Nov 19, 2019 Board of County Commissioners

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>> LET US COME TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO CALL THE SPECIAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING OF THE

[Call to Order]

INVOCATION. >> AS THANKSGIVING APPROACHES I THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE A STORY WITH YOU. IT CAME TO PASS WENT TO JOURNALISM.

AS ANNA TEW A CERTAIN VILLAGE I MET HIM 10 MEN THAT WERE LEPERS.

THEY LIFTED UP THEIR VOICE AND SAID JESUS MASTER HAVE MERCY ON US AND HE SAW THEM HE SAID TO THEM GO UNTO THE PRIEST AND IT CAME TO PASS AND AS THEY WENT THEY WERE CLEANSED.

ONE OF THEM WHEN HE SAW THAT HE WAS HEALED TURNED BACK AND WITH A LOUD VOICE GLORIFIED GOD.

FELL DOWN TO HIS FEET GIVING HIM THANKS AND HE WAS A SAMARITAN.

JESUS ANSWERED AND SAID WHERE ARE THE NINE? THEY HAVE NOT FOUND ANY TO GIVE GLORY TO GOD SAVE THIS STRANGER AND HE SAID TO HIM ARISE BY FAITH HAS MADE THE WHOLE.

HE CAME BACK IN A LOUD VOICE AND THANKED GOD FOR HIS HEALING SO MANY TIMES WE GET THEM FROM THE LORD AND WE FORGET TO SAY THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE REMEMBER THANKSGIVING IS A TIME TO GIVE THANKS. LET US PRAY.

WE THANK YOU FOR TODAY AND WE THANK THE LORD FOR THIS MEETING TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE AND WE PRAY AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE PRAY TO GOD THAT SO MANY TIMES WE FIND OURSELVES IN BAD SITUATIONS AND MEN AND WOMEN OF FIRE AND RESCUE THAT WILL SHOW UP AND BRING HEALING TO US, HEAVENLY FATHER. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS, DEAR GOD AND PRAY FOR OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND WE THANK YOU FOR THEM AND WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE OFFICIALS AND GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.

WE PRAY YOU USE THEM IN A MIGHTY WAY AND BE YOUR HANDS AND FEET TO BRING HEALING TO THIS LAND.

WE LOVE YOU AND PRAISE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY IN

JESUS'S PRECIOUS NAME, AMEN. >> WE WILL NOW HAVE THE PRESENTATION OF COLORS BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRE RESCUE COLORGUARD. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

[Honoring the Memory of Mr. Phillip Bartola Genovar]

>> PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. TODAY AS PART OF OUR MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO HONOR THE MEMORY OF A LOCAL THAT DID A LOT FOR OUR COMMUNITY OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY IN THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT BACK WHEN VOLUNTEERS STEP FORWARD BEFORE WE HAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WE HAVE NOW.

AND MR. PHILIP BARTOLO THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN HIS MEMORY. THANK YOU AT THIS TIME I WILL ASK THE VICE CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER JEB SMITH TO SAY A

PRAYER FOR THE FAMILY. >> MR. SMITH: IF YOU WOULD BOW YOUR HEADS. FATHER, WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHO YOU ARE AND AS THE BIBLE SAYS IN PHILIPPIANS CHAPTER 4, BE CAREFUL FOR NOTHING BUT IN EVERYTHING LET

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FATHER, AT THIS TIME I KNOW THE FAMILY HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS TRIAL AND TRIBULATION AND GRIEF AND SORROW WITH THE LOSS OF MR. GENOVAR. WE THANK YOU FOR JESUS CHRIST AND HIS DEATH BEAR HIS RESURRECTION ON OUR BEHALF.

FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR THE MEMBER OF MR. GENOVER AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND MAY WE NOT BE SO EASY TO FORGET ALL THAT HE CONTRIBUTED TO IT.

WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESSED

IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >> PLEASE BE SEATED.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL ASK IF ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ÃOR A STORY ABOUT MR. GENOVER WILL BE NICE AT THIS TIME.

>> MR. CHAIR, WHILE SOME MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY BE COMING UP, AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, I DID WANT TO TELL ONE NARRATIVE ABOUT MR. GENOVER WHICH PARTICULARLY IMPRESSED ME.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE CAME TO BE A DISPUTE, A CONTROVERSY WHICH ENDED UP BEING A FEDERAL LAWSUIT PERTAINING TO THE NAME OF A ROAD, AND I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS, BUT I WILL DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT OF THE SOLUTION BECAUSE IT WAS MR. GENOVER, THE STATESMAN, MR. GENOVER, THE PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS INSTRUMENTAL, ALONG WITH ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE HERITAGE FAMILY TO END UP HAVING THE ROAD NAME THE SERGEANT TUTTLE AND IT WAS NAMED AFTER A FALLEN SOLDIER WHICH I THINK SHOULD THE CHARACTER OF MR. GENOVER AND HIS LOVE FOR OUR COUNTRY.

AND OUR FALLEN SOLDIER. THANK YOU, MR. J.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

I AM LINDA AND LEVITON 60 CHERRY TREE RD.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT MR. GENOVER.

I MET HIM IN 1987 AT HIS SHOP NEXT TO SONNY'S ON U.S. 1 SOUTH. DIXIE CUSTOM.

WE SHOULD ALL BE WEARING THE DIXIE CUSTOM COLORS TODAY BECAUSE I NEVER SAW MR. GENOVER WITHOUT ORANGE AND GRAY ON IN THE 30 YEARS I WAS AROUND HIM. AND THE REASON THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WOULD STOP AND MR. GENOVER 'S SHOP WAS BECAUSE MANDEL MILITARY STYLE EQUIPMENT IN THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE TOOLS TO WORK ON IT. WE WOULD GO DOWN THERE AND BORROW HIS TOOLS AND BUCKET TRUCKS TO CHANGE FLIGHTS, AND HE WAS ALWAYS SUPER GENEROUS TO WHAT WE NEEDED FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HIS HEART LIED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. THE HUMANE SOCIETY, AND THE EASTER PARADE. AND I WAS REMEMBER WHEN THE EASTER PARADE NEEDED SOME LEADERSHIP AND ASSISTANCE, MR.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS SONIA JENSEN I AM FULL GENOVER'S DAUGHTER AND I REALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THIS FROM THE FAMILY.

>> THANK YOU, SONIA. ABSOLUTELY.

ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING FROM THE

COMMISSIONERS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP IN THE COMMUNITY, MR. GENOVER WAS A PILLAR AND A VERY STOUT INDIVIDUAL, ESPECIALLY IN HIS SACRIFICE AND CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. AND MOST OF THAT CAME TO HIS VOLUNTEER SERVICE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FOR WHICH BACK IN THE OLDER DAYS, IT WAS A TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTION AND SACRIFICE OF HIS OWN PERSONAL TIME AND FINANCES.

THERE'S SOME HISTORY THERE AS WELL IN REGARD TO HIS CONTRIBUTION TO STATIONS AND TRUCKS AND MAINTENANCE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I WILL JUST SAY THIS.

AS A KID, IT WAS A DANGEROUS THING IF WE COULD GO TO SONNY'S TO AFFORD TO GO AT THE TIME, WE WOULD SIT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT AND THOSE LITTLE BOYS WOULD DROOL OVER THE TRUCKS HE ALWAYS HAD OUT THERE AND ALL THESE KINDS OF DIFFERENT 4 X 4 PICKUP TRUCKS THAT YOU JUST WOULD ENVY OVER AND SAT THERE AT DIXIE CUSTOMS. I JUST WANT TO SAY OUR GREATEST CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY AND MAY GOD BE ABLE TO BEAR YOUR GRIEF AND YOUR SORROW AND IS A TREMENDOUS LOSS TO THIS COMMUNITY SUCH A PILLAR WAS HE. THANK YOU.

>> KIND OF TO ECHO SOME OF THAT, GROWING UP HERE KNOWING THAT MR. GENOVER AND THE FAMILY, ESPECIALLY, OVER TIME WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDED HELP. IT'S HARD ÃA LOT OF PEOPLE COME NOW AND IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO IMAGINE WE WERE A TOWN OF PROBABLY 30,000 PEOPLE AT ONE TIME SURROUNDING THE COUNTY.

SO THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF MONEY OR ASSETS TO HAVE TOOLS.

WHEN WE STARTED EXTRACTIONS, SOMEBODY WAS TELLING ME THIS MORNING, THAT HE WAS ONE OF THE PERSONS THAT GAVE SOME OF THE TOOLS IN HIS SHOP THAT VOLUNTEERED HIS TOOLS WHEN THERE WAS A CRASH. THE FAMILY CAN ATTEST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HE HELPED OUT FIXING THE VEHICLE FOR THEM, GETTING THEM APART SO THEY COULD GET TO WORK BECAUSE HE KNEW THEIR FAMILY NEEDED IT. AND THAT'S KIND OF BECOMING A START. AS A COMMUNITY GETS BIGGER YOU LOSE THAT PART OF IT, AND IT'S KIND OF A SHAME THAT WAY.

AND I REALLY AM GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING HE EVER DID FOR THE COMMUNITY. GROWING UP, HE WAS ALWAYS AS NICE AS CAN BE TOO ME AND MY FAMILY AND WE CHERISH YOU ALL'S FRIENDSHIP. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

WHAT ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO SWITCH BACK TO OUR REORGANIZATIONAL MEETING

>> MR. CHAIR, AT THIS POINT, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE SPECIAL REORGANIZATION MEETING OF THE BOARD FOR PUBLIC

[Public Comment (Part 1 of 2) ]

>> MR. WALDRON: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE

REORGANIZATION? >> I WANT TO SAY CHAIRMAN WALDRON, YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB BEING A CHAIR.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT JOB YOU HAVE DONE. I ESPECIALLY WOULD LIKE ALL OF YOU OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW ABOUT CHAIRMAN WALDRON BECAUSE UNDER THE LAW, HE CAN'T TALK TO YOU AND TELL YOU THINGS UNLESS IT'S RIGHT HERE. BUT CHAIRMAN WALDRON GOES TO A LOT OF MEETINGS. HE TAKES A LOT OF PRIDE IN THIS COUNTY. HE IS AT SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS, HE IS AT CITY MEETINGS, AND HE'S A GREAT LISTENER.

I NEVER SEE HIM GO TO THE MICROPHONE AND TRY TO TAKE EXTRA TIME OR JUST LISTENING AND BEING VERY SUPPORTIVE TO ALL PEOPLE. AND WHOEVER THE NEXT CHAIRMAN

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>> MR. WALDRON: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING ON, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> GOOD MORNING. JERRY BACHER, 2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE. JUST A LITTLE RECAP HERE A FEW PEOPLE OUT THERE IN T.V. LAND ARE WONDERING WHAT'S WENT ON.

NO SETBACKS ON FIRE HYDRANTS Ã >> WE WILL DO THAT IN A MINUTE.

DURING THE REGULAR AGENDA >> THERE'S A GENERAL COMMENT.

FOR THE REGULAR MEETING. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE SPECIAL AGENDA? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MRAT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE

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THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SHALL BE ELECTED ONE AT A TIME BEGINNING WITH DEJARIK. THE VOTE WILL BE THE ABOVE OKAY WHICH MEANS VOICE VOTE FOR EACH OFFICE IN THE NOMINATION SERVES AS A NOMINATION. IT MUST BE SECONDED.

THE DIFFERENT NAMES SHALL BE REPEATED BY THE OUTGOING OR ACTING CHAIR SO FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE, COMMISSIONER WALDRON AS THEY ARE MOVED AND SECONDED. THE VOTE SHALL BE TAKEN AFTER THE CHAIR DECLARES THAT THE NOMINATIONS ARE CLOSED AND SHALL BE TAKEN ON EACH NOMINEE IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE NOMINATED UNTIL ONE IS ELECTED BY A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES.

UST AS A REMINDER, ANY COMMISSIONER MAY DOMINATE ANY COMMISSIONER. AND IT WILL BE DONE ONE AT A TIME STARTING WITH THE CHAIR SO THE CHAIR WILL OPEN UP NOMINATIONS. THERE MAY BE ONE NOMINATION AND IF ONLY ONE, THEN CLOSED OR THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE.

IF THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE THEY WILL BE VOTED ON THE ORDER THEY ARE PLACED. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND THE BOARD WILL STAY IN PLACE UNTIL THE COMPLETION OF BOTH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. AND THEN AFTER THAT, I THINK IT WILL BE AN ADJOURNMENT OF THE MEETING IN PREPARATION FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.HANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR?

COMMISSIONER JOHNS COMMIT >> I WILL NOMINATE COMMISSIONER

SMITH. >> I WILL SECONDED.

ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? >> MR. CHAIR, IF THERE ARE NO OTHERS, IF YOU WOULD REPEAT WHO HAS BEEN NOMINATED AND PUT THEM

OUT TO ABOUT >> WE HAVE A NOMINATION OF COMMISSIONER JEB SMITH TO BE CHAIRMAN FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR VICE CHAIR?

>> I WILL NOMINATE COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER PEERED

>> SECOND. >> ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? NOMINATIONS ARE NOW CALLED. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? A NOMINATION OF COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER AS VICE CHAIRMAN FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.

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>> WE WILL NOW HAVE PRESENTATIONS OF THE OUTGOING

CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. >>

FROM MIC] [APPLAUSE] >>

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>> BEFORE WE ADJOURNED THE SPECIAL MEETING, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WERE BEING VERY HOSPITABLE LAWYER. AND THANK YOU TO STAFF AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.COM. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR INPUT, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR AIR AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SERVE AS CHAIRMAN.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL ADJOURN THE >> WE WERE NOW CALLED TO GÃB CALL TO ORDER THE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2019 REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

MAY I HAVE THE CLERK CALL THE WORLD.

[Public Comment (Part 2 of 2)]

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THE BOARD WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE HIS OR HER NAME, AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHOW COMPLY WITH THE RULES OF DECORUM AND COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER MAY NOT INCLUDE DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATELY RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATIONS OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THE MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD.

THANK YOU. >> PLEASE COME ON FORWARD.

>> ANYTHING NOT ONLY REGULAR AGENDA?

GOOD MORNING. >> I AM NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD. AND I AM HERE FOLLOWING UP ON THE MICROBEADS CLOSURE AND REOPENING AND WE ARE ALL VERY, VERY HAPPY THAT THE BEACH IS NOW OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO RESIDENTS. TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE STILL RESIDENTS ÃI ALSO WANT TO BACKUP AND MENTION I WAS AT THE BEACH YESTERDAY BETWEEN 3:00 AND 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON AND I

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IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY SO IT'S GREAT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR PAYCHECK EVERY DAY. UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO STILL DON'T HAVE THE BEACH BACK FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND THOSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO BECAUSE OF THEIR SCHEDULES THEY CAN'T GO TO THE BEACH BETWEEN 11:00 A.M. AND SUNSET MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. AND I HAVE WRITTEN TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF STAFF, AND I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE AS WELL.

SCOTT PHILLIPS, TO AND TABITHA HAVE BOTH WRITTEN REQUESTING PARKING ON PONTE VEDRE BLVD. JUST DURING THE MORNING HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ACCESS THOSE PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS TO THE BEACH, PERHAPS SELECTING IF THE COUNTY WERE TO SELECT ONE OR TWO ACCESS POINTS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE.HE GTM REALLY ISN'T A FAIR ALTERNATIVE. IT COSTS MONEY AND IS A FURTHER AWAY. IT'S A SEVEN MILE ROUND-TRIP.

HE ONLY RESPONSE WE HAVE RECEIVED IS THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION.EALLY, IT WASN'T A SUGGESTION, IT WAS A REQUEST.

WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST, EITHER YES, HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE RESPONSE OR NO AND A REASON WHY. SO THAT'S WHY I AM HERE I AM HOPING TO GET AN ANSWER TO THAT ABOUT PONTE VEDRE PARKING AND PONTE VEDRE BLVD. PARKING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

AROUND 6:00 A.M. OR SUNRISE UNTIL 11:00.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO HEAR A RESPONSE NOW? WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE AN ANSWER.

THAT'S ALL. >> STAFF, WE LOOK INTO

RESPONDING TO THAT >> THERE'S A LONG-STANDING POLICY FOR ORDINANCE PROHIBITING PARKING ON PONTE VEDRE BLVD. IN THE DUVAL COUNTY LINE ALL

THE WAY DOWN TO U.S. 1. >> OKAY.

THAT CAN BE ALTERED AND AMENDED OR CHANGED.

THANK YOU FOR THAT AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT LATER.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

>> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE.

I AM JUST RECAPPING AND LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW WHY THIS HAS WENT ON THE WAY IT'S WENT ON. OTE SETBACKS FOR FIRE HYDRANTS, 24 INCH CULVERTS GOING INTO AN 18 INCH CULVERTS.

FOR ONE, IT WAS NEVER APPROVED BY A COUNTY COMMISSION.

IT WAS DONE BY STAFF. AND YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS TO SEE WHEN THIS CAME UP, THERE WAS NO TURN LANE.

WE WERE DENIED A MAJOR MODIFICATION ONCE AGAIN.

ANOTHER THING IS I DID YOUR SURVEY, AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ADD ANOTHER YEAR ONTO THE LOBBYIST THAT LEAVE THE COUNTY.

IT SHOULD BE A TWO-YEAR NO LOBBYING THE COUNTY AFTER YOUR LEG. ANOTHER THING, YOU ARE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS APPOINTED. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU UP THERE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD, THE PEOPLE, TO PICK WHO WE AND YOU WANT UP THERE, NOT THE SAME BOARD THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 10, 16 YEARS. YOU NEED TO PICK A NEW APPOINTMENT. ANOTHER THING, WHEN THE MAN COMES IN HERE FROM DEEP CREEK NOT CLEANING THE CREEK, ONCE AGAIN, THE ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT IS THE ONLY ENTITY THAT IS NOT GOVERNED BY ANYBODY.

THEY ARE APPOINTED. THE MORE MONEY YOU HAVE, THE MORE YOU GET. DANO DAVIS NOKIA T FOR AN EXAMPLE. HE WAS GIVEN A PERMIT TO PUMP 100 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IN HIS WATERPARK, AND IT WAS A DROUGHT. SO THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO STEP UP BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE OUR LOCAL OFFICIALS.OU ARE OUR VOICES. YOU ALL HAVE A CHOICE ON POINTING THE PERSON TO THE ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT IN EACH COUNTY. AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO RELIEVE THESE PEOPLE IN FLAGLER STATES AND HASTINGS.

THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ME BECAUSE I AM A WEEKEND DOOR TO MY FARM.

BUT IT DOES AFFECT THESE PEOPLE.

AND YOU ALL ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO STAND UP AND QUIT LETTING THESE PEOPLE GET RUN OVER WHEN PEOPLE CAN GET PERMITS TO PUMP MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY DURING A DROUGHT.

THANK YOU. GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.

ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

TOM REYNOLDS 50 BRIGANTINE CT. THIS IS THE OLDEST DOCUMENT I HAVE FROM THE COUNTY. PATRICK MCCORMACK GAVE IT TO ME. JUST WANT TO REMIND THE GENTLEMAN ELECTED COUNTY OFFICIALS SHOULD PROPERLY ADMINISTER THE AFFAIRS OF THE COUNTY, PROMOTE DECISIONS WHICH ONLY BENEFIT THE PUBLIC INTEREST ACTIVELY PROMOTE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT KEEP SAFE ALL FUNDS.

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THE MIXTURE PASS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCRUTINY.

GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW I THINK VERY HIGHLY OF THE COUNTY OFFICIALS, AND I WAS STUDYING RECENTLY THE PROCESS FOR MOTION TO RECONSIDER. BECAUSE I FEEL ONE DECISION HERE AND THERE WAS A 3 TO 2 VOTE AND THE 2 ONE.

I'M TROUBLED BY THAT. THE MAJORITY DID NOT WIN.

BUT TO TOP IT ALL OFF, THE ISSUE IS CALLED ATTACKS.

AND IT WAS TO RAISE THE HOTEL TAX, AND IT WAS VOTED DOWN AND TO COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE IT TOOK A SUPER MAJORITY VOTED IT DOWN. BUT THE PART I AM REALLY TROUBLED BY THIS THAT WAS TO BENEFIT US, THE HOMETOWN TEAM.

THE COUNTY RESIDENTS BECAUSE TRULY, I LOVE THE VISITORS.

I WOULDN'T MAKE IT OUT WITHOUT VISITORS.

BUT THIS COMPANY SUPPLIES A LOT FOR THEM.

WE HAVE VERY LOW HOTEL THAT TAX.

ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE FROM OUTSIDERS FOR WHAT WE PROVIDE IS REALLY COMMON SENSE. SO MAYBE SOME TIME TODAY DURING COMMISSIONER COMMENT, MAYBE THE THREE THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT COULD BRING IT UP. AND MAYBE THE TWO WHO DID VOTE FOR IT COULD RECONSIDER BRINGING THIS BACK AND HAVING THE OUTSIDERS PAY FOR THE GREAT SERVICES THAT WE GIVE THEM HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ST. AUGUSTINE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR TAKING NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT IS NOT MANDATORY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENT?

COME FORWARD. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JAMES HENSLEY AND I LIVE AT 7330 OAKMONT CT. AND PONTE VEDRE BEACH IN THE MARSHLAND EAST SUBDIVISION. I WAS THERE THE LAST TIME AND MR. MCCORMICK HAD SOMEBODY SPEAKING AND I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE ANYBODY TIME BUT I WANTED TO SHOW EVERYONE BASICALLY YOU FOLKS THIS IS MY HOME. AND I WORKED MY WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS HOUSE AND THE REASON WHY I'M SHOWING YOU THIS PICTURE IS SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS HUGE FOR OUR SUBDIVISIONS WHAT PUMPS THE WATER BACK OUT TO THE INTRACOASTAL. I THINK MR. DEAN MAY HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF.

IF THIS DOESN'T WORK AND THE PIPES ARE CLOGGED, I KNOW NEAR THE INTERCOASTAL I UNDERSTAND THE INSURANCE EXECUTIVE, I HAVE THE SYSTEM IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

IT'S BEEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE I CAME TO THIS JAMES WHITEHOUSE I USED TO BE HIS ASSISTANT. HE WORKED HERE FOR YEARS.

HE CREATED THIS DOCUMENT FOR YOU AND HIS STAFF WORKED WITH US FOR 28 MONTHS. 28 MONTHS AND IT TOOK THEM 18 MONTHS TO FINALLY ISSUE THE CERTIFICATES, THE PRIDE TICKETS FROM MARSH LADY TO FIX THIS. 12 MONTHS AGO, YOU FINALLY ISSUE THE THREE PRIDE TICKETS AND NOW WE ARE HERE AND HERE HE SATURDAY THE LAST TIME YOU MENTION IT I UNDERSTAND IS PRIVATE PROPERTY BUT I PAY TAX. I PAID COUNTY TAX TO BE HERE.

SO THE QUESTION, TO ME, IS I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ISSUED THE ISSUES, THEY ARE LOUD AND CLEAR. BUT NOW WE ARE STANDING BACK SAYING WAIT A MINUTE. AFTER I SPENT 28 MONTHS AND HE HELD MY HAND AND WE WORK WITH YOU AND DIDN'T SO YOU AND WE WANTED TO BE HELPFUL AND NOW HERE WE ARE.

I ONLY HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT SO I WANT TO SHOW YOU THESE ARE REPORTS. THESE ARE REPORTS THAT MARSHLAND IN DEBT ON THEIR OWN AND IT CLEARLY SAYS RIGHT THERE AT THE PUMP STATION, IT'S FAILING.

IT'S FAILING. AND IF THE WATER CANNOT GET OUT OF MARSH LADY, WE FLOOD. SO I ONLY HAVE ABOUT 48 SECONDS LEFT AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS FAMILY JUST MOVED HERE.

THEY LIVE ON FOUNDERS WAY. AND THEY JUST MOVED HERE THREE MONTHS AGO. THIS IS THEIR HOUSE ON SUNDAY.

AND I WANT YOU TO SEE YOU CANNOT GET IN THAT HOUSE.

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I KNOW IT'S CAME TIGHT AND I GET IT.F THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS NOT MAINTENANCE, CLEANED OUT, THE ESTUARIES ARE NOT CLEANED OUT, THE PIPES AREN'T SERVICE FOR 40 YEARS. WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET TO SAVE OUR HOMES. SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LIVING THROUGH AND I'M BEGGING YOU TO HELP US.

>> PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO THE CLERK.

>> THE ONES THAT YOU DISPLAYED, I THINK MR. HENSLEY, IF YOU

COULD PROVIDE A COPY TO US >> I WILL GIVE IT ALL TO YOU.

YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL. BUT I THINK YOU AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO, BUT HELP US WITH THIS BUREAUCRACY BETWEEN ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT AND YOU GUYS.OU HAVE TO HELP US. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I SPOKE TO THE OFFICIALS LAST WEEK AND AS I SAID I WOULD'VE THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE, YOU MAY BE THAT THE STAFF HAS FINALIZED THE TECHNICAL STAFF REPORT.

IT'S GOING TO THE DECEMBER BOARD MEETING, AS I UNDERSTAND, WHICH IS THE SECOND TUESDAY IN DECEMBER.

AND IT WILL ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS OF THE HOA AND REQUIRE THAT THEY BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS INCLUDING THE MAINTENANCE THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE OVER THE YEARS, AND SO I THINK ÃI HOPE THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE RELIEF THAT YOU ARE SEEKING BECAUSE THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION OVER PRIVATE LAND AND PRIVATE ROADS AND PRIVATES FOR MORE POLYPS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION.

UNFORTUNATELY. BUT IN THIS CASE, THE DISTRICT IS MOVING AHEAD TO DEAL WITH THESE PAST VIOLATIONS, AND I

THINK THEY WILL BE CORRECTED. >> JUST ONE COMMENT.

NEXT TIME, THOUGH, I WAITED 28 MONTHS TO GET YOUR HELP.

YOU GUYS ISSUED THE TICKETS FROM MY ATTORNEYS WHO USED TO WORK HERE FROM ALL OF YOUR ROLES.

IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE YOU ISSUED THE TICKETS AND WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE JURISDICTION Ã

>> I UNDERSTAND BUT I CAN ONLY LOOK AHEAD.

I WOULD TALK TO THE DISTRICT AND THERE WAS AN ITEM ON THE

DECEMBER AGENDA, THEIR AGENDA >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> MR. BLOCKER: MR. MCCORMICK, COULD YOU AND YOUR STAFF GET WITH MR. HENSLEY AND MAKE SURE ANY QUESTIONS HE HAS ARE BEING ANSWERED? OBVIOUSLY, COMMISSIONER DIMAS PROVIDED SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOUR OFFICE INTERFACES.

>> WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYMORE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS IF THERE'S ANY OTHERS PLEASE LINE UP SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA.

>> MY NAME IS JARED OLSON, I LIVE AT 203209 HARBOR VISA CIR.

YOU PROBABLY RECOGNIZE ME AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE HAVE COME HERE TO THESE MEETINGS.

I AM ONE OF THE COFOUNDERS OF A CITIZEN ACTION GROUP CALLED CLIMATE ACTION ST. AUGUSTINE. I WOULD LIKE TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD FOR BEING SO RECEPTIVE TO OUR CONCERNS AND FOR BEING WILLING TO SET UP MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF FUNDING CLIMATE CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY.E UNDERSTAND THESE MEETINGS ARE HARD TO SET UP OR TAKE TIME TO SET UP AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WE WANTED TO BE GRACIOUS FOR.

HOWEVER, SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY WHO HAVE NOT SEEN THIS BEFORE IT MAY BE WONDERING, WELL, WE HAVE MEETINGS SET UP AND WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS POLICY.

