[Call to Order by Chair ]
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TO THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
THERE ARE MATERIALS FOR THE MEETING AVAILABLE UNDER AGENDAS AND MINUTES.
ONCE YOU FIND THE MEETING AGENDA YOU CAN CLICK ON THE ITEM TO ACCESS ALL OF THE SUPPORTING MATERIAL.
THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON ANY ITEM DURING PUBLIC COMENT AND IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
>> COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST.
>> WE WILL HAVE AN INVOCATION FROM FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN ST. AUGUSTINE.
>> LET'S PRAY. GRACIOUS AND ETERNAL GOD WE PAUSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE AND TO SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE.
THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF THE DAY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTY. GOD, WE COME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BACKGROUNDS AND EXPERIENCES AND PERSPECTIVES, BUT WE ARE UNITED BY A COMMON PURPOSE TO LEAD WITH INTEGRITY AND TO WORK FOR THE WELL- BEING OF ALL WHO CALL THIS COMMUNITY HOME.
IN A WORLD OFTEN DIVIDED REMINDS US OF THE POWER OF UNITY, COOPERATION AND MUTUAL RESPECT. GOD GRANT US WISDOM TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE JUSTICE AND COMPASSIONATE, TO SPEAK TRUTH WITH GRACE AND LISTEN WITH HUMILITY. MAY OUR ACTIONS REFLECT THE TRUST PLACED IN US BY THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE.
GOD BLESS THIS MEETING. BLESS ALL WHO LABOR FOR THE COMMON GOOD, THOSE WHO SERVE, THOSE IN NEED AND THOSE WHO QUIETLY CARE FOR OTHERS EACH AND EVERY DAY. GOD, IN YOUR HOLY NAME WE PRAY.
AMEN. >> NOW I AM PROUD TO HAVE CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR BEING HERE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[Proclamation Recognizing Gold Star Awareness ]
>> GOOD MORNING. WHEN I BECAME A COMMISSIONER, THE ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO REMEMBER IS THE GOLD STAR FAMILIES.
I HAVE WAITED FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS.
HERE IS MY DAUGHTER, ALI JOSEPH. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL JOY AND HER FAMILY UP AND ALL OF THE NAVY SEALS AND THE NAVY REPRESENTATIVES UP ALSO, AND KEN MORELAND, THE HEAD OF THE GOLD STAR PROGRAM.
>> A PROCLAMATION. WHERE AS THE TERM GOLD STAR BEGAN IN WORLD WAR I WHEN FAMILIES DISPLAYED FLAGS IN SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES WITH A GOLD STAR FOR EACH LOVED ONE LOST IN MILITARY SERVICE AND WHERE A DEBT OF GRATITUDE IS OWED TO THOSE THAT GAVE THEIR LIVES IN MILITARY SERVICE TO SECURE THE BLESSING OF LIBERTY AND WHEREAS WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LOSSES OF OUR SERVICE MEMBERS AND ENSURE THEIR FAMILIES ARE NOT FORGOTTEN AND AS DURING THE MONTH OF MAY WE CONTINUE OUR COMMITMENT TO GOLD STAR FAMILIES.
AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE MONTH OF MAY 2025 BE RECOGNIZED AS GOLD STAR AWARENESS MONTH.
CALLING UPON ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO BRING GOLD STAR AWARENESS AND HONOR THE MEMORY OF THE FALLEN AND PLEDGE
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SUPPORT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOLD STAR FAMILIES.>> I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT MENTION MY HUSBAND WHO HAS ALS AND IS AT HOME WATCHING. HE IS HERE WITH US TOO IN SPIRIT. I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE JOY.
SHE CAN TALK ABOUT HER SON. THERE IS ONE THING WE HAVE IN COMMON. THE HORRIBLE DAY WHEN YOU ARE NOTIFIED. IT IS SOMETHING I CAN'T DESCRIBE OR EXPLAIN.
I DO WANT TO REMEMBER THE SACRIFICE MY SON MADE, AND THE FAMILIES, THE WIVES, THE CHILDREN, ALL OF OUR COUNTRY. IT IS SOMETHING THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO YOUNG IN LIFE AND THEY ARE PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY. DON'T FORGET THEM.
>> HI. HOW ARE YOU? WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
TREMENDOUS SUPPORT. MAY 10TH, THREE YEARS OUR SON WAS KILLED IN ALASKA AND NOT A DAY GOES BY THAT THE MEMORIES DO NOT SURFACE. WE DO NOT FORGET HIM.
THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY WE DON'T WANT ANYONE'S CHILD TO BE FORGOTTEN.
WE ARE NOT ANYONE SPECIAL, NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER PARENT WHO LOST THEIR CHILD OR BROTHER OR SIBLING OR HUSBAND OR WIFE.
MY CHILD LOST HIS LIFE DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY.
WE KNOW EVERYBODY MEANS SOMETHING TO EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MY DAUGHTER TO COME UP. WE STARTED A NONPROFIT FOR OUR SON. THIS IS MY DAUGHTER, JENNY.
JUST TO TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT THE NONPROFIT WE STARTED AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS SPEAKING TODAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PLAYED A HUGE ROLE IN BRINGING MY BROTHER HOME. WE HAD NO IDEA WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET HIS BODY BACK TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND WE KNEW WE WANTED HIM TO TAKE ONE LAST LOOP AROUND TOWN AND YOU GUYS MADE IT HAPPEN. MAY 23RD WE BROUGHT HIM HOME.
WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO KEEP SOMETHING GOING FOR HIM.
WE STARTED THE SAY WHEN REMEMBER FOUNDATION.
WHEN DO YOU WANT TO GET TOGETHER, TODAY WHEN? WE HAD OUR FIRST FUNDRAISER LAST YEAR AND WE WERE ABLE RAISE OVER $30,000 FOR SCHOLARSHIPS FOR 2025 GRADUATING SENIORS AND THEY WERE GIVEN OUT TO STUDENTS ENTERING TRADE PROGRAMS AND FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAMS. THREE FOR FIREFIGHTERS.
WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO DO THAT. OUR NEXT FUNDRAISER WILL BE OCTOBER 4TH . AT THE FARM, LIVE AUCTIONS.
AUCTIONS ONLINE. IT IS OUR WAY OF GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> GOOD MORNING. I AM KEN MORELAND.
I HAVE OVER 600 GOLD STAR FAMILY MEMBERS.
COMMISSIONER JOSEPH IS NAVY FAMILY.
I AM HONORED TO SPEAK HERE. THEY ARE VERY VETERAN- FRIENDLY HERE. I AM GOING TO BE RETIRING. I AM 61.
I DID 21 YEARS IN THE NAVY. I WORKED IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB I HAVE EVER HAD. THESE FAMILIES ARE MY FAMILIES.
THEY ARE NAVY FAMILIES. IN MY OFFICE I HAD A SERVICE FLAG THAT WAS HANGING. IT IS A GOLD STAR SERVICE FLAG.
I HANDED OUT, IF YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET HERE EARLY. % IT HAS GOT A THING ABOUT THE PINS AND THE SERVICE FLAGS.
THE SERVICE FLAGS CAME ABOUT IN 1917- 1918 DURING WORLD WAR I.
THEY WOULD HANG BLUE STAR FLAGS IN THE WINDOW.
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YOU COULD HAVE UP TO FIVE ON THE FLAGS.WHENEVER SOMEBODY PASSED AWAY THEY WOULD ADD A GOLD STAR TO THE FLAG.
I AM GOING TO PRESENT THIS TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AS A GIFT.
ALSO I HAVE A COUPLE OF GIFTS FOR THE GOLD STAR FAMILIES WHO ARE HERE. WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I STARTED TO PUT SIGNS ON THE GOLF COURSE. IF YOU HAVE GOLFERS HERE I HAVE SIGNS OF THE FALLEN ON THE GOLF COURSES.
WE STARTED THAT FIVE YEARS AGO. NOW THEY ARE DOING IT UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST TO RECOGNIZE THE FALLEN AND BRING AWARENESS TO GOLD STAR. LAST YEAR WE STARTED A CAMPAIGN TO BRING AWARENESS TO GOLD STAR. JEEPS HAD THE DUCKS IN THE WINDSHIELD. IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT THAT IS ABOUT, DUCKS LIKE THE MUD AND WATER, AND SO DO JEEPS. LAST YEAR WAS BLUE.
THIS YEAR IT IS RED. WE ARE GOING TO HAND THESE OUT TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE FAMILIES ABOUT GOLD STAR.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING TO SUPPORT GOLD STAR AND THEIR FAMILIES.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE NAVY SEALS WHO ARE HERE TODAY.
[Proclamation Recognizing Correctional Officers and Employees Week ]
>> I AM NOT SURE HOW YOU FOLLOW THAT.
THE ONLY WAY THAT I KNOW IS TO SAY THAT I AM PROUD TO OFFER A PROCLAMATION OF CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES WEEK. I WOULD INVITE YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO COME UP HERE AND BE PRESENTED WITH THE PROCLAMATION. NATIONAL CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS WEEK WAS FIRST PROCLAIMED ON MAY 61984 BY PRESIDENT REAGAN WHEN HE SIGNED PROCLAMATION 5187 RECOGNIZING IT FOR THEIR PROFESSIONALISM, HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE COMMUNITIES.
WHERE WHEREAS FEW UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES AS THEY ARE ENTRUSTED WITH NOT ONLY THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THE SAFETY AND THE SECURITY OF THE DETENTION CENTER BUT ARE EXPECTED TO IMPROVE AND REHABILITATE IDEA INDIVIDUALS AND PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH, JOB TRAINING AND ASSISTANCE WITH REENTRY INTO SOCIETY WHEN RELEASED AND CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES WEEK OFFICERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND HONOR OUR CORRECTIONS PROFESSIONALS FOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY MAKE EVERY DAY AND THE SACRIFICES THEY MAKE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT MAY 6 THROUGH 12, 2025 BE RECOGNIZED AS CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES WEEK.
PASSED AND ADOPTED THE 6TH DAY OF MAY 2025.
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MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, THANK YOU. OUT OF THE THOUSAND EMPLOYEES, 240 WORK IN THE JAILS AND OTHERS ARE SWORN SHERIFFS. IT IS NOT JUST THE CARE, CUSTODY AND CONTROL OF WHAT THE MEN AND WOMEN DO. THEY HAVE LOWERED RECIDIVISM IN JUST OVER FOUR YEARS. OUR REENTRY PROGRAM.SUBSTANCE ABUSE. VETERAN, MENTAL HEALTH, TEEN COURT. LAST YEAR THEY BOOKED IN 6,392 PEOPLE IN THE JAIL. WE MAINTAIN A POPULATION BETWEEN 360 TO 400. I AM BLESSED TO BE THE SHERIFF.
OUT OF 67 COUNTIES, NINE DO NOT HAVE THE JAIL.
THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS HAS THE JAILS.
I WOULD NEVER ASK THE COMMISSION TO TAKE THE JAIL AWAY FROM US. I THINK WE ARE DOING GREAT THINGS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, BUT IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF ME. IT IS THE AMAZING TEAM AND THE LEADERSHIP OF EVERYBODY WHO SUPPORTS US.
OUR JAIL IS CLEAN, QUIET AND IT ACTUALLY SMELLS GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US IN OUR MISSION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANKTHANK COMMISSION FOR THIS WEEK.
A LOT OF THEIR WORK GOES UNSEEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND IT IS VITAL TO THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR SAFETY.
[Acceptance of Proclamations ]
>> WE NEED TO VOTE TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS.
>> ALL IN FAVOR, I WILL HEAR THE VOICE VOTE.
[Deletions to Consent Agenda ]
>> ALSO AS SOON AS HE GETS HERE WE WILL START THE DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> MADAM CHAIR, WE NEED TO ASK ITEM 27 BE REMOVED.
THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE RESOLUTION.
>> ALL RIGHT. THE AMENDED DELETIONS TO THE
[Approval of Consent Agenda ]
CONSENT AGENDA. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT?>> WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WHEN ADDRESSING THE BOARD PLEASE COME TO ONE OF THE THREE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND WE ASK YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. FINALLY, ANY SPEAKER THAT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MATERIALS UTILIZE THE CENTER PODIUM AND PLACE YOUR ITEMS ON THE X. THIS IS SIMPLY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE WILL NOW TAKE THOSE THAT LIKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.
>> 32080. I HAVE BEEN VERY PRESSED FOR
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TIME. I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE HAD THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TODAY YOU ARE VOTING FOR ON THIS CONSENT AGENDA THAT WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE COUNTY'S BANK BOOK. DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT NUMBER? MAYBE YOU CAN SAVE ME TIME. NO.MAYBE SOMEONE OVER HERE HAS THAT? NO. I DIDN'T THINK SO.
ANYWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO REMIND YOU WHEN YOU ARE VOTING THE RULES. PROPERLY ADMINISTRATE THE AFFAIRS OF THE COUNTY AND DECISIONS THAT BENEFIT THE PUBLIC INTEREST. KEEP SAFE ALL FUNDS IN THE PROPERTY OF THE COUNTY. CONDUCT AND PERFORM THE OFFICES OF THE DUTIES DILIGENTLY.
MAINTAIN A POSITIVE IMAGE ELEVATE ALL DECISIONS SO THE BEST SERVICE IS OBTAINED AT A MINIMAL COST WITHOUT SACRIFICING QUALITY ORIFICE CAL RESPONSIBILITY. INJECT THE OFFICE INTO EVERY DAY WITH THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES AND ASSOCIATES. MAINTAIN RESPECTFUL ATTITUDES TOWARDS EMPLOYEES, OTHER PUBLIC OFFICIALS, COLLEAGUES AND ASSOCIATES. EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN ORDER TO FURTHER THE INTEREST OF THE COUNTY.
FAITHFULLY COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE LAWS, REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO THE COUNTY AND IMPARTIALLY APPLY THEM TO EVERYONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNEW YOU NEEDED A RULE
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> VOICE VOTE ON APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE
[Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda ]
AMENDED ITEM.>> LET'S MOVE TO ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY. >> NONE.
>> I THINK WE ARE TO THE POINT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
[Approval of Regular Agenda ]
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.>> DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? DID WE JUST VOTE ON THAT.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[Public Comment ]
>> AT THIS TIME WE WILL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENTS ON MATTERS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. COME TO ONE OF THE THREE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MATERIALS PLACE YOUR ITEMS ON THE X.
>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOE WILLIAMS. 2745 LONG ROAD IN ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
I RUN INDIAN HEAD BIOMASS. WE TAKE MOST OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY YARD WASTE AND MOST OF THE BIOSOLIDS. I HAVE TO READ A SHORT THING.
GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M HERE AS OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR INDIAN HEAD. MIT GRADUATE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL GRAD.
WE ARE PROUD OF THE WORK AND THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH LAND THAT DR.
HENMAN OWNS THAT PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICES LIKE A LARGE EASEMENT.
WE RECOGNIZE WHAT WE DO IN THE PUBLIC MATERIALS IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE REALIZE IT IS NEEDED AS WELL AS TO DISCUSS WHAT TO DO AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU ALL TO INDIANHEAD. A YEAR AGO WE ACTIVATED THE GOOD NEIGHBOR PILOT PROGRAM AND EDUCATION PROJECT AND ARE HOPING THROUGH PROJECTS WITH AN EDIBLE GARDEN OUR BLOG AND AN UPCOMING OPPORTUNITY MEETING WE CAN EDUCATE EVERYBODY ON WHAT WE DO.
WE PLAN TO BE HERE EVERY MONTH WITH A BRIEF UPDATE AND WE HAVE FULL PLANNING AND POLICY TO
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SUPPORT THIS. WE AIM TO BRING LIGHT TO WHAT INDIAN HEAD DOES WITH ALL OF THE MATERIAL.ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS AHEAD OF THE GAME TO MEET STATE LEGISLATION BECAUSE INDIANHEAD EXISTS.
AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE STATES WE ARE ALSO REPRESENTING THE COUNTY WITH A NEW SITE PLAN LOOKING AT THE FUTURE THAT CONTEMPLATES OUR SHARED REALITY. THANK
YOU AND SEE YOU SOON. >> THANK YOU.
>> BEFORE I GET STARTED I DID NOT SEE --
>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS VICKIE PEPPER FROM ST. AUGUSTINE. SERVING BLACK AND OTHER UNDER SERVED COMMUNITIES. AGENDA ITEM TWO, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PULLED TOGETHER A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF USEFUL INFORMATION ABOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND PROVIDES A GREAT RESOURCE FOR UPDATING THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT ALSO PROVIDES THE BASIS TO ADD SEVERAL NEW TOOLS TO THE COUNTY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOL KITS, BUT SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE LAND USE CODE.
ONE CAVEAT IS THAT THE MAGNITUDE OF OUR NEED FOR MORE HOUSING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT IS AFFORDABLE MAY NOT BE REFLECTED. APOLOGIES IF WE MISSED IT.
THIS IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT FIND INFORMATION ALLOWING US TO GAUGE HOW MANY PEOPLE EMPLOYED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY DO NOT LIVE HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO.
BASED ON OUR COLLECTIVE EXPERIENCE WITH RESPECT TO EACH -- TEACHERS AND OTHERS WE BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS SIGNIFICANT. IF MORE PEOPLE LIVED CLOSER TO WHERE THEY WORK THIS IS ONE REASON WE ADVOCATE FOR SMART ROADS. WE AGREE WITH YOUR DECISION THE REVISED REPORT CONCLUDES OUR COUNTY HAS SUFFICIENT HOUSING CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH, BUT THAT BY 2045 ST. JOHNS COUNTY MAY NEED TO CONSIDER INCREASES IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY AND LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK, THE POPULATION GROWTH MAY WELL SLOW.
WE WILL KNOW LONG BEFORE WE HAVE A PROBLEM WHETHER IT PROVES ACCURATE AND SERVES THE COUNTY WELL. FINALLY, EVEN THOUGH WE SEE MUCH TO LIKE IN THE CONTRACTORS REPORT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, WE CONTINUE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE COUNTY'S ACTUAL UPDATED PLAN. IT IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE A 60- DAY REVIEW PERIOD TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
WE ARE ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW IT TRANSLATE TRANSLATES INTO UPDATED GOALS.
WE HOPE THE PUBLIC SEES A RED LINE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU.
>> I AM JOSEPH RYAN, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO EITHER APPROPRIATE OR USE CURRENT RESOURCES TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY IN REPEALING THE LIVE LOCAL ACT WHICH COMPLETELY NEGATES THE POWER OF THIS BOARD HERE FROM THEIR OWN DECISIONS AND DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE ADVOCATING IF FOR THIS COUNTY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THEIR AGENDA.
>> YES. GOOD MORNING. CHARLIE HUNT.
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AS WE ARE GETTING ON MORE AND MORE INTO HOW MANY DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING UP, 3,000 HOMES HERE.3,000 HOMES HERE. THERE IS STILL AN AMPLE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE ONES THAT CAN'T MAKE IT INTO THE NICE 3,000 HOME PUDS WITH ALL KIND OF FACILITIES.
THEIR OWN GARDENS AND POOLS. AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE. THAT IS A NEED THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND TAKEN UPON THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE IT.
MY MOM WORKED WITH MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE SPECIAL NEEDS.
SOME OF THE THINGS SHE HELPED THEM WITH IS TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN TO AN EXTENT. THEY HAD SPECIAL NEEDS.
THAT WAS A HURDLE THAT GOT THEM OVER.
PEOPLE THAT DON'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY, BUT THEY STILL WANT TO BE HERE. THEY STILL WORK FOR YOU.
THEY WORK FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY.
THEY NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. A SECOND ISSUE, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN I SPRUNG THE INTEREST IN THE 72 SLOT PARKING AREA FOR FCC ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEM S I SEEMED ASTONISHED A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
THEY THOUGHT THE CONTRACT WAS CANCELLED, OKAY.
THE CONTRACT WAS VOTED ON. THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. SECONDED BY THE CHAIR AT THE TIME. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT. EIGHT MONTHS LATER THEY ARE STILL GOING THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS, OKAY, AFTER THE 72 SLOT PARKING AREA THAT HAS GOT APPROVED. MAYBE THEY WERE AT THE VOTING DOCK. THAT WAS THE PROGRAM ELECTION DAY.
>> THANK YOU SIR. LAWYER GOOD MORNING.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME. I AM DENVER COOK.
I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS.
IT IS PROTECTED. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID.
BEING A RETIRED CORRECTIONAL OFFICER, I UNDERSTAND IT.
I LIVED IT FOR A LONG TIME. START IN A JAIL.
YOU WILL LEARN A LOT OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND HOW THEY ARE STRUGGLING. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY.
MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE PISSED OFF ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE PAY IN TAXES.
THERE IS A WEBSITE, ROLLBACK.COM.
IT IS A STRONG PUSH DEMANDING IMMEDIATE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.
HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY OUR BUDGET HAS GONE FROM AROUND $690 MILLION TO NEARLY $2 BILLION.
THIS YEAR, AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT I SPOKE WITH. I SAID WHEN ARE THE BUDGET HEARINGS. THIS LOVELY EMAIL SHOWED UP.
CURRENTLY THE WAY THE BUDGET PROCESS IS BEING DONE THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND YOU GET TO LISTEN AS THEY SAY HERE. VOTE ON THIS BUDGET.
USED TO BE IN DAYS PAST YOU SAT IN A ROOM IN A PUBLIC
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HEARING AND THE CITIZENS GOT TO HEAR THERE AND EVERY DEPARTMENT HAD TO PRESENT TO YOU.THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING. INSTEAD THEY ARE PRESENTING TO AN ADMINISTRATION TELLING YOU VOTE YES OR NO OR WE WON'T HAVE A BUDGET.
YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT JOB. NOT THE ADMINISTRATION.
NOT THE DEPARTMENTS. YOU REPRESENT US.
WHERE HAVE WE COME IN THE LAST FEW YEARS? CONTINUING RESOLUTIONS. JUST AS CONGRESS.
HOPING FOR THE BEST. COUNTING ON STAFF TO DO THINGS AND BEING HANDED A BUDGET THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
THE PROCESS NEEDS TO CHANGE. BUT IF THIS HAPPENS AGAIN NEXT YEAR, HEADS WILL ROLL.
>> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE SEVERAL OUT HERE WHO WERE AS WELL.
WILL PUBLIC COMMENT BE ALLOWED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO?
>> I DON'T KNOW. IT IS A PRESENTATION.
>> YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOMEBUILDERS OUT HERE WHO ARE PREPARED TO SPEAK.
>> WILL WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO?
PRESENTATION. >> IT IS A PRESENTATION.
IF THERE IS A MOTION WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DON'T KNOW. IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK NOW THAT IS FINE TOO.
>> I THINK WE CAN ALLOW PUBLIC
>> WE MAKE A MOTION AFTER THETHE AGENDA ITEM.
>> YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK THE CHAIR IS TALKING ABOUT IF THERE IS A MOTION YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> VICKIE. YOU DON'T GET TO COME BACK.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DOUG HAM FROM SILVER LEAVE. MY MAIN THING IS ABOUT THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
TO START, WHEN I LOOK AT THE SANDY CREEK THING.
IT IS ALREADY A NIGHTMARE IN THAT AREA.
I AM LOOKING TO GET MORE TRIPS OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY TO 210 WHICH CAN ONLY TURN WEST.
>> THAT IS GOING TO BE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.
>> I AM GOING TO GET INTO IT. MY POINT IS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE EXTRA TRIPS THERE. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT 100 KIDS COMING IN THERE, AND I THINK IT WILL BE HIGHER THAN THAT.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE PART IN THERE OF ONE ACRE.
IT IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. SILVER LEAF.
THERE IS NO PARKS FOR THE KIDS. THEY GIVE AN ACRE. THEY SAY HERE IS A JUNGLE GYM.
NO FIELDS. NO BASEBALL FIELDS OR FACILITIES AT ALL. WHEN I LOOK AT IT, AND I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND A FOOTBALL COACH FOR 40 YEARS.
I CAME TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WAS A VARSITY FOOTBALL COACH.
WE CONTINUALLY HAD YOUTH GROUPS WANTING TO COME TO OUR SCHOOL TO PLAY. THEY DIDN'T ALLOW IT.
THEY ARE STARTING TO ALLOW IT. I AM NOW THE HEAD COACH OF LIBERTY PINES. WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PRACTICE.
I HAVE MIDDLE SCHOOL. OUR PUBLIC PROGRAM IS
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INCREASING 20% EVERY YEAR. THEY GAVE US THE DURB AN CROSSING FIELD. WE HAVE THREE FIELDS FOR 140 KIDS IN SIX DIFFERENT TEAMS BETWEEN VARSITY AND JV. THERE ARE NO FACILITIES IN THIS COUNTY TO PRACTICE. THE SCHOOLS WON'T TAKE ON THE ATHLETIC PROGRAMS. THE COUNTY SAYS HERE ARE A FEW FIELDS. DEAL WITH IT.WE ARE ALLOWING ALL OF THIS BUILDING BUT WE ARE NOT REQUIRING ANYONE TO PUT FIELDS IN FOR THESE KIDS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME FACILITIES FOR THESE KIDS.
>> NICOLE CROSBY. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE IMMIGRANTS WHO ARRIVED ON OUR SHORES, BUT IT HAS BECOME A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE. I SAW CHILDREN GETTING STUNG ON THEIR FACE AND EYE WITH INSUFFICIENT WARNING.
I KNOW WE HAVE A FLAG SYSTEM. BLUE FLAG IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SIGN OF DANGEROUS MARINE LIFE. PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING PROPERLY WARNED. NOT ONLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE MAN-O- WAR BUT WHEN WE HAVE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS IN THE OCEANS AND RIP TIDES. RELYING ON AN ANTIQUATED COMMUNICATION METHODS LIKE COLORED FLAGS. IT WOULD BE FINE IF WE ALL LIVED ON SHIPS, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SIGNS.
I AM JUST ASKING FOR PARKS AND REC OR WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE TO DO THAT. ANOTHER REASON THEY ARE NOT EVEN PUTTING THE FLAGS OUT ALL OF THE TIME. THE DEPUTY SAID UNTIL SUMMER THEY ARE NOT EVEN ON DUTY ALL OF THE TIME. REAL YARD SIGNS TO BE USED AND PUT ON OUR BEACHES. I WANT TO QUICKLY SWITCH OVER AND RESPOND TO SOMETHING I HEARD ABOUT THE INDIANHEAD BIOMASS. HE MENTIONED UNITING SOME OF THIS AS FERTILIZER. THERE WAS A BOOK WRITTEN CALLED SCIENCE FOR SALE.
SILENCE TOPS SCIENTISTS. JEOPARDIZE OUR HEALTH AND PROTECT CORPORATE PROFITS. THE FORWARD IS BY MARK EDWARDS, THE SCIENTIST THAT EXPOSED THE FLINT WATER CRISIS. THERE IS A CHAPTER IN THE BOOK TALKING ABOUT THIS FERTILIZER.
THIS IS NOT SAFE TO PUT ON YOUR GARDENS AND PLAYGROUNDS AND FOOD SUPPLY. IT CAN CONTAIN HEAVY METALS AND MERCURY. YES, IT IS DEEMED SAFE.
IT IS NOT SAFE. IF YOU READ THE CHAPTER IN THE BOOK I DESCRIBED. YOU WILL NEVER USE THAT STUFF AGAIN. I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING SOLD TO US AS A GREAT BYPRODUCT.
I REALIZE THE SMELL IS THE OVERWHELMING ISSUE FOR RESIDENTS, BUT CONSIDER THIS AS
>> GOOD MORNING. I AM JUST CURIOUS, DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOLF CART AND E-BIKE? THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE HAVE MORE REGULATIONS ON GOLF CARTS THAN WE DO ON E-BIKES. WE HAVE HELMET REQUIREMENT FOR BICYCLES. THIS IS A WALK WAY THAT PEOPLE WALK ON. THERE IS ONE, TWO, THREE KIDS
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WITHOUT A HELMET. THERE IS A KID RIDING DOUBLE ON AN E-BIKE. SOME OF THE PICTURES I AM GOING TO SHOW ARE GRAPHIC. WE KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE WALKING ON A ESSAKALI AND WAS HIT FROM BEHIND. WE HAVE MORE REGULATIONS ON GOLFGOLF CARTS THAN WE DO ON THE E-BIKES.I HOPE THE YOUNG MAN RECOVERS BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS TOUGH. THE E- BIKES CANNOT BE ON SIDEWALKS. YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE E- BIKE WILL GO 20 TO 28 MILES PER HOUR.
IF YOU GET THE SMALL ONE THAT IS DIFFERENT.
WE HAVE 12-YEAR- OLDS RIGHT NOW GOING UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALKS, RACING EACH OTHER AND NOT CARING ABOUT ANYONE ELSE THAT IS AROUND. E- BIKES SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO 13-YEAR- OLDS. ALL OPERATORS, INCLUDING THE PARENTS SHOULD GO TO A CLASS PUT ON BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. RIGHT NOW, AND CHRISTMAS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. I WONDER HOW MANY KIDS GOT E- BIKES AND SAID GO RIDE. WE HAVE TO GET THE KIDSENG INDICATED. REGULAR BICYCLE IS ONE THING.
WHEN YOU GET IN THE HIGH SPEED VEHICLES, IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. OTHER THAN MULTIPURPOSE TRACKS.
SHOULD BE 10 MILES PER HOUR ON THE VEHICLE.
>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
I HAVE NOT HAD ONE FOR MONTHS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
I AM GOING TO COMMENT ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING WAS REALLY GOOD AND IT HAS BROUGHT UP THINGS NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT I THINK REALLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. I WAS HAPPY TO SEE JOE WILLIAMS TODAY. I AM SHOCKED NOBODY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST TRASHING COMMISSIONERS AND OUR ADMINISTRATIO ADMINISTRATION.
GOING AFTER DR. HINMAN. DRIVING PAST HIS HOUSE.
LOOKING HIM UP ONLINE. GOOGLING HIM.
I HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR A LONG TIME.
HE IS A GOOD PERSON. HE IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING HIM OUT TO BE. I DO KNOW PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SAY THEY DON'T SMELL IT. I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO DRIVE OUT THERE TO SEE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THE SITUATION. IF THE EPA IS NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AS A COUNTY WE COULD DO.
VICKIE PEPPER SPOKE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. I WAS GLAD TO SEE MR. HUNT GET UP AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
MR. HUNT HAS BEEN COMING TO THE MEETINGS WHERE A LOT OF THIS IS DISCUSSED AND A LOT OF REALLY GOOD INFORMATION COMES OUT OF. I THINK THE INFORMATION HE IS GETTING FROM THEM IS HELPING HIM FORM DECISION.
THE BUDGET PROCESS. I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED
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DENVER COOK, WHAT HIS IMPRESSIONS ARE.IT IS NOT THE IMPRESSIONS THAT I GOT FROM READING.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME MISINFORMATION I THINK ONLINE TELLING PEOPLE THEY ARE GOING T BE ABLE TO INTERACT AT THOSE MEETINGS. THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
WE WILL INTERACT WHEN IT GETS HERE.
BUT IT GIVES US GOOD BACKGROUND INFORMATION WE WOULDN'T HAVE OTHERWISE.
AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL FIELDS. THAT IS A SCHOOL PROBLEM.
IF THEY ARE GETTING TEAMS TOGETHER, THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THE FIELDS.
>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> GOOD MORNING. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR CHANGING THE MEETING LOCATION FOR THE JUNE 9TH CULTURAL RESOURCES MEETING TO THIS ROOM. FOR TOO LONG THEY WERE HELD IN A SNEAKY ROOM CALLED THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIVISION. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN 50 PEOPLE AND FIVE TV CAMERAS. DR. KING CALLED ST. JOHNS COUNTY THE MOST LAWLESS PLACE IN AMERICA.
1,000 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CASES WERE MOVED TO FEDERAL COURT AND EVERY ONE OF THE CASES WAS DISMISSED. THE OLD JAIL WHERE THE THOUSAND PEOPLE WHERE DR. KING AND OTHERS WERE INCARCERATED. IT WAS SUBJECT OF A DEMOLITION PERMIT FILED BY OUR COUNTY.
