[Call meeting to order ] [00:00:08] >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE ARE READY TO OPEN THE SEPTEMBER 14TH-- WHICH FEELS VERY STRANGE. 2026, PONTEVEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD. I WILL START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> THE READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT? >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S JURISDICTION, AND BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MAY DO SO BY FILLING OUT A SIGN-IN SHEET AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. THE PUBLIC WILL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON ITEMS FOR A LENGTH OF TIME DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN. WHICH SHALL BE 3 MINUTES. SPEAKER SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SOREN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAYBE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WAY AND TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF THE PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL, ANY MATTER OF THE HEARING, SUCH PERSONS WILL GET A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAKE SURE THE RECORD OF THE SEATING IS MADE, UPON WHICH THAT WILL BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARIAN EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS BEING PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEM BE AVAILABLE FOR A BOARD AGENCY COMMITTEE OR COUNTY AIR TO THE APPEAL RELATED TO THE ITEM. WE ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING AGENDA. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION OCCURS, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHALL THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER, EVEN IF WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO [Public comment] THE ISSUES AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY ITEMS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PLEASE COME FORWARD, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM HERE AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES DISTRICT. I AM WITH MATT, WHO IS A LAND AND ENVIRONMENTAL LAWYER. WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE COUNTY ABOUT SOME MISINTERPRETATION OF THE TREE ORDINANCE, THE PONTE VEDRA TREE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED IN 2020. MR. MCCULLOUGH FOUND THAT ISSUE, AND HE WANTS TO HAVE THIS PUT ON YOUR AGENDA. WE WERE ASKED TO COME DOWN AND PRESENT IT TO YOU AND GET IT ON YOUR AGENDA. IT DOES PERTAIN TO THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND THE TREE PROTECTION AREA. THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS BACK IN 2020, EVEN BEFORE. IT WENT THROUGH THE MSC. THE MSC HAD NUMEROUS WORKSHOPS IN THE AREA. IT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD AND APPROVED BY THIS BOARD. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT SO HE HAS MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ISSUE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING MISINTERPRETED BY THE COUNTY, AND WE WANT TO GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. SO, THANK YOU. >> BEFORE YOU GO, HOW DO WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA? OR DO WE ACCEPT THIS ON OUR NEXT AGENDA? >> YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER YOU GET OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT TO ASK STAFF TO BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR A MEETING DOWN THE ROAD. >> DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH TIME STAFF NEEDS TO REVIEW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MATT MCCALL OR, 28 PONTE VEDRA CIRCLE. I AM A LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL ATTORNEY PRACTICING FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS. I HAD TH PLEASURE OF SERVING 12 YEARS ON THE MSD WITH KITTY AND OTHERS. AND I HAPPEN TO BE THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THE TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE FOR PONTE VEDRA. I AM INVOLVED EMOTIONALLY AND [00:05:04] ACTUALLY IN THE DOCUMENT AND THE LAW. WHAT WE FOUND IS THERE IS AN INTERPRETATION GIVEN BY STAFF, AND I AM NOT BLAMING THEM. THERE IS PROBABLY ENOUGH AMBIGUITY. MY RESPONSIBILITY-- THERE MAYBE SOME AMBIGUITY IDENTIFIED, THAT ALLOWS SOMEONE TO GET CREDIT FOR TREES THAT ARE ALREADY PROTECTED. BAYVIEW-- VAN DIJKEN KIDS-- RECITE THE PROVISION, THERE IS NO NEED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS, BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS YOU CAN HAVE FOUR PROTECTED TREES, 10 INCHES OR ABOVE, AND ILLUMINATE TWO OF THEM, AND USE THAT AS CREDIT. SO WE ARE DIVIDING BY HALF ALL THE PROTECTED TREES POTENTIALLY IN PONTE VEDRA. SO MY SUGGESTION IS, AT SOME POINT, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, EITHER CRAFT THE LANGUAGE TO GO BACK AND CLARIFY THAT IT IS 4 INCHES, YOU HAVE CREDIT FOR 4-INCH-- INCHES, UP TO TWO PROTECTIVE TREE STATUS, OR ILLUMINATE THE PROVISION IT ENTIRELY. I AM LEANING TOWARDS ELIMINATING THAT MITIGATION CREDIT PROVISON ENTIRELY. I THINK IT'S BURDENSOME ON STAFF TO KEEP A RECORD OF 4-INCH TREES, HOW THEY WERE PLACED, WHERE THEY ARE PLACED. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEST THAT WE ELIMINATE THE CREDIT ENTIRELY. THAT IS WHERE I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING WITH THIS, AND WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE ON YOUR AGENDA AND GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT SOME POINT. AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY. HOMES ARE BEING TORN DOWN AND BUILT UP EVERY DAY. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR HELP IN GETTING THIS THING APPROVED. >> FORGIVE ME. SO I HAVE A BRIEF UNDERSTANDING. I HAVE NOT READ THE PONTE VEDRA TREE ORDINANCE IN A FEW YEARS NOW. THAT IN YOUR EXAMPLE, I HAVE 44-INCH TREES ON MY PROPERTY. AND I'M BUILDING A HOUSE. I CUT DOWN TWO OF THEM, YOU ARE SAYING I CAN GET CREDIT FOR SAVING THE TWO THAT I CUT DOWN? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT FOUR PROTECTED TREES. 10-INCH TREES. IF YOU HAVE FOUR LIVE OAKS, YOU CAN ELIMINATE TWO WITHOUT ANY MITIGATION REQUIRED. UNDER THE CODE YOU CANNOT ELIMINATED A PROTECTED TREE WITHOUT MITIGATING FOR THE TWO TO ONE RATIO. SO WE ARE GIVING A FREE PASS FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE AWAY PROTECTED TREES BASED ON THAT. AND IT IS INCORRECT. I AM THE AUTHOR. IT'S INCORRECT. I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY MIGHT HAVE GONE THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THAT THIS JUST DOES NOT SURVIVE IN TODAY'S WORLD. >> THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> GO-AHEAD. >> IS THAT DBH? >> YES. >> WHO COMES OUT TO MEASURE THE TREE TO CONFIRM? >> THERE IS A PERMANENT PROCESS FOR REMOVING A PROTECTED TREE. >> SOMEBODY COMES OUT FROM THE COUNTY? >> THERE SHOULD BE PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY TAKING OVERSIGHT OF THAT. YES. THERE SHOULD BE. >> THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2020? >> YES. AND WE HAVE SEEN TWO OR THREE INSTANCES OF TREES, LARGE OAK TREES BEING REMOVED. AND IT IS PUZZLING WHY THAT IS, WITHOUT MITIGATION. IT IS BECAUSE IT IS A BAD INTERPRETATION. >> GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR COMING. >> YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION ALMOST. OUT OF THE LAST SIX YEARS WHAT EXAMPLES DO WE HAVE WHERE THIS IS BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. DO WE HAVE SPECIFICS? WHERE WE ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF-- >> KITTY CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. SHE GETS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE THAN I DO. ON SAN JUAN DRIVE IT IS THE GOLF COURSE CROSSING AT THE NORTH END OF SAN JUAN DRIVE. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE WAS A RECENT HOME BUILT THERE WHERE THEY HAD PROTECTED TREES. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO ELIMINATE THEM, BUT ALTERNATIVELY KEPT THEIR OTHER PROTECTED TREES IN PLACE, WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE MITIGATED FOR THE PROTECTED TREES THAT WERE LOST. >> OKAY. THESE ARE ONE-OFF EXAMPLES? WE DO NOT HAVE A-- EVERY HOME BEING CONSTRUCTED AND GOING THROUGH MITIGATION? >> I DON'T THINK SO. THE NOT THAT MANY TREES ARE AT RISK. I AM PROBABLY THE MOST AFFECTED PERSONS IN PONTE VEDRA. I HAVE MORE OAK TREES THAN MANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE. THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY OAK TREES AROUND, BUT WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, THEY PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. DO WE HAVE FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ITEMS? [1. PVZVAR 2026-05 30 Sailfish Dr - Office Shed. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section III.B.1 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations (PVZDR) to allow for a rear yard setback of seven (7) feet in lieu of the required twenty-five (25) feet in R-1-C zoning to accommodate the placement of detached office shed, specifically located at 30 Sailfish Drive. ] SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO PVZVAR 2026-05 30 SAILFISH DR - OFFICE SHED. MISS ALLEN, IF YOU WILL GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE? >> MY NAME IS NANCY ALLEN. I LIVE AT 30 SAILFISH DRIVE, PONTE VEDRA BEACH, FLORIDA. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 41 YEARS. [00:10:05] THE REASON OF THIS VARIANCE IS THAT MY HUSBAND, WHEN HE RETIRED, BUT THE SHED ON THE PROPERTY, AND HE DIED SUDDENLY TWO YEARS AGO. IN SETTLING ALL OF THAT, THE ESTATE, AND TRYING TO GET IT COMPLETED, AS HE WANTED IT, I FOUND THAT A VARIANCE WAS NEEDED. AND SO, WE WILL SHOW YOU THAT. OKAY. THIS IS OUR REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE TO SECTION THREE OF THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING REGULATIONS, TO ALLOW FOR A REAR YARD SETBACK OF 7 FEET IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED 25 FEET IN R1 SEE ZONING ZONING TO ACCOMMODATE THE A PLACEMENT-- THE PLACEMENT OF AN ATTACHED OFFICE SHED LOCATED AT 30 SAILFISH DRIVE. I HAVE ASKED MY FRIEND, WHO IS A RETIRED ENGINEER TO HELP ME WITH SOME OF THE EXPLAINING OF THE ZONING, WHICH IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE. I AM A REGISTERED NURSE AND I OUT OF MY HOME FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. >> THANK YOU. I MICHAEL REDDICK. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT THE SHED IS IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE AROUND IT THERE IS A LOT OF VEGETATION, HEDGEROWS AND FENCES THAT BLOCKED THE VIEW FROM THE BACK. OF ANYONE COMING IN. LOCATION OF THE HOME. SHOWS THE- WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING ARE 1C. BEING BASICALLY ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM THE RG ONE ZONING AREA. AND ACROSS THE STREET THERE. THE DISTANCES WE HAVE GOT. THE LOCATION OF THE SHED MEETS ALL DISTANCES EXCEPT THE ONE OFF OF THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. IS CURRENTLY SEVEN AND A HALF FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT IT'S WITHIN THE EASEMENT OF THAT AREA THERE. IT HAS HURRICANE ANCHORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THERE AND IT HAS QUITE A BIT OF VEGETATION AROUND IT. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT. NO VISUAL ASPECT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO SEE THE SHED IN THE BACK. THAT'S RIGHT HERE. SORRY. I WENT TOO FAR. YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE PICTURE FROM THE BACKYARD ON THE LEFT THAT THE SHED IS COMPLETELY ENCASED WITH A FENCE AND VEGETATION. SO THERE IS NO VISUAL ASPECT. IN FACT THERE IS NO A NOISE ISSUE OR ANYTHING ELSE. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS A PICTURE FROM THE STREET IN THE FRONT, WHICH YOU CANNOT SEE THE SHED FROM BACK THERE. WHAT WE ARE HOPING IS IF WE GET THIS VARIANCE, THE NEXT STEPS WE WILL GET WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL BE MAKING SURE WITH CODES AND FINISH THE INSTALLATION OF THE SHED. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU GUYS, VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD QUESTIONS. FOR THE APPLICANT. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IF WE TALKED WITH ANYBODY OR VISITED THE SITE. I'VE NOT TALKED WITH ANYBODY AND I DROVE PASSED THE SITE. SOMETIMES THINGS JUST HAVE TO GO IN ORDER. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS. THE SHED ITSELF IS NOT A PREFAB. WAS IT A PREFAB BUILDING? >> IT WAS. >> AND IT'S ON A CRONK-- CONCRETE SLAB? YES. AND AS THEIR PLUMBING AND ELECTRIC TO THE SLAB. >> ELECTRIC, BUT NOT PLUMBING. >> WILL IT ULTIMATELY HAVE AIR CONDITIONING? >> YES. >> SO WILL END UP A FINISHED BUILDING EFFECTIVELY. DRYWALL ON THE INSIDE. SOME SORT OF PANELING ON THE INSIDE? >> RIGHT. IT ALREADY IS. >> AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS IT WOULD BE MODIFIED OR TO THE REQUIRED EFFECT. SO IT'S EFFECTIVELY A LITTLE HOUSE. A BIG HOUSE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. AT ONE POINT-- WHAT POINT DOES A PREFAB BUILDING NEED A PERMIT? I SHED, A STORAGE UNIT, WHATEVER WE. >> FOR THE RECORD, JACOB SMITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE QUESTION, IT HAS TO DO WITH SIZE. I DON'T WANT TO GET THAT SIZE WRONG. BUT ESSENTIALLY A VERY SMALL HANDY SHED, I BELIEVE IT IS [00:15:03] ABOUT 150 SQUARE FEET. I HATE TO STICK TO THAT SIZE, BUT ONCE YOU EXCEED THAT IT REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT. >> A HANDY SHED DOES NOT REQUIRE WINDOWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> THAT IS RIGHT. BUT THIS IS OF THE SIZE. >> IT IS A REAL BUILDING. >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT IS IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. >> FORGIVE ME. WE SHOULD GO THROUGH AND DO OUR NEXT PARTAKE. >> I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT. I DROVE BY TO SEE THE RESIDENTS. I COULD NOT-- YOU COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE TREES FROM THE SIDE, BUT NOTHING DRAMATICALLY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS YOUR APPLICATION FOR A VARIANCE. DID ANYONE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE STRUCTURE TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR BACK NEIGHBORS, SIDE NEIGHBORS? HAS ANYONE VOICED A COMPLAINT? >> NOT TO ME. >> STAFF, OUT-- DO WE HAVE A COMPLAINT ON THE STATION? >> THERE IS NO OFFICIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT. I THINK WE WERE CONTACTED BY THE APPLICANT WHEN WE REALIZED. >> IT'S KIND OF LIKE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM? >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> GO-AHEAD. >> MARK NICKERSON. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVEN MET BEFORE. BUT WE HAVE BEEN AROUND THE CORNER FOR 30 SOME ODD YEARS. BUT I HAVE BEEN BY YOUR HOUSE A NUMBER OF TIMES. WE ALWAYS PUT UP THAT MEETING SIGN AT THE CORNER. I WAS PART-- QUITE IMPRESSED WITH YOUR PACKET. THE FACT THAT YOU HAD ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS AROUND YOU AND ACROSS THE STREET IN SUPPORT OF YOUR PROJECT SAYS A LOT. THE LETTER THAT WAS EMAILED, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IT IS KIND OF HEARSAY. THERE ARE NO NAMES OR DATES MENTIONED. AND AIRBNB IS NOT GERMANE TO OUR DISCUSSION. BUT WHATEVER. WHEN WAS THE PROJECT STARTED? APPROXIMATE DATE? WAS AT 2020 SOMETIME? >> ABOUT 2022, ONE MY HUSBAND RETIRED. >> WE ARE AWFULLY SORRY ABOUT YOUR LOSS. AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN FINISHING SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO GET STARTED. UNFORTUNATELY, FROM WHAT I HAVE READ, THIS FITS THE CATEGORY-- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SELF-HARM? AND EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH WRITING THE CHECKS AND SO FORTH, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE CODE. AND WE CAN'T-- THAT CANNOT BE A FACTOR IN OUR DECISION-MAKING. I WILL SAY HAVING A STRUCTURE OUT FROM YOUR HOUSE IS GREAT. AND YOU KNOW THAT. IT'S JUST-- I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHOLE 7 FEET VERSUS 25 FEET. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. AND-- I HAVE NOTES HERE. GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT'S HURRICANE ANCHORED AND I WAS NOT SURE FROM THE WRITE UP THAT IT WAS ELECTRIC AND AC ALREADY. IS THEIR INTENTION TO DO PLUMBING? DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE? >> DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ALLOW ME TO DO. >> YES. IF IT IS APPROVED. >> AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW, IT IS BEING USED? NOT YET? OKAY. WHAT IS THE COUNTY'S LEGAL-- WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS IT'S IN UNPERMITTED-- UNPERMITTED BUILDIG ON LAND INSIDE THE ZONING DISTRICT. DOES THAT LEAVE THE COUNTY IN A LEGAL LIMBO? >> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE COUNTY ENFORCES THESE THINGS THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE DON'T CODEN FORCE AGAINST PEOPLE GENERALLY UNLESS THERE IS A COMPLAINT. AND WE ARE COMPLAINT DRIVEN. IN THIS CASE THERE IS NO COMPLAIT. SO THEY ARE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE. WHEN YOU ARE REALLY CLOSE WITH THE SELF-HARM THING, THAT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED THE HARDSHIP. SO THEY CANNOT CREATE THEIR OWN HARDSHIP. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CANNOT SHOW HARDSHIP, EVEN [00:20:01] THOUGH THEY'VE DONE SOME THINGS HERE BEFORE THEY ASK FOR THE VARIANCE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH YOU POTENTIALLY APPROVING THE VARIANCE IF YOU HAVE SOME HARDSHIP THAT THEY DID NOT CREATE. >> THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? OKAY. I TRUST YOU WILL NOT BE WORKING WITH-- HANDYMAN, OR A CONTRACTOR THAT INSTALLS WHAT YOU HAVE THERE? OKAY. DOES THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, DO THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF AN OBLIGATION TO REPORT THE WORK THAT WAS NOT DONE ACCORDING TO BUILDING CODE? >> THERE IS NO OBLIGATION TO REPORT, BUT IF THEY DON'T GET THIS VARIANCE THEY ARE AT RISK THAT ANYONE COULD POTENTIALLY REPORTED. AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. >> I AM THINKING OUT LOUD, WE WOULD NOT WANT THIS INDIVIDUAL TO BE INVOLVED IN SIMILAR PROJECTS IN ST JOHNS COUNTY. >> CAN I ANSWER THAT? >> YES. >> I SPOKE WITH THE GUY WHO DID THE WORK. HE NO LONGER LIVES IN FLORIDA. HE'S NO LONGER A CONTRACTOR. HE IS IN VEGAS PERFORMING. I CALLED HIM ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO TO GET INFORMATION ON WHAT HE DID. HE IS NO LONGER HERE, NO LONGER IN BUSINESS, AT ALL. >> THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST TRANSITION FROM SOMEONE IN CONSTRUCTION. CANNOT GO INTO THE OFFICIAL RECORD? >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AS I'M READING THE-- WHAT YOU PROPOSED, THAT IF THIS GETS APPROVED, OR SOMETHING IS APPROVED THE SHED CAN REMAIN, YOU ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, INCLUDING BRINGING IT UP TO CODE, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE, I DID USED TO LIVE DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU. I HAVE NOT TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT. SO NOW WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN. JACOB, MAKE SURE THAT I AM CLEAR, IF SHE BUILT A 149 SQUARE-FOOT SHED ON THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE NO OVERSIGHT OVER THAT, IS AT A CORRECT STATEMENT? IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE? >> YES. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE HAVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS, AND WE HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS BOARD DOES WORK FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, THE LAND DEVELOP AND CODE, NOT THE PONTE VEDRA CODE. BUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TELLS US PRIVATE GARAGES AND STORAGE BUILDING SHALL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT. IT PRETTY MUCH GOES RIGHT THERE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HANDY SHEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IT'S ALMOST SOMETHING YOU COULD BUY AND PUT IN THE BACK OF YOUR PICKUP TRUCK AND PUT ON YOUR PROPERTY. NONETHELESS IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, THERE ARE NOT EXCLUSIONS FOR HANDY SHEDS OR ANY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE SETBACK OTHER THAN A POOL. IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, A VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED. >> AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE REASON FOR THE REAR YARD SETBACK BETTER THAN ANYBODY. THE REASON WE WOULD HAVE A 25-FOOT REAR SETBACK ON OUR 1C WOULD BE-- ARE 1C. >> THE SETBACKS IN PONTEVEDRA ARE FAIRLY PRIVACY ORIENTED. SO THEY ARE TO LEAVE OPEN SPACE AND CREATE CONFORMITY WITH ALL THE BUILDINGS. THAT IS WHAT THEY EXIST FOR. IN MANY INSTANCES, WHEN YOU START HAVING FENCES AND A LOT OF GREENERY, OR VEGETATIVE SCREENING, SOMETIMES IT MAY NOT MATTER SO MUCH DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT IT'S FOR THE UNIFORMITY, PREDOMINANTLY OF THE MAIN HOUSE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, I WILL TELL YOU THIS, UNFORTUNATELY THERE ONLY FOUR OF US TODAY. AND IT REQUIRES FOUR BOATS FOR APPROVAL. SO YOU DO NOT HAVE A FULL BOARD TODAY. IT IS PROBABLY WORTH PROCEEDING TO CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION. BUT WE WILL SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE. OUR CODE REQUIRES A HARDSHIP. [00:25:05] IT CANNOT BE SELF-INDUCED AND IT CANNOT BE MONETARY IN NATURE. AND SO, IT IS-- WE HAVE A VERY THIN EYE FOR VARIANCES. AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME-- DOESN'T HAVE THE-- THAT PROBLEM. PERSONALLY, I LIKE YOUR SHED VERY MUCH AND YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH IT. AND I THOROUGHLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT HERE, NOT SOMEONE ELSE. THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED TO, WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD TO ME. BUT I DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP. IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU GOING TO NEED TO LEAN ON THE HARDSHIP. IT CANNOT BE THE SIZE OF YOUR LOT, AND IT CANNOT BE THE SHAPE. SOMETIMES HARDSHIPS ARE THAT SIDE SETBACKS AND CORNER LOTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WHERE THAT IS A UNIQUE SHAPE. IS THERE ANY OTHER HARDSHIP THAT YOU COULD COMMENT TO FOR US, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THIS RIGHT. >> MISS GREEN? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I TEND TO AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU SAID. I THINK THE APPLICANT BRINGING THIS ON HER OWN, BEING TRANSPARENT, FORTHRIGHT WITH THE COUNTY, AND WITH OUR BOARD. AND GRANTED, SHE MAY NOT HAVE A HARDSHIP, SO TO SPEAK,, BUT I THINK THE BUILDING ITSELF IS DONE VERY, VERY WELL. I THINK IT'S PROTECTED BY ALL OF THE GREEN SPACE SHE HAS AROUND. I BELIEVE HER NEIGHBORS ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION. I'M HOPING MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WILL FOLLOW SUIT WITH ME. HOPEFULLY. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVC AR-- PVZVAR 2026-05 30 SAILFISH DR - OFFICE SHED, BASED ON THE FINDING OF FACTS AND SUBJECT TO THE FIVE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> AND WE QUESTION THE MOTION? OR DO WE HAVE TO SECOND IT BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT? >> THAT'S UP TO YOU. >> WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DISCUSS IT? >> GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU GET THE SECOND AND THEN DISCUSS. BUT SOMETIMES YOU NEED DISCUSSION TO GET A SECOND. EITHER IS FINE. >> GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS IT. >> OKAY. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SHED TO BE ABLE TO STAY. WHAT I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THE PROPOSED VARIANCE IS THE CHANGING OF THE SETBACK FROM THE 25 FEET TO THE 7 FEET. BECAUSE I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD ENTAIL EXPANDING THE HOUSE WITHOUT GETTING BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL. SO I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE SETBACK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO APPROVE THE SHED. >> JACOB, QUESTION? >> YES, SIR. I THINK THAT WITH THAT CONDITION ULTIMATELY THE BOARD CAN ADD A CONDITION THAT THE SETBACK VARIANCE, IT WILL BE A SETBACK. IT WILL BE 7 FEET, BUT IT IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE SPECIFIC EXISTING SHED. WE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT. A SITE PLAN