WHERE WE VACUUMING I THINK IT WAS A FITTING SENTIMENT THAT MR. HENSLEY WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW HIS HOMES IN PONTE VEDRE ARE CURRENTLY FACING AN ACTUAL CRISIS OF PEOPLE CAN'T WALK INTO THEIR HOMES. WE ARE BACK TODAY BECAUSE AS WE CAN SEE WITH THE PEOPLE AT MR. HENSLEY CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT I WISH WE CAN HAVE A PRACTICAL REASON OR A FORMER SPECIFIC REASON TO SAY THAT BUT WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS AFFECTING OUR COMMUNIY AND BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS REMAINS AT THE TOP OF OUR AGENDA.

I COULD GO ON FOREVER REFERENCING OUR STATISTICS FROM SCIENTIFIC STUDIES OF THE UNITED NATIONS AND ADVANCING MYSELF BUT ALSO GOING TO BE PRODUCTIVE.

BUT THE TIME LEFT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE BEST DEVELOPED AN ANECDOTE OF WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITIES NEEDS TO STAY AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA.

I GREW UP IN ORLANDO. I'M SURE THAT PLENTY OF YOU HAVE FAR MORE EXPERIENCE WITH FLORIDA THAN I DO WHO HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN I HAVE BEEN ALIVE.

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IT'S LIFELESS, IT'S A BIG COOKIE CUTTERS OVER.

THERE'S NO FLAVOR, THERE'S NOTHING TO IT.

I MOVED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO ST. AUGUSTINE TO COME TO COLLEGE YEAR AND I'VE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH THIS COMMUNITY.

I HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF IT, THE HISTORY, TASTES, THE PEOPLE, IT BREAKS MY HEART TO THINK THAT THERE ARE ALREADY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS BROADER ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY SUCH AS MR. HENSLEY AND MANY OTHERS WHO ARE OW SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATING HOW THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE LIVING IN THEIR HOMES.

THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STICK OUR HEADS IN THE SAND ABOUT THIS.

IT BREAKS MY HEART THAT IF WE DON'T LIKE THIS ISSUE OUR COMMUNITY, THE ONE I'VE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH WILL BE AFFECTED.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY AND I BELIEVE IT TO A FEW OF MY COMPANIONS TO EXPRESS THE SIMILAR SENTIMENT.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RECEPTIVENESS AND WE LOOK

FORWARD TO GOING FORWARD >> THANK YOU, SIR.

YES MA'AM. >> HELLO I AM HERE JUST TO SUPPORT MY PEERS HERE TODAY AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE NOT HERE TO WORK AGAINST YOU.

WE COME WITH SHARED CURIOSITY TO MAYBE NOT ONLY BE IN YOUR POSITION ONE DAY OF LEADERSHIP AND TO MAKE A POSITIVE CHANGE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE ARE REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT ST. AUGUSTINE IS NOT KNOWN AS THE OLDEST CITY BUT POSSIBLY NOT THE FIRST CITY UNDERWATER ONE DAY.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK UNTIL OUR VOICE IS HEARD BUT I URGE YOU TO RECOGNIZE OUR PASSIONS AND I BEG YOU NOT TO DISREGARD OUR VOICES BECAUSE OUR THOUGHTS AND WORDS ARE ÃI URGE YOU NOT TO DISREGARD OUR PASSIONS DUE TO OUR AGE.

IF WE ARE SHOUTING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION PLEASE REDIRECT US BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON.

SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC, COME FORWARD WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS PLEASE LET UP SO WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THE AGENDA.

>> MY NAME IS CLAY MONTANA I LIVE IN THE DORMS. LAST TIME I WAS HEAR THEIR WAS A SPECIFIC POINT MENTIONED THAT ME AND THE PEOPLE WITH ME WERE NOT BEING SPECIFIC ENOUGH AND WHAT WE WISH FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO DO SO TO CLARIFY, WE URGE THE COUNTY TO MAKE CHANGES TO A 122 SEVEN AND D 112 OF THE AMENDED 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND POINT A JANUARY 22, 1970 RIGHT THE COUNTY SHALL HAVE COURAGE ALL PRIVATE CONSTRUCTED IN THE CUP TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO MEET THE UNITED STATES GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL THE LEADERSHIP IN ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN OR RATING SYSTEM.

WHILE THIS IS A GOOD IDEA ENCOURAGES BUSINESSES TO MAKE THE STANDARDS WHAT A LITTLE TO MAKE IT A REALITY.

PART OF THE BUSINESS WILL DO ANYTHING TO CUT COSTS IF THEY DON'T SEE THE VALUE IN PERFORMING TO THE SYSTEM THEY WILL HOLD TO IT. IF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HELPS TO MAKE [INDISCERNIBLE] HOW THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND COUNCIL DECIDE TO GO ABOUT THIS WEATHERBY WITHHOLDING BUILDING PERMITS OR OFFERING MONETARY INCENTIVES BUILDINGS TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO MEET THE STANDARDS CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH TIME. AT THE VERY LEAST THE LANGUAGE IN HIS POINT WILL NEED TO BE REPORTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT OBTAINING WET CERTIFICATION AS A CONCRETE GOAL OF THE COUNTY.

FOUR POINT D112 YOU WRITE NEW PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE SO CONTINUE TO BE PLANNED AND DESIGNED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT LAND USES BOTH EXISTING AND IN FUTURE SHALL NOT [INDISCERNIBLE] OR ESL'S. THIS STATEMENT IS A CONTRADICTION UNTO ITSELF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS CURRENTLY THE EIGHTH FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE NATION AND THAT IS MAINLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LOSING SO MUCH LAND TO URBAN DEVELOPMENT. NOT DEVELOPING ESL'S ARE FINE BUT WHEN WE BARELY HAVE ANY LAND LEFT SO ALMOST UNDEVELOPED LAND BECOMES AN ESL AT THAT POINT.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE NEEDS TO BE REWARDED AND REWORKED AS SUCH. I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE PROBABLY THINKING WE ARE COLLEGE STUDENTS.

WE CAN'T JUST SHOW THREE CANS OF RED BULL AND JUDAS AND RENC. I KNOW THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND A CONCRETE POLICY MEASURE TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES BUT I UNDERSTAND THE LARGER ISSUE OF CLIMATE CHANGE CAUSED BY VERMIN SCHOOL DISTRICT AND TO ACT SUC AS THE OVERDEVELOPMENT AS LAND IS A PROBLEM IS A GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON.

I KNOW I CAN'T STOP COMING TO THESE MEETINGS UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS EVEN IF IT TAKES MONTHS.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF THE YOUNG LADY WOULD STOP BY I WOULD LIKE TO SORT OF COPY DOWN THOSE CITATIONS.

I TRIED TO COPY THEM AS SHE WAS SPEAKING BUT IF SHE COULD STOP WHILE OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SPEAKING.

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>> GOOD MORNING. I AM SHERRY LLOYD.

I LIVE AT 157 OCEAN HOLLOW LANE ST. AUGUSTINE ON VILANO AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WARM WELCOME.

THIS IS MY THIRD TIME AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A TIME OF NEED AND PREPARE FOR HUMANITY AND OUR BIRD. AND I'M SPEAKING SLOWER BECAUSE I WANT THIS TO SINK AND BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE USED TO. IN THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR EARTH.

SO OUR REQUEST IS THAT YOU PUT ALL UNDEVELOPED LAND INTO THE CONSERVATION. EXTREME AND ITS TYPICAL FOR ALL OF US TO HAVE RESISTANCE THAT IS VERY TYPICAL.

IF WE COULD JUST STOP ALL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, IN 10 YEARS WE WOULD FEEL SO GOOD. WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO HAT'S HAPPENING WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NEWS OF GOOD SOURCES PPF, IF YOU WANT A CLEAR CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION A CLEAR SOURCE OF UNBIASED INFORMATION.

JUST YOU RECEIVED THE FAX. IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE NEWS THIS PAST WEEK, VENNIS IS UNDER SIEGE FROM ALL THE WATERS. THAT STRIKES ME PERSONALLY BECAUSE I WAS JUST THERE TWO YEARS AGO AND I LOVED IT.

I TOOK A WATER TAXI TO THE AIRPORT AND IT WAS SO MUCH FUN.

THAT'S WHY WE LIVE HERE. WE LOVE THE WATER.

AND, OF COURSE, THEY ARE JUST A BUNCH OF SMALL ISLANDS.

SADLY I DON'T SEE MUCH HOPE FOR THEM, BUT THAT IS THE WRITING ON THE WALL.F YOU LOOK ALL AROUND THE WORLD, INSPIRES AND FLOODING. THE NATURAL DISASTERS HAVE RISEN SO UCH AND THEY ARE MUCH MORE SEVERE.

SO WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR NATURAL LAND, NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO WE NEED TO RESTORE AND WE HEARD TWO GREAT SPEAKERS HERE, AND I WANT TO BRING UP THE DECREASE AGAIN.

THAT'S WHERE THE WONDERFUL FOCUS COULD BE IS TAKE OUR ENERGY, TAKE OUR RESOURCES AND LET'S SAY WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE ARE VULNERABLE BY BEING RIGHT NEXT TO THE TO BE LEADERS JOHNS COUNTY IS TO ELIMINATE SINGLE PLASTIC USE.

THE AMPHITHEATER IS DOING THAT SO THE GROUNDWORK IS ALREADY BEING LAID DOWN. THERE'S A GREAT MOVEMENT, THE SUNRISE MOVEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND THEY ARE GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE POLITICAL ELECTIONS, AND THE SEATS HAVE BEEN TURNING OVER FOR PEOPLE WHO TRULY CARE ABOUT ALL PEOPLE IN THE ART. IT IS HAPPENING.

THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD HAPPENING, AND I INVITE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY TO ENJOY ALL THE GOOD.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE HAD TWO PODIUMS SO IF THERE'S OTHERS PLEASE COME ON UP.

>> GOOD MORNING. I LIVE AT 144 KING ST.

APARTMENT 3. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US OUT. I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE LAST TIME I RECEIVED A RESPONSE THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAD BEEN UPDATED. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT SUCH THINGS LIKE WHAT EXACTLY MEASURES YOU HAVE BEEN TAKING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE CLIENTS.

AND I ALSO WANT TO SHARE AN EXPERIENCE I HAD YESTERDAY.

I WAS AT THE CORE ZONE ON OGDEN STREET.

AND THERE WAS A COMPLETE FLOODING OF BRIDGE STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF WASHINGTON STREET AND IT WASN'T EVEN RAINING YESTERDAY. AND I KNOW IT'S KING TIES BUT THERE WAS A TROLLEY AND THEY SAID THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODING AND ITS RECLAIMED SALT MARSH THAT IS JUST ONE EXAM FULL OF WHAT HAPPENS THE DEVASTATING EFFECTS OF SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN WE NEED THE SYSTEMS TO BE PROTECTED AND THE MORE WE DEVELOP IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN IGNORE.

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I THINK THAT'S SHOCKING. SO IF WE COULD HAVE YES MA'AM.

MY NAME IS SHYLA I LIVE AT 650 W. POLK RD.

AND I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE APARTMENT TO ISSUES OF WITNESS AND ST. AUGUSTINE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

BEAUTIFUL CITIES IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE RELY ON TOURISM AND ARE KNOWN FROM HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARCHITECTURE SCENERY AND BEACHES.

IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN PHYSICAL CHANGES TO OUR CITY AND COASTLINES WILL BE ON THE FRONT LINES OF THIS CRISIS AND FEEL SOME OF THE FIRST IMPACTS OF FLOODING. ADDITIONALLY PLASTIC POLLUTION AND ST. AUGUSTINE BEACHES HAS BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE.

SINGLE USE PRACTICE FIND THEIR WAY TO THE BEACH AND ARE LEFT FOR THE TIDE TO BRING THEM BACK INTO THE OCEAN.

THE AVERAGE PLASTIC BAG TO PICK UP AT THE GROCERY STORE OR CARRIER TAKE OUT AND HAS AN AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF 12 MINUTES.

THE CLOCK SEWAGE AND STORM DRAINS AND TABLE AND KILLED AN ESTIMATED 100,000 MARINE ANIMALS PER YEAR AND DEGENERATE INTO TOXIC MICRO-CLASSICS THAT FESTER IN OUR OCEANS.

WE ARE EATING SWALLOWING AND BREATHING UP TO 2000 TINY PIECES OF PLASTIC EACH WEEK EQUAL TO THE WEIGHT AND ONE CREDIT CARD COMING FROM A CITY THAT DEPENDS ON SEAFOOD YOU THINK WE WOULD BE MORE CONSCIOUS OF OUR HABITS SINCE IT AFFECTS OUR HEALTH AS WELL. OTHER COUNTRIES LOOK UP TO THE UNITED STATES SO WE NEED TO SET AN EXAMPLE AND LEAD THE WAY OF THIS REVOLUTION. ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES HAVE BECOME SO POLITICAL WHEN THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO SIDES TAKEN.

WE NEED TO LISTEN TO SCIENTISTS AND BE OPEN TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY BECAUSE THE FUTURE OF ALL GENERATIONS RELIES ON OUR SHOULDERS. AND CHANGE IS HARD.

WE HAVE BEEN SO USED TO OUR LIFESTYLES AND WE HAVE COME SO DEPENDENT ON THE WAYS WE LIVE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE POLICIES CANNOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AND THEY NEED MUCH THOUGHT PUT INTO THEM. WHEN OUR BEACHES RIVERS AND ENTIRE ECOSYSTEMS ARE BEING POLLUTED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN BARELY RECOVER, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY WE LIVE ON THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL TODAY. WHETHER IT'S LIKE GETTING A BRENDA FIELDS OR OR BY TAKING SHORTER SHOWERS.

SO HARRY HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND SOLUTIONS.

ALL WE NEED TO DO IS WAKE UP AND CHANGE.

BEFORE I LEAVE, I WANT EVERYONE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO THEMSELVES BRIDGE I WANT TO BE ON THE RIGHT OR WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? MR. CHAIRMAN, SAYING NONE, I

MOVE A CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

[Consent Agenda]

>> MR. JOHNS: NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> MR. WALDRON: NONE. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?>

MR. BLOCKER: NONE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> MR. DEAN: NONE. >> ALL RIGHT.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[Regular Agenda]

>> WE DID HAVE ONE RED FOLDER ITEM IF WE COULD ADD TO THE AGENDA. RECEIPT OF UNANTICIPATED

REVENUE FOR FIELD OF DREAMS. >> WE WILL ADD AN ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 12, TITLE IT FIELD OF DREAMS, ADDITIONAL REVENUE A RED FOLDER ITEM. THANK YOU.NYTHING ELSE?

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER >> NASSER

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN >> NON-ÁCUSTOMÁ ADMINISTRATION?

>> NO SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.

SEEING THIS WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WITH THE ADDITION OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.

WHAT SOME OF THE REGULAR AGENDA WITH THE ADDITION OF ITEM 12

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE

[Item 1]

REGULAR AGENDA. >> GOOD MORNING.

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>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS I AM RODDY COOPER AND THE COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND I HAVE TWO GIVE THE BOARD AN UPDATE ON THE PLAN AND STUDY FINDINGS AND THE NEXT STEPS.

BEFORE I GET STARTED I JUST WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW WE HAVE ÃI HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM DIFFERENT GROUPS. I RECEIVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE EAST COAST GREENWAY ALLIANCE.

THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER SEA LOOP ALLIANCE THE FLORIDA BICYCLE ASSOCIATION THE FRIENDS OF THE A1A THE NORTH FLORIDA BICYCLE CLUB AND THE VILANO BEACH MAIN ST., INCORPORATED.

IN ADDITION TO THAT I RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS AT THE RIVER TO SEA LOOP AND WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE THAT BEFORE I START MY PRESENTATION TO YOU. ALSO I HAVE HERE WITH ME A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION BARNEY BENNETT. HE WORKS ON THE RIVER TO SEA LOOP PROJECTS AND OTHER TRAVEL PROJECTS FOR THE DOT AND I HAVE DAVID KEMP WITH HANSEN ENGINEERING WHO WAS THE CONSULTANT FOR ME ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS CARL WHO WORKS FOR HANSEN ON THIS PROJECT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION HEATHER NOBLE WITH ROOM PLANNING. SHE HAS HELPED ME TREMENDOUSLY WITH THIS PROJECT AS WELL. SO NOW I WILL GO INTO THE PRESENTATION. WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HERE ÃST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP I WANT TO GIVE BACKGROUND SOME PLANNING AND STUDY FINDINGS THAT WE RECEIVED.

I MENTIONED THE FUNDING AND ALSO MENTIONED SOME BOARD ACTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST OF THE BOARD TODAY, IF I COULD.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS STUDY IT FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS NOW, SO WE ARE DOWN AT THE END AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A GOOD SUMMARY TO YOU GUYS AND TELL YOU WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT.UT FIRST OFF I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND CHRONOLOGICALLY. FROM 2008, FIVE COUNTIES ADOPTED THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP AS A REGIONAL LOOP.

HE FIVE COUNTIES ARE OBVIOUSLY ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLAGLER COUNTY, VOLUSIA COUNTY, BREVARD COUNTY AND PUTNAM

COUNTY. >> 2013, THE COUNTY ADOPTED ST.

JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP AS A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY PROJECT AND THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES.

2014, THE SHARED USE NONMOTORIZED SON TRAIL FUND WAS ENACTED BY THE STATE LEGISLATION.

ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE FIVE-COUNTY SUPPORT, THAT WILL GIVE US A TRAIL THAT'S ABOUT 260 MILES LONG THAT CONTINUOUS LOOP CONTINUOUS FIVE COUNTIES.

2016 TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. THE RIVER TO SEA LOOP WOULD BE THE SECOND PRIORITY. THUS THE MONEY USED TO DO THE STUDY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AND 2018 APPROXIMATE 26 MILE STUDY BEGAN. SO ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP IS A 40 MILE PLAN CORRIDOR AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP THERE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT THAT JUST CAME ABOUT FROM EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT IT SEVERAL YEARS AGO. TODAY WE HAVE COMPLETED 14 MILES OF THE TRAIL OVER IN THE GREEN AREA RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S COMPLETED TODAY.

AND THE OTHER AREAS ARE THE AREAS WE PROVIDED THE STUDY FOUR. THE SAINT AUGUSTINE RAIL TRAIL IS THE PORTION IS COMPLETED IN THE SPRING OF 2013 ADDITIONAL FORMAL SECTION WAS OPEN. IN 2018, THE GAP THAT WAS FULL ÃTHERE WAS A GAP BETWEEN PALATKA AND ST. AUGUSTINE.

THERE WAS A GAP IN THE TRAIL THAT JUST OPENED IN 2018 AND TWO ADDITIONAL TRAILHEADS THAT PROVIDED RESTROOMS AND DRINKING WATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE TRAIL.

SO THE STUDY THAT WE DID HERE WAS FOR THE PROPOSED 20 SIX MILE CT. OR IN 2017 THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE SUPPORT OF FDOT PLANNING STUDY TO ESTABLISH THE NEW ALIGNMENT TO ACTUALLY LOOK MORE IN DEPTH OF WHAT WE CAN GET GOING FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY. OF THINGS.

I'VE SEEN THE TRIAL HIGHLIGHTS THE EXISTING TRAIL WE HAVE AND THE FIRST PHOTOGRAPH IS A PICTURE THAT I TOOK PROBABLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ON A SATURDAY WHEN I WENT TO TAKE A

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THERE WERE PROBABLY ABOUT 30 OR 40 VEHICLES THERE AT THE TIME SO I JUST WANT TO SHOW THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE USING THE TRAIL. THE SECOND PHOTO IS TRAIL ON MAIN ST. IN HASTINGS WHEN WE DID THE RIBBON-CUTTING BACK IN APRIL. IT HAD PRETTY GOOD SUPPORT ADDED IN THE LAST PHOTO IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WERE FEATURED IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE SOCIAL MAGAZINE AND THE TRAIL WAS FEATURED IN THAT AS WELL. SO THE PLANNING STUDY THAT WE DID SINCE I MENTIONED IT WAS A 26 MILE SECTION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WE KIND OF BROKE IT INTO FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS AND THAT'S BEFORE AREAS SHOWN ON THE MAP RIGHT HERE.

TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO LOOK AT BECAUSE 26 MILES IS DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT SO WE BROKE IT INTO FOUR SECTIONS SO THE CONSULTANT CAN LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY AND GET A BETTER IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH AREA.

WE HAD THE PRINCIPLES WE HAVE THERE WHICH WAS COLLABORATION WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS AND WE TALKED WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE HAD WITH THE CITIES THAT WERE INVOLVED, AND ALSO THE ANASTASIA PARK AND PART OF THE STUDY ALSO IS TO INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT INTERACTION WHICH WE WERE DOING AS PART OF THE PLANNING STUDY THIS TIME. IN THE TRAIL DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES THE CENTRAL GUIDANCE PART OF THE GUIDANCE WAS ACTUALLY BREAKING IT INTO FOUR SECTIONS WE COULD LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY AND GET A BETTER IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH AREA. THE OTHER CENTRAL GUIDELINES ARE TRAIL NEEDS TO BE SEPARATED 10 TO 12 FOOT TRAIL WE NEED TO TRY TO UTILIZE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE WE CAN'T KEEP FROM HAVING TO PURCHASE NEW RIGHT-OF-WAY.

TRY TO LOOK AT PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE MANY CURB CUTS, DRIVEWAYS, JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE BEST AREAS WE COULD PUT A SEPARATED TRAIL AND TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR FOLKS AND PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO USE THE TRAIL.

SO MAXIMIZE POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. CONNECT TO SOCIAL RECREATION SO WHEN YOU TRY TO LOOK AT THE TRAIL ITSELF, WHAT ARE THE AREAS THAT PEOPLE MAY WANT TO TRY TO GET TO WHEN THEY TRIED TO COME UP WITH A NEW ONE. SUCH AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE BEACHES.

WE HAVE THE BEACHES AND THE PARKS AND MUSEUMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE POSITIVES WE TRY TO LOOK FOR WHEN LOOKING AT THE TRAIL AS WELL.

THE PLANNING TASKS PEOPLE HAVE WITH REVIEW ALTERNATIVES FOR THE TRAIL THE MAP I JUST SHOWED YOU THAT HAVE THE COLORS THERE WERE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT LOOK DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT QUARTERS LOOKED AT DURING THE STUDY.

PART OF THE STUDY WAS TO DO AN EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT FOR THOSE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES AND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT SAYS. WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY WITH LOOK AT TRAFFIC VOLUMES TRAFFIC SPEEDS, NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET EXISTING CONDITIONS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ROUTE WOULD BE BEST TO PICK AND USE AND THE PURPOSE AND NEED STATEMENT ONE OF THE MAIN PURPOSES OF THE STUDY WAS TO FILL IN THE GAP IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY OF THE TRAIL FOR THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP.

ANOTHER MAIN PURPOSE OF THE STUDY IS TO HAVE OUR PORTION DONE AND BE AN INTEGRAL PART TO COUNTY SECTION TO THE LOOP.

SO WE WANT TO TRY AND GET THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S KNOWN AS A PURPOSE BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PURPOSES IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS TRAIL IS TO BE USED BY MULTIPLE TYPES OF PEOPLE. DIFFERENT AGES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF RECREATION IS ONE THING, BUT ALSO TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THIS CAN BE USED AS A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION FOR A LOT OF FOLKS TO GET TO AND FROM WORK, TO GET TO AND FROM THE BEACHES FOR TAURUS, TOURISTS CAN USE US TO GO TO DIFFERENT ITEMS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. WE HAVE THE FORT DOWN SOUTH ON A1A. WE HAVE ALL OF THE AMENITIES OF THE BEACHES AND THE THINGS THAT THE CITY AND WE HAVE A RURAL SECTION OF WEST IS A NICE RIDE TO TAKE AS WELL.

SO ONE OF THE MAIN PURPOSES THAT I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW IS WE CONSIDER TRAIL AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SYSTEM CAN JUST IN THE AMENITY FOR RECREATION. IT'S A VITAL ROLE FOR TRANSPORTATION. AND ANOTHER PART OF THE STUDY TASK WAS TO GET JURISDICTIONAL COORDINATION.

AND THAT INCLUDED THE LOCAL JURISDICTION IN PRIVATE LANDOWNERS THAT WE MET WITH DURING THE STUDY.

WE HAD PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WE NEEDED TO DO SO WE HAD TO PUBLIC MEETINGS. I THINK ONE IN JUNE AND ONE LAST MONTH TO GET INFORMATION AND WE HAVE SURVEYS OF THIS PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GET INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WAS AIRED TO SEE WHAT THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS FOR.

WE HAD EVERYTHING LISTED ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE AND A WEBSITE SET UP FOR THE RIVER TO SEA LOOP FOR PEOPLE TO ADD COMMENTS AND LOOK AND SEE OUR STATUS AND WHAT WE DONE SO FAR. AND THEN WE ALSO GIVE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE MEETINGS AND WE RECEIVED PROBABLY OVERWHELMINGLY 99

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PEOPLE WANTING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.

THEY WANT TO SEE THE TRAIL DONE AT ONE TIME BUT THAT'S NOT A REALITY. SO BASED ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS I MENTIONED BEFORE WE CAME UP WITH THE FINAL ALIGNMENT RECOMMENDATION. I WANT TO POINT OUT THE BLACK SECTION RIGHT HERE, THAT'S THE EXISTING TRAIL RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE TRAIL ENDS ON BURMA HEIGHTS.

LOOK AT GOING NORTH THE FINAL ALIGNMENT WE CHOSE IT WAS BASICALLY THE ORANGE SECTION GOES IN TO 214 COMES INTO WEST AUGENSTEIN ON KING STREET AND THEN GOES IN KING STREET ACROSS THE BRIDGE ALLIANCE DOWN ANASTASIA BOULEVARD OR STATE ROAD A1A AND ONE OF THE EXCITING THINGS WE HAVE THERE WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE STATE PARK AND WE MET WITH THOSE FOLKS AND THEY SEEM INTERESTED IN LETTING US GO INTO THE STATE PARK AND THEN COME OUT AND GO DOWN BEACH A1A AT ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE HIT STATE ROAD A1A THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES TO TAKE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY ROAD THAT GOES DOWN TO FLAGLER COUNTY LINE.

SO THIS COMPLETES THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER SEA LOOP NORTH FOR THE COUNTY AND IS A BEING APPROXIMATELY 31 MILES OVERALL.

IT PROVIDES CONNECTIVITY TO THE DESIRED DESTINATIONS, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. OBVIOUSLY, EVERYONE LIKES TO GO TO THE CITY AND EVERYBODY LIKES TO GO TO THE BEACH.

LOTS OF FOLKS LIKE GOING TO THE PARK AND IT HAS RURAL SECTIONS PEOPLE WANT TO WRITE LONGER DISTANCES THAT'S PRETTY GOOD AS WELL. WE TRY TO FOCUS ON USING EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY WHEREVER POSSIBLE, BUT I MENTIONED THIS WAS 31 MILES SO IS NACVE TO THINK WE COULD FIND 31 MILES OF RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR US FOR US TO HAVE THE TRAIL IN BUT THIS HIGH-LEVEL VIEW GIVES A PRETTY GOOD ROUTE THAT WE CHOSE RIGHT THERE KNOWING AS WE GET INTO BREAKING INTO THE PROJECT AND GET INTERFACES WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK MORE IN DEPTH AT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE GOT THERE.

AND ALSO, THIS TRAIL ALIGNMENT ALIGNS WITH THE JURISDICTIONAL AGENCY PLANNING STUDIES, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH HAVE DIFFERENT STUDIES THEY HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS AND THIS LINES UP RIGHT WITH WHAT THEY WERE WANTING TO DO AS WELL.

