Mar 19, 2026 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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JOHNS JOHNS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS NOW IN SESSION. WOULD YOU STAND AND JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE?

STATEMENT. >> THANK YOU. THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING IN COP CURRENCY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE BEGIN

AN OPPORTUNITY. >> THE ST. JOHNS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS IN SESSION.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK DURING MEETING ON EACH ITEM DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH ISSUE BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFTEN SWORN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DON'T THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDED TO APPEAL A DECISION IN RESPECT IT ANY MATTER, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE A VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE. WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HASHING SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.

THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCY COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY IN REVIEW OF AN APPEAL RELATED. AGENCY MEMBER REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH VICTIM STATE WHETHER THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE FORMER HEARING ARE AGENCY. IF A COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED THE AGENCY MEMBER IDENTIFIED THE PERSON VALVED. CIVILITY CLAUSE.

WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF WOEN WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND WE WILL AVOID

PERSONAL ATTACK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST ITEM IS WE HAVE TWO SETS

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 02/05/2026 and 03/05/2026]

WE WILL DO A VOICE VOTE ON THOSE. OKAY.

>> THE FIRST SET OF MINUTES I TALKED TO MR. SMITH ABOUT THIS, THIS WAS THE ITEM I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. CROSBY ROAD? THE -- IN THE MINUTES IT -- SAID IT WAS NEW RV MOVED AND NEW MANUFACTURED HOME IT IS NOT AWE R A NEW HOME.

WOULD LIKE THAT STRICKEN BEFORE I CAN APPROVE. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

>> OPPOSED? OKAY. THE NEXT SET IS FOR MARCH FIFTH.

WE WILL DO A VOICE VOTE. >> SO MOVED. >> WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> OPPOSED? THAT IS ALL PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. SO I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU ARE HERE ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA AND YOU WISH TO SPEAK. PLEASE, COME TO ONE OF THE PODIUM YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. IF NOT WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE

FIRST ITEM. >> I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST ITEM THE PRESENTER IS POSSIBLY NOT HERE. IS VENUS HERE. GO YOU WANT TO WAIT?

>> THAT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE. >> I THINK WE WITH MOVE TO ITEM TWO.

[2. SUPMAJ 2025-31 T. Smith Asian Bistro. Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 2.03.02 of the Land Development Code, to allow for the on-site sale and consumption of Alcoholic Beverages in conjunction with a restaurant located in Commercial General (CG) zoning and specifically located at 6975 A1A South.]

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>> LABANOWSKI. I VISITED THE SITE AND TALKED TO EMPLOYEES.

MR. GREEN. VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. OKAY.

FLOOR IS YOURS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON I'M SHAUNA MITCHELL FLORIDA PERMIT ADVISORS 212 NINTH STREET SAINT AUGUST SEEN BEACH FLORIDA HERE ON BEHALF OF SMITH ASIAN BISTRO.

WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE TO ALLOW CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVER OKAY LICENSE FOR AN EXISTING RESTAURANT TO SERVE BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR FOR O PREMISE CONSUMPTION WITH FOODSERVICE. THE RESTAURANT IS LOCATED WITHIN AN ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL AREA THAT CONTAINED RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND SERVICE USES. IT IS COMMERCIAL ON THE ST.

JOHN'S LAND USE MAP. THIS ALLOWS COMMERCIAL USES INCLUDING RESTAURANTS.

THE REQUESTED SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THE -- SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL THE RESTAURANT USES ARE PERMIT IN THE THE ZONING DISTRICT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PERMIT FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMESIS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE. THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH LAND USE ASKS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THE BISTRO WILL OPERATE A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT OFFERING ASIAN FOOD THE ALCOHOL SERVICE IS AN ACCESSORY TO THE FOODSERVICE. THE ESTABLISHMENT IS INTEMDED SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND VISITOR TO THE AREA. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND THE SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. APPROVAL OF SUPPORT A LOCAL RESTAURANT ISSUE ENHANCE DINING OPTION. CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND PROVIDE A FULL DINING SPRNGS FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. ANSWER BASED ON THE INFORMATION THE APPLICANT REQUESTS APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A FOURTH SERIES CONSUMPTION PREMESIS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SEE NONE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE

WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? >> WE ARE BACK TO BOARD FOR COMMENTS.

MR. LABANOWSKI? YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? YOU WANT TO -- I HAD A QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. I NOTICED THE RESTAURANT IS EXPANDING WHEN I WAS IN THERE.

HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE ENOUGH PARKING WITH THE MAJOR EXPANSION GOING ON THEY ARE TAKING OVER SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THAT BUILDING. ONE THING THAT CONCERNED ME WHEN I WALKED THE DOOR BACK ON THE WALL, DRINK SPECIAL SIGN. I ASKED ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES

THERE, THAT SIGN WAS LEFT FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER. >> SO -- THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN BUT HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE ENOUGH PARKING AND TURNS OUT TO BE A SUCCESS.

THE PARKING WAS A CONCERN I HAD. I KNOW IT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LIQUOR LICENSE.

THANK YOU. >> DO YOU WISH TO RESPOND. >> THE SITE SUPPORTS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL USE WITH THE ESTABLISHED PARKING THIS DOES NOT INCREASE THE INTENSITY

BEYOND WHAT IS PERMITTED. >> OKAY. MAKE A MOTION.

>> OKAY. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 202531 ASIAN BISTRO EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND 11 CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE IA MOTION? SECOND. >> AND A SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR GO AHEAD ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? TIME TO VOTE IF WE GET THE SCREEN UP. THERE IT IS. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.

WE ARE MISSING TWO MEMBERS BUT THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> ALL RIGHT.

[1. PUD 2025-04 Spencer Plaza. Request to rezone approximately 3.11 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum 45,000 square feet of non-residential uses, located at 10090 US-1 North.]

THANK YOU. >> LOOKS LIKE MR. VENUS THAT YOUR PERSON ARRIVED.

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SO COME UP UP FOR ITEM ONE. >> PUD SPENCE ARE PLAZA ON US ONE NORTH.

>> EX PARTE. >> I VISITED THE SITE. >> MR. SPIEGEL?

>> YES , SIR, I DID A SITE VISIT AS WELL. I VISITED A COUPLE OF THE OTHER SITES THAT THIS GROUP HAS GOT OWN APPROVAL IN PREVIOUS YEARS. I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH BETH INVOLVED IN THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT GROUP. REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE/RETENTION POND ISSUE.

>> MR. MAD VIN O. HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JUSTIN CLARK DISCUSSED THE PROPOSAL.

>> ARE YOU MR. CLARK. >> YES , SIR. >> IT IS FLOOR IS YOURS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE AND SERVICES. I'M JUSTIN CLARK.

DO WE ANNOUNCE ADDRESS? ONE PAOLO DRIVE. 44 YEAR RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS THE MINORITY PARTNERS IN THE PROJECT IN REZONING REQUEST. IT IS A 3. -- HOW DO I? HOLD THIS UP. I THINK I STOPPED IT INSTEAD OF PLAY BUTTON I'M SORRY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. UM -- IT IS LOCATED AT 10090US ONE NORTH TWO MILES NORTH OF PINE ALLEN ROAD THE SOUTHERN MOST ENTRY TO THE PINE ISLAND ACADEMY AND A HALF MILE SOUTH OF NIECE HIGH SCHOOL MY AL MADDER. AS WE ZOOM IN, WE SEE IT IS NORTH. IT DOES NOT SHOW IT HERE BUT THIS IS -- HILTON ROAD.

AND THIS IS THE ROAD CALLED STERLING PLAZA DRIVE THAT IS SHARED DRIVE WE WILL USE FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL. WE ARE IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE.

AND WE ARE REQUESTING THE REZONE FROM THE CURRENT OPEN RULE TEPUD ON THE LDC SECTION 2301 TABLE OF COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE. AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE. ALONG WITH GENERAL COMMERCIAL

RETAIL AND OFFICE USES. WE ARE ASKING FOR A FEW WAIVERS. >> THIS IS THE SITE.

I JUST WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT IN LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF OR OAT WEST SIDE THERE IS MOSTLY WETLAND OWNED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. TO THE EAST, SEVEN OF THE NINE ACRES BACK HERE ARE OWNED BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. HALF OF THAT IS WETLANDS.

WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. WE HAVE GOOD BUFFER AND TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THE REQUEST. SO, I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU HOPEFULLY COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT SPECIFIC RELIABLE AND FACT BASED. AND SUPPORTING ALL 10 FINDINGS OF FACT ALINE WITH THE ST. JOHN COUNTY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. SO, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANY STONE UNTURNED SO -- I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH AND WHAT I WILL DO IS SHOW YOU BY PRECEDENT WHAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY BUILT. IN THE AREA OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR PROPOSING.

TO START WITH -- NUMBER ONE ON THE REQUIREMENT IS DONE RIGHT NOW THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEGAL NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES, OBJECTIVES OF

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THE PUD IS CONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE. IT IS LITERALLY WHAT WE DO.

WE MIX USES. EVERYTHING BUT LIVING. THE NUMBER FOUR THE PUD IS CONSISTENT WITH PLAND DEVELOPMET CODE FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS. THE REASON WE ASK THE PUD IS THAT THE RIDGE LIMITATIONS OF STRAIGHT REZONES, DON'T ALLOW FOR THE MIX OF USES.

SO. WITH OFFICE RETAIL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THESE ADAPT TO MARKET DEMANDS PROJECTS REMAIN HIGH VALUE, ECONOMIC SUSTAINABLE FOR SMALL STAKE HOLDERS OF THE COUNTY. THIS PD IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, POLICY, RELATES TO COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROJECT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

IT IS A GOOD FIT. THEM IS A MAJOR CORRIDOR NEAR OTHER COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USES

OF SIMILAR SCOPE. AND BUILDING HEIGHT. >> THE PUD MEETS STANDARDS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH RESPECT TO LOCATION. SIZE AND ADEQUACY OF FACILITIES.

NUMBER SEVEN, THE PUD MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GENERAL ZONING OF THE REGULATION EXCEPT MAY BE APPROVED PURSUANT TO SECTIONS THOSE SECTIONS. 5.03G2, I BELIEVE IS THE BUBBLE -- MDP MAP WE GO THROUGH AND SHARE THAT WITH YOU. SPECIAL THEN NUMBER EIGHT, WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SHOULDLY DEVELOPMENT ST. JUDGE 'COUNTY. NUMBER NINE.

PUD IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF A DOT 1. 11 PLAN RELATING TO EFFICIENT COMPACT LAND USE PATTERN. GOES BACK TO NUMBER FOUR BUT COMBINE MULTIPLE USE IN A SINGLE AFFORDABILITY. THERE IS IN LEAP FROG DEVELOPMENT WE ARE ENCOURAGING OR DOING HER. AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SCHNEIDER RULE APPLIES HERE.

THERE IS NO PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR KEEPING THE ZONING AS OR. ESPECIALLY UNDER THE MIXED USE LAND USE. WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO SHARE UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS LIKE TO MOVE ON AND SHARE WHAT WE AROUND US AND -- WHAT WE HAVE DONE THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THIS REQUEST. THE ZONING AROUND US EACH OF THE PUD'S ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS ONE. INSTEAD OF THE TCMU ZONING WE HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED BY STAFF TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE IT WAS INTENDED FOR REHAB AREA AND SO -- WE COMBINED CW WITH IW WITH OFFICE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES. SO -- STARTING WITH THE PUD STERLING PLAZA PHASE TWO. IN THE GREEN, THIS WAS A PUD THAT WAS FOR WE CALL IT THE FUTURE FLEX PRODUCT 66,000 SQUARE FEET 5.WITHIN 1 ACRES. SAME PUD AND WAIVERS REQUESTED AND APPROVED THERE. THIS IS STERLING PLAZA PHASE TWO, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AGAIN, IT WAS 66,000 SQUARE FEET APPROVED ON 4.92 ACRES.

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THE REASON THAT DENSITY IS HIGHER IS THAT WE HAD A VISION AND ASKED IN THIS ONE FOR CAR CONDO TO GO WITH OUR FLEX BASE THIS IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH. THOSE ARE TWO -- TWO CONCEPT PLANS THAT WOO ARE FITTING IN THAT SPACE NOW. AND THEN TO OUR SOUTH OF THESE, IS ARE THE -- SHOPS OF ST. JOHNS. THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN LIKE 05 AND 07. ALL OF THESE HAVE RECEIVED MET WITH POSITIVE MARKET RECEPTION.

SO. AT OUR LAST MEETING THE POWER CENTER, WE HAD STRUGGLES -- FOR TWO PRIMARY REASONS 1 THE HEIGHT WE WERE ASKING WE DID NOT LIMIT THE HEIGHT IN THAT ONE.

SO WE MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT. SO THAT A BETTER IT IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THE ZONING REQUEST 35 FEET. ISSUE WITH DENSITY IS CAREFULLY CONSIDERED IN LINE WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS CONSTRUCTED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

FURTHERMORE, WE REMOVED SOME USES WHICH WERE ALLOWED FOR EXAMPLE, VERTICAL CONDITION MINISTORAGE FACILITY FOR MORE CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN. WE BELIEVE THIS REFINED PLAN ADDRESSES CONCERNS. AND ALIGNED WITH THE AREA IN FORM AND FUNCTION.

ADDRESSING STATED CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT AND DENSITY. SO -- AGAIN.

REITERATING WE ARE LOCAL AND WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD. AND -- BOTH THE PUD TO THE SOUTH AND RECEIVE SPEARHEAD BY US. THAT WERE ADOPTED WERE WELL RECEIVED.

THESE ARE THE FLEX USES -- THAT HAVE GONE IN TOP EACH OF THESE -- OAT TOP ONE NORTH STERLING PLAZA PHASE TWO. AND THIS IS A CONVOLUTED PICTURE BUT I WANTEDED PUT IT IN HERE.

THIS IS WHAT MAKES OUR PRODUCT I THINK SO UNIQUE AND SPECIAL IS -- THE DIVERSITY OF USES ALL UNDER ONE ROOF AND ONE AREA. SO. WE HAVE CORPORATE OFFICE.

WE HAVE SHOW ROOM. E COMMERCE. INDUSTRIAL.

THE THERE ARE WORK OUT GYMS. IT REALLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY. ANOTHER NICE THING WHEN WE BRING THEM TOGETHER IT DOES NOT JUST CREATE JOB IN ST. JOHNS IT IS CLOSE TO HOME, IT CAN HELP TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF ROADS. WE HAVE PASS BY TRIPS. WE HAVE -- POST PEEK HOUR TRIPS.

THE REVERSE COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITY AND THE IDEA PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING IN JACKSONVILLE FOR AMENITY ASKS AND WORK. IT PULLS CONGESTION OFF ROADS. THAT IS IW TO THE NORTH.

SO. WE ARE ASKING FOR A FEW WAIVERS. AND -- SO I LIKE TO SPEAK TO THESE. FIRST ONE00 THE LAST WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR NATURAL VEGETATION BUFFER. WE ARE KEEPING IT FIVE PERCENT AND DOING MORE.

THE FIRST WAIVER UP HERE THE BEER AND WINE EXCEPTION THE REASON WE DO THAT IS ONE, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES WITHIN THE DISTANCE NOW THEY COULD COME IN AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COULD BE A BREWERY OR A RESTAURANT THAT WANTS BEER OR WINE.

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THE BUBBLE PLAN IS A REQUEST STAR HAS NOT OBJECTED WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO SUBMIT INCREMENTAL PLANS AS WE GO. IT IS A STANDARD PLACE HOLDER SO AS WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP CONSISTENT WITH RULES, POLICIES, PROCEDURES THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

FOR THE OPEN SPACE, JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, ZONE SUGGEST SO IMPORTANT TO US IT IS THE THINGS WE WE HANG OUR HAT ON -- WE -- TRY TO OVER ZONE AND OVER PARK THESE DEVELOPMENTS WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS COMING IN. WE HAVE AN IDEA YOU SEEN THE TYPES OF USES AS THE MARKET CHANGES WE TRY TO ADAPT. SO -- WE THE PUD HAS A DOWNFALL FOR US THAT IT IS THE PUD THAT REQUIRES THIS OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT THE 25%. IF IT WERE A STRAIGHT ZONE THAT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED. AND -- IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE THE WAY WE EXPLAIN IT WHAT WE ARE -- INTERESTED IN WILLING TO DO IS THAT WE ENHANCE WITH LANDSCAPE SUGGEST, FOUNTAIN, THE -- THIS WILL BE A WET POND. AND WE ARE MEETING THE INTENT OF THE CODE BY PROVIDING AN ATTRACTIVE -- ACCESSIBLE COMMUNITY SERVING OPEN AREA. SO -- YOU KNOW ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK. I KNOW IT IT IS NOT GREEN SPACE IT IS BLUE AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IT IS NOT AN EYE SORE EVEN THOUGH A FENCE IS REQUIRED IT IS LOW.

YOU CAN MAKE A PARK BENCH. TREES OUT BACK. IT IS IN THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT. IT IS NOT JUST A UTILITY. IT CAN BE A NICE AMENITY.

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WE DEMONSTRATED PRIOR ZONING, IMPACTS THE ZONINGSES THAT HAVE IMPACTED THE COMMUNITY.

WE BELIEVE WE RUSED TRAFFIC. HIGHER PROPERTY UTILIZATION AND VALUE AND ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.

AND A DEVELOPMENT VISION THAT REFLECTS TODAY'S REALITY AND TOMORROW'S OPPORTUNITY.

A SMALL, INFILL TRACT. COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR SPENT ARE PLAZA. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR

PRESENTATION. >> YES. I LULLED YOU TO SLEEP.

>> I SEE MS. SPIEGEL HAS QUESTIONS. >> HI.

I THINK I REMEMBER THIS ONE FOR POWER YOU WERE HERE AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.

>> AND COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. I THINK THE HEIGHT WAS A THING, THANK YOU FOR ADJUSTING THAT. THE USES WAS GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SPEAK TO ME OF GOOD NEIGHBOR. QUESTION ONE OF THE PARTS THAT BOTHERED ME ABOUT THAT PROJECT WAS THE IDEA OF THE OPEN SPACE BEING THE ROW TENSION POND. RETENTION POND AS A REQUIREMENT AND I UNDERSTAND OUT OF PUD HAS A 25% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PROPERTIES THAT YOUR GROUP IS PUTTING TOGETHER IN THAT AREA, I LIKE THE FLEX SPACE.

IT GREAT. I LIKED THE DIVERSE USES. THAT THIS WAS A FUN CRAZY PICTURE YOU PUT IN THERE. BUT WHEN I WENT TO THE BACK OF THE SITE YOU HAVE YOUR RETENTION POND/OPEN SPACE IT IS FENCE IN THE AND LOOKS TERRIBLE. YOU SAY TELL BE ATTRACTIVE AREA RECREATIONAL TYPE AREA. WHICH HELL REQUIRE A FENCE FOR LIABILITY.

