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          >>> GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. 
          JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THERE WERE MATERIALS AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDAS AND MINUTES. ONCE YOU BUY THE MEETING AGENDA, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS ALL THE SUPPORT MATERIALS. THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON ANY AGENDA ITEM DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS. LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE ANY EXHIBITS OR PHOTOGRAPHS, PLEASE PROVIDE THEM TO THE CLERK. THIS IS A COMPLETE ROLL CALL FROM THE CLERK OF 
          COURT. >> 
          >> WE WILL STAND FOR INDICATIONS BY THE FIRE RESCUE CHAPLAIN. 
          >> DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR JORGE SALINAS LOST HIS LIFE YESTERDAY IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT , I WAS HOPING WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR MR. SALINAS. PLEASE EVERYBODY JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE, FOR JORGE SALINAS. 
          >> 
          >> MORNING, EVERYONE. I WILL READ A SHORT PASSAGE FROM PSALM 118. THIS IS THE LORD'S DOING. IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES. 
          THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD SAID WE WILL REJOICE AND BE GLAD. OH LORD, I BESEECH THE , SAY NOW PROSPERITY. BLESS HE WHO COMETH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD. LET US BOW OUR HEADS. HEAVENLY FATHER WE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THIS MORNING WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THANKS FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY. RIGHT NOW, BLESS THIS GATHERING. BLESS IT WITH PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WILL KEEP OUR HEARTS IN LINE AND THAT IT WILL BE A PEACEFUL HABITATION AT THIS TIME. WE PRAY FOR THOSE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WOULD LAY YOUR WHOLE HAND UPON THEM, THAT THEY WILL BE GOOD FOR US ALL. THIS COUNTY WILL CONTINUE TO FLOURISH AND BE THE PINNACLE OF COUNTIES IN THE BEST NATION ON PLANET EARTH. WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE GATHERED HERE THAT WE COME AND HEAR THE PROCLAMATIONS THAT GO FORTH. THAT THEY WILL BE BLESSED BY EVERYTHING THAT THEY HEAR. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS, AND YOUR MERCY . AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND ALL THIS, WE ASK, IN THE NAME OF YOUR 
          PRECIOUS SON, JESUS. AMEN. >> NOW BLAIR CRAIG, RETIRED ARMY COLONEL, WILL SAY THE PLEDGE. OF ALL RIGHT. LET'S HAVE CHUCK , A VIETNAM VETERAN , PLEASE? THANK YOU. 
          >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE . I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND 
          JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> OKAY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED , 
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I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL IS HAVING A STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING AND IT IS HERE IN THE BUILDING. IF YOU GO OUT THE FRONT DOOR TO THE LEFT FROM 11:00 UNTIL 12:00 TODAY, THEY 
          [Proclamation Recognizing Domestic Violence Awareness Month]
WOULD LOVE YOUR INPUT ON WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE COUNTY AND HOW YOU THINK THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY COMES UP. SO, NOW WE WILL HAVE OUR PROCLAMATION. 
          >> KELLY FRANKLIN, AND EVERYBODY, PLEASE COME UP. AND , WOULD YOU MIND READING THE PROCLAMATION? 
          >> ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE REMAINS A PREVALENT ISSUE ACROSS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE UNITED STATES, AND THE WORLD, WITH IMPLICATIONS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND COMMUNITY HEALTH AND  SAFETY. AND , WHEREAS ALL PERSONS HAVE A BASIC RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE, ESPECIALLY IN THEIR HOMES, MORE THAN 2000 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE -RELATED LAW ENFORCEMENT REPORTS WERE FILED. ONE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE -RELATED HOMICIDE HAPPENED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAST YEAR. AND WHEREAS, CHILDREN FROM VIOLENT HOMES ARE PHYSICALLY ABUSED OR SERIOUSLY 
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NEGLECTED AT A RATE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND HAVE GREATER RISKS OF ALCOHOL, AND/OR DRUG ABUSE, JUVENILE DELINQUENCY, COGNITIVE AND DEVELOPMENTAL PROBLEMS, AS WELL AS FEAR, ANXIETY, AND GUILT. 
          AND, WHEREAS PUBLIC AWARENESS AND EDUCATION ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARE NEEDED, AS WELL AS UNIFORM EFFORTS ON THE PART OF A GOVERNMENT, HEALTH OFFICIALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATORS, AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS TO ADDRESS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THROUGH PREVENTION, INTERVENTION, AND TREATMENT FOR VICTIMS AND PERPETRATORS. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY , FLORIDA, THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 2020 5B DEDICATED AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. PASSED THIS 7TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2025. 
          >> THANK YOU, SHAYNA AND EVERY YEAR, WE HEAR THOSE NUMBERS AND THEY CONTINUE TO SCARE ME, IT IS IMPORTANT, HOW THE WORK YOU DO FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT IS THE WORK THAT YOU DO IS INVALUABLE, WE ARE JUST SO GRATEFUL AND WE THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS PROCLAMATION. 
          >> WE WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MARY ALICE COLSON, THE FIRST VICTIM-ADVOCATE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FOR HAVING THE VISION OF GATHERING CITIZENS TOGETHER AND FORMING THE BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER, THAT WAS 35 YEARS AGO. STILL TODAY, IT TAKES A COMMUNITY TO KEEP SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SAVE AND HOLD THOSE WHO ARE ABUSED -- ABUSE ACCOUNTABLE. WE HAVE TO THANK THE VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS WHO HAVE TRUSTED US TO WALK WITH THEM ON THEIR HEALING JOURNEY. WE THANK OUR SUPPORTERS, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, ADVOCATES, STAFF, AND VOLUNTEERS WHO KEEP US GOING 24 HOURS A DAY, EVERY DAY, WE THANK ALL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY THE SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THANK YOU TO THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES, THE FAMILY INTEGRITY PROGRAM, THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM, ASCENSION ST. 
          JOHN'S HOSPITAL, AND THE CLERK OF COURTS, A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO ALL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR RECOGNIZING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH AND SUPPORTING THE MISSION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR ALSO SUPPORTING THE MISSIONS OF OTHER NONPROFITS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHO PARTNER TOGETHER AND WORK ENDLESSLY TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFER FOR EVERYONE. WE ASK THAT YOU JOIN US AND HELP RAISE AWARENESS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THIS MONTH BY WEARING PURPLE, CREATING A SAFE SPACE TO TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SHARING INFORMATION. IF YOU, OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS BEING ABUSED, PLEASE CALL THE 24 HOUR HELPLINE OR TEXT AT 904 824-1555. OR FIND MORE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE, THANK YOU AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, FOR RECOGNIZING OCTOBER IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. 
          EVERYONE? THANK YOU. >> AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO 
          [Proclamation Recognizing National 4-H Week]
ASK RICARDO FERNANDEZ TO COME UP. A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS PROUD TO HONOR THE 4-H DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OF THE UNIVERSITY OF 
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FLORIDA, INSTITUTE OF FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES EXTENSION SERVICE OF PROVIDING EVIDENCE-BASED EDUCATION TO YOUTH THROUGHOUT THE SUNSHINE STATE. AND WHEREAS THE FLORIDA 4-H DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM WORKS WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS , OTHER STATE ORGANIZATIONS, AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR, TO SUPPORT POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. WHEREAS THIS PROGRAM, WHICH SEEKS TO PROVIDE LEARNING EXPERIENCES, INCLUDING HEAD, HEART, HANDS, AND HEALTH, HELP YOUTH FORM ATTITUDES THAT ENABLE THEM TO BECOME SELF-DIRECTED, PRODUCTIVE, AND CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF OUR SOCIETY AND WHEREAS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 4-H PROGRAM IS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES DESIGNED AROUND THE FOUR ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS NECESSARY FOR POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT, SUPERVISED INDEPENDENCE, A SENSE OF BELONGING, A SPIRIT OF GENEROSITY TOWARDS OTHERS, AND A WIDE VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO MASTER LIFE CHALLENGES. NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA , WE RECOGNIZE THIS AS NATIONAL 4-H WEEK, PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY,  THIS 7TH DAY OF 
          OCTOBER, 2025. >> IT IS MY HONOR TO RECOGNIZE 4-H WEEK. I LOVE THEIR MOTTO. I LOVE THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE FUN, THEY SET THEIR GOALS FROM THAT. IT IS WONDERFUL. 
          INAUDIBLE ] >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS JULIA CALLIE AND I AM ONE OF TWO 4-H AGENTS. RICKY FERNANDEZ WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY SO I WILL READ A LETTER FROM HIS FATHER. HELLO, JULIA, KELLY, COURTNEY, JUST A NOTE TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR 4-H. RICKY RECEIVED AN ARCHERY SET FOR CHRISTMAS . THE ARCHERY CLUB LED HIM TO THE TEEN LEADERSHIP COUNCIL, AND FROM THERE, THE STATE LEGISLATURE. 
          ANOTHER WONDERFUL LEADERSHIP PROGRAM WITH OPPORTUNITIES. 
          RICKY HAS MADE FRIENDS ALL OVER THE STATE AND HAS GROWN AS A RESULT OF HIS PARTICIPATION. WE CAN SEE THE RESULT OF THIS GROW, AND BE RECOGNIZED BY OTHERS, BUT HE WAS SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUTH LEADERSHIP ST. JOHNS AND NOMINATED FOR BOYS DAY. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU.  RICKY WAS APPOINTED THIS YEAR TO THE STATE PARLIAMENTARIAN. THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE HAVE HAD ON THE FLORIDA STATE 4-H COUNCIL IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. OUR LIFEBLOOD OF OUR PROGRAM IS OUR VOLUNTEERS, AND OUR VOLUNTEERS DELIVER THE PROGRAMMING FOR THE YOUTH. 
          INSTILLING LIFE SKILLS, HELP THEM SET GOALS, AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY YOUTH. THANK YOU. 
          APPLAUSE ] 
          [Acceptance of the Proclamations]
          >> CHAIR , I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION. 
          >> SO MOVED. >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL 
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RIGHT, LET'S GO TO DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? COMMISSIONER MURPHY ? I HAVE NONE AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS NONE. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC 
          COMMENT. >> WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONLY, AT THIS TIME PLEASE STEP TO THE FRONT. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT ON THE 
          [Approval of Consent Agenda]
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THANK NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. 
          [Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda]
          >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT, CHANGES OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA? CHAIRMAN CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST ? COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD ? COMMISSIONER MURPHY? AND I HAVE 
          [Approval of Regular Agenda]
          [Public Comment]
NONE. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. OH NO, WE ARE GOING TO 
          APPROVE IT. >> SO MOVED. 
          >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? 
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          >> AYE. >> OKAY WE WILL NOW HEAR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT SCHEDULED ON TODAY'S AGENDA. COME TO ONE OF THREE PODIUMS, EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WE ASK THAT YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. COMPLY WITH THE BOARD RULES OF CIVILITY AND DECORUM, SPEAKERS MAY NOT DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, NO SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR, REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATIONS OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. ANYONE WHO FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE RULES MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE AUDITORIUM. ANY SPEAKER WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE DISPLAYING MATERIALS, PAPER MATERIALS CAN BE PLAYED -- PLACED, AND A LAPTOP CAMERA WILL BE SET UP FOR ANY USB PRESENTATIONS, PROVIDE THE MATERIALS TO THE STAFF OF CLARK 
          . GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, URBAN BULLET, MISTY COVE ROAD , I AM REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CARE. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THE STATE HAS REJECTED BY LETTER, THE ST. JOHN -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE ARE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED BUT NOT ENTIRELY SURPRISED BY THIS RESPONSE FROM THE STATE. KAREN IS DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE A GREAT DEAL OF COLLECTIVE THOUGHT AND EFFORT WENT INTO IT BY Y'ALL, BY THE CITIZENS, AND INSPIRING PEACEMAKING IN MANY STAKEHOLDERS AND WE FEEL IT WAS A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ADDRESSING OUR HOUSING SITUATION. WE ARE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THE MEANINGFUL GROUNDWORK WAS LAID FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT. TOOLS THAT WILL ENABLE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT WORKFORCE HOUSING AFFORDABLE TO FAMILIES , 80, 60, 50, EVEN 30% OF OUR AREA MEDIAN INCOME . TOOLS THAT WILL ENABLE US TO ENGAGE IN SLOWER, MORE SENSIBLE, MORE PURPOSEFUL GROWTH THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND ALLEVIATE CONGESTION ON THE ROADS. THAT SAID, WE ARE NOT ENTIRELY SURPRISED BY THE STATE'S RESPONSE, BECAUSE WE READ SB 180. WE KNOW THAT THIS ONE , BAD IN OUR OPINION, OUTLIER POSITION WAS ADDED LATE TO AN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS BILL WITH VERY LITTLE GROUP MEETING . IT WAS BURIED IN A MUCH LARGER BILL THAT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY OUR GOVERNOR WITHOUT FULL AWARENESS, OR CONSIDERATION, OF THE BREATH OF THE POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, THIS SITUATION, WHILE UNFORTUNATE, IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? CARE HAS CONSIDERED AND DISCUSSED SB 180 IN OUR UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE STATE RESPONSE AND I THINK WE HAVE COME UP WITH THE BEST WAY FORWARD UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO HAND THE FLOOR TO MY COLLEAGUE, VICKI, TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS VICKI PEPPER . I AM HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CARE. MY HUSBAND'S WEDDING IN THE PARKING LOT, WITH OUR DOG , BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LEAVE IMMEDIATELY TO DRIVE TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA. I TOLD HIM THAT WE NEEDED TO BE HERE BECAUSE OUR UPDATE PLAN IS SO IMPORTANT. TO PICK UP WHERE MY COLLEAGUE LEFT OFF, WE UNDERSTAND THE POSITION OF LAW FOUND IN CHAPTER 2025-190, OF THE LAWS OF FLORIDA, EFFECTIVELY COVERING THE ENTIRE STATE AT THIS TIME. MANY LOCALITIES ACROSS THE STATE HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REJECTED, OR FOUND NONCOMPLIANT WITH THE NEW PROVISION LAW, AT LEAST 25 JURISDICTIONS ARE SUING, LIMITING THE REGULATION OF LAND USE, IN AREAS IMPACTED BY CERTAIN WEATHER EVENTS AS PROVIDED BY THE STATUTE. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE EFFORTS UNDERWAY ACROSS THE STATE TO WORK DURING THE 2026 LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO REPEAL OR AMEND THE PROVISION ENACTED BY SB 180. C.A.R.E. URGES YOU TO ADOPT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT WAS TRANSMITTED, ALONG WITH ANY AMENDMENTS ADOPTED BY OUR COUNTY, WITHOUT REGARD TO THE NEW PROVISION OF LAW, ENACTED BY SB 180. TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS IN THE 2020 LETTER, PLEASE ALSO ADOPT AND ADD A NEW POSITION TO THE UPDATING PLAN . THIS IS A LITTLE LEGALISTIC, BUT I AM GOING TO PROVIDE A COPY FOR THE RECORD. IN LESSON ENTAIL SECTION 28 OF CHAPTER 2025-128, TO RENDER THE OBJECTIONS RAISED IN THE SEPTEMBER 26TH LETTER, JOSEPH , NO LONGER APPLICABLE , 
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OR RENDERED INAPPLICABLE BY THE PROVISION OF TIME, YOUR UPDATE OF THIS COMPANY HAS A PLAN SHALL BE APPLIED IN A MANNER THAT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME, INSTEAD, WHENEVER NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE, THE COUNTY SHALL SUPPLY THE CORRESPONDING PROVISIONS OF THE PREVIOUS GOVERNANCE OF PLAN UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE BASIS FOR OBJECTING TO THE UPDATED PROVISION CITED BY LAURA COMMERCE IS MOVED. AT WHICH POINT, UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , IT MAY BE EVOKED , REGARDLESS. GIVEN OUR NEW PLANS IMPORTANCE TO OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE, PLANS TO MONITOR COUNTY RESPONSE, WITH THE COMMERCE LETTER, AND STATES READY TO ASSIST ANY WAY WE CAN. BUT COUNCILMEMBER URGES YOU TO ADOPT OUR RECOMMENDED APPROACH IS THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT HOME RULE, NOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT YOU, COUNTY STAFF, AND STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE GENERAL PUBLIC, HAVE PUT IN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A STRONG, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WILL BEST MOVE US FORWARD TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MS. PEPPER, SERIOUSLY. 
          >> YOU ARE READY? SPIRIT I AM. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS BLAKE MILLER. I LIVE AT 1107 DARIUS DRIVE, SAN AUGUSTINE BEACH. I AM HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MYSELF AND C.A.R.E., COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY. MY C.A.R.E. 
          COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED OUR CONCERNS ABOUT LOSING THE PROGRESS MADE IN UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOME OTHER IMPORTANT TOOLS THAT C.A.R.E. HAS ADVOCATED, ADDING TO THE COUNTY  AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLKIT, NAMELY YOUR ABILITY TO REDUCE OR WAIVE DEVELOPER IMPACT FEES THAT ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS . WHEN APPROVING A NEW DEVELOPMENT. FIRST, WE THANK THE BOARD, ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER ZVAR WHO MADE THE INITIAL MOTION, AGREEING THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD REDUCE IMPACT FEES BY 50% FOR FAMILIES EARNING 80% OF OUR AREA AND MEDIUM -- MEDIAN INCOME AT OR BELOW. THIS TOOL WILL DEFINITELY HELP. AS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR SAID, DISCUSSING HER EFFORTS TO DIGEST AND ANALYZE, THE LUNCH THE -- LENGTHY REPORT DURING YOUR SEPTEMBER 2ND MEETING, THE OPTION OF FURTHER REDUCING OR WAVING IMPACT FEES ENTIRELY WOULD PROVIDE THE COUNTY A MORE EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT COULD INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE EVEN MORE HOUSING AVAILABLE TO FAMILIES AT LOWER-INCOME LEVELS. FOR THIS REASON, WITH THE REVISION OF THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU FOR FIRST RATING, C.A.R.E. URGES YOU TO TAKE THE ADDITIONAL STEP OF PROVIDING FOR THE WAIVER OF ALL IMPACT FEES ATTRIBUTABLE TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING UNITS, WHEN RENT OR PURCHASE PRICES MAKE THEM ATTAINABLE TO HOUSES, LOSE INCOME, PLACE THEM AT VERY LOW OR EXTREMELY LOW INCOME LEVERS, BASED ON OUR COUNTY'S AMI. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MY C.A.R.E. COLLEAGUE KEN MCLEAN, WHO WILL EXPLAIN, EVEN IF THE NUMBERS ARE LIKELY TO BE MODEST, THE TOOL OF WAVING IMPACT FEES WILL ENABLE ACCOUNTING TO BE BEGIN BUILDING HOUSING STOCK AVAILABLE TO HOUSEHOLD WITH INCOMES IN LOW OR EXTREMELY LOW INCOMES FOR THIS 
          COUNTY. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR? 
          >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. KEN MCLEAN, PO BOX, HASTINGS, FLORIDA. UPDATE , YOU KNOW, ZERO CLEAR. COMMUNITY GROUP? MOST OF US ARE RETIRED. A LOT OF US DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WHAT WAS GOING ON , UNTIL WE STARTED SEEING A DISPARITY IN THE COMMUNITY. THANKS TO MANY OF OUR PUBLIC WORKERS, LIKE BILL LAZZARA, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOUSING AND FINANCE AUTHORITY, OTHER COUNTY MEMBERS AND STAFF , OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HHS WORKED 
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HARD AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK HARD TO EDUCATE OURSELVES ON THE ISSUES OF C.A.R.E. CONCERNS. ONE THING WE LEARNED IMMEDIATELY, THERE ARE A LOT OF INCOME DISPARITY AROUND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. OUR RENTS AND HOME PURCHASE PRICES ARE VERY HIGH AS COMPARED TO MOST OTHER IN FLORIDA. MOST PEOPLE KNOW BY NOW , AS A RESULT, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OTHERS IN OUR WORKFORCE AND SERVICE INDUSTRIES LIKE HOSPITALITY AND HEALTHCARE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. WE HAVE LEARNED, THAT GIVEN EVERY LOCAL CAUSE OF RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION AND INFRASTRUCTURE, IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVIDE HOUSING AT PRICES AFFORDABLE TO HOUSEHOLD. THE LOW OR VERY LOW LEVELS, 50% OF OUR AMI, OR BELOW. PROGRAMS LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ESPECIALLY, WITH ASSISTANCE FROM THE COUNTY, RELATIVE TO DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HELP LOW-INCOME FAMILIES WITH INCOMES BETWEEN 50-80% AND MIKE, IT IS AN INCREASINGLY RARE TALENT TO HELP FAMILIES AT 50% AMI RANGE OR BELOW. WHEN THE COUNTY APPROVES A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE UNDERSTAND IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED SOON . THE 92 PLANNED UNITS, MOST WERE PROJECTED TO BE RENTED AT THE 60% AMI LEVEL. 30% OF AMI LEVELS, WITH IMPACT FEES REDUCED BY 50% FOR ALL WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND 80% OR BELOW, WE PREDICT THAT MOST DEVELOPERS WILL NOT BE INCENTIVIZED, WHO TRIED TO DRIVE DOWN TO 50% AMI OR BELOW. SIMPLY OFFER IT AT 80% , THIS IS AGEIST, ESPECIALLY, WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY HAD PROGRAMS IN A MORE EFFECTIVE LEVEL. 
          >> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. >> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169. THE COMMISSIONER CALLED ME OUT BY NAME TWICE , FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, STATING THAT I WROTE SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK THAT WAS, QUOTE, NOT AT ALL TRUE, UNQUOTE, SO I EMAILED HIM, DEAR MR. ZVAR, CAN YOU TELL ME SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WROTE THAT IS NOT AT ALL TRUE, THANK YOU, SINCERELY NICOLE CROSBY. I CHECKED MY FACEBOOK POST ON IMPACT FEES AND FOUND NO COMMENTS. I WONDER WHY HE WOULD NOT WANT TO CORRECT ME . I HAVE NEVER DELETED ANYTHING THAT A COMMISSIONER WROTE ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE AND I POSTED A LINK TO THE ENTIRE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. IT DID NOT INCREASE AS HE IMPLIED THAT IT DID, CLEARLY, WHATEVER THE INCREASE, THEY DID NOT KEEP UP WITH INFLATION. HE COMPLAINED THAT HE HAD RECEIVED MUCH VITRIOL AS A RESULT OF MY FACEBOOK POST. IF ANYTHING, I SHIELD HIM FROM VITRIOL, BY STATING HIM THAT IMPACT FEES WERE LOW , HE WAS ELECTED IN 2020, HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE FEES. PERHAPS THE VITRIOL WAS AN EXPRESSION OF FRUSTRATION UPON LEARNING THAT FOR EVERY AVERAGE -SIZED HOME BUILT, THEY ARE SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS NEARLY $7500 DUE TO OUR COUNTY'S LOW IMPACT FEE. THAT IS A LOT, THAT CAME FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT THE COUNTY HIRED. BY THE WAY, KUDOS TO THE COMMISSIONER FOR HIRING THE CONSULTANT TO PUT THESE IN TERMS THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND. YET, I AM CALLED A LIAR. I AM USED TO IT. ERGO, THEY PAID A CAMPAIGN MANAGER TO WRITE THESE LIES ABOUT ME. 
          >> MS. CROSBY , KEEP THIS IN A GENERAL FORM, INSTEAD OF TOWARDS A SPECIFIC COMMISSIONER, TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD RULES. 
          >> I WILL NOT SAY ANY NAMES. THE HOME, ON THE IGUANA PRESERVE, PUBLIC RECORD TO THE COUNTY SHOWS NICOLE PLANS TO FIRE ALL COUNTY STAFF AS SHE TAKES OVER AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR . 
          NICOLE IS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT WHO RANKED HAVOC ON HER HER FORMER COMMUNITY. SHE FOUGHT AGAINST RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. SHE FOUGHT TO DISMANTLE THE LOCAL REPUBLICAN PARTY. NICOLE IS A MASTER 
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MANIPULATOR AND IS A TROJAN HORSE , ULTIMATELY ATTEMPTING TO DESTROY ST. -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY, PAY A TAX TO REMOVE A TREE FROM YOUR OWN PROPERTY , I WOULD NEED ANOTHER 30 MINUTES TO CONTINUE. 
          ALL I AM SAYING , IF YOU HEAR ME BEING CALLED A LIAR, PLEASE CONSIDER THE SOURCE. THANK YOU. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS FREDERICK A LEBLANC, I LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. SB 180, IT DEFIES HOME RULE IN THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, I ENCOURAGE VOTERS TO VOTE FOR ELECTED OFFICES . IT TOTALLY INFRINGES ON OUR HOME RULE. IF WE VOTE YOU, WE VOTE FOR YOU TO REPRESENT US. SB 180 TAKES YOUR POWER AWAY . WE ARE NOT , WE ARE NOT DADE COUNTY, WE ARE NOT ORANGE COUNTY, WE ARE ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS LAW, IT NOT ONLY INFRINGES ON US BUT IT IS AN INSULT TO THE VOTERS AND THE COUNTY, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT NOW. WE HAVE LOBBYISTS , RIGHT? IN THIS COUNTY, WE HAVE LOBBYISTS , WE HAVE YOU TO REPRESENT US. AND I ASK THAT YOU, AS OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, FIGHT THIS BILL, THERE ARE 25 APPROXIMATELY SO FAR COUNTIES AND CITIES THAT HAVE JOINED THE LAWSUIT THIS TIME. I DO NOT THINK OUR CITIZENS WANT FOR YOU TO BE A FIGUREHEAD AND JUST NAME STREETS. YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER KING OF ENGLAND WHO SITS UP THERE WITH A CROWN AND REALLY HAS NO POWER? THIS BILL IS DANGEROUS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE GOOD GOVERNOR OF OUR STATE SIGN THIS THING. BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU AND I URGE YOU AND I REALLY WANT YOU TO USE EVERYTHING WITHIN YOUR POWER TO FIGHT THIS THING. WE CANNOT ROLL OUT OF -- RULE OUT OF FEAR. THERE ARE CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT ALREADY AGREE WITH THIS. AGAIN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW OUR GOVERNOR CAN SIGN SUCH A BILL. I URGE YOU TO REPRESENT YOURSELVES. REPEAL AND REVERSE SOME OF THE CLAUSES IN THIS 
          BILL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. RYAN? 