AND I THINK I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY AND INCORPORATES THE SCENE SEGMENT WITHIN ANASTASIA STATE PARK WHICH IS A VERY GOOD SECTION RIGHT THROUGH THERE BECAUSE BARRY WANTED IN A NICE PLACE TO GO 2 TO VISIT. IF WE GET THE TRAIL THROUGH THERE IT WILL BE A NICE RIDE OVER IN THAT SECTION IN BETWEEN TWO URBAN SECTIONS AS WELL. AND SOME OF THE DASHED LINES THAT ARE SHOWN THROUGH HERE, THAT'S REALLY JUST A SECONDARY ROUTE WE LOOKED AT THAT COULD BE GOOD IN THE FUTURE TO USE, WHICH YOU COULD SEE COULD MAKE A LOOP AROUND THE CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE AS WELL. AND WHAT THIS DOES, THIS PROVIDES US THE ABILITY TO PURSUE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO GET MOVING ON MORE P.D. AND E AND DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. SO SHARED USE NONMOTORIZED TRAIL FUND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP AS A TOP TO PRIORITY OF DOT.

THERE'S ONLY TWO TRAILS AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVANTAGE MOVING FORWARD AND THE DEDICATED FUND APPROPRIATION FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW IS $24 MILLION A YEAR AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND OTHER COUNTIES PROVIDED LETTERS OF SUPPORT RESULTING IN THE SELECTION OF ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP IS ONE OF THE PARTY PROJECTS. OF THE $24 MILLION YEAR IS PROVIDED FOR TRAILS, $8 MILLION OF IT IS PROVIDED JUST FOR THE USE ON ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP PROJECTS.

SO THAT'S A THIRD OF IT IS JUST DEDICATED FOR ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP AND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2016 AND THE FOLKS DOWN IN VOLUSIA COUNTY HAVE BEEN GOING HARD ON IT SINCE 2016 SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT THE KEY THING TO NOTE RIGHT THERE IS THERE'S ANY MILLION-DOLLAR CHUNK IS JUST FOR THIS TRAIL ONLY AND THE REST OF THE MONEY AND THEN THERE'S $8 MILLION THAT GOES TO THE COAST-TO-COAST TRAIL THAT I JUST MENTIONED AND THEN THERE'S AN $8 MILLION FOR EVERYONE TO COMPETE WITH ON ANY OF THE TRAILS THAT ARE ON A PRIORITY LIST.

SO THE SUN FUND REQUIREMENTS IS ONE JURISDICTION.

JURISDICTIONAL ADOPTION OF THE PREFERRED ALIGNMENT AND THE ALIGNMENT THAT I SHOWED ON THEIR NEEDS TO HAVE AN ADOPTION THAT EVERYONE AGREES TO IT. AGREED TO FUTURE MAINTENANCE BY LOCAL JURISDICTION AGENCIES AND THAT'S BASICALLY ANY AGENCY THAT'S WANTING TO HAVE THE TRAIL GO TO THEIR NEEDS TO AGREE TO MAINTAIN THAT SECTION. AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS AND ONE OF THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY IS WE CAN APPLY FOR THE SUN FUND BY JURISDICTIONAL AGENCIES AND THE APPLICATIONS

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THE 31 MILES THAT I MENTIONED I PROBABLY SOUND LIKE AN AUCTIONEER BECAUSE IF YOU LIKE A MOVING FAST, THE ESTIMATED COST OF CONSTRUCTION WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY $36 MILLION TO COME UP WITH THAT WE USE THINK IT'S ONE POINT $2 MILLION PER MILE THE STATE USES ÃWHEN LOOKING AT FUNDING TRAIL PROJECTS. SO THAT'S A WHY I TOLD YOU WE CAN GET THAT KIND OF MONEY ALL AT ONE TIME.

OUR JURISDICTIONAL PARTNERS ON THIS PARTICULAR TRAIL ARE THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PROTECTION FOR THE STATE PARK PROGRAM WITH ANASTASIA PARK WILL COME INTO PLAY. AND WE HAVE MET WITH ALL OF THESE FOLKS. WE'VE ALSO HAD JURISDICTIONAL DEPARTMENT MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.

SO ONE OF THE BIG THINGS EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT, IS WHAT PORTION DO WE NEED TO PAY FROM THE COUNTY IF WE GET ANY OF THAT $36 MILLION TO HELP STRUGGLING AND MASSIVE FUTURE MAINTENANCE. SINCE WE HAVE TO AGREE TO DO THE MAINTENANCE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE. SO THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE COSTS RANGE FROM THE RURAL AROUND $1000 PER MILE TO SOMETIMES IN THE URBAN SECTIONS UP TO $4000 PER MILE, AND IT'S REALLY BECAUSE OUT THE RURAL AREAS YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE ON THE TRAIL BECAUSE IN THE URBAN AREA THERE WILL BE TOURISTS AND EVERYTHING JUST ON A DAY-TO-DAY USE.

BECAUSE IT WILL BE USED SECONDARY AS A SIDEWALK.

SO AT THE COMPLETION OF 31 MILE PROJECT AND EXPECTED ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COST OF UP TO $224,000 YEAR COULD BE LOOKED AT. PROBABLY KIND OF MADE A MISTAKE HERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE MAXIMUM AND WANTED TO GET THE BOARD OR THE MAXIMUM NUMBER WOULD BE WHICH IS $124,000 A YEAR BUT THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING THAT THE ENTIRE TRAIL IS URBAN FOR THE 31 MILES IT'S A MIXTURE OF SUBURBAN AND RURAL. SO THE HUNDRED $24,000 ÃMY POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT IS ON SHOWING THAT WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO GET 36 MILLION TO BUILD THE TRAIL WITH AN INVESTMENT OF AT A MAXIMUM OF 124,000 TO MAINTAIN IT PER YEAR. THAT WAS MY GOAL YEAR.

BUT WE DID ÃWE Ã >> I DON'T WANT TO FORGET THIS.

I WANT TO GIVE RODNEY A CHANCE TO CATCH HIS BREATH

>> THANK YOU. >> AND ON THIS POINT, THE 124,000, IS THAT THE TOTAL AND IF SO WHAT PART OF THAT IS THE COUNTIES RESPONSE ABILITY BECAUSE A LARGE PORTION OF THE STRUGGLES BETWEEN ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AND THE STATE PARK. AM I MAKING SENSE?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND? >> YES YOU MAKE SENSE.

>> SOME OF US RURAL AND SOME OF ITS SUBURBAN.

WAS THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT SO I KNOW WHAT IT IS OUR MAXIMUM, OF CONTRIBUTION AND MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL

COME DOWN TO. >> LIKE COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE HAS A PORTION THREE OR FOUR MILES SECTION AND THEIRS WILL BE THE HIGHER COST BECAUSE THAT'S 4000 PER MILE. IT'S GOING TO BE A $16,000 SECTION. RIGHT NOW THE PORTION IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH RUNS ALONG THE BEACH.

THE PORTION WOULD STILL BE OURS.

IT'S A SECTION TO GO TO MICHAEL ROAD AND COME OVER TO EIGHTH STREET WHICH WE APPORTION IT WHICH IS PROBABLY LESS THAN A MILE SO THAT'S ANOTHER 4000. SO OUT OF THIS 124,000 WHICH IS A MAXIMUM, AND I AM TALKING RURAL ÃI MEAN URBAN WHICH I KIND OF MESSED UP. ROUGHLY LIKE 100,000 WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM PRAYER WE WOULD HAVE TO USE.

BUT ONE EXAMPLE IS IF WE GO OUT TO OVER WHERE THE NORTH TRAIL ENDS RIGHT NOW, AND WE DO THAT SECTION, THAT WOULD BE THE LOW DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $1000 PER MILE.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET A BUNCH OF MILES FROM DOT AT ONE TIME.

IF WE GOT A FIVE MILE SECTION ARE THERE TO DESIGN AND BUILD IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THAT WOULD BE AROUND THE RANGE OF $5000 PER MILE.SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT WAYS AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT TO GET ÃWHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT MONEY? WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY IMMEDIATELY. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO APPLICATIONS AND HOPE TO GET A PROJECT FROM DOT.

SO WE HAVE 2 TO 3 YEARS TO PLAN AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN GET THE MONEY FROM TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANT TO TRY AND GET SOME GENERAL FUNDS WHETHER TO USE TGF.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THIS SECTION OF ROADWAY ÃOF TRAIL IS A TOURIST ÃIT'S A POSITIVE FOR TOURISM AS WELL SO WE CAN USE THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FUNDS AS WELL SINCE

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SO DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE WE CAN PLAN AND LOOK FOR THOSE COSTS IN THE FUTURE. WE DON'T NEED THEM TODAY BUT THAT GIVES US A TALKING POINT WHERE WE COULD BE LOOKING FOR

THE MONEY. >> DO WE HAVE A RANGE OF WHAT WOULD BE THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COST TO THIS COUNTY?

>> SO HANSEN ÃTHEY LOOK AT THE RANGE WOULD BE THE COST FOR US WITH THE MIXTURE OF A RURAL SUBURBAN AND URBAN AND IS PROBABLY AROUND 75 TO 77,000 A YEAR.

THAT'S AT FULL BUILDOUT. >> THANK YOU.HAT'S WHAT I

WANTED TO KNOW. >> THAT'S YEARS TO COME.

SO MY THIRD BULLET THERE IS THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE RESPECTIVE JURISDICTION AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH APPROVED A RESOLUTION NOVEMBER 4 TO ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE'S COMMISSION APPROVED A RESOLUTION NOVEMBER 12 AND JUST LIKE I WAS TRYING TO MENTION THEY ARE CURRENTLY DONOR PROJECTS WORK SCHEDULED FOR FUNDS AT THIS TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS JUST BASICALLY THE PLAN OF STUDY, THE HIGH-LEVEL PLANNING STUDY. SO THE MAIN REASON FOR ME BEING HERE TODAY IS TO GIVE YOU THIS UPDATE AND ASK THE BOARD TO LOOK AT IT, ADOPT A PREFERRED ALIGNMENT THAT I WENT OVER AND THE COMPLEMENTARY ROUTE OF RESOLUTION AGREED TO ACCEPT FUTURE MAINTENANCE AND CERTIFY THE COUNTY IS A WILLING MAINTENANCE MANAGER AND THEN SO DIRECT ME AND THE STAFF TO APPLY FOR PROJECT FUNDING IN THE FUTURE FOR DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF THE TRAIL. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAD TO GIVE YOU GUYS AS AN UPDATE AND ASK YOU TO LOOK A THESE BOARD ACTIONS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL. NUMBER ONE, WHEN ÃI GUESS YOU HAVE BROKEN DOWN NOW WHAT THOSE COSTS WERE IN REGARD TO JURISDICTION, BUT IT'S STILL A LITTLE FOGGY.

YOU SAID ÃTHAT'S GOOD. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AT SOME FUTURE POINT, THE OTHER THING IS WHAT ARE THE COSTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. $75-$77,000, WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? I AM TRYING TO ENVISION WHAT IS THIS GOING TO BE? IS THIS AN ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON THE SIDE? IS THIS ACQUISITION OF RIGHT AWAY AND THEN MAINTAINING ASPHALT OR DO WE HAVE SIGNAGE? WHAT IS IT WHERE THOSE COSTS ARE INCLUSIVE? SO MAINTENANCE IS THE MAINTAINING THE SIGNAGE, MOWING AND PICKING UP LITTER, TREE TRIMMING, MAINTENANCE OF THE TRAIL ITSELF, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU SAID.

THOSE ARE ALL PART OF IT. NOT OBTAINING THE RIGHT AWAY.

THAT WOULD BE IN THE DESIGN SECTION.

SO TYPICAL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES THAT WE PERFORMED TODAY ON SIDEWALK PROJECTS AND WHAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FROM THIS VIEW SINCE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL 31 MILES IS MOST PLACES ALONG THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR ALREADY MOWING AND PICKING UP LITTER AND WE ARE ALREADY DOING TREE TRIMMING AND DOING SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

THERE'S A DELTA THERE THAT'S BUILT IN WITH ADDING THE TRAIL WHICH MEANS WHAT I'M SAYING THERE IS WHEN YOU HAVE THE TRAILER WE ARE ALREADY DOING MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, THE NEW ACTIVITY WOULD BE ANY PATCHING THAT WOULD COME IN THE FUTURE AS THE TRAIL STARTS TO AGE AND THEN RESURFACING.

THERE'S A RESURFACING 1520 YEARS DOWN THE LINE AND THE RESURFACING CURRENTLY THE SUN DOES ALLOW YOU TO APPLY FOR RESURFACING AS WELL ON PROJECTS.

SO PROVIDED IS AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE WERE DOING THE BIGGER MAINTENANCE WHICH THE BIGGER

MAINTENANCE IS THE RESURFACING. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> MR. JOHNS: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

VERY WELL DONE. I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE THE MESSENGER OF GOOD NEWS FOR THIS TRAIL.

>> YES, HOPEFULLY. >> MR. JOHNS: I SUPPORT THE TRAIL FOR ALL THE POSITIVE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN ESPOUSED BY YOU AND ALL OF THE OTHER GROUPS.

I HAVE ASKED STAFF INDIVIDUALLY AND PUBLICLY AT THIS MEETING TO INCLUDE THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL REQUESTS BECAUSE WE ARE EFFECTIVELY KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

YOU ARE RIGHT WE PROBABLY HAVE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S BUILT FOR ANY SUBSTANTIAL MAJOR MAINTENANCE BUT IF I BUY A HOME, AND I DON'T HAVE FUNDS TO RUN THE WATER, ELECTRICITY, CLEAN THE HOUSE OR PAY THE MORTGAGE, WHAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE IS IT GOING TO BE IN A RELATIVELY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME FOR ANYBODY THAT COMES OVER? WE CHASTISED THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR FORCING UNFUNDED MANDATES ON US.

ANYTIME WE RECOMMEND FOR ALL THE GOOD REASONS AND THE GOOD INTENTIONS AND THE POSITIVE EXPERIENCES CAPITAL EXPENSE WILL PROVIDE WITHOUT THE OPERATION OF MAINTENANCE COSTS INCLUDED WITH A SOURCE OF THAT FUNDING WHEN IT STARTS AT

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WE ARE DOING OUR COMMUNITY A DISSERVICE AND UNREASONABLE EXPECTATION TO PROVIDE A FANTASTIC PLACE WITHOUT PROVIDING THE SOURCE TO MAINTAIN THAT FANTASTIC EXPERIENCE FOR AS LONG AS WE ARE EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE IN PERPETUITY. I HAVE ASKED PREVIOUSLY OF STAFF AND I WILL ASK OF THE BOARD THAT WE KNOW LONGER ALLOW CAPITAL EXPENSES TO BE REQUESTED OF STAFF FROM THE BOARD WITHOUT INCLUDING A SOURCE OF FUNDING.

I REALIZE IT CAN CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE RECEIVED GRANT FUNDING. THAT CAN BE UNANTICIPATED REVENUE TO AUGMENT OR REPLACE CURRENT TAXPAYER BUDGETED MONEY. WE ALREADY HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THIS PATH CONSTRUCTED.

WHERE'S THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION IN OUR BUDGET FOR THE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED PATH? THAT'S NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THAT IS IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET.

>> SO THE CURRENT PATH TODAY IS ON AN ABANDONED RAIL TRAIL.E DON'T MAINTAIN THAT PORTION. THAT PORTION IS MAINTAINED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WHICH IS DONE OUT OF THE RAVINE'S GARDENS SESSION IN PALATKA.

THE PORTION IS BUILT TODAY FROM THE SOUTH AND UPTO VERMONT HEIGHTS IS NO COST TO THE COUNTY.

>> I KNEW THERE WAS NO CONSTRUCTION COST I WAS TOLD WE WERE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN IT. YOU ARE TELLING US THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION COSTS

>> ON THE TRAIL, ÃON THE EXISTING TRAIL WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAINTENANCE COSTS AND NO CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THE TWO TRAILHEADS THAT WERE BUILT THE RESTROOM FACILITIES BOTH OF THOSE ARE MAINTAINED BY PARKS AND RECREATION WE

>> WE HAVE MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED

>> FOR THE TRAILHEADS >> IT'S A PART OF THE TRAIL

SYSTEM >> IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRAIL YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT.

>> THE ONE THING TO POINT OUT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT $36 MILLION IN STRICTLY FOR TRAIL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IT DOES NOT INCLUDE BEING ABLE TO BUILD AMENITIES LIKE TRAILHEADS, PARK BENCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WAS FUNDED SEPARATELY THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE SON TRAIL BUT IT IS AN ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE THAT WE DID TAKE OUT FROM THE COUNTY, FOR THE

TRAILHEADS. >> STAFF DOES A FANTASTIC JOB OF FINDING SOURCES OF FUNDING TO BUILD THINGS.INCERELY APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY AND THE COLLABORATION WITH SOURCES OF FUNDING, STATE, FEDERAL, LOCAL, THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT MANY SWEAT ACTIVITIES, EQUITY DOWN THEIR OWN CHOICE THEIR OWN TIME THAT EFFORT IS WHAT MAKES ST.

JOHNS COUNTY NUMBER ONE. I WANT TO HOLD OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT WE SAY.

WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE RAIL AGAINST THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR MANDATES WE CANNOT BE DOING THE SAME THINGS TO OURSELVES AND WE EFFECTIVELY ARE.

I DON'T WANT TO CARVE OUT THE TRAIL FROM THE AMENITIES OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO CALL IT WHEN IT COMES TO RESTROOMS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT HELPS TO PROVIDE THE TOTAL EXPERIENCE AND EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE ONCE IT'S BUILT IS EXPECTED TO BE MAINTAINED.

AND I WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE A SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE INCLUDED AT WHATEVER POINT IS APPROPRIATE BEFORE THE FUNDING IS ASKED OF FIVE BOARD MEMBERS AND WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER GROUPS JOYFULLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE APPROVAL WITH NO BUDGETED SOURCE OF MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT. AND THEN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION WE WILL HAVE LATER ABOUT HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE PARKING LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE A SOURCE OF FUNDING BOAT RAMPS THAT DON'T HAVE AN ADEQUATE SOURCE OF FUNDING.

PLAYGROUNDS THAT DON'T HAVE Ã AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

I CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE SINS OF THE PAST BUT I CAN HOLD MYSELF ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ITEMS I VOTE FOR.

I WANT TO VOTE FOR THIS BUT I EXPECT STAFF TO PROVIDE A SOURCE OF FUNDING MOVING FORWARD FOR ANY CAPITAL EXPENSES THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN. IF I'M BEING UNREASONABLE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BECAUSE WE ARE SIMPLY CELEBRATING THE FUN PARTS OF AN ACTIVITY AND EVENT OR

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NOBODY CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE BUT IF WE START TODAY AT A DEFICIT WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE DOING, IT JUST GETS BETTER AND THE CONVERSATION IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN TO OUR CHILDREN WHY THEY NO LONGER HAVE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SAFETY AND WELFARE RELATED VERSUS PURELY AN EXPERIENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND MANY TANGIBLE WAYS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ENJOYED BY MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN AS MUCH AS I'M ANTICIPATING ENJOYING IT WHEN IT'S FIRST CONSTRUCTED. I KNOW YOU'RE THE MESSENGER AS I FIRST STATED. I'M NOT HOLDINGYOU RESPONSIBLE BUT I AM HOLDING STAFF ACCOUNTABLE AS A WHOLE.

FOR FUTURE PRESENTATIONS TO INCLUDE THIS INFORMATION WHETHER IT'S IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE, IT'S IN THE DETAILED DESIGN PHASE IS IN THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS PHASE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION IN ALL OF THE PHASES, NOT JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION BUT FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AS WELL.

SO FAR I'VE NOT HEARD OF A SOURCE OF FUNDING AND WE NEED TO HAVE ONE IT MAY BE TWO OR THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE NEED TO COMBINE MAINTENANCE WITH OTHER NEEDS ALREADY PROVIDED IN THE AREA FANTASTIC IDEA.

I WHOLLY SUPPORTED. I'M LOOKING FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE THE METHOD IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WHATEVER THE COST OR FORECASTED THEY ARE COVERED, THAT WE ARE NOT ADDING TO THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE ARE NOT HAVING TO HAVE THE HEART CONVERSATION WE WILL HAVE THIS AFTERNOON FOR PEOPLE WHO DID NOT HAVE A SAY HOW THE PPARKING LOTS WERE CONSTRUCTED WE ARE NOW TWO OR THREE OR 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD HOW WE WILL MAINTAIN THEM. BECAUSE MANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE ARE HAVING WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN THEM. THEY ARE DETERIORATING WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOURCES OF FUNDING. THIS YEAR, WE HAVE A $50 MILLION SURPLUS. DIFFERENT CONVERSATION OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. I HOPE WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A SURPLUS YEAR EVERY YEAR AND IS EASY TO MAINTAIN THINGS WITHOUT A DEDICATED BUDGET BECAUSE OF SURPLUSES.

I DON'T EXPECT TO RELY ON A ONE TIME BUDGET SURPLUS THAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REPEATED IN FUTURE YEARS.

AND HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH RECESSION EXPERIENCES WHERE WE ARE CUTTING STAFF AND SERVICES AND VERY IMPACTFUL NOT JUST QUALITY-OF-LIFE BUT HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE ISSUES IN OUR COUNTY. I WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE NUMBER ONE IN MANY WAYS AND THAT'S A STEP I PERSONALLY AM EXPECTING TO BE PROVIDED TO US AND I FIGURED OUT AFTER WE HAVE APPROVED THE FUN PARTS AND NEED IT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.

ABOUT ONE BUT YOU GET THE POINT.

I AM FRUSTRATED THAT IT'S BEEN IGNORED TO DATE BY THIS SPECIFIC ITEM BECAUSE I'VE MENTIONED IN SEVERAL MEETINGS ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY WHERE'S THE OPERATION OF MAINTENANCE FUNDING COMING FROM? PWE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

IT DOESN'T WORK SO WELL FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, APPROVE IT AND WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT LATER.

I'M NOT A FAN OF IT EITHER. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS, LET ME TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE BEING REASONABLE.

I THINK YOU ARE BEING VERY REASONABLE TO POST THE QUESTION THAT'S WHY I ASKED EARLY ON WHAT WAS OUR COUNTY SHARE OF THE ENTIRE TRAIL.

BUT LET ME ADD THIS. LET ME ADD SEVERAL THINGS.

I THINK IT PUTS THE STAFF IN A BIT OF A CATCH-22 POSITION.

THEY CAN CERTAINLY IDENTIFY POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE, BUT IT PUTS THEM IN A DIFFICULT POSITION FOR THEM TO OFFER UP SPECIFIC BUDGET AREAS OR FUNDS BECAUSE WE MAKE THAT DECISION, NOT THEM.OW, THEY CAN RECOMMEND, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHATEVER THE STAFF SAYS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO IDENTIFY SOURCES WE MAY CHOOSE TO FUND. BUT WE DO HAVE FUNDING PROBLEMS WE HAVE A DEFICIT AND A BACKLOG PAND JUST IN OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. BUT THERE HAS BEEN A STUDY OR SEVERAL STUDIES THAT HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ON BEECH TREE NOURISHMENT, THIS STATE GETS A RETURN OF FIVE DOLLARS IN TOURIST REVENUE.

I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ON MAINTENANCE OF THIS TRAIL ONCE IT'S PAID FOR BY THE DOT, I THINK WE WILL RECEIVE $10 IN ECONOMICS GAME WE ARE ONLY TALKING LITERALLY ABOUT $70,000 A YEAR AND I CAN IDENTIFY AT LEAST THREE SOURCES THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND, THE PARKED IMPACT FEE FUND AND THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX ALL OUR

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BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE A SUFFICIENT FOOTING TO GO FORWARD ON GIVING SOURCES OF ADVICE CONSIDER THAT RELATIVE TO OUR ENTIRE BUDGET, 70,000 A YEAR PRETTY NOMINAL.

I KNOW HE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BUT LET ME SAY BEFORE THAT THAT I KNOW WHOLEHEARTEDLY EXPRESS MY ENTHUSIASM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT FOR THE REASONS I TRIED TO EXPLAIN.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> MR. JOHNS: COMMISSIONER DEAN, I LIKE YOUR IDEA AS A BETTER WAY OF SUMMARIZING THINGS. SO LONG AS IF THEY ARE RECOMMENDING FROM TDC IT'S BEEN A PART OF THE CONVERSATION BEFORE IT COMES TO US. WE DON'T NEED TO BE THE ONE SAYING WE WERE PULLED FROM TDC FUNDING THEY HAVE CREATED A BUDGET FOR THEIR OWN. SUPPORTED BY THE SOURCES OF THE RECOMMENDATION AT LEAST WITH PRIOR KNOWLEDGE.

THIS ANTICIPATED SOURCE PREVIOUSLY PREPARED BUDGETS ARE NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED AND WE ARE NOT ROBBING PETER TO PLAY PAUL IN A LEGAL SPHERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE EQUAL COLLABORATION ON THE OPERATION OF MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE ON THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE BENEFITS IT WILL PROVIDE. I AM CONFIDENT THIS WILL PROVIDE SOURCES OF REVENUE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE FUNDS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT AND WERE NOT DOUBLE COUNTING BENEFITS FOR MULTIPLE SOURCES. AND THAT THE FUNDS ARE MATERIALIZED IN OUR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.

IT'S GREAT WE ARE GENERATING FUNDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT TO OTHER COUNTIES.

60 PERCENT OF OUR RESIDENTS, ROUGHLY, WORKING IN OTHER COUNTIES. WE GOT A SIGNIFICANT FUNDS GOING TO OTHER COUNTIES FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES RATHER THAN RECYCLED WITHIN OUR COUNTY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN TRACK THAT 10 TO 1 RATIO 5 TO 1 RATIO IN REAL MONEY JUST LIKE OUR DRUG COURT SERVICES. THAT HAVE A PRO FORMA THAT DEMONSTRATES WHAT THAT DRUG COURT ALTERNATIVE TO PRISON COSTS AND WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE, WHAT THE SAVINGS ARE.

NOT JUST FINANCIALLY BUT QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE RIPPLE EFFECT IT HAS ON OUR COMMUNITY BY EMPLOYING PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE OTHERWISE EMPLOYED.

THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS A FANTASTIC SIMPLE TO FOLLOW MEANS OF SHOWING NOT JUST THE FINANCES BUT ALL OF THE BENEFITS, AND IS ACCOUNTABLE YEAR AFTER YEAR BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE PROGRAMVERSUS GO TO PRISON.

AND IT'S LIFE-CHANGING. I SIMPLY WANT TO SEE THAT TYPE OF PRO FORMA TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT IS EXPENDED.

I KNOW THINGS CHANGE, OUR BUDGETS CHANGE PERSONALLY OUR BUDGETS CHANGED OVER THE COUNTY AND WE MAKE ÃADOPTED EACH YEAR. I'M ASKING NOT TO ADD TO THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FROM DAY ONE AND SHOW WHERE IT'S RECOMMENDED BASED ON THE EXPERTISE WE HAVE IN EVERY DEPARTMENT SO THEY CAN EACH BALANCE THEIR BUDGETS AND NOBODY FEELS BLINDSIDED BY A PRESENTATION THAT'S RECOMMENDING FUNDING FROM THEIR DEPARTMENT THAT THEY WERE NOT

AWARE OF AND AGREEABLE TO YOU. >> IF I MAY.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I USE THE TERM POTENTIAL FUNDING.

I CERTAINLY HAD EVERY INTENT IF WE GO FORWARD IN IT IS SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE OUR FIRST MAINTENANCE BILL DO WE WOULD GO TO THE TDC AND MAKE THAT REQUEST AND ENGAGE THEM IN DISCUSSION AND ASK FOR THEIR SUPPORT.

