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>>> WE WILL NOW CALL THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY PLANNING ZONING AND AGENCY BOARD TO ORDER. AND PLEASE STAND TO JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> THANK YOU, AND MS. SPIEGALL WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC
NOTICE STATEMENT. >> THIS IS A PROPERTY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING HAVING CON DUR CURED WITH COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE RELEVANCE OF JURISDICTION.
AND WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AND A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING.
THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND FORKER A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKER SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. WHO THEY REPRESENT.
AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.
IF THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THAT TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MANNER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING. SUCH PERSON WOULD NEED A READ AND THAT A VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE.
WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASEED.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WITNESS STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RE RECORD.
THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD, AGENCY COMMITTEE OR COUNTY IN REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THEM. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMER HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSON INVOLVED IN THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THAT COMMUNICATION.
CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.
I'M FOLLOWING TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WAS JUST THINKING BASED ON ALL THE WORK THAT WE DO EVERY TWO WEEKS AND READING THROUGH ALL OF THESE ITEMS AND GETTING READY FOR THESE MEETINGS. IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
BUT I OFTEN THINK ABOUT WHAT THE STAFF GOES THROUGH IN PUTTING THESE ITEMS TOGETHER. TWO WEEKS AGO WE HAD A COUPLE 200 PAGE ITEM PPTS THE STAFF HAD TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER.
THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE EVERYTHING.
THEY WRITE A LOT OF IT. THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS IN THERE AND THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE POLICIES OUT OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK THE STAFF.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE JACOB AND LEX AND MARIE AND JUSTIN AND EVAN AND TREVOR AND SALINA AND AUBRIELLE IF I LEFT ANYONE OUT I APOLOGIZE.
YOU ALL DO A FANTASTIC JOB AND I KNOW YOU'RE VERY BUSY EVERY TWO WEEKS PUTTING THESE LONG TEDIOUS AGENDA ITEMS TOGETHER WITH ALL THE INFORMATION FOR US. AND WE RARELY FIND ANY MISTAKES WHAT SO FAR IN THEM. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
NOW WE CAN APPLAUD, I THINK. THANK YOU.
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SO NOW WE WILL GO TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.AND THIS IS COMMENT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS TYPICALLY NOT ON THE AGENDA. SOMETHING THAT IF YOU SPEAK TO IT NOW, YOU WON'T GET TO SPEAK TO IT WHEN THAT PARTICULAR ITEM
IS CALLED. >> BEFORE WE BEGIN GENERAL COMMENT. THE COUNTY WANTS TO WITHDRAW AGENDA ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT ON WELLHEADS.
I'LL LET YOU KNOW BEFORE THE MEETING.
WE HAVEN'T HAD MUMP RESPONSE FROM THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT.
AND THE NEW DIRECTION TO RESUBMIT A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HOPEFULLY THEY WILL NOT HAVE ISSUE WITH.
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AND ATTEMPT IT THAT WAY. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH BACK AND FORTH FROM TE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VERSION THAT WE SENT TO THEM.COUPLE MONTHS AGO. >> OKAY, SO THE ITEM IS GOING TO
BE PULLED. >> THAT WAY IF ANYONE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WELLHEADS IN GENERAL COMMENT THEY COULD.
>> IS THAT LACK OF RESPONSE FROM THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT AT THE STATE IN TALLAHASSEE. IS THAT HOLDING US UP FROM DOING ANYTHING IMPORTANT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE COUNTY?
>> YES, SIR, WE HAVE A COUPLE WELL PLACEMENTS AND WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW HOW MUCH LAND TO ENCUMBER WHEN WE PUT THE WELLS DOWN. SO THAT'S HAVING A HARD TIME PEOPLE DECIDING SO THE COUNTY NEEDS WELL SITES AND THIS AMBIGUITY DOES CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THE STAFF AND FOR THE
COUNTY. >> OKAY APPRECIATE THAT.
ALL RIGHT MR. HUNT YOU ARE UP SIR FOR GENERAL COMMENT.
CHARLIE HUNT, WILLCREEK ESTATES. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A FEW THINGS. I KNOW WE DISCUSSED ABOUT THE DISTANCE OF LI KWOER STORES VERSUS TO CHURCHES BUT WILL THAT ALSO BE TO INCLUDE SCHOOLS. AND MAYBE TO REDEFINE WHAT ARE SCHOOLS. WITH THE IMPOSING CHARTER SCHOOLS COMING IN. AND THE RECENT HIFT EHRIE THAT WE HAVE. SO IT MAKES A SMOOTHER PATH FOR NEXT HURRICANES TO COME THROUGH. RIGHT THERE.
AND ALSO, THERE WAS SENATE BILL-- OR EXCUSE ME, HOUSE BILL 337. WHICH COME FROM-- THAT MADE A BIG IMPACT HERE ON THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT RAISED THE PERMIT STATUS FROM 10% BEING BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY TO DEVELOPMENT UP TO 50% AT ONE TIME FOR DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS TO BRING IN AND DROP THEIR PERMITS OFF. SO YES, THAT WAS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTY. AND IT WAS PROJECTED WAY BACK A FEW YEARS AGO. WHICH YES TAKING A LOT OF HEAT.
SO WE LOOK AT THAT RIGHT THERE THAT'S COMING UP.
AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO, IT WILL HAVE-- AN IMPACT IN THIS COUNTY. HAVING PROBLEMS ITSELF.
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PUDS THAT CAME IN.
CALLED ALDER CREEK AND BEFORE THAT STEEPLE CHASE BUT NOW IT'S STONED IN WITH ONE OF THE SIX OR EIGHT THAT'S COMING IN.
FROM THESE DWORPS. WITH THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES AVAILABLE TO PUT OUT THERE IS PROBABLY 30,000 MAYBE.
BUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE THAT WE NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN SUN ANDS LISTEN TO US AND NOT JUST GET E-MAILS AND SAY OKAY WE'LL TALK TO YOU LATER AND WHAT NOT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TELLING AND SAYING KRISTA JOSEPH-- AND KEVIN ALLEN TO BE ELECTED.
>> THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR ATTORNEY OR JACOB WANTS TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING YOU SAID.
OKAY. AND I KNOW IT CAME UP AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETING ON TUESDAY.
[1. NZVAR 2026-03 Walmart Signs. Request for a Non-Zoning Variance, pursuant to Section 7.02.04.B.6 of the Land Development Code, to allow for an Advertising Display Area (ADA) of 793.5 square feet for thirteen (13) proposed wall signs in lieu of the required maximum of 200 square feet per business, to allow for an increased ADA of 160 square feet in lieu of the required maximum of 150 square feet for a Gas Station monument sign, and relief from Section 7.02.04.G to allow for Automatic Changeable Message signs on the Gas Station canopy in lieu of the requirement that such signs shall only be allowed on ground signs, all located within the World Commerce Center PUD.]
ALL RIGHT SEEING NO OTHER GENERAL COMMENT, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. AND WE NEED EXPARTE FOR ITEM ONE WHICH IS A NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR WAL-MART SIGN.SO ANY EXPARTE I'VE SEEN LA BC
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LABANOWSKI. >> I DRIVE THAT MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A DAY. RIGHT FROM WHERE I LIVE.
>> MS. SPIEGEL. >> YES, SIR DID VISIT AND RECEIVE SEVERAL E-MAILS OPPOSING.
>> I TRY NOT TO DRIVE BY THAT SITE MORE THAN ONCE A DAY, OR TWICE. SO VERY FAMILIAR.
I SLS RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THIS, THE PACKET OF STAFFING PACKET.
I HAVE TWO E-MAILS AND THREE MORE IN THE STAFF PACKET SO
THAT'S FIVE E-MAILS. >> OKAY THANK YOU.
MR. GREEN DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? >> BEEN BY MANY A TIMES BUT THIS
WEEK I MADE ANOTHER TRIP BY. >> AND I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE NUMEROUS TIMES. BUT I TRY NOT TO GO OUT THERE MORE THAN SAY ONCE A MONTH. SO-- AND THERE WERE SEVERAL LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVED THAT WERE NOT IN FAVOUR OF THE SIGN
REQUEST. >> SO WE WILL ASK FOR BRAD
GINZIG THE FLOOR IS YOURS SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
BRAD GINZIG PRESIDENT GENERAL SIGN SERVICE CORP 1840 SPEARING STREET JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA 3206 PRESENTING WAL-MART ON BEHALF OF THEIR NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR SIGNAGE.
SO AS YOU KNOW IN YOUR REPORT, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS FOR THREE SEPARATE THINGS. NUMBER ONE IS AN INCREASE IN SIGNAGE ON THE MAIN BUILDING WHICH IS 800 FEET BACK FROM THE INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. AND THAT'S WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE ELEVATION THAT THAT IS GOING FOR.
SECONDLY, WE ARE ASKING FOR A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE MONUMENT SIZE FROM 150 SQUARE FEET TO 160 SKWEET FEET TOTAL FOR THE FUEL STATION MONUMENT. AND THIRD, WE ARE ASKING FOR A DEVIATION TO ALLOW FOR FUEL PRICE MOUNTED TO THE CANOPY OF THE FUEL STATION. THIS IS THE TOTAL SCHEDULE AND TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNS WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKAGE. NOT TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE POWERPOINT BUT THIS I HAVE HERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN SHOW IN DEFAILS YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IT.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN BUILDING IS FAR FROM THE ROAD.
IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING IS A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT AND THEN WHAT WILL BE DEVELOPED AND BLOCK THE VIEW OF WAL-MART SIGNAGE FROM INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. THE FRONT IS 9375 SQUARE FEET.
WE ARE ASKING FOR 8% OF THAT-- LITTLE OVER.
8.3% TOTAL SIGNAGE AREA ON THAT WALL.
THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE AFTER IS DIRECT.
THEY ARE MOSTLY INSTALLED OVER ENTRANCES AND DOORS OR DIRECT THE PATRONS OF WAL-MART TO THE RIGHT ENTRANCE.
WHETHER THAT IS GROCERY, HOME AND FASHION, VISION, PICK-UP, WHERE THE PICK-UP CAN BE. WHERE THE PHARMACY DRIVE-THRU IS. THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT THE PHARMACY IS UPON OR WHERE THE OUTDOOR SECTION IS.
THIS BUILDING IS NEARLY 375 FEET LINEAR.
SO WHEN YOU GO INTO IT, AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR LET'S SAY-- YOUR WIFE CALLS AT 6:30 AFTER WORK WE'RE OUT OF FORMULA AND DIAPERS CAN YOU STOP. IF YOU GO TO AUTO CARE AND YOU HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE ENTIRE STORE TO GO PICK UP THAT ITEM THEN WALK ALL THE WAY BACK BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ENTRANCE TO GO INTO, IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL SO WHAT WAL-MART DOES, AND THIS IS STANDARD FOR ALL OF THEIR SUPER CENTERS IS TO HAVE DIRECTOR TYPE SIGNAGE FOR THE SERVICES AND GOODS THAT THEY SELL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. MOST OF THIS SIGNAGE IS NOT ELIMINATED. ON THIS BUILDING, THE ONLY THREE SIGNS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ELIMINATED ARE WAL-MART, THEIR LOGO WITH SPARK AND THE PICK-UP WITHER AO.
THE REMAINING SIGNAGE IS NOT ELIMINATED.
WILL NOT BE INTERNALLY LIT. SO THEY WILL NOT PUT OFF ANY ILLUMINATION. AS YOU CAN SEE SPLIT UP THE
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ELEVATION ON THIS PACKAGE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT-- SORRY-- THAT THE SIGNAGE IS PRIMARILY OVER DOORS AND PRIMARILY OVER ENTRANCES. SO THE PATRON CAN GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STORE. MOST OF THE SIGNAGE IS UNDER 1'6'18 INCHES TALL LETTERS ON A BUILDING THAT IS 25 FEET TALL IN SOME SECTIONS AND A LITTLE BIT TALLER IN OTHERS.AGAIN ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, THERE'S A SIGN FOR OUTDOORS AND FOR AUTO CARE TO DIRECT YOU TO WHERE THE OUTDOOR AND AUTO CARE ENTRANCE IS. WHICH IS ON REALLY THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND NOT THE FRONT.
AGAIN, FAIRLY SMALL SIGNS. 2 FEET TALL.
PRETTY SMALL. FINALLY THERE'S ONE SIGN ON THE SIDE ELEVATION WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE AUTO CARE AREA.
I'VE INCLUDED SOME PHOTOS HERE THAT SHOW YOU FROM THE PARKING LOT AS IT'S CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED.
WHEN YOU LOOK INSIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF LANDSCAPE.
LACK OF VISIBILITY TO THE BUILDING.
A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT FROM ONE END AND THE SIGNS ON THE WALL. MIGHT NOT EVERYBODY BEEN NOBILITIES EXCEPT FOR THE WAL-MART LETTERS AND THE SPARK.
SOME PHOTOS FROM THE SIDEWALK OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY HERE AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE IN CONSTRUCTION AND OF COURSE OTHER MROT PLOTS THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED FOR PARCELS THAT WILL BLOCK THE VISIBILITY OF THE WAL-MART SIGNAGE.
THIS WAL-MART SIGNAGE ON THE MAIN BUILDING IS PRIMARILY FOR ONCE YOU PERMIT INTO THE BUILDING OR INTO THE PARCEL AND PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT TO KNOW WHERE YOU NEED TO GO.
AS FOR THE FUEL STATION, THE MAIN BUILDING SIGN, THIS IS ELIMINATED. IT'S A SMALL PARK.
36.3 SQUARE FEET. IT IS APPROVED AND PERMITTED AND INCLUDED IN SCIENCE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS WELL.
SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE FULL SCOPE OF WORK SO THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING ON WHAT WE'RE DOING AND ASKING FOR.
SHOULD BE ALLOW WITHOUT AN ISSUE.
THE GAS PRICERS OF WHICH TWO WOULD BE UNSEEN FROM THE ROAD.
THEY WOULD BE SEEN FROM THE PARKING LOT.
DUE TO WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED. SO IF YOU WERE TO GO BACK TO HERE WHERE IT'S MARKED. SIGN NINE AND SIGN EIGHT ARE L.E.D. PRICERS. SO THIS WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. P JUST WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTRE. THE OTHER TWO WITHOUT A DOUBT WILL BE. THE CODE WE'D ASK FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IT FOR WAL-MART NNGTH CASE SO THEY CAN HAVE VISIBILITY OF WHAT GAS PRICES CURRENTLY ARE.
SOME PHOTOS OF THIS. FINALLY THE MAIN ID SIGN.
MONUMENT TWO WOULD BE THE FUEL STATION.
IT IS AESTHETICALLY THE SAME SIGN.
EXCEPT JUST SLIGHTLY LONGER TO ACCOMMODATE THE GAS PRICERS.
ASKING FOR TEN SQUARE FEET FROM 150 TO 160 SQUARE FEET.
THE LOGO SO THAT WE CAN KEEP IT REQUIREMENTS.TRADEMARK - TO MATCH THE OTHER SIGN ON THE PARCEL THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. AND THEN OF COURSE THE RATIONALE BEHIND SUS A FEW OTHER BIG BOX STORES ON THE PARKWAY WITHIN THE OVERLAY. MANY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR A MUCH LOWERER SIGNAGE THAN WE ARE ASKING FOR AND FOR MORE DEVIATION CODE THAN WE'RE ASKING FOR.
HOME DEPOT EXCEEDS AND BOTH THE MONUMENT AND WALL SIGNAGE AS SHOWN IN THE REPORT. BASS PRO SHOP GREATLY EXCEEDS.
>> PLEASE IN THE AUDIENCE LET HIM SPEAK, THANK YOU.
>> COSTCO HAS ALSO BEEN APPROVED FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THE OVERLAND PD. SO WITH THAT I'D OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE SIGNAGE.
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>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF.
OKAY, I HAD SOME COMMENTS. NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS.
BUT I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. BUT I'M GOING TO HOLD OFF FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. SO NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
SO WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS PRO OR CON, PLEASE COME UP TO ONE OF THE THREE MICROPHONES, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND MISSPIEGEL WILL HANDLE THIS PART.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT. MY NAME'S DON-- TYSON.
I LIVE FIRST OFF MAY I HAVE OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT AFFECTED THE SAME AS I STAND UP FOR A MINUTE? THANK YOU.
SO-- THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND CONSIDERATION.
JUST TO DEBATE A LITTLE BIT. ARE QUESTIONS PERMITTED FROM THE GENTLEMAN WHO MADE THE PRESENTATION?
>> WE CAN ASK SOME IF YOU WANT TO OPPOSE.
NOT REALLY ALLOWED TO. >> WELL WHAT'S WRITTEN OUT IN THE PROPOSAL IS NOT REALLY CLEAR.
SO THERE'S A-- IS THERE AN ILLUMINATED SIGN THAT'S FOR THE GAS? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 800 SQUARE FEET ACCORDING TO THE WRITTEN PROPOSAL.
>> WE NEED TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD.
>> OKAY IF HE'S GOING TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
HE NEEDS TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
AND YOU REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO US.
I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
>> THE BOARD SHOULD ASK QUESTIONS.
BUT THE CHAIR SHOULD BE THE ONE. YOU CAN ASK THE CHAIR TO ASK
QUESTIONS. >> OKAY BUT GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT. IT'S OUT THERE.
>> SO FUEL CANOPY. THE FUEL STATION SIGNAGE.
THE WALL SIGN THAT IS JUST THE LOGO OF THE SPARK WHICH IS FACING INSIDE THE DRIVEWAY ONCE YOU TURN IN THAT IS AN ELIMINATED SIGN. THE CANOPY WAL-MART LETTERS ARE ELIMINATED AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE ARE ASKING FOR AN EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THE GAS PRICERS OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE FUEL SAFE. AND THOSE WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
>> SO HIS STATEMENT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
THESE ARE WAY DOWN. AWAY FROM US.
NOT PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS STUFF EVERY DAY.
OUR ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR OUR CONDO 300 UNITS ARE RIGHT THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPACTED WAY BEYOND WHAT THESE OTHER BUSINESSES WHO ARE ALLOWED TO EXTEND BEYOND THEIR SIGNAGE.
IT DOESN'T APPLY IN OUR INSTANCE BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S ALREADY INTERRUPTING OUR TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND I REALIZE YOU DON'T DEAL WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST OPPOSE ANY ADDITIONAL EXPANSION OF SIGNAGE.
IT SHOULD BE PLENTY. WE SEE THIS EVERY DAY.
THE GAS STATION IS LOCATED WITHIN A HUNDRED OR SO FEET OF WORLD GOLF. SO YOU DON'T NEED BIG SIGNAGE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE GAS PRICES.
AND SO I WOULD JUST OPPOSE THAT. AND GIVE US SOME CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVED IN THERE, I'D BEEN LIVING THERE EIGHT YEARS. OTHERS HAD BEEN MUCH LONGER.
WE HAD-- IF I'D HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS COMING WHEN I BOUGHT, I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT THERE. AND THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO THIS PRIOR TO IT. BUT THE LAND HAD ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT. AND THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT. IT WAS JUST SHOVED DOWN OUR THROAT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WAS.
ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT. AND MY REALTOR DIDN'T TELL ME THIS WAS COMING AND SHE PROBLEMABLY DIDN'T KNOW.
I'LL YIELD THE REST OF MY SIX MINUTES.
THANK YOU. >> CAN I-- IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IF YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND LINE UP. THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING UP.
THAT'S GOOD. IT WILL JUST HELP THINGS GO A LITTLE SMOOTHER. AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES. IT'S A LITTLE DISRUPTING.
WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS HEARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
>> HELLO, I'M SHARON BERMEN. MY HUSBAND AND I.
MY HUSBAND DAVID AND I. >> ADDRESS PLEASE FOR THE
RECORD? >> IS 15 LEGENDARY DRIVE NUMBER 103 IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I HAVE LIVED AT THIS RESIDENCE FOR THE LAST 7 ½ YEARS. RAISED RIGHT HERE IN ST.
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AUGUSTINE SINCE 1950. I AM A CONCERNED CITIZEN AND THE HOME RUNNER AT THE ST. JOHN'S CONDOS FOLOING INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE WAL-MART GAS STATION. IT REALLY IS IN MY BACKYARD.WHERE MY BEDROOM AND MY LANAI ARE LOCATED.
WE HAD NO CHOICE NOW BUT TO ENCLOSE THE LANAI WHICH COST US THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. THIS IS TO DEAL WITH THE FLASHING LIGHTS. NOISE, EXHAUST, AND ALL THE DUST AND DIRT THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERERED SINCE THEY STARTED ALL THE PROGRESS AND PROCEDURES OVER THERE.
THE CHANGE WAL-MART IS ASKING FOR WILL BE DEVASTATING TO THE RESIDENTS AND BUILDING WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBOUR WHICH FACES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD. WE HAVE REALLY EXPERIENCED CHANGES IN OUR PROPERTY VALUES. WE'VE SEEN CONCERNS FOR SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY. MORE RING CAMERAS ARE BEING INSTALLED EVERY DAY. MORE SECURITY LIGHTS PEOPLE ARE PUTTING UP FOR SAFETY. OUR NICE LITTLE QUIET NEIGHBOURHOOD IS NO LONGER. WE HAVE NO BUFFER ALONG THE ROAD TO HELP US OUT EITHER. PLEASE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION ALL THE THING THAT YOUS HEAR TODAY THAT HAS DEFINITELY IMPACTED OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS CLAIR ROTH AND I LIVE AT 145 LEGENDARY DRIVE UNIT 101. I AM ALSO THE PRESIDENT AS WELL AS THE TREASURER OF THE LEGENDS CONDOMINIUMS HOA.
I DON'T GET THIS AT MY OWN BORDER MEETINGS.
SO THIS IS HOW INVOLVED MY RESIDENTS ARE.
AND I SAY MY RESIDENTS BECAUSE MY COMMUNITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HE. AND THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THEM. AND I COME HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THEM. MR. OLSON I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR NOT COMING TO THAT AREA, IT HAS GOTTEN CRAZY.
WHEN I MOVED IN FIVE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS NOTHING.
AND NOW WE HAVE HAD SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT AND SO MANY COMPANIES COMING IN AND SO MUCH HOUSING COMING IN.
