[1. ZVAR 2024-24 Stowell. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section 6.01.03.C.3 of the Land Development Code to allow for reductions to the Front, Second Front, and Side Yard setbacks to accommodate the placement of a detached pergola, in the Residential, Single-Family (RS-3) zoning, located at 6845 A1A South.]

WOULD LOVE TO BE UP THERE AND SERVING WITH YOU. SO, THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. SEE NUMBER GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. IS THERE ANY AGENCY MEMBERS?

CLOSER. IS THAT BETTER? OKAY. >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST DID

A SITE VISIT. >> THANK YOU.

>> I DID A SITE VISIT ALSO. >> PERFECT. WITH THE APPLICANT OR AGENCY OR THE AGENT OR THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ITEM NUMBER ONE. >> HELLO. I'M SEAN 14 -- FORREST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CHRIS FORREST.

>> GO AHEAD. SURE EXACTLY HOW TO DO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE. SO, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME WHY TRY TO FIGURE THIS ALL OUT. I JUST GOT A CRASH COURSE IN HOW TO ANNOTATE THIS WHOLE THING. BUT I DID LEARN THAT THIS IS A BUTTON TO PUSH ON THROUGH HERE SHOWING WHAT WE HAVE. SO, THIS IS THE PROPERTY AT 6845 A1 A SOUTH. IT IS A TWO-STORY HOUSE

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THAT IS ADJACENT RIGHT THERE TO A1 A WITH A GARAGE AND WORKSHOP IN BACK. HOUSE BUILT IN 1946. MS. STOWELL BROUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF 2023. SHE CONTACTED US LAST YEAR IN MAY TO HELP WITH PUTTING BACK THE WORKSHOP AND GARAGE. IT WAS FALLING APART AND FALLING IN. THE ROOF WAS FALLING IN AND SHE ASKED FOR OUR HELP IN GETTING THAT PUTBACK AND IN ORDER. WHILE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT, KIND OF, SLOW DOWN THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WORK WHEN GETTING PERMIT TO DO SUCH WORK. THERE WAS ALSO A STOOP THAT WAS ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY ON THE TWO-STORY BUILDING THAT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED. THE CONCRETE THAT WAS THERE FOR THAT LITTLE STOOP HAS BEEN REMOVED. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR HERE IS THE ABILITY JUST TO DO WHAT WE WERE CONTRACTED TO DO WHICH IS TO GET THE ROOF BACK ON THE REAR PORTION THERE. THAT IS NEAR THE REAR RIGHT OF WAY ON THAT WORKSHOP AND GARAGE. AND BASICALLY JUST, KIND OF, PUT IT

BACK THE WAY IT WAS. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO GO TO

THE POWER POINTS. >> YOU MAY NOT NEED TO BUT THERE MIGHT BE QUESTIONS. JUST HOLD ON. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK? >> SO, YOU STARTED THESE RENOVATIONS WITHOUT A PERMIT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS INCORRECT. >> THAT IS INCORRECT. I THOUGHT

I HAD READ THAT. >> SO, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WAS THAT MS. STOWELL WHEN SHE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE WORKED WITH, BUT SHE WORKED WITH SOMEBODY TO START PUTTING THINGS BACK TOGETHER ON THAT BEFORE WE WERE EVER CONTACTED. SHE GOT A STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE SHE WAS DOING THINGS WITHOUT A PERMIT. SO, SHE FINALLY CONTACTED A CONTRACTOR WHICH IS US, OF COURSE, BUILDERS. WHEN SHE DID WE SAID, OKAY, WE GOT TO DO THIS PROPERLY AND THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AND THAT IS ABOUT A YEAR AGO. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HER TO TRY TO GET THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.

>> WELL, THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR. SO, THERE'S ALSO TWO OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE BACK THAT YOU ALL ARE RENOVATING?

>> THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO BUILDINGS. IT'S TWO BUILDINGS BUT IT'S ONE. IT'S A WORKSHOP AND GARAGE THAT IS SANDWICHED TOGETHER AND THAT ROOF WAS FALLING IN AND ON IT. I HAVE PICTURES OF THAT BEFORE WE SET FOOT IN THEIR . ALSO AFTER WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THAT DEBRIS AND EVERYTHING OUT OF THE WAY. IT'S JUST DOWN TO THE BLOCKS.

>> OKAY. THANKS. SO, REMOVING THE STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT, THAT LITTLE FRONT ROOM , PORCH, ENTRYWAY, THAT PUTS YOU OUT OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF A1A AND FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WOULD NOT HAVE AN ISSUE.

>> TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THAT IS CORRECT. IT WAS REMOVED AND THE CONCRETE WAS STILL THERE. YOU STILL NEED TO GET THE CONCRETE OUT OF THERE. THE CONCRETE HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. LOOKING AT THE AREA --

>> LOOKING AT THE AREA AND THE PHOTOS IT'S NOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE THE HEALTH -- HOUSE JUST SOUTH OF YOU ALSO JUTS OUT. THAT'S CLOSE TO A1A .

>> YEAH, ACTUALLY, IF YOU STAND ON THE CORNER OF A1A DOWN BY WHERE THE -- OH, YOU GUYS ARE GOOD. OVER THE WHERE -- THERE YOU SEE THE HOUSES, WE PUT A COUPLE OF REDLINES THEIR SECRECY ROUGHLY WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH AND WHERE WE ARE AT THEIR TWO HOUSES THAT JUT OUT FURTHER THAN WE DO NOW THAT THE STOOP HAS

BEEN REMOVED. >> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY EX PARTAKE. I FORGOT I DID SEND AN EMAIL WITH THE ITEM TO A FRIEND OF MINE, PAT HAMILTON. HE'S A LOCAL REAL ESTATE BROKER AND A FORMER PRESIDENT AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION BUT I NEVER HEARD BACK. I WAS ASKING HIS OPINION SINCE HE LIVES RIGHT THERE BUT I DIDN'T HEAR BACK. IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE THAT CLOSE TO A1A RIGHT-OF-WAY AND YOU HAVE REMOVED THAT PART OF THE HOUSE IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT AND YOU ARE LICENSED CONTRACTOR AND GETTING THINGS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IT WOULD BE HARD TO PENALIZE YOU ALL IN REGARDS TO THIS. THE VARIANCE ON THE SIDES AND THE BACK , I KNOW THE STRUCTURES ARE ALREADY THERE FOR MANY YEARS, SO, THAT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION TO WRESTLE

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WITH BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE THERE AND RENOVATING. SO, DO YOU

PLAN TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE? >> NO. THIS ISN'T MY HOUSE.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS HER HOUSE. >> NO, KIM IS OUR OFFICE LIAISON AT FORREST BUILDERS. SHE IS HERE BECAUSE SHE KNOWS A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION EVEN BETTER THAN I DO BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH TALKING WITH PNC AND KNOWS THE TIMELINE AND KNOWS WHEN THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AND NOT HAPPENED.

