[1. 2050 Comprehensive Plan Workshop. This item is a Workshop for the Board of County Commissioners to discuss the 2050 Comprehensive Plan. For the purposes of this Workshop, the draft documents attached to this item are the same as those presented at the May 20, 2025, Board of County Commissioners meeting. Staff is implementing revisions based on direction received at the May 20, 2025, Board of County Commissioners meeting, including the following: 1) Retain existing language and standards within the Comprehensive Plan previously proposed to be moved to the Land Development Code; 2) Remove consideration for height increase; 3) Incorporate Missing Middle and Affordable Housing into Density Bonus. Recommendations from this Workshop and those received at the May 20, 2025, Board of County Commissioners meeting will be included in forthcoming drafts of the 2050 Comprehensive Plan. ]

>>> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK FROM LUNCH AND AGENDA ITEM 1, I BET

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR THIS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND THE COMMISSIONERS. I THINK CHAIR JOSEPH ALLUDED TO THAT I WAS GOING TO I'M HERE TO REALLY INTRODUCE THE -- SORRY, YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING? THIS VERSION OF UPDATES, BUT FIRST I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE OF THIS COMP PLAN VERSION. INCLUDES CHRIS DOHERTY, GEORGE KRAMER, GABBY CASTRO, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS. AND WE ARE TO HAVE MIKE ROBINSON, DEREK, JACOB SMITH AND DESOUSA WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I AM THE LEAST QUALIFIED PERSON TO PRESENT THIS PLAN UPDATE BUT IT MAY BE A BENEFIT FOR A TRANSLATION THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE FOR THE AUDIENCE. SO, WE HAD A MEETING AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING AS STAFF AND TEAM AND WE HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM BOARD, ALL OF THE FIVE AND WE REALIZE THAT THERE IS REALLY A COMMON THEME WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AS WE MOVE FORWARD .

THE FOUR PILLARS THAT TODAY WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON TALKING ABOUT AS A STARTING POINT OF A PRODUCT, FOR OF YOU TO CONSIDER TO REVISE, TO IMPROVE UPON, PILLARS ARE TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

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NUMBER THREE IS CONSERVATION PRESERVATION AND THAT'S NATURAL RESOURCES, HISTORICAL VALUE, AND NUMBER FOUR, WHICH REALLY IS WHICH IS -- IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PREPARE FOR THE GROWTH AND WE WILL GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THE LAWS AND EXPECTATION OF THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSIONERS. NUMBER ONE ONE, THE PILLAR OF THE FOUR PILLARS, IS WE GOING TO ADDRESS THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE? SO THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH TALKING ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF TRANSPORTATION, PEDESTRIAN, BICYCLE FRIENDLY SYSTEM, IT ENHANCE PARKS, OPEN SPACE AND ANOTHER BIG THING IS THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, THE LONG TIME PLANNING FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY LIVE YOUR AND PROTECT AND GROW THE COUNTY'S WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM. THOSE ARE THE FOUR BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS IN THIS VERSION OF THE PLAN. I WILL PROBABLY LEAVE THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THIS PLANNING INITIATIVES FOR THE QUALIFIED PLANNERS TO DISCUSS BECAUSE THEY WILL GUIDE YOU THROUGH WHERE THE ELEMENTS ARE ADDRESSED AND WHAT POLICY NUMBER AND THAT IS REALLY TIED TO A GREENLINE VERSION OF THIS VERSION OF CONFERENCE OF PLAN UPDATES AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE VERSION BECAUSE STAFF, TEAM, INSPIRE, HAD TWO WEEKS TO COMPLETE THIS VERSION AND WE JUST FINISHED THAT VERSION OF IT LAST NIGHT. AND UNDER THIS PILLAR, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MENTION SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CHANGED FROM LAST VERSION TO THIS VERSION. THAT IS, THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND AND PROPOSE AS A STARTING POINT FOR THE FIVE OF YOU TO CONSIDER IS TO HAVE NO INCREASE IN ANY DENSITY. THE DENSITY IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS.

AND I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME, AGAIN AS A STARTING POINT FOR FIVE OF YOU TO CONSIDER TO MAINTAIN STATUS QUO IN TERMS OF DENSITY HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND DENSITY INCENTIVES TO INCENTIVIZE CERTAIN DENSITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR VERY PARTICULAR PURPOSES SUCH AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SUCH AS THE WETLAND CONSERVATION. SO YOU WILL GET TO SEE SOME OF THOSE DETAILS. THE OTHER BIG THING THAT WE HAVE AMENDED FOR THIS VERSION IS TO REMOVE THE HEIGHT IMPROVEMENT FROM 85, WHICH WAS THE PREVIOUS VERSION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING. AND WE HEARD FROM THE BOARD THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY MORE WILLING TO SEE A STATUS QUO SITUATION FOR THE HEIGHT OF OUR BUILDING. WE ALSO DO HAVE OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT PROVISIONS THAT CAN PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY IF THERE IS APPLICANTS THAT ARE PROVIDING THE PROJECT THAT'S CONDUCIVE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE HERE. THEY DO HAVE AN AVENUE TO PURSUE A HIGHER HEIGHT IF THAT IS SO TO CHOOSE. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE THAT WE'VE MADE, TO REMOVE 85 FEET FROM THIS VERSION OF COMPETENCE OF PLAN AND REVERT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ALREADY, WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIRDLY, WE REMOVED ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE BACK TO COMPETENCE A PLAN AND THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL SEE, IT LOOKS MESSY BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY LARGE VOLUME OF THOSE TRANSFERRING OF LETTERS. AND YOU WILL SEE QUITE A BIT ABOUT CONSERVATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WANT TO SEE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO REMAIN THE SAME AND IF THERE IS OPPORTUNITY, WE WANT TO INCREASE THE INFILL WHERE IT'S ALREADY BEING DEVELOPED OR IT'S MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING. SO YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THOSE COMMON THEMES THAT WILL THREAD THROUGH THE NEW VERSION.

SECONDLY, THE SECOND PILLAR THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU IS TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO WORK HERE. AND THE REASON WE WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE THIS PILLAR FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE IS THAT WE DO HAVE A RECOGNIZABLE ISSUE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THIS SECTION LARGELY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ALREADY WORK HERE, CANNOT LIVE HERE AFFORDING ANY HOMEOWNERSHIP AND THEY MAY BE RENTING AN APARTMENT, THEY MAY HAVE MULTIPLE ROOMMATES, BUT THEY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS

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COMMUNITY. SO IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE SURE, HOW DO WE PROVIDE A POLICY MECHANISM TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO WORK HERE AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THERE ARE A SERIES OF POLICY NUMBERS, INITIATIVES THAT AGAIN THE QUALIFIED PLANNER WILL GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND GIVE US DIRECTION ON HOW YOU ONE THAT TO LOOK LIKE. THIRDLY, PRESERVATION, THAT IS A NUMBER ONE THEME IN MANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AND WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORTS AND EMPHASIS ON HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENSURE FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS THAT WE ARE CONTINUING AND PRESERVING OUR NATURAL RESOURCE, CONSERVING AND PROTECTING OUR WILDLIFE HABITAT BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT THAT. BY DIRECTING GROWTH TO AREA ALREADY SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE PRESERVATION OF RURAL AREAS, THE AREA THAT IS MEANT TO BE STAYING INTACT FOR ITS CHARACTERISTICS IS OFTEN TIME ACCOMPLISHED BY YOUR ABILITY TO IMPROVE DENSITY AND PUTTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE AREAS THAT IS LESS PROTECTED. AND IN OTHER WORDS, THE NECESSITY OF INFIELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSERVATION IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS PLAN OF WORK AND ALSO HELP YOU TO MEET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO ADDRESS THE PROJECTED POPULATION NEEDS. AND THIS IS WAY TOO SMALL BUT THE CATCHPHRASE WE ARE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT BY STATE STATUTE, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE POPULATION PROJECTION AND TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. AND WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT THE SEVEN YEAR SO TO SPEAK, PAUSE OF ANY DENSITY, MOVING ANY DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE TO CATCH UP WITH, SO THE QUALITY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE, WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED IN THE QUALITY OF ARE HERE JUST MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION. IT'S REALLY FOR THE BOARD TO CONTEMPLATE AND TELL US, IS THAT A REASONABLE APPROACH TO ADDRESS THIS 7 TO 25 YEARS PLAN BUT IT IS OUR EXPECTATION THAT IF THERE IS A PAUSE FOR ANY CHANGE OF DENSITY, IF THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY, IT HAS TO BE REVISITED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ABILITY TO ADDRESS THIS PROJECTED GROWTH IS IN PLACE. WE TALKED ABOUT, 10,000 HOUSING UNIT IS NEEDED AND WHAT'S OUR PLANNING HORIZON, AND WE HAVE 35,000+ HOUSING UNIT DEFICITS. CAN WE POSSIBLY ADDRESS THOSE DEFICITS BY THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO PUT IN PLACE.

AND IF THAT IS ADEQUATE, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD SEVEN YEARS TO CATCH UP OTHER DEFICITS WHILE STILL MEETING THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.

AND WE HEARD FROM YOU ALL AND THE COMMUNITY THAT INCREASED DENSITY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY AREA IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER AND WE ALSO HEARD FROM INFIELD AREAS, THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER, EXPAND DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY IS A NO. I THINK THAT SOMETHING YOU WILL SEE THREAD THROUGHOUT THIS VERSION OF THE PLAN. COMING BACK THIS IS JUST REITERATING WHAT IS THE DEFICIT THAT WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO ADDRESS AND HOW WE ARE PROPOSING THAT TO BE ADDRESSED. INCREASING DENSITY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY AND THE INFILL AREA. SO, AGAIN, GOING BACK, AND THIS WILL BE THE END OF MY OVERALL FOUR PILLARS FRAMEWORK OF WHAT THIS PLAN LOOKS LIKE, AND IT'S MORE OF MY EFFORT TO TRANSLATE THIS LABORERS PROCESS AND THE PLAN IS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR TEAM TO PUT TOGETHER THIS AMAZING FRAMEWORK OF A PLAN FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AS A STARTING POINT. I APPRECIATE THE TIME TODAY. THAT IS PRIOR TO THE PCA. I THINK THIS GAVE US AMPLE TIME TO GET DIRECTIONS FROM YOU ALL AND ALSO A BETTER PRODUCT FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WITH THAT, AGAIN, LET ME REITERATE BECAUSE I CANNOT REITERATE ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT THIS UPDATE IS ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT THE FOUR PILLARS, IT'S ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE WHO ALREADY WORK HERE. AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE OUR RURAL AREA, NATURAL RESOURCE, AND ARE

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HISTORICAL RESOURCES AND THIRDLY, THIS IS THE FOUNDATIONAL THING WE HAVE TO DO TODAY, MAKE SURE WHATEVER PRODUCT THAT WE PUT FORTH IS GOING TO MEET THE STATE STATUTE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY OVERVIEW. I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS BACK TO MIKE AND THE TEAM, TO DISCUSS THE DETAILS OF THESE POLICY INITIATIVES AND WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM. BEFORE I LEAVE,

COMMISSIONER -- >> YES, I HAVE ONE THING, THANK YOU, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALSO, YOU SAID SOMETHING YESTERDAY ABOUT CAN THIS BE CHANGED AGAIN?

>> OH YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR OUR CHAIR JOSEPH FOR THE REMINDER. AS A BOARD, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OBVIOUSLY AMEND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHENEVER YOU WANT TO. SO AT SOME POINT, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, SO THE PROCESS ESSENTIALLY IS THAT IT WILL GO TO PZA FOR TRANSMITTAL, AND THE BOARD IS GOING TO MAKE A DECISION HOPEFULLY IN JULY TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO TRANSMIT THE VERSION.

AFTERYOU TRANSMIT TO THE STATE, PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE ACTUAL PLAN, WE STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE ACTUAL PLAN AS LONG AS IT'S NOT FINALLY ADOPTED. EVEN AFTER THAT YOU STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT AND THIS IS THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DESIGNED FOR, SO YOU CAN CONSTANTLY MEET THE NEW NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHRIS DOHERTY, WITH INSPIRE PLACE MAKING COLLECTIVE. I WILL BACK THIS UP A LITTLE BIT HERE. AND WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DETAIL. FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, WE TALKED ABOUT REDLINE AND GREENLINE. REDLINE HAPPENS TO BE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES, THE CHANGES, THE GREENLINE IS DRAFT TWO, WHICH YOU RECEIVED LAST NIGHT. SO, IN BETWEEN OUR INITIAL OVERVIEW AND LAST NIGHT, IS THE DRAFT THAT YOU GOT. AGAIN, RESPONDING TO THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD NOT JUST FROM THE BOARD BUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. ON OUR SLIDES HERE, AS JOY MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVES ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS WHAT WE LEARNED DURING THE LONG ALMOST 6 MONTH PERIOD THAT WE WENT OUT TO EVERY COMMISSION DISTRICT AND SPOKE TO HUNDREDS OF FOLKS AND A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS . WE DRILLED DOWN ALL OF THAT INFORMATION INTO THESE CATEGORIES, WHICH END UP BEING THESE, WHAT WE HAD CALLED VISION INITIATIVES, OR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVES. WE'VE ADDRESSED EACH ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES IN THE GREENLINE DRAFT. NOW AS JOY MENTIONED, WE PULLED BACK ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OR STANDARDS THAT ARE IN YOUR COMP PLAN. WE ARE KEEPING THEM THERE, NOT MOVING THEM TO THE CODE. WE ARE PULLING BACK ON THE HEIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP IT AT THE SAME LEVEL. BUT WE DO THINK INCENTIVES AND PRIORITIZING THE INFILL IS ONE OF THE WAYS TO GET US TO ACCOMMODATING THE GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF SQUARE OFF THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY WHERE YOU HAVE THESE POCKETS THAT ARE NEXT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ADJACENT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT HAVING TO EXTEND THE LINES AND ROADS, IT'S ALREADY THERE. THE OTHER THING, THERE WAS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. THAT'S GOING BACK INTO THE COMP PLAY.

SO IT IS IN BOTH PLACES . THE HOPE WAS TO TRY TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING INCONSISTENT BUT WE HEARD FROM THE GROUP, WE WILL LEAVE IT AS IS. UP HERE AGAIN, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE VISION INITIATIVES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKS LEVEL SERVICE, MAYBE SIX DIFFERENT TIMES NOW. WE'VE KILLED THAT ONE. WE'VE GOT THE POLICY NUMBERS THERE, IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG. AGAIN, EMPHASIZING, WE CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH, A PARKS AND RATION MASTER PLAN IS KEY TO IDENTIFYING HOW YOU WILL SERVE THAT COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY AT EACH ONE OF THOSE PARK FACILITIES, WHAT TYPE OF BALLFIELDS DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED MORE PICKLE BALL COURTS, TRAILS, ETC. . THE COMP PLAN ISN'T NECESSARILY THE DOCUMENT OR THE POLICY GUIDANCE TOOL TO DO THAT. FROM TRANSPORTATION AGAIN, INCORPORATING COMPLETE

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STREETS AND MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY BONES OF TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE MORE FIXED ROUTE TRANIT. THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT BE CONNECTED. SO WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WE HEARD THAT AT OUR LAST GOP OVERVIEW MEETING.

AND AGAIN, MAKING SURE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS WHERE YOU HAVE IT. THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE A BRAND OF ELEMENT, WE MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HEY, THIS IS BIG PICTURE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN. OKAY, FROM THE HOUSING PERSPECTIVE, WE DID PROVIDE QUITE A FEW CHANGES. ONE THING WE DIDN'T HAVE NOTED ON THE RIGHT COLUMN IS THAT WE DID CREATE DEFINITIONS FOR MISSING MIDDLE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE LAST MEETING AND WE ALSO INCLUDED DEFINITIONS FOR WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING INCENTIVES FOR THOSE DENSITY INCENTIVES. WE FEEL LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CLEAR WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS.

AGAIN, INCREASING THE HOUSING SUPPLY, THE VARIETY OF HOUSING IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN, IF YOU ARE TRYING TO DRIVE COSTS DOWN, WE HAVE TO HAVE SUPPLY TO DO THAT, AND PROVIDING FOR THAT THE MISSING MIDDLE CATEGORY IS REALLY THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS? INCREASING THE ACREAGE ON THE POD SO WE ARE LESS RELIANT ON HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS. WE'VE IDENTIFIED HOW WE WANT THINGS TO LOOK AND BE IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THIS 10 ACRE IS PROBABLY AN ANTIQUATED OLD YOU KNOW, METRIC THAT WAS IN THE PLAN LONG AGO, AND TIME FOR A REFRESH AND NOT REQUIRING POD FOR EVERYTHING. AGAIN, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT SHOULD BE BY RIGHT. FROM A PRESIDENTIAL -- PRESERVATION STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK WE MADE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BETWEEN THE LAST UPDATE AND TODAY. JUST REITERATING, YOU KNOW, THE PZA HAD RECOMMENDED THE RURAL LANDS BOARD, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS GENIUS. WE DID, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE THAT, PROVIDING FOR AN ACTUAL OBJECTIVE IN POLICY, TO GUIDE THAT . THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST COMMUNITIES IN THE U.S., WE ARE THE OLDEST, RIGHT, SO WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY AND THE CULTURE OF THE COUNTY, PROVIDING FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, IDENTIFYING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. IDENTIFY EACH ONE OF THOSE POLICIES THERE. FROM A CONSERVATION STANDPOINT, PROVIDING FOR A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE, LAND ACQUISITION IS IMPORTANT AND EXPENSIVE.

PROVIDING PROTECTION FOR WETLANDS AND UPLANDS, THAT'S A DISTINCTION, WE ARE PROVIDING FOR THAT. PROVIDING MORE CONNECTED GREEN SPACES BETWEEN EITHER DEVELOPMENTS OR WITHIN NEW DEVELOPMENTS, REMOVAL OF INVASIVE SPECIES. THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, PROVIDING FOR PRESERVATION, THE STORK WORKING WATERFRONTS, LIMITING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND EXPENDITURES, AND LAMENTING THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. AGAIN, JUST TO GO BACK WHEN WE ADJUST THE DATA ANALYSIS, WE WERE AT THAT HIGH PROJECTION, NOW WE ARE AT THE MINIMUM MEDIA PRODUCTION WHICH IS RELATIVELY CONSERVATIVE . WE DO HAVE TO IDENTIFY HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT IN THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN. JOY ARTICULATED THIS ELOQUENTLY. OUR THOUGHT IS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THIS TO THE DENSITY INCREASES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY THROUGH INCENTIVES AND THEN PRIORITIZING THE INFILL AREAS.

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WE HAVE TO STILL TRANSMIT THIS TO THE STATE AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT BUT WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET OVER THAT HURDLE. ANYTHING ELSE ? I THINK THAT'S IT. WE HAVE THIS OVERVIEW SLIDE, JUST IN CASE, AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT POLICIES, THIS IS JUST A REMINDER AND WHY WE MADE CERTAIN CHANGES. SO, WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION

. >> THANK YOU. MIKE ROBINSON DIRECTED DIRECTION OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT WE HEARD FROM THE LAST MEETING, THEY MENTIONED SOME OF THE CORE ONES, THE HEIGHT, THE MOVEMENT , I REMEMBER THERE WAS A LADY WHO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HISTORIC ARTIFACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THOSE ARE GOING TO REMAIN WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. THEY WERE JUST GOING TO BE MOVED, BUT WE DID HEAR YOU ON THAT IS BEST -- THAT'S WHAT WE COMPLETED LAST NIGHT AND AGAIN THE IDEA IS AND I THINK JOYCE POINT IS, WE HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, WE MADE THOSE CHANGES FOR THE COMMISSION TO LOOK INTO, IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS, PLEASE VOICE THEM NOW. WE WILL TRY AND ANSWER THEM, THE IDEA IS TO GET GOOD DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AT THIS MEETING, SO WE CAN TAKE THAT, HAVE A GOOD GREEN LINE AND TAKE THAT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND GET THEIR PROFESSIONAL FEEDBACK FOR YOU ALL, WHEN WE COME BACK TO TRANSMIT ON THE JULY MEETING, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THERE. AND GET THE TRANSMITTAL, AND A GOOD POINT THAT JOY BROUGHT UP, AND I TALKED TO THE STATE OFFICIALS ABOUT THIS , SHOULD SOMETHING POP UP, SUBSEQUENT TO WHEN WE TRANSMIT, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT, WE CAN ADD NEW THINGS AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAY NOT BECAUSE THERE'S A TRANSMITTAL DATE, BUT WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES, YOU ALL CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES AT THAT POINT, SO AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING FOR

DIRECTION. THANK YOU. >>

>> BACK TO THE BOARD, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT

TO DISCUSS ANYTHING? >> I HAVE A COMMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN YOU SHOW ME, I JUST HAD A QUESTION, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY, REGARDING THE RULES WITH ROADS, SO RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THE ROAD IS ALREADY CROWDED, WE CAN DENY IT, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT IF IT'S IN THE COMPAQ?

>> YOU ARE ASKING IF THERE IS ANY PARTICULAR POLICY THAT SAYS

YOU CAN DENY BOND EFFICIENCY? >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE NOW AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, YOU ARE GOING TO REMOVE IT BACK TO THE COMP PLAN. SO CAN YOU JUST SHOW ME WHERE THAT

WOULD BE? >> SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THAT GREENLINE. IF YOU HAVE THE POLICY NUMBER, THAT WOULD BE

GREAT. >> THERE'S PAGE 14, 17, 18. I

DIDN'T SEE IT. >> WE ARE NOT IN A RUSH, WE CAN

JUST TAKE OUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT HAD BEEN PUT BACK INTO THE COMP PLAN.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON THE ACTUAL ELEMENT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ELEMENT A, ALPHA? LAND-USE OR IS IT TRANSPORTATION?