>> AND JUST TO MENTION, I MENTIONED THE TDC AND WE HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS AN OPTION TO USE FROM THE TOURISM OR MAINTENANCE OF THE TRAIL BECAUSE THEY HAVE GUIDELINES THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. WE HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF AND IT

IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGALLY BEING ALLOWED TO USE FUNDS WHICH IS CRITICAL. WE WANT TO REMAIN WITHIN THE LAW. IT'S ANOTHER TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE TDC TO SAY THIS IS WHERE WE ARE PLANNING TO USE SOME OF YOUR FUNDS AND ENGAGE THE CONVERSATION BEFORE THIS MEETING TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THEM AND THAT EXPECTATION AND IDEALLY THAT AGREEMENT WITH THEM. A DIFFERENCE IN THAT SECOND PART HAS BEEN PAID PARKING AND WHERE DO WE FIND THE RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN PARKS AND RECREATION AND OTHER ITEMS THAT

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I'M NOT SAYING EVERY BUDGET NEEDS TO RUN TO BREAKEVEN BUT A LOT OF SERVICES WE PROVIDE COULD BE AT A BREAKEVEN AND RECOGNIZED AS SUCH. BUT WHEN WE ADD TO THEIR COSTS, WE HAVE A SOURCE OF FUNDING SO THEY CONTINUE TO BREAKEVEN AND NOT TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT TWO OR THREE YEARS LATER.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO OTHER PEOPLE IN STAFF POSITIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE EXPERIENCING MENTAL AND WHAT IN THE WORLD WISE IS DETERIORATING. WE ALREADY PAY ENOUGH IN TAXES.

WHY ISN'T IT THAT ALL IS A VALID QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. THIS IS WHERE THE QUESTION

NEEDS TO BE THINKING, >> COMMISSIONER WALTER COMMIT

>> MR. COOPER, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE WRAPPED UP YET.

A QUICK QUESTION I HAD IS I UNDERSTAND A MAINTENANCE NEARLY YOU SAID IT'S ABOUT 15 TO 2 YEARS FOR RESURFACING WOULD BE NEEDED. WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE COST ON

THAT? >> THE ESTIMATED COST FOR MAINTENANCE IS PROBABLY ÃI MIGHT NOT GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER BUT IT PROBABLY RANGES BETWEEN $70,000 PER MILE.

BECAUSE IT WOULD CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE WIDTH OF THE TRAIL USE. I MENTIONED 10 TO 12 FEET.

SOME PLACES WE MAY HAVE TO GO Ã >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST

WILL BE IN 15 YEARS. >> CORRECT.

THE LAST THREE YEARS THE PRICE OF ASPHALT HAS GONE UP TREMENDOUSLY EACH SIX MONTHS REALLY.

>> AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT LOOK, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FIVE BOARDS FOR BEING HERE.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THEM THAT IS UNKNOWN THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IS COMING THAT WELL, WHY DID THE BOARD DO THIS? I LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE SIGNED 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO AND SAY WHY DID WE DO THAT? I KNOW HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 20/20 BUT I WAS JUST ESTIMATING ÃI KNOW YOU SAID FUNDS CAN BE USED DO WE HAVE A GAUGE OF WHAT

PERCENTAGE THEY PAY? >> FOR THE RESURFACING? RIGHT NOW YOU CAN APPLY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF YOUR NEED AT THE TIME. AGAIN, THAT EXISTS TODAY.

15 OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW. OR WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REASON I ASK MY QUESTION TO START WITH WAS ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION BEING DELIVERED. I REALIZE EVEN IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU ADAPTED. I READ $124,000 AND I DIVIDED 31 EGYPTYE CAME UP TO 4000. AND YET IN MY MIND I KNEW THERE WAS SOME RURAL ROUTES THERE THAT SHOULD BE DEDUCTED AS WELL AS OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED.

AND I JUST WANT ACCURACY WITH INFORMATION THAT WE ARE BEING DELIVERED BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH AND TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND THEN I JUST TOOK TIME TO DO THAT AND I'M THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING IT TO US PREMATURELY SO WE COULD REVIEW IT.

THAT'S SOMETHING I KNEW WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. THE OTHER THING IS IN REGARDS TO ACCURACY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE TRAILHEADS THAT WE ARE TENDING TO AS WELL, IF I'M CORRECT, AND PLEASE HELPED ME IF I'M WRONG. WE HAVE INHERITED HASTINGS, ARMSTRONG, AND BYRNE HEIGHTS, I BELIEVE.

>> THE ONES I'M FAMILIAR WITH OTHER HASTINGS AND VERMONT HEIGHTS WHICH ARE THE NEWER ONES.

AND WE DO MAINTAIN THE ONE AT ARMSTRONG.

I'M NOT SURE HOW IT WAS FUNDED ORIGINALLY.

>> SO THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO AS HASTINGS AND

VERMONT HEIGHTS EARLIER >> YES

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I THOUGHT ARMSTRONG WAS ONE OF THEM. WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ACCURATE. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, MY QUESTION EARLIER WAS WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE TALKING 10 FEET, 12 FEET, SO NOW I'M SEEING I'M HEARING VARIATION IN IT.

DESCRIBE TO ME WHAT THIS TRAIL LOOKS LIKE.

SO FOLKS CAN UNDERSTAND, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE AGREEING TO ARE NOT AGREED TO ADD THIS POINT.

I CAN ENVISION A WIDER SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT HAS BIKE AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING > WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS A SEPARATED TRAIL NOT ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING ROAD ITSELF BUT WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THERE IS A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TRAVEL LANES AND THE TRAIL ITSELF.

IT'S A GRASSED AREA. IT'S A SEPARATE TRAIL WITH A SHOULDER ON EACH SIDE. BICYCLES TO LEAVE THE TRAIL.

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WOULD LIKE TO STAY 10 TO 12 FEET FOR OBVIOUSLY THE BETTER USE BUT WE CAN GO TO EIGHT FEET.

AND SINCE YOU ARE ASKING AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, IN THE SHORT TERM, BASED ON THE WAY THE CASE STREET IS AND GOING INTO THE BRIDGE ALLIANCE THAT SECTION FROM THE WEST INTO THE CITY, THAT PORTION OF THE TRAIL WILL PROBABLY BE NOTED WITH SHARROW'S. THOSE ARE THE MARKINGS ON THE ROAD AND THEY TELL A BICYCLIST AND A MOTORIST THAT A BICYCLIST CAN USE THE FOLLOWING. IN THE URBAN AREA RIGHT NOW TODAY AS WE STAND WE CAN LOOK AT PUTTING SHARROW'S ON THAT PORTION OF KING STREET KNOWING THERE'S A SIDEWALK ALREADY THERE. THE SON FUND WOULDN'T PAY FOR THOSE COULD THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE BUT THE CITY DOES HAVE STUDIES TO TRY TO MAKE A SEPARATE TRAIL IN THE FUTURE. I GUESS FROM A 12 FOOT TO 10 FEET TO 8 FEET AND THEN IN URBAN AREAS MAY BE USED SHARROW AS A MASS ÃTHIS STUDY WAS A HIGH-LEVEL VIEW OFTHE OVERALL 31 MILE SECTION AND THEN AS WE ASKED FOR FUNDS FROM DOT TO DESIGN A CONSTRUCTION, THERE ARE PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND ENGINEERING BASES THAT ARE USED TO GET A MORE DETAILED LOOK AT THE BROKEN DOWN PROJECTS THEMSELVES.

IF WE BREAK IT INTO TWO OUTSOURCED THREE MILE SECTIONS US WHEN WE COULD LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT WIDTH WE WOULD REALLY

BE PUTTING IN THAT LOCATION. >> AND EVEN IN ANASTASIA PARK, MR. COOPER, WHERE THERE'S A PORTION THERE, THAT WOULD BE PAID AS WELL? AS IT WAS INTENDED?

>> YES, AND IT WOULD BE USED IN THE PERIMETER OF THE PART AS IT BACKS UP TO THE AMPHITHEATER, THAT PORTION OF THE PARK ITS WESTERN BOUNDARY USING THAT PORTION NOW WE SAY YOU CAN DRIVE ÃTHE PARK CAN DRIVE THROUGH IT NOW.

IT WOULDN'T BE A PAVED SECTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LEGAL? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. COOPER, IS THERE A DISTINCTION IN THE COUNTIES MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES AND POTENTIAL FOR COSTS ON THE TRAIL THAT'S WITHIN THE DOT ON RIGHT-OF-WAY VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY OWNED RIGHT-OF-WAY? MY REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS INDICATES THAT BOARD DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY DO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR REPAIR OF MAJOR COMPONENTS OF IT. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING?> SO RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT GUIDELINES IN THE SUN TRAIL FUNDING ARE WHEN YOU ARE WITHIN A DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, THE DOWN SOUTH PORTION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON STATE ROAD A1A, THE DOT WILL MAINTAIN THAT PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE ADD TO IT, WE WOULD MAINTAIN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD THE PAVED TRAIL ITSELF, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT, BUT THEY WOULD DO THEIR NORMAL GOING AND PICKING UP LITTER CYCLES THEY DO.

IF THE DRAINAGE DITCH IS IMPACTED, THEY WOULD MAINTAIN IT AS WELL. ANYTHING THAT WE ADD TO IT, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE.

THEIR NORMAL MAINTENANCE THEY CONTINUE TO DO.

>> DOES NOT INCLUDE SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS OR RECONSTRUCTION OF THE TRAIL IF IT'S IN DOT, OR DO YOU JUST MEAN IN TERMS OF YOUR MORE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF THE ASPHALT?

>> I AM STRICTLY TALKING ABOUT STANDARD MAINTENANCE ITEMS. SAY IF WE PUT A SHORT SECTION Ã A SECTION OF PIPE IN AND IT WAS BLOCKED IT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSE ABILITY BECAUSE WE ARE

ADDING TO IT. >> FOR INSTANCE IF THE TRAIL HAD TO BE BRIDGE SOME WATERWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD STILL BE DOT'S RESPONSIBILITY IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IF IT NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED?

>> I THINK SO. SO ONE EXAMPLE IF YOU SAW AREA 214. IT GOES OVER I-95.

SO 214 ITSELF IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO A TRAIL.

SO ONE OPTION WOULD BE TOO BUILD A SEPARATE BRIDGE OVER I-95. DOT WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BRIDGE, I BELIEVE. AND FOR ALL OF OUR BRIDGES IN THE COUNTY, THEY DO INSPECTINS ON THOSE ANYWAY.

FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. >> THANK

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WE HAVE HAD OCCURRENCES WHERE FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT ORGANIZATIONS STOP MAINTAINING IT.

AND WHEN THE COUNTY BECOMES A RESPONSIBLE ENTITY WE BASICALLY WILL CUT THEY SOUGHT WITHOUT MAINTAINING ANY VEGETATION OCCASIONALLY A TREE OF SORT BUT NO IRRIGATION IS PAID FOR.

IF IT'S IN THE GROUND IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT JUST BECAUSE ANOTHER ENTITY DECIDES FOR A REASON THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. I SEE THIS IN A SIMILAR MANNER.

THE DOT WILL NOT MAINTAIN ADDITIONAL ASPHALT THE PIPING UNDER THE ROADWAY UNDER THE ASPHALT FOR THE TRAIL REQUIRED FOR DRAINAGE. WAYFARING SIGNS WON'T SWEEP IT FOR ROCKS AND THINGS THAT CAN CAUSE HAZARDS TO THE CYCLIST'S TALK TIRES. THAT'S ENTIRELY ON THE COUNTIES RESPONSIBILITY.S THAT A REASONABLY ACCURATE STATEMENT

IN COMPARISON? >> YES.

>> IF DECADES DOWN THE WAY WE DECIDE THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO USE IT AND PAY FOR IT BY WHATEVER MEANS WE CHOOSE, DECIDE WE WILL NO LONGER DO SO, THE DOT WILL LET IT DETERIORATE OR REMOVE WHATEVER IS NOT TO THEIR STANDARDS FOR MAINTAINING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE PURPOSE, WHICH THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS IS VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, NOT BICYCLES, PEDESTRIANS WHAT HAVE YOU. IS THAT A REASONABLE

COMPARISON? >> WELL WE WOULD BE PSYCHO MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SO WE WILL BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE SO THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE COUNTY TO DO THE MAINTENANCE AND THE PORTIONS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR EARLY PART OF YOUR STATEMENT ARE THE AMENITIES I SPOKE ABOUT WHICH AMENITIES CAN BE ADDED OR NOT ADDED TO THE RAIL .

THE AMENITIES ARE SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT LATER IF HE WANTED TO ADD THOSE ARM ANGLE RIGHT NOW IS TO GET A GOOD TRAIL IN FOR THE LOOP. FOR THE 260 MILE LOOP.

>> YOU MADE MY POINT. WHATEVER THE AMENITY MAY BE IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND IT MAY BE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM TO SAY IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE THIS ABILITY AS MUCH COST PER YEAR FOR NO MATTER HOW MANY MAY HAVE IS ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.

THAT NEEDS TO BE IN BUDGET AND EVERY DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT THEIR BUDGET MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK, MORE THAN LIKELY.

NOT JUST ONCE A YEAR AND THEN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO WHERE THEY SPEND MONEY WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENT. WANT DEPARTMENT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR THEIR BUDGET TO MAINTAIN WHATEVER THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY AND ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THEIR DEPARTMENT.

TO MAKE DECISIONS TO OPERATE WHATEVER THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE UNDER THEIR AUTHORITY. I DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPLETE PICTURE OF THE DATA AND OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS THE SAME THING.

IF THEY DON'T REALIZE WHAT IT COST TO MAINTAIN IT IT'S A BAD CONVERSATION TO HAVE MONSTERS SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC THAT HAPPENS THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED WHERE THERE IS NO LONGER IN USE FOR A SECTION OF THE PACK.

I WANT TO APPROVE THIS PATH. HOW MUCH THE SECONDARIES HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND CREATE A LOOP BUT IF I'M NOT WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, AND ÃNOT JUST AS A COMMISSIONER BUT AS A RESIDENT AND THEY WANT TO ENJOY THE USE OF IT, AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAVE THE SAME MENTALITY ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE PROVIDE WITH JUST CONSTRUCTION COSTS WE WILL ALWAYS WE WILL NO LONGER BE NUMBER ONE IN MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO OUR COUNTY IN RECORD NUMBERS.

WHILE IT'S A PUSH AND PULL WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING, IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE ANY GOOD PROBLEM TO MANAGE VERSUS COUNTIES AND STATES THAT ARE HAVING A MASS EXODUS OF THEIR POPULATION AND THEY DON'T HAVE PTHE FUNDS COMING IN EVEN TODAY IN THIS ECONOMY TO MAINTAIN WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT. I DON'T JUST MEAN THE FUN STUFF. I MEAN CRITICAL TO HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE. THAT'S WHY GO BACK TO WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO KNOW TO BE ABLE TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY TO MEET THEIR EXPECTATIONS FOR A QUALITY EXPERIENCE YEAR AFTER YEAR.

WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND WE HAVE SOME ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES.

>> SO THE SECTION OF TRAIL THAT OPENED UP THIS POSTURE AND BETWEEN PUTNAM COUNTY LINE IN THE NORTHERN ÃTHE PORTION IN THE MIDDLE, THOSE AMENITIES YOU MENTIONED, ANY LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE IN IN THAT SECTION THERE ARE NO AMENITIES. THEY ARE A SEPARATE ITEM YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING LOOK NICE.

NOT ALREADY EXIST TODAY >> PARKING LOTS, BATHROOMS, A BIKE RACK, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TRAIL NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED

IN THE PRESENTATION. >> CURRENTLY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADD ANY OF THOSE WITH THE PROJECTS BECAUSE THEIR SEPARATE ITEMS TO THE CENTRAL. THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE FUN WE WOULD NOT BE LOOKING TO ADD ANY CAREER LOOKING AT THE TRAIL RIGHT NOW. ESPECIALLY THE URBAN AREAS WE HAVE. THERE ARE FACILITIES YOU CAN PARK IN USE. THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS.

THE NEGATIVE IS IT'S HARD TO HAVE A TRAIL AND THERE ARE THE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN PARK IN USE.

LIKE THE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANT ÃPEOPLE WANT TO ADD A PARKING AREA OR A CONNECTION TO THE TRAIL AND ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THE CONNECTION THE BLACK BOX IN THE COMMUNITY WATCH WHAT I WANT TO ENCOURAGE COUNTYWIDE BUT WE STILL HAVE TO ALLOCATE YOU WANT HERE WE ARE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING WHO'S GOING TO BUILD A AND OPERATE AND MAINTAIN IT AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT CHANGES. THE COUNTY BECOMES RESPONSIBLE FOR WHETHER IT'S IN THE STATE RUN AWAY OR OTHERWISE.

I JUST WANT TO HAVE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD AND WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THERE'S AS FEW SURPRISES TO THE 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ELSE OTHERS MENTIONED WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH WHY THINGS WERE DONE DECADES AGO NOT OUT OF DOUBT BUT FRUSTRATION THAT WE ARE HAVING TO DO WITH THE CAM BEING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.

I WENT GREAT FURTHER EXASPERATION I DO APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. IT SHOULDN'T SOUND TARGETED.

IT'S NOT. AS THE BIGGER PICTURE CONVERSATION I HAVE ASKED TO HAVE AS PART OF PRESENTATIONS AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED YET.

PARKS LEGAL >> THANK YOU TO ANSWER I THINK THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER JOHNS WOULD IF THEY FELL BY THE WAYSIDE WITH THE DOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING ACTIONS TO MAINTAIN IT AFTER THAT. LOGISTICALLY THE REQUEST FROM STAFF IS FOR AUTHORIZATION TO MAKE AN APPLICATION TO REQUEST THE FUNDING AFTER THAT WOULD COME A FORMAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH DOT AND THEY HAVE A STANDARD TEMPLATE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD APPLY AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR DOT TO TAKE ANY MAINTENANCE ACTIONS IF THE COUNTY MEETS THE STANDARDS IN THE AGREEMENT THE FIRST STEP THAT WE WILL ENTER INTO THAT AGREEMENT THAT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS COURT FOR APPROVAL IN EACH SECTION COMP PLACE. SO THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION OR AFTER I BELIEVE AT LEAST THE FUNDING OF THE PARTICULAR PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING THIS ALONG I THINK WE HAD GREAT DISCUSSION.

BUT AT THIS TIME MR. CHAIRMAN AND PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> WE WILL ACCEPT THE MOTION BUT WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS IF YOU LIKE TO MOVE IT AND RECEIVE A SECOND WEEK IT OPENED UP TO PUBLIC,CLICK QUICK THINKING ON A COMMISSION WAS HARD TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2019 389 DOCUMENT PROPOSED PREFERRED ALIGNMENT COMPANY LORI LOUGHLIN ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP MULTIUSE REGIONAL TRAIL ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEA LOOP MULTIUSE REGIONAL TRAIL PROJECT PLANNING STUDY MAP ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT 1 MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNATED FOR GRANT FUNDING FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA SHARED USE ON MOTORIZED TRAIL FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE PREFERRED COMPLEMENTARY ROUTE AS PROPOSED IN THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER TO SEE

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CERTIFICATION. >> A MOTION MISSION OF WALKER AND HIS COMMISSIONER DEAN. WE WILL NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT >> JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE SECOND ON EACH OF THOSE MOTIONS.

>> YES >> WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT. WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE LINE UP GOOD

MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

VIVIAN BROWNING 30 BEACH, WAY. PRESIDENT OF VILANO MINISTRY A LETTER SUPPORT RECENTLY BACK THAT WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE ATTENDED EVERY PUBLIC MEETING REGARDING MOST OF THIS ROUTE RUNS ALONG A1A SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH TO FLAGLER LINE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE 18 MILES SO WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK HARD FOR. THE ONE SECTION THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS WEST AUGUSTINE AUDIO LOST THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO SUPPORT IT. I ATTENDED MANY BEATINGS TRY TO STAY ON TRACK WITH WHAT I SUPPORT PERSONALLY AND I SUPPORT FOR MY COMMUNITY. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW I WAS A TWO-TERM COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR MOSQUITO CONTROL AND I WAS THE CHAIR OF THAT AND I HELPED BUILD THE NEW FACILITY.

WHAT I HAVE NOT HEARD THIS MORNING IS WHAT IS THE COST MATT I HEAR YOU ARE VERY INTERESTED IN 125,005 YEARS FROM NOW BUT IF IT SAVES A LIEN ON A PRIMARY ROAD TO KEEP CARS OFF THE ROAD AND PEOPLE GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND GET ON THE TRAILS, WHAT IS A HEART ATTACK WORTH IF SOMEONE WALKS THE TRAILS AND AVOID A HEART ATTACK.

WHAT'S IT WORTH TO WALK ON THE TRAIL WITH KIDS OR FRIENDS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THERE'S THE INTANGIBLE BUT I WOULD SAY THIS IS A SMALL AMOUNT RATHER THAN TRYING TO BUILD LANES FOR MORE CARS TIED UP ON A FUTURE COST THAT WILL NOT AFFECT US FOR TAXPAYERS FOR MANY YEARS AND NOT PASS THIS TODAY IS REGRETTABLE BECAUSE STAFF, THE COMMUNITY, THE FDA TO THE POLICIES PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER TO GET TO YOU TODAY AND I WOULD SAY IT'S BETTER TO PASS IT, AND I WOULD THINK ÃI PLAN AMENDMENT ON THE ISSUE SO WHY NOT GIVE BACK SO BADLY PLAN RATHER THAN HOLD OF THIS PROJECT.

SO I AM VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO DO AT THIS TIME. I REALLY SUPPORT YOU MOVING

FORWARD ON THIS >> I JUST ASKED THE PRESENTER IF THE BIKES WERE GOING TO BE ALLOWED, AND HE SAID YES.

BUT IT DID SAY NONMOTORIZED. AND A BIKE IS A MOTOR.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP I WOULD HATE TO GO OUT AND PURCHASE ONE WITH THE HOPES OF ENJOYING A BEAUTIFUL BIKE TRAIL AND THEN REGULAR BICYCLE PEOPLE DECIDE YOU CAN'T BE ON THIS TRAIL WILL HERE'S THE ORDINANCE.

NO MOTORIZED BIKES. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO BE CLEARED OUT. ALSO, I DON'T WANT TO CORRECT SOMEBODY THAT I KNOW 100 TIMES MORE THAN ME BUT I HAVE TO CORRECT COMMISSIONER DEAN BECAUSE COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID THIS KIND OF THING BRINGS FIVE BUCS AND TDC DOLLARS.

EVERY COUNTY BUT OURS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PASS IT SO WE ONLY GET FOUR BUCKS. SORRY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THAT.

WHEN I HEAR THIS ITEM COMPARED TO THE PAID PARKING TAX I GET MIXED UP BECAUSE THEY ARE SEPARATE ISSUES.

THIS BICYCLE THING IS AWESOME AND ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT AROUND SAINT AUGUSTINE, SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH KNOWS

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SHE HAS SUFFERED VERBAL ABUSE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS OVER THE YEARS FOR THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND MAKING BICYCLES A GOOD FORM OF TRANSPORTATION FROM TODAY, I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO PASS THIS.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU. I'M NOT THE BEST AT MATH ANYMORE. IT'S ABOUT $100,000 TO MAINTAIN MASS. WE ALREADY KNOW THE TDC WILL HANDLE IT. IF IT IS WHAT KIND OF WASTING A LOT OF TIME HERE. YOU SHOULD REALLY JUST BE APPROVED AND EVERYBODY KNOWS BICYCLE AND SPENT A LOT OF MONEY SOMETIMES I GET A LITTLE IRRITATED WHEN I HAVE A GROUP OF THEM IN FRONT OF ME ON THE BRIDGE PLEASE FOCUS APPEARED

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

>> I WANT YOU TO KNOW I DID RIDE MY BIKE HERE TODAY.

I RIDE MY BIKE NOT BECAUSE I HAVE TO BUT BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO. I DO IT FOR EXERCISE AND I DO IT FOR ERRANDS ON MY DAYS OFF. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT I WORKED FOR A COMPANY THAT SELLS BICYCLES AND EXERCISE EQUIPMENT ONLINE. OUR WAREHOUSE IS IN THE DEER PARK WAREHOUSE COMPLEX AND RIGHT NOW THE TERMINUS OF THE TRAIL IS PRETTY MUCH AT OUR BACK DOOR.

SO THIS PREFERRED ALIGNMENT IS PRETTY EXCITING FOR ME BECAUSE I WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GO JUST ABOUT FROM MY HOME IN WEST AUGUSTINE ALL THE WAY TO WORK OFF ROAD, AND ANYBODY THAT RIDES BIKES IN THAT AREA OR IS EVEN A PEDESTRIAN ESPECIALLY IN WEST AUGUSTINE KNOWS THAT HAVING A SAFE AND DEDICATED OFF-ROAD PLACE TO RIDE OR EVEN TO WALK IS A NICE ÃI WOULDN'T SAY IMMUNITY. MORE LIKE MAYBE A NECESSITY.

AGAIN, THE PREFERRED ALIGNMENT THEY ARE TAKING.

AND AS A CITIZEN [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE PLEASE COME FORWARD.R.

CHAIRMAN NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTION COMPLEX THERE ARE ACTUALLY I THINK TO MOTIONS BEFORE THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HAS READ THIS OUT I RECOMMEND THE BOARD VOTES ON THE FIRST MISSION TRUSSVILE ON THE FIRST MOTION I CONSIDER THE SECOND MOTION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION ÃTHE FIRST MOTION THAT HAS THEM MADE AND SECONDED ARTISTS WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT WRAPPING UP YOUR MY PERSPECTIVE. THERE ARE CERTAIN BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THIS CREATIVE BENEFITS, TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT AND IN THIS MEETING WE SEEN THE 35 PERCENT REDUCTION IN THE UP TO COSTS. THAT'S A BIG HELP AS WELL.

UP TO IS $75-$77,000 A BIGGER DIFFERENCE THAN 124 AS WELL.

JUST TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WITH NO FURTHER DELAY, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0. NOW THE SECOND ON THE SECOND MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION SAY NONE PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU

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>> THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL HERO MADE ANY EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATIONS NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DISCLOSE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS. THE NATURE OF THE INDICATIONS AND WHO THEY ARE WITH. THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE EXPERT TAKE COMMUNICATIONS WE WILL START

WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NON-ÁCUSTOMÁ COMMISSIONER

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BLOCKER? >> NONE, SIR

>> COMMISSIONER WALTER? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER JON SNOW >> I ATTENDED A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE PREVIOUS REVIEW OF THIS AGENDA ITEM I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CORRESPONDENCE SINCE THAT MEETING WITH ANY INDIVIDUALS. I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS.

>> ALL RIG I HAVE NONE AS WELREPORT.

MS. MAY? >> THANK YOU CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CYNTHIA MAY WITH GROSS MET WITH GROSS MANAGEMENT. SWITZERLAND ANIMAL HOSPITAL IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF STATE ROAD 13 NORTH RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION WITH ROBERTS PROAD.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED OR AND E PROPERTIES AROUND IT ARE PUD AND COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY.

REQUEST TO REZONE TO A GROSS FROM OPEN ROLL TO PUD, SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW SOME COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD USES. THE HOSPITAL HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1984 IT WAS APPROVED BY THE ZONING EXCEPTION AT THAT TIME. THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR UP TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA.

A LITTLE OVER OF 7000 OF THAT WOULD BE NEW.

TWO STRUCTURES AND IT WOULD INCLUDE THE RENOVATIONS OF EXISTING ANIMAL HOSPITAL. THE STRUCTURES ARE TO BE DESIGNED FOR COMPATIBILITY WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD LIMITED TO ONE STORY. ACCESS WILL REMAIN IN THE CURRENT LOCATION. LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED PLAN, STATE ROAD 13 IT WILL REMAIN IN THE SAME LOCATION.

THEY WOULD ROUTINE AUTO FOOT BUILDING SETBACK FROM STATE ROAD 13. THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE A 75 FOOT SCENIC EDGE WITH A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET.