IS ALREADY PART OF THIS. AND SO WITH THAT ADDED CONDITION, WE WILL BE VERY SPECIFIC, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, IT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE TO THIS SHED. AND NOT TO ANY OTHER STRUCTURE. >> MR. TAYLOR, I NEED TO REVISE MY MOTION. >> SINCE IT DOES NOT HAVE A SECOND, YOU CAN MAKE A NEW MOTION, OR YOU CAN REVISE IT AND GET A SECOND. >> I WILL REVISE MY MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVZVAR 2026-05 30 SAILFISH DR - OFFICE SHED, BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACTS AND SUBJECT TO FIVE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT. SUBJECT TO... SHRINKING THE SETBACK IN THE BACKYARD FROM 25 FEET TO 7 FEET. SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE SHED. [00:30:02] >> SECOND. >> I THINK THAT I CAN GET BE BEHIND-- YOUR EXCLUSIVE-- THE 2. IN THE REST OF THE COUNTY I HAVE A 10-FOOT YARD, 10-FOOT SETBACK. AND WE WOULD ALLOW THE THREE-FOOT SHED TO GO AT THIS POINT. IN ADDITION, THIS IS NOT-- IF MAGICALLY SHE COULD PICK UP THE SHED AND PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF HER YARD, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED. WE WOULD HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. IF THE REAR SETBACK OF THE YARD WAS THE HARDSHIP, THEN I THINK THAT IS CLOSE ENOUGH THAT WE COULD GO THAT WAY. >> THAT'S A HARDSHIP. [LAUGHTER] >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, DO WE HAVE A VOTE? >> YOUR VARIANCE IS GRANTED. THERE SHOULD BE SOME PAPERWORK COMING YOUR WAY. [2. PVZVAR 2026-06 453 A1A N. (Lanai). Request for a Zoning Variance to Section III.B.1 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations (PVZDR) to allow for a rear yard setback of twenty (20) feet in lieu of the required twenty-five (25) feet in R-1-D zoning to accommodate the placement of a proposed lanai, specifically located at 453 A1A N.] >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 2 ON THE AGENDA, PVC VAR 2026-06450-- PVZVAR 2026-06 453 A1A NORTH. IF YOU WILL COME UP AND GIVE US BOTH YOUR NAMES AND YOUR ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD. AND WE WILL START WHILE YOU ARE WALKING UP WITH LAUREN. >> I HAVE NOT VISITED THE SITE AND SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT. >> I DID VISIT THE SITE. >> I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE AND I DID NOT SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT. >> I AM JILLIAN, WE ARE HERE FOR 45381 A NORTH. AND A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CONTRACTORS. >> ON LISA SANDEFUR. I LIVE AT 1129... IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH. THIS IS MY DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW'S HOME. AND I'M HERE AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. THEY LIVE IN SEATTLE WASHINGTON. >> WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR A 450 SQUARE-FOOT OPEN SIDED COVER OF LANAI TO FOLLOW THE CURRENT RESIDENCES REAR SETBACK BUILDING LINE. IT'S ENCROACHED 55 FEET. SO WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE OF 5 FEET TO THAT REAR SETBACK. SO, LIKE I STATED, IT'S A 450 SQUARE-FOOT OPEN SIDE. IT FOLLOWS THE REAR BUILDING LINE AND IT'S ESTABLISHED BY THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. THE RESIDENTS CAROLYN SEAT-- CURRENTLY EXTENDS 5 FEET INTO THE REQUIRED REAR SETBACK AND THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT EXTEND FURTHER INTO THE SETBACK. SO RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL MAP. FROM THE GIS, SHOWING THE PROPERTY. RIGHT THERE. AND HERE I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AERIAL IMAGERY SHOWING CURRENTLY WHERE THE REAR SETBACK IS ENCROACHED RIGHT HERE. AND IT FOLLOWS THE LINE WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THESE ARE THE ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE MAPS. R1B. AND RESIDENTIAL SEE IS THE POTENTIAL LAND-USE. THE EXISTING RESIDENTS HAS AN ENCROACHMENT OF 5 FEET IN TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK. WE ARE NOT SURE AS TO WHEN THAT WAS BUILT. THE STAFF AT THE BILLING DEPARTMENT SAID IT PREDATES THE PERMITTING DATABASE. HERE IS A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN. SHOWING THE CURRENT LINE WITH THE RESIDENTS. AND WHERE THE NEW SPOT WOULD BE CONTINUING. SO WE ARE REQUESTING THE MINIMUM VARIANCE NECESSARY TO PUT THIS LANAI IN. THERE IS NO TO INCREASE TO EXISTING REAR SETBACK ENCROACHMENT. THE IMPROVEMENT REMAINS AN OPEN SIDED COVERAGE RATHER THAN A NEW ENCLOSED DWELLING. THE PROPOSAL MAINTAINS COME OUT ABILITY WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL ADVERSE EFFECTS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND THEIR REQUEST WOULD ALLOW FOR THE USE OF THE UPPER SPACE. [00:35:04] AND THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY SHOWING RIGHT HERE, THE EXISTING SPACE THAT IS ENCROACHING IN TO THE SETBACK. THEN THIS. THESE PHOTOS SHOW THAT THE REAR BUILDING LINE