Dec 17, 2019 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order]

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>> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS DECEMBER 17, 219 ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REGULAR MEETING. GOOD MORNING TO ALL.

MAY I HAVE THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

JACQUELINE KELLY KEMP AND PERFORM THE INVOCATION AND IF

EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND. >> IN LUKE CHAPTER 2 VERSE EIGHT THE BIBLE TELLS US AND THERE WERE THE SAME COUNTRY SHEPHERDS KEEPING WATCH OVER THEIR FLOCK BY NIGHT.

AND THOUGH THE ANGEL CAME UPON THEM AND THEY SHALL RUN ABOUT THEM AND THEY WERE SO AFRAID AND ANGELS SAID TO THEM, FEAR NOT I BRING GOOD TIDINGS OF GREAT JOY WHICH SHALL BE TOO ALL PEOPLE FOR UNTO YOU IS BROUGHT TO YOU A SAVIOR WHICH IS CHRIST OF THE LORD. IT SHALL BE ASSIGNED TO YOU AND YOU SHALL FIND A BABY WRAPPED IN SWADDLING CLOTHES AND LYING IN A MANGER AND SUDDENLY THERE WAS WITH THE ANGEL A MULTITUDE OF HEAVENLY HOSTS PRAISING GOD SAYING LORD GOD IN THE HIGHEST AND ON EARTH PEACE, GOOD WILL TOWARDS MEN.

WE THINK ABOUT THIS AND THIS TIME OF CHRISTMAS, CHRIST THE WORSHIP OF CHRIST. LOOK AT THE PROCLAMATION TODAY AND BLESS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMERCE AND THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH COUNTY MANAGER. I'D LIKE TO PRAY FOR THIS MEETING AND FOR THEM TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND MAY COME BEFORE OUR THRONE AS THE ANGELS AND THE SHEPHERDS DID GLORIFYING YOU AND PRAISING YOU FOR THE UNSPEAKABLE WONDERFUL GIFT, YOUR SON. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WE THANK YOU FOR THE DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE TODAY, HEAVENLY FATHER.

FOR THE PROCLAMATIONS WE THANK YOU FOR THE BACKPACKS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER AND WE PRAY YOU BLESS THEM AND THAT EACH CHILD RECEIVES YOUR LOVE AND YOUR LIGHT, HEAVENLY FATHER.

WE ALSO THANK YOU AND PRAY YOU BLESS THEM TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND WE THANK YOU FOR THESE PROCLAMATIONS AND WE PROCLAIM YOUR GOOD NEWS AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS IN JESUS'S MOST

PRECIOUS NAME, AMEN. >> SPEAKER: IF YOU WOULD JOIN

ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> ALL: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED.

[Proclamations]

READ THIS INTO THE RECORD? >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

FOR AS CHILDHOOD HUNGER CAN CAUSE LUNG HEALTH PROBLEMS SUCH AS A WEAKENED IMMUNE SYSTEM, INCREASED HOSPITALIZATION RATES AND DELAY DEVELOPMENT AND ORDERS CONSISTENT NUTRITION AMONG CHILDREN CONTRIBUTES TO BETTER TEST SCORES IMPROVED READING SKILLS, POSITIVE BEHAVIOR, IMPROVED HEALTH AND INCREASED SCHOOL ATTENDANCE, AND WHEREAS THE FIRST COAST BLESSINGS IN A BACKPACK IS AN ALL VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION MOBILIZES COMMUNITIES, INDIVIDUALS AND RESOURCES TO PROVIDE FOOD ON THE WEEKENDS FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN ACROSS ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA MIGHT OTHERWISE GO HUNGRY. AND WHEREAS RELYING ON THE GENEROSITY OF DONORS FIRST COAST BLESSINGS IN A BACKPACK VOLUNTEERS ARE ABLE TO PACK LOW PREPARATION, NUTRITIOUS STAPLES FOR MORE THAN 4400 CHILDREN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DEPAUL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. NOW THEREFORE BE PROCLAIMED BY

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BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA

SIGNED JEASKED JEB SMITH. >> IS MY HONOR TO RECOGNIZE THE PROCLAMATION. IT'S AN ORGANIZATION YOU DON'T HEAR A LOT ABOUT BUT THEY ARE LOCATED IN MULTIPLE STATES STARTING RIGHT HERE I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE. JUST LINE UP HERE AND FACE THE AUDIENCE AND MELISSA WILL READ THE PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD. IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES SKILLS TO PEOPLE IN A DEFENSIVE MANNER, NOT OFFENSIVE. IT PROVIDES WAYS FOR TO GAIN SELF-CONFIDENCE, NOT JUST OF THEMSELVES BUT OF THEIR COMMUNITY. IT'S MEANT TO BE OUTWARDLY FOCUSED NOT GENERALLY FOCUS. AND I WILL LET THEM DO A BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING MORE OF THE DETAILS AFTER THE PROCLAMATION IS READ INTO THE RECORD. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO NOTICE ORGANIZATION FOR 15 YEARS NOW AND KNOW THE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN IT IN THEIR CHARACTER. AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR ITS INTERNATIONAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION ESTABLISHED IN 1983 OF THESE FLORIDA TEACHERS INTEGRITY AND HONOR THROUGHOUT TAE KWON DO. AND WHEREAS IT'S A MULTIPLE GENERATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT FOSTERS RESPECT AND LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER AS WELL AS VOLUNTEERISM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WHERE'S THE MISSION IS TO TRAIN AND DEVELOP DISCIPLINE AND FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THROUGH SENTIENT CULTURAL ARTS AND DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP PRINCIPLES THAT IMPACT THE LIVES OF INDIVIDUALS THEY SERVE IN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND WHEREAS THREE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LOCATIONS HAVE NURTURED THE PHYSICAL, MENTAL AND SPIRITUAL WELL-BEING OF MANY YOUTH, ADULTS AND SENIORS IN OUR AREA WHO IN TURN INCORPORATE THOSE CORE VALUES INTO THEIR DAILY LIVES FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.

NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT MAY BE RECOGNIZE WORDS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY AND ITS POSITIVE IMPACT IN THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 17TH DAY OF DECEMBER, 2019. TEST MR. BRAD BRADLEY CLERK OF COURT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA SIGNED JEB SMITH CHAIRMAN.

>> THIS IS NOT WWF WRESTLING. THIS IS OLYMPIC SANCTIONED RECOGNIZED MARTIAL ARTS THAT ORIGINATED IN KOREA.

WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO AS VOLUNTEERS TEACH THIS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO LEARN ANYWHERE FROM THE RECREATIONAL LEVEL JUST FOR FITNESS, FLEXIBILITY, AND THE SOCIAL ASPECTS TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE OLYMPICS AND COMING BACK WITH METALS.PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OUR COUNTY HAVE RECEIVED OLYMPIC MEDALS, THE REAL DEAL.

FROM ORGANIZATIONS ÃFROM THIS ORGANIZATION TRAINING AND TEACHING IN SUPPORT OF INDIVIDUALS.

AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT.

THEY WILL BRAG ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THAT'S WHY I'M MENTIONING THIS. I DID WANT TO GIVE DOCTOR COKER AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

IT IS MY HONOR 2 TO PROVIDE TO YOU THIS PROCLAMATION TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

[APPLAUSE] IT IS MY HONOR 2 TO PROVIDE TO YOU THIS PROCLAMATION TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. [APPLAUSE]

>> A WISE MAN SAID MANY YEARS AGO THAT GOLD AND SILVER I MAY NOT HAVE, BUT I WILL GIVE YOU WHAT I DO.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS I FOUGHT COMPETITIVELY FOR THE MARINES IN OUR COUNTRY BOTH IN A WAR RESPECTIVE AS WELL AS A COMPETITIVE PERSPECTIVE, AND AT THAT POINT AFTER MY WIFE PASSED AWAY, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING I COULD GIVE BACK, AND I'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK INTO OVER 600 BLOCK BOATS THAT WERE OLYMPIC SANCTIONED, AND WE'VE HAD 63 JUNIOR OLYMPIANS AND FOR OLYMPIAN FINALISTS IN FOUR STATES IN 20 SCHOOLS OVER THESE PAST 35 YEARS. IN FACT, TO ME, IS PAYING AHEAD. AND I THINK ALL OF US, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE HAVE, WHATEVER OUR ABILITIES HAVE,

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I HAVE WITH ME MR. HANK WRITE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND MR. BUCK KAPLAN WHO MANAGES TWO OF OUR SCHOOLS, BUT WE ARE IN POOR STATES NOW, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DUBOIS COUNTY AND MANY OTHER COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

AND WE ARE MORE THAN GRATEFUL THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO LET US KNOW THAT YOU APPRECIATE THOSE EFFORTS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND TO OUR LORD COMES HOME.

[APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING.

THIS TIME I LIKE TO CALL MARK GEIGER AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WHO ARE HERE TODAY TO RECEIVE A PROCLAMATION. AS THEY ARE COMING UP I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE CHAMBER FOR THE HARD WORK THEY DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR BUSINESSES, FOR JOBS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY GIVE A LOT OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO EVERYBODY THAT NEEDS IT AND THEY COME TO THE MEETINGS.

AND THAT'S A GOOD CROWD. AT THIS TIME I WILL ASK MISS LUNDQUIST TO READ THE PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD.

>> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS THE SUCCESS OF LOCAL BUSINESSES AND INTEGRAL TO THE GROWTH AND PROSPERITY OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY PROSPERITY AND THE SUSTAINED DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOCAL BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT IS DEPENDENT UPON THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHERE'S THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY KEY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ACTIVELY PROMOTES BUSINESS RECRUITMENT, DEVELOPMENT AND RETENTION WITHIN THE COUNTY AND STIMULATES JOB GROWTH FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS AND BREAST ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ACTIVELY PARTNERS WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENT TO PROMOTE THE ADVANTAGES OF LIVING AND WORKING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AND WORSE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ADVOCATES ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES ARE REPRESENTED IN LOCAL, STATE, AND NATIONAL AFFAIRS. NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE RECOGNIZED WORDS PDEDICATED SERVICE TO THE BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS OF ST. PJOHNS COUNTY.

PASSED AND ADOPED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 17TH DAY OF DECEMBER, 2019.

THE TEST MR. BRAD BRADLEY CLERK OF COURT, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS

COUNTY, FLORIDA, JEB CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU.

>> ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND OUR STAFF I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND THE ENTIRE COMMISSION FOR THIS PROCLAMATION. THE CHAMBER IS PROUD TO PARTNER WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY ON MANY IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING ALL OF US. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR WORKFORCE, EACH RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION AND ADVANCED JOB-TRAINING JUST TO NAME A FEW. OUR OVER 1100 BUSINESSES THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ARE PROUD TO WORK, LIVE, AND EVEN PLAY, AND WE PLEDGE OUR SUPPORT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER TO FACE THE CHALLENGES AND REWARDS

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THANK YOU FOR THIS HONOR. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE MONTHS AND YEARS AHEAD ON BEHALF OF THIS PIECE OF PARADISE CALLED ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

OUR LAST PROCLAMATION MAY BE LAST IN ORDER BUT NOT LAST IN MY MIND AND IMPORTANCE AND THE REASON IS I FIRST MET MAX ROYLE IN 1990 WHEN HE JOINED THE ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH CITY AS MANAGER WHEN I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. ALMOST WITH THEM PROBABLY THE FIRST MONTH OR TWO I THINK MAX AND I GOT TOGETHER ON JOINT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ISSUE WE RESOLVED AND WE WORK TOGETHER FOR PROBABLY 10 YEARS. SO I WANT TO CALL MAX AND I WANT TO CALL ERIC AND GEORGE APPEAR.

AS THEY COME UP I WANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE TWO OF OUR CITY COMMISSIONERS IN ORDER TO RECOGNIZE MY CITY COMMISSIONERS DYLAN. AND COMMISSIONER MARGARET ENGLAND. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

I THINK THOSE ARE TWO THAT HAVE JOINED US.

I'M GOING TO CALL IN THE MAYOR TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN

READ THE PROCLAMATION THERE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

MAX ROYLE EARNED HIS BACHELORS DEGREE FROM BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY IN PENNSYLVANIA. AND LATER HIS MASTERS DEGREE IN ENGLISH AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS. AFTER GRADUATION, HE STUDIED AND TAUGHT ENGLISH IN INDIA WITH THE PLEA PEACE CORPS.

FOLLOWING HIS SERVICE ROYLE WORK FOR CARE AND NONGOVERNMENTAL GLOBAL HUMANITARIAN AGENCY ASSISTING IN RELIEF EFFORTS IN THE PHILIPPINES AND JORDAN.

ONCE ROYLE RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES HE SERVED AS CITY MANAGER IN ST. PETE BEACH, FLORIDA, AND IN SEWARD, ALASKA.

MAX ROYLE HAS SERVED AS CITY MANAGER IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH SINCE 1989. NOW, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH IN ADDITION TO CELEBRATING MAX'S 30TH ANNIVERSARY BEING OUR CITY MANAGER, WE ALSO CELEBRATED THIS YEAR THE CITY'S 60TH BIRTHDAY.

SO THAT MEANS MAX HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY NOW FOR MORE THAN HALF OF HIS EXISTENCE. EVERY DAY GETS A LITTLE FURTHER PUSHING THE RATIO. OUR CITY IS A WONDERFUL CITY AND GIVEN LACK OF RELATIONSHIP NO SMALL PART OF IT IS DUE TO HIS SERVICE. THE MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS OVER HIS TENURE HAS INCLUDED THE BUILDING OF A NEW CITY HALL AND POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDINGS, OUR POPULATION HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH NUMEROUS DRAINAGE PROJECTS, MASTER STORMWATER TREATMENT POND, SIDEWALKS, BYPASS AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

ALL KINDS OF AMENITIES CONTRIBUTING TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. NOT TO MENTION BEACH ACCESS.

WE HAVE ONE OF THE BUSIEST BEACH ACCESS POINTS AT A STREET AS WELL AS OSHA TRACE WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS AND THE CITY WITH LESS COSMIC GUIDANCE IS HAS PARTICIPATED A LOT WITH THE COUNTY AND FOR FEDERAL AGENCIES AND STATE AGENCIES TO GET OUR BEECH TREE NOURISHMENT. SO I'M SURE HIS LONG TENURE THERE IS DUE, IN PART, TO A GREAT DEAL OF LOVE TO SURVIVE SO MANY POLITICAL ADMINISTRATIONS OVER THE YEARS.

BUT CERTAINLY IT ALSO SPEAKS TO HIS PROFESSIONALISM AND THAT IS ECHOED BY THE ATTENDANCE OF SO MANY OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES

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WITH GOD OUR POLICE CHIEF. WE JUST GOT CINDY WALKER A PUBLIC RELATIONS DIRECTOR. WITH THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HERE TO CHEER HIM ON. SO I AM SO THRILLED AND GRATEFUL TO THE COUNTY THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE OUR 30 YEAR STANDING CITY MANAGER OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT RECOGNIZING MAGGIE. I HAVE A GOOD EXCUSE.

SHE WASHIDDEN BEHIND DYLAN. SO LOVE THEM COHEAD ICE CREAMS. GO GET ONE. YOU WANT TO READ THE

PROCLAMATION, MELISSA? >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS MAX ROYLE HAS SERVED IN CITY MANAGEMENT FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS BECAME CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH IN 1989 AND WERE AS DURING HIS TENURE WITH THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, MR. ROYAL HAS MADE SEVERAL SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW CITY HALL, POLICE STATION AND PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, NUMEROUS DRAINAGE PROJECTS ESTABLISHMENT OF A NETWORK OF SIDEWALKS AND BYPASS THE ACQUISITION OF LAND FOR PUBLIC PARKS, AND WHERE IS MR. ROYAL'S NOTEWORTHY CAREER WITH THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH ALSO INCLUDES INVOLVEMENT IN MULTIPLE BEACH RESTORATION PROJECTS THAT HAVE KEPT THE COAST IN GOOD CONDITION FOR CITY AND COUNTY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.

AND WHERE IS HIS OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT OF 30 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT TO BE CELEBRATED BY THE RESIDENTS OF ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

NOW THEREFORE BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT MAX ROYLE BE RECOGNIZED FOR HIS 30 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE AS A CITY MANAGER OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA.

PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 17TH DAY OF DECEMBER, 2019.

THE TEST MR. BRAD BRADLEY CLERK OF COURT MINISTRY OF OFFICER BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA SIGNED JEB SMITH CHAIRMAN. [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE]

>> WHAT BILL AND MARGARET AND MAGGIE TO COME UP TOO.

RIGHT. EVERYONE WHO IS AFFILIATED WITH ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH INCLUDING ME, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE, A GROUP PICTURE. , A GROUP PICTURE.

[APPLAUSE] >> I HOPE THERE IS STILL SOMEBODY AT CITY HALL RUNNING THE CITY WHILE EVERYONE ELSE IS HERE. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE MY NAME DISPLAYED ON THE SCREENS HERE.

IT'S A GREAT HONOR. THINKING ABOUT THE OCCASION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN I FIRST LEARNED ABOUT IT.

I WANTED TO POINT OUT THERE'S SORT OF A SYMMETRY HERE.

COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON IS HERE.

HIS FATHER HARRY WHO WAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN 1989 WHEN I WAS HIRED. AND I THINK HARRY WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION BOARD THEN.

SO THERE'S A SYMMETRY HERE WITH THE TWO COMMISSIONERS SORT OF BOOK ENDING MY START AND I HOPE LOCKED MY FINISH OF MY CAREER WITH ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. NOW, IT WAS NICE TO HAVE ALL OF

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THERE'S A CERTAIN THING YOU MAY NOT REALIZE BETWEEN MY CITY AND THE COUNTY IS WE DO HAVE PRETTY STRONG ONGOING RELATIONSHIPS AND I CAN THINK BACK TO THE PAST COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS BEGINNING WITH DAN CASTLE IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER HIM UP TO THE PRESENT WITH THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS DEBORAH LOCKLEAR AND JOY ANDREWS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF COUNTY STAFF PEOPLE. I SAW ONE TODAY, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, LINDA, BILL YOUNG, THE UTILITY DIRECTOR NEIL THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

I WILL GET A CALL AT CITY HALL SOMETIMES ON SATURDAY MORNING WITH A WATER PROBLEM AND I WILL CALL BILL OR SEND HIM AN EMAIL AND I GET A RESPONSE. YOU GET SOMEBODY ON IT RIGHT AWAY. THEY ARE VERY GOOD PUBLIC SERVANTS. AND BESIDES THEM, I DEAL WITH A LOT OF THE PEOPLE UNDER THEM LIKE BILLY AND TARA, JAN, NEIL OLIVER, TERESA BISHOP, TONY. I COULD GO ON AND ON THE NAMES OVER THE YEARS THAT THE COUNTY PEOPLE I HAVE WORKED WITH.

FINALLY, A KEY THING THAT OCCURRED IN THE 1990S WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND THAT WAS THE BEACH RESTORATION.

AND THAT WAS A LONG TENURE EFFORT, AND BAY CITY IS A GREAT DEAL OF DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO THE COUNTY FOR ITS WORK ON OUR BEHALF, PARTICULARLY COMMISSIONER JIM BRYANT WHO WAS OUR DISTRICT 5 COMMISSIONER THEN, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR LEON SCHEINBERG AND A WONDERFUL LADY WHO IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, KITTY FOWLER WHO WAS OUR REPRESENTATIVE IN WASHINGTON WHO REALLY WENT TO BAT FOR US AND WAS A GREAT LADY AND NOW IS SADLY DECEASED.

OUR CITY MAYOR. THEY REALLY MADE THAT HAPPEN.

OTHERWISE, I FEAR TODAY MY CITY WOULD BE KNOWN AS ST. AUGUSTINE ROCKS BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST WAS HIRED GOING FROM THIRD STREET TO 10TH ST. AT TIMES OF EXTREMELY LOW TIDE.

THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THERE WAS ANY SAND THAT I COULD WALK ON.

AND ABOVE ME WAS ROCKS PROBABLY 15 FEET HIGH.

OF COURSE, ALL THAT IS NOW COVERED IN SAND THANKS TO THE EFFORTS OF THE COUNTY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IN THE CITY. IN COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING 30 YEARS.

MAYBE WE CAN DO IT AGAIN IN 30 MORE YEARS.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY.

[Public Comment]

COMMENT. >> MR. WALDRON: AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, AND WE HAVE YOU HERE. STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULE OF DECORUM. COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS.

IT MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR

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MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHALL REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

I WOULD ASK ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS MATERIALS ON THE OVERHEAD DISPLAYED HERE PRESENT THE MATERIAL TO THE STAFF AND THE CLERK OF COURT WHO IS SITTING TO HER RIGHT INTO YOUR LIFE BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

COME FORWARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> MR. CHAIR BEFORE OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT DURING THE ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, ITEM NUMBER TWO ROSCOE MARINA AND ITEM NUMBER 3 START LN. , WE WILL BE ASKING THAT THEY BE PULLED OFF THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.

THE BOARD MAY BE INTERESTED IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS HERE FOR THOSE THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY COME TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME AS I WILL BE REQUESTING THAT THOSE BE REMOVED.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE.

I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES. TWO OF THESE TRUCKS WERE WITHIN 20 MINUTES OF EACH OTHER USING A ROAD THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE TRUCKS ON IT. AND I CONSIDER IF I WOULD HAVE CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT LIKE I HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HARASSMENT.

I HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD I WAS HARASSING THE BUSINESS OWNERS OVER THERE BECAUSE I WAS PUTTING COMES UP WHEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAME AND MOVED THEM.

TWO OF THESE PICTURES WERE WITHIN 20 MINUTES, AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU HOW BAD THIS ROAD IS MESSED UP.

I WOULD SAY THE COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED THIS, BUT YOUR STAFF APPROVED IT AND YOU REALLY NEED TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR STAFF. AND ANOTHER THING, MR. DEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE ON ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT.

YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME PULL BECAUSE IF THE DEEP CREEK IS RECOGNIZED BY THE U.S. COAST GUARD AS A NAVIGABLE CREEK, YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T HAVE TOO MUCH GETTING IT CLEANED UP, AND THIS IS FOR THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND PEOPLE THAT ELECT YOU ALL. YOU WILL NEED TO BE WORKING FOR THEM, NOT AGAINST THEM AND WHAT IN THE ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT IN THIS ARROGANT AND DISMISSIVENESS GET AWAY WITH THIS. CHECK IT OUT.

GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> WILL YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS?THANK YOU. COME FORWARD, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

I AM WILLIAM FISHER AT 10130 MCMAHON AVENUE WHICH IS AT FLAGLER ESTATES. HERE LAST WEEK I ATTENDED A MEETING AT FIRE STATION FIVE ON U.S. 1. MR. WALDRON AND MR. SMITH YOU WERE IN ATTENDANCE. I WAS MORE DISAPPOINTED THAT MORE RESIDENTS WERE NOT ATTENDING.

BUT I WANT TO COMPLEMENT THE CHIEF.

HE HAD AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS GOING TO BE USED, AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU AGAIN, JEFF.

>> NEXT, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING.

ED SLAVIN BOX 3084. THERE IS A UKRAINIAN PROVERB THAT SAYS THE LAWS LIKE AN OX CAR IT GOES WHERE YOU WANT IT TO GO. ? THERE ARE BIGGER THINGS AHEAD. WE LEARN ABOUT HOW HE TREATED WOMEN FROM THE ROECA REPORT ANNUAL FINALLY ACTED AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LAW MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE PEOPLE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY STARTING WITH A SUPER MAJORITY AND LET'S PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.

LET'S PUT IT ON THE BALLOT ISSUE.

A SUPER MAJORITY IN THE VCC FOR ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND ANY AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

IT'S LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION. IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE LIGHTLY.

AND IT'S BEEN DONE WAY TOO OFTEN AND WAY TOO OFTEN ON 3 TO 2 VOTES. I LIKE TO SEE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CHANGE THE LAW ON TREE KILLING AND HOPEFULLY YOU WILL BE DOING SOME OF THAT LATER TODAY AND MAYBE MORE IN THE FUTURE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DISCLOSE THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS OF EVERY SINGLE ENTITY THAT COMES BEFORE US AND ASKS FOR GOVERNMENT FAVORS. THESE LLCS.