>> YOU KNOW THE ROADS ARE TOO CROWDED.

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>> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ALLUDING TO IS A .13 11, THAT WE DIDN'T REMOVE IT, IT'S IN THERE ON COMPATIBILITY AND WITH THE BOARD OFTEN USES FOR DETERMINATION ON WHETHER A COMP PLAN OR REZONING IS WORTH IT. SO NO, THAT'S ALL IN THERE. WE HAVE NOT REMOVE THAT IN THERE. IF YOU DON'T SEE IT --

>> I DID NOT SEE IT. IF THE ROAD IS OVER CAPACITY, THE ROAD MUST

BE DENIED. THAT'S NOT IN THERE. >> OKAY, I DON'T REMEMBER THOSE EXACT WORDS. I REMEMBER IT TALKS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS SUCH AS NUISANCES, SUCH AS SAFETY AND A LOT OF THOSE THINGS. SO WE DIDN'T MESS WITH OR ADJUST THAT, SO THAT IS ALL THERE. SO IF IT HAPPENS NOT TO BE IN THERE. SO IT'S A 134 SEE. IT'S ALL IN THERE WITH NO GREENLINE THROUGH IT. THAT WOULD BE PAGE

5. >> OH, I DO SEE IT.

>> I SEE IT. >> PAGE 5.

>> OKAY, I'M ON PAGE 5. >> THERE'S ALSO A 131 WHICH

TOUCHES ON THE SYSTEM. >> I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU SHOW

IT UP ON THE SCREEN? >> THANK YOU.

>> A 131. >> A 131, CORRECT.

>> HEY, MIKE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT THE COUNTY CONCURRENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS WHAT TELLS US WHAT CAN BE APPROVED AND NOT APPROVED, BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF USAGE OF THE ROAD, IS THAT RIGHT? A 131, IT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT BUT IS THAT WHAT IT'S INFERRING TO?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, THE CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS WHAT WE USE THROUGH CODE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE STATUTE, SO THAT ONLY SAYS THAT IF THAT LAND-USE IS THERE, GOOD PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE THAT WE'VE ADOPTED, IF A PROJECT IS IT SHARE, THEY'VE MITIGATED FOR THEIR TRAFFIC, SO WHEN IT'S ALREADY THERE FOR THE ZONING WHERE'S THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN IS LOOKING AT THE LAND-USE. SO I WOULD DEFER BUT I BELIEVE THAT STILL AFFORDS YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT DUE TO THE INCREASING TRAFFIC THAT IS CHANGING, YOU COULD STILL DENY IT BECAUSE OF THAT REASON FOR THAT COMPATIBILITY BASED OFF THE INCREASING TRAFFIC. THAT SITS OUTSIDE OF THAT AND THAT'S FOR ENFORCEMENT OF PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> NO, I GET IT, THEY HAVE TO PAY, IF THEY ARE GOING TO MEET OR EXCEED 100%, THEY HAVE TO PAY A CONCURRENCY FEE BECAUSE IT IS

RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? >> THAT CAPACITY

WHICH YOU COULD DENY FOR? >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR?

>> REGARDING THE DENSITY WITH THE DENSITY BONUS, AND THE AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING, UNDERSTAND THAT'S A YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE USED THE DENSITY.

IS THERE A WAY -- I'M ALL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT I THINK THE NUMBER OF YEARS THAT IT CAN ACTUALLY BE

EXTENDED. >> BELIEVE WE'VE EXTENDED THAT UP TO 10 YEARS. DID WE NOT INCLUDE A YEAR MOVEMENT?

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>> SO THE DENSITY AGAIN, BROUGHT UP THE DENSITY , THEY'RE GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME AND FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU COME IN AND YOU ARE GOING TO PROVIDE MISSING MIDDLE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WHATEVER WANT TO CALL IT BUT SOME SORT OF HOUSING THAT WILL HELP, YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL DENSITY. YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE -- MEAN THE BOARD CAN CHANGE THAT IF YOU LIKE TO

-- >> UNDERWEAR NEEDS TO BE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT INCREASING DENSITY AND IN A FEW YEARS WE ARE BACK TO WHERE WE ARE NO

BETTER OFF THAN WE WERE. >> IT STARTS TO GET INTO DETAILS LIKE YOU CAN SAY STAFF COME BACK -- JUST AN

OPTION TO CONSIDER. >> SHOW ME WHERE THE 35

FOOT HIGH IN IT? >> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED ABOUT

THAT. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> WAS GOING

>>> A 127. >> THERE'S NO --

>> YEAH. IF YOU GO TO THE VERY TOP OF PAGE 5 IT SAYS INCREASE

UP TO 85 FEET. >> I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

>> IT'S C. >> ARE YOU ON THE GREENLINE, BECAUSE BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE H TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

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>> IF I AM A, EXPAND ON THAT, A.ONE.TO, BUILDING HEIGHT, THAT DOESN'T LIMIT IN THE FUTURE, IF IT'S DEEMED POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTY TO CHANGE THE HEIGHT, WE COULD DO SO AT OUR EXPRESSION,

THAT'S CORRECT. >> IT'S UP TO OUR DISCRETION.

>> I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO REMOVING THAT. UNDER THE

CIRCUMSTANCES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> MR. DOHERTY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT SOMEBODY COULD BUILD TWO UNDER THE PROPOSED GREENLINE?

>> >> IT WOULD MAINTAIN THE CURRENT MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 35 SO EVEN WITH DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES UNDER THIS PROPOSED GREENLINE, DOES IT REMAIN AT 35 FEET?

>> I THINK IT'S 40 . RIGHT? 40. OR 35.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, JACOB SMITH, FOR THE RECORD. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS THE STANDARDS FOR HEIGHT REGULATIONS IN THIS COUNTY AND THOSE REGULATIONS DEPEND ON THE ZONING DISTRICT THEY ARE IN. SO TRADITIONALLY A DISTRICT HAS A 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT.'S MOTHER ZONING DISTRICTS CAN GO UP TO ABOUT 60 FEET. AND THEN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT MAY COME IN AND ASK FOR REALISTICALLY, ANY HEIGHT RESTRICTION THAT THEY WANT AS PART OF THE PACKAGE. SO IT CAN BE VARIABLE.

>> HOW WOULD REMOVING HEIGHT FROM A ONE, 27, AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ON POD OR DISTRICTS?

>> IT WOULD HAVE A VERY LIMITED EFFECT.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

>> SO WE JUST LEAVE IT IN? >> LEAVE IT IN?

>> >> OKAY, WE CAN TAKE OUT THAT, IF EVERYONE AGREES TO THAT. GOOD. SO JUST THAT TERM. AND IF YOU GO TO PAGE 5, THAT'S ALL BACK, THAT WASN'T IN THERE BEFORE, PAGE 7 IS BACK, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BACK, WHICH IS GREAT, PAGE 8, THAT IS BACK. A DISCUSSION ON PAGE 11, I NOTED, THAT IS A ONE 415. THERE'S ALL THE NEW RED RIGHT THERE. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO SEE THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY. I THOUGHT MAYBE, IT SAYS SHALL PROVIDE IN ONE 415, COULD YOU SAY CONSIDER OR TRY? INSTEAD OF PROVIDE, WHICH WOULD BE ABSOLUTE, IS THERE ANY WAY TO SAY CONSIDER OR TRY.

>> OR ENCOURAGE. >> OR ENCOURAGE. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS DOABLE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A SMALLER, YOU KNOW, A 50 ACRE SITE AND YOU LOOK AT SETBACKS, AND THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ROOM TO ABSOLUTELY PUT THREE TYPES OF HOUSING. IT WOULD BE PRUDENT OF US TO CHANGE THE WORDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT SOMETHING ON SOMEBODY'S LAND THAT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ALSO

CHANGING THAT. >> ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT, ENCOURAGE? > ENCOURAGE, MS. TAYLOR? SO YOU'VE GOT THAT. THE LAST, I ONLY HAVE ONE MORE DISCUSSION ITEM, WOW. A ONE, 1110. IT SAYS THE COUNTY SHALL ESTABLISH A MIXED USED IN ITS DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT USED TO BE INVESTIGATE.

CAN WE MAKE IT CONSIDER AND SET OF ESTABLIH? ON PAGE 24, SORRY.

THE WORD INVESTIGATE WAS RAISED AND IT HAS ESTABLISHED, CAN YOU DO CONSIDER INSTEAD OF ESTABLISH? COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU, WHAT IS YOUR

OBJECTION TO OR ESTABLISH? >> I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT IS PERMANENT, AND IT USED TO BE INVESTIGATE, AND WE COULD JUMP RIGHT TO ESTABLISH, I JUST THOUGHT, CONSIDER. OR WHAT WAS THE OTHER TERM WE USED? ENCOURAGED?

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>> MISS ROBERTSON, WE HAVE A MIXED ZONE DISTRICT AS IT STANDS GREENLINE ARE WE ATTEMPTING TO REMOVE THAT AS ONE OF THE

OPTIONS? >> NO, I THINK THE IDEA BEHIND THIS WAS AGAIN, FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER BUT WE HAVE A MIXED-USE LANDS USE. I WILL CALL IT PIECEMEAL FOR A BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE THIS WITH A BUNCH OF THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

IT'S JUST A WAY FOR IT TO ALIGN, IF YOU FEEL THAT'S

APPROPRIATE? >> FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT SEEMS THAT WE ARE BRINGING IN THIS INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE FUTURE USE. IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR PLANNERS.

>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. >> BASICALLY, I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH THIS, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEND THIS TO THE PZA THE WAY IT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE HAS HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THE

WHOLE THING. >> I AGREE. I'M READY.

>> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE IT FORWARD?

>> I AGREE. >> DO WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT OR IS THAT IT OR? PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE .

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR, I PUT A MEMO IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE A DESIGNATED SPEAKER.

>> YOU ARE CORRECT, SORRY. >> I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE A DESIGNATED SPEAKER, BOB, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST?

>> BOB PORTER RACETRACK ROAD. I'LL BE QUICK. I JUST WANTED TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE EXISTING WORKFORCE IN OUR RAVENSWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE, WE'VE GOT 100 PEOPLE WHO ARE TEACHERS, HEALTHCARE WORKERS, FIRST RESPONDERS. THE GROUP HAS BEEN TARGETED. IT'S WORKING, HAVE NOT SEEMED TO UNDERSTAND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS SO I DIDN'T SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING.

I GET THAT BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS NOT MAKING A BIG CHANGE IN THAT.

AND I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY THE REASON WE HAVE THE TWO YEARS AND SET OF FIVE OR 10 WAS SO THAT IF WE GET A RESIDENT WHO IS A SAILOR AND HE GETS TRANSFERRED, HE CAN SELL HIS HOUSE WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER HE CAN FIND A QUALIFYING BUYER. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE ON THAT WORKS, AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO TRY NOT TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE BETH

AND WE WILL PUT 10 MINUTES. >> BETH BREEDING, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, 1368 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. AND I WON'T NEED ALL 10, YOU HAVE MADE AMAZING CHANGES AND I WAS ABLE TO SCRATCH STUFF OFF MY LIST. WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK WE'VE TAKEN SOME STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE ARE MOST APPRECIATIVE. IF WE WANT TO DISCOURAGE SEPTIC TANKS WHICH I KNOW WE ALL DO, THEN WE HAVE TO ALLOW UTILITY EXTENSION AND IT SEEMED TO ME SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE ADDED IN DIDN'T WANT ANY UTILITY EXTENSION, SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I ALSO WANT TO SAY, I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT CONSERVATION IS TO THIS COUNTY AND TO THE RESIDENCE, AND I THINK WE ARE DOING A DISSERVICE BY NOT MAKING CHANGES TO THE MAP. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ADDING DEVELOPMENT AREAS, JUST THE SIMPLE THINGS LIKE THE COUNTY, THE MITIGATION BANKS THAT RUN FROM 216 AND 208, THEY ARE STILL LISTED AS RURAL CULTURE, THEY ARE UNDER, WHY DON'T WE CORRECT THAT MAP TO REFLECT SO THAT WHEN THE CITIZENS LOOK AT THE MAPS, THEY CAN SEE IT'S CONSERVATION, IT'S NOT CULTURE, JUST SOME SIMPLE CLEANUP, I WILL CAL IT THAT. AND A 123, I DIDN'T GET TO SEE THE GREENLINE SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WENT AWAY BUT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF 40% OPEN SPACE AND THAT IS A LAND TAKING. I THINK THE 40% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. IN THE REDLINE A 127, IT TALKS ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE, AND THERE WAS NO DEFINITION. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEFINITION AS A FOLLOW-UP INSTEAD OF A TERM THAT'S JUST THROWN OUT THERE. AND IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR 21 10, BACK WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS 17 1/2 FEET PER SIDE FOR THE

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35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND STAFF STARTED TAKING A DIFFERENT OPINION OF IT A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER AND IT'S 35 AND 35 WITH A TOTAL OF 70 BUT IF YOU ARE INSIDE OF THE LARGE PUD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY BOUNDARY AT ALL. SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN AND THE INTERPRETATION THAT WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN AND WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THERE'S NO NEED, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS THAT ARE UP AGAINST EACH OTHER, THEY'RE BOTH COMMERCIAL, TO DRIVE THROUGH'S, WHY THEY NEED A 70 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THEM, THE CODE SAYS 35, IT SHOULD BE 35 IN TOTAL. E144 AND F-22, TALKING ABOUT THE REGULATION OF WETLANDS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE ARMY CORPS DOING THAT. I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WANTS TO SPEND ADDITIONAL WETLANDS THE STUFF WHEN THE STATE WILL OVERRIDE IT ANYWAY. I THINK LET'S LET THE STATE KEEP THAT, AND I118, IF YOU DON'T ALLOW FOR THE COMBINING OF FUNDS FOR LARGER PROJECTS , THEN ENOUGH MONEY IS NEVER COLLECTED TO OVERCOME PRICE HIKES AND NO PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS WHY THE ROAD SYSTEM IS IN SUCH DISARRAY, KEEPING THE MONEY IN SEPARATE POCKETS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S WHY WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND IN INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS DONE IN THE PAST. AND I167 , WHY CAN'T THE FUNDS BE USED TO FUND EXISTING ROAD DEFICIENCIES WHEN FAIR SHARE IS CALCULATED FOR BUILDERS, WE PAY ON THOSE DEFICIENCIES, SO WHY WOULD YOU STRAP YOURSELF IN, SAYING THESE FUNDS CAN BE USED TO CORRECT EXISTING DEFICIENCIES. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEHIND, THE COUNTY IS ACCIDENTALLY HANDCUFFING THEMSELVES WITH THESE RULES TO PREVENT THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK.

I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I DON'T HAVE MUCH BECAUSE WE CAN SEE ALL OF THIS TOO WELL AND I'M HOPING THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS AGAIN. BUT, I HAVE TWO THOUGHTS, ONE IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO INCENTIVIZE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE WATERING DOWN SOME OF THE WORDS AND IT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO INCENTIVIZE THE BUILDING OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ARE WE REALLY ADDRESSING THAT YET? THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS I REALLY APPRECIATE MS. TAYLOR'S COMMENT ABOUT WE NEED A LONGER DEED RESTRICTION ON WHAT WE PUT IN. I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND LIKE A LOT BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE 30 YEARS. AND I THINK WE CAN HAVE A CARVEOUT FOR MILITARY. THAT SHOULDN'T BE WHAT DIRECTS US ON THIS. THEY DO CARVEOUTS FOR MILITARY ON RESELLING THEIR HOMES. SO I THINK THAT, WE COULD FIGURE OUT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO DO THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS IF WE GET THEM DONE, AND THEN LET THEM BE ALMOST FLIPPED, IF WE DON'T HAVE A LONG ENOUGH DEED RESTRICTION. SO, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO BE THOUGHT THROUGH AND I COULDN'T THINK THROUGH IT AS FAST AS Y'ALL WERE GOING THROUGH IT BUT I HOPE WE WILL GIVE THIS , MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT'S JUST AN EASY THING TO PUSH DOWN THE ROAD AND NOT SOLVE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING

ON SOLVING IT. THANK YOU. >> I AGREE, GOOD AFTERNOON. I DON'T THINK THE CARVEOUT SHOULD NECESSARILY BE LIMITED TO THE MILITARY. YOU MIGHT INCLUDE STATE DEPARTMENT, PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR WHO MIGHT BE TRANSFERRED, SAY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, SOMEBODY WHO WORKS FOR HUD OR WHATEVER BUT IF THAT COULD BE FINESSED A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST MILITARY. I WOULD HATE TO HAVE A CODE THAT IS OVER INCLUSIVE OR UNDERINCLUSIVE. I THANK YOU FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. AND I'M LOOKING AT A 15.13 AND 14 AND 15. IS LONG OVERDUE, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE INDEPENDENCE OF THAT PERSON TO MAKE SURE THAT PERSON IS NEVER AGAIN SUBJECTED TO DISCRIMINATION OR ILLEGAL ORDERS BY THAT MAN, MR. ROBERSON. WHAT HE DID TO TREY AS THERE WAS A CRIME, AND IT SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN

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AGAIN. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED AND I LIKE THE USE OF THE WORD OFFICER HBO, THAT PERSON NEEDS TO HAVE INDEPENDENCE INSTEAD OF JUST BEING TREATED AS DIRT. BUT YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB, THANK YOU CHAIR JOSEPH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I THINK WE GOT THIS RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, SCOTT MAYNARD, OAK PLACE. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZES THE DESIGNATION FOR COMMERCIAL AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING SPACE. I KNOW IN TALKING TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, YOU HAVE SAID YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE TAX BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL TAXPAYER, AND ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO PROVIDE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITIES WHICH WILL PROVIDE HIGH-PAYING, HIGH SKILLED JOBS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED LAND DESIGNATED FOR THAT, SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTRACT THOSE INDUSTRIES HERE, TO PROVIDE THE HIGH-PAYING JOBS AND TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE THE TAX BURDEN. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT NORTH OF GRAHAM AND. NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, THEY JUST MAKE PLANES, BUT THEIR TAX BILL COVERS ABOUT 400 RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS . YOU HAVE 10 OF THOSE, THAT'S AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, PLEASE, AS YOU CONSIDER THIS, THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT ON ATTAINABLE HOUSING. WE NEED ABOUT 3000 UNITS IN THIS COUNTY AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, SO THAT IS WELL WELCOMED, ALSO.

ONE FINAL THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BUT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT, IS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER WAYS OF MOBILITY IN THIS COUNTY WHICH WILL AGAIN, HELP WITH TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION. THANK

YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WITH

PUBLIC COMMENT? >>

>> HELLO COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS DAVID UNGER AND I LIVE IN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE AND I GUESS MY COMMENTS, I THINK THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN IS IMPORTANT. IT ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF THE RAGS THAT I WORKED WITH AT USDA TEA. IT'S A GOOD START BUT IT'S A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT THINGS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU, I'VE SENT A COUPLE OF EMAIL'S, KIND OF POINTING YOU TO SOME NATIONAL SUCCESS, AT LEAST ONE COMMUNITY, CARMEL, INDIANA, WHERE THEY HAVE BEHIND THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN THEY'VE HAD THE VISION OF LEADERSHIP TO CREATE PLACES THAT YOU KNOW, OUR JEWELS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY DRAW PEOPLE, IT'S MORE THAN JUST A PARK, IT'S KIND OF A MIX, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT BUT IT'S KIND OF A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, BIKE PATHS, EVEN SOME YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY RECREATION TYPE AREAS . I GUESS I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES. I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOUR PLANNERS ABOUT THIS. IT'S MORE THAN THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN. IT IS THE VISION OF THIS GROUP TO TAKE PLACES LIKE SAYING THE AMPHITHEATER, OR THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE AND DEVELOP THEM INTO MORE OF A PLACE, PLACES THAT CAN BE CONNECTED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKING FACILITIES AND THEY CAN BE A PLACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY COMES AND ENJOYS FAMILY TIME AS WELL AS JUST BUILDS PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PLACES. I THINK IF YOU'VE SEEN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, YOU KNOW KIND OF THE POND, I MEAN ACTUALLY I GUESS YOU GUYS ON THE CONFERENCE CENTER, RIGHT? AND SO, THERE IS A JEWEL THERE, AS AN EXAMPLE, AND I KNOW IT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR SOME DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER NATURAL COMMUNITIES TO TAKE THE LEADERSHIP TO PUSH BEYOND A HIGH LEVEL PLAN, TO DEVELOP PLACES WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT WILL BE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN CONGREGATE AND DRAW PRIDE IN THE WAY THEY ARE DONE, AND THE TRANSPORTATION, I GUESS I WILL AND WITH THAT, IT WILL END WITH

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THAT, TRANSPORTATION THAT LIMITS THE ACCESS. IT'S A MODERN APPROACH TO TRANSPORTATION AS OPPOSED TO MORE LANES, IT'S MORE ABOUT TRYING TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC MORE EFFECTIVELY TO THINGS LIKE ROUNDABOUTS, PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, TO CONNECT THEM. THE WHOLE CONCEPT I WOULD CALL LIVABILITY OR SMALL GROWTH. AND I BELIEVE THE STAFF IS VERY WELL AWARE OF THIS. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE LIKE A HIGHER-LEVEL LEADERSHIP TOWARD THIS KIND OF THING.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS JOE RYAN, 699 STANDISH DRIVE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD LANGUAGE TO THE ENCOURAGING PARKS AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACES, TO PRIORITIZE AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO SUCH FACILITIES NEARBY. AS YOU KNOW MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN RECREATIONAL AREAS AND PUTTING A PARK NEAR THERE OR RIGHT THERE, WHEN WE HAVE LIMITED FUNDS, SHOULD BE ON THE BACK BURNER IF THE RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE PARKS. THERE'S PLACES THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND THEY CANNOT TAKE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS EASILY AS THEY WOULD A PUBLIC PARK THAT'S IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WOULD LIKE SOME LANGUAGE TO ENCOURAGE THE PARTS TO BE IN AREAS WHERE NONE EXIST AT THIS MOMENT.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> CINDY LONG, KILDEE COVE.

FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE SJC COMMUNITY 101 CLASS. MYSELF AND A HANDFUL OF OTHERS WERE ACTUALLY , WE ATTENDED EVERY SINGLE ONE AND I WAS ONE OF THEM. AND I LEARNED SO MUCH OF WHAT OUR COUNTY IS DOING AND HOW THEY REALLY WANT TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT WORK. AND SO, I DO WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE COMP PLAN WHERE I DID SPEAK ABOUT THE PARAGRAPH THAT SAID THAT IF ANY HISTORICAL EVIDENCE WAS FOUND ON PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT THEY NEEDED TO CEASE ANY OTHER WORK ON THAT PROPERTY. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THAT IN, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT THE CREEKS USE TO LIVE IN PICK A LOT OF AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE MUSKOGEE CREEK NATION. ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE FOUND COULD POSSIBLY BE RELATED TO ME. SO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THIS IN THE COMP PLAN.

BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE REALIZE A LOT OF NATIVE AMERICANS THAT USED TO LIVE IN FLORIDA ARE NO LONGER HERE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF US WHO ARE ALIVE AND HAVE SURVIVED AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO KEEP ANY OF THE ARTIFACTS OR HUMAN REMAINS THAT MIGHT BE FOUND ON ANY OF THE PROPERTY. THAT THEY BE PROPERLY REPATRIATED BACK TO OUR

HOMELAND. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THEM, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS AT ALL? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR?

>> YES, I WOULD LOVE TO. >> I WILL GO TO YOU NEXT.

>> GO AHEAD. >> OH NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS BE LONGER, SO THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING A BAD PROBLEM EVEN WORSE. SO I'M VERY

SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> ON THE TOPIC OF DEED RESTRICTED, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WE CAN DO A CARVEOUT FOR MILITARY AND WE CAN DO A CARVEOUT FOR FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICERS BUT THERE'S ALSO PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANIES LIKE CHASE BANK THAT COMES TO MIND THAT ARE AGGRESSIVELY EXPANDING INTO FLORIDA, THEY OFTEN PROMOTE FROM BANK BRANCHES TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. I'VE MET

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PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR CHASE THAT COME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

SO SOMEBODY FOR INSTANCE THAT THEY WORK FOR A COMPANY LIKE CHASE AND THEY GET PROMOTED TO A BRANCH IN ATLANTA AND THEY HAVE DEED RESTRICTION ON THEIR TOWNHOUSE, I MEAN, WHAT DO THEY DO, THAT PUTS THEM IN A TOUGH SPOT, TOO. IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, TALKING ABOUT JUST THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, THEY NEED SOME FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY.

>> WOULDN'T THEY SELL IT FOR THE SAME THING THEY BOUGHT IT FOR, IS THAT IT? I MEAN, I KNOW THEY DO THAT IN LIKE VAIL OR ASPEN BECAUSE IT ALWAYS STAYS WITHIN, SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT. I MEAN I COULD SEE THE MILITARY .

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> I THINK IF YOU ARE MOVING, YOU INCUR EXPENSES, IF YOU'RE MOVING TO A LARGER MARKET, THE HOMES THERE COST MORE THAN THE HOMES HERE. IT LIMITS THEIR UPWARD MOBILITY. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

>> ALTHOUGH WITH THE HOMES NOW, WE ARE GOING DOWN. IT'S A BUYERS MARKET, EVERYONE. COMMISSIONER MURPHY?

>> THANK YOU. SO, I LIKE THE IDEA OF CARVEOUTS BUT 30 YEARS, TO ME, EXCLUDES A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE WORKFORCE FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FLEXIBILITY. I WOULD FEEL BETTER WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE CLOSER TO 10 YEARS. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE CARVEOUTS. WE CAN DO CARVEOUTS FOR THE MILITARY. MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS TO WHERE SOMEONE CAN APPLY FOR A CARVEOUT UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT JUST TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON YOUR HOUSE FOR A FEW YEARS, IT ALMOST DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. AND SO, IF WE HAVE A CARVEOUT PROCESS OR AN APPLICATION THEY CAN GO THROUGH UNDER UNFORESEEABLE CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE A DEATH OR A TRANSFER OR WHATEVER, I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECTWHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITHOUT MAKING IT WORSE, HERE, WE ARE FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU, THE STATE THROWS THESE BANK -- BLANKET LAWS OVER US AS COUNTIES AND THEY ARE NOT GOOD FOR US SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE USE THE CARVEOUTS AND HOW LONG WE EXTEND THIS. EVERYBODY IS MOVING AROUND ALL THE TIME, AND OUR JOB FORCES NOT LIKE IT USED TO WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP, WE WORK AT ONE JOB FOR 30 YEARS, THINGS ARE CHANGING, SO WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE.

>> SO CAN WE AGREE TO 10? >> I JUST -- SORRY.

>> WITH THE CARVEOUT. >> YEAH, I CAN AGREE WITH 10.

WITH AN APPLICATION. >> BECAUSE TWO IS RIDICULOUS. WE

ARE JUST GOING TO FLIP IT. >> NOT ALWAYS.

>> 10, WITH THE CARVEOUT. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT.

>> AND I JUST -- >> NO, WITH A CARVEOUT, ARE YOU

GOOD COMMISSIONER WHITE HOUSE? >> YEAH.

>> YES, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF WE WERE TO INCREASE DENSITY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT IS IT, 20%, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW?

>> WHEN IT COMES TO WORKFORCE HOUSING ?

>> YES, OKAY, GOTCHA. >> 40%.

>> 30%. >> 40, YEAH.

>> 40% OF THE TOTAL WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE WORKFORCE IF YOU

DID A WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONE. >> OKAY, 40%. OKAY.

>> MADAM CHAIR, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, THIS IS GOING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. JUST KNOW THAT YOU CAN GET THEIR

FEEDBACK ON THAT, TOO. >> IF WE HAVE CONSENT TO 10 YEARS, LET'S DO THAT. WITH THE CARVEOUT. THANK YOU, MIKE,

SORRY. >> SO, THROUGH THE CHAIR, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CARVEOUT, IS THERE A CERTAIN, WHAT ARE WE

LOOKING DRESS -- >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THAT. WHAT WITH THE CARVEOUT BE?

>> MICROPHONE, SIR. >> WE COULD DO THE CARVEOUT FOR MILITARY BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS AN APPLICATION FOR SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A CARVEOUT UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY CAN QUALIFY TO SELL AHEAD OF THE TEN-YEAR MARK SUCH AS A TRANSFER FROM A JOB.

>> UNDERSTOOD, AND IF THAT WOULD BE IN THE PLAN, WE WOULD NEED THAT MORE CLEARLY SPELLED OUT, GENERALLY THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION WOULD GO IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO WE CAN PUT THE 10 YEARS IN THE COMP PLAN BUT WE COULD DEFINE IT AS

BEST LEFT FOR THE LDC. >> SOUNDS GOOD.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> IT'S GOOD FOR ME.

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>> OH, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> NO, I'M WAITING IN THE QUEUE. I'M GOOD WITH IT.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? I'M GOOD WITH THAT, I JUST HAD A

QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. >> I KNOW IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE TO DO THIS BUT I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY AFTER THE INCREDIBLE UNVEILING OF THE HASTINGS ART MURAL. IS THERE ANYWAY WE COULD APPROVE SOMETHING, SOME SORT OF PROVISION FOR ART IN PUBLIC

SPACES? >> I LIKE THAT.

>> JUST SOMETHING SOFT. >>

>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YOU COULD PUT THAT IN AS YOUR COMPETENCE A PLAN, YOU COULD PUT IT IN THERE. IN AN ART AND PUBLIC REALM, I WOULD SAY DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO STRUCTURE IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LIKE PEOPLE PROVIDING PUBLIC ART FOR INCENTIVE, MAYBE IT'S MORE IN THE HISTORIC ELEMENT SO IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD INVESTIGATE .

>> AND FIND THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT BUT I FORGOT.

I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. IS THIS THE TIME THAT IF WE WANTED TO EXTEND THAT BECAUSE WHY SHOULD ONLY PART OF THE COUNTY I THINK SHE SAID IT WAS A 1210. CAN WE

DO THAT -- >> THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PLAN IS PART OF IT, SO YOU CAN SUGGEST ANY CHANGES TO THAT.

>> >> I AM, ARE YOU GUYS?

>> IT HAS PROVEN TO BE DIFFICULT.

>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH THAT.

>> DO YOU NEED A SUMMARY FOR EVERYBODY?

>> IF YOU COULD DO A SUMMARY. I HEAR ALL THE TIME, WHY IS IT ONLY ONE PART OF THE COUNTY, WHY CAN'T THE ENTIRE COUNTY HAVE

THAT? >> THE NORTHWEST SECTOR HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR BUFFERS THAT ARE MORE STRINGENT THAN THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNTY, THE NORTHWEST SECTOR IS COUNTY ROUTE 208 AND 95 AND EVERYTHING IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE COUNTY. SO IT'S BASICALLY AN OVERLAY AND IT REQUIRES WHAT'S CALLED SCENIC EDGES, A LARGE BUFFER, WHICH IS 75 FEET AND 30 FEET DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF USE IS THERE AND A DEVELOPMENT EDGE WHICH GOES ALONG SO, THOSE ARE UNIQUE WHEREAS THE OTHER PART OF THE COUNTY, THE THREE QUARTERS OF THE COUNTY REQUIRES WHAT'S CALLED COMPATIBILITY BUFFERS . THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BASED ON THE USES THAT ARE THERE. SO THAT'S THE STANDARD TO CONSIDER. WHAT I THINK MR. TAYLOR IS SUGGESTING IS CONSIDER THOSE LARGER BUFFERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNTY. IF I'M

CORRECT? >> BECAUSE NOT ALL OF US LIVE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF THE COUNTY.

>> IS THERE ANY THERE ANY WAY TO DETERMINE YOU KNOW IF IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT BUT CAN YOU MAKE A SUGGESTION OR A POSSIBILITY IN THE COUNTY OR MAY BE THEY GET, MAYBE IF YOU DO THAT, YOU GET AN INCENTIVE, I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK OF YOU HAVE SOMETHING COMING IN THROUGH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY CERTAINLY FOR THE BOARD TO ASK FOR MORE BUFFERS, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. THAT IS ONE ASPECT. IF IT WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE LIKE YOU WOULD GIVE US DIRECTION, TO MAKE DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS ON MORE STRINGENT BUFFERS. AGAIN, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT FLY.

>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY. >> IF I MAY, JUST FOR PUD, OR?

>> THIS WOULD BE REALLY FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE COMING IN NEW, SO IT WOULD BE THE 50 ACRES THAT WOULD BE FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR FOR SMALL LOTS WITHIN, IF IT ONLY HAS 500 FEET OF DEPTH, THEN YOU CAN GET A REDUCTION IN THE SCENIC EDGE.

>> GOOD BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR ROADWAYS, RIGHT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE AREAS IN THE COUNTY, A MAJOR ROADWAY CAN BE A TWO LANE ROAD WHERE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED ON FOR GENERATIONS AND IF THEY WANT TO SPLIT FF A PIECE AND HAVE A CHILD, BUILD A HOUSE FOR THEIR KID, WE DON'T WANT TO EVOKE THE NORTHWEST SECTOR BUFFERS FOR ALL OF THAT.

>> TO BE CLEAR, DESPITE THAT THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR SOME

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REDUCTION IN THERE, THERE'S NO QUESTION THOSE ARE LARGE BUFFERS AND THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME EFFECT ON THE AVAILABILITY

OF LAND. >> I WOULD GET SCANNED IN MY

DISTRICT IF I DID THAT, SORRY. >> ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE?

>> I'VE JUST GOT SOME QUESTIONS BASED ON SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HEARD. THE MANUFACTURERS, FOR YEARS, I MEAN, I THOUGHT HIS EXAMPLE WAS FANTASTIC. WE HAVE ONE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACT, NORTH OF GRAUMAN ESSENTIALLY PAYING FOR 40 HOMES AND IF WE HAD 10 OF THOSE, IT COULD PAY FOR 4000 HOMES, OR 400 HOMES AND ON AND ON AND ON. WE DISCUSSED THAT YEARS AGO, WHEN WE REWROTE THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM SPEARHEADED BY MS. ANDREWS TO ATTRACT THE PGA GLOBAL BROADCASTING HEADQUARTERS, IT WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH ON THE BOARD THAT THERE WOULD BE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BUT WE WOULD GET BACK A MULTIBILLION-DOLLAR IMPACT, ANY PLANNER, PLANNING 101 WOULD TELL YOU COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES PROVIDED SO WE'VE ALL LEARNED THAT IN OUR PLANNING, WHY HAVEN'T WE CONTEMPLATED A ECONOMIC ZONE IN THE COMP PLAN?

>> I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAVEN'T, I WOULD SAY THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CONTEMPLATE IT . MAC OKAY MR. ROBERTS, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN MYSELF FOR NOT HAVING CONSIDERED THAT LONG BEFORE WE GOT HERE BUT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE ARE WAY OUT OF BALANCE, IT'S A FACT, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY, COMMERCIAL PAYS FOR THE FIRE SHARE OF WROTE, THEY PAY TAXES WITHOUT DEMANDING A LOT OF SERVICES. IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO HAVE A MANUFACTURING ZONE THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON IS AWAY FROM FOLKS WHO DON'T WANT TO BE DISTURBED BY IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE COULD GAIN THE TAX BENEFITS FROM THAT.

>> ME PERSONALLY, AND MY CONSTITUENTS, AND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT. BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE

[2. Board Discussion regarding the terms of the County Administrator's Contract. At the May 20, 2025, BCC meeting, the Board received consensus to place the County Administrator's contract on the next agenda as a discussion item. ]

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FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH. THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

>> WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

>> MR. KOMANDO, RIGHT? >> SO THIS WAS THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO HAVE MS. ANDERS CONTRACT PUT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR THAT TO BE

BROUGHT UP. >> MADAM CHAIR IF I MAY, I DID ASK FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM. GIVEN THIS MORNING'S OUTPOURING OF POSITIVE SUPPORT, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS FOR THE REASONS WE BROUGHT THIS UP BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE MS. ANDREWS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE APPLICATION TO PALM BEACH COUNTY AT THE LAST COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING IT WAS ALMOST

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10:00 AT NIGHT. AND I WANTED TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE LIGHT OF DAY SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, IF YOU WOULD JUST RESTATE THE REASONS FOR WHY HE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO APPLY TO PALM BEACH COUNTY AND I MAY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AFTER THAT.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, AND I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND IT WAS VERY OVERWHELMING THIS MORNING, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY CAME AND UPLIFTED NOT JUST ME BUT THE ENTIRE STAFF, AND THAT WAS INCREDIBLE. WITHOUT SPENDING MORE TIME TODAY I WILL BE VERY SHORT ABOUT REITERATING WHAT I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS NOT ABLE TO BE A PART OF IT SO I'M HAPPY TO REITERATE ESSENTIALLY, I APPLIED FOR THE PALM BEACH COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION AND IT WAS THE LAST FIVE DAYS OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS OPEN AND HE CAME TO MY ATTENTION, AND GIVEN THE VIABILITY OF MY JOB AND HOW LONG I CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE IN MY CURRENT ROLE BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM THE BOARD, AND UNDERSTANDING AS A SINGLE MOM, MY MOST IMPORTANT JOB FOR PROVIDING MY CHILDREN, I DID APPLY FOR THE JOB WITH PALM BEACH, WITH A LOT OF HESITATION AND FEELING REALLY WEIRD ABOUT IT. I THINK TWO DAYS AFTER MY APPLICATION MY NAME WAS NAMED AMONG THREE PEOPLE ON PALM BEACH POST AND I READ ABOUT IT. I HAD MY STAFF, FRIENDS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS READ ABOUT IT, MADE ME FEEL INCREDIBLY SAD ABOUT MY OWN ABILITY TO SHARE THAT THOUGHT WITH THEM BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT ON PAPER, POSTED BY ANOTHER COUNTY. I WITHDREW MY APPLICATION. THANKED PALM BEACH COUNTY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MY NAME OUT OF THE APPLICATION, 228 PEOPLE, BEFORE THEY START THEIR PROCESS WITHOUT WASTING MORE TIME BECAUSE I REALIZED THROUGH THOSE FEW DAYS OF PRETTY TRYING TIME WITH MY KIDS AND YOU KNOW, WHO WERE BORN HERE AND WHO WERE RAISED HERE AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE TO GO TO LIBERTY PINE ACADEMY WHERE THEIR FRIENDS ARE NEIGHBOR WITH A -- WHERE THE NEIGHBORS ARE, THE STAFF THAT I HAVE WORKED, MANY OF THEM, FOR 19 YEARS, WHO ARE NOW MY FAMILY, AND AS ME FOR THEM. SO I MADE A DECISION THAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ABOUT ME OR MY ROLE OR HOW I'M PERFORMING FROM THIS BOARD, MY HOPE IS THAT I COULD AT LEAST SHOW MY COMMITMENT TO MY STAFF, MY CHILDREN, MY COMMUNITY, WHO HAVE SHOWN UP TODAY THAT I'M HERE TO STAY HOWEVER I'M WANTED, IN WHAT ROLE. MY HOPE, TRULY IS THAT YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID ABOUT SALARIES AND LEVERAGING, NONE OF THAT IS TRUE. WHEN I WANTED IS TO HAVE VIABILITY AND STABILITY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE PAST SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT MY SELF AND MY STAFF HAS SO WE CAN GET BACK TO WORK, SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND CARRY OUT THE INITIATIVES THAT WE WORK SO HARD TO START SO THAT WE CAN SEE THROUGH ALL OF THAT. WE ARE WELL INTO HURRICANE SEASON NOW.

SO I AM HOPING THAT MAYBE TODAY IS A DISCUSSION WHERE WE CAN PUT A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS BEHIND US SO WE CAN FOCUS ON DOING WHAT WE ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHICH IS TO SERVE THIS

COUNTY. >> AGAIN, THIS MORNING WAS SO POSITIVE SO I'M GOING TO KEEP MY COMMENTS POSITIVE , BUT I THINK WHEN THERE IS INSTABILITY IN ANY LARGE ORGANIZATION, IT CAN HAVE RIPPLE EFFECTS THAT ARE UNINTENDED, IT CAN AFFECT FUNDING THAT WE ARE GETTING FROM TALLAHASSEE, WASHINGTON, IT CAN HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE STAFF, IT CAN HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE ABILITY OF THE EMPLOYEES TO CARRY OUT THE WILL OF THE BOARD, . WE NEED STABILITY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE NEED TO RESTORE STABILITY AND I'M HOPING THAT TODAY CAN BE A REFERENDUM ON THE UGLY, VICIOUS NATURE OF SOME OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND MRS. SPIEGEL I'M THAT YOU DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO SOCIAL MEDIA. I CAN TELL YOU, YOU ARE BETTER OFF FOR IT BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE

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BEEN SUBJECTED TO SOME OF THE NONSENSE, IT CAN TAKE A TOLL, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IN THE INTEREST OF STABILITY OF THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND JOY ANDREWS CONTRACT BY SIX YEARS SO WE CAN GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS, WE CAN GET BACK TO DOING THE WORK OF THE COUNTY AND SERVING THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY. THAT IS MY MOTION.

>> CAN I JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? YOU WANT TO EXTEND IT SIX YEARS FROM TODAY OR SIX YEARS ADDED ONTO THE END

OF THE EXTENSION? >> MY MOTION IS TO EXTEND TO THE END OF HER CONTRACT SIX YEARS BUT I AM OPEN TO DISCUSSION.

I')M CERTAINLY OPEN TO AMENDING THAT MOTION. AGAIN, I AM JUST TRYING TO GET RID OF THE VOLATILITY AND SMOTHER THE VICIOUS NATURE. SO IF YOU HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION FOR THE TIME THAT WE WOULD EXTEND THE CONTRACT, I AM AMENABLE TO THAT.

I'M NOT FIXED ON SIX YEARS. I'M STICK -- FIXED ON A STABILIZING COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THAT IS MY INTENT.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE JOY WORKING AS HARD AS SHE CAN, SHE'S GETTING BETTER FROM WHAT WAS IT IN JANUARY, THAT I HAD A VOTE OF NO-CONFIDENCE. THE PROBLEM I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE THINGS THAT I SAID THEN HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED, YOU ARE GETTING BETTER. I DON'T THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A SINGLE MOM, I WAS A SINGLE MOM WITH THREE KIDS AND IT WAS A HARD JOB BUT I DIDN'T GO TELL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD ABOUT IT. I JUST WORKED HARDER, SO IN MY OPINION, IF YOU GET THE FCC THING SOLVED AND WE HAVE HURRICANE SEASON COMING, YOU GET THIS COMP PLAN DONE, YOU GET THE TREE CODE DONE, YOU GET THE WORLD GOLFING ON THE RIGHT TRACK, MAY BE IN SEPTEMBER WHEN THESE THINGS ARE FINISHED, I WOULD BE ALL FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS BUT RIGHT NOW, PERFORMANCE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN STABILITY AND STABILITY COMES WITH GOOD PERFORMANCE. SO I AM SORRY, I KNOW, YOU ARE SHAKING YOUR HEAD BUT, I HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE COUNTING ON YOU TO COME THROUGH AND YOU ARE COMING THROUGH, I MEAN JUST TODAY, YOU SHOWED HOW YOU CAN DO THIS. I THINK YOU SHOULD BE PERFORMING FOR WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. FOR THE FUTURE. AND I'M SORRY, I'M JUST NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT BUT I WOULD LOVE TO REVISIT IT WHEN ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY ARE ACCOMPLISHED AND I KNOW WE ARE GETTING THERE. SO, I'M SORRY.

