Apr 03, 2025 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TAKING A SEAT. IN JUST A SECOND, WE WILL STAND AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, DR.

HILSENBECK WOULD YOU MIND READING THE PUBLIC NOTICE

STATEMENT. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH FLORIDA LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER, AND AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM FOR A LENGTH OF TIME IS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT, AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND WILL NEED TO ENSURE A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE WHICH RECORD SHALL INCLUDE THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD, AGENCY, COMMITTEE, OR THE COUNTY AND REVIEW OF THE APPEAL RELATED TO THE ITEM. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBERS AND THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 03/06/25 & 03/20/25]

>> THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK. WE HAVE MARCH 6 AND MARCH 20TH FOR APPROVAL. CAN I GET A MOTION . IS THERE A SECOND? ANY

[Public Comments]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, ENSLAVEMENT, CANDIDATE FOR DISTRICT 64 IN THE ELECTION NEXT YEAR. LET ME BEGIN BY QUOTING ROBERT F KENNEDY WHO SAID IN 1961 OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND FOLLOW THE STYLE OF ST. PAUL THE FIRST AMENDMENT MIGHT HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THE GREATEST OF THESE IS SPEECH. IN THE DARKNESS OF TYRANNY THIS IS THE KEY TO THE SUNLIGHT. IF IT IS GRANTED, ALL DOORS OPEN. IF IT IS WITHHELD, NONE. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CHAIR TO ASK LEARNED COUNSEL AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCEEDINGS TODAY TO BRIEF YOU ALL AND SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE 11TH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS DECISION WHICH IS NOAH FINAL, BINDING ORDER, IN THE CASE OF MOMS FOR LIBERTY VERSUS BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. A PRIOR CHAIR, 1386 DAYS AGO, SHUT ME DOWN AT THIS MEETING FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH AND SPEAK IN MY OPINION ABOUT ROYAL LEHMANN AND HIS BIGOTRY. HE WAS WRONG AND I WAS RIGHT IN THE 11TH CIRCUIT AGREES WITH ME AND A SPEAKER SHOULD EVER BE THREATENED AGAIN WITH THAT CHILLING LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAD DR. HILSENBECK READ. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO CRITICIZE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. MY FATHER MACHINE GUN AND NOT NAZIS IN GERMANY. UNTIL RECENTLY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY LACKED A WELCOMING SPIRIT. LET ME ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF TECHNICAL DENIALS. I KNOW STAFF HAS USED IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, THE PHRASE TECHNICAL DENIAL. THAT IS NOT A LEGAL TERM. THAT IS THEIR SPIN ON IT.

IF THERE IS A 3-3 VOTE TODAY OR ON ANY OTHER DAY, THAT IS A

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ALSO I THINK SOME OF THESE MEETINGS, AND I HAVE NOT BEEN TO THIS ONE IN PERSON IN 1386 DAYS BUT SOME OF THESE MEETINGS THEY LET THE DEVELOPERS GO ON AND ON . WE NEED TIME LIMITS. WE NEED UNDER EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT. PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ONLY GET THREE MINUTES BUT WE NEED TO HAVE BETTER RULES OF PROCEDURE AND EVIDENCE SO I CAN BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF ON THAT. LASTLY, WE ARE ABOUT TO HIRE A COUNTY ATTORNEY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE LAW FIRM OF THE CURRENT ETHICS AND RULES COMMITTEE CHAIR IN THE FLORIDA HOUSE IS FIXING TO BE THE FLORIDA SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. THIS LAW FIRM THINKS IT WANTS TO BE THE COUTY ATTORNEY. I WANT A LIVING BREATHING ATTORNEY -- PERSON, A NATURAL PERSON TO BE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND NOT A LAW FIRM OF A POLITICIAN. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING. IT'S HARD TO HEAR EVERYBODY WHEN THEY COME UP TO SPEAK IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> THERE JUST CLAPPING FOR ME, IT'S OKAY. CHARLIE HUNT, MO CREEK ESTATE. AS WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THE COMP PLAN, THERE IS STILL A LOT OF TALK ON WHAT IS THE BIG PUSH FOR KEEPING THE NUMBERS OF PERMITS TO GO DOWN WITH THE COMP PLAN TO APPROVE THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING THAT IS GOING TO BE PROJECTED OUT TO 2025 , SO THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS AND OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THE COMP PLAN, I SEE IT AS 208 IS THE GATE FOR THE COMP PLAN. ONCE THAT COMPOUND IS OPEN IT'S GOING TO FLOOD DOWN IN THAT AREA AND BE MORE EFFECTIVE SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE VISUAL ON MAKING IT MORE POPULATED DOWN THERE THAN WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

ALSO LIKE THE ROBINSON PUD THAT CAME UP AND CAME AROUND AND WAS NOT APPROVED, THAT IS GOOD. EVEN THOUGH IT IS STILL PLANNED. IT WILL PROBABLY GET APPROVED LATER ON BUT THE BIG THING WAS LIKE TREE FARMING, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES OF IT, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS NOT REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN NO MORE BECAUSE OF THE 100 YEARS. IT'S GONE. BUT, COMMISSIONER IS TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A GROUP TO LOOK AT THE AREAS OF FARMING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, HOW TO KEEP FARMS ACTIVE WITHIN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY , AND TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO GET WITH SOME FARMERS AND OTHER PEOPLE BUT TO SET OUT AND KEEP PEOPLE WHO AREN'T JUST HANGING AROUND WAITING TO HEAR ABOUT FARMS MIGHT GO DOWN OR IT CAN'T HANDLE IT ANYMORE SO YES. ANOTHER THING LIKE I SAID I SHOULD GO BACK TO THE COMP PLAN, THERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS STILL AND WILL ALWAYS BE NECESSARY IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY . THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO WORK, JUST WANT TO DO A JOB AND COME BACK HOME AND THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT. THEY WANT TO LIVE HERE. THEY DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY COMING HERE TO WORK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST PUBLIC HOUSING OR LOW-COST INCOME HOUSING. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS A WHOLE AND KEEP LOOKING AT IT EVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AND IF WE SET THE PRESIDENT NOW IT WILL HELP TO BE CONTINUED THROUGHOUT ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMP PLAN COMING UP WHERE THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A BIG DECISION ON THAT HERE IN THE

NEXT FEW MONTHS. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC

[1. REZ 2024-22 1675 State Road 16. Request to rezone approximately 6.09 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Commercial Warehouse (CW), located specifically at 1675 State Road 16]

>> SOMEONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE I SEE DOING SIGN. I KNOW WITH THIS BIG OF AN AUDIENCE YOU WILL GET TIRED, SO IF YOU COULD SORT OF MAYBE COMMUNICATE WITH HER SO IF WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK , BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS FOR HOURS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I JUST KNOW THAT FOR ONE PERSON TO DO THIS BIG OF

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>> REGARDLESS WHEN WE GET TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR WE WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS BEFORE WE START THAT ITEM. ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. IS THE APPLICANT HERE WITH THE AGENT? SIR, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

>> MY NAME IS JAMES HAAS 252 REDFISH CREEK DRIVE

] >> I KNOW WE HAVE CONTINUED THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE THE AGENT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME.

I THINK IF EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH IT, WE WOULD NOT MIND GOING FORWARD WITH IT TODAY IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST GIVING US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU ARE WANTING TO DO. WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT THAT WE CAN RELY ON, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ALONG AND NOT CONTINUE --

>> I WOULD LIKE TO. SHE JUST SENT ME A TEXT. SHE JUST GOT

PICKED UP, SO SHE IS ON HER WAY. >> WE ARE NOT WAITING FOR HER

BECAUSE -- >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I CAN GO

A LIVING. >> IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, JUST KIND OF TELL US WHAT THE APPLICATION IS FOR.

>> WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE JOHN -- ZONING FROM O.R. TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE SO WE CAN GET SOME WAREHOUSES IN THEIR .

IT'S BEEN BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL USE BY EXCEPTION FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING ALL AROND US, SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT TO BE MORE CONDUCIVE

TO THE AREA. >> TO CLARIFY YOU ARE GOING FROM O.R. TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE AND THERE IS COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AND IT IS IN A MIXED-USE AREA AND YOU HAVE BEEN HAVING COMMERCIAL USES ON THE PROPERTY FOR SEVERAL YEARS, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, AND YOU WOULD JUST LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT SO YOUR PROPERTY CAN BE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE OTHERS?

>> CORRECT. THE NEW OWNER PURCHASED AT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO , SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO

DO IT RIGHT. >> OKAY. DO ANY AGENCY MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> THERE IS A REPORT BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL AGENTS, PART OF THE AGENCY AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT THAT THERE IS A 75 INCH DIAMETER BREAST HEIGHT LIVE OAK TREE ON THE PROPERTY. CAN WE HAVE YOUR ASSURANCE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE RETAINED?

>> YES. THE OWNER , SONYA JENSEN, HAS ASSURED THAT SHE WANTS TO KEEP THOSE TREES WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

>> WHENEVER POSSIBLE? >> WELL, THERE WAS ONE THAT I THINK THEY HAD TO REMOVE BECAUSE IT WAS DEAD BUT SHE PLANS ON KEEPING THE TREES AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT --

>> OKAY, WE HAVE YOUR WORD THAT THAT 75 INCH LIVE OAK WILL BE

RETAINED? >> YES.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> MR. LABANOWSKI.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TO THE PROPERTY

ITSELF IN THE FUTURE? >> THERE IS ONE BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN. IT WAS CAUGHT ON FIRE MANY YEARS AGO AND IS GOING TO BE TORN DOWN. WE WANT TO PUT MORE WAREHOUSE

BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY. >> IS THAT AN ACADEMY THAT SITS

BESIDE YOU OVER THERE? >> YES.

>> THAT FENCE THAT IS IN THERE, DOES THAT BELONG TO THE ACADEMY

OR IS THAT YOUR FENCE? >> IT IS THEIR FANS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. SPIEGEL.

>> IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CAN WE HAD THE CONDITION

ABOUT THE TREE ? >> THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM. WE CAN

ACCOMMODATE THAT. >> HE HAS ALREADY SAID THAT WOULD BE GOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT IN WRITING, THANK YOU.

>> BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN EX PARTE?

>> WE HAVE TREE ORDINANCES THAT WOULD PROTECT THE TREES AND YOU HAVE ASSURANCES THERE AND IT WOULD CREATE CONDITIONAL ZONING AND I KNOW THAT STUFF CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS OPTIMAL BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT CREATES CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CAN BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY.

>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT SO WE CANNOT INCLUDE OR WE SHOULD NOT INCLUDE?

>> YOU CAN INCLUDED . IT CREATES EXTRA CONDITIONS. IT IS A

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>> OKAY, IT WOULD NOT HURT IN MY OPINION TO HAVE IT THERE.

>> BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION CAN WE PLEASE DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? SEEING NONE, NOW WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AND DR.

HILSENBECK, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE REZONING 2024-22 1675 STATE ROAD 16.

REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 6.09 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE LOCATED SPECIFICALLY AT 1675 STATE ROAD 16 WITH THE CONDITION , ADDED CONDITION, THAT THE 75 INCH MORE OR LESS , LIVE OAK TREE ON THE PROPERTY IS TO REMAIN, AND TO REMAIN HEALTHY WITH DRIP ZONE CONSIDERATIONS AND ANY TRIMMING OR IMPACTS TO THE ROUTES FROM VEHICLES OR

CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION AND THE SECOND. YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONDITION. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> NO. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION

PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[2. NZVAR 2025-04 Beaver Toyota Sign. Request for a Non-Zoning Variance, pursuant to Section 7.02.04.E of the Land Development Code, to allow for an On-Premise Permanent Sign height of 29.8 feet in lieu of the maximum height requirement of 20 feet for a sign located along a roadway classified as a Local Road, specifically located at 900 Marketplace Drive.]

PARTE FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? >> I DID A SITE VISIT AND I WENT TO SEE THE SIGNS AT THE U.S. ONE LOCATION, AS WELL.

>> I WAS AT THE SITE, AS WELL. >> IS THE GREEN

>> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TINA ARCURI. MY ADDRESSES IN GREG'S LENDING, NORTH CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA. I AM THE AGENT ON BEHALF OF BEAVER TOYOTA .

>> DO YOU HAVE A POWERPOINT? >> BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS MOVE THE SIGN AT THE U.S.-ONE LOCATION, MOVED OVER TO THE NEW LOCATION RIGHT NEXT TO THE INTERSTATE. ONE OF THE SIGNS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, AND HIS IS THE SECOND SIGN FOR THIS DEALERSHIP, AND THE NEXT PICTURE, THANK YOU. THE NEXT ONE. THERE WE GO. THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA AND THERE IS ANOTHER ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT ONE. I THINK IT IS BEST BET, THERE YOU GO, THAT I THINK ARE EVEN LARGER THAN THE SIGN WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE FROM THE ORIGINAL DEALERSHIP TO THIS ONE AND I THINK THERE IS ONE MORE.

>> THAT ONE IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM WHERE THE NEW DEALERSHIP IS. SO, THAT IS REALLY IT, IN A NUTSHELL.

>> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YES. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LARGER SIGNS AROUND THEIR , THEY ARE ALL APPROVED OR WITHIN CODE. THIS IS ASKING FOR

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SIGNS. >> IS IT 50%?

>> 29.8 FEET. 20 IS THE ALLOWABLE. SO, I'M JUST NOT A HUGE FAN OF HUGE SIGNS, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WITH THE LOCATION AND THE HIGHWAY. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T SEE THAT A PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET FOR LARGE SIGNS IN THE AREA BECAUSE I THINK THEY ALL HAVE REASONABLE REASON THAT THEY ARE THERE. SO, I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IN COMPARISON WITH THE SIGN. THERE WERE SOME PICTURES IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT MAYBE DID NOT REPRESENTED WELL BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS ABOUT 35, 40 FEET, SO THE SIGN IS NOT QUITE

AS TALL AS THE BUILDING. >> IT IS A LITTLE CRAZY WHEN ÚTHEY PUT UP SIGNS TALLER THAN THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS.

>> YES, AND THAT WAS MY CONCERN. THAT THING IS HUGE. YOU COULD HOUSE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THAT SIGN. OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT QUITE EXACTLY SURE HOW I'M GOING TO A VOTE ON THIS YET.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> AFTER DOING MY SITE VISIT, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE LOCATION OF THAT SIGN WHERE IT IS GOING IN. AFTER LOOKING AT ALL THE FLAGS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA, THAT IS A UTILITY EASEMENT . IS THIS GOING TO BE GOING OUTSIDE THAT RAIL THAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW?

>> IT WILL BE PUT, IF IT IS APPROVED, OBVIOUSLY , BY ALL OF YOU, IT WILL BE PUT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE PUT WITH THE RIGHT, THE PROPER SETBACKS AND IT WILL NOT BE PUT IN AN EASEMENT.

>> BECAUSE WITH THE PICTURE IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DOCUMENTS HERE, IT SHOWS THE SIGN GOING BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE GREEN RAILING THAT IS THERE. AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THE UTILITY EASEMENT THAT IS GOING IN THERE. IF YOU GO DOWN TO BEST BET, THEY ARE 60 FEET BACK OFF THE ROADWAY AND ON ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDES IT SHOWS THE SIGN GOING TO THE LEFT OF THE LIGHT POLES THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE IS. THAT IS WHERE IT SHOWS THE PREVIOUS LOCATION WAS GOING TO BE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE VISIBLE SITTING FARTHER BACK AWAY FROM THE TREES THERE ON THE HIGHWAY.

>> RIGHT. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. THE SLIDE WHERE I SHOWED -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WHERE I SHOWED THE DIFFERENCE

FROM I-95? >> THERE IS ONE THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IN THERE, I'M COMPARING PAGE FIVE AND 27 IN OUR DOCUMENTS. THE ORIGINAL LOCATION WAS SET FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE THAT IS THERE. THE OTHER SLIDESHOWS IT BETWEEN THE GREEN RAILING ON THE SIDEWALK.

>> NOW, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW. LISTEN, WE WILL PUT THE SIDE WHEREVER YOU GUYS WANT US TO PUT THE SIGN, AND WHERE THEY'RE WILLING TO -- YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT IS IT, A 20 FOOT SETBACK OR A 10 FOOT SETBACK OVER THERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. IN FACT, THAT IS ONE OF MY COMMENTS. IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO SEE A PLAT ON THIS TO SEE WHERE THE EASEMENTS WERE BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT COULD BE PUT IN THE SAME BASIC LOCATION AS THE BEST BET SIGN, WHICH IS 60 FEET BACK

FROM THE ROADWAY. >> FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY? I MEAN, THE BEST BET SIDE IS A LOT BIGGER THAN THIS SIDE BUT I ASSURE YOU THAT IT WILL NOT BE WITHIN ANY EASEMENTS OR IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WILL BE SET BACK

EXACTLY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. >> HEIGHT WISE I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE LOCATION RIGHT THERE . SO, I'VE GOT NO ISSUE

WITH THAT. >> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

>> DR. HILSENBECK . >> WHEN YOU SHOWED US AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE LINE FROM THE PROPERTY OUT TO THE INTERSTATE COULD YOU SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE YOU INTEND TO PUT THE SIGN, AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS WITH THE COUNTY , THE STAFF ABOUT THE SETBACKS REQUIRED , SO COULD YOU SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE YOU PLAN TO HAVE IT? RIGHT THERE OUT TO THE RIGHT? TO THE EAST? BECAUSE,

THAT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME. >> RIGHT. ON THIS SLIDE WE DID NOT SHOW LIKE THAT LITTLE DOT OVER THERE IS NOT INDICATIVE OF

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THE SIGN IS GOING. >> IT IS THE SMALLER CIRCLE OR.WITHIN THE YELLOW LINE THAT IS OUT THERE ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY

OF THAT INTERSTATE? >> IT IS JUST INDICATING THE LOCATION OF THE INTERSTATE. THIS IS NOT LIKE -- THIS IS NOT LIKE AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS LITERALLY JUST TO SHOW A VISIBLE LINE FROM WHERE THE DEALERSHIP IS, WHERE THAT FRONT YARD IS TO THE INTERSTATE, SO THAT WHEN THAT IS NEAR THE INTERSTATE IS LITERALLY JUST THE EDGE OF THE ROADWAY OF

THE INTERSTATE. >> I'M AT THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE. WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THAT IS JUST FROM GOOGLE EARTH.

