May 05, 2026 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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GOOD MORNING WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ORDER. I CAN CALL THE ROLL.

THE CHAIR IS HERE. BASED CHAIR AND TAYLOR.

>> PRESENT.

>> WE ARE ALL PRESENT THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IF YOU WOULD -- LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT. WE WOULD INVITE THE PRIEST FROM THE BAPTIST CHURCH TO DO OR INDICATION WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK SUE WHITTINGTON TO GIVE OUR PLEDGE, PLEASE.

>> DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COM WITH YOU WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS T CONDUCT THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING O THIS COMMUNITY, FOR ITS NATURAL BEAUTY AND GROWING FAMILIES, IT RICH HISTORY, AND ITS BRIGHT FUTURE.

WE ESPECIALLY LIFT UP THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THIS COMMISSION PAID BE RECOGNIZE THEIR HONOR AND DEDICATED SERVICE AND COUNTLESS HOURS THEY GIVE COME OF THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS THEY MUST MAKE AND THE RESPONSIBILIT THEY CARRY THEY HAVE WITH EVERY BREATH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. GRANT THEM WISDOM TO BE OF THEI OWN UNDERSTANDING ENCOURAGED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND TO ALWAYS PUT THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE FIRST .

MAY EVERY DISCUSSION BE MARCHED WITH RESPECT AND EVERY DECISION BY FAIRNESS IN EVERY OUTCOME ON ADVANCEMENT AND WELFARE AND PROSPERITY OF ALL WHO CALL ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOME.

WE ASKED YOUR CONTINUED BLESSINGS UPON OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, VETERANS, TEACHERS, PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND EVERY CITIZEN WORKING TO MAKE THIS COUNTY A BETTER PLACE.

MAY THIS MEETING BE PRODUCTIVE AND PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT.

WE OFFER THIS PRAYER AND GRATITUDE INTEREST IN THE NAME

OF OUR LORD WE PRAY, AMEN. >> GOOD MORNING.

OUR AMERICAN FLAG HAS STOOD AS SYMBOL OF FREEDOM FOR 250 YEARS.

AS WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG THIS MORNING, LET US BE REMINDED UP OUR TREASURES WHO HAVE SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES AND WHO ARE STILL SACRIFICIALLY SACRIFICING AND ALL WHO HAVE GIVEN SELFLESSLY FOR OUR COUNTR AND OUR FREEDOMS. AS WE STAND WITH PRIDE, LET'S PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED.

[Certificates of Recognition for George Ceccanese's and William West's 100th Birthdays]

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FOR NOT ONLY SERVING OUR COUNTR BUT FOR MAKING THE 100 YEAR MILESTONE IN THEIR LIFE SO WOUL LIKE TO INVITE BILL AND GEORGE TO COME UP AND RECEIVE THESE RECOGNITIONS FOR THEIR HUNDRED ANNIVERSARY AND THEIR SERVICE T THIS GREAT NATION.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

I DIDN'T KNOW SUCH A CROWD WAS LOUD OF THE MOST PART I'M SURE THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.

SO I ENJOY BEING 100 YEARS OLD BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOESN'T BELIEVE IT SO I AM HERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HONOR.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] WE NEED TO TAKE SOME PICTURES.

IS THE FAMILY HERE? WE WOULD LOVE TO FILL THE PLACE WITH OUR VETERANS THAT HAVE SERVED AND ARE SERVING NOW, SO COME ON DOWN. THIS IS WHAT BUILT THIS COUNTRY PIERCE SO WE INVITE ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE SERVED OR ARE SERVING NOW TO COME DOWN AND JOIN IN AN GET YOUR PICTURE.

IS IT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THAT. IS EVERYBODY READY? GOOD MORNING. I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE ROTC WAS THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. THAT IS HOW GOOD THEY ARE.

THAT IS ALL THESE KIDS OVER HERE .

[Proclamation Recognizing National Correctional Officers and Employees Week 2026]

LET'S GO, GUYS. A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA.

WHEREAS THE NATIONAL CORRECTION OFFICERS WEEK WAS ESTABLISHED O MAY 6, 1984 WITH PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN'S SIGN PROCLAMATION 5187. TO RECOGNIZE THE DEDICATED

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AND WHEREAS, THE CORRECTIONS DIVISION OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNT SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS COMPRISED O TWO AT A 39 COMMITTED EMPLOYEES WHO WORK DILIGENTLY TO ENSURE THE SAFE AND SECURE OPERATION O THE DETENTION CENTER WHILE CARING FOR INDIVIDUALS WAITING FOR TRIAL IN COURT PROCEEDINGS AND WEARS THESE PROFESSIONALS COLLABORATE WITH HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS AND OTHER PARTNERS TO ADDRESS THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS, EDUCATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, JOB TRAINING, AND REENTRY PREPARATION.

UP THOSE ENTRUSTED TO THEIR CAR AND WHEREAS CORRECTIONAL PROFESSIONALS PERFORM THEIR DUT IN A CHALLENGING AND DEMANDING ENVIRONMENT, CARRYING THE CRITICAL RESPONSIBILITY OF PROTECTING THE PUBLIC BY MAINTAINING SILLY SAFETY AND SECURITY WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING AND SUCCESSFUL REINTEGRATION OF INDIVIDUALS AND IN CUSTODY. NOW THERE FOR BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA THAT MADE THREE-9 , 2026 BE RECOGNIZED AS CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES WEEK.

IN RECOGNITION OF THE PROFESSIONALISM AND DEDICATION AND SACRIFICES OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO FAITHFULLY SERV THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY .

ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COMP TO -- BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TREND FOR THIS FIFTH DAY OF MAY

2026. >> THESE OTHER TOP SKIES WE HAV AND HOPEFULLY NO ONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THEM.

I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS TO YOU T SAY THE WORDS.

>> I LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR HONORING US WITH THIS WEEK FOR CORRECTIONS APPRECIATION WEEK BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS ALMOST NEXT YEAR AND IT HAS CHANGE FOR THE PROFESSION HAS EVOLVED. IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WAS WHEN STARTED. WE HAVE A TOUGH CREW BUT WE HAV A CARING CREW THERE THEY EXERCISE PATIENCE, COURAGEOUS DOES AND DO STUFF THAT NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T SEE DURING THEIR LIVES FOR THEY WORK LONG HOURS AND DO A LOT OF SHIFTWORK IN OU WAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES DURING HOLIDAYS.

WE WANT TO SPEND THIS WEEK TO SHOW THEM OUR APPRECIATION AND FOR THEIR SACRIFICE ON THE TIME THEY SPEND AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES. THE SHERIFF HAS A PHILOSOPHY.

WE WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE BETTER WHEN THEY LEAVE THE JAIL THEN WHEN THEY CAME IN AND HE DOES THAT WITH REENTRY TO OUR CITIZENS. WE ARE PROUD OF THAT AND OUR STAFF PLAYS A VITAL PART OF THAT .

THEY DO A HUGE EFFORT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DON'T COME BACK TO JAIL SO THEY ARE NOT CAUSING PROBLEMS OUT IN OUR SOCIETY THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS HONOR APPEAR.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] GOOD MORNING.

[Proclamation Recognizing 41 Years of Hope Through St. Gerard Campus]

WHEREAS SINCE 1985'S ST. JOHNS CAMPUS HAS ENCOURAGED YOUNG MOTHERS TO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND DISCOVER THEIR STRENGTH AND PURPOSE. AND WHEREAS PREGNANT AND PARENTING TEENAGERS OFTEN FACE OVERWHELMING OBSTACLES, INCLUDING POVERTY, TRAUMA, HOUSING INSTABILITY, INTERRUPTE EDUCATION, AND LIMITED SUPPORT SYSTEMS, YET CONTINUE TO RISE WITH STRENGTH AND DETERMINATION. AND WHEREAS WHEN THE COMMUNITY SURROUNDS YOUNG MOTHERS WITH COMPASSION, STRUCTURE,

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OF MAY, 2026. >> GOOD MORNING BUT IT IS AN HONOR TO BE CELEBRATING 41 YEAR AT SAINT GERARD CAMPUS.

I'M ECSTATIC AND I'M OBVIOUSLY THE DIRECTOR AND I'M HONORED BECAUSE I'M AN ALUMNI OF THE CLASS OF 2003 AND I NOTED IS LIKE WHEN A COMMUNITY AND PEOPL COME ALONGSIDE YOUNG MOTHERS AN SAY YOU ARE WORTHY. WE STAND ALONGSIDE THESE MOTHERS , AND ONE OF THE MOST PIVOTAL MINUTES OF THERE LIFE.

A LOT OF US CAN ATTEST PARENTS INCLUDED THAT ENTRY INTO MOTHERHOOD IS AN OBSTACLE BUT W DECIDE TO USE A GAME ON AND SO BUT WE SEE IS THESE MOTHERS CONTINUOUSLY SHOW UP THEY'VE NEVER GIVE UP THEY CHOOSE GROWT OVER UNCOMFORTABLE MINUTES AND WE ARE SO EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.

IT IS TRULY AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND WE ARE SO THANKFUL AND ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY HERE AT SAINT GERARD CAMPUS, WE BOUGHT US I THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING U AND LOVING OUR MOMS AND BELIEVING IN OUR MISSION AND BEING A COMMUNITY THAT CELEBRATES AND HONORS AND RECOGNIZES RESILIENCY AND STRENGTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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[Proclamation Recognizing Juror Appreciation Month]

DON'T EVERYBODY RUSHED RUSH TO THE STAGE.

MISS KELLER, PLEASE READ THE PROCLAMATION INTO RECORD.

>> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL BY JURY PEER OF ONE'SS IS GUARANTEED AND STANDS AS ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLES OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND WHEREAS JURY SERVICES IS ONE OF THE MOS DIRECT AND MEANINGFUL WAYS CITIZENS PARTICIPATE IN SELF-GOVERNMENT AND LEARN AND SERVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND WHEREAS THE JUSTICE SYSTEM CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUT THE PARTICIPATION OF JURORS DRAWN FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WHOSE SERVICE ENSURES THAT LEGAL PROCEEDINGS REFLECT THE CONSCIOUS AND JUDGMENT OF THE PEOPLE. AND WHEREAS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, RECOGNIZES THE CONTRIBUTION OF CITIZENS WHO ANSWER THE CALL TO JURY DUTY AN APPRECIATES THEIR COMMITMENT TO JUSTICE AND COMMUNITY SERVICE.

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JOHNS COUNTY CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT AND COUNTY COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE FOR ITS CONTINUED STEWARDSHIP OF JURY SELECTION PROCESS AND ITS COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING THE PUBLIC TRUST. AND NOW THERE FOR IT'S.

CLAIM THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, HEREBY RECOGNIZES ME 2026 OF JUROR APPRECIATION MONTH, AS A DAY TO HONOR AND EXPRESS GRATITUDE TO ALL JURORS WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WITH DEDICATION, INTEGRITY, AND CIVIC PRIDE. ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS FIFTH DAY

OF MAY, 2026 BEERS. >> THANK YOU, MISS KELLER.

YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. >> TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SHO UP WHEN THEY GET A SUMMONS AND ENGAGE IN THEIR CIVIC DUTY IT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY BETTER IS NOT ALWAYS CONVENIENT AND NEVER FUNDY SET ON A JURY BUT IT IS IMPORTANT AND IT IS AN IMPORTAN PART OF OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM. SO IT IS MY HONOR ON BEHALF OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNT COMMISSIONERS TO PRESENT OUR CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT COMPTROLLER WITH OUR PROCLAMATION FOR JUROR APPRECIATION.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME T HONOR. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO SYRUPY RARE HERE FOR OUR JURORS AND APPRECIATE OUR JURORS WOULD LIKE TO INVITE UP DAPHNE, CAMERON, WHO SERVED AS A JUROR TO RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION THANK YOU TO OUR TEAM FOR MAKIN

IT HAPPEN TWICE A MONTH. >> GOOD MORNING BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE EXPENSE OF BEING CALLED TO JURY DUTY BACK FIRST OF ALL I WAS NOTIFIED MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

THE COMMUNICATION WAS EXCELLENT AND FOLLOW-UP WAS EXCELLENT.

CHECK-IN WAS VERY FAST AND COURTEOUS AND FRIENDLY.

WE ARE CALLED INTO THE COURTHOUSE AND JUDGE ALEX CHRISTY'S SPOKE TO US AND HE REMINDED US THAT THAT IF WE EVE NEEDED A JURY OURSELVES FOR A TRIAL, WE WOULD HAVE A FOCUSED AND DEDICATED JURY AND SO THAT SET THE STAGE FOR OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS. I THINK THAT THE STAFF IS VERY COMPETENT AND VERY PROFESSIONAL AND IT WAS NOTHING BUT A PLEASURE TO SERVE ON HIS JURY. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] I HAVE THE HONOR OF PRESENTING

[Proclamation Recognizing Foster Parent Appreciation Month]

A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FAMILY INTEGRITY PROGRAM MAKES ALL EFFORTS TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY SERVICES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF FAMILIES EXPERIENCING CRISIS AN SAFELY MAINTAIN CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES.

AND WHEREAS A CHILD WHO CANNOT SAFELY NAME THEIR HOME AND WAS NO OTHER PLACEMENT OPTIONS WILL ENTER FOSTER CARE.

AND WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S FOSTER FAMILIES ARE DEDICATED PEOPLE WHO ARE PRIVILEGED TO PROVIDE LOVING AND NURTURING HOMES FOR CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO ACHIEVE THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOMES FOR CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES.

AND WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY FAMILY INTEGRITY PROGRAM THANKS

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AND NOW THERE FOR BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND MAY 2020 T THE BE DESIGNATED AS FOSTER PARENT APPRECIATION MONTH ENCOURAGING ALL CITIZENS TO JOI THE EFFORT TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF FOSTER PARENTS.

ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS FIFTH DAY OF MAY, 2026.

>> MY NAME IS STACY CORNELL AND I'VE BEEN A FOSTER PARENT WITH THE PROGRAM FOR ABOUT A YEAR. I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A FOSTER PARENTS IN CYPRUS 13 YEARS OLDER WAS PART OF MY VISION AND WHEN FACING THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SO, PROVIDING A HOME TO CHILDREN NEED AND I CAN'T EXPRESS HOW IMPORTANT FOSTER PARENTING IS T OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP FAMILIES IN NEED, TO HELP CHILDREN IN NEED, JUST AS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO IT TAKES A VILLAGE AND THE FAMILY INTEGRITY PROGRA AND THEIR ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE SO IMPORTANT TO HELP THESE FAMILIES .

AND I WOULD THINK EVERYONE BEHIND ME IS A SUPPORT SYSTEM AND ALL THE FAMILIES THAT ARE I NEED.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

[Acceptance of Proclamations]

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

'S MR. JOSEPH. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

I HAVE NONE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHIN FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA OR ARE YOU GOOD QUICK.

>> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND BY

[Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda]

APPROVED. LET'S GO TO THE ADDITIONS TO TH

PARTICULAR AGENDA. >> I HAVE NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> MR. TAYLOR.

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

>> AND I HAVE NONE. SO PEOPLE GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE BRACHIAL AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL APPROVE, SAY AYE.

[Public Comment]

ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEM. >> THANK YOU.

BUT AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON ACTIONS THAT ARE NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA PAY PLEASE COME TO ONE O THE THREE POEMS AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND EACH PERSO WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINISTER SPEAK WE ASK YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONES AND SPEAKERS WILL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES O CIVILITY AND CORPSMAN SPEAKERS THEY MIGHT DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WILL REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE APPROVAL.

PLEASE -- PUBLIC MATERIALS MAY BE PLACED ON THE DISPLAY. AFTER PRESENTING PLEASE PROVIDE MATERIALS TO THE STAFF AND THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERE

INTO PUBLIC RECORD. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. I WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SITUATION -- [INDISCERNIBLE]

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WOULD YOU BUILD IT NEXT TO A COUNTY BOAT REAPPEARED I KNOW YOUR ANSWER. BUT IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THAT MOVIE STAYING, YOU DON'T HAVE T SAY ANYTHING, JUST SEE IT.

BUT IT HAS GOT TO BE A TERRIBLE SITUATION.

MAN IS A LUNATIC IS SO AND HIS WIFE.

WE CALL HER CAROLA DEVILLE AND SHE LIKES TO TAKE TARGET PRACTICE WITH HER CADILLAC BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY AND SEVERAL OF THE PRECEDENCE HAVE COME TO MY HOUSE AND I WENT AND GOT AFFIDAVIT SITES THAT THEY PUT SIGN THEM AND THE WOMAN ALMOST RAN OVER ONE OF THEIR KIDS WHILE HE WAS OUT ON HIS TRICYCLE WITH TRAINING WHEELS AND THIS HAS BEEN OVER TEN YEAR IN THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN GOIN ON BUT ARE YOU WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO GET RUN DOWN BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE THAT COUNTY ACCESS.

THAT IS THE BOATER'S RIGHT TO GET INTO THAT RAMP AND TO PARK THEIR TRAILERS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THIS IS A PICTURE HERE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT PROBABLY BUT THIS IS THE INDIVIDUAL I'M TALKING ABOUT BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY HIS NAME. I'VE GOT A BATTALION OF LAWYERS TRYING TO GET ME OUT OF THE PICTURE.

YOU CAN SEE HE'S GOT A 27-FOOT BOAT NOBODY LIKES TO DO IS PULL IT OUT. WHY SHOULD HE BLOCK THE BOAT RAMP AT THE BACK UP AND USE THI AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS COUNT WRITE UP FLIGHT THAT HE CLAIMS IS HIS PROPERTY AND IT IS NOT.

I USED TO PARK MY BOAT TRAILER RIGHT HERE AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE IT HAS CLEARED, IT IS PROPER THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF FOLIAG OR ANYTHING, THAT -- THE GUY THE LIVES ACROSS THE STREET HE HAS ANOTHER ONE IS PU ALL HIS STUFF HERE, BIRDS OF PARADISE KNOW THAT KINDA STUFF.

HE THREATENED ME AND TOLD ME IF I PARKED THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL THE COPS AND ALL THE KIND OF STUFF AND THEN THE DEPUTIES COM TO MY HOUSE AND CHARGE ME FOR TRESPASSING. I'M GOING TO GET SOME ATTORNEYS PROM ATTORNEYS, IF YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM.

LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT NOW. >> NEXT.

COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JUANITA GATES AND I AT 408 CIVIL DRIVE IN THE SHORE AND I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.

WE'VE BEEN HAVING A PROBLEM WIT A U-TURN THAT WAS PUT IN TO A MEDIAN STRIP AND A FOUR LANE ON SHORE DRIVE AND IT HAS CAUSED QUITE A PROBLEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SABELLA HAVE TO TICKETED INTO THEIR OWN HANDS AND WE ARE CROSSING OVER THE GRASS MEDIAN STRIP AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE.

IT IS A BIT OF A MISS AND WE'VE ALSO GOT BEHIND MY HOUSE, EVERYBODY ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE IS A SERVICE ROAD THAT THEY USE AND THEY'VE GOT BIG TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING AND THAT IS BUT THAT IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE THERE ALSO CROSSING OVE THE MEDIAN STRIPS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO WAY DOWN THE ROAD TO GET TO ANOTHER U-TURN TO BRING THEIR TRUCKS BACK UP TO WHERE THE SERVICE ROAD IS SO I THINK WHATEVER THIS WAS PUT IN, IT WASN'T THERE AS TO USING THAT AREA AND ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT WE BROUGHT UP WAS, AND THI IS HARD TO SEE BUT IT HASN'T BEEN MOWED FOR IT I DON'T SUPPOSED TO MOW IT. SHORES TAKES CARE OF THE SHORT GRASS BUT NOBODY'S TAKING CARE OF THIS MEDIAN STRIP THAT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE SHORE MEDIAN STRIPS. THIS HAS NO IRRIGATION, NO THREES, NO NOTHING. IT IS JUST GRASS THAT IS NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF AND IT IS THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THAT FOUR-LANE AREA THAT THEY PUT IN. AND ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE

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SIGNAGE OR WHATEVER. I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT PEOPLE ARE JUST COMING DOWN THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROADS OVE THERE AND COME LIKE I SAID, I HAD IT A HAPPY AND THEY JUST PASSED ME ON THE ROD AND KEEP ON GOING.

SO IT IS BECOMING QUITE AN ISSU OVER THERE AND THE PLACES THAT PEOPLE ARE RUNNING OVER AND THE GRASSES --

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

[INDISCERNIBLE] I KEEP ONE UP WHEN YOU FOLKS AR GOING TO COME OUT WITH THE ORDINATE.

