Feb 19, 2026 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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>> THE ST.JOHN'S COUNT PLANNING IS SPECIAL ZONING AGENCY BOARD MEET SUGGEST NOW IN SESSION.

WOULD YOU STAND AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?

>> AND MS. SPIEGEL, WOULD I READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT? THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AREA OF JURISDICTION AND BEGIN AN OPPORTUNITY TO AFTER COMMENT AT A TIME DURING THE HEARING.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND A LENGTH OF TIME DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH WILL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES,

WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> SPEAKER MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DON'T, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDED TO APPEAL ANY DECISION WITH RESPECT TO A MATTER CONSIDERED AT THIS HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD AND MAY NEED ENSURE A VERBATIM RECORD MADE THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS. PARAGRAPHS OR STATEMENTS PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD. RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCY, COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY IN REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THEM.

AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM STATE WHERE THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANTLIES EVER THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER IDENTIFY THE PERSON INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF COMMUNICATION.

CIVILITY CLAUSE WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL WHENNEEN WHEN WE AGGRESS.

DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 01/15/2026]

>> THANK YOU. WE NOW HAVE MINUTES OF THE MEETING O JANUARY 15TH TO APPROVE OR AMEND. ANYONE HAVE AMENDMENTSES TO THAT? WE WILL TAKE A -- VOICE VOTE TO APPROVE OR NOT. SO -- ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING? THEY WER WITH THAT CORRECTION ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. >> AYE.

>> OPPOSED? >> ALL RIGHT. PASSES.

[Public Comments]

IF YOU SPEAK NOW ON THAT ITEM YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON IT WHEN IT IS HEARD PUBLICLY.

ANYONE HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE, COME FORWARD TO ONE OF THE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR NO, MA'AM AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING. >> IS THIS GOOD.

BARBARA CONNER MY HUSBAND DOUG. WE LIVE AT 290 FILLER'S POINT DRIVE IN MARSH CREEK.

WE REPRESENT OURSELVES AND FIRST OF ALL, GLAD TO BE ABLE TO BRING OUR THOUGHTS TO YOU AS EARLY IN THE YEAR AS POSSIBLE AND WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS.

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REALLY RAISED SOME DIFFERENCES. WE WERE TAKING A RIDE DOWN TO PORT CANAVERAL AND ON I-95.

IN ST.JOHN'S COUNTY YOU HAVE BILLBOARDS AND SO ON ABOUT ORANGES AND THE LONGEST ALLIGATOR YOU CAN FIND AND NUTS AND ALL THIS STUFF AND MANY OF THEM ARE IN RATHER DISREPAIR.

WE GET TO FLAGLER COUNTY AND YOU NOTICE NOTABLE DIFFERENCE THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW OF THOSE OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE NOT ADVERTISING THOSE THINGS BUT THEY DON'T HAVE MANY BILLBOARDS.

SO, AS WE CONTINUE TO RIDE DID A GOOGLE ON WHY DOES FLAGLER HAVE SO FEW BILLBOARDS AND ST.JOHN'S IS INUNDATED WITH THEM ON I-95OR A1A? AND COUPLE OF PICTURES THERE.

THIS IS AS YOU DRIVE INTO WHICH THE COUNTY FROM SOUTHERN FLAGLER.

AND AS YOU APPROACH EXIT 298, YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE REPEATED BILLBOARDS THAT ARE SITTING ON PHONE POLE BRACKETS AND -- JUST NOT THE BEAUTY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN YOUR COUNTY WHERE YOU HAVE BEAUTIFUL FOLIAGE AND TREES AND NATURAL SIGHTS. SO, WE PURSUED THE REASON WHY, WHY IS THERE A DIFFERENCE ON OUR ROADWAYS IN ST.JOHN'S COUNTY? BASICALLY, IN THE EARLY I DON'T HAVE MANY NUMBERS IN THE EARLY 2000'S FLAGLER COUNTY HAD GONE FORWARD WITH INITIATIVE TO TRY TOVILLE THEM REDUCED IN THE COUNTY AND TO NOT HAVE SO MANY THAT WOULD BEEEN CONTINUOUSLY ADDED. AND -- IT WAS A PROACTIVE REMOVAL CAMPAIGN.

AND FUNDED BY THE TD, YOU KNOW THAT TOURIST DEVELOPMENT FUNDS THEY USED IN ORDER TO REMOVE THEM. AND -- THEY WERE ABLE TO IT WAS OVER 10 YEARS.

THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE 11 BILLBOARDS REMOVED. AND THAT WAS NOT ONLY ON U.S.

ONE BUT THEY WERE PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN ROW MOVING THEM FROM A1A THAT IS SPOZED TO BE

OUR HISTORIC SCENIC ROAD. RELINQUISH MY TIME. >> WERE YOU PLANNING TO SPEAK.

ONLY SUPPORTING HER IF SOMETHING CAME UP. >> IT IS BASED ON THE SAME CONCEPT. BUT WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR IS TO CONVINCE YOU AS THE BOARD, TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO OUR COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER A SIMILAR PROGRAM WHERE MONIES CAN BE PUT TOWARDS THE REMOVAL OF SOME OF THE BILLBOARDS THAT ARE JUST, I DON'T THINK THEY SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGE FOR ST.JOHN'S COUNTY. THEY ARE DOES ANYONE STOP AND GO TO THOSE ORANGE STANDS WHERE THE ALL LONG AND -- YOU KNOW DAY - PROBABLY THEY ARE NOT IN THE CONDITION YOU WOULD WANT TO BUY THEM. I DON'T THINK THAT DRAWS PEOPLE THOSE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW REMOVED. EEN ON A1A, YEA IT IS A HISTORIC SCENIC HIGHWAY. THIS ONE SUDDEN IS A1A. THE SIZE OF IT RELATIVE TO THE AREA IS JUST NOT WHAT I CONSIDER A THING OF BEAUTY FOR OUR SCENIC HIGHWAY.

LOOK IN THE EARLY 2000'S WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR FLAGLER IT WAS AN 80 THOUSAND DOLLARS INVESTMENT TO BUY BACK THE BILLBOARDS AND HAVE THEM REMOVED.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. AND IT WAS OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. SO -- YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE POLICY AND PRACTICE

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70S. THEY ARE DATED AND JUST NOT A GOOD REFLECTION OF ST.JOHN'S COUNTY WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL. WE ARE HISTORIC. YOU KNOW AND TO HAVE THOSE UGLY BLIGHTED AREAS WITH THE VISUAL BLIGHT YOU CALL IT, WOULD LIKE TO HOPE THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD CONSIDER A PLAN TO DO THAT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF SCREEN SHOTS I COULD SEND TO YOU.

TO READ OVER THE INFORMATION THAT WE FOUND. IT IS UNBELIEVABLE WHAT GOES INTO IT. BUT IT IS VERY DOABLE IF YOU KNOW EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD WITH

THAT. >> YOU KNOW -- SPOKE WITH RICHARD AND HENRY DEAN TO GET AN IDEA THAT'S WHY IT WAS TIMELY THAT THE MEETING WAS COMING UP AS SOON AS IT WAS IN THE YEAR.

THIS WORKED OUT GREAT TO GET IT OUT THERE. >> THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. >> I HAVE SPOKEN TO JACOB ABOUT THIS AND LEX.

WE CANNOT TAKE ANY DIRECT ACTION ON THIS TODAY. IT IS NOT AN AGENDAED ITEM.

WE CAN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WITHHOLD BE IN CHARGE OF APPROVING A PROGRAM. I WONDERED WHAT THE BOARD FELT ABOUT THIS IDEA AND SHOULD WE DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT. SHOULD WE ASK IT TO BE AN AGENDAED ITEM AT SOME POINT.

MS. SPIEGEL? WELL, I AGREE. WITH HER COMMENTS REGARDING THE BEAUTY OF OUR COUNT AND HE IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO POLISH IT UP IT WOULD BE WORTH INVESTIGATING. MAY BE MORE INFORMATION GATH ERRED AND THE PROCESS AND HOW FLAGLER AND OUR COUNTY ARE DIFFERENT WE HAVE -- DIFFERENT SIZE.

SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A

CONSENSUS FOR THAT. >> MR. OLSON. >> YES.

I ALSO AGREE THAT A GOOD NEXT STEP TO GET INFORMATION AS TO HOW SUCH A PROGRAM IS GOING TO PROCEED AND BE IMPLEMENTED. I'M ASSUMING IT INVOLVED BUYING OUT THE INTERESTS OF BOTH POSSIBLY THE BUSINESS BEING ADVERTISED AND THE OWNER OF THE SIGN IS NOT ALWAYS THE SAME PARTY. I EXPECT THAT IS A BIG INTEREST AND EXPECT FOR SOME OF TOURIST ATTRACTIONS WE HAVE IN OUR CITY DEPENDANT PART OF THE CUSTOMER BASE IS ATTRACTING PEOPLE OFF I95 THERE IS PROBABLY A STRONG ECONOMIC VALUE TO HAVING THE SIGNS.

I LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW THAT PROCEEDS FROM A PRACTICAL BUY OUT STANDPOINT.

>> GOOD THOUGHT. MR. LABANOWSKI? >> I AGREE, ALSO.

THIS SIGNAGE POLLUTION GOT BAD AND NOT JUST THE BILLBOARDS IT IS ALL SIGNS, PERIOD.

WHETHER FOR BUSINESSES OR WHATEVER. THE SIGNAGE POLLUTION GOT BAD

AND I IRAQI TO SEE WA WE CAN TO REMEDY THE ISSUE. >> OKAY.

I'M IN FAVOR OF US PURSUING IT INTO THE MATTER AND ADVISE US ON NEXT STEPS AND WHAT A PROGRAM MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO, HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM YOU FOLKS.

MS. PERKINS? >> DO YOU MINDS IF I ASK STAFF A QUESTION.

JACOB, WHO REGULATES THE BILLBOARDS DOES IT COME UNDER YOUR DEPARTMENT?

WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING TO BILLBOARDS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

JAKOCK SMITH. BILLBOARDS ARE UNDER THE SIGN CODE THEY FALL UNDER THE SIGN CODE YOU OTHERWISE DO SEE ITEMS FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. BECAUSE THERE IS A PROGRAM IN PLACE FOR BILLBOARD ELIMINATION IN ST.JOHN'S IT FALLS TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT THEY REGULATE IT UNDER THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT T. AND SO THEY HANDLE ALL THAT.

AND YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING. BUT BROADLY SPEAKING, IT IS IN THE SIGN CODE IT IS JUST A

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SUBSET OF IT. >> OKAY. >> SO IF WE WERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IT IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE NORMALLY WOULD DO BUT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

>> IT IS AND IT IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITEM I SAY IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS REGULARLY BROUGHT IT FALLS WITHIN THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY'S AREA OF EXPERTISE.

>> I WOULD NOT MIND FINDING OUT MORE. LET'S START THERE RATHER THAN

TAKING AN ACTION IMMEDIATELY. >> MR. MATOVINA? >> I MAY SPEAK TO THIS LATER WHEN WE GET TO MEMBERS COMMENT AT THE END, LISTEN MORE BUT -- I WOULD BE FINE WITH US TAKING UP EXAMINATION OF BILLBOARDS ITS GOES BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS COMMITTEE IS CHARGED WITH DOING. WHICH AGAIN PROBABLY WILL DISCUSS FURTHER LATER.

SO -- I WOULD SAY IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, WE HAVE TO FOCUS STRICTLY ON CODE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH BILLBOARDS. AND NOT GET IN OTHER MATTERS LIKE BUY OUT PROGRAM AND THOSE THINGS UNLESS THEY ARE PART OF OF THAT CODE. THAT IS MY OPINION.

THAT IS OUR CHARGE. AND I SEE OUR CHARGE GETTING OUTSIDE OF THAT LATELY AND AGAIN I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER. TIME PERMITTING. WE NEED TO STICK TO OUR CHARGE THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO MAKE FISCAL DECISIONS. AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARD TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

>> GOOD POINTS. MR. GREEN? >> I CERTAINLY DISCIPLINE NOT HAD BOTHER ME TO REVIEW ANY OF OUR CODES ANY TIME. THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE IMPROVED. YOU GOT SOME OF FEDERAL HIGHWAY ACTS IT IS ON THE INTERSTATE.

YOU GOT THOSE. SO -- MAY BE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO TIGHT EN IT UP.

AND THEN LIKE OTHER THINGS MAY BE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR POLICIES.

SO -- YEA. CERTAINLY. AND YOU KNOW, IT UP TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.

I WILL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISORY. THERE IS ALWAYS IMPROVEMENTS IN CODES THROUGH THE YEARS.

REALLY NEED TO -- THINGS CHANGE AS THE COUNTY GROWS. SURE.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO THE MATTER AND GET BACK.