YOU ALSO. EVERY SINGLE BENEFICIAL OWNER OF EVERY SINGLE DECISION YOU MAKE NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED.

WE NEED LOBBYING DISCLOSURE. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT LOBBYIST USES COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THEY SAID THEY DID NOT WANT

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LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THAT ONE.

AND EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION. WE NEED TO AMEND THE COUNTY CODE AND PROVIDE FOR NONDISCRIMINATION NOT ONLY ON THE BASIS OF PROVIDING FEDERAL LAW BUT ALSO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.IT'S TIME AND IT'S RIGHT.

NOW, ON SEPTEMBER 2 OF 2010, MICHELLE O'CONNELL WAS MURDERED IN THE HOME OF SHERIFF'S DEPUTY JEREMY BANKS.

HER DAUGHTER, ALEXIS, IS ABOUT TO HAVE HER 10TH CHRISTMAS WITHOUT HER MOTHER AND THAT FAMILY HAS STILL NOT SEEN JUSTICE DONE. HIS JUSTICE ONLY FOR THE RICH? ONLY FOR THE SHERIFF AND THE PEOPLE IN THE POLITICAL MACHINE? WE NEED TO GET ON THE CASE AND ASKED THE GOVERNOR TO REMOVE THE SHERIFF PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 4 SECTION 7 OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.

IT'S TIME MINUTES RIGHT. THERE HAVE BEEN TOO MANY COVERUPS. 702,000 771 DOLLARS WORTH OF EMBEZZLEMENT. SHERIFF GOT TO CHOOSE THE OTHER SHERIFF. A FRIENDLY SHERIFF WHO SUPPOSEDLY INVESTIGATE. THAT'S WRONG.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY NEEDS TO BE A SHINING CITY ON THE HILL.

AS NOTED WORLDWIDE WITH CORRUPTION.

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

>> THANK YOU MR. SLAVEN. NEXT.

>> TOM REYNOLDS. WHEN MR. SLABINSKI CAME UP HERE, AND HE IS SAYING TO YOU AND THANK YOU FOR FIRING MR. WANCHICK I MUST ADMIT I'M IRRITATED.

I REALLY WAS HOPING TO MOVE PAST IT TODAY.

BUT MR. SLABINSKI REPRESENTS WHAT YOU DID TO MR. WANCHICK.

AND ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE IN THEIR MIND A MAN BUILT UP A BEAUTIFUL COUNTY, WORKED DAY AND 9 A.M. WAS FIRED.

NOW WE ARE READY KNOW THAT'S WRONG.

BUT THEN WE HAVE TO ADD MORE WRONG TO IT AD WE DIDN'T PROPERLY ADVERTISE MANY, MANY QUALIFIED PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR INTO OUR AREA.

HOWEVER, IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT THEN TODAY I MADE THE MISTAKE OF OPENING THE NEWSPAPER.

AND WHAT DO I SEE? NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER UNQUALIFIED PERSON IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. RUNNING THE CLERK OF COURTS OFFICE BECAUSE THE CLERK OF COURT IS NOT OVER THERE DOING HIS JOB. SO I AM GOING TO BUT I AM ALREADY ASSUMING THAT NOBODY ELSE WAS INTERVIEWED FOR THE JOB. DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S HARD FOR ME, GENTLEMEN? IT'S SO DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE, YOU SEE, I KNOW SOMETHING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY DON'T. WOMEN ARE SMARTER THAN MEN.

MY MOM WAS THE SMARTEST PERSON I HAD EVER MET.

SHE WAS IN THE MEDICAL FIELD. MY TWO SISTERS HAVE MASTERS.

MY WIFE WHO IS DECEASED 11 YEARS TODAY WAS A COMPUTER EXPERT. OPPOSITES ATTRACT.

SHE WAS SMART.BUT GENTLEMEN, NOW ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT.

BECAUSE WHEN NO WOMEN ARE INTERVIEWED FOR A JOB, SOMETHING IS WRONG. WHEN WE HAVE FIVE WHITE GUYS ON A BOARD THAT ALL RAN ÃYOU ALL EARNED WHAT YOU GOT, BUT I THINK TO MYSELF, WOW. COULD A WOMAN OR TWO OR THREE HAVE CHANGED THE THINKING OF ONLY ONE PERSON BEING INTERVIEWED, MR. CONRAD? THINK SO.

AND I REALLY FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE LAW. IT IS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S 2019. SO LET'S DO BETTER AND WHEN MR. SLABINSKI COMES UP HERE FOR THE NEXT 100 MEETINGS AND SAYS MR. WANCHICK WAS FIRED, COULD YOU REMIND HIM THAT HE WAS FIRED

TOO? >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> MY NAME IS JOHN I LIVE AT 2437 BLACKBEARD DOCTOR IN

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I AM JUST Ã >> THIS IS ÃTHOSE WILL HAVE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THEY ARE BEING PULLED.

>> MY APOLOGIES. >> WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND SET BACK UP ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'M JUST HERE TO VOICE MY FRUSTRATION FOR CLIENTS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HERE TWICE NOW AND IT'S BEEN PULLED BOTH TIMES. AND WE BELIEVE STRONGLY ABOUT THE ISSUE. WE HAVE THINGS TO SAY SO WE WILL COME BACK FOR WHEN IT IS, BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING IF THE BOARD CAN DO SOMETHING TO GET IT ON THERE SO IT WILL BE HEARD AND THAT CAN BE FINAL. WE THINK THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPEALED TO THE CIRCUIT COURT A LONG TIME AGO IF HE HAD ISSUES WITH THE DECISION. IF YOU COULD JUST GET IT ON THE AGENDA AND HAVE IT FINALIZED. WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

>> AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO GET WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND TOUCH BASE WITH HIM. SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.

THANK YOU. MR. MCCORMICK COULD YOU PLEASE GET WITH THIS GENTLEMAN? THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEEN ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL

CLOSE AT THIS TIME. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> MR. WALDRON: I JUST WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF YOU COULD CONTACT THE COMPANIES THAT ARE IN THOSE PICTURES FOR SOUTH COLLINS? WHEN WAS THE TRASH COMPANY SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT QUICKLY ALONG WITH CHAMPION BRAND AND I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER TWO.

CHAMPION BRANDS OUT OF JACKSONVILLE.

>> WE WILL DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

[Consent Agenda]

ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA?

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER >> NON-ÁCUSTOMÁ COMMISSIONER

WALDRON >> NINE

>> ADMINISTRATION? THE CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 3 SHOULD BE PULLED AND THEN THE OTHER TWO FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA THAT HAVE ARTY BEEN DISCUSSED.

>> CONSENT AGENDA AGENDA ITEM IS A PLAT THAT RECOMMENDED TO BE PULLED BY ADMINISTRATION. ANYTHING ELSE?

LEGAL? >> MR. CHAIR, WE WOULD LIKE TO

à >> SEEING THEN I WILL TAKE AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT AND PASS THIS AGENDA.

>> WILL JOIN ITEM NUMBER THREE >> I HAVE A COMMISSIONERA MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN SECOND BY MR. BLOCKER TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING

[Regular Agenda]

MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> MR. DEAN: I ASSUME SOMEONE IS GOING TO HANDLE 2. I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS.

>> MAY WELL ÃIF YOU WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

>> MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS WE REQUEST THAT ITEM NUMBER TWO NUMBER THEY ROSCOE MARINA BE PULLED AND ITEM NUMBER 3 ÁLANE BE CONTINUED TO THE JANUARY 21 MEETING AT 9:00 A.M..

>> ALL RIGHT. >> NO OTHER AMENDMENTS WERE

MADE. >> MR. BLOCKER: MR. CHAIRMAN I ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IN ADDITION WE HAVE HERE GENERAL FLEMING IS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CHAIR FOR THE FIRE WATCH OR NORTHEAST FLORIDA AND I WOULD ASK THE BOARD ALLOWED THEM TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OR WHERE WE ARE WITH

FIRE WATCH INITIATIVE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WE WILL HAVE THAT AS NUMBER 12 NUMBER COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> MR. WALDRON: NOTHING AT THIS TIME.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> NONE.

>> WE HAVE RECOMMENDATION TO PULL NUMBERS TO KNOW HIM AND 3 AND THEN NUMBER THREE WOULD BE CONTINUED UNTIL JANUARY 21 MEETING AT 9:00 A.M.. AND ITEM NUMBER 12 DEALING WITH FIRE WATCH.I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS AGENDA.

>> I MOVED THE REGULAR AGENDA AS AMENDED.

>> I SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> I JUST WANT TO ASK IF WE ARE ADDING GENERAL FUNDING IS IT POSSIBLE MAYBE TO MOVE THAT

ITEM UP? >> YES, WE WILL DO IT.

>> INSTEAD OF THE VERY LAST? >> WE WILL DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. A POSTNATAL? ARE YOU A MOTION CARRIES. BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE WE DO HAVE OUR NEWLY APPOINTED CLERK OF THE COURT, RANDY AND PATTY IS HERE.

BRANDON IF YOU WANT TO SAY HELLO OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO BE HERE TODAY.

AND CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

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[Additional Item]

>> THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.

WE ARE MOVING INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA NOW AND AS CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 TO THE FRONT.

IF YOU WOULD? >> GOOD MORNING TO YOU.

CAN WE GET A REPORT ON FIRE WATCH?

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSION MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAVE A CRISIS WITH VETERAN SUICIDE, AND IT'S A CRISIS THROUGHOUT THE NATION. AND THEN UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ROY DIAMOND THE CEO OF CANINES FOR WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA TO REALLY ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM. AND SO DEVELOP SOMETHING THE FIVE COUNTIES NORTHEAST FLORIDA DO PAUL, CLAY, NASSAU, ST.

JOHN'S, AND BAKER COUNTIES GET TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. WE HAVE THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION AND MANY OTHER ENTITIES ARE WORKING ON THE VETERAN SUICIDE PROBLEM.IN THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION DOES GREAT WORK AND A LOT OF AREAS.

UNFORTUNATELY, TWO THIRDS OF THE VETERANS WHO COMMIT SUICIDE ARE NOT EVEN CONNECTED TO THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION.SO WE AS A COMMUNITY DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WE ALL COULD WORK TOGETHER ON VETERAN SUICIDE.

AND SO AS YOU KNOW THE FIVE COUNTIES INCLUDING ST. JOHNS COUNTY SIGNED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND I AM HONORED TO BE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE AND ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE FIRE WATCH.

WE HELD OUR FIRST MEETING. WE HAVE NOT ONLY FIVE MEMBERS, INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS FROM THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE FROM THE COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY COMMISSION IN JACKSONVILLE OUR LIAISONS. IN ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS HOW DO YOU APPROACH A PROBLEM THIS BIG? I MEAN IT'S SOMETHING WE ALL AGREE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO BUT IF WE ALREADY HAVE THE ANSWERS WE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING THOSE ANSWERS. THE CHALLENGES WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS TO IT. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER AND WE HAVE FORMED COMMITTEES TO DO THIS. WE HAVE A RULES COMMITTEE WHICH IS LOOKING AT HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO THINGS.

BUT WE HAVE OTHER COMMITTEES AND ACTION GROUPS AND HAVE THE ABILITY. WE HAVE THE FINANCE AND RESOURCE ACTION GROUP AND WHAT THAT GROUP DOES IS REALLY LOOK AND SEE WHAT CAN WE DO TO SUPPORT ONLY FIRE WATCH INITIATIVES BUT ALSO INITIATIVES THAT ARE BEING DONE BY PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THE FIVE COUNTIES.

WE ALSO HAVE A VETERANS IN CRISIS ACTION GROUP, AND WE HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENTITY THAT IS OFFERED TO COME IN AND DO A DAY AND HAVE WORKSHOPS AND WE CAN LOOK AT VETERANS IN CRISIS AND SEE WHAT OUR SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE.

SOME ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING IN THE SPRING.ND THE OTHER ONE IMPORTANT WE HAVE A VETERANS ECOSYSTEM.

HOW DO THE VETERANS AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA FEEL CONNECTED? ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO IS HAVE 10,000 OF THE VETERANS CONNECTED IN SOME WAY.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS YET, WE WILL HAVE THEM CONNECTED BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW ONE OF THE WAYS YOU CAN KEEP PEOPLE OFF A PATH TO SUICIDE IS TO HAVE THEM CONNECTED NOT ONLY TO THE FAMILY NOT ONLY TO THE COMMUNITY BUT TO OTHER VETERANS. SO I APPRECIATE THE HONOR OF BEING PART OF THIS AND BEEN SELECTED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO DO ÃBE PART OF THE FIRE WATCH. ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE AN ACTION GROUP AND WE WILL HAVE ACTION GROUP AND EACH ONE OF THE FIVE COUNTIES AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO TO LOOK IN THE COUNTIES IN PARTICULAR IN OUR CASE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ELECT TO ENGAGE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARE INTERESTED IN THIS ISSUE TO HAVE AN ACTUAL TRIP TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO SPECIFICALLY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO EACH OF THE COUNTIES WILL BE DOING THAT AND I WILL BE GETTING WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE HONOR OF BEING INVOLVED WITH THE FIRE WATCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS IMPORTANT

ISSUE. >> THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION IN REGARD TO CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OTHER COUNTIES DID OTHERS STEP UP TO MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS? I KNOW WE HAD AN APTITUDE Ã

>> EACH OF THE COUNTIES ÃI THINK OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THESE CONTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO LOOK NOT ONLY TO THE INDIVIDUAL COUNTIES BUT GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE THERE PROGRAMS.

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>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> IF I COULD.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THIS IS A CHALLENGING PROBLEM. I THINK YOUR ENTHUSIASM AND JUST IDENTIFYING THE ACTION ITEMS WE COULD PUT INTO PLAY.

THIS IS A LONG HAUL THIS IS A LONG WAR AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ORGANIZATIONAL EXPERTISE.

IT'S VERY CHALLENGING PROBLEMS THAT THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT SEEING ANYONE COMING FORWARD WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY TO GIVE US A REPORT.

[Item 1]

THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. >> GOOD MORNING.

MELISSA GLASCO DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.ODAY I HAVE A REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES CAN TO CONSTRUCT THE HUB TECHNOCRACY. THE CLASS A INNOVATION AND CO-WORKING OFFICE BUILDING TO BE LOCATD IN NAZI.

THE PRESIDENT OF M3 32081 LLC BASE AND PONTE VEDRE IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 22,500 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY THAT WILL HOUSE A TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION HUB CO-WORKING SPACE AND AN ACTIVITY CENTER WITH THE THEME OF LEARN, PLAY, MAKE AND DO FOR ALL AGES FROM PRE-K TO 55+. A TECHNOLOGY-BASED ENTREPRENEUR HAS PREVIOUSLY COFOUNDED MULTIPLE COMPANIES INCLUDING A SOFTWARE COMPANY LATER SOLD TO GE TRANSPORTATION AND WORKFORCE ANALYTICS FIRM KNOWN AS WIRE TO PERFORM BASED IN JACKSONVILLE AS A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HE BRINGS HIS ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT TO THE COUNTY TO DEVELOP THE HUB AND HE PROPOSES TO MAKE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT OF 6.5 MILLION DOLLARS AND NOT A DETAILED CENTER THAT WILL CREATE AT LEAST 10 NEW HIGH-PAYING JOBS AVERAGING NEARLY $90,000 WHICH IS MORE THAN TWICE OUR AVERAGE COUNTY WAGE.

THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT THAT DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST HERE IN THE COUNTY OR IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THE CAUSES PROJECT OF THIS TYPE IS IN THE SEATTLE AREA. THIS WOULD BE UNIQUE TO OUR AREA AND SOMETHING WE COULD SHOWCASE.

IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. MISSOURI INTENDS TO RELOCATE HIS COMPANY WIRE TO PERFORM FROM JACKSONVILLE TO HIS FACILITY ONCE IS COMPLETED. THE PROJECT COURT SCORED SEVEN POINTS UNDER THE NEW INDUSTRY COUNTED CATEGORY AND THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM IS ELIGIBLE FOR EXPEDITED PERMITTING IN CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC PORTION OF THE TAXES PAID.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTIES UTILITY SERVICE AREA THEREFORE NO WATER OR SEWER CONNECTION FEES ARE BEING CONCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL. CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2020 AND THE OPEN IN 2021.

WITH THE SCHEDULE THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED DURING FISCAL YEAR 23.

THE TOTAL ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE INCENTIVE IS $183,000 Ã183 960. IN YOUR BACKUP I HAVE CALCULATED THE PROPOSED INCENTIVES THE NET BENEFIT IS POSITIVE. IF APPROVED STAFF WOULD MOVE FORWARD DRAFTING THE INGREDIENT AND AS WITH THE AGREEMENT NO FUNDS ARE EXPENDED UNTIL PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE MET.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> AT THIS TIME WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

AT THIS TIME AND MAKE A MOTION TO CONSTRUCT THE TO CONSTRUCT A 22,500 SQUARE-FOOT OFFICE BUILDING IN PLACE FOR PROPOSED PLAN AGREEMENT AT A LATER REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING.

>> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER TO HAVE A

SECOND? >> SECOND

>> A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE.

LEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES 5 TO 0.

CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION AND INVESTMENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO NUMBER HAS BEEN PULLED. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 HAS BEEN

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OMMISSIONER DEAN COMMIT >> NONE.

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>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> MR. BLOCKER: I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM KAREN TAYLOR ASKING IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS

AND I HAD NONE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> MR. WALDRON: I HAVE THE SAME EMAIL FROM KAREN TAYLOR AND NO

OTHER MEETINGS I'M AWARE OF. >> MR. JOHNS: I RECEIVED THE SAME EMAIL BUT HAD NO MEETINGS OR CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT THE

PROJECT. >> MR. SMITH: I DID RECEIVE THE SAME EMAIL FROM MS. TAYLOR AND IT WAS DECEMBER 11TH.

AT 7:30 4:00 P.M. AND THERE WAS NO REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND PROPERTIES EXISTING USE AND ZONING AS WELL AS THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSAL.

SO GOOD MORNING MS. MAY. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

CYNTHIA MAY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 IS FOR REZONING 2000 1912 AND THIS IS AT FEBRUARY 3, 2001 STATE ROAD 16 AND JUST EAST OF INTERSTATE 95 AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP. IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 9.74 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND THIS WOULD BE TOO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IS SURROUNDED BY USES CONSISTENT WITH MIXED LAND USE DESIGNATION.

IT IS IN THE MIXED-USE FUTURE DESIGNATION AS AN ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL BEACH TO THE SOUTH. THE ZONING CURRENTLY IS OPEN RURAL. THERE ARE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES ZONING TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND THEN OPEN RURAL TO THE SOUTH.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC USES ALLOWED AND THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF THEM. THE ACTUAL USE CATEGORIES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND IT WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS.

GENERAL BUSINESS, HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL, HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL, GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE AND REGIONAL BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL AND REGIONAL CULTURAL AND ENTERTAINMENT. SO A WIDE RANGE OF USES.

THE EXISTING USES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS SITE RIGHT NOW ARE TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND IT'S AN RV SALES FACILITY MOST OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THIS ARE CURRENTLY VACANT. STAFF DEFINED THE REQUEST FOR REZONING APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG A CORRIDOR WITH THE POTENTIAL TO DEVELOP A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD APPLY AND COMPATIBILITY WITH NEARBY RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND EAST COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH ADEQUATE BUFFER AND SCREENING STANDARDS. STAFF IS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR PHONE CALLS AND ON NOVEMBER 21 OF THIS YEAR THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTED 7 TO 0 TO VOTE APPROVAL. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE APPROVAL FINDING THE REQUEST SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND THEREFORE FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED TO SUPPORT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE WE WILL HEAR FROM

THE APPLICANT. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA STREET. CRAIG CUNNINGHAM IS WITH ME REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY TODAY.

I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF. I THINK CYNTHIA COVERED MOST OF EVERYTHING. AS SHE MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF I-95 AND STATE ROAD 16. WE ARE ASKING FOR A REZONING FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE POINTED OUT IN COMPATIBILITY ALSO IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND, BUT THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE WETLAND SYSTEM. I GUESS I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE USED THIS ONE ÃTHAT RUNS BASICALLY ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO THERE IS QUITE A NATURAL BUFFER AS WELL. IT IS IN THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT. THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IS THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF GREEN ACRES RD. AND YOU SEEN A ROAD. AS SHE MENTIONED WE HAVE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND HIGHWAY TOURIST IW AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. IT'S SURROUNDED BY VERY SIMILAR ZONING CATEGORIES. SHE USED THE MAP THAT I PROVIDED THAT ALSO KIND OF EXPLAINS WHAT IS AND ALL THE

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AND I DID A FEW PICTURES JUST Ã THIS IS THE INTERSECTION FOR GREEN ACRES RD. AND 16. THIS WOULD BE LOOKING TOWARDS THIS WOULD BE COMING UP FROM Ã ON GREEN ACRES RD. TO THE INTERSECTION AT STATE ROAD 16. THIS IS GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY SO DOWN TOWARDS THE GREEN ACRES SUBDIVISION.

KIND OF ONE SIDE OF IT KIND OF SHOWS YOU SOME OF THAT WETLAND AREA THAT EXISTS. THIS IS A HOME THAT IS DOWN AROUND THE CURVE AS YOU GET DOWN TO GREEN ACRES RD. WHERE IT TURNS INTO UCINA AND IS A PICTURE OF THAT HOUSE SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE VERY SIGNIFICANTLY BUFFERED FOR.

THAT WOULD BE UCINA ROAD. AND THE INTERSECTION OF ÃWHERE UCINA AND GREEN ACRES SPLIT OFF.

BASICALLY WE FEEL ZONING CHANGE IS SIMILAR INTENSITY AS MANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES. CYNTHIA WENT THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT IT ALLOWS.

ONE THING, IT DOES HAVE VERY LIMITED FRONTAGE ALONG STATE ROAD 16, SO SOME OF THE BIG TYPE USES WOULDN'T REALLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TYPE OF SITE.

IT WILL MEET ALL OF THE BUFFERS AND SETBACKS AS MENTIONED AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A LOGICAL EXTENSION OF THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT, EITHER THROUGH THE ZONING OR AS I SAID SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITUATIONS. AND THERE WILL BE SOME REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS TO GREEN ACRES RD. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET SUMMIT COUNTY STANDARDS SO YOU WILL GET A LITTLE BENEFIT OUT OF THAT. AS WE SAID WE FEEL THE USES ARE COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH THE LEC AND IT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCIES.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MR. SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> MR. WALDRON: ONE CONCERN I HAD, MS. TAYLOR, IS REALLY THE ACCESS ONTO GREEN ACRES RD.

WITH THE SHARP CURVES THERE, RESIDENTIAL'S COMING OUT.

THERE'S NOT ÃTHERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ACCESS OR WHAT THE PLANS ARE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO LOOK AT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC PLANS.

IF YOU NOTED THE PROPERTY ADJACENT NEXT TO THIS THAT'S THE CORNER OF GREEN ACRES IS COMMERCIAL AND THERE IS SOMEONE THAT'S INTENDING TO DEVELOP THAT.

THEY ARE THINKING OF SHARING SOME OF THE ACCESS OFF OF 16.

SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARCELS Ã IF I CAN GO BACK TO THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE ÃSO THEY WOULD HAVE AN ACCESS DIRECTLY OFF OF IT. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. WE'VE GOT THE LIGHT DOWN HERE SO THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED TO 16 THAT SHOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT. AND AGAIN, THE PAVEMENT AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF DOES HAVE TO BE IMPROVED BY THIS APPLICANT.

>> ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMERCIAL BEING BUILT ACROSS 16 IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH AREA RIGHT THERE.

AND WE HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST WANT TO SEE LIMITED IMPACTS ON THAT ESTABLISHED

NEIGHBORHOOD. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN SITE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED USED THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT THE ACCESS WILL BE REVIEWED ACCORDING TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN COORDINATION WITH THE FT IF NECESSARY FOR THAT CONNECTION TO 16.

>> MR. BLOCKER: OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> MR. SMITH: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE WE WILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM 4.

PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.