IT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED.
THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT ON THE CASE, MR. PAUL WEAVER III.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HIRE HIM AGAIN.
I WANT TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE HIRING OF A CORPORATE LAW FIRM TO BE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WE NEED TO HAVE AN AGONIZING REAPPRAISAL OF THE DECISION. LEARNED COUNSEL OVER HERE TOLD YOU HE NEVER REPRESENTED THE DEVELOPER. THE LEAD PARTNER IN HIS LAW FIRM IS A FORMER STATE SENATOR. THEY HAVE HUGE BUILDINGS AND CASINOS AND PROJECTS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
WE DID HIRE A DEVELOPER. TO BE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. THAT IS WRONG.
THAT IS WHY PENCILS HAVE ERASERS AS MY FRIEND SAYS.
THAT IS WHY PENCILS HAVE ERASERS.
YOU MADE A MISTAKE. WE NEED TO HAVE A REAPPRAISAL.
THE CORPORATE LAWYER IN RESPONSE TO ANN TAYLOR SAID SHE DOESN'TDOESN'T A RIGHT TO KNOW WHO THE CLIENTS WERE. THE SLAUGHTER BROTHERS.
TWO ROOFERS SENTENCED TO FEDERAL PRISON FOR INCOME TAX AND WORKERS' COMPENSATION PRAUD.
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY JOB NEEDS TO BE HELD BY A LAWYER AND NOT A LAW FIRM. IF YOU CONSIDER LAW FIRMS, CONSIDER RALPH BROOKS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
NO MORE CORPORATE LAWYERS AS COUNTY ATTORNEY.
>> TOM REYNOLDS. FOLKS, I WONDER HOW ARE WE DOING ON THE COUNTY ORDINANCE FOR THE VAPE DISPOSAL. ARE WE GOING TO CHARGE A $10 DISPOSAL? 7,000 TO 10,000 ARE DISPOSED OF A DAY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SOMETHING IS WRONG THERE, FOLKS.
BAD ENOUGH PEOPLE WANT TO VAPE AND KILL THEMSELVES.
THE REST OF US THAT DON'T NEED TO BE PUTTING UP WITH A BATTERY, BIG CHUNK OF PLASTIC.
IT IS RIDICULOUS. HOW ARE WE DOING ON ACTUALLY CREATING A REAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS.
THE SAME COUNCIL, THE GUY ROBBING DEAD PEOPLE AND THEIR
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FAMILIES. THE GUYGUY SHOULD BE SITTING IN PRISON RIGHT NOW.ROBBING DEAD PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES. HE IS UP IN A MANSION IN NORTH CAROLINA WITH MILLIONS.
HOW ARE WE DOING ON AN ORDINANCE TO STOP THE RIDE SHARE SURGES? IS THAT FAIR? PAY $12. PAY $15.
GO TO WORK DOWNTOWN THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY THREE TIMES TO GET HOME.
IT IS NOT FAIR. THAT IS NOT SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
THAT IS A RIP-OFF. FOLKS, THE GASOLINE SURGES.
LET'S CREATE A COUNTY ORDINANCE AND MAKE EVERY GASOLINE COMPANY GIVE US A THREE- DAY NOTICE BEFORE THEY RAISE THE PRICE.
THIS ALGORITHM, GO BACK IT IS 3.09.
IT IS CRAZY. YOU KNOW, FOLKS, THERE IS A STORY FLOATING AROUND ABOUT DAVID AND GOLIATH.
DAVID WAS SOME KIND OF LITTLE GUY.
GOLIATH WAS BIG. GOLIATH COULD BE THE STATE.
YOU COULD BE DAVID. WE HAVE SERIOUS, SERIOUS THINGS THAT ARE DESTROYING PEOPLE'S WALLET WALLETS. IT IS NOT JUST TOBACCO DISPOSAL.
IT IS THE WEED. LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT RON DESANTIS SYNTHETIC MARIJUANA INDUSTRY.
LOOK RIGHT THERE AT THE PREROLLS, THE VAPES.
IT IS INCREDIBLE WE HAVE TO HAVE WEED SHOPS EVERYWHERE.
MEDICAL MARIJUANA, LIKE THAT IS REAL.
SYNTHETIC MARIJUANA, ALL GOING IN THE GARBAGE.
>> GOOD MORNING. BEFORE I START, MAYBE I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
THE BUTLER RAMP PROJECT. IT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO BE DONE.
I AM RUNNING OUT OF TIME. I HAVE OTHER THINGS I WOULD RATHER TALK ABOUT. THIS DOCUMENT HERE I HAVE SHOWN Y'ALL BEFORE. WILL SMITH AND ERIC CLARK GAVE PERMISSION TO PUT -- THE HOMEOWNERS HAPPEN TO BE IN AN HOA.
THEIR DRIVE WAY AND MAILBOX SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN ON A PUBLIC ROAD. THERE SHOULD BE A VOTE ON IF IT IS GOING TO GO THERE. LET ME ASK Y'ALL A QUESTION.
RAISE YOUR HAND YES OR NO. WOULD YOU BUILD YOUR DREAM HOUSE LIKE A TOSS OF A COIN OR BAG FROM THE BOAT RAMP? ANYBODY OUT THERE? OF COURSE NOT.
WE ARE GIVING UP OUR RIGHT AWAY TO PUT OUR BOATS IN THE WATER FOR THESE PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAY AND MAILBOX, AND THE WOMAN ADMITTED IN COURT SHE DOES NOT SEE WELL AND WHEN SHE BACKS OUT OF THE DRIVE WAY.
I GAVE YOU PROJECTS OF HERHER ALMOST RUNNING ME DOWN. SHE IS STILL BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVE WAY. SOON AS SHE IS BACKING UP, YOU ARE A TARGET. THEY COULD CARE LESS.
THEY HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. THEY COME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE FOLLOWING ME AROUND. THEY ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE BY MESSING WITH ME. I PUT UP WITH IT FOR OVER TEN YEARS. I KNOW ABOUT IT. THE SHERIFF KNOWS ABOUT IT.
NOTHING IS GETTING DONE. HOW COME? ROUND TWO TO THE PEOPLE ON THE NORTH SIDE BOUGHT THAT HOUSE
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AND RIPPED UP EVERYTHING. THEY ARE GOING TO DO A $600,000 RENOVATION. THEY ARE JUST TEARING TREES DOWN. IT IS A BIG LAND FRAUD.Y'ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE SOMEONE GETS HURT.
>> GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER, SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE NO PLANS FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS TOWN IS SO OVERSTRESSED. IT MIGHT NOT PERTAIN TO SOME OF YOU, BUT IT PERTAINS TO A LOT OF US.
BEFORE YOU GO APPROVING ANY OTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, MAYBE YOU NEED TO FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU CAN'T DENY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURE. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DO INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT UP TO STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION.
I HAVE A PICTURE. YOU KNOW, WE HAD PROTESTS IN OUR TOWN AGAINST DOGE. THIS IS A TOUR BUS OF ORGANIZERS GETTING DROPPED OFF AT KING STREET AND TAKEN UPTOWN.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK ALL OF THE PROTESTS ARE COMING FROM THIS TOWN.
MY TRUMP SIGN WAS TATTERED AND TORN.
AFTER I WAS CALLED A NAZI. I WENT AND GOT A NEW TRUMP FLAG.
THESE PROTESTS ARE ORGANIZED. THEY ARE SENDING ORGANIZERS FROM OTHER PLACES INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC
>> GOOD MORNING. I LIVE ON CARTER ROAD OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 214. WE HAVE BEEN NEGATIVE IF I HAVELY IMPACTED BY INDIANHEAD BIOMASS NOW FOR YEARS. ME AND MY NEIGHBORS AND IN SURROUNDING SUBDIVISIONS WHO ARE ALSO NEGATIVELY AFFECTED HAVE BEEN CONTACTING YOU AND CONSTANTLY TALKING TO EACH ONE OF YOU ABOUT THIS PROBLEM FOR YEARS.
MISS ARNOLD, YOU ARE MY REPRESENTATIVE AND HAVEN'T ACKNOWLEDGED ONE COMMUNICATION I SENT TO YOUR OFFICE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT.
HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR HEALTH AND HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR PROPERTY VALUES BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE TO STOP THIS? THEY HAD VIOLATION AFTER VIOLATION. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH PROOF OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING FINALLY DONE.
>> MAN, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT POINT OUT ONE COMMISSIONER.
>> ALL OF YOU KNOW I KNOW VOTE ON EVERY ISSUE.
ANN TAYLOR HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO US.
I APPRECIATE THAT. I AM JUST HERE TO SAY THERE HAS BEEN NO GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM PUT ON THAT I KNOW OF.
HE TRIES TO BLAME OUR PROBLEM FROM EVERYONE AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
>> BACK TO THE BOARD. I KNOW WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING
[1. Public Hearing * PUD 2024-13 Tidal 210. Request to rezone approximately 65 acres of land from Commercial Highway and Tourist (CHT) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for the development of a maximum of 297 townhome units; located on the east side of Sandy Creek Parkway, south of County Road 210 and east of I-95.The Planning and Zoning Agency heard this request at their regularly scheduled public hearing on March 20, 2025 and the motion for approval failed on a vote of 3 to 3 (Labanowski, Hilsenbeck, Spiegel voted no; Pierre, Green and Matovina voted for approval; Perkins was absent). There was public comment made about the project, the main concerns raised by the public centered on the potential negative impacts to the deficient roadways and wetlands located on the site. ]
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>> YES. IT IS JUST A REGULAR ITEM.
THE APPLICANT WILL GO FIRST. YOU CAN HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> THANKTHANK YOU. I MET WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THE ENTITLE MANAGEMENTS. THE DIFFICULT TRAFFIC SITUATION EXISTING IN THE AREA. WE DISCUSSED SITE LOCATION.
THE IMPACT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE ON TRAFFIC.
>> I HAD TWO MEETINGS IN THE OFFICE WITH THE APPLICANT AND RECEIVED ABOUT 17 E- MAILS DURING MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS WE HAD. CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS, TRAFFIC CONCERNS. NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS.
>> I HAD TWO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER, AND ANOTHER WITH JOHN PAYTON AND MISTY SKIPPER AND STAFF. WE DISCUSSED MOST OF WHAT WAS MENTIONED. THIS IS MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT 5, I RECEIVED MANY MORE E- MAILS THAN A LOT OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED. I WOULD SAY MINE IS CLOSER TO 100 E-MAILS.
>> THANK YOU. 26 PLUS E-MAILS.
I HAD A MEETING WITH JULIE EVANS AND JOHN PAYTON AND MISTY SKIPPER.
>> I HAD NO MEETINGS. 28 PLUS E-MAILS.
WOKE UP TO QUITE A FEW THIS MORNING.
DEFINITELY MORE. DID YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES?
>> SURE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE BRAD, ROG AND PATRICK COME UP.
WHILE THEY ARE COMING UP AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE, THIS MORNING IS THE FIRST THAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT ANY KIND OF DESIGNATED SPEAKERS. I TRUST THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THEY KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR DESIGNATING THE SPEAKERS, BUT I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THEY EMAIL ME THE INFORMATION TO SHOW EACH OF THE SPEAKERS HAS THE NUMBER OF I WILL CALL THEM DESIGNEES AND THEY WILL BE KEEPING TRACK OF WHO IS A DESIGNATED SPEAKER AND WHO THEY ARE PURPORTING TO
>> PATRICK PIERCE, ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE SOLUTIONS. I AM UPON THE SENIOR PROJECT MORNING ON ST. JOHNS BLUFF ROAD IN JACKSONVILLE.
>> 8833 PARK BOULEVARD, SUITE 103.
>> DJ SMITH. 10375 PARKWAY NORTH SUITE 410.
>> DO WE SWEAR ANYONE ELSE IN?
>> WE WILL HAVE THE CLIRK SWEAR YOU IN.
EVERYONE STAND UP WHO WILL BE SWORN IN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MA'AM.
I HAVE THE PLEASURE TODAY OF ACTUALLY REPRESENTING TWO
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PARTIES. THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS DURBAN CREEK NATIONAL. JOHN, MISTY AND MELISSA ARE HERE WITH US TODAY. THE APPLICANT IS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER. YOU KNOW THEM.THEY ARE THE DEVELOPER OF THE BEAUTIFUL RIVER TOWN COMMUNITY.
THEN YOU JUST MET BRAD DAVIS FROM PROCESSOR ENGINEERING. ROG IS OUR TRAFFIC EXPERT TODAY.
PATRICK PIERCE IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT.
BEFORE I GET STARTED I WANTED TO TALK TO THE BOARD AND THE RESIDENTS OF SANDY CREEK. WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS WE REACHED OUT EARLY AND THEY POLITELY GAVE US THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS. WE STARTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENTS MONTHS AGO, AND THEY HAVE BEEN KIND IN COMMUNICATING WITH US.
THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE PROCESSUAL WAS WAS BUT THEY WANTED NOTHING TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE PROPERTY. THEY ALL SAY THEY WANT NOTHING TO BE DEVELOPED ON THIS PROPERTY.
I FACED THIS BEFORE. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME. HAVE YOU RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THAT SHOW UP WHEN YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES AND THE ONLY USE IS THEY ARE PERMITTED BY THE FUTURE LAND USE OR ZONING.
NONDEVELOPMENT TYPE USES. THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. IT IS A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION SINCE THE COMP PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 1990. MIXED USAGE TODAY, AND A ZONING OF COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST AND IT HAS FOR 35 YEARS THAT ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT AS A MATTER OF RIGHT TODAY.
>> SORRY. I AM FOLLOWING THIS SCHEDULE.
>> THANK YOU. I AM SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
>> ANYWAY, MY POINT IS THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA SINCE THE COMP PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 1990. LAND USE AND ZONING FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR 35 YEARS. SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT HERE.
I AM SAYING THIS FIRMLY BUT KINDLY.
I NEED TO MAKE THE POINT AS WE OFF.
LET'S GET TO THE POINT OF WHAT CAN BE DONE.
THE PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS EAST OF 95.
IT IS ALONG MOON BAY AND SANDY CREEK PARKWAY.
YOU SEE THAT LOCATION. JUST TO GIVE YOU A HISTORY, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL FUTURE LAND USE MAPMAP ST. JOHNS COUNTY FROM 1990. YOU CAN SEE THE DARK LINES HERE.
THOSE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS FIRST APPROVED. YOU CAN SEE.
THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN PLATED FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR 35 YEARS. THIS IS THE 2,000 FUTURE MAP.
MIXED USE DISTRICT. FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ON THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE YEAR 2000.
GOING FORWARD TO TODAY'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP, MIXED USE DISTRICT, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
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MIXED USE DISTRICT. RESIDENTIAL.SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY TO A MAXIMUM OF 13 UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE. COMMERCIAL SPACE TO A MAXIMUM OF 75% IMPERVIOUS RATIO, AND 70% FLOOR AREA RATIO, THAT IS WHAT F.A.R. STANDS FOR. OFFICE SPACE MAXIMUM 75%, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACE MAXIMUM 75% ISR, MAXIMUM 70% F.A.R. THESE ARE THE TYPES OF USE PERMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY AS A MATTER OF RIGHT TODAY UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. NOW WE WILL GO TO THE ZONING.
THIS WAS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOUREST.
HERE IS THE 2,000 ZONING MAP. ALL OF THE PROPERTY WAS CHT EXCEPT FOR THIS. EVERYTHING, SANDY CREEK AND OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE CHANGED OVER TIME USED TO BE CHT ZONING. HERE IS TODAY'S ZONING MAP.
YOU CAN SEE THE CHT ZONING THE DISTRICTS TO THE NORTH.
YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THIS PUD RESIDENTIAL THAT HAS GROWN UP AROUND THE PROPERTY WHICH CAUSED THE PROBLEM WE ARE FACING TODAY.
THE COUNTY HAS APPROVED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND A CHT ZONED PROPERTY.
THAT CAUSES A COMPATIBILITY QUESTION.
HERE ARE THE PERMITTED USES OF CHT.
THIS IS NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LIST. IF YOU WANT A LIST YOU CAN GO TOTO 2.03.01. IT WILL GIVE YOU A FULL LIST OF ALL OF THE PERMITTED USES IN THE CHT ZONING CATEGORIES.
I JUST SUMMARIZED SOME OF THESE FOR YOU.
HOTELS, MOTELS, GAS STATIONS, PRIVATE CLUBS, CAR WASH FACILITIES, OIL CHANGE FACILITIES. THESE ARE THE USES TO BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY TODAY AS A MATTER OF RIGHT WITHOUT COMING TO THE BOARD FOR ANY APPROVAL. A GENTLEMAN EARLIER TALKED ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL. IT IS COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. I AM SUMMARIZING THIS FOR YOU.
IT SAYS A COUNTY MUST AUTHORIZE MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AS ALLOWABLE USES IN ANY AREA ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE IF AT LEAST 40% OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ARE RENTAL UNITS THAT, FOR A PERIOD OF AT LEAST 30 YEARS ARE AFFORDABLE.
ALSO, A COUNTY MAY NOT RESTRICT THE HEIGHT OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AUTHORIZED UNDER THE SECTION BELOW THE HIGHEST CURRENTLY ALLOWED HEIGHT FOR A COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR THREE STORIES, WHICHEVER IS HIGHER. THERE ARE MORE THAN FOUR STORY BUILDINGS IN THE FOUNTAINS ACROSS 210 FROM THIS PROPERTY. UNDER LIVE LOCAL, THIS COULD BE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TO A DENSITY OF 13 UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.
AT A HIGH GREATER THAN THREE STORIES.
THIS IS ALLOWED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
HERE IS WHAT A SITE PLAN FOR AA LOCAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEX WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE, MIXED USE DISTRICT ALLOWING 13 UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT IS 600 UNITS AT 50 PER BUILDING.
THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS FOUR STORIES.
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THAT IS 58 FEET OR SO IN FIGHT.HEIGHT.12 BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 1,248 PARKING SPACES ACCORDING TO YOUR LAND USE CODE. THIS COULD BE BUILT UNDER LIVE LOCAL ON THIS PROPERTY AS A MATTER OF RIGHT TODAY WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.
AS AN ALTERNATIVE THEY ARE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE COMPATIBLE. PROVIDES MUCH LESS TRAFFIC GENERATION ON COUNTY ROAD 210.
WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ARE 297 HIGH END TOWNHOMES ON 47 UPLAND ACRES.
THAT IS IMPORTANT. GOING BACK TO THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION, 13 UNITS PER ACRE. THEY ARE ASKING FOR 6. 27, NOT 13. TOWNHOMES BY THE WAY ARE OWNER OCCUPIED. THEY ARE OWNER OCCUPIED.
I ARE NOT RENTAL COMMUNITY. THE PROJECT WILL BE GATED.
THE ROADS WILL BE OWNED BY THE HOA.
NO CAR WASH FACILITIES, GAS STATIONS OR ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY. MOST OF THE ON SITE WETLANDS ARE PRESERVED, INCLUDING THOSE CONNECTED TO THE 12- MILE SWAMP THAT I WILL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE, AND THE TOWNHOMES ARE THE MOST COMPATIBLE USE TO BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY CONSIDERING SANDY CREEK AND THE OTHER SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
COMPATIBILITY OF TOWNHOMES VERSUS LIVE LOCAL.
HERE IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND MOON BAY PARKWAY.
IT WILL NOT CONNECT TO SANDY CREEK PARKWAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE TOWNHOME UNITS. ALL OF THE BUFFERING PROVIDED HERE. THERE IS A BUFFER TO SANDY CREEK BELOW. NO CONNECTION TO SANDY CREEK PARKWAY. NO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USE BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS BUFFERED FROM SANDY CREEK.
THIS IS THE MATTAMY PROJECT THAT IS PROPOSED FROM THE COMMUNITY IN JACKSONVILLE. YOU CAN GO UP AND SEE THAT FOR YOURSELF. THESE ARE VERY NICE TOWNHOMES.
HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE PROJECT.
IT WILL HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER SIMILAR TO THIS AND A SWIMMING POOL.
HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE POOL.
THIS IS A HIGH END TOWNHOME PRODUCT.
GETTING IN TO TRANSPORTATION, THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEY ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
THE PROJECT WILL ONLY CONNECT TO MOON BAY PARKWAY AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. PARKWAY. TION TO SANDY CREEK - THAT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE. THE SANDY CREEK FOLKS HAD SOME TROUBLE GETTING ON TO 95. HERE IS THE SITE LOCATION.
THE PROJECT WILL ONLY GO ON TO MOON BAY PARKWAY AT THIS INTERSECTION. PART OF MATTAMY'S PROPOSAL TO ADD A RIGHT- HAND TURN LANE AT MATTAMY'S EXPENSE ON TO COUNTY ROAD 210 WHICH WILL HELP TRAFFIC FLOW. THEY WILL DO ANY SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY.
IT IS A COUNTY ROAD. HERE IS THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY. THERE IS A COMPANION APPLICATION THAT IS STILL UNDER REVIEW BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF. IT WAS DONE BASED ON THE COUNTY AND THE DOT'S REQUIREMENT FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY. HE HAS TO FOLLOW THE
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REQUIREMENTS IN CONDUCTING HIS TRAFFIC STUDY.IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE REQUIREMENTS WE CAN HAVE HIM COME UP. THE ONLY AFFECTED LINK OF COUNTY ROAD 210 FROM THIS PROJECT IS THIS LINK BETWEEN C.E. WILSON AND I-95.
THAT IS THE LINK HE STUDIED BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR CODE AND THE DOT REQUIREMENT.
RIGHT NOW THE PROJECT'S PROPORTION AT SHARE IS ABOUT $980,000.
THE APPLICATION IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.
IN ADDITION TO PAYING THAT, WHATEVER THE PROPORTION AT SHARE IS, MATTAMY IS WILLING TO PREPAY THE ROAD IMPACT FEES BEFORE THE PROJECT STARTS CONSTRUCTION. THE COUNTY WILL HAVE ABOUT $2.
5 MILLION IN CASH TO PAY FOR WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED TO COUNTY ROAD 210. I NOTICED WHEN I WAS OUT THERE LAST MONDAY THAT THE WIDENING IS GOING VERY WELL.
I WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH THERE. TWO LANES OPEN, AND ONE LANE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. ALL FOUR LANES OF THE EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND SHOULD BE OPEN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
LONG BEFORE THE PROJECT COMES ONLINE.
COUNTY ROAD 210 WILL BE FOUR LANES. THE COUNTY CAN USE THE ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR AN EXTRA LANE OR ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT IT IS YOUR DECISION. MATTAMY WILL MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS AT ITS COST, NO ROAD IMPACT FEE CREDIT FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO NORTHBOUND MOON BAY PARKWAY AND MIGHT HAVE TO MODIFY THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND TIMING IF THAT IS WARRANTED.
THAT IS A DECISION TO BE MADE BY THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF WHO IS VERY CAPABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DESIGNED CORRECTLY AND THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONSTRUCTED. GOING TO AGAIN THE ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT OPTION. WE HAD THE ENGINEERS COMING UP WITH A SITE PLAN. WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT LIVE LOCAL. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN. AGAIN, REPRESENTING THE CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS ON THE SITE. THIS COULD BE 10. 5 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL, AND THIS AREA COULD BE 11. 5 ACHE ACHE -- ACRES OF STORAGE.
THIS IS JUST BY WAY OF AN EXAMPLE JUST TO GET THE PICTURE OF HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED COMMERCIALLY. THAT STRUCTURES THIS SLIDE.
THIS IS VERY TELLING. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, IT SHOWS YOU EXACTLY WHAT THE TRAFFIC COUNT IS.
NOBODY IS DEBATING THAT COUNTY ROAD 210 IS AT OR OVER CAPACITY RIGHT NOW. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE PROJECT HAS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO BE DEVELOPED.
THE QUESTION IS, UNDER ON THE -- UNDER THE SCENARIO THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU. UNDER THE SITE PLAN, ROG DID THE CALCULATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THE 10. 5 ACRES.
CONVENIENT STORE AND GAS STATION AND A SHOPPING PLAZA.
YOU SEE THE SQUARE FOOTAGES. MINI WAREHOUSE, 200,000 FEET AND CHARTER K THROUGH 12 SCHOOL. 9,623 DAILY TRIPS ON THE COUNTY ROAD. IN THE P.M. , IT IS 2,163 P.M.
PEAK HOUR TRIPS IF THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING.
IF, AGAIN, THE PROJECT AVAILS ITSELF OR THE PROPERTY AVAILS ITSELF WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND IT HAS MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND THE NUMBER OF 600 UNITS, THE SITE PLAN I SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
THAT GENERATES 3,921 DAILY TRIPS ON COUNTY ROAD 210.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE PROPOSED TITLE.
THE LABEL REQUIRED, TRIP GENERATION IS CALLED
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MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. THESE WILL BE FOR SALE TOWNHOMES. 297 UNITS GENERATES 1,979 DAILY TRIPS ON COUNTY ROAD 210. 115 A.M. PEAK, AND 148 P.M.PEAK HOURS. DO YOU WANT 17,000 DAILY TRIPS FROM COMMERCIAL? DO YOU WANT 4,000 DAILY TRIPS FROM LIVE LOCAL APARTMENTS OR 2,000 DAILY TRIPS FROM TOWNHOME UNITS? THAT IS THE QUESTION FOR TODAY.
SO AGAIN, THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT ARE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS TO COUNTY ROAD 210, CREATES INFILL, MARKET RATE HOUSING ON LAND WITH A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THE COMMUNITY WILL BE GATED.
PRIVATELY OWNED ROADS, NO COUNTY MAINTENANCE REQUIRED, AND TOWNHOMES ARE MORE COMPATIBLE AROUND THIS PROPERTY OVER TIME THAN THOSE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, COMMERCIAL OR LIVE LOCAL APARTMENTS. AGAIN, GOING TO THIS PROPERTY IT WILL BE DEVELOPED. LEAVING IT VACANT IS NOT AN OPTION. SO, THE REAL QUESTION IS WILL IT BE OWNER OCCUPIED TOWNHOMES, WHICH ARE THE MOST COMPATIBLE USE, LOWEST TRAFFIC GENERATION.
WILL THEY BE AFFORDABLE LIVE LOCAL APARTMENTS, THE SECOND LOWEST TRAFFIC GENERATIONS OR A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL PROJECT WHICH HAS THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC GENERATION BY FAR. THAT IS THE DECISION FOR THE BOARD. I KNOW IT IS A HARD DECISION.
I REITERATE THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND HAD LAND USE AND ZONING FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR 35 YEARS.
SO AGAIN, THAT IS WHY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE REALIZE IT IS A HARD DECISION.
WE REALIZE THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NOTHING.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO OCCUR. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS AND WE WILL BE HERE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
>> QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER MURPHY.
>> JUST ONE QUESTION. MAYBE THIS IS FOR MATTAMY.
YOU SAID YOU ARE WILLING TO DO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO MOON BAY AT 210 AT A RIGHT TURN LANE. WOULD THAT ALLOW US TO HAVE A DOUBLE LEFT TURN COMING OUT OF THERE?
>> I THINK THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UNLESS BRAD, YOU KNOW.
>> WE COULD MAKE THAT A DOUBLE LEFT AND HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE SIGNAL TIMING.
EXISTING LEFT TURN. IT CAN BE ALLOCATED AS A DUAL LEFT AND THE RIGHT ON MAIN COULD BE A THROUGH ON THE RIGHT.
THE RIGHT TURN TRAFFIC DEMAND WILL BE MUCH LOWER THAN THE LEFT TURNING TRAFFIC.
>> I REALIZE THAT WE COULD DO THAT.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET AN AGREEMENT TO DO THAT.
>> WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THE DESIGN.
>> I APOLOGIZE. I WILL TALK TO MY CLIENTS DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND WILL REPORT BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
>> YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOU SAID YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC OR THE ROAD COUNTS? I WAS WATCHING THE PCA.
>> NO. THAT IS THE EXISTING COUNT AND THE OTHER TRIPS COMING UP 210 ITSELF.
I THINK THIS WAS ABOUT PROVIDING DUAL LEFT TURNS OUT OF MOON BAY PARKWAY.
>> THAT IS WHERE TRUCKS MAKE A
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>> THE COUNTY HAS PRESCRIBED RULES. THE COUNTY HAS A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET WHICH IS A PUBLIC RECORD AND HE HAS TO USE THE DATA AVAILABLE TO PRODUCE HIS TRAFFIC STUDIES WHEN ARE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. WE ARE NOT DEBATING THAT IT IS OVER CAPACITY. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THIS PROPERTY HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT TRAFFIC ON TO COUNTY ROAD 210.
THE DECISION IS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DOES THE BOARD WANT.
>> THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED. WHAT I ASKED HE ANSWERED BEAUTIFULLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
>> IT IS 103 NOW. 170 SOMETHING IS WHEN ALL PROJECTS APPROVED COME ONLINE AT A LATER DATE. WILL THE FOUR LANING AFFECT THAT PERCENTAGE AT ALL?
>> THEY ARE WORKING TO FOUR LANE THAT PART.
>> THAT WOULD BE TO THE EAST OF MOON BAY, I GUESS.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED.
THE MITIGATION THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND DOLLARS TOWARDS IMPROVING 210. THAT COULD IMPROVE THE SITUATION ON 210.
>> THEY ARE NOT FOUR LANING THE AREA AT ALL?
>> IT IS CURRENTLY FOUR LANES.
>> THAT IS THE PURPOSE, TO GIVE THE COUNTY CASH.
IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THE STAFF HAS GOT AN OPTION OF PUTTING A FIFTH LANE ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 210. WHATEVER THAT MONEY CAN BE USED FOR IS UP TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
YOUR BOARD CAN FIND A PROJECT.
>> I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
COUNTY ROAD 210 WAS TWO LANES AND NOW IT WILL BE FOUR LANES. DOES THAT CHANGE THE PERCENTAGES GOING FORWARD?
>> THIS SECTION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS ALREADY FOUR.
>> HOW MUCH IS IT TO PUT ANOTHER
LANE? >> DOT HAS DONE A PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND ANALYSIS ON THE SECTION. I THINK BASED WHAT I SAW ON THE REPORT IT IS ABOUT $6. 5 MILLION.
>> ABOUT 2. 5 TO 2. 7 MILLION. APPROXIMATELY HALF THE MONEY.
>> THAT IS REALLY NOT ENOUGH TO PUT IT IN.
>> THAT IS THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR MATTAMY.
THE PROPORTION AT SHARE IS ABOUT $980,000.
THAT IS THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW. STAFF IS STILL WORKING ON THE REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND CONCURRENCY AGREEMENT BUT THEY AGREED TO PREPAY THE ROAD IMPACT FEES GIVING THE COUNTY CASH WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE PROJECT TO HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON 210 IMPROVEMENTS.
RIGHT NOW THEY ARE WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE EAST OF HERE.
I DROVE THROUGH AND GOT THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE WITH NO PROBLEM.
GREG AND STAFF ARE TO BE COMMENDED THAT THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS COMPLETED, IT WILL FLOW VERY NICELY.
>> OKAY. WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PODIUM UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.
WE HAVE FIVE SPEAKERS ALLOTTED TEN MINTES TO SPEAK. IF YOU SIGNED A DESIGNATED SPEAKER FORM TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO SPEAK FOR YOU, YOU WON'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP FOR THREE MINUTES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO START AT THE TOP.
MR. CAMPBELL. YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO START. I THINK THE TEN MINUTE SPEAKERSSPEAKERS GET TO GO FIRST.
>> YOUR BOARD RULES PROVIDE IF YOU HAVE 20 OR FEWER SPEAKERS YOU ARE ALLOTTED FIVE MINUTES.