I THINK MAYBE THEY NEED TO BE REMINDED.

FORWARD AS 5,000 GOING INTO THE WASTE DISPOSAL.

YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE, YOU CAN POLISH IT UP AND TALK TO THE LAWYERS AND HAVE THE $10 HAS ME BEYOND EVERYONE OF THESE BUT INSTEAD IT'S MONTHS AND YOU IGNORE IT AND DON'T DO ANYTHING YOU DID 4-5000 A DAY IN THE TRASH TRANSPORT IS THERE ANYBOD UP HERE WHO ACTUALLY THINKS ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION.

HONESTLY, FOLKS, I'M AT A POINT WHERE REALIZE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING COME OUT OF THIS COMMISSION TO BENEFIT ANYBODY.

THAT'S RIGHT, WE HAD A 3-2 VOTE FOR THE TREE HUGGERS TELLING SOMEBODY -- SOMEBODY ELSE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR THREES FOLKS, THIS FRIDAY MORNING AT 9:00 A.M. IS THAT VEHICLE WORKSHOP IN THE OLD CIT AND, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS TH ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ELECTRIC HORSELESS CARRIAGE THA THE COMMISSION DOWNTOWN ARE A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHT.

THEY CAN'T MAKE A DECISION THIS IS THE ANSWER.

NOBODY COMES OUT OF BUSINESS. THE CARRIAGE OPERATORS, THEY ARE , TO ME, THEY ARE ANIMAL ABUSERS.

ALL OF THE CITATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING.

ONE COMPANY PULLED THEIR LICENSE .

FOLKS, IT IS A BARBARIC BUSINESS .

THOSE HORSES ARE NOT MADE TO BEYOND THE STREETS.

A READY FOR THIS? THE HORSES COULD BE PULLING PEOPLE AT 95 DEGREES 95 DEGREES. EIGHT TRIPLE EXTRA-LARGE HILLBILLIES FROM GEORGIA WITH A DRIVE FOR THAT IS 275 POUNDS PULLING EIGHT PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, FOLKS, BUT IF THAT'S NOT ANIMAL ABUSE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

SO THIS WEEK PICK UP THE PHONE AT HI, THIS IS COMMISSIONER SO-AND-SO AND I'M CALLING YOU O MY CITIZEN CAPACITY BUT I THINK WE NEED TO STOP THE HORSE BUSINESS AND COPE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ELECTRIC HORSELESS CARRIAGE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

, NOT. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY.

AWESOME PROCLAMATIONS THIS MORNING.

EVERYONE GOT TO DO A PROCLAMATION THAT WAS PRETTY COOL. I LIKE THAT.

I'M GOING TO BRING OUT THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER AND THE MAY 17 REALIGNMENT OF OUR NATIO DECLARING COME AS WE DO DECLARE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THAT W ALL LOVE OUR NATION UNDER GOD.

THE LORD HAS ESTABLISHED AN HIS KINGDOM ROLES OVERALL.

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EVERY PERSON HAS THE CAPACITY O BLOCKING.

HE IS NOT JUST AN ARBITRARY CHOICE OR LIFESTYLE OVER EACH INDIVIDUAL AND WE ARE ALL ONE COUNTY UNDER GOT.

AT 11:00 A.M., MAY 7, WAS TO SATISFY THERE CONCERN TO COME.

AND THOSE LONGING FOR CHANGE, AND THOSE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS BOTHERING THEM COME.

AND WE TRUST THAT THEY HAVE MORE .

AND THEY COME TO ADVANCE HIS KINGDOM PURPOSES IN ALIGNMENT O HIS WAYS OF THIS WORLD. GOD HAS AN ANSWER FOREVER FREEZ SINGLE PROBLEM THAT IS PLAGUING THIS WORLD.

THERE'S A PLACE TO DWELL IN GOD 'S PRESENCE.

CHEESES MADE THAT WAY POSSIBLE. DRAW NEAR TO GOD AND HE WILL DRAW NEAR TO YOU. WE STAND POISED TO DECLARE THAT TOOTH HAPPENS IN TO THE WORLD THAT WE ARE ONE NATION UNDER GO AT THIS IS REALIGNMENT NOT BARBARA BUT JUST PURPOSES AND NOT FOR POLITICAL GAIN BUT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND CLEAVE THAT THERE IS A GOD AND HE IS ABOVE ALL THE KINGDOMS THEN WE ARE AT A GREAT MOMENT IN HISTORY AND I IS AN HONOR.

WE ARE ONE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HANDLE THAT BECAUSE IT IS MOVING AROUND .

THAT IS ALRIGHT. OKAY OKAY.

GOOD MORNING. I CAN DO WITH.

THERE MAY BE GOOD NEWS ABOUT RECEIVING PUBLIC RECORDS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT YET BUT WE ARE CLOSE. THEY CAN BE [INDISCERNIBLE] CIGARS CAN'T BE SMOKED ON COUNT BEACHES BUT NOT CIGARETTES BUT HOW MANY HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOU THIS ISSUE.

HOW MUCH ED 2021 TO CREATE THIS SIGNATURE COIN.

THAT'S FROM TRYING TO SHOW. WITH THE NAMES OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS NOT HOW OUR PROPERTY TA DOLLARS SHOULD BE SPENT, OUR ONCE VERSUS OUR NEEDS AND THAT IS A PROBLEM WE ALL HAVE IN GOVERNMENT.

PUBLIC, SHOULD ALWAYS REMAIN BEFORE AGENDA ITEMS NO MATTER WHO IS SITTING UP THERE, YOU REPRESENT US AND WE SHOULD BE SPEAKING BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES A LOT OF TIMES ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN AT THIS MEETING REALIZE THAT THE PUBLIC IS RUSHED THROUGH AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE T SIT HERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS AN HOURS LISTENING TO DEVELOPERS AND THEIR LAWYERS AND I THINK W NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THIS TIME THAT THEY ARE USING HERE AND THEY HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL OVER THESE MEETINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN STAY FOR THE SHORT MEETING AND HOPEFULLY YOU WILL GET DONE BEFORE 12 BUT THE WAY THINGS GO, IT DOESN'T.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PEOPLE COMING UP HERE AND COMIN UP HERE AND COMING UP HERE AND COMING UP HERE ABOUT ISSUES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AT MAY NOT AFFECT YOU DIRECTLY BUT WHENEVER PEOPLE TAKE THE TIME TO COME DOWN HERE, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOU SOME OF THESE THINGS SO THEY CA

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>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. SEEING NINE, WE WILL PLUCK CLOS

[1. Public Hearing * ADMA26-01 Outpost at Old Moultrie Administrative Interpretation Appeal.]

HAVE 20 MINUTES THAT QUESTION FOR STAFF AND PUBLIC COMMENT FO THREE MINUTES FREE SPEAKER AND THEN PUBLIC REBUTTAL FOR FIVE MINUTES AND THEN THE BOARD DISCUSSION.

>> YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. BUT GOOD MORNING.

JEREMIAH MULLICAN 2801 NORTH THIRD STREET HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION 'S TIME THIS MORNING. WE CAME IN PREPARED TO ARGUE PRETTY STRENUOUSLY ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION MADE BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BUT IN THE MEANTIME WHAT MY CLIENT HAS BEE DOING IS WORKING AND TRYING TO TEAM UP WITH STAFF AND TRIED TO COME TO SEE IF WE CAN FIGHT TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT SO I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ACTUALLY INTRODUC OUR ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT SO HE CAN GO THROUGH SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO COMPLETE AND THE EFFORT TO TRY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND WORK WIT THE COUNTY. I THINK AT THE END OF THIS WERE STILL GOING TO ASK THAT THE INTERPRETATION THAT THE APPEAL BE GRANTED AND THE INTERPRETATION THAT WAS MADE FO A RETURN BUT WERE GOING TO ASK THAT HAPPEN WITH SOME OF THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.

SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER.

>> IF YOU BOARD JUST FOR A MINUTE, TODAY YOU HEAR THIS NEGOTIATION. BASED ON YOUR DECISION FOLLOWIN YOUR DECISION ON APPEAL, YOU CA GET CONSENT OR DIRECTION IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOME FURTHER ACTION. SO LET ME GO BACK TO YOU AND SA THAT THIS IS A HEARING ON APPEA AND WE'VE GOT TO BE PUBLICLY NOTICED IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ALLOW YOU GUYS TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PLANS RIGHT AFTER I IS NOT ALL RIGHT FOR US TO DO.

CAN WE ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT AFTER OUR HEARING.

SO I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT AFTER THE HEARING BUT ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAWS ARE WRITTEN WE ASK TO HEAR THIS APPEAL FIRS UNLESS THERE IS SOME CHANGE.

>> I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WAS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS GOE BACK TO GO FORWARD WITH THE APPEAL THAT WE CAN'T ASK FOR SPECIAL USE OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS NOT DONE PROPERLY BEFOR THE COMMISSION THIS MORNING THA IS WHY I THINK WHAT WERE ASKING AGAIN IS THAT WILL LET THE COMMISSION HEAR THE APPEAL AND WANT TO GET SOME CONTENT AND SOMEBODY'S GOING BE PROVIDE THA CONTEXT UNTIL THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ADVERSARIAL ARGUMENT AS TO WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE COMMISSION TO GRANT THE APPEAL AND THE COLLABORATIVE REASON TO GRANT THE APPEAL SO I UNDERSTAN THAT WE ARE HERE TWO NEGOTIATE.

PURCHASE -- WHAT I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT AND COMMUNICATE IS SUPPORT THE POSITION BUT THE APPEAL SHOULD BE GRANTED AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD

IN A COLLABORATIVE MANNER. >> HERE AGAIN, JUST WANTED TELL YOU THAT I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IN THE BUILDING IS CERTAINLY WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND GO SHE ATE.

THIS IS HEARING ABOUT THE APPEA AND SO WE NEED TO DO THAT BUSINESS FIRST. IF NOT, WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT.

>> I THINK THE PRESENTATION WIL SHOW YOU THE APPROVED STATUS.

>> FOR THE RECORD,. >> PARTAKE ON THE RECORD.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. MR. ARNOLD.

>> I'VE HAD COUNTLESS E-MAILS AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE OWNER

OF THE PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU.

I'VE GOT YOU. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER ARNOLD SAID THINK YOU.

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>> I'VE HAD THE E-MAILS. UP AT SEVERAL PHONE CALLS I ALS DID A SITE VISIT AND I MET NOT ONLY MR. RAMANI BUT ALSO THE VENDORS OF THE FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE AND WE DISCUSSED THE

CHALLENGES THEY ARE FACING. >> THANK YOU.

>> I'VE RECEIVED WELL OVER 150 E-MAILS ON THIS THAT MET WITH THE OWNER AND SPOKEN WITH MATT LOTTIE AND HAD BEEN MEETING FOR SOME OF THE FOOD TRUCK OWNERS A WELL.

>> ALSO, I HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF E-MAILS.

SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO MAKE LIGHT OF IT.

I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF E-MAILS. AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE VENDORS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH MATT IN THE OFFICE ABOUT THIS. YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES.

I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE FOOD TRUCK OUTPOST AS DISCUSSED DURING THE INITIAL HEARING BUT WE HAD SOME COMMENT IN CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS BUT I' HERE TO SHOW YOU THE IMPROVED STATE OF THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION PART OF THAT APPEAL IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IMPROVED. SO THE PROJECT TEAM I THINK WE ALL KNOW LOCATION. KIND OF IN THE CENTRAL PART UP THE COUNTY. AND THERE WAS ZONING THERE THAT ALLOW THAT CLINIC THE CURRENT DRONE FOOTAGE OF THE SITE CLEARLY SHOWING ITS IMPROVED STATUS, DRIVEWAY CUTS COME ANOTHER ANGLE THEY ARE SHOWING SIGNAGE, THE IMPROVED PARKING AND DRIVEWAY CUTS. SHOWING PICNIC TABLES AND SOME OF THAT WHICH WAS ADDED AS PART OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

YOU CAN SEE THIS CLEARLY FROM THE AERIAL PHOTO PRINTS SOME GROUND-LEVEL PHOTO CRP OR I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE HISTORY MY HISTORY STARTS LAST THURSDAY WHEN I WAS ENGAGED, SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT THREE DAYS TO HELP SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

AGAIN, NOT REALLY WANTING TO GE INTO THE DECISIONS.

AT ME COMEBACK OF THAT IS PART OF DISCUSSION DISCUSSIONS LATER IS YOUR HERE TO DISCUSS TODAY I MOBILE SALES NOT BEING ALLOWED ON UNAPPROVED PROPERTY AND I THINK WE ARE HERE TO SHOW YOU HOW IT IS IMPROVED. SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE DONE BUT CLEARLY THERE PROPERTY THAT IS DEFINED AS IMPROVED TODAY. CURRENT CODES PRETTY CONSISTENT HERE. PART OF OUR PROPOSAL IS TO UPDATE THOSE TO MEET CURRENT COUNTY CODE PAID THE EXISTING DRAINAGE HERE, THIS DRAINAGE IS CONNECTED TO THE COUNTY SYSTEM, RECEIVING FLOW FROM THE SITE. EXISTING ELECTRIC SERVICE, EXISTING WATER SERVICE, AGAIN, TO MAKE CLEAR PROOF OF IMPROVEMENT TO PROPERTY IS CUT CENTRAL WATER AND IT HAS CUT SEWER AND IT HAS GOT POWER. INTERNET AND BACKFLOW PREVENTER AND CERTIFY APPROVED ALL HERE I PLACE TODAY.

JUST LAST WEEK WHILE THEY WERE SHUT DOWN THE COUNTY TRUCK THERE , WE BLOCKED OUT THE NUMBER SO YOU CAN SEE WHICH STAFF NUMBER IT WAS BUT USING THE PORTA ON SITE LAST WEEK.

GET YOU A LETTER --THERE, I WIL- BY THE WAIT OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT EXISTING EMERGENCY SERVICES THEY ARE USING THE FACILITIES OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT IS HAPPIER TRYING TO GET THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE VENDORS A PLACE OF THE BUSINESS THAT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE.

>> I AM THE GREETER HERE AT CROWN DEVELOPMENTS.

I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WE SPECIALIZE IN NATURAL GEMSTONES I HAVE SOME EXCESS REPORT YOUR PURSES FELT AS ACCESSORIES FOR

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IF MAYBE WE COULD SWITCH TO THE OVERHEAD I'VE GOT A SITE PLAN HERE, WHICH IS REALLY A RE- CREATION OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. I'M JUST GOING TO PULL THIS ONE AWAY AND JUST SHOW YOUTH IS CLOUDED AREA IS WHAT YOU SEE IN BASICALLY THE CURRENT IMPROVED AREA.

WHAT IS NOT THERE TODAY IS ULTIMATELY PROPOSES IN PINK SOM WHEEL STOPS TO CLEARLY DEFINE THE PARKING SPACES, RELOCATING SOME OF THE GRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT BUFFER AREA AND MOVING IT TO CREATE THE DRIVE-BY .

THE ONE HERE DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE AND ADDING SOME 4-FOOT REAL FENCING TO SEPARATE TRAFFI FROM THE FOOD TRUCK AREAS.

TO ME THAT IS TRULY ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THEM BACK TO WORK UNDER A TEMPORARY CONDITION AND CREATE SOME ADEQUATE PUBLIC SAFETY SEPARATION FROM THE VEHICLES IN CLEARLY DEFINED PARKING SPACES. THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE CLEARLY DEFINED HERE AS YOU SAW FROM TH PHOTOS, EXISTING PICNIC TABLES ARE THERE SOME OF THE COMPONENT AND THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN THE LONGER TERM, ARE IMPROVING THIS OTHER EXISTING AREA AND MINOR WHITENING.

JUST A FEW FEET WIDER TO MCBEE COUNTY CODE, POURING AN ADA PARKING SPOT HERE AND HAVING TH SIDEWALK TO GET TO THE TRAILER BATHROOMS. SO COME, AGAIN, JUST TO REPEAT, THE MINOR, MINOR ADDITIONS TO GET THIS BACK TO TEMPORARY USE WOULD BE THE FENCING, THE WOODE TIMBER WHEEL STOPS HERE AND THE PORTABLE BATHROOM TRAILER THAT IS ADA ACCESSIBLE COULD I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY SITE VISITS THERE IS NO EXTREME SLOPES.

THERE IS NO TRULY COMPACTED ARE THAT CREATES A SOFT SURFACE TO WALK ON. -LIKE AND GET STAFF THAT TESTIN REPORTS TO SHOW THAT IT MEETS COMPASSION REQUIREMENTS BUT AGAIN, POSING TO POUR THAT PARKING SPACE WITHIN THE SIDEWALK AS PART OF THE APPROVE PLAN SET.

THE TEMPORARY ASK WOULD BE THAT UNDER THE STAY HERE TO INSTALL THE FENCING CUP OF THE WHEEL STOPS, THE BATHROOMS, AND ALLOW THEM TO GET THESE VENDORS BACK TO WORK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I DO THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSIO THAT CAME IN HERE WAS A SET OF PLANS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY DEPICTING A MUCH DIFFERENT SCENE THAT IS OUT HER NOT TO PLAY MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK BUT I WOULD NOT OF DONE IT THAT WAY BUT I WOULD'VE GIVEN YOU THIS PLAN SET THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU FIRST AND THEN SUBMITTED THE OTHER ONE LATER I DO THINK THAT PROVIDED SOME CONFUSION FOR STAFF AS TO WHAT WAS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN OUT HERE AND I THINK YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT -- SO COMMON THEME IN MY LIFE, JUS TRYING TO HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES GET BACK TO WORK. SO THIS FUTURE PHASE TO MAKE THAT IS UNDER REVIEWED WITH TECHNICAL STAFF RIGHT NOW IS TRULY NOT PART OF THE PICTURE. ITS BACK THAT THAT BASICALLY HAVING THE PARKING SPACES AND POURING A PARKING SPOT AND FIXING A DRIVEWAY. WITH THAT I'M HERE TO ANSWER AN

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, YOU HAV

THE FLOOR. >> COULD YOU PUT THE SIGN BACK UP REAL QUICK. I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW LONG IS GOING TO BE THIS WAY BEFORE YOU DO THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED OR ARE YOU NOT DOING THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BECAUSE IT LOOKS PRETTY PERMANENT, THE SIGN.

>> THE SIGN IS THERE, THAT IS THE EXISTING SIGN THAT WAS THER

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BOTTOM. >> NO, THIS ONE OVERHEAR PILLAI JUST WANTED TO READ IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS MIGHT STAY THIS WAY FOR A LONG TIME I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT IS THE

TIMEFRAME ON THIS. >> ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON

THE SCREEN. >> THE EXISTING SIGNAGE SPIT IS IS IS BECOME A VENDOR, POP-UP, RETAIL LOCATIONS,-

>> IT WILL BE REPLACED WITH THE SIGN A LOCATION THAT IS SHOWN O THE PLANS THAT IS UNDER REVIEW BY THE COUNTY NOW.

>> DO A WHOLE BLOCK IS GOING TO STAY LIKE THIS, I GUESS.

>> I DON'T HAVE THE CRYSTAL BAL BUT I WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME THAT TO GET CURRENT PLANS THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED COULD BE 12-15 MONTHS.

>> DID YOU KNOW WHEN THE SIGN WAS PUT IN?

>> HAS BEEN A LONG TIME. >> I -- NOT THAT ONE, BUT THIS ONE. THE OUTPOST.

>> I BELIEVE THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN THERE BUT THE OUTPOST SIGN I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS RETROFITTED.

>> THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO THANK YOU.

>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS DONE?

>> I BELIEVE THE IMPROVEMENT THAT I SHOWED YOU IN PINK OF THEIR ADDING SOME REAL FENCING AND TEMPORARY PARKING SPACES COULD BE WITHIN A MATTER OF DAY GOOD POURING CONCRETE REQUIRES

CONCRETE TIME TO CURE. >> IS THERE A LEGAL PROHIBITION FOR NOT COMPLETING THIS NOW? BECAUSE OF THE ORDER?