THE EXISTING HOSPITAL IS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND IT WOULD BE SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT EDGES ON THREE SIDES OF 35 FEET. THEY ARE REQUESTING A SINGLE WAIVER AND THAT'S TO ALLOW THE BUILDING TO REMAIN THE EXISTING BUILDING TO REMAIN WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY ENCROACHING IN THE NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT EDGES AND BE APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AT THAT POINT.

THE PUD WOULD INCLUDE A LIST OF LIMITED PERMITTED USES A NEGATIVE VETERINARY, MEDICAL, DENTAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AS WELL AS PHARMACIES WITHOUT DRIVE-THROUGH.

THEY COMPATIBILITY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL PUD'S TO THE NORTH WEST AND SOUTH AND THE COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY USE ACROSS THE SOUTH STREET ON THE SOUTHEAST. STAFF RECEIVED PHONE CALLS AROUND THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND ALSO SEVERAL EMAIL MESSAGES FOR FRED RECEIVED NOTHING SINCE.

THERE WERE TWO COMMITTEE MEETINGS PLUS TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS HELD FOR THIS PROJECT. THE APPLICATION WAS AMENDED AFTER THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING AT WHICH TIME THEY HAD BEEN PROPOSING 14,000 SQUARE FEET AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THAT TO 10,000. REDUCING THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS TO TWO FROM THREE TO SINGLE-STORY AND REMOVED THE WAIVERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES.

AND ALSO THEY EXPANDED THEIR OUTDOOR LIGHTING PROVISINS TO ADD LEAST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCIES HELD A PUBLIC HEARING OCTOBER 17, 2019 AND VOTED 7 TO ZERO IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE PUD FINDING THAT THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WE PROVIDE NINE FINDING OF FACTS TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

HE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE WITH A PRESENTATION.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF?

>> YOU WILL HEAR FROM APPLICANT.

>> THE MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS BRAD WESTER I'M WITH DRIVER MCAFEE HAWTHORNE AND EVEN NOW AT 1 INDEPENDENT DOCTOR SUITE HUNDRED JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32202. I WILL BE LIGHT ON MY FET UP HERE AND EXPEDITE MY PRESENTATION.

I DID PREPARE THAT BUT IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS TODAY AND A THREE YEAR PROCESS WE'VE BEEN ON THIS JOURNEY TO GET THIS REZONING, WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER AND THE COUNTY APPROVAL PROCESS AT HAND, WE HAD TO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS VOLUNTARY AND THAT WE HAD TO OFFICIALLY NOTICED PUBLIC MEETINGS IN ADDITION TO PZA, AND ON OCTOBER 17 WE GOT A

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THIS SITE HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1984 WITH THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE AND AT THE TIME THERE WAS ONLY THREE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE NOTICED IN 1984.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE WORK WE PUT INTO THIS. THERE IS ONE ACCESS TO THE SITE FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL DEDICATED TURN LANES THAT WILL REMAIN AND WE USE THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS A TIMELINE OF OUR MEETINGS.

WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS SINCE LITERALLY 2016.

HERE IS THE ORIGINAL SURVEY SHOWING IT WAS BARREN BACK THEN. IT WAS BEFORE THE DRI AND THE RIVER OAKS PLANTATION NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE EXISTING SURVEY TO THE PROPERTY WHICH SHOWS THE BUILDING ITSELF IS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S AN ANIMAL HOSPITAL. RESIDENTIAL IN CHARACTER.

AND THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS THAT WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND THE REVISED AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH IS ONE BUILDING.

WE HAVE ONE STRUCTURE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A DECREASE FROM 14,000 SQUARE FEET TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND WE ARE UTILIZING THE EXISTING ANIMAL HOSPITAL.

CYNTHIA MENTIONED WE HAVE THREE BUILDINGS DOWN TO TWO.

IT'S TWO BUILDINGS DOWN TO ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ONE REMAINING STRUCTURE WE WILL RESIDE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE MVP WHICH IS ALSO OUR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PLAN SHOWING THE PARKING. SOME OF THE REDUCTIONS INCLUDE A PARKING REDUCTION FROM 55 TO 47.HE FOOTPRINT ÃOVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE 35 FOOT ÃWE HAD 20 FOOT SETBACK. WE ARE GOING TO 35 FEET NOW.

AGAIN, TO WAIVERS INCLUDED ON THE REZONING REQUESTS.

ONE NOW AND THAT ONE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING. WE CAN'T PICK UP THAT BUILDING AND MOVE IT SO IS GOING TO REMAIN IN ITS PLACE SINCE IT'S BEEN SINCE 1984. AND THEN WE HAVE HAD AT PZA FURTHER LIMITATION ON THE COMMERCIAL USES AND YOU CAN SEE THIS. WE HAVE 35 FOOT SETBACK EDGE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EXISTING ANIMAL HOSPITAL.

WHICH AGAIN WILL HELP PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND ADD MORE BUFFER AND SCREENING KEEP THE TREES THERE.

KEEP THE EXISTING BUILDING REMAIN BUT KEEP THE PROPOSED BUILDING PUSHED HIM FURTHER TO THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ORIGINAL AND THE PROPOSED.

THIS IS OVER A TWO YEAR PROCESS FROM THE TIME THE SUBMITTAL TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS ORIGINALLY OPPOSED TO IT, AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT. SO I THINK THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS AND INCONSISTENT THAT WE ALL COME TO. MY PRESENTATION IS QUICK I ASKED FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I STANDING BY AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS HERE

AS WELL. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SEEING THAT WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. COME FORWARD.

PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

MR. CHAIRMAN, SEEING HIM WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2019 Ã73 PUD 2018 Ã10 SWITZERLAND ANIMAL HOSPITAL BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND >> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD LIKE A BRIEF DISCUSSION AS MUCH AS I TALKED TO READY I THINK THIS ONE MERITS. I WILL THINK THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL AND THE COMMUNITY FOR WORKING TOGETHER.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT PLAN BUT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

YOU ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND WHILE THE COMMUNITY ADMITS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD PREFER, YOU ARE NOT GETTING EXACTLY WHAT YOU PREFER EITHER. BUT EVERYBODY BY THE LARGE MAJORITY ARE WORKING IN HARMONY WITH EACH OTHER TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A GROWING COMMUNITY AND I APPRECIATE AND THE RESULT IS A VERY POSITIVE ONE THAT WILL BE

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NOT TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING ON THE COMMUNITY.

YOUR SERVICES HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES.

THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HERE FOR DECADES AND HE FOUND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER SO EVERYONE IS HAPPY WITH THE END RESULT.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING OUR JOBS EASIER AND APPROVING SOMETHING AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING THAT IS CLEARLY MEETING THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT IS

HARMONIOUS. >> WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. ANNA PASSES 5 TO 0. MOVING

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>> ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FOUR ARE GOING TO BE HER TOGETHER.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING SUBJECT

TO EXPERT TO DISCLOSURES. >> ANY DISCLOSURES NEED TO BE

MADE, COMMISSIONER DEAN?>> I HAD A TELEPHONE CALL LAST FRIDAY WITH DOUG BURNETT REGARDING ITEM 4, AND HE JUST BASICALLY ASKED ME IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT,

WHICH I DID NOT. >> COMMISSIONER WALKER?

>> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. DOUGLAS BURNETT WITH THE ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP REPRESENTING TO THE DEVELOPER FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND HE ASKED ME IF THERE WERE QUESTIONS OR ANY FOLLOW-UP THAT I NEED TO HAVE WITH HIM. WE HAD A VERY BRIEF PHONE CALL, TWO MINUTES. NOTHING SPECIFIC WAS DISCUSSED.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?> I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETT, CYNTHIA MAY AND [WORD] YESTERDAY AT 10:00 A.M. AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT WE DISCUSSED FUNDS FOR ROSE CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL DRAFT THAT CAME BEFORE US PROBABLY

OVER A YEAR AGO. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> I RECEIVED THE SAME PHONE CALL FROM MR. BURNETT ASKING IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR HEARD ANY CONCERNS.

>> I HAVE NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. >> ALL RIGHT.

MS. MAY? >> THANK YOU.

CYNTHIA MAY GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND A PUD APPLICATION FOR MINORCAN MILL.

THE SITE IS LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 16 A. IT'S JUST NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION WITH THE NEW SILVERLEAF PARKWAY AND 16.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS WHERE THE SITE IS TRIANGULAR PIECE ÃTHIS IS NOT WORKING.

IT'S THE TRIANGULAR PIECE WITHIN THE AGRICULTURAL INTENSE FUTURE LAND USE AREA IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM EXISTING RESIDENTIAL B AND THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.

THE APPLICATION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD LIMIT DEVELOPMENT TO 125 SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS. IT'S A LITTLE OVER 58 ACRES, SEVEN OF WHICH ARE WETLANDS. THE DENSITY WOULD BE ABOUT TWO UNITS PER ACRE. WITH TRANSPORTATION, THE ADVERSE IMPACTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WOULD OCCUR APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES AWAY ON THAT SEGMENT OF STATE ROAD 16 FROM INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY TO THE WEST MALL ENTRANCE THERE ARE FUNDING COMMITMENTS FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD WIH APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES OF THAT LEFT UNFUNDED.

IN THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE STAFF PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE COUNTY ROAD 16 AND GIVEN THE SMALL SIZE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT HAVE BEEN OFFERED ARE A 3 1/2 ACRE SITE THAT COULD BE DEDICATED FOR STORMWATER POND.

54 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY ALONG COUNTY ROAD 16 A ALONG THE FRONTAGE. THIS WILL BE A PART OF THE DISPORT THE CREDIT AGREEMENT. THEY WILL ALSO CONTRIBUTE A MINIMUM OF $650 TOWARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT STATE ROAD 16 AND SILVERLEAF PARKWAY.

THE IMPACT TO RECREATION IS THAT IT WOULD MEET SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO THE COUNTY LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN FIVE MILES OF FIRE SERVICES AND THE WATER AND SEWER THERE IS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY AND THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BY LETTER DATED 8/17 Ã2018.

THEY DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY IN THIS SCHOOL

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THE PROJECT IS IN AN AREA OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR TRANSITIONING FROM RURAL TO SUBURBAN.

IT'S PART OF THE LARGE UNDEVELOPED AGRICULTURAL INTENSE OF FUTURE LAND USE. MAP DESIGNATED PIECE WITH ZONING. THE PROJECT CAN DEMONSTRATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT JOB CREATION ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION OR OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT.

THEY TRANSMITTAL HEARING WAS HELD BY THE BOARD, AND YOU VOTED IN FAVOR OF TRANSMITTAL AND THAT WAS BACK IN AUGUST.

THERE WAS NO PUBLIC INPUT OR DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME.TATE AND REGIONAL AGENCIES RESPONDED ACCORDINGLY AND HAD NO COMMENTS TO BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO ADOPION.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY LOOKED AT ADOPTION OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR AND VOTED 5 TO 2 IN FAVOR OF ADOPTION. REGARDING THE PUD THE COMPANION APPLICATION TO THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IS TO LIMIT IT TO A 10 YEAR PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. THEY WOULD PRESERVE 6.4 ACRES OF WETLANDS AND HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES OF PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.

THEY ARE REQUESTING FIVE WAIVERS, FOUR OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH SETBACKS ON THE LOT AND THE FIFTH ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SIGN.

STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO ANY OF THOSE WAIVERS.

IN OCTOBER THE PCA VOTED 5 TO 2 IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE PHONE CALL AND TWO ITEMS OF CORRESPONDENCE SINCE THE TRANSMITTAL. THEY HELD FOR NORTHWEST SECTOR COMMITTEE MEETINGS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AND 10 PEOPLE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.

THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE GOVERNANCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT. IF THE BOARD FINDS THE PROJECT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SPECIFICALLY POLICIES 8125 AND A 127 STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO ADOPTION OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

THERE ARE FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED TO SUPPORT THAT TO APPROVE. AND REGARDING THE PUD, STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND SUBSTANTIALLY MAKES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PROVIDE NINE FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.

>> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

>> >> THE MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND COVERING IT SO WELL. I WILL BE BRIEF IN MY COMMENTS BECAUSE YOU DO GET A REALLY GOOD PICTURE FROM THE PRESENTATION. WITH ME IS CHRIS WARD REPRESENTING THE PROJECT AND OWNERSHIP INTEREST.

AGAIN, AND ARIEL AND THE ONLY THING ADDED ON THE AERIAL YOU SEE AS YOU CAN SEE THE SILVERLEAF PARKWAY BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THIS STAGE AND SITTING THERE ON THE GROUND TODAY. JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SITE SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE COLOR TO IT.

YOU CAN SEE OUR CENTRAL PONDS. YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN SPACE WHERE THE CELL TOWER SITE IS. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF RECREATION HAS BEEN ADDED IN THIS AREA AND I WILL COME BACK TO ITSHOW IT TO YOU DURTHE PRESENTATION BUT THIGHLIGHT THE WETLAND PRESERVATION WE HAVE OF .

THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET ARE ARBOR MILL AT ONE TIME THERE WAS THOUGHT MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE ONE HOA FOR ALL THREE COMMUNITIES THERE. THIS WILL HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INDEPENDENT AND WE WILL BE COMMITTED TO THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IT DOES HAVE ITS OWN RECREATION FACILITIES AND WE FULLY MEET ALL OF THE RECREATION REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY.

AS MS. MAY POINTED OUT AND ALSO CONTAINED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT IS THIS LANGUAGE ON PAGE 9 THAT TALKS ABOUT WHEN IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WARRANTED? ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT JOB CREATION, PRESERVATION AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OR OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND IT REALLY IS OR.

SO ANY ONE OF THOSE WOULD WARRANT A CONFERENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT BUT WE CHECK THE BOXES FOR ALL FOUR OF THEM.

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MOORE'S CREEK NOW IS COMING ONLINE 67 IT'S ONLY GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 10 MONTHS OF INVENTORY.

THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY GOOD TIMING NOW AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS UPDATED ARIEL I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN ONLINE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT IN ARBOR MILL AND YOU CAN ALSO SEEK MOORE'S CREEK TO THE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE NOW AT THIS STAGE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.

PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PROJECT AND TURNING AGAIN TO THE MAP IF I'D TURN OFF THESE AREAS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THEM YOU CAN SEE CONSERVATION OF CONTINUOUS WETLAND AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHERE THERE'S PRESERVATION ADJACENT TO THE CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS.

DDITIONALLY IN THIS AREA WHERE THE CREEK LIES THAT AREA WILL REMAIN AS CONSERVATION AND UNDISTURBED.

OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT THIS IS WHERE I THINK YOU REALLY GET TO THE MEAT OF THIS PROJECT WHERE IT KICKS IN AND PROVIDES SOMETHING. WE HAVE A 54 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY DONATION ACROSS THE FRONT AND A THREE AND HALF ACRE POND SITE DONATION. THESE ARE TRUE DONATIONS.

NO IMPACT THE CREDIT AGREEMENT FORUM.

NO PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT COMING TO LOOK FOR CREDIT FOR THIS PROJECT FROM EITHER ONE OF THESE.

WE KNOW HE RIGHT-OF-WAY DONATION IS NEEDED BY THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY WANTS AND FROM DAY ONE OF FILING THE APPLICATION THE COMMENTS CAME BACK TO PRESERVE THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY ACROSS THE FRONT. AND ALTHOUGH STAFF CAN'T TELL US THEY DEFINITELY NEED THIS SITE, THERE IS NO COUNTY POND SITE IN THIS AREA SO WE KNOW AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU NEED TO PUT OFF THE STORM WATER WHEN THERE'S AN EXPANSION OF THIS ROADWAY HAVING A POND SITE THERE THAT'S AVAILABLE, OBVIOUSLY IT WILL BE A BENEFICIAL THING.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS AT THIS STAGE YOU CAN SAY FOR SURE THAT YOU NEED IT. IT MAKES LOGICAL SENSE IT WILL BE A GREAT THING FOR THE COUNTY.

BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PREVIOUSLY ROAD IMPROVEMENT.

THIS IS THIS CONCERN ABOUT ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT STATE ROUTE 16 AND 16 A INTERSECTION. WE DID UPDATE OUR PUD TEXT COMMIT TO A MINIMUM OF $600,000 PAYMENT OR WHATEVER OUR FAIR SHARE AMOUNT IS. WE KNOW THAT WILL GO TOWARDS THIS IMPROVEMENT. I WILL JUST SHOW YOU VERY BRIEFLY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION WHERE IT MEETS 16 AND 16 A. WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FROM ENGLAND, THAMES AND MILLER SO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WIDENING 16 FROM FOUR LANES FROM THE INTERSECTION TO ST.

JAMES. THIS IS THE COUNTY PROJECT THAT IS NEEDED. COUNTY STAFF WOULD LIKE MONEY TOWARDS THIS ADDED IMPROVEMENT SO HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE DONE CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THIS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT AND SO WE ARE COMMITTING TO PAY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TOWARDS THAT. AGAIN, WE HAVE DRAWINGS WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM THE COUNTY TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE IMPROVEMENT APPROACH WOULD LOOK LIKE TO THE INTERSECTION.

AS WAS POINTED OUT IN THE STAFF ONE VOTE FROM YOU ON VED A 4 TO TRANSMITTAL. AND THE DOCUMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT POST TRANSMITTAL COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

WE SUBMITTED OUR TRAFFIC STUDY. WE CAN'T SUBMIT THAT UNTIL WE GET TRANSMITTAL. WE DID SUBMIT FOR OUR CONCURRENCY APPLICATION AND IT'S BEEN AND REVIEW.

NOTHING CAME UP THAT WAS UNANTICIPATED.

WE REVISE THE TEXT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE POND SITE AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ARE TRUE DONATIONS.

WE REVISED THE MAP TO RESPOND TO CONCERNS ABOUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO ALIGN WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF ARBOR MILL.

SORT OF PURPLE TO THAT WE CAME UP WITH THE NEXT RECORDER A GOAL FOR ACRE THIS WAS OUR ORIGINAL DRAWING AND THIS WAS WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET AT THE TRANSMITTAL TIME.

AND THE ISSUE WE LEARN IS IF OUR INSURANCE CAME IN THIS DIRECTION ALIGNING WITH ONE OF THE ARBOR MILL ENTRANCES, THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR A CONFLICT WHICH MIGHT CAUSE THIS TYPE OF SITUATION IN THE CENTER TURN LANE.

LOOKING AT THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO RELOCATE OUR ENTRANCE.

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IT'S IN BOTH THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PACKET AND THE PUD PACKET. IT'S THE ONE THAT FOLDS OUT SO NOTHING NEW BEFORE YOU TODAY. AGAIN, AS PER FULL TO THIS BY MOVING THE INTERESTS OVER WE PICKED UP ANOTHER QUARTER ACRE OF RECREATION SPACE. THAT WILL NOW MAKE OUR LEFT TURN LANE APPROXIMATELY IN THIS LOCATION TO WHERE IT DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH OUR REBELS LEFT TURN LANE.

>> POST TRANSMITTAL, TRAFFIC STUDY WE SUBMITTED.

WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT OUR FAIR SHARE NUMBER IS CALCULATED BY YOUR STAFF. WE HAVE COMMITTED TO PAYING MORE THAN THE MINIMUM OF OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

THAT'S WRITTEN INTO OUR PUD TEXT ALSO IN YOUR PACKET BEFORE YOU. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A REAL PROJECT. THIS ONE HAS PENDING APPLICATIONS READY TO GO AS I TOLD YOU THE TRAFFIC APPLICATION ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION APPLICATION WE HAVE SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS ALREADY IN AS WELL ON THIS. WE KNOW IT'S A REAL PROJECT.

I PULL THIS OFF OF THE COUNTIES WEBSITE.

WE FORGOT THE SOAP CON IN. PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BOTH ON THE COMP PLAN AND THE PUD. DOCTOR MCCORMICK WAS IN THE MAJORITY VOTE VOTING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO YOU.

A QUICK RECAP OF THE BENEFIT IN THAT STORMWATER POND ROAD WIDENING ADDITIONAL MONEY TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENT.

ALL WENT THROUGH QUICKLY KNOWING WHAT TIME IT IS IN THE

DAY FOR YOU. >> IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

MR. BURNETT? >> ON YOUR SITE PLAN IF YOU DON'T MIND BACKING UP ONE. RIGHT NOW THERE IS A DITCH THAT GOES ON THE SOUTHERN PERIMETER FROM HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THIS WETLAND RIGHT HERE. I BELIEVE THAT DITCH DRAINS THIS PIECE HERE. DOES IT DRAIN THIS OVER HERE AS

WELL? >> I'M NOT SURE THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. MAYBE WE WILL ASK MR. WARD.

>> MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT ON THIS SITE MAP THIS DITCH IS MAINTAINED. IT SEEMS TO BE GONE.

IT'S NOT INDICATED ON THERE BUT WE NEED TO BE CONSCIENCES OF THESE LANDOWNERS HERE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN ISSUES IN THE PAST WHERE THIS DITCH HAS BEEN DABBLED WITH AND HAS IMPEDED DRAINAGE. IT HAS A CONCERN FOR ME

>> AND I DO KNOW CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THIS KNOWING HOW THE COUNTY WORKS IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY MAKES SURE OF. I CAN SHARE IT TELL YOU THAT ISSUE IS DEALT WITH WERE NOT DEALT WITH AND OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S DEALT WITH IS NOT DEALT WITH IS GOING TO GENERATE A

COMMENT. >> I'M SURE.

ISSUES IN THE PAST. ANY OTHER QUESTION? SEEING THEM, WE WILL OPENED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FOUR. AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

AT THIS TIME MR. CHAIRMAN SEEING THAT WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSE I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THREE AND LET ME PREFACE MY MOTION BY SAYING THAT THE LAST BOARD MEETING NOVEMBER 5 VOTED AGAINST A PROJECT ON HIGHWAY 13 BECAUSE I FOUND IT TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

TODAY I FIND WHAT YOU CAN CHECK IN MY OPINION IS 1/5 BOX IN ADDITION TO THE FOUR BOXES THAT MR. BURNETT WANTED OUT.

I FIND THIS PROJECT VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA BECAUSE IT HAS RESIDENCES, NEIGHBORHOODS ON ALL THREE SIDES AND SO I AM VERY HAPPY TO MAKE THIS MOTION BECAUSE I FIND IT VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

I WILL MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2019

>> 74 >> ADOPTING COMP PLAN LIMIT 2016 Ã06 MINORCAN MILL BASED ON POOR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DINO THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING HIM, PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 4 TO 1. >> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. APPROVE MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2019 75 APPROVING PUD 2018 ÃONE MINORCAN MILL BASED

ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

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COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NINE

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL, I BELIEVE FROM MS. KAREN TAYLOR AND I DID NOT RESPOND.

SHE ASKED ME IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANY AT THE TIME. >> NONE, SIR.

>> I RECEIVED THE SAME EMAIL NOVEMBER 12, 10, 10:00 A.M. THE DESCRIPTION OF THE APPLICATION AND ITS REQUEST DISCUSSIONS VERY CLEAR OVERVIEW OF MIXED-USE AND OPEN WORLD TO CW I DID RESPOND AND SAID I HAD NO QUESTIONS AND WITH THAT, THAT SHOULD BE PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL MOVE ALONG WITH MR.

KELLY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. JUSTIN KELLY FIRST MANAGEMENT I WILL BE PRESENTING NUMBER FIVE REZONING 20 1915 HERITAGE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A REQUEST REZONE APPROXIMATELY 6.5 65 ACRES PROVIDED AS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF DOBBS ROAD AND KINGS ESTATE ROAD.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A FUTURE LAND USE OF FUTURE USE IS ZONED OPEN ROLE. AS MENTIONED IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 6.65 ACRES TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE WHICH WOULD OFFER COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. APPLICATION MATERIALS STATE PARTICULARS ONLY DISTRICT [INDISCERNIBLE] WHICH ARE THE PREVALENT ZONING DESIGNATIONS ALONG THIS PORTION OF DOBBS ROAD. REVIEWED BY STAFF SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF TWO LOTS IN THE EAST PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 4.5 ACRES ON THE RAILWAY ON THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. PTHE WEST PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 1.8 ACRES IN BOTH PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY VACANT AND HEAVILY TREATED. THE PROPOSED ZONING WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MIXED-USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES STAFF KNOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THE LAST REMAINING PORTION OF LAND THAT IS ZONED OPEN MORAL ALONG ITS EASTERN SECTION OF DOBBS ROAD.

PROVIDED HERE IS A TABLE THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USE CATEGORIES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN CW ZONING AND THIS REQUEST WOULD PERMIT THE TYPES OF USES THAT ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THIS APPLICATION. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN AN AREA WHERE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES ARE CONCENTRATED. THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD ELIMINATE MORE OF THE INTENSE USES THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED AN OPEN ROLE ZONING WHICH IS MINING AND EXTRACTION.

PROVIDED ON THIS SLIDE IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT THE END OF THE DOBBS ROAD COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR A LARGE MAJORITY OF LAND TO THE NORTH IS ZONED TO ALLOW THE TYPES OF USES PROPOSED AS A PART OF THIS REQUEST.

THIS REQUEST WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 17 AND THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST AND THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. STAFF DID RECEIVE ONE PHONE CALL REGARDING THIS REQUEST BUT THIS CALL WAS INFORMATIONAL IN NATURE AND THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED REZONING. OVERALL STAFF FINDS REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE LDC AND HAS PROVIDED FOR FINDINGS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THIS CONCLUDES SAL'S PRESENTATION AND STAFF WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND I DO BELIEVE THE

APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION. >> ANY QUESTIONS OR STAFF? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO THE

APPLICANT. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. KAREN TAYLOR, 77 SARAGOSSA ST.

AND [WORD] HERITAGE DEVELOPMENT GROUP IS WITH ME THIS MORNING AND I WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THAT I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT ONE THING I DO HAVE IS SOME PICTURES I THINK THAT ARE HELPFUL.

AND JUST AS A CLARIFICATION, I DID SEND THE EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU, AND I DID SEND IT THROUGH WITH YOUR STAFF AS WELL, AND I DID ÃSO I KNOW YOU GET TONS OF DIFFERENT EMAILS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I APOLOGIZE IF ÃTHAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU IF YOU WANTED TO.

ANYWAY, THAT IS AGAIN ONE OF MY WAYS THAT I USUALLY HANDLE IT WHEN IT'S FAIRLY NONCONTROVERSIAL ITEM.

SO BASICALLY I THINK HE SHOWED YOU BASICALLY THE OVERALL BUT I THINK IT HELPS TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND HERE. AND I THINK IT ALSO ÃIT'S .65

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AS WELL. AND IT DOES HAVE CASH AND YOU CAN SEE THE INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE AROUND IT UP INTO HERE IN THIS AREA. IF WE GET TO THE LAND USE MAP THAT GET YOU A LITTLE CLOSER. YOU CAN SEE THE MIXED-USE QUARTER AS WAS INDICATED AND THIS IS PART OF THAT KIND OF INCLUDED A BROADER ZONING MAP TO SHOW THAT DOBBS ROAD INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND CI AND STUFF THAT'S A LONG MAP SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SAME TYPE OF THING.

NOT A LITTLE CLOSER AND THE INDUSTRIAL THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS. I INCLUDED THE SURVEY AND ONE OF THE REASONS I DID WAS THE COUNTY HAS A VERY SUBSTANTIAL EASEMENT ALONG THE EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY IN HERE AND ALONG IN HERE. AND ACTUALLY OWNS PROPERTY THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE FACILITY WITHIN IT.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE AERIAL BUT I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER WITH SOME OF THE PICTURES SO IT JUST KIND OF DOES RUN AGAIN ALL ALONG THERE AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE BUT YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE IT ALONG HERE.

SO IN SOME OF THE PICTURES I THOUGHT I WOULD SHOW YOU, THAT IS RUNNING FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH ALONG DOBBS ROAD.

THAT IS FROM THE SITE LOOKING NORTH ON DOBBS ROAD.

THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET TO THE WEST AGAIN LOOKING SO.

THIS IS ALSO ACROSS TO THE WEST TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST.

AND THIS GETS US DOWN TO THE CORNER OF KINGS ESTATE AND DOBBS ROAD AS WELL TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT AREA LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK SO YOU CAN SEE THAT.

THIS IS KINGS ESTATE ROAD SO IT'S GOING EAST WEST.

AND THAT IS THE COUNTIES BONE DRAINAGE AREA ALSO THAT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT RUNS ALONG THAT PARTICULAR AREA AS WELL.

ACROSS THE ROAD OR DOWN ONTO THE SOUTH SIDE OF KINGS ESTATE ROAD, THAT IS A MAJOR DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN I TOOK THE PICTURE IT WAS RATHER LOW, AND AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF THAT PARTICULAR.

WHEATFIELD THE ADJACENT LAND USE SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE COMPATIBLE. IT'S A MIXTURE OF INDUSTRIAL AND INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES. IT'S GOT FRONTAGE ON TWO MAJOR IT'S A BUSY INTERSECTION. AND IT'S A SIMILAR INTENSITY USED TO THE AREA. WITH THAT, WE FEEL THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND AS MENTIONED, IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. TAYLOR? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. PFISTER. >> MR. SMITH: AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, SEEING NONE, WE

WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION

FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE 2019 Ã76 REZONING 2019 Ã15 HERITAGE DEVELOPMENT

BASED ON FOR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND

>> CAN HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE. REZONING 2019 Ã15 HERITAGE

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>> SECOND >> CAN HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE.T PASSES 5 TO 0. CONGRATULATIONS. MOVING ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

THIS IS EX PARTE. WE WILL START ON THE OTHER END NOW.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> NONE

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> I DID HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION AND I CALLED HIM KUECHLY.

I DON'T KNOW HIS FIRST NAME. BUT HE IS THE COACH AT THE NAVAL ACADEMY AND WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY WITH ME WHAT WAS GOING

ON IN PASSING. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> NONE, SIR >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE TO DODISCLOSE.

>> FOR THE RECORD VALERIE STUDENTS PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 REZONING 20 1911 VOLKSWAGEN PARKING EXPANSION.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO RESUME .8 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL TO

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THE EXTENSION AREA IS PROPOSED FOR PARKING IN SERVICE OF VEHICLES. IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE A CAR WASH AND A SALES OFFICE. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THE CURRENT ZONING OF RESIDENTIAL AND AS THIS APPLICATION SAYS TO REZONE TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO MATCH THE ZONING TO THE EAST. FOR THE PROPOSED USES, EACH FALL UNDER THE USE CATEGORIES OF HIGH INTENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND GENERAL Ã NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND GENERAL BUSINESS USERS TO ALLOW FOR CARWASH FACILITIES THE SALE AND RENTAL REPAIR AND SERVICE OF NEW OR USED AUTOMOBILES AS WELL AS PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. THIS IS THE USE CATEGORY CHART TO SHOW IF THE REZONING IS APPROVED THE NUMBER OF USE CATEGORIES WILL INCREASE. THE ANALYSIS OF STAFF WE FIND THAT THE REQUESTED REZONING APPEARS TO BE COMPATIBLE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THUS LOCATED IN A MIXED USE AREA WITH THE POTENTIAL TO DEVELOP A LIMITED NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES BEING THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LESS THAN AN ACRE.

THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL APPLY AND THERE WILL LIKELY BE A BUFFER REQUIRED PER THE LTC EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES. THIS IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP SHOWING APPROXIMATELY FIVE CAR DEALERSHIPS WITHIN A MILE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND THIS IS A COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS SHOWING SOME OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE SURROUNDING USES MOSTLY EITHER BEING VACANT OR COMMERCIAL.

ON OCTOBER 3 THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY VOTED 50 AND THE DISCUSSION WAS USES AND RESTRICTION ON THE ACCESS ONLY FROM U.S. WANT AND THE 20 BE BUFFER TO BE APPLIED TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES.

THERE IS ONE CONDITION PROPOSED FOR DIRECT ACCESS TO OR FROM THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THIS REZONING ORDINANCE TO BE PROHIBITED FROM THE TWO ROADS. THIS CONDITION AS WELL AS THE 20 BE BUFFER ARE PROVIDED TO'S GIVE THE RESIDENTS ADDITIONAL SAFETY MANAGEMENT MEASURES. STAFF HAS RECEIVED MULTIPLE CORRESPONDENCES EXPRESSING OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST WHICH ARE IN THE PACKET PROVIDED TO YOU.

THE REQUESTS ARE FOR REASONS RELATED TO POTENTIAL SAFETY AND NOISE ISSUES. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF REZONING 1911 VOLKSWAGEN PARKING EXPANSION.

STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEREFORE FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THIS COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION ON THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR STAFF? WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM THE

APPLICANT. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. SHANNON WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP 7 WALDO ST., FOR THE RECORD.

AS VALERIE STUDENTS MENTIONED THIS REZONING IS FOR A PARTICULAR BUSINESS FOR THE VOLKSWAGEN EXPANSION, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A LITTLE BIT LARGER VIEW OF THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN THE CORRIDOR TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ALONG 61 AND FOR THAT REASON I THINK THIS EXPANSION WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER ZONINGS WITHIN THE COURT OR, AND YOU CAN SEE FROM MORE OF A MACRO VIEW HERE IS WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING THE .8 ACRES TO EXPAND THE CI USE AND IF YOU LOOK AT ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL TYPES ZONING YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE. WE START TO SEE THE SORT OF PATTERN THAT'S BECOMING PREVALENT WITHIN THE CORRIDOR LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE AREAS BETWEEN U.S. 1 AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF DEALERSHIPS IN THE AREA AND SOMETIMES IT HELPS TO KIND OF HAVE A PICTURE TO SEE WHERE VOLKSWAGEN IS IN RELATION TO THAT ON THE SOUTHERN AREA ON U.S. 1. AND THE EXPANSION

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THE PROPOSED USE IS FOR VEHICLE STORAGE.

THIS IS IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH INVENTORY, SO THAT WHEN A DEALERSHIP, THEY CAN HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF FINDING THE CAR THEY WANT TO BUY. FOR THIS REASON, I DO NOT FORESEE ANY LARGE IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC AND THAT SORT OF THING.

ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT DURING STAFF REVIEW THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT ACCESS TO KYLE AMBRA BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S BEHIND HERE, AND SO WE HAVE INCLUDED THE CONDITION WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT NO ACCESS WILL BE PERMITTED ALONG EITHER RIGHT OF WAYS FOR THE AREA YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE AERIAL MAP. IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE A 20 FOOT BUFFER THAT'S PLANNED FOR THE PARKING EXPANSION AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE B STANDARDS WHICH WOULD REQUIRE TREES AND A SIX FOOT BUFFER. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN ONE OF THE CORRESPONDENCE WAS LIGHTING, AND I DID WANT TO CONFIRM THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY LIGHTING PROPOSED BUT IF THERE WERE IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF CANDLES ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. IN SUMMARY THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA FOR MEET THE BUFFERING STANDARDS AND THE PROPOSED USE WOULD NOT RESULT IN AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT.

AND WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS REZONING AND I WANTED TO MENTION MY CLIENT'S REPRESENTATIVE BILL CURTIS IS HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER OF THEM? SEEING NONE, VICE CHAIR WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. PUBLIC COMMENT.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> WE WILL NOW BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I AM SORRY.

ONE OF THE LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS STATED YOU HAVE EVENTS AT NIGHT LIKE A CONCERT STYLE EVENT.

IS THAT >> I ASKED THE CLIENT ABOUT THAT AND I GUESS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THERE WAS A SPECIAL EVENT FOR A CHARITY THAT WENT A LITTLE LATE BUT IS NOT A TYPICAL USE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP.

AND IN FACT, THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION DON'T GO IN LATER

THAN 8:00 P.M.. >> OKAY.

HOW FAR WILL THE CARWASH BE AWAY?

>> THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL EXPANSION FOR THE CARWASH.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THAT.

THERE IS AN EXISTING CARWASH THAT'S ON THE SITE.

RIGHT BY WHERE THE POND IS PROPOSED THIS IS WHERE THE

CARWASH IS TODAY. >> YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAD OUR STUFF THEY CAN REALLY CLEAN UP NOW. YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AS A VOLKSWAGEN AND YOU ADD THE NOISE AND THE LOUD MUSIC, THAT COULD BE TONED DOWN TO HELP THE NEIGHBORS OUT.

OKAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I

HAD.>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 20 1977 APPROVING AND REZONING 2019 Ã 11 WILL SLACKEN PARKING EXPANSION AND REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY .8 ACRES OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WITH A CONDITION BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND >> OF A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY JOHN'S. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

THIS PASSES 5 TO 0. CONGRATULATIONS.

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>> NONE, SIR >> I ALSO HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY MORNING WITH DOUG AND CYNTHIA AND WE DISCUSSED CHANGES THAT WERE MADE WITH AGREEMENTS WITH THE NEIGHBORS

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AND THAT'S IT.>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> THANK YOU. I DID HAVE A PHONE CALL WITH MR. DOUGLAS BURNETT WITH THE ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP AND WE SPOKE BRIEFLY ON THURSDAY THIS PAST WEEK BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT ASKED IF I HAD ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WHICH I DID NOT. A VERY BRIEF PHONE CALL.

>> LIKEWISE I HAD A DISCUSSION OR A PHONE CALL OR DISCUSSION WITH DOUG

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THEY PUT TOGETHER A RFP PROCESS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TERMS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WHICH HAD BEEN COLLECTIVELY PUT TOGETHER IN THAT DRAFT CONTRACT THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.

THAT INFORMATION IS ALSO ONLINE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE CULMINATION OF TERMS OF THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS. IT'S WITH THE BOARD'S LEISURE IF THEY WOULD LIKE ME TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH A ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT AGAIN, THE PROGRAM AND THE MERITS AND THE FEE STRUCTURE RELATED. AGAIN, IT'S ALL IN THAT CONTRACT AS WELL.

THE BOARD HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. UMM, ALSO, WITH ME TODAY, IS JAMIE LOCK LEER FROM PURCHASING. IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC PURCHASING RELATED ITEMS IN THE CONTRACT TERMS AS WELL AS DANIELLE LAST TER FROM REPUBLIC PARKING SERVICES.

THEY ARE OUR NUMBER ONE THAT WE'VE WE WERE MOVING FORWARD, NEGOTIATIONS WITH.

SO WITH THAT. >> WHAT IS THE BOARD'S DESIRE. MOVE FORWARD?

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COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> UMM, THIS IS REALLY QUESTIONED IN MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. THIS IS SORT OF A TWO PART DISCUSSION.

ONE IS A CONCEPT OR WE AS A BOARD IN FAVOR OF GOING FORWARD WITH PAID PARKING AT OUR BEACH PARKING LOTS AND OUR BOAT RAMPS. AND THEN THE SECOND MAJOR PART IS THE DISCUSSION OF IMPLEMENTING THE WORK PRODUCT AMENDING IT IN ANY WAY WE CHOOSE OR REJECTING IT.

-- I HAVE GIVEN THIS A LOT OF THOUGHT OVER THE LAST 4-5 MONTHS.

AND I HAVE NOW CHANGED MY POSITION. AND I DO NOT FAVOR PAID PARKING AT THE BEACH ACCESS POINTS FOR BOAT RAMPS. SO, I'M NOT GOING TO BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM. I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LISTENING MENT BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I WAS WONDERING OUT LOUD IF WE SHOULD CONSIDER A CONCEPTUAL VOTE AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE IF THE VOTE IS TO NOT GO FORWARD WITH PAID PARKING AT THIS POINT, THERE'S REALLY LITTLE NEED FOR THE

PRESENTATION. IF I MAKE ANY SENSE. >> THAT'S WHY WE ASKED.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE ASKED. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAXIMIZATION

A MOTION AT THIS POINT. >> I THINK WE HAVE SOME OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT AS WELL. >> I WOULD LEGAL PRIOR TO THE MEETING WHAT OUR STANCE WAS BECAUSE I VOTED IN THE NEGATIVE. I'M STILL NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. JUST CONCEPTUALLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A HUGE NEED TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, US HAVING ACCESS FUNDS.

WE HEARD A PRESENTATION TODAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE CHOOSING, HEY, IF IT'S A BOAT RAMP, YOU SHOULD BE CHARGED OR -- BUT IF YOU'RE USING A BIKE RAFT, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WE'RE NOT BEING CHARGED. THAT BOATER PAYS A FWC LICENSE THE COUNTY GETS PART OF. THEY PAY A TAG FEE THE COUNTY GETS PART OF.

HE'S ALREADY PAYING WAYS TO PLUS HIS REGULAR TAXES AND THEN YOU'LL WANT TO TAX HIM AGAIN USING THE FACILITY. THAT'S TOUGH. I WISH THERE WAS A LEGAL WAY WE COULD CHARGE THE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN. I DON'T SEE ANY WAY FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN BRIEFED THAT WE CAN. ESPECIALLY FROM THE FINE GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE

RECEIVE MONEY FROM TOO FROM PROPERTY TAXES. >> SKIP AHEAD, DO YOU HAVE A -- ANY KIND OF DISCOVERY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ENLIGHTEN THE BOARD IN REGARD TO PARTIAL

IMPLEMENTATION? >> MR. CHAIR, FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, THE BOARD VOTED BACK IN APRIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AND THE RESOLUTION ESSENTIALLY -- THE ADMINISTRATOR WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT. BUT THEN THE CONTRACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL. MY VIEW IS WHICHEVER COMMISSIONER TODAY, THIS IS NOT A REVOTE PER SE OF THE APRIL MONTH.

YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU. MY ADVICE IN COUNCIL IS THAT ANY COMMISSIONER MAY MAKE ANY VOTE ON THIS WITHOUT THE RESTRICTION OF THE RECONSIDERATION FACTOR.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE BEYOND THAT. YOU HAVE, ESSENTIALLY, SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP FOR START.

>> THAT WASN'T SOMETHING I THOUGHT WE WERE HEADED IN TOWARDS ANYWAY.

THERE'S NOT A -- THERE HASN'T BEEN A RECOMMENDATION TO RECONSIDER.

THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO MAYBE PART FROM THIS AND MOVE ON.

LIKEWISE, THE QUESTION AT HAND IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS LEGAL GROUNDS TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE NONRESIDENTS FOR USE OF OUR FACILITIES THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION IS.

>> I THINK ME AND COMMISSIONER WALL DRAN, THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP BEFORE WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH. THE REQUEST WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD CHARGE ONLY OUT OF STATE OR OUT OF COUNTY RESIDENTS FOR USE OF THE FACILITIES. THERE IS NO AUTHORIZATION THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS FOR THE PURPTSS

OF CHARGING FOR THE USE OF THE FACILITIES. >> NOW LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT.

NOW, WE CANNOT CHARGE -- IF WE'RE IN RECRYPT OF FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING, OR WE CANNOT AT

ALL? >> NOT AT ALL, TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION.

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>> WHAT WAS THE STATUTE ON THAT. >> WE COULD NOT FIND THE AUTHORITY THAT WOULD PERMIT

THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN -- MAY I HAVE JUST A QUICK SIDE BAR FOR A

MOMENT? >> SURE. >> JUST FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE, I

HAVE COMMISSIONER BLOCK UP NEXT AND COMMISSIONER JOHN. >> WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO QUALIFY AND TO DISTINGUISH ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, WITH ARE THERE SOME PROGRAMS THAT THE COUNTY'S INVOLVED WITH AS FAR AS FUNDING THAT'S A RESTRICTION WITH SOME OF THE FUNDING. BUT YOUR QUESTION WAS PARTICULAR TO STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OR LEGAL AUTHORITY. AND THAT ASPECT, OR THAT -- THAT ASPECT, IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN A RESIDENT AND A NONRESIDENT AND THESE FEES T COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS IN THE CONNECTION OF WHY YOU WOULD CHARGE THESE NONRESIDENTS PARKING AS OPPOSED TO CHARGING A FULL -- JUST A FLAT RATE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS.

AND THAT WOULD JUST BE WITHIN YOUR GENERAL POWERS, FEW BUH YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION, IN ORDER TO CHARGE NONCOUNTY RESIDENTS AND NOT TO

CHARGE COUNTY RESIDENTS. >> SO WE'VE GONE FROM CAN'T DO IT TO WE HAVE TO HAVE A NATIONAL

NEXUS. >> JUST TO MAKE SURE IT COULD BE DONE.

>> IT COULD BE DONE IF THERE WAS A RATIONAL BASIS. >> THAT'S WHAT TE QUESTION WAS,

AS LONG AS WE HAVE A NATIONAL NEXUS TO DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER DO YOU HAVE A

QUESTION? >> I WAS GOING TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, AND THE BEACH PARKING SIDE OF IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME, WHEN WE START ACCEPTING FEDERAL FUNDS FOR RENOURISH MENT, STATE FUNDS FOR THE OTHER, THAT IS THEIR TAX DOLLAR TOO THEY'RE PAYING FOR. YOU KNOW? SO IT'S A FINE LINE WE'RE WALKING HERE, TO ME TO CHARGE PEOPLE USE OF FACILITIES, AND I KNOW WE NEED TO TRY TO GET THE COSTING DOWN ON THEM AND EXPAND -- COST DOWN ON THEM AND JUST EXPAND. AND -- I DON'T LIKE THE PROGRAM AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER, I APOLOGIZE, I SKIPPED OVER YOU. I THOUGHT THE COMMISSIONER HAD

SOMETHING THERE. >> NO WORRIES MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. I DID NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS. THE FIRST TIME IT CAME AROUND.

THE REASON FOR THAT WAS I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE BURDEN WE'RE PLACING ON OUR RESIDENTS.

WE ALREADY HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE PAYING TAXES AND FEES. TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN TO ME IS CONCERNING. I THINK WE HAVE OTHER MEANS, OVER AVENUES WE COULD APPROACH THIS. BUT I DO NOT FEEL THIS IS THE RIGHT APPROACH RIGHT NOW, THE RIGHT IDEA. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT COME TO THIS COUNTY TO RETIRE ON OUR FIXED INCOMES. FOR US TO IMPOSE THIS, WHEN SOME OF THESE FEES ARE COMING FROM OTHER AREAS, IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME.

I WILL CONTINUE MY OPPOSITION TO THIS MEASURE. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BARNS.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> SE I HEARD CORRECTLY AS OF THIS MEETING, IF I HEARD CORRECTLY AS OF THIS MEETING JUST NOW, IT'S DETERMINED THAT THIS IS LEGALLY ALLOWED.

IF THERE'S A NEXUS. >> TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION IN CHARGING NONRESIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTS. THAT IS CORRECT. IF THERE'S A RATIONAL BASIS, WE

CAN SUPPORT, WE CAN DO THAT. >> IN MY BRIEFING AND IN PREVIOUS REQUESTS FOR THAT

INFORMATION, I WAS TOLD NO, IT'S NOT ALLOWED. >> BASED ON THE PROGRAM AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND THIS WAS VERY EARLY ON WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS BEING DISCUSSED WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS ABOARD AS OF ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT. ONE WAS A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PASSES, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKING, I THINK, COMMISSIONER WALL DRAN ASKED US TO LOOK AT PARKING.

AND BOAT RAMP ACCESS. SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WHICH ARE FACT SPECIFIC. BASED ON THE FACTS THAT WE HAD AND THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF THE PROGRAM, WE COULD NOT FIND A REASON TO SUPPORT BASED ON THOSE SCENARIOS, AUTHORIZATION TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION. AND IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S STAT SPECIFIC. WE WORK -- FACT SPECIFIC. AND WE WORKED WITH THE FACTS

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EARLY ON. >> I APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENTIATION, BUT THIS PROVES THE POINT HOW CRITICAL IT IS, THAT WE AS THE COMMUNITY RECEIVES ACCURATE AND CRITICAL INFORMATION. SO THE COMMUNITY CAN MAKE DECISIONS AND WE CAN MAKE REPRESENTATIVE DECISIONS BASED ON THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FULL-TIME STAFF WITH EXPERTISE OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS, IDEALLY NOT AT THE DICE ON LIVE TV, BUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO OUR CONSTITUENTS SO THAT THEY CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS RATHER THAN THE DAY OF THE MEETING WHEN WE ARE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN SMITH, MAY I -- PROVIDE A ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? WHILE -- AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THE RATIONAL NEXUS.

WHILE THERE MAYBE ALLOWANCE FOR A RATIONAL NEXUS, WHAT WAS -- HOW -- WE EXPLAINED IT DURING THE BRIEFINGS IS -- WHILE THERE MAYBE A RATIONAL NEXUS, UMM, A DISCUSSION WITH THE ARMY CORP.

OF ENGINEERS SAID THAT HAVING A DIFFERENTIATED RATE COULD PUT -- MAY PUT OUR FUNDING FOR OUR NOURISH MENT MENT PROGRAM IN JE. I'LL ALLOW THAT INTERPRETATION TO GO FURTHER.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S NOT A RECORD -- IT'S -- WHAT WOULD -- KIND OF A LET'S WATCH THAT BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT IT A DIFFERENTIATED RATE. ESPECIALLY WITH OUR EXISTING

NOURISH MENT AND OUR UPCOMING -- NOURISH MENT PROGRAMS IN PLACE. >> AND I THINK I ASKED THAT MANY MY QUESTION. IT'S NOT ALL OR NOTHING, AND YET, IS THERE A PROHIBITION OR A RESTRICTIONS IN REGARD TO STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING? AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED AND IT'S BEEN DISCLOSED AND I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL ITEM. IT'S JUST ASKING TO MAKE SURE WE ALL HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION TODAY.

LEGAL? >> MR. CHAIR, WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, YOU KIND OF HIT ON, WE CLARIFY IS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IS IT RECOMMENDED TO DO SO -- ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO SO BY STATUTE BY SOME LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO SO WHICH IS DIFFERENT IN THE CONTEXT OF IS THERE A RESTRICTION ON FUNDING THAT. THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. ARE YOU LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO DO SO OR ARE YOU PROHIBITED FROM DOING SO. OR IF YOU DO, DOES IT FORE FIT A FEDERAL PROGRAM, A STATE PROGRAM. SOME GRANT FUNDING REQUIREMENT. SO WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR IN

ANSWERING THE QUESTION. >> IT IS PERMISSIBLE. IT'S JUST THAT THERE IS -- THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON SOME FUNDING THAT'S EITHER COMING, FORTHCOMING OR ALREADY HERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. >> IT MAYBE A PROHIBITION BY THE AGENT OR AGENCY THAT'S PROVIDING

THE FUNDING. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?

>> I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE MYSELF. I SAID, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING THROUGH THIS, THIS CONTRACT, I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH PERIOD. I HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH PROCEDURE AS WELL. I WANT TO BRING THESE UP. I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. IF IT'S TRUE, AND I WANT TO READ AN EXCERPT FROM A E-MAIL I RECEIVED THAT I BELIEVE THE REST OF THE COMMISSION DID -- AND I'LL READ IT IN PART.

HE SAYS THIS GENTLEMAN SAYS WE WERE TOLD THAT WAS VERY PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND MANY DETAILS NOT YET FLUSHED OUT. THERE WOULD BE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS TO EXPLAIN THE FINDINGS AND PROPOSED PLANS. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO FOLLOW UP MEETINGS AND I STILL HAVE MANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS PROGRAM.

AND THEN HE STRONGLY URGES TO DEFER ON ANY ACTION ON THE PROGRAM AT LEAST UNTIL THERE'S THE -- THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED OF THE COST BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM.

AND I -- MY QUESTION IS THIS, IS THAT HOW MANY MEETINGS DID WE HAVE WERE THERE PROMISE TO BE

FOLLOW UP MEETINGS? AND WERE THOSE ADHERED TO? >> MEETINGS SPECIFIC TO?

>> PUBLIC? >> PUBLIC MEETINGS. >> YES.

>> THERE WERE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS. I CAN READ THE ENTIRE E-MAIL.

UMM, THIS FELLOW SAYS HE'S ATTENDED INFORMATIONAL AND INFORMAL MEETINGS CONDUCTED BY COUNTY STAFF SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. I, AND MANY OTHERS AT THE MEETING HAD NUMEROUS QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS PROGRAM WAS TO WORK AND WHAT BENEFITS WERE TO ARRIVE AND HOW THE ECONOMICS ARE TO PLAY OUT. HE CONTINUES IN MY OPINION, STAFF WAS NOT WELL PREPARED AT THE MEETING BUT CONSIDERING THIS WAS ADVERTISED AS A INFORMATION GATHERING MEETING, I TOOK THEM AT THEIR WORD THAT WE INDEED WERE JUST GATHERING INFORMATION. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

PROMISES MADE IN REGARD TO ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND WERE THOSE FOLLOWED UP WITH.

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>> SO THE ONLY PUBLIC MEETINGS IN HERE, WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BOAT RAMPS, THE WATER WAY ACCESS THAT WE HAD LAST FALL. THOSE ARE THE ONLY REAL PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAD.

>> HE SAYS PUBLIC. >> WE ONLY HAD ONE. >> THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD ONE OF.

I WAS -- I DID NOT ATTEND THOSE. AND I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THERE WERE FOLLOW UP PUBLIC MEETINGS REQUIRED. THIS WAS A NORMAL RFP PROCESS. IN WHICH WE DID NOT INCLUDE ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT PUBLIC -- HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER

WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETING RESPONSE -- >> FROM WHAT I GATHER, INTERNALLY INSIDE THIS E-MAIL, THAT THEY WERE PROMISED THAT AT THIS MEETING.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M -- WAS AT -- COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? >> I WAS THERE.

I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING, BUT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIND MY NOTES. THE PEOPLE CAME FOR INFORMATION AND WE DISCUSSED IT REAL GOOD.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF I BELIEVE DOUG AND BILLY. BILLY WAS FOR SURE THIS.

WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND I THOUGHT -- I WAS THINKING WE WOULD HAVE A FOLLOW-UP FORM.

BUT I CAN NOT 100% TELL YOU THAT. >> AND THAT'S SOMETHING FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT. HERE I HAVE A GENTLEMAN THAT FELT LIKE THERE WAS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROMISES WERE MADE. I WAS NOT THERE.

I JUST WANT -- WHEN THE PUBLIC GATHERS TOGETHER TO DO THIS, THEY WANT THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND IN -- THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THE FORUM TO HANDLE THAT IN.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TOLD, WHAT THEY'RE NOT TOLD. I WASN'T AT THE MEETING.

PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. BUT UMM, IF THEY WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A FOLLOW UP AND AT LEAST AN ANSWER TO THEIR QUESTIONS, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND I -- I'D SAY --

>> THERE WAS AN E-MAIL -- BILLY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I HATE TO CALL YOU OUT FROM WAY BACK HERE. I THINK AFTER LUNCH, WE'LL START CLOSING ALL BUT THE FRONT TWO ROWS. KIND OF HERE EVERYBODY COME FORWARD.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE WAS AN E-MAIL THAT SENT OUT THOSE THO LEFT E-MAIL WITH ANSWERS. WE DIDN'T HAVE MORE OF DISCUSSION ON.

BUT THERE WAS ANSWERS PROVIDED -- I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER WE

PROMISE TO HAVE AN [INDISCERNIBLE] OR NOT. >> YES, SIR, AND FOR THE CHAIRS, THERE WAS A PUBLIC MEETING HELD AS WELL AS ONE AT THE AGENCY, TO GAME AND FISH AT THE "OF THE OTERS. TWO MEETINGS.

ONE WAS ADVERTISE UNTIL THE PUBLIC MEETING AND ANOTHER INVITE MEETING THAT I ATTENDED.