BUT, THAT WAS NOT THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD LOOKING AT THE FIRST PROJECT.

SO I WANT TO BE ASH SURED GOING FORWARD THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TOREPEATED ITSELF.

IT IS NOT IN ANY DEFINITION I CAN MAKE AN OPEN SPACE. TYPESET IS JUST A FUNCTIONAL THING THAT IS FENCED OFF BY A CHAIN FENCE. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

>> SURE. THE SO -- THIS DEVELOPMENT IS -- I THINK WE HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO AMEN TYPES IT AS WELL BECAUSE THIS ONE WE INTEND TO BULK HEAD THE POND AND TALK WITH NICE ABOUT NICE STRUCTURAL BLOCK FOR THAT PROJECT. THAT WITH THE FOUNTAIN AND -- MAY BE LIGHTING. WE ALSO HAVE A GREEN SPACE IN THAT ALLOWS FOR A NICE OPPORTUNITY FOR A BENCH OR SEATING AREA THERE. I DON'T LIKE TO SHARE TOO MUCH ON THE SITE PLANNING SIDE BUT I CAN SHARE SOME THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.

YOU WILL SEE I TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT THE GREEN. WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE P.

IN FACT. THE PLANNING WE HAVE DONE TODAY AT 21%.

OPEN SPACE. WE ARE ALMOST THERE. IF YOU LOOK TO THIS AREA HERE, AND REMEMBER BEHIND US IS TREES. WITH THE NICE FOUNTAIN AND THIS GREEN AREA, I THINK THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN ENJOY A BREAK AND IT OFFERS UP A MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE DID IN STERLING PLAZA PHASE TWO. THAT'S 1 THING THAT IS GOOD. I MEAN I'M NOT TRYING TO BE OBSTANNANT. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND AND I DID TALK TO MRS. BREEDING SHE GAVE

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JUST -- THE IDEA BEHALF I SAW AND WHAT WAS SPOKE EN OF IN POWERS SEEMS LIKE TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS IN YOUR RADAR AND STEP IT UP A BIT.

FOR THE SAKE OF THE BEAUTY -- >> THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE USING IT.

SOME OF THE GYM THEY GO OUTSIDE AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE ARE AND TAKE BREAKS AND WALK. I AGREE. I THINK WE CAN COMMIT TO

STEPPING THAT UP. >> I APPRECIATE THAT, THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE, FIRST THE ARIAL PHOTO YOU SHOWED.

SHOWED TRAFFIC ONUS ONE THERE WERE TWO CARS. I WONDERED HOW YOU GOT THAT PHOTO WITH NO CARS? [LAUGHTER] I'M SERIOUS. LET ME LOOK IS IS THAT AI GENERATED. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT. LET ME SEE IT IS NOT MY EXPERIENCE, EITHER. I WISH IT WAS LIKE THAT COMING DOWN.

LOOK AT THAT. NO. THIS PICTURE IS I BELIEVE FROM WE HAVE A SERVICE CALLED MULTIVISTA. MULTIVISTA DOES DRONE FOOTAGE OF EVERYONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS. AND THIS WAS WAY BELIEVE A CLIP FROM THEIR VIDEO DRONE.

MUST HAVE BEEN A SUNDAY AT 7 I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT.

AND THEY GO OUT DURING BUSINESS HOUR THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY I DIDN'T PICK UP ON THAT, THAT IS ODD. >> I NOTE TODAY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I WAS STUCK IN AN UNDER BEARABLE TRAFFIC JAM INSPECT THAT AREA.

AND IT WAS HORRIFIC. THERE WAS NOT ANY ACCIDENTS ONCE TRAFFIC BARELY STARTED.

SKWOO WERE YOU NORTHBOUND OR SOUTHBOUND. >> SOUTHBOUND STRUCK IN TRAFFIC THERE. OTHER NOOF THEREOF YES. NORTHBOUND I GET IT TEMPERATURE

DON'T GET MUSH ASSOCIATE BURDEN >> I NOTE THIS, TOO. THE MAP THAT IS PROVIDED BY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT SHOWS THIS IS A DEFICIENT SEGMENT US ONE.

YOUURE OVER 88% OF OF CURRENT TRAFFIC, 123% COMMITTED DAILY TRAFFIC.

THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON FURTHER NORTH. IN THERE, THERE ARE NO IMPROVE AMS I CAN SEE THAT ARE GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC THERE. WONDER, HOW MANY MORE OF THESE CAN WE APPROVE WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS SO ONEROUS AND THAT TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE UNDER WAY. COMING UP US ONE TON JACKSONVILLE IN THE MORNINGS.

SO, THAT IS AND OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PULL THE TRAFFIC OFF THE ROAD THIS IS CLOSER TO

HOMES AND RIGHT OFF THE MAJOR. >> I WILL HAVE TO JUST TELL YOU AND ADMIT I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF THAT MORE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO EQUAL TO ULTIMATELY LESS TRAFFIC.

I DON'T SEE THAT LOGIC. I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT. THE I SEE THAT BUT DON'T

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PUBLISHED A NEW UPDATE YESTERDAY. THIS ROADWAY WE OPERATE 82% WITH TRAFFIC AT 108%. AS WE GO THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS ON THE ANNUAL BASIS, WE ARE SEEING RESERVED TRIP UPTAKE AS COMPARED TO ACTUAL TRIP ON THE GROUND WE SEE A REDUCTION AS ACTUAL TRIPS COMPARED WHAT THE COMMUTING TRIP ARE. WE HAVE NO COMMITMENT TRAFFIC.

WHEN THINGS ARE BUILT AND REAL TRAFFIC EXIST ITS IS COMING IN SLOWER THAN ANTICIPATED WHEN THE TRIPS WERE RESERVED YEARSING00. IN THIS AREA THEY WOULD BE FROM TWIN CREEKS.

WE NO LONGER NAG IT TO NONRESIDENTIAL. THEY ARE ALL EXEMPT FROM THE CONCURRENCY PROCESS. UNTIL YOU PULL A CONSTRUCTION PLAN WE WILL NOT DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. LIN TO PRESENTATION THEY ELUDEED PASS BY TRIPS THAT IS A WELL UNDERSTOOD PROCESS IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. AND REALLY DEPENDING ON MIXED USES YOU COULD SEE A GAS STATIONS VERSUS A PRIVATE SCHOOL YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE GOING IN ONE DIRECTION AND ANOTHER. PREVIOUSLY THE COUNT EMCAPPED IT AT 20% THAT IS A ROUGH WAY TO HANDLE THIS THE USES ARE DISPARATE. YOU TYPICALLY SEE HIGHER THAN 20%. TIMES ALMOST UPWARDS OF 90% FOR CERTAIN USES.

CERTAINLY, BYPASS AS MEANS OF GETTING TRIPS OFF ROAD TOW GO TO NONRESIDENTIAL USE DOES EXIST.

JUST BROADLY SPEAKING WE DON'T CAPTURE THIS ANYMORE. I APOLOGIZE.

GOOD ANSWER, THANK YOU. BASED ON WHAT MRS. SPIEGEL OBSERVED FOR POND IN THE BACK FOR THE STERLING PLAZA. LANGUAGE YOU PUT IN WAS GREAT LANGUAGE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE THAT SECTION ABOUT THE AMENITY AND OPEN SPACE WITH THE POND.

CERTINITY FOUNTAIN. BASED ON STERLING PLAZA IS AND SIMILAR LANGUAGE USED TO THE 25% REDUCTION IN OPEN FACE INCORPORATING THE POND PART OF THAT -- WHAT CAN YOU SAY? HOW CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT THE REALITY NEXT DOOR IT DID NOT HAPPEN BUT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. JEOPARDY WE DID NOT HAVE THE SERENITY FOUNTAIN IN THAT ONE.

THAT IS REAL. I'M NOT IT BEING FACETIOUS I THINK THIS HAS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO BE AMENITIES. I WILL SAY WITH TRAFFIC, IT IS MY BIG OF THE COMPLAINT THE WORLD FOUND THIS. I HAVE BEEN HERE -- 44 YEARS. AND THE TRAFFIC IS -- A BURDEN.

I KNOW IT IS A HEAVY BURDEN FOR YOU AND THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.

WE ARE FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, HOPE TO PUT IN A DECELL LANE IN THIS PROJECT.

RIGHT NOW THE WAY WHEN YOU COME UP YOU U TURN YOU AND UP PROJECT AND THE ROAD HAPPENS TO GO FRESHMAN 65 TO 55. PEOPLE BARRELLING BACK WHEN YOU TURN TO STERLING PLAZA.

WE MET WITH DOT. LAST TIME WE WANTED ONE AS WELL THEY SAID, NO DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TRIP GENERATION TO ALLOW IT. THEY SAID, NO. THIS TIME THEY SAID YES.

SO WE INTENDS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT TO PUT IN A DESOLE TO STERLING PLAZA SPENCER PLAZA.

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FLORIDA DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION SAID, NO. >> YES , SIR.

>> CONCERNING YOUR OPEN SPACE. STAFF ANALYSIS SAID STAFF HAS OCCASIONS TO THE REQUESTED WAIVER LAND CODE DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE PART OF THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS THE PROPERTY DOES NOT APPEAR TO PROVIDE DIFFICULTY IN MEETING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. AND THE SAME FOR YOUR 10% SETBACK.

YES. WHAT DIFFICULTIES TO YOU HAVE? PUT NOTHING ABOUT AN ACRE OF

DEVELOPMENT ON A 3 ACRE SITE. WHY CAN'T YOU -- >> WELL, THERE IS PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY WHICH IS WHY WE ASKED IT IN THE STERLING PLAZA PHASE TWO.

THEY SAID THE SAME THING FOR THE SETBACK AND FOR THAT IS S AS WELL THAT'S THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT IS -- THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THE WAIVER. IT BOILS DOWN TO -- THIS.

CODE DOES A GOOD JOB OF -- LIMITING THE SIZE OF THE SURFACE.

BECAUSE OF THE SMALL NATURE OF THE CITES THAT IS WHY WE REQUEST THE WAIVER.

WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH DENSITY TEAFFORD TORBUILD OUR PROJECTS. APPROVED AND SO -- WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A 10 FOOT SETBACK, IT IS A BIG DEAL. BECAUE IT ALLOWS FOR THAT EXTRA PARKING ON SITE AND PARKING IS SOMETHING THAT TURNS PEOPLE AWAY.

WITHOUT THE PARKING WE DON'T GET THE PEOPLE. WITHOUT THE PEOPLE YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN BUSINESSES. IT IS A TRICKLE DOWN AFFECT. SAME WITH THE POND AND OPEN SPACE. I GIVE YOU AN OFFER THIS CONCESSION.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AMENITY VERSUS FUNCTION WITH OPEN SPACE. FUNCTION OF AVOIDING FLOODING.

SOMEONE MAY SAY, WE DON'T LIKE THAT AND SUE YOU FOR FLOODING THEM.

THAT'S A BIGGER DEAL. IT IS A BIG DEAL. WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY.

IN HIS DEVELOPMENT, I WILL GO BACK. THE REASON I HIGHLIGHTED IT GREEN. OUR REQUEST IN THIS PUD NOW IS -- MAXIMUM OF THE PUD, I THINK 75%. THIS SITE PLAN WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY WITH.

WE DON'T GET TO SITE PLANING IS ZONING AND THERE IS A PLACE FOR THIS.

WE ARE LESS THAN 65%. TESTIMONY IS A 10% REDUCTION. WE ARE 21% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT WITHOUT THE POND. 10% LESS O SURFACE THAT IS THOUSANDS OF GALLONS WE WOULD NOT HAVE. I WOULD STATE IT WE WILL NOT GO OVER 65% ON THE ISR IF THAT HELPS. GOOD OFFER AND GOOD ANSWER. APPRECIATE IT.

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> QUICK, ROOKING AT LIST OF PROHIBITED BUSINESSES IN THERE.

CAN YOU INCLUDE THE VAPE SHOPS. VAPE SHOPS. SMOKING.

SO -- THE PART OF ME SAYS YES. BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE VAPE SHOP I HAVE TAKEN MANY FROM MY CHILDREN. AND I THINK IT IS A TERRIBLE ADDICTION.

THE ECONOMIC SIDE OF IT IS THAT THEY DO PAY AND I WOULD PREFER NOT TO INCLUDE THAT LET ME SO, I

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ONE WAS A LIBERTARIAN RELATE TO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KILL THEMSELVES LET THEM.

IF THEY WANT BAD HABITS LET THE MARKET DO ITS THING. OTHER WAS OPPOSED THEY DID NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT SERVICE. CONSCIOUS WOULD BE CLEAR.

ULTIMATELY WE PUT A VAPE SHON IN THERE BECAUSE TLA PAID THAT RENT.

IT WAS A STRUGGLE. THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH. IF IT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A YES VOTE AND NO VOTE R. OPPOSED TO I WOULD SAY YES TO YOUR REQUEST.

>> I'M CONCERNED WITH VAPE SHOPS WE HAVE THERE NOW. WHERE ARE THEY? 16 IS AN EXAMPLE NEAR 95. TOO MANY MANY YOUNG KIDS GOING IN THE VAPE SHOPS AND TO PUT PROFIT BEFORE KIDS IS A CONCERN I HAVE. YEA.

ALL RIGHT NO VAPE. YOU CONVINCED ME UPON THAT'S FINE.

LOOK I AGREE I STRUGGLE WILLIAM IT BECAUSE I KNOW -- YEA I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER.

SO I WAS OPPOSED IN AT I295 AND BAY MEADOWS. I KNOW THEY PAY AND YOU NEVER

KNOW WHERE THE MARKET IS AGO. WE PUT THAT IN THERE. >> IF YOU WILL INCLUDE THAT I

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> MR. MATOVINA.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, SAYS IN HERE THAT CONSPIRE USES ALLOWED PIE RIGHT IF NOT PROHIBITED.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THOSE SPECIAL USES ARE? I HAVE A LIST.

IT IS THE -- THE S'S IN THE THROUGH CHAIR. JACOB SMITH I WILL CHIME IN.

WHAT HAD THE APPLICANT IS ABOUT TO GO OVER A LONG LIST I'M HAPPY TO BRING UP SOME.

IN ARTICLE TWO OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE SAY FULL TABLE AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EVERY SPECIAL USE ALLOWED IN AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, COMMERCIAL, OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL. AND I THINK HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

IT IS QUITE A NUMBER OF THINGS. THEY ARE DEMARKATED STRICTLY IN OUR TABLE.

TYPESET IS THAT LIST. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER A FEW OF THEM I CAN BRING UP THE

MORE INTENSE ONES. >> YEA. O TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT TO PICK ONES OUT WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT. JUST FOR COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE COMMERCIAL INDOOR RECREATION IS ONE. ALLOWS FUNERAL HOMES MORIARIES.

MI MICROBREWERIES. .

BREW TO PUBS. BARS, PUBS, NIGHT CLUBS. ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES.

OIL CHANGE, CAR WASH. >> WHAT ABOUT OUT DOOR ACTIVITIES LIKE STORAGE?

I DON'T THINK THAT IT WILL BE THERE GIVE ME A SECOND. >> OUT DOOR STORAGE IS ALLOWED

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BY RIGHT IN COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. >> WE ARE NOT COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE. JUST COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL. IT IS,LLOWED BY RIGHT. I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER? SEEING 91 WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION AND A MOTION. MR. PRESIDENT MATOVINA.

OKAY. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD2025-04 SPENCER PLAZA BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS OF FACTS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ADDING TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE USES SHALL NOT INCLUDE VAPE SHOPS, SCH I HEARD BAIT SHOPS.

>> THIS GUY DOES NOT LIKE FISHING. [LAUGHTER].

CHILDREN ARE HOOKOD BAIT SHOPS. AND THE 65% ISR AS THE MAX. MR. GREEN?

>> WE HAVE IA MOTION AND A SECOND. NO FURTHER COMMENT.

PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN. ALL RIGHT. PASSES 5-0.

[3. ZVAR 2025-21 Flint Carport. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section 6.01.03.E.3 of the Land Development Code to allow for a reduced second Front Yard setback of four (4) feet and six (6) inches in lieu of the required twenty (20) feet for a Corner Lot located in Residential, Single Family (RS-2) zoning to allow for the placement of an open-air carport; located specifically at 7200 A1A S.]

CONGRATULATION. >> THANK YOU. >> ITEM 3 EX PARTE ON ITEM 3 WHICH IS ZONING VARIANCE FOR THE FLINT CAR PORT. PRESENTER IS COMING FORWARD.

MR. GREEN. YES, I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BEFORE THE MEETING WE TALKED

ABOUT THE HISTORY OF CRESCENT BEACH. >> MS. SPIEGEL.

I DID A SITE VISIT AND MADE A CALL TO SPOKE TOTE RECEPTIONIST TO LET THEM KNOW I WAS CLOSE AND LOOKING NOT TO BE FREAKED OUT. AND -- THAT WAS MY SITE INDIVIDUAL.

>> LABANOWSKI. >> I VISITED THE SITE AS WELL. >> THE FLOOR IS YOURS,

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SID, 780 NORTH POND BOULEVARD ON BLAFL OF DOUG AND JANET FLINT.

YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE PACKET RELATIVE TO THE PROJECT. AND SO WE ONLY HAVE ADDED THREE SLIDES. THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD ADDRESS THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES.

AND -- BEFORE I SPEAK, ALCOHOL BE BRIEF. I THINK ALL THREE OF OUR SPEAKERS WILL SPEAK QUITE BRIEFLY, I -- JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT AFTER ME WILL BE PETER KING, WHEN HE IS A PLANNER. AND WORKED 10 YEARS AT CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, PLANNING DIRECTOR IN NASSAU COUNTY FOR 10 YEARS AND DONE WORK IN THIS AND MANY OTHER COUNTIES.

FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS. BOTH WITH ME AND AGAINST ME. AS YOUR STAFF REPORT NOTES, THE PROPERTY IS -- BEEN LOCATED HERE SINCE A PLAT WAS CREATED IN THE 1946.

THE HOUSE THAT IS AT ISSUE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1952. JUST BY WAY OF OF QUICK BACKGROUND AND REMINDER, I'M A LAWYER WHO BELIEVES I'M NOT AT TESTIFYING PERSON.

I WILL LET OUR EXPERT AND OUR CLIENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, SPEAK MORE.

I THINK I WILL GIVE BACKGROUND. AND THEN SHOW A COUPLE OF VARIOUS SIMPLE CONFIGURATIONS.

BUT ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO -- POINT TO -- IS WE CONTEND THAT THE BASIS FOR THE VARIANCE

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USED FOR DECADES AS, I BELIEVE, DUNE WALK OVER 165. AND CONTINUES TO BE SO.

I WILL NOW JAM HECK OUT OF THIS. THERE IS -- GREEN ROAD WALK OVER.