          >> I AM MR. RYAN , SPANISH DRIVE, ACTUALLY, SHE BASICALLY STOLE EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REAFFIRM I REPRESENT THAT YOU MAKE THE LAWS FOR THIS COUNTY. AND WE ELECT YOU TO REPRESENT US. WE ALSO ELECT STATE REPRESENTATIVES IN THE STATE SENATE TO REPRESENT US. SB 180 IS JUST ANOTHER WAY THAT YOUR POWER , AND YOUR, YOUR MANDATE . TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY, IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. I CAN GO OVER THE CAMPAIGN COPY BE -- CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE, AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, THOSE WHO SUPPORTED 180. AND IT IS , FOR A GOOD NOT UP ON THE BILL. THE BILL, THAT IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS BASICALLY PUT IN FOR THE BENEFIT OF DEVELOPERS THAT WANTED TO AVOID IMPACT FEES. AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RUN THIS COUNTY ARE YOU GOING TO CRINGE IN FEAR, LOSING STATE FUNDS OR RETRIBUTION. LEGAL RETRIBUTION FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT? ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO REPRESENT US? BASICALLY. THAT IS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. AND HOME RULE. AND VALIDATE YOUR POSITIONS . THANK YOU. 
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          >> YES, MA'AM? >> HELLO, GOOD MORNING , MY NAME IS TRACY GRAY. I LIVE AT 10 ARTHUR STREET . I CAME TO YOU ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AND INTRODUCED MYSELF IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WAS ABLE TO BRING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER ABOUT THE FLOODING AND THE DITCHES . WE DID A PILOT PROJECT ON 10 ARTHUR STREET OF SAINT GEORGE. WE USED RIFFRAFF AND BOLSTERED THE DITCH SO IT WOULD NOT COLLAPSE . WE DID ONE SIDE. 
          NOW, I AM HERE TO ASK FOR THE OTHER SIDE. I LIVE ON THIS CORNER OF THE STATE WITH A WELL-TRAFFICKED INTERSECTION. 
          RATHER THAN TO WAIT UNTIL THE ROAD GIVES WAY , I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THERE COULD BE ANOTHER POST PILOT PROJECT , BETWEEN . 
          IT HAS WORKED BEFORE AND WE WILL SEE IF IT WORKS AGAIN AND AS WE LEARN HOW THE WATER IS INTRUDING FROM UP UNDER THE GROUND AND FALLING FROM THE SKY, AS A MATTER OF RAIN, WE CAN USE THAT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, THE OLDER ONES, THAT NEED THE ATTENTION AND LOVE THAT IT DESERVES. IT IS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU AND EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE. AGAIN, MY NAME IS TRACY GRAY. LET'S 
          GET THIS PROJECT FUNDED. >> THANK YOU, MS. GRAY. YES, 
          SIR? >> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY MY NAME IS LORENZO, A.K.A. BEN. I RECOGNIZE THE ST. AUGUSTINE ARTS FLORIDA, WITH 90 ACTIVE MEMBERS. WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING FROM OUR FIELD AT THE COUNTY LAND FIELD FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND WE ARE PROUD TO BE PART OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND THE AMA ORGANIZATION. OUR CLUB OFFERS MORE THAN FLYING MODEL AIRCRAFT. WE ARE A FAMILY-FRIENDLY GROUP , WE WELCOME YOU, VETERANS, RETIREES AND AVIATION ENTHUSIASTS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE, WE HOSTED A MEET AND GREET AT OUR AIRFIELD THAT BROUGHT TOGETHER COUNTY OFFICIALS, COMMUNITY LEADERS AND RESIDENTS. IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS. EDIT HIGHLIGHTED THE ENTHUSIASM AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT THAT OUR CLUB GENERATES . BY JOINING THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION UMBRELLA, WE CAN EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, OFFERING LEARNING EXPERIENCES, YOUTH MENTORSHIP, FLAG DEMONSTRATIONS, AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH SCHOOLS AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS. WE FACE A CHALLENGE. DEVELOPING A MAJOR SPORTS COMPLEX , WE FULLY SUPPORT AND WE CELEBRATE THE GROWTH, THIS RESTRICTS OUR FLYING ZONE, PER FAA SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. TO ENSURE SAFE OPERATION FOR EVERYONE, OUR MEMBERS AND THOSE ENJOYING THE FACILITY, WE ARE PROPOSING TO SHIFT THE RUNWAY FURTHER SOUTH. THIS ADJUSTMENT WILL REMOVE OVERLAPPING AIRSPACE, CREATING SAFE AND PERMANENT SOLUTIONS. WE ARE SELF -FUNDED THROUGH MEMBERSHIP TODAY , WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND PARTNERSHIP IN TWO WAYS, NUMBER ONE, INCLUSION ON THE WEBSITE. THIS WILL STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY PRESENCE , AND PROVIDE RECREATIONAL AND EDUCATIONAL 
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OPPORTUNITIES. NUMBER TWO, ASSISTANCE IN FACILITATING THE RUNWAY SHIFTING FURTHER SOUTH, THIS WILL ENSURE LONG-TERM SAFETY AND ALLOW A.L.L. , AND THE ST. AUGUSTINE RC FLYERS TO FLY WITHOUT CONFLICT. THE ST. AUGUSTINE RC FLYERS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A VALUABLE ASSET OFFERING RECREATION . 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH . GREAT. >> AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR OTHER MEMBER . HE WANTS TO SHOW -- 
          >> OKAY. OKAY. JUST STEP UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          >> MY NAME IS FLYERS. I AM HERE TO COVER AMA. I AM GOING TO READ A LETTER FROM THE AMA PRESIDENT IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE REPRESENTING SAN AUGUSTINE RC FLYERS I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THIS LETTER FROM THE AMA PRESIDENT. AMA, ALSO KNOWN AS THE ACADEMY OF MODEL AERONAUTICS, A NATIONAL, COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION, SINCE IT'S INCEPTION IN 1936. WITH MEMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE ARE PROUD TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO PROMOTING, PROTECTING, AND ADVANCING THE HOBBY OF MODEL AVIATION. WHEN SOMEONE JOINS AMA, THEY MAKE A COMMITMENT TO THE SAFETY AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COMMUNITY. EVERY MEMBER AGREES TO FOLLOW THE SAFETY CODE WHICH HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND RECOGNIZED AS A BLUEPRINT FOR UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SAFETY BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION. 
          IT REFLECTS DECADES OF LEADERSHIP AND UPHOLDING STANDARDS TO HAVE REAL WORLD ENVIRONMENTS, EACH OF OUR MEMBERS IS COVERED BY LIABILITY INSURANCE . THAT PROTECTION EXTENDS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS UNDER OUR CHARTERED CLUBS LIKE THE ST. AUGUSTINE RC FLYERS, HERE TODAY. THIS IS ONE MORE WAY TO DEMONSTRATE THE COMMITMENT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO FLYING IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WELCOME US. AMA CONTINUES TO BE A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR SAFE AND SENSIBLE INTEGRATION OF MODEL AIRCRAFT IN THE AIRSPACE SYSTEM , WE HAVE ACHIEVED MANY RESULTS , INCLUDING EXEMPTIONS FOR MOST OF OUR CHARTERED FLYING FIELDS, IN SOME CASES UP TO 12,000 FEET. THESE OBSERVED THE FREEDOM OF FLIGHT FOR HOBBYISTS. AND MAINTAIN SAFETY FOR EVERYONE IN THE AIR. OUR MISSION DOES NOT STOP FOR ADVOCACY. AMA IS DEEPLY INVESTED IN EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH AND S.T.E.M. INITIATIVES. WE HELP INSPIRE THE NEXT GENERATION OF PILOTS, ENGINEERS, AND INNOVATORS, SUPPORTING WITH TECHNICAL RESOURCES AND WORKING PROUDLY TOWARD SCHOLARSHIPS , WITH YOUNG MEMBERS PUSHING FOR CAREERS. IN AVIATION AND AEROSPACE AND S.T.E.M.-RELATED FIELDS. MODEL AVIATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE THAN JUST A HOBBY. IT IS A GATEWAY TO DISCOVERY, INNOVATION, AND LIFELONG LEARNING, THROUGH THE AMA'S EFFORTS, WE CONTINUE TO BUILD COMMUNITIES TO ENJOY FLIGHT. THAN YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR CONTINUED DEDICATION KEEPING THE SPIRIT OF MODEL AVIATION SOARING HIVE. THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? 
          >> GOOD MORNING. >> AM HERE ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP SITUATION , Y'ALL. 
          >> NAME AND ADDRESS. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SPEAK RIGHT 
          INTO THAT MICROPHONE, SIR. >> HAVE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS. I HAVE BEEN USING THE BOAT RAMP MOST OF THE TIME , BUT TAKING THAT PROPERTY OVER I MEAN ERIC CLARK 
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AND WILL SMITH GAVE THESE PEOPLE PERMISSION TO PUT THEIR DRIVEWAY AND RIGHT AWAY WHERE THE THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET. THEY TELL EVERYBODY THAT THEY ARE TRESPASSING , I HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED AND ALMOST BEATEN TO DEATH. I SPENT SIX HOURS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM. YOU HAVE STILL DONE NOTHING, Y'ALL ARE COWARDS. FIGHT FOR PEOPLE , DO NOT SIT UP THERE AND DO NOTHING. IT SHOWS HERE, I TALKED TO BRIAN, TALK TO THESE PEOPLE ABOUT MOVING THE MAILBOX, MAILBOX DON'T BELONG IN THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY. ERIC , I GUESS, HE IS WITH WEALTH MANAGEMENT, HE DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU CAN GET RUN OVER. I GAVE Y'ALL PICTURES OF A LADY ALMOST RUNNING ME DOWN, COLORED PICTURES. DID YOU PASS IT AROUND? IS THIS TOTALLY CORRUPT? THIS IS LIABLE, YOU TWO MUNICIPAL PEOPLE ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH A HOMEOWNER WITHOUT ANYBODY ELSE'S PERMISSION. AT THE COUNTY BOAT RAMP, WIRE FRAUD , ANY KIND OF FRAUD YOU CAN THINK OF, YOU CANNOT GO AROUND AND HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS WITH A HOMEOWNER WHO WANTS TO BUILD THEIR DREAM HOUSE NEXT TO A COUNTY BOAT RAMP, THAT IS INSANE , WOULD YOU ? RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WOULD BUILD YOUR HOUSE AT A COUNTY BOAT RAMP . BUT THESE PEOPLE DID AND THEY ARE GETTING THE WAY WITH LANDFALL AND Y'ALL ARE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT, NOT A THING! BUT I REALIZE , YOU KNOW THE SONG, "FURTHER ALONG THE ROAD , " CHEER UP MY BROTHER, LIVE IN THE SUNSHINE. 
          THE SONG IS ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT MONDAY. 
          THOSE THEY DECEIVE SOFTWARE, JOE HAS BOAT , HE LIKES THAT MUNICIPAL ABOUT IT? BEFORE I GET BEAT UP AGAIN? 
          >> PLEASE DON'T GIVE AN OPINION. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE HUTTON , I GOT A FEW THINGS . THE FIRST IS , IF YOU LOOK BACK , IT IS A BIG CONCERN ABOUT SENATE BILL 180 GOING ON, IF YOU LOOK BACK OVER ONE YEAR AGO, THERE WAS ANOTHER BILL THAT WAS SIGNED THAT ENACTED SENATE BILL 812, 812, PERMITS WOULD GO FROM 10% OF APPROVAL OF HOUSING, OR WHATEVER, UP TO 50%. EXPANDED , AND THEY ARE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING OVER THERE . SO , THAT WAS THE FOOT IN THE DOOR TYPE OF ASPECT OF GETTING DOWN AND GOING IN THE SENATE BILL 180. SENATE BILL 812 WAS COWRITTEN BY TRAVIS HUDSON AT THE TIME. SENATE BILL 180, THE COMMITTEE THAT WORKED WITH IT , THE COMMITTEE OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS . WHICH IS SEATED ON BY TOM LEEK , WHO IS FRIENDS WITH TRAVIS HUDSON , SO , THAT IS HOW FAR BACK IT GOES. 
          IT WAS BEING PLANNED , IT SEEMED IN AN ORGANIZED MANNER TO DO IT STEP BY STEP, WHICH IS A GOOD WAY OF DOING THINGS AS WE SEE NOW. THE NEXT THING IS, I HAD AN INVITE TO A TOWN HALL MEETING AND IT WAS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TOWN HALL ON EDUCATION, ARE WE 
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INVESTIGATING THE -- INVESTING IN OUR SCHOOLS OR RISKING OUR COMMUNITY'S FUTURE. VERY INTERESTING. IT SHOWS THAT THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS , THE FLORIDA EDUCATION ASSOCIATION , THAT IS THE FLORIDA STATE LEVEL UNION, FOR THE ST. JOHNS TEACHERS UNION, HEAVILY BASED , UNIONIZED ORGANIZATION AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE SYMBOLS , THIS ONE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY VOTERS FOR STRONG SCHOOLS, THERE IS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED BUT ONE OF THEM IS A VERY PROGRESSIVE INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS MORE THAN JUST READING, WRITING, AND ARITHMETIC , THEY WANT ISSUES OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION. AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN HERE, IT SAYS MOBILIZE U.S. AND IF YOU GO IN HERE YOU WILL SEE SOME RADICALIZED PROTESTS THEY ARE HAVING. 
          >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GENERAL PUBLIC 
          COMMENT ? >> EJ CLAYTON , EXCUSE ME. ST. 
          AUGUSTINE. THE FAILURE OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF TO POST MUG SHOTS EXCUSES INMATES WHO CHOOSE TO VIOLATE LAWS CONTINUING TO JEOPARDIZE THE SAFETY OF EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTY. ARE INMATES' LIVES MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS COUNTY? BREVARD, CLAY, HILLSBORO, LEE, BULK , PUTNAM, SARASOTA, SEMINAL. PUBLIC ACCESS NOT ALLOWED AT 4015 LEWIS SPEEDWAY, EVEN THOUGH ON THE WEB IT SAID IT IS OPEN 24 HOURS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. DISTRICT 1, TWO, THREE, AND FIVE COMMISSIONERS FAILED TO PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BUDGET MEETING. WEDNESDAY, THE KNIGHTS OF LIVES WORKSHOP, WHITE MEETING, THE PUBLIC WAS NOT ALLOWED, NO TRANSPARENCY , I HAVE ASKED FOR A LETTER AS TO WHY THE PUBLIC WAS NOT ALLOWED. 
          THE KNIGHTS SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF ST. AUGUSTINE. THESE DO NOT LIVE DOWNTOWN. RESIDENTS VOTED , NOT TO MAKE A BUCK, DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS MANIPULATE FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR, THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE SP 180. I WANT TO THANK YOU AND I AM GLAD TO WELCOME BACK MS. JOSEPH. YOU CAN FIND THAT ON THE SHERIFF'S WEBSITE. WE APOLOGIZE , BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MUG SHOTS. IT IS ALSO POSTED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS PER DAY. VERY CLEARLY, PUBLIC COMMENT WAS ON IT AND NONE OF YOU NOTICED THAT OR DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND I AM STILL WAITING FOR A LETTER FROM THE COUNTY AS TO WHY WE WERE NOT ALLOWED AT THE MEETING YESTERDAY. I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING WHY. IF ANYONE CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER, PEOPLE PICK AND CHOOSE BUT TO ME, YOU ARE SHOWING DISCRIMINATION. NOT DISCRETION, IT IS DISCRIMINATION TO TAKE CARE WHO YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF, INSTEAD OF TAKING CARE OF THIS CITY AND THIS COUNTY . IT IS VERY OBVIOUS IN THE WAY YOU SHOULD ACT. 
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          >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ? SEEING NONE WE WILL 
          CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, AND 
          WE HAVE QUASIJUDICIAL FOR THAT . >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ? 
          >> YES, MA'AM . I HAD A MEETING, WITH DOUGLAS BURNETT 
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AND THE APPLICANT, I RECEIVED DOZENS AND DOZENS OF EMAILS, CLOSE TO 100 , THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          >> AM I SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT? 
          >> MADAM CHAIR, I HAD THE SAME MEETING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, AND RECEIVED ABOUT 90 EMAILS. 
          >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUGLAS BURNETT AND STAFF AND RECEIVED CLOSE TO 100 EMAILS ON THIS AS 
          WELL. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? 
          >> I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUGLAS BURNETT AND QUINTON TERRY AND RECEIVED JUST A FEW EMAILS AND HAD PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT 
          FOUR RESIDENCES IN THE AREA. >> I HAD 100 MINUTES, WITH DOUGLAS BURNETT , I HAD ABOUT SIX PHONE CALLS DISCUSSING THEIR 
          CONCERNS. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> THANK YOU, DOUGLAS BURNETT, SEAGROVE , MAIN STREET, ST. 
          AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA FOR THE BIKER BID WITH ME IS QUINTON , REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT. 
          BEFORE I GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, I WANT TO START WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR ME REPEAT, THIS IS AN IMPROVED PROJECT. THIS IS AN APPROVED PROJECT SINCE 2009. NOT ONLY IS IT A PROJECT SINCE 2009, IT HAD A PERMIT FOR ALL STORMWATER AND THE STILLWATER CONSTRUCTION WAS DONE IN 2013 . 
          THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN AROUND ON THE BOOKS FOR A WHILE. 
          ALSO, INTO THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THIS APPLICANT. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICANT THAT COME BEFORE YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE YOU HAVE A LONG-TERM, COMMITTED OWNER - DEVELOPER OF COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. NOT JUST COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, BUT THE TYPE OF QUALITY YOU SO DESPERATELY WANT TO SEE. THE PROMENADE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. THIS IS RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO MARCH MONTH BRINGS OFF OF RACETRACK ROAD, THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROJECT BEGAN CONSTRUCTION AND SORT OF SLOWLY CAME ON, 10, 11, 12, 13 , THAT IS WHEN THEY STARTED BUILDING AND CONTINUED ON TODAY. 
          OBVIOUSLY, YOU DRIVE BY AND SEE SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT GOING ON WITH BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE AND THEY GO THE EXTRA MILE ON THE PROJECT. THEY OWN THE BUILDINGS AND THEY LEASE THESE SPACES . 
          THIS IS AN OWNER THOROUGHLY COMMITTED TO THE BUILDING. YOU ALL KNOW , ANYTIME YOU HAVE TURNED NORTH, YOU HAVE GONE TO SEE BIG COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDINGS LOCATEDIN THIS AREA. 
          THE FORT WAYNE BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST SIGNATURE BUILDING IN THAT BUILDING FOR COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE. NOT ONLY DO THEY OWN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS THE MEDICAL BUSINESS, THEY BOUGHT THE LAND , SO THEY OWN ALL THREE BUILDINGS. 
          IT IS SIGNIFICANT , BECAUSE IT IS AROUND 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF CLASS C OFFICE SPACE. IT IS THE BIGGEST THING AROUND FOR OFFICE SPACE IN THAT AREA. BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS, GREAT TENANTS , BEAUTIFUL BUILD OUT FROM THE INTERIOR. THIS IS A PLAYER YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON YORK COUNTY. ESPECIALLY NOT ONLY DO THEY GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, THEY BUILD THE VERTICAL AND THEY OWN THE VERTICAL. GETTING TO THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THE AREA BUT I WILL TELL YOU SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE LOCATION TO THE FURTHEST SOUTHERN TIP OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY -- BASICALLY, THE INTERCHANGE OF I-95 AND U.S. 1, THIS IS THE PROPERTY, I WILL 
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SHOW YOU THE FUTURE LANE MAP. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PUD, WITH THE FUTURE LANE'S MAP OF RS LAID OVER THE AREA. YOU CAN BACKUP , YOU CAN SEE THE PONDS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, I WILL COME BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT IN A MINUTE, FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE REPORT AND YOU CAN SEE THAT DIVISION. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING IT DID BUT THE NATURAL LOW OF WHEN THE COUNTY WAS DOING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, HOW IT SEGREGATED OUT MIXED USE IN ALL FOUR CORNERS OF THE INTERCHANGE OF I-95, LIKE IT DID AT THE INTERCHANGE OF I-95. AND YOU CAN SEE, IF I PUT AN AERIAL TO IT, YOU CAN SEE THE MIXED USE PORTION. THE ZONING MAP, THIS IS IN THE REPORT AS WELL, THAT DIVISION OF THE FUTURE LANE'S MAP WITH AN AERIAL AS WELL. I STARTED IT , I WILL GO THROUGH , THIS WAS APPROVED , NOT JUST IN 2012 BUT ORIGINALLY IN 2009, LOOK AT 2012, YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS 09-42, FOR THE PUD. FOR THE PRD, ALSO APPROVED IN '09, IT WAS '09-41, THE MAJOR MODIFICATION, I WILL GET THROUGH IT QUICKLY AND SHOW YOU THIS IN A MOMENT. THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT IN '09 INCLUDED A REBUILD THAT WENT THROUGH A MAJOR WETLANDS STRAND. THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE ENGINEERING, PERMITTING WITH THE WEATHER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO PUT IN STORMWATER, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE ROCK ROAD COULD BE REROUTED , THE MAINSTREAM AREA, NOT HAVE THOSE WETLAND IMPACTS, THAT IS WHY WE CAME BACK PREDOMINANTLY WITH A MAJOR MODIFICATION IN 2012. VERY IMPORTANT. WHEN YOU SEE THE BEAUTY OF THIS SIGNIFICANCE , WITH ZERO WETLANDS IMPACT, THAT IS WHAT THE 2012 MODIFICATION IMPACTED IN, ZERO WETLANDS IMPACT IN THE PUD. THERE IS AN IMPACT IN THE PRD AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE MOMENT. PROJECTS NOW, RIGHT NOW THE PUD IS ENTITLED TO 275,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE. 
          50,000 FEET OF OFFICE SPACE , 175 LANES OF HOTEL, 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL SPACE AND 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THAT IS THE APPROXIMATE 90 ACRES TOTAL . YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IS THERE , YOU SEE COMMERCIAL RETAIL. IF I STOP THERE, YOU KNOW , THAT IS WELL WITHIN THE WHEEL HOUSE OF WHAT THEY DO ND THEY DO EXTREMELY WELL. ON THE PRD SIDE, THERE ARE 37 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES . AND, IF I PUT A LITTLE AERIAL TO IT. EXCUSE ME, IF I PUT A LITTLE COLOR EMBELLISHMENT , YOU GET ROUGHLY THIS DRAWING TO SORT OF SHOW YOU THE LAYOUT OF THE COMMERCIAL, THE HOTEL AREA, VERY CENTRAL, THE OFFICE SPACE FURTHER SOUTH AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE PRD, IF WE LOOK AT THE PUD, IN PARTICULAR, AND WE LOOK AT THE MAP FOR THE PRD, AGAIN, THIS GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE '09 TIME PERIOD, THAT IS WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED. IF WE LOOK AT THE PRD, SAME THING, THE MAP GOES BACK TO THAT SAME TIME PERIOD, '09. IF WE LOOK AT WHERE DOES THE PROJECT STAND TODAY? WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS . MY CLIENT HAS PRETTY MUCH CONTINUOUSLY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, HAD THE SAME CIVIL ENGINEER INVOLVED, KIMBERLY THORTON, WELL KNOWN TO ANY FOLKS IN THE COUNTY STAFF, STAYING ON TOP OF THE DEVELOPMENT, EXTENSIONS, CONFIRMATION OF THOSE THINGS FROM COUNTY STAFF. MR. PERRY AND MYSELF ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THE PROJECT STAYS ON TRACK. AND YOU CAN SEE, THIS LETTER IS A MARCH , 2025 LETTER. IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT, IT IS STILL ACTIVE UNTIL 2032. SO, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT RIGHT 
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NOW IS HERE BEFORE YOU TO SAY , CAN WE GET OUR INITIAL APPROVAL? CAN WE BUILD THESE THINGS ? IT IS ALREADY ENTITLED. THAT IS AN INTERESTING, AN IMPORTANT POINT GIVEN THE INTERESTING THINGS I SEE IN SOME OF THE EMAILS, GIVING THE PERCEPTION THAT THIS IS NOT AN IMPROVED -- APPROVED PROJECT , IT IS THROUGH 2032 AT A MINIMUM AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT AND EXTENSIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN , THIS IS AN ENTIRE LETTER . I WANT TO SHOW YOU, WHAT DOES THIS MAJOR MOD DO, THE MAJOR PORTIONS . 
          THERE IS ZERO CHANGE TO HOTEL ROOMS AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE PUD, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE PRD, NO CHANGE TO THE ACREAGE, WE STILL STAY AT ZERO WETLAND IMPACTS, AND 0.17 IMPACTS IN THE PRD. THAT IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON FOR THE WETLAND IMPACTS , ARE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO THE SUBDIVISION -- AGAIN, THIS PUD MAP IS ABSOLUTELY UNCHANGED . THERE IS NOTHING TO CHANGE. ON THE PRD THERE IS NOTHING TO CHANGE, THERE IS NOTHING WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE ON THE MAP . THERE ARE A FEW THINGS , WE WANT TO EXTEND THE TIME. BUT WHEN YOU COME BACK IN FOR THE PROCESS FOR THE MAJOR MODIFICATION, STAFF RAISES THINGS. NO MATTER WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR FIRE PRESSURE OR FIRE HYDRANTS, FIRE SERVICES ENTERS A COMMENT TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER TO HAVE A HIGHER DEMAND, A HIGHER REQUIREMENT, THOSE KINDS OF CHANGES , THE PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE A ROUNDABOUT . I AM NOT SURE HOW POPULAR ROUNDABOUTS WERE, OR THE CONCEPT OF A ROUNDABOUT IN '09. I CAN TELL YOU I WAS INVOLVED IN A PROJECT THAT CREATED THE FIRST ROUNDABOUT IN THE COUNTY. '09 IS KIND OF A NOVEL CONCEPT. NOT AS FREQUENTLY ENCOUNTERED AS TODAY. PAVERS IN FRONT OF COMMERCIAL SPACES. ON THE PRD , YOU HAVE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHERE THE PRD COMES IN AND THE CONCEPT OF HAVING POTENTIALLY PRESERVED AGRICULTURE IN OUR COUNTY, MAKING SURE THAT IS IN THE PRD, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD IN THE '09 OR '12. THAT IS A NEWER CONCEPT . WE HAVE THAT IN THE PRD. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS. IT DOES NOT LIKE ME FOR A MOMENT. I AM NOT SURE WHY. COMMISSIONERS , IF I COULD JUST HAVE A MOMENT ? THERE WE GO. AUGUST 21ST, 2025, TO VOTE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED, NO VAPE SHOPS, INTERESTINGLY WHEN WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PUD, THIS PUD DID NOT PROHIBIT ADULT USES . 