20 OR MORE IT IS 10 MINUTES AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
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>> THE RULES ALLOW IF YOU ARE A DESIGNATED SPEAKER AND HAVE SIGNATURES OR INFORMATION FROM 20 OR FEWER PEOPLE IT IS A FIVE- MINUTE ALLOCATION OF TIME. IF YOU HAVE 20 OR MORE IT IS A TEN MINUTE ALLOCATION OF TIME.
>> I THINK HE IS ASKING FOR THE ORDER.
>> THE DESIGNATED SPEAKERS GO FIRST AND THEN REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> MY NAME IS ANDREW FLETCHER. I AM A SANDY CREEK RESIDENT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY ONE THING BUT I WILL ADDRESS WHAT I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT. SANDY CREEK HOA MEMBER AT-LARGE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE SAY WE DON'T WANT THE PROJECT AT ALL.
THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. I WORKED WITH MATTAMY HOMES.
THEY DO GREAT WORK. WHAT OUR ISSUE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE. I AM A U- TURN CHAMPION.
THE DEVELOPMENT AT BEACON LAKE AND BEACH WALK.
THAT WAS A DISASTER. I ONLY HAVE AN EARNED HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA. I THINK IF YOU SAID WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS MANY PEOPLE OVER HERE AND DEVELOP A GREAT BIG ROAD AND THE HIGHWAY IS OVER HERE.
WE HAVE A TWO LANE ROAD CONNECTING THAT.
I THINK I COULD HAVE FIGURED OUT IN ADVANCE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED FIRST. IT IS NOT ABOUT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT IS ABOUT ORDER. WE MUST DO IT IN A PROPER ORDER.
LET'S DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE RIGHT ORDER, BEFORE THE PROJECT IS BUILT AND APPROVEDAPPROVED GET IT IN A PLACE THAT IS SAFE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WE CAN GET TO WORK ON TIME.
MY OFFICE IS RIGHT BY THE CONNECTOR.
IT IS A DISASTER. IF YOU DROVE THROUGH THERE AND SAID IT IS A BREEZE, YOU HAVE NOT GONE AT 4:00 OR 8:00.
FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY, LET'S DO THINGS WITH WISDOM.
WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING IN THE END.
IT IS A GREAT PROJECT. IT DOES FIT.
I THINK IT WILL BE FINE IF WE HAVE A WAY TO SAFELY TRANSPORT OURSELVES DOWN 220 AS IT DEVELOPS. THAT IS WHY I AM HERE TO SUPPORT. DO IT HITTING THE PAUSE BUTTON OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT DONE WITH WISDOM AND ORDER. THAT IS
ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.
>> WE HAVE KEITH. CAROLYN WARD OR JENNY EVANS PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I AM JENNY EVANS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL AND MATTAMY HOMES HAS THE RIGHT TO BUILD.
>> WOULD YOU SLIDE OVER TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
WE ARE BROADCASTING THIS TO THE WORLD.
>> OKAY. I FAILED TO GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS.
35 FERN LAKE COURT. OUR QUESTION HAS BEEN SAID, IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME. IS THIS THE RIGHT THING TO DO? EXISTING SANDY CREEK PARKWAY EXISTING TO MAKE A
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U-TURN IS IMPOSSIBLE. THIS ACCIDENT HAPPENED MONDAY, MAY 8TH, 10:00 A.M. IT IS A FIVE- CAR PILE-UP.THIS IS WHAT WE EXIT ON TO IF WE WANT TO TURN AND GO WEST.
ON A RECENT RETURN TRIP ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS TOLD ME YESTERDAY IT TOOK HIM 45 MINUTES TO GET HOME. THAT IS A FOUR- MILE STRETCH.
WHERE WE TURN TO GO WEST. YOU CAN SEE GAS PUMPS.
WHERE IS THE LANE? WHO IS GOING TO BUY THE PROPERTY? HOW MUCH IS THAT PROPERTY GOING TO COST? $1 MILLION? $2 MILLION? THESE PEOPLE ARE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE. THEY ARE JUST PAST WAFFLE HOUSE.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE ADDED CONGESTION WHICH WILL BE CAUSED THIS SUMMER WHEN THE TRUCKING EXPANSION PARKING PROJECT BEGINS.
THE PROJECT INCLUDES NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND EXITS.
THE REST AREA IN THE TRUCK PARKING WILL BE COMPLETE LY CLOSED AS THE CONSTRUCTION IS TAKING PLACE. THEY ARE ALREADY PARKING ON THE SHOULDERS. THAT IS A SAFETY HAZARD.
I HAVE CORRESPONDENCE SHOWING HOW MUCH OF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. THE PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO START THIS SUMMER, PROBABLY ABOUT THE TIME THAT SCHOOL STARTS.
THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE CONGESTION.
THE TRUCK DRIVERS HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO.
THE FALLING GRADE OF SANDY CREEK PARKWAY CREATES A BOWL.
WILL FIRE AND RESCUE DRIVE THROUGH THIS? THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN 2017 WHEN SAMPSON CREEK FLOODED.
WE HAD NO WAY TO GET OUT. RESCUE PROBABLY WOULD NOT GO ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. I KNOW I WOULDN'T.
MOON BAY ROADWAY LOOKS LIKE THE HOOVER DAM.
COMPARED TO THE ROAD WE HAVE THAT CROSSES OVER.
SANDY CREEK RESIDENTS HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS.
ADDITIONAL BUILDING ADJACENT TO SANDY CREEK, WHICH HAPPENED ALL ALONG SANDY CREEK AND NOT JUST IN OUR AREA, BUT EVEN TO THE NORTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE. THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE CREEK WILL CERTAINLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE FLOW OF RAINWATER.
TITLE 210PUD WOULD BE MORE LIKE A TIDAL WAY WITHOUT PROPER PLANNING AND WIDENING OF 210. THE INFRASTRUCTURE MUST COME FIRST. WE ARE ALREADY PAYING THE PRICE BECAUSE OF HOW THE PLANNING WAS MISMANAGED. SANDY CREEK AND MOON BAY ARE AT THE CHOKE POINT. WE ARE ADDING MORE HOMES WILL HAVE THE MOST NEGATIVE EFFECT. I URGE YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING, RIGHT NOW BY DENYING THE REZONING APPLICATION.
GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.
>> I LIVE AT 226 CLEAR CREEK COURT.
THAT IS IN THE SANDY CREEK SUBDIVISION.
I BELIEVE THAT I E- MAILED ALL OF YOU EARLY ON ABOUT OUR CONCERN FROM SANDY CREEK. I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO
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FIND ANYONE IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE ALL AGAINST IT.I WOULD ALSO STATE THAT WE DID HAVE A ZOOM CALL WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE FROM MATTAMY AND DID EXPRESS THAT WE WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. IT WAS MAINLY DUE TO TRAFFIC.
WE NEVER SAID WE NEVER WANTED ANYTHING DEVELOPED THERE.
THAT IS A MISREPRESENTATION. I SPOKE AT THE ZONING MEETING.
I SAID THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE ARE AGAINST. HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM A LOT OF WHATWHAT MR. CAMPBELL SAYS ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE 171% DEFICIENCY OF THE ROAD AND SO FORTH. I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2008.
ME, MY AND MY NEIGHBORS ACCEPTED THE FACT WE HAD TO DO U- TURNS TO GO IN AND U- TURNS TO GO OUT. WE KNEW THAT.
BUT THEN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, BEACH WALK, BRIDGEWATER, BEING THE LATEST ONE.
THAT IS NOT EVEN HALF DONEDONE YET.
THAT IS 800 TOWNHOMES. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT PAST US. HOW WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS BEING APPROVED. WE WERE NOT A PART OF THE HOA ON THAT POINT. THERE IS ANOTHER ONE THERE NOT MENTIONED, MADISON FOUNTAINS. ANOTHER 276 APARTMENTS THAT WERE COMPLETED. BRIDGEWATER.
I AM WILLING TO VENTURE THAT IS 50% RENTALS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT. I CAN'T PROVE THAT.
A LOT OF THEM ARE RENTED. THAT IS NOT OWNER OCCUPIED.
I WILL ECHO WHAT JENNY SAID ABOUT ADDING A FIFTH LANE EASTBOUND FROM 95 TO MOON BAY PARKWAY.
I DO NOT SEE HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE.
THE LANE WOULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE GAS PUMPS AT THE PUMP.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS EVEN POSSIBLE.
ANOTHER LANE WESTBOUND, YOU ARE DIGGING RIGHT INTO THE THING. THE TRUCK PLAZAS ARE NOT MOVING, REALLY. I DON'T SEE ANYANY THEY WANT TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE. WHY WOULD THEY? THEY ARE VERY BUSY AND VERY SUCCESSFUL.
YES, IT ADDS TO PROBLEMS FOR US. IN FACT THE TRUCK DRIVERS ARE GETTING PRETTY DARN AGGRESSIVE WHEN THEY ENTER AND EXIT, CUTTING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. ELLEN MENTIONED ALTERNATE DEVELOPMENTS. A SCHOOL.
I REALLY, REALLY CAN'T VISION A SCHOOL WANTING TO BE NEAR A MENTAL HOSPITAL. I DON'T SEE IT.
THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS WE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ON THAT PROPERTY. I WOULD APPEAL TO GATE PETROLEUM AND THE PAYTON FAMILY. YOU ARE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. THIS MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT SUITS EVERYBODY AROUND HERE.
I BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE FRIENDLY TO RESIDENTS.
WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS SIMILAR TO MEDICAL OR OFFICE OR RETAIL. LET'S WORK WHERE YOU LIVE.
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THERE IS NOT A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT.IT IS JUST SO MUCH RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PROPERTY COULD BE USED FOR.
NO WAY WE WOULD RESTRICT YOU FROM DEVELOPING OR SAY ANYTHING AGAINST IT.
I THINK THAT IS ALL THAT I WANTED TO SAY.
I WILL JUST SAY THE DEVELOPMENTS DOWN 210 DIDN'T ADD THAT MUCH TRAFFIC.
A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC COMES FROM THE EAST AS WELL AS FROM US. ANY DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN AT MOON BAY, IF IT IS RESIDENTIAL THEY HAVE TO GET ON 95 TO GO TO WORK, MOST LIKELY.
THAT IS A LOT OF LEFT LANE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF MOON BAY. AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS STATED THEY CAN PUT TWO LEFT TURN LANES IN THERE.
I CHALLENGE THAT. I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.
>> MY NAME IS HARRY CAMPBELL. I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY LET ME LIVE THERE.
THEY DID NOT KNOW I WAS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER OR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
THERE ARE VERY FEW OF US. WHO AM I? I HAPPENED TO BE A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER CERTIFICATION AND INSTITUTE OF TRANSPOTATION ENGINEER FELLOW AND PROUD GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS OVER 45 YEARS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA, ENTRY LEVEL ENGINEER TO CONSULTING FIRM WHERE I ROSE QUICKLY TO VICE PRESIDENT OF TRAFFIC AND PLANNING SERVICES DOING PROJECT AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND A LOT OF SAFETY STUDIES FOR FLORIDA DOT AND A LOT OF WORK.
I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF ORLANDO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON A REGULAR BASIS AND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DEALING WITH DEVELOPMENT.
I MANAGED THAT AND RAN IT EFFECTIVELY.
I WORKED ON A MAJOR PROJECT IN CENTRAL FLORIDA.
I WORKED FOR LEAGUE COUNTY FOR SIX YEARS AS THE COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEER DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. TEN YEARS AT THE VIRGINIA DOT IN CENTRAL OFFICE. MY CAREER HAS CONTINUED ON AN ON CALL BASIS. YOU MUST DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
ETHICS. ETHICAL TO ME ALWAYS MEANS TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THERE ARE NO PROGRAM IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW. IT IS LESS THAN A MILE.
RIGHT NOW IT IS OVER WHAT YOU WOULD ADD OVER 2,000 MORE CARS A DAY WHAT THE COMMITTED
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DEVELOPMENT IS. IT IS CONSIDERED DEFICIENT BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY STANDARDS. THE PUD SENDS IT TO 175.4.AGAIN, THERE IS NO PROJECT TO ADDRESS THAT LESS THAN ONE MILE SEGMENT.
IF YOU TRIED TO WIDEN IT TO SIX LANES, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT STAFF HAS SAID IS THAT IT IS NOT FEASIBLE.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AFTER I FINISH I CAN GO INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN BIG PROJECTS AND BIG PROBLEMS. IF IT IS NOT FEASIBLE OR PRACTICAL THE FIFTH LANE OPTION IS ONE I WILL TALK ABOUT.
RIGHT NOW YOU ARE ABOUT 4,820 VEHICLES.
THAT IS WHAT YOU COULD GET. YET YOU HAVE 6,120 APPROVED.
ADDING TO THAT JUST DOES NOTNOT THE 6,025 TRIPS IN THE PEAK HOUR THAT IS ALREADY APPROVED.
YOU JUST HEARD SOMEONE SAY THEY THOUGHT IT COULD BE 6.
5 MILLION. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP AN OPINION OFOF WITHOUT A DESIGN. YOU CAN ESTIMATE BUT IF YOU PROVIDE AN OPINION YOU NEED A DESIGN TO DO THAT AND NEED TO KNOW HOW ROADS ARE BUILT.
THE INDUSTRY OF ATTORNEYS AND THE EXPERT WITNESSES THAT SUPPORT THEM SALIVATE WHEN YOU TRY TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS FIFTH LANE.
THIS PROJECT IS POTENTIALLY FIVE TO SIX YEARS IN TO COMPLETION. THAT IS FIVE TO SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. DELAY AND EMS, FIRE RESPONSE TIME IS PART OF THE BIG PICTURE.
THAT IS A DIRECT IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELL WELFARE. I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REMIND YOU OF THAT. IF YOU DID A PROPER ANALYSIS OF THIS CORRIDOR YOU WILL FIND THINGS ARE GOING TO BE MUCH, MUCH WORSE AT 6,025. YOU ADD IN MORE DEVELOPMENT FOR ANY PROJECT. THERE IS A COST TO CONGEST ION CONGESTION. IT BECOMES LESS LIVEABLE.
QUALITY OF LAS VEGAS THINGS I DEALT WITH IN VIRGINIA, SO OVERSATURATED. PEOPLE MOVED BACK.
YOU HAVE A CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE WITH CONGESTION.
THAT IS A REALITY. YOUR OWN SHORT SHOWS YOUR DEFICIENCY. THAT IS THE DECISION THAT YOU ARE MAKING TODAY. IS THIS AN ADVERSE IMPACT. IN GOING THROUGH IT THERE IS A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT I PROVIDED THE STAFF THESE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT IS AN
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UNDER STATEMENT OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE OVERSATURATION THAT OCCURS TODAY. THE PUD OF BRIDGEWATER DOES NOT REFLECT THE 2030 YEAR ANALYSIS.I DON'T SEE THE COMPLETE PICTURE OF BUILD OUT IN 2023.
IT IS USED AS A TRIP RATE THAT WAS CALCULATED FROM OTHER FACILITIES FOR THE HOSPITAL. IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HOSPITAL, THE HOSPITAL YOU APPROVED UNDERSTATED THE TRIP RATE FOR THAT HOSPITAL.
I DID PROVIDE THAT TO THE STAFF. I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I AM AVAILABLE TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT DEALING WITH SATURATION AND HOW YOU GO FORWARD.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. CAROLINE, GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS CAROLINE WARD. MY HUSBAND, A DISABLED MARINE VETERAN AND I. WE CHOSE TO RELOCATE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT OFFERED A PEACEFUL LIVING ENVIRONMENT, ONE WITHOUT CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC AND OVER CROWDING WE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM. TODAY ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS BECOME UNRECOGNIZABLE. I HAVE SEEN NUMEROUS HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD GOING UP FOR SALE.
>> WHEN WE ELECT OFFICIALS WE DO IT BASED ON THE PROMISES OF WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH AND HOW THEY PLEDGE THEY WILL REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I EXPECT INTEGRITY IN THOSE COMMITMENTS. AFTER LIVING IN THE COUNTY FOR EIGHT YEARS I WATCHED OFFICIALS SAY WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET ELECTED ONLY TO ABANDON THE PROMISES IN OFFICE. I HEARD EVERY EXCUSE.
ONE COMMON EXPLANATION IS THAT MANY OF THE PROJECTS WERE APPROVED 10, 15, 20 YEARS AGO AND NOW DEVELOPERS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE PROJECTS.
WHY IS NO ONE CRITICALLY EXAMINING THE INCREASING IMPACT OF THE OVERBUILDING? WE HAVE WITNESSED IT ONLY TO SEESEE PROJECTS APPROVED IN MERE SECONDS. THE PROMISES MADE TO VOTERS WERE JUST EMPTY WORDS. NOBODY IS AGAINST RESPONSIBLE GROWTH OR PROGRESS. APPROVING THOUSANDS OF NEW HOMES AND BUSINESSES REMAINS GRIDLOCKED MOST OF THE DAY REMAINS IRRESPONSIBLE.
WE ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESPONSE SERVICES, POLICE, FIRE, RESCUE BEING STRETCHED SO THIN IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY FIRST RESPONDERS
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MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE LIVES. ELLEN SMITH TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO ALLOW BUT FAILS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ST. JOHNS COUNTY A GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICY. CLEARLY STATING THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT IS A MAJOR CONSIDERATION WHEN EVALUATING REZONING REQUESTS.COUNTY ROAD 210 IS CURRENTLY RATED AT 171% DEFICIENT. A SITUATION THAT CAN'T BE REMEDIED BY ADDING A SINGLE LANE.
THE RECKLESS APPROVAL HAS CREATED A CRISIS.
THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY WOULD ADD 297 TOWNHOMES TO AN OVERWHELMED AREA TO A FAILING ROADWAY SYSTEM.
THIS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE GOVERNANCE OR PLANNING. THIS IS AN ABANDONMENT OF THE DUTY TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THIS COUNTY. I CALL ON YOU TO HALT FURTHER APPROVALS OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS UNTIL THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TIME TO CATCH UP.
WE DESERVE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO WILL HONOR COMMITMENTS AND PRIORITIZE RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH.
YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I HOPE YOU WILL.
>> WE WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR REGULAR COMMENT ON AGENDA
>> I AM HERE TO GIVE MY STATEMENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
IT IS ALL ABOUT TRAFFIC. THAT IS FOR SURE.
THE PROJECT WILL ADD TRAFFIC COUNTY STAFF TELLS US THERE IS NO MONEY TO IMPROVE THAT. WAIT.
WE DO WANT TO WIDEN IT TO SIX LANES, DON'T WE.
WON'T THAT INCREASE CAPACITY AND SUDDENLY MAKE EVERYTHING OKAY? LOOK AT LINE TWO.
SIX LANE WILL INCREASE YOUR SERVICE VOLUME TO 4,820.
RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY COMMISSION IN PAST YEARS HAS APPROVED SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COMMITTED TRAFFIC IS ALREADY ABOVE 6,000.
ANYTHING THAT GOES ON THE PROPERTY WILL INCREASE THAT, ANYTHING. ANY OF THE THREE OPTIONS.
AT 4,820, OKAY. THE SERVICE VOLUME GOES DOWN TO 125%. IT IS STILL OVERCROWDED.
STILL NOT WITHIN CAPACITY. MANY MEMBERS MENTIONED A1, 311.
SHALL NOT APPROVE IF AN IMCOMPATIBLE IMPACT.
ANY PROJECT. I AM PROPOSING SOMETHING BOLD.
A BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS POSITION STATEMET.
UNITED IN OUR BELIEF. TO THE APPLICANT.
WE STAND WITH OUR RESIDENTS. ALL THAT LIVE HERE AND MOVED HERE FOR THE GOOD LIFE. ALL OF THOSE THAT PUT THEIR TRUST IN US. WE HAVE GOALS AND POLICIES IN PLACE TO DIRECT THE BUILDING EFFORTS AND A1- 311 REQUIRINGA A PROJECT NOT CAUSE IMCOMPATIBLE IMPACT.
WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE RIGHTS TO PROCEED WITH OTHER PROJECTS AT THIS SITE. WE MUST STAND WITH A1- 31 1 1
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THANK YOU, SIR.>> I AGREE. MY NAME IS ED SLAVIN.
SEAT 4. THE ELECTION NOVEMBER 3RD NEXT YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE INTO THE RECORD A STATEMENT FROM HARRY CAMPBELL WHO ALREADY HAS TESTIFIED.
GARY HART WOULD SAY TO HIS STAFF IS IT BASED ON NEED OR GREED. HE WROTE THAT UP IN 1975.
HE GAVE HIS STAFF CONSIDERATIONS.
THIS PROPOSAL STINKS ON ICE. IT SHOULD BE DENIED.
I THINK IT IS OUTRAGEOUS THAT THE PAYTON FAMILY, BILLIONAIRES, ARE EVEN TAKING UP OUR TIME WITH THIS THING.
IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE AGENDA. IT FLUNKS THE LAUGH TEST.
IT FLUNKS THE SMELL TEST. THE OTHER WITNESSES SAID A1- 311, DENIAL. THE TRAFFIC IS UNTENABLE.
SPEAKING AS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A LICENSED DRIVER.
THE TRAFFIC IS UNTENABLE. YOU ARE GOING TO CAUSE PEOPLE TO DIE. OUR VICE CHAIR IS A FORMER HIGHWAY PATROL MAN. HE WORKED AUTOMOBILE WRECKS IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY ARE WE HERE? WHY IS THE PAYTON FAMILY PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA? MONEY.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
PLEASE DENY THIS. I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENTS WHO STATED THE LAW FIRM MADE MISLEADING POSITIONS SAYING THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING LOCATED THERE. THAT IS GEORGE MCCLURE.
MY FRIEND LARRY TUCKER IS A LOBBYIST, JOURNALIST, PHOTOGRAPHER.
HE HELPED TO PASS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY PROTECTION ACT AS A LEGISLATURE, AND LARRY TOLD ME, GOD REST HIS SOUL, THE ACT ALSO PROTECTS RESIDENTS AND THERE WOULD COME A TIME I COULD STAND AT THIS PODIUM AND TELL PEOPLE THE REASONABLE INVESTMENT EXPECTATIONS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THIS CASE ARE FAR MORE SIGNIFICANT AND WEIGHTY THAN THE INTEREST OF GREEDY DEVELOPERS LIKE THE PAYTONS. JUST SAY NO AND TURN IT DOWN AND PUT A TIMER ON IT. THEY CAN COME BACK IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS. JUST SAY NO TO THE PAYTONS.
>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.
>> CHARLIE HUNT. BACK IN 2018 THERE WASWAS ARTICLE PUT OUT. THERE WAS A QUOTE AT THE END OF IT SAYING, "THEY ARE WILLING TO WRITE CHECKS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO THIS DEVELOPMENT. " THAT CAME FROM THE ARTICLE WRITTEN ABOUT GRAND OAKS PUD PRIOR TOBE APPROVED. THE REP FOR THE DEVELOPERS.
AVERY SMITH WHO SAID IT. IT IS A QUOTE THAT IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARTICLE. IS IT MONEY AND WRITING CHECKS TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT? NONE. NOT COMPARING THE GRAND OAKS IS THE SAME AS THIS. WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE? WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE TO GET THIS HIGH END LUXURY APARTMENTS PUT RIGHT THERE THAT WILL DEFINITELY INCREASE THE
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TRAFFIC ISSUES ON 210. IT IS PROBABLY THAT QUOTE.YES. ALL OF THESE YEARS, I REMEMBERED THE ARTICLE. THAT IS WHY I HAD TO LOOK IT BACK UP. IT WAS IN 2018.
TO TYLER HERRO SAY YOU ARE -- HERE THEM SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO WRITE THE CHECKS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS MONEY. TREES, SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT AND MAKING IT GREEN.
IT DOES NOT BEAT THE MONEY. THE MONEY WILL STAY GREEN.
JUST LIKE THE FIASCO I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES BY THE COUNTY. THAT GOT HID.
BUT THIS ONE, LOOK AT IT. IF IT HAS TO BE HIGH END LUXURY APARTMENTS THEY WOULD START AGGRAVATING PEOPLE WHEN THEY TRY TO GET IN AND OUT.
THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IS IT OF A LOCATION THAT IS HIGHLY DEMANDING TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH END LUXURY TOWNHOUSE HOMES RIGHT THERE.
>> THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING. WELL, I DO NOT ENVY BEING IN YOUR SHOES RIGHT NOW. YOU WERE GIVEN THE PERFECT STORM. YOU HAVE HUGE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE UPSET WITH OVER DEVELOPMENT.
SOME OF Y'ALL WERE ELECTED ON THAT.
THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE. I AM GOING TO PUT ANOTHER ONE IN YOUR LAP. WE HAVE ANOTHER CRISIS.
THAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. NOW A LOT OF PLACES HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT OURS IS DIRECTLY TIED TO OUR ECONOMY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SERVICE OUR TOURIST INDUSTRY. I AM GOING TO TURN AROUND THE STATEMENT THAT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID.
HE SAID LET'S WORK WHERE YOU LIVE.
I AM GOING TO SAY LET'S LIVE WHERE YOU WORK.
THAT ALSO ADDRESSES YOUR TRAFFIC ISSUE IF YOU ARE NOT HAVING TO TO DRIVE FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS OR JACKSONVILLE TO GET TO YOUR WORK. I CAN'T SOLVE YOUR TRAFFIC ISSUE. I CAN TELL YOU, AND QUOTE MR. CAMPBELL HERE, THAT YOU CAN DO THE RIGHT THING HERE.
YOU CAN HELP PEOPLE THAT NEED AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE IF YOU DO THIS WITH THE LIVE LOCAL PLAN. THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES IN OUR COUNTY WHERE LIVE LOCAL WOULD WORK MAD BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND IT DOESN'T FIT WELL FOR THEIR IDEA OF WHAT THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE USED FOR.
I THINK IT IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.
I WILL LEAVE THAT IN YOUR LAP AND WISH YOU
WELL WITH IT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD.
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE THREE CHOICES.
I WANT TO CAUTION YOU NOT TO GIVE THEM EQUAL WEIGHT.
ONLY ONE OF THE PROPOSAL IS REAL, THE PROPOSAL MADE BY THE ATTORNEY AND THE OTHER ARE WORST CASE SCENARIOS.
THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 20 YEARS.
I FIND IT UNLIKELY IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO -- IF YOU VOTE
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AGAINST THE PROPOSAL THAT ALL OF THE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN ON THAT PROPERTY.IT HAS BEEN WEIGHTED BY THE ATTORNEY THAT WANTS TO ELL YOU ON THE PROJECT. THIS IS HOW BAD IT CAN BE IF YOU DO THIS.
FURTHE FURTHERMORE THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE PRESENTED, THE LIST THAT WAS GIVEN TO US OF 20 OR SO WAYS THAT THE KIND OF PROPERTY COULD BE USED. EVERY ONE OF THE WAYS SERVES THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE NOW. YET THIS PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BRING 1,000 PEOPLE HERE? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER FOR 300 TOWNHOMES. WE ARE LOOKING AT BRINGING ROOFTOPS HERE, INCREASING OUR POPULATION, INCREASING THE CROWDING OF OUR SCHOOLS.
WE ARE ALREADY TRYING TO FIND PARKING A T THE BEACHES.
IT WILL BE PUTTING BURDENS ON THE COUNTY.
THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT WERE LISTED ARE GOING TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. THIS IS JUST A THINKING OUT LOUD QUESTION. IF YOU SAY I AM SO WORRIED ABOUT THE TWO ALTERNATIVES, I AM GOING TO SAY YES TO THE PROJECT THAT WILL MAKE THE ROADS EVEN MORE OVER CAPACITY. I WONDER IF OTHERS ARE GOINGGOING SAY WOW.
THAT WORKED. I AM GOING TO TRY THAT.
INSTEAD OF THINKING IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL USES FOR LAND, WHICHWHICH THERE FOR A REASON, TO SERVE THE POPULATION. THEY ARE GOING TO SAY I WANT TO MAKE MORE MONEY ON A PUD AND TALK ABOUT THE BAD ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS AND HYPOTHETICALS.
ARE YOU IN A POSITION TO SAY NO TO THE NEXT DEVELOPER THAT SAYS THAT.
IS IT LOOKING HIKE YOU ARE GIVING MR. PAYTON PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT BY PASSING HIS.
ARE YOU OPENING THE FLOOD GATES SAYING YES TO THIS.
ANYWAY, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO START A NEW THOUGHT.
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I LIVE ANYMORE. WOULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING IF A DEVELOPER ACTUALLY WAS PUSHED INTO A CORNER AND BUILT A LIVE LOCAL ACT PROJECT. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THIS BILL THAT WAS PASSED, HORRIBLE AS IT IS AND THAT WE NEED TO GET RID OF IT.
WE DO USE IT AS A CARROT. IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, YOU ARE GOING TO GET THIS. WELL, ELLEN DID A GREAT JOB.
IF I EVER WIN THE LOTTERY AND I AM GOING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT, SHE WOULD BE MY GAL.
SHE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR JOB NOW.
IF I WERE SITTING IN THE CHAIR I WOULD TURN IT DOWN.
I WOULD LET IT PLAY OUT HOWEVER IT WILL PLAY OUT.
WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE BEAUTIFUL LOVELY TOWNHOUSES OR BEAUTIFUL LOVELY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. WE NEED A BASIC LIVING PLACE FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK HERE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE. IT DOESN'T NEED GRAND COUNTERTOPS IN THE KITCHEN OR AN EXTRA LARGE MASTER BEDROOM.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE TWO BEDROOMS. PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN HOUSES WHERE THEY HAVE FIVE SINGLES TOGETHER IN A 3/2 HOUSE, MAKING IT WORK SO THEY CAN LIVE HERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE MY AGE ARE LOOKING FOR A ONE BEDROOM WITH A FIRST FLOOR OR ELEVATOR WOULD BE NICE. A PLACE TO LIVE.
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WE ARE ALL GETTING PRICED OUT AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE WITH A SIX- FIGURE JOB. THEY CAN AFFORD IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT ON THE HIGHWAY. I AM TIRED OF HEARING THE SAME ARGUMENTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS AND THE PROPOSAL. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE NO GOOD CHOICES. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT GUN TO YOUR HEAD. IT IS NOT A CARROT.
IT IS A STICK. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS? WILL YOU GET A LIVE LOCAL ACT HOUSING HERE? YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT FROM MATTAMY HOMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY WANT HIGH END TOWNHOUSES. THEY COULD DO IT RIGHT NOW.
IF WE DENY IT THEY CAN DO THAT. PROVIDE HIGH END HOUSING ON THE PROPERTY. ALSO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL VENT VENTURES WITH THEM DOING NOTHING. THERE WOULD BE LIVE LOCAL HOUSING THERE IF IT WAS VIABLE. IT DOESN'T FIT THE ADDED TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY YOUR CHOICES. THEY ARE TO DO NOTHING.
IT WOULD BE TO REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL USE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. IT WOULD ALSO BE THE BEST USE.
THE THREAT OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT I DON'T THINK WILL PLAY OUT. IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT.
THEY WOULD SAY IF YOU DON'T APPROVE OUR PROJECT WE ARE GOING TO PUT LIVE LOCAL IN HERE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY PROJECT ON THAT BASIS.
>> GOOD MORNING. I WILL KEEP IT SHORT.
I THINK EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING.
DON'T VOTE OUT OF FEAR. I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. ONE PROJECT AT A TIME.
I DON'T LIKE BEING ENCOURAGED TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING OUT OF FEAR. I AM TIRED OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STUFF TOO. THE CLAIMS THAT EVERYBODY WORKS HERE CAN'T LIVE HERE. I AM NOT SURE THAT I BELIEVE THAT. I SEE A LOT OF SERVICE PEOPLE RIDING BICYCLES. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE RIDING A BICYCLE FROM PUTNAM COUNTY. LET'S GET REAL NUMBERS TOGETHER. I DON'T WANT TO VOTE OUT OF FEAR. I DON'T WANT YOU EITHER.
I THINK THE ATTORNEYS NEED A BETTER STRATEGY THAN THAT.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> YOU CAN TELL I DON'T SPEAK IN PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS JOHN COCHANSKI IN SANDY CREEK.