FROM THE MAGISTRATE? >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS SO I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR STAFF HAS REVIEWED THAT AND SO I DON'T KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SITE REVIEW SO I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT AS THE COMMERCIALS SET AND HAS TO GO THROUGH STAFF FOR REVIEW AND I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFFERS HAD AN

OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THAT IS A MINOR COMMERCIAL PLAN PROPOSES WITH THE FIVE DAYS STAFF REVIEW TIME. I DO KNOW STAFF HAS VOLUNTEERED TO TRY TO EVEN WITH THEIR BUSY WORK LOAD HELP TO EXPEDITE OVERVIEW BUT I THINK THAT THE CHAIRMAN MAY BE ASKING IS IS IT PROHIBITING THEM FROM PUTTING I A SET OF WHEEL STOPS WITHOUT

PLANS. >> THE STAFF HAS TO REVIEW PLANS

. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS LETS JUST GET A CRYSTAL BALL, FOR A SECOND COME AND SAY IF THEY SUBMIT -- HAS THIS BEEN SUBMITTED YET.

>> IT WILL BE WITHIN DAYS. >> ONCE THIS IS SUBMITTED, WHAT REASONABLY CAN WE EXPECT A RESPONSE FROM THE COUNTY SO THA THEY CAN GET CONSTRUCTION STARTED ON THIS, THIS PHASE 1.

THIS IS PHASE 1. >> YES, SIR.

>> FOR THE RECORD, JACOB SMITH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE EXACT PLAN OFFHAND MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE PARKING AREA AND SO OUR LAN DEVELOPMENT CODE MAKES UNPAID PARKING ALLOWED A SPECIAL USE S EVEN IF WE REFUTE IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC

HEARING FOR PARKING. >> BUT AS FAR AS THE REST OF IT IS CONCERNED BECAUSE FROM THE BEGINNING, OUR DESIRE IS TO WOR TOWARDS ALLOWING COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES OPERATING IN THIS COUNTY. SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP.

>> DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT .

PLANS ARE SUBMITTED WITH MINOR COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL, GIVE THE SITUATION, STAFF WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN'T MOVE IT TO TH FRONT OF THE LINE AND REVIEW AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

IF THERE'S OPEN COMMENTS, IT GOES BACK AND WE PLAY THAT GAME

UNTIL THEY ARE ANSWERED. >> OKAY.

THOSE OF THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD.

THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION AND I DO THINK I' HOPEFUL THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN WITH THE CODE AND ENFORCEMENT FIND A WAY TO GET THEM TO WORK IN THAT PROCESS, KNOWING THAT SITE SAFETY AND A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING BUILT. AND IS SURE THERE'S NOT A SHUTDOWN WHILE IT'S HAPPENING. I'M GLAD TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND COME BACK WITH ANY OTHER REBUTTAL.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

ANYONE ELSE? LET'S SEE, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WHILE YOU ARE UP HERE

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LOOK AT IS THE LETTER OF THE LAW. WHAT IS THE LAW SAY.

SO FOR ME BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PHASE 1 PLANS, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SILO. BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE APPEAL, SO TO ME, MY QUESTION T YOU IS AS I LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS PRETTY CUT AND DRIVE WHEN IT COMES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR M PAT I'VE STUDIED THIS EXTENSIVELY FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHY WE ARE HERE AND WHY WE ARE HERE IS THE APPEAL.

SO QUICK YOU JUST RUN THROUGH THE COUNTY POSITION WHEN IT

COMES TO THIS APPEAL FOR ME? >> YES, SIR.

SO AGAIN, THE COUNTY WROTE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPELLANT AN ADMINISTRATIVE INTERPRETATION MATTER AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, SPOKE ABOUT THREE SEPARATE ITEM BUT FIRST OF WHICH WAS THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY AS OF DEVELOPED OR PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED PROPERLY IN QUOTATION IT WAS LAWFULLY DEVELOPED OR PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL SITE IN THE COUNTY'S POSITION O THAT IS THAT WE DON'T DEFINE THAT TERM BUT WE HAVE SOME OTHE PROVISIONS THAT WE SPEAK TO YOU AND SO WE GO ON AND ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE AND THOSE CODE SECTIONS, PROBABLY THE MOST DIRECT ONE IS SECTION 103 OFF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND NOTE TO VELMA SHALL BE UNDERTAKEN WITHOUT PRIOR AUTHORIZATION PURSUANT TO THE CODE. AND NO BUILDINGS DIRECTION LAND OR WATER NEEDS TO BE USED OR OCCUPIED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

EXCEPT THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE GENERALLY WITHIN THE CODE.

SALT THAT IS SECTION ONE. IMPROVED DOOR -- OR UNAPPROVED. IMPROVED OR UNIMPROVED.

>> I WILL POINT OUT A SPECIFIC ASK IN THIS ADMINISRATIVE INTERPRETATION IF I WAS GOING T BROADLY SAY IMPROVED WOULD BE EATING ALL LAND DEVELOPING CODE REGULATIONS AND UNAPPROVED NOT BE MEETING ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

>> THE SECOND PART OF WAS WHETHER MOBILE FOOD VENDORS QUALIFY AS AN ACCESSORY USE AND SO THE COUNTY'S RESPONSE TO THA IS THAT THERE IS AN EXCESS REVIEWS SECTION IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PART TWO AND I PROVIDES A LIST OF ACCESSORY USES FOR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND MOBILE SALES UNITS LISTED A

A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE. >> AND THEN LASTLY THE OTHER MAJOR, WHAT PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES SITE PLAN APPROVAL PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT AND COME OF COURSE, WE GONNA LIST, WE ALREADY MENTIONED ARTICLE ONE, ARTICLE FIVE, MULTIPLE PARTS IN ARTICLE FIVE, ARTICLE SIX.

AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE ALL OF THOSE SECTIONS OF YOUR HAVE TO READ THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THAT IS A WHOLE IF THE LETTER IS ADDRESSING THOSE THREE CRITERIA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE G

TO PUBLIC COMMENT? >> NO.

>> THANK YOU. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

PLEASE COME UP. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. HELLO.

MY NAME IS CARLY FANCY AND I ME 280 BEAR PLACE IN SHORES.

I OWN ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND A SMALL BUSINESS HEARING ST. JOHN COUNTY. I'M HERE TODAY NOT ONLY FOR MYSELF BUT FOR THE MANY SMALL VENDORS WHO HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE SHUTDOWN OF THE OUTPOST.

FOUR MANY OF US THIS ISN'T JUST A SIDE HUSTLE.

THIS IS HOW WE SUPPORT OUR FAMILIES.

OVERNIGHT OUR ABILITY TO OPERAT WAS TAKEN AWAY.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR, WE RESPECT THE RULES AND WE UNDERSTAND THA COUNTY STAFF ARE DOING THEIR JOBS AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT PLACING BLAME FOR THIS IS ABOUT RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS A GAP BETWEEN THE CURRENT CODE AND WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS CLEARLY ASKING FOR THE OUTPOST CREATED SOMETHING SPECIAL COME A PLACE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER FREE OF CHARGE. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A SIMPLE A TEMPORARY PATH FORWARD. SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS OFFENDERS TO OPERATE IN THE SHORT TERM WHILE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS BEING WORKED OUT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW SMALL

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THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

EXPECT ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME? >> GOOD MORNING.

>> MY NAME IS FLETCHER HALLETT AND ADDRESSES 225 ALYSSA ROAD AND I'M IN THE SOUTH. THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, FOR TAKING MY CALL TWO WEEKS AG AND THANK YOU ALSO TWO COUNTY STAFF. MY NAME IS FLETCHER AND I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND FATHER OF TW BEAUTIFUL GIRLS AGES 4 AND 7 MONTHS OLD AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FO 27 YEARS THERE COMMISSIONER MURPHY COME ON YOUR CAMPAIGN WEBSITE IT MENTIONS THE COUNTY SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW AND NOT NECESSARILY THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WERE LOOKIN AT HERE.

I THINK MOST RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WOULD DESCRIBE HER COUNTY AS ONE WITH AN OVERDEVELOPED PROBLEM.

WE CANNOT STOP GROWTH MAY UNDERSTAND THAT.

THE COUNTRY RELIES ON GROWTH ON A UNDERSTAND THAT.

ELSE UNDERSTAND YOU CANNOT JUST DENY EVERY SINGLE REZONING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION THERE NOT TALKING ABOUT DELLA MCMOORE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT AND A COUNTY THAT STRUGGLES WITH OVERDEVELOPMENT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COUNTY DOES EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT.

I HAVE LIVED JUST A FEW MILES FROM THAT CORNER MOST OF MY LIF AND I DO NOT EVER REMEMBER IT LOOKING BETTER THAN IT DOES NOW OTHER THAN JUSTIN AND HIS WIFE COME IF YOU HAVE FIVE OTHER FAMILIES RELYING ON INCOME FROM THIS LOCATION.

THIS IS THE KIND OF PROJECT THA EACH ONE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS CAN HANG YOUR HAT ON AND POINT YOU DURING THE ELECTION SEASON.

THIS IS THE KIND OF PROJECT YOU CAN CHAMPION AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT . I KNOW THESE CODES ARE I KNOW THERE ARE CODES BUT ALSO THESE CODES ARE IN BIG USP LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING AND LET'S GET THE PROJECT BACK ON TRACK AND LOOKS FIX THESE CODES. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS MAKING RULES AND LAWS AND CODES UNAMBIGUOUS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THIS PROJECT AND FIX THE CODES ARE THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR. [APPLAUSE] EXPECT ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME PLEASE COME ON UP.

GOOD MORNING. >> JUST PULL IT TO YOU.

>> YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH IT. >> I'M LIKE THREE-FOOT.

MY NAME IS KIM HARRISON AT 4616 MCCONNELL COURT.

I HAVE NO SKIN IN THE GAME WITH THIS ISSUE.

I'M A CITIZEN, TAXPAYING CITIZE OF THE COUNTY AND I CAN TELL YO THAT WE'D LIKE TAKING TAKING OU GRANDKIDS THERE TO PLAY.

WITH THE FOOD COURT IT WAS WIDE OPEN SO KIDS CAN PLAY IN FAMILIES CAN VISIT WITH EACH OTHER.

MY FATHER WAS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I THIS HAPPENED TO HIM, OUR FAMIL WOULD BE ON THE STREET AND RIGH NOW I'M LOOKING AT STRONG LEADERS HERE THAT COULD BE LOOKING AT THE LAW WITH COMMON SENSE AND LOOK AT THE FAMILY SE UP AND AFFECTED BY THIS, NOT ONLY THE BUSINESS OWNERS BUT THOSE THAT WENT TO THE OUTPOST TO EAT OR TO VISIT WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FAMILY PLACES IN ST. JOHN'S. WORKING YOU GO YOU TAKE YOUR KI TO EAT WHERE THEY CAN RUN AROUN EMPLOYEE PAID YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN A RESTAURANT. THEY HAVE THINGS FOR KIDS TO DO WHILE THE ADULTS ARE EATING PRINTED OF THE FAMILY WHOLESOME PLACE AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BESIDES JUST LOOKING AT TH LETTER OF THE LAW AND WE ALSO HAVE CONCEPTS WE NEED TO USE SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME?

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

HOW IS IT ABOUT A. MY NAME IS TYLER AND I'M 57 ANDORRA STREET, NORTH SHORES. I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE.

I'M HAPPY TO BE OF MY COMRADES IN DIFFERENT THAT I CONSIDER MY FRIENDS AS WELL. I'M AN AIRBRUSH ARTIST AND A METHODIST PASS THERE IN PITTSBURGH FOR TEN YEARS BUT I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE MY WIFE RECEIVED DIAGNOSIS IN DECEMBER WE MOVED DOWN -- AND JUSTIN AND HIS FAMILY AND THE OUTPOST RECEIVED LESS THAN

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS SHANNON MCPHERSON AND I LIVE BUT 925 JORDAN. I'M THE OWNER OF JAMAICA'S BLAZING TOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO EVERYONE HERE THAT THE OUTPOST IS JUST NOT A SPOT.

IT AS A FAMILY ORIENTED PLACE. EVERYONE THERE IS A FAMILY TO US . REPORT TOGETHER PAID WE LIVE LIKE A FAMILY. ON THE WEEKENDS THAT IS THE SPO ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT. EVERYONE COMES OUT TO JOIN US AND EVERYBODY PLAYS AND ENJOYS GREAT FOOD.

WE HAVE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE OF CRIME OR ANYTHING THERE SO THE OUTPOST IS LIKE A FAMILY ORIENTED PLAYS FOR EVERYONE.

SO I'M ASKING YOU GUYS, PLEASE, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO SERVING THE COMMUNITY S THAT EVERYONE CAN COME UP AT ENJOY THE FOOD THAT WE HAVE THERE AND ENJOY THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMING ABOUT. IS GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT TO SAINT AUGUSTINE AND PEOPLE THERE AND ALL THE SMALL BUSINESSES HERE. THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE NET.

SEEING THEN, WE PEOPLE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> THANK YOU.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO YOU KNOW ME AND I'VE SET THE CEMENT TIMES AND I'LL PROBABLY SAY AT A MILLION MORE.

I KNOW A SMALL BUSINESS CZAR AN I LOVE WHAT THEY MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY I SMALL BUSINESS PERSON AND IT IS UNTHINKABLE TO MEET THAT ARE GOVERNMENT IS DENNY THE WAY OF THESE FOLKS BEING ABLE TO COMPETE IN THE MARKETPLACE AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THEIR FOOD TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY THEIR FOOD. SO YOUR STAFF, YOU GUYS INTERPRET AT THE AS IT STANDS T THE.

REVIEW STRICTLY INTERPRETED THE CODE IN YOUR DEBT THAT ACCURATELY. IF THE BOARD INCORPORATES A COD CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR NOT SUCH ONEROUS STANDARDS TO APPLY TO THE FOOD TRUCK PARKS, DO THE REALLY NEED A PAVED PARKING LOT TO DO THEY REALLY NEED SOME OF THE OTHER STANDARDS THAT WOULD VERTICAL STRUCTURE THAT WOULD B BUILT ON ANOTHER PARCEL.

HOW QUICKLY WOULD WE BE ABLE TO BRING THAT IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD SO WE CAN MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES SO WE CAN GET IT OPEN UNDER A SPECIAL STANDAR AND DESIGN FOR FOOD TRUCK WORKS PROSPECTIVE THE BOARD WAS TO GIVE DIRECTION TODAY, WE WOULD DO RESEARCH AND COME BACK FOR THE FIRST MEETING AND INCLUDE THAT AS AN ACTUAL -- THESE REQUIRE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR CODE CHANGES AND THE NEXT TIME WE COME BACK COULD BE THE FIRST OF THE TWO MEETINGS THERE OBVIOUSLY BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO RESEARCH THIS BUT THERE ARE OTHER REGULATIONS WHERE WE UNDERSTND AND JURISDICTIONS THAT WE COULD FEED OFF OF AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU QUICKLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF A TIMEFRAME OF MAYBE YOU GIVE US THREE WEEKS T REVIEW THAT AND HAVE SOMETHING TOGETHER AND TIME TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA. AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE I THINK

IS THE ANSWER. >> OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING IS IN TWO WEEKS BUT I HEARD YOU SAY THREE WEEKS.

>> THAT'LL THINK WE CAN MEET TH STANDARDS FOR THE NEXT MEETING

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>> OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK THANK YOU.

OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE POLICIES THAT WERE ENACTED BY OTHER BOARDS, THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT'S A POLICY DECISION TODAY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES BUT I LIKE TO SEE THE CHANGES MADE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BUT WE HAVE CHANGE THE CODE BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS AN ISSUE UNTIL WE LEARNED WAS AN ISSUE BUT IT IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO CREATE POLICIES THAT ARE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S POLICIES THAT EXIST AS INHIBITING THE ABILITY FOR THES FOLKS SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAK THOSE CHANGES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR PAT I WOULD AGREE.

MY CONCERN IS THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY TIME-CONSUMING AND THE SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHUT DOWN.

THIS IS THE QUESTION OF MANAGEMENT.

THAT IS THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS WA WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO UPHOLD THE APPEAL OR TO OVERTURN THE APPEAL.

WAS THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THE BACK UP AND RUNNING.

>> THE CHARITY COMMISSION CHAIR TO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

IS NOT AN EXPEDITIOUS QUESTION. THERE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE ISSUES BUT UPHOLDING THE APPEAL IS WHETHER OR NOT STAFF CORRECTLY INTERPRETED YOUR CODE FOR THE EXPEDITIOUS WAY I THINK IS WHAT MR. ROBERT SIR FOR SAYING TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTIO TO MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE.

AND THERE'S ALSO AN ALTERNATE PATH WITH THE APPLICANT CAN ASK FOR A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT THAT EXCEEDS WHAT CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH THAT IS PROBABLY THE FASTEST WAY TO GET BACK FOR YOU. THIS DULLS SOME SITE PLANS REQUIREMENTS THAT I WILL LET HI% ADDRESS THAT AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT APPLICATION I THIN THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS PATH WHILE PROPOSED CODE CHANGES WOULD BE CONSIDERE

BY THE COMMISSION. >> SO I GO BACK TO THE QUESTION AGAIN AND MAYBE IT IS FOR YOU. IF A SITE PLAN FOR STAGE ONE MET , IF YOU WILL, IS SUBMITTED THIS WEEK, THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION ON THE ISSUES THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE

TO DEAL WITH THIS WEEK. >> I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT H

SAID. >> I GUESS THAT IS MY QUESTION.

>> IF I COULD, I THINK I CAN PROVIDE A MORE EXPERT IN PLAN THAT WILL GET US THROUGH EVERYTHING.

BUT WE'VE ASKED FOR, WHAT WE AR APPEALING AS THE INTERPRETATION THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS WHETHER NOT THIS PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED.

WHAT MR. LOTTIE PRESENTED WAS I SHOWS THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.

MOBILE SALES UNITS ON UNAPPROVE PROPERTY, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE CODE THIS IS YOU CAN HAV MOBILE SALES UNITS ON PROPERTY.

THIS IS UNIMPROVED AND BECAUSE IT'S UNIMPROVED, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. SO BUT WE ARE ASKING IS THAT YO GRANT THE APPEAL AND SITE THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT THE SITUATION HERE, THAT THIS IS CLEARLY IMPROVED PROPERTY AND THEN WE G BACK TO THE STATUS QUO THAT WE HAD THREE WEEKS AGO OR A MONTH AGO WHICH ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE FOOD TRUCKS AND THE OPERATION GOING THE WAY THAT IT WAS WITH THAT, WE ARE COMMITTED TO FACE ONE NIGHT, WHICH IS THEN TWO PRESENT A SITE PLAN THAT WE CAN GET GO THROUGH AND ALLOW STAFF TO REVIEW AND WE CAN PUT IN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE REASON WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET IS BECAUS PURSUANT TO THE CODE, WE HAVEN' DONE ANY CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT BUT THE ONLY THING THAT'S HAPPENED OUT OF THE PROPETY IS THAT WE BROUGHT OUT FOOD TRUCKS, WHICH IS

PERMISSIBLE. >> YOU CAN'T USE BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. IT'S IMPROVED OR IS NOT IMPROVED . BUT YOU'RE SAYING IS -- AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT WAS

IMPROVED. >> I APOLOGIZE BUT I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR. BUT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS IMPROVED AND SO IT IS PERMISSIBLE PURSUANT TO 204.6, WE HAVE NEST TO DEVELOP IT FURTHER AS OF YET, THIS PHAS I WILL BE ASKING TO DEVELOP IT FURTHER BUT PRIOR TO THAT WE HA NOT ASKED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, MEANING THE ONLY THING THAT HAS GONE ON THERE HA BEEN FOOD TRUCKS AND TEMPORARY STRUCTURES THAT WERE SUPPORTED THE FOOD TRUCK SO WAS NOT DEVELOPMENT REQUIRED DEVELOPMEN PLAN APPROVAL.

>> LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I'M DOING THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY CORRECT. YOU GET EVERY BOTTLE FOR FIVE MINUTES SO CAN WE GIVE YOU THAT FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL I WAN

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SO THAT THIS IS YOUR REBUTTAL. THAT IS WHAT I WAS INTENDING.

TAKE YOUR TIME. YOU'VE GOT ALL THE TIME YOU NEED . I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

I'M DOING THIS CORRECTLY. >> SO OUR POSITION IS IF YOU AGREE WITH THE APPEAL CAN WE GO BACK TO THE STATUS QUO IN THE STATUS QUO IS OWNERS OF A DEVELOPING PIECE OF PROPERTY HA AN EXCESS WERE USED ALLOWABLE T INCLUDE FOOD TRUCKS AND SO IF THE APPEAL WAS GRANTED, OUR POSITION IS WE SHOULD BE ALLOWE TO GO BACK TO BUSINESS TODAY. BUT WITH THAT CAVEAT OF WORK GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ASKED THA WE SUBMIT PHASE I MAC BECAUSE I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IS THE CODE IS MISSING SOMETHING.

