[Call meeting to order ] [00:00:10] >>> WE THE MEETING OF THE ST. JOHN COUNTY PONTE VEDRA MEETING. WE WILL START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. CONTINUE WITH THE READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED IN THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON SHALL NEED A RECORD AND MAY ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDING THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR UMENTS PRESENTED AT AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING EACH ITEM, THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION -- IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER, EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT [1. PVZVAR 2024-04 Szklinski Sunroom. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.L.1 and III.B of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for a setback of twenty-one (21) feet in lieu of the twenty-five (25) foot requirement to accommodate the placement of a sunroom in R-1-C zoning, located specifically at 112 Glenmawr Court (Part 1 of 2) ] AND OPEN IT FOR AGENCY ITEM NUMBER ONE, PVZVAR2024. [2. PVZVAR 2024-05 Hill Family Pergola. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.L.1 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow an enclosed pergola to be located outside of the Building Restriction Line (BRL) in R-1-B zoning, located specifically at 12 Lake Terrace. ] >> MOVING ON TO PVZVAR2024- 05, THE HILL FAMILY PERGOLA. COME UP TO THE PODIUM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. WE HAD A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH OUR POWE SLIDES. I WILL GO TO THE STARTING OF IT. THEN ALLISON HAS A VIDEO THAT SHOWS A DRONE FLYING IN THE BACK OF THE RESIDENCE AS [00:12:02] THEY DON'T USE A MARINE GRADE PRODUCT. [00:12:05] THEY USE CEDAR AND WHAT HAVE YOU. IT'S FALLING DOWN. IT'S COMING DOWN REGARDLESS. HE IS LIKE, HE HAS A LITTLE HEALTH CONDITION. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PLACE AWAY FROM THE GRANDKIDS WHERE I CAN RELAX AND TAKE IT EASY. WE WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE PERGOLA? >> ITSELF? THAT'S IN A VIDEO. ALLISON, CAN YOU -- >> IN THE PACKET, THERE'S ONE, I THINK. >> I'M SORRY, SIR. >> HE HAS THAT PICTURE. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT. THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO. THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND VIDEO. HE IS LOOKING AT THE PERGOLA. THAT'S A VIDEO. THAT CAME OUT AS A PICTURE. I THINK BETWEEN OUR COMPUTER AND TREVOR, WE HAD A MISHAP. >> ANY POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THAT CLOSER TO THE HOUSE? THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX -- >> SHIFTING IT TOWARD THE HOUSE, YOU COULD. I THINK YOU COULD, YEAH. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ROOM, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ONLY HAVE -- I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THE MATH ON THAT, TO BE QUITE FRANK. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. TOOK A COUPLE OF MINE. IT'S HARD TO READ THIS SURVEY OF HOW BIG THIS PERGOLA IS TODAY. % DO YOU HAVE ANY DIMENSIONS WHAT THE SIZE IS TODAY? >> YEAH. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 1/2 FEET ACROSS THE FRONT. IT'S ALMOST 10 1/2 DEEP. THE HEIGHT -- I'M GOING TO GUESS. THE HEIGHT IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND TEN FEET TALL AT THE FRONT. IT DOES HAVE A MINOR SLOPE TO THE REAR. >> TO CONFIRM, YOU HAVE HAD -- OTHER THAN THE GENTLEMAN OR RESIDENTS ACROSS THE LAKE WHO WANTED TO SEE MORE INFORMATION, YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK? >> NO, SIR. EVERYONE HAS BEEN POSITIVE. IF YOU CAN HOLD THAT PICTURE, LOOK AROUND THE CORNER, PEOPLE ARE -- THAT ONE IS BUILT ON A DOCK. THEY ARE BUILDING THEM ALL AROUND. IT'S AN INTERESTING THING. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY COMPLAIN. THE ONE GUY WAS SUPPORTIVE. BUT HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- TO JOHN'S POINT, AS LONG AS IT WASN'T A BIG EYESORE. >> THE LAST THING FROM A PERSONAL NOTE, I DID A SURVEY OF MY RESIDENCE. I LIVE ON THE SAME LAKE. MY PROPERTY BOUNDARY DOES GO INTO THE WATER VERSUS JUST THE BULKHEAD. I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. [00:15:01] >> THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW OLD THAT EXISTING PERGOLA IS? HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE? >> I CAN'T SAY. IT LOOKS TO BE IN THE FIVE TO SEVEN- YEAR RANGE. GIVEN THE MATERIAL THEY ARE USING, WHAT WE SEE IN OUR SIDE OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS WHEN YOU ARE NOT USING A HIGHLY PRESSURE- TREATED PRODUCT, YOU SEE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE -- THREE TO FIVE, SEVEN YEARS OF DEGRADING. THEY WON'T PAINT THE TOP LEADING EDGE, WHICH WILL ABSORB MOISTURE. THAT'S WHERE IT'S STARTING TO ROT AND FALL APART. IT'S STARTING TO ROT AND FALL APART FROM THE TOP HOLDING THE PERGOLA ITSELF UP. I WOULD SAY FROM THREE TO FIVE, JUST GUESSING. >> ANY IDEA WHY THEY DIDN'T REQUEST A ROOF BEFORE? >> NO. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK JUST LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE THAT HE HAS DONE -- HE HAS DONE SERIOUS LANDSCAPING. I THINK THE MINDSET WAS HAVING FOLIAGE ACROSS IT. