Feb 17, 2026 Board of County Commissioners

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>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. GOOD MORNING. I AM COMMISSIONER TAYLOR FILLING IN AS CHAIR TODAY AND WE DO HAVE COMMISSIONER MURPHY THAT WILL BE CALLING IN, SO HE WILL BE AUDIO THIS MORNING. BUT GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY. I WANT TO WELCOME YOU TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING AND THERE ARE MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING AVAILABLE ON COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDAS AND MEETINGS AND MINUTES. ONCE YOU FIND THE MEETING AGENDA, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS ALL OF THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON ANY AGENDA ITEM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE ANY EXHIBITS OR PHOTOGRAPHS, PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS TO THE CLERK OF COURT FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD. WE WILL NOW DO ROLL CALL BY THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT AND

COUNTY COMPTROLLER. >> CHAIR COMMISSIONER CLAY MURPHY?

>> PRESENT. >> ACTING CHAIR COMMISSIONER ANN TAYLOR?

>> PRESENT. ER >> ACTING CHAIR COMMISSIONER

CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST? >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD ?FRJTS PRESENT. . INGER AND COMMISSIONER KRISTA

JOSEPH? >> PRESENT. >> NOW WE WILL HAVE AN

INVOCATION LED BY PAT FROM COLONIAL CHURCH. >> GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRAY AND SERVE IN THIS WAY.

I WANT TO READ ROMANS CHAPTER 12, VERSE ONE, I APPEAL TO YOU BROTHERS TO THE MERCIES OF GOD TO PRESENT YOUR BODIES AS A LIVING SACRIFICE, HOLY AND ACCEPTABLE TO GOD WHICH IS YOUR SPIRITUAL WORSHIP. DO NOT BE CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD BUT BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWAL OF YOUR MIND THAT BY TESTING, MAY *F YOU MAY DISCERN WHAT IS THE WILLPOWER GOD, WHAT IS GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE AND PERFECT. LET'S PRAY, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORD, WE PRAY FOR A SPECIAL BLESSING OVER THIS MEETING, GOD, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD FILL THIS ROOM, LORD, WITH HEAVENLY WISDOM TODAY AS DECISIONS ARE MADE AND THANK YOU FOR THE LAND THAT WE LIVER IN, THANK YOU TO EVERYTHING YOU HAVE GIVEN US, WE GIVE YOU THE

HONOR AND THE PRAISE IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. >> AND NOW TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, WE HAVE JERRY HAN CH ET, UNITED STATES CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION

UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR

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COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> NO, MA'AM, NO. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST? >> I HAVE NONE, MADAM CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> NONE. >> AND COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I HAVE NONE, MADAM CHAIR.

>> THANKS. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, ITEM NUMBER 19 IS GOING TO BE PULLED

AND PLACED ON THE MARCH 3 AGENDA. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT

ON THE CONSENT ITEMS AT THIS TIME. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE MAKE ON THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, NOW IS YOUR TIME TO COME FORWARD, STEP TO ONE OF THE TWO PODIUM AND IS SEEING COMMENT. SEEING NO ONE RISE TO SPEAK, WE WILL CLOSE -- WE HAVE ONE PERSON COMING FORWARD TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. GOOD MORNING, MS. TAYLOR, WELCOME.

>> GOOD MORNING. REGARDING ITEM 20 -- >> MS. TAYLOR, STATE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS. >> I LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH, REGARDING ITEM 20, IT'S AN UPDATED GRANTS ADMINISTRATION POLICY. I REQUEST THAT YOU MOVE THAT TO AN AGENDA ITEM AND SHOW REDLINE CHANGES SO THAT WE CAN CAN TELL WHAT IS BEING CHANGED.

GRANTS FREQUENTLY COMMIT THE COUNTY TO MAJOR FUNDS, MAJOR OTHER COMMITMENTS AND SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY. I THINK THAT WE DESERVE TO HAVE THAT TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM ON ANOTHER DAY. AND SO THAT WE CAN TELL WHAT'S

REALLY GOING ON THERE. THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MS. TAYLOR. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS ON OUR

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CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE

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AS FAR AS MOVING THAT ITEM TO AN AGENDA ITEM? >> IT'S UP TO YOU.

>> IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. >> OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO

MOVE IT TO THE NEXT AGENDA. >> SECOND. >> OKAY, YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING OR THIS ONE? >> WE HAVE TO TO VOTE ON IT?

>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY BECAUSE YOU WILL BE AUDIO?

>> YES. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> REUP THE MOTION AND THEN

WE'LL VOTE ON IT. >> YES, SO, THE MOTION WILL BE TO MOVE THE CONSENT ITEM AGENDA

ITEM TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> FOR THE NEXT MEETING. >> AND I SECOND THAT.

SO NOW DO WE VOTE? >> IS CLAY A VOICE VOTE? >> YEAH, I'M SORRY, I'M A YES.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY, THAT PASSES. >> CALL THE VOTE BECAUSE IT'S

NOT ALL ON THE SCREEN. >> WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. LET'S CALL THE VOTE,

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I'M A NO. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? .

INGER I'M A NO. >> AND CLAY'S A YES, SO -- >> AND I'M A YES, OKAY, SO

THAT'S CLEAR. >> THAT ASSESS 3-2. >> AND THAT PASSES 3-2.

ALRIGHT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. OR TO PASS THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> SECOND. ER >> I'LL SECOND.

>> ALRIGHT. LET'S VOTE. COMMISSIONER MURPHY?

>> I'M A YES. >> GREAT, THAT PASSES 5-0, THANK YOU.

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AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I HAVE NONE, MADAM CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> NO. >> AND COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> NONE.

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>> GREAT, AND I HAVE NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY, GREAT. LET'S SEE.

ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY -- WE WILL MOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, YOU'LL NEED TO VOTE. >> SO, LET'S VOTE.

COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> YES. >> GREAT, THAT PASSES 5-0.

[Public Comment ]

ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON MAT THAERS ARE NOT SCHEDULED FOR ACTION ON TODAY'S AGENDA. WHEN ADDRESSING THE BOARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

KE *F WE ASK YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE, THIS IS NOT THE BEST FORUM FOR Q & A, SPEAKERS MAY NOT DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD, ANY PERSON FAIL TOG XLAI *F COMPLY FROM THESE RULES MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE AUDITORIUM. ANY SPEAKER WHO WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MATERIALS, MATERIALS CAN BE PLACED ON THE X FOR THE HEAD TO BE DISPLAYED.

AFTER SPEAKING, PROVIDE MATERIALS TO THE COURT . >> I AOEM HERE TODAY TO DEFEND MY ACTION INS 2024 IN WHICH I SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO A ROBERTSON DEVELOPMENT PROJECT CALLED AGRIHOOD, I HAVE RECEIVED A SUBPOENA FOR ALL OF MY PRIVATE E-MAILS ABOUT THAT

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ROBINSON SAYS THE COMMISSION RELIED ON REASONING SIMILAR TO HIS IN NIXING THE PLAN AND I GO FURTHER. QUOTE, BY REVIEWING HIS COMMUNICATIONS, ROBINSON HOPES TO DETERMINE WHO HE COORDINATED WITH AND WHETHER ELECTED OFFICIALS WERE INFLUENCED BEHIND THE SCENES. FIRST OF ALL, THE CLAIM THAT MAK ANDERS KNEE MET PRIVATELY WITH COMMISSIONERS IS SIMPLISTIC AND PERHAPS INTENTIONALLY SO.

IN THEIR EX-PARTE DISCLOSURES ON NOVEMBER 5, 2024, ONE COMMISSIONER REPORTED MEETING WITH ME AND ONE COMMISSIONER REPORTED A PHONE CALL WITH ME. BUT FOUR COMMISSIONERS REPORTED MEETING PRIVATELY WITH ETM AND THE ROBINSON TEAM OFF-SITE AND ALSO REPORTED RECEIVING MANY CALLS FROM THEM. ALL COMMISSIONERS REPORTED ANYWHERE FROM 79-120 E-MAILS MOSTLY IN OPPOSITION, IT IS SIMPLY NOT SUPPORTED BY THE FATSOES.

SECONDLY THE CLAIM THAT MY PRESENTATION WAS COORDINATED WITH OTHERS IS NOT TRUE AND MISSES THE POINT ABOUT WHO I AM. I HAD MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT AGRIHOOD INCLUDING WHAT WAS DECIDE BID THE COUNTY IN 2014, WAS FUTURE ZONING INCLUDED, WAS DIT THEY SAID ABOUT COUNTY AND STATE ROADS. I TRIED TO INVESTIGATE THOSE, I PREPARED A 10 MINUTE POWERPOINT TO REPORT MY INFORMATION AND BY CONTRAST, ROB BIP SON PRESENTED THEIR INFORMATION FOR OVER 60 MINUTES, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS LISTENED TO EVERYONE, EVALUATED ALL THEY HEARD AND THEY HAD A UNANIMOUS FINAL DECISION 5-0 TO DENY THE PROJECT.

IN CONCLUSION, I AM NO SUPERMAN, NO MASTER INFLUENCER AND NO ONE ABOVE THE LAW, I'M JUST AN INDIVIDUAL WHO TRIED HIS BEST TO DO HIS HOMEWORK AND TO PROVIDE FACT AND IS PERSONAL OPINIONS FROM HIS RESEARCH AND TO MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS AND COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO I HOPE WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE, I SAY BE CONFIDENT IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND ITS FIRST AMENDMENT, COME FORWARD AND SPEAK OUT. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO SO AND BE THANKFUL FOR AN AMERICAN

SYSTEM THAT SUPPORTS YOU AND PROTECTS YOU IN THAT FREEDOM. >> THANK YOU, MR. MACANARNI.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS SCOTT LOVE, ST. AUGUSTINE, 3286, I TEACH GROSS ANATOMY AND PROSTHETICS AND O*R THOT I CANS AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TNR PROGRAMS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EMBELLISHED AND GROWING IN NATURE AT THE UNIVERSITY IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AREA, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MAJOR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE DOING WONDERFUL THINGS BUT EVERYTHING'S GOING HERE AND THERE. SINCE I'VE BECOME AN AMPUTEE, I'VE HELPED PEOPLE DO PROJECTS LIKE THIS. I PLAN TO BE A RAPER AND NOW WE HAVE RECENTLY DONATED PROSTHETIC S TO PEOPLE FOR FREE. OVER AT WILD FLOWER HEALTH CARE, MICHELLE RUN AS GREAT PROGRAM WHERE HE TAKE CARE OF HOMELESS PEOPLE FOR MEDICAL NEEDS AND DENTAL WORK, THEY HAVE GOTTEN THEIR OWN DENTAL CLINIC OPPOSITE OF WHERE THEIR HEALTH CARE FIELD IS. OUR STUDENTS TAKE THEIR PATIENTS FOR FREE AND WE CHERISH THAT. I BELIEVE THAT CREATING A BUNCH OF PROJECTS WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND VOLUNTEER FROM THE COMMUNITY TO WHERE WE HAVE STUDENT INTERNSHIPS, WE HAVE CLASS COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS, WE HAVE STUDENTS WORKING ON THEIR DOCTORATE DEGREE THAT DO PROJECTS FOR THEIR DOCTORAL DEGREE, I FEEL IF WE GOT A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE PEOPLE TOGETHER IN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE LOCAL PEOPLE, THIS NEXT LADY IS DOING AN AMAZING JOB, WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM OF HAVING FERAL CATS RUN INING THE ST. AUGUSTINE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY AREA AND I WOULD BE COMMITTED TO HELPING PLANNING THAT PROJECT WITH MY WORK SCHEDULE, IT'S BUSY TO PHYSICALLY DO IT, I CAN HELP RECRUIT STUDENTS O DO PROJECTS FOR THEIR DOCTORAL PROJECT, COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS AT OUR UNIVERSITY AND ALSO ATTEND MEETINGS TO WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE DECISIONS. THE BIGGEST THING WE NEED IS,

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THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CAN WRITE GRANTS, GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING WRITTEN BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT. IF THERE'S NO -- SOME PAYMENT FOR THEM, I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF GRANTEES. I HAVE TO GO GET FINGERPRINTED AT RACETRACK ROAD FOR MY LICENSE, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW I'LL FULL BEHIND THIS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING NEXT ARE AMAZING BEHIND ME AND WITH YOUR HELP, WE CAN DO A GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YES, MA'AM.

GOOD MORNING. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CHARLOTTE SCOTT, I AM THE FOUNDER OF KITTY CHICKS RESCUE, MY ADDRESS IS 1941 RIVER OAKS DRIVE IN ST. JOHNS, 32259.

I AM HERE BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY IS STRUGGLING WITH A LARGE FERAL CAT POPULATION, FREE ROAMING CAT AND IS WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT OF SOLVING THIS PROBLEM.

PEOPLE WHO CARE FOR THESE CATS ARE NOT CAOE RATIONING THE PROBLEM, COMMUNITY FEEDERS OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD IS THE REASON WE CAN FIX IT. BY FEEDING CATS IN ONE CONSISTENT PLACE, RESCUERS CAN HUMANELY TRAP THEM FOR TRAP, NEUTER AND RETURN.

FERAL CATS ARE FIXED AND VACCINATED AND FRIENDLY CAT AND IS KITTENS ARE REMOVED AND ADOPTED. WITHOUT FEEDERS, THAT SIMPLY DOESN'T HAPPEN.

RIGHT NOW WHEN CATS ARE TRAPPED AND REMOVED, NEW CATS JUST MOVE IN.

THE CYCLE NEVER ENDS AND THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE VACUUM EFFECT AND THIS IS WHY THE PROBLEM FEELS -- IT JUST FEELS ENDLESS. WE ARE ASKING THE COUNTY TO INCREASE SUPPORT FOR TNR THROUGH MORE FUNDING AND/OR A LARGER FACILITY TO PROTECT STABILIZE CONNIE SO CAT THAT IS ARE FIXED AREN'T RELOCATED AND EUTHANIZED.

TNR WORKS, IT STOPS THE BREEDING AND REDUCES NOISE AND SPRAYING, IT IMPROVES PUBLIC HEALTH AND IT KEEPS CATS OUTSIDE *F OUTSIDE OF OVERCROWDED SHELTERS.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT CHOOSING CATS OVER PEOPLE, IT'S ABOUT CHOOSING A SOLUTION THAT WORKS AND REFLECTS THE VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY. PLEASE PARTNER WITH RESCUES AND VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE ALREADY DOING THIS WORK. OFTEN WITH LITTLE SUPPORT, WE CAN STABILIZE THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF REACTING TO IT YEAR AFTER YEAR.

WE WANT TO SEE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BEING ONE OF THE FLAMINGOES AND THE MOST FINANCIAL RICH COUNTY INS THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DEPARTMENT ADOPT PROGRAMS SUCH AS DUVAL COUNTIES HAVE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH RESCUES IN THE COMMUNITY SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ST. JOHNS COUNTY STEP UP AND BRING A PROGRAM HERE THAT WILL HELP ALL OF US HELP THIS

PROBLEM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]. YES, SIR? GOOD MORNING.

MAIM AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> FOR THE NAME, MINIMUM IN IS JC PLAY FORD FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHERE I LIVE, OKAY.

I'M HERE BECAUSE -- ADDIE, ARE YOU HERE? >> I'M GOING TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE, THE CHAIR HAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER MR. PLAY FORD CAN REFUSE TO GIVE HIS ADDRESS.

>> I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD, I KNOW I CAN, I HAVE A RIGHT TO KEEP MY A ADDRESS QUIET FROM THE WORLD. OKAY. ANYWAY, WHEN WE HAVE COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT SHOULD BE TURNED OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO BE LOOKED AT FOR MISDEMEANOR AND IS FELONY AND IS WHEN THE ELECTED LEADERS RECOMMEND THAT PERSON BE FIRED AND COUNTY BUREAUCRATS ONLY GIVE THEM FOUR HOURS OF PUNISHMENT TO PAY, WE ALL LOSE.

WHEN WENT ON HERE IN OUR COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WAS A CRIME.

SO, WHY DOES SHE STILL HAVE A JOB AND WHO OVERWROTE EDDIE TO SAY THAT BRANDY, WOULD'S BRANDY OVERRODE EDDIE AND GIVE HER A FOUR HOUR PUNISHMENT WHEN SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. NOT ONLY DID THEY SUBMIT A FRAUJ LENT DOCUMENT, WHY WAS SHE NOT FIRE AND HAD WHY CAN'T WE FIRE PEOPLE BHO DO THAT. WE ELECT YOU GUYS TO RUN YOUR

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SO, THIS HAS GOT TO BE LOOKED AT, AT A STATEWIDE BASIS AND IT SHOULD START HERE.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD SOMEBODY ATTACK A CITIZEN THROUGH THEIR GOVERNMENT OFFICE BECAUSE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE HAS AN ISSUE WITH THEM AND THAT'S WHAT WENT ON HERE.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT. AND I THREW HER NAME OUT HERE BECAUSE I WANT YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT IT AND ASK THE SHERIFF IF HE *F HE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A CRIME.

HOW MANY MORE OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING FOR US HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES WE'VE COVERED UP? AND WHY CAN'T WE FIRE THESE PEOPLE? I CAN UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS POLITICAL BUT THIS IS CRIMINAL. SO, PLEASE, EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOW YOU, OUR CEO'S DO, NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO FIRE A BAD APPLE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE ELECT YOU TO COME IN AND DO YOUR JOB, OKAY. AND THEN THESE LIFELONG GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES PROTECTING THEIR UNION DUES GO WE DONE CARE WHAT YOU SAY BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY HERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THREE OR FOUR OF YOU ALREADY, SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE, YOU THINK YOU RUN THIS STUFF. YOU'RE OUR LEADERS AND WE'RE ASKING DWROU TAKE THE LEAD FOR

THE STATE OF MROR TA. >> THANK YOU, YES, MA'AM, WELCOME UP.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> GOOD MORNING, LINDA DAOET TR*IK, I'M PIGGYBACKING ON CHARLOTTE SCOTT'S DISCUSSION AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE POPULATION -- THE CAT POPULATION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WE'RE TRYING TO STABILIZE THE POPULATION SO THAT WE'RE NOT EUTHANIZING SO MANY CATS IN OUR COUNTY. WE'RE THE OUTLIER FOR ALL OF THE LOCAL COUNTIES HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND OUTSIDE PUTNUM, JACKSONVILLE, CLAY, WE *F THEY'RE ALL EMBRACE THING THE STABILIZATION PROJECT AND THAT IS TNR, TNVR, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE CREDIT TO WENDY TATTER, OUR LOCAL ARTIST, SHE'S THE ONE WHO DID OUR T-SHIRTS.

THIS IS WHAT WE CALL OUR PROJECT, THIS IS OUR INITIATIVE. I STARTED IT UP AND I HAD THE HELP OR JACKIE LEBLANC AT THAT TIME, JACKIE COULDN'T COMMIT HER TIME ANY LONGER AND NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM TODAY.

THE MISSION STATEMENT, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS EXPANDED ACCESS TO SPAY AND NEUTER SURGERY IN OUR COUNTY BECAUSE OUR TRAP ERS ARE GOING TO FLAGLER CATS AND THAT IS IN JACKSONVILLE WHICH IS A 90 MILE ROUND TRIP TO GET OUR COMMUNITY CATS NEUTERED AND SPAYED. THIS A POLICY DECISION FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ON THE LEFT SIDE IS TRAP AND NEUTER AND WHAT THE SUCCESS RATES WOULD BE FOR THAT VERSUS EUTHANASIA.

WE CAN ACTUALLY JUST PRESENT THIS AS AN EXHIBIT INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, SO THAT YOU CAN GET COPIES OF IT. THIS WOULD TAKE A LITTLE TOO MUCH TIME BUT THIS IS REALLY KEY TO OUR OBJECTIVE. AND WE ARE ALSO LOOKING TO COLLABORATE WITH OTHER LOCAL RESOURCES AND USING OUR NETWORK TO APPLY FOR GRANTS FOR PARTNERING WITH OTHER

ORGANIZATIONS. >> THANK YOU, MS. DIETRICH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> SIR, UNLESS YOU WANT TO MAKE USE OF THE CENTER PODIUMS, YOU

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CAN MAKE USE OF THIS PODIUM IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, MY NAME IS DUKE LEWIS, LIVE AT 24 HOBSON ROAD, I COME TO YOU TODAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FIREFIGHTER HEALTH AND SAFETY. YOUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRE RESCUE EMPLOYEE ARES CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATIONS AND YOU KEEP HEARING THESE BUZZ WORDS, FIREFIGHTER HEALTH AND SAFETY, I COME TO YOU AS A PREVIOUS BO CC EMPLOYEE, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESCUE IN 2006 UNTIL 2015, I LOVE MY JOB, IT'S A GREAT DEPARTMENT. BUT I ALSO DISTINCTLY GOT START THAT JOB AS A NEWLY WEEDSINGER, -- NEWLY WED, I DIDN'T KNOW THE SACRIFICE MY WIFE WOULD HAVE TO DO, I KNEW I WOULD LEAVE FOR 24 HOUR AND IS HAVE HER WITH THAT BABY WITH 24 HOURS BUT I NEVER EXPECTED MANDATORY OVERTIME. CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING A PARENT OF A NEWBORN AND FOR A REGULAR JOB AT 5:00, YOUR BOSS COMING AND SAYING YOU DON'T GET TO GO HOME TODAY, NOBODY HAS SHOWN UP, CALL YOUR FAMILY AND TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. I HAD ONE NEWBORN, HAD ANOTHER CHILD, NEXT THING YOU KNOW MY SON WANT TOS PLAY SOCCER, IT'S GREAT, I'M A DAD, I HAVE A SON, HE WANT TOS PLAY SOCCER, HOW MANY SHIFTS IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT.

THE FIRST TIME I SIGNED HIM SIGN UP FOR SOCCER, 70% OF HIS GAMES WERE ON MY WORK DAY.

WHEN YOU HEAR FIREFIGHTERS TALK ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ANOTHER DAY OFF, IT'S NOT JUST THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY, IT'S ANOTHER DAY OFF TO BE WITH THEIR SPOUSE, IT'S ANOTHER DAY OFF TO BE A SUPPORTIVE SPOUSE, IT'S ANOTHER DAY OFF TO BE A PARENT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT HEALTH AND SAFETY, LOOK PAST THE MONETARY DENOMINATION YOU THINK IS GOING TO THE FIREMEN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT GO O TO* THAT FAMILY. CAN WE USE THIS TO SAVE MARRIAGES AND SAVE FAMILIES. WHAT YOU'RE GIVING THEM IS SOMETHING THEY CANNOT BUY.

ONE OF THE REASONS I LEFT ST. JOHNS FIRE RESCUE, YOU CAN'T GET A DAY OFF, WE WERE GROWING FAST, WE HAD MANY EMPLOYEES AND WE HAD TO LIMIT. WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS THE ABLE TO BUY SOME OF THEIR LIFE BACK. THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP PAY IN ORDER TO GET MORE TIME OFF. NOW I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT WITH YOUR OWN PERSONAL LIFE. AT ANY POINT RAISING YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR SPOUSE SAID I CAN'T COME HOME, THIS ISN'T A HURRICANE DEPLOYMENT, WE'RE GOING THROUGH WILD FIRE SEASON RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE GOING SEE OUR GUYS DEMANDED TO GO THROUGHOUT THE STATE THROUGHOUT THE STATE, IF NOT HERE. WHEN YOU HEAR HEALTH AND SAFETY, WHEN YOU SEE THESE DOLLARS YOU CAN GIVE TO THESE FIREMEN, THINK OF THEIR SPA* SPOUSES AND CHILDREN, THAT IS THE HEALTH AND SAFETY YOU'RE GIVING THEM AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS NEGOTIATIONS PROCESS. WITH MY LAST 20 SECONDS, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU THAT DID SHOW TOUP THE FIREFIGHTER MEMORIAL WALL, ESPECIALLY THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S NOT HERE MR, MURPHY, I WORKED WITH SOME OF THOSE GUYS, I DRANK BEER AFTER WORK WITH THOSE GUYS, THE WAY THEIR FAMILIES CRIED WHEN SHE SAID THEIR NAMES YEARS LATER THA,'S THE SACRIFICE AND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'M NANCY MURPHY, I LIVE AT 22 HAVE BEENINGER ERINICE AND BACK TO ENCOURAGE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO CONTINUE TO CONSIDER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING A COMPASSIONATE COUNTY. I SERVE AS THE LIAISON BETWEEN COMPASSIONATE ST. AUGUSTINE WHICH IS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2012 AND A LIAISON WITH THE INTERNATIONAL CHARTER FOR COMPASSION WHICH BEGAN IN 2009 AND CURRENTLY I'M ALSO WORK WITCHING A TEAM OF PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING TOGETHER ALL THE COMPASSIONATE COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ENVISIONING FLORIDA AS THE SECOND COMPASSIONATE STATE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO USE MY OTHER TIME TO READ YOU EXCERPTS FROM THE CHARTER FOR COMPASSION WHICH I HOPE WILL MOVE YOU AS IT MOVED ME. THE PRINCIPLE OF COMPASSION PLIES Y -- LIES AT THE HEART OF ALL RELIGIOUS, ETHICAL AND SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, CALLING US ALWAYS TO TREAT ALL OTHERS AS WE WISH TO BE TREATED OURSELVES.

COMPASSION IMPELS US TO WORK TIRELESSLY TO ALLEVIATE THE SUFFERING OF OUR FELLOW CREATURES, TO DETHRONE OURSELF FROM THE CENTER OF OUR WORLD AND PUT ANOTHER THERE.

