Dec 09, 2025 Land Acquisition and Management Program

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>> ALL RIGHT. HELLO, EVERYONE. GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING OF THE LAMP BOARD. WE GOT A PACKED AGENDA TODAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. AND WE WILL START OUT WITH OUR ROLL CALL. SO AS I GO THROUGH, PLEASE SAY HERE, AND

WE'LL START WITH MR. KASAIDO. >> HERE.

>> MS. KAUFMAN. >> HERE.

>> MR. FLOWERS? >> HERE.

>> MR. MILLER. >> HERE.

>> MS. LAHEREY. >> HERE.

>> AND MS. ROBBINS. >> HERE.

>> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE ALSO HAVE COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HERE WITH US TODAY. HI. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR

[Public Comments]

EACH PERSON ADDRESSING THE BOARD SHALL LIMIT COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. A PERSON SHALL NOT ADDRESS THE BOARD OR ANY MEMBER THEREOF UNLESS SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR TO DO SO. ONCE RECOGNIZED, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHALL ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE. PUBLIC COMMENT SIN TENDED FOR THE BOARD TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEMAND IMMEDIATE RESPONSES FROM THE BOARD OR ITS MEMBERS. BOARD MEMBERS SHALL NOT ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE WITH PERSONS MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT UNLESS THE QUESTION OR COMMENT IS DIRECTED THROUGH THE CHAIR OR MADE BY THE PERMISSION OF THE CHAIR. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. I THINK WE'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE SPEAKER CARD, JENNIFER JENKINS.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

>> WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS TIME. MY NAME IS JENNIFER JENKINS, AND I OWN A HOME RIGHT BEHIND THE PARCEL OF PROPERTY AT NENS CORNER OF RACETRACK ROAD AND DURBIN CREEK ODE AND PLANTATION'S OLDEST NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PARKS. TODAY I'M GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COUNTY, AN OPPORTUNITY WE ALMOST NEVER GET, AND THAT IS THE CHANCE TO PROTECT IRREPLACEABLE LAND THAT BOTH CAPTURES THE PAST AND PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION IN THE FUTURE. THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY LONG-ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IN THE PAST, ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO REZONE THIS LAND WHICH IS LARGE ENOUGH FOR FIVE HOMES, TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, POOL COMPANIES, MULTI-STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN RESEARCHED AND PROPOSED. BUT I'M ASKING YOU FOR HELP TO DO SOMETHING BETTER WITH THIS LAND. WHY? BECAUSE ONCE THE EQUIPMENT ARRIVES AND THE LAND IS CLEARED, ANYTHING STILL ON THIS LAND, HISTORICAL, ECOLOGICAL, WILL BE LOST FOREVER. THERE ARE TWO INTACT 1900S CATTLE DIPS ON THIS LAND.

RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHERE I LIVE, RIGHT BEHIND THERE. THEY ARE FULLY INTACT AND UNDISTURBED FOR NEARLY A CENTURY. IT WILL BE COSTLY TO TAKE THEM OUT AND REMOVE THE ARSENIC FROM THE GROUND, AND THAT'S WHY FIVE HOMES HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT THERE.

HOWEVER, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY COULD LIKELY SHOULDER THE COST OF REMOVING THE ARSENIC. HOWEVER, IT WOULD PRESENT SOME OBSTACLES THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS FOR. WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO INSTEAD IS TO SECURE THE CATTLE DIPS WITH FENCING, ADD INTERPRETIVE SIGNS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS LAND AND CREATE A LIVING CLASSROOM FOR NORTHEAST FLORIDA. WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW PROBABLY IS THAT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS THIS LAND WAS INHABITED BY TIMHEQUA. LATER IT WAS PART OF A GRANT THAT ESTABLISHED A 10,000-ACRE JOINT CREEK PLANTATION. AFTER THAT FAILURE, IT WAS SETTLED AFTER EMANCIPATION BY THE GOLEGUCCI FAMILY WHO PUT DOWN ROOTS, AND THEN IT WAS TURNED INTO AGRICULTURAL LAND, LIVESTOCK FARMING. AND THEN ABANDONED. BUT VERY FEW PLACES LIKE THIS SMALL PARCEL HOLD SO MANY LAYERS OF

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PRESERVING THIS WOULD PROVIDE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY THAT WE OFTEN FORGET THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OCEAN OR WATER. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT IT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR LAMP, HISTORICAL, CULTURAL, ECOLOGICAL AND EDUCATION PRESERVATION. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE THIS IN UPCOMING RANKING, CONFIRM MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE OWNERS' WILLINGNESS TO SELL, KEEP THE NEIGHBORS INFORMED AND PROTECT THIS LAND. IT'S ABOUT MORE THAN CONSERVATION, IT'S ABOUT PUTTING HUMILITY AND HUMBLENESS BACK IN THE LAND OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT'S SO QUICKLY

EVAPORATING. THANK YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU, MS. JENKINS. IF I COULD QUICKLY ASK STAFF WHAT THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE ON PROPERTIES WITH CATTLE DIPPING BATS.

>> CERTAINLY. SO FOR THIS PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR A WILLING SELLER TO APPLY TO THE PROGRAM, AND SO, THE PUBLIC OR LAND MEMBERS COULD CONTACT THE OWNERS TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE LAMP PROGRAM. IT'S UNKNOWN WHETHER THERE ARE CONFIRMED CATTLE DIPPED BATS ON THIS SITE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. THERE ARE A LIST OF CATTLE DIP VATS THAT DEP KEEPS A LIST ON IN OUR COUNTY. SO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, A CONSULTANT WOULD CONFIRM THAT. SO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS TYPICALLY NOT IN THE PRACTICE OF ACQUIRING SITES WITH KNOWN CONTAMINATION AS THIS INCREASES LIABILITY TO THE COUNTY. IT MAY DRASTICALLY INCREASE POTENTIAL CLEANUP COSTS. THAT WAS DISCUSSED. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT EFFECT POTENTIALLY THE PROPERTY'S USES, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD INCLUDE -- YOU'D HAVE TO I.D. WHETHER THERE IS A VAT THERE, POTENTIAL CLEANUP, AND THERE MAY BE A FORM OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROLS OR ENGINEERING CONTROLS. AS FAR AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE SENT THIS THROUGH TO THEIR DEPARTMENT REVIEW. IF THIS IS TURNED IN TO SOME FORM OF PARK OF SORTS, AN INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE SITE PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY PARKS AND NATURAL AREAS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE PUD. THIS IS IN THE JULYINGTON CREEK PLANTATION PUD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE IN SPACE. I THINK THERE'S ONE NOR ZOOM-IN HERE. THERE WE GO. YOU SEE THAT'S WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS?

>> THIS IS ON THE FLOOR OF THE MASTER SITE FILE. I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME, BUT IT DOES HAVE A MASTER SITE FILE NUMBER, AND THERE IS A CATTLE VAT ON IT. I BELIEVE IT'S OWNED BY JOY REED

PLANTATION. NO? OKAY. >> TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IS THE CURRENT OWN OR PREVIOUS OWNERS DONE ANY SOIL TESTING?

>> THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES. NEIGHBORHOODS -- NEIGHBORS RAISED OPPOSITION TO A PROPOSED MULTI-STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN WORKED ALL THE WAY UP TO THE POINT OF ASKING FOR ZONING CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO WHATEVER THAT IS FOR A MULTI-STORY OFFICE BUILDING. AND IN THAT WORKUP, THEY DID SOME ASSESSMENT AND DETERMINED THAT SIX FEET DEEP BY 40 FEET WIDE WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED, TAKEN TO THE LANDFILL IN ORDER FOR HOUSES TO BE BUILT THERE. BUT THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE TO GO TWO OR THREE FEET DOWN TO MAKE THE LAND -- BASICALLY PUT A PARKING LOT OVER TOP OF IT WHICH WE DON'T LOVE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT LEECHING WATER WILL DO TO MY BACK YARD WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THAT. BUT, YES, THEY DID THAT. IT'S, HOWEVER, NOT ESCAPED THE CATTLE VATS THAT THEY FOUND IN THAT STUDY. SO IT COULD BE PROTECTED FROM PEOPLE ACCESSING IT. IT'S ALREADY PROTECTED BY THE JOINT AND CREEK MONUMENTS THAT GO AROUND THE EAST AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POTENTIAL LIABILITY, THE SIZE OF THIS PROPERTY PROBABLY WOULD NOT SCORE VERY HIGHLY IN OUR PROCESS, BUT IF ANYONE FEELS DIFFERENTLY AND WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT HAVING A STAFF OR BOARD MEMBER RECOMMEND

-- >> WELL, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE

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SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE, I THINK, A HISTORIC ADDITION AND AS APPLICATIONS WERE WRITTEN FOR FCT AND OTHER GRANT PROPERTIES, THE CATTLE VATS WERE ADDED TO THOSE APPLICATIONS AS A NEARBY HISTORIC SITE BECAUSE THEY -- IN THE SCORING, THEY GENERALLY COUNT EVERYTHING WITHIN A QUARTER MILE. SO JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT A REALLY HIGHLY RANKED PROPERTY THAT THAT ONE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN EDGE OUT

TO. >> OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THIS BOARD AND HAVE STAFF RETAIL

IT TO THE LAND OWNER? >> I WILL PROPOSE THAT MOTION.

THANK YOU. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> OKAY. DISCUSSION. >> JUST BY WAY OF PROCESS, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE HAVE AN APPLICATION MADE, WE DO A FIRST CUT AT IT, AND THEN IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP, WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING A COUPLE OF HOOPS HERE.

>> I BELIEVE OUR COMMISSIONER MADE AN APPLICATION, ACTUALLY.

CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST FILLED OUT A FORM. HE SENT ME A COPY OF IT.

>> I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. , BUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY AT THIS POINT WE WOULD WANT TO GET DIRECTION, JUST TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN IT, AND THEY WILL FILL OUT AN APPLICATION IF THERE IS.

>> GOT IT. I UNDERSTAND. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN ASKED, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. OKAY.

>> GOT A QUESTION FOR MS. JENKINS. IS THERE A REASON WHY THE PROPERTY OWNER ISN'T HERE TODAY OR HASN'T SUBMITTED AN

APPLICATION TODAY? >> I'M NOT SURE. I HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS WHO ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM, AND THEY ARE -- HE IS AMENABLE TO THE PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE WHY HE ISN'T HERE TODAY. MAYBE IT DIDN'T FIT HIS SCHEDULE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOT INCLUDED IN JOINT CREEK PLANTATION LIKELY BECAUSE OF THE CATTLE VATS. IT WENT TO TAX SALE. THIS PROPERTY HAS JUST FALLEN THROUGH THE CRACKS TO OWNERS WHO PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS ON IT AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DEVELOP IT. THAT BEING SAID, THE CURRENT OWNER DOES KNOW, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY HE ISN'T HERE TODAY, BUT HE'LL

PROBABLY FIND OUT, COME BACK. >> BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> SO MY NAME IS JOE MCARARNEY 155 BLACKBERRY LANE. I DO LIVE IN JULYINGTON CREEK. I DID ATTEND THE MEETINGS TWO YEARS AGO. CHRIS XI IS THE OWNER OF HERITAGE GROUP, GAVE A GOOD PRESENTATION, AS MS. JENKINS HAS OUTLINED HERE. RESIDENTIAL ON THE ONE HAND, FIVE HOMES BUT WITH SOME REMEDIATION AND OFFICE BUILDING WHERE THE CONTAMINATED SOIL WOULD BE COVERED WITH PARKING. SO OF INTEREST, THE JEWELLINGTON CREEK PLANTATION HAS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED A BRICK FENCE ACROSS MR. XI'S PROPERTY.

I THINK THE PROPOSAL FROM CHRIS CAUGHT EVERYBODY BY SURPRISE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IT JUST SEEMED TO ALWAYS BE GREEN, ALWAYS BE FULL OF TREES AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO I CERTAINLY DEFER TO, YOU KNOW, THE EVALUATION PROCESS AND CONCERNS AND MITIGATION BUT CONNECTEDNESS, IF YOU WILL, TO A HISTORIC PRACTICE HERE IN THE COUNTY. SO I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN AND SAY, HEY, I'M A JULYINGTON CREEK RESIDENT. I ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS. I KNOW WHAT MS. JENKINS IS TALKING

ABOUT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR COMMENT? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO VOTE TO RECOMMEND THIS PROPERTY FOR STAFF TO REACH OUT TO THE LAND OWNER TO POTENTIALLY PROVIDE AN APPLICATION TO THE LAMP BOARD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.

I'M A NAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GET BACK TO OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE

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[Approval of meeting minutes]

DO WE HAVE ANY EDITS? >> I, ACTUALLY, DID THROUGH THE

CHAIR. >> YES.

>> SO I WENT BACK, AND I LISTENED TO THE COMMENT ON THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL AND THE ITEMS WE WERE PARTNERING WITH, THE MEETING MINUTES REFLECT WE'RE PARTNERING WITH ACTION ITEM NUMBER 5. THE CONSENSUS FOR NUMBER 5 AS WELL AS 23.1 WHICH HAS NOW BECOME 24.1.

>> OKAY. AND REMIND ME, WAS THAT IN THE BOARD MEMBER REPORT

SECTION? >> THAT WAS IN STAFF REPORT.

>> STAFF REPORT OKAY. AND REMIND ME ON THAT CORRECTION THEN, IF

YOU CAN RESTATE THAT. >> YES. WE HAD CONSENSUS TO PARTNER ON ACTION ITEM NUMBER 5, AS WELL AS 23.1 WHICH HAS NOW

BECOME 24.1. >> OKAY. OTHER EDITS WE NEED TO ADDRESS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED?

>> A MOTION. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? OKAY. HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE WHO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS

[Approval of current agenda]

AMENDED, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. >> OPPOSED, NAY. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF OUR CURRENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A LOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY NEEDED CHANGES? HOPEFULLY NO ADDITIONS. OKAY. SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN? DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, MS. ROBBINS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF

[1. William Bartram Scenic Highway presentation.]