PLEASE COME FORWARD.MR. CHAIRMAN AT THIS TIME SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT. I WANT TO SAY IT'S HIGHER AND DRIER GROUND ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE ROAD THERE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED NOW. IT IS A COMPATIBLE AND IT'S A MIXED-USE AREA. DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT GREEN ACRES RD. AND ACCESS ESPECIALLY MORE TOWARDS 16 A LOT MORE ACCEPTABLE. I WILL MOVE THE MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2019 Ã81 REZONING 2019 Ã12 FEBRUARY 3, 2001 STATE ROAD 16 COMMERCIAL THE REQUEST REZONING APPROXIMATELY 9.74 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE

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OF FACT. >> SECOND.

>> IMMERSION BY SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONE WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

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MOVING ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.

IT IS AN EX PARTE. >> THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE SAME EMAIL KAREN TAYLOR SENT. O QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID HAVE A SIMILAR COMMUNICATION WITH MS. KAREN TAYLOR.

THERE IS NO DISCUSSION. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> MR. WALDRON: I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS

SIX. >> NO COMMUNICATION.

>> MR. SMITH: COMMISSIONER JOHN SKIP NIX BE TOO NONE.

>> MR. SMITH: I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING AS WELL.

SO HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR NAME? KEENEY.

GOOD MORNING. IT'S ALL YOURS.

>> GOOD MORNING ÃLET ME JUST SAY I MISREAD THAT.

I AGREE SHE HAD THREE, FOUR, SIX AND NOT FIVE I HAVE HAD NO

COMMUNICATIONS. >> GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS.

PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.EZONING APPLICATION 2019 20 REQUEST IS TO REZONE A PORTION OF A PROPERTY FROM EXPIRED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE CARE AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL MAP, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF STATE ROAD 207 WEST OF WILDWOOD DRIVE NORTH OF BRINKOFF ROAD AND UNDEVELOPED CURRENTLY. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES OF THE 37.59 ACRE PROPERTY FROM THE TWO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO RETURN THE PARCEL TO ITS PRIOR ZONING AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

THE 9.9 EAGLE ACRE IS RISEN FROM COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TP UD IN 2006 THROUGH ORDINANCE 2000 JUNE 1, 2028 BUT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED. IT EVENTUALLY EXPIRED.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IS LOCATED IN A MIXED-USE DISTRICT COURT ARM. THE ZONING MAP SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN DARK BLUE AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY TO REMAIN IN THE EXPANDED EXPANDED IS IN THE DARK PAIN. THERE ARE OTHER ZONES IN AREA ONE TO THE NORTH. AS WELL AS FURTHER NORTH AND ACROSS STATE ROAD 207. THE HERE IN FIGURE 1 SHOWS THE USES THAT WERE ALLOWED IN THE PUD WHEN IT WAS FIRST APPROVED.

THERE'S RESIDENTIAL OUTDOOR PASSIVE AND SERVICE BY REZONING TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED REGIONAL CULTURAL ENTERTAINMENT A BROAD BUSINESS GENERAL BUSINESS, OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE AND REGIONAL BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL. THE STAFF FINDS REQUESTED ZONING APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND IS LOCATED ALONG A MIXED-USE CORRIDOR WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOP IN THE COMMERCIAL INTO THE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD APPLY.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE COMPATIBILITY MAP THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THERE AT THE STAR THE EAST PARCEL IS A PORTION OF THAT EXPIRED THAT WAS MOSTLY WETLANDS AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CUTTING OFF TO THAT PORTION AND THEN THERE'S THE REMAINDER OF THAT PLANNING DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF THE EAST PARCEL AS PWELL. THE NORTH PARCEL IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.T WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE BACK IN 2004. THROUGH ORDINANCE 2004 Ã86.

THE WEST PARCEL IS OVERALL USE FOR AGRICULTURAL USES AND HAS A HOUSE. IN THE SOUTH PARCEL IS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR SOME COMMERCIAL BUT MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL USES A MIXTURE OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES. THE PLANNING ZONING AGENCY FURTHER REQUESTS DURING THE REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 21, 2019 THE AGENCY VOTED 7 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS PROVIDED.

STAFF RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST FOR AGRICULTURAL USE AND THE PHONE CALLS WERE RECEIVED FROM STAFF. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING OF THE APPLICATION STAFF FINDS A

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THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.

NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

COURTNEY ROGERS TOWERS IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND GOING TO FORGO GOING THROUGH MY ENTIRE PRESENTATION SINCE MISS KEENEY COVERED EVERYTHING. I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TWO THINGS WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WHICH IS THE TRIANGULAR-SHAPED OF OUR PEACE AND WE ALSO HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON NOVEMBER 14, 2019, BEFORE OUR PZA HEARING UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS CAME.

WITH THAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR PREVIOUS APPLICATION AND I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY WAY QUESTIONS YOU MAY

HAVE >> THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> MR. WALDRON: JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. I KNOW IT'S MAINLY WETLANDS.

YOU HAVE AN EXPIRED PUD ARE YOU GOING TO GRANT ACCESS TO 207.

>> CURRENTLY THE WAY THE PROPERTY ÃLET'S GET TO THE MAP. THIS IS THE CURRENT LAPSE PUD SO AS YOU CAN SEE ÃLET'S SEE WHERE THE POINTER IS

>> SO THE WAY WE CALCULATE THE 10 ACRES IS THERE IS NO INTERCONNECTIVITY IN THE ELAPSED PUD BECAUSE THIS IS ALL WETLANDS FROM THIS 9.9 ACRES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING BEING REZONED. ALL OF THIS IS WETLAND.

SO THE PUD WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2006 EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ONE PUD, THEY FAZE IT TO HER THE STATE ROAD 207 WAS PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 WAS THE BOB WOODWARD YOU CAN SEE AT TWO CONNECTIONS.

THIS IS AN EASEMENT FOR THESE NEIGHBORS WHO WERE LANDLOCKED TO GET OUT TO WILDWOOD. THE PUD NEVER HAD INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO.

ESSENTIALLY THE WAY WE CAME UP WITH THE 9.9 ACRES IS IT RUNS FROM 207 TO THE 25 FOOT UPLAND JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND LINE.

HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION

>> IS THIS PART OF 207? >> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE APPLICANT WAS. I THINK IT WAS BLACK.

IT'S IN MY FILE. CAN GO PULL IT

>> AND IT HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS ONE.

BUT I BELIEVE YES. >> GOOD MORNING.

IT'S KIND OF FUNNY HOW IT WAS DONE BUT PHASE 1 WAS NOT PART OF THE 207 IMPROVEMENT GROUP BUT PHASE 2 NUMBER WAS.

THEY HAVE PARTICIPATED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE REQUIRED

TO BE FOR THE PUD EXPIRED. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU WE WILL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. IF YOU PUBLIC COMMENT COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEE ANYONE COME FORWARD WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 20 1982. REZONING 2019 STATE RD. 207 COMMERCIAL REZONING APPROXIMATELY TWO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING THEM PLEASE VOTE.

COMMISSIONER DEAN, IT DID NOT GO THROUGH THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT'S 5 TO 0. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM REQUIRING EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATIONS. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> THIS IS THE OTHER ITEM THAT I RECEIVED FROM MS. TAYLOR.

NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I HAD AN EMAIL ON THIS.

I MISCOMMUNICATED AS WELL. HERE IS NO DISCUSSION JUST A

QUESTION >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> I HAVE THE SAME EMAIL AND I ALSO HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. GREEN ASKING IF I HAD ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS AND I

DID NOT AT THAT TIME. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> MR. JOHNS: I RECONCEIVED THE SAME EMAIL AND A PHONE CALL MISS TAYLOR AND MR. GREEN AND DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR

CONCERNS. >> MR. SMITH: GOT THE SAME EMAIL AND IT WAS DECEMBER 11, 7:30 4:00 P.M.. THE APPLICANT'S

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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. >> MEGAN KEENEY PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX REZONING APPLICATION 20 1917.

NORTHWARD PROPERTIES REZONING. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONED FROM OVERALL TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL MAP, THE PARCEL IS LOCATED SOUTH OF GLENWOOD DRIVE.EST OF HOLMES BOULEVARD.

AND SOUTH OF THE KING ST. IN HOLMES INTERSECTION.

THE PROPERTY IS ALSO UNDEVELOPED.

REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 9.9 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN WORLD TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALL MIXED-USE AND INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR. THE ZONING MAP SHOWS A 9.99 ACRES REQUESTED TO BE REZONED TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.HERE ARE OTHER HIGH INTENSITY ZONINGS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE WHICH IS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST AND ACROSS NORTHWARD DRIVE TO THE NORTH AND THERE'S ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ZONING OFF TO THE EAST. BY REZONING TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE FROM THE PROPERTY WOULD LOSE AGRICULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONAL AND MINING EXTRACTION OUTDOOR PASSIVE AND SOLID WASTE BUT GAIN HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL PUBLIC SERVICE.

STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE AND LOCATED ALONG MIXED-USE AND INDUSTRIAL USES WERE APPLIED.

AS YOU CAN SEE THE COMPATIBILITY MAP THE NORTH PARCEL ÃTHE COMPATIBILITY MAP SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE COMPATIBLE SURROUNDING AREA THE SITE IS PART OF AN ASSEMBLAGE OF PORTIONS OF PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN SPLIT OFF FROM LARGE LARGER PARCELS BY THE LAKE THAT WAS CREATED FROM DIGGING A BORROW PIT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PUBLIC TO ALLOW FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE WITH COMPANION COMMERCIL USES. TO THE NORTH PARCEL IS CURRENTLY OPEN STORAGE AND VACANT COMMERCIAL.

THE WEST PARCEL IS CURRENTLY OPEN STORAGE AND VACANT INDUSTRIAL AND THEN THE EAST AND SOUTH PARCELS ARE VACANT AND OPEN WORLD. THE PLANNING ZONING AGENCY HEARD THE REQUEST DURING THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 21, 2019 THE AGENCY VOTED 7 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS PROVIDED.

STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR PHONE CALLS REGARDING THE REQUEST TO REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO APPROVAL OF REZONING APPLICATION 20 1917 NORTHWARD PROPERTIES REZONING.

STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST OF SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GOVERNANCE OF LINDIMENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AMEA PROVIDED FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT TO PROVIDE SUPPORT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MR. SMITH: ANY QUESTIONS WERE STAFFED? SEEING NONE WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING AGAIN.

KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAH ACOSTA ST. AND HENRY GREEN IS WITH ME TODAY. STEVE COULD NOT BE WITH US.

AND I WILL JUST TRY TO GO QUICKLY THROUGH THIS.

WE BASICALLY HAVE COVERED MOST OF THE INFORMATION.

IT IS ON NORTHWARD DRIVE AND AS DISCUSSED, IT IS CLOSE TO THE HOLMES KING STREET INTERSECTION AND THAT WOULD BE HOLMES BOULEVARD. THAT WOULD BE THE RAILROAD TRACK BEHIND SO IT'S IN ÃAND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE BEHIND IT THERE IS THE DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT IS BEHIND.

IT IS 9.99 ACRES AND THAT IS Ã THE REASON WE CHOSE THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THEY ACTUALLY OWN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY ACTUALLY OWN A PIECE UP TO HERE AND THIS WOULD BE THE 313 BYPASS THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN, AND THAT'S MOSTLY WETLANDS SO THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT.

THEY ALSO HAVE A PORTION OF IT THAT STAND IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND THEY HAVEN'T REALLY DETERMINED HOW TO DEVELOP THAT.

SO WE BASICALLY CHOSE THIS PARTICULAR AREA TO GET STARTED.

IT IS IN THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT.

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AND AS HEATHER POINTED OUT THERE IS IW ZONING BASICALLY ALL AROUND IT EXCEPT DOR WHICH IS THE LARGE BORROW PIT AND WE'VE GOT THE 313 COMING THROUGH.

AND THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE IN THOSE STRANGE LOTS AND IT'S AN INTERESTING LEGAL DESCRIPTION JUST AS AN ASIDE. THIS IS THE SITE.

THE SITE HAS BEEN CLEARED. IT WAS UNDER AN ORDER AT ONE POINT IN TIME FOR CLEANUP THAT HAD BEEN LASTING FOR ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS. AND SO WHEN HENRY AND STEVE BOUGHT IF THEY IMMEDIATELY GOT PERMITS TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE ALL OF THE DEBRIS AND FILL IN A BORROW PIT THAT HAD BEEN DUG WITHOUT PERMITS AND SO IF YOU DID HAPPEN TO GO BY THE SITE IT HAS BEEN TAKEN BACK TO WHERE IT WAS AT ONE POINT IN TIME.

AND THAT'S LOOKING DOWN NORTHWARD DRIVE AND WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. THAT WILL BE LOOKING TOWARDS HOLMES BOULEVARD. THAT'S GOING INTO DAVIS INDUSTRIAL PARK YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

IT'S THE GENTLEMAN THAT DOES HAVE A HOME NEXT DOOR.

IT'S HEAVILY BUFFERED AND HE HAS STORED QUITE A ÃI'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S CALLED THERE. SO THERE IT WILL BE ADEQUATELY BUFFERED FOR HIM. IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

WE ASK FOR THE CW THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL.

IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE FLEX SPACES AND TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE REALLY COMMON AND VERY MUCH IN DEMAND IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. IT IS COMPATIBLE AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES AND WE ALSO GOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. TAYLOR? SEEING NONE, WE WILL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN AT THIS TIME SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. >> MR. SMITH: WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WALDRON THIS IS

DISTRICT 3. >> MR. WALDRON: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT 2019 Ã83. REZONING 2019 Ã17 NORTHWARD PROPERTIES REZONING. APPROXIMATELY 9.99 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN WORLD TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.

BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 530 MOVING ALONG TO

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AND AUTHORIZED LAND CLEARING. >> JAN BREWER GROWTH MANAGEMENT ENVIRONMENTAL. THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM ON UNAUTHORIZED TREE REMOVAL. THE POINTER IS NOT FUNCTIONING.

THANK YOU. DURING THE OCTOBER, 2015 FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS AND UNAUTHORIZED TREE REMOVAL AND LAND CLEARING. I WANT TO STRESS THIS IS NOT THE ARTICLE 46 COMBINATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WITH STAKEHOLDERS. THIS IS STRICTLY A DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED FINES FOR TREE REMOVAL OR LAND CLEARING.

SO THE BOARD REQUESTED THAT STAFF ADDRESS SEVERAL THINGS.

WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW? HOW DO WE HANDLE UNAUTHORIZED CLEARING NOW? WHAT DO OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO IN A CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THIS AND WHAT OULD BE AN APPROPRIATE FINE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY? CURRENTLY, THE REGULATIONS REQUIRE BOTH A FINE IN THE FORM OF A DOUBLE APPLICATION FEE AND ALSO MEDICATION. SO THE DOUBLE APPLICATION FEE IS KIND OF A MOVING TARGET BECAUSE DEPENDING UPON THE APPLICATION, THE FEES ARE DIFFERENT.

AND THE ONLY TIME THIS DOUBLE APPLICATION FEE COULD BE ASSESSED IS WHEN AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED.

THERE ARE TIMES AND THERE HAVE BEEN LAND CLEARING AND TREE

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AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MEDIAN FEE IS A LITTLE OVER $1900.

SO IF HALF OF THESE APPLICATIONS ACTUALLY STARTED CLEARING WITHOUT A PERMIT, THE FINE WOULD BE $1954.

BEGINNING THE CLEARING WITHOUT A PERMIT.

IT LOOKS LIKE 88 PERCENT OF THE APPLICATIONS ARE LESS THAN $5000 AND 77 PERCENT ARE LESS THAN $3000.

SO THOSE WOULD BE DEFINED ASSESSED UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. TO DATE, WE HAVE HAD 35 SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED.

THE MEDIAN FEE IS A LITTLE OVER $3300.

SO THE FINE WOULD BE OVER $3300.

REQUIRED MITIGATION ON TOP OF THIS DOUBLE FEE PAYMENT.HE MEDICATION IS REPLACING ENTER EDGE.

YOU REMOVE A 10 INCH OPEN A NEW PLANT BACK A 10 INCH OAK.

IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO REPLANT BACK A COMBINATION OF TWO INCH TREES TO REACH THE ENTRANCE REMOVED.

IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE FIVE TWO INCH TREES.

IF YOU CAN'T REPLANT ON SITE, WE DO ALLOW A TROOP CREATE FUND PAYMENT. THAT PAYMENT IS NOT THE STANDARD $25 PER TREE EDGE. WE REQUIRE THAT IT BE ASSESSED ON IF YOU WERE PURCHASING AN EIGHT INCH TREE.

WHAT THIS REQUIRES IS STAFF TO SOLICIT THREE QUOTES ON WHAT IT WOULD BE TO BUY AN EIGHT INCH TREE AND THEN WE TAKE THE AVERAGE AND WE USE THAT IN THE CALCULATION OF THE TREE BANK FUND PAYMENT. SO WHAT DO OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO IN THESE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES THEY HAVE A TIERED APPROACH WHERE THE LARGER TREES GET A LARGER FINE.

ON THIS SLIDE YOU WILL SEE THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH HAS A STANDARD FINE. FOR ANY TREE NO MATTER WHAT SIZE IT IS IT IS A PROTECTED TREE THEY START AT $500.

THEY DO ASSESS A HIGHER FEE FOR EACH OCCURRENCE.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT DUBOIS COUNTY.

THEY DO IT SIMILAR TO HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING IT WHERE THEY DO A DOUBLE APPLICATION FEE AND THEN THEY REQUIRED THE TREE AND JUST BE MITIGATED FOR. WHAT THEY ALSO CHARGE WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE AT THIS TIME IS A FLAT FEE PER ACRE FEE.

IF YOU CANNOT DETERMINE THE EDGES OF TREE INCHES REMOVED YOU ARE THEN CHARGED A FLAT PER ACRE FEE AND THEY ARE CHARGING 15,000 Ã$50,000 PER ACRE. ON THIS SLIDE YOU WILL SEE INDIAN RIVER COUNTY.HEY DO HAVE A FEE FOR A SPECIMEN TREE.

WE DO HAVE SPECIMEN TREE PROTECTIONS AND, IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND THEY ARE CHARGED $15,000 FOR UNAUTHORIZED REMOVOF A SPECIMEN TREE.

YOU WILL ALSO SEE THE LARGER TREE THE HIGHER THE FINE IS.

THEY HAVE A PER ACRE FEE OR FINE IF YOU CLEAR AND YOU CAN'T DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF TREE INCHES REMOVED IT'S A PER ACRE FINE. AND HERE IT'S $10,000.

SO BASED ON THIS WE HAVE REVIEWED 14 SURROUNDING COUNTIES. MOST OF THEM APPROACH IT SIMILARLY WHERE YOU HAVE A FINE EITHER IN THE FORM OF AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT OR A STRICT FINE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MITGATION OF INCHES LOST. AND THOSE MITIGATION FEES VARY FROM $100-$1000. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE ONLY THREE OF THE JURISDICTION REQUIRED A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR BOARD APPROVAL OF THESE FINES.

THE OTHER 11 HAD STRICTLY AS A FINE IS ASSESSED AT THE TIME OF THE PENALTY. WE ALSO HAD TO JURISDICTIONS THAT HAD THE PER ACRE FEE OR FINE WHEN YOU CAN'T DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF TREE INCHES LOST. SO BASED ON ALL OF THIS RESEARCH AND WORK WE HAVE BEEN DOING TO DATE SEVERAL ISSUES TO CONSIDER WERE BROUGHT UP. DO WE HAVE IT PER TREE?

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SO THIS IS AN APPROACH THE BOARD MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.

REQUIRED THE TREATMENT IS TO BE MITIGATED AND THAT CAN BE MITIGATED THROUGH REPLANTING WHAT CAN BE REPLANTED ON SITE AND OF ALL OF THIS AND JUST CAN'T BE REPLANTED ON SITE, THEN WE WOULD ALLOW A TREE BANK FUND PAYMENT AND THAT TREE BUN FUND PAYMENT WOULD BE BASED ON OUR CURRENT TREE BANK FUND COST. WE WOULD ALSO REQUIRE AND FIXED FINE AND THAT FINE COULD BE PER TREE AND IT COULD BE A TIERED APPROACH. IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO LARGER TREES WOULD GET THE LARGER FINE AND NOT TO HAVE THAT FINE BE REQUIRED TO GO TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.

AND WOULD RECOMMEND OR SUGGEST WHEN TREE INCHES WHEN YOU CAN'T CALCULATE THE TREE INCHES LOST WE DETERMINE A FLAT FINE FOR UNAUTHORIZED CLEARING. SO ONE OPTION TODAY THERE IS A DISCUSSION ITEM COMING TO YOU FOR DIRECTION ONE OPTION IS TO PREPARE ORDINANCE TO GO FORWARD.

THIS IS NOT THE ARTICLE 46 COMBINATION DISCUSSION.

THIS IS A SEPARATE STANDALONE DISCUSSION ON FINES.

SO TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE COULD INCLUDE Ã THIS IS WHAT I CALL THE MENU SLIDE.

YOU COULD CHOOSE ONE OF THE FOLLOWING FOUR AND YOU WILL SEE ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE APPROACH TO CONSIDER WHICH IS MITIGATING THE INCHES BY THEY HAVE A FINE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE TREES REMOVED. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE A FINE FOR ILLEGAL CLEARING WHEN YOU CAN'T DETERMINE THE TREE INCHES LOST. REMEMBER DO ALL HAD A $50,000 FINE AND SEMINOLE HAD $10,000. WE WOULD NEED TO COME UP WITH A DOLLAR FIGURE THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO RECOMMEND A SPECIMEN TREE FINE. AGAIN IN OUR ARTICLE 4 6 NOMINATION WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE A $15,000 FINE WORKS INTO THAT.

INDIAN RIVER COUNTY HAD $15,000 AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A REASONABLE FINE FOR A SPECIMEN TREE THAT CANNOT BE REPLACED.

AND ALSO NOT TO REQUIRE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR BOARD HERE AND WE FEEL THAT THAT WOULD DELAY THE PROCESS.

WE WOULD WANT TO ASSESS THE FINE IMMEDIATELY AS IT OCCURS.

TWO OTHER THINGS CAME UP DURING THIS DISCUSSION.

ONE IS POTENTIALLY TO DELAY THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. THIS WILL ALLOW STAFF TIME TO ASSESS THE SITUATION. POSSIBLE TIMEFRAME ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 12 MONTHS. AND TO CONSIDER FINES FOR THE CONTRACTOR THAT ACTUALLY PERFORM THE WORK.

THE ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM TODAY. WE ARE LOOKING TO THE BOARD TO GIVE US DIRECTION, SOME POSSIBLE DIRECTION, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POSSIBLE APPROACH THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT TODAY. FOR ONLY THE FINES AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS A STANDALONE ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR FEE SCHEDULE AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YOU COULD ALSO DIRECT US TO GO BACK AND CONTINUE WORK ON THE 46 COMBINATION THAT HAS BEEN IN ONGOING EFFORT, HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT COMING BACK TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. THAT WILL BE A DELAY ON THAT PROCESS IF YOU CHOOSE THAT ONE OR ANY OTHER OPTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO TODAY.

AND THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. >> QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO TELL THE ADMINISTRATION THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PRESENTATIONS I LIKE TO HEAR BECAUSE WHEN I SAW WAS THE COMPARISON WITH OTHER COUNTIES WE ARE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL HERE.

I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. WE ARE TRYING TO WAIT AND GIVE

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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

I APPRECIATE STAFF TAKING SOME OF THE DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD HAD PROVIDED IMPLEMENTING. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SEE GOING FORWARD AND IN THAT COMPARISON.

LET ME JUST KIND OF MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS A CONTRACTOR FINE IF THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THAT'S BEEN HIRED TO DO A DUTY, THERE'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONTRACTOR, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE HOLDING THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A MISTAKE OR AN ERROR THERE SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER IS GIVEN THE DIRECTION THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS YOU HAVE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT HAVE SET ASIDE TIME AND SMALL BUSINESSES ARE INVOLVED IN THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT AN EIGHT MONTH DELAY WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS.