WHAT IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU WOULD NEED? >> I HEAR THAT REQUEST.

WE WILL BRING IT BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOUR TO SIX WEEKS. >> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S AS SOON AS YOU CAN THAT IS FINE. >> WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO I HAVE SOME INFORMATION SCREEN SHOTS. SENDS IT TO THE BOARD IT GIVES DETAILS BACKGROUND HOW THEY BUY BACK. A 10 YEAR PLAN.

80,000 IN 2013. FREE TO E MAIL US WITH THOSE. ABSOLUTELY.

AND IS THERE IS THAT ON RECORD SOME PLACE. IT IS ON THE WEBSITE FOR

PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY BOARD. >> VERY GOOD.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> WE ARE ON TO AGENDA ITEM ONE. A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

FOR CAJUN BEACH ST. AUGUSTINE RESTAURANT. TONI ALBRIGHT, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. CHARLIE, YOU HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> I'M SORRY I NEED TO RECOGNIZE CHARLEF HUNT BEFORE YOU, TONI.

>> OKAY. >> I'M SORRY. >> I DID NOT SEE YOU STAND UP,

>> HAS TO TO WITH SIGNS YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT SIGNS. >> ACTUALLY THANK YOU, EVERYBODY I'M CHARLIE HUNT MILL CREEK ESTATES. YES, IN 1970 THE FIVE MAN ELECTRICAL BAND HAD A SONG SIGNS AND REDONE BY TESLA IN A JAM. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I BEEN

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>> HERE TO SAY ABOUT THE SIGN IS STEREO BIG THE END OF THE DAY THE END OF THE PROJECT THEY WANT TO CHANGE THESE UPDATES ON SIGNS? MAKE THEM BIGGER AND ARE LARGER? THEY DID NOT HAVE IT. THAT IS A CONSTANT THING. SO -- YES WE ALL KNOW IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND REFORMED. AND BECOME MORE PRESENT OF WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE.

GRANTED, THE COMP PLAN 2050, WILL NOT HAVE NO AFFECT BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO HAVE AN AFFECT ON ANYTHING AS WE SEE IT NOW. ALSO I LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT -- IT IS UNDER 180 DAYS FOR THE IMPORTANT DAY IN THE COUNTY. THE PRIMARY ELECTION TUESDAY. WHICH ON THAT DAY, IT WILL REALLY DECIDE WHETHER WHO WILL BE HERE OR NOT IN ON THE COMMISSIONS, THE COUNTY BOARD COMMISSION -- SCHOOL BOARD. AND SUCH AS THAT. I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE LOOKING IN AND SEE WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE FOR RUNNING FOR THE ELECTION.

ON PRIMARY ELECTION DAY. YES, THAT IS THE BASICALLY ELECTION DAY OF ST.JOHN'S COUNTY PRETTY MUCH. OKAY. ALSO I HAVE BEEN THE BLUE RIBBON PROJECTS THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN UP AND DONE UP IN TALLAHASSEE TO WHERE IF OVER 10,000 PLUS SQUARE 80 ARE TRACTS OF LAND, THEN THE DEVELOPER WILL PRETTY MUCH COUNTY WILL HAVE NO SAY WHAT IS GOING ON. WITH WHAT IS IN THERE. HOW THEY RUN IT.

AND HOW IT WAS BUILT AND HOW THEY DESCRIBE AS PROTECTED OR OPEN PROPERTY. AND ALSO KNOWING THAT LOOKING AT THE TWO SUBCOMMITTEES THAT HAVE VOTEDOD THE PRELIMINARY WRITING UP OF THE BILL, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL TOM LEE APPROVED VOTES. WE KNOW WHERE THAT IS GOING.

THAT IS WHAT IS COMING UP BIG. NOW THREE AREAS THAT ARE A PLUS 10,000 SQUARE ACRES THAT IS ALREADY LINED UP FOR THIS AND THEY ALL ARE JUST SOUTH OF 208. WHICH FOR DEVELOPERS WE KNOW COUNTY ROAD 208 IS LIKE THE RED SEA. THEY ARE STANDING THERING AND WHEN IT IS PARTED. IT WILL FLOOD IN THE AREA AND IT WILL BE JUST MADE THEIR OWN

WORLD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. HUNT.

ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? >> BACK TO YOU MS. ALBRIGHT.

[1. SUPMAJ 2025-25 The Cajun Beach St. Augustine. Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 2.03.02 of the Land Development Code, to allow for the on-site sale and consumption of Alcoholic Beverages in connection with an existing restaurant located within Commercial Neighborhood (CN) zoning and specifically located at 5545 A1A South.]

>> DO WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. NO, YOU DON'T BUT WE ARE DOING EX PARTE NOW ANY MEMBERS HAVE

MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I VISITED THE SIGHT R SITE ASK TALKED TO A HOSTESS ON DUTY

AT THE TIME. >> MR. GREEN. >> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS

LOCATION. >> AS AM I DROVE BY IT LAST NIGHT.

IT WAS STILL DAYLIGHT. DRIVING DOWN NOT BACK. >> DID YOU EAT THERE?

>> HAVE I? NOT AT THE NEW CAJUN BEACH. NO.

I HAVE NOT. THE OLD LOCATION I DID. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. I'M TONI ALBRIGHT SPECIAL WE ARE HERE FOR 5545A1A SOUTH. CAJUN BEACH IS A FAMILY OR GENTED RESTAURANT SERVING AUTHENTIC INSPIRED CAJUN FOOD. WE OPERATE AS SERVE BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER.

THE LOCATION OPERATES IN AN EXITING COMMERCIAL CENTER AND RESTAURANT USE.

PRESENTATION RELATES TO SPECIAL USE 25-25. REQUESTS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL SERVICE AT THIS ESTABLISHED LOCATION. I WILL BRIEF WALK THROUGH THE CONTEXT. EXISTING CONDITIONS AND HOW IT REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH PYRE

OPERATIONS AND COUNTY REQUIREMENTS. >> WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW ALCOHOL SERVICE IN THE AN EXISTING RESTAURANT LOCATION.

ON SITE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WITH A STATE OF FLORIDA ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE IT DOES NOT EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OR INCREASE SEATING BEYOND ESTABLISH LEVELS AND NOT

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WITHIN THAT EXISTING OPERATION. >> HERE IS THE SITE CONTEXT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND HISTORICALLY OPERATED AS AN RESTAURANT INCLUDING PRIOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SERVICE. PARKING AND CIRCULATION PATTERNS REMAIN UNCHANGE THE.

THERE ARE ESTABLISHED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS ALREADY IN PLACE. THIS IS NOT INTRODUCE NEW OR INTENSIFIED IMPACTS UPON THOSE WITH RESTAURANT USE AT THIS LOCATION.

THE SLIDE PROVIDES THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND ZONING OFFER VIEW. THE PROPERTY IS AT 5545A1A SOUTH IN ST.JOHN'S COUNTY, FLORIDA PARCEL 1821700011. THE SITE IS ZONED CN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD LOCATED IN THE A1A SOUTH COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF THE SOUTH PLANNING DISTRICT.

ALCOHOL SERVICE BY PERMIT IS ALLOWABLE IN THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING AND THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS SLIDE OUT LINES THE PARKING FOR SITE. THERE ARE EIGHT PARKING SPACES LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT INCLUDING TWO AD A SPACES. IN BLUE ON THE EXHIBIT.T LINED - ADDITIONAL PARKING AVAILABLE WITHIN THE SHARED COMMERCIAL PARKING AREA CONSISTENT HOW THE PROPERTY HAS OPERATED AS A RESTAURANT. THE SHARE PLAZA PARKING ON THE EXHIBIT FOR CONTEXT. THE PROPOSED OUT DOOR SEATING DOES NOT REQUIRE PARKING BEYOND

RESTAURANT OPERATIONS AND NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED. >> CAJUN BEACH ESTABLISHED BREAKFAST SERVICE PART OF THE FULL SERVICE OPERATIONS. BREAKFAST MENU REFLECTS OUR EXISTING OPERATIONS. NO CHANGES TO FOODSERVICE, SEATING OR OPERATIONS ARE PROPOSED. IT RELATES TO ALCOHOL SERVICE UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THIS IS OUR CURRENT MAIN MENU REFLECTING OUR FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT OPERATIONS.

THIS MENU IS BEING SHOWN FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES NO EXPANSION OF FOOD, SEATING OR OPERATIONS ARE PROPOSED PART OF THIS REQUEST. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE EXISTING SEATING AREA. THE SPACE LONG OPERATED AS A STANDARD FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH INDOOR DINING AND BAR SEATING AND IT IS LAWFULLY ESTABLISHED.

WE HAVE 115 INTERIOR SEATS LOCATED IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AFFORDABILITY.

THE UPDATES YOU SEE OR COSMETIC. WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE USE OF THE SPACE.

IMTEARIOR DINING IS THE PRIMARY USE AND NOT EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OR INCREASING LAND USE INTENSITY. THIS SLIDE SHOWS OUR EXISTING BAR SEATING.

ALL BAR SEATING ENTIRELY WITHIN THE BUILDING AFFORDABILITY. BODILY HARM FUNCTIONS PART OF THE ESTABLISHED FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT USE. NO EXPANSION OF SEAT ASKING NO CHARGE IN USE PROPOSED. I'M SORRY. IT KEEPS SKIPPING.

THIS SHOWS THE OUT DOOR SEAT SUGGEST AREA. REMAINS ACCESSORIACCESSORIOUS T THE SEATING PLAN ENDORSED BY COUNTY STAFF. THE PROPOSED OUT DOOR SEATING 40 SEATS. 26 ON THE LEFT AND 14 ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT EXPAND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTOR INTENSIFY USE.

THE THE SEATING WANT SPECIALS THE FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT OPERATIONS AND SECONDARY TO THE 115 INTERIOR SEATS. THIS SLIDE PROVIDES A SITE ORIENTATION OF THE SEATING AREAS

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THERE IS NO EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING AFFORDABILITY, PARKING ACCESS OR CIRCULATION THIS

ILLUSTRATES HOW THE EXTERIOR FITS WITHIN THE DEVELOPED SITE. >> THIS SLIDE FOCUSES ON THE LEFT SIDE SEATING AREA. ON THE LEFT IT SHOWS THE EXISTING OUT DOOR AREA FOR CONTEXT. THIS AREA PREVIOUSLY OPERATED AS EXTERIOR SEATING ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE. ON THE RIGHT THE EXCERPT FROM THE COUNTY ENDORSED SEATING AS AN OPEN AIR AREA FOR THE SIDE. LEFT INCLUDES 26 SEATS. OUT DOOR SEATING ACCESSORY TO THE IMDOOR USE AND DOES NOT EXPAND THE FINGERPRINT OR INTENSIFY THE ESTABLISHED USE.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE EXTERIOR SEATING ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THIS AREA OPERATED WITH OUT DOOR SEATING AND ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY INDOOR RESTAURANT USE. THERE ARE 14 SEATS PROPOSED REFLECTED IN THE SEATING PLAN THIS DOES NOT EXPAND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, PARK, CIRCULATIONOR LAND USE. IT SUPPORTS THE FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT OPERATIONS.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE EXISTING PROPANE STORAGE EQUIPMENT SERVING THE RESTAURANT.

ALL IS EXISTING AND HISTORICALLY SUPPORTS OPERATIONS AT THIS LOCATION.

THE C02 SUPPORTS BEVERAGE AND PROSECUTE PAIN THE STANDARD KITCHEN OPERATIONS.

NO FUEL STORAGE IS BEINGARD'D ADD THE. EQUIP IN THE CONCERN LOCATIONS AND CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR RESTAURANT USE. EMPTY BEER KEGS INSIDE OR IN DRY STORAGE AREA. THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING USED COOKING OIL AND SERVICE AREA.

CONTAINER IS WITHIN APE SCREENED SERVICE AREA AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS EXISTING AND SUPPORTED RESTAURANT OPERATIONS AT THIS LOCATION.

NO CHANGES TO WASTE HANDLING OR SITE LAYOUT PROPOSED PART OF THIS REQUEST.

IN SUMMARY THE PROPERTY IS AN COMMUNISTING LAWFULLY ESTABLISH STRUNTS IN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT WE REQUEST APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ON SIGHT ALCOHOL SERVICE WITH A FLORIDA LICENSE. THE RESTAURANT USE IS ESTABLISHES.

THE INTERIOR HAS 115 SEATS OUT DOOR 40 SEATS FOR A TOTAL OVER ALL COUNT OF 155 SEATS.

OUT DOOR SEATING ACCESSORY TO THE INDOOR USE. THERE IS NO EXPANSION TO THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. NO INCREASE IN LAND USE AND NO OPERATIONAL CHANGES BEYOND ALCOHOL SERVICE. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND MEETS THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL. CAJUN BEACH REQUESTS APPROVAL OF

THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS PRESENTED. >> THANK YOU.

