May 07, 2026 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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>> , YES, WE ARE GOING TO BE CALLING THIS COUNTY A -- MEETING TO ORDER, IF YOU WILL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, I WILL BREAK WITH OUR USUAL TRADITION TODAY AND I WILL SAY A BRIEF PRAYER.

WE HAD A PRAYER MEETING TODAY THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER, AND WE HAD PEOPLE FROM PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW, 20-30 DIFFERENT CHURCHES HERE TODAY, IN UNITY PRAYING TOGETHER FOR OUR COUNTRY, FIRST RESPONDERS, CHILDREN.

WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP WITH A BRIEF WORD OF PRAYER.

LORD JESUS THANK YOU FOR BEING REAL CALCULATE YOUR TRUE CALCULATE YOUR GOOD, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US JESUS CHRIST TO BE THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN ME AND YOU. THANK YOU FOR CARING FOR EVERY PERSON AND PROBLEM ON THIS WORLD, ON THIS EARTH.

RIGHT AND HELP PEOPLE SAY THAT YOU ARE GOOD, AND HELP BRING LIGHT INTO THE DARKNESS, HELP OUR DECISIONS TODAY IN JESUS NAME. AMEN.

FIRST THING WE WILL DO IS READ THE STATEMENT -- OH.

>> THERE WE GO. THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW, THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AS DESIGNATED TIME DURING HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MAY DO SO BY FILLING OUT -- NEVER MIND, SKIP THAT. ARE WE STILL DOING THAT? OKAY. SORRY.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WITH 3 MINUTES, SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY IF THEY DO NOT -- IF THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDER AT THIS HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AND WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS WAS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN THE MEETING LIKE DOCUMENTS, CHARTS OR DIAGRAMS OR WITNESS STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD, THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARDS, AGENCIES, IN REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATED TO THEM.

AGENCY -- AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE IF THEY HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.

IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSON INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES, WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, IS AMY RAYNE HERE? I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CHANGING THE ORDER OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS AND PUTTING THE LGC A. HOME BASED BUSINESS TO THE END, AND ALLOWING OUR APPLICANTS TO GO FIRST, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE?

>> THAT IS FINE. >> WE WILL MOVE ITEM NUMBER 5 TO NUMBER 6 AND NUMBER 6 TO NUM NUMBER 5.

OKAY. THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS OPEN THE MICROPHONE TO PUBLIC COMMENT, IF ANYBODY HAS PUBLIC COMMENT, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA YOU MAY COME UP NOW AND SPEAK WITH 3 MINUTES.

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 04/02/2026]

[1. SUPMAJ 2026-02 Deerpark Garden (Brewery). Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 2.03.58 of the Land Development Code, to allow for a Microbrewery in Commercial General (CG) zoning, specifically located on the corner of State Road 207 and Deerpark Boulevard.]

ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER 1, JEREMIAH MULLIGAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK

AGENCY MEMBERS TO REPORT ANY -- >> I VISITED THE SITE, ALSO

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>> MR. GREEN OKAY, THANK YOU. I ALSO HAD A SITE VISIT AS WELL.

AND SPOKE WITH JEREMIAH MULLIGAN ALSO.

WE MAY BEGIN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS JEREMIAH MULLIGAN, I AM HERE WITH THE THE MARY LAW FIRM REPRESENTING WHITE WICKED HOLDINGS. I HAVE WITH ME TRAVIS, BUSINESS OWNERS HERE LOCALLY, OF WHITE ORCHID.

AND WE ARE EXCITED TO PRESENT AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WHAT WE ARE SEEKING IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DEVELOP A MICROBREWERY AND DISTILLERY, PROPERTY LOCATED AT VIEW PARK. THE PROJECT IS LARGER THAN JUST A DISTILLERY, THERE'S A RESTAURANT COMPONENT, THERE'S A GARDENS COMPONENT, THERE IS A 6-ACRE PARCEL, WE ARE DEVELOPING AN ENTIRE PROJECT ON THIS 6 ACRES.

WE ARE HERE JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE DISTILLERY TODAY BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONE COMPONENT WE NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND SO, AGAIN THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT DEER PARK BOULEVARD, PAST 95. THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE PROPERTY IS A MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THE ZONING IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK STAFF, I'M SURE YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE REPORT, THEY WERE VERY DELIGHTFUL TO WORK WITH AND HERE PULLING DIRECTLY FROM THE REPORT, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE.

THEY HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL WALKING US THROUGH THE PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU. BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE USE AND THE DISTILLERY AND MICROBREWERY IS AN ALLOWABLE USE WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SHOW YOU THE GENERAL SITE PLAN, AS I ALLUDED TO THIS IS A MUCH LARGER PROJECT THAN JUST 9600-FOOT FACILITY. WE HAVE RESTAURANTS, GARDENS, AND IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY SPECIAL PROJECT.

WE ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED. I WILL INVITE TRAVIS SHELTER TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, AS FAR AS THE RUM KEG AND MAYBE MORE ABOUT WHAT THE PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT THE THEME IS. I WOULD DO IT BUT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT IT EVERYBODY IS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND HE IS A MUCH BETTER PRESENTER. LIKE I SAID WE ARE JUST HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DISTILLERY, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LIMITED PORTION OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN IS THE LOCATION, OF A BACKUP AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE FACILITY THAT I ZOOMED IN HERE.

AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IS THE DISTILLERY AND BAKERY AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES.

SO FOLKS THAT COME TO THE% RESTAURANT HAVE THE ABILITY TO WALK THROUGH THE GARDENS, LOOK AT SOME OF THE NATURE COMPONENTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY, AND GO TO THE DISTILLERY AND SEE WHAT THE OPERATIONS LOOK LIKE AND HAVE TASTINGS THERE AS WELL.

SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING, IS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, FIRST FLOOR WILL BE PREDOMINANTLY USED FOR THE DISTILLERY. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE TASTING ROOM, IDENTIFIED ON THE FLOOR PLAN HERE, THIS IS A PRETTY BASIC FLOOR PLAN, IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO PROHIBITION KITCHEN YOU KNOW THESE GUYS ARE PRETTY GREAT AT COMING UP WITH DESIGNS.

WHAT WE HAVE ANTICIPATED IS THAT ONCE WE ARE BUILDING THIS OUT, THE INTERIOR WILL POP THE EYE A LITTLE BIT.

YOU WILL SEE A LITTLE IDEA OF WHAT THE CONCEPT IS, WE DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS AT THIS POINT, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. AND SO THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE AN AREA PREDOMINANTLY THE OFFICE SPACE MEANT FOR THE DISTILLERY.

ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION AT THIS POINT IS THAT WHILE WHITE ORCHID HOLDINGS WILL BE THE PROPERTY OWNER, WE DO ANTICIPATE LEASING OF THE PROPERTY TO A SEPARATE COMPANY THAT WILL ACTUALLY DO THE DISTILLING FOR THE RUM, WHICH WAS OUR PRIMARY

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AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE THROUGH THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING, AND IT'S DESIGNED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL MIXED USE AREA AND THERE SHOULD NOT BE AN IMPACT ON PUBLIC SERVICES OR INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS KIND OF THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT IS RIGHT BEHIND PRIMARILY INDUSTRIAL, SO YOU WILL NOT SEE THE SAME IMPACTS IF YOU WERE IN A COMMERCIAL AREA.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE GENERAL PROVISIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE SPECIAL USE, THERE IS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MICROBREWERY DISTILLERY AND 6.0 KEG WHICH IS THE FACILITY WILL BE USED PRIMARILY FOR PROD PRODUCTION.