OH, ONE LAST THING, I HATE TO TIE THE FUTURE BOARDS TOO, TO HAVING, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A FOUR TO ONE VOTE TO BE FIRED, THAT'S LIKE THE MOST STABLE THING THAT YOU CAN HAVE, SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO EXTEND ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET SOME OF THESE

THINGS DONE. ANYONE ELSE? >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY?

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND , I WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINE OF EXTENDING THE CONTRACT BY THREE YEARS. I THINK THERE'S STILL A YEAR AND A HALF TO GO AND IF WE EXTENDED BY THREE YEARS IT'LL BE A FOUR-YEAR CONTRACT, I WAS FEELING THAT WOULD BE A FAIR AMOUNT AND GIVE SOME STABILITY GOING FORWARD. BUT, I WOULD

ALLOW. >> I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO REFLECT COMMISSIONER MURPHY'S SUGGESTION OF A THREE-YEAR EXTENSION FROM THE END OF HER EXISTING CONTRACT.

>> THAT WOULD BE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.

>> WE WOULD EXTEND IT BY THREE YEARS.

>> 4 1/2 YEARS. >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A

SECOND. >> I'M TRYING TO SECOND.

>> SO, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A FORMAL SECOND? OKAY.

>> I'M OPEN TO ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY PART OF MS. ANDREWS PERFORMANCE, I'M NOT TRYING TO SHOVE THIS DOWN ANYBODY'S THROAT. I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PREPARE THOSE COMMENTS, THIS

IS OPEN TO DISCUSSION. >> IF I MAY, DURING DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, I CAME IN FIVE MONTHS AGO WITH AN OPEN MIND ABOUT EVERYTHING BECAUSE I WAS BRAND-NEW. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE FOUND IN MY LAST FIVE MONTHS HERE, IS THE SUPPORT FOR JOY THAT WE SAW TODAY, THAT'S ALL I HEAR EVERYWHERE I GO THAT WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE HER, AND SHE IS TOP IN HER FIELD AND TO BORROW A PHRASE FROM SUZANNE, THIS WAS A NO-BRAINER TO ME. IN THE SPIRIT OF OPEN DISCUSSION, I

AM A JOY FAN. >> NOT TO SAY I'M NOT A JOY

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FAN, I HAVE HOPES. AND I LIKE TO SEE WORK, I LIKE TO SEE ETHICS, I'M A MOM OF TWO NAVY SEALS. I LIKE TO SEE THE GOALS ESTABLISHED IN THE GOALS DONE IN RIGHT NOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THE GOALS COMPLETED, I'VE SEEN THEM ON THEIR WAY BUT NOT COMPLETED, THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM, IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL.

THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS, THE WORLD GOLF, THE FCC, THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, THE TREE ORDINANCE. WHEN I SEE THOSE THINGS ACCOMPLISHED, I AM LIKE ALL FOR YOU, AND WE DO WORK TOGETHER GREAT, WHEN WE DO THE AGENDAS AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH JOY. I WANT TO SEE ACCOMPLISHMENT AND REWARD ACCOMPLISHMENT WITH AN INCREASE IN TIME OR SALARY. ANYTHING ELSE, SHOULD WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> JUST ONE MORE THING. I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM , AND I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT IF THESE THINGS WERE NOT ACCOMPLISHED IN A TIMELY MANNER I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT A VOTE OF NO-CONFIDENCE, BUT I FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT IN THE SPIRIT OF MOVING FORWARD, THAT WE ESTABLISH THE FACT THAT WE VALUE OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXTEND THIS CONTRACT BY THREE YEARS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

SO, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF MY COMMENTS.

>> >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REFUTE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID AND CLARIFY, THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM IS CURRENTLY IN THE HANDS OF THE STATE. THERE'S NOTHING MS. ANDREWS CAN DO TO PUSH THAT FORWARD, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE OUR HANDS ARE TIED. SECONDLY, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ARE CALLING NONPERFORMANCE, THIS WOMAN, HAS BEEN PERFORMING HERE, FOR 20 YEARS. AND I THINK THE INCREDIBLE OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT IS A TESTAMENT TO THAT. SO AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE PERCEIVED FAILURES OR PERFORMANCE ISSUES ARE THINGS THAT DO NOT LIE AT THE FEET OF MRS. ANDREWS, FAILURES FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS TO COME FORWARD, IT'S JUST NOT HER FAULT AND I THINK ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD BE

WHERE IT SHOULD BE PUT. >> I NEVER CALLED THEM FAILURES.

I CALLED IT POTENTIAL. I LIKE TO SEE THINGS GET DONE AND I LIKE TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO GET THEM DONE AND REWARD THEM WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED. SHOULD WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> OKAY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO PUBLIC,. GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR, STEP FORWARD. NAME AND ADDRESS?

>> I LIKE GOING OUT OF THE DARK REAL QUICK.

>> THAT'S POWER RIGHT THERE. >> I'M FROM HARVARD DRIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. AND I'VE WRITTEN TO ALL OF YOU, ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS , BACK PROBABLY AROUND 12:40 IN THE MORNING.

WHEN I WROTE IT. AND SO, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT SO MUCH, THAT IT SO IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE GOING AND HOW WE GET THERE. IT'S ALL ABOUT REALLY, THE WAY THAT WE ARE WITH ETHICS, AS YOU MENTIONED COMMISSIONER, AND AS IT RELATES TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE EDUCATION. ALSO REFERS TO THE PERSON WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR 17 YEARS, HELPING THIS COMMUNITY, AND TO BE ABLE TO GO FROM THE OTHERS, I'VE KNOWN ALL OF YOU, I'VE MET EVERYONE OF YOU AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY. IT'S THE COMMUNITY THAT IS SO IMPORTANT HERE, THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO MAKE US TOGETHER, NOT AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. WE'VE GOT TO GET AWAY FROM THAT STAND THAT IS SO BAD WHERE YOU DO HAVE THOSE SOCIAL MEDIAS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT COME INTO THE EFFORT THAT ARE SO TERRIBLE FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT IS AN EASY WAY OUT. AND THERE IS NO EASY WAY OUT.

AND I ALSO SHARE WITH YOU WHERE YOU GO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE DONE WHAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I'M NOT HERE CRITICIZING ANY OF YOU. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, THOUGH, THAT IF THERE ARE SINGLE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO JUST WANT TO GO AFTER SOMEONE , AFTER, AFTER, AND AFTER, THAT'S NOT FAIR. THAT'S NOT FAIR. NOT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS STANDING HERE AND SITTING HERE WITH YOU, TO HELP YOU GET INTO THE BEST PLACE OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND IT'S OUR TURN, IT'S OUR TURN AS PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BE WITH YOU. TO BE WITH YOU, TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS A COMMISSION THAT WORKS TOGETHER, NOT FIGHTING AGAINST EACH OTHER .

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AND I BELIEVE IN THAT AND I BELIEVE IN IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN GOD, AND I BELIEVE IN HIS ETHICS AND WHAT HE'S GIVEN TO ME. AND I AM UNWILLING TO NOT STAND UP HERE WITHOUT TELLING YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT WHERE I AM. I MENTIONED TO ALL OF YOU THAT I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IN JACKSONVILLE AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION WITH TWO MAYORS, AND SO WHEN I DID THAT, I CAME INTO THIS PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND WHO THE BEST PEOPLE ARE, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I SEE THAT JOY ANDREWS IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT I WOULD HIRE IN A MOMENT, AND YOU HAVE DONE THAT AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO MAKE THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD. WE ASK IT ALL IN GOD'S

NAME, AMEN. >> THANK YOU. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT IF YOU SPOKE PREVIOUSLY IN PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM THEN YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO

SPEAK AGAIN. GOOD JOB. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

>> MY NAME IS WILLIE COOPER SENIOR 850 S. ST. JOHN STREET.

>> JUST SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

>> I'M NOT A SPEAKER. I'M MORE OF A WORKER. THE LAST PERSON WHO SPOKE WASN'T HER FAVORITE AND I STILL WAS NOT GOING TO SPEAK BECAUSE SHE HAD EVERYTHING SHE NEEDED. EVERYONE CAN TELL THAT SHE'S DOING HER JOB, BUT I WILL SAY TO THE LAST COMMENT I HEARD ABOUT HER NOT GETTING THIS DONE THIS AND THAT. I THINK IT'S A TEAM SPORT, NOT A SPORT, IT'S AN EFFORT. I THINK IF SHE FAILED, YOU GUYS KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AROUND, TOO. HOW WE FAILED BY NOT SUPPORTING HER. SEE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THE JOB SHE'S DOING , FOR ALL THE SUPPORT SHE GOT THIS MORNING, I'VE GOT TO SAY SHE'S DOING IT GOOD, DOING IT RIGHT AND OF SOME THINGS DO NOT GET ACROSS THE BRIDGE, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OURSELVES, THIS AND THAT TO MAKE SURE SHE'S GETTING ALL THE SUPPORT THAT SHE NEEDS AND TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THE MUSEUM, THAT'S NOT EVEN A COMPLETED TASK YET, AND I THINK, IF IT DON'T GET HERE, IT DON'T GET HERE BUT, WE CAN'T SAY IT WASN'T FOR EFFORT. I WAS ON THE BUS THAT WENT OVER THERE. I'VE BEEN OVER THERE TWICE. THE SECOND TIME WAS NOT AS ROUGH AS THE FIRST TIME BUT I THERE. I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN I HEAR THAT AND I HEAR , AND I'M NOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, LET ME GO BACK. I DON'T HEAR A LOT OF THINGS, THIS AND THAT BUT THERE WAS A CALL TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT HER -- COME OUT AND SUPPORT HER, I SAT DOWN THIS MORNING LIKE EVERYONE IS GOING TO COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE'S DOING SO SHE DON'T COME AFTER A WHILE IT IS REDUNDANT, I WAS LIKE SHE DON'T NEED NOBODY ELSE MATTER FACT I WAS SITTING BACK THERE AND AS PEOPLE KEPT COMMENTING I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY RAISE THEIR HAND TO SUPPORT, BUT IN A WAY, I'M NOT A SPEAKER BUT I DO THINK SHE IS DOING HER JOB AND SHE'S DOING WELL, I DO KNOW FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN WEST AUGUSTINE, I THOUGHT PEOPLE WAS AT HER BECAUSE SHE HAD PASSION. AND I WILL SAY THIS. EIGHT NOBODY HAVE A PASSION FOR ST. AUGUSTINE. THE AREA THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WAS OVERLOOKED BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKED AT. WE STILL HAVE TROUBLE TRYING TO GET SEWER. WE HAVE GOT SEWER BUT WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME TRYING TO GET SEWER.

>> THANK YOU, MR. COOPER. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> >> GOOD AFTERNOON. HER CONTRACT ISN'T EVEN UP UNTIL 2027. IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE THERE WAS NOTHING BUT 25 WORDS. THE OLD CONTRACT WAS NOT PUT ON THE WEBSITE UNTIL TODAY. COULD WE PLEASE POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND NOT DO THIS ABRUPTLY NOW? IN FACT I WOULD CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT ARTICLE 4 OF HER CONTRACT IS EXTREMELY VAGUE. IT WOULD ALLOW A SEPARATION AGREEMENT WITH A HUGE PAYOUT LIKE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATORS AND WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR THAT. THAT'S A BREACH OF FIDUCIARY DUTY. JFK'S, THE CLOCK IS WRONG -- START IT BACK WHERE IT NEEDS

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TO BE. >> -- I WILL PUT IT BACK WHERE

IT NEEDS TO BE. THERE YOU GO. >> IT SUPPOSED TO BE THREE, RIGHT? JFK'S EVERETT POLITICIAN WAS LORD FALKLAND WHO SAID WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO CHANGE , IT IS NECESSARY NOT TO CHANGE.

ALL OF YOU ALSO YOUR CONSERVATIVES, THIS IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE MOTION. THIS IS A MOTION TO SAY GIMME GIMME MY NAME IS JIMMY AND WE ARE GOING TO PARADE AND 38 PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT JOY IS AND NOT ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A COPY OF HER PERFORMANCE APPRAISAL FROM THE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS. I ASKED FOR DOCUMENTS ON JOY, I DID GET ONE YESTERDAY BELATEDLY. AND THAT DOCUMENT IS A PERFORMANCE APPRAISAL OF JOY BY ONLY ONE COMMISSION. ONLY ONE COMMISSIONER GREAT SARAH ARNOLD, WHEN SHE WAS CHAIR, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WEREN'T EVEN ASKED TO DO PERFORMANCE APPRAISALS. THAT'S OUTSIDE THE ORDINARY COURSE OF BUSINESS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, OUTSIDE THE ORDINARY COURSE OF BUSINESS FOR ST. AUGUSTINE AND ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. WHEN WE DO PERFORMANCE APPRAISALS FOR OUR OFFICIALS, EVERY COMMISSIONER GETS TO FILL OUT A FORM. WHY IS THIS MOTION BEING BROUGHT UP NOW? WHY THE PARADE OF PEOPLE HERE? WHY THE ATTACK ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS? LET ME READ TO YOU FROM THE OPINION OF YOU IS DISTRICT COURT JUDGE MURRAY WHO WAS LATER A JUDGE AND HE WROTE ON THE FIRST DAY OF HIS JOB AND THE PENTAGON PAPERS CASE , THE SECURITY OF THE NATION IS NOT THE RAMPARTS ALONE, SECURITY ALSO LIES IN THE VALUE OF OUR FREE INSTITUTIONS. A CANTANKEROUS PRESS AND OBSTINATE PRESS, UBIQUITOUS PRESS MUST BE SUFFERED BY THOSE IN AUTHORITY IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE GREATER VALUES OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KNOW. SO WHO IS IT IN SOCIAL MEDIA THAT YOU HATE? WHAT IS IT IN SOCIAL MEDIA THAT YOU WANT TO STIGMATIZE, CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE TABLE, CAN WE ACTUALLY ADDRESS IT, WHO DO WE HATE? AND THAT WILL TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT THIS MOTION IS ALL ABOUT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY CAN'T STAND CRITICISM AND IN A DEMOCRACY IF YOU CAN'T STAND CRITICISM, YOU KNOW WHAT HARRY TRUMAN SAID, GET THE OUT OF THE KITCHEN. THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. PLEASE DEFEAT THIS MOTION, IT'S DUMB, IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND IT'S

OUTRAGEOUS. >> THANK YOU, SIR, ANYONE ELSE

FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MA'AM.

>> WE WILL SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE THE LIGHTNING STRIKE.

>> SUZANNE, 109 LAURELWOOD WAY, 32086. I KNEW IT WOULD BE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF A DAY IT WOULD BE. I WILL SAY ONE THING, I WAS UP MOST OF THE NIGHT LAST NIGHT THINKING ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY TODAY. AND PRAYING ABOUT IT. AND GOD CAME THROUGH . THE ATTACKS ON JOY HAVE BEEN RELENTLESS AND UNFAIR AND DESPICABLE, BUT WITH THE DOUBLE MEANT FOR ILL, TURNED IT AROUND TODAY. AND USED IT FOR HER GAME , I BECAME ENLIGHTENED TODAY. I KNEW SHE WAS A GOOD COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BUT I FOUND OUT JUST HOW GOOD SHE WAS TODAY WHEN ALL OF THESE PEOPLE CAME AND GAVE UP THEIR TIME . I THINK THAT EXTENDING THIS CONTRACT IS A GOOD MOVE . WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME STABILITY HERE. AND I HOPE THAT WHEN WE WALK OUT OF THIS ROOM TODAY, THIS NONSENSE IS OVER. WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN THIS COUNTY.

AND THE BACKSTABBING HAS TO STOP AND WE ALL HAVE TO START WORKING TOGETHER. SOME OF YOU HAVE HIGHER EXPECTATIONS OF YOUR

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FELLOW MAN THAN I WOULD EVER EXPECT. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES, NONE OF US ARE PERFECT , BUT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS PROBABLY THE 30 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. AND I SURE HOPE SHE STICKS WITH US AND THAT WE CAN ALL GET ALONG AND MAKE THIS COUNTY EVEN GREATER THAN IT ALREADY IS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS, EAST RED HOUSE BRANCH ROAD.

, 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIREFIGHTERS TO EXPRESS OUR FULL SUPPORT OF JOY ANDREWS CONTRACT. FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, ADMINISTRATOR ANDREWS HAS PROVIDED LEADERSHIP DURING ONE OF THE MOST RAPID GROWTH PERIODS THIS COUNTY HAS EVER SEEN. UNDER HER GUIDANCE, WE ARE NOT JUST ADDING FIRE STATIONS, WE ARE MODERNIZING, AND IMPROVING OVERALL WORKING CONDITIONS. THANKS TO HER ADVOCACY IN TALLAHASSEE, THE COUNTY SECURED $7.5 MILLION IN FUNDING TO BUILD A DEDICATED PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LARGE-SCALE INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION AND WORKFORCE PLANNING. WHAT THIS MOMENT DEMANDS IS STEADY HANDS AT THE HELM. WE RECOGNIZE THAT NOT EVERY DECISION BEFORE THE BOARD IS EASY BUT SOME ARE CLEAR. ADMINISTRATOR ANDREWS HAS EARNED THE TRUST OF THOSE TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE COUNTY. WE URGE YOU TO PROVIDE HER THE STABILITY SHE NEEDS TO CONTINUE THE CRITICAL WORK. AND I JUST WANT TO ADD SOME NOTES FROM THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING AS WELL. WHAT YOU SAW HERE TODAY IS NOT A COORDINATED CAMPAIGN, IT'S A COLLABORATIVE SHOW OF SUPPORT FROM A BROAD RANGE OF CITIZENS WHO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF STABLE EXPERIENCE LEADERSHIP AT THE CRITICAL TIME OUR COUNTY IS IN. PEOPLE AREN'T HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO BE, THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO BE. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN AND A COMMUNITY SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE, THIS IS THE LATTER, AND DISMISSING THAT UNITY AS MANUFACTURED OR POLITICAL IS A DISSERVICE TO THE GENUINE CONCERNS AND PRIORITIES BEING EXPRESSED HERE TODAY. MISS JOY AND HER STAFF, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND WE SUPPORT ALL FIVE OF YOU AND I WISH WE COULD ALL WORK TOGETHER AND SHOW THE OTHER 66 COUNTIES WHAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF DOING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

SERVICE, GOD BLESS. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

>> JERRY CAMERON, 735 WROTE ST. AUGUSTINE. CHAIR JOSEPH.

HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ESTEEMED ADMINISTRATOR AND STAFF. IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS CHAMBER, AND QUITE FRANKLY, AFTER 20 YEARS OF BEING IN EXECUTIVE POSITIONS IN FOUR DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS, I HAD FORGOTTEN HOW MUCH FUN IT IS AND HOW MUCH I MISSED IT. BUT I APPEAR HERE TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU EVER DO. THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A STANDING REPUTATION BEING NUMBER ONE IN ALMOST ANYTHING. AND JOY ANDERS CONTINUES THAT LEGACY. I KNOW JOY FROM A CLOSE WORKING RELATIONSHIP, AND I HEARD ALL OF THE PEOPLE TODAY, TALK ABOUT JOY AND HOW MUCH SHE HAD HELPED THEM. AND THAT IS BECAUSE SIMPLY, SHE'S A DECENT PERSON. SHE WANTS TO HELP BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER ASPECT WITH JOY. THE ASPECT OF HER HAVING ONE OF THE CLEAREST VISIONS OF THE FUTURE SHE WANTED, AND HOW

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TO GET THERE. YOU SEE AS A YOUNG BUDGET ANALYST, SHE CAME TO ME AND SHE SAID, HOW DO I FURTHER MY CAREER? IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT? AND SHE FREQUENTLY CAME BY ASKING ME. SHE EXCEEDED EVERYTHING WE EVER GAVE HER. SHE MOVED TO THE CONTRACT MANAGER AND THEN TO THE SUPERVISOR AND THEN TO A MANAGER AND HRS , AND SHE BLEW AWAY EVERY ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS. I HAVE NEVER MET ANYONE OR MUCH LESS HAD A CLOSE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH ANYONE THAT HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT JOY HAS ACCOMPLISHED. LIKE BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, THE OLDER I GET THE MORE I DOUBT MY INFALLIBILITY.

AND I ASK YOU TODAY, TO SET ASIDE YOUR PRECONCEPTIONS, DOUBT A LITTLE OF YOUR OWN INFALLIBILITY IF YOU HAVE ANY RESERVATIONS ABOUT ONE OF THE BEST ADMINISTRATORS THAT EVER GRACED THIS BUILDING. VOTE TO GIVE HER A CONTRACT THAT WILL GIVE HER THE STABILITY SHE SEEKS, SO SHE CAN GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THEN, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT >> ANYMORE, READY TO VOTE.

[3. Constitutional Officers’ Fiscal Year 2026 Budget Presentations - The Clerk of the Circuit Court and Comptroller and the Property Appraiser. Presentation of the Constitutional Officer’s tentative budgets for Fiscal Year 2026. Under F.S. 129.03(2), on or before June 1 of each year, Constitutional Officers shall submit to the Board of County Commissioners (BCC) a tentative budget for their respective offices for the ensuing fiscal year. Since the Tax Collector is fee-based, it is not required for the Tax Collector's budget to be submitted to the BCC at this time. The Clerk of the Circuit Court and Comptroller and the Property Appraiser will each make a brief oral presentation to the BCC relative to their respective tentative budget. ]

>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY, YOUR LIGHT IS ON. OH, WE ARE VOTING.

>> OKAY. >> THAT PASSES 3-2. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, BEFORE THE LIGHTS GO OUT.