THAT'S CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION. >> YES , SIR.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. >> MS. SPIEGEL? >> THANK YOU.

I APOLOGIZE IF I MISS THIRD DEGREE. BOTH OUT DOOR SEATING WILL BE

FENCED IN THE FROM THE FRONT NOT FREE ACCESS. >> WE HAVE PLANS TO FENCE IN

THE LEFT SIDE JAM THE RIGHT SIDE IS ALREADY FENCED IN. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. MR. GREEN? >> YOU DO PRACTICE ALL THE WAY

THROUGH DIN ARE WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? >> SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

OUR HOURS 9 AIM TO 10 P.M. WE MIGHT EXPAND BREAKFAST TO ACCOMMODATE EARLY RISEERS BUT AS OF NOW THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I SEE THE PRECEDENCE FOR THIS. THERE HAS BEEN 3 APPROVED SIX OF THESE ALREADY FOR THIS ONE LOCATION. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. LABANOWSKI?

>> THE FENCE IS WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT I SAW THAT. THERAPY IS REALLY HAS NOTHING TO

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DO WITH YOUR APPLICATION WHEN IS THE GRAND OWNING. >> IT HAS OPENED WE OPENED IT

HAS BEEN A SOFT OPENING. >> TALKING TO YOUR STAFF I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A GRAND

OPENING. OKAY. >> THERE MIGHT BE IF WE GET APPROVED FOR THIS LICENSE. [LAUGHTER]. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO

SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY. MR. GREEN.

-- OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS. MOTION.

WE APPROVED THIS LOCATION ACCORDING TO STAFF AT LEAST SIX TIMES LET'S GO FOR IT AGAIN AND

HOPE YOU SUCCESS WITH IT. >> THANK YOU, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 2025-25 CAJUN BEACH ST.

AUGUST TEEN BASED ON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND 11 CONDITIONS THAT WERE --

>> A MOTION BY MR. GREEN AND SECOND BY MR. LABANOWSKI. ANY COMMENT? ALL IN FAVOR? TIME TO VOTE. OR OPPOSED?

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

[2. MINMOD 2026-01 Giambrone Family Pool. Request for a Minor Modification to the Julington Creek Plantation PUD (Ord. 1993-43, as amended) to allow for an Impervious Surface Ratio (ISR) of 51% in lieu of the 45% maximum requirement to allow for a swimming pool and deck, specifically located at 465 East Kesley Lane.]

>> CONGRATULATIONS >> >> NEXT IS RYAN -- FOR A MINOR

MODIFICATION THE FAMILY POOL AND EX PARTE FROM THE BOARD. >> MR. LABANOWSKI? I VISITED THE SITE FROM THE STREET. ANYONE ELSE?

OKAY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> THANK YOU.

HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING. TODAY I WANTED TO BEGIN BY QUALIFYING MY PLACE IN MY RESPECTIVE INDUSTRY SO WE HAVE CONTEXT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

I HAVE BEEN IN THE POOL INDUSTRY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.

PRETTY MUCH 95% IN YOUR MUNICIPAL. YOU HAVE A FANTASTIC PLANNING ZONING DEPARTMENT AUTOMATIC HONORED WORK WITH YOUR STAFF. THANKFUL FOR THAT.

I HAVE BEEN IN SALES FOR THE LAST 3-4 YEARS. I HAVE A VERY DIALED IN THE PROCESS ON HOW I GO ABOUT DESIGNING PROJECTS FOR FOLKS. AMONG MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

AND SO ONE OF MY PROCESSES IS REACHING OUT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT TO -- GET THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PROPERTIES. I UNDERSTAND WHAT SETBACKS ARE. GETTING A SURVEY.

UNDERSTANDING EASE WANT, LOCATIONS ISR INFORMATION. THINGS THAT WILL SET ME UP AND MY CLIENT FOR SUCCESS WHEN GOING TO CONSTRUCT A SWIMMING POOL. I ONLY MENTION THIS NOT AS AN ANYTHING BUT WHEN I ORIGINALLY REACHED OUT TO GET THE ORDINANCE FOR THE FAMILY, I WAS TOLD I HAD KWEMOI 50% ISR TO OPERATE WITHIN. I DESIGNED AND WE DELIBERATED FOR 3-4 MONTHS. IT WAS A WELL, THOUGHT OUT SYSTEM THERE.

I FELT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT NUGGET TO MAKE SURE WE CONSIDER AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. HERE WE GO. WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A MINOR MODIFICATION. AT THE ADDRESS 465 EAST KELSLY LANE IN THE WEST SIDE OF ST.JOHN'S COUNTY. A LOT OF THIS I WILL READ IT IS DIRECT AND PITHINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS THE QUESTION FOR MINOR MODIFICATION IN THE PHASE TWO TO OFFER A SURFACE RATIO 51% IN LIEU OF THE 45% FOR PHASE TWO. THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS AN ARIAL MAP. I WILL MENTION IT AGAIN, UNFORTUNATE POINT WE HAVE KIND OF DIGGING IN THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE YARD.

WE WILL REVISIT THAT TALKING POINT HERE IN A MINUTE. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

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FROM THE STREET VIEW. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN IT COME TO BEING ABLE TO SEE THE PROJECT THAT WE WILL REVIEW IN A MOMENT. THAT'S THEIR STREET VIEW.

AS WE SEE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET IN THEIR YARD.

SDWR THIS IS OUR MARKED SITE PLAN. AS SORRY COMMON PRACTICE FOR GETTING A PERMIT FOR A SWIMMING POOL, SCREEN AND SO FORTH. STATING ALL OUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE DATAER. SETBACKS AND THE GENERAL NOTES THAT WE NEED WHEN GOING FOR A PERMIT. AND AS THE ITEM BELOW STATES IT DOES FLOT ENCROACH ON SETBACKS OR EASEMENTS BASED UPON WHAT THE ORDINANCE HAD TO STATE. THIS IS A FEW SHOTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT. AS WE SEE, TASTEFUL.

GOES ALONG WITH THES ELEGANCE OF NEIGHBORHOOD. A NICE COMMUNITY WE ARE OPERATING IN. THIS IS OUR CONSTRUCTION PRINT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE I HAVE LIMITATIONS ON MY PLANS WE SEE THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE. THIS PORTION OF DECK IT LOOKS PAST THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE -- THIS IS THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE THAT WE SEE ON THE PLAN.

HOWEVER THE FURTHER BACK DOWN WE GO, HOUSE -- JETS BACK OUT AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE TWO GUYS END UP IN LINE. WHICH IS PARFOR THE COURSE FOR MOST HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATIONS AND SUCH. USUALLY THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

IT CAN BE SOMETIMES BUT IN THIS INSTANCE SETBACKS AND THINGS GO IS A NONISSUE.

OOPS. NOW THESE ARE POINTS OF RATIONAL.

IT WORTH MENTIONING THE PHASE ONE OF THE DEVELOP WOMAN HAD A 50% ISR.

NOW I KNOW IN THE BEGINNING I STATED WE HAVE 51%. I THINK AT THAT TIME IF I WOULD HAVE SUBMITTED 51% AND DENIED WE WOULD HAVE GOT TOGETHER AND MADE OUR MODIFICATION WE NEED IN ORDER TO MEET THAT 51% OR TO MEET THE 50%. OTHER IMPORTANT NOTES THE SECOND PIECE SAYS OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS PERMIT 60% OR MORE. PLAN IS 70%.

WHAT I SAY I DESIGNED CLOSE TO 3,000 POOL IN MY LIFE AND MOST IN THIS COUNTY.

I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY HOMES HAVE A 70% ISR I'M DESIGNING POOLS FOR.

WE HAVE EXCELLENT WATER MANAGEMENT AS IN THE BACK AS WE SAW FROM OUR ARIAL VIEWS AND MAPS THAT WE VICE PRESIDENT FORESTS OR PRESERVE OR WHATEVER TERM WE USE THERE.

IT IS WORTH NOTING THE SLOPE OF THE YARD TAPEERS BACK TO THE PRESERVES AS WELL.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER POINT IN A COUPLE SLIDES THE VARIANCE POOL IS SNOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET NOR DOES IT IMPACT SETBACKS OR DRAINAGE. AND MAKING NOTE FOR THE COMP HENCE YOU HAVE VARIANCE WOULD NOT BE CONTRARY TO SPIRIT AND INTENT OF CODE.

ASKS ARE LOW ARE THAN 70% AS I MENTIONED. AND THEN THERE WAS BULLET POINTS, FOUR EXPLAINING THE HARDSHIP FOR OUR CLIENT. THE TITLES I USED ARE SNIPPETS WHAT THE MAJORITY WAS SAYING I'M ADDRESSING THE BULLET POINT WITHIN THOSE.

THE FIRST WAS VARIANCE WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTERESTS. OUR PROJECT IT IS NOT IMPEDE THE PUBLIC INTERESTS IT IS BEHIND THE HOME AND MEETING ALL SETBACKS AND NOT VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET. I THINK WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE IT IMPEDES THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST. AND AGAIN TAKING A SNIPPET OF THE MASSIVE POINT TWO IN THAT I

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IF THE YEAR OF THE LINE WAS MORE NATURAL IT WENT STRAIGHT ACROSS WE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE NOT HAD AN ISR ISSUE. BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A NATURAL BACKYARD LINE UPON POINT THREE A SNIPPET IN THERE CAUSING UNDUE HARDSHIP. REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY.

LIKE MANY FOLKS IN THE COUNTY THE JIM BROWNS MOVE TO ENJOY THE THINGS THAT FLORIDA BRINGS.

BEACHES, GOOD FOOD THE RESTAURANT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT. AND A BEAUTIFUL POOL WITH PALM TREES. I CAN TELL YOU SOMEONE WHO WORKED WITH THOUSANDS.

PEOPLE COME HERE WE HAVE A LOT OF MIGRANTS FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THEY WANT TO MOVE TO FLORIDA, A POOL AND WANT PALM TREES, RIGHT? I FEEL WITH MOST I FEEL AS WITH MOST THIS SITUATION IS AN UNDUE HARDSHIP NOT FAMILY IN RELATIONSHIP THE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT AGAIN LEANING ON 70% RATIO FOR THE MAJORITY.

LASTLY, THE VARIANCE WOULD NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE.

WE CAN ALL AGREE I BUILT 700 POOLS BEFORE I WENT IT DESIGN. CODE IS IMPERATIVE FOR ORDER IN OUR COMMUNITIES. NOT ONLY AM I IN A SALE CAPACITY FOR THE COMPANY I WORK FOR I HAVE MY OWN LICENSE. SO -- IT IS IMPORTANT. WE NEED THE CODES TO ENSURE PROSPERITY IN THE COUNTY AND FLORIDA. AFTER BEING INVOLVED IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OVER THOUSAND PROJECTS I SAY THAT THIS PROJECT DOES NOT GO AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT NOR HOA AS PARTS OF OUR APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE HOA TO HAVE APPROVAL FROM THEM.

WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

AND I YIELD MY TIME BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK.

>> YOU DO. I DIDN'T SEE YOU. GO AHEAD.

>> UM -- ONE QUESTION THE HOA. PRETTY MUCH THAT WILL GO BEFORE THEM FOR APPROVAL.

THE QUESTION IS PRESERVE YOUR YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT WETLANDS?

BACK THERE? >> YEA I WILL REVISIT MY SLIDE I WANT TO -- HARD TO TELL.

>> YEP. IN THE PACKAGE WE HAVE. GOOD POINT.

SEE IF I CAN FINDS IT ON THE SITE PLAN. I KNOW THERE IS AN UP LAND BUFFER PAST THE PROPERTY LINE. PERHAPS MY LANGUAGE IN YARD MAY BE HIDING THE VERBAGE.

WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU IN SHORT ORDER.

>> THE REASON I ASK WILL THERE BE A RETAINING WALL THAT WILL AFFECT THE WETLANDS THE WAY THE PROPERTY DROPS OFF. IS THERE A RETAINING WALL THAT WILL BE

>> YEA. YOU GOTTA RAISE IT. >> THERE WILL BE SO -- THE PORCH ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY STEPS DOWN 12 WINCHES AND WE HAVE NATURAL SLOPE THAT GOES OUT TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE A TURN DOWN FOOTER THAT IS WHAT WE PUT IN OUR PERMIT PACK AND THE REASON WE ARRIVED AT THIS POINT.

A TURN DOWN FOOTER MEANING CONCRETE FOOTER UP TO 24 INCHES IN HEIGHT FROM ACTUAL GRADE.