>> WE HAVE A SPEAKER TODAY FROM THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY GROUP. DID STAFF WANT TO PROVIDE ANY CONTEXT, OTHERWISE WE CAN ROLL INTO THE PRESENTATION?

>> THIS WAS JUST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, MR. MCARARNEY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FROM THE GROUP THAT WISHES TO PROVIDE SOME INTERACTIONS, POTENTIAL, BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS HERE, INCLUDING LAMP. AND DOI HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP. THERE WE GO. SO MY NAME IS JOE MCARARNEY , YES, I'M IN JULYINGTON CREEK, 1155 BLACKBERRY LANE, BUT I AM ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY WHICH IS ONE OF 27 SCENIC BYWAYS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR PIECE OF HEAVEN, BOTH FROM A SCENIC AND HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE.

LET ME WORK THIS HERE. AND, RYAN, DO I HAVE 10 MINUTES? I'LL BE PROMPT. OKAY. SO WE DID HAVE A PROCLAMATION ISSUED TO US IN JUNE BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION. INCLUDED IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROCLAMATION WAS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCENIC FROM OCEAN'S SHORE TO RIVERS EDGE. HOW WONDERFUL THAT IS I'M NOT A POWER USER FOR POWERPOINT OR I WOULD HAVE HIGHLIGHTED SCENIC A1A AND SCENIC STATE ROUTE 13, BUT I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE AT. AND IF I HAD THOUGHT MORE ABOUT IT, I WOULD HAVE INCLUDED SCENIC COUNTY ROAD 13 BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO DESIGNATED AS SCENIC HIGHWAY, AND WE HAVE A WONDERFUL AGENDA TWO AND AGENDA THREE PERSONS HERE. HOW INTERESTING THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE SCENIC HIGHWAY HERE TODAY. SO, AGAIN, OUR STATE ROUTE 13 IS FROM JULYINGTON CREEK 17 MILES SOUTH TO WARD'S CREEK THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 13 AND 16, 16 THEN DIVIDES AND MAKES ITS WAY TOWARD THE OUTLETS AND ST. AUGUSTINE. SO IN 2005, THIS WAS DESIGNATED AS A SCENIC HIGHWAY. IN 2010, WITH THE COUNTY, THE SCENIC HIGHWAY RECEIVED $250,000, ACTUALLY

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YOU KNOW, I'M FAMILIAR WITH LAMP, FAMILIAR WITH YOUR GOALS, FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS WHERE, YOU KNOW, A WILLING SELLER SUBMITS AN APPLICATION, AND IT'S CONSIDERED AND EVALUATED BY YOU. I READ YOUR GOALS, AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE OUR GOALS, I WILL SAY. WE ARE IDENTICAL, ONE FOR ONE THAT WAY. SO MY HOPE IS -- AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED IS THAT THE COUNTY IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVISING THE GREENWAY, BLUEWAYS AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN, THAT'S IMPORTANT, VERY IMPORTANT. AND I HOPE THAT YOU ARE CONSULTED WITH INPUT AND IDEAS FOR THAT. I HOPE WE ARE AS WELL. I'LL REACH OUT TO RYAN AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT AND REACH OUT TO PARKS AND REC WITH OUR IDEAS BECAUSE OUR MASTER PLAN DOES IDENTIFY IMPORTANT TRAILS AND BLUEWAYS. AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ONE FOR ONE, JUST IDENTICAL IN OUR PURPOSES AND MISSIONS TO WHAT THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO DO. I WILL SAY, IN MY VARIOUS DRIVES AROUND UP AND DOWN THE SCENIC HIGHWAY, I DID COME ACROSS A FOR SALE SIGN RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE 13 AND 16, WHERE 16 MAKES THAT SPLIT ON MILLS CREEK ROAD AND HEADS UP TO ST. AUGUSTINE. IN READING FURTHER, THE REALTOR INFORMATION, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOR SALE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, 10 ACRES, RYAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER HERE, BUT HALF OF IT IS WETLANDS AND ACTUALLY COMPLETES, IF YOU WILL, COMPLETES THE WARD'S CREEK HOLDINGS CONSERVATION AREA JUST TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE LINE. I TOOK THIS OFF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE WARD'S CREEK DOES COME THROUGH. I DO KNOW THAT THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAD

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BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT I THINK TOGETHER WE CAN LOOK AT, WHETHER IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ME OR OTHERS OR ANYONE WHO SEES A FOR SALE SIGN AND KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC AND HISTORIC HIGHWAY WOULD BE A FIT. I'LL CERTAINLY CONTACT RYAN. I JUST TALKED TO RYAN THIS MORNING -- NOT THIS MORNING, JUST BEFORE THE MEETING, AND I'M PERSONALLY GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER AND REALTOR AND TAKE AN APPLICATION AND SIT DOWN OVER COFFEE AND TALK MORE ABOUT IT. BUT THESE ARE THE POSSIBILITIES AND THE POTENTIAL, AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M HERE, AS THE CHAIR OF THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY , I DID NOT WANT YOU TO FORGET ABOUT US, I WANTED YOU TO KNOW ABOUT US, I WANTED YOU TO APPRECIATE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS COUNTY HAVING TWO SCENIC HIGHWAYS AND THE GREAT POTENTIALS THAT I THINK COME WITH ALL ENTITIES OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT INPUTTING AND LOOKING AND WORKING HARD TOWARD IMPROVING THE ASSETS THAT IT HAS, PROTECTING THE ASSETS THAT IT HAS AND PROMOTING THOSE ASSETS THROUGH TOURISM AND OTHER WAYS. SO WE HAVE GREAT SHARED GOALS, AND I'M HERE TODAY. I HOPE TO BE BACK AT FUTURE MEETINGS. I HOPE I HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO SHARE, AND CERTAINLY ULTIMATELY I HOPE THAT SOME PROPERTIES THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT YOU WILL EVALUATE AND CONSIDER ALSO TO BE IMPORTANT, AND SOMEHOW, SOME WAY WE'LL MAKE THAT LIST. AND IF NOT RISE TO THE TOP, BE ON THAT LIST AND BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SO I THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU AT A LATER TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. MCARARNEY , I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND. FIRST, I WANTED TO SAY HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN REACH OUT TO LAND OWNERS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY TO THE LAMP PROGRAM. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A WILLING SELLER PROGRAM, SO WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE WILLING SELLERS AND THOSE APPLICATIONS, SUPER IMPORTANT. YOU MENTIONED YOUR MASTER PLAN, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE HAVE BEEN PROPERTIES OR AREAS, I GUESS SPECIFIC PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED THAT YOUR GROUP SEES AS A PRIORITY FOR CONSERVATION, IF THAT'S THE THING WE COULD ALSO

LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE? >> SO THE MASTER PLAN WAS PRETTY MUCH BIG PICTURE, AND I CAN TELL YOU, YOU CAN GO TO OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT WEBSITE, YOU CAN 2 TO SPECIAL PROJECTS, AND THEY HAVE TAKEN OUR MASTER PLAN WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL COFFEE TABLE DOCUMENT, AND THEY NEEDED TO CREATE FOUR DOCUMENTS BECAUSE, FROM A MEMORY STANDPOINT, IT'S HUGE. BUT YOU CAN GO TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, GO TO SPECIAL PROJECTS, SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE, GO TO ARCHIVES, CLICK, AND THERE IS THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC AND HISTORIC MASTER PLAN. IT'S A FANTASTIC DOCUMENT. I'M AN ARTIST AND ARCHITECT. I LOVE THE COLORS, BUT I LOVE THE DETAIL AND THE INFORMATION IN IT AS WELL. SO A LONG-WINDED ANSWER TO SAY NO, THERE ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL AND SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, BUT I DID PRESENT THE BIG IDEAS PLAN ONE THROUGH EIGHT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BIGGER IDEAS TODAY. WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT, WE NEED TO WORK TO IMPLEMENT THOSE, BUT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE BIG IDEA IDEAS. SO A SITUATION LIKE THE WARD'S CREEK INTERSECTION COMES UP, AND, OH, MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, THAT FITS. THAT FITS THE MASTER PLAN. SO, YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO RANDY RINGHAIVER AND DAVID HUDSON ABOUT THEIR PLAN, THEIR VISION FOR THE SCENIC HIGHWAY, THAT'S A PART OF THE STATE ROUTE 13. WE'RE HERE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY AND TO SUPPORT EVERYBODY INSOFAR AS IT MATCHES OUR MISSION TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE

A QUESTION? SURE. >> HAVE YA'LL LOOKED AT THE ESTABLISHMENT CATTY CORNER TO THE BARBECUE PLACE ON 13K -- OR

16A AND 13? >> THAT WIDEMAN'S --

>> NO. THE BAR. >> THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

>> NORTHWEST CORNER, YEAH, BECAUSE IT DOES -- IT'S

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ADJACENT TO THE SHAN'S PIER. >> EXACTLY. AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A LARGE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY A SINGLE OWNER THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY IN CONCERT WITH PARKS AND RECREATION TO DEVELOP THINKING FOR BEST USE, LONG-TERM PUBLIC BEST USE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. THAT WOULD BE

FANTASTIC. >> I'VE STOPPED A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND IT'S ONLY BEEN THE GUY SELLING FRUIT ON THE CORNER, AND SO I HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONTACT WITH THE OWNER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY NEAT THING FOR YA'LL TO

PURSUE. >> AND WE'RE NOT SHY ABOUT REACHING OUT, TRYING TO CONTACT PEOPLE. I CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, ME FOR ONE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE TO HAVE A BARTRAM BOTANICAL GARDEN. I KNOW WE HAVE A ST. JOHN'S' BOTANICAL GARDEN WHICH IS WONDERFUL SOUTH OF HASTINGS. BUT WILLIAM BARTRAM, THE EXPLORER, HE'S AMERICA'S FIRST NATURALIST, SO THAT'S THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. JAMES AUTO BAWN READ HIS BOOK AND PROBABLY CAT LIN BECAUSE IT INCLUDES PLANTS AND ANIMALS AND NATIVE AMERICANS. PLEASE REEF OUT, REACH TO OUT ME ON OUR FACEBOOK WITH THOUGHTS AND IDEAS

AS WELL. >> JUST BRIEFLY I WANT TO THANK MR. MCARARNEY FOR HIS PRESENTATION AND FOR THE WORK OF THE BOARD THAT YOU WORK ON. I'VE LIVED WITHIN A STONE'S THROW OF STATE ROAD 13 FOR THE LAST 37 YEARS, SO I APPRECIATE IT, AND I GREATLY ENJOY IT. AND I THINK WHAT THE CHAIR TOLD YOU IS EXACTLY RIGHT, AND I THINK YOU'VE REITERATED TO BE EYES AND EARS AND TO IDENTIFY PARCELS THAT ARE CRITICAL FOR PRESERVATION IS WHAT WE NEED. AND I THINK YOU KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S -- I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE HEADED IN.

>> GOOD, GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. FLOWERS. I'LL BE IN TOUCH.

OKAY. >> OUR SCORING MATRIX, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY SCORE THINGS FOR THE BLUEWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT WE SHOULD GIVE EXTRA POINTS TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALONG ONE OF THE TWO SCENIC -- AND ALSO PERHAPS THE COUNTY SCENIC TRAIL SWOEL, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD?

>> JUST A THOUGHT. >> WE DO HAVE THAT CAPACITY FOR

BONUS POINTS. >> YEAH, FOR BONUS POINTS.

>> BUT JUST SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PULL IT UP WITH BONUS

POINTS. >> REALLY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S A DESIGNATION NOT THAT DISSIMILAR TO --

>> YEAH. >> -- YOU KNOW, BLUEWAYS OR -- SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER TIME TO TALK ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU FOR THOSE THOUGHTS. >> YES, YES, YES. ANY OTHER

THOUGHTS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> I'M AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY AT ANY TIME, SO ON OUR FACEBOOK YOU CAN CONTACT ME. THANK YOU SO

MUCH. >> WONDERFUL. WE APPRECIATE THAT PRESENTATION VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO -- OH. WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THAT ITEM?

>> YOU DID HAVE A SPEAKER. >> DEAN CAMPBELL. OH. I THOUGHT YOU WERE HERE ABOUT THE SCENIC HIGHWAY. IT SAYS SCENIC HIGHWAY.

[2. LAMP 2025-04: Review and potential ranking of 10690 County Road 13 North for LAMP acquisition.]

>> OKAY. THE NEXT ONE. WE'LL GETCHA. OKAY. SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, 10690, COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO

STAFF. >> OKAY. I DID WANT TO OFFICIALLY WELCOME MR. MARIO CAYCEDO , OUR NEW DISTRICT GO LAMP MEMBER. THERE ARE SEATS FOR 2 AND 3 THAT WILL REMAIN VACANT UNTIL FILLED. BUT I WANTED TO SAY WELCOME. SO ITEM NUMBER 2 IS FOR 1690 COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH. WE CALL IT THE ARNOLD HOUSE.

STEPHEN GLIDDEN IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, ALSO STANDING UP HERE.

IT'S A 2.8-ACRE PROPERTY, AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, AND BRING UP SOME MAPS HERE TO SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS IN SPACE AND TIME. AND IT'S A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS ALONG THE ST.