IS IT FIVE YET? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, WADE SCHROEDER WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET. MY ROLE HERE TODAY IS REALLY MORE INTRODUCTORY. AND INTRODUCING THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGET REQUEST FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 . I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ALL CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AS REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTE, HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR BUDGET REQUEST BY THE JUNE 1ST DEADLINE, AND JUST TO POINT OUT THAT BOTH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND TAX COLLECTOR, THEIR BUDGETS ARE NOT NECESSARILY APPROVED BY THE BOARD, THEY ARE APPROVED BY THE STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, AS WELL THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS ELECTED TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGET FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO, THE TAX COLLECTOR, THERE BUDGET IS FEE-BASED SO IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGET . SO TODAY, WE HAVE BOTH THE CLERK OF THE COURT OF THE CIRCUIT COURT AND COMPTROLLER, AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, KRAMER, AVAILABLE TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGET ON JUNE 17TH. THE SHERIFF AND SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGETS AND WITH THAT, I WILL FIRST TURN IT OVER TO, I KNOW THAT SLIDES ARE PROBABLY OUT OF ORDER, TO PROPERTY APPRAISER EDDIE KRAMER AND THEN FOLLOWED

BY A CLERK RECORDER BRANDON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRMAN JOSEPH, COMMISSIONERS, AT YOUR REQUEST, I AM DELIGHTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE 2025 TAX ROLL AND WHERE WE ARE THIS YEAR AND OUR PROPOSED BUDGET, TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

AND SO HOPEFULLY I CAN MAKE THIS QUICKER WORK. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE COUNTY IN THE PAST NINE YEARS. AND THE BREATH OF THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS.

THIS YEAR WE ARE PRAISING 181,000 PARCELS IN THE COUNTY COMPARED TO 2016 WHEN I STARTED THIS, 136,000 PARCELS. A 32% INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF PARCELS THAT WE APPRAISED THIS YEAR. ONE OF THE METRICS THAT WE FOLLOW IS HOW EFFICIENT CAN WE BE IN ASSESSING THOSE PARCELS AND IN 2016, EACH ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, IF YOU DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF PARCELS WAS 2684 PARCELS. TODAY IN THIS TAXING ROLE, EACH EMPLOYEE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 4285 PARCELS, ABOUT AN 1800 INCREASE. THE EFFICIENCY HAS ALLOWED US TO REDUCE OUR WORKFORCE OVER TIME

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FROM 54, TWO 44 BECAUSE WE ARE DOING MORE WITH THE PEOPLE WE HAVE , AGAINST THE GROWTH THAT THE COUNTY IS EXPERIENCING.

BUDGET OVERVIEW, AS WE GO TO THE VALUE OF THE TAX ROLL, THIS YEAR IN A WORKING TAX ROLL AND I WILL EXPLAIN THIS AS A WORKING TAX ROLL BECAUSE THE TAX ROLL IS NOT FINAL UNTIL WE SUPPORT -- SUPPORTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AND THAT OCCURS NO LATER THAN JUNE 30TH. WE WILL SUBMIT OUR ROLE NEXT WEEK FOR EVALUATION BUT RIGHT NOW, THE VALUE, THE MARKET VALUE OF THE TAX ROLL IS $90 BILLION, COMPARED TO 2016, $31 BILLION.

SO WE HAVE INCREASED 186% IN VALUE. THE TAXABLE VALUE IN THE COUNTY THIS YEAR IS $59 BILLION, COMPARED TO 2016, AT $22 BILLION OR 167% INCREASE. WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO THIS YEAR, IN THE OFFICE, WE HAVE ADDED 57 NEW SUBDIVISIONS TO THE TAX ROLL.

WE'VE ADDED 5830 NEWLY CONSTRUCTED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND ACCORDING TO THIS PRESENTATION, WE HAVE APPROVED 8900 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION APPLICATIONS. 9650 HOMESTEAD APPLICATIONS AS THEY CONTINUE TO COME IN. QUALIFIED SALES, WE PROCESS ABOUT 23 TO 25,000 DOCUMENTS EACH YEAR FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE, FLORIDA IS A MARKET-BASED ASSESSMENT STATE MEANING WE SALES TO PERFORM AN EVALUATION PROCESS THAT WE'VE QUALIFIED 15,624 SALES. THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THINGS GENERALLY SLOWING DOWN IN THE ECONOMY OR THE HOUSING MARKET AND WHILE THEY HAVE SLOWED HIM A WE STILL QUALIFIED 16,024 SALES FOR USE IN OUR VALUATIONS. THE BUDGETING PROCESS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT OUR BUDGET TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE BY JUNE 1ST. OUR BUDGET WAS SUBMITTED MAY 27 TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. WE SIMULTANEOUSLY SUBMIT THAT TO THE TAXING AUTHORITIES FOR THEIR PROCESS BECAUSE WE ARE FEE-BASED . THE BUDGET REQUEST THAT WE HAVE SENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE THIS YEAR FOR VALUATION, I PUT UP LAST YEAR'S BUDGET REQUEST ON THE LEFT SIDE, 2024 E- 2025, AND THE 20/25 DASHED 2026, WE HAVE REQUESTED 5.6 MILLION IN PERSONNEL SERVICES. THAT'S A 9% DECREASE FROM 2024, 2025, OPERATING EXPENSES, THE REQUEST IS 1,000,005 31 WHICH IS A 6% DECREASE FROM 2024-25. WE HAVE NO CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND PLAN FOR 2025-2026. SO THAT'S A 100% DECREASE . I BURDENED MY STAFF WITH ALL THE NEW TECHNOLOGY I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH FOR THIS YEAR AND I WILL LET THEM CATCH UP IN 2025 DASHED 2026 AND HE WILL PROBABLY ASK FOR SOMETHING ELSE NEXT YEAR . WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, OUR BUDGET SHOULD BE APPROVED SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE 30TH. OUR TAX ROLL FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES TODAY IS LOCKED AS WE GO THROUGH QUALITY CONTROL BEFORE WE SUBMITTED TO THE DOR. WE WILL SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE NEXT WEEK AND WE EXPECT THAT TO BE FORWARDED BACK TO US BY THE END OF THE MONTH. AT WHICH TIME WE WILL GO TO TRIM, NOTICE OF PROPOSED TAXES AND THOSE THIS YEAR WILL BE MAILED ON AUGUST 15TH. AFTER THAT AS YOU KNOW THE TAX ROLL WILL BE SUBMITTED DOWN TO JENNIFER RAVEN AND THE TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE, SO WE CAN SEND OUT THE LOVE LETTERS TO THE 181,000 TAXPAYERS IN THE COUNTY FOR THEIR TAX BILLS. THE LAST THING I WILL COVER BRIEFLY, THAT IS INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON NOW THAT WE WILL UNDERTAKE THIS COMING YEAR. THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE HAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IN ONLINE EXEMPTION APPLICATION.

IT WAS AN EXEMPTION APPLICATION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO APPLY FOR HOMESTEAD EXTENSION ONLY ONLINE, AND ABOUT 64% OF ALL OF OUR APPLICATIONS FOR HOMESTEAD ARE ONLINE. WE RECENTLY COMPLETED AN UPGRADE TO THAT APPLICATION. AND NOW A PROPERTY OWNER CAN APPLY FOR ANY EXTENSION, SENIORS, DISABILITY, ANY EXEMPTION THAT FLORIDA GRANTS CAN BE DONE ONLINE. WE ARE PROCESSING AND ONLINE TPT APPLICATION. TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. THE PAPER RETURN HAS TO BE MANUALLY PROCESSED BY STAFF. WE ARE

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PUTTING IN AN ONLINE SYSTEM NOW THE NUMBER ONE WILL ALLOW THE TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX FILER TO FILE ONLINE. WE KNOW NOT EVERYONE WILL FILE ONLINE BUT THOSE THAT COME IN IN PAPER, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SCAN THAT, AND IT'LL READ THE, SO THAT IS GOING TO GO A LONG WAY TO HELP US BE MORE EFFICIENT. WE ARE WRAPPING UP A READER, THE CLERK'S OFFICE SENDS US THE OWNERSHIP DOCUMENTS. WE NOW PROCESS THEM MANUALLY THROUGH ELECTRONIC BOOK. IT WILL READ THOSE THROUGH OCR AND ESTABLISH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE AND IF IT REACHES THAT LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE, IT WILL POST THOSE FOR US AND WE WON'T HAVE TO INTERVENE IN THAT. THE LAST THING WE ARE WORKING ON WILL BE NEXT YEAR, IT'S CALLED CV DESK. IT'S ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, IT'S A CHAT BOT THAT WILL DIGEST ALL OF OUR DATA, ALL STATE STATUTES, AND ALLOW US TO SERVE THE TAXPAYERS A TELEPHONE OR TEXT, SO IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE PHONE SYSTEM OR CHAT SYSTEM TO GET THAT FROM OUR DATA WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR MONDAY MORNING TO COME BACK IN AND DO THAT. SO WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR WAYS WHERE WE CAN KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH AND STILL REMAIN EFFICIENT IN HOW WE DO THAT AT THE LOWEST COST POSSIBLE. AND WITH THAT, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR YOU AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR LET YOU GO ON WITH

YOUR DAY. >> LET ME CONFIRM. A DECREASE OF 10%, NOT AN INCREASE OF 13% LIKE LAST YEAR ?

>> IS A DECREASE OF 10%. >> OKAY, PERFECT.

>> YEAH, YOU COULD ONLY FIND 10% TO CUT?

>> THAT'S ALL WE COULD FIND. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, BYE.

>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD AFTERNOON --

>> BRANDON? >> YES MA'AM.

>> FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, WE HAVE THREE PRIMARY DRIVERS IN OUR BUDGET, NUMBER ONE IS A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT FOR OUR STAFF OF 7% WHICH MATCHES THE PROPOSED FOR COUNTY DEPENDING ON WHERE THE COLA COMES IN. WE WILL SHIFT ACCORDINGLY FOR OUR STAFF. WE HAVE A 9% INCREASE IN EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE COST AND OVERALL REDUCTION OF THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET AFTER A REVIEW OF OUR FY 2025 EXPENDITURES HEARD ON THE FIRST SLIDE I'VE GOT OUR COMBINED BUDGET, APOLOGIES FOR THE CROWDING OF THE SLIDE AT THE BOTTOM BUT OVERALL, WE HAVE ROUGHLY A $373,000 INCREASE. THAT'S PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE COLA INCLUDING THE COMPTROLLER STAFF, IG STAFF, MINUTES AND RECORD STAFF, THE COUNTY, THE CLERK'S STAFF THAT SUPPORTS YOU ALL IN COUNTY OPERATIONS. OF THIS, WE HAVE A PIE CHART THAT ILLUSTRATES CLEARLY THAT THE OVERALL BUDGET IS DISTRIBUTED 92% TO SERVICES WHICH HELPS TELL THE STORY ABOUT HOW WE'VE KEPT OUR OPERATIONS LIEN BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTEGRAL TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR OPERATION. THE NEXT SLIDE IS REGARDING OUR COURT SUBSIDY BUDGET. THIS MAY BUDGET THAT WE HAVE SET UP WITH YOU ALL AND YOUR GENEROSITY OF HELPING TO PROVIDE COURT OPERATIONS HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE BUDGET INCREASE IS 400,000, WHICH AGAIN IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE COLA FOR THE COST INCREASE. GOING TO THE COURT SUBSIDY OVERALL, AGAIN, THE OPERATING EXPENDITURE REMAINS UNDER 10%, OVER 90, FOR THE PERSONAL SERVICES AND OF THAT INCREASE, AS WE DISCUSSED AS WELL, WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY ANTICIPATING A COLA INCREASE FOR THE STATE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BUT THERE IS ONE, THE PLAN IS TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT BACK TO COUNTY ONCE WE REALIZE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP UP AND TAKE CARE OF OUR FOLKS. THAT'S MY REPORT, ANY QUESTIONS?

[4. Public Hearing * VACROA 2025-01 O'Hara Family Property - Public Hearing to vacate a portion of Poinsettia Road right-of-way. The unopened portion of Poinsettia Road right-of-way does not contain any asphalt or sidewalk and is not used for traffic circulation or access; both affected property owners currently access their properties via Kings Road. Therefore the applicant is requesting to vacate this portion of right-of-way. Based on staff's review thus far, no party will be unreasonably affected by the requested vacation. ]

>> DON'T GET WET OUT THERE. >> YES MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. I'M SORRY, DID WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT?

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>> NO, IT'S A PRESENTATION. >> THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ONE. IT'S A PRESENTATION ONLY.

>> X PARTAKE. >> I MET -- I HAVE NO RECORD OF EMAIL'S OR PHONE CALLS . LIKE MR. ARNOLD?

>> ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE ON BEHALF OF AN APPLICANT, NO RECORD OF EMAIL'S OR PHONE CALLS.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> THE SAME, I HAD A MEETING AS

WELL WITH HIM. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY?

>> I HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE AND NO EMAILED.

>> I HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITE HOUSE, NO EMAILED'S.

>> ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP 104, MAIN STREET HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SALLY O'HARA WHO'S HERE WITH ME AS WELL, FROM THE O'HARE FAMILY, THIS IS THEIR PROPERTY THIS IS FOR A VACATION THAT WENT OPEN, RIGHT OF WAY, OFF OF KINGS ROAD.

THEIR REQUEST IS TO VACATE THIS UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT ALSO JOINS INTO THIS.

THE JOINER IS WITHIN THEIR PACKET. THIS IS LOCATED OFF OF KINGS ROAD. KINGS ROAD COMES OFF OF KINGS ESTATE, YOU CAN SEE U.S. 1. IT GOES TO 207 HERE. AGAIN, KINGS ROAD GOES DOWN AND TERMINATES DOWN HERE IN OAK BROOK, WHICH THE CREEK IS DOWN HERE TO THE SOUTH. JUST TO ORIENT YOU. AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THE UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY IS THAT COMES OFF KINGS ROAD. THIS IS THE O'HARE FAMILY PROPERTY AND THIS IS THE OTHER NEIGHBOR PROPERTY WHO JOINED INTO THIS AS WELL. THIS IS A CLOSE-UP, IT'S A WOODED AREA. YOU CAN SEE FROM YOUR PACKET THAT WE SIGNED OFF FROM ALL UTILITIES. THERE'S NO UTILITIES IN THIS AREA AND THEREFORE IT'S BEEN CLEARED. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REQUEST TO CLOSE THIS OR VACATE THIS UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY AND BASED ON STAFF, THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST. THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWE THIS. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, AND THERE'S BEEN NO CORRESPONDENCE OR PHONE CALLS REGARDING THIS REQUEST . AS I SAID, THE STAFF REPORT HAS NO OBJECTION, SO I ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS. THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION PROVIDED AND I CAN ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY?

>> WE WILL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA THEM ITEM

NUMBER FOUR. >> I HAVE A MOTION FOR

RESOLUTION 2025. >> APPROVE THE RCA 2501 O'HARE FAMILY PROPERTY, PETITION TO VACATE A PORTION OF POINSETTIA

ROAD. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

>> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, 5-0- >> AGENDA NUMBER FIVE.

>> MADAM CHAIR? >> COMMISSIONER WHITE HOUSE.

>> SO I HAVE A RECORD OF TWO FEMALES AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT .

>> I'VE ALSO HAD TWO FEMALES AND DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS

AND STAFF IN THE OFFICE. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR?

>> I'VE RECEIVED TWO EMAIL'S. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY?

>> I'VE ALSO RECEIVED TWO FEMALES AND NO MEETINGS.

>> I HAVE TO EMAILED AND I MEETING WITH THE TEAM.

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, RYAN KING DID DIRECTOR OF PARKS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING OUR TIME TODAY. JUST QUICKLY HERE. THIS

[5. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2025-05 SJC Central Sportsplex. Request for a Non- Zoning Variance to allow for a County Park to utilize Scenic Edge standards consistent with commercial properties, to allow for reduced performance standards within a portion of a Development Edge, and to allow for overflow parking within the Scenic Edge, pursuant to Section 6.06.02.G and H of the Land Development Code. The site is specifically located at the corner of County Road 16A and Timberwolf Trail. ]

IS REGARDING A REQUEST FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SPORKS PART -- PARKSIDE. THIS IS THE LOCATION CIRCLED IN RED. IT'S OFF OF 16 A NEXT TO THE NEW TROUT CREEK ACADEMY. THIS WAS AN OLD SOD

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FARM SITE, TO REMIND YOU WHERE THE LOCATION WAS. THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO HEAR, THERE WAS MUCH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, COMMISSION APPROVED A MASTER PLAN INITIATIVE, WE HAD PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, MET WITH THE SPORTS PARTNERS OF ORGANIZATIONS, A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO WHAT THE WANTS AND NEEDS WERE. THE SPORTSPLEX DESIGN IS DESIGNED TO BECOME A GREAT LOCAL USE INTERNMENT USE FACILITY FOR US.

IT ALIGNS WITH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT WE SAID WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SPORTS PARTNERS IN THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBOR OF THE PROPERTY, MR. ZIEGLER. HE IS HERE TODAY. I ANTICIPATE THAT HE WILL BE COMING UP AND SPEAKING BUT I DID PRESENT TO HIM, HIM AND HIS WIFE WHO SHOWCASE THE PLANS . THIS IS THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT, AND WHERE WE ARE AT, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY HOPING AND ANTICIPATING A GROUNDBREAKING TOMORROW BUT WE MAY HAVE A DECISION COMING UP ABOUT THAT VERY SOON BASED ON WHAT WE ARE HEARING. WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS TO THE STATUS OF THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND THE PROJECT CLOSE WILL BE AT THE END OF 2026 AND OPEN EARLY 2027. WE HAVE DAN

KELL BACK HERE. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE UP HERE AGAIN. AS BRIAN MENTIONED. I'M LEAVING THE DESIGN EFFORT FOR THE FOUR COUNTY PARKS PROJECT. I AM HERE FOR ESSENTIALLY TWO VARIANCE REQUEST FOR ST. JOHNS, CENTRAL ST. JOHNS SPORTSPLEX. SO JUST EXISTING CONTEXT OF THE SITE. IT'S A 40 ACRE PARCEL, EXISTING USE IS A SOD FARM OR WHAT'S LEFT OF A SOD FARM , JUST GOING AROUND THE HORN AS TO ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, TO THE EAST IS TIMBERWOLF TRAIL. THERE'S A K-8 SCHOOL JUST OUTSIDE OF THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF THE PAGE. TO THE NORTH IS THE SHEARWATER DEVELOPMENT, AND SOME WELL ESTABLISHED TREE LINE. ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE IS A F RETENTION POND THAT'S OVER 40 FEET DEEP, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND IT'S UNDERGOING EXCAVATION. TO OUR WEST IS AN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY INTO THE SOUTH IS 16 A, WHICH WILL BE WIDENED TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY . SO AFTER OUR MASTER PLANNING PROCESS WRAPPED UP, WE JUMPED INTO A MORE FORMAL DESIGN OF THE PARK . WHERE WE ARRIVED IS NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS BUT TO THE NORTH, I JUMPED TO THE VERSION OF LABELS AND TO THE NORTH ARE FOUR FULL-SIZED SOCCER FIELDS. THEY ARE INTENDED TO BE MULTIPURPOSE USE, SO SOCCER, SMALL SIDED GAMES, JUST THROWING A GENERAL FRISBEE AROUND THE PARK. IN BETWEEN THE FIELDS TO THE NORTH AND THE FIELDS TO THE SOUTH IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING A LINEAR PARK ELEMENT. IT'S AN AREA TO BASICALLY USE THE PARK OUTSIDE OF GENERAL FIELD USE. WE HAVE USED FOR A GRAND ENTRY, AND A LINEAR PARK AS I MENTIONED, JUST PLACES TO SET UP TENTS, JUST STAY AND PLAY ON THE SITE. AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY SOUTH, THERE'S THREE FULL-SIZED NATURAL GRASS SOCCER FIELDS. AND ROUNDING THINGS OUT TO THE EAST, ARE A MULTIPURPOSE STADIUM WITH A PERIMETER EIGHT LANE RUNNING TRACK. THE OVERALL INTENT FOR THIS PARK IS TO BE A DESTINATION SPORTS COMPLEX, SO WE ARE TRYING TO DRAW TOURNAMENTS, BASICALLY HEAVY USE OF THE SITE . THE COUNTY REALLY NEEDS THESE FIELD ASSETS AND JUST MENTIONING THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNT OF PARKING ON-SITE, JUST TO COVER A HEAVY USE SCENARIO OF ALL EIGHT FIELDS BEING UTILIZED AT THE SAME TIME. IN SHORT, I WILL JUMP RIGHT TO THE VARIANCE REQUEST. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THIS PAGE RIGHT NOW BUT I WILL SAY FROM A PLANTING PERSPECTIVE WE HAVE A LOT OF

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FIELD AREA AND WE MANAGED TO MEET AND EXCEED THE TREEPLANTING REQUIREMENTS ON SITE EITHER THROUGH THE 80 INCH FOR ACRE REQUIREMENT OR MAINTAINING EXISTING ESTABLISHED TREE LINE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE ENTIRETY OF THE NORTH PARCEL LIMITS, AND AS I JUMP FORWARD HERE, PART ONE OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE WEST ONE PROPERTY LINE, THE FAR NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE F. -- F-DOT. AND PER DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE REQUIRED BUFFER IS 35 FEET AND TYPICALLY YOU WOULD PROVIDE AN EVERGREEN CANOPY TREE AS WELL AS NON-CANOPY TREES, SHRUBS AND GROUND PLANTINGS, AND WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS TO BASICALLY BACK OUT OF THAT REQUIREMENT AND ILLUMINATE ANY CANOPY TREES AND ANY GROUNDCOVER IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA. OUR REASONING IS, THIS IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT THAT REQUIRES A PRETTY EXPENSIVE UNDER DRAINAGE SYSTEM AS WELL AS SUPPORTING UTILITIES FOR THE FIELD, FOR LIGHTS, TO GET THINGS TO TRAIN, ETC. AND PLANTING TREES WITHIN 30 FEET OF THE SYNTHETIC TURF PRESENTS A MAINTENANCE CONCERN FOR THE COUNTY. THE CANOPY TREES WILL SHED LEAVES, TREE LETTER AND THAT FALLING ONTO THE FIELDS OVER TIME, IS JUST AN ADDED COST AND A MAINTENANCE ITEM FOR THE COUNTY. IN ADDITION THE F-DOT POND TO THE WEST REQUIRES A MAINTENANCE DRIVE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE POND, JUST PLANTING TREES WITHIN THAT MAINTENANCE AREA, IT'S ALSO PROBLEMATIC FOR MAINTAINING THE POND OVER TIME AS WELL. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. ONE THING TO NOTE ON THE FAR SOUTH, THE LIMITS OF THE WEST ONE DEVELOPMENT EDGE. WE ARE EXTENDING SOME TREE COVER PAST THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LIMITS, THAT IS THE FAR SOUTH OF WHERE THE WORDS WEST ONE EITHER. GOING AROUND THE HORN ON THE PROPERTY, THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. THE REQUIRED BUFFER WITH IS 35, WE ARE PROVIDING 20 FEET OF BUFFER FOR LDC REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS A SIX FOOT HIGH SOLID DEFENSE , ON THE SOUTH CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES REQUIREMENT DO NOT HAVE ANY LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO GRASS PARKING AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE OVERALL USE OF THE SITE IS FOR, YOU KNOW, TOURNAMENTS OR HEAVY USE OF THE FIELDS. WE LIKE TO CLAIM PORTIONS OF THIS GENERAL AREA FOR GRASS PARKING WE STILL MEET ALL THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS FRONTAGE. AND THE SAME THING GOES FOR THE WEST. IN SHORT OUR ASK IS TO ALLOW FOR GRASS PARKING ALONG THE EDGE. WE WILL STILL MEET ALL THE REQUIRED PLANTINGS. AND THEN JUST CLOSING THINGS OUT TO THE NORTH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREE LINES AND CANOPY COVERS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN. ALL OF THAT WILL REMAIN, THERE'S REALLY NO VARIANCE ASK. AND THAT IS IT.