MAX SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET, THERE WON'T BE ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE, SCREENING EQUIPMENT AND DOING THE DISTILLING INDOORS. SO AS THE STAFF REPORT INDICATED, AS I THINK YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH EACH OF THE PROVISIONS OF THESE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES.

WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE UNDER -- ALL OPERATIONS WILL BE INDOORS, WE WON'T HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE, NO EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE.

AND SO BACK TO THE CRITERIA FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THE FIRST ONE IS IT WOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND BENEFITS, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT WILL DO IS HAVE A JOB CREATION, WE ANTICIPATE 5-10 JOBS TO START, THE OPERATION OF THE DISTILLERY AND THE TOURS ARE GOING TO KIND OF DEPEND ON TRAFFIC. I THINK AS -- IF WE ARE LUCKY AND WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING OUT, AND HAVING A LOT OF TOURS, THAT WILL INCREASE THE NEED BUT THE PRIMARY USE OF THE FACILITY IS DISTILLING THE RUM. WE THINK 5-10 EMPLOYEES AT THE START IS REASONABLE. WE ANTICIPATE THIS BEING A TOURISM DESTINATION, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE GREATER FACILITY, YOU LOOK AT THE GRAND PLANS OR IDEAS.

IT IS A GOOD LOCATION KIND OF CLOSE TO THE 95, IT'S NOT DOWNTOWN. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK OUR COMMUNITY REALLY NEEDS IS MORE FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT BURDENING INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY.

THIS DOES THAT. IT ALSO CREATES SOME ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION, ONE OF THE OTHER BENEFITS IS WE DO USE LOCAL CONSULTANTS, WE WORK WITH RESTAURANTS AND LOCAL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. THAT IS ANOTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING LOCALS FROM SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY DEVELOP THIS.

SO -- COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING AREAS, MORE LIKE -- IT LOOKS LIKE AN EGG BUT AS FAR AS THE CIRCLE, TRYING TO IDENTIFY THIS AS A THOUSAND FEET AROUND THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITHIN 100O CHURCHES, NOTHING THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED. THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTIES ARE APPROXIMATELY 2000 FEET AWAY. WE HAVE WATER TREATMENT ON ONE SIDE. SO YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE, WHAT I WOULD BE THE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

WHAT THE SURROUNDING USES ARE, I GIVE KUDOS TO STAFF WHO DEVELOPED THIS, THEY DID SUCH A GOOD JOB.

WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS EACH OF THE SURROUNDING PARCELS,

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YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE PLANNED COMMERCIAL FACILITIES IN SOME OF THESE PUDS, AND THAT WORRIED ME BECAUSE WHEN I SAW A PUD LOCATED ACROSS, I WAS WORRIED IT WAS RESIDENTIAL BUT IT IS MORE COMMERCIAL SPACES. SO AGAIN THAT SUPPORTS THE IDEA, IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES, FACILITY FOR DISTILLERY. I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, ONE OF THE COMPONENTS WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE, STAFF REPORT REVIEWED AND FOUND THE INDICATE THERE IS NO ISSUES WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOWED WHAT THE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE SO WE CAN SEE THERE'S A TURN SIGNAL HERE NOW, WHICH IS A GREAT THING I THINK FOR THE AREA.

YOU HAVE TURN LANES, YOU HAVE ENOUGH OF A ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS, THERE IS INDUSTRIAL BEHIND THE PARCEL. THAT SEEMS TO BE AN AREA THAT HAS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND SO WITH THAT, OUR FEELING IS THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE, WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, THIS IS SOMETHING PERMITTED IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED AND FOUND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE MET, BUILDING CODE STANDARDS, AND WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE MICROBREWERY DISTILLERY OPERATIONS.

WE ARE ASKING THAT THE PLANNING COMES BACK AND SUPPORT THAT, WE MEET THE CRITERIA. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO NOW IS COME UP AND GIVE YOU A BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT MATTY RUM IS, AND GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT IS

THAT WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT. >> HELLO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS TRAVIS, IN RESPECT TO YOUR TIME, GETTING PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT SO I GAVE JEREMIAH INFORMATION TO CUT ME OFF AT ANY MOMENT BECAUSE I CAN GET PRETTY INTO WHY WE ARE DOING THIS.

WITH A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THIS IS MATTY RUM.

I GREW UP IN THE HOSPITALITY WORLD, A FAMILY OF RESTAURATEURS, IT IS A LANGUAGE THAT I STARTED SPEAKING FROM A YOUNG AGE. I ENDED UP JOINING SCHOOL FOR A WHILE, ECOLOGY AND CONSERVATION, FELL IN LOVE WITH THE WILD WORLD. THAT BECAME A LANGUAGE THAT I HAVE LOVED LEARNING MORE AND MORE.

WHEN MY BROTHER A LONG TIME AGOI WAS EXPLORING MADAGASCAR, MY DAD HEARD ABOUT MADAGASCAR VANILLA BEANS, HE SAID BRING SOME BACK SO WE CAN USE IT FOR TIRAMIU AND CREME BRULEE.

SO I BROUGHT BACK 2 KILOGRAMS, HE JUST SO HAPPENED TO PUT SOME IN A HORRIBLE VODKA KEG AND IT TRANSFORMED THE FLAVOR, IT MADE THE VODKA DELICIOUS. SO MY BROTHER AND HIS BEST FRIEND CAME UP WITH THE IDEA AFTER LOOKING AT THE MARKET, INSTEAD OF VANILLA VODKA, THERE IS NO VANILLA RUM OUT THERE. WE TRIED IT CAME OUT INCREDIBLE, AND I HAD CONNECTED WITH SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SUSTAINABLE FARM OUT IN MADAGASCAR, THAT IS THE EPICENTER OF WHERE MADI RUM CAME TO LIFE. IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING THIS RUM, ONE THING I'M VERY EXCITED OF BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO LIFE IS SHARING THE STORY OF OUR NATURAL WORLD WITH EVERY VISITOR THAT STEPS FOOT ON THE PROPERTY. THAT STORY IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OTHER STORY, IS MADI RUM CHIEF INGREDIENT, WHICH IS VANILLA.

SO THE INFUSION OF VANILLA IS THE PROCESS THAT MAKES MADI RUM DELICIOUS, BUT IT GOES EVEN DEEPER THAN THAT.

SO VANILLA IS AN ORCHID THAT GROWS LIKE A VINE, 500 YEARS AGO -- THE REASON I'M EVEN SHARING THIS STORY RIGHT NOW, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WILL HEAR WHEN THEY COME TO THE PROPERTY.

ALONG WITH ANOTHER -- A. LOT OF OTHER ONES LIKE THIS HOPING TO TIE THEIR SOUL TO PLANET EARTH IS SO REMARKABLE AND WHY THIS COUNTY AND PROPERTY IS SO SPECIAL.