WE MIGHT AS WELL BE LIVING IN MIAMI FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING ON BACK AND FORTH. MY FRIEND SHARON WHO LIVES IN 115 RIGHT ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC, INCREASED NOISE POLLUTION, INCREASED POLLUTION FROM THE CARS AND NOW IS GOING TO HAVE DEAL WITH THE INCREASED LIGHT POLLUTION THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING FROM THE PARKING LOT, FROM ALL OF THE LIGHTS.
I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT SECOND FLOOR EVERY TIME THAT TRAFFIC SLIGHT PUT IN TURNS RED THEY ARE GOING TO THINK THEY ARE IN AMSTERDAM IN THE RED LIGHT DISTRICT.
SO MY RESIDENTS WILL NOW HAVE TO PUT UP CURTAIN, BLACKOUT CURTAINS. BECAUSE OF ALL THIS LIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S COMING THR THROUGH. I APPRECIATE-- MR. GINZIG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE AND THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE, BUT YOU'RE ONLY ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY SMALL. SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO FEED INTO THAT AND SET THAT PRECEDENT? IF IT'S ONLY JUST A LITTLE BIT, LET'S LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS AND NOT CHANGE THE ZONING ON THE SIGNAGE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SO MUCH LIGHTS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PERMITTING HAS NOT GONE THROUGH THAT'S FINE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE ALL OF THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS.
WE HAVE ALL THESE FUEL LIGHTS THAT WILL BE GOING UP AND ALL OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING UP ALSO PRODUCING A WHOLE LOT OF LIGHT POLLUTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, LIGHT POLLUTION. WE USED TO HAVE COWS ACROSS THE STREET. DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. DIDN'T HAVE ANY ROAD NOISE OR ANYTHING ELSE AND WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THAT.
THE OTHER THING WE'RE ALSO GETTING IS ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION NOISE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY HAS A NOISE ORDER NANCE TO 8 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT? I'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE DOING WORK AT 11 AT NIGHT.
THE IN THE MORNING SOME JUST SAID.
I DON'T HEAR IT BECAUSE I SLEEP LIKE THE DEAD.
WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT? MR. HILSENBECK I DON'T BLAME YOU AGAIN FOR NOT COMING OUT. I CAN BARELY GET OUT OF THE COMPLEX ANYMORE. AND NOW THIS TRAFFIC LIGHT'S BEEN PUT UP. IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. AND THE U-TURN THAT WE HAD WAS FINE. NOW WE HAVE TO DO A U-TURN AT 2209. AND I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH MY
MINI GETTING AROUND THAT U-TURN. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> HI, MY NAME IS SHARON STRADDLY. I LIVE AT 310 RYDER CUP CIRCLE UNIT 105. DID YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY I SENT THIS LETTER TO ALL OF YOU BUT I'M GOING TO READ IT FOR MY COMMUNITY. I AM WRITING TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO ZONING SCHEDULE FOR THE MEETING TODAY.
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THE AP LI SCANT REQUESTING A MASSIVE 296.8% INCREASE IN THEIR ALLOWED ADVERTISING DISPLAY. ASKING FOR 793.5 SQUARE FEET FOR 13 WALL SIGNS INSTEAD OF YOUR STRICTLY MANDATED 200 SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM PER BUSINESS. THEY ARE ALSO SEEKING AN EXPANSION OF 106 SQUARE FEET FOR A GAS STATION MONUMENT SIGN EXCEEDING THE 150 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT.I URGE EACH OF YOU TO DENY THIS VARIANCE BASED ON CLEAR CRITERIA SET FORTH UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NO UNIQUE HARDSHIP EXISTING.
BY LAW A VARIANCE REQUIRES A UNIQUE PHYSICAL HARDSHIP RELATED TO THE TOPOGRAPHY OR SHAPE OF THE LAND.
WAL-MART'S REQUEST FOR 13 DISTINCT WALL SCIENCE DRIVEN PURELY BY CORPORATE MARKETING BLUEPRINT AND ECONOMIC PREFERENCE. CORPORATE BRANDING CONVENIENCE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A LEGAL HARDSHIP.
A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT, I AGREE WITH MY PRESIDENT.
FOR CORPORATE ENCROACHMENT. THE 200 SQUARE FOOT SIGN LIMIT EXISTS TO PROTECT THE AESTHETIC CHARACTER AND SAFETY OF ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. IF THE BOARD GRANTS A NEARLY 600 SQUARE FOOT EXEMPTION TO ONE MASSIVE RETAILER, IT COMPLETELY UNDERMINES THE CODE. IT WILL LEAVE THE COUNTY WITH NO LEGAL LEG TO STAND ON WHEN FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS DEMAND THE SAME MASSIVE OVERSIZED DISPLAYS.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, VISUAL, BRIGHT AND CLUTTER. ALLOWING 13 SEPARATE WALL SIGNS ON A SINGLE BUILDING CREATES SEVERE VISUAL POLLUTION AND CORPORATE CLUTTER. THE EXTREME DEVIATION DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE COUNTY'S GOAL OF MAINTAINING ORDERLY, SAFE AND VISUAL APPEALING COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
THE RULES IN PLACE SHOULD APPLY EQUALLY TO ALL BUSINESSES.
LARGE AND SMALL. WAL-MART CAN EASILY OPERATE SUCCESSFULLY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WHILE RESPECTING THE EXACT SAME 200 SQUARE FOOT LIMITS THAT EVERY OTHER BUSINESS MUST FOLLOW. PLEASE PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY STANDARDERS AND DENY THIS APPLICATION.
THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.
THANK YOUR STAFF FOR ALL THAT THEY DO.
WE APPRECIATE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR US.
>>-- 230 PRESIDENT'S CUP WAY LEGENDS AT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.
I HAVE LIVED AT THE LEGENDS FOR 23 YEARS.
ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO GO IN THERE AND HAVE BEEN THERE MY WIFE SXAI LONGER THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
WE'VE WATCHED A LOT OF CHANGE. I'VE LIVED IN ST. AUGUSTINE FOR 91 YEARS OR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR 91 YEARS.
I REMEMBER WHEN IVP WAS A DIRT ROAD AND I DROVE THAT DIRT ROAD A LOT. THE 800 SQUARE FOOT SIGN IS FOUR TIMES WHAT THE ALLOWED SIGNAGE IS IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT.
WHY DO WE NEED ANYTHING THAT BIG TELLING PEOPLE THAT WAL-MART'S THERE AND EVERYBODY IN A 20 MILE RADIUS ALREADY KNOWS WAL-MART'S THERE. AND THEY DON'T NEED AN 800 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. SO-- I ASK THAT THEIR REQUEST BE DENIED. THEY-- IT'S UNNEEDED, REALLY.
>> AM I ALLOWED TO PASS UP COUPLE THINGS TO LOOK AT?
YEAH. OR YOU COULD JUST PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD. IN FACT IT MIGHT BE PART OF
SO IT'S ON THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS DAVIS STRADDLY I'M A BOARD MEMBER AT THE LEGENDS. LIVED THERE FORKER 13 YEARS.
MY ADDRESS IS 310 RYDER CUP CIRCLE UNIT 105.
BEEN A LONG TIME ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
A RESIDENT PLUS OF A LIFETIME-- WHAT I WANT YA'LL TO LOOK AT.
THESE-- I PICKED PICTURES OF EVERY-- BUSINESS ALL THE WAY
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DOWN. AND IF YOU NOTICE, THE ONE THAT OUR GENTLEMAN MENTIONED. HE SHOWED THE ONE THAT WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IGP. IT WAS WAY OFF BEHIND COSTCO DOWN NEAR THE CADILLAC SIGN ON THE ROAD.BUT I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THE PICTURES OF ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES AND HOW NICE THEY LOOK.
FOR A BUSINESS, THEY HAVE TREES AROUND IT.
THEY KEEP IT AS NICE AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT GLARING AT YOU.
WE KNOW THERE'S COMMERCIAL THINGS.
BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES AN APPEARANCE OF A NICE NEIGHBOURHOOD. AND I BELIEVE WORLD GOLFVILLEAGE IS ONE OF THE NICER NEIGHBOURHOODS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF THIS COUNTY. AND SO I REALIZE AS MENTIONED THAT THE ONE BY THE STREETS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVEED.
BUT AT LEAST ALLOW THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE SAME KIND OF TREES AND YOU KNOW-- ITEMS AROUND THAT.
TO MAKE IT AS ATTRACTIVE AS THEY CAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
>> 310 RYDER CUP CIRCLE. I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON A LITTLE BIT OF THE BIG PICTURE GOING PAST THE TRAFFIC THERE.
I'M TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION FIRE STATION NUMBER 16 UP THE ROAD AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY HAVE TO GET PAST WHEN COMING THROUGH FOR EMERGENCIES. EVERYTHING-- THEY CAN ACCESS IT ANY OTHER EASIER WAY. AND THEY ARE OUT THERE LEFT AND RIGHT. THEY DON'T NEED SIGNAGE TO LOOK AT TRAFFIC. CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS WITH CONG CONGESTION.
SAME THING WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SCHOOLS RIGHT UP THE STREET. TOY CREEK HIGH SCHOOL HAS 2200 STUDENTS IN THERE. THOSE KIDS ARE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THERE ALL THE TIME. AND AGAIN THE LAST THING WE NEED IS KIDS HIT BY VEHICLES COMING THROUGH.
AND THE SIGNAGE IS JUST GOING TO COMPLICATE THAT PROBLEM.
SO I WILL STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE SIGNAGE BE TURNED DOWN. THANK YOU.
>> MY NAME IS BARRY SPIZER. I LIVE AT 230 PRESIDENT'S CUP WAY IN THE LEGENDS. I'M LOOKING AT THE SIGNAGE REQUESTS. AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR QUITE AWHILE. I ALSO HAD THE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR THE WAL-MART FACILITY. WAS ORIGINALLY PUT TOGETHER.
>> COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BETTER?
>> IT'S BEEN QUITE A CHANGE FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLANS WITH THE ORIGINAL DIAGRAMS ARE SHOWS. THE MAJOR ONE THAT'S AFFECTING US WAS THE MOVEMENT OF THE ENTIRE GAS STATION FROM 2209 INTO SECTION TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE LEGENDS CONDOMINIUMS WHICH IS WHAT'S CAUSING THE ISSUE. NOW IN ADDITION TO MOVING THAT, THE SIGNAGE HAS BEEN CHANGED. AND THERE'S A REQUEST NOW FOR SIGNAGE TO BE PLACED ON TOP OF THE CANOPY OF THE GAS STATION WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE LEGENDS CONDOMINIUMS. THEY WANT TO PUT A MONUMENT SIGN ON TOP OF THE GAS STATION.
THE REASON THAT THE SIDES-- LIGHT POLLUTIO, THE REASON IT'S BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION IS THAT ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS, THERE WAS NO SIGNAGE ON TOP OF THE GAS STATION.
THERE WASN'T ANY REQUEST FOR IT. THERE'S A MONUMENT AT THE ROADSIDE ACROSS FROM THE LEGENDS.
A SIGNAGE THERE. WHICH MADE SENSE THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE. THAT'S WHAT THE SIGNAGE IS.
BUT NOW, WITH THE CHANGE IN POSITION OF THE GAS STATION, WHICH WAS A SURPRISE, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I SAID OH-- THAT'S NICE. THE GAS STATION'S OVER ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. SO IT'S NOT NEAR ANY HOMES.
AND THEN YOU WAKE UP ONE MORNING AND THE GAS STATION HAS BEEN CHANGED TO DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE ENTRANCE.
TO THE LEGENDS HOMES. MORE GIVEN ABOUT THAT.
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IN ADDITION, THEY NOW MOVED THE SIGNAGE FROM THE ROADSIDE TO ON TOP OF THE GAS STATION. NOW THAT SIGNAGE HAS GOT TO BE TWO STORIES HIGH. TALKING ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION AND STUFF. NO THOUGHT GIVEN TO ANY OF THE PEOPLE LIVING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS.AND MY THOUGHT IS TO REJECT THIS REQUEST.
>> HI MY NAME IS DAVID-- MY ADDRESS IS 115 LEGENDARY DRIVE.
103. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE GAS STATION. MY CONCERNS ARE TO RESTORE THIS PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S PEOPLE URINATING 20 FEET FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW. I'VE HAD PEOPLE AT 10:30 AT NIGHT 10 FEET FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW.
AND WHEN I ADDRESSED THEM, THEY WERE BELLIGERENT TO ME.
THERE WAS NO POLICING OF ANY OTHER KIND UNFORTUNATELY.
NO CODE ENFORCEMENT. THERE'S BEEN TRUCK DELIVERIES AT 6 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 5 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THEY WERE WORKING ON THE WAL-MART STORE THE OTHER DAY AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. THE COUNTY WORKERS TOO, THERE WAS AN AGENT OF THE COUNTY THAT WAS URINATING OUT THERE DOING THE CONCRETE WORK ON THE LIGHT FIXTURE OUT THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING CONCRETE WHICH IS AGAINST THE WALLS WITHOUT MASKS ON. WITHOUT EYE PROTECTION ON.
WITHOUT A WET SAW. SO THAT SILICONE DIOXIDE A CANCER CAUSING MATERIAL IS GOING INTO EVERYBODY'S BACK SCREEN PORCH AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE HAVE A DISEASE STATE OF THE LUNGS OR THE HEART IN OUR-- BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY RETIRED PEOPLE. MOST ARE ON THEIR LAST LEG OF LIFE BEING EXPOSED TO THAT THE BENZINE COMPOUNDS THAT COME OFF THE GAS PUMPS AND FILLING SITES FOR THE GAS TANKS ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S BEEN PROBABLY A HUNDRED YARDS FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW. AND A LOT OF COUNTIES IN FLORIDA, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A 500 YARD SECTION OF GAS TANKS.
THERE'S OVER 4,000 FIRES USING GAS STATIONS A YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES. THAT HAS POTENTIAL TO HARM ALL OF US. MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE CARS OR STATIC ELECTRICITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I USED TO BE INVOLVED WITH-- HOPEFULLY GONE INTO SOME CITIES AND COMMUNITIES. THEY DO RISK ASSESSMENTS AND PROTECTIVE FACTORS FOR KIDS AND COMMUNITIES AND WHAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT WE'RE RAISING OUR KIDS IN.
THIS IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENT WE PUT A FEW BLOCKS I WAY FROM SCHOOLS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAS STATIONS ALL ACROSS UP AND DOWN WORLD GOLF.
THIS SOMEONE PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO THE HIGHWAY.
I DIDN'T MEASURE IT OR WHATEVER. AND THE DENSITY OF PUMPS OUT THERE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE GREATEST OF ANY OF THOSE ON WORLD GOLF VILLAGES AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ALL EXPOSED TO THE VOCS INVOLVED AND THE CHEMICALS THAT COME OFF THIS.
ALL POTENTIAL CORPS SINNO JENS CAUSING CHILDHOOD LEUKEMIA.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.
AND ONE LAST THING, THE REPRESENTATIVE I BELIEVE WHEN HE CAME UP HERE LIKE ALL OF OUR WAL-MART STORES, WE WANT THIS SIGNAGE. SO IF THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS SIGNAGE BEFORE TODAY. THEY'VE HAD THE MATERIALS FOR THE SIGNAGE AT THE GAS STATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS MARGARET JAMES AND I LIVE AT 130 LEGENDARY DRIVE 104. I HAVE A SIDE VIEW OF INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY. AND IT IS RIDICULOUS THE AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS THERE HAVE BEEN ON THAT STRETCH.
AND WITH THE PRICES OF GAS TODAY, EVERYBODY DRIVING IN EITHER DIRECTION ARE CHECKING GAS PRICES.
THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY ACCIDENTS AND THAT'S GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO ONE. BECAUSE EVERYBODY-- HOW MUCH IS WAL-MART'S GAS? AGAIN OUR PROPERTY VALUES WENT RIGHT DOWN YOU KNOW WHERE. NOBODY CARED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE PART OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TOO.
JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A VERY WEALTHY COMMUNITY DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN YOU DO ALL KINDS OF STATISTICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHEN THEY PLAY INTO THAT, BRINGING DOWN OUR PROPERTY VALUES BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS DONE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT RIGHT.
CHARLIE-- RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS GREAT ESTABLISHMENT
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THAT THANKS TO STATE ROAD 29 I KNOW AS THE HUDSON HIGHWAY.THAT'S WHAT MADE AVAILABLE TO PUT THIS MEGA WAL-MART IN THIS SPOT. BECAUSE OF THE THROUGHFARE THAT'S RIGHT THERE. FWOU HEAR A MEGA CORPORATION COME IN AND USE-- WELL THEY HAVE BIGGER SIGNS DOWN THE ROAD THAN YA'LL PASSED IT. LIKE THE HOME DEPOT.
THE BUCKY'S. THAT OUTRAGEOUS BASS PRO SHOPS.
YA'LL KNOW WHERE I COME FROM ON THIS RIGHT HERE.
BECAUSE THIS IS THE OTHER THING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS. AND I HAVEN'T BROUGHT MY-- STONES BUT THE ACTUAL ELECTRICAL JAM FROM THIS.
BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S STEMMED FROM.
AND WE KNOW THAT YES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT WAS THE ROYAL COMMERCE CENTRE PROPERTY 25 PLUS YEARS AGO.
WHERE THEY LAID IT ALL OUT FOR US.
WAREHOUSE FACILITIES BEHIND IN WAL-MART IS GOING THERE.
AND TO IS-- THE ENVIRONMENT AND IF YOU DRIVE AROUND PLEASE.
IF YOU LOOK AROUND AND SAY I LIVE HERE.
BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE. MAKES COMMON SENSE.
FOR THE ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS. AND I HOPE THAT CONSERVATIVE COME OUT MONDAY MORNING. WHEN SCHOOL STARTS, OKAY? PLEASE DO. AND GET THIS, I'M PRETTY SURE IT WASN'T TRUE, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE LAYOUT-- IT SAYS, WINE AND SPIRITS JUST NEXT TO THE ENTRY DOOR.
WHAT'S GOING ON. AS WE KNOW, YES, SIGNS, SIGNS, SIGNS IS BURNING DOWN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IN A HOLE.
AND IF PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS FINDING 180,000 SQUARE FOOT WAL-MART. THEY AIN'T FROM AROUND HERE.
THANK YOU. >> AND IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE'RE BACK FORKER
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ET CETERA. >> IS THIS GOING TO BE A 24 HOUR
WAL-MART OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT? >> ALL RIGHT WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT. HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A REB REBUTTAL USUALLY IT'S AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT OFTEN WE ASK QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I WILL ASK HIM THAT.
DURING HIS REBUTTAL. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK? MR. LABANOWSK SNICHLT MS. SPIEGEL?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MR. SMITH.
THIS IS PART OF THE WORLD COMMERCE PUD IS THAT CORRECT
SIR? >> FOR THE RECORD JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. YES, MA'AM THROUGH THE CHAIR
THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY AND SO THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, THIS PUD. THIS IS JUST THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF WORLD GOLF VILLAGE. IS THAT CORRECT?
AM I CORRECT? >> YES, MA'AM, THIS IS THE COMMERCE PORTION. YES, MA'AM.
>> AND WHAT WAS THIS PUD APPROVED?
>> IT WAS APPROVED IN 2003. >> SO IT'S BEEN 23 YEARS SINCE IT'S BEEN INTENDED THAT THIS WOULD BE COMMERCIAL IN THIS
>> OKAY. AND THEN TOWN HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET. THESE LOVELY PEOPLE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT. I ALWAYS LOVE TO HEAR PEOPLE'S COMMENTS. HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN THERE?
>> GIVEMY QUICK MOMENT. >> OKAY I'M SORRY PUTTING YOU ON
THE SPOT. >> WE CAN TELL YOU IT WAS 2006 WHEN THE INITIAL BUILDINGS WERE PUT UP.
>> I'M LOOKING FOR THE DATE THAT THE PUD WAS APPROVED.
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EXCUSE ME. AND YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME IF P.OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YA'LL. TO BRING HIM UP?
>> SURE, YES. >> OKAY, THERE IS A PAGE IN HERE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S AN MDP.
I BELIEVE IT'S PART OF THE CONVENANTS FOR THIS PUD.
AND THERE'S A PAGE IN HERE ON HOW TO DIRECT YOU TO THE RIGHT PAGE NUMBERS. 1721 AND IT'S A PICTURE OF THE LAYOUT WITH THE WAL-MART THERE. THE GAS STATION THERE AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT WOULD BE ENCIRCLING IT IN FRONT THERE. AND THEN NEXT TO IT THERE IS EXHIBIT C USE RESTRICTIONS AND IT LISTS PARTICULAR USERS.
IS THAT A FAIRLY NEW DOCUMENT. DD THEY KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE IN THERE OR IS THIS FAIRLY NEW? IS THIS PART OF WHAT THEY ARE
ESTABLISHING NOW? >> THAT'S PART OF THE PUD I
WOULD NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. >> YOU'RE JUST HERE FOR THE SIGN. AND I KNOW WE'RE JUST HERE FOR THE SIGNS. BUT I WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF THE INTENT OF THIS PART OF WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.
AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE EVENTUALLY.
BECAUSE COMMERCIAL WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO GO THERE.
WHETHER YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOUSE OR NOT.
THAT WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN. AS FAR AS I CAN GATHER.
MR. SMITH WILL LET ME KNOW ALSO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE-- BESIDES THE PARKING LOT AND THE GLARING STRAIGHT ONTO WAL-MART, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF OTHER STORES IN BETWEEN IGP AND THE WAL-MART THERE.
OKAY. I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE SCIENCE BUT I'M GOING TO DEFOREMY LEARNED COLLEAGUES.
>> MR. LABANOWSKI. >> DON'T RUN OFF.
>> THE CANOPY ITSELF. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIGHTED SIGNS ON THE VERY END FACING IGP?
>> WOULD BE ALLOWED THE WAL-MART LETTERS ARE INTERNALLY ELIMINATED FOR ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS.
>> BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING THE GAS PRICES UP THERE AS WELL
ON THE VERY SNEND. >> WE ARE ASKING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE GAS PRICES ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS.
>> AND YOU WANT AN ENLARGEMENT OF THIS-- THE MONUMENT FOR THE
GAS STATION AS WELL? >> INDEED.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE TEN SQUARE FEET SO WE CAN KEEP THINGS IN PROPORTION SO THEY LOOK THE SAME.
>> SIMPLE QUESTION. WHY DO YOU NEED BOTH? AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT-- RIGHT THERE IN THE IGP.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT FROM-- 2209, SO-- AND IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE MONUMENT THERE.
