

SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN

CONTROL IT. >> UNDERSTOOD.

THROUGH THE CHAIR JUST FOR THE RECORD.

WHEN I AM IN THE STAFF REPORT HERE, WE'VE GONE FROM ESTIMATED NUMBER OF EVENTS FROM SIX TO EIGHT A YEAR TO 24 BY MY COUNT WITH A DISCUSSION THAT'S GOING ON SO THAT'S QUITE A SHIFT JUST

IN THIS HEARING. >> AND HIS UNDERSTANDING OF SOUND ORDINANCES AT TEN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS BUT IN THE SUGGESTED CONDITIONS HIS HOURS OF OPERATION, ENDING AT NINE, NOT TEN. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WON'T BE ABLE TO CONTROL EITHER AND IT SEEMS WE'RE ALREADY ON A

DIFFERENT PAGE. >> I THINK WE ARE GETTING OFF

COURSE. >> I HAVE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS.

>> SO THE BIRTHDAY PARTY I JUST MEANT HIS OWN SON'S BIRTHDAY

PARTY, LIKE OUR OWN PROPERTY. >> WOULD THAT COUNT AS AN EVENT? OTHER 30 PEOPLE, DO YOU HAVE A MASSIVE FAMILY?

I HAVE NO IDEA. >> I JUST MEANT --

>> TEN PERSON PARTY. >> A PAID EVENT.

>> MY POINT IS IT'S NOT DEFINED SO THAT'S MY ISSUE.

AND IT SEEMS YOU GUYS DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW HOW MANY EVENTS YOU WILL HAVE EACH YEAR. YOU THINK MAYBE ONE OR TWO BUT IF YOU HAVE FIVE CHRISTMAS PARTIES THAT'S GOING TO ADD UP.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SUPPORT THIS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION AND PHRASING AS FAR AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EVENTS AS FAR AS THE BUSINESS, LARGE ONES BUT SAY I WERE TO HAVE MY SON BIRTHDAY PARTY TEN PEOPLE, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STATED AT THEIR HOUSE THAT'S NO BIG DEAL.

I DON'T SEE. >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

HOW DO YOU COUNT? YOUR NEIGHBOR WILL SEE 30 CARS

COMING. >> I AGREE.

I FIND THAT CONFUSING THE CAPPING AS FAR AS WITHOUT DEFINING THE EVENTS LIKE THAT, IT FEELS WEIRD TO CAP IT BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. NOT THAT IT'S A BUSINESS BUT THAT'S OUR LIVELIHOOD. IT'S NOT LIKE I'M GOING TO WORK AT SOME FOREIGN BUSINESS. THIS IS MUSIC.

I WRITE MUSIC. HE DOES THIS.

IT'S LIKE OUR OFFICE BUT BIGGER. IT'S OUR PLAYROOM.

SO I FEEL LIKE THOUGH WE DON'T LIVE THERE, WE ARE THERE A LONG

TIME. >> SO YOU ARE NOT WANTING TO

CAP? >> I WOULD RATHER NOT.

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AT LEAST NOT WITH A REASONABLE CAP IF THERE WAS.

IF YOU SAY YOU CAN ONLY DO TWO EVENTS A MONTH, OKAY.

SO WE DO TWO EVENTS. THAT HELPS SUPPORT THE MONEY.

BUT MY WIFE IS LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO THROW A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR MY MOM. I CAN'T DO THAT FOR TEN PERSON?

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT I AM SAYING THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

WHAT IS DEFINED BY AN EVENT AND HOW MANY ARE YOU RUNNING? IF YOU SAY ONE PER MONTH, YOU ARE SAYING ONE TO TWO.

ARE WE CAPPING IT AT 24 OR 12? YOU IN THE SAME BREATH SAID I AM NOT CAPPING IT AT ALL. I DON'T WANT TO CAP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> I GUESS I AM MORE HIVE MINDING WITH YOU AND AGREEING AND EXPANDING ON IT IN MY OWN WAY. I JUST, IF YOU SAY WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE EVENT A MONTH BUT SAY SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE TO MOVE THEIR WEDDING FROM THIS DAY TO TWO DAYS LATER AND IT MOVES IT INTO THE MONTH AND THEY'VE ASKED TO MOVE IT UNTIL THAT DATE AND IT'S ONE DAY DIFFERENT, THEN IT MIGHT MESS UP THE NEXT MONTH.

SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT THOSE STIPULATIONS WHERE THERE'S SMALL THINGS WHERE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANYONE OR HURT ANYONE BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE GET STUCK IN A SYSTEM WITH THOSE KIND OF RULES AND CAPS WITHOUT REASONABLE CONSIDERATION OF

THOSE THINGS. >> I ASSUME AN EVENT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU CHARGE FOR. I ASSUME YOU WOULD NOT CHARGE YOUR SON FOR HIS BIRTHDAY PARTY OR YOUR MOTHER FOR HER BIRTHDAY

PARTY. >> NEVER.

>> SO AN EVENT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING YOU CHARGE FOR.

I ASSUME YOU PLAN TO CHARGE FOR WEDDINGS AND SO FOURTH.

>> YES, SIR,. >> AND IF THERE WEREN'T NEIGHBORS OBJECTING TO THIS I WOULDN'T BE THAT INTERESTED IN SEEING LIMITATIONS ON IT. AND WHAT WE READ IN THE APPLICATION I BELIEVE WAS SIX PER YEAR, SIX TO EIGHT PER YEAR.

>> JUST DO A NUMBER OF. >> IT'S OUT THERE.

BUT NOW IT IS 24. >> WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING TO BE CAPPED PURE UNTIL WE SHOWED UP TODAY WE HAD NO IDEA WE WERE EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT BEING CAPPED.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO BE REASONABLE.

>> WE HAVE NOT REALLY OWNED EVENTS LIKE THAT TO SAY WE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE KIND OF FEELING IT OUT IN A WAY AS FAR AS EVENTS AND THE BUSINESS BECAUSE I HAVE NOT EVER OWNED A MOBILE PRODUCTION COMPANY, THING LIKE THAT BEFORE THIS. SORRY.

MIND FOG FOR A SECOND. >> JUST THE EVENT SIDE.

>> WE ARE JUST TRYING TO, I'M SORRY.

>> THE OLDER THAT YOU GET THE MORE IT HAPPENS.

>> I GET THIS WEIRD BLOOD PRESSURE THING THAT HAPPENS AND IT FOGS MY BRAIN FOR A SECOND AND IT DELETES MY COOKIE.

SORRY I GET FOGGED. >> WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY, WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING TO BE UNDER A CAP AND WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT WE ARE AGREEING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 12 A MONTH PURE WE ARE TALKING ONE OR TWO REASONABLY EVENTS A MONTH.

THAT'S REASONABLE. I FEEL WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORS. THAT IS REASONABLE.

THAT GIVES US THE REST OF THE MONTH TO DO MOBILE PRODUCTION AND GIVES US THE REST OF THE MONTH TO DO WHAT WE'VE DONE OUR

ENTIRE LIVES. >> SPEAKER-06: WHEN YOU MET WITH STAFF TO GO OVER THIS AND PUT THE APPLICATION TOGETHER NO ONE ADVISED YOU YOU MIGHT NEED SOME KIND OF LIMITATIONS.

>> WE AS FAR AS I KNOW WHICH PATRICK FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR WHO IS A TRUE ROCK STAR.

HE'S HELPED US AMAZINGLY GO THROUGH THIS.

BECAUSE WE NEVER APPLIED FOR ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

EVERYBODY IN EVERY DEPARTMENT, WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO CROSS EVERY T AND DO HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IT AND EVERYBODY CHECKED OFF. THAT'S WHY WE WERE HERE TODAY.

SO WE GAVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH LEGALLY ORDNANCES. SO AGAIN IF WE HAVE TO GET CAPPED AND I'M SAYING BECAUSE THAT'S BEING BROUGHT UP NOW THEN WE ARE WILLING TO DO IF YOU WANT TO PUT A NUMBER SO WE HAVE A NUMBER INSTEAD OF GUESSING AND SAYING WE MIGHT DO THIS AND WE MIGHT DO THAT CAN WE IS THAT WHAT REALLY WE ARE, THE MAIN WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US FOR. IS THAT THE MAIN ISSUE?

>> TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO WE HAD SEVERAL OF THESE COME BEFORE US.

AND THE APPLICANTS CAME IN WITH A SELF-IMPOSED LIMITATION ON ALL SORTS OF THINGS. SOME OF THOSE GOT APPROVED.

SOME OF THEM DIDN'T GET APP APPROVED.

BUT I WAS HOPING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THESE. THIS IS WHAT THE WOMAN THAT WROTE THIS PARTICULAR EMAIL WANTS SHE WANTED A BINDING ANNUAL LIMIT ON EVENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING RIGHT NOW. MAXIMUM ATTENDANCE AND VEHICLE

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LIMITS. SO THINK ABOUT THESE.

YOU MAY BE ASKED TO PUT SOME NUMBERS ON THESE.

ALL PARKING MUST REMAIN ON THE RANCH PROPERTY.

THAT'S FINE. SPECIFIC HOURS OF OPERATION, NOISE AND AMPLIFIED MUSIC PROTECTIONS.

THE PERMITTED USE SHALL BE CLEARLY DEFINED.

OUTDOOR LIGHTING RESTRICTIONS. DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER REVIEW.

NOT SURE THAT'S NECESSARY BUT SHE PUT IT DOWN HERE.

INCOMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THOSE ARE SOME. WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY. ON A 40-ACRE PARCEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 207 FROM THE FAIRG FAIRGROUNDS.

I THINK THIS IS OVERALL COMPATIBLE.

GIVEN SOME LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS.

>> TO ANSWER THAT I FEEL WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING LEGALLY AND ORDINANCE WISE WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT WITH OVER ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU SAID OTHER THAN THE CAP.

HOW MANY EVENTS PER YEAR. WITH EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SAID I

THINK -- >> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO THROW? WE DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE SOMETHING OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEADS. WHY DON'T YOU PROPOSE SOMETHING

AND WE CAN MULL THAT OVER. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

>> THE THING THAT GETS ME IS THIS ISN'T A BUSINESS I'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS, WEDDINGS. I AM SAYING I SEASONS.

SO WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW MONTHS WHERE WE HAVE NOTHING HAPPENING BUT IN APRIL MIGHT HAVE THREE PEOPLE WANT TO DO A WEDDING BUT WE DON'T DO A WEDDING THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.

SO I UNDERSTAND PUTTING A CAP BUT SOMETIMES IF WE PUT THE CAP ON THE MONTH, SOMEONE AGREES TO DO THE WEDDING AND WE NEED TO MOVE IT A WEEK SOMETHING HAPPENED AND WE MOVE IT AND IT MOVES IT PAST THE NEXT MONTH AND WE MESSED UP OUR ALLOTMENT FOR MONTHS BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE PLAYING FOR THAT MONTH.

SO I WOULD SAY IF WE DO NOT DO A CAP ON THE MONTH JUST IN CASE STUFF HAPPENS AND WE HAVE IT FOR THE YEAR.

>> A TOTAL NUMBER CAP PER YEAR. IT SEEMS MORE REASONABLE OF WHAT

YOU GUYS ARE ASKING. >> IF AN EMERGENCY HAPPENS IT MOVES UP. OTHER PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THE NEXT MONTH ALREADY. AND I FORESEE PROBLEMS IF WE CAN

FIGURE THAT ASPECT OUT. >> I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD BUT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS TOTAL NUMBER PER YEAR AND

LIMITS ON PEOPLE AND VEHICLES. >> I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A NUMBER. AND SHORTLY WITH THE NUMBER OF EVENTS. THE VEHICLES HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT A NUMBER. HOW DO YOU PUT A NUMBER ON SOMEBODY WHO CALLS AND SAYS WE WANT THE WEDDING AND THERE'S 50 PEOPLE IN THE WEDDING AND SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS THERE'S 200 PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE.

IS SIX PEOPLE COMING IN A VAN, ALL INDIVIDUAL CARS COMING TO THE WEDDING CAN WE WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE CAP ON THE CARS IS JUST, IT DOESN'T

SEEM REASONABLE. >> IF YOU KEPT THE PEOPLE THE CARS WILL INHERENTLY STICK WITH THAT CAMP.

BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO CONCEPTUALIZE HOW MANY PEOPLE TO CAP OUT I FEEL. LET ME GET THREE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WANT TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. SO I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IS CONTRACTED EVENTS WERE YOU ACTUALLY BRINGING IN MONEY. THOSE ARE THE EVENTS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR KIDS PARTIES.

FAMILY PARTIES WHATEVER. YOU OWN THE PROPERTY AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE 100 PEOPLE ON YOUR PROPERTY IF YOU WANT TO.

IF YOU'RE NOT CHARGING MONEY AND NEEDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND THE REASON WE ARE UP HERE IS TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT AND MAKE MONEY AND THAT'S WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE PLACED.

SO THAT WHATEVER LITTLE BIT OF INCOMPATIBILITY THERE IS CAN BE MITIGATED BY YOU GIVING CONCESSIONS THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT LESS ONEROUS TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.

SO ANNUAL CAP I THINK WAS A THING THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I THINK THAT PERHAPS IF YOU HAD A NUMBER LIMIT AND SOMEONE CALLED IN AND SAID YES I'M HAVING MY WEDDING AND HAVE 400 GUESTS YOU SAY WE CANNOT HANDLE 400 PEOPLE ON THIS VENUE.

OUR LIMIT IS 200 OR WHATEVER YOU DECIDE.

THAT MIGHT BE A REASONABLE THING TO ASK US TO MAKE THIS ABLE TO BE PASSED. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

MR. GREEN, THE SAME THING. WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT

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COME UP WITH GUIDELINES FOR HIS BUSINESS.

I MEAN UNDERSTAND A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR KIDS WHETHER IT'S PAID FOR OR RETIREMENT PARTY DURING THE DAYTIME IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT A WEDDING IS GOING TO BE PURE BUT IT'S STILL A PAID EVENT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND TRY TO GET A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND GET MOVING WITH IT. SO EITHER COME UP, LET'S TRY TO RESOLVE THIS. LOOKING AROUND FOR YOU.

IT'S OKAY. I'VE BEEN QUIET SO FAR A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND I'M NOT SURE MEGAN MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN WE DID THIS BUT THERE'S A FOOD TRUCK PARK THAT WAS AT 312 AND A ONE A AND THAT'S KIND OF A NEW THING, AND WHAT THEY TOLD THEM WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE THEM A PROBATIONARY ONE YEAR PERMIT AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK AFTER A YEAR, SEE HOW THINGS WENT, SEE HOW THE NEIGHBORS TOOK IT, SEE WHAT PROBLEMS POPPED OUT OF IT AND THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY ADJUST IT OR TELL THEM NO A YEAR FROM THEN.