VANILLA IS AN ORCHID THAT GROWS LIKE A VINE, 500 YEARS AGO IN THE EARLY 1500S WHEN THEY WENT TO MEXICO WHERE VANILLA IS

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IT BECAME A GLOBAL QUEST FOR THE EUROPEAN COLONIZERS WITH THE FRENCH AND THEIR COLONIES IN THE INDIAN OCEAN, THE SPANISH, THE PHILIPPINES, TO RACE TO UNLOCK THAT SECRET THAT WOULD PRODUCE AT THE TIME VALUABLE SPICE. IT IS STILL THE SECOND MOST VALUABLE SPICE. IT WAS A RACE, FOR 300 YEARS IT WASN'T UNTIL 1841 THAT A LITTLE 12-YEAR-OLD BOY NAMED EDMOND ALBIUS FIGURED OUT ON THE ISLAND OF RÉUNION IN THE INDIAN OCEAN, IF YOU TAKE THE ROSTELLUM OFF OF THE FLOWER, PIERRE SAID WITH A STICK AND YOU GET THAT MALE PART TO TOUCH THE STIGMA OF THE FLOWER, IT CONCRETE VANILLA. AND OF COURSE BECAUSE HE WAS A THEY STOLE THE TITLE FROM HIM, AND ENDED UP GIVING IT TO A NEIGHBORING SLAVE OWNER AND HE ENDED UP DYING PENNILESS.

THAT STORY OF VANILLA, WHEN THE FRENCH HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, IT BECAME A GLOBAL EPICENTER AND THEIR REUNION ISLAND AND MADAGASCAR, THAT IS WHY VANILLA TODAY COMES MAINLY FROM MADAGASCAR. IT IS THE GOLD STANDARD THROUGH THAT STORY. THAT IS A LITTLE HISTORY AND WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE THAT. ON THIS PROPERTY, -- SO THE HISTORY OF VANILLA IS PRETTY FASCINATING, IT DOES TIE INTO CONSERVATION LIKE WHERE WE SOURCE IT, IT DOES TIE INTO THE HISTORY, TYING RIGHT INTO THIS TOWN AND COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS ALL LIKE A HISTORY LESSON AND WE WILL MAKE IT ENGAGING.

SOMETHING WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT IS NOT JUST WHAT IS IN THE PAST, WHAT IS IN THE FUTURE? ON THIS PROPERTY THERE IS A VANILLA GREENHOUSE, A VANILLA CONSERVATORY, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW ANYTHING I SHARED ABOUT VANILLA, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS CUTTING EDGE, THE FUTURE OF WHERE VANILLA IS GOING. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, THERE IS A HANDFUL OF VANILLA SPECIES, BUT IN THE GENUS THERE'S OVER 108 SPECIES. THE MAIN COMMERCIAL CROP OF VANILLA IS VANILLA PLANIFOLIA. IN THIS VANILLA CONSERVATORY WE WILL FEATURE ALL 108 SPECIES, SOMETHING THAT IS FASCINATING, FOR THOUSAND YEARS AGO THERE WAS A VILLAGE IN ETHIOPIA, IN THE 1990S AN ANTHROPOLOGY FOUND -- ON A CLAY JAR IN ETHIOPIA AND HYPOTHESIZED HOW COULD A VILLAGE 4000 YEARS AGO BE TRADING VANILLA WITH THE MESOAMERICAN, AND IT STUMBLED TO HER.

IT WAS A MYSTERY. IT TURNS OUT THEY NEVER WERE TRADING WITH THE MESOAMERICANS, WHAT THAT VILLAGE WAS DOING FOR THOUSAND YEARS AGO IS TAKING A NATIVE SPECIES OF VANILLA FROM THEIR AREA, AND THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO SWEAT, DRY, FERMENT THAT GREEN BEAN TO INCREASE THE VANILLIN CONTENT GIVING VANILLA ITS FLORAL FRAGRANCE AND FLAVOR, THEY FIGURE THAT OUT 4000 YEARS AGO. WITH VANILLA, A SPECIES NATIVE TO AFRICA THAT IS 108 SPECIES OF VANILLA IN THE GENUS.

ONLY ONE TODAY IS CONSUMED. EVERYTHING ELSE IS A MYSTERY.

THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO FERMENT THOSE BEANS WAS LOST WITH TIME. HERE THE VANILLA CONSERVATORY WILL FEATURE ALL 108 SPECIES. HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, HOPEFULLY THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME ANY ENEMIES, THEY GOT THEIR CHAMBERS -- DOCTOR CHAMBERS ARE EXCITED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT AND I AM OPEN TO OTHER ACCREDITATIONS FROM DIFFERENT PLACES IF THERE'S INTEREST.

BUT LITERALLY FEATURING THESE VANILLA SPECIES HAS THE POTENTIAL, HAS A SECRET INSIDE OF THEIR BEANS OF UNLOCKING DIFFERENT FRAGRANCES OF FLAVOR THAT THE WORLD MAY HAVE NOT EVER TRIED, OR HAVE TRIED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO IN OUR ANTIQUITY.

THIS ONE LITTLE FACET TIES THE BEAUTY OF OUR MAIN INGREDIENT TOWARDS THE CULTURAL, THE CONSERVATIONAL, AND THE CUISINE WORLD THAT WILL BE FEATURED RIGHT THERE ON THIS PROPERTY.

ALONG WITH LOTS OF SAMPLES THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WITH YOU, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE, I'M AN OPEN BOOK AND REALLY EXCITED

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>> TO CONTINUE THAT -- PERFECT. >> LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT IS ENTHUSIASTIC AND IT IS CONTAGIOUS.

THAT IS MADI RUM. THIS IS THE GENERAL RENDERING, THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO. LIKE I SAID IT GIVES A SENSE OF THE SPIRIT OF THE PROJECT AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE WILL BE DOING IS TOURS SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF WHAT HAPPENS.

ONE OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LARGER SITE PLAN, WE DO HAVE THE ANTIQUE PLAN THAT WE ANTICIPATE PUTTING AS A CENTERPIECE. IT ACTUALLY MIRRORS AND GOES WITH ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING, WHICH IS A MARKETING TOOL WHERE WE HAVE ANOTHER PLAN WE ARE UTILIZING KAGWE RETROFITTED IT, AND USING IT TO GO TO CONFERENCES, CONVENTIONS, LIKE FOOD AND WINE CONVENTIONS, WE ARE OPENING UP THE WINGS AND INVITING THEM ON THE PLANE AND TELLING THEM THE STORY. SO EXCITING PROJECT, REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE IT HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

WE THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE THIS, AND WE ARE EXCITED. WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I CAN SEE THERE IS A LOT OF PASSION BEHIND THIS AND YOUR STORY REALLY ADDED A LOT OF FLAVOR AND DEPTH TO THE WHOLE APPLICATION SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING ALL THAT INFORMATION FORWARD. LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. >> I HAVE A QUICK CLARIFICATION, WHAT YOU SAID DURING YOUR INITIAL SPEECH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR, WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO CONSUME ALCOHOL, SO THE DISCUSSION IS CORRECT.

I THINK YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE IN YOUR EXHIBIT B IT COULD BE ANYWHERE IN THERE, I THINK THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CONVERSATION IS ONE THAT THE BOARD HAS AS -- TO HAVE IT CORRECT, SO WE ARE PROVIDING

WHAT YOU WANT OR NEED. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT IS A GOOD POINT TO BRING UP.

IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT IS ACTUALLY SOME PRETTY ROBUST RESTRICTIONS ON HOW YOU CAN OPERATE A DISTILLERY.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS TO HAVE THIS PRICE FOR THE DISTILLERY. THE DISTILLERY ITSELF, THE TASTING WILL BE HAPPENING THERE WILL JUST BE INSIDE.

IT WILL JUST BE IN THE DISTILLERY BUILDING.

THE RESTAURANT ITSELF ALSO PRESUMABLY A LICENSE THAT WILL ALLOW ALCOHOL SALES TO BE MADE ON PREMISES.

AND WHEN THE RESTAURANT PORTION OF THE FACILITY, THE ONLY CONSUMPTION CAN HAPPEN IN THE DISTILLERY ITSELF.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ON THE RECORD THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IF YOU TALK WALKING ACROSS THE PROPERTY THAT MAY CAUSE ISSUES. AYES THAT WOULD CERTAINLY CAUSE OTHER ISSUES. MAYBE WITH THE STATE.

JUST FROM A LICENSING PERSPECTIVE, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO

HAVE THAT IMPLEMENTED. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. MR. GREEN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

THE STATE IS VERY RESTRICTIVE ABOUT THAT.

YOU CAN DO THE DISTILLERY AND THE TASTING, ONE MORE, CAN YOU

SELL THERE? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE AREA IF WE WERE TO --

>> I WOULD BE WARY ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND

THIS. >> I GOT YOU.

>> AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE GETTING WHAT YOU NEED WHILE YOU ARE HERE. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DISTILLERY AND TASTE IT, THEN YOU CAN GO TO A SEPARATE BUILDING OR A SEPARATE BUSINESS, OKAY, AND NOW I CAN GO IN AND

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AND POSSIBLY BUY IT. >> WE WOULD HAVE AN APPROPRIATE

LICENSE, PACKAGE LICENSE. >> PACKAGE LICENSE, OKAY, YOU ARE GOING TO DO ALL YOUR STORYTELLING -- HOW MANY YEARS

DOES THE RUM HAS TO SAY? >> RUM DOESN'T HAVE TO SIT VERY

LONG AT ALL. >> IT'S NOT LIKE BOURBON?

>> YOU CAN DO AN AGED RUM, BUT MOST OF THE -- MOST OF THE RUM

MOVES PRETTY QUICKLY. >> SO YOU GOT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE DISTILLERY, HOW ABOUT THE RESTAURANT? I ASSUME THOSE WOULD BE DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS.

>> YES, SIR,. >> MAYBE THIS IS LEGAL STUFF.

WOULD THEY NEED TWO SPECIAL USE PERMITS?

>> YES, SIR. >> IT IS ONLY THE ONE NAME THE

WAY I READ THIS APPLICATION. >> YES, SIR, THERE'S NO NEED FOR A SPECIAL USE FOR THE RESTAURANT THE RESTAURANT IS ALLOWABLE AS A COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING, FUTURE LAND USE AREA.

WE WON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE FOR THAT.

THE ONLY SPECIAL USE WE NEED IS FOR THE DISTILLERY.

>> JUST THE LIQUOR LICENSE. >> THAT IS RIGHT.

>> OR SERVING LICENSE, WHATEVER THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT TO SELL OR CONSUME IT. OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE GETTING WHAT YOU NEED.

I KNOW THE STAFF IS VERY GOOD AT THIS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN I AM VOTING THAT I AM VOTING CORRECTLY AYES TO YOUR POINT YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY, WHITE ORCHID OWNS ALL OF THE PROPERTY.

OUR ANTICIPATION IS WE WILL LEASE THE DISTILLERY TO A SEPARATE ENTITY, THAT WILL COMPLY WITH THE FLORIDA LIQUOR LAW LICENSE. ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER THIS TO ANOTHER ENTITY. IT WILL TECHNICALLY BE RUN --

>> DOES THAT CLARIFY THE MOTION? AYES CLARIFY THAT ON THE BACK END WITH THE MOTION AND THEN STAFF WILL MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT.

>> IT WILL JUST BE FOR ONE TRANSFER --

>> WE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE. >> I KNOW I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL. >> YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

GIVEN THE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, OF THE RESTAURANT?

>> WE HOPE IT'S ROBUST. [CHUCKLING] NO WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETE AT THIS POINT.

THE ROADWAYS WE ARE USING SEEM TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY AT THIS POINT. WITH THE 207 BEING THERE, HAVING THE INDUSTRIAL FACILITY BEHIND IT, THE ROADWAY IS COMPLIANT.

I THINK IT IS PROBABLY UNDERUTILIZED.

>> YOU SAID THE DISTILLERY WILL BE LEASED OUT, IS THE RESTAURANT ALSO GOING TO BE LEASED? OR IS THAT INTERNAL?

>> I AM UNSURE AT THIS POINT. I THINK THERE WILL BE A SEPARATE ENTITY AS WELL, BUT IT WILL BE ANOTHER CLOSELY HELD ENTITY.

YEAH. I THINK THERE WILL BE -- THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT JUST FROM A STRUCTURAL LEGAL, STRUCTURAL WAY WE CAN PROBABLY

DO THAT YES. >> THANK YOU FOR THE EDUCATION ON THE RUM AND THE VANILLA BEAN, THAT WAS AWESOME.

ALSO, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BREWERY AND DISTILLERY.

BREWERY IS NORMALLY BEER, DISTILLERY IS SPIRITS.

THAT'S WHY I WAS TALKING WITH MR. SMITH EARLIER BEFORE THE MEETING, HE CLARIFIED IT IS BASICALLY UNDER THE UMBRELLA.

AND IN OUR GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS -- RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR BREWERY? THOSE TWO OPERATIONS ARE HANDLED TOTALLY SEPARATE AS FAR AS THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO FOR DISTILLERY, BECAUSE OF THE FIRE HAZARDS.

BREWERY IS DIFFERENT. BREWERY GOING IN THERE, STRICTLY

SPIRITS? >> NEWBERRY, SPIRITS.

ARTICLE 12 IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, TALKING ABOUT

MICROBREWERIES -- >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

YOU WILL HAVE FOR MONUMENT SIGNS OUT THERE?

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>> I BELIEVE SO. >> CAN WE RESTRICT THAT TO THE

MAXIMUM HEIGHT? >> CAN WE RESTRICTED --

>> 35 FEET IS THE MAX THAT YOU CAN GO.

>> I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS FAR AS MONUMENTS CYANIDE GOES.

WERE YOU INTERESTED IN TRYING TO RESTRICT ALL FOUR OF THEM.

>> JUST THE HEIGHT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT.

>> TO MR. LABANOWSKI QUESTIONS THIS IS STRAIGHT ZONING, THIS ISN'T VARIANCE, NOT SEEKING RELIEF FOR ANYTHING.

THE QUESTION IS IS A DISTILLERY CONSISTENT IN COMPATIBLE USE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE BOARD, PROPER CONDITIONS.

IS THE HEIGHT OF A BUILDING REALLY IN EFFECT OF THIS DISTILLERY ON THE SURROUNDING AREA.

>> MAY BE A CONCERN STRICTLY ON THE SIGNAGE.