THE OVERSIZED MONUMENT. QUESTIONABLE.
IF YOU COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER MONUMENTS AROUND.
BUT TO HAVE AN OVERHEAD AND THAT CANOPY OVERHEADLIGHT WITH THE GAS PRICES IS GOING TO BE SHINING RIGHT INTO THE CONDOS THAT ARE THERE. I MEAN DIRECTLY.
SO NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE RED GREEN AND YELLOW.
NOW THEY ALSO HAVE THE GAS STATION PRICES.
IS SO I'VE GOT CONCERNS OVER HAVING THE SIGNS UP ON THE CANOPY ITSELF. AND EACH ENTRANCE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ITS OWN WAL-MART MONUMENT AS WELL, CORRECT? 2209 AND IGP. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE-- MONUMENTS COMING IN OFF IGP?
>> NO. THERE ARE TWO MONUMENTS THERE.
ONE THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FUEL STATION ON IGP.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. ONE OF THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS SUGGESTED THAT FOR A NON-ZONING VARIANCE, THEY HAD TO PROVE A HARDSHIP. AND I DON'T SEE THE WORD HARDSHIP USED IN ANY OF OUR CRITERIA FOR EVALUATION.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR MATERIAL WHICH IS A SERIES OF QUESTIONSER TO QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING. THIS REQUEST FOR A NON-ZONING
VARIANCE. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES, SIR.
SO THIS IS A BIG NON-ZONING VARIANCE.
AND IT HAS EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY IT IS A NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR A SIGN. SO IT HAS ITS OWN CRITERIA AND IT IS NOT RELATED TO HARDSHIP. IT IS RELATED TO PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES IN IMPLEMENTING THE CODE.
IT ALSO INCLUDES CONTEXT OF SEPARATION FROM ROADWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE FULL LIST IS MOST CERTAINLY PROVIDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. BUT IT IS NOT ABOUT A HARDSHIP REPORT OR UNIQUE SITUATION RELATED TO THE LOT SIZE OR
COUPLE ALSO FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS. I GUESS I'LL START WITH THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE TO ALLOW LIGHTED CHANGING SIGNS ON THE
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CANOPY IN ADDITION TO THE MON MONUMENT SIGNS FOR THE-- I'LL JUST MAKE THE OBSERVATION.AND YOU CAN RESPOND TO IT IF YOU WANT.
THAT THIS IS NOT A HIGH SPEED ROAD THERE.
IT'S PLUS THE ADDITION OF THAT SIGNAL.
THE NEW SIGNAL THAT IS EXCLUSIVELY THERE FOR THIS CENTER. WILL CAUSE A LOT MORE SLOWING OF TRAFFIC. ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE-- I THINK MOST OF US HAVE OBSERVED THE VOLUME OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC FROM SUPER WAL-MART SITES. SO I JUST QUESTION THE NEED TO HAVE THIS HIGHER LIGHTED SIGN. FOR SLOW ER TRAFFIC CORRIDOR WIH ALL THESE MOVEMENTS. ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT.
THE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A CANOPY TO BE-- TO HAVE A LIGHTING GAS PRICING SIGN IS EXTREMELY THERE.
SITED ONE INSTANCE. AND THAT WAS INTERSECTION OF RACETRACK. TOTALLY COMMERCIALIZED BOTH SIDES CORNER. SO IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. MY OTHER QUESTION IS THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE SAW. THEY WEREN'T IN OUR STAFF REPORT. LOOKING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT TOWARD THE NEW LAWN. WAL-MART BUILDING.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU HAD YOUR CAMERA AT ADJUSTED.
BUT THAT BUILDING LOOKED FAR MORE IN THE DISTANCE THAN I OBSERVE IT WHEN I'M ON THAT STREET.
I KNOW IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE WAY YOU ADJUSTED YOUR CAMERA TO GET THE FULL BUILDING IN. BUT YOU CAN MANIPULATE-- AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS INTENTINAL. PHOTOS AND REAL ESTATE AGENTS DO IT ALL THE TIME TO MAKE ROOMS LOOK MUCH LARGER AND MORE SPACIOUS THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE IN LISTING PROMOTIONS.
SO YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT. I DO GRANT THAT EXPERIENCING WAL-MARTS, IT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE EXTERIOR IDENTIFICATION ON WHICH DEPARTMENT MIGHT BE CLOSEST TO WHICH PART OF THE PARKING LOT.
BUT I DO QUESTION WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE THE SIZE THAT THEY ARE AND I'LL JUST REFERENCE ONE THAT I THOUGHT WAS ESPECIALLY HOME AND FASHION. 325 FEET.
>> THAT'S INCHES. THE OVERALL WIDTH.
>> 325 INCHES? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE HOME AND FASHION SIGN?
I THINK YOU SAID THAT THE-- YOU REPORTED THAT HOME DEPOT WAS GRANTED A VARIANCE FOR A SIGN SIGNAGE.
BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS GRANTED ANYWHERE NEAR BASED ON THIS INFORMATION. I BELIEVE I ALSO SAW ON THE STAFF REPORT. I MENTIONED SEVERAL THINGS.
IF YOU'LL RESPOND TO THE ONES I'VE MENTIONED.
I DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION OR ZOOMING IN WHEN I WAS TAKING THOSE PHOTOS FROM THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT USING AN IPHONE 14. I DID NOT ZOOM IN OR MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT. WHEN I TOOK THOSE PHOTOS.
AS FOR THE PRICERS I SUN ANDS WE KNOW THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS RARELY IF EVER APPROVED THOSE PRICERS.
WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF IT.
OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE ALLOWED ON MONUMENTS SIGNS.
TO BE AGREEABLE TO THE REMOVALS. THE GRASS PRICERS ON THE CANOPY.
>> THE WAL-MART SCIENCE THEMSELVES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY
THEY ARE NOT LIGHTED. >> THEY ARE ILLUMINATED AND THEY
WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING. >> CAN YOU RESPOND TO THE NEED
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TO HAVE AS LARGE A SIGN AREA THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS IN THE STORE FROM THE OUTSIDE? WHEN SOMEONE ON THE SITE AND IN THE PARKING LOT THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS.IT ISN'T FROM THE STREET ITSELF. THERE'S ONLY TWO SIGNIFICANT ENTRANCES OF WAL-MART. THERE'S TWO SIGNIFICANT ONES.
SO YOU'RE IN THE PARKING LOT ALR
ALREADY. >> THAT PORTION OF THE ELEVATION SO THAT WE CAN VIEW IT. AS THESE ARE CURRENTLY SIZED.
THEY ARE 2 FOOT TALL LETTERS. THEY ARE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE ASKING FOR 10 FOOT BY 30 FOOT HIGH RISE TYPE SIGN.
FOR THE GROCERY HOME AND FASHION IT ACTUALLY IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THIS THEY CENTRE AND LOOK PRETTY GOOD OVER THE ENTRANCES.
NOW IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL SIZE FOR THAT REASON, YES YOU MIGHT BE IN THE PARKING LOT BUT IF YOU ARE ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT WHICH IS ALMOST 600 FEET FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE OR READ THAT.
IN FABLTH IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO READ THAT FROM THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT TO THE FRONT OF THE STORE AT THAT SIZE.
IF HEIGHT OF THE LETTERS GROCERY.
SO IT'S NOT AN EXTREMELY LARGE SIGN AT ALL.
NOR WOULD BE VISION IT TO 2 FOOT TALL BY 8 FOOT WIDE.
THAT IS VERY LARGE BUILDING AS I NOTED WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, RIGHT. AND IT'S 375 LINEAR FEET.
IN A QUICK CALCULATION OF SURFACE AREA OF THAT FASCIA, JUST THAT FRONT FASCIA IS 9375 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE ARE NOT ASKING TO CLUTTER THE BUILDING WITH 3,000 OR 2,000 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE. WE'RE TRYING TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE RIGHT AREA. AND BE VISIBLE.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY AS YOU SHRINK THE SIGN HEIGHT, THE WIDTH SHRINKS AS WELL. AND IN DOING SO, IT MAKES IT
>> MS. SPIEGEL? >> HI, WELL I CONCUR WITH MR. OLSON ABOUT THE ILLUMINATED SIGNS ON THE CANOPY.
THAT'S A NO FOR ME. I JUST-- AM NOT A FAN OF THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A MONUMENT SIGN GOING ON TOP OF THE CANOPIES THOUGH. I THINK IT'S RIGHT WITHIN THE CANOPIES AND THAT'S ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
I DID DRIVING LOOKING AT GAS STATIONS.
OKAY I AM HUGE NOT FAN OF BIG SIGNS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE APPROVED VERY MANY UP HERE.
I'M USUALLY A VOTE AGAINST. BUT CONSIDERING THE PERCENTAGE USE OF 8.3% OF THE SURFACE APPROXIMATELY?
>> RIGHT. >> AND IF YOU HAD A SEPARATE GROCERY STORE AND A SEPARATE PHARMACY AND A SEPARATE HOME AND FASHION STORE. SEPARATE VISION, EACH OF THOSE ENTITLED TO A SIGN JUST LIKE YOU HAVE THOSE EIGHT COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT WILL BE GOING ACROSS FROM YOU.
EACH OF THEM WILL HAVE A SIGN AS WELL.
WHICH COULD END UP TOTALLING A LARGER AMOUNT.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S TASTEFULLY DONE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S OVER THE TOP. I WILL SAY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I REALIZED THAT THAT'S A SPARK AND NOT A FLOWER.
SO I'VE BEEN EDUCATED TODAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS A FLOWER ALL THESE YEARS. AND THAT'S A LOT OF YEARS.
SO I'VE-- IF YOU WILL OMIT THE LIGHT UP SIGN ON THE CANOPY, THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD BE IN FAVOUR OF THAT.
I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS REQUEST IS OUT OF LINE, FOLKS.
I THINK IT'S REASONABLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GARISH.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE-- A LITTLE MORE GARISH.
BUT IT'S A LARGE STORE. AND WHEN WE DID THE CODE, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY INTENDED BIG BOX STORES.
THAT ARE FOUR OR FIVE SIX STORES IN ONE.
SO ANYWAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S.
>> I'M NOT FINISHED. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND MR. GREEN WANTS TO SPEAK AS WELL.
>> IT'S NO PROBLEM IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ASKED AND I KNOW YOU'RE THE SIGN GUY NOT THE WAL-MART GUY. BUT IS THIS A 24 HOUR STORE? DO YOU KNOW TO ANSWER? IF NOT I TOTALLY GET IT.
>> TO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM JUST WORKING WITH WAL-MART, MOST STORES ARE NOT 24 HOURS ANYMORE. THEY DO CLOSE.
I TONIGHT KNOW THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS STORE SO I CAN'T UNEQUIVOCALLY TELL YOU BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE OPENING
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24 HOUR STORES ANY LONGER. >> SO THE SIGNS ON THE BUILDING PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. THE BUILDING SITS RIGHT BACK.
MENTIONED YOU GOT OUT PARTIAL LOCATIONS THAT EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE BUILT. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE SIGNS. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE LIGHTS. I TOTALLY GET THE PARKING LIGHT ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBOURS. BUT I MEAN MAYBE STAFF CAN DIRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I ASSUME ALL THAT'S BEEN ENGINEERED OUT THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP THEIR LIGHT POLLUTION BASICALLY ON THEIR SITE WITH THESE GIANT PARKING LOTS.
I KNOW I HAVE TO, SO I ASSUME THE BIGGER THE MORE RESTRICTED
THEY ARE ON LIGHT POLLUTION. >> YES, SIR THROUGH THE CHAIR AGAIN JACOB SMITH FOR THE RECORD, COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT PHOTO METRIC PLANS THAT INDICATE THAT THE LIGHT DOES NOT EXCEED A CERTAIN VALUE CROSSING THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. AND SO THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO NOT JUST OF COURSE THE WAL-MART SITE BUT TO ANY OUT PARCELS THAT GO UP. AND I DON'T MEAN TO CUT OVER YOU SIR, I WANTED TO MR. CHAIR I WANTED TO ANSWER MS. SPIEGEL'S QUESTION ABOUT THE APARTMENTS OR CONDOS ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT IS PART OF THE ST. JOHN'S DRI AND THE CORRESPONDING PUD.
THEY DATE BACK TO THE MID-'90S ON ORIGINAL APPROVALS AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE FILED FOR THE CONDOMINIUMS IN 2001.
>> SO THE-- SEEMS LIKE WITH THE AUDIENCE HAS THE MOST TROUBLE WITH IS THE FUELLING STATION. THE MONUMENT SIGN THERE.
SO THAT MONUMENT SIGN WHERE I UNDERSTAND IT, WOULD BE WORLD GOLF WOULD BE BASICALLY EAST OR WEST.
IT WON'T BE FACING TOWARDS THE APARTMENTS.
SO THE LIGHT COMING OFF OF THAT SHOULD NOT AFFECT IT.
>> CORRECT. AND ON THAT PARTICULAR SIGN, 150 SQUARE FEET AS WE SHOW IT IF WE WERE TO SHRINK IT WOULD BE
SO THE ILLUMINATED PART-- SO YOU'RE JUST REALLY WANTING TO SORT OF FROM WHAT I LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN TAKE AWAY THE MONUMENT STUFF. STILL KEEP THE SAME ILLUMINATED SIGN AND YOU'D PROBABLY BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SQUARE
FOOTAGE. >> WE WOULD RECALCULATE JUST OFF OF THE SIGN AREA. SO THE--.
>> CAN YOU SORT OF EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AS WELL AS WHAT THE
AUDIENCE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT. >> SO THE CALCULATION IS-- THIS WOULD BE THE SIGN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED.
JUST THE SIGN AREA. SO THE 10 FOOT WIDE BY 10 FOOT TALL. ON THIS PARTICULAR MONUMENT WHICH IS THE SLIGHTLY LARGER ONE THAT THIS ONE WOULD BE 10 PLUS 6 TIMES 10. SO 160 SQUARE FEET.
>> OKAY. SO-- AGAIN, I GUESS, YOU CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION. WHETHER THAT'D BE ELIMINATED 24 HOURS A DAY. OR WOULD THAT GO OFF DURING THE CLOSING HOURS OF THE FUELLING STATION?
>> SO FOR ALL ILLUMINATED SIGNS. WE TIED IT INTO THE ENERGY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OF WAL-MART. SO IF THEY ARE NOT OPERATING AND YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE TURNING EVERYTHING OFF.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ON IN TERMS OF LIGHTING.
>> OKAY, I KNOW SOME FUELLING STATIONS KEEP THE LIGHTS ON.
ILLUMINATION, IS THERE A-- AND THIS IS JUST FROM MY OWN CURIOSITY. LIKE ON THE BUILDING OR THE SIGN, IS THERE A CERTAIN BRIGHTNESS THAT YOU ARE
RESTRICTED BY? >> WELL, THE ACTUAL PRICERS THEMSELVES THEIR ELECTRONICS WHICH WAS A MAJOR MANUFACTURE OF L.E.D. BOARDS AND PRICERS. YOU WERE ABLE TO CHANGE THE BRIGHTNESS ON THOSE. AND THEY ALSO AUTO CHANGED.
SO FOR NOW, LIKE IF YOU ARE DRIVING, THE LUMENS THAT ARE PUT OFF DURING THE DAY ARE DIFFERENT THAN AT NIGHT SO THAT YOU CAN STILL READ THEM DURING THE DAY. AND OF COURSE YOU CAN OVERRIDE THAT AND SET IT TO A PARTICULAR ILLUMINATION.
>> SO DOES IT DIM DOWN AT NIGHT THEN?
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. >> RIGHT DURING THE DAY WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THE EFFECT YOU NEED IT TO BE BRIGHTER SO THAT IT CAN BE SEEN WITH THE SUN AFFECT THE SIGN.
>> OKAY THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT.
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>> MR. LABANOWSKI I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU IN A MINUTE BUT I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
NUMBER ONE IS DO YOU HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVES TO THIS? WHAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY IT'S TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT? DID YOU COME PREPARED WITH ANY ALTERNATIVES? WE'VE ASKED MANY PEOPLE THAT SAME QUESTION.
>> UNDERSTOOD. I KNOW THAT WAL-MART WOULD ENTERTAIN VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES FOR EXAMPLE.
WE KNOW THAT THE ASK FOR THE PRICERS ON THE CANOPY IS A BIT OF A LONG STRETCH HERE IN THE COUNTY.
SO WE WOULD BE WILLING TO OMIT THOSE FROM THE ENTIRE PACKAGE.
IF THERE WERE OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT THE BOARD IMPOSED.
>> OKAY I THINK I SAW THIS CORRECTLY BUT AT EACH END OF THE BUILDING, YOU HAVE PHARMACY UP THERE ON A SIGN.
SO IF YOU WERE TO--. >> SO ONE END WAY FAR AWAY FROM THE OTHER IT SAYS PHARMACY AND THEN DOWN HERE IT SAYS PHARMACY
DRIVE-THR SNUCHLT. >> THAT'S FOR THE DRIVE-THRU SO
YEAH-- THE ACTUAL. >> OKAY IN THE ITEM YOU STATED THAT YOU WANTED TO ALLEVIATE CONFUSION AND CONGESTION.
WELL IF I DROVE IN THERE AND I SAW PHARMACY DOWN HERE AND PHARMACY OVER HERE, I'M ALREADY CONFUSED.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO CREATE CONGESTION.
SO-- AND THEN YOU HAVE A SIGN NOT ONLY FROM THE PHARMACY DRIVE-THRU BUT THEN YOU HAVE A SIGN OVER THE TWO LANES OF THE DRIVE-THRU. SO I MEAN-- IF PEOPLE HAVE LIVED ON THIS LA NET A LONG TIME INCLUDING ME AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A DRIVE-THRU WITHOUT HAVING A SIGN FOR THE DRIVE-THRU THERE, YOU NEED MORE THAN THE MEDICATION I THINK TO GET THERE. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS EXCESSIVE. NEARLY FOUR TIMES WHAT THE CODE STATES. SO I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S EXCESSIVE. SO I WISH HUH SOME ALTERNATIVES OTHER THAN JUST THE MONUMENT SIGN NOW HAVING THE LIGHTED CHANGING NUMERALS FOR GAS PRICES.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S EXCESSIVE. I PERSONALLY VOTED AGAINST GOING BACK TO THE BUCKY'S SIGN, THE HOME DEPOT SIGN.
THE THE BASS PRO SHOP SIGN. I VOTED AGAINST ALL THOSE.
YET THEY ARE THERE TODAY. SO I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS UNLESS THERE'S SOME CHANGES MADE.
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO IT. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EXCESSIVE.
SO YOU KNOW, I CAN VOTE FOR REASONABLE INCREASES AND HAVE ON MANY OCCASIONS. BUT I THINK NEARLY FOUR TIMES EVEN FOR A MASSIVE STORE LIKE THIS IS EXCESSIVE.
SO I THINK YOU COULD DO AWAY WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE.
MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN A WAL-MART BEFORE.
I PROBABLY BEEN IN 10 OR 15 OF THEM.
THE LAYOUT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
YOU WALK IN THERE AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S OVER ON THIS SIDE P THE GROCERIES AREN'T OVER HERE? WELL THAT'S HOME AND FASHION AND SOME APPLIANCES. TVS IN THE BACK.
OVER ON THIS SIDE IS THE GROCERIES.
YOU KNOW THERE'S CAR RENTAL PLACE UP FRONT THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET WHEN THEY WALK INTO A WAL-MART.
AND WALKING A FEW HUNDRED EXTRA FEET IT'S PROBABLY GOOD FOR MOST PEOPLE FRANKLY. SO I JUST I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT.
YOU'RE NOT OUT ON I-95. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED ALL THAT SIGNAGE. IT'S--.
I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AT THE MOMENT. SO I'LL RECOGNIZE M
MR. LABANOWSKI. >> JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION THE MONUMENT SIGN ON 2209 IS THAT GOING TO BE IDENTICAL TO THE ONE ON IGP? GAS PRICES ON IT AS WELL? AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN SIZE ON 2209 AS
>> OKAY ALL RIGHT THAT'S ALL. >> MS. SPIEGEL?
>> OKAY. THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD POINTS DR. HILSENBECK. ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE PHARMACY.
WOULD THEY CONSIDER TAKING OFF ONE OF THOSE PHARMACY PICK-UPS? THAT ARE KIND OF REDUNDANT RIGHT THERE?
>> I'M SURE THEY WOULD. JUST TO MAKE THE POINT.
THE DRIVE-THRU PICK-UP IS ON THE LEFT SIDE BUT THE ACTUAL PHARMACY. LIKE WHERE THE FLOOR PLAN FOR WHERE THE PHARMACY ITEMS WOULD BE WOULD BE TO THE RIGHT WHICH IS WHY THERE ARE THE MULTIPLE SIGNS.
>> SEEMS INEFFICIENT TO ME. >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
I'M NOT THEIR ARCHITECT. >> COULD SAY PHARMACY INSTEAD.
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>> SORRY YOU ALREADY HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
>> JUST WONDERING IF ONE COULD COME DOWN.
THAT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE APPEALING.
AS I SAID PROPORTIONATELY IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO SOME OF THE SIGN. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A FORWARD.
IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT CONSIDER. CHANGE IT TO JUST PHARMACY AND PHARMACY PICK-UP. AND THEN PHARMACY DRIVE-THRU.
THAT WOULD TAKE A BIT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OFF.
>> JUST TO ADDRESS THE PICK-UP IT WOULD BE FOR AN ORDER YOU CALLED IN AND THERE'S PARKING TO PICK-UP.
SO THE PICK-UP IS ON THIS PARTICULAR ELEVATION IS A SEPARATE SERVICE THAT WAL-MART OFFERS THAN THE PHARMACY DRIVE-THRU. WHICH IS THE PHARMACY DRIVE-THRU TO THE LEFT. I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE WILLING
TO REMOVE ONE OF THOSE SIGNS. >> SO THE PHARMACY IS RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHERE THE PHARMACY IS TOO
AS WELL. >> THAT WOULD BE THE PHARMACY FOR YOUR OBVIOUS-- SO THEY HAVE THE PHARMACY WHERE YOU CAN GET YOUR PRESCRIPTION ITEMS. AND THEN THEY HAVE AN AREA THAT WOULD BEER IN ITEMS THAT YOU CAN BUY OFF THE SHELF.