EVEN THOUGH IT IS ON WHAT WAS BROOD STREET. WHAT MR. GREEN AND I DISCUSSED.

HIS FAMILY BUILT IT ACROSS THE STREET. IT IS GREEN ROAD BECAUSE THE CLOSEST CROSS STREET IS GREEN ROAD FOR THAT SUBDIVISION. THERE ARE SHOULD BE A 30 THERE, THIS IS AN ELEVATION BY DRMP REFLECTS THE ELEVATIONS AND PETER KING WILL SPEAK TO.

YOU SEE THE WALL BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE DUNE WALK OVER. YOU SEE THE HIGH DUNE FORMATION.

WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DOM WE ARE SEEKING 4.6 FEET OFF OF THE WALL TO PUT A 24 BY 20 POLE BARN. ORDINARILY, THIS LINE WOULD BE APPLICABLE.

IT WOULD BE 20 FEET BACK FROM THE NOMINAL BROAD STREET. THE POINT THAT WE THINK IS MOST SALIENT HERE IS THE 20 FEET IS IF THIS IS A CORNER LOT AND THIS IT IS A STREET.

THIS IS NOT FUNCTIONING AS A STREET. NOT GOING TO FUNCTION AS A STREET. IT NEVER HAS. THE WALLS WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN IN YOUR PACKAGE AND ALSO ON ELEVATIONS PRECLUDE ACCESS THE 20 FEET WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE FOR, FOR STREETS SIDE, FOR SAFETY, AND AESTHETICS S THAT WL NEVER BE AN ISSUE HERE.

OTHER QUESTION I HEARD BACK NOT FROM MR. GREEN BUT STAFF WAS WHY CAN'T YOU BELIEVE A POLE BARN FOR PARKING ELSEWHERE ON PROPERTY? IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, THERE IS A GRAY OUT LINEUP THE MIDDLE. THAT IS OUR DRIVEWAY. IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT SETBACK TO THE SOUTHERN PARCEL, I WANT YOU TO NOTE THE HISTORY OF OF THIS SITE MAKE MY RESPONSE SAL SALIENT.

THE HISTORY IS ALL OF YOU KNOW THE HAMILTONS. PAT HAM TOP SOLD THE PROPERTY.

BILL DID THE LANDSCAPING FOR THIS PROPERTY. FLINTS WENT BACK TO BILL HAMILTON WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. FRONT YARD WAS SAINT AUGUSTINE SAWED BILL RECOMMENDED THEY TAKE OUT THE SAWED THAT THEY PLANT VARIOUS TREE THAT WERE COASTAL

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MR. FLINT FOLLOW TESTIFY THAT HE HAS BEEN TOLD BY REPRESENTATIVES OF OF THE SOUTH ANASTASSIA COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION THIS IS THE ONE OF THE MOST TREED PROPERTY IN SOUTH ANSTASHIA.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS USE THE EXISTING THREE QUARTER CENTURY OLD PARKING PAD.

HAVE A POLE BETTER THAN. APPLY THE EXISTING PROPERTY AS WELL AS WE CAN AND ALSO -- JUST BY WAY OF REFERENCE UP IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER WHERE THAT 24 BY 20 IS, IS THE WALK WAY UP TOW THE HOUSE. SO -- YOU KNOW WE ARE BEING LOOING AT BOTH THAT IS LOGICAL IN TERMS OF OF THE DRIVEWAY. AND NOT GOING THE DESTRUCTION WHERE THE FLINTS TRIES EVERYTHING. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO NOTE BEFORE I GO BACK AND DEAL WITH MY FUN ELEVATION SLIDE AGAIN. IS00 OOP WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT ELEVATIONS FROM THE WALK OVER, THANK YOU. TO BE TOO SURE WHEN WE ARE GOING TO IS THIS BILL COME OUTOIR SOMEONE OF HIS IS AND WILL RECOMMEND PLANTINGS THAT WE WILL PLACE IN THE 4.6 FEET BETWEEN THE PAD AND THE WALL. I DON'T CLAIM TO BE AN

ARPORDIFFER >> PLANTS CAN GROW THAT HIGH WE THINK THAT WILL GO THE EXTRA MILE. NOT TO HAVE EXTERNALITIES. SO OF COURSES WITH THAT I WOULD

LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TOW MR. KING. >> THANK YOU.

PETER KING REPORTING THE APPLICANT. ADDRESS IS 404 WEST 77TH STREET JACKSONVILLE. I DON'T WANT TO BE REPETITIVE. SID DID A GOOD JOB ON SLIDES AND EXPLAINING THE SITUATION. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE ARIAL THAT -- SID BROUGHT UP THAT THE HOUSE WAS PERMITTED AT ZERO OR CLOSE TO ZERO. RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE HOUSE IS. THAT'S IMPORTANT IS SHOWS THE COUNTY INTERCEPTED THIS SIDE OF THE LOT AS A SIDE NOT A FRONT. THERE IS A HARDSHIP HERE THAT THE IN ORDER TO PUSH THAT CAR PORT BACK 20 FEET OUR CLIENTS WILL HAVE TO DO DESTRUCTION TO THE NATIVE VEGETATION THAT SID MENTIONED. POUR A NEW PARKING APRON. AND IT ALL TAKES INTO,A COUNT THAT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CAR PORT THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE HOUSE.

RIGHTS ON THE LINE TO THE WEST OR NORTH. THE IERMENT AN APPLICANT MEET

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I THINK MAY BE STAFF IS ROW VALUING GREEN ROAD. IT COULD BE A STREET IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD SUBMIT THAT WILL NOT BE THE CASE.

IF YOU GO BACK TO OUR -- WITH RESPECT WE WERE -- TO PREVIOUS -- I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THIS IS NEVER WAS NEVER A STREET WILL NEVER BE A STREET. I THOUGHT AS SID SAID MAY BE THIS IS AN AESTHETIC ISSUE? THAT'S LEGIT. WE CAN PLANT VEGETATION TO SHIELD THE CAR PORT FROM THE BEACH WALK OVER. IN CONCLUSION THE GREEN ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NOT A STREET. NEVER WILL BE A STREET. SINCE FRONT YARDS ARE MEASURED FROM STREETS THE 20 FOOT YARD SETBACK DOES NOT APPLIES. APPLICANT SHOULD BE PERMITTED AT DIDN'T SINCE ACCESSORY USE WOULD BE THREE FEET PER SIDE. THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF VISUAL IMPACTS AND GOING TO CONDITION APPROVAL ON PLANTING HEDGEY VEGETATION TO CREATE A SCREEN.

THAT'S IT. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU I'M DOUG FLINT HERE WITH MY WIFE THERE.

AND SID AND PETER HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. I THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD TO GIVE YOU MORE OF THE HISTORY AND THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

CRESCENT BEACH MY WIFE AND I I'M A CAREER LAWYER BUT SPENDING MORE OUR PRODUCTIVE TIME DOING BUILDING RENOVATION AND REHAB. SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN WE LOOKED LOOK WHAT TO BUY HERE THIS OLD HOUSE WAS ATTRACTIVE TO US. IT IS THE THING WE DO. BUILT ON IT LAND ORIGINALLY SUBDIHAVE AEDED IN 1919 AND PLATTED IN THE 1946. AND THEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT BY AS MOST OF THEM THERE BUILT BY A FAMILY IN HASTINGS. A BEACH HOME.

IT WAS EXPAND IN THE 1980. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THE STRUCTURE YOU SEE TOW THE EAST OF ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. THE ORIGINAL WAS IN 52 AND IT WAS EXPANDED TO THE EAST.

1980 THE -- YOU WILL NOTICE O THE NORTHERN SIDE, THIS PART THAT ARE IS ADJACENT TO THE WALL, FOLLOWING THE BEACH WALK OVER WALK WAY IS A SHED THAT GOES ALL WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT IT IS SITS ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THE HOUSE ITSELF IS 4.SICK FEET OFF PROPERTY LINE NATURE OF AND REASON FOR THE REQUEST FOR THE CAR PORT.

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WHERE WE SEEK TO PUT A COVER. AND SO WE GET OUR CARS AND RV OUT OF THE SUN.

AND ASSAULT AIR WE ARE STRIKE TO PROTECT THAT ENHANCE THE PROPERTY.

WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE PICTURES IT IS NOT A TRACTOR SUPPLY METAL CAR PORT. WE USE THE SAME BARREL TILE ROOFING MATERIAL AND MAKE IT LOOK SO IT IS KEEPING WITH THE OLD HOMES THERE.

SO IT LOOK NICE. IT IS ALL WE SEEK TO DO. SO.

FURTHER TO THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, WHEN IT WAS EXPAND IN THE 1980, THE OWNER AT THAT TIME DECIDED TAIL WANTED TO ADD VEGETATION AM THEY HIRED MR. HAMILTON AND HIS COMPANY.

MR. HAMILTON SAID IT WAS HIS FIRST BIG JOB OUT OF SCHOOL. WE WENT THROUGH THE BROKERAGE RUN BY HIS BROTHER. WE SAID WE KIND OF OUR THING SUGGEST PRESERVATION AND WHETHER HISTORIC OR HORTICULTURAL. AND DECIDEDED REMOVE ALL TURF. O BILL'S SUGGESTION WE ZERO SCAPED THE PROPERTY. GROUND COVER IS ALL MULCH BUT MULCH WE PRODUCE ON SITE.

WE HAVE 80 FULL GROWN PALMS ON THE LOT. BIPARTISAN PLANTED 42 IN THE 80S. THESE ARE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. AND FROM THOSE 42 OLD TREES WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL 40 SOMETHING REGENERATE AND THEY ARE NOW FULL GROWN AS WELL.

WHEN WE TOOK THE TURF OUT BILL ADDED 20 MORE. THEY WERE OF VARYING SPECIES 2 ONLY TWO WERE THE SABL PALMS HE HAD PREVIOUSLY PLANTED REGENERATED VERSIONS OF IN 1980 IS ASK BILL DESIGNED A PAUL SPECIMEN GARDEN FOR THE OPEN AREAS WHERE THERE WAS TURF.

A CITRUS GARDEN AND ANOTHER AND A SMALL [INAUDIBLE] GARDEN. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO US.

WE -- TRIED OUR BEST TOAST SCREEN IT. WE DID NOT BUILD A MC MANSION.

IF WE WERE TO LET'S PRETEND THIS WAS A STREET AND WE WERE BUILDING ACCORDING TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF 20 FEET. PHOTOCOPY WE WERE TO DO THAT IT WOULD PUT -- IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THIS IS DRIVEWAY HERE IT COME UP. IF WE WERE TO COMPLY WITH THE 20 FOOT SETBACK IT WOULD BE IN THE DRIVEWAY. IT IS NOT USABLE.

WOULD NOT BE A PRACTICAL THING TO DO. THERE IS EIGHTY-ONE OVER FLOW PARKING SPOT TO THE RIGHT OF DRIVEWAY. THERE SAY WALL HERE YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY THAT COME HERE AND UP HERE. THERE IS A SMALL OVER FLOW SPOT HERE. WE WOULD INTENDS TO LEAVE AS AN OVER FLOW SPOT THE TWO, PAING SPOTS HERE. IFY WOO WE DID SOMETHING HERE IT REQUIRES FOR US TO RIP OUT THE PAVING. REPAVE IT ALL. RIP OUT A BUNCH PEDESTRIAN TREES. THIS IS A PLANTED ISLAND HERE. THERE IS A WALL AND HERE AND IT IS PLANTED WITH FURTHER TREES THAT WERE PLANTED IN 1980 THAT WOULD REQUIRE PULLING ALL OF OF THAT OUT. IT TO US BEING LOOING AT THIS, THIS IS THE DESIGN PARKING AREA, IT HAS BEEN THE DESIGN PARKING AREA SINCE THE 50S. WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PARK CARS

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UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTION. I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING RUS TO REPEAT SOME.

MR. LABANOWSKI? A COUPLE QUICK ONES. WHAT IS THE HEIGHT? MAY BE I OVER LOOKED THE HEIGHT OF THE CAR PORT? THE CAR PORT IS JUST OVER 20 FEET. AND THE STRUCTURE OF HOUSE IS ABOUT 40.

IT MEETS THE LITERAL DEFINITION FOR A GARAGE HAVING THE EAVES LOWER BUT THE ALTERNATIVE WAS NOT BEING VISIBILITY FROM OUT SIGHT IS WE ARE PROFFERING THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING VEGETATION IN ORDER TO BLOCK THE ANY VIEW FROM THE WALK OVER TO THE POLE BAR.

CONCERN WALL IS 7 FOOT ABOVE THE PARKING ELEVATION. >> I THINK IT IS THE HIGHEST I

THINK IT IS OVER EIGHT. >> OKAY. WHERE THAT CAR PORT WILL GO IN

AN EIGHT FOOT WALL THERE? >> YES , SIR. THE HOUSE SETS BACK FIVE FEET?

>> 4.6. THE PAD, IF YOU LOOK. AGAIN I DID NOT WANT TO PETER AND PIARE OCD WE THROUGH A BUNCH OF PHOTOS DOES NOT WANT TO CLICK ALL AFTERNOON.

IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACKAGE THE HOUSE IS 4.6 THE PAD IS 4.6. WE THOUGHT INSTEAD OF GOING TO EIGHT, WE WERE ASKING FOR POWER 4 OPINION 6 THE STRUCTURES WOULD BE PARALLEL AND ANY EXTERNAL IMPACT WE THINK WE'LL WOULD HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO PUT PLANTINGS IN.

>> THAT WALL THE HIDE. >> THANK YOU. >> THERE CAN.

>> AND IF I'M SORRY. THROUGH THE CHAIR. NOT JUST A PORTION THE GOAL IS ACTUALLY WHETHER BLUE BAMBOO OR SOMETHING PLANTED IN CLUMPS AND NOT BE GOING EVERY WHERE.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD COVER ALL. MR. MATOVINA? DOES THE POLE HAVE AN EVE?

>> THE EVE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE UP TO JUST OVER 20 FEET IN THE MIDDLE.

NO EVE THE TAIL END OF THE ROOF. DOES THIS HAVE. >> IT DOES HAVE AN OVER HANG.

46 IS WHERE IT WOULD START IF THAT IS YOUR QUESTION. >> EVE IS IN THE ENCREPING IN

4.6. >> THANK YOU. MRS. SPIEGEL.

THROUGHOUT CHAIR. WHAT WOULD BE THE SETBACK IF NOT THE RIT OF WAY? THROUGHOUT CHAIR STANDARD SIDE SETBACK IN THE ZONE REGULAR WOULD ARE EIGHT FEET.

APPLICANT INDICATED FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OPERATED BAY MORE THAN 10 FEET IS A 3

FOOT SET BECOME IN A SIDE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FWR THE BOARD.

YOOP ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? >> WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR COMMENTS, A MOTION AND VOTE. MR. LABANOWSKI. I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONE VARIANCE 2025 FLINT CAR PORT BASED ON FACT AND CONDITIONS.

>> SECOND BY MR. GREEN. MRS. SPIEGEL? I WANTED TO SAY, I LOVE ALL THE TREE IT IS. THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT. IT CAN BE DONE YOU CAN DOM THE

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THANK YOU. PASSES 4-1. CONGRATULATIONS.

[4. ZVAR 2025-33 3930 Coastal Highway. A request for a Zoning Variance to Table 6.01 of the Land Development Code to allow for a reduced Front Yard setback of 15 feet in lieu of required 25 feet and a reduced second Front Yard setback of 8 feet in lieu of the required 20 feet, for a single-family residence on a Corner Lot located next to an unopened right-of-way in Residential, General (RG-2) zoning, located at 3930 Coastal Highway.]

MR. LABANOWSKI. MR. SPIEGEL. > I VISITED THE SITE.

>> I VISITED THE SITE. >> OKAY. CHIP MITCHELL, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ZONING VARIANCE AT 3930 COASTAL HIGHWAY. I'M HERE.

I'M CHIP MITCHELL WITH DESIGNS FOR LIVING ORTEGA FARMS BOULEVARD.

JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'M REPRESENTING TED, HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY HE IS FROM THE AREA. RETIRING AND WANTS TO BUILD HIS FINAL HOUSE.

WE KNOW THAT WHY WE ARE HERE FOR THAT. THIS IS AMAZING THE GUY DID A PLAT IN 1916 THIS WAS 1924 WHEN THE PLAT WAS SIGNED. TYPESET IS NORTH BEACH.

YOUURE FAMILIAR WITH. I HAVE BEEN WORKING THIS MARKET UP AND DOWN SINCE 78.

SO -- WAS ANYTHING TO GIVE YOU BRIEF NUMBERS. 1924 IT WAS PLATTED.

THERE ARE 42 MILES OF OCEAN FRONT. THEM IS 1.25 MILES.

THERE ARE 54 OCEAN FRONT LOT IN NORTH BEACH. UNOPEN ROADS IN NORTH BEACH IT IS CRAZY. ONLY NEIGHBORHOODS I SEEN THAT HAS A ROAD ACCESS ON EVERY OTHER LOT. OR EVERY 2 LOTS. THERE ARE 36 HOMES THAT ARE BUILD. ON THE LOTS THAT ARE THE CORNERS.

THEY ENCOACH FROM AIRIAN PHOTO. UNBUILT LOTS TO THE KARNER LETS. THE OUT OF UNOPENED SPACES, WHICH ARE 24. 16 OF THEM ARE BEING USED BY THE PUBLIC FOR ACCESS THEY WALK ACROSS THERE FROM NEIGHBORHOODS. AND TIP THEY DON'T EVER WANT TOP CLOSE ACCESS UPON WHICH IS GOOD.

MOST OF THE TIME I EXPERIENCE HAD I'M DEALING WITH PROPERTIES DOWN HERE.

YOU HAVE ANACIMENT OR DEDICATED STRIP WITH PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE BEACH.

ALL I COULD FIND AT NORTH BEACH THEY HAD THIS MANY ACCESSES. YOU CAN'T SEE THAT WELL UPON THE TINY HOW THES TOTE SOUTH THERE. THAT WAS BUILT IN 1984. THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1979.

THIS IS GOING TOA REPLACE P.M. HOME THERE WAS A 4 PLEX ON THE PROPERTY FOR 35 YEARS.

AND THEN THE STORMS I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BIG NOR'EASTER AFTER THAT TOOK IT OUT AND THE GUY TOOK IT DOWN. THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUE, ITS GOT I WILL SHOW YOU HERE.

I DON'T KNOW BUT ALL THE WAY TO 60 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE HERE.

THAT WAS BARRICADED DONE, DEP ALLOWED THAT BECAUSE OF THE STORM DAMAGE OF THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY. I'M WORKING ON SIX OCEAN FRONT NOW.

GOT THROUGH WITH TWO THEY ALL HAD THE 15 FOOT SETBACK. I THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE TO SEE

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THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ALL AT 15 FEET. THE MY CLIENT WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE AND UTILIZE THE LOT LIKE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE HAD DONE. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

HOPEFULLY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. ... >> KIDNAP QUESTIONS FROM THE

BOARD? MR. LABANOWSKI? >> I DEPUTY NOTICE NORTH OF THERE THE BUILD PREGNANT IS 16 FEET AWAY. AND SOUTH IS 15 FEET.