>> WE TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE AND ALSO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH OTHER PARKS, PEOPLE PARKING OUT ON THE STREETS AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE BEFOREHAND, SO WE CAN TRY AND BUILD THE PARK THE BEST WE CAN RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. I'M HOPING THERE ISN'T EQUAL -- PEOPLE PARKING OUT OF THE STATE

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BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO HAVE THE PARKING ON-SITE SO WE ARE NOT OVERFLOWING ON THE SITE AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST ON THE SOUTHERN PART. SO WE APPRECIATE YOU HEARING THIS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOUR PARKS WHETHER THIS IS PASSED OR NOT.

>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> WHAT IS THE MAKEUP OF THE

TURF FOR THE STADIUM? >> SYNTHETIC TURF.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE LITTLE CIRCLES IN THE PARKING, ARE THOSE TREES, LIGHTS, WHAT IS THAT?

>> I BELIEVE THOSE ARE TREES. >> YEAH, WITHIN THE PARKING LOT, THERE'S REQUIRED LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AND THERE'S TREES.

>> OKAY IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE BARRY AND -- BARON?

>> THERE WILL BE A PORTION OF IT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE TREE CERTAINLY BUT WE ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> WE WILL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

FIVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ROGER ZIGLER. I LIVE AT 8920 COUNTY ROAD 68, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. EXCUSE ME. OUR MAIN HOUSE AND OUR COTTAGE AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THAT HE SHOWED IS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THAT PROPERTY. OUR HOUSE IS 60 FEET AWAY AND OUR COTTAGE IS 12 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE PARKING AREA OR ALL OF THE PARKING AREA GOES DOWN THAT WEST SIDE, ALL THE WAY TO THE BACKSIDE OF OUR HOUSE, AND AT THE END OF THE PARKING AREA IS A MAINTENANCE SHOP IN OUR CONCERN IS THE NOISE AND THE INTRUSION FROM THE PARKING AND THE CAR NOISE AND ALSO THE NOISE FROM I SUSPECT, THERE WILL BE NOISE FROM THE MAINTENANCE SHOP AS THE CRUISE COMING IN THE MORNING AND GET READY AND CRANK UP THE EQUIPMENT. WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS THAT THE PROPOSED SIX FOOT I GUESS IT'S A PVC FENCE OR VINYL FENCE THAT RUNS FROM 16 A UP TO AT LEAST THE BACK EDGE OF THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING, BE CHANGED TO EITHER A CONCRETE FENCE OR A CONCRETE BLOCK FENCE AND GET EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT AND SET OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE NOISE AND THE LIGHT THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE GENERATED FROM THE PARKING AREA. THE SECOND ITEM IS A BEHIND THE MAINTENANCE SHOP OR THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS A SOCCER FIELD WHICH IS JUST BEHIND OUR HOUSE. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THAT PARTICULAR FIELD COULD MAYBE CLOSE AT 9:00 P.M. IN THE EVENINGS, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTS IN THE NOISE WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATED. I UNDERSTAND, THERE STILL GOING TO BE A LOT OF LIGHT AND NOISE BUT I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY HANDLE THAT. THAT WAS IT. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU WOULD VOTE FOR A BIGGER FENCE. A CONCRETE FENCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DO YOU MIND IF I ASK HIM A QUESTION REAL QUICK?

>> SURE. >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BLOCK FENCE AND A VINYL FENCE IS THE BLOCK FENCE, PEOPLE COULD THROW THEIR BALLS AGAINST IT AND IT MIGHT BE LIKE SOUND, YOU

DON'T CARE? >> NO, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD GET A LOT OF NOISE THROUGH THAT BLOCK FENCE, T BE HONEST WITH YOU. WHERE I WORK WITH, THEY JUST, THE INTERSTATE GOES RIGHT THROUGH. AND THEY PUT UP A CONCRETE WILL NOT CONCRETE, A SOLID CONCRETE WALL AND THERE'S NOT MUCH NOISE FROM THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HERE AT ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

>> AND YOU THINK EIGHT FEET, COULD THAT WORK OR NO?

>> >> THE TALLER THE BETTER.

>> 50 FEET. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE

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SUFFICIENT. >> I THINK HE'S GOING TO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THAT WORKS. AND ANYWAY, I KNOW THIS MAY NOT BE A POSSIBILITY SO I WILL JUST ASK BECAUSE I KNOW THEY PLANNED THIS AND THEY WANTED TO BE RIGHT. ANYWAY TO PUT THE MAINTENANCE ON THE UPPER RIGHT SIDE, MOVE ANY OF THE MAINTENANCE UP THERE? I DON'T WANTTO MESS UP THE FIELDS, I

GET IT. >> OUR CURRENT MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS THE TOP LEFT PORTION OF THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT.

>> ANYWAY TO GET IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT BEHIND HIS HOUSE? ON THE RIGHT SIDE CORNER OR SOMETHING ? LOWER? I DON'T KNOW, JUST BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING, THEY WILL GO MOW AND TAKE IT OUT OF THERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE

LOUD. >> WE CAN STUDY IT. IN STUDYING IT, WE TRIED TO CITE IT OFF OF THE MAIN ENTRY OF THE PARKING LOT. IF WE MOVE IT FURTHER EAST, IT'S BASICALLY THE MAIN ENTRY INTO THE STADIUM ELEMENT OF THE PARK. I MEAN, MAYBE SOME

OPERATIONAL PROVISIONS? >> I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING THAT GOES BEHIND IT AND A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY WE CAN COME BACK AND ASK ABOUT THAT BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE PLANNED OUT THIS 40 ACRES FROM MAXIMIZING THE FULL SPACE, SO I THINK WE COULD AT LEAST COME BACK AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE TEAM. I KNOW IF SOMETHING EVER HAPPENED WITH THE CHANGES, THE CHANGES WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERABLE, AT LEAST.

>> BUT THE OTHER TWO THINGS WE COULD DO?

>> I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY END UP NEEDING MORE DIRECTION AS TO , AS YOU ARE GOING TO THIS, THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE CHANGES OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. ONE WOULD BE PROGRAMMING, AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY EASY, FOR ME, AS THE PARK DIRECTOR, IF YOU SAY TURNED THE GRASS LIGHTS OFF AT 9:00 VERSUS 10:00 AT NIGHT, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST. FOR ME, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE PUT IN THE VERBIAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S NO LONGER A RESIDENCE, THAT IT COULD BE SWAPPED BACK BUT WHILE IT'S A RESIDENCE, THAT'S A VERY FAIR REQUEST AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I THOUGHT HE WAS VERY FAIR WITH THE COUNTY AND THERE IS EXPENSES TO THE WALL THAT ARE NOT IN THE SCOPE, THE COST DIFFERENCE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $120,000 FOR THAT, WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE ARE OFF OF WHAT OUR ORIGINAL SCOPE IS, SO WE WILL KIND OF PREFER

MORE DIRECTION. >> BEFORE I SWITCH IT TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, THE LAST THING IS CAN WE GET FIRST RIGHT

OF REFUSAL ON HIS PROPERTY? >> NEVERMIND.

>> I ONLY NEED TO SAY THAT I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF MR. ZIEGLER. WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS. THESE ARE REASONABLE REQUEST. THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCH A BIG PROJECT.

MR. ZIEGLER, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF YOU SO I WOULD SUPPORT ANY MOTION THAT INCLUDED THOSE AMENDMENTS.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NON-ZONING VARIANCE 2025 DASHED 05 SJC'S PORTS COMPLEX BASED UPON THE FINDINGS OF FACTS REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER ZIGLAR. AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER MURRAY HAD A

COMMENT? >> IS THERE ANY WAY TO CONSIDER BUILDING A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL, TO MOVE THE VINYL WALL, TO EIGHT FEET? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WOULD PROBABLY SERVE THE SAME NOISE

ABATEMENT ISSUES. >> I'M SURE, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IS TOO DRASTIC OF A CHANGE IN THE SCOPE.

>> WILL IT MUFFLE THE SOUND THE SAME? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. ZIEGLER GETS WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR. I DON'T CARE IF

IT'S CONCRETE OR VINYL. >> I THINK STAFF SAID THEIR OPINION IS, AND I CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD FROM MR. ZIEGLER, THAT WOULD BE HIS PREFERENCE, SO I'M NOT GIVING YOU A SOLID ANSWER.

STAFFING SAID THEY DIDN'T THINK THE SOUND WOULD BE THAT DRASTIC WITH THE VINYL. THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CONCRETE IS DOING. AGAIN, I RESPECT WHAT MR. ZIEGLER HAS COME THROUGH. HE DEFINITELY HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION.

>> SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF A NON-VARIANCE ORDER, IF I COULD ARTICULATE THOSE TWO CONDITIONS FOR YOU. YOU WILL HAVE THE SIX FOOT FENCE CHANGE TO A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL AND THE SECOND CONDITION WOULD BE THE LIGHTS ON THE SOCCER FIELD ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE SHALL BE EXTINGUISHED NO MORE THAN 9:00 P.M. DAILY. SUCH CONDITIONS

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SHOULD BE IN -- RESIDENTIAL USE.

>> CAN WE PUT IN FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL FOR THE PROPERTY?

>> NO MA'AM, WE CANNOT. >> THAT LITTLE EXTRA WOULD BE

GREAT FOR OUR PARK. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT

MOTION? >> SECOND.

>> I GUESS WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT UNLESS THERE'S ANY

OTHER QUESTION. >> OH, ARE WE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, SHOULD WE VOTE? THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK

[6. DRAFT - E-Bike Ordinance. Discussion regarding an initial draft of a proposed ordinance to regulate the use of e-bikes in unincorporated St. Johns County. ]

YOU. ALL RIGHT, NUMBER SIX . THE E-BIKE'S. I THINK WHEN EVERYONE

IS WAITING FOR BACK THERE . >> MADAM CHAIR, THIS WAS BROUGHT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAD BEEN WORKING ON HER SUGGESTION TO HAVE AN E-BIKE ORDINANCE, AND THERE WAS FEEDBACK FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM CITIZENS AS WELL AS SOME OF YOU. AT THIS POINT, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERTION IS THE SYNTHESIZED VERSION OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AS WE'VE DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY, AT THIS POINT, THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO DECIDE, DO YOU WISH TO PURSUE AN E-BIKE OR SCOOTER OR ELECTRONIC DEVICE ORDINANCE AND IF SO, DO YOU WANT TO SEE AMENDMENTS TO WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE

YOU SO YOU CAN BRING IT BACK? >> MR. KOMANDO, DO YOU MIND COMING TO THE PODIUM. I THINK IF YOU COULD BRING THE ORDINANCE AND WE COULD ASK SPECIFIC DETAILS ABOUT IT , SO I CAN HEAR YOU BETTER AS WELL AS MAYBE DISCUSS SOME OF THE POINTS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HEAR MORE ABOUT SO COULD YOU GIVE US A QUICK PRESENTATION ABOUT SOME OF

THE ISSUES IN THERE? THANKS. >> NO PROBLEM. SOME OF THE ISSUES WERE JUST PRESENTED AS FAR AS, I DON'T HAVE IT BUT IT'S PART OF YOUR AGENDA PACKET. I DON'T HAVE IT .

>> CAN WE PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN? THANK YOU.

>> SURE. SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION. THERE'S DEFINITIONS THAT TRACK WITH WHAT THE EXPLANATIONS ARE FOR E-BIKE'S AND ELECTRONIC SCOOTERS AND SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED THE UNICYCLE TYPE OF BIKES, THERE'S ALSO A CAPTURE WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF ELECTRONIC MOTORIZED DEVICES AS TO WHERE THOSE CAN BE, SIDEWALKS ARE ON THE ROAD, THE AGE OF WHO CAN BE OPERATING THOSE, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO UTILIZE WHAT WAS USED IN THE GOLF CART ORDINANCE, AGE 14 WAS USED. THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE HELMETS, SO, HELMETS ARE REQUIRED FOR ANY MINOR. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO START FROM THE POSITION OF IS THIS SOMETHING THE COMMISSION

WISHES TO PURSUE? >> HE TELLS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REGULAR BIKES AND ELECTRIC BIKES AND MOTORS, JUST THE MOTORIZED DEVICES. I KNOW YOU RESEARCHED THOSE, COULD YOU JUST GIVE THOSE TO US AND WHAT WOULD APPLY FOR THE AGE AS WELL

AS HELMET? >> ELECTRONIC BIKES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE ELECTRONIC POWER, THE STATUTE HAS A DEFINITION OF ONE THAT OPERATES WITH PEDAL POWER VERSUS COMBINATION OF PEDAL POWER AND ONE THAT OPERATES STRICTLY OFF OF ONLY ELECTRONIC POWER . THE THRESHOLD IS I BELIEVE, 750 WATTS AS FAR AS WHAT THE MOTOR DOES. AND THERE'S DISTINCTIONS ON STATE STATUTES AS TO THE ABILITY OF THE BIKE AND SPEED IN TERMS OF

SPEED. >> CAN YOU GIVE US THE SPEEDS

FOR THOSE THREE? >> I DIDN'T MEMORIZE EVERY ASPECT OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN IN THE

PROPOSAL. >> IT'LL BE UP TO 20 AND UP TO

28 MILES PER HOUR. >> YES SIR.

>> IT'S AS IF, IT SAYS THEY NEED TO WEAR A HELMET IF THEY ARE UNDER 18 AND WHAT IS THE 14-YEAR-OLD?

>> THAT WAS THE CORRELATION TO THE GOLF CART ORDINANCE, WHERE YOU HAD AN ORDINANCE OR ORDINANCES EXIST WHEN SOMEBODY UNDER 14 COULDN'T OPERATE A GOLF CART, SO IT'S THE SAME

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TYPE OF RESTRICTION. AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO

DISCUSSION BY YOU. >> WHAT ABOUT SIDEWALKS?

>> THE CONCEPT IS TO REGULATE E-BIKE'S THAT ARE MEANT FOR PATHS OR ROADS OFF OF THE SIDEWALK SO THEY DON'T ENDANGER

THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS. >> IS VERY SPEED LIMIT FOR THAT? IF IT'S OVER A CERTAIN SPEED IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE SIDEWALK, WHEN SHOULD THEY BE ON THE STREET.

>> I THINK THEY WERE CALLED FOR 10 MILES AN HOUR ON THE

SIDEWALK. >> THAT WAS.

>> IF IT'S FASTER THAN THAT THEN THEY CAN'T BE ON THE

SIDEWALK? IS THAT -- >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS HOW FAST A NORMAL BICYCLE CAN ACTUALLY TRAVEL.

>> WILL IN A SCHOOL ZONE, CARS CAN GO UNDER 20, SO HERE, YOU HAVE AN E-BIKE THAT COULD GO EVEN FASTER THAN THAT. SO I GET

THAT. >> IF I MAY, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO CHANGE ORDINANCE TWO WAS ALREADY COVERED IN STATE STATUTE. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT THAT UNDER STATE STATUTE THAT A MINOR HAS TO WEAR A HELMET WHEN YOU RIDE A BICYCLE ALREADY. THE DUE CARE PROVISION, THAT'S ALREADY COVERED UNDER THE CARELESS DRIVING STATUTES.

BICYCLES, BY LAW, ARE SUPPOSED TO USE THE SAME RULES AS VEHICLES AND MOTORCYCLES AND SO, THREE WOULD BE, WE ARE TELLING THEM THAT THEY CAN RIDE ON A SIDEWALK WHEN ACCORDING TO STATE LAW, THEY CANNOT. AND IF I'M WRONG, I'VE GOT SOME EXPERTS RIGHT HERE. THE LIGHTS, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WHERE REQUIRING VEHICLES THAT WILL NOT HAVE TURN SIGNALS ON THEM TO THEN HAVE TURN SIGNALS TO OPERATE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WHITE LIGHT AT NIGHT AND A RED LIGHT IN THE BACK AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TURN SIGNALS AND ADDING TURN SIGNALS TO A BICYCLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN FEASIBLE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT? IF WE CAN PUT TURN SIGNALS ON A BICYCLE AND WHY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ARE REQUIRED TO USE HAND SIGNALS FOR THAT.

>> ANECDOTALLY, I'VE SEEN THEM, SO I KNOW THERE IS SOME ABILITY

TO DO THAT. >> OKAY.

>> WELL IF THEY GO OVER 25 MILES PER HOUR AND DON'T HAVE TURN SIGNALS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A MOTORCYCLE.

>> I AGREE. >> AND THE STATUTE HAS A SEPARATE DESIGNATION FOR MOTORBIKE.

>> HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT -- I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER MURPHY.

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, 316 SUB 2 SAYS IF THEY'RE DRIVING SLOWER THAN THE NORMAL FORM OF TRAFFIC, YOU SHOULD DRIVE TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OF SIX, I THINK IF THEY'RE GOING TO RENT IT, THEY NEED TO RENT TO SOMEONE WHO HAS A LICENSE, UNLESS YOU ARE RENTING A BICYCLE AT A, AT A, SOME, PARADISE PLACE THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SEVEN GOES BACK TO, ARE WE ON SHAKY GROUND WHEN WE MAKE A PROVISION TO RIDE A BICYCLE OR AN E-BIKE ON A SIDEWALK. I KNOW EVERYBODY RIDES ON THE SIDEWALKS BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO AND ARE WE GOING TO LEGISLATE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY COVERED BY STATE LAW UNDER SEVEN .

>> I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION ON THAT. I WILL LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THE CONCERN WAS SOME OF THE PARENTS THAT HAVE THEIR CHILDREN WRITING THESE DEVICES TO SCHOOL WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT SMALL CHILDREN ACTUALLY ON THE ROADWAY WITH THOSE DEVICES THAT TRAVEL UNDER 10 MILES AN HOUR.

>> I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO A SPEED LIMIT THAT IF YOU ARE UNDER 20 YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE STREET?

>> I MEAN WE ARE NOT THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM OF THIS.

THAT'S REALLY THE FINAL COMPONENT THAT IF YOU DO DECIDE TO GO FORWARD, WE WOULD ASK TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ENFORCE THOSE.

OTHERWISE YOU ARE PASSING A REGULATION THAT HAS NO MEANING.

>> WHAT IF YOU ARE 14 OR UNDER, YOU HAVE TO VIEW A VIDEO, PARENTS SIGN OFF ON IT SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF A, I MEAN, THEY REALLY HAVE A WEAPON, THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN YOU ARE YOUNG YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING BILL WHEELIES AND I JUST SAW THAT YESTERDAY ON THE

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SIDEWALK AND PEOPLE ARE WALKING. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY HAD AN EDUCATIONAL VIDEO, INSTEAD OF NO WRITING UNDER -- RATING UNDER

14. >> THE PROVISION FOR SOMEONE UNDER 14 TO NOT BE ABLE TO RIDE AN E-BIKE IS SPECIFICALLY A CLASS III VEHICLE. THIS CLASS I OR CLASS II, THEY ARE DESIGNED TO GO FASTER THAN 20 MILES AN HOUR, I FORGET THE STATUTE NUMBER, 316, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. HELP A BROTHER OUT.