JOHN'S RIVER, AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH AND COUNTY ROAD 208. THE VISIONS ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE ACQUISITION OF A MUSEUM, THE ARNOLD HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA1890, AND WE SUBMITTED SOME HISTORIC BACKGROUND IMAGES. THOSE WERE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, AND SO IF WE GO IN DEPARTMENT REVIEWS, ENVIRONMENTAL, THERE ARE SOME LARGE TREES ON SITE, COULD BE SPECIMEN SIZED, JUST BY LOOKING AT THE LAY OF THE LAND THERE. THERE'S SOME CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, AND SO A 25-FOOT UPLAND BUFFER APPLIES ALONG THAT AREA. AGAIN, THAT'S ALONG THE WESTERN FRINGE OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SITE. IT IS PART OF THE FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE. WE DID PROVIDE

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COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH AND COUNTY ROAD 208 ARE BOTH CLASSIFIED AT ROADWAYS. ZONED OPEN RURAL. ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S RECORDS, THE PROPERTY IS 2.38 ACRES IN SIZE AND IS IMPROVED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME POOL, DETACHED BARN AND GARAGE STRUCTURE. THE SITE APPEARS TO BE THE SAME CONFIGURATION SINCE BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT CODES AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED A LOT OF RECORD THAT IS EXEMPT FROM MEETING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND FINALLY REAL ESTATE DPARTMENT MADE A NOTE HERE, THE PARCEL HAS A MARKET VALUE AS DETERMINED BY THE APPRAISER THAT EXCEEDS $FIFNGDZ, THEREBY REQUIRING TWO APPRAISALS TO BE COMMISSIONED BY THE COUNTY. AND SO MR. GLIDDEN IS HERE. HE'S THE PROPERTY OWNER, TO PROVIDE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD FOR HIS APPLICATION.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR. AM I ALLOWED 10 MINUTES, IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING HERE? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS STEVE GLIDDEN. I LIVE AT 10690 COUNTY ROAD 19 NORTH WHICH IS THE TOPIC OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION. THIS 13,000-YEAR TIMELINE OF PICOLATA 'S FOR THE R FORGOTTEN PAST REVEALS THE EARLIEST STRANDS OF OUR COUNTRY'S DNA. SINCE STARTING DOWN THE PATH THAT WE'LL EXPLORE HERE TODAY, WE HAVE MET PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DEEP UNDERSTANDING AND APPRECIATION OF THE IMPORTANT ROLE PICOLATA HAS PLAYED IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY. THEY HAVE SHARED STORIES THAT INSPIRE, FRAGMENTS THAT THEY HAVE FOUND AND THEIR STRONG DESIRE TO PRESERVE PICOLATA'S HISTORY. THIS SHOWS OUR FRONT YARD IN 1870 WITH A STEAM BOAT LANDING, A STAGECOACH TERMINAL AND THE PICOLATA HOUSE HOTEL MENT THESE RARE PHOTOS SHOW THE STEAM BOAT LANDING IN ITS HEYDAY. IN 1874, JOHN MELTON ARMSTRONG MOVED TO PICOLATATO 3WEU8D HIS HOUSE AND JOIN THE CITRUS GOLD RUSH OF NORTH FLORIDA. C.H. ARNOLD AND HIS WIFE, MISS ETHEL, BOUGHT THAT HOUSE IN 1919 TO GO INTO THE NAVAL STORES BUSINESS. THEN LATER BEGAN RANCHING AND FARMING. THEIR SON, PAUL ARNOLD, AND HIS WIFE JACKIE, ADVANCED HEALTHY PORT PRODUCTION WITH A STATE-OF-THE-ART HOG BARN SO INNOVATIVE THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA'S AGO DEPARTMENT HAD TO COME SEE IT FOR THEMSELVES. WHEN JACKIE LOST HER HUSBAND TO A HEART ATTACK IN 1971, SHE WORKED SEVEN JOBS TO SUPPORT HER FAMILY AND HOLD ONTO THE FAMILY FARM. WITH THE HELP OF MEN LIKE FRED GREEN AND ELLIOT MCGUIRE, JACKIE WAS ABLE TO LEASE OUR FARMLAND TO THE TIMBER INDUSTRY. THIS LEASE CONTINUES TO THIS DAY UNDER THE MANAGEMNT OF MY WIFE, HER SISTER AND TWO BROTHERS.

SEEN HERE IS CINDY ARNOLD GLIDDEN, THE ADOPTED DAUGHTER OF THE ADOPTED SON OF C.H. ARNOLD AND MY WIFE OF 47 YEARS STANDING IN FRONT OF OUR HOME WHICH IS THE HOUSE ARMSTRONG BUILT. WE FIND OURSELVES AGING OUT OF THIS HISTORIC HOME AND PLAN TO SELL IT. WE WOULD RATHER IT BECOME A PICOLATA HISTORY MUSEUM AND PARK THAN ANOTHER TEARDOWN FOR ANOTHER MANSION OR GAS STATION.

WHEN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY CREATED THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OVERLAY, OUR HOUSE WAS GIVEN THE SAME RURAL CENTER DISTRICT DESIGNATION AS WAS BUDDY BOYS WHICH IS OUR LOCAL GAS STATION AND COUNTRY STORE. THIS PAVED WAIT FOR US TO APPLY FOR SIMILAR LAND USE AMENDMENT IF WE SO CHOOSE, BUT, INSTEAD, WE WOULD RATHER FOCUS ON OTHER ELEMENTS OF THIS PLAN. GOAL A2

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PERFECT. IMAGINE THE ARMSTRONG ARNOLD HOUSE INSPIRED BY BLUE SPRINGS STATE PARK OR THE ALPINE GROVE PARK WHICH SHARES THE CITRUS BOOM-ERA HISTORY EXPERIENCED BY ARMSTRONG BUT LACKS THE RICH ARCHIVES OF PICOLATA'S MILITARY AND RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND RECORDED CENTURIES EARLIER. IMAGINE USING THE -- I'M SORRY, IMAGINE USING THE AMAZING MANDARIN MUSEUM FOR SHARING CENTURIES OF PICOLATA HISTORY. BARTRAM SAID, TEACH ME AND I MAY REMEMBER. INVOLVE ME, AND I LEARN. THAT FRIEND WAS BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. HIGHLIGHTED HERE ARE THE GOALS OF LAMP WE BELIEVE WILL BE REACHED BY RECOMMENDING OUR PROPERTY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS AN OPPORTUNITY NOT TO BE MISSED.

THESE SLIDES SHOW A FEW OF THE SUPPORT EMAILS I HAVE RECEIVED FROM OUR NEIGHBORS. SOME OF THEM BEHIND ME. SOME ARE LONG RESIDENTS -- ARE LIFELONG RESIDENTS AND OTHERS ARE NEWCOMERS. BUT THE COMMON THREAD SEEN IN THESE EMAILS IS THEIR LOVE OF PICOLATA. WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD. WE NOW HUMBLY ASK YOU FOR YOURS. CINDY AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. GLIDDEN. THANK YOU TO YOU AND OUR FAMILY. I MT THE FIRST PROPERTY THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO THE LAMP BOARD.

>> AGAIN. >> SO WE THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, SEEKING OUT CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION OPTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YOUR PATIENCE IS NOT UNLIMITED, BUT GREAT PRESENTATION TODAY. WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT TO THE BOARD. I GUESS THIS ONE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE, THIS PROPERTY AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 WE'RE BEING ASKED TO BOTH -- YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE A PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 ALL IN ONE MEETING TODAY. SO IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE.

NOTHING? >> SO THROUGH THE CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, DOI HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE NOTE FROM PARKS AND REG, SPECIFICALLY STATING THAT ALPINE GROVES PARK ESSENTIALLY MIRRORS THE HISTORY, THE NEED FOR THE HISTORY. OF COURSE WE KNOW OUR GOALS AS A BOARD ARE NOT LIMITED TO CONSERVATION. WE HAVE FIVE SETS OF GOALS. A LOT OF TIMES CONSERVATION IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SEEMS TO OUTWEIGH THAT.

BUT CONSERVING HISTORY IS ALSO A HUGE PART OF OUR GOALS AS A LAND BOARD. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY, ALPINE GROVES IS ABOUT 20 MILES NORTH OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS. SO AS A HISTORY TEACHER, AS SOMEBODY THAT'S STUDIED HISTORY, SOMEBODY THAT STUDIES PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT YOU'RE -- BY MAKING THIS A HISTORIC RESOURCE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A MUSEUM, OF COURSE, WHEN YOU TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT, BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ALPINE GROVES AS A RESOURCE, AS A MUSEUM THAT IT IT COMPLETELY FULFILLS THE NEED FOR THE COUNTY. BUT ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT IS IT OFFERS MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH OF THE HISTORY AND VIEW OF THE HISTORY, JUST FROM MY STUDENTS FROM MY SCHOOL, IT'S GOING TO TAKE 25 MINUTES TO ARRIVE AT THIS PROPERTY, WHEREAS, ALPINE GROVES IS ABOUT AN HOUR DRIVE. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO CONSIDER.

>> THAT'S GREAT CONTEXT. THANK YOU. YES.

>> SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY, HAVE DRIVEN BY IT MY WHOLE TIME LIVING HERE. ALSO -- AND YOU WENT VERY QUICKLY OVER IT, BUT THE EARTHEN FORT, IF YOU BACK OUT TO THE SLIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, JUST BELOW ON 208 AND TO THE BACK A

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I'M ALSO VERY INVOLVED WITH MANDARIN MUSEUM AND WALTER JONES PARK. BOTH ALPINE AND WALLET YOUER JONES WE REFER TO AS MY OTHER CHILDREN. I WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN DEVELOPING BOTH OF THEM AND HAVE HAD MY EYE ON THIS FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

LAUGHTER ] >> SO I WOULD SAY FROM TERMS OF GRANT SCORING, IT'S OFF THE CHARTS, ON BEING ABLE TO SCORE WELL FOR GRANT REIMBURSEMENTS AND ALSO SOME PRESERVATION TYPE FUNDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO IT'S A REALLY AWESOME, UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, AND WHILE NORMALLY I REALLY PUT A LOT OF WEIGHT ON WHAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT SAYS BECAUSE IT'LL BE ULTIMATELY THEM DOING IT, I THINK WITH THE VOLUNTEER MOTIVATION THAT WE HAVE IN THIS AREA FOR THIS KIND OF FACILITY, I THINK IT'S

DEFINITELY A DOABLE THING. >> THANK YOU. THROUGH THE CHAIR.

>> SURE. >> JUST TO FOLLOW UP WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT THE FORTS, ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE QUESTION IS ARE THERE TWO FORTS IN PICOLATAOR THREE, OKAY? AND THAT REALLY IS A QUESTION OF -- DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK AND WHEN YOU FIND IT -- MY WIFE USED TO CLIMB ON WHAT THEY CALL THE INDIAN MOUNDS AS CHILDREN, AND LATER TURNS OUT THAT, NO,

THAT'S THE EARTH WORKS. >> THAT'S THE EARTH WORKS,

YEAH. >> AND THAT WAS PUT UP BY THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS AFTER THE WAR OF 1812 TO PROTECT THE ST.

JOHN'S RIVER AND OUR COUNTRY. AS TO THE NEGATIVE SIDE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE PARKS AND REC, I FORGIVE THEM, OKAY?

LAUGHTER ] >> BECAUSE THEY DON'TKNOW. AND THE REASON I CAN DO SO IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW. NOW, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT STANDING BEHIND ME ARE A COUPLE OF GUYS THAT WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY BLOWN WE AWAY. I HOPE THAT THEY'LL GET ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE SAME FOR YOU ABOUT THE HISTORY THAT THEY TAUGHT ME ABOUT THIS AREA. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT TO THEM.

>> THANK YOU, MR. GLIDDEN. SURE, MR. MILLER.

>> YEAH. WITH NO DISRESPECT TO PARKS AND REC, I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THEIR ANALYSIS, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE CONTEMPORARY TIME WISE MORE OR LESS, THE SUBJECT MATTER WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT. I'M LOOKING AT YOU JUST BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOU. I KNOW YOU DIDN'T WRITE THAT. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S -- YEAH. I DISAGREE. LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>> OKAY. WELL, IF I'VE GOT CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE RANKING SECTION. OKAY. SO WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. I KNOW WE GOT A COUPLE

SPEAKER CARDS. >> ONE DEAN CAMPBELL. SO YOU WANT TO TALK ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? DEAN BARTRAM CAMPBELL.

>> DEAN CAMPBELL, 1316 HOGCREST DWRIEV IN ST. JOHN'S. HOPEFULLY I WILL NOT BE BLOWING YOU AWAY. I DIDN'T COME TO BLOW ANYBODY AWAY. DESPITE WHAT STEVE SAID, I'M NOT ARMED OR ANYTHING. I AM HERE, ACTUALLY, IN MY CAPACITY AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BAR TRAM TRAIL SOCIETY OF FLORIDA, AND WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS CENTERED HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA ALONG THE BARTRAM TRAIL.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BARTRAM TRAIL, IT'S NOT JUST THE SCENIC HIGHWAY, BUT A 2,300-MILE LONG TRAIL THROUGHOUT

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AND HE THEN WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT, BAR TRAM'S TRAVELS WHICH MADE HIM QUITE FAMOUS WORLDWIDE. BUT WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT, THE BAR TRAM TRAIL SOCIETYOF FLORIDA IS IN HELPING TO DEVELOP THE BARTRAM TRAIL IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, AND WE DO THAT BY HELPING TO FACILITATE, IDENTIFY THE VARIOUS STRING OF PEARLS WHERE WILLIAM BARTRAM VISITED DURING HIS EXPLORATIONS IN FLORIDA AND THEN ESTABLISHING SIGNAGE AND TRAIL MARKERS ALONG THAT ROUTE TO HELP PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME AND VISIT FLORIDA AND TO FOLLOW IN WILLIAM BARTRAM'S FOOTSTEPS AND IN HIS WAKE. AND SO BECAUSE THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR THIS PARCEL IS RIGHT ALONG THAT PATH, IT MAKES IT KIND OF A GOAL FOR ANY BARTRAM-ITE WHO MIGHT BE FOLLOWING IN BARTRAM'S FOOTSTEPS. THE THING THAT MAKES THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL REALLY IMPORTANT PREDATES THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE HOUSE, BUT, RATHER, IS THE FORT PICOLATA. THE LOCATION OF THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE THE NORTH END OF RIGHT THERE, THE SHORTEST DISTANCE OF THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER ON THE EADS AND ST. FRANCIS ON THE NORTH SHORE. BUT THE THING THAT REALLY MAKES THAT IMPORTANT IS IN -- DURING THE BEGINNING OF THE BRITISH PERIOD IN THE 1765-ISH, WILLIAM BARTRAM AND JOHN BARTRAM ATTENDED AN INDIAN CONGRESS AT FORT PICOLATA. THAT CONGRESS ESTABLISHED THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE ENGLISH AND THE NATIVE AMERICANS AT THAT TIME WHICH MADE IT A REALLY IMPORTANT CONGRESS. AND IT'S SOMETHING -- IT'S THE HISTORY THAT'S REALLY OVERLOOKED IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY BECAUSE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS SO ASSOCIATED AND IDENTIFIED WITH THAT SPANISH PERIOD. AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS, THEN THIS PARCEL AND A MUSEUM THERE, THAT THIS IS IDEALLY SUITED FOR A MUSEUM, NOT ONLY FOR THE HOUSE ITSELF IN THAT PERIOD BUT ALSO FOR FORT PICOLATAAND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. SO I'M JUST VOICING MY SUPPORT FOR THIS AND A MUSEUM THERE. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENT? MR. MCARARNEY .