THE CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCE FOR THE CODE DOES NOT ADDRESS WHAT HAPPENS I A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO BRING OUT FOOD TRUCKS AND TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY. AT THOUSAND PROHIBIT WHAT WE AR DOING BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T ALLAW THINK THE STAFF TO DO WITH THEY WANT TO DO, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY PRETTY REASONABLE, WHICH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS OPERATIONAL AND SAFE AND THE FIRETRUCKS CAN GET IN AND OUT AND THE PATRONS ARE BEING CARED FOR AND THERE IS SAFETY ISSUES THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS. THE PROBLEM IS THE CODE DOES ALLOW FOR THAT. THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THE CODE SAYS YOU HAVE A PERMISSIBLE ACCESSORY TO USE FO TRICKS ON THE PROPERTY AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO GO THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS OR SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR TO ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS.

IT JUST HASN'T BEEN CONTEMPLATED .

AND SO I THINK WHAT STAFF HOPEFULLY WANTED TO DO WAS THEY WANTED TO REUSE SOME CONSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE REASONABLE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PARKING AND FOR NOT DOING THE THINGS THAT STAFF SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROBLEM IS THE CODE DOESN'T SAY THAT.

THE CODE DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO DO IT.

I STARTED THIS BY SAYING MY POSITION AS AN ATTORNEY IS SOMEWHAT ADVERSARIAL. AND HE CAME IN THINKING HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND SO HIS APPROACH WITH THE PHASE I MY PRESENTATION WAS I WANT TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BY RESOLVING WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE AND THEIR ISSUES ARE PARKING AN BATHROOMS AND ADA AND MAKING SURE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY THINGS ARE CONSIDERED AND DEALT WITH. I THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE RESPONSE BUT FROM THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE BECOME THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE THIS AND THE INTERPRETATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM STAFF IGNORES THA THIS IS AN ALLOWABLE ACCESSORY USE AND, IF I COULD, BECAUSE I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS BASIS IN ORDER TO DO WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO, OUR REQUEST FOR THE INTERPRETATION INITIALL WAS TO TELL US WHETHER THIS CONSTITUTES A LAWFULLY DEVELOPE COMMERCIAL PARCEL UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE SHOWN THAT IT IS.

THIS PROPERTY HAS INFRASTRUCTURE , BUT IT HAS PARKING. THAT IT HAS DRAINAGE, POWER, AL THE THINGS THAT MEET THE DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT.

THERE'S BEEN SOME DISSECTION OF THE WORK DEVELOPMENT.

IS NOT SUPPORTED BY YOUR CODE. THIS ISN'T TRYING TO STOP US DOWN JUST TO STOP US DOWN, BUT IT IS -- SO OUR POSITION IS CLEARLY DEVELOPED.

THE SECOND THING WE ASK IS THE FOOD VENDORS QUALIFIED AS EXCES REFUSE UNDER 2.406 BUT I THINK THEY ARE IN I THINK THE CODE IS CLEAR AND YOU HAVE TO SEE THE ALLOWABLE USES AND AN ACCESSORY IS. AND THEN FINALLY FATHER THIS CODE REQUIRES PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL SITES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW A ACCESSORY USE.

IN YOUR CODE IS SILENT ON THIS. AND SO THE INTERPRETATION WASN' AN INTERPRETATION OF THE EXISTING CODE, IT WASN'T EFFORT BY STAFF, WE FEEL, TO CREATE CODE TO MEET WITH THEY WERE ATTEMPTING IN GOOD FAITH TO DO, WHICH IS TO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS RESTRICTIONS ON THIS PARCEL SO THEY CAN GOVERN THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT PART OF THE CODE CURRENTLY. SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS GRANT OUR APPEAL, SET ASIDE THE INTERPRETATION THAT STAFF HAS MADE SO FAR AND ALLOW US TO GO THROUGH THE PHASE ONE ACT DEVELOPMENT AND AFTERWARDS THE PHASE 2 DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THA IS THE ONG-TERM PLAN FOR IT ALLOWS THESE FOLKS TO COME OUT TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY TO GET BACK TO WORK.

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WITH STAFF. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO -- TWO THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, THE CODE REMINDS ME OF THE E-BIKES.

IT'S A NEW THING, THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE A NEW THING.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT MAKING A NEW CODE FOR THAT. SECOND OF ALL, I DO WANT TO SEE YOU GUYS GET BACK TO WORK, BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT AFTER TODAY YOU COULD START IMMEDIATELY MY STOMACH JUST TURNED.

IT'S NOT ORGANIZED. I DON'T WANT A LITTLE KID RUNNING AROUND GETTING RUN OVER BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED A SIMPLE THINGS. WITH A SETUP LIKE THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD SOMEHOW WORK IT OUT.

THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. >> I THINK THAT YOUR MOTION TODAY COULD INCLUDE THE 4-FOOT SPLIT FENCE BETWEEN THE VEHICULAR AREA AND THE PEDESTRIAN AREA, THE WHEEL STOPS FOR PARKING, AND THE ADA RESTROOMS AS PART OF THIS GETTING BACK TO WORK NOW PLAN FROM A DECADE AGO.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I COULD CLARIFY.

IN YOUR INTERPRETATION, THAT'S NOT STAFF CREATING NEW REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORD DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT ONCE DEVELOPED, ALWAYS DEVELOPED. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT YOUR STAFF THROUGH THE INTERPRETATION HAS CREATED NEW CODE FOR YOU. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT IT INCLUDES CHANGE OF USE AND INTENSITY.

SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK STAFF HAS CRAFTED SOMETHING OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH NEW FOR YOU. THEY'VE INTERPRETED YOUR CODE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER INTERPRETATIONS.

CHANGED USE, CHANGE DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH TO EVERYONE THAT'S CONTACTED US.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF SMALL BUSINESSES, ALL OF US UP HERE ARE. TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY COME OUT THE WAY THEY DID, I KNOW I'VE BEEN LOOKING VERY DEEPLY AT THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE MAGISTRATE STATED, I FEEL LIKE SHE WAS TRYING TO GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. SHE STATED THAT SECTION 2.02 DOES ALLOW FOR TEMPORARY USES. WE CLEARLY KNOW THAT THE CLOSURE OF THIS SITE HAS BEEN DETRIMENTAL TO SMALL BUSINESSES TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES.

SO WE'VE DEFINITELY IDENTIFIED A SIGNIFICANT GAP IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THAT'S REALLY PUTTING SMALL BUSINESSES IN JEOPARDY. I KNOW OUR STAFF IS TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN IN A DIFFICULT POSITION AS WELL.

BUT RIGHT NOW OUR CODE DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE AROUND TEMPORARY OR COMMERCIAL USE AND PROPERTIES SUCH AS THIS.

BUT I DEFINITELY SUPPORT, I KNOW AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TODAY TO GET THINGS STARTED ON SOME TYPE OF TEMPORARY USE. I APPRECIATE SEEING THE PLAN.

I KNOW THIS WAS THE BIG ISSUE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A SITE PLAN, EVEN A TEMPORARY ONE. ANYWAY, I DO FEEL THE MAGISTRATE IS TRYING TO GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.

SO I CERTAINLY THINK AS A BOARD HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY RIGHT NOW.

I'M THINKING ABOUT MEMORIAL DAY COMING UP, AND WE NEED TO GET YOU GUYS OPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, YOU

HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THROUGH THE CHAIR, MISS WEST, THE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT CAN ONLY BE GRANTED ADMINISTRATIVELY UP TO THREE DAYS.

OR CAN WE TODAY AS A BOARD TAKE ACTION TO CREATE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT UNTIL THE TIME THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE CODE?

>> THE TEMPORARY USE IN YOUR CODE ALLOWS FOR THREE DAYS PER MONTH. THAT CAN BE DONE AT AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SITE PLAN I THINK THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME RELIEF IN THE CODE.

NO ONE'S REVIEWED THIS PLAN YET. BUT I THINK THE AGREEMENT WAS WITH THIS PLAN TO EXPEDITE THE REVIEW OF THAT WITH REGARD TO THE STABILIZED PARKING, RELIEF WOULDN'T BE NEEDED FROM THE CODE AND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH A SPECIAL USE.

YOUR PCI AUTHORIZES THAT, AND TO TRY TO AUTHORIZE THAT AS QUICKLY

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AS POSSIBLE. >> IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE FOLKS AT THE OUTPOST OPEN AGAIN TOMORROW WOULD BE TO UPHOLD THE APPEAL? OVERTURNING THE INTERPRETATION?

>> YES. [APPLAUSE]

>> OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY THIS VERY QUICKLY. I THINK OUR STAFF DID A GREAT JOB IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION APPLYING THE CODE.

THEY DID A GOOD JOB. OUR STAFF IS NOT OUT THERE -- THANK YOU. I THINK I'VE COME TO KNOW OUR STAFF ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT OUT THERE LOOKING TO SHUT EVERYBODY DOWN. UNDER SOMETIMES VERY STRENUOUS AND DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO GET THESE FOLKS OPEN TOMORROW, WE HAVE TO UPHOLD THE APPEAL AND THE INTERPRETATION. I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO FIND A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT ACCOMMODATES FOOD TRUCKS AND INTERPRETS THEM IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN SOMEONE WHO'S BUILDING A RESTAURANT OR A VERTICAL STRUCTURE. IF WE AREN'T GOING TO UPHOLD THE APPEAL, WE NEED TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA FOR MAY 19TH THE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS. SO EITHER WE OVERTURN THE APPEAL AND GET THESE FOLKS OPEN TOMORROW OR WE CAN HAVE ON THE AGENDA ON MAY 19TH A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT THAT WILL BE AN AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS AND VOTE ON WHICH WOULD OPEN THEM UP UNTIL WE CAN GET THE CODE CHANGED.

I DON'T THINK OUR STAFF DID ONE THING WRONG.

I APPRECIATE OUR STAFF, I THINK THEY ARE GREAT PROFESSIONALS AND CONTINUE TO SERVE AS THE COUNTY WELL.

SOMEONE WANTS TO COMPETE IN THE MARKETPLACE.

>> THANK YOU. JUST TO ADD, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GO BACK TO WORK TOMORROW, WOULD YOU COMMIT TO IMMEDIATELY WORKING ON THESE SITE IMPROVEMENTS?

>> ABSOLUTELY P. >> ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I GO? A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HERE.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

THERE'S A LOT OF -- I. CAN'T SAY A LOT.

I JUST GO BACK TO MY EXPERIENCE WHEN I WENT TO REMODEL THE STORE. I KNEW THAT IF I TORE THE BUILDING DOWN IT WOULD BE UNIMPROVED AND I WOULD HAVE TO BRING EVERYTHING BACK UP TO C CODE.

THE FOOD TRUCK GUYS, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILE A LAWSUIT IF THIS IS OVERTURNED.

DID THEY JUMPED THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS IN THE WAY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IT. THEY DID IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. THEY SPENT THE MONEY AND DID THE WORK AND WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GOT THAT REALLY COOL FOOD TRUCK COURT OPENED. IT'S NOT JUST THE FACT THAT WE NEED PEOPLE TO GET BACK TO WORK. I AGREE.

SOME OF THE BEST TACOS I EVER HAD THERE, AND HOT DOGS.

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. LET'S GO BACK TO WHY WE ARE HERE. WE AREN'T HERE TO PULL ON ANYONE'S HEARTSTRINGS. WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS APPEAL IS GOING TO BE OVERTURNED OR ACCEPTED. FOR ME, QUESTION ONE, WAS IT AN APPROVED OR UNAPPROVED. OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT COME IN AND DO WORK AND THEN SAY BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGAL WORK WE DID WITHOUT A PERMIT THAT IT'S NOW AN APPROVED SITE.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

WHETHER THERE'S AN ACCESSORY IN IT OR NOT, GREAT.

BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN INFILL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE TO HAVE AN ACCESSORY UNIT. WHAT DO YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY UNIT TO? I CAN'T GET OVER THAT LEGAL HURDLE. OUR STAFF HAS INTERPRETED THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IT. AND I HAVE TO STAND AND AGREE WITH OUR STAFF. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL SAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY INTENTION THAT WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS TO GET US BACK ON THE CORRECT TRACK TO GET AN EXPEDITED PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

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I WILL PERSONALLY DRIVE A TRACTOR TO HELP TRY TO CLEAR THE LAND IF WE CAN TO GET THIS BACK UP RUNNING THE PROPER WAY, THE LEGAL WAY. WE OPEN OURSELVES UP TO A FLOOD OF LITIGATIONS IF WE TURN AWAY FROM THE CODE AS WRITTEN.

I ALSO AGREE, AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE LEAVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN TO GET THEM OPEN AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. BUT THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE THAN JUST WANTING TO HELP VENDORS GET OPEN.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHY WE ARE HERE AND WHAT THE CODE SAYS AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO TAKE STEPS TO CHANGE THE CODE THAT WE DON'T LIKE. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, YOU HAVE

THE FLOOR. >> I DO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY.

I THINK THE TEAM DID A REALLY GOOD JOB, AND I KNOW THEY ARE STRESSED OVER THIS AS WELL AS ALL BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SEEING YOU OPEN IT TOMORROW, BUT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IF THINGS WERE DONE AND THEN BY THE WEEKEND MAYBE YOU COULD GET IT OPEN. BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT GOING TOMORROW LIKE IT IS. I'VE PUT ON MANY FESTIVALS IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA AND YOU HAVE REQUIREMENTS, FROM FENCING TO PARKING, AND EVEN IF THE TEMPORARY PERMIT STARTED ON SATURDAY AND HOPEFULLY THAT PUTS YOU TO TWO WEEKS.

I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING TOMORROW.

>> I THINK MAYBE NOT LITERALLY TOMORROW.

AT LEAST AN HOUR ASK. I APPRECIATE THE URGENCY OF THE BOARD. BUT I THINK TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER MURPHY'S, I ACTUALLY WORKED ON THAT PROJECT AT 312. THAT'S THEIR FINAL USE THOUGH.

THAT'S NOT AN INTERIM USE. THIS IS NOT THE FINAL USE OF THIS PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY IS FINAL USES THE CONTAINER, THE ACTUAL OUTPOST. THE FOOD TRUCK OUTPOST AS WE WERE CALLING THIS IS NOT EQUAL TO THE VILLAGE GARDEN.

>> AS IT STANDS TODAY IT IS. THE PLANS ARE NOT, AND I AGREE

WITH YOU. >> HERE'S THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE.

THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WERE NOT THIS.

IF HE'D SUBMITTED THIS AT THE GET-GO WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T WORK WITH THEM ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.

STAFF IS MORE THAN WILLING TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD QUALIFY.

WE ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU.

BUT IF HE HAD ROLLED UP THIS ADD A BATHROOM TRAILER, THAT'S FANTASTIC. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO NICKEL AND DIME.

I THINK THE ADA BATHROOMS WERE OUT THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER JOSEPH CONCERNS, I THINK PART OF THE MOTION IF I COULD GET THE OVERHEAD BACK ON MY PINK HIGHLIGHTER PLAN HERE, I THINK THIS MOTION TO OVERTURN AND ALLOWING THEM TO GET BACK TO SPLIT RAIL FENCE AS YOU SEE HERE AND HERE TO CLEARLY SEPARATE THE PEDESTRIANS FROM THE VEHICLES.

IT WOULD ALLOW THE WHEEL STOPS TO BE INSTALLED, PUT A 6-FOOT FENCE AROUND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE TO KEEP THAT SAFE, AND BRING BACK THE ADA BATHROOM TRAILER.

THOSE WOULD BE THE FOUR ITEMS UNDER THE OVERTURNING OF THE

APPEAL THAT THEY WOULD COMPLETE. >> THAT'S MY CHALLENGE.

MY CHALLENGE IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO OVERTURN WHAT THE APPELLATE JUDGE SAYS AND I DON'T FEEL THAT'S PROPER.

I'M GOING TO VOTE TO UPHOLD OR TO DENY THE APPEAL.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO DIRECT STAFF TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THESE PEOPLE OPEN AS SOON AS WE CAN, THE RIGHT WAY.

AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND MAKE SURE WE HAD A PROVISION FOR THIS EVENT. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING BACKWARDS. WE CAN'T DO IT BACKWARDS.

WE HAVE TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW OTHERS TO FOLLOW IN THOSE FOOTSTEPS. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT KIND

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WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS IN AUGUST, LAST YEAR, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.

SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.

>> I KNOW -- ONE THING I DO WANT TO SHARE, IN THE 11 YEARS HE TOLD ME HE'S BEEN HERE HE'S NEVER HAD A SITUATION LIKE THIS COME UP. SO IT'S VERY UNIQUE.

I THINK YOU SHARED WITH ME ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE WITH THE

COUNTY. >> IN HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS I'VE

NEVER COME ACROSS THIS. >> SO I THINK THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION. I KNOW THAT PROPERTY ON 312.

BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TEMPORARY USE FOR MAYBE A YEAR.

PERMANENT USE IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

I FULLY SUPPORT OVERTURNING THE APPEAL AND WORKING -- I. FULLY SUPPORT THAT. WE'VE GOT TO GET THESE PEOPLE BACK TO WORK. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN A SAFE MANNER. BUT I JUST THINK BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT I SUPPORT DOING THAT AND WORKING

WITH YOU. >> I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE THE POPULAR THING, I'M HERE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO ALSO, I WANT TO GET YOU GUYS OPEN BY THE WEEKEND, BUT LET'S DO IT RIGHT. I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEONE PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT, EVEN IF IT'S FIRE TRUCKS RUNNING SOMEONE OVER THAT'S PLAYING HIDE AND SEEK BEHIND A TREE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS SAFE.

THAT'S WHY I'M SECONDING THAT. >> MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.

ADI MAY 26-1, THE OUTPOST AT OLD MOULTRIE ROAD, UPHOLDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE INTERPRETATION LETTER.

AND WE HAVE A SECOND. >> DISCUSSION PLEASE.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY WE HAVE FIVE COMMISSIONERS. I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY I THINK THIS DISCUSSION UP HERE HAS BEEN GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. YOU DO NOT WANT FIVE COMMISSIONERS NODDING LIKE BOBBLEHEADS.

YOU WANT FIVE PEOPLE WHO VIEW IT IN GOOD FAITH FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. MY PERSPECTIVE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR CHAIRS IN THAT I THINK, YOU RAISED SOME VALID CONCERNS THAT THIS COULD BE PRECEDENT SETTING.

I THINK COMMISSIONER JOSEPH RAISED A CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN MONTH AFTER MONTH OF CHILDREN PLAYING ON THIS PARCEL WITHOUT ANY INCIDENTS I'M AWARE OF.

I THINK IT'S NOT PRECEDENT SETTING FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO DIRECT STAFF TO CHANGE THE CODE THAT THIS WILL BE ILLEGAL USE. IT'S JUST THE GOVERNMENT TAKES SO LONG. THE REGULATORY PROCESS, WHICH IS NECESSARY AND WHICH IS GOOD, STAFF HAS TO WALK THESE STEPS.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE.

THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO TRY AND HARM ANYONE.

BUT THEY CAN'T GET IT WRONG BECAUSE THEY GET SUED.

THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE TIME THAT IS NECESSARY.

THAT'S WHY GOVERNMENT TAKES SO LONG, THERE'S BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE. YOU CAN FIRE SHOTS AT GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOLKS, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO THIS.

THEY ARE GOOD FOLKS WITH GOOD HEARTS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING TO PROTECT THIS COUNTY. I'M COMFORTABLE OVERTURNING THE INTERPRETATION DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE TAKING ALL THE LEGAL STEPS NECESSARY TO BRING THIS PARCEL INTO COMPLIANCE.

THAT WAS NEVER CONTEMPLATED BEFORE.

I WAS SITTING DOWN WITH SENATOR SCOTT AND HE SAID, I CAN'T FIX IT IF I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. THIS IS KIND OF A BLIND SPOT IN THE LDC. NOW WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE STEPS TO FIX IT, IT WILL BE LEGAL.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS PRECEDENT SETTING BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS ACTIVITY ON THIS PARCEL.

SO COMMISSIONER MURPHY, I CAN'T VOTE YES ON YOUR MOTION, BUT I RESPECT THE REASONS THAT YOU MADE THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. A YES VOTE WOULD BE TO DENY THE APPEAL. A NO VOTE WOULD MEAN TO OVERTURN THE APPEAL, JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE YES, AND THE NO MEANS. LET'S PULL UP THE VOTE.

WHENEVER YOU CAN. DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PULL THE VOTE UP ON THE SCREEN? OKAY.

