[Call to Order by Chair] [00:00:14] LET'S -- WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE LET'S HAVE THE ROLL CALL. >> CHAIR COMMISSIONER KRISTA JOSEPH. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CLAY MURPHY. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER ANN TAYLOR. >> PRESENT. >> THANK YOU IF YOU WOULD CALL PLEASE STAND WITH US AS WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION FROM FATHER CHRISTOPHER KNIGHT FROM OUR LADY OF THE STAR CATHOLIC CHURCH. >> ALL MIGHTY GOD I ASK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR BLESSINGS UPON ALL THOSE PRESENT, THAT YOU GIVE THEM THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT AS THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR COUNTY PARTICULARLY HERE IN ST. JOHNS, THAT YOU CAN INSPIRE THEIR HEARTS SO THAT THEY MAY SERVE YOU IN THAT MODEL OF SERVANT LEADERSHIP. AMEN. >> PLEASE REMAIN STANDING AS WE HONOR OUR COUNTRY BY SAYING A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. MR. JOE MCDERMOTT, SERGEANT MAJOR, UNITED STATES ARMY. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. PLEASE PLEDGE TO OUR COUNTRY THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. GOD BLESS AMERICA. >> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. [Proclamation Recognizing Foster Parent Appreciation Month ] WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION, MR. ARNOLD. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAY THAT. EVERY TIME I COME DOWN HERE IT'S GOOD MORNING. FOR OUR FIRST NIGHT MEETING I THINK IN OVER A DECADE I AM THRILLED TO SEE THE TURNOUT. THIS IS AMAZING. SO TO GET ON WITH BUSINESS, IT IS MY HONOR TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING THIS AS FOSTER PARENT APPRECIATION MONTH. SO IF MICHELLE AND JESSICA AND KATHY COULD COME TO THE FRONT OF THE AUDITORIUM AND ANYONE ELSE WHO IS HERE TO RECEIVE THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF FOSTER PARENT APPRECIATION MONTH. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTIES'S FAMILY AND INTEGRITY PROGRAM MAKES ALL EFFORTS TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY SERVICES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF FAMILIES EXPERIENCING CRISIS AND SAFELY MAINTAIN CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES, AND WHEREAS A CHILD WHO CANNOT SAFELY REMAIN IN THEIR HOME AND WHO HAS NO OTHER PLACEMENT OPTIONS WILL ENTER FOSTER CARE, AND WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S FOSTER FAMILIES ARE DEDICATED PEOPLE WHO ARE PRIVILEGED TO PROVIDE LOVING, NURTURING HOMES FOR CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO ACHIEVE THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOMES FOR CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES, AND, WHEREAS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY FAMILY INTEGRITY PROGRAM THISZ ALL OUR LOCAL FAMILIES WHO HAVE OPENED THEIR HEARTS AND HOMES TO OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES DURING THEIR GREATEST TIME OF NEED. AND NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT MAY 2025 BE DESIGNATED AS FOSTER PARENT APPRECIATION MONTH, ENCOURAGING ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN IN THE EFFORT TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF FOSTER PARENTS. ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 20TH DAY OF MAY, 2025. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. KATHY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TAKE THE AWARD? >> HI, MY NAME IS KATHY KELLY. I HAVE BEEN A FOSTER MOM SINCE 2012. WE HAVE FOSTERED CHILDREN THROUGH LONG- TERM CARE, SHORT- TERM CARE AND RESPITE CARE AND I THINK WE ARE ON NUMBER 50. WE HAVE ADOPTED SEVEN -- >> YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET A CALL FOR A CHILD IN OUR HOME SOMETIMES WE GET A GLIMPSE OF WHAT THE TRAUMA THAT HAS LED TO THE REMOVAL. EVERY CHILD THAT I HAVE EVER HAD A CALL I REMEMBER THEIR SITUATION. WE'VE GOTTEN SOME PRETTY CRAZY CALLS, GOTTEN CALLS FOR CHILDREN WHO ARE SEX TRAFFICKED, WE'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM CHILDREN WHO HAVE WITNESSED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, MOST OF THE TIME RELATED TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE. WE EVEN GOT A CALL ONE TIME FOR A LITTLE GIRL WHO WAS EIGHT WHO HAD COME FROM PHILADELPHIA FOR A MOTHER/DAUGHTER -- I MEAN A FATHER/DAUGHTER VACATION AND THEY GOT TO THE HOTEL AND HE DIED OF A HEART ATTACK. AND SO I KNEW THAT WHEN [00:05:03] THEY PLACED HER THEY SAID YOU CANNOT TELL HER THAT HE PASSED AWAY BECAUSE THE MOM HAS TO CATCH A FLIGHT FROM PHILADELPHIA. SO THAT NIGHT MY GOAL WAS TO MAKE THE GIRL FEEL SAFE AND LET HER HAVE THE MOST FUN OF HER LIFE BECAUSE THE NEXT DAY HER LIFE WAS GOING TO CHANGE. WE GOT A CALL ONE TIME FOR A 13-YEAR- OLD BOY WHO WAS SEVERELY NEGLECTED, HE WAS ABOUT A WEEK AWAY FROM DYING, STARVATION, HE WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR, DIAPERS, 13 YEARS OLD. HE HAD NOT BEEN IN SCHOOL. AND SO WE -- WE TOOK HIM, I ENDED UP ADOPTING HIM, HIS FAVORITE THING NOW IS ROCK CLIMBING AND HE JUST RECENTLY BARELY PASSED ALGEBRA. ALL THAT TO SAY EACH TIME WE FOSTER I ALWAYS SAY, WELL, THIS WILL BE PROBABLY OUR LAST CHILD AND THEN WE GET ANOTHER CALL AND IT'S LIKE ONE MORE, ONE MORE. AND PEOPLE ASK ME ALL THE TIME HOW DO YOU DO IT AND I THINK HOW DO I NOT DO IT? BECAUSE THERE'S SOME EXTRAORDINARY KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW WE DO IT IS BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS. OUR COMMUNITY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY IS AMAZING. WHEN WE GET CALLS WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GENEROUS. WITHIN AN HOUR OF TAKING THE LITTLE KID FROM THE HOSPITAL WE HAD -- OUR CHURCH HAD DONATED A RAMP, THE STUFF THAT WE NEEDED FOR TOILETING. CHURCHES ALL OVER THIS COMMUNITY THAT JUST THIS COMMUNITY IS SUCH A BIG SUPPORTER. SO THAT I'M SUPER THANKFUL FOR ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THIS BECAUSE THE KIDS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE AWESOME. >> WELL, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE WORK YOU DO FOR THE CHILDREN IN THIS COMMUNITY AND IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS PROCLAMATION. [Proclamation Recognizing Problem-Solving Court Month ] >> NEXT WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION BY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. IT IS SO WONDERFUL TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THIS EVENING AND TO BE HERE, HAVING AN EVENING MEETING IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND I HEARD FROM SO MANY RESIDENTS DURING MY CAMPAIGN THAT WE WISH THAT THERE WAS AN EVENING MEETING BECAUSE SO MANY OF US WORK AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO COME. SO I'M SO HAPPY THAT MANY OF YOU COULD BE HERE TONIGHT AND I'M JUST SO EXCITED TO CELEBRATE OUR FIRST EVENING MEETING. I AM HONORED TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE PROBLEM- SOLVING COURT MONTH. I'D LOVE TO CALL JUDGE CHRISTINI UP. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. WHEREAS PROBLEM- SOLVING COURTS HAVE BEEN RESTORING LIVES, REUNITING FAMILIES AND MAKING COMMUNITIES SAFER FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS, AND WHEREAS SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY DRUG COURT IN 2002, 322 INDIVIDUALS CHARGED WITH DRUG- RELATED OFFENSES HAVE COMPLETED PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS. AND WHEREAS SINCE 2017 WHEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY VETERANS COURT BEGAN, 122 JUSTICE- INVOLVED VETERANS HAVE COMPLETED PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS. AND WHEREAS JUDGES, ATTORNEYS, TREATMENT AND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, COMMUNITY SUPERVISION PERSONNEL, RESEARCHERS AND EDUCATORS JOIN TO FORM HEALING COMMUNITIES. AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT THE MONTH OF MAY 2025 BE DESIGNATED AS PROBLEM- SOLVING COURT, URGING CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF PROBLEM- SOLVING COURTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF KPOUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 20TH DAY OF MAY, 2025. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 20TH DAY OF MAY, 2025. >> THANK YOU. I RUN THE DRUG COURT. JUDGE MCGILLEN COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT BUT JUDGE MCGILLEN SAT IN WHEN HE BECAME A JUDGE A FEW YEARS AGO ON MY DRUG COURT, WATCHED HOW IT OPERATED FOR A WHILE AND HE STARTED VETERANS [00:10:02] COURT, A RETIRED LIEUTENANT COLONEL FROM THE AIR FORCE BILL DUDLEY IS HERE REPRESENTING VETERANS COURT TODAY. BRIEFLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS WE TAKE FELONY OFFENDERS OFF THE FELONY -- USUALLY VIOLATION OF PROBATION DOCKETS. WE ARE A TEAM LED BY MYSELF. WE HAVE PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE HELPING FROM LEGAL AID AND WE HAVE PROSECUTORS AND DEFENSE LAWYERS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WE HAVE PROBATION OFFICERS. WE HAVE COPS OFF THE STREET THAT ARE PART OF OUR PROGRAM, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WE HAVE SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER TREATMENT PROFESSIONALS. WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE FOLKS ARE VIOLATING PROBATION, GETTING INTO A CRIMINAL OFFENSES, REPEATEDLY BECAUSE THEY'RE SUBSTANCE USE ADDICTED. A JUDGE RUNS OUT OF OPTIONS AFTER A COUPLE VIOLATIONS OF PROBATION AND HE HAS TO SEND THESE FOLKS TO PRISON OR THERE IS NO GOOD TREATMENT. WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THESE FELONY OFFENDERS, MOST ARE HEADED FOR THE STATE PENITENTIARY BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE SCORING OUT ON THE GUIDELINES. WE BRING THEM INTO DRUG COURT OR VETERANS COURT CASE THEY BRING THEM INTO VETERANS COURT AND THEY COME TO COURT REGULARLY, THEY ARE CLOSELY MONITORED, THEY ARE GIVEN A LOT OF RANDOM BUT FREQUENT DRUG -- DRUG TESTING. THEY GET INDIVIDUAL COUNSELING, THEY GO TO GROUP COUNSELING, THEY DO NAAA, THEY DO RECOVERY PROGRAM MEETINGS, THEY PAY FEES AND MOSTLY UNLESS THEY'RE DISABLED THEY GET A JOB, AND THEY GET A REAL JOB, AND THEY PAY TAXES AND THEY PAY RESTITUTION TO THEIR VICTIMS VIRTUALLY EVERY CASE WAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, OUR PEOPLE ARE PAYING COURT COSTS, PAYING RESTITUTION TO THEIR VICTIMS, AND WHEN THEY MESS UP AND ADDICTED FOLKS ARE GOING TO MESS UP SOME ON THE TRAIL, INSTEAD OF RUNNING OUT OF THOSE OPTIONS MAYBE I JUST GIVE THEM A FEW DAYS IN JAIL SO THEY REMEMBER HOW THEY GOT THERE, THEN I BRING THEM BACK OUT, WHAT DO I DO? I GIVE THEM MORE COUNSELING, MORE TREATMENT, MORE TESTING AND EVENTUALLY MOST OF THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO SOBER UP LONG ENOUGH THAT WE KEEP THEM -- LONG ENOUGH SOBER TO GET PHYSIOLOGICAL HEALING. THEIR BRAINS HEAL UP AND THEN ALL OF THAT KNOWLEDGE WE'RE GIVING THEM WITH ALL OF THAT INDIVIDUAL COUNSELING AND GROUP COUNSELING, THAT STARTS TO STICK. NOW THEY MAINTAIN THAT JOB, NOW THEY GE THAT VISITATION BACK, THEY GET THAT CUSTODY BACK, THEY GET THAT HEALTHY BABY BORN, THEY'VE GOT THAT CAR, THEY'VE GOT THAT -- THEY REACH A POINT THEY DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE. AND THEN YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT THEM INTO SUCCESSFUL RECOVERY. THE RESULT IS INSTEAD OF A RECIDIVISM RATE OF THESE KIND OF OFFENDERS HAD THEY GONE TO PRISON INTO THE 70 PERCENTILES, HISTORICALLY OUR RECIDIVISM RATES ARE LESS THAN 20% AND WE DO IT FOR HALF THE COST. OUR÷÷ VETERANS COURT PROK PROGRAM HAS EVEN BETTER STATISTICS. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE FOR SO MANY YEARS, THEY STILL ARE. I TALKED TO ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE COMMISSIONERS -- I TALKED TO ALL OF THEM BEFORE. SOMETIMES THEY COME TO MY GRADUATIONS THEY ALWAYS ASK ME HOW PEOPLE ARE DOING. THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT. YOU'RE CHANGING LIVES AND YOU'RE SAVING LIVES. [Proclamation Recognizing National Historic Preservation Month] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M NOW PROUD TO PRESENT THE PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. IF I COULD INVITE DR. LESLIE KEYS AND HER ENTOURAGE, PLEASE. PLEASE, COME FORWARD. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS THE NATIONAL TRUTS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ESTABLISHED MAY AS HISTORIC PRESERVATION WEEK WHICH BEGAN IN 1973, LATER EXTENDING CELEBRATION TO NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH IN 2005. WITH THIS YEAR MARKING THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY AND WHEREAS NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH IS A TIME DEDICATED TO HONORING, CELEBRATING AND RAISING AWARENESS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING OUR NATION'S HISTORIC PLACES AND COMMUNITIES. TO PLEDGE THE PROTECTION OF OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE IN POSTERITY AND WHEREAS NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVTION MONTH IS A CHANCE TO SHOW WHY HISTORIC PRESERVATION MATTERS AND IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE IMPACT THAT IT CREATES, INCLUDING HOW PROTECTED PLACES SPARK JOY, INSPIRE WONDER AND CONNECT US TO OUR SHARED HISTORY IN WAYS THAT SHAPE OUR FUTURE. AND WHEREAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS YEAR'S THEME IS [00:15:01] POWER OF PLACE, WHICH INCLUDES THE COUNTLESS WAYS BIG AND SMALL THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IMPACTS AND STRENGTHENS COMMUNITIES, BREATHES NEW LIFE INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, SUPPORTS A HEALTHIER PLANET AND BUILDS A MORE JUST AND CONNECTED SOCIETY. AND NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT MAY 2025 BE DEZ NATED AS NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 20TH DAY OF MAY, 2025. >> HELLO. TWO YEARS AGO -- ACTUALLY, I TAKE THAT BACK -- FOUR YEARS AGO I WAS HERE IN 2021 FOR THE COUNTY'S 200TH ANNIVERSARY TO MAKE SOME REMARKS. AT THAT TIME ST. JOHNS WAS THE STATE'S FIRST COUNTY WHICH WAS THE ENTIRE PENINSULA OF FLORIDA. THANKS FOR YESTERDAY AND HELPING KEEP SOME OF THAT PENINSULA REAL SAFE. TODAY I'M HERE AS THE CHAIR OF A CULTURAL RESOURCE BOARD ESTABLISHED IN 1999 BY THE COUNTY COMMISH. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE VICE CHAIRS SUSAN SHELL -- DROP, BLARE KNIGHTING, CHRIS NEWMAN, ROBERT OLSEN AND SALLY O'HARE FROM HASTINGS MAIN STREET IS HERE AND THE STAFF LIAISON. IN 2014 ST. JOHNS BECAME FLORIDA'S FIRST COUNTY TO BE DESIGNATED AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, A LOCAL STATE FEDERAL PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS ENABLED TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND PROVIDED FUNDS FOR SEVERAL PROJECTS. OVER THIS TIME FRAME THE BCC HAS RECEIVED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD THAT INCLUDE RECOGNIZING PROJECTS IN EVERY PART OF THE COUNTY. WEST AUGUSTINE'S SUNNY SIDE ON WEST KING STREET, IN NORTHWEST COUNTY THE MERRYWOOD, ALL PINE GROVES PARK, STETSON KENNEDY PARK AND 1975 CABIN AND THE HEARTILY STORE WHICH IS 95 YEARS OLD THIS YEAR. AT THE BEACHES THE ARTHUR HOUSE AND ALLEN NORTHEAST HOUSE. THE ROMA RESTAURANT, THE MAGIC BEACH HOTEL, HALEY'S COURT SIGN AND BLUE BIRD OF HAPPINESS STATUE AT THE PIER. IN SOUTH COUNTY THE MALL FRIDAY CHURCH, KELLY OWE BRIAN HOUSE AND A VESTIGE OF THE DIXIE HIGHWAY. AT SUMMER HAVEN THE NATIONAL MONUMENT INCLUDING THE HEADQUARTERS IN THE VISITORS CENTER LOOK EASTWARD FOR A VIEW OF THE MELON FAMILY COMPOUND KNOWN AS THE HUT AND LODGE. IN HASTINGS OUR NEWEST MAIN STREET THE FORMER HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL AND JAIL ARE LOCAL LANDMARKS. WE THANK YOU FOR HELPING TO PRESERVE ALL OF THESE AND THANKS FOR THE JAIL AND THE DETENTION CENTER AS WELL. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. [Proclamation Recognizing Public Works Week] >> WHEN YOU SET THE MICROPHONE FOR YOU, NOT ME, I'M WAY DOWN HERE. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING THE PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK AND THEY ARE ALREADY ON THEIR WAY DOWN. MR. GREG CALDWELL, BEN BRIGHT, ALL FOLKS FROM PUBLIC WORKS, PLEASE JOIN ME ON THE FLOOR. MS. KELLER, PLEASE READ THE PROCLAMATION. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES AND SERVICES THAT ARE OF VITAL IMPORTANCE TO SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES AND TO PUBLIC HEALTH, HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELL- BEING OF THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND WHEREAS THESE INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES AND SERVICES COULD NOT BE PROVIDED WITHOUT THE DEDICATED EFFORTS OF PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE ENGINEERS, MANAGERS AND EMPLOYEES AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR,AND WHEREAS IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR THE CITIZENS, CIVIC LEADERS AND CHILDREN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE OF AND MAINTAIN AN ONGOING INTEREST AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAMS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS THE YEAR 2025 MARKS THE 65TH ANNUAL NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK SPONSORED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION AND CANADIAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY DO HEREBY DESIGNATE THE WEEK OF MAY 18TH THROUGH THE 2024TH, 2025 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK, A TIME TO PAY TRIBUTE TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS, ENGINEERS, MANAGERS, EMPLOYEES AND TO RECOGNIZE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTIONS THEY MAKE TO PROTECTING OUR NATIONAL [00:20:01] HEALTH, SAFETY AND ADVANCING QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS 20TH DAY OF MAY, 2025. >> THANK YOU. FOUR PROCLAMATIONS. WELL DONE. WE HAVE ABOUT 1,000 MILES OF ROADWAY, WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF MILES OF DRAINAGE PIPES, OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS, THE SOLID WASTE COLLECTION. IT'S ALL OVERSEEN, CONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED BY SOME OF THE MEN AND WOMEN STANDING BEHIND ME AND THE HUNDREDS OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK FOR PUBLIC WORKS. THEY ARE OVERWORKED, PROBABLY UNDERPAID AND RARELY THANKED, BUT THEY KEEP THIS VAST INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MOST OF US REALLY TAKE FOR GRANTED RUNNING AT AN OPTIMAL LEVEL. WE SHOULD ALWAYS THANK THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY, BUT I AM REALLY PLEASED THAT I HAD THE PLEASURE OF HANDING OFF THIS PROCLAMATION TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO KEEP OUR COUNTY RUNNING SO WELL. SO THANK YOU TO PUBLIC WORKS AND BEN BRIGHT. IF YOU WOULD COME ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSONER. THE THEME FOR THIS YEAR'S PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IS PEOPLE, PURPOSE AND PRESENCE. SO THAT RESONATES WITH US AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. OUR PEOPLE ARE OUR GREATEST RESOURCE SO WE LIKE THAT BEING FIRST. WE HAVE A PURPOSE. WE WORK EVERY DAY TO MAKE OUR COUNTY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. AND LASTLY WE HAVE A PRESENCE SO WE HAVE STAFF EVERY DAY WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY TO FILL POTHOLES, MOW GRASS, REPAIR SIGNALS, FIX SIGNS, COLLECT GARBAGE AND BUILD THE COUNTY'S ROADS, BRIDGES, PARKS AND COUNTY BUILDINGS. SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR SUPPORT RECOGNIZING THE HARD WORK DONE BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF AND FOR PROCLAIMING THIS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK. [Acceptance of Proclamations ] >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS. >> SO MOVED. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AND THAT MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BEFORE WE GET TO THE DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR CHAIR IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, SHE'S HAD A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, SHE IS WITH US BY PHONE. CHAIR JOSEPH, WE ARE SO GLAD YOU ARE HERE. WE SEND OUR PRAYERS TO YOU [Deletions to Consent Agenda] AND YOUR FAMILY. IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED. AND WITH THAT I WOULD ASK YOU, PLEASE, DO YOU HAVE ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ACKNOWLEDGING MY ISSUE AND I WANT TO BE THERE. I'M WITH MY FAMILY IN SAN ANTONIO AND MY SON IS DOING MUCH BETTER AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING OVER AND IT'S FUN TO WATCH YOU. I'M WATCHING YOU NOW. ANYWAY, NO, I HAVE NOTHING -- NO DELETION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER. >> I HAVE NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> MS. ARNOLD. >> NONE, MR. CHAIR. >> MS. TAILER. >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 16, PLEASE. >> AGENDA ITEM 16, WE HAD ADD THAT TO OUR AGENDA ITEM 4. IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY? [Approval of Consent Agenda ] >> OKAY. I HAVE NO -- NONE, SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. >> I WILL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN -- >> WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST, SIR. >> OH, BOY. THANKS. >> WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU NEED TO DESIGNATE A VICE CHAIR FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING. >> OH, GREAT IDEA. COMMISSIONER ANN TAYLOR IS DESIGNATED THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING AND AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA -- ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> OKAY. AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. WE DON'T SEE ANY. YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD. OH, NEVER MIND. >> I CAME UP THE OTHER WAY. JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON ITEM 16, WILL THERE BE A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY SPEAK ON THAT, THEN? OKAY. I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK NOW, THEN. THANK YOU. [00:25:04] >> YES. YES. SO, YES, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO ACCEPT THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda] >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AND OPPOSED. >> AYE. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. MR. WHITEHURST. >> I HAVE NONE, MR. CHAIR. >> MS. ARNOLD. >> NONE, MR. CHAIR. >> MS. TAYLOR. >> I HAVE NONE. >> AND I FORGOT, COMMISSIONER KEATING. >> JOSEPH. >> JOSEPH, SORRY. >> NONE, SIR. >> OKAY. AND I HAVE NONE. [Approval of Regular Agenda ] >> MOVE APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> [Public Comment ] AYE. >> AND OPPOSED. >> AYE. >> REGULAR AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED. WE WILL NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> GREAT. SO AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. WHEN ADDRESSING THE BOARD PLEASE COME TO ONE OF THREE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WE ASK THAT YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. SPEAKERS WILL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF CIVILITY AND DECORUM. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS. SPEAKERS MAY NOT DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON WILL ADDRESS THE BOARD ABOUT PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WILL REFRAIN FROM A DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS. ANY PERSON THAT FAILS TO COMPLY MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE AUDITORIUM. AND THEN FINALLY IF ANY SPEAKER WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MATERIALS, PLEASE UTILIZE THE CENTER PODIUM, PAPER MATERIALS CAN BE ON THE X FOR OUR OVERHEAD CAMERA TO DISPLAY AND A LAP TO BE WILL BE SET UP FOR USB PRESENTATIONS. AFTER PRESENTING, PLEASE PROVIDE THE MATERIALS TO THE STAFF AND THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD. >> MY NAME IS JOHN BRAT AND I LIVE AT 215 MIMOSA ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE, SOUTH. THIS IS MY WIFE, PAMELA, OF 46 YEARS. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR THINKING THAT HE CAN RUN HIS COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND PUT COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT LIGHTING IN OUR BACKYARD. IT'S DISTRAUGHT TO MY WIFE, SHE HAS MIGRAINES AND IS LIGHT SENSITIVE AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT TO HAVE THIS KIND OF LIGHT IN OUR YARD. IN MY ATTEMPTS TO NAVIGATE THROUGH ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S CODES, REGULATIONS AND LAWS, I SEE THE TURTLES HAVE A GREAT SETUP. NO LIGHTS GO TO THE TURTLES, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE TURTLES, THAT'S GREAT. TODAY I WANT TO BE A TURTLE. I WANT TO BE PROTECTED FROM LIGHT. I DON'T CARE HOW HE LIGHTS HIS YARD, I JUST DON'T WANT HIM FLOOD LIGHTING MY YARD AND HE IS DOING IT INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE HE'S RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF HIS YARD. WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT, WE CONTACTED CODE, UNFORTUNATELY ST. JOHNS COUNTY WON'T ALLOW YOU TO ANONYMOUSLY CONTACT CODE. SO WHEN WE CONTACTED CODE, HE WENT OFF THE CHARTS. THE THINGS E HAS DONE TO US, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO TELL YOU AND IT'S NOT GOING TO END. HE TOLD US POINT- BLANK HE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THINGS UNTIL WE MOVE. THE ONLY THING I WANT IS NOT TO HAVE BRIGHT LIGHTS IN OUR YARD AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN UNREASONABLE THING TO ASK FOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE OWLS ALL OVER OUR YARD AND NOW THEY DON'T COME IN THE YARD NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE LIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT GETTING THE COUNTY TO DO THIS. I'VE TRIED, I'VE CALLED CODE. OH, NO, THAT'S CIVIL. I'VE CALLED THE BUILDING OFFICIALS, OH, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. I'M LIKE WHO DOES? I MEAN, WHO COULD HELP US JUST LIVE NORMAL? WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING SPECIAL.% WE DON'T CARE IF HE RUNS HIS AIR CONDITIONING COMPANY OUT OF VANS, ALL OF HIS DEAD, DIRTY AIR CONDITIONERS, THE FREON. I MEAN, HE PUT A FINS UP SO HE COULD GET AWAY WITH DOING THAT. WELL, WE DON'T SEE IT. OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT HE'S RUNNING A BUSINESS WITH COMMERCIAL LIGHTING IN OUR YARD AND I NEED HELP SOMEHOW TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO EITHER FINDFIND THE ANSWER OR TO CREATE A NEW SOLUTION. AND WE ARE WILLING TO DO THE STEPS IT TAKES TO CREATE A NEW SOLUTION TO MAKE US LIKE TURTLES BECAUSE WE JUST WANT NORMAL LIFE, NOT THIS. SO YOU GUYS AS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE POWER AND I'M GOING TO SET UP A MEETINGWITH OUR -- OUR ZONE COMMISSIONER AND I BELIEVE THAT'S CLAY MURPHY FOR ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH AND I'M GOING TO SET UP A MEETING WITH HIM [00:30:03] TO TAKE THIS FURTHER, UNLESS SOMEBODY HERE IN THIS AUDITORIUM OR HERE AT THE BOARD CAN TELL ME IS THERE SOMETHING TO PROTECT YOU FROM OBSESSIVE LIGHTING IN YARD? DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF A LIGHT POLLUTION ORDINANCE? THEY HAVE THEM IN OTHER COUNTIES. THEY HAVE IN OTHER CITIES. >> THANK YOU. SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> RICK NORWOOD, 3460 OLD MA LRCHLTS TRY ROAD. MY SEEN SEAR THANKS GO OUT TO COMMISSIONER MURPHY FOR HIS SUPPORT AND RECOGNITION OF THE DAMAGES I SUSTAINED THROUGH A PUBLIC WORKS FIASCO TAKING PLACE NEARLY THREE YEARS AGO IN OUR DISTRICT. I SUSTAINED THROUGH A PUBLIC WORKS -- I'M SORRY. THE CAUSE AND EFFECTS OF THAT TRAVESTY HAVE BEEN EXTENSIVELY COVERED IN SEVERAL OF THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS SINCE JANUARY 17, 2023. WHAT IS LASTLY RELEVANT IS THAT IT HAS COST ME $47,328. 78 OUT OF MY SAVINGS TO RECOVER FROM THAT DEVASTATING LOSS OF PRIVATE LAND, NATURAL EROSION CONTROL, WONDERFUL PRIVACY AND EITHER MY CREDIBILITY AS A 23- YEAR RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. COMMISSIONER MURPHY FIRST ARRANGED A MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 30TH WITH HIMSELF, COUNTY ATTORNEY RICH KOMANDO AND I TO DISCUSS THE PROBLEM OF COST REIMBURSEMENT TO ME BY JC. A FINAL COSTING SPREADSHEET WAS SENT TO COMMISSIONER MURPHY AND ATTORNEY KOMANDO. A MOTION BY MURPHY, SECONDED BY JOSEPH CARRIED 5- 0 ALLOWING RICH KOMANDO TO ENTER INTO OFFICIAL NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE BOARD'S DIRECTION TO REACH A CONCLUSION REGARDING MY REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ASKED FOR A GENERAL ESTIMATE, MR. KOMANDO BASED ON HIS OWN COSTING REVIEW PREDICTED $42,000 TO $48,000 AS AN EXPECTED RANGE OF FINAL SETTLEMENT. SINCE THEN MR. KOMANDO HAS SUGGESTED THAT I HAVE AN APPARENT CAUSE FOR A SMALL CLAIMS COURT LAWSUIT AGAINST MY INITIAL RETAINING LAW CONTRACTOR FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT. I AGREED. SO IN GOOD FAITH OF A FAIR AND JUST SETTLEMENT I DROPPED MY DEMAND BY $3,328. 78 TO AN EVEN $44,000. THAT AMOUNT IS NOW FINAL. IT IS MY CURRENT UNDERSTANDING THAT BOTH COMMISSIONER MURPHY AND MR. KOMANDO ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT 44K SHOULD BE AGENDIZED FOR A VOTE AT THE EARLIER OPPORTUNITY. I AM ENTHUSIASTICALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS ACTION IN FULL VIEW OF THE PUBLIC SIDE AND HOPEFULLY WITHOUT REQUIRING FURTHER PUBLIC DISCOURSE OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AS THE CAUSE. HOWEVER, I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY MR. KOMANDO THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT YET SUPPORTIVE, EVEN WITH MY REDUCED DEMAND, BUT IN TURN I SHALL NOT WILLING WILLINGLY -- THERE GOES MY TIME -- WILLINGLY FUND UNRESOLVED FRAUDS BY SGC STRONG ARMING ME DUE REIMBURSEMENTS. MR. KOMANDO SUGGESTED THAT I REQUEST A MEETING WITH EACH COMMISSIONER FACE-TO- FACE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY MY OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSES AS I HAD DONE WITH HIM AND CLAY. I FORMALIZED THAT REQUEST ON MAY 12TH BUT ONLY COMMISSIONER TAYLOR RESPONDED BY GRANTING ME A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR YESTERDAY, MAY 19TH. IT WAS CANCELED AND RESCHEDULED FOR MAY 29TH. PLEASE, COMMISSIONERS, GRANT ME THE COURTESY OF MEETING AND TIME TO PRESENT YOU WITH A CONSERVATIVE COSTING AND A CONTEXT THAT MAY ENABLE YOU SJC TO RESTORE ME AS A WHOLE PERSON BY VOTING ON JUNE 17TH, 2025, I'D -- >> THANK YOU. >> -- LIKE TO ENJOY THAT STATUS. >> THANK YOU, MR. NORWOOD. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS DEBBIE DICKINSON. COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY STAFF AND ALL PRESENT, I AM THE -- >> PLEASE -- JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL. MY ADDRESS IS 413 16TH STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF NORTH BEACH COMMUNITY ALIGNS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF NBCA. >> THANK YOU. >> FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE AND GIVE RECOGNITION TO KIM KENDALL, THE AUDUBON SOCIETY, THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA AND EACH OF OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ALL WHO STOOD UP TO SAVE GUANO. I'M HERE TO CALL ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE ATTEMPTED LAND GRAB SENDS A CLEAR MESSAGE. THE SAVE GHANA OUTRAGE THAT SWELLED TO THOUSANDS SPEAKING OUT VIRTUALLY OVERNIGHT INDICATE THE TAXPAYERS ARE NO [00:35:01] LONGER WILLING TO ALLOW DEVELOPERS AND GOVERNMENT PLANS TO DOMINATE OUR COMMUNITIES. BRINGING THE LESSONS LEARNED TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT WE ASK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE TAKE NOTICE OF THE POWER THAT UNITED PEOPLE HAVE. ACCORDING TO THE MANY THAT REACH OUT TO YOU ON A REGULAR BASIS, OVER AN INAPPROPRIATE GROWTH OUR CURRENT NEMESIS IN THIS COUNTY. COMMUNITIES ARE READY TO FIGHT BACK AND DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY. THE TAXPAYERS ASK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, TO ENSURE THAT SGAC STAFF WORKS ON BEHALF OF RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITIES AND NOT ON FINDING CREATIVE WAYS TO CIRCUMVENT CODES, LIMITS AND STATUTES THAT ARE IN PLACE TO MANAGE GROWTH. WE DO NOT NEED STAFF PAVING THE WAY FOR A HORIZONTAL HOTEL PARK MODEL TO INUNDATE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND THAT IS ZONED FOR RURAL COMMERCIAL THAT IS NOT -- THAT DOES NOT ALLOW HOTEL OR RESIDENTIAL USE. OUR CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HERITAGE SUCH AS MAGIC BEACH SHOULD BE PRESERVED AS THE PROPERTY CAN BE MODERNIZED AND REPURPOSED, CREATIVE SOLUTIONS EXIST. WE DO NOT NEED AN INCREASE IN DENSITY AND HIGH- RISE BUILDINGS. THIS IS ST. AUGUSTINE, OUR HERITAGE AND WATER- CENTERED ENVIRONMENT MUST BE PROTECTED MIGHTILY. OTHERWISE GREED- DRIVEN DEVELOPMENT COULD MAKE OUR COMMUNITY UNRECOGNIZABLE AND UNDESIRABLE. IT'S TIME TO HOLD DEVELOPERS, SHORT TERM OWNERS AND STAFF TO THE CODE, STATUTES AND PROTECTION THAT LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENT AND GIVE APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF PROBLEMS INCLUDE THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN BEFORE YOU THAT APPEARS TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID MATTERS. OUR GOAL IS TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE COUNTY STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE AND ARE TRYING TO DO SO. THAT EFFORT NEEDS TO EXTEND TO US AS A COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE ARE NO LONGER WILLING TO ACCEPT THE NARRATIVE OF THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. TOGETHER WE CAN PLAN REASONABLE GROWTH AND STAY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS WE HAVE. LOOKING AT HOW THE PUBLIC ROSE UP TO SAVE GHANA PLEASE NOTE THE OVER AN INAPPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO END NOW. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS TERRENCE MAIL-IN BALLOT CURVER, I LIVE AT 809 OAKLAND AVENUE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I CAME AS A CITIZEN I'D LIKE TO PUT MY VOICE FORWARD. THIS LAST MEETING THERE WAS A REFERENDUM FOR MAKING -- REGULATING E BIKES. I AM AN E BIKE REQUIRED. MY DOG RIDES WITH ME ON E BIKE. I WEAR A HELMET. MY DOG WEARS A HELMET. CHILDREN SHOULD HAVE A HELMET. E BIKES ARE ACTUALLY NOT VAL VAL IF I HAD. THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A LAW FOR E BIKES. IT SHOULD BE WHEELED VEHICLES. E BIKES ARE ACTUALLY A BLESSING. A RACK OF BICYCLES AND E BIKES TAKES UP THE SPACE OF ONE PARKING SPACE. ALL THOSE SPACES THAT THOSETHOSE BIKES WOULD BE FORCED TO USE PARKING SPACES IN TOWN DEPRIVING TOURISTS OF THE CHANCE TO ENJOY OUR TOWN. BETWEEN 100 TO 1,000 DOLLARS EACH CAR, THAT SPACE IS BEING SAVED FOR A TOURIST, NOT SOMEONE WORKING IN THE TOWN, FORCED TO PUT THEIR VEHICLE IN THERE TO PAY FOR THEIR VEHICLE TO BE -- TAKE A NAP. BIKES ARE ACTUALLY A BLESSING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I'M REQUESTING THAT THE STIGMA OF E BIKES BE TAKEN AWAY, BUT WHEELED VEHICLES. CHILDREN, LET'S FACE T THEY'RE IDIOTS SOMETIMES, ALL RIGHT? THEY DIDN'T COME OUT BRAIN SURGEONS AND THEY MAKE MISTAKES. YES, IT IS TRAGIC AND I DO FEEL FOR THAT FAMILY, BUT WE DON'T NEED MORE LAWS TO OVERDO AND STIGMATIZE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOOD. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. [00:40:01] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. JOE MCNERNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. I ATTENDED THE BUDGET HEARINGS TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS VERY, VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERING WHAT'S CALLED THE GAS TAX, AT LEAST BY THE STATE, AS A REVENUE PRODUCING SOURCE. REALLY HEAVY TO HEAR THAT. I MADE A PRESENTATION A YEAR AGO SUGGESTING THAT THE COUNTY DO THAT AND SO I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT APPARENTLY IT'S BEEN VETTED AND MAYBE WILL BE FOLLOWED THROUGH. SO, DEAR COMMISSIONERS, WE ASK YOUR HELP IN GETTING OUR MONEY BACK, SAYS ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS AND DOGGONE IT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO MOVE FORWARD HERE. AS MY TIME RUNS DOWN, I WILL REALLY HAVE TO GO FAST NOW. YEAH. OKAY. HOW DO WE DO THAT? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE DO PAY THE SAME AS THE GAS PUMP AS DUVAL COUNTY BUT WE LEAVE 7 MILLION, LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR 8 MILLION, WE LEAVE IT ON THE TABLE. HOW DID YOU DO THAT? I'M GOING TO RUN MYSELF OUT OF TIME. OKAY. WELL, I TRIED THAT AND IT DIDN'T WORK. OKAY. SO UNREALIZED -- WE CAN ASK FOR UP TO 12%, WE ASK FOR 6% IN 2023, JESSE DUNN RESPONDED TO MYSELF, COMMISSIONER DEAN AND MS. ANDREWS BY POINTING OUT THE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN GET 12% AND HE WENT FURTHER TO SHOW THAT HIS WORDS -- HIS WORDS ARE UNREALIZED TAX REVENUE, MY WORDS ARE LEFT ON THE TABLE. WE LEFT 7 MILLION ON THE TABLE LAST YEAR, 8 MILLION THIS YEAR. SO DUVAL CONSIDERED RAISING THEIRS TO 12% IN 2021 THROUGH THE AAA'S WEBSITE. I MONITORED DAILY GAS PRICES ON AVERAGE COUNTY BY COUNTY BY COUNTY, ESPECIALLY THAT MAGIC DATE BETWEEN FRIDAY THE 31ST AND SATURDAY THE 1ST AND LOOK THERE, YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF THAT THE PRICES DID NOT SUDDENLY GO UP BECAUSE DUVAL COLLECTED MORE MONEY. IN FACT, OUR PRICES WERE HIGHER THAN DUVAL. SO, LOOK, IT'S TIME, IT REALLY S IT'S TIME. JUST IMAGINE WHAT WE CAN DO NOW WITH 8 MILLION A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS, $40 MILLION, MY GOSH, THAT WOULD MAKE A REALLY WONDERFUL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS NEST EGG FOR OURSELVES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO, LOOK, WITH NO INCREASE TO US AT THE PUMP I THINK IT'S TIME THAT THE COUNTY DOES -- AGAIN, I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE SEEN IN THE BUDGET HEARINGS THAT THE COUNTY LOOKS LIKE IT IS CONSIDERING THIS. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT REALLY MAKE THE STUDY, PASS THE ORDINANCES, SEND THE LETTER. DEAR STATE OF FLORIDA WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK. YOURS TRULY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. DAMIAN RAINY, 661 MORGANS TREASURE ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS. DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY WE'RE SMELLING A BIOMASS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AS A YOUNG MAN I HAD SOMETHING CALLED SEVERE ULCERATIVE COLITIS. I WAS BLEEDING FROM MY ANUS OVER 20 TIMES A DAY. I CAN HONESTLY SAY TO YOU WHEN I SMELL WHAT WE SMELL OUTSIDE, IT'S THE SAME AS THOSE BLOODY STOOLS WERE. WE CANNOT OPEN OUR WINDOWS IN THE SPRING, IN THE SUMMER, IN THE WINTER AND IN THE FALL. JUST LIKE YOU WE PAY OUR TAXES. 266 HOMES JUST IN OUR COMMUNITY, SOMETIMES THE AMOUNT OF TAXES PER YEAR, THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS MISTAKE SOMEBODY MADE, I THINK IT WAS THIS COMMISSION, APPROVING OUR COMMUNITY TO BE BUILT A FOOTBALL FIELD OR TWO FOOTBALL FIELDS AWAY. IN LIFE WHEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE THE FASTER YOU CORRECT YOUR MISTAKE AND SAY YOU'RE SORRY THE FASTER PEOPLE START TO FORGET EVEN WHAT HAPPENED. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. TWO YEARS AGO WE SEE INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS NOT STAYING IN COMPLIANCE FOR THE FIRST TIME. MULTIPLE ISSUES. SHAKING HEAD ISSUES. NOT LINING THE EARTH WITH CLAY SO THEY CAN PUT THESE BIOMASSES ON TOP, INSTEAD IT WAS SEEPING INTO THE GROUND. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WE SEE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOING BACK TO INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIRE. [00:45:04] THEY'RE COMING OUTS OF INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS WITH MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS. WHY IS THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT OF OURS THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT'S ABLE TO SEE THESE ISSUES? FOR SOME ISSUES U.S. COMMISSIONERS OUR ONLY HOPE WHEN MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS COME UP TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING. SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE BALANCE IN PUBLIC SAFETY. THERE IS NO HAPPY MEDIUM WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN VIOLATION DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY. THE HAPPY MEDIUM COMES WITH THE FIRST VIOLATION. YOU AS COMMISSIONERS SHOULD DECIDE DON'T EVER DO THIS AGAIN. THERE'S SEVEN DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS THAT YOU ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH. YOU GUYS HAVE A LICENSE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE VOTED ON, BUT YOU AS COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON THAT BOARD AT THIS TIME STILL ALLOWED 266 HOMES TO BE BUILT CLOSE TO THAT BIOMASS. THANK YOU. >> JAIME PARHAM, 8695 CRACKER ROAD, HEADACHESINGS. I WASN'T GOING TO MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIOMASS THING, BUT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SMELL WHEN YOU CHOSE TO LIVE NEXT TO A RECYCLE PLANT IS KIND OF LIKE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE WHEN YOU CHOSE TO MOVE NEXT TO AN AMPT. OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS THERE'S BEEN AN EFFORT TO INTENTIONALLY DIVIDE OUR COUNTY OVER THE ISSUE OF DEVELOPMENT. AS COMMISSIONERS STATED MANY TIMES BEFORE AND COMMISSIONER MURPHY REITERATED THERE ARE RULES AND LAWS THAT COMMISSIONERS MUST FOLLOW WHEN IT COMES TO CONSIDERING HOW THEY WILL VOTE ON SOMETHING. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO NOT GET DIVIDED OVER TALKING POINTS AND PROPAGANDA THAT ARE USED BY CERTAIN GROUPS WITH A PERSONAL VENDETTA AND AGENDA. WE MUST NOT ATTACK OUR COMMISSIONERS AND EACH OTHER WITH ANTIFA STYLE TACTICS OR SPREADING A LIE THAT ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THEM IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY DEVELOPERS. YOUR DILIGENCE IN THIS EFFORT WITH THE GUANA ISSUE TO SAVE PUBLIC LAND AND VOTING RECORD ON PRESERVATION LAND PROVES THOSE NARRATIVES ARE FALSE. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS DEDICATION AND HISTORY OF SUPPORTING GUANA SPEARHEADED BY HENRY DEAN. THEY ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR REAL RESULTS, NOT JUST NOISE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MURPHY FOR SHARING YOUR IN YOUR INTERVIEW AND THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTATIVE KIM KECHBDEL AND ESPECIALLY DONALD TRUMP'S CHIEF OF STAFF, SUSIE WILES, FOR THEIR PLATFORMS FOR USING THEIR PLATFORMS TO STAND WITH THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S A SHAME WE DON'T HAVE LEGITIMATE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN OUR COUNTY TO SHARE THIS VICTORY, BUT I DIGRESS. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE SMALL GROUP OF ACTIVISTS WHO MAY FROM TIME TO TIME COME HERE TO FILL UP PUBLIC COMMENT AT EVERY MEETING AND RECRUIT NEW RESIDENTS UNFAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUES DO NOT REPRESENT THE ACTUAL CROSS- SECTION OF THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. CHARLIE HUNT FROM MILL CREEK ESTATES. [00:50:52] >> YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD -- EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY, THIS IS AN EMAIL I SENT OUT, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, I NOTICED TOMORROW'S PZA MEETING FCC ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES WILL BE PRESENTING PLANS FOR A NATURAL GAS FUELING STATION WITH 72 PARKING SPOTS ON 20 AUGUST 2024 COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST MADE A MOTION AND YOU SECONDED IT AND A 5- 0 VOTE TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT OF FCC ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. IF THE CONTRACT WAS TERMINATED, WHY ARE THEY EXPANDING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. RESPECTFULLY, CHARLIE HUNT. REPLY, I DON'T SET THE AGENDA, THE CHAIR DOES. PERHAPS REACH OUT TO HER. THAT'S THE PROFESSIONALISM OF ASKING ABOUT THIS COUNTY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. >> IF WE CAN PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS DEBRA PUSHELL I LIVE AT 1160 MORGANS TREASURE ROAD AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS. PER THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE'S COMMENT, TWO GENTLEMENS BEFORE, HE SAID THAT WE SHOULDN'T COMPLAIN BECAUSE WE MOVED THERE. WELL, TWO YEARS AGO WE BOUGHT OUR HOME, WE MOVED IN LAST MAY, AND WE WERE NEVER TOLD -- I PASSED INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS COMING IN, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. MAYBE MY FAULT FOR NOT DOING DUE DILIGENCE. HOWEVER, I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THE STINK THE DAY THAT MY HUSBAND AND I WENT TO LOOK AT THE HOMES, THERE WAS NO SMELL. THE DAY THAT MY HUSBAND AND I CAME BACK THREE MONTHS LATER TO SIGN OUR PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND BUY OUR HOME, THERE WAS NO SMELL THAT DAY. WHEN I MOVED IN IN JULY, ME PERSONALLY, I KEPT SMELLING THIS SMELL AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I CALLED THE BUILDER AND SAID WHAT IS THIS? AND HE SAID IT WAS FERTILIZER ON OUR PROPERTY. HE DID NOT SAY THAT, OH, INDIAN HEAD PROCESSES BIOMASS. WE SMELL THIS STINK DAILY. I COMPLAINED TO THE FDC EVERY SINGLE TIME, THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION -- EP -- I COMPLAIN, I WRITE WHAT THE SMELL SMELLS LIKE. SOMETIMES IT SMELLS SO BAD IT'S LIKE THERE ARE A THOUSAND SPOT OF POTS NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE. YOU CAN'T GO OUT. IT MAKES YOU NAUSEOUS. IT GIVES ME HEADACHES. SOMETHING HAS TO BEBE DONE. THEIR PERMIT CANNOT BE RENEWED. NOT IF THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING. DISOBEYING THE RULES THAT ARE SET OUT FOR THEM. I'M NOT FOR CLOSING INDIAN HEAD DOWN. I'M NOT. I'M FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS SO THAT WE DON'T SMELL IT. THERE SHOULD BE NO SMELL. I CAME FROM MARYLAND. I LIVED IN MARYLAND ALL MY LIFE, 55 YEARS, BEFORE I MOVED TO MOBILE, ALABAMA, AND THEN TO HERE. THERE IS A PROCESSING PLANT IN ESSEX, MARYLAND, WHERE I LIVE. WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL WE SMELLED IT. AS I GREW OLDER THEY BUILT A -- IT LOOKS LIKE A GIANT EGG CONTAINER. NO ONE HAS EVER SMELLED IT SINCE. BIOMASS CAN DO THAT. THEY HAVE THE MONEY. THEY ARE FUNDED BY A RICH DOCTOR. HE OWNS IT. HE CAN FIX IT. THEY ARE MAKING A PROFIT OFF OF OUR LIVES AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTENING. >> ORDER, PLEASE. >> PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING. THANK [00:55:03] YOU. >> ED SLACHB, BOX 3084, ED SLACHB.COM. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CLAP. CANDIDATE FOR SEAT 4, ANASTASIA CONTROL DISTRICT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THE NOVEMBER 3RD, 2026 ELECTION. BACK ON APRIL 15TH OF 2025 ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND I'M CALLING FOR Y'ALL TO RECTIFY IT AND DO AN AGONIZING REAPPRAISAL OF THE CONTRACT THAT Y'ALL APPROVED 3- 2 TO HIRE A LAW FIRM, A CORPORATE LAW FIRM AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THAT LAW FIRM IS OWNED, CO- OWNED BY EX- SENATOR ROBERT BRADLEY JR. WHO IS A LOBBYIST FOR AT LEAST ONE WORLD- CLASS DEVELOPER, FOUNTAIN BLOW DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HAS A HIGH- RISE IN LAS VEGAS AND HAS HOTELS IN SOUTH FLORIDA. WE DON'T WANT ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO LOOK LIKE SOUTH FLORIDA OR LAS VEGAS AND WE DON'T WANT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND IN THE BIBLE MATTHEW TEACHES AS THE U.S. SUPREME COURT SAID IN THE CASE OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VERSUS MISSISSIPPI VALLEY GENERATING COMPANY, THE DIXON YATES CASE, SUPREME COURT SAID THAT THE BASIC PRINCIPLE IN EVERY CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAW IS IN THE BIBLE. A MAN CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN HAVE A COUNTY COMMUNITY HOGS ALSO A CORPORATE LAWYER AND WOULD NEVER EVEN DISCLOSE TO COMMISSIONER ANN TAYLOR WHEN SHE ASKED CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A LIST OF YOUR CLIENTS. YOUR CORPORATE CLIENTS. THEY'RE WEARING TOO MANY HATS. THEY HAVE TOO MANY IRONS IN THE FIRE. THEY'RE CO- OWNED BY NOT ONLY EX- SENATOR BRADLEY BY BUT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ELECT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. HOW DOES THAT LOOK? HOW DOES THAT LOOK TO EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM? HOW DOES THAT LOOK TO COMMISSIONERS? AND I KNOW MY FRIEND CLAY MURPHY, COMMISSIONER MURPHY WAS SUPPOSED TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH THEM. HE NEVER DID. AND I ASKED THE COUNTY FOR ANY RESEARCH THAT HE OR ANYBODY ELSE DID IN ANTICIPATING OF THAT NEGOTIATION. THERE WERE NO DOCUMENTS. WE SHOULD NOT BE HIRING A DEVELOPER- ORIENTED LAW FIRM. I KNOW MR. COMMANDER TOLD YOU ALL YOU NEVER REPRESENT ADD DEVELOPER IN ALL OF HIS YEARS OF PRACTICE BUT HIS LAW PARTNER IS A LOBBYIST FOR FOUNTAIN BLOW DEVELOPMENT. THAT DOG WON'T HUNT. THAT NEEDS TO STOP. WE NEED TO HAVE AN AGONIZING REAPPRAISAL OF THIS CONTRACT AND WE NEED TO DO IT NOW. ALSO I WANT TO COMMEND EVERYBODY WHO WORKED TOGETHER, INCLUDING HENRY DEAN AND SUSIE WILES AND PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT GUAN A NICOLE CROSBY FOR DEFEATING THIS EFFORT TO DESTROY GU ANA. I TALKED TO HENRY DEAN ABOUT IT, HE WAS GOING TO GET US A BETTER ROOM THAN THE TINY CONFERENCE ROOM THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS MEETING IN IN TALLAHASSEE, HE WAS GOING TO TRY TO GET THE GOVERNOR'S CABINET ROOM IN THE BASEMENT OF THE CAPITAL BUT WE DIDN'T NEED IT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER DROPPED THE PROPOSAL. LIKEWISE, WE NEED TO DROP THE OYSTER AND LEAVE THE WHARF AS FAR AS HAVING A CORPORATE LAW FIRM AS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JUDY SPIEGEL, 101 GREEN WILLOW LANE. WELL, THIS IS KIND OF FUN BEING HERE IN THE EVENING. I LIKE IT. IT'S KIND OF A NICE ATMOSPHERE. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A NICE BIG LATE LUNCH. NO FOOD TRUCK OUT THERE. FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ELECTED OR SELECTED A NEW SUPERINTENDENT TODAY AND BRENDAN HASPLIN WILL BE THE NEW SUPERINTENDENT, IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE AND I WAS BLESSED AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO OBSERVE THE INTERVIEWS, I THINK THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. A LOT OF PRAYER WENT UP ABOUT THE RIGHT CANDIDATE. I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD ANSWERED THAT PRAYER AND IT WILL GO FORWARD. DURING THE PROCEEDINGS CHAIR MEMBER JENNIFER COLLINS MADE A COMMENT AND I THINK THE COMMENT SORT OF SUITS THE TONE OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE IT. SHE SAID THAT PEOPLE LIKE DIRT MORE THAN THEY LIKE SOAP. AND I THINK I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO HER ABOUT IT BUT MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT I THINK IS THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO THROW MUD INSTEAD OF CLEAN UP OR BRING THE PROBLEM TO THE FRONT RATHER THAN PROVIDE SOLUTIONS FOR THE PROBLEM AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD. I THINK WE HAVE HAD SOME GOOD PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED BUT I'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 101 ACADEMY FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS AND IT'S BEEN JUST SO EXCITING AND I'M HONORED TO SAY THAT LAST WEEK WE WERE WITH PUBLIC WORKS. BRACKET CAPTIONER TRANSITIONING ] [01:00:02] . >> MAYBE THEY'RE I KNOW THE INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS THING HAS COME TO ATTENTION. IT'S BEING WORKED ON. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROBLEMS, THINGS COME UP. WE DO THINGS WITH THE VERY BEST OF INTENTIONS, AND THERE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERYTHING. AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK ON OR OVER THE WAY THAT THIS COUNTY WORKS. IT'S, REALLY, THERE'S SO MUCH HERE THAT YOU JUST DON'T SEE ANY FOR SURFACE. AND SO MUCH THAT WE DON'T SLEEP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BENEATH THE SURFACE, AND WHAT A HARD JOB IT IS TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE GEARS TURNING AND MOVING. AND WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WHEN WE COME TO A CONCLUSION. SO I JUST WANTED TO HONOR YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO. I AM ETERNALLY GRATEFUL THAT I'M NOT UP THERE MAKING THE DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE. IT'S HARD TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT HURT PEOPLE. IT'S HARD TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE. BUT YOU DO IT, AND YOU DO IT WITH GRACE, AND FOR OUR COUNTY'S GOOD, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. CAN'T AGREE WITH HER ON ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. AGREE TO DISAGREE. OKAY, YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE IN HERE TALKING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT. YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALKING FOR YEARS OVER THE ROADS IN DIFFERENT THING THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR THEM. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET CODE ENFORCEMENT. THEY TELL YOU, OH, GET ON THE COMPUTER AND WRITE A COMPLAINT. WELL, BEFORE COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDEN DIED, HE WAS TRYING TO HELP MEWITH THE STRIPMALL. NEXT TO ME. THEN HE GOT SO WILL HE, HE PASSED AWAY, AND THE, THE ISSUES WERE NEVER RESOLVED. JUST LIKE OTHER ISSUES WITH YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS TASKED TO GO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH STOPPING TRUCKS FROM COMING ON THAT ROAD. YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT CAME BACK TO MR. DESOUSA, AND THEY, AND HE MENTIONED PUTTING UP A BARRIER WHERE, LIKE, IN BURGER KING, THAT THE TRUCKS WOULDN'T WANT TO USE THE ROAD. IT FELL ON DEAF EARS. ONLY TO WAKE UP, AND I'M SORRY YOUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES DO DO A LOT OF STUFF BEHIND YOUR BACK, AND FOR CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE PICTURES OF ALL KINDS OF DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS GOING TO TALK OVER THERE, JUST LIKE WITH BRANDON PATTY AND AVERY SMITH OVER THERE CHATTING IN THE CORNER THE WHOLE TIME THAT THE MEETING WAS GOING ON. THIS IS GOING ON, Y'ALL. THIS IS GOING ON, AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE, IT'SÚU WHAT WENT ON WITH LANA, THE SAME THING WENT ON OVER 15 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY TRIED TO PUT A SCHOOL BACK IN THERE. OH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THE DAVISES AND NOCATEE, AND YOU MIGHT FIND YOUR DEVELOPER THERE. BUT THIS IS GOING ON. CONSERVATION LAND, Y'ALL CHANGE PUD'S. THE U.S. IS. I'LL LET THESE -- WELL, IF YOU DON'T LET US CHANGE THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. WELL, FOR NOW, Y'ALL NEED TO START CALLING YOUR BLUFF, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SICK OF BEING IN THIS COUNTY AND WAITING IN TRAFFIC FOR 45 MINUTES. THE SPEED LIMIT ON 16 WENT FROM 55 TO 60. TWO FRANCIS ROAD IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. YEAH, I KNOW, RED LIGHTS COMING, JUST LIKE A RED LIGHTS COMING. IT'S Y'ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS FIXED BEFORE YOU GET ONE MORE THING. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I'VE BEEN COMING UP HERE FOR YEARS HARPING ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND IF YOU CALL THE SUNSHINE BUS, THAT'S A PRETEND TRANSPORTATION, OKAY? NO BUSINESS IS OFF BY 9:00 AT NIGHT. SO THIS COMMISSION, LIKE THE OTHER LADY SAID, Y'ALL NEED TO REALLY WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE AND START LISTENING TO WE THE PEOPLE, NOT SPECIAL INTERESTS FROM DEVELOPERS, LAWYERS. THAT'S WHAT A FEW OF YOU HAVE IN COMMON. THANK YOU, AND GOD BLESS. HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M JOE RINES. 699 STANDARDS DRIVE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. FIRST THING, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND AS I HEARD THE FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR OPPOSING THIS GO ON A SLOP SCAM, BASICALLY. AND I WANT TO CONTEST WHAT AN EARLIER SPEAKER SAID, THAT OUR FUNCTIONING REPUBLICAN PARTY DID NOT ASSIST IN AS WE DID. I WAS PART OF THAT, AND I WORKED WITH REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, AND I'M [01:05:07] SURE INDEPENDENCE, IN SENDING OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO EVERYONE AND GETTING THIS THING IN THE PUBLIC EYE. AND NO ONE COULD, COULD DO THAT MORE -- ELECTED BY OUR LOCAL REPUBLICANS, KIM KENDALL. AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO DID THAT. AND I EVEN WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPER WHO PUT THIS WHOLE SCHEME TOGETHER, BECAUSE, FOR ONCE IN MY ACTIVITIES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, I WAS COMMUNICATING ACROSS PARTY LINES , AND WE'RE ALL UNITED, WE'RE ALL SHOWING INFORMATION. WE EVEN, WE EVEN SHARED INFORMATION, AND, FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK I SENT A, YOU KNOW, EMAILS AND PROMOTED ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS WHICH, WE SHOULD SUPPORT WHEN THEY'RE RIGHT AND NOT SUPPORT WHEN THEY'RE WRONG. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS AND EVERYONE ELSE, AND THIS IS NOT, THIS WASN'T A REPUBLICAN ISSUE, BUT NOW WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR -- TO SAVE WHAT MADE THIS COUNTY WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT WAS, AND THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> HI. I'M -- MARINO, 125 NATURES WAY. YOU MIGHT THINK I'M STANDING UP HERE TODAY TO CRITICIZE AND ADMONISH EACH OF YOU. IN CASE YOU'RE WORRIED, -- >> ERIKA, COULD YOU STEP UP AND SPEAK IN THE MIC? >> SURE. IN CASE YOU'RE WORRIED THAT I'M GOING TO SAY THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE AWFUL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE TRUTH. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU PROBABLY SPEND YOUR DAYS, YOUR EVENINGS, AND YOUR WAKING HOURS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TRYING TO MAKE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BETTER FOR ALL OF US. I'M STANDING HERE TODAY TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SUCH GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR COUNTY, OUR LAND, AND OUR FUTURE. IT SEEMS THAT YOU'RE GOOD PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE, CARE ABOUT ANIMALS AND THEIR HABITATS, CARE ABOUT LAND VALUES, AND CARE ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF FLORIDA. FOR EACH OF YOU, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR FAMILIES, AND ALL OF US. AND THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT ALL LAND IS NOT EQUAL DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? TAKING PRISTINE PRESERVED LAND AWAY FROM THE ANIMALS TO BUILD SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES ON A NARROW PENINSULA SEEMS CRUEL. CRUEL TO OUR ECOLOGICAL SYSTEM, AND WILL HAVE TERRIBLE IMPLICATIONS , REVERSING THE REASONS WE ALL LOVE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. AND SINCE YOU'RE ALL GOOD PEOPLE, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY OF YOU WOULD'VE CHOSEN TO VOTE FOR SUCH A DESTRUCTIVE DEVELOPMENT. NOW, SINCE THE LAND SWAP PROPOSAL WAS WITHDRAWN, NONE OF US HAS TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT NOW, WHAT'S NEXT? SINCE ALL OF YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN OUR WONDERFUL ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND SERVE SO GRACIOUSLY ON THE BOARD, I CAN'T IMAGINE MAKING EXTRA MONEY FROM THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ECOLOGICAL SYSTEM AND PRECIOUS WAY OF LIFE WOULD BE WORTH IT TO YOU. IT'S LIKE THE SAND DUNES ON EVERY BEACH. SIGNS THAT SAY STAY OFF THE DUNES LINE THE BEACH. WE CAN'T GO ON THE DUNES, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THESE DUNES PRESERVE THE ABILITY FOR ALL OF US TO ENJOY THE BEACH. WITHOUT THE DUNES, THE BEACH WILL WASH AWAY FROM HUMAN ENJOYMENT, WILL WATERWAY FOR HUMAN ENJOYMENT AND THE ANIMALS WILL LOSE THEIR ENVIRONMENT. ANIMALS AND PEOPLE COEXIST PEACEFULLY AND THRIVE BECAUSE OF THE DUNES. THE DUNES PRESERVE AND PROTECT ANIMALS AND HUMANS ALIKE. GUANA PRESERVE AREA IS LIKE THAT. IT'S A SMALL SLIVER OF BEAUTY ALLOWING HUMANS AND ANIMALS TO COEXIST AND THRIVE . AND THE FIVE OF YOU SIT HERE WITH THAT POWER TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST AS GUANA IS A PRECIOUS SLIVER, SO IS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS A SPECIAL PLACE THAT WE ALL FEEL BLESSED TO CALL HOME. WE'RE ALL COUNTING ON YOU TO KEEP NORTH FLORIDA AND SPECIFICALLY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY DUTIFUL, PEACEFUL, AND ECOLOGICALLY INTACT. SO HOORAY . WE'VE ALL SAVED GUANA PRESERVE. AND NOW EACH OF YOUR LEGACIES CAN BE THAT YOU PRESERVED THE PRESERVE, BUT THAT'S JUST GUANA. NEXT, PLEASE PROTECT OVERBUILDING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THEY GIVE SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS. IT'S TRULY APPRECIATED. PLEASE DON'T DESTROY THE DREAM WE'VE ALL FOUND , THIS WEEK, THIS YEAR, OR IN THE YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU. >> HEY, COMMISSIONERS, DENVER COOK. MY ADDRESS IS PROTECTED, SO NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU, AS I DON'T WANT ANY EX-INMATES TO COME CHASE ME DOWN OR MY WIFE OR MY FAMILY , OR OTHER CRAZY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY. I'M [01:10:02] CHAIRMAN OF THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW. HADN'T INTENDED TO SPEAK, NOR DO I WANT TO USE UP A BUNCH OF YOUR TIME, I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK ALL FIVE OF YOU, ALL FIVE OF YOU AND OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE WORK THEY DID NOT JUST TODAY IN STOPPING SOMETHING, BUT FROM LAST WEEK, FROM THE DAY WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, AND WHAT YOU GUYS ALL DID. I WORKED CLOSELY WITH KIM. WE BROUGHT IT UP TO STATE SENATOR DROGUE ROUTERS AND OTHERS, WHO, AS YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THE MORE POWERFUL PEOPLE IN OUR PARTY, AS VICE CHAIR OF THE RNC, WHO AGREED 100% BUT THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST BLATANT EXAMPLES OF DEVELOPERS TRYING TO OVERREACH THEIR AUTHORITIES AND AND AROUND THE INTENT OF LAWS, AND WE ALL STOOD TOGETHER AND FOUGHT IT. IT'S NOT MY JOB TO FIGHT LEGISLATION OF THE COUNTY PARTY. IT'S TO HELP GOOD REPUBLICANS WIN IN OFFICE. WE DID THAT LAST EFFORTS, AS WELL AS E FROM OUR - REPRESENTATIVE KENDALL, WHO WAS ABLE TO DELIVER IN STOPPING THIS, NOT THROUGH LEGISLATION, BT THROUGH ACTIVATING THE COMMUNITY AND WAKING THEM UP ABOUT THE PROBLEMS. SO WHILE WE MAY HAVE DETRACTORS, I DON'T CARE ABOUT DETRACTORS. I CARE ABOUT OUTCOMES FOR MY COMMUNITY, AND THE PARTY IS HERE TO HELP PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE OVER 120,000 REPUBLICAN VOTERS, AND THE PARTY IS HERE TO PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS AND DEFEND THEIR WAY OF LIFE, AND WE WILL NOT APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE FOR DOING OUR JOB. OR, ON OCCASION, WHEN WE DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO IS A REPUBLICAN FOR CALLING THEM OUT ON THAT, BUT I DON'T DO IT PUBLICLY, AS YOU KNOW. I DO IT THROUGH THE PHONE. SO, ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST FIVE DAYS. IT WASN'T JUST TODAY. IT WAS MULTIPLE DAYS OF HARD WORK OVER THE WEEKEND, AND WE , REALLY, MOVING FORWARD, NEED TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. SWITCHING TO THAT, IN MY LAST MINUTE OR LESS, I'LL SAY IT ONCE AGAIN, AND I SET IT AT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. ROLLBACK OUR TAXES. WE'RE IN BUDGET SEASON. SUPPOSED TO HAVE BUDGET HEARINGS, WHICH ARE BUDGET VIEWINGS, NOT HEARINGS, BECAUSE NO QUESTIONS WERE ASKED. COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WEREN'T ALLOWED TO, SO HOW DO YOU GO THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS WHEN YOU, THE MINISTERS THAT WERE PASSING IT, CANNOT ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S IN IT? I FEEL LIKE I'M TRYING TO TALK TO PELOSI. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE OUR MONEY'S GOING AND WHY, AND YOU ALL ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO DECIDE THAT. AND IF YOU CAN'T ASK WHY, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW, THE CITIZENS? AND GIVING US THREE MINUTES WHEN YOU GUYS GET THE WHOLE BUDGET PUT IN FRONT OF YOU IS NOT ENOUGH FOR WHAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE, BECAUSE I'VE ASKED WHAT THE TOP NUMBER IS AND NOBODY'S PROVIDED IT, PROBABLY CLOSE TO A $2 BILLION BUDGET WITH NO QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS OR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S A TRAVESTY. DO NOT PASS A BUDGET WHICH IS JUST THE CONTINUING RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. >> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD. IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE FIRST EVENING MEETING, SO I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO THE COMMISSIONERS WHO VOTED. I THINK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SEEMS LIKE IF THE EXPERIMENT IS A SUCCESS SO FAR. ALSO, AGAIN WANT TO THANK ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF FIGHTING THE ABSURD ATTEMPT AT A LANDGRAB OF 600 ACRES OF GUANA. THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYONE OF YOU, FOR ENTHUSIASTICALLY COMING OUT AGAINST THAT . YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY NOTED THAT IT WAS, LIKE, LIKE A REALLY PIVOTAL MOMENT WHEN SUSIE WILES CAME OUT AGAINST IT, AND, OF COURSE, REPRESENTATIVE KENDALL. THAT WAS REALLY CRITICAL THAT SHE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING THURSDAY MORNING AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING ALL THESE OFFICIALS LIKE YOURSELVES MAKING A STAND, IT WAS REALLY, REALLY POWERFUL. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE, LIKE, A LITTLE INSIGHT ABOUT THE SCENES WHEN, AFTER A LOT OF US GOT THAT HORRIBLE PHONE CALL AROUND, YOU KNOW, 7:00 WEDNESDAY NIGHT ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING. MANY OF US SLEPT LITTLE THAT NIGHT. AND WE LEARNED THAT THE FLORIDA AUDUBON WAS GOING TO DO A PETITION. WE WERE LIKE, OKAY. HOW MANY SIGNATURES CAN WE DO? HOW MANY? LET'S SHOOT FOR 10,000 A DAY. SO I WAS LIKE, I WAS CALLING CHRISTOPHER EARL EVERYDAY. WHERE ARE WE? HOW MANY SIGNATURES? HOW MANY SIGNATURES? WELL, IT ENDED UP, WE GOT OVER 50,000 SIGNATURES GOOD SO WE AVERAGED 10,000 SIGNATURES A DAY. AND THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TAKING THAT PETITION AND SENDING IT AND SENDING IT AND SENDING IT, AND SPENDING SO MUCH TIME CIRCULATING IT. PEOPLE WERE, OF COURSE WE HAD THE PROTEST THAT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND WELL ATTENDED. AN AMAZING THING WAS THAT THIS WHOLE THING WAS DONE IN FIVE DAYS. A WEIRD LITTLE THING HAPPENED ON MY SAVE GUANA NOW FACEBOOK PAGE. I TYPICALLY GET, LIKE, 100 VIEWS ON IT. IT'S NOT A REAL ACTIVE PAGE. VERY SLEEPY PAGE I POSTED MY FIRST POST [01:15:01] ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, HORRENDOUS ATTEMPT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS ACREAGE, AND I LOOKED AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. I HAD, LIKE, 94,000 VIEWS, AND IT WORKED ITS WAY UP TO 135,000 VIEWS FIVE DAYS LATER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE WERE COMING AND, AND JOINING IN IN THIS THING. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF, I DON'T HAVE ANY FACEBOOK SKILLS THAT CAUSED THAT TO HAPPEN. IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND JOINED IN, AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE A PART OF IT. AND I DON'T THINK I EVER MET A SINGLE PERSON WHO SUPPORTED THIS THING. SO AS HORRIBLE AS THOSE FIVE DAYS WERE, IT'S REALLY SATISFYING TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE VICTORY WITH EVERYBODY. OH, MY NINE SECONDS. SATURDAY MORNING, 10:00, EVERYBODY'S INVITED. GTN. THEY'VE GOT A PAVILION FOR US. GO TO THE TRAILHEAD. PUT GUANA RIVER GROVE ON AVEDA INTO YOUR GPS. >> BETH BRADY, NO AFFILIATION WITH ANYONE TODAY, JUST MYSELF, FOR THIS COMMENT. 1368 BIRMINGHAM ROAD SOUTH JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M A PROUD DEVELOPER IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, DESPITE ALL OF THE HATRED AND THE VITRIOL THAT WE GET PUMMELED WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS. EVERY PERSON THAT IS HERE AND LIVES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, A DEVELOPER PUT TOGETHER WHERE YOU LIVE. SO NOT ALL DEVELOPERS ARE BAD, NOT ALL, ALL ARE THE SAME. AND SO MANY DEVELOPERS HAVE COME OUT AGAINST THIS, SO DON'T TREAT US ALL THE SAME. WE DON'T ALL HAVE THE SAME IDEAS. WE DON'T ALL DO THE SAME PROJECTS THAT WE ARE PEOPLE TOO. WE DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT, AND ALL THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SO LOVED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WERE DONE BY DEVELOPERS, SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. >> HI. MY NAME IS SHELBY YOUNG. I LIVE AT 2050 POWELL ROAD, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I GREW UP HERE. I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST MY ENTIRE LIFE. SINCE I WAS ABOUT FIVE. AND I'M 33. AND I DON'T MIND DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T MIND TO SEE THIS PLACE THRIVE. I ACTUALLY THINK THE SUGGESTIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO SHORTEN, BAD IDEA. THAT'S MORE IN LESS TIME. NOT A GOOD IDEA,IN MY OPINION, HUMBLE OPINION. ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP HIS SIDEWALKS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME OR PLACE, BUT WE NEED THEM. WE NEED SIDEWALKS, AND WE NEED ACCESSIBILITY FOR BIKES. THAT DOESN'T MEAN , YOU KNOW, FATALITIES WILL GO DOWN. IT ACTUALLY COULD GO UP, BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WILL BE RIDING THE BICYCLE. AND IT WILL BRING GREAT RELIEF TO TRANSPORTATION IN OUR AREA. THIS IS A LIKABLE TOWN. THIS IS A ABSOLUTELY WRITABLE TOWN. I USED IT TO RIDE MY BIKE ALL OVER THIS TOWN. I HAVE TWO CHILDREN NOW. I CAN'T RIDE MY BIKE ALL OVER THIS TOWN. IT'S NOT SAFE. IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT SAFE. UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW SOMEBODY PERSONALLY THAT HAS HIT SOMEBODY, TO THE FATAL POINT, AND BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE WERE JUST TRYING TO GO HOME FROM WORK THAT DAY. NEITHER OF THEM WERE IN ANY WAY DOING ANYTHING BUT THAT. AND THAT'S A FATALITY THAT'S ON THIS CITY. IT'S NOT ON HER. IT'S NOT ON THE PERSON THAT WAS RIDING THEIR BIKE. IT WAS OFF OF STATE ROAD 16, WHERE ALL OF THAT STUFF'S GOING ON IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LEAVE TOWN PASTORALLY INTERSTATE. SO, ANYWAY, I JUST THINK THAT ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, AND IT COULD'VE BEEN PREVENTABLE BY MAKING THE ROADS ACCESSIBLE TO BICYCLES. I OPPOSE ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT FURTHER THAN WE ACTUALLY HAVE, ESPECIALLY ABOVE THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY SET. THERE'S NO REASON TO GO HIGHER IN ANY WAY. WHEN YOU'RE OUT AT THE BEACH, WHEN YOU LOOK UP AND YOU SEE AN OPEN SKY FROM EVERY ANGLE, THAT'S A BLESSING. AND WE DO NOT WANT TO LOOK BACK AND SEE HIGH-RISES, AND WE HAVE A BIG BUILDING BEHIND US. ANOTHER THING IS , I GIVE IT UP TO ALL OF YOU FOR GIVING ME TIME TO BE HERE TODAY, EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT FOR GUANA DID A GREAT JOB, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, HEARING ME OUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> NAME IS WILLIAM WALLACE HENNESSY. NOT REALLY WALLACE, BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. WELL I'M HERE, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN PUSHING ALL THAT GUANA, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. SAME WITH THE STATE PARK. BUT MY PROBLEM, [01:20:01] OF COURSE, YOU'LL KNOW ABOUT IT, IS THE BOAT RAMP. AND, THERE WE GO. IF YOU NOTICE THAT THE ROAD BOAT RAMP, WE CALL IT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FRANK BUTLER PARK NORTH. THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PROPERTY HE BOUGHT WRITING HERE. SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS STATE PARK HERE. BUT FOR SOME REASON, Y'ALL DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT. Y'ALL PREFER TO HAVE A COUPLE HOMEOWNERS, ONE FROM A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, SON AT LANDING , BIG OLIGARCH IS WHAT THEY'RE TURNING OUT TO BE, AND IT'S MORPHED. IT'S GONE FROM ONE NEIGHBOR TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT. EVERY TIME I GO DOWN THERE TO THE BOAT RAMP, I'M FOLLOWED. I'M BEING FILMED. AND I DON'T LIKE IT TOO MUCH. AND I TOLD YOU BEFORE, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT I OWN, FROM MY SHOULDERS TO MY FINGERS. AND THEN GUYS ARE GETTING IN MY FINGER GRIP. AND I DON'T WANT TO HURT NOBODY. I'M NOT HERE TO HURT NOBODY. I WANT THESE PEOPLE TO LIKE ME. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? BLACK HEARTS THERE'S NEVER ENDS, AND THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE. THEY WANT TO TAKE ALL THEY CAN GET, AND THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT NOBODY ELSE, AND NOW , Y'ALL'S BUDDY ROB WHAT'S HIS NAME, MATTHEWS, MATTHEWS DESIGNED THE GUY THAT DID THE FRANK BUTLER WEST DESIGN AT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST THE STUPIDEST THING I EVER SEEN BEFORE IN MY LIFE. IT LOOKED LIKE A RACETRACK OUT THERE. HE IS DESTROYING, HE IS REMODELING, HE JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE, HE'S REMODELING IT. HE'S GOT EXCAVATORS, HE'S GOT BULLDOZERS, HE'S GOT BUCKET TRUCKS, HE'S GOT A CONTAINER SHIP, A CONTAINER IN THE YARD WITH HIS CRAP IN IT. SO I WENT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT , AND I SAID, CAN I SEE THE PLANS OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? 37 PAGES, $600,000 RENOVATION ON HIS DREAM HOUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME HE PICKED UP A HOOKER AND HE'S GIVING HER BOTOX AND AN AUGMENTATION OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW? THAT'S YOUR DREAM HOUSE? BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SIX MONTHS! AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE, IT'S A CORN HOLE TOSSED FROM THE, A BOAT RAMP AND A PUBLIC PARK, AND Y'ALL DON'T GIVE TWO -- Y'ALL AREN'T DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. Y'ALL ARE PUTTING MEN AT RISK. THEY FOLLOW MY WIFE WHEN SHE WALKS DOWN THERE, AND I'M TELLING YOU, THE FUSE HAS BEEN LIT! IF THEY F WITH ME AGAIN, I'M TELLING YOU, I'M GOING TO GO OFF ON THEM, AND IT'S GOING TO BE Y'ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY, BECAUSE YOU AIN'T DONE SHIT. WE NEED TO GET A JUDGE ON THIS. >> DJ KHALED E, WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. TO ST. JOHN SHARES INMATE SEARCH WEBSITE IS STILL NOT AVAILABLE TO TAXPAYERS. WE DO NOT NEED TO COPY DUVAL COUNTY, WHICH DOES NOT SHOW PHOTOS OF THESE, OF THOSE ARRESTED. AS SHOWN AT APRIL 15TH, 2025 BCC MEETING, PUTNAM COUNTY SHERIFF PROVIDES THIS INFORMATION WITH PHOTOS. THIS INFORMATION IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE SENIORS VERSUS CRIME PROJECT. QUESTION, IS THERE A LAWSUIT WHICH PREVENTS TRANSPARENCY BY ST. JOHN SHERIFF? QUESTION, WHAT FIRM HAS BEEN LOBBYIST IN TALLAHASSEE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR YEARS? S.A.G. NA AND IGA AND S, SHENANIGANS. ONE, GUANA AND ANASTASIA PARK , STATE PARK. TWO, LISTENING MR. KOMANDO AS COUNTY ATTORNEY INSTEAD OF HIS PRIVATE LAW FIRM FOR WHICH TAXPAYERS ARE ON THE HOOK. WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR LISTED AS REFERENCES ON THE APRIL 17TH, 2025 APPLICATION FOR THE POSITION IN PALM BEACH. THANK YOU FOR MOVING PUBLIC COMMENT. REMEMBER, SOME POLITICIANS DID NOT WANT THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF BCC MEETINGS. REMEMBER, FOUR POLITICIANS PUT TAXPAYERS ON HOOK FOR LAWYERS TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY AND A LAWSUIT WITH THE COUNTY LOST AGAINST CHAIR JOSEPH. PLEASE LISTEN TO 90.5 FM, ONE'S LIFE CAN CHANGE. I JUST LEARNED SOME THINGS TODAY SITTING HERE. I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO, THOUGH. FIRST QUESTION IS, 114. I CAN GET THEM [01:25:07] BOTH IN. HAVE WE HIRED IN ANY DEPARTMENT IN THIS COUNTY MR. TRAVIS HUDSON? SECOND QUESTION, OR JUST A COMMENT. IT'S INTERESTING WHEN DEVELOPERS GET UP HERE AND SPEAK, NOT AS A DEVELOPER. I HOPE DEVELOPERS, OR A DEVELOPER WHO DID THIS, CAN REMEMBER BACK TO ANOTHER MEETING IN THIS VERY BUILDING WHERE THE WORD RESPECT TOWARDS ME WAS NOT USED. IT WAS ANOTHER WORD THAT I WON'T SAY OUT LOUD. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THINK IT OVER AND SEE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH. AND I WANT TO SAY I WISH I REALLY -- THAT EVERYBODY HERE THAT'S FOR GUANA WOULD GET UP HERE, TAKE A MINUTE UNTIL IT'S 7:00 TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD HOW YOU FEEL, BECAUSE YOU SHOWED UP HERE TONIGHT, AND WE HAVE IT RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. PLEASE COME UP HERE. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST ONE. YOU GOT 12 SECONDS. YOU CAN TALK IT IN ONE SECOND, AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN CLAPPING, SO GET UP HERE, PLEASE! WE CAN BE HERE TILL 12:00 MIDNIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE CAN MOVE ON TO -- [1. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2025-07 2575 Pellicer Road. Request for a Non-Zoning Variance to Land Development Code Section 5.01.01.C seeking relief from subdivision platting requirements to allow for the division of two (2) additional lots (total of 3 from the parent parcel). ] >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO A MEETING LIKE THIS, SO IT'S BEEN QUITE ENLIGHTENING. MY NAME IS KIRSTIN SWEIGARD, AND MY HUSBAND DAVID AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF 2575 PELLICER ROAD IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE SUBJECT OF THIS REQUEST. WE ARE REQUESTING A NON-ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION 5.010 1C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SPECIFICALLY WE ARE REQUESTING RELIEF FROM THE SUBDIVISION PLANTING REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY WHEN YOU DIVIDE A PARENT PARCEL MORE THAN ONCE. WE ARE SEEKING TO DIVIDE THE RESIDUAL PARENT PARCEL INTO TWO LOTS, WHICH WILL RESULT IN A TOTAL OF THREE LOTS FROM THE PARENT PARCEL. THE BASIS FOR OUR REQUEST FOR RELIEF IS THAT THE DIVISION IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A LARGE-SCALE SUBDIVISION, AND WE ARE NOT FURTHER DEVELOPING THE PARCELS. OUR FAMILY HAS ACTUALLY OWNED THIS PARCEL FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS NOW, AND WE INTEND TO BUILD A PRIMARY RESIDENCE FOR OUR FAMILY ON THE LARGER LOT AND LEAVE THE OTHER TWO EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY PRESENT ON THE FRONT OF THE PARCEL IN PLACE. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 208 AND WEST OF INTERSTATE 95 EXIT 318 AND STATE ROAD 16, AND WE ARE ZONED OPEN RURAL. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPOSED DIVISION LINES MARKED. YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE OUTLINE DEPICTS THE PROPOSED LOT 1, WHICH WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES ON WHICH THE TWO EXISTING MOBILE HOMES, LOT A AND NOT B, WOULD REMAIN. AND THEN THE PINK OUTLINED AREA IS OUR PROPOSED LOT 2, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BUILD THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE FOR OUR FAMILY. AND THEN THE MOBILE HOME THERE UNDERNEATH OF THE WORDING THERE WOULD BE REMOVED. AND SO THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL LOT CLEARING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL TREES WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN IN ORDER TO DO THIS. SO THE PROJECT HAS SEVERAL BENEFITS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD , AS THE NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WOULD ADD VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORING HOMES, AS WELL AS WOULD KEEP WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHICH INCLUDES SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, MOBILE AND CUSTOM HOMES. AND THEN WITH THIS DIVISION, ACTUALLY, WE WOULD BE REDUCING THE DENSITY OF HOMES. THE PARENT PARCEL HAD FOUR HOMES, AND WE WOULD BE REDUCING IT TO THREE. AND THEN LASTLY, THE EFFECT OF GRANTING THIS VARIANCE REQUEST IS IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE CODE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD GRAND TOWER APPLICATION REQUEST. DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL, SO WE'LL HAVE TO ANNOUNCE OUR EXPORT HEY. MR. WHITEHURST? >> I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY EMAILS, PHONE CALLS, OR MEETINGS. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE THE SAME. NO EMAILS, NO [01:30:04] MEETINGS. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NO MEETINGS, NO EMAILS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> THE SAME. NO MEETINGS, NO EMAILS. >> AND I HAVE NOTHING TO, TO REPORT. THANK YOU. SO IF WE WOULD, ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? >> YES, YES, I HAVE A COMMENT, CHAIR. >> COMMENT? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS EXACTLY THE, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M, I'M THRILLED ABOUT, AND SHE'S TAKING IN, IN ACCOUNT THE TREES, THE NATURAL AREAS, THE CLEARED AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, AND SHE'S ACTUALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE WHERE SHE LIVES. SO THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL GO NOW TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR GENERAL ITEM NUMBER ONE. >> ALL RIGHT. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. >> DO I STAY HERE? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NEAL HOLST. I LIVE AT 97 PINELLAS WAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THIS YOUNG LADY HERE IS TELLING US SHE'S GOING TO DO, IF, IN ANY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE BROKEN, ARE WE GOING TO DENY HER A BUILDING PERMIT? YEAH, THERE WAS A LOVELY SPEECH BY THIS LOVELY LADY. SHE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WONDERFUL WITH HER LAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT SHE GAVE US A BUNCH OF REQUIREMENTS THAT SHE'S EXPLAINING TO YOU AT THIS MOMENT. WHEN SHE WALKS OUT OF THAT DOOR, DO THOSE REQUIREMENTS STILL EXIST? AND THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. NOW, LIKE I SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE A WONDERFUL IDEA YOU HAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS AN ALTERNATIVE MOTIVE TO WHAT THEY DO. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME NOW, THAT'S A LIE. SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU CAN ADDRESS? MAYBE IT'S A MIHAEL ROBERSON QUESTION. OH, OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU. >> EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. LISA BROWN, FOR THE RECORD, WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. SO EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE THAT GETS BUILT WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY, MAKING SURE THAT THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPING CODE, COMP PLAN, ANY WATER, SEWER REQUIREMENTS. THAT' STILL SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED WHEN SHE MOVES FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DOES THAT -- GOOD DEAL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OH, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE MORE. >> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS, AND THIS ISN'T 500 HOUSES OR APARTMENTS OR CONDOS. AND IF Y'ALL WOULD HAVE A SITE PLAN LIKE USED TO BE PART OF THIS COUNTY COMMISSION, YOU KNOW THAT SHOW THE SITE PLAN, YOU'RE BUILDING THIS HERE, THIS, THAT. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN DO THEIR JOB BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SITE PLANS. Y'ALL DON'T SEE NO SITE PLANS. WE DON'T SEE NO SITE PLANS. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO START MAKING THE BIG DEVELOPERS DO, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE SHE DONE HER HOMEWORK. WHY CAN'T THEY GIVE Y'ALL A SITE PLAN? Y'ALL NEED TO BE REALLY THINKING. THIS IS HOW IT USED TO TO BE BEFORE ONE CHECK CAME IN HERE AND CHANGE THINGS, AND RAILROADED PEOPLE INTO DOING THINGS THEIR WAY. AND THE SAME THING IS GOING ON WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION. THEY ARE NOT STANDING UP FOR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, I SEE NO MORE. >> OKAY, BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR MURPHY. THIS LOOKS GREAT. I DRIVE BY THIS, BY YOUR STREET EVERY DAY FROM MY HOUSE ON THE WAY TO WORK, AND IT IS JUST AN ABSOLUTELY LOVELY, LOVELY, LOVELY PLACE, PLACE IN THIS COUNTY. SORRY. NOT ENOUGH COFFEE. WHEN I'M USED TO BEING UP THIS LATE. SO, NO, IT'S, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO, TO MOVE TO APPROVE NON-ZONING VARIANCE 2025-07 2575 PELLICER ROAD , AND FOUR CONDITIONS AS UPRIGHTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. [01:35:01] >> SECOND. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION OF A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IN THAT CASE, WE WILL TAKE A VOICE VOTE, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW TO TURN THIS THING ON. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I'M A YES. >> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> YES. >> AND I MAY YES. PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. [2. 2050 Comprehensive Plan - Draft. The County's Comprehensive Plan is undergoing an update pursuant to Florida Statutes 163.3184 and 163.3191. The County's consultant, Inspire Placemaking Collective, has drafted the 2050 Comprehensive Plan. ] >> THANK YOU. >> WE'LL NOW HEAR DISCUSSION OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MIKE ROBBERSON HERE, GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR. COMMISSIONERS, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE FIRST DRAFT, THE FIRST REDLINE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. CHRIS WILL TALK ABOUT IT MORE, OUR CONSULTANT, CHRIS DAUGHTRY FROM INSPIRE, HE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORY THAT YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE, JUST TO REITERATE ALL THE OUTREACH THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE FROM DIFFERENT SECTORS. AND LET ME SAY THIS TOO. SO THIS IS A REDLINE IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. WE DID CANVAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU SEE, OR HEAR ABOUT, COMES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, COMES FROM INDUSTRY GROUPS, IT COMES FROM THE RIVER KEEPER, IT COMES FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, IT COMES FROM FARMERS, IT COMES FROM RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SO WE TOOK ALL THAT. THERE WASN'T SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD FOR THIS REDLINE. IT WAS BASICALLY, UP TO THIS POINT, WE'RE COMING AT YOU WITH A START, A STARTING POINT. THIS IS A REDLINE. THIS IS NOT APPROVING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS A WAY FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND JETTISON WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE AND KEEP WHAT YOU DO LIKE, OKAY? SO LET ME MAKE THAT CRYSTAL CLEAR. THIS IS, IT'S OPEN. YOU GIVE US DIRECTION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, COMMISSIONERS, AT THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, OR ITEM, EXCUSE ME. SO WITH THAT , JUST A, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. IN THE DRAFT THAT YOU ALL, THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE PUBLIC, WE MISSED OUT ON SOME OF THE NOTES IN THE EDITED VERSION, SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN STRIKETHROUGH THAT IT WHERE THEY WERE GOING MIGHT'VE ASSUMED THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED, SO JUST SOME OF THE COMPATIBILITY. THERE ARE NOTES IN THERE THAT SAY THEY WOULD BE MOVED TO, LIKE, THE LAND DEVELOPING CODE OR A DIFFERENT PLACE, OKAY? SO NOT A LOT WAS JETTISONED FROM THERE, OR SUGGESTED TO BE, TO BE REMOVED. SO JUST FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT'S MY FAULT. THE, YOU'LL SEE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE, IN THE BRANDS OF PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT SHELL, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE SOM THINGS THAT TALK ABOUT SHALL CONSIDER. THOSE ARE THERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AS WELL. WHETHER YOU WANT SOME FLEX ABILITY IN THE BRAINS OF PLAN. SOMETIMES YOU DO. MAYBE YOU'RE NOT READY FOR THAT CHANGE, BUT YOU WOULD CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE, SO YOU WOULD LIKE THAT LANGWOOD IN THERE. OR MAYBE YOU ARE. YOU WANTED TO BE SHALLOW, WHICH MEANS WE'LL DO IT, OKAY? SO JUST KEEP IN MIND THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE LIKE THAT. SO WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS CHRIS, OUR CONSULTANT, GIVE A PRESENTATION. HE'S GOING TO HIT THE HIGH POINTS AND THE BULLETS UPON HIS PRESENTATION TO TALK ABOUT IT AND EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO. AND THEN I'LL HAVE JACOB SMITH, WHO MIGHT SEE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR. HE IS GOING TO COME UP AND HE'S GOING TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME OF THE DENSITY THAT WE HAVE JUST PUT OUT THERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. AGAIN, YOU CAN GO UP, DOWN, NONE, WHATEVER IT IS, OKAY? BUT HE WANTS TO TALK YOU THROUGH JUST SOME CONCEPTS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. AND THEN, AS WELL, THE MAP. WE'LL RING THE MAP UP THERE, UP HERE SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND GET SOME DIRECTION. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE TO CHRIS AND JACOB, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE WE MOVE ON. ALL RIGHT. >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK AGAIN. THIS IS A OVERVIEW OF THE, THE REDLINE OF THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES. I DO HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. GOING TO HIT THE HIGH POINTS. THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DIG INTO SPECIFICS HERE, BUT I DO WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO THE COMMUNITY INPUT, BECAUSE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO, YOU KNOW, FELT LIKE NEARLY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. THE POWERPOINT HAS GOT A MIND OF ITS OWN. IT JUST LIKES TO JUMP AHEAD HERE. SO, AGAIN, WE HAD OUR PROJECT WEBSITE WHERE WE, WE RECEIVED ALMOST, OR OVER 1200 SURVEY RESPONSES. WE HAD SMALL GROUP MEETINGS WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO DIFFERENT RELATIONS. WE EVEN HAD SPECIFIC TOPIC AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, TRANSPORTATION, CONSERVATION. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE KIND OF DUG DOWN INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY WITH SPECIFIC FOLKS. AND THEN WE HELD THE, THE SIX WORKSHOPS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO HIT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS. OVER 325 ATTENDEES. [01:40:07] AND THEN WE HAD THOSE OPEN HOUSES, WHERE WE STARTED TO DIG INTO KIND OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THIS VISION THROUGH SPECIFIC STRATEGIES. AND THOSE WERE THE STRATEGIES THAT HELPED US ADDRESS THE, THE REDLINING THAT YOU WILL SEE TONIGHT. OKAY, AGAIN, JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, AS AN UPDATE HERE , ACTUALLY, SO THAT NUMBER HAS CHANGED. SO 1477, I THINK THE LAST UPDATE WAS THAT 1200. SO EVEN 250 MORE SURVEY RESPONSES. OVER 10,000 VIEWS ON THE WEBSITE, WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE. SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE TURNOUT. AGAIN, TO REMIND YOU, THESE ARE THE, THE BIG PICTURE TOPIC AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONSERVING AND PROTECTING OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND WILDLIFE HABITATS, ENSURING RESIDENTS OF ALL INCOME LEVELS HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. DEVELOP MORE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FRIENDLY TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. PROTECT THE AGRICULTURAL LAND BY DIRECTING GROWTH TO AREAS SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE. ALL OF THESE THINGS, AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE, WILL POP UP IN THE REDLINES. WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT RURAL AREA BY, AGAIN, DIRECTING GROWTH, TO STEAL MIKE'S TERMINOLOGY, KIND OF CREATING A MAGNET TO THE AREAS THAT ARE SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE. PROTECTING GROW THE COUNTY WATER'S SUPPLY. PRESERVE RURAL AREA AND CHARACTER. MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE ROADWAYS. EXPAND THE PARKS AND RECREATION OPEN SYSTEM. THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SPLITTING UP THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE REDLINE. RECOGNIZE, PROTECT, AND ENHANCE THE HISTORIC RESOURCES OF THIS COUNTY. AND THEN IMPROVE THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS. SO THOSE WERE THE BIG PICTURE ITEMS THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS IN THE PLAN. WHAT YOU WILL FIND, AND AS MIKE DESCRIBED, WE ARE, YOU'RE SEEING THE REDLINES, SO WE'RE ADDRESSING THE PLANNING HORIZON THROUGHOUT THE PLAN. WE'VE GOT TO ADJUST DIFFERENT NAMES THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME, THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED IN THE STATUTES, SO YOU'LL SEE THE REFERENCES THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED, WHETHER IT'S THE FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, UPDATED THE MAP SERIES. WE ALSO NEEDED TO REFLECT SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED RECENTLY THAT, AGAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED -- THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED. THERE ARE, HAVE BEEN SOME PREEMPTION ON ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS, FLOATING SOLAR FACILITIES AND THE LIKE. WE CONSOLIDATED SOME, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO ENTER. SO THE INTENT IS TO MOVE ALL OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT'S ELEMENT, AND THAT FOR ONE VERY SPECIFIC REASON, AND THAT'S TO REDUCE REDUNDANCY , BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE IT IN TWO DIFFERENT CHAPTERS, YOU CHANGE ONE, YOU MAY FORGOT TO CHANGE THE OTHER. SO AGAIN, THE INTENT IS TO MOVE ALL OF THEM TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT. WE DID SPLIT UP THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT, SO NOW THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ELEMENTS, BECAUSE THE VERY SPECIFIC TOPICS NOW THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH RESILIENCY AND VULNERABILITY. SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT SEPARATION TO HAPPEN NOW. AND THEN WE CREATED THAT NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH, AGAIN, THAT WAS PART OF THE CHARGE WHEN WE WERE INITIALLY BROUGHT ON BOARD. OKAY, SO WHEN LOOKING AT THE LAND-USE ELEMENT, OR FUTURE LAND-USE ELEMENT, WE LOOKED AT, AGAIN, WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK ABOUT THE DEVELOPING AREA BOUNDARY. SO WE ESTABLISHED NEW CRITERIA, IF AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARY. WE PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY FOR INFILL. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS, THOSE ARE THOSE AREAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE KIND OF SQUARING OFF NOTICE, THE ENCLAVES, SO TO SPEAK. AND, AND ALLOWING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR THERE. NOT PUSHING IT OUT INTO THE RURAL AREAS. AGAIN, LISTENING TO THE, DIVISION INITIATIVES, MAKING SURE WE'RE, WE'RE PUSHING THAT, OR, LIKE A MAGNET TO THE AREAS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN REQUIRING THREE HOUSING TYPES FOR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE, THOSE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEX'S, TOWNHOMES, APARTMENT HOUSES, COTTAGE QUARTZ. THESE ARE THINGS THAT HELP PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ARIETY AND HOUSING FOLKS CAN STEP UP IN THE COMMUNITY. SO FROM A TOWNHOME TO SINGLE-FAMILY, SO FORTH. [01:45:01] INCREASING DENSITY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR FROM JACOB ABOUT THE REASON, GOING FROM 13 TO 14. I WON'T STEAL HIS THUNDER, BUT WE DID HAVE A, A SLIGHT TWEAK TO THE DENSITY FACTOR TABLES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. AGAIN, ENHANCING HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEASURES. WE PROVIDED SOME, SOME MORE SPECIFICITY IN HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. YOU'LL SEE WE PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS FOR THE RURAL AREA. ESTABLISHING THAT RURAL ADVISORY BOARD , I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NAME IS YET, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO PROVIDE THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ACTIONABLE. WE REMOVED IMPERVIOUS SERVICE RATIOS . AGAIN, THIS IS PURPOSEFUL, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE IT IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF YOU HAVE IT IN TWO PLACES, AGAIN, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY YOU END UP WITH INCONSISTENCIES. ALSO, IT'S BEST PRACTICE TO REMOVE THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OR REGULATIONS AND PUT THEM IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPER CODE WHERE THEY BELONG. AND THEN ESTABLISHING SPECIFIC CRITERIA. IT'S, THE CRITERIA THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, THERE'S SOME OTHER LANGUAGE THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S THE, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE BUFFER OR CERTAIN PERCENTAGES THAT, AGAIN, SHOULD GO IN THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE. IN MANY CASES, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. SO JUST LIKE ME, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS, OR EVEN THE BUILDING COVERAGE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE ACREAGE OF A PUD. SO THE PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENTS GOING FROM 10 ACRES TO 40 ACRES, BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, 10 ACRES IS A PRETTY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE CONSIDERING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. SO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS WERE INITIALLY CREATED TO PROVIDE FOR INNOVATIVE BUILDING TECHNIQUES. WE'VE KIND OF USED THAT AS A CRUTCH. IN A LOT OF CASES, MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THIS. MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT TO IMPLEMENT THE FUTURE LAND-USE CATEGORY THAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED. SO THEY JUST SAY, OH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL DO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. SO EVERYTHING'S IN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S BASICALLY CONTRACT ZONING FOR EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THAT LAND-USE CATEGORY. MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT THAT CATEGORY CONSISTENTLY. AND THEN, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, NOT REQUIRING PUD'S FOR EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHIN A SPECIFIC CATEGORY LIKE THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT FOR, FOR EXAMPLE. OKAY, FOR THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, REMOVING REFERENCES TO THE TRAFFIC ELEMENT, THAT'S AN OLD REFERENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES THAT WERE UNDER CERTAIN POPULATION HAD TO HAVE, BUT NOW IT'S A TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, LOOKING AT MULTIPLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. CONVERTED SOME TEXT TO TABLES. MAKE IT EASIER TO READ. PROVIDING FOR SEPARATED BIKE LANES, SPECIFICALLY FOR ROADS OVER 30 MILES AN HOUR. THAT'S SOMETHING. MORE FROM A COMPLETE STREETS PERSPECTIVE. AGAIN, INCORPORATING COMPLETE STREETS, WHICH IS THE MOVEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR MULTIPLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND KIND OF FORCING US TO THINK ABOUT ADDITIONAL MODES. REQUIRING OF COORDINATION WITH RESPECT TO FUTURE PASSENGER RAIL APARTMENT. I KNOW THAT MAY NOT BE A REALITY TODAY, BUT JUST TO, WE'RE LOOKNG AT 25 YEARS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BECOME A REALITY, YOU KNOW? WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN CENTRAL FLORIDA, AND IT FINALLY DID. POLICY TO EXPAND THE FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT. WE TALKED ABOUT, WE HEARD IT EARLIER TODAY . TRANSIT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. HOW DO WE SERVE THE FOLKS IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF TOWN? HOW DO WE GET THEM DOWN TO SAINT AUGUSTINE? YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. OKAY. WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT, AGAIN, WE HAD EMPHASIZED INCREASING THE HOUSING SUPPLY IN THE VARIETY OF, OF HOUSING TYPES TO HELP WITH AFFORDABILITY. IT'S NOT A SILVER BULLET, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE TECHNIQUES, AGAIN, EXPANDING THE, THE SUPPLY. AGAIN, PROVIDING FOR ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. INCREASING THE COOPERATION COORDINATION WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND AGENCIE THAT DEAL WITH HOUSING. AND THEN ENSURING THAT -- HAS SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES TO HELP PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT A HUGE, NOT HUGE CHANGES HERE . CONSOLIDATED THE SEWER AND PORTABLE WATER GOALS, BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, ALL OF THE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES WERE ESSENTIALLY REPEATED, JUST SWAPPED POTABLE WATER FOR SEWER. SO THAT MADE SENSE TO, TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE. AND THEN [01:50:10] STRENGTHEN LANGUAGE TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT WHERE EXISTING WATER AND SEWER LINES ARE AVAILABLE. AGAIN, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING WHERE WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY. AND THEN ADDING ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, PROVIDING FOR TIME FRAMES TO ENSURE LOS IS MAINTAINED AND MET THROUGH THE, THE HORIZON PLAN. AND THEN WITH COASTAL MANAGEMENT, UPDATED LANGUAGE TO LIMIT NEW SEAWALL, NOW THAT'S, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE HEARD. ADDITIONAL POLICIES REGARDING WATER DEPENDENT USES, PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC RECREATIONAL COMMERCIAL WORKING WATERFRONT, LIMITING PHIL AND WETLANDS OR OPEN WATER TO ALLOW WATER RELATED USES. NOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY MAYBE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW, BUT AGAIN, MAYBE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, WE CAN KIND OF HELP DISCOURAGE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. LIMIT INFRASTRUCTURE IN AREAS EXPECTED TO BE SUBJECTED TO FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISE, AND THEN, OF COURSE, IMPLEMENTING THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. WE'RE ADVANCING THAT TO POTENTIAL ADAPTATION ACTION AREAS THROUGH YOUR RESILIENCY WORK ON THE COAST. AND ON THE RIVER. UPDATE THE LDC TO REQUIRE 100% NATIVE OR -- LANDSCAPING. SORRY, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE CONSERVATION ELEMENT. ENCOURAGE THE PROTECTION OF WETLANDS THROUGH INCENTIVES, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE DENSITY FACTOR AND HELPING US PRESERVE MORE WETLANDS THROUGH PROVIDING ADDITIONAL DENSITY. ENCOURAGE THE PROTECTION, OR, PARDON ME, REQUIRE REMOVAL OF INVASIVE PLANT SPECIES. CREATE A RURAL LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM. THAT WOULD BE KIND OF AT THE, THE COUNTY LEVEL. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE UP ON THAT. PROVIDE FOR FUNDING FOR THE LAMP PROGRAM, AND, AND THAT NEEDS MORE CONSISTENT FUNDING, MAYBE EVEN A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE. LOOKING AT POTENTIAL IMPACT FEES. I KNOW THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT. ENCOURAE MORE CONNECTED GREEN SPACES. PROMOTE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES AND ADVOCACY EFFORTS. OKAY. FOR RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, PROVIDING FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESSIBILITY TO PARKS AND PARK AMENITIES. ESTABLISHING PARK AMENITIES, OPEN SPACES, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, AGES AND WATERWAYS, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING FOR THOSE CONNECTIONS THAT INCENTIVIZE NEW DEVELOPMENT TO DEDICATE PARKLAND IN LIEU OF THE RECREATIONAL AND BACK FEED. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. THAT WAS AT OUR LAST UPDATE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOW IN REDLINE, FIVE ACRES PER THOUSAND FOR ACTIVE AND, PARDON ME, FIVE ACRES PER THOUSAND FOR PASSIVE. AND THAT'S TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, REALLY HONE IN ON WHAT TYPES OF PARK FACILITIES WE NEED. AND I DO WANT TO JUST MENTION THE PARKS AND, OR THE RECREATION OPEN-SPACE ELEMENT IS NOT A PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, WHICH I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND THE COUNTY TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT YOUR PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN AND REALLY BRING IT BACK TO THE FOREFRONT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THE LEVEL OF RECREATION IN THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. WE MOVED THE GREENWAY, BIKEWAY, AND TRAIL OBJECTIVE FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT TO RECREATION OPEN-SPACE. FELT LIKE THAT WAS A BETTER SPACE FOR IT. AND THEN, AGAIN, PROVIDED FOR THAT, THAT REALLY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT'S MORE STANDARD, REGULATORY IN NATURE TO BE MOVED TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. NOT A LOT TO SAY HERE ON AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION. JUST STREAMLINED AND REMOVE SOME DUPLICATIVE TEXT, AND THEN, OF COURSE, MAINTAINING THAT MEMBERSHIP WITH THE JAX USA PARTNERSHIP. YOU'RE NOT QUITE LIKE SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORK IN. POLK COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS 17 CITIES THAT THEY HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, COORDINATE WITH. SO YOU'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION HERE. SO MOST OF YOUR COORDINATION HAPPENS AT, LIKE, A REGIONAL LEVEL, WHICH YOU DO VERY WELL WITH. OKAY. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO WE PROVIDED FOR CHANGES THAT ARE RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO FLORIDA STATUTES, THIS BEING, YOU KNOW, PREPARING A SEPARATE ACCOUNT FOR PLAN IMPROVEMENTS WHEN ACCEPTING CONTRIBUTIONS, ESTABLISHING A LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS FOR PAED TRAIL AND BEACH ACCESS, SO [01:55:02] THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE NEW. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST UPDATE, BUT PROVIDING .1 MILE PER 1000 RESIDENTS FOR TRAILS, AND THEN ONE ACCESS POINT FOR EVERY HALF MILE OF SHORELINE. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS. AND THEN , AS YOU KNOW, WE REVISED THE, THE LLS, AS I MENTIONED, RECREATION OPEN-SPACE ELEMENT. OKAY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THIS WAS PART OF THE CHARGE. WE WENT AHEAD AND, AND TOOK THIS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPING STRATEGIC PLAN AND MADE SURE WE PROVIDED KIND OF SOME IMPLEMENTABLE ACTION ITEMS AT THE COMP PLAN LEVEL, MAKING SURE -- GOING TO COMPETE WITH ANY OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON. SO RETAINING AND FACILITATING THE EXPANSION OF EXISTING HIGH GROWTH BUSINESSES. YOU'LL SEE THAT THROUGHOUT THE, THE ELEMENT ATTRACTING HIGH GROWTH BUSINESSES, SUPPORTING STARTUPS AND ENTREPRENEURIAL ACTIVITY, ESTABLISHING A HEALTHY WORKFORCE PIPELINE THROUGH CURRICULUM AND OTHER MEASURES. BUILD AND MAINTAIN PARTNERSHIPS THAT SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OKAY, WE'RE ALMOST DONE HERE. UPCOMING TENTATIVE DATES. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT JUNE 5TH AS BEING THE PCA MEETING, AND THEN THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON JULY 15TH. AND AS MIKE MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE HERE IN MOVING FORWARD, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO JACOB. HE'LL PROVIDE YOU QUICK ANALYSIS ON THE, THE DENSITY FACTOR. >> THANK YOU, CHRIS. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT, FOR THE RECORD. I'M GOING TO START OUT HERE, A COUPLE THINGS I'M GOING TO PUT ON THE OVERHEAD. THE FIRST OF WHICH, IF I CAN STRAIGHTEN IT OUT THERE, IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS, THIS MAP, JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THE COMMISSIONERS TO UNDERSTAND, RIHT, THIS IS THE MAP WE USE TO, TO DETERMINE DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY. THIS IS EFFECTIVELY OUR CURRENT MAP. THE ONLY PROPOSED CHANGE TO OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS CHANGING THE DATE FROM 2025 TO 2050. SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT MAP, AND IT'S OUR PROPOSED FUTURE MAP. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. IT WASN'T PART OF THIS PACKET, AND I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE THAT IT OUT THERE AND IT'S NOT PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED OTHER THAN THE HORIZON DATE. WE DO HAVE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES MADE PART OF THIS PACKET, AND THIS IS SLIGHTLY UPDATED. MORE SPECIFICALLY IN DENSITY. SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED-USE DENSITY I HAVE UP HERE, THEY'RE UNDER THE MAIN, MAINLAND AREA. I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT. WHAT WE'RE REALLY PROVIDING FOR IS THE STANDARD DENSITY THAT WAS ALREADY APPLICABLE IN OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE WAS ONE CHANGE. CHRIS MENTIONED IT. RESIDENTIAL D, THE DENSITY AND THE DENSITY FOR MIXED-USE WENT FROM 13 UNITS PER ACRE TO 14 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT WAS TO HELP US DO SOME SIMPLE MATH WITH THE REST OF IT. IN ORDER TO OFFER INCREASED DENSITY IN THESE INFILL AREAS THAT CHRIS HIGHLIGHTED, AGAIN, CERTAIN POCKETS OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR AND AREAS OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE DOWNTOWN CORE DOOR, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE DENSITY BONUSES, AND WE, WE UTILIZED DENSITY BONUSES THAT WERE ALREADY PART OF OUR COMPRESSIVE PLAN, BUT WE INCREASED THEIR, THE RATE OF, OF DENSITY. SO THE, THE, THE TWO BIGGEST PARTS OF THIS ARE WETLAND PRESERVATION AND WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO FOR WETLAND PRESERVATION, THE EXISTING DENSITY BONUS THAT WE OFFERED WAS 10%. THAT DIDN'T, THAT DIDN'T PROVIDE A, A SUBSTANTIAL DENSITY BONUS FOR PRESERVING THOSE WETLANDS, SO WHAT WE MOVED TO WAS TO PROVIDE 100% DENNIS A BONUS IN RESIDENTIAL A, IN OTHER WORDS, FOR EVERY ACRE OF WETLAND, YOU WOULD GET ONE UNIT. AND THEN FOR THE OTHER DENSITY CATEGORIES, A 50%. IF YOU WERE TO PRESERVE AN ACRE OF WETLAND YOU GET 50% AND YOU WERE ENTITLED FOR YOUR UPLAND ACREAGE LIKEWISE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONING DISTRICT, WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS SPECIFICALLY WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING. AND SO WE PROVIDED SIMILAR STANDARDS TO ENHANCE THE DENSITY FOR THOSE AREAS. [02:00:03] HISTORICALLY, OUR COMPRESSIVE PLAN HASN'T HAD A CAP ON UTILIZING THESE OPTIONAL DENSITY PLANS, AND BY THAT I MEAN, IN EFFECT, YOU COULD STACK THEM. AFTER DOING SOME ANALYSIS, IT, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE US TO A VERY, VERY HIGH DENSITY THAT MIGHT NOT BE PALATABLE. AND SO AFTER ANALYZING THAT WITH THE OPTIONAL DENSITY FACTORS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE CAPPED MAXIMUM DENSITY TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE FOR REDS A, FOUR UNITS FOR RESIDENTIAL B, NINE UNITS FOR C, AND 21 FOR D AND OUR MIXED-USE DISTRICTS. THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO OUR COASTAL AREA, AND SO THEY REMAIN AT THE DENSITIES PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY, ONE, TWO, FOUR, AND EIGHT, RESPECTIVELY. THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. IF THEY ARE, I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO ANY OF THIS STUFF. I HAVE MORE DETAILS, AND WILLING TO DISCUSS AS NEEDED. MR. ROBERSON HAD ASKED ME THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY ONE MORE MAP I NEGLECTED ON HERE. ALONG WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, ONE OF THE MAPS THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON UPDATING IS OUR TRANSPORTATION CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT MAP. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT TOO MUCH, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. D'SOUZA CERTAINLY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR YOU . >> IF YOU COULD JUST GO BACK TO YOUR LAST PAGE THAT YOU HAD. YUP. THAT ONE. YEAH, PUT THAT UP THERE. JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF THE -- WHERE IT SAYS WETLANDS PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION, WOULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SOMEONE COULD GET, OF, OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK IF SOMEONE CAME TO YOU AND SAID I'M GOING TO PRESERVE AN ACRE OF WETLANDS, AND WHAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE IN RETURN FOR THAT? >> SURE. SO OUR CURRENT COMPRESSIVE PLAN, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY PUT THIS LANGUAGE UP HERE, BUT IT, IT ACTUALLY ALREADY PROVIDES A LANGUAGE FOR IT. SO ESSENTIALLY, IT SAYS THAT THE DEVELOPER OR AN APPLICANT HAS TO PROVIDE PROOF TO THE COUNTY THAT THE LAND HAS BEEN CONSERVED THROUGH EASEMENT OR POTENTIALLY GRANTED TO, YOU KNOW, THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR THE COUNTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR PERPETUAL CONSERVATION EASEMENT. SO THEY HAD TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT LAND HAS BEEN CONSERVED, AND THEN THEY CAN UTILIZE THAT DENSITY BONUS. >> OKAY, AND SO WHAT WE THREE DENSITY BONUS FOR THAT CONSERVATION WOULD LOOK LIKE? >> SO I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW ALONG, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS DOESN'T ZOOM IN QUITE SO WELL. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ABOUT OUR, THE MIDDLE OF OUR PAGE. SO WE'RE DEALING, THIS IS A REAL PARCEL THAT I, THAT I PULLED UP. IT'S 119 TOTAL ACRE PARCEL, AND 95 ACRES OF THIS PARCEL ARE WET. AND SO IF AN APPLICANT WAS TO PRESERVE 95 ACRES OF WETLANDS, THEY WOULD GET TWO UNITS, WHICH IS 50% OF THE RESIDENTIAL B MAXIMUM, WHICH IS, OH, THAT'S A TYPO THERE. SO WE WOULD HAVE ONE , APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE WOULD HAVE ONE UNIT, WHICH IS 50% OF THE RESIDENTIAL B BASE DENSITY, WHICH WOULD GRANT 95 UNITS. SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD THAT 95 UNITS TO THEIR BASE DENSITY OF 48, AND THEY WOULD END UP AT 143 UNITS, OR 5.9 UNITS PER ACRE, IS WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT DENSITY BONUS WOULD ALLOW THEM. SO BECAUSE THAT LED TO CREEP IN HOW IT COULD BE USED IS THAT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY CAPPED AT FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WHEN YOU START STACKING THESE, IT, IT BECAME A SITUATION WHERE , IF YOU START STACKING THESE DENSITY BONUSES, YOU CAN KIND OF GO ON AND ON AND ON, SO HAD TO ESTABLISH A CAP FOR IT. IN THIS CASE, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. SO THEY COULD GO UP TO FOUR UNITS PER ACRE WITH THE WETLAND DENSITY BONUS. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM ONLY. I JUST WANT TO CHECK WITH YOU. ARE YOU GOING TO CHOOSE TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WERE HERE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I AGREE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> ARNOLD? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST [02:05:04] BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLC COMMENT, MIKE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP HERE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION, WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR FALSE, MISINFORMATION THAT KIND OF GONE AROUND ONLINE ABOUT THIS. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CLARIFY, JUST BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER. >> OKAY. >> NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. NO, I THINK STAFF DID A GOOD JOB WITH THE PRESENTATION, AND WE'LL BE HERE IF SOMETHING POPPED UP. I'LL BE SURE TO TRY TO CLARIFY IT. >> AWESOME, THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT -- >> YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MIKE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN COMING TO ME IN MY INBOX. ARE WE LOSING OUR RIGHT TO CONSIDER INFRASTRUCTURE OR COMPATIBILITY AS A REASON TO DENY OR APPROVE A PROJECT BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS CONFERENCE OF PLAN UPDATE? >> NOT AT ALL. >> SO WE WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE LEGAL RIGHT TO CONSIDER COMPATIBILITY IN INFRASTRUCTURE AS A REASON TO APPROVE OR DENY A DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD IF WE ADOPT THE PROPOSED REDLINE? WHICH I REALIZE IS A STARTING POINT. BUT IF WE, IF WE ADOPT THIS PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION, WE'D STILL BE ABLE TO CONSIDER COMPATIBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. >> ABSOLUTELY. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER? >> I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS REGARDING THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE MOVED TO THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE FROM THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. SO I DO HAVE A VERY MUCH A CONCERN OF THAT. I DON'T WANT THINGS MOVED OUT OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND INTO THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE. I WOULD MUCH RATHER THEY STAY IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, AND THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH OVERREACH FROM OUR STATE. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE THAT WE COULD DO AT OUR COUNTY LEVEL, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP WHAT LITTLE BIT WE DO HAVE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SAY, BY MOVING THINGS OUT OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. SO I JUST WANT THAT -- TO BE CLEAR. >> YES MA'AM. >> CHAIR? >> YES MA'AM, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS PLAN. THE FIRST THING I SAW WHEN I LOOKED AT IT WAS, IS THIS OUR COUNTY? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS SHOULD BE OUR COUNTY. AND IT'S NOT WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE. I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD FROM ANYONE WHO WANTS ANY OF THESE THINGS. AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED, BECAUSE WE LITERALY HAVE FOUR MEETINGS LEFT. IT IS BEYOND CLOSE TO WHEN IT SHOULD BE. AND WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT, WE'RE TAKING 1500 PEOPLE THAT BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, SURVEYS OR CAME TO THE MEETINGS. WE HAVE 300,000 PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY. REALLY NOT A PERFECT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE WANT. I MEAN, ALL I CAN HEAR IS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND CATCHING UP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. I DON'T SEE A 10 YEAR PLAN ON HERE. AND THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD GO TO JUNE 5TH IS COMPLETELY, WE NEED A REALITY CHECK HERE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL. AND I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE GOING TO, FROM THE COMP PLAN INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE EXCEPT FOR GETTING TWO MORE MEETINGS BEFORE THE JUNE 5TH, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GO PAGE BY PAGE, OR WE NEED TO SAY, LOOK, LET'S PUSH THIS FORWARD. HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. EDIT TO TRANSMITTAL, AND THEN DO THE CHANGES AS WE GO WHEN WE NEED THEM. I GUESS THAT'S MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? >> IL AT THE >> OKAY. >> OH, THERE WILL BE. THANK YOU. >> YEAH, WELL, THE, SO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE TAKING THE LANGUAGE OUT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, OUT OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN BECAUSE OF DUPLICATION. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE LANGUAGE THAT IS DUPLICATED? AND WHAT EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE IF IT'S NOT IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN ON OUR SOVEREIGNTY -- TO THE POINT THE COMMISSIONER MADE? >> IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL AVAILABLE. IT'S STILL THERE, LIKE THE COMPATIBILITY. I'LL LET CHRIS TALK TO IT, BECAUSE HE IS AN EXPERT IN THIS WORK IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS. HE HAD GOOD REASONS FOR THE TESTING THAT THEY REMOVED. AGAIN, THE COMMISSIONER CAN ULTIMATELY DECIDE NOT TO MOVE THEM, AND THAT'S OKAY, BUT I LET HIM TALK TO IT. >> COMMISSIONERS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN SHOULD BE A BIG PICTURE POLICY GUIDING DOCUMENT. TYPICALLY NOT A REGULATORY DOCUMENT THAT'S REGULATING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO WHEN YOU'RE UPDATING YOUR PLAN, RIGHT, THE PLAN GOES TO THE STATE. SO THE STATE HAS THE ABILITY TO OPINE ON YOUR THE RELEVANT REGULATIONS, IF THEY ARE IN YOUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH YOUR LAND OF ELEMENT CODE. SO YOUR LENGTH OF ELEMENT CODE IS, IN FACT, YOUR LOCAL REGULATORY DOCUMENT. THAT DOES NOT GO TO THE STATE FOR ANY REVIEW, RIGHT? SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. NOW, YOUR CODE, YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN, WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE BUILT INTO THE STATUTES THAT YOU MUST UPDATE YOUR LAND OF ELEMENT CODE WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF UPDATING YOUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN. SO, AGAIN, THE, THE COMP [02:10:05] PLAN IS YOUR BIG PICTURE POLICY DOCUMENT THAT HELPS GUIDE THE GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY, AND YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE THE MORE SPECIFIC FINE-GRAINED STANDARDS THAT HELP US GET THERE. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> NO, I STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE, I STILL DO NOT WANT TO MOVE IT OUT OF THAT CONFERENCE OF PLAN. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? >> WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? OKAY. I'LL WAIT FOR THEM. >> ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE COPPERHEADS OF PLAN UPDATE SO FAR. SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THAT. AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DENVER COOK, PROTECTED ADDRESS. LIVE HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I SAW TODAY. NUMBER ONE, WHAT WE, THE COMMUNITY, NOW HAVE LOOKED AT HAS BEEN A FEW SLIDES ON A POWERPOINT OUTLINING A COUPLE OF TOP LINES OF SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO A REAL CONVERSATION. AND I GET THAT HE'S SAYING IT'S A TOP-DOWN LOOK, NOT WHERE A COUNTY MAY END UP GOING SOMEDAY, BUT IT'S NOT A VERY IN-DEPTH ONE, OR A VERY CLEAR ONE. I'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF THINGS TALKED ABOUT, RUMORS AND WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO INCLUDED IN THIS, THIS PLAN, APPARENTLY THERE'S HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, OR RAISED TO A LEVEL OF SOMEWHERE IN THE 85 FOOT RANGE IN SOME PLACES, WHICH IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH ANYTHING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. EXCEPT MAYBE A CELL TOWER AND BOUGHT AVEDA BEACH, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. SO WHAT I THINK THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHAIR BROUGHT UP EARLIER, THAT AFTER ALL THE QUESTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY AND ALL THE ANSWERS AND EVERYTHING, THIS COMP PLAN DOESN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING TO PRESERVE OUR WAY OF LIFE. IT ACTUALLY DOES THE OPPOSITE. I AM TALKING ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION THINGS. I WILL JUST TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET RAIL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CARVE OUT SPACE IN OUR ROADS IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NOW. BUT SOMEHOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT RAIL IN THIS COMMUNITY? IT'S A LITTLE RIDICULOUS. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR REQUEST TO, YOU KNOW, AS A CONSULTING FIRM ON WHAT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING FOR, BUT CLEARLY I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DELIVERED TO YOU OR THIS COMMUNITY WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. SO IF YOU ASK ME WHAT WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO DO, I WOULD LIKE ONE OF YOU TO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE THIS ENTIRE PLAN, SEND IT BACK TO THEM TO BE REDONE COMPLETELY , AND BROUGHT BACK AND RE-PRESENTED IN A FASHION THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THESE GROWTH ISSUES FOR DECADES, AND NONE OF ITS BEING ADDRESSED IN THIS. WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE MISMANAGEMENT AND , I CAN'T, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL OF IT RIGHT NOW. WE CAN DISCUSS IT DURING BUDGET HEARINGS. BUT WHAT WE'RE NOT BEING DELIVERED, WHEN I SEE PRESENTED UP THERE, THAT WE WANT TO GET FURTHER INCENTIVES TO DEVELOPMENT TO GIVE US PARKLAND AND NO IMPACT FEES, SO WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM FOR LAND WE HAD TO BUILD A KNOCK AT THE IMPACT FEE IS, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? THEY'RE TURNING OUT $110 MILLION BOND GROWING MORE OF OUR DEBT FOR A FEW PARKS AND SOME LIBRARIES, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO START PAYING DEVELOPERS FOR LAND? SO HOW ARE WE, THEN, GOING TO BUILD THOSE PARKS? YOU KNOW? I, AND I GO BACK TO OUR SCHOOLS. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? IS THERE ANY THOUGHT IN ANY OF THAT? OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, WENT FROM $150 MILLION IN DEBT TO $610 MILLION IN DEBT, AND WE'LL PROBABLY PASS $1 MILLION IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF BECAUSE OF THE NOVEMBER VOTE. MADNESS NEEDS TO STOP. THIS COMP PLAN NEEDS TO SHOW THAT Y'ALL ARE HERE TO STOP THE MADNESS. >> IF I MAY, PAT, PAT, BEFORE YOU COME UP. I KNOW WE HAVE A DESIGNATED SPEAKER THAT WAS TO BE GIVEN 10 MINUTES. WHO'S THE REPRESENTATIVE? IS A REPRESENTATIVE -- IS THAT YOU? >> YES SIR. NOT OFTEN TODAY, BECAUSE HE IS HAVING A BABY. >> OKAY. SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE THEIR, THEIR TIME TO MS. BRADING TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. SO SHE GETS AN EXTRA 10 MINUTES. BE QUALIFIED FOR IT, IF I'M CORRECT. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? PILOT? YUP. >> THE OTHER CLARIFICATION IS THAT IT'S LESS TIME TOTAL BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT SEE IT -- THE OTHER TIME WOULD HAVE MORE TIME TOTAL TO TALK THEN THEY'RE CEDING TO THESE PEOPLE. SO IT WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY TALK FOR THE MEETING. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AND TOM INGRAHAM IS WITH ME AS WELL FOR OUR 10 MINUTES TO HAVE FEWER SPEAKERS. [02:15:02] >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU PUT 10 MINUTES ON THE CLOCK FOR ME, AND BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE -- >> ARE THOSE PEOPLE HERE? >> THERE IS A, THERE IS A QUALIFICATION PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO GET AN EXTRA AMOUNT OF MINUTES, AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE QUALIFICATION PROCESS, SO WHETHER THEY'RE HERE OR NOT IS NOT RELEVANT TO ME. >> CAN WE RESET MY CLOCK, PLEASE? WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUND FOR 47 PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP TO GO OVER. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS, STEPH, FOR RESPONDING -- >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> YOU'RE SO RIGHT, I'M SORRY. BETH BRADING, BIRMINGHAM -- I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF NEFF BUT TODAY, AS IS TOM INGRAHAM. I'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR RESPONDING WITH PATIENT TO MY ENDLESS CALLS AND EMAILS ABOUT THIS COMP PLAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. I'D LIKE TO SAY, MOVING SOMETHING FROM THE COMP PLAN TO THE LAND DEVELOPING CODE DOES NOT REMOVE ANY OF THE COUNTY RIGHTS. WE STILL HAVE TO ADHERE 100% TO WHAT'S IN THERE. THE YEAR 2025 YEARS AGO WAS THE LAST TIME THE COMP PLAN MAP WAS MODIFIED BY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, AND NOW WE'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS. WE HAVE GOT TO WORK ON THAT MAP, AND I'M GOING TO GET SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO SHOW WHY. THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY EXAMPLES OF ALL OF THE ERRORS IN THE MAPS. I KNOW THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE I WORKED ON SOMETHING OFF RUSSELL SAMPSON ROAD, SO THE GREEN AREA IS GORD ISLAND CONSERVATION AREA, AND IT HAS A LOT OF RASPBERRY AND REST C, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OWNED BY WATER MANAGEMENT AND UNDERRATE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND PERPETUITY. SO A LOT OF THE UNITS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPING, THEY'RE UNDER CONSERVATION. EXACT SAME THING, I KNOW FOR A FACT, MITIGATION BANKS, BECAUSE I'M IN CHARGE OF QUITE A FEW OF THEM, THERE'S AT LEAST 10,000 ACRES THAT ARE IN RURAL CIVIC CULTURE, WHICH ALLOWS ONE HOUSE PER 40 ACRES. THEY'RE UNDER A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS WELL, SO THOSE UNITS SHOULD NOT BE COUNTED. SO WE NEED TO REMOVE THE MISTAKES, CORRECT THOSE, AND ADD TO THE MAP FOR THE UNITS THAT ARE BEING COUNTED THAT CANNOT BE USED IN THE FUTURE. THAT BEING SAID, NOT ALL PARCELS THAT ARE DESIGNATED WITH DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HAD SELLERS WILLING TO SELL. THEY ALSO WILL NOT ALL BE RESIDENTIAL. SOME WILL BE COMMERCIAL. BUT WE'RE COUNTING THEM AS IF EVERY SINGLE PARCEL THAT ON THE MAP IS UP FOR SALE TODAY TO BE BROUGHT TO DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL ONLY. THAT IS A MISCOUNT, AND THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. THAT BEING SAID, IN THE LAND-USE ELEMENT, THE MAP FOR, THE MAP SAID IT WAS GOOD FOR 25 YEARS, BUT IN A121, IT SAYS 10 YEARS. 10 YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH OF A PLANNING HORIZON. DEVELOPMENT TAKES THREE TO FIVE YEARS BY THE TIME WE APPLY FOR A REZONING , IF WE'RE GRANTED THE REZONING, TO GET ALL PERMITS AND TO HAVE LOTS READY TO SELL. SO IF WE'RE ONLY DOING A 10 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON, THAT, WE ARE GOING TO BE SHORT OF LOTS VERY SOON. A123, FOR ANY REQUEST TO MODIFY THE FUTURE COMP PLAN, THE CRITERIA IS SO STRINGENT. AFTER DISCUSSING WITH STAFF, THEY SAID THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY CRITERIA, IT'S KIND OF A POTENTIAL WISH LIST. BUT SAYING THAT UTILITIES HAVE TO BE NO MORE THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY, IT'S A LOT. THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE DEFINITION OF MISSING MIDDLE IS. WE NEED TO ADD THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE REFERENCES TO MISSING MIDDLE IN A127, AND A1 15, IT WANTS THREE SEPARATE HOUSING TYPES. IF YOU HAVE 50 ACRES. THREE, BY THE TIME, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN THE NORTHWEST, YOU PUT IN YOUR BUFFERS, YOUR 25% OPEN SPACE, YOUR 50% TO 30% STORMWATER, YOU TAKE YOUR DEVELOPMENT INTO ACCOUNT FOR ROADS, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM LEFT THAT'S DEVELOPABLE TO PUT IN THREE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES, AND THE SAME BUILDER DOESN'T GENERALLY BUILD ALL OF THOSE TYPES. SO YOU'RE TELLING THREE DIFFERENT BUILDERS THEY HAVE TO GET TOGETHER SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A FIVE ACRE PLOT HERE AND A DEVELOPMENT MIGHT GET TURNED DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE BEING FORCED TO ADD APARTMENTS. THE, THE MARKET DOESN'T WANT APARTMENTS, AND THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT APARTMENTS. SO WE'RE STUCK COMING IN ASKING FOR A PRODUCT THAT WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT. WE, WE WANT TO BE COMPATIBLE AS EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS US TO BE COMPATIBLE, SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE FORCED TO BRING A PRODUCT IN THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO CHECK A BOX. A1 11 3, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN GETTING MIXED-USE AS MIXED-USE WITHOUT REQUIRING THE MIX OF USES. A BUSINESS COMES IN LIKE A KEY HE AND THEY WANT TO DO A 40 ACRE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT , I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PLACE TO TELL THEM, I'M SORRY, YOU MISSED THE CUT OFF OF 30 ACRES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SELL 10 OF THE ACRES TO ANOTHER BUSINESS AND MAKE YOUR BUSINESS SMALLER. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD. I DON'T THINK THAT SMART GROWTH. A21 10, WHEN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR WAS ENACTED AND THEY DECIDED ON A 35 FOOT DEVELOPING EDGE, IT WAS 17 1/2 PER PROJECT. LATER, THEY [02:20:08] INTERPRETED IT TO BE, NO, THAT'S 35 PER SIDE. WHEN I DID MORE BELLA, IT WAS AT 17 1/2 PER SIDE. SO IF YOU TAKE TWO SEPARATE PUD'S, BECAUSE WE'RE FORCED TO DO A PUD NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THAT THE 70 FOOT OFFER. HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE PART OF A LARGER PUD, YOU HAVE NO BUFFER. THAT 70 FOOT IS A TAKING. I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS WRITTEN AS, AND IT'S A TOTAL OF 35 FEET BETWEEN THOSE USES. VERY QUICK, SO TOM CAN HAVE HIS TURN, E144 AND F12, THE THEY SHOULD NOT BE DOING ADDITIONAL REGULATION THAT THE WETLAND AGENCY THAT WATER MANAGEMENT ALREADY DO. THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY BUSINESS. LET THEM BE IN CHARGE, AND TAKE THE CUE FROM THEM. MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR WHAT WAS JUST BEING DISCUSSED ABOUT AGENCIES, I118, IF YOU DO NOT ALLOW THE COMBINING OF FUNDS FOR LARGER PROJECTS, THEN ENOUGH MONEY IS NEVER COLLECTED TO OVERCOME PRICE HIKES, AND NO PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE ROAD SYSTEM TODAY . ALL THE MONEY WAS KEPT IN SEPARATE BUCKETS, AND NOT ENOUGH MONEY EVER GOT COLLECTED TO DO ONE JOB. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PERPETUATE THAT IN THIS COMP PLAN FOR OTHER THINGS, AND I 167, I CAN'T FUNDS BE USED TO FUND EXISTING ROAD DEFICIENCIES? WHEN FAIR SHARE CONCURRENCY IS TO RELATED, DEVELOPER FEES ARE BASED ON ALL DEFICIENCIES. IF YOU DON'T USE THE FUNDS COMING IN FOR THE DEFICIENCIES, NOTHING WILL EVER GET FIXED. SORRY, TOM. >> GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THE HEARING AT NIGHT. THIS IS GREAT. IT'S NICE TO MIX IT UP. I'M TOM INGRAM. MY ADDRESS IS 1617 SAN MARCO BOULEVARD IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, AND I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AS WELL. MY FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE FIRST IS THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP. I'VE SAID THIS A FEW TIMES BEFORE, I KNOW COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND WHITEHURST HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT HOW THAT MAP WAS THE PRODUCT OF PLANNING EFFORTS ON OR ABOUT 1990 AND THE EARLY 1990S, WHEN THE COUNTY ITSELF BEGAN PLANNING THE FUTURE LAND USES FOR THE COUNTY. SINCE THEN, THERE WAS ONE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THAT AROUND 1999 OR 2000. THAT INVOLVED THE 12 MILE SWAMP AND THE AREA IS NOW KNOWN AS TWIN CREEKS AND DURBAN PARK. THERE WAS A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT ALLOWED THE CUMBERLAND TRUST, 12 MILE SWAMP PROPERTY TO BE ACQUIRED BY THE STATE. SO THAT WAS THE LAST REAL BIG COUNTY INITIATED EFFORT TO PLAN FOR GROWTH. SINCE THEN, YOUR, YOUR PLAN IS A PRODUCT OF HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS COMING BEFORE YOU. PEOPLE LIKE ME STANDING UP HERE AND DOING IT. 10 ACRES, 10,000 ACRES, 100 ACRES, WHAT HAVE YOU. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO, TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT MAP, BECAUSE WHAT'S RESULTED FROM THESE INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS IS YOU HAVE WHAT, WHAT ARE COMMONLY KNOWN AS DONUT HOLES OR KEYHOLE'S THAT ARE, THAT ARE KIND OF PARKING PARTICULARLY NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WHERE, WHERE A LANDOWNER MAY HAVE CHOSEN TO WAIT, OR IS NOT SOPHISTICATED, OR SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT FORWARD AN APPLICATION. IT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME, AND NOT NECESSARILY WITH THIS, THIS ADOPTION, BUT AT SOME POINT, THE COUNTY OUGHT TO LOOK AT, AT ACTUALLY PLANNING ITSELF AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE SITES AND SAYING, IS THAT 10 ACRE SITE ACTUALLY RURAL? DOES THAT REALLY MAKE SENSE, OR SHOULD IT BE RES B, LIKE EVERYTHING AROUND IT? QUESTIONS LIKE THAT THAT COULD COME UP, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE . FURTHER, BY ADDING A LITTLE TO THE SUPPLY, BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS CONSENSUS EMERGING THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP SUPPLY LOW. ADDING TO THE SUPPLY WILL GIVE YOU FLEXIBILITY SO THAT WHEN THESE ZONING'S COME BEFORE YOU, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE APPROVED, AS, AS WE ALL KNOW. SO YOU SHOULD NOT SET UP A SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU IN ORDER TO MEET YOUR GROWTH NEEDS. AND THAT'S BAD FOR, FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS. AMONG OTHER THINGS, IT'S LIMITING THE, THE FUTURE RESIDENTS'S CHOICE TO CHOOSE WHERE THEY WISH TO LIVE, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF LIVING IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY, IS TRYING TO FIND THE BEST POSSIBLE HOME THAT I CAN AFFORD. SO, SO THAT'S IT, AND, AND THE OTHER THING I'D SAY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE MAP IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN INFRASTRUCTURE, SO I DON'T BELIEVE THE OUTER BELTWAY IS SHOWN ON HERE. IT'S NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION, SO IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING THE OUTER BELTWAY ON, AS WELL AS 2209 IN THAT FUTURE CORRIDOR, THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS PATRICK HAMILTON, [02:25:11] 2010 WINS AVENUE DOWN IN CRESCENT BEACH. AND WE SPENT THE LAST FIVE OR SIX DAYS TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH THIS BIG DOCUMENT, AND IT'S SOMEWHAT DAUNTING, OF COURSE, BUT I DECIDED THE THINGS THAT I WOULD DISCUSS ARE THE INCREASED AND PROPOSED INCREASED DENSITIES AND INTENSITY THAT IS IN THIS DOCUMENT. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WE HAVE ENOUGH ENTITLED UNITS WITHIN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES TO SUSTAIN THE COUNTY. AND IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO COME FROM JACKSONVILLE AND, AND DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY TO MAKE MORE OF A PROFIT. IT'S, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO WE CONSIDER OUR HOMES. IN THE MAINLAND AREA, THE INCREASE OF MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN RESIDENTIAL C WENT FROM TWO TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT. 14, THE GENTLEMAN, WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING, SET UP TO 21 UNITS FOR RESIDENTIAL D. CHANGES IN MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY FOR COASTAL AREAS ARE FROM .4 TO ONE, FOR RESIDENTIAL A. AGAIN, COASTAL. RESIDENTIAL B, IT STAYED AT TWO UNITS PER ACRE. TWO TO FOUR FOR RESIDENTIAL C, AND FROM FOUR TO EIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL D. THE HEIGHT LIMIT IN CERTAIN, IN CERTAIN AREAS WENT TO 85 FEET. NOW, THE COUNTY IS GENERALLY, IT'S 35 FEET. IT'S, IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, THIS PROPOSAL'S ARE URBANIZING THE COUNTY, AND WE HAVE A FABULOUS COUNTY. IT'S DIVERSE. IT MAKES IT INTERESTING. IT'S WHOLESOME. WE GOT GREAT GOLF COURSES IN THE NORTH. WE HAVE TREMENDOUS HISTORIC AREAS DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE THE GUANA ON IT. CRESCENT BEACH, WE HAVE CLEAN WATER WITH OYSTERS AND CLAMS AND RESEARCH GOING ON. AND TO THE WEST, WE HAVE FARMING. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT ANY SILVER QUEEN CORN AT THE COUNTY LINE MARKET, IT'S BEING PICKED TODAY, BECAUSE I BOUGHT SOME TODAY, AND IT'S THE BEST CORN IN THE WORLD. AND MARYELLEN MASTERS AT THE SAN AMBROSE FAIR GOT WRITTEN UP IN THE NEW YORK TIMES WITH 25 PICTURES MAKING MANURE CAN PEARLY WHEN CLAM CHOWDER, AND IT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US. AND IT'S NOT TO HAVE TRACT HOUSING. FORGIVE ME, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S NOT EASY FOR THOSE GUYS. SO I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT EFFORTS. DON'T INCREASE THE DENSITIES, DON'T INCREASE THE HEIGHTS. LET'S SLOW IT DOWN. I THINK THAT'S A MESSAGE THAT RESONATES WITH THE COUNTY, SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, I'VE GOT A LOT TO COVER, SO I'M GOING TO GO QUICK. 291 CUBBAGE ROAD. SO INSPIRE PLACEMAKING COLLECTIVE HAS DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF GATHERING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND IT'S REALLY INDICATED OVERWHELMINGLY THAT CONSERVATION IS A TOP PRIORITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS PRIORITY IS NOT ADEQUATELY REFLECTED IN THE DRAFT GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE RECOMMENDATION MADE THROUGHOUT TO REMOVE PROVISIONS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HOUSE THEM IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO SOME OF THE SUGGESTED REMOVALS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THE CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERATION FOR REVIEW AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND PROTECTIONS, BEACH ACCESS REQUIREMENTS, IMPERVIOUS SERVICE RATIOS, AND, AMONG OTHER THINGS. SO PROTECTIONS ARE STRONGER WHEN THEY'RE HOUSED IN THE BRAINS OF PLAN THAN THEY ARE WHEN THEY'RE HOUSED IN OUR LAND DEVELOPING CODE. THE LAND OF RELEVANT CODE IS EASIER TO CHANGE. IT'S EASIER TO GET A VARIANCE FROM. OUR COMP PLAN IS THE STRONGER DOCUMENT. AND I WANT TO FLAG A DANGEROUS BILL THAT WOULD REALLY UNDERMINE THESE PROTECTIONS, AND I AM ABOUT TO GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT OF A RABBIT HOLE, SO TRY AND STAY WITH ME. SO SENATE BILL 180, ENTITLED EMERGENCIES, WHICH HAS ALREADY PASSED BOTH CHAMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE AND IS HEADED TOWARDS THE GOVERNOR'S DESK, THIS BILL WOULD PREEMPT COUNTIES AND CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY HURRICANES FROM STRENGTHENING THEIR CONFERENCE OF PLANT AND BLEND OF ELEMENT CODES. THIS BILL STARTED AS AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BILL, AND THE PREEMPTING LANGUAGE WAS SLEPT IN AT THE 11TH HOUR. THE LANGUAGE IN THIS BILL PROHIBITS COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES FROM PROPOSING OR ADOPTING, QUOTE, A MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME AMENDMENT TO ITS CONFERENCE OF PLAN OR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR ONE YEAR FOR HURRICANE PASSES WITHIN 100 MILES OF THE [02:30:02] COUNTY OR CITY. BASED ON LAST YEAR'S HURRICANE SEASON, THIS APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE STATE, INCLUDING ST. JOHNS COUNTY. NOTE THAT THIS LAW WOULD ALLOW COUNTIES AND DISABILITIES TO ADOPT LESS RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS, NOT MORE RESTRICTIVE ONES. SO BY THIS LOGIC, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO REMOVE THESE PROVISIONS FROM OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN, BUT IT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE TRY AND PUT THEM BACK INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPING CODE. IN FACT, THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT MY COLLEAGUE AT SUNCOAST WATER KEEPER IS CURRENTLY DEALING WITH IN MANATEE COUNTY, WHERE THEY REMOVE WETLAND PROTECTIONS FROM THEIR COMP PLAN, AND THEN THEY ERE DENIED THE REQUEST TO LATER PUT THEM BACK IN DUE TO A SIMILAR VERSION OF THIS LAW THAT IS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. SO MY REQUEST TO YOU TODAY IS PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE ANY PROTECTIONS FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEM BACK, AND, AS EVIDENCED BY THE PROPOSED GUANA LAND SWAP, WE CANNOT RELY ON STATE AGENCIES TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR LOCAL PROTECTIONS FOR OUR WATER, OUR LAND, AND OUR PEOPLE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GREG SMITH, AND I LIVE AT 955 FISHER ISLAND PLACE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I AM RECENTLY RETIRED FROM OVER 40 YEARS OF MORTGAGE BANKING INDUSTRY. SO AS SUCH, I'VE BEEN INDIRECTLY THE BENEFICIARY OF DEVELOPMENT. MY FAMILY'S LIVELIHOOD HAS DEPENDED ON IT. BUT I AM, SO I AM NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DO ADVOCATE FOR SMART AND CONTROLLED DEVELOPMENT. I DID READ THE 300+ PAGES OF THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND MY CONCERN IS EXACTLY WHAT MR. WHITEHURST ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT. I SAW WHERE THEY REDLINED A LOT OF THE STUFF ABOUT COMPATIBILITY INFRASTRUCTURE. IT WAS REDLINED OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I DO NOT SEE IT ANYWHERE ELSE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AS YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, THAT YOU GUYS DO NOT LOSE THE POWER THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE COMMON SENSE DECISIONS AND LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST , THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT STUFF IS THERE, AND THAT YOU CAN DO IT, BECAUSE THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN WHEN I READ THIS DOCUMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF REDLINED THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SO THANK YOU GUYS. >> ALL RIGHT, TURN ON THE OVERHEAD. MY NAME IS JOHN REGAN. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE SOUTHERN, SOUTH ANASTACIA COMMUNITIES ASSOCIATION. OUR MISSION IS TO PROTECT THE RURAL CHARACTER OF SOUTHERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BY INFLUENCING THE LONG-TERM TRANSPORTATION PLANNING OF THE REGION. AND WE JUST WOULD LIKE TODAY TO TRACE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, MAYBE GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF A SPECIFIC ROAD SEGMENT PROJECT THAT DRIVES THIS QUESTION ABOUT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND COMP PLAN. SO IN THE MID-90S, THE COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT FACING A BUILDING MORATORIUM BECAUSE OF A DROP IN SERVICE STANDARDS CONSTRUCT 95. THE STATED RATE TO DROP THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS THE COUNTY APPLIED IN 2001. IT WAS APPROVED IN 2002. ANDY, THE COUNTY AGREED THAT IT WOULD BUILD A PARALLEL TRANSPORTATION ROAD REFERRED TO AS COUNTY ROAD TWO 209, AND ON THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS AN APPLICATION OF 2209 RELATIVE TO D.O.T. WITH CONTINUATIONS OF THE ROAD GOING DOWN, EVEN DOWN TO A SEGMENT OF EXTENDING COUNTY ROAD 305. AND, IS THAT TIME RIGHT? 14 SECONDS? >> NO, SIR. YOU STARTED SPEAKING WITH ABOUT 1:10 ON THE CLOCK. FOR THOSE WHO CARE. I WAS WATCHING. >> HI, I'M SORRY. >> OKAY, SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> WE CAN FIX IT. >> SO THE, OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS EXECUTED IN 2002, OVER TIME. I THINK THERE'S BEEN AN ASSOCIATION MENTALLY THAT THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO D.O.T. TO BUILD THE PARALLEL ROAD NETWORK THE LENGTH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE REALITY IS THAT THE D.O.T. AGREEMENT AND THE COUNTY'S OBLIGATION TERMINATES AT COUNTY ROAD 280. SO REALLY, ONLY FROM THE COUNTY LINE TO 208 IS ADDRESSED BY THE D.O.T. AGREEMENT. THESE OTHER SEGMENTS ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND SO, INTERESTINGLY, IN 2013, 11 YEARS LATER, THERE WAS THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY FROM THE EXTENSION OF 305 FROM COUNTY ROAD 206 TO, DOWN TO COUNTY ROAD 13. AND THAT AGREEMENT, THAT DEDICATION [02:35:08] INCLUDES THE OBLIGATION OF THE COUNTY TO BUILD FOUR INTERSECTIONS ON THAT ROAD SEGMENT. INTERESTINGLY, THIS REGION, WHICH IS SILVICULTURE, THERE IS NO COUNTY DOCUMENT THAT SPEAKS TO ANY GROWTH IN THAT REGION. BUT AT THE POINT OF THIS ROAD, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS A LOCAL PRIORITY BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH THE TPO, ONCE THAT'S DEVELOPED, JUST IMAGINE THE DEMAND FOR DEVELOPING THIS AREA INTO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WAS SPOKEN TO FROM DOCUMENTS THAT LED TO THE CREATION OF THIS DEDICATION. AND SO IF YOU WERE TO MOVE STANDARDS FROM THE COMP PLAN INTO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THEN YOU MISS A CHECK AND BALANCE. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT WHEN THE POLITICS GET RIGHT, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE RIGHT BOARDS, SEEK THE RIGHT VARIANCES, SEEK THE RIGHT ZONING INTERESTS, AND I WOULD DISCOURAGE THE COUNTY FROM REMOVING ANY TYPE OF ADDITIONAL CHECKING BALANCE BY KEEPING THOSE AGREEMENT, THOSE STANDARDS IN THE COMP PLAN. AND IF THIS ROAD IS BUILT AND THERE ARE ANY REZONINGS, IT WILL COMPLETELY CHANGE THE NATURE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS THE LINCHPIN PROJECT THAT WILL CONTROL THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SOUTHERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ELIZABETH SMITH, 955 DUTCH ISLAND PLACE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, REPRESENTING THE FISHER ISLAND COMMUNITY ALLIANCE AND OUR 1500 LOCAL MEMBERS. WE CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT THE EARTH OR APART FROM IT, AND SOMETHING IS SHRIVELED IN A MAN'S HEART WHEN HE TURNS AWAY FROM IT AND CONCERNS HIMSELF ONLY WITH THE AFFAIRS OF MEN. SAGE ADVICE FROM MOUNT MARJORIE KANE AND RAWLINGS. IN HER BOOK CROSS CREEK. WHAT MIGHT HER ADVICE BE TO US AS WE REVIEW THE DRAFT OF THE COMP PLAN FOR OUR COUNTY? DEVOTED READER OF BOTH THE BIBLE AND EXPLORER AND NATURALIST WILLIAM BARTRAM, SHE MIGHT ADVISE US TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND THOROUGH, TO CONSIDER THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR DECISION FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AS A THINKER, SHE WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO ASK PROBING QUESTIONS. WHAT DO WE WANT OUR COUNTY TO LOOK LIKE IN FIVE, 10, 25 YEARS? WHAT IS OUR SHARED VISION AND MISSION? WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS, THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS COUNTY? SHOULD THE NEEDS OF FUTURE NEWCOMERS OVERPOWER THE VOICES OF CURRENT RESIDENTS? ARE THERE IN THE BALANCE IS IN OUR CURRENT APPROACH TO GROWTH? AND IS THIS RATE OF GROWTH SUSTAINABLE OR EVEN DESIRABLE? AS PART OF MY CHURCH'S BOOK CLUB YEARS AGO, I WAS STRUCK BY A QUOTE FROM AMERICAN WRITER AND PASTOR JIM WALLACE. A BUDGET IS A MORAL DOCUMENT. I WOULD ARGUE THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS 1 ALSO A MORAL DOCUMENT. AND BECAUSE SHE WAS A WRITER, MARJORIE KEENAN RAWLINGS WOULD DEFINITELY TELL US TO REVISE OUR MORAL DOCUMENT TO GET IT RIGHT. TO WRESTLE WITH THE HARD QUESTIONS AND LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF COUNTY RESIDENTS. TO STRIVE FOR SMART, RATHER THAN RAMPANT, GROWTH. ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS SPENT LAST FRIDAY AFTERNOON READING THE DRAFT OF THE COMP PLAN, AND HE LISTED HIS CONCERNS, AND IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT REVISION IS NECESSARY. SO LET'S FIND AND EMPLOY THE TOOLS WE NEED AS A COUNTY AND A COMMUNITY TO REVISE THIS MORAL DOCUMENT. OUR COMP PLAN, TO BETTER HONOR THE GREAT GIFT OF THE NATURAL WORLD, AND TO RESPECT THE OUTCRY OF CURRENT ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS TO PRESERVE AND CONSERVE AS MUCH OF OUR LAND AS POSSIBLE. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS VICKI PEPPER. I LIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MYSELF AND -- COMMUNITY ADVOCATES. THIS LONG-AWAITED UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPROACHES 300 PAGES. WE'VE ONLY HAD IT A WEEK, SO WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW AND DIGEST IT. BECAUSE [02:40:01] AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ONE OF THE TOP ISSUES, SO FAR, WE FOCUSED ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT. DESPITE A FEW CONSTRUCTIVE ADDITIONS, OUR OVERALL INITIAL REACTION IS TO DISAPPOINTMENT. AGAIN, WE SEE MUCH POTENTIAL IN INSPIRE PLACEMAKING'S REPORT ON THE UPDATE. FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER ANALYZING OUR CURRENT HOUSING ENVIRONMENT, PROTECTING CURRENT DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS, THE REPORT OFFERS SEVERAL IDEAS TO MEET FUTURE COUNTY HOUSING NEEDS FOR WHICH CARE HAS ADVOCATE. ZONING, PROVIDING MORE FLEXIBILITY TO PROMOTE A FORD ABILITY, ENHANCED INCENTIVES TO PROMOTE CONSTRUCTION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EVEN REVISITING THE IDEA OF ESTABLISHING THE PUBLIC HOUSING. COMPARING THE UPDATE WITH OUR CURRENT PLAN, WE NOTE INSTEAD IT SEEMS LIKE CONSIDERABLE EXISTING SPECIFICITY HAS BEEN ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF GENERALITIES. THE DRAFT APPEARS TO USE EVEN MORE BUREAUCRATIC PLATITUDES AND WEASEL WORDS THAN THE ORIGINAL. THE COUNTY WILL EXPLORE AND INVESTIGATE, WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO DO? REMOTE AND INCENTIVIZED A FIND FOR SITUATIONS WHERE OUTCOMES DEPEND ON THIRD PARTIES. YOU AND COUNTY STAFF -- YOU CAN WORK TOWARDS ACTIVELY AND CONCRETE POLICIES THAT WILL ACHIEVE THEM. HOLD YOURSELF TO HIGH STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO ACTIONS WITHIN YOUR POWER. IF WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ISN'T WORKING, WHY SO MUCH CONTINUING IN THIS REDRAFT? SHOULD WE BE DEVELOPING AND LAMENTING NEW PROGRAMS AND APPROACHES TO LONG-STANDING CHALLENGES ? AS A RETIRED FEDERAL EMPLOYEE, I GET THAT STAFF HAS AN INSTINCT OF WATERED-DOWN LANGUAGE TO GIVE THE COUNTY AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS POSSIBLE, BUT THEN MANY REPORTS AND PLANS ARE CREATED JUST TO CHECK A BOX. AS A RESULT, THEY END UP ON A SHELF COLLECTING DUST BECAUSE THEY'RE VIRTUALLY WORTHLESS. THE COUNTY SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT GATHERING AND ENGAGE IN PUBLIC SENTIMENT. THE REPORT OF THE JOB CAPTURING A REFLECTIVE COLLECTIVE CONCERNS AND DESIRES COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE FOR OUR SHARED COMMUNITY. YET WE FACE MANY CHALLENGES. BUT WE LIVE IN A VAST BEAUTIFUL COUNTY BLESSED WITH ABUNDANT RESOURCES. THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RESULTING FROM THIS EFFORT MUST PROVIDE A MEANINGFUL ROAD MAP AND SUFFICIENT, WITH SPECIFIC SPECIFICITY REQUIRES CONCRETE ACTIONS WILL GUIDE YOUR DECISIONS AND STAFF ACTIVITIES OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS TOWARD BUILDING THAT WITH COMMUNITY COUNTY RESIDENTS SEEK AND DESERVE. PROVIDING YOUR CONFIDENCE IN YOUR LEADERSHIP AND FIRM IN YOUR CONVICTIONS REGARDING WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COUNTY, AND WHAT WE ALL NEED TO DO TOGETHER TO GET THERE, IT'S CLEAR THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE. THAT SAID, KIRSTIN IS PREPARED TO COLLABORATE WITH YOU, STAFF, AND OTHER INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS TO DO THE WORK NECESSARY TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE ALL NEED FOR THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> Y'ALL JUST SEE HOW UNUSED TO GETTING ORDER FROM THE WOMEN IN MY LIFE. RIGHT NOW YOU -- THERE YOU GO. MY NAME IS -- BUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SIR. >> MY NAME IS DWIGHT MILLER. I LIVE AT 1107 MATERIALS LANE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, AND GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. DELIGHTED TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL AGAIN. AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING MY, MY OWN POINT OF VIEW, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY. YOU HEARD VICKI PEPPER, FROM VICKI PEPPER, WHY CARE IS DISAPPOINTED IN THE REDRAFTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT PROVES THAT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT VICKI HAS SAID, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT ONE FEATURE OF THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAS RETAINED IN THE UPDATE THAT CARE APPLAUDS. AT VARIOUS POINTS, THE PLAN FIXED TO SUPPORTING HOUSING FOR AREA LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. THESE ARE WIDELY USED TERMS THAT HAVE NO MEANING IN THE WORLD OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. UNDER FEDERAL STATUTE AND HUD IMPLEMENTATION REGULATION, VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS MAKE 31% TO 50% OF THE PREVAILING AREA MEDIAN INCOME, OR AMI. LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS PAY 51% TO 80% OF THE PREVAILING AMI MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS MAKE 81% TO 120%, BUT THE PREVAILING AMI. WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE A COMMON FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR INTERPRETING AND APPLYING POLICIES AND REGULATIONS SO THAT WE AGREE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD INCORPORATE THESE WIDELY USED TERMS. HOWEVER, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY'S AMI HAS RISEN WELL OVER $100,000 THIS YEAR, WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THIS LIST EXTREMELY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, WHERE WORKERS WHO, WHO, WORKERS WHO NEVER CAN MAKE UP TO ANYMORE THAN 30% OF THE AMI. THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. AND THEY NEED TO BE ADDED TO THAT. THESE, THESE WORKERS ARE, THEY HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS, THEY WORK IN HOSPITALITY AND IN THE HEALTHCARE FIELD, SO THEY REALLY, REALLY NEED YOUR HELP IN THAT REGARD. WE FIND THE USE OF [02:45:03] THE TERM WORKFORCE HOUSING IS GENERALLY HELPFUL, AT LEAST WHEN IT SEEMS TO BE CURRENTLY INTENDED TO ENCOMPASS ONLY THOSE WORKERS COMPENSATED AT THE MINIMUM, AT THE MODERATE INCOME LEVEL. WHAT THAT MEANS IS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT MODERATE INCOME LEVEL AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT A GROUP THAT WOULD BE 30% BELOW THAT. SO PLEASE INCORPORATE THAT EXTREMELY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, AND VISIT THE FINAL ELEMENTS OF OUR LOCAL WORKFORCE -- WE'RE GIVING THESE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO LIVE AND WORK IN THE AREA WHERE THEY PROVIDE SO MANY SERVICES FOR US. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 BECK ROAD. I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST WENT TO THESE MEETINGS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , AND I REMEMBER I ASKED FREQUENTLY, OKAY, SO WHEN DO THE COMMISSIONERS VOTE ON THIS? WHEN DO THEY VOTE ON IT? I HEARD EVERY TIME, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. NOVEMBER, DECEMBER. REMEMBER THAT. IT'S MAY 20TH, AND WE'RE HAVING OUR FIRST REAL COUNTY CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, AND I'M, I'M WORRIED. AND I'M LIKE, MAYBE THE COMMISSIONERS FIRST STEP SHOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT JUST HOW TO SCHEDULE THIS THING, YOU KNOW? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE PRO-DEVELOPER, PRO-SLOW GROWTH HERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS. THIS IS A MASSIVE DOCUMENT, AND, WITH 1 MILLION DIFFERENT OPINIONS. SO I JUST HOPE THAT THERE IS A WAY OF ADDRESSING IT THAT CAN MAYBE , SOMETHING, YOU MAKE SOME KIND OF DECISION NOW THAT INCLUDES SOME KIND OF FLEXIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT MISSING DEADLINES. A LITTLE GOOD NEWS, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF CRITICISMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT I CONSULTED WITH AN ATTORNEY, RESIDENT FRIEND OF MINE WHO TOOK A, A GOOD LOOK AT THE CONSERVATION ELEMENT, AND I WAS PLEASED TO LEARN THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING WAS TAKEN OUT OF IT. SOME THINGS WERE CHANGED ORDER AND THINGS WERE MOVED AROUND, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CONSERVATION ELEMENT NOW IS WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. WE HAVEN'T LOST ANY PROTECTIONS. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH OVER THE LAST FIVE DAYS IS TO CONSIDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO JUST EXAMINE WHAT KIND OF PROTECTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE FOR UPLAND DEVELOPMENT ON CONSERVATION LAND. JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO SEE PROTECTION AGAINST THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION OR , GOD FORBID, A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE, I HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD GOOD PROTECTIONS ON THE UPLAND OF CONSERVATION LAND, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN, YOU KNOW, LIVED THROUGH FOR THE LAST FIVE DAYS. I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY SAY A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT THEN YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE FROM OTHER PEOPLE, I THINK. WEAKENING ROAD CONGESTION IS HERE, OVERCROWDED ROADS MAY NO LONGER BE A VALID REASON TO DENY A DEVELOPMENT. NEW PLAN ALLOWS 85 FOOT TALL BUILDINGS AND AREAS NEVER INTENDED FOR HIGH-RISE DENSITY. THAT ONE REALLY CONCERNS ME, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT CUTS TO THE CHARACTER OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, 85 FOOT BUILDINGS. THAT WORRIES ME ALMOST MORE THAN ANY OF, EXCUSE ME. THE INCENTIVES FOR HIGH DENSITY URBAN INFILL , WEAKENING, C, OVERCROWDED ROADS MAY NO LONGER BE A VALID REASON TO DENY DEVELOPING. THOSE ARE JUST A FEW, THERE, IT'S SO COMPLEX. I HOPE THERE'S SOME WAY THAT YOU GUYS CA FIGURE OUT THAT YOU CAN GIVE US THE TIME THAT IT NEEDS WITHOUT LOSING YOUR DEADLINE. THANK YOU. >> HI. I'M NADINE HEALY. MY ADDRESS IS 175 ADELANTO AVENUE, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CARE, COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY. I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHY C.A.R.E. IS DISAPPOINTED IN THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE REDRAFTED COMP PLAN, AND CONCLUDE THAT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. THE CONTRACTORS REPORT AND UPDATE PROVIDES QUITE A LOT OF USEFUL INFORMATION. C.A.R.E. HAS LONG ADVOCATED FOR RUNNABLE OF TOOLS OR STRATEGIES THAT YOU CAN EMPLOY TO BUILD OUR STOCK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY HOUSING THAT IS ATTAINABLE AT LOWER INCOME LEVELS. THESE INCLUDE ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY , REDUCING, IF NOT WAVING ENTIRELY, IMPACT FEES FOR DEVELOPERS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OTHERWISE PROVIDING COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. INCREASING AUTHORIZED DENSITY FOR HOUSING AFFORDABLE AT LOWER INCOME LEVELS. IMPROVING DENSITY X ABILITY BY EXPLICITLY INCORPORATING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING LIKE -- AND TRIPLEX IS INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPER CODE. [02:50:01] INCREASING THE USE OF THE MIXED INCOME, MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT MODEL FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND REQUIRING A COMMITMENT FROM DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEFORE APPROVING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN, WHEN YOU ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT TRADE-OFFS IN TERMS OF INCREASED DENSITY AND TRAFFIC BURDEN. WE SAW VERY LITTLE LANGUAGE IN THE REDRAFTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GUARANTEE ANY OF THOSE TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE AND WILL BE EMPLOYED MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S A REAL MISSED OPPORTUNITY. AS THE DEVELOPERS HAVE LONG ACKNOWLEDGED, EVERYTHING STARTS WITH THE COMP PLAN. IT'S YOUR ROAD MAP. IT PROVIDES THE GUIDEPOSTS BY WHICH YOU AND COUNTY STAFF GOVERN OUR COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, PLEASE WORK AND DIRECT YOUR STAFF TO WORK WITH C.A.R.E. AND OTHER INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS TO ENSURE THAT OUR UPDATED COMP PLAN INCLUDES EXPLICIT LANGUAGE THAT WILL GUARANTEE THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS AND WILL EMPLOY AS MANY TOOLS AS WE CAN AGREE WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR HOUSING STOCK AFFORDABLE AT ALL INCOME LEVELS. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH, RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND LAND-USE ATTORNEY. AND I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOME GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROPOSED CHANGES. AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING. I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING THE WEST AUGUSTINE CRA STEERING COMMITTEE AND LAND-USE MATTERS RELATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS NOW, ALONG WITH MR. SHEET COMMISSIONER ARNOLD AND STAFF HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND THEY'VE PUT OUT OUR FIRST RFP FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT YOU PUT MORE EMPHASIS ON AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THERE ARE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN WORKFORCE HOUSING AS THAT'S DEFINED AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO PUT BACK IN TO THE, TO THE DENSITY BONUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND THEN ALSO, YOU HAVE IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT INCENTIVIZING FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOU NEED TO ADD , ALSO, PLEASE, SOME INCENTIVE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GO TO AREA MEDIAN INCOME. AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY IN NEED. NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, IF YOU WILL. I SECOND THING THAT IS POSITIVE IS THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE IN THIS ABOUT CONSERVATION OF FARMLAND. AGRICULTURAL, RURAL, ALL OF THAT THAT YOU'VE ADDED IN MORE EMPHASIS ON TRANSFERABLE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, WHICH IS AN INCENTIVE A DACIAN PROGRAM TO LET FARMERS BASICALLY HAVE TO MONETIZE THEIR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO BE TRANSFERRED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA TO ALLOW THEM TO PLACE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS OVER THEIR FARMLAND OR CULTURAL LAND FOR PERPETUAL PRESERVATION. AND SO I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MAYBE BEEF UP THE TDR PROGRAM. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE LOCATIONS OF THE RURAL LAND AREA AS THAT SET FORTH ON PAGE 22 OF THE LAND-USE ELEMENT, AND THAT ALSO MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE RURAL LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM AND THE CONSERVATION ELEMENT. THESE ARE GOOD IDEAS, BECAUSE WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT OUR AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY IS VITAL TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY , TO OUR FOOD PRODUCTION. ALL OF US LIKE TO EAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE PORTION. AND ALSO, YOU CAN'T HAVE AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE AND FARMLAND AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION WITHOUT MORE COMPACT -- DEVELOPMENT. SO I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON WALKABLE COMPACT URBAN DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE TRADE-OFF OF DENSITY. THIS CONTAINS GREAT DENSITY BONUSES, BUT LET'S ADD, LIKE I SAID, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SOME OTHERS, AND MAKE OUR URBAN CENTERS MORE COMPACT TO ALLOW THE PRESERVATION OF THESE OTHER LANDS. SO THAT'S MY TWO CENTS FOR TODAY, AND THANK YOU. >> URBAN BULLET. I LIVE AT 1808 VISCO ROAD. I, I ACTUALLY READ THROUGH THE OLD VERSION . I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS READING THE LONG ONE WHEN I CAME TO THE MEETING WITH C.A.R.E.. AND I THOUGHT, OH, THIS IS PRETTY OUTSTANDING. THESE ARE, WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN HERE. THE THING I WAS IMPRESSED WITH WAS WE USED WORDS LIKE CHERYL, AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S ILLEGAL. THAT MEANS, WE GOT TO DO THIS. AND WE? THAT'S MY QUESTION. BUT ARE WE, ARE WE REALLY? SO I'M LOOKING FOR, AND I THINK THIS COUNTY'S IN A GOOD PLACE TO, TO DO THIS. I'VE BEEN VERY PLEASED [02:55:01] WITH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS REPORTS AT THE END NOW OF THE COUNTY MEETINGS. I THINK THAT'S A, A TRANSPARENCY THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN, AND THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE. I'M LOOKING FOR TRANSPARENCY WITH THIS NEW PLAN. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE WEEDS ISSUES ON THIS, WHETHER, WHAT SHOULD GO WHERE, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THE LAND-USE. I WON'T TRY TO DO THAT. BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING AFTER THE PLAN? I KNOW WE'VE SAID IN THERE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHALL PROMOTE MIXED LAND USE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN READ IT THE WAY IT SAYS IT. AND WHAT I'M ASKING IS, WE SHALL PROMOTE AND SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT PROVIDE A MIX OF HOUSING TO SERVE A RANGE OF INCOME LEVELS AND INTEGRATING MARKET-RATE HOUSING, AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, MANY MIXED INCOME MIXED-USE PROJECTS, AND BEFORE THE BOARD. AND WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY PROMOTING THAT? I WANT TO SEE US PROMOTE IT AND COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WON'T ALWAYS, MIXED-USE IS NOT GOING TO ALWAYS BE POPULAR. I KNOW THAT. BUT YOU'VE GOT, BUT I THINK ALL THE GREAT THINGS WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE, THIS COUNTY, AND I THINK THEY'RE TRUE, AND I LOVE THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD SAID. AND I LOVED A LOT OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT SMART GROWTH HERE. BUT IF WE'RE NOT COMPASSIONATE AS WELL, IF WE'RE NOT REALLY CARING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING AT THE VERY BOTTOM LEVEL OF OUR, OF OUR SOCIETY, IF WE'RE NOT CARING ABOUT OUR HOSPITAL CLEANER AND OUR SERVERS AND OUR BUSTERS, WE'RE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT, IN A, IN A TOURIST ECONOMY, FOR ONE THING. SO IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD CAPITALIST SCHEME. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S WRONG. IT'S JUST NOT MORALLY RIGHT TO, TO NOT TREAT THESE PEOPLE WELL AND GIVE THEM DECENT HOUSING. SO I WANT US TO WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS ANN TAYLOR. I GUESS I'M THE OTHER ANN TAYLOR. AND I LIVE AT 1365 STATE ROAD 206. WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT, I WAS LOOKING FOR A PARTICULAR PHRASE, WHICH IS CALLED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A MEASURE OF HOW MUCH A LOT IS COVERED BY HARD SURFACE, AND HOW MUCH OF IT, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW WATER TO SOAK IN, AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS IMPERVIOUS. IS NOT IMPERVIOUS. BUT THE, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST TOOLS WE HAVE TO, AGAINST FLOODING. THE ISSUE WITH THIS IS THAT IT STARTED OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN I GUESS IT WAS PUT INTO THE, THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD URGE YOU TO MOVE IT BACK INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WILL GET DONE. AND ALSO ANYTHING IN YOUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT CODE CAN BE CHANGED. SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO MOVE THIS PART OF THE PLAN BACK INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KELSEY MAY, AND I LIVE IN THE FLOOR WOULD NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR SERVING ST. JOHNS COUNTY ON THIS BOARD. I'M SPEAKING TODAY REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT TO ADVOCATE FOR CONSERVING PUBLIC GREEN SPACES IN OUR COUNTY. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS I LOVE ABOUT BEING OUTSIDE, BUT ONE THING I WILL FOCUS ON FOR THIS PUBLIC COMMENT IS HOW NATURE HELPS US CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER, WITH EACH OTHER. ON SATURDAY, MAY 17TH, AT THE SAVE GUANA PROTEST, I STOOD NEXT TO A PERSON WHO WAS ATTENDING THEIR FIRST PROTEST . AFTER WE STARTED CHATTING, WE STARTED TO SEE HOW WE WERE PROBABLY ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, BUT WE ALSO STARTED TO SEE HOW MUCH WE RELATED TO EACH OTHER REGARDING ENJOYING BEING IN THE WOODS AND BEING ON THE WATER. WHEN HE SAID HE CONSIDERED GUANA TO BE HIS SANCTUARY, MY EYES LIT UP, AND I SHARED THAT I OFTEN REFERRED TO FORT MOSLEY IS ONE OF MY SANCTUARY SPACES. NATURE IS ALSO A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WHENEVER I'M CATCHING UP WITH MY DAD. WHETHER HE'S TELLING ME [03:00:02] HOW MANY BLUEGILL HE CAUGHT ON HIS LAST FISHING TRIP UP IN THE MIDWEST, OR I'M TELLING HIM ABOUT HOW MANY SPOONBILL I SPOTTED ON MY LAST BIKE RIDE, I'M JUST PRETTY STOKED THIS COMMON INTEREST CONTINUES TO STRENGTHEN OUR BOND. FOR MANY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, NATURE IS A HEALER AND A CONNECTOR. PLEASE CONSIDER CONSERVING AS MUCH PUBLIC GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SERVING ON THIS BOARD. >> TYLER, IT'S IS RESTARTING. SO SORRY. SO I HAVE A -- >> GOOD EVENING. I'M MICHAEL COMPTON. I LIVE AT 114 THIRD STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO ALL THE COMMENTS, AND I JUST HAVE THREE QUICK OBSERVATIONS. FIRST, I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT THESE ITEMS, SUCH AS IMPERVIOUS LAND AND OTHER ISSUES IN RELATION, SHOULD NOT BE MOVED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE LDC. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE LDC, THINGS MOVE AROUND QUITE A BIT. THERE'S A LOT OF INTERPRETATION, AND THINGS CAN BE -- SO I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SHOW THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY ARE IN THE OVERALL IMPORTANT PLAN. THAT'S THE FIRST OBSERVATION. THE SECOND OBSERVATION IS THAT I THINK, FOR ME, I'M A BIT SHOCKED, AND I'M SURE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE COMMENT WOULD BE SHOCKED IF I TOLD THEM THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MORE THAN DOUBLE THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN THIS COUNTY. I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR ERROR, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THINK THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO SOMEHOW CREATE MUCH HIGHER DENSITY OF PEOPLE, I THINK THOSE THINGS WOULD BE ALIEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE COMMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE THIRD ITEM, I'LL JUST MENTION, IS -- FRIENDS OF FLORIDA WAS CREATED THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, A PLAN BY COUNTY ON HOW TO CONSERVE AGRICULTURAL LANDS SUPPORTED BY MANY OF THE RANCHERS AND FARMERS IN THIS STATE. I WOULD ASK THAT WE, WE COULD COMPARE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THEIR PLAN TO SEE IF WE'RE EVEN ON THE SAME PATH. THIS WAS A 30 YEAR PLAN THAT SHOWS, COUNTY BY COUNTY, HOW THE COUNTY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED TO CONSERVE THE MOST AGRICULTURAL LAND IN, IN THAT COUNTY. I WOULD RECOMMEND IT AT LEAST BE COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE NOW TO SEE IF WE'RE EVEN IN THE BALLPARK OF CONSERVING THE MOST LAND THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD. THANK YOU. >> JOE MCINERNEY, 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. AGAIN, HAVE A POWERPOINT, BUT OUR SCREEN HAS, HAS DISAPPEARED. SO HENRY DEAN WAS ALWAYS ONE TO SAY INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMPATIBILITY, THOSE ARE THE TWO, THE TWO THINGS THAT I CONSIDER WHEN I LISTEN TO PROPOSALS. AND IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A125C, SAYS TO THE EXTENT TO WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. SO THERE YOU GO. THAT'S OUR INFRASTRUCTURE LANGUAGE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WITH REGARD TO COMPATIBILITY, A13 11 AND VARIOUS SECTIONS THAT GO FURTHER TO DEFINE ALL OF THE WAYS IN WHICH COMPATIBILITY SHOULD EXIST, NOISE, ODOR, TRAFFIC, ET CETERA. SO THERE IT IS. WHEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED, SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT. AND IT GOES FURTHER TO SAY SHALL NOT APPROVE THIS, SHALL NOT APPROVE THIS, SHALL NOT APPROVE IF. THAT'S IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WANT TO MAKE THIS NOTE. I'M GLAD ELLEN IS HERE. I DID SIT THROUGH A MEETING, I ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN A MEETING A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON HONEY BRANCH FARMS, AND THERE WAS SOME BACK-AND-FORTH BETWEEN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND MS., MS. SAID, THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH TRUMPS THE LAND DEVELOP CODE. AND YOU CAN GO TO THE PCN MEETING ON FEBRUARY 1ST, '24, TO, TO WATCH THAT. SO LOOK HERE BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN [03:05:01] REDLINES, THERE THEY ARE. SHOWN IN RED. THERE IS A 125C. IT'S ALL STRUCK THROUGH. IT'S GONE. IT SAYS MOVED TO THE LAND DEVELOP CODE. AND GUESS WHAT? A13 11, IT'S GONE. LOOK AT THAT. ALL THE REDLINES, I JUST PUT A FEW OF THE REDLINES UP THERE, IT'S GONE. PROPOSED TO MOVE TO THE LAND DEVELOP CODE. AND I PUT IN THERE, AND WE CAN IS, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HEARD THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRUMPS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO REVIEW SUGGESTION NUMBER ONE, DO NOT, DO NOT MOVE A125. DO NOT MOVE A13 11. IN FACT, DO NOT MOVE ANYTHING FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND ECONDLY, I, I'M ALSO CONCERD ABOUT DEADLINES. WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE WENT FROM MEDIUM HIGH TO MEDIUM POPULATION PROJECTIONS. IT TOOK TWO MONTHS TO GET THE RESULTS. I MEAN, MY GOSH, IF WE GET A125C AND E3 11 IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S OUT RIGHT NOW. ALL OF THIS INTERCONNECTEDNESS, I SAY GO AHEAD AND MEET THE DEADLINE BY SUBMITTING ONLY STATUTORY CHANGES. KEEP OUR CURRENT PLAN. GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THAT. MEET THE DEADLINE. YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> I AGREE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT SLAVEN, AT SLAVEN.COM. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS WHO'VE BEEN HERE TONIGHT AND SPOKEN SO ELOQUENTLY AND SO THOROUGHLY, INCLUDING MR. REAGAN AND MS. CROSBY. OH, AND AVERY SMITH, MS. LANDWEHR, PAT HAMILTON. REALLY PROUD. WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS FROM Y'ALL TO SINK YOUR TEETH INTO AND GET THIS THING AROUND. FASTER THAN A SPEEDING DUMP TRUCK, WHAT WE KNOW AND LOVE ABOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS BEING DESTROYED. HERE IN WHAT WE CALL GOD'S COUNTRY, WE ARE DESTROYING OUR FORESTS. DEFORESTATION IS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO OUR WAY OF LIFE AND TO OUR ENJOYMENT AND TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, AND IT CAUSES FLOODING. WE'VE GOT 33 COMMUNITIES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WITH CONSTANT FLOODING BECAUSE OF BAD PLANNING. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. ANOTHER PROBLEM IS ORGANIZATIONAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WE JUST HIRED A COUNTY ATTORNEY FROM CORPORATE LAW FIRM THAT DOES, WELL, THEY'RE, THEIR OWNER, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THAT LAW FIRM IS A LOBBYIST FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HAS A 70 STORY HIGH-RISE. WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE AVAILABLE SPACE ? WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE? WE HAVE ALL THESE HIGH-RISES HERE. I'M AGAINST THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED A PUBLIC HOUSING AGENCY. COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS GOT IT RIGHT. COUPLE OF THEM GOT IT WRONG. AND ALL OF Y'ALL NEED TO RECONSIDER THE NEED FOR A PUBLIC HOUSING AGENCY. AND I SALUTE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD FOR SUPPORTING IT. BUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS ORGANIZATIONAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE PICK PEOPLE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. WE HAD A FELLOW ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY A WHILE BACK WHOSE DADDY OWNS A HUGE ENGINEERING COMPANY WITH, WHAT IS IT, A COUPLE HUNDRED, 271 EMPLOYEES? AND THEY, THAT ENGINEERING COMPANY WORKS FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND DEVELOPERS. AND THE SUN WAS ON THE PGA. THAT DOG WON'T HUNT. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND I AGREE WITH URBAN BULLOCK, WE NEED COMPASSION. SO MANY OF OUR DECISIONS HERE IN THIS ROOM LACKS COMPASSION, AND SO MANY OF THEM LACK LOGIC. WE NEED TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS. I'M FINALLY REMEMBERING A COUPLE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, ONE OF WHO'S PAST. THEY WOULD DO MORAL REASONING WITH DEVELOPERS. YOU WANT TO CUT DOWN A TREE? AND JERRY DIXON AND CARL BLOW WOULD GET INTO IT WITH THEM. AND THEY ASK QUESTIONS. WELL, COULDN'T YOU MOVE THIS BUILDING HERE? COULDN'T YOU -- AND THEY, AND THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, JUST LIKE JOE MCENERY. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH QUALIFICATIONS ON THESE BOARDS, AND NOT USE THEM FOR POLITICAL PATRONS. AND DEFINITELY NOT POLITICAL PATRONAGE FOR HIRING A COUNTY ATTORNEY. THAT'S WRONG. THAT WAS JUST WRONG, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEFINITION OF ORGANIZATIONAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE COUNTY CODE, AND WE NEED TO STICK WITH IT AND PROHIBIT IT. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I'M GREG BURKE. I'M AN AND A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY'S ER- AFFORDABLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, HOUSING COMMITTEE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF THIS EVENING. I AGREE THAT WE NEED A DEFINITION IN THE COMP PLAN OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU A, A, A PROJECT. THE, THE COMPACTNESS OF DEVELOPMENT AND PROPERTIES, THIS IS A MIXED INCOME, MIXED UNIT TYPE SIZE PROJECT THAT IS ONE OF [03:10:08] THE MOST SUCCESSFUL IN THE AREA WHERE IT'S BEING BUILT. ITS DENSITY IS 14 1/2 UNITS PER ACRE. DENSITY IN ITSELF IS NOT A BAD WORD. HOW YOU DO IT EITHER MAKES IT GOOD OR BAD. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ON THE BUILDINGS, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN EACH BUILDING. UP HERE IN THE CORNER IS THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. THERE ARE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BEHIND IT. EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS, THE WAY THEY CAN EXIST , AND IN A COMPACT OF 11. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYBODY THAT GOT UP HERE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE 85 FOOT HIGH BUILDINGS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE'VE GOT THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT A COMPACT WALKABLE COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE. IT'S THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. WE'VE GOT ALL MIXED USE IN THERE. YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL, YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN THAT AREA. THAT SHOULD BE THE MODEL FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A PLAN FOR A 40 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, ALL MIXED-USE, ALL MIXED HOUSING TYPES. ALL OF THIS STUFF CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO BE IN THE COMP PLAN. I DON'T THINK THAT EVEN A 21 UNITS PER ACRE, I GOT A TRIPLEX THAT I DEVELOPED, I SHOWED IT TO THIS COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY. THAT THING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT IS, AND IT'S ON A 40 BY 60 FOOT PRINT ON A 30, 65 BY 130 LOT. THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL LOT. IT'S, IT'S DEVELOPING YOU, AND IT'S COME OUT SOMEWHERE AROUND 24 UNITS TO AN ACRE. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THAT WAY. THAT'S WHAT IT ALLOWS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU BUILT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO TAKE A VERY STRONG LOOK AT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. WE NEED IT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SERVICED US. WE NEED IT FOR OUR POLICEMAN, OUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR TEACHERS, OUR NURSES. WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE IMPROVED WAYS OTHER THAN SINGLE-FAMILY DUPLEX AND TOWNHOUSES AND MIDRISE APARTMENTS. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE IN THE EVENING. THIS IS A WELCOME CHANGE FROM SHOWING UP AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING. THANKS. >> HELLO. I'M JOE RYAN, 699 STAN'S DRIVE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. AND I WOULD, BASICALLY JOE MCINERNEY BASICALLY SAID WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, AND HE SAID IT MUCH BETTER. JUST, WE HAVE REGULATORY CHANGES WE HAVE TO MAKE. THE, MOVING ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS BASICALLY OUT OF THE, OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INTO THE LDR, WHY, WHY ARE WE MOVING THEM? BECAUSE OF REDUNDANCY? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, REDUNDANCY'S A GOOD THING IN LAW. BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HERE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IF WE MOVE ALL THESE THINGS TO THE LDR, LONG-TERM PLAN , LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, NOW WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT TOO. IF WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS FOR COMPATIBILITY, THEY SHOULD BE IN BOTH PLACES, BUT THEY SHOULD BE IN THE LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT'S JUST THE LAST 25 YEARS. YOU CAN CHANGE THE, YOU CAN CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY ONCE, EVERY 25 YEARS, I GUESS, BUT YOU, THE LDR, LDC, YOU CAN CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE OFTEN. YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD HAVE CONCURRENT PROTECTIONS AGAINST THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'RE HAVING A WAR BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE DEVELOPERS, AND I THINK THAT HAS TO STOP. I THINK, MOSTLY, WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION, THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATE IN THIS COUNTY DOING ALL THE DECISIONS THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE DOING, AND, AND LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE AND THEIR RESPONSE. SO THERE'S NO REASON, OUTSIDE OF SAVING SOME INK, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THESE RESTRICTIONS OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INTO THE LDC. ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ERIC CIRCE. I LIVE AT 2302 SHORE DRIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I HAVE [03:15:02] LIVED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SINCE 1961, SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH, AND I DON'T, I'M A VETERINARIAN BY PROFESSION. I'VE PRACTICED HERE 43 YEARS, AND I RETIRED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. MY WIFE WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, SO SHE'S SEEN MORE CHANGES THAN I HAVE. WE RAISED THREE KIDS. AND I'M JUST HERE TO BE CONSIDERATE OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, AND BE AN ADVOCATE FOR SMART GROWTH. AND I THINK IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING AT THIS POINT THAT SMART GROWTH HAS GOT TO BE SLOWER GROWTH THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK BY NOT INCREASING, ALLOWING INCREASED DENSITIES, NOT EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES FOR DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START, AND NOT JUST BE CONSIDERATE OF OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS, BUT THOSE COMING AFTER US. ALL OF OUR, OUR CHILDREN, THEIR CHILDREN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN REASON I'M UP HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THIS EVENING. >> MY NAME'S BILL HAMILTON, AND I LIVE AT 7000 CHARLES STREET CRESCENT BEACH, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY AND THE FARMERS, AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES AS THEY ARE, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AGRICULTURE MY WHOLE LIFE, SINCE I WAS A KID I'VE WORKED ON FARMS, VARIOUS PLACES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND NORTH CAROLINA AND CANADA. I'VE GOT A DEGREE IN AGRICULTURAL FROM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. I RUN SOUTHERN HORTICULTURE FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS, LANDSCAPE CONTRACTING AND IRRIGATION CONTRACTING BUSINESS WITH A RETAIL GARDEN CENTER. AND I SAT ON THE OVERALL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IN THE EXTENSION SERVICE AT THE AG, AT THE AG CENTER. AND I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF REASONS WHY AGRICULTURE IS IMPORTANT FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND THE UNITED STATES, AND LOCALLY, FARMERS CONTRIBUTE $171 MILLION. THERE'S 32,963 JOBS. THAT'S 26% OF THE WORKFORCE IS INVOLVED IN THE FARM INDUSTRY. AND I'M GRATIFIED TO HEAR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY AND THE PROPOSED , MAINTAINING THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES AS THEY ARE IN THE, IN THE COMP PLAN THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. STATEWIDE, AGRICULTURE IS HUGE. YOU ALL KNOW THAT. I SEEM TO FEEL LIKE THAT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF, OF MAINTAINING THE CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC AND HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE FARM COMMUNITY. WE, AS AN OPEN AND FREE SOCIETY, DEPEND ON BEING ABLE TO FEED OURSELVES, AND WITHIN THE, SINCE 2019, THE UNITED STATES IMPORTS OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS NOW EXCEEDS THE ONES THAT WE EXPORT. WE ARE DEPENDENT ON OTHER COUNTRIES TO FEED US AND TO PROVIDE AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS, AND IN THIS TIME OF UNCERTAINTY AND INSTABILITY GLOBALLY, ECONOMICALLY, POLITICALLY, ACROSS THE BOARD , FOR US TO DEPEND ON ANOTHER COUNTRY TO PROVIDE AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS FOR US IS NOT SMART. SO I AM ENCOURAGED BY THE SENTIMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT OUR FARM COMMUNITY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU STAYING AS LATE AS, AS YOU HAVE. IT'S A LOT OF US WHO ARE IN THE FARMING COMMUNITY GET UP EARLY, SO IT'S A BIG ASK FOR FARMERS TO COME OUT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HI. I'M CINDY LONG, 7819 RESTING ROAD. AND I AM, AND A TRIBAL MEMBER OF THE MUSCOGEE CREEK NATION. AND I, I LOOKED AT THE PLAN, AND I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A PARAGRAPH THAT YOU, [03:20:04] THAT IS BEING STRUCK OUT, WHICH SAYS, IF HISTORIC OR ARCHAEOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS ARE DISCOVERED WHILE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IS UNDERWAY, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL CEASE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES FOR THE MINIMUM TIME NECESSARY AND COOPERATE WITH APPROPRIATE AGENCIES TO ALLOW FOR EVALUATION OF THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. AND YOU ARE REDLINING THAT OUT. THAT AREA WAS HOME TO THE CREEK PEOPLE. SO I, AGAIN, WHEN I MOVED -- SORRY. WHEN I MOVED UP HERE, I IMMEDIATELY FELT, AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS STORY BEFORE, I FELT LIKE I WAS AT HOME. I FOUND THESE REFERENCES, AND THEN I REALIZED WHY I FELT THAT WAY. WE STILL ARE HERE. WE AREN'T ARTIFACTS. WE HAVEN'T DISAPPEARED. AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO BUILD ARE GOING TO BE ON CREEK LAND. THE AGRICULTURAL, THEY MAY, YOU KNOW, DIG UP A FEW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF INCHES, A FOOT, A COUPLE OF FEET. BUT WHEN YOU GET THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO GO IN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DIGGING DEEP. AND I DON'T WANT THIS TAKEN OUT, IN CASE YOU GUYS COME ACROSS SOME OF MY ANCESTOR'S THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO THEM BACK IN THE DAY, BECAUSE IT STILL MEANS SOMETHING TO US. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU DO NOT STRIKE THAT OUT, THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY ADD THAT THE AGENCIES, AT LEAST CONSULT NAPA IF YOU NEED TO, NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVE PRESERVATION PREPARATION ACT, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THE STATE HAS A BURIAL LAW. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU KEEP THAT IN, BECAUSE IT IS SIGNIFICANT TO THE HISTORY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THAT AREA. THANK YOU. >> EXCUSE ME. YES, JUDY SPIEGEL, 101 GRANDMA LANE. THAT, THAT JARRED ME AS WELL, SEEING THAT. BUT I WASN'T INTENDING TO SPEAK ON THAT. I, MY PASSIONS HERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THE FARM LAND. AND A LOT OF SET ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I HAVE A LOT TO LEARN, I THINK. I'M NOT QUITE GETTING THE NUANCE OF THE LDC AND THE COMP PLAN, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK UP HERE LIKE I KNOW, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I HAD A VISIT WITH, AT THE WILSON FARM, LOOKING AT THE POTATO PRODUCE PRODUCTION, AND I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT WORLD AT ALL. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT WORLD, AND WHAT CHRISTINE WILSON, TO ME, SET AS I WAS LEAVING IS, JUST TELL PEOPLE WE'RE HERE. WILL PEOPLE WE'RE HERE. THEY DON'T KNOW. THEY DRIVE BY, THEY SEE THE FARMS, BUT ALL THEY SEE IS JUST THIS LITTLE BLURB OF NOTHING, AND THEN THEY GO AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE, AND THE, THE BASIC FOUNDATION. I THINK OVER 28% OF OUR INCOME OR SOMETHING, HOWARD COUNTY'S WORTH IS, IS AG LAND. AND SO I JUST REALLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE DO HAVE FIRM LANGUAGE IN HERE TO PROTECT THEM, AND I'M JUST KIND OF GETTING THIS SORT OF NEBULOUS, MAYBE, ACTIONABLE BUT NOT MEASURABLE LANGUAGE IN IT, SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT COULD JUST BE MY INTERPRETATION. I CERTAINLY AM NOT AN EXPERT. SO I WANTED TO MENTION ANOTHER THING , JUST FOR THE GENTLEMAN I SPOKE ABOUT THE THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA PLAN, THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMEND TALL BUILDINGS, AND THAT REALLY SHOCKED ME, BECAUSE THEY SAID DENSITY, LOWER FOOTPRINT, HIGHER TAX REVENUE, AND YOU CAN GET MORE RESIDENTS ON A SMALL AREA. SO THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING TALL BUILDINGS, PLEASE JUST GET THEM AWAY FROM THE SHORE. THEY'VE GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE, NORTHWEST, OR JUST NOT AT ALL. AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THERE IS A COMMENT IN ONE 8.1.4.17 THAT SAYS THEY SHALL PROVIDE A REPORT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THAT -- LIMIT A HACK FROM COMING IN AND SHARING IDEAS WITH THE BOARD THAT IT WASN'T, YOU CAN ONLY COME ONCE. SORRY, YOU DID YOUR TIME, YOU DON'T GET TO COME AGAIN. THERE IS A REDUNDANCY, I NOTED IN .1 .3 .8 AND 8.1.5. NOT THAT THAT REALLY MATTERS. SO. THE HOUSING [03:25:08] ELEMENT , GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF SHALL INVESTIGATE, SHALL REVIEW, AND NOT A LOT OF ACTIONABLE. SO I HAVE A LOT TO LEARN, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG. THIS IS A HUGE THING, AND, AGAIN, DO NOT ENVY YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE EVENING MEETING. >> SUZANNE CLUBE OH, 109 GARWOOD WAY, APARTMENT 102. WHAT A NIGHT. WOW. WELL, NUMBER ONE, THIS ISN'T READY FOR PRIME TIME FOR SURE. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY DOUBLED DOWN. I, THIS WAS NOT WHAT I EXPECTED. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN HERE THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP, A COUPLE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT IT NOW THAN WE DID IN THE OLD PLAN, WHICH IS GOOD. THE PROBLEM IS, IS WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT? WE'RE HOLDING THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY, WHICH CAN BE A GOOD, BAD THING. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET A 10 YEAR , 25 YEAR, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE. IS IT 10 OR 25? EITHER WAY, DEPENDING ON INFILL, TO PROVIDE HOUSING ÚTHE WAY WE WANT TO, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT UNLESS YOU INCREASE THE DENSITY, AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT HEIGHT, SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT? I SAW A CONCEPT IN THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, THIS NEW TOWN CONCEPT THAT WAS IN HERE. IT'S, I'VE SEEN THAT WORK 30 YEARS AGO UP NORTH. I THINK THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE BARN FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT, 2500 ACRE MINIMUM TO CREATE A NEW TOWN. AND YOU WANT TO SAY FARMING, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, AND YOU DON'T WANT -- I DON'T KNOW. IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD JUST, LIKE, TAKE THAT OUT. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT. WE'RE, WE'RE BEYOND THAT. GREG BURKE IS AN AWESOME RESOURCE GUY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND HIS IDEAS REALLY WOULD WORK, IF YOU LOOK AT THEM. I, I HAD -- ALL DAY YESTERDAY, AND I WROTE UP A 1A, AND I HADN'T BEEN UP THAT WAY IN A WHILE. AND BOY, THE MCMANSIONS THAT ARE BEING BUILT ALONG A 1A AS YOU'RE COMING INTO SOUTH PONTEVEDRA. ONE FAMILY LIVES THERE, YOU KNOW? LET'S TALK IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT'S SO DENSE. THAT'S DENSE UP THERE! THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH ROOM! ONE PERSON WAS THERE. WE GOT TO DO BETTER. WE GOT TO DO BETTER, GUYS. GOOD LUCK. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS ERIC SCOTT DRUCKER'S, 920 OAK RIDGE ROAD. I HAVE BEEN A PROUD BUSINESS OWNER NOW FOR OVER 12 YEARS. I GREW UP HERE ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO. I REMEMBER BACK IN HOLMES BOULEVARD, IT WAS A DIRT ROAD. IF YOU WENT TOO FAST, YOU ENDED UP IN THE LAKE. I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACKWARDS. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE REALLY THINKS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPERS. WE JUST WANT SMART AND REASONABLE GROWTH. 600,000 BY 2050. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S ONLY 300+ DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY IN PRODUCTION PLAN RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, THE PLAN READS A GREAT ON THE FIRST GLANCE. DOES THE FUTURE LAND USE IS BASED ON WILDLIFE, DRAINAGE, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, ESTUARIES, NATURAL RESOURCES, COASTAL AREAS, FLOOD ZONES, HISTORICAL DISTRICTS. WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THESE REGULATIONS, AND NOT RELY ON OUTSIDERS WHO DON'T. WE HAVE TO MANAGE GROWTH IN AREAS SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE. INCREASING BUILDING HEIGHTS TO 85 FEET, THAT'S SEVEN STORIES. ARE WE RELYINGON INFILL WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENTS? OVERCROWDED ROADS HAVE GOT TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE BUILD. HIGH DENSITY SPREAD THROUGH EXPANSION [03:30:01] , DENSITY BONUSES OR OTHERWISE, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WHATSOEVER. THE LANGUAGE SEEMS TO READ INTENTIONALLY MURKY. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THE QUESTION OF LEGAL COMPATIBILITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE MUST BE CODIFIED. YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT'S VERY SIMPLE, DON'T BUILD IT. URBAN SERVICE AREAS, TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXEMPTION AREAS, PUD'S, THAT'S JUST AN EXCUSE TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE WANT TO CHANGE THEM. THEY ARE TRY IT ALL THE TIME IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND WHAT THEY GET AWAY WITH. WE NEED FEASIBLE INCENTIVE-BASED TECHNIQUES FOR HISTORIC ONTOLOGICAL PRESERVATION. ONE OFFICER DECIDING ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO THINGS WE MIGHT DISCOVER IS UNACCEPTABLE. THINGS MUST BE REVIEWED. WE FIND SOMETHING GREAT, WE HAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN PRESERVE IT. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE PCA. WE CANNOT ALLOW THESE DECISIONS TO BE MADE BY PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE. THE MEDIAN PRICE FOR HOMES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS CURRENTLY $600,000. WE MUST HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT REMAINS AFFORDABLE. WE DESPERATELY NEED THIS, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER TAYLOR ON IF WE MOVE ANYTHING OUT OF THE COMP PLAN INTO THE CODE, OTHERWISE IT'S GONE. WE DO NOT NEED ANY CHANGES. WE HAVE BEEN SET BEFORE THE CITIZENS. STAKEHOLDERS AND DEVELOPERS, SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. THIS PLAN IS JUST NOT READY FOR THE PDA. WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS REFERENCE THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THIS DOESN'T MAKE A FREE-FOR-ALL CURRENTLY, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE OPTION A, WE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF AN UNKNOWN B. WE DON'T KNOW THAT WAY. WE CAN EXTEND TO MEET THE DEADLINES AND RETURN TO THIS. SEE, WE'RE NOT DIVIDED AS SOME PEOPLE SAY. WE'RE ALL COMING TOGETHER. WE FOUGHT THE GUANA SWAMP. WE WON. WE'RE ALL CONCERNED, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, AND YES, IF WE DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY, WE CAN HELP OUR FUTURE. TANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GREAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION? OKAY, I'M SEEING NONE. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. I LOVE SAYING THAT, BY THE WAY. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> , MR. CHAIR. I , I WANT TO PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF, JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I CAN'T MAKE THE DECISIONS WITHOUT ACCURATE INFORMATION , AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN OR IF IT'S IN THE LDC OR BOTH. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS. I'M JUST MORE GOING TO EXPLORE WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH OF TONIGHT, WHICH IS THAT IF WE TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S ONLY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW LOSING OUR AUTHORITY TO, TO GOVERN . COMMISSIONER MURPHY USED THE WORD SOVEREIGNTY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WORD, YOU KNOW? IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING MY RECORD, I'VE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST TALLAHASSEE PREEMPTION'S FOR NEARLY FIVE YEARS NOW, SO I WOULD NEVER WILLINGLY GIVE UP AUTHORITY THAT THIS BOARD CURRENTLY HAS. SO THROUGH THE CHAIR, TO MR. KOMANDO , IF WE TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PLACE IT IN THE LDC , TO, TO THE SLIDE THAT WAS UP ON THE SCREEN ABOUT ELLEN NEIGHBOR SMITH SAYING THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRUMPS THE LDC, ARE WE GIVING AWAY AUTHORITY BY DOING THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO YOU, IT'S ALREADY PART OF YOUR AUTHORITY WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WHEN YOU'RE MOVING SOMETHING FROM YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THOSE ARE YOUR GOALS, POLICIES, OBJECTIVES. THAT'S YOUR BIG PICTURE VISION. WE UNDERSTAND BASED ON THE DATA THAT'S COMING INTO THE COUNTY THAT GROWTH IS COMING. WHETHER YOU, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S A MEDIUM LEVEL OF GROWTH OR HIGH LEVEL OF GROWTH, GROWTH IS COMING. SO WHEN THAT GROWTH COMES, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHERE YOU WANT TO SEE THAT GO. THIS IS YOUR VISION AS TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GUIDE THAT GROWTH. FROM THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC ROLES AND HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THOSE GOALS, POLICIES, AND OBJECTIVES. SO NO, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T LOSE ANY OF YOUR SOVEREIGNTY OR AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER. >> OKAY. AND AGAIN, JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, I'M NOT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE'VE HEARD THINGS IN PUBLIC, THAT PEOPLE ASSERT WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE AND WITH A HIGH VOLUME IN THEIR VOICE, AND IT TURNS OUT UPON FURTHER INVESTIGATION NOT TO BE TRUE. SO I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S TRUE SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE TRUTH. MS. LUMBER, MR. KOMANDO, CAME TO THE MICROPHONE AND SHE SAID THAT SB 180 , IF AND WHEN IT'S SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR INTO THE LAW, WOULD HURT OUR ABILITY TO BEEF UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE LDC. SO WE, WE COULDN'T STRENGTHEN THE REGULATIONS. IF WE TOOK SOMETHING OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY, THIS IS MY CONCERN. WE COULDN'T THEN PUT IT BACK IF WE FIGURED OUT THAT THAT WAS A BAD IDEA DOWN THE ROAD IT TO SB 180 BEING SIGNED. DO WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER, OR, OR DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER TONIGHT? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. SO SENATE BILL 180 ACTUALLY HAS BEEN ENROLLED. IT HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW YET. AND SO THOSE ARE WHEN A EMERGENCY HAPPENS THAT AFFECTS THIS COUNTY. IF YOU'RE IN 100 [03:35:02] MILES LANDFALL, IT ACTUALLY LIMITS THE ABILITY TO PUT FURTHER RESTRAINT ON DEVELOPMENT THROUGH EITHER COMP PLAN OR EVEN YOUR LDCS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AFTERWARDS SO AS NOT TO AFFECT RECONSTRUCTION OR CONSTRUCTION AFTER A MAJOR HURRICANE EVENT. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PART OF THAT THAT SPEAKS TO SPECIFIC HURRICANES THAT HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED, AND WHETHER OR NOT THINGS CAN BE MORE RESTRICTED AFTER THOSE HURRICANES. AND SO IT DOES HAVE A LIMITING EFFECT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE SIGNED. IT WAS PASSED BY BOTH HOUSE AND THE SENATE, SO THIS IS UNDER THE EMERGENCY BILL, SO IT'S UNUSUAL FOR ITEMS UNDER CHAPTER 163 TO BE PUT INTO THE EMERGENCY 253 CHAPTER. 252 CHAPTER. BUT IT HAS BEEN. AND SO IT'S ENROLLED. IT'S NOT BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW YET. IT DOES HAVE SOME IMPACT ON HOW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND LENGTH OF ELEMENT CODE AMENDMENTS WILL BE LOOKED AT MOVING FORWARD IN RELATION TO COUNTIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY HURRICANES. >> THANK YOU, MS. WEST. JACOB SMITH, IF YOU'RE STILL HERE, IF YOU HAVEN'T FALLEN ASLEEP YET, I'VE GOT SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR. AND MAYBE I'M JUST A NERD. I FOUND THE PUBLIC, AND INVIGORATING. I'M KIND OF, I'M WIDE AWAKE. THIS WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION, AND SO I'VE GOT QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF TRYING TO MOVE THE COMP PLAN FORWARD. MR. SMITH. >> YES SIR. >> YOU SHOWED US A DENSITY CHART WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL D PROPOSED DENSITY, IF SOMEBODY QUALIFIED THROUGH THESE INCENTIVES THROUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WETLAND PRESERVATION, WOULD MAX OUT AT 21, EVEN WITH EVERY INCENTIVE THAT THEY COULD CAPITALIZE ON. >> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. SO THE, THE DRAFT THAT I SHOWED YOU, I, WHEN I CREATED IT, I INSTILLED A CAP AT 21 ON IT, SO THAT YOU COULD NOT STACK THOSE DENSITY BONUSES TO GO BEYOND 21. >> MR. SMITH, WHY ARE WE PROPOSING 85 FOOT HEIGHT? DO WE NEED 85 FEET IN A BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE 21 UNITS PER ACRE? >> SO THE 85 FOOT HEIGHT STANDARD IN THERE IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE, THE COMMISSION MIGHT CONSIDER ADOPTING INTO THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, A STANDARD BEING APPLIED. BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY, THE CONCEPT OF INCREASING HEIGHT IS CERTAINLY ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BE DENSER, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT 85 FEET, PER SE, IS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE 21 UNITS PER ACRE . >> I'M NOT A BUILDER, I'M NOT A PLANNER, I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED 85 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE 21 UNITS PER ACRE, IF THIS BOARD WERE TO ADOPT THAT, DO WE? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO EITHER. AGAIN, IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER THE HEIGHT. >> OKAY. SO THAT'S DENSITY. THE EYE GLANDS, A FEW COMMENTS WERE MADE THAT WE NEED TO MORE CLEARLY DEFINE THE BOUNDARY. IF WE'RE GOING TO CARVE OUT A ZONE TO, TO PROTECT THE EYE GLANDS, DO WE HAVE A CLEARLY DEFINED BOUNDARY, OR COULD THAT USE SOME WORK? >> THERE ARE DRAFT MAPS THAT WE WORKED ON TO DEFINE THAT BOUNDARY. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE CERTAINLY IS AN AREA THAT IS GENERALLY KIND OF RECOGNIZED, AND IT WOULDN'T BE HORRIBLY DIFFICULT TO WORK UP A MAP THAT, THAT SHOWED THAT AREA. >> OKAY, MR. SMITH. A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEDBACK FOR YOU, AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER. THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE NEED A DEFINITION OF THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. SO AS ONE COMMISSIONERS FEEDBACK, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A DEFINITION OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. DO WE NEED PROTECTIONS FOR UPLAND CONSERVATION AREAS? I MEAN, DOESN'T THE BOARD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON ANY REZONING OF THE CONSERVATION? >> YES, AND ONE OF THE DENSITY BONUSES THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CONTEMPLATE UPLAND PRESERVATION AS WELL, SO THAT'S IN THERE. I DIDN'T FOCUS ON THAT WHEN I TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT UPLAND PRESERVATION CAN BE MADE PART OF THE REZONING, AND CERTAINLY IF IT COMES THROUGH, IT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD. >> I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT WE'RE COMING OFF THE HEELS OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE THIS MORNING WHERE HE SAID LOUD AND CLEAR THAT OUR CONSERVATION LAND IS OFF-LIMITS, SO HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY GOT THAT MESSAGE TODAY. TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, SINCE IT'S THE ONLY TIME WE CAN TALK TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH VIRTUALLY, I AM OPPOSED TO 85 FEET HEIGHT. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE DENSITY, THE REASON I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IT IN THERE AS SHALL CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD IS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHOUT MORE DENSITY. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. SO IF WE DO NOT AGREE TO INCREASE SOME DENSITY, THEN WE SHOULD JUST SAY INTO THE MICROPHONE , IN PUBLIC, THAT WE JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND JUST BE DONE WITH IT, SO PEOPLE DON'T KEEP COMING WITH GOOD-FAITH [03:40:02] SOLUTIONS FOR US TO CONSIDER. WE SHOULD JUST SAY, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'RE GOING TO BE A LOW-DENSITY COMMUNITY. FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I HAD MIKE ROBERTSON WORK UP SOME NUMBERS FOR ME FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE FOR NEARLY FIVE YEARS, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT BECOME WHAT PEOPLE SO OFTEN SAY INTO THESE MICROPHONES, WHICH IS, WE DON'T WANT TO BE JACKSONVILLE, MIAMI, TAMPA, OR ORLANDO. SO I HAD MIKE LOOK UP WHAT THEIR MAXIMUM DENSITIES ARE. UP IN DUVAL COUNTY, JACKSONVILLE, YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 80 UNITS PER ACRE. IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 83 UNITS PER ACRE. IN THE CITY OF ORLANDO, YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 200 UNITS PER ACRE. AND IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 500 UNITS PER ACRE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UNDER THE EXISTING MAXIMUM ZONING OF 16 UNITS PER ACRE THAT WE HAVE NOW, THAT WE ARE EVER IN ANY DANGER OF BECOMING JACKSONVILLE, ORLANDO, TAMPA, OR MIAMI . I DON'T THINK THAT IF WE RAISE IT TO 21 UNITS PER ACRE IN AN EFFORT TO HELP OUR FRIENDS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPACE GETS A MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I DON'T THINK, THEN, WE WOULD BE IN DANGER OF BECOMING JACKSONVILLE, TAMPA, ORLANDO, OR MIAMI. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. OH, THE EYE GLANDS. I THINK THAT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE BEEN PROTECTING OUR AG LENS IN THE FORM OF DENIALS. WE HAVE DENIED EVERY PROJECT SINCE I'VE BECOME A COMMISSIONER IN NOVEMBER OF 2020 THAT WASN'T ENCROACHED INTO OUR FARMLANDS. SO JUST DUE TO POLICYMAKING OF APPROVING OR DENYING PRODUCTS, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OVER NEARLY THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVE DENIED EVERYTHING THAT WOULD'VE ENCROACHED INTO FARM COUNTRY. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY STATEMENTS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG ITEM, BUT I'M, AGAIN, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY EXCITING. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. GREG BURKE, YOU WERE SPOT ON. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE FOR YEARS, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE 85 FOOT . WHAT IS THE LOGIC THERE? BECAUSE 35 TO 85 SEEMS LIKE A HUGE JUMP. BUT I UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE INDUSTRIAL, POSSIBLY BY THE HIGHWAY, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE REASONABLE? I'M JUST ASKING. THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A CRAZY JUMP TO ME. >> SURE. GOOD QUESTION. MIKE ROBERTSON AGAIN. THE IDEA WAS, IF YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO INCREASE DENSITY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS ANY OTHER REGULATIONS THAT MIGHT INHIBIT THAT GROWTH, RIGHT? THAT ALLOWANCE OF THAT, SUCH AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE,AND SUCH AS HEIGHT. SO THE IDEA WAS JUST TO POTENTIALLY CONSIDER SOME HEIGHT. AGAIN, IF THEY SHALL CONSIDER, IT 85 FEET. AGAIN, IF THE BOARD THINKS THAT HEIGHT IS NOT PART OF THAT, AND IT'S OKAY THE WAY IT IS, THEN CERTAINLY. BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COMPENSATE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT CAN AFFECT THAT. WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE YOUR LENDER ELEMENT CODE PROHIBIT SOMETHING THAT COULD, THAT YOU WANT TO MAXIMIZE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> NIKKI FOR THAT EXPLANATION. THAT MAKES SENSE. JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL. I WANT OUR DENSITY TO BE VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MOVING FORWARD WITH ONE THING OR ANOTHER, SO. >> , COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, CAN I OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS WHILE WE'RE HERE? >> SURE. SURE. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. SO HERE'S MY THOUGHT. YOU GUYS CAN TALK ABOUT THIS THING HERE. I DON'T WANT SOLAR PANELS ON AG LAND, AND THAT'S IN THERE. WE DON'T WANT THE HEIGHTS. WE DON'T WANT THIS, WE DON'T WANT THAT. I GET IT. WE DON'T NEED HOUSING FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. WE, WE DON'T NEED TO MOVE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT LINE. WE HAVE LIVE LOCAL ACCESS TO KIND OF COVER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE TIME, AND I REALLY THINK OF THE IDEA OF SENDING OVER THE, TO BE, YOU KNOW, SENDING TO FORWARD ONLY STATUTORY CHANGES, AND THEN WE SPEND THE TIME THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR TO DO, LOOK AT THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE REALLY, THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WE SHOULD BE GETTING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ROB, WE SHOULD BE MAKING IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO TRAVEL, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THE SCHOOLS AND ALL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS CAUGHT UP BEFORE WE EVEN DISCUSS ALL THESE IDEAS THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW. AND AGAIN , THE REALITY IS, WE HAVE FOUR MEETINGS LEFT, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT, AND I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT THIS BOARD WILL WORK TOGETHER TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THE GUANA ISSUE UP , WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET A HAPPY MEDIUM, BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT HIGH DENSE TRAFFIC. THEY DON'T WANT , YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND IT'S GETTING DONE. YOU ALREADY HEARD THAT THEY'RE GETTING DONE. SHE'S GETTING SOME DONE. I MEAN, IT IS WORKING THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW. THE COMP PLAN. AND I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MAYBE MOVE TO UPDATE THE COMP PLAN USING THE MEDIAN POPULATION PROJECTIONS FOR 15 [03:45:04] YEAR LONG-RANGE PLANNING HORIZON TO 2040, KEEPING THE SAME GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WITHOUT MOVING THE DEVELOPER BOUNDARY OR INCREASING THE DENSITY, AS WELL AS NOT MOVE ANYTHING FROM THE COMP PLAN INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND BASICALLY, IF WE DO THAT NOW, WE CAN HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S A SECOND FOR THAT. >> YEAH, I, I, I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. I SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON THIS COMP PLAN, AND I ACTUALLY CONSULTED WITH A NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS, AND THEY ALL SHARED EXACTLY WHAT ELLEN NEIGHBOR SMITH SHARED EARLIER. THE COMP PLAN DOES TRUMP THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IT IS VERY NAÏVE TO THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THINGS INTO THE LAND DEVELOPING CODE, THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THINGS. BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE. THIS WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING, TOO, BECAUSE FROM TALKING TO OUR RESIDENTS, HEARING SO MANY CONVERSATIONS, EMAILS, HEARING FROM PEOPLE TONIGHT, WE KNOW LOUD AND CLEAR THAT OUR RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY ARE HURTING. THEY ARE VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE TRAFFIC, WITH OUR LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE. OUR SCHOOLS ARE SUFFERING. AND WHEN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT THAT MEANS, NOT ONLY DOES IT MEAN ROADS AND TRAFFIC AND THAT, AND SCHOOLS, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PLACES FOR OUR KIDS. WHEN I, I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE DENSITY. LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE GOING IN. I HEAR ALL THE TIME, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ALL OF THESE APARTMENTS? AND THERE'S SO MANY MORE ON THE WAY, AND THEY'RE GETTING TALLER AND TALLER. SO, AND, WHAT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, I KNOW WE SPOKE RECENTLY, AND WE HAD A PART DISCUSSION IN THAT. AND I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. WE ARE SO BEHIND REGARDING PARKS, REGARDING PLACES FOR OUR KIDS TO PLAY SPORTS. AND WITH ALL THE DENSITY THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE. OUR KIDS, I SHARED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT 150 TACKLE FOOTBALL PLAYERS ARE BEING TOLD TO PRACTICE ON ONE FOOTBALL FIELD. ONE FOOTBALL FIELD, 150 KIDS. THAT IS NOT SAFE. THAT IS NOT SAFE, AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY. WE ALSO HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEAR INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS, THAT FACILITY IS ALREADY AT CAPACITY. WE HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT! WE HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING HERE NOW! WITH ALL OF THE DENSITY AND ALL OF THE INCREASE IN HOUSING, WHERE IS, WHERE ARE ALL THE BIOSOLIDS GOING TO GO? WE NEED TO PLAN BETTER. WE NEED TO HAVE GOT A LETTER INFRASTRUCTURE CATCH UP. AND RIGHT NOW, WE ARE, WE ARE LACKING IN ALL OF IT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE TIME, THE STATE IS TRYING TO CONTROL WAY TOO MUCH. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, I DID MY HOMEWORK, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO THAT JEN LUMBER SPOKE EARLIER AS AN ATTORNEY, SHE SHARED A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER ATTORNEYS. BUT THIS SENATE BILL 180 IS ACTUALLY A SISTER BILL TO HB 943, WHICH IS TIED TO LIVE LOCAL. SO I WAS GOING TO MENTION THIS DURING MY COMMENTS LATER, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET CONSENSUS TO DO A LETTER TO DESANTIS THAT WE NEED TO VETO THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST ANOTHER, LIKE I SAID, IT IS TIED TO LIVE LOCAL. AND WHY IN THE WORLD DO WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HINDER US WITH ALL THE CONTROL THAT THEY'VE ALREADY HAD? BUT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT JUST KEEPING WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE'VE ALREADY GOT PLENTY OF DENSITY. LIKE I SAID, JUST LOOK, LOOK AROUND AT ALL THE APARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE, AND DEFINITELY WE DON'T NEED TO INCREASE TO 80, THE 35 FEET IS, IS PLENTY. WE, WE NEED TO PRESERVE. AND I ALWAYS KEEP COMING BACK, I HAVE THIS IN MY OFFICE, AND I LOOK AT IT ALL THE TIME. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU CAN'T SEE IT. BUT THIS IS JUST, THESE WERE THE TOP PRIORITIES ONE, WHEN INSPIRE DID, WHEN WE HAD SO MANY MEETINGS OVER THE LAST, WHATEVER IT WAS, YEAR AND A HALF FOR THAT. AND NOWHERE ON HERE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT WANTING TO INCREASE HEIGHT UP TO 85 FEET WITH THE LINKS OR INCREASE DENSITY OR MAKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE EVEN WORSE. NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS PRESERVE AND CONSERVE, CONSERVE OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND WILDLIFE. NUMBER TWO, IMPROVE AND EXPAND OUR ROADWAY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN. BUT NOWHERE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT MAKING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE EVEN, EVEN WORSE, AND TAKING MORE OF A TOLL ON IT. SO WE HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS, AND LIKE SO MANY THAT SPOKE TONIGHT, I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THEM THAT I'M FINE WITH LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS, AND, AND THAT, SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD TAKEN AWAY ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY IS THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY LIKES THIS POINT. I DON'T THINK THE [03:50:05] DEVELOPERS DO, I DON'T THINK THAT ENVIRONMENTALISTS DO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYBODY IT'S COME UP AND SAID, WELL, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE. I AGREE THAT 85 FEET IS, IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I, I BELIEVE THAT, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONFLICT WITH THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY, BUT THEN WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE DENSITY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIND WAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO INFILL, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. IT'S SIMPLY SUPPLY AND DEMAND. THE FEWER HOUSES, FEWER HOUSING WE HAVE, THE HIGHER THE COST IS GOING TO BE FOR THAT. WE NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. IT ALSO REALIZED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT DONE TONIGHT. WE ARE ON TIME CONSTRAINT. I WOULD BE A MINIMAL TO MOVING ON WITH ONLY STATUTORY CHANGES, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT ONLY, ONLY IF WE CAN COME TOGETHER AS A BOARD AND SAY THAT WE WILL MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET THE PEOPLE AROUND A TABLE AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE, TO COMPROMISE ON THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT LET THIS GO ANY FARTHER WITHOUT, WITHOUT FIXING THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT BEFORE OUR TIME CONSTRAINT FALLS, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION. DO WE WANT TO CLEAN THAT MOTION UP? >> IS A MOTION AND A -- AND YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANT TO AMEND IT, OR -- >> CAN YOU REPEAT IT? >> IT WAS, IT WAS -- >> YES. I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO UPDATE THE COMP PLAN USING THE MEDIAN POPULATION PROJECTION WITH A 15 YEAR LONG RANGE PLANNING HORIZON TO 2040, KEEPING THE SAME GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WITHOUT MOVING THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY OR INCREASING DENSITY, AS WELL AS NOT MOVING ANYTHING TO THE COMP PLAN INTO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND MOVING STATUTORY CHANGES AHEAD FOR THE, YEAH, DO YOU WANT TO CLEAN THAT UP? >> YEAH. WE'LL ESSENTIALLY CLEAN THAT UP. >> THE MOTION'S TO KEEP THE COMP PLAN THE SAME, WHICH CREATES A PROBLEM FOR THE BOARD. >> I DIDN'T KEEP IT THE SAME. WE MAKE STATUTORY CHANGES, AND WE, IN MY, YEAH, IN MY MOTION, WE CAN DO THAT ONE. >> YEAH, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HEAR YOU VERY WELL. I'M SO SORRY. >> SO WE CAN MEET, WE CAN SUBMIT STATUTORY CHANGES. >> IT'S MAKING THE STATUTORY CHANGES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UPDATING YOUR DATA, BUT IN YOUR DATA'S NOT SUPPORTING YOUR PLAN. I MEAN, THE PLAN IS MORE THAN 20 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT. >> I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME? CAN I HAVE THE FLOOR, PLEASE? >> YES YOU MAY. >> COMMISSIONER -- OKAY. SO LET, LET ME JUST TRY, LET'S JUST TRY THE, CAN YOU HEAR ME, EVERYBODY? >> YUP. >> SO I, I CONSULTED WITH KEELEY ON THIS, ON THIS MOTION, AND I THINK IT WOULD WORK, BUT I CAN AMEND IT SO THAT IT, WE STILL, WE PUT THE STATUTORY PARTS IN IT. BUT TO MOVE TO UPDATE THE COMP PLAN USING THE MEDIAN POPULATION PROJECTION WITH A 15 YEAR LONG RANGE PLANNING HORIZON TO 2040, KEEPING THE SAME GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WITHOUT MOVING THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY OR INCREASING DENSITY. AND WE CAN AMEND THAT IN ANY WAY YOU'D LIKE, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE BASICS. >> CHAIR MURPHY? >> PLEASE. >> WOULD WE BE ABLE TO HEAR BACK FROM STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT, THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT? I WOULD JUST LOVE TO KNOW THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS. >>, THANK YOU MR. CARE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER MOTION YOU MAKE IS IN LINE WITH THE STATUTE. I THINK THE, THE STATUTES THAT WE WOULD INCORPORATE FIND THE, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME. I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED AS A 15 YEAR. I THINK THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH WHAT THE STATUTE REQUIRES. >> SO AGAIN -- >> SO THEN AMEND IT. >> SO THE STATUTES DID CHANGE IN 2023. NOW WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO A 10 AND 20 YEAR PLANNING PERIOD. SO YOUR HORIZON OF YOUR PLAN HAS TO BE A 20 YEAR PLAN. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. YES SIR. >> SO IS THERE A SECOND? THERE'S ALREADY A SECOND ON THE MOTION, CORRECT? >> WAS THERE A SECOND? NO, OKAY. [03:55:01] >> I THOUGHT ANN -- >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> JUST SOME DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. OBVIOUSLY THE, THE AGENDA ITEM SHOWED UP AS A DISCUSSION SO WITHOUT HAVING A MOTION TO CONSIDER, THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST MOTION FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. BUT WITHOUT HAVING AMPLE TIME TO CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE MOTION, I JUST THINK IT'S PREMATURE. WE HAVE PCA THAT IS SCHEDULED TO HEAR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEIR FEEDBACK AS A PART OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY TONIGHT, AS A PART OF THE STAFF FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET MOVING FORWARD BEFORE WE ENACT THE MOTION THAT WILL BE FINAL AND BE PERMANENT AND TAKE THE ABILITY AWAY FROM PZA TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ITEM. SO I JUST THINK IT MIGHT BE A GREAT MOTION, IT MIGHT NOT BE A GREAT MOTION, BUT WITH IT SORT OF BEING SPRUNG ON US, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO CONSIDER IT. AND SO, FOR THAT REASON, I'M OPPOSING IT. NOT BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO CONSIDER IT, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE NO. I WISH THAT WE COULD RESCIND THE MOTION AND WAIT FOR US PZA. >> MR. JOSEPH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO RESEND, CAN WE DO THAT? OR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE -- WOULD YOU BE WILLING -- >> NO SIR. >> OKAY. >> NO SIR. NO, YOU KNOW WHAT? BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE CONSIDERING WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SAID, IT'S THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO SEND THIS TO PZA, BECAUSE IT IS NOT , HAS NO CHANGES. WE NEED TO MAKE AS A BOARD. WE CANNOT SEND THIS FORWARD BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN AGREE WITH ANY OF, I MEAN, I CAN GO THROUGH 100 OF THESE CHANGES RIGHT NOW. SO IF YOU WANT TO START RIGHT NOW AND START WITH PAGE ONE AND GO THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT I'M MAKING, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'LL BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD SEND THIS FORWARD AS IS. WE'VE HAD THIS COMP PLAN FOREVER. EVERYONE'S HAPPY WITH IT. AND THEN, AND WORK ON IT, SOMETHING BY THE END OF THE YEAR. AND I HAVE, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WANTED TO SEE THAT, COMMISSIONER MURPHY WANTED TO DO THAT, MAYBE COMMISSIONER MURPHY CAN MAKE THE AMENDED EMOTION, BUT WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. JUNE 5TH, THAT'S THE NEXT, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, LIKE THIS, IN THIS CAPACITY. WE JUST HEARD FROM 1 MILLION, WE, I'VE HAD TONS OF EMAILS. I'VE HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE TALKING TONIGHT. IT'S NOT DONE. IT'S NOT CLOSE TO BEING DONE, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO SEND THIS TO PZA. SO THAT WHERE I'M STANDING. >> JUST A QUICK REBUTTAL. JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING THE COMP PLAN? WE KEEP HEARING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE, WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME. WHAT'S THE DEADLINE. >> SURE. WE NEED TO SUBMIT IT TO THE STATE BY THE END OF AUGUST, FOR THEIR YEAR-END EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT. >> ESTHER KOMANDO, DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, THE ABILITY OF A BOARD TO CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS EVERY DAY IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST? COULD WE MEET AS A BOARD, PUBLICLY NOTICE THOSE MEETINGS, AND DISCUSS IT EVERY SINGLE DAY UNTIL WE CAME UP WITH A FINAL SOLUTION FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IF WE, IF WE CHOSE TO DO THAT. >> YES SIR, YOU COULD. >> WE COULD HAVE AS MANY EMERGENCY MEETINGS OR SPECIAL MEETINGS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SINGLE LAZY COMMISSIONER ON THIS BOARD. EVERYBODY WOULD BE WILLING TO COME IN AND PUT IN THE WORK IF WE WERE GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME. IT'S BETTER TO MEASURE TWICE OR THREE TIMES OR 10 TIMES WHEN IT'S SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN ONLY HAVE TO CUT ONCE RATHER THAN RUSH TO JUDGMENT ON A MOTION THAT WAS SPRUNG ON US AND VOTE HOPING THAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION. IT MIGHT BE. IT MIGHT BE THE BEST THING. BUT I, I THINK IT'S BEING SPRUNG ON US. WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO CONSIDER IT. LET'S TAKE OUR TIME AND CONSIDER WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> MICHENER JOSEPH, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU. SO IT'S NOT AUGUST. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PZA LOOK AT IT. WE HAVE STATUTORY THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. WE ONLY HAVE FOUR MEETINGS LEFT. AND AUGUST IS NOT WHERE WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS. WE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY , IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ALL THESE MEETINGS, IT SHOULD START TOMORROW, AND IT SHOULD BE THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, EVERY DAY, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. BUT THAT SHOULD NOT GO TO THE PZA IN THIS FORMAT. SO I'M GIVING YOU A CHOICE ON A MOTION TO AMEND IT , AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAD A REALLY GOOD THING, CHAIR MURPHY, AND THAT YOU CAN ENDED THE WAY YOU FEEL THAT WE CAN SEND IT FORWARD. >> WELL, SO, RICH, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS, GOING FORWARD, IF WE TAKE NO ACTION TODAY, GOING FORWARD, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED WOULD GO TO PZA IN TWO WEEKS, OR WHENEVER THE NEXT PZA MEETING -- >> YES SIR. AND WHETHER YOU TAKE A FORMAL MOTION AS ACTION, WITH [04:00:06] WHAT STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS ARE LOOKING FOR IS REALLY DIRECTION. YOU'VE EXPRESSED A LOT OF THAT TONIGHT. SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU. THERE WAS ACTUALLY NO NEED FOR A MOTION, BUT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH MADE A MOTION, NOW YOU HAVE A SECOND. THAT WILL HAVE TO BE RESOLVED. >> WELL, OKAY. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO MAKE THE, THE REALLY TOUGH DECISION. THIS REALLY NEEDS A LOT MORE WORK. I, I'M A BIG BELIEVER THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE EVEN THE MEDIAN GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT EACH PERSON HAS BROUGHT UP, AND BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS. MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, THEN, GOING FORWARD, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SMART, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE LEGAL WAY FOR US TO HAVE THE TIME TO GO BACK AND REALLY IRON OUT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH? WOULD IT BE TO -- AM I, AM I, AM I FORMING THIS QUESTION? DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE? >> YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL FOR A WORKSHOP. YOU CAN SEND IT TO THE PZA, TAKE THE INPUT THEY GIVE YOU, AND COME BACK. YOU CAN FALL BACK ON THIS POSITION. YOU CAN MAKE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE REDLINES. I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION AND OPTIONS AT THIS POINT. >> OKAY. >> EVEN WITH THAT MOTION, YOU NEED A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD. AND SO EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE MEDIAN GROWTH AND YOU'RE GOING TO USE THAT PLANNING HORIZON, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE DATA IN THE ANALYSIS TO SUPPORT THE PLAN. SO THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE A PLAN THAT MOVES FORWARD. >> OKAY. WELL, LET'S, LET'S ADDRESS THE MOTION FIRST, THEN WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO WORK THIS THING TO WHERE I CAN GET PEOPLE TO VOTE? >> BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH APPEARING, I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO COULD DO A VOICE VOTE. >> OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO, I GUESS IT'S TO GO FORWARD WITH JUST A STATUTORY CHANGES. IS THAT, CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION? >> BECAUSE YOU'RE AT YOUR END OF YOUR COMP PLAN, WHICH IS THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE THE STATUTORY CHANGES. YOU HAVE TO UPDATE YOUR PLAN. I BELIEVE THE MOTION IS TO UPDATE THE PLAN USING THE MEDIAN PROJECTIONS, AS WELL AS HAVING A PLANNING HORIZON OF JUST 20 YEARS. BUT EVEN WITH THAT, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN. AND SO THERE WOULD STILL BE ANALYSIS DONE, AND DATA, AND IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU TO BE TRANSMITTED. >> OKAY. SO LET'S CLEAR THE MOTION UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. THE MOTION WAS TO -- >> AS I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, THE MOTION IS TO USE THE 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON MEDIAN POPULATION GROWTH, NOT MAKE CHANGES, MOVING FROM THE COMP PLAN TO THE LDC. >> OKAY. >> AND, MA'AM, AND THE REST WITH KEEPING THE SAME GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WITHOUT MOVING THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY OR INCREASING DENSITY. >> THAT AS WELL. >> OKAY. SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. >> WELL, I'M, I'M A NO VOTE ON THAT. >> I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HAD COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING, RIGHT? DO WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH COMMENT. SO WE HAVE A NO. >> I'M A NO. >> A NOTE FROM COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> NO. 25 TO 27 >> AND COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. KRISTA. WE'LL SOLVE IT. I'LL BE -- I -- >> OH, SHE'S ON THE PHONE. >> I -- >> WE JUST NEED HER -- >> I, I'M A NO. SO WE HAVE THREE. SO SHE'S A YES. SO. >> JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HEARD BY THE RECORDING, IF YOU'LL RESTATE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH HAS VOTED YES ON THE MOTION. SO THE MOTION [04:05:02] FAILS 3-2. NEXT STEPS. OKAY. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM [3. Public Hearing * Adoption of Reclaimed Water Connection and Meter Fee for Beacon Lake, Phases 1-3. St. Johns County Utility Department (SJCUD) is pleased to announce the availability of reclaimed water for irrigation within Beacon Lake, Phases 1-3. The provision of reclaimed water for irrigation fosters water conservation and allows these customers to reduce their monthly utility bill (depending on usage). St. Johns County Ordinance 22-37 requires all customers receiving reclaimed water to pay a reclaimed water unit connection fee and a meter fee. This fee, typically paid upfront at the time of construction of a new home, totals $1,280.83. To provide flexibility, SJCUD is recommending to the St. Johns County Board of County Commissioners an interest free monthly fee of $21.35 to be implemented for a period of 60 months, rather than pay a single, lump sum amount. Staff will seek approval from the Board of County Commissioners regarding the adoption of a Reclaimed Water Connection and Meter Fee for the Beacon Lake, Phases 1-3 utility customers. The proposed fee is included as Item # 22 in Schedule H (Water, Reclaimed Water, and Wastewater Service Charges) of the St. Johns County Water, Wastewater and Reclaimed Water System Rate Tariff, effective June 1st, 2025, upon approval of the Board. ] NUMBER THREE. >> CHAIRMAN MURPHY, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING. NEAL SHINKRE, UTILITY DIRECTOR. THE ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE ADOPTION FOR RECLAIM WATER FEE FOR BEACON LAKE COMMUNITIES PHASE ONE AND THREE. 123, I'M SORRY. THIS IS A FEE THAT IS TYPICALLY COLLECTED, THIS IS A FEE THAT IS TYPICALLY COLLECTED BY OUR UTILITY WHEN THE BUILDER PAYS FOR IT AT TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WAS NOT COLLECTED, BECAUSE RECLAIMED WATER WAS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. JUST TO GO THROUGH THE CHRONOLOGY OF THE EVENTS ON WHY THE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A COMMUNITY LOCATED WITHIN THE TWIN CREEKS DRI THAT IS LOCATED ON OUR NORTHEAST SECTION OF OUR UTILITIES. AS YOU CAN SEE, BORDERS 210, WHICH IS KIND OF THE BORDERLINE BETWEEN JDA AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS DEVELOPMENT ORDER REQUIRES THAT THE RESIDENTS AND THE HOMES LOWER QUALITY SOURCE FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES, AND THAT SOURCE, FOR EXAMPLE, COULD BE STORMWATER, SURFACE WATER, AND RECLAIMED WATER. THE DEVELOPER CHOSE TO USE RECLAIMED WATER, AS THEY FELT THAT THIS WAS THE MOST SUSTAINABLE SOURCE. BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THE COUNTY UTILITY DID NOT HAVE FACILITIES FOR RECLAIMED WATER IN THIS REGION, SO WE HAD TO COLLABORATE WITH JE A TO PROVIDE THAT RESOURCE. WE DID THAT, BUT UNFORTUNATE PART OF THAT TIME WAS JE EIGHT DID NOT HAVE RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM. THEY INITIATED THAT PROCESS, AND WE RAN INTO COVID. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT PROJECT GOT DELAYED, AND TO MAKE THINGS WORSE, THEIR CONTRACTOR WAS PROVIDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WENT BANKRUPT. AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE DELAY. AS SOON AS, IN 2018, THE BEACON LAKE INITIATED, THAT WAS THE CASE. SO IN EARLY 2024, JEA ANNOUNCED TO US THAT THE RECLAIMED WATER WOULD BE AVAILABLE, SO WE IMMEDIATELY WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER, ACCEPTED THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, AND CAME BACK. SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, COMMISSIONERS, TO PROPOSE A FEE. THE FEE IS REALLY AN EXCEPTION TO OUR TARIFF STRUCTURE, WHICH REALLY IS NORMALLY COLLECTED AT, AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. THE FEE IS A REQUIREMENT OF OUR ORDINANCE 2227, AND THE FEE DISTRIBUTION, YOU CAN SEE, IS A UNIT CONNECTION FEE PLUS A METER FEE. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY TO THE MISSION IS A $21.35 PER MONTH FEE, INTEREST FREE FOR 60 MONTH PAYMENTS. THIS FEE WOULD BE ONLY FOR EXISTING CUSTOMERS, AND THE IF THE BOARD SHOULD APPROVE IT TODAY, WE WOULD GO BACK TO OUR NORMAL ORDINANCE, WHICH IS COLLECTION AT THE TIME OF BUILDING FOR THEIR NEW CUSTOMERS. JUST TO WALK THE BOARD WITH OUR BILL COMPARISON, WHAT THIS MEANS, THIS IS KIND OF A GOOD NEWS FOR THE COMMUNITY, HONESTLY, BECAUSE IF THE PROVISION OF RECLAIMED WATER IS THERE IN SPITE OF REPORTABLE WATER, WHICH IS NORMALLY THE CASE TODAY, THE RESIDENTS, THE AVERAGE RESIDENT IS GOING TO SAVE ABOUT $48.74. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE 14,300 GALLONS PER MONTH SEEMS TO BE THE AVERAGE CONSUMPTION PER MONTH, ON AN AVERAGE. THAT, THAT NUMBER CAN VARY DURING WINTER TO BE BELOW. THAT NUMBER COULD BE HIGHER DURING SUMMER. THAT'S THE AVERAGE DURING THE YEAR. AND AS YOU CAN SEE TOWARDS THE END, THAT, THAT DELTA , OR SAVINGS IS ABOUT $48. SO IN LAMENTING THIS FEE FOR $21 WILL STILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT TO THAT, TO THE CUSTOMER, BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING RECLAIMED WATER. IT'S SOMETHING PERSONALLY I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT, THIS COMMUNITY WILL SAVE ABOUT 95 MILLION GALLONS OF PORTABLE WATER RATHER THAN RECLAIMED WATER, WHICH IS GREAT FOR OUR RESOURCE. WE HAVE COMMUNICATED A LOT WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED. SO WE PLACED A LOT OF THESE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS IN OUR WEBSITE. IT'S ABOUT 22 OF THEM. A FEW OF THEM THAT I WANT TO ADDRESSTHE BOARD ARE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE GET A WARRANTY? WHAT WE SAID YES TO. DID THE BUILDER COLLECT OUR FEE? IT'S SOMETHING I COULD NOT ANSWER ON BEHALF OF THE UTILITY, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD NOT, AS A BUILDER, WE TOLD THE COMMUNITY THAT THE UTILITY HAS NOT COLLECTED THE FEE. WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE ALSO FELT THAT, THAT THE, THE BUILDER PROBABLY COMMUNICATED AT THAT TIME THAT THIS WOULD BE FREE, SOMETHING WE'VE NOT SHARED, WE'VE NOT [04:10:05] HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMUNITY BROUGHT, WHICH WE ADDRESSED TO THEM. WE START WITH THAT. WE'RE READY FOR THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS? >> NO. >> THEN WE'LL YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. >> ALL RIGHT. I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD. >> COMMISSIONER, I'LL MOVE THIS IF YOU'D LIKE. >> PLEASE. >> MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025--- >> 178. >> THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM RATE TARIFF TO INCLUDE A RECLAIMED WATER CONNECTION AND METER FEE FOR BEACON LAKE, PHASES ONE THROUGH THREE, FOR A PERIOD OF 60 MONTHS, EFFECTIVE JUNE 1ST, 2025. >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE.. [16. Motion to adopt Resolution 2025-________, authorizing the County Administrator, or designee, to execute Contract Amendment #4 with Merrell Bros., Inc, under Master Contract #23-GSA-MER-18029, for biosolid hauling, which exercises three (3) oneyear renewals, at the revised Unit Price. For more information, contact Jaime Locklear, Director, Purchasing at 904 209-0158] >> OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 5-0. WE'LL NOW GO TO DEDHAM ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE 16 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. WHERE ALL OF YOU HAVE YOUR THINGS WITH YOU. GO AHEAD, SIR. >> GOOD EVENING, OR SHOULD I SAY GOOD NIGHT? I'M BRIAN MATISSE, AND I WAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY DEPARTMENT, AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR BID NUMBER 2348. I'LL START WITH A GENERAL BACKGROUND OF THIS CONTRACT. ESSENTIALLY, THE PURPOSES FOR UTILITY SYSTEM BIO SOLID HAULING, AND THIS WAS AWARDED BACK IN 2023. AND MERRELL BROS. INC. WAS REPORTED LOW BIDDER. THE INITIAL TERM WAS FOR TWO YEARS WITH ONE THREE-YEAR TERM, ONE INITIAL TWO YEAR TERM WITH THREE ONE-YEAR RENEWALS. AND WE'VE PROCESSED THREE CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO DATE. ONE AT THE PLAYERS CLUB WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT $98.12 A TON, AND THAT WAS EXECUTED IN 2024. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO WAS MEANT TO RENEW THE CONTRACT, BUT WE COULDN'T AGREE WHAT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, SO THAT WAS NOT EXECUTED. AN AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE EXTENDED THE CONTRACT BY A MONTH OR SO, SO WE CAN NEGOTIATE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE RENEWAL SOME OF THE IMPACTS TO THE COST OF THIS CONTRACT INCLUDES LIMITED DISPOSAL FACILITY CAPACITY FOR THE BIOSOLIDS, INCREASED BIO SOLID DISPOSAL COST, AND THEN ALSO THE INCREASED TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONAL COST TIED TO THE HAULING. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT IS DRAFTED INCLUDES EXERCISING ALL THREE ORIGINAL OPTIONS, INCREASING THE UNIT PRICE TO $106 $.26 A TON, AND THE INTENT IS FOR US TO HAVE THAT UNIT PRICE FOR ALL THREE YEARS, AND IT INCLUDES A INDEX BASED FUEL ADJUSTMENT, WHERE THEY CAN'T INCREASE THE COST UNLESS IT EXCEEDS 25% OF THE CURRENT -- COST BASED ON THE INDEX, AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. THE SUGGESTED MOTION IS UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT ESSENTIALLY IS TO EXECUTE AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR, EXERCISE ALL THREE ONE-YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS AT THE UNIT PRICE THAT WAS REVISED. AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS ANY PROCUREMENT RELATED QUESTION, AND NEAL WILL DISCUSS ANY UTILITY RELATED QUESTIONS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD? >> NO. >> WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN, ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. >> JOE MCINERNEY, 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. SO I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY SOMETHING. I'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT TO THE RESIDENTS OUT AT, OH GOSH. I'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT TO THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE WHO WANT TO STOP THE STINK. AND I HAVE TO SAY, NEAL SHINKRE IS FANTASTIC. WHAT A GREAT HOST. HE HOSTED ME, GAVE ME ALL KINDS OF EXPLANATION, INCLUDING A GREAT RUNDOWN. I DID ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OPTIONS. AND B, IF YOU WILL. WHAT HAPPENS IF INDIAN HEAD GOES AWAY? NOT THAT WE WANTED TO. WE JUST WANT TO STOP THE STINK. AND HE PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SCOURED THE TERRITORY, HE SAYS, CALLED EVERY MUNICIPALITY, CALLED EVERY ENTITY AND ASKED, CAN YOU TAKE OUR STUFF? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN A BOX HERE, I MUST SAY. TO ME, AS I SEE THIS, THIS MOTION, AND MERRELL BROTHERS, THEY'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG. I MEAN, I'M [04:15:02] SORRY THEY'RE IN THE CROSSHAIRS HERE. AND NEAL EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THEY PUT AN RFP OUT, AND THAT MERRELL WAS THE LOW BID . THEIR PREVIOUS VENDOR, H&H, DROPPED OUT AND SUBMITTED NO-BID. SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT NEAL IS DOING HIS BEST, THAT OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT'S DOING THEIR BEST. I HAVE TO SAY, THIS WAY, I DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT INDIAN HEAD IS NECESSARILY DOING THEIR BEST. THEY ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS, IF YOU WILL. THE COUNTY HERE HAS GIVEN THEM A NOTICE TO COMPLY. WHETHER THEY ARE COMPLETELY OR NOT REMAINS TO BE SEEN, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE A REPEAT, A REPEAT KIND OF INCIDENT. AND THE SMELL IS THERE. I TOLD THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY OUGHT TO OFFER THEIR HOMES TO EACH OF YOU ON AN AIRBNB BASIS TO COME OUT AND LIVE IN THEIR HOME FOR A WEEK, WALK IN THEIR SHOES. THIS, THIS STUFF IS REAL. IT, IT IS REAL, AND I KNOW THAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE ODOR ISSUE. BUT THIS IS REAL. I GUESS THE THING THAT JUMPS OUT TO ME IS, MERRELL , WITH A THREE-YEAR, THREE ONE-YEAR RENEWAL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ONE-YEAR RENEWAL THREE TIMES, AND THAT'S WHAT'S HOLDING THEIR UNIT PRICE, OF WHAT WOULD CHANGE IF THEY WERE OFFERED ONE, ONE-YEAR RENEWAL. I THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT INDIAN HEAD. I THINK WE NEED TO FORCE THAT ISSUE. AND, NOT THAT MERRELL HAS ANY , ANY, YOU KNOW, IMPLICATION IN ANY OF THIS, BUT, TO ME, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THIS WAS ONE ONE-YEAR AMENDMENT. LET'S TAKE IT ONE YEAR AT A TIME. SO THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I HAVE. ARE THEY GUARANTEED THREE ONE-YEAR RENEWALS? AND I JUST SAY, HOW ABOUT ONE? SO, THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY, BEFORE WE PROCEED TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, TO YOU'RE AWARE THAT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH JUST NOTIFIED US THAT SHE IS NOT REJOINING THE MEETING, THAT SHE HAS TO HELP WITH THE FAMILY. SO ANGIE CALLING, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF, IS ON STANDBY JUST IN CASE SHE CHANGES HER MIND. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. TREY TURNER, 107 MORGANS TREASURE ROAD. ASK FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. IT'S 9:30 AT NIGHT. BABY'S ASLEEP FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, SO. I AM A RESIDENT THAT HAS LIVED IN ORANGE CO. SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2022. AS JOE STATED, YOU GUYS HAVE COME LIVE IN MY HOUSE WITH ME. IT DOESN'T SMELL. I, I HAVE MET WITH SEVERAL OF YOU HERE IN YOUR OFFICE. SEVERAL OF YOU IN OUR ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN, MERRELL BROTHERS IS JUST KIND OF AN INTERMEDIARY HERE, WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING STUFF BACK AND FORTH. IT'S NOTHING ON THEM. I JUST THINK WITH, IN LIGHT OF WHAT IS TRANSPIRING, WE SHOULD CONSIDER A ONE-YEAR TERM AT THE $106, I BELIEVE, IN SOME SENSE, AND LOOK AT THAT WHEN IT COMES UP FOR RENEWAL FOR THE SECOND OF THE, I GUESS, THREE ONE-YEAR TERMS, LOOK AT THE COST OF IT THEN. THINGS MAY CHANGE. MAYBE THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, AND THE RATE GOES DOWN. I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT I THINK IN, AGAIN, IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S GOING ON CURRENTLY, I JUST, I DON'T BELIEVE SIGNING UP FOR THREE MORE YEARS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M BLAKE MERRILL WITH MERRILL BROTHERS. I JUST LIKE TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE SHOULD THERE BE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> HELLO. CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES. FUNNY HOW THIS COMES UP NOW, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE WENT THROUGH KIND OF A SAME SITUATION FOR A FEW HOURS CALLED THE COMP PLAN, OKAY? SO, AND NOW IT'S BIOSOLIDS. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, THIS COUNTY'S GOING THROUGH, BIOSOLIDS OR THE COMP PLAN? >> JUDY SPIEGEL, 101 CREAM WILLOW LANE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF, WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE IF WE JUST DO A ONE-YEAR? ARE WE GOING TO GET A, IF EVERYTHING GOES, WILL THE NEXT YEAR BE HIGHER? DO WE GET A BENEFIT OF LOCKING IN A PRICE THAT WE CAN CANCEL THE CONTRACT IF THINGS AREN'T WORKING OUT? SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER -- OH, YUP. >> AND SLAVEN. ON INDIAN HEAD, [04:20:07] AND THE STINK AND THE SMELL AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, HAS ANYONE FROM THE COUNTY STAFF OR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR ANY OF THE RESIDENTS CONTACTED THE NATIONAL RESPONS SERVE? BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO BRAG ON THEM FOR A MINUTE. BACK WHEN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DUMPED A LANDFILL IN THE LAKE, I CONTACTED A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS A FORMER CLIENT OF EPA REGION FOUR, BRIAN LEE HOLDSCLAW. AND HE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT RATHER THAN CALL DEP, WHICH STANDS FOR DON'T EXPECT DETECTION, OR EPA, WHICH IS PRETTY CRUMMY THESE DAYS, BRIAN LEE HOLDSCLAW, WHO WAS MY CLIENT ON A CASE IN THE SIXTH CIRCUIT AGAINST EPA, BRIAN SAID PEOPLE NEED TO CONTACT THE NATIONAL RESPONSE CENTER. IT'S GOT AN 800 NUMBER, AND IT'S RUN BY PEOPLE FROM THE COAST GUARD. BUT IT'S 15 FEDERAL AGENCIES. AND IF Y'ALL PICK UP THE PHONE, CALL THE NATIONAL RESPONSE CENTER, DON'T HANG UP UNTIL THEY GIVE YOU A SEVEN DIGIT CASE CODE NUMBER. AND IT'S A MIRACLE. THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LANDFILL IN THE LAKE. BECAUSE IF WE HAD CALLED DEP, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING. BUT BECAUSE THEY TRIGGER AUTOMATICALLY WHEN YOU CALL THE NATIONAL RESPONSE CENTER, AND IT'S 24/7, YOU CALL THEM UP, AND THEY WILL FIND IT OUT TO THE PERTINENT FEDERAL AGENCIES AND STATE AGENCIES. AND IT'S GOT A NUMBER, AND YOU CAN TRACE THE CONCERN AND WHAT HAPPENS, AND IT'S A WAY TO GET ACTION. AND , WELL, ONE TIME WHEN JOHN PATRICK REGAN PE, WHO WAS HERE TONIGHT, WAS THE CITY MANAGER, OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT A SITUATION WITH THE CITY SEWAGE PLANT THINKING. AND JOHN WAS RIGHT ANGRY THAT WE DID THAT. BUT IT MADE THEM CLEAN IT UP, BECAUSE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY SMELLED SOMETHING , I TOLD PEOPLE, JUST, JUST CALL THE NATIONAL RESPONSE CENTER. AND YOU TALK TO A YOUNG COAST GUARD PERSON, A PETTY OFFICER. I ALWAYS SAY, YOU'RE A CHIEF PETTY OFFICER, RIGHT? OR, NO, IT JUST A PETTY OFFICER. SOMEBODY IN THEIR 20S OR 30S, A COAST GUARD PERSON IN D.C. AND THEY WILL TAKE YOUR CALL, THEY'LL TAKE YOUR COMPLAINT, AND THEY WILL TRIGGER ACTION. IT'LL GO OUT IMMEDIATELY. IT'S 24/7 HOTLINE, THE NATIONAL RESPONSE CENTER OF THE COAST GUARD. IT 15 FEDERAL AGENCIES, STATE AGENCIES, AND IT'S A WAY THAT EPA TELLS ME YOU GET ACTION. RATHER THAN CALLING SOME PERSON AT DEP OR EPA WHO MIGHT NOT EVEN ANSWER THEIR PHONE, YOU GET THE NATIONAL RESPONSE CENTER, AND I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE NEIGHBORS AND STAFF, IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT, NEED TO DO IT TONIGHT. AND, BUT IT, IT WORKS. IT REALLY DOES. I MEAN, AND IF YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE REPORTS, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY DO, WHICH IS JUST AMAZING. AND THE GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR US, HOPEFULLY. THANK YOU. >> SUZANNE CUYLER, 109 LAURELWOOD WAY. ISN'T THE ISSUE AT HAND RATHER WE'RE GOING TO SIGN A CONTRACT TO MOVE BIOSOLIDS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER? WE'VE GOT BIOSOLIDS. WE'VE GOT TO GET THEM SOMEWHERE. AND WHETHER INDIAN HEAD'S GOING TO TAKE THEM, OR WE FIND SOMEBODY ELSE, WE NEED A HAULER TO TAKE BIOSOLIDS. AND MY EXPERIENCE IS, GRAB THE THREE-YEAR WHILE YOU CAN GET IT, AS THE PRICE IS ONLY GOING TO GO UP. AND WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE BIOSOLIDS. SO PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THIS. WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THE STENCH AT INDIAN HEAD AT ANOTHER TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? >> OKAY, WE'RE BACK. THAT, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. ARE WE LOOKING IN THIS PRICE FOR THREE YEARS? SO WE'RE GETTING, SO WE'RE GETTING A DEAL BECAUSE WE'RE EXTENDING THE CONTRACT THREE YEARS INSTEAD OF ONE. >> CORRECT, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PRICE INDEX FOR THE -- COST. >> OKAY. >> BUT WE DO HAVE THE FLEX ABILITY TO CANCEL IF WE NEED TO? >> YES. THERE'S A TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE CLAUSE INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT, IN ADDITION TO THE COMPONENT OF THE THREE-YEAR TERM FOR LOCKING IN THE UNIT PRICE. IT ALSO LOCKS IN THE CAPACITY. BECAUSE POTENTIALLY, TO PUT US AT RISK IF WE DO NOT RENEW IF WE DO A ONE-YEAR TERM. THEY COULD HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE BRING IN THAT CAPACITY, TAKE UP THAT CAPACITY, AND THEN WE LOSE OUT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? THAT -- [04:25:05] >> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. >> PLEASE DO. >> HAPPY TO. OKAY. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025--- >> 179. >> AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR WITH MERRELL BROS. INC. UNDER MASTER CONTRACT NUMBER 23-GSA-MER-18029 FOR BIOSOLIDS HAULING, WHICH EXERCISES THREE ONE-YEAR RENEWALS AT THE REVISED UNIT PRICE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? IN ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. [Commissioners’ Reports ] >> AND OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES 4-0. MOVES US INTO COMMISSIONERS REPORTS. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. PLEASE DON'T SHOOT, I GOT SOME WORK TO DO WHICH STARTS WITH INDIAN HEAD. MISSES ANDREWS, WE DISCUSSED STOPPING THE STINK. THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED . WHERE ARE WE WITH THOSE SOLUTIONS? I KNOW I'M SPRINGING THIS ON YOU AFTER I JUST TOOK ISSUE WITH SOMEBODY SPRINGING SOMETHING ON ME, SO. >> -- >> BUT I, BUT I AM INTERESTED -- WE, THIS IS AN URGENT SITUATION TO THE RESIDENTS , SO WHERE ARE WE? >> ABSOLUTELY, AND ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR EARLIER ASKED ABOUT A UPDATE TOO, SO I WAS PLANNING TO TO PROVIDE UPDATE AS WELL. IN MY REPORT. SO I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. YOU KNOW, JUST AS A REMINDER, WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE, THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF INDIAN HEAD WAS TO OFFER SOLUTIONS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL TO OUR RESIDENTS, AND ALSO HOST A COMMUNITY MEETING. WE'RE STILL IN WORKING OF MAKING THAT HAPPEN. JUST AS A REMINDER, THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED, AND THEY AGREED TO, WAS TO LOOKING AT A WAY OF EXTENDING THE FOOTPRINT WITHOUT INCREASING THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL THAT IT CAN INTAKE. SO THAT IT CAN CREATE A SMALLER LOWER PILES, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM FOR ADDING ON LAYERS OF VEGETATED COVER WHERE THAT ODOR CAN POTENTIALLY BE CONTROLLED. SO THAT'S ONE MEASURE THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. THE OTHER ONE IS A RETREAT PLANT WHERE, THAT THEY WILL HAVE A REZONING HAPPENING WHERE THAT THE BIOSOLIDS COMPOSTING MATERIAL CAN BE REMOVED FURTHER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. YOU KNOW, WITH, WITHOUT SHUTTING THE WHOLE OPERATION DOWN. THIRDLY IS TO REDIRECT THE TRAFFIC OF THE DOORS, THE GATES, WHERE THAT THEY CAN DELINEATE THEIR, THEIR TRANSPORTING OF MATERIAL AND, AND DIFFERENTIATING FROM THE COMPOSTING BUSINESS TO THEIR AG USE IN THE BACK OF THE AREA. BUT WE ARE , IN WORKING, HELPING THEM TO FACILITATE COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS CAN SHOW UP, AND THEY CAN DISCUSS THE PROPOSED MEASURES AND GIVE FEEDBACK. AND DURING MY CONVERSATION, MR. JOE WILLIAMS AND HEATHER WERE VERY OPEN TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND TAKE FEEDBACK. ON THE REGULATORY SIDE OF IT, WE ARE WAITING FOR THE STUDY THAT IS BEING CONDUCTED I DEP. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED YET, BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE TO BE FINALIZED. I THINK ANY ACTION THAT CAN BE TAKEN LEGALLY BY DEP WOULD HAVE TO BE BASED ON THAT STUDY. SO AT THIS POINT, THERE IS NO UPDATE FROM THE STUDY. >> MS. ANDREWS, I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED THAT THERE ARE TOXINS THAT MAY HAVE LEAKED INTO THE SOIL, MAY HAVE CONTAMINATED SOIL OR WATER. CAN WE ASK THAT OUR FRIENDS OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH OR SOME OTHER AGENCY TO TEST THAT TO ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF MORGAN'S COVE ARE NOT BEING EXPOSED TO TOXINS? >> ABSOLUTELY. AND I'LL WORK WITH RICHARD AND HIS OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK TO REDIRECT THIS REQUEST TO AN APPROPRIATE AGENCY IN THE STATE WHO DOES REGULATE THE TOXINS IN THE SOIL. >> DO WE NEED ANY MORE CONSENSUS FOR THAT, OR CAN WE JUST DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO? >> WE'LL DO IT. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE US SOME DIRECTION -- >> CAN WE GET MORE CONSENSUS TO TEST THE SOIL? IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT UNINTENTIONALLY OKAY. THANK YOU, MS. ANDREWS. THAT'S ONE. MOVING ALONG, WANT TO THANK MS. ANDREWS FOR THE MOST TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATORS BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT I'VE EVER SEEN, AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT THESE WERE NEVER RECORDED, NEVER STREAMED PRIOR TO MS. ANDREWS TAKING THE REINS AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MY GUESS IS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST TRANSPARENT THE ADMINISTRATORS BUDGET WORKSHOP IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTY'S GOVERNMENT. THERE REALLY IS NO EXCUSE FOR ANYBODY NOT TO KNOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET. EVERY DEPARTMENT CAME BEFORE MS. ANDREWS AND WENT LINE BY LINE, EVERY FTE, EVERY VEHICLE, EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT THE COUNTY WILL NEED. SO UNLESS YOU JUST DON'T [04:30:05] WATCH IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL WHAT WAS PROPOSED, THEN, THEN THERE'S REALLY NO EXCUSE FOR YOU NOT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THE COUNTY'S BUDGET. THANK YOU, MS. ANDREWS, FOR MAKING THE WORKSHOP AS TRANSPARENT AS IT HAS BECOME. I'M VERY GRATEFUL, AS BOTH A COMMISSIONER AND RESIDENT. IS GOING TO BE VERY JOY CENTRIC, SO EVERYBODY PROBABLY SAW ON THE NEWS THAT MS. ANDREWS APPLIED TO PALM BEACH COUNTY TO BE THEIR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THAT BECAME A SITUATION THAT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU, MS. ANDREWS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. I ACTUALLY WAS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT ALSO AS PART OF MY REPORT, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I OWE IT TO THE BOARD AND OUR STAFF AND THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YES, IT IS ACCURATE THAT I DID APPLY FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION IN PALM BEACH COUNTY ON APRIL 23RD. THAT WAS PROBABLY FIVE DAYS PRIOR TO CLOSING OF THE APPLICATION ACCEPTANCE. SUBSEQUENTLY, THE PALM BEACH POST WROTE AN ARTICLE REPORTING THE APPLICATION PROCESS DECIDED FOUR CANDIDATES, AND I WAS ONE OF THEM, AND THAT HAPPENED ON THE SIXTH OF MAY. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THIS. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 19 YEARS. I STARTED WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN 2005. AT AN ENTRY LEVEL, IN BUDGET OFFICE. I WORKED ALMOST IN EVERY AREA OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICES. I HAVE NEVER INTENDED TO LEAVE. I REALLY ENJOY SERVING THIS COMMUNITY THAT I NOW CALL HOME. I ENJOY LEARNING ABOUT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND CALLED IN MY FAMILY NOW. I HAVE MY BOYS WHO ARE EIGHT AND 11 WHO WERE BORN HERE AND RAISED HERE, AND NEVER WANT TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE. MY 11-YEAR-OLD ACTUALLY ASKED ME, MOM, DO WE HAVE TO MOVE SCHOOL IF WE MOVE? AND I SAID, YES, THAT WOULD BE TOO FAR FOR ME TO DRIVE YOU BACK TO LIBERTY, SO I'M SORRY. IF WE MOVE, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO GO TO A NEW SCHOOL. AND HE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING. WE'RE HERE. THAT BROKE MY HEART, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, I CAN SAY THE TWO REASONS WHY I CONSIDERED TO APPLY FOR THIS JOB. NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LOVE THE COUNTY THAT I LIVE AND I CALL HOME. IT'S BECAUSE I THINK SINCE JANUARY, AND THIS IS REALLY THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, THERE IS NO DOUBT AT THE BEGINNING FROM THE VOTE OF, VOTE OF NO-CONFIDENCE AND THE SUBSEQUENT ACTIONS THAT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME FELT VERY PERSONAL, AND THEY FELT NOTHING BUT PERSONAL ATTACKS, AND IT CREATED CONCERN FOR THE VIABILITY OF THIS JOB AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THIS, THIS JOB THAT I LOVE SO MUCH. I DON'T THINK IT'S A SECRET THAT I'M A SINGLE MOTHER. I HAVE TWO BOYS THAT I ONLY CAREGIVER, AND I PROVIDE FOR THEM, AND THEY, THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE JOB, AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE BUT ME TO PROVIDE FOR THEM. SO THAT'S REALLY THE GREAT CONSIDERATION AT THE TIME, AND I WAS CAUGHT IN THE MOMENT OF WEAKNESS. WHEN THE NEWS WAS COVERED OF THE, THE STORY, SORT OF PREMATURELY, IN MY OPINION, STAFF CAUGHT WIND OF THE STORY AND CAME TO ME ONE BY ONE WITH A GREAT LEVEL OF ANXIETY OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I FELT THAT IT'S TIME FOR REFLECTION FROM ME. SO I REALLY THOUGHT DEEPLY. THREE DAYS LATER, I WITHDREW MY APPLICATION, BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING I WANTED TO DO. I'M COMMITTED TO THIS COUNTY, TO THIS COMMUNITY, TO THE RESIDENTS. I'M COMMITTED TO OUR STAFF. I'M GOING TO BE HERE FOR US AS LONG AS I CAN BE. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I HAVE A TERM THAT IS GOING TO LAST FOR TWO YEARS. I DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE OF THIS JOB, BUT I'M WILLING TO STAY FOR AS LONG AS I CAN TO SUPPORT THEM AND TO SUPPORT THIS COUNTY. WE HAVE GONE A LONG WAY. TO GO THROUGH TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, TO BRING ON THIS BOND PROGRAM, WE HAVE CREATED, TOGETHER WITH THE STAFF, GREAT MOMENTUM , REGARDLESS OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE HEARD EARLIER. WE ARE PROUD OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND I'M GOING TO SEE THROUGH THE BEST I CAN. SO THAT'S REALLY IT. THAT'S MY STORY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. ANDREWS. I ONLY WANTED TO GET HER REMARKS BECAUSE I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT HER APPLYING TO PALM BEACH COUNTY , AND INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RUB US INTO A DISCUSSION AT 10:00 AT NIGHT WHERE EVERYBODY'S TIRED AND JUST WANTS TO GO HOME, AND IT WAS NOT [04:35:03] PUBLICLY NOTICED, I'M, I'M PROPOSING, I HOPE I CAN GET MORE CONSENSUS, TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON JUNE THE THIRD TO DISCUSS THE TERMS OF JOY'S CONTRACT AND DISCUSS THE APPLICATION TO PALM BEACH COUNTY, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY. SO WE'RE NOT DOING IT AT 10:00 AT NIGHT WHEN EVERYBODY'S GONE HOME. YOU HAVE A PUBLICLY NOTICED AGENDA ITEM AND INVITE THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A TRANSPARENT DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT ITEM. SO HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE CONSENSUS. YES? YES? FOR AN AGENDA ITEM. SO YES, WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR AN AGENDA ITEM FOR JUNE 3RD. WHEREVER THE STAFF AND KRISTA JOSEPH SEES FIT. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE CARE OF KIND OF A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING. WE NEED TO OPT OUT OF THE TAX EXEMPTION THAT IS ALLOWABLE UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID LAST YEAR. BUT IT GIVES A TAX BREAK FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT ARE BETWEEN 80% AND 120% OF AMI, WHICH IS BASICALLY CLOSE TO OR RIGHT AT MARKET RATE HOUSING. WE SHOULD NOT BE GIVING TAX BREAKS FOR BUILDING MARKET RATE HOUSING. CAN WE GET CONSENSUS ON THAT, TO OPT OUT OF THAT TAX BREAK? MS. WEST? >> THAT'S FINE. I WANT TO CLARIFY, THOUGH, THAT IS NOT JUST FOR LIVE LOCAL PRODUCTS. IT'S FOR ANY MULTIFAMILY. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE PROJECTS IN SHAREHOLDER, NOCATEE THAT HAVE AVAILED THEMSELVES OF THAT PROVISION AS WELL. >> I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION. I'M GETTING A LITTLE LOOPY. IT IS, IT IS LATE. ALSO, JUST A, JUST A HERE BRAIN OF A THOUGHT, WE HAVE A JULY 15TH MEETING COMING OUT OF OUR SUMMER BREAK . AGAIN, JUST CONSIDERING STAFF, THOSE WITH FAMILY, IF WE CAN MOVE THAT MEETING TO JULY 22ND. IT PUTS US IN THE POSTURE OF GETTING BACK ON THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS SCHEDULE. IT GIVES PEOPLE A CHANCE TO HAVE A LONGER EXTENDED SUMMER BREAK, SO I JUST WANT TO GET THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION FOR THE JULY 15TH MEETING MOVING TO JULY 22ND. JUST IN THE INTEREST OF GIVING PEOPLE A LONGER SUMMER BREAK. BUT IT WOULD NOT TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE AGENDA. OBVIOUSLY THE ENTIRE ITEMS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HURT ON THE 15TH WILL BE THEN HEARD ON THE 27TH. ANY THOUGHTS? >> WELL, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MISS ANYTHING ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR, FOR PAYING THE BILLS, RIGHT? IF WE DO THAT, WE WON'T, WE WON'T MISS OUR BILL PAYMENTS? OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM . >> OKAY. WELL, THIS, THIS JULY MEETING KIND OF CAME SOONER THAN MOST JULY MEETINGS COME, SO I THOUGHT WE COULD OFFER PEOPLE A CHANCE TO EXTEND THEIR SUMMER. >> THAT'S FINE. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> THAT SHOULD WORK. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT. SO JULY 15TH WILL BE MOVED TO JULY 22ND. SAME AGENDA, SAME ITEMS, NOTHINGS GOING TO CHANGE. AND THE LAST THING IS, MEMORIAL DAY SERVICE HOSTED BY THE VETERANS COUNCIL AT THE SAINT AUGUSTINE NATIONAL CEMETERY. IT'S A GREAT EVENT. IT'S WHAT MEMORIAL DAY IS ALL ABOUT. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND EACH AND EVERY PERSON WITHIN THE SOUND OF MY VOICE SHOW UP ON HER OUR FALLEN VETERANS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO STOOD UP FOR GUANA OVER THE LAST VERY LONG FIVE DAYS, SIX DAYS. MY HEARTFELT GRATITUDE TO AUDUBON FLORIDA, FLORIDA WILDLIFE FEDERATION, ALL OF OUR FEDERAL AND STATE LEGISLATORS THAT CAME OUT TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST IT. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, I WANT TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO STACY STRUNK, A FELLOW AFFORDABLE TO DO IT, SO GO BULLDOGS. BUT FROM ANASTASIA STATE PARK FOR ORGANIZING AN IMPRESSIVE PROTEST ON SATURDAY. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I WANT TO THANK HER FOR ORGANIZING AN OVERWHELMING WAVE OF GRASSROOTS OPPOSITION. WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT YOU, SO BRAVO. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> IN SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND YES, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY AND THOSE THAT ARE EVEN STILL HERE. IT'S WONDERFUL . WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING AN EVENING MEETING FOR SO LONG, AND, LIKE I SAID, I'VE HEARD FROM SO MANY PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO COME. A FEW THINGS. THE E-BIKE ORDINANCE. I KNOW I WAS HOPING TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT. WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE A DRAFT OF THAT THIS EVENING, AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, SO I WOULD LOVE A COMMITMENT FROM RICH THAT WE COULD HAVE A DRAFT PRESENTED AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE JUNE 3RD. >> RIGHT. SO WE'RE INCORPORATING ALL THE CHANGES THAT CAME FROM THE COMMISSION, AS WELL AS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT. >> OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. ALSO, I DID WANT TO SHARE JUST A LITTLE BIT REGARDING THE SENATE BILL 180. I'M HOPING TO GET CONSENSUS ON THIS, AND JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS SENATE BILL 180 STARTED AS AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BILL, BUT A LAST-MINUTE AMENDMENT ADDED SOME NASTY LANGUAGE TO IT. SO IF SIGNED INTO LAW, SB 180 WOULD PROHIBIT CITIES AND COUNTIES FROM ADOPTING CHANGES TO THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES THAT THE STATE DEEMS MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR. SO, IF SIGNED, THIS [04:40:01] BILL WILL SERIOUSLY UNDERMINE THE ABILITY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO RESPOND TO STORM EVENTS TO MAKE THEIR COMMUNITIES MORE RESILIENT, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS A SISTER BILL TO HB 943, WHICH IS TIED TO LIVE LOCAL. SO I WOULD LOVE CONSENSUS REGARDING PUTTING A LETTER TOGETHER TO DESANTIS TO VETO THIS. >> I WOULD PERSONALLY NEED TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THIS. IT'S, IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE SESSION PROCESS, IT HAD MULTIPLE VOTES, IT'S GONE FOR MULTIPLE COMMITTEES. I JUST WANT TO, AGAIN, MAKE SURE, IF WE ARE TAKING A VOTE, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M VOTING ON, AND SO THAT, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I NEED MORE TIME TO RESEARCH. >> I'M WAITING ON YOU. >> I KNOW. YEAH, I MEAN, I, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. WE SENT THE GOVERNOR A LETTER. I'M KIND OF, I'M KIND OF WITH YOU, BUT I'M NOT ALL THE WAY WITH YOU. I WOULD WANT TO READ THE BILL FIRST. I MAY BE IN A POSTURE TO SUPPORT YOU ON JUNE THE THIRD, I JUST CAN'T DO IT RIGHT AT THIS 1 MOMENT. BUT I KIND OF, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I'M JUST NOT SURE I'M READY TO VOTE FOR IT YET. >> QUESTION. KATIE, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO, TO REVISIT THIS, JUST THIS ONE CONSENSUS ITEM BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? >> I, I'D LOVE A CHANCE TO READ THE BILL TOO, BUT I, BUT I, BUT I, I KIND OF, KIND OF AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I -- IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO REVISIT THIS WITHOUT A NOTICED MEETING? >> NO. >> OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO MAYBE BY JUNE 3RD , MAYBE ANYBODY WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO, TO HAVE THAT? OKAY. >> SURE WE CAN DISTRIBUTE THE, THE FINAL VERSION OF THE BILL TO EACH OF YOU, EMAIL TO YOU SO YOU CAN ALL REVIEW IT. >> SO WE'LL BE READY. >> I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, HAD GOOD INTENTIONS, AND IT WAS JUST THIS AMENDMENT THAT WAS ADDED IN AT THE LAST MINUTE, AND THAT'S WHAT IS CAUSING A BIG CONCERN. AND ONCE AGAIN, THEY ARE TIRING OR HAND SO MUCH THAT AS SOON AS I HEAR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO TIE OUR HANDS AND TAKING AWAY LOCAL CONTROL, IT'S JUST VERY, VERY CONCERNING TO ME, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. LET'S SEE. I, OH, I DID WANT TO SEND OUT A HUGE CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE GRADUATES. I KNOW THAT THIS IS A BIG, BIG WEEK FOR GRADUATION. MY SON JUST GRADUATED ON SATURDAY FROM NICE, BUT, SO I KNOW WE GOT A LOT OF GRADUATIONS AND THAT. AGAIN, A HUGE, HUGE THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP FOR GUANA. THAT WAS A HUGE WONDERFUL WIN. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE ALREADY HEARING TALKS ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT, SO WE CANNOT REST ON OUR LAURELS. I TALKED TO RICH ABOUT THIS. I KNOW WE DID HAVE A RESOLUTION IN PLACE, BUT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGING BY TOMORROW MORNING, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW GOING FORWARD, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO AS A BOARD, OR MAYBE YOU COULD GUIDE US, JUST SO THAT THERE IS A RESOLUTION IN PLACE THAT WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT LAND AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WHEN THEY COME UP WITH ANOTHER IDEA, WHICH WE KNOW IS PROBABLY AROUND THE CORNER, THAT AS A BOARD, ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOES NOT SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PROPERTY? >> I THINK THAT MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED LOUD AND CLEAR. ANYTIME YOU HAVE A CONSERVATION LAND, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF IT BEING CONSERVATION LANDS THAT IT WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED. SO AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU JUST HAVE TO, LIKE THIS, REMAIN VIGILANT AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT PROPOSALS ARE GOING THROUGH. I MEAN, IF YOU PUT, I MEAN, YOU COULD, I GUESS, PASSED A RESOLUTION RELATED TO THE PROPERTY THAT WAS IN DISCUSSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, NEXT TIME, IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I DON'T KNOW. >> OKAY. I THINK I WAS JUST REFERRING TO THE 104 ACRES THAT EVERYBODY WAS SO CONCERNED WITH, SO THE SAME, THE SAME PEERS. >> IT'S AT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EFFECT IT WOULD HAVE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO WE WOULD DELIVER IT TO, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE PLAYERS WOULD BE AT THAT TIME. >> THE 104 IS THE OUTPOST LAND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THIS CONTIGUOUS TO THE PARK. YEAH, THAT'S PART, THAT'S, THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WAIT -- WHAT, WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REP KENDALL BROUGHT UP TODAY, IS THAT SHE'S GOING TO TRY TO PUSH TO SEE IF THE STATE COULD BUY THAT 104 ACRES FROM THE, AND I WOULD, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO SOMETHING, AS A BOARD, TO HELP THAT ALONG, BUT WE CERTAINLY NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT IN CASE SOMETHING COMES UP AND THE STATE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT, THEN WE WOULD LET THE STATE KNOW THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THE, THE, THE NOTION OF BUYING, BUYING, PURCHASING THAT, IF IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, IF WE CAN GET IT. SO. >> AND I'M CONFIDENT REP KENDALL WOULD LET YOU KNOW IF THAT, IF SHE WAS ABLE TO GET THE APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST IN, AND WOULD SEEK YOUR SUPPORT. >> OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. >> THAT WE STILL HAVE CONTACT WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? OKAY. [04:45:02] THAT'S FINE. I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE MOVED ON. I'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT 45 THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, SO BUCKLE UP. NO, I'M JUST TEASING. JUST ONE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SET A MEETING AS SOON AS WE CAN TO DISCUSS THE COMP PLAN. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THIS COUNTY THAT CAN SIT DOWN AROUND THE TABLE WITH, WITH US AND TRY TO COME TO, TRY TO WORK THIS OUT, EVEN IF IT'S LINE BY LINE, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET SOMETHING DONE. WE NEED TO DO IT QUICKLY. SO. >> S, COMMISSIONER. YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION. SO PZA IS GOING TO HEAR THE REVISED VERSION BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSIONERS, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE THE VERSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO START FROM. PZA IS GOING TO PROVIDE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND POTENTIALLY SOME REVISIONS FROM THAT MEETING, SO NOW WE HAVE, POTENTIALLY, A JULY MEETING ON THE 22ND OF JULY IN BETWEEN THE THIRD OF JUNE AND SECOND OF ON THE 22ND OF JULY MEETING. IT IS ENTIRELY THE BOARD'S DECISION IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP IN BETWEEN TO GO THROUGH THAT LINE BY LINE WITHOUT TAKING UP ANOTHER BOARD MEETING TO, TO LOOK AT THE REDLINE. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE DONE AFTER YOU SEE -- >> AFTER PZA. OKAY. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS, THEN, ABOUT HAVING A MEETING RIGHT AFTER THE PZA SO THAT WE CAN SIT DOWN AND PUT THE WORK IN TO GET THIS THING DONE LINE BY LINE AND SIT DOWN AROUND THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, PULL THE LIGHTS DOWN REAL LOW WITH SOME CIGARETTE SMOKE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YEAH. REALLY, REALLY WORK IT. CAN I, CAN -- YES. >> YOUR NEXT BCC MEETING IS JUNE 3RD, AND SO WE COULD COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDED DATES AT THAT TIME IF YOU WANT. >> YEAH. WE CAN COORDINATE A DATE AS AN OPTION. >> OKAY, BECAUSE I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO -- WE NEED TO PUT IN THE WORK. WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE, AND WE NEED TO, THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO, TO, TO LET [County Administrator’s Report ] THIS FALL. SO, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. MS. ANDREWS? >> YES, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MURPHY. I, I, ACTUALLY, I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AS WELL. I WANTED TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO OUR STAFF. WE WENT THROUGH A WHOPPING 26 SESSIONS OF BUDGET DIALOGUE, AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE 26 SESSIONS WHERE PUBLIC COMMUNITY PARTNERS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM CAME IN WITH THOROUGH PREPARATION WITH THEIR VERY DEEP EXPERTISE, AND HEARTS, AND THEIR VERY LABOR IS CONSIDERATION ON HOW THEY CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WITHOUT INCREASING THE BURDEN ON OUR TAXPAYERS. WE HAVE 26 EPISODES ON OUR WEBSITE. NOT ONLY THEY WERE AIRED LIVE, THEY WERE ALSO RE-WATCHABLE, SO I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY PARTICULAR INTEREST IN A SESSION CAN GO BACK AND REWATCH. BUT AGAIN, I WANTED TO THANK ALL THE DIRECTORS, OUR PUBLIC COMMUNITY PARTNERS. THEY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THAT CONVERSATION, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THAT HAS BEEN, ACTUALLY, THE MOST MEANINGFUL AND NON-FOR MELODY DISCUSSION WE HAVE EVER HAD FOR THE 19 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. SO I'M SUPER GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION DURING THIS TIME. SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR D.C. LEGISLATIVE TRIP. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, I KNOW SHE'S NOT ON AT THIS MOMENT, BUT SHE DID REQUEST A AFTER ACTION REPORT, WHICH WE PROVIDED LAST NIGHT. I JUST WANT TO VERY QUICKLY ALSO THANK STAFF, JESSE, DON, BOB RILEY, AND ADAM PICKLER, WHO TOOK THEIR TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY, AWAY FROM SWIM MEET, AWAY FROM ADAMS, YOU KNOW, RECOVERING MOTHER, AND I THINK MY SISTER, WHO WAS ABLE TO TAKE MY KID, TO GO TO THEIR FIRST BAND CONCERT, THAT ALLOWED US TO DO THE WORK THAT WE DO TO ADVANCE THE BOARD'S PRIORITIES AND TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, AND HOPEFULLY, COMING UP, A GOOD STRATEGY ON HOW WE CAN BRING FEDERAL DOLLARS TO, TO ADVANCE OUR TRANSPORTATION -- PROJECT THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE SECRETARY OF, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THE TRANSPORTATION WHITE HOUSE LIAISON, AS WELL AS CONGRESSMEN PETRONAS, WHO IS ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, IS REALLY THE STATE ROW 16, AND WE DISCUSSED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTE OF THAT ROAD FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND ECONOMIC PROSPERTY AROUND 16. WE THINK THAT WE HAD A LOT [04:50:04] OF CHECKBOXES, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A VERY FRUITFUL TRIP. STAFF, MYSELF AND STAFF ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR LOBBYISTS AND OUR DELEGATION TO, TO FIND THE RIGHT STRATEGY TO BRING THAT DOLLAR TO MATCH STATE DOLLARS TO FINISH AND EXPAND TO 16. WE DID ALSO TALK ABOUT ALL THE PRIORITIES THAT BOARD HAD DISCUSSED, INFRASTRUCTURE, COASTAL PROTECTION, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AND I'LL JUST CLOSE BY SAYING THIS. CONGRESSMAN FINE SAID THAT YOU'RE THE SMALLEST COUNTY IN MY DISTRICT. YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE CAME. AND ACTUALLY THE ONLY ONE CAME AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO WE WERE VERY THANKFUL THAT HE WAS VERY RECEPTIVE OUR VISIT. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> OH, YES, EXCUSE ME. I, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, I THINK, HAD ASKED ABOUT THE TIMING OF TREE ORDINANCE. IF COMMISSIONER MURPHY'S OKAY WITH YOU, WE'LL WRING A QUICK UPDATE? >> YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MS. ANDREWS. IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE WORK WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THE TREE ORDINANCE BACK INTO THE JUNE TIMEFRAME, MAYBE THE FIRST OR THE SECOND MEETING. I THINK GIVEN WHAT WORK WE HAVE CUT OUT FOR US WITH THAT, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK IN THE AUGUST TIME FRAME. WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS THERE , JUST TO GET THROUGH THIS. THERE IS NO TIME LIMIT IN THE TREE ORDINANCE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT THERE'S NO STATE TIMELINE DRIVING THAT. SO IT'S THERE WAITING FOR US. WE'RE DOING WORK ON IT. I THINK WE'RE MOSTLY THERE, BUT IT'S JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR THAT PROCESS TO THE COMP PLAN PROCESS, AND MY CITIZEN WOULD BE IN AUGUST, SO IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT. >> WELL, THAT IS DISAPPOINTING, BECAUSE EVERYDAY THAT'S DELAYED IS ANOTHER TREE THAT'S DESTROYED. SO I'M, I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT. >> SO LET ME FINISH, THEN. SO, THAT SAID, WE COULD COME IN JUNE, OKAY? WE COULD, IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD SO WISHES. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE THAT, JUST BECAUSE OF THAT REASON FOR THE COMP PLAN, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY THERE AND WE BASICALLY HAVE THE TREE ORDINANCE, OR AT LEAST SOME IDEAS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. THAT'S IT. SO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, RIGHT? I'M HERE. [County Attorney’s Report ] >> OKAY. >> JUST LET ME KNOW. >> YEAH, BRING IT TO US IN JUNE. >> GOT IT. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YOU GOOD WITH THAT? >> YES. THE SOONER THE BETTER. THE SOONER THE BETTER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. >> MS. ANDREWS? MR. KOMANDO? >> ONLY BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT WRITING A LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR IN OPPOSITION OF CERTAIN LEGISLATIVE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPTION, INDIVIDUALLY, YOU CAN WRITE A LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR AS WELL. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO IT AS A FORMAL BOARD. JUST REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU WRITE THE LETTER, YOU EXPRESS THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOUR DISTRICT, NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, UNLESS YOU COME BACK AND YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION AMONGST YOURSELVES. THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE END OF JUNE, SO BASED ON YOUR NEXT MEETING, YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS, AGAIN, REGARDLESS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR. >> THANK YOU SO MU * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.