HOW MUCH EASEMENT IS THIS FOR BEACH WORK. TYPESET IS AN UNOPENED ROAD.

>> GOING TO THE OEGDZ. >> UP AND DOWN ALL THE00 THEY ARE ALL 60 THERE WILL WILL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS RECOMMEND FOR BEACH WORK TO BE DONE.

WHICH IS ON GOING. LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT STAYS IN. WHEN THEY RESTORED THE BEACH WE WERE HELD UP WITH GETTING PERMITS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME IN.

THEY MAY HAVE COMING OFF MESMITH'S PROPERTY. HE WILL BE UP HERE IN A MINUTE.

MINEVER SEEM THEM GO THROUGH UNOPENED ROADS. >> WORRIED ABOUT THE OCEAN SIDE THEY GOT DO THE FILL PART. OTHER, MR. MATOVINA? WHAT ARE OTHER DIMENSIONS? 83 FEET. THE DEPTH? THE DEPTH IS -- 30 SOMETHING, MAY BE? IT IS IN COMPLIANCE. COST OF CONTROL LINE IS LIMITING THE DEPTH. NO IT IS LIMITED BY A WAVE ACTION LINE.

THEM LOT IS BEAR INDICATED DID IS FROM BULK HEAD. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WILL MENTION ONE OTHER THING. SO, THE OTHER PROPERTIES I HAVE BEEN INVOLVEDED WITH UNDER CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORING AREA THEY HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT BLOCKING FOUR FOOT BIKE PATH. I KNOW THAT IS DIFFERENT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I BRING UP. IF YOU BLOCK THAT POTH SFRRM SOME HAVE A CONCERN IT CREATES A SAFETY WHEN SOMEONE SINCE 78 I NEVER HAD. .

MR. SPIEGEL SOME CAN YOU SAY THERE WAS A BULK HEAD? >> YES.

AND IT IS A GOOD SIZED LOT. WHAT IS PUSHING YOU TO THE STREET.

IF YOU HAVE A BULK HEAD. BY HAVE AWE KAY WHY MIAMI KIENT DID NOT WANT 15.

HE WANTS THE 25. WE DO IT THAT WAY TO SEE IF WILL BE APPROVES THE GUY THAT PUT THE BULL INNING HEAD IN SPENT YOU CAN'T SEE IT, IT IS BURIED UNDER THE STAND.

MY HE WANTS TO PUT IT AT 7 ETCH EVERYBODYYS THE EP GOES OFF WITH YOUR HAD THE STHCHLT

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>> I'M IN FAVOR OF MORE LAND WORLD THAN WATER INFORM CASE YOU ALREADY HAVE A BULK HEAD THERE, I'M NOT SEEING HARVARDSHIP. THE HARDSHIP IS EVERYBODY ELSE IS PUT AT 15.

THE PROPERTY IS EITHER SIDE ENCROACH THE GUY TO AT THIS TIME NORTH.

HE IS ENCROACHING THAT STREET. HE IS -- ENCROACHING AT 12 FEET. HE IS EIGHT HE IS BY AT LEAST TWO FEET. HE IS ENCOACHING THE LEFT TODAY IS THE BACK.

HE IS AT EIGHT AND NOT 20. AND HE IS ENCREPE THE FRONT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING TO ASK TO TAKE YOUR PHOTO YOU LOOK LIKE MY NEIGHBOR. I'M NOT GOING TO.

HE CAN WATCH THIS. I LIKE MY NEIGHBOR. >> MAY BE YOU LIKE ME.

I THOUGHT IT WAS HIM WALKING UPON HERE. >> NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? COME FORWARD AND LET US HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> I KNOW A NUMBER OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE HERE DO YOU WANT US TOGETHER OR ONE BY ONE.

WE ARE NOT PRESSED IF PER TIME IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW HOW MANY WILL SPEAK.

I'M GYM SHIELDS LIVED HERE FOR 20 YEARS 18 ON 207, 77TH HERE, MY WIFE WAS BORN MIKE LER.

I HAVE BEEN LOCAL FOR A LANGUAGE TIME. GENTLEMEN THAT SOLD THE LOT TO THE OWNER IS MYSELF. I OWN TWO HOUSES ON 17TH. THE FIRST HOUSE 208 OUR FAMILY GREW. WE MRUF TED CALIFORNIA AND BOUGHT THAT.

AFTER HURRICANE IRMA. THERE WAS A TRIPLEX THERE. BIG GAUDY THAT WAS THERE.

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IT. GOT DESTROY IN THE IRMA. SAT THERE FOR AWHILE.

BANK KNOCKED IT DOWN AND INVESTOR GROUP FROM FEIGN EX, ARIZONA BOUGHT THE LOT.

THEY GOT MY NUMBER AND SAID WE CAN'T BUILD A TRIPLEX WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY LOT.

THAT WAS IN MID 2020 WE SAID THAT SOUNDS GREAT. WE BOUGHT THE LOT AND TOOK AWHILE TO GET IT PREPARED MY NEIGHBOR JOE AND I WE GOT TOGETHER.

THERE HIS AN OPEN COUNTY LOT WE DID THAT TOGETHER WE DECIDED WE HAVE FIVE CHILDREN 3 AT HOME DUN

TO 4 AND 3 DOG IT WOULD NOT BE SMART TORMOVE TO A1A >> WE PUT THE LOT UP FOR SALE.

HIS CLIENT'S BOUGHT THE LOT. THERE WAS FULL DISCLOSURE. WE CAN PRODUCE DOCUMENTS NECESSARY ON THAT. YOU CAN LOOK SINCE WE OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2020, NO TIME DID WE SEEK A VARIANCE. WE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION FROM YOU.

HAD A DESIGNER COMING IN. THERE WAS A JENNOUS FOOTPRINT FOR A TRIPLEX.

NO TIME DID WE REQUEST FOR THAT TO BE CHANGED. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FAIR.

WE WANTEDED HONOR OR NEIGHBOR. AND WANTED TO BE SAFE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THRIVE 17TH STREET CROSS TO BEACH TO THE SUTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY LOT. THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR BEING ABLE TO DO IT SAFETY. SAFELY. I HAVE A FEW LETTERS THAT COULD BE SHARED. LOOK LUKE I'M OUT OF TIME. WE HAVE A FEW NEIGHBOR SECTION

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FEEL FOR DRAINAGE AND SAFETY THAT THERE IS NO HARD SHIP HERE. THEY HAD FULL DISCLOSURE.

THIS IS JUST A CHOICE OF THEIR DESIGN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NAME AND ADDRESS. LET US HEAR. >> I'M HOUSE TO THE NORTH.

OF THE LOT. 3940 COASTAL HIGHWAY. >> COME UP CLOSER TO THE

MICROPHONE. >> YES. >> COULD YOU PUT THE FOOTPRINT UP OF THE HOUSE YOU ARE PLANNING ON BUILDING? ON THE SCREEN.

I'M HERE TO FIGURE OUT FOR SAFETY. PULLING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY.

WHEN I LOOK TOTE SOUTH NUMBER ONE I HOPE THAT THEY WILL CLEAR BUSHES OF THE WALK WAY THAT WE EVER TALKING ABOUT. HAVING VARIANCE ALL THE WAY OVER TO BUT MORE THAN ONCE, THE TRAFFIC COME TO FAST. I'M CONCERNED IF THE HOUSE WILL BE BACK FURTHER, THAT WERE WITH VEGETATION OR ANYTHING PELS I'M CONCERNED BODY LOOKING SOUTH. I SEE TO THE NORTH COMING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WITH WONDERFUL BULK HEAD THAT TIES INTO MINE. WHICH IS CORED UP BY SAND AND THEN THE HOUSE TO THE SOITH WE HADOIR BULK HEADS. THE OWNER BEFORE ON THE LOT CONNECTED IT ALL.

SPENT A FORTUNE >> AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A STABLE EAST -- TIDON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY -- WHY THE HOUSE HAS TO GO OVER SO FAR. HAS TO COME CLOSER TO THE ROAD? ITS A CHOICE TO HAVE A BIGGER HOUSE IS THIS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE? GOOD. I WANT CLARITY I SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNED WHEN I DO A TURN AND COME OUT FACE FIRST TO THE HIGHWAY. BUT.

>> YOU HAD THAT ONE? >> MINE IS I CAN'T I'M SORRY. THIS HOUSE HERE.

>> UH-HUH. >> COOL. I BUILT IN THE 70S.

THE SAME PEOPLE THAT OWNED THIS HAD A TRIPLEX AND STILL DO ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IT IS A DIFFERENT OWNER. IT WAS RIGHT THERE. AND PIHAVE BEEN LOVING NOT HAVING A NEIGHBOR. I KNEW THAT WOULD END. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GIVING FURTHER VARIANCES ON EITHER DIRECTION WE ARE ALL HAPPILY AT THE SAME PLAIN.

IF I GET THE CITY TO KNOCK DOWN THE PLANTS WHERE WE COULD SIGH BETTER THAT IS AN ISSUE

>> >> WHAT IS YOUR SETBACK? I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW. IF PUARE THIS ONE HERE YOUR FRONT IS 15.

THE ONE THAT IS UP AGAINST THE UNOPENED ROAD IS AT EIGHT. AND FROM OVER HERE, YOU ARE ABOUT 17 FEET RIGHT THERE. JURY OKAY. WE NORMALLY DON'T ALLOW INTERCHANGE LIKE THIS BETWEEN -- ANSWER THE QUESTION A PERSON SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST AN ITEM IN THIS CASE IT IS INFORMATIVE TO HEAR THIS. DON'T MIND IT IF ANYONE ELSE DOES. ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHEN I GOT ON THE PZA, I WANTED VOTE AGAINST ALL 15 FOOT SETBACKS FROM 25. I THOUGHT WE WERE NOT DOING ANYONE FAVORS OURSELVES OR APPLICANTS. IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, JUST A SLEW OF THESE HAVE COME THROUGH AND WE APPROVED EVERYONE OF THEM.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT IS FAIR TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.

IT IS TOUGH. NOT THEY DID NOT ALL HAVE BULK HEADS, THOUGH.

THAT'S A FACTOR MANY DID NOT HAVE. TOUGH ONE TON WRESTLE WITH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK. >> YES.

PLEASE, COME UP. NAME AND ADDRESS. JURY ROOM HI.

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HAS TO SEE THE CAR PASS ON THE RIGHT. ALSO TWO BLOCKS SOUTH OF BOATING SLUB IS WHERE THE LIMIT INCREASES. PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT.

I THINK THAT THE HARDSHIP WILL FALL OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. YOU HAVE 2 BEACH ACSETSES WITHIN 500 FEET OF OTHER.

AND -- TO LET THEM HOUSE COMURE CLOSE TO AWITHIN AN IS >> VERY DANGEROUS.

THAT'S ALL. WROO IF YOU SEE THIS GREEN LINE HERE.

THAT'S THE 15 FEET. >> WE ARE THERE BUT. THIS IT IS NOT I'M SORRY.

I WOULD -- I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE FOR COMMENT BETTER IF YOU RESERVE TO END.

>> ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM I THOUGHT WAS A GENTLEMEN BACK THERE WITH A CAP.

>> ALL RIGHT. NOW YOUR REBUTTAL. >> THANK YOU, LEX.

AM I ALLOWED SHARE WHAT THE HEARING WAS NEXT WOKE SHARE WITH ME FOR TODAY? JAMIE SHIELDS 206 AND 208, 17TH STREET. GENTLEMEN I THINK YOU ARE ALLOWEDED SHARE THAT. HIS NAME IS KEVIN ESQ. NITU LIVES AT 205, 17TH STREET.

HE IS ALSO THE FIRST HOUSE ON 17TH STREET CLOSEST TO THE LOT IN QUESTION.

THEY KNEW THE SETBACK WHEN IS THEY PURCHASED YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN -- YOU SAID THEY ARE LOW ARE THEY ADHERE TO THE SETBACK STANDARDS. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WALK BY THAT AREA OVER WEEKENDS WITH DECREASED VISIBILITY IT IS A HAZZARD.

THIS IS TO BUILD A LARGER HOUSE. KIDS, DOGS AND VISITORS VISIT THERE DAILY.

THERE HAVE BEEN FOR YOU YOU WILL ALL TO KNOW. TWO ACCIDENTS WITNESSED BY NEIGHBOR THAT ANSWER GONE IN THAT BRUSH. USE AN MENTIONED DANGERS THAT IS. THERE IS A CONGESTION ISSUE AND VISIBILITY ISSUE.

YEA. THAT'S, THAT. AND -- THAT BULK HEAD IS CONSIDERABLE AS THE GENTLEMEN STATED. YOU KNOW THERE ARE 400 THOUSAND DOLLARS PUT IN LITERALLY THE BEST BULK HEAD YOU HAVE SEEN. WE WENT ACROSS THAT, I NEVER KNEW IT WAS CALLED AID PUBLIC STREET. WE WERE TOLD THAT ACCESS WAS A ROAD. IT BELONGED US AS THE NEIGHBORS ON 17TH STREET NOT TO BE ENCROACHED UPON BY BUILDERS AND OUR NEIGHBOR JOE HERE, DOES NOT ON HIS OTHER SIDE.

THAT'S MY PEACE THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT FEELING GOOD ABOUT THIS.

I DO BELIEVE A COUPLE OCCURRINGS SENT SUE MAILS TO THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU.

LEX, CAN CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT ABOUT THE ENCROACHING IN THE UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAYS.

THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS OFFICE APPEARS THESE ARE UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAYS BUT PRIVATE AT

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SO WE HAVE LARGE SEGMENTS THAT HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT IS ON THE BEACH.

THAT IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE. IT IS AN INTERESTING SIDE AFFECT.

THEY WILL NOT BE OPENED -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF CANNOT DETERMINE AND WHY WE BRING THESE TO YOU. BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAYS TO BE OPENED. WE BRING IT TO YOU IT IS REASONABLE TO HAVE VARIANCE.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION OF FIRST SPEAKER AGAINST THIS.

YOU BOUGHT THE LOT AND SOLD IT TO THE INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTING. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THE BULK HEAD WAS THERE. WE PUT IN THE BULK HEAD. WE DID THAT AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WE SPLIT THE COST TO PUT IT ACROSS THE LOT THEY WE ALL SHARE 17TH NOW THE COUNTY IS CHARGE OF MAINTAINING THAT. SINCE WE SOLD IT. I COULD PRODUCE ALL PAPERWORK

ALL DISCLOSURE. >> I BELIEVE YOU. I'M FINE.

I WAS WORNING WHEN YOU SOLD THE LOT YOU SAID -- YOU LET THEM KNOW ALL THE PARTICULARS ABOUT IT. DID YOU SAY THEY HAD TO BUILD WITH A 25 FOOT SETBACK.

>> I DID NOT. WHAT WE HAD COUNTY HAD THE SETBACK SET AND WE WERE CLEAR WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEY KNEW WHAT IT WAS. AND NO TIME DID WE AS NEIGHBOR TRY TO GET A VARIANCE OUT OF RESPECT FOR PEOPLE HERE TODAY. AND ALL IF PUREMEMBER THIS TRIPLEX, IT SAT THERE AS AN EYE SORE, IT WAS A LARGE FOOTPRINT AND DRAINAGE WE SPOKE TO A DESIGNER LOCAL IN AREA FOR MANY YEARS HE DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROACHING THAT

CONVERSATION DUE TO DRAINAGE AND SAFETY. >> OKAY.

THAT HAD GARAGE DOOR PUSHED OUT WITH FURNITURE. >> DIFFERENT ONE.

>> THIS WAS A TRIPLEX LOOKED LIKE A 70S SHOW. IN IRMA THE ROOF THE CYCLONE HIT AND THE RUBBER ROOF CAME CROSS ELSE ACROSS HUT OUR HOUSE AND FENCE AND SAT THERE FOR A FEW YEARS WE WERE THRILLED SEE IT CLEANED UP. WHEN THE PERSON CONE TACTED ME WE THOUGHT -- GREAT. WE MADE THE DECISION. THEY HAD ALL OF THIS KNOWLEDGE

AND IT WAS CLEAR. WE NEVER HEARD. >> APPRECIATE THAT.

>> APPRECIATE. >> GOOD ANSWER. >> OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE YES? ANOTHER PERSON WISH TO SPEAK. RICK SHAW.

I WAS HERE FOR THE OTHER TWO LOTS THEY WILL DISCUSS BUT I THOUGHT THIS IS TIME TO WALK IN HERE. I KNOW YOU MADE A COMMENT BEFORE I UNDERSTAND IS FAIR TO SAY THAT -- YOU BEING APPROVING ALL OF THIS REQUEST FOR YEARS NOW. NOW WE HAVE HISTORY.

OF THE OUT COME OF SHORTENED THE FOOTAGE. WHEN RIGHT NOW I MEAN THERE HIS A HUGE ACCIDENT IN FRONT OF SEASIDE. WHERE AMAZON TRUCK TRIED TO MAKE A LEFT AND THE TRUCK WENT IN AND PUSHED HIM INSPECT RIGHT IN OUR PALM TREES AND KNOCKED IT DOWN.

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I GO HOME NORTH OF A1A AND MAKE A LEFT ON SEASIDE THERE ARE CARS FLYING ON THE RIGHT SIDE GOING OVER BIKE PATH THE SAND. JUST NOT STOP SUGGEST.

AND PRESIDENT SPEED LIMIT THERE WAS 50. THEY GO 55-65 MILES PER HOUR.

THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT BY MOVING THE HOMES CLOSER A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE HOMES FOR LANDSCAPING, CONTRACTORS.

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BLOCKING THE ANYWAY FOR PEOPLE TO GO LAW. THAT IS A HUGE RISK FOR ACCIDENTS. THAT IS MY CONCERN WITH THE LOT AND THE OTHER TWO YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING. IT IS THE SAME. I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 24 YEAR. YOU MENTIONED THE ONE OF THE REQUESTS BEFORE WAS TALKING BURGLAR US ONE BUILDING THAT FACILITY AND YOU MENTIONED TRAFFIC.

SAINT JOHNY TRAFFIC INCREASE. A1A GOING FROM MECH LER TO VILLAIN O CONTINUES TO INCREASE.

I DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE. BUT ONE THING WE CAN GUARANTEE A1A MAY HAVE TO BE WIDENED.

SOMETHING HAVE TO HAPPEN TOP ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC WE GET ON RUSH HOUR.

IF YOU SHORT EN THE PATH. WHAT BOTTLE NECK WILL WE BUILD REDUCING ARE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIDE WEB THE ROADS. THAT IS SOMETHING I WANT TOP 3 OUT TO CONSIDER.

BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS WE WILL HAVE THE SAME FOR THE OTHER TWO LOTS YOU WILL VOTE ON.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONEL TO THE SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE WE HAVE COMMENTS. MR. GREEN.

MR. MITCHELL I'M CONFUSED ON WHEN THEY SAID YOU WERE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THIS LOT.

WAS THERE A PERMIT. >> THERE WAS AN OLD ENVIRONMENTAL --

>> THERE WAS A DEP. >> SHOW YOU SITE PLAN APPROVAL. >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I WOULD LIE IF I DO I DON'T RECALL EITHER WAY. IF YOU DID HAVE THE DEP PERMIT.

YES IT IS A THING IN WRITING. YOU HAVE TO SEND THEM THE STUFF THEY SAY JS BLA, BLA, BLA.

UNDERSTAND. THAT'S ALL YOU GOT WAS A DEP PERMIT.

>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT I WOULD BE LYING I HAD EVERYTHING THAT THE REALTOR HAD.

SAID -- THAT PEEKED MY INTEREST AND SAID YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE THE WAY THEY WANT TO BUILD IT.

THERE WAS NO ALL RIGHT FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY SAYING YOU COULDN'T DO IT.

>> ST. JOHN'S COUNTY GIVES A LETTER A COMPLIANCE LETTER YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE.

THAT HAD BEEN DONE SOMEBODY WAS PLANNING ON BUILDING. >> THAT'S ALL.

I WAS CLARIFYING THAT WHAT YOU REFERRED. THANK YOU.

>> I'M NOT. I'M NOT THE -- YOU GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS YOU KNOW WHAT PAPERWORK YOU DO AND DON'T HAVE. IF I MAY. I HAVE BEEN WORKING HERE SINCE 78. IN 1980, THE A1A HAS BEEN AN PUNISH.

IT WILL STAY AN ISSUE UNTIL WE ARE GONE AND THE NEXT PEOPLE ARE HERE.

WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS GET THE SPEED LIMIT LOWIERED TO 35 THERE.

>> THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. >> I'M SERIOUS. 1980 I'M TRYING TO TURN IN A PROPERTY AND TEEN FULL OF KIDS ABOUT REAR ENDED ME WENT IN THE RIGHT AND FLIPPED OVER.

IF YOU SEE THE GREEN LINE IT IS ALIGNMENT WITH THE HOUSES THE ONE TO THE SOUTH HERE.

AND THE ONE TOTE NORTH HERE. NOT BLOCKING ANYBODY'S VIEW. IT IS NOT MAKING IT LESS SAFE.

SAME THING OVER HERE. THEM RIGHT HERE IS 60 FEET WIDE. THE PATH FOR HERE GOES LIKE THIS. CLOSER THROUGH THERE. THERE IS A BIG PILE OF SAND HERE AND HERE. WHICH THAT ARE MIGHT BLOCK SOMEBODY'S VIEW.

AS FAR AS LIKE -- MY CLIENT WOULD PREFER TO GO 25 FEET. AND THE OTHER THING HE WANTEDED DO A TWO STORY NOT A THREE STORY. WHICH HI LIKE.

IF WE GET CUT OFF WE DO A DIG MASS MIFF 3 STORY HOUSE WILL BLOCK MORE PEOPLE'S VIEWS.

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WE HIRE CIVIL ENGINEERS FOR DRA DRAINAGE.

I NEVER HAD A DRAINAGE PROBLEM ON THE LOT I BUILT NEAR THE OCEAN OR DESIGNED.

>> OKAY. LET ME ASK. RECOGNIZE MS. SPIEGEL.

>> DOCTOR I THINK HOLD ON. DOCTOR HILSENBECK. THIS IS LEX.

OVER HERE. WILLINGLY SPEAK PREGNANT THERE ARE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS IN THIS REQUEST THE SETBACK FROM THE FRONT AND THE SIDE SETBACK. I WOULD ASK I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THIS. BUT YOU SAID THIS CLEARLY AND I'M SAYING IT FOR THE AUDIENCE AND FOR YOU,S BECAUSE AS I LOOK UP IS AND DOWN THIS STRETCH OF A1A, IT APPEAR THAT ALL THE HOUSES EVEN THAT WERE BUILT IN 79 ARE 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

AND WHEN I SEE AND LOOK AT THESE UNOPENED PARKETS THAT WOULD GO OUT TO AT THIS TIME BEACH, ALL OF THEM ARE BUILT WITH AN 8 FOOT SETBACK. THERE MAY BE GOOD JUSTIFICATION TO NOT GRANT THIS VARIANCE. BUT POLICE ARTICULATE IT CLEARLY WHY THIS PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION I MAY HAVE TO LEGALLY DEFEND IT LATER ON. WHERE NORMALLY YOU MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF LEEWAY HERE YOU GOT APPEARS THAT ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND THIS GIVEN THE SAME VARIANCES OR WERE BUILT

PRIOR TO NEEDING THEM. >> GOOD ADVICE. I WISH I HAD WISDOM.

ON ALL OF THIS. SO -- I DON'T RECALL MAY BE YOU DO LEX OR JACOB.

THOSE GRANTED WAY DON'T REMEMBER BULK HEADS BEING PART OF THOSE. WITH THAT BULK HEAD IN THAT LESSENS A HARDSHIP POSSIBILITY. AGAIN, WE VOTED SO MANY OF THESE IN I JUST THERE IS A PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN SET. BY THIS BOARD. I WAS AGAINST IT AT FIRST.

FIVE AND SIX YEARS AGO I GOT TRAMPLED I STARTED VOTING FOR THEM TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

THAT'S00 IT'S OKAY. MS. SPIEGEL AND WILL MR. MATOVINA AND MR. LABANOWSKI.

>> I WANT TO THROW SOMETHING I TONIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SETBACK.

UNOPEN RIGHT-OF-WAY. WHO WOULD YOU AT ALL SINCE YOU STATED ON THE RECORD THAT YOUR OWNER IS FINE WITH THE 20 SETBACK IN THE FRONT. YOU KNOW THAT YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT WIGGLE ROOM TO HAVE HOUSE BIGGER AND CLOSER TO THE ROAD.

WOULD YOU CONSIDER A MOTION THAT WOULD MAKE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK 20 INSTEAD OF 25?

GIVE YOU HAVE A BIT OF THAT YOU WANT AND THE FULL SIDE YARD. >> HERE IS THE PROBLEM.

WE ARE DEALING WITH COUNTY. HERE. DEP IS STATE.

AND THEY HAVE PRECEDENCE OVER THE COUNTIES. IF THE DEP COME BACK AND GOES NO OFF WITH YOUR HEAD YOU HAVE YOU TO BUILD IT AT 15 I CAN'T TELL ACTUAL MY CLIENT WANTS TO BUILD AT 25. NOW IF HE BUILDS AT 15 IT IS 32 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PAVE AM TO HIS HOUSE. HE WOULD LIKE IT TO42 FEET. BUT WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF DEP

AND PRESIDENT PEOPLE DEALT WITH THEM THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MIND. >> TELL ME THE RATIONAL IS FOR

DEP KNOWING THERE SUGGEST EYE BULK HEAD THAT CHANGES THINGS. >> YOUR LOT IS MORE SECURE.

THE NECESSITY TO MOVE THE PROPERTY LAND WARD TO ME IS IT IS NOT AS CLEAR.

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I DON'T KNOW. MR. TAYLOR. >> SAY YOU CAME BACK HERE THIS IS THE 25 FOOT LINE HERE. IF I PUT THE 25, THIS IS THE 15. SORRY.

THIS IS THE 15. AND THAT'S THE 25. ANDID AGREE WITH YOU.

A BULK HEAD THERE. EVERYBODY KNOW IT IS TO GET ONE, TAKES AN ACT OF GODLIKE IRMA.

I DON'T YOU KNOW I'D SAY DO IT 20. WE WILL BE BACK HERE TALKING AGAIN IF THE KEP SAYS NO EVERYBODY DONE IT 15 AND YOU GOTTA DO IT 15.

>> I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN WE KEEP THE PROGNOSTICATE THEY ISSUED CHANGES THE ISSUE.

>> I WOULD AGREE THAT'S LOGICAL THEY ARE NOT LOGICAL. GENTLEMEN UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT HERE TO DECIDE FOR DEP JUST OURSELVES. I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT IF THAT IS NOT HAD ACCEPTABLE I WILL NOT MAKE THAT NOTION. WE WILL BE GLAD TO PUT IT AT 25.

>> NO AUDIENCE TALKING. OKAY. SO.

MAY BE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONGST. PUT 20 I'M COOL.

WE ARE GOING FOR 25 WHEN WE GO TO DEP. MRS. MATOVINA.

SO, WILLING DESCRIPTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE SOUTH ONE HALF OF BLOCK 82 THAT APPEARS TO BE LOT 3, 4, 6, 8 AND 10. OF THAT PLAT OF THAT LOT CIRCLED IN YELLOW ON OUR DRAWING AND THEN IT INCLUDES ONE HALF OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF PALMETTO STREET. I DON'T SEE HOW THIS SITE PLAN DIMENSION WISE MATCHES WHAT IS SHOWN THAT MRAS. LOTS 6, 8 AND 10 ARE DEEPER LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAN SOUTHBOUND REW OF 4U ADD IN PALMETTO. I ASSUMED WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING LOTS 3 AND 4 THEY ARE CALLED OUT ON HERE. IT IT IS NOT LOOK LIKE LOT 4 ENDS IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE DIMENSION WORKS TO ME. THIS WAS DONE BY BOATWRIGHT SURVEYORS YOU ARE SEEING THE OLD LOTS THAT IS THE OLD SWAMP LAND IN FLORIDA STUFF.

THAT THOSE THAT IS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAT. WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS CURRENT WITH THE COUNTY RECORD. DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT IS DRAWN TO SCALE.

LOOKS BETWEEN THE WESTERN DOWNED REW OF LOTS 3 AND 4 AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF A1A IS 2 SHALLOW. THAT DOES NOT LOOK CORRECT. WEAPON DON'T HAVE DIMENSIONS HERE IT IS DIFFICULT TO READ WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON HERE ANYWAY.

>> IT IS TO SCALE IT WAS DRAWN BY A STATE SURVEYOR AND HE PUT HIS SEAL ON IT.

MR. PRESIDENT LABANOWSKI. HOW FAR BACK IS SEA WALL THEY PUT IN PRESIDENT BULK HEAD FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE? IT IS BACK THERE. I'M LOOKING -- AT THE CURRENT COUNTY MAP. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT WALL HAS BEEN PUT IN.

THERE IS A GRASS LINE THAT RUNS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT LOT. AND FROM THE STREET, TO THAT

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GRASS LINE, I ASSUME WOULD BE THE BULK HEAD. >> IT IS A GOOD.

>> 105 FEET. >> YEA. IT RUNS FROM HERE.

TO HERE. >> I WOULD SAY IT IS A GOOD 75-80 FEET.

IT IS HARD TO SEE WHERE THAT BULK HEAD WAS PUT IN. IT IS -- RIGHT -- THAT -- DASHED LINE YOU SEE THERE. ALL THE WAY TO HERE AND BACK DOWN TO THAT.

I'M GUESSING MAY BE 70 FEET. MR. SMITH? I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME THING.

YEA. I GO A BIT FURTHER. ABOUT 80-90 FEET.

I'M ESTIMATING. IT IS AROUND THERE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO SAY IT IS THE ITEM IS CONFUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD WHEN I READ IT. SO -- THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEXT TWO ITEMS WE HAVE COMING UP WHICH WE SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT THOSE I'M.

LET ME ASK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON A1A. MR. DESAUZA TELL US WHAT THE CAPACITY OF A1A AND COASTAL HIGHWAY IS THERE. ARE THERE ANY POSSIBLE PLANS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THERE? ROAD IMPROVEMENTS?

>> SO, THIS SECTION IS OPERATING AT 70%. AND IF YOU ADD IN VERY SMALL AMOUNTS OF MOSTLY FROM THE PLATTED LOTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT OUT YOU GO TO 72%.

NOT MOVING NEEDLE. THERE IS CAPACITY FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON THERE.

IS THE STATE CONTROLS FACILITY. THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS FOR IMPROVEMENTS I'M AWARE OF OTHER THAN A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR NONVEHICULAR ACCESS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE ROAD.

A MULTIUSE PATH. THAT IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT IN THE WORKS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WE ARE SLOWLY SEEING CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS RELEASES THAT IS THE ONLY IMPROVE AM.

SAFETY IMPROVE AM WISE INCLUSION OF NEW HAWKS. THAT IS THE PUSH BUTTON OVER HEAD SIGNAL. THERE ARE A NUMBER IN THIS STRETCH AND SO IF PUARE NOT FAMILIAR YOU PRESS THE BUTTON. LIGHT FRASHS. TURNS RED EVERYTHING STOPPED THE PEDESTRIAN GOES. TRAFFIC CONTINUES ON UPON THANK YOU, NICE ANSWER.

APPRECIATE IT. WELL, WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION.

MRS. SPIEGEL. WELL, I WILL TRY. I DON'T KNOW, MR. TAYLOR.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE . DON'T -- I HAVE AN ISSUE ONLY BECAUSE GRANTS THERING VARIANCE I DON'T SEE THIS IS THE SAME HARDSHIP ON OTHER PROPERTIES ON A1A I'M PREPARED MAKE A MOTION THAT ALLOWS A PORTION OF THE REQUEST. BUT NOT THE FULL REQUEST.

AND I THINK THAT IS IN OUR CODE THAT IS OUR JOB, RIGHT? IS THAT --

>> YES. I THINK REASON YOU THINK THIS PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT IS BECAUSE OF THE BULKED HAD. I ASK YOU TO ADD THAT TO THE RECORD IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE

ARTICULATING >> THE FACT THERE IS ABEXISTENCE OF BULK HEAD PROVIDES MORE USABLE LANDOM A BEACH LOT THAN PREDICTABLELY USABLE.

THEN IN MY OPINION, THE GRANTING OF THE FULL VARIANCE IS NOT IN LINE HERE.

BUT I AM PREPARED MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE COASTAL HIGHWAY WITH BASED ON FINDINGS

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EIGHT FEET IN LIEU OF THE 20. >> SO. THAT'S --

>> SPLIT THE BABY. I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL GET A SECOND THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH THIS. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND.

>> SEEING NONE THE MOTION HAS DIED. WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? ANYONE LIKE TO? MR. GREEN? I WILL TRY ONE.

SEE WHERE IT GOES. GET BACK TO -- THE MOTION FAILED FOR -- LACK OF A SECOND.

I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION IN AS PRESENTED DUE TO WE GRANT THIRD DEGREE MANY TIMES BEFORE FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD BEING THAT IT IS A ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. HOWEVER, SO BASICALLY TWO FRONT YARD SET UP. MOTION APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE AT 3930 COASTAL HIGHWAY 6

FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTIONING AND SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE WE WOULD LIKE TO

VOTE SCREEN CAN BE PUT UP. THANK YOU. >> PASSES 3-2.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. WE PROMISE WE WILL BE GREAT

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WHITEHOUSE THIS AFTERNOON. >> MR. GREEN? >> HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR.

WHITE HOUSE THIS AFTERNOON. >> MR. LABANOWSKI. >> QUICK CONVERSATION.

I VISITED THE SITE AND FIVE E MAILS PROVIDED BY STAFF. >> MR. MATOVINA.

>> MR. WHITEHOUSE HAS BEGIN UP ON ME HE DID NOT CALL ME. I FEEL THE SAME WAY.

>> GOING TO ASK IF THE CHAIRMAN WOULD TAKE FIVE AND SICK TOGETHER IF THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER THAT. GI WILL (THEM TOGETHER. LEXIE WILL TELL YOU IF THEY

DIFFER YOU DO SEPARATE BUT I WILL PRESENT TOGETHER. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME.

>> OKAY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON JAMES WHITEHOUSE ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP IN FLORIDA.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF HISTORY APPLICATION ZONING VARIANCE WE INITIAL LOW APPLIED TOGETHER THINS THEY ARE TWO PROPERTIES THEY HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY NOW HAVE YOU TWO APPLICATIONS WITHIN YOUR PACKET. THEM IS TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AN RG2 ZONING BE DISTRICT.

AND AS YOU HEARD, THIS AREA HAS 15 FOOT SETBACKS AND COMPATIBLE BASED ON THE SOCIETY BACK.

I WILL GO THROUGH IT TEMPERATURE THIS IS REQUEST FOR ZONING VAINS 601 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOW A FRONT YARD SETBACK A 15 IN THROUGH OF 25 TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOS THE HALF 80 ARE LOTS WHICH ARE LARGE ARE THAN MOST OF THE LOTS. WITHIN THIS RESIDENTIAL LAND USE AREA THE OWNER WISHES TO BUILD ONLY ONE 21 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, REQUIRED TO MOVE THE 25 FOOT WIDE HOMES WESTWARD WHICH REQUIRES ENCOURAGING THE FRONT SETBACK.

THIS IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH WHERE THE OLD CERT NATA BEACH CLUB USED TO BE.

YOU SEE IT ON THE MAP YOU SEE WHERE THE AIRPORTS AND THE BRIDGE IS TO THE SOUTH.

IT IS OUT LINED A BIT UP THERE. IT IS IN THE GREEN. YOU SEE IT.

AGAIN, AS I STATED WITHIN YOUR REPORTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

LOCATED WITHIN RG TW. INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE TWO THEY ARE MUCH NARROWER THAN THE

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AGAIN, WE ARE IN RG2 ALL YOU KNOW RG2,ALLOWS A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT USES.

ALLOWS DUPLEXES AND MULTIFAMILY. WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS SPLIT THE OWNER DECIDEDD THAT THEY WANTED DO TWO SINGLE FAMILIES. ALTHOUGH REALLY THEY COULD BE ALLOWED HAVE DONE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS BECAUSE OF THE HUGE WIDTH FROM NORTH TO SOUTH OF THE PROPERTIES THEY WANT TO DO TWO AND REALLY BECAUSE AS YOU SEE WHERE THE HOUSES ARE LOCATED ALONG HERE, UP CLOSE TO THE ROAD AND THE VARIANCES WE GRANTED OR POINTED ON OUT EARLIER, THESE WERE BUILT PRIOR TO THE REQUIREMENT. I SHOW YOU IN A BIT ABOUT THAT 15 FOOT OR LESS YOU SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT I COUPLE ARE AT 11 OR 12 FOOT. YOU SEE IT IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH. YOU SEE THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN MEASURED AND THEY ARE AT 15 FOOT. BOTH POT NORTH. AND YOU SEE IT IS SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH. HERE YOU SEE NAALL OF THOSE ARE LABELD AND THEY ARE AT 15 FEET OR LESS. EVERYONE ALONG THERE. THESE TELL BE PRAYED THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD AT THE 15 FEET. REALLY A LOT OF THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT OF THE LOCATION OF THE CCCL. YOU KNOW IS CALLED THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE. EVERYTHING TO THE EAST OF THE COASTAL CONTROL LINE IN DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST IS REGULATED. THE STATE HAS BEEN TELLING US THEY WANT THEM LIKE THE OTHERS YOU HEAR THIS ALL TIME. THEY WANT US TO PUSH IT AS FAR AS WE KITCHEN TO THE WEST BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JURISDICTION.