>> ALL RIGHT. I AM STILL JOE MCARARNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE.

I GUESS I GET AROUND A LOT. I'VE MET STEVE, I'VE MET GENE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND, REALLY, I AM SORRY THAT I FOCUSED ON STATE ROUTE 13 AND DIDN'T INCLUDE COUNTY ROAD 13. AS I SAID EARLIER, OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY DESIGNATED BOTH OF THOSE AS SCENIC HIGHWAYS, AND I LOVE DEAN'S REFERENCE TO A STRING OF PEARLS. THAT REALLY APPEALS TO ME WHEN I THINK ABOUT JULINGTONCREEK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SPUD'S AND AT LEAST HASTINGS. OUR COUNTY IS SO UNIQUE. YOU KNOW, WHEN THE COMMISSION ISSUES A PROCLAMATION, SCENIC OCEANS FROM SHORE TO RIVER'S EDGE, THERE IS NO OTHER COUNTY OF 67 IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA LIKE ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. AND WHAT A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY THIS IS TO THINK ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER PEARL TO THAT STRING OF PEARLS, JUST FANTASTIC. I DID TALK TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, OH, GOSH, MAYBE SIX WEEKS AGO NOW AT THIS POINT, DID SAY, HEY, I HAVE HEARD THAT THE GLIDDEN FAMILY IS OFFERING PROPERTY HERE AT OR NEAR FORT PICOLATA , AND CHRISTIAN'S EYES GOT VERY BIG.

HE WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT, TOOK NOTES AND SAID THAT HE WANTED TO CONTACT THE STATE, STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. SO AT LEAST WITH MR. WHITEHURST THERE IS SOME AWARENESS OF THAT, AND I THINK THE EXCITEMENT WOULD GROW.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO THE SOUTH ALONG THE COUNTY ROAD SCENIC HIGHWAY , WE LOVE THEM ALL AND WHAT A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY THIS IS. SO, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DIG DEEP IN YOUR EVALUATION AND YOUR THINKING,

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>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE COME UP.

>> HI, I'M PAUL BLEANG, I LIVE AT 3930 TERRACE IN ST.

AUGUSTINE. AND I AGREE WITH THE OBSERVATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ALPINE GROVES PARK. PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY SIMILARITY BETWEEN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THE GLIDDEN'S LOCATION IS THE STRUCTURES, AND THEY WERE ALL FROM THE LATE 1800S AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY SIMILARITY THAT I SEE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IN PICOLATAGOES BACK A LOT FURTHER THAN THAT. THERE'S A LOT MORE HISTORY THERE THAT HAS SEEMED TO BE FORGOTTEN. WE KNOW THAT BACK IN PREHISTORIC TIMES, 5,000 B.C., THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE. BACK DURING THE MISSION ERA OF THE SPANISH, THEY KEPT VERY GOOD RECORDS, THE SPANISH DID, THEY WERE GOOD AT THAT. THERE WAS A MISSION SAN DIEGO DELACKA BUILT IN THE AREA.

THEN IN 1657 THERE WAS A MISSION SAN DIEGO. FOLLOWING THAT, THE FIRST FORT IN PICOLATA WAS BUILT IN 1703, MADE OF WOOD AND TIMBERS. MOVING ON TO 1702 TO 1708, THE BRITISH TRIED TO DESTROY THE MISSION SYSTEM THAT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED IN FLORIDA.

FORT PZ UPO, THE CENTRAL FORT PICOLATA WAS REPLACED WITH BLOCK, THIS IS THE SISTER RIVER RIGHT OVER ON THE WESTERN SHORE.

1739 TO 1730, OGLETHORP DESTROYS PUPO AND BURNS PICOLATA. THEN IN 1755 THEY BUILT A NEW FORT, AND THEY ABANDONED THE FORT ACROSS THE RIVER ON THE WESTERN BANK. FORT PICOLATAAND THE OTHER BUILDINGS WERE BURNED DURING THE PATRIOTS REBELLION OF 1812. AND THEN THE UNION FORCES OCCUPIED PICOLATA FROM 1861 TO 1865. IN THE LATE 1800S WITH THE PICOLATA WITH FEDERAL POINT AND A LOT OF OTHER PLACES ALONG THE RIVER, GREENCO WERE DESTINATIONS FOR THE PADDLE WHEEL BOAT. BUT WITH THE RAIL LINE, THAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO COY AND THROUGHOUT OTHER PARTS OF FLORIDA. PICOLATA SOMEWHAT LOST ITS SIGNIFICANCE, AND A LOT OF THE HISTORY THERE, I THINK, HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN. I USED TO LIVE IN PICOLATA, AND WHEN SOMEBODY WOULD ASK ME WHERE. I'D SAY IN PICOLATA. THEY WOULD SAY WHERE'S THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT DOESN'T KNOW THE HISTORY. IF YOU WANT TO DIG IN TO THE DATES, I GOT THIS FROM A PHD DISSERTATION THAT WAS DONE BY CESEAL SASSTRA BACK IN NINE.

IT'S MORE THAN YOU'D WANT TO KNOW ABOUT PICOLATA.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ENJOYING THE HISTORY LESSON TODAY. I THINK I SAW SOMEBODY ELSE STANDING UP. YES. PLEASE COME

UP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BRIAN GRADY, I RESIDE AT 11360 COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH IN ST.

AUGUSTINE, ABOUT A THROWN'S THROW AND A HALF FROM STEVE AND CINDY. CINDY IS MY COUSIN. I'M RELATED TO THEM ON THREE DIFFERENT BRANCHES, ELLIOT MCGUIRE, WHO STEVE MENTIONED, WAS MY GRANDFATHER. THE ARNOLD WAS THE SAME FAMILY LINE THAT MY MOM'S BIOLOGICAL CAME FROM, AND WE ARE THE PATTIER CLAN HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, BEEN HERE FOR 14 GENERATIONS, LIVED THERE WITH STEVE FOR FOUR YEARS. SOME OF THE MORE FEM ORAL THINGS I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY FALL INTO THE SCORING SYSTEM, THE GENERAL GUIDELINES, IS THE IMPACT ON THE GEM AREA. IT WAS MENTIONED BY PARKS AND REC, THERE WAS LIMITED PARKING ON THE RIVER'S EDGE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. I ACTUALLY SEE THAT BEING A BENEFIT. IT'LL LIMIT THE IMPACT ON THAT AREA, ALLOW THAT AREA TO BE PRESERVED FOR LONGER AND FOR MORE GENERATIONS TO BE ABLE TO USE. IT WOULD BE SIMPLY BYPASSED BY PUTTING IN A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK, A WARNING SIGN WHICH WOULD IMPROVE THE OVERALL SAFETY OF THAT INTERSECTION WHICH IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE D.O.T. RECORDS OF THAT INTERSECTION, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY DANGEROUS WITH A HIGH ACCIDENT RATE. SO I THINK SOME OF THE FEM ORALS OF THIS MIGHT NOT BE IN YOUR PURVIEW, BUT CAN'T HELP BUT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. THE PROPERTY ITSELF OFTENTIMES AFTER STORMS OR PROLONGED POWER OUTAGES, THERE'S LARGE AMOUNTS OF TREES DOWN WHICH LEAVE US ISOLATED, NOT ALLOWING COUNTY ROAD CREWS AND POWER CREWS TO GET TO THE AREA TO RESTORE SERVICES. BY HAVING THIS IN THE COUNTY OWNERSHIP WOULD ALLOW A STAGING AREA FOR RESCUE, MAINTENANCE,

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BUT I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT. THERE'S A BIG HISTORY IN PICOLATA CROSSING, COMMERCE UP TO JACKSONVILLE, THE COMMERCE OF THE ENTIRE NORTHERN PART OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA PASSED THROUGH THAT AREA, AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR HISTORY THAT IS BOTH CONTEMPORARY WITH ALPINE GROVES BUT NOT REDUNDANT.

THANK YOU. YA'LL HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON.

>> FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE CAN SAY THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST PEOPLE WE'VE HAD COME OUT FOR A PROJECT TO EXPRESS SUPPORT WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING, REALLY GLAD THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE. SO I'LL TURN IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE RANKING PORTION. ANY POINTS OF CLARIFICATION? OKAY. THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE RANKING, AND I WILL START

DOWN WITH MS. ROBBINS. >> I HAD TWO QUESTION MARKS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE PURCHASE COST, AND DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LISTED ON A STATE OR FEDERAL ACQUISITION PRIORITY LIST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN OUR BLUEWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU KNOW, RYAN? >> IT'S NOT IN THE BLUEWAY.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S CLOSE BY, BUT IT'S NOT

IN IT. >> SO I'VE GOT A 73.

>> I HAD 51. >> 60.

>> 62. >> 65.

>> 65. >> 62.

>> WOW! >> WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT FOR THE

CALCULATION. >> OKAY. I GOT 62.5, 63 POINTS.

>> OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.

>> WE GONNA PICK UP THE SHEETS LATER?

>> OH, YEAH. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PASS THOSE DOWN. JUST A REMINDER TO THE BOARD MEMBERS TO WRITE YOUR NAMES ON THE SHEETS. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.

[3. LAMP 2025-05: Review and potential ranking of 2425 CR 13 South for LAMP acquisition.]

>> OKAY. SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 3 FOR 2425 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH.

WE CALL IT THE ADAMS PROPERTY. AND THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2025 BY MIKE AND CAROLE ADAMS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S A 94.4-ACRE PROPERTY, AND AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH A RESIDENCE AND DETACHED BARN, ALONG WITH OUTDOOR AMENITIES SUCH AS A PICNIC TABLE, FIRE CIRCLE AND SEATING, TRAILS AND BOARDWALK AND PIER ALONG THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER FOR PASSIVE RECREATION AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. SOME DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW FOR THIS, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT STATED BASED ON PRELIMINARY EVALUATION, THE PROPERTY DEMONSTRATES STRONG ALIGNMENT WITH LAMP OBJECTIVES, BALANCING CONSERVATION WITH COMMUNITY RECREATION ACCESS, ACQUISITION IS RECOMMENDED IF ACCESS FEASIBILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE CONDITION AND LONG-TERM MANAGEMENT FUNDING CAN BE CONFIRMED. THE COUNTY SHOULD FURTHER ASSESS SITE CONDITIONS, CONNECTIVITY POTENTIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS THROUGH A DUE DILIGENCE STUDY AND MANAGEMENT PLAN BEFORE FINAL ACQUISITION. AND THEN THERE WAS AN OPEN QUESTION HERE, DOES THE OWNER PLAN TO VACATE THE PROPERTY IF PURCHASED. I DID --

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THE SECLUDED PROPERTY WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1989 AS A PRIVATE NATURAL RESOURCE PRESERVE AND HOMESTEAD FOR THE ADAMS FAMILY.

THE PROPERTY CONTAINS A DIVERSE ARRAY OF NORTH FLORIDA ECOSYSTEMS AND IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE CONSERVATION AREA. THE JACKS PORT CONSERVATION AREA AND WATER MANAGEMENT DEEP CREEK CONSERVATION IN ELKTON. THE ST.