>> APPRECIATE THAT. SORRY TO CONFUSE THE IDENTITY OF THE

PERSON. >> NO. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> MR. NINE I'M LIKE I DO WISH WE COULD TALK TO THE PEOPLE OF THE PROPERTY ABOUT IT. IT'S NICE, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM BUTLER BEACH. A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION. IT'S A MESS THOUGH. I WENT OUT THERE, YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH WORK TO DO ON THE HOUSE BUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF PERHAPS REGARDING THIS OR MR. TAYLOR AS FAR AS APPROVING VARIANCES HERE, THEY COME BACK, YOU ALREADY HAVE PERMITS BECAUSE TO ME THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION THAT CLOSE TO THE BEACH AND I'M LOOKING AND THEY ARE BELOW SEA LEVEL IT LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST IN THE BACK GARAGE AREA. I WANT TO ASK YOU, IS THAT GOING TO BE LIVING SPACE? THAT BACK ROOM, THE DO THEY INTEND THAT TO BE A GARAGE OR WORKSHOP OR IS THERE GOING TO BE PLUMBING AND ELECTRICITY, OF COURSE

ELECTRICITY. BACK THERE? >> YEAH, SO, I'M SORRY, DID I

INTERRUPT YOU? >> NO.

>> OKAY. SO, IN THIS PICTURE YOU CAN SEE THIS WAS THE WORKSHOP

NEXT TO WHERE THE GARAGES. >>

>> SIR, PLEASE HOLD YOUR RESPONSE.

>> SO, THERE WAS PLUMBING IN THIS BUILDING AND I'M NOT SURE AS TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. ALL I CAN SAY WAS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SINCE WE HAVE BEEN THERE. SO, THERE IS PLUMBING IN THEIR AND WE ARE AWARE THAT IT IS BELOW WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO TAKE WHERE THE TOP OF THE BUILDING IS HERE AND RAISE THE FLOOR HERE TO GET UP TO WHEREVER WE NEED TO BE , EIGHT FEET, WE NEED TO BE EIGHT FEET ABOVE THE ELEVATION. THAT WOULD BE -- OR TWO AND THEN FILLING IN THE ROOF RACK TO WHERE WAS AND RAISING TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. CAN YOU SEE ME? OKAY. SO, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL --

>> OKAY, SO, AS FAR AS A FRIEND HOW SO, DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO BRING THE FRONT HOUSE INTO CODE IF WE ARE CHANGING THE

-- >> AS OF RIGHT NOW, I HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED TO DO ANYTHING ON THE FRONT HOUSE. THE ONLY THING THAT WAS PART OF MY SCOPE OF WORK WAS FIXING THIS BACK AREA.

I AM AWARE THAT THE HOUSE IN AND OF ITSELF IS GOING TO NEED EXTENSIVE WORK ON IT BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD CHANGE THE CURRENT

FOOTPRINT OF THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. COULD I -- IS OR SOMEBODY FROM BUILDING PERMITS, PERMITTING HERE? IF I COULD JUST ASK. I'M SORRY. THIS IS ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS. I THOUGHT MAYBE HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP. YEAH. ANYONE. FILE THE GREEN

LIGHT. >> JOHN ADAMS. BUILDING

DEPARTMENT. >> HI, MR. ADAMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT. IF YOU DID HAVE THIS PARCEL SINCE NO WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE LIVABLE. OF COURSE, I'M NOT AN INSPECTOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE ON BOTH PLACES TO MAKE THEM BE INHABITABLE. CONSIDERING THERE IS LIKE A FOOT BETWEEN THE CONCRETE BLOCK AND THE FENCE ON THE NEXT PROPERTY LINE HOW COULD ANY OF THAT BE MITIGATED FOR FIRE AND CODE.

>> ANYTHING WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE WOULD HAVE TO BE A FIRE RATED WALL AND IT COULD'VE BEEN ANY WINDOWS OR ANYTHING. THAT'S WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

>> THERE'S WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT.

>> I WILL SAY, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION SENT IN FOR THE FRONT HOUSE FOR INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WE REJECTED

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BECAUSE OF SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE HOUSE WOULD

HAVE TO BE RAISED. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I KNOW THIS IS WHAT A GREAT THING, LET'S DO THIS I JUST

DON'T SEE IT AS DOABLE. >> THIS HAS TO BE RAISED TOO.

>> HE JUST SAID THAT. YEAH. TO EIGHT FEET. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA BUT I THINK SOMEBODY DID NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK WHEN THEY PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS ONE. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH YOU BEING HERE AND EDUCATING ME ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> SO, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT A HARDSHIP, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE HARDSHIP IS HERE? TO REQUEST A VARIANCE THAT STANDARD IS THAT THERE IS A HARDSHIP IN CARRYING OUT THE LETTER OF THE LAW . THE LETTER OF OUR CODE. I'M SORRY. I DON'T ME TO CATCH YOU BY SURPRISE. I REALLY HATE PLAYING GOTCHA, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THAT.

>> I'M NOT SURE OF ANY HARDSHIP. ALL I KNOW IS I GOT AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD OWNER WHO BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND LIKE TO PUT IT BACK AND I WAS LIKE WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T BELIEVE

AGE IS A HARDSHIP . >> AND IT'S NOT. IT DOESN'T

REALLY COUNT. >> IS JUST A MATTER OF SOMETHING THAT SHE WANTED TO BUY AND WANTED TO DO .

>> OKAY. >> THAT'S AS FAR AS I KNOW.

>> I APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING THE TIME TO DISPLAY AND THAT'S ME.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'M GLAD THE FIRE CAN BE MITIGATED. THAT WAS A CONCERN. BUT I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SEEING IT. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> REAL QUICK. THE SECOND FRONT ON THE REAR SIDE WHERE THE ROAD IS IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE

REQUESTING? >> THE BUILDING OR PROTECT -- YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT THE TINY SCREEN?

>> YOU GET THE REDUCTION TO THE FRONT SECTION AND THEN YOU HAVE THE REDUCTION TO THE SECOND FRONT WHICH IS THAT IS THE REAR

STREET. >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IT ALSO SAYS DETACHED. WHERE IS THAT GOING IN?

>> I'M SORRY. THERE IS NONE. >> I APOLOGIZE. JACOB SMITH FOR THE RECORD. THERE'S A TYPE ON THE FRONT TITLE PAGE. IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE REST OF THE STAFF REPORT. IT'S A TYPO.

