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>>> DECEMBER 9, DECEMBER 9, 2019 SPECIAL MEETING AT THE SAME JONES COUNTY ORDER OF
[Motion by the Chair]
COMMISSIONERS. LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER TO PARTICIPATE IN VOTING IN THE SPECIAL MEETING DUE TO SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE AND FOR OTHER -- "COMMISSIONERS MUST BE PRESENT AND CAST THEIR OWN VOTE AS INCLUDING TELEPHONIC ATTENDED BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. CAN I HAVE A SECOND?>> HOLD ON. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD?
>> OKAY. MR. SHARE, IT WILL BE FOR COMMISSIONERS THAT WILL BE VOTING ON THAT, THAT ARE THE FOUR THAT ARE IN THE AUDITORIUM TODAY.
SHOULD THE BOARD APPROVE THIS MOTION THAN COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND VOTE BY PHONE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING.
THIS PROCEDURE IS AUTHORIZED THROUGH OPINION BEFORE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
ALSO MS. ROSS AND I SPOKE ON THE PHONE LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE AND THIS LITTLE PROCEDURE HERE AS WE HAVE PROVIDED HAS RESULTED FROM THE CONVERSATION.
I WOULD RECOMMEND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MOTION AND IT'S ONLY ON THIS MOTION FOR THE TELEPHONICALLY -- THERE WILL BE A GENERAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANY MATTER NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE COMES UP, AT SOME POINT BEFORE THE VOTE, IT WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THEM. THANK YOU, MR. SHARE.
>> COMMISSIONER IF YOU WOULD OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> AT THIS TIME WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
>>CHAIR: JUSTICE ITEM. >> THIS ITEM, THIS MOTION TO ENGAGE COMMISSIONER WALKER TELEPHONICALLY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON JUST THIS MOTION?
>> YES, SIR. X AND JUST ON THIS MOTION I ASKED THE COMMISSION DEVOTED.
>> THIS IS WAY TOO SERIOUS OF A MATTER TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE TELEPHONE.
THE PERSON ON THE TELEPHONE, WHO I GOT A THOUSAND PERCENT RESPECT FOR IS A MILITARY MAN, AN OFFICER OF THE COURT AND A SWORN ELECTED OFFICIAL. THERE IS NO NEED FOR HIM TO BE ON THE PHONE. MR. BLOCKER NEEDS TO BE SITTING IN THIS ROOM AND LOOKING AT ALL OF US. WE ARE IN THIS POSITION BECAUSE OF EMOTIONS MADE BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. IT IS ONLY FAIR THAT WE, OR THE PUBLIC GET TO SEE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HIS VOICE ON THE PHONE.
I'M VERY DOUBTFUL OF THE CONDITION HE IS IN RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I REALLY AM. HE'S A MILITARY MAN. DOES HE HAVE -- I'M NOT RAISING THAT ISSUE OF HIS MENTAL STABILITY, BUT I RESTRICT YOU IN AN EMAIL.
THE MAN COMES IN, MAKES A MOTION, NOW HE WANTS TO BE ON THE TELEPHONE.
COME ON, GENTLEMEN. TIME FOR COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, HIMSELF TO ASK YOU NOT TO VOTE FOR THIS. TIME FOR COMMISSIONER BLOCKER TO ASK YOU TO CONTINUE THIS AND COME AND SIT IN THE CHAIR WHERE HE IS ELECTED OFFICIAL. HE IS A MILITARY MAN.
COMMISSIONER BLOCKER TOOK AN OATH TO OBEY THE LAW ON HIS LAST JOB AND PROSECUTE PEOPLE.
COMMISSIONER BLOCKER DID NOT ELECT PEOPLE DO NOT COME TO COURT.
HE HAS SOME COME TO COURT. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER IS ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY MADE THE PEOPLE FACE THE JUDGE.
WELL TODAY, I'M ONE OF THOSE JUDGES. AND THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING IS FOR YOU FOR TO VOTE NO. I'M ASKING FOR COMMISSIONER BLOCKER TO PULL THIS.
WE HAVE TWO INCREDIBLY HIGHLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO RUN THIS COUNTY.
THEY WERE TRAINED BY THE BEST. YEAH. WE DON'T NEED ANYBODY TO STEP IN NOW AND IF WE REALLY DO, I WANT TO LOOK AT THEM. I WANT TO LOOK AT THE MAN WHO
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MADE THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER JERRY MINOR E BLOCKER AN OFFICER OF THE COURT, A MILITARY MAN WHO, AFTER HE HEARD COUNTY ATTORNEY FRANCIS CITE THE LAW HE KNOW TIMEOUT.SAY AGAIN, COUNTY ATTORNEY? THIS ACTION STOPS. SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO NO NOTICE? WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO THROWING A MAN TO THE EMBARRASSMENT OFF -- AND NOW COMMISSIONER BLOCKER DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE.
I AGREE WITH MR. REYNOLDS ON WHAT HE SAID. THE CHAIR IS RIGHT IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS RIGHT. AND I URGED THE ADOPTION OF THE MOTION.
THANK YOU. >> DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE OPENING MOTION TO ALLOW TELEPHONIC FOR COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?
>> I DON'T SEE ANY. >> WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL OF THE VOTES TODAY WILL BE FUN -- 10 VOICE VOTES. I'LL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES.
[Call to Order (Part 2 of 2)]
(CALL OF THE ROLL.). >>CHAIR: THANK YOU VERY MUCH IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND I WOULD ASK JON STEWART AS INDICATION DEAR LORD, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE IN A COUNTRY WHERE WE CAN EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS AND COME BEFORE YOU INTO WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS. PLEASE GUIDE OUR MINDS AS WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY. HELP US TO BE HUMBLE SERVANTS OF YOU IN THIS COMMUNITY WE PRAISE YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ENABLE US TO DO.
AMEN. >> PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>>CHAIR: THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. THE COMMISSIONER WILL OPEN UP
[Public Comment]
FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN COMMENT PERIOD.
ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME BEFORE THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINISTRIES BEGIN TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD RULES OF FORM. COMMENTS MAY NOT BUT A DEMAND FOR THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OF THE BOARD.
NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WAS PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.
MEMBERS OF THE AUDIT SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF EITHER APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.
FINALLY, ASSET ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THE MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA?
>> TOM REYNOLDS. I'M GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THE PARAGRAPH COMMISSIONERS, IT'S 2019.
THE COUNTY IS GROWING. IF YOU LOOK AT FEDERAL CENSUS OR THE STATE CENSUS, WE ARE GOING FROM 250 TO 500,000+ THE INFLUX DAILY, THE HOTELS, SIX, SEVEN, 10 PEOPLE IN ONE OR TWO BEDROOM AIRBNB WHICH IS OKAY BY ME BECAUSE THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY.
BUT COMMISSIONERS, IT'S TIME TO STOP ALLOWING ALCOHOL AT THE COUNTY PEER PERIOD.
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PEOPLE SAY WELL IT'S BEACH TIM .>> WILL THEY CAN'T OF ALCOHOL UNLESS YOU ARE TAKING AND SIGNING OFF ON EACH.
THE COUNTY IS GROWING. SOMETIMES YOU GO A LONG TIME LUCKY NOTHING EVER BAD HAPPENS.
BUT I THINK YOU KNOW WHEN HIGHLY OFFENDED WHEN AN EVENT IS LABELED A FAMILY EVENT AND ALCOHOL IS FLOWING.
NOW, TO DOUBLE THE INSULT TO ME, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A LOT OF RESPECT FOR VETERANS.
BUT I THINK THE VIETNAM VETERANS WERE REALLY MISTREATED.
THEY HAD A LOT OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE, ALCOHOL ABUSE AFTER -- CAUSED BY THE MISTREATMENT OF THAT. SO DOWN AT THE COUNTY GEAR WE ARE THE BOSSES OF WHERE THE AMBULANCE OWNS IT. THE CITY OF BOOK SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACHES ISSUED A PERMIT TO THE VIETNAM VETERANS TO SELL ALCOHOL. NOW, DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER FOR ME I'M NOT SOMEONE TO TALK BEHIND SOMEONE'S BACK. SO I HAD TO LET THEM KNOW THAT IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME.
BUT ANYWAYS, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE 2019 THE LAST YEAR FOR ALCOHOL AT THE PIER? I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL BEING A ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPUBLICAN VALUE, BUT FAMILY AND ALCOHOL DOESN'T REALLY GO TOGETHER. AND HAVING A FAMILY FUN EVENT -- UNTIL I MOVED HERE, IT ALWAYS MEANT ALCOHOL FREE. NOW YOU'RE THE BOSSES.
PLEASE MAKE 2019 THE LAST YEAR OF ALCOHOL AT A FAMILY FUN EVENT.