AND TO HONOR THE INVIOLABLE SANCTITY OF EVERY HUMAN BEING TREATING EVERYBODY WITHOUT EXCEPT WITH ABSOLUTE JUSTICE, EQUITY AND RESPECT. WE URGENTLY NEED TO MAKE COMPASSION A CLEAR, LUMINOUS AND DYNAMIC FORCE IN OUR POLARIZED WORLD.

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BORN OF OUR DEEP BER DEPENDENCE, COMPASSION IS ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS AND TO A FULFILLED HUMANITY. IT IS THE PATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT.

AD INDISPENSABLE TO A JUSTICE ECON MAY AND A PEACEFUL, GLOBAL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. MURPHY. JUST A QUICK PROGRAMMING NOTE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING VISUAL TO DISPLAY, YOU CAN USE THE CENTER PODIUM, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING THE MAKE REMARKS AND IS HAVE VERBAL COMMENTARY, YOU CAN LINE UP ON ONE OF THE OUTSIDE

PODIUMS AND YOU CAN BE READY TO GO. >> [INAUDIBLE] MOTIKER, CAMBRIDGE COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE, I'M HERE TO SHOW A LITTLE VIDEO. ( SHOWING VIDEO.

>> TOLERATED OR DISLIKED, CAT ARES PART OF OUR COMMUNITIES. GIVEN THIS, WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST WAY WE CAN OF GETTING ALONG FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND OURS.

TRAPPED NEUTER RETURN OR TNR IS THE ONLY HUMANE EFFECTIVE WAY TO STABILIZE OUTDOOR CAT POPULATIONS. BUILT OP SCIENCE AND REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, TNR IS SOUND PUBLIC POLICY. OTHER METHODS LIKE CATCH AND KILL OR RELOCATION DON'T WORK.

HERE'S WHY. CATS HAVE ALWAYS LIVED OUTDOORS, GOING BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS, UNKNOWN CATS HAVE LIVED IN AND NEAR HUMAN SETTLEMENTS, THEY LIVE WHERE THERE ARE RESOURCES LIKE SHELTER, WATER AND FOOD. THE OUTDOORS HAS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE HOME FOR MANY CATS. IF CATS ARE KILLED OR REMOVED, IT CREATES A VOID OR A VAOK YAM IN THE AREA, WHEN CATS ARE REMOVED FROM AN AREA, THEIR HABITAT REMAINS: CATS FROM NEARBY AREAS MOVE NO N TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NEWLY AVAILABLE SPACE AND RESOURCES. THE NEW RESIDENT CATS HAVE KITTENS AND THE POPULATION REBOUNDS, THERE WILL BE JUST AS MANY CATS, PERHAPS MORE AS THERE WERE BEFORE.

THIS PHENOMENON IS KNOWN TAZ VACUUM EFFECT AND IT'S WORTH UNDERSTANDING.

CAT MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT FAIL TO FACTOR THE VACUUM EFFECT INTO THEIR THINKING ARE DOOMED TO FAIL. IF YOU'RE A CITY PLANNER THAT REFLECTS POORLY ON YOUR LEADERSHIP. IF YOU'RE A TAXPAYER, IT'S WASTED MONEY, IF YOU'RE A CAT, IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH. YOU PROBABLY HEARD THE EXPRESSION NATURE ABORS A VACUUM, THIS MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO REALIZE ANY -- THROUGH REMOVAL.

KILLING CATS WILL NOT REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CATS ACROSS TIME. IT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE BUT IT'S TRUE. THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE POPULATION STABILIZATION IS TO BREAK THE BREEDING CYCLE. DURING TNR, CAT ARES HUMANELY TRAPPED, SPAYED OR NEUTERED, VACCINATED, EAR TIPPED AND RETURNED TO THEIR OUTDOOR HOME. NO NEW KITTENS ARE BORN AND THE NUMBER OF CASES OUTDOORS STABILIZES. THE MORE CAT ARES PART OF TNR, THE MORE THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. CATS, HUMANS AND ALL ANIMAL INS OUR SHARED ENVIRONMENT BENEFIT FROM TNR. THE BETTER CARE WE TAKE OF OUR COMMUNITY CATS, THE BETTER WE CO-EXIST TOGETHER. TNR IS THE ONLY HUMANE EFFECTIVE WAY TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CAT POPULATION AND IS IT'S SOUND PUBLIC POLICY TOO. SAVE CATS, STABILIZE POPULATIONS, IMPROVE CMMUNITIES WITH TNR. ( VIDEO COMPLETED ).

>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS TODD THORTON, 29 YEAR RESIDENT AND VOTER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I HAVE A VIDEO TO PLAY, I'M SORRY, A PRESENTATION.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSFORMING CAT POPULATION MANAGEMENT.

FIRST WE NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS THE OUTLIER, DUVAL, CLAY, FLAG LEER AND NASSAU COUNT TU HAVES ACHIEVED NEARLY NO KILL DESIGNATION BY BEST FRIENDS

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THE NUMBER INS NORTHEAST COUNTY REINFORCE THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS THE OUTLIER.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPRESENTS ABOUT 17% OF THE HUMAN POPULATION IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, ABOUT 40% OF THE FELINE KILLS. I WANT TO ILLUSTRATE TWO SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, THE FIRST IS JACKSONVILLE TNVR ALSO KNOWN AS FAILED FREEDOM LAFARGE IN 2008 AFTER THEY DETERMINED THAT EUTHANASIA WAS COSTLY AND INFEFKT EFFECTIVE AND INHUMANE, COMMUNITY CATS WOULD NO LONGER BE KILLED SOLELY FOR BEING UNADAPTABLE. INDEPENDENT TRAP PERS BRING COMMUNITY CATS FOR INTAKE T CAT ARES SPAYED AND NEUTERED AFTER BEING TRANSPORTED TO EVERY PET, THIS HAPPENS TWICE A DAY, THEY'RE EAR TIPPED AND AFTER BRIEF RECOVERY ARE RETURNED TO THEIR COLONIES.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS THROUGH REALLOCATED SHELTER SAVINGS, NON-PROFIT PARTNERSHIPS AND VARIOUS TRUST FUNDS. THE NEXT PROGRAM I'M GOING THE TALK ABOUT IS CLAY COUNTY. CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES, THEY HAVE A WEEKLY SPAY AND NEUTER FOR COMMUNITY CATS UP TO FIVE CATS CAN BE BROUGHT IN BY EACH TRAP P*ER, EACH THURSDAY, NO APPOINTMENT NECESSARY, AFTER 30 CAT ARES PROCESSED EACH DAY. ALL SURGERY ARES PERFORMED, AND AFTER RECOVERY, THEY'RE RETURN TODAY THEIR COLONIES, ALL TNVR IS FUNDED THROUGH THE CLAY COUNTY S*FRS BUDGET. THE TWO PROGRAMS ARE DIFFERENT BUT THE MODEL IS SIMILAR, HAS

SIMILAR SUCCESS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

YES, MA'AM. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS VALERIE GRUHUT, A 22 YEAR RESIDENT AND VOTER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST GIVE A FEW NUMBERS TO BEGIN WITH, AN UNSPRAYED CAT WILL BECOME PREGNANT AS EARLY SIX MONTHS OF AGE, SHE CAN HAVE 3-5 LITTERS PER YEAR, PRODUCING 4-6 KITTENS PER LITTER.

THE IF YOU TAKE JUST THE MIDDLE NUMBER OF THOSE FIGURES, THAT'S FOUR LITTERS OF FIVE KITTENS OR 20 UNWANTED KITTENS PER YEAR FOR JUST ONE UNSPRAYED CAT. I'M HERE TODAY TO TELL THE STORY OF A LOCAL TRAP P*ER WHO HAS A FULL TIME YOB AND WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE.

THE TRAP P*ER CAUGHT OVER 30 CATS LAST YEAR AND TOOK THEM FOR SURGERY.

SOME WERE DONE HERE AT OUR LOCAL HUMANE SOCIETY BUT MOST HAD TO BE DRIVEN OUT OF COUNTY TO DUVAL OR FLAG LEER. OUR HUMAN SOCIETY DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH POEMS AVAILABLE FOR ST.

JOHNS COUNTY TRAP PERS. APPOINTMENTS HAVE TO BE MADE SEVERAL WEEK INS ADVANCE AND SURGERIES ARE ONLY PERFORMED ON THURSDAYS AND TUESDAYS, LET'S SAY A TRAP P*ER IS GIVEN APPOINTMENTS FOR TWO CATS AND THAT IS TWO WEEKS AWAY, NOW YOU HAVE TO HOPE THAT YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN TRAPPING THE CATS THAT NEED SURGERY THE NIGHT BEFORE HOPING IT'S NOT RAINING AND HOPING THAT YOU'VE TRAPPED THE CORRECT CAT THAT NEEDS SURGERY.

I ASK THIS PERSON, IS THERE ANY CATS ALL THAT YOU WANTED TO TRAP LAST YEAR, THE ANSWER WAS ABSOLUTELY NO. IF YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO TAKE THEM FOR SURGERY, YOU CAN'T TRAP A CAT AND LEAVE IT IN A CAGE TRYING TO FIND A FACILITY THAT WILL TAKE IT IN FOR SURGERY. THEY CONTINUED, WE ARE OVERPOPULATED AND WE NEED LOCAL HELP IN OUR COUNTY. THE HUMANE SOCIETY CANNOT HANDLE THE CATS THAT THE TRAP PERS ARE WILLING TO GIVE TO THEM. WE NEED A HIGH VOLUME LOCAL SPAY/NEUTER CLINIC. LET'S SAY THIS TRAP P*ER, ONLY HALF OF THE CATS WERE FEMALES, THAT WOULD BE 15 CATS AND YOU TIMES THAT TIMES 20 PER YEAR, THAT'S OVER 300 CATS THAT WERE

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THERE'S MANY STORIES OF TRAP PERS DOING HUNDREDS OF TRAPPINGS EVERY YEAR HERE, SO I FEEL THAT IT'S TIME FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE AND IT'S TIME TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR A SPAY AND NEUTER FACILITY TO GET THESE NUMBERS OUT OF CONTROL.

THANK YOU. . ER THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> GOOD MORNING, SIR, WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS PETER DIETRICH, I LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE A VIDEO WHICH SAYS IT

BETTER THAN I COULD POSSIBLY DO. ( PLAYING VIDEO ). >> HERE AT THE ANIMAL CARE CENTER, WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR TRAP NEUTER PROGRAM FOR MANY YEARS.

IT SURPRISES US EVERY YEAR, BEFORE THE TNR PROGRAM, THERE WAS NO PROGRAM TO HELP MITIGATE THESE CONCERNS TO ADDRESS THE ONGOING COMPLAINTS GOING ON WITH CATS IN THE COMMUNITY AND SO AS A RESULT OF GETTING SUCH A PROGRAM, IT'S ALLOWED US TO CHANGE THE MAKE-UP OF NOT ONLY OUR INTERNAL OPERATIONS BUT HOW WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN WHAT WE'RE STRIVING TO ACCOMPLISH.

>> FINDING THING ONE THING THAT WORKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH, WE'RE SOLVING PROBLEMS FOR THEM. THERE'S SO MUCH THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT A SPAY/NEUTER RELEASE PROGRAM WHEN YOU'RE IN A LARGE AGENCY, TAKING IN CATS DAY AFTER DAY, NOT HAVING AN OUTCOME FOR CATS THAT ARE COMMUNITY CATS WAS NOT THE ANSWER.

EUTHANIZING THEM WAS NOT THE ANSWER FOR THE COMMUNITY. SPAYING AND NEUTERING THEM, MAKING SURE THEY'RE VACCINATED WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THE MOST LOGICAL,

REASONABLE THING AND THE SAFEST THING FOR THEM. >> IN THE SPRING OF 2017, WE STARTED WORKING WITH BEST FRIENDS ON A PILOT COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM AT OUR COACHELLA VALLEY ANIMAL CAMPUS, IT HAD INCREASED BY 76%, THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL WE'RE

LOOKING TO EXPAND IT INTO OUR ENTIRE RIVERSIDE SHELTER SYSTEM. >> WE'RE SEEING LESS CAT INS THE SHELTER WHICH IS GREAT. IT'S NOT BEEN A HARD TRANSITION FOR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS, THEY WANTED SOMETHING TOO. I THINK WHAT IT BOILED DOWN TO WAS WHAT RESOURCES OUR ACO'S COULD BRING FORTH TO THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE, DOG BITES, CRUELTY TO ANIMALS, PARKING DOGS, OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AT OUR DEPARTMENT, PEOPLE ARE PRESSING TO GET DONE. THE MORE TIME MY OFFICERS HAVE TO DO THESE REPORTS, THE BETTER

>> DEALING WITH BITES, DEALING WITH ANIMAL CRUELTY AND NEGLECT CASE AND IS FOCUSING ON THE

NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANT US TO BE FOCUSED ON. >> THE SURPRISE HAS BEEN THE LACK OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE WHEN THIS FIRSTS COMES UP MANY TIMES, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE INUNDATED WITH THESE CATS SURROUND THING NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

>> THANK YOU MR, DIETRICH. >> I FELT SO BAD FOR CLINGING IN.

( -- CALLING IN. ( VIDEO COMPLETED ). >> THANK YOU, MR. DIETRICH.

>> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS HEIDI AND I'M ALSO GOING TO SHOW A VIDEO.

COULD SOMEONE TURN THE VOLUME UP A LITTLE BIT FOR US. >> THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT

RIGHT NOW, YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY. >> ( SHOWING VIDEO ).

>> ONCE THEY HEAR WE HAVE A PROGRAM AFFILIATED WITH US LIKE THIS, IT'S ALL BETTER.

IT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY, BENEFITS THE ORGANIZATION, IT BENEFITS EVERYTHING ACROSS THE

BOARD. >> DOING THIS HAS AFFECTED THE COMMUNITY TO SHOW THEM WE'RE NOT THE BAD GUNSLINGER WE DON'T WANT TO PICK SOMEBODY'S ANIMAL UP AND EUTHANIZE THEM, WE WANT THEY TO* GIVE THEM HELP, A CAT TEARING UP THE TRASH CAN, SPRINGING MORE TIME WITH THESE CITIZENS, THEY SEE YOU'RE NOT THE BAD GUY, THEY DON'T THINK WE DO, BY SPENDING TIME WITH THEM, SHOWING THEM DETERRENCE, THEY SEE WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS AND IT'S BEEN A BIG CHANGE.

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>> WOUNDING -- WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC WITH DETERRENCE AND TRAP THING CATS AND HELPING GET

THEM FIXED HAS BEEN THE HIGHLIGHT OF A LOT OF WHAT I DO. >> THE BIGGEST SURPRISE FOR ME WITH THIS PROGRAM IS HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS EMBRACED IT, HOW THEY HAVE EXPABD BANDED IN THE

COMMUNITY. >> IT'S BEEN GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY SO FAR.

>> BASICALLY I'VE BEEN HERE 16 YEARS AND WE RUN OURSELVES TO DEATH WITH CAT CALLS, BRING THEM IN, HELP THE MANDATORY LAW, 72 HOURS, EUTHANIZED, FILL THEM BACK, A CONTINUAL PROCESS, SO FINALLY YOU JUST HAD TO SAY THIS IS NOT WORKING, SO I STARTED WATCHING SOME WEBINARS, DOING SOME HOMEWORK ON TNR PROGRAMS AND SOLUTIONS TO CATS. WE JUST HAD TO TRY SOMETHING NEW AND I FELT LIKE IT MAY SOUND DRASTIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER RESOURCES, IT WAS THAT WHAT HAVE I GOT TO LOSE ATTITUDE. IT IS DEFINITELY CHEAPER AND THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME TRACTION IF YOU'RE A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT WITH YOUR COUNTY MANAGER OR YOUR CITY LEADERS OR YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE HAD THE SPAY TO DAY CLINIC OPEN UP TO DO AS MANY CATS WE COULD, WE TRAPPED 42 CATS, 21 WERE FEMALES, ALL OF THEM WERE PREGNANT WITH FIVE BABE DIS EACH. WHEN I DID THE MATH OF EUTHANIZING, IT'S THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, WE PAID $40 PER SURGERY, SO UNDER A THOUSAND, WE FIXED ALL THOSE ANIMALS, RETURNED THEM TO THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY BEING FED AND GETTING FOOD SOURCES, WE'RE PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY AND THE CATS AND SAVING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS , THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING GOAT G TET ATTENTION. ( VIDEO COMPLETED ).

>> HI THERE, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, CARRY, 626 MARY JANE LANE, I HAVE LIVED HERE ALSO FOR 29 YEAR AND IS ALSO A VOTER, I'M GOING FINISH OUT THIS VIDEO AND I HAVE A

TRANSCRIPT IF YOU CAN'T HEAR. >> WE'VE MAXED OUT THE VOLUME. >> THANK YOU.

( VIDEO PLAYING ). >> FOR COMMUNITY CAT STERILIZATION IS HIGH, IT -- THROUGH THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM WEBSINGER REDUCED THAT OVER TO 16 THOUSAND SO WE'VE REDUCED INTAKE BY TEN THOUSAND AP MALL INS A SHORT AM OF TIME. WE ARE SO PROUD TO SAY THAT OUR SAVE RATE IS ABOUT 90% FOR CATS AND THAT REALLY NO CATS ARE EUTHANIZED FOR BEHAVIORAL REASONS AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY BUY-IN, WE LOVE THE PROGRAM.

IF OUR COMMUNITY, IF THE PEOPLE OF TUCSON DIDN'T LOVER IT AND DIDN'T FIND IT TO BE A WONDERFUL SOLUTION, IT WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT ONLY HAPPENING BUT EVERY YEAR IT'S

GROWING AND WE'RE GETTING MORE REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO OTHER ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS OR ANYBODY THAT'S SKEPTICAL OF THE PROGRAM IS TO TRY IT, LET IT GO ON FOR A WHILE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF CATS BEING IMPOUNDED GO DOWN AND THE NUMBER OF CATS IN THE SHELTER GO DOWN. TLFRJTS COMES A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO TAKE A STAN STANCE, YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO JUST DO THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN

AS I SAID EARLIER AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. >> I HAVE WORKED IN RURAL AREAS AND WORKED IN LARGE MUNICIPALITY AND IS WORKED IN AREAS WITH SNOW AND DESERTERS

AND IT WORKS, IT'S JUST THIS PROGRAM IS EFFECTIVE. >> AND THE PROGRAM REALLY HAS TAUGHT ME AND SHOWED ME THERE IS ALTERNATIVES TO WHAT I HAVE KNOWN TO DO WITH THE FERAL

COMMUNITY CASES. >> THE BIGGEST SURPRISE IS HOW QUICKLY IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS OUR EUTHANASIA NUMBERS DROPPED, ALSO HOW MANY CITIZENS HAVE THANKED US.

>> OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS WANT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS FOR CONSTITUENTS AND TNR AND COMMUNITY CAT STERILIZATION OFFERS US THIS EASY WAY O DO THAT.

>> AND IT'S HUMANE AND IT'S THE SOLUTION THAT OUR COMMUNITIES WANT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

( VIDEO COMPLETE ). >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR VIDEOS.

I JUST ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE ARE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO SAVE MONEY USING THE TNVR PROGRAM VERSUS CATCH AND KILL. YOU CAN WATCH THAT THERE ON THE

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>> YES, MA'AM F YOU TURN THAT IN, IT WILL BE IN THE RECORD, THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. HI. >> HI.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. HI, IANY NAME IS PATTY HELIS, I LIVE AT 1197 WINTER HAWK DRIVE AND I'M A REGISTERED VOTER. WHAT I'M HERE FOR IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID IS OUT THERE ALREADY BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE THE SAY IS I'M A TRAP P*ER AND I NEED HELP, I REALLY NEED YOUR HELP. TNR IS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE SEEN SO FAR THAT WORKS. I'VE BEEN OUT TO BEST FRIENDS IN UTAH AND I VOLUNTEERED THERE AND THEY HAVE THE LARGEST FACILITY IN THE UNITED STATES, NOTHING IS ANY BIGGER THAN BEST FRIENDS, IT'S MILES AND MILES BIG. NOW THEY DO TNR AND IT WORKS.

THE NETHERLANDS, THE COUNTRY NETHERLANDS HAVE NO CAT PROBLEM.

IT WORKS. TNR WORKS, WE JUST NEED YOUR HELP.

I WILL GET CALLS THIS SPRING AND SOME I'LL BE ABLE TO HELP AND SOME I WON'T, BUT WHEN I GET THE CALLS AND THEY SAY I HAVE A MAMMA CAT UNDERNEATH THE TREE HERE, COULD YOU PLEASE COME AND GET RID OF HER AND DO SOMETHING, SHE'S GOING TO HAVE KITTENS, YES, THAT'S A DIRE NEED, I HAVE TO DO IT. I DON'T HAVE TO BUT I DO, DO IT AND I'M A VOLUNTEER, I DON'T WORK FOR ANY ORGANIZATION. THE MONEY COME FROM MY POCKET AND I HAVE TO PAY EVERY TIME AND I KNOW THAT AND AS FOR MY SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK, THAT COME INS, BUT TNR WORK AND IS WE NEED YOUR HELP. YOU ALREADY KNOW BASICALLY HOW IT WORKS, IT IS MANDATORY HONESTLY TO A POINT THIS SPRING, THERE WON'T BE ANY PLACE TO PUT THESE KITTENS.

THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH NOW. SPRING WILL COME AND THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A SINGLE RESCUE, NOT SAVE, NONE OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IN ANYMORE KITTIES, THERE WILL BE TOO M SO IF WE DON'T DO TNR NOW, THIS MONTH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN EXPLOSION THIS SPRING X THERE'S A PROBLEM AGAIN.

A*F A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY'RE FOR IT BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING THE CATS BACK.

YES, I CAN HELP YOU BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE KITTENS WHEN I BRING THEM BACK.

DON'T BRING THEM BACK HERE. I DID ALL THOSE CATS, DID THEM ALL, BROUGHT THEM BACK AND THE GROUNDS KEEPER CALLED ALL HIS BUDDIES AND THEY SAID GET RID OF THESE CATS, HOW DARE YOU BRING THEM ALL BACK, I HAD TO RECATCH ALL OF THEM, HE CALLED ANIMAL CONTROL AND THE LADIES THERE ARE NICE, THEY SAID, PATTY, DO YOU HAVE A PLACE FOR THE CATS AND I DID, I HAD AN ABANDONED APARTMENT HOUSE THAT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT AND I HAD THEM TAKEN BACK THERE.

FROM THERE, I TRIED TO FIND HOMES FOR WILD CATS. THERE IS NO PLACE EXCEPT FOR OPERATION CATNIP IN GAINESVILLE, BLESS THEM, THEY TOOK EVERY HOOVER THEM AND PUT THEM OUT TO FARMS, THAT'S RARE AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN AND THERE'S A LONG

WAITING LINE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >> CONVOYING, JACKIE LEBLANC, ST. AUGUSTINE. I SIT ON THE BOARD FOR THE CAT FOUNDATION.

THE FOUNDER OF THIS FOUNDATION WOULD NOT BE HERE THIS MORNING BECAUSE SHE'S VOLUNTEERING IN THE SURGE ROOM AS SHE DOES IN FLAG LEER COUNTY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SURNL RI ROOMS HERE IN ST. JOHNS, THE FOUNDATION I'M ON, THEY FIXED 550 CATS LAST YEAR, 550, WE SPENT OVER 45 THOUSAND DOLLARS HELPING POOR PEOPLE IN HASTINGS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, IT'S JOUSTER UNBELIEVER. I WANT TO CLARIFY TOO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR FURYS THAT PEOPLE CATCH AND TAKE THEM TO THE CAT CAFE, THESE TRAP PERS WEAR GLOVE AND IS THESE ARE WILD CAT TS T MAJORITY OF THEM ARE NOT ADOPTABLE. EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE ADOPTABLE, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS DURING KITTEN SEASON, THIS IS WHY THE R IN RETURN IS TNVR, FEMALE FELINES DO NOT HAVE MENOPAUSE, THEY CONTINUE TO BREED AND BREED AND BREED.

FIXING THEM AND VACCINATING THEM ABSLAOUPTLY HELPS WITH PUBLIC HEALTH, IT REDUCES

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WE KNOW THERE'S NOT AN ANSWER BUT WE CAN WORK ON SOLUTIONS TOGETHER.

THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT IN THIS COMMUNITY AS YOU CAN SEE. I'M GOING SUBMIT TO YOU SO FAR OUR PETITION THAT HAS 1066 SIGNATURES ON IT TO START A PROGRAM LIKE THIS OR AT LEAST WORK TOWARD IT, ALL OF THE ZIP CODES, 99% OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS AND THAT'S JUST WE *F WHERE WE ARE SO FAR. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING THE GIVE UP, THIS IS CONCERNING. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, I KNOW YOU'RE AN ANIMAL LOVER AND THIS IS A 29 PAGE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE TO YOUR PRESENTATION, THE LINKERS TO THE VIDEOS YOU SAW ARE IN THIS PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE IT, I'LL SUBMIT IT TO THE CLERK SO WE HAVE IT ON RECORD ALONG WITH THE PETITION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MS. LEBLANC. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

EMILIA HARVEY, [INAUDIBLE]. IN 2024, I STOOD BEFORE THIS BOARD REGARD THING PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY OWNED BY ROBINSON IMPRAO*UMENT PROPERTY.

