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          >>> GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING PLEASE STAND SO WE CAN SAY THE PLEDGE OF 
          ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WILL YOU PLEASE READ NOTICE 
          STATEMENT. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD -- OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY JURISDICTION AND BE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE HEARING ON EACH ITEM PRAY LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKER SET IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, THEY REPRESENT AND THEN SPEED THEIR DRESS FOR THE RECORD SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY IF THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING SUCH A PERSON WILL NEED A RECORDING OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE. WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION TO THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER WARD AGENCY COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY INTERVIEW TO APPEAL RELATING. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE REMAINING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE FORM AND HEARING OF THE AGENCY IF SUCH MEDICATION HAS OCCURRED THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSON INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE, WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE , WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND WE WILL AVOID 
          [PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 10/02/2025]
          PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU, AGENCY MEMBERS WE HAVE MINUTES FOR APPROVAL FROM OCTOBER 2 AGENCY MEMBERS WE HAVE MINUTES FOR APPROVAL FROM OCTOBER 2, 2025 CAN I GET A 
          MOTION? >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES SUBJECT TO AN ADDITION TO ITEM NUMBER THREE IN THE MINUTES , THE TO READ, TO CAPTURE THAT THE APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE WILL ALLOW A HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT 1930S COTTAGE AND REHABILITATED AND PRESERVED. THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE BUT I DID NOT SEE IT IN THE MINUTES. 
          >> DO WE NEED TO GO OVER THOSE MINUTES? I DON'T HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME TO ADD THAT THAT WAS THE MOTION IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> ARE YOU SAYING THAT WAS THE MOTION? MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES SUBJECT TO ADDING THAT 
          LANGUAGE FOR THE ITEM. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY WHETHER YOU ARE TRYING TO ADD AS PART OF THE MOTION YOU MADE OR JUST AS PART OF THE REASONING FOR MAKING THE MOTION. 
          >> I WANT IT INCLUDED IN THE RECORD. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND, IF WE WERE TO EDIT THE MINUTES IS IT PART OF THE MOTION YOU MADE THE FINAL MOTION OR IT IS A STATEMENT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IS PART OF THE MOTION? 
          >> THE WAY I READ THE MINUTES, THERE ARE A BRIEF , VERY BRIEF , THERE'S VERY BRIEF INCLUSION IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE 
          ITEM AND I WANT TO INCLUDE. >> NOT IN THE MOTION? AS LONG AS NOBODY IN THE BOARD HAS A PROBLEM THAT CAN BE ADDED. 
          SPOKEN WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          >> IT WAS NOT. >> SOUNDS GOOD IS THERE A 
          SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? >> ON THE HASTINGS ITEM THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SETBACKS THE FENCE WAS ALREADY THERE IN PLACE YES THE FENCE WAS TO CONTINUE DOWN BOTH SIDES ACROSS THE BACK NOT 
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          ACROSS ON FOX. >> OKAY. CAN WE CLARIFY? 
          >> JACOB , DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK YOU ARE WORKING ON THAT? 
          >> JACOB SMITH FOR THE RECORD. TO MR. LABANOWSKI POINT WE HAVE THE ORDER CORRECT SO WE CAN CORRECT THE MINUTES BECAUSE THE ORDER REFLECTS WHAT YOU SAID ON THE SITE AND THE REAR. 
          >> PERFECT ANYTHING ELSE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OUTPOST? THE MOTION PASSES. PUBLIC COMMENTS ANYBODY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE WILL 
          [1. SUPMIN 2025-03 Pytel Manufactured Home. Request for a Special Use Permit pursuant to Section 2.03.08 of the Land Development Code to allow for the placement of a Manufactured/Mobile Home in Residential, Single-Family (RS-3) zoning, specifically located at 204 Jackson Boulevard.]
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. WITH APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD 
          AND IS THERE ANY X PARTAKE ? >> I DID A SITE VISIT. 
          >> SITE VISIT ON THE 13TH. >> I DID A SITE VISIT ALSO. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS , 204 JACKSON BOULEVARD SAINT AUGUSTINE MY ADDRESS IS 102 OAKLEY POINT PALATKA, FLORIDA. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A MOBILE HOME , THERE IS ALMOST THE IDENTICAL SINGLE WIDE HOME IN PLACE NOW BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS REPLACING IDENTICAL HOME. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN ANY OBJECTIONS RECEIVED THEIR BEEN A DOZEN MOBILE HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THEY HAVE BEEN REPLACED BUT THERE ARE OTHERS THIS WOULD BE 100% BETTER. THERE ARE EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT TO PROVE VERSUS 16 DENY. AND IT WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> IS THE OLD MOBILE HOME GONE OR THERE? 
          >> I DO NOT DRIVE BY I BELIEVE THE PLAN MUST THEY PROBABLY 
          PULLED IT OFF. >> I'VE NOT BEEN BY IN THREE 
          WEEKS. >> IS THIS A REPLACEMENT FOR NEW 
          OKAY. >> WHEN I VISITED THE SITE ON THE 13TH THERE WAS A POOL OF UNDER THE NORTH -- OF THE MOBILE HOME AND MY QUESTION IS IT DID NOT LOOK LIKE THERE WAS A ADEQUATE GRADE DRAIN TO PREVENT IT SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IT IS APPARENT. 
          >> WHEN THE EXISTING NEW HOME IS REMOVED ON THE SITE PLAN WE DO A NEW FILL IN PAT AND IT WILL PROVIDE 6 TO 9 INCHES IN THE CENTER AND IT DRAINS FROM UNDERNEATH SO THE FILL WILL BE ADDED SIX 6 TO 9 INCHES TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          >> CAN YOU PRESS YOUR BUTTON AGAIN? 
          >> A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I AM SEEING THE SEPTIC YEAR BUT THERE WERE NO SIGNS OF ANY SEPTIC HAVE YOU PLANNED ON PUTTING IN THE 
          NEW AREAS? >> THERE'S EXISTING SEPTIC. TO 
          BE APPROVE FOR USE. >> SHOWN TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOME AND THE SITE PLAN THERE IS A SMALL RECTANGLE AND THEN A DOTTED RECTANGLE THAT SAYS EXISTING SEPTIC. 
          >> THIS HOME WAS OLD ENOUGH THAT IN FACT MOST OF THE NEW ONES ALL OF THE NEW ONES ARE NOW SEPTIC THIS IS APPROVED AS IS WITH A LIKE SIZE CHANGE , FLORIDA SEPTIC TANK RULES ALLOW TWO-BEDROOM IN USE SO THE EXISTING SEPTIC REMAINS 
          APPROVED. >> WITH THE LOT BEING ABOUT HALF 
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OF THAT LOT UNDERWATER WHEN I WAS OUT THERE 
          >> YES AND I KNOW THE INSPECTORS WILL REQUIRE US THEY WILL MAKE SURE WE ARE APPROVED WHEN WE DO THAT. WE WILL BE BUILDING THE SWALES AND RE-CUTTING. ALL DRAINAGE. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> SIR YOU HAVE PUT EXHIBIT B , ANY CHANGES ON THAT DOCUMENT TO THE EXHIBIT IN OUR STEP REPORT? 
          >> THAT IS IDENTICAL. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR THE 
          RECORD. >> ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE SEEING NONE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR 
          MOTION. MR. GREEN? >> MOTION TO APPROVE 2025-03. 
          MANUFACTURING HOMEBASE ON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT WITH TWO 
          CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL IS THEIR SECOND? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT THAT MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE 
          [2. ZVAR 2025-05 410 East Cochran Avenue. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section 6.01.03.E.4 of the Land Development Code to allow for a reduced second Front Yard setback of eight (8) feet in lieu of the required twenty (20) feet for a Corner Through Lot located in Residential, General (RG-2) zoning to accommodate construction of a single-family home; specifically located at 410 E. Cochran Avenue.]
IT. ITEM NUMBER TWO ANY EX PARE ? MR. LABANOWSKI 
          >> YES I HAVE VISITED THE SITE AND I HAVE TALKED WITH TWO GENTLEMEN OUT THERE AND CAN MAXWELL. 
          >> OKAY, MISS SPIEGEL? >> I DID A SITE VISIT AND HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR AND I DID VISIT THE SITE WITH AARON MASTERS WHO WAS THE NEXT-DOOR 
          NEIGHBOR. >> MR. OLSON? 
          >> I VISITED THE SITE ON THE 16TH. 
          >> MR. ANTONIO. >> YES, HI, MY NICKNAME IS JOHN ANTONIO 2570 JOE ASHTON ROAD I OWN ANCIENT CITY CONSTRUCTION WITH MY WIFE KATHLEEN AND IF I CAN PUT THIS ON THE OVERHEAD. 
          >> PUT IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. SO WHAT IT IS, IS OUR COMPANY BUILDS A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSES FOR STARTERS, FAMILIES AND STUFF AND WE BUILT 404, 406, 408 AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD OUT FOR 10 AND I HAVE TALKED TO THE COUNTY MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO AND PEACHTREE WAS NOT GOING TO BE OPEN ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY THEY ALLOWED ME HAD TO HIRE A LAWYER, THEY ALLOWED ME TO GO FROM THE BACK LOTS AND VACATE THEM TO THE FRONT LOTS WHICH IS ABOUT 275 FEET DEEP. THEY WERE SO SURE THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING UP TO ROAD THAT THEY ALLOWED ME TO DO THE VACATES SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS INSTEAD OF A 20 FOOT SETBACK ON PEACHTREE WHICH WOULD ONLY GIVE ME 22 FEET BECAUSE 20 AND EIGHT IS 28 MINUS A 50 FOOT POD WHICH WOULD LEAVE ME WITH TWO AND THREE AND I REALLY WANT TO HAVE EIGHT AND EIGHT, 34 BUILDABLE SITE. BECAUSE I CAN BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOME THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE TO YOUNG FAMILIES THAT WANT CHILDREN. 
          CHILDREN ARE MOST, WITH THREE BEDROOMS THAN THEY ARE WITH TWO BEDROOMS. SO YOU KNOW IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE EASIER FOR ME TO SELL TO THE PUBLIC AND INSTEAD OF BUILDING A SKINNY NARROW LONGHOUSE IT WOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER AND IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A GOOD CURB APPEAL. AND THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. EIGHT ON THE FRONT LOT AND THE BACK LOT WHICH IS ARE ALL PARCEL ID NUMBERS ARE THE SAME BECAUSE THEY LIVED ME 
          TO VACATE TO THE FROM. >> SO IT IS ONE LOT? 
          >> ONE PARCEL ID NUMBER. ALL FOUR THEY ARE. AND I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA SOMETHING BROUGHT UP IN THE COUNTY CAN BUY A STARTER HOME THEY ARE NOT FORCED OUT TO OTHER AREAS WHICH ARE FINE IN THE OTHER AREAS BUT IF THEY WERE BROUGHT UP IN ST. 
          JOHN'S COUNTY THEY OUGHT TO HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OR OR OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND THE PRICES ARE GOING UP NOWADAYS AND IT IS BECOMING HARDER AND HARDER FOR A HOMETOWN PERSON. OR ANYBODY OUT OF THE COUNTY THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND CANNOT AFFORD 400 OR $500,000 HOME WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD THIS AND SELL FOR THE LOW TO MID 300S SO IT IS ATTRACTIVE. TO 
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          PEOPLE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? MR. OLSON. 
          >> YEAH. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I THINK HASTINGS HAS A GREAT FUTURE AND NICE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. AND IT WILL BE INCREASED INTEREST IN WHAT I DO. TO BUY HOMES THERE AND LIVE THERE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT IS A LOW-LYING AREA AND HOW MUCH , TO WHAT EXTENT ARE YOU GOING TO NEED TO FILL THE SITE TO MEET THE BUILDING CODES AND HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THE DRAINAGE ON TO 
          OTHER PROPERTIES? >> OKAY THE FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION HAS BEEN A VERY IMPORTANT IDEA OR THOUGHT FOR ME WHEN I BUILD A HOUSE. ALL THE OTHER HOUSES I DID ON FIVE COURSES OF STONEWALL THE COUNTY ONLY REQUIRES THREE BUT I WILL GIVE AN EXTRA TWO COURSES BECAUSE I AM METICULOUS ON MY HEIGHT SO I'M GOING FIVE COURSES PLUS +10 OR 20 LOADS OF DIRT IN THERE NONE OF MY HOUSES, I BUILD HUNDREDS OF HOUSES IN THE LAST 35 YEARS HAVE EVER FLOODED LIKE THE ONE ON THE CORNER RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY HAD TO LIFT IT UP YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT WHERE THEY HAD TO LIFT THE HOUSE UP, IT FLOODED NO ONE IN MY HOUSES EVER FLOODED AND I BUILD OVER 100 HOUSES. SO I'M VERY VERY CONSCIENTIOUS OR THOUGHTFUL OF THE FLOODING SO I WILL PUT IT ON FIVE COURSES THAT IS EIGHT TIMES FIVE IS 40 INCHES OFF THE GROUND AND I WILL PUT A BIG DIRT PAD IN THERE AND NONE OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE COME CLOSE TO FIGHTING EVEN THOUGH THE ROAD BECAME UNDERWATER IN HURRICANE SEASON. SO I AM VERY 
          CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT. >> I KNOW WE HAVE ISSUES IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS BUILT UP AND IT IS CREATING DRAINAGE PROBLEMS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES 
          >> WE BUILT A HOUSE ON THE ISLAND AND IT IS UNDERWATER WE TOLD THE WATER SO BAD WE TOLD HOMEOWNER WERE NOT BUILT IT THE HOUSE AND THUS WE GO FIVE COURSES UP AND I CHECKED WITH SURVEYORS AND IT WAS OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE TOO HIGH THEN IT SHEDS WATER ON THE OTHER PEOPLE OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO HAVE 
          RETAINING WALLS. >> THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          >> THERE WERE CANOES GOING DOWN THE ROAD DURING THE HURRICANE FLOOD SEASON ON ANASTASIA. I HAVE BEEN A ROUND A PRETTY LONG TIME BUT THE WHOLE THING OF IT IS TO BE AWARE OF THE FIRST. 
          >> MY OTHER BURROWING INTO THAT FURTHER QUESTION TO THE COUNTY HOW DOES THE COUNTY ASSURE WHEN THEY ARE PROVING BUILDING PERMITS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ADVERSE DRAINAGE AFFECT ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTY, HOW IS THAT? IS THAT PART OF THE SIGNOFF ON 
          THE BUILDING PERMIT? >> WANT TO GO FOR A LOT GRADING PERMIT LOT GRADING AND INSPECTION HAS. 