>> WE PRODUCED ALL THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT WERE ASKED THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND THROUGH AN E-MAIL. PROBABLY WITHIN FOUR WEEKS AFTER THOSE TWO MEETINGS COMPLETED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS COMPLETE AND WE COULD PROVIDE THOSE TO THE BOARD.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT'S WHAT FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, IF THEY WERE PROMISED THESE QUESTIONS WOULD BE ANSWERED, THEY NEED TO BE ANSWERED. JUST GOING THROUGH IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE FOLKS, ESPECIALLY THIS ONE, HAS THAT INFORMATION.

AND WAS THERE ANOTHER MEETING THAT WAS MENTIONED, ALLUDED TO THAT WAS NOT HELD?

>> WITH OUR REVIEW AND THE QUESTION AND ANSWER REVIEWING THE NOTES OF THE MEETING, I

CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. >>> VERY GOOD. MY FEELINGS ON THIS NUMBER ONE, IF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY NEEDS REV REVENUE, THAT'S A CONJUNCTION OF CONDITION, IF. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR REVENUE, I BELIEVE THAT USER FEES ARE A VERY RIGHTFUL MEANS BY WHICH TO ATTAIN THAT GOAL. UMM, THE KEY TO IT IS THAT THIS SPENT DO WE NEED TO REVENUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A $15 MILLION SURPLUS AND IS PERCEIVED THERE'S EXCESS HERE? I JUST HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT APPEARS NOT TO BE NECESSARY. I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND CAREFULLY REEVALUATE OUR BEACH EXPENDITURES TO MAKE SURE THE SERVICES ARE BEING RIGHTFULLY IMPLEMENTED AND EXPENDITURES ARE IN LINE. TELL YOU WHAT, THIS IS A VOLATILE ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE COME OUT WITH ALL THIS EXCESS.

AND I -- I GO BACK TO, AGAIN, I'VE READ THIS CONTRACT. I HAVE SOME VERY -- I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH IT THAT I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT TODAY. THAT'S FOR CERTAIN.

BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY NEED TO DISCUSS THAT IF THERE'S NOT A WILL OF THIS BOARD -- A MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO ASK LEGAL. I I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN AJ ADVISORY LEGAL OPINION. 76 DASH 124. I THINK -- DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE

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THERE SEEMED TO BE NO AMBIGUITY. >> CAN YOU FILL US IN WHAT THAT IS.

>> THE ATO, THERE'S A QUESTION POSED WHETHER HOW WHEN AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES NONRESIDENTS COULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY AS RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY. AND IT TALKS ABOUT WHEN THOSE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN UPHELD. AND THERE ARE CASES THAT THAT UPHOLD THE DIFFERENTIATION OF TREAT ING A RESIDENT AND NONRESIDENT DIFFERENT. AND AGAIN, WHAT I MENTIONED, PARTICULARLY TO COMMISSIONER JOHN, THEY'RE VERY FACTS SPECIFIC.

AND IN THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE'RE HAVING ABOUT THE PARKING PROGRAM, WHICH WAS MORE THAN A YEARS AGO, THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF DETAILS. THERE WERE A FEW SCENARIOS PROVIDED. I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THOSE SCENARIOS AS WELL. SO TO DO AN ANALYSIS, A SPECIFI SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS THIS PROGRAM GOING TO BE ALL THE DETAILS OF THE PROGRAM AND WERE THE ANALYSIS BASED ON THE FACTS

WE HAVE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US. >> THANK YOU.

AND IF I MAY GO THROUGH THE CHAIR TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, WE HAVE REVIEWED THAT AG OPINION AS MS. ROSS STATES. VERY SIMPLY, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT JUST SAY RESIDENTS ONE FEE. NONRESIDENTS ANOTHER. THERE HAS BEEN A BASIS FOR IT.

BUT IF THERE IS A BASIS, ONE MIGHT BE IS THAT IF THERE ARE GENERAL FUND, MONEYS BE PAID BY PROPERTY TAX, YOU KNOW, INPUT, IF SOME OF THOSE ARE BEING USED. AND THAT'S LOOKED AT.

THAT WOULD BE A BASIS. SOMEBODY FROM ILLINOIS SNOT PAYING, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT LIVES AND OWNED PROPERTY IN ILLINOIS AND NOT HERE, AND IS JUST VISITING AND NOT PAYING INTO THAT, WHERE SOMEBODY IN TASTINGS MAYBE. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A BASIS.

SO IT CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T JUST SAY UMM, WITHOUT ANY ANALYSIS, RESIDENTS HERE, NONRESIDENTS THERE FOR DIFFERENT FEES. BUT THERE CAN BE, AS INDICATED, A BASIS TO DISTINGUISH.

AND THAT IS SEPARATE, DIVISIONER, SMITH, AND MR. CHAIR, FROM PROGRAMS AND THIS MIGHT BE FIND FUNDS WHERE THEY MAY HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.

AGAIN, FEMA FUNDS. IT MIGHT BE FOR THE PURPOSES OF UMM, BEING ABLE TO COUNT PARKING FOR THE -- YOU KNOW, BASICALLY REIMBURSE MENT THROUGH A FEDERAL PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES ARE PERMITTED. SO THOSE ARE SEPARATE FOR THE GIST -- THE GENERAL PREMISE, NO FEDERAL, STATE, ANY FUNDS, GRANT FUNDS, THERE CAN BE A DISTINCTION. BUT ON A RATIONAL BASIS WITH SOME ANALYSIS.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER LEANING TOWARDS MAKE ING A MOTION EARLIER.

IF YOU ENTERTAIN IT. >> THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO AT THIS POINT. ONE IS THAT IF THERE IS NO MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF PROPOSAL FOR THE CONTRACT, THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN. PBUT I'D SORT OF LIKE TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE STAFF WHAT TO DO IN THE FUTURE. WHAT IS OUR -- WHAT'S THE INTENT OF THE MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE A MOTION IF IT PASSES, WE'LL CAPTURE THAT INTENT. MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT THIS BOARD DIRECT STAFF TO NO LONGER PURSUE PAID PARKING FOR OFF BEACH PARKING ARE FOR BOAT RAMP PARKING PERIOD.

THAT'S MY MOTION. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, ANY

FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION IN A

MINUTE. I'M ASKING -- -- >> IF I MAY ADD SOME LANGUAGE

ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. >> IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND SECOND WOULD INCLUDE WITHIN THE MOTION ALSO TO REJECT ALL PROPOSALS UNDER RFP NUMBER 19-33 PARKING MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS, THAT'S AN RFP THAT'S BEEN UNDER WAY, ET CETERA. SO THIS COULD BE --

>> I WOULD INCLUDE THAT. I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO REMOVE THAT -- --

>> I'LL AMEND MY SECOND TO REFLECT THAT LANGUAGE. >> WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION.

I'LL TAKE THAT A SOLIDARITY IN REGARD TO THE MOTION TO BE MADE. ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE

BOARD? >> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON A GYM 909. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

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WE HAVE TWO MICROPHONES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROOM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

GEORGE, 3800 LAUREL STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE. SORRY I MISSED ALL THEDY CUSHION. YOU GUYS -- DISCUSSION. YOU GUYS STARTED EARLIER FOR THAT. I SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MR. -- AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD.

>> I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE IMPETUS FOR THIS, WAS TO CLOSE A FINANCIAL DEFICIT IN B SERVICES.

WE'LL DO WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED IN LOOK AT HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR FUNDS NAH CATEGORY IN. ALL LIKELIHOOD, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF GENERAL FUND TRANSFE I ASSUME FROM THE MAJOR JURORS. I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE.

>> THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO BE INVESTIGATED. AND I WOULD HIGH -- --

>> THIS COMMUNITY HAS SAID THEY WANT THAT BE TO BE PLACED THERE'S SOME RESERVE THERE THAT RECOLLECT. PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD WOULD BE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE SOMEWHERE AROUND $800,000. SOMETHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,

IS IT CORRECT? >> THAT'S WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.

IT MAYBE LESS, IT MAYBE MORE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE MOTION AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A FINANCIAL OBLIGATION THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED. HENCE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

LET'S GO. >> LET'S GO AHEAD IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN -- >>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS TIME WE'LL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> YOU'RE TRYING TO VOTE? >> PLEASE VOTE.

AND IT PASSES 5-0. WE WILL ADDRESS ANY SHORT FALL THAT COMES THERE AND DEFINITELY LOOK AT SOME OTHER MEANS THAT MADE THE OTHERS AND GENERAL FUND AS WELL.

THANK YOU. MOVE ALONG TO GENERAL ITEM NUMBER TEN.

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APOLOGIZE, I HAVE STUFF ALL OVER THE PLACE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

>> WE RECEIVED EIGHT APPLICATIONS WHICH ARE ATTACHED ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE IDA. ONE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS DOES INCLUDE A LETTER REQUESTING REAPPOINTMENT AND THAT IS THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM

HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. >> THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> UMM, NO MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

SEEING NONE, LET'S -- YOU CAN MAKE. >> YOU CAN MAKE A MOSQUITO.

IF IT'S SECONDED, YOU CAN GO AHEAD -- YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THAT.

IT'S A PRETTY LENGTHY APPLICATION LIST. >> WE'LL HERE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN. PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU KNOW,

PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> NOW CLOSED, WE'RE BACK TO THE

BOARD AND I'LL OBTAIN A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MELISSA EBBING CART TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULE SET TO

SCHEDULE ON THE TWENTY-FIRST. >> IS THERE A SECOND? IT PASSES 5-0.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN IF YOU'LL ALLOW HIM AN ADDITIONAL MOTION. A MOTION TO APPOINT CHEAT TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE OCTOBER 1ST,

2023. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

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I'D LIKE TO DISCUSSION. OUR LIAISON ON THE BOARD. AND MR. SKINNER HAS BEEN BOARD FOR A SHORT TIME. HE WAS REMITTED BY THE BOARD, NOT ON HIS OWN.

I WOULD BE IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF MR. SKINNER. I DON'T KNOW THIS NOMINEE YOU

PUT FORWARD, BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF MR. SKINNER. >>> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO -- MR. SKINNER IS VERY QUALIFIED, OUT STAND PING. MR. FRITH, COUNCIL MILITARY EXPERIENCES HAD GREAT EXPERIENCE IN NAVY AND WORKING IN INDUSTRIAL FIELD.

THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING HIM FARED. >> SO IS MR. SKIN AEROVIETNAM VETERAN, I DO BELIEVE. THAT'S ONE THING -- HE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS DOWN IN THIS CENTRAL PART OF THE STATE AS WELL. WORK FOR A CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

I'M JUST PUTTING FORTH MY -- SEEING WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. SKINNER THERE. SO THAT IS MY DESIRE. W HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. COMMISSIONER JOHNS? WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES, 3-2.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE NOW HAVE MR. FRIFT AND MS. ECKERD ARE ON THE IDEA.

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WE'LL MOVE ONTO ITEM NUMBER 11. >> THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS.

THIS BOARD HAS SIX VACANCIES ON IT. THESE ARE DUE TO FOUR EXPIRED TERMS AND TWO RESIGNATIONS. WE HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING THESE VACANCIES MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE MARCH OF 2018. NOW IN YOUR PACKET, YOU DO HAVE -- I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE EXACTLY FOUR APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE SIX SEATS TO CONSIDER. AND THERE IS ALSO ALONG IN THE PACKET, A CORRESPONDENCE REQUESTING REAPPOINTMENT FROM TWO OUT OF THE THREE APPLICANTS THAT ARE CURRENT MEMBERS SITING ON THIS BOARD. THAT'S THE BASICS OF THIS APPOINTMENT AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT TWO OUT OF THE SIX VACANCIES ARE ALTERNATE POSITIONS. SO WITH ONLY FOUR APPLICANTS, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPOINT ALL FOUR, WE WILL CONTINUE TO READVERTISE THAT T VACANCIES ON

THIS BOARD. >> WE HAVE SIX VACANCIES AND FOUR APPLICATIONS.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> YOU WANT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST?

>> SURE. LET'S DO PUBLIC COMMENTS. MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.

>> THIS TIME WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THIS TIME, NOT SEEING ANYONE COMING

FORWARD, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I'LL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION

ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11:00. >> I DO THE TOP THREE TOGETHER. AND THEN THE BOTTOM ONE.

AND THEN THREE REAPPOINTS AND ONE APPOINTS. >> YES, SIR.

>> MOTION TO REAJOINT JOHN RUE JEERRY. DAVID, AND JEFF, TO A CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF APPEALS FOR FULL FOUR YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER NINETEENTHS 2023. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALL DRAN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. NOW WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT ALEX C CLAY.

FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM, SCHEDULE ED TO EXPIRE, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2023.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALL DRAN. A SECOND? A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE.

ITEM 2, 5-0. WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO AN ADDITIONAL ITEM IT HAS TO DO

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MR. BATTLE. >> YES APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE NOTICE ON THIS.

WE HAVE A LITTLE URGENCY HERE. IT'S BEEN WANDERING THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.

THE URGENCY IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS DONATION AND BUILD THIS PLAYGROUND BEFORE OPENING DAY OF THE SEASON IN FEBRUARY. SO, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL.

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THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB HISTORICALLY AT FUND RAISING. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH, WE RECEIVE A GIFT LIKE THIS, WHAT IS THE PROPER PROCEDURE.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT.

STAFF AND PARKS AND RECREATION CREATE ED A FACILITY MODIFICATION FORM WE'RE UTILIZING AND BEEN APPROVED BY ADMINISTRATION BY THE BUDGET AND LAW DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD.

HOPEFULLY THIS'LL BE A LITTLE SMOOTHER AS THE FIRST ONE, THIS TYPE OF DONATION, WE RUN THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE WHILE TO GET THERE, WE THINK WE HAVE A GOOD

PROCESS THAT SHOULD WORK IN THE FUTURE. >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH MR. PA TELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN UP FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN UP FOR ADDITIONAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT SEEING ANYONE

COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CLOSED.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 12. >> 390.

>>> RECOGNIZING AND APPROPRIATING UNANTICIPATED REVENUE IN THE AMOUNT OF 150,000, $244.46, RESULT ING FROMFUNDS DONATED BY CREEK'S ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF FIELD OF DREAMS.

RESERVED TO ASSIST IN COMPLETING THE PROJECT. >> SECOND.

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IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO DO, I HOPE IT'S ABLE TO CONTINUE. >>> COMMISSIONER WALL DRAN?

>> JUST A COUPLE THINGS. YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMMISSIONER JOHN'S LINES.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS TO MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THANKSGIVING IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE HOLIDAYS. WE HAVE SO MUCH TO BE THANKFUL FOR IN OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR HOMES. AND OUR COUNTRY. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE -- EVERYBODY AND FRIENDS TRY TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE DINNER AND JUST ENJOY THE WEEKEND.

A COUPLE THINGS ON A BUSINESS SIDE OF IT IS, WHEN I FIRST STARTED IN -- AS A COMMISSIONER, TOWARDS AN ACTION REPORT OF EVERY MEETING OF WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND WHERE WE STOOD ON

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IF WE COULD GET BACK THE DIRECTION, YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP THAT'S BEEN ASKED WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN DROPPED OR WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN DROPPED FOR THE BOARD. THAT'S THE -- YOU KNOW ONE OF THEM WAS TODAY, EVEN THOUGH WE WON'T KNOW EXACT FUNDS FOR MAINTENANCE TO COME OUT OF, IF WE COULD IS HAVE AN IDEA OF WHO'S GOING TO COME FOR WHAT. WEATHER IT'S PARKS OR RECK, OR REGULAR ROAD MAINTENANCE THAT KIND OF STUFF. KIND OF LOOKIN AT THE BIKE PATH MOVING FORWARD, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT ECONOMICALLY SOUND. IF OUR PAVEMENT IS TEN-FOOT WIDE, 10-12-FOOT TO PASS, IT COSTS MORE MONEY. THAT BASE AND SUFFERS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S IT. OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYBODY HAVE

A GOOD THANKSGIVING. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> WELL I JUST WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO SAY HAVING WORKED IN MY STATE CAREER FOR FIVE DIFFERENT GOVERNORS, I'M NOW LOOKING AT A GOVERNOR WHO IS 30 YEARS YOUNGER MAN ME AND I JUST WANT TO SAY TO GOVERNOR DESAN AT THE SCENE, WHAT WONDERFUL NEWS IT WAS YESTERDAY FOR HIS PROPOSED BUDGET.

HE'S MAKING GREAT STRIDES. HE'S RECOMMENDING INCREASING FUNDING FOR EDUCATION.

THERE'S SOME ISSUES AROUND THAT. BUT THE INCREASE IS GREAT. HE'S ALSO RECOMMENDING 100 MILLION WHICH IS UNFUNDED DURING THE PREVIOUS EIGHT YEARS BEFORE HIS YEAR LAST YEAR.

>> A MEMBER OF THE SPORT IS A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE NEXT TO THE WOULD BE NECESSARY CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP IN MAKING THIS MOTION HIS IS MY OPINION THAT OUR COUNTY MINISTER IS NO LONGER ABLE TO DO AS NEEDED. I, TO THIS BOARD WITH AN OPEN MIND AS RECENTLY AS EARLY THIS YEAR VOTED TO EXTEND HIS CONTRACT FOR ONE YEAR. HOWEVER, IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS I HAVE OBSERVED HIM, WHERE OF A NUMBER OF SYSTEMIC LEADERSHIP PROBLEMS THAT ARE BOTH CONCERNING AND LED TO MY LOSS OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR MINISTRATION.

WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED IS PROFOUNDLY DISTURBING. AS RECENTLY OUR BOARD GAVE CLEAR DIRECTION IN MY DISTRICT. OUR GOD IS THAT WE APPROVED WAS NOT FOLLOWED BY STAFF TO THE DETRIMENT OF OUR CITIZENS, TO MY NEIGHBORS INTO THOSE WHO ARE LIVE BY EVERY DAY.

IT IS MY OPINION THAT OUR BOARD AND THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN UNDERMINED.

WHAT FOLLOWED WAS A BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS THAT HAS LED TO UTTER CONFUSION AMONG THE PUBLIC AND THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. WILL NOT SIT BY AND ALLOW IT TO A CORPORATE ANSWER TO THE VOTERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AS TO EACH OF YOU.

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WHEN THEY FAILED TO FOLLOW OUR DIRECTIONS A BOARD.I PERSONALLY, I THINK HE IS A GOOD MAN AND I THINK HE IS AN HONORABLE MAN AND HE HAS DONE MANY GREAT THINGS FOR COUNTY.

OVER HIS VERY LONG TENURE. HE IS A PROFESSIONAL AND HE APPROACHES HIS JOB WITH CLASS.

I APPRECIATE HIM. BUT THIS IS NOT PERSONAL AND IS BUSINESS.

ALL OF THIS WAS AFFORDABLE AND FORMIDABLE YET WE ARE HERE TODAY.

TO EMPLOY SITTING THIS ROOM TODAY ANSWER TO THIS BOARD DIRECTLY.

MR. WINDER, THE COUNTY MINISTER AND MR. MCCORMICK, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP FAILURE IT IS OUR DUTY TO ADDRESS IT.UR VOTERS HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE WE HOLD THESE TWO MEN ACCOUNTABLE. THAT'S WHY I AM PREPARED TO DO MY JOB BY BRING UP THESE CONCERNS AND HOLD UP THE LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE TO THIS BOARD WOULD YOU PREFER THE

FOLLOWING MOTION. >> YES. IT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN IF YOU WOULD ALLOW I PREFER THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF MR. ONE CHECK AS PER HIS CONTRACT. I MOVE FOR THE APPOINTMENT CONTROLLER.

A MOVE FOR THE NUMBER OF THIS BOARD TO OVERSEE THIS PROCESS. I SPOKE TO THE COURT REPORTER OVER THE WEEKEND WITH MY INTEN . I ASKED HIM TO SERVE AS INTERIM IT IS ELECTED CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER HAS BEEN ELECTED BY THE PUBLIC AND WAS APPOINTED BY POPULAR GOVERNOR AND IS THE COMPTROLLER THE COUNTY WHO HAS A COUNTY LAW BACK AND I THINK IS BEST SUITED TO ASSUME THE INTERIM WHILE OVERSEE THE PROCESS TO FIND A PERMANENT

REPLACEMENT. >> IF WE WOULD TAKE THIS ONE MOTION AT A TIME.

FIRST MOTION. >> IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND REPEATING.

>> FOR THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF MR. WOJCIECH AS A COUNTY MINISTER FOR HIS CONTRACT.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. CHRIS WE HAVE A SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?LEGAL?

>> YES. MR. CHAIR I ASKED DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY TO GO UP AND GET A COPY OF HIS CONTRACT. I WILL NOTE THERE IS A FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 125 73 WHICH I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND PERHAPS THE CONTRACT THAT MAY FOLLOW.

AND WHERE I AM GOING TO. 125.73 IF YOU HAVE THIS YOU MIGHT WANT APPOINTED UP TO.

THE RELATIVE PART, THE COUNTY MINISTER SHOULD BE QUALIFIED BY ADMINISTRATIVE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE AND ABILITY TO SERVE AS CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR OF THE COUNTY.

HE SHALL BE APPOINTED, I WILL KEEP GOING. LET'S SEE.

ALL RIGHT. HE SHALL BE APPOINTED BY AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF NOT LESS THAN THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND MAYBE REMOVED AT ANY TIME BY AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE UPON NOTICE OF NOT LESS THAN THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

IT IS AFRAID A LITTLE AWKWARD SO A MAJORITY VOTE CAN ACT TO REMOVE, BUT IT DOES SAY UPON NOTICE AND AFTER A HEARING IF SUCH BE REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES THERE THAT REALLY DON'T GO INTO DETAIL, BUT ONE OF THEM CAN BE REMOVED AT ANY TIME. BUT AS A CAVEAT, UPON NOTICE BUT DOES NOT EXACTLY SAY WHAT NOTICE IS THERE. BUT IT DOES SAY AFTER A HEARING OF SUCH BE REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO THE BOARD BEFORE THE

BOARD PROCEEDS FURTHER. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND MADE A MOTION. UNDERSTAND MR. MCCORMICK'S UNDERSTANDING AND OBVIOUSLY THERE IS PROCEDURAL ISSUES HERE. A MOTION IF THE BOARD CHOOSES

TO FOLLOW, IF NOT, MY MOTION STANDS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN.

NO ONE IS COMING FIRST WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT", MOTION AND

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IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> COMMISSIONERS HERE I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY ADVICE AND THE BOARD WILL ACT HOW IT ACTS. I DO READ THE LANGUAGE UPON NOTICE. I AM CONCERNED THAT NOTICE MAYBE VIEWED BY A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION AS A NUMBER OF DAYS OR SO. OF TIME AND THEN THE PHRASE OF AFTER HEARING, IF SUCH BE REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO IT WOULD BE MY ADVICE, SHOULD THE BOARD TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INQUIRY TO THE COUNTY DEMONSTRATOR ABOUT A HEARING IF SUCH BE REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY

ADMINISTRATOR. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR. MR. MCCORMICK. WHAT LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE NOTICE

DO YOU RECOMMEND. >> I THINK, CERTAINLY AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, I THINK WITH THE ADEQUATE NOTICE. WHETHER THERE COULD BE A LESSER TIME AND A SPECIAL MEETING.

I WOULD SAY SAME DAY, I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT. AND SORT OF ALMOST AN IMMEDIATE

TYPE THING I WOULD HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT CONCERN ABOUT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> I WORKED FOR COLLEGIATE BODY FOR 21 YEARS. DURING THAT TIME IT WAS MY POSITION THAT IF THE BODY DID NOT NO LONGER WANT ME TO SERVE AS HER IS A CONTRACTOR I WOULD RESIGN. I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT IF HE LACKS OUR CONGRESS THAT HE WOULD NOT FILE A HEARING OR CHALLENGE OUR DECISION. I HAVE TOO MUCH RESPECT FOR ME THINK OTHERWISE. I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND REMOVE $45.00.

WOULD YOU PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH YOUR SECOND MOTION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

I MOVE FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CLERK OF COURT AS COMPTROLLER AS COUNTY

CONTROLLER AS TEMPER IN ROOM. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND IN A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALKER AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. HAVE YOU TALKED AND DISCUSSED WITH HIM IF HE IS WILLING AND

ABLE TO DO SO? >> HE IS. I SPOKE TO HIM AS RECENTLY AS SUNDAY EVENING AND HE INDICATED, IF CALLED UPON BY THIS BODY, HE WOULD BE WILLING

TO SERVE ON A TEMPORARY INTERIM BASIS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN, NO PUBLIC COMMENT

AND WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSING

BACK TO THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND FIRST LET ME SAY THAT I KNOW THAT THIS IS A SENSITIVE TOPIC. I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE ARRANGEMENT.

WOULD IT BE, AS FAR AS WE CAN DETERMINE. WOULD IT BE A TEMPORARY ABSENCE ON THE CLERK OF COURT? I GUESS, BUT I AM LOOKING AT IS NORMALLY I WOULD LIKE TO.

>> I THINK THAT OBSOLETE THERE ARE DETAILS THAT WE NEED TO SORT OUT.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS WHY I HAVE MADE AS PART OF THE MOTION THAT WE PUT A BOARD MEMBER TO HELP OVERSEE THAT. BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME PROCEDURAL ISSUES THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR AND THE CLERK WOULD HAVE TO STEP DOWN AND HE HAD GO THROUGH WHATEVER PROCESSES YESTERDAY. WHAT I AM MAKING EMOTION ABOUT TODAY IS FOR US AS A BOARD TO APPOINT HIM. HE CANNOT ACCEPT THE APPOINTMENT, HE CAN ACCEPT IT AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO SOMEONE ELSE. BUT AT THIS POINT HE IS WILLING TO DO THAT AND HE UNDERSTANDS THE PROCESS THAT HE NEEDS TO FOLLOW THROUGH HIS LEGAL COUNSEL. THAT IS THE MOTION. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT, I AM SURE. YOU WILL BE INVOLVED IN THEM

AND SO. >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION PIN THE SECOND AND WE ARE THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS WITH ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. THAT, TOO, PASSES 500. READ THE LAST ONE.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN I ASKED THAT WE APPOINT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD TO OVERSEE THE TRANSITION PROCESS AND WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS THAT BEEN BROUGHT UP TODAY BY OUR COUNSEL.

>> WE DON'T DISCUSS AND WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LOCKLIN AND A

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO CHOOSE THAT

PERSON BEFORE WE VOTE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN MIND, THAT IS FOR SURE. I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ONE THING ABOUT THAT IS, I THINK COMMISSIONER BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT BUT THAT COULD ALL BE DONE IN ONE MOTION OR THE CONCEPT COULD BE DONE WITH THIS MOTION AND THEN THE PARTICULAR

THING IN ANOTHER. >> LET'S MOVE THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT AND HAVE A CONCEPT THAT HAS BEEN PLACED FOR. WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH

ACTION IN ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME I WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND AMONGST THE BOARD.

SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE. I ASSUME NOW AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE HANDLED NOW BECAUSE WE ARE HERE. THAT THIS BOARD IS NOT SCHEDULED TO MEET FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS AND WAS A SPECIAL MEETING IS CALLED. I WOULD GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO SIT IN THIS PARTICULAR POSITION.

>> IF I MAY I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND CHAIRMAN SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.

YOU ARE THE LONGEST SERVING COMMISSIONER AND THE LONGEST-SERVING CHAIRMAN.

HE ALREADY SERVED PREVIOUS TERM. HEAR THE MOST QUALIFIED AND

MOST EXPERIENCED TO DO THIS ROLE. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND BUT IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANYBODY ELSE WILLING THAT MAYBE FIT? WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. PPUBLIC COMMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN, NO PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ARE NOW BACK TO THE BOARD OF SEARS LIKE TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT THAT PASSES 5Ä.