WHAT IS THE TIMING ON THIS THING FOR GETTING IT STARTED? I KNOW THERE'S LOTS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, 207 IS GETTING READY TO GET UNDER MAINTENANCE CONSTRUCTION.

AYES THIS IS A PRETTY BIG HURDLE FOR US TODAY.

ONCE WE ARE PAST THIS WE ARE MOVING ALONG NOT AT BREAKNECK SPEED BUT CERTAINLY ONCE WE GET PAST THIS HURDLE, OUR INTENT.

>> OKAY CP THANK AYES MR. OLSON YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> YES, MR. LABANOWSKI, I ASKED THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK -- TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THE DISTILLERY OPERATOR LESS SPECULATIVE, OR IS IT GOING TO BE CREATING AN ENTITY PERHAPS

CLOSELY HELD. >> IT'S NOT A SPECULATIVE ENTITY. ONE WOULD BE A NEWLY CREATED CLOSELY HELD ENTITY, THE OTHER IS A SEPARATE LOCAL ENTITY WITH

A DISTILLERY LICENSE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT WAS ALL I HAD. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAD A NOTE ASKING ABOUT THE GREENHOUSE, I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.

IT'S REALLY INTERESTING ASPECT OF THIS RESEARCH.

I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I GUESS WITH THAT WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY MR. GREEN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> I'M READY TO MAKE THE MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2026-2, BREWERY BASED UPON THE FACTS AND CONDITIONS

WITH ONE EXTRA CONDITION. >> JUST WITH THE MODIFICATION TO ALLOW ONE TRANSFER OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE SECOND,

SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> OKAY, WE CAN VOTE. SECONDED BY PERKINS.

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE WISH YOU THE BEST WITH YOUR ENDEAVOR. OKAY.

[Items 2 & 3]

AYES GOOD AFTERNOON -- >> SORRY, JUST SOME HOUSEWORK.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT. LABANOWSKI?

>> I VISITED THE SITE. >> I ALSO VISITED THE SITE, I HAD A CHAT WITH MISS CROOKS. REGARDING THE TOPIC.

OKAY, ARE YOU READY TO BEGIN. >> YES, MA'AM, GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS NICOLE COOKE, 675 LAWSON STREET.

I WAS TRYING TO GET A SPECIAL PERMIT ON MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT FOOTAGE. THE MAXIMUM BASIC USE IS 16 SQUARE FEET -- 16,836 SQUARE FEET.

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>> SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES, THE LOT IS TOO SMALL, AND SECONDLY, THE MOBILE HOME IS NOT ALLOWED WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT

NOW. >> RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY? OKAY, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYBODY IN THIS VAST AUDIENCE THAT HAS PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS TWO AND THREE, PLEASE STEP FORWARD? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT CAN I GET BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR THE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS ANY DISCUSSION.

OKAY. MISS PERKINS?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MISS PERKINS DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY LABANOWSKI.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS TO VOTE.

OKAY MOTION PASSES. WE WILL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.

>> A MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, 2026-12, COOKS MOBILE HOME BASED ON THE FACTS AND CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. MOTION PASSES.

VOTE, SORRY [LAUGHS] THERE YOU GO.

YOU HAVE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY CALCULATE A FINE JOB GO GET YOUR

MOBILE HOME. >> THANK YOU ALL.

[4. REZ 2026-01 3025 Old Moultrie Road. REZ 2026-01 3025 Old Moultrie Road, a request to rezone approximately one (1) acre of land from Open Rural (OR) to Residential, Single-Family (RS-3), specifically located at 3025 Old Moultrie Road.]

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I VISITED THE SITE.

>> I VISITED THE SITE AS WELL, I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND I DID HAVE A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH TERRY SHOEMAKER, OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

AND I KNOW SHE IS STAFF BUT I WANT TO BRING THAT UP.

YOU MAY BEGIN. >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL YURO, WE ARE CIVIL ENGINEERS HELPING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THIS PROJECT, HERE I HAVE ISAAC DOHERTY WITH ME FROM MY OFFICE. WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST THE REZONING OF 3025 OLD MOULTRIE ROAD, BASICALLY IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED OPEN RURAL, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET A REZONED TO RS3, CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE REASONS FOR THIS IS TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER -- IF WE WANT TO SPLIT THE 1 ACRE LOT, RIGHT NOW THEY WANT TO SPLIT IT INTO TWO, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. OPEN RURAL DOES NOT ALLOW FOR LESS THAN 1 ACRE LOTS. THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE ZONING REQUEST. WITH A FUTURE LAND DESIGNATION, THIS IS THE ONE -- WE ARE KIND OF THE ODDBALL I WOULD, ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON OLD MOULTRIE AND FOX HOLLOW LANE ARE S THREE EXCEPT FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT. WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT TO BE ZONED CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER ONES ON FOX HOLLOW LANE. THE VICINITY MAP OF THE LOCATION, THE AERIAL OF WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE.

WE WENT THROUGH THE CHECKLIST WE DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY UNREASONABLE IMPACT TO THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, WE DON'T THINK IT WILL CAUSE PUBLIC NUISANE OR PUBLIC -- URBAN SPRAWL OR IMPACT TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

HERE IS A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW, YOU WILL NOTICE IN THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WE DID RESERVE SOME RIGHT OF WAY FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF OLD MILL WHERE THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK WOULD BE, SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING REZONING TO RS-3.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENCY MEMBERS DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE I WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 4? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

OR DISCUSSION. AYES ONE QUICK QUESTION.

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ARE YOU GOING TO BREAK IT DOWN TO TWO LOTS, HOW MANY OF THOSE

MATURE TREES WILL BE DOWN? >> WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL DESIGN, WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITHIN THE GUIDELINES REQUIRED WITH THE COUNTY, ANYTHING REMOVED OR HAS TO BE MITIGATED FOR WE WILL MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT.

WE JUST -- DEPENDING ON THE SPECIFIC LAYOUT, WE HAVE TO GET THE TREE SURVEY AND VERIFY THAT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT

INFORMATION ON HAND. >> I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU COMING OFF OF FOX HOLLOW RATHER THAN OLD MOULTRIE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MISS PERKINS? >> I HAVE A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2026-01, 3025 OLD MOULTRIE ROAD, FACTS AS PROVIDED.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY LABANOWSKI, LET'S GO AHEAD AND RECORD THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY,

[6. CPA(SS) 2025-12 Shofner Property. A request for a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation of approximately 5.03 acres of land from Agricultural-Intensive (A-I) to Residential-A (RES-A) with a text amendment limiting the property to a maximum of one (1) single family dwelling unit; located at 8995 Barrel Factory Road.]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATED.

>> NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, WHICH IS THE SHOFNER PROPERTY AGENCY MEMBERS IF YOU CAN REPORT? MR. LABANOWSKI YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> I VISITED THE SITE. >> I VISITED THE SITE AS WELL.

THAT IS IT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

THIS IS -- MISS ALBERTA HIPPS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> THANK YOU GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM HERE FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR THIS SHOFNER PROPERTY. IT IS REQUESTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR 5.03 ACRES LAND FROM AI TO RESIDENTIAL A WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT LIMITING THE PROPERTY TO A MAXIMUM OF ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, IT IS LOCATED AT 8995-BARREL FACTORY ROAD. I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE.