OF THAT 5 FEET ENCROACHMENT FOLLOWS ALONG WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. >> MY DAUGHTER AND SON IN LAW OUGHT THEIR HOME IN JANUARY OF 25. THEY, MY DAUGHTER, WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, MY SON-IN-LAW'S FROM ALABAMA. THEY LOVE IT HERE. THEY ARE BOTH CAREER PHYSICIANS. WHICH PUTS THEM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AT ANY TIME. THEY WANTED THEIR HOME TO BE HERE IN PONTE VEDRA A. THEY ARE ADDING, WHEN WE PURCHASED, THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY SAID EVERYTHING WAS PERMITTED. SHE DID NOT DO THAT ADDITION. THAT RESIDENT ONLY LIVED THERE ABOUT FOUR YEARS. SO THAT ADDITION WAS DONE. I'M NOT EVEN SURE, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO PERMITTING BACK THEN, OR RECORD-KEEPING. WHEN WE PURCHASE THE HOME, THEY PURCHASE THE HOME, WE HAD NO IDEA. IT HAD ENCROACHED ON THE SETBACK, AND THEIR PLAN THE WHOLE TIME WAS TO MAKE THE BACKYARD BEAUTIFUL. THEY JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEIR OUTDOOR SPACE. WHEN YOU STAND OUTSIDE AND LOOK TO THE RIGHT, THE HOME TO THE SOUTH OF THEM, THE WHOLE BUILDING GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS THAT SAME LINE THAT WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE FOR THERE ROOFLINE AS WELL. JUST INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET ME OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. NOT SEEING ANY I CAN CLOSE IT. JACOB, REAL QUICK, REMIND ME ON RECONSTRUCTION RULES ON IF I TORE OUT THAT BACK PORCH AND IT'S WHAT LESS THAN 25% OF THE HOME, I CAN PUT IT BACK AS IT STANDS TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? WITHOUT ANY SORT OF VARIANCE? I'M ASKING ABOUT-- IT'S OUT OF THE REMODELING RULES, NOT THE CONSTRUCTION, RATE? >> YES. IF WE CALL THIS A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE, OR AT LEAST THAT BACK PORTION OF IT, THERE ARE CERTAIN RULES TO NONCONFORMITIES. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GIVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO DEMOLISH IT AND PUT IT BACK, BUT IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO KEEP MAINTAINING AND REPARATIVE. IT HAS LIMITATIONS ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN REPAIR PER YEAR, BUT THAT PORTION OF THAT STRUCTURE, YES, THAT'S ULTIMATELY GRANDFATHERED FOR OTHER PRACTICAL PURPOSES AND CAN BE THERE AND MAINTAINED AND HAVE THE ROOF ARE PLACED ON AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTERS FROM THE BOARD? >> YES. WILL THIS BE A SCREENED PORCH OR WILL IT BE OPEN? WHAT TYPE OF FLOORING MATERIAL WOULD YOU HAVE? >> IT WOULD BE THE PERMEABLE PAVERS. >> PAVERS? OKAY. QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE HOUSE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH IS CLEARLY-- THE WHOLE HOUSE IS WITHIN SETBACK AREA. DO WE HAVE ANY HISTORY OF THAT? >> I WILL LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. A LOT OF THE OLDER HOMES, AND WE CAN SEE IT TO THE HOUSE TO THE EAST AS WELL, ALLOWED TIMES THESE HOMES ARE ORIGINALLY BUILT ACROSS MANY, MANY INDIVIDUAL LOTS. AND SO IT IS SITE-- IT'S SIGHTING MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BROADER PARCEL-- MORE OF A BROAD PARCEL THAN WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY. THAT IS TYPICAL OF THESE AREAS. BUT I WILL LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH, JACKSON AVENUE, THE POOL ENCROACHES IN TO THE SETBACK AREA. >> ENDED GET SEASIDE SETBACK RELIEF. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE THE. >> THEIR HOME IN JACKSON IS THE LAST ONE THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO THE RULES WITH THE SETBACKS. >> PARTICULARLY WITH THE HOUSE, IT FACES JACKSON, AND ALAN FACES 818. IS THAT A SIDE OR A SETBACK? I CAN'T FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. ALSO ARE WE ALLOWED, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM ROOF OVERHANG. OVER THE SETBACK AREA. >> FOR THESE LOTS IT'S TWO AND A [00:40:03] HALF FEET. >> TWO AND HAVE FEET? SO THIS IS LIKE A BIG ROOF OVERHANG. THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PVZVAR 2026-06 453 A1A NORTH. MARK WE. >> DID I VOTE? >> YOUR REQUEST IS APPROVED. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED, BUT ONE OF YOU, I THINK YOU DROVE BY, THERE IS A-- WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, PASS-THROUGH RIGHT THERE. WITH THAT LIGHT IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GOAD LEFT AND CUT THROUGH AND OVER. I WOULD LOVE SOME SIDEWALKS. THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT-- [Staff Report] >> I GUESS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TREES? I ASSUME WE NEED TO DISCUSS PUTTING IT ON OUR AGENDA ITEMS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> MR. CHAIR, WHAT I WILL BE LOOKING FOR, WHATEVER DISCUSSION THE BOARD NEEDS TO HAVE TO GET TO THAT DECISION IS FINE BY ME. JUST DIRECTION TO STAFF TO COME UP WITH A