THIS IS A LARGE VENUE A LARGE SITE SO IT MAY BE THAT IF EVERYBODY HAS SOME TIME UNDER THEIR BELT AND KNOWS THE PROBLEMS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT CONDITIONS IN A YEAR AND SO MAYBE YOU COULD STILL POTENTIALLY THINK ABOUT CONDITIONS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON THIS BUT YOU MAY ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING THEM COME BACK IN A YEAR IF PARKING ISN'T A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU'VE CONDITIONED ALL THE PARKING TO BE ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, THEN MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED ANY EXTRA CONDITION ABOUT PARKING IF THERE AFTER THE PARK THEN MAYBE YOU NEED TO THINK OF OTHER CONDITINS TO HELP THAT.

THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER HERE AS IT'S NOT A TYPICAL VENUE AND THERE COULD BE ISSUES THAT ARE HARD TO FORESEE.

>> THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. MR. OLSON YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON

EARLIER BUT YOU TURNED IT OFF. >> IT'S SOMETHING THAT SORT OF SATISFIES THE QUESTION I HAD. SO THANK YOU.

>> OKAY MR. GREEN. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY EITHER THAT OR I KIND OF HATE DOING THIS TABLE IN EVENT UNTIL YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.

BUT I'M GOOD WITH EITHER WAY. BUT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE ON. WE'VE GOT A STACKED AGENDA AHEAD OF US PEOPLE ARE WAITING. IF WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE

TABLE AND GET THIS MEETING OVER. >> WE COULD LET YOU COME BACK AFTER THE NEXT ITEM OR SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AND COME UP WITH SOME FIRM LIMITATIONS FOR US.

>> CAN I ASK HOW LONG YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE.

I HAVE A MEDICATION SCHEDULE AND HAVE TO GET BACK HOME AT A POINT SO I'M CURIOUS. I WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG YOU

THINK THAT WOULD BE. >> MISS SPIEGEL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM SO SHE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.

SO IT'S IN WITHIN HER RIGHT TO DO SO.

>> IM GOING TO TRY AND IF YOU SAY NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT THEN THAT'S FINE. I'M GOING TO TRY THIS I'M GOING TO SAY MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAJOR 220 6-14 NFS RANCH BASED UPON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND 11 CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THERE ARE NO MORE THAN 12 EVENTS IN A YEAR.

THIS PERMIT TO BE REEVALUATED AFTER ONE YEAR WITH RESPONSE FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND WITH A RECORD OF HOW MANY EVENTS YOU ACTUALLY ENDED UP HOLDING AND WHEN YOU WERE FIGURING OUT YOUR WIGGLE ROOM AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE FIGURING OUT WHAT REALLY IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE SOMETIMES I THINK WE IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE THAN IT POSSIBLY IS PURE OR MAYBE IT WILL BE. SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT FOR SOMEBODY TO SECOND?

>> CAN I ASK FOR 15 IN CASE THE APRIL OR THE CHRISTMAS PARTIES

ARE A COUPLE MORE CAN WE. >> 15 IN A YEAR.

>> I THINK IT'S REASONABLE. >> YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A LIMITATION ON PEOPLE OR VEHICLES.

>> NOT YET. I THINK 15.

YOU KNOW THE PLACE IS SMALL ENOUGH.

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO 400 PERSON WEDDING.

I'M SORRY PURE 15 I. GUESS. >> WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION CAN WE.

>> HOW DO WE VISIT THIS? DOES THE STAFF REVIEW IT CAN WE HELP US OUT HERE JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

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THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. GREEN'S QUESTION.

SO ESSENTIALLY THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF APPROVED BY THIS BOARD WILL EXPIRE AFTER ONE YEAR AND THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS TO CONTINUE THEIR OPERATIONS SO THEY WILL NEED TO COME TO US AND OF COURSE WE WILL ASK FOR THE THINGS THAT THIS BOARD ASKS AND WE WILL RE-ADVERTISE AND HIT ALL THE NEIGHBORS WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER NOTICE AND SIGNAGE.

AND WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE A SIMILAR HEARING BUT REALLY MORE OF AN UPDATE FASHION AS OPPOSED TO AN OUTRIGHT REQUEST.

>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

PLEASE PUT OUR VOTING SCREEN UP. WE ARE READY TO VOTE.

OKAY THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SO YOU'VE GOT A YEAR PERMIT FOR 15

EVENTS PER YEAR. >> THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH AND SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG. WE APOLOGIZE.

>> WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT YEAR IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK.

>> DOES THE PERMIT START TODAY. WHEN DOES YOUR.

YOU BETTER ASK MR. SMITH THAT QUESTION.

[Items 2 & 3]

OKAY OKAY ITEM NUMBER 2 AND 3. YOU MAY BE PRESENTING THESE TOGETHER, ZONING VARIANCE AND A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, A MAJOR ONE.

MATTHEW LOTTI IS THE PRESENTER. AND WE NEED EXPERT MR. GREEN.

>> I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS LOCATION OF.

I DIDN'T DO A SITE VISIT BUT I KNOW WHERE IT'S AT.

>> MR. LABANOWSKI. >> YES, I DID A SITE VISIT.

GOT TWO EMAILS AND ALSO MISSED A CALL FROM MATT.

>> MR. SPIEGEL. >> I GOT THE SAME EMAILS.

I MISSED A CALL FROM MATT AS WELL.

I DID GET A VOICE MAIL FROM HIM THANK YOU.

AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A FRIEND OF MINE WHOSE MOTHER

LIVES OUT THERE MR. >> MR. OLSON.

>> VISITED THE SITE YESTERDAY. TWO EMAILS AND RECEIVED A CALL JUST BEFORE NOON TODAY BY MR. LATTI AND DID NOT HAVE TIME

TO HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION. >> MISS PERKINS.

>> I MISSED A PHONE CALL FROM MATT AND I WAS IN A ZOOM SO COULDN'T CALL YOU BACK I APOLOGIZE.

>> I GOT THE SAME TWO EMAILS WITH CONCERNS.

I SPOKE WITH MATT THIS MORNING ABOUT 11:30 FOR A WHILE ABOUT THIS AND HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR HIM.

AND I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE THIS TIME BUT IN 2023 WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING THIS I WAS OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES.

SPOKE WITH NEIGHBORS, THE HARDWICKS AND OTHERS PEOPLE RIDING HORSES AND I HAD CONCERNS AT THAT TIME BUT ANYWAY.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS NOW. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND LANDOWNER FOR 26 '08 AND 2615 RELATED TO THE WATERFRONT ROAD.

THE PROPERTY OWNER RESOURCES AND THE APPLICANT HERE TRUCKING WILL BE THE OPERATOR. THEIR LONG-STANDING LOCAL FIRM HERE IN TOWN SPECIALIZING IN EARTHWORK, DIRT HAULING AND LAND CLEARING. THE SITE IS WEST OF I95 COUNTY ROAD 214 JUST TO THE NORTH OF ALLENS AND A RAPIDLY GROWING PART OF THE COUNTY. CURRENT USE IS TIMBERLAND AND BORROW PIT. PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 625 ACRES. IT'S CLEARLY LANDLOCKED.

HAS NO ACCESS, WATER PLANT ROAD IS THE ONLY PUBLIC ROAD FRONTAGE ON ITS PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. SO YOU CAN SEE, TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS THE BAR PIT PERMITTED IN 2006.

THE SANDY AREA AND UPPER CENTER OF THE SCREEN IS THE PIT THAT WAS PERMITTED IN 2023 AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SCREEN YOU CAN SEE OUR SINGLE ACCESS POINT WHERE THE ROAD COMES ON SITE FROM WATER PLANT ROAD. WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE BECAUSE THE BAR PIT REQUIREMENTS INDICATE DIRECT ACCESS TO ARTERIAL MINOR OR MAJOR COLLECTOR.

WATER PLANT ROAD IS EXISTING 60-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

PROBABLY SOME SIMILARITIES TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.

WE ARE GROWING COUNTY. WE HAVE A LOT OF RURAL

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INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO NEED TO BE UPGRADED OVER TIME TO GET RID OF THE DITCHES AND CREATE SOME SAFER ENVIRONMENTS. THERE WAS WORKED ON A WATER PLANT ROAD WITH A REUSE PROGRAM RECENTLY.

BUT A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY THAT PREVIOUS APPLICATION KIND OF HAD A MULTITIERED AGREEMENT SO THERE'S THE LANDOWNER TO THE WEST. ROBINSON IMPROVEMENT TRACT.

IT WAS OVER LONG TERM LEASE WITH WIRE HAZARD AND THEY WERE OPERATING IT FROM A TIMBER PERSPECTIVE.

WIRE HAWSER HAD THE AGREEMENT WITH RAYONIER TO ALLOW THIS TRAIL ROAD YOU CAN SEE TO THE RED WHICH WAS THE ULTIMATE OF HAUL ROAD AGREEMENT. BUT THAT WAS TERMINATED EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN WEYERHAEUSER LOST THE RIGHTS TO THE PROPERTY.

SO THE LANDOWNER THERE'S NO AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT TRAIL ROAD SO WE ARE AT A LANDLOCKED PIECE OF PROPERTY ASKING TO UTILIZE WATER PLANT ROAD.

WE KNOW THERE'S HISTORY OUT HERE.

THE OPERATOR AS A LOCAL OPERATOR.

THEY WANT TO BE A GOOD COMMUNITY STEWARD.

AND I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE AS WE GET THROUGH THIS. THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT STATUS OF THAT PIT. LOOKING BACK TO THE SOUTH TOWARDS THE PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED PIT.

THE COUNTY HAS A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.

ICONICALLY NAMED WATER PLANT ROAD.

SO THERE'S A DECENT AMOUNT OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT COMING IN HERE.

RAINIER HAS EQUIPMENT. THERE'S BEEN LOGGING TRUCKS THAT UTILIZE WATER PLANT ROAD AS THAT LAND WAS TIMBERED.

BEING A LONG STRAIGHT RURAL ROAD IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A STRANGER TO A LARGER TRUCK TRAFFIC. TOUCHING ON THE CODE COMBINATIONS, THE CODE SECTIONS ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM SECTION 2.03.123 A OF REQUIRING US TO HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO THAT ARTERIAL AND THE COLLECTOR. WE HAVE TO RESUBMIT FOR THE SPECIALTY PERMIT. TALKING ABOUT THE HAUL ROUTES, WE ARE PROPOSING TO COME SOUTH ON WATER PLANT ROAD.

AND GO EAST OR WEST ON COUNTY ROAD 214.

PROPOSED HAULING DOWN ALLEN EAST ROAD.

FROM MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION AND REMAINS WITH THIS APPLICATION.

AS FAR AS THE TRIP TRAFFIC ON COUNTY ROAD 214, CURRENTLY IT'S TWO DIFFERENT SEGMENTS. YOU CAN SEE THAT NOTED ON EAST BIFURCATES SECTION 45 AND 46. BOTH SEGMENTS OPERATING WELL BELOW CAPACITY, BUT YOU CAN SEE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC USING ALLEN NICE BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONTINUING WEST COUNTY ROAD 214. MITIGATION CONDITIONS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HERE. THE APPLICANT HAS ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND PROVIDE A COMMITMENT TO MAINTAIN WATER PLANT ROAD AND THE ON SITE ROADS.

UTILITY DEPARTMENT USES SOME OF THOSE ROADS ON SITE TO GET TO THE COUNTY WELLS. DOCTOR TO KIND OF COMPLEMENT THE CONVERSATION EARLIER ASKED ME HOW DEEP THOSE WELLS WERE.

THEY ARE BETWEEN 300 N95, AND 475 FEET DEEP.

AND THE PIT WILL BE ABOUT 35 FEET DEEP.

SO THE BOTTOM OF THOSE WELLS ARE WELL BELOW ANY ZONE OF INFLUENCE THAT WE WILL HAVE WITH THE WATER WITHDRAWAL FOR PUMPING.

AS PART OF THAT NONZONING VARIANCE WE HAVE TO RESUBMIT FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO JUST SOME OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS WE PUT IN HERE CAPPING AT 100 TRUCKS PER DAY WHICH WOULD BE 200 TRIPS, SPEED LIMIT ON WATER PLANT ROAD SHALL BE NO MORE THAN 15 MILES PER HOUR AND THESE TRUCKS THAT SIMS IS OPERATING HAS THESE FANCY NEW AI INCORPORATED -- CAMERAS THAT TO RECORD THE DRIVER'S SPEED, RECORDS EVERYTHING AND DISPATCH GETS CONSTANT REPORTING IF THE DRIVERS ARE EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMITS IN ANY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION.

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THERE'S SOME MONITORING GOING ON WITH THESE TRUCKS.

JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THE SIMS TRUCKS ARE NOT JUST BLINDLY OPERATING DOWN THE ROAD. THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES BETWEEN THE CERTIFIED OR LICENSED COMMERCIAL DRIVER AND THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO LIMIT HAULING ACTIVITIES FROM 7:00 A.M. TO 5:00 P.M. AND PERMITS SHOULD BE VALID FOR FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL.

ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS IS PART OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WAS THE VEHICLES IDLING IN THE WATER PLANT ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

ONE OF OUR PROPOSALS IS TO MOVE 500 FEET INTO THE PROPERTY SO THE TRUCKS ARE NOT IDLING ANY NEAR RESIDENCES OR STACKING UP WAITING TO GET THERE WHEN THE PIT OPENS.

AGAIN THERE ARE SOME SCHOOLS WITHIN OUR HAUL ROUTE AREAS.

OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD BE GOING OFF THE BAR PIT CRITERIA BETWEEN 7:00 A.M. AND 9:00 A.M. AND 2:00 P.M. AND 4:00 P.M.

WILL NOT BE USING ANY OF THOSE ROUTES IN FRONT OF SCHOOLS.

HERE'S A GRAPHIC SHOWING WHERE THAT GATE WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE RELOCATED TO. YOU CAN SEE IT WAS KIND OF AT ITS PREVIOUS LOCATION WHERE THAT YELLOW LINE INTERSECTED WITH THE LINE FOR THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. WE'RE PROPOSING TO RELOCATE THAT GATE ON SITE. A GRAPHIC SHOWING 500 FEET TO THE NORTH. SOME OTHER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT WITH THIS PIT IS THE BAR PITS ARE TEMPORARY OPERATIONS.

THEY'RE NOT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.

NOT AN OFFICE BUILDING OR MANUFACTURING FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC DAY IN AND OUT IN AND OUT.

THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHEN THESE OPERATIONS ARE HAULED.

THERE'S NO SECRET WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WORK GOING ON. MY FIRM WE PERMIT QUITE A FEW OF THE BAR PIT'S OUTER FRINGES AND SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESS OPERATORS SIDE OF THIS IS THAT CURRENT PRICE OF FUEL, THE MATERIAL FROM THE SITE BEING CLOSER TO CONSTRUCTION AREAS WILL ELIMINATE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE OUTER FRINGES INTO TOWN. MOST INFILL PROJECTS IN TOWN ARE WHAT NEED THE DIRT. INFIELD LOTS IN WEST AUGUSTINE, COMMERCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE COMING ALONG US ONE.