>> OKAY. >> AND PART I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS BUT PART OF OUR INSPECTION PROCESS IS HAVING A LAW GRADE INSPECTION COMPLETED BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE POOL.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. MS. SPIEGEL? >> I'M SORRY TO MR. LABANOWSKI

I SEE AN APPROVAL FROM THE HOA. >> ANYONE ELSE? IT DOES NOT APPEAR THERE WAS ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS FROM THE PUBLIC? WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. MISS PERKINS? 202601 THE FAMILY POOL BASED ON

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PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE ARE ON ITEMS 3 AND 4. WHICH I BELIEVE WILL BE HEARD CONCURRENTLY THIS IS THE ZONING VARIANCE FOR MAIN STREET PIZZA IN HASTINGS. AND EX PARTE FIRST?

MS. SPIEGEL? >> THANK YOU, SIR, YES , I DID A SITE VISIT.

HAD A PHONE CALL TRIEDED REACH OUT TO THE BAPTIST CHURCH ABOUT DID NOT GET A RESPONSE AND SPOKE TO A PASTOR'S WIFE IN A DIFFERENT CHURCH ASKING THEIR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> MR. -- GO AHEAD.

>> [LAUGHTER]. AND E MAIL FROM MOUNT OLIVE BAPTIST CHURCH WE RECEIVED

BEFORE MEETING. MR. LABANOWSKI. >> I VISITED THE SITE AND I RECEIVED AN E MAIL THROUGH STAFF. I TALKED WITH BEN FROM FIRST

BAPTIST CHURCH WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT. >> NO OTHER EX PARTE MR. GLASS

THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> MR. CHAIR. I HAVE MY GREEN LIGHT ON.

>> IT IS IN THE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN I DON'T KNOW WHY, SORRY. THERE YOU GO.

>> OKAY. YES , I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND -- THE PROPERTIES ALONG HASTINGS MAIN STREET. I'M I HAVE BEEN WATCHING IT OVER THE PAST I GUESS, 6-7 YEARS BECAUSE I STARTED BICYCLING REGULARLY IN THAT AREA. AND -- THAT'S ABOUT IT.

I KNOW IT WELL. >> OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. MR. GLASS. THANK YOU FOR OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. WE SEEKING A ZONING VARIANCE IN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

FOR TO ALLOW THE ON SIGHT SAIL AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVER AMMINGS WITH THE RESTAURANT LOCATED IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS MAIN STREET PIZZA 125 NORTH MAIN STEET IN HASTINGS, FLORIDA THE REQUEST REQUESTOR ZONING VARIANCE IS THE SAME AS THE SPECIAL USE. HERE ARE THE LOCATION MAP HERE.

AND HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND I BELIEVE I HAVE AN ARIAL MAP. ZONING MAP. OKAY.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANT TO POINT OUT. I HAVE NOT PUT THIS AS A SLIDE BUT RIGHT OVER HERE, IS THE DOLLAR GENERAL. AND THEY DO SERVE BEER AND WINE 24 HOURS A DAY OUT OF THAT LOCATION. WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS A POINT. OKAY. SO, I'M THE OWNER OF MAIN STREET PIZZA. WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL TO SERVE BEER AND WINE.

2COP LICENSE NO ANY IN FULL LIQUOR WITH OUR FAMILY PIZZA RESTAURANTS AND ICE CREAM THE CURRENT CHALLENGES WITHIN A THOUSAND FEETS OF A PLACE OF WORSHIP.

IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HASTINGS INSPECT DOWNTOWN HASTINGS, ALMOST EVERY THERE IS MULTIPLE CHURCHES THERE ALMOST EVERY BUSINESS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A CHURCH.

IT DOES MAKE THIS QUITE A HARDSHIP FOR RESTAURANTS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF AREA.

OUR GOAL IS TO CONTRIBUTES TO THE ECONOMIC VITALITY TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE COMMUNITY CAN GATHER AND PARTICIPATE IN A GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING IN HASTINGS. SO, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS KNOW THIS BETTER THAN I DO THE CODE RESTRICTS ALCOHOL SALE. WE ARE FULLY RESPECT THE PROTECTIONS. WE HAVE OPENED A DIALOGUE WITH THE CHURCH.

THERE ARE A MEMBER OF PEOPLE HERE IN OPPOSITION. WE ARE DEDICATED TO BEING FAN TAFT BEING NEIGHBOR AND RESPONSIBLE SHOULD WE BE GRANTED THESE VARIANCE AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT. TO THE AFFECT THAT SHOULD YOU ALL APPROVE THIS, THAT I WOULD

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LIMITING OUR ABILITY TO HAVE PEOPLE ENJOY THEIR MEAL HAVE A BEER OR WINE AS A COMPLIMENT I BELIEVE IS UNDUE HARDSHIP WHEN WE ARE THERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK EVER WEEK.

IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A BAR FOCUSED ATMOSPHERE WE EMPHASIZE FOOD SALES ALCOHOL A COMPLIMENT.

COMPLIANT WITH ALL REGULATIONS WHICH HADDING HOURS, SIGNAGE AND MAKING SURE OR STAFF AND TEAM ARE TRAINED AND RESPONSIBLE SERVICE. THIS REQUEST IS NARROWLY TAILORED TO ENHANCE NOT DETRACT FROM THE COMMUNITY. HASTINGS MAIN STREET IS UNDER GOING QUITE A REVIVAL. THERE IS A MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION THAT IS HAS DONE GREAT THING DOWNTOWN VACANCY DROPPED 80% OR WAS THE VACANCY RATE WAS 80 PERCENT IN 2023 NOW ALMOST 90% OCCUPIED. NEW BUSINESSES YOU GOT THE TECHNICAL COLLEGE GOING IN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PROBABLY WANT TO OPEN A RESTAURANT AND GIVE THE AREA MORE OPPORTUNITY. WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BE AN ANCHOR FOR THIS REVIVAL.

OFFER FAMILY FRIENDLY DINING. HOSTING EVENTS AND SPECIAL OCCASIONS RESPONSIBLY.

AND DRAWING OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY IN THEIR OWN TOWN AS OPPOSED TO GO TO SAINT AUGUSTINE AND I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT DRIVING AND DRINKING AS THERE IS WITH EVERY ESTABLISH AM BUT CERTAINLY IT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE STAYED IN OUR OWN TOWN THAN TRAVERSING THE WHOLE COUNT LOOKING IF ARE A PLACE TO ENJOY AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.

WE BELIEVE THAT IS IMPORTANT. CREATING THE TAX REVENUE AND ALSO SPURRING IS THAT REVITALIZATION WHICH CAN BE BIG FOR THE CITY OF HASTINGS. YEP.

SO -- I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS A BIT REDUNDANT. THIS IS THE SUMMARY.

WE WANT TO LOCAL GATHERING PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COME AND ENJOY THEMSELVES.

AND BOOST THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. HAVE PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAY IS ENJOY THEMSELVES, WALK DOWN THE STREET. SEE WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING IN HASTINGS. AND I THINK THAT IN ORDER FOR HASTINGS TO REALLY DEVELOP ECONOMICALLY SOMEBODY HAS TO BURST THIS BUBBLE AND ALLOW SOME TYPE ENTERTAINMENT IN THE TOWN OR IT TELL KIND OF PROBABLY STAY A LITTLES BITS ECONOMICALLY UNDER DEVELOPED IN MY OPINION.

SO, WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN TO THIS RESPONSIBLY AS GOOD NEIGHBORS AND YOU KNOW THIS IS IN THE THE PRIMARY DRAW OF WHAT WE DO WE MAKE AMAZING PIZZA IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN CHECK US OUT WE WANT TO PROMOTE THAT RESPONSIBLY AND SIMPLY HAVE MORE OPTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO -- WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, I THINK EVERYBODY IS STANDING UP HERE WOULD SAY THAT.

SO -- WE BASKETBALL WE ARE COMMITTED OUR FAMILY INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY.

TO BE A GOOD STEWARD TO BE A GOOD COMMUNITY MEMBER AND HELP THE GROWTH OF HASTINGS AND OBVIOUSLY WE BELIEVE THIS IS A STEP TOWARD A MORE VIBRANT AND ENTERTAINING ECONOMICALLY DIVERSE HASTINGS. WE REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL TO ALLOW BEER AND WINE SERVICE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND -- IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS I

WILL TAKE THEM. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. GREEN? DO YOU SERVE ANYTHING BESIDES PIZZA.

>> YEA. PASTA, WE GOT SUBS, WINGS. SALADS.

WE HAVE ICE CREAM PRETTY MUCH A FULL SCOOP OF ICE CREAM PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY AS WELL.

>> I THINK I SAW YOUR OPERATING HOURS WERE IT IS 11-9, YEA. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE EXTENDING HOURS. WE DON'T -- THIS WILL NOT ENLARGE OR OPERATION OR CHANGE

ANYTHING AS WE DO. >> SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. >> YES , SIR.

>> CURIOUS >> THANK YOU. >> PLUS THIS TELL CREATE JOB IN

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OPENS IN 2024 I PURCHASED IN SEPTEMBER OF 25. WHAT WAS -- SO -- I'M THE

SECOND. FAIRLY NEW FOR YOU. >> CORRECT.

>> YOU ARE LOCAL HOAR? >> WE LIVE IN KNOCKTEE. YOU ARE MANAGING IT FROM THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT. SKWOO THANK YOU. WANTED BACKGROUND.

>> MR. LABANOWSKI. IS THERE AN OUT DOOR DINING. YES.

IT IS ACTUALLY ONLY DINING IS OUTSIDE IT IS ON A DECK. AND UNDER COVER.

WE DON'T HAVE INDOOR DINING. YOU HAD MEETINGS WITH BOTH CHURCHES?

>> WELL I'M ONLY A THOUSAND FEET FROM THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.

SO THE OTHER MOUNT OLIVE THEY ARE DOWN ROAD THEY ARE NOT IN OUR PROXIMITY.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT I NEEDED TO REACH OUT TO THEM. >> THE METHODIST CHURCH IS 485 FEET AWAY. I DID NOT MEET WITH THE METHODIST CHURCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> NO. >> ALL RIGHT.

YOU STATED THAT THE DOLLAR GENERAL ACROSS THE STREET SERVES BEER AND WINE.

>> YES , SIR. >> I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THAT DOLLAR GENERAL IN AWHILE.

I WAS NOT AWARE THEY SERVED ALCOHOL. >> THEY SELL IT.

>> THEY SELL IT. >> THEY SELL IT. >> NOT LIKE A -- ALL RIGHT I

THOUGHT YOU SAID SERVED. >> WELL. FORGIVE ME.

YES. THEY SELL IT. >> IT STATES IN THE LETTER WE GOT FROM THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH HASTINGS THEY HAVE SERVICES WITH CHILDREN PRESENT PER WEEK. SO -- HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT.

IP OPEN TO WORKING WITH THEM. YOU KNOW. SO -- WITH WHETHER OR NOT YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MY UNDERSTANDING IT IS WEDNESDAY NIGHTS AND SUNDAYS.

SO -- I'M HAPPY TOP COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM WE DON'T SERVE DURING THOSE TIMES.

YOU KNOW. OKAY. I'M VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT.

NOT A PROBLEM. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> IF NOT WE OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, YOU GOT 3 MINUTES COME UP TO ONE OF THE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LET US HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. I'M BENCH MIN PASTOR OF ADMINISTRATION FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HASTING IT IS I HAVE A LETTER WITH 58 SIGNATURES ON THIS. PLANNING AND ZONE AGENCY WE ARE READY TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO THE VARIANCE. OF THE LANDS DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOW EFFICIENT SALE OF ALCOHOL WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF AN ESTABLISH CHURCH. SEPARATION REQUIREMENT ESTABLISHED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SERVES A PURPOSE REFLECTSA COMMUNITY STANDARD DESIGNS TO MAINTAIN COMPAT ABILITY WITH LAND USE. PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND ROLE THAT CHURCH SERVE. GRANTINGA VARIANCE WOULD UNDER MINE THAT PURPOSE AND SET A PRECEDENTS FOR FUTURE REQUESTS OF A SIMILAR NATURE.

ALLOWING THE SALE OF ALCOHOL IN CLOSE PRONGIMITY TO A CHURCH RAISING CONCERN REGARDING SAFETY. WE HAVE MORE THAN 100 CHILDREN SPECIAL YOUTH ON OUR CAMPUS EVERY WEDNESDAY. IN ADDITION TO REGULAR WEEKEND SERVICE AND ACTIVITIES.