THANK YOU. >> HE RAISES A GOOD POINT.
(AWAY FROM MIC) I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU FOR FILING -- FIRING THE -- WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES THIS MORNING, WHAT'S NEXT? AND HOW MANY CURRENT CONTRACTS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WITH EMPLOYEES COUNT -- CONSTITUTE -- HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HIRED IN THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WITH NO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION? HOW MANY ARE HIRED WITHOUT POSTING THE JOB OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY? HOW MANY ARE POSTED WITHOUT ANY ADVERTISING? HOW MANY ARE HIRED WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE EEO? HOW MANY ARE HIRED WITHOUT GETTING THERE SCHOOL TRANSCRIPTS? HOW MANY TIMES TO A HIGHER PEOPLE FOR POSITIOS WITHOUT CONSIDERING A SINGLE WOMAN OR A SINGLE NUMBER OF MINORITY GROUP PROTECTED BY LAW? NOW THE PERSON YOU'RE CONSIDERING HIRING -- I HOPE YOU WITHDRAW ITEM 1, BUT THE PERSON YOU ARE CONSIDERING HIRING HAS SHOWN BAD JUDGMENT. IN FACT, USE THE COUNTY --
>> MR. SHARE. STOP THE CLOCK. HE'S GOING TO INTERRUPT ME.
PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK. >> I BELIEVE THIS PORTION IS
>> FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. I JUST WANTED TO REFRESH
EVERYBODY'S MEMORY. >> WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES, HE SHOULD NOT INTERRUPT. HE'S TAKING A POSITION ADVERSE TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AS HE USUALLY DOES.
AT ANY RATE, THE APRIL 12, 2018 LETTER ON COUNTY CLERKS OF COURT ON THE COMPTROLLER LETTERHEAD TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA CONCERNING THE LATE WILLIAM CARRACK.
IN THAT LETTER, THE CLERK OF COURTS MADE CERTAIN STATEMENTS THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DONE ON COUNTY LETTERHEAD. THIS WAS POLITICS. ANY USE THE COUNTY LETTERHEAD FOR POLITICKING.
THAT SHOWS BAD JUDGMENT. AND THAT MAKES ME WONDER WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT PERSON
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BEFORE ANYONE ELSE IN THE COUNTY TO BE CONSIDERED WITHOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK? WITHOUT ADVERTISING? WITHOUT POSTING? THIS IS A REPUBLICAN POLITICAL PARTISAN AND NOTWITHSTANDING THE LOVELY LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT THAT I SAID A COUPLE MINUTES AGO, ABOUT HOW THE PERSON OCCUPYING THIS JOB IS GOING TO BE NONPARTISAN, IF YOU PROCEED TO ITEM 1, IF YOU ACTUALLY TAKE THAT UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT CONTRACT, YOU ARE FIXING TO DO SOMETHING VERY PARTISAN IN CREATING CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.IN THE CURRENT -- CONCERN I HAVE IN MATTHEW AND ALL THE SUPREME COURT ON CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, A PERSON CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS. PARTICULARLY, WHERE HIS OWN SELF INTEREST IS CONCERNED.
IN HERE WHAT WE ARE FIXING TO DO -- I HOPE YOU DON'T DO A -- IS TO SAY THAT A PERSON WAS
ELECTED, AS A REPUBLICAN, -- >> YOU ARE EXCEEDING YOUR TIME.
>> I MESSED UP THE CLOCK. BUT I'VE BEEN WATCHING ON MY SECONDHAND AND THAT'S A MINUTE
AND HALF THAT WOULD REMAIN. >> OKAY.
>> AT THREE MINUTES. YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM.
>> THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. I APPRECIATE YOU. I'LL BE BACK.
>> I THINK THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC,
>> I HAVE -- WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO
[Special Agenda]
THE SPECIAL AGENDA? COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?ALL RIGHT. SING ON I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SECOND BIKE COMMISSIONER WALDEN.
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>> THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW INTO OUR SPECIAL AGENDA ITEM, THE REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION OF DRAFT EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT FOR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK IF MR. CONRAD WOULD COME FORWARD AND THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS AFTERNOON. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO EVERYBODY AND EXPLAIN HOW YOU ENDED UP IN THIS POSITION?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR HAVING ME THIS AFTERNOON.
IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT, I USUALLY DO NOT PREPARE WRITTEN REMARKS BUT I THINK TODAY TO PROVIDE CLARITY AND TRY TO BE BRIEF AS WELL PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO READ SOMETHING TO YOU THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. SHERMAN AND PROVIDE CLARITY.
FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU IN THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE GET INTO THE SUBSTANTIVE PORTION TODAY.
I USUALLY DON'T PREPARE WRITTEN REMARKS BUT AS I TOLD YOU IN ORDER TO REMAIN BRIEF AND GIVE CLARITY TO THE SITUATION I HAVE REMARKS TODAY.
A SHORT TIME AGO, I WAS ASKED IF THERE WAS A CHANGING OF GUARD AT THE CURRENT POSITION, WHERE I'D BE WILLING TO COME IN AND SERVE AS YOUR COUNTY MINISTRY ARE? ON AN INTERIM BASIS.
MY INITIAL REACTION WAS WHAT WOULD I DO THAT? I WORK AT THE GREATEST OFFICE IN THE STATE. I'M A LITTLE BIASED THERE. I LOVE THE PEOPLE I SERVE ALONGSIDE, I LOVE THEIR FAMILIES. I LOVE THE WORK WE DO AS A TEAM IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN SO FORTUNATE TO SERVE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
HOW COULD I POSSIBLY STEP AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE I LOVE AND THE COMMUNITY UNABLE TO SERVE EVEN FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME? THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS NONMEDIA AND I BE LYING TO IF I TOLD YOU IT IS NOT BEEN AN EMOTIONAL PROCESS. I'M SEEKING CLARITY ND PRAYING FOR WHAT THE ANSWER SHOULD BE.
BUT AS EACH OF YOU KNOW, THE LIFE OF PUBLIC SERVICE IS NEVER ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ALL SERVE. WHEN THE FIVE OF YOU COLLECTIVELY AND UNANIMOUSLY ASKED ME TO SERVE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, I FELT A CALLING TO HELP MY COMMUNITY AND MY HOME AS WE ALL TRANSITION INTO NEW LEADERSHIP AND DIRECTION IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
I AM HUMBLED BEYOND WORDS THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE PLACED YOUR TRUST IN ME TO HELP FACILITATE THIS TRANSITION AND HONORED BY THE OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT AND KINDNESS SHOWN TO ME BY MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AS I STAND BEFORE YOU NOW, AND ASSUMING THE MEETING GOES WELL, WHAT EACH OF YOU AND THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY DO KNOW THIS: I'M DEVOTED TO HELPING YOU THROUGH THIS TRANSITION AND GIVING 110 PERCENT TO LEAD US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I LOOK FORWARD TO MY RETURN TO THE GREATEST OFFICE IN THE STATE.
I AM CURRENTLY READY AND PREPARED TO PROCEED SERVING IN A NEW CAPACITY AS YOUR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU MR. CONRAD. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
>> MR. CONRAD, HAVE YOU BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE REDLINE POSITION.
>> I HAVE. >> HAVE YOU REVIEWED THERE ONLY
IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU. >> AS I HAVE SEEN IT TODAY YES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT WE WILL DO NOW IS WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AND THEN COMMISSIONER DEAN.
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>> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1 IF YOU WILL PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD.
>> FULL NAME THOMAS FRANCIS REYNOLDS. SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA.
>> ISU COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE NO. AND I ASK YOU TO VOTE ON THE FULL PROCESS. TODAY'S PROCESS -- DID YOU OPEN IT UP? TRULY, HOW MANY ACTUALLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE DID YOU INTERVIEW? DID YOU INTERVIEW ANY OF THE 10 THAT I GAVE YOU? WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE -- YOU WERE WRONG WHEN YOU BROKE THE LAW AND DID NOT NOTICE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO THE WOLVES OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
SYLVAN SKI GETTING A PARENT SAYING HE'S FIRED. AND NOW, NO WOMEN ARE INTERVIEWED. AND ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME -- TELL ME SOMETHING, HOW COULD MS. ANDREWS -- OR MS. GERALD -- MR. DARRELL NOT BE THE BEST FOR THAT JOB.
>> WE NEED TO RUSH AND PUT A GUY IN TO A JOB THAT ÃDID HE MASTER THAT OVER THERE HOW BUT WHEN HE WENT TO THE CANADIAN COMPANY MADE A PURCHASE AND SPIT ON AMERICA'S FLAG.
HE IS SO PROUD TO SERVE THE CLERK OF COURT THAT HE USED THAT YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHO WE USED TO LEAD HEAD FOR, RIGHT CORE RACK MOUNT COURIC HAS PAID FOR HIS SINS BY HIS DEATH.