AND THAT IS GOING TO COME FROM FURTHER WEST ON 207 OR THE SAINT MARKS PIT AT PALENCIA, OR ANY OF THE PITS FURTHER SOUTH OF TOWN.

THE REGIONAL MATERIAL COMPONENT IS CRITICAL TO UNDERSTANDING YOUR SUPPLY CHAIN AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN HOPEFULLY TRY TO REDUCE SOME CONSTRUCTION COSTS WITH $6.50 A GALLON DIESEL ADDING TO THIS COST OF THIS CONSTRUCTION.

SO SOME MITIGATION CONSIDERATION WE TALKED ABOUT THE RIGHT AGREEMENT WE TALKED ABOUT THE SPEED.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE GATE MOVING. SO WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING MAY 21ST, THURSDAY 6:00 P.M. TO 7:00 P.M.

WE HAD SIX RESIDENTS SHOW UP. SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WERE AROUND TRUCK TRAFFIC AND SOME RIGHT OF WAY CONSTRAINT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE SPEED AND SPEED LIMITS.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME SCHOOL KIDS ALONG WATER PLANT ROAD. THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION AMONGST THE APPLICANT AND LANDOWNER AROUND HOW WE COULD PUT A STRUCTURE OUT THERE. WHERE THAT WOULD BE WITH COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY OR END OF WATER PLANT ROAD.

I DO THINK THERE'S GOODWILL FROM THE APPLICANT AND LANDOWNER SIDE TO TRY TO SEEK SOME SORT OF SHELTER OR BUS STOP FOR THE KIDS. THERE'S A FEW LOGISTICS WITH SITING AND SCHOOL BUS ROUTES. AND HOW WE COORDINATE THAT.

BUT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SO AGAIN SOME TRUCKING FAMILY BUSINESS, LOCALLY OPERATED THIRD GENERATION. PROJECTS THEY HAVE WORKED ON THEY HAVE BEEN DELIVERING FIELD DIRT TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOLS CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE SAINT.

SEVERAL CHURCHES. ROADWAY JOBS.

HURRICANE RECONSTRUCTION THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS SIMS TRUCKING HAS LOCALLY DELIVERED DIRT TO AS PART OF THEIR OPERATIONS AND PART OF THEIR BUSINESS. COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT WOMEN'S

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REFUGE HAVE A HEART ST. AUGUSTINE YOUTH SERVICES.

FREE SANDBAGS DURING STORMS. ALL THINGS SAM'S TRUCKING IS DOING AS PART OF BEING A GOOD STEWARD TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT THESE -- CAMERAS FROM THE OVERHEAD TO CUT SHEET BUT AGAIN THESE ARE AIR SERIES. THE CURRENT BUZZWORD OF THE WORLD AI INFLUENCE -- CAMERAS. THEY DO FACE THE ROAD FRONT AND THE BACK INSIDE THERE'S ALERTS AND MONITORING THIS IS ALL REALTIME DATA AND IT'S ALL BACKED UP AND STORED.

SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MIGHT HAVE.

>> OKAY THANK YOU MR. OLSON. >> YEAH, WE'RE ANY, GOING BACK TO THE LOSS OF THE WIRE HAS A ROAD WERE THERE ANY EFFORTS TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHOEVER NOW CONTROLS THAT PROPERTY TO SEE IF A NEW AGREEMENT COULD BE STRUCK AND WAS IT, IS THERE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? WHETHER THEY DID OR NOT?

>> I DO BELIEVE SO THAT THEY WERE UNSUCCESSFUL BUT I WILL TRY TO GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WAS A BUSINESS TERMS OR COULD YOU ALSO FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS THEY COULDN'T COME TOGETHER FINANCIALLY.

>> I WILL GET MORE DETAILS. BECAUSE IF THAT ROAD IS STILL THERE PRESUMABLY. OKAY THANK YOU.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. MR.

>> JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS. SORRY I MISSED YOUR CALL.

THE PERMIT SAID FIVE YEARS? FIVE YEAR PERMIT.

>> YES, MA'AM,. >> SO FIVE YEARS THIS WILL BE GOING ON FOR THE PEOPLE. APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD COMMUNITY MINDED BUSINESSMAN DOING GOOD THINGS FOR THE COUNTY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

WATER PLANT ROAD RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

DOES THE COUNTY OWN ALL THE WAY THROUGH OR DOES IT END WHERE THE

PROPERTY BEGINS? >> THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY I BELIEVE ENDS WHERE THE PROPERTY STARTS AND THERE'S EASEMENTS THAT PREDICATE THE ACCESS BACK THERE FOR THE COUNTY TO ACCESS

THE WELLFIELDS. >> WE HAVE THE WELLFIELDS WITH NEW ROADS AND THAT'S ALL BEEN ADDRESSED WITH UTILITIES

DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS IMPACT. >> PART OF THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WAS REQUIRING TO RESTORE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME OF NOTIFICATION FROM THE COUNTY UNTIL THE DEPARTMENT MAINTAINED A BASE LEVEL OF STANDARD, MAINTAINED DUST CONTROL AND MAINTAINED INTEGRITY OF THE ROAD.

>> THEY WILL INSPECT AND REPORT AND REQUIRE.

>> THEY WILL HANDLE THAT AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT.

>> BOTH AGREEMENTS WENT DOWN, ONE FOR COUNTY ROAD AND FOR THE

WELLFIELD ROADS? >> I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE SIMS, THE PLEDGE FOR THE WELL ROAD COORDINATED WITH UTILITY DEPARTMENT. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE AN ACTUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FOR WATER PLANT ROAD. I DO KNOW WATER PLANT ROAD IS MENTIONED IN THAT AGREEMENT. IN MY HISTORY WITH OTHER BORROW PITS THERE'S BEEN A DOCUMENT AND A BOND AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT PROCEED TO ALL OF THAT IS ON THE TABLE AFTER THIS IS

APPROVED. >> THAT IS REQUIRED.

>> WE WON'T ISSUE THE PERMIT UNTIL IT GIVES, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IN THIS. BUT I'M LOOKING FOR IT AND I KNOW SOME OF IT, ONE PIECE IS DONE BUT I DON'T THINK THE OTHER IS COMPLETE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN IT.

I DID GET CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE SO WE KNOW YOU'RE INSURED. I PROVED THAT THE OTHER DAY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON AI. IS THAT REALTIME SPEED AS WELL TO KEEP THEM THEIR SPEED MONITORED AND DISPATCHER GETS ALERTS WHEN THE SPEED IS EXCEEDED.

>> JUST A QUESTION FOR JACOB BUT A TAX BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY IF THIS CONTINUES OR DEFICIT IF IT DOES NOT? IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THEY NEED

THE DIRT. >> UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE

ENOUGH INFORMATION. >> IT POPPED INTO MY HEAD.

HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT THE COUNTY HAVING THIS HERE CAN WE OKAY I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW AND MAYBE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

>> I'D LIKE TO ASK MISS SPIEGEL A QUESTION SINCE IN 2023 SAFETY OF SCHOOL CHILDREN ALONG WATER PLANT ROAD WAS A CONCERN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS OR DIRECTION FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD

ABOUT THIS? >> YES.

>> SORRY? >> I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD BUT WE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME CONNECTING THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IF THE ANSWER WAS NOT GIVEN.

BUT OF COURSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT STUDENT SAFETY AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S

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ADDRESSING THAT. >> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED AI CAMERAS BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT A PART IN 2023.

I GUESS THEY HADN'T BEEN INVENTED YET.

>> NOT ENOUGH MICROCHIPS FOR IT THEN.

>> I GUESS THEY MAKE FLOCK CAMERAS LOOK LIKE SMALL POTATOES NOW. I DON'T KNOW.

AND COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. I WANTED TO POINT SOMETHING OUT TO YOU THAT I THOUGHT WAS FUNNY. IN YOUR FOURTH BULLET DOWN MONITORS DRIVER'S BEHAVIOURS SUCH AS DISTRACTED DRIVING LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY WAS DISTRACTED WHEN THEY WROTE THAT.

JUST GOT TO POINT THAT OUT. OKAY.

SO LET'S HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS.

SO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND LET US HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

>> MY NAME IS LISA CORRIGAN. I LIVE AT 2144 WATER PLANT ROAD.

HAVE RESIDED THERE FOR THE PAST 38 YEARS.

WATER PLANT ROAD WAS ORIGINALLY A DEAD END ROAD.

BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FOR OUR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY OUTSIDE.

PRESENTLY THREE BUSINESSES ALREADY DOWN THAT ROAD.

THAT COMMUTE DAILY UP AND DOWN. THIS MORNING AT 840 WHEN A YOUNG MAN WAS TRYING TO GET ON HIS SCHOOL BUS THERE WAS TWO OF THOSE TRUCKS LEAVING OUT FOR WORK.

THEY OF COURSE HAD TO MERGE OVER TO GET AROUND, LEAVE THE YOUNG MAN ROOM TO STAND AT THE CORNER TO WAIT FOR HIS SCHOOL BUS.

I COULD NOT MOVE ON TO THE ROAD WITHOUT DRIVING INTO THE GRASS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW DUMP TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE ROAD ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT BECAUSE THE ROAD IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH. WE HAVE CHILDREN WALKING TO THE BUS STOP. IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE EAST HAS HAD MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS AT THE CORNER OF.

IT'S BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS HAPPENING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. SAINT JOHNS STATE ROAD 16 HIGHWAY 95, 207, ANYTIME THOSE ROADS HAVE ANY ISSUES THOSE PEOPLE ARE COMMUTING ON ALLEN TO GO OUT 13 OR GO BACK INTO TOWN TO ST. AUGUSTINE. THE INTERSECTION IN THAT AREA HAS MULTIPLIED. I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING OUT AT 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON TO GO TO TOWN BECAUSE OF ALL THE PEOPLE RUSHING TO GO HOME. I ALSO TAKE GRANDCHILDREN TO SCHOOL. AT THE CORNER OF HOLMES BOULEVARD IT USED TO BE A TWO-LANE ROAD.

NOW IT HAS TWO TURN LANES AND A STRAIGHT LANE.

IT IS BACKED UP TO CARTER ROAD. THAT MEANS THESE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT LINE CAUSING ADDITIONAL BACKUP.

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO ON ALLEN ROAD.

I ATTENDED THE FIRST MEETING THEY HAD.

I HAVE HEARD DIFFERENT STORIES ON HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT PIT.

BUT I KNOW FIRSTHAND THAT I WAS MAKING NUMEROUS CALLS TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN REGARDS TO SPEEDING AND ISSUES WITH THOSE TRUCKS THE TIME THEY CAME IN ON THE LAST PIT.

THESE ARE INDEPENDENT TRUCKS. THEY'RE NOT ALL OWNED BY SIMS. THEY CAUSED DAMAGES TO THE ROAD. THEY LITTERED THE ROAD.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSED THEM TO GET KICKED OUT OF THE OLD ROBINSON TREES FARM AND WHY THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN MINE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. PLEASE COME ON DOWN AND IF YOU WANT LINE UP AT ONE OF THE MICROPHONES.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

>> MY NAME IS KAY HORNER. I LIVE AT 2280 WATER PLANT ROAD.

I HAVE WRITTEN SOMETHING SO I'M GOING TO READ IT.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEHIVES LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET

FROM WATER PLANT. >> COULD YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE TOWARDS YOU A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE BEEHIVES ABOUT 100 FEET FROM WATER PLANT ROAD. WE OPERATE A BEEKEEPING BUSINESS THROUGH AN LLC. THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED SMALL AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE INVESTED TIME AND MONEY INTO. LARGE DUMP TRUCKS MEAN REPEATED DUST, NOISE, VIBRATION AND VEHICLE EMISSIONS IMMEDIATELY

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ADJACENT. OVER A FIVE YEAR.

THIS IS NOT A SHORT TERM DISRUPTION.

I AM PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DUST AND VIBRATION AND THE EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON OUR HIVES.

I'M NOT CLAIMING THAT I KNOW THE LONG TERM EFFECT ON OUR HIVES.

I'M JUST ASKING THAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON EXISTING APIARY BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRUCKS SPEEDS. NEIGHBORS HAVE PREVIOUSLY REPORTED DUMP TRUCKS SPEEDING ON WATER PLANT ROAD AND HAVE HAD TO CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE PROBLEM.

NEED TO HAVE THE DUMP TRUCKS REPEAT VIOLATIONS ONCE LAW ENFORCEMENT LEFT. SHERIFF RESPECTFULLY ASKS WHAT'S CHANGED THIS TIME THAT NOW IT MIGHT GET APPROVED.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND? IF THE COUNTY APPROVES THIS THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ENFORCEABLE PLAN, DOCUMENTED SPEEDS WHICH THEY'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED, DESIGNATED CONTACT PERSON THAT RESIDENTS CAN FILE COMPLAINTS TO PURE CONSEQUENCES FOR REPEATED VIOLATIONS INCLUDING THE ABILITY TO SUSPEND OR MODIFY HAULING OPERATIONS IF CONDITIONS ARE ALLOWED.

DUST CONTROL REQUIREMENTS THAT ACTUALLY MONITORED PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE BEEHIVES ARE APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET FROM WATER PLANT OR RURAL ROAD IS 22 FEET WIDE.

HOW DOES THE COUNTY EXPECT RESIDENTS TO SAFELY ENTER AND EXIT WATER PLANT ROAD THROUGHOUT THE DAY ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S 100 TRUCKS GOING THIS WAY AND 100 TRUCKS GOING THAT WAY CAN WE HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY SAFELY CAN WE.

>> THANK YOU. SORRY.

I LIVE AT 2128 WATER PLANT. AND I MOVED THERE THREE YEARS AGO. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A DEAD END ROAD BECAUSE IT SAYS DEAD END ROAD.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES UP AND DOWN OUR ROAD WHICH I WAS REALLY SURPRISED, AND THEN I'M LIKE, YEAH, OKAY IT'S A WATER PLANT THERE. YEAH, OKAY THERE'S A FENCE COMPANY THERE. YEAH, OKAY.

BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PIT THING.

BUT NOW I SEE WHERE THE PIT THING COMES INTO.

BUT I DO SEE THE KIDS WALKING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET ALL THE TIME. AND IT IS A HARD TURN.

IT REALLY IS. IF THERE'S NO OTHER CAR I AM HAPPY BECAUSE I CAN MAKE THE TURN OF THE EASY.

IF THERE'S ANOTHER CAR THERE I HAVE TO CONCENTRATE TO TURN RIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO -- IT IS A T. THERE'S NO CURVE TO IT. IT IS A T.

IT REALLY IS A HARD ROAD. LITTER ALL THE TIME.

I'M ALWAYS PICKING UP LITTER. I SEE THAT ROAD CATHOLIC, BEING TORN OUT THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER WAY THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER ROAD. LET THEM BUILD A ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT IS AN INCONVENIENCE FOR US THAT LIVE THERE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES. I AM SANDRA BEVERLY.