HERE WE GO. REMEMBER, YES MEANS THAT -- YOU

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IS THAT RIGHT? I'M MOTION TO DENY.

SO YES WOULD BE TO DENY. AND NO WOULD BE TO APPROVE.

>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAGISTRATE.

>> YES VOTE ON THE MOTION WOULD BE WITH ME.

OKAY. A YES VOTE MEANS YOU ARE VOTING TO DENY THE APPEAL. AND THAT FAILS.

SO THE APPEAL IS OVERTURNED. THE APPEAL IS NOT OVERTURNED, THE APPEAL IS ACCEPTED AND THE RULING IS OVERTURNED.

>> THE MOTION FAILED SO THE APPEAL IS UPHELD.

>> WE STILL HAVE SOME CLEAN UP WORK TO DO.

>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WOULD DIRECT STAFF TO INCLUDE A PROVISION IN...

TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR FOOD TRUCK PARKS THAT DO NOT INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT TO PAVE PARKING SPOTS.

I WANT TO SEE WHAT COMES BACK FROM MR. ROBERSON THAT WOULD MAKE A PARCEL LIKE NOT JUST THIS PARCEL, BUT PARCELS LIKE THIS TO

BE IN COMPLIANCE. >> I'D SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> CAN I ADD ONE THING? IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO REGARDING TEMPORARY, I THINK THAT'S KEY RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING FOR THIS FOR A YEAR.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ADDED, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO ADD WHEN SOMEONE IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY?

>> WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS FOR TEMPORARY USE AS.

YOU CAN BE ALLOWED BY STAFF FOR THREE TIMES IN ONE MONTH.

AND THEN ANY TIME AFTER THAT, IF YOU WANTED MORE TIME YOU WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

SO THERE IS A PROVISION THERE FOR TEMPORARY USES.

>> I'M GOING TO NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

I FOUND SOMETHING THAT SAID 30 DAYS.

YOU COULD DO A 30 DAY TEMPORARY, SO TECHNICALLY YOU COULD DO 12 TEMPORARY PERMITS WITHIN A YEAR AND EACH COULD BE 30 DAYS.

>> WE HAVE SEPARATE TYPES OF TEMPORARY USES.

YOU HAVE TEMPORARY USES THAT ARE FOR SEASONAL, CHRISTMAS TREES, PUMPKINS AND THINGS AND THOSE HAVE LONGER TIME FRAMES.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SECTION FOR THE MOBILE VENDING, THAT'S WHERE IT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE. AND THE CODE SAYS ANYTHING THAT EXCEEDS THOSE TIME FRAMES THAT ARE SET, YOU WOULD GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. >> CAN WE GET A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION AGAIN? I DO NEED TO SIMPLIFY IT, THERE WAS A LOT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TASK GROWTH MANAGEMENT IN OUR OCA WITH COMING UP WITH A PROVISION THAT RECOGNIZES FOOD TRUCK PARCELS AS SEPARATE USE AND OTHER COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.

>> I WAS THE SECOND TO THAT AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. DISCUSSION.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, I DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE AGAINST THE MAGISTRATE, THAT YOU ARE GETTING ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU SHOWED US DONE SO THAT NO ONE GETS HURT.

THANK YOU, THAT'S IT. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE.

AND THAT PASSES 5-0. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO CLEAR

UP ON THIS BEFORE WE GO FORWARD? >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, SOME QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THOSE. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD BASED OFF OF WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH IS THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR A LESS RESTRICTIVE CODE THAN WE CURRENTLY APPLY.

SO THAT WOULD BE OUR CHARGE, WE WILL DO THAT AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER CODES OUT THERE INSTEAD OF REINVENTING THE WHEEL AND THEN WE COME BACK WITH MAYBE LESS RESTRICTIVE CODE.

MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE THAT FIRST MEETING. IS THERE A RUSH TO HAVE THAT FIRST MEETING BE THE FIRST OFFICIAL MEETING REQUIRED, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME SEE IT FIRST AND DISCUSS AND THEN COME

BACK? >> I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN WE CAN GET THE BEST RESULT.

WE DO WANT THESE GUYS TO HAVE A LEGALLY COMPLIANT BUSINESS.

>> UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO CLEAN UP BEFORE WE GO INTO THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM? WE ARE DIRECTING STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT CODE. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO? OKAY, GREAT JOB.

[2. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2025-11 Golfway Centre PUD.]

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WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I HAD A HANDFUL OF EMAILS ON THIS ITEM.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I HAD A COUPLE OF EMAILS AND A CALL FROM MISS WHITTIGTON.

SHE ASKED IF I HAD QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

I DID NOT HAVE QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

>> I HAD THREE EMAILS, A MEETING WITH KATHRYN WHITTINGTON, AND

STAFF. >> OKAY.

I ALSO HAD A HANDFUL OF EMAILS AND A MEETING WITH STAFF.

TWO EMAILS AND NO MEETINGS FROM COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS KATHRYN WHITTINGTON IN ST. AUGUSTINE, REPRESENTING GULFWAY CENTER LLC. WITH ME TODAY IS BILL, CIVIL ENGINEER IN TRANSPORTATION. ALSO THE PLANNER, AND RANDY -- RANDY HAMIL, THE... ALSO BYRON PEACOCK, CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL WETLAND SCIENTIST. BEFORE WE GET STARTED I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR REVIEWER. HE DID A GOOD JOB ON THE REVIEW.

THE LAND USE AND ZONING MAPS ON THE LEFT IS FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

IT'S AN EXISTING PUD, PART OF A LARGE MIXED USE DISTRICT AT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF I95. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT. THEN ON THE RIGHT IS THE ZONING MAP IN BLUE, IT'S ZONED PUD AND IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY OTHER PUD ZONING. THIS IS THE PROJECT LOCATION.

IT'S AN ALREADY APPROVED NONRESIDENTIAL PUD APPROVED IN 1997. THE ONLY DEVELOPED PARCEL TODAY IS THE DOP HEADQUARTERS, HERE, FORMERLY THE TREE OF LIFE BUILDING. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE RECEIVED DIRECTLY A LETTER FROM DOP SUPPORTING THIS APPLICATION, BUT IT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IF YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE IT DIRECTLY.

THIS APPLICATION APPLIES ONLY TO REMAINING DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN THE RED. THE ORIGINAL APPLIED WITH 293 SQUARE FEET OF PARTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AFTER CONSTRUCTION OF THE DOP HEADQUARTERS BUILDING OF 71,968 ON 4.28 ACRES. THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY OF 23.3 ACRES AND 221,000 IMPROVED.

THIS IS THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT MAP, CLEARLY DEMONSTRATING THE PROJECT IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY EXISTING OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT, MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL. BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SIDE OF I95 AND IGP INTER INTERSECTION. BY THE WAY, THIS IS THE LAST REMAINING PARCEL THAT'S UNDEVELOPED IN THIS QUADRANT.

HERE ARE THE FIVE CHANGES WE ARE REQUESTING TO ADJUST AN ALREADY APPROVED NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS NEEDED TO UPDATE AND BETTER POSITION THE PROJECT FOR SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE IS NO INCREASE SQUARE FOOTAGE PROPOSED.

THERE ARE 221,032 SQUARE FEET OF ALREADY APPROVED COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND OFFICE USES TO BE LOCATED ANYWHERE WITHIN THE PUD AND TO REMOVE DEVELOPMENT ACREAGES WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THEY WERE SPECIFIED IN JUST A MOMENT.

TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT TO PRESERVE THE ISOLATED WETLAND ON SITE, WHICH I WILL ALSO SPEAK ABOUT IN A MOMENT, AT -- AND TO ALLOW THE PROJECT TO BE DEVELOPED IN A ONE SINGLE

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NOW I HAVE A POINTER. SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL.

THE PUD WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 1997 AND WAS LATER MODIFIED IN 2000. IT CONTAINS SPECIFIC ACREAGES OF PARCELS AND NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOT ALLOCATIONS OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND RETAIL. I BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE NOT TO CREATE LIMITATIONS, BUT TO GET APPROVED THEIR INTENDED PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME. BUT THEY HAVE IN FACT BECOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT COULD BE BUILT ON WHAT ACREAGES.

HERE YOU SEE COMMERCIAL OFFICE, 8.16 ACRES, PRESERVED WETLAND IS 2.7. COMMERCIAL RETAIL 2.31.

RETAIL, 4.12. RETAIL, 2.0.

THAT SINCE BEING WRITTEN OUT. THE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND ACREAGE ALLOCATIONS WAS SPECIFIC USES AND PLACES, PROVEN TO BE INSUFFICIENT FOR MARKET DEMAND FOR DEVELOPMENT OF BUSINESSES THAT REQUIRE MORE ACREAGE AND MORE PARKING.

THIS WAS A MODIFICATION IN THE YEAR 2000.

THE PARCEL ACREAGES AND SQUARE FOOTAGES HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE OVER TIME, BUT THEY ALL STAY APPROXIMATE.

IT'S HARD TO READ, BUT IT'S VERY OLD.

IT'S NEVER BEEN VERY SPECIFIC. THIS IS AN ANTIQUATED AND UNUSUAL PUD THAT OTHER CURRENT PROJECTS DON'T HAVE THESE LIMITATIONS. THEY PLANNED OFFICE DEVELOPMENT TO BE IN THE BACK ON THE LARGER PARCELS AND THE RETAIL TO BE IN FRONT ON THE SMALLER ACREAGES. BUT AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A HISTORICAL LACK OF DEMAND FOR NEW OFFICE BUILDINGS AND THE RETAIL IN THE FRONT IS LIMITED BY THESE ODD SHAPED PARCELS.

THIS IS THE WETLAND WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE SAYS OTHER PERMISSIBLE USES.

SO IT WASN'T EVEN SPECIFIC WHAT COULD GO THERE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED MAP. TO REMOVE THE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS OF THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIFIED ACREAGES, TO PROVIDE GREATER FLEXIBILITY THAN THE CURRENT PLAN ALLOWS.

HERE YOU CAN SEE THE WETLAND PROPOSED TO BE IMPACTED.

THE DEVELOPMENT DETAILS OF THE SPECIFIC PARCELS AS THEY BECOME KNOWN, WHICH RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT, WOULD BE SHOWN ON INCREMENTAL MDPS, BUT AGAIN, WE AREN'T PROPOSING ANY INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER THE 2000 MODIFICATION.

HERE YOU HAVE THE DOP BUILDING WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION. HERE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, ODDLY SHAPED PARCELS. THIS IS OTHER PERMISSIBLE USES.

COMMERCIAL OFFICE WITH THE WETLAND THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE. THIS WETLAND IS ISOLATED AND DOES NOT CONNECT ANY OTHER WETLANDS, AND IT CREATES THIS KIND OF ORPHANED PARCEL, NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING ELSE IN THE PUD. IT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED OR SOLD IN 20 YEARS. SO THIS IS NECESSARY TO DEVELOP LIKELY AN ANCHOR TENANT AND SOME PARCELS THAT'S GOING TO NEED BETTER VISIBILITY AND MORE PARKING FOR INLINE HIGHER END RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. HERE WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WOULD ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE ALLOWED USES AND ADDITIONAL PARKING NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE ANCHOR TENANTS AND BETTER VISIBILITY. THIS IS THE OUTLINE OF THE WETLAND AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT'S INTERFERING WITH THE PARKING AND THE VISIBILITY IN CREATING THE ORPHANED PARCEL.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS APPROVED USES IN BOTH OF THE USE CATEGORIES AND HOW MANY OF THEM ARE DESIGNED TO OVERLAP.

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THE BLUE IS ALLOWABLE IN BOTH THE RETAIL AND THE OFFICE CATEGORIES. THE YELLOW IS ONLY RETAIL AND PINK IS ONLY OFFICE. SO AS I SAID, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ATTEMPTING TO GET THIS PROPERTY SOLD AND DEVELOPED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, ANY WAY THEY COULD.

THIS WAS AN APPLICATION, A MAJOR MODIFICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2023 TO ALLOW 303 MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS WHILE PRESERVING THE WETLAND AS PASSIVE RECREATION. BUT THE PURCHASER DEVELOPER ABANDONED THE PROJECT. THEN IN 2005, THIS IS AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR 198 TOWNHOMES.

BUT AGAIN, THE DEVELOPER ABANDONED THE PROJECT.

SO ONE OF THE CHANGES PROPOSED IS IMPACT A WETLAND.

I SHOWED YOU NEAR THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT.

THE APPLICANT HIRED A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL WETLAND SCIENTIST TO EVALUATE THE WETLAND AND HE'S HERE TODAY IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WETLAND. THERE IS ALSO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, AND IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT PACKET. THE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTS HAVE DETERMINED THE WETLAND IS ISOLATED AND DEGRADED, NO PROTECTED SPECIES HAVE BEEN OBSERVED OR KNOWN TO USE THE WETLAND. PREVIOUS DITCHING RESULTED IN HYDROLOGICAL ALTERATION AND DIMINISHED NATURAL FUNCTION.

IT IS NOT A UNIQUE ECOLOGICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL NATURE TO CLASSIFY IT AS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, REFERRED TO AS AN ESA. THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY PURCHASED SUFFICIENT MITIGATION TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS TO THE WETLAND. THE MITIGATION PROPOSED PROVIDES GREATER LONG TERM ECOLOGICAL VALUE THAN THE WETLAND DOES.

THE COURT DID NOT EXERT JURISDICTION OVER THE WETLAND AND THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS RELEASED CONSERVATION EASEMENT. HERE IS A COPY OF THE RECORDED RELEASE OF CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND A LETTER FROM THE DISTRICT ACCEPTING IT. I THINK I WENT TOO FAR.

YEAH. SO NOW I WILL ASK BILL SCHILLING TO COME UP, HE'S PROBABLY RIGHT BEHIND ME.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. 12740 GRAND BAY PARKWAY WEST, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN FLORIDA AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT FIRST TO PRESENT AND DISCUSS THE TRAFFIC AND ACCESS COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT AND HIT ON A COUPLE OF POINTS RELATED TO THAT.

AND AGAIN, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ENGINEER RELATED QUESTIONS. TO BEGIN, A COUPLE BULLET PO POINTS. ONE IS ENTRY STATE.

THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL USES PROPOSED IN THIS PUD OR EXISTING. THEY ARE NOT APPROVED.

BECAUSE OF THAT, TODAY THE NONRESIDENTIAL USES IN THE PUD ARE EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY. BUT THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THIS PUD.

WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED A COUPLE OF DECADES A AGO, NONRESIDENTIAL USERS WERE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE CONCURRENCY PROCESS. SO THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THERE ACTUALLY IS A FINAL CERTIFICATE OF CONCURRENCY THAT HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO THIS PROJECT IS RESERVING TRIPS TODAY ON THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY. AS WELL, AND MISS WHITTINGTON ALREADY SHARED, RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS NEUTRAL IN THAT NO ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BEING ADDED AS PART OF THIS REQUEST. THE SAME 221,000 SQUARE FEET AND A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE WAS TODAY APPROVED IN THE PUD AND THERE IS NO REQUESTED CHANGE TO THAT. AS WELL, THE MAIN ACCESS TO THIS PROJECT IS PARKLAND TRAIL, WHICH CONNECTS TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED AS A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY.

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AND AGAIN, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AT THIS POINT AN INFILL PROJECT FOR THIS NORTHEAST QUADRANT. AS ALWAYS STAFF DID A GREAT JOB.

I TOOK A COUPLE THINGS FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT HIT ON WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VERY WELL. STAFF HAVE NOTED THAT TRIPS HAVE BEEN RESERVED FOR A BUILD OUT OF THE PUD.

AND ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT AT OVER 200,000 SQUARE FEET, AT THE TIME CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE SUBMITTED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STILL REQUIRES A SITE ACCESS TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. SO WHEN THIS PROJECT DOES MOVE FORWARD, WHEN CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS ARE SUBMITTED, WE WILL ALSO STILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT TURN LANES ARE THE CORRECT LENGTH, THAT THE SIGNAL AT IUP IS TIMED CORRECTLY. SO THAT'S THIS THIRD BULLET THAT STAFF NOTED WHICH IS IMPORTANT. SO THERE'S STILL A LEVEL OF TRAFFIC REVIEW AHEAD OF US TO ENSURE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS WORK EXCEPTIONALLY. STAFF WILL REVIEW THE SITE ACCESS DESIGN AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION REVIEW TO DETERMINE ANY NECESSARY ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS TO PROVIDE SAFE AND EFFICIENT ACCESS. SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. THIS ZOOMS IN TO PARKLAND TRAIL.

THE YELLOW ARROWS SHOWN HERE DEPICT EXISTING TURN LANES.

SO WHEN PARKLAND TRAIL WAS CONSTRUCTED, AGAIN, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL WAS ANTICIPATED.

RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES WERE CONSTRUCTED TO THE INTERNAL CIRCULATOR ROUTE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PUD. ULTIMATE ACCESS TO THE COUNTY ROADWAY NETWORK IS HERE AT PARKLAND TRAIL AND INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. THIS IS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. THE SIGNALIZATION WAS A REQUIREMENT AND HAS BEEN INSTALLED.

CERTAINLY WE ANTICIPATE THAT AS PART OF OUR ACCESS ANALYSIS WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT THIS INTERSECTION AND THE TIMING MAY REQUIRE UPDATES TO ENSURE TRAFFIC CAN GET IN AND OUT APPROPRIATELY. AND FINALLY, THE SLIDE MENTIONED EARLIER. WE DID A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND NOW KNOW WHAT ALL THE USES ARE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. AS MISS WHITTINGTON MENTIONED, THIS PUD IS THE LAST SET OF PARCELS THAT THE USES HAVE NOT BEEN DEFINED FOR. SO WE DID A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT THE CAPACITY OF HEARTLAND TRAIL AND WE WERE EXPECTING BASICALLY TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT, ROUGHLY 16% CAPACITY BUILD OUT AND THEN AT ROUGHLY 64% RIGHT HERE AS YOU APPROACH THE SIGNAL ON THIS NORTH APPROACH TO THE INTERSECTION. SO WE WANTED TO SHARE THAT AGAIN. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS BACK OVER TO MISS WHITTINGTON, BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> NOW FOR THE FUN STUFF. THESE ARE JUST A FEW PROVISIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

POLICY 2.2.4, THIS IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ESA REQUIRED TO BE PROTECTED. ARTICLE 12, IT HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED AN ESSENTIAL HABITAT UNDER THE METHODOLOGIES OF THE FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION.

POLICY E229B AND D. AFTER THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR ELIMINATION HAS CONSIDERED THE VALUE, FUNCTION, SIZE, CONDITION AND LOCATION OF THE WETLAND. IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT WATER DEPTHS IN THE WETLAND ARE RELATIVELY SHALLOW AND

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WE HAVE COMP PLAN A 1311, REZONING SHALL NOT BE APPROVED IF IT UNREASONABLY OR UNDULY IMPACTS NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND THE ASSESSMENTS DEMONSTRATES IT DOES NEITHER APPEAR SECTION TEN OF THE SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT ERCP APPLICANT HANDBOOK, ITS LOW BASED ON A SITE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS USING FACTORS IN SECTION TEN AND THE PROPOSED MITIGATION WILL PROVIDE GREATER LONG TERM ECOLOGICAL VALUE THAN THE AREA OF THE WETLAND TO BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED.

SO JUST SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE PUD MODIFICATION.

ALLOWING APPROVED COMMERCIAL USES WITHOUT LIMITATIONS ANYWHERE WITHIN THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT AREA CREATES A MORE EFFICIENT PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AND WILL CORRECT THE IMBALANCE OF OFFICE AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS IN THE PROJECT.

ELIMINATING THE WETLAND WILL GREATLY INCREASE MARKETABILITY.

IT'S INFILL DEVELOPMENT, SIGNALIZED EXISTING FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROADS SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY IN PLACE AND THE IMPACTS ARE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR.

THIS ALLOWS A MIXED USE PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN SERVING THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY AND EAST OF I-95 AND IGP INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S LITTLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT RESULTS IN...

AND COMPLIES WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

LASTLY THE MODIFICATIONS DESCRIBED IN THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION ARE CONSISTENT WITH DEVELOPMENT TYPES OUTLINED IN OBJECTIVE A 19 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SECOND, REMOVING RESTRICTIONS ALIGNS THIS DEVELOPMENT MORE CLOSELY WITH THE POLICIES GOVERNING MIXED USE DISTRICTS AS ESTABLISHED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IN COMPARISON THE ST. JOHN'S INTERCHANGE PARCELS PUD ARE NEARBY LARGE PUDS THAT PERMIT COMMERCIAL USES AND HAVE SPECIFIED ENTITLEMENTS. THEIR MAPS DO NOT RESTRICT COMMERCIAL USES TO SPECIFIC CATEGORIES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AS THIS ONE DOES. AND FINALLY, UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR PZA.