I DIDN'T DO THAT. WHEN I DREW THE LINE FROM ONE TO THE OTHER

-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. >> SO, ARE YOU INTEND TO PLACE THE SIGN IS THAT BY BEAVER TOYOTA?

>> IT WOULD BE ON THEIR PROPERTY, YES. LIKE I SAID, IT WULD BE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND IT WOULD ABIDE BY ANY SETBACKS.

I KNOW OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH FIRE REVIEW AND ALL THAT, SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET US NOT PUT THE SIGN. SO, WHEN I WAS PERMITTING THE WALL SIGNS, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT FIRE REVIEWS BECAUSE MOST JURISDICTIONS DO NOT DO THAT, AND ONE OF YOUR INSPECTORS WAS VERY NICE AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU GUYS DO THE FIRE REVIEW, SO I UNDERSTAND -- WE UNDERSTAN THE IMPORTANCE OF IT AND IT WILL BE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND NOT ONE INCH OUT OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

>> OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY WHAT IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, IF THE COUNTY COULD ANSWER THAT, PLEASE, THE STAFF.

>> JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT THROUGH THE CHAIR TO BOTH DR. HILSENBECK AND MR. MR. LABANOWSKI'S QUESTIONS, THE TYPICAL SIGNS SETBACK I BELIEVE IS FIVE FEET. I DO WANT TO REITERATE, TO THE APPLICANT'S POINT, THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING A HEIGHT VARIANCE AND THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A SITE PLAN AS PART OF THEIR PACKAGE. I THINK THE RENDERING THEY PROVIDED WAS JUST TO SHOW GENERALLY WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE , BUT THEY WILL BE HELD TO ALL SETBACK STANDARDS. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PLACE THE SIGN IN AN EASEMENT IF THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY ARE COMMITTED TO FOLLOW ALL THE REGULATIONS OTHER

THAN THE HEIGHT STANDARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. LABANOWSKI.

>> TO THE STAFF, THE ONLY REASON THAT I BROUGHT UP THE LOCATION, NUMBER ONE, IS THE EASEMENTS BUT IN THE DOCUMENTS IT ALSO SHOWS A PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION IN THE DOCUMENTS AND THAT IS WHAT I WAS QUESTIONING, THE LOCATION THEY ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING IT. I HOPE WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- I KNOW WE ARE HERE TO APPROVE THE HEIGHT, BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE LOCATION?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT IF THE BOARD WANTED TO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO THE LOCATION THAT IT COULD BE BUT MY READING OF THE APPROVAL DOCUMENTS IS THAT IT IS ULTIMATELY FOR THE SIZE OF THE

SIGN. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE AUDIENCE. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? COME TO THE MIDDLE. TURN THE BUTTON ON. THERE YOU GO.

>> NICK REUTHER, GENERAL MANAGER OF BEAVER, TOYOTA. JUST WANTED TO BE HERE TO CLARIFY ANYTHING. THE FIRST THING JUST FOR CLARITY IS WE CURRENTLY LEASE THESE SIGNS AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION, AND HAVE EXPECTED ALL ALONG TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE SIGNS TO THE NEW LOCATION, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN WE ALREADY LEASED TO THE SIGNS THAT ARE AT A PHYSICAL LOCATION AND NUMBER TWO, THE LOCATION IS INTENDED TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GREEN GUARDRAIL THAT WAS POINTED OUT. THE ONLY THING THAT WE WERE WAITING ON IS THE FINAL CONFIRMATION TO IDENTIFY THE SIZE OF THE FOUNDATION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE SIZE OF THE SIGN IN TO FURTHER THE POINT, IF A SPECIFIC LOCATION WAS NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO USE OUR EXISTING SIGNS, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ACCEPT THOSE CONDITIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WOULD

LIKE TO MAKE? >> NO.

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>> OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. MR. HUNT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES. ONCE AGAIN THE COMPOUND IS NEARLY COMPLETED, 20 ACRES AND JUST MOVE UP FROM 20 FEET TO 29.8 FEET. NO LOCATION FOR THE ACTUAL PLACEMENT OF THE SIGN, SO IS THERE PLAN EFFECTIVE IF THEY SAY WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE PUT THE SIGN UP. OKAY, YOU KNOW THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT NEARLY COMPLETED AND THIS CAME OUT OF NOWHERE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE SIGN BIGGER, OKAY, HARLEY, I DON'T KNOW. THE GREAT EXAMPLES IS THE BASS PRO MAKE A SHOP OR BASS PRO. HOW MANY PEOPLE MISS THAT IF THEY CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO COME IN AND MAKE THEIR SIGN BIGGER TO MAKE IT MORE RATIONAL, OKAY ? NOT THE ONE THAT IS THE FOUR-STORY SIGN GOING NEXT TO THE I-95, RIGHT, LIKE THE HOME DEPOT WHO NEEDED TO CHANGE THEIR SIGN TO GET MORE VISIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING DOWN THAT HIGHLY COMPACTED IDP ROAD, ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE PROBLEM FOR THE LACK OF PREPARATION AND EFFECTIVELY COMING IN AND SAYING MAKE THESE CHANGES AND PLACEMENT OF THE SIGN, BE MORE PROFESSIONAL AT THAT LEVEL, BUT ALSO, THIS WHOLE CONCEPT IS A MOCKERY OF HOW ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS GOING ON. WE NEED TO BRING BIG PEOPLE IN. OKAY, GREAT, THAT'S WONDERFUL, BUT THE POLICIES THAT THEY COME IN AND BRING IT UP AT THE LAST MINUTE , IT'S LIKE AN EMERGENCY SIGN PLACEMENT FOR THE SIGN -- WE HAVEN'T USED IT SO LONG AND IT'S GOTTEN BIGGER. THIS IS WHAT ST. JOHN COUNTY NEEDS TO COME AND START MAKING THESE MORE VIABLE CODES ON SIGN LOCATION, SIZE OF THE SIGN AND RATIONAL WITH THE BUILDING OR WHATEVER BUT THIS IS, THIS IS FUNNY. THIS IS ON THEIR SIDE FOR NOT KNOWING WHERE WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT OUT AND LIKE I SAID, ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THIS WHOLE SIGN ISSUE IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.

MAYBE ONE DAY IT WILL BE LIKE TAKING 95 UP NORTH AND SOON AS YOU CROSS THE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE LINE WE START SEEING A BORDER . SOUTH OF THE BORDER SIGNS EVERY HUNDRED FEET OR SOMETHING, OKAY? BUT YEAH. START LOOKING AT IT LIKE THAT. THIS NEEDS TO COME UP. THIS IS NOT A LAST-MINUTE THAT OH, WE'RE SORRY, WE ORDERED THE WRONG SIGN. THIS IS ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S ISSUE ABOUT NOT HAVING A VIABLE CODE NOW WITH ALL THESE BIG FACILITIES COMING IN AND PUTTING THEM UP AND THEN HAVE THESE ONES COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? WOULD YOU LIKE

TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING? >> WITH REGARD TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING ABOUT AN EMERGENCY AND NOT PLANNING. THAT WAS NOT THE CASE WITH THIS AT ALL. THIS DEALERSHIP IS EXISTING. THEY ARE LOCATED AT 2995 U.S. ONE, WHICH IS A MAJOR COLLECTIVE ROAD. THEY ARE MOVING THE DEALERSHIP TO THE NEW LOCATION RIGHT NEXT TO I-95, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A LOCAL COLLECTIVE ROAD AND THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DISPARITY IN THE SIZE OF THE SIGN. IT IS NOT THAT THE SIGN WAS ORDERED AND WE WERE EXPECTING EVERYBODY TO SAY OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE THE SIGN. THE SIGN ALREADY EXIST, JUST AT THE OTHER DEALERSHIP AND DUE TO THE RELOCATION, WE ALREADY HAVE THE SIGN, SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO, SO.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A QUESTION. SITE PLAN IS NOT REQUIRED. IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW TO DECIDE WHERE THE LOCATION IS OF THE SIGN SO STRICTLY VOTING SHOULD BE ON THE HEIGHT AND WHETHER YOU APPROVE

OR DISAPPROVE. >> CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? I THOUGHT THAT ACTUALLY APPLYING A NON-ZONING VARIANCE, IT CAN'T BE FOR A FINANCIAL REASON. IT CAN BE?

>> IT SHOULD NOT BE. >> THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE HERE. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER SIGN. THE SIGN ALREADY EXIST, WE ARE ALREADY LEASING IT SO THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE ALTHOUGH I DID GET THE VIEW FROM THE HIGHWAY THING, TOO, SO I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU ALL THINK

ABOUT THAT. >> I THINK A LOT OF VARIANCES COME IN THAT WAY AND THEY GET APPROVED NO MATTER WHAT BUT I THINK THE DISTANCE FROM I-95 JUSTIFIES HOW BIG IT IS . IT IS

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RESPOND TO THAT? >> I AM JUST READY TO MAKE A MOTION. WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS APPLICATION EARLIER IN THE WEEK, I WAS EXPECTING A LOT BIGGER SIGN TO SHOW UP ON THE APPLICATION. I FEEL LIKE OH, OKAY , I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. IT'S OUT ON THE INTERSTATE YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2025-04 BEAVER TOYOTA SIGN, BASED ON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO THE FIVE CONDITIONS AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, ZONING CODE WILL TAKE CARE OF WHERE IT IS GOING.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN BOTHER ME, SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION FURTHER WITH

MS. SPIEGEL'S,? >> I ALSO DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIGN HEIGHT . IT IS NOT THE BUCKY SIGN. IT'S NOT THE HOME DEPOT SIGN, THE BASS PRO SHOP SIGN. THIS IS FAIRLY STANDARD . AND, I BOUGHT MY VEHICLE IT BEAVER TOYOTA, SO

I KNOW THE SIGN WELL. >> IS OUR CONFLICT?

>> THERE IS NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS. I'M NOT GETTING A FREE OIL CHANGE. SO, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 29.5 FOOT SIGN SO -- 29.8 FEET, SORRY. SO, I'M GOING

TO VOTE FOR IT. >> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.

I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU. I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND IT WAS NICE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION

[3. REZ 2025-02 SR 207/Helen Road Commercial. Request to rezone approximately 0.97 acres of land, located at 180 State Road 207, from Residential, Manufactured/Mobile Home (RMH) to Commercial Intensive (CI) with conditions, to be consistent with the CI zoning on the remaining one (1) acre portion of the overall 1.97- acre property.]

ANY EX PARTE? >> YES, I DID DO A SITE VISIT,

MADAM CHAIR. >> YES, I DID A SITE VISIT, AS

WELL. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> CHRISTINA EVANS WITH MATTHEWS THE CCM -- DCCM I'M HERE FOR THE REZONING. THERE IS A BILLBOARD THAT WOULD BE REMOVED ONCE THE LEASE IS UP IN THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE CONSISTENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FLEX WAREHOUSE AND BUSINESS OFFICE AND AS THE CODE REQUIRES ALL OF YOUR FACILITIES, PARKING AND STORM WATER HAVE TO BE ON THE PARCEL WITH THE SAME ZONING. SO, THE LAND-USE DESIGNATION IS MIXED USE, ON THE PROPERTY HAS SPLIT, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME ZONING. THIS AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND IW ZONING AND IT IS DIRECTLY ABUTTING THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS ON ALL BUT ONE SIDE. THERE ARE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HENRY STREET AND ONE WAS PREVIOUSLY REZONED TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOHOOD FOR A FINANCIAL PLANNING OFFICE. HERE IS THE AERIAL PHOTO SHOWING IT IS NOT DEVELOPED AS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD . THE SURROUNDING USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CI, AND IW ZONING.

ANOTHER POINT WE ACTUALLY HAD COUNTY STAFF GO OUT AND INSPECT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY SPECIMEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO SUBMITTING OUR APPLICATION, AND THERE ARE NOT.

I'M GOING TO QUICKLY FLIP THROUGH SOME IMAGES OF THE AREA.

A LOT OF THESE USES ACROSS STATE ROAD 207 TO THE NORTH, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE SAME BUFFERING AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL NEED SO TO THE NORTH ACROSS STATE ROAD 207 YOU HAVE A LOT OF OUTDOOR AUTOMOTIVE STORAGE. TO THE WEST THERE IS OUTDOOR STORAGE OF THOSE LUXURY PORT-A-POTTY RESTROOM TRAILERS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT EXTENDS ACROSS THE WHOLE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. TO THE SOUTH ARE THOSE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES. THIS IS THE ONE WITH COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING FOR THE FINANCIAL PLANNING OFFICE. HERE IS THE OTHER SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE IN ON THIS SIDE, WE WILL HAVE A 10 FOOT BUFFER WITH A SCREENING REQUIREMENT. ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE GOT THIS WAREHOUSING AND OUTDOOR STORAGE ALONG THE WHOLE SIDE. SO, THIS IS OUR CONCEPT PLAN OF WHAT WE

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YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO STAFF ABOUT THAT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THERE IS ONLY ONE ACTUAL RESIDENCE , THERE ARE SOME CUTE LITTLE GRANDMA HOUSES AND I'M GLAD THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BUFFER THERE BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. I THINK IT IS A GOOD FIT. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY LIVING QUARTERS ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE WAREHOUSE IS COMING WHERE THE STORAGE IS GOING IN?

>> NO. >> IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? YES, SIR? GO AHEAD, COME UP TO THE PODIUM. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STATING YOUR

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> ENCOUNTER, 297 AARON STREET.

I MAINLY JUST CAME HERE FOR INFORMATION TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH IT. DIDN'T REALLY PLAN ON SPEAKING BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING. THEY DIDN'T MENTION ANY OF THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND THERE. THE KIND OF FOCUSED ON MY HOUSE AND MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, AS WELL, THERE IS NO FINANCIAL OFFICE RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS OWNER. RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST ME LIVING THERE, NO TRAFFICCOMING IN AND OUT . I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW THERE IS ALSO QUITE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND THE TIGHTKNIT COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE , AS YOU MENTIONED THE GRANDMA HOUSES AND EVERYTHING AND UNFORTUNATELY I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SHOWED UP TODAY BUT I FIGURED I SHOULD AT LEAST SAY SOMETHING. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAVE STATED THEY WERE GOING TO COME AROUND TO TALK TO YOU BUT I HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU YET SO AGAIN THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BUT IT IS A PRETTY NICE LITTLE TIGHTKNIT COMMUNITY.

FEELS LIKE WE ARE IN THE WOODS AND I FEEL LIKE TRAFFIC ON 207 AND OLD MILITARY U.S. ONE IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME, I SEE ACCIDENTS ALMOST EVERY DAY AND JUST KIND OF SCARY THINKING OF THAT WHEN GETTING BLOWN UP LIKE THAT. I JUST AGAIN WANTED TO MENTION

ABOUT THE HOUSES. >> THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? MS. EVANS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

RESPOND? >> YES, YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH ACROSS HENRY STREET. THEY'RE ALL FRONTING ON MADDIE STREET AND OUR DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE ON HELEN STREET RIGHT AT THE CORNER BY 207, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST GOING

TO BE RIGHT AT THAT ENTRANCE. >> AND SO, THIS IS FOR STORAGE FACILITY SORT OF THING. IS THERE A LOT OF TRAFFIC USUALLY ? IS

THIS A BIG TRAFFIC GENERATOR? >> NO, SELF STORAGE IS NOT.

ESPECIALLY NOT DURING PEAK HOURS.

>> ONE OTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK. THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES ON THAT LOT RIGHT NOW. ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO PRESERVE SOME OF

THOSE TREES? >> IF WE CAN. THERE ARE NO SPECIMEN TREES AND IF WE DO REMOVE ONES THAT ARE CONSIDERED PROTECTED, WE HAVE TO MITIGATE, BUT BESIDES THE BUFFER TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS A LITTLE SPACE OVER BY THE DRIVEWAY WHERE WE

COULD PRESERVE SOME. >> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THE TREES PRESERVED IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR.

GREEN. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR REZONED 2025-2 STATE ROAD 207 HELEN ROAD COMMERCIAL BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

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>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. CAN I GET ANOTHER MOTION? THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION THAT WE CAN VOTE ON.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY, I WILL MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF REZONING 2025-02 SR 207 HELEN ROAD COMMERCIAL BASED ON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I WILL SECONDED. >> THANK YOU. DISCUSSION. THE PROPERTY IN FRONT IS ALREADY ZONE CI. THERE IS CI ALL AROUND IT . COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS A COMPATIBLE ZONING . IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT, IT IS, BASED OFF OF THE ZONING MAP. ALSO, IT IS CONSISTENT . THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL, SO IN MY OPINION , THIS DENIAL SHOULD BE DENIED AND WE SHOULD APPROVE

IT. >> QUICK COMMENT. I COULD SUPPORT THIS IF THERE DEFINITELY WAS A COMMITMENT TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE IN THAT LOT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE LAYOUT IS, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM IN THERE TO KEEP SOME OF THOSE TREES. YOU DON'T PLAN ON BUILDING ON. SO, IF THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO DEFINITELY PRESERVE SOME OF

THOSE TREES I COULD SUPPORT IT. >> THE AREA THAT WE DO HAVE THAT IS OPEN SPACE, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TREES THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD WORK ON RECONFIGURING IT TO SAVE SOME OF THE LARGER ONES. PARTICULARLY TO THE SOUTH BY THE RESIDENTIAL.