JOHN'S' RIVER BLUEWAY AND IS CONTIGUOUS CONSERVATION CORRIDOR IN THAT AREA. IT HAS LONG LEAF PINE AND WETLAND FOREST RESTORATION EFFORTS WITH FOREST MANAGEMENT STEWARDSHIP SINCE 1995 WITH PRESCRIBED BURNING. IT HAS -- IT WAS A GRANT RECIPIENT FOR PARTNERSHIP FOR BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE AND ALSO PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP CONSERVATION PRACTICES. IT HAS A QUARTER-MILE ALL-WEATHER ACCESS LIME ROCK ENTRY AND EXIT ROAD WITH A LOCKING CABLE GATE. THERE IS A TWO-STORY HOMESTOED AT 269 SQUARE FOOT IN TOTAL, INDOOR SPACES 232 SQUARE FEET. THE OUTDOOR PORCH IS 1,500 SQUARE FEET. THERE'S A WRAP AROUND COVERED POMP WITH PORCH WITH A 24 BY 24 FEET PORTICO, OUTDOOR CLASSROOM FOR COVERED AREA FOR EVENTS, PICNIC TABLE, AS STATED BEFORE, AND SEATING FOR 20 TO 25 PEOPLE. THERE'S AN OUTDOOR FIREPLACE AND GRILL, TWO-STORY BARN, AN ARTISAN WELL AND A POND STOCKED WITH FISH AND ACCESS DOCK. AND THERE'S ALSO PRIMITIVE CAMPSITE WITH A FIRE CIRCLE. AND SO MR. ADAMS IS HERE. THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH HIS WIFE HERE, CAROLE ADAMS, AND THEY'RE HERE TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD. SO

I'LL GIVE IT OFF TO THEM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WAS COMMENTING TO SOME OF YOU, IT'S NICE BEING ON THIS SIDE OF THE PODIUM FOR A CHANGE. I'M MIKE ADAMS. YOU SEE OUR ADDRESS

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GIVES YOU AN IDEA, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE MAP THAT RYAN WAS SHOWING YOU AS WELL. HERE'S OUR OUTLINE. THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO GO OVER THIS AFTERNOON IN MY BRIEF PRESENTATION, TALK ABOUT THE NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES, EDUCATIONAL AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. RYAN KIND OF HIT IT IN HIS SUMMARY THERE, AND INFRASTRUCTURE SO YOU CAN HAVE A VISUAL ON WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE. THIS PLACE ISN'T CALLED LA FLORITA FOR NOTHING. WE HAVE FLOWERS OUT THERE YEAR ROUND. AND YOU SEE ON THE LEFT THERE, A REALLY INTERESTING PLANT. A LOT OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS, THE HOODED PICTURE PLANT, REALLY COOL PLANT, PART OF THE EDUCATIONAL TOUR THAT WE GIVE OUT THERE MANY TIMES A YEAR. THE PURPLE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, SWAMP IRIS COMES OUT IN MARCH, BEAUTIFUL. AND THE SWAMP HI BUSINESS CUSS, THE RED ONE THERE, AND THE PINE BUD WHICH WE SEE PERIODICALLY DURING THE SEASON. MOVE OVER TO THE ANIMAL SIDE, ALL THESE ANIMALS OCCUR ON THE PLACE. SO IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT WILDLIFE HABITAT. I MENTIONED THE GOPHER TORTOISE EARLIER. IT'S A KEYSTONE SPECIES, AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S AN INDICATOR OF THE OVERALL ECOLOGICAL HEALTH OF THE SYSTEM, SO WHEN YOU HAVE TORTOISES, YOU HAVE A HEALTHY SYSTEM. SO JUST THIS PAST SUMMER, I DID MY ANNUAL GOPHER TORTOISE SURVEY AND IDENTIFIED 12 ACTIVE TORTOISE BURROWS IN OUR UPLANDS. THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF YOU MANAGE IT, THEY WILL COME. WE HAVE BLACK BEAR THAT MOVED THROUGH. OF COURSE THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, THE RIVER OTTER, RESIDENT OF THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER, OUR TURKEY POPULATION IS DOING WELL, AND, OF COURSE, BALD EAGLES. WE HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN BIRDS OF PEACH CARE THAT RESIDE THERE OR MOVE THROUGH THAT AREA. SO IT'S QUITE OF SIGNIFICANT WILDLIFE HABITAT. RYAN HAD MENTIONED OUR STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM. SINCE 1995, WE'VE BEEN MANAGING THE FOREST WITH GUIDELINES AND SUPPORT FROM STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES. THE BIG THING IS I HAVE A 1940 AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE BACK OF THE FIELD GUIDE. AND THAT'S MY BLUEPRINT FOR WHERE THE LONG LEAF PINE RESTORATION IS GOING TO OCCUR. AND BASICALLY IT'S IN ALL THE UPLANDS OF THE PROPERTY. BUT I'M RESTORING MORE THAN THE UPLANDS. I'M ALSO RESTORING WETLANDS AND PROTECTING WETLANDS AS WELL. BEING ADJACENT TOWARDS THE RIVER, EVERYTHING RUNS WEST TOWARDS THE RIVER. IT WAS A TIMBER OPERATION BEFORE RVETIONZ AND TYPICAL OF TIMBER OPERATIONS IS FILLING IN THE WETLANDS WITH THE SLASH YOU GET OFF OF EACH HARVEST, AND SO THAT WAS OCCURRING THERE, AND HE WAS REALLY METHODICAL ON REMOVING THAT SLASH OUT OF THE WETLANDS AND ACTUALLY INCREASING MY WETLANDS. I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO INCREASE THEIR WETLANDS. THAT'S WHAT THE RIVERFRONT LOOKS LIKE. AND VERY IMPORTANT TO P■ROTECT THAT SHORELINE, PROTECT THOSE WETLANDS FOR WATER QUALITY ISSUES, FOR FILTRATION, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON THE CANOPY OF THE RIVER SHORELINE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. ONE OF OUR MAIN LAND MANAGEMENT TOOLS, PROBABLY THE PRIMARY ONE, IS PRESCRIBED BURNING. SOME OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT THIS. IT'S AN AMAZING TOOL, AND I USED TO GET IN TROUBLE SETTING FIRES AS A BOY, BUT NOW I ENJOY DOING IT, AND IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

SO I TRY TO DO IT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR. AND THE SLIDE -- THE

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BILLY DISCOVERED IT. FEW MORE CULTURAL RESOURCE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ACTUALLY OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY. THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT THERE IS A COPY OF A 1917 SOIL SURVEY THAT THE U.S.

DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL DID. AND YOU SEE WHAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME, AND THE BLACK SQUARES THERE ARE STRUCTURES, AND IT WAS A TURPENTINE CAMP. SO IT WAS RIGHT ABOUT WHERE HIGHWAY 13 COMES THROUGH, AND YOU SEE THAT LITTLE CROSS HATCH LINE COMING TOWARDS THE CREEK THERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE -- LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PICTURE, THAT WAS A NARROW GAUGE RAIL WHERE THE TURPENTINE AND LUMBER PRODUCTS WERE TAKEN TO A ATRIBUTARY CALLED MCCULLOUGH CREEK. AND IN THE CENTER SLIDE THERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S HISTORIC PILINGS WHICH IS WHERE THE RIVER BOATS WOULD COME IN. AND THEN THE GREEN TRIANGLES YOU SEE THERE ON THE CENTER SLIDE ARE KNOWN CAT-FACE PINE TREES WHICH IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S IN THE RIGHT HAND PICTURE ON THE PROPERTY WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF OUR VISIT STOPS WHEN WE GIVE TOURS. EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, AMAZING FOR EDUCATION. WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF GROUPS UP THERE, YOUNG ONES, OLD ONES, HANDICAP ONES, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM. AND FROM A RECREATIONAL STANDPOINT, WITH A FEW MODIFICATIONS, ADA MODIFICATIONS, THE PLACE CAN BE A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE TO RECREATE AND PARTAKE IN EDUCATION AND SEE THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER RIGHT THERE. I THINK IN THE 36 YEARS I DID A ROUGH CALCULATION, AND I THINK I ESTIMATED ABOUT 1,800 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE VISITING OVER THE 36 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN CHARGE. MORE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. IT WAS MENTIONED IN ANOTHER PRESENTATION WITH MR. GLIDDEN, THE BOATING OPPORTUNITIES ARE AMAZING. THAT'S AN EXISTING DOCK THAT WE HAVE THERE, GOES OUT THERE 350 FEET. KAYAKING, CANOEING, FISHING, SWIMMING.

IT'S REALLY AN OUTDOOR CLASSROOM, THAT PAVILION OUT ON THE END. AND THAT'S JUST A SHOT OF THE FIELD GUIDE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. TOO MUCH TO READ. I KNOW YOU JUST HAVE LOOKED AT IT TODAY. IT MAY BE TOUGH TO SCORE, BUT TAKE IT HOME AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. , AND THEN THE POSTER WE HAD DONE A FEW YEARS BACK ON THE LEFT THERE KIND OF CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF THE PLACE. INFRASTRUCTURE, HERE'S THE QUARTER MILE LIME ROCK ROAD THAT COMES IN RIGHT OFF OF WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC HIGHWAY.

IT COULD EASILY BE MODIFIED TO MEET COUNTY ROAD STANDARDS GOING IN. AND WE TALK ABOUT SIGNS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS SLIDE IS TO LET YOU KNOW THE PARTNERS THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED OVER THAT 36-YEAR PROCESS. FEDERAL AGENCIES, U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE FLORIDA, WILD TURKEY FEDERATION AND THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. INFRASTRUCTURE, HERE'S THE BUILDING. THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE COUNTY COULD FIND SOME USE FOR

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AMAZING WILDLIFE RESOURCES THERE. AND THAT'S AT SUNSET LOOKING OUT TO THE WEST. RYAN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> THANKS, MIKE. THAT'S GREAT.

SO I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING FOR SOME TIME TO IDENTIFY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, STATE PROGRAMS. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS EFFORT TO GET

THE PROPERTY CONSERVED? >> WELL, OF COURSE, I HAVE BEEN -- OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR 36 YEARS, AS RYAN SAID, A PRIVATE CONSERVATION AREA, SO WE'VE BEEN CONSERVING RESOURCES THERE. BUT, OH, THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, WHILE I WAS STILL ON THE BOARD, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HOW AM I GOING TO DO THIS, WHAT DO I WANT TO DO? WE WERE THINKING CONSERVATION EASEMENT. WE'VE ALSO APPLIED THROUGH THE RURAL AND FAMILY LANDS PROGRAM FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS AND HASN'T SCORED VERY HIGHLY. SHORTY, YOU MIGHT KNOW, I THINK MY SCORE IS 69. AND I FEEL LIKE THE RURAL AND FAMILY LANDS, THEY LIKE BIG PARCELS, THEY LIKE THOUSANDS OF ACRES, AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CONNECTED TO THOUSANDS OF ACRES, OUR ACTUAL OWNERSHIP IS 94.4. SO I LOOK AT IT IS -- YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE INNOVATIVE, AND WE'VE TALKED, AND IT MAY NOT BE A WHOLE COUNTY PROJECT, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT MAY BE INVOLVED, WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER AGENCIES COULD BE INVOLVED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I THINK -- YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS MANY TIMES, I'M A BELIEVER IN CREATING WIN-WIN SITUATIONS. SO I WANT EVERYBODY TO WIN ON THIS

ONE. >> GREAT. THANKS. QUESTIONS?

MIKE, SHORTY? >> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR CONSERVATION EASEMENT TYPE SITUATION OR AN ACQUISITION TYPE

SITUATION OR -- >> I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT FEE

SIMPLE ACQUISITION. >> UH-HUH. AND WOULD YOU GUYS

CONTINUE LIVING THERE? >> NO.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION. YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN TAKING TOURS AND PRIING PEOPLE THROUGH THE PROPERTY. HOW DOES ONE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? I MEAN, ARE YOU DOING IT THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, IS IT FIELD TRIPS? HOW ARE PEOPLE COMING OUT?

>> REALLY, THERE'S ALL OF THE ABOVE. WE HAVE WEBSITE AND FACEBOOK PAGES AND CONTACT INFORMATION IS ON THE INTERNET.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SCHEDULING A VISIT. AND WE CAN TAILOR IT. ONE OF MY FAVORITES IS A BIRDING HIKE WITH THIRD GRADERS. I THINK I'VE BEEN HAVING THEM OUT THERE ABOUT 16 YEARS. THE SAME SCHOOL, THEY KEEP COMING BACK. IT'S SO MUCH FUN. BUT ELDER GROUPS, YOUNG ONES, OLDER ONES. I CAN TAILOR IT. I'M A BIOLOGIST AND CONSERVATIONIST BY BACKGROUND,

SO IT'S REAL EASY FOR ME. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WAS WONDERING HOW DURING STORMS THAT THAT DOCK THAT WE SEE IN THAT SLIDE HAS FARED OVER THE YEARS. AND HOW OLD IS IT FOR ONE THING, AND HOW HAS IT DONE DURING STORMS?

>> SURE, SURE. WE DID THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION IN 2001, AND THE STORMS OF '16 AND '17 IMPACTED US, AND WE'VE HAD TO REBUILD IT A COUPLE TIMES, NOT THE WHOLE THING, BITS AND PIECES. AND THIS BOARDWALK USUALLY DOES PRETTY WELL BECAUSE IT'S FURTHER UP INTO THE SWAMP WHERE IT'S MORE PROTECTED FROM WAVE ACTION AND WIND SPEED. ND THEN, RYAN, IF YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THE OTHER -- NOT RYAN, MEGAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE

DOCK SHOT AT THE END. >> YES, ALSO --

>> WE ELEVATED THAT -- WE ELEVATED THAT TWO FEET FROM THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION FROM 2021, AND WE CHANGED A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGY WITH FASTENERS AND SCREWS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. IT'S BASICALLY HIGHLY REINFORCED.

>> UH-HUH. AND THOSE BOARDWALK TRAILS, HAVE THOSE SUSTAINED ANY

DAMAGE FROM FLOODING OR -- >> THERE'S A TRAIL MAP IN THE FIELD GUIDE. YOU'LL SEE -- IF YOU GO TOWARDS THE BACK THERE, THERE'S A TRAIL MAP BACK THERE. AND ALL THOSE TRAILS ARE OPEN, AND I MOW THOSE TRAILS. AND THEY ALSO SERVE FIRE BREAKS. BUT ANYBODY THAT KNOWS PINE FLATWOODS KNOWS THEY FLOOD

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IF WE GET A SIX-INCH RAIN. >> YES.

>> OR A NOR'EASTER, YES. >> THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED.

>> IT'S NOTHING NEW FOR NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WE GOT CONSENSUS, WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN TO THE RANKING PORTION. OKAY. GREAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT ANY CARDS FOR THIS ONE. OKAY. ANYONE WISHING TO PROVIDE A COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE COME ON UP.

>> SECOND THREE MINUTES OF MY SIX-MINUTE PRESENTATION. AS I MENTIONED, THE PURPOSE OF THE BARTRAM TRAIL SOCIETY OF FLORIDA IS TO FA SILL TIGHT WILLIAM BAR TRAM AND DEVELOP THE BAR TRAM TRAIL IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. SO FAR WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH NASSAU COUNTY, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, CLAY COUNTY, DUVAL COUNTY AND VOLUSIA COUNTY IN ESTABLISHING THOSE TRAILS. EACH OF THOSE COUNTIES IS AT A DIFFERENT STAGE IN THAT TRAIL DEVELOPMENT WITH PUT NUMBER COUNTY BEING THE FARTHEST ALONG OF ALL. AFTER WE ESTABLISHED THE BARTRAM TRAIL IN PUTNAM COUNTY, I THINK WE FINISHED IN ABOUT 2014, SOON AFTER THAT, THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE CONTACTED US AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO BECOME A NATIONAL RECREATION TRAIL WHICH WE DID, AND AFTER THAT PROCESS WE WERE, IN FACT, AWARDED THE DESIGNATION AS A NATIONAL RECREATION TRAIL.