          >> I THINK THE COUNTY IS GOING. >> GOOD AFTERNOON ASSISTANT DIRECTOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT. I THINK BUILT IN THE COUNTY GOES TO PERMIT REVIEW STARTING WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO SPECIFIC JOB IS TO REVIEW RESIDENTIAL SITE PLAN ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE NOT APPLICABLE THAT INCLUDES MONITORING THE FILL ADDED MAKING SURE APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE IS THERE AN ESTABLISHED, BY RIGHT LOTS THAT EXIST DRAIN TO POINT A POSITIVE LEGAL OUTFALL IN THIS INSTANCE THE ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY AT WHICH POINT BECAUSE THE COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY. IF THERE ARE OTHER MINI GETTING CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT STAFF WOULD BE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS ARE REVIEWED SO THAT GOES THROUGH A THOROUGH REVIEW BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN APPLY FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT. 
          >> THE DRAINAGE WOULD BE DIRECTED BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEERNG REVIEWS BY THE COUNTY THAT DRAINAGE WOULD BE DIRECTED ONE OF THE TWO STREETS THAT BORDER THIS ? 
          >> POINT OF POSITIVE LEGAL OUTFALL THAT IS THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THE INSTANCE OF PLATTED LOTS OF RECORD THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. 
          >> AND THEN ALSO THINK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE TO PUT ARROWS ON OUR SITE PLAN WHEN WE SUBMIT TO THE REVIEW BOARD AND WE USUALLY DRAW THE ARROWS TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY SO IT CAN GO TO THE 
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DITCH AT THE ROAD AND WENT TO BUILD GRASS SWALES ON EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO CATCH THE WATER TO STOP IT FROMENCROACHING ON 
          THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR. >> OKAY. 
          >> REAL QUICK TO CONTINUE ON WITH FLOODING IN THE AREA AT THE END OF CONCORD I KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE WATER GOES TO. AND THAT DOES FLOOD DEFINITELY. A REAL HEAVY RAIN LIKE WE HAD THAT DEFINITELY FLOODS SO THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THE FLOODING IN THE AREA. THE HOMEOWNER WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU CAN PUT THE FENCE UP DOWN THAT NORTH PEACHTREE 
          >> YES, KELLY HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET ME TO DO THAT FOR YOU WHILE. 
          I SAID I WOULD DO THAT BUT I WANT TO DO IT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. SO I CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE AND IT CAN BE PAID FOR. ALSO WANTS ME TO CUT THE GRASS AND STUFF BECAUSE SNAKES ARE COMING OVER I DON'T MIND MAINTAINING A VACANT LOT KEEPING FRIENDS WITH THE NEIGHBORS YOU KNOW IN FACT I SOLD THEM THE HOUSE AND HE'S VERY PLEASED WITH THE QUALITY, THE QUALITY IS PRETTY GOOD, THIS IS FIVE COURSES TOO. EVERY ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE FURTHEST AWAY FROM PEACHTREE ARE STILL AT FIVE COURSES BECAUSE I KNOW ABOUT THE ROAD AND I'M NOT GOING TO LET MY HOUSES FLOOD. 
          >> THERE IS A FENCE THERE ALREADY ON ONE HOUSE. THIS IS A LONG PEACHTREE ITSELF WITH PEACHTREE AND THE HOMEOWNER IT 
          IS IN THE WOODS. >> A NEW MOBILE HOME WAS PUT IN AND I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER TO THE PEOPLE PUTTING A FENCE UP AROUND THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT MAKES IT MORE SELLABLE, THE KIDS CAN GET OUT AND PLAY AND FEEL THEY ARE PROTECTED. 
          >> YOU WILL PUT A FENCE UP IN THERE DURING CONSTRUCTION OKAY 
          THAT'S ALL. >> HOUSES ARE LIKE ISLANDS, THEY ARE HIGH AND IT IS A WET AREA SO I THINK IT IS BUYER BEWARE, THIS IS A WOODED AREA AND IN HEAVY RAIN YOU DRIVE THROUGH PUDDLES TO GET ON THE ROAD. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT COME I PRESCIENT THE FACT YOU WANT TO PUT IN PRODUCT THAT IS SOMEWHAT AFFORDABLE. FOR PEOPLE AND THAT IS A NOBLE 
          THING. THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN. >> 402 EAST COCHRAN IS WHERE MY DAUGHTER MARGIE LIVE CENTER HUSBAND WORKS FOR US SO I DRIVE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUOUSLY AND I HAD TO DRIVE BY THE PINK HOUSE ON THE ORANGE STREET WHERE THEY DID WATER CONTROL WITH THE RETENTION POND AREA. THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY LIFTING THE HOUSE, WHY NOT BUILD FIVE COURSES, IT IS ABOUT $1500 A COURSE SO IT IS $2000. I DON'T CARE WOULD INCORPORATE THE COST OF THE HOUSE AND BUILD IT RIGHT AND I HAVE THREE SONS AND A SON-IN-LAW THAT ARE TAKING OVER THE BUSINESS. ME AND MY WIFE ARE PART-TIME BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE AGE WHERE WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO STEP BACK BUT WE WANT TO LEAVE A GOOD REPUTATION COMPANY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A FLOODED HOUSE WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD REPUTATION. WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON A REPUTATION. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. 
          >> WEST OF THE SUBJECT. AS WE DISCUSSED IT IS VERY LOW I PULLED A MAP FROM THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND IT SHOWS THIS IS MY HOUSE AND HERE'S THE SUBJECT. THE ONLY OBJECT SHOWING AT THIS EXTENT ARE FIVE FEET EVERY THING ELSE IS LOWER THAN THAT MY CIRCLE HERE IS 3.8 FEET, WHILE WE ARE FINE UPFRONT, ALL OF THIS BACK AREA IS RELATIVELY UNUSABLE BECAUSE IT IS MOSTLY WET ALL THE TIME. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE FACT OF THE FLOODING IN OUR AREA DURING THE HURRICANE THIS IS WHAT WE EXPERIENCED. THANK GOD JACK WENT FOUR COURSES BECAUSE THE 
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NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET ARE OLDER HOUSES ON THE GRADE THEY FLOODED THEY GOT WATER INSIDE PARTICULARLY KEN AND RACHEL THAT LIVED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM 410 EAST COCHRAN. AFTER A FEW DAYS THE SITUATION CAME TO THIS. SEE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WATER DOES PULL UP AT THE END OF THE DITCH COCHRAN AVENUE TRAINS FROM THE CENTER OF TOWN AT MAIN STREET IT TRAINS TO THE EAST AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AT THE CORNER OF COCHRAN AND ORANGE IN SPITE OF THE WORK THEY DID WITH THE BIG PROJECT AT NORTH ORANGE AND ST. JOHN'S AND THAT IS WHERE THE HOUSE, THE PINK HOUSE JACK WAS REFERRING TO AND THEY HAVE ENDED UP HAVING TO RAISE IT WELL OVER I THINK THEY RAISED IT MAY BE 10 COURSES A BLOCK TO BRING IT UP TO ABATE THE DAMAGE THAT HAPPEN. WITH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR I WELCOME IT, I AM ALL FOR GIVING JACK THE VARIANCE, BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE THEY NOT VACATING PEACHTREE THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE IF YOU VACATED PEACHTREE AND GIVE HALF TO JACK AND HALF TO MR. RISKY THAT GIVES A NICE BUFFER BETWEEN RISKY'S HOUSE AND THE NEW HOUSE, PEACHTREE THEN WHEN VACATED IT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED ANYWAY, BUT THIS WOULD ASSURED WAS NEVER DEVELOPED SO IT WILL ALWAYS STAY IN THIS CONDITION THIS WOULD GIVE A BETTER LOT TO BUILD ON IT AT 410. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT BRINGING IN THE FILL IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING IN MORE FILL TO KEEP THE WATER BACK, IF YOU NOTICE THE BLUE LINE HERE THIS STARTS AT NORTH CAROLINA AND FIRST STREET IT WAS CUT BACK IN THE I BELIEVE IT WAS THE 1950S AND IT DRAINS OUT TO THE EAST, CONNECTS TO WHAT THEY CALL DEEP CREEK CUT THAT THEN GOES OUT TO DEEP CREEK. ANYTIME THERE'S A LARGE IMPENDING STORM THAT PUSHES THE NORTH FLOWING ST. JOHN'S RIVER BACK IT BACKS UP THE NORTH FLOWING DEEP CREEK BACKS UP AND THEN ALL OF THAT WATER COMES IN TASTINGS FROM 
          THIS DIRECTION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? I THINK A LOT OF YOUR CONCERNS I DON'T THINK YOUR CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH THE SETBACK ISSUE OF THIS APPLICATION BUT I DO ENCOURAGE MAYBE TO REACH OUT TO COUNTY STAFF TO SEE IF THEY CAN HELP WITH ANY ISSUE ANYTHING THE COUNTY COULD DO TO CLEAR UP THE DRAINAGE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY DO MAINTAIN THE DRAINAGE AND 
          RIGHT-OF-WAY AREA. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> GO AHEAD MISS SPIEGEL. WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF VACATING PEACHTREE IS THAT SOMETHING TO PURSUE? 
          >> THE REQUEST TO VACATE RIGHT AWAY IS DONE BETWEEN PRIVATE 
          PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE COUNTY. >> ULTIMATELY THE EIGHT FEET SETBACK ON THE SIDE THAT BORDERS TO 10 IS THE SAME? YOU CAN MOVE THE HOUSE FURTHER THAN THAT BUT IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE HOUSE FOR THEIR WAY FROM THE HOUSE NEXT-DOOR? 
          >> THE REQUEST FOR THE SETBACK AND I WOULD DEFER TO JACOB PRIMARILY ON THAT THEY ARE ADJACENT TO THAT UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY. VACATING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE PROCESS THAT GOES TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS IT DEALS WITH THE PLATTED PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY VACATING INTEREST IN SAID PROPERTY IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR THAT WOULD REVERT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AS DETERMINED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OFFICE AT WHICH POINT THAT BECOMES A SIDE SETBACK SO IT BECOMES USABLE PROPERTY FOR THE ADJOINING OWNER AND SO CONCEIVABLY YES THAT STRUCTURE COULD SHIFT IN THAT REALM FITTING WITH THE NEW SETBACK STANDARDS BECAUSE IT BECOME SIZE RATHER THAN A SECONDARY FRONT. THAT IS A MULTISTEP PROCESS THAT GOES BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THEM TO VOTE ON AND IT REQUIRES ADDITIONAL WORK OF THE APPLICANT TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER HEARING PROCESS ADVERTISING AND IT IS A TWO-YEAR 
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PROCESS BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE. CERTAINLY CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE REQUEST TO THE POINT I DON'T KNOW IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO NOT, BUT AGAIN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT REALLY CANNOT BE DETERMINED AT THIS TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU THAT WAS CLARIFICATION I WAS LOOKING FOR 
          THANK YOU. >> MR. GREEN. WE ARE NOT DONE 
          WITH YOU. >> DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE 
          UTILITIES >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE UTILITIES ON THE OTHER ROAD THAT'S PART OF THE VACATION PROCESS WHERE THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO GET UTILITY CLEARANCES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO INADVERTENTLY AND THEN THEY HAVE UTILITY BY RIGHT THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE IN THERE. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> MADAM CHAIR I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE APPROVAL OF ZONING VARIANCE 20 2505 2025 05 AT 410 EAST COCHRAN AVENUE IN HASTINGS BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SIX CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? 
          >> MADAM CHAIR. PREVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT COMMITTED TO PROVIDING 
          THE FENCE. >> THAT'S NOT PART OF THE 
          MOTION. >> WANTED TO MAKE THAT 
          CLARIFICATION. >> NO FURTHER DISCUSSION LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU. 
          >> 
          UP MI MANDATED? >> YOU'RE NOT MANDATED. THAT IS NOT PART OF THE MOTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE DO IT. 
          >> IT'S GOING TO HELP THE HOMEOWNER IT IS NOT PART OF THIS 
          REQUEST FOR VARIANCE. >> PARENTS FEEL SAFE WITH A 
          FENCE. THANK YOU. >> ON TITLE NUMBER THREE IS 
          [3. MINMOD 2025-08 133 Millenia Drive Pool. Request for a Minor Modification to the Nocatee Planned Unit Development (Ordinance 2002-46, as amended) to allow for a zero (0) foot Rear Yard setback in lieu of the required five (5) feet to accommodate placement of a swimming pool.]
          THERE ANY EX PARE? >> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND I DID 
          >> MR. OLSON. >> I HAD A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH A HOMEOWNER ON OCTOBER 13 WHEN I VISITED THE SITE MAINLY TO AS PERMISSION TO LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE 
          PROPERTY. >> MR. LABANOWSKI? 
          >> I VISITED THE SITE AS WELL. >> 
          >> WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SETBACK VARIANCE. I KNEW THERE WAS ONE THING THAT CAME UP WITH IT WITH THE HOMEOWNER TO THE REAR WHICH IS ACROSS TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC AND A MEETING IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM SO IT IS NOT A DIRECT IMPOSING FACTOR. I KNOW SETBACKS ARE USUALLY PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE OF UTILITIES BECAUSE THIS IS ON THE ENTRANCE ROAD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE UTILITIES ARE SITTING 15 FOOT BEHIND THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. THEY ARE NOT RUNNING THROUGH THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THAT BUFFER 
          BETWEEN THE ROAD AND PROPERTY. >> ANY QUESTIONS? MR. OLSON. 
          >> WHAT IS THE HARDSHIP >> THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN CLEARWATER THE HOMEOWNERS LIVE IN CLEARWATER THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE GRANDKIDS ARE UP HERE AND THIS WILL BE A SUMMER AND SPRING TERM PROPERTY FOR THEM AND WINTERTIME PROPERTY. 
          >> ON THE HARDSHIP THING ALL THESE PARCELS UP THE STREET THERE IS NOTHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PARCEL WOULD KEY A HARDSHIP FACTOR THEY HAVE SHALLOW BACKYARDS SO, THERE'S NOTHING UNIQUE. BUILDING A POOL IS , THE INABILITY TO BUILD THE POOL BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK IS AN INCONVENIENCE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT 
          A HARDSHIP. >> IT IS NOT A MINOR VACATION SO 
          IT IS A DIFFERENT SETTING. >> WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS WE ARE 
          REVIEWING? >> JACOB? 
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          >> FOR CLARITY THROUGH THE CHAIR THIS IS A MINOR MODIFICATION OF THE LAND DEVELOPER CODE WHEN WE DO MINOR MODIFICATIONS FOR INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO PUD THE JUDGING STANDARD IS THE STANDARD OF A VARIANCE SO THE SAME STANDARD WOULD APPLY. 