MY MOTHER, I HAVE RESIDED 2425 WATER PLANT ROAD WHILE MY MOTHER RESIDES THERE AS WELL. IN 2023 SHE WAS FINE BUT IN 2024 SHE TOOK A TURN FOR THE WORSE SO SHE HAS EARLY ONSET DEMENTIA AND I JUST THINK THE MIND OF MY MOTHER FRAGILE STATE OF MIND IS AT RISK WITH 200 TRUCKS GOING DOWN THIS ROAD THAT'S WHAT'S PRESENTED IN WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CALL THIS THING? BUT IT'S GOING TO AGITATE HER AND YOU SAID PROVIDE FIVE YEARS.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE FIVE YEARS WITH THAT.

AND THIS IS HER PROPERTY. SHE'S WORKED HARD HER WHOLE LIFE. FOR THE ACRES TO HAVE PEACE OF MIND OUT THERE I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BRING HER ANY PEACE OF MIND BUT MORE TROUBLE. AND YES THE DUST AND NOISE, THOSE ANIMALS THAT LIVE UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD.

THE HARDWICKS HAVE OVER 30 DONKEYS ACROSS THE STREET.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STATE OF MIND FOR THEM AS WELL. AND I KNOW ANIMALS DON'T MATTER TO THE STATE. BUT I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD PROPOSAL AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS.

THAT'S IT. >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS DONNA SPARKS.

I'VE STOOD HERE BEFORE. 2410 WATER PLANT ROAD AND MY RESIDENCE 2370 WATER PLANT ROAD. IT WAS 18 MONTHS THAT WE WENT

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THROUGH THIS WITH THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO STAY WHERE IT WAS A CHALLENGE LIKE THE PEOPLE HEARD BEFORE US.

WITH THE STIPULATIONS AND THE GUIDELINES AND THE NUMBER OF TRIPS. ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO, WE DOTTED IS AND CROSSED THE TS.

WE REMAINED THERE AND I BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A RESIDENT OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY, A PROPERTY OWNER AND BUSINESS OWNER & NEIGHBOUR TO WATER PLANT ROAD. I WANT TO BEGIN SAYING THAT I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT I'M JUST A PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE OUR PROPERTY, BUT MY CONCERN IS MUCH MORE SPECIFIC. WATER PLANT ROAD SHOULD NOT BECOME THE HALL ROUTE FOR THIS PIT.

THIS HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 24 HOMES REPRESENTED ON OUR ROAD. THERE ARE FAMILIES, FARMS, ANIMALS,ER BUSINESSES AND A MAJOR COUNTY UTILITY FACILITY THAT ALREADY USE WATER PLANT ROAD EVERY DAY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ADDING APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED TRIPS A DAY TO THIS DEAD END ROAD.

THAT IS NOT A SMALL CHANGE IN TRAFFIC.

THAT CHANGES THE CHARACTER AND THE DAILY USE OF OUR ROAD.

I UNDERSTAND FIRSTHAND WHY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REGULATES SPECIAL USES AND TRAFFIC ON WATER PLANT ROAD.

HARDWOOD-- WENT THROUGH THIS FOR APPROXIMATELY 18 MONTHS OF UNCERTAINTY AND STRESS WHILE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE OPERATING ON OUR PROPERTY.

ULTIMATELY WE REMAIN UNDER SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS. WE ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A RURAL APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE BUSINESS LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

AND OUR BUSINESS TRAFFIC WAS LIMITED TO APPROXIMATELY TEN TRIPS PER DAY DURING 9 AND 5. WE ACCEPTED THOSE RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD THE COUNTY WAS TRYING TO BALANCE THE RIGHT TO OPERATE BUSINESS WITH THE RIGHTS AND SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG WATER PLANT ROAD.

THAT IS IMPORTANT TODAY. IF TEN TRIPS PER DAY FROM AN ESTABLISHED LOCAL BUSINESS REQUIRES CAREFUL RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE AND LIMITATIONS OF WATER PLANT ROAD, THEN I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHAT APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED DOCK TRUCKS PER DAY WOULD DO FOR THIS LITTLE SAME ROAD. PLEASE CONSIDER THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT. NOT JUST ONE TRUCK AT A TIME.

CONSIDER RESIDENTS PULLING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS, FAMILIES COMING AND GOING. EXISTING BUSINESSES, THE COUNTY UTILITY OPERATION. ROAD WEAR, DUST,ER NOISE, ANIMALS ALONG THIS ROAD. MOST IMPORTANTLY PLEASE CONSIDER WHETHER A LOCAL DEAD END ROAD, FARMS EXISTING BUSINESSES IS THE APPROPRIATE ACCESS ROUTE.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU NOT GRANT THIS REQUEST AND ACCESS THE ROUTING CHANGE THAT WILL REPLACE THE LEVEL BORROW PIT TRAFFIC WATER ON WATER PLANT ROAD.

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THE COUNTY TO PREVENT ALL DEVELOPMENT OF BUSINESS ACTIVITY.

WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SAME CONSIDERATION AND BALANCE THAT THE COUNTY REQUIRED OF THOSE OF US WHO ARE ALREADY HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS.

FARMERS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESSES OF WATER PLANT ROAD, RESPE RESPECTFULLY-- SPARKS.

>> THANK YOU. YES, SIR?

>> MY NAME IS MIKE CORRIGAN. I LIVE ON 2144 WATER PLANT ROAD. BEEN THERE FOR 38 YEARS.

BACK IN 2006, WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE SMITH-- COMPANY BECAUSE THEY DID THE PIT BACK THERE.

THE FIRST ONE. AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE SPEED LIMIT AND THEN THEY'D GET SOME INDEPENDENT TRUCKERS THERE AND THEY ARE GOING DOWN THE ROAD I HAD TO CALL THE COPS QUITE A FEW TIMES ON THEM AND ALL.

AND WATER PLANT ROAD IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH.

FOR FIVE YEARS. NO.

I CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT AGAIN. EVEN IF THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO DO 15 MILES AN HOUR. WELL IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO 15 MILES AN HOUR IN THOSE BIG TRUCKS BECAUSE I DROVE A BOB TAIL FOR 42 ½ YEARS. SO I DON'T NEED 'EM.

THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO 206 WHERE THEY HAVE A PIT OF THEIR OWN BACK THERE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. >> HELLO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? I'M CAROLINE ROTH I RESIDE AT 2136. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 24 YEARS.

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I OPPOSE THE TRUCKING COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO COME DOWN THIS ROAD. I AGREE WITH THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS HERE. THE ROAD IS NARROW.

EVEN IN THE EVENING, FOR YOU TO EVEN BE ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE AND WALK DOWN THE ROAD. TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A WALK, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS. IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR ONE CAR.

YOU'RE ALWAYS WATCHING OUT THE SEE IF THE CAR HAS SEEN YOU.

IF YOU ARE OUT THERE IN THE DAYTIME.

YOU HAVE TRUCKS COMING IN. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CAR PASS THAT TRUCK. THE NEXT THING I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE TEARING DOWN MY DRIVEWAY.

MY DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY USED BY THE GARBAGE TRUCKS TO BACK INTO. I REALLY DO NOT NEED EXTRA WATER TRUCKS AND HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN MY OWN DRIVEWAY. THE OTHER CONCERN I ALSO HAVE IS WHEN YOU'RE STANDING UP THERE AT THAT CORNER ON WATER PLANT ROAD AND 214, THOSE KIDS OUT THERE THAT ARE STAYING WAITING ON THE BUS. I HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER UP THERE, IS VERY DANGEROUS OUT THERE.

YOU HAVE PARENTS THAT ARE PARKED ALONGSIDE THE ROAD WAITING FOR THE BUSES TO COME. THAT GOES ON FOR 6:30 IN THE MORNING UNTIL 4:30 IN THE AFTERNOON.

THESE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM THERE.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ACCIDENTS RIGHT THERE AS YOU'RE COMING OUT OF-- WATER PLANT ONTO 214. YOU HAVE LANDFILL RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S BEEN SOME ACCIDENTS BACK THERE THAT WHEN THE ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, THEY HAVE TO SHUT THE ROAD DOWN.

NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY EITHER WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 13A TO BE ABLE TO COME IN. I THINK BRINGING IN MORE TRUCKS BACK THERE IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REPLACE THE ROADS.

THE ROADS ARE NOT IN TOP CONDITION TO BEGIN WITH.

NOW WE'LL BRING IN HEAVY TRUCKS.

WHO IS GOING TO REGULATE THE WEIGHT ON THOSE TRUCKS AND LOADING THE DIRT OUT OF THERE? THOSE TRUCKS SHOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO HANDLE 80,000 POUNDS BUT THERE'S NO SCALES BACK THERE TO REGULATE THAT. THEY ARE GOING TO LOAD THEM TRUCKS UP. THAT DIRT'S GOING TO BE WET AND THEY ARE GOING TO TEAR UP THE ROADS AS THEY ARE COMING THROUGH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS DIRT LAYING ON THE ROADS. ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS OUR VEHICLES. IT IS GOING TO DESTROY THE ROADS OUT THERE. I CURRENTLY, I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT ESTOPPED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? MR. LAHT TICHLT FLOOR IS YOURS

FOR REBUTTAL, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE A CONSOLIDATED RESPONSE.

THAT ALL HAPPENED PRETTY QUICK, BUT I DO HAVE NOTES FOR MOST OF THIS SOY MAY JUMP AROUND. BUT JUST JUMP IN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE BEES AND THE LEASE FIRST. THERE IS A BEE LEASE THAT RAINIER HAS ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO THE PROPERTY WHERE THE BORROW SPIT HAS A LEASE. I DO BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOURS WHO BROUGHT THAT UP. HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WOODS BETWEEN THE TREES. TO THE WATER PLANT ROAD.

I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE TOO MUCH CONCERN FOR THE BEES.

WE'RE VERY CONSIDERABLE OF IT. BUT TALKING ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 214 AND WATER PLANT ROAD.

THE NEIGHBOURS TALK ABOUT IT'S A STRAIGHT INTERSECTION AND SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF RADIUS.

THE TEAM WILLING TO WORK TO UPGRADE THAT DRIVEWAY CONNECTION IF THEY NEED TO TO GET A RADIO SONIC, GET IT STRIPED. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE IN GENERAL. THE 2006 ERA I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHO WHA TO SAY IT'S DEFINITELY TWO DECADES LATER AND IT'S A DIFFERENT E A. THAT WAS EXTREME TIME OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY AND I THINK WE'VE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS. AND NO TRUCK RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. AND THERE WAS A DIFFERENT OPERATOR AT THE TIME. AND I'LL LET GARRETT COME UP IN A MINUTE HERE WITH HIS BACKGROUND.

MR. SIMS WILL BE THE 24/7 POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE NEIGHBOURS.

HE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO PUT A SIGN UP THERE WITH HIS PHONE NUMBER AND HIS CONTACT INFORMATION TO DO THAT.

I DIDN'T ASK HIM, BUT I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO BET THAT HIS EMPLOYEES WOULD VOLUNTEER TO HELP PICK UP TRASH ALONG WATER PLANT ROAD. THEY ARE OUT HERE TO DEFINITELY BE GOOD STEWARDS AND TO BE GOOD NEIGHBOURS.

I DO THINK YOU HEARD CONSISTENTLY HERE THAT THERE IS DEFINITELY A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD ALREADY.

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AND HOW DO WE BALANCE THE DUMP TRUCKS WITH THAT EXISTING TRUCK TRAFFIC? THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME PRECEDENCE BETWEEN THE LOGGING TRUCKS AND THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT'S OUT THERE. I DO THINK THAT THAT 10 0 TRUCKS IS A MAXIMUM. KIND OF LIKE THE CONVERSATION BACK HERE PREVIOUSLY WITH THE EVENT VENUE.

HOW MANY IF YOU ARE GOING TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER. SO I DON'T SEE THE TYPICAL DAILY TRUCK TRIPS HITTING 100 TRUCKS BY ANY MEANS.

HOW WE COME TO SOME UNFAIR TERMS IF THERE'S A REDUCTION IN THAT COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBOURS.

AND AGAIN I DO THINK THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK TO FIND THIS SCHOOL BUS SITUATION. IF THE SCHOOL BOARD IS WILLING AT THE END OF WATER PLANT ROAD, I THINK APPLICANTS WILLING TO HELP CONSTRUCT A TURN AROUND BACK THERE.

TO HELP CONSTRUCT A SHELTER THAT'S AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC.

AWAY FROM THAT INTERSECTION. AWAY FROM THAT INTERCHANGE.

NEGOTIATING THAT THE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IS OBVIOUSLY A BIT OUT OF OUR REALM TO DO TODAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS OR TALK ABOUT HOW THERE'S A CONTRIBUTION MADE TO PROVIDE THAT RECEIVER AND PROVIDE THAT AREA. JUST THE BARE MINIMUM THAT SOME STANDING AREA OUTSIDE OF THE PAVED AREA.

WHEN WE LOOK AT ANY UM PROVEMENTS TO THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION THERE AT WATER PLANT ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 214.

TO MR. OLSEN'S COMMENT ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LANDOWNER, IT SOUND LIKE IT'S BEEN VERY INCONSISTENT COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTHWITH THEM.

THAT'S PART OF THE AGRIHOOD PROPERTY AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

SO IT'S SLATED FOR DEVELOPMENT. I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE SOME HESITATION BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY ARE ENVISIONING FOR THAT. LACK OF DESIRE TO ENTER INTO A NEGOTIATED CONTRACT TO USE THAT ROAD.

THUS THE REQUEST TO USE THE PUBLIC RATIFY.

WITH REGARDS TO THE DUST THE WATER PLANT ROAD IS PAVED.

REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ON THE TRIP BETWEEN WHERE WE EXIT THE TRAIL ROAD AND THE DIRT WILL KIND OF 214 THAT'S ALL PAVE SPOPD WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE GENERATING DUST.

AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.

DUST CONTROL IS MENTIONED IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DUST CONTROL ON THE TRAIL RIDES.

AND THAT IS THEIR INTENT. THE WATER TRUCK WILL MAINTAIN THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THERE. AND THE DEAD END I GUESS THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AGRICULTURAL USES BACK THERE SO IT'S PROBABLY A BIT MISLEADING TO SOME.

BUT TECHNICALLY FROM THE ROAD DESIGN STANDPOINT THERE'S NO THREEWAY THERE SO IT IS A DEAD END BECAUSE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. TO COME UP AND GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES OF HIS BACKGROUND AND EXPLAIN THE CAMERAS A LITTLE

BIT MORE AND HOW THEY MONITOR. >> HOW YA'LL DOING.

MY NAME IS GARRETT SIMS. I LIVE AT 10427 BIRD CAMP ROAD HASTINGS, FLORIDA. I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE, GUYS. I NEVER THOUGHT I'D HAVE TO BE IN THIS SITUATION. BUT I'D DO ANYTHING FOR MY FAMILY AND FOR MY BUSINESS TO TELL YOU GUYS WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.

WE DO THE RIGHT THING EVERY DAY.