THEY GET TO SAY THAT. THESE ARE ONLY 25 FOOT WIDE HOUSES IT IS THIN FOR A HOUSE THAT IS TWO ROOMS. OM THESE LOTS WE ARE PUSHING THEM TO THE WEST.

THERE IS NO BULK HEAD ON THESE AT ALL. THEY LIKE TO PUT SOMEA00 BUT THEY NEAR TALKINGS TO SEE WHEN WE CAN GET. BUT THE WAY THE DEP REGULATIONS WORK YOU FILL THE GAP BUT NOT BUILD NEW ONES, WHY THAT IS THAT IS THE REGULATION.

ANY CASE, UM YOU SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THEY SHOW YOU WHERE THE CONTROL CCCL IS.

TO THE EAST OF THE WEST WHERE WE BUILD. IN FACT, IT IS EVEN WEST OF WHERE WE ASKING TO GO SO DEP HAS FULL REGULATION OVER ALL DEVELOPMENT OF THE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. VARIANCES ARE DEFINED IN CODE. WE GO THROUGH REQUIREMENTS.

AS FAR AS THE VARIANCE WILL NOT BE CONTRARY THIS IS BASODE THE TOP GRAPHIC CONDITIONS AND NARROWNESS CLAUSE. LOTS AND THE ADD REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS GIVEN THE ESTABLISH AM. CCCL TO THE WEST OF THE LEGALLY PLOTTED RESIDENTIAL CRG2 LOTSES. DUE THIS THE CONDITIONS WITH THE LOTS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH THEY REQUIRE MINOR RELIEF FROM THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 25 OR 20 FEET.

I SAY 25 OR 20, RG2 IF YOU DO MULTIFAMILY YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK.

IN THIS CASE THEY ARE PUSHING US TO PUSH THEM FAR WEST. THIS IS ZONING VARIANCE TO THE FRONT YARD EQUAL TO THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENTIALLY DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

ALLOWED UNDER OUR CODE AND COMP PLAN NO IMPACT ON THE PROPERTIES.

BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY. IT DOES NOT HAVE AN IMPACT AND NOT CONTRARY TO THE INTERESTS.

IT IS REASON OF EXCEPTIONAL TOP GRAPHIC CONTINUES WHY THEY NEED THIS VARIANCE.

TYPESET BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS AND THE LOCATION OF THE CCCL, WHICH FORCES US TO PUSH THE HOUSE AS FAR AS WE CAN DOT WEST. SITE CONDITIONS REQUIRE THE MOVEMENT IS THE REASON AND NO OTHER REASON. NUMBER 3 THE ENFORCEMENT CAUSE HARDSHIP TO CARRY OUT THE CODE THE OWNERS OF THE HALF 80 ARE PARCELS REQUEST THE COAST LINE VARIANCE TO THE FRONT YARD SET BECOME DUE TO NARROWNESS THE TWO PARCEL THAT CAUSES THIS.

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NO OPEN COMMENTS. NO E MAILS OR CALLS. PROVIDE A MOTION TO APPROVE IN YOUR PACKET FOR BOTH VARIANCE, THE MRKSZ AND THE ANALYSIS MAKE IT CLEAR THEORY REQUEST IS BASED ON THE EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS THE NARROW LOTS AND THE LOCATION OF THE CCCL IN THE AREA.

AND REASONABLE AND COMPATIBLE FOR THIS REQUEST TO BE APPROVED. WE ASK FOR THAT REVIEW AND FOR THE APPROVAL, THANK YOU. SKWOO THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

I SEE MR. MATOVINA? WHO HIS THE PERKING PERSON. THIS MAY BE FOR STAFF.

JAMES? USE MAP THEREUPON IS A WHITE D - SPACE BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE LOT AND WHAT IS SHOWN AS THE WATER. WHAT IS THAT? THESE ARE MORE NARROW THEY WERE PLATTED NARROW AND -- WIDE. AND THIS WAS THIS WAS ACTUALLY 3 DIFFERENT LOTS WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT ON THE PROPERTY APRAISER'S SITE WE MADE IT TO TWO.

AND -- LIKE I SAID, THEY COULD HAVE DONE 5RG2 IT IS 75 FOOT WIDE THEY WANTED TO DECREASE DENSITY TO KEEP THE VISIBILITY AND VIEWS OF THE OCEAN, IT IS NICE TO SEE THE ORGANIZATION WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSE. THEY WANT VICTIM LARGE SETBACKS THIS IS GOING BEYOND.

LOOK AT THE PLANS IN YOU SHOULDING PACKETS 2520 WHEN IT HAS TO BE 8.

REASON IT IS WHITE THAT WAS UNPLATTED AREA AND DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING. THEY INCLUDED THE LOTS. MR. PRESIDENT LABANOWSKI.

QUICK, BEACH RENOURISHMENT EASEMENT OUTSIDE THOSE LOTS OR WITHIN THEM? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. IS THERE BEACH RENEUROMENT EASEMENT IN THAT AREA ON LOTS?

>> I THINK IT RUNS UP IS DOWN HERE. YOU KNOW PRITHINK PEOPLE HAVE BEGIN THOSE A LOT ARE THE PETROL AND DEP WANT PERPETUAL. WHETHER OR NOT THESE HAVE GRANTD THAT I'M SURE THEY HAVE BUT DON'T KNOW FOR SURE AND IF THEY NEED TO THEY WOULD.

WOULD LIKE THAT. SURE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD

MEMBERS. >> ANYONE HERE FROM THE AUDIENCE.

COME AFFORD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LET US HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> I'M DAVE ED CHESTER 2480 BRIGHTON COURT.

I'M CONFUSED THE LETTER I GOT IN THE MAIL SAYS ON EACH OF THE TWO LOTS THEY WOULD BUILD A FAMILY HOME A GUEST HOME AND A POOL. AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN JUST A SMALL SINGLE FAMILY HOME I JUST HEARD ABOUT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PRESIDENT TRAFFIC ISSUE AND PARKING WISH.

ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS A GUEST HOME THAT TENDS TO TURN INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS.

TRAFFIC IN THE AREA AT THE ENTRANCE EVER SEASIDE VISTA WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T WAIT.

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PEOPLE COME PAST WHEN THEY GET A BIT OF A TRAIT WAY BEFORE THEY HIT THE CURVE THEY FLAR BOARD IT PULL OUT AND PASS ON A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE. THERE ARE MINIMAL IF ANY TURN LANE IN THAT SECTION OF A1A. WITH AMAZON AND HOME DELIVERY FROM WHERE YOU THINK OF -- IT IS CREATING A DIFFERENT TRAFFIC ENVIRONMENT IN MY VIEW BECAUSE AMAZON IS CONSTANT 3 TOP STOPPING ON A1A. AND -- THE ROAD IS NOT THAT WIDE YET.

BIKE LANES THERE. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TURN IN LANES FOR SEASIDE VIV OR EDEN BAY OR BEACH WALK. IT MAKE ITS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM IN MY VIEW.

FIARE PUSHING THINGS FORWARD, MY QUESTION IS, WHERE DOES THE OVER FLOW PARKING GO IN IN SITUATIONS LOOIC THAT. UPON AND WHEN YOU GOT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN HOME DELIVERY TRUCKS IN THIS AGE OF AMAZON AND WHAT NOT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ARE THE PROBLEMS ARE INCREASING IN EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE BEEN APPROVING THEM IN THE PAST WE DID NOT HAVE THAT DINAP BEING IN THE PAST. I THINK THAT NEEDS CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD POINT. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? COME FORWARD. HELLO.

I'M FRANCIS LIVE AT 111 SEASIDE VISTA COURT I'M A MARINE BIOLOGIST WITH PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN COASTAL ECOSYSTEMS. WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY IS NOT JUST TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THE SPECIFIC DETAILS ARE A PRIMARY HOME, POOL AND A GUEST HOME. FAR DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS EXPLAINED EARLY EARLY.

SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT CONCERN. AS PEOPLE MENTIONED PRIOR THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY UPON THIS STATUTE ENTRANCE IT SEASIDE VISTA COURT.

WEEP HAVE MORE THAN 25 FEET OF CLEARANCE FROM THE ROADWAY. WE HAVE FOOT PATH AND THIS TRUCK TOOK DOWN A 30 FOOT PALM TREE AND CRASHED IN A SECOND ONE. CAUSING A RECK.

THERE WERE BIKE LANES ON ANOTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY STRETCH OF A1 A.

YOU ARE SEEING A LOSS OF CONTROL NOT AN ACCIDENT OR RISK THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENED OCTOBER 24, 2025. WHAT MAKES THIS IS MORE IMPACTFUL, IS THAT SEASIDE VISTA COURT IS A TWO YEAR OLD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE 28 HOUSES THERE.

FIVE BOTTOMS EACH. A 2R YEAR OLD DEVELOP THAT HAS INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THIS STRETCH OF A1A. NOW BY BUILDING A HOUSE THAT IS 40% CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY THAN THE CODE ALLOWS, WHICH IS 25 FOOT VERSUS 15 YOU HAVE APPROVED THEM IN THE PAST.

THIS SHOULD BE VIEWED AS A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE. THERE IS A NEW EQUIPMENT BEHIND IT. THIS IS OUR FRONT YARD OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

OIR FRONT YARD OUR ENTRANCE. SO THE PLANT SETBACK IS A SAFETY BUFFER YOU SEE WHY IT IS NECESSARY. NOW IF THE HOUSE HIS THERE THIS TRUCK WOULD BE THROUGH THEIR HOME AND INTO OCEAN. ADDITIONALLY I LIKE TO SHOW THAT -- BECAUSE THIS IS SEASIDE VIV A. THIS IS OUR DRIVEWAY. THAT IS THE PROPERTY THERE. THERE WILL BE NO ROOM FOR

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BIKE LANES. ON BOTH SIDES. I HAVE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN WE WALK ACROSS THE STREET HOW WILL WE DODGE TRAFFIC AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS -- HAS BEEN UNDER GONE DUNE REPLENISH AM IN 2024. OF YOU ARE 20 MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE TO PUBLICS IT IS TWO MILES. TRAFFIC WHATEVER THEY SAY YOU KNOW -- IT IS FULL. NO MATTER WHAT. AND THEY ARE ADDING DOWN THE ROADS FURTHER SOUTH. IT TELL BE FOR -- MODULAR HOME OR THAT IS PROPOSED.

MORE TRAFFIC A1A THAN FOUR YEARERS AGO. I UNDERSTANDS THERE HEAR SETBACKS WE WERE TOLD I LIKE TO SEE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE A POOL AND A GUEST HOUSE THAT WAS NOT SHOWN I THINK THEY ARE BING BRINGING THE HOUSE FORWARD TO PUT A POOL IN.

PUTTING A POOL IN. WHEN SOMEBODY PULL IN YOUR DRIVEWAY YOU ARE ALMOST ON A1A.

ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? OOECHL THE LOT ON COASTAL HIGHWAY ACROSS FROM THE PLOTTED FUTURE HOMES. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS A HOUSE, GUEST HOUSE AND POOL BOTH SIDES. I OPPOSE THE SPECIAL VARIANCE REQUEST.

WE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE PARKING ON MY YARD. I HAD A CAR REVERSE AND HIT MY MAILBOX. THIS IS A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED MAIN ARTERY.

I KNOW IT IS 50 MILES PER HOUR. PEOPLE GO 55-60. FOR A HOUSE TO BE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL AMENDMENT WOULD BE RECKLESS. DANGEROUS.

THERE ARE 28 HOUSES OVER 120 AND MOST OF THEM HAVE KIDS. AND ME LIVING ON COASTAL HIGHWAY I SEE BRUNT. I'M THE LOT OFF OF THE 27 HOUSES ON SEASIDE.

I FACE THE BEACH AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING. THERE IS BARELY ROOM.

I ALMOST HAVE BEEN REAR ENDED MULTIPLE TIMES THE HOUSE SOUTH OF ME THAT IS BUILT, THEIR CONSTRUCTION CREW PARKED TRUCKOS MY LOT. REVERSE IN MY DRIVEWAY THINKING I WAS OUT YOU HAVE TOWN THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THEY BEGGED FOR FORGIVENESS.

THE REALITY IS THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK. THIS VARIANCE IS AN ABSOLUTE RECKLESS YOU APPROVED IT IN ADMIT PAST SEASIDE VISTA WAS NOT THERE.

IT IS A RECENT DEVELOPMENT 28 HOMES THAT HIGHWAY IF YOU ARE SITTING THERE YOU WOULD NEVER

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APPROVE THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. I'M MAGGIE THOMPSON 160 SEASIDE VISTA COURT. I'M CONFUSED ABOUT ONE THING. THE PRESENTER IS PRESENTING IT AS THOUGH THERE ARE ALREADY PLANS TO BUILD THE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THE LOT IS UP FOR AUCTION ON APRIL NINTH IF SOLD HOW CAN THEY PRESENT IT WITH PLANS TO BUILD, THEY CAN'T BUILD

IN LES THAN A MONT. THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU ASK YOU SOMETHING.

LOTS ARE UP FOR AUCTION OR ONE OF THEM IS THIS WHAT IS ADVERTISED ON TELEVISION NOW.

DO YOU KNOW THAT? >> IEL I GOT THE LISTING PULLED UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK.

>> I SEEN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS TELEVISION ADD FOR TWO LUXURY LOTS.

I WONDERED WHAT THEY WERE MY WIFE WAS ASKING I SAID I'M NOT SURE I HAVE THE LISTING PULLED UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT I'M GLAD TO SHARE MY PHONE. PUT IT UP YOU HAD MORE TIME IN YOUR COMMENT PERIOD. GO AHEAD. THAT'S THE ONE LOT.

THIS IS SEASIDE VISTA COURT HERE. >> OKAY.

SURE LOOKS LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING. OKAY. INTERESTING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

IF THERE IS NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE.

MR. WHITEHOUSE. REBUTEL. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I UNDERSTAND THE LOTS HAVE BEEN OPEN FOR YEARS.

I UNDERSTAND THE FASHGD APPROVED AFTER THE LOTS WERE PLATTED YEARS AGO.

AND THOSE HOUSES ONE SPEAKER STATED BUILD TWO YEARS AGO OR SO.

AND THERE IS A VIEW STRAIGHT TO THE OCEAN. THE FACT IS THESE ARE LEGALLY AS YOUR STAFF REPORTS LEGALLY PLATTED LOTS. THEY ARE RG2 LOTS THEY HAVE ONLY NEED TO HAVE A 75 FOOT WIDTH WE COULD DO 4-5 LOTS HERE. THE REASON WHY I THINK YOU HEAR COMMENTARY SAYING THIS IS THINK IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE FEEL YOU ARE APPROVING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WITH A POOL AND GUEST HOUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME YOU APPROVE THE SETBACK TO THE ROAD. NOTHING TO DO WHETHER THEY HAVE A POOL, AS YOU SEE YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKETS IT IS THE IN MIDDLE BETWEEN THE GUEST HOUSE.

WE DON'T NEED A VARIANCE TO PUT THE POOL. IT IS NOT ASKED TOCLOSER TO THE ROAD. NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO, THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE TWO STRUCTURES BECAUSE OF THE FACT I TOLD YOU, THE LOCATION OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE REGULATED BY THE STATE AND SO WE ARE FORCED PUSH THE STRUCTURES FURTHER TO THE WEST.

THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR IT IS IS THE LOTS THE LOCATION OF THE CCCL.

AND THE -- AS I SAID THE -- EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES ON THE LOTS WHY WE ASK FOR THIS.

THE OWNER HAS REDUCED THE DENSITY. THEM IS A BENEFIT TO THE AREA NOT A DETRIMENT. IF WE COULD PUT 4 OR 5 THERE WOULD BE 4 OR 5 DRIVEWAY WAS WHICH THE DOT WOULD HAVE TO GRANT ACCESS. ACCESS TO THE ROAD SYSTEM REGULATED BY THE FDO T THEY DON'T ALLOW BACK OUT DRIVEWAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE T LAYOUT OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY OR THEY WILL NOT APPROVE IT.

YOU SEE ON THE PLANS HOW MUCH SPACE THEY AS WELL BEGIN FOR PARKING AND TURNING AROUND OAT LOTS THEMSELVES. AND REALLY WE ARE HEAR FOR THE VARIANCE.

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IT IS IDENTICAL TO THE LOTS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH >> I UNDERSTAND THE FACT THEY HAVE A NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE STREET AND RATHER NOT HAVE DEVELOP WOMAN HERE.

FACT IS WE ARE REGULATED BY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS BEYOND THE COUNTY AND THOSE ARE -- THE CCCL AND WANT BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS TO PUSH THE HOUSES.

THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE APPROVED MANY IN THE PAST THAT STATUTE BASIS.

NOT SOMETHING THEY ARE TRYING TO FORCE ON THE COUNT EMFOR A LARGER HIGHWAYS OR FOR SOME CONDITION THEY CREATED. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU. MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON SPEAKERS STATED THE AUCTION. THAT IS COMING UP IN APRIL. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.

WHY IS IT ADVERTISED TO BE ON THE ACTION BLOCK. >> I DON'T KNOW YOU CAN ASK YOUR ATTORNEY HAS NOTHING TO DO WHETHER THE FACT A VARIANCE AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF VARIANCE ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS LOT. THE REQUIREMENT IS THE SITE PLAN YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU AND WHETHER THAT QUALIFIES FOR A VARIANCE. WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY SELLS THE LOT IN THE FUTURE AND IS THING THE HOUSES WHO WOULD BY IT IF THAT IS THE CASE, THE FACT IS THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THAT VARIANCE WHICH HELL BE GRANTED CAN WHICH THAT SITE PLAN SET FORWARD DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER I OWN IT OR DOCTOR HILSENBECK OWN ITS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SEE WHETHER THE FACTS REQUIRE THE PASSING OF THE VARIANCE.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW. >> NO, SIR. I WOULD JUST THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LOT IS NOT MATERIAL TO THIS DISCUSSION. AND I WOULD HESITATE TO FURTHER

GO INTO THAT IT WILL DILUTE THE DECISION YOU MAKE ON THE ITEM? >> MS. SPIEGEL.

IF WE PASS AND THE LOTS SELL AND SOMEONE DIVIDES THEM THEY GOTTA START OVER OR BUILD IN THE

PARAMETERS. >> OKAY. JUST FROM WHAT00 ANOTHER SO CAN CAN I TALK TO THE OTHER AGENCY MEMBER. DO YOU THINK THAT THE REASON THAT SO MANY OF VARIANCES FOR REDUCE SETBACK HAVE BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE OF THE DEP? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK? I KNOW WE DECIDE FIRST AND THE DEP PUTS THEIR STAMP IS THAT

YOUR IMPRESSION. IT HAS BEEN A FACTOR. >> THEY WANT THEM PUSHED AWAY.