>> THAT WOULD BE GOOD. >> OKAY. NUMBERS AND CHAIR, CAN YOU TRY TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE'S? THE INTERPRETERS

ARE HAVING A HARD TIME. >> SURE. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU INITIALLY WHEN YOU TOOK THAT PICTURE THAT HAD THE SINGLE PICKUP TRUCK ONTO 07, BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER SEEN 207 RIGHT THERE WITH ONE VEHICLE. I'VE BEEN STUCK IN TRAFFIC THERE QUITE BADLY AT TIMES BUT THAT BRINGS ME TO THAT POINT BRINGING THAT UP. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH STACKING? LET'S SAY THREE PEOPLE ARRIVE AT THE SAME TIME TO DELIVER GOODS TO THEIR STORAGE UNIT THERE. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THERE TO PULL OFF OF 207? IT LOOKS PRETTY TIGHT COMING OFF OF 207 INTO YOUR ENTRANCE SO I JUST WONDERED WHAT YOUR STACKING WAS AND THEN SECONDLY, I DO AGREE WITH MR. LABANOWSKI THAT THE LACK OF ANY COMMITMENT OR NOTICE TO PRESERVE ANY TREES ON THAT SITE, BECAUSE IT IS HEAVILY TRADE, IS CONCERNING TO ME, AS WELL, AND I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU, AND MR. RONK, WHO LIVES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS DISQUALIFYING OR NOT. I HEAR HE DOES, I'VE NEVER MET THE MAN BUT I WOULD LIKE SOME COMMITMENT ABOUT SOME TREE PROTECTION BUT I DO APPLAUD YOU FOR AT LEAST HAVING THE 10 FOOT BUFFER WITH SCREENING ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY THERE ALONG HENRY STREET. INITIALLY I DID NOT THINK THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT I'M GLAD YOU HAVE THAT. STAFF INSISTED ON THAT AND YOU AND MR. RONK AGREED TO THAT SO I COULD SUPPORT IT WITH SOME

GOOD ANSWERS HERE. >> THE LDC REQUIRES A CERTAIN DISTANCE THAT A DRIVEWAY CAN BE FROM AN INTERSECTION SO WE ARE MEETING THAT IN STAFF IS NOT COMMENTED ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING I CAN HAVE THE TREE SURVEY AND TRY TO RECONFIGURE TO SEE WHICH

EXACTLY TREES WE CAN PRESERVE. >> OKAY, AND I AM NOT REALLY A MAJOR ADVOCATE FOR A LOT OF STORAGE FACILITIES. I HAVE VOTED AGAINST QUITE A FEW BUT SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY TALL . IT WOULD BE A MULTISTORY, I THOUGHT WERE OUT OF PLACE BUT I COULD SUPPORT THIS ONE. I KNOW MR. RONK'S OTHER MANY WAREHOUSES ARE WELL-KEPT AND HE IS A RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUAL SO I

COULD SUPPORT THIS. >> OKAY, ANY FURTHER COMMENT? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TIDES HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN

HAVE AN A MOTION. >> I WITHDRAW THE MOTION TO DENY

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. >> I WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

>> OKAY, AND WE WILL MAKE A NEW MOTION TO APPROVE . I NEED TO GET MY NOTES. EXCUSE ME. A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2025-02 SR 207 HELEN ROAD COMMERCIAL BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CONDITION THAT A TREE SURVEY WILL BE DONE AND DP WILL BE RECONFIGURED TO CONSERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.

>> WE HAVE A TREE SURVEY, I JUST DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME.

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU, AND WOULD YOU MIND TAKING SOME TIME IN SPEAKING WITH ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS? THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR SINCE IT IS GOING TO BE

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK IN SESSION IF EVERYBODY WOULDN'T MIND TAKING A SEAT . BEFORE WE GET STARTED, IS THERE ANY EX PARTE? YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED EX

[4. COMPAMD 2024-05 Water Lily - Transmittal Hearing. Request for a Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation of approximately 1,110 acres of land from Rural/Silviculture (R/S) and Agricultural-Intensive (A-I) to Residential-C to accommodate for a proposed age-restricted development that will consist of a maximum 3,000 single family homes and commercial/office uses. The subject property is located at the northeast intersection of County Road 214 and County Road 13 South.]

>> THANK YOU, PCA MEMBERS. DOUG BURNETT, I NEED TO START THIS AFTERNOON BY ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE. I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR. I RECOGNIZE THAT.

>> AUDIENCE MEMBERS CAN YOU PLEASE JUST HOLD ON. WE CANNOT HEAR HIM SPEAK WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TALKING TO PLEASE JUST HOLD YOUR

ENTHUSIASM. >> AS SOMEONE WHO REGULARLY IS HERE FOR PRESENTATIONS AND PROJECTS AND WOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE, WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO COME HERE TO PCA AND PROPERLY PRESENT THE PROJECT YOU WOULD WANT A LAND PLANNER AND ENGINEER, YOU WANT WANT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BOTH OF WHOM I HAVE WITH ME TODAY AND YOU WOULD WANT THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS RELATED TO SPECIES, PLANTS, AND WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY AND I DO NOT HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. MY CLIENT TELLS ME HE IS UNABLE TO BE HERE AND SO WE NEED A CONTINUANCE FOR THAT REASON. WE ARE SIMPLY NOT ABLE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT COMPLETELY TODAY SO THAT IS THE BASIS FOR IT, AND I KNOW FOLKS WILL BE DISAPPOINTED. MY CLIENT IS ALSO DISAPPOINTED.

>> BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSIONS, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS CONTINUANCE, WHEN ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE NEXT

HEARING DATE? >> I REALLY WOULD LEAVE THAT TO STAFF AS TO WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE BASED ON YOUR CALENDAR AND WHAT IS ALREADY ON YOUR SCHEDULE. I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD NOT BE THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE OF WHAT IS ALREADY ON THAT MEETING SO I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD GO TWO MEETINGS OUT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE OF HOW YOUR AGENDAS ARE MADE IN

ADVANCE. >> IN YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT IS NOT COMING TODAY AND YOU KNOW FOR SURE HE IS NOT

COMING? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> QUESTIONS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> I HAVE A STATEMENT, NOT A QUESTION .

>> IT IS YOUR BUTTON SO THAT ÚE THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE THAT CAME HERE TO HEAR THIS AGENDA ITEM. I UNDERSTAND, BEING ON YOUR SIDE, AS SOMEONE IN THIS BUSINESS THAT DOES LAND USE AND ZONING, HOW IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BOTH SIDES TO HEAR FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE ON OUR BOARD THAT ASKS A LOT OF QUESTIONS GEARED TO THAT TOPIC , BUT IT IS HARD FOR ME TO WANT TO GRANT A CONTINUANCE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN NOTICED, THAT PREPARED TO BE HERE TODAY TO HEAR THE ITEM .

SO, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HOW THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FEEL.

>> WELL, I AGREE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. I COUNTED 60 OR 70 PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PROBABLY HERE TO SPEAK

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FRANKLY, FOR THIS PROJECT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS FOR ME ARE LOWER DOWN AND A LOT OF OTHER COMP PLAN POLICIES THAT I SEE TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF A CONTINUANCE .

>> I WILL SAY THIS. IT IS A PROJECT FOR THE LAND SIZES OVER 1000 ACRES. THE APPLICANT OWNS THE PROPERTY AND IT IS A PROJECT THAT YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE FULL CONSIDERATION, SO THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THE PZA ASIDE FROM TWO OTHER FACTORS I DIDN'T MENTION. ONE, WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING A POWERPOINT LOADED. I'M NOT 100% SURE IT'S THE CORRECT ONE THAT IS UP THERE NOW . THE SITE WAS NOT ALLOWING FILES OF THAT SITE TO LOAD IN THE OTHER THING IS JUST TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, WE'VE GOT A PZA BOARD THAT IS NOT AS FULL AS IT NORMALLY WOULD BE AND AGAIN THIS IS A BIG PROJECT. I THINK IT VALUES AND WARRANTS YOUR FULL CONSIDERATION WITH A FULL PRESENTATION AND BEING ABLE

TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. >> DOUG, AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE A PERSON THAT APPEARS HERE A LOT ON BIG PROJECTS.

>> I'M NOT SURE I APPEAR HERE ON BIG PROJECTS BUT --

>> WHATEVER YOU SAID ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY SO YOU HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS COMING UP I DON'T KNOW, FOR HOW LONG, A MONTH OR MORE . NOT HAVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT HERE, THAT IS AN UNFORTUNATE OVERSIGHT. WE JUST HAD A RESIGNATION ON THE BOARD SO THAT IS ONE OF THE ABSENCES.

THE OTHER PERSON I FULLY EXPECTED TO BE HERE BUT I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT BUT I THINK YOU'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO BE PREPARED TO PRESENT THIS TODAY AND YOU DO HAVE A FORMIDABLE CROWD HERE . IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE OPPOSED BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW. SO, I CAN'T SUPPORTA CONTINUANCE SO I WILL SAY IT

AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> MS. SPIEGEL.

>> THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU DO A GOOD JOB ON YOUR PRESENTATIONS AND I HOPE YOUR POWERPOINT IS UP. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE, AS WELL, AND ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS BEN OVER BACKWARDS TO RESCHEDULE AN EVENING MEETING IN EARLY MAY TO HEAR THIS SO FARMERS CAN COME AND THEY DELIBERATELY CHANGE THEIR SCHEDULE TO ALLOW AN EVENING MEETING FOR YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION. I DON'T SEE HOW THOSE TWO COULD DOVE TAIL IF YOU'RE SEEING US THAT MEETING , SO THAT IS JUST MY THINKING.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WANT TO DEFINITELY HEAR FROM THE AUDIENCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE MAYBE BOTH SOME WAY. LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE FROM COUNSEL. YOU KNOW, THE AUDIENCES HERE. THEY ARE WILLING TO SPEAK. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. MR. BURNETT DOES NOT FEEL LIKE HE HAS GOT EVERYTHING THAT HE NEEDS .

>> IF THE BOARD IS MORE INCLINED TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE THEN I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE JUST ONE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ACTUAL ITEM. IF WE ARE INCLINED TO GRANT THE CONTINUANCE I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THAT SO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THEY WOULD LIKE BUT LEGALLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT?

>> YES. IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE TO GRANT PUBLIC COMMENT. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS IS THE BOARD HAS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THE CONTINUANCE. THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS IF YOU GRANT A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT YOU WILL ALSO HAVE TO GRANT THEM A PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE HEARING IF YOU DECIDE TO HAVE THE HEARING TODAY BECAUSE IT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT THAT IS

REQUIRED UNDER FLORIDA LAW. >> SO, THERE WOULD BE TWO PUBLIC COMMENT HEARINGS THEN IF WE DENY BUT DECIDE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC THAN WHEN HE DOES COME BACK WITH A PRESENTATION NEXT MEETING, SIX MEETINGS FROM NOW, DO WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK EVERY SPEAK?

>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND RE-SPEAK IN FILE YOU GUYS

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FOR THAT HEARING . >> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE ITEM ANYWAY, CORRECT?

>> I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT FROM STAFF WHAT DATE IS AVAILABLE.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. LABANOWSKI'S QUESTION, IT IS A BIT OF A MOVING TARGET , AS MS. SPIEGEL HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT.

THIS WAS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR MAY 20TH AT 5:00 P.M.

HEARING. HYPOTHETICALLY, I MAY FIRST MEETING COULD HAPPEN WITH THE PZA AND YOU COULD STILL MEET THAT TIMELINE BUT I WILL NOTE THAT IT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE THE BCC ANY GUIDANCE FROM THIS BOARD IN THAT TIMEFRAME. WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO UPDATE STAFF REPORTS OR CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED PLAN OR ANYTHING WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME.

>> FROM LEGAL, IF THE AUDIENCE GOT UP AND MADE COMMENT , DOES IT BECOME PART OF THE RECORD AT THIS TIME, OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO

WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT TIME? >> YOU GUYS UP THERE COULD POTENTIALLY ENTER SOMETHING THAT IS SAID TODAY INTO EVIDENCE BUT TECHNICALLY -- ACTUALLY, MR. GREEN WAS GOOD TO POINT THIS OUT. THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE ITEM. THIS IS NOT A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM SO THE STANDARDS ARE NOT THE SAME. STANDARDS FOR APPEALS ARE NOT THE SAME SO THAT REALLY MATTERS A LOT LESS WHEN THEY SAY IT. IT CAN BE FACTORED INTO THE RECORD.

>> ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, MY CLIENT WILL STIPULAE THAT WHATEVER PUBLIC COMMENT IS MADE HERE CAN GO IN THE RECORD ALL THE WAY THROUGH. WE UNDERSTAND IT IS LEGISLATIVE, AS MR. GREEN POINT IT OUT, AS CONFIRMED BY YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL. WE AGREED THAT IF YOU ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE CONTINUANCE, THAT WORKS FOR US. WE WILL PUT IT ON THE RECORD TO STIPULATE THAT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IS PART OF THE RECORD ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE

PROCESS. >> THE ONLY ISSUE I SEE RIGHT NOW IS STAFF BEING ABLE TO GET STUFF TO THE BCC IF THIS WAS A CONTINUANCE. THAT IS AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

>> WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IF WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THE CONTINUANCE WE WOULD ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT THEN THEN IF THAT DENIES WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN RIGHT, ON THE ITEM TODAY?

>> THAT'S WHAT WERE TRYING TO AVOID SO THAT WE ARE NOT HAVING A REPEAT OF EVERYBODY COMING UP HERE SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, IF WE COULD, MAYBE TAKE A STRAW VOTE OF WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE. IF WE GO WITH THE CONTINUANCE WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND EVERYBODY CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY SINCE THEY JUST STIPULATED TO THAT, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND VOICE THEIR OPINION AND WE WOULD HEAR THAT OBVIOUSLY AND THEN IT WOULD WE CAN DO THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO GRANT THE CONTINUANCE. IF WE'RE GOING TO DENY THE CONTINUANCE WE WOULD JUST GO INTO THE ITEMS . HE WOULD PRESENT AS HE WAS PLANNING TO DO AND WE WOULD HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME.

>> THE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I GUESS , THIS IS STRICTLY A RECOMMENDATION ANYWAY, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> ALTHOUGH THIS DOES SERVE AS ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT NEED TO BE HELD FOR THESE ITEMS SO IT REQUIRES TWO HEARINGS AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

>> LET'S BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM UNDERSTANDING IT PROPERLY. SO, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION BENEFIT GOES ON TO THE STATE LEVEL DOES IT COME BACK TO US AGAIN?

>> YES. >> OKAY THEN IT GOES AGAIN TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION FOR THE FOLLOW-UP. OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SO WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS IF IT GOES ON.

ONE MORE QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, IF IT GETS DENIED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION IT DOES NOT GO ON?

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>> IT DOES NOT GET TRANSMITTED. >> OKAY SO WHATEVER WE DECIDE IT

GOES TO THE BCC. >> HOURS WOULD BE JUST A RECOMMENDATION OF WHETHER IT WOULD BE TRANSMITTED AND IT WOULD GO TO BCC ON THE TRANSMITTAL.

>> OKAY AND I THINK IT IS GOOD FOR THE AUDIENCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT

THAN DOING A ZONING CHANGE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. HOW DO YOU

FEEL? >> AFTER ALL OF THIS AND THINKING OF IT WITH THE AUDIENCE HERE IF THIS POWERPOINT IS WORKING, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.

>> IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE AUDIENCE TO CONTINUE IT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO HAVE A CONTINUED BUT WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE AN OFFICIAL MOTION AND THEN YOU WILL PRESENT. IS THAT ALL RIGHT?

>> YES, I UNDERSTAND. >> CAN I GET A MOTION TO DENY

THE CONTINUANCE PLEASE? >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. TELL ME IF

I AM VERBALIZING THIS CORRECTLY. >> YOU WANT TO DENY THE

CONTINUANCE. >> RIGHT, DENY THE CONTINUANCE

ON COMPAMD 2024-05 WATERLILY. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> THAT MOTION PASSES. MR. BURNETT, YOU'RE UP. THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION.