AS THIS WOMAN SAID THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT WERE SHARED.
YOU ALL HAVE A HARD DECISION TO MAKE.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP WHAT YOU COMMISSIONERS VOTED ON LAST YEAR. THAT WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO PUT IN NEW TOWNHOMES. THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD DO
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THAT AND ISSUE CERTIFICATES WAS TO BUILD A CONNECTING ROAD BETWEEN SANDY CREEK PARKWAY AND MOON BAY.MAYBE 1,000 CARS. ALL GOING OVER TO MOON BAY OR IT WON'T CONNECT TO SANDY CREEK. I WONDER WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO MOON BAY. NONE OF US SHOULD BE VOTING ON ANYTHING DUE TO FEAR. MATTAMY'S ATTORNEY POINTED OUT THINGS LIKE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING BUILT THERE.
ALL OF US IF WE HAVE LOVELY WOODS AND STUFF NEXT TO THE HOMES, WHO WANTS THOSE TAKEN DOWN? I HOPE THE PROBLEM THAT EXISTS NOW FOR THOSE 334 HOMES OR HOWEVER THERE ARE IN SANDY CREEK.
THE PROBLEM EXISTS NOW. WHEN BRIDGEWATER IS BUILT OUT, AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT IT WILL BE BUILT OUT AND LAST YEAR. IT IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE.
VOTE AGAINST THIS PROJECT UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN.
UNLIKE WHAT THE ATTORNEY SAID, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T WANT ANYTHING BUILT THERE. MOST OF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. THEY JUST WANTED THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE NOW.
SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC
COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS. I AM GOING TO HAVE MR. DAVIS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE. I HAVE A TOUGH JOB AS A LAWYER.
I HAVE TO STRUCTURE THE PEOPLEPEOPLE THE AUDIENCE ABOUT THE LAW. IT IS NOT MY INTENT TO BE MEAN OR CAUSE FEAR BUT TO STRUCTURE ON WHAT THE LAW
THERE WAS A MENTION OF SANDY CREEK AND THE ELEVATION TO THE CROSSING OF SAMPSON CREEK. FOR US AS APPLICANTS, THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW AND OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT. IT HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER.
2017, WE HAD BACK-TO- BACK HURRICANES.
ALL OF NORTH FLORIDA WAS FLOODED.
THIS ONE COMMUNITY WASN'T SINGLED OUT.
IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST STORM EVENTS WE HAVE.
THESE ROADS BASED ON YOUR CODE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY CODE IS NOT BUILT FOR HURRICANES. THEY ARE NOT.
THE ROADS WOULD BE WAY UP IN THE AIR IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
THEY ARE BUILT FOR SPECIFIC STORM EVENTS.
AS IT RELATES TO OUR PROJECT WE HAVE TO MEET SOMETHING CALLED PRE-POST. ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT IS FINISHED WE CAN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL WATER LEAVING THE PROPERTY THAN IS ALREADY THERE TODAY.
ONCE IT IS CONSTRUCTED THE PROJECT WILL NOT AFFECT
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THAT. WE ARE NOT IN TO DESIGN YET.WE COMMIT WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MEETING EVERY CODE THE STATE OF FLORIDA PUTS UP AS WELL AS THE COUNTY.
>> GOING BACK TO THE PROJECT. CAN YOU PUT OUR PRESENTATION BACK UP? GOING BACK AS AN OVERVIEW, THE FACTS ARE THAT THE PROPERTY HAS A MIXED USE DISTRICT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TODAY.
THAT IS THE FACT. IT HAS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURISTS TODAY. TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW 297 HIGH END TOWNHOME UNITS AT 6. 27 UNITS PER ACRE, AND NOT LIVE LOCAL APARTMENTS. I'M SORRY.
I AM GOING TO FLIP PAST IT AT 13 UNITS PER ACRE.
OR ALLOW COMMERCIAL USE WHICH WOULD BE THE LEAST COMPATIBLE USE BEING PROPOSED. ONE SPEAKER TALKED ABOUT NOT WANTING HIGH DENSITY RENTIAL.
THIS IS 6. 27 UNITS PER ACRE AND NOT 13 UNDER LIVE LOCAL BY THE WAY. JUST APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE THREE PLUS YEARS AGO. LIVE LOCAL IS A RELATIVELY NEW THING AND THERE ARE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS BEING CONSTRUCTED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY. SOME HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND OTHERS ARE UNDER CORRECTION. IT IS A REAL THING.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE IT ON OUR TEAM.
WE ARE NOT DEBATING COUNTY ROAD 210 IS OVER CAPACITY.
THE DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TODAY DO YOU ALLOW DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE EXISTING LAND USE AND ZONING. AS SOME MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL FOR 17,000 DAILY TRIPS. DO YOU ALLOW LIVE LOCAL LOCAL IS PROBABLY THE THING THAT WOULD OCCUR IF YOU DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR 4,000 UNITS.
I AM SORRY. 4,000 DAILY TRIPS.
THAT WOULD BE 600 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
I APPRECIATE THIS. SHE IS A BIG ADVOCATE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS. DO THE RESIDENTS IN SANDY CREEK WANT FOUR STORY APARTMENTS, AND 600 OF THEM AS A MATTER OF RIGHT. LIVE LOCAL IS RELATIVELY NEW AND IT IS WORKING IN VARIOUS PORTIONS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THE MATTAMY PROPOSAL IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL TRAFFIC WISE ON COUNTY ROAD 210.
THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. I REALIZE THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION AND I KNOW SOCIAL MEDIA IS UNKIND. PEOPLE THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT DECISIONS ARE.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN SPIRITED ABOUT IT.
WE ARE PRESENTING YOU THE OPTIONS THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAS HAVING HAD THE PROPERTY APPROVED FOR LAND USE AND ZONING FOR 35 YEARS.
HOW MUCH IMPACT WILL THERE BE ON COUNTY ROAD 210? THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD SOMETHING ON THE PROPERTY WHETHER 210 IS EVER FIXED OR NOT. THAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT.
THEY CAN BUILD A MULTIFAMILY LIVE LOCAL APARTMENT ON THIS PROPERTY AND START CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THE FOUR LANE IS EVEN COMPLETED. THAT IS ALLOWED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT UNDER THE LAW. REALLY THE TOUGH DECISION FOR YOU TODAY IS WHICH OF THESE OPTIONS DO YOU PREFER? I DON'T SAY IT UNKINDLY. I REALIZE IT IS A DIFFICULT
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DECISION. GOING WITH COMMISSIONER MURPHY'S REQUEST ABOUT THE DUAL TURN LANES, IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE, AND WE NEED TO CONFER WITH STAFF TO SEE IF IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO CONSIDER THAT IF THAT HELPS THE SITUATION WITH TRAFFIC.>> MISS AVERY- SMITH IS CORRECT. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO OBLIGATE THE DEVELOPMENT TO DO SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO AN INTERSECTION WITHOUT STAFF GOING THROUGH TO VET A DESIGN WHICH WE HAVE NOT DONE AT THIS POINT. WE WOULD PREFER NO OBLIGATION TO FORCE AN UNNECESSARY AND POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT WITHOUT IT GOING THROUGH STAFF.
>> THAT IS THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.
WE ARE HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I AM GOING TO DO TRUST AND VERIFY HERE FOR A MOMENT. YOU ARE A TRANSPORTATION EXPERT.
CAN YOU VERIFY THE TRIP COUNT THE APPLICANT IS ASSERTING, 16,393 DAILY TRIPS IS ACCURATE.
>> THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE FOR THOSE LAND USE.
THAT WOULD BE THE TOP END RANGE. IT COULD BE LOWER.
LOOKING AT IT AS THE HIGH END. USED COUNTY ROAD 210.
THE SAME THING WITH THE DAY CARE.
MAYBE LESS WITH THE DAY CARE AND MORE FOR STORAGE.
SOME MIGHT DRAW PEOPLE FURTHER AWAY.
A GAS STATION, YOU ARE GETTING PEOPLE TYPICALLY ALREADY ON THE ROAD.
CERTAINLY IT COULD BE A LOWER GENERATION BASED OFF OF
>> THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT WE SAW THE APPLICANT DISCUSSING ARE THE 3,921 DAILY TRIPS FOR THE 600 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX. IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> THE 1,97 DAILY TRIPS UP HERE. IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> OKAY. I NEED THE COUNTY'S EXPERT TO VERIFY THAT ACCURATE INFORMATION.
I WANTED TO, AGAIN, VERIFY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A LEGAL RIGHT.
>> DOES THIS APPLICANT HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BUILD A LIVE LOCAL ACT PROJECT UP TO 600 APARTMENT UNITS?
>> SO, LIVE LOCAL ESTABLISHES CERTAIN DENSITIES, HEIGHTS, FLOOR RATIOS. I HAVE NOT CHECKED THE MATH ON THAT, BUT THE PROJECT GIVEN THE ZONING IS ELIGIBLE UNDER LIVE LOCAL. I WILL STATE EVEN UNDER LIVE LOCAL MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENTS STILL NEED TO MEET ALL OTHER LAND USE CODES AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
THOSE ARE STILL REQUIRED. IF THEY MEET EVERYTHING IT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN AN INDUSTRY EXPERT FOR YEARS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF SOME OF THE THINGS I
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AM CONSIDERING BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION.ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE STATE'S CASE LAW?
>> THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS A CASE LITIGATED BACK IN THE 90S SAYING COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO CONSIDER QUASI- JUDICIAL ITEMS LIKE THE ONE WE ARE CONSIDERING TODAY.
>> YES. I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
>> WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS BY LAW WITH THE EVIDENCE. I AM TRYING TO SINK MY TEETH INTO THE EVIDENCE. YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU ARE AN EXPERT.
SOMETHING I AM TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND YOU HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
TRAFFIC. THIS IS THE ONLY SITUATION THAT I CAN REMEMBER IN OVER FOUR YEARS ON THE BOARD WHERE A DENIAL WILL RESULT IN MORE TRAFFIC THAN APPROVAL.
PLEASE HELP ME RECONCILE YOUR DESIRE TO REDUCE OR IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION WITH YOUR REQUEST FOR THE BOARD TO DENY THE PROJECT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE JUST HEARD ARE THE FACTS OF HIGHER TRIP COUNTS FOR DENIAL THAN IT IS FOR AN APPROVAL?
>> I WOULD BE ADVISING THAT THE ADVERSE IMPACT OF BUILDING A DEVELOPMENT IS A GROUNDS FOR DENIAL AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER CAN TESTIFY THAT ALL OF THESE ARE ADVERSE.
THEY ARE ALL NEGATIVE. THEREFORE YOU HAVE GROUNDS TO DENY. YOUR EVEN IF LIVE LOCAL IS GOING TO A STAFF REVIEW, STAFF HAS TO FOLLOW THE COMP PLAN. ADVERSE IMPACT IS ADVERSE IMPACT EVEN IF IT IS A STAFF REVIEW. DENY WITHOUT A BASIS OF APPROVAL WOULD BE GROUNDS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HIRE ME AND COME IN TO TESTIFY THAT THIS IS ADVERSE IMPACT. YOUR COMP PLAN SAYS THIS.
YOU WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED IT. WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY OCCUR IS THAT WHETHER IT IS A JUDGE OR A JURY, THERE WOULD BE A DECISION WHETHER IT IS REASONABLE UNDER YOUR COMP PLAN WITH THE DENIAL OR FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD STANDPOINT OR HOA STANDPOINT, SOMETHING THAT HAS ADVERSE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
>> I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. IS IT THE HOPE IF IT IS DENIED TODAY THE 297 MARKET RATE TOWNHOMES STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO DENY WHAT IS ENTITLED BASED ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL WITH A TRAFFIC COUNT?
>> YEAH. ONCE THE BASIS OF ALLOWING IT WHEN YOU SAY SHALL NOT.
>> I OBJECT TO THIS. MR. CAMPBELL HASN'T ESTABLISHED HE IS AN ATTORNEY. HE IS COMING TO A LEGAL CONCLUSION.
>> I AM ASKING FOR HIS OPINION.
>> LET ME COVER WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
I WOULD BE ADVISING COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN DIRECTOR. I WOULD BE ADVISING THEM THAT THIS IS FACTUAL BASIS. YES, IT IS YOUR DETERMINATION AS TO WHEN YOU SAY THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO DENY OR THAT THE IMPACT IS ADVERSE, WHETHER IT IS A BOARD LEVEL OR AT A STAFF LEVEL.
THAT IS THE DECISION THAT YOU MAKE. THAT IS WHY I WILL NEVER RUN FOR ELECTED OFFICE.
>> MR. CAMPBELL, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
YOU ARE NOT ASSERTING YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY OR LEGAL EXPERT.
>> I ADVISE ATTORNEYS ALL OF THE TIME.
I DO THIS FOR A LIVING. MY OBJECTIVE IS TO PROVIDE
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ADEQUATE EVIDENCE.>> I WANT TO MAKE A FINAL STATEMENT.
I HAVE BEEN DRIVING THE ROADS FOR MANY YEARS.
I CAN NEITHER CONFIRM NOR DENY WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL I GOT A MUSTANG UP TO 100 MILES PER HOUR ON THESE ROADS. THE ONLY THING YOU WOULD HIT OUT THERE IN THE 90S WAS MOSQUITOES.
I REMEMBER WHEN SANDY CREEK DID NOT EXIST.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I DON'T THINK THERE IS TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. I HAVE BEEN STUCK IN IT MANY TIMES. MY DAUGHTERS, 9 AND 6 ARE GOING TO LEARN TO DRIVE ON THESE ROADS AND I VOTED TO DENY MANY PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTIES BASED ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT BEING READY FOR DEVELOPMENT. THE ISSUE WHERE I AM CONFLICTED, I THINK POSSIBLY THE BEST THING FOR THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, THE LOWEST TRIP COUNT AS AN OPTION IN FRONT OF ME TODAY IS THE 279 MARKET RATE TOWNHOMES. TO DENY AND THEN TO HOPE NOTHING IS BUILT. I AM NOT SURE THAT IS AN EFFECTIVE STRATEGY. I AM NOT SURE IF I CAN LIVE WITH MYSELF IF WE DENIED SOMETHING TODAY THAT LED TO MORE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS. WE HAVE FACTS.
WE HAVE DATA IN FRONT OF US I AM REQUIRED BY LAW AND HAVE A DUTY TO CONSIDER. IT IS NOT CLOSE WITH THE DENIAL.
I AM LEANING IN FAVOR OF VOTING YES BECAUSE I THINK IT IS THE BEST THING FOR TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. THANK YOU.
>> I AM GOING TO JUMP IN. UNLESS YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM. THEY ARE NOT FACTS THAT SOMEONE WILL DO LIVE LOCAL. NO FACTS SOMEONE WILL HAVE A CHARTER SCHOOL THERE. THERE ARE NO FACTS ON ANY OF THAT. I THINK THE WAY THAT IT IS ZONED NOW IS EXCELLENT IF MISS IRVING TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IF YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL IN THERE, YOU ARE GIVING PEOPLE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY LIVE SOMEWHERE TO WORK.
IS THAT TRAFFIC GOING TO GO OUT ON 210 TO GET THERE? HOW IS THE TRAFFIC COUNT WHEN IT IS CLOSE TO AN AREA OF A LOT OF PEOPLE. WHEN THAT 1,000 HOMES GET BUILT OUT THERE, HOW IS THAT?
>> SO, THE WAY THAT WE DO TRAFFIC COUNTS AND RUN OUR SPREADSHEET IS BASED OFF OF THE LINKS. WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT IS GOING ON MOON BAY OR SANDY CREEK PARKWAY.
WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS GOING ON FOR THE INTENTS OF WHO IS DRIVING ON THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, IF THE PLANNED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WERE TO OCCUR WITH THE NEARLY 17,000 TRIPS, YOU KNOW, BRIDGEWATER DOES NOT GENERATE 17,000.
SANDY CREEK DOES NOT GENERATE 17,000.
THEY ARE COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY COULD BE COMING FROM OVER THE BRIDGE.
THEY COULD BE COMING FROM AS FAR -- WHEN WE DO OUR ANALYSIS SPREADSHEETS.
36. 1 IS THE LINK IN QUESTION. WE HAVE EVERYTHING AROUND IT.
ALL FROM TWIN CREEKS. THESE RESERVATIONS ARE COMING FROM A LARGE RADIUS. BASED OFF OF THE ANALYSIS AND PLUGGING A NEW PROJECT IN. YOU DO THESE DISTRIBUTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. I GUESS THAT MY POINT IS IF YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL IN THERE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE TO WORK. THERE ARE PICKLEBALL COURTS, ME IT IS LOGICAL TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF TOWNHOMES.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MURPHY.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. BEFORE YOU GO, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME.
YOU SPEAK A LOT ABOUT LIVE LOCAL TODAY.
I KNOW THAT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.
THAT IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE FOR US AND WHAT IT WILL ACTUALLY MEAN GOING FORWARD TO THE COUNTY. MY QUESTION TO YOU HOW MANY PROJECTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED CONSTRUCTION ENTLY IN - OR GOING TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW?
>> I DO NOT HAVE THAT OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WE HAVE ONE APPROVED ON STATE ROAD 16.
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I AM GOING TO DEFER TO MR. ROBERTSON.>> MIKE ROBERTSON, GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR THROUGH THE CHAIR. WE HAVE ONE THERE AT MISSION TRACE. THERE AT 16.
WE HAVE ONE DOWN ON NORTH 207 NEAR I-95.
WE HAD A COUPLE I THINK IN THE PIPELINE.
I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
WE HAVE ONE BREAKING GROUNDGROUND MISSION TRACE.
>> WE HAVE FOUR IN THE COUNTY IN CONSTRUCTION OR IN THE PIPELINE.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT IS ACCURATE.
>> YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE AS A COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GONE TO OUR LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SAID LIVE LOCAL TAKES OUR ABILITY TO MAKE OUR OWN DETERMINATION. WE ARE VERY MUCH AGAINST THAT.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD SPECIFICALLY IS THAT LIVE LOCAL IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WE ARE STUCK WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE I KEEP THINKING THERE WILL BE AN EASY DAY ON THE BOARD. THE EASY DAY WAS YESTERDAY.
THE EASY VOTE IS TO PUSH IT OFF. I DON'T THINK I WAS PUT HERE TO MAKE EASY VOTES AS EVIDENT BY TODAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> IS YOUR LIGHT OFF? ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> I WILL MAKE A COMMENT. WELL DONE COMMISSIONER MURPHY.
I HEARD THE SAME. LIVE LOWELL LOCAL IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND IT IS A REALITY.
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, YOU MENTIONED YOUR DAUGHTERS DRIVING ON THE ROAD.
MY 16-YEAR- OLD DAUGHTER DOES DRIVE THE ROADS EVERY DAY TO HER HIGH SCHOOL. IT IS TERRIFYING.
WE KNOW THEY NEED TO BE IMPROVED.
WE KNOW THE PROJECT GIVES US IMPACT FEES ALLOWING US TO IMPROVE THE AREA. WE ARE BEING FACED WITH A DIFFICULT DECISION. IT IS PICKING THE PROJECT TO GIVE US THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT.
THIS IS A VOTE TO REDUCE TRAFFIC TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. THAT IS WHERE I STAND.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR COMMENT? MY LAST COMMENT IS I AM NOT GOING TO SLEEP AT NIGHT IF I PUT MORE TRAFFIC ON THE COUNTY ROADS.
I WAS SEEING IF THIS WILL GO FOR ME. I DON'T KNOW IF I AM GOING TO SEE -- WHAT ABOUT A PARK? THAT COULD GO ON THAT SITE.
IT COULD BE ANYTHING. WE ARE VOTING ON SOMETHING SOMEONE TOLD US COULD HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY.
MAYBE. MAYBE IT WILL. MUSK CAN HAVE A ROCKET LAUNCHING PLACE. I AM NOT PUTTING ANYMORE TRAFFIC ON 210 AND PUTTING THE LIVES OF COMMISSIONER ARNOLD'S DAUGHTERS AND OUR CHILDREN IN JEOPARDY. I'M SORRY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS DISTRICT 5, WHICH I REPRESENT. I AM SITTING IN THE SEAT TODAY BECAUSE SO MANY RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY DO NOT FEEL REPRESENTED. IT IS NOTHING SHORT OF A MIRACLE I AM SITTING HERE TODAY. I RECEIVED MANY E- MAILS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH OF YOU ARE LOOKING AT. I WOULD NOT BE SITTING HERE IF I WERE FEARFUL. EVERYTHING MUST BE MET WITH THE STAFF REVIEW. SO, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONDITIONS THAT MUST BE MET. WE CANNOT NEGATE OR THINK ABOUT
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THAT. SO, SOME OF IT IS REPRESENTING DISTRICT 5. I CAN'T THANK EVERYONE ENOUGH FOR SPEAKING TODAY. IT IS ONE THING TO GET AN EMAIL.I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE OF YOU THAT TOOK THE TIME TO SPEAK AND TO REPRESENT SO MANY OTHER NEIGHBORS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT I COULD SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT I VOTED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I COULDN'T DO IT. BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I UNDERSTAND EVEN THOUGH SOMEONE HAS A RIGHT TO PUT MORE CARS ON 210, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD.
>> I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. JUST TO CLARIFY, I AM GOING TO BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO PUT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON THE ROAD.
I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. TO ME HAVING 1,900 EXTRA TRIPS VERSUS ALMOST 17,000 EXTRA TRIPS.
THERE IS NO COMPARISON WHAT WILL BE SAFER.
>> WE DON'T GET TO TALK. THAT IS STILL NOT A FACT.
>> I AM VOTING ON WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING TO US.
>> THE REASON I BROUGHT THE STAFF UP HERE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE AND THE REASON I ASKED THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BUILD. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. WE KNOW IT IS A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS. WE KNOW THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO THE THINGS THEY ARE PROPOSING. A LOT OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN, BUT THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO IT. THE TRIP COUNTS ARE A FACT.
IF THEY WERE TOBUILD WHAT THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BUILD.
>> PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BUILD SOMETHING AND AREARE THE BUSINESS OF MAKING A PROFIT BY BUILDING THINGS.
>> THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY PUT PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS COURTS ON.
HE HAS A RIGHT TO BUILD LIVE LOCAL ON THERE AND HASN'T DONE THAT. I AM VOTING ON WHAT IS BROUGHT TO ME TODAY.
>> CAN YOU PUT THE MOTION UP ON THE SCREEN.
YES. I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY PUD2024 BASED ON TEN FINDINGS OF FACTS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.
>> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> I WILL MOVE TO INACT ORDINANCE 2025-2024.
13 BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES, 3-2.
ALL RIGHT. SHOULD WE BREAK FOR LUNCH.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM.
LET'S BREAK FOR LUNCH. BY THE WAY, THERE IS NO FOOD TRUCK. THEY ARE ALL BUSY THIS SUMMER. THEY CANNOT COME OUT. LET'S GET BACK HERE AT 1:00.
[2. Comprehensive Plan Update: Population Projections. St. Johns County is in the process of developing an updated Comprehensive Plan. At the regular BCC meeting on March 18, 2025 the County's consultant, Inspire Placemaking Collective (Inspire), provided clarifications to future calculations for parks and recreation space and information about medium population projections for the County. The Board directed Inspire to utilize medium population projections as the basis for the 2050 Comprehensive Plan. Inspire subsequently revised relevant Data and Analysis documents and has provided a redline for review. ]
>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK FROM LUNCH. AGENDA ITEM TWO. MICHAEL
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ROBERSON . HOW ARE YOU? I SEE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING OVERTIME.>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK. I WILL STAND IN FOR MIKE. CHRIS WITH PLACE MAKING COLLECTIVE OUT OF ORLANDO. THIS IS A PRESENTATION . WE ARE JUMPING THROUGH IT ALREADY. I WILL BACK THIS UP IF I CAN. THIS IS TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS THE COMMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PRIOR UPDATE WHERE WE ARE GOING AHEAD AND EVALUATING THE PLAN BASED ON MEDIAN PROJECTION. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS AND HOW THESE THINGS WERE DERIVED AND HOW WE PLAN USING THOSE NUMBERS. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CARRYING CAPACITY, HOW THAT HAS CHANGED AND THE CHANGES TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS WE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH THE RECREATION SPACE. BEFORE I DIVE INTO THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WE UTILIZE THE SAME METHODOLOGY WE CAME UP WITH , THE MEDIUM FALLS WITHIN THAT SAME PARAMETER IN TERMS OF WHAT DATA SETS WERE USED TO DEVELOP THOSE NUMBERS.
THEY ESSENTIALLY ESTABLISH A GOAL POST. SO WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO AT THE END OF THE PLANNING HORIZON. UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL BE COMING BACK AND WE WILL BUILD THIS IN THE REDLINE'S HE WILL BE SEEING VERY SOON. A STOPGAP AT EVERY SEVEN YEARS AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO EVALUATE THIS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. NOT ONLY WILL THEY LOOK AT THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS.
WE WILL LOOK AT THE CARRYING CAPACITY TO BE SURE WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO WHAT DID WE UPDATE? YOU CAN SEE ON THE TABLE WE JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM WITH YOU ALL THAT WE DID GO AHEAD AND MAKE THESE CHANGES BASED ON THE NEW VALUES THAT THE MEDIAN PROJECTIONS PROVIDE . THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WERE IMPACTED, FUTURE LAND USE, HOUSING, INFRASTRUCTURE, RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE , THESE ARE THE MEDIAN PROJECTIONS BASED ON THAT ORIGINAL METHODOLOGY. THIS METHODOLOGY WE UTILIZED FOR PLANNING. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY WE'VE UPDATED USING THIS METHODOLOGY THAT'S BEEN FETID BY THE LAND AGENCY AS WELL AS THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. JUST REALLY QUICKLY, SOME STATISTICS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE COMPARISON. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MEDIUM HIGH, THE MEDIUM HIGH HAD US OUT TO ABOUT 545,000 FOLKS BY 2050. THAT IS A REDUCTION OF LESS -- ROUGHLY 65,000 PEOPLE IN THE FULL HORIZON OF THE PLAN. ALSO I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON HOW WE ARRIVED AT MEDIUM-HIGH. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT. BETWEEN 2019 AND 2024, THAT FIVE YEARS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY EXPERIENCED A GROWTH OF ABOUT 75,000 PEOPLE. AGAIN, THAT WAS THE TREND THAT LED UP TO THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR MEDIUM-HIGH. I WANT TO BE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CAME FROM A HISTORIC GROWTH RATE TREND .
THAT IS WHAT WE WERE EVALUATING WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL PROJECTIONS . OKAY. MOVING ON . LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE OF THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS VERSUS THE CARRYING CAPACITY, YOU CAN SEE THE MEDIUM-HIGH IN GREEN OBVIOUSLY A MUCH HIGHER TRAJECTORY . THEN OF COURSE THE MEDIAN PROJECTION IN BLUE AND THE CARRYING CAPACITY IS THAT STABLE NUMBER . THAT 172,000 FOLKS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CAN ACCOMMODATE. IN SIMPLE TERMS, WHAT THIS MEANS IS AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE IN THESE FIVE-YEAR INCREMENTS, THE CAPACITY WILL BE DEPLETED OVER TIME . WE SUGGESTED ABOUT 2040 AND 2045 WE WILL BE BUMPING UP AGAINST THE CARRYING CAPACITY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES
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FOR THE INCREASING DENSITY BASED ON THESE PROJECTIONS. DOES THAT MEAN WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY, DOES THAT MEAN LOOKING AT SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES TO INCREASE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY? WE STARTED TO BUILD INTO THE REDLINES SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT. YOU WILL BE SEEING THAT. IT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL AT OUR NEXT UPDATE. I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 61,000 UNITS THAT THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP CAN ACCOMMODATE . THE HOMEBUILDERS HAVE PROVIDED EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS LESS CAPACITY. THEY ARE SPEAKING FROM THE ENTITLEMENTS AND ZONING LEVEL, BUT STILL THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT SLOWER. IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AS WE EVALUATE THE PLAN EVERY SEVEN YEARS. LET'S GO BACK TO THIS. YOU HAD ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR PARKS. WE HAD A FOUR TIER STRUCTURE CURRENTLY IN THE ADOPTED PLAN. THE NEIGHBOR PARKED, COMMUNITY PARK DISTRICT PARK. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WAS CONSIDERED AS GOT CREATED AN IMBALANCE. WE HAD LARGE ACREAGE FOR OPEN ARE INCLUDING STATE LANDS THAT THEY TOLD US WE NEED TO CALCULATE WHAT THEY DID WAS WE ARE PROPOSING AN ACTIVE AND A PASSIVE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE LEVEL OF SERVICE.THIS WILL ONLY APPLY TO COUNTY PARKS WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THAT IS WHAT YOU CAN CONTROL. LOOKING OUT WITH THE CURRENT SURPLUS OR DEFICIT, IT KEEPS JUMPING AHEAD OF ME. THIS IS BASED ON THE MEDIAN PROJECTION SHOWING THAT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS WE ARE AT A CURRENT DEFICIT AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A DEFICIT IF WE DON'T BRING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS . COMMUNITY PARKS, NOT GOING TO DIG INTO THE NUMBERS. THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE CHANGE. AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE INCLUDING THAT 47,000 ACRES WHICH INCLUDES THE STATE AND FEDERAL PROPERTIES. IF YOU WERE TO LUMP ALL OF THE LAND TOGETHER WE ARE AT ABOUT 48,000. THERE IS A HUGE SURPLUS. IF WE ARE LOOKING AT ACTIVE VERSUS PASSIVE , WE ARE LOOKING AT FIVE ACRES . WE ARE AT ROUGHLY 190 ACRES CURRENTLY ON ACTIVE PARKS WHICH WE KIND OF ALREADY UNDERSTOOD. THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH ACTIVE PARKS . WE HEARD THAT TODAY. LOOKING AT PASSIVE WE HAVE A LARGE PASSIVE RECREATION LAND AND FACILITIES ALREADY. WE ARE LOOKING AT A SURPLUS. NOT A HUGE NEED IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT BASED ON THE DEMAND SIDE . OKAY. SO THAT IS IT . THAT IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT HAS CHANGED BASED ON WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS UPDATES. THE PLAN IS TO REVIEW AND GO OVER THE REDLINES, GOALS PROJECTIONS AND POLICIES ON MAY 20. WE ARE TENTATIVELY LOOKING AT JUNE 5 FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THAT IS ALL LEADING UP TO THE DEADLINE FOR THE APPRAISAL PROCESS.
>> IF YOU PUT IN A CALM PLAN THAT A DEVELOPMENT WILL PUT IN SO MANY ACRES THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IN .
>> WE HAD THIS COME UP RECENTLY. THAT IS WHAT THE COUNTY SAYS
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IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE AS A SERVICE. HOW YOU GET TO THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. YOU CAN DO IMPACT FEES, YOU CAN REQUIRE DEDICATION OF LAND. YOU CAN SAY, FOR DEVELOPMENTS OVER 100 ACRESTHEY MUST PROVIDE X, Y, AND SEE. >> SO THAT DOES NOT GO TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? >> I HAD A QUESTION. I KNOW YOU HAVE PASSIVE PARKS AND ACTIVE PARKS.
>> WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME MAY HAVE BOTH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. AT THIS CASE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PRIMARY USE OF THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY. ACTIVE INCLUDES BALLFIELDS , BASEBALL FIELDS, SOCCER FIELDS, SOFTBALL FIELDS, YOU NAME IT. PASSIVE TENDS TO BE MORE LIKE CONSERVATION LANDS WITH TRAILS . THERE IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STRUCTURE
INVOLVED WITH THE FACILITY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR PUBLIC
COMMENT? >> I HAVE NONE. LET'S TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
>> THANK YOU. >> JUDY SPIEGEL. I FIRST OF ALL HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT WE WERE SCHEDULED FOR MAY 20 MEETING AND I WONDERED IF THAT IS STILL THE CASE. THAT I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD NIGHT IF WE ARE DOING THE EVENING . I HOPE IT GETS STARTED OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AND TALK. I THINK I FORGOT THE OTHER THING I
WAS GOING TO SAY. >> LET ME CONFIRM. MAY 20 IS AN EVENING MEETING AND I THINK IT STARTS HERE AT 5:00. NOT THE BAR
OR RESTAURANT. >> ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT? >> AUSTIN NICHOLAS , PARKWAY JACKSONVILLE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE DATA USED IN THESE POPULATION PROJECTIONS DUE TO THE CONFLICT WITH MUCH OF THE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED DATA. THE CONSULTANT STILL MAINTAINS THERE ARE 61,000 POTENTIAL UNITS TO BE BUILT . IT IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE DATA REPORT SHOWING HOW IT'S INACCURATE. THE JACKSONVILLE BUSINESS JOURNAL SAID THE NUMBER IS ABOUT 31,000 BUILDABLE UNITS WHICH CUTS THE LOTS CURRENTLY APPROVED -- BY ALMOST HALF. WE ARE WORRIED THE COUNTY IS NOT MEETING STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS WITH THESE LOT DISCREPANCIES. THE SHORTFALL IN HOUSING TO 13,000 UNITS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS OF 28,482 UNITS . AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THAT NUMBER OF 61,000 WAS REEVALUATED ACCORDING TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF PRESENTATION. THE REDLINES HAVE A -- ADDED THE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY FOR 15 YEARS SHOULD STAY THE SAME THROUGH 2045. ONE THING THAT IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED IS THE LENGTH OF TIME BETWEEN APPROVAL AND WHEN THOSE SLOTS ACTUALLY COME ONLINE. THAT IS NOW TAKING UP TO FIVE YEARS. FOR PLANNING 10 YEARS SO THEY ARE COMING ONLINE AT THAT TEN-YEAR POINT UNDER THE CURRENT PROJECTIONS RUN OUT OF THE CURRENT AVAILABLE LOTS AND 10 YEARS. WE DON'T JUST SNAP HER FINGERS AND THE LOTS APPEAR .
THEY COME ONLINE IN 2030. AS ALWAYS WE REALLY THINK THE STAFF
FOR ALL IT'S HARD WORK. >> IT AFTERNOON.
>> IT AFTERNOON. JOE, 1005 HACKBERRY LANE. INITIALLY I WAS
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NOT CONCERNED. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SEE AN UPDATE FROM INSPIRE PRESENTING US WITH MEETING PROJECTIONS. I DID HEAR THAT HOMEBUILDERS WOULD BE HERE. HOMEBUILDERS TOOK EXCEPTION TO MANY OF THE ITEMS . I AM SURPRISED THE AUDITORIUM IS NOT FULL. WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION FOR SOME TIME. IN FEBRUARY THE COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THAT INSPIRE AT LEAST ANALYZED SOME POPULATION. THE RESULTS ARE IN , BY MY MATH THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE GROW . THE NUMBERS THAT WE GROW FOR MEDIUM-HIGH. THE BACK AND FORTH OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE. WE HEARD 56,000 AND THEN SUDDENLY WE HEARD 31,000. TODAY WE HEAR LESS. I CAN TELL YOU WHEN YOU GO TO THE ACTIVITY AND CLICK THE LITTLE X THAT GIVES YOU THE REPORT. THEY HAVE DONE THEIR CALCULATIONS WITHOUT RESPECT . THEY HAVE SIMPLY LOOKED AT THE DENSITY WITHIN EACH LAND-USE AREA THAT COME UP WITH THAT 61,000. THIS IS JUST MY MATH. YOU KNOW, MY MATH THE SAME NUMBERS YOU ARE LOOKING AT I COME UP WITH THAT WE DO HAVE A SURPLUS IN 2035 WITH MEDIUM AND MEDIUM HIGH . FOR 2050 WE STILL HAVE A SURPLUS FOR 2050. NOT SO MUCH FOR 2035 , NOT SO MUCH FOR 2050. SO THIS IS AT THE HISTORIC TREND HAS RESULTED . WE DO NEED THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO CATCH UP. IT WAS CONCERNED THAT LIMITED HOUSING WAS RAISE PRICES SUCH AS DEMAND ISSUE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN ISSUE AS WELL. I WILL FLIP THROUGH BECAUSE I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME . THIS HAS RESULTED IN ZERO WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS. ALSO, NO NEW DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T STILL COME FORWARD IF YOU FAIL TO PLAN YOU PLAN TO FAIL. THIS IS OUR DEVELOPMENT HERE. SO CHOOSE THEBOUNDARIES CAREFULLY. THANK YOU. >> I AGREE. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE PARKS . FIRST I WANT TO ADDRESS THE BICAMERAL AND UNANIMOUS VOTE IN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE TO TELL THE GOVERNOR YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PUT PICKLE BALL COURTS AND GOLF COURSES AND DEVELOPMENT IN OUR PARKS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNOR PLANNED TO DO? HE WANTED TO HAVE A LARGE JUST WEST OF THE PARK IN THE OLD COPSE OF TREES THERE, 10 ACRES. HE WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN AND PUT A LARGE THERE AND GO INTO COMPETITION WITH THE HOTELS. HE IS THAT BAD. I COMMEND EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION. I WAS IN THIS ROOM ON JANUARY 10. I HAVE SPOKEN OUT FOR YEARS . IT WAS FIRST PROPOSED IN 1939 . BOTH SENATORS AND THE CONGRESSMAN SUPPORTED IT. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? THE MONEY PEOPLE FROM ANASTASIA ISLAND CAME TO THE NEXT COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING AND GOT THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO UN-ENDORSE THE SAINT AUGUSTINE NATIONAL PARK. I FIRST TESTIFIED IN FAVOR WAY BACK IN 2006. I HAVE BEEN TO EVERY SINGLE LEGISLATIVE MEETING EVER SINCE. WHAT I DID WAS REVERSE ENGINEERED SOME NATIONAL PARK LEGISLATION AND LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE HERE. AND WHAT CAN
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BE INCLUDED. WE HAVE ABOUT 180,000 ACRES OF LAND IN TWO COUNTIES. YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND IT IS BIGGER . THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOUND IN 2003 THAT ENVIRONMENTAL TOURISTS FOUND TWICE AS MUCH AND SPENT TWICE AS LONG . IT'S LIKE LOW-IMPACT AEROBICS. IT'S NOT TEARING DOWN. IT'S HAVING PEOPLE GO TAKE HIKES. I WANT TO COMMEND THE HISTORICAL PARK AND MAYBE THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON IT ONE DAY. GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR VIDEO. SEE NOVEMBER 1, 2011 . ITEM NUMBER ONE, KEN BRIAN HAD ME SPEAK AND I SPOKE IN FAVOR OF IT. OUR TEA PARTY FRIENDS SAID THAT I WAS A COMMUNIST. THEY SAID -- ANYWAY. YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEY SAID TO BELIEVE IT. GOVERNOR DESANTIS WHEN HE WAS A CONGRESSMAN RELIED ON ADVICE FROM HIS STAFF . YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. WHAT AJOKE. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. I WILL NOT BELABOR WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD. I DO OPPOSE THIS. THIS WELL IS GOT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THESE REDUCTIONS. AS OF THE POPULATION OF THE STATE AND THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW WE ALL KNOW IT IS GROWING AND IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE HOUSING NEEDS ARE GROWING AS WELL. THESE POPULATION NUMBERS DO NOT SEEM LIKE IT IS A TREND. DO THE SUPPLIES -- NEED TO MAINTAIN
THAT CHANGE? PLEASE OPPOSE THIS. >> ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT? GOOD AFTERNOON. >> SUZANNE, 109 LAURELWOOD WAY.
WE KEEP HEARING MORE AND MORE BITS AND PIECES COMING OUT ABOUT THIS. HONESTLY I STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE DATA THAT IS BROUGHT IN AND SHOWN UP ON YOUR SCREEN. YOU HAVE QUIT THE JOB TO FILTER THROUGH. WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD STAFF THAT HELPS YOU. JUST FROM MY LIMITED WORLDVIEW, OUR WORLD IS CHANGING VERY RAPIDLY. THAT FILTERS DOWN FROM THE WORLD TO THE U.S. TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO HEAR WE ARE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TRYING TO PROJECT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 20 YEARS. A PRETTY TOUGH JOB. YOU USE THE ALGORITHMS IF USED BEFORE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AN ANNUAL BUDGET FOR MY OWN LITTLE ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLD. IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT EVERY TIME WE HAVE A NEW SIX WEEK CYCLE OF THE RATES CHANGING FOR INTEREST-RATE . WE HAVE THE STOCK MARKET GOING UP, STOCK MARKET GOING DOWN. EVERYTHING IS FEAR. I AM LESS INTERESTD IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WERE PROJECTING TO NEED THEN I AM IN THE SIZE, COST, AND TYPE OF UNITS WE WILL PUT THERE. WILL WE PUT 50,000, $700,000 HOMES ? WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS. THEY ARE ENTITLEMENTS, BUT I'VE GONE THROUGH THE CHART WHEN I HAVE THE TIME A FEW YEARS AGO. . A LOT OF THOSE WERE ABSOLUTELY ON BUILDABLE UNLESS HE WILL LET THEM BUILD ON OUR WETLAND THAT IS REALLY A WETLAND. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. 20 YEARS IS A REALLY LONG TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT BUT I HEARD A RUMOR THAT ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS IS BEING PULLED WHICH WOULD BE NICE BECAUSE WE COULD BE HERE AND HAVE
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DISCUSSIONS AND BRING PEOPLE IN HERE TO REALLY HEAR LONG VERSIONOF WHAT IS GOING ON . >> THAT IS 5:00 IN THE EVENING.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? AFTERNOON.
>> I AM JOE RYAN. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT . IT MAY BE POINTED OUT BEFORE THAT WE HAVE 49,000 APPROVED HOUSES . HOUSING UNITS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT YET . I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE US PROJECTING MORE HOUSES THAN WE WILL NEED. WE HAVE BEEN IN A HOUSING GLUT IN THIS COUNTY . I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE MEDIUM IF THAT IS WHAT YOU DECIDE . WE DON'T NEED TO EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY ANY MORE THAN IT IS . THAT IS JUST MY OPINION AND I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE
[3. Public Hearing * Amendment to the Irrigation Ordinance regulating the consumptive use of water for landscape irrigation. The St. Johns River Water Management District has been endorsing changes to landscape irrigation ordinances for use of reclaimed water to allow restrictions based on a utility provider's operational needs. This change will put St. Johns County Utilities in conformity with the best practices suggested by the St. Johns River Water Management District's goals for water conservation. ]
WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM 2.>> I GUESS THAT MOVES FORWARD TO MAY 20. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
THREE? >> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.
GOOD AFTERNOON. OUR ITEM TODAY IS THE FINAL READING OF THE AMENDMENT OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY ORDINANCE 2010-20 REGULATING THE PRESUMPTIVE USE OF WATER FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION PURPOSES. THE FIRST READING WAS HELD ON APRIL 1 .
THIS PROVIDES FOR THE LOCAL IMPLEMENTATION OF WATER CONSERVATION FOR LANDSCAPE ERUCTATION -- IRRIGATION. THIS REGULATES SMALL IRRIGATION AND STRONGLY ENCOURAGES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ADOPT IRRIGATION, AND INCORPORATES THE RULES WITHIN THAT RULE. THE COUNTY ADOPTED THIS FIRST IN 2010. THE PROVISIONS SET IN THOSE WERE CODIFIED IN SECTION 4 WHICH REQUIRES AN CODIFIES , DAYLIGHT SAVINGS ONE DAY DURING EASTERN STANDARD TIME. THIS INCLUDES BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL. THOSE TIME RESTRICTIONS WHERE YOU CANNOT IRRIGATE BETWEEN HOURS OF 10:00 AND 4:00 ALSO HAS EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE WHICH ACCOMMODATES NEW LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION WITH FLEXIBILITY FOR THOSE TIMES. IT ALSO HAS RESTRICTIONS ON RECLAIMED WATER. PRIMARILY ALLOWING RECLAIMED WATER TO BE USED ANYTIME DURING THE DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WHAT BRINGS US TODAY FOR THIS NEW CHANGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINS THE STORY. THE PIE CHART ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS ESSENTIAL USES OF WATER. THE PIE CHART ON THE LEFT SHOWS THAT ESSENTIAL USES COMPARED TO WHAT IRRIGATION IS USING. THAT IS A VERY ROUGH AVERAGE. THAT 50% ON THE LEFT SIDE PROBABLY ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 50 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY . THERE IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RESERVE.
THIS IS PROBABLY 4 TO 5000 HOMES. THIS HIS DAILY DEMANDS.
SO WHY ARE WE REQUESTING THIS CHANGE. FIRST, THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED , STATES NOW MANDATE IS TO USE 100% OF RECLAIMED WATER FROM THE WASTEWATER FACILITIES. YOU PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT SENATE BILL 64 THAT CAME UP A COUPLE YEARS BACK. WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS REALLY HAS BALANCED THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND PUSHED UTILITIES TO MANAGE THIS BETTER. SO THE SUMMARY I WROTE TODAY I WANT TO READ IT REALLY QUICKLY. FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS WATER MANAGEMENT PHILOSOPHY HAS SIGNIFICANTLY SHIFTED THE EVOLVING CULTURE OF WHAT WE CALL ONE WATER. THE GAP BETWEEN TRADITIONAL BOUNDARIES AND NONPOLITICAL , THAT GAP HAS REALLY BECOME NARROW. OUR INDUSTRY IS EMPHASIZING ON
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INTEGRATED WATER WHERE THE VALUE OF THE WATER IS THE SAME FOR EVERYTHING. IN THIS CASE RECLAIMED WATER. HAVING SAID THAT, IT TAKES A LOT TO SLOWLY NAVIGATE THIS CULTURE . WE WANT TO DO THAT IN A ONE AT A TIME WAY. I ALWAYS REFER TO THIS, IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. WE NEED THE COMMUNITY INTEGRATED WITH THIS APPROACH. WE HAVE COMMENCED CUSTOMER EDUCATION . I KNOW THAT JAY IS WORKING ON THEIRS. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER . WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT OUR GOAL AND INTENT IS NOT TO RESTRICT PEOPLE. AT THE SAME TIME, HAVETHAT FLEXIBILITY. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ?
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.
>> JUDY SPIEGEL. THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. I WENT AND DID A TOUR OF THE NEW FACILITY WHERE THEY WILL BE SENDING RECLAIMED WATER . I THINK IT IS GREAT. I THINK IT IS REALLY GOOD. I HAVE LEARNED A LOT OF IT. I AM STILL LEARNING A LOT. I THINK ONE THING MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF AND THEY ARE INCLUDING THIS IN THE PACKAGES, THE RESTRICTIONS THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE THINK IF THEY HAVE A WELL IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM.
IT IS THE WATER TABLE. IF YOU ARE DUMPING THAT ONTO YOUR LAWN FOUR OR FIVE DAYS A WEEK YOU WILL BE AFFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE FACT THAT FLORIDA FINLEY LANDSCAPING IS BECOMING MORE ELEVATED IN DESIRABILITY. WE RUN AN A. THE RULES ALWAYS SAY IT REQUIRES SAINT AUGUSTINE GRASS. THAT REQUIRES SO MUCH WATER. WE ARE REALLY RELAXING ON THAT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE STATE IS RECOMMENDING. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE COMMENTS AND SAY THERE'S A LOT THAT WE CAN LEARN THAT WILL HELP EVERYBODY.
>> ANNA RYAN. I LIVE IN SHEARWATER. WE'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE WE MOVED IN FOR RECLAIMED WATER. HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE GETTING IT THIS YEAR. UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT WATER OUR LAWN BEFORE 9:30 IN THE MORNING. THERE IS NO WATER PRESSURE. WE CAN'T EVEN START UNTIL 9:30 . HOPEFULLY AFTER THEY HOOK US UP IT WILL IMPROVE. BEING OPTIMISTIC. THE OTHER PROBLEM , IS THERE ANY RULE THAT CAN BE PASSED WHERE THEY PASS ALONG TO YOU CAN PUT DOWN STONE OR SOMETHING IT IN YOUR YARD THAT DOESN'T NEED WATER. I THINK THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM.
OTHERWISE IF YOU LIVE IN HOA IN YOUR GRASS AND PLANTS DO NOT
LOOK GOOD YOU GET PENALIZED. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. TURN HIS MIC ON.
>> I JUST, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE A WELL WHICH WE IRRIGATE OUR PROPERTY WITH. I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT HAPPENS TO A LAWN THAT IS NOT WANTED FOR A LONG TIME . THE GRASS DIES. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S NO GROUNDCOVER ON GRASS? YOU GET THE WATER WASHED AWAY AND IT CANNOT SUPPORT VEGETATION . IT IS NOTHING BUT SAND. IT IS ALSO CLOGGING UP THE WATER FLOW TABLE. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT. IF GROUNDCOVER IS GONE FOR LACK OF WATER THAT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT IN AND OF ITSELF. PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.
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>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA NUMBER THREE? SEE NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE TWO THINGS? ESPECIALLY WHEN WE
DON'T GET RAIN. >> I CAN ADDRESS THE FIRST QUESTION. THE SHEARWATER IS THE COMMUNITY. I WILL CONTACT THEM AND REACH OUT TO THEM SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO THE RESIDENT ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN OUR SERVICE AREA. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE SECOND QUESTION.
>> ABOUT THE GRASS. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LDR. IT VERY MUCH SUPPORTS FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPES. WE CAN TALK MORE INTO THAT THAT WE DO A GREAT JOB IN THE COUNTY TO ENCOURAGE BUILDERS TO DO THAT. WE HAVE REQUIRED LOW FLUSHING, LOW WATER USING TOILET FIXTURES AND SO FORTH. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT ENCOURAGES BUILDERS TO DO THAT. THERE IS AN ATTEMPT THAT WAS MADE TO DO THAT. I'M TRYING
TO REMEMBER EVERY QUESTION. >> IT'S JUST THE FRONT PROPERTY. IF IT WERE ROCKED IS THAT NOT ABSORB THE WATER ? IF HIS LANDSCAPE DIES DOES NOT BECOME A PROBLEM? IF IT GOES
INTO THE WATER SYSTEM? >> IT'S ALL IN THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN. WE ENCOURAGE BETTER LANDSCAPE. THE OFFICE LOOKS AT THE CLEAN SHEETS TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE DONE. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HAPPENS WHEN THE RESIDENTS GO LATER ON AFTER THE HOUSE IS BUILT. THEN THEY DO MODIFICATIONS. WE HAVE NO CONTROL OF THAT. YOU ARE RIGHT. IF THE LANDSCAPE IS NOT GRADED WHILE YOU ARE BOUND TO LOSE WATER IN THE STREET.
>> THANK YOU. HE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> IDEA. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2025-10 AMENDING THE ORDINANCE REGULATING THE CONSUMPTIVE USE OF WATER FOR LANDSCAPE
>> MOTION ON THE TABLE. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I
[4. Public Hearing * Amending the SJC Utilities Ordinance – Second Reading. During a recent Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) inspection of the Utilities Pretreatment Program, it was discovered that the current Utility Ordinance did not give delegation authorization from the Utility Director to the Pretreatment Coordinator. It was also noted that the Ordinance did not define a timeline for reviewing data and issuing or denying Pretreatment permits. These minor amendments (pages 42 and 52) to the Utility Ordinance will address the changes FDEP requested during the Pretreatment inspection. First Reading was held April 1, 2025. ]
THINK YOUR AGENDA ITEM 4. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR.
I MANAGE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION OF THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT. THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF AN AGENDA ITEM TO AMEND THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY ORDINANCE. IT IS ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES THAT WE HAD FOLLOWING A FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION INSPECTION OF THE PRETREATMENT PROGRAM . IN SPITE OF GOING THROUGH 11 INSPECTIONS WITH THE SAME LANGUAGE, SOMEHOW IT CAME ABOUT THIS TIME AS NEEDING TO BE CHANGED. I HAVE A FEW QUICK SLIDES THAT DESCRIBE WHAT PRETREATMENT IS AND OUTLINES THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES. THE PRETREATMENT , IN ESSENCE IT IS A KEEPING OUT OF THE UTILITY SYSTEM. THE WATERWAYS AND THE ENVIRONMENT WE ALL SHARE. THESE ARE FUNCTIONING AND ALSO INSPECT THREE INDUSTRIAL USERS . THE TWO FACTORS, HYDRO ALUMINUM . THEY DO AIRCRAFT WIRING COATING THAT IS ON AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE.
WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD CAUSE HARM. FOLLOWING THE INSPECTION TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE . WE DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE ON THE ORDINANCE. NEIL WOULD HAVE TO BE DOING GREASE TRAP INSPECTIONS, RIGHT IN THE PERMITS AND PULLING THOSE TESTS. THEY ALSO POINTED OUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A DENIAL FOR THOSE APPLICATION PERMITS.
THEY ASK US TO ADD THESE THINGS TO THE ORDINANCE. THIS FIRST SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE DELEGATION AUTHORITY TO ALLOW OTHER
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EMPLOYEES AND THE PRETREATMENT COORDINATOR TO CARRY OUT THOSE ACTIONS NEEDED. THE LAST THING . THAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME BUT WE TYPICALLY TURN THESE THINGS AROUND IN A MATTER OF WEEKS. IF WE HAD A LITHIUM-ION BATTERY MANUFACTURER THAT WANTED TO COME IN AND ADD THIS TO THE TREATMENT FACILITIES WE WOULD WANT TO BE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH LAB TESTS AND DATA TO ASSURE THIS WOULD BE NO IMPACT ON THE TREATMENT FACILITY. 180 DAYS IS A REALLY LONG MAX BUT IT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO EVALUATE. SOME OF THOSE MAY TAKE UP TO 45 TO 60 DAYS. I DOUBT WE WILL NEED THAT TIME BUT IT IS THERE IF IT IS REQUIRED. IN ESSENCE THIS DELEGATION AUTHORITY AND TIMELINE ARE BEING ADDED TO THIS ORDINANCE. IT IS SOME ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANUP . THIS IS THE SECOND READING . I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY? >> WE WILL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
>> I WILL GET WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING. SEE NONE WE WILL CLOSE
PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2025-11 AMENDING COUNTY ORDINANCE 2022-37 CONSIDERING UTILITY PRETREATMENT APPLICATION REVIEW.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES
[5. Public Hearing * REZ 2025-02 SR 207/Helen Road Commercial. Request to rezone approximately 0.97 acres of land, located at 180 State Road 207, from Residential, Manufactured/Mobile Home (RMH) to Commercial Intensive (CI) with conditions, consistent with the CI zoning on the remaining one (1) acre portion of the overall 1.97-acre property. This request was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on Thursday, April 3, 2025, and was recommended for approval, 5-0. ]
UNANIMOUSLY. AGENDA ITEM 5. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.>> I HAVE NO RECORD OF ANY MEETING, EMAILS OR PHONE CALLS.
>> I HAVE NO RECORD AS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
>> I HAVE NO RECORD AS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER MURPHY. I WILL GO BEFORE HE GOES. I HAVE NO EMAILS OR MEETINGS.
>> I THOUGHT I HAD SOMETHING ON MY TABLE CONCERNING THIS
PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM . >> THERE WAS AN EMAIL SENT IN
COUNTY STAFF . >> I RECEIVED THIS LETTER FROM A RESIDENT TODAY. THIS IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO REPORT.
>> IS THAT WHAT WE RECEIVED? STAFF SENT IT. WE ALL DID. THANK
YOU TO VICE-CHAIR MURPHY. >> CHRISTINA EVANS . THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION AT STATE ROAD 207 . THIS IS A TWO ACRE PARCEL WITH SPLIT ZONING UNDEVELOPED WITH THE BILLBOARD ON THE NORTHERN SECTION THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THIS REASON. THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FLEX WAREHOUSE MINI WAREHOUSE BUSINESS OFFICE.
THE CODE REQUIRES THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT ACCESSORIES , THEY ALL HAVE TO BE ON THE PARCEL OF CONSISTENT ZONING. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE MAKING THIS REQUEST. THE FUTURE LAND DESIGNATION IS MIXED USE. THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT. THE NORTHERN ACRE IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ALREADY. THE SOUTHERN IS OUR NH. WE ARE REQUESTING THE BCI. YOU CAN SEE IT IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE SURROUNDING THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING . IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING USES, OUTDOOR STORAGE, TIRE AND TOWING, ALL OF THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH CI ZONING THAT IS SURROUNDING IT. OUR REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH WHAT
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IS ACROSS THE STREET , THE MOVING AND STORAGE. I WILL CLICK THROUGH SOME IMAGES OF THAT AREA. YOU HAVE OUTDOOR AUTOMOTIVE STORAGE SCREENED WITH THAT FENCE. THIS IS THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF THOSE REALLY NICE LUXURY ORDER POTTIES . THAT SPANS THE ENTIRE WEST PROPERTY LINE . TO THE SOUTH ACROSS TO HENRY STREET THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE FINANCIAL PLANNING OFFICE. ON THE OTHER SIDE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME . THIS IS TO THE EAST . IW ZONING WHERE YOU HAVE WHERE HARVESTING -- WAREHOUSING AND OUTDOOR STORAGE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. ONLY THE SOUTHERN HALF HIS SUBJECTS TO TO THE REZONING REQUEST. IT IS NOT RECORDED WITH THE ORDINANCE. IT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE . THEY SUGGESTED A BUFFER TO THE SOUTH BY THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING. IT IS NOT REQUIRED WHEN YOU HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THE LANDSCAPING FOR SCREENING. THAT WILL BE CONNECTED -- CONSISTENT WITH THE NORTHERN ZONING OF THE PARCEL .IT IS DETERMINED ALONG THE MAJOR ROADWAY NETWORK CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS, CHARACTERISTICS, INDOOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND IT IS BUFFERED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH MORE THAN THESE ADJOINING USES WERE BEFORE THE CODE . ANY
QUESTIONS? >> I JUST HAVE ONE. I WAS READING THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY PARAGRAPH. IT SAID AFTER LENGTHY DISCUSSION THEY AGREED TO SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE CONDITION WITH THE TREE SURVEY AND IF NECESSARY THE REVISED CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. I'M LOOKING AT THE TREE PLAN AND YOU HAVE THE YELLOW AND THE PINK.
>> THE YELLOW ONES ARE BASED ON THE CURRENT LAYOUT WHICH IS NOT FINAL. THAT IS NOT ADOPTED WITH THE ORDINANCE. BASED ON THE LAYOUT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE THE ONES WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESERVE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ABOVE EIGHT INCHES .
>> DO YOU AGREE TO PRESERVE THEM?
>> WE HAVE NOT DONE ALL OF THE PLANS AND PERMITTING. WE WANT TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. SINCE THIS IS REZONING IT IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP. IF WE CHANGE THE LAYOUT SOME OF THESE
WILL CHANGE. >> SO THIS IS TO MY BOOK ON THE RIGHT. IF YOU KEEP THOSE AND FILL YOUR BUFFER , I WOULD
APPROVE THIS. >> THAT IS OUR INTENTION. THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION THAT THIS CONCEPT IS SET. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THE ZONING. THAT GOES BACK TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CHANGE OF THE LANDSCAPE CODE. WE WILL FOLLOW THE CODE . THAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE
PROJECT . >> WHEN WE ARE UP HERE WE CAN ASK FOR THINGS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK BUT IF YOU KEEP THOSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE I WOULD AGREE TO THIS. OTHERWISE I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD. I THINK YOU NEED A BUFFER FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT BROUGHT US THE LETTER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HE
LIVES. >> WE AGREED TO THE BUFFER TO THE SOUTH . THOSE ARE THE TREES IT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD BE ABLE
TO PRESERVE . >> IF I COULD CLARIFY. WHAT YOU
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ARE TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN YOU HAVE A PUD.>> I THOUGHT MAYBE IT IS BASED ON THEM.
>> I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> SET PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER FIVE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. ED SLAVEN.
PLEASE OPPOSE THIS. THE LACK OF RIGOR AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL THE APPLICANT JUST GAVE YOU WHEN THE CHAIR ASKED ABOUT THE TREES I THINK REQUIRES A DENIAL. I AM REALLY PROUD OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND JERRY DIXON AND THE WAY THEY AS MEMBERS KILL THE REQUEST. THEY WOULD REQUEST AN APPLICANT SOMETIMES FOR HOURS. CAN YOU MOVE THIS BUILDING HERE. THERE WAS MORE REASONING . WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TREE KILLING ENTRY SURVEYS . THE ANSWERS SHE GAVE WERE ELLIPTICAL AND VAGUE AND IF HE. PLEASE TO DIET. THERE IS NO PRINCIPAL REASON WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES BEFORE YOU AND THE CHAIR ASKS A QUESTION TO DO ANYTHING BUT TABLE, THESE TABLE OR DENY . IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE TREES I DO NOT EITHER. HONESTLY THEY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S A SPECULATIVE OBJECT. THERE IS SOME FOREIGN INVESTORS SOMEWHERE , THEY WILL KILL MORE OF OUR TREES. THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE TREE ORDINANCE, RIGOR IN THE DISCUSSIONS. I THOUGHT IT WAS SO DISRESPECTFUL THE WAY THE APPLICANT TREATED IT. FIRST OF ALL, THEY DON'T IDENTIFY WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROJECT. THE LAWYERS WHO REPRESENT DEVELOPERS, I CALL THEM SPECULATORS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. THE LAWYERS THAT REPRESENT SPECULATORS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE TRUTH. THE INVESTORS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE TREES. HOW MUCH TREE COVER HAVE WE LOST SINCE 1999. I HAVE ASKED THE COUNTY THAT QUESTION AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO WANT TO TELL US. A LOT. PLEASE DENY THIS OR AT THE VERY LEAST TABLE IT AND LET THEM COME BACK WITH SOMETHING MORE PROFESSIONAL AND RESPECTFUL. MORE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY . IT IS LIKE WE ARE HANDING OUT FAVORS TO DEVELOPERS WHO ARE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS TO COMMISSIONERS. LOOK WHAT WE GET. LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE AND WHAT WE ARE DOING TO IT . LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD IS SMIRKING AGAIN WHICH SHE DOES. I OBJECT TO HER SMIRKING AND I WOULD PLACE ON THE RECORD THE EMAIL SHE SENT ME
WHEN I REQUESTED THE VIDEO. >> KEEP THIS ON A BROAD SPECTRUM. MAKE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.
>> I OBJECT TO HER DOING THAT. SHE'S DISRESPECTFUL TO THE LAND AND THE PEOPLE. PLEASE DENY THE APPLICATION OR AT LEAST TABLE
IT. >> ANYBODY ELSE FOR COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. GOOD AFTERNOON.
>> I LIVE IN THE FINANCIAL PLANNING , MY AUNT WAS HAD POSTRETIREMENT PLANS . I THINK I'M THE ONLY ACTUAL RESIDENT .
I GOT HERE AT 9:00. I TOOK OFF A FULL DAY OF WORK TO DO THIS. I DID HAVE A FEW WORDS FOR A FEW THE NEIGHBORS. I CAME TO THE PREVIOUS ONE ALSO. THIS WAS WHAT SWAYED THE VOTES WHEN SHE SAID SHE WOULD COME OF THE PLAN FOR THAT. THERE'S NO PICTURES OF THAT . THERE'S NOT JUST REGULAR TREES. THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL, .
THE FACT THAT BEFORE IT WAS GOING TO BE A STORAGE UNIT . NOW IT WILL BE A WAREHOUSE OFFICE . IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO
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FAST-FORWARD SO WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH IT. THAT IS ALWAYS A BIG MARK MESTER OF TRAFFIC AND ACCIDENTS. I HATE SEEING EVERYTHING CLEARED AROUND HERE. I KNOW IT IS THEIR LAND AND THEY WILL DO SOMETHING WITH IT. THAT IS A PRETTY PROMINENT PART OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. I GUESS I WILL READ WHAT MY NEIGHBOR WROTE. THIS WAS FROM LARRY. HE IS AT 1349.>> CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE SO YOU ARE REALLY CLEAR?