>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIVING QUARTERS. THAT YOU'RE

PUTTING IN THERE? >> TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NO, SIR. SHE HAS BEEN ASKING AND REQUESTING THAT GOES BACK AS A GARAGE AND A WORKING AREA FOR IN THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY

ARTS AND CRAFTS THERE ARE. >> I WAS CONCERNED WHEN I SAW BECAUSE THE MORTAR BETWEEN SOME OF THOSE CINDERBLOCKS DEFINITELY NEEDS REPLACING AND IT'S DEFINITELY ON THE LOWER SIDE OF IT. AND REALLY, TO BE HONEST, AND BLUNT ABOUT IT, PROBABLY BETTER IF SHE TOOK A BULLDOZER TO THE WHOLE THING AND BUILT FROM SCRATCH BECAUSE IN THE SHED IS GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT OR IS

THAT GOING TO STAY? >> AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE SHED

WOULD GO AWAY. >> THE ROOF IS CAVED IN ON THE SHED. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. AND I SAW THE OTHER STUFF WAS ALREADY REMOVED AND THE HOUSE ITSELF IS IN ROUGH SHAPE. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE WE ARE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE COME FORWARD. YUCK AND HAVE A SEAT AND YOU CAN RSPOND ONCE I CALL YOU BACK UP. YES, SIR. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

>> DS 6033 A1A SOUTH. I ALSO REPRESENT 6025, 6817, 1611, 68 105. THE REASON I'M HERE THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO A PROPERTY I HAVE . THIS PROPERTY NOT ONLY IS IT ADJACENT BUT IT ALSO ENCROACHED AT ONE POINT ONTO MY PROPERTY WHEN THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY THEY REMOVED, DID US THE FAVOR AND REMOVE THE OVERHANG AND ENCROACHMENT INTO CARE OF THAT .

THEY STARTED APPARENTLY DOING REPAIRS AFTER IMMEDIATELY BUYING THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A PERMIT AND REMOVE THE ROOFS, WINDOWS, BUILDINGS, SHEDS, EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THAT PROPERTY THUS LEAVING PROBABLY 40% OF WHAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE. IT USED TO BE A HOMELESS CAMP UNTIL I FINALLY OBTAINED PERMITS FOR THE LOTS ON THE CORNER OF THIS BLOCK WHICH REQUIRED ME TO COME BEFORE YOU GUYS TO REQUEST A SETBACK VARIANCE ON THE REAR STREET THAT

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HAS NEVER BEEN BUILT AND THAT DETERMINED MY SETBACKS TO BE -- YOU HAD TO REQUEST A 10 FOOT REAR SETBACK ON THESE FUTURE HOMES THAT WE ARE BUILDING OF 10 FEET IN ORDER TO MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR RS THREE WHICH IS 25 FEET FROM FROM ANY ROAD, EIGHT FEET SIDES ARE MANY SIDE PROPERTY, 10 FEET REAR FROM ANY REAR PROPERTY. THEY WERE CALLING THIS TOO FRONT PROPERTY EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS NO ROAD EVEN THOUGH THE EASEMENT ON THE BACK IS ONLY 27 FEET AND NEVER HAD AN ASPHALT ROAD OR ROAD BUILT THERE. ONCE WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE COUNTY ACCEPTED THAT IT IS UTILITY EASEMENT NOW AND I CAME BEFORE THE BOARD YOU GUYS GRANTED ME THE RIGHT TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THIS. THAT IS WHAT I WAS REQUIRED TO DO WHICH IS TO HAVE A 10 FOOT REAR SETBACK. HIS PROPERTY BASICALLY FALLS ON THE REAR ALLEY SIDE LITERALLY ALMOST ON THE PROPERTY LINE . THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE REPRESENTING ALSO ABUTS ALMOST A FOOT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY THAT I OWNED THERE AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MEET FIRE REQUIREMENTS IT'S A DILAPIDATED SLAB THERE . IT HAS NO FOOTER, HAS NO TIE BEAMS, WITH THE EXISTING WALLETS THERE SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO REPAIR. THERE IS A LOT OF STRESS CRACKS ON THE EXISTING CONCRETE AND THE REASON FOR THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE GROUND SHIFTING. THE EXISTING SHED IS SITTING ON TOP OF THE SEPTIC THAT IS APPARENTLY THERE THAT HAS CAUSED THE SHED TO COLLAPSE AND THESE CONTRACTORS THAT WERE HIRED APPARENTLY SEEM TO HAVE SHOWN UP AFTER THE FACT AFTER THEY APPARENTLY GOT CAUGHT DOING WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT AND REMOVED ALL OF THE STRUCTURE SO THE STRUCTURE ONCE THEY WERE CONTRACTOR WAS ALREADY 60% GONE , NEVER TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE WAS LEAD PAINT ON THE BUILDING THERE.

>> SIR, I CAN'T LET YOU KEEP ON GOING. YOUR TIME IS UP. BUT I

UNDERSTAND. >> SO, MY POINT IS THAT I HAD TO MEET ALL MY REQUIREMENTS, THE BUILDINGS, THE WALLS THAT ARE THERE WHERE HOUSING AN APARTMENT THAT APPARENTLY WAS OCCUPIED YEARS AGO. THIS HOUSE HAS APPARENTLY BEEN ABANDONED FOR NUMBER OF YEARS AND HAS BEEN LEFT ABANDONED AND I'M SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF MONEY PLUS THE ANGLE OF VISIBILITY PULLING OUT OF MY LOTS LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE BEACHES , BACK BUILDING AS IT EXISTS INTERRUPTS THE ANGLE OF VISIBILITY WHICH IS PART OF WHY WE HAVE ZONING CODES FOR 25 FEET FRONT SETBACKS FOR MAIN

ROADS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT. DR. HILSENBECK DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK THE GENTLEMAN WAS JUST SPEAKING, HAS YOUR PERMIT EXPIRED FOR THOSE FOUR HOUSES?

>> NO. WE CLEARED THE PROPERTY AND THEN WE ARE THINKING OF PURSUING OTHER DIRECTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY. WE ARE CONCERNED.

JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND WE HAD TWO ACCIDENTS IN THAT CORNER.

I'M DEBATING WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY. IT'S REALLY A VERY HIGHLY TRAFFICKED AREA AND NOW THEY DID US A FAVOR AND DID A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. NOW THE TRAFFIC LITERALLY STACKS UP. WE HAVE PARKING THAT OCCURS BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS NO PARKING . THEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. NOW EVERYBODY PARKS ON THE WEEKEND AND YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF THE LOTS AND VERY DIFFICULT THING. ARE NOMINATED CRESCENT BEACH MAYOR WILL ATTEST THAT IS HIDEOUS THERE AND THE PEOPLE JUST PARK WHEREVER THEY CAN FIND PARKING AND THIS OCCURRED WAY BEFORE THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THE PUBLIC BEACH THERE AND IS JUST GETTING PROGRESSIVELY WORSE AND LIKE I SAID JUST THIS WEEKEND, PAST WEEKEND THERE WAS TWO ACCIDENTS THERE. I'VE HAD A NEIGHBOR DIE IN THAT CORNER. SO, IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS CORNER AND WE ARE, KIND OF, SCRATCHING OUR HEADS WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS A THREE FOOT, FEMA REQUIRED US ONCE WE PULLED OUR PERMITS REQUIRED US TO PUT IN THREE FEET OF FILL. THAT GREEN WALL THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT IS THE ELEVATION REQUIREMENT. IT IS NOT ONE OR TWO BLOCKS. WE HAVE A COURSE OF BLOCKS THERE ARE FINISHED FLOOR WAS SEVEN FEET. WE HAVE TO FILL IT TO NINE.