>> DOUG BURNETT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONSULTANTS WITH ME AND THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE, AS WELL. YOU WILL HEAR FROM A COUPLE OF THEM AS I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TODAY. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THE ADDED DETAIL. I WILL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE AS YOU PROBABLY UNDERSTAND ALREADY THAT SOME OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PRESENTATION WILL BE LIMITED.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE PROJECT TEAM WHICH I THINK WOULD BE COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WHEN THAT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY PREPARED, RESEARCHED, AND ANALYZED , AND ONE WITH OUR JUSTIFICATION SOMEWHERE IN THE 50-PAGE LENGTH RANGE TO ADDRESS COMMENTS, ANTICIPATE THINGS WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION BUT JUST LOOKING GENERALLY AT THE COUNTY MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE MIDDLE PART OF THE COUNTY OUT NEAR STATE ROAD 13 . IT IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD 214 AND COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT IT HERE, LOOKING AT AN AERIAL, THIS IS A ZOOMED OUT AERIAL IF WE TAKE A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK. YOU CAN ALSO SEE SOME OF THE ROADWAYS AND THE AREA THAT HAVE BEEN MARKED HERE BY OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

HISTORIC USES OF THE PROPERTY , WHAT WE SEE AS THE INTENT, THE SUBDIVISION WAS ORIGINALLY PLOTTED IN 1925 AND ALSO AT THE END OF THE YEAR OF 1925, TWO DIFFERENT PLATS RECORDED. YOU CAN SEE THOSE EXISTING LOTS AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE, ROUGHLY 40 BY 20, A DENSITY OF APPROXIMATELY EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE WITH INVESTED LOTS IN THE AREA. WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS AND SOMEBODY POINTED OUT TO ME, COUNTY ROAD 214 WAS PLOTTED AS MICHIGAN AVENUE. A PORTION WAS SUBDIVIDED AS EARLY AS 1925 AND THERE IS THE PLAT , TO 14 PLOTTED AS MICHIGAN AVENUE AND YOU CAN SEE VERY CLEARLY 1925, THE YEAR THAT THIS WAS DONE. THE PLATTED LOT YOU ARE LOOKING AT, TWO THIRDS OF THEM ON THE RIGHT SIDE WOULD BE WITHIN THE PROJECT AND I WILL COME BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT SHORTLY. THIS IS MICHIGAN AVENUE TO THE SOUTH OF 214, ALSO PART OF THE SAME PLAT . ZONING MAP FOR THE PROPERTY, IT IS PRD AND OPEN RURAL, SO THE NORTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS OPEN RURAL AND THE SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS PRD, PLANS RURAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT

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YOU CAN SEE THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF 214 AND YOU CAN SEE A ROAD GOING UP THROUGH THE PROJECT TO TO 13. YOU WILL SEE THAT IS KIND OF SIMILAR AS TO THE PLAN FOR OUR PROJECT. THIS IS THE OVERALL BOUNDARY. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS SLIGHTLY LARGER AGAIN, THAT OH ARE PORTION THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THIS MAP. LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AND GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW AGAIN YOU CAN SEE 214 AND HOW WE HAVE GOT AROUND ABOUT COMING UP THROUGH THE PROJECT UP TO 213, VERY CENTRALLY LOCATED COMMERCIAL PEACH COLORED IN THE DEAD CENTER , THE YELLOW BEING RESIDENTIAL. A KEY PORTION OF RESIDENTIAL IS THAT IT IS AN AGE-RESTRICTED COMMUNITY, 55 AND UP. YOU CAN SEE HUNDRED AND 10 ACRES, UPLANDS, 825. WETLANDS, 272 . IMPACTED WETLANDS ARE ONLY 3.6 ACRES WHICH NETS OUT APPROXIMATELY 269 ACRES OF PRESERVED WETLANDS. AND, YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY AREA GOING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH OR NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST AS THE WETLAND STRAND THAT EXIST ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT WOULD BE LEFT ALONE AND LARGELY INTACT. COMMERCIAL, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS, THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS 280,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. IT WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. THERE ARE NO KINDS OF INTENSIVE USES THAT WOULD BE CONTEMPLATED FOR THIS PROJECT IN THIS LOCATION. AND THEN, 3000 DWELLING UNITS. GOING TO EXISTING CONDITIONS, YOU CAN SEE LARGE PORTIONS OF THE SITE ARE SAND, INDICATIVE OF FARMLANDS AND IF I GO TO THE FLOODPLAIN, ONE THING TO NOTE HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE IS HIM UP -- YES, I DO HAVE A ZOOM UP OF THIS SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE THE 14-FOOT ELEVATION IN THE MIDDLE, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT SLIPS OFF DOWN INTO THE WETLANDS AROUND THE PROPERTY AND ULTIMATELY, THOSE WETLANDS, OF COURSE, FEED INTO ST. JOHNS RIVER AND I WILL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT LATER RELATED TO ITS CURRENT USE AND FERTILIZER. YOU LOOK AT FERTILIZER RUNOFF PRE-AND POST, FARMING VERSUS RESIDENTIAL FERTILIZER COMPARISON. IF YOU LOOK AT AGRICULTURAL SCENARIO RUNOFF, NITROGEN , WE LOOK AT APPROXIMATELY 59,000 POUNDS A YEAR . PHOSPHORUS POTENTIALLY 15,000 POUNDS A YEAR VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, OR IT IS 7800 POUNDS OF NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS, APPROXIMATELY 975 POUNDS A YEAR BASED ON TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS LIKE THIS ONE WITH COMMERCIAL IN THE PROJECT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD REDUCE NUTRIENT RUNOFF BY AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF GREATER THAN 85% ACCORDING TO OUR CONSULTANTS.

GOING TO ENVIRONMENTAL, CARTER ENVIRONMENTAL DID STUDY THE PROJECT AND LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY, PROTECTED ANIMAL SPECIES, AND THERE IS NO CURRENT CONCERNS RELATED TO BALD EAGLES.

THERE ARE NO SITES IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY.

OBVIOUSLY A GOOD PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS CLEARED , THE RIVERFRONT PORTION, BECAUSE IT IS ACTIVELY AGRICULTURAL.

SPECIES HAVE NOT BEEN LISTED. THE ONE THING THAT IS THERE, BALD EAGLE HABITAT. YOU CAN SEE THE NEST LOCATION ARE OUTSIDE OF

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LET'S SEE. THERE IS NO KNOWN COLONIES WITHIN A ONE-MILE RADIUS . PROTECTED PLANT SPECIES, NONE WERE OBSERVED , IN SUMMARY, THE GOPHER TORTOISE WAS THE SOLE PROTECTED SPECIES LOCATED IN THE PROJECT AREA AND THIS REPORT WAS DONE BY MIKE GROVER, WHO IS A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AT CARTER ENVIRONMENTAL.

ONE THING WE DID GET IN COMMENTS WAS RELATED TO WILDLIFE CROSSINGS AND TO MAKE SURE WE CROSSINGS, SO WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED THAT WE WOULD HAVE WILDLIFE CROSSINGS WITHIN THE PROJECT, AND OUR PUD SUBMITTAL ON OUR SITE PLAN DOES CALLOUT WILDLIFE CROSSINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT IS TAKEN CARE OF. WETLAND DELINEATION, WE HAVE TWO PORTIONS OF THIS. UES DID A PORTION OF WETLAND DELINEATION.

SOUTH, AND TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE A SECOND DRAWING THAT LG ENVIRONMENTAL SOLUTIONS ALSO DID ON THE OTHER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. NO SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITIES ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE A FLUX MAP HERE FROM CARTER ENVIRONMENTAL AS WELL AND AS YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE, ROAD CROPS ARE THAT LIME GREEN PORTION IN THE MIDDLE AND UP TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE PROPERTY.

POSITIVE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT WE DO ANTICIPATE A NUMBER OF POSITIVE IMPACTS TO THE PROJECT. WE DID HAVE ERGONOMICS TO A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. KEY FINDINGS RELATED TO A 55+ AGE COMMUNITY, THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE HOME TYPICALLY WOULD BE 1947. SALES PRICE IN THE 23 RANGE BASED ON 2023 NUMBERS.

AVERAGE VALUE WOULD BE 430,000 . OF THE HOMES, ABOUT 70% WOULD BE HOMESTEADED WITH 50,000 PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION BASED ON THAT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, TAXABLE VALUE OF THE HOMES TYPICALLY WE ANTICIPATE AN AVERAGE TO BE 139,000. PROJECTED TAX REVENUES GIVEN THOSE ASSESSMENTS LOOKING AT COUNTY DOLLARS FROM WATERLILY HOMES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, ABOUT 8,800,000 FOR REVENUE TO THE COUNTY, TOTAL COUNTY REVENUE COULD BE AS HIGH AS 15 MILLION.

IMPACT FEES, LOOKING STRICTLY AT THE PROPOSED IMPACT FEES ROADS WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 17 MILLION. PARKS AND RECREATION SOMEWHERE AROUND 4 MILLION . I GUESS TWO KEY PORTIONS TO KEEP IN MIND HERE, AND THIS IS MORE OF A SEGWAY FOR LATER WHEN YOU HEAR FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THE ROAD IMPACTS FROM A TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS, WE BELIEVE THIS MONEY COULD BE USED IN OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL AS WITH PARKS AND RECREATION, JUST BASED ON DEMAND AND CAPACITY. LOOKING AT WATERLILY'S DETAILED PLAN,

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT QUESTIONING JENNY DURKAN, 10151 DEERWOOD PARK BOULEVARD, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH PGE. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR 20 YEARS WORKING THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AREA. THE LAND PLANNER ON THIS PROJECT WAS ALSO -- IS ALSO WITH PGE. HE WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY SO I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN. HERE IS A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN OVERALL. I JUST WANT TO BREAK IT DOWN AND TALK THROUGH HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS LAYOUT. WE WENT THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE TRY TO APPEASE AS MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTY, STAFF AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS POSSIBLE . ONE OF THE MAIN PARTS OF LAYING THIS OUT WAS TO PRESERVE THE WETLANDS, AS DOUG MENTIONED BEFORE. THERE IS A LARGE WETLAND THAT RUNS FROM THE NORTHWEST TO THE SOUTHEAST AND WE PRESERVE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF IT, ONLY IMPACTING IT WITH OUR CROSSINGS SO WE CAN ACCESS THE UPLAND IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER . WE ALSO HAVE SOME ROUNDABOUTS AT THE ENTRANCES, WHICH WERE DELIBERATE, AND I WILL GET TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. AS DOUG MENTIONED, WE ALSO PUT COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO HAVE A CENTRAL LOCATIONS SO THE RESIDENCE OF WATERLILY DO NOT HAVE TO GO ON TO THE COUNTY ROADS TO GET TO THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AS WELL, THE PARCEL ON THE WEST SIDE ALONG 13 -- WE WILL GO INTO DETAIL WITH THAT ONE, AS WELL, BUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR IS HEAVILY WOODED AND OUR INTENTION IS TO MAKE IT LESS DENSE OF DEVELOPMENT SO WE CAN PRESERVE AS MUCH IS POSSIBLE. SO, FOCUSING ON THE WETLANDS , AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS ABOUT 1100 ACRES. TOTAL WETLANDS IS ABOUT 273 ACRES , AND OUR PROPOSED MAXIMUM IMPACT TO THE WETLANDS IS ONLY ABOUT 3.6 ACRES. THIS IS ONLY IMPACTING ABOUT 1.3% OF THE TOTAL WETLANDS THAT WE HAVE ON-SITE AND AGAIN THIS IS ONLY FOR CROSSINGS. AND, THAT LEAVES 269 ACRES BEING PRESERVED. THAT IS ROUGHLY 25% OF THE ENTIRE LANDS BEING PRESERVED THAT ARE WETLANDS ONLY. WE HAVE OTHER PRESERVATION THAT IS UPLAND BUT JUST WANT TO POINT OUT HOW CONSIDERABLE THE WETLANDS ARE AND HOW LITTLE WE ARE IMPACTING. LET'S TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT TRAFFIC. MORE SO ABOUT THE ROUTING AND HOW YOU WILL GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE ADDED THIS ROUNDABOUT AT THE ENTRANCE OFF OF 214 AND, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS SO THAT THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE EAST AS SAINT AUGUSTINE , WHEN THEY COME TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY FORCED INTO OUR SPINE ROAD AND IT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON THE REST OF 214 HEADING TO 13. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH OUR SITE. IT IS MORE NATURAL, AND THAT WAY IF THEY ARE GOING NORTH, THEY ALSO GO THROUGH OUR SITE OUT TO 13. ALSO, VICE VERSA, SO THOSE COMING FROM THE NORTH GOING DOWN 13 COME THROUGH OUR SITE AT THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN OUT TO 214 TOWARD THE EAST TO GET TO SAINT AUGUSTINE. AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE COMMERCIAL BEING IN THE INTERIOR MAKES IT SO THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT DO NOT NEED TO GET OUT ON TO 13 OR 214 TO ACCESS GROCERY STORES OR DRUGSTORES. SO, JUST WANTED TO ZOOM IN ON THE ROUNDABOUT. THIS IS KIND OF A CONCEPTUAL ROUNDABOUT LAYOUT HERE. THIS IS THE 214 THEN OUR PROPOSED SPINE ROAD. AS YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU ARE COMING FROM THE EAST, HEADING WESTBOUND ONTO 14, IT'S GOING TO BE NATURALLY THAT YOU COME TO THIS ROUNDABOUT AND IT WILL FORCE YOU TO THE NORTH. IT WILL BE A LOT EASIER OF A

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BOAT RAMP. >> EXCUSE ME, CAN SOMEONE TURN OFF YOUR PHONE OR WHATEVER DEVICE YOU ARE PLAYING AND FOR PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, CAN YOU PLEASE NOT SPEAK WHILE SHE IS SPEAKING SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR AND UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE IS

SAYING? THANK YOU. >> ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS MENTIONED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PLANS IS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE ANOTHER PUBLIC BOAT RAMP. IN PARTICULAR, ON THE RIVER IN THIS AREA, AND SO THE OWNER HAS PURCHASED ADDITIONAL LAND IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT FRONTAGE AND THEY INTEND TO DONATE THIS LAND TO THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO HAVE A PUBLIC BOAT RAMP. IT IS ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF AN ACRE OF UPLAND THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR JUST FOR THE DOCK AND BOAT RAMP AND THEN WE PLAN TO ALSO HAVE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 13 WITHIN THE WATERLILY DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE TRAILER PARKING, VEHICULAR PARKING AND ACCESS. THIS IS LOOKING AT THAT PARCEL FROM THE ROADWAY TOWARD THE RIVER. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A COUPLE OF HOUSES ON IT, SOME REALLY NICE OAK TREES . THE INTENTION IS TO MAKE THIS A NICE PUBLIC PARK AND BOAT RAMP SPACE FOR EVERYONE TO USE, AND THIS PICTURE IS LOOKING FROM THE END OF THE DOCK TOWARD THE LAND. AND, THESE ARE A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE BOAT RAMP AND DOCS MAY LOOK LIKE. YOU HAVE A BOAT LAUNCH ON THE LEFT AND THEN A KAYAK LAUNCH ON THE RIGHT. GOING BACK TO THE PRESERVED UPLAND TREES THAT WE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED , THE PARCEL ON THE FAR WEST THAT IS ALONG 13 , THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNATED FOR LOWER DENSITY SINGLE-FAMILY THAN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO PRESERVE MANY MORE TREES . AS WELL, THERE IS A 40-FOOT UNDISTURBED UPLAND BUFFER THAT WE HAVE PLACED ON THE FAR WEST SIDE. IT'S ABOUT 44 ACRES. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE THERE IS A LOT OF TREES IN THIS AREA AND SO THE INTENTION IS TO SAVE THESE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, SO WE HAVE DESIGNATED THIS WITH A LOWER DENSITY. THERE IS ALSO A COUPLE SMALL, ISOLATED WETLANDS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT. THEN JUST LOOKING FROM 13 TOWARD THE SOUTH , THIS IS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF IT. SO, THE TREES IN PARTICULAR ON THE LEFT WILL BE WITHIN THAT 40 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER THAT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE TOUCHED. AS WE HAVE DESIGNATED IT. ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO US THAT WAS A CONCERN IN THIS AREA CURRENTLY IS THAT THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF AN EMERGENCY SERVICES DESERT. THE CLOSEST POLICE STATION IS IN HASTINGS, ABOUT 15 MILES AWAY . THERE IS A FIRE STATION ABOUT 13 MILES AWAY IN ELKTON, AND THEN THERE IS A FIRE STATION ON 208, WHICH IS ABOUT 10 MILES AWAY. I WAS MEASURING TO THE 214 KIND OF CENTER OF THE SITE . SO, OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HAS A LOCATION FOR FIRE STATION AND THE POLICE STATION. WE HAVE IT LOCATED RIGHT OFF 214 ON PURPOSE. HERE IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE LOCATIONS. DOWN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS THE HASTINGS LOCATION . OVER TOWARD THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE TOWARD 95 IS ELKTON, AND UP TOWARD THE NORTH ON 208 IS THE CLOSEST FIRE STATION, BUT STILL OVER 10

MILES. >> IF YOU COULD STAY ON THAT MAP FOR ONE SECOND, THE OTHER THING TO OBSERVE ON THIS MAP IS THE ORANGE COLOR IS CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF FIVE MILES OF A FIRE STATION SO YOU CAN SEE THE FIVE-MILE RADIUS ALONG THE RED ROADS THAT HAVE LOWER INSURANCE COVERAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE WITHIN FIVE ROAD MILES OF A FIRE STATION, AND BY PUTTING A

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>> SO, THIS IS THE ZOOMED IN LOCATION. IT IS ABOUT 3.3 ACRES IN SIZE . HERE IT IS AGAIN AND ALSO A LETTER . IT IS HALL -- HARD TO READ, BUT THIS IS FROM CHIEF DOWLING . IT IS A LETTER BASICALLY SUGGESTING THE FIRE STATION LOCATION NEEDS TO BE AS CLOSE TO 214 AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO GET THE BEST COVERAGE OF THE EXISTING HOMES WITHIN FIVE MILES OF THAT , WHICH DOUG JUST WALKED YOU THROUGH. AND SO, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO, DOUG WENT THROUGH THE EXISTING ZONING OF PRD WHICH ALLOWS A SINGLE AMOUNT OF SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. THOSE UNITS WOULD RELY ON WELL AND SEPTIC IN ORDER TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE FOR THOSE HOMES . OBVIOUSLY, A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE IS NOT GOING TO USE WELL AND SEPTIC , AND THE NEXT CLOSEST FACILITY WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR THIS SITE IS ABOUT NINE MILES AWAY. IT IS JUST WEST OF 95 , AND THAT FACILITY IS BASICALLY AT CAPACITY , SO IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE UPGRADED AND THEN LINES BROUGHT DOWN. THAT WAS OUR INITIAL THOUGHT, WAS TO BRING FACILITY IS -- HAS NO CAPACITY, THAT WAS NOT GOING TO WORK, SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND THEY HIRED A SPECIALIST THAT DOES WATER AND WASTEWATER FACILITIES . IT WAS DETERMINED WE COULD DO A WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY HERE . SO, WE HAVE DESIGNATED THIS AREA FOR THOSE FACILITIES . AFTER THEIR STUDY IT WAS DETERMINED WE NEED ABOUT 2.5 ACRES OF LAND TO ACCOMMODATE THIS DEVELOPMENT . WHAT THE OWNER HAS AGREED TO DO WAS DONATE 6.3 ACRES SO THAT THE COUNTY CAN UPGRADE FACILITIES IN THE FUTURE . AS WELL, THE OWNER IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT FACILITIES FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ROUGHLY $55-$60 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION COST, AND THEY ARE NOT SEEKING CREDIT FOR THE COST OF THIS LAND, OR THE CONSTRUCTION. SO, THIS IS THE WATERLILY DEVELOPMENT OVERLAID ON THAT EXISTING PLAT. THIS IS ACTUALLY LAID OVER THE GIS, THE COUNTY'S GIS. YOU CAN SEE THE SINGLE-FAMILY PLAT TOWARD THE SOUTH AND TOWARD THE WEST. THAT IS EXISTING TODAY WITHIN THE COUNTY'S GIS. THAT HIGHLIGHTS THAT PLAT THAT DOUG MENTIONED THAT WAS RECORDED IN THE 20S, 1925, AND THIS YELLOW LINE SHOWS THE WATERLILY BOUNDARY OVERLAID ON THAT PLAT. SO, THAT WRAPS UP THE DETAILED EXPLANATION OF THE SITE PLAN. OKAY, I'M BACK. UTILITIES.