          NOT BY DESIGN. IT WAS SOMETHING IN ZERO -- '09, WE WORKED ON THIS SINCE THAT TIME PERIOD, IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MY TO PROHIBIT, WE HAD IN OUR LANGUAGE, PROHIBITING ADULT USES, AND BROUGHT UP BY MR. LEVIN ASCII , YOU SHOULD ELIMINATE VAPE SHOPS. NO PROBLEM, CONDITIONS THAT CAME 
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UP, THE PHASING THAT NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE, THE PINPOINT SECTION OF THE CODE, IT WAS PULLED UP DURING PCA TO POINT THAT OUT TO US. WE NEEDED TO BREAK THE RESIDENTIAL, NONRESIDENTIAL PHASES FOR FIVE TO 10 YEARS, KIND OF A NO-BRAINER WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT . SO, ANYWAY, WE MADE THAT REVISION. AND THAT WAS POST--AZA , THIS WAS UNDER THE STAFF REPORT. WE GOT IT IN THERE, WE DID EVERYTHING RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, STAFF REVIEWED IT, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY CONSTERNATION RELATING TO THAT ASPECT OF IT AND I WILL SHOW YOU ONE LAST DRAWING FOR THE ARIAL, YOU CAN SEE THE PONDS , THE PONDS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, IT IS THE OLD VOP POND FROM THE INTERCHANGE , BUT THE OTHER PONDS WERE CONSTRUCTED WITH TWO LARGER PONDS . PLUS THERE IS KIND OF A SMALLER MIDDLE POND, THOSE WERE CONSTRUCTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WATER PERMIT, IN CONNECTION WITH A PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY, IT HAD IT AS APPROVED. YOU CAN SEE IN THE OVERLAY , HOW PRECISELY THEY MATCHED UP. AND AGAIN, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THIS AT ALL. IT WAS DESIGNED AROUND THE FEATURES AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN , IN 2013. SO, WITHOUT INDISCERNIBLE - BACKGROUND NOISE ] . WITH THAT , I WILL END MY PRESENTATION BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME PUBLIC COMMENT INVOLVED. 
          >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU GO, IF YOU DON'T 
          MIND. MADAM CHAIR? >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? 
          >> THANK YOU. SO, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THESE ARE JUST CHANGES THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE TO THE 
          PLAN? >> NOT SO MUCH THE PLAN, REALLY TO EXTEND THE TIME FRAME OUT . IT IS A 2032 TIMEFRAME, WE LIVE IN FLORIDA. WE DID NOT GET HURRICANES SO FAR THIS YEAR AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T BUT IT IS MORE THAN LIKELY THAT A HURRICANE WILL COME BETWEEN NOW AND 2032. MORE EXTENSIONS OF THE TIMEFRAME. SO , IT IS KIND OF A MARGINAL ISSUE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. OTHERWISE , THERE IS NO CHANGE. IT IS ENTITLED. I THINK THE CHALLENGE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IS A SITUATIONAL DEVELOPER PUT TRACTOR -- PRESSURE TO PUT DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE AND YOU WIND UP WITH OUT PARCELS SITTING THERE TO BE USED IN THE FUTURE. ANY NUMBER OF OTHER COMMERCIAL SITES, WHERE 
          IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT. >> ANOTHER QUESTION, YOU ADDED LANGUAGE, AFTER THE PZA , TO REQUIRE UTILITIES TO BE BROUGHT 
          IN? >> THE PROJECT ALWAYS WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BRING UTILITIES IN. BUT THAT IS THE TRIGGER. IT COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR IN THE PUD OR THE PRD . 37 LOTS IN THE PUD, YOU COULD NOT BILL THOSE WITHOUT DRAGON WATER AND SEWER 
          TO THE -- >> WHAT IS THE REASONABLE TIMEFRAME? JUST TO GUESS , THAT MIGHT BE A NEIL OR A MIKE QUESTION. 
          >> THERE ARE A FEW THINGS ON THERE. HOW MUCH OTHER DEVELOPMENT GOES ON IN THAT AREA. MY SPECULATION IS THAT THE COUNTY WILL NOT BE EXTENDING WATER AND SEWER DOWN THERE IT IS MORE THE PRIVATE SECTOR ITEM. AT SOME POINT IN TIME, MY CLIENT, IN COOPERATION WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD DO IT. IT IS PROBABLY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER LANDOWNER EXPENSE, THE SAME WAY IT HAS BEEN EXPANDED , TO THE SOUTH, ON U.S. 1, THAT WAS EXTENDED BY ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER PREVIOUSLY. 
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          >> NEIL, IF YOU DON'T MIND ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE COUNTY BRINGING UTILITIES DOWN ANYTIME 
          SOON? >> GOOD MORNING GOOD IT IS VERY UNLIKELY , WE TYPICALLY WORK WITH DEVELOPERS, THE COUNTY ON ITS OWN DIME DOES NOT EXTEND UTILITIES LIKE THAT. I WOULD SAY 
          THAT IT IS UNLIKELY. >> IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF IT 
          COMING FROM THE SOUTH? >> IT IS TO THE SOUTH, PALM 
          COAST. >> IT IS NOT LIKELY. THAT IS WHAT I NEEDED. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YOU DID NOT MENTION THE CHANGING OF THE BUILDING HEIGHTS. CAN YOU GO THROUGH THE MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY NOTHING IS CHANGES, THERE ARE CHANGES. 
          LET'S SAY THAT AMAZON WANTS TO BUILD ON THE INDUSTRIAL PEACE, IT IS WHAT? $6 MILLION-$8 MILLION TO GO SIX MILES ? 
          >> TO ANSWER TWO OF THOSE, YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT IS INTERESTING. BECAUSE THE WAY, THE HEIGHT DOES NOT CHANGE IN THE PRD. THE HEIGHT ISSUE WAS ONLY EXCLUSIVE TO THE PUD AND THE REAL ISSUE WAS, THE PUD ACTUALLY DIDN'T REFLECT WHAT YOU WOULD ALLOW FOR HEIGHT, UNDER THE LDC, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, TABLE 6 , WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GO FIVE FEET HIGHER. I CAN TELL YOU THAT LANGUAGE, I HAVE IT IN MY REBUTTAL AND I WILL PULL IT UP AND SHOW YOU. MY PRESENTATION HAS BEEN LOADED. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT LANGUAGE. THAT ENTIRE PARAGRAPH IS COMPLETELY UNCHANGED. AS THE PRD EXISTS TODAY. THE WAY THE PUD WAS APPROVED, THE PUD WAS APPROVED TO HAVE 35-FOOT HEIGHT AND 55-WIDTH FOR THE HOTEL, ONE CENTRAL LOCATION, MR. PERRY WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, HE IS 100% FINE WITH KEEPING THEM HEIGHT THE WAY IT ALREADY IS , IN THE APPROVED PUD. THAT IS NOT PART OF THAT CHANGE. 
          >> WELL, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. GOING ALL COMMERCIAL TO 45 IS NOT GOOD SO, I MEAN, IN MY OPINION BUT WHAT ARE ALL THE OTHER MODIFICATIONS? AND COULD YOU ANSWER THE INDUSTRIAL? THE INDUSTRIAL PERSON THAT WOULD COME DOWN THERE WOULD PAY FOR THE SEWER, THAT COULD BE , THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME TO OUR COUNTY AND BUILD UP THE SOUTHERN END OF OUR COUNTY AND I WANT TO KNOW THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. THANKS. 
          >> SURE, ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, ANY USER, IF IT WAS RETAIL, IF IT WAS A HOTEL, THEY WOULD DRAG WATER AND SEWER AS AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT, IRONCLAD, WHETHER IT IS THE PUD OR THE PRD, YOUR STAFF REPORT, IN THE WAY WE DID THE REDLINE TEXT, FINALLY APPROVED , RECORDED PUD, SO, IF YOU SEE THE REDLINE, IT STARTS ALL THE WAY BACK IN YOUR PACKET AT PAGE 57, YOU CAN SEE THE EXACT TEXT OF RECORDED VERSUS WHERE YOU WERE ASKING FOR. WE DELETED THE WORD OPPOSED , HYDE PARK IS ALREADY APPROVED . WE CAPITALIZED PROJECT , SO THAT WOULD BE UNIFORM. 
          >> I AM NOT ASKING FOR THE MODIFICATION OF WORDS BUT THINGS LIKE THE HEIGHT , WHICH YOU JUST EXPLAINED, WHAT ELSE? 
          >> TEMPORARY SEASONAL SALES , TEMPORARY DISPLACED SALES VOTERS, THAT LANGUAGE FROM THE LDC IS IN HERE AND QUALIFIES WHAT USES WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED PREVIOUSLY, PROHIBITED USES, WE ADDED ADULT USES AND VAPE SHOPS . MINIMUM SETBACK DIMENSIONS IN A COMMENT FROM STAFF SAID TO LOOK AT THE SETBACK TO BE MORE CLEAR, BUILDING SYSTEMS AND FIRE SERVICES, THERE IS LANGUAGE, THE FIRE MARSHAL ENTERED THOSE COMMENTS AND MADE THE CHANGES. THE BUILDING HEIGHTS , WHICH ARE ALREADY ARTICULATED . THAT IS SPECIFICALLY ON PAGE SEVEN , IN REDLINE TEXT. SUBSECTION F . WE WOULD SEEK NOT TO CHANGE THE HEIGHT AT ALL. IN PARKING, THERE HAS BEEN PUD LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT SHARED PARKING ALLOWED, PROVIDED THAT THE CROSS MOVEMENTS ARE ADDED TO. PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED, SHARED BY 
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SEVERAL USES AND MAY BE PROVIDED BY ANGULAR AND PARALLEL ON STREET PARKING, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. THAT IS JUST MAKING THE PUD PARKING MODERN, THE SAME AT EVERY PUD THAT HAS BEEN BUILT, THEY HAVE THOSE ALLOWANCES. IT ALLOWS FOR ALLEYS OR OTHER VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE VEHICLE PROPERTIES . LOCATED WITHIN A RIGHT-OF-WAY TRACK OR EASEMENT . 
          >> ARE THERE ANY DENSITY CHANGES ? 
          >> ZERO. >> OKAY. ARE THERE MORE PARKS ? 
          >> SORRY, WHAT IS THAT? >> ADD MORE PARKS? 
          >> THERE IS NO CHANGE TO PARKS, WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE RESIDENTIAL BASE. THERE IS VERY LIMITED BUFFER. 
          >> NO BUFFER? OPEN SPACE? >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRD, IT IS EIGHT 9 TO 10 PRD, YOU HAVE THAT EASTERN SECTION AND THE NORTHEASTERN SECTION IS SET ASIDE ON THE PROJECT. 
          >> I SAW THAT. WHAT CAN'T WE ADD MORE BUFFER IN THE PUD 
          INSTEAD OF THE PRD? >> I GUESS WE COULD LOOK AT IT . 
          WE HAD NOT PROPOSED ANY CHANGE. 
          >> THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CHANGE. 
          >> A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS TO ROUND THIS OUT, FENCING, WE DID PROVIDE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL COULD HAVE FENCING AROUND THEIR YARDS, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THOSE 20 LOTS, SIGNAGE WAS CLARIFIED . THERE WERE SOME TYPOS UNDER LOCATION. WE CAN HAVE DECORATIVE ROADS AND PAVERS. THAT IS SOMETHING I TOUCHED UPON EARLIER. ROUNDABOUTS WERE ADDED. STORM WATER POUNDS AND LAKES, FOUNTAINS. PROBABLY OVERKILL TO HAVE IT , BUT IT IS AN ENTITLEMENT, IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE STORM WATER POND AND MANAGEMENT WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND THEN, JUST SKIPPING THROUGH, LANGUAGE RELATED TO EXCAVATION AND PRE-EXCAVATION, DIGGING IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, HAS BEEN DELETED, BECAUSE OF THE STORM WATER PONDS. THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN CHANGED . AND IN LARGE PORTION OF AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, CAN CONTINUE ON. AND I THINK THEN, WE WILL GET INTO USES WHICH WE TOUCHED ON, AND FINALLY THE PHASES . 
          >> THE PHASING WOULD BE KICKED OFF BY SEWER AND WATER? 
          >> WATER AND SEWER. YEAH. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ARE THERE 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. REMEMBER, PLEASE , STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHOW OUR DISPLAY COME TO THE CENTER PODIUM AND PUT IT ON THE X. AND 
          GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS RICHARD DAVIS, I AM A RESIDENT AT 820 ROAD . I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY . I WANT TO ADD ANOTHER DIMENSION TO THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING. IT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. IT IS WHAT AFFECT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ON THE CREEK. THE PELICAN CREEK IS FED THROUGH THE WATERSHED THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE PLACED ON . YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE DRAWINGS AND PICTURES, IT GOES DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CENTER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE STORM WATER PONDS ARE IN PLACE. WITH THIS WATERSHED BEGIN CONNECTED TO PALISADE CREEK , IT IS NOT A SIMPLE SMALL CREEK THAT WANTS TO GO THROUGH THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. IT BECOMES WHAT IS LOCALLY KNOWN AS THE FLATS. IT IS AN AQUATIC PRESERVE . IT FALLS UNDER THE UMBRELLA. IT IS A NURSERY , IT IS THE BEGINNING OF AQUATIC LIFE, GIVEN A CHANCE TO MATURE . IT IS TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE PRISTINE NATURE OF THE WATERWAY, THE WAY IT IS NOW. HARLAND WAS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE WHO SAW THIS AND WAS AN INTRICATE PART OF THE PARK. OUR 
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NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, FLAGLER COUNTY, PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM ON THE SOUTH EDGE TO PREVENT DEVELOPMENT AND DRAINAGE AT THAT AREA. THE STATE SAW THIS AREA AS AN IMPORTANT WATERWAY, THEY PURCHASED 8500 ACRES AND THAT MAKES A CONTINUOUS SALTWATER ESTUARY DOWN TO FLAGLER COUNTY , NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND IN NORMAL CONDITIONS THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE OKAY. IN HURRICANE CONDITIONS. IN FLOOD CONDITIONS , THOSE PONDS ARE GOING TO BE WORTHLESS . THE SPILLWAY IS PART OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. IT IS DESIGNED TO SPILLOVER. IN A HURRICANE CONDITION, IT WILL BE INJECTED INTO THIS NATIONAL WATER SHIELD AND IT WILL BE CARRIED TO THE BASIN. AN UNIMAGINABLE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE, YOU CANNOT IMAGINE HOW MUCH, THIS IS NOT A ONE-TIME EVENT. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A HURRICANE, WE ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO DENY THE EXTENSION. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. MADAME CHAIR? 
          >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS PATRICK HAMILTON, ST. AUGUSTINE , I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OF THE SOUTH ADMINISTRATION COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO OPPOSE THIS MODIFICATION. WE JUST SPENT TWO YEARS WITH A PLAN ENVISIONING WHERE WE WANTED OUR COUNTY TO GO IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS AND WE DO NOT WANT TO INCREASE. WE DO NOT WANT TO EXPAND SEWER AND WATER CAPACITY OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES . INTO THE AGRICULTURAL AREAS OR INTO THE IMPORTANT WATERSHEDS AND WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE CARTE BLANCHE TO WHO CAN DEVELOP THIS , WHENEVER THEY WANT. MAYBE THE PROJECT WAS INAPPROPRIATE, MAYBE IT WAS APPROPRIATE 16 YEARS AGO BUT NOT APPROPRIATE TODAY. YES, IF THEY CAN DEVELOP IT , GO FOR IT. WE CAN GET A HANDLE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COUNTY. AND 2022, WE HAD A REFERENDUM OF $500 MILLION IN ARREARS WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SOMEHOW, IS THIS WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE? PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT WAS , THE APPROVAL WAS GIVEN BY THE COMMISSION BUT THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT IN THIS TIMELY FASHION. 
          THEY CAME BACK TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. WE CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COUNTY. WE ASK THAT YOU DENIED THIS MODIFICATION. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH. >> THANK YOU. YES , MA'AM? 
          >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS ANN TAYLOR, THE OTHER ANN TAYLOR. I LIVE AT STATE ROAD  206. BACK IN 2009, THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED IN A HUGE , MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND EVEN A HOTEL IN SUMMER PARK. THE HOTEL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT BETWEEN 2009 AND 2019. THEN IN 2012, THE DEVELOPER GOT AN EXTENSION AND NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN MORE THAN A DECADE LATER, WITH ANOTHER EXTENSION REQUEST. PLUS CHANGES INCLUDED -- INCLUDING INCREASING THE BUILDING HEIGHT. 2009 WAS A VERY DIFFERENT TIME WE HAD JUST , OF A BIG BUILDING BOOM AND WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FINANCIAL CRISIS. THE COUNTY HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE THEN. TODAY, SMART GROWTH AND PROTECTING OUR RURAL AREAS ARE SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES TO OUR RESIDENTS. THIS PROPOSAL JUST DOESN'T FIT ANYMORE. IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE 
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INFRASTRUCTURE, WITH THE EXTENSION OF INFRASTRUCTURE FURTHER DOWN U.S. 1. THAT WILL ONLY BRING MORE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE TO A PART OF THE COUNTY THAT PEOPLE VALUE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT IS RURAL. MOST OF US WHO LIVE DOWN HERE LOVE IT FOR ITS OPEN SPACE , THE QUIET, THE NATURE , THAT IS WHY WE CHOSE TO BE HERE AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS WITH A FRESH EYE AND ASK IF IT STILL MAKES SENSE IN TODAY'S WORLD. I URGE YOU TO TURN AROUND THIS EXTENSION. THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH. >> YES, MA'AM? COME ON UP. 
          >> GOOD MORNING. >> YOU CAN PULL THAT DOWN, TOO. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS PAT , I LIVE AT 6906 QUAY PLACE AVENUE, 2286. I AM ABOUT 10 MILES NORTH OF WHERE THE PUD WOULD BE BILLED IF THIS EXTENSION WAS GRANTED. I THINK I AM GOING TO PROBABLY GO BACK OVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT KNOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS YOU - APPROVED IN 2009, IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY,  IT HAS CHANGED A LOT, POPULATION GROWTH HAS INCREASED IN THE LAST 16 YEARS. AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SHOWING SIGNS OF OVERUSE AND UNSAFE CONDITIONS. AND I WANT TO USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. I LIVE, AS I SAID, ON EAST 206. I LOVE THE DIVERSITY. AND I LOVE THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO THIS AREA. I AM NOT AGAINST THAT. BUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD , LIKE I SAID, I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 34 YEARS. TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS . I FEEL UNSAFE EXITING AND ENTERING ON 206 , DUE TO TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES AT HIGH SPEEDS , THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55. LIKELY, 32 YEARS AGO, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD , WHEN IT WAS PLANNED , THEY PROBABLY DID NOT THINK THEY NEEDED AN EXIT LANE. THE PRELIMINARY GROWTH, IT IS SUBSTANTIAL. AND INFRASTRUCTURE AS NOT BEEN CHANGED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS KIND OF TRAFFIC TO MAINTAIN SAFETY. I AM NOT SURE IF THIS AREA CAN SUSTAIN AS MANY CHANGES. JUST AN AREA IN AND AROUND THE PUD. I AM SURROUNDED BY ROADS, WETLANDS, AND LOTS OF WILDLIFE. SPEAKING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY , SOME OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF FAST DEVELOPMENT IN NORTHERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY COULD HAPPEN IN THE SOUTH. I AM WORRIED ABOUT LOSING THE RURAL ENVIRONMENT , WITH ACRES OF MANAGED FOREST. THE PUD , WILL IT JEOPARDIZE THE HEALTH OF THE CREEK? I VOLUNTEER MONTHLY AT FAVER DYKES ROAD , I SEE THE WILDLIFE AND TREASURE THAT EVERYONE ENJOYS. AS 
          POPULATION IS BOOMING -- >> THANK YOU, MA'AM . 
          >> I THANK YOU FOR THE -- >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES , SIR? 
          >> MY NAME IS JOE, I LIVE AT 6918 , 32086. I AM HERE TO ENCOURAGE THE EXTENSION AND MODIFICATIONS. MY MAIN REASON IS TO GIVE YOU THE BIG PICTURE VIEWPOINT OF MY 51 YEARS OF ATTENDING MEETINGS LIKE THIS. I HAVE LIVED HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR 20 YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN AN INVOLVED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. YOUR PREDECESSORS BACK IN 2006 ELECTED ME AS ONE OF YOUR CITIZENS' REPRESENTATIVES. I SERVED FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF A PROMINENT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ON ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. MY PREVIOUS LIFE WAS I LIVED IN A CITY CALLED PEMBROKE PINES FOR 30 
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YEARS WHERE I WAS THE PRESIDENT FOR 19 YEARS OF THE LARGEST HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, 5000 HOMES, 18,000 CONSTITUENTS. I WOUND UP , I DON'T LIKE POLITICS, BUT I WOUND UP BEING AN ADVISER TO THREE DIFFERENT MAYORS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. SO MY, MY, MY REASON FOR TELLING YOU THIS, IS TO TELL YOU FOR 51 YEARS, I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING MEETINGS LIKE THIS. 
          ALL KINDS OF MEETINGS. AND IT IS ALWAYS INTERESTING TO ME TO REMIND ELECTED OFFICIALS , WHO THEY REPRESENT. I HAVE ATTENDED A LOT OF MEETINGS AT THIS COMMISSION AND I HAVE HAD PRESENTATIONS FROM MR. BURNETT IN THE PAST. BUT I HEARD HIS PRESENTATION I WAS KIND OF ASTONISHED . IT WAS NOT REALLY A PRESENTATION, IT WAS A LECTURE. I FELT I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRINCIPAL TALKING TO HIS STUDENTS. NOT LIKE A PERSON WHO WAS SOLICITOUS. HE USED THE WORD ENTITLED A LOT, WHICH I FOUND INTERESTING BECAUSE HE CERTAINLY SOUNDED ENTITLED. HOW MANY TIMES DID HE TELL YOU, REMIND YOU, THAT THIS WAS ALREADY APPROVED? I COUNTED SEVEN TIMES. IF YOU DID NOT KNOW, IF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE DID NOT KNOW, EVERYBODY KNEW. BUT HE HAD TO CONTINUALLY REMIND YOU. LOOK AT HIS ASTONISHMENT WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ASKING HIM A FEW QUESTIONS. WHAT ABOUT THE BUFFER ZONE, GREEN SPACE? HE STOOD HERE FOR YEARS. HE DOESN'T A GREAT JOB, BUT HE IS NOT USED FOR HEARING PUSHBACK. 
          HE IS USED TO RUBBERSTAMPS. THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAS CHANGED , BUT THE ATTITUDE OF THE DEVELOPERS HAS NOT. AND I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THAT. I KNOW THIS WAS APPROVED AND I KNOW THIS WILL PROBABLY GO. BUT I AM HERE TO TELL YOU IT WILL NOT BENEFIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLAGLER COUNTY, IT WILL NOT BENEFIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO GRANT THIS EXTENSION AND NOT APPROVE THE MODIFICATIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          >> JOE RYAN WERE WE EVEN DOING HERE? THIS ITEM , I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS EXTENDING THE GUIDELINE. THESE OTHER MODIFICATIONS ? I THINK MOST OF THOSE , THEY ARE WHAT THEY WANT . SO , IF YOU VOTE AGAINST THE EXTENSION, YOU ARE NOT DENYING THE DEVELOPMENT. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED . WE HAVE HEARD THAT SEVERAL TIMES. 
          WHAT THEY REALLY WANT IS THE EXTENSION, I THINK . AND IT IS NOT CLEARLY STATED . WHY WE NEED THAT . THEY HAVE ALREADY GOT ONE EXTENSION. IF YOU VOTE AGAINST THE EXTENSION , THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY BECAUSE THE EXTENSION IS THE REASON FOR THIS AVOCATION. IT IS NOT ALL THE OTHER THINGS. BECAUSE YOU SEE WHAT THEY WANT . THEY DO NOT NEED THE EXTENSION . THEY HAVE ALREADY GRANTED THAT . THANKS. 
          >> THANK YOU, ANYONE ELSE? COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING. 
          >> GOOD MORNING . MY NAME IS ALEX WATSON, 600 FAVER DYKES ROAD. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ST. AUGUSTINE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY . I HAVE ALWAYS CALLED IT HOME. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A DREAM TO BUY PROPERTY ON THE WATER AND THAT DREAM FINALLY CAME TRUE ABOUT A YEAR AGO . I FEEL LIKE IT IS ONE OF THE LAST PLACES WHERE IT HAS THE OLD FLORIDA VIBE AND WHERE YOU CAN LIVE ON THE WATER WITHOUT SURROUNDING PEOPLE ON TOP OF YOU, THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE. I AM JUST THINKING OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE SHOWN. AS SOON AS I TURN ON FAVER DYKES ROAD TO GO TO MY PROPERTY , IT IS PEACEFUL . YOU CAN RELAX AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH COMING FROM , 
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YOU KNOW ? WORK AND THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE. I CANNOT IMAGINE TAKING A LEFT TURN AND SEEING WHAT WAS SHOWN THERE. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME AT ALL. MAYBE THE WETLANDS ARE NOT AFFECTED ON PAPER AS THE FIRST APPLICANT SAID OR THE FIRST SPEAKER, DURING HURRICANES. THAT IS DRAMATICALLY GOING TO AFFECT THE WETLANDS. THE SURROUNDING WETLANDS. I URGE YOU TO DENY THE MODIFICATION AND THE EXTENSION . THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING . >> MY NAME IS VILLE HAMILTON , ST. AUGUSTINE , AND I AM HERE TODAY TO REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THE HYDE PARK PUD EXTENSION. PUD'S WERE NEVER INTENDED TO BE IN PERPETUITY . THEY HAVE AN APPROPRIATE TIME PERIOD TO BE BILLED. CONDITIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY CHANGE TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IN ONE TIME. IS NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE 10 OR 15 YEARS DOWN THE LINE. TO SAY THEY NEED AN EXTENSION BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON , THEY HAVE AN APPROVED PUD , DO NOT COME BACK AND SAY , WE WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU IN THE PAST ABOUT AGRICULTURE, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE OVERALL AG EXTENSION COMMITTEE FOR A LONG TIME. 25 YEARS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN AGRICULTURE FOR A LONG TIME, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE EXTENSION OFFICE TODAY. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND RECOGNITION FOR THE WORK FOR 4-H. I AM ON THE COMMITTEE THAT OVERSEES THAT. TO SEE THAT THEY WANT TO BE ENTITLED TO AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES, NEXT TO AN INTENSE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY. AGRICULTURE AND DEVELOPMENT ARE NOT GOOD PARTNERS, THEY ARE NOT GOOD NEIGHBORS, THEY CONFLICT INHERENTLY GOOD THEY HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS , SO TO HAVE AN AGRICULTURAL COMPONENT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A BENEFIT , IT IS A DETERRENT . THE LIST OF REASONS TO DENY THIS EXTENSION REQUEST IS LONG . YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THOSE AND I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER THEM MORE THAN WE NEED TO , MY FAMILY HAD AN OYSTER LEASE FOR DECADES. I CAN TELL YOU UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT THE EFFECT OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE HEALTH OF THE WATERWAYS IS ABSOLUTELY NEGATIVE. IF YOU BUILD THIS , I GUARANTEE YOU THE WATER QUALITY IS GOING TO GO DOWN THAT VIABILITY OF THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO DECLINE AND THE HABITAT PROVIDES FOR THE LIFE OF THE RIVER AND SUBSEQUENTLY, THE OCEAN IS GOING TO BE SEVERELY IMPACTED. I REQUEST AGAIN THAT YOU DENY THIS . I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP HERE EVERY DAY. I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU GOT MY EMAIL. I WILL BE CURIOUS TO KNOW BY THE REST OF YOU GOT ALMOST HUNDREDS OF EMAILS AND YOU GOT VERY FEW. I WANT TO MAKE 
          SURE THAT YOU GOT BY EMAIL. >> AS PART OF MY EX PARTE, I 
          ESTIMATED AROUND 100 EMAILS. >> I WAS JUST JOKING. 