IF WE HAVE AN APPROVED PROJECT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY TO DELAY IT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MORE REALISTIC ASSESSMENT IF WE NEED 60 OR 90 DAYS TO DO AN ASSESSMENT.

HOPEFULLY DOESN'T TAKE LONGER THAN THAT.

THAT WAY WE ARE NOT BEING OVERLY PUNITIVE.

I PERSONALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF IDENTIFYING A TIERED APPROACH AND THAT WAY THERE'S MORE OF A FINE FOR A PARTICULAR SPECIMEN. WHEN A BRIDGE CANNOT BE DETERMINED, I THINK A LARGER FINE WOULD BE A DETERRENT.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT DISREGARD THE RULES AND CLEAR LAND AND SAY IT'S BEEN OUR ECONOMIC BEST INTEREST TO DO THAT AND WE WILL PAY A SMALL FINE LATER.

I THINK WHEN THAT CAMP BE DETERMINED I THINK SEMINOLE COUNTY AND YOU POLK COUNTY DO THAT.

I THINK THE FIGURES WERE 50,000 FOR DURABLE AND 15,004 SEMINOLE. I THINK WE COULD COME UP WITH A RANGE. I THINK THIS IS GREAT WORK.

THE ONLY OTHER POINT I WOULD MAKE IS ALL LIKE TO SEEÃI KNOW WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE STREET ORDINANCE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO INCLUDE THIS IF WE COULD GIVE GUIDANCE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THAT MIGHT HELP FURTHER TO THE DISCUSSION WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE.

SO THOSE ARE MY INITIAL THOUGHTS AND I WANTED TO TELL

THE BOARD THAT FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.>> WHEN PROTECTED TREES ARE CUT DOWN AND NUMEROUS SMALLER TREES ARE REQUIRED TO BE REPLACED, OR THOSE SMALLER TREES DETERMINED TO BE PROTECTED EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SMALLER?> YES.

ONCE YOU PLANT A TREE TO MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS WHETHER IT'S LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OR PROTECTED TREE BECOMES A PROTECTED TREE AT THAT TIME.

>> AND I AM ASSUMING THERE WILL BE A PROCESS TO DOCUMENT THOSE TREES ASSUMING THERE'S NO PERMIT FOLLOWING THE ILLEGAL CLEARING THAT WOULD EASILY DOCUMENT PROTECTED TREES AND PLANTED TREES ETC. IN A DESIGN PLAN WITH PERMITS.

I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A WAY TO DOCUMENT THOSE TREES SO IF SOMEBODY SELLS THE PROPERTY AFTER IT'S REPLANTED THE NEW OWNER WOULD RECOGNIZE THESE SMALLER TREES ARE ACTUALLY PROTECTED RATHER THAN WHAT WOULD BE VISIBLE

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE DO HAVE A PROCESS.

WE WOULD BRING IT IN WHAT WE CALL A NON-DRC SITE PLAN REVIEW WHICH WOULD THEN BE ENTERED INTO OUR SYSTEM AND THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS ARE CONNECTED TO THESE APPLICATIONS SO ANYTHING AFTER THAT THAT COMES IN WITH THAT PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER IS ATTACHED TO THAT APPLICATION.

>> OKAY. I AM JUST THINKING THROUGH THE EYES OF SOMEBODY WHO'S LOOKING AT PROPERTY CONSIDERING A VARIETY OF PROPERTIES BASED ON PUBLIC INFORMATION THEY COULD GATHER EITHER IN PERSON IN MEETINGS OR ONLINE THEY COULD IDENTIFY THIS BEAUTIFUL GROVE OF TREES THAT DOESN'T LOOK PROTECTED ACTUALLY IS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE FORMAL

PERMITTING PROCESS >> THAT'S CORRECT

>> I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER A TIME ELEMENT.

IT'S PURPOSELY CLEARED AND THERE'S JUST A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, IT'S EASY FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS MORE OF A LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENTS TO JUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COST OF THAT FEE AS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. MUCH AS SOMEBODY WHO MAY CHOOSE TO LET PEOPLE PARK IN THEIR YARD AND CHARGE A FEE FOR PARKING AND IF THEY GET CAUGHT, THAT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND THEY HOPE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE PARKED IN THEIR YARD AND THEY PAY THE FINE AND THEY CONTINUE TO REPEAT THE HABIT UNTIL IT GETS EITHER EXPENSIVE ENOUGH OR THERE'S SOME OTHER DISCOURAGEMENT FROM THEM CONTINUING TO PERFORM ILLEGAL ACTS ACCOUNTING FOR THE COST TO DO SO MAKING ENOUGH ETURN ON INVESTMENT IF A TIMELINE IS ALSO ATTRIBUTED ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY IS DETERMINED TO ILLEGALLY CLEAR A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN SUED DIRECTOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME DELAY WOULD ALSO BE AN EFFECTIVE DETRIMENT DISCOURAGEMENT TO CLEARING PROPERTY AND JUST PAYING THE FEE. I HAVE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THAT. OTHER COUNTIES WHERE THEY HAVE

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PAY THE FINE AND THEN LET THEM MAY BE PROVE OR DISPROVE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND THEY TOOK THEIR CHANCES.

THAT'S NOT MY CHARACTER BUT I HAVE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE RUN THOSE CALCULATIONS WHEN TIME WAS NOT A FACTOR IT WAS AN EASIER DECISION FOR THEM TO BREAK THE LAW, PAY THE FINE AND MOVE FORWARD AND TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PERMITTING PROCESS.

THAT'S WHY WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE BRIEFING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST SOME TYPE POF ADEQUATE EFFECTIVE TIME DELAY TO ALLOWING ANYTHING TO BE PERMANENT ON THAT PROPERTY.

AS AN ADDED DISCOURAGEMENT NOT PURELY FINANCIAL BUT TO PROTECT THE INTENT OF THE LAW. NOT JUST THE ACTUAL ACTIONS OF THE LAW. AND THE OTHER WOULD BE TOO HOLD A CONTRACTOR ACCOUNTABLE. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME TO SAY I HIRED THIS CONTRACTOR BECAUSE I TRUSTED THEM. THEY STATED THEY EITHER NEEDED PERMITS OR HAD DONE OR DID NOT NEED PERMITS.

THEY WERE THE EXPERT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

THEY GAVE REFERENCES A A PROPERTY OWNER I TRUSTED THEM TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND PERFORMING COMPETENT, LEGAL ACTS AND THEN AS A PROPERTY OWNER THEY RECEIVED THE FINES PAND FEES AND CEASE AND DESIST AND IT SCARED THE DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEM BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR DISAPPEARS AND THEY ARE HOLDING DEFINES AS THE PROPERTY OWNER, NOT EXPECTED TO BE THE ONE WHO IS REQUIRED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE. THEY WERE HIRING SOMEBODY TO BE THAT COMPETENT GUIDE TO THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

IF A PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO BE ACQUIRED BY A PROPERTY OWNER THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD REQUEST A COPY OF THAT PERMIT BEFORE THEY PERFORM ANY ACTS. IF THAT CONTRACTOR PORTRAYS HIMSELF AS THE COMPETENT INDIVIDUAL TO ACQUIRE PERMITS OR A SHORT SOMEBODY THAT PERMITS ARE NOT REQUIRED, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS LIKELY NOT EXPERIENCED AND DOES NOT KNOW WHERE TO GO YOU HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND AN ENGINEER YOU HIRE SOMEONE WITH THE EXPECTATION THEY EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE TO GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS LEGALLY.

AND THAT HAPPENED IN ALL TWO OF THEM FREQUENTLY WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER TRUST SOMEBODY AND ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS THEY PERFORM IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY AND THEN THEY DISAPPEAR SHOULD THEY GET CAUGHT.

SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THE REASONS I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THOSE ITEMS, BUT LET'S BE REAL. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, OF ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS AND QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS WE HAVE HAD LESS

THAN 10 MAY BE LESS THAN FIVE >> WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING

THREE >> THREE ITEMS WHERE THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A PURPOSEFUL ILLEGAL ACTION IN OUR COUNTY.

I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND LIKE THIS IS RAMPANT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE SKY IS FALLING AND WE HAVE TO GET HOLD OF IT RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE TIME TO ADDRESS THIS TO DISCUSS IT. WHEN WE MAKE A DECISION TODAY OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE COMPARISONS TO OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES TO FIND WHAT WOULD BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE WHAT APPEARS TO BE REASONABLE BUT ALSO EFFECTIVE IN A MULTITUDE OF ACTIONS.

AN EQUALLY IMPORTANT EASILY ENFORCEABLE.

IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL TIME OR MANPOWER AND PAPERWORK. KEEP IT SIMPLE BUT EFFECTIVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE EFFORTS OF YOU AND ALL OF THE STAFF THAT HAVE PUT THIS TOGETHER TO DISCOURAGE THE VERY FEW INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE BAD ACTORS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SEE REPEATEDLY IN OUR COUNTY AS AN ACTUAL ILLEGAL ACT. THERE MAY BE CONCERNS OR PERCEPTIONS BUT I WANT TO APPLAUD THE MAJORITY OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO PERFORM WORK IN OUR COUNTY LEGALLY AND ETHICALLY. WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM.ND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR COMMUNICATING TO PROPERTY OWNERS, CONTRACTORS, ETC. EFFECTIVELY SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL PROCESSES ARE AND THEY HAVE AN OVERWHELMINGLY MAJORITY BEEN FOLLOWING THAT PROCESS. THANK YOU, MR. JARED.

>> COMMISSIONER JONES I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND NOT TO REITERATE SOME BUT I KNOW YOU NEED ÃI LIKE TTHE HIGHER FIND PER ACRE AND THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT IN OTHER PLACES I WOULD CARE TOWARDS A $50,000 FINE.

I DO LIKE THE HIGHER FIND WE ARE WORKING ON THE SPECIMEN TREES. THE 15,000.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID IT WAS.

I ALSO THINK THERE SHOULD BE A DELAY UNTIL THE FINE IS PAID AND MAYBE THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS PENALTY.

I DO LIKE THE TIERED APPROACH FOR FINES AND I THINK THE CONTRACTOR IN THESE CASES WE HOLD AIR CONDITIONER CONTRACTOR

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AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE WE FINISH UP ON FOUR AND SIX BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON MAP FOR TWO YEARS NOW AND I DON'T SEE AN END IN SIGHT ANYTIME SOON.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> MR. BLOCKER: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO COMMISSIONER JOHN'S COMMENTS I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL. THE REASON THREE OF THESE JURISDICTIONS HAVE ACE NATIONAL MAGISTRATE IS TO DETERMINE WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE HOW ARE WE GOING TO ASSESS WHETHER IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE CONTRACTOR WHO MESSED UP? HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE THAT? WE GOING TO PUT STUFF IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO ACT LIKE LAWYERS AND JUDGES. THAT'S WHY SEVERAL OF HIS COUNTIES HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO DETERMINE THIS.

THEN WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE THE OWNER TAKES RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL. IF I HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO DO A JOB I DON'T KNOW THAT UNDER THE LAW I CAN JUST SAY LOOK, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS STRESSING THIS PERSON.

THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY. THAT IS A CIVIL MATTER THAT POTENTIALLY YOU GO TO COURT AND RESOLVE.

WE NEED TO E CAREFUL WE ARE NOT PUTTING SELF IN A POSITION TO DETERMINE THAT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE STAFF TIME, MORE HOURS. I THINK THAT PUTS US AS A GOVERNMENT MORE AND A WORLD WE DON'T WANT TO DO.

WE WENT TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

IF A PROPERTY OWNER IS HIRING SOMEONE TO DO WORK BETTER WEATHER IS A MAJOR DEVELOPER OR MOM-AND-POP THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT FALL THROUGH.

IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY AND YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR DO SOMETHING WRONG AND THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON THAT.

WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.

IF WE ARE GOING TO GO FOR DIRECTION, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR SOME WAY TO ASSESS THAT SOME ARE NOT PUTTING OUR STAFF MAKING LEGAL DETERMINATION.

>> I TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER'S LAST COMMENT. MY EXPERIENCE, I HAVE TO RELY ON THIS AND LOOK BACK ON WHAT IT'S ÃWE LOOK TO THE UNDERLYING FEE OWNER OR THE CONTRACT OWNER SOMEONE WHO HAD AN OPTION TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AS A RESPONSIBLE PARTY. IF HE CHOOSES TO GO AGAINST THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S A CIVIL MATTER.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE LOOK TO THE UNDERLYING LAND OWNER OR CONTRACT OWNER TO BE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE.

I TEND TO AGREE WITH MOST OF HIS COMMENTS AS TO THE TREE PSIZE, THE INCREASE PER FIND PERJURY.

I WOULD SAY THAT WE PROBABLY COULD HIT A GOOD COMPROMISE ON THE LENGTH OF TIME MAYBE 3 TO 6 MONTHS.

I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR TIME.

IF WE DO RELY ON OR IF WE HOLD THE UNDERLYING FEE OWNER RESPONSIBLE I WAS THINKING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO JUST HAVE THE STAFF ADMINISTER THE CIVIL PENALTY.

BUT THE VIOLATOR OR THE LANDOWNER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THE BOARD.

SO THERE WOULD BE AN OPEN DISCUSSION AND WE COULD MAKE THE DETERMINATION AND AS SOMEONE SAID EARLIER WE ARE TALKING PROBABLY MORE THAN FIVE OR SIX VIOLATIONS IN YOUR MAXIMUM THAT WOULD COME TO US AND SO I THINK THAT COVERS MOST

OF MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

DEAN. >> MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE GEARED TOWARDS STAFF AND LEGAL. IF WE GO WITH THE CONTRACTOR QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THAT, CANNOT BE LOOKED AT YOU BOARD

MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? >> MR. CHAIR, THE CONTRACTORS REVIEW BOARD ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS TYPE OF TREE CUTTING SERVICE.

THERE SURE STANDARD STATE CONTRACTORS AND THEN THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL ONES IN THE CONTRACTORS REVIEW BOARD ORDINANCE. SO WE CAN ALWAYS TALK WITH HT TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF LICENSURE THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY WOULD REQUIRE THE CURRENT WAY IS NOT INCLUDED UNDER

>> IF I MAY ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK IF I MADE TO COMMISSIONER DEAN'S COMMENT. TRADITIONALLY CODE ENFORCEMENT TYPE ACTIVITIES HAVE NOT GONE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CHAPTER 162 WHICH IS SORT OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCE AND IT'S WHAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT CHAPTER AND IT'S WHAT THE COUNTIES CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCE IS BASED ON AND OTHER PENALTIES. I THINK THERE'S A PRACTICAL

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IT CAN GO TO THE COUNTY COURT BUT I THINK FOR PENALTIES AND ASSESSING FINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS THEY ARE SITTING HERE NOW I WOULD GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN BUT AS I'M SITTING HERE NOW I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO CHANGE THE SORT OF PROCESS OF CODE ENFORCEMENT NOT GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUT AGAIN, IT Ã APPEALABLE TO THE COUNTY COURT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION AND I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND HAD TO PREPARE FOR IT. IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT UNAUTHORIZED LAND CLEARING ON GUN CLUB ROAD WHICH IS PROBABLY THE IMPETUS FOR THIS DISCUSSION, WHAT FINES AND WHAT COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PENALTY TODAY? I MEAN, WE DOUBLED THE FEE. WHAT WAS THAT THEY COMMIT

>> WE DOUBLED THE FEE. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE COST TO REPLACE? IS IT GOING TO BE REPLANTED? HE DID HAVE AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED THE VERY NEXT DAY FOR A SUBDIVISION. THERE HAD BEEN OLDER APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND NOT EXPIRED AND THIS NEW INDIVIDUAL CAME FORWARD AND WAS WANTING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND STARTED CLEARING PRIOR TO ANY SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION.

HE DID SUBMIT HIS APPLICATION FOR A SUBDIVISION.

HIS FINE, THE DOUBLE FEE CAME TO $3616.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ASSESSING RIGHT NOW WITH THE EARLIER APPLICATION THERE HAD BEEN.

IN THIS INSTANCE WE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT IF ANY PROTECTED TREES WERE REMOVED AT THE TIME OF THIS LAND CLEARING.

I HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK WHERE WE WILL SIT DOWN WITH THE TREE SURVEY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IF THERE ARE ANY TREES TAKEN DOWN PROTECTED TREES, PRIOR TO THEIR APPLICATION APPROVAL, THAT WILL GET THE EIGHT INCH TREE FIGURE FOR A TREE BANK FUND PAYMENT. WE WILL HAVE TO SOLICIT THREE QUOTES, FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DOLLAR FIGURE IS TO BUY AN EIGHT INCH TREE AND THEN APPLY THAT AS THE FEE WHEN WE ARE CALCULATING A TREE BANK FUND PAYMENT.

THAT WILL BE INVOLVED. AND THEN THE REST OF THE APPLICATION MOVES FORWARD AS A STANDARD APPLICATION.

>> THERE IS NO ESTIMATE TODAY AND WHAT THOSE EIGHT INDUSTRIES

WILL BE? >> NOT TO DATE.

THERE HIRED TO INDIVIDUAL THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO COME OUT AND IDENTIFY TREES. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE SAYING NO TREES WERE TAKEN DOWN NO PROTECTED TREES WERE TAKEN DOWN. WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS TAKEN DOWN ON THAT PROPERTY.

THEY ARE CLAIMING NO PROTECTED TREES WERE TAKEN DOWN.

SO THERE WOULD NOT BE THAT ADDITIONAL TREE BANK FUND

REALLY PAYMENT. >> THAT'S WHERE IT COMES DOWN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THE COMPLICATIONS OF STAFF'S INVOLVEMENT IN THAT KIND OF THING. I WANT IT TO BE A FUNCTIONAL AND EFFECTIVE DETERRENT TO THAT BEHAVIOR.

AND I JUST THINK THAT A FLAT FEE WOULD BE THE SIMPLEST AND GREATEST DETERRENT TO ADMIRABLE TRAVEL QUICKLY.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO GO BACK TO THE LANDOWNER.

HE SHOULD BE IN CHARGE ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME ÃYOU PRESENTED GOOD ARGUMENTS IN REGARD TO THAT BOTH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND WALDRON. I STILL BELIEVE THE LANDOWNER SHOULD BE LIABLE AT THIS POINT. THE OTHER THING IS IN REGARD TO A TIME DELAY. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER SOME OF THESE ARE NOT APPLICABLE. A TIME DELAY WOULD NOT BE AY BE A DETERRENT IN SOME CASES BUT MAY NOT BE IN ALL CASES. AND OUT OF THE THREE THAT YOU HAVE NOW, HOW MANY WOULD THAT BE A TREMENDOUS ASSISTANCE IN

DETERRING THIS BAD BEHAVIOR? >> ONLY ONE.

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>> ONLY ONE OUT OF THE THREE. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET TO KIND OF A COMMON GROUND IN REGARD TO A FLAT FEE, IF IT'S PER ACRE OR PER TREE OR A TEAR APPROACH BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE IN THE FORE FRONT OF OUR MINDS BUT I WANTED EFFECTIVE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, THIS LAST TIME IT WAS NOT EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ÃTHE PAIN DID NOT EXCEED ÃTHE COST WAS NOT WHAT THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE FOREFRONT.

NOW IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION WE WILL

MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MR. BLOCKER: WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> ED SLAVIN SAINT AUGUST GREE . I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON NAILED IT.

TO CALCULATE THIS AS PART OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN THE HISTORY OF THIS REGION IT'S HAPPENED AGAIN AND AGAIN.

AND I INTERVIEWED IN 2006 THE FORMER EPA REGIONAL ADMINISTRATOR JOHN HENRY HANKINSON, JUNIOR, A FRIEND OF COMMISSIONER DEAN'S WHO HE WORKED WITH FOR YEARS AND HE EXPLAINED THEY GO IN AND CUT DOWN CYPRESS TREES.

YEARS BEFORE THEY WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING AND THEN THEY SAY IT'S NO WETLAND. YOU'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE PATHOLOGICAL LIARS AND DEVELOPERS LIKE OUR PRESIDENT IS ABOUT TO BE IMPEACHED. ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE IT A CRIME. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CRIMES. LET'S NT TIPTOE AROUND ENVIRONMENTAL AND CORPORATE CRIMES WAS REFERRED THE CASES TO THE STATES ATTORNEY FOR POTENTIAL PROSECUTION FOR CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE OUR TREE ORDINANCE.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS WE NEED TO PUT TEETH IN THIS NOT JUST FINES. YOU DON'T HAVE CIVIL PENALTIES FOR CRIMES. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR CRIMES AGAINST NATURE IS ROBERT KENNEDY JUNIOR PUT IN HIS BOOK.

WE NEED TO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENTS LIKE THEY DO ELSEWHERE. THERE NEEDS TO BE JAIL TIME FOR CONTRACTORS AND DEVELOPERS WHO DO THIS.

EVERY YEAR SHERIFF SURE HAS A STING AND HE ARRESTED PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN ILLEGAL CONTRACTING WITHOUT A LICENSE.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO BE A TREE KILLER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? THAT DOG WON'T HUNT.

THAT'S PEAKS SO MUCH OF THE CORRUPTION IN THIS COUNTY.

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. NOW I AM CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CASE OF ARMORY VERSUS DELL MARY WHICH IS THE FIRST CASE WE PROBABLY RIGHT IN PROPERTY LAW AND LAW SCHOOL IN 1722 CASE AND THE CASE HELD THAT WHERE SOMEONE STOLE A JEWEL FROM A CHIMNEY SWEEP, THAT THE COURT WOULD INFER THE JUDGE IN THAT CASE INFERRED THAT THE LARGEST STONE THAT COULD SIT ON THAT SETTING WAS THE ONE THAT WAS STOLEN.

THAT'S WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO HERE.

LET'S ASSUME THAT THE ÃIF WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE HOW BIG THE TREES WERE THAT WERE KILLED LET'S ASSUME THE BIGGEST ONES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN WERE KILLED.

LET'S HAVE DUE PROCESS. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.

THERE'S REALLY GOOD MAGISTRATES AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ACTUAL COURT NOT ONLY CIVIL COURT ADMINISTRATIVE LAW COURT BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

WE NEED TO PUT THE FEAR OF CRIMINAL LAW INTO THESE DEVELOPERS AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGISLATURE LIMIT THEIR PEOPLE ADVERTISING ON FACEBOOK SAYING WE COULD KILL ANYTHING.

JUST LET US KNOW. YOUR STAFF DIDN'T DO ENOUGH.

THEY CITE A SINGLE LAW REVIEW AND THERE ONLY LOOKING AT SURROUNDING CALORIES. HAVE THEM ACTUALLY USE LEGAL TERMS AND LEGAL KNOWLEDGE. LET'S HAVE LAW REVIEW ARTICLES AND SCHOLARSHIP. THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA MANNER? PUBLIC COMMENT?R. CHAIRMAN, NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL CLOSE AT THIS TIME.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> MR. BLOCKER: ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO AS A BOARD IS LOOK AT A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE NOT TO ADD LAYERS OF GOVERNMENT TO THIS AND MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO DO THAT. THE FINES THAT WOULD BE COLLECTED FROM THE THREE OR FOUR TIMES YOU WOULD PAY FOR THAT. RESPONSIBILITY BUT LAWYERS AND ST. AUGUSTINE ARE ST. JOHNS COUNTY VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME TO DO THAT AND MAYBE WE COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND ESTABLISH A FEE SCHEDULE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STAFF MAYBE GE MORE ÃI AM FAMILIAR WITH THE THREE COUNTIES THAT HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. I'VE READ SOME OF THEIR MATERIALS AND HOW THEY ARE ORGANIZED.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE IF THE BOARD AGREES AND DIRECTS SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT MAYBE THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD

GO TO HELP WITH CLIENTS. >> THANK YOU.

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YOU HAD SAID YOU PREFER A FLAT FEE AND IS THAT A FLAT FEE FOR A SMALL TREAT, MEDIUM AND LARGE?

>> I THINK THE COMBINATION SOMETIMES YOU NOT KNOW WAS THERE. YOU HAD A FLAT FEE FOR OTHER COUNTIES JUST PER ACRE HERE PER SQUARE FOOT SEE ACTUALLY COULD BE BROUGHT DOWN TO THAT AND WILL BE REMOVED.