>> IT'S IN THE DEFINITION SECTION. SO IT JUST RESTRICTS UNDER 14 TO CLASS I OR CLASS II. IT DOESN'T SAY, IT RESTRICTS THEM TO CLASS III . I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH NUMBER EIGHT WHERE IT SAYS EVEN WITH LIGHTS, HEADLIGHTS AND TAIL LIGHTS, THEY CAN'T RIDE AT NIGHT. A LOT OF PEOPLE GET TO WORK THAT WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S DARK . I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 10, THEY CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T RIDE ON THE HANDLEBARS. WE ARE LEGISLATING THAT PEOPLE CAN RIDE BICYCLES ON PEDESTRIAN PATHS WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT STATE LAW SAYS BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING LIKE

THAT. THAT'S JUST ME. >> THERE'S ONE OF THEM I WANT TO ELIMINATE BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE E-BIKE SAFETY IS AN ISSUE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN DO LEGISLATIVELY, BUT I GO BACK TO MY TWO PRONG RULE, EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT. AND THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, WE SEE, WE ARE ALREADY TAXING OUR UNIFORMED PERSONNEL WITH THE THINGS THAT THEY DO, SO, CHASING E-BIKE'S AROUND, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE NIGHTMARE THAT THAT WILL BE. BUT THAT SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

>> THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS ALREADY STEPPED UP THEIR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND THERE'D TRAVELING AROUND TO DIFFERENT AREAS IN DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, TO LET MINORS KNOW, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THESE ELECTRONIC DEVICES.

>> MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I DON'T THINK HAVING A DRAFT FOR E-BIKE'S IS A BAD THING. BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO , AND I DON'T WANT TO JUST KEEP PUTTING THINGS OFF. WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO IS WORKSHOPS. I'D LOVE TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND OTHER GROUPS THAT COULD COME IN AND WE COULD LITERALLY SIT AROUND THE TABLE AND SEE WHAT APPLIES AND WHAT DOESN'T BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, AND I THINK IT IS ONE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A

HARD LOOK AT. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I SEE DIRECTOR MARTIN SITTING OUT THERE. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME TO THE PODIUM?

>> I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT. SEVERAL WEEKS HAVE GONE INTO THIS. SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN MEETING WITH LEGAL, IT'S TAKEN US A LOT TO GET TO THIS DRAFT. THIS HAS HAD A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS ALL COMING FROM FEEDBACK FROM OUR RESIDENTS, IT'S SUCH A SAFETY CONCERN. WE'VE ALL BEEN INUNDATED WITH SO MANY MILES FROM A RESIDENCE. IT'S A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN AND I HEAR ALL THE TIME WHY NOW, WHEN IS SOMETHING GOING TO BE DONE AND IS IT GOING TO TAKE SOMEBODY TO GET KILLED.

>> I SHARE YOUR CONCERN. I GET EMAILED ABOUT INTERSECTIONS ALL THE TIME WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED IN TRAFFIC CRASHES BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LEGISLATE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO STATUTES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT WE COULD COME ALONGSIDE AND NOT OVERRIDE BUT

PARTNER WITH. >> I THINK COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST HAS THE FLOOR. >> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MARTIN ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF ENFORCEMENT. THIS ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATES 10 MILES AN HOUR AS THE MAXIMUM SPEED.

HOW WOULD YOU AND THE MEN IN UNIFORM ENFORCE THAT?

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>> OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T BE AT EVERY CROSSWALK OR EVERY SIDEWALK, THERE IS A VISIBLE ESTIMATION OF THAT. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE RADAR BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THINGS WE HAVE TO MITIGATE, SHOULD WE HAVE TO PIVOT. BUT JUST SO EVERYBODY IS AWARE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE STANDS FIRM AND WE WILL PIVOT IF THE BOARD HAS A DECISION THAT CREATE SOME TYPE OF LEGISLATIVE IMPACT HERE.

WE WILL PIVOT AND PUSH ON AND ADJUST WHERE WE NEED TO BUT I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO KNOW, SINCE THIS BECAME KIND OF AT THE FRONT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS, WITH OUR RECENT CRASH, IF YOU WILL, WE HAVE REALLOCATED MANPOWER AND A LOT OF THE BENEFIT IS, WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT WERE ABOUT TO LET OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SUMMER. WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WE CONTACTED THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS, COMING AND GOING FROM ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS. I LEVERAGE THE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS, WHICH ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST THE CONTACT THAT WE HAVE WITH KIDS COMING INTO SCHOOL. AND THE 70 EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM HAS COME OUT. THEN WE HAVE A CALL TO ACTION FOR THE PARENTS AS WELL. SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS REALLOCATING OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE DEPUTIES THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL.

WE MADE OVER 200 CONTACTS OUTSIDE OF SCHOOLS. AND WE CALLED THE PARENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT BEHAVIOR WE ARE ACTUALLY OBSERVING ON THE STREETS. SO I THINK THIS COLLABORATIVE APPROACH, SHOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ORDINANCE, BY ALL MEANS, WE WOULD SUPPORT YOU GUYS, WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE ON THAT BUT THE EDUCATION IMPACT, OUR MEETINGS WITH OUR COUNTY PARTNERS, OUR WAYS HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT IN AND AROUND THEIR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY CAN INFORM NOT ONLY THE RESIDENCE BUT THEY CAN CREATE NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND WE'VE SEEN A MAJOR POSITIVE IMPACT ON THAT. THEY'VE BEEN WANTING TO PARTNER WITH US AND WE BEEN PARTNERING WITH THEM. PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS AND WE'VE HAD POSITIVE FEEDBACK. SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE WE STAND WITH REALLOCATING MANPOWER, MAKING THIS A PRIORITY THROUGHOUT OUR PATROLS EVERY DAY, AND UTILIZING OUR RESOURCE GUYS, THAT NOW THEY ARE AVAILABLE, NOT IN THE SCHOOLS, REALLOCATING THEM THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND SEEING WHAT KIND OF RESULTS WE CAN HAVE. SO IT'S A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH, NOT NECESSARILY LEGISLATING OUR WAY OUT OF THIS THING. I THINK IT'LL TAKE A FULL COMMUNITY APPROACH TO THIS AND WE ARE SEEING SOME

OF THE RESULTS OF THAT. >> DIRECTOR, I'VE BEEN ON ONE RIGHT ALONG SO THAT DOES NOT QUALIFY ME AS AN EXPERT BUT WHEN I DID MY RIGHT ALONG, THERE'S A LOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE ON THE 12 HOUR SHIFT, FOR ANY MAN OR WOMAN DOING PATROLS AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALSO ALLOCATED RESOURCES TO JUST DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

EVERY TIME I SPEAK TO A NEIGHBORHOOD OR NATURE WAY, THERE'S CALLS FOR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

THERE'S PEOPLE SPEEDING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WANT YOU TO PUT SOME PATROLS THERE 24 HOURS TO CATCH THE SPEEDERS. I HEAR THAT OFTEN. THERE IS A FINITE AMOUNT OF MAN POWER AND RESOURCES THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CHALLENGES JUST KEEPING UP WITH THE NORMAL CALLS .

>> NORMAL CALLS FOR SERVICE, EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR COMMUNITY OBVIOUSLY, PAID ATTENTION TO AND WE DO OUR BEST JOB THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE HOTSPOTS MEANING WHAT CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE COMING FROM WHERE, WHAT COMPLAINTS WE ARE RECEIVING, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC UNIT THAT DEDICATES THEIR JOB, 100% OF THEIR JOB IS THAT, PLUS THE OFF-DUTY DETAILS, THOSE OF US THAT MAY BE OFF AND THEY SIGN UP FOR EXTRA DUTY DETAILS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT BUT TRAFFIC, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF TRAFFIC LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND IT APPLIES EQUALLY, SO THE RULES OF THE ROAD, WHETHER THERE'S A MOTOR AFFIXED TO THE BICYCLE OR NOT ON THE BICYCLE, THE RULES OF THE ROAD STILL APPLY. SO SAFETY EQUIPMENT, EDUCATION, A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WITH THE FAMILIES, THE MOMS AND DADS OUT THERE, OUR SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS AND OF COURSE THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE THAT WRAPS UP THE APPROACH AND AGAIN, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE IT ENOUGH. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF POSITIVE IMPACT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS SINCE WE BEEN ENFORCING THAT.

>> MY FINAL COMMENT WOULD BE THIS, THE TWO ACCIDENTS THAT HAPENED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BROUGHT THIS ISSUE TO THE FOREFRONT OR CONSCIOUSNESS , BOTH INVOLVED CHILDREN WHO ARE

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ALREADY BREAKING THE EXISTING LAW OF WEARING A HELMET AND THAT'S NO BLAME. I WAS A YOUNG BOY ONCE AND I DID STUPID THINGS ALL THE TIME. I'M SAYING EVEN WHEN PARENTS TELL THEIR KIDS TO WEAR THEIR HELMETS, SOMETIMES THE KIDS AREN'T FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS BUT THOSE ARE LAWS THAT ARE BEING BROKEN, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM SPEED WHICH IS ANOTHER WALL THAT EXISTS, THAT IS CONTINUOUSLY BEING BROKEN. SO I BELIEVE IN THE EDUCATION PORTION WHICH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS ALREADY TAKEN OFF THE DOING. I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES SENSE TO PASS A LOT IF IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE DEPUTIES STANDING OUT THERE WITH RADAR GUNS NOT ONLY MONITORING THE TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES ON THE STREET THAT E-BIKE'S ON THE SIDEWALK. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S REALISTIC. THOSE ARE SOME OF MY

CONCERNS. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD?

>> I THINK COMMISSIONER MURPHY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THE EDUCATION AND THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE. AND OUR SHERIFF HAS BEEN OUT THERE SAYING WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO ENFORCE THIS. IT'S UNENFORCEABLE. THEY HAVE UNFORTUNATELY MUCH HIGHER PRIORITY THINGS THAT THEY ARE SEEKING OUT. I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITE HOUSE THAT THERE IS ALREADY A STATUTE IN PLACE THAT WOULD PREVENT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND IT DOES COME DOWN TO BEING A PARENTING ISSUE. AND AS A PARENT OF FOUR, I CAN SAY THAT. WHEN MY KIDS SCREW UP ON THEIR MOTORIZED VEHICLES, THEY LOSE THE KEYS BUT IT'S ALSO THE PARENTS THAT ARE BUYING THESE VEHICLES FOR THE KIDS. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERHAPS AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION RATHER THAN JUST ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION THAT CAN'T BE ENFORCED. SO I WOULD EVEN SUPPORT IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET THIS YEAR, WE ARE IN BUDGET TALKS, AND ADDITIONAL FTE OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN. BECAUSE I KNOW THE SCHOOL OFFICERS ONLY HAVE THE WINDOW OF SUMMER TO DO IT. I WOULD LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF THE EDUCATION. I KNOW YOU GUYS JUST DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER.

THAT WOULD GO TO THE PARENTS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE THIS A RESOLUTION? YOU KNOW, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GIVE PARENTS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW, YOU KNOW THAT E-BIKE RULE OR RESOLUTION , IT'S A SEPARATE CATEGORY, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY GIVE TICKETS ALL THE TIME FOR IT, AND I WOULDN'T HIRE AN EXTRA GUY FOR IT BUT WE DO HAVE AN AMAZING MEDIA DEPARTMENT WHERE ANYONE WHO BUYS ONE HAS TO WATCH THE VIDEO AND SIGN OFF ON IT, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, WE CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS AND SAY, OH, THERE'S ALREADY LAWS ON THE BOOKS. I THINK THE PARENTS NEED SOMETHING TO SAY, LOOK, THIS WAS JUST VOTED ON AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE CARE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO BREAK SOME RULE AND HAVE IT GO AGAINST YOU WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE NAVY OR SOMETHING.

>> WE CAN ADAPT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.

>> MADAM CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> I THINK THAT IS A WONDERFUL IDEA BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT. WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING, TAKE A STAND AND OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS IMPORTANT BUT A RESOLUTION, IN PLACE OF DUPLICATING A LAW, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I WOULD SUPPORT A RESOLUTION.

I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME STUFF IN HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE EDITED OUT THAT'S UNREALISTIC LIKE THE 10 MILES AN HOUR, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IF WE COULD REVISE THAT INTO A RESOLUTION AND ELIMINATE SOME OF THE REDUNDANCY, THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> I AGREE. I WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT WE HEAR THEM AND WE ARE LISTENING AND WE ARE CONCERNED WITH ALL OF THE KIDS IN THIS COUNTY AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I AM OUT, WHEREVER I'M AT, I WAS AT AN EVENT THAT I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT ON SATURDAY, 100 DAYS OF SUMMER AND I HAD SO MADE PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SHARE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND THEY ARE LIKE WHEN IS SOMETHING GOING TO BE DONE. I THINK A RESOLUTION IS FANTASTIC. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT YES, WE HEAR YOU AND OF COURSE NOTHING IS IN STONE AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS. WE KNOW THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST ONE MORE TOOL YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOOK AT IT AS A TOOL BUT IF THE RESOLUTION CAN BE A TOOL TO HELP, I'M ALL FOR THAT. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HELP AND I KNOW YOU HAD A WHOLE TEAM THAT SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. I WASN'T AWARE THAT IT WAS IN THE PLANNING STATE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE STATE WAS DOING. I DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING DUPLICATED. SO THAT WAS NEWS TO ME. BUT ANYWAY, NO, I'M FINE

WITH THE RESOLUTION. >> WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT

AND DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU.

>> WHAT IF, WHILE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND

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HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, REALLY, THANK

YOU. >> REALLY, WE ARE NOW GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHUCK LEBOWSKI 1748 CAROL. WHENEVER THIS BOARD DECIDES, WE'VE GOT TO BRIDGE THE GAP. YES THERE IS LAWS ON BICYCLES, THERE'S LAWS ON CARS, THERE'S LAWS ON MOTORCYCLES. THERE'S NOTHING TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE MOTORIZED VEHICLE IN THE BICYCLE. THERE'S NOTHING THERE, SOMETHING HAS GOT TO BE DONE.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE SOMEONE GETS SERIOUSLY HURT, I MEAN I SHOWED YOU PICTURES LAST MEETING OR THE MEETING BEFORE WHERE A FRIEND OF MINE THAT DID GET HIT BY AN E-BIKE, YOU'VE SEEN OTHER PICTURES OUT THERE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN INJURED ON E-BIKE'S, I LEFT SOME SITE VISITS YESTERDAY ON MY WAY HOME, THE CIRCLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, TO E-BIKE'S CAME FLYING AROUND THAT CIRCLE, BOTH OF THEM HAD KIDS BUT EAT UP ON IT, NO HELMETS . I KNOW SOMETHING HAS GOT TO BE DONE, SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GET THE PARENTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE EDUCATION HAS TO BE THERE, IF IT TAKES A JOHNNY LAW, A RESOLUTION, OR WHATEVER. IT'S TIME FOR THE PARENTS TO BECOME PARENTS AND TEACH THE KIDS RIGHT AND WRONG.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS ISSUE. I'M NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

COMMISSIONER MURPHY COULD WRITE THIS LAW. A FIRST YEAR LAW STUDENT COULD HAVE WRITTEN THIS LAW. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS AN ARTICULATE. HE DIDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, HE DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER, HE HAD NOT RESEARCHED THIS. CAN YOU IMAGINE M REPRESENTING ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN COURT? WE HIRED A CORPORATE LAW FIRM. A CORPORATE LAW FIRM WHICH HAS A PARTNER WHO IS A FORMER SENATOR. AND THE LAW FIRM ALSO HAS A PARTNER WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER OF THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER AS I'VE SAID BEFORE , RECONSIDERING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY CONTRACT. THIS IS PITIFUL. BEAUTIFUL PERFORMANCE. IT WOULDN'T EVEN GET A GOOD GRADE IN FIRST YEAR COURT. ANYWAY THE ISSUE OF E-BIKE'S IS VERY SERIOUS, AND I KNOW A FEW YEARS AGO MICHELLE O'CONNELL'S DAUGHTER GOT ONE AS A GIFT AND I WAS AT PATTY O'CONNELL'S HOUSE AND I SAW IT AND I SAID, NO, DON'T DO THAT AND I THINK THEY RETURNED IT. IT WAS A RELATIVE OR KINFOLK, SOMEONE GAVE IT TO HER AND THEY MEANT WELL BUT SHE WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO OPERATE IT AND I WAS CONCERNED THAT SHE WAS GOING TO GET KILLED JUST LIKE MICHELLE O'CONNELL WAS KILLED. THESE DEVICES ARE UNSAFE AT ANY SPEED. I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION UNDER SECTION 402 A THAT SAYS IN THE CONTRACT ABOUT ANY MANUFACTURER WHO WOULD PUT THESE THINGS IN HARMS WAY IN THE HANDS OF KIDS. I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A RESOLUTION ASKING THE MANUFACTURERS, BY NAME, ASK THE MANUFACTURERS BY NAME, TO DO AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN BECAUSE AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AND OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED, A VIDEO OR WHATEVER, WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE DEVICES SOLD. THIS COUNTY COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT, BY DOING ON'T NEED A NEW LAW AND WE COMMISSIONER MURPHY, YELLED, YOU KNOW YOUR TRAFFIC LAW FROM 38 YEARS AT FHP, YOU'VE BEEN TO HOW MANY FATAL WRECKS, WE NEED TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING TO SOMEBODY. AND I THINK THE BURDEN SHOULD BE ON THE INDUSTRY. AND HOPEFULLY, THERE WILL BE TORT LAWYERS THAT COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK ON THESE DUMB THINGS. BUT WE'VE GOT A CRUMMY COUNTY ATTORNEY AND HE DOES BAD WORK AND HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING. HE DOESN'T SPEAK WELL ON HIS FEET BUT COMMISSIONER MURPHY, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL. I WOULD WRITE A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. YOU REALLY KNOW YOUR TRAFFIC LAW AND YOU ARE HELPFUL

ON THIS ISSUE. >> THANK YOU SIR, AND WE CAN GO

[7. Adoption Hearing for COMPAMD 2024-06, a Comprehensive Plan Amendment to amend the Comprehensive Plan Goals, Objectives, and Policies to comply with Section 163.3177, Florida Statutes, with the issuance on the 2023 North Florida Regional Water Supply Plan. This is the adoption hearing for a Comprehensive Plan Amendment to amend Goals, Objectives, and Policies of the St. Johns County 2025 Comprehensive Plan in order to comply with Section 163.3177, Florida Statutes, with the issuance of the 2023 North Florida Regional Water Supply Plan. The statute requires local governments to amend their Comprehensive Plans to include selected projects from the updated regional water supply plan and to update its Water Supply Facilities Work Plan, adopted by reference in the Comprehensive Plan. The amendment was brought before the PZA on March 6, 2025, for a motion to recommend transmittal to state agencies for review. There were minor comments and questions from Agency members along with one public comment on aquifer withdrawal. The Agency subsequently voted unanimously to approve the motion. On April 1, 2025, the amendment was brought in front of the BCC for a motion to transmit to state agencies for review. Staff answered questions from the Chair on alternative water supply projects that the County has selected. In addition, a public comment was discussed on gray water availability for reuse. The BCC subsequently unanimously approved the motion to transmit. The amendment was sent out for state agency review on April 4, 2025. No substantial comments or concerns with the amendment were received from the state agencies by the 30-day deadline. Staff intends to bring the amendment to the PZA again on May 15, 2025, for a recommendation to adopt and will verbally advise the Board of any issues or questions asked. ]

FISHING WHILE WE GO TO LAW SCHOOL, TOO.

>> YOU'LL HAVE TO TEACH ME TO FIX. I'VE ONLY BEEN ONCE.

>> MR. MOODY WILL HAVE TO TEACH ME HOW TO FIX -- FISH.

>> THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL CLOSE.

>> SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? >> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR,

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COMMISSIONERS. I'M KEVIN LEDBETTER, I'M HERE AGAIN TODAY TO DISCUSS A PROPOSED AMOUNT OF MINUTES TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REGIONAL SUPPLY PLAN. IF YOU WILL RECALL BACK IN APRIL, I WAS HERE FOR THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING. TODAY'S THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. JUST TO NOTE, AGAIN, ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY THIS, FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE LAST TIME, THIS IS SOMETHING TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THE OVERALL PLAN.

WITH THAT, I WILL GET GOING. LAST TIME WE WERE ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO TRANSMIT FOR STATE AGENCY REVIEW, TODAY WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE CONFERENCE AMENDMENTS, AMENDING POLICIES 117 AND D462. AND THAT ADDRESSES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE 2023 REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY.

SO ONCE AGAIN, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? FLORIDA STATUTE SAID WHEN A WATER DISTRICT ISSUES AN UPDATE TO THE SUPPLY PLAN, WE ARE REQUIRED TO INCORPORATE PROJECTS FROM THAT PLAN INTO OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND ALSO UPDATE OUR PLAN. TEMPLATES OUR DEADLINE OF JUNE 12 AT THIS MONTH, AND IT REQUIRES US TO UPDATE OUR WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES . I JUST WANT TO PUT TOGETHER A TIMELINE TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'VE BEEN ON THIS, WE START OFF, THE DISTRICT ISSUED THEIR UPDATE IN DECEMBER 12, 2023. WE HAD OUR TRANSMITTAL HEARING BACK ON APRIL 1ST, WHICH WE RECEIVED PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD . WE ISSUE THAT TRANSMITTAL ON APRIL 7TH, PUT OUR DEADLINE WITH A 30 DAY REVIEW PERIOD ON MAY 7TH. WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS FROM A STATE AGENCY. IF WE DID RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, EITHER NO RESPONSE OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING. OUR NEXT STEPS TODAY, WE HAD THE ADOPTION HEARING ON MAY 15TH, WE RECEIVED MASS APPROVAL TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION AND THAT LEADS US TO TODAY. OUR ADOPTION HEARING. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ACTION, IT WON'T MEET OUR REGULATORY DEADLINE. I JUST WANT TO REVIEW THE MINOR AMENDMENTS AGAIN WITH YOU, THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE UPDATES TO OUR FACILITIES WORKPLAN, PREVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE YEARS 2019 TO 2030, WE HAVE A PLAN TO COVER 2025 TO 2035. THE SECOND AMENDMENT WE HAVE ISN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRED BY THE REGIONAL SUPPLY, IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WHILE WE WERE IN THERE.