BUT HUNTER CONRAD, USE THE CLERK OF COURTS LETTERHEAD TO SAY HE'S A WONDERFUL FELLOW.
THE MORE -- THE MAN COMMITTED MORE COLONIES IN THE AVERAGE MONTH AND HALF THE GANG BANGERS HERE. SELLING ALCOHOL ON CHURCH PROPERTY -- THERE SOME AWESOMENESS. DONE FOR YEARS.
SELLING ALCOHOL AT THE ARMORY -- GOING IN AND BUYING ALCOHOL AND SELLING DRINKS, NOT PAYING ANY TAXES, THAT IS AWESOME! IN THE CRIMINAL WORLD. THAT'S WHO MR. CONRAD DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO USE HIS OFFICE LETTERHEAD TO ENDORSE.
BESIDES ALL THE THING ABOUT THE YOUNG LADY THAT WANTS TO USE THE MEN'S ROOM AND ALL THAT, COURIC HAD TO THROW HIMSELF IN THEIR AND ALL THEM OTHER THINGS THE END HUNTER CONRAD, -- HIS CHARACTER IS F. PROVEN FAILED.
ALL THOSE WOMEN ARE WAY MORE QUALIFIED AND HAVE BEEN IN GOVERNMENT A LONG TIME.
ELLIS, YOU ARE PICKING THE WRONG GUY IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY.
NEXT? >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IF YOU'D COME ON UP AND STAYED AT THE MICROPHONE. GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. A BRIEF INTRODUCTION. ON THE CURRENT VICE CHAIR FOR THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WE HAD A MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.
ALSO THE PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER OF VESTED METALS INTERNATIONAL. I'M A SMALL BUSINESS HERE AND WE ARE IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE WERE INDUCTED AS A SMALL BUSINESS OF THE YEAR.
I WANT TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO SAY THAT HUNTER CONRAD'S CHARACTER IS A PLUS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS SAID HERE THIS AFTERNOON. AS FAR AS INTEGRITY AND SOMEONE WHO IS TRUSTWORTHY. ON THAT LEVEL, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS I KNOW HUNTER.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SPOKEN AND THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HEAR THAT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATIO . THANK YOU.
RECHECK THIS CONTRACT. IT IS NOT PROTECT THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THERE WAS NO BACKGROUND CHECK, THERE WAS NO OPENING TO ANYONE ELSE TO APPL .
IT'S DE FACTO AND IT STINKS ON ICE. HE'S GOING TO GO BACK TO BECOM , EVENTUALLY, THE CLERK OF COURTS. AND THEN HE WILL HAVE EVERY
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DECISION THAT HE MADE AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.THAT NEGATES THE FUNCTION OF THE CLERK OF COURTS AS A CHECK AND A BALANCE ON THE POWER OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. YOU HAVE A $700 MILLION A YEAR BUDGET HERE. $1 BILLION HERE OR THERE AND PRETTY SOON YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REAL MONEY.
HUNTER CONRAD HAS NOT BEEN A JUST STEWARD AND HE HAS BEEN ABLE CHARACTER AS CLERK OF COURTS WERE CONCERNED SHARE SURE AND HIS EMBEZZLEMENT. $702,777 EMBEZZLEMENT.
AND WE DO NOT GET ANYTHING FROM THE CLERK OF COURTS IN A COHERENT WAY? HE HAD BAD JUDGMENT ON HIS APRIL 12, 2010 LETTER. MR. COURIC WAS CREDIBLY ACCUSED OF -- IN PUBLIC. THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN COUNTY CHAIR AND MR. CONRAD USED LETTERHEAD TO GIVE HIM A GLOWING ENDORSEMENT. IT'S JUST WRONG.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. COURIC WAS FOUND GUILTY OF AND CASHIERED OUT THE JOB BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA WAS INSERTING HIMSELF, INSERTING THE COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY IN A FEDERAL COURT MATTER THROUGH ADAMS VERSUS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.
I NOTICE IN YOUR CONTRACTOR, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENT THAT MR. CONRAD NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST EMPLOYEES ON THE BASIS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
CAN WE PLEASE ADD THAT IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PROTECTING THE PUBLIC INTEREST? ALSO, WHAT POSSIBLE WAY CAN YOU PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST YOU ARE CREATING BY THIS REVOLVING DOOR ARRANGEMENT WITH HUNTER CONRAD? IF, YOU REALLY INTEND TO GO BACK TO THE CLERK OF COURTS OFFICE, IF THIS IS NOT JUST A PRESELECTION AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO GIVEN THE WAY THEY DID BEN ADAMS A FEW YEARS AGO, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY DO THAT? IT'S WRONG. IT DOES NOT PASS THE LAUGH TEST.
IT DOES NOT PASS THE SMELL TEST. YOU DID NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW. A TITLE VI COMPLAINT, IF WE HAVE TO FILE ONE, YOU WERE GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED FOR DOING THIS.
THE INSPECTORS GENERAL OF THE AGENCIES I GIVE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY MONDAY -- MONEY OR TO HAVE TO INVESTIGATE. WERE GOING TO SEE DID NOT CONSIDER WOMEN OR AFRICAN-AMERICANS. YOU DID NOT OPEN UP TO ANYBODY ELSE BUT DAVID SHORES GOOD OLD BOY, CLERK OF COURTS, 30 YEARS OLD, DUPED INTO THIS JOB WHY? BECAUSE WE LIKE THEM.
BECAUSE WE LIKE TO GO TO BASEBALL GAMES WITH THEM? BECAUSE HE DOES WHAT WE WANT? THIS IS WRONG.
DROP THE OYSTER LEAD THE WORK AS MY GRANDMOTHER WOULD SAY.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
VICTOR RAMOSE, 458 HAVE RUN. >> I CAME TO SUPPORT YOU IN THIS PROCESS THAT YOU'VE INITIATED. I'M GLAD I DID.
I WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF MR. HUNTER CONRAD. I'M GLA I AM HEREAFTER HEARD THE FIRST COUPLE OF SPEAKERS. HE IS A FINE, OUTSTANDING SUCCESSFUL INTELLIGENT PERSON.
HE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB WITH THE CLERK OF COURTS. HE CAME IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION. HIS TURN THE SITUATION AROUND HE'S RESPECTED.
HE'S EXTREMELY MOTIVATED. HE'S A FINE YOUNG MAN I THINK YOU COULD NOT DO ANY BETTER FOR AN INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THANK YOU.
>> SINGH THEN WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> I ASKED FOR FORMAL PRESENTATION TODAY. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS DELVE INTO A DISCUSSION IN REGARD TO THIS CONTRACT.
I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, A BASIC OVERVIEW.
I THINK SOME AREAS OF CONTENTION THAT I ASKED YOU TO LOOK AT THAT WAS CONCERN WOULD BE THAT OF CANDIDACY AND COMPOSITION.
IF WE COULD START WITH THE CANDIDACY ISSUE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ON PAGE -- PAGE 5, WHICH WOULD BE 10 C. IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT LIKE TO HAVE THE ME AT THIS POINT. ANYBODY?
>>. >> ON PAGE 5, 10 C. THAT PROPOSAL, I, AT THIS TIME WOULD NOT SUPPORT. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE
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FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS I WANT TO SUGGEST.BUT I WOULD NOT INCLUDE DEPOSITION IN THE CONTRACT.
>> HE WOULD RECOMMEND THE REMOVAL OF TENANCY?
>> YES. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER ASKED MR. CHAIRMAN I DO NOT HAVE ANY
COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. >> VERY GOOD.
THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE ON THIS IS MOVING FORWARD IF THERE IS A SET DATE THAT HE COULD START THE CAMPAIGN. WE HAD THAT THE CONTRACT -- I HAD MY NOTES PROBABLY THE END OF MARCH AT THAT TIME HE COULD START THE CAMPAIGN WHETHER MR. CONRAD WANTS -- OR NOT.
WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE 60 OR 90 DAYS BUT I -- THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT
WERE MAKING AMENDS. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER JOHNS?
>> THANK YOU MR. SHARE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. CONRAD REQUESTED THIS PARAGRAPH IS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE'S UNDERSTANDING.
>> I LIKE THE -- MR. CONRAD, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
>> I'LL ASK MR. CONRAD IF HE WOULD EXPLAIN HOW HE WOULD BE ABLE TO BALANCE SERVING THE COMMUNITY AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHILE PERFORMING OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES OR ANY OTHER SERVICES. OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION DIRECTLY, COMMISSIONER JOHNS, I ASKED FOR THE PROVISION. IT IS MY INTENT TO REFILE AND RUN.