I WILL BE THE PORTFOLIO ZONE. ALL RIGHT. A VERY SERIOUS THING AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WALKER. ANOTHER WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE FURTHER? >> NO SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.

I WILL GIVE MY REPORT AT THIS POINT. KIND OF TOUGH BUT FOOD FOR THOUGHT. ON NOVEMBER 20, THAT IS TOMORROW.NIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AGENTS AND SPECIALS WILL BE HOSTING A MEETING FOCUSED ON TWO IMPORTANT TOPICS. DEALING WITH RESEARCH AND EXTENSION NEEDS IN HASTINGS.

THE HASTINGS UNIT. THIS MEETING IS SCHEDULED FROM 10:00 UNTIL 2:30 P.M..

LIKEWISE, THE SECOND THING THEY WILL ADDRESS IS RESULTS FROM THE POTATO YIELD QUALITY AND NUTRITIONAL STUDIES IN A VERY IMPORTANT ONE IS NUTRITIONAL STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY DOCTOR LUKE. ESPECIALLY IN TRIALS FOR THE NEED FOR PHOSPHORUS.

ON NOVEMBER 14, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FARM BUREAU AS WELL AS FIFA CONDUCTED A LEGISLATIVE TOUR. WE HAD FARMS TO THE LUNCHEON RECOGNIZED THEIR JOHN ROBLES OF WILLIAM ROBLES FARMS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WITH A CARES AWARD.

WHICH IS GUIDELINES FOR RESPONSIBLE ENVIRONMENT. >>ANCHOR: ,REGULATIONS TO JOHN AND JENNY REBEL. WE HAVE VERY GOOD PARTICIPATION IN THAT TOUR AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE PROFITABLE FOR THOSE WHO ATTENDED.IKEWISE, THERE'S BEEN A DIAGNOSTIC LAB THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO ASSIST COMMERCIAL PRODUCERS OF THE BRANCH UNIT IDENTIFY PATHOGENS IN CROPS AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY BACTERIA, BARS AND FUNGUS TO HELP GROWERS WITH THOSE DIFFERENT DISEASE PRESSURES. I WANT TO GO TO SOMETHING THAT

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FROM A STANCE IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT DISALLOWS THAT.

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THIS BOARD'S PREROGATIVE WOULD BE. WHAT IS DESIRED WOULD BE.

WE CAN BE LENIENT UPON THAT FOR A SHORT TIME. IF THERE ARE NO CONCERNS, I JUST WANT PUT IN MY COMMENTS MAKE SURE WE BROUGHT IT BACK UP.

IS THERE ANY, ANY DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. MS. CROSBY ABOUT THE FORD THIS

MORNING. COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> IS GOING TO ASK LEGAL IF THERE IS A WAY TO SUSPEND THAT ORDINANCE UNTIL THE END OF THE PROJECT.

OR I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE EVEN MARKED PARKING SPOTS OF THEIR.

>> MR. CHAIR, MR. WALDRON I BELIEVE THE BOARD CAN MAKE A REQUEST THAT THE ORDINANCE NOT BE ENFORCED FOR A CERTAIN PORTION OVER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

DUE TO THE VERY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE, I THINK IT COULD BE HANDLED THAT WAY.

IT COULD BE HANDLED BY AN ACTUAL FORMAL AMENDMENT OR REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE.

BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK AND ADVERTISE IT AND ETC. I THINK IT COULD BE HANDLED MORE INFORMALLY BY HAVING THE BOARD REQUEST THAT THE ORDINANCE NOT BE ENFORCED FOR CERTAIN PERIOD

OF TIME AND IN CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREA. >> ,HAVE THE ORDINANCE HERE BEFORE WE DEPART TODAY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT READ AND UNDERSTOOD AND WHAT PARAMETERS WE SHOULD EXERCISE?> WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY IF NOT THE BOARD

CAN HAVE A BRIEF RECESS. >> MIGHT HAVE A BRIEF RECESS TO ADDRESS THAT.

I THINK THAT IS A NEEDFUL MATTER TO BE ADDRESSED AT THIS POINT.

IF IT IS DESIRE OF THE BOARD. >> I THINK IT IS BUT I THINK IT IS SOME CONTROVERSY AND I THINK BASED ON THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, I THINK THERE IS A NEED TO LOOK AT ADJUSTING THIS. IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> IF WE DO GO FORWARD, I THINK BASED ON SEVERAL EXPENSES IN THE PAST. I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD AND WISE WINNERS THOSE HOMEOWNERS UPON THE BOULEVARD THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING DOING THIS RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN THEY SHOW UP AFTER THE FACT READING IT IN THE NEWSPAPR AND HEARING IT ON TV.

I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ALONG THAT STRETCH. HAVE NO PROBLEM CONSIDERING SUSPENDING THE ORDINANCE, BUT IN FACT, I THINK I HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS WHO INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT. BUT THERE ALSO MAYBE A NUMBER WHO WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY UPSET AND I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD OWE THEM A NOTICE THAT WE WOULD

BE CONSIDERING IT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. OMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD MAYBE WANT TO LOOK AT NEXT MEETING.

SO WE CAN MAKE NOICE THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AND PUT ON THE AGENDA.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT I BELIEVE THAT IS DECEMBER 3 AND I BELIEVE THIS ACTIVITY IS ONGOING UNTIL AT LEAST EARLY FEBRUARY. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOON ENOUGH. WE WOULD BE RESPONDING AND PROVIDING ADEQUATE NOTICE THAT

WE ARE CONSIDERING IT. >> COMMISSIONER, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE BEING THE DISTRICT

COMMISSIONER? >> MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK THERE IS SOME ANGST ABOUT GETTING THIS RESOLVED QUICKLY. I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN AND I THINK THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAYERS TO THIS. I THINK MAKING A QUICK DECISION TO ADDRESS IT, THE PARKING DECISION THERE WOULD BE CERTAINLY SATISFY SOME OF THE CITIZENS.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME NOTICE AND WE NEED TO GO BACK INTO THE NOTICE -- BUSINESS OF NOTICING THE RESIDENCE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE CONCERNS. I THINK IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN'S SUGGESTION OF GIVING NOTICE AT THE NEXT MEETING. THEN WE CAN HEAR EVERYBODY FROM

THERE. >> SO WE WILL PUT THIS FORWARD AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DECEMBER 3. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. WE WILL HAVE IT AT THAT POINT BUT IF YOU COULD SPREAD THE

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WHEN I DEPARTED FOR LUNCH I SAW I HAD ON MY DESK AND ETHICS TRAINING OPTIONS.

IT WAS COMING CLOSE TO THAT TIME. I DID NOT READ THROUGH IT BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO PUT I THINK WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST AND OFFERED IT TO THE

BOARD IN PERSON. IS THAT STILL AN OPTION? >> YES.

I THINK DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY REGINA ROSS SENT OUT A MEMO TO EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THERE. ONE OF THEM IS SORT OF AN ONLINE FOUR HOUR COURSE, I THINK. THERE IS AN EIGHT HOUR DVD THING. THERE IS ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY IF ANY ONE COMMISSIONER OR MORE THAN ONE COMMISSIONER WOULD REQUEST TRAINING FROM THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY, WILL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT TRAINING FACE-TO-FACE. NORMALLY IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE COMMISSIONER WILL DO A NOTICE OF THAT AND ETC. MR. CHAIR, HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR

QUESTION. THAT IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THOSE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE.

I HAVE ENJOYED GOING THROUGH STUFF AND IT HAS BEEN VERY PROFITABLE.

EACH PERSON TOOK A DIFFERENT SEGMENT FOR AN HOUR AND IT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

WE OFFERED IT TO THE BOARD LAST YEAR I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND I WERE THE ONLY ONES TO GO TO THAT MEETING. IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL. HERE'S SOME INSIGHT AS WELL AS QUESTIONS. LASTLY I HAVE ON MY LIST IS WANT TO SAY HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYBODY. AND I AM THANKFUL FOR WHAT THE LORD HAS DONE FOR US.

>> IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE LAST ITEM DEALING WITH THE FIELD OF DREAMS. I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY STAFF THAT WE NEED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL MOTION TO THE BOARD'S ACTION. THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE A COUNTY DEMONSTRATOR OR DESIGNATED ISSUER IN EXECUTING A PURCHASE ORDER TO GAME TIME IN THE AMOUNT OF $156,000 $244.36 THROUGH THE U.S. COMMUNITIES CONTRACT NUMBER 201-700-1134.

>> THANK YOU. SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PUBLIC COMMENT?

SEEING NINE, MR. CHAIRMAN WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THAT WAS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 AND ADDITIONAL MOTION TO MOVE THAT MONEY PROPERLY AND EXPEDITIOUSLY AS NEEDED , AS NEED TO BE THAT WE HAVE A MOTION THE SECOND WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.LEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5Ä. AGENDA ITEM 12 AND ADDITIONAL

MOTION HAS BEEN PRESENTED. CANCEL DEMONSTRATION? >> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. TWO THINGS RELEVANT TO MY OWN SITUATION.

ONE WOULD BE , I ASSUME THAT IS WITHOUT COST. >> THAT IS WHAT I WOULD PRESUME

AS WELL. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY.

SECONDLY HEARD THE MOTION EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BE GONE BY 5:00 OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT I COME IN TOTHE END OF THE WEEK AND TIE UP LOOSE ENDS? IT IS ALL ABOUT A SMOOTH AND ORDERLY TRANSITION.HATEVER THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS .

>> I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE BOARD THAT HE IS A PROFESSIONAL AND HE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE NEEDS OF THIS COUNTY WHILE HE IS STILL HERE IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE.

I WOULD ASK HIM TO COME IN THIS WEEK AND TIE UP THE LOOSE ENDS. >> MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSION, IF THE BOARD WOULD ALLOW I LIKE TO HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH HIM BEFORE THE BOARD VOTES ON

THIS. IF THE BOARD WOULD ALLOW. >> SURE, PLEASE PUT LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. IN THE ARRAY IS ANXIOUS. LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS

AND I THINK >> NOW RECONVENE THE REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 19, 2019, THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND IS 2:08 PM. GET AN OPPORTUNITY, MR.

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MCCORMICK. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I THINK THERE ARE JUST A FEW ISSUES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. ONE IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT DOES IMMEDIATELY MEAN? COULD IT MEAN TO THE END OF THE WEEK FOR MR. ONE CHECK TO TIE UP LOOSE ENDS AND ETC.? THE OTHER ASPECT IS THE MOTION DID NOT SAY ANYTHING FOR CAUSE WHICH I WOULD PRESUME WOULD MEAN WITHOUT CAUSE. AS HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH MR. ONE CHECK AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF THE BOARD COULD MAKE A SORT OF A POSITION ON THAT.

WITHOUT CAUSE IF THAT IS THE BOARD'S POSITION JUST TO HAVE THAT IN THE MINUTES.

THE OTHER THING, AGAIN, THAT I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT IS THE UPON NOTICE AND AFTER HEARING IF SUCH IS REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. I DID SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY WITH MR. ONE CHECK.I DON'T KNOW IF HE FEELS COMFORTABLE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES OR NOT WITH THE BOARD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU. I WILL JUST BE FRANK AND THIS IS VERY AWKWARD. I AM NOW SPEAKING IS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THROUGH THE WEEK AND IF THIS WERE TO BE CONTESTED LATER ON, THE NOTICE ISSUES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. JUST GENERALLY IS NOT A GOOD HR POLICY IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE IF AN ACTION IS GOING TO BE CONTESTED.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MR. ONE CHECK WOULD BE REPAIRED OR NOT -- PREPARED OR NOT TO CONTEST.

HE DID WITH THE ALLOWED TO SEEK COUNSEL TO BRIEF HIM ON THAT. SO, I GUESS THE FIRST THING IS, I THINK HE HAS REQUESTED THIS. AGAIN, FOR THE BOARD, THE BOARD'S CLARIFICATION ON THE CAUSE OR WITH CALLS WITHOUT CAUSE. THE BOARD CAN KEEP THE MOTION AS IT WAS AND I WILL TELL YOU MY POSITION AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAVING HER THAT I WOULD PRESUME IT IS WITHOUT CAUSE. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE

BOARD TO CLARIFY THAT. FOR START. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IS WITHOUT CAUSE.DO NEED TO DO A MOTION OR DO NEED TO SAY THAT?

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUT THAT INTO THE RECORD IF THAT TRULY IS THE INTENT OF THE MAKE OR THE MOTION OF THE SECOND OR THE BOARD AS A WHOLE. THEY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THE BOARD NEEDS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WHAT CAUSES WE CAN READ THOSE, BUT.

>> IF I CAN BE CLEAR ARTY SAID IT IS FOR WITHOUT CAUSE. >> OKAY.

>> MY QUESTION IS TO YOU, DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE MERCENARY PARTY VOTED ON?

>> RIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS IN THE MOTION AND I JUST.

>> IT WAS NOT IN THE MOTION. THOSE ARE THE REASONS I STATED. >> I UNDERSTAND BUT I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO JUST AMEND, IT IS BASICALLY THE SAME MOTION AND JUST TO INCLUDE WITHOUT

CAUSE. >> HOLD ON A SECOND LET'S STOP FOR A MOMENT.

WE FORGOT TO FOUR MOTIONS. >> YES. >> WE ARE NOT AMENDING EMOTION THAT IS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON. THERE'S SOMETHING DESIRE TO BE DONE AND COMMISSIONERS SAY NO THAT IT WAS HIS INTENT TO HAVE IT WITHOUT CAUSE THEN WE PUT THAT FORD.

THAT WOULD BE FIVE.UT I AM NOT GOING BACK IN ORDER AND READ DOING SOMETHING THAT IS

VERY BEEN DONE. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> I WOULD, FOR THE EDUCATION

ARE ALL HERE LET'S READ WHAT CAUSE IS.>> I APOLOGIZE. IT REFERS TO FLORIDA STATUTE

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THAT I AM LOOKING UP QUICKLY. >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEVERANCE PAY WHICH IS A -- IN A COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CONTRACT. THERE IS A PROVISION.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF FLORIDA STATUTES, THE COUNTY, SUGAR WILL BE ENTITLED TO SEVERANCE PAY IF HE IS DETERMINED BY THE BOARD DUE TO MISCONDUCT.

IT GIVES A STATUTE SECTION 4.03.6 OUT 29. THAT IS A FAIR, I COULD READ THROUGHTHE WHOLE THING . IT INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO CONDUCT DEMONSTRATING CONSCIOUS DISREGARD OF THE EMPLOYER'S INTEREST FOUND TO BE IN DELIBERATE VIOLATIONS OR DISREGARD OF THE REASONABLE STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR. EXAMPLES OF THAT.

SUCH CONDUCT MAY INCLUDE BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO WILLFUL DAMAGE EMPLOYER'S PROPERTY.

THEFT. THAT KIND OF THING.THEN FURTHER CARELESSNESS OR NEGLIGENCE TO A DEGREE OR RECURRENCE THAT MANIFESTS CULPABILITY OR WRONGFUL INTENT.

SO A CONSCIOUS THING. CHRONIC ABSENTEEISM. OR TARDINESS ETC. WILLFUL AND DELIBERATE VIOLATION OF A STANDARD OR REGULATION OF THE STATE OR BY AN EMPLOYEE OF THE EMPLOYER LICENSED OR CERTIFIED BY THE STATE. A VIOLATION OF AN EMPLOYER'S RULE OF EMPLOYER'S RULE UNLESS THE CLAIMANT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS THERE. I WILL TELL YOU READING THROUGH THERE AND HAVING LISTENED TO COMMISSIONER WALKER MOTION AND I THINK DESCRIPTION IT WOULD BE MY SENSE THAT IT WOULD NOT FALL

UNDER THE MISCONDUCT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> MY OPINION THAT HIS MOTION RAISED NO ISSUE OF MISCONDUCT WHATSOEVER. ON THIS ON THE RECORD.I WANT IT CLEAR THAT IN MY OPINION HE ZEROED IN ON ONE PHRASE AND ON PHRASE ONLY AND THAT IS HE LOST CONFIDENCE . IN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATORS CONDUCT OF THE OFFICE.

TO ME THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MISCONDUCT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING TERMINATED WITH CAUSE. WE ARE TRYING TO DO THIS AS GRACEFULLY AND GENTLEMANLY AS POSSIBLE. WHEN WE ARE DONE IF WE HAVE FIVE VOTES THAT AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER THAT HE HAD LOST CONFIDENCE AND THEREFORE WE TOOK THE ACTION WITHOUT CAUSE TO TERMINATE THE EMPLOYMENT OF MR. ONE CHECK. IT IS PRETTY CUT AND DRIED ME

AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD. >> ABSOLUTELY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR. >> IF I CAN JUST REITERATE THIS

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BUT THIS IS A BUSINESS DECISION AND NOT BECAUSE OF MISCONDUCT. THIS IS NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS ANYTHING ON HIS BEHALF IT IS SIMPLY A LEADERSHIP ISSUE.

WISH HIM WELL AND I LOOK FORWARD TO US MOVING ON. >> I THINK IS CLEAR FROM THE READING OF THAT THE OF EMOTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. TO SAY WITHOUT CAUSE IF YOU CAN

MAKE THAT CLEAR. MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AT THIS TIME WITH YOUR PERMISSION I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CHARACTERIZE THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF MR.

ONE CHECK WITHOUT CAUSE. >> OR MISCONDUCT. >> OR MISCONDUCT.

WITHOUT CAUSE AND WITHOUT ANY MISCONDUCT. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> TO BE OF EMOTION? >> SECOND. >> A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. I BELIEVE THIS IS 1/5 ONE ALONG THE WAY HERE.

WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THIS TIME WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL CLOSE A PUBLIC

COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED AND NO FURTHER DISCUSSION LET'S MOVE

FORWARD. >> NOW WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE PREMISE THAT STARTED EVEN A DELAY IN THAT WAS REGARDED TO THE WORD IMMEDIATE WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN THE VERBIAGE THAT HAS BEEN USED THE FIRST MOTION. IMMEDIATE REMOVAL.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TODAY, THE LATTER PART OF THIS WEEK? I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED AT THIS POINT AS WELL. ANY COMMENTS. WHEN I HEAR IMMEDIATE THAT MEANS IMMEDIATE AND THAT IS QUICKLY. AND I WOULD, JUST IN MY OWN PERSONALOPINION , I WOULD SAY I THINK IT IS BEST TO MOVE ON. AND THAT WOULD BE TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION IN REGARD TO WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER IN REGARD TO THE FIRST MOTION.

I WILL YIELD THROUGH THE REST OF THE BOARD. ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION?

I WILL MOVE THAT THAT BE DONE TODAY AT 5:00. IS THERE SECOND?>> SECOND.

>> OF EMOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS.NY

FURTHER DISCUSSION? OPENING UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

AT THIS POINT WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT.

MR. CHAIRMAN SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> IT IS CLOSE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. AND THAT PASSES 5Ä.

ALRIGHTY. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO SETTLE HERE?

MR. MACCORMACK. >> MR. CHAIR, THE BOARD HAS MADE A SERIES OF DECISIONS TODAY. I WILL NOTE, I THINK FOR REQUEST FOR A HEARING I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT, I THINK HE'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD JUST PUT IT OUT THERE. THERE IS A REQUEST FOR A HEARING, YOU MIGHT WANT TO

INDICATE ON THAT OR NOT. OR SAY NOTHING. >> PATRICK, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE IF THAT IS RIGHT NOW.

MY INTENT HAS NEVER BEEN TO WORK FOR A BOARD THAT IS NOT WANT ME AS AN ADMINISTRATOR.

I DO WANT TO WAIVE ANY RIGHTS OR ANYTHING. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> NOT THAT I AM CONTEMPLATING ANY SUCH ACTION. >> UNDERSTOOD.

THANKYOU. >> MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONER WALKER.

I AM TRYING TO HELP THE BOARD EFFECTUATE THESE DECISIONS . IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK OUT, BASICALLY, THE EMPLOYMENT OR CONTRACTUAL OR WHATEVER ARRANGEMENT THERE WILL BE FROM THE DEPUTY CLERK TO COME IN AS A SEPARATE DUTY AND WORK AS A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT A TIME. GAP THOUGH AND I LIKE TO GO HERE WITH THE BOARD. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS A STATUTORY POSITION.

I AM SORRY. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS A STATUTORY POSITION OR A CERTAI

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SAYS ONLY THAT THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER TO DO? >> LET'S HOLD OFF ON THAT FOR

COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER JOHNS.>> SAID A RAISE ON THE SAME PAGE I WOULD LIKE A REASONABLE TIMELINE TO EXPECT EITHER A REQUEST FOR HEARING OR NOT.

THROUGH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. DAYS, WEEKS, IN ORDER TO ANTICIPATE WHETHER WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HEARING OR NOT EXPECT TO RECEIVE THE REQUEST FOR HEARING.

HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED? >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOHNS BUT MY SENSE ON THAT WOULD BE IF THERE WERE A REQUEST THAT IT WOULD BE, IF THERE WERE TO BE A HEARING IT WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE DECEMBER 3 MEETING UNLESS THE BOARD WANTED TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING.

I THINK TO PREPARE FOR THAT, I THINK THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND NOTICE OF THE REQUEST NOT LATER THAN CLOSE OF BUSINESS, THE FOLLOWING, THE NEXT MONDAY. THAT NEXT MONDAY BEING THE 25TH. AT NOON.I THINK THAT COULD BE SORT OF THE TIME FOR THAT REQUEST. THAT WAY IF THERE WERE REQUEST FOR HEARING IT CAN BE DEALT WITH THROUGH THE AGENDA IN PLACE ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 3 AGENDA.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND JUST BE SURE WITH THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL. AS PART OF THE MOTION TO HAVE A BOARD MEMBER OR CHAIRMAN SO WE CAN WORK OUT SOME OF THESE DETAILS BUT HONESTLY, I DO NOT EXPECT TO COME IN HERE TODAY AND SORT EVERYTHING OUT. MY RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN SPARE HIM FROM HAVING TO SIT HERE. IT IS UNPLEASANT FOR EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM. MY SUGGESTION TO THE BOARD AND UPSTREAM TO THE BOARD NOW, YOU ARE ABSENT. TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE THAT MR. MCCORMICK YOU BRING THESE ISSUES TO HER CHAIR AND WE NEED TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM OR A HEARING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD GO FROM THERE. I THINK CHINA AIR THIS ALL OUT AT THIS POINT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. THIS IS MY ASSESSMENT SITTING HERE.

THE BOARD MAY DISAGREE BUT. >> THAT IS WHAT I RECOMMENDED TO MR. SMITH BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE MAKE THIS TRANSITION AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.> I COMPLETELY CONCUR I THINK WE ARE PROLONGING SOMETHING THAT IS VERY PAINFUL AND PICKING SCABS AT THIS POINT. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND I THINK IT TIMELINE THOUGH IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED OF AND THAT IS FOR SURE.

LET'S MOVE FORWARD INTO THIS AFTERNOON. AT ONLY LOOSE ENDS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED OVER HERE. I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG IT ANY LONGER.

I THINK WE ARE BABBLING THROUGH THIS AND IS NOT GOOD. WE NEED SOME TIME, SOME OF US NEED TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS ALL FRESH AND NEW AND IT HAS BEEN QUITE QUITE QUICK AND EXPEDITIOUS, THAT IS FOR SURE. LET'S MOVE BACK TO OUR AGENDA AND HIS OR ANYTHING ELSE WITH ADMINISTRATION. ? ANYTHING FROM THE COUNTY

ATTORNEY? >> WELL, I WAS GOING TO GO BACK TO I THINK COMMISSIONER JOHNS AND THE BOARDS SENSE AS EXPRESSED EARLIER, GRATEFUL TO BE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND GRATEFUL FOR WHAT WE HAVE HERE. I DID WANT TO GO BACK FOR A MOMENT AND APOLOGIZE AND I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BOARD JULIE SPEND ANY MORE TIME ON THIS.

I WILL TELL YOU IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AS I EXPRESSED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS A STATUTORY ROLE AND IS PROVIDED FOR BY ORDINANCE. I WOULD PUT IT THIS WAY.

UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED BY THIS BOARD I WILL CONSIDER THE NEXT SENIOR ADMINISTRATOR FOR

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>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE JUST DID IS WE DISAPPOINTED THE CHAIRMAN TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE DOING MR. MCCORMICK AND I GET IT. BUT THAT IS NOT THE DIRECTION WE GAVE. LET US BE CLEAR SO THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

THE DIRECTION THAT WE JUST VOTED ON WAS CHAIRMAN TO OVERSEE AND TO FILL THAT, WHATEVER GAP THERE COULD BE A TWO DAY GAP, WEEK GAP AND I DON'T KNOW BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WILL SORT THROUGH WITH HIM SITTING HERE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL CAN WORK OUT.ANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM CLEAR ON WHAT MY INTENT WAS WHAT WE PUT OUT THERE ON MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS NOT WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE JUST DECIDED. WE'VE HAD SOME CONFUSION RECENTLYWHERE THIS BOARD MAKES A DECISION AND STAFF INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY.

I AM NOT COMING A HARD TIME BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEAR , CRYSTAL-CLEAR ON WHAT GOD IS. I BELIEVE THAT WE JUST GIVEN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF I HAVE SAID SOMETHING OUT OF LINE ARE INCORRECT, PLEASE CORRECT ME. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND AGAIN, PATRICK I APPRECIATED THAT YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB YOU ARE TRYING AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND DO MY JOB MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEAR HERE. THAT IS ALL HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> I WOULD SIMPLY ADD THAT COMMENCING AT 5:00 P.M. TODAY AND UNTIL SUCH TIME AS CONRAD RESUMES HIS POSITION AS INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, YOUR DEALINGS, IN MY OPINION SHOULD BE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH. CHAIRMAN SMITH. OBVIOUSLY HE WILL HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH ANY STAFF THAT YOU WISH. BUT WITH RESPECT TO ANY DECISIONS TO BE MADE, ANY DIRECTION, THAT IS TO COME DIRECTLY FROM OUR CHAIRMAN.

THAT IS MY POSITION. >> ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE FROM LEGAL?

>> MR. CHAIR AND I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONER I MAY NOT HAVE HEARD EXACTLY AND PERHAPS COMMISSIONER DEAN JUST MADE MORE CLEAR FOR ME. IS THE PROPOSED PERSON THAT WOULD THROUGH A MECHANISM COME OVER AND ACT AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

WITH DEBI HUNTER CONRAD OR THE BE THE PRESENT DEPUTY BRADLEY? I MAY HAVE HEARD IT WRONG.

OR WOULD THAT BE TO BE DETERMINED? >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> IT IS. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CLERK OF THE COURT IS STILL IN HIS POSITION AS CLERK OF THE COURT. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT FOR HIM TO TAKE A LEAVE OF ABSENCE OR WITHDRAW FROM THAT POSITION.ASED ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE TODAY. SO AGAIN, PATRICK, THESE ARE DETAILS THAT I AM HOPING THEY GET WITH OUR CHAIRMAN THAT WE WANT TO WORK THROUGH.

I APOLOGIZE TO YOU BECAUSE I FEEL I HAVE NOT BEEN CLEAR. I THOUGHT I WAS CLEAR.

OBVIOUSLY I WAS NOT. AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE QUESTIONS AND APPRECIATE YOUR JOB BUT WE OUTLINE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE TIMES I CAN TELL YOU.

I WOULD EXPECT YOU AS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO RAISE THESE ISSUES WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> UNDERSTOOD. I THINK I GOT IT. >> ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT?

>> YES, SIR.>> THAT IS MY INTENT. THE BOARD MEMBERS MISSY

DIFFERENTLY. >> WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL MAKE A PHONE CALL TO HUNTER CONRAD AND SEE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE. THAT WILL BE HELPFUL AS WELL.

ANYTHING ELSE? THE OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY? ALL RIGHT.

ALL HEARTS AND MINDS CLEAR.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.