13 MONTHS AFTER THAT DEVELOP. WAS DENIED, I WAS SERVED A SUBPOENA, TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, I WAS SERVE HATED SUBPOENA ON CHRISTMAS EVE WHILE I WAS BAKING COOKIES.

THIS IS A CLEAR EVENT FOR THE FLORIDA SLACK LEGISLATION. OUR STATE LAW ARES MEANT TO PROTECT CITIZEN FROM LEGAL HARASSMENT FOR SPEAKING ON PUBLIC DISSUASIONS BY TARGETING US AS THIRD PARTIES INSTEAD OF SUING US DIRECTLY, THIS DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO AVOID THE LAW AND USE THE LEGAL PROCESS AS WEAPON AGAINST US. THIS BEHAVIOR IS APOR RANT AND SIEVED TO SCARE PEOPLE AND PUNISH ANYONE WHO WANT TOS SPEAK UP.

IT TOOK ME TWO MONTHS TO COME HERE, IT ALMOST WORKED. I LEFT THE PARKING LOT TWICE THIS MORNING. I KNOW THERE IS AN ONGOING LAWSUIT AND MAYBE YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR HANDS ARE TIED BUT THE PRECEDENT HERE IS DANGEROUS, NOBODY IS GOING TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS ANYMORE AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR JOB POINTLESS.

TODAY I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO PUBLICLY CONDEMN THESE INTIMIDATION TAIKT I CANS AND TO SHOW US, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THAT OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK HERE IS VALUABLE AND WORTH PROTECTING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE].

>> HI, GOOD MORNING, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, I WANT TO FIND MY VIDEO.

GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS DAMIAN RANEY AT 661 MORGAN TREASURES ROAD HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT INDIAN HEAD AND ANOTHER 2026 VIOLATION. HERE'S A VIDEO, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE REFERENCE POINT AND IS BOUNDARY LINES WHEN WE VIEWING THE UPCOMING FOOTAGE.

EVERYTHING WITHIN YELLOW FALL NRS THE AREA THE COUNTY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT AREA IS BEYOND INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS PERMITTED BOUNDARIES. ACOUPLE OF DATES OF BEFORE AND AFTER THEY STARTED THEIR VIOLATION. HERE'S JANUARY 5, 2026, THERE

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AND BIOMASS PERMIT DOES NOT ALLOW FACILITIES TO ACCEPT SEPTIC WASTEWATER, WHILE -- WHY ARE THESE TRUCKS DUMPING INTO THE POND WITHIN INDIAN HEAD.

THE COUNTY HAS BEEN IN POSSESSION OF THESE VIDEOS SINCE NOVEMBER 13, 2025.

THE FOOTAGE SHOWS INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS OPERATING OUTSIDE PERMITTED BOUNDARIES, OUTSIDE APPROVED HOURS AND DUMPING INTO THE POND. THE COUNTY OFFICIALS HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED MULTIPLE TIMES, THESE VIOLATIONS HAVE CONTINUED SINCE MAY, 2025.

WHEN PREVIOUS VIOLATION ORDER WAS FORMALLY CLOSED. GIVEN DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE FOR REPEATED NOTICE, WHY IS THE COUNTY CHOOSING NOT TO TAKE ACTION? AND THAT QUESTION IS TO THE BOARD ITSELF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP ME OR NOT WITH THAT ANSWER. ANYONE? NO ONE?

OKAY, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SANDRA WILLIAMS, I LIVE IN THE TREASURE BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD. EARLIER THIS MONTH, I WHERE TO YOU REGARDING TITLE 47 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES, SPECIFICALLY CHAPTER 908 TITLED FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

THIS CHAPTER WAS ADDED LAST YEAR BY THE GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE.

I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE CHAPTER 908 APPEARS TO TAKE AUTHORITY AWAY FROM LOCALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS INCLUDING YOU AND OUR SHERIFF BY MANDATING QUALIFYING LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS JOIN THIS VOLUNTARY FEDERAL PROGRAM. THE STATE IS TAKING POWER AWAY FROM MY LOCALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS. THE PROGRAM IN QUESTION IS THE 287G PROGRAM WITH IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR ICE, FOR YEARS, PARTICIPATING IN 287G WAS OPTIONAL. FLORIDA'S CHAPTER 908 ENACTED IN 2025 REMOVES LOCAL DISCRETION MAKING PARTICIPATION IN A VOLUNTARY FEDERAL PROGRAM MANDATORY.

EVEN MORE CONCERNING IS HOW THIS LAW IS STRUCTURED. IT YAY *F CREATE AS BOARD WITHIN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT IS HEADED TOWARDS THE GOVERNOR AND CAB NRET AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE SUPERVISION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF LAW.

THAT CONCENTRATES EXTRAORDINARY POWER IN VERY FEW HANDS WITH VERY LITTLE OVERSIGHT AND CHAPTER 908 DOES NOT SIMPLY ENCOURAGE COMPLIANCE, IT CONTAINS PENALTIES AND CAN PERSONALLY FIND LOCAL OFFICIALS FOR NON-COOPRATION. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD BE HELD PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR DECISIONS MADE IN GOOD FAITH TO PROTECT YOUR CONSTITUETS.

CHAPTER 908 ALSO OFFERS FINANCIAL INSENT TIER THAT IS MAY DIRECT LOCALLY FUNDED OFFICERS AWAY FROM LOCAL POLICING TO DO THE WORK OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

RECENTLY ICE ADVISED ITS OFFICERS THEY MAY FORCIBLY ENTER HOMES OF INDIVIDUALS SUBJECT TO DEPORTATION WITHOUT WARRANTS SIGNED BY JUDGES. WHETHER THAT GUIDANCE WITHSTANDS LEGAL SCRUTINY OR NOT, IT RAISES FOURTH AMENDMENT CONCERNS.

FOURTH AMENDMENT PROTECTS PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY REGARDLESS OF CITIZENSHIP FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES. UNDER CHAPTER 908, A LOCAL OFFICIAL OR EMPLOYEE CAN BE CHARGED WITH OBSTRUCTING AN ICE OPERATION.

THEY COULD FACE PERSONAL FINES AND BE BARRED FROM SINGING PUBLIC FUNDS FOR THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE. WITH SO MUCH AT STAKE, FOR YOU PERSONALLY AND FOR EVERY RESIDENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I URGE YOU TO HAVE YOUR LOCAL COUNTY LEGAL COUNSEL LOOK INTO

THIS NEW CHAPTER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS,

MA'AM, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. >> GOOD MORNING, SHERRY BADGER,

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FBI, GOD BLESS Y'ALL, HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> THANK YOU, MS. BADGER.

YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING, WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING, DAVE HANKLER, SHORE DRIVE, WE CAN'T HAVE A MEETING WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT SHORE DRIVE. IN THE DEBATE REGARDING SHORE DRIVE TRAIL, THERE HAS BEEN MUCH DISCUSSION FOR THE NEED TO BUILD A PROJECT THAT IS ADA COMPATIBLE. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WHETHER THE PARK IS COMPATIBLE WITH ADA.

THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THAT SHORE DRIVE IS CURRENTLY NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

WHEN THE COUNTY TOOK OVER THE MOWING GRASSY PORTIONS OF THE RAMP, IT MAY HAVE OPEN ADD CAN OF WORMS WITH THE ADA, MOWING ITSELF DOES NOT REQUIRE ADA COMPLIANCE, MOWING FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE DOES NOT TRIG TER AD ARK, MOW HATING MA FA* SILL TAINTS DOES HAVE TO DO WITH ADA PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. MOW ISING THE FOUNDATION OF PASSIVE USES SUCH AS WALKING AND JOGGING, PICNICKING, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY, TO THROW AND CATCH A BALL OR RUN AROUND THE OPEN SPACE AND MAKE NOISE WITH THEIR FRIENDS.

PARKS AND REC, IF THEY DON'T MOW THE PARK, THE QUALITY AND QUALITY OF THOSE PASS IVE USES DECLINES, WEEDS MAKE WALKING PRETTY TOUGH. IT'S A PUBLIC USE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, NOT MAINTENANCE. CURRENTLY THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR HANDICAPPED ACCESS.

IT WOULD MAKE SIGNIFICANT STRIDES, NOT MENTION ADDRESSING THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ISSUE ON THE ROAD WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES. WITHOUT IT, THE COUNTY COULD FACE EXPENSIVE PROS TEKT OF PROVIDING REASONABLE MODIFICATION AND IS ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE HANDICAPPED OVER MUCH OF THE PARK.

THE RATIONALE, THE LEGAL RATIONALE FOR ACCESS SEEMS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND IRONICALLY ANYONE SAYING PEOPLE SHOULD JUST WALK IN THE PARK INSTEAD OF THE ROAD IS HELPING TO MAKE THAT CASE. BECAUSE MANY HANDICAPPED PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT AND LEGALLY THEY ARE ENTITLED TO REASONABLE ACCESS TO THE PARK. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU CONSULT WITH YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE MAKING FINAL DECISIONS AFFECTING THE PROPOSED TRAIL, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND ALMOST EVERY FEDERAL STATE AND MUNICIPAL PARK AROUND THE COUNTRY HAS AN ADA PATH IN SOME WAY, EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD LIKE SHORE DRIVE TO BE AN EXCEPTION. REGARD THING ADA, THE PLAN FOR PARK AFFILIATED PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK IN THE ROAD, THERE MUST BE AN ADA COMPLIANT MEANS DOING THAT, IF IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO WALK IN THE PARK, THERE MUST BE AN ADA COMPLIANT WALKWAY IN THE PARK.

THE COUNTY TOOK OVER MOWING TO LESS -- LESSEN ITS LIABILITY RISKS, ADDRESSING CURRENT ADA

COMPLIANCE IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD MORNING, VICKY, WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS VICKY PEPPER, LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF FOR RACIAL EQUITY.

CARES ADVOCATED ON BEHALF OF UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES WHOSE VOICES MAY NOT ALWAYS GET HEARD WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE TOWARDS BUILD INING ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE BELOVED COMMUNITY IN WHICH EVERYBODY CAN LIVE IN SAFETY AND SECURITY WHERE NEIGHBORS LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER AND ALL CAN THRIVE. ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORS FACING MOBILITY CHALLENGES, CARES PROCEEDED WITH THE SHORE LINE TRAIL BUT THEN YOU VOTED 3-2 NOT EXTENDING THE GRANT.

NO QUESTION THIS TRAIL HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE DIVISIVE IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE THE PRIMARY THOUGH NOT THE ONLY BENEFICIARIES OF USERS OF THIS PICTURESQUE COUNTY PARK. OVER THE LAST YEAR, A COMPROMISE PLAN HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, AN 8 FOOT WIDE AND GREEN SPACE NEXT TO THE WATER HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED INTO A FIVE FOOT WHITE TRAIL, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, MANY TRAIL PONDS SUPPORT THEY SUPPORT A SIDEWALK NEAR THE ROAD AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE FOOT WIDE TRAIL TO HAVE

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HE KEEPS COMING BACK TO THE SAFETY ISSUE. LAST WEEK I SPOKE TO RETIRED FIRE CHIEF JEFF WHO LIVES ON SHORE DRIVE, HE CONFIRMED THE LACK OF AN OFF THE ROAD TRAIL ON SHORE DRIVE CONTINUES TO BE A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE, FOR REASONS OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND EQUITY, DO THE RIGHT THING AND PROCEED WITH THE COMPROMISE PLAN.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. PEPPER. GOOD MORNING, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS, MY FLAME IS BRUCE, 2706 SHORE DRIVE, AGAIN, SHORE DRIVE IS A PARK, IT SAYS RIGHT THERE, SHORE DRIVE PARK, IT'S VISIT ST. AUGUSTINE.COM.

I DO ALSO -- THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER ATTACHED TO THAT, IT'S ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOVERNMENT OFFICER NUMBER THAT YOU CAN CALL AND IT WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S AN ADDRESS THAT PROMOTES THE PARK, THAT'S JUST NEXT DOOR TO MY SPOT TELEVISING'S AMENITIES, BOAT RAMP, WALKING PADS, WILDLIFE HEALING, WILDLIFE, THERE'S THE ADDRESS AGAIN, PARKING, PARKING IS IN FRONT OF THIS SITE. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING BECAUSE IN FRONT OF THAT ADDRESS THERE IS -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS UP, I SH -- I'M NOT AS SMART AS MY PHONE.

WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS ONE, ALRIGHT. THAT'S -- I GUESS THAT'S THE PARKING AREA THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. JUST TO MAKE THIS SHORTER, ON FEBRUARY 11, THERE WAS A COUNTY MEETING AT THE CLUBHOUSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHILE THEY WERE HAVING THE MEETING, PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE AND VOICE THEIR OPINION WHICH IS KIND OF THE FIRST THING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH IN REGARDS TO THIS TRAIL.

THE TALLY SO FAR BETWEEN THAT X THE TWO DAYS LATER AT A FOOD TRUCK FRIDAY AT THE SAME COMMUNITY HOUSE, THE TOTAL COUNT WAS 192, 157 WAS AGAINST, 35 WERE PRO AND THIS WAS FOR THE REDESIGN QUOTE COMPROMISE THAT THE COUNTY CAME UP WITH IN REGARDS TO THIS TRAIL.

I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. MILIKEN.

YES, MA'AM, GOOD MORNING. >> NAME IS CARRI-ANN, I LIVER ON POMPANO ROAD IN ST.

AUGUSTINE SOUTH AND I'M HERE ABOUT THE TRAIL. I WANTED TO MENTION, BRUCE'S NUMBERS ARE KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE A NUMBER OF PRO TRAIL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN POO POOING THE FACT WE ONLY GOT 179 VOTES AT THE MEETING AND SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD ANOTHER FOOD TRUCK THING WEBSINGER EVE GOT MORE VOTES, WE HAVE 192 TOTAL AND 85% OF THOSE PEOPLE, THEY'RE ALL RESIDENTS OF ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH, AND 85% OF THEM VOTED AGAINST THE TRAIL.

AND PEOPLE WERE LAUGHING ABOUT THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW WHAT, BACK IN 2020, THEY HAD A MEETING THAT WAS CALLED BY THE COUNTY WHEN THEY FIRST BROUGHT THIS TRAIL UP, 45 PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT THAT MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT KNEW ABOUT IT AND THEY THEN USED THAT 45 PERSON MEETING TO SUPPORT THE GRANT APPLICATION FOR THIS TRAIL.

SO, THEY HAD 45 PEOPLE AT A MEETING AND THAT'S ENOUGH TO SUPPORT A GRANT APPLICATION.

WE GET 192 VOTE AND IS THEY'RE LAUGHING AT US. THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERS ME

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AND ABOUT 30% OF THE NEW TRAIL IS NOT ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE IT HAS SWAIL, DITCHES, FENCING, RAILS, AND THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THE TRAIL IS 20 TO 50 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD AWAY FROM GREEN SPACES. THEY DIDN'T PUT IT THERE BECAUSE THE GRAEN SPACE IS TOO WET TO PUT A WHEELCHAIR IN, YOU CAN'T WALK WITH A CANE ACROSS THE GREEN SPACES, YOU CAN ONLY GET ON TO THE TRAIL IF YOU HAVE THESE FOUR SPOT AND IS IT ISN'T HELPING THE ADA PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOT JUST NOT CRINGING ABOUT ADA PEOPLE, IT'S NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ADA PEOPLE.

THAT'S A FALSE FLAG. >> CAROL GANGY, ST. AUGUSTINE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIL.

ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH REPRESENTS 1.46% OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WHY SPEND 1.6 MILLION ON THIS SMALL PERCENTAGE? THERE ARE NO STATISTICS THAT PROVE THAT ST. AUGUSTINE SHORE DRIVE IS NOT A SAFE ROAD FOR PEDESTRIANS. IT IS ONLY OPINIONSBACKER OPINION. IF CONSTRUCTION STARTS, IT'S GOING TO OFFEND THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY TO SEE THE HORRIFIC DESTRUCTION OF THE PARK THAT WE SO LOVE.

THIS MAY CHANGE PEOPLE'S MINDS ON THE TRUE IMPACT THAT WILL TAKE PLACE BUT IT WILL BE TOO LATE. WE HAVE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONERS THAT SAY THEY WANT TO BUILD THIS TRAIL IN MEMORY OF A PAST COMMISSIONER AND MAKING IT MORE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. OVER 300 PEOPLE SHOWED TOUP THE LAST WEDNESDAY'S MEETING TO LEARN ABOUT THIS PLAN AND THE MAJORITY DIDN'T WANT IT. WOULD PAST COMMISSIONER WALDRON APPROVE THE DIVISION THAT IT'S CAUSING IN HIS COMMUNITY WITH THIS TRAIL? MOVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO THE WALDRON ST. SEBASTIAN BOAT RAMP PARK AND LET 98% OF THE COUNTY ENJOY IT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO BRING TOURISTS TO WALK AND ENJOY THE WATERFRONT WITH PLENTY OF PARKING. PLEASE DO NOT DRIVE THEM FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS TLAU SMALL SUBDIVISION WITH NO SIDEWALK AND IS CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THIS PAST SUNDAY WAS TRANSFIGURATION SUNDAY, OUR CONGREGATION WAS CHALLENGED TO SPEND ONE MINUTE OF SILENCE FOR ONE DAY TO LISTEN TO GOD OES VOICE. GOD WANTS US TO LISTEN TO HIM TO DO HIS BEST OF HIS PLAN IN OUR LIVES. I CHALLENGE YOU TODAY TO LISTEN TO GOD, TO HEAR HIS VOICE AND TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT VOTED FOR YOU.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING SO THAT YOUR ACTIONS ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT IN YOUR DISTRICT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

DO THE RIGHT THING, ONE MINUTE STARTS NOW. SOMETIMES SILENCE SPEAKS LOUDER

THAN WORDS. >> WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, MS.

TAYLOR, WELCOME BACK. >> GOOD MORNING, DORIS TAYLOR, ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO REPLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT RECEIVING SUBPOENAS AND

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AND I AGREE WITH MR. MAKINERNI WHO SAYS DON'T LET ANYONE INTIMIDATE YOU, EXERCISE YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND PARTICIPATE. WHAT I CAME FOR, AN OLD ATTORNEY FRIEND OF MINE TOLD ME THE FIRST THING HE LEARN INED LAW SCHOOL WAS THE FOLLOWING RULE, IF THE FACTS ARE WITH YOU, ARGUE THE FACTS. IF YOU CAN'T PROVE FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION, ATTACK YOUR OPPONENT. PLEASE KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME AND OTHERS RESORT TO AD HONYNINUM ATTACKS, THEY MUST NOT HAVE FACT TOS STAND ON. A FEW THING TOS CONSIDER, THE DRAWINGS FOR THE PROPOSED SHORE DRIVE TRAIL IS DATED NOVEMBER 2025, THAT'S THREE MONTHS AGO, HOWEVER MOST OF US WERE NOT GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT OR SEE THOSE DRAWINGS UNTIL LAST WEEK AT WHICH POINT WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE FINAL PLANS. THAT'S NOT COLLABORATION OR COMPROMISE. WHAT IT IS IS MANIPULATIVE AND INSULTING.

THE RECENT DRIVING SLOW THE PATH SEPARATED BY THE ROAD BY A DITCH FOR APPROXIMATELY 27% OF THE DISTANCE. THAT'S 27% OF THE TIME WHEN A NEIGHBOR GOES TO SHORE DRIVE, FREQUENTLY WALKING, THEY CAN'T GET ON THE PATH, THERE'S A DITCH OR A FENCE OR SOMETHING BETWEEN THEM. AND THEN ANOTHER 20 SOMETHING PERCENT OF THE TIME, THERE'S MORE THAN 10 FEET, FREQUENTLY SOGGY GROUND. SO, THIS PATH IS NOT SERVING US, APPROXIMATELY HALF OF IT IS NOT REASONABLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE ROAD TO USE AS A PATH TO GET OFF THE STREET AND OUT OF THEORETICAL TRAFFIC. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. TAYLOR. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING, MS. LONG.

>> MAUREEN LONG, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I BRING GOOD NEWS TODAY FROM THE ISLAND, FISH ISLAND PRESERVE. ON THE COOL, CRISP SATURDAY MORNING FEBRUARY 7 FROM 8 A.M. TO 11 A.M. T CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE RIVER KEEP AND HER THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER.

50 HARDWORKING VOLUNTEERS GAVE THEIR TIME AND MUCH ENDURANCE TO REMOVE TWO TONS OF DEGREE FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH ENDS OF FISH ISLAND RESERVE, A BIG THANK YOU TO THE VOLUNTEERS, THE CAPTAIN AND THEIR CREW THAT LED THOSE 50 VOLUNTEERS ON A THREE HOUR CLEANUP TOUR.

THEY HAULED NINE TIRES FROM MUD AND MUCK. YOU KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF MUD AND MUCK ON FISH ISLAND. WE FOUND SOME L SOLVES THAT SOMEBODY LEFT OUT THERE, TLA WAS A HELP FOR THAT. IT WAS AN AMAZING MORNING TO SEE THE CONTINUED LOVE FOR FISH ISLAND FROM THE COMMUNITY TO SAVE IT FROM DEVELOPMENT AND HOW PROUD WE ARE THAT IT IS BEING PERMANENTLY PRESERVED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. I WANT TO THANK AGAIN AND HOPEFULLY SEE ALL THOSE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT AND FOR ANYONE WHO DIDN'T REMEMBER, FISH ISLAND WAS PERMANENTLY SAVED FROM DEVELOPMENT THANKS TO OUR GRASS ROOTS EFFORT TO SAVE FISH ISLAND T THE STATE OF FLORIDA PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2019 WITH FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS AND IT IS PERMANENTLY PRESERVED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. THANKS, EVERYBODY.

>> THANK YOU, MAUREEN. MR. HUNT, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES, 18 MONTHS AGO TODAY, THERE WAS THE HISTORIC VOTE THAT SHOWED THAT THE COMMITTEE COLLABORATED TOGETHER AND VOTED AS ONE TO CANCEL THE FCC WASTE MANAGEMENT

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WHY? THE FALSE NARRATIVE THAT WAS PUBLISHED THAT MONTH, THE FALSE NARRATIVE OF THE VIDEOS OF HOW WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM AND WE CAN CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND WE WANT TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND WE'VE ALL VOTED YES TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT 18 MONTHS AGO, THAT THEY ARE STILL HERE EVEN WITH THE ALL NATURAL GAS MOTOR POOL THAT THEY BUILT OFF OF -- I CAN'T THINK OF THE ROAD RIGHT NOW, BUT ANYHOW, THAT WAS 18 MONTHS AGO TODAY.

BECAUSE OF THAT SAME DAY, 18 MONTHS AGO, IT WAS A PRIMARY ELECTION TUESDAY.

WHAT KIND OF CONVENIENCE IS THAT? WOW, LET'S PICK A DATE.

THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WASN'T NOWHERE TO BE FOUND, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUSH THIS OUT, SHOW HOW MUCH WE WANT TO TAKE CARE TOF COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH THOSE FOUR THAT VOTED TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT VOTED TO PASS AND MAKE THEM A NEW CONTRACT TO WASTE MANAGEMENT HERE IN SAT JOHNS COUNTY. LOOK WHERE ALL THAT WENT. WATCH THE VIDEOS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THEY'RE STILL OUT. THE COMP PLAN, THE COMP PLAN 250, ALRIGHT, THE COFFINED -- COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF 250, AFTER WATCHING WHAT WAS GOING ON, IT SHOULD BE CALLED MORE LIKE THE COMPOST PLAN OF 250 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT IS. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

BECAUSE AS THESE COMMISSIONERS THAT SIT BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE STATE DOESN'T WANT IT T STATE WON'T LET US T STATE SAYS WE CAN'T DO THIS, INCENTIVE BILL 180 CAME OUT AND SAID WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN AND BE WITHIN OUR IN THIS COUNT THEY THE PEOPLE ELECTED US TO DO, WATCH AND LEARN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BECAUSE ADDITIONALLY 6 MONTHS FROM TODAY IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT DAY. IT IS PRIMARY ELECTION TUESDAY.

THAT MEANS THERE WILL BE TWO YEAR TOS THE DAY OF FCC CONTRACT THAT WAS CANCELLED TO 250 TRASH UP, RIGHT, THAT MEANS THAT ON SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY, WE THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS INSTEAD OF THE ONES WHO ARE SITTING UP ON THE HIGH DESK THERE.

IT'S A WHOLE THING, THIS IS THE COUNTYWIDE, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, BECAUSE COMPOSITION PLAN 250 IS GONE. >> THANK YOU, MR. HUNT.

ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? MS. COLITY, GOOD MORNING.

>> BJ COLITY, ST. AUGUSTINE, THERE'S STILL NO ACCESS TO THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING AT LEWIS SPEEDWAY AS WELL AS THE BUILDING AT 3370US1 SOUTH. MUG SHOT ARES STILL ONLY AVAILABLE IF ONE KNOWS NAMES OF INMATES. ACCORDING TO TO A PRESS RELEASE BY SHERIFF HARDWICK, THERE WERE 1131 ICE DEPORTATIONS FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THERE SHOULD BE AN UPDATE AS IT'S NOW FEBRUARY 2026 AND THERE HAVE BEEN PROTESTS IN THE CITY LIMITERS OF ST. AUGUSTINE. MR. TOM, CAN YOU ZOOM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LET ME ENCOURAGE ST. JOHNS CITIZEN AND MEDIA OUTLET ON THE WEBSITE DO A FOLLOW-UP, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR WHAT'S BEING DONE WITH THOSE THAT DO NOT BELONG HERE.