THAT'S THE BARTRAM TRAIL IN PUTNAM COUNTY. OUR GOAL IS TO DO A SIMILAR THING IN EACH OF THE COUNTIES ALONG THE BARTRAM TRAIL. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOK FOR, THAT IS THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE IN DESIGNATING THIS AS A NATIONAL RECREATION TRAIL IS THEY LOOK FOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. MIKE HAS JUST SHOWN YOU A NUMBER OF RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE SUIT AN FOR THIS PROPERTY. I'D LIKE TO JUST SQUATATE ONE, AND THAT IS THAT THE BARTRAM TRAIL IN ST. JOHN'S WOINT WOULD BE PRIMARILY A WATER TRAIL ALONG THE SHORELINE OF THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WHICH IS WHAT BARTRAM TRAVELED WHEN HE WAS DOING HIS EXPLORATIONS IN FLORIDA. THIS PROPERTY IS IDEALLY SITUATED AS IT COMES IN TO -- OUT OF PUTNAM COUNTY AND ENTERS IN TO ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. IT HAS THE RIVER ACCESS. ONE OF THE THINGS IT ALSO HAS GOING FOR IT IS THAT KAYAKERS WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO ACTUALLY DO SOME OVERNIGHTING IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED INTO A PARK, AND MIKE HAD ALREADY MENTIONED IT DOES HAVE A CAMPSITE AND A FIRE RING. KAYAKERS THAT ARE THROUGH PADDLING ON THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER ARE LOOKING FOR THIS KIND OF RESOURCE, AND IT'S SEVERE LILACKING FROM PUTNAM COUNTY NORTH, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND YOU TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS IS THAT RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PADDLERS TO HAVE AN OVERNIGHT STOP BUT ALSO IN THE HIKING TRAILS AND THE PADDLING TRAILS AND THE BIKING, IT COULD ALSO BE DONE THERE WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS VERY ATTRACTIVE AS WE PURSUE THAT NATIONAL RECREATION TRAIL DESIGNATION FOR THE BARTRAM TRAIL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

THIS WOULD BE ONE PARCEL THAT THEY WOULD -- OR ONE ASSET THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IN THAT DESIGNATION AS WELL.

>> DEAN, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD?

>> I'M SORRY. DEAN CAMPBELL, 1716 HOG CREST DRIVE, ST.

JOHN'S, FLORIDA. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY. >> MAY I SPEAK AGAIN?

>> JOE MCARARNEY. 1105 BLACKBERRY LANE. I HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH DEAN AND MIKE AT THE HOUSE. I WILL PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT MY WIFE AND I SPENT SIX MONTHS IN YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK WORKING THERE, WE'RE BOTH RETIRED. HOW FANTASTIC TO SEE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THE TIMBER STRUCTURES, JUST THE DIVERSITY OF WILDLIFE, AND, OF COURSE, JUST THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE PLACE. AND I HAVE REALLY ONE WORD TO SAY ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION, AND THAT WORD IS WOW. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. I'M THINKING NATIONAL PARK, AND THEN, OF COURSE, WHEN DEAN TALKS ABOUT A NATIONAL PARK TRAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT TIES IN. OH, MY GOSH. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE -- I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS PRESENTATION, SO INCREDIBLE. I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I MET WITH PARKS AND RECREATION TO

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I'M JUST SORRY THAT YOUR EVALUATION SHEET HAS TO STOP AT 100. SHOULD BE HIGHER. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE RANKING?

MR. FLOWERS. >> NUMBER ONE, THANKS TO MIKE FOR JUST WHAT HE'S DONE WITH THIS PIECE OF LAND. IT IS AN OUTSTANDING PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. IT RINGS PRETTY MUCH EVERY BELL THAT WE HAVE BOTH AS A STANDALONE PROPERTY, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT IT'S CONNECTED TO LANDS UNDER PRESERVATION OR LANDS IN PUBLIC OWNERSHIP, EXPANDS THAT'S JUST A PLUS,

PLUS, PLUS. THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> COMPLETELY AGREE. MR. MILLER.

>> AND DEFINITELY HELP CAN BE DIFFICULT TO GO AFTER FUNDING.

YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE IF FLORIDA COMMUNITIES TRUST WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS -- I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE EASY TO FIND MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF COST, EITHER REIMBURSEMENT OR PERHAPS EVEN FULL COST. WE'LL SEE.

>> JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND, AS MR. FLOWERS SAID, THE AREA THAT ALREADY HAS A LOT OF CONSERVATION IN PLACE. I PERSONALLY DON'T LIVE TOO FAR FROM HERE TOO, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AND THE AREA.

BUT SEEING THAT IT'S ADDED TO MCCULLOUGH CREEK AND THE JACKS PORT PROPERTY AND PROVIDING A CONTINUOUS CONSERVATION REGION I THINK IS AN INCREDIBLE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD TO THE LAND

BOARD. >> ALL RIGHT. SURE, GO AHEAD.

>> AND WHAT IS THE MARKET VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY? DID I READ IT WRONG? BECAUSE I WOULD WANT TO SAY WHY IS IT SO LOW?

>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT WAS $748,885, THAT'S STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE, AND THAT'S JUST THE MARKET VALUE THEY PROVIDE. OF COURSE IT'S ALL APPRAISAL

DRIVEN. >> YES.

>> SO MOST LIKELY WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT.

>> I UNDERSTAND. BUT IT JUST TO ME SEEMS LIKE THAT'S VERY LOW FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THIS. THANK1 YOU.

>> I THINK WE WOULD EXPECT THE APPRAISAL TO COME BACK QUITE A BIT. OKAY. FINAL CALL FOR COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO ON TO THE RANKING THEN, AND WE'LL START AGAIN DOWN AT THE

END. MS. ROBBINS. >> 74.

>> 65. >> 68.

>> 78. >> 80.

>> 67. >> 74.

>> AND THE SCORE FOR THAT ONE IS 72 AS AN AVERAGE.

[4. Confirm Meeting Dates for 2026: March 9th, June 9th, September 9th, December 8th]

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.

SO WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER 4, CONFIRMATION OF THE 2026LAMP

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>> YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2026 MEETING DATES MARCH 10TH, JUNE 9TH AND SEPTEMBER AND DECEMBER 8TH,

2026. >> THANK YOU, MR. CAYCEDO . DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DATE? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE DATES AS WRITTEN PLEASE SAY AYE.

[5. Officer Selection]

>> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. THESE ARE THE DATES, MARK YOUR CALENDARS. NOW ON TO OFFICER SELECTION. OKAY. THE TIME HAS COME. I KNOW I MENTIONED THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT I'M ALSO JUST GOING TO STATE IT AGAIN, BUT I WILL NOT BE ACCEPTING A NOMINATION FOR ANOTHER YEAR AS CHAIR. THIS IS MY THIRD YEAR. IT'S BEEN GREAT. IT'S BEEN FUN MOST OF THE TIME. NO. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I'M GRATEFUL TO THE BOARD FOR TRUSTING ME IN THIS ROLE FOR THESE THREE YEARS.

OUR STAFF HAS BEEN FANTASTIC. BUT FOR THOSE -- BOTH FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE AND BEHIND THE SCENES. THINGS JUST CONTINUE TO IMPROVE, EVEN WITH THIS RECENT SET OF DOCUMENTS WE RECEIVED FOR THIS MEETING, PROCESS, PROCEDURE, EVERYTHING JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER. BUT I THINK IT'S HEALTHY TO HAVE CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP, GET NEW VOICES, PERSPECTIVES, LEADERSHIP STYLES.

SO WITH THAT, NEXT MEETING I WILL BE IN A DIFFERENT SEAT.

OKAY. JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY ON HOW THIS WORKS, THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR SHALL BE ELECTED ONE AT A TIME, BEGINNING WITH THE CHAIR. THE VOTE WILL BE STATED ORALLY ON THE RECORD FOR EACH OFFICE, AND THE NOMINATION SERVES AS A MOTION. THE NOMINATION MUST BE SECONDED. THE DIFFERENT NAMES SHALL BE REPEATED BY THE OUTGOING OR ACTING CHAIR AS THEY ARE MOVED OR SECONDED. THE VOTE SHALL BE TAKEN AFTER THE CHAIR DECLARES THE NOMINATIONS ARE CLOSED AND BE TAKEN ON EACH NOMINEE IN WHICH THEY WERE NOMINATED UNTIL ONE IS ELECTED BY MAJORITY. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE

NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE

WAYNE FLOWERS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION IF MR. FLOWERS IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OTHER NOMINATIONS. I KNOW. IT'S TOO EASY. OKAY. SO WE SHALL CLOSE THE NOMINATION PROCESS. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN MR. FLOWERS' ABILITY TO LEAD THIS BOARD. I'VE KNOWN HIM BEFORE WE WERE ON THIS BOARD, AND WE WORKED TOGETHER, AND HE IS ONE OF THE MOST CALMING PRESENCE OUT THERE. AND -- YEAH. I JUST THINK HE WOULD DO A FANTASTIC JOB, SO FULL ENDORSEMENT HERE. OKAY. WERE YOU READY TO VOTE? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MR. FLOWERS BEING

ELECTED AS OUR CHAIR FOR 2026, >> ANY OPPOSED SAY NAY. OF COURSE IT CARRIES. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

WILL MOVE ON TO VICE-CHAIR. SAME PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT

UP FOR NOMINATIONS. >> A QUESTION. J.B., WOULD YOU

BE WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN? >> I WOULD, BUT I WOULD HOPE THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WOULD BE NEW AS WELL. BUT I WOULD -- OTHERWISE, YES, I'D BE HAPPY TO.

>> ANYBODY WANT TO JOB.

VICE-CHAIR JUST YET. I KNOW HOW THIS VOLUNTEERING STUFF WORKS.

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>> J.B. IS DOING A GOOD JOB. YOU KNOW, IF HE WANTS TO DO IT

AGAIN, ALL FOR IT. >> IF THAT'S A NOMINATION, I'LL

SECOND IT. >> OKAY. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANYBODY ELSE STEPPING UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE NOMINATION IS CLOSED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ELECTING J.B. MILLER TO THE VICE CHAIR POSITION OF 2026,

>> OPPOSED SAY NAY. GARY IS GOING TO BE BACK IN THE SEAT.

YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, EVERYBODY.

[6. 2025 Property Recommendation List]

TURN IT TO STAFF. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE TOP FIVE THAT ARE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN EARLY MARCH TYPICALLY AFTER IT GETS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD. AND SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM, MAYBE EVEN THREE OF THEM THAT I HAVE LISTED AS -- FOR REMOVAL FROM THE CURRENT LIST, AND I CAN START WITH THOSE. THE MATANZIS BUFFER/SHORES BOULEVARD, DELTONA PROPERTY. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DID RESCIND THEIR APPLICATION, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW OF A NEW SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLAN SET, SO THAT'S, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S FALLING OFF THE LIST BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER A WILLING SELLER. NUMBER TWO ON THAT LIST IS -- ACTUALLY, THE NUMBER FOUR PROPERTY, HAWKINS ISLAND, THAT WILL BE COMING OFF BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ACQUIRED BY THE COUNTY. STAFF DID VISIT AND POST SIGNAGE ON THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE DID -- WE'RE HAPPY TO NEAT THAT THERE WERE ONLY A FEW INVASIVES ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT ACTUALLY LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, I MEAN, COMPARED TO WHAT IT IS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE NEW BRAZILIAN PEPPERS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IN THE MARSH AREAS. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A CLEAN PROPERTY. SO I DID ADD SOME PHOTOS FROM YOUR MESSAGE THAT I SENT OUT ABOUT THAT VISIT. THE NEXT ONE IS 8805A1A SOUTH. THAT WAS CONSIDERED AS AN ASTERISK PROPERTY ON THE LIST.

THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THAT PROPERTY STALLED IN 2024, AND THERE WAS ALSO A PRY APPLICATION BY THE OWNER FOR A NEW COMMERCIAL USE ON THE PROPERTY. AND SO THEREFORE WE SUGGESTED IT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST. THE NEXT CATEGORY WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR ADDING TO THE 2025 LIST. THOSE PROPERTIES INCLUDE UNION LAND AND TIMBER. THAT'S THE 149 ACRES OF TIMBER LAND IN THE RIVERDALE AREA. THE ACQUISITION FOR THAT ONE WILL BE VIA THE FLORIDA DEP, THE FLORIDA FOREVER PROGRAM WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY POTENTIALLY ACTING AS A MANAGER. AND SO THAT ONE IS STILL YET TO BE ACQUIRED. IT'S WORKING ITS WAY, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST THAT IS WORKING THE APPLICATION FOR FLORIDA FOREVER. BUT WE STILL SUGGEST IT TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST. NEXT IN THE LINE WOULD BE THE CHRISTINA DRIVE BOULEVARD SHORES PROPERTY THAT WE REVIEWED AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT'S THE 2.8 ACRES ADJACENT TO THE CAN BY SHORES PARK. NEXT WOULD BE 10690 COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH WITH THE GLIDDEN PROPERTY, WITH THE HISTORIC ARNOLD HOUSE WE DISCUSSED TODAY AND RANK. IT DID MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR RANKING, OVER 50.

AND SO ITS CURRENT SCORE, AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, IS 63. AND SO THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ADDED TO THE TOP FIVE FOR THIS YEAR.