          >> WE ALL TOOK YOU VERY SERIOUSLY . IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT I TOOK YOU SERIOUSLY. I APOLOGIZE. 
          >> IT IS ON THE RECORD NOW THAT I WAS JOKING WHEN I SAID I ONLY GOT A FEW. WHAT I MEANT WAS, I GOT JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE. AND I GOT YOURS AND I RESPONDED TO YOU. 
          >> YOU DID. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME WITH THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES. THIS BRINGS UP, THIS BRINGS UP, SIMILAR TO AN AGENDA ITEM THAT HAPPENED LAST MONTH OR SO, AT THE PZA. THE ITEM, THE PLANS AND ALREADY 
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-- EVERYTHING HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE A MAJOR MODIFICATION, JUST TO GET IT TO FIT INTO THE AREA, THE THING WAS, IT WAS APPROVED 20 YEARS AGO . TO CHANGE IT TO A MAJOR MODIFICATION , AFTER 20 YEARS, IT NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY ERASED AND REDONE FROM THE BOTTOM UP, WHAT THAT EXTENDS TO, THEY WERE BRINGING BACK THE KOI RIVER ESTATES . THAT IS THE NAME THEY USED FOR THE PREVIOUS PUD THAT WAS APPROVED 20 YEARS AGO . 
          BUT THEN IT SHADOWED UNDER THE ONE THAT WAS A TOTAL FAILURE, SO IT IS SHOWING THAT YOU ARE SETTING A PRECEDENCE OF HAVING SOMETHING APPROVED, AND COME BACK AND MAKE A MAJOR MODIFICATION, WE HAVE NOT DONE IT IN 10 OR 15 YEARS, WE NEED A MAJOR MODIFICATION , THE GENTLEMAN PRESENTING IT, THE GENTLEMAN WHO HAS PRESENTED FOR KOI RIVER ESTATES , WHICH WAS LILY, THE KOI RIVER ESTATES ARE ACTUALLY SIMILAR. SO, LET'S THINK OF IT LIKE THAT . IS THIS A PRECEDENT OF 10 OR 15 YEARS OF NOT DEVELOPING ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN COMING BACK FOR MORE MAJOR MODIFICATIONS ? THAT WILL, THAT WILL SET A GOOD RECORD OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND HOW TO DO IT IN THIS COUNTY OF HAVING IT LIKE THAT. LIKE I SAID, THAT IS ALL I AM COMPARING IT TO. THAT HAPPENED, THEY REVERTED BACK TO THE PLAN THAT WAS PASSED 20 YEARS AGO, THEY DID NOT USE IT AND THEY CHANGED IT TO A DIFFERENT PLAN AND NOW THEY ARE GOING BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN AND IT IS AN EXTENSION OF AN EXTENSION OF AN EXTENSION OF A MAJOR MODIFICATION. THAT IS LIKE PAYING RENT . YOU MISSED THIS MONTH. CAN WE GET AN EXTENSION? OH, I MISSED THIS MONTH, CAN I GET ANOTHER EXTENSION? THEY KEEP ON EXTENDING IT. IF YOU PAY IT UP FIRST , YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. THIS NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY DENIED AND SAY, YOU ALL 
          CAN COME BACK WITH A NEW PLAN. >> THANK YOU, YES, MA'AM. RIGHT ON THAT X , AND WE WILL PUT A CAMERA ON IT. AND IF YOU WOULD BRING THAT MICROPHONE CLOSER , THE PEOPLE IN TVLAND CAN HEAR 
          YOU. >> FANTASTIC. GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS AMBER EPPINGER, I LIVE AT 855 FAVER DYKES ROAD , I AM SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED AT THE ENTRANCE OF FAVER DYKES  STATE PARK. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUSHED THROUGH AND WE ARE HERE FOR MODIFICATIONS HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK MY PEACE , FAVER DYKES IS ONE OF THE LAST UNTOUCHED PIECES OF OLD FLORIDA IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT IS A SANCTUARY OF PINES, SAW PALMETTO, AND THAT INCLUDES BLACK BEARS, FLORIDA PANTHERS, OTTERS , AND COUNTLESS MIGRATORY BIRDS. FAMILIES FROM ALL OVER FLORIDA AND BEYOND COME HERE TO FISH AND BIKE IN A NATURAL SETTING THAT IS BECOMING RARE EVERY YEAR. THIS PUD THREATENS THAT IN SEVERAL WAYS. FIRST, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, THE PARK HAS ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT, HAVING A DENSE DEVELOPMENT WILL CREATE SAFETY HAZARDS FOR VISITORS, INCLUDING SCHOOL GROUPS AND FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN. 
          CONSIDERING HOW CLOSE OUR ROAD IS TO THE HIGHWAY, THERE IS NO OPTION FOR A LIGHT, HENCE THE NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS AND DEATHS THAT HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED. IN YOUR DISCUSSION, I ASKED THAT YOU REMOVE ENTRANCES AND EXITS ALONG U.S. 1, THE PARK REQUEST FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS, THE WILDLIFE DOES NOT STOP AT PARK BOUNDARIES. IT DISRUPTS HABITATS AND INCREASES WILDLIFE CONFLICTS, UNDERMINING THE VERY MISSION OF THE PARK, THIRD, VISITOR EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE COMING TO ADJOURN SEEK NATURE. 
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IT SHOULD BE A GATEWAY TO OLD FLORIDA, NOT A LOT TO ROOFTOPS AND PAYMENTS. THE CHARACTER OF THE PARK AND ITS DRAW FOR ECOTOURISM WILL BE PERMANENTLY DIMINISHED. FINALLY, PRECEDENCE . APPROVING DEVELOPMENT AT THE EDGE OF THIS PARK OPENS THE DOOR TO FURTHER ENCROACHMENT ON PROTECTED LANDS ACROSS OUR COUNTY. ONCE WE ALLOW ONE , IT BECOMES HARDER TO SAY NO TO THE NEXT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE LAND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOPMENT, ON FAVER DYKES ROAD, THIS ALONE ENDANGERS OUR WATERWAYS , CONSIDERING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING PESTICIDES, FERTILIZERS, AND A LITANY OF OTHER THINGS THAT WILL RUN INTO OUR BEAUTIFUL AND PRISTINE PELLICER CREEK . I WONDER HOW THE RESIDENTS OF FLAGG LAGOON WOULD FEEL ABOUT THE RUNOFF KILLING FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSIONERS, FLORIDA IS UNDER ENORMOUS DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE. SOME PLACES REMAIN OFF LIMITS . OUR STATE PARKS ARE LIVING CLASSROOMS, AND ECONOMIC PARTNERS AND LEGACIES FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, ONCE WE LOSE THEM, WE CAN NEVER GET THEM BACK. I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO PROTECT FAVER DYKES STATE PARK AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT TREASURE IT AND I ASKED THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENTRANCE AND CONSIDER MOVING THE ENTRANCES UP TO SOMEWHERE OFF OF U.S. 1 WHICH COULD BECOME A MUCH MORE VIABLE SOLUTION. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO TO THIS EXTENSION AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND 
          CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU, ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> BEE CLAY, LISTED AS ST. AUGUSTINE. IT IS FAIRLY OBVIOUS , SORRY, SIR. YOU CAN DO A VOTE HEARD. IT CAN BE 5-0 DENYING IT FOR THE REASONS YOU HAVE HEARD AND THIS IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING. AND IT WAS VERY GOOD TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE CONCERNED, THAT IS WHO COMES IN TO TALK WITH YOU, PUD'S ARE JUST A WAY TO GET AROUND THINGS. 
          THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ALWAYS WILL BE. I WANTED THANK PEOPLE WHO CAME IN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. REALLY AND TRULY . I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW. IF THEY WERE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE CLOCK, THAT CLOCK TELLS YOU HOW MANY MINUTES YOU HAVE . THE LAST SPEAKER, THAT WAS EXCELLENT , I MEAN, TRULY EXCELLENT. SHE REALLY DID A JOB TO PRESERVE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE COME HERE TO SPEAK ON IT AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING? I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE OBSERVED THE CLOCK . AND WE GOT TO ONE SECOND. IT FROZE. FOR A FEW EXTRA MINUTES. AND SHE GOT HER SPEECH DONE, A LITTLE BIT PAST THAT EXTRA FEW SECONDS. I NEVER GO OVER MY THREE MINUTES BECAUSE I RESPECT EVERYBODY ELSE WHO CAN HAVE THEIR THREE MINUTES . BUT I TRULY ENJOY THAT. SOMETIMES , I DON'T OBSERVE THE CLOCK . THAT WAS VERY NICE. WAY TO GO, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. YOU HAVE YOUR EYES OPEN. THANK YOU, JUST VOTE 
          NO. >> ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, WE 
          WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD, ANY MORE 
          COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OH? >> IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER, PLEASE, BE READY, GO AHEAD. 
          >> DONE THEM TRAIL . >> WHAT IS YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY. 
          >> CAROL. I WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH VOTING NO. WHEN I BOUGHT OUR FOREVER HOME LAST YEAR , WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF ADOPTION AND I HAVE DREAMS OF RAISING OUR CHILDREN 
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IN A RURAL COMMUNITY SURROUNDED BY WHAT WE HAVE AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THE AREA LOVES THE RURAL NATURE OF IT. AND ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          >> THANK YOU, ANYONE ELSE? >> ROBERT WEISS , 606 INSULAR ROAD . I WAS NOT PLANNING ON SPEAKING THIS MORNING. LOOKING AT THE PUD , CLASS A INFRASTRUCTURE , FACING THE MAIN ROAD . WHAT YOU DO NOT SEE IS THE BACKSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT . ALL THE TRASH AND REFUGE IS GOING TO BE LEFT. THIS IS THE WILDLIFE HERE. WILD TURKEYS , GOPHER TORTOISES AND SEVERAL OTHER SOON -TO -BE ENDANGERED SPECIES . EVEN THOUGH THE PUD HAS BEEN GRANTED, APPROVALS CAN BE RESCINDED . YOU CAN TALK TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. WHEN IT WAS APPROVED FOR A1A, THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL ENDOWMENT RIGHT THERE. THE COMMUNITY AREAS, THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL , THE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED PICKED UP AND RECEIVED WAS RESCINDED DUE TO THE INPUT OF THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE GENERAL AREA. I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IMPACT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO THE FAVER DYKES STATE PARK AREA AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT THAT. EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN APPROVED, PLEASE CONSIDER EXTENDING IT -- RESENDING IT . 
          WE ARE CLOSED . UPCOMING? >> COMMISSIONERS , I WANT TO BRING THE FOCUS BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE I THINK. FOCUSING ON THE FACT THAT IT IS A COMMERCIAL PROJECT. IT IS A COMMERCIAL PROJECT BY OWNER , NOT A DEVELOPER IN OUR COUNTY. AN OWNER THAT OWNS OTHER COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET FROM THIS OWNER. YOU KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE A QUALITY PROJECT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE ME, I APOLOGIZE, DO NOT HOLD IT AGAINST MY CLIENT. I WILL CONFESS THAT I AM A HIRED GUN TO GIVE A PRESENTATION. IF I HAVE SAID SOMETHING OFFENSIVE, I APOLOGIZE. DO NOT PLEASE HOLD THAT AGAINST MY CLIENT. THESE ARE GOOD FOLKS WHO HAVE DONE GOOD THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE TALK ABOUT THE TAX BASE AND WE HAVE A PROJECT HERE THAT IS EXACTLY SPOT ON WITH WHAT YOU WOULD WANT. IT IS INTERESTING, WHAT IS MISSING FROM THE COMMUNICATION ? WHAT ISMISSING? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS SENT TO TELL PEOPLE TO OPPOSE THIS PROJECT. I FOCUSED IN MY PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT AN ENTITLED PROJECT BECAUSE IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME FROM THE TONE OF THE EMAILS AND WHERE FOLKS LIVE , I WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WERE RESIDENTS FROM FAVER DYKES WHO IDENTIFIED THEIR ADDRESS AS FAVER DYKES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE EMAILS AND YOU SEE WHERE THEY LIVE, THE VAST, VAST, VAST MAJORITY, IN FACT, I COULD ONLY IDENTIFY TWO WHO WERE RESIDENTS , ONE OF THEM SPOKE HERE TODAY, WHO WERE RESIDENTS OF FAVER DYKES. THERE ARE FOLKS WHO DO NOT LIVE WITHIN 35,000 LINEAR FEET OF THE PROJECT. 206 , CREST ROAD BEACH , THE SHORES, EVEN FURTHER NORTH. ONE OF THEM PURPORTS TO HAVE AN ADDRESS OF FAVER DYKES THAT IS NOT 
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HOMESTEADED PROPERTY, I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU, NOT ALL THOSE EMAILS ARE WHAT YOU MAY PERCEIVE THEM TO BE. WHAT MESSAGE WAS GIVEN TO ELICIT THAT RESPONSE? THE HEIGHT , WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT WILL EXIST. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS NOT ONLY ONE THAT MY PROJECT GOT APPROVED BUT WENT AHEAD WITH THE ENHANCEMENT DISTRICT , TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND NOT ONLY GET THE PLANS APPROVED BUT TO ACTUALLY DO AND PERFORM THE WORK. EVERYTHING DOWN TO USING SOMETHING CALLED A GATOR BAG THAT HOLDS A LOT OF WATER, TO MAKE SURE THE TREES WOULD SURVIVE THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PONDS. A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY HAS BEEN PUT INTO THIS PROPERTY. I GUESS I WILL SHARE A COUPLE THINGS IN REBUTTAL. IF I PUT MY LAWYER HOT ON , I LOOK FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF BANTER ABOUT IT, NOT WITH ME, BUT AT THE PZA LEVEL AND IT DID RESULT IN ATE 4-3 VOTE AT PZA. 
          THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS, SINCE '09, IT HAS BEEN BETTER. IT IS CLEAR THE PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IT IS VERY CLEAR THE OWNER WILL DEVELOP IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND I GUESS THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION OF WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY , WHY ACCELERATE IT ? IF YOU DENY THE MAJMOD,  WHY FINISH THAT? I THINK THAT , WHAT IS THE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. BY THE WAY , WE CAN EASILY REMOVE THE HEIGHT LIMITATION FROM THE EQUATION IF THAT IS THE BASIS OF THE DENIAL. IT IS JUST NOT A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE TO MY CLIENT. 
          THEN I WOULD SAY, BUT, WHERE IS THE OUTSTANDING STAFF COMMENT? THERE ARE NO CONCERNS EXPRESSED RELATED TO US . IT IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY, THOROUGHLY VETTED OVER THE YEARS. IT IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME AND IT IS, AGAIN, A COMMERCIAL PROJECT. WE SINCERELY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS MAJOR MOD. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH, MY CLIENT IS HERE, MR. PERRY, AND HE CAN TALK TO YOU AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SO THAT YOU CAN GET 
          SOME PERSPECTIVE . >> COMMISSIONER ZVAR? 
          >> THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO CAME OUT TO SPEAK, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE FROM FAVER DYKES CAME UP TO SPEAK. THIS IS YOUR HOME . I APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO CAME FORWARD TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. A QUICK REMINDER BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT, WHEN ANASTASIA STATE PARK HAD PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA, EVERY COMMISSIONER STOOD STRONG SPEAKING OUT AGAINST DEVELOPING ANASTASIA STATE PARK. I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER MURPHY ATTENDED A PRESS CONFERENCE AND COMMISSIONER ARNOLD LED A PRESS CONFERENCE TO OPPOSE DEVELOPING THE STATE PARKS. AND GOODNESS GRACIOUS , HOW TIME FLIES. EVERY COMMISSIONER ON THIS BOARD STOOD TOGETHER, STOOD STRONG TO OPPOSE DEVELOPMENT AT THE STATE PARK. 
          ON STATE ROUTE 207 WOULD HAVE ENCROACHED ON OUR FARMLAND . 
          RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF FARM COUNTRY AND THE BOARD AT THE TIME DENIED ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE ENCROACHED ONTO FARMLAND , INCLUDING ONE YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF, THE ROBINSON , WE HAVE DENIED DEVELOPMENTS TIME AND TIME AGAIN . I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN GET UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THE FLATS , WHERE PELLICER CREEK DUMPS INTO THE FLATS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO PROTECT THE FLATS. 
          HE SERVED ON THE BOARD, I APPRECIATE HIS SERVICE. I DON'T 
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SEE HIM NOW. I HEARD IT IN PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. BURNETT IS CORRECT . WE ARE NOT APPEAR TO CONSIDER WHETHER THIS DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE. BY LAW, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ONLY THE EVIDENCE BEFORE US ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. I CANNOT DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT IS COMPATIBLE , I CANNOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, BY LAW, WHETHER OR NOT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL DUMP INTO THE FLATS. ALL I AM ALLOWED TO CONSIDER IS WHETHER IT IS REASONABLE TO EXTEND. HERE IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS. I DO WORK FOR YOU. MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, WE CAN DENIED THE EXTENSION AND I BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPER, WHO IS IN BUSINESS TO DEVELOP PARCELS OF LAND, THAT IS WHAT THEY DO, TO MAKE MONEY, THEY WILL ACTIVATE THEIR LAND AND MAKE MONEY. OR WE CAN GRANT THE EXTENSION AND IT WILL DELAY THIS DEVELOPMENT. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2009, AS EVERYBODY RECOGNIZED, THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, IT IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COUNTY AND THOSE WHO WANT TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THAT PART OF OUR COUNTY. IT IS IN OUR INTERESTS TO DELAY THIS DEVELOPMENT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. I AM IN FAVOR OF THE EXTENSION FOR THOSE REASONS. NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS A NEW APPLICATION, WHAT ARE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, WHAT IMPACT WILL IT HAVE ON THE ENVIRONMENT? THOSE ARE ALL THINGS I CAN CONSIDER. I HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT BREVARD VERSUS SNYDER, A CASE LAW THAT WAS DECIDED IN THE '90S, IT SAYS VERY CLEARLY THAT WE MUST CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE. I AM TRYING TO DO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO SERVE YOU AND THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS A WHOLE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. 
          >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP, THE FACT THAT, IF THEY CANNOT RUSH IT FORWARD BECAUSE THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THERE, WHEN YOU WATCH THE PZA, I REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR SERVICE. EVEN GREG WAS FOR CLAMPED ABOUT, YOU KNOW? IT HAS BEEN YEARS, NOTHING IS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, HE HAD A HARD TIME EVEN FLOATING THIS, BECAUSE HE HAD TO PUT THE SEWER WITH THE TRIGGER , FOR THE FACING. I THINK IF WE DO NOT EXTEND THE EXTENSION, I THINK THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO RETHINK WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND I THINK THEY WILL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE AND GOOD FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I AM AGAINST IT. I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE REASONS TO DENY IN OUR FOLDER, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT ONE OF THEM IS NUMBER SEVEN, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BREVARD COUNTY, WHICH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST MENTIONED, THAT WAS USED TO DENY THE EXTENSION. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT IS NOT 
          APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR ? 
          >> THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO SPOKE. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO EMAILED US AS WELL. 
          I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. RUBINO SHARED AS WELL. I DO NOT NEED TO BE REMINDED OF WHY I AM HERE. I AM HERE TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY. AND I DO NOT TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED, NOR DO I NEED TO BE REMINDED. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO BE EXTENDING THIS AT ALL. AND I AGREE, WE NEED TO VOTE NO ON 
          THIS EXTENSION. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY, YOUR 
          LIGHT IS ON. >> YES, MA'AM. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE . BEING IN MY DISTRICT , THIS WAS A DIFFICULT CALL, I RESPECT COMMISSIONER ZVAR -- WHITEHURST, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES I HAD, IF WE VOTE AGAINST THIS, WILL WE KICK INTO HIGH GEAR? MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS NOT THAT THEY WOULD BUILD THIS PARTICULAR THING BUT THEY WOULD SELL IT TO AMAZON WHO COULD BRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOWN U.S. 1 , WHICH IS CONCERNING TO ME. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS. SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE, THE DRAINAGE INTO PELLICER CREEK. I WOULD REALLY WANT TO BE 
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ABLE TO EXPLORE THAT MORE.  SO , I RECOGNIZE THE LEGAL THOUGHTS GOING FORWARD WITH THIS BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS I STILL QUESTION. SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS MAJOR MOD 
          2025-04 HYDE PARK P UT. >> I WILL SECOND. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION, LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES , 4-1. IT HAS BEEN DENIED. 
          >> AND IF I MAY, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, CAN I MAKE A MOTION, OR DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT? I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY MAJOR MODIFICATION 2025-06 HYDE PARK 
          PUD -- PRD. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT IS DENIED , 4-1. ALL RIGHT, AGENDA 
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ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS . PRESENTATION TO COME UP. CAN YOU 
          PULL UP MY PRESENTATION? >> FOLKS , IF YOU WOULD HOLD THE CONVERSATIONS FOR THE FOYER , PLEASE, WE STILL HAVE BUSINESS 
          CAN -- TO CONDUCT. >> MY ADDRESS IS MATZOT AVENUE , ST. AUGUSTINE AND WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH DEREK QUINN , THE LAND PLANNING AND ENTITLED -- ENTITLEMENT MANAGER. 
          >> WE DO HAVE A QUASIJUDICIAL. IS THAT ALL RIGHT ? COMMISSIONER 
          WHITEHURST ? >> I DID MEET WITH JUSTIN DUDLEY TO DISCUSS THE SITE LOCATION. THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON, I 
          CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME. >> DAIRY QUEEN. 
          >> WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE BRI AND THE IMPACT THIS 
          WOULD HAVE. >> I HAD THE SAME MEETING ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC AND THE ENTITLEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          >> I HAD A MEETING WITH DEREK, CATHERINE, AND STAFF , AND I HAD A MEETING WITH A RESIDENT ON SEPTEMBER 26TH . 
          >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY ? >> ONE -PLUS EMAIL WITH DEREK 
          QUEENER. >> I HAVE NO EMAILS . NOW , IT 
          IS YOUR TURN. >> ALONG WITH DEREK QUEENER , WHO WE ALL MET , WE HAVE KIMMY HORN , THE CIVIL ENGINEER AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNER . FIRST, I AM GOING TO FAMILIARIZE YOU WITH THE TRENTON AND THE PUD, WE ARE COMBINING THESE APPLICATIONS INTO SOME PRESENTATIONS AND THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GARRETT FOR SOME DETAILS ABOUT THE PROPOSED UPCOMING PROJECT. IT WOULD DISCUSS THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP , IT IS ALSO CALLED THE BRI -- DRI AND IT WAS ADOPTED IN 1991 ALMOST 35 YEARS AGO COMPRISED OF TWO ] I CAN NEVER GET THIS HERE. OKAY WELL MAYBE I WILL USE THIS ONE. OKAY. I WILL TRY TO DO IT WITH WORDS. ON THE TOP RIGHT IS THE INTERCHANGE PARCELS, THE NORTHWEST PROJECT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT AND THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT , THIS IS WHERE YOU SEE 
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THE PROPOSED PROJECT. ON THE LEFT IS THE SIX MILE CREEK PUD, ALSO A COMPONENT OF THIS DRI. BOTH OF THESE WERE APPROVED IN 1991, ROUGHLY 35 YEARS AGO. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THESE ARE BLUE. 
          THIS IS THE FUTURE USE MAP, IT IS NOT THE COLORS YOU ARE USED TO SEEING ON THE FUTURE USE MAP, THIS IS ONE OF THE THREE OLDEST DRI , THE OTHERS BEING -- IT PREDATES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT THE LAND USE DESIGNATION WAS ACTUALLY DRI . SIX MILE CREEK, AS I SAID, IS NOT AFFECTED BY THESE MODIFICATIONS. THERE IT GOES . THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP . THIS IS THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT , THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT, THIS IS THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, THE SQUIGGLY LINE , THAT IS WHERE THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS . 
          THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEAOF WHERE THIS IS. THIS IS MARFAN DOWN HERE, THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT, WE HAVE THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT. THIS IS COSTCO, AND HOME DEPOT. WE HAVE STATE ROUTE 16, I-95, IDP , AND THE SIX MILE CREEK PUD . HERE IS TRAIL MARK , YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS . JUST BACKGROUND INFORMATION WITH DRI , AS I MENTIONED , THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS WERE APPROVED 35 YEARS AGO, 35 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL , NO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, NEARLY 8000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE PLANS WERE DEVELOPED WHEN THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED AND THIS IS A FEW HIGH POINTS OF IT. THEY DEDICATED THREE PUBLIC SCHOOLS SITES , CROSSING THE CITY BAY AND RECREATION . 377-ACRE TURNBULL CREEK RECREATION PARCEL , TWO GOLF COURSES AND THE OTHERS ARE SANDERS AND SQUIRE, AND VARIOUS OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL PARKS. IT PRESERVES MORE OR LESS 2800 ACRES OF WETLAND CREATION AND RESTORATION AND THE TRANSPORTATION CONSTRUCTION OF LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, GOING INTO THE DETAILS OF IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, HOPEFULLY . 
          IT WILL BE A FEW MOMENTS . 