ANYONE -- REMEMBER, ANYONE CAN SMOKE CIGARS ON ST. JOHNS BEACHES, THAT'S DISCRIMINATION.

THANK YOU, ANIMAL CONTROL, AND MR. PAUL AND HIS STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO FOR THIS COUNTY AND IF OTHER PEOPLE GOT MORE MONEY, LET THEM HANDLE THE PROBLEMS. AND I WANT TO KNOW, WE ALL WANT TO KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE HERE THAT HASN'T PROBABLY BEEN IN THIS ROOM IN A WHILE OR EVER, AND THEY DON'T KNOW SOME OF THE RULES AND I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT ONE OF THESE RULES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S TIMES THAT WE'D BE TAKEN OUT IF WE DO SOMETHING WRONG, THAT'S WHY THE SHERIFF'S PEOPLE ARE HERE.

ARE WE ALLOWED TO CLAP? ARE WE ALLOWED TO CLAP? ARE WE ALLOWED TO CLAP?

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IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S OTHER PEOPLE TOO IN THIS CITY AND THIS COUNTY THAT COME IN HERE TO SPEAK WHAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT AND THERE'S NO ANSWERS MAYBE AT THE END, SO YOU HAVE TO STAY UNTIL THE END. ST. JOHNS CITIZEN, I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER BUT I FOUND HIM.

SORRY, CLAP. >> THANK YOU, MS. COLITY. YOU ALL CAN CLAP FOR HER, YOU ALL CAN. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR IE STEPS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

SEEING NO ONE ELSE RISE TO SPEAK, WE'LL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

[1. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2025-09 Las Calinas US-I Commercial Area.]

>> GREAT. ALRIGHT, WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD AND LET'S BEGIN WITH REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM. I WOULD LIKE THE START WITH

COMMISSIONER MURPHY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT. I HAD -- I'M GOIPG SAY 25 PLUS E-MAILS, I HAD A MEETING WITH TOMMY HAMOND WHO'S A RESIDENT AND STAFF ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM.

>> OKAY, GREAT. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU, I HAVE A RECORD OF 39 PLUS E-MAILS EVEN THOUGH I FEEL IT WAS A LOT MORE THAN THAT, I MET WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE AS THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY, WE WENT OVER THE CON SELL KHUL PLAN, SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY MADE TO IT AND WE DISCUSSED TRAFFIC IMPACTS. MET WITH MR. TOMMY HAM MONDAY HERE IN THE OFFICE, HE'S A RESIDENT, IT ABUTS HIS HOUSE, WE DISCUSSED WET LAND AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH SAM MILL WHORE'S REPRESENTING THE OPPOSITION, HE DISCUSSED HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THE UPZONING, THE

APPROPRIATENESS OF THE UPZONING AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS. >> GREAT, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> YES, I HAD AT LEAST 50 OR MORE, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR WEEKS OF E-MAILS.

ITYED HAVE A PHONE CALL AND A MEET WITCHING JAMES WHITEHURST AND A MEETING WITH TOMMY HA*M

CONTENDER, THE RESIDENT. >> I HAD MORE THAN 12 E-MAILS, I HAD CLOSER TO 50, I ALSO CHASED A MEET WITCHING JAMES WHITEHOUSE, SAM MILLER REPRESENTED THE OPPOSITION AND I HAD AN EMERGENCY LAST WEEK, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE OF THE RESIDENT THAT IS I ENDED UP CANCELING OUR MEETING, I READ THE E-MAIL AND IS LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THE ITEM.

>> GREAT, AND I HAD MANY, MANY, MANY E-MAILS, WELL OVER 100 E-MAILS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED ON THIS, HAID A MEETING WITH MIKE AND I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH TOMMY HAMMOND AND STAFF, ALSO I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT -- I'LL MENTION THE DESIGNATED SPEAKERS AFTERWARDS, I'LL LET

YOU GO FIRST, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, JAMES WHITEHOUSE, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP, I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWN AND HER THE APPLICANT.

THIS IS FOR MAJOR MOD 2025-09. AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON U.S. 1 JUST NORTH OF THE PA LENS YA INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY INTERSECTION, IT IS ON THE U.S. 1 FEDERAL HIGHWAY . LOOKS LIKE THE BATTERY'S GOING DEAD.

HE'S GOING TO ADVANCE FOR ME I THINK. IT'S LOCATED ON U.S. 1 JUST

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IT'S LOCATED JUST NORTH OF ALL THESE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THAT -- KNOW THAT'S JUST AT THE INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARK WAY INTERSECTION WITH U.S. 1.

IT'S PART OF THE LAS CALINAS PUD APPROVED AS PART OF THE PUD IN THAT AREA THAT WAS APPROVED SUBJECT SUBSEQUENT TO THE PROVE OF THE DO OSIER, YOU CAN SEE IT AS KEENING TON PUD AS WELL AS LAS CALINAS PUD, IT'S FOUND TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH U.S. 1. IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE. AND IT'S SHOWN ON NOT ONLY THE LAS CALINAS PUD BUT ALSO THE KEENING TON PUD, YOU WILL SEE A NUMBER OF MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS WHO LIVE WITHIN THE KEENING TON PUD, AS PART OF THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE PUD, IT'S SPECIFICALLY APPROVED FOR THESE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES, SOME OF THEM AND THAT'S BY RIGHT TODAY, SOME OF THEM BEING PERSONAL PROPERTY MANY WAREHOUSES, AS WELL AS RECREATION BOAT STORAGE.

IT EATS ALSO APPROVED FOR CULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES WHICH INCLUDE MANY USES LIKE LIBRARIES GALLERIES, MUSEUMS, SCHOOLS, COMMUNITY CENTERS AND PRIVATE CLUBS, IT'S ALSO APPROVED FOR OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL S*FRS FROM OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS HAS IN DIFFERENT USES INCLUDING RETAIL USES, RESTAURANTS, GENERAL OFFICES, ETC., NEXT SLIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE TELEVISING'S MANY OF THOSE USE THAT IS ARE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, A STONE'S THROW TO THE SOUTH OF THIS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. THIS IS THE LANGUAGE FROM THE LAS KA LEGAL NAS PUD THAT'S CURRENTLY ENFORCED, LAS CALINAS IS ONE OF THREE PUD'S WITHIN THE MARSHAL CREEK DUI, IT WAS PART OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, FILLS A MARKET DEMAND AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL.

THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR 13 THOUSAND FOOT OF, THIS WAS COMPLEMENTAL TO THE AREA, THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED IS UP IN THE FRONT ON THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY BUFFERED FROM ANY NEIGHBORHOOD BY A NUMBER OF WETLANDS AND LANDS AND TREE AND FOLIAGE.

IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN THE PUD HOW THIS IS REGULAR BAITED BY -- REGULATED BY THE FAR , WE STILL WANT TO DEVELOP ON THOSE SAME GUIDELINES ON THE UP LANDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

WITHIN THAT PUD, AS IS ENFORCED TODAY IN 1.4 LAND USE CONCEPT, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THE MASTER PLAN IS DESIGNED TO BE FLEXIBLE IN ORDER TO RESPOND TO CHANGES IN MARKET DEMRANDS AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. THE INITIAL PUD AS YOU SAW SHOWS NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THAT PROPERTY IT JUST SHOWS THE FACT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL PARCEL THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE FROM THE PUD THAT I SPOKE OF EARLIER WHICH CLEARLY SHOWS TAT ALL OF THESE USE CLASSIFICATIONS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PUD AND ON THIS PARCEL.

AND AS I SAID, THIS IS THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WITHIN THE PUD WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE FAR AND THE ISR AND THERE IS NO REQUEST WITHIN THIS PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL.

SO, AIZ SAID IN SUMMARY, THE APPROVAL WAS DIEPPE TO BE FLEXIBLE TO ALLOW CHANGES IN MARKET DEMANDS AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS. THIS APPROVAL WILL ALLOW MERELY ADDITIONAL COMPATIBLE AND COMPLEMENTARY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WAS FOUND TO BE K078 POTABLE WITHIN THE APPROVAL BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION OF THIS PUD, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN USES OR ADDITIONAL USES ASKED FOR. I'LL TALK ABOUT IT, WE'RE REMOVING SOME OF THE USES, THERE'S NO CHANGE PROPOSED AT ALL IN THE DESIGN CRITERIA AND NO INCREASE IN FAR OR ISR. WHEN WE CAME TO THE PZA, AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, THERE'S A

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AND THEY POINT OUT THAT AND THIS IS WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE WASER ACCESS EVEN IN THE KEN SING TON PUD WHICH TALKED ABOUT PROPOSED ACCESS TO COMMERCIAL PARCEL.

IT WASER ALSO CONTEMPLATE INED THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL AND IS THE APPROVED PUD CONSTRUCTION PLANS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ANY OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, THERE'S ALREADY AN APRAN THO THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE IF MORE YEARS SHOWING THAT ACCESS.

HOWEVER, AS WE DISCUSSED, WE ARE TAKING THAT OUT OF THE PROPOSAL ITSELF.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY, THE REASON I CONTINUE GOING BACK TO THAT IS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS WHEN THIS STARTED.

I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP NOW THAT WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS BUT THAT WAS THE CONCERN AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT SPECIFICALLY.

ALSO THERE ARE NO PROPOSED IMPACTS, YOU SEE THAT WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT, NOTING THAT AS WELL. THE STAFF REPORT ALSO NOTE IT IS THE FACT THAT WE'VE SPECIFICALLY REMOVED THAT PROPOSED ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY AS WELL AS LOWERING IT TO 45 FEET WHICH WAS ALLOWED PREVIOUSLY. THEY ALSO SPECIFICALLY NOTE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PROHIBIT RV BOAT STORAGE WHICH REFLECT THE COMMENTS FROM THE PZA AND THE PUBLIC. AGAIN, THERE'S DISCUSSION FROM CONCURRENCY TRANSPORTATION WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THEY TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT CONCURRENCY IS NOT REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE COUNTY AT THIS POINT BUT THE FACT THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WILL HAVE TO DO ANY SITE RELATED ACCESS REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW.

THERE ARE UTILITIES AVAILABLE AS SHOWN BY YOUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT.

ALSO WITHIN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT WE HAD DONE PRIOR.

IT GOES THROUGH THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO NATURAL COMMUNITIES PRESENT ON THE PROPERTY NATURAL COMMUNITIES PRESENT ON THE PROPERTY IT DENOTES THE FACT WE HAVE NO WETLAND IMPACT AND IS IT DELINEATES THE IMPACTS, THIS IS AN EXPERT REPORT AND YOUR STAFF REVIEWED THIS AND SAID THIS WAS RIGHT. AS I SAID, WE'RE REMOVER THING ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY. THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CONCERNS WERE AND THE PHONE CALLS THAT WERE RECEIVED. YOUFR PZA HEARD THIS REQUEST ON JANUARY 15 AFTER PRESENTATION AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENT, MS. SPIEGEL MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE QUESTION, NO HEIGHT ABOVE 45 FEET AND NO MINI WAREHOUSE WHICH WERE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MS. PERKINS WAS ABSENT FOR A FAMILY MATTER THA, FAILED ON A SPLIT VOTE WEBSINGER HEAR AND ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT WERE REQUESTED AT THAT HEARING. SPECIFICALLY NO ACCESS TO

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MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET, IT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED UP TO 75 FEET. NO CURRENT WETLANDS, CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY. IN SUM, TO ALLOW REASONABLE INFILL OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND U.S. 1 IS APPROPRIATE AND REASONABLE WITHIN THE COUNTY DESIGNATED AND APPROVED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREA.

THAT'S WE SEEK THIS BOARD'S REASONABLE REVIEW AND APPROVAL TO ALLOW THIS KIS TENT AND COMPATIBLE REQUEST THAT FURTHER THE GOALS, OBJECT TIER AND IS POLICIES OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS U.S. 1 COMMERCIAL AREA AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AT THIS TIME WI HAVE A NUMBER OF DESIGNATED SPEAKERS THAT WILL COME UP.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH -- >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, MR. WHITEHOUSE, SOMETHING WE DID NOT DISCUSS IN OUR MEETING, I HADN'T CONSIDERED IT UP UNTIL THIS POINT, WHAT'S ENTITLED RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN BUILD AN RV BOAT STORAGE AND IT WOULD CONNECT TO ABBOTTS WAY?

>> IT COULD, THAT'S CONTEMPLATED ON BOTH THE PUD'S THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE

COUNTY. >> I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I HEARD IT, SOMEBODY TOLD ME IT ONLY NEEDED TO CONNECT TO ABBOTTS WAY FOR INTERCONNECT BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME EVEN IF IT STASES AT 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND THEY BUILD WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD UNDER THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS, THEY

COULD GO OUT TO ABBOTTS WAY TODAY >> AND YOU'LL HEAR FROM MR. MILLER, THERE'S A STRIP OWNED BY THE HOA THAT THEY FEEL THIS PARTICULAR OWNER AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER TO THIS OWNER DID NOT HAVE AN EASEMENT ACROSS THAT.

AS YOU SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE COUNTY STAFF, YOUR EXPERT PLANNING STAFF TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS APPROVED, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT ACCESS AS AN APPROVAL, AN EASEMENT ACROSS THAT, THAT'S FOR A DIFFERENT DI, IT DOESN'T HAVE NOTHING DO WITH TODAY. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT'S LIKELY THEY COULD GET THAT ACCESS. WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN THAT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE MAJOR CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF AND WE -- THE PZA AND I'LL SAY AGAIN AND AS I HAVE SHOWN YOU FRAMER THE TEXT WE PUT DOWN X THE MAP WE'VE HAD DONE, WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN

THAT, WE ARE TAKING THAT OFF. >> THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE? >> YES, ANYONE ELSE, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ?FRJTS YES, SO THE 75 FEET THAT YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW, WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A STEEPLE OR --ITIS NOT A BUILDING? .

>> IT'S ALLOWED TO 65 FEET, A BUILDING, THE EXTRA TEN FEET IS ANY APPENDAGES FOR THE BUILDING, IT COULD BE UP TO 75 FEET WITH ALL OF THOSE, THEY COULD BUILD THAT UP TODAY AT 65 FEET. TFRJT ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, I'M CURIOUS AND I KNOW THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE USUALLY, IS THERE A FORSALE SIGN ON THERE?

I KEEP DRIVING BY IT WHEN I GO HOME. >> YES, THERE IS.

>> AND WHY, IS IT -- WHETHER YOU GET THE ZONING, DON'T GET THE ZONE, IS IT FOR SALE(INGERITIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED FOR OVER 6 YEARS, HE DIDN'T JUST BUY IT OR TRYING TO FLIP IT OR SELL IT, HE OWNS OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT DUVAL COUNTY AND OTHER LAND AND OFFICE COMPLEXES WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

HE WANTS TO DEVELOP IT HIMSELF. PART OF THE FACT IS AS YOU SEE FROM A NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU, PEOPLE KEEP PROPERTY ON THE MARKET JUST IN CASE, MAYBE THEY DON'T GET WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR ANOTHER A YEAR AND A HALF TRYING TO PUSH THIS THROUGH, AS YOU KNOW, THIS GOES THROUGH A NUMBER OF REVIEWS WITH YOUR EXPERT STAFF PRIOR TO IT FWETING TO YOU AND SO THERE IS A FORSALE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY JUST IN CASE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT COULD ALSO BE THAT THE RIGHTS WHICH ARE RESTRICTED BY THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN A PUD, HE COULD SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE EVEN THOUGH *F THOUGH HE DOES DEVELOP JUST LIKE OTHER APPLICANTS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, HE MAY SELL IT. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A FOR SALE SIGN, IT HAS NOTHING DO

WITH WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. ER >> IT'S JUST WEIRD, OKAY.

>> MADAM CHAIR. >> YES, COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> YES, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. MR. WHITEHOUSE WHEREBISINGER DID THE 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COME FROM AND WOULD THE APPLICANT BE AMENABLE TO A REDUCTION OF THAT?

>> YES, SIR SO, THE 49 THOUSAND FEET INITIALLY AS YOU KNOW, IT'S APPROVED FOR 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, AND THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE PUD BACK IN 2005, IT WAS BASICALLY A THROW-IN BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS WAS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS YOU

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THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> GREAT, THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DESIGNATED SPEAKERSTHAT I WILL GO THROUGH THAT DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF TIME ALLOTTED TO THEM. THE FIRST ONE WILL BE MR. ZACK MILLER, HE'S A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE KEN SING TON HOA, HE WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY DAN CALON, THE HOA PRESIDENT, HE WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY MR. CAMPBELL WHO WILL ALSO HAVE TEN MINUTES, WE WILL HAVE THOMAS HAMMOND, TEN MINUTES, AND JOHN SMITH WHO IS SWEET WATER CREEK VICE CHAIR WILL ALSO HAVE TEN MINUTES.

>> SOMETHING TO NOTE, YOU CANNOT PASS YOUR TIME ALONG TO ANOTHER SPEAKER, THESE TEN

MINUTES ARE FOR THESE SPECIFIC SPEAKERS. >> AND ZACK, JUST TO CLARIFY, EACH ONE OF US HAS GOT A DIFFERENT SEMEN OF SPEAKERS WHO HAVE ALLOTTED OUR TIME, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALLOTTED THEIR TIME TO ME IS DIFFERENT THAN MR. CALON AND DIFFERENT TO

OTHER PEOPLE, RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> SO, THIS IS THE PROPERTY I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH NEAR ABBOTTS WAY AND U.S. 1, JUST TO PUT ON THE RECORD, THE ACCESS POINT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE PUD, SORRY, IF I CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AFTER THIS, SORRY, THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS THE STRIP THAT'S OWNED BY THE HOA, IT AOS ALWAYS OWNED BY THE HOA, THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN ACCESS POINT IN THE PUD IS OF NO MOMENT. THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T GET TO DECIDE UNLESS THERE'S AN IMMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDING THAT MY CLIENT GIVES UP HIS PROPERTY FOR AN ACCESS, THEY DECIDE, THE FACT THAT IT IS A PUD DOESN'T MATTER. I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT OVERALL WITH THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS WHERE THE ACCESS IS GOING TO BE NOW. THEY'VE GOTTEN RID OF THE ABBOTTS WAY ACCESS. IF YOU NOTICE, THAT IS REALLY CLOSE TO OR ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE FULL HIGHWAY FROM THE TURN LANE IF YOU WANT TO GO SOUTH.

THAT'S RALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK YOUR STAFF PICKED UP ON THIS IN THEIR STAFF REPORT THAT GOING FROM 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WHICH IS PRIMARILY SUPPOSED TO BE LIMITED COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD SERVE THE AREA RESIDENT TOS 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET MEANS YOU'RE TRYING TO SERVE A

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THIS IS WHY THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, NOT AT 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. YOU HAVE A SECTION IN YOUR CODE OR YOUR COMP PLAN THAT'S CALLED MIXED DISTRICTS, PLURAL, SOMETIMES THAT'S BEEN INTERPRETED TO JUST MEAN THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY. BECAUSE IT'S PLURAL, I THINK APPLIES WHENEVER YOU HAVE A MIX OF USES BECAUSE UNDER ANOTHER SECTION, YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL MIXED USE.

IN MY OPINION, THIS IS APPLICABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES, THIS IS FUNCTIONING AS A MIXED USE DISTRICT. THE LANGUAGE TALKS ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE A PARCEL OF MORE THAN TEN ACRES, YOU WANT TO HAVE INTERCONNECT AND ACCESSIBILITY

BETWEEN SENSES.USES. >> IF YOU'RE ON STATE ROAD 100 WHICH IS ANALOGOUS TO THIS AREA, IF YOU GET IN SBAO* COMMERCIAL USES, THERE'S A WAL-MART, A FIVE BELOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET BACK ON TO STATE ROAD 100 TO GO TO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.

THIS IS WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU NOTICE THE OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS FURTHER SOUTH NEAR PALENCIA, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO U.S. 1 TO GET BACK ON TO THEM. IF YOU'RE GOING BUILD A DEVELOPMENT OVER 10 ACRES, THAT'S WHY YOU WANT THAT INTERCONNECT WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE.

THIS IS THE PROVISION CITED BY YOUR STAFF, THEY'RE TALK -- TALKING ABOUT BEING APPLICABLE, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT INTERCONNECT OF NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU'RE DOING THIS LARGER DEVELOPMENT, 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, YOU WANT THAT INTERCONNECT SO YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE GOING BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL USES AND THE RESIDENCES GOING BACK TO U.S. 1 ONLY TO GO FURTHER SOUTH OR TRY TO MAKE A U-TURN THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NOD THE MAKE ANOTHER U-TURN ON U.S. 1. THESE ARE THE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED BUT THE CAP ON THIS WAS THE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT OF, WELL, HAD TIET, -- HEIGHT, YOU CAN GO UP TO 65 FEET AND YOU EAR LIMITING THAT NOW. 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, YOU'RE GOING TO USUALLY BE LIMITED TO ONE STORY OR MAYBE TWO STORIES, USUALLY AN OFFICE BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WAS ON PURPOSE, IT'S WHAT LIMITED THIS.

SOME OF THE USES, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WITH OR WITHOUT DRIVE-THRU FACILITY AND IS NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE STORES, GROCERY STORES, THESE ARE PRETTY INTENSE USES THAT GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. AT 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, YOU'RE LIMITED WHAT YOU CAN DO.

MEDICAL OFFICES AND CLINICS, THEY DON'T HAVE A HIGH A.M. AND P.M. TRIP GENERATION, THEY HAVE A HIGH OVERALL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED, AT 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, NOT A BIG DEAL, AT 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL. I BROUGHT THIS UP AT PZA AND WITH YOUR STAFF, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE DOING THE TRIP GENERATION BASED ON THE MAXIMUM IMPACT. RESPECTFULLY, SHOPPING PLAZA WITHOUT A SUPERMARKET IS NOT THE HIGHEST IMPACT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. THEY'RE ESTIMATING 233 P.M.

PEAK TRIPS. THIS IS JUST THE OUT PARCEL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, THE 11 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, NOT THE BULK OF THE NEW RIGHTS. JUST THAT AT 11 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, IF IT WAS A CONVENIENCE STORE WOULD BE 380 P.M. TAEK TRIPS WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT'S

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AND THEN SAME WITH WALK-IN BANK OR DRIVE-THRU BANK, THAT'S SOMETHING AT BUILD OUT THA,'S SOMETHING THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO DO IF THIS WERE APPROVED. I BROUGHT THIS UP WITH STAFF X THEY MAY HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS. I SEARCHED THE ORIGINAL PUD, I SEARCHED ALL THE AMENDMENTS, I COULDN'T FIND PARKING CALCULATIONS ON IT. THAT'S NOT SURPRISING BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE PUD IS RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE IN THERE, SHOULD HAVE DONE TUNED THE WAIVER REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL AT EVERY ONE SPACE OF 500 SQUARE FEET, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 250 SQUARE FEET SO, IF THIS GETS PROPOSED, THEY ARE CUTTING THEIR PARKING IN HALF FOR COMMERCIAL AYES USE X, THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT'S LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND LESS AROUND A POND BUT IT'S MORE AROUND YOUR CODE IN ORDER TO BUILD MORE. THIS CAME UP DURING THE PZA HEARING, YES, THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE MARSHAL CREEK DRI, THIS GOES BACK TO THE ISSUE, THE ACCESS THROUGH THE HOA PROPERTY AND I SEE I HAVE TWO MINUTES, I'LL TRY TO HURRY UP.

THIS IS THE OVERALL MAP AGE, IT'S SIMILAR, I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGED THAT MUCH.

THERE WERE TWO TYPES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT DRI.

THERE WAS A LARGE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT'S FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THERE'S TWO SMALLER CALLED VILLAGE COMMERCIAL OR DENSITY B. AND THOSE WERE CAPPED AT 119 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL, AT LEAST FOR THE BODY OF THE PROPERTY OR THE DRI. OR WITHIN THE SAME DOCUMENT, 110.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE INTERNALLY CONSISTENT BUT THEY ARE.

THIS PROPERTY WAS -- WHEN YOU RUN ALL THE CALCULATIONS DIG BAITED FOR 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. NOW THERE WAS A BUILD-OUT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR THE PROPERTY. THIS IS DELINEATING THE AREAS THAT HAVE THE DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL. THERE'S TWO AREAS T AREA I CIRCLED THERE IS THE AREA BUILT OUT WITH COMMERCIAL, ABOUT 100 THOUSAND T SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT 19.

STAFF HAS COMMENTED THAT THE DRI SHOULD NO LONGER APPLY, IT STANDS ON ITS OWN MERITS BECAUSE THEY'RE USING RIGHTS OUTSIDE OF THE DRI, I DISAGREE WITH THAT, YOU'RE COMBINE THING RIGHTS WITH DRI WITH NEW RIGHTS OF EXPANDING THAT. LEGALLY YOU SHOULD HAVE TO GO GET AN AMENDMENT TO THE DRI. BUT EVEN IF THAT'S INCORRECT, THIS IS THE EXPECTATION FOR EVERYBODY THAT MOVED IN THERE. THE EXPECTATION WAS YOU WOULD HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL AREA UP TO 100 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, THEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BE LIMITED 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

119 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER IS A SPECIFIC NUMBER, YOU DON'T COME UP WITH THAT BY ACCESS, AND THEN DEEDING THE PROPERTY FROM THE DEVELOPER TO THE HOA WAS A CLEAR SIGNAL IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT AND YOU WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE HOA TO ASK FOR PERMISSION. THIS ISN'T A LANGUAGE OF THE BUILD-OUT PLAN, EXCESS DEVELOPMENT IS UNLIKELY TO OCCUR, SO ANYBODY THAT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY POST 2021 WHEN THIS WAS APPROVE, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. . >> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER.