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M VERY CLEAR. THE WAY I READ THIS APPLICATION IS THAT IT'S ASKING FOR AN ENCLOSED PERGOLA. DESCRIBE TO ME -- I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO PUT A ROOF. I'M IMAGINING THE CURRENT STRUCTURE WITH A ROOF. THE WAY I READ ENCLOSED PERGOLA, THAT'S THREE WALLS, MAYBE FOUR. >> PROBABLY A POOR CHOICE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SUN ROOM. SAME FOOTPRINT. POOR A SLAB, BUILD WALLS AND SOME WINDOWS OVERLOOKING THE POOR AND THE DOOR TO COME IN. AN ENCLOSED AREA -- >> YOU ARE ENCLOSING THE WALLS? >> YES, SIR. >> YOU ARE ENCLOSING FALL WALLS? >> THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO DO THAT WITH EITHER A DOOR SYSTEM OR SOMETHING ALONG THE OVERLOOKING THE POOL. >> SOME PERMANENT WALLS ON THAT? >> THREE OF THEM. IT WOULD BE WEST WALL, I WOULD SAY SOUTH AND EAST WALL WOULD BE PREDOMINANTLY PERMANENT WALLS. SOMETHING OVERLOOKING THE POOL. WITHOUT HAVING ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SPEAK TO. THAT'S THE SET. >> FAIR ENOUGH. JACOB, WHAT IS THE STANDARD DOCTOR IF I'M MEASURING, WHAT'S MY STANDARD REAR SETBACK FOR BUILDINGS? >> THE STANDARD SETBACK FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT IS 40 FEET. AGAIN, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS DEMONSTRATING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF 30 FEET OR 31 FEET. WE SHOWED ON OUR SITE PLAN TO THE BULKHEAD. I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE, NOBODY WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE AN EXACT MEASUREMENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S A FEW EXTRA FEET FLOATING OUT THERE IN THAT REGARD. >> ONE MORE FOR YOU, JACOB. IF THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO PUT THREE WALLS OF SOFT SCREENING AND -- TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING IN THE CODE AGAINST THAT, IF THEY CHOSE TO PUT, LET'S CALL IT, A FABRIC OVER THE TOP AND ALONG THREE SIDES? >> WE DO FIND OURSELF IN A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING SETBACK. THEY HAD NEVER COME IN FOR A VARIANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, ANY UPGRADE TO THOSE SORT OF NON- CONFORMING USES WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. AGAIN, AS IT SITS RIGHT HERE, I WOULD SAY THAT IT NEEDS A ZONING VARIANCE TO CONTINUE TO BE IN EXISTENCE AND/OR UPGRADED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JACOB. >> DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT? DO YOU HAVE -- >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. >> BEFORE WE GO TO BOARD COMMENT, WE SHOULD DISCUSS WHETHER YOU MET WITH THE APPLICANT. >> I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. ARE YOU INTENDING TO AIR CONDITION THE SPACE? >> I WOULD ASSUME AT SOME POINT MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M SPEAKING OUT OF SCHOOL HERE. I THINK THE MENTALITY IS MAYBE THEY PUT UP -- MAYBE THE MINI-SPLITS. I DON'T HAVE THE RENDERINGS TO SPEAK TO THAT. I WOULD ALMOST SAY YES, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID NOT TALK WITH ANYBODY AND DID NOT VISIT THE SITE. >> MR. CHAIR, I DID NOT SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT. I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE, I HAVE CANOED PAST IT MANY TIMES. >> I WAS AT THE SITE. I DID LOOK AROUND. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. JACOB, THIS MAY BE FOR YOU. AS YOU STATED, IF IT'S A NON- CONFORMING STRUCTURE TODAY [00:20:01] AND WE GRANT A VARIANCE, IS THERE A POTENTIAL THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD IF SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND SAYS THEY WANT TO APPEAL THE FACT THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS IT STANDS TODAY IS NON-CONFORMING? >> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE MIGHT FILE A ZONING VIOLATION THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. IT'S GENERAL STAFF'S PREROGATIVE TO GO CHASING THOSE DOWN, DEPENDING ON THE DECISION MADE, YES, POTENTIALLY THERE MIGHT BE SOME POTENTIAL FOR -- THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR APPEAL ON AN APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF A ZONING VARIANCE FOR PROCEDURAL MATTERS. EVEN IF THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN, SEEMINGLY, SOMEBODY COULD GO AFTER THIS FOR NON-CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DID NOT VISIT THE SITE, HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH ANYONE. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THIS TO BOARD DISCUSSION. UNLESS THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS. >> YOU NEED PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR. >> I'M TEXTED TEMPTED TO APPROVE THIS. I FIND THE SETBACK PECULIAR. IT PENALIZES THIS SITE. PROBABLY, THERE'S ADDITIONAL LAND THAT COULD BE MEASURED AGAINST. >> I WOULD ECHO MR. PATTON'S COMMENTS. I'M LOOKING AT A CURRENT SURVEY OF A LOCATION ON THE WATER. THERE IS ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE INSIDE THE BODY OF WATER. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF FEET ON THIS PARTICULAR SURVEY. I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN THIS LOT LOCATION. I, TOO, WOULD BE INCLINED TO GRANT THIS REQUEST. I HEARD FROM YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THIS APPLICATION? >> I WILL SAY, CONCEPTUALLY -- THE PERGOLA AS IT STANDS, THE BUILDING SETBACK LINE DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. THE BUILDING SETBACK LINE DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME AS IT IS. I WILL CERTAINLY ARGUE THAT THAT'S A HARDSHIP. I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE ENCLOSEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE. IT SEEMS TO MAKE IT MORE OF A POOLHOUSE IN MY MIND. SO SOME ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS MAY HELP THAT. CONCEPTUALLY, I WOULD AGREEAGREE CERTAINLY THIS IS THE BUILDING SETBACK LINE WOULD MAKE THIS A HARDSHIP IN THIS CASE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY UP UNTIL RECENTLY CERTAINLY DROPPED PROPERTY LINES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAKES. THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT WAS HAPPENING WHEN THIS WAS DONE. I'M WITH YOU GENTLEMEN THAT CERTAINLY ARGUABLY THE BUILDING RESTRICTION AS IT CURRENTLY SITS WOULD BE A HARDSHIP. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MOTION? >> GREENE WINS. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, HILL FAMILY PERGOLA BASED ON THE FOUR FINDINGS OF FACTS AND SUBJECT TO THE FIVE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH THE ADDITION THAT THE NEW STRUCTURE OR THE REPLACEMENT OCCUPY APPROXIMATELY THE SAME VOLUME THAT THE EXISTING SUN SHADE STRUCTURE HAS. >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIES. THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED. >> THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. CHAIR, IT DOES APPEAR WE'RE [3. LDCA (PV) 2025-03 Passenger Vans. On February 4, 2025 the Board of County Commissioners directed staff to amend the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations (PVZDR) to clarify that passenger-type vans are excluded from the definition of Recreational Vehicle as applies to parking prohibitions. This amendment applies specifically to PVZDR Section VIII.S.10 (Prohibited Uses). ] STILL MISSING THE APPLICANT FOR NUMBER ONE. WE MAY MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE AT THE BOARD'S -- >> THANK YOU. [00:25:02] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD MEMBERS. I'M AMY RING. I'M HERE TO APRESENT AGENDA ITEM THREE. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PONTE VEDRA REGARDING PASSENGER VANS. FOR BACKGROUND, AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING FEBRUARY 4TH OF THIS YEAR, CONSENSUS WAS GIVEN TO STAFF TO CLARIFY THAT IN THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS, SECTION 8.S. 10 THAT THE TYPES OF VEHICLES REFERENCED BY THE TERM RECREATIONAL VEHICLES ACTUALLY EXCLUDES PASSENGER-TYPE VANS. THIS IS THE CHANGE THAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS AMENT MENDMENT IN REGARD TO THE STATEMENT DURING THE TIME NECESSARY FOR PICKUP AND DELIVERY, NOT TO EXCEED 24 HOURS, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, UTILITY TRAILERS OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES SHALL NOT BE PARKED OR ALLOWED TO OCCUPY LAND UNLESS IN A GARAGE, CARPORT OR OTHER AREA FULLY SCREENED FROM ADJACENT VIEWS. THIS PROPOSES ADDING ONE STATEMENT IN RED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE TRANSIT VANS OR SIMILAR VEHICLES THAT ARE PRIMARILY USED FOR PERSONAL OR PASSENGER TRANSPORTATION. OTHER STAFF WAS CONSULTED ON THIS, INCLUDING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, OTHER GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF. AS OF THE WRITING AND SUBMISSION OF THE STAFF REPORT, NO PUBLIC XHENTS HAD BEEN RECEIVED. ONE OBJECTION WAS RECEIVED THROUGH EMAIL TODAY. MOTIONS TO MOVE ON THIS ITEM ARE ON THE SCREEN. IF YOU HAVE ANY YESES, WE ARE AVAILABLE. >> QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU HAVE A VAN THAT CABLE TV COMPANIES ARE USING OR PLUMBING COMPANIES THAT ARE LOGOED UP AND CLEARLY ARE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. YOU WOULD VIEW THAT AS AN EXCEPTION TO THE EXISTING REGULATION THAT'S THERE? >> TO THE EXISTING OR PROPOSED DO YOU MEAN? >> YES. >> THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. >> THOSE ARE STILL COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. THIS DOESN'T TOUCH ON COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. THOSE WOULD STILL BE A PROHIBITION AGAINST COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. >> IF YOU HAVE A PASSENGER FAN THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DRIVE AND THEY HAVE IT ALL LOGOED UP WITH THE NAME OF THEIR PASSENGER VAN COMPANY, THAT WOULD THEN FALL COMMERCIAL OR IS THAT FALL INTO LINE WITH REGULATION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. I'M AWARE OFOF SPRINTER VEHICLES WITHIN OUR DISTRICT THAT ARE PARKED IN CERTAIN PLACES WITHIN OUR DISTRICT DRIVEN BY INDIVIDUALS. THESE INDIVIDUALS DO HAVE AN LLC. AND THEY BUY COMMERCIAL AUTO INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR LLC. HOWEVER, THEY ARE STRICTLY FOR PASSENGER USAGE THAT I KIND OF READ IN THE INTENT OF THE MOTION. CAN YOU JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ONON THAT? THAT'S A VERY GRAY AREA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. >> WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL INSURANCE. IT BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT MATTER. IN THAT CASE, IF IT'S A PLAIN VAN IN THE DRIVEWAY AND IT FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY, YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT A PASSENGER VAN. >> MAYBE THIS WILL COME UP IN FURTHER TOPICS. I WANT TO SAY I DID RECEIVE ONE EMAIL ON THIS TOPIC. [00:30:03] I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THE EMAIL WAS FROM THE AESTHETICS OF THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES IN OUR COMMUNITY. MR. CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD INDULGE ME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE AESTHETICS OF PROPERTIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. I HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH IN THE TUNE OF HYPOTHETICALLY THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN A DRIVEWAY, THE STORAGE OF PROPERTY, KNICKKNACKS, OLD FURNITURE, ET CETERA THAT I HAVE SEEN IN OUR COMMUNITY. ANY TYPE OF REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD ON WHAT THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS ARE ON THE OVERALL AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS OF PROPERTY OWNERS IN OUR DISTRICT WOULD BE GREAT. >> HAS THIS BEEN A REALLY BIG PROBLEM? THE NUMBER OF PASSENGER VANS THAT ARE BEING TICKETED? >> IN MY CONSULTATION WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE RECORDS FROM THE LAST SIX TO NINE MONTHS OR SO. BUT SAY FROM 2020 TO 2024, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 12 AND 20 COMPLAINTS REGARDING SPRINTER VANS THAT WERE LODGED. >> I FIND IT -- THE DEFINITION OF A PASSENGER VAN, I FOUND IT VAGUE. IS A SPRINTER VAN THAT'S A CAMPER VAN WITH AN EXTRA TALL TOP, IS THAT A PASSENGER VAN? WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED IN THIS CASE? WOULD A SMALL WINNEBAGO THAT LOOKS LIKE A SPRINTER VAN BE A PASSENGER VAN OR A WINNEBAGO? IS A DODGE VAN -- I GUESS THAT'S UNDER -- DODGE VANS ARE -- WE TESTIFIED SPRINTER VANS. BUT THERE ARE OTHER VAN COMPANIES OUT THERE. AN AIRPORT VAN THAT HAS NO LOGO, THAT CARRIES NOTHING BUT PASSENGERS, NO SIGNAGE, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? I FIND THIS WHOLE THING VERY VAGUE. >> UNDERSTOOD. I WILL SAY THAT SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT TOOK PLACE IN ORDER TO BRING THIS FORWARD FOCUSED SOME IN TERMS OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT RESEARCH FOCUSED ON WHAT IT TAKES -- IF SOMEONE WERE TO CONVERT A VAN OR A VAN CONVERSION, HOW WOULD THAT BE TAGGED WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR? WHAT WE DISCOVERED IS THAT IF A VAN CONVERSION TAKES PLACE AND CHANGES ARE MADE EITHER ELECTRICAL WIRING IS ADDED, LICK PHIED PETROLEUM GAS PIPING IS ADDED OR A PLUMBING SYSTEM WITH TOILET FACILITY IS INSTALLED, THEN IT CONFORMS TO A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE TYPE WITH -- SO THAT VEHICLE WOULD HAVE TO BE REGISTERED AS A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE. IF NONE WERE INCLUDED, IT WOULDN'T BE TAGGED AS A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE. IF THAT'S HELPFUL. >> A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE PARKED? >> CORRECT. IN TERMS OF THIS STATEMENT, THIS AMENDMENT. >> OKAY. >> LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IF THOSE CHANGES ARE MADE, THEN THE ONUS WOULD FALL ON THE CURRENT OWNER OF THAT PARTICULAR VEHICLE TO INFORM THE COUNTY, STATE OF THOSE CHANGES, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. THEY WOULD HAVE TO REGISTER THEIR TAGS ACCORDING TO THE CRITERIA. THAT WOULD BE EVIDENT ON THE VEHICLE. >> IF YOU GO BACK IN YOUR SLIDE -- CAN YOU GO BACK? >> SURE. >> IF THOSE FOLKS AND HOMEOWNERS WERE TO REGISTER WITH THE TAG AGENCY UNDER THOSE PROVISIONS SET FORTH IN YOUR RESEARCH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH GARAGING OR CARPORT OR OTHER SCREENING OF THAT SAID RV VEHICLE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT, THEN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE IT OUT IN THE GRASS, PARKED ON ANY PART OF THEIR LAND AS -- FOR EXAMPLE, IF THIS IS A SPRINTER VAN -- IF I GO OUT A BUY A SPRINTER VAN THAT I WANT TO USE AT TAILGATES AND IT HASN'T BEEN MODIFIED TO ANY OF THE THINGS YOU SAID AND I WANTED TO [00:35:03] KEEP IT ON MY PROPERTY FOR FOOTBALL SEASON OR ANY OTHER SPORTING SEASON, I COULD KEEP IT WHEREVER I WANTED IN PLAIN SIGHT IN OUR DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> TO MR. GREENE'S QUESTION, I WOULD SAY THAT THE INTENT OF IT WOULD BE TO TREAT IT LIKE A NORMAL PASSENGER VEHICLE. THE PLACES YOU WOULD PARK A NORMAL PASSENGER VEHICLE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. >> I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM MEGAN THAT'S ON OUR DESK. SHE'S HERE PERSONALLY, I WILL LOT -- WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST COME TO THE TABLE. >> MRS. MCKINLEY, IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESTART THIS, I WILL RESTART YOUR THREE MINUTES FOR YOU NOW. >> MEGAN MCKINLEY. I BECAME AWARE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE PONTE VEDRA REGULATIONS FROM THE PUBLICATION IN THE RECORDER LAST MONTH. HISTORICALLY, WHEN CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS, A CITIZEN OF THE ZONING DISTRICT FIRST REQUESTS AN AMENDMENT. THEY DEPOSIT A FEE WITH THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT. PER REGULATIONS, ANY PROPOSAL FOR CHANGE IS TO BE SUBMITTED. S THAT'S THE NORMAL PROCESS. HISTORICALLY, WHEN THEY RECEIVE THE REQUEST, THEY SETS UP A WORKSHOP IN PONTE VEDRA TO PRESENT THE PROPOSAL TO THE CITIZENS OF THE DISTRICT. LIKE THE ISSUES WITH THE FENCES. I HOPE THIS BOARD WILL USE THIS PROCESS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED CHANGE. PERSONALLY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THE CODE AS I DO NOT SEE THE NECESSITY OF HAVING RECREATIONAL VEHICLES PARKED IN DRIVEWAYS. THE DISTRICT