          SURROUNDING ZONING MAP. HIGHLY SURROUNDED BY PUD. IT IS LOCATED WITH THE EXISTING BOUNDARY AREA , THIS MAP CLEARLY SHOWS THE INFINITE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT AND WHERE IT IS LOCATED. THE PINK COLOR IS THE SUBJECT , OF THESE APPLICATIONS, PARCELS 9 THROUGH 12 OF THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT AND HERE YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS PARKLAND PRESERVE AGAIN, THIS IS BANNER LAKES . AND OVER HERE, WE HAVE THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT. THESE PARCELS , 9 THROUGH 12 OF THE LAST REMAINING PARCELS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS QUADRANT IS DEVELOPED. CURRENTLY, THESE PARCELS HAVE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS , THEY ARE ACTIVE . THIS MAP DEVELOPMENTS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FEWER ARE COMPATIBLE THAN WHAT IS APPROVED FOR THESE 
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PARCELS, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND OFFICE. THE RESIDENTIAL AREA HAS BLOWN UP AROUND PARCELS. IT IS CLEARLY MORE COMPATIBLE. THERE IS COMPATIBILITY TABLES IN YOUR REPORT, JUST A SHOUT OUT TO YOUR STAFF, WHO DID A FANTASTIC REVIEW IN THAT STAFF REPORT. SO, THESE ARE THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE USES IRATE, COMMERCIAL, MULTIFAMILY, UNDER THE LOCAL ACT WITH FLORIDA STATUTES. THIS MEANS , THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND ALLOWABLE RIGHT NOW WITH NO FURTHER MODIFICATIONS NEEDED. 
          FOR ANY OF THESE USES, THERE WOULD BE NO DRI OR PUD MODIFICATION, GOING IN AND PULLING CONSTRUCTION PLANS SO IF THESE, IF THESE APPLICATIONS THAT I BRING BEFORE YOU TODAY, FOR RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOMES , ARE NOT APPROVED, ANY OF THESE USES WILL REMAIN ALLOWABLE . IF IT IS APPROVED, IT IS SIGNIFICANT ZONING FOR THESE PARCELS . HERE THEY ARE , IN BLUE, THAT IS PARCELS NINE THROUGH 12. YOU CAN SEE PARKLAND PRESERVE SURROUNDING IT . YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, RIGHT NOW APPROVED, MAP FH FOR THIS. YOU REALIZE THIS IS THE NDP MAP . AS YOU CAN SEE, IT LOOKS , JUST LIKE OURS. EXCEPT RESIDENTIAL HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE USES SO WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO TODAY, AS PARKLAND PRESERVE IT, ADD RESIDENTIAL TO THESE PARCELS . 
          15 HAS BEEN MODIFIED , RESIDENTIAL WAS APPROVED , FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, APPROVED FOR RESIDENTIAL, THESE WERE REZONED IN 2021 . WHAT DOES THIS DO? LIKE PARKLAND PRESERVE, IT ADDS RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS TO THOSE FIVE PARCELS. 
          CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS IMPORTANT. CONSTRUCTION WILL ELIMINATE THE POTENTIAL FOR OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON PARCELS NINE THROUGH 12. AND WITH THAT BACKGROUND, I WILL ASK GARRETT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF. DO YOU 
          WANT THIS ONE? >> SURE. I APPRECIATE IT. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY, GARRETT QUEENER, 1274 GRAND BAY PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32258. TO KIND OF BUILD OFF ABOUT WHAT CATHERINE TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WE ARE IN THE WORLD, RIGHT? WE HAVE AN ENTITLED PUD. SHE HAS SHOWN THE GROWTH PATTERN THAT HAS TURNED ULTIMATELY RESIDENTIAL, BRINGING US INTO THE FOLD. 
          ALLOWING THE PARCEL OF THE RESIDENTIAL OFFICE. EXCUSE ME. 
          NOW , WE ARE HERE AS POULTRY HOMES , WE ARE LOOKING HERE TO SAY, LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE ALLOWABLE USES AND WHAT CAN REALLY GO ON THE PARCEL AND START TO PARE BACK WHAT WE COULD FIT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR, BY RIGHT, THE ALLOWED LEASES ARE OUTLINED ACROSS THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM LEFT. WHAT YOU WILL SEE, THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I WILL CALL THEM SITE PLAN ACTUALS, THEY ARE NOT THE MAXIMUM ENTITLEMENTS THAT CAN GO ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY ARE VERY REALISTIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS BASED ON OTHER DEVELOPMENT INTENSITIES THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. I WILL WORK FROM THE TOP LEFT APPEARED A GENERAL OFFICE PLAN ON THIS PARCEL, AGAIN, IN THIS RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR, 860,000 SQUARE FEET OF MAXIMUM BUILDING, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 140 FEET. IS SOMEONE GOING TO BUILD A 140-FOOT TALL OFFICE BUILDING? PROBABLY NOT. BUT HALF OF THAT, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. 
          COMMERCIAL RETAIL, TO THE RIGHT, ALLOWED BY RIGHT AS PART OF THE PUD, AS PART OF THE TRENTON, GETTING CLOSE TO 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDINGS, SEVEN-DAY PER WEEK USAGE, GENERATING TRAFFIC FOR MERCHANDISE, WHAT HAVE YOU, SIGNIFICANT LIGHTING FEATURES AND PARKING, AGAIN, ADJACENT TO THIS, WITH A MAXIMUM OF 100 FEET, WITH THE SIGNAGE. AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING CURRENTLY 
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ALLOWED ON THIS PARCEL. AS WE KIND OF SCALED-DOWN, WE WORK INTO APARTMENTS. AS CATHERINE MENTIONED, IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED KIND OF ACROSS THIS QUADRANT OF THE POD AND JUST GENERALLY IN THIS REGION OF THE COUNTRY YIELDING ALMOST 700 APARTMENTS WITH A HEIGHT OF ABOUT 50 TO 60 FEET. SO, GIVEN ALL THOSE COMPONENTS, WE AT REZ HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THERE IS AN ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY AND IT HAS BECOME RESIDENTIAL IN NEIGHBOR, WE HAVE NOW LOOKED AT THIS AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SCALE THE DENSITY DOWN , AND WE ARE PROPOSING 295 MAXIMUM HOMES, OUR MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR TOWNHOMES IN THE OVERALL PUD , EXCUSE ME, AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF 40 FEET SO, IF WE CONTINUE TO ZOOM IN , NOW WE LOOK AT WHERE EXACTLY ARE WE, CATHERINE SHOWED BE VERBAL OUTLINE, THE RENDERED SITE PLAN , IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE , THE SURROUNDING AREAS OF RESERVATION. THOSE REMAIN , AS PART OF THIS PUD AND DRI, THERE WERE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OF DEVELOPMENT, AND COMPREHENSIVE BUFFERS , WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, IF WE WORK THROUGH THE COMPONENT, THE MAXIMUM PROPOSED HEIGHT OF 25 FEET, VERY IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE USING A VARIETY OF UNIT SIZES, 24 FOOT WIDE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS TO PROVIDE AN ATTAINABLE PRICE POINT, RANGING FROM SMALLER TO LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE PRICE, $350,000 PER UNIT. THE SECOND REASON FOR PARKING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT UNIT WIDTHS IS TO KEEP THE DENSITY, BELOW THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE UNDER THE PUD. SO, WHAT ELSE DOES THIS PLAN HAVE BESIDES TOWNHOMES ? YOU CAN SEE IT OUTLINED IN PURPLE , WE CONSCIOUSLY LOCATED THAT FROM THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH, IN THE BUFFER OR JUST NORTH OF IT IF YOU WILL. IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT , WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING, IN PERPETUITY, OVER 51% OF THE ACTUAL SITE HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE HAVE CONTINUED TO OUTLINE THE POINTS OF THIS PROJECT , WE HAVE DONE THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE HOSTED A WORKSHOP. WE HOSTED A MEETING AT THE PARKLAND PRESERVE AMENITY CENTER TO EDUCATE THEM AND AND FOR THEM ON THE PROJECT AND CONTINUED AN OPEN DIALOGUE WITH THE PARKLAND PRESERVE HOA BOARD. WHERE I AM GOING IS, THE BUFFER THAT I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT, I THINK , IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN VERY COMFORTABLE WITH. SO, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT PODS AND DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THESE THINGS WERE COMPREHENSIVELY PLANNED, RIGHT? IN THE PUD, THE ORIGINAL MAP THAT CATHERINE SHOWED YOU, BETWEEN THE PARKLAND PRESERVE AND OUR POD OF DEVELOPMENT, 85-FOOT-WIDE BUFFER. SO WE HAVE TAKEN A SWATH, OF HOW THESE ACTUALLY RELATE TO EACH OTHER, I WILL START FROM THE RIGHT , AND THEN TO OUR LEFT. SO OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING RESIDENCES OF PARKLAND PRESERVE, THERE ARE ABOUT 10 OR SO THAT ABOUT OUR PROPERTY . AND THAT OWNS THE FIRST 60 FEET OF THAT 85-FOOT BUFFER. OUR PARCEL BEING UNDEVELOPED, WE ARE COMING INTO THE PICTURE AND WE ARE ADDING ON THE REMAINING 25 FEET TO COMPLETE THE 85-FOOT -WIDE BUFFER. IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RESIDENCE, HOA BOARD, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT MAYBE NOT THE VEGETATION BUT POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING A NON-AGE-RESTRICTED COMMUNITY. AT THE REQUEST OF THE PARKLAND PRESERVE RESIDENTS, WE HAVE ADDED A SECURITY FENCE AT THE 25-FOOT BUFFER. IF YOU MOVE TO THE LEFT, WE HAVE A 20-FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK, TOGETHER ALL OF THIS GIVES YOU AN ACTUAL SEPARATION OF ABOUT 125 FEET , WHICH IS VERY SUBSTANTIAL. IF YOU KEEP LOOKING AT THIS. WE HAVE GONE TO LENGTHS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE BUFFER LOOKS LIKE. THIS 
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IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL PLANTED BUFFER. THIS IS SOMETHING NATURAL, VERY WELL GROWN IN. THESE ARE IN PARKLAND PRESERVE , THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT , YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL PERSPECTIVE, HOW THAT BUFFER LOOKS AND TO PROVIDE SOME REASSURANCES TO THE RESIDENTS, ABOUT HOW THIS BUFFER WORKS WHEN YOU BUILD A TWO-STORY TOWNHOME WITH A HEIGHT OF ABOUT 25 FEET, THIS IS THE VIEW OF WHAT YOU SEE. THIS BUFFER IS VERY SUBSTANTIAL . WITH SIGNIFICANT UNDERGROWTH . I WILL GRAB ONE MORE POINT BEFORE BILL COMES UP, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENCE THAT HAS THE TOP PATIO THAT GOES OUT THERE, THERE IS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS DIRECTLY THAT RESIDENCE AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT SAME 60-FOOT BUFFER BY VIRTUE OF SOME OLD PLANNING TECHNIQUES THAT HAVE BECOME DEFUNCT . AS PART OF OUR COORDINATION, WE HAVE AGREED TO DONATE A TRACT OF LAND TO PROVIDE THEM THE REASSURANCE THAT THEY NEED OF WHAT WOULD BE OCCURRING. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO BILL SCHILLING . I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. AND BILL WILL WALK YOU THROUGH IT . THANK YOU. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, I AM BILL SCHILLING, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER LICENSED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. MY ADDRESS IS 12740, GRANDVIEW , I AM HERE TO TOUCH ON SCHOOLS AND TRAFFIC AND SHARE WITH EVERYONE WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED WITH THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR ON THE PROJECT AND SO, A COUPLE THINGS TO SHARE, THIS PROJECT IS WITHIN THE ST. JOHNS DRI. AT THE TIME THE DRI  WAS APPROVED, THERE WAS AN OVERALL MITIGATION PLAN FOR SCHOOLS AND FOR THE STUDENTS, THAT WOULD BE GENERATED WITHIN THE PROJECT. ON THIS MAP THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITEMS BEING SHOWN. THE FIRST PART SHOWS THAT IT IS PART OF THE MITIGATION PLAN CONSISTING OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE GREEN DOTS. NORTH CREEK ELEMENTARY, AND ALL OF THE LAND FOR THE THREE SCHOOLS, APPROXIMATELY 89 ACRES, THOSE PARCELS IN THE DRI WERE PART OF THE MITIGATION PLAN. AS PART OF THAT  MITIGATION PLAN, THE STUDENTS HAVE INDICATED THAT WHAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THIS, ESSENTIALLY INVESTED IN THAT PART OF THE PLAN, AND WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND HAVE DEMONSTRATED AN CONFIRMED THAT THE STUDENTS WILL BE GENERATED BY THESE TOWNHOMES, THEY ARE WITHIN THAT . WE DO WANT TO TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE ATTENDANCE ZONE FOR THE PROJECT WAS RIGHT HERE, THE STUDENTS FOR THE PROJECT ARE WITHIN THE ATTENDANCE ZONES FROM NORTH CREEK ACADEMY AND CLAY CREEK HIGH SCHOOL, THEY WERE PART OF THE MITIGATION PLANS, SO WE WANTED TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH AND DIG A LITTLE DEEPER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT AVAILABILITY IS IN THE SCHOOLS, REALLY, OVER THE NEXT FIVE-YEAR HORIZON AS THE PROJECT DEVELOPS. I JUMPED AHEAD A SLIDE. THIS SLIDE SHOWS WHAT WE DID RECEIVE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, CONFIRMING THAT THESE STUDENTS ARE WITHIN THE MITIGATION PLAN. THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE UTILIZED MITIGATION PLAN. SO, THAT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY STAFF. AND THIS GETS US INTO THE DATA. AND I APOLOGIZE. IT IS A SLIDE, I KNOW I AM ALWAYS TOLD NEVER PUT A SLIDE WITH A LOT OF NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN. SO, THE PROJECT, THE 295 TOWNHOMES ARE EXPECTED TO GENERATE 68 NEW STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE ATTENDING THOSE NEW SCHOOLS AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AS PART OF THE 
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ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM AND THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT MILLCREEK ACADEMY, IN THIS PAST SCHOOL YEAR, IT HAS THE LATEST DATA, AT 89% OF UNIT CAPACITY AND SUPPORT, WHICH , AGAIN, IS NEW, FAIRLY NEW IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, HIGH SCHOOL AT 87%. THE QUESTION WAS RAISED, SOME OF THOSE STUDENTS ARE BEING HOUSED IN THE FLORIDA BASIN AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT SO WE DID TAKE THE ANALYSIS ONE STEP FURTHER TO TRY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON, AND HOW THESE MAY FIT INTO THE OVERALL SCHOOL SYSTEM. WHAT WE DID DISCOVER WAS OVERALL TODAY , IN THE MOST RECENT SCHOOL, ROUGHLY 25% OF THE STUDENTS , BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A ROBUST PROGRAM THAT THEY ARE BUILDING OUT , AND IN FACT , WE HAVE A K-8 SCHOOL REFERENCED THAT WOULD BE OPEN THE NEXT SCOOL YEAR, AND RIGHT NOW , THERE IS A WORK PROGRAM WITH THE ROBUST SCHOOL EXPANSION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON , 2028 -29 SCHOOL YEAR, THE DISTRICT WILL BE BALANCING ONLY 2% . RIGHT NOW, SPECIFICALLY FOR MILLCREEK ACADEMY, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE EXPECTATION IS IN THAT HIGH SCHOOL, THERE WILL BE, I THINK, A VERY GOOD STORY RIGHT NOW ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE AVAILABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE 68 NEW STUDENTS , THE SECOND ITEM IS TRAFFIC. IT IS A SIMILAR STORY ON THE TRAFFIC, IN THAT, THE YEAR THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BACK IN THE EARLY- '90S, THERE WAS A ROBUST MITIGATION PLAN PUT TOGETHER TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC TO BE GENERATED BY ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PROJECT. WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDST OF THAT MITIGATION PLAN SO IT HAS NOT BEEN ENTIRELY COMPLETED, WHAT WE CAN SHARE IS, AS WE STAND HERE TODAY IN 20 $25, THE DRI HAS SPENT THE EQUIVALENT OF ROUGHLY $66 MILLION ON OFF-SITE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE INCLUDED THE INTERCHANGE, THE INTERCHANGE WITH I-95, WIDENING IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO STATE ROUTE 16 , AS WELL AS SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT IMPROVED THE SIGNALIZATION OF PARKLAND TRAIL AND IG P , WHERE THE LATEST PROJECT INTERFACES , AND PART OF THE REASON I SAID WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDST OF THE MITIGATION PLAN, THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO BE MADE. AND IN THE IMPROVEMENT THAT IS IN THE VICINITY AND ONE OF THE NEXT THAT WE ANTICIPATE IS RELATED TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY BASICALLY WEST, I'M SORRY, EAST TO U.S. 1, REQUIRING THE EXPANSION AND ADDITION , OF THE SHOULDER, THROUGH THAT SEGMENT THAT GOES THROUGH 12 MILES , WE HAVE HAD EXTENSION WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DESCRIPTION -- DISTRICT AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST USE OF DOLLARS RIGHT NOW TO ADD A PAVED SHOULDER TO INTERNATIONAL PARKWAY, THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, IF VERY SENSITIVE AND ENVIRONMENTAL EARLIER AREA AND POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY THROUGH THAT AREA, SO BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WE CHANGE THE IMPROVEMENT TO A FIVE -- $5 MILLION CONTRIBUTION BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST AND EMPHASIS ON IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERCHANGE , SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTY TO PUT THESE DOLLARS SPECIFICALLY FOR IMPROVEMENTS 
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DEEMED MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY, THAT IS PART OF THE PROPOSAL THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. CONVERTING THAT TO A $5 MILLION CONTRIBUTION AND I WILL SHARE , HOW DID WE GET TO THAT NUMBER, THE NUMBER WAS BASED ON THE WORK THAT WE DID WITH COUNTY STAFF TO COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE, OF HOW MUCH THOSE PAVED SHOULDERS WOULD COST , WE ESTIMATED IT WOULD COST ROUGHLY $5 MILLION, IT IS THE EQUIVALENCY OF ASSEMBLING THAT. 
          GARRETT TALKED A LITTLE BIT, SO , WE WILL GET TO TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC GENERATION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO SHARE, AS WE LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY AND WHAT IS CONSISTENT , ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE ARE THE TOWNHOMES , WE BELIEVE, AND I BELIEVE ARE MORE CONSISTENT FROM TRAFFIC GENERATION WITH THE OTHER USES IN THE AREA. I KNOW THAT GARRETT TALKED ABOUT PARCELS NINE THROUGH 12, WHAT CAN REASONABLY BE BILLED TODAY WITH THE DRI WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 280,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, 860,000 SQUARE FEET OF GENERAL OFFICE, AND UP TO 669 LIVE LOCAL APARTMENTS. AND WE DID A COMPARISON MOVING TRAFFIC GENERATION. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK FROM DAILY TRIP GENERATION? A TOTAL TRIP GENERATION THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WHAT IS EVIDENT , THAT IS, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE 295 TOWNHOMES GENERATES SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THEN SOME OTHER USES THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED . WE LOOKED AT IT ON PEAK HOURS PER MINUTE. ALMOST 20 TRIPS PER MINUTE AND NEW TRAFFIC ON PARKLAND TRAIL, ON TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, THE TOWNHOMES ARE LESS THAN THAT AT 2.5 TRIPS PER MINUTE . I THINK , ONE THING THAT I DID NOT MENTION BUT WANT TO MENTION. THESE TRIPS THAT WERE ESTIMATED FOR THE TOWNHOMES, AND OBTAINING OR BEING OBTAINED, THROUGH THE LAND USE EXCHANGE TABLE, THAT IS IN THE APPROVED DRI BUDGET, SO , THIS CHANGE , IN THE TOWNHOME UNITS, THEY ARE NOT ADDING ANY MATRIX. THIS IS A COMPARISON OF TRIPS ESSENTIALLY ALREADY APPROVED IT IN THE DRI. JUST TO GET EVERYONE ORIENTED AND WHERE OUR ACCESS WILL BE. THIS IS THE INTERCHANGE, THE SIGNALIZED INTERACTION WITH PARKLAND TRAIL THAT COMES UP. THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKLAND PRESERVE SUBDIVISION, IT IS RIGHT HERE. 
          THIS IS THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE, THE DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY PAVED AND CONNECTED TO PARKLAND TRAIL, THAT IS WHERE IT WILL INTERFACE WITH THE ROADWAY NETWORK. AND WE PUT TOGETHER THIS SLIDE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD IN OUR MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND PRESERVE, THE SUBDIVISION IS AGAIN OVER HERE, THE ENTRY GATE, CONCERN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. WOULD THERE BE THE NEED FOR THE SIGNAL, ET CETERA ? THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT PROVIDING THE LEFT TURN LANE, OUR FOLKS TURNING LEFT WOULD NOT OBSTRUCT THAT COMING INTO THE SITE. SO WE GENERATED THE NUMBERS AND RIGHT NOW , THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE TOWNHOMES WILL HAVE A STOP SIGN . THEY WILL STOP AND CONTROL THE TRAFFIC . THEY WILL NOT HAVE A STOP SIGN, IT WILL BE UNIMPEDED BY THIS INTERSECTION . AS WELL, WE RAN THE ANALYSIS ON THE A.M. AND THE P.M. PEAK HOURS AND THE VOLUMES WERE NOWHERE NEAR NEEDING THAT FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WE CREATED THE SLIDE AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE SLIDE FROM PZA,  BUT THIS IS REGARDING THE LEFT TURN LANE , WE MET WITH SEVERAL RESIDENTS ABOUT CONCERNS OF THE LEFT TURN LANE SO WE HAVE CREATED THIS 
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EXHIBIT, COMING INTO THE SUBDIVISION . THIS IS A FOUR-LANE ROADWAY . IT NARROWS TO TWO LANES, WE HAVE SHOWN THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ABLE TO MARK THE LEFT TURN LANE THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THE INBOUND LANE . SO THIS SHOWS A PLAN FOR THE STRIPING AND SIGNAGE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE SHARED THIS WITH THE RESIDENTS, REFLECTING THE CYCLE OF SIGNAGE DO CREATE THAT LEFT TURN LANE. WE HAVE MADE IT PART OF THE OFFICIAL RESIDENCE . AND SO, THAT , I WILL TURN BACK OVER TO KATHRYN TO KIND OF FINISH UP THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. 
          >> JUST AS A BIT OF A RECAP TO ILLUSTRATE ALTOGETHER, THESE ARE SOME OF THE KEY COMBINED REQUESTS OF THE TWO APPLICATIONS . IT IS A DEVELOPMENT OF 295 TOWNHOME UNITS AS BILL JUST MENTIONED, MAP H NOW ADDS TO EACH ONE OF THOSE PARCELS. IT IS A LAND USE EXCHANGE, THEY ARE CONVERTING SQUARE FEET IN INDUSTRIAL ENTITLEMENTS TO ARRIVE AT THE 295 TOWNHOME UNITS . BUT THAT IS AN EQUIVALENT SWATH ALLOWED UNDER THE DRI . WE DID INCREASE THE PUD CAP FROM 3120 TO 3267 , IT IS 148 MORE TO GET TO THE 295, USING VESTED AND ALREADY ACCOUNTED-FOR TRANSPORTATION TRIPS FROM DRI , AS BILL SHOWED YOU , SUBSTITUTING THE $5 MILLION PAYMENT, FOR IMPROVEMENTS ALONG IGT , AND CONSTRUCTING THE PREVIOUS ONE THROUGH THE 12-MILE SWAMP CONSERVATION AREA SUGGESTED BY STAFF. EXPANDS THE TRANSPORTATION AREA TO INCLUDE I-95 , IGP , AND WEST OF INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS, USING MITIGATION DOLLARS AND CAUSES MUCH LESS IMPACT TO WETLANDS AND TREES THROUGH THE SWAMP. 
          APPROVAL OF THE INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE TOWNHOMES PROJECT. SOME CLEANUP AND ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS , LEGISLATIVE EXTENSIONS AND CLEANS UP SOME OF THE OBSOLETE THINGS THAT ARE IN THOSE APPROVALS, THEY ARE COVERED IN THE STAFF REPORT , IN THE REDLINES ATTACHED. YOU CAN SEE THE CLEANUP MATTERS. THE TOWNHOME PROJECT GENERATES SUBSTANTIALLY LESS TRAFFIC THAN ALL OTHER USES. THERE IS A 75 , SORRY. THERE IS A 75-85% REDUCTION FROM OFFICE OR COMMERCIAL RETAIL, THE TOWNHOMES ARE VESTED FOR SCHOOL COMPLIANCE , GENERATING STUDENTS ALLOWABLE , SCHOOL IMPACTS ARE MITIGATED FOR UNDER THE DRI. AMENDS THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT OBLIGATIONS TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY, AND GIVES MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY TO THE COUNTY, EXCHANGE IN USE INCREASE IN NOTE AT -- NO NET , I MENTIONED A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THE EQUIVALENT AMOUNT OF TRIPS FROM WHAT IS ALREADY ENTITLED. SIGNIFICANTLY LESS USE THAN THE CURRENTLY-ALLOWABLE USES BY RIGHT, GARRETT SHOWED YOU, IT IS WELL BUFFERED, COMPATIBLE . AND FINALLY, THE PROJECT WAS 
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UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY PZA AND DEVELOPS PROPERTY IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.  PROMOTES INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND PREVENTS URBAN SPRAWL, BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS ARE ENCOURAGED UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT ENSURES PRESERVATION OF NATURAL SYSTEMS AND IT PROVIDES A MIX OF PRICE RANGES THAT FACILITATE A RANGE OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. AND, WITH THAT, I WILL ASK MY TEAM TO JOIN ME FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT 
          YOU MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? 
          >> THANK YOU, YES, I HAD A QUESTION, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP OF THE PROPERTY? THE MAP OF THE PROPERTY? THE ONE IN THE 
          BLUE OR THE PURPLE. >> OKAY. THIS ONE? 
          >> YES. SO, I WANT TO CONFIRM ABOVE THAT BLANK AREA WHAT IS 
          THAT ? IS THAT A POND? >> SO , THERE IS AN EXISTING POND THAT IS THAT DARKER -COLORED AREA, THAT IS AN EXISTING POND PERMITTED AS THE MASTER STORMWATER SYSTEM. THE AREA THAT YOU SEE SHADED IN BLUE IS A FUTURE POND THAT THE D.O.T. 
          HAS PROCURED PROPERTY RIGHTS TO THAT THEY WOULD EXCAVATE IF IT WAS INDEPENDENT OF THIS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? 
          >> YES . I HAVE TO BE HONEST . REGARDING THE NOISE FROM I-95, IT IS VERY CONCERNING , WE KNOW THAT IT WILL BE WIDENED. 