AND THEN '24, '25 THE ADAMS PROPERTY THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, THE 95 ACRES LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE MCCULLOUGH CREEK AND ON THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER. AND, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE TRACKING ALONG, THAT ONE WAS SCORED AT 72. AND THEN THE FINAL CATEGORY TO KEEP ON THE CURRENT LIST, SO AND THAT IS THE NUMBER TWO PROPERTY, BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. THAT'S THE 67 ACRES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BISHOP ESTATES ROAD. THE BAILEY PROPERTY. OBVIOUSLY WE DID ACQUIRE THE NORTHERN TWO LOTS THAT WERE ATTACHED TO THAT LOCATION FOR A PASSIVE KAYAK LAUNCH PARK. THE ASSESSMENT IS ONGOING ON THE USE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES BY PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THAT ONE, JUST TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE. THE RURAL

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DEPARTMENT OF AG, NATURAL RESOURCES CONVERSATION SERVICE, SO THE NRCS ON THE OCALA TO OSCEOLA AND CORRIDOR TO COAST REGIONAL CONSERVATION PARTNERSHIPS PROGRAM, THAT'S THE RCPP, THOSE PROGRAMS WERE DESIGNED TO HAVE BOTH A LAND ACQUISITION FUNDING SOURCE FOR CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, AS WELL AS LAND MANAGEMENT FUNDING TO HELP PRODUCERS KEEP THEIR PROPERTY IN GOOD HEALTH. CURRENTLY THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION HAS RESCINDED THE LAND ACQUISITION FUNDING FOR THE C2C WHICH THE BAILEY PROPERTY WOULD HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN. THIS PUTS A STOPPER FOR NOW ON CONSERVATION EASEMENT FUNDS THROUGH THAT FEDERAL PROGRAM. THE LAND MANAGEMENT FUNDS, HOWEVER, ARE STILL AVAILABLE. SO THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST IS HOPEFUL THAT AFTER FEDERAL REVIEW, THOSE FUNDS MAY BE AVAILABLE AGAIN IN THE COMING YEAR. SHOULD THAT TRANSPIRE, THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST WILL INFORM THE COUNTY AND THE BAILEYS AND BEGIN THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO ACCESS THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS. AS YOU KNOW, THE BAILEY PROPERTY DID RANK 406TH OUT OF 428 PROJECTS WITH THE RURAL AND FAMILY LANDS PROTECTION PROGRAM ADMINISTERED BY FTACS IN THE RCPP LAND ACQUISITION FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE AGAIN, THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY ON BEHALF OF THE BAILEY FOR THOSE FUNDS WHICH COULD BE USED AS FUNDING WITH RFLPP MONEYS AND INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A FULLY FUNDED EASEMENT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BASICALLY PROVIDED BY THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST, SO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BLOW BY BLOW ON WHERE WE ARE FOR THE FUNDING FOR THIS. SO IT'S STILL ONGOING FOR THE BAILEY PROPERTY. I KNOW THAT'S A BIG ONE ON THE LIST. AND SO THE OFFICE OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS IS HEARING FROM OUR FEDERAL LOBBYIST AT THE REGIONAL CONSERVATION PARTNERSHIP PROGRAMS WITH THE NRCC COULD BE REPACKAGED AND REISSUED AS A NEW NO TO WHAT THOUGH CALL IT EARLY NEXT YEAR. I THINK WE GO THROUGH FEDERAL FUNDS FIRST AND SEEK A MATCH FROM THE STATE. SO THEY RECOMMEND THAT WE KEEP THE BAILEY PROPERTY A HIGH PRIORITY ON THE LIST. AND WE MAY NEED A SMALL LOCAL MATCH TO GET FEDERAL FUNDS. SO THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THE BAILEY RANCH. NUMBER THREE, PELLSTER CREEK, AND, AGAIN, THAT'S THE CURRENT LEAD TO LEAVE ON THE LIST. THAT'S THE U.S. 1 SOUTH ON PELLSTER CREEK PROPERTY THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED SEVERAL MEETINGS BACK. THAT ONE IS FOR A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AT LESS THAN FEE ACQUISITION. AND SO OUR OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY, REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT AND STAFF ARE WORKING ON SETTING UP THAT CE TEMPLATE AND THE AREAS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ESTABLISHED UNDER THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT. AND SO THAT'S ONGOING. NUMBER FIVE, PICOLATA FOREST, THAT'S THE OTHER MR. GLIDDEN PROPERTY ON COUNTY ROAD 14 NORTH THAT'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. AND SO HE HAS ALSO SUGGESTED THAT PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY OR EVEN OTHER PROPERTY IN THE SAME OWNERSHIP IN THE SAME VICINITY, THE COLE COVE AREA POTENTIALLY -- I KNOW IT'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR A WHILE, HE'S SORT OF TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY CHANGING SOME OF HIS SAME OWNERSHIP IN THE AREA, MAYBE SOMETHING MORE PALATABLE DUE TO LOCAL FUNDING. SO THAT ALSO COULD JUST REMAIN ON THE LIST. LET'S SEE. THE COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH, THAT'S MCCULLOUGH CREEK PROPERTY, HI IT CROSSED OFF ON OUR POTENTIAL LIST, BUT,% AGAIN, STAFF REACHED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THAT OWNER.

AS OF VERY RECENTLY, SO NOVEMBER 14TH, HE DID CONTACT STAFF, AND SO HE MAY BE AGAIN SENDING IN AN UPDATED APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTIES IN HIS OWNERSHIP. SO WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THE OTHER PARCELS ALONG THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER AND HIS OWNERSHIP. AND THAT'S IN THE VERY NEAR VICINITY OF THE ADAMS PROPERTY ALONG THE RIVER. AND FINALLY THE -- ANOTHER ASTERISK PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE ON THE LIST IS 3775 U.S. 1 SOUTH. THAT'S THE -- THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO -- POTENTIALLY RERANK IT OR RESCORE IT OR JUST KEEP IT ON THE CURRENT LIST AS AN ASTERISK PROPERTY. SO THAT COMPLETES KIND OF THE RUNDOWN OF THE LIST OF

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AND SO MORE INVOLVED AS WE GO ALONG. BUT WE CURRENTLY HAVE -- YOU SEE THE TWO BLANKS THERE IN THE BLUE SECTION, THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE NOW BEEN SCORED, AND SO NOW MAY BE ADDED BECAUSE THEY MEET THE THRESHOLD. SO THAT COMPLETES OUR RUNDOWN OF THE LIST. AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS. >> IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE'RE GOING BASED ON SCORE, AVERAGE SCORE, AND WE ARE ESTABLISHING OUR TOP FIVE, THAT'S GOING TO KNOCK AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE, MAYBE THREE OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THE TOP -- CURRENTLY IN THE TOP FIVE OUT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE TWO THAT WE SCORED TODAY AND THE CHRISTINA DRIVE SHORES PROPERTY. AND SO PRESUMABLY, IF THAT'S THE WAY THE BOARD GOES, THOSE WOULD MOVE INTO THAT BLUE CATEGORY, WOULD THAT BE BASICALLY WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING?

>> YEAH. ESSENTIALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE JUST WANT TO REORIENT OUR TOP FIVE PROPERTIES, AND, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT A COUPLE OF THEM WILL FALL OFF, NATURALLY DUE TO THEM BEING ACQUIRED AND FALLING OFF THE LIST, BUT THEN THE AREA IN BLUE IS SIMPLY TO SAY THESE ARE THE NEW PROPERTIES TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE

IDENTIFIED AND RANKED THIS YEAR. >> AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF FOR SOME REASON ONE OF THOSE WE MOVE INTO THE GREEN CATEGORY SHOULD -- AN OWNER SAYS I CHANGED MY MIND, I WANT TO SELL OR WHATEVER, THEN WE HAVE ONE OF THE BLUES THAT WE COULD MOVE UP IF -- YOU KNOW, IF IT MADE SENSE.

>> YES. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT AS WELL. YO KNOW, BASICALLY WE WON'T KEEP A BLUE SECTION ON -- BASICALLY WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS EXERCISE, THEY'LL BE RANKED ACCORDING TO THEIR SCORE, AND THEY'LL ALL -- BASICALLY THE TOP FIVE WOULD BECOME GREEN, AND REST LEFT OVER WOULD BE AN ASTERISK PROPERTY.

>> WHAT WE'VE BEEN CALLING ASTERISK PROPERTIES?

>> CORRECT, YEAH. >> OKAY. GOT IT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR RANKING NOW. THIS IS ALWAYS HARD TO DO ON THE FLY. BUT THE LIST I HAVE BASED ON THIS ON OUR NEW PROPERTIES WOULD BE THAT THE BISHOP ESTATES ROAD PROPERTY WOULD BUMP UP TO NUMBER ONE. THE NUMBER TWO PROJECT WOULD BE THE 2425 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH WHICH IS THE ADAMS FAMILY PROPERTY THAT WE HEARD ABOUT TODAY. THIRD ON THE LIST WOULD BE THE CHRISTINA DRIVE SHORES PROPERTY. THE FOURTH PROPERTY WOULD BE 10690 COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH WHICH IS THE NEW GLIDDEN FAMILY PROPERTY THAT WE HEARD ABOUT TODAY AS WELL. AND THEN THE FIFTH ON THE LIST WOULD BE THE PELLSTER CREEK EASEMENT WHICH WOULD BUMP IT DOWN TO NUMBER FIVE, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

>> BASE OUR PROPOSED PROPERTIES ON RANKING, THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSED RANKING. SO COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH, THE PICOLATA FOREST GROUP WOULD BUMP OFF THE LIST, BUMP FROM THE GREEN DOWN. I

THINK THAT'S -- OKAY. >> PARDON ME. IF I MAY.

>> YEAH. >> MIKE AGACY, EARTH MANAGEMENT.

YOU HAVE A TIE ON NUMBER FIVE. LOOKING DOWN THE LIST, YOU SEE THE 13 SOUTH MCCULLOUGH. THAT ONE IS IN QUESTION, SO THE BOARD MAY DECIDE TO MAKE THAT ONE SIX IN THE TIE, BUT YOU HAVE THE SAME SCORE FOR THE PELLSTER CREEK AND FOR THE COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH. THAT ONE IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED. I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP JUST SO WE'RE NOT LEAVING SOMETHING OFF.

>> YEAH. APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. JUST SO WE'RE SURE THAT THE 3775, WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A WILLING LAND

OWNER AT THE MOMENT? >> WE DO. IT WAS JUST ESTABLISHED AS AN ASTERISK PROPERTY, MEANING LESS THAN THE

TOP FIVE LAST YEAR. >> OKAY. I THINK I WAS CONFUSING

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MY MISTAKE. >>

>> THAT'S CORRECT. PELLSTER CREEK AND THE MCCULLOUGH CREEK ARE IN THE TIED POSITION FOR FIVE.

>> YES. YEAH. AND THE PELLSTER CREEK EASEMENT IS STILL IN

NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. AL RIGHT. >> AS A NOTE, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DID REVIEW AND APPROVE LAST YEAR'S LIST, SO THAT'S HOW -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT DIRECTED STAFF TO START WORKING WITH THAT OWNER. BUT SUBJECT TO CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THIS YEAR'S LIST.

>> OKAY. >> ARE WE BOUND TO ONLY SEND FIVE? CAN WE SEND SIX SINCE NUMBER FIVE AND SIX ARE TIED?

>> THE LAMP ORDINANCE SIMPLY SAYS ANNUALLY THE TOP FIVE. BUT ANYTHING THAT FALLS SHORT OF, YOU KNOW, THE TOP FIVE BASED ON ITS RANK, THAT'S WHERE THE ASTERISK PROPERTIES COME IN TO PLAY. NOW, THOSE ASTERISK PROPERTIES COULD BE BROUGHT UP AND RERANKED BY THE BOARD, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE FLY AS WELL, HOW THEY SEE THESE PROPERTIES FALLING IN LINE.

>> WHAT'S THE STATUS -- YOU MENTIONED BRIEFLY THE STAFF WORK ON THE PELLSTER CREEK U.S. 1 SOUTH CONSERVATION EASEMENT

PARCEL. >> STAFF ACTUALLY MET THIS SUMMER WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO KIND OF GO OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS, ACCESS, YOU KNOW, AND BASICALLY WHERE THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WOULD BE ESTABLISHED BASED ON A CHANGE OF ACREAGE, BASED ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THEY -- IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS, THEY BASICALLY CORDONED DOWN THE CE AREA AS THE FORESTED WETLAND ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND IN THAT SITE VISIT, WE DID CONFIRM WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE AMENABLE TO THE PUBLIC COMING OUT THERE OR NOT, AND WE RESOLVE TO, YOU KNOW -- THEY ALLOW THE GTM STAFF TO COME OUT THERE I BELIEVE ON AN ANNUAL OR QUARTERLY BASIS FOR THEIR MONITORING OF PELLSTER CREEK.

>> TO CLARIFY THAT , THEY WERE AMENABLE TO PUBLIC ACCESS AS A RESEARCH OPTION BUT NOT PUBLIC ACCESS AS A RECREATION OPTION?

>> OKAY. THOUGHTS ON TOP FIVE -- TOP FIVE RANKED PROPERTIES.

ANYBODY HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT ANYTHING --

>> I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST FOUR WE RANK ON SCORING, AND I THINK THAT FALLS OUT, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, WHAT ARE THE BEST PROPERTIES ON THE LIST. I THINK FOR NUMBER FIVE, WE MIGHT WANT TO SEPARATELY DISCUSS WHICH ONE TO PUT IN THE FIVE SPOT. I ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I FELT LIKE WE HAD SOME WORK THAT HAD GONE IN TO AND MAYBE SOME PROGRESS TOWARDS SECURING SOME SORT OF ACQUISITION THERE THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD WARRANT PUTTING IT IN THAT POSITION. I KNOW FROM RECOLLECTION, I LIKE THE COUNTY ROAD SOUTH -- OR 13 COUNTY ROAD SOUTH PARCEL MUCH BETTER IN TERMS OF AT LEAST HOW I SCORED IT AT THE TIME. BUT, AGAIN, A CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THAT WE'D BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, AND AT LEAST THERE'S SOME MORE THAT HAS BEEN DONE ON THE PELLSTER CREEK PARCEL.

>> YEAH. I HAD A SIMILAR THOUGHT ABOUT THE PELLSTER CREEK PARCEL, IF THERES WA A WAY -- IF WE WERE FAR ENOUGH ALONG, AND SAY THIS ONE IS PRETTY FAR ALONG THE PATH, WE FEEL GOOD, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SLOT IN A DIFFERENT PROJECT, BUT IT'S HARD TO TELL AT THIS POINT, I THINK. OKAY. YEAH. SURE.