HAS NOT ALLOWED BOATS, TRAILERS, RVS, CAMPERS, ET CETERA, TO BE STORED IN DRIVEWAYS. I EMAILED PHOTOS OF TWO SPRINTER VANS THAT I HAVE RECENTLY SEEN IN THE LOCAL AREA TO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD YESTERDAY AND HAVE COPIES WITH ME TODAY. THIS IS ONE PICTURE OF A VAN RECENTLY APPEARED ON MY STREET. YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE VAN RELATIVE TO THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE. THEY ARE VERY LARGE STRUCTURES. COMPARED TO THE REGULAR SIZED CAR NEXT TO IT. HERE IS A PICTURE OF ANOTHER, A SPRINTER VAN ON ANOTHER STREET. YOU CAN SEE IT AGAIN COMPARED TO THE ROOF STRUCTURE, THAT THE SPRINTER VAN IS ACTUALLY AS HIGH AS THAT ROOF EVE. THEY ARE VERY LARGE STRUCTURES -- OR VEHICLES. I HOPE THAT PRIOR TO MAKING A DECISION ON THIS MATTER THAT YOU WILL HAVE A WORKSHOP IN PONTE VEDRA TO DISCUSS THIS PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS A BIG PROBLEM NOW. SO I DON'T SEE A NEED TO HAVE A CHANGE TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS TO ALLOW FOR VANS OF THIS TYPE. THE VAN HAS BEEN PARKED IN THE SAME LOCATION. IT'S NOT BEING USED ON A DAILY BASIS. I'VE KEPT TRACK OF THAT. I HAVEN'T GONE OVER TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE OTHER ONE. ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WAS HERE IN DECEMBER. I MAY GO OVER THREE MINUTES, IF I HAVE YOUR PERMISSION. I WILL STOP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I KNEW THIS WAS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THIS VAGUE. I WANT TO STICK TO MY SCRIPT SO I DON'T FORGET ANYTHING. I'M HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL. MOST PEOPLE KNOW I'M ON THE MSD BOARD. WE HAVEN'T MET SINCE THIS [00:40:01] WAS POSTED TO BE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. WE HAVE IT ON OUR AGENDA NEXT MONDAY TO DISCUSS. WE ARE OPEN -- WE WILL PROBABLY BE OPEN TO HAVING A WORKSHOP IN PONTE VEDRA FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TO NECESSITATE KNOWLEDGE TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES. THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TOO VAGUE. PASSENGER VANS COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES. THE ACTUAL SHUTTLE BUS RIGHT NOW THAT THE CLUB IS USING ON A DAILY BASIS BETWEEN ALL THEIR PARKING LOTS AND THE CLUB IS AA PASSENGER VAN. IT'S HUGE. IT LOOKS LIKE A -- IT'S ACTING AS A BUS, BUT IT'S A PASSENGER VAN. THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, WE HAVE TO GET DOWN TO CLASSES -- CLASS SIZE. I WAS LOOKING ON THE INTERNET YESTERDAY ABOUT SIZES OF THE DIFFERENT PASSENGER VANS. I WILL GET TO THAT. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PASSENGER VANS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO CHANGE OUR REGULATION. THIS IS GOING TO OPEN A CAN OF WORMS. THEY ARE AESTHETICALLY, WHEN LOT PUT IT ON A 200 OR 100 FOOT- MAYBE IT'S NOT AS BAD. WHEN THEY ARE IN THE 55 TO 60- FOOT LOT SIZES, THEY STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. YOU ARE ON TOP OF YOUR NEIGHBOR WITH A 7 1/2 FOOT SIDE SETBACK. TO LOOK AT A STRUCTURE THAT'S AS LARGE AS SOME OF THE PASSENGER VANS, I THINK IT WOULD BE DISCOURAGING TO THE -- OR ACTUALLY THE ACROSS THE STREET NEIGHBOR. I WANTED TO -- ALL PASSENGER VANS ARE CLASSIFIED AT LIGHT COMMERCIAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO REALLY ENFORCE THIS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A CAN OF WORMS. I HAVE A PICTURE OF A SPRINTER VAN RIGHT HERE. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR TWO YEARS. WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S A PASSENGER VAN OR AN RV? HOW DO YOU KNOW? IT'S BEEN THERE. IT NEVER MOVES. BECAUSE THERE'S AIR CONDITION ON THE TOP OF THE ROOF, THAT GIVES IT AWAY. IT'S AS BIG AS A PASSENGER VAN. YOU GOING TO TELL SOMEONE THAT OWNS AN RV THEY CAN'T HAVE WHAT THE GUY NEXT DOOR HAS BECAUSE IT'S A PASSENGER VAN? THIS IS A CARGA GO VAN. THIS IS A SPRINTER VAN. ARE WE GOING TO DO ASK THEM TO OPEN SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S INSIDE? THAT'S AN EYESORE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE LOTS ARE THE SMALLEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. NONE OF THESE HAVE BEEN REPORTED. THEY JUST SIT THERE. THE NEIGHBORS PUT UP WITH IT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO SAY REAL QUICKLY THAT THE SPRINTER EXECUTIVE VAN WHICH COULD BE ALLOWED IN THE WORDING OF THIS IS 23 FEET LONG, 11 FEET HIGH. WE DON'T HAVE FENCES THAT GO 11 FEET HIGH IN OUR COMMUNITY. SPRINTER VANS, REGULAR SPRINTER VANS, RANGE FROM 19 FEET TO 24 FEET LONG, EIGHT TO 11 FEET HIGH. YOU HAVE GOT YOUR BIGGEST SUVS OUT THERE ARE NOWHERE NEAR THESE VANS. MY POSITION IS THAT WE BRING IT TO THE COMMUNITY. NO DECISION MADE TODAY. WE HAVE GOT TO TWEAK THIS AND MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THESE ARE OUR REGULATIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALONG THE LINES OF KITTY'S STATEMENT, I HAVE GOT A THING I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW. CAN WE PUT IT ON THE BOARD? I MET WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH BACK IN JANUARY AFTER KITTY RAISED IT. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WAS ON LIFT AND MOBILITY VANS. VANS THAT ARE MADE SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS. I PULLED SIX IMAGES OFF OF THE INTERNET. THREE AGES ARE MOBILITY VANS. THREE ARE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. YOU MIGHT BE BETTER THAN ME AND CAN TELL. BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE. THE AIR CONDITIONING ON TOP OCCURS ON BOTH. THE SUN SHADE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SIDE OF SOME OF THEM IS ON BOTH. I AM AGREEING WITH THE VAGUENESS OF THE REGULATION. I UNDERSTAND IF I THROW A SPOILER ON THE BACK OF MY TRUCK, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A RACE CAR. YOU CAN'T REGULATE -- WE DON'T HAVE REGULATIONS ON THE HEIGHT OF TRUCKS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, IF I LIFTED MY TRUCK FOUR FEET IN THE AIR, IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THESE THINGS. IT WOULD ALSO LOOK TERRIBLE, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. [00:45:02] CERTAINLY, IF WE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE NOW, HOW DOES CODE ENFORCEMENT NOT GET BOGGED DOWN WITH THIS? I THINK IT'S A STICKY ENOUGH ISSUE THAT A WORKSHOP WOULD BE A LOT MORE HELPFUL TO SEE IF WE COULDN'T WORK OUT SOME OF THESE ISSUE ISSUES. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SELF- REPORTING AND THEN THERE'S A -- IF I CHANGE MY CAR TO RV, I THINK WE HAVEHAVE MAKE THE RULE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE WITH IT. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. >> I FOUND IT INTERESTING WHEN I READ THIS THAT THE TERM SPRINTER VAN WAS USED. I THINK IF YOU CHECKED WITH SPRINTER AS TO HOW MANY VANS ARE WHAT I WOULD CLASSIFY AS CLASSIC PASSENGER VANS, IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. MOST ARE WORK TRUCKS OR CAMPER S. FEW ARE TRUE PASSENGER VANS. THAT MAKES THE CONFUSION WORSE. >> MR. CHAIR, I ALSO AGREE THAT A WORKSHOP WOULD PROBABLY BE A NICE THING TO HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. I WILL SAY, THERE'S NOT BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS WORKS LOGISTICALLY. IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE A WORKSHOP IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MSD WORKSHOP? >> IN THE PAST, THE ZONING MEMBERS, GROWTH MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES CAME UP AND PRESENTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN MSD MEETING. THE LAST ONE WAS A BIG BROUHAHA BECAUSE THAT GENTLEMAN WANTED TO CHANGE A LOT OF OUR REGULATIONS. HE WAS CLEARLY MISTAKEN. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ITEMS BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE CHANGED, LIKE HEDGE HEIGHT, THAT'S SILENT IN OUR DISTRICT. THIS MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE ONLY ITEM IN THE WORKSHOP IF THEY HAVE TO DO THE WORK. BUT TYPICALLY, IT CAN GO EITHER WAY. GROWTH MANAGEMENT CAN ADVERTISE IT OR WE CAN HAVE IT -- I WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO THE BOARD AND SEE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO HAVE IT IN CONJUNCTION, SINCE WE HAVE THE ROOM AT THE LIBRARY. IT CAN BE AN AGENDA ITEM. OR IF WE ARE ANTICIPATING A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE COULD POSSIBLY MOVE THE MEETING TO OUR LADY STAR OF THE SEA. THEY HAVE A BIGGER SITE, MORE ROOM. WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM ON YOUR BOARD AND WE WANT MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, ONE STONE, TWO BIRDS CONCEPT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL. >> I AGREE. WE COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN POST EMAIL BLASTS. WE CAN PUT OUT A SURVEY IF NEEDED. WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE. >> IS THERE A WAY TO ISOLATE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PARTICIPATION IN AND BOARD MEETING TO THIS TOPIC? >> THEY WOULD RUN THE AGENDA ITEM. THEY CAN JUST -- YES. IF THEY WANT TO ZERO IN ON THIS ONE ITEM, THAT'S FINE. THEY WOULD PRESENT IT AS IT IS WRITTEN HERE. >> I JUST DON'T WANT ANY UNINTENDED -- >> JACOB HAS BEEN THERE BEFORE. >> I DON'T WANT ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF WITH OTHER ITEMS COMING -- IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT AT AN MSD MEETING, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE BURDENSOME ON STAFF. >> THE MSD MEETING HAS PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE VERY BEGINNING. ANYTHING ELSE GOES BY AGENDA. >> THANK YOU. >> TO MR. GREENE'S STATEMENT, FIRST OF ALL, GROWTH MANAGEMENT, WE ARE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY COMMUNITY MEETING THAT'S SO DIRECTED BY THE PZA TO GET THAT INPUT. AS KITTY SAID, WE HAVE DONE IT A FEW WAYS IN THE PAST. SOMETIMES WORKSHOPS IN THIS MEETING. WE HAVE HAD WORKSHOPS AT THE PONTE VEDRA LIBRARY HEAD BY [00:50:01] THE DIRECTION. IF WE NEED TO DO A JOINT MEETING OR TAG ALONG TO THE MSD, THAT'S FINE. ANYTHING TO THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, WE CAN MAKE HAPPEN. >> ARE THERE NOTICING GUIDELINES THAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM TAGGING ON TO THE MSD MEETING? >> I THINK AT THIS JUNCTURE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE CONVERSATION, IT'S AN INTENT TO PUT THIS ON THE MSD AGENDA ITEM. IN THAT INSTANCE, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM FOR YOU ALL IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO ATTEND, WE WOULD DO A PUBLIC NOTICE OF THAT TO KEEP YOU IN VIOLATION OF ANY SUNSHINE MATTERS. >> KITTY, DID YOU SAY WHEN YOUR MEETING WAS? IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, THE MEETING CANNOT -- IT'S ALREADY -- THE NOTICE HAS GONE OUT FOR THIS MONTH. IT WOULD BE THE SECOND MONDAY IN