KNOWING THAT WHEN THE BOARD ASKED ME IF I WOULD COME, THAT WAS IN MY CALCULATION AND MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
TWO POINTS ON COMMISSIONER DEAN ON THE COMMENTS RELATED TO SUBSECTION C, I DO NOT THINK I WOULD BE OPPOSED CERTAINLY IF I'M YOUR SELECTION -- ALL DRESS YOURS AS WELL COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
OF COURSE ALL COMPLY WITH ALL LAWS PERTAINING TO POLITICAL AND CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO STILL LEAVING THEIR SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE LAWS AND RULES AND ACTIVITY PROHIBITED.
AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING THE TERMS AND ASKING THE BOARD TO WAIVE THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND THE PERSONAL POLICIES, WHICH I DO THINK IS -- IS MANAGEABLE AND DONE EASILY.
I DO WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN ME. AND SO, THAT PROVISION CAN COME OUT.
I'M PERMITTED TO GO 110 PERCENT THE DAY THEY SIGNED THIS AGREEMENT OR WHEN IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE, SHOULD THAT HAPPEN TODAY, TO FULFILL MY RESPONSIBILITIES TO YOU AND THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE EMPLOYEES AT THE COUNTY OFFICE.
THAT WILL NOT BE A POINT OF CONFLICT, COMMISSIONER, FOR ME.
AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT TO PICK A DATE COMMISSIONER WALDRON, 90 DAYS OUT OR WHATEVER THAT TIME PERIOD MAY BE, I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO EACH OF YOU ALL.
IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO, CERTAINLY, IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER DATE. I CAN TELL YOU FROM WHERE I STAND, THE NEXT 30, 60, 90 DAYS I WILL BE IN ALL THE WAY COMMITTED TO DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE ALL ADEQUATELY REPRESENTED IN THE COMMUNITY IS WELL SERVED. THAT WILL NOT BE A POINT OF CONTENTION FOR ME.
THE LAST THREE LINES OF THE SECOND SENTENCE WERE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONTRACT.
THANK YOU. >> MR. JOHNSON, DOES THAT
>> IF YOU COULD STAMP YOUR, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
>> COMMISSIONR DEAN? >> THE FIRST SENTENCE AND 10 C ISN'T UNNECESSARY. WE WOULD CERTAINLY EXPECT AN EMPLOYEE TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS RELATING TO POLITICAL AND CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES.
I MEAN, I -- I PERSONALLY MYSELF WOULD DO THAT. SO I WOULD -- I STAND BY MY SUGGESTION THAT WE ELIMINATE C AND I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE IN HUNTER CONRAD THAT HE IS GOING TO DO THAT AS AN OFFICER OF THE COURT AND JUST A GOOD -- ALL AROUND GOOD GUY AND COMPLY WITH
ANY APPLICABLE LAWS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
>> WE WILL WAIVE OUR RULES AND THOUGHTS.
>> WE WOULD ELIMINATE HE'S NOT WAIVE OUR POLICY. THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION.
>> COMMISSIONER BACHMAN DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO AD .
>> AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO ASK THAT BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO FEEL LIKE YOU LEFT OUT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
AT THIS POINT -- THANK YOU, SIR.
>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, THAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THESE AS WE GO. I WOULD TAKE THAT AS A MOTION TO REMOVE COMMISSIONER DEAN.
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>> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE HIM.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE AN IMPEDIMENT ALONG THE WAY. IF YOU LIKE TO MOVE THAT THAT IS BEING AMENDED, WE CAN DEAL WITH IT OR WE CAN DEAL WITH IT NOW IF YOU LIKE.
I'D LIKE TO AMEND AS WE GO. >> OKAY.
WELL I WILL MOVE TO DELETE ITEM 10 C ON PAGE 5, I BELIEVE IT IS.
OF THE PROPOSED CONTRACT, RELEASE THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
>> AND THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER -- I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.
DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTION IS KEY.
>> ALL IN FAVOR. >> MR. SHARE, TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE IS -- I THINK WERE WAS LEFT WITH MR. CONRAD, WAS THAT HE WAS WILLING TO SORT OF DELETE THE LAST THREE LINES BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE FIRST LINE. IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS IF THE BOARD VERIFY THAT WITH MR. CONRAD.
>> WELL MY MOTION IS TO DELETE THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH.
>> IT'S NOT INJURY -- THAT'S IT BUT MR.
>> I THINK THIS BOARD IS AN ADEQUATE CONVERSATION. I UNDERSTOOD WITH THE REQUEST WAS. I CONCUR WITH IT. I THINK THE MOTION -- IT WOULD CONCUR WITH IT AS WELL. LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH ABOUT ALL IN FAVOR?
>> I'M SORRY. IF THE BOARD IS GOING TO DO A SUBSTANTIVE VOTE ON EACH THING, AND AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION I WOULD RECOMMEND A PUBLIC COMMENT ON EACH MOTION.
>> WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. MR. THOMAS, JEFF ANY QUESTIONS?
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND COMMISSIONER WALDRON?
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT THROUGH THE CHAIR IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD.
>> IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING, TELL US.
>> IS. >> THAT WAY WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
>> SF. >> I ONLY CONDITION WOULD BE WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER AT TIMES APPROPRIATE I WOULD GIVE THE BOARD PLENTY NOTICE BUT FOR NOW THERE ARE REMOVING THE LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS AS WELL FOR CLARITY IS NOT AN ISSUE.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS YOUR MOTION BUT THERE'S NO -- THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH ME.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MOTION? WE ELIMINATE ITEM 10 C IN THE PROPOSED CONTRACT.
>> MR. DEAN, I THINK 10 C SHOULD BE KEPT IN THERE AT LEAST FOUR SENTENCE.
AN EMPLOYEE SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS RELATING TO POLITICAL AND CAMPAIGN ISSUES.
WE EXPECT EVERYONE TO DO THAT BUT THAT'S IN EVERY GOVERNMENT CONTRACT FROM HERE TO WASHINGTON TO TALLAHASSEE. I DO KNOW NO WAY WOULD WANT TO DELETE THE PERSON IT'S I AGREE WITH MR. CONRAD THE WAIVER Ã YOU DON'T NEED THE WAIVER. SO COULD WE HAVE A SPLIT VOTE ON THIS AND QUICKLY COMPROMISE AND SAY AS MR. CONRAD AND I WOULD SAY KEEP THE FIRST SENTENCE BUT TAKE AWAY THE WAIVER FINANCE -- COMMISSIONER DEAN, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU'RE DRIVING AT YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE WAIVER?
>> I DO WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE WAIVER I PERSONALLY DO NOT FEEL THAT THE FIRST SENTENCE IS NEEDED. BUT YOU AND I, FROM TIME TO TIME DISAGREE, NOT A LOT.
>> NOT A LOT. >> :THINKING IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE WE OUGHT TO KEEP THE FIRST SENTENCE BECAUSE EVERY GIRL I'VE EVER SEEN SINCE I WENT TO THE TENNESSEE VALLEY AUTHORITY SINCE 1978 TIME ERA, EVERY GOVERNMENT CONTRACT EVERY EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT REQUIRES A BENEFICIARY OF THE CONTRACT TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE FIRST SENTENCE.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> EMAIL WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
BACK TO THE BOARD WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECONDED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE 10 C. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT LET'S LONG IF YOU WOULD. WE CAN WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THE CONTRACT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY LIKE TO DISCUSS ON PAGE 1? PAGE 2? I HAVE AN ISSUE OR A SUGGESTION ON PAGE 2.
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>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ON PAGE 2, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND I NEED HELP HERE IN HUNTER, I WOULD LIKE YOUR PARTICIPATION, TOO.
I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP AT THE END AFTER I BROUGHT UP FOR OTHER ITEMS BUT UNDER SEVERANCE PAY WHICH IS THE LAST THING I THINK ABOUT IN A CONTRACT, IS HERE ON THE SECOND PAGE INSTEAD OF THE FIFTH AND THAT I -- IF FOR SOME REASON MR. CONRAD IS TERMINATED FOR -- WITHOUT CAUSE -- THAT I THINK -- AND WITHOUT 60 DAY NOTICE, THAT HE SHOULD BE ENTITLED WITHOUT 60 DAYS NOTICE HE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO EIGHT WEEKS OF SEVERANCE PAY. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO RELATE THIS IN BUT I WILL RELY ON REGINA OR SOMEONE TO COMMENT ON THAT. SO, FOR GOING TO TAKE THESE UP
-- MR. CHAIRMAN, >> I'D LIKE TO TAKE THEM ONE BY
ONE. >> ONE BY ONE AND I MAY OR MAY NOT GET A SECOND. MY POINT IS THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE MR. CONRAD WITH EIGHT WEEKS OF SEVERANCE PAY IF HE IS DISCHARGED WITHOUT 60 DAYS NOTICE FOR ANY REASON.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, MY APOLOGIES. THERE MIGHT BE FEEDBACK HERE, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO SECOND THAT MOTION. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. SO I BE WILLING TO SECOND THAT.
I WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD.
>> VERY GOOD. WE WILL TAKE IT AS A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?
>> MR. CHAIR, AT SOME POINT -- THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR OPEN DIALOGUE IS TO PICK UP WHAT MR. CONRAD REFERENCE TO PICKING AN APPROPRIATE DATE TO STEP DOWN TO RUN THE CANDIDACY.
NOT ASKING FOR A DATE TODAY, BUT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AS FAR AS AN ORDERLY PROCESS TO DO SO WITHIN A 60 DAY PERIOD ARE 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. I WANT THIS TO BE AS MUCH AS PUBLICLY POSSIBLE TO BE AN OPEN DIALOGUE SO THAT IS BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYBODY. I DO NOT SEE THE NEED FOR SEVERANCE PAY BECAUSE OF YOUR CHARACTER AND EXEMPLARY SERVICE.
AS AN ISSUE OF BEING ASKED TO STEP DOWN WITHOUT CAUSE WITHIN 60 DAYS.
BUT IF WE CAN TALK AT SOME POINT WHETHER IT IS NOW OR AT SOME POINT SOON TODAY, ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF THE NEED TO STEP DOWN IN ORDER TO PURSUE CANDIDACY, THE TIMING -- NOT ASKING FOR A DATE, I NEED SO MANY DAYS TO DO THIS TO PREPARE.
I NEED SO MANY DAYS TO DO THAT SO THAT WE ARE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE.
I THINK THAT OPEN DIALOGUE WILL BE HELPFUL WHILE NOT COMFORTABLE ON LIVE TV.
>> AND THAT MIGHT ANSWER THE QUESTION WHETHER EIGHT WEEKS OF SEVERANCE WOULD EVEN BE CONSIDERED A NECESSITY RATHER THAN SAYING YES OR NO AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE STEPS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU PERCEIVE AS NECESSARY TO FULFILL YOUR NEEDS TO MEET YOUR OBLIGATIONS TO YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WITHOUT GIVING A SPECIFIC DATE, LIKE YOU SAID, I DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE, TO BE FRANK. I THINK WILL PROBABLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT IN MARCH OR APRIL. I HAVE CONSIDERED IT. I THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT. BOTH TAMIA BUT IN FAIRNESS BUT I TRUSTED THE PEOPLE AS A COMMUNITY. AS OF TODAY, TAKING IT ONE DAY AT A TIME YOU GET WILLING AND READY TO GET THE PROCESS MOVING AND HELP YOU. BUT I DO THINK THAT AT SOME TIME DURING THE MIDDLE TO EARLY NEXT YEAR, SOME YOU WILL BE UP AGAIN AS A MY CURRENTLY THAT I BELIEVE QUALIFYING IT'S IN THAT TIMEFRAME. SO WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE HAND. WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETIME BETWEEN MARCH, APRIL, MAY.
TODAY HE TO SAY MARCH BECAUSE I MAY STILL NEED TO BE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
>> EXCUSE ME. IF WE BACKUP ROUGHLY 60 DAYS, WE WILL HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS PRIOR TO THAT.
IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU WERE TO NEED 60 DAYS TO PROVIDE NOTICE AND MAKE A SMOOTH TRANSITION, FOCUS, IF YOU WILL, IS THAT WHICH ARE PERCEIVING OR WOULD YOU PERCEIVE THAT SOMETIME IN APRIL OR MAY, MARCH OR APRIL, WOULD BE THE TIME THAT YOU START THE TRANSITION TO BE THE
JUNE DEADLINE? >> IT WOULD BE APRIL OR MAY TO
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BEAT THE JUNE DEADLINE. >> OKAY.
THAT'S ALL. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER DEAN, WOULD YOU REPEAT YOUR EMOTIONAL RECOMMENDATION?
>> MY RECOMMENDATION -- AND I WILL MOVE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE PROVIDE EIGHT WEEKS OF SEVERANCE IN THE EVENT THAT HUNTER CONRAD IS TERMINATED OR DISMISSED WITHOUT AT LEAST 60
DAYS NOTICE. >> WITHOUT AT LEAST 60 DAYS
>> IS THAT WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE TO SECOND?
>> OKAY. THE MOTION IS THAT EIGHT WEEKS OF SEVERANCE WITH -- IF HE IS TERMINATED WITHOUT CAUSE WITHOUT 60 DAYS NOTICE. ALL RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT I DO NOT EXPECT THIS TO BE A NECESSITY. WILL KEEP THE CONTRACT AS PLEA -- AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE I PLAN TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I DO NOT EXPECT ISSUES THAT WOULD REQUIRE REMOVAL WITHOUT CAUSING A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING
YOUR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
>> WHAT IS IN THE CONTRACT NOW? IS THAT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR HUNTER.
>> 60 DAYS IS EIGHT WEEKS. >> OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT. I'M VERY SORRY MR. CHAIR. MAYBE IT'S JUST YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FOLLOWING ALONG. I WILL SAY PARAGRAPH THREE HAS TWO PARAGRAPHS, A AND B. 1950S AS IN THE EVENT OF THE EMPLOYEES EARLY TERMINATION THAT THE COUNTY SHALL PAY BASICALLY 60 DAYS OF THE -- SHALL PAY EMPLOYEE SALARY HEALTH, DENTAL AND VISION COVERAGE FOR A PERIOD OF 60 DAYS.
SO THAT'S THE EARLY TERMINATION. AND I GUESS, HIS EARLY TERMINATION THERE -- DOES THAT MEAN LESS THAN 60 DAYS IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> NO, IT MEANS IF YOU JUST READ A, HE AIN'T GETTING A SALARY.
HE'S JUST GETTING DENTAL, HEALTH -- WILL ADDRESS A SALARY AND HEALTH AND DENTAL AND VISION COVERAGE FOR A PERIOD OF 60 DAYS FOLLOWING THE NOTICE OF SUCH EARLY TERMINATION.
OKAY. >> IT APPEARS TO BE COVERED IN PARAGRAPH EIGHT THE WAY I READ IT.
>> IN THE EVENT OF EARLY TERMINATION -- ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR FOR THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED DAY? THREE DAYS HAVE IT. IT WILL STAY AS 3A AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN THIS TEXT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE 2?
PAGE 3. >> MR. CHAIR? I AM SORRY IF YOU'RE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY MAY NOT BE KEEPING UP WITH THE BAND HERE, BUT RIGHT AT THE VERY BEGINNING, OF PAGE 2 THE AGREEMENT SHALL BE EFFECTIVE, DID I MISS? HAS THAT BEEN SORT OF AGREED OF WHATEVER THE STARTING DATE IS.
>> I'M GOING TO HANDLE THAT LAST. NUMBER ONE I WANT TO GET THROUGH ANY -- THE CANDIDACY WAS GOING TO BE A DEAL KILLER, I WANTED TO BE OF THE WAY.
AND IF ANY OF THESE OTHER MATTERS IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NUMBER TWO BUT I FELT LIKE IT WOULD COME UP TILL FAIRLY QUICKLY AS HE SEVERANCE AS PART OF THAT.
IT WAS ON PAGE 2. SO NOW WE ARE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH. WE WILL DEAL WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE AS SOON AS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING PATIENT WITH US, MR. CONRAD, BECAUSE WE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO, I THINK.
BUT NONETHELESS, PAGE 3. IS THAT YOURS COMMISSIONER?
>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME.
>> FOUR TO BE EXACT. >> ON THIS PAGE?
>> I WANT TO SUGGEST UNDER 4 A, I WANT TO SUGGEST A SALARY OF 195,000 A YEAR AS A -- AND SUPPORT FOR THAT MOTION I WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE LOOKED AT THIS PRETTY CLOSELY WITH RESPECT TO WHAT MR. ONE CHECK STARTED AS COUNTY MANAGER IN 2007 AT 170,000 STARTING SALARY.
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IF YOU -- IF YOU GO BACK IN TIME TO 2007, STARTING WITH THE CURRENT -- IF WE WERE TO START MR. CONRAD AT 195, IF YOU WALK THAT BACK TO 2000 TO $2007 THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 155,000 STARTING SALARY. AS OPPOSED TO THE 178. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE JUSTIFICATION TO SUPPORT 195,000 $195,000 A YEAR SALARY. I OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT MR. CONRAD WOULD ACCEPT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM AND HEAR FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD?
>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> SIR I HAVE DONE.
I AM NOT CONRAD. RICHARD COMMANDO. I'M THE ATTORNEY THAT HAS BEEN ASSISTING MR. CONRAD IN NEGOTIATING THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.