SHOWING THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A PARCEL, ON A PAVED ROAD, 2.12 MILES. THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE PART OF THE FAMILY FARMS. THIS SHOWS YOU THE OVERALL PROPERTIES. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT.

THIS PARTICULAR SITE WILL BE BETWEEN TWO PARCELS, THAT IS THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THESE OTHER PARCELS HAVE BEEN SIGNED OFF TO FAMILY MEMBERS OVER TIME. AND THIS IS THE SITE, 5.3 ACRES, AND IT IS THERE, TO THE NORTH, RAYMOND SHOFNER OWNS THE LAND ON THE PREVIOUS SITE. SO WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL AS OUTLINED TO APPROVE THE PACKET TO DO THIS -- SO IT HAS COMPATIBILITY THIS IS THE ANALYSIS FROM THE REPORT THAT THE PARCEL VARIES IN SIZE AROUND THIS ACREAGE FROM 107.5 ACRES.

AND ALSO THE SURROUNDING VICINITY.

WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU APPROVE THIS SHOFNER AND RAYMOND SHOFNER. I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY? MR. MATOVINA.

>> I HAVE NO QUESTINS BUT I WANTED TO SAY HELLO TO ALBERTA AND RECOGNIZE HER AND THANK HER FOR HER EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE

[00:50:02]

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TAUGHT ME A LOT ABOUT ZONING.

MR. MATOVINA. >> IS A GREAT TEACHER.

>> OKAY, NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE AGENCY? DO I HAVE A MOTION? PUBLIC COMMENT! IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON REZONING? ITEM NUMBER CP A. SMALL SCALE? ITEM NUMBER 6, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR THE MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CP 2025-12 SHOFNER PROPERTY, BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT AS FOUND IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> THANK YOU. SECOND BY MR. GREEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE CAN NOW RECORD THE VOTE.

[5. LDCA 2026-02 Home-Based Business. This amendment amends Land Development Code Article II (Zoning Districts and Special Uses), Article III (Special Districts) and Article XII (Definitions) to codify changes to State Statute that went into effect on July 1, 2021, with the enactment of House Bill 403. The bill added Florida Statute 559.955, which stipulates the policies local governments may implement to regulate home-based businesses.]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 5 ON MISS AMY RING, OUR PRESENTER AYES GOOD AFTERNOON AGENCY MEMBERS, AMY RING WITH PARKS MANAGEMENT HERE TO PRESENT A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT 2026-02 HOME BASED BUSINESS. SO FLORIDA STATUTES 559.955, HOME BASED BUSINESS CREDITED FOR OUR SIGNAGE LOT IN 2021, WE HAVE HONORED THE STATUTE AND OUR PROCEDURES INTO THIS PROVISION, SIMPLY CORRECT LANGUAGE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE INCONSISTENCY WITH THAT STATUTE. OKAY.

THERE IS A COPY OF THE STATUTE, ATTACHMENT NUMBER 3, THE STATUTE STATES A HOME BASED BUSINESS THAT OPERATES FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY MAY OPERATE IN AN AREA ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AND BE KNOWN TO BE REGULATED IN A MANNER DIFFERENT THAN OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE JURISDICTION EXCEPT AS ALLOWED IN THE STATUTE. BUSINESS IS CONSIDERED A HOME BASED BUSINESS IT OPERATES IN WHOLE OR IN PART OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND MEETS PARTICULAR CRITERIA.

SO THE CRITERIA INCLUDES STAFFING EMPLOYEES THAT WORK AT THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING MUST RESIDE THERE UP TO TWO EMPLOYEES THAT DO NOT RESIDE IN THE DWELLING MAY WORK AT THE BUSINESS. PARKING RELATED TO THE BUSINESS MUST COMPLY WITH LOCAL ZONING REQUIREMENTS, AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAY REGULATE THE USE AND PARKING OF VEHICLES OR TRAILERS, OPERATED OR PARKED AT THE BUSINESS AND REGULATED PARKING OR STORAGE OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT AT THE BUSINESS WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET ON THE PROPERTY.

THE LDCA ALREADY PROVIDES THOSE REGULATIONS.

EXTERNAL MODIFICATIONS TO THE RESIDENCE MUST CONFORM TO THE RESIDENCE OF CHARACTER AND ARCHITECTURAL ESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ACTIVITIES OF THE BUSINESS MUST BE SECONDARY TO THE PROPERTY'S USE AS A RESIDENT -- RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, AND BUSINESS ACTIVITIES MUST COMPLY WITH LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR SIGNAGE, EQUIPMENT OR PROCESSES THAT PRODUCE NOISE OR GLARE AND THE USE OF STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. THE STATUTE ALMOST -- ALSO STATES THAT AS IS ON THE SLIDES, ALL RETAIL TRANSACTIONS MUST TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.

SO THE RED LINE OF COURSE OF THE CODE CHANGES, PROPOSED CODE CHANGES IN THE STAFF PACKET, BUT WE ARE SIMPLY DOING IS REMOVING THE LANGUAGE REGARDING HOME -- OCCUPATION BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER IN THE STATUTES, REPLACING IT WITH THE LANGUAGE FOR HOME BASED BUSINESS, AND WE HAVE APPROVED INPUT OF THE ALLOWED CRITERIA INTIMACY ARTICLE TWO IS WHAT WE CHANGED IT TO. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AGENCY, AND WE HAVE ADVERTISED FOR THE FIRST HEARING OF THIS ITEM TO BE TAKEN TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE 19TH. WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU AMY. I MIGHT HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, ONE COMMENT ACTUALLY, DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THE TABLE THREE, TABLE 3.1204 WHERE YOU HAVE THE PERMITTED USES BY DISTRICT AND

[00:55:05]

THAT CORRECT? >> THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT LINE WITHIN SECTION THREE, CORRECT. WE ARE SIMPLY REMOVING THE

REFERENCE TO HOME OCCUPATION. >> IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE ANYMORE. OKAY.

THAT WAS MY CALL THIS MORNING I GUESS I DID NOT UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANYBODY HERE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

MR. OLSON? >> I GUESS THE CLARIFICATION, PROBABLY CLARIFICATION BY OUR COUNCIL.

NONE OF THIS PREEMPTION BY THE STATE THAT WE ARE NOW REQUIRED -- REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO MODIFY ITS HOME BASED BUSINESS, HOME OCCUPATION. WILL APPLY TO BE A RESTRICTED HOA AREAS. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> ANY HOA WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THEIR RULES CIVILLY, ENFORCED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, NOT THROUGH ZONING.

THOSE ARE STILL POTENTIALLY ENFORCEABLE IN HOA.

I DID NOT LOOK AT THE STATUTE TO FIGURE OUT IF THE PREEMPTIVE HOA AS WELL, THAT I DO NOT KNOW. THEY WOULD BE ENFORCED -- HOA RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE NOT ENFORCED THROUGH ZONING.

>> RIGHT, SO IN AN HOA IF AN HOA DOES NOT ALLOW HOME BASED BUSINESSES... BUSINESSES HAVE TO RESEARCH.

>> I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH IF IT GOES AWAY FROM REGULATING THE HOME BASED BUSINESS. I DO NOT KNOW THAT.

>> I DID SOME RESEARCH MYSELF ON THIS WITH SOME AI SITE, AND THAT WAS THE ANSWER, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO APPLY.