DURING TIMES, THERE IS VEHICLE TRAFFIC. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISK IMPAIRED DRAFING AND DRUNKEN BEHAVIOR. APPLICANT ARGUE THEY ARE FAMILY FRIENDLY IT IS NOT THE CHARACTER OF THE OPERATOR THE ISSUE IS WHETHER STANDARD IN OUR CODE SHOULD BE SET ASIDE IF WE GRANT VARIANCES WE WEAK EN THE CHARACTER OF THE CODE AND A PRECEDENT DIFFICULT TO DEFEND IN THE FUTURE. PROVIDE REW LEAVE IN TRUE HARDSHIP NOT CONVENIENCE. THERE IS IN THE A HARD SHIP. FOR THESE REASONS WE URGE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY TO DENY THE REQUESTED VARIANCE ANDUP HOLD THE INTEND OF THE LAND DEVELOPENT CODE TO RESPECT PRESERVE ZONING PRACTICES AND CHARACTER AND VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

T MEMBERS OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HASTINGS.

>> I KNOW HE OFFERED TO NOT SELL DURING CERTAIN TIMES WE ARE NEARING COMPLETION OF

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WE INTEND TO USE THAT WOULD ABOUTING DURING THE WEEK NOT JUST SUNDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> I'M PASTOR KENT HALLOWAY WITH MOUNT OLIVE BAPTIST CHURCH I'M IN SUPPORT OF PANAMA RIVER FIRST BAPTIST HASTINGS. WE ARE MOTHER CHURN OF FOR THE BAPTIST.

WE ARE VERY PROUD TO SERVE WITH THEM IN THE COMMUNITY OF HASTINGS.

THE PASTOR SAID WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. EXCEPT FOR I WANT TO REEMPHASIZE SOMETHING ON PRECEDENT. MY CONCERN MY BIG OF CONCERNS IS ALLOWING FOR THE VARIANCE DOES SET A TROUBLING PRECEDENT FOR OTHER CHURCHES WITHIN ST.JOHN'S COUNTY.

AND THE YOU KNOW ANY RESTAURANTS THAT MAY BE NEAR THEM.ING TO HAVE A SIMILAR TYPE OF VARIANCE.

SO, CHURCHES WHETHER THA THEIR DOOSHS ARE OPEN YOU CALLED MOUNT OLIVE AND NOBODY ANSWER SAID WE DON'T HAVE A SECRETARY. I'M ON 24 HOUR A DAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING AT ALL HOURS. AT MOUNT OLIVE AND FIRST BAPTIST. IT IS NOT JUST REGULAR PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE AROUND.

IT IS ACTUALLY WE TRY TO BE THERE FOR COMMUNITY OF HASTINGS AT ANY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE.

AND SO THEREFORE, OUR DOORS WITH BE OPENED ANY TIME. FOR ANYTHING.

AND SO I WANT THAT TOA CONSIDERATION WHEN Y'ALL MAKE YOUR DECISION.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON I'M CHRIS STANTON. 111 WEST LATIN STREET.

THIRD GENERATION RESIDENT IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M HERE BEFORE YOU LIKE I WAS IN OCTOBER, WHY HAVE A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? WHY WHEN THEY ARE NOT ENFORCED.

IN OCTOBER, I BROUGHT UP THE SAME ISSUE. YOU VOTED DOWN THEN YOUR ATTORNEY ASKED YOU TO COME WITH CONDITIONS SPECIAL YOU APPROVED IT. I SIT HER TODAY, THAT PROPERTY THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE SINCE OCTOBER SINCE YOU APRUFRED.

HERE WE ARE AGAIN SAME BLOCK NOW LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE. I FEEL LIKE I'M UNDER CONSTANT ASSAULT THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF MY PROPERTY DOES NOT MEET THE CODE.

THE PROPERTY THAT I WAS HERE IN OCTOBER, DOES NOT MEET THE CODE. HERE IS ANOTHER PROPERTY WHICH I RECEIVED A NOTICE I'M AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND ASKING FOR A VARIANCE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT INSTEAD OF GIVING VARIANCES WE SHOULD ADDRESSING CODES.

THEY GOTTA BE THERE FOR A REASON. AND YOU GUYS ARE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE. OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF ST.JOHN'S COUNTY IN MY OPINION, IS INEFFECTIVE. BECAUSE YOU FILE A CODE COMPLAINT AND THEY DO NOTHING. DON'T ISSUE FINES. DON'T MAKE CHANGES.

ALL THEY DO LIKE PROPERTY BEHIND ME IS COACH PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS AN ABSENTEE OWNER LIKE THIS PROPERTY OWNER. AND COACH THEM HOW TO GET AROUND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

I KNOWLEDGE THAT WITH YOU GUYS BEING THE FIRST LINE DEFENSE, YOU NEED TO STEP UP.

AND YOU KNOW00 OOP WE READ EVERY DAY ABOUT LAWSUITS AGAINST ST.JOHN'S COUNTY.

AS A TAXPAYER I HATE SEEING OUR TAX DOLLARS GO OUT IN LAWSUITS BECAUSE OF DECISIONS MADE WHETHER THIS AGENCY THE COUNTS COMMISSION OR WHOM EVER. SO -- I MEAN WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND CHANGE THE CODE OR ENFORCE THE CODE. TO ME IT IS SIMPLE AS THAT.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

I LIVE AT 408 EAST COCHRAN IN HASTINGS. I'M THERE IN THE DOWNTOWN METRO.

I'M HERE IN FAVOR OF A VARIANCE FOR MAIN STREET PIZZA. IT WILL GREATLY IMPROVE THEIR CHANCES OF SUCCESS. NOW, THEY POINTED OUT IN THE CODE THAT IS NOT FOR FINANCIAL GAIN THEY ARE NOT FOR THAT. WHICH CAN OVER LOOK THAT. IT WILL BE RECOGNIZED HASTINGS IS REALLY ON A DEVELOPING TRACK. IN 85 A TERRIBLE FIRE IN 13 BUSINESSES WERE LOST.

THEN PEOPLE STARTED TO MOVE OUT. SCHOOLS WERE CLOSED. MORE PEOPLE MOVED OUT.

IN 2017 THEY MADE A HARD DECISION TO END THEIR TOWNSHIP AND IT BECAME A RESPONSIBLE OF ST.JOHN'S COUNTY. IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THE TOWN OF HASTINGS AS A RURAL COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER AND DEVELOPING AND PROTECTING ITSELF FROM BEING OVER DEVELOPED.

AND THE NICE RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN IS JUST A REAL BENEFIT. I SEE THE TRAFFIC THERE A LOT.

IT IS NOT A BAR THEY SERVE AMAZING ITALIAN FOOD. PIZZA IS GREAT FOR THOSE WHO WANT A BEER OR WINE AND PIZZA IT IS A SHAME THAT THE CODE IS DISALLOWS THAT.

THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS NECESSARY AND VARIANCES ARE ALLO ALLOWABLE. CONSIDER A VARIANCE YOU HAVE A SMALL TOWN THROUGH A TERRIBLE TIME AND ON ITS WAY BACK. TELL BE A GREAT PLACE AND THE COMMUNITY THERE IS NOT A WILD COMMUNITY. THEY ARE OPEN UNTIL 9 P.M. MOST OF US ARE IN BED BY THEN.

IT IS IN THE A BIG DRINK TRG PLACE. I FEEL THE CHURCHES AND THE RESTAURANTS IN THE COMMUNITY WE CAN ALL GET ALONG. I WOULD ASK YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER THE VARIANCE IN FAVOR OF MAIN STREET PIZZA. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU. >> HELLO I'M SALLY O'HARA I'M A RESIDENT 55 QUEER YEARS IN ST.JOHN'S COUNTY AND WORKED WITH NONPROFITS 3520 KINGS ROAD. WORK WITHED FRIENDS OF A1A AND FOCUS IMPROVEMENT AND EXPANSION TO AN ALL AMERICAN ROAD AS WELL AS MAIN STREET IN DEVELOPING THEIR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. IT IS A MODEST REQUEST. AND IT HAS NO IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY. EVERAS FAR AS IT RELATES TO HASTING'S COMMUNITY.

THE ISSUE OF SELLING BEER AND WINE, THIS IS NOT AN ESTABLISH AM HASTINGS MAIN STREET -- PIZZA IS NOT A BAR SELLING TYPE SITUATION. IT IS A FAMILY EATING GATHERING.

AND IT IS ENHANCES THE ECONOMIC IMROVE AM OF THE DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT RUNS FROM SOUTH OF MAIN STREET DOWN BY THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL AT GEORGE MIDDLE ROAD UP ST.JOHN'S IN THAT AREA THERE ARE SIX CHURCHES. SO EVER EVERY WHERE YOU TURN THERE IS A CHURCH.

WE ALL AS A COMMUNITY ARE A COLLABORATIVE AND WORK TO IMPROVE ACTIVITIES AS BEST WE CAN. SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT CURRENT OWNER OF MAIN STREET PIZZA WILL WORK VIGILENTLY WITH FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. AS WELL AS THE METHODIST AND OTHER CHURCHES TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THIS ESTABLISHMENT IT IS A COMP ELEMENTARY SERVICE. YOU WILL SEE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT SERVE BEER AND WINE THIS IS NOT AN ABNORMAL REQUEST. THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT ASK HASTINGS IT CHANGE ITS VALUE ITS ASKS WHETHER THE FAMILY RESTAURANT SERVING A LEGAL PRODUCT WITH MEAL SYSTEM COMPATIBLE WITH THIS HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. AND IT IS VERY COMPATIBLE.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MR. HUNT? GOOD EVEN, CHARLIE HUNT HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IT A DEFINITE FACT THAT IF YOU GO AND HAVE A FEW BEER YOU WILL NOT HURT ANYBODY WHEN YOU DRIVE? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT FACT RIGHT THERE IT TAKE TWO. TAKE ONE. IN A WAY IF YOU ARE ON MEDICATION. SO -- THE ASPECT OF IT WILL NOTE HURT ANYBODY -- HAVEN'T BEEN THERE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYBODY OR GOT SOME FACTUAL SCIENTIFIC AGENDA SHOWING IT IS IMPOSSIBLE AM FAMILIAR YOU COMPARE HASTINGS TO CRESCENT BEACH, THAT IS TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS.

YOU DON'T SEE EVERYONE WANT TO HANG OUT ASK LIVE IN HASTINGS. AND Y'ALL KNOW AS MANY TIMES I HAVE BEEN UP HERE ESTABLISHMENTS NEXT TO SCHOOLS OR CHURCHES WITHIN THAT VARIATION.

I KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN IN HERE MANY TIMES AGAINST THEM. BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE ASPECT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE I ALWAYS BRING UP. AND YES, THERE HAS BEEN SOME THAT THE LIQUOR STORE, IT GOT APPROVED NEXT TO THE CHURCH. AND THE OTHER I CALL IT LIQUOR STORE GOT APPROVED AND WAS NEXT TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL. SO THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA LOOK AT.

IF HASTINGS WANTS TO BE THE LITTLE TOWN, OKAY. FINE.

I LIVED OUT IN LOUISIANA THE PERISH I LIVED IN WAS ONE FACILITY IN THAT PERISH.

THAT YOU COULD BUY ALCOHOL AND YOU HAD TO CONSUME IT ON SITE. THAT WAS THE VFW.

YOU TELL ME THEY WILL HAVE A VFW WITH NO ALCOHOL SERVED THERE. THEY HAD TO.

BUT LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS. THIS IS THAT LITTLE TOWN. WHAT IS LIKE THATINGS TOWNEEN THOUGH THEY ARE TRYING TO BRING IT BACK. STRUGGLING SO HARD IT IS GREAT DUNKIN' DOUGHNUT SYSTEM ON ACORN ARE MAKE ITS LOOK LIKE A SMALL TOWN.

LIKE -- WE HAVE REPRESENTATION OF CHURCH NEXT TO IT THE AND OTHER CHURCH WAS NOT APPROACHED THINK OF IT AS THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE FEEL ARE -- HASTINGS FLORIDA. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE CHARGE TO THE ORDINANCE. AND ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN AFFECT FOR EONS.

AND -- THE SHORTEST WAY TO -- SAY THIS IS IF IT IS NOT BROKE DON'T LUCKS IT.

WE HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I APOLOGIZE BEFORE I HAVE A COLD MY VOICE IS ROUGH. GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD MEMBER I'M JENNA DENNIS I AM SPEAKING TODAY AS A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER IS PROPERTY OWNER. SOMEONE WHO'S INVOLVED IN ACTIVE IN THE HASTINGS COMMUNITY. FIRST AND FOREMOST OUR COMMUNITY IS GRATEFUL FOR THIS LOCAL FAMILY THEY INVESTED TIME, RESOURCES IS HEART IN BELLING A RESTAURANT AND ICE CREAM SHOP WHERE PEOPLE GATHER. THE COMMITMENT REPRESENTS THE SMALL BUSINESS WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN HASTINGS. AS WE WORK TO STRENGTHEN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

SOMEONE WHO OPERATES BUSINESSES IN HASTINGS I UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT

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BECAUSE OF NUMBER OF CHURCHES ON EVERY MAIN STREET THERE ARE NO BUILDING THAT FALL OUTSIDE THE THOUSAND FOOT REQUIREMENTS. THESE REGULATIONS WERE NOT DESIGNED WITH HISTORIC RURAL TOWN IN MIND. I AM NOT A BIG DRINKER I BELIEVE ADULTLESS IN COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE TO ENJOY A BEVERAGE IN A SAFE FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.