          >> YOU ARE RIGHT. >> LOOK AT SECTION 10, 42 ZONING VARIANCES IT IS ALSO TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE UNDUE HARDSHIP. 
          >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINK THEY ARE CRAMMING A SEMI-SMALL HOUSE ON A TINY LOT THERE IS NOT A LOT OF ROOM BACK THERE TO DO 
          ANYTHING. >> I RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          >> THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES IN AND AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE NOT IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE VARIANCES 
          COMING BEFORE US. >> ALL I DO IS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD SUGGEST NOT A CONDITION OR A PROPERTY TRAIT THAT IS SHARED UP AND DOWN THE STREET BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS PLATTED. 
          >> YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SHALLOW LOT AS UNIQUE . YOU CAN GET 
          THERE. >> OKAY, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I 
          HAVE TAKEN UP ENOUGH TIME. >> THAT IS NOT A STANDARD LOT, YOU HAVE 13 FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY HOUSE LINE ON ONE SIDE AND 15 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE? OKAY WELL I WAS ROUNDING UP. 
          >> IT IS A SMALL LOT BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND WHERE THE UTILITIES WENT BECAUSE OF THE ROAD BEING THERE LEAH PULLED A LOT BACK THIS WAY BECAUSE OF THE UTILITY 
          LINE. >> THE QUESTION IS AND IS HARD TO SEE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE NOW WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE POOL 
          GOING IN THERE? >> 10 FOOT BY 14 FOOT. 
          >> SO IT IS LIKE A DIPPING POOL. >> I HAVE LITTLE BACKYARD. 
          >> TWO PULLS ARE TAKEN OUT TO TREES THAT ARE TAKEN OUT BACK 
          THERE? >> THAT WILL BE WHERE THE 
          EQUIPMENT AREA WILL BE. >> THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT THE POOL, BECAUSE THERE IS A OAKTREE RIGHT THERE THE HEDGE AREA. THE ROOTS OF THE OAKTREE ARE GOING TO DAMAGE THAT. 
          BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE. >> YOU HAVE A VERY VALID QUESTION. I HAVE BUILT A LOT OF POOLS IN THE SAN MARCO AREA, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE OLD OR HISTORICAL AREAS WITH OLD WATER OAKS WHICH WE RUN , I HAVE TO RUN A 12 BY 12 MAP FOR THE SWIMMING POOL I RUN 10 BY 10 AND AROUND 10 INCH CONCRETE ON EVERYTHING TO ELIMINATE THE SITUATIONS. 
          >> OKAY THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE THING. IS THE PROPERTY IN HOA? YOU HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE HOA? 
          >> WE HAVE NOT PURSUED THAT YET DUE TO THE FACT THAT I NEEDED TO 
          DISPERSE >> I UNDERSTAND THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW EVEN THOUGH WE GIVE YOU PERMISSION ON THE COUNTY LEVEL WE CANNOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION ON THE HOA LEVEL. 
          >> ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? SEEING NONE WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY PROMOTION. 
          >> MR. GREEN? >> 
          >> THERE WE GO HOW ABOUT A MOTION TO APPROVE LOT 2025-8 ON EIGHT DRY POOL BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SIX 
          CONDITIONS . >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL I WILL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. 
          THAT MOTION PASSES 3-2. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, ON 
          [4. PUD 2025-01 Dark Horse. Request to rezone approximately 11.86 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a 21,000 square foot health/fitness facility and a 12,250 square foot covered turf field, located on an unaddressed parcel on the north side of Greenbriar Road and approximately 1.25 miles west of Longleaf Pine Parkway.]
TIME NUMBER FIVE ANY EX PARE? I MEAN FOUR. I'M TRYING TO GET TO NUMBER FIVE I GUESS. MR. LABANOWSKI. 
          >> DEFINITELY VISITED THE SITE AND RECEIVED SEVEN EMAILS. 
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          >> OKAY, MISS SPIEGEL. >> I THINK I RECEIVED THE SAME SEVEN EMAILS AT A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH IN RELATION TO ONE OF THE EMAILS. HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH BRAD WESTER ON THE 13TH COME IN PERSON CONVERSATION WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND TAYLOR REGARDING THE NEED FOR FIELD PRACTICE FIELDS , I HAD I DID A SITE VISIT AND HAD A COUPLE OF EMAIL CONVERSATIONS WITH SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. 
          >> MR. OLSON? >> YES I VISITED THE SITE ON OCTOBER ON OCTOBER 13, I ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS CLOSEST TO IT TO GET THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVES AND WAS UNABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH THEM , 
          APPARENTLY THEY ARE OUT OF TOWN. >> MR. GREEN? 
          >> I HAD A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY. I WAS UNABLE TO TALK TO YOU 
          ABOUT IT FLOOR IS ALL YOURS. >> BRAD WESTER VICE PRESIDENT LAND-USE DRIVER BACK AT THE HAWTHORNE , ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 23202. I ALSO HAVE THE OWNER AND FUTURE PROPRIETOR OF THIS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AFTER A FEW SLIDES FOR INTRODUCTION AS WELL. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM OPEN WORLD TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. IS A PROJECT CALLED DARK HORSE A HEALTH AND FITNESS FACILITY TO FOSTER COMMUNITY CENTER APPROACH TO WELLNESS, DARKNESS WERE ENTERTAINED FACILITIES AND AMENITIES CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE IN THE AREA PROVIDING A MEMBER-BASED SERVICE TO FAMILIES, INDIVIDUALS AND STUDENT ATHLETES WHO WANT TO PRIORITIZE LONG-TERM WELL-BEING. EXISTING PROPERTY BOUNDARY IS APPROXIMATELY 11.86 ACRES THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THE PROJECT TO 11.8 ACRES. BECAUSE OF RIGHT AWAY RESERVATION AREA AND THIS IS A COMMON THING INCLUDING THE ADJACENT PUD'S WHERE THEY HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY. 3.65 ACRES OF UPLAND AND 7.84 ACRES OF WETLANDS EXIST ON THE PROPERTY AND WE INTEND TO IMPACT 0.38 ACRES OF FRIENDS WETLANDS I WILL GO TO THE IN FUTURE SLIDES WITH NO PROTECTED SPECIES TREES AND SPECIAL CONCERN IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN SEE THERE BETWEEN LONGLEAF PIE AND STATE ROAD 13, THE NORTH SIDE OF GREENBRIER. DARK HORSE HEALTH AND FITNESS INCLUDES A CONDITION BUILDING NOT TO EXCEED 21,000 SQUARE FEET AND A COVERED INDOOR TURF FIELD BUILDING NOT TO INCLUDE OR NOT TO EXCEED TYPICAL STATE-OF-THE-ART FITNESS EQUIPMENT AND SPACE, WORKOUT RECOVERY, GENERAL WELLNESS ACTIVITIES AND SPACE FOR EDUCATIONAL CLASSES. BASED ON THE NORTHWEST SECTOR FEEDBACK SYNTHETIC TURF FIELD WILL BE IN A BUILDING THAT INCLUDES ROLLUP DOORS AND WINDOWS THAT CAN OPEN FOR PROPER AIRFLOW VENTILATION AND IMPROVE AIR QUALITY, THE WEST ELEVATION BUILDING TYPICALLY FACES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          TO THE WEST. WE WILL NOT HAVE ABILITY TO FUNCTION AS A PRIVACY SCREEN WALL THE TURF FIELD BUILDING IS INTENDED USE IS FOR TRAINING AND GENERAL WELLNESS AGILITY AND MOVEMENT FOR ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AS THIS MAP REMAINS OPEN TO CALL UP STEFFI SORENSON AND SHE CAN DESCRIBE A LITTLE MORE ABOUT HER VISION AND IT WILL CONTINUE WITH 
          THE PRESENTATION. >> HI HOW ARE YOU ALL? AFTERNOON. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND TO BE GIVEN THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT OUR VISION FOR DARK HORSE. THANKS TO MY AMAZING TEAM BEHIND ME WHO HAS GUIDED ME THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS IT HAS BEEN VERY THOROUGH, LIKE SO MANY IN THE ROOM ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS HOME FOR ME WHERE I GREW UP, WHERE I CURRENTLY LIVE AND WHERE I WILL RAISE MY FAMILY AND RIDE DARK HORSE IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. HEALTH AND WELLNESS IS NOT A TREND IT IS NOT A CATCHPHRASE OR GIMMICK IT IS A WAY OF LIFE, ONE I HAVE WALKED FOR MANY YEARS, I STARTED TO PLAY BASKETBALL AT THREE YEARS OLD YES THREE THANK YOU MOM . I GRADUATED AS MS. FLORIDA BASKETBALL IN 2006 AND FINISHED MY PLAYING CAREER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IN 2010. 
          THING BACK WE KNOW SO MUCH MORE ABOUT HOW TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES AND THAT HAS BECOME MY LIFE'S PASSION. NOW AT 37 I 
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KNOW NO OTHER WAY OF LIFE HEALTH IS WEALTH, IT LOOKS DIFFERENT FOR ALL AGES AND WE WILL WELCOME EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY REGARDLESS OF YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE. SORRY I'M SO NERVOUS. I COME FROM A FAMILY OF ENTREPRENEURS. WHO HAVE STRIVED TO CREATE CHANGE IN THEIR COMMUNITY THAT IS SOMETHING VERY MUCH SO INGRAINED IN ME. MOST RECENTLY I WATCHED MY SISTER WHO IS SEATED OVER HERE RAISE YOUR HAND. SHE OPENED AND I WATCH THE COMMUNITY FULLY EMBRACE HER AND EVEN STICK UP FOR HER AT TIMES. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ALL ABOUT WHAT INSPIRED MY VISION FOR DARK HORSE BUILT BY LOCALS FOR LOCALS BY SOMEONE RAISED AROUND THE CORNER WITH ASPIRATIONS OF MAKING REAL CHANGE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY FOR COMMUNITIES IN THE HEALTH AND 
          WELLNESS SPACE, THANK YOU. >> IMPORTANT TO PUT A FACE WITH THE NAME INCLUDING CAR COURSE AND THERE CERTAIN CONNOTATION BEHIND THE THEME IT IS A SPECIAL THING AROUND THE WE ARE REQUESTING HERE AND I WILL SAY THIS WE HAD THE NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING AND WE WILL PLACE TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS ADDRESSED THIS IS A MORE OF A BOUTIQUE HEALTH AND WELLNESS FACILITY NOT LIKE A MEGA JIM I WON'T USE ANY CHAIN NAMES BUT IT IS NOT ONE THAT WE NORMALLY SEE AROUND TOWN THAT'S A CHAIN IT IS BOUTIQUE AND CENTRIC APPROACH SCALE. THE MAPS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THE LAND USE AND ZONING MAPS, THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS RESIDENTIAL LAND-USE IN THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS OPEN WORLD CURRENT ZONING AGAIN WE ARE REQUESTING PUD. ESSENTIALLY INFILL PUD BECAUSE ANYTHING IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR TO BE CHANGED THAT IS OF ANY DEVELOPMENT IS TYPICALLY GOING TO THE PUD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE THE GENERAL SITE CONDITIONS WHICH SHOWS THE TREE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COVERAGE. I WANT YOU TO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION AND I WILL USE MY POINTER TO THE CROSSHATCHED AREA. THE WHITE CROSS HATCHING THOSE ARE WILDLIFE AND THOSE CORRESPOND TO THE UPLAND AREAS AND THAT IS AN IMPORTANT NOTE AND FEATURE ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT WILL GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE OTHER COLORS ARE GENERALLY THE WETLAND AREAS FOR THE MOST PART PRESERVED IN CONSERVATION. WITH THE EXCESS ACCESS FOR THE GHOST OF FRINGE AREAS THAT I WILL GO INTO. THIS IS A MAP THAT KIND OF FURTHERS THE ENVIRONMENTAL MAP THAT I SHOWED IN COLOR THIS ONE SHOWS THE FLOODPLAIN , THE WETLANDS IN THE FRINGE IMPACTS AND THAT CAN SEE THE CROSSHATCHING, THE CROSSHATCH AREAS ARE THE FRINGE IMPACTS PROPOSED ON THIS PROPERTY. WE HAVE A COMPLETE UPLAND POD IN THE AREA HERE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND EARLY ON IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING WE HAD A TRAIL THAT LED TO THAT WE HAD THAT SLATED FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WE MOVED THAT IS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WILL BE UPLAND BUFFERED. HERE IS OUR PUD PLAN AND I WILL SHOW IT COLORIZED IN A MINUTE BUT THIS PLAN SHOWS THE SITE DATA TABLES SO THE SPECIFICS IN THIS SITE DATA TABLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AREA SHOWING THE STORM WATER POND, PARKING ACCESS, SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS HERE'S A HEALTH AND FITNESS BUILDING FRAMED AROUND THE WATER FEATURE WHICH IS THE STORM WATER POND AND THE COVERED TURF FIELD TILTING. YOU CAN SEE HERE NOTED THIS UPLAND AREA IS NOW THE UPLAND BUFFER. HERE IT IS COLORIZED MUCH EASIER ON THE EYES. YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE GREEN AREA IS EITHER WETLAND CONSERVATION THE UPLAND BUFFER OR THE REQUIRED 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT HEDGE WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE 10 FOOT PUD PERIMETER BUFFER. SO THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND SCOPE IS SURROUNDED BY CONSERVATION AND PROTECTED LAND SOME OF THAT WILL BE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING TO BEEF UP THE SCREENING AND VEGETATED BUFFERS IN THE AREA AND I WILL GO INTO THAT BUT THIS IS A COLORIZED VERSION OF THE SAME MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN PART OF THE PUD. TRAFFIC AND CONCURRENCY. BEING A COMMERCIAL PROJECT WE ARE EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY IN THAT THE COUNTY IN 2018 CHANGE THE LAW TO ALLOW A MORE ECONOMIC BUSINESS DEVELOPER TO SUPPORT THE ROOF TOPS IN THE AREA AND THAT IS WHAT THIS DOES AS WELL. I WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE DIFFERENT 64.1 AND 64.2 THOSE ARE THE LINKS ON GREENBRIER AND 
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YOU CAN SEE THIS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THE SAME TWO LINKS AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT OPERATIONAL CAPACITIES FOR THE SPECIFIC ROADWAY LINK FRONTING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IT IS OPERATING AT 51% CURRENT CAPACITY AND 85% COMMITTED CAPACITY. IT IS OPERATING AT A OKAY LEVEL AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO GREENBRIER PRESERVE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED BY ORDINANCE 2013-27 AND THAT INCLUDES A COMMUNITY PARK LAW AND SANITARY LIST ON THE EASTERN MOST PART OF THE COMMUNITY. IN A PROTECTED CONSERVATION AREA INCORPORATING A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AND 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT HEDGE THE ADJACENT CONSERVATION AREA AND 75 COMBINED EDGE 35 FOOT EACH ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN BOTH PROPERTIES PROVIDES FOR A DISTANCE OF 195 FEET TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTS. 