DRAFT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO WORK TO BRING BACK THAT LANGUAGE THAT IS PROPOSED. THEY HAVE REACHED OUT TO US. WE SAID WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING. BUT WE NEED THE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD. SO IF I GET THAT FROM THE BOARD WE WILL START WORKING WITH THEM. AND SEEMINGLY HE HAS A DRAFT OF IT READY. SO IT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG. >> IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO WADE INTO SOMETHING WITHOUT. BUT IT MAYBE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET WEIGHED INTO. I THINK WE-- RIDE LIKE TO START IS A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON EXACTLY HOW THE TREE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY WORKS IN PONTE VEDRA A. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTOOD WHAT HE WAS SAYING. AND I CERTAINLY HAVE PAID A LOT OF THOSE FEES. I KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND THE REST OF THE STATE, SO I'M THOROUGHLY FAMILIAR WITH TREE ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO JACKSONVILLE AND ST JOHNS COUNTY IN PARTICULAR. BUT NOT IN PONTE VEDRA A. I'D LOVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT AND I'D LIKE TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GO. I REMEMBER THE MOST RECENT COMPLAINT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON TREES WAS HOW MUCH REFUSE WE NOW HAVE. BECAUSE WE HAVE WONDERFUL TREES AND AN EXCELLENT TREE ORDINANCE. SO I THINK WE ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. BEFORE WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, LET'S FIND OUT HOW GREAT A JOB WE ARE DOING. THAT WILL BE A FAIR STATEMENT? CAN WE START THEY ARE WITH WHATEVER THE NEXT MEETING IS? AND ASK QUESTIONS AND MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR. THAT WAY EVERYBODY CAN BE AVAILABLE AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE? >> PART OF THAT, HAD LIKE TO HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW OFTEN, AND THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM? AS THIS 1% OF THE TIME, 9% OF THE TIME? ARE WE KILLING HUNDREDS OF TREES, OR JUST ONE? >> I AGREE. MY QUESTION WAS IS THIS A PROBLEM ON SEVERAL APPLICATIONS, OR JUST ONE OR TWO. >> AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT, WHERE MY HOUSE IS DOWN 81 A WE COULD NOT PLANT ANY MORE BECAUSE THE LOT IS WOODED. SO WE CUT DOWN WHAT WE NEEDED FOR THE HOUSE AND LEFT-- IT'S WEIRD WHEN YOU GET INTO THE BIG TREES ON THE GOLF COURSE, IT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. >> MARK? >> WOULD YOU LOOK FOR A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WITHIN THE COUNTY? OR FROM THE STATE AGENCY? >> JACOB? >> YOU WILL GET A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT FROM THE COUNTY. WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF THAT REVIEW ALL THESE THINGS. WE ARE FAIRLY WELL AWARE OF-- KITTY HAD COME TO US AND ADD THIS DISCUSSION. I AM AWARE OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT WE WILL BE HAPPY TO COME [00:45:01] IN AND GIVE AN OVERVIEW AND A BRIEF OF WHAT IS GOING ON, MAYBE WHERE THE MISUNDERSTANDING IS. AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE AFTER THE BOARD HEARS IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM STAFF? >> THAT WAS THE ONLY ITEM THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS. OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WE WILL PREPARE TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TREES IS ON OCTOBER 5TH. >> IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF TO PREPARE? >> I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. >> IT FEELS WEIRD TO HAVE [Board Report] MEETINGS TWO WEEKS IN A ROW. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION? JOHN, ARE WE EXTENDING THE PROPOSED CASUAL FRIDAYS? WITH THE SUMMER DRESS? >> I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN TO DETERMINE THAT. I PROPOSED AND IT HAD BEEN APPROVED AS A SUMMER RELIEF, AND OFFICIALLY SUMMER IS OVER AND ABOUT A WEEK. SO DO WE GO BACK TO COATS AND TIES? YOUR COATS, NO TIES? IF IT'S TIES, I'M NOT SHOWING UP. IDLE MIND GOING BACK TO COATS. >> I LIKE YOUR SUMMER DRESS, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. KEEP GOING IN TO THE FALL. WE STILL HAVE 100-DEGREE DAYS. I THINK WE WILL BE ALL RIGHT UNTIL OCTOBER. >> LET'S SAY OCTOBER IS STILL CASUAL. AND QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE APPLICANTS-- I CAN TELL THAT JAKE IS GOING TO SAY NO. >> NO I THINK THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD BE THE BEST CRITTERS OUT THERE. >> I'VE ASKED TWO OR THREE PEOPLE AND THEY LAUGH AT ME. THEY SAY THEY WOULD CONSIDER IT TO. AND I DOWNPLAY IT. IT'S ONLY A COUPLE MEETINGS OUT OF THE YEAR. AND IT SOME REALLY INTERESTING TOPICS. >> IT IS TOUGH, BUT AS SOON AS I HAVE AN UPDATE I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE M * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.