>> I'M SORRY. >> ADDRESS PLEASE.
>> AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPENSATION, UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THE ORIGINAL DECISION WAS TO PROVIDE THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITION MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CONTRACT WAS WORTH $237,000. SO HIS SAVINGS TO THE COUNTY MR. CONRAD WAS WILLING TO PROVIDE A DISCOUNT AND TO COME IN -- IN PART OF HIS DESIRE TO SERVE THE COUNTY AND SERVE THE CITIZENS, TO COME IN AT A LOWER RATE. I THINK IF YOU TAKE THAT HUNDRED $70,000 AS TO WHAT WAS BEING MADE PREVIOUSLY AND YOU HAD INTO IT THE INFLATION AS A COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE I WOULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED, I THINK THAT NUMBER COMES -- THAT NEVER IN COMES ABOVE 200,000. HOWEVER IN AN EFFORT TO BE CONCILIATORY AND SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY IN THE BOARD, WE PROPOSE THAT NUMBER OF WIN98.
ÃAT 198. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OR DISCUSSION?
>> YOU HAVE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION?
>> I CERTAINLY WOULD MOVE TO PROVIDE A BASE SALARY OFFER, BASE SALARY OFFER TO MR. CONRAD
OF 195,000 ANNUALLY UNDER 4 A. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
>> SIR, THIS IS. >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOCHA AND SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN DOES NOT FAIL.
COMMISSIONER -- SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOW WE WILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION OF THE SALARY OF 195.
>> WELL, IT'S A CONTRACT VIOLATION OF PUBLIC POLICY IN VIOLATION OF -- THE
RESTATEMENT. >> NAME, ADDRESS.
>> @SLAVEN BOX 3 WAIT FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE. COULD WE PLEASE HAVE, FOR THE RECORD, THOUGH, THE FULL NAME OF THE LAW FIRM THAT THE ATTORNEY FOR HUNTER CONRAD COMES FROM SO THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY DO A CONFLICTS CHECK? BECAUSE I DID NOT CATCH HIS NAME AND I DIDN'T GET THE ADDRESS.
>> WILL GET IT TO YOU. >> THANK YOU.
BUT CAN WE DO THAT IN REAL TIME SO I CAN LOOK IT UP? COULD HE GO TO THE PODIUM.
>> CAN YOU GET THAT WHILE WE ARE TALKING.
>> THANK YOU. >> THE FULL NAME OF THE LAW FIRM. IF YOU COULD GET THE FULL NAME OF THE LAW FIRM.
>> DOES IT HELP YOU IF I TELL YOU.
>> YOU CAN. BRADLEY GARRISON AND COMMANDO.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> SEEING NONE.
>> IT IS NOW CLOSED. WE WILL VOTE ON THIS 195,000 UNLESS THERE IS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? . BASE COMPENSATION 195,000 ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I AYE. THREE AYE ALL OPPOSED SAY MAY.
>> TO NAYS. . THE BASE SALARY 195.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ON PAGE 2? COMMISSIONER DEAN.
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>> ITEM 2. MY SECOND ITEM UNDER FOUR -- 4 C. I BELIEVE THE -- THIS IS A REQUEST I BELIEVE AGAIN, EITHER TO THE ATTORNEY FOR MR. CONRAD TO BE GRANTED SEVEN DAYS OF VACATION LEAVE, GET CREDITED FOR SEVEN DAYS OF VACATION LEAVE UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND THEN THEREAFTER A RATE OF 20 WORKING DAYS PER YEAR. AND I WOULD MOVE THAT AS A
MOTION IN SUPPORT. >> YOU SUPPORT THAT?
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> WE HAVE A MOTION
COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES, SIR.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
FOR 4 C HAS IS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 4 C ESSAYS DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SEEING NONE OF FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE DON'T NEED TO MOVE IN UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT OR AMENDED. GIVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO BRING.
>> YES. UNDER ITEM ASSESSMENT WELL -- THIS IS A COMMENT IN A QUESTION, REALLY. AND I MAY NEED SOME VERIFICATION ON THIS.
FROM MR. CONRAD, BUT THIS IS UNDER 4 UNDERSEA LEAVE. AND THERE IS A STRIKE THROUGH AND THEN NEW LANGUAGE THE EMPLOYEE SHALL BE CREDITED WITH SEVEN -- AND THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. PSALMISTS MEANNESS SOMETHING THE COUNTY WOULD NOT AGREE TO BUT WAS OPPOSED BY MR. CONRAD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN -- MAYBE I MISINTERPRETED THIS ARAGRAPH, BUT I WANT, AS A MATTER OF POLICY,TOO PROVIDE LEAVE THAT WOULD ACCRUE FIRST UPON SIGNING THE AGREEMENT IT WOULD BE ACCRUED SEVEN DAYS AND THEN UPON EXECUTION OF THIS JUDGMENT THEREAFTER THE EMPLOYEE SHALL APPROVE VACATION LEAVE AT THE RATE OF 20 WORKING DAYS PER YEAR. MY SIMPLE QUESTION IS THIS IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT PROCESS -- THIS HIGHLIGHT SEVEN DAYS, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED ON MY SHEET SOMETHING THAT IS A REQUEST FROM MR. CONRAD? AM I MAKING SENSE MR. SHERMAN? IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
>> THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY REQUEST UNDERSTANDING THAT MANY STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT RETIREMENT SYSTEMS AS WELL AS BENEFIT SYSTEMS FRONTLOAD SENIOR MANAGEMENT THE DAY THEY WALK IN THE DOOR. THEY USUALLY APPROVE 20 DAYS. THEN ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE THEY ACCRUE ANOTHER 20 DAYS. UNDERSTAND THAT MR. CONRAD IS STEPPING AWAY FROM AN ELECTED POSITION WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE LEAVE AT WILL. I WAS LOOKING TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING THAT WAS FAVORABLE TO HIM IN CONSOLATION FOR THAT SACRIFICE.
>> AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THROUGH COMMISSIONER DEAN, OUR OFFICE NEGOTIATED THIS AGREEMENT WITH MR. COMMANDO AND MR. CONRAD. WE DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT PROVISION.
>> OKAY. WELL, THEN -- THEN IF MR. CONRAD HAS NO OBJECTION WE HAVE NO OBJECTION WE WILL JUST LEAVE THEM SEE AS IS.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON 4 C? >> ALL RIGHT WILL WHATEVER ELSE
YOU HAVE. >> WILL I THINK THIS IS ONE PROPOSED. THIS IS G THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
IN HIS DEFERRED COMPENSATION AND IT READS IN ADDITION TO THE ANNUAL SALARY DESCRIBED HEREIN, THE COUNTY AGREES TO CONTRIBUTE THE EQUIVALENT OF $625 EACH MONTH TO A COMPOSITION PROGRAM OF THE EMPLOYEES CHOOSING FOR THE TERM OF THIS AGREEMENT. SO IS MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE DRAFT, BUT IS BEING SUGGESTED BY HUNTER, AND.
I AGREE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. I AGREE WITH THIS PARAGRAPH.
I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ENTITLED FOR THE SHORT-TERM THAT HE IS WITH US, HE SHULD BE ENTITLED TO A DEFERRED COMPENSATION OF 625 A MONTH. SO I WOULD MOVE THIS PARAGRAPH TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT. X I THINK WE JUST LEAVE IT AS IS IS WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS? IF IS HERE, THAT'S CERTAINLY A DESIRE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER JOHNS?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION SO I WILL ASK.
HAS THIS CONTRACT BEEN VETTED BY A STATE OR ANY OTHER REGULATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE REQUESTS ARE COMPLIANT AND LEGALLY COMPENSABLE.
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>> THROUGH THE -- I THINK THE ADVICE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S ANY STATE LAW THAT WOULD PREVENT ANY ÃMAKE ANY PROVISION OF THIS PARAGRAPH.
I WILL SAY THAT PARAGRAPH NUMBER 10 C WHICH THE BORDER MR. WRIGHT HAVE REMOVED WAS OUR CHIEF CONCERN. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER -- OF ANY OTHER PROVISION PERTAINING TO THAT. I GUESS IF YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE DEFERMENT I GUESS I WOULD ASK FOR MR. COMMANDO -- WE -- I DO NOT THINK -- I DON'T THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN BACK IN LOOKING AT THE STAGE STATUTE PERTAINING TO THE DEFERRED COMP.
-- >> IT WOULD BE A VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION. THERE'S NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS IT.
I THINK YOU BE LEANING TOWARD STATE BENEFIT THIS WOULD BE NOT AS PART OF THE FRS BENEFIT.
THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE DEFERRED COMPENSATION ACCOUNT OF MR. CONRAD'S CHOOSING.
THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE STATUTES HERE.
>> ACTUALLY I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD CLARIFICATION MADE. THIS DOES NOT INVOLVE -- THIS DEFERRED LANGUAGE DOES NOT INVOLVE THE STATE OF FLORIDA FRS PROGRAM.
THIS IS ALMOST -- FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF THE CARLISLE. THERE COULD BE -- TO ALLOW IT, TO NOT ALLOW IT, AND THE AMOUNT. AND SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO NOT THINK THAT THIS NEGATIVELY INTERACTS WITH THE STATE STATUTE.
>> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS
COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> JUST A MOMENT, COMMISSIONER
BLOCKER. >> I'M LOOKING FOR A STRAIGHT YES OR NO AS TO WHETHER EACH OF THESE PARAGRAPHS -- NOT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR, FOLLOW NEVER GALATIANS THAT WE ARE BOUND TO. IT'S ONE THING TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT IT'S ANOTHER FOUR TO BE LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE. WE DO NOT WANT TO AGREE TO SOMETHING ON BOTH SIDES AND THEN FIND OUT THAT WE ARE NOT LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE BECAUSE WE ARE BOTH AGREEING TO SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE ENFORCED FOR SOME STATE, FEDERAL OR OTHER STIPULATION.
>> TO THE CHAIR, MR. JONES TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, OUR ONLY CONCERN REGARDING STATUTORY PROVISIONS AS WELL AS OTHER PROVISIONS WAS PARAGRAPH NUMBER 10 C WITH RESPECT TO THE COMPOSITION. IT WAS THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION WOULD BE ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION OVER AND ABOVE SALARY.
SO THE BENEFITS PORTION OF IT, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT TRIGGERS ANYTHING STATUTORY.
THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT OUR CONCERN IS THAT PARAGRAPH -- WE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME STATUTORY ISSUES WITH THAT AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR LOCAL --
>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, I KNOW YOU ARE THERE HAD COMMISSIONER DEAN UP NEXT. IF YOU DON'T MIND I'M GOING TO ASKED THAT I CALL UPON HIM FIRST. COMMISSIONER DEAN.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> WELL, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK I HAD MISINTERPRETED THE REDLINE AND THE YELLOW LINE EXTENT THAT I THOUGHT THAT THE PARAGRAPHS OR LINES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW WERE REQUESTED BY HUNTER CONRAD BUT NOT ONLY REQUESTED, BUT NOT IN THE DRAFT WE ARE ACTING ON. BASED ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT SEVERANCE, I WILL SAY THAT JUST TO BE CLEAR, EITHER PATRICK OR REGINA, ON 4 D, IF I DO NOT MAKE A MOTION, THE NET STAYS? THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO I MISINTERPRETED.
>> I APOLOGIZE. I TRIED TO REVIEW THIS AND HAD A FEW CALLS TO REGINA OVER THE WEEKEND. I'M A LITTLE FUZZY HERE ABOUT WHAT IS OFFERED UP TO VOTE ON.
BUT IF THAT IS IN THE PROPOSED CONTRACT, THEN I CERTAINLY DO NOT NEED.
>> I DO NOT NEED TO MAKE A MOTION AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE 4 D AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT
THAT. >> COMMISSIONER THANK YOU.
IF YOU NEED CLARIFICATION, THAT'S A GOOD THING. I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING IS GOOD DISCUSSION AS WELL. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?
>> YES. I THINK MY QUESTION IS CLARIFIED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN'S COMMENTS. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT THAT PART OF THE CONTRACT DOES INCLUDE IN THE FLORIDA RETIREMENT SYSTEM PAYOUT.
IS THAT CORRECT DORSETT INCLUDED IN HERE OR DID I MISS THAT?
>> FRS IS NOT A PART OF THIS. >> IT IS DEFERRED COMPENSATION.
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THIS IS NOT THE FRS. THIS IS THE VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION TO DEFERREDCOMPENSATION ACCOUNT. >> THIS WOULD BE THAT PENSION,
COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> OUTSIDE THE FRS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I COULD FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'M ASKING CAN BE HEARD CLEARLY.
MY QUESTION TO THE STAFF IS DOES THIS CONTRACT INVOLVE PROVISIONS TO ACCOUNT FOR FRS BOARD RETIREMENT SYSTEM CONTRIBUTIONS, NOT THIS CLAUSE, BUT IS THERE OTHER LANGUAGE
THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT? >> IF YOU LOOK AT PARAGRAPH 8, IT STATES SIMPLY SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE FLORIDA STATE SENIOR MANAGEMENT RETIREMENT CLASSIFICATION AND BE PROVIDED BENEFITS THEREOF. AND THAT'S RELATED.
>> THE FRS RETIREMENT. >> ON THE NEXT PAGE IT SHOWS
AND YOU ARE CORRECT. WHAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED COUNTERPROPOSALS THAT I MADE THAT WERE NOT IN THE INITIAL OFFER. MY DIRECTION WAS I LOOKED AT THE DIRECTION AND I TRIED TO ALIGN THIS INTERIM AGREEMENT TO YOUR PREVIOUS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. SO WHAT I DID WAS THE BENEFITS THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED, WERE BENEFITS THAT WERE PART OF YOUR PREVIOUS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THAT'S WHY IS HIGHLIGHTED.
THEY ARE NOT ONES THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS IN CONTENTION WITH BUT THAT IS WHY
YOU SEE THEM THERE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT THE KEY PART IS WHEN WE BOW. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON AND SO ONLY LANGUAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY HERE, WHETHER IT IS IN BLACK OR SEMI RED OR YELLOW, IS INCLUDED UNLESS WE CHANGE IT NOW THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
>> COMMISSIONER DEAN HAVE ANY MORE?
>> THAT'S IT. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE
BOARD, PAGE 3. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, ANYTHING ON PAGE 3 THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS?
>> NO. I DO NOT. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ALONG. PAGE NUMBER FOUR.
>> THERE'S NOTHING TO AMEND MISTERS LEHMAN, SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS IT UNLESS IT WAS AMENDED. YES IT.
>> ANYTHING ON PAGE 4? >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?
>> (AWAY FROM MIC) $265 LAST YEAR? IT'S ALL VOLUNTARY BUT
SOMETIMES BECAUSE MONEY. >> ANY THE QUESTION TO PAGE 4? DISCUSSION AT PAGE 4? RECOMMENDATIONS PAGE 4? PAGE 5? ANY DISCUSSION, PAGE 5? COMMISSIONER BOCHNER.
>> NO, SIR. I DO NOT. PAGE 6 ALL SEVEN LINES ANYTHING? PAGE 6 COMMISSIONER BLOCKER ANYTHING.
>> NO, SIR I DO NOT. >> ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE ONE LAST THING TO TIDY UP THAT WOULD BE PAGE NUMBER TWO AT THE TOP.
THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AGREEMENT. IS THAT QUESTION FOR ME, MR.
CHAIR. >> THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS WAY TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED.
>> I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE WOULD BE ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE NEXT MONDAY OR TUESDAY. I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER BEFORE WE WALK OUT TODAY.
THERE IS A LITTLE -- DOES NOT HOLD UP THERE SOME LOGISTICAL STUFF GOING ON WITH ME STEPPING DOWN IN THE CHIEF JUDGE THE GOVERNOR DECIDES TO MAKE A DECISION WEIGHING IN.
THE CHIEF JUDGE MAKING THE APPOINTMENT. HE IS UNAVAILABLE THIS WEEK AND IS TOLD ME TO LET THE BOARD KNOW AS WELL. HE WILL BE COMING IN FRIDAY TO MEET WITH MY STAFF TO MAKE A DECISION. I WOULD ASSUME FRIDAY AFTERNOON OR MONDAY. ABSOLUTELY. I CAN BE HERE ON TUESDAY MORNING OR IT CAN BE DONE BY MONDAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I COULD BE HERE ON MONDAY, TO START AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY, BUT I CANNOT SAY THAT WITH 100 PERCENT CERTAINTY UNTIL I GET DIRECTION FROM THE CHIEF JUDGE SO THAT I CAN PROVIDE MY RESIGNATION TO
THE STATE OF FLORIDA. >> YOU DIDN'T HELP A WHOLE LOT.
>> NO, SIR. I NAILED IT DOWN WITHIN 48 HOURS (LAUGHING).
>> SIR, JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, AS LONG AS THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THE BOARD,
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>> TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17. >> YES, SIR.
>> IS A BOARD MEETING DAY. >> BOARD MEETING DAY.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> A GOOD TIME TO START.
>> YES, SIR. >> JUMPING INTO THE DEEP END OF
THE POOL, AREN'T YOU. >> YES, SIR.