AND THAT WOULD BE TOWARDS THE OTHER SIDE.
>> THIS NEW TREND WE'RE HAVING WHERE THEY BRING YOU YOUR GROC GROCERIES.
>> RIGHT THAT'S THE PICK-UP IN AND OF ITSELF.
AND/OR ONLINE. HAVING THE PICK-UP AND THE NUMBER AROUND THE OTHER SIDE WHERE AUTO CARE IS.
AND HAVE THAT BROUGHT OUT TO YOU.
>> OKAY SO YOU GOT OVER TO THE LEFT YOU GOT PICK-UP.
PHARMACY DRIVE-THRU WHICH IS ON THE BUILDING WHICH ISN'T ACTUAL DRIVE-THR SXUCHLT THEN YOU HAVE PHARMACY DRIVE-THRU ON THE CANOPY THERE. THE REDONED ANDS OF THAT.
MAYBE PHARMACY PICK-UP WITH THE WORDS BEING AS SMALL AS PHARMACY WITH THE PICK-UP. I DON'T KNOW.
ANYWAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP.
MAKE IT SMALL SORE IT'S A MORE-- OKAY.
WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. >> WE'LL ALSO SAY THAT THE WAL-MART I WOULD TYPICALLY GO TO DOWN ON U.S. 1 SOUTH IS-- I DON'T RECALL THEM HAVING A SEPARATE WINE AND SPIRITS SIGN OUT THERE. I KNOW THE WINE'S IN THE BACK ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO I'M NOT OBJECTING TO A SIGN FOR ONE. BUT THAT'S ONE THAT CAN BE ELIMINATED AND YOU WOULDN'T LOSE ANYTHING.
PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE WINE AND SPIRITS IN THAT STORE.
DO SEVERAL OF THE SIGNS AND REDUCE YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUEST CONSIDERABLY BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
SO MR. GREEN. >> I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH. I'M GOING TO THROW A MOTION OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A NON-ZONING VARIANCE 2026-3 WAL-MART SIGN BASED ON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND FIVE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN OUR
STAFF REPORT. >> I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE IT.
>> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION BY MR. GREEN SECOND BY MS. PERKINS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE PUT OUR VOTING SCREEN UP.
SO 4-3. NOW YOU WANT US TO DO AN AFFIRMATIVE ONE WHERE WE GET A MOTION TO DENY IT?
>> YEAH. OR AT LEAST PAUSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO OTHER DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD OR THERE'S ANY ALTERNATIVE MOTIONS ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE.
>> I WOULD HOPE THERE WOULD BE SOME ALTERNATIVES.
I PREFER SOMEONE TO COME BACK WITH ALTERNATIVES TO THIS SO
THAT WE CAN EVALUATE AND ASSESS. >> THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY REQUIRE THE BOARD TO VOTE ON CONTINUANCE OR SOMETHING TO THAT
EFFECT. >> I THINK IT'S TOO LATE FOR A
I MEAN YOU HAVE-- UNTIL YOU AFFIRM LAVLY DENY IT.
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THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING PAUSE UNTIL THERE'S POTENTIALLY AMENDMENT ANYBODY WANTS TO PROPOSE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. AND THEN IF THERE'S NOT, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD.BUT AT LEAST PAUSE ENOUGH TO SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS A SECOND MOTION. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> OKAY. WELL TWO PEOPLE HAVE MS. SPIEGEL
DO YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK? >> I'LL TRY TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO SAY MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2026 WAL-MART SIGNS BASED UPON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT OF FIVE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT. WITH THE CONDITION OF NO LIGHTED
GAS PRICE SIGNS ON THE CANOPIES. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. SPIEGEL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL STILL MAINTAIN I'D LIKE TO SEE ALTERNATIVES TO THIS.
AND THAT I THINK WHAT THE ASK IS HERE IS EXCESSIVE.
SO OKAY. PLEASE PUT OUR VOTING SCREENS UP. A YES VOTE IS TO APPROVE.
SO THAT NOW PASSES 4-3. SO-- YOUR SIGNS ARE APPROVED.
[2. NZVAR 2026-11 Taco Bell (CR 210 W). NZVAR 2026-11 Taco Bell (CR 210 W), a request for a Non-Zoning Variance to Section 7.02.04.C of the Land Development Code to allow for an Advertising Display Area (ADA) of 201.5 square feet for four (4) proposed wall signs in lieu of the allowed maximum of 113 square feet per business in conjunction with a proposed restaurant.]
OKAY. ALL RIGHT.WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO AS A NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR TACO BELL.
PRESENTER IS CAMERON FIVEASH. OKAY.
OKAY I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED.
BUT IF YOU COULD PLEASE WAIT TO HAVE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUT IN THE FOYER. WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION COMING UP RIGHT THIS SECOND. MR. GREEN DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? OKAY.
SORRY. EXPARTE ON THIS ONE ON TACO BELL. MR. LABANOWSKI?
>> I DID A SITE VISIT. >> MR. OLSON?
>> SITE VISIT ON THE 4TH OF AUGUST.
>> ANY OTHER EXPARTE? OKAY THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>> HI GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M SARAH DOWELLING AND I'M HERE WITH CAME RON FIVEASH WE'RE WITH GDP GROUP WHO IS THE ARCHITECT ENGINEER FOR TACO BELL. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE FOR TWO ADDITIONAL WALL SIGNS.
SO WE ARE LOCATED RIGHT OFF OF THE COUNTY ROAD 210 I-95 EXIT.
NEXT DOOR TO THE BRAND NEW SLIDERS.
THIS IS OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN. THE FRONT BUILDING FACADE IS 29 ½ FEET. OUR MAIN ENTRANCE FACADE IS 75.2 FEET. TO LAY OUT THE SITE BECAUSE THE SITE IS THEIRERO WITH THE SHORTEST PART OF OUR BUILDING FACING 210. STAFF IS ALLOWING THE MAIN ENTRANCE WHICH IS THE ONE ON THE SIDE FACING THE PARKING TO COUNT TOWARDS OUR SIGNAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE WHICH HELPED US GREATLY.
SO IT HELPS US HAVE 112 SQUARE FEET PER.
WE HAVE THESE TWO SIGNS ARE NOW BY CODE SO THE INTERFACE 210 AND THE SIDE OF THE TACO BELL. THESE ARE THE-- THIS IS ONE OF THE TWO SIGNS WE ARE REQUESTING VARIANCE FOR.
THIS WOULD BE THE DRIVE-THRU SIDE.
IT'S 49.15 SQUARE FEET. THIS YOU WOULD SEE WHILE YOU'RE TRAVELLING ON 210. AND THEN THIS WHITE-- IT'S MORE OF A BUILDING ELEMENT. BUT IT STILL COUNTS AS A SIGN WITH THE ORDINANCE. THIS WOULD FIX THE DRIVE-THRU.
SO THERE IS A CROSS ACCESS IN THE BACK.
AND IT ENHANCES THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE WHETHER THROUGH THE DRIVE-THRU. SO THEY ARE JUST NOT LOOKING AT A BLANK WALL WHILE THEY ARE WAITING TO PICK UP THEIR FOOD FROM THE WINDOW. THERE'S A FEW NEARBY THAT HAVE MORE THAN THE TWO SIGNS. AND THAT IS SHOWING JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE'S THE DUNCANS, STARBUCKS.
THERE'S A PANDA EXPRESS DOWN THE STREET.
SO THOSE ARE OUR REQUESTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
STAFF HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU.
>> I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR COMING IN BEFORE YOU GET THE BUILDING BUILT. SOMEBODY READ THE WHOLE CODE BOOK PROPERLY. AND IT MAKES EIGHT LOT EASIER ON
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THE STAFF TO REVIEW THE WHOLE THING COMPLETE WITH SIGNS AHEAD OF TIME. SO CUDOS TO YOU AND GOOD LUCK ONGETTING IT PASSED. >> THANK YOU.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. USUALLY THESE SIGN REQUESTS ARE AFTER THE FACT. SO-- APPRECIATE THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. OLSON?
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, I MAY NOT HAVE READ THE STAFF REPORT IN THE APPLICATION WORD FOR WORD, I TRIED TO, BUT DO YOU HAVE A
MONUMENT SIGN ALSO? >> WE DO HAVE A PYLON SIGN WE'RE PROPOSING. IT'S GOING TO BE 150 SQUARE
THEN I BELIEVE YOU SAID-- OKAY. >> I LIKE THIS.
THIS IS A NICE DEVICE. WANTED TO USE IT.
>> OKAY WELL THEN-- I WANTED TO ASK-- I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT YOU CITED THESE OTHER BUSINESSES AS HAVING GREATER WALL SIGNAGE AREA. BUT OUR STAFF REPORT INDICATES THAT THEY ARE SMALLER. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M JUST
READING THIS TOO QUICKLY OR NOT. >> NO, YOU'RE FINE.
IT'S MORE OF THE-- I DIDN'T DO IT BY THE SIZE.
I DID IT BY THE LOCATION ON THE BUILDING.
THAT THEY WERE ON THE FACADES BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THEIR SIGN
BOOKS TO KNOW. >> SO THE REQUIRED MAXIMUM SIGN
AREA? >> NO, SIR, I WAS JUST TO THE-- WHERE IT WAS ON THE BUILDING FACADE.
>> OKAY SO COULD YOU AGAIN CLEARLY STATE WHY YOU NEED TO HAVE MUCH MORE SIGN AREA THAN THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THAT
STRETCH? >> WE ARE REQUESTING TO HAVE IT ON THE DRIVE-THRU SIDES SO YOU CAN SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELLING WEST. AND TO HAVE THE BUILDING ELEMENT
SIGN IN THE BACK. >> WELL PRESUMABLY ALL THESE BUSINESSES WOULD LIKE TO HAVE-- SHOUT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
BUT AREN'T WE TRYING TO-- WHERE IS THIS GOING TO GO? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT PUBLIC POLICY QUESTION MORE THAN ONE FOR YOU. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS ANOTHER STEP OF A LARGER SHOUTING OUT TO THE PASSING TRAFFIC IF WE DO A MUCH LARGER BUILDINGS AREA SIGN.
WHAT WILL THE NEXT BUSINESS DOWN THE ROAD WANT? I GUESS YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
>> MS. SPIEGEL? >> I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. ON THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE IN THE
SOUTH JUST THE BELL? >> JUST THE BELL.
>> SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THAT WHEN THEY ARE IN THE DRIVE-THRU? THAT'S GOING AROUND THE CORNER TO THE DRIVE-THRU SO THEY ARE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE BACK OF A BLANK BUILDING?
>> EXACTLY. TACO BELL WANTS-- MORE OF A DESIGN ELEMENT AND TACO BELL JUST WANTS TO ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE. THAT'S THE WORDING I'VE BEEN--
THAT THEY'VE USED. >> THAT'S THEIR TALKING POINT ON THAT. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A BIG, WHY.
>> MR. LABANOWSKI? >> YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN WOULD BE A PYLON SIGN OUT FRONT?
>> YES, SIR. >> DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT
BY CHANCE? >> I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT.
BUT IT WOULD BE-- IT'S GOING TO BE-- WELL YOU KNOW WHAT.
I HAVE THIS-- CAN I JUST DRAW IT WITH THE SHAPE WOULD BE?
>> WHAT'S THE HEIGHT GOING TO BE?
>> BY CODE WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A 25 FOOT HIGH SIGN.
GO AHEAD. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO DO MY ART? OKAY. THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER-- I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO REALLY. SO WELL THIS IS PART OF IT.
SO IT'S LIKE THIS AND THEN THIS BELL IS PLACED HERE.
OH SORRY YOU PROBABLY CAN'T HEAR ME.
BELL IS PLACED IN THE TOP PART AND THE BOTTOM PART-- DONE BREAKFAST AND I THINK THEY ARE DOING DRIVE-THRU NOW BUT THAT CHANGES EVERY FEW YEARS SO BLACK WITH WHITE LETERING AND IT POPS
>> IS THE IMAGE SHOWING RIGHT THERE NOT THE DRIVE THRU?
>> IT IS THE DRIVE THRU. THEY'RE ASKING WHAT THE PYLON
SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> THIS IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
THAT'S THE DRIVE THRU SIGN. >> YES.
>> SO THE OTHER IMAGE YOU SHOWED, THE WHITE IMAGE OF THE SIGN, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT WAS A DRIVE THRU SO YOU WOULDN'T
BE LOOKING AT A BLANK ROLL. >> I'LL PULL UP THE SITE PLAN.
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>> AND THAT'S TO THE SOUTH, THE ONE WITH THE WHITE IMAGE TO THE
IT'S RIGHT HERE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT HAS THE PURPLE BELL, THAT IS RIGHT HERE. I THINK NEXT TIME I MIGHT
ACTUALLY GET THE LITTLE ONES. >> I THINK THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON THE WALL THAT IT ENHANCES THE EXPERIENCE LIKE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY ORDERED BY THAT POINT, THEY'RE COMMITTED TO GETTING THE FOOD, I DON'T THINK HAVING THAT EXTRA LARGE SIGN,
>> COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> RIGHT THERE I DIDN'T SEE THAT WAS 40 SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU SAY THAT -- I. SEE IT RIGHT THERE.
OKAY SO I THINK YOU COULD DO RIGHT WITH THAT SIGN.
I COULD SUPPORT THIS IF YOU WOULD GO AWAY WITHOUT ANY ENHANCED EXPERIENCE. I'VE BEEN MANY TIMES AT TACO
BELL -- >> YOU'RE TOTALLY FINE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THIS IF THEY REALLY WANT TO DRIVE THRU SIGN OVER THE WINDOW, THE OTHER ONE, I THINK THEY
WOULD BE WILLING TO PART. >> I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT ONE, PLUS IT'S NOT FACING SOUTH, WHICH IS BASICALLY FACING INTO A
WOODED AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE. >> CORRECT, FACES CROSS ACCESS.
>> DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE IT BUT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET ME TO VOTE FOR IT.
>> I THINK THEY'D BE WILLING -- THIS IS THE SIGN THAT MEANS THE MOST TO THEM, SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE SIGN, I THINK
THEY COULD DROP THE REAR SIGN. >> MY VOTE MAY BE IRRELEVANT.
MIGHT NOT NEED TO DO THAT TO GET APPROVAL ANYWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. LABANOWSKI.
>> TO GO BACK TO THE MONUMENT SIGN, 25-FOOT SITTING RIGHT THERE ON THE ROAD, ANY POSSIBILITY TO REDUCE -- I. KNOW YOU HAD THE RIGHT, IS THERE A CHANCE OF REDUCING THE SIZE OF
THAT TO 15 FEET TO 25? >> I THINK THEY WANT TO HAVE VISIBILITY FURTHER DOWN, ESPECIALLY WHEN COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE CACTUS TO THE EAST, SO YOU CAN SEE IT FURTHER WHEN YOU'RE COMING AROUND. SO I'LL SHOW YOU, AERIAL WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL. RIGHT HERE, THEY HAVE A VERY HEAVY TREE LINE AREA. SO IT KIND OF BLOCKS THE VISIBILITY OF ALL THESE SITES WHEN GOING EAST SO THAT PYLON SIGN IS GOING TO HELP THEM SEE OVER THOSE TREES.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHARLIE HUNT. VERY PERCEPTIVE OF THEM COMING UP FOR FOR LITTLE SIGN BUT THEN I APPREIATE THE HONESTY OF ASKING WHAT ABOUT THE ONE BY THE ROAD.
SO IT WOULD SHOW THAT JUST GET DECENT AND POSSIBLY A CHANGE TO GET THE ONE BY THE ROAD WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LIVE IN THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE, BUT WE ALL KNOW WELL THAT INTERSTATE 95 AND 210 INTERCHANGE -- EVERYBODY WILL SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BACKED UP, ALWAYS A STOP RIGHT THERE ALONG THAT BECAUSE OF THE TRUCK STOP THAT IS RIGHT THERE, ALL THE OTHER STUFF, THE 20300 GETTING US PUT BACK IN THAT AREA AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S A HOTEL, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TACO BELL THAT DOES GOING TO GET PUT IN RIGHT THERE. SO I HIGHLY DOUBT THEY TRAVEL IN THAT AREA. THEY MAY NOT KNOW IT THEY JUST CO OFFERED THE PLANS SAY. NOT SHOWING THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF HOW MANY SIGNS ARE GOING THERE IS VERY SHALLOW ON THEIR -- THE MEANING OF COMING UP, BECAUSE YES, WE KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO GET UP AND -- IT'S A NORMAL THING, WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS, BECAUSE OTHER RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER HAVE THE
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CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, THEY DID IT SO WHY CAN'T WE DO IT? AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF DECISIONS MIGHT BE COMING OUT OF. THEY DID IT SO LET THEM DO IT TO. I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST ESTIMATING MIGHT HAVE BEEN 3 MINUTES ALREADY, BUT -- [LAUGHING] THAT'S MY POINT.I'M STICKING TO IT. VERY DECEPTIVE, ONLY THE SIGN STUCK TO THE BUILDING BUT NOT THE ONE BY THE ROAD, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF IT. THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE CAN OCCUR BACK AT THE AGENCY.
MR. GREEN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. >> MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANT 2026-11 TACO BELL COUNTY ROAD 210. EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT IN FIVE CONDITIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE CONDITION TO REMOVE A BELL THAT IS LOCATED ON PAGE 5 OF OUR STAFF REPORT OF 40 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S NOT GOOD, I WILL --
>> MOTION BY MR. GREEN. >> IF THE APPLICANT CAN COME UP AND ADDRESS WHETHER THEY'RE READY TO ACCEPT THAT OR NOT.
>> WE ACCEPT THAT CONDITION. >> YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE IT IS? SOUTH SIDE? OKAY.
>> THAT'S ONE MOTION. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY MISS PERKINS OKAY ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S VOTE. SO FAR WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE WHO VOTED. NOT SHOWING THE RESULTS?
>> SPEAKER-05: -2. THAT PASSES.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR SIGN APPROVAL 5-2.
[3. ZVAR 2026-15 5072 A1A South Pool. Request for a Zoning Variance to Table 6.01 of the Land Development Code to allow for a second Front Yard setback of ten (10) feet in lieu of the required twenty-five (25) feet for a Through Lot located next to an unopened right-of-way to accommodate the placement of a swimming pool in RS-3 zoning, specifically located at 5072 A1A South. ]
THANK YOU FOR DISPLAYING THE VOTE TOTAL.MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 3, ANOTHER ZONING VARIANCE THIS IS FOR APPROVAL A ONE A SOUTH. GUIGNARD EX PARTE ON THIS.
MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I VISITED THE SITE.
>> EXPERIENCE IN VISITING THIS SITE ON THE FOURTH.
>> THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM. >> MISS SPIEGEL.
>> YES. >> I DID DRIVE BY THIS YESTERDAY, SO I'VE SEEN YOU HERE A LOT, YOU MUST BE LEAVING YOUR
CAR EVERY DOOR. >> I GUESS SO.
> YOU'RE ACTIVE OVER THERE. >> MAYBE NEXT TIME I WON'T BE IN BOOT AND CRUTCHES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
>> IT'S YOUR FLOOR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I AM NICK WITH HYDRO POOLS AND PAVERS, REQUESTING THE VARIANCE FOR ADDRESS 507-2818 SOUTH TO INSTALL A SWIMMING POOL AND THE FRONT YARD SETBACK CONSIDERED A REAR SETBACK.
WE'LL GO INTO THE PRESENTATION HERE.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE PROPERTY OF THE THREE UNITS RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHERS, WILL HAVE TO DO A BIT OF CLEARING ON THE REAR EASEMENT BUT WE WILL STICK TO THE TRADITIONAL COUNTY GUIDELINES 1T SIDE SETBACK. THIS IS OUR LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND EVELYN SHORES IS OUR HOMEOWNER HERE SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE RIGHT THROUGH HERE WHERE THE PROPERTY GOES TO, WILL HAVE A FEW SMALL SHRUBS AND TREES RIGHT THERE THAT WE'LL NEED TO CLEAR OUT. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY
FAMILIAR WITH THIS VIDEO. >> IS THIS THE SAME ONE WE'VE
SEEN? >> YES, ONCE OR TWICE, YOU ARE CORRECT NEXT TIME I'LL PUT SOME MUSIC TO.
THERE YOU GO. AGAIN, THIS IS OUR ACCESS POINT,
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RIGHT NOW THERE'S CURRENTLY A SWIMMING POOL IN THIS BACKYARD BUT THAT EASEMENT WILL STAY AS YOU SEE IT RIGHT THERE.THE RESIDENCE BEHIND THERE CAN STILL USE IT AS THEIR ACCESS TO THE RIVER PROPERTY AND THIS IS PORTIONS OF THE CLEARING THAT WILL NEED TO COME OUT. SO MAINLY JUST SHRUBS AND
OVERGROWN BRUSH. >> BRAZILIAN PEPPER.
>> UNDER CHINABERRY TREE RIGHT THERE.
>> ANOTHER INVASIVE EXOTIC. >> THIS PRIVATE ERROR WILL REMAIN UNCONSTRUCTED AND THEN JUST LOOKING DOWN THE SIDE LINES, WALL CLEAR ONLY AS MUCH AS WE NEED TO AND STILL MAINTAIN THE BUFFER BACK THERE. HERE'S A FEW MORE STILL SHOTS, LOOKING DOWN THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
HERE'S OUR REQUEST, TO MAINTAIN THE 10-FOOT REAR PROPERTY SETBACK, 5 FEET ON BOTH SIDES AND WILL MAINTAIN ALL THE SAFETY BARRICADES AND ARMS FOR ALL THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THE SITE PLAN NOTES AS WELL TO MEET THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. SO NOT TO CREATE ANY ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, AND THIS BEING THE MIDDLE HOUSE, WILL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING DRAINAGE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
WE WON'T MODIFY THOSE AT ALL AND THAT'S IT.
MISS SPIEGEL. >> HOW ARE YOU GETTING YOUR EQUIPMENT BACK THERE? DO YOU GO BETWEEN THE HOUSES OR
BACK? >> BETWEEN THE HOUSES, BE ABLE TO COME STRAIGHT IN HER SO THE ONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF WEEKS
AGO, WE TALKED WITH BOTH OWNERS. >> DOING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME?
>> CORRECT. >> ALREADY HAVE AN OPERABLE,
THIS IS THE THIRD ONE. >> YES.
>> THE FIRST ONE WE GET THE PURPLE I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH OF THIS YEAR, THAT ONE DOES HAVE A POOL THAT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT.