          EVENTUALLY I-95 WILL BE WIDENED AND NOISE TRAVELS ACROSS THE WATER. THINK OF ALL THAT WATER RIGHT THERE. THAT IS CONCERNING . I AM ALREADY HEARING HOW NOISY IT IS FROM I-95. THAT IS A CONCERN THAT IT TRAVELS ACROSS THE WATER. I WANTED TO CONFIRM 
          THAT. >> MAY I RESPOND TO THAT? PART OF THAT -- WHAT MAKES IT SO UNIQUE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPER RIGHTS, THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS TO GO AND ESSENTIALLY CLEAR AS THEY NEED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY WITH THE WIDENING OF 95, IT IS POSSIBLE SHOULD THIS TURN RESIDENTIAL OR CONTINUE TO BE A CONCERN OF THE BOARD IN GENERAL, FOR DIFFERENT AREAS, THE COUNTY COULD REQUEST D.O.T. 
          TO PROVIDEA SAMPLE FOR THAT LOCATION, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT 
          COULD BE ACTUALLY EXPLORED. >> I AM ALREADY HEARING ABOUT IT, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL CAPACITY INFORMATION. I DID HAVE A QUESTION THERE SPECIFICALLY . 
          YES. THAT PAGE, REGARDING TO TOCOI CREEK, PORTABLES , WHERE 
          IS THAT COMING FROM? >> I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT AS WELL, WE , THE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD PUBLISHES WHAT IS CALLED A FIVE-YEAR WORKPLAN ANNUALLY TO THE STATE. AS PART OF THAT WORKPLAN , THEY ARE LOOKING AT FUTURE SCHOOLS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE , THE PORTABLES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY AT EXISTING SCHOOLS AND WINDOWS CAN KIND OF PHASEOUT BASED ON THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS COMING ALONG. I CAN SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS THE COUNTY FIVE-YEAR WORKPLAN, SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO, THIS CONTAINS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SAW HERE BUT I THINK THE KEY ITEM TO NOTE IS THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS, THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION LEGISLATURE'S GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, GROWTH MANAGEMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND OTHERS USE THE WORK PROGRAM INFORMATION FOR VARIOUS NEEDS INCLUDING FUNDING AND PLANNING AS THE AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE FOR SCHOOL FACILITY -RELATED INFORMATION. TO US, THAT IS THE SOURCE WHERE WE PULLED THIS DATA FROM TO SAY WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO GET THOSE NUMBERS. 
          >> GRADE. IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO WHERE THE SCHOOL CAPACITY INFORMATION WAS PHASED ? YES, RIGHT THERE. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY INTO THE FALL , INTO OCTOBER. I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THE NUMBERS. I REACHED OUT, THIS IS FROM LAST YEAR. REGARDING THIS YEAR . TOCOI CREEK, I HEAR  SO OFTEN 
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FROM PARENTS ABOUT HOW CROWDED IT IS, AS FAR AS UPDATING INFORMATION , THE CURRENT STUDENTS RIGHT NOW, 2600 STUDENTS . TOCOI IS ALREADY OVER 100% CAPACITY. IT IS ALREADY OVER 100%. THEY ARE AT 31 PORTABLES CURRENTLY, 31. AND ALSO, THIS IS NOT EVEN INCLUDING APARTMENTS BEING BILLED NEAR MILLCREEK FIELD . THERE IS A HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEX WHICH WILL ADD EVEN MORE AND MORE STUDENTS TO THIS. JUST THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW , THEY ARE NOT CURRENT AS OF TODAY. I DID DO MY RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO IT. IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT, WHERE ARE 
          WE AT RIGHT NOW? >> TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT AS TO WHERE WE GOT THAT FROM, FOR TRANSPARENCY, THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU SEE, THAT WORK PLAN THAT WAS PUBLISHED, IT WAS PUBLISHED BASED ON THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S ATTENDANCE BUT I BELIEVE THE INFORMATION CAME OUT THE DAY BEFORE WE DID THE PZA. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO AUTHORITY INFORMATION , THAT IS WHAT WE USE THAT INFORMATION. 
          >> I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT , I ALSO CONFIRMED WITH THE DISTRICT , THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR A NEW HIGH SCHOOL FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          THERE IS NO FUNDING. IT IS NOT ON THE RADAR. IT IS REALLY NOT ON THE HORIZON RIGHT NOW . THEY ARE BUILDING TWO NEW K-8 NEXT YEAR AND THE COST HAS DOUBLED , RIGHT NOW ALMOST TO $80 MILLION FOR KA . A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WAS CLOSER TO $40 MILLION, WE CAN IMAGINE HOW MUCH A HIGH SCHOOL IS, MUCH LARGER AND ALL THAT, JUST TO KIND OF PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE. LIKE I SAID I JUST WANTED, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I HEAR SO OFTEN, THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED, THE HALLWAYS ARE CROWDED. WHEN PEOPLE COME AND THEY ASK, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING ON , BECAUSE OF PROJECTS THAT GET APPROVED , WE HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT OUR KIDS AND PUT 
          THEM FIRST . >> THANK YOU , WE APPRECIATE 
          THAT. >> I NEED TO ADD ONE MORE ITEM. 
          I KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED , 68 MORE STUDENTS, THOSE ARE BROKEN OUT, OF THOSE 68 STUDENTS, 21 ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE REST ELEMENTARY. ONLY ROUGHLY A THIRD ARE FOR HIGH SCHOOL, IT IS A FAIRLY SMALL NUMBER. 
          >> THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION WITH UNIVERSITIES THAT WILL BE THERE. IT REMOVES THE LOCAL ACT. 
          >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH PUBLIC COMMENT? 
          >> WHEN SOMEONE DOES THAT , IT GETS TO ME WHEN I SEE THAT YOU ARE DOING A PROJECT, YOU HAVE TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU GET EXTRA BUFFERS , AND YOU COULD THREATEN US WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT WHICH GETS TO ME. COMMERCIAL COULD BE ANYTHING . 
          WE DO NOT HAVE CONCURRENCY, WE VOTED NOT TO HAVE CONCURRENCY FOR COMMERCIAL , WE COULD'VE HAD MONEY FOR THE ROADS. BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE THAT . YOU DID A NICE JOB, AND -- INDISCERNIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] 
          >> IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A THREAT. IT IS MEANT TO BE A COMPARISON. THE PROJECT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AS SOMETHING AND THAT IS ONE OPTION. AND CONCURRENCY WAS ALREADY VESTED 
          FOR THIS PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR, TOGETHER. GOOD MORNING, FOR ANOTHER 20 
          SECONDS. WAIT. >> CHARLIE HUNT , MILLCREEK ESTATES . THIS INFORMATION SHOWS THAT WELL BEFORE THE PZA, I WAS 
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THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY  QUESTIONED 87%, WHEN IT IS AT 2200 RIGHT THERE. HERE, I WENT ON THE ACTUAL WEBSITE, FLORIDA COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT , AND THE 8 OF SEPTEMBER, ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          >> SORRY , SORRY, WE CANNOT SEE WHAT HE IS SHOWING. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. 
          >> THIS SHOWS ALL THE DETAIL FOR HE SCHOOLS, SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2025, TOCOI CREEK HIGH SCHOOL, 2166, RIGHT THERE. FREEZE. AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION AND THEY SAID IT IS FROM OLD STATEMENTS FROM THE STATE, NOT THE COUNTY . THE CONTRIBUTIONS, DO THEY AFFECT DECISIONS ? WE WILL GIVE YOU $5 MILLION TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, IF WE GET THIS APPROVED. CONTRIBUTIONS EFFECT DECISIONS, THAT IS A STANDARD POLITICAL TYPE ISSUE THAT IS A MEANS OF GETTING THINGS APPROVED. SO, BUT YES , THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING. I CAN SEE THAT NOW, THE PRESIDENT WAS SET , WITH THE THREAT , WE CAN ALWAYS LIVE LOCAL AND YOU DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. GO AHEAD. WE WILL SEE IF THEY WANT TO PUT OVER 600 UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY, OKAY ? HOW EXPENSIVE WILL THAT BE TO BUILD ON, HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO SELL UNITS AND HAVE THEM RENT IT OUT, OKAY ? ON THAT LITTLE ROAD , YES , THERE IS HIGH POPULATION AND IT HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS. JUST OVER 300 UNITS GOING IN , OKAY. 
          THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE NO EFFECT ON TRAFFIC. RIGHT . IT IS , IT IS A SNOWBALL EFFECT , THROWING IT DOWN THROUGH THIS AREA. AND THAT AREA , IT IS CONTINUING TO GROW. IS THAT REALLY GOING TO FACILITATE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT BECAUSE OF THE HUDSON HIGHWAY. EXCUSE ME, 209 ? NO, IT WILL BRING IN 
          MORE TRAFFIC , AND MORE TRAFFIC. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE . WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          >> BACK AND FORTH, MR. MURPHY ? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR ? YOUR LIGHT 
          IS ON. >> AT THIS POINT , WE ARE HERE 
          FOR QUESTIONS. >> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY DRI 2025-01 NEQ TOWNHOMES . 
          >> SECOND . >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? 
          >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. POINT OF DISCUSSION . IT IS REALLY RELATED TO THE SAME KIND OF DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING, THERE WAS A LOT OF HOPING THAT SOMETHING DOES NOT GET DEVELOPED, IF WE JUST DENY SOMETHING BEING REQUESTED. WE HAVE TO LIVE HERE. FORGET THAT WE ARE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE WILL NOT BE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OUT OF OFFICE , WHENEVER THAT IS. WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE DECISIONS WE ARE MAKING, WE WILL DRIVE THESE ROADS, OUR CHILDREN WILL DRIVE THESE ROADS. IT IS NOT FAR-FETCHED TO THINK THAT A DEVELOPER , WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE BUILT HERE, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT CAN BE BUILT HERE WILL JUST GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC . IF THE CONCERN IS ABOUT LESS IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE THE LAST -- LESSER IMPACTFUL, WE MAY NOT WANT TO SEE ONE MORE CAR ON THE ROAD ONE MORE KID AT THESE 
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OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS, OUR SCHOOL WAS OVERCROWDED, WHEN I WAS AT LINCOLN IN TALLAHASSEE, MY SCHOOL WAS OVERCROWDED, SCHOOLS IN FLORIDA HAVE BEEN OVERCROWDED FOR SOME TIME. IT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM. THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE BUILT HERE BY RIGHT. I ENCOURAGE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL HOT POTATO, THESE ARE DECISIONS THAT WILL AFFECT YOU AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE 
          YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE . LET US VOTE. THAT FAILS, 2- 3. DO I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION ? 
          >> I AM WAITING FOR THE -- >> FORGIVE ME, MADAM CHAIR . 
          >> BEFORE COMMISSIONER ZVAR -- WHITEHURST MAKES A MOTION, COULD YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THE POND TO HELP WITH THE SOUND? 
          >> THE LARGER POND? SPEAKERS ] CERTAINLY, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. I WOULD ASK THE MASTER DEVELOPER CONTROL SOME ELEMENTS. UNLESS , THERE INDISCERNIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] 
          >> THANK YOU. >> MADAM CHAIR , THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. I WILL MOVE ON ITEM 3 THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 , APPROVED AND DENY , DRIMOD FOR NEQ TOWNHOMES, FINDINGS OF FACT, AS PROVIDED IN  THE REPEAT REPORT. 
          AND WITH THE AMENDMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, GO AHEAD AND VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 3-2. 
          >> ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PULLING IT UP NOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2025- -- 391. 
          >> APPROVING MAJMOD FOR NEQ TOWNHOMES , BASED ON FINDINGS OF 
          FACT . >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND EIGHT SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES, 3- 2. ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE 
          >>> OKAY, WE ARE BACK. WE HAVE SOMETHING WE HAVE THE CORRECT. 
          >> I NEED TO CLEAR UP THE RECORD. ON THE LAST ITEM, FOUR, MAJMOD , 2025- 02 NEQ TOWNHOMES, IT IS AN ORDINANCE, IT IS 
          [5. Public Hearing * REZ 2025-08 155 West Genung Street. Request to rezone approximately 10.86 acres from Planned Unit Development (PUD) and Residential Single Family (RS-2) to Open Rural (OR), located at 155 West Genung Street. The Planning and Zoning Agency (PZA) heard this request at their regularly scheduled public hearing on September 4, 2025. The Agency recommended approval with a vote of 6-0. Support was made by members Perkins, Hilsenbeck, Green, Spiegel, Labanowski, and Olson. Member Matovina was absent. Discussion at the hearing was limited. Public comments expressed support for the project, including appreciation to the applicant for their decision not to develop 15 homes on the site. An Agency member highlighted the scenic qualities of the property and noted that the decision to recommend was straightforward.]
          ORDINANCE 2025-06. >> WE DON'T NEED TO REDO IT ALL RIGHT? QUASIJUDICIAL FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ARE THEY HERE? 
          >> I HAVE NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? 
          >> NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. >> THE SAME, NOTHING. 
          >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> NO EMAILS BUT I HAD A SITE VISIT WITH MR. LLOYD AND MR. DAVIS. 
          >> AND I HAVE NO EMAILS. >> YEAH. 
          >> HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON! >> HELLO. 
          >> MY NAME IS LLOYD DAVIS, MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 155 STREET, SHE HAS LIVED SINCE SHE WAS 5 YEARS OLD, IN 2002, SHE PUT HER HOUSE THERE AND HAS CHERISHED IT. NANCY AND I CAME TOGETHER AND MADE THIS HOUSE OUR HOME, IT IS A REFUGE , A SANCTUARY, AND A PLACE THAT WE FOUND PEACE. WE WERE DEEPLY CONCERNED. WE COULD 
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NOT BEAR LOSING THE NATURAL CHARACTER OF THE LAND THAT MAKES THIS PLACE SO SPECIAL. THAT IS WHY I PUT EVERYTHING I HAD INTO PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. NOT FOR FINANCIAL GAIN, BUT TO PRESERVE IT. PRIVACY, PEACE, AND STEWARDSHIP OF THE LAND. WE ARE KEEPING IT LARGELY AS IS WITH OPEN SPACE AND WILDLIFE HABITAT INTACT. WE ARE NOT SEEKING TO CAPITALIZE ON THE LAND NOR DO WE HAVE ANY INTEREST IN MINING, SOLID WASTE FACILITIES OR OTHER DISRUPTIVE USES, ALL OF WHICH ARE NOT EVEN PERMITTED . WE ARE REQUESTING, BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL. OUR GOAL IS TO SIMPLY ENSURE THAT THE LAND REMAINS IN HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTINUES TO PROVIDE THE QUIET AND NATURAL BEAUTY THAT WE IN OUR COMMUNITY VALUE SO MUCH. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT SO THAT IT CAN REMAIN A SANCTUARY RATHER THAN A SUBDIVISION. LET US LOOK AT THE SLIDES. 
          >> ABOUT 11 ACRES ? >> THIS IS THE TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF PROPERTY , THE SEVEN ACRES IS THE RESIDENTIAL PUD. 
          THIS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THAT THIS IS SIMPLY THE RESIDENTIAL PUD AND THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE , IF IT REMAINS, WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF EVER REBUILDING THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT OVER TO OR, IT IS QUITE INTENSIVE AS YOU CAN SEE. WE HAVE JOINED THE FOUR ACRES AND THE SEVEN TWO MAKE IT ONE PARCEL. THERE IS, ON THE -- THERE IS AN EASEMENT OFF OF U.S. 
          1, DOUG BURNETT SAID THAT EASEMENT PRETTY MUCH LOCKS IT UP WITH THAT IN THE COMMERCIAL PUD AS WELL. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS TO HAVE THE MAIN SQUARE OF THE PROPERTY REZONED TO OR. BUT THAT EASEMENT WILL REMAIN A PUD FOR NOW. SO, BY SUPPORTING THIS REZONING, YOU ARE NOT ONLY HELPING US , YOU ARE PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS ' CHARACTER AND ENSURING THAT THIS PROPERTY REMAINS A HEAVEN FOR WILDLIFE AND A GREEN SPACE FOR YEARS TO COME. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN REZONING THIS OPEN 
          RURAL. >> FANTASTIC. I AM JEALOUS. ANY 
          OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> WE WILL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE 
          PUBLIC COMMENT . >> WE HAVE ONE, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          >> ALL RIGHT , HELLO AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AMBER EPPINGER, I OWN A HOME AT 214 RAINTREE TRAIL, RIGHT THERE. MY FAMILY HAS RESIDED FOR 15 YEARS, MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO FAVER DYKES DUE TO THE EXTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT  AROUND U.S. 1, ONE OF THE MAIN FACTORS OF US RELOCATING WAS THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOPPING LAZARD TO BE BILLED RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR OLD NEIGHBORHOOD OF MULTI-TRAILS. IT IS A PRESERVATION NEIGHBORHOOD WITH DEER, WOODPECKERS, AND A PLETHORA OF OTHER ANIMALS. IT HAS BEEN HEARTBREAKING WATCHING THEM LOSE THEIR HOMES DUE TO THE OVERDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA. I WANT TO THANK LLOYD AND NANCY DAVIS FOR REZONING THIS AREA AND STOPPING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THE REZONING TO OPEN RURAL, LOCATED AT 155 , WEST GENUNG STREET. THAN YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL 
          CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BEFORE YOU GUYS VOTE, THEY HAVE THE EASEMENT AND PROPERTY DESCRIPTION, IF THEY CAN ENTER THOSE AS BEING REMOVED OUT OF THE REZONING , WE CAN HAVE THAT 
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AS PART OF THE RECORD. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE EASEMENT THAT WAS PULLED OUT, THE PUD HAS A DESIGNATED ACCESS, THERE ARE NO DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. HE HAS NOT TOLD YOU ANYTHING INCORRECTLY, BY LEAVING THAT LITTLE PORTION IN PUD, ALLOWING ACCESS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. 
          >> ARE YOU PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD? 
          >> YES . I AM SUBMITTING THAT. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER 
          QUESTIONS? >> I AM READY FOR A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2025. ARTIE Z 25 .08, PROVIDED. 
          >> I WILL SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. 
          >> CONFIRMED FOR THE RECORD THAT IT IS AS AMENDED. 
          >> AS AMENDED. >> CAN YOU CHANGE MY MOTION TO AS AMENDED? THANK YOU. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, 5-0. I THINK THERE IS A SECOND ONE? 
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          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHRISTINA EVANS AND I AM HERE AGAIN FOR THE PROPERTY IN PINE ISLAND ROAD. 
          >> REALLY QUICK, QUASIJUDICIAL. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ? 
          >> FOR NUMBER SEVEN, I HAVE A RECORD OF TWO-PLUS EMAILS. 
          >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> ONE-PLUS EMAILS, NO MEETINGS. 
          >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> NO MEETINGS. 
          >> TWO-PLUS EMAILS, NO MEETINGS. THOUGH. 
          >> THE PROPERTY IS 2.5 MILES EAST ON THE UNPAVED PORTION OF PINE ISLAND ROAD. ALMOST SIX ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL . SO, THE APPLICATION BRINGING HERE TODAY IS TO ALLOW THREE MORE UNITS ON THE PROPERTY FOR EACH OF THEIR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, AND AGING PARENTS, IT REQUIRES 40 ACRES PER UNIT, TO RESIDENTIAL CAPITAL EIGHT. BASED ON RURAL ZONING, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE UNIT PER ACRE, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE FIVE UNITS . BUT OUR AMENDMENT TODAY INCLUDES A RESTRICTION TO FOUR LOTS. THEY ARE ONLY ASKING FOR EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR FAMILY. THERE IS PRECEDENCE , THE TRANSITION AND AT THE END OF LINE ISLAND. SEVEN UNITS ON 11 ACRES, AND ONE RECENTLY FARTHER EAST FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT, NONE MEET THE STANDARD OF 40 ACRES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BUT MOST ARE BUILT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR LAND USE . SO, THE FOUR LOTS ARE SHOWN HERE , THERE IS AN EASEMENT ON PINE ISLAND ROAD ONLY LIMITED TO FOUR UNITS, THE DENSITY OF LAST THAN ONE UNIT PER ACRE, 0.7. THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA. THERE ARE OTHER LARGE LOTS. NO MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES, PAVING, ALL VERY LOW-IMPACT DEVELOPMENTS OVER HERE. AGAIN, IT IS CONTIGUOUS , AND TO THE SOUTH, RESIDENTIAL B, NOT CONSTITUTING URBAN SPRAWL, NOT EXPANDING PUBLIC FACILITIES AND THERE IS A VERY SMALL IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND THE ENVIRONMENT NO UTILITIES. BECAUSE IT WILL BE SEPTIC . AND THE PDA UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7-0. SO, ALONG WITH THE LAND-USE AMENDMENT, THERE ARE REQUESTS 
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FOR FOUR VARIANCES, SIMILAR TO THOSE REQUESTED OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR A LOOP LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENT . I HAVE ONE REQUEST , TO NOT PAVE PINE ISLAND ROAD FROM THE NEAREST PAVED SECTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT ENTRANCE, THAT IS ALMOST 4000 LINEAR FEET OF PAVING WHICH WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA. ALSO, THERE ARE ABOUT 1500 VENEER FEET THAT DO NOT HAVE THE MINIMUM WIDTH TO MEET THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY STANDARDS. THE SECOND VARIOUS REQUIREMENT -- VARIANCE REQUIRE, NOT REQUIRE A POND. THIS IS NOT AN AREA SUBJECT TO FLOODING OR HOLDING WATER. THERE WOULD BE VERY LOW LOT COVERAGE EACH WOULD PROVIDE ITS OWN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT . 
          AND POINT OF DISCHARGE, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE RUNNING OFF ON THE INSIDE OF EACH PROPERTY. WITH ALL OF THAT DRAINAGE CHECKED BY STAFF , FOR EACH LOT, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT, THE STORM WATER POND IS NOT NECESSARY TO MANAGE DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY . THE LAST TWO REQUESTS, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT LOT ONE AND TWO HAVE DRIVEWAYS DIRECTLY ON PINE ISLAND ROAD. 
          THEY ARE REQUESTING TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THE EASEMENT WITH ONE SINGLE POINT OF ENTRANCE ON PINE ISLAND ROAD NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED. THE LAST IS TO NOT REQUIRE PLATTING OF THE FOUR LOTS. WITH THE EASEMENT, IT TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, SUBDIVISIONS HAVE UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE DETAILED ON THE PLAT. IT IS UNNECESSARY FOR SMALL DEVELOPMENTS AND IT WAS ALSO WAIVED ON THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THESE VARIANCE REQUESTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, MAINTAINING THE RURAL CHARACTER, SIMILAR VARIANCES HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE AREA, AND THE ADDITIONAL LOTS WILL CREATE VERY LOW IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS. I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          >> I HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HOMES BEHIND YOU ONE OF THE CLOSEST ON THE LEFT LOWER CORNER, SHE AND THE OTHER NEIGHBOR, THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STORM WATER CLEARANCE. HOW MUCH RESEARCH HAVE YOU DONE ON THAT ? YOU CAN SEE NORTH, THERE ARE OF FLOODING AREAS, AND THERE ARE SOME STORMWATER AREAS CLOSE TO THE SAME SIDE, JUST THE 
          TOP OF THAT. >> THOSE LOTS ARE VERY SMALL. 
          THEY HAVE A LOT OF PAVING FOR THE ROADWAY. THEY WILL NOT HAVE THAT IN THE SMALLER DEVELOPMENT. THAT ONE HAS, I DON'T KNOW, 15, 16 LOTS, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED SOMEWHERE TO CAPTURE THE STORM WATER RUNOFF . WITH THESE LOTS , EACH ONE WILL HAVING, IF NOT HANDLING STORMWATER, THEY WILL HAVE SWALES THAT HAVE A LEGAL POINT OF DISCHARGE. IT WILL NOT BE RUNNING OFF ONTO OTHER 
          PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. >> MIKE ROBERSON, ANYONE WHO CAN JUST JUSTIFY THAT FOR ME? I WANT TO MAKE SURE, THOSE ARE HUGE QUESTIONS BY THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE CALLED ME A COUPLE OF TIMES AND THEY HAVE HAD FLOODING IN THEIR YARDS. 
          >> ERIC ARCH WITH POST MANAGEMENT. YEAH . THESE ARE LOOKED AT DURING THE CLEARANCE SHEET REVIEW. THEY ARE NOT PART OF A SUBDIVISION , WHERE YOU HAVE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM LIKE THAT, THE SWALES WILL CONVEY IT AWAY. IT IS KIND OF A HIGH-AREA ROUTE THROUGH THERE BUT IT FALLS MORE OR LESS TO THE EAST. NO TYPE OF DRAINAGE IMPACT WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, LOOKING AT THE GRADES AROUND IT, THEY ARE ALL PRETTY COMFORTABLE, THIS SLOT HERE, THE CLEARANCE SHEET , IT SHOWS THE 16-FOOT ELEVATION . AND THE SURROUNDING HOUSES TO THE SOUTH, THEY ARE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THAT, THE GRADING AND EVERYTHING FALLS TO THE EAST . IT IS NOT ANTICIPATED. THAT 
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GETS LIKE THAT IF THERE ARE ANY CLEARANCE SHEET REVIEWS BUT ALSO DURING THE INSPECTION PERIODS WHEN WE GO OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING LOOKS CORRECT AND MEETS CODE, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, WE ADDRESS IT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED, TYPICALLY CASES LIKE THIS, ESSENTIAL SWALES , DISCHARGE WOULD TEND TO BE TO THE EAST. 
          >> YOU WILL NOT GO TO THE HOUSES BEHIND IT? 
          >> NO MA'AM. THERE IS A TREE PRESERVATION AREA BEHIND THOSE HOUSES ON THEIR NORTH SIDE AND I BELIEVE THIS ONE. THEY HAVE EIGHT 10 -FOOT AREA TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT I BELIEVE 
          REMAINS NATURAL. >> THAT IS MY NEXT QUESTION. SHE WAS HERE BEFORE AND I WANTED TO SEE IF THEY REPLANTED ALL OF THOSE TREES YET? WAS THAT JULY 17TH? 
          >> JUNE. >> JUNE 17TH? 
          >> YEAH, I BELIEVE THE REQUIREMENT WAS WITHIN SIX 
          MONTHS. >> GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE HERE, THE TREES, WE ARE READY TO GET WITH THE TREE LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          LITERALLY TODAY, WE ARE GETTING THE WELL POWERED UP TO IRRIGATE AND DO EVERYTHING PROPERLY AND THEN ALSO TO GO BACK TO THE GRADING OF THE LOTS. IT IS AT 14.6 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL . AND THE HOUSES BEHIND US ARE HIGHER . AND THOSE , TO THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT, THIS ENTIRE LOT, EVERYTHING FALLS TO THE EAST ON THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS ALL LEFT NATURAL. 