          GREENBRIER PRESERVE PUD SCENIC EDGE AND DEVELOPMENT EDGE WILL SERVE TO BUFFER THE DEVELOPMENT FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THAT AS PER THE ORDINANCE ADOPTED. ADDITIONALLY GREENBRIER PRESERVE ALREADY CONTEMPLATED PROXIMITY FACTORS RELATED TO IN THE PUD SHOPPING IN BUSINESS FOR EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, AGAIN ADOPTED AS LANGUAGE IN THE PUD. 
          HERE'S THE ASSOCIATION NEXT DOOR THE SIGNIFICANCE IS THE ADJACENCY FACTOR AND WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. THE ADJACENCY FACTOR IS HOW DOES OUR PROJECT POTENTIALLY IMPACT ADJACENT USES AROUND US WITH THAT PUD JUST LIKE OURS HAS PRIMARY DEVELOPED ON UPLAND AREAS IT IMPACTS 1.3 ACRES OF WETLANDS WITH 0.38 ACRES BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ASSOCIATION PROPERTY AS PROTECTED AND ADOPTED IN THE PUD THE CONSERVATION AREA AND BUFFER. THIS IS ALSO THE ACTUAL ADOPTED MAP OF THE SAME DEVELOPMENT THIS CROSSHATCHED AREA IS THE COMMUNITY PARK THAT IS A OUTDOOR LOT COMMUNITY PARK THAT SERVES THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY LISTED AS A TOT LOT COMMUNITY OUTDOOR PARK THERE IS NOT MUCH ON IT NOW IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SAC YOU CAN SEE IT IS A CLEARED LOT BUT IT IS BONA FIDE COMMUNITY ASSET AS A PARK JUST NORTH OF THAT IS SANITARY LIFT STATION LOT SO ON THIS ENTIRE EASTERN EDGE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A TOT LOT OR COMMUNITY PARK AND A SANITARY STATION THE NEAREST RESIDENT IS ADJACENT TO THOSE FEATURES AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE AREA IS THE DEVELOPMENT EDGES. THIS SHOWS OUR PROJECT REQUEST IN CONTEXT TO THE ADJACENCY USE YOUR COURSE PUD WILL HAVE DEVELOPMENT EDGES AND THE ASSOCIATION PROPERTY WILL ALSO HAVE PROTECTED PUD CONSERVATION AREAS AND BUFFERS. THIS GIVES CONTEXT FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WEBSITE THIS IS GIS MEASUREMENTS BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE NORTH SIDE THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE IN THIS AREA HERE WE ARE 170 FEET FROM THE SANITARY LIFT STATION LOT ON THE EASTERN MOST PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND HE USES. GOING DOWN TO THE MIDDLE 195 FEET TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTS SKIPPING OVER THAT LOT TO TAKE FROM THE EDGE OF THE LOT OR COMMUNITY PARK IT IS 102 FEET BEFORE IT ENCOUNTERS ANY DEVELOPMENT AREA IN THE PROPERTY SO PUTTING IN THE CONTEXT OF DEVELOPMENT I BELIEVE AND I CAN GO INTO THIS FURTHER THAT PUD DID CONTEMPLATE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT USE THAT'S WHY THE PRESERVE WAS BUILT AND PROTECTED AND THAT'S WHY THE TOT LOT AND LIFT STATION WAS PUT IN THAT LOCATION. THIS IS A CROSS SECTION VIEW OF THE SAME DEPICTION OF MEASUREMENT WHICH SHOWS IN MASS THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND CUL-DE-SAC AREA AGAIN MAX HEIGHT 35 FEET IN THAT AREA PER ORDINANCE IN THE GREENBRIER PUD, 195 FOOT SPREAD THROUGH A CONSERVATION AREA AND A 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE THAT IS IN THE PROPOSED PUD, THIS BUILDING IS THE COVERED TURF BUILDING AND THIS IS THE ATHLETIC FACILITY. THE USE AND TYPE OF FACILITIES CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIAL B COMMANDS A PLAN FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF PROVISIONS RESULTING FROM OR TO PUD IS REQUIRED IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PURSUANT TO COMP PLAN POLICY A ONE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PURSUANT TO COMP PLAN POLICY A 111.2 IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USE ARE COURSE PROVIDED WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION MAY BE REQUIRED THROUGH PUD REGULATIONS, THEN A RED COMMERCIAL USE LIKE DARK HORSE HAS IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE PROCESS SHALL BE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USE INTENDED TO SERVE THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. PERMITTED USE ALLOW SIMILARLY INCLUDE CULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES SUCH AS 
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PRIVATE CLUBS PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITY WITH AND WITHOUT LIGHTED FIELDS AND COURTS AS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. 
          DARK HORSE WILL SERVE COMMUNITY DAILY BETWEEN 7:00 AND 9:00, LIGHTING WILL MEET OR EXCEED THE FOOT CANDLE STANDARD AT THE PROPERTY EDGE. THERE ARE NO WAIVERS IN SECTION REQUESTED FOR THIS REGARDING DEVIATION FOR LIGHTING HEIGHT NOISE ENCROACHMENT AND ANY DEVELOPMENT EDGES FOR ANY PARK LOT COVERAGE FOR FA ARE GREENBRIER ROAD OPERATING AND GREENBRIER ROAD IS OPERATING AT A OKAY LEVEL OF SERVICE STATUS PURSUANT TO THE LATEST TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET. 51% CAPACITY AND 80% COMMITTED CAPACITY FOR THE LINK FRONTING ON PROPRTY WITH THE ADJACENT LINK LITERALLY DOWN THE STREET, 30.5% CURRENT CAPACITY AND 57.6 CURRENT COMMITTED LINK ON 64.2. MANY OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WENT THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS TO BECOME THE USE THEY ARE TODAY. 
          ARE SOME VISUALS OF DARK HORSE SOME CONCEPT STORYBOARDS SO YOU CAN SEE HERE SOME OF THE INTERIOR IDEAS AND VISION FOR THE SCOPE INCLUDING THE EXTERIORS AND AGAIN IT'S GOING TO HAVE A REALLY NICE LOOK COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA IT WILL BE TWO STORIES AND NO HIGHER THAN 35 FEET, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS THE LOCKER ROOM IDEAS AND CONCEPTS FOR GIRLS AND BOYS AND THE TURF FIELD BUILDING. THIS HAS BEEN GENERALLY THE MOST CONTESTED OR CONCERNED ELEMENT OF THIS. THE TURF FIELD BUILDING DID START AS A COVERED TURF FIELD STRUCTURALLY THAT MEETS BUILDING CODE FOR A BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS A STRUCTURE. IT WOULD BE STRUCTURALLY BUILT WITH A COVERED IMPERVIOUS TURF SORRY A COVERED ROOF COVERING THE TURF FIELD WITH STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS. WE HEARD THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOUD AND CLEAR AND THROUGH FURTHER RESEARCH WITH OUR TEAM WITH ARCHITECTURAL AND CIVIL ENGINEERING AND STEFFI UNIVISION WE DECIDED TO DO A FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING ITSELF AND IF YOU LOOK ON THIS, THESE ARE THE CONCEPT BUILDING BUT IF THIS IS THE WESTERN EDGE THE BALL RIGHT THERE WILL NOT HAVE ROLLUP DOORS OR PENETRATIONS TO THE WESTERN NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT YOU CAN SEE IT WILL HAVE SOME THE BIG FANS OF TOP THAT'S LITERALLY THE BRAND. 
          SO THE FANS FOR CIRCULATION, MORE PARTLY THE REASON WHY THIS WILL NOT BE CLIMATECONTROLLED IS FOR TRAINING AND AGILITY THEY NEED TO BE IN THE ENVIRONMENT YOU GET TO BE PROTECTED FROM RAIN OR SUN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BREEZE SEEKING TO HAVE SOME PROTECTION FROM THE ENVIRONMENT BUT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR AGILITY TRAINING AND REDLINE TRAINING TO HAVE THE OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT TO TRAIN IN. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT HAVING FLAG FOOTBALL AND PICKLEBALL AND SOCCER TOURNAMENTS THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT THE SIZE WILL NOT ACCOMMODATE THAT THIS IS A SPECIALIZED NICHE GENERALLY TRAINING AND WELLNESS AMENITY AS PART OF THIS FACILITY AND THAT'S WHY THIS SIZE IS SMALLER THAN THE ACTUAL FOOTBALL FIELD WERE TYPICAL SOCCER FIELD. IT IS A MINI AGILITY TRAINING WITH MARKET IS FOR YARDAGE SO DOING A 40 OR 50 YARD DASH AND YOU NEED TIME AND YOU CAN DO THAT BUT IT WILL BE TO TRAIN PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING AGILITY WORK FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS. IT WILL NOT HOST SOCCER TOURNAMENTS OR BASKETBALL TOURNAMENTS OR OTHER TOURNAMENTS THAT YOU SEE AT OTHER FIELDS IN THE AREA WHERE YOU HEAR BATS BANGING AND WHISTLES GOING OFF THERE WILL NOT BE BRIGHT LIGHTS ALL THE LIGHTING WILL BE INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING THERE WILL BE PARKING LOT LIGHTS AND VERY LOW LIGHTING WITH NO NEED FOR COMMERCIAL LIGHTING LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER AND WE PLEDGE TO ADHERE TO THE CODE AND EXCEED THE CODE STANDARD BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH VEGETATION THERE IS IN THE 35 DEVELOPMENT EDGE. I BET 0.0 THE PROPERTY EDGE WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM STANDARDS. SO THAT IS A DEPICTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF AND I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE , BUT BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HEARD AND CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S GOING FROM A COVERED TURF FIELD TO ACTUAL TURF FIELD BUILDING. LET'S SEE, DARK HORSE WILL BE HEALTH AND FITNESS DESIGNED TO FOSTER COMMUNITY CENTERED APPROACH TO WELLNESS THIS IS NOT A MEGA JIM NOT DOING CROSSFIT IN THE PARKING LOT PUTTING TIRES ARE COURSE WILL INTRODUCE A RANGE OF AMENITIES CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN THE AREA AND WILL PROVIDE A MEMBER-BASED SERVICE TO FAMILIES INDIVIDUALS AND STUDENT ATHLETES WHO WANT TO PRIORITIZE LONGTIME WELL-BEING AS MENTIONED. DARK HORSE WITHOUT 
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A DOUBT PLANNED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD SKILL USE KEEPING WITH THE COMPANY AND SUPPLANT GOAL FOR EFFICIENT AND COMPACT LAND-USE PATTERN TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE LAND-USE FOR GROWTH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DARK HORSE WILL POSITIVELY BENEFIT THE COUNTY BY SERVING THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND LOCAL COMMUNITY AND THE COMMERCIAL TAX BASE TO PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. WITH THAT INTERESTED IN TIME AND WE HAVE A SPEAKER DESIGNATED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF A NUMBER OF FOLKS THE FLOOR NOW WITH ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE BACK UP FOR 
          REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. >> 10 MINUTES? 
          >> WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND COME BACK TO QUESTION. 
          >> WELCOME, VERY NICE TO SEE YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, NICE TO BE HERE. 