>> THAT IS MOST LIKELY RIGHT. >> MAYBE.

[CHUCKLING] >> IF YOU ARE INTERESTED I CAN

CHECK. >> I THINK IT IS SIGNIFICANT FOR PEOPLE -- WELL, FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PLOY.

THANK YOU. >> MR. LABANOWSKI.

>> IN REGARDS TO THAT, JUST LOOKING HERE, THE STATUTE, ANY CURRENT OR FUTURE DECLARATION OR DECLARATIONS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 718 AND 719 AND 720, THE APPLICATION FOR THE SECTION DOES NOT SUPERSEDE ANY OF THAT. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY ON THIS, THE HOA CAN CHANGE EVEN IF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT THEY CAN CHANGE IT TO COINCIDE WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, IS THAT CORRECT? SHE WAS LOOKING AT ME [LAUGHS]

>> I WILL DEFER TO COUNCIL ON THAT NIMA CAN YOU RESTATE THE

QUESTION. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE STATUTE RIGHT NOW -- IT SAYS APPLICATION OF THIS SECTION DOES NOT SUPERSEDE A, ANY CURRENT OR FUTURE DECLARATIONS OR DECLARATION, AND IT GOES INTO 518, 519 AND FIVE -- 720.

THEY CAN CHANGE, IN OTHER WORDS THEY CAN GO BY THE HOA DOCUMENTS AND NOT HAVE TO ADHERE TO THIS GUY CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. POINTING OUT WHAT I WAS LOOKING

FOR. >> AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE IS CONCERNED, MY CONCERN IS THE SIGNAGE IN THE HOA, WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE COULD BE OUT THERE IN THOSE REGULATIONS?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS, I DON'T HAVE THE DIRECT ANSWER IN FRONT OF ME BUT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HOME BASED BUSINESS IS. IT IS JUST TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM OPERATING THEIR CONSULTING BUSINESS OR I DON'T KNOW THEIR ACCOUNTING BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT OF THEIR HOME, THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING NONRESIDENTIAL IN CHARACTER, THEY CANNOT GENERATE TRAFFIC IN EXCESS OF WHAT IS TYPICALLY FOUND IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONVERT A HOUSE INTO A RESTAURANT, IT'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. THE STANDARDS I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME SIGNAGE STANDARDS THEY ARE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY LIMITING IT

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IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON AND HAS BEEN IN APPLICATION IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SINCE ABOUT 2021 WHEN THIS LAW CHANGED WE ARE JUST UPDATING OUR CODE TO BE COMPLIANT TO MATCH THE STATE STATUTE.

>> YES, WELL -- >> JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MR. SMITH SAID, THE WAY I READ THIS, I MAY BE READING IT INCORRECTLY, UNDER THIS REVISED ORDINANCE, YOU COULD HAVE AN OPERATED BEAUTY SHOP OUT OF THEIR HOME AND HAVE SEVERAL EMPLOYEES CUT A COUPLE EMPLOYEES, THERE COULD BE ADDED PARKING ISSUES, YOU CAN SELL THINGS, I HAVE LIVED ON THE BEACH UP UNTIL YESTERDAY, YOU CAN HAVE JEWELRY, RETAIL OPERATION OUT OF YOUR HOUSE. IF YOUR PRIMARY USE OF THAT HOUSE IS A LIVING AREA. MAYBE I AM READING THIS INCORRECTLY. I KNOW THE COUNTY WOULD FACE A BIG PUNISHMENT IF THE COUNTY DID NOT APPROVE WHAT THE STATE IS DICTATING HERE. THERE ARE TWO OR THREE CITIES OR COUNTIES IN FLORIDA THAT ARE REFUSING TO APPROVE THIS AND THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE ADOPTING.

THAT IS ALL I KNOW ABOUT THIS. THE WAY I READ IT AGAIN, THOSE KINDS OF HOME BASED BUSINESSES ARE MORE THAN SOMEWHAT DOING CONSULTING WORK OUT OF THEIR HOMES.

>> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WILL STATE THAT THE STATUTE DOES NOT ALLOW US TO PROHIBIT PARTICULAR TYPES OF BUSINESSES TO EXTENSION 559.955, SO THERE'S NO PROHIBITIONS.

BUT THE STATUTE DOES MAKE REFERENCE IN TERMS OF PARKING AND STORAGE OF VEHICLES, DOES STATE THAT -- I GAVE MY COPY TO LEX, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF PARKING CANNOT BE MORE -- CANNOT BE GREATER THAN WHAT NORMALLY WOULD BE EXPECTED AT A SIMILAR RESIDENCE WHERE NO BUSINESS IS BEING CONDUCTED.

THAT IS PART OF THE STATUTE. >> PARKING.

>> I WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PARKING ISSUE.

RIGHT NOW, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN OUR COMMUNITY AT ONE TIME WERE PROHIBITED. AND WE HAD MORE STRINGENT REGULATIONS ON COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAN WHAT THE STATE NOW HAS. REFERRING TO MR. TAYLOR ON THIS, IS THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND COMMUNITY ABLE TO RESTRICT THE PARKING EITHER IN THE DRIVEWAY OR ON THE STREET -- WHILE THEY CAN'T ON THE STREET BUT AS FAR AS ON THE DRIVEWAYS? DOES IT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STATE STATUTE ON A COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, WHICH IS BASICALLY A DUMP TRUCK.

>> SO TO MR. LABANOWSKI QUESTION, THIS IS ALL ADDRESSED IN THE STATUTE. IT IS ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THE ZONING CODE. I WILL READ THE BEGINNING PHRASE OF THE PARKING SECTION WHICH IS PARKING RELATED TO THE BUSINESS ACTIVITIES IN THE HOME BASED BUSINESS COMPLIES WITH LOCAL ZONING REQUIREMENTS, AND THE NEED FOR PARKING GENERATED BY THE BUSINESS MAY NOT BE GREATER THAN THE VOLUME.

IT GOES ON AND IT CONTINUES TO ESSENTIALLY RESTATE THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN REGULATE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES HEAVY VEHICLES, TRAILERS, ET CETERA. WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THOSE PROVISIONS IN PLACE, SO PARKING, DUMP TRUCKS OR SEMI TRUCKS OR SCHOOL BUSSES, THAT'S ALREADY REGULATED BY THE COUNTY.

THIS IS UNCHANGED WITH ADOPTING THIS BECAUSE THOSE STANDARDS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND NOT ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

>> THAT CHANGED A FEW YEARS BACK.

AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, THE CONCERN IS YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION TRAILER, AND THE VEHICLE TOWING THAT TRAILER, THEY CAN PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW.

ACCORDING TO THE STATUTE. AM I CORRECT?

>> LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY REGULATE THE USE OF VEHICLES OR

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YOU CANNOT TALK HEAVY VEHICLES AT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

OKAY. >> OKAY THANK YOU.