>> OKAY. YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO DO FILTER TO THREE FEET. YOU CAN'T

DO A STEM WALL? >> THAT STEM WALL, THAT'S RETAINING WALL. THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN HIT BY A -- BY THE WAY.

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THAT RETAINING WALLS THE ACTUAL FLOOD LINE THE FEMA REQUIRES NOW. WE HAVE TO BUILD FROM THAT POINT UP. THAT WAS A FIVE COURSE

BLOCK WALL. >> YOU ARE USING A STEM WALL.

>> WE ARE USING RETAINING WALL AND THEN WE ARE USING A STEM WALL WITH THE SLAB. WE ARE GOING UP 11 FEET ANYWAY IF WE DON'T

WORK SOMETHING OUT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE HERE? >> GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. IS THAT LOUD ENOUGH? MY NAME IS ANDY KRISTIN, I LIVE AT 6834 A AVENUE AND THAT IS LOCATED WELL, A AVENUE AS YOU KNOW IS PARALLEL TO A1A AND FOR MY PROPERTY TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ROUGHLY A STRAIGHT LINE WEST ACROSS A1A FROM A1 AVENUE. I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF A AVENUE. I RECEIVED THE NOTICE IN THE MAIL MY NEIGHBORS HAVE RECEIVED IT AND I TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THEM UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY BUT THE ONES I SPOKE TO SHARE MY VIEW OF CONCERN THAT A REQUEST TO MAKE A VARIANCE OF THIS NATURE ISN'T JUST TEMPORARY OR SHORT-TERM ARE FOR THE CURRENT PROPERTY HOLDER , IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS A NON-REAL ESTATE EXPERT THAT YOU MAKE A VARIANCE AND IT'S FOR A LONG TIME. SOMEBODY HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS KIND OF TROUBLE TO CHANGE IT BACK IF IT LED TO A FUTURE PROPOSAL LET'S SAY TO BUILD -- PUT A BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS MULTIUNIT INVOLVING , YOU KNOW, SEVERAL FAMILIES IN ONE BUILDING FOR EXAMPLE, A CONDOMINIUM THAT HAS THREE OR FOUR CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY , YOU KNOW, I ONLY SEE THIS PROPERTY WHEN I DRIVE BY IT TO GO TO MY HOUSE BUT THERE IS ALWAYS CONGESTION AND HIGH DENSITY IN THAT PART OF CRESCENT BEACH BECAUSE IT IS A NICE PLACE TO LIVE IN THE BEACHES ARE GREAT AND THERE IS A BIG PARKING LOT JUST 100 YARDS AWAY. AND SPEAKING TO MY NEIGHBORS, I DIDN'T BRING EVIDENCE OF THEIR OPINION BUT I CAN PROVIDE YOU THAT AT A LATER DATE, I SPOKE TO JUDY AND HANS BOWMAN. I SPOKE TO THE GARDNER FAMILY WHICH OWNS THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME . I SPOKE TO ANNA BEARS TO SAY THIS, I DON'T KNOW LEONARD'S LAST NAME, YOU KNOW LEONARD'S LAST NAME WHO LIVES WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. TWO DOORS DOWN FOR ME BUT I'LL GET LEONARD'S LAST NAME AND ADDRESS AS WELL AND THEN JOE AND BONNIE CONNOR WHO LIVED TWO DOORS DOWN FOR ME THEY ALL SHARE THE VIEW THAT I'M TRYING TO EXPRESS HERE THAT A VARIANCE OF THIS NATURE THAT INCREASES THE POSSIBILITY THAT ENLARGES THE POTENTIAL BUILDING ON THAT SITE COULD ULTIMATELY LEAD TO A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE DENSITY AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT VARIANCES ARE PUT IN PLACE TO CONTROL DENSITY AND LIMIT IT. LIMIT THE DENSITY. THAT'S OUR EXPRESSION OF THE ISSUE , DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME?

>> I THINK WE ARE GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND RESPOND TO ANYTHING WHERE YOU ARE GOOD TO GO? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR DISCUSSION,

MOTION. >> I LIKE TO TRY TO MAKE A MOTION. CAN THERE BE DISCUSSION AFTER? IS THAT OKAY? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ZONING VARIANCE 2024-24 BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE WILL MOTION FOR NOW. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION?

>> ANY DISCUSSION? WHAT YOU THINK? I MEAN, I AGREE. I JUST THINK THIS IS A DO OVER. IT JUST GOT TO START OVER. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AVENUE C SETBACK. I GET IT. IT'S AN UNOPENED ROAD. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A ROAD AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM REDUCING FROM 10 FEET TO 25 BUT ONE FOOT I'VE A PROBLEM WITH. IT'S RIGHT UP ON THE PROPERTY LINE UP FRONT AS WELL. THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME THAT IT'S SUCH A SMALL SETBACK FROM THE HIGHWAY FOR VISIBILITY. IT'S A VERY TRAFFICKED AREA. I THINK THIS IS

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A PROBLEM. I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO START OVER. THAT'S MY

OPINION. >> MR. MATOVINA?

>> PERHAPS WE SHOULD VEST THIS EARLIER BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT IS A HARDSHIP HERE AND TECHNICALLY THERE COULD BE A HARDSHIP BUT THE QUESTION I GUESS IS WHAT WAS THE APPLICANT AWARE OF WHEN THEY PURCHASED THIS AND WHAT WAS THEIR INTENT WHEN THEY PURCHASES? AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE COULD STILL OPEN IT BACK UP TO HEAR AN ANSWER TO THAT. IT'S UP TO YOU. MADAME

CHAIRPRSON. >> NO, SIR. LEX, I THINK WE CAN

ADDRESS THAT. >> AS LONG AS THE CHAIR FINDS THAT IN ORDER THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH ASKING ADDITIONAL

QUESTIONS AND CLARIFYING. >> THAT'S FINE. I THINK THE OWNERS NOT HERE IF I'M CORRECT. MR. FORREST, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? AND IF YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION?

>> YEAH. I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE INTENT WAS BY THE PURCHASER , THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW THE INTENT WAS THIS WAS GOING TO BE WHERE SHE WAS LIVING . THIS WOULD BE A PART OF, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HER RETIREMENT AND FINISHING OFF, YOU KNOW, LIFE AS IT WERE OVER THERE ON THE A1A. I'M NOT SURE THE DEPTH OF THAT OR WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF PLANNING AND ZONING BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT WAS HER INTENT WAS TO MAKE THE HOME HER HOME AND TO HAVE THE GARAGE AND BACK. AND THAT'S AS FAR AS I KNOW WHAT SHE WAS PLANNING ON DOING WITH THE HOUSE WHEN SHE

PURCHASED IT TWO YEARS AGO. >> DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS A TITLE INSURANCE AND A BOUNDARY?

>> TITLE INSURANCE AND BOUNDARY SURVEY? I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T A PART OF THE TITLE IN THE PURCHASE ON THE HOME.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE. YOU SAID YOU'RE ONLY CONTRACTED TO DO

THE WORKSHOP IN THE GARAGE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CALLED IN TO DO WHEN SHE HAD THE STOP WORK ORDER.

>> THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS IS NOT LIVABLE. SHE CAN'T LIVE THERE. THAT NEEDS TO BE REDONE, CORRECT?

>> AS FAR AS I KNOW. THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTION I HAVE.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE COMMON FOR INFORMATION. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE SAYS THIS ADDRESS IS ACTUALLY 6841. THERE IS NO 68 ON OUR COUNTY RECORDS OF DEEDS AND PROPERTIES. THE NUMBER 6841. IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

>> THAT'S ACTUALLY THE INCORRECT NUMBER.

>> SHE WAS THE ONE THAT SAID IT WOULD BE 68 .5.

>> THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SAYS 6841. THERE IS NO 6845.

>> I AGREE. >> SO, IF YOU'VE GOT A BOUNDARY SURVEY SHOWN ON THIS CONDITION YOU ARE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THE CONDITION IS OR SHOULD BE I DON'T SEE A HARDSHIP HERE. THE HARDSHIP IS PERHAPS MONETARY WHICH IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE

HARDSHIP, UNFORTUNATELY. >> I THINK YOU COULD ARGUE THERE IS A HARDSHIP BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE 25 FRONT IN THE 25 IN THE BACK BUT THEN YOU COULD PLACE THE HOUSE IF YOU ARE TEARING IT DOWN AND THAT TO BUILD. SO, BUT SINCE THEY'RE NOT FOCUSING ON THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND THEIR ONLY FOCUSING ON THE WORKSHOP AND GARAGE I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REASON TO JUSTIFY THE VARIANCE. IF SHE WAS WORKING ON THE HOUSE THEN MAYBE I COULD GET THERE. BUT JUST MY THOUGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WE ARE GOING TO REGISTER TO VOTE. THIS IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL. A YES VOTE IS TO DENY. ALL RIGHT. THAT

MOTION PASSES. I APOLOGIZE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

[2. NZVAR 2024-20 Church of Eleven 22 Signage. Request for a Non-Zoning Variance to the Greenbriar Downs Planned Unit Development (ORD. 2019-15, as amended) to allow for proposed wall signs to exceed the maximum Advertising Display Area (ADA) prescribed pursuant to Section 7.02.04.B.6 of the Land Development Code, specifically located at 2101 Longleaf Pine Parkway.]

>> ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. IS THERE ANY X PARTAKE?

>> YES, MADAM CHAIR. I DID A SITE VISIT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. LABANOWSKI? >> I VISITED THE SITE ALSO.

>> ALL RIGHT WITH THE AGENT OR APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD

FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS RANDY TAYLOR WITH TAYLOR SIGN AND DESIGN 4162 SAINT AUGUSTINE ROAD JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SEEK A VARIANCE FOR AN INCREASE IN SIGNAGE FOR

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THIS BUILDING LOCATED OFF OF LONGLEAF PINE. CHURCH OF 1122 HAS STARTED A NEW CAMPUS HERE AND THEY ARE DOING A BEAUTIFUL JOB. IT'S A VERY, VERY LARGE BUILDING. THE NEW CAMPUS IS FOR KIDS. IT'S FOR STUDENTS. IT'S FOR ALL THE COMMUNITY TO JOIN .

THE PROBLEM WE ARE SEEING WITH THE SIGNAGE IS THE MAIN SIGN WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS YOU FACE LONGLEAF PINE , THE DISTANCE FROM LONGLEAF PINE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS 408 FEET. VISIBILITY IS VERY HARD FROM THAT DISTANCE. THAT IS PARTIALLY THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE IN SIGNAGE. CHURCH OF 1122 HAS A LOT OF CAMPUSES AROUND FLORIDA AND JACKSONVILLE . THEY JUST DID ONE HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. THEIR BRANDING IS VERY CONSISTENT TO ALL THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS MAKING IT VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO FIND IT AND KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THEM. THEY DO HAVE -- THIS IS A VERY LARGE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SURVEY, THE SIGNAGE IS LIKE I SAY 408 FEET FROM THE MAIN ROAD. YOU GOT TWO ENTRANCES OFF OF -- I CAN'T SEE THAT STREET THERE. NICE LANE HAS A COUPLE OF MONUMENT SIGNS THERE WHICH ARE ALREADY EXISTING AND THEY CONFORM AND EVERYTHING IS FINE THERE BUT COMING IN FROM THE FRONT IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD TO SEE THE BUILDING. THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE ENTRANCES OF THE OTHER STREET TO THE RIGHT WHICH ARE ALSO MORE THAN 400 FEET AWAY. SO, WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE SIGNAGE FOR VISIBILITY. THE SIGNS ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THEY ARE BASICALLY -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN SWITCH THAT.

>> SHE IS WORKING ON IT. >> THESE ARE THE SIGNS THAT WE ARE INTENDING TO PUT ON THE BUILDING. THE LARGEST SIGN ON THE TOP OF THE DRAWING IS THE ONE FOR THE ENTRANCE WHICH IS THE 408 FEET AWAY. THE OTHER SIGNS ARE WAYFINDING SIGNS, BASICALLY IT'S FOR KIDS, STUDENTS AND THE SOUTH ENTRANCE.

I CAN SHOW YOU THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT SIGNS UP THERE. SIGN FOR, TWO, FIVE AND THREE. THOSE OF THE SMALLER SIGNS THAT ARE DESIGNATING ENTERED IN THE BUILDING FROM THE REAR. SO, THEY HAVE THOSE IN THE BACK AND SIGN NUMBER THREE AS YOU COME IN FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS NO SIGNAGE THERE AT ALL. THEY JUST PUT LOGO E UP THERE FOR RECOGNITION SO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN THOSE THEY WILL KNOW IT'S CHURCH AT 1122. WE FEEL THIS IS VERY UNIQUE TO ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS . EVERYTHING IS VERY CONSISTENT. ALL THE LOCATIONS WE HAVE DONE , WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT IS TOO OUT OF SCALE AS YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE BUILDING. IT REALLY DOES COMPLEMENT THE BUILDING. IT'S NOT TOO BIG AND IF YOU PUT ANY SMALLER IT WILL LOOK LIKE A POSTAGE STAMP UP THERE. WE'RE JUST TRY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING SIZE IN THIS

PARTICULAR LOCATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY

QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK. >> YOU REPRESENT THE SIGN

COMPANY? >> YES, SIR.

>> SO YOU ARE AWARE OF THE SIGN SIZE LIMITATIONS IN THE COUNTY?

>> YES. WE DO ZONING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

>> SINCE YOU ARE HERE REPRESENTING THEM AS WELL.