          >> I AM ONE OF TWO SPEAKERS? 1005 -- SO, IN TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY I HAVE CONCLUDED THAT DARK HORSE FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE CARRANZA PLAN FAILS OR FAILED AND I WILL EXPLAIN IN A MINUTE. TO COMPLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FIRST OF ALL THIS IS RESIDENTIAL B CLEARLY EXPLAINED AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE LANGUAGE IN A 111 ONE THE LAND-USE THAT DESIGNATIONS DEPICTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHALL PERMIT THE FOLLOWING LAND USES THIS IS DENSITY ZONE P SO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. YOU WILL HEAR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO HEAR IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE CARRANZA PLAN ALSO SAYS THAT THIS SHALL NOT BE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL YOU CAN SEE DENSITY ZONE CMD NEEDED TO HAVE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND THE REASON I BRING THAT IS TO BRING QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE COURSE IS SERVING ONLY THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD , THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PHRASE SO LET ME BACK UP HERE THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING EVER HAD OR DOES IN FACT SERVE A LARGER MARKET AREA THAN EVER COMMERCIAL PERHAPS REGIONAL AND THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THEY WANT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SHALL MEAN LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USE INTENDED TO SERVE THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WHEREAS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SHALL MEAN COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USE TO SERVE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY WITH A LARGER MARKET AREA THAN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SO WHICH IS IT? STAFF HAVE QUESTIONS TAKEN OUT OF STAFF REPORTS THEY QUESTIONED WHAT THE USES WERE AND INDICATED THE IMPACT WAS UNCLEAR AND THEY MADE THE NOTE ALL NEIGHBORHOODS DO APPEAR TO HAVE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES SO WE HAVE HEARD WORDS LIKE BOUTIQUE WE HAVE HEARD WORDS LIKE TRAINING SO THE QUESTION IS TRAINING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA , BOUTIQUE SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY LIMITED , A PRETTY LIMITED SKILL. IS THAT JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR FOR A WIDER MARKET AREA? SO BASED ON THOSE QUESTIONS WITH LACK OF A BUSINESS FINANCIAL AND MARKETING PLAN, IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE. IT IS POSSIBLY REGIONAL , CERTAINLY COMMUNITY OR WIDER, SOME COULD SAY WITHOUT THE DATA HOW CAN YOU CONCLUDE IT IS NOT NEIGHBORHOOD? IF SOMEONE WERE TO ASK ME THAT QUESTION I WOULD SAY WELL, WITHOUT DATA AND MATERIAL HOW CAN YOU CONCLUDE THAT IT IS? I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. WE DO NOT SEE THE BUSINESS PLAN , FINANCIAL AND MARKETING PLAN, I CONTEND THIS WILL NEED A MUCH WIDER CATCHMENT AREA TO BE PROFITABLE. LOOKS GOOD. I AM AN ARCHITECT. I LOVE THE DRAWINGS BUT THIS IS NOT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SO IF YOU CHANGES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOING THIS ON THE FLY NOW THANKS TO WHAT WE JUST HURT AND I PULLED 
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MY INFORMATION OUT OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU RECEIVED AND I HOPE THAT'S TRUE. I HEARD SOME THINGS TODAY THAT WERE BRAND-NEW NOT IN THE STAFF REPORTS OF THE LAND-USE CODE JUST TO CUT RIGHT TO IT SAYS THAT OUTDOOR FIELDS ARE NOT ALLOWED. TABLE 20301 CLEARLY I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE THERE SAYS THE ALLOWABLE USE IS INDOOR. AND SECTION 20201 GOES FURTHER TO SAY THAT COMMERCIAL INDOOR , THE WORD INDOOR. AND UNTIL TODAY , UNTIL TODAY IT WAS OUTDOOR FACILITY. SO THE CONCLUSION FOR THE LAND-USE CODE AT THAT POINT WAS THAT OUTDOOR RECREATION IS NOT ALLOWED KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE STAFF REPORT POSSIBLY AND THAT IS WHAT I SAW LAST NIGHT THE DARK HORSE HEALTH AND FITNESS FACILITY INCLUDES THE BUILING A COVERED INDOOR TURF BUILDING ENCLOSED WITH AN IMPERVIOUS ROOF WITH OPEN SIDE FOR A PROPER AIRFLOW AND UNTIL TODAY AN OUTDOOR BUILDING OR OUTDOOR FIELD WAS CALLED INDOOR I VISITED WITH THE COUNTY FOR EMOTIONAL AND POSED THE SAME CONDITIONS TO THE FIRE MARSHAL. A COVERED FIELD WITH OPEN SIDES. OUTDOOR FIELD OR INDOOR FIELD AND HIS ANSWER WAS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM , I POSED THE QUESTION AND I SAID IS THIS A COVERED OUTDOOR FIELD WITH OPEN SIDES AND HIS ANSWER WAS YES SIR. I WILL MAKE SURE WITH BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS WELL I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T SEE IT ANY OTHER WAY. THINGS HAVE CHANGED, WE JUST HEARD THAT AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT. I AM TELLING YOU THAT IF I USE THE MATERIAL YOU HAD IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FROM LAST NIGHT SO AND MY THIRD POINT ABOUT INCOMPATIBILITY IS SOMEWHAT DIMINISHED WITH THE NEW REVELATIONS TODAY WHICH WE JUSTIFIABLY CONCERNED WITH NOISE AND LIGHTING AND EVEN MORE SO COMING FROM AN OUTDOOR FIELD AND CLEARLY AS YOU ALL KNOW , IS A PLAN A1311 SAYS REZONING SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED IF IT IS DETERMINED TO HAVE UNREASONABLE AND INCOMPATIBLE IMPACT SO PERHAPS THE NOISE AND THE LIGHT FROM THE OUTDOOR FIELD ARE OFF THE TABLE. BUT AND I HAVE LISTED THE THREE POINTS I HAVE BEEN PREPARED TO GO THROUGH IT IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN BECAUSE IT IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USE PERIOD , IT IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USE. THE OUTDOOR FIELD POSSIBLY IS OFF THE TABLE, INCOMPATIBLE IMPACT IS POSSIBLY OFF THE TABLE. SO IT COMES DOWN TO A DECISION ABOUT IS THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USE, WE HAVE HEARD WONDERFUL PROCLAMATIONS FROM THE OWNER AND REPRESENTATIVES IT SOUNDS GOOD. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PERSON. THIS IS ABOUT THE LAW AND ABOUT THE LEGAL LANGUAGE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UNLESS YOU WANT TO SAY OKAY THIS IS NOT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BUT I LIKE THE PROJECT I DON'T THINK IT WORKS THAT WAY OR IT SHOULDN'T LOOK THAT WAY. CLEARLY THIS ALL HINGES ON IS THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USE I SAY IT IS NOT , WE HAVE NO MARKETING PLAN, NO BUSINESS PLAN, NO DATA UNLESS THE APPLICANT CAN SAY OTHERWISE OR PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTS THIS IS A WIDE CATCHMENT AREA THAT WILL POSSIBLY EVEN BE REGIONAL I MEAN MISS SORENSEN IS WELL KNOWN IN THE ATHLETIC FIELD FOR ATHLETES THAT ARE REHABBING, FOR ATHLETES THAT ARE TRAINING THESE ARE NOT ALL COMING OUT OF THIS FACILITY, IT'S NOT SERVING A 200 HOME NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXPECTED TO GET EVERYTHING THEY NEED FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THEREFORE IT IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD USE AND IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT FOR YOU SHOULD DENY THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. 
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          >> ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR ? 
          >> SECOND. 'S ARE TAILORED TO HAVE ANOTHER DESIGNATED SPEAKER? OKAY I WILL LET THIS GENTLEMAN SPEAK AND THEN WE WILL HAVE ONE GO 
          AHEAD, SIR. >> I DO LIVE IN KENDALL CREEK AND I AM THE HOUSE THAT THEY KEEP REFERRING TO, THE ONE CLOSEST TO THEM A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY WHICH IS A JOKE. WE CANNOT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS GOING HERE. YEARS AGO, YOU GUYS PUT IT DOWN FOR THE OFFICE BUILDINGS. THAT WAS BAD ENOUGH, BUT THIS ONE IS DESTROYING THE WATER , WE HAVE HAD DRAINAGE IN THE STREET COMING DOWN HERE. I DON'T HAVE MAPS, I'M SORRY. I AM HERE JUST AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, THE BACK OF MY LOT AND THE LOTS ALL THE WAY UP THE STREET ARE ALL IN FLOOD ZONE GOD KNOWS WHAT THAT WILL CUT OFF AND HOW BAD IS GOING TO BE. ANIMALS ARE CONSTANTLY RUNNING, HE IS COMING AT A PARK AND IT IS NOT A PARK. 
          THERE IS A LOT NEXT TO MY HOUSE A HALF LOT THEY COULD NOT BUILD ON SO I PUT GRASS AND THE KIDS CAN PLAY IF THEY WANT TO. WE GET MORE ANIMALS, WE GET DEAR, WE GET RACCOONS AND EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS HAVE CHASED THEM ACROSS THE STREET. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR THEM TO DO OR TO GO. THIS , I THOUGHT AND I WAS TOLD WHEN THE SORENSEN BOUGHT THAT WE WILL BUILD HOUSES FOR OUR FAMILY AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. NUMBER ONE, THEY SAID THEY TRIED TO CONTACT ME, NEVER HAVE. I HAVE NEVER HEARD ONE WORD FROM THEM TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING. LIKE I SAID , I AM JUST ONE PERSON , REPRESENTING KENDALL CREEK BECAUSE ALL OF OUR PEOPLE WORK FOR A LIVING AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO BE HERE. I HAPPEN TO BE RETIRED. SHE WENT , WHERE DID YOU GO TO HIGH SCHOOL? I SIT ON MY BACK PORCH AND I CAN HEAR THE BAND ON FRIDAY NIGHT OR SATURDAY NIGHT FOR THE FOOTBALL GAMES I CAN HEAR THE BAND AND I CAN HEAR THE ANNOUNCEMENTS. DON'T COMPLAIN THEY WERE THERE BEFORE ME. I HAVE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE FOR 10 YEARS. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BIG CHANGE LIKE THIS. I CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT OTHER THAN STAND HERE, THANK 
          YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. MR. TAYLOR 
          DOES HE HAVE 10 MINUTES? >> I HOPE NOT TO TAKE OF HOW MUCH TIME, I AM JEFF EDWARDS ALSO FROM KENDALL CREEK ON THE BOARD 146 ALBANY DRIVE SO I AM BASICALLY HERE TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT JOE MCINERNEY SAID. HE LAY DOWN THE PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW AND THE ZONING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT WELL I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE ACTUAL RESIDENT SITE SO I LIVE ON KENDALL CREEK. THAT WOULD BE THE BASELINE WITH THE UTMOST PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT THEY ARE PROPOSING WOULD AFFECT AND SO AS FAR AS A BUFFER ZONE IN BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES, IT CONSISTS OF SPINDLY PINE TREES AND 2 TO 3 FEET OF STANDING WATER AND ANYBODY THAT HAS LIVED IN A AREA LIKE THAT WITH WATER THAT ACTS AS A ACTUAL, IT ACCELERATES THE ACOUSTICS SO I CAN HEAR MY NEIGHBORS DOWN THE WAY SPEAKING AT NORMAL LEVEL , CONVERSATION ON THEIR BACK PORCH SO ANY EXCESS NOISE, ANY EXCESS LIGHTING IS A DISTURBANCE TO THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S ABOUT 80 HOMES THAT A BUT THE DESIGNATED PROJECT ON EITHER SIDE SO IF YOU FIGURE 3 INDIVIDUALS PER HOME THAT IS 240 INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT. LIGHT POLLUTION, 
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NOISE POLLUTION, ALWAYS GREAT TO SAY IT WON'T HAPPEN, BUT ONCE IT'S BUILT AND IT DOES HAPPEN THEN WHAT'S THE RECOURSE AFTER THAT? SO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS YOUR TURN TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. YOU HAVE HAD MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS FOR THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR TAKING TIME TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATIONS AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND GIVE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THIS AREA DOES NOT FIT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. NOW, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS AROUND THE COMMUNITY FURTHER DOWN IN THE MORE COMMERCIAL PORTION THAT DO FIT AND IT WOULD ALLOW THE SORENSEN'S TO ACTUALLY EXPAND ON THEIR PROJECT AND MAY BE FURTHER THEIR ASPIRATIONS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR THE FACILITY AND WE DO HAVE A , I'M SORRY A COMMISSIONER THAT IS INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER SO YOU KNOW, A COLLAPSE BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE SORENSEN'S IS NOT OFF THE TABLE, YOU KNOW THEY'VE BEEN TOLD NO INITIALLY AND I APPRECIATE EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER THAT'S INTERESTED AND I THINK IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE COMMUNITY TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THIS WITH APPROVAL WHEN ALL OPTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN EXPLORED KNOWING THE EFFECTS ARE MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE NEGATIVE FOR THIS AMOUNTING COMMUNITIES WITH LIGHT POLLUTION, NOISE POLLUTION, VARIOUS ASPECTS. I WORK IN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT SO I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE CONTRACTORS ALL THE TIME IT WON'T AFFECT THIS OR THAT. AT THE END OF THE DAY IT DOES SOMETIMES WELL WHEN THE PROJECT IS BUILT THERE'S NO TURNING BACK SO YOU'RE AFFECTING 280 LIVES AT MINIMUM BY APPROVING THE PROJECT NOW AND THE VAGARIES IN THE APPLICATION ALONE ARE ENOUGH TO ASK QUESTIONS. THERE IS NOT CERTAIN SPECIFICATIONS FOR YOU KNOW QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT ARE NEEDED. THEY ARE NOT OUT LAID PROPERLY IN THERE TO HAVE THE CONFIDENCE BEHIND BACKING THE PROJECT, I WANT THE PROJECT TO SUCCEED? 100%. I WANT IT TO SUCCEED IN THIS AREA IT IS PROPOSED IN? ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITIES TO STAND BEHIND THE SORENSEN'S AND MR. WESTER HOUSE WITH MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD BUT NOT IN THE AREA PROPOSED. IT IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE AREA, IT IS CRAMMED IN BETWEEN TWO COMMUNITIES. ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THE 210 CORRIDOR AS YOU HAVE YOUR SELECTION A PLETHORA OF COMMUNITIES THAT OFFER ALL TYPES OF AMENITIES FROM ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING YOU COULD WANT. I CAN GO TO ST. JOHN'S FOREST AND PLAY HOCKEY THEY HAVE A HOCKEY RINK BUT PEOPLE DECIDE TO MOVE TO CERTAIN AREAS. WITH THAT CORRIDOR THAT GREENBRIER CORRIDOR PEOPLE DECIDE TO MOVE TO THE AREA BECAUSE IT IS RURAL AND IT IS PEACEFUL, WE HAVE THE WETLANDS AND WE DON'T WANT THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S OTHER AREAS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER APPROPRIATE AREAS. THE SHEER LOGIC OF THE WHOLE THING. 
          IT IS A BOUTIQUE CLAIMED TO BE A BOUTIQUE. DOING SOME ROUGH MATH WITH MINIMUM-WAGE COME I BELIEVE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSALS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THEY SAID 18 TO 20 EMPLOYEES. IF YOU DO THE MATH IF YOU HAD 300 MEMBERS AT $100 PER MONTH, THAT WOULD BE , THAT WOULD JUST BE PAYING THE SALARIES OF THE PEOPLE WORKING AT THE FACILITY SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MUCH MORE MEMBERS AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOW-DENSITY POPULATION AREA. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DRAW MEMBERS FROM? YOUR VISA HAVE TO DRAW FROM THE OUTSIDE, YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO DRAW THEM FROM THAT SPECIFIC AREA WHICH IT CLAIMS TO SERVE. SO AGAIN WE ALL ROOT FOR THE DARK HORSE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK WITH THE MANURE THAT COMES WITH IT. I IMPLORE YOU FOR DENIAL OR AT LEAST A CONTINUATION SO WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSIONER 
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THAT HAS SHOWN SOME INTEREST IN THE PROJECT AND POSSIBLE 
          COLLAPSE WITH THE COUNTY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? I'M SURE WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS WHEN YOU ARE DONE. 