          >> I GUESS I AM ASKING , WE MADE CONCESSIONS FOR YOU REGARDING THE TREES THAT WERE CHOP DOWN AND YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO THINGS WITH THE PROPERTY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WILL FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE BUFFERS BECAUSE AT THE JULY 17TH OR THE JUNE 17TH MEETING, YOU SAID YOU WOULD NOT BE COMING BACK WITH A SITE PLAN OR PLOT PLAN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH ANY KIND OF TREES. WHAT IS THE BUFFER? 
          >> I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH PALENCIA BUFFER. 
          >> THERE IS A NORTH VALENCIA BUFFER. IF YOU CUT THAT TREE LINE TO THE SOUTH, THAT IS ABOUT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS WHY MAKING GENERAL ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE DIRECTORS OF PALENCIA GAVE THEM , I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID, BUT THAT PROBABLY IS WHAT HAPPENED AND OBVIOUSLY, THE BUFFER ON OUR SIDE IS NOT CONSIDERED A BUFFER, OUR NEW HOUSE IS BEYOND THAT BUFFER SO, 
          WE ARE NOT TOUCHING IT. >> NOT TO BE FUNNY, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE US AND WE DO NOT WANT TO EVER SEE THEM. SO, AS FAR AS COMING BACK , WE HAVE HAD ALL OF THESE LINED UP IN THIS YEAR AND A HALF -LONG PROCESS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT FOLLOWING THROUGH. THE TIME AND EFFORT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH TO GET THIS TO THIS POINT, THIS LAST HURDLE IS, YES, WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE TREE THING. FOR ONE, I AM LEGALLY OBLIGATED. BUT I AM GOING TO LIVE THERE AND I WANTED TO LOOK NICE AND ALL OF THAT AND WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOCUMENTED IN EVERYTHING. AS I MENTIONED, WE DID NOTWANT TO START PLANNING IN THE DEAD OF SUMMER. AS OF TODAY, JUST A COINCIDENCE, EVEN THE WELL IS OPERATIONAL. I CAN START IRRIGATING THE PROPERTY WHEN WE START BRINGING IN THE TREES AND EVERYTHING TO, YOU KNOW, INSTALL THEM PROPERLY. AND THE OTHER THING, TODAY'S DECISION ON HOW ALL OF THAT OPERATES, WE ARE FULFILLING ALL OF THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. 
          >> NOT COUNTING THE 10-FOOT BUFFER, THAT IS NOT YOURS, WHAT IS YOUR BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE? 
          >> I AM GOING TO CLEAR DIRECTLY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE ME. IT VARIES. THE PROPERTY LINE KIND OF DIES DOWN, SOMETIMES IT GOES FROM 15 TO 20. 
          >> BECAUSE DURING THE MEETING YOU MADE CERTAIN STATEMENTS AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STATEMENTS ARE STILL ON THE 
          RECORD. >> ORIGINALLY, HE PROPOSED A BUFFER, IT WAS NOT LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE BUT EASIER TO ATTRACT . THE RESOLUTION WAS FOR THESE TO NOT BE BIGGER THAN THE ONE ACRE . HE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE TREE TO CLEAR OTHERS. IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE MITIGATION PAYMENT AND TO 
          REPLANTING. >> YOU SHOULD HAVE WATCHED WHAT 
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YOU GUYS SAID. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO . WE GAVE YOU A HUGE DISCOUNT. 
          >> WE ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WAS APPROVED. WE ARE COMING WITH ALL THREE OF THESE AT ONCE. IT MAY BE TOO MUCH. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT . PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          >> ONE QUESTION, BEFORE YOU GO. BEFORE YOU GO, -- 
          >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY WANTS TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          >> BEFORE YOU GO? DIDN'T WE ASK YOU TO VOLUNTARILY DO THE 
          INCREASED TREE -- >> IT IS IN WRITING, IN THE 
          REPORT. >> I THINK YOU PAID A PRETTY 
          GOOD PRICE. >> THAT IS A COINCIDENCE. YOU GUYS WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT THREE INCHES. YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT, WOULD I BE AMICABLE TO USE THAT AND I, OF COURSE, SAID YES. NOT JUST BECAUSE IT GETS ME A YES VOTE . 
          BUT I THINK THE THREE-INCH TREES ARE -- 
          >> FAIR, WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN COMBINED. ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? 
          >> HI, I AM NEW HERE. I GUESS I GIVE MY NAME AND ADDRESS AND ALL THAT? CIRCLE AND MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY BEHIND HIS PROPERTY. I AM TO THE LEFT, I HAVE ABOUT 63 FEET OF MY BACK PROPERTY LINE. 
          MY NEIGHBOR OVER HERE, GOING DOWN THIS WAY. MY MAIN CONCERN, IS NOT JUST, NUMBER ONE, I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IS DECEIVING. I DO NOT KNOW ALL THE LAW AND THE LEGAL TERMS. BUT THEY HAVE A 100-FOOT BUFFER. MY DEFINITION OF A BUFFER , THEY ARE TAKING -- THERE WAS A LITTLE DIAGRAM THAT I SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS , ABOUT HALF THAT IS THEIR PROPERTY AND ABOUT HALF IS MY PROPERTY. IT IS MY PROPERTY THAT I DO NOT WANT TO GET DAMAGED, BE FLOODED, AND HAVE SOME PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD. SOMETHING GOES WRONG, WHAT RECOURSE DO I HAVE? I DON'T WANT TO SUE YOU GUYS, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU ARE DOING THE BEST WITH ALL THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE GOT. I SHOULD NOT BE IN THAT POSITION. THE LAW IS THERE, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND THIS IS OPINION I DON'T WANT ANYBODY CALLING ME A LIAR OR SOMETHING. MY OPINION IS , THE WHOLE REASON IS FINANCIAL. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO COST THEM A LOT MORE TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY IF HE HAS TO FOLLOW THESE REGULATIONS . I AM MORE INTERESTED IN THAT AND UNFORTUNATELY , I DID NOT HEAR ALL THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW , HOW YOU GET THIS PICTURE, WHEN THEY SAY, DO NOT DO THIS ANYMORE , IN AUGUST OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE AERIAL , YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN, OKAY? HOWEVER , THAT SHOWS A LOT TO ME. I AM LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE AND THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THE LOT LOOKS. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT MOORE HAD BEEN DONE BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS. YOU KNOW? I KNOW , SOMEBODY GOT A COUPLE OF LETTERS WAY BACK ON THE FIRST MEETING. I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT ALL THAT GOD APPROVED. BUT WHO AM I? I WAS FREEZING TO DEATH AND I LAUGHED. NOW I AM OUT OF TIME. 
          PLEASE AT LEAST POSTPONE IT IN THE MEANTIME, TO GATHER SUPPORT . BECAUSE IT WILL BE THERE. I DID NOT FIND THE AGENDA ONLINE 
          UNTIL FRIDAY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          >> I LIVE AT 185 READ WELL CIRCLE AND MY PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THAT. THE WAY I SEE IT, THERE IS NO BUFFER 
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ON HIS PROPERTY , THERE IS NO TREE-LINED BUFFER, MY HOUSE IS DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE UNDERNEATH THE RED RECTANGLE AND THAT TREE THAT GOES UP TO THE REDLINE, THAT IS MY PROPERTY, I HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT BUFFER, WHAT I BOUGHT THAT, I WAS TOLD THAT THE PRESERVE, NOBODY IS GOING TO BUILD OUT, NOBODY CAN KNOW THAT. IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN FIVE ACRES GETS CLEAR-CUT, THAT IS DEVASTATING TO MY FAMILY AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE . AND TO FIND OUT , YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A THEORY HERE , WE ARE OUT OF TOWN , WE CANNOT BE HERE, I SENT AN EMAIL BECAUSE THOSE ARE MY OPTIONS AND I HEAR NOTHING BACK FROM ANYBODY HERE ABOUT WHAT WAS DECIDED , REQUIRED TO PAY A FINE, REPLACE TREES, I HAVE NO IDEA AND IT SEEMS LIKE OKAY, IF HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING TREES IN, WHO IS GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT GETS DONE AND WHEN WILL THINGS GET DONE? IF I HAVE CLEAR-CUT SOMETHING ACROSS THE LOG, SHOULDN'T THE FIRST THING TO BE DONE BE TO REMAKE IT TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD WITH MY PROJECT ? HIS HOUSE BACK THERE IS COMPLETELY FRAMED, WALLS ON THE SIDE, THEY HAD A 100-FOOT CRANE, NONSTOP STARTING AT 7:00 EVERY MORNING, I CAN HEAR IT OVER THE SOUND SCREEN THAT HELPS ME SLEEP AT NIGHT, THEY HAVE LOUD MUSIC FROM WHATEVER WORK CREW COMES IN, IT IS DEFINITELY A NUISANCE FOR ME. 
          AND I SHOULD NOT EVEN BE UPSET ABOUT IT BUT NO ONE HAS SAID, I UNDERSTAND IT IS GOING TO REFLECT YOU, BUT ALL THE BUFFER IS ON OUR SIDE, IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO SPLIT ENDS, WHY WAIT UNTIL EVERYTHING IS DONE AND YOU ARE EITHER STILL HERE OR GONE AND NOBODY REMEMBERS WHAT IS REQUIRED? THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> 
          >> SO, THAT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD . THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WE HAVE A CONSTANT AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING, WE HAVE A POLICY DECISION AND IN NON-ZONING VARIANCE , WHICH IS QUASIJUDICIAL . THERE ARE DIFFERENT FINDINGS OF FACTS NECESSARY. IT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. 
          >> IT IS NOT LIKE WE ARE PACKED IN HERE. 
          >> YOU ARE THE FIRST ONE I HAVE EVER DONE THIS FOR. DO THE RIGHT THING. THREE MINUTES. WE WANT NO PROBLEMS HERE. 
          >> IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO TAKE THEM SEPARATELY? PERHAPS WE SHOULD DO THE COMP PLAN AND THEN GOING TO THE NON-ZONING 
          VARIANCE? >> MR. ARNOLD , IS THAT WHAT YOU 
          WANT ? >> I WILL TELL YOU MY POSITION. 
          >> I DO HAVE TO HAVE YOU WAIT. I AM SORRY BUT THANKS. ALL RIGHT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM SIX ? SEEING NONE , WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT AGENDA ITEM 6. 
          >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU, I HEARD YOUR CONCERNS IN THE DISTRICT AND I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS IN THE QUESTIONS YOU ARE ASKING. YES , MA'AM. I RECEIVED YOUR EMAIL AND I FORWARDED IT TO THE STAFF TO GET SOME CLARIFICATIONS. ONE OF THE BIGGER POINTS YOU ARE MAKING. THIS IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT . I AM NOT SURE I AM READY TO MAKE A VOTE WITHOUT MORE INFORMATION FOR THE STAFF. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ELAM FAMILY TO REACH OUT. IT IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE. BUT IT GIVES THE STAFF MORE TIME TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT 
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IS THE RULE OF THE BOARD, BUT IT IS GOOD FOOD FOR THOUGHT. 
          >> CAN I ASK WHAT WAS IN THE EMAIL? I DID NOT RECEIVE THAT 
          ONE. >> YES , LET ME PULL IT UP QUICKLY . I REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS ONE. THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PARCELS , SO THIS IS A BUFFER BETWEEN TWO PARTIES, PRESERVED LAND ON ONE PROPERTY, IT IS HER LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUFFER. AND MY INTENT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH IS JUST TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE COMING UP WHILE WE ARE 
          HEARING THIS ITEM. >> THERE IS A BUFFER ON VALENCIA, AND IT WILL HAVE THE STANDARD AROUND THE PERIMETER BUT THERE IS NO REQUIRED BUFFER . THAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION. HE PLANS TO KEEP THOSE TREES IN THE BACK. 
          IF ANY MORE TREES WERE REMOVED, HE WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT AND HE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT. BUT ALSO THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE FIRE CODE. WE WILL HAVE TO MEET THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS. 
          IT IS REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MAJOR SUBDIVISION AND THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS FORCES , WITH A SMALL, LARGE -LOT DEVELOPMENT. THE COUNTY WILL MAINTAIN THAT. ALL OF THE TREES ARE PLANTED AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE CORRECTLY BEFORE THEY CAN BUILD THEIR HOMES. 
          >> I HAD A QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? 
          >> THANK YOU. WHEN WAS THAT AERIAL PHOTO TAKEN? 
          >> THIS IS FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. IT WOULD BE WHATEVER 
          YEAR . >> 
          >> 2025? >> MA'AM ? I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THAT IS ACCURATE. AN ACCURATE PHOTO OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NOW. OKAY, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RED LINE? THERE ARE THAT MANY TREES NORTH OF THE RED 
          LINE? OH, OKAY. >> WE DO HAVE A TREE SURVEY WHERE I CAN SHOW ALL OF THE TREES ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY ? 
          >> THIS IS A SIMPLE THING TO ME. THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM . WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE NOT WANT TO LET THESE PEOPLE BUILD THEIR HOME , I AM LOOKING AT THE APPRAISER'S PICTURE . I AM , I , I THINK THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE IT. 
          >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH APPROVING IT DOWN THE LINE. BUT I FEEL LIKE THE VARIANCES THEY ARE ASKING FOR HAVE NOT BEEN LOOKED INTO IT AS MUCH AS THEY SHOULD BE AND YOU SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PLANT 25 LIVE OAKS, FIVE MAGNOLIAS. I UNDERSTAND 
          THEY WERE HAVING A BUFFER. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THE RULING WAS ONLY THREE MONTHS AGO. HE SAID THE REASON THEY HAVE NOT PLANTED IS BECAUSE THE1 ARE JUST GETTING THE WELLS DONE. 
          IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, WHY WOULD YOU PLANT TREES WHEN YOU CANNOT WATER THEM? THE GUY PLAYED OVER $100,000 IN FINES FOR HIS TREES GETTING CUT DOWN AND THEN HE IS GOING TO REPLANT. I SAY, LET'S 
          LET THE MAN LIVE. >> HOW MUCH IN FINES DID HE PAY? I DON'T THINK IT WAS 100. HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO -- 
          >> WHAT WAS THE FINE THAT WE AGREED ON? 
          >> 38. >> IT WAS NOT ZERO. NO, IT WAS 
          NOT! >> $90,000. 
          >> TO REPLANT . ANDY PAID $13,000 IN FINES. 
          >> WE HAD OUR PRE-ESTIMATE OF THE PLANTS THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED AND WE BROUGHT THE ESTIMATE AND PRESENTED THAT, TOTALING $100,000, GOING BACK TO THE 
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REPLANT, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR APPROACH TO THIS MR. MURPHY , WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. MEANING , ARE WE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BUILD MY KIDS ' HOMESTEAD? MAINLY, I AM NOT GOING TO PLANT $90,000 WORTH OF LIVE OAKS IN THE SUMMER AND NOT BE ABLE TO IRRIGATE THEM. THE OTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IS, WE HAVE A RECORDED DOCUMENT AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, MR. PULTE -- ELAM HAS GOT  TO DO THAT. IT WAS REPORTED IN ALL OF THE NOTES FOR THE MEETING. I AM BEFUDDLED. THIS IS OUR LAST STEP . WE ARE WAITING ON THE CONSTRUCTIONS OF HOW SHE CAN START HER HOUSE, SOME OF THESE HAVE ALL BEEN ANSWERED AND DOCUMENTED AND NEEDING MORE INFORMATION , I AM NOT SURE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ON THAT BECAUSE THE BUFFER WAS SETTLED AND THE PROPERTY LINE IS STRONG ON THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION, THAT CONCRETE MONUMENT, I MET A NICE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK . I LET HIM COME ONTO MY PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, WE SHOOK HANDS AS A NEIGHBOR AND I TOLD HIM WHAT I WAS DOING. 
          >> YEAH. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY NEED TO RETRY THE CASE. 
          THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO DELAY ANY OF THIS. I AM READY TO 
          MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT. >> THESE WERE ALL APPROVED ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET NORTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PINE ISLAND ROAD, NOT TOO LONG AGO. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS MEANING ANYTHING. I WOULD MAKE AN A MOTION TO DO THIS IF WE COULD AMEND IT IN SOME WAY. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ? >> I AGREE THAT WHAT YOU ARE 
          DOING IS THE AMERICAN DREAM. >> EVERY HURDLE TO GO THROUGH THE RIGHT STEPS. 
          >> OUR OFFICE WAS CONTACTED. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM AND THE RESIDENTS AND GO OVER EVERYTHING SO THEY UNDERSTAND IT 
          . >> VERY LIKELY, I NEED TO GET YOU IN THE PROPER POSTURE . NORMALLY THE COMP PLAN AND THE REZONINGS, THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT , I AM NOT GOING TO REDIRECT IT IT WAS A 7-0 VOTE . YOU ARE THE FIRST TO HEAR IT SO THERE IS NO UNDERLYING HEARING FROM THE PZA. THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE  PATTERNS . SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PARALLEL 
          TRACK. >> THAT IS AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION. ALL I AM SAYING IS, I AM HAPPY TO APPROVE THIS AS LONG AS THERE ARE SOME ASSURANCES BUILD IN. I LOVE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY AND IT IS THE AMERICAN DREAM. I AM SEEKING TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS. 
          >> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE, WITH THE BOARD BE AGREEABLE TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? 
          >> SURE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2025 APPROVING THE CPA ELAM FAMILY LEGACY BASED ON FINDINGS OF THE STAFF OF THE COURT. 
          >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT PASSES 5-0. OKAY, SO THE NEXT ONE . 
          >> PUBLIC COMMENT ? >> YES. WE WILL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THIS BEING A 
          NON-ZONING VARIANCE. YES, MA'AM. >> PAT FLOYD, 159 BALL DARROW CIRCLE. ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. AMONG OTHER THINGS, THAT DOES NOT EVEN GET MENTIONED, HE IS NOT SPENDING $100,000 . I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS AGREEING TO REPLANT AND EVERYTHING, PLEASE PUT IT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, HE GOT A $55,000 CREDIT ON HIS 
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CLOSING STATEMENT, HE IS NOT SPENDING $100,000 OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET FOR PUTTING IN NEW TREES. PLEASE KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. LIKE I SAID, WE DO NOT -- I'M A WIDOW NOW AND I CAN JUST SEE SOMETHING GOING WRONG WITH THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY AND I WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO OR WHO DO I GO TO, WHAT DO I DO? HE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY KNOWING THAT ALL OF THIS WAS GOING TO BE REQUIRED, KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING ON . AND I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY SEE HIS WHOLE CLOSING STATEMENT. ARE THERE OTHER CONTESTANTS -- CONCESSIONS THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT. HE KNOWS THAT HE CAME UP AND SPOKE AND IT WAS THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING THAT MY NEIGHBORS CAME IN, CHECKING IF HE WAS GETTING ANYTHING, AND HE CAME BACK AND SAID EXCUSE ME, I FORGOT THIS . HOW DO YOU FORGET A $55,000 CREDIT? TO ME, THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE TOTALLY ABOVE BOARD AND HONEST, WHAT IS MY CHOICE IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG . I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SUE AND GET IT IF ANY DAMAGES ARE DONE, MY PROPERTY , IT IS LEGALLY ON MY PROPERTY, IT IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT . I BOUGHT THAT , I BOUGHT IT KNOWING THAT IT WOULD GIVE ME PRIVACY. HE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COME INTO MY PROPERTY. HE IS NOT GIVING ME 100 FEET OF PRIVACY AND THAT , I MEAN, I GUESS I GET UPSET , TOO. 
          A LOT OF THE THINGS I HAVE DISCOVERED JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE TOTALLY , 100% EXPENDABLE, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED THIS AT LEAST POSTPONED UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. AND GIVE ME TIME . I DID NOT KNOW MY NEIGHBOR WAS COMING. AND , I MEAN, IT DOES AFFECT -- IT WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THE SAME RURAL DEVELOPMENT, OKAY 
          ? THANK YOU . >> CAN I MENTION , WHERE IS THE 
          100-FOOT BUFFER COMING FROM? >> THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING. 
          >> IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE PLANTS THAT IT IS 100 FEET? 
          >> IN THE DIAGRAM , I HAVE DONE AS MUCH AS I CAN. I AM OLDER, I DID NOT GROW UP IN THE COMPUTER AGE, IF I DID, I WOULD, 
          >> HE IS NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A 100-FOOT BUFFER. I THINK IT IS 
          ONLY LIKE 10 FEET . >> 
          >> I DON'T REMEMBER HIM SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT 100 FEET. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID ANYTHING BUT I HAVE A DIAGRAM LIKE THAT WITH A NARROW, FROM MY PROPERTY DOWN TO MY NEIGHBOR'S 
          PROPERTY. >> IT MIGHT BE 100 FEET FROM YOUR PROPERTY LINE TO HIS HOUSE BUT THERE IS NO LEGAL 
          REQUIREMENT. >> SOMEBODY PREPARED THIS 
          DOCUMENT . >> WELL, THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. 
          >> WE ARE GOING TO GO FROM HERE. LET US SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM -- 
          >> I WANT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO TELL ME, IF I HAVE A 
          PROBLEM. >> CALL ME. YOU CAN CALL ME. I 
          WILL COME OVER THERE. >> YOU CAN CALL ANY OF US WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HERE NOW, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT. 
          >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK IF MR. ROBERTSON COULD INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO MS. FLOYD AND MAKE SURE THAT SHE HAS YOUR BUSINESS CARD AND SOME OF YOUR INFORMATION. CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT OUR PROCESS ? YOU ARE UP HERE ANYWAY, YOU MADE THE EFFORT. I DON'T WANT 
          TO WASTE YOUR TIME. >> OF COURSE. 
          >> GENERALLY SPEAKING, CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE MECHANISMS THAT ARE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY DEVELOPMENTS ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT THEY AGREED TO IN THE MEETINGS? 
          >> SURE. FIRST OFF , I THINK I DID SEE THAT DIAGRAM, THE IMAGERY. THAT WAS JUST A LINE MEASUREMENT. IT WAS A LINE 
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MEASUREMENT MEASURING 100 FEET FROM THE FOREST AREAS FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. OPEN RURAL DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY BUFFER. BUT IT HAS IS A SETBACK AND SETBACKS ARE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. 
          LOOKING FORWARD , WHAT KIND OF PRECAUTIONS OR SAFEGUARDS ARE IN THERE? YOU HEARD THE ENGINEER , THEY WILL LOOK FOR ANY TYPE OF DRAINAGE ISSUES MAKING SURE THE WATER FLOWS TO ANY POINT OF THE OUTFALL. WE HAVE A MANAGER PART OF THE ADDITIONAL NON-ZONING AGREEMENT. IT DOES STATE WITHIN SIX MONTHS THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO PLANT THE TREES. OF COURSE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY CAN GET APPROVAL AND WHERE THE LAYOUT WOULD BE. WE FOLLOW THAT ORDER TO MAKE SURE THEY ADHERE TO THAT ORDER LIKEWISE ON THE PLAN SHEET, WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR ALL THE OTHER ISSUES OR ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WOULD ARISE IN THE CODE. 
          >> I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HOLD PARTIES ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT IS PUT ON 
          PAPER HERE. >> OKAY. ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT 
          ? >> SORRY ABOUT THAT, COME ON UP. 
          >> I LIVE AT 185 , I WANTED TO PUT IT UP BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK THE PICTURE IS ACCURATE. THEY CONTINUE TO MOW DOWN TREES BECAUSE I CAN HEAR THEM ALL DAY LONG. THIS WAS TAKEN JUST THE OTHER DAY. THAT LOT IS COMPLETELY CLEARED , THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU SEE THAT IS STILL THERE, THAT IS WHERE IT WAS FOR THE SIX YEARS I HAVE LIVED HERE, THE OSPREY WOULD BREED THEIR BABIES IN THAT NEST. THAT NEST IS COMPLETELY GONE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE CLEARED THAT LAND TWO, THREE YEARS AGO. AT THE OSPREYS CONTINUE TO COME, I CANNOT BLAME ANYBODY OR ANYTHING . NOT OCCUPIED, IT IS NO LONGER THERE . I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT NEST GOT KNOCKED OUT OF THE TREE AND SURVIVED. AND THEN, SO . THIS IS FROM MY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. ALL OF THE TREES ABOVE THAT ORANGE LINE, THEY ARE NOT THERE, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE THERE. YOU MENTIONED THE AMERICAN DREAM , MR. MURPHY AND MR. WHITEHURST SAID. I ALSO HAVE A DREAM. I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PRESERVE BEHIND ME , SIT ON THE BACK PATIO , NOW, NOTHING LIKE THAT . I UNDERSTAND WHY THE GENTLEMAN WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY TO DEVELOP THE WAY HE WANTS, BUT WHAT GIVES HIS DREAM MORE VALUE THAN MINE. -- MINE ? I THINK THERE WAS A NOTIFICATION ISSUE , THE CDD WAS EITHER NOT NOTIFIED DAYS AGO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I AM NOT SURE . 
          >> THANK YOU , AND ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ? SEEING NONE 
          , WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I DID SPEAK TO THE CDD , THEY NEED TO UPDATE THEIR MAILING ADDRESS , WHICH IS WHERE WE DO THE MAILINGS. SO, THEY WILL GET THAT UPDATED. ONE OF OUR VARIANCE REQUESTS TODAY . IT IS DID NOT HAVE TO PAVE PINE ISLAND ROAD. AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAYS OFF THE EASEMENT AND DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL STORM WATER POND THAT YOU SEE WITH MUCH DENSER SUBDIVISIONS . THIS IS SMALL , FOR LOTS, VERY LARGE LOTS AND STAFF HAS NO CONCERN ABOUT ANY OF THESE REQUESTS MADE TODAY. I JUST WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE REQUESTS BEING MADE TODAY, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO 
          WITH THE TREES. >> WELL, I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT PICTURE WAS ALARMING THAT THEY CLEARED ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK AFTER WE HAD THAT HUGE MEETING. I GUESS, I GUESS I KEEP HEARING 
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EXCUSES FOR WHY PEOPLE DID NOT GET SOMETHING AND I FEEL LIKE THERE IS ALWAYS AN EXCUSE FOR 1 MILLION THINGS THAT ANY OTHER 
          COMMISSIONER? >> I AM CONFUSED WITH THAT PICTURE AS WELL. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, AT THAT LINE, THERE ARE CLEARLY TREES NORTH OF THAT LINE. 