I DON'T CONTINUE HOW IT WORKS WITH PUTTING PARAMETER OR RESTRICTIONS.

I KNOW THE CHURCH EXPRESSED THERE ARE MANY HOUR OF THE DAY. I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN COME TOGETHER PERHAPS AN OPTION TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DRINKS A PATRON COULD ORDER COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT THEY COULD WORK TOGETHER. I KNOW THAT I HAD JUST FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY A LOT OF PEOPLE DO ENJOY HAVING A GLASS OF WINE WITH DINNER.

SO, IT IS CHALLENGING. AS SOMEONE THAT I'M TORN BETWEEN THE TWO.

I HAVE A PASSION FOR CHURCH AND EVERYTHING THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY SPECIAL I ALSO FEEL LIKE MAT AND HIS FAMILY HAVE BEEN A BLESSING TO CONTINUE THE LEGACY OF MAIN STREET PIZZA.

I APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE AND THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION AS YOU MAKE A DECISION TODAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? A COUPLE MORE. I'M A RESIDENTS FOR OVER 30 YERS I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT THE LOCALS IN THE AREA WHERE THEY SIT OUTSIDE AND RELAX AND HAVE THEIR BEVERAGE AND PIZZA. I THINK IT WILL STOP THE PEOPLE FROM GOING IN TOWN AND IT WILL BE A GREAT BIT AND I WISH YOU WOULD SEE IT OUR WAY AND MOVE IT IN OUR DIRECTION.

THANK YOU. >> YES , SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON I'M CRAIG LANDS.

INE 20 COUNT ROAD 13 SOUTH IN HASTINGS. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE MAIN STREET GENTLEMEN WHO REPRESENTS MAIN STREET PIZZA. ABOUT SERVICES ONLY BEING WEDNESDAYS AND SUNDAYS. THAT IS NOT TRUE. WE DO HAVE SERBSES SERVICES WEDNESDAY AND SUNDAY AND ALSO THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. NOT EVERY DAY OF EVERY WEEK.

BUT WE DO HAVE EVENTS LIKE MOVIE NIGHT. SOMETIMES IT IS A FRIDAY NIGHT.

SOMETIMES [INAUDIBLE]. THERE ARE CHILDREN RUNNING AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND YES. WE DO TRY TO KEEP THEM SUPERVISORED AND WATCH THEM AND -- TRY TO KEEP CONTROL OVER THEM BUT CHILDREN WILL BE CHILDREN.

AND WE HAD TO GO OVER AND RUN A FEW OUT OF THE DOLLAR STORE ACROSS IT IS STREET GET THEM

WHERE THEY BELONG. >> IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAVE AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. BUT I AM APOSED TO IT IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.

IT IS DANGEROUS IN MY VIEW. WE ALL LIKE TO THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL CONSUME ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES

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NOBODY WANTS TO SEE SOMEONE COME OUT AND GET IN THEIR VEHICLE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL AND RUN OVER A CHILD OR AN ADULT FOR THAT MATTER. THEY WITHIN 50 FEET OF US.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD FIT AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I SEE ANOTHER PERSON. APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T SIGN UP.

>> THAT'S FINAL. I'M DALE BARNS. 7470 BRANCH ROAD I'M OPPOSED TO HAVING THE ALCOHOL. AT THIS ESTABLISHMENT. I GO TO THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH THERE ARE OTHER CHURCHES IN TOWN. AND I HAVE BEEN HEARD PEOPLE SAYING HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN IN HASTINGS I BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE.

I HAVE A BUSINESS IN HASTINGS. I HAVE LAND. THE FIRE YOU HEARD ABOUT IN 85 I PULLED THE FIRST HOSE ON THE TRUCK THAT FOUGHT THAT FIRE. SO -- I BEEN ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE FOR 20 YEARS UNTIL IT WAS PAID AND PIRESIGNED.

SO -- I JUST NOTHING AGAINST THE GENTLEMEN PERSONALLY. I GO THERE AND EAT.

ENJOYED HIS PIZZA AND SPAGHETTI, IT IS GOOD. BUT LUKE MR. CRAIG LANDS SAID WHEN YOU WALK OUT THE DOOR OF THE CHURCH, YOU CAN -- TALK LIGHT LOW TO SOMEBODY SITTING ON THAT PORCH. AGAIN THERE IS RULES THAT YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENS THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU STAY WITHIN THE LAW. I HAVE BEEN WE TALKED ABOUT SERVING ALCOHOL UNTIL HASTINGS I'M NOT AGAINST ANYBODY HAVING A DRINK THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS IN THEIR HOME OR WHERE IT IS LEGAL. I WENT IN ELMO CAUSELYS WHEN I WAS FOUR WITH MY DAD.

WAS NOT ALCOHOL THERE AND HAS NOT BEEN THERE. SO -- I'M JUST NOT FOR IT RIGHT

ON OUR MAIN STREET. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? >> WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION. A MOTION AND QUESTIONS. WE GET REBUTTAL.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO REBUT COMMENDS. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF YOUR VALUES AND THE CHURCH. SHOULD WE BE GRANTED THIS I WOULD WORK TOGETHER. THAT IS WHAT OUR INTENTION IS. WHAT IT HAS BEEN.

I THINK IF YOU YOU KNOW IF TR IS AN INTEREST IN SEEING REVIELTHATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF HASTINGS. MAY BE IT WOULD NOT BE US AT SOME POINT LIKE ANY DOWNTOWN, I THINK THERE IS A BIT OF AN OPENING AND VARIANCE ALLOWS. WE ARE HERE TO BE RESPONSIBLE, GREAT NEIGHBORS. I UNDERSTANDS BUT 59 THAT CODE FOR A DIFFERENT TIME AND PLACE AND TIME TO UPDATE IT A BIT AND PROVIDE THIS VARIANCE AND SPECIAL USE.

THAT IS, THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU.

LISTEN TO THE TESTIMONY AND -- JUST BROUGHT BRING FORWARD SOME OF SORT OF LARGE ARE CONSECT TEXT, THOUGHTS. WHAT WE HAVE COME TO BELIEVE FROM MY EXPERIENCES IS -- THAT

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I THINK WHAT MAY BE HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED TODAY IS -- I THINK THAT HASTINGS THAT IS NOW A DEPOPULATED CITY, HAS GREAT OPPORTUNITY IF THE MAIN STREET ENVIRONMENT REVIVES AND BECOME MORE VITAL. FOR RESIDENCE ADDITIONAL RENAISSANCE.

I SEE WHEN I AM THERE A LOT OF VERY UNDERUTILIZED LAND RIGHT AROUND THAT CENTRAL AREA OF HASTINGS. IT IS GOOD ALTERNATIVE TO THE OTHER WAYS THE COUNTY IS DEVELOPING. RESIDENTIAL BY TAKING FARMLAND. AND BUILD HOUSING AND CREATE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS IN HASTINGS. IF THAT CAN HAPPEN IT LEADS TO HELPING EVERYONE A VITAL COMMUNITY. ALL BUSINESSES ASK CHURCHING THAT ARE OPERATING IN THE AREA CHURCHES ARE ALWAYS THEIR LIFE IS DEPENDANT NEW FAMILIES COMING IN AND BECOMING MEMBERS IN WORSHIPPING WITH THEM. DINE IN PIZZA OR RESTAURANT PLACE.

WITHOUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO HAVE IF THEY WANTED A GRASS OF BEER OR WINE.

WE HEARD THAT THIS IS NOT GOING IT BE A BAR IT IS A RESTAURANT THAT PROBABLY IN ORDER TO SUCCESSFUL NEEDS TO PROVIDE THAT OPTION FOR DINEERS THAT WANT IT. MORE SPECIFIC IN THIS CAN BE CHALLENGED IS THAT I LOOK AT THE PARAGRAPHS OF THE RECOGNIZE THAT -- NOT A HUGE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO CHURCH AND PRESIDENT -- RESTAURANT. THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS WITH THE STREET IN THE MIDDLE AND THE WAY THE PARKING IS CONFIGURED. THERE IS NOT AT LOT OF PARENTS PATRONS FROM THE RESTAURANT WILL NECESSARILY SPILL TO THE SIDE STREET.

THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT HAD MAY BE A NICE MEAL OR LUNCH OR DINNER AND WILL GO TO THEIR CARS TO PARKING. SO -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS LEADS TO.

IT IS NOT SPECIAL EASY -- DECISION. I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS RESTAURANT HAVE BEER AND WINE WITH MEALS.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO -- COMMENT? MS. SPIEGEL?

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING I LOVE SEE COMMUNITIES BE INVOLVED.

OKAY. I'M -- ALWAYS GOING TO SIDE WITH CHURCHESES AND GOD THAT'S MY HOUSE I UNDERSTAND WE LIVE IN A WORLD AND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENTS AND OPINIONS ABOUT ALLOWABLE BEHAVIOR. I HAVE WILL A PROBLEM WITH THE IDEA THE ONLY WAY HASTINGS MAIN STREET WILL THRIVE IS IF WE ALLOW ALCOHOL IN. THAT BOTHERS ME.

I DID APPRECIATE MRS. DAVES AND MS. O' HARE I WONDERED HOW THEY FELT THERE IS ON THE FENCE

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THE CODE SAYS A THOUSAND FEET THIS IS 49 FEET NOT EVEN 50 THE CODE IS IN THE FAVOR HERE.

I LOVE HASTINGS AND LOVE IT IT IS BEING REVITALIZED I GET EXCITED WHEN I'M THERE I FEEL THE OTHER SPECIAL OF THE PLACE COMING ALIVE. IT IS WONDERFUL.

IT SEEMS THIS A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN A VARIANCE ESPECIALLY USE PERMIT ALLOWED HERE TODAY.

AND I KNOW THIS IS STEPPING OUT OF OUR PURVIEW I ALWAYS WANT TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNICATION.

COMMUNITY HAS GOT TO COMMUNICATE. AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A COME TO JESUS MEETING ABOUT WHAT WORKS. WHAT WILL FIT. PHOTOCOPY YOU GOT CHURCHES ON EVERY CORN ARE HASTINGS KINDS DOES THAT IS GREAT BUT THEN NOT EVERYBODY IS UNFORTUNATELY WISH EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO CHURCH INSTEAD WANTING TO HAVE BEER OR WINE.

IF WE COULD JUST FIGURE OUT WHERE DOES THE COMMUNITY SEE THIS GOING? AND IT IS IN THE A MATTER JUST GETTING MY OWN WAY AND DEMANDING THAT EVERYONE HAS TO THINK YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE MORALITY UPON EVERYBODY HAS TO THINK THE WAY I DO NOW OUR CODE SAYS NO.

I WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS FOR THAT REASON. BUT IF COMMUNITY THAT'S MY VOTE I DON'T KNOW HOW MY COLLEAGUES WILL VOTE. I THINK THIS IS REALLY YOU ARE AT A CRISIS POINT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF HASTINGS SOME PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE SEEN HERE HAVE A PASSION ARE FOR THIS AND SOME HAVE A PASSION ARE AGAINST THIS.

THERE NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATION OTHERWISE TELL TURN TO US VERSUS THEM OPPOSITIONAL FORCE.

THAT IS THE NOGOING TO BE HELPFUL FOR YOUR COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS. I HONOR THE WORK THAT THE APPLICANT IS DOING. I APPRECIATE THE FACT HE IS COMING FROM RUNNING THIS LITTLE RESTAURANT DOWN THERE. APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT THIS IS THE ONLY RESTAURANT THERE IS THERE. AND I DO HOPE THERE MORE WILL COME.

I DON'T SEE THE LONGEVITY AND THE LEG BEHIND IT TO HAVE SOMETHING.

CONVINCING ME ENOUGH TO NOT JUST GO WITH WHAT CODE SAYS. I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK. I WILL SAY I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZING HASTINGS. CERTAINLY.

THAT'S A GOAL. SHOULD BE A GOAL OF COUNTY. BUT AND I HAVE VOTED FOR OTHER VOCABULARYING VARIANCES SPECIAL USE PERMITS OF ESTABLISH AMS TO SERVE ALCOHOL.

THAT WERE LES THAN 1,000 FEET FROM A CHURCH BUT USUALLY THERE WAS SOME PHYSICAL BARRIER.