>> IT HAS BEEN A FACTOR. >> YOU THINK SO, TOO. >> THAT HELPS ME THAT IS A

PIECE OF INFORMATION I DID NOT HAVE IN MY BRAIN >> TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS

OVER. I'M SORRY YOU CAN'T. >> SORRY

>> WE HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. >> WE ARE HEAR ABOUT A VARIANCE FOR SETBACK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HEAR FOR TODAY. SO.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IS THAT OKAY. >> YEP.

OR TWO MOTIONS WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. >> MR. MAT MATOVINA AND MR. GREEN. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE 202601 COASTAL HIGHWAY 6 FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONDITIONS AS PROVIDE IN THE THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. MR. MATOVINA? >> OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> MR. GREEN. >> OKAY.

COMMENT BY MR. MATOVINA. I DEALT WITH THIS COASTAL CONTROL LINE I DEALT WITH THIS IN THE 80S. AND -- ON A LOT LIKE THIS IN TERMS OF FLOODING THEY WILL MOST LIKELY THE HOUSE WILL BE ON STATES THEY WILL DRIVE THEM DOWN IN THE GROUND AND THE FINISHED FLOOR WILL BE UP PROBABLY OFF GROUND IN THIS CASE I GET 12 FEET OFF GROUND.

AND THE AREA BELOW CANNOT BE LIVING AREA YOU CAN'T HAVE A BEDROOM AND THE WALLS TR V TO BREAK AWAY THE FLOODING THAT OCCURS HERE DOES NOT OCCUR BECAUSE THERE IS RAIN AND RAINWATER IT OCCURS BECAUSE THERE IS A STORM THAT COME IN OFF THE OCEAN AND SO THEY DON'T WANT THE STRUCTURE TO IMPEDE AND CAUSE CHANGES TO THAT AND THE WALLS ARE BREAK AWAY.

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>> GREAT. THANK YOU IT IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THE PERMITS WITH THE DEP

GOING BACK TO THE 80S. >> HELPFUL, THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND?

>> I'M GOING TO SAY OF THAT I SYMPATHIZE WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVE OFF A1A.

I DRIVE IT REGULARY. AND THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. AND I THINK IT IT IS A DANGEROUS ROAD. WE DON'T HAVE A SILVER BULLET THIS WILL IS A PROBLEM BUILDING UP FOR MANY YEARERS. AND IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF ANYONE ON THIS BOARD.

GOOD POINTS WERE BROUGHT UP. NEW DELIVERY TRUCKS OUT THERE. THEY ARE AT MY HOUSE ALL THE TIME. AND -- NEW NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THAT.

BUT I OAF00 AGREE THAT THAT -- TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE MIKELER ROAD IS A LOT.

AND THE TRAFFIC THE ROAD MAY NOT BE OVER CAPACITY BUFF PEOPLE ARE GOING 60 AND 70 MILES PER HOUR.

BUT WE CAN'T FIX THAT. AND -- WHY APPROVE IT. WE DON'T NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT COMMENT. FROM THE AUDIENCE. I AM NOT GOING TO MAY BE OUR ATTORNEY CAN ADDRESS THAT. THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE AUD AUDIENCE. WITH DEP AND THEY ARE ONES THAT ARE REALLY RUNNING THE SHOW HERE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WITH THE COAST CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE, ITS THERE IS A LOT OF PRECEDENT FOR THIS.

I'M NOT SAYING MORE. I THINK ARE WE READY TO VOTE? LET'S GET THE VOTING BOARD UP.

PASSES ONE PERSON AS NOT VOTED. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO.

THANK YOU, SECOND MOTION. CAN I DO THE SECOND MOTION. ITEM 6.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE 2026-0 TWOE COASTAL HIGHWAY 6 FACT AND 6 CONDITIONS IN THE

STAFF REPORT. A MOTION? >> SECOND.

>> AND A SECOND BY MR. MATOVINA. MR. LABANOWSKI, YOU HAVE A

COMMENT? SORRY >> REAL QUICK.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE PERPETUAL EASEMENTS IF POSSIBLE. >> OKAY THAT SAID.

MR. SPIEGEL? AND JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT FOR THE RECORD, I APPRECIATE PUBLIC COMMENT IT IS IMPORTANT TO COME OUT HERE AND I LEARNED THING TODAY AND PERHAPS YOU DID, TOO.

THIS IS TO ME A DIFFERENT APPLICATION THAN THE PREVIOUS. I DON'T WANT TO SEEM LIKE I'M

INCONSISTENT IN VOTING THANK YOU. >> WE HAD 3 MEMBERS VOTE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

WE CAN TAKE A BREAK. BEFORE WE MOVE TO ITEM 7 WE WILL TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

THOSE OF US UP EYE SHORT LIVED KWOM PONENT OF BILLBOARD HISTORY.

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10 YEARS AGO OR SO. IS THEY HAD A -- A -- MOMENTARY MORATORIUM ON BILLBOARD IN 2009.

IT IS NEXT IS A SUMMARY WHAT ST. JOHN'S LAND CODE PROVIDES ARE FOR BILLBOARDS AND SIMPLY STATED, IT IS NOT A PROHIBITION BUT IT IS RESTRICTIVE. BASICALLY THE CURRENT STANDARD DOES NOT ALLOW FOR NEW BILLBOARDS UNLESS YOU ARE TRADE NOTHING OLD BILLBOARDS.

GOT A SWAP DOWN IS THE TERM USED. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING THE SWAP DOWN OR TRADE IN REQUIRES SOMEONE TO REMOVE -- FIVE OLD NONCONFORMING BILLBOARDS TO GET AID REPLACE AM BILLBOARD. I THINK SOME OF IMPORTANT CONTEXT OF THAT ANY NEW BILLBOARD IS RIVERED TO BE IN A HIGH INTENSITY ZONING DISTRICT. COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

HIGHWAY TOURIST, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND OTHERWISE RESTRICTED IN OTHER ZONING AREAS THAT I THEY ARE LIMIT IN THE SIZE AND SCOPE. I SPOKE WITH AND WELL I WILL BACK UP. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT PURVIEW.

WE DON'T ADMINISTER THE SWAP DOWN SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.

I HAVE TALKEDED WITH ROGER POTTER THE MANAGER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND I PULLED DIRECT COMMENTS FROM HIM AS PART OF THIS. AND SO WHAT HE TOLD ME THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO THERE IS LIMITED ACTIVITY ON CURRENT BILLBOARDS HE TOLD ME HALF A DOZEN SWAPPED DOWN AND ONE PERMITTED. I HAVE THAT INFORMATION TYPED UP HERE.

I'M APROSHGS MATING THAT IS CORRECT. NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

WE ARE NOT PERMITTING NEW BILLBOARD ITS IS DIFFICULT TO PULL THEM DOWN.

AND STAFF RESEARCHED GAVE AN OVER VIEW OF HOW LET PROGRAM WORKED.

IT SEEMED EFFECTIVE IN 2000 WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS INSTITUTED THERE WERE 600 IN ST. JOHNS.

BY 2015 THE LAST TIME A WHOLESALE AUDIT THERE WAS 301. EVEN MORE INTERESTING F DOT IS INVOLVED THEY'D TRACK BILLBOARDS AS PART OF THEIR OUT DOOR ADVERTISING.

SYSTEM. AND THEY INDICATE THAT WE HAVE 235 BILLBOARD STRUCTURES.

THERE IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE OF 300 TO 275 I BELIEVE IT IS IN BETWEEN.

BILLBOARD STRUCTURES TO ME CONTEMPLATES THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN ONE FACE ON A BILLBOARD IF YOU HAVE A DOUBLE SIDED YOU WOULD GET A HIGHER COUNT THAN THE 235.

235 STRUCTURES IS THE BEST COUNT I COULD PROVIDE THIS AGENCY. THAT BEING BACKGROUND HAPPY TO HAVE I DISCUSSION. ABOUT WHAT EVERYONE THINKS ASK WHAT DIRECTION WE ARE LOOK TO

GO. >> THANK YOU JACOB AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS MATERIAL TOGETHER AS WELL AS WHAT WAS HIS NAME. I SAY I ANY THERE HAS BEEN BASED ON WHAT YOU PRESENTED, AT LEAST A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE COUNTY. OVER THE LAST -- 20 YEARS OR SO.

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I THINK THE WHAT IS IN THE LDC WITH THE SWAP DOWN PROGRAM IS CUMBERSOME.

AND OVERLY COMPLICATED. THAT MAY BE -- DESIGNED ONCE YOU DO IT IN PRINCIPLE AND OUT IN THE FIELD SCORING BILLBOARDS AND PEOPLE ARE COMING TO YOU IT MAY BE TRANSPARENTS AND EASY TO FOLLOW BUT FOR PUBLIC LOOKING AT IT SEEMS ONEROUS. WOULD BE NICE ARE TO HAVE SOME WITHOUT INVOKING A TAKING. WHICH YOU HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT.

HAVE PROHIBITION ON BILLBOARDS THAT IS AN ALONG ROAD HERE IN THE COUNTY.

I SAID YOU DON'T WANT TO GET IN A TAKING ISSUE. WITH THE OWNERS OF THE SIGNS OR THE LANDOWNERS THAT ARE LEASING OUT SPACE. THAT IS AN ISSUE

>> I DID HAVE QUESTIONS -- AND -- I'M GOING TO WHEN WE GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT I HOPE THE O CONNORS WILL COME UP AND SHOW US THEIR PHOTOS THEY SENT TO US THROUGH JEN.

AND WE AIL GOT THOSE. SO. I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN THOSE, BUT. WHEN THEY SHOWED THOSE PHOTOS. ACCORDING TO I'M LOOKING FOR THE O THE -- IT IS ON PAGE HAS TO DO WITH SPACING. FOR EXAMPLE.

IT SAYS, SPACING FOR PURPOSES OF SUBSECTION BILLBOARDS ON PREMESIS SIGNS COMPETE 300 SQUARE FEET. WE CAN'T TELL HOW LARGE THEY ARE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME.

IN MY FIND FIGURE OUT HOW LARGE I THINK THEY ARE. NO BILLBOARD SIGNS SHALL BE PERMITTED CLOSER THAN 1, 500 FEET TO THE INJURIEST BILLBOARD SIGNS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. 1500 IS A QUARTER OF A MILE. A COUPLE OF PHOTOS THEY PROVIDED US LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER AND THOSE ARE DOWN BY CREEK TO THE NORTH.

HAS TO TO WITH IN THE OF SWAP DOWN PROGRAM YOU CAN HAVE HERE IT IS, ON -- IT IS 7-18.

THIS IS IN LDC. CHAPTER 7-18. SECTION 7.01A CONTROL OF ADDITIONAL TOTAL FACES. SAYS. THE PROGRAM INCLUDES BILLBOARD OWNER TO CENTER IN THE SWAP DOWN PROGRAM. AND EITHER ONE REMODELS AND EXISTING BILLBOARD TO CONFORMITY INCREASING SIDE AND REDUCING HEIGHT OR A CONFURTHERMORING NEW BILLBOARD IN CHANGE FOR REMOVAL OF EXISTING ONE OF SIMILAR STYLES AND GETS IN THE SWAP DOWN PROGRAM. SEEMS OWNER DON'T HAVE TO ENTER IN THE SWAP DOWN.

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I THINK WE NEED SOMEWHERE PROACTIVE TYPE OF PROGRAM. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A POOLY MONEY ALLOCATED TO GOING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND BILLBOARD OWNERS THAT ARE WILLING TO -- SELL THEIR BILLBOARD RIGHTS OUT. AS FAR AS THE TORMENT EVERSTORM DAMAGE PHOTOCOPY A BILLBOARD GETS WIPED OUT BY THE STORM CAN IT BE REPLACED OR NOT? DO THEY HAVE GUIDELINES IF IT GETS DESTROYED. SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT -- NATURAL DISASTERS FOR REALLY NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE ALMOST ALWAYS YOUR ABILITY TO REPLACE IT IS THERE.

MAKE SURE THERE IS NOTHING THAT CONTRADICTSES THAT WITH THE BILLBOARDS, FOR SIGNS NONCONFORMING DESIGNS CAN BE REPLACED. PERIOD.

SAME AS IF IT WAS A BUILDING YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE IN THAT FOOTPRINT.

I WILL SAY THAT ONE OF THE CONCEPTS OF REMOVING NONCONFORMING SIGNS IS MAINTENANCE. WHEN YOU HAVE VERY OLD SIGNS THINK OF A SIGN PUT TOGETHER WITH -- WOODEN POLES AS OPPOSED TO A STEAL STRUCTURE. THOSE SIGNS IF LEFT IN DISREPAIR YOU CAN'T COME BACK. YOU KNOW IF YOU EXCEED THE MAINTENANCE IT IS TYPICAL ON THEM. THAT HI WEAR OUT. THEY ARE LEFT TO TIME.

SO THE NATURAL DISASTER CLAUSE IS ASIDE PROSECUTE THIS AND SOMETHING THAT TREATS THEM SEPARATELY. MR. MATOVINA. STATISTICS I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING. YOU EXPECT A SURGE IN THE BEGINNING BUT FIRST 14 OR 15 YEAR THERE WAS STEADY ACTIVITY AND NOW THERE HAS NOT BEEN A LOT.

I THOUGHT AND SAID, ARE WELL, MAY BE THAT IS THE BILLBOARD INDUSTRY IS WANING.

BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE FIND THING THEIR PHONE. SO I GOOGLED IT.

AND IT SAID I'M WRONG. I SAID IT IS THE BUILDING INDUSTRY WANING BECAUSE MORE USE PHONES TO LOCATENESS BUSINESSES. NO, THE BILLBOARD INDUSTRY IS EXPERIENCING GROWTH AND UNDER GOING A RENAISSANCE DRIVEN BY DIGITAL INTINAUGURATION WITH MOBILE TECHNOLOGY.

THERE IS MORE IT SAYS. THEN I LOOKED AT THE CODE AND LOOK THE AT MAKE 20 AT THE TOP, A PROSECUTE HIBITIFICATION AGAINST MOVEMENT. NO BILLBOARD SHALL BE ERECTED OR

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BUT DIGITAL BILLBOARD MAY SELL IT TO FOUR ADVERTISERS AND ROLLS THROUGH.

OR THE THING WHERE THE MESSAGE CHANGES. EITHER WAY IT IS PROHIBITED.

PERIOD. SO -- THEN I WONDER, IF WE DO MAKE SURE WE ENFORCE THAT, THERE IS A TIME WHERE THE BILLBOARD SAY IT IS WANING BECAUSE OF THIS POSITION.

YOU KNOW 18 YEAR OLDS ARE NOT LOOK TO BILLBOARDS. WE OUT TO LOOK AT THAT SECTION E AND MAKE SURE IT CORES AND MAKE SURE IT IS BEING ENFORCED. THEN HAVE CONVERSATION WORRY SOMEBODY FROM THE BILLBOARD INDUSTRY AND ASK HOW THAT AFFECTS THE VALUE OF THEIR BILLBOARDS. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STEP. TO BRING IN THE INDUSTRY.

MR. PRESIDENT SPIETH PEL? IS DO WE HAVE ANY I SEEN THEM IN DUVALL.

I DON'T HATE THEM LIKE THERICCETY ONES. BUT YOU KNOW IT IS A THING.

BUT -- YEA. I DON'T KNOW WE -- I EVER SEEN ONE IN SAINT JOHNS.

I SEEN SIGNS AND BUILDINGS THAT HAVE SCROLLING CHANGING. I WONDER IF THE QRC CODES YOU INTERACT WITH AND TAKE A PICTURE THAT IS PART OF THE DIGITAL YOU KNOW INTERFACE WITH PEOPLE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, OKAY. TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT? SAFE. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE LAST THING I DID NOT WANT TO BE RUDE TO THE PEOPLE HERE. THE FIRST APPLICATION WE HAD ABOUT THE AMAZON AFFECT THAT WAS THE REASON THEY DID INFORM I THOUGHT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AMAZON TRUCKS THAT IS THE AMAZON AFFECT THERE. ANYWAY.

SO -- I DON'T KNOW. IT IS A COMPLICATED. ESPECIALLY WITH THIS COMPLICATED SWAP DOWN PROGRAM. AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A REACTIVE TIME OF PROGRAM RATHER THAN A PROACTIVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO UNLESS YOU WANT TOP TRY TO REVAMP THIS ENTIRE SECTION.

IN THE LDC. THAT'S A TALL ORDER. THERE IS A LOT IN HERE.

MORE THAN I CANOM A NORMAL DAY -- GET MY HEAD AROUND. >> THIS IS A LOT IN HERE.

TO GRASP. SO -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

OR -- WHAT RECOMMENDATION WE COULD MAKE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT DECIDE THIS. I HAVE HERE SAY INFORMATION THAT HENRY DANE IN IN FAVOR OF A PROGRAM TO -- BUY DOWN BILLBOARDS.

HOW MANY I DON'T KNOW. PERHAPS SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

MR. GREEN. I'M GOING IT FOLLOW UP. I NEVER SEEN THIS.

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I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T LIKE THOSE, EITHER TEMPERATURE IS LIKE -- YOU KNOW THEY ARE MONSTEROUS SIZES. WHAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. TIMING IS INTERESTING I WAS TALKING TO MY HUSBAND ABOUT THIS. AND -- HE SAID OH. I DON'T KNOW, IF THEY WILLEEN WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITH ELECTINS A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE THE COMMISSIONERS UP THERE ON THE BILLBOARDS. RIGHT? FOR ELECTIONS.

SO -- I DON'T KNOW, ARE GOOD POINT WHAT THEIR MOOD IS GOING TO.

MAY BE THEY WILL LIKE IT. MAY BE THEY WILL NOT. THAT WILL NOT TAKE IT PROBABLY UNLESS WE PUT SOMETHING FOURTH TO THEM. THERE IS REASONING WE DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY. IT IS INTERESTING. MR. LABANOWSKI.

MR. SMITH A QUICK QUESTION ON THE BILLBOARDS FOR A1A AS WELL AS -- BARTON SPRINGS -- THEY ARE IN THE ALLOWED IN THE AREAS, CORRECT? I SIGH EYE PARTIAL HERE IT SAYS 600 FEET BACK I THOUGHT IT WAS RESTRICTED FOR THE TWO ROADS. SO.

YEA. I MEAN IF I ARE SICK00 FEET BACK YOUURE NOT ON THE ROAD.