MAY BEFORE THE MEETING COULD BE HELD. STAFF, WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TIME TO PREP FOR NOTICING AND ANYTHING Y'ALL NEED TO DO? >> IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE. Ú>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. PATTON AND TO THE BOARD, OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S FEEDBACK YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TO SEE CHANGES OR CLARIFICATION YOU THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, WHETHER CLASS OR HOW WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD, YOU CAN LET US KNOW. WE CAN TRY TO MAKE THOSE EDITS AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. >> SO I'M HEARING THIS CORRECTLY, THE MSD BOARD WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO HOLD IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PROPOSED WORKSHOP, IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTIONMOTION TABLE THIS TOPIC AND TO PROPOSE A COMBINED WORKSHOP WITH THE MSD, IF THEY DO SO AGREE TO ENTERTAIN A COMBINED WORKSHOP TOGETHER ON THIS TOPIC TO BE HELD 5:30 ON MAY 12TH AT THE PONTE VEDRA LIBRARY. SO LONG AS THEY APPROVE THE COMBINATION OF SUCH MEETING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE I WOULD SECOND THAT. IF WE VOTED ON IT TODAY AND DENIED IT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? >> IT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS A DENIAL. >> THEY HAVE KIND OF APPROVED IT, RIGHT? >> THEY HAVE GIVEN DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE BASED ON INPUT THEY RECEIVED. THAT'S HOW IT CAME BEFORE YOU TODAY. THAT WAS THE DIRECTION DRIVEN TO STAFF BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION THROUGH CONSENSUS WAS TO MAKE THIS REVISION. >> I WILL SECOND MR. GREENE'S MOTION. >> BEFORE WE HOLD THE VOTE, IF I UNDERSTAND STAFF CORRECTLY, IS THERE ANY DIRECTION THAT WE AS A BOARD CAN GIVE OUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS WHILE THEY ARE GETTING READY FOR THIS MEETING AND I CAN SAY ENFORCEMENT IS PROBABLY MY PRIMARY CONCERN . I HATE MAKING RULES THAT ARE UNENFORCEABLE. WHETHER THAT'S HOA, FEDERAL LEVEL, DOESN'T MATTER, ALL OF THEM. FOR ME PERSONALLY, I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THIS. I COULD SEE BOTH SIDES OF THIS. ESPECIALLY FROM A HANDICAP VAN PERSPECTIVE AND MAKING SURE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LAW AS FAR AS ASSISTING VEHICLES. THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERNS GO. >> I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT. THIS DOESN'T EVEN MENTION HANDICAP VANS. I WOULD APPROVE HANDICAP VANS IN A HEARTBEAT. I WOULDN'T APPROVE IT AS [00:55:01] WRITTEN. IT'S TOO VAGUE. NOT ENFORCEABLE. >> YOU ARE IN DELIBERATIONS AT THIS TIME. >> MY APOLOGIES. >> IF WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF MOTION, I GUESS WE HAVE A VOTE WOULD BE THE CORRECT --. THIS IS THE MOTION ON A CONTINUANCE PENDING THE MEET ING MEETING -- JUST TO CARRY THIS THOUGHT A LITTLE FURTHER, IF THE MSD BOARD CHOOSES NOT TO DO A COMBINED MEETING OVER THE CHANGE IN THE REGULATION, THEN THIS WOULD COME BACK TO OUR BOARD AT OUR NEXT MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? >> SURE. YES. YOUR MEETINGS ARE NOTICED. IF THE PUBLIC CHOOSES TO PARTICIPATE, THEY CAN COME TO THE MEETING AND PARTICIPATE AS ALWAYS. >> WE WILL WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE MSD BOARD ON THIS PROPOSED COMBINATION WORKSHOP. PROCEED AFTER WE HEAR FROM THEM. PROCEED AFTER WE HEAR FROM THEM ACCORDINGLY. >> A QUESTION FOR MY EDIFICATION. IS THERE A STATEWIDE PERMISSION TO PARK A HANDICAP VAN WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO BE PARKED? >> THERE ARE ADA REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARD TO PARKING AND WHERE THEY CAN PARK. YES, THERE ARE. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IF YOU HAVE A HANDICAP VAN OR ADA TAGGED VAN. THERE'S A LOT OF LEVELS. >> I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. [1. PVZVAR 2024-04 Szklinski Sunroom. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.L.1 and III.B of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for a setback of twenty-one (21) feet in lieu of the twenty-five (25) foot requirement to accommodate the placement of a sunroom in R-1-C zoning, located specifically at 112 Glenmawr Court (Part 2 of 2) ] >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON A CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM ONE. WOULD THAT BE FAIR? >> YES, SIR, THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT. THE UPCOMING MEETING IS MAY 5TH I THINK IN RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A CONTINUANCE. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER AGENDA ITEM PVZVAR 2824- 04, THE SUN ROOM TO OUR NEXT MEETING. >> SECOND. >> MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM [4. Election of Chair and Vice-Chair. The Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board is required to annually elect a Chair and Vice-Chair. Please see the attached recommended Nomination and Voting procedures. Alternatively, after public comment, the simple suggested motions for election may be made. ] FOUR. ELECTION OF A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. JACOB, ARE YOU RUNNING THIS? >> JUST TO SAY, MR. CHAIR, THAT NOW IS THE TIME OF YEAR TO ELECT A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. IT'S TYPICAL FOR ONE MEMBER TO NOMINATE THE FIRST CHAIR POSITION AND THEN DELIBERATE AND VOTE. AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE VICE CHAIR POSITION. >> I'M SORRY, JOHN. I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION TO STAFF. DO WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION OR RESPONSIBILITY TO INCLUDE OUR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IN THIS VOTE? I KNOW THEY'RE NOT HERE. >> THEY DON'T SHOW UP, THEY DON'T GET TO VOTE. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T STEP OUT OF TURN AND DO SOMETHING THAT SHOULD INCLUDE THEM. YOUR TAKE ON THAT. >> AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM, YOU DO BOARD BUSINESS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. OWIER AS OUR CHAIR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE NOMINATION. >> DOES THIS HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS? >> YES. AS YOU ARE AWARE, YOU REQUIRE [01:00:01] A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. YES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS. >> THE MOTION CARRIES 4-0. UNDER THAT SAME GUISE, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE VICE CHAIR GREENE FOR ANOTHER TERM. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> WITH 4-0, THAT MOTION HAS CARRIED. [Approval of Hearing Minutes: 12/02/2024 ] >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF HEARING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 2ND OF 2024. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY NOTES ON THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE HEARING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 2, 2024. >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER MEETING. [Staff Report ] >> THAT MOTION CARRIES. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM STAFF? >> THANK YOU, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES. BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED OR WILL BE RECEIVING SHORTLY THEIR ANNUAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THOSE ARE DUE ON JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR. SECONDLY, AS WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE AN UPCOMING MAY 5TH MEETING. THERE WILL BE SEVERAL ITEMS ON IT. I'M REACHING OUT IF ANYBODY KNOWS THEIR STATUS OF ATTENDING, HELPS STAFF TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME. THAT'S ALL, SIR. >> IF I UNDERSTAND, THAT MEETING WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE MEETING -- THE OTHER MEETING? EFFECTIVELY, WE ARE CONTINUING THE VAN DISCUSSION FOR TWO MEETINGS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THE VAN DISCUSSION WILL MOVE TO JUNE, YES, SIR. >> HOW DO YOU KNOW IF -- I DID MY FINANCIAL THING ONLINE. HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU GOT APPROVED OR IF THERE ARE COMMENTS OR IF IT GOT TO WHOEVER IT IS SUPPOSED TO GET TO? >> I WILL DO RESEARCH ON THAT FOR YOU, SIR. >> OKAY. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY OTHER APPLICANTS FOR OUR BOARD? >> WE DO NOT. A NEW ROUND IS OUT RUNNING FOR THIS BOARD. BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY NEW APPLICANTS CURRENTLY. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE ONE TECHNICAL QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, OR STAFF. SEEING THAT WE MOVED AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS I GUESS PROPOSED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN TO A WORKSHOP, CAN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN STILL APPROVE THAT WHILE WE HAVE TABLED IT? >> THEY COULD. I DOUBT THAT THEY WOULD. BUT I THINK THEY COULD. IT'S WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW. >> THANK YOU. >> CHIP, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST FOR STAFF EARLIER, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A REPORT ON WHAT PARKING -- MAYBE WILL LET YOU SPECIFY THAT. MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR. >> I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO I THINK SOME OF OUR SPEAKERS SPOKE TO THE AESTHETICS OF VEHICLES IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M NOT ONE TO GO TURN IN ZONING VIOLATIONS. THAT'S NOT -- I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO IT, HONESTLY. HOWEVER, I DO NOTICE IN OUR COMMUNITY OTHER AESTHETIC ISSUES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. WHETHER THIS BE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN A DRIVEWAY OR ON A PREMISES, WHETHER THIS BE -- I WILL USE A QUOTE, HOARDING [01:05:07] OF GOODS OR OTHER ITEMS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT HAVE THAT'S AESTHETICALLY UNPLEASING. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ITEMS ARE LOCATED WITHIN OUR ZONING REGULATIONS, WHETHER THEY ARE IN -- I'M NOT SURE. I DID A LITTLE BIT OF LOOKING. BUT I HAD THIS THOUGHT ON THE WAY HERE TODAY OF GIVING THE AGENDA ITEM. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. GREENE'S INQUIRY, I TOOK A FAIR BIT OF NOTES OF WHAT HE DESCRIBED, WHAT HE IS LOOKING FOR. STAFF'S HAPPY -- WITH CONCURRENCE OF THE BOARD, TO DO RESEARCH. BRING YOU A PRESENTATION ITEM TO GO OVER THOSE THINGS. IF THE BOARD HAS FURTHER INQUIRY OR SUGGESTIONS, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT POINT. CERTAINLY, HAPPY TO DO IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM BOARD? ANY REPORTS FROM THE BOARD? HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE TODAY'S MEETING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.