>> THANK YOU. >> JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU DIDN'T BUILD THE POOLS WHEN YOU BUILD THE HOUSES, OR YOU DIDN'T
ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT, MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION, MOTION ET CETERA.
MR. OLSON. >> THIS IS AGAIN VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL IN A CASE THAT WAS BEFORE HERE AND ACTED ON RECENTLY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO BASED ON TWO FACTORS, SPECIAL SITUATION WITH THE UNOPENED RIGHT OF WAY TO ALLOW A SECOND FRONT YARD AND SIMILAR PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT HAVE BEEN ALSO GRANTED VARIANCES, SO I MOVE TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2026-15, BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SIX CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, VOTING SCREEN PLEASE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY
CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN. >> THANK YOU.
>> MR. VARD MATOVINA. 6-1 YOU STILL HAVE APPROVAL.
[4. REZ 2026-06 STA Cabinet Depot Warehouse Showroom. REZ 2026-06 STA Cabinet Depot Warehouse Showroom, request to rezone approximately 0.77 acres of land from Residential, Mobile Home (RMH) to Commercial Warehouse (CW), specifically located at 106 and 110 Ronald Road. ]
>> THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
>> YOU TWO, THANK YOU. ITEM FOR REASONING FOR CABINET DEPOT, OLSON UPON US ONE, JUST OFF US ONE.
ANY EX-PARTE ON THIS? MR. LABANOWSKI?
>> VISITED THIS SITE. >> MR. GREEN.
>> I TALKED WITH DYLAN IN THE LOBBY ABOUT THIS AT THE OLD
LOCATION AND WHERE THE SITE IS. >> MR. OLSON.
>> VISITED THIS SITE AND TOOK TIME TO DRIVE THROUGH SLOWLY AND
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LOOK AT THE ADJACENT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBOURHOOD.>> SPIEGEL. >> TOOK THAT SAME TOUR TO MR. OLSON CALCULATE ALL. DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBOURHOOD.
ALSO A LOT OF SUPPORT IN A COUPLE OF EMAILS OF OPPOSITION FOR THIS. THANK YOU.
>> AND YOU MUST BE DYLAN. >> I AM DYLAN I'M OWNER OF CABINET DEPOT WITH MY WIFE HERE KATRINA.
I'M NOT A VERY GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER.
>> WE'RE NOT EITHER, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
>> SO I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS AND SIMILAR OPERATIONS THAT I'M DOING HERE, THE PEOPLE I RUN FROM AND I TRUST WITH THEM AND THEY'RE GOING TO SELL --
>> PLEASE GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE.
>> THE BUILDING WHICH IS SIMILAR SIZE TO THIS ONE I'M PROPOSING, BEEN THERE EIGHT YEARS AND IT'S BEEN GREAT.
OPERATIONS AREN'T REALLY GOING TO CHANGE.
THE OWNERS SOLD IT OUT FROM UNDERNEATH ME I APPROVED THAT BUILDING, SO BASICALLY I GOT SCREWED AND HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH I'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR A FEW YEARS AND HAD OTHER INTENTIONS KIND OF FIXED UP OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE NEXT DOOR TO IT AND THE LAKE BEHIND IT AND I HAVE A LONG TERM RENTAL THAT TOUCHES THIS WHOLE AREA AS WELL, SO I DO HAVE RENTAL PROPERTIES OF MY OWN IN THIS AREA THAT TOUCHED THIS PROPERTY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED, BASICALLY THE SCENARIO THAT I PUT INTO IS THAT I WAS OUT OF MY BUILDING IN NO TIME AND FOR ME TO KEEP MY CABINET BUSINESS FUNCTIONING I NEED TO GET INTO THE BUILDING. SO INSTEAD OF LEASING IT, NOT TRYING TO BUILD THIS, THAT'S THE LOCATION OF IT.
THERE'S A FENCE THAT I PUT UP THAT RUNS AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE EAST.
AND TO THE WEST IT'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL GENERAL PROPERTY, THAT'S TO THE WEST OF IT. MY SKINNY LOT THERE, THERE ARE THREE MOBILE HOME RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTIES, INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE MOBILE HOMES ON IT, THE WAY I DESIGN MY BUILDING WITH LOW TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, MINIMAL DESIGN, BASICALLY IT'S JUST PEOPLE DON'T WALK IN AND BUY A KITCHEN THAT THEY, THEY STOP IN AND MAKE APPOINTMENT, TAKES HOURS AND HOURS.
IT'S NOT LIKE A HIGH TRAFFIC KIND OF BUSINESS.
THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS FOR TEMPORARY STAGING FOR A LOT OF THESE BUILDERS SO THEY'RE READY FOR THE CABINETS RUN OUT AND I HAVE THE MATERIALS AND I HAVE TO STORE IT FOR A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE THE DRYWALLS AND ARE DONE SO I NEED A WAREHOUSE SPACE TO STORE MY MATERIALS, SO IT'S MINIMAL TRAFFIC.
SO, THAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING NO MOBILE HOME RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME CUT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL RIGHT THERE, NEXT TO IT SHOWS THE MIXED USE FEATURE USE, IT'S GOING TO BE -- I. THINK THAT'S FIVE-YEAR PLAN OR SOMETHING.
MY ENGINEER IS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, BUT LOBSTER FISHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MY BUSINESS. SO IT'S JUST A BIGGER IMAGE OF WHERE THE LOCATION IS AND HOW THE AREAS AROUND IT, THE LAKE THERE THAT'S THE BIGGER GREEN PART I OWN THAT AND THERE'S THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE PART RIGHT THERE, THE HOUSE, RESIDENTIAL HOUSE I OWN AND FIXED. IT'S ALL IN THE AREA, THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY HERE THAT I RENOVATED.
AND I BELIEVE THEY WROTE A LETTER IN AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE NOTHING BUT IMPROVE THAT AREA.
THOSE WERE ABANDONED PROPERTIES SO I'VE DONE A LOT IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO TO FIX THAT AREA AND I RESPECT THE NEIGHBOURHOOD AND EVERYONE AROUND THERE. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE EAST.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A WOOD PRIVACY WALL BUT I WAS JUST INFORMED THAT I NEED TO DO A 6-FOOT MASONRY WALL IN THERE SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN INTO OUR BUILDING PERMITS
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AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE 30-FOOT BUFFER WITH THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ALREADY IN EXISTING GARAGE THAT'S FOR PERSONAL USE, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING ELSE THAN MY CABINET STORE.THE WAY I DESIGNED THE WAREHOUSE TO RESPECT THE NEIGHBOURS ON THE EAST SIDE, ADDED A SINGLE SOAP ROOF ON IT SO THAT THE LOW SIDE IS FACING PRIVACY BUFFER AND DOESN'T HAVE WINDOWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON IT. EVERYTHING GARAGES AND WINDOWS ALL FACING WEST TOWARDS US ONE FOR OBVIOUSLY TO BE VISIBLE FROM US ONE FOR ADVERTISEMENT. I'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT I CAN TO BE RESPECTFUL BEING PRIVATE TO THE RESIDENTS BEHIND, AND HONESTLY, THE WAY THE TRAFFIC COMES IN THE AMOUNT OF LITTLE TRAFFIC AND THAT WE DO FOR THIS BUSINESS.
BUSINESS I HAD TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY LESS THAN THIS AND IT WAS NEVER AN ISSUE. YOU DON'T GET WALK INS.
PEOPLE SCHEDULE AND IT'S KIND OF A TIMELY PROCESS TO DESIGN KITCHENS, SO THERE'S MINIMAL TRAFFIC FLOW THAT THE TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING IN, BOX TRUCKS, SIZE OF FEDEX TRUCK IS HOW WE GET DELIVERIES. SO THE PARKING LOT IS DESIGNED TO GO FORWARD AND UNLOAD I GO IN FOR THE TEMPORARY STORAGE, THEY CAN DO THE FIRE TURN T AND THEN EXIT.
HONESTLY IF THERE WAS THE THREE MOBILE HOMES THERE, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND THAN MY BUSINESS.
LAST PAGE -- >> I CAN TALK ABOUT ABOUT BUSINESS OPERATIONS JUST IN GENERAL.
AS THE OWNER AND THE ONE WHO'S THERE MOST OF THE TIME, USUALLY TYPICALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 1-2 WALK INS A WEEK, ABOUT THREE SCHEDULED APPOINTMENTS. SO THESE PARKING SPOTS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE ONE CAR COME EVERY OTHER DAY.
AS FAR AS THE NOISE AND OPERATIONS OF OUR BUSINESS, WE'RE NOT MANUFACTURING ANY CABINETS, WE ORDER CABINETRY THAT IS DELIVERED TYPICALLY DELIVERED TO THE JOB AND INSTALLED ON SITE. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY EXCESSIVE NOISE, SMELLS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE BASICALLY JUST A SMALL -- WE HAVE ONE OTHER EMPLOYEE SO WE KEEP IT PRETTY SMALL, MAINLY JUST GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, FOR US. NOT GOING TO BE SUBLETTING ANY OF THE BUILDING TO ANYBODY IT'S JUST GOING TO BE FOR CABINET
STORE. >> THERE'S NO INTENTIONS TO SUBLET. I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE IT CANNOT -- THE WAY THIS IS A NARROW SPOT, I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY OTHER BUSINESS BESIDES SOMETHING LIKE MINE THAT WOULD HAVE ANY USE OF A WAREHOUSE LIKE THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE OTHER BUSINESSES WOULD WANT MORE PARKING IN MORE AREA. SO IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE IT ONLY KIND OF WORKS FOR MY TYPE OF BUSINESS.
LIKE I SAID I HAVE NO INTENTION ON SELLING THOSE AND I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO BE RESPECTFUL AND PLAYING BUFFER, THE NEIGHBOURS BEHIND THE EAST, GIVE VISIBILITY TO THE WEST FOR US ONE AND ALL ACTIVITIES ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO THE BUILDING HONESTLY, WITH THE SLANT ROOF AND EVERYTHING, IT CREATES MORE OF A BUFFER THAN CURRENTLY IS SO THERE'S MORE BUFFER AND PRIVACY FOR EVERYONE HERE JUST TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL AND LEAVE A LITTLE -- LIKE I SAID THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT I TRULY BELIEVE WOULD BE LESS THAN THE THREE MOBILE HOMES IN THAT PROPERTY.
SO MY REQUEST IS TO REZONE FOR THIS HARDSHIP.
>> MAKE A NEW BUSINESS. >> MAKE IT PERMANENT.
NOT HAVE IT SOMEONE SELL FROM UNDERNEATH ME.
SO I GUESS THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU.
MR. OLSON. >> AND BASED ON YOUR DESCRIPTION OF YOUR BUSINESS, IS THERE SOME OTHER ZONING CATEGORY THAT YOU COULD FIT THAT INTO RATHER THAN THE CW? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU DESCRIBE THIS SOUNDS LIKE A LIKE IT WORKS FOR THE SITUATION WITH A WALL AND EVERYTHING, BUT CW
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ZONING, YOU KNOW, ZONING IS PERMANENT, ALMOST.SO THERE ARE A LOT MORE INTENSE USES OF THAT PROPERTY COULD EVOLVE TO IN FUTURE YEARS AND IT IS UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOURHOOD.
DID YOU EXPLORE SINCE YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY MANUFACTURING THERE -- YOU HAVE A SHOWROOM AND YOU'RE RECEIVING MATERIALS, PRODUCT AND SELLING PRODUCT, HOLDING PRODUCT BRIEFLY THERE.
IS THERE SOME OTHER ZONING CATEGORY YOU COULD FIT INTO.
>> WE DISCUSSED THAT IN THE PLANNING MEETINGS BEFORE THIS AND THE SHOWROOM PART OF IT, THE DESIGN AREA MAKES THAT THE ISSUE WITH THE WAREHOUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OFFICE AND BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A DESIGN DISPLAY ROOM AREA IT'S PART OF -- IT'S WHERE IT
PUSHES INTO THIS ZONING. >> SO THERE'S NOT A COMMERCIAL
CATEGORY YOU COULD FIT IT INTO? >> SHOWROOM PART MAKES THAT THE ISSUE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO BE CG, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SHOWROOM DESIGN AREA, WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE OFF.
SHOWROOM PART OF IT. >> I PUT IT RIGHT THERE, THIS IS
THE SHOWROOM. >> THAT'S NOT A GOOD DRAWING.
>> I BELIEVE YOU'RE ANSWERING LIKE IF YOU FULLY EXPLORED IT WITH COUNTY STAFF, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO -- >> WISH I COULD DO IT WITH THE OTHER COMMERCIAL GENERAL BUT THE SHOWROOM PART MADE IT ALL UNDER
THIS COMMERCIAL. >> THANK YOU.
>> MR. LABANOWSKI. >> GLAD TO SEE YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE FENCE. THERE'S A BIG HOLE IN THE FENCE OVER THERE. UNLESS THAT'S BEEN FIXED --
>> A FRIEND OF MINE DID THE FENCING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THAT THING IS FALLING OFF LIKE I'M LIKE DO I GET A
WARRANTY? >> THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE OR AFTER YOU PUT THE LITTLE WALL IN?
>> THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO GABRIEL KACSO MY ENGINEER OBVIOUSLY IT'S 20 FEET UNDER RIGHT NOW LOBSTER FISHING AND I CAN'T GET A HOLD OF HIM BUT THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE PLANT BECAUSE I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN DOING THE BASE WALL.
THE -- THE FENCE IS NOT THE BEST, SO IT'S A YEAR OLD AND A
NO PRIDE IN TAKING THAT DOWN. >> ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT BEFORE
-- >> WOULD BE BEST BEFORE BECAUSE IT WOULD PROBABLY HELP WITH ANY KIND OF FENCING AND STUFF LIKE THAT I FEEL LIKE PROBABLY THAT'S THE FIRST THING TO DO.
>> LOOKING FOR THE BUFFER BETWEEN YOU AND THE NEIGHBOURS BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BARRIER IS THERE TO HELP. STILL GOING TO BE NOISY BUT IT'S GOING TO MINIMISE IT A LITTLE BIT.
>> I TOTALLY AGREE. AND GETTING THAT PART OUT OF THE WAY FIRST, THAT GIVES THIS AREA, THERE'S NO EROSION, I THINK THAT
WOULD BE THE FIRST ACTION. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK, MR. OLSON, DO YOU HAVE A
>> A COUPLE REALLY QUICK ONES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT 30-FOOT BUFFER, I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT THE COUNTY STAFF HAD SOME ISSUES, THEY QUESTIONED HOW YOU WERE GONNA HAVE THE 30-FOOT BUFFER THAT WAS REQUIRED PICK THEN HAVE THAT DRY HOLD -- HOW
ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? >> THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S THE 30-FOOT FROM THE FENCE LINE TO THE BUILDING HERE PERKINS RIGHT HERE PICK SO THE 30-FOOT BUFFER IS THERE AND I HAVE A BIT OF THE LANDS. [INDISTINCT]
>> DISPLAY IT UP A LITTLE. >> SO THERE'S THE DRIVE RIGHT
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HERE THAT'S THE 30-FOOT BUFFER AND THEN ONCE WE DO THE MASONRY WALL, THAT'S THE THREE, TO HELP BUFFER THE NEW NOISE BUT ALSO THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING GIVES PRIVACY AND BEING A NOISE BUFFER FROM US ONE AS WELL.SO KIND OF PURPOSELY SHAPED IT UNDER THE BUILDING THIS WAY TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOURHOOD BEHIND, BE
RESPECTFUL. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ANOTHER CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE STAFF AND THAT WAS THAT GIVEN THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION YOU'RE GOING FOR, THAT AS MR. OLSON SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES THAT COULD GO IN THERE IF YOU DECIDE TO SELL OR BUY INTO THAT PROPERTY OR DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE PRETTY INVESTED IN THIS AREA.
YOU LIVE RIGHT THERE, JUST NORTH OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE, LITTLE TRIANGULAR BASE, AND YOU FIXED UP OTHER THINGS IN THAT NEIGHBOURHOOD, SO I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME. >> I'VE DONE A LOT AROUND THERE.
SOLD ONE PROPERTY AND PEOPLE LET THEM IN AND THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON. ALL THEY'RE ALL FOR IT.
>> YOU HAD A LETTER OF SUPPORT. >> LIKE I SAID I GOT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THAT POND RIGHT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, DON'T REALLY HAVE -- DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE INTENT, THAT'S KIND OF MY INCOME AND IS THAT BUSINESS, SO I HAVE TO KEEP IT GOING. AND WE BOTH HAVE GREAT REPUTATION AND WE HAVE BUILDERS AND RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS THAT ARE A FIVE STAR BUSINESS, SO I WANT TO KEEP IT GOING.
KIND OF GOT BLINDSIDED AND THIS WASN'T MY ORIGINAL INTENTION FOR THIS. LIKELY I OWNED IT SO I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR A FEW YEARS AND THEN WORK AROUND THERE AND IT'S BENEFITING THE AREA BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABANDONED HOMES AND CLEANED THEM UP REPLACED WITH MOBILE HOMES AND DOING A LOT OF WORK
AROUND THERE. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT.
>> MISS SPIEGEL. >> QUICK QUESTION CAN YOU SAY YOU HAVE BY APPOINTMENT AND PEOPLE CAN DROP IT ARE YOU GOING TO BE THERE ALL THE TIME OR YOU JUST LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT THEY
CAN CALL YOU AND POP RIGHT OVER? >> I DO MONTHLY ONE DAY FRIDAY, I'M USUALLY THERE LIKE 10-5 AND THEN I DO APPOINTMENT ONLY ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAYS PIXEL PEOPLE EITHER THEY WALK IN WHEN I'M THERE OR THEY SEE THE SIGN AND THEN COME BACK.
ALSO PEOPLE DON'T JUST COME BY AND BUY YOUR WHOLE KITCHEN AND THEY SO TYPICALLY IT'S NOT AN APPOINTMENT BUSINESS.
>> IT TAKES MONTHS FOR KITCHEN DESIGNS FOR THEM TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND AND CABINET AND THEN IT CHANGES AND IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T WALK IN AND BUY A KITCHEN DOWN THERE PICK A LOT OF IT IS DONE OVER EMAIL AND DIGITAL, WE HAVE A LOT OF VIRTUAL STUFF SO THE FINAL APPOINTMENT THEY COME IN AND PHYSICALLY SEE THE THINGS, SO IT'S PRETTY RARE THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE WALK IN IN
ONE DAY. >> ARE YOU ON CITY SEWER AND
CITY WATER THERE? >> RIGHT THERE THERE'S THE SEWER MAIN THAT WE'RE GOING TO TIE. AND THEN THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT RIGHT THERE AS WELL. SO IT WILL BE CITY WATER SEWER.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. LABANOWSKI I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ONE PERSON. SO FAR.
>> HELLO, I AM LORI, RESIDENT AT 130 RONALD ROAD.
RESIDED ON RONALD ROAD FOR 30 YEARS, PARTICULARLY THE LOT THE IS ONE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES FOR 22 YEARS.
I REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT I TRULY REGRET HAVING TO STAND HERE IN VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST OF MY OPPOSITION IS NOT PERSONAL. TOWARDS THE APPLICANT IT'S STRICTLY TOWARDS THE REZONING ITSELF.
DYLAN HAS BEEN A RESPECTFUL NEIGHBOUR AND I SINCERELY
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SYMPATHISE WITH THE FACT THAT HIS BUSINESS IS BEING FORCED TO RELOCATE. PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROTECT MY HOME MY PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBOURHOOD. ALL THE APPLICANT'S INTENDED USE APPEAR REASONABLE TODAY, THE BOARD MUST CONSIDER -- MUST NOT CONSIDER THE BUSINESS BUT THE REZONING ITSELF.THE CLASSIFICATION WILL REMAIN WITH THE PROPERTY LONG AFTER IT'S GONE. THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION REQUEST PERMITS SEVERITY USES THAT COULD GENERATE TRAFFIC NOISE, DELIVERIES AND ACTIVITIES WELL BEYOND NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. THE ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND, NOT WITH THE OWNER. IF APPROVED, THIS COMMERCIAL BUSNESS WOULD OPERATE 30 FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE AND ROUGHLY 80 FEET FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW.
I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT INTRODUCING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THIS CLOSE TO ESTABLISHED RESIDENTS IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE PEACEFUL HOMEOWNERS RECENTLY SPIKED IN THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOURHOOD. ANOTHER IMPACT IS SELF IS THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED TO TRAVEL TO 110 FEET APPROXIMATELY TO THE POINT OF ENTRY FOR THIS PARTICULAR REZONING REQUEST. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ONE BUSINESS IT'S ABOUT THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND TRAFFIC THAT COULD BE GENERATED FOR FUTURE ZONING USES, SHOULD THE USE ITSELF CHANGE. THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IS NOT A NEW CONCERN, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER REZONINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED JUST IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THE PARCELS THAT WERE ACTUALLY FRONTING ON US ONE AND 110 RONALD ROAD WHICH IS ONE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES WAS INCLUDED IN THAT REZONING.
I ATTENDED THAT MEETING FOR I THINK IT WAS SENSATIONAL SUNSET% SHARE ROOM, I WAS NOT IN OPPOSITION OF THE PARCELS THAT WERE FRONTING ON US ONE AS IT WAS PRIME REAL ESTATE AND IT MADE SENSE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON US ONE.
MY OPPOSITION WAS WITH 110 RONALD ROAD AT THAT TIME IT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO A WATER RETENTION FACILITY.
IT SEPARATED BY 30-FOOT EASEMENT SO IT'S NOT CONCURRENT WITH THE PARCELS THAT ARE FRONTING ON US ONE, THEREFORE THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME THE BOARD AGREED WITH ME AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO EXCLUDE 110 RONALD ROAD.
OVER THE PAST THREE DECADES, RONALD ROAD CONTINUED TO DEVELOP AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, FAMILIES INVESTED IN HOMES PROPERTIES HAVE IMPROVED AND THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD REMAINED RESIDENTIAL IN CHARACTER. I APPRECIATE DYLAN'S INVESTMENT IN IMPROVING THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR BY REPLACING THE OLD MANUFACTURING MOBILE HOME WITH A NEW ONE IN WHICH I BELIEVE HIS FAMILY CURRENTLY OWNS. I COMMEND TO MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT HOWEVER THE REZONING FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS PORTION OF RONALD ROAD AND ALSO CREATES AN UNCERTAINTY FOR SURROUNDING HOMEOWNERS.