>> I WILL SPEAK TO PART OF THIS AND I HAVE GOT JENNY HERE TO CORRECT BEFORE I GO WRONG. WE DID REQUEST WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY. WE GOT A RESPONSE BACK RELATED TO THAT. MUCH OF IT IS EXACTLY IN LINE WITH WHAT JENNY SUGGESTED A MOMENT AGO REGARDING WATER AND SEWER AND HOW THOSE THINGS WOULD BE HANDLED . IF YOU CLICK THROUGH , I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PROBABLY SKIP THROUGH SOME OF THIS FOR A TIME, IT IS IN THE RECORD BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS YOU NEED TO BUILD THE FACILITIES. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE, AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT, I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW THAT THE DEVELOPER DID GO THROUGH AND GET A FEASIBILITY STUDY ACCOMPLISHED TO UNDERSTAND THE COST AND WHAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TO KNOW THAT FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, THAT $55-$60 MILLION CONSTRUCTION

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>> DOUG, YOU CAN JUST BE THE ENGINEER, TOO. THIS HIGHLIGHTS AGAIN THAT AREA WE DESIGNATED FOR THE UTILITIES , APPROXIMATELY $60 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION TO BE DEDICATED TO

THE COUNTY. >> AND WITH THAT LAST, WE WILL ASK

>> GOOD EVENING. RAJESH TINDALAR WITH TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS.

TRANSPORTATION. I HAVE BEEN A CONSULTANT FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW AND DONE PROJECTS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SO THE JURISDICTIONS HERE. THIS IS A VERY DETAILED STUDY AND GUIDANCE WITH THE STAFF THAT SHOWS THE COPY OF THE STUDY WHERE WE LOOKED AT MUCH IN DETAIL , A TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY SO WE WENT AND STUDIED DOES NOT THE IMMEDIATE AREA BUT WE ALSO WENT WAY BEYOND THE REQUIRED MINIMUM DISTANCE SO THIS GIVES YOU A SUMMARY OF THE TRIPS THE PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE. THE PROJECT IS GOING TO GENERATE RESIDENTIAL NATURE THERE'S GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 400 TRIPS BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL AND OF COURSE WE ARE CAPPED BY NEXT 20% PER COUNTY GUIDELINES BUT THERE COULD BE MORE THAN THE 20% BUT FOR STUDY PURPOSES WE LIMITED IT TO THE MAXIMUM OF 20% ALLOWED BY THE CODE SO THAT RESULTS IN 724 P.M. PEAK CAR TRIPS AND 972 P.M. PEAK RETAIL. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU CAN SEE THREE STUDIES -- STUDY AREAS REFERENCED IN THE MAP FOR A TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO STUDY ROADS WITHIN A FOUR-MILE RADIUS. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE RED CIRCLE AND THEN UPON DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF, WE WANTED TO EXPAND THAT STUDY TO ALMOST A 10-MILE LINEAR TRAVEL DISTANCE FROM THE PROJECT TO SEE THAT THE TRAFFIC CAN GET TO THE NEAREST COMMERCIAL IN ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN YELLOW AND THEN UPON FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, WE WANTED TO SEE A KIND OF LIKE LOOK AT MORE STUDY AREAS SO WE WENT BEYOND THAT 10 MILE RADIUS, AND WE ENDED UP APPROXIMATELY 12 MILES IN TOTAL SO YOU CAN SEE THAT GREEN STUDY AREA. WITHIN THAT FOUR-MILE RADIUS, THE STANDARD AS PER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU CAN SEE THAT NONE OF THE ROADS WILL BE IMPACTED WITHIN THAT STANDARD

FOUR MILES. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CAN YOU PLEASE STOP. WE ARE GOING TO PAUSE THE MEETING AND HAVE YOU GO OUT AND TAKE A RECESS IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH EVERYBOY. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY SO LET'S MOVE ON.

PLEASE BE QUIET. >> WE ALSO HAVE A HEARING-IMPAIRED INTERPRETER IN THE ROOM AND IT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO TRANSLATE WHEN THERE IS EXTRA NOISE.

>> I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. THIS IS BASED ON THE TRAFFIC COUNTS IN THE SPREADSHEET THE COUNTY MAINTAINS EVERY YEAR SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT ON THIS THIRD COLUMN . THOSE OF THE ROADWAY CAPACITIES FOR THE COUNTY SPREADSHEET. SOME OF THE NUMBERS ARE ALL JUMBLED UP BUT YOU CAN SEE THE FOURTH COLUMN GIVES YOU THE MEASURE OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC IN THE FIFTH ON THE SIXTH COLUMN THAT GIVES YOU THE TRAFFIC THAT IS RESERVED FOR OTHER TRAFFIC ON THESE ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND ON TOP OF THAT WE ADD OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AND YOU CAN SEE NONE OF THE ROADS ARE ANTICIPATED TO FALL WITHIN THAT FOUR-MILE RADIUS. AND THEN, THIS ONE TALKS

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ONCE THE EXPRESSWAY IS BUILT I CAN SHOW YOU THE NUMBERS THE TPO STUDY SHOWS ONCE THERE IS CONSTRUCTION THERE WILL BE A HUGE AMOUNT OF REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC ON ST. GEORGE 16 SO ALMOST A 35% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC REDUCTIONS FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM ST. GEORGE COUNTY AND OTHER PLACES CAN USE THE EXPRESSWAY. SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE IN TRANSPORTATION.

>> IF YOU WOULD, JUST KEEP GOING FORWARD. EVERYTHING WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO WITH THE PROJECT, AS RAJ CAN CONFIRM WOULD BE WITH US D.O.T. MEASUREMENTS, THE COUNTY SPREADSHEET AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR PROPORTION OF FAIR SHARE AND OF COURSE THAT ALL TIES BACK TO FLORIDA STATUTES SO

LET'S KEEP FLIPPING FORWARD. >> HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> JUST A FEW CLOSING COMMENTS RELATED TO OUR PRESENTATION . YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A PENDING PUD APPLICATION , AND AS MR. GREEN WAS ALLUDING TO, YOU HAVE THIS PROCESS FOR TRANSMITTAL WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT BUT TYPICALLY A PUD WOULD CATCH UP, SO TO SPEAK, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BECAUSE PUD'S ONLY TAKE TWO HEARINGS SO IF THIS WERE TO BE RETRANSMITTED THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THOSE WHO WOULD ULTIMATELY SEE THE PUD APPLICATION AT A FUTURE HEARING . WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR A TRANSMITTAL . IT IS GREAT OPEN -- GREATER THAN 50 ACRES SO WE HAVE TO DO TRANSMITTAL. THE PROCESS FOR A STATUTE AS A REFRESHER MAYBE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE, STATE LAND

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>> I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I SHOULD HAVE REFERRED TO YOU AS A SEASONED PROFESSIONAL , AS SOMEBODY WHO APPEARS APPEAR A LOT. LET ME ASK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE A FEW BRIEF QUESTIONS NOW. AND WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS LATER BUT COULD YOU ANSWER PLEASE, WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OR CONNECTION BETWEEN LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT AND URBAN SPRAWL , BOTH GENERALLY AND AS SPECIFICALLY APPLIED TO THIS PROPOSAL?

>> I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT IN REBUTTAL BUT I THINK THE QUICK RESPONSE TO YOU IS THAT WE IN LARGE PART RELY ON THE HISTORY OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 80 YEARS AT THE TIME THE PURD WAS APPROVED NOW WHAT WOULD BE APPROVED AS A PLAT WITH THE DENSITY OF 180 UNITS IN ACRE. THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT BE IN AGE RESTRICTED REALLY LIMITS THE INTENSITY OF A PROJECT CREATING A CENTRAL CORE TOWN CENTER FIELD TO THE PROJECT HELPS TO HAVE INTERNAL CAPTURE.

OUR PUD IN FACT IS DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT IT WOULD HAVE NOT JUST BIKE LANES AND PEDESTRIAN WALKING AREAS, IT WOULD ALSO HAVE CART PATHS FOR INTERNAL MOBILITY TO REALLY PROMOTE THAT SENSE OF SPACE AND DESTINATION FOR AN H-RESTRICTED COMMUNITY.

THE OTHER THING IS IT PROVIDES THE POTENTIAL THAT WE HEAR SO OFTEN AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION LEVEL IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE NEED HOUSING AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS THIS LOCATION. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR AGING RESIDENTS TO HAVE A PLACE TO AGE IN PLACE AND MOVE TO THAT IS STILL IN OUR COUNTY AND SO YOU MAY ACTUALLY FREE UP SOME HOUSING AND OTHER PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY MAYBE CLOSER TO THE CITY CENTER AND HAVING A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT IS AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY, SO WE KNOW THAT AGE RESTRICTION COMMUNITIES -- AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES, WITHOUT QUESTION, IN OUR COUNTY, HAVE DONE VERY WELL SO THERE IS NO REASON TO THINK THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT DO VERY WELL AND AGAIN, IT COMES WITH THE BENEFITS AFTER BRINGING THE SERVICES TO THE AREA FOR ARGUABLY THEY WERE CONTEMPLATED. THERE IS MORE WE CAN RESPOND TO.

I THINK I'VE EVEN GOT SOME SLIDES TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN OUR FINAL CONCLUSION REBUTTAL SO I WILL DEFINITELY CIRCLE BACK TO THAT AND MAYBE HVE ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS ADDRESS IT.

>> THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE RESPECTFULLY I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY ADDRESS THE QUESTION BECAUSE I ASKED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT AND URBAN SPRAWL SO AS YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE, COUNTY STAFF HAVE STATED IN THEIR OPINION THAT THIS IS LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT SO I WANTED TO GET THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE COMP PLAN PROHIBITS URBAN SPRAWL AND SO I WANTED THAT CONNECTION. PERHAPS YOU COULD TALK ABOUT CONNECTION BETWEEN LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT AND SPOT ZONING. IS LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT SPOT ZONING?

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>> I GUESS THE KIND OF DOVETAIL IN IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE TECHNICAL, WE CAN DEFINITELY CIRCLE BACK ON THOSE BUT URBAN SPRAWL, AS I UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION, IS A SPRAWLING CONTINUOUS EXTENSION OF DEVELOPMENT THAT SPRAWLS.

LEAPFROG IS JUMPING TO A NEW LOCATION, AND I THINK THAT IN THAT TIME WE ARE NOT JUMPING TO A NEW LOCATION. IT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED FOR 100 YEARS THAT IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED TO A

HIGHER DENSITY. >> REGARD TO -- I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS. IT'S NOT A QUESTION BUT WITH REGARD TO THE TOCOI SUBDIVISION HOWEVER, THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY STATES. THEIR EXISTENCE OF THAT DOES NOT OVERRIDE THE INTENT OR PURPOSE OF THE COMP PLAN WHICH CLEARLY PROVIDES THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA ARE INTENDED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT BEFORE I ASK THIS QUESTION. THE CONNECTION BETWEEN LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS SAYING YOU ARE SEVEN. YOUR CIVIL ENGINEER MAY HAVE INDICATD NINE BUT YOU ARE OVER SEVEN TO NINE MILES AWAY FROM WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS .

THEY ARE TRIMMING IT LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT SO HOW DO YOU

ADDRESS THAT? >> I COULD BE WRONG BUT I WOULD HAVE TO VENTURE A GUESS AND I WILL DO THIS BEYOND TODAY'S HEARING AND CIRCLE BACK TO YOU WITH DETAILS TO THE EXTENT I CAN PROVIDE IT, BUT MY PERCEPTION RELATED TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THIS COUNTY IS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. IT IS AN INTERESTING ISSUE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- YOU GO ON THE COUNTY'S IMAP SYSTEM AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LAYERS AND YOU CAN PULL UP THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YOU CAN PULL UP THE ZONING MAPS.

YOU CAN PULL UP ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LEVELS, EAGLES, FIVE MILE RADIUS OF THE FIRE STATION, ONE THING YOU CANNOT PULL UP IS THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND SEE WHERE IT IS DRAWN IN, AND THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. MOST EVERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THEM, GREATER THAN 51%, ARE OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA

BOUNDARY. >> BUT THEY MAY BE CONTIGUOUS

WITH IT. OR NEARLY SO. >> IN SOME CASES, YES. AND THE ADDED PIECE OF THAT, THOUGH, IS THE ZONING THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE -- LET ME BACK UP. THE PLAT THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR LOTS THAT ARE EQUIVALENT TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE PREDATED THE 1970S WHEN FLORIDA CREATED ZONING BY AT LEAST 50 YEARS. THEN ON TOP OF THAT, PREDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BY 70 YEARS SO I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF IT LOOKED AT WHAT PLATTED LOTS ARE THERE AND WHAT LOTS ARE ON RECORD WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS DATABASE WERE RECORDS AT THAT TIME, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE, AND THEY DID SEE, I WOULD ASSUME, THAT THERE IS A HIGHER DENSITY THERE, YET THEY DID NOT PUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO MATCH THE DENSITY IN THE AREA, AND THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY OVER

THE YEARS. >> FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE PRD, IT ONLY ALLOWED FOR 205 HOMES ON APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES, SO THAT IS WHAT THE CHART SAYS HERE ON FIGURE 1, COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS. THE EXPIRED PRD, 205 SINGLE-FAMILY HOME UNITS, TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE . THAT IS WHAT WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED

THERE. >> THE OTHER ACREAGE WAS

PRESERVED. >> AND 928 ACRES WOULD'VE BEEN PRESERVED UNDER THAT PRD SO THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR HERE. HUGE DIFFERENCE. FOR EXAMPLE, GOING TO GET INTO THIS RIGHT NOW BUT YOU ARE ASKING FOR 240 AND 120 TIMES DENSITY OF SURROUNDING LAND USES, SO THAT IS A CONCERN.

KEEP THAT IN MIND. SO, YOU WENT THROUGH SOME FIGURES ON TAX

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>> THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE RECURRING AD VALOREM REVENUE

FROM THE PROJECT. >> THEY'VE GOT TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THAT. WHAT DOES THAT COST? SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I DON'T WANT THE AUDIENCE TO GET TIRED.

>> I GUESS ON THAT ISSUE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE A BREAKPOINT OF WHAT THE AD VALOREM ASSESSED VALUE OF A HOME WOULD BE AS ITS SHARE OF THOSE SERVICES VERSUS A HOME THAT IS WORTH MORE THAN THE BREAKPOINT AND HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL MONEY WOULD COME INTO

ACCOUNT. >> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING YOU. >> THAT IS THE ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN DONE HERE AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION LEVEL BEFORE. THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WE WERE SHOWING THE $449,000 AVERAGE VALUE OF THE HOME BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE BREAKPOINT OF BEING A DRAIN ON PUBLIC SERVICES. OF COURSE, THAT DOES NOT COUNT THE COMMERCIAL, AND WE KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL FUNDS IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICES THAN IS AD VALOREM VALUE , MEANING IT'S AD VALOREM GENERATES SO MUCH REVENUE IT IS FAR IN EXCESS OF THE DRAIN ON

SERVICES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO HOLD OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS UNTIL LATER. I DON'T WANT THE AUDIENCE TO LEAVE OR GET TIRED.

>> MR. LABANOWSKI. >> CAN YOU PULL UP THE SLIDE ON THE ENTRANCE COMING OFF OF 214? YOU WENT THROUGH IT REAL QUICK .

WHERE THE CIRCLE IS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT? I THINK THE ROUNDABOUT, JUST FOR POINT OF REFERENCE, WOULD BE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED OF MORE RECENT TIMES INCLUDING, FOR

EXAMPLE, RIVERTOWN. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AGAIN.