>> MY THOUGHT IS BECAUSE IT'S AN EASEMENT WITHOUT PUBLIC ACCESS, OTHER THAN FOR RESEARCH, I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DRAWBACK COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONE THAT IT'S TIED WITH.

>> AND THE FACT THEY REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE AREA. NOW THE

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SO, MARIO, IT'S A -- IT'S MULTIPLE OWNERS, SO YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, IT'S MULTIPLE OWNERS, AND THEN IT WAS GOING TO BE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ALL OF IT, THE UPLANDS, AS LONG AS THE WETLANDS ALONG PELLSTER CREEK, AND THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NUMBER 3. AND IN NEGOTIATIONS, THEY ONLY WANT THE CE TO BE WHAT IS ALL THE MARSH FRONTAGE, SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE -- THE BOUNDARY HAS CHANGED TECHNICALLY, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY IT THAT WAY?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IS OUR CONVERSATION STILL ADVANCING WITH THE FAMILY OR WITH ALL THE OWNERS?

>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND IF WE WERE TO, SAY, MOVE THAT ONE DOWN THE LIST OFF OF THE TOP FIVE, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY STOP THE TRANSACTION FROM HAPPENING AND NEGOTIATIONS

FROM ONGOING, CORRECT? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXTRAORDINARY. IT WOULD HAVE TO AN ACTIVE DECISION TO DISENGAGE

TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> OKAY. OKAY. SO IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD HAVE BISHOP ESTATES NUMBER ONE, THE ADAMS FAMILY SATIRWA NUMBER TWO, CHRISTINA DRIVE SHORES NUMBER THREE, THE GLIDDEN FAMILY PROPERTY THAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT TODAY IS NUMBER FOUR, AND THEN SOMEONE CORRECT ME ON WHICH WOULD BE NUMBER 5, THE COUNTY ROAD SOUTH MCCULLOUGH CREEK PROPERTY WOULD

BE NUMBER FIVE. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD MOVE YOU JUST READ IT FOR THE TOP - FIVE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND. >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION

ON THE LIST? >> JUST QUESTION, I GUESS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH MCCULLOUGH AS NUMBER 5? I'M NOT FAMILIAR OBVIOUSLY WITH THAT PROPERTY, WHY THAT ONE VERSUS PELLSTER CREEK.

>> IT MIGHT HELP TO GO BACK TO ONE OF THOSE SLIDES FOR ANY OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS THAT HAD THAT WHOLE MCCULLOUGH CREEK AREA, AND YOU CAN POINT IT OUT TO HIM.

>> MEGAN, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A MCCULLOUGH CREEK PROPERTY TOWARD THE END OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD TODAY. YEAH. I THINK IT'S ALL THE WAY AT THE END THERE AND MIGHT HAVE THAT JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE AERIAL. WE'LL GET IT UP THERE SHORTLY.

>> MY RECOLLECTION IS IT CONNECTS TO THE EITHER UNDER CONSERVATION OR PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA AS WELL.

>> IT'S THAT LARGE PARCEL RIGHT UP --

>> NO IT'S KIND OF A HEXAGONAL. >> YOU SEE THE LARGE RECOGNIZE TANGAL BLUE AREA THAT BASICALLY GOES ALONG MCCULLOUGH CREEK,

SORT OF RIGHT NEXT TO -- >> NEXT TO DEEP CREEK HERE ON

THE LEFT. >> MCCULLOUGH CREEK. NO.

>> OKAY. >> THE ADAMS PROPERTY IS IN

YELLOW, RIGHT? >> UH-HUH.

>> SO GO JUST TO THE LEFT AND UP.

>> OKAY. OKAY. >> THAT PIECE THAT'S SHAPED

LIKE. >> WITH MCCULLOUGH CREEK RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE? ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH WHAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE ADAMS PROPERTY, RIGHT, WHERE WE GOT THIS CONSERVATION LAND AND WE CONTINUE TO PIECE IT TOGETHER, I THINK IT MAKES

SENSE. >> LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A SPECIFIC

AERIAL HERE. >> THIS IS A APPROXIMATION FROM

MEMORY, BUT I THINK WE CAN -- >>

>> WE BROKE IT.

TECHNICAL ERROR.

>> USE YOUR IMAGINATION, MARIO. >> I'M GOOD. I GOT AN IDEA.

THANK YOU. >> I WOULD WANT TO ASK WHY WAS

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STALLED OR SOMETHING? >> YES, TO PROVIDE -- IT WAS ACTUALLY UP UNTIL VERY RECENTLY WE WERE GOING TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE LIST, AND JUST LAST -- MAYBE TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO, MR. POLEIZ IS THE OWNER'S NAME OF THAT PROPERTY DID REACH BACK OUT TO STAFF AND MENTION I'M AMENABLE TO TALKING TO YOU AGAIN. BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HIM, SO IT'S KIND OF A START AND STOP WITH THAT OTHER THAN. BUT IT'S IN PROCESS, AND HE SEEMS WILLING AND INTERESTED, IT'S JUST A LONG PROCESS.

>> WILL STAFF BE REACHING BACK OUT TO FOLLOW UP?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> YES, WE WILL. >> GOOD. BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THAT PROPERTY ON THE

LIST. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. SO BEFORE WE VOTE, DO YOU NEED TOOPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6? OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF ANYBODY NEEDS ME TO REPEAT THE LIST, I CAN.

BUT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE 2025 RANKED LIST

AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, >> ANY OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. MR. FLOWERS WILL BE PRESENTING THIS TO THE COMMISSION IN MARCH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. REGULAR BUSINESS, OVER.

BEFORE WE GO TO STAFF REPORTS, THOUGH, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO MR. KASADO, I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF EARLIER IN THE AGENDA. TOTALLY MISSED THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR FOR JUST A SECOND.

>> THANK YOU, ELIZABETH. YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE THAT ARE STILL HERE, MY NAME IS MARK, I'VE BEEN IN THE COUNTY SINCE 2013, DISTRICT 2. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I LIVE IN THE RIVERDALE AREA, SO I'M NOT TOO FAR FROM DEEP CREEK AND MCCULLOUGH, I DRIVE THROUGH THAT ALL THE TIME, FAMILIAR WITH IT. I DO WORK IN THE CONSERVATION REALM, SO THIS IS A VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, AS WELL AS JUST SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND TO OUR COMMUNITY, SO I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE AND TO WORK WITH BOTH MY FELLOW APPOINTEES AND WITH THE COMMISSION, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, CONTINUE CONSERVE LAND IN THE COUNTY. SO

[Staff Reports]

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. GLAD TO HAVE YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO STAFF REPORTS.

>> OKAY. JUST A QUICK UPDATE, THE LAMP BUDGET BALANCE AS OF JUST LAST MONTH IS $3,981,017, SO VERY CLOSE TO $4 MILLION. AS FAR AS THE BCC ITEM UPDATES, THE LAMP MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AS OF THE NOVEMBER 18TH BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING, DISTRICT 1 AND 3 REMAIN OPEN UNTIL FILLED. SO THERE'S TWO VACANCIES ON THE LAMP BOARD STILL. AND MARIO, WHO WE JUST MET, IS DISTRICT 2 REP. HE'S IN FOR HIS FIRST FOUR-YEAR TERM, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE IN 2029. AND MISS EYE REASON KAUFMAN IS DISTRICT 4 REP, SECOND FOUR-YEAR TERM, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE IN 2029. AND SAME WITH MS. GUFTRY, DISTRICT 5 FOR A SECOND FOUR-YEAR TERM, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE IN 2029. AND SO AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE 2025 RECOMMENDATION LIST WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN EARLY MARCH OF 2026, AND I'LL BE PRESENTING WITH MR. FLOWER THERE IS AND PRESENT THOSE PROPERTIES WE JUST APPROVED. AND THAT'S

ALL WE HAVE. >> GREAT. SHORT AND SWEET. ANY

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>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, HEADED BACK TO TALLAHASSEE AS

SOON AS WE'RE DONE. >> I SAW THAT THE COUNTY PASSED% THE AMENDMENT TO THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE THAT WILL CREATE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH CONSERVATION, NOT NECESSARILY TODAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE OR GETS IMPOSED IN 90

DAYS, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES. AND IT'S GOING TO BE PHASED IN, SO WE'RE STARTING OFF WITH IT AT 100%, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE LOWERED OVER -- FOR FIVE YEARS, JUST TO KIND OF FOR THEM TO GET USED TO IT. BUT, YEAH. I WASN'T A BIG FAN OF DOING THAT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. AT LEAST WE GOT IT

PASSED, SO IT'S VERY EXCITING. >> I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR -- AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR THIS TODAY, BUT JUST IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF ESTIMATE NEAR TERM AND THEN LONG TERM. I

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>> CORRECT, YES. >> PRESUMABLY -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BASED ON THE PARTIAL IMPLEMENTATION. I KNOW IT'S GRADUATED OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.

>> RIGHT. AND THAT IMPACT FEE IS STRICTLY FOR RESIDENTIAL. AND SO FAR THE COUNTY HAS BEEN AVERAGING AROUND 600 PERMITS, I BELIEVE, A MONTH. SO THAT'S BASED ON THAT AVERAGE SO THAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD THIS BRING IN OVER 10 YEARS, AND THAT IS IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO

AVERAGE THAT MUCH EACH MONTH. >> AND IT IS A THOUGHT THAT FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S VIEWPOINT THAT THAT WOULD REPLACE A LINE ITEM GENERAL APPROPRIATION?

>> WELL, I'M NOT GIVING UP ON THAT BECAUSE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE LAMP FUND IS ONLY $500,000, AND THE BOARD HAS GIVEN JOY ANDREWS, OUR ADMINISTRATOR DIRECTION TO HOPEFULLY GET THAT UP TO $2 MILLION, BECAUSE $500,000 IS NOT GOING TO BUY ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTY. I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WITH HER ON THURSDAY, SO I'M HOPING TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THOSE FUNDS, AND THAT'S MY GOAL, WE REALLY NEED TO GET IT MUCH CLOSER TO $2 MILLION.

>> GOOD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> YEAH. >> AND THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR COMPETENCE IN COLLECTING THESE CHAIRMAN.

>> I CAN'T FOLLOW HIM. I')M GOOD. NO COMMENTS. YOU ARE THE

DEFINITION OF ELOQUENT. >> JUST A THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR FOR FIGHTING FOR FUNDING FOR THE LAMP PROGRAM. GREATLY APPRECIATED. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. FLOWERS.

AND IT'S BEEN GREAT SERVING. THANKS, EVERYBODY.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY REPORT TODAY. THANK YOU.

>> SO BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO COVER ON OCTOBER 27TH, I ATTENDED THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL RESILIENCY ACTION PLAN LAUNCH. I WAS HOPING AT THAT MEETING TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME PRACTICAL OUTLINE OF THE STEPS ON WHAT THIS PARTNERSHIP IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH THE NEFRC BEYOND WHAT'S WRITTEN. AND THE GIST THAT I GOT FROM CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR LEADERSHIP IS IT COULD TRANSLATE IN TO GRANT FUNDING FOR OUR BOARD, FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. NOW, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SET IN STONE. I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR EXAMPLES THAT I COULD BRING BACK JUST FOR POSTERITY FOR THE RECORDING, ALSO FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT AT THIS POINT.

ANYWAY, THEY'RE PLANNING TO GIVE ME SOME MORE CONCRETE EXAMPLES AT THEIR JANUARY 1ST MEETING WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S PARTNERED ON THE VARIOUS ACTION PLAN ITEMS, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES AT THAT POINT. THANK YOU.

>> AS YA'LL KNOW, I'M NEW. I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU. BUT I DO LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING A WHOLE LOT MORE WORKING WITH

YA'LL. >> MAY I SAY ONE MORE THING?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ELIZABETH FOR YOUR TWO YEARS AS SERVICE'S CHAIRMAN. YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. I'VE GOT LARGE

SHOES TO FILL. >> OKAY. AND WE DID IT. IT'S

3:43. >> I'M SORRY. CAN I ADD ONE

THING? >> YES.

>> OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE, WE WERE JUST EMAILED INFORMATION FROM THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES REGARDING A HOUSE BILL THAT IS ON THE FLOOR. THEY WILL BE VOTING THURSDAY MORNING ON HB299. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LOOK THAT UP. PLEASE CONTACT THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. IT'S JUST ABOUT AS BAD, IF NOT WORSE, THAN SB180. SO PLEASE, PLEASE, LIKE, THEY'RE VOTING ON IT THURSDAY MORNING AT 9:30, AND I DID NOT WORK SO HARD TO BE IN THIS POSITION TO JUST BE AT RIBBON CUTTINGS. IT IS -- WHICH COMMITTEE IS IT? IT SAYS THE HOUSE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS

SUBCOMMITTEE. >> WHAT WAS THE SENATE BILL

NUMBER? >> IT'S HOUSE BILL 299, HB299, AND BASICALLY IT WILL REQUIRE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF 10,000 PLUS ACRES, BLUE RIBBON PROJECTS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON OR ENTITIES, AND IT HAS -- BASICALLY IT HAS THE EFFECT OF STRIPPING ALL NECESSARY PROTECTIONS AND REVIEW PROCESSES OF AN EXISTING AUTHORIZED PROGRAM. SO WE WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SAY. YES. SO IT'S, AGAIN, HB299, AND WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE VOTE IS THURSDAY MORNING.

>> AND THAT'S STILL SITTING IN COMMITTEE?

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>> IT IS, YES. AND I DO HAVE ELIZABETH'S EMAIL. I'D BE HAPPY TO EMAIL YOU THIS. IT HAS EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBERS' EMAIL,

AS WELL AS PHONE NUMBER. >> YES, PLEASE.

>> LOOK UP THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE ON THE FLHOUSE.GOV, AND MY REP IS ON THAT COMMITTEE, SO I'LL BE GETTING YOUR EMAILS.

>> GREAT. I'M GOING TO SEND IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE HEADS UP. >>

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