          >> OKAY BRAD WESTER , THANK YOU. MR. MCINERNEY WAS AT THE NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING SO HE HEARD THE INITIAL CONCEPT PITCH DURING THAT AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS WERE THERE. I'M SORRY I DID NOT ATTEMPT TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE WE HAVE A NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING WHICH IS LEGAL AND PUBLIC NOTICED WE SENT OTHER NEWSPAPER NOTICES, POSTED THE SIGNS AND EVERYBODY GOT THE MAIL OUT INDICATING THE SECTOR MEETING AND WE HOSTED AT THE BARTRAM TRAIL HIGH SCHOOL. THAT WAS NOTICED FOR THAT REASON AND IT IS CALLED A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING. SO THAT SERVED THE PURPOSE TO TAKE CONSIDERATION FROM THE PUBLIC AND ALLOW US TO REFINE OUR APPLICATION. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THIS USE IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE CONFERENCE A PLAN AND THAT IS ERRONEOUS. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT IS PART OF THE CONFERENCE A PLAN. USE LIKE THIS FURTHERS THE PLAN AND SOME OF THE EXPERTS MAY BE ABLE TO OPINE ON THIS AS WELL IF IT WERE NOT WE WOULD NOT BE HERE. THE COUNTY WOULD'VE SAID YOU NEED A PLAN AMENDMENT AND WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR A AMENDMENT AND REZONING AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. REGARDING THE REGIONAL COMMUNITY ASPECT NEIGHBORHOOD ASPECT THERE IS NO THRESHOLD IN THE CODE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NUMERICAL THRESHOLD THAT TALKS ABOUT MILEAGE CIRCUMFERENCE OR RADIUS THAT ONLY IS ALLOWED TO PATRONIZE THIS FACILITY BASED ON A NEIGHBORHOOD USE. IN THEORY THE NEIGHBORHOOD USE IS JUST THAT IN THEORY MEANT TO SERVE THE ROOFTOPS IN THE AREA AND THIS IS HOW THINGS WORK, ROOFTOPS COME FIRST THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING YEARS, ALL NONRESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND THE LIKE INCLUDING FITNESS FACILITIES NEXT YOU DO NOT PUT COMMERCIAL FIRST. THERE'S A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THAT REALM AND THAT VERY NEVER COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS ALSO REQUIRED PUD TALKING ABOUT SQUARE PEG ROUND HOLE WHATEVER WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. YOU CAN CONTEST THAT'S THE CASE FOR THEIRS AS WELL. EVERYBODY IS VYING IN THE AREA TO UTILIZE THE AMOUNT OF UPLINKS THAT ARE DEVELOPABLE ON ANY SPECIFIC PARCEL AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WE HAVE SHOWN WITHOUT A DOUBT AND THAT IS A RULE AVOID MINIMIZATION. AS FAR AS IMPACTS TO THE ENVIRONMENT. THIS IS 100% DIFFERENT FROM ANY HOA CLUBHOUSE ELLIPTICAL MACHINE THAT MIGHT BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CLUBHOUSE SO THAT'S ERRONEOUS TO COMPARE THAT, THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THEIR OWN ATHLETIC FACILITIES. THERE IS NO CODE REQUIREMENT THAT REQUIRES MY CLIENT TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL BUSINESS OR MARKETING PLANS FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. IT DOES NOT EXIST. WHERE IN FACT A INDOOR FACILITY AND HAVE BEEN. I WILL CONTEST THE FIRE MARSHAL SAID THIS IS OUTDOOR MAYBE BECAUSE HOSES CAN RETRIED IN BUT PER THE BUILDING CODE FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DEFINITION MSI CAN BE CORRECTED EVEN IMPERVIOUS COVERED BUILDING WITH STRUCTURAL SITES IS INDOORS . THERE'S NOTHING THE CODE THAT REQUIRES US TO HAVE A CONDITIONED BUILDING WHEN NOT CONDITIONED WHAT DO YOU DO IN FLORIDA? YOU OPEN UP THE DOORS THAT IS ERRONEOUS TO CLAIM THAT . THE DEFINITIONS ARE IRREFUTABLE IN THE CODE. DRAINAGE WE ARE HELD TO AN EXTREMELY HIGH STANDARD AND COUNTY RULES FOR DRAINAGE AND WHAT WE CALL CUP FOR CUP, FLOODPLAIN COMPENSATION. WE CANNOT JUST IMPACT THE LAND WITHOUT COMPENSATING IN-STORE MOTOR AND DRAINAGE RELATED TO THE FLOODPLAIN IMPACTS WHERE HELD TO THE STANDARD FOR LOCAL DISTRICT AND STATE REGULATIONS AND WE WILL MEET THOSE. ANIMALS STILL ANIMALS ON THE PROPERTY THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE DEAR AFTER OPERATING IF WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET APPROVED. AS TESTIFIED PROVIDED ON THE RECORD THERE ARE NO SPECIES OF SPECIAL CONCERN ON THE PART IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. I WAS IN THE ENTIRE LIFE I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE 
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MARCHING BAND AT NIGHT BUT I KNOW THAT'S ANNOYING TO PEOPLE I PROMISE YOU WILL NOT HAVE MARCHING BANDS IN THE PARKING LOT OR LOUDSPEAKERS BLASTING FRIDAY NIGHT COMPETING WITH FESTIVITIES AT BARTRAM TRAIL HIGH SCHOOL. SO CRACKING BETS , HEARING THE BANDS HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IS A COMMUNITY THING THAT , WE WILL NOT HAVE BANDS OR HIGHLIGHTS OR LOUD ANNOUNCEMENTS. I APPRECIATE THE PHONE CALLS I HAD WITH FOLKS INCLUDING THE GENTLEMEN WHO CAME UP HERE. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS. I WILL GO TO A LIST IN A SECOND TO FURTHER THE MANURE COMMENT. HIS TEAM GIVE US A LIST OF PROPERTIES. NOW WE ARE PLAYING REAL ESTATE AGENT. HERE'S THREE OTHER PROPERTIES , WE LOVE THE PROPERTY EVEN TESTIFIED BUT GO OVER THERE FIND A NEW SET OF PROBLEMS IN ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY DID RESEARCH FOUND PROPERTY AND WE DO DUE DILIGENCE RESEARCH, I SENT TO COUNTY STAFF WE HAD GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I SAT DOWN IN PERSON TO VET THIS AND LOOK IT OVER, LEX GAVE ME THE EMAIL WHO SAID YOU WOULD BE TRADING ONE-FOR-ONE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, SMALL AMOUNTS OF UPLAND ON ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES WITH RESIDENTS NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THINGS LIKE ACCESS ISSUES. FLOODPLAINS THE ENTIRE AREA HAS THE SAME ISSUES BUT THAT IS 101 WE LIKE YOU BUT GO AWAY. I WANT TO GO THROUGH A LIST NOW AND I THINK THIS IS SOME OF THE MOST CREDIBLE EVIDENCE. I'M GOING TO THIS SCREEN HERE PLEASE THANK YOU. 
          >> I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION AND I WILL GO OVER THIS AND ENTER THIS IN THE RECORD. I WENT TO THE ADJACENCY VECTORS WHERE HELD TO A HIGH STANDARD WHEN WE COME IN FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USE WE ARE HELD TO A HIGH STANDARD WHAT ARE YOUR IMPACTS ARE THEY AFFECTING THE ADJACENT USE? IT CAN BE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. THAT EXACT PUD IN 2013 LIKE WE ARE ASKING CONTEMPLATED ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT AND ADJACENT YEARS AND I WILL CITE SOME THINGS HIGHLIGHTED HERE FOR THE RECORD. 
          THIS IS FROM THE ORDINANCE NEXT DOOR, THE PUD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. CONTEMPLATES THE SITE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SHOPPING AND BUSINESS FRANKLIN OPPORTUNITY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES CHURCHES SCHOOLS PARKS AND THAT'S NOT LIMITED TO THE RETENTION AND WETLAND AREAS SCENIC EDGES WILL SERVE AS A BUFFER FROM THE DEVELOPMENT FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY. NEXT AREA. THE DEVELOPER SAID THEY ARE DEFINED IN A CONFINED SPACE SOUNDS LIKE A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. IT HAD TO INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT EDGES AND BUFFERS NEAR MAJOR ROADWAYS AND MY UNDERLINED AREA WILL OFFER RESIDENTS GOOD ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT AND RETAIL CENTERS, SKIN , PARKS AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES. WE ARE 1000% A COMMUNITY AMENITY. CONTINUING ON WITH THAT PUD, A LARGE PERCENT OF THE SITE BE USED FOR SCENIC AND DEVELOPMENT EDGES FOR BUFFERING AND TRANSITIONAL ZONES TO ADDRESS COMPATIBILITY WITH CURRENT ADJACENT LAND-USE. WHAT IS ALLOWED IN RESOLUTION TWO, USE. NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES THIS IS A GOOD ONE. ALTHOUGH NOT IN THE BOUNDARY CONSISTENT WITH THE COVERAGE UPON POLICY PROVIDING FOR OVERALL GOAL OF 112 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT WITHIN THE PROJECT WILL BE OFFSET AS A RESULT OF SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE ACTIVITIES IN THE VICINITY THAT'S CONTEMPLATING ADJACENT COMMERCIAL USE. 
          CONTINUING ON FOR PARKS THE EASTERNMOST PARK IT IS IRREFUTABLE THAT IS A BONA FIDE PARK I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE TOT LOT OR CLEARED BY AN IT IS A PARK WITH CHILDREN'S ACTIVITY AREA ADJACENT TO THE CUL-DE-SAC. I WILL WRAP UP COMPATIBILITY BEAUTY A CONDITION WHICH LAND-USE CAN COEXIST OVER TIME SUCH THAT NO USE IS UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY ANOTHER USE. PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA AND THE USE ON THE PROPERTY THOSE INCLUDE RESOLUTION B AND THE PROPOSAL. 
          FINALLY IT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS NOR BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITION PROPERTIES ARE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT CONTEMPLATED POTENTIAL USE 
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ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL B. I KNOW YOU CANNOT SEE IT BUT THIS IS A EXCERPT FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ZONING SECTION. 
          I WILL ENTER THIS INTO THE RECORD. I WILL READ IT. THIS IS CITED FROM THE LAND "A LOT OF USE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED MOBILE HOMES CHILD AND ADULT CARE. SPECIAL CARE HOUSING LEVEL ONE ASSISTED, CEMETERIES AND MAUSOLEUMS , HORSES AND PONIES, HOUSEHOLD ANIMALS AND OTHER ANIMALS, MOBILE HOME FOR SALE, CIVIL CULTURE HORTICULTURE AQUACULTURE CROP PEDESTRIAN LAND PASSIVE OUTDOOR RECREATION LIVESTOCK BEEKEEPING HORSES PONIES AND OTHER ANIMALS ORCHIDS I CAN GO ONE. LET'S GO ON AND FINALIZE. ALLOWED BY RIGHT PRIVATE CLUBS, DUDE RANCH THE RIDING ACADEMY, WILDLIFE PRESERVES COME OUTDOOR EVENT, OUTDOOR ARENAS LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS SCHOOLS FOR CONVENTIONAL ACADEMICS CHILD AND ADULT DAYCARE COMMUNITY CENTERS, CHURCHES AND SYNAGOGUES PRIVATE CLUBS PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES WITH AND WITHOUT LIGHTED FIELDS AND COURT. THOSE ARE USES BY RIGHT. OUR USES ARE LOW TRAFFIC GENERATED THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO GENERATE 79 PEAK HOUR TRIPS 79 THAT'S IT. ON A ROADWAY THAT HAS CAPACITY OPERATING AT OKAY LEVEL OF SERVICE WE HAVE PROVEN WE WON'T HAVE LIGHTING IMPACTS, WE WON'T HAVE NOISE IMPACTS BECAUSE OF THE SCREENING WALL AND CONCESSION TO DO ENCLOSED BUILDING THAT WE CAN ROLL UP THE DOORS FOR LIGHT AND AIR MOVEMENT. HOUSE OPERATION IS INCLUDED AND I WANTED TO BRING STEFFI UP TO TALK ABOUT HER VISION AND I WANT HER TO SPEAK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE OF THIS SO WE CAN PUT THAT TO REST. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THE CODE THE PERMIT SUMMARY FROM THE BEACH TO USE DARK HORSE IN THE FUTURE IF IT WERE APPROVED BUT I WANT TO DESCRIBE HER VETTING PROCESS AND VISION TO EXPLAIN HOW NEIGHBORHOOD CENTRIC THIS IS AND HOW NICHE THIS IS COMPARED TO OTHER USES IN THE AREA. WOULD YOU PLEASE COME ON UP? 
          >> I WANT TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO THE TURF FIELD AS I KNOW IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AS TO WHY. I FOR GRAPEFRUIT COALFIELDS THERE TWO NFL SIZE FIELDS OUT THERE. PLANTATION PARK USED TO BE ONE NOW THEY HAVE TWO FIELDS I USUALLY RUN SPRINTS OUT THERE ON MONDAY AND A CA COACH EVERY DAY AND HE HAS A LITTLE SECTION 20 YARD WITH CONES AND DRILLS, I HAVE SEEN HIM ENOUGH EVERY MONDAY I'M LIKE COME RUN WITH US JOIN IN AND HE SAID I CANNOT MOVE IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG DAY FOR ME, HE CANNOT LEAVE THAT AREA OF THE TURF TO TRAIN THE CLIENTS BECAUSE IT IS FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. I WAS LIKE THAT KIND OF SUCKS SO I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND MY NEPHEW WAS PRACTICING FOOTBALL AT 6:00 SHOW UP SURE ENOUGH HE IS STILL THERE STILL COACHING AND THE KIDS WERE LOOKING AT HIM AND I THOUGHT PARTNERING WITH COACHES LIKE THAT AND THE COOL THING ABOUT GROWING UP HERE A LOT OF COACHES I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH ANOTHER COACHING, MY NEPHEW'S FOOTBALL TEAM AND WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH COACHES TO PROVIDE SPACE THAT HAS PRIVACY ACCESSIBILITY SAFETY, KIDS ARE ON DIRT BIKES WHILE KIDS ARE PRACTICING SO THEY CAN PERFECT THEIR SPORT IT IS ONE-ON-ONE AS THE VIDEOS PLAYED MY ENTIRE LIFE I WISH I HAD ACCESS TO THIS AND KIDS ARE SPECIALIZING WHEN THEIR FIVE OR SIX YEARS OLD , SEVEN YEARS OLD. I SEE THE KIDS THAT ARE WITH THE COACHES AND THEIR PARENTS WANT THEM TRAINING YEAR-ROUND SO TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT IS SHIELDED BECAUSE I DID LISTEN AT THE HEARING AND I THOUGHT OKAY I NEED TO COMPROMISE AND CLOSE IT FOR ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SOUND, LIGHTING, I WANT TO BE A ASSET TO THE COUNTY, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE COUNTIES NEXT ATHLETES AND ANYBODY. SO THAT REASONING IS BECAUSE THE FIELD WILL CATER PRIMARILY NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE YOUTH SPORTS ATHLETE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE MAIN BUILDING WHICH IS FOR ADULTS. I WANTED TO SHED LIGHT ON THAT BECAUSE I 
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KNOW IT HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL BUT THERE'S TONS OF FIELDS AND I'M NOT COMPETING I AM PRIVATIZING SO COACHES CAN RUN A SMALL BUSINESS AND UTILIZE MY SPACE TO KEEP GOING SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO STAY AT A FIELD 14 HOURS TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT SHEDS SOME LIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY THANK YOU. WITH THAT I WILL BE TIMELY AND WRAP UP. WE HAVE ENTERED A LOT OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD WE FEEL THIS IS A REALLY GOOD USE WITH A HOMEGROWN PROPRIETOR WITH A VISION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGAIN NOT A BIG MEGA GYM SO WE PLEDGED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO DO THAT AND YOU KNOW WE ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER MORE 
          QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          >> SORT OF A GENERAL QUESTION ON THE AGE GROUP , WHAT IS THE AGE 
          GROUP THAT YOU ARE TARGETING? >> THE AGE GROUP, SO THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS FITNESS FACILITY THE MAIN BUILDING WILL BE ADULTS AND IT CAN BE FROM THREE TO ADULTS ON THE TURF FIELD. 