I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO JUMP BACK SO MANY SLIDES. I'M THINKING IT'S IN THE 80 RANGE. MAYBE BEFORE THAT. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT TO GET TO THAT POINT.

>> I WILL JUST ASK A QUESTION THEN. DOES THAT ROUNDABOUT EFFECT TO 14? DOES IT GO INTO 214 ITSELF?

>> JASMINE, YOU CAN STOP. I THINK WE'RE GOOD BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME. YES, IT DOES. IT DOES CAUSE TO 14 TO

BE AS PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT. >> I CAN SEE DOUBLE WIDE FARM EQUIPMENT GOING THROUGH THAT CIRCLE.

>> MS. SPIEGEL. >> YES, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. I WANTED TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS OF STAFF IF THEY CAN LOOK AT IT WHILE PUBLIC COMMENT IS TALKING.

MR. BURNETT SPOKE ABOUT COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND HOW MANY WE HAVE AND MOST OF THEM ARE OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY. COULD YOU SEE HOW MANY THERE HAVE BEEN THAT HAVE BEEN FROM AG INTENSIVE TO RESIDENTIAL? AND IF YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT ROBINSON IMPROVEMENT COMPANY? WAS THAT RURAL SILVICULTURE? ANYWAY, IF YOU COULD JUST CHECK ON THOSE FOR ME AND MAYBE SOMEBODY ALREADY HAS THE ANSWER BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT WHILE WE WERE HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE THREE DESIGNATED SPEAKERS TO COME FORWARD AND EVERYONE ELSE PLEASE LINE UP. IF YOU SIGNED A SHEET THAT ALLOWS SOMEONE TO SPEAK FOR YOU AS A DESIGNATED SPEAKER., PLEASE DO NOT COME. YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUR TIME TO THAT PERSON. JESSE HOWELL, PLEASE COME FORWARD. DR. HILSENBECK, WILL YOU SET THE TIMER FOR 15

MINUTES, PLEASE? >> JESSE HALE , COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH. 35 YEAR RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. FIRST AND FOREMOST I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR NOT ALLOWING THE CONTINUANCE OF THE

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>> CAN I ASK YOU JUST TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT?

>> TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN.

>> I'M TRYING TO CATCH UP BUT I KNOW THE INTERPRETER IS TRYING

TO CATCH UP AS WELL. >> UNDERSTOOD. IT INDICATES A TOWN CENTER TYPE FIELD TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS EXTERNAL TO THE COMMUNITY AS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PERSON THERE INDICATED BUT THERE IS CONFLICTING FIGURES IN THAT AS WELL. IT MENTIONS ACREAGE IN SOME PARTS THAN IT MENTIONS 280,000 SQUARE FEET. I WAS LIKE WENT TO AN 80,000 SQUARE FEET IS MENTIONED BECAUSE IT ACTS LIKE THAT IS A LARGE SPACE. THAT'S ABOUT SIX ACRES SO SMALLER THAN THE SIZE OF YOUR AVERAGE PUBLIC PLOT SO IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF THERE SO WHILE THE PLAN PAINTS A NICE PICTURE OF WHAT COULD BE INCLUDED THERE, MAYBE CLINICS, BOCCE OR SOMETHING THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE FOR THAT INTO AN 80,000 SQUARE FEET. I AM GOING TO READ COMP PLAN A1 311 WHICH STATES COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS RESULTING IN UNREASONABLY NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT DO NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT COMPATIBILITY MEASURES SHOULD NOT BE IMPROVED. -- APPROVED.

THAT GOES HAND-IN-HAND WITH THE URBAN SPRAWL WE ARE SEEING WITH THIS. I HEARD A FEW REFERENCES TO THE 1920S HERE. THEY WERE NOT THE BEST EXAMPLE OR CASE FOR TODAY. YOU CAN SMOKE WHILE PREGNANT AND THE 1920S. ASBESTOS WAS A NEW AND IMPROVED BUILDING MATERIAL BUT OVER 100 YEARS IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE. ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF PLATS WITHIN WATER LILY AS THE EXAMPLE, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. THIS GROUP ACTUALLY THOUGHT PRETTY HIGHLY OF THEMSELVES. YOU CAN SEE MICHIGAN AVENUE IN PLACE OF 214, VIRGINIA BOULEVARD IN PLACE OF 213. THEY EVEN HAVE A GNOME STREET UNDER WHICH IS QUITE A NIGHTMARE IN AND OF ITSELF.

CURRENT MAPS THANK GOODNESS ON THE STREET IS NOT THERE BUT WE CAN SEE THIS HAS NOT BEEN BUILT OUT OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT WHICH IS FLORIDA STATUTE 163.164 WHICH IS AN ANTIQUATED SUBDIVISION. I'M GOING TO READ IT WORD FOR WORD. A SUBDIVISION HAS FAILED TO BE BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ZONING PURPOSES AND WOULD CAUSE AN IMBALANCE OF LAND USE TO ZONING AND PLANNING IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT AND LEAD TO FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AS DETERMINED BY THE RESPECTIVE JURISDICTIONS. THE KEY THERE BEING IRRESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH CURRENT PLANNING PRACTICES. I ALSO HAVE THE DEFINITION FOR URBAN SPRAWL THERE WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS A MENTION CHARACTERIZED BY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WHERE UTILITIES HAVE TO BE EXTENDED OUT THROUGH UNDEVELOPED AREAS TO MEET THAT SO THERE'S NO CLEAR SEPARATION WITH THAT. THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THERE WAS SOME REALLY GOOD ASSUMPTIONS HERE. I THOUGHT THE PERSON DID A NICE JOB. WAS OUTSIDE THE 10 MILE STUDY ARE ALREADY OVER 100% CAPACITY. EVERYONE'S FAVORITE DISASTER STATE ROAD 216 IS INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL. MY BEAT UP TRUCK AND POOR POSTURE ARE GOOD TESTIMONIAL FOR HOW ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION IS BUT IT IS A FURTHER INDICATOR PAINTING THE PICTURE OF URBAN SPRAWL LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT HERE IF YOU LOOK THE MAP INCLUDED AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY HERE THERE IS A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, AGRICULTURAL, ROLE, SILVICULTURE AND PRD BEFORE YOU GET TO AT THE CLOSEST DEVELOPMENT OF SIMILAR SIZE IN NATURE. THIS IS AN ACTUAL PHOTO OF 214. PEAK TRIPS

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HOWEVER THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THEY ATTACHED IT TO AVOID DISCUSSING THE CROWDED SCHOOLS SITUATION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, JUST BEING THAT IT IS OVER FIVE TIMES THAT SIZE. A QUICK SEARCH AND THE APPLICANT DID MENTION THAT ADULT COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE VERY WELL IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HOWEVER THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPEN HOUSES HERE TOO SO I'M CONCERNED AFTER A WHILE IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD IF THEY NOTICED THE DEMAND FOR 55 AND OLDER HOUSING IS NOT THERE, THE NEXT AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO ALLOW YOUNGER FOLKS TO LIVE THERE AS WELL AND THEN WE HAVE THE SCHOOL ISSUE SO I THINK IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT POTENTIALLY.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT, AS WELL. A GOOD PORTION OF THIS GOES TO COUNTY ROAD 13. IT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY POLICY B1616 CLASSIFIED AS A SCENIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE INCLUDING OLD-GROWTH TREES WITH EXTENSIVE CANOPY. THE CAN -- COUNTY SHALL MINIMIZE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS. SO, SPEAKING ABOUT 13, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS AND EVACUATION ROUTES.

SPECIAL RULES APPLY TO BUILDING ADULT COMMUNITIES AND COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP HERE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA FRNGES THE DEVELOPMENT BUT WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF BUILT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS FIVE TIMES THE SIZE OF YOUR TYPICAL APPLICATION SO THAT BEING SAID, EVACUATION ROUTES ARE CRITICAL . COUNTY ROAD 13 IN MANY INSTANCES BEEN A CRITICAL PART OF THAT. THERE IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE TRAVEL ROUTES HERE. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY A 156 THE COUNTY SHALL NOT APPROVE AMENDMENTS TO INCREASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THE COUNTY SHALL SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT NEW DEVELOPMENT OF ADULT CONGRESS LIVING FACILITIES, TOTAL CARE FACILITIES AND SIMILAR ELEMENTS WITHIN THE HIGH HAZARD AREA. I KNOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ENTIRELY DONE THAT BUT IT IS FIVE TIMES THE SIZE OF YOUR TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE AND IT IS FRINGED BICOASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS. WHEN I WAS MUCH YOUNGER I SPENT AROUND SEVEN YEARS WORKING IN A NURSING HOME.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST TOPICS FOR US WITH THE AGING COMMUNITY WAS EVACUATION. HOW DO WE GET OUT, AND 13 IS VERY DIFFICULT EVER SINCE MATTHEW AND FIONA AND WHATEVER HURRICANES WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST FEW YEARS IT LOOKS LIKE A WERE DOWN -- WAR ZONE DOWN 13. ADDING A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE WOULD BE VERY RISKY SO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD NOT BE VERY DESIRABLE.

AGRICULTURAL IMPACTS. ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WILL DISRUPT AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS. I WAS LATE FOR WORK THIS MORNING BY ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES BECAUSE I WAS BEHIND SOME EQUIPMENT AND I AM THANKFUL FOR THAT BECAUSE 850 ACRES OF POTATO FIELDS AND CORN CROPS PROVIDES FOOD. A QUARTER OF 1 MILLIN PEOPLE ARE GETTING FOOD CURRENTLY FROM THAT SIZE OF AGRICULTURAL AREA. WHEN YOU GO TO THE SCREENSAVERS FOR COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS BEFORE YOU LOGIN ON THE GOVERNMENT SITE TO VIEW PZA MEETINGS, A BIG PORTION OF THE SCREENSAVER AND BACKGROUND IS ACTUALLY SOUTHERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE . YOU SEE PICTURES JUST LIKE THIS. CURRENT WATER CONSUMPTION IS FOR AGRICULTURE SEASONAL. IT USES A MYRIAD OF ASSUMPTIONS ON BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES SO IT WAS A REALLY NICE STUDY THEY PUT TOGETHER THERE. IT DOES INDICATE RECLAIMED WATER WILL BE USED FOR IRRIGATION TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 64 WHICH STATES THAT NO NEW WELLS CAN BE DRILLED FOR JUST BASIC LAWN WATERING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE BUT NO MAJOR DETAILS ARE GIVEN OR ILLUSTRATED ON THESE PLANS. THE PLAN INDICATES WATER SUPPLY IS NOT CURRENTLY

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JOHNS COUNTY BUT WITH THE PRICE OF REASONS, EVEN PARTS OF THE WORKFORCE THAT ARE RETIRING WOULD STILL STRUGGLE TO BUY SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES. IT WON'T PROVIDE ANY JOBS OR VERY FEW JOBS FOR THE 6000+ RESIDENTS, APPROXIMATELY TWO SENIORS PER HOUSEHOLD. A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO NEED TO WORK SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I'M NOT ON TRACK FOR RETIRING AT 65. THE AVERAGE AGE OF RETIREMENT IN THE U.S. IS 62. I AM A COAST GUARD LICENSED CERTIFIED CAPTAIN. I'M ABLE TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT TO THE RIVER TO FISH. THE ST. JOHNS RIVER IS A REFRESHING BREAK FROM THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF SAINT AUGUSTINE SO THIS COULD BE POTENTIALLY DETRIMENTAL TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE THE SLOW PACE AND NICE SIDE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY . I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THE COUNTY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR GUARANTEEING DESIRED RATE RETURNS ON LAND INVESTMENT. WHEN IT IS IMPACTFUL AND DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY IT SHOULD BE DENIED. ARCHAEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE, THE ST. JOHNS RAILROAD. I DID NOT SEE A LOT ABOUT THIS IN THE STUDY AND IT IS COMPLETELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION SO A GOOD PORTION OF THE DOCTOR IN THE LEFT PHOTO IS STILL THERE SO AS MENTIONED BE IN A FISHING GUIDE I TAKE PEOPLE FISHING IN THAT AREA. IT IS A PRETTY GOOD SPOT BUT I DID NOT SEE A LOT IN THERE ABOUT THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE. ONE THING THAT DID LOOK NICE IN THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION KNOW THAT I ONLY HAVE A MINUTE AND A HALF LEFT BECAUSE AS MENTIONED, TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN, I ALWAYS LIKE THE IDEA OF BOAT RAMPS. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM HERE THAT IS NEVER AT CAPACITY. IT IS SLOW-PACED, IT IS NICE. WHOEVER DID THE RENDERINGS THERE, THEY ARE NICE BUT IS ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN THERE KNOWS AS THE WIND COMES OUT OF THE WEST IT LOOKS LIKE THE OCEAN OUT THERE. I DID READ IN THE PLAN THE SUGGESTION TO NAME THE BOAT RAMP AFTER PAUL WALDRON. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE TOUCH BUT I KNOW COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON WOULD NOT A FAVORITE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY SO ALTHOUGH IT IS A NICE GESTURE I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANKS. WITH THAT I WILL DEDICATE MY REMAINING 40 SECONDS TO THE REST OF THE PEOPLE HERE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH MR. CUBBAGE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS KYLE CUBBAGE. ELTON HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT MEETING TO OUR FAMILY. WE CAN TRACE OUR ROOTS TO THIS AREA BACK TO 1821 FOR MY EIGHTH GENERATION RELATIVE VOTED

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IT IS FOR MY CHILDREN NOW LIVE AND ENJOY THE SAME THING I ENJOY. VOTED IN THE FIRST STATEWIDE ELECTION JUST A FEW MILES FROM THE PROJECT SITE AND MY GRANDFATHER ACTUALLY PURCHASED LAND IN ELKTON WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND HOW WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT. I THINK THE HISTORY IS IMPORTANT. TOCOI WAS INDEED A BUSY AREA HUNDRED PLUS YEARS AGO BUT THIS IS ALL IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND I THINK THEY DID A GREAT HISTORY LESSON HERE. AS THE RAILROAD EXTENDED FROM JACKSONVILLE TO SAINT AUGUSTINE THIS CAUSE TOCOI TO BE ABANDONED AND REALLY ALL THAT IS LEFT THERE IS SOME PYLONS IN THE RIVER THAT CHANGE TO THE AREA. IT WAS A STEAMSHIP STOP AND WHERE TURPENTINE WORKERS WERE BUT BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD SYSTEM IT COMPLETELY CHANGE THE AREA ON THE OUTLOOK OF THE AREA SO JUST BECAUSE THIS AREA WAS PLATTED FOR SOME LOTS IN 1925 DOES NOT REFLECT THE CURRENT CHARACTER OF THIS AREA AND DOES NOT GIVE REASON TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND I THINK YOU QUOTED THIS FROM THE STAFF REPORT THERE, THEIR EXISTENCE DOES NOT OVERWRITE THE INTENT OR PURPOSE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH CLEARLY PROVIDES THE AREA AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE INTENDED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. THIS IS MORE FROM THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THE SUBJECT SITE HAS A FUTURE LAND USE AREA OF RURAL SILVICULTURE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS OVERWHELMINGLY RURAL WITH MANY ACRES OF THE PROPERTY BORDERING AGRICULTURAL TIMBERLANDS AND UNDEVELOPED LAND. THE LOTS AROUND IT RANGE FROM ONE TO 10 ACRES. THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT , STRAIGHT FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, IS CHARACTERISTIC OF LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT. CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA SO THIS IS THE SURROUNDING AREA STRAIGHT FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT. AS YOU CAN SEE , IT IS FARMLANDS. IT IS RURAL. IT IS AGRICULTURAL. THERE IS NOTHING AROUND THIS THAT ANYWHERE REFLECTS WATER LILY.

HERE IS THE SURROUNDING LAND USES THAT ARE CURRENT USES RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE BURRELL FAMILY FARMS THERE, RIVERDALE POTATO FARMS, PICK A LOT OF PRODUCE, YOU HAVE FAMILY FARMS. YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE ONE TO 10 ACRES AND TIMBERLANDS AND YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AGAIN THERE IS NOTHING SURROUNDING THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY . IT IS RURAL SILVICULTURE. IT IS AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE. IT IS NOT REZ C. AGAIN, STAFF NOTES THE ADDITION OF THESE RENTAL UNITS AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL UNITS WILL DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR AREA. THIS EXISTING SITE IS RURAL AND CONTAINS PRIMARILY LARGE FARMLANDS. SPARSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, IT APPEARS TO BE DEVOID OF NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE USES. OF OVER 3000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 280,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THIS WOULD BE THE LARGEST SINGLE DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 208 AND WEST OF 95. IF THIS GETS APPROVED IT IS GOING TO CHANGE OUR AREA SIGNIFICANTLY . FOR CONTEXT, THE PROPOSED SIZE IS COMPARING THIS TO EXISTING PUD'S IS THE SIZE OF THE SHORES, SHEARWATER, PALENCIA.

THIS IS HUGE AND IS ABSOLUTELY NOT COMPATIBLE TO OUR AREA. THIS IS COMING OUT OF YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WHEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONCERNED, THE COUNTY SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES SO AGAIN BACK TO THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT TO THE NORTH, THE SOUTH, THE EAST, THE WEST, OPEN WORLD. ONE HOUSE FOR EVERY 40 ACRES. ONE HOUSE FOR EVERY 20 ACRES. THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE AT ALL TO ANYTHING THAT IS SURROUNDING IT. AGAIN, MR. HOWELL TALKED ABOUT THIS, TOO BUT I WILL PICK OUT A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS. AREAS DESIGNATED RURAL SILVICULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE ARE NOT DEVELOPMENT AREAS. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT ADD AREAS SHALL BE DISCOURAGED AND LESS THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATES IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB PRESERVATION AND CREATION OF A JOB ENVIRONMENT OR A BLOOD PUBLIC -- OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT WHICH THEY DO NOT. THE COUNTY IS SUPPOSED TO ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS URBAN SPRAWL. INFILL

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SO, THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE THE EXTENSION OR NEW FACILITIES AND AN AREA THAT DOES NOT CURRENTLY NEED IT SO AGAIN WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? WE ARE PUTTING A DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE IS NOTHING ELSE AROUND IT. IT'S GOING TO BE AN EFFICIENT FOR OUR STAFF AND TO COME UP WITH STAFFING FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IN AN AREA THAT IS COMPLETELY AWAY FROM ANYTHING ELSE.