>> QUICK. ALL RIGHT WILL PUT IN THEIR INSERT DATE WILL BE EFFECTIVE ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17 TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 2019. I DO BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE NECESSARY RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN DUTIFULLY NOTED. WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THEM QUICKLY OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND YOU BEEN TAKING GOOD NOTES WILL GET A CLEAN COPY OF THIS AND WE WILL KNOW WHAT THEY ARE?
>> I'M GOOD. >> YOU ARE ALL FINE?
>> I THINK I HAVE SUFFICIENT NOTES AS WELL. PDO YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON IF WE VOTE ON THE ENTIETY TODAY? ALL RIGHT.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DO GO EXCEPT THIS EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT AS AMENDED BY TODAY'S
MEETING EXCEL MOVE. >> SECOND.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.
COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION?
>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
>>. >> MR. CHAIR, COULD YOU REQUEST THAT THE BOARD ASK YOU TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY?
>> I THINK THAT'S PART -- IS THAT NOT -- THAT'S PART -- THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS DESIGN.
SO, IS THAT TRUE? >> IS THE SIGNATURE BLOCK.
BUT JUST THE AUTHORIZATION FOR YOU TO EXECUTE.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> WE HAVE TO DO THAT ALL IN THE SAME MOTION?
>>. >> I WILL AMEND TO INCLUDE THE GIVEN AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE.
>> THE AMENDMENT IS SECONDED. WE WILL AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN INITIAL LINE CUT ON EACH PAGE OF THE CONTRACT.
>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> THE HABIT IN THE OTHER COUNTIES I LIKE TO SEE THAT EVEN AN IME RECOMMEND THIS NEXT TUESDAY AT LIKE TO SEE THAT FOR EACH PAGE -- PORRIDGE PAGES INITIAL.
>> I WAS HELPFUL IN GOING TO THE CONTRACTS.
>> THAT WAY IF THERE'S A QUESTION BOTH PARTIES HAVE READ IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> THIS IS A MISTAKE. IT'S A CRIME. IT'S A TOUR.
IT'S A VIOLATION OF PUBLIC POLICY. IT IS A CONTRACT AGAINST POLICY. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU ALL.
I WAS PLEASED WHEN YOU FIRED MR. Y CHECK AND THEN IT SEEMED YOU WANT TO HIRE ANOTHER GOOD OLD BOY. ANOTHER REPUBLICAN. IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE HE IS TOLD TO HIS RUNNING FOR REELECTION. HE'S GOING TO TEMPORARILY OCCUPY THE CHAR AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HERE HE'S GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN MAKING DECISIONS AND THEN THOSE DECISIONS, HE WILL REVIEW AS CLERK OF COURT OVER THE COMPTROLLER AND INSPECTOR GENERAL. THAT DOG WON'T HUNT.
IF YOU LOOK AT MATTHEW IN THE SUPREME COURT CASE LAW ON CONFLICT OF INTEREST, -- THERE'S NOBODY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WHO COULD DO THIS JOB OTHER THAN UNELECTED POLITICIAN ELECTED WITH FUNDING FROM DEVELOPERS AND THAT IS GOING TO BE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
AND MAKE DECISIONS FAVORING DEVELOPERS AND THAT IS GOING TO STEP DOWN IN MAY AND RUN FOR REELECTION AS CLERK OF COURTS. UNCONTAMINATED? NO.
YOU CONTAMINATED THE ENTIRE PROCESS. THIS IS WRONG.
AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS IT, ALL THE PEOPLE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT HUNTER CONRAD IS THE ONLY ONE THIS WAS OFFERED TO? YOU DID NASTY ASSISTANCE.
YOU DID NOT ASK ANY KIND OF ADVERTISING. ANY KIND OF PUBLIC NOTICE.
NO BACKGROUND CHECK. THIS DOES NOT PASS THE LAUGH TEST.
YOU WOULD NOT HIRE A METER READER AND UTILITY WITHOUT A BACKGROUND CHECK.
NO BACKGROUND CHECK FOR HUNTER CONRAD. NO NONDISCRIMINATION CLAUSE IS CONTRACTS KNOWING THAT PAST DISCRIMINATION OCCURRED. HE DID NOT ASK HIM QUESTIONS ABOUT MISUSING COUNTY CLERK OF COURT LETTERHEAD FOR POLITICAL PURPOSE.
BUT THEN AGAIN WE GOT A SHERIFF, DAVID SHORE WHO IS A BODY.
HE HAS USED COUNTY SHERIFF'S LETTERHEAD FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES INCLUDING ENDORSING ANDREA SAMUELS WAS DEFEATED BY THE VOTERS OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE? WE HAVE FIVE REPUBLICAN WHITE GUYS AND SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE WHITE GUYS BUT FIVE REPUBLICAN WHITE GUYS HIRING ANOTHER REPUBLICAN WHITE GUY.
$195 A YEAR NO-BID CONTRACT. VERY LOOSELY WRITTEN AND AS I READ THAT C-SECTION I WANTED TO
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SPEAK ABOUT, BASICALLY, YOU'RE GIVING THEM DOUBLE DIPPING, DOUBLE DIPPING ON DEFERRED COMPENSATION AS WELL AS FRS? SO, IT WAS WITH VERY GOOD REASON THAT I REPORTED YOU ALL IN THIS TO HIDE. AS A VIOLATION OF TITLE VI OF THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT WHICH WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE COURAGE OF OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE THOUSAND OF WHOM WERE ARRESTED BY A CORRUPT SHERIFF IN 1963 IN 1964.ALL THOSE CASES WERE DISMISSED IN FEDERAL COURT. I LOOK FORWARD TO HIDE INVESTIGATING THIS WRONGDOING UNDER TITLE VI AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE,
>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONERS, TO TAKE THE TIME QUICKLY BEFORE WE CONCLUDE TO THANK YOU, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU PUBLICLY FOR THE TRUST THAT YOU HAVE PLACED IN ME.
I HOPE TO SERVE EACH OF YOU WELL. I HOPE TO SERVE THE COUNTY WEL . MY FAMILY DOES LIVE HERE AND I'VE GROWN UP HERE.
I WANT TO SEE THE COUNTY SUCCEED AND DO WELL. SO MY DESIRE IS TO CARRY OUT THE WISHES OF YOU ALL IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE WISHES OF THE COUNTY I HOPE TO DO WELL. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUST AND CONFIDENCE I HOPE YOU CONTINUE
-- >> MR. CONRAD TO SAVE YOU A FEW STEPS. IF I REMEMBER ACCURATELY, THE BOARD VOTED TO CHANGE THE CONTRACT AND SALARY FROM WIN98 TO WIN95. I DO NOT RECALL ASKING MR. CONRAD IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND I DO NOT WANT TO ASSUME THAT SO WE DON'T WIND UP COMING BACK HERE FOR ANY MATERIAL CHANGE. I WANT TO EXTEND THAT COURTESY TO YOU. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> IS NO OBJECTION. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> WE HAVE A MOTION THAT A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR GENDER PORTION OF TODAY'S SPECIAL MEETING.
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WE DO HAVE ON THIS TO CONTINUE THROUGH WITH THE COMMISSIONERS REPORTS, ETC. I WILL OFFER FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS ANYTHING NOW NOW BEGIN WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WAS ON THE PHONE.COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> I HAVE NOTHING.
>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> AND TODAY, SIR.
>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> NOTHING.
>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? I JUST HAVE TO SAY ONE THING. I'VE KNOWN HUNTER CONRAD FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND I WOULD SAY FIRST, HE HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT ATTORNEY, BOTH IN THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND IN PRIVATE PRACTICE. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT HE HAS MANAGED THE CLERK OF COURTS OFFICE WELL. BUT FOR MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS, THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTIC ABOUT HUNTER CONRAD IS HE IS THE MOST DEDICATED, CARING AND LOVING FATHER THAT I HAVE MET IN YEARS.
I ALWAYS ENJOYED WHEN HE SHOWS ME HIS LATEST PICTURES OF HIS BOYS.
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TO ME THAT IS SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT. AND I DID NOT WANT THIS AFTERNOON TO GO BY WITHOUT SAYING THAT HE LOVES THOSE CHILDREN WITHOUT MEASURE.THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN.
>> ATTORNEYS. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE BOARD FOR GETTING THROUGH THIS SPECIAL MEETING HERE.
I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH MR. CONRAD. I WILL SAY THE ONE PROVISION THAT WE HAVE -- THE REAL CONCERN ABOUT WAS THE NORM 10 C WHICH THE BOARD IDENTIFIED AND MR. CONRAD, I THINK ALREADY SHOWED GOOD JUDGMENT BY AGREEING TO FORGO THAT.
I DO THINK THAT IS THE COUNTY IS ON A GOOD COURSE TO CONTINUE FROM THIS POINT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD
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