NOT TO LOOK BACK AND SAY LOOK AT US, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE. FIRST WE'LL START WITH THE TRUCKS. I AM IN CONTROL OF DISPATCH.

I AM IN CONTROL OF ALL PIT OPERATIONS.

ALL OF OUR TRUCKS ARE E QUIPPED WITH GPS CAMERAS.

WITH THE GPS FUNCTION WE CAN SEE HOW FAST THAT TRUCK'S GOING. IF THE TRUCK DOES HAVE AN EXCESSIVE SPEED OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, I AM NOTIFIED.

I WILL BE THE 24/7 ANY TIME POINT OF CONTACT AT THE DIRT PIT. SO THEREFORE I'M IN CONTROL OF THE TRUCKS AS WELL AS THE PIT OPERATION ITSELF.

THAT PUTS ME THERE FIRSTHAND TO FIX A PROBLEM IF IT WERE TO OCCUR. AS FAR AS THE TRUCKS HAVING A HARD TIME GOING 15 MILE AN HOUR, THAT'S JUST NOT CORRECT.

NOT WITH OUR NEWERER TECHNOLOGY TRUCKS.

MAYBE BACK IN THE DAY MIGHT HAVE BEEN HARD TO KEEP IT AT 15 MILE AN HOUR, BUT WITH STANDARD AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 15 MILE AN HOUR IS NOT HARD TO MAINTAIN THAT SPEED.

AND I WILL GIVE YOU MY WORD ON THAT.

AND IF IT DOES NOT, I'LL BE THERE TO FIX IT.

WE'LL BE NOTIFIED RIGHT AWAY AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

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WE'RE AS GOOD AS IT'S GOING TO GET FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO WORK WITH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY.

I'M A THIRD GENERATION DOING THIS.

WE HOLD A NEIGHBOURHOOD MEETING AND I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY I GIVE MY CELL PHONE NUMBER OUT TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS IT AND YOU CAN CALL ME AT ANY TIME. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT SOUNDS ROUGH WITH A HUNDRED DUMP TRUCKS RUNNING UP AND DOWN YOUR ROAD. WE-- A HUNDRED IS AN APPROXIMATE. AND I SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND ON BEHALF OF MATT WILLING TO DRIVE TO THAT HAVE DOWN 20% JUST TO PROVE A POINT OUR DAILY AVERAGE IS NOT GOING TO BE UP THAT HIGH. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A MAXIMUM ON IT, THEN WE NEED TO PUT A MAXIMUM ON IT SO WE SAID 100 AS A MAXIMUM. BUT WE THINK OUR DAILY AVERAGE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT.

BUT IF WE GOT TO PUT OURER MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS ESSENTIALLY, WE'LL DROP IT DOWN 20% AS A MAXIMUM TO SHOW YOU I DON'T SEE US HITTING THAT ON A REGULAR DAY.

I'LL BE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. OUR TRUCKS, GIVING A ONE STRIKE POLICY. I TOLD EVERYBODY AT THE MEETING. HERE'S MY CELL PHONE NUMBER.

IF A TRUCK ACTS UP, PLEASE CALL ME.

I UNDERSTAND BACK IN 2006 WE HAD SOME ROUGH BOYS OUT THERE IT SOUNDS LIKE. AND THAT'S NOT ME AND I SHOULDN'T BE JUDGED ON THAT. I WAKE UP EVERY DAY AND WORK VERY HARD TO TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY AND I'M NOT GOING TO LET A DUMP TRUCK DRIVER THAT CAN'T OPEN THE RULES GIVE THESE PEOPLE OR MYSELF A HARD TIME. I'LL MAKE IT MY PRYIORITY.

ON THE ROAD DOING TRASH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY HAVE MEASURES PUT IN PLACE FOR DUST CONTROL.

THE KIDS AT THE BUS STOP, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THEM.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. IF WE NEED TO PUT A CONCRETE SIDE THERE OFF TO THE SIDE, LET'S TAKE CARE OF THEM KIDS.

IF THE KIDS ARE OUT THERE AT THE BUS STOP I'LL GIVE THEM A RADIO. HEY DON'T COME DOWN THIS ROAD.

THERE'S YOUNG KID SITTING UP HERE WAITING ON A BUS.

DON'T COME DOWN IT. IT'S ONE PHONE CALL AND I'LL HANDLE IT. WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE A BIG GIANT COMPANY THAT SAYS CALL CORPORATE AND DEAL WITH THEM.

I'LL BE ON SITE. AND ANY OF THESE NEIGHBOURS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT CALL ME DIRECTLY.

I'LL STAND THERE WITH THE KID AT THE BUS STOP IF I GOT TO.

OR WE'LL BUILD THEM A CONCRETE SIDE AND PUT THEM OFF TO THE SIDE TO PROTECT THEM. WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO TAKE CARE OF PIT IT. IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO HAUL DIRT IN ST. AUGUSTINE. THREE GENERATIONS AGO IT WAS EASIER BUT NOT NOW. IT'S HARD.

WE SUPPLY-- I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THE POWER POINT.

THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE WE SUPPLY DIRT TO THE LAY DOWN YARD ON THE BOULEVARD. THEY GOT A PRETTY LARGE ORDER COMING UP HERE SOON. AND THIS DIRT'S COMING FROM A WAYS AWAY. WE'RE AT A GOOD SPOT RIGHT HERE IN MY OPINION. THAT'S GOT SUITABLE MATERIAL FOR THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOLS AND THE PARKS.

YA'LL I HAUL DIRT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOURHOODS.

I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU I DON'T.

PROBABLY HAVE THESE PEOPLE ON THE ROAD I PROBABLY DID ALL THEIR FOUNDATIONS AT SOME POINT.

MY FAMILY. BUT A LOT OF OUR BUSINESS IS NOT COMING FROM ROOFTOPS. IT'S COMING FROM A HUMAN NEED FORKER DIRT WHETHER IT BE A PARK OR A SCHOOL OR A CITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. MAJORITY OF OUR BUSINESS IS NOT RESIDENTIAL WORK. IT'S JUST NEED FOR FILL.

AND THIS LOCATION HAS GOOD FILL IN IT.

AT A GOOD SPOT. IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN THIS ROAD TO GET TO IT. AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR COMPLAINT. I SEE WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM. BUT JUST STAYING HERE LIKE I'LL STAY IN FRONT OF THEM. AND TO FIX IT AND MAKE IT RIGHT AND YOU WON'T FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO A BETTERER JOB THAN WE CAN. I HOPE I'M HITTING ALL THE POINTS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

I TOOK A FEW NOTES AND I CAN GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE THING THAT IS SAID BUT TO SUM IT UP WE'RE HERE FOR THE PEOPLE AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU. WHATEVER KIND OF MEASURES WE HAVE TO GET PUT IN PLACE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THEM IN PLACE RIGHT HERE ON THE FLOOR.

WE'LL BACK IT UP WITH WITH WHAT WE SAY ANY TIME WE NEED TO DO IT. APPRECIATE YA'LL VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT STATEMENT.

MR. GREEN? >> YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRUCKS WITH SOME QUICK MATH.

SO GIVE ME AN IDEA. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE WHETHER YOU'RE MAXED OUT. TO LOAD A TRUCK AND GET THEM

OUT. >> OUT OF THE-- FROM 214?

>> NO IF I PULL INTO THE PIT WITH YOUR TRUCK.

IT GETS FILLED UP AND GETS OUT. WHAT'S THE TURN AROUND TIME?

>> COUPLE MINUTES. >> YOU CAN DO IT IN A COUPLE

MINUTES. >> ABSOLUTELY.

PERSONALLY ME RUNNING THE MACHINE I'LL LOAD THE TRUCK IN

45 SECONDS. >> SO OUT OF A HUNDRED TRUCK IT'S EVERY FIVE MINUTES UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

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>> THERE YOU GO. ON THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF VOLUME POSSIBLE. YOU'RE CORRECT.

YES, SIR. >> WHEN YOU TEAM UP WITH THAT NUMBER I WAS WONDERING OKAY IF THERE'S A TRUCK EVERY FIVE MINUTES. CAN YOU LOAD IT IN FIVE MINUTES? SO YEAH THE MATH WORKS OUT.

>> YES, SIR. AND A HUNDRED IS ON THE-- YA'LL I'LL PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY IF I HAUL A HUNDRED TRUCKS EVERY

DAY LIFE WOULD BE OKAY. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WAS CURIOUS HOW IT WORKERED. >> JUST AS FAR AS LIKE OUR LEASE OR WHATEVER AMOUNT OF TIME REQUESTING TO DIG THIS THING JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA. IF WE WERE TO DO A HUNDRED TRUCKLOADS A DAY, WE WOULD DIG THIS PIT IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS. A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AND A HALF. AND I BELIEVE WE'RE AT LIKE A FIVE-YEAR LEASE IF THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING OUR AVERAGES TO BE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IFS THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> SO ALL THE TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING INNER OWNED BY YOU.

IS THAT CORRECT? DO YOU DO ANY INDEPENDENTS?

>> SO MAJORITY WILL BE HAULED BY US.

I WON'T LIE AND SAY I WON'T HAVE A COUPLE INDEPENDENT SUB CONTRACTED TRUCKS COMING IN. AND AT THAT TIME IF WE DO, YOURS TRULY WILL BE THERE. PRECAUTIONS WILL BE PUT IN PLACE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS TRUCK AND IF I NEED TO HAVE A GPS SYSTEM PUT IN TO THE TRUCKS THAT DO COME IN IT WILL BE HANDLED. WITH TODAY'S MODERN TECHNOLOGY IT'S NOT HARD TO DO THAT. BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU EVERY TRUCK COMING DOWN THE ROAD WILL SAY SIMS. MAJORITY ARE. THE ONES THAT AIN'T ARE HELD TO

A HIGH STANDARD. >> OKAY.

YES, SIR. >> SO WHAT'S YOUR DAILY AVERAGE OF TRUCKS RIGHT NOW THAT USE TRAIL ROAD?

OR DID? >> HAULING OUT OF THERE BEFORE.

DAILY AVERAGE I MEAN-- YOU HAVE YOUR DAYS YOU HAVE NONE AND DAYS OF 50. DAILY AVERAGE 30 TO 40 DEPENDING ON WEATHER. AND WEATHER IS A BIG PART OF

OUR BUSINESS. >> DID YOU SAY-- DID I HEAR THIS CORRECTLY? LIMITED TO 80 TRUCKS PER DAY?

>> IF THAT'S WHAT I GOT TO DO TO PROVE THAT WE WON'T HIT THE MAXIMUM AS OFTEN AS THE NEIGHBOURS ARE THINKING WE ARE,

I'LL DROP IT TO 80, YES, SIR. >> MS. SPIEGEL IS PROBABLY THE LAST ONE TO HAVE A ONE YEAR PERIOD FOR THE WEDDING VENUE OR WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO DO OUT THERE.

WHAT IF WE ASK YOU TO DO A ONE-YEAR PRELIMINARY PERMIT TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES OUT THERE WITH THE RESIDENTS IN ONE YEAR HOW MANY COMPLAINTS THEY'VE HAD.

OR IF YOU'RE ON TOP OF THEM AND ALL THAT.

AND WITH A RENEWAL PERIOD FOR THREE YEARS AFTER THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE'RE THROWING IT OUT THERE.

>> UNDERSTAND. >> I THINK WE COULD TALK TO THE LAND OWNER AND PROBABLY CONSIDER THAT AND MAYBE SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD WANTS IN THEIR DISCUSSION AND COME BACK TO THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> THAT'S FINE. YEAH, SURE.

AND I KNOW SIMS HAS A GOOD REPUTATION.

YA'LL DO. I KNOW THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SENIOR MOMENT BUT YOU SAID AT ONE POINT RAINIER ON THIS PROGRAM.

THEN IT WAS WIREHAUSER AND THEN YOU CALLED TIGHT ROBINSON TRACK AT ONE POINT. SO WHO--.

>> LET ME GET BACK TO THE MAP HERE.

>> WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY WITH THE TRAIL ROAD.

>> THAT IS RAINIER. WELL THE TRAIL ROAD TO THE WEST. AND THAT'S RAINIER PROPERTY.

SO WHAT YOU SEE IN RAINIER IS EVERYTHING IN BLUE ON THE SCREEN. OKAY.

YES, SIR. TO RUN THROUGH.

THAT IS A LAND AS I UNDERSTAND OWNED BY ROBINSON IMPROVEMENT

COMPANY IN QUOTATIONS AGRIHOOD. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT BECAUSE WE HAD A LARGER-- COUPLE YEARS AGO.

YES I THOUGHT THAT WAS ROBINSON PROPERTY.

SO THEY ARE ONES THAT HAVE--. >> THE LAND OWNER HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH WIREHAUSER. THE LANDOWNER TERMINATED THAT AGREEMENT. THE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT FOR THE TRAILROAD WAS WITH WIREHAU SECHLT R AS PART OF THE 2023 NOT WITH THE LANDOWNER. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO WAY TO GET THAT LEASE BACK ON TRAIL ROAD.

>> DOESN'T APPEAR SO WITH THE CURRENT LANDOWNER AFTER THEY--

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NEGOTIATIONS HAVE BEEN VERY INCONSISTENT.

TOUGH TO RUN A BUSINESS WITH THAT WHEN THE LANDOWNERS IN THE

BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT LAND. >> OKAY AND I DON'T WANT TO STOP COMMERCE IN THIS COUNTY AND STAND IN THAT WAY BUT BEFORE WHEN THIS WAS BEFORE US, I WAS REALLY DEAD SET AGAINST WATER PLANT ROAD BEING UTILIZED.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE ON THAT ROAD SEVERAL TIMES AND IT IS NARROW. IT IS REALLY NARROW.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE.

SO WHEN THAT TRAIL ROAD CAME AS A SOLUTION TO IT, I WAS RELIEVED THAT YA'LL WOULD BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ALTHOUGH I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT POLLUTANTS GETTING INTO THE PIT. AND HIGH DRAWLIC AND DIESEL FUEL ULTIMATELY GETTING DOWN TO THE AQUA FER.

WHERE YOU HAVE AN ACTIVE WELL FIELD AND MINING NEXT TO IT.

I WASN'T JUMPING UP AND DOWN ABOUT THAT AS A USE ON THAT PROPERTY. BUT-- WHEN THE TRAIL ROAD CAME ABOUT I WAS HAPPY FOR YA'LL THAT THAT HAPPENED.

SO THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. BECAUSE THAT WATER PLANT ROAD IS REALLY NARROW AND I APPRECIATE YOU TO BE THERE AND HAVE YOUR NUMBER OUT THERE AND BE THE POINT PERSON ON THAT.

THAT'S GOOD. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT.

OKAY, SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS?

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

A LOT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. I KNOW IT'S A NARROW ROAD AND THE AVERAGE DUMP TRUCK IS 8 ½ FEET WIDE AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE MIRRORS UNFORTUNATE LY. SO IT LABBE TIGHT FIT THROUGH THERE SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

FIVE YEARS UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD WILL DO A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE ROADWAY. SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT DAMAGE THAT'S BEING DONE.