NOW WE'RE GOING HEAR FROM -- COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DO YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS? OKAY. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. CALON, THE KENSINGTON HOA PRESIDENT.

>> MADAM CHAIR, IS THERE TIME FOR ONE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER?

>> ABSOLUTELY. COMMISSIONER MURPHY, GO RIGHT AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU, ZACK. IF THIS ORIGINALLY WAS PLANNED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD USES, WHY

WOULD YOU WANT TO LIMIT ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY? >> WHY WOULD I OR WHY WOULD THE

DEVELOPER? >> ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE HOA? >> I AM REPRESENTING THE HOA, IF YOUR QUESTION IS WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO LIMIT ACCESS TO ABBOTTS THA,'S THE QUESTION OF WHOEVER DEEDED PROPERTY TO THE HOA, IF THEY HAD THE OPTION AND IF THEY WANTED THIS PARCEL TO HAVE FRONTAGE, THEY WOULD HAVE DEEDED THAT PROPERTY ON TO IT. THAT'S SORT OF MY READ THING TEA LEAVES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OF CONTROLLING AND GIVING A SAY ON WHAT GOES ON AT THIS PARCEL

TO THE HOA, THAT A FACT THAT THE PROPERTY WAS DEEDED TO HIM. >> IN READING THE TEA LEAVES, I

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BOUNDS, AM I MISSING SOMETHING SOMEWHERE? >> IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT AGAIN IT WAS SET UP SO PROBABLY THERE'S A LIST OF USES IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, SOME OF THEM ARE INTENSE, SOME OF THEM AREN'T INTENSE. I THINK IT WAS SET UP TO BE A NEGOTIATION WITH THE HOA, NOT AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE IT'S NAKED COMMERCIAL WHICH IS A BROAD CATEGORY IN YOUR CODE THAT THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY SBIELGT TODAY THAT ACCESS AND THAT THE HOA SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM.

>> SO, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE QUESTION, THANK YOU, ZACK.

>> THANK YOU, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. >> I'M JUST GOING TO -- WE'RE GOING CHANGE THE ORDER BECAUSE WE HAVE NATURAL FLOW, THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE JOHN, THEN TOM,

THEN MYSELF, DAN CALON, AND THEN MICHELLE. >> WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM JOHN SMITH IS THE SUITE WATER CREEK VICE CHAIR, YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU, COMMISSION, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.

THE KENSINGTON LAS CALINAS, SWEET WATER GOES BACK TO THE 1990'S, THIS AREA REPRESENTS 18 THOUSAND 927 PEOPLE, AROUND 10 THOUSAND VOTE NECESSARIES DITRICTS 4 AND 5.

I'M COMING HERE TODAY AS A RESIDENT THAT LIVE INS THE BACK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BUT I DRIVE UP EVERY DAY, SEVERAL TIMES A DAY SOMETIMES ON THIS SEGMENT OF 2.3 MILE HIGHWAY.

THE BIGGEST -- I HAVE THREE CONCERNS, THE BIG CONCERN WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET GOING TO 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET INL MRS THE PARKING LOT DENSITY OF AROUND 180 PLUS CARS INSTEAD OF 80 OR 90, AND A BUILDING BETWEEN -- NOW IT'S 45 FEET, IT'S BIG.

IF YOU GO DOWN SHO*UT, THE COFFEE SHOP, THE CAR WASH, ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH A BUILD-OUT AND A VISUAL ROAD LINE BUILDING STRUCTURED APPEAL.

THIS PROPOSAL WITH A LARGER BUILDING DOESN'T FIT THE AESTHETICS AND WHY WE LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE FOUR COMMUNITIES THAT COMPRISE THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

NOT OPPOSED TO IT BEING DEVELOPED AT 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, I'M OPPOSED TO A HUGE STRUCTURE VISUALLY HITTING YOU IN THE FACE. THE SECOND, THIRD PART WOULD BE IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOADING AND AT THE LAST MEETING I ATTENDED, THE CHAIR POINTED OUT THE TRAFFIC LOADING IS IN EXCESS OF 120% AT RUSH HOUR TIMES.

WITH THAT SAID, I GRAVER TO EACH OF YOU A DOCUMENT THAT YOU RESEARCHED ON THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SITE, IT'S A RESULT OF A TEN YEAR STUDY IN WHICH 2025 DATA IS YET TO BE APPROVED BUT IT'S A TEN YEAR STUDY OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW, AND PART THREE OF MY DISCUSSION WHERE WE HAVE U.S. 1 AND THE GOLF PARKWAY AND THE PALEYIA DRIVE AND U.S. 1 INTERSECTION HAS A FATALITY RATE OF OVER FOUR PEOPLE HAVE DIED THERE IN A TEN YEAR PERIOD WITH OVER 920 CAR ACCIDENTS, OKAY. I'M GOING TO PAINT THE PICTURE NOW OF THE LAS CALINAS BOULEVARD EXIT WHICH WE MOVED IN, IN 2017.

THERE WAS NO RED LIGHT AT ALL. THERE WAS FOUR FATALITIES REGISTERED THERE IN A FOUR YEAR PERIOD. THAT'S ROUGHLY 640 CRASHES. NOW, YOU CAN MOVER ON DOWN TO ABBOTTS WAY WHICH IS THE PROPERTY HERE IN THE CORNER IN QUESTION AND THAT PROPERTY HAS HAD ONE FATALITY IN THE PAST TEN YEARS BUT THEY HAD OVER 428 CRASHES AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT PINE ALLEN WHICH IS NORTH OF THERE WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ATTENTION TO RED LIGHT AFTER THREE PEOPLE DIED, SO THERE HAVE BEEN A TOTAL OF FOUR DEATHS AT PINE ALLEN AND FAR TOTAL OF 13 DEATH AND IS I PROPOSE THIS LOADING IF YOU LOOK UP FURTHER RESEARCH IS SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF 125 PLUS PERCENT AT RUSH HOUR TIME ADDING A LARGE BUILDING AT 45 OR 35 THOUSAND FEET OF CARS RUNNING OUT OF WILL IS DANGEROUS TO THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE PROJECT, SO I'M URGING PEOPLE ESSPSHLLY THE COMMISSIONERS TO SAY WE HAVE A SLIGHT PROBLEM HERE WHERE, YES, IT'S TRUE IN THE PAST, IT WAS

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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE POLICY OF FLEXIBILITY SHOULD ALSO BE APPLIED TO THE POLICY OF SENSIBILITY, DO WE REALLY WANT TO AFFORD THIS MUCH MORE TRAFFIC.

I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH THE ORIGINAL 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PLAN AND LEAVE IT THAT.

WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> [INAUDIBLE] IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER. IS IT MR. HAMMOND? GOOD MORNING, MR. HAMMOND.

>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO PUT THIS UP HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN ZOOM IN ON IT OR NOT.

IT'S A SIMPLE PART OF THE LAS CALINAS PUD. MY NAME'S TOMMY HAD BEENINGER AMMOND, I LIVER IN KEN SING TON, I LIVE LITERALLY RIGHT THERE.

I SHARE A PROPERTY LINE WITH THIS LITTLE TRIANGLE PROPERTY I LIVE RIGHT THERE.

YOU CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE OPPOSED ANY TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I AM A 42 YEAR DEVELOPER MYSELF, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER, I RETIRED A FEW YEARS AGO, I WAS A LARGE HOTEL BUILDER, SOLD MY COMPANY, I NO LONGER HAVE 116 EMPLOYEES, BUT I DO HELP PEOPLE WITH DEVELOPMENT ALL THE TIME. I WORK AS A CONSULTANT BUT I'M ALSO A REALTOR.

MY FAMILY AND I ARE OPPOSE TODAY THE INCREASE OF THIS PROPERTY TO 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. I WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS AS BRIEFLY AS I CAN THAT I THINK IS MISINFORMATION OR LACK OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, IT'S NOT THAT I THINK ANYBODY IS BEING DISHONEST, YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF OTHER POINTS.

THERE WON'T BE ZERO WETLAND IMPACTS F YOU PUT THE WETLAND OVERLAY MAP ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. ER I TALK TODAY THE WETLANDS ENGINEER WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK WITH FOR ME AS WELL, I HAVE WETLANDS FLAGS AGAINST MY FENCE, THE WETLAND IMPACT ARES THERE. YOU ALSO HAVE WHAT THEY CALL SECONDARY WETLAND IMPACTS THAT NOBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ALTERING OF THE ECOLOGICAL SYSTEM, THE RUNOFF AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPEN ANY TIME YOU DEAL WITH WETLANDS. IT INVADES THE HIGH QUALITY WETLANDS AND IT CAN SOMETIMES DEGRADE THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT IS ARE THERE, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THERE, THERE ARE OTERS, ALL KINDS OF RACCOONS, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM CORRUPTED AND THERE ARE NO MARKET CONDITIONS THAT WOULD JUSTIFY AN INCREASE IN THE BUILDING SIZE.

A BOUTIQUE TYPE SHOPPING CENTER, A RESTAURANT TOTALING THAT COLLECTIVE AMOUNT WOULD BE ACCEPTED AND WELCOMED. THE ONLY MARKET CHANGE THAT HAPPENED IS THAT THIS OWNER WHO BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FOR A MILLION 25 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN 2019 WANT TOS MAKE 5 MILLION ON THE PROPERTY. HE IS NOT A DEVELOPER. I HAVE TALKED TO REPRESENTATIVES AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN AND ALL THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS INCREASE IT TO 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE NOT GIVING YOU A SPECIFIC PLAN AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THERE. 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WITH A 45 FOOT HEIGHT COULD MEAN A SHOPPING CENTER WITH TWO, THREE STORIES, IT COULD BE A GROCERY STORE, IT COULD BE THESE LARGER BOX RETAIL STORES. WHY? THIS WAS DESIGNED TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLEMENTARY TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT SUMMON -- MONSTROSITY PLAN. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY WOULD REVEAL SPECIFIC PLAN AND KEEP IT AT THAT. RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY IS O -- OPPOSED TO KEEPING IT OFF THE TAIB, WE'RE NOT GIVING ACCESS TO THAT SO WHY WOULD YOU VOTE ON A PROPOSAL THAT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL. THEY CANNOT GET THIS APPROVED WITH THE COUNTY WITHOUT GETTING ACCESS ON TO ABBOTTS WAY, WE'RE NOT GOING THE GIVE THAT. EVEN IF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN UNDER AN IMMINENT DOMAIN, I WOULD INITIATE A LAWSUIT TO STOP IT. AND I KNOW MOST OF THE HOME OWNERS WOULD JOIN ME IN THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THE HOA, ME AS A HOMEOWNER WOULD COULD -- DO THAT. I HAVE NEVER SUED ANYBODY IN MY LIFE AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN SUED, I WOULD NOT TAKE IT NICELY IF THEY TRIED TO FORCE US TO GIVE THEM ACCESS AT

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ALL TOUGH DO IS MOVE THE BUILDING SOUTH, IT TAKES AWAY ONE OF THE TENSION PONDS IT SHOWS. EVEN IF YOU WERE DOING IT AT A 45 FOOT HEIGHT, IT KEEPS IT IT AS A REASONABLE FOOTPRINT, MOVING THE BUILDING SOUTH, IT ALSO HELPS TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM OF CROSSING TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC GETTING INTO THE U-TURN DOWN BY ABBOTTS AND GOING SOUTH, IT'S NOT GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM BUT HELP IT WITH LESS TRAFFIC.

GETTING A CONCESSION OF 60-70 FEET DOWN TO 45 FEET IS NOT SUFFICIENT BUT IT WOULD BE MOVED IF IT WAS A 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF YOU HAD A 60 FOOT HEIGHT, AS OUR ATTORNEYS MENTIONED, THE FOOTPRINT WOULD BE ABOUT 3 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO GO UP 60 FEET, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WAS THERE FOR A REASON, A LOT MORE THAN WHAT'S BEEN TOLD I.'S NOT THROUGH THE INGRESS AND EGRESS COULD NOT BE GIVEN THROUGH U.S. 1, THEIR PLAN SHOWS THAT. CONTINUITY AND FLOW AND SAFETY, I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF, THE COUNTY STAFF BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB, BUT THEY'RE BASING IT ON 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

YOU CAN GET THE CONTINUITY AND THE SAFETY AND THE FIRE ACCESS AND ALL THAT WITH A 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, FOOTPRINT AND YOU CAN HAVE AN INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF U.S. 1, IT ALL MEETS THE REQUIREMENT. I DO THIS ALL THE TIME, I DEAL WITH MYSELF MORE -- I DO SELL MORE LAND THAN I DO IN NORTH NOR NRO* DA, I DEAL WITH IT A LOT AND THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT WORK AT ITS PRESENT LEVEL. YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE PRICE TO FIVE MILLION, OKAY, I'M ALL FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS AND I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE MAKING MONEY BUT THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AS IS, I KNOWER IT COULD BE SOLD PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR TIMES WHAT HE GOT FOR IT, MAYBE NOT FIVE TIMES, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD MARKET CONDITION IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME HERE AND LETTING ME SPEAK AND I THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

I DO OBJECT THOUGH TO US CORRUPTING THE LAS CALINAS PUD, IT WAS CAREFULLY PUT TOGETHER TO PRESERVE WETLANDS, BUFFER THE RESIDENTIAL AND THIS CORNER OF LAND DID NOT LOGISTICALLY LEND *IT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SO IT WAS INTENDED TO PROVIDE LOCAL RESIDENT AS COMPLIMENTARY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN USES THAT WERE COMPLEMENTAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS F THEY WANTED TO PUT IN THREE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, IT WOULD BE WE WELCOMED AND YOU COULD MAKE THIS THING ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, PLEASE KEEP THE SIZE AT 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING WHAT I SAY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. HAMMOND, I APPRECIATE THAT. >> FOLKS, WAEZ -- AS WE ARE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, I'M GOING THE ASK THAT YOU HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE, WE'RE TRYING TO HEAR BOTH SIDES IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, YES, SIR, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

RJT MY NAME IS DAN CALON, I LIVE IN THE KEN SING TON DEVELOPMENT.

I WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION WITH THE OTHER COUNSEL, WHEN YOU SAID THEY TOOK ABBOTTS WAY OFF BECAUSE THEY HEARD THE PEOPLE IN KEN SING TON AND THEY WERE ADDRESSING THEIR CONCERNS AND ALL THAT, THAT WAS THEIR MAJOR CONCERN, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT.

THE CONCERN IS NOT ONLY ABBOTTS WAY BUT IT'S ALSO INCREASING THE FOOTPRINT FROM 19 THOUSAND TO 49 THOUSAND WHICH IS 158% INCREASE. SO, I WANT TO NAUGHT ON THE RECORD, IT'S NOT JUST ABBOTTS, IT'S THE EXPANSION OF 158 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.

ONE THING THAT COUNCIL DID NOT ADDRESS AT ALL AND IT WAS ADDRESSED AT THE ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING WAS THE TRAFFIC AND WE APPROACHED OP THAT SEVERAL TIMES TODAY.

AND WITH THIS PARCEL, IF YOU'RE HEADING -- COMING FROM THE NORTH HEADING SOUTH, YOU CANNOT TURN DIRECTLY INTO THE PARCEL. YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN, EITHER MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OR GOWN DOWN TO PA LENS YA TRAFFIC LIGHT, MAKE A U-TURN AND COME BACK UP TO ENTER THE COMPLEX. CONVERSELY, IF YOU'RE COME FRAMING THE SOUTH, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN GET IN BUT YOU CAN'T GET OUT THAT EASY AND THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

SO, AS THEY SAY, PICTURES SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS AND I HAVE SOME MAPS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW. ONE THING I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL, THE OWNER COUNSEL

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THE TRAFFIC IS QUADRUPLE WHAT IT USED TO BE, SO I THANK COUNSEL FOR BRINGING UP 2005.

IF YOU CAN K ZOOM UP PLEASE ON THAT. CAN YOU ZOOM.

KEEP GOING, PLEASE. ALL THE WAY. THANK YOU.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED AREA RIGHT HERE, THIS IS WHERE THE EXIT WILL BE AND AS COUNSEL STATED PROFUSELY, YOU HAVE TO CUT ACROSS U.S. 1, TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC GOING 55, 65 MIMES AN HOUR TO GET INTO THIS AREA WHERE YOU WOULD ATTEMPT TO MAKE A U-TURN, THOSE OF YOU LIVING IN KEN SING TON, IF YOU COME ACROSS, YOU HAVE THIS AREA HERE THAT YOU CAN TRY TO GET INTO TO MAKE YOUR LEFT HAND TURN. YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU YOU GOT TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THIS WAY TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT. EVERYONE'S VYING FOR A POSITION, TRYING TO GET INTO THIS LITTLE X HERE. WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE, YOU CAN'T SEE BEYOND THE OTHER CARS, YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S COMING SOUTH OR NORTH, YOU'RE BLOCKED, SO THAT IS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR. ALSO COUNSEL FAILED TO BRING UP, THERE ARE 182 PARKING SPOTS FOR THIS COMPLEX RIGHT HERE, 182, YOU DON'T DEVELOP PROPERTY AND PUT IN 182 PARKING SPOTS OR MORE MAY BE REQUIRED BASED ON ZONING REQUIREMENTS UNLESS YOU FEEL YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC, YOU DON'T DO IT, SO 182 STANDING AS IS, WHAT'S YOUR EXPECTATION FOR TRAFFIC.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT. THIS IS A CLOSER LOOK UP AT THE INTERSECTION OF KEN SING TON WHERE YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT U-TURN, THEN WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER OPTIONS? WELL, YOUR OTHER OPTION IS YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO LAS CALINAS TO A TRAFFIC LIGHT, SAFETY FIRST AS I TELL MY KIDS, TO MAKE YOUR U-TURN TO COME BACK SOUTH. YOU CAN DO THAT BUT HOW ATTRACTIVE IS THIS PROPERTY YOU HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN TO HEAD TALL WAY SOUTH. WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE, WATER ALWAYS FINDS THE EASIEST PATH OF RESISTANCE. THIS IS A CLOSES-UP OF LA KA LEAN NAS WHERE YOU CAN SAFELY MAKE YOUR U-TURN TO TURN SOUTH. WELL, YOUR OPTIONS AGAIN IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN CLOSER AGAIN, PLEASE. YOUR OPTION IS TO CUT THROUGH KEN SING TON, WIND AROUND GOSLING ON RIGALO ROAD, MAKE YOUR LEFT HAND TURN, COME UP TO U.S. 1 AND TRY TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN GOING ACROSS TWO LAXNESS OF TRAFFIC, WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT ROAD, IT'S BEING PAVED. PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN PALENCIA WILL AVOID THEIR INTERSECTION AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, NOW THEY'LL ARE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CROSS SECTION OF PEOPLE CUTTING ACROSS, THEY CAN GO UP RIGALO ROAD, MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN AND GO ON THEIR WAY GOING NORTH. SO, RIGALO ROAD THEN WOULD BE A MORE HIGHLY TRAFFICKED ROAD. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION AT RIGALO ROAD WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU HAVE TO CUT ACROSS TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC GOING 60, 65 MILES AN HOUR, NOT EXACTLY SAFE. THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE AT KEN SING TON DO, THEY GO UP AROUND, COME OUT ON RIGALO, TO COME UP AT.LENS YA VILLAGE DRIVE, COME TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND MAKE A SAFE LEFT HAND TURN. THIS IS PROBABLY THE SCENARIO THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL TAKE TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN TO HEAD SOUTH.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO MAKE A U-TURN AT THE INTERSECTION OF ABBOTTS WAY AND U.S. 1. THAT'S -- YOU'RE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS, TRUST ME, WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT PINE ISLAND ROAD, ONCE THEY CONNECTED N AKA TEE, WHAT HAPPENED, FATALITIES,. AGAIN, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF PA LENS YAS WHERE YOU CAN SAFELY MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. SO COUNSEL NEVER ADDRESSED THE

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OTHERWISE WHY ARE YOU BUILDING IT? WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO 19 THOUSAND, WE ALL KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE 19 THOUSAND WHEN WE MOVED IN.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IS A 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT MONSTROSITY WHERE YOU'RE STRINGING TO FIT A SIZE 13 IN A SIZE 8. IT'S TOO CONDENSED, IT'S GOING TO CREATE MASSIVE PROBLEMS, TRAFFIC, AND YOU COULD SEE ANOTHER LAS CALINAS BEFORE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, ANOTHER PINE ISLAND BEFORE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE ON THE DAIS OR ON THE TELEPHONE WANT TOS SEE ANOTHER ISS EWE WHERE YOU HAVE FATALITIES BECAUSE WE JUST JAMMED THIS IN THERE, SO I THANK EVERYONE.

THERE IS A REASON WHY THIS PROPERTY HAS LAID DORMANT FOR 20 PLUS YEAR AND IS I THINK PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY GETTING IN AND OUT, SO MY GUT TELLS ME WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO TOM, THAT'S NOT AN ATTRACTIVE PARCEL EVEN AT 19 THOUSAND, IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO US BUT IT'S NOT AN ATTRACTIVE PARCEL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT EASY.

AND WE ALL KNOW LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT EASY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO THAT PLACE, AND SO THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE FOR 20 PLUS YEARS IT'S LAID DOORBACKER DORMANT, I THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR LISTENING TO ME.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CALON, I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE -- WE'RE READY FOR MS. CAMPBELL, IT'S STILL MORNING, GOOD MORNING, MS. CAMPBELL, WELCOME. ER IT AOEM MICHELLE CAMPBELL, I LIVE IN KEN SING TON, I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER WHAT THEY ALREADY STATED, THAT IT'S ALL BEEN PRETTY CLEAR.

I AM HERE BASICALLY TO REBUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY WHAT'S WRITTEN ON PAPER WHAT'S BEING SAID IS NOT IN THE PAPER AND I HAVE THE PAPERS AND I WILL SHOW THEM. I'M ALSO HERE TO REPRESENT MY HOME OWNERS, I WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN ALL THOSE LOVELY LETTERS YOU PEOPLE GOT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE -- THE E-MAILS, BUT WE SENT YOU OVER 500 LETTERS OF OBJECTION, MOST OF THEM WERE HAND DELIVERED IN PERSON, I TRY TODAY KEEP OUR HOME OWNERS INFORMED. WE HAD MEETINGS AT OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. I WAS HOPING TO GET 50 PEOPLE, I GOT IN EXCESS OF 200 AT EACH MEETING. I HAD PEOPLE FROM PALENCIA, FROM LAS CALINAS, I HAD PEOPLE DOWN IN LINK K*ENVILLE THAT TRAVELER THIS CORRIDOR. IT'S ANYONE THAT GOES TO KOS TOE, ANYONE THAT GOES UP AND DOWN U.S. 1 THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS, IT'S NOT AS INSULATED AND OUR COMMUNITY ALONE THAT'S IMPACT BY THIS. DURING REBUTTAL, THE APPLICANT AGREE TODAY ADD TWO RESTRICTION TOS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT REMOVING THE ACCESS POINT ON ABBOTTS WAY AND LOWERING THE BUILDING HEIGHT. BUT IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IT DOESN'T MEET COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY. THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PLACES IN HERE WHERE THINGS HE DRAPED TO HE THEN REBUTS IN PAPER, YEAH, BUT, STAFF DOESN'T LIKE IT. WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

IF YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU'RE TAKING IT OFF OF THE TABLE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BACK DOOR SXIT SAY STAFF DOESN'T LIKE IT SO WE'RE GOING COME AFTER YOU ANYWAY JUST TO PROVE THIS 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE GOING DO WITH THE PROPERTY LATER BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS FOR SALE, YOU'RE CORRECT ABOUT THAT. A PHONE CALL TO JOHN MOORE, THE LISTING AGENT, HE'S ASKING 4.9 AND CHANGE FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWING IT'S NOT WELL WORTH IT FOR THE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND WE WERE TOLD HE'S AGGRESSIVELY PURR YOU SINGING 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO MAKE IT MORE MARKETABLE. HOW IS THIS BENEFICIAL TO MY COMMUNITY? THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BENEFIT THE PROPERTY 19 THOUSAND SQUARE

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EVERYTHING WAS BUILT UP AROUND US. LOOKING AT ZONING, WE KNEW THAT 19 THOUSAND WOULD GO INTO -- IN THERE. WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH 19 THOUSAND. THE DEVELOPER HAS NEVER ONCE COME TO KEN SING TON AND ASKED FOR ANY KIND OF CONCESSION ANY TILE, HEY, CAN WE WORK WITH YOU, NOTHING.

WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OUR BOARD PRESIDENT HAPPENED TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT TRACKER AND SAW IT MARKED. NOBODY CAME TO US, NOBODY'S WORKING WITH US.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT'S TO PUT MONEY INTO A DEVELOPER'S HANDS AND TO SELL A PROPERTY THAT HE BOUGHT AND THOUGHT HE COULD MAKE MONEY ON, NOW HE WANTS TO MAKE MORE. WE OWN ABBOTTS WAY, WE OWN ALL OF THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS CONTEMPLATED AT SOME POINT FROM LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS, YES, IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THERE WOULD BE AN ACCESS, IT NEVER MADE IT TO THE DEED. ALL OF THE DEEDS AND I CAN TALK TODAY DICK DESOUSA, IT'S OFF THE TABLE WHERE HE WANTS IT TO BE OR NOT, YOU CAN'T DO IT UNLESS YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING THERE WHERE YOU CAN TAKE OUR PROPERTY AWAY FROM US WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. HE SAYS IT'S GOING TO ACCOMPLISH A MORE DESIRABLE ENVIRONMENT, FOR WHO? IT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY FOR US. YOU'VE RECEIVED OVER 500 E-MAILS, LETTERS AND EVERYTHING FROM US. HOW MANY HAVE YOU GOTTEN IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT? I GUARANTEE YOU NOT A BLESSED ONE BECAUSE WE'RE PISSED.

SORRY, NOT A GOOD WORD BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND EVERYBODY HERE HAS TAKING YET MORE TIME OFF OF WORK TO BE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS, OVER AND OVER IN THE PAPER, THIS IS THE AMEND ONE, UNAVOIDABLE WETLAND IMPACTS, OVER AND OVER, PAGE AFTER PAGE.

MOST OF THE WETLANDS WILL BE UN DISTURBED. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

YOU CAN'T COME HERE AND STAND BEFORE YOU AND SAY THERE'S NO WETLAND IMPACTS AND THEN PUT NIT THE PAPER -- IT IN THE PAIP PER THAT IT IS. HE TALKS ABOUT THE PROPERTY HERE'S THE WETLANDS ON THE NATIONAL WETLANDS INVENTORY, THIS IS HUGE, HOW ARE YOU NOT GOING TO, THIS IS HIS ENVIRONMENTAL SURVEY HE HAS DONE.

THERE'S HIS WETLANDS RIGHT THERE, THIS IS HIS PEOPLE. THE DELINEATION MAP, THERE'S THE ONE POINT OF THE DELINEATION MAP AT THE TOP THE POINT AND THERE'S THE BOTTOM OF THE POINT, THESE ARE ALL THE WETLANDS, THERE'S NO WAY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO IMPACT WETLANDS. HE SPEAKS O*F THE SHOPS AT VALLEY RIDGE, THEY HAVE U.S. 1 ON THE FRONT, OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY ON THE BACK, THERE ARE TWO DIGRESSES, YOU CAN'T SEE, THE SECOND ONE WAS CAUGHT OFF. THE ONE IS AT C R-2 10 WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT, HUGE INTERSECTION, WELL MARKED, THE OLD BACK IS OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, IT DOES NOT SHARE A PROPERTY LINE WITH A HOME OWNERS. THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THOSE THINGS, THE PARKING LOT ALONE IS GINORMOUS. TRAFFIC FLOW IS FINE, EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. BUSINESS HAS ALREADY CLOSED IN THAT SHOPPING MALL BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN ALL RENTED. THE PARCELS IN FRONT OF PA LENS YA HAD MANY VACANCIES, ANOTHER ONE JUST WENT OUT, WE LOST THE GYM AND THE SMOOTHIE SHOP THAT WAS IN THERE T CLOTHING SHAP HAS MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION. THERE IS VACANCIES HERE, THERE ISN'T A NEED. THIS IS A TYPICAL NIGHT IN ST. AUGUSTINE AT THIS CORNER TRYING TO GET HOME FROM WORK. THIS IS MY HUSBAND'S TRAVEL AT 5:02 P.M., HE TEXTS ME THERE IS AN ACCIDENT, I'M STUCK IN TRAFFIC, I DON'T KNOW WHEN I'M GOING TO BE HOME.

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THIS DEVELOPER HAS NEVER COME TO US AND ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF CONCESSION.

HE'S TRY TODAY BEAT IT DOWN OUR THROAT TO PUT MONEY IN HIS POCKET AND SELL THE PROPERTY.

MY HOME OWNERS ARE UPSET. I REPRESENT EVERY PERSON WEAR AGO RED TAG IN THIS AUDIENCE M -- WE DON'T OPPOSE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. IF IT WAS A LITTLE MORE THAN 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND SOMETHING BENEFICIAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSING IT. THIS WE STRONGLY OPPOSE AND WE WILL BE BACK HERE EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT IT COMES UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE LAND THAT IS GIVEN AND MIND YOU, THIS IS A RECTANGULAR PIECE, WE HAVE A LITTLE TRIANGLE, IT'S NOT THE SAME, IT'S NOT APPLES AND ORANGES, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ME RANT, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> IT WAS A GAOT -- GOOD RANT, THANK YOU, MS. CAMPBELL. FOLKS, I HAVE TO ASK YOU ONCE AGAIN, IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE SOUND OF APPLAUSE, I CAN PRETEND IT'S FOR ME AND DELUDE MYSELF, WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE A FAIR HEARING WHERE WE FAIRLY CONSIDER BOTH SIDES WEBSINGER CANNOT BE INFLUENCED BY SHOWINGS OF SUPPORT FOR ONE PSEUDOOR THE OTHER. I WOULDN'T LET THE APPLICANT DO IT DETERMENT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK ONCE AGAIN OR IF IT CONTINUES, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE THIS AUDITORIUM, SO ADD HEAVER TO OUR RULES OF CIVILITY AND DECORUM AS WE ARE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. WE ARE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT IN FAVOR OR OR AGAINST THIS APPLICATION F YOU DID NOT SIGN OVER YOUR RIGHT TOS THE DESIGNATED SPEAKER, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD AND YOU WILL BE

GIVEN THREE MINUTES. >> TO THE BEST I CAN -- >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> ALSO THERE'S A MIC. AT THE CENTER HERE SO YOU DONE HAVE TO -- DON'T HAVE TA TO* HAVE -- HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY OVER THERE.

>> I WOULD LIKE THE PUT A FACE - >> YOUR NAME PLEASE AND YOUR

ADDRESS. >> MY NAME, JOHN LAPUM, LIVER AT 213 [INAUDIBLE], IT ABUTS THIS PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THE VIEWS THAT I HAVE FROM MY HOUSE BEHIND WHERE THESE WETLANDS ARE, FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC BEFORE I GET TO THIS. WHEN I COME OUT THE FRONT IN ABBOTTS WAY TO GET ANYWHERE IN THE AFTERNOON, IT MAY TAKE ME 5-10 MINUTES TO GET OUT ON TO THE MAIN ROAD JUST BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC AND THAT IS THERE WHICH IS VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION WHICH WE'VE HEARD. IF I DECIDE TO TAKE THE OTHER ROUTE AND GO DOWN TO PA LENS YA DRIVE, OKAY, IT MAY TAKE ME AT 4:00 TO 6:30 IN THE AFTERNOON 30 TO 35 MINUTES WITH THE BACKUP THAT'S THERE TO GET OUT TO THE MAIN ROAD. SO, NOW WHAT DO I CHOOSE, NOW I'M LIKE LOCKED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT WE CALL THAT INTERSECTION DOWN THERE BY PA LENS YA IS CALLED THE GAUNTLET, YOU TRY TO GET ACROSS THERE TO FWET TO THE PUBLIX,

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IF YOU DO ALL THE MATH, IT WINDS UP TO BE 33.4 YARDS. NOW, IF I CAN PUT THIS DOWN HERE AND ZOOM IN ON THIS, OKAY, IF WE CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER WHERE THE YELLOW IS, THAT'S THE RETENTION POND THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. NOW FIRST OF ALL TALLAHASSEE SAYS THE ONLY SPECIFIC REASONS FOR RETENTION POND TO BE PUT INSIDE OF A WETLANDS AND THAT'S USUALLY DONE BY THE THE STATE IN STATE WETLANDS OR STATE PARKS, OKAY.

BASICALLY THIS IS NOT ALLOWED BY LAW ACCORDING TO TALLAHASSEE AND WHAT WAS GIVEN TO ME AS FAR

AS CONSTRUCTION OF THIS. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TURN THOSE IN.

>> YES, I WILL. >> NO, THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE, OKAY, THOSE ARE YOURS.

>> THIS IS MY HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT FOR YOU GUYS. >> THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR RECORD. PLEASE COME FORWARD, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. ER

>> HONORABLE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I'M CRAIG CARTWRIGHT, A KEN SING TON HOMEOWNER, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, I'M A ST. JOHNS COUNTY VOTE AND HER TAXPAYER, MY FAMILY, NEIGHBORHOODSBACKER NEIGHBORS AND I OPPOSE THIS 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT MAJOR MODIFICATION AGAINST KEN SING TON, HOME VALUE, SAFETY AND BEAUTY ARE PRIMARY FACTORS FOR

HOME VALUE. >> MR. CART WRIGHT, HIS NAME IS ON THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE

SIGNED UP TO CEDE TIME. >> [INAUDIBLE]. WHEN DID I DO THAT?

>> YOU WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH MS. CAMPBELL, YOUR NAME IS ON THE LIST SHE'S PROVIDED TO US.

>> SORRY, MR. CART WRIGHT. >> I DID NOT -- >> SORRY, MR. CART WRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE THE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM FOR OR AGAINST THE PUBLIC, YOU ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO COME SPEAK. ARE YOU MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE

PUBLIC COMMENT, MS. CALADY? >> YES, SIR. >> BJCALADY, WEST CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE, WE ALL KNOW IT, WE'VE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER FROM ALL THE DEVELOPERS AND ALL THEIR LAWYERS, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE VERSUS THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR TLA,'S WHAT OUR PROBLEM IS EVERY TIME THIS COMES BEFORE THIS BOARD AFTER BEING AT YOUR PZA.

SO, MY COMMENT IS PLEASE SUPPORT THE DECISION OF THE PZA AND DENY THIS REQUEST.

AND BASE IT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND ALSO ON THE EXPERT, EXPERT, COMMENTS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. EXPERTS OF THE STAFF, WE IGNORE THE EXPERTS OF THE CITIZENS.

AND WHEN THEY MAKE COMMENTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE LAWYER AND IS DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO MAKE A BUCK AND THINK THAT THEY HAVE MORE TO SAY AND WE JUST AS RESIDENTS -- EVERYONE KEEPS TALKING, THE VOTERS WILL VOTE. THAT WE'RE NOT EXPERTS, WE'RE THE CLAMMER OF THE CROWD, WE

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LUNCHTIME. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE THE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? WE'RE GOING CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

1, I SEE NO ONE RISING. >> I'M GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THEY PUT MY -- CAN YOU PUT MY

SLIDE UP. >> I'LL START OFF ON THE OVERHEAD, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO TART -- START OFF FIRST AND WE CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BITS WEBSINGER TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE PZA, THIS IS A 90 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT DEVELOPMENT ALONG 12 ACRES WE APPROVE ASKED YOU SAW ONE OF THE SPEAKERS TALK ABOUT THIS AT 210 AND U.S. 1, A VERY SIMILAR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME COMMERCIAL -- NOT 65 FOOT OF COMMERCIAL, WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING 45, THE REASON WHY WE LIMIT IT TO 45 IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PZA ASKED FOR. WE COULD PROBABLY LIMIT TO 35 IF THIS COMMISSION FINDS THAT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY'RE NOT BUILDING TWO STORY COMMERCIAL, THIS PROPOSAL IS TO BUILD AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE WHICH AGAIN IS ALREADY APPROVED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ON THIS PROPERTY THE INCREASE IS BASED ON THE FACT THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS ON THIS -- I'M SORRY, UP LANDS ON THIS THAT I WILL TAOUK YOU ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

YOU HEARD A LOT OF REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THEY SHARE THE PROPERTY LINE, HOWEVER, AND THEY TALK ABOUT OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY BEING BEHIND THIS. YOU SAW IT AND I'LL SHOW YOU AGAIN, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS AND BUFFERING, NATURAL BUFFERING BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT'S BACK THERE NOW AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS EVEN THOUGH YOU HEAR COMMENT FROM LAY COMMENTERS THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE WETLAND IMPACTS TELEVISING'S NOT, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE MDP MAP, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT'S BEEN YOUR PACKET FROM THE EXPERTS, YOUR EXPERT STAFF REVIEWED THAT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY CANNOT HAVE WETLAND IMPACTS, WHEN THEY DO, THEY'LL BE STOPPED AND SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE WETLAND IMPACTS. THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT SAID THIS RETENTION POND IS IN THE [INAUDIBLE], NO, IT'S NOT, YOU SAW THE MAPS SHALL SHOW YOURS WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE, AND IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE IN THE WETLANDS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO WETLAND IMPACTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TO ASK FOR AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ALMOST 7 ACRES OF UP LANDS. AGAIN, THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION BACK IN 2019-2020 TIME PERIOD WAS FOR 90 THOUSAND ON 20 ACRES, YOU CAN SEE THE PARTICULAR SEEINGS AROUND IT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOES -- THIS IS OUR ZONING MAP, IT BACKS UP TO RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OLD DIXIE. THERE ARE NO BUFFERS ON THIS ONE, YOU SAW THE PICTURES THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE NICE LADY WHO SPOKE AND IT GOES RIGHT UP TO OLD DIX SIGH HIGHWAY WHICH IS NOT A MAJOR ROAD AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

YOU CAN SEE THE FACT THERE'S THE TYPE OF UNITS THERE, 2400 SQUARE FEET FOR UNITS.

YOU CAN SEE THIS IS TYPICAL OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE A CONCEPT OF WHAT THESE PARTICULAR OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO DO ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT I'M GOING TO GO BACK TOOLS THE AREA ITSELF. YOU HEARD A LOT OF REFERENCE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS AREA AND THE FACT THAT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA.

WELL, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT THAT COMES OUT RIGHT AT RIGALO

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YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA LIKE I SAID WHERE OUR PARTICULAR PARCEL IS, IS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS ON THE OTHER SIDE. THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR A COMPLEMENTARY CONSISTENT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND YOU SEE IT HERE. THERE IS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF THIS TYPE OF DVELOPMENT JUST A STONE'S THROW TO THE SOUTH OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. HERE YOU CAN SAY THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS BY -- IN THE NATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY IN PA LENS YA DRIVE, THIS IS TEN ACRES OF LAND THAT'S OVER 100 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE PUBLIX IS AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF OTHER SHOPS. THIS IS FOUND TO BE APPROPRIATE RIGHT IN THE SAME A AREA.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO BUFFERS HERE. THE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WHICH IS ADVOCATED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE PUD OF LAS CALINAS FOR THE PARTICULAR PARCEL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS BUFFERS, ZERO WETLAND IMPACTS. THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S JUST TO THE -- YEAH, SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S JUST TO THE NORTH OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY HERE, AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THE BURGER KING IS, THIS IS WHERE THE STARBUCKS IS, THESE ALL BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS ALL FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT AND COME PAT WBL OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE AREA ITSELF. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO OUR SLIDE SHOW. OKAY, LET ME JUST GO TO THE END OF IT HERE.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS TOO. AGAIN, ALTHOUGH I DREW THIS ON THERE, THIS IS THE AREA.

YOU HEARD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC SAYING THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE WETLAND IMPACT BECAUSE THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS A WETLAND, IT IS NOT A WETLAND, THERE ARE 6.1 ACRES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF THE ISSUES, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DESIGN CRITERIA, NO INCREASE IN FAR, ISR, NORMALLY WHEN YOU *F YOU ASK FOR A MODIFICATION, YOU NEED MORE SPACE TO PUT THE DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE SPACE. THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF UP LANDS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WE'VE TAKEN OUT AND PROHIBITED THE OBJECTABLE USES, IF THERE'S OTHER ONES IN HERE THAT ARE OBJECTABLE TO THIS COMMISSION, I DIDN'T HEAR SPECIFIC ONES, IF THERE ARE, TELL US AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT, WE'VE TAKEN OUT THE ONES WE WERE ASKED ABOUT. THE ONLY ISSUE NOW IS THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING THERE AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO SOMEONE WHO OWNS LAND ON AN APPROPRIATE PIECE THAT'S APPROPRIATE ON THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING TO BE CONSIDERED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN B FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. THERE ARE NO WETLAND IMPACTS.

I CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH, ZERO WETLAND IMPACTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE.

WE HEARD A COMMENT EARLIER THAT, OH, MAYBE THEY'RE STILL ASKING FOR THIS ACCESSFINGER WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THIS ACCESS, THIS IS THE MDP MAP, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS COMMISSIONERS WHO CONSIDER PUD'S FREQUENTLY OR MODIFICATIONS TO PUD'S TMDP MAP GOVERNS, THE TEXT GOVERNS, THIS SPECIFICALLY SHOWS THERE WILL BE NO ACCESS ON THEIR ROAD AT ABBOTT WAY, THE ACCESS WILL BE ON U.S. 1, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO FDOT, YOU ARE ALLOWED O HAVE LEGAL ACCESS TO A PROPERTY. IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU HEAR FROM MR. MILLER AND HIS MAIN COMMENTS ARE, WELL, THE HOA WILL NEVER ALLOW ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY, IT'S IRONIC THAT THAT'S THE ARGUMENT.

IT GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS TO THROW E.G. AT WALL TO SAY WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING HERE, WE KNOW SWRE TO ACCEPT THE 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET THAT ARE HERE BUT THE POINT IS THAT YOU HEARD A COMMENT THAT SAID, HEY, LISTEN, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUILD A 65 FOOT

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PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE GOING DO BUT THEY DON'T WANT THAT THERE.

THEY COULD BUILD PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY TODAY.

IN FACT, THEY COULD BUILD THAT ALONG WITH BOAT AND RV STORAGE, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE COVERAGE FOR BOAT AND RV STORAGE SO THEY COULD HAVE THAT ON THIS WHOLE PROPERTY THAT MIGHT BE INAPPROPRIATE BUT THAT'S WHAT'S APPROVED TODAY. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON IT AND ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S APPROPRIATE ON SIX, ALMOST 7 ACRES OF UP LAND HERE.

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, YOU HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER MURPHY EARLIER, WOULD THIS PARTICULAR OWNER ASK OR AGREE TO REDUCING THE AMOUNT, YES, IF IT'S AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT ON THIS UP LANDS, 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COME FROM THE COMMERCIAL AND THE AREA IT DEMANDS ON U.S. 1 FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, IF THAT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED TO 38 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 19 IS NOT APPROPRIATE ON 6.61 ACRES. THAT AMOUNT COULD BE APPROPRIATE ON 6.61 ACRES OF UP LANDS. WE HAVE ADDRESSED EVERY COMMENT THAT WAS ASKED OTHER THAN DON'T PUT ANYTHING ELSE HERE. NO ACCESS TO ABBOTTS WAY, NO MINI WAREHOUSES CURRENTLY ALLOWED, NO BOAT AND RRK V STORAGE CURRENTLY ALLOWED, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET WHICH CURRENTLY ALLOW UP TO 65 FEET OF BUILDING, SET AN EXTRA TEN FEET FOR ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS PROPOSAL TO S TO HAVE ZERO WETLAND IMPACTS, CURRENTLY THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS ON THIS. YOU HEARD AS TO THE PUD TAX THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER WETLANDER IMPACTS. WEZ ARE SPECIFICALLY STATE WITCHING OUR MDP MAP THAT WE HAVE ZERO WETLAND IMPACTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

AIZ POINTED OUT BEFORE, THIS IS 10.25 ACRES, THE WET LA*NDS AS PROVIDED BY THE EXPERT ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST, 6.61 ACRES OF UP LANDS, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR -- THAT'S 287 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WOULD BE 6.5% OF THAT UP LANDS, 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WOULD STILL ONLY BE 17% OF THAT UP LANDS.

IF THE ISSUE IS YOU WANT THIS BROKEN UP BECAUSE WE HEARD SOME CONCERNS THAT MAYBE WE DON'T WANT ONE BUILDING, THE OWNER IS AMENABLE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY.

THE ASK IS FOR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WHICH IS FOUND TO BE COMPATIBLE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, NROT TO SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS SHAPE OF THIS BUILDING, THEY WOULD BREAK THAT UP IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. AGAIN, THEY WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT IF THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION FINDS IS APPROPRIATE.

WE ARE PRESERVING THE BUFFERS, NATURAL BUFFETERS, WE'RE PRESERVING THE WETLAND, WE'RE TAKING OUT USES THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND OR TALK ABOUT AS INCOMPATIBLE TO THE AREA THAT ARE ALLOWED TODAY. WE'RE TAKING OUT THE HEIGHT WHICH WAS THE MAIN CONCERNS AND THEY'RE PREPARE TODAY REDUCE THIS, WHETHER IT'S SPLITTING UP THE BUILDING OR REDUCING THOSE TWO OTHER BUILDINGS DOWN TO 38 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, IF THAT'S WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE FOUND BY THE COMMISSION, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS YOU SAW IN THE E-MAILS YOU GOT, I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT. I TALKED ABOUT VALLEY RIFRJ, I TALKED ABOUT THE COMPARISON WITH VALLEY RIDGE AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS -- I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF YOU DID FIND THAT A REDUCTION NEEDS TO BE HAD, YOU CAN EASILY REDUCE THIS BUILDING HERE AND THIS BUILDING HERE AND WE CAN GET DOWN TO 38 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS ANYTHING OR TO WORK WITH THIS COMMISSION TO SATISFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL KO*P COMPATIBLE USES THAT THIS PARTICULAR OWNER IS ASKING FOR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME?

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I WANTED TO SAY I DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING THERE, I HEARD THEY WERE REASONABLE IN WHAT THEY EXPECTED TO BE THERE VERSUS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE RESIDENTS FOR COMING OUT AND FOR BEING ORGANIZED AND CIVIL AND FACT BASED.

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BUT I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS, THANK YOU. >> SORRY, BUT COMMISSIONER

MURPHY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I APPRECIATE THE TIME, JUST A FEW THINGS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS LOOK FOR IS CREDIBLE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND I WAS PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THE OPPOSITION CAME UP AND DESCRIBED THE AREAS OF THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC FOR THAT AREA THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CREDIBLE, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS INCREASE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> YES, SO I KNOW YOU USED VALLEY RIDGE AS AN EXAMPLE BUT EVERY TIME I GO BY VALLEY RIDGE, THERE'S ONLY ONE OPENING, THAT WHOLE HUGE THING AT THE NORTH SIDE, THEY HAVEN'T OPENED UP THE LIGHT, THEY HAVEN'T OPENED UP ANYTHING AND THAT'S WHY THE SUSHI PLACE WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, YOU COULDN'T PULL IN AND YOU HAVE TO DRIVE SOUTH AGAIN AND I FEEL BAD FOR THAT WHOLE STRIP OF DIERNL HOPING THEY CORRECT THAT IN THE FUTURE.

ANYWAY, THE TRAFFIC BOTHERS ME HOW IT WOULD GO IN AND OUT OF THERE.

I'M SORRY, I'M JUST NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS. AND I FEEL LIKE IF THE FOR SALE SIGN WASN'T THERE AND YOU CAME WITH AN ACTUAL SOLID PLAN OF MAYBE LIKE YOU WERE SHOWING DIFFERENT IDEAS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER TO CONSIDER BUT I'M SORRY, I'M NOT

GOING TO SUPPORT IT. >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, THE REASON WHY IT'S FOR SALE, THEY CAN GO AND DO 19 THOUSAN SQUARE FEET RIGHT NOW ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

THEY CAN MOST LIKELY GET AN ACCESS ON TO ABBOTTS WAY RIGHT NOW LEGALLY.

THEY COULD BUILD TO 65 FEET THERE NOW LEGALLY. THEY CAN PROBABLY IMPACT THE WETLANDS THERE RIGHT NOW LEGALLY. THEY COULD BUILD MINI WAREHOUSE THERE RIGHT NOW AND THEN PUT BOAT AND RV STORAGE THERE RIGHT NOW AND THE BOAT AND RV STORAGE WON'T TAKE UP THAT 19 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THAT'S NOW HO WE MEASURE THERE.

THEY CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS THEY CAN DO NOW WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOW FOR SALE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ER >> MR. WHITEHURST?

>> I CAN COUNT SO I CAN SEE HOW THIS IS GOING, JUST A THOUGHT WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE AND DISCUSSING THIS ITEM. WOULD IT BE WORTH FINDING A USE. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE STRUCK LED -- STRUGGLED WITH ARE THE TRAFFIC, SWRE THE NUMBER OF FATALITIES, BUT THE OUN KNOWN USE, IT'S 49 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF WHATEVER, SO PART OF MY CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE MAX MULL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY. I HEARD YOU SAY DURING THIS HEARING YOU'RE WILLING TO COME DOWN ON THAT, I'VE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR, I HAVE WRITTEN IT IT DOWN, IT MAIKT BE WORTH GET AGO USE FIRST AND COMING BACK IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD SERVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT MIGHT BE WORTH DOING THAT MOVING FORWARD. ER

>> YEAH, I THINK SO AS WELL. >> GREAT, THANK YOU, AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MIKE, IF HE COULD COME UP. GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS WHAT WE JUST HEARD REGARDING THAT THEY COULD GET ACCESS TO ABBOTT WAY LEGALLY.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT. I'M VERY CONFUSED BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDNG THAT THE HOA OWNS THAT PROPERTY. HOW WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO THAT ROAD LEGALLY?

>> SO, WHAT I CANNOT SPEAK TO IS HOW THEY WOULD ACHIEVE THAT ACCESS.

WHAT STAFF IS SPEAKING TO IS THE CONCEPT OF GETTING ACCESS THERE IS A POSITIVE THING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IF THE BOARD WAS TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TRAFFIC ON U.S. 1 IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE, PARTICULARLY THOSE FOLK THAT IS LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S TOUP THE APPLICANT TO GET APPROVED, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ACHIEVE

ACCESS IF THEY WERE TO GET IT. >> OKAY, SO -- >> IF THEY CAN'T GET IT.