          >> FOR THE GYM FOR THE MEANS FACILITY 16 AND UP YOU CAN BIKE FROM BARTRAM OR CREEKSIDE WHICH TO ME IS IMPORTANT AS MY COUSIN IS THE HEAD BASKETBALL COACH FOR BARTRAM AND SHE SAID SOME HIGH SCHOOLERS USE THE FIELDS FOR NOT GOOD THINGS SO I WANT THE PLACE TO BE A SAFE SPACE FOR THOSE KIDS TO GET OVER THERE. THE INDOOR BUILDING WITH THE TURF FIELD, IT COULD BE ANY , MAYBE FIVE I WAS OUT AT THE FIELDS AND THEY HAD A GUY WHO WAS STAYING READY FOR THE NFL. COULD BE ANYBODY BUT IT IS FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HOLISTICALLY SPEAKING WHY I WANT TO DO THIS, THAT SERVES A HUGE DEMAND THAT I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CATERS TO A LOT OF THESE KIDS AND I KNOW I 
          CAN DO THAT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> SICKLY ALL AGE GROUPS FROM OLD SCHOOL AGE GROUPS TO DO 
          FACILITIES. >> YES SIR FAMILIES STUDENT ATHLETES AND PROFESSIONAL TRAINING. 
          >> OKAY I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I THOUGHT SO I JUST WANTED TO 
          CLEAR UP. >> MISS SPIEGEL. 
          >> ALL RIGHT SO I WANT TO REITERATE , NO COMPETITION , NO BULLHORNS OR WHISTLES OR BATS, NO BLEACHERS. NO PLACE FOR FANS TO SIT AND CHEER. I THINK THAT THIS IS A BENEFIT TO OUR COUNTY. 
          I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO ARE INVOLVED, I AM NOT AN ATHLETE. I REALLY ADMIRE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN FROM BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PRACTICE. SO EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A PRIVATE PLACE IT WILL OPEN UP OTHER AREAS AND I THINK IT MEETS THE NEED. CONCERNS ON THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN. FOR ME IT'S LETTER OF THE LAW VERSUS SPIRIT WHAT IS THE INTENTION WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO KEEP OUT AND I DON'T KNOW KEEPING OUT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS, IT LISTENED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT. IF I LIVED OFF OF 210 I WOULD BE WEARY , LIVING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION IS WEARY, I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY'S INVOLVEMENT AND THAT YOU ARE LISTENING TO THEM AND MAKING CHANGES. ALWAYS A GOOD THING. 
          SO, DISTANCE FROM WORTHINGTON PUD AND THE ACTUAL BUILDING TO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH THAT IS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT ON 
          THIS PICTURE. >> I WILL GO WITH A LOT. 
          >> FOR THE EVENT 195 FEET WHICH IS THE NEAREST IT JASON USE. AND THEY ARE ALL SEPARATED BY CONSERVATION LENS. EVERYBODY BUILDS ON THE UPLAND AND THE ENTIRE AREA OF NORTHWEST SECTOR OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, YOU BUILD ON THE POCKET YOU HAVE FRIENDS WETLAND IMPACTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS PUT IN THE PRESERVE. TOO EXPENSIVE TO BUILD IN THE WETLANDS AND NOT RIGHT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, GENERALLY SPEAKING NO DIFFERENT FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WITH PROTECTED WETLANDS AND CONSERVATION AREAS IN THE SAME THING THEY SET ASIDE A LOT AND 
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IN CONSERVATION THOSE ARE ACTING AS A LOT OF ELBOWROOM. SPIKE ACROSS THE STREET IS PUBLIC SCHOOL PROPERTY, THERE COULD BE A SCHOOL THERE SOMEDAY AND THAT IS MORE IMPACTFUL. I DON'T, I THINK THIS IS A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY AND I DO UNDERSTAND NEIGHBOR CONCERNS BUT I THINK YOU HAVE ADDRESSED AS MUCH OF THAT IS POSSIBLE AND THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN SAYS. YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE WAYS TO MITIGATE FOR THOSE INCOMPATIBLE USES AND YOU ADDRESS THAT, I REALLY HAVE THOUGHT, I TALKED TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE AND I REALLY THINK THAT THE GOOD OUTWEIGHS THE CONCERNS AND I THINK THE CONCERNS ARE BEING ADDRESSED. OF COURSE NOTHING IS PERFECT AND THINGS WILL HAPPEN. 
          >> I CAN SPEAK FOR THE SORENSON FAMILY AND THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IT WILL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THERE'S SOME CONCERN THEY HAVE THEY COULD COME OVER TO THE FACILITY AND TALK LIKE NEIGHBORS LIKE NEIGHBORS SHOULD AND ADDRESS THINGS THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT. THAT MIGHT EVEN BE CAN WE ADD ONE MORE TREE OR TWO MORE TREES IN THE BUFFER BECAUSE LITTLE THINGS GO A LONG WAY NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR. 
          >> YES EXACTLY WE HAD A HUGE THING BUILT NEXT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD , THAT'S HOW I STARTED IN THIS WORLD AND NOBODY WANTS IT. IT IS SO NICE, LEAVE IT HOW IT IS BUT THAT IS NOT A GUARANTEE UNFORTUNATELY. LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> REAL QUICK COULD YOU PULL UP THE MAP SHOWING THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES? 
          >> YES SIR. 
          >> OKAY, COME ON. IS THAT GOOD? >> THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT ON 
          THE PACKAGE >> THAT IS A STAFF REPORT 
          GRAPHIC. >> I'M LOOKING AT A DOTTED LINE BETWEEN GREENBRIER AND THE PROPERTY. THAT RUNS UP INTO WORTHINGTON PUD. IS THAT DOTTED LINE ACCESS ROAD? 
          >> THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAILS THAT WERE DONE FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE SCARS IN THE LAND WERE USED FOR THE PIT AND CONSTRUCTION ACCESS TO THIS AREA PREVIOUSLY FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SOME US OF A CULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL BUT THE MAJORITY WAS BUILDING STORM WATER PONDS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SO ALL THE SCARS WERE FOR TRAIL ROADS SOME UTILITY EASEMENTS BUT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU SEE IS REALLY LAND HEALING FROM THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION FROM 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO IN THE AREA WHEN THEIR BUILDING AND USING THE PITS FOR DIRT THAT WAS NEEDED IN 
          THE STORM WATER PONDS. >> THE PROPERTY BEHIND YOU 
          CLEARED ACROSS THE PITS >> THAT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY. 
          >> UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE ONLY ACCESS THROUGH THAT ACCESSIBLE? 
          >> THERE IS NO ROAD. IT IS A DIRT TRAIL . THERE'S REALLY NO ACCESS BESIDES THE MAIN ROAD INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ANY ACCESS IN PERPETUITY FOR STORM WATER POND THAT IS NEEDED BUT THAT IS NOT MEANT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC USE FOR ANY PURPOSE. FOR 
          COMMUNITIES. >> ANY IDEA ON THE MEMBERSHIP 
          PROJECTION ? >> I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          WE KNOW LIKE THE OCCUPANCY EQUIVALENCY WHAT IT IS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND YOU HAVE TO ROTATE THROUGH AND THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING IS RIGHT SIZED, TWO STORIES BUT WE HAVE KIND OF THE OPEN AREA LOOKING DOWN TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE PURPOSE IS BUILT FOR LIGHT AND AIR AND SPACE INDOORS SO WHEN YOU WORK OUT YOU CAN LOOK INTO THE FACILITY AND IT IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT INTERIOR DESIGN SPACE AND PLAN. 
          >> BASQUE BALL, TOO? >> SO. 
          >> YOU BROUGHT UP THE TEAM AND THE COACHES ARE THE COACHES REQUIRED TO HAVE MEMBERSHIP AS WELL AS TEAM MEMBERS THEMSELVES? 
          >> I WANT TO CLARIFY, THOSE COACHES ARE YOU TO THE TURF 
          FIELD , THAT BUILDING? >> ANYWHERE. 
          >> IT WOULD BE ONE-ON-ONE CLIENTS OR SMALL GROUP TRAINING AND BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF GETTING THIS APPROVED HAVE NOT 
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GONE TO CERTAIN COACHES YET TO MAKE THE PROPOSAL BUT IT WOULD BE RENTING SPACE OR COMING ON AS A FULL-TIME COACH FOR ME. THERE WOULD BE NO TEAMS OR COACHES. IT WOULD JUST BE PEOPLE THAT JOIN WHO ARE MEMBERS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          >> YOU HAVE ANSWERED A NUMBER OF OTHER QUESTIONS LIKE LIGHTING AND SITE COVERAGE. I WISH WE WOULD'VE HAD INFORMATION PRIOR 
          THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A BIG HELP >> YES SIR. 
          >> MR. GREEN? >> A LITTLE BIT OF FOLLOW-UP , FIRST OF ALL I WAS LIKE TO SEE THE NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBORHOODS GET INVOLVED AND ASK QUESTIONS. I FEEL YOU HAVE ANSWERED 90% OF THEIR ISSUES. AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BUILT THINGS BEFORE WITH OUTDOOR LIGHTING FOR PARKING LOT HAS TO BE ENGINEERED SO IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IS BASICALLY INDOORS, ALL THE LIGHTING. WE NEED A STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY LIKE THIS, I THINK IT IS GREAT. IF THAT CAME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS. I THINK IT IS FANTASTIC, KEEPS THE KIDS OFF THE STREET, KEEPS THEM FOCUSED, WEARS THEM OUT FOR MOM AND DAD AT NIGHTTIME, PLUS OLDER GUYS LIKE ME NEED TO TRY TO STAY IN SHAPE SO I AM READY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          >> SURE, WE MIGHT HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          >> ANYWAY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM RECOMMENDING THIS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GET THE OTHER CONCERNS THEY HAVE WORKED OUT. I THINK YOU ANSWERED 90% OF THE CONCERNS. 
          >> IF THERE ARE ANY WE WILL WORK WITH JOE AND OTHERS TO BUTTON UP THE TEXT AND STAFF TO BUTTON OF THE TEXT AND WRITTEN DESCRIPTION TO MAKE SURE IT IS CODIFIED AS A FOLLOW-UP. 
          >> THERE ARE CONCERNS AND I GET IT. YOU ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S COMING NEXT DOOR I DON'T SEE THIS IS A NOISE ISSUE OR TRAFFIC ISSUE, PROBABLY HAVE OF THEM WILL JOIN HOPEFULLY WILL JOIN THE CLUB WHEN IT GETS OPEN. THANK YOU. 
          >> MAYBE JUST AN OBSERVATION. AS I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION , I THINK IT IS , THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT WILL BE MADE HERE IS SIZABLE AND IT SUGGESTS, IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE A VIABLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IT IS GOING TO NEED A STRONG AND LARGE MEMBERSHIP BASE . SO I FEEL THAT THE CATCHMENT AREA IS GOING OUT TO BE QUITE LARGE, BUT WE ARE CONSTRAINED IN REVIEW BY THE VAGUENESS OF WHAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT IS A COMMERCIAL AND WHAT IS A REGION SO THAT IS AN OBSERVATION, YOU DON'T NEED TO REACT AT ALL, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND IN CONSIDERING THIS I UNDERSTAND CHANGES WILL BE MADE AND SINCE THE WRITTEN PROPOSAL TO THE OUTDOOR OR THE INDOOR OUTDOOR TURF FIELD , SO THAT'S ALL THAT I FEEL I WANTED TO 
          SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU AND MR. LABANOWSKI. 
          >> ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. YOU ARE RESTRICTING YOURSELF TO TWO 
          USES FOR THE PUD? >> YES OR AS OPPOSED TO WHAT? 
          >> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. WANT TO OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. >> READY FOR THE MOTION. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2025-01 DARK HORSE BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT LISTED IN THE 
          REPORT . >> SECOND. 
          >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND. TO SEE THE RENDERINGS IS PRETTY COOL IT'S A COOL IDEA HAVE A YOUNG SON WHO IS INTO FLAG FOOTBALL, WE GO TO ABOVE ATHLETICS SO IT'S A SIMILAR CONCEPT BUT YOURS LOOKS A LOT BETTER. I'M GLAD IT WAS NOT DECKED OUT IN BLUE. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING UP HERE AND PRESENTING. WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          >> AFTER WE DO THE VOTE DO YOU CARE TO PUT ON THE RECORD WHERE THE DARK HORSE MONIKER CAME FROM? 
          >> LET'S VOTE FIRST >> IT MIGHT CHANGE THE VOTE 
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MAYBE THIS IS INFORMATION WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR BEFORE WE 
          VOTE. >> GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE 
          VOTE PLEASE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. >> I WILL BE VERY BRIEF, DARK HORSE ORIGINATED , I WALKED ON AT FLORIDA FOR COLLEGE BASKETBALL AND ON THE FIRST DAY OF PRACTICE THE COACH DID NOT CALL MY NAME, SHE FORGOT I WAS THERE AND I ENDED UP STARTING EVERY GAME AND BECAME TEAM CAPTAIN 'S I WAS KIND OF THE DARK HORSE ON MY TEAM AND I GOT INTO BROADCASTING SCHOOL AND HAVE BEEN WITH ESPN TENURES. MY LIFE IN A WAY HAS BEEN A DARK HORSE AND I WANT TO HELP THESE KIDS OUT HERE. EVERY AGE HONESTLY WE, HEALTH AND WELLNESS IS EVERYTHING SO THANK YOU FOR 
          [5. REZ 2025-10 Epic-Cure Warehouse. Request to rezone approximately 0.90 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Commercial Warehouse (CW) with conditions to provide consistent zoning across the overall 2.82 acre property, located at the intersection of South Homes Boulevard and State Road 312.]
VOTING THINK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HIM REPRESENTATION. 
          >> VERY NOBLE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> ITEM NUMBER FIVE ANY EX PARE? MR. LABANOWSKI. 
          >> I VISITED THE SITE. >> MISS SPIEGEL? 
          >> SITE VISIT. >> MR. GREEN? AND MR. OLSON? 
          >> CHRISTINA EVANS MATTHEW STACY , SEVEN WALDEN STREET SAINT AUGUSTINE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE HOLMES BOULEVARD STATE ROAD 312 INTERSECTION . SO HERE WITH ME TODAY IS COFOUNDER AND IS HERE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GOALS AND THE NEED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO CONTINU THE MISSION. 