>> YES. >> I DID SUPPORT THE ONE, THE LARGE CROSS ON THE BUILDING, THEY PURCHASE BETWEEN US-1 AND OLD -- ROAD. I SUPPORTED THAT. IT DID PASS. BUT THIS ONE I HAVE ISSUES WITH AND THAT IS IT'S MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT TO MONUMENT SIZES OUT THERE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE

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AND THAT'S A HUGE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL IT IS. I SHOULD'VE GONE OUT THERE BUT I DID NOT HAVE TIME THIS WEEK. BUT LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTO IT SEEMS LIKE IT SITTING OUT IN A FIELD BY ITSELF , CLEARED LOT AND IT LOOKS LIKE A MASSIVE BUILDING AND YOU SHOWED THE DIMENSIONS THERE FOR 342 OR MORE

FEET ACROSS. >> THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 340 FEET ACROSS. IT'S A VERY LARGE BUILDING. IT'S JUST BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THIS BUILDING ANYWHERE AND I'M SURE WHEN THEY WROTE THE CODE THEY WEREN'T TAKING THIS BUILDING INTO CONSIDERATION. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE HERE.

MOST BUILDINGS WOULD BE A THIRD OF THE SIZE AND IN A STRIP MALL YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL SUITE'S AND YOU HAVE TO GO BY THE LINEAR FRONT END OF EACH INDIVIDUAL SUITE BUT WITH THIS BUILDING BEING SO MASSIVE AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE DRAWING FROM A MASSIVE SIGN THIS BUILDING IT REALLY SUITS THE BUILDING AND IT MATCHES WITH EVERYTHING ELSE AND LIKE I SAY, 408 FEET IF YOU'RE NOT COMING DOWN THE STREET ON THE SIDE YOU SEE NOTHING. IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE LOOKING YOU BE ABLE TO SEE 400 FEET AWAY YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BUILDING IS AND THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT. I'VE SEEN STATISTICS ON PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT FAR AWAY.

IT COULD CAUSE CAR ACCIDENTS. PEOPLE LOOKING TRY TO SEE WHAT IT IS, THEY JUST CAN'T SEE IT THAT WILL. IS NOT THAT VISIBLE.

THEY'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE TO SEE IT. SOMETHING IT HAPPENED, AN ACCIDENT COULD HAPPEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FOR VISIBILITY AND SAFETY AND SOME SORT OF A REASON, LIKE I SAY, I THINK IT'S VERY UNIFORM TO ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS AND I THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS AS FAR AS SIZE GOES. IT SUITS THE BUILDING IT'S IN UNIFORMLY AND THE BUILDING IS A MESS.

>> THE CROSS IS ALREADY UP ON THE BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? I

THOUGHT I HAD READ THAT. >> YES.

>> OKAY. AND HOW TALL IS THE BUILDING?

>> 40? >>

BE BETWEEN 40 AND 50 FEET. >> BETWEEN 40 AND 50?

>> YEAH. I'M BASING THAT OFF THE DRAWING.

>> HAS THE SIGN ALREADY BEEN MADE?

>> NO. IT IS NOT. >> OKAY.

>> WAITING FOR PERMISSION. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. I MAY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION LATER BUT THANK YOU.

>> MR. LABANOWSKI? >> YOU SAID THERE WAS TO STREET

MONUMENTS OUT THERE ALREADY? >> YES, THEY ARE LOCATED ON THE

-- >> ON THE SIDE ROAD?

>> YES. >> DOESN'T LONGLEAF ALSO HAVE A MONUMENT AS WELL? WHEN I WAS OUT THERE I THOUGHT I SAW AN OUT

THERE. >> KNOW. AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS NO MONUMENTS OUT THERE THAT THEY COULD PUT THEIR NAME ON.

THERE'S ONLY THE TWO MONUMENTS ON THE VERY CORNER.

>> IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THE ONE ON THE COURT ITSELF.

>> THAT'S BASICALLY FOR THE MALL TO THE RIGHT WHICH HAS BUILDINGS IN THERE. IT'S REALLY FOR THAT FACILITY OVER THERE,

NOT FOR THIS FACILITY. >> I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF IT AS WELL. THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF WHAT'S ALLOWED

IS RATHER LARGE. >> MISS SPIEGEL?

>> HI. ALL ABOUT CHURCH AND I THINK THAT IS WONDERFUL. I REALLY DO. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A BRANDING THING. I UNDERSTAND IT'S PROPORTIONAL. IT IS A MASSIVE BUILDING. I HAVE TO SAY, JUST TO SPEAK THE TRUTH, I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD BECAUSE I'M SORRY, THAT THING IS MASSIVE AND THIS IS A HUGE SIGN. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A PART OF A PARKING LOT. THERE IS NOTHING HINDERING YOUR VIEW.

YOU'VE GOT ALL THE WAY COMING DOWN THE ROAD ALL THE WAY PAST.

I DISAGREE. THE MONUMENT SIDE ON THE CORNER OF LONGLEAF AND MARK THERE. OR WHATEVER, IT DOES DIRECT YOU INTO THE ROAD THAT TAKES YOU INTO THE PARKING LOT. I THINK THAT IS THERE. I WAS WONDERING, MR. SMITH, I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING ON THE SPOT. WISH I WOULD'VE THOUGHT OF THIS EARLIER, IS THERE A WAY YOU COULD LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN THAT WE APPROVED FOR THE 1122 THAT WAS APPROVED A US-1? A FEW

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MONTHS AGO? >> YES, MA'AM. GIVE ME ONE

MOMENT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, HUNDRED AND 50 FEET ALOUD MAXIMUM FOR SIGNED AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR 473 AND I DO UNDERSTAND OUR LDC DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THESE BIG MEGA THINGS BUT OUR LDC IS WHAT OUR LDC IS AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE PEOPLE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR THESE. I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN OKAY THING. MAYBE THE CODE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD START WORKING BUT FOR RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE -- I DO SEE THE NEED FOR A BIGGER SIGN, MAY BE, THE HUNDRED AND 50 FEET BUT I THINK YOUR ASK IS OUT OF LINE, OUT OF CHARACTER. I JUST THINK IT'S OVER-THE-TOP. THAT'S MY

CONCERN. >> LIKE I SAY, I FEEL BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE BUILDING BEING WHERE IT IS IT IS NOT A STRIP MALL BUILDING, IT'S A FREESTANDING BUILDING WHICH IS IT'S A HUGE BUILDING AND IT'S MASSIVE. AND TO GO A LOT SMALLER ON THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT ON THE BUILDING WHEN YOU'VE GOT

A TINY STAMP ON THE BUILDING. >> MR. TAYLOR, YOU ARE A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE OR COMPANY. I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION AND I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION AND YOUR GOOD SALESMAN AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. SO, I'M JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. THANK YOU.

>> MR. SMITH? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DID BRING OUT THE CHURCH OF 1122 NON-ZONING VARIANCE THAT WAS SAINT AUGUSTINE LOCATION. IT WAS 266 SQUARE FEET APPROVAL FOR THE

MAIN SIGN. >> I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.

WITH THAT SIZE. OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DR.

HILSENBECK? >> THIS IS MORE, THAN A QUESTION. THE SIGN THAT THERE WERE SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WAS IN A SHOPPING CENTER IT WAS BEHIND OTHER BUILDINGS. IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AND IT'S A GOOD THING THE CHURCH WENT IN THERE. I THINK THAT WAS EXCELLENT. I VOTED FOR THAT. THAT DID HAVE VISIBILITY PROBLEMS. I DON'T SEE THAT THIS ONE DOES HAVE VISIBILITY PROBLEMS. SO IT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME. SO.