A HEIGHT VISIBLE FOR THAT. AGAIN I MEAN I WANT TO -- AND I RECOGNIZE BECAUSE I DON'T SPED TIME LOOKING I RECOGNIZE IT IS COMPLICATED AND NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IT IS -- FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT A NEAR PROHIBITION BECAUSE THE PLACES YOU CAN PUT IT ARE SO RESTRICTED IS THERE ARE SO FEW OF THE PLACES THAT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT:TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE PERMITTED ONE BILLBOARD IN THE PAST 10 YEARS BASED ON A SWAP DOWN OF SIX. THAT'S ZERO NEW NONSWAP DOWN REMOVED 6 ONE LOST 5.

NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT MAKE ITS PRACTICAL POSSIBLE TO PUT THEM UP ON SCENIC HIGHWAYS AT ALL. NOT I SAW IT SPELLED OUT A1A AND SOMEWHERE I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS IT WOULD BE SCENIC HIGHWAY. A LOT OF WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IT GOES BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS OF CONFORMING AND NON. A LOT OF THE BILLBOARDS WE LIVED IN FLORIDA FOR A LONG TIME. SEEN THEM SINCE WE WERE CHILDREN.

THEY WERE IN EXISTENCE BEFORE WOO HAD A LOT OF OUR CURRENT ZONING LAWS AND RULES BEFORE THE THAT REGULATE BILLBOARDS THAT D- MAY BE WHERE WHY YOU SEE THEM MOST OF THEM YOU SEE DAILY HAVE

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ALMOST ALWAYS THEY ADVERTISE THROUGH AN INITIAL COMPANY OR LARGE COMPANY AND THEN THEY HAVE A CONTRACT TO ANNEEN FOURTH PARTY A LOT WILL RUN 15-20, 30 YEARS SO THAT YOU KNOW IT IS NOT SURPRISING IF ARE THEM TO BE UNDER LONG CONTRACTS. SO -- IT GETS FATHER COMPLICATED YOU HAVE AN ENTITY THAT HAS BEEN PAYING AND HAS A CONTRACT FOR 30IERSES TO KEEP IT THERE.

THE BILLBOARD IS OWNED BY A COMPANY AND THEN THAT MAY NOT BE THE PROPERTY COMPAN THAT OWNED IT UNDER IT. IT IS A SEPARATE -- LEASE THEY ARE COMPLICATED TO GET RID OF.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- MR. MATOVINA BROUGHT UP ARE THE INDUSTRY DYING AND IT IS THE OPPOSITE. THE WHAT IS HAPPENED IS THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO FEW LITTLE ABILITY TO CREATE NEW ONES THAT EXISTING ARE RIDICULOUSLY LUCRATIVE.

AND -- BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T GET THEM ANYMORE. SO -- TO THE EXTEND IF ANYBODY WANTS THEM THERE IS A MARKET I PRICED THEM OUT AND IT IS NOT WHAT YOU PAY TO ADVERTISE ON A BILLBOARD IN THE EARLY 2000'S. THE PRICES CONTINUED TO GO UP THEY ARE RARE.

THAT IT IS -- CREATES A GOOD MARKET FOR THEM. IT IS EYE COMPLICATED THEMMING IF WE HAD MONEY IT MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN YOU THINK FOR COUNTY TO BUY THEM AND ON TOP YOU MAY BE WAITING OUT AN EXISTING LEASE THAT COULD BE PROSECUTE 5-10-20 YEARS.

>> THAT'S -- A REALITY CHECK. RIGHT THERE. GOOD COMMENTS.

SO. ANYMORE COMMENTS BEFORE OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT? SO -- ANYONE HERE . TOP MR. PRESIDENT WHITEHOUSE ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS ITEM.

>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> 290 LOOSE POINT DRIVE.

WE AM GIVE YOU FIVE MINUTES. WE HAVE ALLOWING YOU TO YOU HAVE DON'T START THE CLOCK ALLOWING DOUG'S TIME FOR TO YOU HAVE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WAS REALLY ACTUALLY ALLOWED.

>> THANK YOU. FIVE MINUTES WE MAY NOT TAKE THE FIVE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS. THIS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MUST HAVE EFFECTIVENESS WHAT MR.

GREEN BROUGHT UP WAS OUR POINTS. >> NAME AND ADDRESS. >> NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> I DID. BARBARA AND DOUG O CONNER. WHAT WE DID YESTERDAY WAS TAKE A RUN FROM 312 DOWN TO 206 AND YOU KNOW HIGHLIGHT THE SCENIC HIGHWAY.

WE THOUGHT IFUS ONE IS AS YOU CONDITION SOUTH THIS IS DOUBLE SIDED THAT -- AS I STARTED TO

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I REALLY QUESTION THE EFFECTIVENESS BECAUSE IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO SEE AN ATTORNEY OR LOOK TO TAKE YOUR PET TO A VET ARE YOU GOING TO YOU KNOW SEE A BILLBOARD IS AND THAT'S WHO YOU AM HIRE OR GO. I DOUBT IT. I THINK IN TODAY'S WORLD YOU USE YOUR PHONE AND -- SPEAK OF DEVIL THERE WE GO. THAT IS RIGHT AT FRONT OF MARSH CREEK. AND ITS -- DOUBLE SIDED. THE OTHER SIDE IS VACANT.

PURPLE OLIVE HAD THEIR LOCATION IN THE MALL THERE IT IT IS ON TOP OF A BUILDING.

THIS IS ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE -- AND THEY ALL ARE ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE IT IS INTERESTING. A DOUBLE DECKER THIS WAY A FULL ADD FROM THE ALLIGATOR FARM.

TYPESET IS JUST -- PROPOTIONALLYLY -- IT IS JUST REALLY THIS YOU SEE WHERE IT IS.

IT IS AT THE JUNCTION OF 206. AND -- A1A. CHOOSE RON'S -- BECAUSE OF A BILLBOARD. IT IS JUST NOT OUR HISTORIC AND SCENIC ROADWAYS.

AND -- AGAIN, IT IS ON THE PHONE POLES. GOOD QUESTION.

ANNUALLY OVER -- POTENTIALLY OVER 45,000 TO DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION.

150,000. I DON'T KNOW WITH THE MORE LOCAL BILLBOARDS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH.

THAT WOULD BE THAT WAS THE STRETCH I HAD FOR INTERSTATE BILLBOARDS AT ONE POINT.

>> A YEAR. >> YEA. >> SO -- THEY GAIN BUT YOU KNOW OUR COMMUNITY LOSES BY HAVING THE TAXI SIGNAGE. YOU GO NORTH -- WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME THEY DON'T HAVE BILLBOARDS. IF YOU GO SOUTH I DID CONTINUE SOUTH THERE ARE SOME AS WELL BUT IN THE NOTE I HAD WRITTEN, IT WAS STRITHLY TO LOOK WHAT IS THERE. THERE ARE SEVEN ON OUR HISTORIC SCENIC HIGHWAY THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO -- GET RID OF. I KNOW IT IS A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE.

HOW WE ARE ALL THROWING OUR HANDS UP HOW CAN THIS BE ADDRESSED TO HAVE THEM REMOVED? I DON'T KNOW HOW AND YOU MENTIONED THE SAME ABOUT -- WHO CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN?

WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT SYSTEM >> YOU GET ONE POINT FOR PHONE POLE AND 6 FOR A MONO POIL IS IT BETTER TORHAVE HIGH OR LOW POINTS THE OTHER WAS THE SIZE OF THE BILLBOARD IS IT BETTER TO HAVE A HUGE BILLBOARD. THAT AGAIN IS GIVING MORE POINTS. SO IT REALLY IS A CRAZY PLAN. NOW WHEN REFERENCED TO THE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS -- I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 10-12 YEARS AGO THAT WAS POSED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNT TOW ALLOW THOSE AND IT WAS VOTED DOWN. SO LET'S HOPE THAT IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE VOTED DOWN SHOULD THAT COME ACROSS AGAIN. WHERE DOES IT GO FROM HERE.

ARE YOU THE GROUP THAT WOULD GO CORRECTLY TO ASK OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE A DECISION OR DOES IT GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TO DISCUSS WITH THEM?

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TAKING DOWN THE EXISTING ONES. >> WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A SECTION KINDS OF WHERE YOU SEA GROVE IS AND HEADED SOUTH, THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL STRETCH THERE SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH AND NO BILLBOARDS. IT IS REFRESHING AND CHARMING AND ATTRACTIVE.

AND THIS IS JUST A SIDE LINE. BUT ALSO WHEN YOU GET FURTHER SOUTH.

AND THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION OF -- ALL THE PHONE POLES WITH THE WIRES GOING ACROSS THE STREET AND ACTUALLY COMING UP WITH A PLAN. TOP PUT THOSE UTILITIES UNDER GROUND. NOW SPENDING MORE MONEY. BUT -- IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A SCENIC HIGHWAY, AND HAVE IT BEING ATTRACTIVE ELEMENT TO -- ST. JOHNS AND AUGUSTINE.

WE SIGNED UP FOR THAT SCENIC AMERICA. IT WAS INTERESTING THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ON THE LIST YOU MIGHT WANT TO ELIMINATE THE FIRST BILLBOARDS AND THE SECOND OVER HEAD UTILITIES. ABOVE GROUND. WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND PLACES ON CAPE COD THEY DON'T HAVE ABOVE GROUND. IT IS SUCH A DIFFERENT LOOK THAT

THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. TALKING BILLBOARDS. >> WAY THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A COUPLE. WE SUSPENDED YOUR TIME. I THINK WHEN YOU ARE SAYING IS VALUABLE YOU ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS. I THINK WE CAN GIVE YOU LEEWAY.

BUT -- IT LOOKED LIKE A COUPLE OF THOSE PHOTOS YOU SHOWED YOUR RECENT PHOTOS YOU TOOK YESTERDAY. SOME OF THOSE SIGNS ARE HIGHER THAN 35 FEET.

AND CLOSER TO A1A THAN SICK00 FEET. I MEAN MUCH CLOSER THOSE SEEM TO BE POTENTIAL 3 OBVIOUS VIOLATIONS OF WHAT IS IN THIS LDC.

SO IT WOULD -- PREDATED THE ORDINANCE. MAY BE THEY DID.

AND NOT CONFORMING AND ALLOWED TO STATE. GOOD POINT YOU ARE RIGHT.

>> YOU CAN'T DRIVE BY ONE. WE DON'T KNOW IT PREDATED THE ORDINANCE.

>> THAT WAS IN 18. WHEN THIS PUT TOGETHER. 2018? THE LDC? WAY BEFORE THAT. I'M NOT SURE THE LAST UPDATE TO THE BILLBOARD SECTION BUT ORIGINALLY THE ORDINANCE WAS 1999 FOR CREATING THE SWAP DOWN

PROGRAM. >> OKAY. 99.

OKAY. >> SO THOSE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEEN THERE 27 YEARS.

YOU LOOK AT THESE IT IS CLEAR I CAN LOOK AT THIS ONE I WILL TELL YOU IT IS NONCONFORMING UP ON PHONE POLELESS. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE MEETING THE DESIGN, LOOKS OLD.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LARGER STRUCTURES THE STEAL STRUCTURES IF SOMEONE IS PAINTING AND MAIN, THEY ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME FOR THE MAJOR BILLBOARDS AND AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE AVAILABLE PEOPLE MAINTAIN THEM AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO IN PERCH TUITY.

THE LAST TIME THERE WAS UNVENN TORY A DECADE AGO. SO YOU KNOW -- PERHAPS A COUNT MIGHT BE SOMETHING INCLUDEED SEE WHAT IS WHAT? HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THERE.

ET CETERA, ET CETERA . BUT MOST OF THE THINGS I SEE HERE THEY APPEAR TONONCONFORMING BECAUSE OF LOCATION COMPARED WHAT WE KNOW THE RULES ARE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN PER MISTING

THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEIR EARLIER IN TIME. >> MR. MATOVINA'S POINT IS IMPORTANT. IF THE PREDATED THE CODE. SO THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TOP FIND OUT. DO YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE COULD YOU SHOW US THE PHOTOS OF THE BILLBOARDS SOUTH OF NORTH OF THE CREEK. ON 95.

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AGAIN. TAKING THAT INTO,A COUNT THESE MAY -- PREDATE THE CODE.

BUT THE SPACING ON THOSE THERE IS NO WAY THAT THOSE ARE -- 1500 FEET APART ALONG THE INTERSTATE.

ANOTHER PERSON, WE WITH MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WOULD BE AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER.

WITHOUT MORE WORK. BUT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ALSO HAS IS MENTIONED MANY TIMES IN THIS. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS GREAT POWER OVER SOME OF THIS.

THERE IS ONE YOU COMING OVER NORTH BEFORE YOU TURN OFF TO US ONE.

IT IS O DRY LAND'S SIDE. THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE 50 OR 60 FEET APART.

NOT 1500. THOSE IN THE BACKGROUND AS WELL. THOSE ARE NOT 1500 FEET APART.

THEY COULD HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE. DOWN THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OFZ ONE AND I95.

BUT -- O THE NORTH SIDE THERE. I HAVE BEEN IN THAT BUSINESS SEVERAL TIMES.

THOSE AGAIN -- IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO JUST FLAG A FEW OF THESE AND ASK CODE ENFORCEMENT TO -- SINCE THEY KEEP AN INVENTORY, HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN THERE.

>> IF THEY PREDATE THE CODE THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. MR. MATOVINA POINTED OUT.

THAT'S A VALID AND IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> [LAUGHTER]. THOSE JUMPED OUT AT ME WITH THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE ON A1 ATHE SCENIC HIGHWAY, AGAIN THEY COULD HAVE PREDATED THAT SIGN COULD HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARSES THAT WE DON'T KNOW. MIGHT BE INTERESTING TOP FIND OUT IF THERE AN EASY WA I TO LOOK AT AN INVENTORY AND HE NOT PUT STAFF TO ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO GO OUT AND DETERMINE THOSE. HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN THERE. THIS IS LUCRATIVE.

AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE WILL TAKE CARE EVER THEM. AND MAINTAIN THEM.

SO -- BUT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. I JUST IT IS A COMPLICATED.

>> I KNOW. I KNOW IT IS MONEY. BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT BECAUSE I MENTIONED ARE YOU GONNA HIRE THIS FELLOW BECAUSE OF THAT BILLBOARD.

I DON'T THINK ADVERTISING ON A BILLBOARD IS EFFECTIVE. IT IS REVENUE FOR PEOPLE THAT OWN THE BILLBOARD BUT NOT EFFECTIVE AS FAR AS I DON'T KNOW.

MATOVINA GOOGLED THEY ARE ON THE INCREASE. WHO GAVE THE ANSWER, SOMEBODY IN

THE BILLED BOARD BUSINESS, MAY BE. >> SQUARE FOOT.

THEY GET A LOT. AND YOU ARE CORRECT. JACOB SAYING THEY MAINTAIN THESE THEY WANT THEM TO LAST. I KNOW YEARS AGO GO BACK -- WHEN MY DAD HAD A MUSEUM WE HAD SOME.

WE HAD TO HAVE A TAG OR IDENTIFICATION O THEM, IS THAT STILL -- IT WAS THAT WITH THE

STATE OR A FEDERAL THING? I WAS PROBABLY 10 YEARS OLD. >> YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IS PART OF THE BILLBOARD CODE. GOT HAVE OWNER'S IDENTIFICATION. ET CETERA AND AGAIN -- THEY ALL

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THE TAG LICENSE NUMBER WE SEE ON THERE THAT IS THE DAY DOT NUMBER FOR IT.

>> JACOB. >> ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION? >> WE DOM HAVE ACCESS THAT'S WHERE I PULLED THE STRUCTURES FROM THE DOT DATA BASE. JACOB, IS OUT FRONT THE ONE THAT

IS GETTING THE REVENUE FROM THE BILLBOARD? >> ONE COMPANY OF

>> I WOULD ASSUME THAT DOES THE LIKELY PROPERTY OWNER OF OR -- OWNER OF THE SIGN AND IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT MOST OF THESE BILLBOARDS ARE OWNED BY TWO OR THREE CONGLOMERATION MEDIA

COMPANY FOR WHAT THAT IS EARTH. >> CLEAR CHANNEL. >> CORRECT.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING TODAY. THERE IS A LOT HERE.

YOU ARE ONES THAT TOLD ME THAT HENRY DEAN WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

>> YES. HE COULD NOT BE HERE TOP SPEAK. HE WOULD CARRY WEIGHT WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO -- WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS HERE. >> I KNOW ESPECIALLY.

SPENDING THE DAY HERE. YOU GOT A CHALLENGING ROLE BUT -- WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND ENERGY YOU ARE PUTTING INTO LOOKING AT THIS BILLBOARD ENVIRONMENT.

THANK YOU. >> I WILL WINNING BUT IT I DON'T HAVE CLEAR, EASY SOLUTION OR RECOMMENDATION NOW FOR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER. I GET IT.

IT IS COMPLEX. I DON'T. MR. CHAIR.

I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING TO LOBBYISTS ON THESE COMPANIES ARE VERY, VERY STRONG.

GI BELIEVE IT. >> YEA. DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE THEM.

I'M SURE YOU ARE RIGHT IN THE DARK OF NIGHT. THANK YOU.

I THINK WE WILL LET THIS ITEM >> MR. CHAIR MUST HAVE ON FROM THIS AND SO -- THINKING ABOUT IT

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO -- CHUCK? >> A QUICK COMMENT. IF WE SEE THE BILLBOARDS OUT THERE, WHICH I LOOKED AT ONE ON 95, THEY HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 15 YEARS.

SO IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THIS WE SEE THAT DOES NOT LOOK RIGHT, SHOULD THAT BE TURNED CODE

ENFORCEMENT? >> WELL, LEX. I MEAN TEMPERING THE FACT THAT MOST THE COUNTY HAS NOT PUT A BILLBOARD TO BE PUT IN 10 YEARS, MOST OF THEM ARE PRETTY OLD.

YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT ONE INSPECT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT THEY CAN RESEARCH TYPESET TO MAKE SURE IT ISSHIP BE GRAND FARTHERED. BUT IT MAY NOT BE WORTH THE ENERGY THE VAST MAJORITY APPROXIMATELY BE BECAUSE WE PUT ONE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. THE I LOOKED AT THE ONES ON TAUPE OF EACH OTHER YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THERE 95.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONTROL IS OF THEM THE INTERSTATE AS FAR AS BILLBOARDS HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR

REGULATIONS. >> INTERESTING TO SEE ON THAT MASTER LIST.

MAINTAINED BY F DOT OR COUNTY. HOW LONG THE BILLBOARDS ALONG ERICKSON 1A HAVE BEEN THERE AND ALONG I95 JUST NORTH OF THE CREEK FOR OUR INFORMATION. MAY BE FOR THE NEXT BOARD MEETING OR TWO. THAT MIGHT BE FUEL FOR FURTHER THOUGHT.

AGAIN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU Y'ALL. THANK YOU.

OF >> OKAY. WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA.

[Staff Reports]

MEETING IS ON APRIL SECOND. >> THANK GOT NOT APRIL FIRST. >> [LAUGHTER] ANY AGENCY

REPORTS? >> IT APPEAR WE

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