SOMETHING ELSE I DID MENTION HERE THAT I HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION IS THEY ARE DONATING A 6.29 ACRE SITE FOR THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY AND WASTEWATER FACILITY. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 12 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY DEPARTMENT ESTIMATES IT WILL REQUIRE 20 ACRES FOR WASTEWATER AND 12 ACRES FOR WATER, SO THAT IS 32 ACRES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SIX ACRES WAS ALL THAT BUT THIS IS REQUIRING EXTENSION OF PUBLIC FACILITIES AD SERVICES IN A COMPLETELY AND EFFICIENT MANNER WHICH IS CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN THIS IS OUT OF YOUR LAND USE CODE. THIS IS THE COUNTY SAYING IT SHOULD ENCOURAGE TO INVESTIGATE AND COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY, AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION OFFICES TO PROMOTE AGRICULTURAL FARM AND CROP PRODUCTION. THIS IS SUBSTANTIAL TO OUR COUNTY AND AGAIN THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM YOUR LAND USE CODE. THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE COUNTY CONTAINS LARGE AREAS OF ACTIVE FARM AND CROP LANDS AND THE COUNTY SHALL CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE PROGRAMS TO CONSERVE AND PRESERVE THIS AGRICULTURAL AREA FROM THIS INTENSE DEVELOPMENT. THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIS TRAFFIC SO TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE A HUGE CONCERN. JUST IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS MY WIFE TAKES OUR CHILDREN BACK AND FORTH FROM SCHOOL AND I SAID HEY, I KNOW YOU SEE THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY. JUST GIVE ME A COUPLE VIDEOS OF SOME TRACTORS GOING BACK AND FORTH AND IT WAS WITHIN TWO WEEKS SHE GOT ME ALL THESE VIDEOS AND I JUST PUT A COUPLE OF THEM IN HERE TO SHOW YOU THIS IS WHAT WE SEE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH AND 214 .

THIS IS JUST FROM YESTERDAY. THIS IS MARCH 31ST. THAT IS COUNTY ROAD 214 GOING EAST . THERE IS COUNTY ROAD 305 128.

THERE IS 214 RIGHT BY WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PLAN ON DOING THIS.

THIS IS EVERY SINGLE DAY BEING USED AS AN AGRICULTURAL AREA.

THERE IS NO WAY WE COULD ADD 24,144 ROAST DAILY TRIPS WITH AGRICULTURAL TRACTORS GOING UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD. IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE. LET'S JUST TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT HURRICANE EVACUATIONS. THE LAST FEW STORMS IT HAS BEEN IMPOSSIBLE. YOU'RE GOING TO ADD DAILY TRIPS. IMAGINE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THERE AND THE SAFETY CONCERNS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR ADDING AS MUCH IN THIS AREA. LASTLY I WILL JUST SAY THIS. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF DID AN AMAZING JOB ON THE STAFF REPORT. YOU HAVE SOME VERY TALENTED FOLKS HERE THAT WORK FOR THE COUNTY. I WOULD ASK YOU TO REVIEW THAT STAFF REPORTED SEE ALL OF THE POINTS THAT THEY MADE IN HERE THAT THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE. THIS IS LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT. IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND PLEASE DENY THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. DIANE WILSON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DIANE WILSON. I LIVE AT 1297 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 21 YEARS. MY HUSBAND AND I USED TO WEEKEND FROM ORLANDO SINCE 1985. A FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID THEY WERE COMING TO THE MEETING SO I THOUGHT I WOULD COME AND HUMILIATE MYSELF IN FRONT OF THEM. THE SPEAKER, I AM NOT, SO BE PREPARED. WE'LL WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BRING, THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS A HUGE CONSIDERATION GIVEN THE RURAL NATURE OF COUNTY ROAD 214. WE ARE RURAL. ST. JOHN COUNTY STAFF EXPANDED THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO 10

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THE OTHER THING I THINK IS SIGNIFICANT IS B .1 .6 TRANSPORTATION AND LAND-USE WHICH STATES B .1 .6 .16 THE COUNTY RECOGNIZES COUNTY ROAD 13 IS A SCENIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL CULTURAL RESOURCE WHICH INCLUDES ALONG ITS BOUNDARIES, ST. JOHNS RIVER, WETLANDS, SEGMENTS OF OLD-GROWTH TREES AND EXTENSIVE CANOPY AND SEGMENTS OF ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. COUNTY SHALL PROTECT COUNTY ROAD 13 AS A UNIQUE ROADWAY. OTHER COMPONENTS OF WATER LILY OF THE 2800 TO 3000 HOMES, APPROXIMATELY 6000 AUTOS, THE BOAT RAMP, THE TRAILER PARK , TRAILER PARKING ACROSS THE STREET, SAFETY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CROSSWALK FOR THE TRAILER PARKING AND SO MUCH MORE BUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND WHAT THE APPLICANT WATER LILY IS SEEKING. WATER LILY IS SEEKING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGE TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM RURAL SILVICULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL C TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED AGE RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENT OF A MAXIMUM OF 3000 HOMES. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS FUNDAMENTALLY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES NOR DOES IT OUR WILL IT MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF OUR RURAL AREA. THE DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY 10 TIMES THAT OF THE EXISTING HOMES UP AND DOWN 13 AND 214. INTENSITY NOISE, TRAFFIC GENERATION, ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE, SANITATION DRAINING, WATER RUNOFF, WILDLIFE, AQUIFER RECHARGE ALONG WITH SERVICES ARE JUST A FEW OF THE REASONS FOR THE LACK OF COMPATIBILITY. WHAT I HOPE TO DO TODAY , WITHOUT BORING YOU TO TEARS, IS TO OUTLINE THE OBJECTIVES AND THE POLICIES, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WHICH WOULD SUPPORT THE DENIAL OF WATER LILY COMPAMD 2024-05 . THE COUNTY SHALL CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT ITS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE PROTECTION OF AGRICULTURAL AND SILVICULTURE LANDS AND THE IDENTIFICATION OF RURAL AREAS INCLUDING HIGH-QUALITY ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS. I'M GIVING YOU THE ACTUAL POLICIES THAT SUPPORT WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE. POLICY 8.1.6, THE COUNTY SHALL MAINTAIN RURAL, SILVICULTURE AND AGRICULTURE INTENSIVE AS DEPICTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. ONCE IT IS CLEARED AND BUILT, WE CAN NEVER GET IT BACK. OBJECTIVE 8.1.2, URBAN SPRAWL.

THE COUNTY SHALL CONTROL URBAN SPRAWL CHARACTERIZED BY LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT, STRICT DEVELOPMENT AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OVER A LARGE AREA. POLICIES 8.1.2.2, PROMOTE INFILL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN DEVELOPMENT AREAS AS DEPICTED ON FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 8.1.2.3 NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE THE RURAL SILVICULTURE DISTRICTS WILL BE CLUSTERED PURSUANT TO THE PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

8.1.2.5, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS SHALL PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION AND DEMONSTRATE HOW THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DISCOURAGES URBAN SPRAWL AND NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT NATURAL RESOURCES. THIS IS A SEGMENT UNDERNEATH 8.2.1.5 PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONTINUOUS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. B, IN WHICH GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT WARRANT THE AMENDMENT. C, ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, E, WILL NOT RESULT IN URBAN SPRAWL PATTERN AS FLORIDA STATUTE 163 AND E, ENSURES COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND PROTECTS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES AND CHARACTERISTICS. POLICY A .1 .2 .7 SAYS THE COUNTY SHALL ENCOURAGE URBAN AND SUBURBAN GROWTH IN AREAS WHERE PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES ARE. DEVELOPMENT AREAS, THOSE AREAS

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WATER LILY'S PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND DOES NOT CREATE A CONTIGUOUS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. APPROVING THIS FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE AND AMENDING THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE TO RAZZ C WOULD NOT BE IN LINE WITH THE OBJECTIVES AND GOALS OF THE 2025 COMP PLAN NOR TO THE EXISTING LAND USES AND THE SURROUNDING LAND AREA REPRESENTING -- EXCUSE ME, SURROUNDING AREA REPRESENTING URBAN SPRAWL. AT THE VERY LEAST IT WILL TAX OUR FRAGILE AREA ALONG THE ST. JOHNS RIVER COUNTY ROAD 214 AND SCENIC HIGHWAY 213. AS OUR FRIENDS AT CAPITAL ONE SAY, IT IS THE EASIEST DECISION IN THE HISTORY OF DECISIONS. DENY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 20 2505 KNOWN AS WATER

LILY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO EVERYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WHO DID NOT SIGN UP TO HAVE A DESIGNATED SPEAKER. WE HAVE THREE PODIUMS, SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, ONE BY ONE PLEASE JUST GO AHEAD AND LINE UP AT A PODIUM AND WE WILL GO ON TO EACH ONE SO WE DON'T WASTE AS MUCH TIME HAVING PEOPLE WALK UP. PICK ONE AND EACH PERSON WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE DO NOT CLAP AFTER EACH PERSON SPEAKS. THAT WILL JUST DELAY THE HEARINGS EVEN LONGER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY SPEAK. MA'AM ON MY LEFT, GO AHEAD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS JEANNIE SIRACUSA. 11 749 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH, ONE MILE AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IT IS YOUR JOB TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, TO PROTECT AGAINST URBAN SPRAWL AND WE HAVE ENOUGH SPRAWL.WE HAVE ST. JOHNS, WE HAVE RIVERTOWN, WE HAVE SILVERLAKE. WE MOVED TO THE RURAL FARMING AREA TO GET AWAY FROM URBAN SPRAWL. THERE HAS GOT TO BE A PLACE LEFT IN THE COUNTY TO GET AWAY FROM THE INTENSE EXTREME DEVELOPMENTS ALLOWING 3000 HOMES WITH 6000+ CARS TO THESE FARMING ROADS WITH TRACTORS ON THE ROAD AT ALL TIMES OF DAY IN THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. IT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR FARMING COMMUNITY. THE INTENSITY IS TOO GREAT FOR THIS RURAL AREA. COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH 13 IS A HISTORIC ROAD WITH WILDLIFE AND PROTECTED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. WE MOVED HERE TO GET AWAY FROM THE RIDICULOUS DEVELOPMENT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. IF DEVELOPMENTS HAVE TO HAPPEN, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO -- IT IS AFFECTING EVERYBODY TOO MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR

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MY NAME IS ROXANNE NAM. I LIVE AT 7295 WOULD ROW ROAD. THAT IS 1.6 MILES FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AS MANY OF THE COMMENTERS HAVE ALREADY CITED VERY WELL FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , I MIXING MY NOTES. THEY HAVE ALREADY HIT THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE AREA. THERE IS NO CONTINUITY BECAUSE THERE IS NO PRECEDENCE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT IS A MEGA DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT OF A SUBURBAN, DENSELY POPULATED SUBURBAN AREA. WE ARE A RURAL AREA. THE NEAREST DEVELOPMENTS TO THIS ARE 3.9 MILES TO PLEASANT COLONY, WHICH IS AN EQUESTRIAN COMMUNITY. THE HOMES ARE SINGLE HOMES ON THREE-ACRE LOTS. SIX MILES AWAY IS ASHTON OAKS WHICH IS ALSO AN EQUESTRIAN COMMUNITY CONSISTENT TO PLEASANT HALLWAY. THOSE ARE MILES AWAY.

DRIVING FROM WATER LILY ONE WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE 10 MILES TO THE NORTHEAST TO GET TO THE NEAREST ROAD THAT IS TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION FOR A CIRCUMFERENCE OF 10 MILES. THERE ARE ONLY SINGLE-LANE ROADS. THOSE ARE ROADS THAT ARE OCCUPIED BY FARM EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS LIVESTOCK AND EQUESTRIAN TRAILERS AND CANNOT POSSIBLY NAVIGATE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE. WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION OF A TRAFFIC STUDY BUT IT IS A TRAFFIC STUDY INDICATIVE THE STANDARDS THAT DO NOT CONTEMPLATE RURAL TRAFFIC SO WHEN SOMEONE STANDS IN FRONT OF YOU IS A TRAFFIC EXPERT AND TALKS ABOUT NO IMPACT, THAT IS WHY YOU HEAR FARMERS AND THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE AREA LAUGH. IT IS LAUGHABLE TO SUGGEST THAT THERE IS NO IMPACT TO TRAFFIC . CONSIDERING THE SAFETY CONCERNS IN THE CASE OF EVACUATION , I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW, THERE IS PERHAPS AN ARGUMENT THAT POLICE SERVICES ARE NOT NEARBY . WE HAVE NEVER NEEDED POLICE SERVICES. IT IS A RURAL AREA. MY NEIGHBOR SHOWED UP AT MY DOORSTEP WHEN THE HURRICANE HIT. WE DID NOT HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE. THAT IS THE NATURE OF A LOW-DENSITY COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE, SO CONSISTENT WITH THAT I ALSO IMPLORE THE BOARD TO NOT TRANSMIT THIS REQUEST FOR WATER LILY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

>> HI. MY NAME IS CINDY LONG. I LIVE AT SEVEN 819 WEST ANCHOR ROAD. I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE WATER FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT ARE GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY TO OWN ON CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION. I LIVE ON A WELL AND SEPTIC, SO THAT MEANS MY TAX DOLLARS WILL BE PAYING FOR THE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF THIS FACILITY. THEY DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE CROSSWALK THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD OR HAVE ON 13 WHERE THE BOAT RAMP IS. THAT AREA, I JUST DROVE IT THE OTHER DAY AND I WISH I HAD MY VIDEO. THAT LITTLE AREA HAS CURVES TO THAT RIPPER YOU GET TO THAT BOAT RAMP AREA AND TO HAVE THAT TRAFFIC WITH BOAT TRAILER TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BOAT RAMP ON ONE SIDE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAILER PARKING ON THE OTHER WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE DOWN A BUNCH OF BEAUTIFUL TREES ALONG THAT ROAD, AND THEN YOU WANT TO PUT AROUND ABOUT THEIR RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET THERE AND THEN YOU ALSO WANT TO PUT A CROSSWALK, OKAY, IN A CURVED AREA . IF YOU WANT TO HAVE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS I CAN SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

BECAUSE, PEOPLE ARE COMING DOWN THERE ON THEIR SUNDAY DRIVE.

THEY ARE CHILLING OUT AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO TRY TO GET INTO SOME BOAT RAMP. THERE IS A BOAT RAMP THREE MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD FROM THERE THAT IS HARDLY EVER USED SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY GET THE DEMAND FOR AN ADDITIONAL BOAT RAMP. WE ALSO HAVE PELL-MELL UP THE ROAD AS WELL. WE ENJOY THE TWO-LANE ROADS WITH THE BEAUTIFUL TREE-LINED CANOPIES THAT USED TO BE THERE. NOW YOU LOOK AT APARTMENTS. STRIP MALLS. WE DON'T WANT -- I MOVED AWAY TO GET AWAY FROM THAT. I ENJOY GOING DOWN MY TWO-LANE ROAD WITH CANOPY TREES AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT AWAY. AND FOR

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>> MY NAME IS BENJAMIN HEISEY. I LIVE AT 417 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH. AS EXTENSIVE MILES SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION AND 214.

WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. THIS IS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE CONVERSATION. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS RESIDENTS AND WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY ABOUT THIS AREA. THE

>> WALK HAD AREA THAT STRETCHED FROM SICK AUGUSTINE TO ALABAMA INTO GEORGIA. THEY WERE AGRARIAN. THERE WERE A SUCCESSFUL EMPIRE. WHEN THE SPANISH CAME THE SPANISH ESTABLISHED SAINT AUGUSTINE OBVIOUSLY AND ALSO STATED TO ESTABLISH MISSIONS. ONE OF THE FIRST OF THREE MISSIONS WAS AT TOCOI ESTABLISHED IN 1602. IS FIVE YEARS BEFORE JAMESTOWN.

THAT MISSION WITH THE OTHER TWO HAD AT ONE TIME A SENSE OF -- CENSUS OF 200 CHRISTIANS LIVING THERE. THEY WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT AGRICULTURE AND THEY REALLY AND TRULY HAD EXTENSIVE EMPIRE ONLY WIPED OUT BY THAT INVASION. THIS LAND USAGE HAS BEEN REDUCTION SINCE 2000 B.C. WHEN THE TIMUCUA ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE BEEN THERE. THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON AND WE LEARN FROM THAT DATA. IF LILY PAD WERE TO COME AND BE THERE ESTABLISHED SUDDENLY A BIG HUNK OF THAT PRODUCTIVE LAND BECOMES CONSUMPTION. IT CONSUMES MANY OF OUR RESOURCES , ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO HERE. TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE WOULD FAIL TO TAKE THE TIME TO GIVE DUE CONSIDERATION TO WHAT HAS GONE ON FOR 4000 YEARS AND WHAT IS TRULY EFFECTIVE IN THE HISTORY AND LEGACY OF OUR AREA. TOCOI HAS A STEAMBOAT PLANT BECAUSE THE HARBOR IN SAINT AUGUSTINE WAS TOO DANGEROUS FOR STEAMBOATS. STEAMBOATS CAME UP TO ST. JOHN'S. PEOPLE GOT OFF, GOT ON THAT LITTLE TRAIN. HARRIET BEECHER STOWE WAS ONE OF THEM, GOING TO SAINT AUGUSTINE. WE HAVE ALL HEARD THE STORIES.