THEN WHEN YOU DO KNOW IT WAS THERE WAS A TIERED APPROACH I THINK FROM THE SIZE OF TREE. AND I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON BROUGHT THAT UP AS WELL AS A DETERRENT AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT SIMPLE SO A FLAT FEE ON THAT WHICH IS NOT DETERMINABLE WHAT IT WAS IN THE PAST PER ACRE AND THAT WHICH IS TO BE A TIERED APPROACH ON A PRICE PER TREE.

>> THE TIRED APPROACH WOULD BE WHEN WE KNOW WHAT TREE WAS CUT DOWN WHAT SIZE, TWO, FOUR, 6 TIERED APPROACH A FLAT FEE IF WE DID NOT KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I AGREE WITH.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS HEARING WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING. >> YES, SIR.

>> I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION.

I DO THINK OBVIOUSLY, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY OWNER, EVERYONE THAT IS A PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PROPERTY. EVEN IN THE UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT IF SOMEBODY DUMPS GARBAGE ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANUP.

IT MAY BE THE PERSON THAT DUMPED IT MAY BE RESPONSIBLE AS WELL. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE PROPERTY OWNER CERTAINLY HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE CONTRACTOR OFF OF THE TABLE AT THIS POINT.

I DO THINK THAT. TYPICALLY CONTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, THEY DO ÃTHEY DO THE SERVICE EVERY DAY.

THEY PERHAPS ARE NOT JUST CONSTRUCTIVELY AWARE OF WHAT THE LAW IS BUT ACTUALLY AWARE OF WHAT THE LAW IS.

IT'S NOT A PERFECT ANALOGY, BUT FOR AN ELECTRICIAN IF A PROPERTY OWNER ASKS AN ELECTRICIAN TO COME AND DO SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT TO CODE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER AT SOME POINT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.UT THE CONTRACTOR, THE ELECTRICIAN, CERTIFIED OR NOT OR LICENSED OR NOT ALSO WOULD FACE SOME RESPONSIBILITY. SO I WOULD ASK FOR TODAY ÃTHE BOARD WILL DIRECT AS IT DIRECTS, BUT DO NOT TODAY TAKE OFF THE TABLE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR I THINK TO LET STAFF AND THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DO A LITTLE MORE REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE MECHANISM WHICH I THINK COULD BE HELPFUL IN THAT REGARD.

THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO JUST KIND OF HOME IN ON THIS SO WE COULD GIVE YOU VERY SPECIFIC DIRECTIVES. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS ASK QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD AND IF YOU COULD MAYBE BRING IT TO A YAY OR NAY. GOING FORWARD WITH THE DESIRE OF THE EMERGENCY FUND WOULD BE. LET ME JUST ÃI AM ALL OVER MY PAPER HERE SO I WILL TRY TO TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME AND IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING HELPED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET GOOD CLEAR DIRECTION NUMBER ONE, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE CONTRACTOR AS WELL IS THE PROPERTY OWNER? WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?

YES OR NO? >> ALL IN FAVOR YAY? NAY? NAY IT IS.

WE ARE UNDERLYING PROPERTY OWNER AT THIS POINT.

TIME DELAY. ANYBODY ÃWHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE ON A TIME DELAY COMPONENT? ALL IN FAVOR SAY YES.

YES HAS IT A TIME DELAY COMPONENT WILL BE A PART.

WHAT ABOUT FEE STRUCTURE, A FLAT FEE TIERED PERJURY ON THAT WHICH IS KNOWN A PER ACRE IS UNKNOWN.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY YES >> A POST? SO IT WILL BE A FLAT TIERED FOR THAT.

FIND PARAMETERS. DO WE HAVE ALL THAT PER ACRE THERE WAS A BIG TWIST SEMINOLE AND DUBOIS COUNTIES 10,000 VERSUS 50,000. THERE'S A PERFECT WHAT'S THE

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>> I LIKE THE COST PER AREA REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF

TREES THAT ARE CUT. >> JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE

>> TO KEEP IT SIMPLE >> THE COST PER AREA.

JUST A COST PER AREA AND DO A COST PER AREA WHATEVER IT IS

>> THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO WEIGH IN AND CONFIRM OR REFUTE THAT WOULD BE EQUALLY EASY TO MANAGE

>> IF IT TURNS OUT THAT MY PERSPECTIVE IS AN ACCURATE FOR

REALITY. >> YES.

IF WE HAVE A COST PER AREA, THAT'S EASILY CALCULATED.

AND IF WE HAVE A COST PER TREE, WE COULD CALCULATE THAT TOO, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE STAFF TO GO OUT IF THERE WERE SOME SLAPPER TREES REMAINING ON THE PROPERTY, MEASURE AND DO A CALCULATION THAT WAY. SO COST PER AREA WOULD BE LESS

STAFF TIME. >> AND I DON'T WANT TO STRAIN AT GNATS RIGHT NOW BUT HOW WOULD YOU DO AN AREA? WOULD IT BE TOO THE TRIP LINE OF THE TREE?

HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES. WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE THE AREA OF LAND CLEARED BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A TREE REMAINING BUT EVERYTHING AROUND THAT TREE WAS CLEARED OUT SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF SOME SMALLER TREES WERE UNDER THE 20 INCH OAK AND THAT WOULD HAVE ALSO HAVE BEEN PROTECTED SO THERE WOULD BE ISSUES THERE IN CALCULATING AND TRYING TO DETERMINE THE AREA

>> THAT'S WHERE IT COMES TO A JUDGMENT CALL WHERE I THINK WE WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT. ALL IN FAVOR OF A FLAT PART AREA FINE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I SHOULD OPPOSED NAY? IT WOULD BE A AREA ANYBODY FOR A TIERED APPROACH? SPEAK NOW OR WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

ALL RIGHT. >>

>> ONLY FOR THOSE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS CUT DOWN ÃIN MY MIND I SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TWO INCH DIAMETER TREE AND A SIX INCH DIAMETER TREE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CANOPY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE CALLED ME AND TALK TO ME ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CANOPY. AND THAT, TO ME, RELATES TO A FOUR, SIX, EIGHT INCH DIAMETER TRUNK AND SO I, AS WE KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN CHOPPED DOWN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TIERED APPROACH.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

A TIERED APPROACH FOR WHAT IS KNOWN, A FLAT FIND FOR WHAT'S UNKNOWN. THAT'S JUST WHAT ÃWHERE I'M

COMING FROM. >> ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS A PREFERENCE THERE.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE REST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD? DO YOU WANT A TIERED APPROACH WHERE THE KNOWN TREES OR KEEP IT A FLAT FEE? PER ACRE?

OR PER AN AREA? >> I AGREE WITH A TIERED

APPROACH FOR KNOWN TREES. >> SO WE'VE INSERTED THAT BACK IN. IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IS SHAKING THEIR HEADS IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> IT COULD BE ONE TREE YOU KNOW IT MIGHT COVER A LARGER

AREA. >> THE OTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS DEFINITELY AN INCREASE IN SPECIMEN AND THE VALUE OF A SPECIMEN TREE THAT PARTICUAR DESIGNATION HAVING A HIGHER VALUE ASSIGNED TO IT. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? TO HAVE AN INCREASED FINE ON THAT I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS $15,000 FOR A SPECIMEN TREE.

>> CRACKED. IT WAS 15 AND WE CURRENTLY ARE WORKING IN THE FOUR, SIX COMBINATION AND WE HAD A FEW FINES IN THEIR AND THAT WAS ALSO $15,000.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT? >> I WOULD SUPPORT A HIGHER SIGN FOR IDENTIFIED SPECIMEN TREE.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

A POST, NAY? THAT WILL BE IN THIS AS WELL.

IN REGARD TO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

SOME KIND OF ÃSTAFF DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT BUT I HAVE HEARD TWO LAWYERS APPEAR RECOMMEND A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED, NAY? I WILL GO NAY AS WELL.

SO JUST FROM A MAJORITY STANDPOINT WE WILL NOT INCLUDE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. IS THERE ANYTHING AND LIVING OFF?ND I KNOW I AM. PLEASE DON'T HESITATE

>> MR. CHAIR, THE POSSIBILITY OF A CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCE.

>> CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCE. TO MAKE THAT ÃYES.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT STAFF IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEED A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IF WE ARE TAKING A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OFF THE TABLE, I WOULD SAY NO TO THE CRIMINAL ÃHOWEVER, SPEAKING FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, I DO THINK THAT OTHER COUNTIES DO HAVE SOME CRIMINAL STATUTES THAT GO INTO PLAY. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. IF YOU HAVE ÃIT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE LAW TO HOLD THE CRIMINAL LIABLE.

MY CONCERN IS HOW WE GOING TO ASSESS THAT WITHOUT A SPECIAL

MAGISTRATE. >> IF I MAY ANSWER THAT.

THE COUNTY DOES HAVE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT HAVE CRIMINAL PENALTIES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE SEXUAL PREDATORS NEAR CHILDREN AREAS AND PARTS IS CRIMINAL, ESSENTIALLY A CRIMINAL INFRACTION AND THE MANNER OF CRIMINAL. SO IT WILL GO THAT WAY.

IF THE BOARD SHOULD CHOOSE TO HAVE A CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCE I THINK IT CAN BE DRAFTED IN THE TYPE OF FORMAT.

ASK COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> IN THE EFFORT TO KEEP THIS SIMPLE WE ARE EXPERIENCING, I WOULD SAY LET'S GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW BEFORE CONSIDERING CREATING A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO SEE IF WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED IS EFFECTIVE AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN ADD A CRIMINAL ELEMENT INTO IT IF NEEDED TO BE

EFFECTIVE. >> TO ADAPT IT AND AMENDED LATER IN THE FUTURE POINT IF NECESSARY.

>> I SUPPORT THAT. OKAY.

SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT SCRIBBLE DID NOT GET TO THEIR BOARD THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED?

>> RETIMING. >> THE LENGTH AND DURATION OF

THE TIME. >> IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO EITHER WAIT UNTIL WE ENACT THE CHANGES OF FOUR AND SIX WERE TO DO

THIS. >> I THINK IT SHOULD BE SEPARATE. IN MY OPINION IT'S A SEPARATE TRACT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY Ã THAT'S MY OPINION IT SHOULD BE ON ITS OWN COURSE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE

ANYTHING? >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS IT MAY BE HELPFUL. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME

FROM MIC] >> WE HAVE INTERESTED PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE IF WE COULD SHOW SOME WORK THAT WOULD BE MY

ONLY THOUGHT TO SHARE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> MR. JOHNS: I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

IF WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT [INDISCERNIBLE] I MAKE AN OMISSION I MISHEARD YOU EARLIER REGARDING CONTRACTORS'S LIABILITY. I DID NOT HEAR THAT ACCURATELY.

I WOULD LIKE A SPECIAL WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE CONTRACTORS IN THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ENSURING A PERMIT IS REQUIRED EVEN IF IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER THE CONTRACTOR SHALL PERFORM WORK ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY IF THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF A PERMIT THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED BY SOMEBODY AND THEY SHOULD BE HELD COMPLICIT IN THE ACTS THAT ARE PERFORMED ILLEGALLY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ÃEVEN IF I'M THE ONLY ONE, INCLUDE THE CONTRACTOR ANY FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, NOT JUST THE

OWNER. >> LET ME BACK UP YOUR FOR JUST A MINUTE. WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WE ARE DISCUSSING AT THIS POINT.

AND LET ME JUST HANDLE ONE AT A TIME AND WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT ONE. FIRST OF ALL, THE TINY DASHBOARD THE ASSOCIATION OF THIS WITH FOUR AND SIX.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD DESIRES? OR DO YOU DESIRE TO KEEP US SEPARATE AND ON ITS OWN TRACK? ALL IN FAVOR OF TYING IT TO FOUR AND SIX SIGNIFYBY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED, NAY.

THE NASCENT HABIT. NOW GOING BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR, MISS BREWER, I THINK WAS IT UNANIMOUS NOT TLUD

THE CONTRACTOR? >> YES.

>> AND COMMISSIONER JONES WANTS IT TO BE UNDERSTOOD HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT IN. IS THERE ANY CHANGE OF HEART ALTHOUGH WOULD YOU LIKE TO INCLUDE THE CONTRACTOR I PUT IT AS BEING THE SOLE UNDERLYING RESPONSIBLE DIVISIONAL.

IS THERE ANY DESIRE TO GO BACK TO INCLUDE THE CONTRACTOR? COMMISSIONER JOHNS WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAJORITY SAYS NO WE WILL MOVE ON WITH JUST THE PROPERTY OWNER.

IN REGARD TO DIRECTIVE AND REGARD TO TIME AND BRING IN THAT BACKUP, THE TIME DELAY. I MEAN, WE HAVE THERE BETWEEN

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MONTHS, ANY PREFERENCE THERE? >> I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF INTERACTION WITH A PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD TO ACQUIRE A PERMIT IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF IT TAKES MONTHS TO ACQUIRE A PERMIT AND WE SAY ONE MONTH, IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT.

>> IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE PERMIT.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT. IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE PERMIT YOU ARE SEEKING. WE REVIEWED THINGS VERY QUICKLY. AND WE HAVE TIME FRAMES THAT WE GO BY. SO IT WOULD NOT BE UNUSUAL FOR SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR APPLICATION OR THE PERMIT WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO I WOULD AT LEAST RECOMMEND MAYBE SOMEWHERE OVER 3 TO 6 SOMEWHERE AROUND IN THAT

TIMEFRAME. >> I WILL PROFFER SIX MONTHS.

>> PROFFERED SIX MONTHS ASIDE AGREED BY THE BOARD? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

OPPOSED, NAY. SIX MONTHS IT IS.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> THAT'S IT.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR COLLEGIAL EFFORTS IN THIS MATTER, AND I THINK IT WAS PROFITABLE DISCUSSION. MISS BREWER, IS THAT ADEQUATE

FOR YOU? >> YES, IT IS.>> IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED SPECIFIC DIRECTION WOULD COMMIT

>> I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN ME EXCELLENT DIRECTION WE WILL GO BACK AND BRING THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD SORT OF IN A FINAL

FORMAT. >> THANKYOU VERY MUCH.

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WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 AND I BELIEVE Ã

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. AGENDA ITEM 8 HERE IS THE BACKGROUND. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS ALREADY AT ONCE SO AS YOU ARE PLANNING A ZONING AGENCY THIS IS THE THIRD HEARING. IF YOU SHOULD APPROVE THE SECOND GO INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND BECOME PERMANENT. SOME OF THESE ITEMS YOU HAVE SEEN AND YOU SUGGESTED WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THESE NON-ZONING VARIANCES AND THE LIKE.

CAN YOU LOOK AT THE CODE AND CAN YOU MAYBE REDUCE THESE REQUESTS WHILE STILL MEETING THE INTENT BEHIND THEM? AND THEN THERE WAS OTHER ITEMS WE ADDED IN HERE THAT WE THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO JUST QUICKLY MATRIX THREE VISION THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED FROM STAFF OR PROPOSED FROM STAFF. FRONT YARD SETBACKS, AND REQUESTS. BUILDING RESTRICTION LINES, SOME CLARITY THERE. REDUCTION AND MULTIFAMILY PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SOME ACCESS EASEMENT STANDARDS, RELIEF. SOME RIGID STRUCTURE ALONG MAILBOXES LOCATED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

EXTEND A BIT OF OUR NOTICING REQUIREMENTS AND THEN SOME DEFINITIONS. SO FIRST OFF, SOMETIME WE HAVE HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW IT IS TO NAVIGATE OUR CODE AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE CHALLENGING.

SO WE HAVE PUT IN BASICALLY A MAJOR OPTION AND WE HAVE NOT REMOVED OR CHANGED ANY OF THE USES IN ARTICLE 2 OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT MAY BE MORE USER-FRIENDLY WHEN YOU CAN MATCH UP THINGS AND IN A TABULAR FORM.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF THE ALLOWANCES.

HERE IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. YOU FIND OUT THE ZONING DISTRICT AND YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS LENGTHY PARAGRAPH.

WE WILL STILL HAVE THAT, BUT NOW YOU WILL HAVE THIS MATRIX TO LOOK THROUGH. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EASIER IF THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC USE IN LINE THEY CAN USE THAT.

AND MAYBE EASIER FOR STAFF AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.

WE DO GET RELATIVE HIGH NUMBER OF PUD APPLICATIONS REQUESTING RELIEF TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

SO OUR CODE SAYS FOR PUD'S IT'S A 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.

TO THE FACE OF THE GARAGE. STAFF SAYS HEY MAYBE WE CAN COME TO THE NON-GARAGE SIDE AND I HAVE A DIAGRAM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I EXPLAINED IT VERY WELL.

BUT THE NON-GARAGE SIDE WOULD COME TO 15 FEET INSTEAD OF 20.

IN TURN YOU WOULD MOVE THAT GARAGE SETBACK BACK.

THIS WOULD ACTUALLY HELP WITH SOME OF THE COMMON COMPLAINTS WE GET WITH LARGER VEHICLES AND EVERYBODY HAS LARGER VEHICLES COMING ACROSS THE SIDEWALK WHICH YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO AND THEY CALL THE LAW. HOPEFULLY IT WOULD RELIEVE SOME COMPLAINTS.ND THAT WAS FEEDBACK FROM YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK, WOULD NOT BE IMPAIRING THE YOU - WALKWAY.

IF I COULD GO TO THE SLIDE, THE LAST SLIDE BEHIND THE SEAL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. OR I WILL DO IT.

JUST SO YOU CAN GET A FEEL. ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE SIDEWALK RIGHT HERE TO THE RIGHT AND THAT JUST TELLS YOU YOU NEED 25 FEET SO YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE CARS THERE AND MAYBE NOT EXTENDING OUTWARD.

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AND THEN THERE'S THE AVERAGE LENGTH WITH THE TRUCK.

WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINES THE DRL'S. THEY ARE PLOTTING TECHNICALITY AND THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SETBACK LINES ON OLD PLATS.

WE WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S UNSURE WHAT TO DO. IF WE DO HAVE A PRL IT'S CLEARLY ON THERE FROM A PLANT THAT PREDATES 1999 WHICH IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT SETBACK IF THERE IS NO PRL ON SOME OF THESE OLDER PLOTS WE WOULD REVERT TO THE CODE AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE GIST OF IT SO THAT WOULD BE OUR SUGGESTION THERE. SO WE MOVE ÃIT SAYS TOWNHOME BUT IT'S MULTIFAMILY PARKING WHICH INCLUDES APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES, CONDOMINIUMS, THEY ARE SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE SPACES. CURRENTLY WE REQUIRE TWO SPACES. WITHIN THAT PARKING DRIVEWAY, THE IT MANUAL WHICH IS BASICALLY THE ENGINEERING MANUALS AS IF YOU HAV ONE TO 2 BEDROOMS MAYBE YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH 1.5 SPACES AND MORE THAN TWO BEDROOMS WE WOULD STAY WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE TWO PARKING SPACES REQUIRED THERE.

IN ADDITION, TO KIND OF MAKE UP FOR ANY GAPS YOU WOULD RETAIN ONE ADDITIONAL SPACE PER FOUR DWELLING UNITS WHICH IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IS GUEST PARKING WHEREVER THEY PLACE IT WITHIN THE MULTIFAMILY. THAT'S A SUGGESTION WE'VE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM PEOPLE WHO COME IN TO REDUCE THE PARKING.

WE ARE NOT SURE. THAT'S THE IT MANUAL AND HOPEFULLY IT WORKS. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT LIMITED PARKING SPACES THERE AND HAVE ISSUES.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WILL ARISE BUT THE IT MANUAL IS A GOOD REFERENCE POINT. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE WHICH IS TO ALLOW FOR EASEMENTS TO SERVE CURRENTLY IS UP TO TWO DWELLING UNITS OUTSIDE THE SUBDIVISIONS.

YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS TOPIC.

YOU'VE COME IN ÃREQUESTS HAVE COME IN AND OFTEN THIS OCCURS IN RURAL AREAS WERE MAYBE FAMILY MEMBERS OR PEOPLE HAVE HAD ACCESS POINTS TO NONSTANDARD ROADS.

SO TYPICALLY, IF YOU WANT MORE THAN TWO DWELLING UNITS ON AN EASEMENT YOU HAVE TO CONSTRUCT OR PAID A LOCAL ROADWAY WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS OR YOU SEEK A VARIANCE WHICH YOU'VE SEEN RECENTLY.

SO THERE ARE BARRIERS AND HIGH-VOLUME REQUESTS FOR MAYBE MORE UNITS ON THE ACCESS UNIT. TYPICALLY YOU ARE LOOKING AT HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE FIRE TRUCK ÃBUYER ACCESS IS THERE THERE'S A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT YOU STABILIZE WITH.

THE PROPOSAL COULD BE UP TO NINE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THIS.

YOU STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS.

THOSE ARE CONCERNS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN GET DOWN THERE AND EXPANDED TO INCLUDE THE SHOULDERS.

IF THERE'S CROWDING OR PARKING THE PARAMEDICS CAN GET BY.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE HOMES ON AN EASEMENT IT PNEEDS TO BE IMPROVED FROM THE INTERSECTION INWARD 100 FEET.

WE DON'T WANT DEGRADATION OF THAT COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY OR HAVE ISSUES THERE. THERE'S ENOUGH TRAFFIC THE ENGINEERS HAVE THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.

A LITTLE BIT OF COST BUT TO MAINTAIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE JUST TO CLARIFY SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH REGARD TO MAILBOXES OR STRUCTURES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE ON CLARITY AND WE HAVE PRIDE COMPLAINTS OUT THERE. IT DOES SAY RIGID FOUNDATION YOU CAN'T HAVE THE MAILBOX IN THE MODEL COLLECTOR ROADWAYS BUT THEY ARE PERMISSIBLE ON LOCAL ROADWAYS.

THAT WOULD BE THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS.

MAKE IT MORE CLEAR I THINK GIVE DETAIL IT WOULD NOT BACK ULTIMATELY, THEY NEED IF YOU ARE ASKING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY YOU HAVE TO GET A RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO EVALUATE.

MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ONE WHICH IS NOTICED.

THERE WAS CONCERN FROM COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK YOU HEARD FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T GET ENOUGH TIME. SO CURRENTLY IT'S 10 DAYS TO SEND OUT A MALE NOTICE TO INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN A CERTAIN RADIUS OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.

CURRENTLY, WE ARE READY TO 15 DAY NOTICES FOR POSTING SIGNS AS WELL AS THE ADVERTISING IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER.

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ALL RIGHT. AND THEN JUST SOME CLARITY ISSUE HERE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S DEDICATION AND DONATION.HERE'S BEEN A BIT OF CONFUSION HERE TO DEDICATE SOMETHING. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN DONATING IN PARTICULAR WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR CONTRACTUAL THINGS. WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT AND PAOLO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

>> KNOW. OTHERWISE JUST A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE WORD DEDICATE. EXCLUDING IT FOR PURPOSES OF PLAT BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT THE WORD DEDICATE IS USED SLOPPILY IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE IS SETTING ASIDE FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PLAT ADOPTION AND DEDICATION PROVISIONS THEY KIND OF ARE USED JUST TO ÃAS AN EASEMENT OR TO CONVEY LAND TO AN ENTITY THAT IS NOT THE PUBLIC. SO THAT IS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THE DEFINITION OF DEDICATE.

>> THANK YOU, PAOLO. AND HERE'S THE TIME FRAMES WHERE YOU SOLVE THEM. I GAVE YOU THE FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING AND ZONING WHICH IS RELATEDTO THOSE FRONT YARD SETBACKS TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE.

THE OTHER THING WAS THAT HE STATED WE HAD 15 AND 25 FEET A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NON-GARAGE AND THE GARAGE SIDE AND FOR BUILDERS. HE SAID THAT MIGHT BE TOO AWKWARD. WHEN IS NOT A SIDEWALK THERE WILL BE 20 FEET WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE BUILDING COMMUNITY AND HOW THEY BUILT STRUCTURES.

WITH THAT, THERE IS A RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU AND YOU CAN EITHER APPROVE ALL OF THESE AND BECOME LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE YOU CAN REQUEST STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM SOME MORE OR NOT APPROVE ANY OF THEM.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS LET

ME KNOW. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF? >> MR. BLOCKER: WE COULD GET TO THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS, MICHAEL.