INTERSECTIO IMPROVEMENT AT 214, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.

RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR TWO TRUCKS TO GO IN AND OUT OF THAT SAME INTERSECTION.

YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WIDTH SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO CORRECT THE

TURN GOING IN. >> WE CAN PUT A RADIUS ON THAT

YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

AND THE SCHOOL BUS STOP, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.

WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT. DEFINITELY TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> MRS. SPIEGEL? >> HI.

AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL BUS STOP, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS WATER PLANT ROAD SECTION BY THE GATE

ENTRYWAY? >> WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY HOW WIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF 214 AND WATER PLAN, I PROBABLY HAVE MIXED INNER TRAFFIC ENGINEER EMOTIONS ABOUT IT STOPPING DIRECTLY ON 214 VERSUS PULLING OFF. SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF THERE WAS TWO GENRES OF HOW THE SCHOOL BUS STOP COULD LOOK, I WOULD SAY THAT THE FIRST WHEN PROBABLY BE A CONCRETE PAD.

WITH A COVER POURED AT THE INTERSECTION OF 214 AND WATER PLANT ASSUMING THERE'S ENOUGH COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY THERE TO

FACILITATE THAT. >> OKAY BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BUS IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO AND BACK UP AND TURN AROUND.

THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT. YOU HAVE TO BE A CUL-DE-SAC.

>> AT THE END OF WATER PLANT ROAD WE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSTRUCT WHATEVER RADIUS AND TURNOFF AND PROBABLY A MORE STRUCTURAL FACILITY. GAZEBO TYPE OR SOMETHING TO HANG OUT IF YOU WILL AT THE END OF WATERPLANT ROAD THERE.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT BEING MORE SUBSTANTIAL OF A SCHOOL BUS STOP IF IT'S AT THE END OF WATER PLANT ROAD.

BUT PROBABLY A PAD AND A STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY AT THE INTERSECTION OF 214.

TO DISCUSS WITH THE SCHOOLSCOMBORD TALK ABOUT ROUTING AND BUS ROUTING AND BUS DRIVER PREFERENCE OR HOW THAT

WORKS. >> I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR THE COUNTY, BUT I JUST-- IT'S HORRIBLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THOSE HOMEOWNERS.

IT'S THE VIBRATION, THE NOISE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN IF YOU SAID 80 TRUCKS THAT'S STILL 160 TRIPS A DAY.

ONE EVERY THREE MINUTES IF YOU HAD A HUNDRED OR 200 TRIPS A DAY. THAT'S HORRIBLY DISRUPTIVE TO JUST QUALITY OF LIFE. I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME JUST WITH THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS CODE IN HERE. I KNOW YOU'RE CON VEINED AND LANDLOCKED IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE HAS TO BE A DIFFERENT WAY

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THAN GOING DOWN SOMEONE'S ROAD. >> EVEN THE PARCEL TO THE EAST WE'RE BOUND IT'S ALL CONSERVATION EASEMENT.

SO EVEN IF WE WERE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH ANOTHER LANDOWNER, WE'RE BOUND BY CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ON THE

EAST OF US THERE. >> OKAY HOW ABOUT TO THE NORTH TRAVELLING ON WATER PLANT ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY? IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S MAYBE SOMETHING YOU CAN CUT OVER TO. IS THERE CONSERVATION EASEMENT

UP THERE AS WELL? >> I THINK THAT THAT-- YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY LENGTHENS THE-- HOLLOW OUT TO COUNTY ROAD 214 THERE. I MEAN NOT TO 16.

208 AND THEN 16. YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVE ALL KIND OF COMMENTS TO MAKE BUT I'M NOT GOING TO-- WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME WITH THEM.

>> MR. LABANOWSKI. >> THE EASEMENT OR RIGHT OF WAY TO THE EAST SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE OF WATER PLANT ROAD THERE.

30 FEET OF EDGES OF ROADWAY WHICH IS TO COUNTY PROPERTY.

SO THERE IS ROOM THERE TO PUT IN A SHELTER SOMEWHERE ALONG THERE. THE OTHER THING I FORGOT TO MENTION IS COMING ONTO THE DIRT ROAD ONTO THE PAVED ROOT.

HOW OFTEN DO YOU CLEAN THAT? REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO.

WILL YOU CLEAN THAT DAILY OR HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT?

>> IT WOULD BE MORE THAN DAILY. I PROMISE.

I HAVE SOME ADA MAPS AND SOME ENTIRE-- SPIKE RUBBER SPIKES ON IT. IT WOULD BE BLOWN OFF MORE THAN

DAILY. >> MR. GREEN, SOREY.

>> YEAH WHAT WAS THE IMPROVEMENT ON 214 YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? AND IT WILL SOUND LIKE FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBOURHOOD COMMENT PS THAT THE INTERSECTION OF WATER PLANT ROAD AND 214 IS A STRAIGHT T OF PAVEMENT. THERE'S NO RADIUS IN THERE.

SO WE WOULD DO WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO UPGRADE THE STANDARDERS. I'M REALLY SURPRISED THAT THE FENCING COMPANY HAS SUCH RESTRICTIONS.

TEN TRIPS THAT THE COUNTY NEGOTIATED WITH THEM FOR 18 MONTHS. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT FROM 2023. THAT INFORMATION BEING REVEALED TO US. BUT I BELIEVE IT.

THE FACTS THAT THEY CAN ONLY HAVE TEN ROUND TRIPS PER DAY WITH A MUCH SMALLER TRUCK. THAT'S PRETTY TELLING.

AND I WAS SURPRISED THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE MORE IN OUR PACKET ABOUT POSSIBLE RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS.

ON YA'LL. MR. GREEN, GO RIGHT AHEAD HERE.

>> I'LL PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT MR. SIMS WANTS EITHER.

THIS IS THE CARD THAT HE GOT DEALT.

THE NEIGHBOURS DON'T WANT IT. I TOTALLY GET THAT.

WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF DIRT IN THIS COUNTY.

AND TO FIND THE RIGHT TYPE OF DIRT AND THE RIGHT LOCATION, WITH 6 PLUS A GALLON DIESEL FUEL, IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE GET DIRT IN THIS COUNTY MOVING AGAIN.

IT IS A REAL PROBLEM. MOTION TOY PROVE WATER PLANT ROAD BORROW PIT BASED ON 14 CONDITIONS AND SIX FINDINGS OF F FACT.

COUPLE OF CONDITIONS IS MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TRUCKS TO 80.

WHICH I THINK YOU'RE AGREEALE ON.

SOME TYPE OF A SCHOOL PAD LOCATION DEPENDS ON RIGHT OF WAY. PROPERTY OWNERS.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT. BUT I'M SURE YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU HAVE A GREAT ENGINEER.

THE OTHER THING I WNT TO DO IS SOME TYPE OF A RADIUS ON 214 TO

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BE ADDED. AND THAT'S UP TO-- OUR ENGINEERING AND THE COUNTY. BUT THAT'S MY MOTION.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. GREEN. SECOND BY MISPERKINS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.

>> THE CONCEPT OF A ONE YEAR PERMIT ALLOWING A TEST AND REVIEW PERIOD BEFORE EXTENSION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT-- THAT WAS SUGGESTED IN THE DISCUSSION AND I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE GOOD. WE'RE ALL SPECULATING ON WHAT THE TRUE IMPACTS SOME OF THIS WILL BE TO THE NEIGHBOURS ON

THAT ROAD. >> I CAN TELL YOU HE'S NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW.

>> TWO YEARS? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY.

IT'S FILLED BACK UP WITH WATER. THERE'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO GET IT BACK OPER OPERATIONAL. SO I WOULD SAY TWO OR 2 ½ YEARS 30 MONTHS WOULD BE A FAIR-- LET THEM GET BACK UP AND RUNNING.

>> I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPENSE.

>> YES, SIR. IF WE'RE BUILDING A SCHOOL BUS STOP AND A COUNTY DRIVEWAY OUT THERE.

OTHER OPERATIONAL COSTS OF GOOD WILL, IF YOU WILL.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE DESIRE WOULD DEFINITELY BE THE FIVE-YEAR TERM TO TRY TO OFFSET THOSE EXPENSES.

BUT I THINK WE WOULD NEED AT LEAST 30 MONTHS.

>> WOULD 30 MONTHS HELP A LITTLE BIT?

>> I THINK IT WOULD HELP. HOW LONG HAVE YA'LL BEEN SHUT

DOWN? >> EIGHT MONTHS ALMOST.

>> IT TOOK THIS LONG TO GET BEFORE US?

>> WE LOOKED AT FEW OTHER OPTIONS AND TRIED TO NEGOTIATE BEFORE WE CAME TO THIS. TRIED TO TALK TO OTHER LANDOWNERS. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO PUBLIC WORKS. THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO GET

THROUGH THE FACTORS. >> SO DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER

BORROW PITS YA'LL USE? >> DESIGNED ONE FOR THEM DOWN IN FLAGLER COUNTY THEY ARE OPERATING OUT OF RIGHT NOW.

>> HOW ABOUT THAT ONE ON 305 SOUTH OF 206?

>> NO, SIR. >> TOUGH.

OKAY. >> OKAY WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION AND A SECOND. SO THAT WITH 30 MONTH PERIOD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S GET THE VOTING SCREEN UP.

IT'S NOT COMING UP. OKAY.

[4. ZVAR 2026-07 Steinberg Residence (5349 Atlantic View). Request for a Zoning Variance to Table 6.01 of the Land Development Code to allow for a Front Yard setback of 23 feet in lieu of the required 25 feet to accommodate the installation of an aluminum patio cover over the existing third-floor deck in Residential, Single-Family (RS-3) zoning. ]

OKAY THAT PASSES 4-2. ALL RIGHT LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER 4. WHICH IS-- I HOPE EASIER.

OH SECOND MOTION SORRY. THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER 2.

OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 3.

THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE SAME MOTION APPLIES TO

THAT. >> CORRECT.

SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? 2026 WATER PLANT BASED ON THE 19 CONDITIONS. INCLUDING THE ADDITIONS TO THE FIRST MOTION. WHICH WAS SCHOOL PAY-- PAD FOR THE SCHOOL IMPROVEMENT ON THE ROAD IN A TIME LIMIT ON THE

MONTHS. >> OKAY, MOTION.

WE HAVE ONE. ALL RIGHT MOTION BY MR. GREEN.

SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT ALL IN FAVOR. LET'S VOTE.

OKAY ALSO PASSES 4-2. ONTO ITEM NUMBER FOUR A ZONING VARIANCE. JEFFREY NEFF.

WE NEED EXPARTE MR. LABANOWSKI? >> YES, I VISITED THE SITE AND

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I HAVE FOUR E-MAILS. >> MS. SPIEGEL.

>> YES I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION AND E-MAILS FROM

SEVERAL NEIGHBOURS. >> AND MR. OLSON?

>> VISITED THE SITE. FIVE E-MAILS.

>> OKAY I RECEIVED SEVERAL E-MAILS ALSO.

I WAS GOING TO DRIVE BY IT LAST NIGHT AFTER A PARTY, AND IT WAS JUST TOO LATE. AND I DIDN'T DO IT.

SO SORRY. O OKAY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS SIR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. MY NAME IS JEFFREY NEFF WITH BETTER EXTERIOR SOLUTIONS HERE REPRESENTING A CLIENT ON THEIR BEHALF AT 5349 ATLANTIC VIEW. WHAT WE'VE BASICALLY REQUESTED HERE IS THEY HAVE AN EXISTING DECK THAT'S A SECOND FLOOR DECK AND THEY HAVE A THIRD FLOOR DECK.

SECOND FLOOR DECK IS CURRENTLY COVERED BY THE THIRD FLOOR DECK. AND WE WANT TO ADD A SIMPLE COVER TO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT ON THE THIRD FLOOR DECK.

THE ISSUE THAT WE RAN INTO WITH THE COUNTY IS THAT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE FRONT STREET TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS AT 25 FEET. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH A 23 FOOT SETBACK.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DID.

WE DIDN'T BUILD THE HOUSE. WE'RE ASKING TO COVER A DECK THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY.

REALIZE THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S-- A VARIANCE REQUEST IN PLACE.

NOT BEING IN CLOSED LIVING SPACES SIMP LAY COVERING A THIRD FLOOR. WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE ISR BY ANY MEANS. WE'RE LIMITING THIS TO THE FRONT YARD. AND NOT THE REAR BECAUSE OF THE POOL BEING IN THE BACKYARD. JUST ASKING FOR SOME RELIEF.

SMALL A LOT THE DECK IS ALREADY THERE.

TRYING TO PROVIDE PROTECTION. KITCHEN AND DINING ROOM LIVING ROOM ON THE THIRDFLOOR AS WE ALL KNOW.

PRETTY HOT THERE DURING THE DAY.

AND SO SHE'S REALLY NOT ABLE TO USE THE SPACE VERY COMFORTABLY AS SHE WOULD LIKE. AND SHE'S ASKEDTOUS COME IN AND PUT THIS COVER IN. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY ADVERSE CHANGE TO THE LAND. LIKE I SAID.

WITH THE INTEGRATING RESIDENCE. THINK IT WILL BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE HOUSE. THIS DOES ALLOW FOR REASONABLE WEATHER PROTECTION OVER THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DECK.

WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING A FOOTPRINT IN ANY WAY.

THIS IS ALUMINUM CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL ROT AND FADEAWAY.

WE'RE NOT BUILDING THIS OUT OF PVC AND PLASTIC.

THE WIN LOADS FOR EVERYTHING. THE ONLY ISSUE WE RAN INTO THIS IS SIMPLY THAT THE HOUSE IS PUT IN THE WRONG SPOT.

AND WE DIDN'T DO THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> I GUESS A COMMENT AND A QUESTION.

THE APPLICANT DID NOT RESPOND IN THE PROPOSAL AS TO MAKING THE CASE. UNDUE HARDSHIP TO NEED TO BUILD THIS COVER INTO THE SETBACK. STILL WANTING TO HEAR WHAT KIND OF UNDUE HARDSHIP THERE IS. THIS IS COVERED AREA, DECK ON THE SECOND LEVEL. COVERED BY THE DECK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE OTHER QUESTION MY ZBIS WOULDN'T NEED TO BE HERE IF YOU BUILT THAT ROOF OVER THIS DECK.

WITHIN TWO FEET SHORT OF THE EDGE OF THE DECK.

I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO.

TO TRY TO MAKE A CASE THAT I THINK IS HARD TO MAKE.

IT'S UNDUE HARDSHIP TO NOT EVEN DO-- HAVE TO DO THAT.

>> SO LIKE STATED IN THE REQUEST OF INFORMATION.

THE FRAMING WOULD BE TWO FEET---ER THE QUESTION CAME

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BACK FROM THE COUNTY AS TO THE ROOFLINE.

SO THE FRAMING IS BUILT IN FACT TWO FEET SMALLER THAN THE DECK FOOTPRINT. THE ROOF ITSELF THAT SITS ON THE FRAMING WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.