>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. TAYLOR, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT AND WILL HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE COMBAT -- PUBLIC

COME UP AND SPEAK. >> IF WE COULD LEAVE THE SCREEN UP THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. LIKE MISSES SPIEGEL I'M ALL FOR CHURCH. I'M GLAD THEY'RE THERE. BUT LOOK, I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THERE IS A MONUMENT OUT THERE THAT ANNOUNCES THAT YOU ARE HERE. YOU ARE HERE AT THE CHURCH AND THEN IT DIRECTS YOU IN. AND AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED YOU KNOW, YOU ARE LOOKING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING AND AS A RETIRED ARCHITECT, THANK YOU DR.

HILSENBECK AS A RETIRED ARCHITECT OR AS AN ARCHITECT I HAVE TO SAY THAT ARCHITECTURE HAS A LANGUAGE AND IS SUPPOSED TO COMMUNICATE WHAT IT IS AND WHY IT IS. THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL ENTRANCE DESIGN THERE ON THE BUILDING THAT BASES LONGLEAF AND I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE SAYS THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT TO ENTER THIS BUILDING. IT LEAVES IT TO THE MONUMENTS TO SAY TURN HERE .

SO, I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE DOES PLENTY. I DON'T THINK THE SIGN -- THE ENTRANCE IS NOT ANNOUNCED OR MADE BY THE SIGN, IT IS MADE BY THE ARCHITECTURE. HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT OUR LDC IS OUR LDC. IT IS OUR STANDARD AND SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WAY. I WILL SAY THAT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WE SAW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE . I WAS PRESENTED OPTIONS A, B AND C. THIS IS WHAT WILL LIKE THIS WAY, THIS WAY OR THIS WAY. SOMEONE COULD MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT THEIR PREFERENCE WAS. I DID NOT SEE THAT. I WISH THERE WERE AN OPTION SHOWN WITH THIS IS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I DID NOT SEE THAT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL. BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT IF THE LARGEST SIGN IS DENIED PERHAPS THERE IS YET A POSSIBILITY AND MR. SMITH WOULD KNOW THAT AS TO WHETHER AN ADDITIONAL SMALLER MONUMENT SIGN IS POSSIBLE JUST AS A WAY OF SAYING YOU ARE HERE, GET READY, MAKE YOUR TURN, GO THIS WAY IN THE BUILDING TELLS YOU WHERE YOUR ENTRANCES. I THINK AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW I WOULD BE

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OPPOSED TO THIS LARGER SIGN BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE OTHER OPTIONS . I'M ALL FOR THE CHURCH. I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE BEING HERE, BEING A PART OF THIS CHURCH BUT I JUST THINK THE LARGER SIGN IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE SIGN. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? MR. HUNT? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES. I WAS READING THROUGH THE PACKAGE AND IT SAYS 408 SQUARE FEET FROM THE ROAD OR EXCUSE ME 408 FEET FROM THE ROAD THE CHURCH OF 1122 HAS SUCH A LARGE FOLLOWING THE SIGN NEEDS TO BE IMPERATIVE FOR PEOPLE TO EASILY LOCATE THE CHURCH. OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT'S BESIDE THAT CHURCH? CREEKSIDE HIGH SCHOOL. RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT IS THE SIGN THAT SAYS GATE GAS STATION IS GOING RIGHT THERE. THAT IS BECOMING A HIGHLY ACTIVE CORNER . IT'S ALREADY SHOWING UP THERE THAT THE OTHER PORTION WILL BE CLEARED OUT FOR PARKING AND A STRIP MALL OR SOMETHING WILL BE PUT IN THERE. HOW WILL PEOPLE NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT? I'M LOOKING AT IN THE ASPECT OF WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING.

THAT'S A PARKING LOT AND ONCE THAT IS CLEARED THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THER. THEY GO TO HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT. ANYTHING OPEN DOWN LONGLEAF PINE WIN OUT FOR LANED AND I GOT MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. THE ISSUE OF MAKING A BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER ALL RIGHT? ACTUALLY, LAST YEAR OR EXCUSE ME DURING THIS YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL WHEN HIS SON HAD A GAME AT CREEKSIDE WE THOUGHT IS THAT AMAZON WAREHOUSE? OR SUPER WALMART GOING THERE BECAUSE IT WAS HUGE, OKAY? IF I GET PULLED UP ON THAT PICTURE. GOING TO ZOOM IN. I WOULD. OKAY? THERE IT IS. THAT IS THE RED CROSS. THAT IS MORE OF AN OBJECT MORE RECOGNIZABLE THAN THE BIGGER SIGN. IF SO, WHY DID THEY MAKE THE CROSS SO BIG? THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE COME FOR.

IT'S NOT FOR THE SIGNS. IF THEY PUT THAT UP AND THAT'S TALLER THAN THE BUILDING WHICH THEY FIGURE 40, 50 FOOT, THAT MAY BE 65 FOOT TALL. OKAY? ALSO IN THE PACKET THERE IS AN EMAIL. AND IT'S FROM ONE OF THE ONLY PERSONS WHO EMAILED IN AND SAYS YOU DON'T NEED A BIG SIGN. WE ALL KNOW IT IS A CHURCH, WHY? THAT CROSS RIGHT THERE. THAT HUGE RED CROSS IS A DEAD GIVEAWAY AND, YES, THIS IS THE EMAIL THAT'S IN THE PACKET.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU , ALL.

>> ANYONE ELSE HERE SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? ALL RIGHT. MR. TAYLOR WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND ANYTHING?

>> YEAH. I'VE LISTENED EVERYBODY AND I AGREE THAT A CERTAIN POINT ON SOME OF THE ITEMS WHAT I WAS WONDERING WHAT IT BE POSSIBLE TO DEFER THIS FOR US TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OPTIONS AS TO WHAT WE COULD DO

AS OPPOSED TO DENYING IT? >> YES. THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU CAN ASK AND WE CAN ALL DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK THAT IS A BAD IDEA AT ALL.

>> OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING NEEDS A SIGN. I'M HEARING EVERYBODY AND I UNDERSTAND SO THAT WOULD HELP ME GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IS AGREEABLE TO. SO, THEREFORE, IF EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENTS WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS OR DEFER IT AND BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH SOME DRAWINGS SO WE COULD CONTINUE.

>> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT PROCESS. NUMBER ONE, 408 FEET IS ONE END OF THE JAGUAR STADIUM TO

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THE OTHER THE LONG WAY. THAT IS A PRETTY LONG WAY. THAT IS A PRETTY LONG DISTANCE, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE ROAD HAS A SPEED LIMIT OF 45 WHICH MEANS MOST TRAFFIC IS DRIVING 50 OR HIGHER. NUMBER TWO. NUMBER THREE, IF THE TRAFFIC IS NORTHBOUND AT 50 MILES PER HOUR THERE IS A BIG BUILDING THAT IS IN THE WAY, YOU CAN'T TAKE A PICTURE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THIS SIGN AND SAY, WELL, THAT IS WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO SEE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE STOPPED THERE. YOU ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING 50 MILES PER HOUR. WHATEVER YOU BRING TO US, SHOW MORE OF THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT THESE BUILDINGS FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE WAY, B YOU'VE GOT BUSHES, HEFTY BUSHES FROM THE PICTURE THAT I WANT TO BE IN THE WAY AND C YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT THING FROM AN ANGLE AND YOU CAN'T JUST STARE AT IT ALL THE WAY DOWN WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING 50 MILES PER HOUR. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. SO, I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVING THIS THING A FAIR SHAKE WHEN YOU COME FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION I THINK IT ADDS ISSUES TOO BECAUSE YOU JUST COME THROUGH AN INTERSECTION SEE BEEN DEALING WITH AN INTERSECTION AND YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON GETTING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND NOT LOOKING TO SEE WHERE THE CHURCHES. ANYWAY, I'M FINE WITH THE CONTINUANCE BUT I THINK WE'VE SHORT -- THIS IN THE COMMENTARY.

>> OKAY. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE A CONTINUANCE, WHAT IS THE DATE AND WISH YOU COULD COME BACK.

COULD YOU COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER HEARING OR WOULD YOU LIKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER?

>> NO. I COULD COME BACK AS SOON AS YOU ARE AVAILABLE. TWO WEEKS IS THE QUICKEST. I COULD COME BACK IN A WEEK.

>> MR. SMITH. IS THAT AVAILABLE? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE TWO WEEKS WOULD BE MAY 15TH AND ALSO THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JUNE 5TH. I WILL TELL YOU THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY JUNE 5TH GIVES US MORE TIME TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO DO EVERYTHING AND TO ALLOW FOR STAFF TO PROCESS EVERYTHING AND GET ON THE NEXT AGENDA. EITHER ONE WILL TRY TO MAKE WORK TO THE DISCRETION OF

THE BOARD. >> OKAY. I'M ASSUMING MOST OF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT WAS

PRESENTED TODAY. >> OKAY. MR. MATOVINA?

>> MOVED TO CONTINUE THE VARIANCE 2024 20 TO THE MEETING OF JUNE -- WHAT WAS THAT? JUNE THE FIFTH.

>> OKAY. >> SECOND.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? SING NONE, LET'S VOTE. WE'LL SEE YOU BACK

[3. NZVAR 2025-06 Mercedes Benz Sign. Request for a Non-Zoning Variance, pursuant to Section 7.02.04.B.6 of the Land Development Code, to allow for an Advertising Display Area (ADA) of 368 square feet in lieu of the required maximum of 250 square feet for an Interstate Pole Sign that is located between 500 feet and one-half (1/2) mile from the interstate system interchange, as prescribed within the World Commerce Center PUD.]

HERE ON JUNE 5TH. >> ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU ALL. >> ANY -- FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE?

>> DROVE BY. GOING TO A SITE VISIT BUT I DID DRIVE BY A

COUPLE OF TIMES. >> MR. LABANOWSKI?

>> DID A SITE VISIT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THE APPLICANT OR

AGENT PLEASE COME FORWARD? >> MY NAME IS PETE HATCHER REPRESENTING MERCEDES FOR THIS. 405 COMMERCE -- 405 WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY. THE PROPERTY AT 405 WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY IS ZONED PUD. THE PROPOSED MERCEDES-BENZ DEALERSIP HAS PROPOSED A 65 FOOT MONUMENT SIGN TO BE POSITIONED ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY PERPENDICULAR TO INTERSTATE 95.

THE PROPERTY SITS ON THE WEST SIDE OF INTERSTATE 95 ALONG WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY. THE PROPOSED SIGN IS INTERNALLY ELIMINATED, DOUBLE FACE, 368 SQUARE FOOT, POSITIONS ON UP STYLE ON SIGN MATCHED TO THE MATERIALS OF THE BUILDING. IT ALIGNS WITH THE PUD AND THE CODE. SEEING 118 SQUARE FOOT SIGN VARIANCE TO ALLOW A SIGN THAT EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOT PER INTERSTATE SIGN. THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS TO ALLOW THE MERCEDES LOGO TO BE RECOGNIZED FROM INTERSTATE 95 FOR BUSINESSES LOCATED BETWEEN 500 FEET AND A HALF MILE OF THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM INTERCHANGE PER SECTION 7.0205 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THE ORIGINAL SIGNED PERMIT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVIEWED VOTING SAID THE SIGN WAS ALLOWED PER THE SIGNED CHART WAS SECTION G .6 OF THE ORDINANCE THAT STATES THAT A MAXIMUM OF FIVE INTERSTATE SIGNS ARE ALLOWED WITH THE PUD OF A MAXIMUM A.D.A. OF 300 SQUARE

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FOOT. THIS IS THE CODE SECTIONS JUST FOR REFERENCE. AND THESE ARE THE STATEMENTS OF FACTS STATING THAT THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES IN CARRYING OUT THE STRICT LETTER OF THE REGULATION.

YOU DO ALL HAVE A COPY OF THIS, I HOPE, CORRECT? AND NUMBER TWO, THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS NOT BASED EXCLUSIVELY UPON A DESIRE TO REDUCE THE COST OF DEVELOPING THE SITE THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE CONGESTION ON SURROUNDING PUBLIC STREETS THE DANGER OF FIRE RATHER A HAZARD TO THE PUBLIC THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISHED PROPERTY VALUES AND NOR ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF AREA SURROUNDING THE SITE. THE EFFECT OF THE PROPOSED VARIANCE IS UNHARMED WITH THE INTENT OF THE RELEVANT SUBJECT AREAS OF THE CODE. HERE'S THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION. HERE'S THE MEASUREMENTS TO THE SIGN SHOWING A 65 FOOT HEIGHT. THE CENTER WITH THE LOGO. AND THIS IS A PROPOSED VIEW OF THE SIGN.

FROM THE WHITE LANE -- RIGHT LANE YOU WILL SEE THERE IF THE SIGN IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU YOU'LL SEE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT OF ITS 400 SQUARE-FOOT YOU WILL BE LIKE WHOA THIS IS HUGE BUT WHEN YOU ARE THIS FAR AWAY FROM THE SIGN IS 100 SQUARE-FOOT FROM THAT DISTANCE. SONIC IS A MASSIVE SIGN IN THAT REGARD FROM VISIBILITY AND THIS IS A PICTURE MOVING TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE SIDE THAT SHOWING THE MATURE TREES. AND THIS IS THE VIEW THAT SON WORLD COMMERCE DRIVE AND YOU ALSO SEE THAT THE SIGN IS NOT TOO BIG FROM THIS DISTANCE HERE AND FROM SOUTHBOUND , COMING SOUTHBOUND THE SIGNS WON'T EVEN BE VISIBLE WITH TREES BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD CLOSER TO THE TREES AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE -- YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO SEE THE SIGN. DOES THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK? >> COULD YOU GO BACK TO SLIDES.