RIGHT NOW IT'S 300 FEET AND THAT'S FAIRLY STANDARD IN THIS STATE. WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT AND GIVE PEOPLE MORE OPPORTUNITIES.

MY CONCERN IS WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE AFTER THE FACT AND NOT RATHER HEAR FROM THEM BEFORE THE FACT.

DID STAFF HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT? SO MANY COUNTIES HAVE UP TO 500 FEET. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THAT BUT HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT SO WE CAN RECAPTURE AS MANY INTERESTED PARTIES?> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION IS, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

PEOPLE IS THAT I DIDN'T GET NOTICE.

STAFF IS LOOKING INTO IT. IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED WHEN YOU START ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF DISTANCE.

DOES IT'S STILL CAPTURE WHO YOU WANT? YOU MIGHT HAVE LANDOWNERS AND OWN A LARGE PIECE OF LAND DO THEY GET NOTICE?WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING INTO IT WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION TO DO WE WANT TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE BOARD WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DISTANCE AND HOW IT WILL POSITIVELY AFFECT NOTICING. AND PAOLO Ã

>> MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE STRUGGLED WITH INCREASING THE DISTANCE BECAUSE IT'S A RATHER DIVERSE COUNTY.

SO INCREASING DISTANCE MAKES SENSE IN RURAL AREAS BECAUSE YOU WENT TO OUTREACH TO AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PROPERTY LINES AND PEOPLE OWN ARCH PIECES ON LAND IN MORE DENSE AREAS. YOU DO END UP CAPTURING A LOT OF PERSONS AND NOT NECESSARILY THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE NECESSARILY AFFECTED. SO WE ARE TRYING TO GENERATE A RULE WITH A POTENTIAL SLIDING DISTANCE BASED ON LOCATION.

AND ADDITIONALLY, OUR APPEAL PROVISIONS THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTED PERSON STANDARD IS TIED TO THE NOTICE SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE ARE INCREASING DISTANCE. IT COULD BE THAT THE BOARD COULD DIRECT STAFF TO JUST INCREASE THE DISTANCE.

THAT IS A COST TO BOTH APPLICANTS AND THE COUNTY WHENEVER WE DO ANYTHING, BECAUSE THAT GENERATES A LOT OF MAIL NOTICE BUT NOT SOMETHING THE BOARD CAN DO, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT IS TRYING TO TAILOR THIS MAIL NOTICE PROVISION TO PARTICULAR AREAS.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I HEAR IS PEOPLE FEELING THEY ARE NOT RECEIVING ADEQUATE NOTICE.

I WOULD RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE OF GIVING MORE NOTICE THAN LESS NOTICE. IF THAT MEANS THE APPLICANT HAS TO BUY MORE POSTAGE STAMPS AND SEND OUT MORE NOTICES THAT'S ON THEM. THEY ARE THE ONES ORDERING THE PROJECT. I WOULD RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE ÃTO GET TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING PAOLO TO TIE THAT TO APPELLATE RIGHTS, WE COULD BIFURCATE THAT.

CAN YOU EDUCATE THE REST OF THE BOARD ON THAT?

>> IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO AMEND ANOTHER PROVISION OF THE LAND

DEVELOPMENT CODE >> WHICH WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY

TO DO. >> YES, YOU DO.

WE CAN DO THAT. IF THE BOARD GIVES US DIRECTION

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BUT EXPAND THE REACH OF THE MAIL NOTIE AND BIFURCATE THAT FROM THE APPELLATE PROVISIONS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN

EASILY DO. >> JUST IN LAYMAN'S TERMS AS A BOARD WE DID DECIDE TO GET MORE NOTICE BUT NOT TIE THE APPELLATE RIGHTS TO THAT. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF OING THAT. THE IDEA WOULD BE TOO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AND TO HEAR FROM PTHEM BEFOREHAND AS OPPOSED TO AFTERWARDS.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> MR. WALDRON: AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING NOTIFICATION AREAS.

THE APPELLATE PART ÃIT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT. WE DON'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC OR COMMUNITY MEETING. WHEN THAT STARTED IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA COUNTY IT WAS RURAL. THERE WAS NOTHING THERE.

YOU CAN ASK IN MIND AND MR. SMITH'S DISTRICT YOU WOULD HAVE ONE PERSON RECEIVED MAIL. THAT'S ALL THE NOTIFICATION THAT WOULD GO OUT. 1 TO 2 PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO BE EFFECTIVE. AND THIS ÃTHE 15 DAYS, I LIKE THAT BETTER THAN 10. BUT I STILL THINK WE HAVE TO GET IT OUT THERE BETTER FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW.

I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO COME.

IT'S GOING TO COME EVENTUALLY THAT NOBODY WILL BE NOTICED AND ACTUALLY HALF OF THEM WILL BE THE SAME WAY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT THAT.

>> WELL, JUST SPEAKING ÃI WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIS DIRECT STAFF TO INCREASE IT. WE CAN PICK AT 100 FEET OR ANOTHER 400. WE WANT MORE FEEDBACK AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I HAVE FOUND THAT I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE FOUND AS WELL PEOPLE GET UPSET WHEN THEY FEEL THEY HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED. I THINK IF WE INCREASE THAT THERE MAY BE A CHALLENGE ON THE FRONT END WITH PAT BUT WE WILL GET MORE FEEDBACK WHICH WE WANT AND PEOPLE WILL FEEL WE ARE LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS. THAT HAS NO EFFECT ULTIMATELY ON THE RIGHTS OF AN APPLICANT AND THOSE OPPOSING IT.

GETTING MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE TO INCREASE THAT. I THOUGHT WE WOULD DISCUSS EXPANDING THAT DISTANCE IN MORE DETAIL.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? >> ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER ITEMS ON HERE THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN REGARD TO PARTICULAR ISSUES BROUGHT UP BEFORE US TODAY? COMMISSIONER WALDRON? FOR I PROBABLY WILL BE THE ONLY ONE BECAUSE ONE THAT BRINGS IT UP EVER.

I HAVE BIG CONCERNS OVER AS USING A FORMULA THAT MAY BE DONE IN AN AREA THAT HAS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOMEONE BEDROOMS BUT MAYBE GET REDUCED BUT THE OTHER ONES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A CRISIS.

BOTH PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING YOU HAVE KIDS IN SCHOOL SO YOU END UP WITH 3 TO 4 VEHICLES PER UNIT.

AS THE H. AND PEOPLE AND THAT'S TO ME ÃI'VE VISITED FRIENDS WHO LIVE IN TOWNHOMES TO ME, IT'S SOMETHING AND I UNDERSTAND MORE GOAL TO REDUCE IT BUT WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ANY MAJOR POLL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I'LL SEE REDUCING PARKING PLACES HOW THAT WOULD BE SOLD

IN THE FUTURE. >> ANY OTHER ELEMENTS? ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WE OPEN IT

UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MATTER. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YES SIR. >> X LABEL.

FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR DISCUSSION ON TREE KILLING. THAT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION.

ON THE NOTICE, COULD WE DO IT WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE PROPERTY WITHIN HALF A MILE? THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE REASONABLE THAN THE VERY FEW THINGS THAT ARE DONE CURRENTLY. AND I WOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF ASKING MORE STAFF TO WORK TOO HARD OR TOO LONG.

THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE PAID FOR. AND THEY ARE PAID VERY WELL.

SO IF THE SUGGESTION IS THAT IT'S EXTRA WORK FOR THE STAFF, THEY WORK FOR US. ON CHANGING FROM 10 TO 15 DAYS NOTICE OF A PUBLIC HEARING, REALLY? HOW ABOUT 30? HOW ABOUT 30? DEADLINES IN CIVIL PROCEDURE TO ANSWER COMPLAINT AND THINGS

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I MEAN 10 TO 15 DAYS. WHO BENEFITS FROM THAT? IT NEEDS TO BE ACTUAL NOTICE. THAT PEOPLE WILL ACT ON AND BE ABLE TO GO AND PROTECT THE RIGHTS.

IF YOU GET A NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOU IN YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR FAMILY, YOU NEED TIME TO HIRE A LAWYER, BABY.

HOW ABOUT 30 DAYS. AND I WOULD CALL TO COUNSEL'S ATTENTION SUPREME COURT AND DUE PROCESS HAS DEALT WITH WHAT IS ADEQUATE NOTICE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR PREDECESSORS IN THE COUNTY EVER THOUGHT 10 DAYS NOTICE WAS ENOUGH OF ZONING HERE. ACTUALLY, I DO KNOW.

STARTING IN 1998 ST. JOHNS COUNTY CONDITIONERS FROM 2008 AND 2004 WERE MAINLY CHOSEN BY A GROUP THAT SAID PERRY HAD CALLED THE ISSUES GROUP AND IT BASICALLY VETTED CANDIDATES FOR DEVELOPERS. AND EVERY SINGLE COUNTY COMMISSIONER COLLECTED FROM 1998 UNTIL BEN RICH WAS ELECTED IN 2004 WAS VETTED BY SAID PERRY IN THE ISSUES GROUP.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE UNJUST LAWSUIT.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ONLY 10 DAYS NOTICE OF THE ZONING HEARING THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE CHARACTER OF YOUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD FOREVER. LET'S BEAR IN MIND THE SEVEN GENERATION TEST THE ADVOCATED FOR BACK ON SEPTEMBER 8. LET'S CONSIDER IN EVERY SINGLE DECISION YOU MAKE HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT LIFE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SEVEN GENERATIONS FROM NOW? AND I WOULD SAY GO WITH HALF A MILE AND PLEASE LET'S GO WITH 30 DAYSAT LEAST.

BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING DECADES IN ADVANCE AND YOUR STAFF KNOWS YEARS IN ADVANCE SO YOU CAN GIVE 30 DAYS NOTICE.ND I THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MATTER? PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEEN ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT

>> WITH PUBLIC, NOW BECAUSE WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> MR. BLOCKER: JUST THROUGH STAFF HAVE YOU LOOKED AT MAKING THIS THE 15 DAYS, 15 BUSINESS DAYS HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE? I BELIEVE SOME OTHERS HAVE IT

AS 15 BUSINESS DAYS. >> I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE LOOKED AT BUSINESS DAYS. WE CAN CERTAINLY Ã

>> THAT WOULD EXCLUDE HOLIDAYS THAT'S MORE ALONG THE CIVIL PROCEDURE AND WOULD EXCLUDE HOLIDAYS WOULD EXCLUDE WEEKENDS. I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THE BOARD WOULD ALLOW SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.

IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN THE MIGHT HELP CAPTURE MORE AND GIVE PEOPLE MORE NOTICE ON VACATION.

SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> YOU COULD ADD THE 15 BUSINESS DAYS

>> WE COULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW. >> MR. CHAIR, IF WE DID, WE WANT TO PROBABLY BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER NOTICING Ã

IF IT'S NOT BUSINESS >> IT'S TIED TO 15 DAYS, SO IT'S 15 DAYS FOR THE POSTING OF THE SIGN AND 15 DAYS FOR PUBLISHING IN THE RECORD IF WE CHANGE THAT TO BUSINESS DAYS, WE WOULD PREFER THAT AND BE CONSISTENT SO STAFF KNOWS THERE IS ONE DATE FOR ALL OF THESE SEPARATE FORMS OF NOTICE.

ADDITIONALLY, IF THERE IS A FAILURE OF ANY OF THE BUSINESS DAY RULES SUCH AS IT'S CALCULATED INCORRECTLY, THAT IS ÃYOU LOSE JURISDICTION IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE ERROR.

WE HAVE A SAFETY MECHANISM THAT YOU CAN MAKE ONE GOOD FAITH MISTAKE AS LONG AS YOU DON'T VIOLATE ANY STATUTORY PROVISIONS. BUT IF THERE IS A DISCREPANCY BY A DAY OF WHAT CONSTITUTES A BUSINESS DAY WE HAD TO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

>> IF WE AS A BOARD MAKE THE DECISION TO GO 15 BUSINESS DAYS I EXPECT OUR COUNTY AND STAFF TO BRING US ERRORS THAT ARE AFFECTED SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

IF THIS BOARD MAKES A DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT I WANT A LIST FROM YOU SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ADJUSTED.

WE ARE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS. ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT?

>> YES. >> O'FARRELL ÃIF WE VOTE NOW MAKE A CHANGE ON THIS ONE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM YOU IS

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>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ANYTHING ELSE? NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION HOWEVER THIS BOARD WOULD DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD IF WE WANT TO HOLD NOTICE, MAILED NOTICE OFTEN LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD OR TO BE CONSIDERED LEAVING THE DISTANCE IF THAT'S

THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE EXTEND THE NOTICE TO 15 BUSINESS DAYS EXPECTING OUR STAFF TO BRING US ANY OTHER AREAS IN OUR ORDINANCES WE NEED TO CHANGE TO ADJUST TO THIS WHICH OUR BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO I

MAKE THAT MOTION AT THIS TIME. >> SECOND

>> A MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? WE WILL HANDLE THIS AS JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0. ANY OF THE OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE TODAY? MOTION TO ENACT ALL OF THESE OR DO NOT DO SO? WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AMENDED? DO WE WANT TO ENACT WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TODAY WE HAVE A MOTION TO ENACT. IF NOT, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AMENDED THAT'S FINE AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> MR. JOHNS: IF THERE'S COMMENT PLEASE START BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION.

I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WAS GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. I MAKE A MOTION.

TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2019 Ã84 APPROVING AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA LAW AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

>> SECOND >> HAVE A MISSION AND A SECOND THAT INCLUDES AS AMENDED. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 4 TO 1. THANK YOU. MOVING ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM

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>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS, PALA SORIA ASSISTANT SENIOR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF LAST COMMISSION MEETING'S DISCUSSION WHERE THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO PROVIDE FURTHER INFORMATION WITH A FOCUS ON TWO OPTIONS, SO THAT'S PARKING AT THE NORTH GTM PARKING LOT AND WALK OVER OR TO REMAIN AS IS AND TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION. AS A REMINDER MICKLER'S LANDING IS CLOSED DURING WEEKDAY MORNINGS UNTIL JANUARY 31, 2020. IT MAY BE FULLY OPENED EARLIER DEPENDING ON THE TIMELINE OF CONSTRUCTION.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE ARE FOCUSING ON THAT JANUARY 31 DROPDEAD DATE. JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE PROXIMATE AREAS OF THE BEACH ACCESS.

MIKE FIERS IS OVER HERE AND OVER THERE THESE ARE THE PONTE VEDRE WALL COVERS AND THAT'S THE NORTH PARKING LOT APPROXIMATELY 3.2 MILES AWAY FROM MY MICKLER'S LANDING.

SO HERE ARE THE REMAINING OPTIONS.

OPTION NUMBER ONE IS THE USE OF THE GTM THEIR PARKING LOT DURING MORNING HOURS OPTION NUMBER TWO IS TO REMAIN AS IS AND NUMBER THREE WHICH WAS NOT REMOVED FROM CONTINUATION IS THE CONTINUOUS USE OF SHUTTLE SERVICE TO A BEACH ACCESS POINT DURING THE WEEK WEEKDAYS AND THIS IS GOING OVER IT.

HERE'S OPTION NUMBER 1. THIS IS THE NORTH WALL COVER.

THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 68 PARKING SPOTS.

IS NOT WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE. THE TRAILS AND BEACHES OPEN TILL SOME SITE LOCATED 3.2 MILES FROM EICHLER'S LANDING AND TALKING WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FRIENDS OF THE GTM RESERVE THE COST IS $108 PER WEEKDAY AND THAT'S A TOTAL COST FROM TOMORROW, DECEMBER 18, 2019, UNTIL JANUARY 31 OF $3240 PER WEEKDAY PARKING. SO THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW.

THOSE ARE THE 68 LOTS. AS THEY WALK OVER TO THE BEACH.

ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO IS TO REMAIN AND IS AND PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF DID CONDUCT PARKING AND TRAFFIC COUNTS TO GAUGE DEMAND AVAILABILITY AND CONSUMPTION OF PARKING SPOTS DURING THE WEEKDAYS. SO THERE'S 153 AVAILABLE SLOTS.

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AND FROM THAT IF YOU REMAIN AS IS YOU DID RECOGNIZE THE EXISTING PUBLIC PARKING SPACES ON PONTE VEDRE BLVD.

THOSE ARE 13 SPACES AND THEY ARE LOCATED 800 FEET TO WALK OVER 14 IN 1300 FEET TO WALK OVER 13.

THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THOSE 13 PARKING SPACES ON CARLISLE AND THIS IS WALK OVER 14, SO THAT'S 800 FEET FROM THAT TO WALK OVER 14. ALTERNATIVE OPTION NUMBER THREE IS THE SHUTTLE SERVICE TO BEACH ACCESS POINT AND THE COST OF THE SHUTTLE SERVICE IS $320 PER DAY.

EIGHT HOUR SHUTTLE TIME FROM 6:30 A.M. TO 2:30 PM AND THE TOTAL COST UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY IS $9600.

IT'S FOUR MILES TO THE PONTE VEDRE BEACH ACCESS POINT.

SO THIS IS AN AREA OF THESE ARE MEASUREMENTS AS THE CROW FLIES BUT IT'S FOUR MILES APPROXIMATELY EITHER WAY.

WE HAVE RECEIVED NO CORRESPONDENCE SINCE THE DECEMBER 3 PRESENTATION PRIOR TO THAT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE AND RIGHT NOW PARKS AND RECREATION HAS RECEIVED NO CONTINUAL DEMAND OR COMPLAINTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OPEN MICHAEL EHR'S LANDING IN THE MORNING WEEKDAY HOURS. SO THIS IS JUST THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE WEEKDAY PARKING TRAFFIC AND THE TRAFFIC OUNTS AND THE LACK OF FEEDBACK AND THE AVAILABILITY OF EXISTING SPACES.

STAFF DOES NOT SEE DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENSES OR ALTERNATE OPTIONS DURING THE RMAINING TIME MICKLER'S LANDING IS CLOSED DURING WEEKDAY MORNINGS.

BUT THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE BOARD AND WEATHER DEMANDS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE BRIEF PRESENTATION GOING BACK ON THE OPTIONS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. THERE ARE MOTIONS IN YOUR PACKET FOR ANY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS SHOULD THE BOARD SO

CHOOSE. >> YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION.

I WANT TO TAKE OUR STAFF FOR THE WORK THEY HAVE PUT INTO THIS. I THINK HAVING THE TRAFFIC COUNT WAS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH HERE.

I AM GOING TO ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THIS.

IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS I'D LIKE TO SEE US INCLUDE IN THAT SOME TYPE OF CALCULATION OR IF WE NEED TO GO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING THEY REALLY SHOULD PAY FOR THAT.

NOT THE PUBLIC. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED. WHEN WE HAVE ÃIF WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE PUBLIC SPACE IS GOING TO TAKE SOME OF OUR PARKING OFF-LINE THAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CALCULATION AND INCLUDED IN WHATEVER CONTRACT IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD A PAYMENT OF THAT FROM THOSE PRIVATE PARTIES. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT SO WE ARE NOT USING PUBLIC FUNDS FOR THIS.

I THINK THAT'S ONLY FAIR AND JUST IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

OTHER THAN THAT JUST SO THE BOARD IS UNPREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION AS WE RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WE HAVE TO WORK

WITH HER. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION NOW I WOULD ENTERTAIN A

>> AT THIS TIME AND MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION AT THIS TIME BASED ON THE ADEQUATE PARKING THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND THE PUBLIC DEMAND AT THIS TIME WHICH IS NOT RISE TO THE OCCASION OF REQUIRING MORE

ADDITIONAL ACTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO DRIVE SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

WE WILL NOT OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MATTER.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> ED SLAVIN CLEANUP CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE CLEANUP > THANK YOU FOR DELIBERATIONS ON THE SOMETHING FOR FIRE MR. WANCHICK.

COULD WE HAVE ON THE RECORD A TOTAL SPREADSHEET OF ALL THAT HE HAS COST THE COUNTY BY NOT INCLUDING IN THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR COMPENSATED THE COUNTY FOR LOSS OF THE PARKING? SO THAT WE KNOW TO THE PENNY HOW MUCH IT COST US? MAYBE SEND HIM A BILL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN, SEEING NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

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GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOSEPH COHEN I AM THE HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND I WORK THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DIVISION.

THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS A REPORT PUT TOGETHER BY AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED HERE I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THE HOUSING ADVOCATES FOR ALL OF YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR GUIDANCE OVER THE LAST 18 TO 20 MONTHS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAFF.TODAY POSITIVE REPORT IS A COMBINATION OF 36 MONTHS OF WORK FROM THE COMMITTEE. LARGELY SERVES TWO PURPOSES.

ONE IS TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE COUNTIES ORDINANCES POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ANY OTHER MATTERS THAT COUD AFFECT THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THE SECOND PART IS IT'S A STATUTORY COMMITMENT AND WE ARE APPROACHED TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE FUNDS WHICH WE USE LARGELY TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT INVENTORY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN CONJUNCTION WITH SUBMITTING THIS REPORT TO THE BOARD EVERY THREE YEARS, WE ALSO WILL BE SUBMITTING THE COUNTIES LOCAL HOUSING ASSISTANCE PLAN.

HIS MAJOR PURPOSE IS TO GUIDE DOLLARS TO MAINTAIN THE IP AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY.

TODAY WE ASK THAT YOU DO ONE OF THREE ACTIONS.

ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE REPORT WITH NO ACTION.

REJECT THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE LAST ONE IS ESSENTIALLY ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AND POINT STAFF IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU WILL BE HEARING ABOUT IN A MOMENT. I SHOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THAT IN LOOKING AT THE REPORT I BELIEVE THERE ARE SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN STAFF TO WORK ON AS PART OF THE NEW ZONING CATEGORY THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD SHORTLY WE ARE WORKING WITH WITH MANAGEMENT ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR CHAIRMAN. MR. BILL THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY

HOUSING PARTNERSHIP. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. I AM WITH THE ST. JOHN'S HOUSING PARTNERSHIP AND I HAVE BEEN CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE SINCE 2016. A LOT HAS HAPPENED TO US WITH TWO HURRICANES AND GROWTH GROWING EVERYWHERE.

BUT THE MEMBERS THAT ARE OUT THERE HAVE BEEN MEETING EVERY MONTH HELPING US TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERSIGHT OF THINGS WE ARE DOING. THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH ONE IN 2016 ARE THINGS WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT FROM BEFORE WE CAN WE ARE TRYING TO DO MORE WITH THE FUNDS PROVIDED EVERY YEAR.

THESE ARE JUST A LIST OF WHERE THE COUNTY HAS VARIOUS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THIS IS A REPORT WE USE JUST ONCE ÃIT COMES OUT ONCE A YEAR AND THE IDEA IS ÃIT'S A NATIONAL REPORT THAT DRILLS DOWN TO A COUNTY AND SAYS THESE ARE THE CHALLENGES AND WE ARE NOT UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT EVERY COUNTY IS STRUGGLING TO FIND HOUSING FOR ITS WORKFORE. IT SAYS BASED ON CURRENT RENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RENTERS YOU NEED TO BE MAKING $8.71 AN HOUR AT 840 AN HOUR A WEEK JOB, 52 WEEKS A YEAR WITH A TWO-BEDROOM RENT TO BE AFFORDABLE AND HUD CAUSE A TWO-BEDROOM FAIR MARKET RENT $1060 WHICH IS WELL BEYOND WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE WORKFORCE WE DEAL WITH CAN AFFORD YOU ARE AWARE WE ARE DOING MORE THAN 4000 HOMES A YEAR THE INFORMATION ABOUT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OUR AVERAGE PERMIT VALUES ARE $276,000 THAT GIVES YOU THAT SAYS THEY WERE VALUED AT LESS THAN HUNDRED $50,000. IT'S SIX PERCENT OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S OUR BIG CHALLENGING FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. THE NEW DISTRICT OVERLAY THAT STAFF IS BROUGHT UP AND PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON COULD REALLY OPEN THE DOOR FOR SOME PEOPLE OF OUR WORKFORCE AND LITTLE BIT HIGHER END. THERE'S STILL LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WE WANT TO TRY AND GIVE OTHER PARTS OF OUR WORKFORCE TO BE ABLE TO BUY A HOME AND BECOME STABLE IN THIS

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SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE. AND THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL OCCUPATIONS. THESE ARE MEDIUM WAGES THAT I PICKED THOSE FROM. THEY SAY IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE 10 YEARS YOU MAY MAKE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF JUST ACROSS OUR ECONOMY THE TYPES OF OCCUPATIONS WE STRUGGLE WITH.