>> OKAY THEN I'LL REVISE MY QUESTION.

WHY CAN'T THE ROOFLINE STOP WHERE THE FRAMING IS.

>> TO INTEGRATE A GUTTER SYSTEM TO ALLOW FOR PROPER DRAINAGE

OFF OF THE DECK RATHER THAN ON. >> THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO

DIRECT THE WATER OFF THE ROOF. >> NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR

APPLICATION. >> WELL THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION.

AND A POSSIBLE MOTION. MR. OLSON.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ZONING VARIANCE 2026-09.

OH, WHEN DID THIS ARRIVE? OKAY, THANK YOU.

MOTION TO DENY ZONING VARIANCE 2026-07 BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SIX CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY.

IS THERE A SECOND? SEEING NO SECOND.

THAT MOTION FAILS. ALL RIGHT WE'LL TRY ANOTHER MOTION. MS. PERKINS?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2026-07 STEIN BERG RESIDENCE BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SIX CONDITIONS AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

SECOND BY MS. SPIEGEL TO APPROVE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT A VOTING SCREEN PLEASE. THAT PASSES 5-1.

[5. MAJMOD 2026-09 Durbin Park. Request for a Major Modification to the Durbin Park Planned Unit Development (Ordinance 2020-20) to add a maximum 330 Single Family Residential units as an allowed use within Mixed-Use Parcel E (AKA East Parcel), located on the eastern side of Interstate 95, to modify residential setbacks within the East Parcel, and to reduce the maximum number of Multi-family Residential units allowed from 2,265 to 1,520. ]

OKAY NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

PRE PRESENTER ELLEN AVERY SMITH A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO DURBIN PARK AND WE NEED EXPARTE.

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> VERY LIMITED ACCESS TO IT.

AND ALSO TALK BRIEFLY WITH MS. SMITH.

>> MR. GREEN? >> ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COU COUNCIL.

>> MS. SPIEGEL? >> THEY SAY I OPTED TO NOT TRY TO VISIT-- I DO HAVE AN IN-PERSON AND A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH MS. SMITH. AND SUZANNE AND I HAVE A

CONVERSATION ABOUT TNDS. >> YES I HAD A VOICE MAIL AND MS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND I DID NOT RETURN BECAUSE I DID NOT

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THE TIME. >> YES HI A CALL FROM MS. AVERY SMITH YESTERDAY AND WE SPOKE BRIEFLY.

>> I ALSO HAD A CALL YESTERDAY FROM ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND WE

SPOKE BRIEFLY. >> THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M ELLEN AVERY SMITH. ROGERS TOWERS AT ST. AUGUSTINE AND I APPRECIATE YOU TALKING TO ME ON THE PHONE FROM TIME TO TIME SINCE IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN YOU.

SO JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE D DURBIN PARK P.O.D. WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2020. WITH ME TODAY FROM DURBAN CREEK NATIONAL THE PROPERTY OWNER IS MISSY SKIPPER AND THE SEVERAL ENGINEERING PLANNING LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRM IS PRIME AND SHAUN BLISS IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT TND AND THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND MY KNOWLEDGE.

JUST FOR ORIENTATION, THIS APPLICATION ONLY PERTAINS TO WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE EAST PARCEL OF DURBIN PARK.

SO THAT'S EAST OF I95 AND YOU SEE THAT PROPERTY LOCATED FROM THE SHADED OR HATCHED AREA AGAIN EAST OF I95 ONLY.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE CONFIGURATION OF DURBAN PARK IN JUST A MINUTE. AGAIN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF DURBIN PARK GOES TO-- EXTENDS TO THE WEST SIDE OF I95. BUT AGAIN FOR THIS PURPOSE OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN THE YELLOW THAT'S INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. THE SAME WITH THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WE'RE ONLY AMENDING THE PROPERTY THAT IS OUTLINED

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OR HIGHLIGHTED IN THE YELLOW ON THIS MAP.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JURISDICTION WHAT WE'VE DEFINED IN THE P.U.D. MODIFICATION AS THE EAST PARCEL IS 295 ACRES THAT WAS OUTLINED IN THOSE MAPS.

ALL LOCATED EAST OF I95. THE CURRENT PERMITTED USES ON THAT PROPERTY INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE. SO IT'S-- THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT.

ALL WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ADD A NEW USE.

AN ADDITIONAL USE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL-- ONLY WITHIN THIS PORTION OF DURBIN PARK.

NOT WITHIN THE PORTION LOCATED WEST OF I95.

IN EXCHANGE FOR THE PROPOSED NEW SINGLE FAMILY UNITS THE OWNER HAS AGREED TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS BY 745. SO THAT'S A REDUCTION FROM 2265 UNITS TO 1520. SO WE DID THAT BASED ON TRIP GENERATION BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE NO NEW TRANSPORTATION TRIPS GENERATED FROM THE PROJECT.

AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS A STUDY THAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE AND FOR A COMPANION APPLICATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THIS PROPERTY. THAT SHOWS THAT THERE IS A 50% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY EAST OF I95. SO THAT TRAFFIC REPORT IS IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. SO AGAIN GOING TO THE EAST PARCEL, THIS SINGLE FAMILY USE IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT STONE COMMUNITY. WHEN WE CAME TO YOUR BOARD AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION FOR SIX YEARS AGO UNBELIEVABLY STONE CRUST DID NOT EXIST. NOW IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME, PUTTING SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NOW EXISTING STONE CREST COMMUNITY. AND MULTIFAMILY USES AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY. CONVENTIONAL OR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBOURHOOD DESIGN. ONLY IN THE EAST PARCEL.

SO GOING TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALL THE PAGES YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRETY OF DURBIN PARK.

THE ONLY PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE ALL OF DURBIN PARK.

HERE IS I95 WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES OVER HERE. THIS IS WHY I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT BECAUSE I CAN'T DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE.

BUT YOU GET IT. BUT ANYWAY.

WE'LL PROCEED ON. AGAIN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS ARE JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS FOR THE PROPERTIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE'RE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING ANYTHING APPLYING TO THE PROPERTY WEST OF I95. THIS IS THE PROPERTY BETWEEN I95 AND STATE ROAD 9B THAT IS NOT BEING AFFECTED BY THIS APPLICATION. BUT ARE PROVIDING YOU WITH THE ENTIRE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

AND THEN THE PROPERTY EAST OF I95 YOU SEE AGAIN.

THON MIXED USE AREA. IT SAYS IN PARCEL D YOU NOTICE THERE'S NO SINGLE FAMILY ADDED. IT'S THIS MIXED USE PARCEL E WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY ADDED. WELL I CAN'T TOUCH IT.

ANYWAY. YOU SEE SINGLE FAMILY.

BELOW MIXED USE PARCEL E THE LASTITE SYSTEM SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THE OTHER USES REMAIN LISTED ON THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BECAUSE THERE ARE HOMES LOCATED ON THESE LOTS NOW. BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE GENTLEMAN WHO SENT THE E-MAIL IS CONCERNED ABOUT A LARGE OAK TREE. AND YOU SEE THE LARGE OAK TREE BUBBLED IN IN THIS MAP. YOU SEE MOST OF THAT LARGE OAK TREE AND ITS CANOPY IS LOCATED WITHIN STONE CREST.

A LITTLE BIT OF THE TREE CANOPY HANGS OUT INTO THE PERIMETER BOUNDARY THAT WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED WITHIN DURBIN PARK.

AND SO YOU SEE THAT IN THE GREEN AREA ATTACHED.

SO YOU SEE THE PROPOSED 35 FOOT BUFFER AND SO YOU SEE IT SAYS APPROXIMATE TREE CANOPY AND DRIP LINE.

JUST A LITTLE PORTION OVERHANGS DURBIN PARK BUT AGAIN IT'S IN THE BUFFER 35 FOOT BUFFER AREA. SO THAT TREE WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THIS EAST P PARCEL. SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PUD AND MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION AGAIN. EXPERTS HERE.

ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION TRACE ROLLERSON THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER

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MR. QINGULAR IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY SO TRACE SHEER IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT MR. OLSON. >> A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO PARCEL E IS TO BECOME A-- WHAT IS NOW-- BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSAL.

WHAT IS NOW COME TO BE KNOWN AS TRADITIONAL NEIGHBOURHOOD DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> IT CAN BE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR STAFF REPORT AND THERE IS PUD TEXT. AND I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IT UP

ON THE OVERHEAD. >> SO IT WON'T BE TOTALLY DEVELOPED AS A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBOURHOOD.

>> NO THERE'S AN OPTION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUD TEXT.

LET ME LOOK AT THIS PAGE NUMBER.

I HAVE TO TAKE THE STAFF REPORT APART.

>> LET'S JUST TAKE NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME.

HOW MANY HOMES WILL BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE TND

CONCEPT? >> WELL-- SO THIS PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH EITHER SINGLE FAMILY CONVENTIONAL OR SINGLE FAMILY TND. OR-- MULTIFAMILY CONVENTIONAL OR MULTIFAMILY TND. SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, UNDER THE PUD THERE CAN BE 300 SINGLE FAMILY HOERMS 3330 CONVENTIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

OR THERE CAN BE A MIXTURE. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SINGLE

FAMILY SHOMES 333. >> SO THE DIMENSIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE REVISED-- DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES I GUESS.

THOSE WOULD ONLY APPLY OF COURSE TO THE TND PORTION.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WILL BE TND VERSUS CONVENTIONAL.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. AND IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 20 OF THE P.U. D. THE HIGH BULK IN PLACE.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHICH IS I CALL CONVENTIONAL.

AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY--. ALLOWED IN THIS PROPERTY.

>> OKAY SO I GUESS MY QUESTION. WHATEVER AMOUNT OUR TND, THIS SITE IS VERY CONSTRICTED. THERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF TND ARRANGEMENTS OF NEIGHBOURHOODS IN OUR COUNTY.

BUT THEY ARE ALL IN MUCH LARGER LOTS.

THEY DO HAVE THE FEATURES THAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO.

THE REAR GARAGE ACCESS, ALL OF THAT.

BUT THEY ARE NOT ON LOTS OF THE SIZE THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION. SO I GUESS I HAVE A BIG QUESTION FIRST HOW PARKING WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED.

WOULD THESE BE ONE CAR GARAGES ON THE TND PORTION OR NOT?

>> I'M GOING TO HAVE-- TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE IS THE

CREATIVE SIDE OF OUR TEAM. >> SHAUN BLISS-- 13-- MEADOW PARK DRIVE. SO COULD YOU-- RE-ASK YOUR

QUESTION? >> I GUESS WE REALLY DON'T KNOW IN THE MODIFICATION. WHAT PORTION WILL BE GIVEN OVER TO A TNV NEIGHBOURHOOD. I'M JUST SORT OF PROBING FOR WHAT-- HOW THESE GUIDELINES PROCEED INTO ACTUAL REALITY.

YOUR DIMENSIONS YOU'RE PROPOSING AND SIZE FOR THE TND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT, 3200 SQUARER FEET.

IT'S A VERY SMALL PARCEL. HOW YOU WOULD MANAGE TO GARAGE AND WOULD THEY ALL BE REAR LE ACCESS.

AND WILL THEY BE-- ONE OR TWO CAR GARAGES.

COULD DISCUSS PARKING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> YEAH PARKING. FIRST OF ALL THE WIED STH 40 FEET. PARKING IS TYPICALLY AS YOU ARTICULATED. TO THE REAR FUNCTION.

ACCESS THROUGH AN ALLEY. CERTAINLY TWO-CAR GARAGES.

CERTAINLY THINGS LIKE THE PATTERN AFLOURS ON STREET PARKING. SO THERE'LL BE ON STREET

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PARKING TOO. TYPICALLY.

>> OKAY BECAUSE IN THE REAR, UNLIKE THE ONES THAT EXAMPLES I LOOKED AT. THE REAR GARAGE DOESN'T HAVE IN YOUR PROPOSAL A LOT OF APRON SPACE.

SO IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PARK A CAR IN THAT APRON.

>> YES YOU'D HAVE TO BE IN THE GARAGE.

>> IMPRACTICAL USE ABOUT WHAT I WOULD SAY 30% OF THE GARAGES IN THIS COUNTY ARE REMOTE STORAGE. RATHER THAN PARKING A CAR BECAUSE OF THE COSTS AND INCONVENIENCE OF REMOTE STORAGE. SO I'M JUST SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH PARKING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TYPICALLY.

AND THIS IS NOT A NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF WALKING TO ANYWHERE. GOING TO BE A VERY CAR DEPENDANT NEIGHBOURHOOD. AND IF YOU HAVE A THREE BERM HOME, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPECT AND PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO VEHICLES AT THAT HOME. SO I DPES I'M CONCERNED ABOUT

THAT. >> YEAH, WE'LL SAY WE COULD-- AND MAYBE NOW IS NOT THE TIME. BUT WE COULD DISCUSS SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE DEPTH OF THAT LOT.

THE MINIMUM DEPTH IF WE NEEDED TO.

>> OKAY. COULD YOU CITE SOME EXAMPLES OF

MODELS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? >> YEAH.

I THINK YOU MENTION IN THE COUNTY THAT THERE IS NOT A L LOT-- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MEANT WIDTH OR DEPTH.

>> MAIN STREET AREA. >> YEAH MAIN STREET AREA.

THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD-- YOU KNOW, ANALOG.

I CAN PROBABLY CITE SOME PRETTY STRONG EXAMPLES IN VALENCIA IN THE VILLAGE CENTRE IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE.

>> I THINK RIVER WALK IS A LOT OF THE CLASSIC TND FEATURES.

THE SHADE TREES. A LOT OF SHADE TREES.

AND I NOTE THIS PROPOSAL GOES TO-- THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE A LOT OF SHADE. THE FRONT PORTIONS ARE A BIG

DEAL. >> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT

OF NEW URBANISM. >> THE LARGER APRONS WITH THE

GARAGE TOO. >> AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE A

MIXTURE OF THAT HERE. >> AND THOSE LOTS ARE MUCH LARGER THAN 3200 SQUARE FEET. BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT THAT EXAMPLE. BUT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE. BECAUSE RIVERTOWN, THAT SECTION, THE MAIN STREET SECTION THAT'S TNE ORIENTED AND IN FACT A LOT OF RIVERTOWN HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF USABLE PUBLIC SPACE. HUGE AMOUNT.

AND IT SORT OF DRAWS TO THINK AND KNOW THAT A TND NEIGHBOURHOOD REALLY HAS TO BE LOOKED AT AS A NEIGHBOURHOOD TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE INDIVIDUAL SMALL CONTRADICTED PARCELS WERE-- BECAUSE THAT LAND AREA IS REALLY NOT TO JAM MORE HOUSING ONTO A PARCEL OF LAND. IT'S TO CHANGE THE SHARE OF LAND THAT'S PRIVATE TO PUBLIC. AND THAT BECOMES PUBLIC SPACE.

AGAIN I KNOW RIVERTOWN IS WHAT BUILT IN 2008.