>> SORRY. THIS IS LARRY. THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. HE WROTE I WOULD HATE TO LOSE THE BEAUTY OF THE TREES WHEN I GAZE ON MY WINDOWS. I'M OLD AND I'VE SEEN TOO MUCH CONCRETE AND ASPHALT. THE REASON THAT I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WAS THE BEAUTY OF THE AREA. I FEEL LIKE I'M IN THE COUNTRY THOUGH MOMENTS AWAY IS SHOPPING, BANKING, MEDICAL ATTENTION ET CETERA. COMMERCIAL ZONING IS ALREADY PRESENT IN THE AREA .
INCREASED ZONING MAINLY TO OVERBUILDING AND UNWANTED CIRCUMSTANCES. I DID HAVE A FEW ISSUES. I GUESS THE OTHER NEIGHBOR RIGHT NEXT TO HIM HAD WANTED TO POINT OUT THE ADDED FLOW OF TRAFFIC WHICH WOULD AFFECT BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S KIDS PLAYING ON THE STREET AND EVERYTHING. IT GETS DANGEROUS WHEN PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THROUGH . ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THE WAY IT IS SLOPED ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IT COMES DOWN. RIGHT NOW IT IS OBVIOUSLY A BUNCH OF GREENERY AND TREES. CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AND REPLACING THE CONCRETE I FEEL LIKE THAT WILL FLOOD US OUT WITH THE WAY THAT THE FLORIDA WEATHER WERE. HAVE A GOOD DAY.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THAT PROPERTY. DO WE HAVE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. CAN THEY KEEP THE TREES? SINCE THEY ON IT WHY CAN'T THEY CUT THEM DOWN? THEY PAID FOR IT. THEY BOUGHT IT. IT IS THEIR PROPERTY. WHY DO THEY NEED TO GET SOME KIND OF STANDARD OF KEEPING TREES? WHETHER IT'S 10,000 SQUARE FOOT PIECE OF PROPERTY OR OVER 1000 ACRES, WHOSE FAULT IS IT , WHO HAS TO SAY YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM TREES OR CUT THEM ALL DOWN BECAUSE IT'S THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY OWN IT. THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. IT IS THE OWNER'S PROPERTY. IT IS BEING BROUGHT UP AND THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG AREAS IN THE COMP PLAN. THEY BOUGHT IT, THEY OWN IT. THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. MAYBE I'M LOOK AT THIS IN TOO BIG OF A SPECTRUM, BUT IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THE TREES, KEEP IT. ON MY PROPERTY IF I DON'T LIKE THE TREE I WILL CUT IT DOWN. IF THERE'SA PROBLEM WITH IT I WILL CUT IT DOWN. IN A SMALL SIDE OF IT, THIS IS JUST A SMALL PROPERTY WANTING TO PUT THIS BUILDING IN THEIR TO KEEP THE TREES UP FOR ALL OF THIS. LIKE I SAID, IF IT'S 1000 ACRES TO WHAT YOU WANT . THAT IS HOW I AM SEEING IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> TIMOTHY HOLT . I AM INVOLVED WITH 297 HENRY STREET. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING ON DOING. IT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A WAREHOUSE OR STORAGE. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING DOWN TREES AND PUTTING PAVEMENT OUT THERE. WE WILL HAVE WATER RUNOFF AND TREES GOING. RECENTLY I WAS TOLD BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT THEY WANTED AN ORDINANCE TO PLANT TREES .
THERE'S NOT MANY TREES LEFT HERE. THE THING IS THIS IS A NICE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOREVER. IF
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YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE A WAREHOUSE LET'S AT LEAST FIND OUT WHAT IT IS AND HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE.LET'S HAVE A PLAN WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY THAT'S A GOOD DEAL THAT'S NOT A GOOD DEAL. THAT IS WITHIN REASON I WOULD THINK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> COLE CROSBY, I WAS GOING TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT BUT I CAN'T HELP MYSELF. HERE I AM. I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING MR. HUNT SAID EARLIER THOUGH I NORMALLY AGREE WITH THEM A LOT. THE REASON THERE IS THIS DISCUSSION AND NEGOTIATION IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY ENTITLED TO THE USE THEY ARE SEEKING TODAY. SINCE THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO IT THERE'S A NEGOTIATION GOING ON. THAT IS WHY THEY AGREED TO DOING THIS BUFFER . THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NEGOTIATION SINCE THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A CHANGE. I WILL JUST THROW SOMETHING OUT, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE EARLIER SAID THERE ARE SOME REALLY OLD-GROWTH TREES ON THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD CERTAINLY BEHOOVE YOU TO EVEN TRY TO PRESERVE ONE OR TWO THAT ARE MORE CENTRAL THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE SHADE FROM ONE OF THOSE TREES COULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE YOUR ELECTRIC BILL. THERE IS A METHOD OF BEING ABLE TO PRESERVE OLD TREES AND HAVE CEMENT AND ALL KINDS OF CONSTRUCTION ITEMS RIGHT UP CLOSE TO THE TRUNK . I CAN TALK TO ABOUT THAT AFTERWARDS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO EVEN
CONSIDER . >> ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT? >> SUZANNE. LAURELWOOD WAY . IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S TWO REALLY DIFFERENT ISSUES GOING ON HERE NOW THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE COME UP AND SPOKEN. ONE IS THE TREES AND THE BUFFER AND LANDSCAPE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF . THE OTHER IS THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE . TRYING TO REMEMBER.
I LIVE TO THE AREA AND DRIVE THROUGH THERE A LOT. THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT KIND OF STARTED AS RESIDENTIAL IN THE COMMERCIAL DIFFERENT WAREHOUSES AND KEEP GOING BACK AND BACK AND BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL . WE ARE TALKING COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE THAT IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE USED THERE IF THE ZONING GOES THROUGH. I MAY HAVE BEEN ASLEEP BACK THERE WHEN SHE DID HER PRESENTATION, BUT I DID NOT SEE THE NORMAL THIS IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. SHE GAVE SOME PICTURES OF THINGS SAYING YOU CAN HAVE IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO SAY WAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE TREES IS IN THE BUFFER THAT THEY HAVE AGREED TO. IT IS JUST CAN WE SAY HOW LARGE THE TREE HAS TO BE. SO I GET IT. I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE KEEP PUTTING COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WAY RAN INTO THIS WITH THE DOG AND BLOG .
THEY GOT THROUGH EASILY. WITH WE ASKED SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS .
IT DID NOT SEEM LIKE A GOOD FIT. MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT
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TODAY. COMING BACK WITH A MORE CONCRETE PLAN. I'M NOT SAYINGTO SAY NO TO THEM. >> ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> IS THERE ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD THAT WE HAVE THEM COME BACK WITH MORE DETAILS AT THE NEXT MEETING? COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE IS PRETTY BIG IN A RESIDENTIAL. DO WE HAVE
CONSENSUS? >> I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
>> SINCE WE ARE AT THIS PROCESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THE MOTION.
IF YOU WANT TO DO A MOTION TO CONTINUE YOU CAN DO THAT BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE MOTION, NOT CONSENSUS.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
>> THIS IS A CONVENTIONAL REZONING . WE ARE NOT, THE PLAN IS NOT TO CLEAR-CUT THE PROPERTY. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PRESERVE TREES. LIKE WE SAID WE DID THE TREE SURVEY, PROVIDED THE INFORMATION. THERE'S NO SPECIMEN TREES THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO HAVE TO APPROVE REMOVING IT. IT WOULD COST MORE TO NOT PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE AND HAVE TO REPLANT, THE INTENT IS TO FOLLOW THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS IT IS NOW.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT WE PRESERVE ALL OF THESE TREES. THE PROPOSAL IS JUST TO DEVELOP SOMETHING CONSISTENT WITH IW WHICH COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES. IT COULD END UP BEING A VERY SMALL BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE AND ALL OF THE PERIMETER TREES ARE PRESERVED. IT IS JUST A CONVENTIONAL REZONING, NOT A PUD WHERE YOU HAVE THAT SPECIFICITY FOR THE SITE PLAN AND EVERYTHING . I ALSO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA IT HAS CI TO THE WEST NORTH AND IW TO THE EAST. THESE ARE ALL SIMILAR USES TO WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED.
THESE ONES ARE OLDER SO THIS IS ALSO WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THOSE HOMES WOULD BE THIS WHERE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING THAT OUR PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE. AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE. THESE ARE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES . THEY DO NOT HAVE THE TYPE OF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING . EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME USES.
ALSO, THIS FINANCIAL PLANNING OFFICE. EVEN THOUGH IT IS USED AS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE WITH THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING I DO NOT THINK IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL IN THE FUTURE. IT'S COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH. THERE REALLY ONLY IS THAT ONE SMALL SECTION TO THE SOUTHEAST. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT HOUSE THE FRONT DOOR FACES THE ZONING WHERE THERE ARE WETLANDS IN THAT AREA . THAT PROBABLY WON'T BE DEVELOPED. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING AROUND IT. THERE IS REALLY ONLY THAT ONE SPOT THAT IS RESIDENTIAL.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONCERN IS THE TREES SO MUCH AS CHANGING THE ZONING SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL . DID YOU WANT MORE
DETAIL? >> I THINK IT IS CLEARLY COMPATIBLE . YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TO THE EAST, I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID IT MAY HAVE BEEN A WASTE OF HIS TIME TO COME OUT. IT IS NOT A WASTE OF TIME. THIS IS WHY WE WANT TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE WERE IMPRESSIONS GIVEN THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME ASSURANCES WITHIN THE REZONING WHICH I UNDERSTAND . I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO. IN MY MIND, WE HAVE TO MAKE FOLKS CONFIDENT IN THE PROCESS THAT IF WE SAY SOMETHING TO THE MICROPHONE ON THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT WE WILL CARRY THAT OUT. MADAM CHAIR, MAYBE WE TABLE
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THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO BE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION PLACED ON THE ITEM.
THE CONDITION I AM READING STRAIGHT FROM THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING WAS THAT WITH THE EXTRA CONDITION THAT A TREE SURVEY WOULD BE DONE AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE CONFIGURED TO CONSERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS THE EXACT LANGUAGE THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTED TO BRING TO THE BOARD TODAY. JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THAT'S WHAT WAS ASKED. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO FROM HERE WAS YOUR DECISION. I WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THE APPLICANT DID WHAT THEY SAID
THAT THEY WOULD DO. >> THANK YOU. THAT ADDRESSES PART OF IT. THE REST OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE BOARD IS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. JUST SO WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND WE CAN ANSWER TO THE RESIDENCE WE ARE APPEAR TO REPRESENT. I THINK JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR AND WE CAN ANSWER FOR THE BOAT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE THIS AND THEN WE CAN
MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. >> HAVE YOU MET WITH THE
RESIDENTS AT ALL? >> I DID MEET WITH THE GENTLEMAN
AFTER THE MEETING. >> CAN WE MEET WITH THEM BETWEEN
NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING? >> AS A CONVENTIONAL REZONING WE ARE GOING TO MEET AND EXCEED THE CODE WITH PRESERVING THOSE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED. WE ARE EXCEEDING IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER TO THE SOUTH IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH WE'VE AGREED
TO DO THE BUFFER IN ADDITION. >> I'M SORRY. I DO NOT THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING. WE WANT MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THAT AREA.
>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION. WHEN THE TREE SURVEY WAS RECOMMENDED,
WAS THAT DONE? >> THAT IS PROVIDED IN A BACKUP.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE CAN GO TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU HAVE THE TREES TARGETED WITH THE
YELLOW AND THE RED . >> I DO NOT HAVE THAT ON THE POWERPOINT THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
>> OKAY. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT? THANK YOU. SO YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
MY QUESTION TO YOU , YOU ARE SAYING THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING REQUEST YOU ARE OFFERING A 10 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH? IS THERE ANYWAY YOU COULD SHOW ME ON THAT MAP WHAT 10 FEET IS OR GET CLOSE? WHAT SHE SAID IS IT WOULD COVER IN THE MIDDLE AND ON
THE FAR SIDE? >> PROBABLY NOT THIS ONE, BUT
THESE ONES FALL CLOSE ENOUGH. >> PROBABLY NOT THAT ONE BUT THESE FALL WITHIN THAT 10 FOOT OR MORE LIKE THE 15 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK IS WHERE THESE ONES COULD BE PRESERVED. THIS
ONE IS ALREADY DEAD. >> I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, IF YOU COULD SAY THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXTRA BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO MOVING IT FORWARD TODAY.
>> BESIDES THE 10 FOOT BUFFER? WE COULD DO A 15 FOOT SETBACK
>> I WANT TO BE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH BUFFER TO SAVE THE TREES ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO PROTECT THESE PEOPLE.
>> THE BUFFER WOULD HAVE TO HAVE OFFENSE OR CERTAIN DENSITY OF PLANTING THAT WOULD SCREEN IT. SO WHAT IS NOT FILLED IN THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE FILLED IN WITH SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNING'S.
>> YOU ARE NOT CONCERNED THAT IT COULD BE RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? A GIANT WAREHOUSE?
>> IT IS A LOADED QUESTION. I AM ABSOLUTELY CONCERNED.
>> WE CAN SAY WE DON'T WANT THIS SHOP OR THAT SHOP, YOU KNOW
WHAT I MEAN? >> IT IS ALL AROUND IT.
>> THESE WOULD BE THE SAME USES.
>> THE RESIDENCE IS JUST TO THE SOUTH.
>> THEN OVER TO THE RIGHT ON THE CORNER .
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>> THERE IS ONE PARCEL . EVERYTHING ELSE IS CI AND IW AND C N . THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE TO THE SOUTH
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> THE ORANGE AND YELLOW RCI AND IW WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO PUT
ON THIS PROPERTY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THIS BEING A STRAIGHT REZONING THIS APPLICANT HAS MEANT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE US EVERY SINGLE DETAIL
OF THE PLAN. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE YOU DETAILS. I UNDERSTAND WITH THE STRAIGHT REZONING IT IS POTENTIAL THAT MAYBE THE PLANS FALL THROUGH.
YOU SEE THIS EBB AND FLOW THROUGHOUT HISTORY. THEY MAY SELL THE PROPERTY TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEN WHATEVER THAT ZONING IS THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ENTITLED BY RIGHT UNLESS THEY APPLY FOR A VARIANCE OR SOME TYPE OF EXCEPTION, THEY ARE ENTITLED BY RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THAT ZONING CLASSIFICATION
ALLOWS THEM TO DO. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I WANT TO BE SURE WE ARE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO DO SOMETHING THAT LEGALLY WE CANNOT DO.
>> THERE IS NO HIGHER MEANT THEY HAVE TO DETAIL WHAT THEY ARE
PLANNING TO PUT THERE. >> THANK YOU.
>> IF I MADE, LET ME GO BACK . IN MY REQUEST FOR AN EXTRA BUFFER ON THE SOUTH AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE ARE LEGALLY ABLE TO
ASK FOR? >> THAT IS KIND OF THE CHICKEN AND EGG. YOU CAN ASK BUT IF THE APPLICANT AGREES TO IT THAT BECOMES FURTHER APPLICATION. WHEN YOU ARE REVIEWING THE APPLICATION WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. YES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
IF THE APPLICANT REJECTS IT IT IS YOUR CHOICE AS A BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU FEEL MEETS THE
COMPATIBILITY CRITERIA. >> OKAY.
>> SO YOU WOULD AGREE TO THE 15B BUFFER TO THE SOUTH.
>> IN THAT CASE I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2025-12. APPROVING 2025-TO HELEN ROAD BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF AND THE CONDITION OF THE 15 FOOT BUFFER TO THE SOUTH.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION.
PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES FOUR MINUTES ONE. -- 4-1. NUMBER SIX.
[6. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2024-16 1235 S. Winterhawk Drive. Request for a Non- Zoning Variance to Sections 6.02.01.B.3 and 6.04.07.B.1 of the Land Development Code to allow for the use of an access easement within a platted subdivision. ]
QUASIJUDICIAL. >> I HAD NO RECORD OF ANY MEETINGS OR EMAILS. WHEN I GOT BACK FROM LUNCH I HAD A PACKET ON MY DESK FROM A RESIDENT WHO HAS CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE.
THERE ARE MAPS AND PHOTOS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? >> I ALSO HAVE NO RECORD OF EMAILS OR MEETINGS BUT RETURNING FROM LUNCH I HAVE THE SAME
PACKET ON MY DESK. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
>> THE SAME. I RECENTLY RECEIVED A PACKET.
>> I AM THE SAME. I HAVE THIS PACKET.
>> NO EMAILS, NO MEETINGS AND THE PACKET. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS SO IF I SEEM A LITTLE NERVOUS I AM.
I AM DOING THIS ON BEHALF OF A PROPERTY OWNER NAMED THOMAS WELLS. I AM DALE BRADSHAW 3725 STATE ROUTE 16. IONE SURVEY BUSINESS AT 280 BUSINESS PARK CIRCLE . AS I PUT, IS MY POWERPOINT APPEARED? THERE IT IS. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, I'M SUBMITTING THIS APPLICATION FOR A NON-ZONING BILLION FOR 6.04 .07 POINT B POINT 1. IN ORDER TO PUT AN EASEMENT ON THE EASTERN 30 FEET OF THE EAST HALF OF LOT 130. THIS WILL PROVIDE RELIEF FROM UTILIZING A 35 FOOT EGRESS UTILITY WITHIN THE PLAT.
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JUST SO YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS, THIS SUBDIVISION WHERE I HAVE RIGHT HERE. THAT IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THAT'S AN OLD SUBDIVISION. THERE IS THE SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH. THIS PROPERTY OWNER IS IN BAD HEALTH. HE WANTS TO SELL THE SOUTHERN HALF. HE CANNOT DO THAT UNLESS HE PUTS THE EASEMENT TO GET TO IT. THAT IS THE KIND OF PROXIMITY YOU SEE ON 95 . I THINK THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT . IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ORPUBLIC COMMENT. >> IS THAT IT?
>> >> YES . IT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. I DO NOT KNOW. DID YOU SEE THE PACKET?
>> I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE? >> THE ONE THAT WAS DROPPED OFF BY YOUR NEIGHBOR. DOES HE HAVE A COPY? I WANT HIM TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEM AND SEE IF THERE IS A SOLUTION.
>> WHERE THIS CIRCLE IS, THAT IS NOT WHERE THE ROAD IS BEING BUILT. IT IS IN THE A NARROW STRIP. I GUESS THIS IS THE CIRCLE AREA YOU GUYS GOT THE INFORMATION ON THIS MORNING. THE 30 FOOT, THERE IS THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AND MY PLAN. THE 30 FOOT EASEMENT GOES TO THIS STRIP ACROSS HERE. IT WILL AND RIGHT
AT THAT PROPERTY LINE. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY. >> ON THE INFORMATION WE GOT IT
IS SAYING THAT THIS IS WETLAND? >> THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WETLAND
SURVEY. >> I DO NOT SEE THAT LISTED AS WETLANDS. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ANSWER.
>> THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WETLAND SURVEY DONE ON THIS. THIS WAS STRICTLY FOR THE EASEMENT. I AM SURE WHEN HE GOES TO BUILD HIS HOUSE HE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A WETLAND SURVEY AND ALL OF THAT
>> LESLIE WOODWARD. THAT IS CORRECT. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE USE OF THE EASEMENT WITHIN A PLATTED SUBDIVISION. IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE ACCESS DRIVE WE WILL NEED A PERMIT TO BE REVIEWED. THAT IS WHEN WE WOULD REQUEST ANY WETLAND SURVEY WHICH WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE ACCESS ROAD . IT WOULD NEED TO MEET ALL OF OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE CODE INCLUDING FOR DRAINAGE AND WETLANDS.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> JUST READY TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> WE WILL ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO PLACE IT RIGHT THERE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN. NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> MICHAEL FELGER WHICH, 1225 SOUTH WINTER HAWK DRIVE. IN THIS ILLUSTRATION WHICH IS SEVERAL YEARS OLD, THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS NOT ACCURATE AS FAR AS ALL THE FEATURES. THIS WAS THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE I WAS ABLE TO COLLECT. MY ISSUE IS WITH THIS AREA I HAVE INDICATED THAT LOT B IS DESCRIBED BY THE ORANGE RECTANGLE AND THE EASEMENT WITH THE LONG LANE THERE. THE CIRCLED AREA IS WETLAND WHICH FILLS WHENEVER THERE IS A HEAVY RAIN AND IT LASTS FOR A LONG TIME. THAT WATER THEN DRAINS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE ON MY SIDE OF THE FENCE. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE FLOODING INCREASED IF THERE WERE CONSTRUCTION AND THAT LOT AND IF THAT EASEMENT WERE PAVED, THE RUNOFF WOULD INCREASE TO THE DRAINAGE DITCH WHICH I ILLUSTRATED IN THE NEXT PHOTO.
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THESE ARE TWO PHOTOS THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT AREA WHEN IT IS FILLED WITH WATER AFTER THE HEAVY RAIN. THIS IS A VIEW DOWN MY DRIVEWAY TOWARD SOUTH WINTER HAWK DRIVE . TO ILLUSTRATE ON THE LEFT THERE IS A DRAINAGE DITCH WHICH PARALLELS MY DRIVEWAY AND THE PROPERTY LINE. TO THE LEFT OF THE FENCE IS THE AREA DESCRIBED AS THE EASEMENT AND FUTURE DRIVEWAY. THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I FELT EITHER WERE INACCURATE OR DISMISSIVE . ONE, QUOTING FROM THE APPLICATION THAT THE STAFF HAS NO CONCERN AS TO DRAINAGE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPING LOTS OF THIS SIZE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SITES ARE NOT LIKELY TO RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, I KNOW OF TWO HOMEOWNERS ON SOUTH WINTER HAWK DRIVE WHO HAVE HAD THOSE ADVERSE EFFECT. ONE WHO SAYS HIS PROPERTY NOW FLOODS. IT NEVER FLOODED BEFORE. AFTER HIS NEIGHBOR BUILT A HOUSE. ANOTHER NEIGHBOR THAT I NOW HAD THE FIRST TIME FLOODING OF THEIR PROPERTY WHEN THEIR NEIGHBOR PAVED THEIR DRIVEWAY. THOSE ARE TWO HOMEOWNERS THAT DEMONSTRATE TO ME THAT THERE ARE RISKS THAT ARE NOT DOCUMENTED. IN ADDITION, THERE IS A NOTE BY COUNTY STAFF UNDER THE ITEM BACKGROUND. CURRENTLY THERE IS ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE PROPERTY PARCEL SERVED BY A SINGLE ACCESS DRIVE. THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. THERE ARE TWO ACCESS DRIVES.>> SORRY. WE ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. THERE YOU GO.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ONE OR TWO MORE.
THIS IS THE VIEW OF MY DRIVE. GO AHEAD.
>> THAT SHOWS THE DRIVEWAY FOR
CORRECT. >> YOU LIVE IN THE BACK PORTION --?
>> YES. THAT'S MY ONLY ACCESS.
>> OKAY. SO THIS IS YOU HERE. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOUR DRIVEWAY IS HERE? MY VISION ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR ILLUSTRATION.
>> YOUR DRIVEWAY IS TO THE WEST OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
>> IS THAT THE IMAGE YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
>> YES. >> MY DRIVEWAY PARALLELS THE ORANGE LINE TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVELY THE EAST OF THAT EASEMENT. TO THE WEST IS THE EASEMENT.
>> YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEY'RE WANTING AN EASEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE?
>> CORRECT. >> THE ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THERE'S ALREADY A DRIVEWAY IN THAT EASEMENT FOR THE LAST TWO
YEARS. >> YOU MEAN THEY'VE BEEN USING THAT ALREADY?
>> YES. IN THE COMMENTS THERE IS ONLY A SINGLE ACCESS TO THIS LOT A AND B, THE TOTAL CURRENT PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.
TWO YEARS AGO A CULVERT WAS INSTALLED AND A DRIVEWAY WHICH WAS INSIDE THAT EASEMENT TO THE AREA LABELED AS LOT B. THAT ALREADY EXIST.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT --? OKAY.
>> KIND OF THREATENED MY -- WATER. INAGE OF THE -
>> WELL THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS FROM THE BOARD? I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T MEAN TO ASK THAT.
>> YES. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
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WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. I'D LIKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE NZVAR 2024- 16 RELIEF FROM SUBDIVISION DESIGN STANDARDS AND RAILWAY DESIGN STANDARDS TO ALLOW FOR THE USE OF THE EASEMENT BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND FOUR CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
[7. FLUEDRA Mediation Update: PUD2024-09 Robinson Improvement Company. On November 5, 2024, the Board denied Robinson Improvement Company's request to rezone 2,763 acres to PUD (PUD2024-09). The property is located north of County Road 214, south of County Road 208, and between I-95 and County Road 13A. Robinson Improvement filed a request for relief from the denial under the Florida Land Use and Environmental Dispute Resolution Act ("FLUEDRA"). FLUEDRA provides a means to potentially resolve disputes pre-suit through a special magistrate mediation and hearing process. The special magistrate mediation occurred on March 28, 2025. During the mediation, Robinson Improvement presented a revised plan providing more site detail, including a neighborhood commercial component. The parties agreed that, contingent on Board approval, Robinson Improvement could proceed to a public rezoning hearing on the revised plan. If the Board does not approve scheduling the new rezoning hearing, the parties will proceed to a public hearing before the special magistrate regarding the FLUEDRA request. ]
THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 9-0. ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
RYAN ROSS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I AM HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 7. THIS STEMS BACK FROM A REZONING THAT THE BOARD HEARD LAST NOVEMBER THAT WAS DENIED, AND A TYPICAL DENIAL DEVELOPER OR AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNER WOULD CHALLENGE THAT ACTION OR AN APPROVAL BY WAY OF A PETITION OF CIRCUIT COURT.
HOWEVER, THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE HAS CREATED AN ALTERNATE PROCEDURE CALLED THE FLORIDA LAND USE ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE RESOLUTION ACT, WE CALL IT FLUEDRA. THIS IS AN ALTERNATE WAY TO DISPUTE STEMMING FROM THE BOARD'S LAND USE DECISION, AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS A MANDATORY PROCESS. IT DOES NOT -- THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS OR NOT.
ONCE SOMEONE HAS INVOKED THE PROCESS, WE HAVE TO MAKE A GOOD- FAITH EFFORT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURE.
IT DOES INVOLVE TWO COMPONENTS, IT INVOLVES A MEDIATION WITH A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WHO HAS TO FULFILL CERTAIN PREREQUISITES BY STATUTES, AND IF THE MEDIATION IS UNSUCCESSFUL OR IF THE BOARD REJECTS WHATEVER PROPOSAL COMES UP THROUGH THE MEDIATION THEN IT GOES TO A PUBLIC SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HERE. AND WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY IS A REQUEST TO CONSIDER SCHEDULING A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REZONING.
WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO TAKE ANY TYPE OF SUBSTANTIVE ACTION THAT WOULD APPROVE OR DENY THE REZONING. THIS IS SIMPLY WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR THEIR APPLICATION BASED ON A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR THE SAME PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE ROBERTSON PROPERTY THAT YOU CONSIDER LAST NOVEMBER.
THAT'S ALL THAT'S BEING ASKED TODAY. IF YOU TAKE THAT ACTION, THEN WE WOULD PROCEED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PROVIDED WITH THE STATUTORY NOTICE AND ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS. IF YOU DECLINE TO TAKE ACTION OR IF YOU REJECT THIS PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSED RESCHEDULING, THEN THE MATTER WOULD STILL PROCEED TO THE HEARING WITH THE PUBLIC NOTICE IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL SPECIAL MAGISTRATE THAT SERVED AS A MEDIATOR. THAT MAGISTRATE WOULD HEAR TESTIMONY, IT WOULD HEAR A PROPOSAL FROM THE DEVELOPER, YOU WOULD HEAR RESPONSE FROM THE COUNTY AND WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD. WE WOULD BRING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. THEY ARE NON- BINDING RECOMMENDATIONS. SO EVEN AT THAT STAGE YOU STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO ACCEPT OR DECLINE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATIONS AT WHICH POINT THEY CAN FILE AN APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
THAT'S A LONG WAY TO DESCRIBE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT YOU APPROVE OR DENY THE RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS COMPLETELY WITHIN THE BOARD'S DISCRETION WHETHER TO HEAR THE PROPOSAL, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> SO YOU ARE PRETTY CLEAR IN WHAT THE PAGS PATHS ARE HERE.
OPTION ONE, WE COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD IN A MONTH OR SO AFTER COMMENT AND WE HAVE TO RE-VOTE. OPTION TWO IS IT'S GOING TO COME BACK BEFORE US, BUT IT WILL GO BEFORE THE MAGISTRATE BEFORE IT COMES
>> EITHER WAY, IT'S COMING BACK TO US.
>> MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE A MOTION, BUT IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO MOVE FORWARD TO OPTION 2 AND ALLOW IT TO GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
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>> IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD MOTION.
>> IT IS NOW ON THE TABLE, CORRECT? WAS THAT A MOTION?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE I WAS MAKING A MOTION, OR DO I HAVE TO MAKE A FORMAL MOTION.
IT SAYS DOWN HERE ON MINE. OPTION TWO.
>> BUT IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.
>> I SIMPLY RECOMMEND TAKING NO ACTION AT THIS TIME, LETTING IT PROCEED WITH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. THAT'S MY STANCE.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE MAGISTRATE HAS TO SAY ON THE MATTER.
OPINION. >> DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS? COMMISSIONER MURPHY.
>> FOR THE SAKE OF DECORUM, I'LL GO ALONG WITH THE BOARD AND IT WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD EITHER WAY, AND WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT LATER, AND IT WOULD BE LATER.
I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE BOARD BECAUSE THAT IS ONE COURSE OF ACTION THAT GETS US BACK TO WHERE WE WOULD BE ANYWAY.
PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE? WE DON'T NEED PUBLIC COMMENT, DO
THAT'S KIND OF -- DIDN'T WE --
>> HE SAID THE DECISION TO NOT MAKE A DECISION IS A DECISION.
SO WE NEED TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> I DON'T WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
CAN I NOT TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> I WOULDN'T ADVISE YOU TO DO
THAT. >> I THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT, LEX?
>> SAME ADVICE. I ADVISE PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE THIS IS TAKING AN OFFICIAL BOARD ACTION TO ESSENTIALLY REJECT
THE -- >> I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER MURPHY WANTS TO TAKE COMMENT.
>> I DON'T MIND. I DON'T MIND AT ALL.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER A BAD TIME TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY EVEN IF WE KNOW WHAT THEY'LL SAY. I THINK IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO DO THAT, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND I WOULD ASK, PLEASE, WE WILL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC
>> MY I LIVE IN SHEERWATER. WHEN WE MOVED INTO SHEERWATER IN 2020. THE ADS FOR SHEERWATER DESCRIBED THE COMMUNITY AS AN ENCHANTING ENVIRONMENT PADDLING DOWN TROUT CREEK, RESORT- STYLE POOLS, SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWNHOMES. SEVERAL SHEERWATER RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE MEMBERS TO VISIT THE COMMUNITY. DURING YOUR VISIT YOU WILL SEE SHEERWATER PARKWAY PHASE 1 IS DETERIORATING. THE RECENT EMPORARY PATCH WHICH WAS THE SECOND ONE, BY THE WAY COST THE RESIDENTS $12,780. THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THE RESIDENTS TO REPAVE IS APPROXIMATELY $150,000.
OUR KAYAK LAUNCH WHICH HAS BEEN UTILIZED BY ONLY THE BRAVEST RESIDENTS, IT HAS SOMEWHAT NON-NAVAGABLE BECAUSE FALLEN TREES BLOCKS THE SAFE TRIP TO THE KAYAK, PLUS YOU HAVE TO HAVE MANUALLY CARRY YOUR KAYAK DOWN TO THE LONG TRAILING TO GET TO THE WATER.