AND IN A LOT OF CASES, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE SIGNS FOR HELP-WANTED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WINDOWS.

THESE ARE THE REAL CHALLENGES. THESE ARE THE JOBS AND EVEN IF YOU TOOK THOSE FOLKS MAKING LESS THAN THAT DOUBLED THEM UP, IN OTHER WORDS THEY EACH HAD A ROOMMATE, THEY STILL CAN'T HANDLE. THEY WOULD BE PAYING MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THEIR INCOME TO RENT THAT TWO-BEDROOM APARTMENT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HIGH HOUSING COST BURDEN, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE ONE STEP AWAY FROM A CRISIS, WHETHER THEY ARE SENIORS OR FAMILIES THE CAR BREAKS DOWN UNEXPECTED MEDICAL EXPENSES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND THEY ARE IN TROUBLE. IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE COST BURDEN HOUSEHOLDS, THOSE THAT ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING TOTAL 16,000 HOUSEHOLDS.HIS IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA SCHOMBURG CENTER. 10,000 OF THEM ARE HOUSE OWNERS, 6000 ARE RENTERS. THE HOMEOWNERS I LOOK AT AND SAY IF THEY ARE SPENDING THAT MUCH ON HOUSING THAT'S THE NEXT POOL OF SUBSTANDARD HOUSING BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO SET ASIDE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF ISSUES WITH THE HOUSE.

THE RENTERS ARE FOLKS THAT JUST HAVE CHALLENGES EVERY YEAR.

IF RENT GOES UP 50 BUCKS THEY LOOK TO MOVE AND THEY ARE PULLING THEIR KIDS OUT OF ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND GOING TO ANOTHER. A BIG CHALLENGE IN OUR 16,000 HOUSEHOLDS ARE SENIORS. RIGHT NOW, IS 4300 SENIORS WHO SPEND MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING.

THOSE AREN'T COUNTED ON THE OCCUPATIONAL SIDE, BUT THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT SHOW UP AT EVERY NONPROFIT AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES WHEN THAT RATE GOES UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

WE HAVE FOUND SENIORS ÃI'VE GOT CALLS FROM SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS THEY FIND SENIORS SLEEPING IN THE CAR BECAUSE RENT GOES UP $20 A MONTH AND THEY MOVED AND THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING. THEY KNEW THEY HAD TO GET OUT OF WHERE THEY WERE. THERE HAS BEEN PROGRESS SINCE OUR LAST REPORT. SOME OF THE THINGS I THINK REALLY HELP IS YOUR DIRECTION TO STAFF ABOUT WHAT TO DO.

HAVING A POINT OF CONTACT. THERE'S TWO BETWEEN JOE AND JOE SORELY IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THERE'S A BIT OF A KNOWLEDGE BASE GROWING AND THEY CAN HELP STEER PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE COORDINATION AND TALK BETWEEN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO SOME DEGREE.

I THINK THE HURRICANES FORCED THAT, NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE HAD TO. THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT COULD OPEN UP SOME OPPORTUNITIES. WE REALLY WANT TO SEE BETTER COORDINATION WITH THE CITY. I PLAN TO TAKE THIS REPORT AFTER YOUR SUPPORT I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY IF WE CAN PRESENTED TO THEM AND ASK THEM TO LOOK AT THE SAME KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS. BECAUSE A LOT OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES END UP BEING WHERE THE CITY HAS WATER AND SEWER SERVICES AND IN SOME CASES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN FILLED LOTS WHERE THEY CAN BE USED.

THIS IS SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE ASKING FOR.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISTRICT, THAT IDEA WAS DESIGNED TO GET DEVELOPERS TO STEP UP AND DO CERTAIN THINGS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION OR ANYTHING ELSE.

IT WILL HELP HOUSEHOLDS ABOVE 80 PERCENT OF THE MEDIAN INCOME. STILL A BIG PART OF OUR WORKFORCE, THOSE IN THE MEDICAL AND FIRE SAFETY RESPONDERS AND THAT SORT OF THING. FOR A LOT OF THE FOLKS UNDER 80 KIND OF FINANCIAL HELP TO MAKE THAT MATH PROBLEM WORK, WHETHER IT'S A REDUCTION ON SOME REGULATORY FEES LIKE IMPACT FEES OR OTHER THINGS, WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT.

DENSITY IS HUGE.

IT'S HOW WE CAN CREATE THINGS. IT'S A CHALLENGE. YOU FIND THEM LOCKED NOW BUT IT'S ONLY SINGLE-FAMILY WONDER BREAD DUPLEX IT TOOK US SIX MONTHS. THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT SHOULD BUILD A DUPLEX. THREE BEDROOM ONE BATH WE MADE THE FRONT PAGE OF THE RECORD. NOW I WAS THRILLED TO MAKE FRONT PAGE, BUT BUILDING A DUPLEX AND MAKING FRONT PAGE OF THE NEWSPAPER IS A STATEMENT ABOUT HER LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT SHOULDN'T BE. THAT'S HOW LITTLE IS BEING BUILT ON THE RENTAL SIDE OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.

>> WE NEED YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN THERE IS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS WHEN SOMEONE IS LOOKING AT BUILDING A COMMUNITY THAT'S HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACCEPT THE ROADS AS

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>> ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES IS -- AND MOELLER SUPPORTIVE OF FUNDING THE TRUST FUND THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COMES TO THE COUNTY WE WOULD GET $2.8 MILLION IF THERE'S YOURS FUNDS DID NOT GET SCRATCHED. WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS, YOU CAN'T PLAN.

AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE AND HOUSING IS BUILDING A HOUSE THERE IS OKAY BUT WHEN YOU WANT TO LOOK AT CREATING SOMETHING -- AND IT TAKES A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE YEARS TO GET THE LAND, YOU CAN'T DO IT IF THE MAJOR SOURCE OF FUNDING GOES UP AND DOWN.

WE WENT FROM $1.4 MILLION-$400,000. ON Y'ALL'S PART TRYING TO PLAN THAT.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TALK A DEVELOPER, BIG OR SMALL COMING TO PARTNERING WITH YOU ON SOMETHING IF YOU SAY GO AHEAD AND BUY IT. I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU NEXT YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE IGNORES WHEN THEY SAY WE ARE SWEEPING THE FUNDS BECAUSE THAT IS A HUGE PLANNING OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US. A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 2000 AND 2006 WAS BECAUSE THERE NEVER BEEN A SWEEP OF THE HOUSING TRUST FUNDS. THE COUNTY KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS COMING ON Y'ALL WENT OUT AND CREATED OPPORTUNITIES. WE HAD SIX OR EIGHT DEVELOPERS HAVE BUILT BETWEEN 100 AND 200 HOMES AND WAS BECAUSE THEY KNEW THERE WERE PLANS TO HELP PAY FOR IT. THERE WAS SOME HELP PUT IN AN INFRASTRUCTURE EITHER FROM THE CITY SIDE OR FROM THE COUNTY SIDE. AND THAT'S WHAT GENERATED THOSE HOMES. BUT IT'S KNOWING THAT THE FUNDS ARE THERE THAT YOU CAN TRY AND LOOK AT IT -- AT A TWO OR THREE YEAR PLAN TO CREATE SOME OF IT. WE ARE HOPING SOME OF THESE INCENTIVES WILL BE LOOKED AT AND I THINK STAFF WANTS TO DO THAT. I THINK WE TALK TO PEOPLE IN ROAD AND BRIDGE AND INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY'VE GOT EMPLOYEES OF THE SAME CHALLENGES. I THINK THEY'VE GOT IDEAS AND WE NEED TO TRY AND GET A BIG GROUP APPROACH TO IT. THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE. THERE WERE HUNDRED 20 HOUSES BUILT AND PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

USING EMERGENCY SERVICE COALITION, THEY BUILT SEVERAL HOMES WHERE FUNDS WERE ONLY 25 PERCENT OF THE COST BUT ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD THEM AND KEEP THE RENTS REASONABLE. WE BUILT HANCOCK PLACE, 36 HOMES WERE ROADS, WATER AND SEWER A PART OF THE CONTRIBUTION. HE CAME FROM FEDERAL FUNDS. BUT THERE ARE FOUR FOLKS UNDER 80 PERCENT OF THE AREA OF MEDIAN INCOME.

THERE WERE SOME MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT SOME SHIFT FUNDS WERE USED TO FUND BOTH THE CONSTRUCTION OF PALMER POINT AND REUSED SHIP FUNDS TO PURCHASE OLD COLONY APARTMENTS WHICH IS EIGHT UNITS AFTER THEY HAD BEEN SOLD AND WENT INTO A FORECLOSURE. THIS IS THE DENSITY BONUS PROJECT THAT WE ARE DOING UP MASTERS DRIVE. IT'S SIX UNITS FROM A CONTRIBUTION FROM A DEVELOPER OF ABOUT HUNDRED $50,000 LEVEL LET US BUILD SIX ONE-BEDROOM UNITS. THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE TO GET US TO THIS POINT. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. I THINK WE MADE A LOT OF OUR HOUSING EFFORTS SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST WAS A LOT OF IT WAS IN THE CRA DISTRICT WERE YOU CHALLENGED EVERYBODY TO PUT ALL THEIR HEADS TOGETHER. WE HAD FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE HAD POLICE, WE HAD THE SHERIFF, CODE ENFORCEMENT. EVERYBODY CLEANED UP THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED AN ALL HANDS ON DECK. IF EVERYBODY HAS INPUT I THINK WE CAN SEE SOME CHALLENGE. THIS GIVES US IDEAS. I HOPE YOU SUPPORT THIS. IT STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE NEED EVERYTHING FROM PLANS TO BUILD NEW HOUSING DESTABILIZING THE EXISTING ONE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN IS FINANCIAL LITERACY, WHETHER YOU ARE HELPING SOMEONE MANAGE THE RESOURCES THEY HAVE OR PREVENTIVE FORECLOSURE IT KEEPS PEOPLE OUT OF CRISIS. WHEN PEOPLE ARE CHALLENGED BY HOUSING FOSTER THEIR SPENDING TOO MUCH, EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION THEY CAN GET ON HOW TO PROPERLY SPEND THEIR MONEY, THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. SO THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. I WANT TO THANK

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IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF GETTING THE SHIP FUNDS EVERY YEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> SINGH KNOW WE WILL OPEN FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME OF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE COME FORWARD. YES, SIR.

>> I WANT TO THANK MR. LAZAR AND HIS GROUP FOR ALL THEY DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WE CAN DO A LOT MORE. WE CAN HAVE A LIVING WAGE AND A BEEN ADVOCATING THAT SINCE DECEMBER 2006. PART OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WORKERS ARE UNDERPAID. IN ANOTHER PART OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS ECONOMISTS CALLOUSED IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A GREAT NEW DEAL OF ECONOMIC CONCENTRATION IN THE HOMEBUILDING INDUSTRY. AS THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED, THE TOP 20 COMPANIES IN THE HOUSING INDUSTRY HAVE GONE FROM 21 PERCENT TO 29 PERCENT OF THE MARKET SHARE IN THE HOUSING INDUSTRY. AND AS A RESULT, WE HAVE A GOD BULLY. AND ECONOMISTS THINK THAT THERE ARE 150,000 FEWER HOMES BUILT EACH YEAR AND HIGHER PRICES DUE TO THIS ECONOMY CONCENTRATION. CAN WE ASK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DO SOMETHING AND LOOK INTO THESE ISSUES? IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WE HAVE A CARTEL HERE AND THERE INFLATING HOME PRICES, DEFLATING RESALE PRICES WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PROVE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

THEY'RE REFUSING TO HIRE LOCAL CONTRACTORS IN MANY CASES. THEY'RE BRINGING IN THEIR OWN FAVORED FIRMS TO DO LOW-QUALITY WORK, THAT CONTRIBUTED TO POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE HIRING LAWYERS AND DESTROYING OUR FORESTS. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR WETLANDS. THE REMOVING WILDLIFE HABITAT. THEY'RE LEAVING OUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNDER DELETING AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS AFTER PROJECTS ARE APPROVED. THIS BOARD DID NOT GET T WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A VIOLATION OF THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. DON'T DO THAT AGAIN, PLEASE. DON'T EVER COME AGAIN, PROVE A PROJECT AND SAY TO THE DEVELOPER, YOU ARE EXCUSED. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO THOSE 40 ACRES ANYMORE. BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS ENVIRONMENTAL -- AND WERE TALKING ABOUT DISCRIMINATION. NOW, IN 2018, I FILED OPEN RECORDS REQUEST OF 2018 Ã183 AND I'M JUST WANT YOU ALL TO PLEASE PUT ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE THE MINUTES AND THE NOTICES OF MEETINGS FOR THESE TWO BOARDS, THE HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY AND A HACK. AND IT HASN'T BEEN DONE. AND THANK YOU FOR FIRING MR. WOJCIECH WHO DID NOT CARE FOR OPENNESS OR CANDOR OR SUNSHINE. IN THOSE MINUTES, THOSE VIDEOS MEETINGS, THEY ARE STILL NOT ON THE WEBSITE. WE HAVE TWO BOARDS THAT BUILD -- TO WITH HOUSING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND NEITHER IS ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. YOU CAN LOOK. I JUST CHECKED A MOMENT AGO. BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SHARED MONOPOLY AND ABOUT WHAT THESE COMPANIES ARE DOING TO OUR CITIZENS IN CONTRACTORS THERE'S A GOOD LOCATION WE CAN TALK ABOUT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ON HOLMES BOULEVARD. IS THE PLACE WHERE THEY DUMPED THE LANDFILL IN THE LAKE AND WELL WE GOT A CLEANED UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE COME FORWARD? IS YOUR CHAIRMAN, NOT SEEING ANYONE COME FOR WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSE ALL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> WILL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2019 .

>> 472. >> TO ACCEPT A AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE 2019 AND SAID THE REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.

>> SECOND. AN EMOTION -- ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> AMEN, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS. WE WILL MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM

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NUMBER 11. >> CAN I SAY ONE THING?

>> CHAIRMAN. ACTUALLY TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE HOUSING -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND ALSO BILL LAZAR. I'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION. I'M ALWAYS IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK THAT HE DOES AND I THINK IT'S INCLUDED IN OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THAT WE APPROVE BUT I WOULD HOPE AGAIN, THE LEGISLATURE CHOOSES NOT TO SWEEP THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND. THAT CERTAINLY, I THINK, WAS A -- A WRONG MOVE ON THIS PART. IT'S HURTING OUR

COMMUNITY AND OUR RESIDENTS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK IN YOUR SERVICE.

>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. >> COMMISSIONER LOCUS ASSIST

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YOU DO HAVE IN YOUR POCKET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND 22 APPLICATIONS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS TO APPOINT MISS MEGAN PERKINS INTO THE SEAT OF THE -- FILLING THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RESIDENT.

AS YOU KNOW, YOU ALL APPOINTED HER AT THE LAST REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. THE PDA WILL BE, I BELIEVE, MAY BE SCHEDULED FOR THEIR NEXT MEETING TO HEAR WHO THEY WILL APPOINT AS THE REPRESENTATIVE TO THIS BOARD.

IF MS. PERKINS WAS TO BE APPOINTED AND ANOTHER MEMBER OF PDA, THERE IS SOME SUNSHINE VIOLATION THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE POTENTIAL ISSUES. SO THAT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO DO.

SO YOU MAY WANT TO -- YOU COULD APPOINT SOMEONE TO THAT SEAT OTHER THAN WHAT THE AHAC RECOMMENDED OR WE COULD SEND IT BACK TO AHAC, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.

IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO REOPEN THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THAT SEAT, WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. IF WE ARE ADVISED TO DO SUCH. OTHERWISE, YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION POOL THAT YOU HAVE BACK TO AHAC TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO. THAT'S THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM.

OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. MR. WALDRON?

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE I BROUGHT YOU BEFORE IS ON JOHN'S APPLICATION. HE WAS NOT PUT ON THE PDA BOARD. IN A MEETING WITH ME HE REQUESTED TO STAY ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT HE SEE APPOINTEE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IS -- I KNOW YOU PUT IT DOWN.

>> RIGHT. HE -- WELL I DID. AFTER YOU AND I SPOKE I LOOK BACK AT MR. WOODARD'S

APPLICATION, HE ONLY WROTE PDA. >> OKAY.

>> HE DID NOT WRITE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS AN INTEREST. SO I LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU ALL. AGAIN, IF YOU COULD OPEN IT BACK UP, WE NORMALLY ADVERTISE FOR FOUR WEEKS. IF YOU COULD DO IT AT THAT. HOWEVER SINCE THAT SEAT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED, YOU COULD DO IT FOR SURE ADVERTISING IF YOU DECIDE IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT PARTICULAR -- ANY OF SEATS BUT PARTICULARLY THAT SEAT.

>> 21 ADDRESS AT FIRST. >> WE CAN ADDRESS IT NOW WE GOT OTHER COMMENTS. WE CAN ADDRESS THAT NOW ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S CAN BE PUBLIC COMMENT PROBABLY BE A HEALTHY THING. I WANT TO SPEAK TO OTHER COMMENTS IN THE MAY BE THE WORK ITS WAY OUT.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> THANK YOU. IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT JUST BASED UPON MR. WALDRON'S COMMENTS TO WAIT TO THE NEW YEAR AND ALLOWS MORE APPLICANTS TO COME IN ESPECIALLY THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF MS. PERKINS AND MR. WATERS I WOULD BE I WANT TO SEE IF THERE OTHER QUALIFIED PEOPLE WE WOULD OPEN UP THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT ALLOWS FOR RECOMMENDATION.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN KEITH MAXWELL, HE WAS THE THIRD MOTION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WERE TALKING ABOUT A REPLACEMENT FOR MEGAN PERKINS, I UNDERSTAND, AT THIS POINT TO THE ST. JOHN COUNTIES RESIDENT APPOINTMENT I WAS GOING TO BE PREPARED TO RECOMMEND KIM MCLEAN. FOR THE POSITION. I THINK THAT HE IS -- WE'VE HAD ROUGHLY 22 APPLICANTS SIMILAR, WE HAD 20 LAST MONTH AND I HAVE -- MR. MACLEAN HAS APPEARED BEFORE US MANY TIME. I KNOW YOU KNOW HIM WELL. MR. SMITH I WAS PREPARED TO RECOMMEND KEN MCCLAIN FOR THAT, THE THIRD POSITION IF WE GET TO IT (LAUGHING).

>> COMMISSIONER WALTER? >> MR. MACLEAN IS PRESENTLY ON THE CULTURAL REVIEW COUNCIL UNLESS THAT HAS CHANGED.

>> ACTUALLY, IF I MAY -- THERE'S BEEN AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT. MR. MACLEAN, YOUR BOARD

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>> WELL WE MAY NEED TO WAIT AS MR. BLOCKER SUGGESTED AND AN OPEN IT BACK OTHER BROTHER

APPLICANTS. >> UNCOMFORTABLE TO GO THAT

ROUTE. >> VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER

JOHNSON? >> UNCOMFORTABLE WAITING SO LONG AS THE COMMITTEE HAS SUFFICIENT MEMBERSHIP FOR A QUORUM AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT CAN ADDRESS WHETHER THE HAVING ISSUES BEEN LUKEWARM VACANCIES WE HAVE THAT MIGHT HELP ME ENCOURAGE THE DELAY OR AND ONE OR TWO MEMBERS TO THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY I LOOKED BACK AT MR. LAZAR AND HE SHOOK HIS HEAD NO. THERE'S NO QUORUM ISSUES AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU. OUTSCORED THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. THIS BOARD OBVIOUSLY MR. WALDRON.

>> WAS THAT ON THE CITIZEN APPOINTEE.

>> NO, SIR. I THINK WHAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON IS THE CITIZEN APPOINTEE, ACTUALLY OPENING UP THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND IN FOUR WEEKS AND THEN ALLOWING THE AHAC COMMITTEE TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BOARD. I THINK FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE BOARD AT A FUTURE DATE BUT I THINK THE OTHER TWO RECOMMENDATIONS MAY BE CONSIDERED TODAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?

>> FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> AT THIS TIME A YEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> I SUPPORT KEN MCCLAIN I ALSO SUPPORTED DELAY UNTIL JANUARY. KEN IS A LEADER OF HIS CHURCH IS A VETERAN AND AN OUTSPOKEN ADVOCATE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND I WOULD HIGHLY ENDORSE AND.

ALSO, COULD WE HAVE A REPORT FROM THE STAFF AS TO WHY THERE ARE NO AHAC AND FHA EATING NOTICES ON THE WEBSITE? I WROTE AND MENTIONED ABOUT IT AND EVERY SINGLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN THIS COUNTY INCLUDING ONE ON THE SENSES NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY NOTICED AND ANNOUNCED AND PROPERLY VALUED. I WANT -- I WENT TO HEALTH COMMITTEE MEETING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND MR. WATCH ACCOUNT THAT MEETING IN THE HEALTH SERVICES BUILDING AWAY FROM THESE CAMERAS AWAY FROM THIS AUDITORIUM ON THE SECOND FLOOR DID NOT EVEN ALLOW US TO COMMENT. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OR ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND BOARDS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH 19 AND 286 AND FLORIDA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 SECTION 20 FOR WHICH I WOULD REMIND THE BOARD WAS ADOPTED IN 1992 BY A VOTE OF 3.8 MILLION FLORIDA VOTERS, 83 PERCENT VOTING. I HOPE THE NEW COUNTY BOARD WILL SHOW MUCH MORE RESPECT FOR OUR CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL RIGHTS INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO ATTEND MEETINGS, KNOWING THEY ARE HELD AND KNOW WHAT THE MEETINGS ARE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME

FORWARD. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE COME FORWARD WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THE PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED.

BACK TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION TO APPOINTMENTS WHICH WOULD BE -- WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SO DESIRED.

>> ANYBODY? >> IF NOT, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO SO MOTION TO AVOID APPOINT BRITTANY CORONADO AS THE HOUSING COMMITTEE FOR A PARTIAL TERM SCHEDULED TO ASPIRE Ã EXPIRED 10 2020.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5-0. WILL MAKE THE SECOND MOTION TO APPOINT JERRY FULL MEYER TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS A CITIZEN WHO IS ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE RESIDENTIAL HOMEBUILDING INDUSTRY FOR A FULL FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 17, DECEMBER 17, 2023.

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AND IT, TOO, PASSES 5-0. I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO OPEN UP THE APPLICATION PROCESS AGAIN FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO ALLOW FOR FURTHER PARTICIPATION AND ALSO I LOOK FORWARD TO A RECOMMENDATION.

>> IF YOU CAN CLARIFY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME?

>> FOUR WEEKS. >> OKAY.

>> IF THAT'S -- IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH THE BOARD?

>> SO, WILL HAVE MR. MCCORMICK, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED IN PUBLIC COMMENT AS FAR AS THE -- AS FAR AS THE PUBLICATION.

>> SURE. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, COMMISSIONERS, THE AFFORDABLE HUIZINGA ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THERE IS, ON THE COUNTY'S WEBPAGE NOTICE OF THEIR MEETINGS. WE ARE TRYING TO CHECK TO SEE IF MINUTES ARE ANYWHERE I HAVEN'T FOUND THOSE. BUT WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN FIND THOSE. I THINK WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE OTHER BOARDS WITH THE MINUTES POSTED,

CORRECT? >> THE MINUTES ARE HELD BY THE CLERK. SOME OF OUR BOARDS TO HAVE THE MINUTES ON THEIR. BUT THEY ARE INDIVIDUALLY

ADVERTISED. >> RIGHT. SO THE MEANINGS ARE ADVERTISED. I HAVEN'T SEEN -- HAVE NOT FOUND JUST IN THIS FEW MINUTES WHO IS MINUTES ARE POSTED OR NOT. YOU COULD REQUIRE THAT. THAT COULD BE A DECISION FOR THE BOARD.