LARGE FORESTED BLOCK OR -- SOMETHING ELSE THAT OBSCURED THE VIEW OR MADE THE DISTANCE SEEM LARGE ARE. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. THIS IS ONLY 49 FEET.

THIS IS A -- TOUGH TOW GET OVER 49 FEET. IF IT WERE 5 HUH 595 BUT -- IT IS JUST TOO CLOSE. AND MOST THE ONES I VOTEDOD THIS FAVOR OF BEFORE THE CHURCH THAT WAS AFFECTED DID NOT VOICE OPPOSITION. TO IT.

AND NOW CHURCH IS VOICING OPPOSITION. BEGIN THOSE FACTORS YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THIS ITEM. SO. I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST IT.

ANYONE ELSE? >> MY LIGHT IS ON. I THINK THIS CODE THE PART OF OUR CODE IS MORE STRICT THAN A LOT OF COUNTIES AROUND HERE A THOUSAND FEET IS IN MY OPINION TOO STRICT. IT IS JUST I DON'T AGREE WITH THE CODE, IF THIS WERE A PACKAGED OR LIQUOR STORE THEN -- I WOULD HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THIS BEING A SMALLER RESTAURANT DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THEM COMING IN AND ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. SEEMS LIKE IT IS I MOM AND POP PLACE TO HAVE PIZZA.

I DON'T SEE PARENTS ARE PEOPLE ABUSING THAT NOW. THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS THE CASE BUT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE ABUSING YOU KNOW OVER INDULGING IN WINE AND BEER YOU HAVE THAT ACROSS

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>> GOOD POINTS. ANYONE ELSE? >> ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. MATOVINA'S LIGHT WAS ON FIRST.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON APPROVE VARIANCE 2025-32 MAIN STREET PIZZA BASED ON 6 FINDINGS FACT

AND CONDITIONS IN THE REPORT. >> OKAY. WE HAD A SECOND FROM MS. PERKINS MS. SPIEGELMENTED TO SPEAK AND RETRACTD AND MR. OLSON. MS. PERKINS BEAT YOU TO IT BY A

HAIR >> A MOTION. TO APPROVE.

SO. MR. MATOVINA ANOTHER COMMENT? >> NO.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TIME TO VOTE.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES 4-3. SO THE PERMIT IS GRANTED. I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE NEXT

IF THAT IS OKAY. >> YES, PLEASE ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAIN STREET PIZZA BASED UPON 8 FINDINGS OF FACT

ASK 11 CONDITIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION. >> SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> OKAY. A MOTION AND A SECOND. TO APPROVE.

TIME TO VOTE. AGAIN THAT PASSES 4-3 THE PERMIT IS GRANTED.

SO -- THAT CONCLOUDS THE MEETING. EXCEPT FOR STAFF REPORTS.

[Staff Reports]

[Agency Reports]

TO BRING THAT IN COMPLIANCE? THAT IS DISTURBING. I HOPED SOMEBODY COULD LOOK INTO

IS THAT PROMPTLY. >> YES , SIR, I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY. IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT APPLICATION HAD A 90 DAY CLEAN UP WINDOW. AS PART OF THE VARIANCE CONDITION.

THAT 90 DAY SYSTEM OVER AT THIS POINT. IT DID ROUND OUT TOWARD THE END

JANUARY. >> WE ARE HAVING A MEETING HERE IF YOU COULD TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS IN THE HALL THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. AND -- IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT GOING TO EXERCISE HIS VARIANCE ANYWAYS.

THAT HE IS INTENDING TO BUILD A CONFORMING STRUCTURE >> PLEASE KEEP YOUR CONVERSATIONS DOWN? PLEASE? CONFORMING STRUCTURE THAT MEETS SETBACKS DOES NOT NEED THE VARIANCE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE IS SUBMITTING THE PLANS SOON. HOWEVER, I'M NOT AWARE OF CURRENT CONDITION OF THE SITE I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT SITE IS AND

BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT.

ANY AGENCY REPORTS THAT WERE IN THE AGENCY NOW. I'M SORRY MR. MATOVINA YOU

WANTED TO DISCUSS AN ITEM? >> I JUST HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD A LONG TIME AND GOT A POSTCARD THAT SAID GOOD BYE YOU ARE OUT BY THE END OF OCTOBER. AND -- I JUST -- WE WILL HOPPER YOU. I WANT TO WITHOUT NOT MY INTENTION TO OFFEND ANYBODY BUT I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF OUR POWERS AND DUTIES OUT LINES IN PART 8.01 PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. AND THE MAJOR CATEGORIES OF DUTIES ARE ADD VASE REW WHICH REALLY IS WHEN WE HAVE A ZONING OUR LAND USE WE PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD COUNT COMMISSIONERS WHETHER OR NOT THE ITEM IS IN,A CORDANCE WITH LAND CODE AND THE PLAN.

AND SDPIGZ MAKE WHATTING WE DID TODAY. MAKING DECISIONS WITH REGARD TO SPECIAL USE PERMITS VARIANCES, ET CETERA. AND THEN WE ALSO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY WHICH WE HAVE NOT DONE A LOT OF. REALLY IS MORE OF POLICY MAKING

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IN SOME CASES YOU KNOW WE ARE -- PROVIDING SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS TO APPLICANTS ABOUT HOW TO CHANGE THEIR PROJECT TO MAKE US VOTE FOR IT. AND I THINK IT IS OKAY FOR US TO MAKE THE SUGGESTIONS TO GET SOMETHING ACROSS BUT THEY SHOULD BE GENERAL IF WE TALK ABOUT WE THINK YOU NEED MORE BUFFER THE APPLICANT COME UP WITH THE WAY TO MAKE IT MORE BUFFER NOT US.

AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP OUR DISCUSSION NOT ENTIRELY, I MAKE JOKES ABOUT THINGS ABOUT THE BEER AND THE FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT YOU THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR DISCUSSION IN WE SHOULD KEEP OUR DISCUSSION TO THE MATTER AT HAND AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO ARRIVE AT OUR OPINION. WHETHER IT IS A VOTE TO GRANT MAKE A DECISION OR TO PROVIDE ADVISE OPPOSED TO GET ENERGY AREAS LIKE FISCAL ISSUES WITH THE COUNTY. THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE COMMENT TIME AT THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. AND I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE YOU AMOUNT OF TIME WE SPEND DOES NOT JUST IMPACT US BUT IMPACTS THE APPLICANTS WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE. AND STAFF. THE GUARDS OUT FRONT AND EVERYBODY. AND SO -- REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO STICK TO OUR KNITTING.

WHEN IT COME TO THE POLICY ITEMS. THIS AS I SAY THIS BOARD IN MY ALMOST EIGHT YEARS HAS NOT DELVE IN THE THAT AT ALL. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS A BAD THING, FRANKLY. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T RUN AFOUL OF THE DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD MAY BE WANTS TO GO AND THAT REGARD IF WE WANT TO TAKE UP POLICY ITEMS BILLBOARDS. THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THE CHAIRMAN HERE SPEAK TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOCCC AND MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT RUNNING AFOUL OF SOMETHING THERE.

AND OR COUNTY ADD ADMINISTRATOR THEY HAVE GOING OR MAY BE THEY DON'T WANT TO US GET IN THAT.

THE MEMBER CAME UP EARLIER TODAY AND SAID I HAD THE IDEA BUT THE BOARD DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.

RITHINK THAT IS NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO CAREFUL THAT WE ARE NOT GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF IN MY OPINION. WE ARE NOT THE STAFF'S BOSS. THE BOARD IS THE COUNTY ADD ADMINISTRATOR'S BOSS AND THEN STAFF'S BOSS. WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT ALSO IN MY OPINION. AND -- THE LAST THING I SAY THAT IS IF WE GOT IN A POLICY ISSUE, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER HAVING A WORKSHOP FOR THAT POL ISSUE.

AS OPPOSED TO SEEM LATELY TODAY WAS A NICE, LIGHT AGENDA LATELY WE HAVE LONG AGENDAS.

ANYWAY. I'M DONE AT THIS POINT. I JUST THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

>> THOSE ARE POINTS WELL TAKEN I LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THEM.

I KNOW YOU WERE APPEAR TO BE UNHAPPY WITH THAT CERT NADA CLUB ISSUE.

LAST TIME. A COUPLE OF US MADE SUGGESTIONS INCLUDING YOU HOW TO CHANGE THEIR PLAN I FOLLOWED UP ON ONE OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS I FELT WAS GOOD.

I HAD THE SAME IDEA. BUT IN THE END, YOU VOTED MOVED TO APPROVE IT AS IS WHICH WE DID UNANIMOUSLY. I ADMIT WE ARE GUESTING IN WEEDS ON CORRECTING.

POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THAT APPLICATION. SO -- THAT IS A POINT WELL

TAKEN. >> I DON'T REMEMBER UNHAPPY I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

[LAUGHTER]. FRANKLY. TWO HOUSES THE PARKING LOT.

>> I REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

[LAUGHTER]. YOU KNOW WHEN I LEAVE HERE I LEAVE HERE IT IS OVER.

THAT'S NOT MY NATURE TO BE LIKE THAT. I I WASN'T I PROBABLY WAS TIP TOWING I WANTED TO LEAVE. AND ON THE BILLBOARD ISSUE THAT WAS HEARD TODAY, THAT WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT ON I HAD SPOKEN WITH STAFF AND COUNTY ATTORNEY PRIOR TO THEM PRESENTING TO GET DIRECTION. STAFF TO COME BACK WITH MORE CT- INFORMATION I WAS FOLLOWING A LEAD I WAS BEGIN. YOU ARE RIGHT WE ARE NOT THEIR BOSS.

I THINK OF THEM AS OUR BOSS, ACTUALLY. >> IN ANY EVENT I SAY THOSE

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THINGS. MS. SPIEGEL? >> WELL, YES.

UM -- BEING FAIRLY NEW ON THE BOARD AS NEW AS SOME I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION PAUSE THESE ARE NOT THIS THING WES CAN TALK ABOUT OUTSIDE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WISDOM AND LOOK BACK ON MY FIRST YEAR AND I CRINGE A LOT. YOU KNOW AND WE ARE LEARNING AND IT IS A LEARNING PROCESS. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YOU MADE A COMMENTS ABOUT FISCAL

CONDITIONS THAT WERE TRYING TO -- ATTACK. >> BILLBOARDS WE WOULD NOT GET

IN THE FISCAL SIDE OF BUYING OUT. >> THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.

WEEP DON'T CONTROL PURSE STRINGS. AND IT WAS AN EXAMPLE.

>> I WONDERED IF THERE WAS SOMETHING MORE BROAD. I ALWAYS WANT TO LEARN AND DO A GOOD JOB. SO GETTING YOUR ADVICE IF YOU LEAVE IN OCTOBER WHICH STINKINGS THE AND OTHER THING YOU SAID ABOUT POLICY MAKING AND ADDING CONDITIONS TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE COUNTY. I ALWAYS WANT GO THERE IN THAT IS WHO I AM.

BUT ARE YOU FEELING LOOIC THERE IT IS A LINE CROSSED IN THAT. YOU KNOW I NEED TO REEXAMINE? I THINK SOMETIMES I HEAR THING I THINK THEY SOUND SOMETHING SHOULD BE SAID AT THE MIC AT BOCC INSTEAD OF HERE. SOMETIME THERE IS A DISCUSSION HERE LIKE TODAY THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. THE DOWNTOWN HASTINGS AND THE CHARACTER OF HASTINGS I LOVE COMMENT THE LADY MED WHEN SHE ONLY ONE WHO NOT ONLY BUT THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OR REFERENCED THE MOST COMPETENT EVIDENCE WHEN SHE SAID THAT A RESTAURANT THAT SERVE BEER AND WINES COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL CHARACTER HASTINGS.

SHE DID NOT HAVE EVIDENCE IT THAT AFFECT BUT IT WAS -- AT LEAST USED THE RIGHT BUZZ WORDS

>> MS. DENNIS. HASTINGS MAIN STREET BOTTS I WAS INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY THIS IS DIG AND CAN DIVIDE A COMMUNITY AND NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> INTELLIGENTLY. >> THE CHURCH SHOULD GET WITH THE RESTAURANT AND WORK THINGS

OUT. >> COMMUNITY. IT IS IMPORTANT.

I THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO STOP DOING THAT I CAN REEL IT BACK IN

A BIT. >> SO. ANYWAY.

>> THAT'S -- ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN KEEP ON EDUCATING

US. >> HAVE COME A LONG WAY. >> TRYING.

>> WE LEARN EVERY MEETING WHEN WE ARE UP HERE. >> MR. LABANOWSKI.