IT'S UPDATINGA REFERENCE FROM THE WATER RESOURCES PLANT TO THE SUPPLY PLAN IN GENERAL. ONCE AGAIN, TODAY WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT OUR COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENTS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF 2023 NORTH FLORIDA REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLAN AMENDING POLICIES D 417 AND D462. I FORGOT TO MENTION ON THE OTHER SIDE, NOTHING HAS CHANGED ON THIS SINCE LAST TIME, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS. WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE?

>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> NO QUESTIONS.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THING DONE, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD FOR

QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? >>

>> I WILL BE HAPPY TO MOVE IT. >> I WAS HEADED THAT WAY, SIR.

THANK YOU. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2025 E- 13 TO ADOPT COMMENTS OF PLAN AMENDMENTS WHICH AMEND POLICIES D.FOR.ONE.17 TO ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUPPLY PLAN

SUBJECT TO -- >> SECOND.

[8. Public Hearing * Adopting and approving the final schedules of rates, deposits, charges, fees, and costs relating to the use or availability of water, wastewater, and reclaimed water services pursuant to the St. Johns County Utility Ordinance for FY2025, creating a single set of rates for the North Beach and Main System and establishing an effective date. The St. Johns County Utility Department (‘SJCUD’) is a self-sustained enterprise fund with two separate water, wastewater, and reclaimed water fee structures for the Main and Ponte Vedra Systems. SJCUD has experienced substantial growth and an increased customer base and has recognized economies of scale for a more efficient cost of operations. SJCUD anticipates a continuation of the County’s high-growth rate in the coming years and expects to maintain revenue sufficiency to meet level of service demands, current and future regulatory mandates, and creditworthiness requirements for a capital-intensive business. SJCUD is recommending modifying all current North Beach water, wastewater, and reclaimed water rates to match the Main System. Rates to be effective July 1, 2025 and will be implemented upon the next billing cycle after the effective date. This item was noticed by Resolution at the May 6, 2025 meeting. ]

>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND, LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES, 5-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS , HOPEFULLY THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW

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LAST ITEMS REMAINING FOR YOU GUYS. ITEM TODAY IS REQUESTING THE CHANGE FOR OUR CURRENT NORTH BEACH UTILITY RATE TARIFF TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY RATE TARIFF. SO THIS IS FOR NORTH BEACH UTILITY SYSTEM WHICH IS 1400 CUSTOMERS THAT'S LOCATED IN THE MILANO BEACH AREA AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PASSED LAST FALL, LAST MAY, APPROVING THE SALE OF THE ACQUISITION FOR NORTH BEACH COUNTY UTILITIES FOR $6 MILLION. SO, EVERY OPERATIONAL INTEGRATION OF ANY NEWLY ACQUIRED UTILITIES IS ALWAYS CHALLENGING AND NORTH BEACH HAS HAD A PERSONAL TOUCH, PER SE. AND I HAVE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO REALLY PRAISE THE STAFF. THEY'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB TO STEP IT UP, THIS WEEKEND WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT FAILING, THEY WORKED ALL WEEKEND, THEY ORDERED THE PARTS THAT HERE WE ARE. THESE PEOPLE ARE AWESOME AND THEY ARE AWESOME, I HAVE TO BE PROUD OF THEM. FOR THE GOOD STUFF COMMISSIONERS, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED AT THE TIME OF PRESENTATION LAST YEAR, THEY ARE ALL INITIATED, MOST OF THEM ARE.

ONE OF MY FAVORITE IS THE GROUND WORK FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE DESIGN HAS BEEN INITIATED. WE ARE ANTICIPATING CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR. IT TAKES A YEAR TO GET THAT DONE. SMART METERS ARE THERE. FRANK JUST TOLD ME IT'LL PROBABLY BE DONE TO MID JUNE TO END OF JUNE. WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. A LOT OF OTHER WATER TREATMENT PLANT UPGRADES ARE HEADED OUR WAY.

THEY ARE ALL INITIATED. I'M EXCITED FOR THE COMPLETION BUT WE HAVE SECURED OUR NORTH AND SOUTH, THANKS TO JAY FOR WORKING WITH US. APSLEY -- WHILE WE ARE HERE TODAY IS WE NEED TALK ABOUT THE RATE TARIFF. THIS IS SOMETHING WE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT. THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT THAT TIME AND THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND THAT WERE PRESENTED. ONE IS THAT THE NORTH BEACH UTILITY DID NOT HAVE ANY CONSERVATION RATE STRUCTURE AND I'M JUST COMPARING THEIR STRUCTURE TO HOURS AS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY THEY HAVE NOT HAD THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. ANOTHER THING IS NORTH BEACH HAS A HIGH FIXED RATE. IF NOBODY USES WATER, THERE STILL PAYING $76. WE CAN SEE THAT RIGHT COLUMN IN BOTH SIDES FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THAT OUR RATES ARE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE A SMALLER BASE RATE BUT WE HAVE A HIGHER CONSERVATION STRUCTURE. SO THAT BRINGS THE THIRD PART WHICH I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IS YOU USE MORE WATER, YOU PAY MORE FOR IT. THAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WE SEE IN THESE RATES AS WE TRANSITION TO COUNTY RATES. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO THE CUSTOMERS? WELL MOST OF THE CUSTOMERS, ABOUT 60%, USE 6000 OR LESS, SO THOSE CUSTOMERS WILL SEE A REDUCTION FOR THEIR MONTHLY BILL. RESIDENTS OR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE USING ABOVE THAT 6000 WILL SEE SOME INCREASES AS THEY HAVE MORE, THEY PAY MORE. THERE'S 28 WASTEWATER ONLY CUSTOMERS. THIS IS UNIQUE TO THE SYSTEM, THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE COUNTY AND AT LEAST ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE HAVE ONLY FOUR WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS. THEY WILL SEE A RATE INCREASE, CURRENTLY THEY PAY $45, WITH US, THEY WILL PAY $75.

WE HAVE KIND OF COMMUNICATED TO SOME OF THEM THAT WERE OFFERED TO INSTALL WATER METERS. WE HAVE THAT OFFERING FOR THEM.

COMMISSIONER CUSTOMERS WE HAVE ABOUT 40 IN NORTH BEACH AND THAT REPRESENTS HONESTLY LESS THAN 5% OF THE TOTAL CUSTOMERS. BUT THEY WILL SEE A SIMILAR TREND THAT IS GOING TO COST MORE MONEY. WITH OUR COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE METER SIGHTINGS. WE WORK WITH THEIR ENGINEERS TO MAKE SURE THEY USE THE APPROPRIATE SIZE OF METERS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST. I WANT TO FINISH ON A GOOD NOTE. THE MILANO BEACH CUSTOMERS ARE OUR NEW CUSTOMERS AND THEY ARE IN GOOD HANDS. WE ARE A HOMEGROWN

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UTILITY HERE. WE WILL SERVE THEM LIKE WE'VE SERVED EVERY OTHER CUSTOMER IN THE COUNTY FOR YEARS. WE ARE PROUD OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. THE PRICES WILL GO UP IF, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE A GOOD FOUNDATION ON OUR FINANCES THAT HELPS BRING STABILITY AND BOND RATINGS TO THE COMMUNITY WHENEVER BIG ISSUES LIKE SENATE BILL 64, AND, WE CAN IMPLORE THOSE. COMMISSIONERS, WITH THAT, I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THAT WAS ON THE LIFT STATIONS, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT?

>> WE HAVE RESPONDED TO THE PERSON, I HAVE COPIED ALL OF YOU GUYS, THIS IS A DECISION THAT WE MADE. IT'S CONSISTENT WITHOUT -- THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY AND WE'VE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT. WE WERE VERY TRANSPARENT IN THAT, IN THE FACT THAT THOSE LIFT STATIONS WOULD BE THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF CUSTOMERS. IT WAS A PART OF THE DEAL THAT WAS STARTED FROM THE IMPETUS WHEN WE WERE NEGOTIATING WITH PALM BEACH, THEY SENT A LETTER TO THE CUSTOMERS INFORMING THEM, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. BUT THE BOARD WAS CLEAR. YOU ARE ALL PASSIONATE AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAD DIRECTED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE RIGHT GUIDANCE AND WE ARE CERTAINLY DOING THAT. WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE, BUT IT IS A CONSISTENT POLICY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WE DON'T OPERATE ON GRINDER PUMPS, THERE'S MANY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A DECISION WE HAD MADE AT THAT POINT, SO I WOULD OFFER COMMENTS TO MS. BAKER TO PROVIDE THAT COMMUNICATION.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA NUMBER EIGHT.

>> I'LL BE BRIEF, FOR A CHANGE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING CONSERVATION RATES. BACK IN 2014, WE ELECTED NANCY SHEA, THE MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE. THERE HAD NEVER BEEN A WATER RATE STUDY IN THE HISTORY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. AND LARGE USERS OF WATER WERE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER, PAYING VERY LITTLE FOR THE WATER AND WE USED TO DO AN ANNUAL FEATURE ABOUT WATER HOGS, BUT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO PRO-INDUSTRY WAS NOT CHARGING ENOUGH FOR WATER. SO THEY HIRED A CONSULTANT FROM TAMPA, PHD OR WHATEVER, FROM THE INDUSTRY AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T LIKE CONSERVATION RATES. AND I TOLD MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T CARE WHAT HE LIKES. WE WANT TO CONSERVE WATER. THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL PUBLIC POLICY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND I KNOW MY FRIEND HENRY BEING WHEN HE WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, HE PUT A BIG EMPHASIS ON CONSERVATION RATES. SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR DOING THIS. IT'S LONG OVERDUE. OBVIOUSLY FOR THE PEOPLE , FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, THAT BENEFITS. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A WATER CRISIS BECAUSE OF OVERDEVELOPMENT AND YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> >> I'M BOB OLSON, 1801 WINDJAMMER LANE. JUST, I'M A HOMEOWNER, IN NORTH BEACH IN THE AREA THAT THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN OVER AND WE'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITIES, AND MOVING IN QUICKLY AND DOING THE IMPROVEMENTS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY, GREAT JOB. GREAT JOB, AND WE NOW, DON'T FEEL LIKE ORPHANS, WE'VEALWAYS BEEN WORRIED A BIT, LIVING ON THE BEACH, ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR UTILITY SUPPORT, SO THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING THEM, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASHED 192 AND APPROVING THE RATE TARIFF, DOCUMENT TO ACCOMMODATE CHANGES TO WATER, WASTEWATER AND CLEAN

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WATER RATES CREATING A SINGLE SET OF RATES FOR BOTH THE MAIN AND THE NORTH BEACH UTILITY SYSTEMS.

[9. Consider appointments to the Planning and Zoning Agency. Currently, there is (1) one vacancy on the Planning and Zoning Agency due to the resignation of Elvis Pierre. A vacancy ad was placed and ran for (30) days. Please see attached for your review and consideration, a recommendation letter and (18) applications; Kyle Jacobs Dist. 1, Dirk Lobenbruck Dist. 1, Joseph McAnarney Dist. 1, Jason Wallis Dist. 1, Trista Brophy Cerquera Dist. 2, Thomas Pauly Dist. 2, Randolph Jones Dist. 3, Samuel Friedman Dist. 4, Mark Keefer Dist. 4, Justin Lynch Dist. 4, Tony Mazullo Dist. 4, Dick Williams Dist. 4, Kim Devlin Dist. 5, Michael Kelly Dist. 5, Julie Lemke Dist. 5, Robert Olson Dist. 5, Raj Vavilala Dist. 5, Lorie Wilson Dist. 5. ]

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE NOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 5-0.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. >>

>> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, SHELBY ROMERO, INTERIM TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I'M HERE TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENT FOR THE PCA. CURRENTLY THERE IS ONE VACANCY DUE TO A RECOMMENDATION.

AS YOU ARE AWAY, THE, WITHDREW THEIR APPLICATION. I'M BRINGING

THIS FORWARD. >> THANK YOU MA'AM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR BOB OLSON AND I WOULD LIKE TO PREFACE THE REASON, I'VE RECEIVED OVER 60 EMAIL'S FOR JOE MCINERNEY ACTUALLY, 10, 20, 30, 40, ALMOST 60 EMAIL THAT I REALLY BELIEVE HE WOULD BE THE RIGHT GUY BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE BOARD WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF HIM, AND I DO FEEL LIKE BOB OLSON IS A GREAT GUY IN THE MIDDLE, AND HE'S AN ARCHITECT, HE'S BEEN ON THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AS BOARD CHAIR, HE HAS A REALLY GREAT BACKGROUND IN THOSE OUR COUNTY VERY WELL AND I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD GET A SECOND FOR HIM.

>> I SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? >> PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA NUMBER NINE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SUZANNE, LAUREL WAY, 32086. WELL, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MR. MCINERNEY. I TOTALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I SAW THAT HE PUT UP THAT HAD BEEN RECEIVING. I KNOW HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I GUESS, FOREVER OUR ADVISORY BOARDS HAVE KIND OF BEEN SORT OF CLOSED BOARDS, IN A WAY. THE COUNTY SEEMS TO WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE OR BE ABLE TO GET ALONG AND FOR ME, PERSONALLY, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. TO ME, A GOOD ADVISORY BOARD IS A BOARD THAT HAS DIVERSITY, SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION, YOU ARE FLESHING OUT EVERY ASPECT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT, AND YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ALL DIFFERENT WAYS . WHEN YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT IS ALL IN UNISON, THEY TEND TO THINK ALIKE, YOU COME INTO THE MEETING AND REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO COME IN WITH PRECONCEIVED, YOU DO. AND HONESTLY, THAT BOARD, I'VE WATCHED IT THROUGH THE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN SOME HORRIBLE BOARDS AND THERE'S BEEN SOME OKAY BOARDS. THE BOARD WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I THINK IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT I REALLY THINK JOE WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THAT AND THE FACT IS, THEY DON'T MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION. THEY ARE TRYING TO COLLECT AS MANY FACTS AND FLESH AS MANY THINGS OUT FOR YOU ALL, AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN , BEFORE IT GETS TO YOU, AND THEN YOU HAVE A GOOD STARTING POINT, FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS. JOE HAS BEEN TO JUST ABOUT EVERY MEETING I'VE EVER SEEN AT PZA AND THE BOARD. HE KNOWS THE WORKINGS OF OUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOVERNMENT . HE COULD SIT AT THAT CHAIR AND HAVE VERY LITTLE LEARNING CURVE AND HIT THE ROAD RUNNING. HE ALWAYS HAS HIMSELF VERY WELL PREPARED. I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIM BUT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN HE HAS REALLY ALERTED ME TO SOME THINGS THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF SO I COULD LOOK DEEPER, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE YOUR BOARD, YOU CAN CHOOSE WHO YOU WANT BUT THAT'S MY OPINION AND THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI, I'M JOE RYAN, STANDISH DRIVE. CAN I GET THIS ON HERE? SO THESE ARE ROBERT OLSON'S

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QUALIFICATIONS AND YOU'VE ALL SEEN THESE. I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF YOU AND YOU'VE ALL SEEN THESE. SO I SUPPORT ROBERT OLSON TO BE ON THE PZA BOARD. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH THAT JOE MCINERNEY WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO PASS ON ROBERT OLSON AND GET THE RESULT OF ANOTHER CANDIDATE WHO SELECTED WHO'S NOT JOE MCINERNEY OR OLSON, SURPASSING ON ROBERT OLSON, I THINK WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE.

AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, THE OTHER PERSON WHO IS LIKELY TO BE LIKELY TO BE NOMINATED IS MR. WILLIAMS. HE HAS SERVED ON THE PZA BOARD . HE WILL PROBABLY GET SOME HEARING. BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER, HIS LARGEST DONOR WAS MR. GERALD STEEN AND HIS COMPANIES IN OUR GROUP. AND THAT INDICATES THAT HE HAS BEEN VERY AMENABLE TO DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE NEED IS SOMEBODY WHO IS EITHER EVENHANDED AND NOT PRO-ENDORSEMENT OR AGAINST IT.

THE PZA SHOULD BE ACTUALLY A GATEWAY THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS OUT OF ORDER AND UNAVAILABLE, THE PZA SHOULD POINT THAT OUT BY NOT APPROVING IT. AND ALSO MR. OLSON, HIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR COMMISSIONER IT WAS THE LARGEST OCCUPATION GROUP, SO I DON'T THINK PASSING ON ROBERT OLSON WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, I WISH WE HAD NOMINATED JOE MCINERNEY FIRST AND THEN HAD ROBERT OLSON SECOND, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT EITHER OF THOSE TWO AND THE MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR NOW FOR ROBERT OLSON, SO I HOPE YOU APPROVE THAT, THANKS.

>> I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE MR. OLSON ON THE CULTURAL BOARD AND IS ALWAYS THOUGHTFUL, HE'S QUIET AND UNASSUMING AND STILL WATERS RUN DEEP. I THINK HE WILL MAKE A GOOD MEMBER OF THE PZA. I ALSO REALLY LIKE MR. MCINERNEY AND I WISH HE WOULD RUN FOR COMMISSIONER . AND HE'S A FINE GENTLEMAN. HE KNOWS HIS STUFF. BUT I CAN COUNT AND SO CAN YOU, SO I THINK AS A CONSENSUS BUILDER, BOB OLSON WOULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE, BASED UPON, WELL, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE SAID, YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT WITH THE ARMY YOU'VE GOT. I THINK MR. OLSON WOULD DO A GOOD JOB.

HE KNOWS HIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND HE KNOWS HIS ARCHITECTURE AND I THINK HE WOULD BE AN ASSET. BUT I ALSO LIKE MR. MCINERNEY. AND THE OTHER CANDIDATE WAS IN THE ROOM IS A FINE FELLOW AND THE ONLY REASON HE LOST WHEN HE ROUND -- RAN FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS HE WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE DEVELOPERS IN DAVID SHORE. I THINK WILLIAMS IS A FINE PERSON AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD COUNTY COMMISSIONER ALSO BUT YOU'VE GOT YOUR WORK CUT OUT WITH YOU. I THINK I KNOW HOW

IT'S GOING TO GO, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> SEEING THEN, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> I MET WITH ROBERT OLSON YESTERDAY AND I LIKED HIM.

ANYBODY WITH A DEGREE FROM HARVARD IS HIGHLY INTELLIGENT. I WONDER IF DICK WILLIAMS DOESN'T RECEIVE A --

>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY, ANYTHING?

>> OH, COMMISSIONER ON A -- >> I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER

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WHITEHURST. I THINK MR. WILLIAMS HAS SERVED ON PZA BEFORE. I'VE WORKED WITH HIM EXTENSIVELY AND I THINK MR. MURPHY HAS, TOO. I KNOW HIS HEART FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW HIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ON THE PZA. I THINK HE WOULD ALSO HIT THE

GROUND RUNNING >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> I WAS JUST REALLY TRYING TO FIND, SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A BALANCED PRO-DEVELOPER, PRO-SLOW THE GROWTH BOARD, AND WHEN I MET WITH BOB OLSON, HE JUST SEEMED LIKE HE WOULD BE FAIR AND LOOK AT BOTH SIDES. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE IF HE GOES WITH ONE SIDE ONE TIME, AND OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER. I GOT A GOOD FEELING FROM HIM AND THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE, SO LET'S VOTE IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS.

>> JUST ONE MORE. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY.

>> I STRUGGLD WITH THIS ONE. WE HAVE SOME AMAZING APPLICANTS FOR THE PZA . MY HOPES IS WHEN I GO FORWARD, THE ONES THAT AREN'T SELECTED WOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THEIR HAT IN THE RING FOR THE

NEXT AVAILABLE SPOT OPEN. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE. ONE MORE. ONLY HAVE FOUR VOTES HERE. SOMEONE HASN'T VOTED. THAT

[10. Consider appointment to the Industrial Development Authority. Currently, there is (1) vacancy on the Industrial Development Authority (IDA) due to the resignation of Kevin Kennedy. A vacancy ad was posted and ran for approx. (30) days. Please see attached for your review and consideration, a recommendation letter from the IDA and (7) applications: Dirk Lobenbruck Dist. 1, Sarah Hoff Dist. 2, Susan Phillips Dist. 2, Nick Primrose Dist. 2, Tony Mazullo Dist 4, Michael Kelly Dist. 5, Gloreatha Scurry Smith Dist. 5 ]

PASSES 4-1. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. OLSON. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ONE . I KNOW, SHELBY, YOU ARE NERVOUS. YOU ARE DOING GOOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE VACANCY TO TO A RESIGNATION. VACANCY WAS POSTED AND RAN FOR 30 DAYS. PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHMENT AND LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR REVIEW.

>> WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POINT SUSAN PHILLIPS TO THE AUTHORITY FOR A TERM SET TO EXPIRE OCTOBER 1ST, 2028.

>> SECOND. >> THIRD.

>> CUT A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

10. >> ARE YOU MOVING THIS WAY OR ARE YOU JUST WALKING ACROSS? OKAY. SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT

WE WILL CLOSE. >> WE'VE GOT A MOTION ON THE

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TABLE, LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, SHELBY. AND NOW WE ARE TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, AND YOU GUYS MIND IF I GO FIRST?

>> NOT AT ALL. >> I HAVE A LITTLE VIDEO THAT I THOUGHT WAS FANTASTIC AND IT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE, SO GO

AHEAD, TYLER. >> VETERANS OF ALL AGES IS A FACILITY THAT HOME AGAIN, ST. JOHN'S, PARTNERED WITH THE VETERANS COUNCIL TO PURCHASE. WE WERE ABLE TO FIND OUT THAT THIS OWNER, THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF OLD TOWN AND WAS ABOUT TO PUT THIS MOTEL ON THE MARKET. IT HAS GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY, THE VETERANS COUNCIL AND ST. JOHN'S TO TAKE ABOUT 20 VETERANS, HOMELESS VETERANS OFF THE STREET THAT NORMALLY WE WERE HAVING TO PUT THEM UP IN MOTELS AND HOUSE THEM IN OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES, SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THEM WERE STAYING. IT'S BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM THE SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT THEY