IT'S NOT NEW BUT IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

I GUESS IN SUMMARY, IN JUST MY TIME OF ASKING QUESTIONS.

I THINK IT'S-- I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS ARE BEING REDUCED THAT THE MODIFICATION WILL NOT BE ADDING ADDITIONAL TRIPS. BUT IT'S HARD TO EVALUATE ANY FURTHER WITHOUT SEEING A MORE DETAILED PLAN.

AND I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT BEEN DONE AT THIS STAGE.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN ADD THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE IDEAS ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT WORK.

A PARKERING NIGHTMARE? >> WELL I MENTIONED THE ON STREET PARKING. I THINK THE APRONS THAT YOU MENTIONED. AT THE REAR OF THE LOT AND THE ALLEY CONDITION. I THINK THAT WILL REMAIN.

I'LL BE HONEST I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW PEOPLE STORE THEIR WARES IN

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THEIR GARAGE. I DO THINK THAT PALENCIA AND I THINK TO A CERTAIN DEGREE RIVERTOWN, YOU DO SEE THAT SAME CONDITION. YOU SEE A SHORTER APRON AND YOU SEE A GARAGE CONDITION THAT APPROACHES.

THE REAR LOT LINE SIMILAR. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GARAGE STORAGE AND I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ALLUDING TO IS THE LACK OF A LONGER DRIVEWAY WHERE PEOPLE SOMETIMES PARK ON THEIR DRIVEWAY IN A FRONT LOADED CONDITION, RIGHT.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BUT THE CONDITION EXISTS.

TYPICALLY. AND I SEE A LOT OF URBANISM.

A TYPICAL THING. YOU GO TO SEASIDE AND ANY-- I THINK WHEREVER URBANISM HERE IN TOWN.

THE PANHANDLE. I THINK THAT'S-- PRETTY STANDARD. BUT I THINK-- I WILL SAY, THAT THE BEAUTY OF THE URBANISM TND IS INTERCHANGEABLE.

IS THE LACK OF A FRONT GARAGE AND IT FREES UP THE STREET TO FUNCTION AS PUBLIC SPACE IN THE PUBLIC REALM.

BUT ALSO-- THAT EVER IMPORTANT STREET PARKING.

AND THAT IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE AND NOT SET WAY BACK. GARAGE IN FRONT.

OTHER THAN IT'S SALTED IN THROUGH THE APPLICATION.

BUT UNCERTAIN AS TO HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BUILT IN THAT MATTER. ULTIMATELY PROPOSED.

I GUESS IT'S UP TO COUNTY STAFF TO HAVE TO REVIEW THAT WITH

YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE-- MR. OLSON I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. BUT THESE I WOULD POINT OUT ALSO, THESE ARE MINIMUM LOT SIZES.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT EVEN A TND HOME FROM BEING ON A BIGGER LOT. THESE ARE JUST MINIMUMS.

>> OKAY. AND I GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION-- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO-- POPULATE THE SITE AT ANY POINT.

>> APPARENTLY PERMITTED USE AFTER JANUARY 1ST.

OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

>> MRS. SPIEGEL? >> WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT SETBACKS AND TALKING ABOUT JUST IN THOSE PARTICULAR TND PARCELS. TO NOT HAVE IT BE SO LIMITED.

WAIVER FOR SETBACKS. AND JUST ON THE CORNERS OR EDGES WHERE IT'S PUBLIC COMMON AREA.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT COMMERCIAL RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. BUT IN YOUR NDP AND THE RED LINE ANYWAY. SECTION H.

ALL STRUCTURE A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF TEN FEET ON THE OUTER WALL AND THAT WAS NOT REDLINED OUT.

SO IS THAT JUST FOR COMMERCIAL? OR IS THAT FOR ALL STRUCTURES WITHIN THE PUD? IT'S ON PAGE 21 OF YOUR

REDLINED NDP. >> AND THAT WOULD BE TRUE BECAUSE TND IF YOU HAVE THE SIDE YARDS OF TND ARE FIVE FEET. SO IF YOU HAVE FIVE FEET AND

FIVE FEET THAT'S TEN FEET. >> FOR EACH OKAY.

SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING-- I DON'T KNOW I GUESS WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD ABOUT THAT.

I'M NOT 100% SURE HOW THAT WORKS.

AND I'M SURE I HAVE A CO-MEMBER WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTELLIGENTLY.

AND THEN THE PARK IS A QUESTION FOR ME ALSO.

SINGLE FAMILY IS THIS DETACHED OR IS THIS POSSIBLY TOWN HOMES.

I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NAIR.

>> SINGLE FAMILY UNDER THE ST. JOHN'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS DETACHED. SO ANY TOWN HOMES WOULD BE CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY. MULTIFAMILY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THIS PARCEL.

>> AND I DID SEE THAT-- OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL-- PASS ONTO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS?

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SEEING NONE OPENING UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYWHERE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I GUESS WE KNOW WHAT ITEM YA'LL ARE HERE FOR.

ALL RIGHT. COME ON DOWN.

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS JOSH HILLMER I'M LOT 51 ON THE BACK CORNER OF STONE CREST.

COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MY WHOLE NEIGHBOURHOOD WAS WONDERING IS EXACTLY WHERE ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES VERSUS THE 200 MULTIFAMILY. GOING TO BE PLACED.

ON THE PROPERTY AND HOW DRAINAGE WILL BE HANDLED FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY. BECAUSE WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. DURING SOME OF THESE REALLY HEAVY STORMS. WE'RE HAVING ISSUES ALREADY.

LOOKS INTO THE CITIES EARLY COUNTIES DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. SO-- BIGGEST WHERE SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS UP TO HUNDRED FOOT MULTIFAMILY. THAT'S THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE.

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM BR WE GET AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?

I HOPE FOR AVERY SMITH? >> GIVE ME ONE MINUTE.

THERE IS TEXT IN THE PUD THAT IS NOT CHANGING.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT FOR PARCEL E, I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT STONE CREST DID NOT EXIST.

WHEN WE REZONE THIS PROPERTY. IT HAS BECOME SUBSEQUENT TO THIS APPROVAL. MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN A PERMITTED USE ON THIS PROPERTY. SINCE 2020.

LET ME LOOK IN THE PUD TEXT BECAUSE THERE ARE SECTIONS ON BUILDING HEIGHT. YOU FOUND IT FASTER THAN I DID.

THANK GOODNESS. ON ACTUAL.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING RELATED TO BUILDING HEIGHT FOR MULTIFIT FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, IT CAN BE UP TO 100 FEET.

BUT THERE ARE FOOTNOTES. SO HOLD ON.

NOTES FOR APPLY TO IT. NOTE AND NOTE FIVE.

BUT NOTE FIVE SAYS NO BUILDING TALLER THAN 45 FEET AND HEIGHT SHALL BE LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF RACETRACK ROAD.

I DON'T BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN 200 FEET OF RACETRACK ROAD. SO THAT DOES NOT APPLY.

A FEET OF THAT ALREADY. >> OKAY WHAT ABOUT DRAINAGE.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? I'M SURE THE STANDARD COUNTY REVIEW OF DRAINAGE.

ALWAYS HERE. YOU CAN'T RUN WATER ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. THAT NEVER HAPPENS.

CAN'T HAPPEN. BUT YET WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. ONTO SOMEONE ELSE'S.

THIS PROPERTY HAS SOME CONSIDERABLE WETLANDS.

NOT ONLY COUNTY. ST. JOHN'S RIVERER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WITH RESPECT TO WETLANDS AND DRAINAGE.

THAT'S THE LAW. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PUD THAT CAN WAIVE THAT. TO THE PARTY IF YOU WILL.

THEY HAD TO COMPLY WITH STORM WATER REGULATIONS OF THE COUNTY AND THE DISTRICT AND THIS PROPERTY WILL TOO.

>> OKEY-DOKE. >> ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK TO THESE ITEMS. NO.

ALL RIGHT. OH WE HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR COMMENTS.

SO JUST HOLD ON. MR. GREEN?

>> I'M JUST READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> TWO OTHER PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU.

BEFORE THAT. THEY MAY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TOO. IF THEY DO YOU'RE ON TAP.

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE MULTIFAMILY.

IS THERE A PROPOSED LAYOUT THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE LAYOUT, CAN YOU WORK OUT TO

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WHERE IT DOES NOT BACK UP TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY?

>> WELL THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ALREADY WRITTEN INTO THE PUD.

ABOUT BUFFERING AND SETBACKS AND ALL OF THAT.

WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THOSE.

>> RIGHT NOW YOU COULD PUT THE HUNDRED FOOT BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY. YOU DON'T HAVE A LAYOUT EXISTING CORRECTLY. AM I CORRECT?

>> NOT NOW. BUT I WILL SAY MR. LABANOWSKI, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. BUT AGAIN THIS PUD WAS IN PLACE BEFORE STONE CREST HAD AN AMENDMENT OR REZONING.

SO THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON NOTICE ABOUT WHAT BUILDING HEIGHTS WERE PERMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THEM.

>> YOU HAVE NOT DONE A LAYOUT. THERE'S NO LAYOUT.

IN GOOD FAITH COULDN'T THERE BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT LAYOUT? YOU WANT A SINGLE FAMILY. COULD YOU PUT THE SINGLE FAMILY

UP TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY? >> RIGHT NOW THE DETERMINATION ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY. THAT'S THE POINT OF AEGD IT IN.

IT COULD ALL BE SINGLE FAMILY AND THERE WOULD BE NO MULTIFAMILY. AND THAT WOULD BE THE MOST

BENEFICIAL TO STONE CREST. >> DEFINITELY.

>> THAT'S THE IDEA ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND ALLOWING THESE 330 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF

PROPERTY. >> DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING UP FRONT.

SINCE THERE'S NO WAY OUT. CAN YOU DO SOME READJUSTING.

TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY GOES UP.

THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING. >> RIGHT AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT. AND AGAIN WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT BE A COMBINATION OF SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY OR ALL SINGLE OR ALL MULTI. ALL PERMITTED USES.

ALL WE'RE ASKING TODAY IS ADD SINGLE FAMILY AS AN ADDITIONAL

PERMITTED USE. >> MS. SPIEGEL.

>> THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE CLARIFICATION.

YOU'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN BECAUSE SINGLE FAMILY HAS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE, RIGHT.

.76-- .38 KIDS OR SOME WEIRD CALCULATION, CORRECT?

IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? >> WELL WE ARE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS BY 330 BUT ALSO REDUCING THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS BY 745.

SO I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN A WASH ON THE MATH.

>> IT DOES COME UP A BIT HIGHER.

SO JUST FOR MEP REPORTING TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND REGARDING THE SETBACKS. SOMETHING MENTIONED IN THE WONDERFULLY WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ABOUT JUST TO CONCERN ABOUT A CONSTRAINED SETBACK ON THOSE SMALLER HOMES.

MIGHT AFFECT COMMERCIAL OR PUBLIC LANDS OR RIGHT OF WAYS? AND THAT IF ON THOSE BOUNDARIES IT COULD BE EXTENDED TO THE USUAL SETBACK? SINCE THIS IS A WAIVER REQUEST?

>> LET ME CLARIFY. PLEASE EXPOUND WHEN YOU SAY ON

THE BOUNDARYS. >> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING MY BOARD MEMBERS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M

SAYING? >> NO, I DON'T.

>> OKAY SO I'M TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE A ROW OF THESE SMALLER HOUSES WITH THE SMALLER LOTS AND THEY HAVE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS. AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING COMING UP RIGHT AWAY NEXT TO IT.

AND IS THAT GOING TO EFFECT THAT OR IMPACT THAT? JACOB WOULD BE THE PERSON TO ASK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. SEE THAT'S WHY WE NEED EACH OTHER. IT IS COMMON? THAT'S A COMMON THING? WE HAVE CORNERS.

>> I THINK ACTUALLY ASKING JACOB.

>> THROUGH THE-- IF I UNDERSTAND MS. SPIEGEL'S QUESTION RIGHT, THIS HAS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO IT AND WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT ANY SORT OF LAID OUT SITE PLAN.

BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE PUD TO ALLOW THEM TO COME IN LATER TO DO THAT. ANYTHING I SAY ABOUT THE WAY THE BUILDINGS ARE ARE GOING TO BE LAID OUT OR THE EFFECT THEY

HAVE IS ENTIRELY HYPOTHETICAL. >> OKAY THAT'S FINE.

GOOD ANSWER THAT SATISFY MESS AND I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> WELL MR. GREEN IS-- >> SECOND THE MOTION.

>> OKAY I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

OH I'M ON THE WRONG ONE. BETTER MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE RIGHT PROJECT. MOTION TO APPROVE MAJOR MODIFICATION 2026-09DURBIN PARK BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. GREEN.

ANY DISCUSSION. FURTHER DISCUSSION.

OKAY SEEING NONE, OUR VOTING SCREENS UP PLEASE.

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PASSES 5-1. SO YOU ARE APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT DOES ANYONE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK.

I KNOW THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT HERE FOREVER AND I APOLOGIZE. BUT DOES ANYONE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. ALL RIGHT WE'LL TAKE A SIX MINUTE BREAK. MORE O

[6. MAJMOD 2026-01 Grand Oaks. Request for a Major Modification to Grand Oaks Planned Unit Development (Ordinance 2018-40) to reduce the maximum number of residential units from 999 to 954, modify language within the Master Development Plan (MDP) text regarding traffic mitigation requirements, modify the MDP Map to revise site access, update phasing, and correct inconsistencies within the MDP Text. ]

>>-- AND IT WOULD BE A MAJOR MODIFICATION FOR GRAND OAKS PRESENTED BY MR. ZACH MILLER AND WE NEED EXPARTE.

SO MR. LABANOWSKI? >> LOOKING AT MY NOTES REAL QUICK. I'VE TALKED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH REGARDS TO THE ITEM AND HAD DISCUSSION WITH JUSTIN DUDLEY AND WENT TO A COMMUNITY MEETING ON SEPTEMBER

2ND. >> MR. OLSON?

>> YES, I HAD A MEETING WITH JUSTIN DUDLEY AT THE-- OFFICES AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION THERE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT.

AND I VISITED THE SITE ON SEPTEMBER 12TH.

I HAPPENED TO STOP IN AT AN OPEN HOUSE WHILE I WAS THERE AND SPOKE TO TWO REAL ESTATE AGENTS WHO GAVE ME A LOT MORE GOOD BACKGROUND ON THE CDD ISSUES IN THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD.

SO THAT'S MINE. >> GOOD THANK YOU.

MS. SPIEGEL. >> YES I DID A SITE VISIT.

DROVE AROUND AND CHECKED IT ALL OUT.

I THINK THERE WAS ONLY ONE E-MAIL.

DID HAVE A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. ZACH MILLER ON THE BENEFITS OF APPROVAL AND THE POTENTIAL RESULTS OF DENIAL.

>> TWO PHONE CALLS WITH JUSTIN DUDLEY ABOUT THE APPLICATION.