>> CAN YOU CONFIRM THE COUNTY JUST DOESN'T OR WOULD THERE EVER BE A SITUATION WHERE WE HEARD IMMINENT DOMAIN COME UP WOULD BESINGER THAT BE A SITUATION? JTS I'LL LET OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY -- THE IMMINENT DOMAIN IS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR THE NEED TOF GENERAL PUBLIC TO ACQUIRE SOME

LAND OR WHATEVER IT IS. >> SO, THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE BOARD, SO YES, OUR COMP PLAN, WE DO LIKE CONTINUITY OF ACCESS, WE LIKE TO HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THOSE MATTERS, THEY ARE OFTENTIMES SHOWN ON MAPS BUT THAT'S NOT LEGAL ACCESS. THE APPLICANT AND WHOEVER OWNS IT, WHETHER IT'S THE EASEMENT

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>> THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT HAS SHOWN UP TODAY, I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY DURING THE DAY, DURING THE WEEK FOR MEETINGS SUCH AS THIS BUT WE DEFINITELY HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

ALSO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT DID SEND E-MAILS OUT. REMEMBER, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN -- IT WAS A YEAR IN NOVEMBER AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS COME BEFORE US BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN COUNT AS MANY E-MAILS OR MESSAGES THAT I HAVE RECEIVED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IT WAS REALLY A LOT, S I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I GREATLY APPRECIATE HOW WELL COORDINATED IT WAS AS WELL. I KNOW COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, VERY WELL COORDINATED. AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY MAJOR MOD 2025-19 LA KA LEAN NAS U.S. 1 COMMERCIAL AREA BASED ON 7

FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> LET'S VOTE. >> I'M A YES. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

MURPHY. AND THAT MOTION DOES PASS 5-0. >> ALRIGHT.

WHERE'S MY NOTES HERE. ALRIGHT. AT THIS TIME, OKAY, AND ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS -- WE EVER ONLY GOT THREE AGENDA IE STEPS AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TAKE AGO BREAK FOR LUNCH, WE ONLY HAVE THREE IE

[2. Public Hearing * PLNAPPL 2025-06 Bad Ass Coffee of Hawaii (MADRB 2025-06).]

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I HAD ONE PLUS E-MAIL AND IS A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE,

FOR THE APPLICANT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY E-MAILS OR PHONE CALLS FROM RESIDENTS OR STAFF.

I DO HAVE A RECORD OF A MEETING WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE TO DISCUSS THE NATURE OF THE APPEAL AND

THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT. >> GREAT. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> I DON'T REMEMBER ANY E-MAILS, BUT I DID MEET WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE.

>> OKAY, AND COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> SAME, I DON'T RECALL ANY E-MAIL FROM RESIDENTS OR STAFF BUT I DID HAVE A MEET WITCHING MR. WHITEHOUSE HERE?

>> ALSO I DID SOOT RECEIVE ANY E-MAIL FROM RESIDENTS OR STAFF AND I HAD A MEETING WITH MR.

WHITEHOUSE AS WELL WITH STAFF. >> JAMES WHITEHOUSE, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND THE BUSINESS OWNER ON THIS APPEAL. IT'S A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SIGN REQUEST CLEARLY MEETING ALL THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS. THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS IS LOCATED JUST TO THE SOUTH OF OCEAN TRACE ROAD ON A1A ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

IT'S WITHIN THIS BUSINESS CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BUSINESSES, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN THERE RIGHT ON A1A ITSELF JUST SOUTH OF THE OASIS RESTAURANT THAT YOU CAN SEE ON OCEAN TRACE ROAD, IT'S WITHIN YOUR RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE.

AND THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING CATEGORY ITSELF, IT'S AN EXISTING AREA OF USES THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES, COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST USE AND IS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD USES AS YOU CAN SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT AND FROM YOUR ZONING MAP ITSELF. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF SIGNS THAT CLEARLY MEET ALL THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS, THE INITIAL APPLICATION WAS MERELY REQUESTING DESIGN APPROVAL OF THE MANHATTAN STATION DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WHICH IS ONE OF YOUR REVIEW BOARDS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF ONE NEW WALL SIGN AND THE REFACING OF A CABINET WALL SIGN AND THE REFACING OF A POLE SIGN, AS YOU SEE FROM THE STAFF REPORT, THESE REQUESTS CLEARLY MEET ALL OF THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS. YOU SEE FROM A REVIEW OF THE BOARD MEETING ON 12/11/25 AND YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICANT EXPLAINED THE PROPOSED SIGNS, THE BOARD AT THE TIME, THE MEMBERS THAT WERE PRESENT, THERE WERE ONLY THREE MEMBERS PRESENT, THEY DID NOT FEEL THE SIGNS WERE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CULTURE OF THE AREA AND FELT THE SIGNS WERE SOMEWHAT ABRASIVE EVEN THOUGH THEY MET ALL THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FROM THE COUNTY CODE. YOU SEE THE STAFF EVALUATION OF THE SAME AND THE SUGGESTED FINDINGS IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL AS THE GOALS, OBJECT

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HERE YOU CAN SEE THE SIGN THAT CURRENTLY HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEAR AND IS IS WITHIN OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS, THIS WAS THE OLD SIGN THAT WAS THERE, THIS IS THE NEW SIGN THAT'S ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY ITSELF AND THIS IS THE FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY THAT FACES A1A ITSELF AND THIS IS THE THIRD SIGN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING ON THEIR PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

THIS WAS ROUTED TO ALL OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS AND THERE WERE NO OPEN COMMENTS ITSELF.

STAFF DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY PHONE CALLS OR E-MAILS ABOUT THIS REQUEST.

AS YOU SEE FROM THE EXPERT STAFF REVIEW, THE REQUEST FULLY MEETS THE COUNTY CODES AND REQUIREMENTS, IT IS WITHIN THE EXISTING EXISTING BESTING OF A1A, THEY TELL YOU THE WALL SIGN ITSELF COMPLY WIDTHS THE LDC SECTION 30807, THEY TELL YOU THAT THE PROPOSED POLE SIGN AND THE REFACING OF THE SAME, THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING CHANGE TOS THE SAME AND IT MEETS LDC SECTION 30837, THEY ALSO PUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSIDERATION INSIDE THERE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE MATERIALS OF THE SIGN, THE ORIENTATION OF THE SIGN, THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN, THE SIGN -- SIZE OF THE SIGNS AND THIS SHOWS THAT IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR EXPERT PLANNING STAFF. THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS IS A NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AND TRADEMARK BUSINESS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, IT START INED HAWAII, THEN MOVED TO THE WEST COAST AND NOW IT'S THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND OVER 45 LOCATIONS AND THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS THEIR SIGN THAT THEY USE ON THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, IT'S BEEN APPROVED IN MANY DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.

THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE LOCATION IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, THIS IS THE COUNTER ITSELF, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE YOU HAVE THE DINING AND THE SALE OF DIFFERENT GOODS ITSELF.

IT'S A FAMILY ORIENTED BUSINESS, YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE KIDS PICTURES THAT WERE COLORED THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS ITSELF, LIKE I SAID, THE STAFF HAS TOLD YOU THERE'S NO CORRESPONDENCE OR PHONE CALLS REGARD THING APPEAL. THIS REQUEST DOES MEET THE CODE, IT'S BOTH APPROPRIATE AND REASONABLE AND WE ASK FOR THIS BOARD'S REASONABLE APPROVAL AND

REVIEW OF THE APPEAL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT FROM THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER MURPHY, TO YOU

HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? >> NO, MA'AM, THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE? NO? OKAY, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WOULD LUKE TO.

>> WE NEED TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT

ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. >> GOOD MORNING, 1821 LONG STRAOELT, MAUREEN, I SIT TON DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS SIBS, THE REVIEW-- SIGNS T REVIEW FOR IT, THE PROPOSAL FOR IT, AS WE WENT THROUGH AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS WHICH I WAS NOT ABLE TO GO OUT AND LOOK TO SEE THE BUILDING I WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH, I LIVED ON THE ISLAND ALL MY LIFE AND I REMEMBER THE BUILD HATING WAS THERE.

ONCE WE STARTED OUR MEETING, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD AND SENT INTO OUR PLANNER WAS THE SIZE -- NOT SO MUCH THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING BUT AS YOU CAN SEE AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL SIGN, WHAT I DID IS I CREATED ONE AND PUT IT ON THE BUILDING FROM FAR AWAY AND CLOSE UP AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT YOU COULD SEE THE BAD ASS VERY FAR AWAY. THAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME.

ONCE THE MEETING GOT STARTED, OUR BOARD MEMBER LET US KNOW THE SIGN WAS ALREADY UP, THE SIGNS WERE PUT UP, THEY DID NOT COME BEFORE THE BOARD TO DO THAT.

IT WAS VERY STOPPING TO ME, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO AS THE CHAIR AND I SPEAK ONLY FOR MYSELF, NOT FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS HERE. THE SIGNS WENT UP AND THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO XWO AND THE STRATEGY OR THE PROPOSAL OF HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT. THE BUSINESS SIGN PERSON COMES IN AND SHE KNEW VERY WELL THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PERMITTED. THERE WAS MANY CONVERSATION AND IS COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR PLANNER, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE BUILDING THEMSELVES, THE FRANCHISE OWNER IN THEIR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, IT SHOWS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCES T APPLICABLE

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WE WEREN'T SAYING -- I WASN'T SAYING THEY COULDN'T HAVE A SIGN, IT WASN'T THE CONSENT OF THE SIGN, IT'S THE WAY THAT IT WAS -- THE SIZE OF IT AND THE AREA IN WHICH IT IS.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNS, THE MATERIALS OF IT ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I SEE IT UP. THE MATERIALS OF IT JUST DO NOT MATCH WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF, SO THERE ARE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY COULD COME BACK, WE COULD WORK TOGETHER BUT IN THE MEANTIME, BECAUSE IT IS *F IT IS IN VIOLATION, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PERM, TAKE THE SIGN DOWN. DURING THE MEETING, THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO DO, THE FACING OF THE SIGN, TO TAKE IT DOWN.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT COME IN AND DO THEIR TIME AND THEIR DILIGENCE AND IF YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SPEND SO MUCH MONEY, WHY NOT DO YOUR DILIGENCE AND FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSE TODAY DO. I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE AN OPENING BUT THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN A TEMPORARY SIGN FOR THAT TIME.

OUR COUNTY WORKS WELL WITH NEW BUSINESSES, SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. LONG, WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM?

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS NATHAN, 278 TROLL STREET, I'M RETIRED FROM THE FLORIDA ARMY, NATIONAL GUARD, U.S. ARMY, I SAY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT GOOD COFFEE IS, I KNOW WHAT BAD COFFEE IS. I SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I HAVE LITERALLY COOKED COFFEE ON THE ENGINE BLOCK OF A HUNG VEHICLE OUT ON THE FIELD, YOU PUT A METAL CUP UP ON THE HOOD, THROW SOME GROUNDS IN AND CALL IT A DAY.

BAD ASS COFFEE IS NOT THAT. THE YOU WALK INTO THE BUILD, IT IS AN EXTREMELY FAMILY ORIENTED ORGANIZATION, EVERYTHING IN THERE, THEY HAVE STUFFED ANIMALS, IT IS COMPLETELY FAMILY ORIENTED PLACE AND I OFTEN WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AND NOTICED THEY USE 308, THE REGULATION 308, I WONDERED WHY DID THEY NOT REFERENCE THE ORDINANCES FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RATHER THAN 308. SO, I USED TO WORK FOR THE GOVERNOR'S DRUG PREVENTION -- I'M SORRY, DRUG PREVENTION ADVISORY COUNCIL AND WE DRAFTED LEGISLATION TO HELP PREVENT DRUGS, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I KIND OF KNEW MY WAY AROUND ESSENTIALLY. ER I WENT BACK IN AND LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCES FOR SIGNAGE THAT HAVE BEEN DRAFTED FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THOSE ORDINANCES DATED FROM 1983 AND THE MOST RECENT ONE DATED TO 2000, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE MOST RECENT SIGN STATE LEVEL OR STATUTE IS 2025. WHAT YOU CAN HAVE THERE IS PREEMPTION, THE STATE COULD HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE STATUTES THAT WOULD NULL AND VOID THE ORDINANCES AT ST.

JOHNS COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS ON FILE. THEN YOU HAVE 308, SAME SITUATION, AT 2000, THAT PARTICULAR ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN IN 2000, YOU HAVE THREE YARS, THINGS COULD HAVE SHIFTED. IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A NEW BUSINESS THAT IS TRYING TO SET UP IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WHY WOULD WE TRY TO HOLD THEM TO THE ON ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN SIX YEARS OLD THAT WE OURSELF INS OUR COUNTY ARE NOT CORRECT BY CORRECTING AND UPDATING OUR OWN ORDINANCES, THAT MAKES NO SENSE AND IT SENDS VERY BAD VIBE TOS THE BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT, SO INSTEAD, WHY DON'T WE CLEAN OUR OWN HOUSE BEFORE WE GO AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE. THAT *F WE'RE NOT EVEN -- WE'RE SCENTEDBACKER SENDING A MESSAGE TO NOT BRING BUSINESSES TO THE COUNTY THE THAT WE'RE TRYING -- BRING IN MORE BUSINESS, THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO. WE HAVE NIGHTS OF LIGHTS, WE WANT TO BRING MORE BUSINESSES THERE, WE HAVE THE BEACH, WE WANT TO BRING MORE BUSINESSES THERE, WE WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL YET WE SEND A MESSAGE LIKE THIS WHERE YOUR SIGN, I WISH I COULD READ YOU THE FIRST DEFINITION TO ASK, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ IT.

>> HELLO, MY NAME'S CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK SESTETS, THIS IT IS BIG ISSUE OF THE SIGNS,

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WELL, I GUESS FOR YEARS WITH THE PZA, WHEN THEY HAD THE BASS MASTERS SIGN GOING UP OR ALL THESE WAL-MART SIGNEES GOING UP OF HOW MUCH THEY NEED TO MAKE THEM LARGER, EVEN CHURCHES WANTED TO MAKE THEIR SIGNS LARGER BECAUSE THE CRUCIFIX THAT WAS STANDING ABOUT 25 FOOT ABOVE THE CHURCH DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE RECOGNIZING IT, THEY NEEDED TO MAKE THE SIGN LARGER.

YES, IT HAPPENED, OKAY, PUBLIX, THEY LIKE TO MAKE THEIR SIGNS LARGER, AND I BROUGHT IT UP WITH PZA AND THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET THIS ORDINANCE CHANGED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE LAST MINUTE SIGN CHANGES HAS COME IN WITH THE OH BY THE WAY CONCEPT. THIS RIGHT HERE, HEY, IF IT'S IN THE RECORDS, GO BY IT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT, IF IT'S THAT OLD WHICH -- AND THE COUNTY HASN'T CHANGED ANYTHING, THAT'S THE COUNTY'S FAULT, SO IF THEY WANT TO BE ON THEIR OWN AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO AND COME BACK AND MAKE A CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY THEY MUST HAVE SEEN ALL THESE OTHER BIG CORPORATIONS DO THE SAME THING IN THIS COUNTY. LAST MINUTE SIGN CHANGES, LAST MINUTE SIGN CHANGES IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNTY IS SO RIDICULOUS ABOUT. IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT RIGHT THERE AND WHAT IT SHOULD BE, I QUESTION THE COMPANY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PLANNING IT PROPERLY. SO, IF IT TAKES TO TELL THEM YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT OR YOU NEED TO TAKE IT DOWN UNTIL ALL THE PERMITS ARE PUT IN, DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR LITTLE FUZZY ANIMALS AT THE DOOR FOR YOUR KIDS, ALRIGHT. TELL YOUR KIDS, YEAH, WE HAD TO TAKE IT DOWN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? HI, MS. CALATY, GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> BJCALATY, I'M SO LUCKY I GET TO STAY HERE. THIS CAN COMPANY -- THIS COMPANY DID NOT FOLLOW SIGN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND CONTINUES TO IGNORE CODE REQUIREMENTS SINCE DECEMBER 11, 2025. THE MADRB BOARD MAKES DECISIONS BASED ON RULES AND QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES VERSUS THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR BUSINESS ACTIONS.

PLEASE UPHOLD DENIAL BY MID ANASTASIA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD OR REQUIRE THE PROPERTY OWNER, NOT THE SIGN COMPANY, WHERE IS THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? I KNOW I'M RAISING MY VOICE BUT THE LAWYERS DO IT, LET'S ALL RAISE OUR VOICES, OR REQUIRED PROPERTY OWNER, NOT THE SIGN COMPANY AND THE LAWYER TO ACCEPT THE COMPROMISED OFFER TODAY BY MEMBER OF MID ANASTASIA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND I DON'T CARE WHAT THE COFFEE TASTES LIKE. IT'S LIKE OUR LAWS, OUR RULES, OUR ORDINANCES ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED. AND DEVELOPERS AND THEIR DEVELOPERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE. YOU WANT TO HIRE THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE START PEOPLE, THEY'RE ALL OVER -- THEY'RE NOT IN THE STATES OF AMERICA SELLING COFFEE BUT THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THIS COUNTY AND IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU

KEEP ON MAKING SOME DECISIONS, YOU NEED TO DENY THIS APPEAL. >> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUN PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

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PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER MURPHY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME?

>> YES, MA'AM, JUST ONE QUESTION. I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE STAFF NOTE AND IS I WAS LISTENIG TO THE TESTIMONY, BUT IT ISN'T CLEAR WHY THE SIGN WAS DENIED, WAS IT DENIED BECAUSE IT WAS TOO BIK, WAS IT DENIED BECAUSE THERE'S A QUESTIONABLE NAME IN

IT, WHAT WAS THE DENIAL FOR, THE ORIGINAL DENIAL FOR? >> MADAM CHAIR, JAMES WHITEHOUSE AGAIN FOR THE APPLICANT. THE PROPRIETOR IS HERE WITH ME, MR. ALAN STA NZAC, I WANT TO CLARIFY TWO THINS X WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DEVIATIONS AT ALL FROM THE CODE. AS YOU SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, WE MEET THE CODE.

THE REASON WHY -- ONE TOF REASONS WE'RE HERE IS THERE ARE THREE SIGNS, TWO OF THEM WERE REFACING SIGNS THAT WERE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, THE THIRD WAS FOR THE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THE SIGN IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS NOT THERE.

I SUPPOSE AND AGAIN I DIDN'T DO THE INITIAL APPLICATION BUT ANY UNDERSTANDING AND THE PROPRIETOR'S UNDERSTANDING WHEN THEY HIRE TED SIGN COMPANY TO DO IT, THEIR THOUGHT WAS WE CAN REFACE SIGNS BUT SINCE THIS IS A A NEW SIGN, WE HAVE TO GET AN APPLICATION THA,'S WHY YOU SEE CHOSE SIGNS UP, THEY UNDERSTAND IT WAS THEIR FAULT THIS THEY DID THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOOD FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IT ESPECIALLY FOR AN APPLICATION THAT MEETS EVERY ONE OF YOUR DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A BIGGER SIGN OR FOR DIFFERENT COLORS, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR DIFFERENT ORIENTATION, YOU SAW THE REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE FOR OUR CONSIDERATION. THIS MEETING ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR REASONABLE REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> NO, MADAM CHAIR.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> YES, SO OKAY, SO COMING IN HERE, I KIND OF READ IT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE IT IS NORTH NOT ABOUT THE WORD, IT'S ABOUT THE COMPLIANCE. HOW SOON CAN YOU BE IN COMPLIANCE, CAN WE SAY IT'S OKAY TODAY AND LET'S GET IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE DESIGN COMMITTEE SAID?

>> WELL, THE DESIGN COMMITTEE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REVIEWED THE MINUTES OR NOT, BUT 99% OF THE DISCUSSION HAD TO DO WITH THE NAME, NOT THE SIZE, NOT THE -- THE ORDER ITSELF AS YOU SEE THAT COMES IN THEIR PACKET TALKS ABOUT THOSE REQUIREMENTS UNDER OUR CODE AND THAT'S WHY YOU HEAR REFERENCE TO THAT'S WHY THEY DENIED IT. IF YOU LISTEN TO THE MINUTES THA,'S NOT WHY THEY DENIED IT. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THIS IS A SUBJECTIVE STANDARD AS TO SIZE AND STANDARDS, IT'S LIKE AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, YOU MAKE AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE CODE SAYS, THIS ISN'T A SITUATION LIKE I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU ON FOR VARIANCES TO SIZE OF SIGNS, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, YOUR EXPERT STAFF TELLS YOU THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THERE IS A SUBJECTIVE STANDARD THIS BOARD TOOK IN AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL THE NAME OF THE COMPANY REALLY MET THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS AND THE FACT IS IT'S A NATIONAL, INTERNATIONAL COMPANY, THIS IS A TRADEMARKED SIGN WITH THE SIZE AND THE COLORS, YOU SEE IT, IT'S ON ALL THEIR KIDS, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT COMING INTO COMPLIANCE, COMING INTO COMPLIANCE IS THE FRONT SIGN ISN'T EVEN ON THERE BUT IT MEET IT IS REQUIREMENT AND IS WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL SOTHEY CAN ORDER THE SIGN AND PUT IT UP THERE.

>> WHO DO I CONFIRM THAT, IS THERE SOMEONE HERE THAT CAN CONFIRM THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE NAME AND I HAD SOME SONS THAT WERE BAD ASSES TOO, SO I NOTICE YOU HAVE A CUP OF JOE FOR A SOLD YUR PROGRAM, ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE, DID THEY FOLLOW THE

RULES BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR THE TO THE OTHER PEOPLE? >> JACK QUAY WILLIAMS, GROWTH MANAGEMENT, I'M THE OVERLAY PLANNER, I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THE APPLICATION. ALL OF THEIR SIGNS FOLLOWS THE SIZE, THE COLORS, THEIR ICON IS LESS THAN THE 15% THAT'S REQUIRE SOD THEY FOLLOW THE

WHOLE SECTION OF SECTION 3.08. >> THANK YOU, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS

TIME? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO

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MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION THOUGH, SORRY, I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS WITH LEGAL. I KNOW WE HAVE THE MOTION THERE, BUT SHOULD WE DO THE SECOND MOTION, WOULD THAT MAKE IT LEGALLY -- WHICH ONE DO YOU RECOMMEND?

>> YOU HAVE THE MOTION IN YOUR PACKET. >> OKAY.

RIGHT, I KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS BETTER. ALRIGHT.

SO, YOU ARE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, COMMISSIONER MURPHY ? >> I WANT TO MOTION TO APPROVE PLNAPPL2025-06 BAD ASS COFFEE OF HAWAII OVERTURN THING DECISION OF THE MID ANASTASIA DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND APPROVING MAD B2025-06 BASED ON DECISION OF FACTS.

>> SECOND. >> GREAT, LET'S VOTE. AND COMMISSIONER MURPHY, IF YOU

COULD SAY YOURS VERBALLY? >> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THAT PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT.

LET'S SEE. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 AND

[3. Public Hearing *PLNAPPL 2025-05 Episcop K-8 Private Sc 00 (SUPMAJ 2025- 18).]

>> YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I HAVE HAD 7 PLUS E-MAILS IN SUPPORT.

I HAD A MEET WITCHING PATRICK AND CASEY T APPLICANT, TAYLOR SMITH AND ALAN IN PARTNERSHIP

WITH THE SCHOOL AND THE STAFF. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> I HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF E-MAILS, I MET WITH MR. CRISHOWSKI, MR. SMITH, MR. ILIA, WE DISCUSSED WHAT THEY WERE ENTITLED, THEY DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.

>> GREAT, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I HAD 7 OR MORE E-MAILS. I DID MEET WITH PATRICK, TAYLOR AND IES, WE HAD SOME STAFF IN WILL AND I HAD A SPEECH ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE, SO I DID DRIVE THE

HUGE DWRAO*IFR GOING INTO THE CHURCH THAT'S WAY OFF THE ROAD. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> THANK YOU, I HAD ABOUT 7TH MAILS AS WELL AND I MISSED MY MEET WITCHING THE TEAM BACK

THERE LAST WEEK DUE TO A FAMILY EMERGENCY, SO MY APOLOGIES. >> GREAT, AND I AMSED HAD OVER 6TH MAILS ON THIS, I HAD A MEET WITCHING PATRICK, TAYLOR SMITH AND ELIA, AND AS WELL AS

STAFF. SO, GREAT. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR REALLY QUICKLY, THIS IS AN APPEAL FROM YOUR PZA, IT WAS APPROVED 7-0, IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU HAVE AN APPELLANT, YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT SO YU EEL GIVE THE APPELLANT 15 MINUTES T APPLICANT 15 MINUTES, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.

[INAUDIBLE]. THIS WAS PROPERLY EVALUATED, AND THREE, WHETHER PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC IMPACTS WERE SUFFICIENTLY ANALYZED. WE ARE NOT OPPOSING EDUCATION.

WE ARE ASKING THAT THE REQUIRED STANDARDS BE PROPERLY APPLIED. SO THE CORE ISSUES, THERE'S TWO, FIRST, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC CONCENTRATION AND RESIDENTIAL ACCESS SAFETY.