WITH THAT, I AND THE TEAM ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU

HAVE. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YOU SAID THE INTERNAL TRIP CAPTURE PIER CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? I LIKE THE SOUND OF IT.

>> SO ANTICIPATING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT THAT ARE INTERCONNECTED.

PARKLAND PRESERVE IS AN EXAMPLE, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, OTHER USES. THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO RETAIL USES WITHOUT HAVING TO

GET ONTO THE NETWORK. >> SO THE INTENT BEING AGAIN, THESE BEING THE NONRESIDENTIAL USES, YOU CAN SEE PARKLAND PRESERVE IS WORKING ON A PROJECT HERE.

THIS IS A 55 AND OVER MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AND ALL WILL HAVE NON-- ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO GET OUT.

>> I KNOW THIS COULD BE A LOCAL ACT ISSUE.

>> I'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH MY CLIENTS AND I'M AFRAID WE CANNOT. AFTER 20 YEARS OF NONDEVELOPMENT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE UP DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS.

BUT IF THEY HAD INTENDED FOR IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL WE WOULD HAVE

ADDED THAT. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SITE MAP, PLEASE.

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>> WHICH SITE MAP? THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN?

>> YES. HOW MANY TOTAL ACRES?

>> 23.3. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

I KNOW WHEN WE'VE MET BEFORE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT -- I. THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE THAT SHOWED WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE.

>> THAT ONE? >> PERFECT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WAS OUT OF THE 23.3 ACRES, I KNOW THE ADDITIONAL ACRE FOR THE BUFFER.

BUT CLEARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DRAWING, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MUCH MORE WETLAND SPACE. IT'S NOT TO SCALE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS INTERPRETATION IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S ALMOST A THIRD OF THE PROPERTY BEING WETLANDS.

SO I ASKED, COULD WE PLEASE GET A MAP THAT SHOWS 14% OF THAT

AREA. >> OF THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT

AREA, IT'S A 16%. >> I KNOW YOU ADDRESSED THAT IT

WASN'T A SCALE. >> IT IS TO SCALE.

IT HAS BEEN SURVEYED AND THE WETLANDS HAVE BEEN FLAGGED AND SURVEYED. I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND BILL CAN JUMP IN ON THAT, IS IT SHOWED A BUFFER WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR JURISDICTIONAL -- A. REQUIREMENT FOR A JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND. THAT WAS NOT.

IT'S AN ISOLATED WETLAND THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUFFER ALL THE WAY AROUND. I THINK SOME OF THE TREES AND VEGETATION THAT ARE STILL THERE IS MAYBE SKEWING THIS A LITTLE BIT. BUT THEY HAVE BEEN PROFESSIONALLY SURVEYED AND SO HAS THE WETLAND.

>> REAL QUICKLY, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS OF DISCUSSION.

WE WENT BACK AND RECALCULATED AT LEAST TWICE IF NOT THREE TIMES THE ACREAGES, AND THE ACREAGES ARE CORRECT IN THE 23.3 ACRES.

WE DID CONFIRM, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THIS LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DECEIVING. THIS IS THE 3.7, THE TOTAL.

BUT WE DID RECHECK, AND WHILE IT LOOKS DECEIVING, THIS IS THE 3.7

ACRES TO SCALE. >> THANK YOU.

AS FAR AS LEGAL GOES, COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS IF THE WETLAND IS

AT ALL ECOLOGICALLY OF VALUE. >> I THINK THEY'RE OFFERING MITIGATION, SO WHEN THEY RELEASED IT THEY HAD TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE MITIGATION. THEN FOR THE FUTURE IMPACTS MITIGATION IS ONLY REQUIRED TO OFFSET ECOLOGICAL VALUE.

>> OUR CERTIFIED WETLAND SCIENTIST IS HERE IF YOU WOULD

LIKE HIM TO ADDRESS THAT. >> YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE ISOLATED BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN IGNORE T THAT.

>> BUT THEY HAVE BEEN DEGRADED. THAT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED.

>> THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WETLANDS THERE ANYWAY. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WE SHOULD NOT BE IGNORING THE WETLANDS.

>> SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT THE WETLANDS?

>> LET ME CALL UP OUR WETLAND SCIENTIST.

BECAUSE IT'S DEGRADED. >> BUT WHEN YOU SAY DEGRADED, IN LAYMAN'S TERMS FOR US, YOU'LL HAVE TO TRY TO -- IT MEANS THEY

AREN'T WET ANYMORE? >> BYRON PEACOCK WITH PEACOCK CONSULTING GROUP. IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE AERIAL THAT KIND OF ZOOMS OUT. THE AERIAL PHOTO.

>> THERE'S SEVERAL. THAT ONE?

>> PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON IS DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED AROUND

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BACK WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS PERMITTED THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN THE LATE 1990S, THERE WAS A BIG FIELD DITCH THAT WENT THROUGH THE WETLAND.

THERE WERE NO MITIGATION BANKS PERMITTED AT THAT TIME.

THE ONLY IMPACT THAT WERE PERMITTED WAS FILLING 0.84 ACRES OF FIELD DITCHES AND A SMALL MAN MADE FARM POND WHICH WAS 0.29 ACRES. I DON'T THINK ANY MITIGATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED AT THAT TIME.

THE ONLY THING THAT WAS LEFT ON THE PROPERTY WAS THAT DRAINED WETLAND. IT IS A PROBLEM TO LEAVE A POCKET OF WETLANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMERCIAL SITE LIKE THAT.

AS THE DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED AROUND IT COMON THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS AND IT'S PERMANENTLY LOWERED THE WATER TABLE.

SO THIS WETLAND HAS BEEN DEGRADED.

IT'S NEVER GOING TO FUNCTION LIKE IT DID HISTORICALLY.

THE PERIMETER AROUND THE EDGE, I THINK THAT'S UNDER THE OLD DELINEATION METHODOLOGY. TODAY, REDOING IT UNDER CURRENT METHODOLOGY, SLIGHTLY LARGER IN SIZE NOT BECAUSE IT'S WETTER BUT BECAUSE THE LIST OF WETLAND PLANTS HAS CHANGED.

>> OKAY. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE IS MITIGATION BEING REQUIRED THAT DOES STATE SOMETHING ABOUT THE WETLANDS HERE.

AND THERE'S JUST SO MUCH HOUSING AROUND THAT AREA AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ELIMINATING THE WETLANDS.

I'M NOT 100% SURE WHY THE PZA DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT CLOSER.

BUT I DON'T THINK ELIMINATING THE WETLAND IS JUSTIFICATION FOR

MARKETABILITY. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> YOU ARE LITERALLY PUTTING A PARKING LOT THERE.

MAKING IT A PARKING LOT, JUST LIKE THE SONG.

BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITHOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT BEING APPLIED HERE AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU WERE DOING TO THE WETLAND. I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AT

ALL, I'M SORRY. >> ANYONE ELSE?

LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.

PLEASE COME UP. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS TOM GEORGE, 558 DEERFIELD ROAD. I JUST WANT TO JUMP REAL QUICK TO EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID, I HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE HYDRAULIC CYCLE. THAT MANY ACRES OF LAND WHEN IT RAINS WILL COLLECT SO MUCH WATER, AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND SUPPLIES SUPERFICIAL LAYERS OF WATER FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT AREA.

TO ASPHALT OVER A WETLAND THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, RIGHT NOW IT MIGHT BE DRY.

THE DITCHES HAVEN'T HAD WATER IN THEM IN SIX MONTHS.

I'VE BEEN DRAWING WELLS FOR OVER 50 YEARS IN THIS COUNTY AND OUR WATER TABLE IS SO DRY. 15 FEET.

WE ARE IN A CRISIS RIGHT NOW. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

AND TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO ANIMALS, THAT RIGHT THERE, I LIVE 300 FEET FROM PALENCIA. GUESS WHERE ALL THE ANIMALS ARE AT, ON MY LAND. I SEE DEAD ANIMALS ON THE ROAD ALL THE TIME. I SEE DEER, BOBCATS, TURKEY.

ALL KINDS OF WETLAND BIRDS. ANIMALS.

FOR THEM TO SIT THERE AND SAY, AN ENGINEER, THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD TO ME IS AN ENGINEER WHEN IT COMES TO WATER AND WATER WELL DESIGNING. THEY DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT WATER. WHEN THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT CAME HERE BACK IN THE 70S, I WAS LICENSED BY THE DNR.

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WHICH MEANS IN THIS DISTRICT, ONE FROM EVERY COMPANY, WE GO THERE AND WE WOULD TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT COME FROM ALL OVER WHAT THEY DID. WE DID THE CONSTRUCTION CODES AND METHODS, AND RULES AND REGULATIONS.

THAT'S HOW FAR BACK I GO. THERE'S NO MORE IN -- NO ONE IN THE COUNTY THAT KNOWS ANY MORE ABOUT WATER THAN I DID.

HE HASN'T POKED AS MANY HOLES IN THIS GROUND AS I HAVE IN THIS COUNTY. AND I WOULD APPRECIATE JUST THINKING AND HAVING ANOTHER PROJECTION DONE ON THE WETLANDS.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT, GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. OR AFTERNOON, I GUESS IT IS NOW.

ALMOST. I'M JUST GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PZA. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE COULD IGNORE THIS GLARING THING. I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS, BUT I TALKED TO PEOPLE AT ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ABOUT WHY THEY WOULD CHOOSE TO REMOVE THAT FROM A PROTECTED AREA. I SPOKE WITH JEN LUMBERG ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL AND I'M NOT TESTIFYING FOR HER.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT, AND THAT'S WHY I REACH OUT TO PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW. ALL WETLANDS HAVE VALUE AND I'M NOT MINIMIZING THAT AT ALL. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE MITIGATION CREDITS AND THERE HAVE BEEN DITCHES DUG AROUND THE WETLAND THAT HAD ACTUALLY DRAINED IT INTO A POND THAT WAS USING TO WATER CATTLE OR SOMETHING.

AND IT PROBABLY WASN'T GOING TO FUNCTION IN THE CAPACITY THAT MOST WETLANDS DO RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE PZA DIDN'T CONSIDER THIS.

THAT'S WHY I VOTED THE WAY I DID.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? COME ON UP.

>> THIS GOES WAY BACK TO BANNAN LAKES, WHEN THAT WAS GETTING APPROVED. ALLAN ROBERTS, THE FARMER WITH THE CATTLE, WAS A BIG PLAYER IN THAT AND THAT'S WHAT HE HAD OUT THERE, CATTLE. BUT YOU GET RID OF THEM, YOU HAVE YOUR CATTLE OUT THERE AND THEN YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THEM BECAUSE THE MARKET VALUE IS GOING DOWN AND START THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT. AND AS YOU SEE, YOU KNOW IT.

WHEN IT HAPPENS, BACK THEN IT WAS EASY TO RECOGNIZE AND SAY, YOU WANT TO DRAIN IT, GO AHEAD. YOU'VE GOT NO REAL ISSUE ABOUT IT UNTIL NOWADAYS, IT IS AN ISSUE.

LIKE I HEARD BEFORE, IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND WE ARE STARTING TO MAKE CHANGES NOW. AND IT SHOULD BE LIKE THAT.

WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT GOING AROUND IT, AND YOU HAVE THE DRAIN POND RIGHT THERE, YES, IT IS.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE PRACTICAL THAN JUST PAVING IT ALL OUT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S USELESS.

AND THEN AGAIN, HOW BIG OF AN ESTABLISHMENT WILL WE PUT THERE.

WILL IT BE 127,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT NEEDS AN UPDATED SIGN? BUT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO GET BUILT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER BY THE PARKLAND PRESERVE, THEY WERE GENEROUS ENOUGH TO ADD $5 MILLION TO THE COUNTY TO GET THE VOTE PASSED.

AND THEY DID, AND IT GOT PASSED. SO NOW THEY ARE GOING TO START

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AND THESE HIGHLY PAID EXPERT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT UP THERE ON THAT PROPERTY? SO IT MEANS THEIR PLAN IS INCOMPLETE.

THINK OF IT LIKE THAT. OR, PROPERTY RIGHTS.

IF THEY OWN IT, LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ON IT.

IS THAT BEING A LITTLE BIT OVER EXTRAVAGANT ON IT? BUT IT'S PROPERTY RIGHTS. IF NOT, IF WE DON'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT, THE STATE WILL PASS A BILL AND WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT LATER. SO THINK ABOUT IT IN THAT SENSE.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. PAMELA.

I'M OPPOSED TO THE REMOVAL OF WETLANDS.

I CAUTION THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY AND THE VALUE OF WETLANDS. THEY ARE A NATURAL SPONGE.

WHEN WE DO HAVE THOSE SEVERE STORMS, HURRICANES, OR PERIODS WHEN WE ARE NOT IN A DROUGHT, THE WETLANDS DO ACT AS A SPONGE TO ABSORB A LOT OF THAT WATER. OUR COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH A TREMENDOUS DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF THE COUNTY. AND WE HAVE TO REALLY SLOW DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND TREES ARE IMPORTANT.

THEY GIVE OXYGEN TO US. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER TO PAVING OVER A WETLAND WITH A PARKING LOT.

I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT AND CONSIDER THAT IN YOUR VOTING. I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE SIERRA CLUB FOR AS LONG AS THE 90S, AND I THINK THAT IF THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS, THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? GOOD MORNING.

>> HONORABLE MEMBERS, RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY.

LIKE CHARLIE AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, LOSS OF WETLAND, LOSS OF ENVIRONMENT. SORRY.

IN THAT AREA I'VE SEEN BALD EAGLES, AND I'VE SEEN BEARS IN THAT AREA. PROBABLY NOT ANY MORE SINCE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME IN.

BUT AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN PREVIOUS SAID, THAT WETLAND GIVES US FUNCTIONS, DEGRADED OR NOT.

WHEN THE STORMS COME WE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR THAT.

AND MORE LOSS OF HABITAT AROUND HERE.

SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

YOU NEED TO DENY THIS REQUEST, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE HOW SMALL IT IS OR HOW BIG IT IS, YOU SHOULD NOT ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT TO PRESERVE THE WETLANDS.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO QUALITY OF LIFE VERSUS MONEY, WHICH IS DEVELOPMENT. 20 YEARS AND THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING. THIS IS A TIME TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS, THERE'S A RIGHT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S A WRONG KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

PLEASE DENY THIS, AND THINK ABOUT IT.

THEY COULD REDO EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO DO AND LEAVE THE WETLANDS ALONE. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG THE WETLANDS ARE. DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO AFFECT

IT. >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. MITIGATION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

WETLAND MITIGATION. >> IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD MEAN

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IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AS HIGH QUALITY.

THEY LOOK AT THE HYDROLOGY. THEY LOOK AT THE VEGETATION TO SEE IF IT'S PRISTINE OR NOT, WHICH IT ISN'T.

THE SCORE IS ASSIGNED ON A PER ACRE BASIS TIMES THE ACREAGE OF THE WETLAND IMPACT AND YOU COME UP WITH THE AMOUNT OF MITIGATION CREDIT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. THEY WOULD BE PURCHASING THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF CREDIT FROM A MITIGATION BANK THAT SERVES THE SAME DRAINAGE BASIN. UNDER THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT RULES, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE A PLAN OF ECOLOGICAL VALUE, WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF A MITIGATION BANK AND IT CAN PROVIDE GREATER LONG TERM ECOLOGICAL VALUE, IT MEETS THE RULE. SO YOU OFFSET THE FUNCTIONS PROVIDED BY THAT WELL AND WITHIN A MUCH LARGER MITIGATION BANK IN

THE SAME DRAINAGE BASIN. >> OKAY.

SO THERE'S LAND NEAR HERE THAT THEY ARE BASICALLY SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO PURCHASE, IF YOU WILL, THE SAME VALUE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE IT CAN BE USED AND REPLACE IT FROM HERE WHERE IT CAN'T BE USED. I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP.

I'M READING THE DEFINITION OF WETLAND DEGRADATION, A NEGATIVE TREND IN WETLAND CONDITION CAUSED BY PHYSICAL OR DIRECT OR INDIRECT HUMAN INDUCED PROCESSES." SO WE HAVE DRAINED THAT WETLAND, PEOPLE HAVE, WHETHER IT WAS THE FARMER, DEVELOPER 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A VIABLE WETLAND ANYMORE.

IT'S JUST GETTING TREES FROM 20 YEARS AGO THAT GREW IN A WETLAND AND THERE'S NO MORE WETLAND. AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?

>> IT'S BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY DEGRADED.

IT IS STILL A WETLAND BUT DOESN'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF

FUNCTION IT USED TO HAVE. >> OKAY.

LONG TERM REDUCTION OR LOSS IN BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTIVITY, ECOLOGICAL ROLE OR VALUE TO HUMANS.

SO IT'S BEEN DEGRADED. IS THERE A SCALE ON ONE TO 100,

OR 1 TO 10? >> IT GOES FROM ZERO WHICH IS...

TO A TEN. THAT WOULD BE I DON'T THINK ANY HIGHER THAN A FIVE. FOUR OR FIVE.

>> OKAY. I REALLY SHARE MY CO COMMISSIONERS CONCERN ABOUT PAVING OVER A WETLAND.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME IS THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S EVER GOING TO BE A WETAND LIKE WE THINK OF WETLANDS.

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FUNCTIONS THAT A WETLAND SURROUNDED BY UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT'S CONNECTED INTO A LARGE CONNECTED WETLAND SYSTEM WOULD HAVE.

THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF POSTAGE STAMP MITIGATION THAT WAS REQUIRED BEFORE THEY HAD MITIGATION BANKS.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF MITIGATION WATER MANAGEMENT DOES NOT ENCOURAGE. WHEN YOU SURROUND WETLANDS LIKE THIS WITH INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT MUCH WILDLIFE HABITAT. OF WILDLIFE GOING THROUGH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO TRY TO GET INTO THAT WETLAND.

ALL THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM YOUR DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CAPTURED IN YOUR STORMWATER PONDS AND TREATED.

WHATEVER STORAGE FUNCTION IS BEING PROVIDED BY THAT WETLAND WOULD BE OFFSET WITH YOUR STORMWATER SYSTEM.

SO YOU ARE BASICALLY LEAVING KIND OF A TREE ISLAND WITHIN

YOUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT

EXPLANATION. >> ANY REBUTTAL?

>> MR. CHAIR, I WAS OING TO ADD A COUPLE OF QUICK EXTRA THINGS.

THERE WAS MENTION OF THE WATERY IN THE WETLAND AND THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS. I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT WE HAVE FACTORED IN AND WILL BE FACTORING INTO THE POND SYSTEM THE WATER THAT WILL NOW BE ACCEPTED AND AS MENTIONED EARLIER IT'S ALSO A VERY SHALLOW WETLAND.

SO IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION TODAY, IT HOLDS VERY LITTLE WATER. WE HAVE ALREADY ACCOMMODATED THAT IN THE PONDS AND ANTICIPATED THAT.

AND THE WETLANDS RIGHT HERE, IN THE BIGGER SCHEME OF THINGS,

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>> LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.

CAN THAT BE USED AS A STORAGE FACILITY FOR WATER? IS THAT SOMETHING WATER MANAGEMENT WILL ALLOW YOU TO USE, INSTEAD OF DIGGING A BIG HOLE FOR A RETENTION POND?

>> TECHNICALLY WE COULD GET CREDIT FOR THAT.

BUT IT'S NOT A VERY EFFICIENT USE, AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY DEEP. SO WE ARE GETTING VERY LITTLE CREDIT FROM THE STORMWATER STANDPOINT.

IT'S MUCH MORE EFFICIENT TO HANDLE STORMWATER IN THE POND SYSTEM. SEVERAL PONDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN

CONSTRUCTED. >> THEY ACTUALLY COUNTED AS AN IMPACT AND REQUIRE YOU TO MITIGATE FOR THE ENTIRE WETLAND.

I'VE TRIED THAT OVER THE YEARS AND I CONSIDER THAT NOW PART OF A PERMANENT SYSTEM. SO YOU CAN COME BACK IN THE FUTURE AND CHANGE THAT TREATMENT SYSTEM.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MISS WHITTINGTON, WOULD YOU PLEASE GO TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT HAS THE STAFF REPORT? WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, THROUGH THE CHAIR, TO WHAT DEGREE SHOULD WE CONSIDER IN A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AN APPLICANT'S INABILITY OR LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO WAIVE THEIR RIGHTS TO THE LIVE LOCAL

ACT? >> THAT'S ALWAYS QUESTIONABLE.