AGAIN I WANT TO EMPHASISE THIS IS NOT PERSONAL I RESPECT DYLAN AND I WISH HIM SUCCESS IN RELOCATING HIS BUSINESS HOWEVER I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD DENIED HIS REQUEST.
THANK YOU. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS.
WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ABOUT HER OBJECTION?
>> I MEAN I APPRECIATE LORI. LIKE I SAID I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO GIVE EVERYONE PEACE AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE LESS TRAFFIC AND IF I DID THREE MOBILE HOMES ON THOSE PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE ZONED FOR IT WOULD BE WAY MORE OF EYESORE AND GIVE YOU LESS PRIVACY AND I FEEL LIKE THE WAY THIS IS DESIGNED SHELTERS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE -- TO THE WEST, WHICH I JUST GOT A CALL FOR IT'S A DOG PARK WITH A BRIDGE OVER SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND FOOD TRUCKS AND STUFF SO FROM ALL THAT. THIS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE STUFF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT PROPERTY, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF SELLING, I'M GOING TO BE THERE AS LONG AS I CAN AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN DO TO EASE LORI'S MIND OR ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBOURS, I WILL NOT BE SUBLETTING, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING HERE THIS KIND OF
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SETUP WOULD NOT WORK FOR AN OLD BUSINESS, JUST ENOUGH PARKING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BUSINESS BESIDES MINE COULD OPERATE IN THIS KIND OF WAY OUT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO, I WISH MY ENGINEER WAS HERE TO ANSWER THESE THINGS BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I CAN DO TO GIVEPEACE OF MIND, I'M OPEN TO IT. >> THANK YOU.
MR. LABANOWSKI. >> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO
EXCLUDE SOME OF THE USES OF CW? >> YES.
>> THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY AROUND IT LIKE IN OTHER WORDS, NO TIRE CENTRES, NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. AN ANIMAL FACILITY, CAMELS -- SORRY, LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE. SINGLE FAMILY IS FINE, STORAGE FACILITY, THE TIRE CENTRE DEFINITELY, CAR WASH, AUTO OIL CHANGE, OUTSIDE STORAGE, SO THOSE ARE PROBABLY SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER.
THEN THEY KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW ANY OF THOSE FUNCTION ON THAT LAYOUT. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE BUSINESS WILL BE ABLE TO FUNCTION IN THAT KIND OF LAYOUT IN ANY OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
SO I'D BE COMPLETELY FINE WITH KEEPING IT COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE
OR HOWEVER ORDINANCE. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYONE? WE'VE ALREADY DONE PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR EMOTION AND DISCUSSION.
SO WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?
MR. GREEN. >> I GUESS I'LL PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL 2026-068 CABINETS FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY DEPOT WAREHOUSE BASED ON OUR FINDINGS THAT IN OUR STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT HE'S GOT TO DO THE BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MAKING
RECOMMENDATION FOR IT. >> DO YOU WANT TO PUT ANY STIPULATION ON LIMITING THE USES.
>> I CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
>> LET ME PASS UP MY LEGAL, WHEN WE START PUTTING ZONING
CONDITIONS ON -- HELP ME HERE. >> CONDITIONAL ZONING CREATES ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE THINK THAT IT IS THE COMPLETE ZONING AND IT'S LESS, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY PUT CONDITIONAL ZONING ON HERE IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S LEGALLY AVAILABLE TO YOU IF THAT MAKES SENSE BUT IT MAY NOT BE -- IT MAKES EVERYTHING A BIT MORE COMPLICATED FOR THE PROPERTY.
>> LET'S VOTE ON IT LIKE IT IS AND IF IT FAILS WE'LL COME BACK.
>> OKAY, MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND IT
FOR DISCUSSION. >> ANY DISCUSSION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COUPLE EXCLUSIONS IN THERE, LIKE A CAR WASH, OIL CHANGE AND FACILITY, ENTIRE CHANGING FACILITY BECAUSE, IF I GET AMENDED TO GO AWAY WITH THOSE, SOMETHING THAT WOULD HURT THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD BACK UP TO IT.
>> SO I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ADD THOSE THREE ITEMS IN. DOES IT NEED TO BE RE SECONDED
AND IS THAT OKAY? >> I WILL SECOND.
>> DO THEY STAY WITH THE CONDITION WITH THE PROPERTY FOR LIKE THE LIFE OF THE PROPERTY AND IF SAY LIKE 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD EVERYTHING WAS ALL COMMERCIAL AROUND THERE BECAUSE OF THE THREE TOED CONNECTION, WOULD SOMEONE BE ABLE TO COME IN AND TRY TO CHANGE THE VARIANT ON THAT?
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>> YOU HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE ONE OF THESE BODIES IN REZONING JUST LIKE YOU'RE DOING. THEY CAN ALWAYS DO THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
>> JACOB DO YOU HAVE THE LIST? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO ASK TO HEAR THAT AGAIN. I CAUGHT CAR WASH AND OIL CHANGE
FACILITY AND THEN. >> TIRE CHANGE.
SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT? >> YES.
>> LET'S PUT UP OUR VOTING SCREEN PLEASE THAT PASSES
[5. REZ 2026-09 6241 A1A South. Request to rezone approximately 0.23 acres of land from Commercial Neighborhood [CN] to Residential, Manufactured/Mobile Home or Single Family [RMH(S)].]
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> GOING TO ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH IS ANOTHER REZONING, AT 6241A1A SOUTH.
AND WE NEED EX PARTE. MR. OLSON.
>> IS IT THE SITE ON AUGUST FOURTH.
>> MISS SPIEGEL. >> VISITED THIS SITE AS WELL AND
>> VISITED THE SITE AS WELL. >> DROVE BY THE SITE YESTERDAY THEN -- BEEN BY IT A HUNDRED TIMES BUT NOT WITH THE EYE WITH SPECIFICALLY THIS IN MIND. I SEE THAT YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM PUBLIC DISCLOSURE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOUR NAME.
YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I OWN THAT PROPERTY OVER THERE. IF YOU DROVE BY THERE, MOSTLY SEE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON THAT SIDE.
ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S CONDOMINIUMS AND ON MY SIDE IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL OVER COMMERCIAL, THAT'S HOW I DEFINE IT.
I JUST WANT -- MY PROPERTY IS ALSO ZONED COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOURHOOD AND I WANT TO CHANGE IT TO RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE I FEEL IT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
IF YOU TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE YOU KNOW ABOUT THE DRIVE AROUND AND ALL THE EXCESSIVE STUFF THAT GOES ON TO BUILDING ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IT'S TOTALLY EXCESSIVE.
SO BRINGING IT BACK TO OR MAKING RESIDENTIAL, SEEM TO BE A PREDOMINANT THING THAT GOES ALONG THAT AREA.
I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR, I'M JUST THE OWNER HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT I THINK IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
I WOULD HAVE FELT THE OTHER WAY AROUND COMMERCIAL IS HIGHEST AND BEST USE BUT APPARENTLY IT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE MOST OF THE AREA BEHIND THERE AND ALONG THE AREA IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL. SO IT'S A SIMPLE REQUEST JUST TO CHANGE IT FROM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOURHOOD TO RESIDENTIAL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S THE AREA. MOST OF THE STUFF IS ACROSS THE STREET AND THE SITE IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO NO SIGNAGE ISSUE, JUST MAKE IT PURELY RESIDENTIAL PICK I HAVE NO PLANS TO BUILD ON IT RIGHT NOW, JUST WANT TO HAVE IT AS AN OPTION IF I DECIDE TO BUILD.
THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE REQUEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS IN MATERIAL WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR TODAY, ...LEGISLATURE PASSED AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER REGULAR AGENDA TODAY PICK ONE OF THE ITEMS AS A LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT IN ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING CAN HAVE MANUFACTURE HOMES NOW. SO WE HAVE ITEM SIX WEEKS TWO MONTHS AGO, IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD AND YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AGAIN TODAY.
NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY HERE TODAY, HE CAN PUT THAT DOWN THERE. CORRECT?
>> THE LEGISLATION ASIDE -- >> NO, THAT LEGISLATION SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT IT BEING RESIDENTIAL.
THE CURRENT ZONING ON THIS IS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOURHOOD.
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT -- SORRY. THANK YOU.
OKAY ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE, I SAY WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. MR. OLSON.
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>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2026-09 BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. >> MR. GREEN.
>> SECONDED. >> AND A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION?
SEEING NONE SCREEN PLEASE. >> MR. MATOVINA LEFT THE MEETING. SO WE HAVE A 6-0 VOTE ARE
[6. CPA(SS) 2025-11 Moseley Property. Request for a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation of approximately 16 acres of land from Rural/Silviculture (R/S) to Residential-A (RES-A) with a text amendment limiting the property to a maximum one (1) single-family dwelling unit; located at an unaddressed parcel north of County Road 208 and east of County Road 13 N.]
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER 6 IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WE DON'T NEED ANY EX FOR THE COMP PLAN PICK WHICH I STILL THINK IS BACKWARDS SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT EVERY T TIME.
PRESENTER IS RICHARD AND ELIZABETH MOSLEY FOR THIS PLAN
AMENDMENT ON COUNTY ROAD 208. >> 208.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, I AM RICHARD MOSLEY, THIS IS MY WIFE ELIZABETH MOSLEY. WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THE 16.3 ACRES LOCATED BEHIND 1016 COUNTY ROAD 13 SAINT AUGUSTINE.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEKING A CHANGE TO THE LAND USE THROUGH A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
SEEKING THE LAND USE CHANGE FROM CIVIL CULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL A.
WITH PURCHASE OF THE ORIGINAL 2D AND HE WENT TO THE SCHOOL OF BLIND AND THAT'S WHY WE CAME TO THIS COUNTY.
SOON AFTER SETTLING IN WE REALISE THE RATES WERE PAYING WERE VERY HIGH AND STARTED LOOKING FOR REFINANCE AND ALSO OUR SISTER WAS INTERESTED IN BUILDING A HOUSE IN THE BACK OF HER PROPERTY WERE TO BE BACK IN HERE AND WE WENT TO THE COURTHOUSE AND THEY COMPLEX, DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY DO IN THEIR, THEY SAY NO PROBLEM.
COULD EASILY BE GRANTED A HOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY AND ALSO SAID WE COULD HAVE SEVERAL HOUSES ON THAT PROPERTY.
THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTIES FINDING SALES WHEN TRYING TO GET OUR FINANCE FOR 20 ACRES 300-FOOT ON THE RIVER AND TWO HOUSES. SO LOAN OFFICERS SUGGESTED THAT IN ORDER TO FIND COMPS WE COULD TAKE THE PROPERTY TO A NEW SURVEY DONE SHOWING A SMALLER TRACK WITH HOUSE AND RIVERFRONT WHICH WOULD GIVE MULTIPLE CALLS UP AND DOWN THE ROAD AHEAD FROM 1 ACRE, 2 ACRES AND ALL THAT PEER COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING FOR THAT. THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH 4-ACRE TRACT IN THE FRONT NOW, FOR LEAVING THIS 16 ACRES IN THE BACK. VISION GAVE THE LENDER PLENTY OF COMPS AND AMOUNTS FOR FOR THE LOANS SO WE DID WHAT WE DIDN'T REALISE IS THE DIVISION OF PROPERTY WOULD CAUSE US TO LOSE THE RIGHTS TO BUILD A HOME. MY SISTER AND HER HUSBAND ENDED UP DECIDING TO BUY WHISPER RIDGE SUBDIVISION LOCALLY INSTEAD OF BUILDING. SO THEY ACTUALLY LIVE THERE NOW AND THAT'S KIND OF THROWS FOR A LOOP BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IT COULDN'T BE BUILT ON TO YEARS AND YEARS LATER.
SINCE THEY DID NOT -- THIS WOULD BE THE 16 ACRES.
SINCE THEY DIDN'T REALISE IT, THEN ABOUT TEN YEARS LATER, WE GOT INTO A FINANCIAL STRUGGLE AND DECIDED TO SELL THE 4 ACRES.
MY WIFE A VETERAN 26 YEARS DECIDED TO TALK TO THE BANK AND
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THEY RECOMMENDED THE DEED OF FORECLOSURE THAT RESULTED INTO DIVISION OF THE TWO PROPERTIES, THAT'S HOW I GOT TO LEGALS ONPROPERTY REQUESTING ZONING ON PRETTY MUCH TOTALLY CLEARED SOMETIME BETWEEN 1975 AND 1980. ONLY BIG OLD TREES THAT PRETTY MUCH STAND THERE TODAY THE WETLAND INDONESIAN PAGE NUMBER 2 SHOWS PREVIOUSLY AROUND 12 ACRES OF IRRIGATION, SPRINKLER HEADS, GROUND COVERED IN BLACK PLASTIC AND THOUSANDS OF PLASTIC POTS AND PLANTS THROUGHOUT THE NURSERY.
IT WAS ABANDONED IN THE 90S ACCORDING TO THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
ALL THIS INFORMATION APPEARS IN WETLAND ELIMINATION PAPER WHICH GIVES US 11 ACRES OF A PLANT OUT OF THE 16 TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY ALSO HAS POWER, WATER, SANDY CONTENTS WHICH IS SUITABLE FOR SEPTIC. THE CONTINGENCY PROPERTIES THAT IS SURROUNDING US, THE EIGHT-POINT -- THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, ACTUALLY ATTACHES TO OUR PROPERTY AND IT SAID THE PRESENCE FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ALONG WITH THE THREE OTHERS AROUND THE PROPERTY HAS ALSO CULTURE AND CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL A. THIS SHOWS US AROUND PROPERTIES AROUND THE HOUSES OR AROUND THE 16 ACRES.
THE HEIRS INDICATE ONLY THREE LOTS IT'S NOT BUILT ON PRETTY MUCH ALL THE WAY AROUND OUR PROPERTY CONTAINED THE 16 ACRES, A LOT OF THE AREA AROUND IT IS TWO AND FOUR AND 5-ACRE TRACTS.
SO WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE A CONSIDERABLE SIZE PROPERTY ASKING FOR THE ONE ASK WE'RE ASKING FOR.
IS CONTINGENT WITH THE RESIDENTS FOR YEARS IN SURROUNDING AREAS.
THIS IS A GOOD SIZED PIECE OF PROPERTY, THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF MOST. THAT'S WHAT HAS BROUGHT US HERE TODAY, SEEKING APPROVAL TO DO SO, SEEKING THE LAND USE CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL A S SO THE THEN CAN BE BUILT ON.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. >> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION FOR NOW? OKAY.
>> WHERE IS ON YOUR DIAGRAM -- WHERE'S YOUR PROPOSED BUILDING SITE AND CAN YOU SHOW HOW IT WILL BE ACCESSED FROM THE RIGHT
THAT'S PRETTY GOOD DIAGRAM RIGHT THERE.
THIS IS WHEN IT WAS UNDERNEATH THE PLANTS AND ALL AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROADS THROUGH THERE IN ORDER TO CLEAR END.
>> THIS AREA RIGHT HERE -- THAT AREA RIGHT THERE WOULD BE REALLY
BEAUTIFUL. >> AND WHERE WILL YOU ACCESS
THAT SITE? >> THE EXISTING ROAD CITY OWNED PROPERTY RUNS RIGHT HERE RIGHT AROUND THE POND AND STRAIGHT UP
TO THE ROAD THERE. >> AND I BELIEVE AS WE STUDIED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S A LEGAL EASEMENT TO ACCESS YOUR
PROPERTY IS IT FROM 13? >> CORRECT.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? LET ME ASK THIS, DO YOU KNOW THOMAS BELL?
>> YES, WE'RE NEIGHBOURS. >> DISPUTES YOU DON'T HAVE LEGAL ACCESS EASEMENT FROM 13 THROUGH THEIR.
>> WE USED IT FOR ABOUT NINE YEARS AND WE BLOCKED IT OFF.
>> ARE YOU SAYING IT'S PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT?
>> IT'S LEGAL. >> RECORDED EASEMENT.
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WE HAD RESEARCH DONE ON IT AND WE BLOCKED IT UP JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT AND YES, STATED NO PROBLEM AS THE ONLY EASEMENT WE HAVE THAT WOULD BE THE GRANT FOR THEIN AND OUT INGRESS. >> SO OUT TO COUNTY ROAD 13
>> AND THE ADDRESS OF YOUR PROPERTY.
>> WE DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS. THEY'VE NEVER GIVEN US AN ADDRESS. [INDISTINCT]
>> THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE.
>> IT SAYS 0208. >> DO YOU HAVE LEGAL ACCESS FROM
208 TO THE PROPERTY? >> NO, I DO NOT.
>> OKAY. I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I BET MR. BELL IS GOING TO WANT TO SPEAK.
SEEING NO OTHER QUESTION -- MR. LABANOWSKI.
>> CAN YOU PUT THE DOCUMENT ON THE OVERHEAD ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY? THE ONE YOU HAD VERY.
>> TALKING ABOUT -- WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
>> YOU HAVE A THING SHOWING THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT YOU HAVE
>> THE LETTER SHE HAD. >> IT'S FROM A STATE TITLE.
>> THIS IS A TITLE COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY INVESTIGATED AND
SHOWING. >> CAN YOU PUT THAT UP REAL QUICK? APPRECIATE IT.
>> TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN. >> THERE YOU GO.
>> I MADE HER CHECK THE REAR END -- I. ASSUME TOM IS BACK THERE IN THE CONTROL BOOTH AND HE'S ZOOMING IN.
I CAN'T READ IT QUITE YET. I CAN SEE A FEW WORDS GRANT HER
INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT. >> WE LOOKED IT UP AND IT'S THE ONLY EASEMENT WE HAVE. I WAS CONCERNED WHEN SHE BLOCKED IT OFF, THE BACK ENTRANCE WAS NOT THERE.
SO WE PROCEEDED TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK IT UP AND WE PAID FOR THE TIME AND SHE SAID SHE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GRANTING US A TITLE SEARCH FOR THAT EASEMENT. SO WE SELL THE PROPERTY.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO ACTUALLY GRANTED THE
>> YOU DID IT AT THAT TIME YOU OWN THAT PROPERTY?
>> AT THE TIME WE OWN THE PROPERTY, THE MORTGAGE COMPANY THAT WAS DEALING WITH ACTUALLY TOOK AND HAD A BREAK IT UP INTO LEGAL SO THEY COULD GET THE FINANCE WE NEEDED, THEY ACTUALLY HAD SURVEYOR COME IN AND DO IT IN '06 WHICH DRAWS AND SHOWS THE EASEMENT DOWN THE SIDE, SHOULD WE EVER NEED -- WE OWN BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY, SHOULD WE EVER NEED TO GET RID OF IT, WE WOULD NEED TO GO TO COURT SO THAT'S WHY WE COME TO THE DATE OFFICE AND HAVE IT RECORDED. SO THE WHOLE SITUATION TO GET IT DONE. ALL WE NEED BASICALLY WAS TO GO BACK TO THE SAME SURVEYOR AND GIVE THE LEGALS FORWARD AND SHOW THE PROOF THAT WE, YOU KNOW, OWNED IT WHICH WE DID OWN IT.
>> AND YOU OWNED IT AT THE TIME. YET YOU SAW IT ACCESS EASEMENT
THROUGH YOUR OWN PROPERTY. >> YES.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH, IS THAT.
>> WHY WOULD YOU NEED AN ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY
THAT YOU OWNED? >> I'M HOPING THAT OUR COUNTY
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ATTORNEY CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS POTENTIALLY OR MAYBE AFTER>> IN SEPTEMBER 16, WE SIGNED THE DEED WHICH GAVE IT BACK TO
THE BANK THEN. >> THE FRONT 5 ACRES?
>> THE 4 ACRES. WHAT THAT DID IS WE DID IT PRIOR TO WHEN WE OWNED THE PROPERTY, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY LEGALLY NEEDED THE PROPERTY AS THE RIGHT TO RECORD EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS ON THOSE PROPERTY CARCASES STATUTE WE FOUND.
BLOODY EASEMENT WE USED WAS BASICALLY THROUGH.
[INDISTINCT] THEY DREW THIS IN '06 CACTUS WAS DRAWN IN '06, LEGAL STAMP SURVEY WITH EASEMENT SHOW AND WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON GETTING RID OF THE PROPERTY OR NOTHING LIKE THAT WE DIDN'T NEED AN EASEMENT FOR THE ACCESS TO THE BACK BECAUSE WE HAD A DRIVEWAY THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.
THE ONLY REASON WE NEEDED TO RECORD IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE
GETTING RID OF THE PROPERTY. >> SO SUBSEQUENTLY, OBVIOUSLY, YOU GRANTED YOURSELF THROUGH THE COUNTY AN ACCESS EASEMENT AND THEN YOU SOLD THAT FRONT 4 ACRES.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. BELL IF HE'S WANTING TO SPEAK ON THIS. HE'S BEEN HERE ALL DAY.
>> I'M SORRY I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER.
>> THAT'S FINE YOU DID FINE. >> YES.
I OWN A PROPERTY IN FRANCE, 4.73 ACRES.
I THOUGHT THE EASEMENT WAS LEGITIMATE FOR QUITE SOME TIME
AND THEN LEARNED -- >> CAN CLARIFY ONE THING? YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IS 10610 COUNTY ROAD 13.
>> CORRECT. >> JUST HAD TO GET THAT ON THE
RECORD HERE. >> I LEARNED THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF AN EASEMENT WHICH IS AGAINST FLORIDA STATUTES AND ALSO LEARNED THAT HE HAS AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS RIGHT TO THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY. THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY THAT RUNS RIGHT INTO HIS PROPERTY. THERE'S CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE
>> FROM HIGHWAY TO. >> THERE'S LEGAL ACCESS
EASEMENT. >> THERE'S AN ACCESS, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR -- I. SPOKE TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD AND THEY SAID IT'S A COMMON ACCESS, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS. THERE'S A POWER LINE THAT RUNS DOWN THERE. THERE ISN'T A ROAD, AN ACTUAL RAILROAD, WHICH I BELIEVE HE'S TAKEN HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN.
HE TOOK A TRACK IN THERE AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET IN WAS TO USE THAT RIGHT OF WAY. SO NOT ONLY THAT, BUT HE HAS GIVEN HIMSELF AN EASEMENT ACROSS HIGHWAY 13 TO THE RIVER.