ACTUALLY, ON THAT ISSUE, BUT IT MIGHT BE IS THAT IT COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, WHICH ONE SHOULD BE POSTED, PERHAPS ALL THAT TYPE OF THING HE COULD COME BACK IS

A GLOBAL THING. >> IS IS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE YOU CAN INTO IT WITH THE CHAIRMAN?

>> YES, SIR. >> ALL OF THOSE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES HAVE MINUTES, CORRECT? THEY ARE AVAILABLE PUBLICLY TO THE CLERK OF THE

COURT. >> IT'S THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL BOARDS CLERKS. SO THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE CLERK OF THE COURT IS THE ONE THAT HOLDS THAT FOR YOUR ZONING AGENCY OR YOUR CULTURAL RESOURCES REVIEW BOARD THE DESIGNATED SECRETARY. WE HAVE THEM. THERE ARE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST. IF NOT, WE MAKE THEM READILY AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO ASKS. THERE IS THE MATTER IS GOING TO HAPPEN --

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> NO, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE TO COME -- THIS COMPLETES OUR REGULAR AGENDA FOR TODAY DECEMBER 17, 2019, THE REGULAR

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MOVE ALONG INTO REPORTS I'M GOING TO MIX IT UP SO IT'S REALLY CONFUSED. COMMISSIONER BOCHNER, WILL COMMIT -- CONTINUOUS YOU.

>> AT THIS TIME IS LIKE TO ADDRESS OUR INTERIM COUNTY MR. CONRAD. MR. CONRAD, YOU'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH THE CONFIDENCE OF THIS BOARD, I'M CONFIDENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME TO THIS JOB WITH THE ENERGY, DETERMINATION AND OPEN MIND. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND PRESSING ISSUES BEFORE US.

BUT MY EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THE ENERGY, THE DRIVE, THE DETERMINATION DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT YOU'RE HERE TO ADDRESS THIS.

WE HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN YO . WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BRING BREAK CONFIDENCE TO THIS JOB. I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME YOU AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY, THIS GREAT RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S A SERIOUS RESPONSIBILITY. WE WORK FOR THE PEOPLE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ULTIMATELY, WE ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WERE GOING TO GIVE THEM GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM GREAT QUALITY. THIS IS THE BEST COUNTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA I'M CONFIDENT THAT JOE BRING THE DRIVE AND DETERMINATION TO THIS JOB. FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO WELCOME YOU.

I WILL CONTINUE TO CHARGE WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITY. I'M EXCITED ABOUT WORKING WITH YOU.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AND LEARN ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BETTER AND I EXPECT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO YOU BRING IDEAS BEFORE US. WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGING PROBLEMS AHEAD OF US AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO TAKING THOSE HEAD ON.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING AND SERVING WITH EACH ONE OF YOU IN SERVING IN THE COUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND

CONFIDENCE. >> ABSOLUTELY. ONE MORE POINT OF REFERENCE. I WANT TO REFERENCE THAT THIS PERIOD OF TIME, 1944 WE HAD THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE, WHICH WAS AN INCREDIBLE PERIOD OF AMERICAN HISTORY WHERE GREAT MEN FOUGHT

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JOHN'S COUNTY OF ALL EMPLOYEES. MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES BE WORKING CHRISTMAS DAY. OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND UTILITY WORKERS, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THAT AND THANK THEIR FAMILIES BECAUSE WHILE THE REST OF US ENJOY TIME AROUND CHRISTMAS TREE IN THE FESTIVITIES, THEY WILL BE WORKING MAKING SURE THAT THE POWER IS ON, THAT THE RESCUE THAT NEED TO BE MADE GOING FORWARD AND THAT THE PIECES KEPT. I WANT TO THANK OUR UNIFORM MEMBERS THAT MANY WHO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THEIR FAMILY THIS YEAR. MY YOUNGEST BROTHER STAFF SERGEANT -- SERGEANT FIRST CLASS ABRAHAM BLOCK IN THE MARINE CORPS WILL BE SERVING OVERSEAS DURING CHRISTMAS AND HE WILL MISS HIS FAMILY. I COMMEND HIM AND IS OTHERS THAT ARE TAKING TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY TO DO A TREMENDOUS JOB AND WE THANK THEM FOR THAT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> MR. WALDRON?

>> FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO ASK -- I THINK I GOT AN ANSWER BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US BRING BACK THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, GET A BAG ROLLING SO WE CAN FINALIZE THAT BEFORE WE GET TO THE CRAZY SEASON AGAIN. A LOT OF RESIDENTS CONTACT ME ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THE CITY IS WORKING ON THEIRS NOW. FLAGLER COUNTY SUSTAINED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THEIR EDITING -- SEEMS TO BE WORKING WELL. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. OTHER THAN THAT I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY NEW YEAR, LIKE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, APPRECIATIVE OF THOSE WHO HAVE TO WORK I PRAY THAT THERE'S QUIET TIME FOR THEM AND THAT NOTHING MAJOR HAPPENS. I APPRECIATE THE STAFF IN A HARD-WORKING FAMILY. THE OTHER NIGHT WE HAD THE CHRISTMAS GET TOGETHER HERE AND THERE WAS -- IT WENT WELL. THINGS WERE LITTLE OFFKILTER BECAUSE IT HAD TO GO ON A CALL WITH THE FIREMEN BEFORE HE COULD COME HERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DELAY THINGS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT WAS A GREAT DAY. ALL THE KIDS HAD A GREAT TIME. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> A COUPLE THINGS. FIRST OF ALL WANT TO REINFORCE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER'S COMMENTS ABOUT OUR MEN AND WOMEN SERVING US IN THE MILITARY. I HAD AN UNCLE WHO SERVED WHO FOUGHT IN THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE. HE SURVIVED THAT BUT THEN IN MARCH 1945, HE WAS KILLED IN ACTION TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE END OF THE WAR, UNFORTUNATELY. SO I'M THANKFUL FOR HIM ALSO. YESTERDAY, I HAD ALEXANDER HILL AND KATRINE STRICKLAND BE WITH ME. I THINK PREVIOUSLY THEY MET WITH COMMISSIONER BRUNK -- POPULAR. I'M TECHNICALLY CHALLENGED, LET'S SAY AND ITS 5G CELL TOWERS. AND QUICKLY, THERE ARE A SERIES OF ISSUES THAT THEY BROUGHT UP, WHICH I THINK DESERVE OUR FULL ATTENTION AS A COMMISSION. AND I WOULD ASK THE STAFF -- ARREST THE CHAIRMAN'S APPROVAL TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO AGENDA A WORKSHOP. I HAVE A LIST THAT I CAN HIGHLIGHT OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL WORKSHOP IF WE COULD ASK THE STAFF TO PREPARE -- COME PREPARED TO COMMENT ON THESE FIVE ITEMS THESE LADIES BROUGHT UP AND IT INVOLVES RISKS INVOLVED WITH 5G AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS TOWERS THAT WERE LONGER WAVES, BUT LESS STRENGTH. THESE ARE SHORTER WAVES WITH A LOT MORE POWER. AND THEY RAISE QUESTIONS AND THEY BROUGHT FORTH SOME REPORTS DONE BY HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL RESEARCHERS THAT RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASED CANCER PARTICULARLY IN YOUNG PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY IN CHILDRENÓVIOLATIONS WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I'D LIKE TO SHARE THIS WITH THE STAFF AND ASKED THEM TO BRING THIS IN THE NEW YEAR, A WORKSHOP THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND DECIDE IF WE WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GO FORWARD OR NOT.

>> VERY GOOD. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. >> OKAY. I WILL SHARE THIS

WITH THE STAFF. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY QUICKLY, I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY YESTERDAY AFTERNOON TO GO WITH DARRELL AND JOY AND SEVERAL OTHER STAFF TO INSPECT MACKLER'S LANDING LOT IN THE ACTIVITY GOING ON. IT WAS INTERESTING. IT WAS EYE-OPENING FOR ME. ONE THING

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>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER JONES.

>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY JANIK OUT. IT IS TRULY A PLEASURE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY THAT I GREW UP IN AND SEE THE MANY DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR FESTIVALS AND CELEBRATIONS THIS ECONOMY IS EASIER THAN EIGHT OR 10 YEARS AGO. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY TAKES IT FOR GRANTED THESE DAYS. I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF AND IN PARTICULAR, I GOT A HEARTWARMING PHONE CALL FROM A CONSTITUENT LAST WEEK THEY WANTED ME TO BE SURE TO THANK HANK MEANS IN OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT. HE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE HE DID NOT A WAY TO GO TO AND HE WAS DIRECTED TO MR. MEANS. AND HE SAID HE WAS OVERWHELMED WITH THE RESPONSIVENESS OF COMPETENCY AND THE WAY IN WHICH IT WAS HANDLED. HE ADMITTED HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION HE JUST KNEW HE NEEDED HELP AND DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO AND HANK WAS SOMEONE THAT TOOK THE TIME TO TAKE CARE OF HIM AND GUIDE HIM THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND WITH FAVORABLE RESULTS I PROMISED IF I COULD REMEMBER I COULD THANK MR. MEANS PERSONALLY. BUT THAT GOES TO EVERY ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES. I KNOW YOU DON'T DO THE WORK, YOU JUST DO THE JOB BECAUSE IT YOUR JOB. BUT YOU DO IT SO WELL THAT PEOPLE WILL TAKE THE TIME TO CALL ONE OF US OR SOMEBODY ELSE TO SAY THIS WAS THE EXPERIENCE I HAD AND I DO APPRECIATE IT. IT'S REALLY PART OF THE JOY OF LIVING IN THIS COUNTY IN SERVING THIS COMMUNITY AND I WANTED TO EXTEND THAT THANKS. I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR STATE LEGISLATURE IN DOT. I KNOW I DON'T AGREE WITH THEM AT TIMES AS WE ARE A DONOR COUNTY WE PROVIDE MORE TAXES AND WE RECEIVED BACK, BUT IN THIS AGENDA THAT WE APPROVE THE RECEIVED A $0.35 MILLION IN TAXPAYER MONEY FOR ROADWAY MAINTENANCE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER NEEDS THAT ARE GREATLY NEEDED IN OUR COUNTY. AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT EDUCATING TO LET THEM KNOW HOW THINGS ARE IMPROVED AND HOW THEY ARE MONITORED AND ATTRACT SO THAT WE DO KEEP UP WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, THE UTILITIES AND THE OTHER THINGS AS WE DO GROW. OUR STATE OR FEDERAL OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TAKE SERIOUSLY NOT JUST THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE BUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE HEARD AND THIS IS THE RESPONSE. THIS IS JUST PART OF DOING THE JOB. WE APPROVED IT ON A CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THAT'S $8 MILLION AS OF TODAY THAT WE DID NOT HAVE IN OUR BUDGET TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE OUR ROADWAYS THAT PEOPLE -- UNLESS THEY HAVE -- A NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE THEY DON'T KNOW. I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF WORKS WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FLOW OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY COMES BACK TO US WHETHER IT'S MOST NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE AND QUALITY-OF-LIFE ISSUES. THIS IS JUST THE FLOW OF WORK THAT WE ALL DO. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN, MAKING THAT A POSSIBILITY AND BRINGING IT TO PEOPLE'S ATTENTION THAT WE HEAR YOU. WE RECOGNIZE THAT CHANGE IS SCARY AND THAT CHANGE IS HAPPENING TO ACCOMMODATE THE FLOW OF RESIDENCE TO OUR COUNTY AND OUR STATE, CLOSE TO 900 PEOPLE A DAY ARE STILL MOVING NET INCREASE THEIR HAVING 5 TO 7000 PEOPLE MET INCREASE IN OUR COUNTY PER YEAR OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. THAT IS ON TOP OF THE THOUSAND THAT MOVE OUT AND OTHERS MOVE IN IN THEIR PLACE. I WOULD MUCH RATHER MANAGE GROWTH. IT'S EASIER. BUT WE DO NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROCESS WORKS. MONEY IS FLOWING TO THE AREAS IT'S MOST

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REQUEST FOR TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOCHNER, I WOULD ASK THAT WE GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW BEST TO PROCEED. YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES WHICH IS A PROCESS WE HAVE OTHER COUNTIES THEY BRING TO US THAT HAVE HIRED INTERNAL CANDIDATES OF PEOPLE LOCALLY. WE ARE FORTUNATE WE HAVE SEVERAL COUNTIES AROUND A SET OF GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS RECENTLY. I REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN SO HOW WE SHOULD PLAY OUT. WHETHER THAT IS AN OUTSIDE FIRM. SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO COST MORE THAN OTHERS. I'D LIKE TO SEE A COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS. WE NEED -- BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON A SEARCH FIRM THAT GOES AND BRINGS US CANDIDATES THAT WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY HAPPY WITH. I THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DO THIS. THERE'S A PROCEDURE IN A PROCESS TO AID WITH US. THERE ALSO COULD BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT MAY BE WE ARE NOT THINKING OF AS WE SIT HERE. BUT I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CORRECT -- DIRECT ADMINISTRATOR THAT IS SITTING UP FOR US. OUR YOU KNOW, SOUND OFF ON IT. I WOULD JUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT DIRECTING THE FIRM THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST OPTION. THE OTHER OPTIONS JOE COBB DISPATCH CAN BE AS EFFECTIVE IN TWO OTHER COUNTIES RECENTLY OF OF GONE THROUGH

THIS FOR GUIDANCE. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM

THE BOARD? >> WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT IDEAS, ONE WITH A SEARCH FIRM AND THE OTHER TO GO THROUGH SOME OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL MR. DEAN.

>> IF I MAY? WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AGENDA, RATHER QUICKLY, IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ALTERNATE SELECTION PROCESSES INCLUDING HIRING A SEARCH FIRM. I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH PRESENTING ALL THE OPTIONS TO US FOR CONSIDERATION WITH THE DISCUSSION AND THEN WE CAN CHOOSE. I DO NOT WANT TO -- I DO NOT WANT TO DISMISS ANY OPTION AT THIS POINT, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO HOW WE GO ABOUT HIRING OUR NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT AT THE JANUARY MEETING, NOT MARCH, APRIL OR MAY. THEN WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THE MAJORITY DECISION WE CHOOSE. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A SEARCH FIRM, BUT IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE CHOOSE TO GO, MAYBE WE CAN ORCHESTRATE IT A LITTLE BIT AND CUT THE EXPENSES A LITTLE. WE WILL SEE. BUT IN ANY EVENT, I'D LIKE TO SEE AN AGENDA ITEM IN JANUARY TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS ON HOW TO PROCEED, HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED SELECTING THE NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> I THINK COMMISSIONER DEAN SUMMED UP WHAT I WAS THINKING. LET'S LOOK AT OUR OPTIONS. PROBABLY THE SECOND WEEK IN JANUARY COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN ON WHICH WAY TO GO. I ALSO REACH OUT TO THE PORTER

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SOMEBODY A BUNCH OF MONEY. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> AT THIS TIME WILL YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE COME FOR WITH PUBLIC COMMENT GOOD

AFTERNOON, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU ARE DOING. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A NATIONAL SEARCH A NATIONWIDE AFFIRMATIVE-ACTION SEARCH. WE NEED TO HAVE OUR REQUIREMENTS IN MIND BEFORE WE ADVERTISE THE END WE NEED TO INVOLVE THE PUBLIC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN VETTING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IDENTIFIED. I WOULD VOLUNTEER TO SERVE ON ANY COMMITTEE THAT INTERVIEWED CANDIDATES. WE NEED DIVERSITY AND WE NEED TO FIGHT CORRUPTION AND WE NEED TO LOOK AS FAR AND WIDE AS POSSIBLE TO IDENTIFY AS MANY POSSIBLE QUALIFIED APPLICANTS. LET'S HEAR THEIR PROPOSALS. THESE ARE GOING TO BE VERY EXPERIENCE PEOPLE AND WHEN THEY COME BEFORE THE BOARD -- THAT'S HOW IT NEEDS TO BE DONE THEY NEED TO SPEAK BEFORE THIS BOARD. LET THEM DESCRIBE WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO MAKE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BETTER AND TO APPROVE OUR PROCESS -- IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES AND OPENNESS SUNSHINE REQUIREMENTS AND OR OTHER LEGAL COMPLIANCE. THE PROCESS THAT LED TO MR. Y CHECKS BEING HIRED IN 2007 WAS -- WHILE HE DID HAVE A NATIONAL SEARCH IT WAS FLAWED. OCTOBER 1 OF THE FORMER COMMISSIONERS AT ANOTHER ONE OF THE FORMER COMMISSIONERS VOTED FOR HIM BECAUSE HE LIKED THE WIFE.

THAT IS NOT A DFO QUEUE. WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE THE CANDIDATES WIFE ERNIE CHARACTERISTICS LIKE THAT IS NOT A BONA FIDE QUALIFICATION. WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WITH PEOPLE SKILLS. SOMEONE WHO WILL TREAT THE EMPLOYEES AND THE PUBLIC ADEQUATELY. MR. WOJCIECH NEVER ONCE RETURNED MY PHONE CALLS. WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO TREAT WOMEN AND MINORITY EMPLOYEES AND CITIZENS WITH EQUAL DIGNITY AND RESPECT AS MR. WOJCIECH DID NOT DO.

AND WE NEED TO DEFINE THE REQUIREMENTS. WHAT IS IT WERE LOOKING FOR. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH TWO MASTERS DEGREES. ALWAYS WONDERED WHY WOULD SOMEONE GET TO MASTERS DEGREES. BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE LOOKING FOR. WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS IN MIND. WRITE AN RFP BUT I THINK MAYBE WORKSHOP THIS HAS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME YOU CAN DO A GENERIC RFP OR RFQ FOR APPLICANTS TO SAY WHETHER QUALIFIED. BUT THINK OF WHAT THE FIRST HUNDRED WORDS WOULD BE IN THAT ADVERTISEMENT.

THINK OF WHAT THE NEXT 300 WORDS WOULD BE. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN SOLVE PROBLEMS. SOMEBODY BELIEVES THE GOVERNMENT CAN SOLVE PROBLEMS AND CANNOT BE THE SOURCE OF PROBLEMS. BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANUKKAH HAPPY NEW YEAR. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN NOT SEEING ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WITH THAT BEING SAID WHAT I HAVE HERE IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OPTIONS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT THE JANUARY 21 MEETING FOR SELECTION OF A NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THOSE OPTIONS CAN BE CLEARLY LAID OUT AND LAID OUT FOR US TO SELECT TO DISCUSS AND DEBATE. AND ALL

IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE DIDN'T -- DIRECTION. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. JOHNSON?

>> MERRY CHRISTMAS. WE WILL NOT BE HAVING A MEETING ON JANUARY 7. WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JANUARY 21. THAT WAS DECIDED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I BELIEVE. I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE AND ALSO WELCOME MR. CONRAD TO THE INTERIM POSITION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND DESIRE TO DO SO. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT TODAY. CABBAGE AND HASTING IS BEING HARVESTED AND BEING PLANTED LIKEWISE SOME OTHER CO CROPS ARE BEING HARVESTED AND BEING PLANTED. POTATO STARTED BE PLANTED THE LAST WEEK OF DECEMBER. SO WE WILL -- WHEN WE MEET NEXT WILL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF POTATO PLANNING. THE COLD CROPS FILE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS QUITE

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I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A BLESSED HOLIDAY SEASON ESPECIALLY REMEMBRANCE OF THE INCARNATION OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, CHRIST JESUS CAME INTO THE WORLD TO SAVE SINNERS ANY GAME TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE TO DIE AND PAY FOR OUR SINS TO BE BURIED IN RISE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY. FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. I WANT TO SAY THANKS AGAIN TO GOD FOR HIS UNSPEAKABLE GIFT.

AND WITH THAT, ADMINISTRATION? >> MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING STARTED ON A PERSONAL NOTE. I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF THAT PRESENTED THIS MORNING. IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR FROM THEM. THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB ON ONE DAY DOWN BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SERVING WITH YOU AND MERRY

CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS. P>> THE DAY IS NOT OVER, MR. CONRAD (LAUGHING). MR. BLOCKER.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD ASK MR. CONRAD -- I KNOW YOU'RE STILL GETTING -- THIS IS YOUR FIRST DAY ON THE JOB, MAYBE YOUR COMPADRES AND STAFF COULD ANSWER, IS THERE A PLAN TO GIVE STAFF THE DAY OFF, THE DAY OF CHRISTMAS EVE? I BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENED IN PRIOR YEARS?

>> OR, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CHRISTMAS EVE AND CHRISTMAS IS OFF. IT'S THE DAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS EVE THAT'S NOT OFF, SIR.

>> OKAY. IS THAT HOW WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST YEARS?

>> COMMISSIONER, IT HAS VERY BECAUSE THE DAY OF THE CHRISTMAS FALLS ON. THIS YEAR IS FALLING ON A WEDNESDAY. SO IT DOES MAKE IT AWKWARD. THERE ARE AGENCIES THAT ARE GIVING THE 23RD OFF, WHICH IS THE MONDAY AND WE HAVE RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR THAT, AND INQUIRY BECAUSE OTHER AGENCIES ARE DOING IT. WE HAVE NOT MADE THAT DECISION. THAT WOULD

REQUIRE BOARD. >> THAT'S WHY BRING IT UP NOW BECAUSE THIS IS OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS. SO IS THE STAFF MAKING A REQUEST FOR US TO EVALUATE THAT?

>>. >> WE -- SIR, WE WOULD MAKE THE REQUEST COMING ATTACK. IT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD.

>> OKAY. SO TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR THE REQUEST FOR STAFF IS MONDAY THE 23RD.

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. THAT'S WHY BROUGHT UP I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THIS NOW SOBER NOT -- WE HAD THIS ISSUE BEFORE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN AM NOT SURE HOW YOU WANT TO.

>> I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP. IF YOU ARE MAKING THIS IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.

>> SHORT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> WELL, THIS IS A TOUGH ISSUE, BUT TOUGH IN THE SENSE THAT I -- I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF HAVING WHAT WILL BE SATURDAY SUNDAY AND THEN MONDAY, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY, A FIVE DAY HOLIDAY. HAVING BEEN IN THIS POSITION FOR 30 YEARS WITH RESPECT TO DEALING WITH HOLIDAYS, MY RECOMMENDATION I GET WHEN I SAY THAT, HAD TO CHOOSE MYSELF, I HAD TO CHOOSE ON WHAT TIME TO TAKE OFF AROUND CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S AND I HAVE TO SAY, THAT I HEARD A NEWS REPORT EITHER YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE, THAT -- IT MAY BE SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME, THAT THE STATE WAS STILL CONSIDERING OR NOT EVEN GIVING CHRISTMAS EVE OFF TO STATE WORKERS. AND AGAIN, WE ALL LIKE TO HAVE, ANNUAL LEAVE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE HAVE -- HAVING RECOGNIZED CHRISTMAS EVE DAY AND CHRISTMAS AS OFF, AN EMPLOYEE CAN USE THREE DAYS OF ANNUAL LEAVE, MONDAY THURSDAY AND FRIDAY AND HAVE NINE DAYS OF HOLIDAY. THAT EQUATES TO BOOKENDS TWO WEEKENDS AND THREE DAYS OF AND THE LEAVE. YOU GET NINE DAYS OF THE PRICE OF THREE. AND SO, I DON'T WANT TO BE A SCROOGE, BUT I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO SUPPORT INCLUDING MONDAY IS A HOLIDAY WHEN -- AND YOU COULD JUST TAKE ONE DAY AT

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>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?

>> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IT DOES NOT HAVE A SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND? SEEING NONE, IT WILL FAIL FOR LACK OF A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM

ADMINISTRATION? >> NO, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LEGAL? LET ME START WITH A LITTLE GOOD NEWS. I HAVE PROVIDED RECENTLY TO YOU A PROPOSED AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND FLAGLER COUNTY. IT WAS RELATED TO YOUR CONSENT WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH FLAGLER COUNTY IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME TIME AS YOUR CONSENT 38 TODAY SO I WILL NOT PBE ASKING YOU TODAY FOR APPROVAL OTHER THAN THAT I WOULD JUST ALSO LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANUKKAH HAPPY HOLIDAYS THIS SPECIAL TIME A YEAR TO BE WITH FAMILY, FRIENDS AND THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAI

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