>> I GOT A LONG WAY TO GO YET. NO. GO BACK TO THE HASTINGS I COULD HAVE GONE ALONG WITH THAT BUT WITH 57 FEET BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS AND STRICTLY OUTSIDE SEATING THAT WAS A CONCERN. THAT IS DONE AND OVER. MR. SMITH, I WAS JUST OUT AT HASTINGS TO LOOK AT THE CHURCH. AND MAIN STREET PIZZA. AND THE PROPERTY WHERE THE CONTAINER AND THE CARS ARE HAS NOT CHARGED. SINCE I PROVIDED YOU WITH THE PICTURES. YES , SIR THAT IS NILE UNDERSTANDING I WILL GET WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AS I MENTIONED TO THE CHAIR AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW AND I WILL REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD IN TWO WE WEEKS.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. ONE MORE COMMENT.

I HAVE LOOKED UP THE IN THE LDC ABOUT BILLBOARDS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

AFTER BARBARA WHO SPOKE TO YOU CALLED ME. AND IT IS IN SECTION 7 OF THE LDC BILLBOARDS. I WAS LOOKING FOR THERE WAS ONE SPOT WHERE THE PZA WAS MENTIONED. HAD SOMETHING TO DO I CAN'T FINDS IT I HAD TAKEN PHOTOSES TO SENDS. THERE WAS ONLY ONE PLACE AND -- THE LDC IN SECTION SEVEN THAT REFERENCED THE PZA HAVING ANY ROLE IN A BILLBOARD. SO I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ITEM COMING. NOT AN ITEM ABOUT THIS TOPIC AND HOW TOP RESPOND THAT'S WHY I TALKED TO JOSEPH AND LEX. SO -- YOU MA I WANT TO FIND THAT AT SOME POINT I'M SURE IN YOUR RESEARCH IF THAT GOES FORWARD YOU WILL SEE IT BUT IT HAD TO DO WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY

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THAT WAS THE ONLY PURVIEW WE HAD OVER BILLBOARDS. THE REST WAS OUT OF OUR PURVIEW.

I THOUGHT -- SHE WAS AIMING FOR I KNOW WE COULD NOT RESPOND IT WAS NOT AGENDA ITEM.

BUT LOOKING TO US TO ASK THE BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF THEY WOULD LOOK IN THE MATTER.

ANYWAY. JOSEPH DID YOU WANT IT ADDRESS THAT WE HAD OTHER COMMENTS

INCLUDING MR. MATOVINA. [INAUDIBLE]. >> CLEARLY ADDRESSES THAT WE COULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE BILLBOARD ORDINANCE IT SAYS THAT THE WE ARE PLANNING AGENCY AND AS THAT AGENCY WE CAN REVIEW, PROPOSE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, CODES OR AMENDMENTS.

AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNT COMMISSIONERS AS CONSISTENCY OF THE PROPOSAL WITH

THE PLAN OR PORTION. >> OKAY. >> I THINK YOU WE HAVE A BROAD.

I STAND CORRECTED. >> WE HAVE A BROADWAY TO LOOK AT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THAT GETS INTO MORE LIKE WORKSHOPING THAT IS NOT SOMETHING MEETING LIKE THIS SOMEBODY COME UP AND WE GO LET'S MAKE THIS. WE GOTTA HAVE A LITTLE HOME WORK

DONE AND -- THAT SORT OF THING. >> MENTIONED A WORKSHOP EARLIER.

>> YEA. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. IF THAT IS WHAT SECTION EIGHT STATES WITH REGARD TO US I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS SPECIFIC TO BILLBOARDS WEIGHING IN ON THOSE ISSUES. I STAND CORRECTED AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENT.

>> MR.OSE OLSON AND GREEN. I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THE COMP

PLAN. I'M NOT SURE I'M CURRENT. >> THE COMP PLAN THAT WHAT IS THE 2051 THAT IS TURNED BACK LIE THE STATE WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT.

THE PLAN REVISED BASED ON THE PRIOR IT WAS REJECTED BY THE STATE ORIGINALLY.

WE MADE CHANGES. TO REFLECT THE OBJECTIONS OF THE STATE.

IT HAS BEEN SENT BACK AND UNDER REVIEW. WE ARE HALFWAY THROUGH THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD. WE HOPE TO GET THAT BACK IN THE LES THAN A MONTH FROM THE STATE.

AND THEN THIS BOARD AND OF COURSE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WILL SEE THAT

COMING BACK THROUGH FOR ADOPTION. >> IT WILL COME BACK HERE ALSO

TO THE -- YES , SIR. >> THANK YOU. SO WE -- WERE NOT PRIVILEGED TO

SEE WHAT THE RMDZED CHANGES WERE? >> THE CHANGES.

NO THEY WENT TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR REVISION. BUT IT WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU A BROAD PERSPECTIVE IT WAS REMOVING ALL OBJECTIONAL THINGINGS THE STATE IDENTIFIED WHICH WAS THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. AND PASS IT.

NOT OF SUBSTANCE, IF YOU WILL. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. GREEN.

IF WE WANT TO TAKE MORE PROACTIVE POINTS LOOKING AT CODES AND PLANNING.

ONE THING THAT COME. I'M ASSUMING THE STAFF, US, TALKING ABOUT THE THOUSAND FEET NOT COMMON IN OTHER COUNTIES. ONE THING THAT I TALK ABOUT IS THIS ELEVATION

>> I MEAN. IT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL PART OF -- YOU KNOW OOP00 WHERE DO WE START TO FLOOR WE GOT IN THAT SITUATION THE HOUSE OVER 35 FEET.

BUFF FLOOR HAD TO BE EIGHT OR NINE FLOOD GRADE IS. BUT COUNTY MEASURES THE MARK LAND PART OF THAT LOT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT IF WE HAVE THE DESIRE. IT MAKES IT COMPLICATED ON THE STAFF AND ON LEGAL, THE GUY WHO IS TRYING TO DESIGN THE BUILDING. BECAUSE YOU SAID, MAY BE WE WILL DO CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE CODES ARE DIFFERENTS. IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TAKE THERE IS STUFF THAT CAN BE TWEAKS THAT IMPROVE WHAT WE GOT. NOT MAKE IT MORE RESTRICT RIFF.

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WE SHOULD MAKE IT MORE YES, WE DO WANT YOU TO YOU MEET YOU KNOW AND IT HELPS THE COUNTY OUT WITH IN REGARD INSURANCE THE NIEHUESES. IT IS -- THERE IS PLENTY THERE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT AND I'M SURE THE COMMISSIONERS I'M SURE THEY ALLVILLE SOMETHING S SOMETHING THEY RUN ACROSS THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH. I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO A WORKSHOP AND WORK THROUGH THE PROBLEMS AND IMPROVE THESE THINGS. IT IS EVERY MEETING LEARN SOMETHING. DON'T THINK AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR EVERYBODY WE ARE WORKING OR LEARNING THIS. YES, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE EVERY GRASP IT IS NOT OUR PROFESSION LIKE JACOBS. YOU KNOW WE ARE UP HERE MORE OR LESS VOLUNTEERS.

WE ALL HAVE OUR THING WE BRING TO THE TABLE. >> I THINK THAT IS ONE OF MY

THINGS ON THIS FLOOD THING IS DRIVES WE CRAZY WHEN IT COME UP >> WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? THIS SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT TAKES OUR TIME OR THE OWNER OF PROPERTY.

WHETHER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. DOESN'T MATTER.

>> I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND I WOULD NOT MIND HAVING A WORKSHOP ON SEVERAL ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE A SINGLE PURPOSE W SHOP OR SINGLE FOCUS ITEM.

OR FAMILIAR WE WILL HAVE ONE. ONE THING MS. PERKINS SAID IS THAT SHE DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE THOUSANDS FOOT RESTRICTION FROM A RESTAURANT SERVING BEER OR WINE TO A CHURCH.

I AGREE THAT IS SOMEWHAT TO ME SEEMS A BIT OUT DATED. AND THAT WE HAD NUMEROUS ISSUES WITH THAT. THOUSAND FEET DISTANCE. AND MAY BE WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE WORKABLE. SOMETHING IN LIKE HASTINGS IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A RESTAURANT ON MAIN STREET AND NOT IMPINK WITHIN LES THAN A THOUSAND FEET OF A CHURCH. SO -- THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ITEM I THINK WE BEING HAVE A WORKSHOP AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO -- OVER LAY DISTRICT. GOOD.

MR. LABANOWSKI? I AGREE ON THAT THOUSAND FOOT AND AGAIN THAT IS WHAT I WENT WITH. BECAUSE WE VICE PRESIDENT BEGIN A NUMBER VARIANCES ON LIQUOR LICENSE. AND I THINK IT IS TIME WE SHOULD VISIT AND STAFF CAN COME BACK TO US AND LET'S US KNOW WHAT OTHER AREAERS COUNTIES ARE DOING AS FAR AS THE SETBACK A THOUSAND FEET IS A HUGE DISTANCE ESPECIALLY IN HASTINGS FROM MAIN STREET PIZZA TO THE OTHER CHURCH WAS 600 FEET AWAY. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THAT CHURCH.

WIH OUR POLICIES IT IS A THOUSAND I LOVE TO SEE A CHANGE ON THAT.

SO. YES , SIR. >> FIRST OFF WITH THE DELEGATED AUTHORITY YOU HAVE IN YOUR AGENCY AND YOU HAVE SUPPORT STAFF DEDICATED TO YOU.

I THINK MR. MATOVINA IS CORRECT IN THAT YOU NEED TO LIMIT WHAT YOU ARE SCOPE IS AND TALK ABOUT THINGS IN THE LDC BUT IF YOU DIRECT US TO BRING THINGS BACK AS A WORKSHIP IN MY EXPERIENCE IN MOST JURISDICTIONS, THE COUNTIES LIKE TO SEE PLANNING AGENCY WORKSHOP THINGS BEFORE THEY DO TO GIVE THEM RECOMMENDATIONS LET THEM KNOW WHERE PROBLEM AREAS ARE IN CODE.

AND BRING IT BEFORE THEM TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION. ONE THING I REMINDS YOU IS THAT WILE HAVE YOU SUNSHINE VIOLATION IF YOU TALK TO EACH OTHER OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM YOU HAVE NO SUNSHINE PROBLEM TALK TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE ISSUES IF YOU ARE HAVING A LOT SIGN QUESTIONS ORB BILLBOARD QUESTIONS AND WANT IT TALK TO THEM YOU CAN AND PROBABLY SHOULD. BECAUSE TELL HELP YOU HAVE CONTACTS FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I REMINDS YOU THAT YOU ARE DELEGATED AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN THE AREAS TEY COULD TAKE ALL THINGS BACK. THEY HAVE DELEGATED TO YOU ISSUES OF SIGN VARIANCES AND ARE SOME OF OTHER ISSUES. WHAT THEY ARE ASKING ARE IF TO YOU DO IS TAKE NUANCE AND EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY, SEE WHETHER THERE -- MAY NOT BE NECESSARILY THAT ONE CHANGE IN THE CODE IS WHAT IS DESIRED. THEY MAY WANT TO YOU LOOK AT

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A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY, YOU THERE IS A CODE AND YOU ARE ENFORCE THE CODE THAT IS THE DEFAULT. BUT YOUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE A VARIANCE, WHEN IS MAKES SENSE

AND JUSTIFIED IN THE A WAY THAT YOU DECIDE THAT IT IS. >> I WOULD SAY THAT AND PIWOULD SAY LAST, WE ARE LOOKING TO YOU TO BE EXPERTS IN WAYS YOU MAY KNOW MORE THAN THE BOARD ITSELF.

YOU THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES ON MORE DETAILED LEVEL. THE ISSUE -- IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SEND SOMETHING BACK TO THE BCC REQUEST YOU SEE AN ISSUE.

PHOTOCOPY WE WILL HAVE WORKSHOPS I MUCH PREFER A BIT OF CONVERSATION LIKE THIS AND THEN HAVE JACOB AND PIBRING IT BACK TO YOU IN A SECOND TIME IN A WORKSHOP OR A MEETING WHERE WE THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE TALK. WE IS COMMUNICATE WHEN WOOR

READY AND NOT SHOOTING OFF THE CUFF OR RESEARCH BETWEEN THINGS. >> ALMOST TAKEN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT CRITERIA ARE FOR WORKSHOP. >> QUORUM IS NOT REQUIRED.

IF EVERYBODY CAN'T MAKE IT YOU CAN HAVE IT WITH 3 YOU DON'T DO OFFICIAL BUSINESS BUT SET UP THE NEXT MEETING. . IS PUBLICLY NOTICES.

>> YES. YOU WOULD WANT TOP HAVE A WEEK IN FRONT OF IT NOTICE IT.

>> THAT KIND THING. >> OKAY. >> SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT FOR

ALL OF US. >> ESPECIALLY YOU, GREG IF YOU ARE LEAVE NOTHING OCTOBER I WANT

ISSUES ON THE TABLE. >> I GUESS

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.