          >> GOT MY NOTECARDS. >> SO, THANK YOU FOR SEEING US MY NAME IS KENT MULFORD COFOUNDER OF EPIC CURE. WE STARTED THE CHARITY IN 2018, A FOOD RESCUE AND DISTRIBUTION CHARITY. WE CURRENTLY PROCESS 1 MILLION POUNDS OF FOOD EVERY MONTH AND WE FEED THE FOOD TO THE FOOD INSECURE IN THE COMMUNITY. ABOUT 50% IS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE OTHER 50% OR SO IS PUTNAM COUNTY, DUVAL COUNTY AND FLAGLER COUNTY. WE WERE MOVED TO DO THIS IN 2018 WHEN WE DISCOVERED THAT APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40% OF THE FOOD PRODUCED IN THIS COUNTRY IS WASTED. IT LANDS IN LANDFILLS AND WE WERE STAGGERED BY THIS AND WE DISCOVERED ONE IN SIX PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES IS FOOD INSECURE LITERALLY WE WERE THROWING AWAY THE SOLUTION TO FOOD INSECURITY. THAT BOTHERED US AND WE STARTED. SO, SINCE OUR FIRST FOOD DISTRIBUTION OF 2000 POUNDS OF FOOD IN MAY 2019 WE ARE NOW UP TO 1 MILLION POUNDS ON AVERAGE, PER MONTH OF FOOD DISTRIBUTED TO AROUND 2000 FAMILIES, THAT SHOULD BE ABOUT 6000 PEOPLE. WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WE DO THIS WITH AN ALL VOLUNTER ARMY. THIS IS HOW MUCH WE PAY IN SALARY, THIS IS HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE. ZERO. THIS IS A CHARITY THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE HEART, THE HEART OF MY WIFE AND ME AND EVERYONE, 330 VOLUNTEERS WHO DRESS UP EVERY DAY TO PLAY AND THEY PLAY HARD AND THEY PLAY WELL, A SELF-SELECTED GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE SOME VOLUNTEERS WHO VOLUNTEER 40 OR 50 HOURS PER WEEK THEY ARRIVED AT THE WAREHOUSE IS AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING FOR REAL, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THERE IS AN AWFUL LOT OF GOOD WE'RE DOING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE FINDING FEDERAL CUTS HAVE MADE A TERRIBLE IMPACT, ORIGINAL IMPACT WAS AROUND REDUCED SNAP AND BENEFITS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MOST NEEDY AND POVERTY IS THE BIGGEST PREDICTOR OF FOOD INSECURITY IN ANY COMMUNITY. THE , THE NEED HAS ONLY GROWN FROM OUR COMMUNITY HAS GROWN IN POPULATION AND WITH IT HAS GROWN FOOD INSECURITY AND THE NEED AROUND THAT, SNAP BENEFITS BEING REDUCED MEANS THERE IS MORE THAT IS NECESSARY TO BE DONE AND RIGHT THIS MINUTE, RIGHT NOW THE USDA HAS JUST ABOUT CUT ALL OF ITS COMMODITY PURCHASE PROGRAMS. THEY ARE DOWN 73% IN THE FOOD THEY HAVE DISTRIBUTED TO US TO GIVE AWAY TO PEOPLE, 72%, THEY WERE OUR SECOND LARGEST SUPPLIER 
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OF FOOD, FIRST LARGEST SUPPLIER OF FOOD IS A VERY LARGE FOOD BANK BASED IN JACKSONVILLE CALLED FEEDING NORTHEAST FLORIDA PART OF A FEEDING AMERICA NETWORK AND HAVE BEEN VERY VOLATILE IN THE FOOD DONATIONS AS WELL SO WHY DO I BRING THIS UP WHILE THE NEED IS RISING SUPPLY IS FALLING AND THE WAY WE HAVE REACTED TO THAT IS WE HAVE REACTED , WE HAVE SOUGHT ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF FOOD , WE WILL COLLECT FOOD FROM FARMS , WE WILL SUPPLY FOOD TO FARMS, FOOD THAT IS NOT EDIBLE GOES TO FEED THE PIGS WE DO NOT WASTE ANY FOOD IF WE CAN POSSIBLY HELP IT. WITH THIS REDUCTION WE FIND THAT ALTERNATIVE SOURCES ARE REALLY KEY AND ONE THE BEST WAYS TO GET FOOD IN THE KINDS OF VOLUMES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO FEED 6000 HUMAN BEINGS EVERY WEEK IS TO UTILIZE SEMI TRUCKS. THERE ARE MANY MANY LOADS OF FOOD THAT ARE TAKEN TO PUBLIX OR WINN-DIXIE AND THEIR REJECTED , THEIR REJECTED PERHAPS THEY ARE TOO CLOSE TO EXPIRATION DATE BUT IT COULD BE DAMAGED CONTAINERS IN THE SEMITRUCK SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS A TRUCK DRIVER THEN HAS A CHOICE AND USUALLY THE CHOICE IS TO TAKE THE FOOD TO THE DUMP AND DUMP IT INTO THE LANDFILL ESSENTIALLY CREATING A LOT OF METHANE GAS AND A LOT OF DRAG ON THE ENVIRONMENT AS A RESULT. THEY CAN GO DELIVER TO PLACE LIKE EPIC CURE TO DO THAT EPRICURE USED TO PROCESS QUICKLY, EVERY TRUCK DRIVER HAS A ROUTE THAT IT HAS TO MEET WITH DEADLINES AND THEY ONLY HAVE SO MANY HOURS IN THE DAY THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DRIVE SO WHAT THEY END UP DOING IS QUICK DECISIONS TYPICALLY GO TO THE LANDFILL OR GO TO A PLACE LIKE EPRICURE BECAUSE EPRICURE MAY HAVE THE FACILITIES TO KNOW THE TRUCKS IN A TIMELY FASHION. WE ARE BUILDING A WAREHOUSE AT 450 SOUTH HOLMES, THE WAREHOUSE WILL HAVE DOCK HEIGHT DELIVERY BASE WHERE WE CAN OF SEMI TRUCKS BACKUP AND BE UNLOADED IN 15 MINUTES. WE HAVE THE INCENTIVE IN THAT STRUCTURE TO ACHIEVE PARITY OR BETTER IN TERMS OF THE FOOD WE TAKE IN AND THEREFORE PARITY OR BETTER IN TERMS OF THE FOOD WE GIVE OUT TO THE PEOPLE OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, OF PALATKA , OF FLAGLER COUNTY AND DUVAL COUNTY AS WELL. SO WHAT WE ARE HERE TO ASK IS FOR THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY FACILITATE SEMI TRUCKS, MAYBE ONE OR TWO, AT MOST THREE IN A GIVEN WEEK, BUT IN A WAY THAT IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN REDUCING FOOD INSECURITY AND THE DRAG ON LANDFILLS IS REDUCED, REDUCING FOOD INSECURITY ALSO HAS SOCIALLY BETTER ADAPTER, PEOPLE WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY BETTER OFF. 
          YOU HAVE LESS OF A PROBLEM IN THE ER'S. HEALTHCARE IS LESS AFFECTED, THE SOCIAL , ECONOMIC AND HEALTH OUTCOMES OF FOOD SECURE PERSON VERSUS FOOD INSECURE , YOU CUT OFF DIABETES TYPE II, YOU CUT OFF ADHD , YOU CUT OFF COPD, YOU CUT OFF ALL KINDS OF DISEASES THAT ARE CHRONIC AND ASSOCIATED DIRECT WITH FOOD INSECURITY. SO WE ARE HERE TO TRY TO MEET THE INCREASE DEMAND IN THE BEST WAY WE KNOW HOW AND THAT IS TO HAVE THE VARIANCE WE ARE ASKING FOR APPROVED SO WE CAN ALLOW FOR THE EFFICIENT AND SAFE USE OF THE PROPERTY TO PROVIDE MORE AND MORE FOOD TO THE MORE FOOD INSECURE THAT WE SEE IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. 
          >> SO, EPRICURE OWNS ALMOST 3 ACRES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT BUT A LITTLE LESS THAN ONE ACRE IS PART OF THE REZONING APPLICATION. THE NORTHERN PORTION HAS CW ZONING . IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT BUT THE MAIN PARCEL HAS A FUNKY SHAPE AND SPLIT ZONING SO THEY RECENTLY ACQUIRED THOSE CENTRAL PARCELS AND THOSE ARE PART OF THE REZONING REQUEST BUT HAVING THE OTHER PARCELS WILL GIVEN A BETTER FUNCTIONAL FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SITE WHEN DEVELOPING SO THE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MIXED USE, THE ZONING IS OPEN 
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WORLD. REQUEST IS COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE TO MATCH THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE NORTHERN END OF THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH SURROUNDING AREA WITH AMPLE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ZONING TO THE NORTH , WEST AND SOUTH LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF HOLMES BOULEVARD AND STATE ROAD 312 WITH MAJOR ROADWAYS AND ACQUISITION OF A LOT OF THE PROPERTY HERE WITH CONSTRUCTION CHANGING THE AREA TO COMMERCIAL. 
          SO THE CW ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH MIXED-USE LAND-USE DISTRICT AND THE USE CLASSIFICATION PERMITTED IN THE LAND-USE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USE INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE PERMITTED ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, CW ZONING, THERE IS A PROPOSED RV BOAT STORAGE , IW TO THE NORTH OF THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOLMES, MINI WAREHOUSING TO THE SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 312. THIS QUALIFIES AS INFILL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT AREA NOT PROMOTING URBAN SPRAWL, SUPPORT THE COMPACT LAND-USE , BALANCED GROWTH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT THE MAJOR ROADWAYS WITH SEMI TRUCKS ONLY A FEW EVERY WEEK BUT A GREAT LOCATION FOR THIS. THE EXTENSION OF COUNTY ROAD 312 IN THE FUTURE NORTH MAKES IT APPROPRIATE FOR THESE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE USES. I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> THIS IS A REALLY GREAT THING WE ARE HEARING ABOUT THAT EPRICURE DOES. THAT AREA NOW HAS INTENSE TRAFFIC. IT IS HARD TO MANEUVER ON AND OUT OF THE PROPERTIES. ALONG IT. I WAS INTERESTED IN HEARING HOW MUCH ACTIVITY COME I UNDERSTAND ONLY THREE LARGE TRUCKS , ABOUT THREE LARGE TRUCKS A WEEK SO YOU WON'T HAVE CLIENTS COMING TO PICK UP FOOD , YOUR CLIENT BASE WILL BASICALLY BE WHAT, DISTRIBUTION AND STORAGE WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF ENTITIES COMING ON TO AND OFF? NOT SAYING IT IS INAPPROPRIATE, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU WILL MANAGE THAT . IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC. 
          >> IT WILL BE NO HUMAN BEINGS COMING TO COLLECT FOOD AT THAT SITE OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY THE VOLUNTEERS. A NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS ARE PATRONS , BUT OTHER THAN THEM SHOWING UP TO DO THEIR WORK AND MAYBE GOING HOME WITH GROCERIES THE INTENTION IS TO CONTINUE OUR MOTTO, TO GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WEST AUGENSTEIN AND LINCOLNVILLE AND PLACES LIKE THAT WHERE THE NEED IS MOST DEMONSTRATED CLOSE TO TITLE I SCHOOLS WHERE POVERTY IS THE GREATEST WITH LAWN TERRACE APARTMENTS WE WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITIES IN THE COMMUNITIES. FOLKS THAT RESERVE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR FOOD , THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR GAS OR REPAIRS OR CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WE GO TO 
          THEM. >> OKAY. 
          >> MR. LABANOWSKI? >> COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I NOTICED WHEN I WAS VISITING THE SITE THERE ARE TWO CAMPER TRAILERS IS THAT ON THE PROPERTY OR JUST OFF THE PROPERTY? 
          >> THE SHERIFF HAS CONTACTED ME A NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT THIS SO THERE ARE TWO ENCAMPMENTS ONE IS ON THE PROPERTY WE HAVE POSTED NO TRESPASSING. WE HAD FOLKS TRESPASS OUT BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE ONE CLOSER TO THE ROAD, THE ONE YOU CAN SEE IS NOT 
          OUR PROPERTY. >> THERE WERE TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE. 
          >> THOSE TWO ARE ON THE LITTLE PARCEL THAT IS NOT OUR PROPERTY. 
          >> THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE ACCESS FOR THE WAREHOUSE? 
          >> HOLMES BOULEVARD. >> IS THERE A WAY OF MOVING THE EXCESS? I WAS AT HOLMES BOULEVARD LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE, I PULLED OFF ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND IT TOOK ME 10 MINUTES TO GET BACK ONTO HOMES BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, WHAT ABOUT THE SIDE ROAD THAT COMES IN? CAN THAT BE THE ACCESS 
          POINT? >> THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH D.O.T. OWNS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND ON THE OTHER SIDE BUT THE LITTLE SPUR ON THE SOUTH THAT GOES OUT IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH 
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FOR ACCESS AND THEN GOING SOUTH ALONG THE ROADWAY THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY THE D.O.T. USED FOR CONSTRUCTION BUT IT IS NOT 
          PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> OKAY IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET CLEARANCE TO USE THAT AS THE ACCESS POINT? 
          >> WE COULD ASK. ORIGINALLY WE LOOKED FOR IT BUT LEGALLY NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BUT WE COULD EXPLORE. 
          >> I LOVE THE PROJECT DON'T GET ME WRONG BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN EVEN PEOPLE THAT WILL WORK THERE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF HOMES BOULEVARD RIGHT WHERE THE 312 IS THAT'S A NIGHTMARE. 
          THANK YOU. >> THE EXPANSION OF STATE ROAD 312 IN THE FUTURE TO THE NORTH WILL HELP WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          YES. >> WITH NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BACK TO THE AGENCY PROMOTION. 
          >> EPRICURE WAREHOUSE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE 
          STAFF REPORT >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND I WILL SECOND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION. 
          >> THIS WILL NOT AFFECT MY VOTE BUT IT SAYS WITH CONDITIONS A FEW PLACES AND I WONDER WHAT THE CONDITIONS WERE BESIDES LIVE 
          LOCAL. I TRIED TO REACH OUT. >> THAT WAS IN THE CONDITION. 
          >> OKAY THEN, THANK YOU. >> LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. 
          >> THE MOTION PASSES 50. THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY STAFF REPORTS. >> NO STAFF REPORT MADAM CHAIR. 
          >> AGENCY REQUESTS?
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