[00:10:49] ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GAVEL BACK IN. [00:10:51] LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 16 AFTER. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT [*A portion of this meeting is without audio*] [Acceptance of Proclamation] [00:11:01] THE PROCLAMATIONS? >> SO MOVED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. THAT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS DONE. DELESIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> I HAVE NONE. >> WE HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NONE. [Approval of Consent Agenda] >> COMMISSIONER ANDREWS? >> NONE. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SO MOVED. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. PUBLIC COMMENT. LET'S HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE FOR COMMENT. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda ] THAT'S UNANIMOUS. ADDITIONS OR DEDELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA? COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I HAVE NONE. >> YOU HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NONE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS IS FOR MS. ANDREWS AND MR. KOMANDO. TWO WEEKS AGO, WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD HEAR THE MILLAGE INCREASE FOR CONSERVATION DURING TODAY'S AGENDA. I NOTICE IT'S NOT ON THIS AGENDA. I'VE HEARD A RUMOR THAT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS PUTTING PRESSURE ON STAFF TO HAVE IT PULLED SO THAT HER RECORD OF DEFUNDING THE CONSERVATION FUND TO THE LAND PROGRAM WOULD NOT BE EXPOSED DURING THAT AGENDA ITEM. SO IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THE RUMOR THAT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY SO THAT HER RECORD FOR TRYING TO DEFUND THE LAND PROGRAM WOULD NOT BE EXPOSED MR. KOMANDO? >> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. THERE WERE STILL SOME MECHANICAL THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE WORKED ON BEHIND THE SCENES. WE WERE WORKING ON THEM AS LATE AS YESTERDAY. >> MS. ANDREWS, IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THE RUMOR THAT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS PUTTING PRESSURE ON YOUR STAFF SO HER RECORD WOULD NOT BE EXPOSEED? >> NO. THERE'S NO TRUTH TO THAT. THE REASON FOR THE DELAY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE COUNCIL AND WE HAVE TO STRAIN THAT OUT BEFORE WE CAN PRESENT IT. >> ALL RIGHT. GLAD TO HEAR THAT'S NOT TRUE. THANK YOU. WE STILL HAVE A MEETING GO THROUGH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> I HAVE NONE. >> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOMETHING. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, SO WE DO HAVE DELETION. THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THAT APPLICATION SO WE REQUEST IT BE DELETED FROM THE AGENDA. >> OKAY. WE WILL DELETE AGENDA ITEM 2 FROM THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO, AND LET ME GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU. I'D LIKE TO ADD IN ITS PLACE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR ENCLAVE AND RESPONSE TO THE 686. I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. IS THAT APPROPRIATE? >> YES, SIR. YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON ANYTHING AT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSIONER. >> OKAY. CAN I GET CONSENSUS TO PUT IT OUT TO MAKE IT AGENDA ITEM 2 OR DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I'LL GIVE CONSENSUS. I ALSO DID COME PREPARED FOR THAT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA. >> OKAY. I HAD A DISCUSSION OF 686 AS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. [Approval of Regular Agenda] AND I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [Public Comment ] THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL GO STRAIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT THEN. >> OKAY. AT THIS TIME -- OKAY. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON [00:15:01] MATTERS THAT ARE NOT SCHEDULED FOR ACTION ON TODAY'S AGENDA. WHEN ADDRESSING THE BOARD PLEASE COME TO ONE OF THE THREE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WE ASK THAT YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. SPEAKERS MAY NOT DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD, AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHALL NOT DO ANY DISRUPTION TO THE BOARD. FINALLY, ANY SPEAKER THAT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MATERIAL, PLEASE UTILIZE THIS PODIUM. A LAPTOP WILL BE SET UP FOR ANY USB PRESENTATIONS. AFTER PRESENTING, PLEASE PROVIDE THE MATERIALS TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. WHO'S GOING FIRST? >> ARE YOU GONNA LET HIM? >> NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M STANDING HERE TODAY AS PRIMARY COMPLAINANT IN A 2024 VOTER FRAUD INVESTIGATION. WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE TRADITIONAL WARNING. PRIDE GOES BEFORE DESTRUCTION AND A HIGH SPIRIT BEFORE A FALL. TODAY THIS COMMUNITY IS WITNESSING A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF THAT WARNING. MR. CHAIR, TWO SEATED MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION HAVE BEEN CRIMINALLY CHARGED IN AN ELECTION FRAUD SCHEME DESIGNED TO DECEIVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VOTERS. MAJORITY OF THIS BENCH VOTED NO CONFIDENCE AND ASKED FOR THEIR SUSPENSION YET THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE SITTING HERE TODAY, UNLIKE TWO WEEKS AGO, REFUSING TO RESIGN. THE REASON, PRIDE. IT IS AN ARROGANT PRIDE THAT CONVINCES AN OFFICIAL THEY ARE ABOVE THE RULES AND ABOVE ACCOUNTABILITY. BUT THE TRUE TRAGEDY OF THIS HUBRIX IS THE SYSTEMIC DESTRUCTION OF FAITH IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. >> AMEN. >> EVERY SINGLE DAY THESE INDIVIDUALS SIT HERE, PUBLIC TRUST BLEEDS AWAY. THE CITIZENS THE INDIVIDUALS FACING ELECTION FRAUD CHARGES CONTINUED TO VOTE ON COUNTY BUSINESS, THEY LOSE FAITH IN THE FAIRNESS OF OUR LIVES AND THE INTEGRITY OF THIS CHAMBER. PRIDE IS ACTIVELY DESTROYING THE BOND BETWEEN THIS GOVERNMENT AND ITS PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE YOU SERVE. TRUE LEADERSHIP REQUIRES HUMILITY, MR. CHAIR. IT REQUIRES KNOWING WHEN ONE'S PRESENCE HARMS THE COMMUNITY. I URGE THIS BOARD TO CONTINUE DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY AND I CALL ON THE INDIVIDUALS TO PUT THEIR PRIDE ASIDE AND CONSIDER THE DEVASTATING IMPACT ON PUBLIC TRUST AND RESIGN IMMEDIATELY TODAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. FOLK, LET'S JUST GO BACK. I APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM, BUT REMEMBER. IF YOU DISRUPT THE NEXT SPEAKER, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. LET'S KEEP OUR COMMENTS QUICK. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. CHARLIE HUNT MILLCREEK ESTATES. CAN I GET SOMETHING UP ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE? OKAY. OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF TECHNICAL ISSUES TODAY. >> WE'RE GETTING YOU SOME HELP. >> CAN WE JUST MOVE TO THE -- >> MOVE TO THE NEXT WHILE WE FIGURE THIS OUT? >> GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. OKAY. THERE'S ONE THING I UNDERSTAND. THEY WERE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. THAT MEANS THEY CONSPIRED. WHERE IS THE SUNSHINE LAW? WHERE IS THE FBI? OKAY? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE [00:20:02] DEEPER STUFF GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED. EVEN WITH PAST COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED. THIS IS WRONG. WHERE IS THE VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE ACT? YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE IN TV LAND, YOU NEED TO COME BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS ROOM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT. GOD BLESS YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DR. OBROSKI, 109 KINGS CORAL LANE. IT'S AMAZING THAT IT TOOK TWO YEARS FOR AN INVESTIGATION TO FIND OUT THE FACTS BEHIND THE SUSPICIOUS MAILER FOR THE PAST ELECTION. THINK ABOUT THIS. I BELIEVE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM BELIEVED THE LOCAL ELECTIONS SHOULD BE DECIDE AND FUNDED BY LOCAL RESIDENTS AND OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ELECTIONS NEED TO BE RUN BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED AS LOCAL RESIDENTS. SO FAR THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR MAILERS SENT OUT TO SUPPORT CANDIDATES IN THE UPCOMING PRIMARY. WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT ONE OF THE CANDIDATES KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT. THIS CANDIDATE STATED IN A PUBLIC FORUM THAT HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FLYERS AND WHO FUNDED THEM. WITH THAT STATEMENT AT A SEPARATE FOLLOW-UP FORUM THAT I ATTENDED, I ASKED THE CANDIDATE IF HE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FLYERS THAT WERE SENT OUT AND PAID FOR BY THE STATE RPF ON HIS BEHALF. HE TOLD ME THAT HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH A STATEMENT HE MADE AT ANOTHER FORUM. THEN WHO MADE THE DECISION TO SEND THESE FLYERS OUT ON HIS BEHALF? WHO IS REPORTING THE CAMPAIGN EXPENSE? I ASKED HIM IF ANYONE ON HIS CAMPAIGN TEAM KNEW ABOUT IT? HE SAID NO ONE HE KNEW, AND EVERYONE WAS CLUELESS ON WHO SENT THE FLYER OUT. I RECEIVED THREE OF HIS FLYERS THAT INDICATED THAT THE STATE RPR PAID FOR THEM. THERE WAS ALSO A FLYER FOR ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, ANOTHER DISTRICT. THE MAILERS WERE NOT SENT FROM TALLAHASSEE. THEY WERE MAILED FROM SARASOTA AND MIAMI, FLORIDA. WHO IS SO CONCERNED IN MIAMI AND SARASOTA ABOUT THE ELECTIONS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY? SO NOW WE HAVE A GHOST IN THE CAMPAIGN SOMEWHERE. SOMEONE WHO HAS ACCESS TO DEVELOP THE COMPOSITION OF THE FLYER AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA TO PRODUCE THE FLYER. COST OF MAILERS HAS TO BE REPORTED ON ANYONE'S CAMPAIGN. BUT IT'S NOT BEEN REPORTED ANYWHERE. IT'S NOT BEEN REPORTED ANYWHERE. U.S. POSTAL SERVICE GAVE ME THIS DATA ON WHAT THE MAILERS COULD HAVE COST. IF IT WAS MAILED TO EACH OF THE VOTERS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, THE NUMBER TOTAL OF FOUR MAILER, $234,472. MAILERS ONLY WENT TO REPUBLICANS THE COST WAS $134,409 FOR FOUR MAILERS. WHO IS PAYING FOR THE MAILING AND WHERE IS IT REPORTED? I COULD LOCATE NO REPORTING OF THIS EXPENSE ANYWHERE. OKAY? I ASKED THE POSTAL SERVICE FOR MORE INFORMATION, BUT THEY SAID I HAD TO FILE A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT TO GET MORE INFORMATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. HAVE A GREAT DAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> I HOPE IT WILL NOT TAKE ANOTHER TWO YEARS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. >> ARE YOU READY? >> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. JOE MCANARA, 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 THE ENCLAVES. WILL PUBLIC COMMENT BE TAKEN DURING THAT ITEM? >> OF COURSE. >> OKAY. THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ARE YOU OKAY? >> YES, I AM. >> OKAY. >> HERE WE GO. CHARLIE HUNT, MILLCREEK ESTATES. # >> COMMISSIONER WHIT HURST? >> I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THINGS ARE BEING SAID WITHOUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE MOTION WAS ABOUT. WE HAD A COMMISSIONER WHO NOT ONLY VIOLATED BOARD RULES, BUT MAY HAVE VIOLATED STATE STATUTE. SO THERE'S NO CENSURE. I VOTED AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. I'VE NEVER BEEN CENSURED. THAT IS NOT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OR SOMEBODY DISAGREEING ON AN AGENDA ITEM. I THINK THE MOTION WAS ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT A LAW POSSIBLY [00:25:04] BEING VIOLATED. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COMMISSIONERS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT DOES NOT JIVE WITH THE MOTION THAT YOU MADE. PEOPLE WHO PERPETUALLY VIOLATE THE RULES. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEVER SEE CONSEQUENCES. WHAT COUNTRY ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN? IT'S NOT PLACE THAT I WANT TO LIVE. THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU BREAK LAWS. NO ONE OF US IS IMMUNE FROM THAT. IF YOU ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE, YOU ONLY INVITE MORE BAD BEHAVIOR. SO EVERYBODY IN THE AUDITORIUM UNDERSTANDS IF YOU SPEED AND YOU GET PULLED OVER BY SHERIFF DEPUTY, THAT'S A TICKET THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY. THERE ARE RULES IN EVERY AREA OF OUR LIVES, AND THIS BOARD IS NO DIFFERENT. THERE ARE BOARD RULES THAT MUST BE ADHERED TO. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> I THINK YOU MADE IT VERY CLEAR, THIS ISN'T ABOUT PERSONALITIES OR DISAGREEMENT OR EVEN POLITICS. THIS IS ABOUT THE LAW. THAT'S THE CONCERN. NO MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE AISLE YOU FALL ON, AT A VERY BASIC LEVEL, WE ARE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE TO UP HOLD THE LAW. AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION, A MORAL OBLIGATION, AN ETHICAL OBLIGATION THAT IF WE BELIEVE SOMEBODY, EVEN IF IT'S ONE OF US NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW, WE HAVE TO STAND UP AND PUT OUR CONSTITUENTS ELECTED US TO DO. AND SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. >> YES. RESIGNATIONS, PLEASE. RESIGN, PLEASE. FOR THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE WHO PUT YOU IN THESE SEATS. KRISTA JOSEPH, MARTIN AND KEVIN ALLEY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THERE YOU GO. THAT WAS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM? I THINK IT'S BACK OVER HERE TO YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. SASHA MARTIN 133 COASTAL HOLLOW CIRCLE. I CONCUR WITH OTHERS WHO HAVE SUGGESTED THAT ANNE MARIE BE CONSIDERED AS AN APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD IF THE VACANCY SHOULD OCCUR. ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHEN SHE RAN FOR COUNTY COMMISSION IN 2024 I SAW FIRSTHAND AND THROUGH PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH HER HOW RESPONSIVE SHE IS TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, AND FOR IDEAS SHE HAS HAD FOR MAKING THIS COUNTY A BEST PLACE TO LIVE. I BELIEVE ANNE MARIE WOULD LISTEN TO RESIDENTS AND HAVE THE INITIATIVE TO FIND POSSIBLE POSITIVE LEGAL SOLUTIONS WITH HER LEGAL BACKGROUND. SHE HAS ATTENDED MANY COMMISSION MEETINGS TO WITNESS PROBLEMS AND ACTIONS TAKEN. I BELIEVE SHE IS NOT AFRAID OF CHALLENGES, AND THE TIME AND THE HARD WORK NECESSARY TO CONFRONT ISSUES FOR THE BEST OUTCOME. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT FEELS THE SAME WAY? >> THANK YOU. >> OVER HERE. >> GOOD MORNING. SHERYL FIELDS 360 SWEET BREYER BRANCH LANE ST. JOHN'S. I'M COMING TO THE BOARD FOR THE THIRD TIME ON A FOOD TRUCK I AM ATTEMPTING TO PUT ON PROPERTY I OWN AT KING STREET. I WANT IT ON RECORD THAT I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THE COUNTY HAS ASKED ME TO DO. I SUBMITTED A PREAPPLICATION TO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND MET WITH THEM AT WHICH TIME THEY TOLD ME ALL THE REASONS I COULD NOT PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT. BUT TOLD ME TO BE PATIENT BECAUSE CHANGES REGARDING FOOD TRUCKS MAY BE COMING SOON. I SPOKE AT PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO AT THE MAY MEETING. I HAD SOMEONE SPEAK ON MY BEHALF LAST MONTH AFTER THE FIRST READING OF THE PROPOSED FOOD TRUCK CHANGES. I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT NOTHING IN THE PROPOSED READING BENEFITTED MY PROJECT. I AM HERE THIS THIRD TIME ASKING THAT OUTDOOR MOBILE FOOD SALES ALONG WITH FOOD TRUCKS BE ADDED TO BOTH COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING AND THE WEST AUGUSTINE OVERLAY. I AM ALSO ASKING MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR A SITDOWN MEETING WITH APPROPRIATE CITY -- EXCUSE ME, COUNTY STAFF AND THE WEST AUGUSTINE CRA REGARDING MY [00:30:04] PROJECT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS JUSTIN MILLER 515 VERONA ROAD. REAL QUICK I WANT TO POINT OUT THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE CHARGED SHOULD IMMEDIATELY RESIGN. WITH THAT, YOU GUYS WERE NOT PRESENT THIS LAST MEETING. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE OUR CURRENT COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS PROVIDED THAT WE DON'T HAVE -- YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU'RE ABSENT AND AS LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM THAT THERE DOES NOT NEED TO BE A VOTE ON IF THEY CAN PROCEED AND VOTE REMOTELY. THIS GOES AGAINST -- LITTLE HARD TO SEE. THIS GOES AGAINST OUR, THE SUNSHINE LAW MADE 2005 EDITION WHICH IS A MANUAL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PUTS OUT SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT LAWS NEED TO BE FOLLOWED AND WHY. AND WITH THAT, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT IF A LOCAL BOARD IS SPECIFICALLY PRESENT PARTICIPATION OF ABSENT MEMBERS BY TELEPHONE CONFERENCE IS PERMISSIBLE WHEN IT IS DUE TO EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE ABSENCE OF A MEMBER DUE TO SCHEDULED CONFLICT. THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT QUORUM NEEDS TO THEN DETERMINE IF IT MEETS THOSE LEGAL SPECIFICATIONS. NOW, WE'VE HAD OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY SAY THAT FEW DIFFERENT REASONS WHY IT DOES NOT APPLY. ALSO, THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AGO. SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES IS A DETERMINATION THAT MUST BE MADE IN GOOD JUDGMENT OF THE BOARD. ALL RIGHT. NOW, WE'VE HAD OUR COUNTY ATTORNEYS SPECIFICALLY STATE IT DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE OF THIS RIGHT HERE WHICH WAS AN INFORMAL DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE. DECISION MEANS IT'S VERY LIMITED IN SCOPE. AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES, HE SAID IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A DETERMINATION. JUST REQUIRES THERE BE A QUORUM. IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS ON HERE THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOARD AND JUST CERTAIN THEY DO NEED TO MEET FOR A QUORUM. AND THEN SPECIFICALLY IT SAYS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO NECESSARILY MAKE THE DETERMINATION BECAUSE THERE ARE STATE STATUTES WHICH SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE STATE STATUTES FOR SCHOOL BOARDS. IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THEY DO NOT -- DOES NOT REQUIRE -- SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC CARVE OUT. HE'S USING THAT IN ORDER TO SAY THAT WE DO NOT REQUIRE DETERMINATION. WE HAD A RECENT BILL THAT WAS PUT. THIS IS THE BILL ANALYSIS THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, WITHIN IT, THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO IT COULD HAPPEN. THAT A QUORUM DOES NEED TO BE PRESENT. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. NANCY MURPHY CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M GRATEFUL TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS MORNING. I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE PROCLAMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED AND ALSO THE CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION FOR DREW AND ALLEN FOR THEIR COMPASSIONATE ACTIONS. THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF COMPASSION AND ACTION, AN AREA WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE UPON THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS GOING FORWARD. VERY CLEAR PATH TO DO THAT IS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WORKING TOWARD IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC AREA OR AREAS IN ORDER TO BECOME A COMPASSIONATE COUNTY. IN ORDER TO WORK WITH THE COMPASSIONATE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE WHICH HAS BEEN A COMPASSIONATE COMMUNITY FOR 13 YEARS NEXT MONTHED. IT WAS THE FIRST COMPASSIONATE COMMUNITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE 20TH IN THE WORLD. THERE ARE NOW OVER 600 COMPASSIONATE COMMUNITIES IN THE WORLD. I BELIEVE JOINING THOSE RANKS WE WILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON COUNTY AND ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS. I'LL READ AN EXCERPT FROM THE CHARTER FOR COMPASSION WHOSE WORK INSPIRES ME EVERY DAY TO BECOME A MORE COMPASSIONATE PERSON AND MORE WAYS WE CAN DIRECT IT AND BECOME MORE COMPASSIONATE. CALLING IS ALWAYS TO TREAT ALL OTHERS AS WE WISH TO BE TREATED OURSELVES. COMPASSION EMPOWERS US TO WORK TIRELESSLY TO ALLEVIATE THE [00:35:04] SUFFERING OF OUR FELLOW CREATURES. TO DETHRONE OURSELVES FROM THE CENTER OF OUR UNIVERSE AND TO PUT ANOTHER THERE. AND TO HONOR THE SANCTITY OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN, TREATING EVERYBODY, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WITH ABSOLUTE JUSTICE, EQUITY AND RESPECT. WE URGENTLY NEED TO MAKE COMPASSION A CLEAR, LUMINOUS AND DYNAMIC FORCE IN OUR POLARIZED WORLD. ROOTED IN A PRINCIPLE DETERMINATION TO TRANSCEND SELFISHNESS, COMPASSION CAN BREAK DOWN POLITICAL, DOIGMATIC RELIGIOUS BOUNDARIES. BORN OF OUR DEEP INTERDEPENDENCE, COMPASSION IS ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS AND TO A FULFILLED HUMANITY. IT IS A PATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT AND INDISPENSABLE TO THE CREATION OF A JUST ECONOMY AND A PEACEFUL GLOBAL COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I LIVE AT 1808 BRISTOL ROAD. I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF COMPASSIONATE SAINT AUGUSTINE FOR 13 YEARS. I'M ALSO HERE REPRESENTING CARE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY. WE HAVE AF LOT TO TALK TO YOU ALL. I'VE MET WITH ALL OF Y'ALL IRE INDIVIDUALLY OR IN A SMALL GROUP. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I KNOW YOU'RE INTELLIGENT. I KNOW THAT ALL OF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTY. ALL OF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTY. WHAT WORRIES ME IS JUDGMENT. WE HAVE A SCRIPTURE ALREADY QUOTED SO I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE MORE. JUDGE NOT THAT HE BE NOT JUDGED BECAUSE THE MEASURE THAT YOU JUDGE WITH IS THE MEASURE THAT YOU WILL BE JUDGED WITH. SO I'M SAYING TO YOU TODAY, IF YOU'RE ASKED TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT DONE TO YOU, DON'T DO IT. JUST DON'T. THAT'S OUR GOAL. AND THAT'S AT THE BASIC PREMISE OF EVERY FAITH THAT'S IN THE CHARTER FOR COMPASSION. TREAT OTHER PEOPLE LIKE YOU WANT TO BE TREATED, AND DON'T TREAT THEM LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE TREATED. THAT'S MY FIRST THING I HOPE TO SHARE WITH YOU. THE SECOND IS, DON'T PUT OUR COUNTY GRIEVANCES ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PLEASE. THE VITRIOL AND THE BITTERNESS IS NOT JUST EMBARRASSING, IT'S TOXIC. IT'S TOXIC TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO I HOPE WE'LL LEARN TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT, TALK MORE DIRECTLY TO EACH OTHER, TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND UNDERSTANDING. WE NEED A LOT MORE LISTENING, A LOT MORE UNDERSTANDING AND COMPASSION, AND A LOT LESS JUDGMENT OF EACH OTHER. THANK YU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT? GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M JOE RYAN 689 SPANISH DRIVE. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WHAT VOTER GUIDES ARE TO FRAME THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING WITH THE FAKE VOTER GUIDES. VOTER GUIDES HAVE TWO THINGS IN COMMON. ALL VOTER GUIDES. ONE IS THEY USUALLY HAVE MULTIPLE CANDIDATES. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF VOTER GUIDES. THE OTHER THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON HERE THEY TELL YOU WHO PAID FOR THIS VOTER GUIDE. THIS IS FROM THE ST. JOHN'S -- RIGHT HERE. THIS IS ONE DOWN HERE. ANOTHER ONE DOWN HERE. HERE'S ONE FROM THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REPUBLICAN CITY. ALL THESE VOTER GUIDES. THERE'S ONE VOTER GUIDE THAT'S NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHERS. TAT'S THIS ONE. THIS IS THE SAFE VOTER GUIDE. AS YOU NOTICE, IT ALMOST LOOKS IDENTICAL. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S NO CANDIDATES ON IT AND THE COLOR OF THE ELEPHANT IS REVERSED. THIS VOTER GUIDE YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHO SPONSORED IT. THIS ONE, INSTEAD OF THE NAME OF [00:40:08] WHO SENT IT, JUST SAYS BRING THIS TO YOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. AND PEOPLE DID BRING THIS. I WAS CAMPAIGNING. PEOPLE BROUGHT THIS TO THE POLLING PLACES. VOTING ON THE VOTER GUIDE. THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISCLOSE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM IS VOTER LAW. FLORIDA STATUTE. IT SAYS RIGHT HERE POLITICAL PAID ADVERTISEMENT, BLAH, BLAH, NAME THE CANDIDATE, WRITE IN COUNTIES. IT HAD TO HAVE THOSE THINGS IN ORDER TO NOT VIOLATE THE LAW. NOW THE THING ABOUT THIS VOTER GUIDE AS COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHERS, THIS ONE FITS IN AN ENVELOPE WHICH MEANS IT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE POST OFFICE WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO THROUGH IT. THIS WAS STOPPED BY SOME PEOPLE WHO KNEW THAT THIS DID NOT COMPLY TO THE LAW, SO THERE CAN BE NO PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE FOR ANYONE WHO PUT ONE OF THESE IN AN ENVELOPE TO SEND OUT TO VOTERS. THEY KNEW THEY WERE VIOLATING THE LAW WHEN THEY DID IT. AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID IT ANYWAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MICHAEL RODGERS. I LIVE ATE 308 SECRET HOLLOWWAY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. I WAS ENCOURAGED BY ANNE MARIE TO ATTEND SOME OF THEM BACK WHEN SHE WAS RUNNING. THIS HAS WEIGHED HEAVILY ON ME. I JUST GOT BACK FROM VACATION AND GOT UP EARLY TO BE HERE FOR THIS. I SPENT SIX YEARS IN THE MILITARY AND I WAS HOPB RAABLY DISCHARGED AND ALMOST 30 YEARS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH A GOOD CLEAN RETIREMENT. HONOR, TO ME, IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TRAITS THAT ANYONE SHOULD HAVE. MY NAME MEANS MORE THAN ANYTHING TO ME. I LOVE MY FAMILY, MY CHILDREN, MY COUNTRY, MY GOD. BUT MY NAME MEANS A LOT. HONOR IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ON THIS BOARD RIGHT NOW. I ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I WOULD FEEL IF I WAS IN SOME OF THE SITUATIONS THAT SOME OF YOU ARE IN. AND I THINK THE EASIEST THING THAT I CAN SAY IS, I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED FOR MY FAMILY. I'D BE EMBARRASSED FOR MY CONSTITUENTS. I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED ESPECIALLY FOR MY CHILDREN. AND I WOULD BE FEELING LIKE MY NAME WAS TARNISHED. CONSIDER RESIGNING. WILL - I KNOW TODAY WAS WEAR YOUR RED. I DON'T ALWAYS DO WHAT I'M TOLD. I DID NOTICE ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN QUESTION DID WEAR RED. AND YOU'RE NOT IN MY DISTRICT. YOU ARE. BUT I CONSIDER MY COMMISSIONER TO BE ANNE MARIE EVANS. AND SHE HAD IT STOLEN FROM HER. IN MY OPINION, SHE HAS HAD THAT OFFICE HELD HOSTAGE. YOU HAVE VOTED FOR DEVELOPMENT NONSTOP. YOU MIGHT HAVE THROWN OFF A COUPLE OF SMALL THINGS JUST SO YOU COULD SAY YOU VOTED AGAINST THEM. BUT IN MY OPINION, HAVE SOME HONOR. DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU'RE NOT REPRESENTING YOUR PEOPLE WHEN YOU STOLE THIS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, Y'ALL. MY NAME IS BILLY HENNESSY, 5461FOAL STREET. WIND SWEPT ACRES SUBDIVISION. I WANTED TO, COURSE, BRING UP THE FACT THAT THE BOAT RAMP THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO SEND EVERYBODY DOWN TO, THAT WE HAD Y'ALL DESIGN BUDDY. I'M NOT GONNA SAY HIS NAME. HE HAS A SLEW OF LAWYERS TRYING TO SUE ME. HE DID THE DESIGN AND THE FIRST NUMBER OF THAT DESIGN SHOWED THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD. NOW, Y'ALL ARE GONNA MAKE THIS FANCY BOAT RAMP OVER THERE BUTLER WEST. AND THE ROAD'S 15 FEET WIDE. THE MOST DANGEROUS PART OF THE ROAD YOU COULD GO DOWN WHERE YOU GO OFF THE SIDE INTO ABOUT TEN FEET OF WATER. I HEARD IT COST US ABOUT 100 GRAND FOR THIS DESIGN. LUCKILY IT GOT SHOT DOWN. NEIGHBORS LOOKED IT OVER AND IT GOT SHOT DOWN. BEFORE SOMEBODY GOT KILLED, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THEY'RE GONNA ROLL OVER THAT SIDE AND GO IN THAT WATER AND THEY'RE GONNA DROWN. AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T PUT A SIGN WARNING THAT THE ROAD NARROWS. YOU TOOK THE TIME TO SHARK COAT THE BATHROOM. THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE'LL GET OFF BUTLER WEST. I GO DOWN THERE TWICE A DAY, WALK MY DOG. ANY TIME Y'ALL WANT TO MEET ME DOWN THERE, I'LL DISCUSS WHAT WE CAN FIX, LIKE SIGNS ABOUT [00:45:05] TRAILER PARKING ONLY. THEN WE GO TO PALMETTO ROAD. I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE PALMETTO ROAD PARROT HEADS. WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT THOSE TWO PEOPLE AT THE END OF THAT ROAD TOOTH AND NAIL. THEY DO NOT OWN THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD. THAT IS THE RIGHT OF THE BOATERS. IT'S NOT A PLACE TO GO LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATE AND THEN COME OUT THERE AND GIVE YOU A HARD TIME. NOW, I WENT DOWN THERE WITH CHANNEL 4 NEWS PEOPLE AND MET WITH THE OLD MAN ON THE SOUTH SIDE. HE MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST LITTLE LIAR I HAVE EVER SEEN. AND WE CAUGHT HIM LYING. CAUGHT HIM LYING -- WELL, CAUGHT HIM LYING LIKE A RUG. WHY ARE YOU ALL KISSING THESE PEOPLE'S ASS? I WANT TO KNOW WHY. IS IT 'CAUSE THEY DONATE MONEY FOR YOUR RE-ELECTION? IT'S YOUR DISTRICT, YOUR DISTRICT. STILL NOTHING GETS DONE. Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE A WAR ON YOUR HANDS. THAT ROAD THAT YOU'RE SENDING PEOPLE DOWN, THAT IS RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT. THAT'S WHAT A LAWYER WILL DO WHEN THEY RUN OFF THAT ROAD. HE'LL GET YOUR BUTT SUED. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DEBORAH CAMPBELL. I'M A RESIDENT AND TACK PAYER OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I AM HERE TO HAND OVER A PETITION WITH OVER 200 SIGNATURES FROM OUR NEIGHBORS. WE COLLECTED THESE IN A FEW DAYS. WE ARE ASKING THE BOARD TO HALT MASS SURVEILLANCE IN OUR COUNTY. TRUE SAFETY AND FREEDOM GO HAND IN HAND. PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY BUT A MAJOR LINE IS CROSSED WHEN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT RUNS MASSIVE TRACKING NETWORK ON PUBLIC ROADS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OVER 160 ACTIVE LICENSE PLATE READERS AND FACIAL RECOGNITION TOOLS MONITORING OUR DAILY LIVES. DAY IN AND DAY OUT THIS CORPORATE OWNED NETWORK LOGS THE MOVEMENTS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FAMILIES. THIS HAPPENS WITHOUT A WARRANT, WITHOUT CAUSE AND WITHOUT CONSENT. WHEN A SYSTEM TRACKS INNOCENT PEOPLE, 99% OF THE TIME JUST TO CATCH A TINY FRACTION OF WRONGDOERS, IT FLIPS THE AMERICAN JUSTICE UPSIDE DOWN. IT TREATS EVERYDAY CITIZENS RUNNING ERRANDS, GOING TO CHURCH OR DRIVING HOME AS FUTURE SUSPECTS. WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? IF TRACKING OUR COMMUTES AND MOVEMENT ON PUBLIC ROAD DOESN'T VIOLATED OUR 4TH AMENDMENT RIGHT TODAY, WHEN DOES IT? AT WHAT POINT DO WE STOP TREATING GOOD CITIZENS LIKES CRIMINALS? ON BEHALF OF OUR 200 PETITION SIGNERS, WE ASK THIS COMMISSION TO TAKE TWO ACTIONS. ONE, REMOVE THE 160+ ACTIVE SYSTEMS OPERATING ON PUBLIC OPERATE. TWO, PASS A LOCAL ORDINANCE REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND AN EXPLICIT VOTE BEFORE ANY MASS SURVEILLANCE TECH CAN EVER BE TESTED OR BOUGHT WITH PUBLIC FUNDS. THE SUPREME COURT IS CLEAR. DIGITAL TRACKING REQUIRES A WARRANT. CONTINUOUSLY APPROVING THESE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR WARRANTLESS -- THE SUPREME COURT MANDATES SUE TKEURBL WARRANTS AND PROTECTS OUR TAX PAYERS. YOU ALREADY HAVE THE COPY OF THE PETITION AND SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY EXPENDITURE AUDIT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS ADDRESSED OUT IN THE OPEN. OUR FREEDOM STANDS ON THE SACRIFICE OF HEROES. BUT THERE ARE NO GREATS FILLED BY THE NAME OF LUCK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS KAYLEE. I LIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THE GROWING USE OF FLOCKS AND SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN OUR COMMUNITIES. AT FIRST GLANCE THESE CAMERAS MAY SEEM LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN A CRIME FIGHTING MEASURE. ARE THEY REALLY THAT SIMPLE? WHILE PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT, WE MUST ASK OURSELVES A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. HOW MUCH OF OUR FREEDOM ARE WE WILLING TO SACRIFICE IN THE NAME OF SECURITY? THE 4TH AMENDMENT GUARANTEES OUR RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SURVEILLANCE. WHILE DRIVING ON PUBLIC ROADS IS VISIBLE TO OTHERS, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEENING SEEN BY A PASSER BY AND HAVING EVERY MOVEMENT RECORDED, STORED BY A VAST NETWORK OF CAMERAS. THIS CONCERN IS NOT NEARLY THEORETICAL. AT THE END OF MY ROAD APPROXIMATELY 1,000 FEET FROM MY DRIVE WAY THERE'S A CAMERA POSITIONED SO THAT EVERY TIME I LEAVE MY HOME OR RETURN TO IT, MY VEHICLE IS RECORDED AND MY MOVEMENTS ARE CAPTURED WITHOUT ANY OPPORTUNITY TO OPT OUT. I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO CONTROLS THIS CAMERA. WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE DATA? HOW LONG THAT INFORMATION IS [00:50:03] RETAINED? THESE CONCERNS BECOME EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANT IF THE CAMERA IS OWNED OR LEASED BY A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. NEITHER I NOR MY NEIGHBOR WHO IS CLOSEST TO THE CAMERA BELONG TO THAT HOA. IF A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION IS COLLECTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOVEMENTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS AND WHO HAVE NO VOICE IN ITS GOVERNANCE, THAT RAISES ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY, CONSENT AND OVERSIGHT. A FREE SOCIETY DEPENDS ON CITIZENS BEING ABLE TO SPEAK, ASSEMBLE AND WORSHIP WITHOUT SURVEILLANCE HANGING OVER THEIR HEADS. HISTORY TEACHES US AN IMPORTANT LESSON. GOVERNMENT POWERS OFTEN EXTEND BEYOND THEIR ORIGINAL PURPOSE. A SYSTEM CREATED TO CATCH CRIMINALS TODAY CAN BECOME A TOOL FOR MONITORING ORDINARY CITIZENS TOMORROW. ONCE SURVEILLANCE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ESTABLISHED, IT IS DIFFICULT TO LIMIT HOW IT IS USED OR WHO GAINS ACCESS TO IT. THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER CURRENT OFFICIALS CAN BE TR TRUSTED. THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER CURRENT OFFICIALS CAN BE TRUSTED. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE SHOULD CREATE SYSTEMS THAT COULD BE ABUSED BY FUTURE OFFICIALS. CRIME PREVENTION IS A WORTHY GOAL, BUT IT CANNOT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF LIBERTIES THAT DEFINE AMERICA. AS AMERICANS, WE MUST REJECT THE FALSE CHOICE BETWEEN SAFETY AND FREEDOM. WE CAN SUPPORT EFFECTIVE POLICING WHILE ALSO PROTECTING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. SECURITY IS IMPORTANT BUT LIBERTY IS ESSENTIAL. THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT AN OBSTACLE TO PUBLIC SAFETY. IT IS THE SAFEGUARD OF OUR FREEDOM. ANY TECHNOLOGY INCLUDING FLOCKS MUST BE JUDGED BY WHETHER IT RESPECTS THE RIGHT THAT GENERATIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE FOUGHT TO PRESERVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> SEAN CARPENTER 762 PLEASANT COLONY LANE. I'M ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS. I AM SPEAKING THE SENTIMENTS OF MY MEMBERS AND ALSO MY NEIGHBORS IN DISTRICT 2. PUBLIC OFFICE REQUIRES PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. ALLOWING THE TWO INVITED COMMISSIONERS TO CONTINUE EXERCISING AUTHORITY WHILE THESE CHARGES ARE PENDING UNDER MINES THAT CONFIDENCE THAT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. THE PUBLIC DESERVES LEADERS WHOSE ACTIONS ARE ABOVE SUSPICION. ESPECIALLY IN MATTERS INVOLVING ELECTIONS. THIS IS A BETRAYAL OF TRUST OF THE VOTERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE CALL FOR THE IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION OF BOTH COMMISSIONERS PENDING THE RESOLUTION OF THESE CHARGES. SUSPENSION IS NOT A DECLARATION OF GUILT BUT IT'S A NECESSARY STEP TO PROTECTING INTEGRITY OF A COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND RESTORE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> MORNING. MY NAME IS BRIAN SEYMOUR. I'M 192 MARTINIQUE CIRCLE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET THE -- CAMERA GOING. THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS A COUPLE OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE ME HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THESE ARE THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS. THESE PARTICULAR ONES ARE FROM FLOCK SAFETY SYSTEMS. TO THIS DATE I'VE COUNTED SOMETHING LIKE 14 WITHIN A MILE OF MY HOUSE. I CAN'T GO ANYWHERE. I LITERALLY CANNOT LEAVE MY HOUSE WITHOUT BEING TRACKED BY ONE OF THESE THINGS. THIS IS A MAP FROM DEFLOCK.ORG SHOWING THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 192 THAT HAVE BEEN -- THESE ARE JUST FLAGGED BY CITIZENS PEOPLE. THESE AREN'T OFFICIAL NUMBERS OR ANYTHING. SO THIS IS OUR COUNTY AND WHERE ALL THE CAMERAS ARE LOCATED. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW SURVEILED WE ARE. ACCORDING TO THAT SAME WEBSITE WE ARE ONE OF THE MOST HEAVILY SURVEILLED IN THE STATE AND COUNTRY, WITH OVER 100 CAMERAS PER 1,000 MILES OF ROAD. SEVEN CAMERAS PER 10,000 PEOPLE. SO WHY DO WE NEED ALL THESE CAMERAS? WHY DO WE NEED ANY OF THESE CAMERAS? THESE ARE TOUTED AS THIS GREAT NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT TECHNOLOGY. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME NUMBERS ON HOW MANY CRIMES HAVE BEEN SOLVED, HOW MANY MISSING PERSONS HAVE BEEN FOUND EXCLUSIVELY THROUGH THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS. THINGS THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SOLVED WITHOUT THE USE OF THE CAMERAS. THEY ARE PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF PREVENTING CRIME. WHAT THEY CAN DO IS POTENTIALLY DETER CRIME. BUT THEN WHY ARE THEY SO [00:55:05] INCONSPICUOUS? THEY LOOK LIKE A LIGHT POLE OR FLAG POLE. WHY NOT PAINT THEM BIG NEON ORANGE WITH BIG FLASHING SIGNS THAT SAY, YOU ARE BEING WATCHED CONSTANTLY, ALL THE TIME. DON'T COMMIT CRIMES. I'VE ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. I HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN ANY ANSWERS. MAYBE SHE DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWERS. I'VE SUBMITTED A SUNSHINE LAW REQUEST AND HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PAY $875 TO GET ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION I'M ASKING FOR. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BUILD SAFETY THROUGH MASS SURVEILLANCE. WE BUILD SAFETY THROUGH COMMUNITY. WE BUILD SAFETY THROUGH TRUST IN ONE ANOTHER AND LOOKING OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER, NOT HANDING OUR DATA OVER TO SOME BIG CORPORATE OVERLORD. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS KEITH DUVE. I LIVE AT 1474 TAMARAN PLACE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I'M ADDRESSING THE BOARD ON CHARGES OF VOTER FRAUD. THESE CHARGES STRIKE AT OUR HEART OF OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. WHILE OUR CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES EVERY PERSON THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE AND THE RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS, SERVING IN ELECTED OFFICE IS A PRIVILEGE THAT DEPENDS ON THE PUBLIC'S TRUST. YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE ON THIS BOARD UNDERMINES CONFIDENCE IN OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND CALLS INTO QUESTION THE INTEGRITY OF THE INSTITUTION YOU WERE ELECTED TO SERVE. EVERY VOTE YOU CAST AND EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE WILL BE VIEWED THROUGH THE LENSES OF THESE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS. THAT IS UNFAIR TO THIS BOARD, TO YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY TO, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. THIS IS NO LONGER JUST ABOUT YOUR LEGAL CASES. IT IS ABOUT PRESERVING THE CREDIBILITY OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THE PEOPLE DESERVE LEADERS WHO COMMIT TO PUBLIC SERVICE OUTWEIGHS OUR COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE OUTWEIGHS THEIR COMMITMENT TO HOLDING OFFICE. IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTIONS, THEN YOU SHOULD HOLD YOURSELF TO THE SAME STANDARD YOU EXPECT OF EVERYONE ELSE. DO THE HONORABLE THING. STEP DOWN FROM YOUR POSITIONS AND ALLOW THIS COUNTY TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THE CLOUD YOUR INDICTMENTS HAVE PLACED OVER THIS BOARD. RESIGNING IS NOT A DECLARATION OF GUILT. IT'S A RECOGNITION THAT NO ELECTED OFFICIAL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PUBLIC'S OPINION AND CONFIDENCE. THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY DESERVE BETTER. THEY DESERVE LEADERSHIP THEY CAN TRUST. AND TODAY I CALL ON CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS TO RESIGN. IF YOUR GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE IMPACT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, DELIBERATELY IS OFTEN MORE - PERSUASIVE THAN RAISING YOUR VOICE. I'M NOT DOING SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. TROY AND ADDIE STROUTER 6755 SABLE PALM DRIVE. SHE'S MY EMOTIONAL SUPPORT HUMAN. SHE'S HERE FOR THAT. WE JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE ALSO WANT TO JOIN WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WHO HAD VOTED NO CONFIDENCE IN THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CRIMINALLY CHARGED ON OUR BOARD. IT WAS SAID BY ONE OF THEM AT THE LAST MEETING KIND OF DISTURBED ME BECAUSE I'M A FOURTH GENERATION FLORIDIAN. I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF COMMISSION MEETINGS. I WORKED FOR A NONPROFIT FOR 20 YEARS SO I HAD TO GO IN FRONT OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS A LOT. SO I KNOW HOW IT WORKS. NUMBER ONE, I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYBODY BUT LOOK AROUND THE ROOM. MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE THIS COLORED HAIR. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORK. WE CAN ACTUALLY COME HERE. MY FRIENDS, MY FAMILY, PEOPLE I KNOW WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT THIS AND WANT THE SAME THING CAN'T BE HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING. MOST COMMISSIONER, AND I KNOW EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. I KNOW ALL OUR COMMISSIONERS KNOW WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS 1% OF THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE A DOG IN THAT HUNT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE RECEIVING WITH ALL THESE SPINS IN THE MAIL, NOT QUITE TELLING THE TRUTH, BUT [01:00:02] TELLING THIS. IT'S A SPIN. IT'S A SPIN TO SAY ONLY 13 PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY CARE ABOUT WHAT WE DID OR WHAT WE SAID OR ASKED FOR RESIGNATION. THERE'S A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN 13 PEOPLE ASKING FOR YOUR RESIGNATION. DO WHAT'S RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M IN AGREEMENT. YOU BOTH SHOULD RESIGN. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JERRY BUCHANAN 284 PINE BLUFF DRIVE, DISTRICT 2. SINCE OUR TWO CRIMINALLY CHARGED COMMISSIONERS REFUSE TO STEP DOWN, I'M ASKING THAT THEY BE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY DO NOT REPRESENT WE, THE PEOPLE, AND THEIR CONSTITUENTS HERE. YOU ALREADY HAVE A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. I WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU HAD ANY SCRUPLES WHATSOEVER THAT YOU WOULD HAVE REMOVED YOURSELF AND STEPPED DOWN. AND IF BY CHANCE ONE OF YOU DOES DO THE RIGHT THING, I ASK THAT YOU APPOINT ANNE MARIE EVANS, WHO WAS WRONGFULLY VOTED OUT WHERE SHE REALLY WAS VOTED IN IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE FRAUDULENT PARTS. AND BY ALLOWING TWO COMMISSIONERS TO PARTICIPATE AND VOTE, I SAY IT'S LIKE A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL OF US BECAUSE THEIR VOTE DOES NOT REPRESENT US HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ON ANOTHER NOTE, I'M ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE HIRE AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT THE SB6860. WE DEFINITELY NEED TO FIGHT AGAINST THAT BILL. OUR PEOPLE HERE NEED TO HAVE YOU BE IN CONTROL OF OUR DECISIONS HERE IN THE COUNTY. THIS BILL TAKES THAT AWAY. THE PEOPLE HIRED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING ON HAVE FAILED MISERABLY. SO IN ADDITION TO SPEAKING ABOUT AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR ATTORNEY, MR. KOMANDO, WHO KIND OF SHOW US THAT HE'S SOMEWHAT COMPROMISED BY ALLOWING THE TWO COMMISSIONERS TO CALL IN LAST WEEK WHEN THEY -- THAT IS AGAINST THE RULES. OKAY. I REMEMBER WHEN ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WAS SICK LAST YEAR. WE ALL TRIED TO GIVE HER A HARD TIME. AS THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME SAID, THE RULE MR. KOMANDO WAS REFERENCING WAS FOR A SCHOOL BOARD. IT'S NOT FOR THIS. THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO CALL IN. AND SO I'M JUST ASKING GOING FORWARD, IF WE CAN ALL JUST PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M JERRY PRICE. I LIVE AT 242 MICHAEL DRIVE. AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THE WHOLE BOARD HAD THE COURAGE TO SHOW UP TODAY SO I CAN LOOK YOU IN THE EYE. OKAY. I'M ONE OF THE 12 THAT WAS ABOUT BEING ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CALLED FOR YOUR RESIGNATION. BUT JUST LIKE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SAID, UNTIL JANUARY I WAS WORKING IN A PAPER MILL FOR THE LAST 32 YEARS 12, 16 HOURS A DAY. YOU MAKE THESE MEETINGS AT 9 A.M. ON PURPOSE SO IT TAKES AN EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO SHOW UP. BUT GUESS WHAT? I'M RETIRED NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S DESPICABLE TO ME THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO RESIGN. I'M ALSO VERY UPSET WITH GOVERNOR DESANTIS THAT, EVEN AFTER YOU'VE BEEN OFFICIALLY CHARGED, THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO REMOVE YOU, AND YOU. I AM GOING TO HOLD GOVERNOR DESANTIS, IN MY MIND, I'M GONNA HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE AND ANY FEATURE THING HE WANTS TO DO, I'LL REMEMBER THIS. NOW, SINCE I SPOKE LAST TIME, PEOPLE WANT TO RAKE YOU OVER THE COALS. I GOT A RED SHIRTED ON TODAY, BUT GUESS WHAT? I WORE A RED SHIRT LAST TIME. I'M NOT HERE REPRESENTING NOBODY BUT JERRY PRICE FROM 242 MICHAEL DRIVE. AND SO FOR ALL YOU SOCIAL WARRIOR MEDIA OUT THERE, YOU SOCIAL WARRIOR ATTACK, SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACK DOGS, YOU HEARD MY NAME. YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I DON'T NEED ANYBODY ELSE. I'M A FATHER AND GRANDFATHER. I DON'T LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY. I DON'T LIKE THAT THAT ELECTION WAS STOLEN LAST TIME. I DON'T LIKE THE MAKEUP OF THIS BOARD. IT WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE DIFFERENT IF THAT FAKE VOTER [01:05:02] GUIDE WENT OUT. IF IT WASN'T EFFECTIVE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE WENT TO THE TROUBLE DO IT. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO TOOK THAT GUIDE IN THAT BOOTH AND VOTED BY THAT GUIDE. AND SO IT CERTAINLY AFFECTED THAT ELECTION. ONE OF YOU MOST CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE SITTING ON THAT BOARD. YOU DON'T HAVE INTEGRITY. STEP DOWN. I HOPE GOVERNOR DESANTIS LISTENS TO THE 3/5 OF THIS BOARD THAT CENSURED YOU AND ASK HIM TO SUSPEND YOU. I THINK YOU OUGHT TO RESIGN. WHAT'S THE LATEST? THEY'RE SENDING ALL KINDS OF MAILERS OUT TO THE HOUSES. SUPPOSED TO BE FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I DIDN'T HEAR NO OFFICIAL ENDORSEMENT TO THEM? IS THAT SOMETHING AVAILABLE TO ALL YOU COMMISSIONERS AND CANDIDATES RUNNING? I DON'T THINK SO. WH WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT? WE PAID FOR THE OTHER GUIDE. WHO'S PAYING FOR YOUR HOT SHOT ATTORNEY IN JACKSONVILLE? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. I GOT MORE TO SAY ON SB 686. I'M A CONSERVATIVE. I'M AS CONSERVATIVE AS ANYBODY. I HATE THAT WE HAVE TAKEN 15, 20 MINUTES TO GET OUT OF MY DRIVE WAY. I HATE THE SCAM THAT'S RUNNING THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I GOT MORE TO SAY BUT LATER. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. CMFORT. I HATE PUBLIC SPEAKING. I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE OUT TWO YEARS AGO IN THE HEAT -- DAY AFTER DAY, WEEK AFTER WEEK AND SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU SAW THEM WORKING THE POLLS. I FEEL THAT WHAT WE DID -- WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET GOOD CANDIDATES IN, HONEST CAND CANDIDATES. THAT. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. HELLO. AND LIKE A GOOD NEIGHBOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS THERE. YOU ALL ARE GETTING SHIRTS. I AM JOHN J. NOONY, RESOLUTION 2230819. WATCH THAT ONE ON A REVOLVING LOOP. WHY AM I HERE? FIRST, IT'S FINE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT. IT PROVIDES MONEY FOR THE 12 COUNTIES ON THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA. NUMBER TWO IS THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. NORTHEAST FLORIDA COUNCIL THERE ARE TEN REGIONAL COUNCILSES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WHAT THESE VOTER REGIONAL COUNCIL, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND DUVAL COUNTY ARE REGIONAL PARTNERS. THIRD REASON I'M HERE. JACKSONVILLE SMALL EMERGING BUSINESSES IS PARTNERING WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THROUGH OED, OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS GREGORY GRANT, TODD RUBEN, PATRICK BERRY. THE FOURTH REASON I'M HERE IS FWC FISH AND WILD LIFE COMMISSION. 1999. IT'S THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IT'S TOURISM. FWC HAT IS A PLAY OFF FWC. YOU KNOW, THE HAT, THAT'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM KEN O MARO. HE IS ALSO THE FLORIDA REPRESENTATIVE. OKAY. ANYWAY, SO TODAY BEFORE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND PLAYING OFF THE FWC ACRONYM, WE ARE NOW [01:10:02] GOING TO BE EXPANDING IT TO THE FWS, FISHING WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE MARKETING TO THE WORLD. SO WHEN YOU VISIT THE FREE STATE OF FLORIDA WITH 67 COUNTIES, 67 COUNTIES FWC, FISHING WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WILL BE THE NUMBER ONE TOURIST DESTINATION. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M HERE TODAY AUGUST 4, 2026 TO INTRODUCE THE UNOFFICIAL OFFICIAL, COULD BE OFFICIAL, UNOFFICIAL THE FWS, GET PICTURES. WHEN YOU VISIT FLORIDA FORGET BARBIE. YOU'RE GONNA WANT THE FWS FISHING WITH SARA BOAT. BOAT RAMP B IS A HERO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS REBECCA. I'M 153 CLEARY RUN. I DID NOT PLAN TO SPEAK BUT I DECIDED TO SPEAK BECAUSE I VOLUNTEERED AT THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY. I WAS APPALLED TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING WITH FAKE VOTER GUIDES. I MADE IT MY MISSION TO TRY AND HELP PEOPLE GET THE RIGHT GUIDES INTO THEIR HANDS. IT WAS A LOSING BATTLE. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST DRIVING BY. SO I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND AGREE THAT I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A SUSPENSION BECAUSE THE TRUST IS LOST. IT JUST IS. I SAW THAT VOTER GUIDE AND IT WAS NOT REAL AND NOT COOL. THAT'S MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. JACKIE LEBLANC, ST. AUGUSTINE. I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE SUSPENSION OF THESE TWO COMMISSIONERS. MR. CHAIR, I HOPE YOU CAN SEE WHAT THIS IS DOING TO OUR COUNTY. ARE WE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS UNTIL THIS COMES TO A RESOLUTION WHILE THEY BUILD THEIR PENSIONS AND WHILE THEY CONTINUE THEIR BENEFITS THAT WE ARE -- IT'S LIKE A STAB. JUST DRIVES THE KNIFE DEEPER. THESE PEOPLE, AGREE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. ABSOLUTELY. BUT THOSE AFFIDAVITS, OH MY GOODNESS. AND I, TOO, WORKED IN THE GOP OFFICE. I SAW PEOPLE UPSET BEYOND CONSOLATION. CAN YOU CHANGE MY VOTE? DO YOU THINK I CAN? NO, SIR, NO, MA'AM, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN. I WOULD EXPRESS -- I WOULD EXPRESS CONCERN WITH THE SOE. WE KNEW THEY WERE FAKE. HOW IN THE WORLD, ACCORDING TO THAT DASTE, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR CHILDREN PARTICIPATING IN THINGS LIKE THIS? I'M TRYING NOT TO YELL, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTY. TO HAVE THESE TWO COMMISSIONERS SIT UP HERE AND STILL VOTE ON MATTERS ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS COUNTY IS SHAMEFUL. IT'S TEARING OUR COUNTY APART. IT'S TEARING IT APART. AGAIN, I BELIEVE IN INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, BUT ABSOLUTELY SUSPEND UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED. AND IF THEY END UP GUILTY, THEN AS OF THE SUSPENSION DATE SHOULD BE THE DATE THEIR BENEFITS AND THEIR PENSIONS END. IT'S JUST A STAB IN THE BACK FURTHER TO HAVE TO KEEP PAYING THESE PEOPLE. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M JOANNE HAGADORN, 1061 DURBIN PARK DRIVE. THE PROVEN FRAUDULENT REPUBLICAN VOTER GUIDES IN THE 2024 ELECTION WERE ILLEGAL, IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL, AND THEY CREATED CONFUSION FOR VOTERS. I HAD TO TAKE ALL OF MY MAILINGS DOWN TO THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE OFFICE TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS THE TRUTH. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD TAKE THAT TIME. THESE FRAUDULENT VOTER GUIDES SPOILED CITIZENS' VOTES IN WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION. THEY STOLE THE ELECTION FROM RIGHTLY ENDORSED CANDIDATES. THERE IS NO JUSTICE AS LONG AS INDICTED COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REMAIN ON THE BOARD. THEY NEED TO RESIGN OR BE REMOVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> CHAIRMAN MURPHY, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING. ARTICLE 4, CHAPTER 7 OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION GRANTS THE GOVERNOR THE AUTHORITY TO SUSPEND ANY ELECTED MUNICIPAL OFFICER INDICTED FOR A CRIME UNTIL ACQUITTED. OFFICE BY PINTMENT FOR THE PERIOD OF SUSPENSION. THIS PROVISION OF THE CONSTITUTION MAKES IT CLEAR THAT WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR A CONVICTION. [01:15:09] A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE AND LOCAL CITIZENS CLAM MORING FOR COMMISSIONERS WHITEHURST AND ARNOLD TO STEP DOWN AND BE REMOVED, IT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY IF THEY REMAIN ON THIS BOARD. IN FACT, ANY ACTION TAKEN BY THIS BOARD WITHIN VOTING TO REFLECT THE OUTCOME WOULD ARGUABLY BE OPEN TO CHALLENGE. TODAY I'M HERE TO REQUEST, THROUGH THE CHAIR, THAT COMMISSIONERS ARNOLD AND WHITEHURST STEP DOWN FROM THE BOARD AND GET OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY CAN GET ON WITH BUSINESS OF MANAGING OUR COUNTY. WE NEED A BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT IS TRULY ELECTED BY AND RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITIZENS. WE NEED A BOARD MADE UP OF COMMISSIONERS WHO MEET THE CITIZEN, WHO ACT RESPONSIBLY IN OUR BEST INTERESTS. WE DO NOT NEED COMMISSIONERS WHO CAMPAIGNS ARE PAID FOR BY DARK MONEY. WE DON'T NEED COMMISSIONERS WHO ARROGANTLY TALK DOWN TO US AS THOUGH THEY'RE BETTER THAN US. WE DO NOT NEED COMMISSIONERS WHO GO ALONG WITH UNCLEAR REPORTING PRACTICES WHILE ESPOUSING TRANSPARENTSY IN GOVERNMENT. USING THE LAW TO HARASS CITIZENS WHO DARE SPEAK UP. WE DO NOT NEED COMMISSIONERS LIKE ARNOLD AND WHITEHURST WHO WILL APPARENTLY CHEAT RATHER THAN RISK LOSING AN ELECTION. GIVEN THEIR PAST BEHAVIOR, I DOUBT THE COMMISSIONERS WHITEHURST AND ARNOLD WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND RESIGN. IF NECESSARY, I HOPE THE GOVERNOR DESANTIS WILL REMOVE THEM ACCORDING TO THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION AND APPOINT ANNE MARIE EVANS IN DISTRICT 1 SINCE SHE WOULD HAVE LIKELY WON THAT RACE IF IT WERE FAIRLY CONDUCTED. HOPEFULLY, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IS BEING SWAMPED WITH REQUESTS TO DO JUST THAT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. KEITH ACKLAND, ELTON, FLORIDA. FIRST I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR SERVING US, THE PEOPLE. YOU WERE PUT HERE BY US. DO THE RIGHT THING. USE YOUR OWN WORDS AS HEARD IN THIS ROOM TODAY AND STEP DOWN, PLEASE. MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING THESE WORDS. THEY ARE SAYING WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, WHAT YOU -- LET ME CORRECT THAT. WHAT YOU ARE ACCUSED OF DOING. WHAT YOU ARE CHARGED WITH AND YES, YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, AND THE LAW WILL BE HAVING A SAY. YOU WILL EITHER BE FOUND GUILTY OR NOT AT THAT TIME. BUT PEOPLE ARE CORRECT. YOU ARE HURTING NOT JUST YOURSELF, NOT JUST THIS BOARD. YOU'RE HARMING BOTH OUR COUNTY AND OUR STATE 'CAUSE THIS HAS NOW BECOME SOMETHING KNOWN ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD. DO YOU WANT THE YEARS THAT YOU HAVE SERVED HERE TO BE KNOWN AND END LIKE THAT? DO THE RIGHT THING. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE ALSO NOT CHARGED WITH A FEDERAL CRIME BECAUSE SINCE THESE WERE SENT THROUGH THE U.S. MAIL, THAT IS ALSO A CRIME. ON A SECOND NOTE, MULTIPLE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS. THAT THEY'RE BEING USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT TO TRACK DOWN CRIMINALS. LET'S LOOK AT SOME FACTS ABOUT THIS. CURRENTLY FLOCK HAS NO LIMITATIONS ON WHO CAN ACCESS THAT FROM ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. SO WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN THIS STATE, IN THIS COUNTY ON ANY OF OUR CAMERAS CAN BE VIEWED FROM ANYONE ANYWHERE IN OUR COUNTRY FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER. A SUBPOENA IS NOT REQUIRED. THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANY REASON TO LOOK AT IT, AND THEY CAN LOOK AT IT. IT HAS BEEN KNOWN MULTIPLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE BROKEN THE LAW BY USING THE DATA AGAINST GIRLFRIENDS, BOYFRIENDS, ASSOCIATES TO BLACKMAIL PEOPLE. FLOCK SAYS, OH, ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND YET IT IS KNOWN FLOCK'S OWN PERSONNEL ARE LOOKING AT THIS DATA TO FIND OUT WHERE KIDS ARE. [01:20:04] LOOKING AT GIRLS GYMNASTIC AREAS. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT OUR CAMERAS SUPPOSEDLY HELPING OUR SAFETY TO BE USED FOR? IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE CAMERA, LIMIT WHO HAS THE ACCESS TO IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> YES THE REPORTSS OF MY DEATH WERE EXAGGERATED. NEVER BEEN PROUDER TO LIVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HEARING THESE FOLKS TALK. YOU TWO NEED TO RESIGN. I HOPE SOMEBODY GETS THE B ROLL CAMERA AND PRODUCES IT IN THE FUTURE. JANUARY -- >> CAN YOU MOVE THE MIC OVER? >> HOW AM I DOING? HOW'S THIS? IF I TALK TOO FAST PLEASE TELL ME. GIVE ME A HIGH SIGN OR SOMETHING. I DIDN'T LEARN TO TALK UNTIL I WAS 3. JANUARY 10TH, 2023, I WROTE TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND COMMISSIONER ARNOLD A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOR WHEN THEY WERE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD. IT'S ON THE BLOG RIGHT NOW. TAKE A GANDER AT IT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE PAST ITS PRO-LOG. I SAID YOU'RE VIOLATING THE FIRST AMENDMENT WHEN YOU COERCE FIRST AMENDMENT PRABG TEUFRBTY. THEY DID WORSE THAN THAT. THEY HELPED STEAL AN ELECTION. DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY ONE OF THEIR -- TWO OF THEIR KIDS WERE INVOLVED IN STUFFING THESE? THAT'S NOT FAMILY VALUES. I'LL TELL YOU FAMILY VALUES FROM MY FAMILY SOME DAY. I WANT TO THANK THE ONLY TWO CITIZENS WHO CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD ON JULY 20TH OF 2021 WHEN THE THEN COMMISSIONERS VOTED TO PRIVATIZE BAY VIEW AND TURN BAY VIEW, WHICH WAS A LOVED, BELOVED, NONPROFIT HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WHICH PROVIDES WITH DISABILITIES AND PEOPLE WHO WERE INJURED. THAT'S WHY I'M THERE. FRACTURED MY SHOULDER. VOTED TO TURN IT OVER TO PRIVATE EQUITY. PRIVATE EQUITY, WHICH TOOK AWAY THE EMPLOYEES' SACRED VESTED RIGHT TO A 401K. THEY USED TO PAY HALF. USED TO PAY MATCHING FUNDS FOR THE 401K. NO LONGER. THEY USED TO HAVE REASONABLE PT. NOW THEY ACTUALLY TELL PEOPLE, YOU DON'T NEED IT. IT'S ALL DOCUMENTED IN LETTERS THA I HAVE SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. I HOPE MAYBE WE CAN SPREAD THE MINUTES OR MAYBE I CAN SHORTEN THEM. MY MAMA TOLD ME BETTER TO WRITE A SHORT LETTER THAN A LONG LETTER. I THINK I'VE SENT SOME LONG E-MAILS AT THE TIME. I INVITE ALL Y'ALL TO COME TO BAY VIEW AND SEE THE WORKING CONDITIONS, SEE THE PATIENTS SITTING IN POOP LEFT ALONE FOR HOURS. SEE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE CALLING OUT HELP AND NOT GETTING HELP. SEE THE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE DISRESPECTED. AND SEE AND HEAR THE NURSES AND THE NURSING ASSISTANTS AND OTHER STAFF THERE. THE COUNTY OWNS THE LAND THERE. WE OWN THE LAND. WE'RE THE LANDLORD. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A 60-YEAR LEASE. THAT WAS WRONG. WE NEED TO REMEDY THAT. WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. THE COUNTY NEEDS TO CANCEL THE LEASE AND GET A NONPROFIT IN THERE THAT'S WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL AGAIN. I RECOMMEND HIGHLY PLUNDER PRIVATE EQUITY'S PLAN TO PILLAGE AMERICA. CHAPTER 4 IS ABOUT NURSING HOMES. THANK YOU. >> COME ON UP. THERE SHOULD BE A SPOT FOR EVERYBODY. GREAT. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CLAIRE FRANK. I LIVE AT 213 MAHOGANY BAY DRIVE. I'VE BEEN HELPING PEOPLE LIKE ANN TAYLOR, CLAY, KIM, GET ELECTED FOR YEARS. I HAD TO GET UP AT 5 A.M. TO GET HERE AND I HAD TO GET A RIDE. SO I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS FOR ME TO SHOW UP. THAT'S WHAT MOST OF US NEED TO DO IS SHOW UP. WE NEED INTEGRITY. AND WHAT REALLY DISGUSTS ME IS THE DEMOCRATS STOLE OUR ELECTION IN 2020. ARE WE GONNA DO THIS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY? NO. WE CAN'T DO THIS. ALL WE HAVE IS ELECTION INTEGRITY. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. I'M AT THE POLLS EVERY DAY AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING ME, CLAIRE, WHO DO I VOTE FOR? I'M HELPING MAKE DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE. I HAD PEOPLE CONTACTING ME RIGHT NOW ASKING ME, WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY? I CAN'T COVER YOUR SINS. OKAY. I GOT ENOUGH OF MY OWN. I'VE GOT MY OWN HEALTH PROBLEMS NOW. I'M TRYING TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR THE COMING ELECTION. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE ELECTION INTEGRITY. I SUPPORTED ANN MARIE DURING THE ELECTION. I'M STILL SUPPORTING HER. [01:25:03] I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THE OTHER THING I NEED TO ASK, WHAT'S WITH THESE FLOCK CAMERAS, FOR HEAVENS SAKE? I DON'T EVEN DRIVE EVERY DAY. I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TRACKING WHAT I'M DOING. THAT'S A SCARY THING. I'M A WIDOW. I LIVE BY MYSELF. I DON'T NEED SOMEBODY TRACKING ME. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE DOING ESPECIALLY TO OUR SENIOR CITIZENS. SO PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I MEAN, IF IT'S HELPING SOLVE CRIME THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF IT'S JUST TRACKING US TO BE A BIG BROTHER, WE DON'T NEED THAT. ALL I'M ASKING IS Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT THING. THE ELECTION'S COMING UP. I'M HELPING WHERE I CAN BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE ELECTION INTEGRITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE TO OFFICIALLY ASK FOR YOUR RESIGNATIONS OR, AT VERY MINIMUM, SUSPENSION OR ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE. SOMETHING. THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR COUNTY, TO PEOPLE ALL OVER THE STATE. WE'RE A LAUGHINGSTOCK. IT'S EMBARRASSING. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. I'M GOING TO GIVE THE REST OF MY TIME TO ANN-MARIE. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN SHE CONCEDE HER TIME TO ME? >> YES. >> I WAS PROUD TO BE ENDORSED BY THE REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. AS YOU MAY REMEMBER COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, WE BOTH WENT BY VOTE OF MEMBERSHIP I WAS ENDORSED. MEMBERSHIP HAD CLEARLY AND DEFINITIVELY MADE THEIR CHOICE. IT WAS NOT A BOARD. THIS IS NOT A FEW PEOPLE. THIS WAS A VOTE BY MEMBERSHIP. YOU WERE THERE. SOMETIME AFTER THAT BEFORE THE PRIMARY, A SCHEME WAS ALLEGEDLY HATCHED. FRAUDULENT VOTER GUIDES WERE PRODUCED. ESTIMATES OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10,000 AND 30,000. ACCORDING TO A WITNESS, THEY WERE DELIVERED BY AN 18 WHEELER. WHAT ALLEGEDLY FOLLOWED WAS A SECRET ENVELOPE STUFFING OPERATION. IT WOULD APPEAR THE INTENT WAS TO MISLEAD, DECEIVE AND TRICK VOTERS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. GUESS WHAT? SECRET IS OUT. IT IS ALLEGED COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND ARNOLD, ALONG WITH HER FAMILY MEMBERS, PARTICIPATED IN THIS OPERATION. DOING A SPLENDID JOB BEING A COMMISSIONER AND REPRESENTING THEIR CONSTITUENTS SHOULD BE CONFIDENT IN BEING RE-ELECTED. WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION. WHO WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THIS DESPERATE, DISGUSTING OPERATION? CERTAINLY NOT ANYONE I WOULD EVER WANT REPRESENTING ME. I BELIEVE YOUR WIN, MR. WHITEHURST, WAS ONLY SECURED BY THE FRAUDULENT VOTER GUIDES. THESE GUIDES MISLED VOTERS INTO THINKING YOU WERE ENDORSED BY THE ST. JOHN'S REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WHEN YOU KNEW YOU WEREN'T. WE ALL KNOW. >> CAN YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO US IN GENERAL, PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> THESE ARE, I BELIEVE, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SOME COMMISSIONERS ASKED THE PUBLIC TO TRUST. WE PAY YOUR COMPENSATION. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A CERTAIN COMMISSIONER WON THE ELECTION. I DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE. SWORN AFFIDAVIT INDICATES SOME OF THOSE INVOLVED DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD WIN FAIR AND SQUARE WITHOUT LET'S SAY, SOME HELP. TO WIN BY THE METHODS DEPLOYED IN THE 2024 PRIMARY. IT'S LOSS OF ELECTION INTEGRITY. IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT AND GREAT DETRIMENT TO YOUR CITIZENS. ALL IT NEEDED FOR ME TO WIN WAS 423 VOTES. THAT'S IT. 10,000 TO 30,000 AND ONLY 423 VOTES HAD TO SHIFT. I KNOW WHO THE WINNER WAS AND IS, AND I KNOW WHO THE LOSER WAS AND IS. EVERYONE KNOWS. I, AS A ST. JOHN'S COUNTY CITIZEN, CALL FOR MR. WHITEHURST AND MS. ARNOLD TO RESIGN IMMEDIATELY. IF RESIGNATION IS REFUSED THEN IF IT IS WITHIN THE COMMISSIONER'S AUTHORITY, I ASK THAT A VOTE BE TAKEN TO RELIEVE MR. WHITEHURST AND MS. ARNOLD OF ALL THEIR BOARD AND COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. AT LEAST TO ME, IT SEEMS VERY INAPPROPRIATE FOR A COMMISSIONER TO SERVE ON THE JUVENILE JUSTICE COUNCIL AND JUVENILE JUSTICE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD WHEN HE, HIMSELF, IS ALLEGEDLY INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL OPERATION WHERE CHILDREN WERE PRESENT. LASTLY, ACTUALLY NOT LASTLY BECAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME. [01:30:02] I ASK THE BOARD TO REVISIT THE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH SJC -- >> WE DON'T HAVE EXTRA TIME. >> I THOUGHT SHE CONCEDED TIME. >> YOU CAN'T TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S TIME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. >> THAT'S OKAY. I WILL END WITH, IF YOU CAME HERE AND YOU WANT COMMISSIONERS TO RESIGN AND DO THE RIGHT THING, PLEASE COME UP AND TALK. ONE OF OUR COMMITTEES MEMBERS KEPT TRACK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ASKED HER TO RESIGN. THANK YOU. THIS IS OUR COUNTY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING CHRISTIAN AND SARAH. I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE I LOST RESPECT DISTRICT 2 A LONG TIME AGO. BUT DISTRICT 1 AFTER WHAT HE SAID EARLIER ABOUT ASKING THE QUESTION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED BEFORE THE MEETING. THAT DOESN'T MAKE A BIT OF SENSE. YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE ATTORNEY. YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED JOY EXACTLY WHAT THE RUMORS WERE, IF IT WERE TRUE. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE THAT YOU ASK THAT. OKAY. THAT IS THROWING STONES AT THE TIME OF ELECTION. THAT'S UNCALLED FOR. I LOST ALL RESPECT FOR YOU CHRISTIAN. THERE'S A SAYING IN THE MARINE CORPS. SEMPER FI. ALWAYS FAITHFUL. THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY SITTING ON THAT BOARD RIGHT NOW. YOU NEED TO BE FAITHFUL TO CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND NOT TRY TO MANIPULATE IT. IT'S TIME DISTRICT 1 AND DISTRICT 2 STEP ASIDE UNTIL EVERYTHING IS SETTLED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> HOORAH! >> GOOD MORNING. >> HELLO. I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING, BUT ANN-MARIE ASKED US TO TALK. THAT LAST ELECTION CYCLE I SUPPORTED SEVERAL CANDIDATES. I WAS SUPPORTING AND WORKING HARD FOR FOUR COMMISSIONER CANDIDATES. THREE OF YOU SITTING UP HERE RIGHT NOW. ONE GOT HER POSITION STOLEN BY FRAUDULENT ACTIVITY. I WORKED THE POLLS. IT WAS HOT. I COULD HAVE BEEN DOING OTHER THINGS. THEN IT GOT TOWARDS THE END OF THE CYCLE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THESE VOTER GUIDES STARTED TURNING UP. OUT THERE SWEATING, TALKING TO PEOPLE, DOING MY CIVIC DUTY. AND THEN I HAD TO TURN MY ATTENTION TO THESE POOR PEOPLE WALKING INTO THE POLL WITH A TOTALLY FRAUDULENT, SUPPOSEDLY ENDORSED CANDIDATES. I WOULD STOP THEM AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU GOT THERE? WE'VE GOT THIS HERE. YOU KNOW THAT'S FRAUDULENT? WHAT? HOW TO EXPLAIN SHOCK AND DISGUST IS WHAT I SAW ON THEIR FACES. I'M SO GLAD THAT I TALKED TO YOU. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR THESE PEOPLE IF IT WASN'T FOR THIS GUIDE. THROW IT IN THE TRASH, GRAB THE CORRECT ONE AND WENT AND CAST THEIR VOTE, WHICH COUNTED. HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTED BASED ON THAT GUIDE? AND THEIR VOTE WAS STOLEN. THERE'S NOTHING MORE PRECIOUS. NOW FIRST THING TWO COMMISSIONERS DID LAST TWO COMMISSIONERS WERE VACANT. THAT SAYS I'M RUNNING AND HIDING. IF YOU'RE INNOCENT OF SOMETHING, YOU COME AND DEFEND YOURSELF. HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE HAVE COME UP AND DEFENDED YOU? IT WOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN ONE HAND TO COUNT THOSE PEOPLE. SO, YEAH. I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY HERE. I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW PISSED OFF I REALLY WAS, AND NOW I REALLY AM. SO VACATE YOUR SEAT. NOBODY'S ASKING YOU TO SAY, HEY, I'M GUILTY. YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT HAVE SOME INTEGRITY. GO HOME, ASSESS YOUR SITUATION. LOOK INTO YOUR SOUL. PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR FAMILY. PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR HEART. AND DON'T SHOW UP HERE AGAIN UNTIL YOU ARE CLEARED OF THESE CHARGES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. [01:35:08] >> GOOD MORNING. >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT GENTLEMAN SAID. BUT ALSO I'M SUPPORTING ANN-MARIE EVANS. I'D LIKE TO READ STATEMENT. LASTLY I ASK THE BOARD TO REVISIT THEIR PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH SJC CULTURAL EVENTS INCORPORATED TO OPERATE AND/OR MANAGE THE PV CONCERT HALL IN ST. AUGUSTINE AMPHITHEATER. CHARGED COMMISSIONERS VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTNERSHIP. THE CHARGES THEY ALLEGEDLY ENGAGED -- ALLEGEDLY ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, I THINK IT IS IN THE PUBLIC'S BEST INTEREST TO ENSURE THAT THE RAEURPBGMENT WITH THE SJC CULTURAL EVENTS INCORPORATED IS TO OUR TAXPAYERS' BENEFIT AS SUCH, IN MY OPINION, AN OUTSIDE AUDIT WOULD BE PROVEN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> HOW DO YOU DO? PROPERTIES ALSO KNOWN AS 501C3'S DO NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. THIS RESULTS IN A TOTAL OF $967,566,000 REVENUE LOST IN PROPERTY TAXES. PLEASE GOOGLE SAVE OUR HOMES. IF YOU'D LIKE TO REDUCE THE PROPERTY TAX BURDEN AND KEEP MORE OF YOUR INCOME, VOTE YES ON 3 IN NOVEMBER. IGNORE THE SCARE TACTICS ALSO KNOWN AS FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS BY GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. THIS ENDED 300,000 TAX DOLLARS SALARY AND OTHER STAFF PAID MORE THAN $141,000 IN SALARIES, WHICH IS WHAT THE GOVERNOR MAKES. SHOULD BE EXAMINED CLOSELY, ESPECIALLY ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES. QUESTION, WHAT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAXES ARE EXEMPT, ALSO KNOWN AS NOT PAID BY PROPERTY OWNERS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY? I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK IT OUT FOR THE COUNTY, BUT I HAVE KEPT UP WITH THE CITY OVER THE YEARS. ONE MINUTE AND 36 SECONDS. WHAT CAN I USE THAT FOR? IS SOMEBODY READING MY MIND? BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT I SAY. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I TRIED TO SAY AT THESE MEETINGS IS THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOTHING TO YOU AT ALL. THE PEOPLE THAT I WANT TO THANK ARE THE ONES THAT SHOW UP TO THESE MEETINGS. THEY SEND YOU E-MAILS. THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO SOMETIMES, TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY CAN'T BE HERE. FOR Y'ALL TO SIT UP THERE AND DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IS, ON CAMERA, AND IT NEEDS TO BE OUT. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE QUIET. I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING QUIET, BECAUSE OUR VOTE, NO MATTER HOW YOU VOTE, SHOULD BE DONE RIGHTLY. THERE'S A RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS AND A WRONG WAY TO DO THINGS. WHEN YOU DO IT THE WRONG WAY, SOONER OR LATER WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BARBARA STITCH. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE COMMISSION TO LOOK INTO THE REASON WHY THE FLORIDA REPUBLICAN ASSEMBLY WAS DENIED MEETING AT THE AIRPORT MEETING ROOM. I BELIEVE IT WAS POLITICALLY -- THIS WAS A POLITICAL MANEUVER TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR THIS GROUP TO MEET. AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. [1. Public Hearing * ADMR 2026-01 Administrative Rezoning of Utility Parcels - Second Hearing.] SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. [01:40:02] >> LET'S GO RIGHT INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. GOOD MORNING, GORDON. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. GORDON SMITH, ST. JOHN'S UTILITY DEPAR DEPARTMENT. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO REQUEST, THIS IS A SECOND READING FOR REZONING OF 11 PARCELS THAT ARE OWNED BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND USED FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICE. WE'RE ASKING FOR A PUBLIC SERVICE CATEGORY. I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE 11 TIGHTS. SHOWS VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE, WE HAD UP IN THE NORTHWEST PART A SITE WE HAD FOR MANY YEARS. WANTED TO BE REZONED TO PS. THIS IS OUR HASTINGS SITE. NORTH PART OF OUR CITY BOUNDARIES. THIS IS OUR ELEVATED STORAGE TANK THAT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO STATE ROAD 16 AND 95. THIS IS ANOTHER, GROUND BOOSTER SITE THAT WE HAVE. SITE OFF WATER PLANT ROAD, OFF 214. ANOTHER SITE NORTH BEACH WATER PLANT. THIS IS OUR SEWER PLANT IN NORTH BEACH. THIS IS OUR WATER BOOSTER SITE DOWN CRESCENT BEACH AREA. LASTLY, THIS IS OUR WATSON ROAD SITE. WE JUST CONSTRUCTED THIS PROJECT THAT WAS PART OF THE 207 WASTEWATER SITE. THOSE ARE THE EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE REQUESTING REZONING TO PS. THIS IS ANOTHER SITE WE HAVE. THIS WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. I'M HERE TODAY ASKING FOR APPROVAL. >> CAN WE GET EX-PARTE? >> DID I MISS THAT? >> OKAY. GUESS BECAUSE THIS IS QASI JUDICIAL ANY TAKE? >> I HAVE NONE. >> MS. JOSEPH? >> NOT THAT I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER ROGERS? >> I HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH NEIL AND GORDON, SOME OF THE FOLKS FROM UTILITIES. I BELIEVE THIS REZONING CAME UP IN ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. WE DISCUSSED IT IN GREAT DETAIL. >> THANK YOU MS. TAYLOR? >> I HAVE NONE. >> I HAVE NONE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? SEEING NONE LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. SEEING NONE WE HAVE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2026 DASH -- >> 25. . >> APPROVING THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES 2026 REZONING UTILITY PARCELS BASED ON FOUR FACTS. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. DO WE HAVE THE CAPABLE OF VOTING ON THE SCREEN? EVERYBODY VOTE. >> MINE ISN'T UP. >> OKAY. HOW DO YOU VOTE? THERE YOU GO. >> THERE WE GO. >> OKAY. THAT PASSES 5-0. [Additional Item] THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, SIR. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 IS SOMETHING WE ADDED. IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR SONS TO SENATE BILL 686. SO LET ME -- LET ME START. SO I MADE SOME NOTES. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, THAT I HAVE ON SENATE BILL 686 AND SOME OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IS I THINK WE'RE AT A CRITICAL POINT IN THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WAYS TO LOOK AT OUR OPTIONS. SO ONE OF THE THING, ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR ADMINISTRATION IS, THERE'S BEEN OPTIONS BY THE PUBLIC WANTING US TO GO OUT AND SEEK OUTSIDE COUNSEL, TRY TO GET AN INJUNCTION AGAINST THIS ORDER. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS ON, IF I CAN, IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS JUST A MINUTE. I'LL GIVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT, IF YOU LIKE. I WOULD LOVE TO DIRECT OUR LEGAL TEAM TO DO A FACT-FINDING MISSION TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES -- ARE WE THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD TRYING TO SEEK AN INJUNCTION WHEN THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS? [01:45:02] ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS IF THERE'S, IN YOUR LEGAL OPINION AND THE LEGAL OPINION OF OTHER SCHOLARS, LEGAL SCHOLARS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE STANDING TO GET AN EMERGENCY INJUNCTION, I DON'T WANT TO WASTE THE MONEY. I WANT TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THAT WE CAN FIGHT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RESPONSE TO THIS. AND SO I WOULD PUT THAT QUESTION OUT TO THE BOARD AND ASK IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS THE FLOOR? >> YES. I'VE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH AND CONTACTING SEVERAL ATTORNEYS. FOUR OF THE FIVE OF THEM. IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. THEY TALK TO ME AND DON'T CALL ME BACK. I DID GET ONE ATTORNEY WHO WAS WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND SEEK OUTSIDE COUNSEL WITH OUR ATTORNEYS. BASICALLY, IT'S AN EROSION OF HOME RULE. WE'VE HAD BLACK CLOUD OVER OUR HEAD. WE HAD SB 180 AND NOW 686. FOR LAWSUIT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU NEED TO SHOW THE VIOLATION OF RULE AND MUNICIPALITY AUTONOMY. YOU CAN PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS. YOU CAN LOOK AT UNFUNDED MANDATES. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLACES WE COULD LOOK IS VIOLATION OF THE SINGLE SUBJECT RULE. THIS IS THROUGH MY RESEARCH. CAN I HAVE MIKE ROBERSON COME UP, PLEASE. THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS ON D4 WITH THE MACKATEE I THINK 4400 NUMB ACHE -- 4,400 ACRES. >> THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THEY COULD RECEIVE. >> SO WE COULD GET LIKE 22,000 HOMES WHICH IS BIGGER? >> YES, MA'AM. >> BETWEEN NOT HAVING WATER, NOT HAVING INFRASTRUCTURE. I MEAN OF COURSE ON THE 19TH WE'RE GONNA SEE IF THAT FALLS INTO THE AGRICULTURE ENCLAVE. THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE SHOULD DO AN INJUNCTION. I THINK THE WAY THAT MY MOTION IS GONNA BE HAS TO DO WITH LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT'S LEGALLY APPROPRIATE. I THINK WE DO NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY. ON THE FRONT WE NEED TO ADDRESS HOME RULE. ALL THESE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID HOME RULE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENGAGE RUSSELL AND RUSSELL AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF FILING A LAWSUIT CHALLENGING THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF SB 686. IF SUCH LAWSUIT IS LEGALLY APPROPRIATE. IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? >> YEAH. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT LAWSUIT. IS THAT THE WAY WE WOULD DO IT? CAN YOU ADDRESS HOW WE WOULD GO -- >> YOU CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO TALK TO DIFFERENT OUTSIDE COUNSEL. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS TYPE OF AREA ON CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES, AS WELL AS REPRESENTING GOVERNMENTS. >> I HAVEN'T HAD THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE -- SHOULD I JUST SAY NAMES. MR. HARTSELL, TERRELL ARLINE AND RALPH BROOKS WOULD BE PERFECT FOR ANY ONE OF THOSE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE CASE. BRAD RUSSELL WON MY CASE IN FEDERAL COURT. HE'S WILLING. HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE IS AN ANGLE. AND IF NOT, THEN THERE'S NOT. BUT HE WANTS TO WORK WITH. >> THAT'S THE MOTION I MADE. IF I HAVE A SECOND, I TRIED. >> COMMISSIONERS I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO MR. RUSSELL. I TALKED TO THEM A COUPLE OF THE TIMES. MY THOUGHT IS HE IS NOT A LAND USE ATTORNEY. THERE ARE LAW FIRMS LIKE THE ONE THAT ATTACKED THE SENATE BILL 180 -- THEY ARE A FIRM THAT DO THIS KIND OF WORK. MOST OF YOU KNOW FROM COUNTIES, SKIPLAND NICKERSON IS ALSO ONE OF THE BIG FIRMS THAT DOES THIS LOCALLY. THERE ARE FIRMS THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS KIND OF WORK. >> BY THE TIME WE DO THAT, IT WILL BE WAY TOO LATE. BECAUSE I THINK MR. RUSSELL WAS REALLY GOING TO LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S LEGALLY APPROPRIATE. SO HE IS LOOKING FOR THE ACTUAL WAY IT WAS DONE. AND THE RESEARCH ON THAT. THAT WOULD START IMMEDIATELY. >> I CAN JUST TELL YOU I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THAT. I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION OURSELVES. THAT WOULD BE MY CONSENSUS, IS THAT WE WOULD TASK OUR ATTORNEYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STANDING FOR THIS. AND THEN GO FORWARD WITH AN OUTSIDE GROUP. THAT SPECIALIZES IN THIS. I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF JUST PULLING A RABBIT OUT OF MY HAT [01:50:04] WHEN IT COMES TO ATTORNEYS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE THING FOR US. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, EVEN IN YOUR CASE IT WAS OVER $100,000. THAT WAS RELATIVELY MINOR. >> THIS QUALITY OF LIFE IS GONNA HIT US WITH MILLIONS, MILLIONS OF HORRIBLE -- >> I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE ARE A FIDUCIARY. THIS IS OUR BOARD TIME. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF OUR BUSINESS FIRST. >> IT'S THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. >> IF YOU DON'T QUIT INTERRUPTING THIS BOARD, THEN YOU WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE, SIR. PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. BACK TO THE BOARD, IF YOU WILL. YES, MA'AM. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> I DO, ACTUALLY DO SUPPORT WHAT MR. KOMANDO SAID ABOUT THE LAW FIRM. I SPOKE TO JOHNNY COLE. WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION. HE ABSOLUTELY SAID WE HAVE GROUNDS TO DO THIS. SO I WOULD TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT. BUT DO I THINK WE NEED SOMEONE WHO SPECIALIZES IN THIS AREA. I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT GOING FORWARD WITH A FRONT LIST. >> LATE LAST NIGHT THEY JUST WON THE LAWSUIT THAT ATTACKED LANGUAGE ON PROPERTY TAX REFORM. >> IF WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THEM, I'M IN ON THAT. >> YEP. >> I THINK WE CAN GET THEM IF WE PAY THE MONEY. >> WE NEED TO -- >> WE HAVE A MOTION HERE. >> THERE'S ALREADY A MOTION, SECOND ON THE FLOOR AT THIS POINT. >> THERE'S NO SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR SAID SHE SECONDED IT. >> NO, I DIDN'T. >> SHE SAID SHE WOULD SECOND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT SHE DIDN'T SECOND THE MOTION. SO WE WILL GO BACK TO ME ASKING CONSENSUS TO DIRECT YOU TO CONTACT THIS -- WHOEVER YOU GUYS AGREE WITH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. TO SEE THE PROBABILITY OF GOING FORWARD BEFORE WE SPEND HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYERS MONEY ON SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA LOSE. I WOULD ASK FOR CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD FOR THAT? >> OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS. MS. ARNOLD? >> CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY? WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ENTERING A LAWSUIT. YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR A CONVERSATION WITH AN OUTSIDE FIRM? WHAT'S OUR CONCERN ON TIMING? I MEAN, I THINK THAT -- >> I THINK WE'VE GOT 90 DAYS. EVEN THOUGH THE CLOCK IS RUNNING, WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT 55 DAY LEFT. I THINK WE'VE GOT TIME TO DO THIS. >> I WOULD JUST, THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. KOMANDO, WE'RE CHALLENGING THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THIS LAW. WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR OUR LAWSUIT? >> AGAIN, HOME RULE, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ANSWERING MY QUESTION. >> MR. KOMANDO CAN ANSWER IT. >> I HAD HEARD THE ARGUMENT OF TRYING TO CHALLENGE THE SINGLE SUBJECT ROLE. I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT SUCCESSFUL, AS FAR AS A LEGISLATIVE ATTACK. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE AN ATTACK, OR A CLAIM THAT THERE IS SOME INFRINGEMENT ON HOME ROLE. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD TALK WITH OUTSIDE COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD VOTE. A POSITION TO FILE THE LAWSUIT OR SEEK THE INJUNCTION. >> THANK YOU. >> LET ME MAKE A MOTION THEN. LET ME MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT OUR LEGAL STAFF TO CONFER WITH OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR THE VIABILITY, AND THE COST ANALYSIS FOR THIS AS WELL. AND WE DO NOT? THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> SUSPEND? >> I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE HE DO THAT. BUT MR. WHITE, HE YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> I'M HAPPY TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE REVOTE. >> LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM TWO. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM TWO. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. COULD WE ADD COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS? NOT JUST COST ANALYSIS, BUT COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS. ALSO WE NEED A CONFLICTS CHECK. NEVER HAD ONE WHEN WE HIRED THE CURRENT COUNTY ATTORNEY. REMEMBER? IT WAS A 3-2 BOAT WITH TWO OF THE THREE VOTES-- VOTES WITH THE CURRENT COUNTY ATTORNEY DOING NOTHING TO GET A CONFLICT CHECK. THE RECORD WILL REFLECT THE COMMISSIONER, AND TAYLOR, ASKED THIS COUNTY ATTORNEY BEFORE HE WAS COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR A LIST OF HIS LAW CLIENTS. [01:55:01] AND YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID TO HER. IT'S REALLY SNOOTY. HE SAID IT'S NONE OF HER BUSINESS. HE SAID IT WAS ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND WORK PRODUCT PROTECTION PRIVILEGE, WHICH IS NOT TRUE. FOR THAT REASON I'VE ASKED FOR A COPY OF HIS LAW SCHOOL TRANSCRIPT. AND THE DEAN OF THIS LAW SCHOOL AS A JUDGE IN NEW ORLEANS. AND SHE HAS NOT RESPONDED YET. >> CAN YOU BRING THIS BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE? >> CONFLICTS CHECK. DO NOT HIRE A LAW FIRM WITHOUT A CONFLICTS CHECK. DON'T HIRE A LAW FIRM WITHOUT A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. DON'T HIRE A LAWYER WITHOUT A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. AND WE DO HAVE TIME, 55 DAYS. BUT LET'S GET THIS RIGHT. LET'S SIT UP STRAIGHT AND GET THIS DONE RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. SEAN CARPENTER, 762, PLEASANT COLONY LANE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE OF ST JOHNS COUNTY WOULD WHOLLY SUPPORT THE COST IN CHALLENGING THIS ACT. AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN THE CURRENT LAWYER THAT WE HAVE AT THE COUNTY, WHO CONVINCED US TO NOT PURSUE A LAWSUIT IN REGARDS TO SB 180. >> THE SPEAKER: 80 WAS WRITTEN TO HELP COUNTIES WHO WERE DEVASTATED BY HURRICANES AND NEEDED TO RECONSTRUCT. IT WAS USED THEN BECAUSE THE PURE LETTER OF THAT LAW WAS NOT PRECISE ENOUGH TO APPLY TO COUNTIES LIKE ST JOHNS COUNTY, WHO IN A YEAR, WE HAD THE BEST YEAR FOR HURRICANES SINCE I HAVE LIVED HERE. WHICH MEANS VERY LITTLE DAMAGE FROM HURRICANES AT ALL. SO THAT IS HAPPENING HERE. AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUOTE THAT YOU CAN USE AS LEVERAGE IN THIS LAWSUIT. THE SPONSOR OF SB 686, A REPUBLICAN NAMED ADAM BOAT TANA, WHEN HE WAS ASKED HOW MAY TIMES IN FLORIDA THIS LAW MIGHT BE USED, HIS ANSWER WAS PROBABLY IN TOTAL FIVE OR TEN TIMES. SO THE SPONSOR OF THIS BILL CONSIDERED THAT IT MAY APPLY TO FIVE OR TEN PROPERTIES IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA. ON DAY ONE, ST JOHNS COUNTY HAD SIX APPLICATIONS. THE REST OF FLORIDA HAS HAD NONE. THIS REALLY SHOULD BE RENAMED FROM THE AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVES LAW TO THE PAVING OVER ST JOHNS COUNTY LAW. AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO PURSUE A LAWSUIT AND GET IT OVERTURNED. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. JOE. IN TAKING A QUICK LOOK AT SENATE BILL 686, WHICH HAS BECOME FLORIDA STATUTE, THE PROCESS IS LAID OUT FOR US WHERE THE APPLICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED, ARE REVIEWED DURING A 30 DAY WINDOW AND DECIDED IN THE 90 DAY WINDOW. SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED? I WOULD PUT THAT PROCESS OUT THERE. I KNOW WE HAVE 90 DAYS. COMMISSIONER MURPHY, YOU MENTIONED THAT. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ABOUT THIS ACTION, AND HOW DO WE TAKE ACTION? I HAVE THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS THERE COULD BE DENIED. AND THAT HAPPENS THERE WOULD BE A LAWSUIT. SO WE COULD ENGAGE IN ACTIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MERITS OF THIS APPLICATION. IT DOES NOT SEEM TO APPROACH THE MERITS OF THE LAW, HOWEVER. IN THE PROCESS OF ARGUING OVER ONE DECISION, ALL THE REST PROCEED. THEY ARE CERTIFIED AS AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVES. AND THE LAW OUTLINES HOW THEY SUBMIT DEVELOP AND PLANS AND PROCEED WITH DEVELOPMENT. THE REAL APPROACH IN MY OPINION IS TO ATTACK THE LAW. THE BASIC LAW. YOU'VE HEARD IT FILED IN INJUNCTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT DISCUSSION. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO ATTACK THE LAW AND FILE AN INJUNCTION? IN MY OPINION, IF THERE IS NO LAW, THERE IS NO APPLICATION. IT'S EASIER TO FIGHT ONE BATTLE. TO FILE ONE LAWSUIT AGAINST THE BASIC LAW THAN TO TRY TO FILE SIX OR SEVEN OR EIGHT LAWSUITS AGAINST APPLICATIONS. [02:00:06] FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO HAVE THE ATTORNEY TALK TO LAND USE ATTORNEYS. IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE DO HAVE STANDING. THAT HAS BEEN THE PRELIMINARY MESSAGE FROM OTHER LAND USE ATTORNEYS. SO I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY ENCOURAGE A "YES" VOTE ON FILING AN INJUNCTION. NO LAW, NO APPLICATIONS. HIS THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> IT'S TIME WE STOP ROLLING OVER. DO WE HAVE LOBBYISTS AT TALLAHASSEE? THAT WORK FOR US? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW 686 GOT THROUGH SO FAST, AND VERY FEW KNEW ABOUT IT. I KNOW THERE WERE BILLS THROWN UP THERE THAT WERE PROBABLY A SMOKE SCREEN. TO HAVE THIS FLY THROUGH HERE I THINK WE NEED TO STAND UP AND SAY SLOW DOWN. NUMBER 1, OUR AQUIFER CANNOT TAKE IT. WE ARE IN TROUBLE RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE COUNTIES THAT HAVE AN ISSUE WITHOUT---- THE AQUIFER BECAUSE THEY ARE OVERBUILT. NOW THERE SUCKING UP SALTWATER AND THEY HAVE TO REPROCESS THAT. SO WE NEED TO STOP AND GET THE STATE TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND UNDERSTAND THERE ARE COUNTIES THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM THIS. UNREAL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> JERRY, 42 MOUNT DRIVE. COMMISSIONER MURPHY, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT YOUR ASKING TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION BACK SO WE CAN FILE THIS? THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A COUNTY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS. >> I WOULD PROBABLY DIRECT HIM TO HAVE IT BACK BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. >> SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE FILING THIS INJUNCTION OR NOT. >> FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE MOTION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MISTERS LEHMAN FOR ADDING THAT COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT VERBIAGE IN THERE. BUT THE DECISION TO BE MADE SHOULD BE MADE IN TWO WEEKS ABOUT WHETHER TO GO FORWARD WITH THE LAWSUIT OR NOT. >> I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT INJUNCTION. WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE WE CAN, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT AN IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO DO IT. AS A TAXPAYER, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT HAPPENING. I ASKED COMMISSIONER MURPHY HERE IF HE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT 686 BEFORE THIS HAPPENED, AND HE TOLD ME NO. DO ALL YOU OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO VOLUNTEER? DID THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT 686 BEFORE THEY GOT THIS PASSED? DID YOU KNOW? DID YOU KNOW? DID YOU KNOW? YOU DIDN'T KNOW? DID YOU KNOW ARE NOT KNOW THAT-- ABOUT 686 BEFORE IT PASSED? >> THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT-- >> LET'S SAY YOU GO ON THE RECORD. THREE ANSWERED NO. THAN THE OTHER TWO WOULD NOT ANSWER. THERE IS A RUMOR OUT THERE, AND I'LL TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS, THAT ONE MET WITH SENATOR TOM LEAKE THERE THAT VOTED FOR IT THREE TIMES. AND I HAVE A GOOD FEELING THE REASON THAT THEY DIDN'T ANSWER IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON THEMSELVES PICKETED ANYONE IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE KNOW ABOUT 686 BEFORE IT PASSED? DID ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT NO? DID ANYBODY IN THIS WHOLE COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN FOR MANY OF THESE FIVE COMMISSIONERS APPEAR. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER. THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING BACK. WE HAVE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS COMING UP. WHEN YOU LOSE THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNMENT, WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR AUTHORITY-- OR MORAL AUTHORITY IN YOUR SITTING APPEAR MAKING DECISIONS ON THINGS, PEOPLE SAY JERRY, WHY ARE YOU SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. BECAUSE IN THIS COUNTRY WE RESOLVE OUR ISSUES AT THE BALLOT BOX. WHEN YOU TAKE THAT AWAY, WHAT YOU LEFT WITH? I DON'T WANT A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. NOT FOR MY NATION NOT FOR MY COUNTY. YOU ARE LEFT WITH VIOLENCE AND CORRUPTION. I DON'T WANT THAT HERE. WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. 5425. CYPRUS LINKS BOULEVARD. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD WITH THE LAWSUIT. YES, IT MAY COST US MONEY, AND IT MAY RUN IN TO A LOT OF MONEY. WHAT ARE WE FACING? MAYBE 100, 200, 300,000? WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THIS [02:05:07] COUNTY IF WE DO NOT FIGHT IT? IF WE JUST ROLL OVER? WE ARE ALREADY SEEING WHAT IS GOING ON. WE ARE SEEING HOW DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH PUTTING HOUSES IN WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE. PUTTING HOUSES IN DEVELOPMENTS-- HOUSES, DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT ARE HAVING MAJOR IMPACTS. THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING FOR. IN IMPROVEMENT. AND YET, THEY ARE NOT. SOMETIMES THEY ARE GETTING WAIVERS. THEY ARE GETTING DECREASES AND DOING THAT. AND THIS BOARD, IN THE PAST, HAS BEEN THE ONE APPROVING IT. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE PUT YOU IN THE POSITION TO PROTECT US. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I SERVED NINE YEARS ON B-52, PROTECTING THIS COUNTRY. SERVICE AND DEDICATION IS WHERE YOU ARE AT. YES, PLAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A FINANCIAL PART. IT'S GOING TO COS. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SAY I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO COST, BUT GO AHEAD, NO MATTER WHAT. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE A STATEMENT. WE HAVE TO LET THE STATE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. SOMETIMES EVEN IF A LAWSUIT GETS THROWN OUT, THAT IS THE IMPACT OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE STATE THAT WE ARE FED UP. THE DEVELOPERS ARE MOVING AWAY FROM CONTROLLING COUNTIES, TO TRY TO CONTROL THE STATE. THIS LAST ONE IS A PURE EXAMPLE OF THAT. WE HAVE TO FIGHT BACK. IF WE, THE PEOPLE DO NOT FIGHT BACK, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? WHERE WE GOING TO END UP? THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AS YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD, AND YOU KNOW ALL TOO WELL, BETTER THAN I DO, IT CANNOT AFFORD IT. YES ATTORNEY FEES ARE EXPENSIVE. FINDING THE RIGHT ONE TO TAKE A CASE CAN BE RATHER DIFFICULT. BUT WE CANNOT WASTE TIME. HE HESS, TO YOUR EXAMINATION LIKE YOU ARE SAYING. PUT A SHORT LEASH ON IT BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME TO GET IT OUT OTHERWISE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE THREE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS. ONE OF THE REASONS I DID SO IS BECAUSE I KNEW THAT YOU WERE FIGHTERS. AND THAT YOU REALLY CARED ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY. AND SO MANY PEOPLE SUPPORTED NEW FOR THAT REASON. AND HERE WE ARE, IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE THE CONTROL OF OUR COUNTY BEING USURPED BY THE STATE, AND WE CANNOT ALLOW THAT. SO I'M ASKING YOU, I KNOW THAT IT MAY COST SOMETHING TO GET THE RIGHT ATTORNEYS. WHETHER IT'S AN INJUNCTION OR LAWSUIT. BUT WE NEED TO FIGHT. YOU WERE ELECTED TO BE OUR FIGHTERS FOR THIS COUNTY. OKAY. AND ALL I'M SAYING IS WHATEVER WE DO WE NEED TO DO IT QUICKLY. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WASTE ANOTHER DAY, IF THERE IS ONLY 55 DAYS LEFT, WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING SOON. SO WHETHER-- I'M NOT REAL PLEASED WITH OUR CURRENT ATTORNEY. SO GOING OUTSIDE TO FIND SOME ATTORNEYS THAT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT AND FIGHT FILE US-- FIGHT FOR US, IS NUMBER 1 IN MY BOOK. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS WITH THE SELECTION OF YOUR ATTORNEY, AND THE COST BENEFIT IS A GREAT IDEA. JUST DON'T LET IT TAKE THE AMOUNT OF TIME. DON'T LET IT TAKE ANOTHER FIVE DAYS, TEN DAYS. WE NEED TO MOVE AND WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. KRISTA DUBAY. I HAD A QUICK COMMENT. ORANGE COUNTY DOES HAVE TWO ENCLAVE APPLICATIONS, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. KOMANDO, WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTACT ORANGE COUNTY ABOUT THOSE APPLICATIONS. [02:10:02] >> I THINK THEY HAVE. THEY ALREADY HAVE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YES. ANYONE ELSE? >> ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> ST. AUGUSTINE WEST CITY. THIS IS FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF THE TIME. AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE COMPUTERS AND THAT KIND OFSTUFF DON'T KNOW EITHER. HERE ARE THE PROJECT NAMES OF SIX PEOPLE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND THE REASON I SAY THIS NOW. ATTORNEYS ARE SITTING OUT HERE, SOME OF YOU DON'T KNOW THE LAWYERS THAT ARE SITTING HERE. IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY. THE ROOT, THE LOVE OF MONEY-- THAT'S THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. OKAY. SIX NAMES. NORTH PALM VALLEY ROAD. STARVED FOR INVESTMENTS. HERITAGE DEVELOPMENT EAST, HERITAGE DEVELOP MIDWEST. NORTH PALM VALLEY ROAD. OSCEOLA LAKES. STAR FOR INVESTMENTS, HERITAGE DEVELOP EAST. HERITAGE DEVELOP MIDWEST. GOOD. NOW YOU GUYS ARE PAYING ATTENTION. DO YOU WANT TO USE YOUR CELL PHONES UP THERE? I WONDER ABOUT THIS SOMETIMES. TO GET YOUR HELP. A WORD ABOUT THE COST NOW. IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, 300,000 SALARY. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I'M GOING TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT. AND THERE ARE BENEFITS. WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BENEFITS. I'M GOING TO LOOK INTO THIS, PEOPLE. IF YOU DON'T LOOK INTO IT, COUNT ON ME, THERE IS A LIBRARY. WE CAN GET NEW ROADS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET NEW ROADS, WE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEM. BUT THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY WHO IS NOT HERE AND HAD TO WORK, AND WE WILL LISTEN TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DID SHOW UP TO PAY ATTENTION. BECAUSE, LIKE I SAY, WE DON'T GET PAID. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE IN THE REDSHIRTS UNDERSTAND, THEY ARE NOT PAID TO SIT IN HERE. BUT YOU ALL ARE, OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE AND OUR STAFF ARE. AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE ARE SPENDING OUR MONEY. THAT'S WHY AM APPEAR. AND I'M VERY CONCERNED WHENEVER DEVELOPERS AND THEIR LAWYERS SIT HERE THROUGH ALL OF THIS MEETING. THEY ARE GETTING PAID WHILE THEY ARE SITTING HERE. OH, WELL. THAT IS THE WAY LIFE IS. SO ENJOY YOUR MONEY. BY. -- GOODBYE. >> THANK YOU. >> CHARLIE HUNT. WILLOW CREEK ESTATES. IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO WHAT IS THE RESERVE IN OUR ACCOUNT LEFT? WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE RAINY DAY ISSUES. IS THIS NOT A RAINY DAY? THE COUNTY THAT IS BEING SLAUGHTERED? WHERE IS THE RESERVE? BECAUSE, YES, EVEN THOUGH I'M TOLD IT'S NOT RIGHT, IT'S NOT GOOD, FOR WHAT I DID, QUESTIONING THE COMMISSIONER COMMENT PORTION ON A MEETING, FOR JUST OUT OF THE BLUE, 125,000-DOLLAR-- $125,000 CHECKS WERE GIVEN OUT. SO, YES. SO YOU HAVE THE WAYS AND MEANS OF DOING IT LIKE THAT. WHY DON'T YOU DIG IT OUT OF THE RESERVES? THE COUNTY'S TWO OR 5% OF THE BUDGET RESERVES FOR RAINY DAYS. RAINY DAYS? I KNOW WE HAD A WHOLE BUDGET BRIEFING. BUT WHEN IS IT? THE COUNTY HAS USED ALL THE MONEY UP RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GET REPLACED. THE ADLER CREEK PORTION. THAT CAME UP YEARS AGO. EVEN BEFORE ADLER CLOOT-- CREEK WAS COMING UP IT WAS CALLED STEEPLECHASE. FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. IT NEVER MADE IT. SO NOW WE WILL DO-- LOOKING AT THE PLANS, FROM 16 DOWN, CUTTING IT IN TO THE BACK OF GRAND OAKS, GRANDE LAKES, EXCUSE ME. ABOVE THE CITY ROAD. THAT'S THE CITY PEOPLE WRITE THERE. [02:15:06] COMMISSION BEFORE. CHRIS, HE HAS A LOT OF MONEY. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OR SO. PROBABLY 15 FOR EACH ELECTION CYCLE FOR THREE OF THE FIVE UP HERE. BUT, LET'S NOT GET IN HIS WAY. BY NO MEANS. BECAUSE HE MIGHT NOT LIKE US AGAIN. EVEN IF WE HELPED HIM OUT. SO I'M SAYING WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THIS THING WAS SIGNED ON THE 20TH, AND THE 21ST OF APRIL IT WAS BEING BROUGHT OUT. AND I LOOK AT THE RESULTS AND LOOK BACK, I DID NOT SEE A LOT OF OTHER ONES UP THERE. WHO WANT TO POINT BLAME MET COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. AND THE OTHER ONES, THEY KEPT THEIR MOUTH SHUT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT EITHER. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. YOU PEOPLE WORK FOR THE COUNTY. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL THIS MORNING. >> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> I APOLOGIZE. ELLEN AVERY SMITH. 100 WHETSTONE PLACE. I REALIZE YOU ARE HAVING A HEARING ABOUT THE INJUNCTION. WE ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED. BUT I WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD, BECAUSE THERE WAS A MISSTATEMENT OF FACT MADE ABOUT THE APPLICATION THAT OUR FIRM FILED. THE REQUESTED APPLICATION IS FOR ONE UNIT PER ACRE, NOT SIX UNITS PER ACRE. AND I WILL RESERVE ANY OTHER COMMENT UNTIL WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 19TH. AND I APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE TIME ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THE INJUNCTION FOR TWO WEEKS, I DON'T THINK WE WAIT THE TWO WEEKS. WE CAN'T SAY WE WANT AN INJUNCTION NOW? THE 18TH IS THE DAY BEFORE WE HEAR THE 19TH. IT IS APPROVED TO GET IT DONE RIGHT NOW? IF MR. KOMANDO CAN GET IT DONE? >> FIRST OFF, CLEARLY WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS AND SO MANY PEOPLE. WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. I THINK MAYBE THERE ARE A COUPLE MORE COMING IN ORANGE COUNTY. NO OTHER COUNTY IN THIS STATE OTHER THAN THE 65 COUNTIES AFFECTED ARE BEING IS DETRIMENTALLY AFFECTED AS ST JOHNS COUNTY. WE ARE ST JOHNS COUNTY AND WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK. AND THE FACT THAT SOME ARE SAYING SIX, EIGHT ALREADY, THERE MAYBE MORE OF THESE AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVES THAT MAYBE AFFECTING OUR COUNTY. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HEARD ABOUT THE DIRE STRAITS THAT OUR AQUIFER IS IN AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ACTUALLY. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO NOT DO ANYTHING. AND WE CANNOT DO-- WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> CAN WE AMEND THAT SO WE GO AHEAD ENDED-- APPROVE IT? >> I DO NOT SUPPORT AMENDING THAT. I SUPPORT FINDING OUT TWO THINGS. I WANT TO DO A COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS, AND I WANT TO FIND OUT THROUGH THE ATTORNEYS THE VIABILITY OF SUCCESS. IF EVERY ATTORNEY WE TALKED TO SAYS THERE IS NO WAY WE HAVE STANDING AND THERE IS NO WAY TO WIN IT. WHAT'S THE POINT OF SPENDING THE MONEY. I DON'T MIND TAKING A COUPLE WEEKS TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. IT DOES NOT MEAN I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF IT. IT JUST MEANS I WANT TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. >> ALL FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION. JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR, THE COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS AN ANALYSIS THAT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT THE MONEY YOU ARE SPENDING IS WORTH IT. THAT'S A DECISION FOR YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT A LAW FIRM WILL GIVE YOU THAT. I BELIEVE YOU ARE LOOKING AT COST ESTIMATE SO YOU CAN CONDUCT YOUR COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS. >> CAN I ADD AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION? [02:20:02] IS IT TOO LATE? WE VOTE ON AN INJUNCTION ON THE 18TH. ISN'T THAT TOO LATE? WE ARE HEARING EVERYTHING THE 19TH? DOESN'T THIS HAVE TO BE DECIDED RIGHT NOW? >> JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE HEARING THE APPLICATION IS ON THE 18TH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO COME TO A DECISION. >> WERE HAVING A MEETING THE 18TH, WERE HEARING THE 19TH. IF WE VOTE FOR AN INJUNCTION ON THE 18TH, DOES IT MATTER THAT WERE HEARING EVERYTHING ON THE 19TH? >> YOU WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS UNTIL AN INJUNCTION IS IN PLACE. >> SO IF AN INJUNCTION HAPPENS AFTER WE HEAR IT IT GOES BACKWARDS? >> IT WOULD STOP THE PROCESS. FILING A LAWSUIT DOES NOT STOP THE PROCESS. A COURT HAS TO ENTER AN ORDER AND GRANTED. I WOULD IMAGINE AN EMERGENCY TEMPORARY INJUNCTION. OF A COURT ENTERS THAT ORDER THAT STOPS THE PROCESS. >> AND WE CANNOT GET THAT BEFORE THE 19TH? >> I DON'T KNOW IF COURT WILL GRANT IT OR NOT. >> AT LEAST PUT IT IN, RIGHT? >> I'M TELLING YOU THAT EVEN IF YOU PUT IT IN TODAY THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY STOP THE PROCESS. FILING IT DOESN'T STOP THE PROCESS. >> IF YOU CAN'T FIND AN ATTORNEY, TALK TO RUSSELL THEN. TO DO THAT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I WILL KEEP PUSHING THIS BUTTON. YOU CAN COME HERE AND SPEAK IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. BEFORE I ASKED, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN FOUR LAWSUITS. WE ARE BEING SUED BY FOUR DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS CURRENTLY. FROM HAVING DENIED PROJECTS. SO WHAT IS AT STAKE AT LEAST FOR THE COMMISSIONERS UP HERE WHO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, IS NOT JUST THE MONEY WE STAND TO LOSE. BY GETTING IN TO A NEW LAWSUIT, WHICH WILL BE IN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY POTENTIALLY. WE ARE ALREADY BEING SUED BY FOUR SEPARATE DEVELOPERS FROM DENYING PROJECTS. THE DEVELOPERS ARE STATING THAT WE ARE NOT ADHERING TO FLORIDA'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS LAWS. THAT'S THEIR ASSERTION IN THE LAWSUITS. OBVIOUSLY I FEEL THAT WE MADE THE CORRECT DECISION IN DENYING THOSE PROJECTS. BUT WE ARE AT RISK OF LOSING A LOT OF MONEY IF WE LOSE THOSE FOUR LAWSUITS THAT ALREADY EXIST FROM DEVELOPERS WHO ARE SUING THIS BOARD, THIS COUNTY. YOUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BECAUSE WE DENIED THOSE PROJECTS. SO NOW WE ARE CONTEMPLATING GETTING IN TO ANOTHER LAWSUIT THAT, GIVEN THE FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD, GIVEN WHAT IS IN FLORIDA STATUTE 163, IF YOU READ FLORIDA STATUTE 163, THERE'S PREEMPTION AFTER PREEMPTION, CORROSION OF HOME RULE AFTER EROSION OF HOME RULE. ALL THROUGHOUT FLORIDA 163. STATUTE 163. WHICH SHOULD TELL YOU THAT IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL. THOSE LAWS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND DEEMED CONSTITUTIONAL. SB 686 IS REALLY JUST ANOTHER LAW UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE 163. AND WE WANT ANOTHER LAWSUIT. PUTTING ST JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT TAXPAYER DOLLARS WHICH ARE FINITE AND PRECIOUS AT RISK. THROUGH THE CHAIR, WILL THE COUNTY BE REQUIRED TO POST A BOND THAT WOULD COUNT AS A LAWSUIT SEEKING AN INJUNCTION? >> THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO POST A CIVIL BOND. >> SO THE ANSWER IS IT IS POSSIBLE TO POST A CIVIL BOND. WOULD THAT BOND INCLUDE COVERING POTENTIAL DAMAGES TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS? THE APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND BY STAFF TO COMPLY WITH SB 686? >> IT IS GENERALLY A PROTECTION TO KEEP PEOPLE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH. BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUSH A CIVIL BOND. AS PART OF YOUR COST. >> I'VE GOT NO ISSUE MOVING FORWARD TO EXPLORE IT THIS IS LEGALLY VIABLE. I JUST HAVE SERIOUS DOUBTS. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S TO MOVE FORWARD AND EXPLORE THE LEGAL VIABILITY, NOBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT BEING PREEMPTED UP HERE. I'VE BEEN SPEAKING AGAINST IT FOR SIX YEARS NOW ON THIS BOARD AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. UNCONCERNEDLY COUNTY, IS NOT A GOOD STRATEGY TO RUN HEADLONG IN TO A BRICK WALL AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. PERHAPS A BETTER USE OF OUR TIME WOULD BE TO ENCOURAGE KIM KENDALL TO REBUILD BEFORE SHE VOTES ON THEM? >> ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM,, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I FEEL THE NEED TO CORRECT THE RECORD. EACH MEMBER OF THIS BOARD RECEIVED AN EMAIL BRIEFING US ON SEVERAL BILLS, INCLUDING THE SPECIFIC BILL FROM COUNTY [02:25:03] ADMINISTRATION AND OUR OFFICE OF GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS IN MARCH. AND THAT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. SO TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. THAT IS SOMETHING I FIND PATENTLY FALSE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN WHO REFERRED TO THE RUMORS BEING SPREAD ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT A PRIVATE MEETING THAT I HAD WITH TOM LAKE WHILE WE WERE IN TALLAHASSEE. AND WHY THIS BOARDS GROUP MEETING WAS PERHAPS CANCELED. I DID NOT HAVE A PRIVATE MEETING WITH TOM LEAKE. SENATOR LEAKE AND I PRESENTED TO A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE ON THE SENATE FLOOR ABOUT THE COUNTY'S JOURNEY TOWARD SECURING THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM. THERE WAS STAFF THEY ARE, COUNTLESS VOLUNTEERS THERE. THERE WAS A COMMISSIONER IN THE ROOM. THERE ARE PHOTOS AND TIME-STAMPS. THERE WAS NO CLANDESTINE MEETING, WHERE BACKROOM DEALS WERE TAKING PLACE. AND EVERY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD HAD BEEN INFORMED OF SENATE BILL 686 AT I WOULD SAY THE LATEST, MARCH 24TH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MEETING WAS CANCELED WITH THIS BOARD BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE VILE SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS BEING SPREAD ABOUT SENATOR LEAKE. BY COMMISSIONERS HUSBAND. SO I WANTED TO GET THAT ONE OFF OF MY CHEST. THIS BOARD WAS, IN FACT, INFORMED OF THIS BILL IN MARCH. AGAIN, A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER? >> I REMEMBER COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST BRINGING IT UP IN MAINE. SO THERE IS SUCH A BIG HOME ROLE ISSUE. WHY WOULD ANYONE EVEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT IN COMMISSIONER COMMENTS IF THEY SAW THAT? ALSO, WHY DO I BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY? OKAY. SECOND OF ALL, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. IS AWESOME AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. LET ME JUST KIND OF GO AND-- AND TO YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM MAY, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF THIS. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT I DID NOT KNOW, OR THAT THERE IS NOT AN EMAIL SOMEWHERE THAT I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. IT IS VERY POSSIBLE I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT, IT IS AN INTERESTING JOB THAT WE HAVE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT I DROPPED THE BALL ON THAT. THE NEWS CAME TO ME AND INTERVIEWED ME AND ASKED WHAT I KNEW. AND I SAID WHETHER I KNEW ARE NOT IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY AS CHAIR AND I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. AND ALL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. WE WERE FIGHTING THE BLUE-RIBBON BILL IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT BRING HESE BILLS FORWARD. THEIR COMMENTS TO ME WHERE A LOT OF TIMES THE BILLS SAT DORMANT UNTIL THE LAST FEW WEEKS. AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THESE THINGS CAN GET BY US. BECAUSE MY FOCUS IS ST JOHNS COUNTY. AND I HAVE MADE IT A PERSONAL ENDEAVOR TO BE A LOT MORE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE TALLAHASSEE FEDERAL FRONT GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THIS, AND I'M JUST SAYING I'M GOING TO WORK HARDER. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE VOTE? >> NO. >> LET US VOTE. THIS VOTE IS TO GO FORWARD WITH A COST ANALYSIS. A COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE NOW IN WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED A COST ANALYSIS ABOUT WHAT, AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO THIS TO FIND OUT THE VIABILITY OF A LAWSUIT GOING FORWARD. AN INJUNCTION. AN INJUNCTION GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. LET US VOTE. SOMEBODY IS WAY AHEAD OF US. OKAY. IS THAT FIVE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. GREAT JOB. GREAT JOB, BOARD, THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSIONS AND THANK YOU TO THE AUDIENCE FOR COMING INTO TELLS HOW YOU FEEL. THIS IS BEEN AN IMPASSIONED DAY, AND I AM PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS THE WAY WE DO. SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT JERRY. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU THAT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS IN THE MORNING. MEETINGS IN THE MORNING ARE GENERALLY SCHEDULED BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS CAN RUN UNTIL THREE OR FOUR IN THE AFTERNOON. IF WE START AT SIX, WE WORK TO MIDNIGHT. AND WE HAVE A STAFF THAT WORKS A DAY SHIFT. I'M NOT OPPOSED GOING FORWARD TO NIGHTTIME MEETINGS. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WERE [Commissioners’ Reports] NOT KEEPING PEOPLE UP TO MIDNIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET'S MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. COMMISSIONER, HE YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN YOUR REPORT? >> NOTHING ELSE TODAY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER? >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE CAN'T GET AN INJUNCTION IN NOW. %-ÚT [02:30:01] OUR COUNTY. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROGERS? >> I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO DRINK COMMISSION REPORT I PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE COMMENTS MET-- THAT WERE MADE. AND GOOD POINTS WERE RAISED. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH JUST ASKED THE QUESTION WHY ANYONE SHOULD TRUST COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. YOU COULD PULL UP THE VIDEO. >> I SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PLAY THAT. >> HOW ABOUT THE LAMP EXTRA MONEY THAT HENRY DEAN WANTS TO DO. AND LET'S GIVE THAT TO THE POLICE OFFICERS. >> ON NOT ASKING US TO GO THAT% FAR. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET CONSENSUS TO GO A BIT MORE THAN THE 500,000. >> BASSO WE NEED TO LOOK AT. >> THIS IS THE NUMBER 1 PRIORITY TO RESIDENTS. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW WE WILL PAY FOR IT. >> SO IT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY. >> IT IS A PRIORITY, EVERY YEAR. I'M JUST CURIOUS, I'D LIKE AN ANSWER FOR HOW YOU PROPOSE TO PAY FOR IT. >> I KNOW WE COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR DOGE. GOVERNOR DESANTIS ASKED FOR DOGE. AND WE NEED TO FOLLOW SUIT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COUNTY THAT WE SHOW WERE DEALING WITH WHAT PEOPLE WANT. I WAS KNOCKING ON DOORS. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN EVEN AFFORD THE EXTRA $100. IT'S A TOUGH TIME FOR EVERYONE NOW. WITH UTILITIES GOING UP, GARBAGE FEES GOING UP. WATER FEES GOING UP. AND CABLE IS GOING UP. WE SHOULD JUST BE COMMITTED TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT HAPPY MEDIUM. AND I'M NOT SUPPORTING THAT. >> THAT'S A GREAT POINT. YOU MENTIONED THE CONSTITUENTS. WE SAT HERE FOR THE BETTER PART OF THIS YEAR AND EVERY CONSTITUENT THAT HAS COME TO THESE MICROPHONES IS ASKING FOR MORE SERVICES, MORE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. E-BIKE ENFORCEMENT, DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE. MORE STAFF SERVICES. AND YOU FIND ALL THOSE CONSTITUENT DEMANDS. WE WANT TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE. I LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOLD US THAT THESE MICROPHONES ALL YEAR THAT THEY WANT MORE FROM THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE TWO FUNDS THAT. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HE WANTED MORE FUNDING FOR LAMP. WE FUNDED IT TO THE TUNE OF $2 MILLION. BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT IF ARE CUTTING THE BUDGET. WE CANNOT GET MORE FUNDING FOR CONSERVATION AND CUT THE BUDGET AT THE SAME TIME. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, YOU'RE LAMENTING THE CUTTING OF LAMP FUNDING. YOU ARE IN THE MAJORITY AND CUTTING THE PROPERTY TAXES. LAMP FUNDING WAS A VICTIM OF THAT PROPERTY TAX CUT. RIGHT? THAT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO CUT THE FUNDING. IT WAS DISCUSSED AND SUGGESTED THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IT. WE WORK HARD TO GET IT UP TO $2 MILLION IN TWO YEARS. MOUSE HALF A MILLION FOR THE CONSERVATION FUND WE DID HAVE, WHICH WOULD BE USED TO KEEP THE GREEN SPACE GREEN, AND THAT BOND WAS CUT. SO THAT WAS WELL WITHIN EVERYBODY'S CONTROL. THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT WAS MADE. >> WHEN THE RESIDENTS WERE ASKED WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION. TO BE HONEST, I THINK THIS IS LONG OVERDUE. AND THAT IS WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM. >> HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT STATEMENT WITH THE POLICY DECISION TO CUT THE LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM? >> BECAUSE THE LAMP WAS COMING FROM THE PROPERTY TAXES. >> SO THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO SAVE THE TREES. BUT THE VOTES DURING THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS BUDGETS HAVE BEEN TO CUT THE FUNDING FOR OUR CONSERVATION PROGRAM HERE AT ST JOHNS COUNTY. SAYING ONE THING AND, DOING ANOTHER. AT THE LAST COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING, THEY VOTED TO ROLL BACK THING THAT CUTS THE LAMP FUND FROM THE BUDGET. SO I THOUGHT EVERYONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE SAYING YOU WANT TO SAVE THE TREES AND CUTTING THE FUNDING FOR SAVING THE TREES, ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOUR CUTTING THE FUNDING FOR SAVING THE TREES. THOSE ARE THE THREE FISCAL YEARS, THREE YEARS IN A ROW THAT OUR CONSERVATION FUND HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK BY THE COMMISSIONER WHO IS SAYING SHE WANTS TO CONCERN ST JOHNS COUNTY. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO STATE. A SECOND ITEM ON MY REPORT, TYLER IF YOU WOULD BRING THE PHOTO UP, WE TALKED ABOUT TRUST AT THE LAST MEETING AND SHATTERING TRUST AND BREAKING THE PUBLIC TRUST. DURING LAST YEAR'S SPECIAL ELECTION, COMMISSIONER MURPHY WAS ASSIGNED TO THE CANVASSING BOARD. IS COMPRISED OF A COUNTY JUDGE, THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND ONE COUNTY COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER MURPHY WAS ASSIGNED TO THE CANVASSING BOARD. ONE RULE THAT WAS STATED TO EVERY MEMBER OF THE CANVASSING BOARD, AT THE OUTSET OF YOUR DUTIES AS YOU CANNOT CAMPAIGN FOR OR AGAINST ANYBODY ON A BALLOT. THAT IS A HARD AND FAST RULE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LAW, BUT I KNOW THAT VICKI OATES DOES A GOOD JOB OF INFORMING EVERYBODY [02:35:01] ON THE CANVASSING BOARD THAT YOU MAY NOT CAMPAIGN FOR OR AGAINST ANYBODY ON THE BALLOT. COMMISSIONER MURPHY, CLEARLY VIOLATED THAT RULE IN THIS FACEBOOK POST IN FAVOR OF RANDY FINE. I SUPPORTED RANDY FINE. I THINK HE DOES A NICE JOB AS A CONVERT-- CONGRESSMEN. BUT YOU CANNOT CAMPAIGN FOR OR AGAINST. SO COMMISSIONER MURPHY HAD TO EITHER BE-- I'M NOT SURE IF HE WAS REMOVED OR IF HE VOLUNTEERED TO RESIGN OR STEP DOWN FROM THE BOARD. BUT I KNOW HE WAS UNABLE TO FINISH HIS DUTIES DURING LAST YEAR'S SPECIAL ELECTION ON THE CANVASSING BOARD. BECAUSE OF THE VIOLATION OF THAT RULE. SO COMMISSIONER MURPHY DURING THIS YEAR, FOR THIS ELECTION CYCLE HAS APPOINTED HIMSELF TO THE CANVASSING BOARD. IN SPITE OF THAT VIOLATION DURING LAST YEAR'S SPECIAL ELECTION, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS. WE ARE MAKING A LOT OF STATEMENTS IN THIS AUDITORIUM TODAY ABOUT ALLEGATIONS. VALIDATION SWIRLING AROUND COMMISSIONER MURPHY THAT HE MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPPORTING CANDIDATES THAT ARE ON THIS YEAR'S BALLOT. SO BASED ON LAST YEAR'S VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF THE CANVASSING BOARD, BASED ON THIS YEAR'S ALLEGATIONS, I'M CALLING ON COMMISSIONER MURPHY TO RESIGN FROM THIS YEAR'S CANVASSING BOARD. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> CAN I PLEASE... ALL RIGHT. I THINK HE IS FINISHED. IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? >> I WOULD LOVE TO. IT IS SO SILLY APPEAR AT ELECTION TIME. THAT TWO CONVICTED-- NOT CONVICTED, I'M SORRY, CHARGE COMMISSIONERS ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AND SUPPORTED YOU AND BEEN HONEST WITH YOU. AND IT'S JUST, REGARDING THE LAMP VERSUS CONSERVATION, ON THE 18TH WE GET TO DISCUSS THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN CONSERVE MORE LAND. WHAT THEY FAIL TO TELL YOU IS REGARDING THE TREE ORDINANCE. I HAD A 14.1 AND WE ONLY HAD THREE. SO WE NEED A THIRD STRONG ONE, OR MAYBE GET COMMISSIONER MURPHY ON BOARD AND TRAIN-- CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE. THE DEVELOPERS NEED MORE OF A BUFFER TO BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD. SO WHATEVER. COMMISSIONER MURPHY. >> ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? OKAY. >> I DO. FIRST OFF, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE WATCHING ONLINE AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE AUDITORIUM LOOKS LIKE AND HOW FULL IT WAS THIS MORNING. AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY. IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE, AND I APPRECIATE IT. I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT DURING THE WEEKEND THE DAY. THE FACT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO BE HERE SAYS A LOT. IT REALLY SAYS A LOT. I'M SORRY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT ALREADY, BUT WE GRATEFUL-- GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ONE FINAL, AFTER ANOTHER DAY OF HEARING FROM SO MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS. ONE THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WAS MENTIONED IS FOR EVERYBODY THAT SPOKE OUT TODAY, HE YOU KNOW THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY THAT FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY. BUT MANY PEOPLE HAVE JOBS AND THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE DURING THE DAY, DURING THE WEEK. SO TO INSULT THOSE PEOPLE, I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. EVERYBODY HAS A FLEXIBILITY TO BE HERE. BUT I WOULD LIKE, FOR ONE MORE TIME, IN RESPONSE TO SUMMONING PEOPLE THAT SPOKE OUT LOUD AND CLEAR, I WOULD ASK AGAIN. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. WILL YOU DO THE RIGHT THING AND STEP DOWN? AS OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE ASKED? AGAIN? [APPLAUSE] >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO ANSWER. ALL RIGHT. THAT SAYS A LOT. AND ENCLOSING, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS AS WELL, THIS IS TIED TO SB 686, I THINK THERE WAS A HUGE BREAKDOWN IN COMMUNICATION WITH OUR COUNTY. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY RETAINING EXTERNAL LOBBYING FORMS-- FIRMS. AND WE HIRE THEM TO KEEP US ABREAST OF THINGS. AND I THINK THAT WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, SB 686, THEY DID NOT PROPERLY INFORM US. THEY HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIMELINE OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED. I DON'T THINK THIS WAS A SMALL OVERSIGHT. AND I WANT TO LOOK CLOSER IN TO THOSE CONTRACTS AND LOBBYING CONTRACTS. AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW OUR CONTRACTS AND ACTUALLY REVIEW ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS. AND LET'S BRING THAT FORWARD. BUT I HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT, AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE SPENDING A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON LOBBYIST COMPANIES, I DON'T FEEL THEY HAVE THE BEST [02:40:03] INTEREST OF OUR COUNTY AT HAND. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I SUPPORT THIS. [APPLAUSE] >> I AM ALWAYS WILLING TO LOOK AT TRANSPARENCY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRANSPARENCY AT ALL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO WATCH? >> I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW THE CONTRACTS. >> OKAY. THAT IS EASY. >> ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS, AND PROVIDE A FULL TIMELINE OF COMMUNICATIONS REPORTING REGARDING SP 686. AND IDENTIFY WHERE EXACTLY THE BREAKDOWN HAPPENED. >> IS THAT A MOTION? >> I THINK SHE'S ASKING FOR CONSENSUS. >> I DON'T THINK WE ARE GETTING IT. >> IF WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THAT. >> WHY DON'T WE FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN DO-- WE CAN DO WHAT SHE'S ASKING, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK FOR THROUGH THE TIMELINE? 686? >> I AM SURE THAT WE CAN. >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. DO YOU? ARE YOU OKAY? YOU ARE OKAY? YOU ARE OKAY? OKAY, YES, YOU. YOU GOT IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WILL DO IT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. WOW. WOW. LET US SEE. POKED IN THE EYE WITH A STICK. SERVE AS YOUR CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I'M NOT SURE WHICH WAS MORE PAINFUL TODAY. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT-- THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I SAY THANK YOU, BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ABOUT THE CANVASSING BOARD AND THE SPECIAL LICENSE FOR RANDY FINE. I DID, OUT OF A ZEAL FOR WANTING TO KEEP OUR PRESIDENT FROM BEING IMPEACHED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, I DID COME OUT IN OPPOSITION TO THE RULES AND SUPPORT RANDY FINE IN A SPECIAL ELECTION. I DID. BECAUSE OF THAT, I HAD TO RESIGN FROM THE CANVASSING BOARD. THIS PARTICULAR BOARD THIS YEAR NEEDS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FROM THE JUDICIARY. AND FROM VICKI OATES OFFICE. WHAT I DISCOVERED IS THAT, THERE IS NO ONE ELSE QUALIFIED ON THE BOARD TO SERVE ON THE CANVASSING BOARD BUT ME. ON THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN DO IT. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE ENDORSED. AND BECAUSE OF THE RULES I HAVE NOT ENDORSED. I'D NOT COME OUT PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY. ENDORSED OR FUNDED, OR CAMPAIGNED OR DID ANY OF THAT STUFF FOR ANYBODY. AND ANYTHING THAT WILL BE ON THE ELECTION. THAT WILL BE ON YOUR BALLOT. IN AUGUST OR LATER. IN NOVEMBER. I HAVE NOT DONE THAT BECAUSE OF MY-- I DON'T WANT VICKI MAD AT ME. THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. SHE WILL GET MAD AT ME IF I VIOLATE THAT. SO I CONFESS THAT I MADE AN ERROR IN JUDGEMENT LAST YEAR. AND I PAID FOR MY-- FOR THAT. AND I HAPPENED TO STEP DOWN. IN THIS ELECTION I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THE BOARD THAT CAN UNDER THE RULES SERVE. SO I'VE REFUSED TO DISQUALIFY MYSELF, BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. I THINK WE NEED SOMEONE FROM THE CANVASSING, FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE CANVASSING BOARD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. I NOTICED YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE, WAS THERE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO... >> YES, A JUDGE CAN BE APPOINTED TO FILL YOUR SLOT. SO THERE ARE NO COMMISSIONERS THAT CAN SERVE ON THE CANVASSING BOARD. ANOTHER JUDGE CAN FILL YOUR SLOT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. >> IPAD 2 GET THE BOARD TO ASSIGN AN ALTERNATE FOR US. >> WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE JOB. THE CANVASSING BOARD COULD MOVE FORWARD. >> I KNOW THAT. BUT IT IS MY DUTY. IT IS MY CIVIC DUTY TO SERVE ON THE CANVASSING BOARD. I FELT THAT MY-- WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO STEP UP EVEN THOUGH I WOULD'VE HAD ENDORSEMENTS AND WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SUPPORT THE CANDIDATES. I REFUSED TO BECAUSE OF MY COMMITMENT TO BEING NONPARTISAN IN THESE ELECTIONS AND SERVING ON THE CANVASSING BOARD. >> CHAIR MURPHY, SINCE I'M RUNNING IN THE ELECTION I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT YOU CAN DO THAT FOR OUR BOARD. IN A FAIR MANNER. AND I'VE NOTICED YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN INVOLVED. [County Administrator’s Report] >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE WORDS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. CAN I GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION BOARD? >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I HAVE NO REPORTS OTHER THAN TO [02:45:03] REMIND THE BOARD, IN TERMS OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A 5:01 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 3RD AS YOUR FIRST HEARING FOR THE TENTATIVE VILLAGE. AND OUR FINAL HEARING IS SET AT 5:01 P.M. ON DECEMBER THE 15TH. BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE VARIABLES, AND THE BUDGETING THAT THE STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON WE ARE WORKING ON THE FIRST SEPTEMBER BOARD MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE SCENARIO BUDGETING AND LOOK FOR YOUR DIRECTIONS ON HOW WE CAN BRING SOMETHING ON THE 3RD OF SEPTEMBER. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. [County Attorney’s Report] >> THANK YOU. MR. KOMANDO. >> MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. MR. ROBERTSON-- ROBINSON HAS KEPT YOU UP TO DATE WITH A NUMBER OF THESE ISSUES. ONE IS THE ROBINSON MATTER, WHICH IS GOING TO BE COMING UP FOR REMEDIATION ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 14TH. WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOMEONE SIT IN FROM THE BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. TRADITIONALLY IT IS THE CHAIR THAT WOULD SIT IN ON THAT MEDIATION. SO IF YOU WOULD ALL DESIGNATE THE CHAIR, WE WILL MAKE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT. >> I WOULD DESIGNATE THE CHAIR AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT MATTER, ON FRIDAY AUGUST THE 14TH. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THAT IT? AND Q SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.