TO THE EXTENT IT CAN BE WAIVED AS QUESTIONABLE.

WE DO ASK PEOPLE TO DO THAT, BUT WHETHER YOU CAN DENY FOR THAT

WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. >> THANK YOU.

I'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THAT A NICE THING THAT SOME APPLICANTS ARE WILLING TO DO. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT AS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

MISS WHITTINGTON PUT THIS SLIDE UP EARLIER.

THIS STRIKES ME AS COMPELLING. THAT IT'S IN OUR STAFF REPORT.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER, SOMETHING THAT I'M CERTAINLY AWARE OF, THAT THIS IS NOT NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT AN APPLICATION ON A PARCEL ZONED OR. THESE TRIPS HAVE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, THERE IS DEVELOPMENT ALREADY PLANNED IN THE AREA.

SO WE WANT DEVELOPMENT TO GO INTO AREAS PLANNED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WE WANT TO CONSERVE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE IN AREAS NOT DESIGNATED YET FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING A DECENT JOB OF.

SO THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PARCEL, INFILL.

I'M IN SUPPORT OF HIS APPLICATION.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY BASED ON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. LET'S VOTE.

THAT PASSES 3-2. >> WHILE WE ARE HERE CAN I ASK FOR A WAIVER TO ARTICLE NINE ON THE PROHIBITION OF BRINGING IT BACK IN CASE THEY DECIDE TO COME BACK WITH ANY CHANGES?

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

ANYTHING ON THE LEGAL SIDE? >> THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION. THOSE TYPES OF WAIVERS HAVE BEEN GRANTED, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.

[3. FLUEDRA Mediation: REZ 2024-18 Enclave at World Golf.]

>> WE DO NOT HAVE A CONSENSUS. SO MY APOLOGIES.

THANK YOU. LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 3. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

BEFORE I GIVE A QUICK UPDATE AND ASK FOR DIRECTION REGARDING ENCLAVE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE I DO WANT TO NOTE ONE CORRECTION.

THE PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN DISTRICT FOUR, IT'S

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I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THE PUBLIC.

THIS IS A CARRYOVER OR A FOLLOW UP FROM A REZONING THAT YOU CONSIDERED AND DENIED LAST AUGUST FOR A PROJECT NAMED ENCLAVE OR OLD GOLF VILLAGE. AT THE TIME, THE APPLICATION WAS TO TAKE AN EXISTING PUD WITH EXISTING RIGHTS TO 21 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MODIFY OR REZONE THAT TO ALLOW FOR 63 TOWNHOMES, INCLUDING A WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT.

YOU DENIED THAT REZONING. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT DENIAL, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ENGAGED THE STATUTORY PROCESS.

THE FIRST STEP IN THAT PROCESS WAS A MEDIATION, WHICH WAS HELD TO TRY TO SEE IF SOMETHING COULD BE RESOLVED.

THE AGREEMENT THAT WE CAME TO AS A RESULT OF THAT MEDIATION WAS THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THE HILBERTS TO ASK THIS BOARD WHETHER THEY WOULD CONSIDER SCHEDULING A NEW REZONING HEARING FOR A NEW PROPOSAL KIND OF BASED ON ALLOWANCES UNDER THE PLAN AMENDMENTS WHICH HAVE RECENTLY BEEN APPROVED.

INSTEAD OF THE 63 TOWNHOMES WITH THE WORKFORCE COMPONENT, NOW THEY'VE REDUCED THAT DEMAND TO A PROPOSED 36 TOWNHOMES WITH NO WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT. WHAT WE ARE ASKING TODAY IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO CONSIDER HOLDING THAT REZONING HEARING.

THIS IS NOT THE REZONING ITSELF, IT'S JUST WHETHER YOU WANT THEM TO COME BACK HERE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DENY REZONING THERE'S AT LEAST A ONE YEAR. WHERE THEY CAN'T APPLY FOR A REZONING. THIS WOULD EXPEDITE THAT AND KIND OF MOVE IT UP THE CALENDAR. IF YOU WERE TO ALLOW A NEW REZONING, THAT WOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF OUR NORMAL CHANNELS LIKE PZA, PUBLIC NOTICE, ADVERTISING, ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THE ATTORNEY FOR THE HILBERTS IS PRESENT AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL.

SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MR. GABRIEL IS HERE

AS WELL. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. JASON GABRIEL.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I WANTED TO HEAR FROM MR. GABRIEL.

>> THANK YOU. IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS.

I THINK MR. ROSS HAS VERY NICELY AND SUCCINCTLY SUMMARIZED WHERE WE ARE. WE ARE NOT HERE ON THE MERITS OF THE REZONING TODAY. WE CERTAINLY HAVE A VERY HIGH END PRODUCT WITH A MUCH LESS INTENSE PROPOSAL.

THE IDEA IS TO JUST GIVE IT ANOTHER SHOT THROUGH YOUR NORMAL REZONING PROCESS. BUT WITH THAT I'M AVAILABLE FOR

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> I SHOULD NOTE JUST NOT ONLY FOR THE BOARD BUT THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE A FULL PICTURE.

IF YOU WERE TO TAKE NO ACTION OR TO DENY THE AGREEMENT, THE NEXT STEP UNDER FLUEDRA WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE MERITS OF THEIR NEW PLAN OR CHALLENGING THE BASIS FOR YOUR ORIGINAL REZONING DENIAL. SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS IF THERE WAS TO BE NO ACTION OR DENIAL TODAY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.

>> PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WHO? >> BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. WE USE THAT WORD A LOT.

THIS IS NOT THE COURT ENFORCEMENT -- CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. JUDGE WOLFF IS THE ONE THAT ALSO

CONDUCTED THE MEDIATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.

GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MIKE LASTER. I'M A BOARD PRESIDENT.

LAKES IS A COMMUNITY IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED REZONING. IT'S A COMMUNITY OF 856 HOMES, ABOUT 3000 RESIDENTS. ALL OF TEM ARE EXTREMELY DISTURBED BY THE PROPOSED REZONING.

THE TRAFFIC IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC.

IT'S BECOME SO THAT TRAVELING ABOUT HALF A MILE FROM THE ENTRANCE TO 16 TAKES IN THE RUSH HOUR 20-40 MINUTES.

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NOT ONLY WOULD IT INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, BUT ALSO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS RIGHT ACROSS THAT STREET AT MEADOWS AND KIDS CROSS IT ALL THE TIME. A U-TURN WOULD ENDANGER THOSE KIDS AT THAT CROSSING. SO I WOULD URGE THE BOARD TO REJECT THE REQUEST FOR REZONING HEARINGS IF POSSIBLE AND IF IT DOES PASS, TO CONSIDER THE RISK TO KIDS AND THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION WHICH ALREADY EXISTS, WHICH IS ALREADY WAY BEYOND WHAT IT SHOULD BE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

COME ON UP. >> HELLO.

CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATE, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS ENCLAVE THE BACK IN 2016, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN COMMISSIONER SMITH PASSED IT AND IT WAS ONLY 21 HOMES.

I'M WONDERING HOW LONG IT IS TO BE ON THE RECORD, OR IF IT RUNS OUT OF THAT 10-YEAR TIME SPAN. ANYHOW, JUST BY DROPPING IT DOWN IT'S STILL MORE THAN WHAT WAS PASSED.

IT'S STILL 21 HOMES AND THEY HAVE TO GO WITH THAT.

BECAUSE OF THAT, AND LIVING IN MILL CREEK ESTATES, RIGHT THERE AT THE MEDIAN WITH THE U-TURNS, BECAUSE THIS IS A RIGHT EXIT.

WE KNOW ABOUT IT. I SAT THERE 5 MINUTES THIS MORNING JUST WAITING TO GET OUT. THAT AREA IS GETTING SQUEEZED OUT BECAUSE BESIDE THIS PROPERTY IS PRETTY SURE ABOUT THE CHARTER SCHOOL THAT WANTS TO BE 50,000 SQUARE FOOT AND UP TO 50,000 STUDENTS. -- WILL THAT MAKE IT OR? YES, IT WILL. BUT THE ONE AT SILO ROAD AND MILL CREEK ESTATES, WE CAN'T BE SQUEEZED OUT.

IT'S HARD FOR US TO GET OUT. THERE'S NO LIGHT, THERE'S NO CROSSING THE MEDIAN RIGHT THERE. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITY ROAD CHANNELS DOWN INTO A SINGLE LANE THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.

BUT THAT IS A TRAFFIC ASPECT, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ALWAYS TOLD TO US, QUASI JUDICIAL, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT TRAFFIC AS PART OF THE ASPECT OF WHAT PEOPLE COMING IN I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IS IT GOING TO RAISE OUR HOUSE VALUES? NO, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BACK IN OUR AREA DON'T WANT TO SELL THEIR HOUSES. BUT WE HAD TO LOOK AT A BIG SPECTRUM. YES, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS A LITTLE CROWDED. THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT WALK TO AND FROM SCHOOL. BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE HERE. THIS WHOLE ENCLAVE, 21 HOMES, I KNEW IT WAS TOO MANY. I DIDN'T LIKE WHEN JEFF SMITH SAID FINE, AND NOW MISS ROBINSON, THE PROPERTY SHE LIVES ON IS UNDER CONTRACT THAT THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT CHARTER SCHOOL.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3?

>> JUST AS A REMINDER, ALL WE ARE ASKING IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THE REZONING. THIS IS NOT THE SUBSTANCE OF

REZONING ITSELF. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> TOM GEORGE, 558... THESE HOUSES REQUIRE WATER.

WHERE'S THE WATER COMING FROM? THE SUPERFICIAL WATER...

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THEY COME AND GO. IT GOES ON AND ON.

YOU COVER UP THAT WETLAND, THEY CALL IT WETLANDS BECAUSE IT'S WET. OH THAT FORMATION IS DESIGNED TO FEED DOWN INTO SUPERFICIAL AREAS TO SUPPLY WELLS IN THE AREA.

YOU BUY A PIECE OF LAND, REPLACE IT.

THAT DOESN'T HELP THESE OTHER PEOPLE OVER HERE THAT NEED THAT WETLAND TO BUILD OUR WELLS. BACK ON THE OTHER STORY.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MORATORIUM FOR ANY PUD IN THIS COUNTY UNTIL WE DO A PROJECTION OF OUR WATER ISSUES IN THIS COUNTY. I THINK IT WOULD BE NEGLIGENT IF YOU DIDN'T GET A SPECIAL BOARD OR WHATEVER TO LOOK INTO OUR WATER, THE AMOUNT WE HAVE AND THE QUALITY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE IT'S GOING DOWN.

MY OWN PERSONAL WELL THAT I DRILLED 50 YEARS AGO IS PRODUCING 75% LESS WATER NOW THAN IT DID WHEN I DRILLED IT.

THAT'S BECAUSE I'M 300 FEET FROM VALENCIA.

THE FARMERS PUMP DAY AND NIGHT DURING THE GROWING SEASONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, TRAFFIC THERE IS HORRIFIC.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. THE PROPOSED CHARTER SCHOOL COMING IN, MUCH LESS 21 HOUSES, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. BUT AGAIN, THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IN THERE AND THE GENIUS SOLUTION IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT EVEN MORE HORRIFIC, AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

WE'VE HAD A FEW RIGHT THERE, SOMEONE TOOK OUT THE FIRE HYDRANT AT THE END OF OUR STREET A FEW MONTHS AGO AND THAT WAS BAD ENOUGH. BUT ANYTHING ELSE PROPOSED COMING IN IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT EVEN BIGGER OF A HEADACHE, AS CHARLIE SAID, TRYING TO GET OUT IN THE MORNING WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GETTING DOWN THERE.

IT'S TAKEN ME FIVE LIGHT CYCLES WHEN I WAS GOING TO WORK.

AND I WOULD GO TO WORK LATE JUST TO MAKE IT UP TO THE LIGHT AT 16TH. THEN THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET ACROSS. I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT ON THE LOSS OF HABITAT AGAIN. WE'VE STATED THAT, WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. THE BIGGER THING IS TRAFFIC AND POPULATION DENSITY THAT'S GETTING OUT OF HAND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> MIKE ROBERTSON, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION REALLY QUICK? SORRY TO BOTHER YOU. MR. ROBERTSON, ARE THE CHARTER SCHOOLS GOING TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS?

>> NO. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WE ARE NOT HERE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS. WE ARE HERE JUST TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO HEAR IT AGAIN OR WHETHER IT'S GOING TO

GO TO FLUEDRA. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE A MOTION. OKAY.

>> OR YOU CAN TAKE NO MOTION. OR NO ACTION, WHICH WILL BE DEEMED A DENIAL AND WE PROCEED TO A HEARING.

>> SO IF I DON'T HEAR A MOTION THEN THAT MEANS WE ARE GOING TO

TAKE NO ACTION. >> YES.

>> OKAY. I GUESS WE WILL TAKE NO ACTION.

[4. Consider appointment to the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC).]

LET'S MOVE TO THE FINAL AGENDA ITEM ON THE CALENDAR TODAY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SHELBY ROMERO.

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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> GREAT. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE -- TO APPOINT COLONEL THOMAS TURNER TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A FIRST FULL FOUR YEAR TERM COMMENCING MAY 17TH, 2026, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE MAY 17TH OF 2030.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

LET'S VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREAT JOB.

I'M SURE SOMEBODY WILL GIVE HIM A CALL AND LET HIM KNOW THAT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS HE NEEDS TO GET BUSY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY.

[Commissioners’ Reports]

COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO REPORT IS WE'VE BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT STREET PARKING IN SILVERLEAF AND SOME DANGEROUS SITUATIONS WITH BUSSES COMING TO DROP OFF KIDS OR PICK THEM UP. IF THERE'S ANY WAY IF WE COULD MAYBE SET A MEETING WITH OUR STAFF AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.

>> YOU HAVE CONSENSUS. >> THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

>> CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING TO THAT? WE DID RECEIVE MESSAGES AS WELL REGARDING THE BIKE LANE IN SILVERLEAF. IT'S OVERGROWN, THEY'RE HAVING TO RIDE A LOT CLOSER TO WHERE THE CARS ARE.

MAYBE STAFF COULD ALSO LOOK A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THAT AS W

WELL. >> SOUNDS LIKE A PUBLIC WORKS ISSUE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER. GOOD?

>> GOOD. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I HAVE TWO THINGS.

THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT WORKED AT THE LODGE AND HE MAY NOT BE THE PRESIDENT OR THE VICE PRESIDENT, BUT HE WORKED AS A SERVER IN THE LODGE WHO WAS AN AWESOME MAN, AND HE PASSED AWAY SUDDENLY AND THE ENTIRE STAFF OF THE LODGE IS GRIEVING HIM.

HIS NAME IS SIDNEY AUSTIN. HE ALWAYS HAD THE BIGGEST SMILE AND HE WAS TOO YOUNG. JUST WANTED TO CALL ATTENTION TO HIM. IT JUST REALLY DIDN'T MAKE THE ROUNDS, BUT HE WAS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THE LAST THING I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP WHAT YOU DID AT THE LAST MEE MEETING.

WE ALL WANT HOME RULE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE OF WHAT YOU SAID.

DO YOU MIND JUST PLAYING FROM THE LAST MEETING?

>> WE ARE TRACKING ON A REGULAR BASIS HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. WE SENT A LETTER ASKING THE GOVERNOR FOR THE BILL. SOMETHING THAT IS HOT OFF THE PRESSES, JUST HAPPENED IN THE ARTICLE I GOT TODAY.

SB 686. I'M GOING TO READ AN EXCERPT FROM -- EXCERPT FROM THE ART ARTICLE.

OF LIVE LOCAL ACT INFORMED MEASURE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO CONVERT DEVELOPMENTS SURROUNDING FARMLAND INTO HOUSES OR HOUSING OR OTHER USES WHILE LIMITING HOW MUCH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN BLOCK SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. THE MEASURE RATIFIED THIS WEEK CREATES A STREAMLINED PROCESS FOR LANDOWNERS TO SEEK CERTIFICATION OF A PROPERTY AS, QUOTE, "AN AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE," DEFINED AS AN UNINCORPORATED SINGLE OWNED AGRARIAN PARCEL OF 1280 ACRES OR LESS THAT SITS INSIDE OTHERWISE DEVELOPED LAND. THAT DESIGNATION CAN OPEN THE DOOR TO DEVELOPMENT, EVEN IF LOCAL ZONING OR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS WOULD OTHERWISE PROHIBIT IT.

SO THE REASON I BRING THIS UP AGAIN, WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRACKING THESE THAT CONSTRAIN OUR ABILITY TO SAY NO.

BUT HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS IN TALLAHASSEE YEAR AFTER YEAR, A LOT OF THESE BILLS ARE FILED IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS INFRINGING ON PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

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WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

I KNOW NOBODY ON THIS BOARD WAS TRACKING SB HUNDRED 86, SO THAT'S ANOTHER HURDLE TO CLEAR WITH EVALUATING APPLICATIONS IN

THE FUTURE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO ANOTHER HURDLE. INSTEAD OF SITTING HERE DOING NOTHING AND WAITING FOR THE PREEMPTIONS EVERY SINGLE DAY, WE WANTED TO... OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE THAT, OR ONE OTHER COUNTY HAS DONE THAT.

WE NOW HAVE LIVE LOCAL IN TWO WAYS.

WE LOVE OUR AG LAND. I KNOW COMMISSIONER ARNOLD LIVES NEAR THERE, AND I KNOW GOING AROUND TO THE FARMS AND THE FARM TOURS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT ANY MORE.

WE NEED TO STAND UP TO NOT ALLOW THESE LANDS TO JUST BE TAKEN OVER BY ROOFTOPS, SOLAR PANELS, DATA CENTERS.

I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE A TASK FORCE TO TRY TO GO AFTER THEM. AND I THINK THE FIRST PART OF THAT TASK FORCE TODAY SHOULD BE TO FIRE THE FLORIDA GROUP WHO'S NOT PROVIDED US WITH ANY LOBBYING THAT WE NEED, THAT WE WANT PART. WHEN CHOOSING A, WE NEED TO WIN PASSAGE OF LEGISLATION, MODIFY REGULATIONS, ESTABLISH ALLIES TO SUPPORT PUBLIC POLICY OBJE OBJECTIVES.

YOU POINTED OUT THAT WE DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS COMING DOWN.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY A BREACH OF CONTRACT.

AS WELL AS THE PROBLEM THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP. BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO THESE CONSTITUENTS, I'M HEARING ALL THE TIME THAT A LIST OF CLIENTS IS ONLINE. SO THE CLIENTS THAT ARE LOBBYISTS THAT ARE SUPPORTING, WHICH IS THE DIRECT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANT, SUPPOSEDLY WHAT WE SAY UP HERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FIRST CORPORATION. DENNIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

THE HUDSON GROUP. THE HUDSON COMPANIES.

MATTAMY HOMES, PARK GROUP. REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT LLC.

SLEIMAN ENTERPRISES. NEXT TOWER.

NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.

IT'S JUST SAD THAT WE ARE COMPETING AGAINST THOSE PEOPLE AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT A DIFFERENT LOBBYING GROUP AND START THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN. RIGHT NOW IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER LOBBYING GROUP AS WELL AS START A TASK FORCE IMMEDIATELY. DO I HAVE ANY CONSENSUS

WHATSOEVER? >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT AS WELL. I LOOK AT IT LIKE, MY HUSBAND HAS BEEN A COACH FOR MANY YEARS. IF YOU ARE COCHING TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO BE PARTIAL.

THERE I NO WAY A COACH COULD EFFECTIVELY COACH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS. I LOOK AT THIS THE SAME WAY.

BUT I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT AND AGREE, IT'S HARD TO

REPRESENT TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS. >> THEN THEY ARE NICE PEOPLE.

I REMEMBER TALKING TO ALL THREE REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT SB 180 AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO KEEP HOME RULE.

AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU, I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER ARNOLD WAS THERE, BUT WE HAD THE DISC DISCUSSION.

SO WE ALL SEE WHAT'S COMING. AND REALLY, WE ARE RIBBON CUTTERS AT THIS POINT. WE AREN'T REPRESENTING OUR CONSTITUENTS DOING WHAT THEY REALLY WANT US TO DO.

SO CAN WE LOOK AT A NEW LOBBYING GROUP.

>> WHEN DOES THE CONTRACT COME UP?