          >> I WOULD LOVE TO BRING THE PICTURE BACK UP. CURRENTLY I HAVE A SMALL LINE IN THE BACK, PAST THE MONUMENTS AND EVERYTHING . SO I AM JUST MAKING A COMMENT. I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH THE GENTLEMAN. YOU ARE ROUGHLY STANDING WHERE ONE 
          OF MY -- I'M SORRY? >> THAT, THEN FROM THERE, THERE IS PROBABLY ANOTHER 10 TO 12 FEET OF TREE LINE. ONE OF THE THINGS HE CAN ATTEST TO, WHEN I TURNED IN THE PERMIT, I HAD TO TAKE DOWN DEAD PINES . THIS PICTURE TO THE LEFT, ONE LIVE OAK, IT IS DOCUMENTED ON THE CLEARANCE SHEET BECAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS A VERY PARTICULAR INCIDENTS, WE HAVE CLEARED NOTHING FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS ARE, ANY TREES THAT ARE DOCUMENTED AS SAFE TREES, BEYOND THAT. THE ONE TREE IS RIGHT THERE AT MY BACK PORCH , IF YOU BRING THIS PICTURE BACK UP? THERE IS A TREE LINE , I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE . 
          THERE IS A TREE BUFFER BETWEEN THAT . OKAY? OUR HOUSE IS BASICALLY PUSHED RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT TREE LINE BY ABOUT SEVEN FEET. THIS REDLINE CAN BE A LITTLE DECEIVING OF WHAT IS WHERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. PLEASE LET'S TAKE NOTE . THE REDLINE COULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT , BUT KNOWING THE SEVERITY OF THE TREE ISSUES, MY FAMILY KEEPS TELLING ME TO SAY, PLEASE STATE WE DID NOT DO IT . WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE GETTING INTO WITH THE PROCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THE REDLINE MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF. 
          BUT WE HAVE CLEARED NO TREES BEYOND WHAT WAS INITIALLY DONE. 
          FOR ONE, I KNOW WHAT A PARTICULAR POINT THIS IS AND I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THE THREE TREES WE HAD TO TAKE DOWN, JUST IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAME UP . 
          >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD ? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE WELL WOULD BE OPERATIONAL TOMORROW, IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. >> NOT TOMORROW? 
          >> THEY ARE ACTUALLY INSTALLING THE PUMP AND THE SYSTEM TODAY. 
          >> WHEN IS IT OPERATIONAL? >> I HAVE TO GET POWER TO IT. 
          LET'S SAY BY THE END OF THE WEEK. FOR THE TREE INSTALL, THAT IS OUR NEXT STEP. ONCE AGAIN, THE PROPERTY LAYOUT, LET'S ASSUME THAT THE LOTS LAYOUT THE WAY WE ARE PROPOSING THEM . THAT GIVES THEM THE IDEA OF PLANTING WHERE THEY NEED TO BE OR EVERYTHING ELSE . IT IS KIND OF THE PROCESS FOR US TO MAKE SENSE AND WHY WE HAVE A DEADLINE. IF WE DON'T MEET IT , I GUESS WE ARE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE BUT I AM GOING THROUGH THESE PROCESSES. I AM NOT DRAGGING MY FEET. I AM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE PROCESS IS JUST TAKING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TIME GETTING THINGS ROLLING. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. 
          >> KIND OF. >> I AM OBLIGATED BY LAW TO DO . 
          IT IS AGREED UPON. >> THANK YOU . 
          >> SO, IF WE WERE TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO REHEAR THIS AND THEY COULD NOTIFY NEIGHBORS WITH THE REAL ADDRESSES, HOW LONG? WHEN WOULD THEY COME BACK WITH THIS? 
          >> NUMBER ONE, UP TO THEM . WHAT IS THE SOONEST THEY COULD COME 
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          BACK? >> 10/21. 
          >> I AM NOT HEARING ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE VARIANCES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING. 
          >> I AM NOT COMFORTABLE EITHER AND I HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER WHO IS NOT COMFORTABLE , I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THE LAST COMMISSIONER BUT THAT IS A MAJORITY OF UNCOMFORTABLE 
          PEOPLE. >> WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE VARIANCE 
          REQUESTS? >> YOU HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER UP HERE WHO IS NOT UNCOMFORTABLE AT ALL AND WHO WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A 
          MOTION. >> YEAH, WE KNOW THAT. 
          >> YOU CAN VOTE THE MOTION DOWN BUT I STILL THINK I HAVE THE 
          RIGHT TO MAKE A MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE SOME 
          CLARIFICATION . >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE , WHATEVER THAT IS , THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM PLATTING REQUIREMENTS , REGARDING , DIVIDING IT INTO FOUR PARCELS , BASED ON CONDITIONS AND FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION FAILS . COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE OCTOBER 
          21ST MEETING . >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE 4-1. SO WE WILL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          >> CAN WE GET SOME DIRECTION? >> I AM GOING TO MAKE A SITE VISIT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO, WE WILL MEET WITH 
          [8. Confirmation of Christine Valliere as the Economic Development Director. Christine Valliere has been selected as the Economic Development Director and began serving in this position on September 29, 2025. Ms. Valliere brings over 30 years of experience in land use, utility, and local government law. Most recently, she served as Assistant General Counsel for the City of Jacksonville, advising JEA on real estate, development review, regulatory enforcement, and major interlocal agreements. Prior to that, she spent 5 years working as a Senior Assistant County Attorney for St. Johns County, providing legal counsel on land use planning, zoning, transportation, development regulations, and real estate acquisition matters. Her extensive knowledge and experience in land use, utilities, the comprehensive plan, and the St. Johns County community will be a tremendous asset as we shape our long-term economic development strategy. She will play a key role in building a comprehensive set of tools to attract the right businesses and high-quality jobs to our County.]
STAFF TO SEE HOW IT ALL LINES UP, IS THAT ALL RIGHT? 
          >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, NUMBER EIGHT 
          . THIS IS A TOUGH ONE . >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR , AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS . CHRISTINE VALLIERE , AS THE ATOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR , WE ARE HERE TO ASK YOUR CONFIRMATION OF HER DIRECTORSHIP. MOST OF US HAVE THE PLEASURE TO HAVE WORKED WITH HER FOR YEARS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE HER VAST KNOWLEDGE OF EXPERIENCE AND CREDENTIALS THAT WOULD MAKE HER THE TOP CANDIDATE FOR THE POSITION. SHE HAS ONLY SERVED AS LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, AND ADVISING GEA AND ON REGULATORY TOPICS. SHE SERVED 30 YEARS ON LEGAL COUNSEL , FIVE OF THEM , AND SIMILARLY IN THE AREAS OF MANAGEMENT, PLANNING, ZONING, LAND ACQUISITION, REAL ESTATE, UTILITY, TRANSPORTATION. IN THOSE AREAS SHE SERVED 25 YEARS IN OUR COUNTY. I TRULY BELIEVE HER EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE IN THIS AREA WILL BE A HUGE AREA FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO EXPLORE NEW TOOLS AND BRING VALUABLE BUSINESS SUITABLE FOR THE COUNTY AND QUALITY JOBS. I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK 
          FOR YOUR CONFIRMATION. >> ANY QUESTIONS ? PUBLIC 
          COMMENT ? >> WE WILL ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE 
          PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONFIRM DDN ST. JOHNS, LLC FOR AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. 
          >> SECOND ARID >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A 
          [Commissioners’ Reports]
SECOND. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, WE WILL NOW GO TO 
          COMMISSIONER COMMENT . >> I MENTIONED , WITH OUR GREAT TOUR OF COUNTY FACILITIES, THE 135,000 SQUARE-FOOT INDOOR ATHLETIC FACILITY COMPRISED OF INDOOR TRACK , GYMNASTICS APPARATUS , IT IS ALL PAID FOR , PICKLEBALL , BASKETBALL , THEY ATTRACT TOURNAMENTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. IT IS AN ASSET PAID FOR BY TOURISM . IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO LET THE TOURISTS PAY FOR IT I THINK THAT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL. I SAT ON A FEW DIFFERENT COMMITTEES ONE WAS THE FINANCE , TAX, ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE. WE DISCUSSED ITEMS , WE ARE 
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TRYING TO PROPOSE POLICIES TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT WILL HELP MAKE OUR COUNTIES BETTER. ONE OF THE POLICIES RECOMMENDED WAS PASSING A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE EXECUTIVE STAFF HAVE INFORMATION EXEMPT FROM PUBLIC RECORD COMING AS A RESULT -- I GOT TO MEET WITH REBECCA, SHE KNOWS YOU , AND SHE WAS TELLING US ABOUT THE STORY, SHE WAS TELLING US ABOUT ONE OF THE STAFF. THE CHILDREN ARE RECEIVING THREATS AS A RESULT OF HER BEING A PUBLIC FIGURE, SOME OF THE VITRIOL THAT COMES OUR WAY. THERE WERE MANY OTHER IDEAS DISCUSSED, ONE OF WHICH PASSED THAT WILL ALLOW EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER STAFF , ON THE GULF COAST , THEY DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE THESE EASEMENTS, I KNOW THAT IT WILL TAKE A LOT , TRYING TO GET THOSE MISSING TEETH FOR THE PROJECT BUT THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE WE DO. SO, THAT CONCLUDES THAT REPORT . WE ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME CONTROL BACK OVER THE LEGISLATURE. MY SECOND ITEM BEGINS WITH A VIDEO. I WAS HOPING THAT PUBLIC AFFAIRS COULD RUN THOSE COUPLE OF CLIPS. 
          >> I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO PEOPLE AND YOU ARE DOING A LOT. THIS USED TO BE PRETTY FRACTIOUS TWO WEEKS AGO . 
          BUT YOU ARE LISTENING TO EACH OTHER AND EVERYONE HAS RAISED 
          REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MURPHY . YOU ARE RUNNING A VERY SMOOTH AND DRAMA-FREE MEETING. I THINK THE PEOPLE OUT THERE FELT IT AS WELL. 
          >> THAT WAS OUR SEPTEMBER 16TH COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING. ON THE 17TH, THERE WAS A POST. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A PICTURE. NO, GO BACK A FEW. THIS WAS POSTED BY NICOLE CROSBY , CELEBRATING KRISTA JOSEPH 'S ABSENCE FROM THE MEETING YESTERDAY. SHE HAD ELECTIVE SURGERY . AND COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS VERY UPSET TO HEAR THE NEWS BUT WE ARE GLAD TO SEE YOU SITTING BACK IN YOUR SEAT. YOU JUST HEARD COMMISSIONER ARNOLD'S COMMENTS, YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS BY MR. SLAYTON , A BIG FAN OF COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. NOTICING THAT COMMISSIONER MURPHY DID A GREAT JOB. A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE CAME UP TO CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER MURPHY ON WHAT A GREAT JOB HE DID IN THE MEETING, CAN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE POST WANTS PEOPLE TO BE UPSET AND ANGRY WITH COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. THE POSTER WANTS YOU TO THINK THAT SHE IS CELEBRATING SOMEBODY'S SICKNESS WHICH IS NOT THE CASE . BUT HERE , I DON'T KNOW WHO IT ISBUT OBVIOUSLY, SHE WAS UPSET BY IT. NEXT SLIDE . THIS IS NICOLE CROSBY RESPONDING TO TAYLOR , AND OBVIOUSLY , AFTER A WHILE , TAKING A BREATH , HONESTLY IT LOOKS PRETTY MENACING , BECAUSE THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE POST. THE REASON I AM BRINGING THIS UP , WE CANNOT HAVE SOMEONE SAYING MEAN THINGS. 
          BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL RHETORIC OUT THERE , THERE IS AN INCREASE IN POLITICAL VIOLENCE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. NOT ONLY HAS THERE BEEN AN INCREASE IN POLITICAL VIOLENCE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE POLLS THAT SHOW THERE IS AN INCREASE IN ACCEPTED IN USING POLITICAL VIOLENCE TO ACHIEVE POLITICAL MEANS. THIS WAS ON A PAGE CALLED THE ST. AUGUSTINE NEWS. THAT HAS 104,000 FOLLOWERS. IT IS A PUBLIC GROUP, IT HAS 104,000 MEMBERS , THE ST. 
          AUGUSTINE NEWS . THIS WAS IN THE COMMENTS SECTION. I WAS PRETTY SURE THE ADMINISTRATORS WERE GOING TO TAKE IT DOWN QUICKLY BUT IT WAS UP FOR HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS. I WAS WAITING 
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FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, THIS IS INSANE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO RESORT TO VIOLENCE. IN FACT, IT GOT A FEW LIKES. WE SHOULD ALL CONDEMN THE TACTICS THAT ARE BEING USED TO ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO GET ANGRY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T DO. WE ARE ALL ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR ACTIONS AND OUR VOTES, BUT TO MISCONSTRUE A COMPLIMENT GIVEN TO COMMISSIONER MURPHY FOR RUNNING A GOOD MEETING, WHICH HE DID. AND CELEBRATING SOMEBODY'S ILLNESS , THAT SHOULD BE CONDEMNED . SHE IS OUR NEIGHBOR AND WE SHOULD LOVE HER. BUT THE TACTICS, IT TAKES EVERY MEMBER 
          OF THIS BOARD TO DO SO. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD ? 
          >> I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO SHAUNA NOVAK . WE HELD AN AMAZING SUMMIT AT THE POLYNESIAN CONCERT HALL TO KICK OFF CHILDREN'S RESILIENCY IMPACT . AND WE PUT TOGETHER I THINK ALMOST 50 DEDICATED LEADERS TO COLLABORATE AND MOVE PAST THE BYLAWS, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT . BUT WE WANT TO LAUNCH THIS CHILDREN'S INITIATIVE , IT BASICALLY PUTS FOUNDATIONS IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN ADVOCATE HOLISTICALLY FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, EDUCATION, AND CREATE A FORUM FOR PROVIDERS TO DISCUSS THOSE MEETINGS AND PLANS TO ADJUST THEM AND INCREASE COLLABORATION AND COORDINATE CARE FOR CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS NOT MY BRAINCHILD. THIS IS SOMETHING AMAZING LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY STARTED UP . NOW, POST COVID , SOME OF THE STATISTICS ARE DEVASTATING. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, THE NONPROFITS HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS . ONE OTHER THING, SORRY, ONE MORE SUGGESTION . TODAY WE HAD YET ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE THE PRESENTER WHERE VARIOUS AUDIENCE MEMBERS . IS THERE A WAY WE COULD INVITE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS, THE MINI CALM -- THEY MAY NOT COME, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE BEST CHOICE POSSIBLE. 
          >> MANY PRAYERS , WE CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE THE HAND HE HAS BEEN DEALT. A LOT OF PRAYERS ARE GOING THAT WAY. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE, THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS THIS MORNING REGARDING THE HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GETTING REJECTED BY THE STATE , LITERALLY, SB 180 IS HELPING OUR COUNTY . THESE COPS REPRESENT WHAT THE STATE IS DOING TO THE COUNTY ABILITY TO PREVENT HOME RULE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WARNED OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT PRIOR TO JULY AND I ASKED HIM TO JOIN ME IN VETOING THIS BILL DUE TO THE LAST-MINUTE , THEY ARE USING LOCAL RULES ON IMPORTANT DECISIONS. A GREAT DEAL OF TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY HAS GONE INTO THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS JUST REJECTED . AND OUR IMPACT PLAN COULD BE NEXT. AS YOU ARE ALL WELL AWARE, THERE IS A LAWSUIT AGAINST SB 180, AT LEAST 25 MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE JOINED AND NOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE IMPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, I REACHED OUT AND I SPOKE TO THE ATTORNEY THAT FILED THE LAWSUIT, IT IS JENNY CALL , WITH -- WHAT 
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HE SHARED WAS THAT THIS LAWSUIT WAS JUST AN INJUNCTION TO HALT ENFORCEMENT OF THE REGULATIONS OF SB 180. SB 180 HAS UNCONSTITUTIONALLY TAKEN AWAY HOME RULE. AND THE ATTORNEY , HE SAID WHAT IS SO CRITICAL IS THE TIMING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU KNOW , IF HE WOULD'VE INVESTIGATED THE PLAN MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO , IT WOULD NOT BE QUITE SO DETRIMENTAL AS IT IS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY AT THIS TIME. SO, IT IS THE TIMING THAT IS SO DETRIMENTAL. $10,000 , I MEAN, OUR COUNTY SPENDS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS IS RELATIVELY A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. I INVITE EACH OF YOU TO REACH OUT AND CONTACT THE ATTORNEY FOR A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS ENTAILS. I MEAN, THERE IS SO MUCH DAMAGE TO BE DONE TO OUR ACCOUNTING AND WE DO NOT HAVE A YEAR TO WAIT . YOU KNOW , I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS . AND IF ANYONE IS WILLING TO 
          REACH OUT. >> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MAYBE MAKE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM IN THE NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS WEIGHT 
          >> NO. NO . >> I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY REACH OUT TO OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS WHO ALL VOTED FOR THIS. WHAT IS THEIR JUSTIFICATION? 
          >> ABSOLUTELY, IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED . SO, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE REACHED OUT TO, SHE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT LAST SECOND , THEY PUT IT IN AT THE 11TH HOUR. THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO. 
          >> WOULD THAT HAVE CHANGED HER VOTE? 
          >> ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FULL PICTURE . SHE HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WAS STRIPPING AWAY HOME RULE . SO, 
          YEAH . >> THANK YOU , MADAM CHAIR. I DON'T WANT AN AGENDA ITEM, IT HAS BEEN IN THE MEDIA, IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IS, THIS LAW SUNSETS IN 2027. AT THE TIME WE ENTERED INTO A LAWSUIT AND GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AND THE APPEALS COURTS, THIS LAW WILL LIKELY SUNSET BY THE TIME WE FIGURE OUT WHO THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I ALSO THINK, TO BUILD ON COMMISSIONER ARNOLD 'S POINT, ARE THEY FILING A BILL TO REPEAL IT AND OVERTURN THE BILL ? WE CAN ASK REPRESENTATIVE GRECO , WORK TOGETHER WITH US, TO FILE A BILL TO REPEAL THIS LAW. 
          >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP? I THOUGHT , WHAT SHE REPRESENTED 
          TODAY WAS INTERESTING . >> I THOUGHT SO, TOO. OBVIOUSLY WE NEED A BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT REVISING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          >> WHAT ABOUT WHAT SHE SAID TODAY? WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN . 
          WHICH I WANT TO DO. IN TERMS OF SEEKING CONSENSUS , I WOULD VOTE NO. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO JOIN A LAWSUIT . 
          >> DOES THAT MEAN YOU WANT AN AGENDA ITEM? DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS, NOT TO JOIN THE LAWSUIT ? 
          >> DO WE NEED CONSENSUS FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM FOR A DISCUSSION? THAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE . 
          >> ANN TAYLOR WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION OF SOME KIND. 
          >> NO , PUT IT ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT . WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY ON, IT IS A COMPLETE INSULT FOR THEM TO NOT TELL US 
          WHAT IS GOING ON. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? WOULD 
          YOU LIKE TO JOIN A LAWSUIT? >> NO, MADAM CHAIR, I WOULDN'T. 
          I HAVE BEEN CONTACTING REPRESENTATIVE GRECO , AND 
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JUSTIN SAPP , TO REMIND HIM THAT I AM UNITED IN MY PASSION WITH WHAT SENATE BILL 180, IT NEEDS TO BE REPEALED OR CHANGED. I DON'T THINK THE LAWSUIT IS THE WAY TO GO. I ENJOY WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I THINK THE LEGAL PATH WILL TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS, IT WILL SUNSET BY THEN IF NOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED. I THINK WE NEED TO ALLOW -- JOINING THE LAWSUIT PUTS IT IN THE COURTS . WE WANT THEM UP THERE CHANGING THIS LAW , MAKING SURE THAT IT IS SAID WITH A LOUD ENOUGH VOICE , WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT IN 67 COUNTIES AGAINST SENATE BILL 180. I THINK SOMETHING WILL BE DONE IN SESSION AND WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. 
          >> I WANT TO CLARIFY. THE CHAIR DOES SET THE AGENDA . THE CONCESSION IS THAT MY GAIT CONSENSUS NEEDS A VOTE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT IS NOT NORMAL COUNTY IS THIS. AS LONG AS EVERYONE AGREES, IT CAN BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. THAT IS 
          FINE. >> THE LAWSUIT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME BUT THE INJUNCTION WILL NOT TAKE VERY LONG. WHAT AN INJUNCTION DOES IS, IT KEEPS THEM FROM ENFORCING THE REGULATIONS OF SB 180. FOR EXAMPLE, IT CAN HELP US WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE INJUNCTION COMES BEFORE. 
          >> THEN THE APPELLATE COURT WOULD GIVE AN INJUNCTION ON THE INJUNCTION, IT WILL SPREAD OUT FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS ANYWAY. 
          >> AN INJUNCTION, IF SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT , DOES THAT APPLY 
          TO EVERYONE WE >> AT THIS POINT, ALL THE PARTIES HAVE NOT BEEN SERVED . SEPTEMBER 29TH AND IT HAS NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THE PROCESS. IT IS POSSIBLE . BUT COMMISSIONER MURPHY IS RIGHT . THE UNDERLYING CASES . 
          >> DO WE WANT SOME DIRECTION? I GUESS WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, TOO? 
          TO SEND TO THE REPRESENTATIVE ? >> I DO HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. I KNOW THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER , AT THE LAST MEETING, I DID MENTION HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING THAT I MENTIONED , THE LAST TIME. DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS , NOVEMBER 15TH , WE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO MAKE IT A BIG, FORMAL MEETING. IT WAS A BIG INFORMATIONAL MEETING AND , I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT THIS MORNING. BUT DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS, THIS IS NOT AVAILABLE. WE WANTED TO GET GOING ON THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. IT WAS ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS AND THERE WAS A GREAT RESPONSE IN ATTENDANCE FROM THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED FROM ST. AUGUSTINE, THAT INCLUDED THE CITY MANAGER, THE MAYOR, THE FIRE CHIEF , THE BUSINESS COALITION , JOY WAS THERE . THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND DAVID BERGMAN GAVE AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION , INCLUDING ALL KINDS OF THINGS , FOR PEDESTRIAN AREAS AND ALL OF THAT. UTILIZING THE PARK AND RIDE SHUTTLES AND LIMITING TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE CITY WILL BE REALLY KEY. IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION , THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE OCTOBER 15TH AND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT HAS GONE INTO THAT AND THAT WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE WITH THAT. OVERALL, IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE, A GOOD MEETING, PRODUCTIVE MEETING. GREAT TO HAVE SO MANY KEY PEOPLE. SO MUCH BETTER THAN LAST YEAR, ALL IN THE SAME ROOM. I WAS BEYOND THRILLED ABOUT HOW PROACTIVE IT WAS. VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. BUT THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS, THANK YOU. 
          >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> I AM MAD ABOUT HOW THE ELAM IS BEING FED INTO THE MACHINE. IT WILL TAKE ME A WHILE TO GET OVER THAT BUT I AM SURE IT WILL BE OKAY. THE FIRST THING I WANT 
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TO TALK ABOUT IS , A LIST FROM WHAT THE FLORIDA BEVERAGE SITUATION, THEY WANT EVERY BOTTLE BACK. IT IS A RECYCLING PROGRAM FOR PLASTIC BOTTLES WHICH I THINK IS GENIUS. MOST OF THE RECYCLING THAT WE WORK WITH A COMPANY THAT WANTS THESE BOTTLES BACK IF I MAY, I WANT TO ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT THE RECYCLING, MAYBE SEE HOW WE CAN WORK WITH THE FLORIDA BEVERAGE ASSOCIATION TO GET PLASTIC BOTTLES OUT OF OUR TRASH CANS AND INTO THE RECYCLING PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXCITING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> I AM LOOKING OVER AT YOU. THANK YOU, THE NEXT THING, NEIL ? AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS TO DIRECT NEIL TO TAKE AN OFFICIAL LOOK AT THE SEWER ISSUE I WOULD ASK NEIL TO LOOK IN SO THAT WE CAN GET CONSENSUS FOR THAT 
          >> YOU GOT IT. AND THE THIRD ONE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE MIGHT NEED TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. A GROUP HAS COME, TALKING ABOUT THE LEASH LAW AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR EXCEPTIONS TO THE LEASH LAW WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING. THEY ARE TRAINING ANIMALS AND THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH TRAINING YOU CAN DO ON A LEASH. THEY WANTED TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF. I WOULD LOVE TO GO AHEAD , AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH PAUL AND LEGAL TO LOOK AT IT . AND STRICTLY FOR TRAINING AND OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE , I KNOW IT IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE . I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION TODAY . I WOULD LOVE TO 
          TRY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. >> I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT, I HAVE BEEN A RUNNER SINCE I WAS 9 YEARS OLD, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY DOGS THAT ARE TRAINED OR NOT TRAINED WITHOUT A LEASH. I AM WALKING WITH A LEASH ON THE BEACH, AND A DOG COMES RUNNING AT ME, I CANNOT STOP THAT FROM COMING. THEY ARE NOT UNDER CONTROL. I AM NOT UNDER -- IN FAVOR OF THAT , I DON'T KNOW 
          ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE. >> IT IS NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN BE OFF LEASH ON THE BEACH. IT IS JUST STRICTLY FOR TRAINING PURPOSES . THAT IS HOW IT WAS BROUGHT TO ME. IF THE ANSWER IS NO, I AM OKAY WITH THAT . BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO HAVE A 
          DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER, OF COURSE I HAVE CONCERNS. I AM NOT A RUNNER. EVERYONE CAN TELL I AM NOT A RUNNER. I AM DEFINITELY NOT A RUNNER BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT . 
          >> I AM WITH YOU , IT'S YOU SEE ME RUNNING, YOU BETTER RUN, TOO BECAUSE SOMETHING IS COMING. I BELIEVE THAT IS ABOUT ALL I 
          HAVE. >> ALL RIGHT , I HAVE THE MEMBERS OF THE CONDO ASSOCIATION REGARDING A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THEY WOULD LIKE SOME CHANGES BEFORE THEY UNDERTAKE A COSTLY REPAIR WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT. I WOULD LIKE OCA TO BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION, IS THAT ALL RIGHT? GOOD. THE OTHER THING , I HAVE TWO TDC MEETINGS LEFT AND I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE NOT REPRESENTING THE COUNTY. I WAS WANTING TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER CLAY MURPHY TO THAT MEETING FOR THE TWO DAYS. WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT ? EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE MAD ? 
          >> I AM STILL MAD. BUT I WILL ACCEPT, WITH MY BOTTOM LIP OUT . 
          4-1 ? THAT STUNG. I AM LOOKING DOWN AT THE OTHER END GOING, 
          THANKS A LOT, GUYS. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR 
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PRAYERS AND SENDING ME ALL THE CARDS . IT IS A HARD TIME. 
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          >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT. 
          >> THANK YOU, I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE LAWSUIT , ON SEPTEMBER 29TH , THERE IS A LAWSUIT THAT WAS FILED , THERE IS 23 MUNICIPALITIES , TWO COUNTIES HAVE DRAWN IN , SO, W WILL
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