>> ONE COMMENT FOR MR. MATOVINA, HIS LANGUAGE HERE ABOUT SIGNS, ONE SIGN MAY BE RECEIVING ONE SQUARE FOOT, IT MUST BE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE FLAT AGAINST THE WALL AND NOT MORE THAN 2 FEET FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE IS NOT A BIG SIGN, MR. MATOVINA YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> I THINK WE ARE BLOWING THIS THING OUT OF PROPORTION, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST CHANGE TO THE CODE, IT SAYS -- IT APPLIES TO ALL SPECIAL USE. IT SAYS ACCESSORIES, TO THE STRUCTURE SHALL NOT ATTRACT VISITORS IN LARGER NUMBERS THAN NORMALLY EXPECTED IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A BARBERSHOP AT YOUR HOUSE AND HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL DAY, THAT IS NOT A NORMAL TRAFFIC YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE. THAT APPLIES TO JUST ABOUT EVERY PROVISION THAT GETS CHANGED AFTER THIS.

I THINK WE ARE MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL HERE, THE INTENTION IS TO MAKE IT CLEAR PEOPLE CAN OPERATE A CONSULTING BUSINESS AND OCCASIONALLY HAVE PEOPLE VISIT THEIR HOUSE.

BUT HAVING A BUNCH OF TRUCKS AND PICKUP TRUCKS, TRAFFIC IN THE HOUSE ALL DAY, IS NOT GOING TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE NUMBER OF VISITORS FOR A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WALKING IN AND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE A BEACH TO BUY SEASHELLS.

IT DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. IT IS VERY BROAD TO THE POINT IF YOU WANT TO TRY IT, YOU MOST LIKELY WILL GET CHALLENGED BY YOUR NEIGHBOR IN MY OPINION. THAT'S MY TAKE.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BASED ON EVERYTHING DISCUSSED, DOES THE COUNTY ENFORCE -- SINCE IT IS RATHER SUBJECTIVE, WHAT CONSTITUTES TOO HIGH OF A VOLUME OF BUSINESS ACTIVITY, HOW IS THAT MEASURED AND DOES THE COUNTY ENFORCE THAT IF THEY GET CALLS FROM NEIGHBORS, MAY BE IN A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT? THAT HAS BUSINESSES? I GUESS -- ALL THESE BUSINESSES ARE LICENSED. CAN SOMEBODY JUST SPEAK ABOUT

THIS? >> SURE, HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT.

THE COUNTY CAN AND WILL AND DOES ENFORCE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH OR IN THE PREMISE OF HOME BASED BUSINESS, AGAIN THESE ARE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN APPLYING, WE ARE CODIFYING THEM NOW, CERTAINLY THERE HAVE BEEN CIRCUMSTANCES. I CANNOT TELL YOU ONE DIRECTLY WHERE THERE WERE TOO MANY PEOPLE ENTERING THE BUSINESS PER SE, BUT I HAVE SEEN ONES WHERE LARGE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS AND EQUIPMENT WERE BEING USED OUT OF A RESIDENTIAL HOME.

AND ACCORDINGLY WE HAVE CITED THEM THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH STATE STATUTE, AND ALLOWED THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. BUT, YES, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

WE DON'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS LOOKING FOR UNNEIGHBORLY BEHAVIOR, THEY ARE JUST RESPONDING TO COMPLAINTS

FROM NEARBY RESIDENCES. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE AGENCY? I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, ANYBODY IN THE CROWD? WANT TO ADDRESS THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, MOVING BACK TO THE AGENCY.

MISS PERKINS? >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL PURSUANT TO 559.9955 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION SECONDED BY MR. GREEN, LET'S GO TO THE VOTE.

AND THAT MOTION IS APPROVED, THANK YOU.

[Staff Reports]

SO, EIGHT ITEMS ON THERE. >> AI?

>> EIGHT ITEMS. >> I THOUGHT YOU SAID AI IS ON THERE! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

>> WE ARE NOT THERE YET BUT MAYBE IT'S A.

[01:10:01]

>> PLEASE NO! MORATORIUM!

[Agency Reports]

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> THANK YOU.

MEGAN YOU BROUGHT UP THE LAST MEETING ABOUT MAYBE CHANGES SHOULD HAPPEN TO THE ALCOHOL DISTANCE FROM CHURCHES AND SO FORTH. MR. SMITH WHAT WOULD BE THE STEP TO GET THAT CHANGE OR RECOMMEND CHANGING THAT? WE HAVE BEEN GETTING MORE AND MORE COMING THROUGH, AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY REDUCE THAT IS MY OWN OPINION DOWN TO 500 INSTEAD OF A 1000. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED DAY CARE CENTERS. AGENCY RECENTLY SAW AN ALCOHOLS- SPECIAL USE AND VARIANCE IN THE TOWN OF HASTINGS, THE PIZZA RESTAURANT WHICH WAS APPROVED, THAT DECISION IS BEING APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. IF I WAS TO ADVISE THIS BOARD IT WOULD BE NOT TO PURSUE ANY ACTION DEPENDING ON HOW THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TREATS THAT CASE BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE YOU VERY CLEAR DIRECTIONS IF A DISTANCE

REQUIREMENT IS IMPORTANT OR NOT. >> THAT'S VERY CLOSE.

>> IT OPENS OUT A QUESTION, IT IS A DISCUSSION A DISCUSSION WE HAD INTERNALLY WITH STAFF IN GENERAL ABOUT ALCOHOL SPECIAL USE, HOW IT HAS BEEN HANDLED IN THE PAST, IF WE ARE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS WE HAVE.

WE ARE HAPPY TO DEEP DIVE INTO THAT, I WOULD AT LEAST HOLD OFF JUST A LITTLE BIT TO SEE HOW THAT GOES AND MAYBE SEE WHAT SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THERE IS DEFINITELY ROOM TO CHANGE THE CODE, IT IS ANTIQUATED AND IT GOES BACK 40 YEARS IN ALMOST UNCHANGED FORMAT.

THERE MAY BE AN APPETITE FOR CHANGE BUT WE HAVE AN UPCOMING CASE THAT WILL REALLY DIVE INTO THAT.

>> POSSIBLY A COUPLE MEETINGS OUT, NOW THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE IT

IS SO FULL. >> YES, SIR,.

>> THANK YOU. >> ONE MORE THING TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION, SOMETIMES THE JOB OF THIS ORGANIZATION IS TO SEE SOME OF THESE ITEMS, AND WHEN YOU ARE ISSUING SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND LOOKING AT SIGNS, THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN ITSELF SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO LOOK AT EACH ISSUE, EACH PIECE OF LAND INDIVIDUALLY, IT MAY SEEM LIKE YOU ARE APPROVING 15 IN A ROW AND MAYBE WE SHOULD CHANGE THE ORDINANCES.

BUT MAYBE YOU ARE PROTECTING AGAINST THE OFF CASE AGAINST WHERE HAVING THE ABILITY TO SAY NO TO SOMETHING THAT IS A THOUSAND FEET AWAY VERSUS 500 IS A BIG ISSUE.

EACH ONE IS LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE THE AGENCY, JUST LIKE WITH MOBILE HOMES, 98% OF THE ONES THAT COME IN FRONT OF US ARE JUST TRYING, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE. AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT EACH PIECE OF LAND INDIVIDUALLY, IT CAN BE VERY IMPORTANT. I WOULD CAUTION YOU THERE TO FACTOR THAT INTO -- YOUR THINKING THAT IS ONE OF THE AREAS AS BOARD OF DESIGN MAKES SURE.

>> THANK YOU THAT IS GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? I EVERYBODY GO HOME AND SAY A PRAYER TODAY, NATIONAL

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.