>> IT WAS JUST APPROVED A YEAR AGO AND I THINK IT'S OVER

$100,000 OR MORE. >> DO WE KNOW WHEN THE CONTRACT

IS SET TO RENEGOTIATE? >> I DON'T HAVE THE FACTS ON THE PROVISIONS. BUT I CAN BRING THAT BACK.

>> I WOULD NOT VOTE TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER WHEN WE COME UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT OTHER FIRMS AND NOT JUST RUBBER STAMP THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A BID PROCESS AND FOR THESE FIRMS TO COME IN AND GIVE US A PITCH SO THAT WE CAN CHOOSE WHO WE THINK IS GOING TO REPRESENT

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US THE BEST. >> CHAIR, WE HAD THAT A YEAR AGO. BUT WITHIN THE LAST YEAR THAT WE HIRED THEM, ALL THIS HAS HAPPENED.

>> I HEAR YOU, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD BLAME THE FLORIDA GROUP FOR SB 180. IT'S A LOT BIGGER PICTURE THAN THAT. BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYBODY WHO DOES THAT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE CLARIFICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, OUR LOBBYING TEAM DOESN'T CREATE POLICY.

OUR STATE LEGISLATORS DO. THAT'S HOW I THINK THE PROBLEM

IS WITH. >> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I AGREE ON THAT. BUT I KIND OF FEEL THE SAME WAY.

COULD WE TAKE A LOOK AND MAYBE PICK SOME ONE ELSE WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT? AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT TO FIRE OR DISMISS WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT FIRST.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE FIRST.

I WOULD ASK CONSENSUS FOR THE LEGAL TEAM TO LOOK AND MAKE SURE OUR CONTRACTS ARE COMING UP. FAIR ENOUGH?

>> YEAH. ALSO THE TASK FORCE IDEA.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, YOU SAID THIS IS A BREACH OF CONTRACT. WHAT PART OF THE CONTRACT DID

THE FLORIDA GROUP BREACH? >> THERE'S A THING IN THIS CONTRACT ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

>> SO YOU BELIEVE THEY BREACHED THEIR CONTRACT.

>> I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT. WHEN I GOOGLE THE DIFFERENT LOBBYING GROUPS THERE WERE SO MANY OF THEM.

THE FACT THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE THAT HAS GONE OVER OUR HEAD IS ON THIS LIST AND HAS CREATED LIVE LOCAL ACT AS WELL AS GOING AFTER OUR AG LANDS IS ON THE LIST.

>> YOU ARE MAKING SOME STATEMENTS, SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR. DO YOU THINK THEY BREACHED THEIR

CONTRACT? >> I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. SHOULD WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THOSE THINGS OR NOT? YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, WHAT WAS IT, 686.

THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO TELL US WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND I DON'T HAVE A BRIEFING. I WENT TO MY OFFICE AND LOOKED UP WHERE THE REPORT WAS ON THAT, I DIDN'T SEE ONE.

AND IN THEIR CONTRACT IT SAYS THEY ARE SUPPORT SUPPOSED TO

REPORT THAT. >> BRINGING THIS UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING WITH NO HEADS UP, YOU ARE ASKING US TO MAKE A MAJOR DECISION WITH NO TIME TO CONSIDER.

YOU'VE MADE A LOT OF STATEMENTS. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEEK CLARIFICATION ABOUT YOUR STATEMENTS.

>> BUT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT, RIGHT?

>> GIVE ME A MOMENT. I'M STILL TRYING TO PROCESS THE MANY THINGS YOU SAID AND I'M SEEKING CLARIFICATION SO I CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. COMMISSIONER, YOU SAID YOU WANTED A TASK FORCE TO GO AFTER THEM.

GO AFTER WHO? >> A TASK FORCE FOR HOME RULE.

I'M NOT SAYING TO GO AFTER ANYTHING.

BUT TO START LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE HAVE ATTORNEYS, WE HAVE WAYS THAT WE CAN GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND ACTUALLY DO SOME LOBBYING FROM OUR POSITIONS. ALSO IN A BETTER WAY WITH MAYBE A NEW LOBBYIST ON A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

WE HAVE TO GET CREATIVE. IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO SAVE OUR AGRICULTURE LAND, WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE AN AG COMMITTEE.

WHY AREN'T THEY HELPING? THEY ARE NEW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE REPORTS. WE ARE NOT UP TO SPEED.

SORRY. >> I JUST LIKE TO FINISH, BECAUSE AGAIN I'M TRYING TO PROCESS THIS.

DO YOU HAVE A LOBBY FIRM IN MIND THAT YOU THINK COULD BE EFFECTIVE IN ADVOCATING FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY'S NEEDS IN TALLAHASSEE THAT WOULD HAVE NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

>> I'M NOT SURE. I DID GOOGLE OTHER COUNTIES.

THERE'S A LIST OF MANY. >> THE SOUTHERN GROUP HAS MANY CLIENTS. HERE'S MY CONCERN.

I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR ROLE AS COMMISSIONERS TO GO AND BE INFORMED AND ADVOCATE FOR OUR NEEDS. I KNOW THAT IN BACK-TO-BACK YEARS, THE FLORIDA GROUP UNDER ANOTHER NAME BROUGHT HOME $127 MILLION FOR SAINT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS." SO THAT'S 127 MILLION OVER TWO YEARS COMBINED.

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TO PUT THE BLAME WHOLLY ON THE LOBBY GROUP AS IF THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO KEEP TRACK OF EVERYTHING FOR YOU, HOW MUCH DID YOU ASK THEM, HOW MUCH DID YOU ENGAGE WITH THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES IN TALLAHASSEE? HOW MANY CONVERSATIONS DID YOU HAVE ABOUT WHAT WAS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE? WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IN YOUR MIND TO BE INFORMED ABOUT

THESE? >> CAN I ANSWER YOU? I HAVE WORKED WITH KIM CAMPBELL AND WE DID GET THE RAMP AND WORKED WITH THE MONEY FROM RUTHERFORD.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF WHAT'S IN THE CONTRACT OF THE LOBBYIST. THE LOBBYIST HAS NOT HELPED US IN THE LAST YEAR WITH HOME RULE, WHICH HAS BEEN THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. MISS ANDREWS, IS THIS ONE OF THE LARGEST LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES OR NOT? WE BROUGHT ALL OF OUR CROPS IN AND EVERYTHING.

>> ABSOLUTELY, I THINK THAT HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR TO THE STAFF AND RESIDENTS WHEN YOU DELIBERATED PRIORITIES FOR THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN.

PRESERVING AG LANDS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THE TOP

PRIORITIES. >> HOW CAN WE KEEP TRACK OF THESE BILLS, AND HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD HAVING SOME SAY IN WHAT'S HAPPENING TO EVERY SINGLE ONE ON THIS BOARD? IT'S OVER US, IT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE -- HUDSON IS ON HERE.

HE OWNS SO MANY ACRES OF OUR AG LAND.

JUST BOUGHT MOLASSES JUNCTION. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND WE ARE JUST SITTING HERE.

>> IF I MAY, CHAIR, I'M HEARING TWO THINGS.

ONE OF THEM IS THE COMPLIANCE OF THE CONTRACT, WHICH I THINK IS LESS DEBATABLE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN COMPLETELY PROVIDE WITH SOME ASSESSMENT WITH DATA.

SO IT IS NOTHING SUBJECTIVE. WE CAN LOOK AT THE PROVISION RELATED TO THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, LOOK AT THE DELIVERABLES TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY BREACH OF CONTRACT.

THE OTHER THING I THINK IS BROADER AND PROBABLY HIGHER LEVEL AND PROBABLY REQUIRES A LITTLE MORE DELIBERATION ON STAFF'S PART WITH HELP AND GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD IS, HOW CAN WE BE MORE AGILE AND PROACTIVE IN OUR WAYS TO RESPOND TO THE LEGISLATURE RELATED TO IN THIS CASE SPECIFICALLY AG LAND CONSERVATION. WE ACTUALLY FULLY STAFFED OUR DEPARTMENT OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS.

WE DO SEEK HELP FROM FLORIDA GROUP AS WELL TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF ALL THESE LEGISLATURES AND WE ARE IMPROVING OUR PROCESS AS WE LEARN FROM OUR BOARD, WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION. ONE THING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING FORWARD IN THE NEXT YEAR FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE TIMELINE AND HOW THE LEGISLATURES ARE BEING FILED AND WHEN THE HEARINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT IS A VERY LABOR INTENSIVE PROCESS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO SUCH A THING. BUT IT IS NECESSARY, AND WE ARE SEEING THE INTENSITY, SEEING HOW RAPID THOSE LEGISLATURES ARE COMING OUT AND HAVE IMPACT ON LOCAL GOVERNMENTS LIKE OURS OURSELVES. WE ARE LIKELY TO PROPOSE A PROCESS THAT WILL GIVE THE BOARD AND THE STAFF MORE CATEGORIZED AUTHORIZATION TO TAKE ACTION. ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE HERE TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT NOT A SINGLE PERSON FROM STAFF OR THE BOARD TO ACT TO PROVIDE ANY POSITION, ANY POLICIES WITHOUT YOUR LEGISLATIVE CONSENSUS AND THAT REQUIRES TIME, THAT REQUIRES DELIBERATION UNDER SUNSHINE, WHICH MAKES US LESS AGILE. A LOT OF BILLS ARE FILED VERY QUICKLY AND FRANKLY SOMETIMES IT'S NOT VERY OBVIOUS TO MANY OF US NOT IN THE FIELD OF LEGISLATURE.

SO THE REACTION TIME IS NOT OUR ADVANTAGE WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE ARE OPERATING. AND YOU HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO VOTE A POLICY POSITION AND THEN STAFF TAKE THAT POSITION TO TALLAHASSEE TO CONVEY THAT. WITH ALL THAT SAID, WE ARE CONTEMPLATING TO BRING FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO ASK FOR MORE BROAD AUTHORIZATION ON IN FOUR CATEGORIES. ONE OF THEM IS ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO ERODE HOME RULES THAT WE AS STAFF OR YOU AS

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SO WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR WAYS OF REMEDYING OUR ABILITY TO INTERFERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WILL BE, BUT AT LEAST WE ARE DOING MORE THAN WE HAVE.

I HOPE THAT HELPS. >> EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I HAVE NO REPORT. THANK YOU, CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANTED TO BRING ATTENTION TO SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN HEARING MORE ABOUT AS WELL.

BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S A MASSIVE NATIONAL PUSH BY TECH GIANTS TO BUILD ENERGY HUNGRY AI SERVER FARMS AND WE REALLY NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AND SET SOME RULES BEFORE A FORMAL PROPOSAL LANDS BEFORE US. JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, BROWARD COUNTY TOOK DECISIVE ACTION TO SHUT THE DOOR ON TAX BREAKS FOR THESE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THE SAME.

WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE TO PROTECT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

I DID WANT TO SHARE JUST SOME THINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE'S AWARE OF JUST WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THESE GIGANTIC DATA CENTERS. THEY TAKE A MASSIVE DRAIN ON LOCAL WATER SUPPLY AND WE KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH AS FAR AS THE DROUGHT THAT WE ARE IN.

BUT A LARGE SCALE FACILITY CAN CONSUME UP TO 5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER DAILY. THEY RUN VERY HOT AND THEY NEED COOLING. THAT WOULD JUST BE CATASTROPHIC TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ALSO, THE ELECTRICAL GRID STRAIN. A SINGLE MODERN AI DATA CENTER CAN DEMAND AS MUCH POWER AS 100,000 RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

JUST HUGE. THE OTHER THING TO LOOK AT IS THE NEGLIGIBLE JOB CREATION. THERE'S VERY FEW JOBS THAT ARE CREATED WITH THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THROUGH THE CHAIR, MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES.

THIS SHALL EXPLICITLY ADD HYPERSCALE AND AI DATA CENTERS TO THE LIST OF BUSINESSES INELIGIBLE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TAX EXEMPTIONS OR ABATEMENTS.

AND FURTHERMORE I'D LIKE TO DIRECT GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO REVIEW OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND RETURN THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO LIMIT THE ZONING CATEGORIES WHERE THESE FACILITIES ARE

PERMITTED TO OPERATE. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG POLICY DECISION. IT MIGHT BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT I'VE HAD NO TIME TO RESEARCH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS MOTION WITHOUT HAVING HAD TIME TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE NECESSARY TO MAKE AN IMPORTANT DECISION. IT'S NOT THAT I THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I DON'T.

YOU NEED INFORMATION TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.

YOU NEED INFORMATION IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.

>> ORDER, PLEASE. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I WOULD DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR ME TO SUPPORT THAT MOTION AS IS. BUT I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF DATA CENTERS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET MY INFORMATION CORRECT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TECHNOLOGY IS ADVANCED AND THEY USE A WHOLE LOT LESS WATER TODAY, BUT THAT'S NOT A CONSIDERABLE FACTOR FOR ME.

BUT I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE GO FOR FORWARD. LET'S VOTE.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION. GO AHEAD.

SORRY. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS OR NOT, BUT THEY'RE FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH FLORIDA AGAINST THESE DATA CENTERS, BECAUSE THEY ARE USING UP THE AG PROPERTY AND ALL THE WATER.

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MATT WILDER, HE'LL TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT.

SIMPLE AS THAT. IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST SELL ALL THE FARMLAND, BECAUSE AT THE RATE WE ARE GOING WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO GROW ANYTHING. THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> THE DATA CENTERS ARE HUGE POWER DRAWS.

MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYER HAD A DEDICATED TEAM TO START GETTING INTO -- I'M NOT GOING TO GET TOO SPECIFIC BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE IT AWAY. DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH DATA CENTERS. IF THEY ARE THAT INVOLVED WITH IT, WORKING TO THAT BIG EMP EMPLOYER, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY VILE. THERE'S DEDICATED AREAS TO HAVE THESE PLACES LIKE THAT, FINE. BUT WHEN THEY ARE SUCKING UP ALL THE AG LAND, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, WATER AND THE RESOURCES

IT WOULD BE BAD FOR THE COUNTY. >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME?

>> HELLO. THIS REMINDS ME OF JUST GETTING NOTIFIED BEFORE MEETIN, YOU CAN JUST BRING UP A $125,000 CHECK GOING OUT AGAIN. AND NOT HAVING INFORMATION ABOUT DATA CENTERS. TO COMPARE THOSE TO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT DATA CENTERS AND YOU ARE ONLY PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

THIS REMINDS ME OF A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN THERE WAS A BIG INDOOR FARMING BUILDING THEY WANTED TO DO TO GROW INDOOR VEGETABLES, OUT THERE OFF OF 2007. WHICH WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED WOULD BE DIRECTLY BESIDE THE SOLAR FARM AND THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD DRAIN THAT SOLAR FARM. TO OPERATE THAT INDOOR FACILITY.

IT GOT DENIED, UNDERSTANDABLE. YOU DON'T GET GOOD DATA.

TO SIT AND LOOK AT THIS, YES, THEY DO.

THEY MAY SAY THEY ARE CUTTING DOWN ON HOW MUCH WATER WE ARE USING FROM 5 MILLION TO MAYBE JUST 4 MILLION A DAY.

THAT'S A BIG JUMP. BUT IS THAT PRACTICAL TO BE OUT IN THE AGRICULTURAL FIELDS, IN AND AROUND THAT AREA? DATA CENTERS, GREAT. DO WE NEED THEM? MAYBE SO BECAUSE OF ALL THE DATA BEING PROCESSED EVEN IF WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT. BUT DATA CENTERS AND AGRICULTURE CAN'T BE AROUND EACH OTHER BECAUSE OF THE THREAT FROM THE DATA CENTERS ITSELF. WE LOOK AT IT, AND YES, ARE THEY BRINGING A BIG FINANCIAL TO THE COUNTY? PROBABLY NOT THAT MUCH. THEY ARE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THEY HAVE WORKING FOR THEM, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT. BUT LIKE I SAID, I COMPARE THIS TO THE OTHER ONE, JUST BY WORD OF MOUTH, $125,000 CHECK GOING

OUT. >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK. WE WENT TO A THING AT THE

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AND THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO A COUNTY, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE THEM IS THAT ONE DATA CENTER CAN BRING AS MUCH AS $200 MILLION ANNUALLY INTO THE LOCAL COUNTY.

WHICH IS HALF OF THE TAXES THAT WE BRING IN EVERY YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH MISINFORMATION.

I WANT TO GET THE FACTS FIRST. I'M NOT FOR DATA CENTERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY BRING IN A LOT OF MONEY.

THERE'S A COUPLE REASONS WHY. ONE OF THEM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO WATER AND POWER AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY WHERE WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT KIND OF POWER.

SO IT'S RIDICULOUS TO BE FUSSING ABOUT DATA CENTERS BUT I DON'T

THINK WE'LL EVER HAVE ONE. >> THANK YOU.

JUST TO RESTATE COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE MADE A GOOD MOTION, I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION YET.

I THINK SECONDLY, IF I CAME UP HERE AND SAID, I WATCH THE NEWS LAST NIGHT, AND I'M GOING TO SUGGEST A POLICY, I WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF THIS COUNTY, AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

MISS ANDREWS, TELL ME IF THIS IS A REASONABLE REQUEST IF WE CAN HAVE CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO GIVE US AN OBJECTIVE OVERVIEW OF THE PROS AND CONS OF A DATA CENTER. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN OBJECTIVE PRESENTATION ON DATA CENTERS AND THE PROS AND CONS.

>> ABSOLUTELY, WE WILL MAKE THE RESEARCH HAPPEN AND MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE ENOUGH INFORMATION. I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT REGARDLESS OF THE RESULT, THE IMPACT IS TO BE CONSIDERED.

YOU AS A LEGISLATIVE BOARD HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO PASS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE WHICH GIVES YOU THE MOST DISCRETION ON WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE YOU'RE PROVIDING. SO YOU DIDN'T LOSE ANY ABILITY TO REGULATE BY NOT PROVIDING AN INCENTIVE TO A DATA CENTER.

AND SECONDLY, YOU HAVE A VERY ROBUST LAND USE REGULATION.

I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU THAT YOU HAVE A REGULATION IN PLACE. I THINK THE COMMISSIONER'S SUGGESTION FOR CONSENSUS FOR RESEARCH MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND IMPACTFUL. I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. BUT IT MAY BE VERY PROACTIVE FOR YOUR DECISION IN THE FUTURE TO DECIDE IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD.

>> CAN WE HAVE CONSENSUS JUST TO HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND HELP INFORM US IF WE WERE HERE FOR THE APPLICATION.

>> THE VOTE WAS 3-2 AGAINST. I WOULD GIVE CONSENSUS TO DO BASICALLY THE SAME THING WITHOUT TAKING ACTION.

>> YES. >> ABSOLUTELY.

[County Administrator’s Report]

YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR. >> I HAVE NO REPORTS.

MISS ANDREWS. >> THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE ON THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR ANNUAL BUDGET SESSIONS FROM MAY 11TH THROUGH MAY 20TH. THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR WE ARE GOING TO CONDUCT MEETINGS3 UPSTAIRS, IN A VERY SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM." FIRST COME FIRST SERVED.

AND I WILL SAY THIS IS PROBABLY INTERNALLY AS STAFF THE MOST IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS WE WILL HAVE ALL YEAR LONG.

THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, DEPARTMENTS REQUESTS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY THINK THEY WANT TO RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF LEVEL OF SERVICES, THE LEVEL OF RESOURCES. EVERY DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO PRESENT A BUDGET REQUEST AND THIS YEAR WE ARE GOING TO ADD TWO SESSIONS. ONE OF THEM IS TO GO OVER ALL OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND DELIBERATE AND DELIVER A TEAM. AND SECONDARILY, WE ARE ADDING ANOTHER SESSION TO GO OVER ALL THE NEW EMPLOYEE REQUESTS, FTE REQUESTS, SO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO BE THERE OR ANYBODY WHO WANTS

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[County Attorney’s Report]

>> MR. CHAIR, ONE HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE.

KNOW WHO WAS GOING TO BE ON THE CANVASING BOARD, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND WHO THE ALTERNATE WOULD BE.

WE DO THAT IN THIS MEETING SO YOU CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER IN CASE SOMEBODY ISN'T GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.

>> I THINK WE ONLY HAVE TWO AVAILABLE.

I'LL BE ON THE CANVASING BOARD AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST CAN BE THE ALTERNATE. SOUND GOOD?

>> I WILL SEND A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR OFFERING YOUR SERVICES.

APPRECIATED. IS THAT IT? WE STAND

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