SECOND, IT'S PERMANENT PROTECTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER AND I WILL ILLUSTRATE BOTH BRIEFLY. THIS ILLUSTRATES PEAK HOUR STACKING DURING DISMISSAL, SCHOOL TRAFFIC IS NOT EVENLY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE DAY, IT IS CONCENTRATED INTO SHORT, HIGH VOLUME ARRIVALS DURING ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL. WHEN VEHICLES QUEUE AND PICK UP AND DROP OFF, STACKING CAN OCCUR AND DEPENDING ON OPERATIONS MAY EXTEND TO PALM VALLEY ROAD. THIS DOES NOT DEMONSTRATE ANALYSIS ON HOW PEAK HORNED

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THIS IS THE SECOND POINT, THE BUFFER SECTION, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE PROPOSED SCHOOL SHARES A LONG BOUNDARY WITH EXISTING HOMES IN ADEN CHASE, THESE RED DOTS HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE SHOW THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. ONE OF THOSE HOMES IS OURS.

THIS IS NOT JUST ONE HOME, IT'S A CONTINUOUS RESIDENTIAL EDGE. BECAUSE THIS IS DIRECT AND EXTENDED ADJACENCY, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT RESIDENTIAL PROTECTIONS ARE CLEARLY SECURED.

OKAY. SO, THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER NOT IMPOSE ISED A BINDING CONDITION, SO THE STAFF REPORT MESHES BUFFERING AND REFERS TO A 20 FOOT BUFFER, OKAY.

HOWEVER, THE BUFFER IS NOT CLEARLY IMPOSED AS A PERMANENT CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

THERE IS NO CLEAR LANGUAGE PREVENTING IT FROM BEING REDUCED IN THE FUTURE AND NO CLEAR LIMITS ON HOW FUTURE EXPANSION COULD AFFECT THE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE BUFFER IS REFERENCED BUT IT IS NOT FIRMLY SECURED.

BECAUSE THESE HOMES DIRECTLY BORDER THE PROPERTY THOSE PROTECTIONS SHOULD BE CLEARLY AND PERMANENTLY IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL. OKAY, SO THIS IS JUST THE FINAL SLIDE. THIS APPEAL ASKS FOR A LIMITED AND REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE BOARD, ONE, REQUIRE PROPER TRAFFIC EVALUATION BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL, TWO, SECURE THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS A PERMANENT CONDITION AND, THREE, REQUIRE BOARD REVIEW FOR ANY FUTURE EXPANSION AFFECTING THE RESIDENTIAL BOUNDARY.

WE ARE NOT ASKING THE BOARD TO DENY THIS PROJECT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE TWO FIVE YEAR-OLD GIRLS, THEY GO THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NEED FOR IT IN THIS COMMUNITY, I DO, I JUST KIND OF WANT IT TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS OUR HOMES AND JUST OUR HOME VALUE AND HOW WE ALL KIND OF LIVE. WE'RE JUST ASKING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND RESIDENTIAL PROTECTIONS BE ADDRESSED AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD?

OKAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, PATRICK KER CH OWSKI, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA, ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT, WE DID HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH HERE THAT HAD TO LEAVE DUE TO A FAMILY ISSUE BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME FOLKS IN THE BACK, MY WIFE TELLS ME I'M COLOR BLIND, I THINK THOSE ARE BEACH COLORED T-SHIRTS THA,'S OUR GROUP.

I WANT TO SAY I REPRESENT NEPTUNE BEACH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'RE SPENDING HERE.

I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS, IS THIS WORKING OR DO I NEED TO ASK FOR -- LET'S SEE, THERE WE GO. I'M JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH MY PRESENTATION HERE WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. I'M GIVING SOME HISTORY OF THE APPLICATION AND THE PROCESS, YOU CAN SEE THIS HERE, I DON'T NEED TO READ IT TO YOU, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOUR PLANING AND ZONING AGENCY APPROVED OUR SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPLICATION.

THIS IS -- I'LL HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF THE SITE PLAN HERE IN A SECOND, BUT THIS IS THE PROPOSED USE AND THE PROJECT SITE AND I'LL POINT OUT, I'M GOING SAY THIS A COUPLE OF

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IF THIS WAS TH* WAS A CHARTER OR PUBLIC SCHOOL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO FILE A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPLICATION, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. THE ONLY REASON WE HAD TO DO SO, BECAUSE THE CODE READS, WE'RE A PRIVATE SCHOOL SO WE HAVE TO COME IN FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION. WE DON'T EXPECT TO BE AT 850 STUDENTS RIGHT AWAY, IT WOULD PROBABLY GET TO THREE TOERER OUR YEARS TO GET TO 800, THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTED CAPACITY, YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER HIGHLIGHTS THERE, WHEN WE GET TO BUFFERS, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE WETLAND IMPACTS. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE LOCATION, THIS IS NEXT TO ADEN CHASE PALM VALLEY ROAD WHICH IS A COLLECTOR ROAD. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE ARE A RURAL CULTURE AND YOU CAN SEE THE AREA NEXT TO PURPLE, THAT'S ADEN CHASE WHICH IS A MIXED USE DISTRICT. THERE IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE PORTION OF PALM VALLEY ROAD THERE. THIS IS THE ZONING, WE'RE OPEN RURAL WHICH ALLOWS FOR BY RIGHT SCHOOLS AND BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT PRIVATE SCHOOLS. HERE ARE SOME DETAIL ON THE OPERATION OF THE SCHOOL ITSELF, THERE'S ALREADY A PRESCHOOL IN THE AREA AND THIS WILL BE STANDARD SCHOOL OPERATIONS, STANDARD TIMES. THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA UNDER THE CODE FOR PRIVATEER SCHOOLS WITH CONVENTIONAL AK DEEM I CAN CURRICULUM, WE MEET ALL THREE.

WE ARE DESPITE THE OTHER COMMENT, I UNDERSTAND PALM VALLEY ROAD IS A TWO LANE ROAD, ON THE COUNTY DESTINATION, THEY ARE A MINOR COLLECTOR, WE'RE NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SO THE SIGNAGE ISSUE DOESN'T APPLY AND WE'VE DONE THE SURVEY TO DETERMINE OUR DISTANCE FROM ALCOHOL VENDOR. SO, HERE'S A BETTER LOOK AT THE SITE IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT ON THE SLIDE, TO THE NORTH, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING ENTRANCE THAT COMES IN TO THE E KIS COP PAL CHURCH, THAT WINDING ROAD THAT GOES AROUND THERE AND IT STOPS THERE, THE -- I DON'T THINK THERE'S -- I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN POINT TELEVISING'S A DIRT ROAD THAT WINDS AROUND THE CHURCH, THAT WILL BE IMPROVED, HOWEVER THERE WILL BE NO TREE CUTTING OR CLEARING BUT WE WILL IMPROVE THAT DIRT ROAD BACK TO THE SCHOOL ITSELF, THE ATHLETIC FIELD IS THERE BEHIND IT. WE'RE GOING DO SOME IMPRAO*UFRMENTS TO THE ENTRANCE OFF PALM VALLEY, THERE WILL BE SOME RIGHT OF WAY RESERVATION AND THEN AN AUXILIARY RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANE IMPRAO*UFRMENTS THERE TO DEAL WITH THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, WE WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. HERE IS THE QUEUING, THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS AT DROP OFF, WHAT HAPPENS AT PICK-UP, I THINK MOST OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT WORKS BUT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT QUEUING CAPACITY INTERIOR, NOT ON PALM VALLEY ROAD, THIS IS ALL WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA, OVER 440 LUN YAR FEET FOR ENTRY AND OVER 2800 FEET FOR EXIT. THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENT ABOUT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO LEAVE AT ONCE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW SCHOOLS WORK, THAT ISN'T HOW IT WORKS, YOU GET ABOUT 8-10 CARS SH GET THEIR KIDS INTO CARS, THEY PROCEED OUT, THE NEXT DAY TO 10, MOVE FORWARD.

WE ALSO DON'T EXPECT THAT ALL 100% OF THE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO LEAVE TAT SAME TIME TELEVISING'S GOING TO BE ATHLETICS AND EXTENDED DAY, NOT ALL PARENTS, I KNOW I CAN'T START LINING UP AT 2:00 AND WAIT FOR YOUR CHILD TO COME OUT SO, THERE WILL BE PROBABLY 60-70% OF THE KIDS WILL LEAVE TAT SAME TIME BUT WITH THE FLOW AND PARTICIPATION BY THE SCHOOL OPERATIONS TO MAKE SURE THIS WORKS THE RIGHT WAY. HERE'S JUST AN OVERHEAD OF THE VARIOUS ACCESS ROUTES TOS THE PROPERTY AND SPEAKING OF BUFFERS, THERE ARE A LOT OF TECHNICAL HERE, WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU IS THIS OVERHEAD. THE GREEN BOXES TO THE NORTH, THOSE ARE THE HOMES OF THE APPELLANTS ESTIMATED THEIR LOCATION, YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING. FR* 140 TO OVER 400 FEET. THIS IS EXISTING VEGETATION, THIS ISN'T STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE PLANTED AND MATURE AND MAINTAIN AND HAD THAT FASHION, IT'S ALREADY THERE. NOT THAT WE'RE GOIPG TO HAVE AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER ON SITE OR AIR FORCE 1'S, BUT THIS GIVES YOU CONTEXT AND PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THAT LARGE AREA IS.

ER THE REASON WE HAVE THIS BUFFER GOING BACK TO THIS PICTURE IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IMPACTING WETLANDS, I KNOW YOU HEARD THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES TODAY.

THAT'S WHY THIS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF BUFFERING IS HERE. THERE'S BEEN A COMMENT THAT IT'S NOT PERMANENT, IT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE. IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN THIS BUFFER T COUNTY IS GOING TO COME AND SAY WHY AREN'T YOU MAINTAIN THIRSTING BUFFER.

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IT'S IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT BUT REQUIRED IN THE COUNTY CODE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND WE WOULD BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR APPROVAL IF WE DIDN'T MAINTAIN THIS BUFFER.

THSZ ABANIMATION OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE EXISTING, YOU HAVE LOWER LEVEL BUSHES, IT'S A GREAT SCREEN, THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE MEDIUM AREA WITHIN OUR BUFFER AREA.

YOU'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER, I THINK IT'S BEEN SUPPLEMENTED SINCE THE PACKET WAS PUT OUT, I THINK THERE'S BEEN ABOUT 12-15 E-MAIL INS SUPPORT, WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE IN SUPPORT. MR. SHAROGA IS GOING TO TELL A LITTLE BIT OF THE STORY, THIS FILLS A VOID FOR FAITH BASED EDUCATION, PRIVATE EDUCATION IN THE COUNTY, IN PARTICULAR, THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY, WE THINK THIS IS AN IDEAL SITE, IT'S VERY WOODED AND VERY HIDDEN, WE THINK THIS WILL BE AN AMAZING COMMUNITY ASSET TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

HERE'S SOME RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF WHAT THE SCHOOL BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE CHAPEL WILL LOOK LIKE T FACILITIES INSIDE. THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS SCHOOL AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOL IS THE FAITH BASED EDUCATION AND CHAPEL SERVICES ALL TAKING PLACE INSIDE. I DO WANT TO MENTION TOO GOING TO SOME PREVIOUS -- I THINK IT WAS IN THEIR DOCUMENTS, SOME LIGHTING, THE PROJTS COMPLY WIDTHS THE COUNTY'S LIGHTING CODE WHICH IS STRINGENT AND WE HAVE AGREE TODAY ADD A CONDITION THAT ALL ACTIVITIES ON THE FIELD FACILITY ACTIVITY WILLS CEASE BEFORE 10 P.M., WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? NO? ALRIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION -- PUBLIC COMMENT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP

TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> HI THERE, GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THAT, GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS LAURA SMITH, A ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT AND MY FAMILY AND I LIVE IN NACATEE, AS A RESIDENT COMMIT TODAY THE EDUCATIONAL NEED AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEED TODAY SUPPORT THIS, I REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT IN THE APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE K-8 PRIVATE FAITH BASED SCHOOL IN OUR COMMUNITY. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE AND OUR THREE CHILDREN HAVE LIVED -- WELL, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVE INED NACATEE FOR 13 YEARS NOW, WE HAVE SEEN THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH STAINING PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY, YET DESPITE THIS GROWTH, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FAITH BASED OPTION IN THE NACATEE AREA, AS MOTHER OF THREE CHILDREN WHO WE'RE ALL HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS EFFORT BUT NEEDS TO GET BACK TO SCHOOL, WE NEED TO TRAVEL FOR PRIVATE FAITH BASED AND/OR SPECIALIZED EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING, THIS HAS CREATED A BURDEN FOR US FOR OUR FAMILY AND IS OTHERS WE KNOW OF.

MANY OF US HAVE LEFT AND MOVED OUT OF THE AREA FOR THIS REASON. IT LIMITS PARENTAL CHOICE, INCREASES CONGESTION AND DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS FAMILIES SUCH AS FAITH BASED EDUCATION OR SMALLER CLASS SIZES. A PRIVATE K-8 SCHOOL WOULD ALLEVIATE THESE CHALLENGE AND IS OFFER ACADEMIC OPTIONS FOR FAMILIES, IT WOULD AFFORD DIFFERENTIATED LEARNING ENVIRONMENTSTAILOR TODAY THE COMMUNITY'S DIVERSE NEEDS.

AS OUR COMMUNITY MATURES, MATCHING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH EDUCATIONAL NEEDS IS IMPERATIVE.

AND APPROVING A K-8 PRIVATEER CHRISTIAN SCHOOL ENABLES PARENTAL CHOICE, REDUCES COMMUTING PRESSURE AND IS HELPS RETAIN FAMILIES FOR LONG TERM ACADEMIC STABILITY.

THIS IS TO PROACT TIMELY RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OFFER OPTIONS FOR FAMILIES. THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO LEVER OUR COMMUNITY TO OBTAIN IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION FO -- IN THIS MATTER. >> ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT? ALRIGHT. >> HELLO, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, MY NAME IS JOE CHISOM, I LIVE AT 13760 DEERFIELD CHASE IN JACKSONVILLE, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF EVP, MY BACKGROUND IS IN EDUCATION, PRIMARILY I'VE

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THESE ARE PEOPLE ALREADY DRIVING THE ROADS, ALREADY GOING TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY, THEY JUST WANT TO GO TO THIS SCHOOL IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS, ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN PROVIDING THIS FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, THANK

YU. >> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IT COULD BE FUN IF YOU'RE THINK K ABOUT IT?

NO, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALRIGHT, ANY COMMENTS FROM

THE BOARD AT THIS TIME >> WELL, THE APPELLANT HAS FIVE MINUTES TO THE ABUT IF HE

SO CHOOSES, SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE FIVE MINUTES TO REBUT? >> NO.

>> OKAY, ALRIGHT. >> THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ?FRJTS I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THE MOTION. I KIND OF WANTED TO HEAR FROM KINSLEY THOUGH.

ALRIGHT. I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY PLNAPPL2025-0 5TH PIS COPAL K-8 PRIVATE SCHOOL, BASED UPON 8 FINDINGS OF PACT AND 9 CONDITIONS.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> YES.

>> GREAT. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUS 5-0, THANK YOU.

[Commissioners’ Reports]

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST >> THANK YOU, MADAM. TYLER PLEASE PULL UP THE PICTURE I JUST SENT YOU. EVERYONE, THIS IS LAKITA KING. SHE WORKED FOR THIS COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN OUR RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT FOR A LONG TIME.

SHE WAS A VERY LONG TIME EMPLOYEE BUT I ALWAYS REMEMBER LAKITA AT THE EOC DURING OUR EMERGENCY AND HURRICANE RESPONSE. THAT SMILE THAT YOU SEE IN THAT PICTURE IS THE SMILE SHE ALWAYS HAD ON HER FACE. SOMEBODY YOU SEE SOMEBODY SMILE, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THE SAME PERSON. SHE'S VERY HARD WORKING.

SHE'S BELOVED BY STAFF, COMMISSIONERS AND CO-WORKERS. IF SHE CAME IN THE CONTACT WITH WITH YOU, SHE MADE YOUR LIFE BETTER. WE LOST HER LATE LAST WEEK.

I WANT TO MAKE MENTION THAT WE LOVE LAKITA. WE'RE GOING TO MISS HER VERY MUCH AROUND HERE. THAT FIRST ITEM. SECONDLY, WE ALSO LOST VIVIAN BROWNING. IF YOU -- SHE WAS A LEADER IN THAT COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.

MUCH OF WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT THE BEACH NOW BECAUSE OF THE LEADERSHIP OR SOMETHING THAT VIVIAN BROWNING WAS INVOLVED IN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MENTION THOSE TWO FOLKS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN BIG WAY AND DIFFERENT WAYS, THOUGH, TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM. JUST COUPLE OF THINGS. IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION FROM SOME OUR RURAL LANDOWNERS, ALTHOUGH COMMERCIAL NURSERIES ARE ALLOWED IN CERTAIN AREAS,

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I WAS HOPING TO GET CONSENSUS TO HAVE STAFF DO LITTLE DIGGING AND BRING IT BACK TO US AS A BOARD

TO CONSIDER. >> YES. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR AMAZING STAFF OUR AMAZING SPONSORS, THE FIRST ST. JOHNS COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DAY AND MANY YEARS WAS IN MY OPINION, A HUGE SUCCESS. IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT ALL THE HARD WORK FOR OUR STAFF, OUR VOLUNTEERS AND OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> I AGREE WITH BOTH OF WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND COMMISSIONER ARNOLD SAID.

I LIKE TO THROW SOME PRAISE ON RODEN BRIDGE. EVEN IF IT'S RAINING, THERE'S A POTHOLE OR PROBLEM SOMEWHERE. THEY ARE THERE. THEY ARE THERE QUICK.

I THINK THAT WHOLE AREA IT'S A TOUGH JOB. THEY DON'T EVER WANT ANYONE TO NOTICE THEM. I WANTED TO NOTICE THEM FOR TODAY.

THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. COULDN'T AGREE MORE WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SAID. WE HAD TWO BIG TRAGIC LOSSES THIS WEEK.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THOSE UP. DITTO WHAT COMMISSIONER ARNOLD SAID.

ST. JOHNS DAY WAS AMAZING. VERY MUCH HAD GREAT TIME. THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.

IT WAS AMAZING. I DID WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING VERY STRONGLY. THAT IS REGARDING THE BLUE RIBBON PROJECTS.

WE AS A BOARD I CERTAINLY -- WE'LL HB299 AND SENATE BILL 354. IT SPECIFY THAT PA PROJECT MAYBE LOCATED ON LAND DESIGNATION IF IT MEETS CERTAIN CRITERIA. THIS LEGISLATION WOULD ALLOW BARDSCALE DEVELOPMENT TO BYPASS LOCAL ZONING AND LAND USE RECESSION PUBLIC -- AS WELL AS PUBLIC INPUT. THE LAND IN THE RESERVE AREA, THE PROJECT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE KEPT IN ITS NATURAL STATE. A DEVELOPER CAN BUILD POWER STATION.

THEY CAN BUILD A PICKLEBALL COURT. RETENTION POND AND CALL IT A RESERVE AREA TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. THESE BILLS THREATEN TO REDUCE LOCAL CONTROL AND STRAIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WILL KEEP THE PUBLIC COMPLETELY OUT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. THE VERY PUBLIC ELECTED ALL US TO BE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

TAKES THAT AWAY. WE OPPOSE HB299 AND SB354 AS THEY UNDERMIEN LOCAL PLANNING.

THEY PROMOTE UNCHECKED GROWTH AND PART OF A TREND TO WEAKEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY OVER LAND DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS. THESE BILLS WILL BE DEVASTATING TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHERE SEVERAL LANDOWNERS OWN PARCELS THAT ARE VERY LIKELY TO MEET THIS CRITERIA. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD AT THIS TIME FOR CONSENSUS ON OPPOSING BOTH THESE HB299 AS WELL AS SB354 AT THIS TIME. THEY NEED TO HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR FROM US. WE ARE NOT OKAY WITH THIS. COMMISSIONER MURPHY?

>> YES. JUST TO ADD TO THAT WE WORKED ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT FRONTS TO

CHALLENGE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREEMPT THIS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. NOW, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.

[County Administrator’s Report]

>> I HAVE NO REPORT TODAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

[County Attorney’s Report ]

WHAT ABOUT A REPORT FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? >> THANK YOU, WE JUST HAVE -- THERE WAS A QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING ASKING WHAT THE OPTION WAS T MARINA.

>> IT'S LOCATED ON FRIENDSHIP DRIVE. IT HAD CODE VIOLATIONS THAT WENT OUT FOR LAST WEEK. IT WAS FOUND IN VIOLATION FOR HAVING U-HAULS ON THE PROPERTY AND FOR USING A SHED AS A RESIDENCE WHICH WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODES.

THEY HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO COME IN COMPLIANCE ON BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. WE ALSO REVIEWED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND RECEIVED ALL THE DISPATCH CALLS TO THE PROPERTY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. WHILE WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS A LARGE NUMBER, THERE WERE 57 DISPATCH CALLS TO THAT PROPERTY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. THERE WERE NOT ANY THAT WERE OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO ALCOHOL AND SO, THERE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON THE PROPERTY.

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IT IS ALLOWED. WE COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING THERE.

THERE WERE NOT ANY COMPLAINTS MADE TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ABOUT ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION ON THE PROPERTY. IF SOMEBODY HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION THOSE WILL GO TO TALLAHASSEE. THAT'S WHERE THE PERMITTING IS DONE FOR ALCOHOL.

YOU CAN GOOGLE THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE THE COMPLAINTS. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY ONLY ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN FROM 4:00 P.M. TO 9:00 P.M. ON WEDNESDAYS AND THURSDAYS. NOON TO 9:00 P.M. ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

I COULDN'T FIND ANY OBVIOUS BREAKS IN THE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT I CAN FIND QUICKLY.

I DIDN'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF ANY OF THOSE THINGS. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAY HAVE SOME EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST RECENTLY DID. THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THESE EXISTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THERE'S ALSO VESTING LETTER THAT IS EXPIRED ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ALL OF THE UNITS THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE. THOSE THINGS COULD POTENTIALLY BE LOOKED AT DOWN IN THE FUTURE.

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT AVAILABLE OPTION THAT'S WITHIN THE COUNTY'S AUTHORITY AND LOOKS LIKE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS.

WE ARE LOOKING AT ISSUES AS IT RELATES TO THE STRUCTURE. MADAM CHAIR, NO OTHER REPORT.

UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION MADAM CHAIR.

>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY. GO AHEAD. >> THANKS.

I WANTED TO -- JUST A BEER AND WINE LICENSE ONLY. >> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I HAD TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. I'VE BEEN READING ONLINE THAT THE PANHANDLING THAT WE GAVE

THEM $90,000 TO SETTLE. THAT WAS NOT TAXPAYER MONEY? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ONE? WE STILL HAVE SOME FORM OF A

PANHANDLE LAW? >> THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE CAME TO, WE ACKNOWLEDGED THERE MAYBE PORTIONS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT ARE CONSIDERED LIMITED PUBLIC FORM.

IN THAT PUBLIC FORUM, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE ARE THERE'S A FREE SPEECH ISSUE WITH THE AREAS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE HAVE AGREED NOT TO ENFORCE OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. WE WILL TALK TO EACH OF YOU ABOUT IF AND WHAT TYPE OF AMENDMENTS YOU MAY WANT TO SEE TO THAT. AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS PAID, WE DO HAVE INSURANCE TO COVER US DURING CERTAIN ALLEGATIONS AND THAT

AMOUNT WAS PAID. >> THE SECOND QUESTION I SAW THAT WE BOUGHT A HOUSE IN SUMMER HAVEN FOR $1 MILLION. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. I THINK WE ALWAYS MATCH, RIGHT?

CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE CASE. >> WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PROGRAM, THERE'S A MATCH FOR COUNTY DOLLARS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE EITHER. I THINK THERE WERE ITEMS THAT ARE ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA THAT WERE APPROVED. THOSE APPROVALS ARE BASED ON APPRAISALS.

I HAVEN'T SEEN AN APPRAISAL THAT WAS MILLION DOLLARS. >> I ASSUMED IT WAS 500 OR

MATCHED. >> THERE WAS AN APPRAISAL IN EXCESS OF $1 MILLION.

WE ONLY PAID 50% OF THAT PORTION OR WE WILL GET 50% OF THAT BACK FROM THE STATE ONCE WE FILE FOR

THE GRANT. >> THE TAXPAYER DOESN'T PAY THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT?

>> CORRECT. >> ONLY PAYS HALF. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. KOMANDO, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE NOISE COMPLAINT.

THE ALCOHOL ENFORCEMENT ISSUE MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO NAIL DOWN. WE HAD A NUMBER OF NOISE COMPLAINTS OUT THERE. DO WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO -- MAY WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT ARE

DISPOSAL TO HELP ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE? >> LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IS THEY ARE INVESTIGATED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

WHENEVER THEY HAVE THE TIME AND ABILITY TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE THOSE COMPLAINTS,

OFTENTIMES IT'S NO LONGER OCCURRING. >> THANK YOU, MR. KOMANDO.

PUT THIS UNDER THE CATEGORY FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU REFERRING TO IT WAS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN AS A PEDESTRIAN RIGHT-OF-WAY SAFETY ORDINANCE.

NOT A PANHANDLING ORDINANCE. I'M ANNOYED BY THE FINDINGS OF THE COURT AS IT WAS SPECIFICALLY

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OF THE COURT. THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU, SO MUCH.

AT THIS TIME,

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.