IN MY MIND, WHY DO YOU NEED AN EASEMENT TO THE RIVER TO GO TO A PROPERTY IN THE BACK THAT YOU CLAIM -- WHY DO YOU NEED RIVER ACCESS? LAST TIME THEY WERE THERE OR USED THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHAT I FOUND THAT HAD BEEN I BELIEVE ILLEGALLY OBTAINED, I CONFRONTED HIM AND ASKED HIM NOT TO USE IT AGAIN. AT THAT TIME I HAD AN ATTORNEY THAT HE COULD HAVE CONTACTED TO DISCUSS WITH THE LEGALITIES OF IT AND HE HAS SINCE MOVED ON TO CORPORATE LAW AND I HAVE SINCE
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BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING ANOTHER ATTORNEY TO CONTEST THIS. ADDITIONALLY, NEXT TO THE EASEMENT THAT HE HAS PRESCRIBED, WAS A VACANT LAND AT THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND SINCE THEN HAS BEEN DEVELOPED A MILLION AND A QUARTER DOLLAR HOME PUT ON IT AND HE'S GOING TO BE DRIVING ON AN EASEMENT THAT'S 10 FEET FROM HER SIDE OF HER HOUSE.I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE HER HOUSE BUT, THE PROPOSED EASEMENT THAT HE HAS IS IN MY VIEW ILLEGAL.
SHE'S UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT. THE LAST TIME THAT I SAW THEM AT THE PROPERTY HE HAD GONE OUT TO THE RIVERFRONT AND CUT DOWN TREES THAT WERE ON HER PROPERTY AND NOT ON HIS PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY. HE SAID HE WANTED TO PUT A DOCK DOWN THERE. THEY WON'T ALLOW YOU TO PUT A DOCK AROUND HERE IT'S LIKE 3020 OR 30 FEET AWAY.
HE SAID I JUST WANT A LITTLE DOCK.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE TRUTH OF THIS SO GO AHEAD AND
CONTINUE. >> I'VE RUN OUT OF TIME.
>> YOU CAN CONTINUE. >> I PROTEST THIS, I INTEND TO GO INTO LITIGATION WITH THIS AND I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY AT THIS POINT. I HAVE A MEETING WITH LEGAL COUNSEL TOMORROW BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T MEET WITH ME SOONER BUT I DO WANT TO PURSUE THIS. I BELIEVE IT WAS DONE ILLEGALLY.
I BELIEVE IT WAS DONE -- MAYBE NOT INTENTIONALLY TO ME BUT IT KILLS MY PROPERTY VALUE AND UNDERVALUES MY NEIGHBOUR'S PROPERTY. I HAVE PAID TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY FOR TEN YEARS. I'VE MAINTAINED EASEMENTS FOR TEN YEARS, AND HE'S USED IT MAYBE FIVE OR SIX TIMES IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. SO I OBJECT HONESTLY TO WHAT IS GOING ON HERE AND HE KNOWS IT. THERE'S A ROAD THAT GOES AND ACTUALLY RUNS RIGHT INTO HIS LAND.
>> CAN YOU TELL ME WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH THAT HE PUT THAT OTHER EASEMENT THROUGH THEN TO THE RIVER? WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY WEST --
>> I RESEARCHED AND IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED.
THERE WAS POWER PUT IN THERE ONE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHY THEY HAD A POWER DROP IN THERE ONE TIME. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY OWNED THAT LAND I THINK THEY BOUGHT IT IN 1980 AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE BUT THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN -- THERE'S A ROAD RIGHT OUT TO HIGHWAY TWO OH A.
>> I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE LAND WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 13, THE WOMAN THAT BUILT THE HOUSE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE EASEMENT WOULD GO 10 FEET ALONG THE SIDE OF HER HOUSE.
WHO OWNS THAT? >> MRS. CARNES.
>> WE HAVE A LETTER AND ALSO AN EMAIL FROM HER.
>> SHE'S REALLY UPSET ABOUT IT. >> JACKIE.
SHE HAS SENT A LETTER. AND YOU'RE MAINTAINING.
>> I'VE CONTINUALLY MAINTAINED THE EASEMENT.
>> BUT THEN HE PUT AN EASEMENT THROUGH THAT PROPERTY ALSO AN
ACCESS EASEMENT? >> NOT THROUGH JACKIE'S PROPERTY BUT THE EASEMENT -- HER FENCE IS PROBABLY 6 INCHES OFF OF OUR COMMUNAL PROPERTY LINE ON HER SIDE.
AND HIS EASEMENT RUNS RIGHT DOWN TO THE FENCE LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK FROM HIGHWAY 13 ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, BUT WHERE IT COMES OUT TO HIGHWAY 13 IS NONCONFORMING TO WHAT HIS SUPPOSED EASEMENT IS BECAUSE THE ENTRYWAY IS WAY OFF THE 20-FOOT EASEMENT THAT HE HAS GIVEN HIMSELF.
>> DOES HE OWN THAT LAND WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 13?
>> DOES HE -- >> R.D. ISN'T TO THE RIVER?
>> OUT ON THE STREET OR THE RIVER OR BACK.
>> FROM COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH TO THE RIVER, YOU SAID HE PUT AN
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EASEMENT THROUGH THERE AND HE WANTED TO PUT A DOCK.>> THAT'S A -- WE WENT TO THE COUNTY AND ASKED ABOUT IT, WE SENT FOR PROBABLY LIKE TWO HOURS DISCUSSING THIS WITH PEOPLE AND ZONING AND THEY WERE KIND OF CHUMPED ABOUT IT.
WHY GIVING HIMSELF ACCESS TO RIVERFRONT?
>> DOES HE OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE EASEMENT THE RIVER FRONTAGE
I'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES ON THAT FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.
>> WEST OF HIGHWAY. >> ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE
HIGHWAY, THE RIVERFRONT. >> HE OWNED THAT AS WELL?
>> I HAVE 300 FEET. >> THAT CLARIFIES IT I THINK.
>> THIS IS PRETTY CONFUSING. >> I'M A LITTLE EXCITED AND
WORKED UP. >> I CAN UNDERSTAND.
OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY GUIDANCE FROM OUR
COUNTY ATTORNEY ABOUT THIS. >> I GOT SOME GUIDANCE HERE FIRST AND FOREMOST I WANT TO REMIND YOU ONE, THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE ACTION THAT YOU'RE DOING, A SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN SO YOU'RE NOT SITTING IN YOUR NORMAL TRADITIONAL CAPACITY, YOU'RE SITTING IN A LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY MAKING LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS ABOUT LAND USE AND ZONING I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS. THE STATE OF FLORIDA UNDER CHAPTER 704 HAS EASEMENT CODE, IT WILL PROVIDE SOME ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY SOME WAY. IT WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. THEY WILL FIND THAT OUT IN CIVIL COURT. WE'RE NOT HERE TO DETERMINE THAT
>> SO WHAT IS THE ISSUE TODAY, REGARDLESS OF THE ACCESS, AND THE ACCESS COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND IT COULD WEIGH IN ON YOUR DECISION BUT JUST NOTE THERE WILL BE SOME ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY AT SOME POINT.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MAY HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY FOR THAT
ACCESS BUT THERE WILL BE ACCESS. >> CAN'T BE A LAND LINE PROPERTY
I CAN UNDERSTAND -- >> AS FAR AS THE STABILITY OF THE ACCESS IS, I CANNOT TELL YOU IT REQUIRES A LOT OF DISCOVERY FROM A JUDGE TO DECIDE WHAT THE HISTORICAL USES OF THOSE ACCESSES HAVE BEEN. THERE'S A LOT OF TIMING ISSUES AS TO WHEN THE ACCESS WAS GRANTED TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THE RECORDED EASEMENT IS GOOD OR NOT.
SO THOSE WERE ISSUES FOR CIVIL COURTS.
THEY'RE NOT ISSUES FOR US TODAY. SO THIS IS --
>> MY QUESTION IS HOW WE MOVE FORWARD?
>> YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS DECISION TODAY.
YOU CAN SAY NO TO IT BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT LAND USE AND ZONING THAT ACCESS WILL COME FROM SOME DIRECTION AND SINCE THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST IS FOR RESIDENTIAL, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WILL OCCUR AND THAT.
AND AGAIN IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE THAT, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF RESIDENTIAL USE OF A PROPERTY LIKE THAT, IS PROBABLY THE ACCESS MAY NOT BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN THE WORLD.
IT'S A HUGE ISSUE TO THE NEIGHBOURS AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND EITHER COME TO A DECISION THEMSELVES OR GO TO A JUDGE AND HAVE THE JUDGE DECIDE IT.
BUT THAT WE WON'T BE DECIDING PERKINS JUST LAND USE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PUT A RESIDENTIAL HOME ON
THAT PARCEL OR NOT. >> BUT APPARENTLY THERE'S LEGAL
>> PROPERTIES HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESSES AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO ASSUME THERE'S LEGAL ACCESS SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THE STATE OF FLORIDA WILL CREATE AN ACCESS.
>> BUT YOU ONLY NEED ONE LEGAL ACCESS.
>> CORRECT BUT YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE PIXEL THE EASEMENTS --
>> I HAVE A NEW SHAPED DRIVEWAY SO I HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
[LAUGHING] I AM THINKING I I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FULLY VERIFIABLE INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS. I KNOW IT'S A COMP PLAN TO CHANGE THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW THE ONE UNIT FOR THE 16.31 ACRES, BUT THIS OTHER LEGAL ASPECT I DON'T KNOW.
>> I'M ESSENTIALLY SAYING YOU CAN IGNORE THE OTHER LEGAL ASPECT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PROPER BODY TO HANDLE THAT DECISION. YOU HAVE TO GENERATE A LOT OF EVIDENCE AND GET TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES TO FIGURE OUT EVEN IF THE RECORDED EASEMENT IS PROPERLY RECORDED INVALID.
IF IT'S NOT THE CASE YOU CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT BY USE, WHICH MAY BE VACANT.
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EITHER WAY THERE'S GOING TO BE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IF SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR IT AND WHERE IT IS.BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO DECIDE THAT TODAY.
>> OKAY, ARE YOU JACKIE? >> SHOULDN'T COME TODAY.
>> SO WE WON'T HEAR FROM HER. >> I THINK SHE PLANS TO GO TO THE SEPTEMBER FIRST MEETING I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO GO
FORWARD. >> TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY
>> SO WE DON'T HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL AND HERE IT WOULDN'T REALLY MATTER CAN I QUIT IT? SO I SUPPOSE NOT.
>> I THINK AT THIS TIME THERE'S -- IT'S NOT MY CALL.
>> THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS I APPRECIATE IT.
MR. OLSON, YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO --
>> I DON'T THINK I CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT BUT I GUESS -- YOU ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO REBUT ALL THIS. ABSOLUTELY.
I GUESS WE SHOULD CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO YOU WANT HIM TO REBUT FIRST? >> LET'S GO AHEAD WITH THE
PLEASE CORRECT MR. PERKINS SAYS -- AND I KNOW SHE HAS TO LEAVE AT 4:30. SO TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
>> A QUICK SCAN OF ALL THE OFFICIAL RECORDS THAT ARE ON PROPERTY OFFICE, BASED ON WHAT I CAN TELL, WHEN THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, WHEN YOUR PETITION OF THAT FOUR AND A HALF FOUR PLUS ACRES TO -- IT ACTUALLY WENT TO AMERICA AND DURING THAT WHOLE PROCESS HE ISSUED AN EASEMENT TO YOURSELF WHEN IT WAS RECORDED. THAT WAS RECORDED BEFORE ISRAEL PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. SO WHEN HE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY HE WOULD HAVE A TITLE REPORT AND IT WOULD BE ON THIS DATE. SO IT'S IN MY OPINION ON SUBSURFACE LEVEL A VERY VALID EASEMENT TO HIS PROPERTY.
SO THE NEIGHBOURS WILL HAVE TO FIND THAT OUT TITLE COMPANIES WILL HAVE TO FIND THAT OUT PRIOR COMBAT ACCESS IS NOT AN ISSUE IN MY OPINION AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD AFFECT OUR
I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, VERY GOOD.
MR. LABANOWSKI. >> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE MR. PERKINS BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE COUNTY MAPS AS WELL AND THERE ARE POSSIBLE ACCESS POINTS BUT THE ACCESS POINTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE TODAY. ONE ACCESS POINT THAT HAD BEEN SOLD A COUPLE OF TIMES MAY NOT BE RECORDED ACCESS.
>> DONE IN 78. THAT ACCESS WAS PUT IN 78,
ACCESS FOR POWER. >> UTILITY ACCESS.
>> SOME SAY IT'S NOT THERE. ANYWAY, THE ONLY THING I SEE HERE, AND I KNOW MR. OLSON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS THE LAND USE ITSELF CANNOT ACCESS OR ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU.
>> MR. GREEN. >> I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION BUT IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK IN THE AGENCY, -- I. THINK WE WOULD BE BEATING THE HORSE TO DEATH, I'M READY TO GO. I TOTALLY GET IT NOW.
I DON'T THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE EASEMENTS, SO WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION GOING TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION, YOU'RE CORRECT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR CP A 2025-11 WITH THE FOUR FINDINGS EFFECT IN OUR STAFF REPORT.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. I KNOW MR. BELL WANTS TO SPEAK AND IT'S UNUSUAL TO ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK.
AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO MAKE ANOTHER STATEMENT BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR ALL -- YOU NEED TO COME
TO THE MICROPHONE. >> I WANT TO HEAR TO CONTEST HIM BUILDING THERE. HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE BUILDING. WHAT I WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD
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WAS THE EASEMENT ON MY PROPERTY. >> YOU HAVE DONE THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. OLSON DO YOU HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED OUR VOTING SCREEN UP AND I WILL NOTE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR OTHER SIMILAR COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS OR REZONINGS OUT THERE. I KNOW I VOTED FOR PROBABLY THREE OF THOSE LIKE MAYBE ALL FOUR OF THEM, SORRY NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS ONE. OUR VOTING SCREEN IS UP PLEASE.
[9. LDCA26-05 Food Truck Parks. The Board of County Commissioners requested an update to Land Development Code (LDC) regulations regarding Food Truck Parks at their regularly scheduled public hearing on Tuesday, May 5, 2026. This item is a proposed amendment to the LDC for Food Trucks and Food Truck Parks; the BCC requests input from the PZA regarding the proposed ordinance. ]
OKAY, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU.
>> NOW WE ARE SKIPPING OVER ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT AND WE ARE COMING UP TO NUMBER 9 WHICH IS THE FOOD TRUCK PART AND JACOB SMITH IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
I HOPE EVERYONE READ THROUGH THAT MATERIAL THERE COULD TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THANK YOU MISS PERKINS.
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 9, IT'S CODE AMENDMNT FOR FUTURE PARKS -- FOOD TRUCK PARKS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO UPDATE OUR CODE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THE ROOTS OF REGULATIONS FOR FOOD TRUCKS AND FOOD TRUCK PARTS.
ALL GENERALLY GO OVER WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
WE'RE ADDING FOOD TRUCKS AND FOOD TRUCK PART AS A DEFINED TERM AND ALLOW USE WITHIN HIGH INTENSITY ZONINGS FOR HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND RURAL COMMERCIAL ZONING. WE'RE MAKING THE CLARIFICATION FOOD TRUCKS CAN BE UTILISED AS A TEMPORARY USE UNLESS INTENSE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. WE ARE CREATING A SET OF DESIGN FOR FOOD TRUCK PARKS -- FOR THE DEFINITIONS ALREADY.
I BELIEVE I HAD THOSE STANDARDS HERE AND I'LL BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE. THEIR COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS.
SO -- ASKING TO CHANGE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT, TO 7:00 A.M. TO 9:00 P.M. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE.
OTHERWISE THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE COMPETITIVELY AND SAFETY STANDARDS SO INCLUDING SEPARATION OF FOOD TRUCKS FROM EACH OTHER, REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING SPACES, TRASH CANS, SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND SO FORTH.
THAT CATEGORY OF USE SPECIFICALLY FOR FOOD TRUCKS WHICH HAVE THEIR SORT OF OWN RULES AND REGULATION AND THEN FOOD TRUCK PARKS WHICH IS WHEN YOU DEVELOP A SITE FOR THE INTENDED PURPOSE IF YOU WILL CALCULATE PERMANENT MARKET FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT OPERATE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE BOARD IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS.
>> I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. SOMEONE ON THE BOARD COULD HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO I'M JUST WONDERING, DO WE NEED TO DO EX PARTE ON THIS ISSUE?
>> A TEMPLATE THAT. [INDISTINCT] THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THANK YOU. MISS SPIEGEL.
>> THE ONLY THING FOR THE FOOD TRUCK PART, I DON'T SEE MENTIONED IS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PROHIBITION.
OR ALLOWING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE IN THE MENTION. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT FOOD TRUCK PARKS, NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUAL FOOD TRUCK, WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT THING BUT IN REGARD TO THE FOOD TRUCK PARKS, THAT IS CONSIDERED A HIGH INTENSITY DOOR SALES TYPE USE. SO A FOOD TRUCK PARK ULTIMATELY WILL ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR USES, LIKE LIVE MUSIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO HOURS OF OPERATION IS ONE OF THE WAYS IN THE SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO SORT OF BRING THAT IN. THAT BEING SAID, ANY AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR LIVE PERFORMANCES THAT MIGHT MAKE A BUNCH OF NOISE ARE GOING TO BE RESTRICTED BY THE COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE SO I DIDN'T ANSWER THAT LANGUAGE INTO THE FOOD TRUCK PARK SECTION
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PER SE. >> PLUS THE LIVE MUSIC WOULD
NEED TO SHUT DOWN BY 9:00 P.M. >> SO THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE FOOD TRUCK PARK WOULD INCLUDE ANY ACTIVITY THEY HAVE GOING ON WOULD BE HELD TO THE 9:00 P.M. CURFEW.
>> JUST THINKING OF THAT ONE, ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE -- I. DON'T KNOW. THE OTHER THING I HAVE WAS OF COURSE MISS FIELDS WANTS TO TALK IN HERE.
I UNDERSTAND WEST AUGUSTINE MAYBE NOT A BIG PROPONENT OF THAT VISION THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE CRA AND MAYBE THAT'S PART OF WHY THERE'S OTHER WRINKLE IN WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO AND
WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO. >> I WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO THE BOARD DOES HAVE AN EMAIL FROM MISS FIELDS AND SHE'S BEEN IN CONTACT AND SPOKEN AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND IN TOUCH WITH STAFF AND ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO. ONE OF THE RUBS IS THAT THE PROPERTY SHE OWNS IS IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING, IT DOESN'T ALLOW A DOOR SALES OR SIMILAR USES AGAIN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS I WENT OVER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGH INTENSITY ZONING, HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL AND RURAL COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT ANTICIPATE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
THAT BEING SAID I THINK THERE'S A PATH FORWARD FOR MISS FIELDS BUT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A BIT OF COORDINATION WITH THE CRA AND IT WILL LIKELY BE SOMETHING THAT IS EXCLUSIVE TO THE WEST AUGUSTINE OVERLAY BECAUSE IT HAS SPECIAL ALLOWANCES FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY WITHIN ITS OVERLAY.
SO THAT'S HOW I'M GOING TO APPROACH THAT.
FORTUNATELY NOT PART OF THE REQUEST THE COUNTY COMMISSION MADE TO STAFF TO ADDRESS, BUT I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH MISS FIELDS TO FIND SOMETHING BOTH SHE AND THE WEST
COMMUNITY FIND ACCEPTABLE. >> THANK YOU.
>> I'LL LET THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UP HERE.
MR. OLSON. >> JUST FOLLOWING UP ON SOME OF THE LINE OF QUESTIONING, I READ -- I. HAD QUESTIONS IN MY MIND ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, NEIGHBOURHOOD COMMERCIAL.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE NEIGHBOURHOOD COMMERCIAL IS RIGHT ACROSS THE FENCE FROM QUIET NEIGHBOURHOODS.
MY QUESTION RELATES TO A FOOD TRUCK PARK THAT WOULD HAVE POSSIBLY OUTSIDE -- SEATING AND OUTSIDE MUSIC AND MAYBE EVEN ALCOHOL SALE. SO I'M WONDERING WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE SOME ADDED LEVEL OF PUBLIC SCRUTINY THROUGH MAYBE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SITUATIONS WHERE A RESIDENTIAL AREA RIGHT UP AGAINST A BEER GARDEN WITH MUSIC PLAYING UNTIL 9:00 P.M. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? IF THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, REVIEW CUPE ABSOLUTELY CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
AGAIN, THE FIRST THING I'LL ADDRESS IS THE USE TYPE OR THE USE INTENSITY. SO NEIGHBOURHOOD COMMERCIAL, MUCH LIKE GENERAL COMMERCIAL OR BOTH ZONING INTENSITIES AND ZONING CATEGORIES. SO FOOD TRUCK PARK IS SIMPLY NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THOSE, ONLY KEEPING IT TO THE HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIALS BUT NONETHELESS HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ZONING CAN SOMETIMES -- THE STANDARDS THAT EXIST THERE THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED ARE DOING THE MOST WE CAN WITHIN THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK OF OUR CODE TO PROVIDE DISTANCE AND SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS, HOURS OF OPERATION REQUIREMENTS.
I GUESS FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT, HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ALLOWS OUTDOOR ACTIVITY BY RIGHT AS IT IS.
SO PUSHING THAT INTO A SPECIAL USE CATEGORY WOULD LIKELY TO BE CONSIDERED MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN BURDENSOME.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NEIGHBOURHOOD COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL, NOT ALLOWED FOOD TRUCKS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
INTRODUCING THEM AS A SPECIAL USE COULD BE SOMETHING BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED AND THEN WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT HIGH
INTENSITY. >> OKAY, I MUST HAVE NOT READ THIS CAREFULLY I DID SEE RURAL COMMERCIAL AND WE HAVE A CASE ON
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AT LEAST ONE THAT IS QUITE WELL KNOWN ON NORTH COASTAL HIGHWAY WHERE WE HAVE RURAL COMMERCIAL ZONING RIGHT NEAR RESIDENTIAL.SO THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE WHEN I SAW RURAL COMMERCIAL.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE OVERALL ZONING MAP TO KNOW HOW OFTEN RURAL COMMERCIAL GOES UP AGAINST
RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOURHOOD. >> IT'S NOT VERY COMMON AND I WILL SAY THAT WE ADDED THAT SORT OF OUTDOOR USE TO RURAL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE RURAL COMMERCIAL ALLOWS FOR OTHER HIGH INTENSITY OUTDOOR USES INCLUDING SHOOTING RANGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE IDEA WAS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO RURAL COMMERCIAL BUT AT THE DIRECTION OF THIS AGENCY, WE COULD PASS ALONG THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IN RURAL CMMERCIAL, A FOOD TRUCK PARK COULD BE A SPECIAL USE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY NOT SOMETHING THAT IS CONTEMPLATED
IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. >> ARE THERE IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL? THE CONCERN -- THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL GENERAL UNLIKE RURAL COMMERCIAL.