TIMBERWOLF TRAIL IN PHASE 3 HAS BEEN USED AS BOTH AN EXIT TO 16A WHICH WAS ONLY THE SECOND EXIT, BY THE WAY, AS WELL AS A SCHOOL DROP- OFF AND PARK LANE.
THERE IS NOT A DESIGNATED CAR LANE AVAILABLE FOR THE SCHOOL AND PARENTS. IT IS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE TWICE A DAY, AND OUR MAIN ROAD, SHEERWATER PARKWAY HAS YET TO BE COMPLETED TO 16 A WHICH WAS PROMISED A LONG TIME AGO SO SHEERWATER IS ALSO A CUT- THROUGH ROAD FROM THE RESIDENT WHICH WAS MARKED OFF ON THE MAPS TO BE DONE TO GET TO COUNTY ROAD TO 10. THE KAYAK CLUB AMENITY CENTER ONLY HAS 91 AUTO PARKING SPACES AND 47 GOLF CART SPACES FOR THE FUTURE 2,895 HOMES.
PER THE ENGINEER, AN ADDITIONAL 30 OR MORE PARKING SPACES WOULD BE ESTIMATED APPROXIMATELY $355,000 FOR THE RESIDENTS.
PER THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, THE THREE POOL, THE LAZY RIVER WILL COVER 188 RESIDENT, IT'S NOT A POOL.
YOU CAN JUST FLOAT DOWN THE LAZY
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RIVER. THE FUN POOL WILL HOLD 90 WHICH YOU CAN'T REALLY SWIM IN BECAUSE EVERYONE FLOATS DOWN THE BIG SLIDE. THE LAP POOL WILL HOLD 128 PEOPLE, BUT THAT HAS LAP LANES IN IT.FOR THE 406 RESIDENTS OUT OF THE 285,000 HOMES, PER THEIR FORMULA THE POOL CAN ONLY HOLD 270,006 UNITS. THE ORIGINAL ASHFORD MILLS PUB STATED 6,633 HOMES AND IT WILL BE 2,495.
SORRY, I DIDN'T GET TO FINISH, BUT THERE'S MORE.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THIS IS SAY CONTINUATION OF THE DEVELOPER SHENANIGANS AT SHEERWATER. IN PHASE 3, OUTFLOW STRUCTURE FAILED AND THE SUBSEQUENT THREE REPAIRS FAILED. NO ONE IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE FAILURES. A DEVELOPER IS. THE DEVELOPER PRESENTED A BILL OF $50,000 TO THE CDD FOR PUMP RENTAL SINCE 2024 USED TO DIVERT THE EXCESS POND WATER AWAY FROM THE FAILED OVERFLOW WETLANDS. THE ESTIMATED COST TO REPAIR THIS ISSUE TO THE RESIDENTS IS $100,000.
ANOTHER POND AT THE END OF SALLER COURT NEEDS UNDERDRAIN AND RESTORATION OF THE POND AGAIN, AT THE EXPENSE OF RESIDENTS. IT RODE THAT IN PHASE 3 AS IT REQUIRED A NEW DRAINPIPE AND UNDER THE ROAD DRAINS AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED $70,000 TO GET AT THE EXPENSE OF THE RESIDENTS.
PART OF THE BRIDGE TO PHASE 3 COLLAPSED AFTER A RAINSTORM, AND -- LAUGHTER ] THE DEVELOPER APPROVED $85,000 FROM THE CDD FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE AND THE RETAINING WALL AND BLAMED THE COLLAPSE ON RAIN WATER. THE LANDSCAPING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS EXTREMELY POOR QUALITY, AND WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE TOLD US THAT THE BLACK DIRT WAS REMOVED AND THE GOOD DIRT FROM THE PONDS REPLACED THE BLACK DIRT. IF YOU CAN READ THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. THE PH LEVEL HAS BEEN DONE BY AN EXPERT. OUR PH IS VERY HIGH AND THE GROUND IS STERILE. IT WON'T GROW ANYTHING AND THAT'S VERY EVIDENT BECAUSE OUR LANDSCAPING IS SUFFERING DRAMATICALLY. WHEN WE MOVED TO SHEERWATER IT WAS ADVERTISED AS A SINGLE- FAMILY/TOWNHOME COMMUNITY. IN 2020 OUR DEVELOPER PURCHASED APPROXIMATELY 122 TOWNHOMES, AND THEN APPROXIMATELY AN ADDITIONAL 97 SINGLE- FAMILY HOMES AND CONVERTED THOSE TO, GUESS WHAT? RENTAL COMMUNITIES WITHOUT ANY INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS. OUR DEVELOPER IS NOW A LANDLORD IN SHEERWATER. THE ORIGINAL HAD 28,000 FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSED THREE ACRES FOR A FIREHOUSE AND LIBRARY HAS NOW BECOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING. PART OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN LAND USE EXCHANGES. ONLY THE COUNTY KNOWS HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT REMAINS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE RUMOR IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO LEAVE IN A GOOD WAY --? WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT FOR BOTH OF YOU.
DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST THE ROBINSON PROPERTY? I KIND OF MISSED THE -- I KIND OF MISSED THE CONNECTION THERE, SORRY.
>> HI, ANA RYAN, 324 BEALE AVENUE. WHILE TRUE COMMUNITIES HAVE A LARGE PORTION PRESERVED FOR AGRICULTURE. THIS ORIGINAL PLAN HAS 18 ACRES OR 1% OF THE COMMUNITY. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE SIMPLY INCORPORATING A MARKETING TACTIC BY CALLING IT AN AGRIHOOD COMMUNITY WHEN, IN FACT, IT IS NOT. THERE ARE 1,007 ACRES OF WETLANDS AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 855 ACRES OF WETLAND PRESERVATION.
THERE ARE 22 TYPES OF SOIL ON THIS PROPERTY RANGING FROM POORLY DRAINED TO VERY POORLY DRAINED TO FREQUENTLY FLOODED.
HOWEVER, THEY DID STATE THE PONDS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH, QUOTE, GOOD DIRT, REMOVED FROM THEM TO BE REMOVED AS SILT JUST AS THEY DID IN SHEERWATER.
THE ORGANIZATION ORIGINALLY REQUESTED CANOPY TREES FROM
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70% TO 50%. THE INTERSECTION OF SR- 16 AND I-59 IS SEVERELY CONGESTED AT EQUAL OR GREATER AT 100% CAPACITY AND THEY PREDICTED IT COULD INCREASE TO 183% WHEN THE ROADS ARE BUILT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC ON SR- 16, AND HE IS ONLY PLANNING TO BUILD A TWO- LANE ROAD THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DURING THE FIRST PHASE. ST. JOHN'S TALKS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY OPEN RURAL FARMS. IT WILL HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA DUE TO INCREASED TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, THE LIGHTING AND WILL DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THERE WILL BE MULTI- FAMILY COMMUNITY WHICH MIGHT HAVE MULTI-LEVEL TOWNHOMES, CONDO, APARTMENTS IN FULL VIEW OF THE OPEN RURAL ATMOSPHERE WHICH IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. IT WILL ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE COUNTY SCHOOLS SINCE IT IS PREDICTED THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL 494 STUDENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.ST. JOHN'S PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY OVERCROWDED AND FUNDING IS NOT AVAIL BELIEVE ABLE FOR ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS.
IT CONTAINS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
EXCUSE ME IF I DON'T BELIEVE THESE PLANS WILL BE EXECUTED AS PROPOSED FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE DEVELOPER. IS THIS AGRIHOOD COMMUNITY THE LEGACY THAT JOHN ROBINSON WOULD HAVE CHOSEN? AND AGAIN, WE EXTEND YOU AN INVITATION TO COME VIEW SHEARWATER AND THE ALL OF THE
ISSUES WE ARE HAVING. >> THANK YOU.
>> HELLO. I'M JOE RYANS. 699, STANTON DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
IT WILL BE SOMEWHAT DEPENDENT ON SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THE COUNTY MUST EXTEND COUNTY ROAD 2209 IN ORDER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THE NORTH. THE PUD ALSO SUGGESTED THAT THE COUNTY PAY FOR ROADS LEADING INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT. THE ONLY JUSTIFICATION IN THE PUD GIVEN FOR THE EXTENDING COUNTY ROAD 2209 IS THE WAY THROUGH, GOING ALL OF THE WAY DOWN THE ROBINSON PROPERTY IS THAT THE COUNTY AMEND THE PLAN TO ADOPT A SECTOR PLAN FOR A NORTH- SOUTH CORRIDOR TO REDUCE IMPACT OF LOCAL TRAFFIC ON INTERSTATE 95 AND ALSO TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATE FOR COMMUTERS FOR 95.
THEY CLAIM THAT TAXPAYERS MUST PAY OR HELP TO PAY TO EXTEND COUNTY ROAD 2209 ALL OF THE WAY TO COUNTY ROAD 215. HOWEVER, ANY CONSTRUCTION FROM COUNTY ROAD 2208 TO COUNTY ROAD 215 DOES NOT PROVIDE A NORTHWEST CORRIDOR TO I-95 SINCE THE COUNTY ROAD 215 DOESN'T HAVE AN INTERCHANGE ON I-95. THUS, THE ALTERNATIVE IS NOT AVAILABLE. THEREFORE, THE ONLY REASON FOR THE EXTENSION OF COUNTY ROAD 2209, TO AND THROUGH THE ROBERTSON PROPERTY IS TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY. EVEN IF THE AGREEMENT, FORCING THE COUNTY TO BUILD ROADS ON THE SO- CALLED DONATED LAND. THERE WAS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR BUILDING ANYTHING INSIDE ROSH INSON COUNTY ITSELF. IT WANTS A ROAD INSIDE THEIR LAND AND LET THEM BUILD IT THEMSELVES, AND IF THEY WANT ACCESS TO COUNTY ROAD 215, THEY HAVE THE ACCESS NOW. SO I AM POSING THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT REQUIRES SUBSTANTIAL OUTLAY OF CASH FOR IMPACT CREDITS FROM THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS, AND THERE'S ALWAYS TRAFFIC ON 208 AND TABLE 16.
THIS WILL GREATLY IMPROVE, INCREASE TRAFFIC ON THOSE ROADS, AND EVEN IF THEY TAKE 209 ALL OF THE WAY UP NORTH OR OR GO -- THEY TAKE 16 TO 208 WHERE THEY CONVERGE RIGHT NEAR I- 95, IT WILL BE A HORRENDOUS TRAFFIC IMPACT, AND WE DON'T HAVE -- WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE THAT, LET ALONE BUILD OVER 3,000 HOUSING UNITS.
>> THANK YOU, JIM. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC
JACKIE LEBLANC, 3930 VELPOINT TERRACE.
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AGAIN? I UNDERSTAND FLUEDRA -- OR FLUEDRA, WHATEVER, I'VE READ ABOUT IT, BUT THINK ABOUT WHY WE TURNED THIS DOWN TO BEGIN WITH. THERE'S WHERE YOUR VALID POINTS ARE. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SPOKE WITH IN DISTRICT 2. I'VE LIVED ALONG THE RIVER.THEY HATE THIS THING. THEY DON'T WANT IT, AND WE HAD THREE PEOPLE SPEAK HERE ABOUT SHEARWATER. I GUESSIT'S THE SAME DEVELOPER, I DIDN'T GET THEIR POINT EITHER.
I GUESS THEIR POINT IS SAME DEVELOPER, WE DON'T WANT THEM, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS. LET THE MAGISTRATE. THEY'VE ALREADY GONE TO THE MAGISTRATE MARCH 28TH, WAS IT WITH NEW PLANS? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, GET THIS THING THROUGH WITH A NEW PLAN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW PLAN IS, BUT I SAY JUST TAKE A LOOK WHY YOU VOTED IT DOWN TO BEGIN WITH AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY.
WHY SHOULD WE ASK ALL THESE PEOPLE AGAIN, CONTACT ALL THESE PEOPLE AGAIN AND SAY IT'S BACK! LET'S STICK TO OUR GUNS AND GO TO THE MAGISTRATE AND LET'S PLAY THIS OUT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE MUCH CHOICE, EITHER WAY LIKE COMMISSIONER MURPHY SAID, IT'S COMING BACK, BUT THERE ARE REASONS WE VOTED THIS THING DOWN TO BEGIN WITH, AND I THINK THOSE WERE EXCELLENT REASONS, AND I WAS HAPPY TO SEE IT VOTED DOWN. YOU DRIVE OUT THERE.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL OUT THERE. YOU DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THAT OUT THERE AND THE TRAFFIC WOULD JUST BE.
YOU CANNOT BUILD ON 13 DOWN WHERE 214 MEETS 13.
YOU CAN'T, UNLESS YOU WANT TO RIDE INTO THE RIVER.
SO IT REALLY -- COMPATIBILITY, THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT OVER THERE, IT'S JUST NOT THE THING TO DO. THAT'S WHY IT WAS VOTED DOWN TO BEGIN WITH. WE'LL SEE THE MAGISTRATE AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY, I GUESS.
CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK EXPECT ESTATES. I READ THROUGH THE AGENDA WITH THE RED AND THE BLUE CHANGES TO COVER WHAT'S GOING ON FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING THE PLANS FOR THE ROBINSON DEVELOPMENT.
IT LOOKS GREAT AND EVERYTHING, BUT WHATEVER THEY DO ON THAT PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THE THING -- THE MAIN LINE, THE MAIN VEIN FOR THAT PROPERTY IS THE HUDSON HIGHWAY OR 2209, EXCUSE ME. THAT IS THE FOCUS OF THIS, THE MAIN FOCUS FOR WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE BACK IN 2018, 2019 IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY A BUNCH OF PROPERTIES DOWN WHERE 2209 JUST BEFORE IT CROSSES 208, ALL THOSE PROPERTIES AND YES, CHRIS G AND OTHER DEVELOPERS INVOLVED IN THAT, IF THE COUNTY BUYS THESE PROPERTIES AND REALIGN 2209. SO WHETHER ANYTHING ELSE HAPPENS TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S NULL ASK VOID AND VOID IN A SENSE, THAT MAIN LINE IS 2209, AND BACK IN 2019 WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN IT WAS BROUGHTUP TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER THEY TALKED ABOUT IT, WENT BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN THEY FINALLY FIGURED OUT, YES, WE WILL PAY ON I THINK IT WAS AROUND $12 MILLION, AND YOU ALL GIVE US THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY ALSO, SO ACTUALLY, WHAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COMMITTED THAT DAY WAS ONE OFOF BOGOES. YOU BUY ONE, YOU GET ONE FREE. THAT'S WHAT ALLOWED THEMD TO REALIGN 2209 AND THAT WAS THE MAJOR ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN FUNCTION OF HAVING THAT ROAD COMING THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT. NOW, I VAGUELY REMEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT HAVING 2209 SLIGHTLY ADJUSTED MORE WEST, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE WORKS OR IF THAT WAS JUST A -- TO BRING IT UP JUST TO GET SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT YES.
THAT ROAD IS THE MAIN VEIN THAT'S RUNNING SOUTH, AND THAT IS WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING IN AND ALL THE LITTLE CHANGES ABOUT THE PUD DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S THAT READ. THAT ROAD IS THE MAIN LINE AND THEY WANT IT.
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7?
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GOOD AFTERNOON.CINDY LONG. 7819 RUSTY ANCHOR ROAD.
>> I ALMOST DIDN'T MAKE IT TODAY BECAUSE MY WELL PUMP RAN OUT, AND I TALKED TO THE GUY WHO SAID HE'D HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE CALLING HIM, AND PEOPLE'S WELLS WERE RUNNING÷÷ DRY.
SO I DON'T SEE WHERE CREATING ZERO LOT LINE HOMES IN AN AGRICULTURE AREA WHERE THEY NEED THE WATER IS GOING TO BE -- IS NOT GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE AREA.
HOW MUCH WATER ARE THESE HOUSES GOING TO TAKE? NOBODY'S BROUGHT THAT UP.
WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO HAVE 209, 214 EXPANDED.
WE LIKE OUR TWO- LANE ROADS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, OVER THE WEEKEND I'M COMING DOWN 13, AND I SEE THE SHERIFF AND TWO FARM TRUCKS COMING DOWN 13, AND I PULLED OVER, AND I WAVED AT THE SHERIFF.
I SAID THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED MORE OF.
WE NEED MORE SUPPORT TO KEEP THESE DEVELOPMENTS OUT OF OUR AGRICULTURAL AREA.
WE HAVE SO MANY. SILVER LEAF IS NOT EVEN BUILT OUT. I PASSED ANOTHER ONE COMING DOWN HERE, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT IN ST. AUGUSTINE, JUST BREAKING GROUND.
HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE LIKE UNLESS WE HAVE THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS BUILT OUT BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IT'S ALREADY A MESS WHERE I LIVE. I USED TO BE ABLE TO PULL OUT OF MY HOUSE AT 9:00, 9:30 AT NIGHT AND NOT SEE A CAR. NOW I HAVE TO WAIT TO PULL OUT, AND THAT'S JUST ON 13. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL WANT TO GO UP NORTH AND OH, WAIT.
95 HAS AN ACCIDENT. WHICH WAY ARE THEY GOING TO COME UP? THEY'RE GOING TO START PULLING UP THE BACK ROADS. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. LIKE I SAID, ZERO LOT LINES.
NO. THAT DOESN'T FIT WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THANK YOU.
JUST A FEW OBSERVATIONS. IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS CLOSED DOWN ALREADY OR SHUT DOWN -- WHATEVER, WHY IS THERE A LINE OF DUMP TRUCKS CONSTANTLY GOING INTO THIS PROPERTY? SECOND THING I'VE NOTICE SIDE THAT THEY ARE NOW OPENING UP ALL OF THE DRAINAGE FROM THIS PROPERTY TO GO ON TO THE COUNTY DITCHES.
JUST A FEW OBSERVATIONS THAT I SEE EVERY DAY.
I CAN'T LEAVE MY PROPERTY, BASICALLY AS SOON AS THE CARS COME OVER 95 GOING WEST THEY SLAM ON THAT GAS. IT SAYS 55, BUT THEY'RE GOING 70, 80 MILES AN HOUR RIGHT NOW. I TRIED TO GET OUT ON TO 214 FROM MY HOME, AND IT'S TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR OWN HANDS, SO ADD MORE HOMES? I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP WHAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT MAYBE LOWER SPEED LIMITS, THROW THAT INTO THE PLAN WHEN THE MAGISTRATE DOES WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO, BUT JUST HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE AND THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S LIKE A PUNCH IN THE NOSE SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> THE YEAR, THE MEDIATION HEARING BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A MISSING NOT. SO TYPICAL OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF HAVING LOW-QUALITY WORK, BUT MAY I PLEASE ASK THE CHAIR, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE? ]
WE LUCKED OUT. WELL, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE JUDGE TRAINOR WILL CONDUCT A FAIR HEARING AND THAT WE'LL
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HAVE IT IN THIS ROOM AND EVERYONE WHO TESTIFIED AT THE PRIOR HEARING IS INVITED.I HAD OCCASION TO PARTICIPATE IN 0751 WITH THE CITY OF CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AND A FORMER WEAPONS OFFICER.
HE TOLD ME IT INVOLVED NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND IT WAS A SERVE-VEN- HOUR HEARING AND THE ISSUE WAS DEMOLITION OF A VICTORIAN HOME ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, FROM THE CITY HALL, AND I REQUESTED IN THE INITIAL CASE, THEY WANTED A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR LOUIS JOHN ARMAZANI AND I SAID DECLARE IT A LOCAL LANDMARK.
IT WAS ONLY THE THIRD TIME THEY DECLARED A LOCAL LANDMARK. THE DEVELOPER WHO ACTUALLY HELPED TO WRITE THIS LAW, 7051, THE DEVELOPER REQUESTED A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONDUCTED BY EDWARD SCHMITT, A FINE MAN, AND HE BROUGHT THE PARTIES TOGETHER AND SAVED THE HOUSE. SAVED THE 1880 VICTORIAN THAT THIS DEVELOPER WANTED TO DEMOLISH, AND -- MARK, I'LL CALL YOU BACK. IT WAS A WONDERFUL HEARING AND WE CALLED IT THE HOLY THURSDAY AGREEMENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY RAISED HOLY HELL AND WE WON, AND TREY ALEXANDER WHO THAT MAN FIRED WAS THERE, I THINK HE WAS 22 AT THE TIME, BUT ANYWAY, 7051 IS A GOOD LAW, AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD, SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND HE WAS A FINE MAN, HE'S A GREAT JUDGE, AND MAKE SURE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING IS IN THIS ROOM AND IT'S VIDEOTAPED AND IT IS ON GTV LIVE AND I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT JUDGE TRAINOR.
HE'S A FINE MAN. WE STOPPED THE DEMOLITION OF 1808 AND IT'S LOBSTER RESTAURANT BY CITY HALL.
STAE ANYWAY, WE HAVE A GOOD SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
>> SUSAN CLUEL. I APPRECIATE THE 5- 0 VOTE. THANK YOU.
WHEN I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE HERE TODAY WITH IS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM HERE OUT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE A NEW PLAN. I'M NOT CLEAR ON IF THE MAGISTRATE IS GOING TO COME AND HOLD THE HEARING ON THE NEW PLAN OR THE FACT THAT IT GOT DENIED ON THE OLD PLAN AND WITH -- AND WHETHER HIS DECISION THATTHAT DECIDES WHETHER THEY'RE APPROVED OR NOT OR DOES HIS DECISION THAT DAY JUST DETERMINE IF IT HAS TO COME BACK HERE WITH THE NEW PLAN OR THE OLD PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT AND WHETHER YOU ALL WILL BE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS -- SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD IF YOU CAN CLEARLY ENUNCIATE THAT EITHER THROUGH YOUR LEGAL OR YOURSELVES TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE RECORD SO THERE'S WANT ALL THIS MAYBE STUFFSTUFF ON OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT AND HOW THEY'RETHEY'RE TO INVOLVED AND WHERE THE END OF THE LINE ON THIS DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, IF YOU WOULD, ADDRESS THAT LAST
WHEN WE GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IT WILL BE SOMEWHAT DRIVEN OR GUIDED BY WHAT ROBINSON IS SEEKING IN THEIR APPEAL TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WHETHER THEY CHALLENGE THE DENIAL. THAT WAS HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT WAS THE DENIAL BACK IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL PRESENT THEIR REVISED SITE PLAN DURING THE COURSE OF THOSE PROCEEDINGS.
FLUEDRA IS OPEN AS TO THE TYPES OF EVIDENCE THAT COULD BE PRESENTED AND WHAT THETHE MAGISTRATE CAN CONSIDER, BUT THEY AT THE END OF THE DAY THE
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SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS ONLY MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT THIS BOARD MAY CONSIDER. SO WHILE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE MIGHT FIND, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH CERTAIN COMPONENTS OF THE COMP PLAN OR THE LTC, THAT'S NOT A DETERMINANT FACTOR AND THAT'S NOT A BINDING FACTOR. THAT'S NOTHING THAT WOULD BE ENTITLED IN OUR OPINION TO REAL LEGAL WEIGHT BEYOND WHAT THE BOARD ALREADY HAS DISCRETION TO CONSIDER.>> SO HERE'S WHAT I'M HEARING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF THIS BOARD WERE TO BE AMENABLE IN A DIRECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, GOING TO THIS MAGISTRATE HELP OR HURT A CASE -- SAY IF THE BOARD -- I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN EVEN ASK THAT QUESTION.
>> HOW ABOUT YOU LET ME ASK THE QUESTION?
>> YOU ASK THE QUESTION. >> WE COULD NOT HEAR THIS AGAIN IF WE DID NOT WANT TO THROW OUT THIS WHOLE THING, RIGHT? OR
NOT. >> YOU WILL NOT HAVE DISCRETION IN TERMS OF REFUSING TO HEAR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE PROCESS CONTEMPLATES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> IF YOU DON'T TAKE ACTION AND THIS HAPPENED IN A SIMILAR CASE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IT'S TANTAMOUNT TO THE DENIAL.
>> AND THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE RIGHT WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE DECISION LAST NOVEMBER WHERE THEY COULD FILE A PETITION IN CIRCUIT COURT.
>> SO JUST THE MAGISTRATE'S SUGGESTION -- WELL, LET'S SAY IF THE MAGISTRATE SUGGESTED THAT THIS SHOULD GO BACK TO THE BOARD WITH PREJUDICE, AND IT WAS DENIED AGAIN, WOULD THAT MAGISTRATE'S OPINION HELP OR HURT THEIR CASE TO REVISIT IT?
IF THEY WERE TO CHALLENGE -- IF THEY WERE TO FILE A PETITION TO THE COURT AT THE END OF ALL OF THIS AND THE MAGISTRATE HAD RECOMMENDED SOMETHING THAT YOU DISAGREEDED DISAGREED WITH OR DISAPPROVED, WE WOULD ARGUE THAT'S NOT ENTITLED TO ANY EVIDENTIARY WEIGHT AS FAR AS PROCEEDINGS AT
THE CIRCUIT COURT LEVEL. >> OKAY.
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>> OKAY. ARE WE FINISHED? EVERYBODY GOOD TO GO?
>> THANK YOU, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, BUT WE HAVE ONE ITEM OF SUBSTANCE THAT I WANT TO GET INTO.
THERE WERE TWO INCIDENTS OF E- BIKES IN MY DISTRICT, FRANKLY, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME FOLKS WANT TO SEE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PASS A LAW.
THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO FEEL LIKE IT'S A PARENTING DECISION. I THINK WHAT WI WANTED TO OFFER UP FOR DISCUSSION IS THIS, SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED FROM THE RESIDENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT I THINK WE CAN ALL BUT FULLY CONFIRM THAT BOTH THOSE INCIDENTS INVOLVE CHILDREN WHO WERE NOT WEARING HELMETS, THEREFORE IN VIOLATION OF THE EXISTING HELMET LAWS.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE CHILDREN WERE OPERATING E- BIKES THAT WERE IN EXCESS OF 28 MILES PER HOUR.
JUST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED OR OWN AN E- BIKE THAT IS CAPABLE OF DOING PER THAN 25 MILES AN HOUR AND THAT IS A LAW THAT'S BROKEN ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS THROUGHOUT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
SOMETHING THAT A RESIDENT CALLED ME ABOUT THAT HIS SON WITNESSED, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE THE VOICE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE PLANTATION WHO ARE COMING TO ME ABOUT THESE INCIDENTS.
THEY'RE WITNESSING CHILDREN INCLUDING MAYBE ONE OF THESE INCIDENTS WHERE A CHILD WAS HURT.
THEY'RE USING THE DITCHES AS ALMOST LIKE A HALFPIPE TO RAMP THEIR EBIKES OFF THE DITCH, CATCH AIR AND BE DANGEROUS. THAT'S WHAT BOYS DO, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. BOYS DO THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSEBECAUSE OF WE'RE ALL INDESTRUCTIBLE UNTIL WE'RE NOT. MY QUESTION FOR GREG CALDWELL AND FOR DISCUSSION IS CAN WE OR IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXPLORE CREATING SOME OBSTACLE THAT WOULD NOT PROHIBIT THE FLOW OF WATER, THOSE DITCHES ARE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROPER DRAINAGE AND JCP DOES A GREAT JOB OF DRAINING. WE DON'T GET A LOT OF FLOODING OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE GREAT DRAINAGE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CUT THE GRASS. WE KNOW WE CAN'T INHIBIT THE CUTTING SORRIES AND CUTTING SERVICES AND THE KIDS
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ARE GETTING HURT.>> GREG CALDWELL, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. WE ASKED THE STAFF TO SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS AND WE REACHED OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S TEAM ON TRYING TO COLLABORATE FOR A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THIS.
WE DO GO OUT THERE AND MOW THE GRASS QUITE OFTEN OUT THERE AND THROUGHOUT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AS WELL AS TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO IS PUT UP FENCING AND PIPING AND DITCHES AND THAT IS COSTLY AND TIME CONSUMING TO OCCUR. FENCING WOULD REDUCE OUR MAINTENANCE, LET ALONE, EVEN THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER, AND I HAVEN'T LOOKEDED LOOKED INTO WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE. WE DO HAVE 700 MILES THAT WE MAINTAIN. THAT'S NOT ALL IN CHILLINGTON CREEK, BUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTIES. WE DID GO UP THERE AND TO SEE IF WE SAW EVIDENCE OF TIRE MARKS IN THE DITCHES.
MY TEAM SO FAR HAS NOT COME ACROSS THAT, BUT WE ARE AWARE OF IT TO SEE IF THERE ARE AREAS WE CAN ADDRESS, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME WORRY ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY AND IT IS SOMETHING TO ALLEVIATE THE DITCHES BACK THERE AND LET ALONE THE PERMITTED ASPECT OF IT.
THOSE DITCHES UP THERE DO PROVIDE SOME WATER QUALITY TREATMENT. BY TAKING AWAY THE DITCHES WE WOULD HAVE TO OFFSET THAT SOME OTHER WAY.
>> YOU'LL EXPLORE OPTIONS AND BRING IT BACK. LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF COST AND OTHER THINGS.
>> AND THE SHERIFF'S TEAM AND MAYBE SURE WE ALL COLLABORATE AND TALK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
>> OBVIOUSLY, I WANT FEEDBACK BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL.
I WANT THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT THAT WE HAVE LAWS THAT EXIST THAT ARE BEING VIOLATED AND THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE SEVERITY OF SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK WE NEED TO INVOLVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS THE BANDWIDTH, THE MANPOWER AND THE RESOURCES TO ENFORCE THE EXISTING HELMET LAWS AND THE SPEED LAWS, MUCH LESS A NEW LAW THAT WOULD PROHIBIT A CERTAIN AGE OR RESTRICT A CERTAIN AGE. SO I'M NOT AGAINST CREATING AN ORDINANCE AND I WANT TO CREATE THE DUE DILIGENCE AND COOPERATE WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEFORE WE HAVE A NEW LAW WE CANNOT ENFORCE.
>> AS A PARENT OF FOUR KIDS ONE BOY THAT IS EXTREMELY RECKLESS AND HAS THESE TOYS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS. I WOULD NOT BE AGAINST AN ORDINANCE, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE ALREADY LAWS ON THE BOOKS, THE HELMET LAW, THE STATE STATUTE THAT FORBIDS AN ELECTRIC BIKE FROM GOING MORE THAN 20 MILES AN HOUR, BUT WE HAVE THESE ISSUES WITH ELECTRIC SCOOTERS. THE KIDS OF THESE DAYS HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT MORE DANGEROUS AND FASTER TOYS THAN WE DID. IT USED TO BE JUST A BICYCLE AND NOW THERE ARE OPTIONS. AND SO WHILE I'M AGAIN, NOT OPPOSED TO AN ORDINANCE, I THINK WE MAY VERY MUCH NEED ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE SOMETHING AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN, PERHAPS OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND PERHAPS WE INVOLVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE EDUCATING THESE PARENTS ABOUT THE HELMET LAWS SO THEY CAN THEN IN TURN EDUCATE THEIR KIDS.
I LEARNED JUST THIS WEEK THAT THERE WAS A LAW IN THE BOOKS FOR E BIKES COULD NOT GO OVER 20 MILES AN HOUR AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ANYONE CAN GO SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NT JUST GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE AND THINK THAT WE SOLVEDED A PROBLEM.
I WANT US TO TAKE A GOOD, HARD LOOK AT HOW WE KEEP THESE KIDS SAFE AND GIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO ARE THE ENFORCERS AND THE PARENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THE TOOLS WITH WHICH TO DO SO. SO THAT'S WHAT MY THOUGHTS
ARE. >> I WAS THINKING OF THE GOLF CART RULES AND THINK --
>> SOMETIMES IF A PARENT KNOWS THAT THERE'S A LAW THEY CAN TELL THEIR KIDS AND HOPEFULLY THE KIDS REALIZE I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE SO I DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE LAW, BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES A BOUNDARY FOR THE PARENTS. COMMISSIONER MURPHY?
>> YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A CONSERVATIVE, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO WANT TO ADD LAWS AND CONTINUE TO ADD LAWS WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE THEM ON THE BOOKS. ONE THAT I FOUND IS EFFECTIVE OVER MY 39 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ENFORCEMENT.
WE HAVE LAWS IN THE BOOKS. WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE AND GET THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO COME OUT AND ENFORCE THOSE LAWS.
I KNOW IT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY HAVE, BUT THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY AND THE TWO ES IS A WAY TO GO BEFORE WE MAKE NEW LAWS.
>> WHAT IF EVERY TIME YOU BUY ONE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VIDEO ONON USING IT OR SOME SORT OF -- SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
>> YES. I DO WANT TO SHARE BECAUSE WE'VE RECEIVED SO MANY MESSAGES CONCERNING THE EBIKES
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FROM RESIDENTS.I HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TEAM THAT HAS BEEN WORKING ON A DRAFT ORDINANCE WITH US, AND I DID WANT TO SHARE SOME THINGS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS DONE JUST OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS BECAUSE OF THIS INFLUX IN WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM SO MANY CONCERNED RESIDENTS.
SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE DONE IS THAT THEY HAVE INCREASED PATROL AND TRAFFIC UNITS IN HIGH- IMPACT AREAS SUCH AS THE BEACH WALKWALK PALENCIA. I CANNOT EVEN COUNT HOW MANY EMAILS I'VE RECEIVED FROM THOSE AREAS. SOMETHING ELSE THAT I'VE LEARN SIDE THEY'VE MET WITH MULTIPLE POA PRESIDENTS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTRY AND THEY'VE DISCUSSED WAYS TO PARTNER WITH THE SHERIFF'S, FORTS, AND HOAS CAN ACTUALLY RESTRICT ACCESS WITH THESE BIKES AND THEY CAN EVEN FIND VIOLATORS.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE OA COMMUNITIES ARE ABLE TO DO.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE BIG CAMPAIGN WITH THE SCHOOL RESOURCES -- RESOURCE DEPUTIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO THEY'RE -- I KNOW SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN THE SCHOOLS THE LAST WEEK OR TWO. THEY'VE BEEN MEETING WITH STUDENTS IN BETWEEN CLASSES, AND THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO KIDS BEFORE THEY GO HOME ON THEIR BIKES AND GOING OVER SAFETY THINGS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AS WELL IS THEY'LL HAVE MATERIALS AVAILABLE FOR STUDENTS, THEIR PARENTS AND THEY'LL BE DOING A MASS EMAIL WITH THE STATE LAWS AND CLASSIFICATIONS BECAUSE AS WE DISCUSSED THERE ARE SO MANY LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED.
ALSO ANOTHER THING THEY'LL WORK ON IS INCREASE SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE ON SAFETY AND AWARENESS. AND MAY IS NATIONAL BICYCLE SAFETY AWARENESS. SO IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN MAY, BUT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE DOING IS WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO WORK WITH RICH AND HAVE A DRAFT AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BE PRESENTED AT THE NEXT MEETING, MAY 20TH AND HAVE SOME KIND OF A DRAFT. WE CAN DISCUSS IT THERE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE PUT IN MANY HOURS WITH THE BIG TEAM INCLUDING THEIR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE -- IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SHARE WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH SINCE THEY ARE THE ULTIMATE
ENFORCERS. >> COMMISSIONER? TO SAY IS I THINK THAT WAS GREAT. SERGEANT CASH WAS AT THE PRAYER CIRCLE. WE HAD A PRAYER CIRCLE TO PRAY FOR PARKER AND IT WAS ATTENDED AND SERGEANT CASH WAS EDUCATING PARENTS ABOUT THE LAW.
EDUCATION IS KEY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE JUST TO HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PRESENT AND MAYBE EVEN SERGEANT CASH WILL BE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE ON THE STREETS ENFORCING THE LAW.
WE HAVE TO WORK HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WE TAKE A LOOKA THE DRAFT
I'LL SPEED THROUGH THESE NEXT THINGS BECAUSE IT'S ON TO GOOD NEWS FOR ME, NOW.
I WANT TO THANK ANCHOR FAITH CHURCH, THEY HEAD A FORUM AND I HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEAK THERE.
AND HEARD FROM RANDY FINES AND I APPRECIATE WHAT ANCHOR FAITH IS DOING. PASTOR EARL IS DOING A GREAT JOB IN GETTING ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO THANK FIELD OF DREAMS FOR HAVING US OUT THERE FOR THE GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONIES AND WE HAD MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS OUT THERE. JUST SUCH A WONDERFUL PROGRAM AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THOSE KIDS IS JUST AMAZING. IT PUT SMILES ON EVERYONE'S FACE AND WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS AT THAT ORGANIZATION DOING WHAT THEY DO.
>> FOR MOSAY, I THINK IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT WILL ANSWER ONCE AND FOR ALL THE QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN PLAGUING MOSAY FOR YEARS WHICH IS WHERE'S THE FORT? WHERE IS THE FORT AT FORT MOSAY? NOW THEY'VE BUILT A FORT AND IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT SELLS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HISTORY IF WHAT WAS THE FIRST BLACK SETTLEMENT AND LATER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND LAST, CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO THE MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND TO ALL OF THE MOTHERS OF ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY, WHAT WOULD WE DO, AND WHO WOULD WE BE WITHOUT THE MOTHERS? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.
>> COMMISSIONER MURPHY, I LOVED THAT EE PHILOSOPHY.
I'LL USE THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I WANT TO SHARE GOOD NEWS FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FROM MISS JOANN SPENCER AN UPDATE ON THE VOLANO NATURE WALK BOARDWALK. THIS PROJECT WAS STARTED NOVEMBER 12, 2024. IT WAS COMPLETED IN MAY MAY OF
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THIS YEAR, EVEN WITH RAIN DELAYS, THIS PROJECT WAS ON TIME, UNDER BUDGET AND WE REPLACED WALKWAY WITH MINIMAL IMPACT OF THE ENVIRONMENT DUE TO THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT AND THE REC DEPARTMENT AND PNG CONSTRUCTION. I WANTED EVERYONE TO SEE THIS.IT'S BEAUTIFUL LIT UP AT NIGHT AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO USE IT AND THANKS TO THE PARKS AND REC TEAM. YOU ALL ARE ROCKING AND ROLLING.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT I RECENTLY ATTENDED, HERE'S THE BOOK, THE AMERICAN YOUTH CHARACTR AWARDS AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS HERE. JUNIOR AND SENIORS.
IT WAS WONDERFUL. EACH CHILD WAS ABLE TO BRING THEIR PARENTS WITH THEM. IT WAS ACTUALLY WONDERFUL AND THE RENAISSANCE WAS AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE, AND WHAT I LOVED WAS THAT EACH HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR AND SENIOR BROUGHT WITH THEM A MENTOR AND THAT WAS EITHER A PARENT, A TEACHER OR COACH AND IT IS STILL AMAZING TO SEE WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THAT. IT REALLY STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF SPORTS IN OUR YOUTH.
THERE WERE SO MANY COACHES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ON THAT STAGE, AND ANYWAY, IT HAD A BIG IMPACT. I KNOW MY HUSBAND COACH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS BEFORE HE HAD KIDS AND IT SHOWS YOU HOW IMPORTANT SPORTS ARE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND IT BUILDS SO MUCH FOR HIM.
>> I APPRECIATE MR. HAM THAT SPOKE THIS MORNING NOT ONLY AS A FATHER, BUT A COACH, AND HE SHARED HIS FRUSTRATION WITH HAVING 140 KIDS ALL BEING GIVEN THE EXACT SAME FIELD TO PRACTICE A PROBLEM.
THESE ARE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS. IT IS A RECREATIONAL LEAGUE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ALLOWED TO USE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL NAMES, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT WITH ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME FAMILIES, COME KIDS AND COME, YOU KNOW, COME KIDS THAT ALSO WANT TO PARTAKE IN ACTIVITIES AND THERE'S JUST SUCH A SHORTAGE. I HEAR ALL OF THE TIME FROM PARENTS AND COACHES THAT ARE SO FRUSTRATED WITH THE NEED FOR MORE FIELD SPACE FOR SPORTS. THE FIELDS THAT WE HAVE ARE OVERDUE AND WE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND WHERE WE NEED TO BE AND WE NEED TO SEE GOING FORWARD WHAT ARE WE GOINGING TO DO TO ABOUT THIS AND I'M TALKING MORE MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE HIGH SCHOOL SAY DIFFERENT BALL GAME. THEY'VE GOT THEIR FIELDS AND ALL THAT, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR PHILOSOPHY WHERE THEY HAD AN ELEMENTARY AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS THEY HAVE MORE FIELD SPACE AND NOW THAT THEY'VE GONE TO THE K- 8 ACADEMY MODEL AND DOING AWAY WITH A TRUE MIDDLE SCHOOL, A LOT OF THESE ARE OFTEN DONATED BY DEVELOPERS AND THE LAND THAT THEY'RE DONATING IS NOT ENOUGH.
THIS IS BECOMING SILVER LAKE AND THERE'S NOT NEARLY ENOUGH LAND FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE COMING IN, AND THE LAST THING WE WANT TOP DO AS A COUNTY IS HAVE TO TURN CHILDREN AWAY FROM SPORTS. THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE AN OPTION. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, SO MANY TIMES WE THINK ABOUT THE ROADS AND WE THINK ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THING, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SPORTS FOR OUR KIDS AND I WANT TO WORK WITH THE PARKS AND RECS DEPARTMENT AND WORK WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING RIGHT NOW WHEN WE HAVE SUCH A LACK OF FIELDS AND YET THERE ARE SOME SCHOOLS THAT DO HAVE FIELD SPACE AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AND LOOK AT THE FIELD SPACE. ANYWAY, I AM WORKING ON THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT ONE TEAM OF 60 KIDS.
THAT ONE TEAM IS PAYING $30,000 FOR THOSE KIDS TO PLAY BALL AND THEY DON'T HAVE A FIELD. THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO ANYWAY, JUST GOING FORWARD, I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH PARKS AND REC TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE MR. WILLIAMS HERE TODAY WITH THE INDIANHEAD BIOMASS.
I THINK YOU SAW THE NATIONAL NEWS THAT WAS JUST OUT LAST WEEK WITH THE BIG STORY FROM ERIN BROCKOVICH. MY EASTER SUNDAY, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY CALLS, TEXTS, EMAILS I RECEIVED ON EASTER SUNDAY FROM PARENTS THAT COULDN'T EVEN HAVE AN
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EASTEREASTER HUNT IN THE BACKYARD WITH THEIR CHILDREN BECAUSE THE SMELL WAS SO BAD AND THEY WERE SO CONCERNED ABOUT BEING OUTSIDE AT THAT TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN INDIANHEAD BIOMASS. YOU CAN LITERALLY BE ON ONE PART OF THE ROAD AND IT CAN SMELL BAD AND YOU CAN GO OVER AND IT DOESN'T AND IT'S INTERESTING HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THERE CLEARLY IS AN ODOR ISSUE THERE, AND I WAS REALLY AND HE WANTS TO BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR TO THESE RES DENS AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND WOULD BE IN PLACE FOR A YEAR AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN THAT. I KNOW THAT THE DEP IS REQUIRING AN ODOR STUDY TO BE PERFORMED WE DO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH RESIDENTS AND I HOPE THAT THAT HAPPENS SOONER THANLATER. >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION?
>> DO THEY SEE THOSE TRUCKS COMING AND DUMPING ON THE
WEEKENDS? >> DO THEY GO ON THE PROPERTY ON THE WEEKENDS? THE TRUCKS THAT BRING THE
SEWAGE? >> I'M GOING TO ASK JOY FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT, BUT YES, I HAVE PICTURES OF TRUCKS COMING UP THERE ON THE WEEKENDS AFTER HOURS. YEAH.
IN PACK, I DID GET A PHOTO JUST THIS WEEK, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY STUFF COMING OUT OF THE TRUCKS ALL ALONG 214. SO, YEAH.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO A COMMUNITY MEETING DOWN THE WAY.
ALSO, AND I'M GOING TO WRAP UP. I KNOW THE CULTURAL RESOURCES REVIEW MEETING IS GOING TO BE HERE IN THE AUDITORIUM IN JUNE SO THAT'S GREAT NEWS, AND I WOULD LOVE, JOY, IN YOUR COMMENTS IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THE DEMOLITION OF THE OLD JAIL THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNS FOR THAT ANYMORE, AND LIKEWISE, I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A VERY HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY. SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. I WANT TO SAY AS FAR AS THETHE TRAILS IS CONCERNED, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A GROUPGROUP THAT WERE COMPRISED OF NO TRAILS AND PRO TRAILS AND WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH STAFF TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AND ALSO, RYAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I'D LOVE TO GET BOARD CREATE FACILITIES IN SUMMER HAVEN AROUND THAT PARK THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER AND G FUNNING FOR LONG- TERM RESILIENCY AND I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, PARKING, RESTROOMS AND INFORMATIONAL SIDES, BOARDWALKS AND DESIGNATED BEACH AREAS. IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO WORK TOWARDS -- TOWARDS GETTING THOSE AND THE PARKS OR DESIGNATE A PARK AREA DOWN THERE THAT WOULD HELP US QUALIFY FOR G AND MAYBE GOING FORWARD YOU CAN IMMERSE ME ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT, BUT I'D LOVE TO GET CONSENSUS TO DIRECT STAFF TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE CATCHY SERVICES DOWN THERE.
THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO EVERYBODY THAT IS A MOM.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS, AND WE HAVE CRAZY PARKING ON THE WEEKENDS AND I'M TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
I HAVE SEVERAL REALLY GOOD OPTIONS COMING, AND I'M LOOKING INTO AND I'LL GET BACK TO EVERYONE ABOUT, BUT ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS THERE IS AN IGUANA OUTPOST AND THEY'RE LEASING PROPERTY TO A BUSINESSMAN.
I ALSO WANTED TO SEE WHAT THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE COOL IF THE PERSON WANTS TO LEASE IT AS A KAYAK LAUNCH AS WELL AS EXTRA PARKING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD EVEN GO. I JUST NEED CONSENSUS TO CONTACT THE OWNER. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? IS THAT GOOD IF.
>> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT REAL ESTATE WANTED ME TO DO. TURTLE TOWN.
WHERE ARE MY PICTURES, TYLER? MY 22ND ANNUAL TURTLE TOWN USA BEACH UP IS ON SATURDAY 10TH, ALREADY THIS FROM 9:00 TO 11:00 A.M. TO AND YOU CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE.
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>> WHERE IS THE RED FOLDER? REMIND EVERYBODY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR ANNUAL ADMINISTRATIVE DIALOGUE THAT WILL START NEXT WEEK. I HEARD THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A COMMENT ABOUT HOW THAT PROCESS SORT OF IS A DISAPPOINTING PROCESS. I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I CLARIFY THIS SINCE WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS.
I KNOW BOTH OF YOU HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE LAST YEAR. IT IS NOTHING NEW.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE FOLLOWED ACCORDING TO THE STATE STATUTE, AND REALLY, THE PROCESS IS A DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND ADMINISTRATION TEAM SO THAT WE CAN HASH OUT WHAT EXACTLY IS THE REQUEST FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF OPERATION, BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE OBSERVED AS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND WE HAVE TRIED OUR BEST TO OPEN THAT PROCESS UP FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS SO
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THAT YOU HAVE A PREVIEW OF WHAT IS GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU. 15TH OF JULY IS REALLY THE BEGINNING OF YOUR DELIBERATION ON YOUR BUDGET. IT IS GOING TO BE THE ADMINISTRATOR'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE BUDGET, AND I THINK THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WE WELCOME ANY TIME THAT IF WE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO SHAPE THIS BUDGET, BUT YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR DECISION IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE AFTER JULY 15TH. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLARIFIED. BEFORE I GET TO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR'S UPDATE ON THE ANNEXED JAIL LET'S SEE, INDIAN HEAD, I WOULD LIKE GREG TO COME UP AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE BOAT RAMP SINCE WE ARE POTENTIALLY HAVING SOME IMPACT ON THEBOATERS. >> GREG CALDWELL, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. ALONGSIDE WITH ME IS RYAN KING, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACTOR ONBOARD, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU SOME UPDATES, SOME IMPACTS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF ONE OF THE MOST ACTIVE AND LOCATED ON MAIN STREET ON THE WAY TO VOLANO. WE DO IT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WORKING EFFICIENTLY, EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY. WE HAD A PREDREDGE SURVEY THAT INDICATED 6,000 CUBIC YARDS NEED TO BE REMOVED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE FOR THE BOATING COMMUNITY. THE SPOILS ARE BEING REMOVED BY BARGE SO IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE PARKING LOT, BUT THE BOAT RAMP TO MAKE THIS AN EFFICIENT MOVEMENT, WE'RE LOOKING TO CLOSE THE BOAT RAMP DURING THE WEEK DAYS FROM MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND STR HAVE IT OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE FEEL WITH THIS CLOSURE, IT'S GOING TO RAMP UP THE EXPEDITION OF REMOVING THE SEDIMENT AND GETTING THIS DONE QUICKER AND SAFER.
SO THE RAMP, THE DREDGE IS IN PROCESS RIGHT YOU IN.
SO THE BOATING COMMUNITY CAN SEE THAT OUT THERE. SO THEY KNOW THIS IS ONGOING, AND THEY ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM INTO THE FUTURE. THE CURRENT PROJECT IS ABOUT $420,000 AND THE PROJECT IS TO BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. IT IS A QUICK PROJECT AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF THE IMPACT IF YOU HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE BOATING COMMUNITY AND I'LL TURN IT TO RYAN AND YOU'LL GIVE COLOR COMMENTARY ON THE BOAT RAMP ITSELF.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. RYAN KING, IF YOU MAY RECALL YOU RECEIVED EMAILS IN JANUARY REGARDING THIS BOAT RAMP AND VESSELS BEING STUCK OUT DURING LOW TIDE AND THIS IS A PICTURE THAT YOU RECEIVED BY EMAIL. THIS DREDGING IS TO ADDRESS THAT, AND THEY'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY. THE CHANNEL IS SO SHALLOW THAT WHEN THE DREDGING BOAT IS OUT THERE, THE BARGE IS OUT THERE THE BOATS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PASS AROUND FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DREDGE THAT CHANNEL RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO CLOSE IT. ALSO, PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS NEVER LIKE THE CONCEPT OF CLOSED RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. OUR GOALS ARE TO HAVE OPEN RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AS OFTEN AS WE CAN.
THIS IS CERTAINLY A WORST- CASE SCENARIO FOR US TO BE HERE AND UPDATING YOU ON THIS AND OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE BOAT RAMP OPERATING FULLY FOR MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND AND TO HAVE IT GO AFTER THE DREDGE IS COMPLETE.
WE WANT TO BE PUTTING OUT A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN AND WE'LL BE PUTTING A SIGN OUT IN THE SITE SO VOTERS ARE AWARE OF IT AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM TO GET THE COMMUNICATIONS OUT, AS WELL.
WE WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON THIS AND LET YOU KNOW WE ARE IN PROGRESS AND YOU ARE RECEIVING THE EDUCATION, AND WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE RATE FOR THE BOATING COMMUNITY. WE ARE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ARE THE WEEKENDS OPEN OR NO?
>> YES, MA'AM. THE GOAL IS MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY CLOSURE. WE TRY TO GET IT BACK OPEN ON FRIDAY. THERE MAY BE A BIT OF CLOSURE ON FRIDAYS, AND THEN HAVE IT FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY OPEN.
>> TALK ABOUT SPOILS ON A BARGE. IS IT USABLE FOR BEACH OR CAN I HAVE IT IF IT IS?
>> AS OF NOW, THE PROJECT SAYS IT IS THE CONTRACTOR'S RESPONSIBILITY TO GET RID OF THE SPOILS AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, HIGHLY.
>> I WILL ACQUIESCE TO YOUR SUGGESTION, THEN.
>> CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION? IT'S NOT REALLY TIED TO THIS, BUT JUST REGARDING THE
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PORTUGUESE MAN OF WAR THAT WE ARE SEEING ON THE BEACHES, CAN THERE BE A NOTIFICATION OR WHAT CAN WE DO TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THESE ARE OUT THERE?>> AFTER THIS MORNING'S -- I WAS MENTIONING THIS MORNING OUR STAFF WAS WORKING THROUGH AND TRYING TO FIND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT OUT FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS MESSAGING AND IT'S GONE THROUGH AND IT WILL BE IN THE REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD TO SHOWCASE WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING AND PROVIDE DIFFERENT OUT'LLS.
A LOT OF THAT IS DONE THROUGH OTHER ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE, AS WELL AND WE WILL PURSUE AND LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES. THE CHALLENGE BEING 42 MILES OF BEACH AND YOU WILL HIGHLIGHT YOUR FOCUS AREAS, AND MICHAEL'S, VOLANO AND CRESCENT BEACH WITH THE HEAVY BEACH GOERS AND IF WE CAN HAVE IT OUT THERE SO THE PUBLIC CAN ACCESS BEFORE GOING TO THE BEACH AND BEING AWARE OF THE CONDITIONS ARE AND WE WILL
REPORT BACK TO THE BORE. >> AND ST. AUGUSTINE
>> DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON JUST THE MEDIATION WITH THE TRASH HAULER? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT JUST SOME --
>> SURE. >> I KNOW WE TALKED, NOT DETAILED, BUT A BRIEF UPDATE.
>> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF A CONTRACTUALLY ACQUIRED MEDIATION PROCESS WITH FCC. JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THE BOARD GIVE US DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH THE NECESSARY STEPS TO PURSUE A TERMINATION. SO JUST TO CLEAR THE RUMORS, THE BOARD HAS NEVER MADE THETHE TO TERMINATE. IT WAS NOT A TERMINATION, AND IT WAS THROUGH A NECESSARY PROCESS, AND KAILEY WEST AND KOMANDO HAVE BEEN GUIDING US THROUGH THIS METHODICALLY AND WE HAD THE FIRST MEDIATION LAST WEEK AND WE WILL NOT GO INTO THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT OUR PLAN IS TO REALLY RESOLVE THE DIFFERENCES AND RECOUP ANY COST OF LOSS FOR RESIDENTS IN THE MEANTIME, AND VERY CAREFULLY EVALUATE THEIR PERFORMANCE TO HOPEFULLY COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER TO MOVE WITH THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WITH THE SAFEGUARD ON THE PERFORMANCE OF THE WASTE CONTRACTOR. SO THAT'S
WHERE WE ARE. >> AND YOU HAVE IDEAS IF WE NEED A BACKUP OR HURRICANE SEASON WE ARE READY TO GO?
ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR REMINDING ME TO SPEAK ON THIS.
WE ARE ENTERING VERY SOON HURRICANE SEASON. THE CONTRACT IS VERY WELL STRUCTURED TO PROVIDE OUR COVERAGE FOR SIX MONTHS OF ANY REDUNDANCY THAT WE MAY NEED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE THESE ROTATING CONTRACTORS THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN RESORT TO WHEN THERE IS A NEED FOR EXCESS DEBRIS REMOVALS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S GREAT.
>> AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH MY
>> NO, JUST A FEW MORE THINGS. ALONG THE SAME GRAIN OF THOUGHTS ON THE VOLANO BOAT RAMP WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT PARKING ISSUES WITH THE MAIN STREET WITH GENERAL AREA. WE ARE RESEARCHING -- OR WE WERE RESEARCHING WHAT TYPE OF MEASURES THAT WE CAN TAKE TO HELP WITH THE PARKING. IN PACK, LAST WEEKEND I WENT OVER TO SEE THE BOARDWALK AND COULDN'T EVEN FIND THE PARKING, SO I JUST LEFT. SO THE ISSUE IS REAL.
THE TEAM CAME TOGETHER, TARA, JESSE AND WE WERE WORKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
THE PROGRAM WAS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETE THE 5G9 TH OF JULY.
FROM THE LOOK AT THE PHASE OF THE CONSTRUCTION IT MAY BE SLIGHTLY DELAYED AND NONETHELESS, WE WILL GO INTO THE SUMMER WITH ONE PARKING LOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
OUR SUGGESTION IS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A TEMPORARY PROHIBITION ON OVERNIGHT PARKING IN THE VOLANO MAIN STREET AREA AND IT WAS ENFORCED IN THE PARKING LOT AREA AND THE REASON FOR THE SUGGESTION IS WE'RE SEEING HOTEL GOERS WITH THE GUESTS WHO ARE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THEIR VALET PARKING AS PART OF THEIR ACCOMMODATION IS FOREGOING THEIR ACCOMMODATION OF THE VALET PARKING FOR THEIR CONVENIENCE TO PARK OFF THE STREET WHICH TAKES AWAY THE VERY LIMITED PRECIOUS PARKING SPOTS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR OUR VISITORS. SO WE ARE HOPING THAT A TEMPORARY PROBATION OVERNIGHT PARKING WILL SOMEHOW ALLEVIATE THOSE ISSUES. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE BOARD
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OWE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION AND CONSENSUS>> THANK YOU. AND THEN I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE UPDATE THAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAD ASKED ABOUT, THE JAIL, AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THIS UPDATE MORE IN A BROADER CONTEXT OF WE ARE.
I'LL SKIP TO THE END OF IT SO THAT WE ARE NO LONGER ARE CONSIDERING THE JAIL DEMOLITION LIKE WE INITIALLY HAD TO REQUEST A CULTURAL REVIEW BOARD TO CONSIDER AND WEIGH IN, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH A VERY RIGOROUS SPACE PLANNING WITH ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, AND OUR DEPARTMENTS, SO UNDOUBTEDLY, THERE IS AN OVERWHELMINGOVERWHELMING OF ADEQUATE SPACE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND COURT SYSTEMS AND JUDGES AND OUR INTERNAL OPERATIONS ESPECIALLY ON THE CAMPUS OF WHERE THE SHERIFF AND THE SUPERVISOR ELECTION AND MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE ARE. SO DAN WHITKROFT HAS BEEN LEADING THIS PLANNING PROCESS AND JESSE AND I MET MULTIPLEMULTIPLE TIMES WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF HARWICK AND THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, AND THE SPACE NEEDS IN THE LONG RUN AND THE NEED FOR THE DEMOLITION REQUEST IS THEY IDENTIFIED A PARKING SHORTAGE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE IDEA WAS TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING FOR MORE PARKINGS PLT . THE OFFICE SPACE IS ALSO EQUALLY INADEQUATE. SO I THINK THE TEAMS' COLLECTIVE DECISION WAS TO RENOVATE THE JAIL STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS A SOUND STRUCTURE AND COSTLY TO RECREATE A STRUCK ARE LIKE THAT AND SERVE THE PURPOSE OF HISTORICAL PRESS ERVATION THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN FEELING STRONGLY ABOUT. SO I THINK THAT WAS A WIN-WIN. I DO WANT TO MENTION THIS USING THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT JESSE, DAN AND MYSELF WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE SPACE REAPPROPRIATION AND PLAN FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND THAT WOULD INVOLVE SUPPORTING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING, ADDITIONAL CRIMINOLOGY LAB AND ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION WILL NEED AND THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE, VERY CRITICAL SPACE THEY NEED. SO THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THE JAIL. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DOES THAT HELP WITH YOUR QUESTION?
>> OKAY. THE JUNE CULTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING WILL NOT DISCUSS THE JAIL AT ALL.
SO IF ANYBODY WHO IS GOING THERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO.
AND THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATEUPDATE THE INDIAN HEAD, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ADVOCACY ON THIS. STAFF HAS MET WITH MR. WILLIAMS AND ALSO HIS LICENSED LAND PLANNER HEATHER LANE MULL IMTIMES, AND WE HAVE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSCORE OUR APPROACH BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED ANY JURISDICTION THAT WE DO HAVE OVER THEIR OPERATION OTHER THAN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND TRY TO AVOID ANY SORT OF LITIGATION TO REGULATE SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS WITHOUT A REAL JURISDICTION OVER THAT. WE TOOK A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WITH A BUSINESS OWNER AND WE'VE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS AND THEY HAVE AGREED IN WRITING THE COUPLE, ACTIONABLE AND POTENTIALLY MEANINGFUL MEASURES TO HELP CONTROL THE ODOR, AND I THINK THEY CALLED THAT AN ODOR CONTROL PROGRAM WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TO RETREAT THEIR COMPOSTING OPERATION FURTHER NORTH. I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW FAR IT WILL BE FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY. HE WOULD HAVE TO BRING US A SITE PLANT OPERATION AND IT MAY REQUIRE AN EXPANG OF SION OF THE SITE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AND IT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL TO CONTAIN THE HEIGHT OF THE PILES BECAUSE AT THIS POINT THE PERMIT ALLOWS TO 35 FEET WHICH ARGUABLY IS A REASON FOR THE ODOR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DISSIPATE THE ODOR. SO KEEPING THE PILE LOWER WHICH THE HEIGHT CAN BE NEGOTIATED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT ALLOWS HIM TO ADD A BIOFILTER AROUND THE FILTER -- THE BIOSOLID PILE WHICH CAN POTENTIALLY CONTROL THE ODOR, AS WELL. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR OR -- CHAIR, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT OPERATING ON THE WEEKENDS.
WE HAD A PARTIAL CLOSER WITH THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANY VIOLATION OF ANY CRITICAL
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COMPLIANCE AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OPERATION. WE DID ASK ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES ON THE WEEKENDS. SO FOR ONE, IT WAS NECESSARY FOR BRINGING OPERATION INTO COMPLIANCE WHICH IS KNOCKING THE PILES DOWN, SPREAD THEM OUT AND THE OTHER STATEMENTS FROM THEM WAS THAT THE INDIAN BIO MASS IS NOT THE ONLY OPERATION EXISTING ON THAT SITE FURTHER NORTH OF THE SITE WHICH IS ALSO OWNED BY DR. HINMAN WHICH IS GROWING SAW AND GRASS AND THERE'S A FARM THERE. SO THEY USE THE SAME ENTRANCE TO ESSENTIALLY HAVING THOSE ACTIVITIES. SO WE HAVE SUGGESTED THEM TO HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND DELINEATED SO THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A VIOLATION OF OPERATION HOURS.THEY ALSO VOLUNTEER TO POTENTIALLY SHORTEN THEIR OPERATION HOURS BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL, AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS COULD CAUSE THE DELAY OF THE PROCESSING OF THE MATERIAL TO CAUSE MORE ODOR, AND I THINK THEY WERE OPEN TO HAVE A BAD DISCUSSION, AS WELL.
>> WE DID STRONGLY RECOMMEND THEM TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING HOSTED BY JOEL WILLIAMS TO TALKTALK ABOUT PROPOSALS AND TALK ABOUT THEIR PLANS AND RECEIVE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACKS AND SEE IF THEY CAN BE BETTER ON THE SAME PAGE ON HOW WE CAN PROCEED TO WITHIN THE LAW, OF COURSE SO OUR CHIEF OF STAFF IS WORKING WITH THE LAND PLANNER AND IT MIGHT BE SIMON CALHOUN IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
THE ONLY REASON I KNEW ABOUT THIS IS WE WERE TRYING TO SCHEDULE THE MEETING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A TEAM IS TAKING A TOUR THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO VISIT SIMILAR BIOMASS FACILITIES, AND I DEFINITELY SEE THE EFFORT THERE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THEM COMING BACK WITH REALLY GOOD AND EVIDENCE- BASED SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO CONTROL THE ODOR TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. SO THAT'S AN UPDATE ON INDIAN HEAD BIO MASS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SUBJECT? NO.
>> I THINK I COVERED ALL. THANK YOU.
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>> JUST A REMINDER THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY TAKEN A LOOK AT IT, THE FLORIDA IS HAVING THEIR ANNUAL CONFERENCE JUNE 24TH TO JUNE 27TH. ASIDE FROM THE NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES, THEY ARE EXPECTED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LOCAL ACT, AND AGRO TOURISM AND THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT HAVE COME ABOARD. OTHER THAN THAT, I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A
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