SO HISTORICALLY THE BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT COMMUNITY HASN'T BEEN PARTICULARLY FOND OF HAVING FOOD TRUCK PARKS ENCROACHED INTO THEIR BRICK AND MORTAR TYPE LOCATION WHERE THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO INVEST NEARLY AS MUCH TIME IN AS AS ENERGY AND MONEY. SO WE HAVE NOT BEEN RECOMMENDING THAT AND IT WAS NOT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS. >> GOOD ANSWER.
>> MR. GREEN. >> HOW ABOUT THESE COMMUNITIES CAN THEY GO TO MARKET STREET, THEY ACTUALLY SET IT UP SO THEY GOT PLUGS FOR POWER, DOES THAT EFFECT THESE NEIGHBOURHOODS AT ALL OR IF SOMEBODY'S GOT A SPECIAL EVENT OR SOMEBODY WANTS TO HIRE A FOOD TRUCK FOR THEIR HOUSE OR WHATEVER, ANNIVERSARY PARTY, WEDDING PARTY, HOW DOES IT --
>> IT DOES AFFECT THAT MAKES IT MORE CLEAR UNDER OUR EXISTING CODE FOOD TRUCKS DO OPERATE AS A TEMPORARY USE.
THEY'RE NOT DEFINED AND NOT LABELLED IN A TEMPORARY USE CATEGORY AND JUST SORT OF FALLS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF OUTDOOR EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MANY OF THE MODERN PUDS CONTEMPLATE ALLOWING FOOD TRUCK PARKS ON A TEMPORARY BASIS AT COMMUNITY CENTRES AND SIMILAR FACILITIES WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBOURHOODS. SO THIS IS REALLY NOT TAKING AWAY ANYTHING, NOT RESTRICTING THAT SORT OF ACTIVITY, IT'S MORE WELL DEFINING THAN WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND GIVING A NAME TO FOOD TRUCK WITHIN THE TEMPORARY USE PERMISSIBILITY.
>> I KNOW THIS IS A VERY POPULAR IN THESE NEIGHBOURHOODS.
>> AGAIN, NO INTENT OR REGULATION THAT IS TRYING TO PULL THAT BACK, IT IS AS DEFINED AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
WE'VE NOW SIMPLY ADDED THE WORDS IN THE TEMPORARY USE CATEGORY OF FOOD TRUCK TO CLARIFY YOU CAN HAVE A PERMIT FOR TEMPORARY USE IN THE LESS INTENSE ZONING INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL OR AT LEAST MIXED USE PUDS. AGAIN THAT'S FOOD TRUCKS INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT FOOD TRUCK PARK THAT A FOOD TRUCK MOST CERTAINLY CAN'T FIT IN ON A NEIGHBOURHOOD FESTIVAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.
ONE OTHER THING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS HAVING THE FOOD TRUCKS CORRECT SOME NEIGHBOURHOODS WILL HAVE FIVE OR SIX OF THEM FOR AN EVENT SO I'M GLAD IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THEM.
AS FAR AS THE NOISE ORDINANCE, IS THERE A WAY OF HAVING IT IN THERE? PLEASE REFER TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE SOMEHOW ANOTHER -- BECAUSE FOOD TRUCK OWNED, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ELICIT THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THEY'LL LOOK AT THE PARAMETERS ARE AND IT'S JUST REFERENCE TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE. PLEASE REFER TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR ANY NOISE MUSIC OR WHATEVER IS ON THAT EFFECT.
>> ABSOLUTELY, AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BOARD CORRECT WE CAN AMEND THE SPECIFICATION LANGUAGE.
WE HAVE IT IN HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
WITH REFERENCE Y WASTEWATER CONNECTION, REFERENCE TO SOLID WASTE STORAGE STANDARDS. SO IF THIS BOARD WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE BCC TO INCORPORATE NOISE ORDINANCE IT COULD BE ADDED MOST
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CERTAINLY. >> THE OTHER THING IN REGARDS TO THE WATER AND SEWER HOOK-UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE HAVE THE ONE SO CALLED FOOD TRUCK PARK WITH COMIC BOXES.
HOW DOES THAT FIT IN WITHIN THIS? GOING TO FALL UNDER THIS OR DIFFERENT PARAMETERS?
>> SO A COMIC BOX IF IT'S GOING TO BE USED AS A BUILDING IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS AND GET SIGNED OFF BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHY THOSE REGULATIONS -- IT'S IN THE BLUE SECTION OF WHAT I HAVE POSTED UP THERE, ESSENTIALLY SAYING, EVEN THOUGH YOUR FOOD TRUCK PARK, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS MAY BE -- WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TRUCKS AGAIN BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE OTHER FACILITIES ON SITE AND YOU NEED TO KNOW THOSE FACILITIES HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED OF BEING A BUILDING.
>> BECAUSE THE FOOD PARK I WENT TO SUNDAY HAD BOXES THERE AND ALSO HAD THE FOOD TRUCK THERE AS WELL SO IT WAS MIXED AND MATCH AND THAT FOOD PARK. THANK YOU.
>> MISS SPIEGEL. >> WHAT'S THE KLEENEX BOX?
>> A METAL STORAGE CONTAINER. >> OKAY THAT WAS NOT WHAT I WAS PICTURING AT ALL. JACOB, DO YOU KNOW WHAT ZONING
IS, WHAT THE AREA IS ZONED. >> IT'S COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
>> NOT THAT I DON'T LOVE A GOOD ACCORDION BUT CAN WE PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE? I'M JUST PICTURING THESE POOR PEOPLE IN THOSE HOUSES AND TRYING TO GET THEIR KIDS TO BED AT 8:00 AND THERE'S AN ACCORDION POLKA CONCERT WHICH COULD BE FUN. THAT WAS REALLY MY ONLY THING ABOUT THIS. I THINK THEY'RE GREAT I THINK IT'S FUN AND WONDERFUL BUT I COULD SEE SOME PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES, JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT ONE PARTICULAR LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF WHAT SPURRED THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS THAT PARK. SO THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY I LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING JUST PARAMETERS AND ANY LIVE ENTERTAINMENT MUST BE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE SO IT'S IN WRITING. THANK YOU.
>> I THINK WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. GREEN DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
[INDISTINCT] >> IF THAT WOULD BE YOUR WILL, YES, SIR. PUBLIC COMMENT I ASSUME YOUR
>> HOW WOULD I KNOW? HOW COULD WE SIT THROUGH THIS ENTIRE MEETING IF -- I. DO NOT KNOW THAT, NEVER MET HER.
[LAUGHING] MY APOLOGIES FOR MIS RECOGNISING YOU NOW THAT YOU'RE MARRIED TO HIM.
I'M GOING TO CALL ON MR. GREEN AGAIN.
>> I RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CHANGES, MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CHANGES FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE -- WHAT DO WE HAVE, 26 '05, FOOD TRUCK PARK THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO ADD THE NOISE ORDINANCE AS ONE OF THE
STANDARDS OF OPERATION? >> CORRECT.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET IT SECONDED?
>> IT'S NOT MY COMMISSION. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MISS SPIEGEL. ANY DISCUSSION? OR IT'S TIME TO VOTE LET'S VOTE. THANK YOU JACOB.
[Staff Reports ]
>> THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY
>> AND THAT WOULD BE JOKE COULD BE AGAIN.
>> NEXT MEETING. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
AT ONE OF THE PRIOR MEETINGS, MEMBER OLSON REQUESTED A LEGISLATIVE UPDATE ABOUT CHANGES, LAND USE CHANGES THAT WERE RECENTLY SIGNED INTO LAW BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BY THE
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GOVERNOR, AND IF YOU GIVE ME ONE QUICK MOMENT TO GET BACK INTO MY COMPUTER, WE WILL DISCUSS THAT. SO I SENT -- THIS BOARD A BREAKDOWN OF A REALLY NICE PRESENTATION THAT THE THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA HAD PUT TOGETHER.THIS IS A STRIPPED DOWN VERSION OF IT.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, AND IT REMOVES ANYTHING THAT DIDN'T PASS.
IT IS STILL A LONG LIST, NONETHELESS, AND SO I WOULD ASK THE BOARD IF THERE WERE ANY PARTICULAR THINGS OR ITEMS IN HERE OF DISCUSSION, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, I WILL JUST BE INCREDIBLY BRIEF OVER THE FULL LIST. SO I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ALL HAD REVIEWED IT AND I'M HAPPY TO FILL YOU IN ON THE DETAILS.
>> WELL, WHEN I MISSPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THE -- ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING HAS TO NOW ACCEPT A MANUFACTURED MOBILE HOME.
SO I MISSPOKE ON THAT EARLIER. BUT THAT IS CORRECT AND THAT GOES INTO EFFECT AS OF JULY 1ST.
IS THAT NOW IN EFFECT? >> THE -- THE -- AND IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE BOTTOM HERE. SO THIS IS PART OF SENATE BILL 208, AND THAT ALLOWS MANUFACTURED BUILDINGS IN ALL
RESIDENTIAL ZONING CATEGORIES. >> SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE ITEMS LIKE THAT COMING EVEN BEFORE US, BECAUSE OUR
OPINION IS MOOT? >> THAT -- THAT -- THAT IS
>> SO IT -- IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST.
>> OH, JANUARY 1ST. >> SO SOMETIME BEFORE, THAT YOU WILL SEE A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AMENDMENT COME THROUGH THIS BOARD UPDATING OUR EXISTING CODES TO MATCH STATE STATUTES.
SO WHEREAS NEW MOBILE HOMES ARE A SPECIAL USE IN MANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING CATEGORIES, THEY WILL SIMPLY BE ALLOWED BY
AND THEN I HAD SOMETHING ON 686, JUST -- YOU WOULD EXPOUND ON THAT BUT I THINK OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE THAT IN THE GOING DOWN THE LIST, SO DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPOUND AND ENLIGHTEN US ON 686 AND WHAT YOU THINK THE COUNTY COMMISSION -- I THINK ON AUGUST 18TH, IS THAT CORRECT, THEY ARE GOING TO
>> OH, YEAH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVES, UNDER SENATE BILL 686. SO THIS IS OF COURSE A NEW LIEU THAT ALLOWS PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWNING A CONSULT OR CIVIL CULTURAL PROPERTIES TO APPLY FOR A CERTIFICATION WITH -- WITHIN THEIR MUNICIPALITY TO BE CERTIFIED AS AN AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE. WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE ABSOLUTE DETAILS, EFFECTIVELY, IT REQUIRES A PROPERTY TO HAVE A LARGE PORTION OF ITS BOUNDARY ADJACENT TO DEVELOPED OR FUTURE LAND USE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE, THE THRESHOLDS VARY, BUT IT'S A MINIMUM 50% UP TO 75% OF THEIR BOUNDARIES HAVE TO BE ADJACENT TO, AGAIN, EITHER DEVELOPED OR INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED BY WAY OF FUTURE LAND USE, AND THAT ALLOWS THEM -- THERE -- THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR IT, BUT THAT'S -- THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE.
AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH AND THEN THEY CAN -- THE STAFF HAS TO ANALYZE, THEY SUBMIT AND STAFF HAS TO ANALYZE AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY THE STATE ARE MET, AND THEN THE LOCAL -- THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY HAS TO HEAR THE ITEM AT PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL BE AUGUST 19TH IN THE CASE OF ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY WHERE WE HAVE 6 AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVES ON THAT -- ON THAT HEARING DATE, AND THEN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERLESS MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THOSE APPLICATIONS MEET THE STATE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.
>> AND TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE ON THOSE.
THERE'S A DEADLINE, RIGHT, THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO ACCEPT OR ON
IT'S A VERY SHORT TIMELINE. SO STAFF, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT
FOR THE PAST MONTH. >> I CAN IMAGINE.
>> ALL OF THESE APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED AT THE BEGINNING OF JULY, AND SO STAFF HAD 30 DAYS FOR REVIEW, AND PUBLICATION OF A STAFF REPORT TO THE APPLICANS.
SO WE HAVE DONE THAT, AND NOW WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS TO HEAR THE ITEMS AND THEY HAVE -- EITHER THEY CAN EITHER APPROVE OR DENY DURING THEIR PUBLIC HEARING OR THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS OF LEEWAY, UP TO 90 TOTAL TO FINALLY MAKE A DECISION.
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>> OKAY. I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO -- OTHER COMMENTS.
MISS SPIEGEL? >> SO WHAT IS THE COMMENT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE SAY, REVERTS BACK TO PREVIOUS STANDARD IN 2027. ONLY A ONE YEAR THING?
>> IT IS IN FACT, THAT IS A SUNSET, AND SO AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVES WAS ALREADY A PROVISION WITHIN STATE STATUTE.
IT WAS FAR MORE LIMITED IN SCOPE PREVIOUSLY, AND SO, YES, SO THERE IS A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD FOR PROPERTY OWNERS WHO THINK THEY MEET OR MEET THESE PROVISIONS TO APPLY FOR CERTIFICATION AND THEN ONCE THAT TIME PERIOD IS OVER, THEY CAN NO LONGER DO IT UNDER THESE CURRENT STANDARDS.
THAT BEING SAID, IF -- IF AN APPLICANT OR A PROPERTY OWNER IS CERTIFIED, IT DOESN'T GO AWAY. THE CERTIFICATION SORT OF SITS
>> AS EFFECTIVELY A LAND USE CHANGE OR SOME SORT OF
DEVELOPMENTAL ENTITLEMENT. >> WOW.
>> AND I WILL -- JUST THAT MAKES ME THINK, ONE THING I DIDN'T SAY AND I SEE IT, IT'S LISTED IN HERE, SO WHAT THEY WOULD -- WHAT A PROPERTY OWNER WOULD RECEIVE IF THEY WERE CERTIFIED AS AN AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE IS IT ALLOWS THEM THE DEVELOPMENT DENSITY OF THE HIGHEST ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DWELLING DENSITY OF THEIR ADJACENT PROPERTY. SO IF YOU ARE ADJACENT TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE AND YOU GET A CERTIFICATION, YOUR PROPERTY GETS TWO UNITS PER ACRE. IF ARE ADJACENT TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE, YOUR PROPERTY GETS 13 UNITS PER ACRE.
AS IT SO HAPPENS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE APPLICATIONS SHITTED TO THE COUNTY ARE ADJACENT TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE AND TWO OF THEM ARE ADJACENT TO 13 UNITS PER ACHIER.
>> SO IT'S ONLY DENSITY, NOT INTENSITY?
>> THERE -- THERE IS AN INTENSITY COMPONENT OF IT.
IT IS VERY LIMITED IN SCOPE. IT'S ONLY FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADD JAYS SENT TO INTERSTATES AND THAT QUALIFY UNDER THE INTERSTATE PROVISION. THAT ALLOWS THE INTENSITY OF THS CASE, IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS GOING TO BE A MIXED ICE DISTRICT SO THEY ESSENTIALLY GET TO RECEIVE THE INTENSITY OF A MIXED USE
DISTRICT. >> AND DO COMMERCIAL.
>> COMMERCIAL AND OR RESIDENTIAL.
>> OKAY. SO IF IT'S AN ENCLAVE THAT'S JUST CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL OR OPEN ROOMER, WHATEVER'S AROUND, IT NOT OPEN RURAL, I GUESS IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT COMMERCIALLY EXCEPT FOR WITHIN WHATEVER'S ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT.
>> THE PROVISION IS PREDOMINANTLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND SO EVERYTHING THAT I DESCRIBE IS ESSENTIALLY THE DENSITY ONLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THERE'S A QUALIFICATION FOR INTERSTATES THAT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE -- IF YOU MEET THE INTERSTATE PROVISION, YOU GET BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
>> OKAY. HOW MANY ACRES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THESE 6
THAT HAVE APPLIED? >> THE LARGEST PROPERTY IS ABOUT 4,000 ACRES, AND THE OTHER ONES ARE -- APPROXIMATELY 500 ACRES EACH, PLUS OR MINUS A FEW HUNDRED ACRES.
>> AND ISN'T THERE A MINIMUM ACREAGE SIZE?
>> THERE'S SEVERAL STANDARDS FOR ACREAGE SIZE.
4400 OR SO IS THE BIG ONE. THAT'S RIGHT AT THE TOP CAP, AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER PROVISIONS, BUT CURRENTLY ALL THE APPLICATIONS FALL WITHIN THE REQUIRED STANDARDS.
>> WOW, OKAY. IT'S INTERESTING, THANK YOU.
>> MR. LABINOWSKI? >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT UNITS PER ACRE. IS THAT PER BUILDABLE ACRES OR THE TOTAL PACKAGE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S 4400 ACRES, A LOT OF THAT'S MARSCH.
SO IS IT BUILDABLE OR THE TOTAL. >> YES, SIR.
ST. JOHN'S COUNTY MEASURES DENSITY WITH WHAT WE CALL-NET ACRES, AND SO THAT DOES SUBTRACT OUT WETLANDS.
>> OKAY. >> SO WE DON'T APPLY DENSITY, WE DON'T APPLY DENSITY TO WETLANDS. HOWEVER, THE NEW 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HAVE OPTIONAL DENSITY BONUSES TO PRESERVATION OF WETLANDS. THAT DOESN'T -- THAT'S NOT HOW THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE NECESSARILY DEVELOPED, SO IT DOES GET A LITTLE NUANCED AS FAR AS HOW MUCH, BUT BROADLY SPEAKING, I WOULD CALL IT NET. AND SO THAT IS THE OPTIMUM
ACRES. >> 686, EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE, QUESTION THAT ONE. ALSO, EXEMPT AREAS OF CRITICAL STATE CONCERN? WHERE?
>> THERE ARE ONLY A FEW. >> YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE -- I DON'T HAVE A MAP OF THAT, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL EXEMPTIONS, IT'S NOT JUST THAT AS PART OF THIS BILL,
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WHICH WAS ALREADY PART ESSENTIALLY OF THE AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE STATE STATUTE THAT EXISTED.SO THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS, SO NOT EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE FOR IT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EVER GLADES, I BELIEVE IS A CALL OUT IN THERE. SO THERE ARE SOME -- SOME EXEMPTION THAT IS EXIST AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS ULTIMATELY FOR ANYBODY WHO SUBMITS FOR IT.
>> AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GREATER POPULATION OF 1.75 MILLION.
THAT LEAVES OUT TWO COUNTIES, BROWARD AND ONE OTHER?
>> YEAH, THEY ARE FAIRLY BUILT OUT AS IT IS.
I FOLLOW-UP TO THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED.
WHAT ABOUT DOES THIS JUST PATH FORWARD FOR ANY OF THESE THAT MIGHT BE FULLY CERTIFIED AND THING, WHAT IS THE OBLIGATION OF THE COUNTY TO ADJUST REPRIORITIZE ITS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR STREETS, ROADS, ALL OF THAT, IN ORDER TO SERVE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY UNANTICIPATED GOING INTO DEVELOPMENT AS QUICKLY AS THIS MIGHT GO INTO DEVELOPMENT?
>> SURE. SO ONE PROVISION OF THIS LAW IS THAT IT EFFECTIVELY PUTS THE APPLICANT IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY -- THEY ARE REQUIRED TO AGREE TO ENTERING INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR PROJECT. AND SO YOU WILL UNDOUBTEDLY IF -- IF ANY OF THESE ARE APPROVED BY THE BOVAIRD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, YOU WILL CERTAINLY SEE THAT THESE APPLICANTS ARE -- HAVE TO COME TO THE TABLE AND MAKE AN AGREEMENT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION, UTILITIES, PARKS AND RECREATION, REALLY ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF THAT WOULD BE PART OF A DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THEY WILL -- THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THEIR SHARE AND WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AS TO WHAT IS -- WHAT IS FAIR FOR, FAIR AND TYPICAL 4 BY
100-METER RELAY PACT. >> OKAY.
WELL, HOW WOULD THAT -- I MEAN, MAYBE I'M BOROUGHING IN TOO MUCH, BUT REPRIORITIZING IN ORDER TO SERVE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT GO INTO DEVELOPMENT MORE QUICKLY THAN EVER ANTICIPATED COULD MEAN TAKING FUNDS FROM PROJECTS THAT ARE WAITING TO HAPPEN THAT LOCALS HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED ARE TOP PRIORITIES.
>> IT COULD, SIR. IT'S -- IT'S AN UNKNOWN.
KNOB'S EVER DONE THIS BEFORE SO IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AND THE COUNTY HAS TO WORK THROUGH AS THIS MOVES
I -- I'M SORRY. THAT'S THE END MY -- MY --
>> OKAY. IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER, I WANT TO THANK YOU, JACOB, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
>> CERTAINLY, YEAH, AND I WANT TO THANK THE THOUSAND FRIENDS EVERY FLORIDA. THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING TOGETHER ALL SORTS OF USEFUL INFORMATION FOR LAND USE, PLANNING, ZONING, ET CETERA. THIS IS THEIR PRESENTATION AND I JUST CHOPPED IT UP, AND IT HAS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD -- AGAIN, THERE'S WAS MUCH, MUCH LARGER AND IT CONTAINED ALL SORTS OF STUFF. BUT THIS IS A GOOD REFERENCE GUIDE TO KNOW WHAT'S COMING DOWN AND WHAT THE STATE -- WHAT THE STATE IS PUSHING. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE AGAIN IT IS MANY SLIDES, I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO HAVE YOU CALL ME AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT OFF LINE.
>> WE DID, WE GOT A PDF CENTRE. IT WAS -- JEN SENT IT OUT
IT WAS EMAILED TO YOU. >> YEAH.
>> WE'LL GET YOU ANOTHER COPY. >> OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORTS? I MEAN, AGENCY REPORTS, EXCUSE ME? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, I SAY WE ARE
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