THE HISTORY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE INCLUDES THAT AREA. THE HISTORY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DOES NOT STOP AT THE CITY LIMITS. THE HISTORY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE COMES ALL THE WAY OUT TO TOCOI. WE ARE PART OF THAT LEGACY . THAT HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT. I WOULD ASK THAT AS YOU MAKE THIS DECISION THAT YOU GIVE IT THE SAME CONSIDERATION AS CONVERTING AND REZONING LAND IN DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE. IT IS PART OF THE HISTORY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> CHRISTINE WILSON 8045 COUNTY ROAD 214. I AM A MOTHER AND NOW A GRANDMOTHER OF A FIFTH GENERATION OF THE FAMILY FARM ON COUNTY ROAD 214. THE PROPOSED LARGE-SCALE WATER LILY WOULD DIRECTLY BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR MAIN PACKING FACILITY AT 214. WE GROW, PACK AND SHIP PRODUCE GOING INTO NATIONAL MARKETS AND CHAIN STORES. ALL FOUR OF OUR LOCATIONS WILL DIRECTLY BE IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MAGNITUDE.

WE WOULD ALSO BE THE FIRST DOMINO TO FALL IRREVOCABLY CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE AND INTEGRITY OF THIS AGRICULTURALLY RICH COMMUNITY ON 214. THIS IS WHERE MULTIGENERATIONAL FARMS PRODUCE ROW CROPS YEAR-ROUND. I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR CONCERNS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY

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THOSE TINY RETENTION PONDS THEY HAVE CAN'T HANDLE THAT. WE HAVE SEEN UP TO 16 INCHES IN TWO-DAYS AS SPAM. HOW WILL THIS AFFECT THE FARMS AND THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE HAVE IN CROPS? WE DO NOT WANT TO BE AN EXPERIMENT FOR WATER LILY. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S EGG DEPUTIES ESCORT FAMILIES DAILY MOVING EQUIPMENT, CLOSING 214 DOWN FOR TRAFFIC ALMOST DAILY FOR OUR SAFETY AND THE COMMUNITY'S SAFETY. AT ANOTHER 6000 COST OF THIS AND WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IN A REPORT THEY GIVE NO REASON -- REGARD TO FARMERS AND EQUIPMENT . LET'S NOT FORGET THE SEMI'S AND TRACTOR-TRAILERS DURING HARVEST AND PLANTING.

THAT IS OUR ACCESS FROM 95. I JUST WANT TO CLOSE THIS. I WANT TO KNOW WHEN IT ENDS, SMALL FAMILY FARMS GETTING PICKED OFF ONE BY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY WE ARE DWINDLING IN STAGGERING NUMBERS. GREED AND OVERPRICED REAL ESTATE IS LITERALLY MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE COMING GENERATIONS TO KEEP GOING.

FARMERS ARE FACING INCREASING CHALLENGES FINANCIALLY AND REGULATORY. COEXISTING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IMPOSSIBLE. 3000 HOMES IN A FARMING COMMUNITY WILL CAUSE EVEN MORE REGULATORY ISSUES FOR US. COMPLAINTS OF SMELL, THE DUST, THE SPRAY OF THE EQUIPMENT, THE HARVEST. ANYBODY WHO LIVES OUT THERE KNOWS IT IS NOT ALL FUN AND GAMES DURING HARVEST. IF YOU TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THIS TODAY I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER TONIGHT WHEN YOU SIT DOWN TO DINNER IN YOUR HOMES WITH YOUR FAMILIES, WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK AGAINST ALL ODDS TO PUT THAT FOOD ON YOUR TABLE? IT ALL STARTS WITH 2%. THAT IS THE NUMBER OF FARMERS. 2% FEEDING 98% OF YOU. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS IN OUR AREA AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO BE CHANGED, JEOPARDIZING NATIONAL RESOURCES.

THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS BEN HOMER. I LIVE AT 161 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH, WHICH IS LESS THAN HALF A MILE FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE RAMPANT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND CONTROLLED AND IT IS NOT JUST STRESSING SCHOOL SYSTEMS, POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS. IT IS CHALLENGING TO GET A TIMELY DENNIS DEPARTMENT OR DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS. THEY POST APOLOGIES IN THEIR OFFICE IF THEY ARE OVERWHELMED BY THE QUANTITY OF PATIENTS. REMEMBER THERE WERE OVER 3000 APPROVED RESIDENCES. I REMEMBER WHEN THIS COUNTY WAS LESS THAN THAT TOTAL. MY WIFE AND I MOVED FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE OVER 32 YEARS AGO TO LIVE ON THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WITH LARGE CULTURAL TRACKS AS A BUFFER. I THINK MOST OF US LIVING OUT HERE EITHER LIVE ALONG THE RIVER OR ARE LIVING ON THEIR FARMLAND. THE ROADS ARE ALREADY VERY BUSY. I'M GOING TO BE VERY SKEPTICAL TO HEAR AN EXPERT TESTIFY OR MODEL PRESENTED THAT PURPORTS AN EXTRA 5000 OR SO CARS WILL NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT. EVEN WITH SOME SERVICES PROVIDED IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, PEOPLE WILL DRIVE TO MARKETS, RESTAURANTS, WORK AND OTHER SERVICES ON THESE RURAL ROADS.

THESE ROADS WERE MADE IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY. THE FARMERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THEIR LARGE EQUIPMENT AND HARVESTED CROPS ON THE ROADS. THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE DOING IMPORTANT WORK. PEOPLE IN A HURRY OFTEN VIEW THEM AS BEING IN THE WAY BUT IT IS JUST AS MUCH THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I AM NOT AWARE OF HOW MUCH THIS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT HAS BEEN PROPERLY STUDIED. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY AND EVEN ALONG THE ST. JOHNS RIVER . THE DISHES FRONTING MUCH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT RUN RIGHT INTO THE RIVER WHICH IS ALREADY FACING MANY CHALLENGES. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE AREA. FOR MILES UP AND DOWN ROUTE 213 AND ON 214 FROM 95 TO 13 THERE IS NOTHING LIKE IT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF EQUESTRIAN DEVELOPMENTS, MUCH BETTER CONCEPT. ALLOWING SOMETHING LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD OPEN THE

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LARRY PETERSON. I WAS BORN IN SAINT AUGUSTINE MORE YEARS AGO THAN I CARE TO ADMIT. I LIVE AT COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH. I PURCHASED MY PROPERTY IN 1990.

WE ARE APPROXIMATELY THREE MILES SOUTH OF THE WATER LILY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE ON OUR COMMUNITY IF YOU GO NORTH TO FIVE MILES SOUTH AND 13, FIVE MILES TO THE EAST ON 214 WITH THE RIVER TO YOUR REQUEST WITHIN THAT FIVE MILE RADIUS THERE ARE 366 HOMES IN A FIVE MILE RADIUS. WITHIN THAT SAME AREA COMMERCIAL PROPERTY CONSISTS OF A JUNKYARD TO THE NORTH, NOTHING TO THE SOUTH AND FEMALE TO THE EAST. RESIDENC AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE SURROUNDED BY TREE FARMS, AND LARGE MULTIGENERATIONAL FAMILY FARMS HIS PRIMARY CROPS ARE POTATOES AND CABBAGE. MY NEXT-DOOR NATION -- NEIGHBOR IS A FIFTH GENERATION FARMER WHO WAS HIGHLIGHTED ON LAST YEAR'S SUPER BOWL. IF WATER LILY IS APPROVED THIS WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS FROM 366 TO 3366, SERIOUSLY CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY. THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD EASILY BE CONSIDERED URBAN SPRAWL AND SPOT ZONING SINCE THE NEAREST DEVELOPMENT SIZE FOR LOTS PER ACRE IS OVER SIX MILES AWAY AS THE CROW FLIES, OVER NINE MILES AWAY WHICH IS MORE REALISTIC, BY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC SINCE THAT IS THE WAY WE ALL MOVE AROUND.

CONSIDERING THE DISTANCE THIS WOULD BE FROM CONTIGUOUS DEVELOPMENTS COMING OUT OF FLUNG WIDE OPEN FOR INFILL OF THE AREA IN BETWEEN MAKING IT MUCH HARDER ON YOU AND THE COMMISSION IS TO DENY IT IN THE FUTURE. WITH AN ADDITIONAL 3000 UNITS COMES ASSOCIATED VEHICULAR TRAFFIC USING THE SAME TRAFFIC STUDY PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONE WITHOUT 24,144 ROSE TRIPS DAILY.

THE WORD GROSS IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE. THOSE TRIPS ARE BASICALLY BEING ADDED TO TWO ROADS IN THE FIRST FOUR MILES OF TRAVEL, EITHER 13 OR 214. IN BOTH DIRECTIONS COUNTY ROAD 13 HAS A 20 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. MULTIPLE FARMS ON BOTH SIDES OF 214, FARM TRAFFIC IS FREQUENT AND OFTEN TIMES TAKES BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD DEPENDING ON THE PLANTING AND HARVESTING SEASON AS WELL AS SEMI TRAFFIC TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH THOSE ROUNDABOUTS TO MOVE THAT PRODUCT OUT . THERE ARE MANY OTHER CONCERNS WITH THIS PROPOSAL BUT DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS I WILL LIMIT MY CONCERNS. WE HOPE YOU TAKE ALL THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION MAKING YOUR DECISION TO DENY THIS REQUEST.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND NOT BEING REDUNDANT WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS I HAVE EDITED WHAT I WAS INTENDING ON SAYING SO IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS JAKE AMOS. I LIVE AT 1350 COUNTY ROAD 15 SOUTH SINCE 1991 . WE ARE ABOUT 2.5 MILES SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED WATER LILY DEVELOPMENT . SOME OF THE THINGS THAT POP OUT TO ME FROM THE STAFF REPORT IS FIRST OFF THERE ARE SEVEN OPEN COMMENTS STILL FROM STAFF, ONE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL, FIVE FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, ONE FROM TRANSPORTATION. SPOKEN ABOUT QUITE A BIT WAS THE BOAT RAMP, WATER FEATURES, PARKING FACILITIES AND ALL OF IT TO BE BUILT BEFORE HOME SALES COMMENTS. BY THE WAY, THAT FACILITY WOULD BE FOR WATER LILY, NOT FOR GENERAL-PURPOSE JOHN Q PUBLIC AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE RIVERDALE BOAT RAMP ABOUT A MILE SOUTH , IT REALLY MAKES NO SENSE NOT TO MENTION I DON'T THINK PARKS AND REX IS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT FIRING -- MAINTAINING A PARKING FACILITY AND A BOAT RAMP . WHEN TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, THERE ARE FOUR ROADWAY SEGMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED AT BUILDOUT FROM A 105 TO 136% AND THOSE FOUR DID NOT INCLUDE COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH OR

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TIMBERLANDS, RESIDENTIAL AND AND DEVELOP PLANS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , 8.1.3.1 ONE PROVIDES THAT WHEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REZONING OR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED, THE COUNTY SHALL NOT MIGHT , ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. COMPATIBILITY MEANS A CONDITION IN WHICH LAND-USE CAN COEXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN STABLE FASHION OVER TIME SUCH THAT NO USE IS UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY THE OTHER USE. I THINK WATER LILY EXHIBITS THAT IT VERY MUCH WOULD IMPACT THIS AREA . AS A SUMMARY, JUST THOUGHT I WOULD LET YOU KNOW MY PERSPECTIVE IS, I WAS A MANAGEMENT URBAN FORESTRY MANAGER AND FIRST ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARBORIST AND WAS PRESENT DURING THE YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW MEETINGS FOR PROJECTS INCLUDING WORLD GULF AND RIVERTOWN. THIS PROPOSED PROJECT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS OF FACT TO APPROVE THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU WEIGH ALL THE TESTIMONY AND THE FACTS, FINDING THAT THIS APPLICATION IS DENIED. LASTLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT JUST TO DESCRIBE. THEY HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE PUD FOR THE SITE.

IT IS ALREADY IN REVIEW AND THERE ARE MANY COMMENTS INCLUDING MORE COMMENTS FROM TRANSPORTATION, PLANNING AND

ZONING ET CETERA. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU.

>> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, I AM RICHARD HARDY 975 CERTAINLY AFFIRM AND AGREE WITH THE SPEAKERS HAVE SAID THEY OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE. IT IS A LEAPFROG TYPE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING COMMENTS THAT THE PRESENTER HAD, SUCH AS THAT THE 1925 PLAT IS RELEVANT. THAT IS ABOUT THE SAME YEAR THAT GRANDVILLE AND THOMAS EDISON WERE SUMMONED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO HELP DEVELOP A WIRED TELEPHONE IN THE UNITED STATES. HOW RELEVANT IS THAT TODAY? THEY ALSO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE FERTILIZER RUNOFF IN FARMS IS MUCH MORE THAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THAT IS THE CONSULTANT'S OPINION. THAT IS NOT BACKED UP BY SCIENCE OR FACT. THEY ALSO MENTIONED GOPHER TORTOISES WILL BE COHABITATING WITH SOME OF THE LESSER DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

PRESERVATION OF MORE THAN 200 EXISTING ACRES OF WETLANDS. BY LAW THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE THOSE OR MITIGATE THEM.

THEY ACT LIKE THEY ARE DOING THE COMMUNITY A FAVOR. THEY ARE NOT.

THE NEXT ITEM, THEY ARE ONLY IMPACTING 3.5 ACRES. THEY DID NOT TALK ABOUT ANY MEDICATION FROM THAT 3.05 ACRES. THEY JUST SAT THERE IMPACTING, MEANING THEY ARE MAKING 3.05 ACRES OF WETLANDS DISAPPEAR. THAT IS NOT HEALTHY FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT.

ANOTHER THING THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT. WITH THE STUDIES THEY HAVE CITED , OUR STATE, COUNTY, AND LOCAL STUDIES, SOME OF THOSE SAME STUDIES HELP DEVELOP WORLD GULF VILLAGE AND STATE ROAD 16 INTERSECTION ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN STATE ROAD 16 SO THOSE RELATIVE STUDIES ARE JUST NOT PRACTICAL TO HAVE AGAIN IN THIS COMMUNITY. AGRICULTURAL LAND IS A FINITE RESOURCE . I ASK YOU NOT TO SUPPORT THIS. AGRICULTURAL LAND NATURALLY ABSORBS RAINWATER, REDUCING THE RISK OF FLOODING AND REPLENISHING OUR GROUNDWATER. INCREASED DEVELOPMENT WOULD RAISE THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND OUR CARBON . I RESPECTFULLY URGE

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YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. MA'AM.

>> I AM CLEOPATRA MARIE 13990 ARCHER PARK BOULEVARD, ST.

JOHN'S. I'M NOT HERE TO BORE YOU WITH THE FACTS. I AM JUST HERE TO GIVE YOU LIKE A YOUNGER GENERATION'S PERSPECTIVE. I MOVED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY ABOUT A YEAR AGO FOR WHAT IT HAS TO OFFER LIKE SHOPPING. I LIKE GOING TO DIFFERENT PLACES. I LIKE THE FACT THAT I CAN WAKE UP EVERY DAY AND CHOOSE SOMETHING NEW TO DO. I AM 23 YEARS OLD AND I WANT TO START A FAMILY SOON.

ST. JOHNS HAS ONE OF THE TOP SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE U.S. SO WHY NOT START A FAMILY HERE. BUT, IN ORDER TO DO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE MY ROOTS AND BUY A HOUSE. HOWEVER , I AS WELL AS THE REST OF MY FELLOW NEW GENERATION OF FOUND IT IMPOSSIBLE IN TODAY'S SOCIETY TO BUY A HOUSE REALLY. IT IS ALMOST UNATTAINABLE WITH THE SKYROCKETING MARKET PRICES .

PRICES OF HOUSING HAVE BEEN BASICALLY UNATTAINABLE FOR YEARS NOW AND SUPPORTING NEW HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY WILL HELP TO LOWER THOSE PRICES FOR ME AND OTHER PEOPLE OF MY GENERATION.

BUILDING THESE HOMES DIRECTLY HELPS THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND IN THAT WAY . THE EVER-GROWING POPULATION OF SAINT AUGUSTINE NEEDS NEW COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS TO SPREAD OUT THE CONGESTION OF BUSY, SURROUNDING TOWNS RELIEVING POPULATION GROWTH.

PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF NEED HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE AND AVAILABLE SO LET'S GIVE THEM THE HOMES. THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS BRAD FEELEY. I LIVE AT 1781 HICKORY LANE APPROXIMATELY THREE MILES FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT. THE SUBDIVISION PLOTTED IN 1925 INCLUDE SOME OF THE LAND IN THE PROPOSED PROJECT. THE PROPOSAL STATES THAT THIS PROJECT IS SIMPLY A CONTINUATION OF THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF LAND PURPOSES FOR THE AREA. IT IS THE FOUNDATION ON WHICH THE PROJECT IS BEING PROPOSED BUT HISTORY INDICATES OTHERWISE. TOCOI WAS ESTABLISHED AS A TRANSPORTATION SETTLEMENT MANY YEARS BEFORE AND IN 1862 IT WAS DESTROYED BY INDIAN TROOPS THEN IN A FEW YEARS IT BECAME A GHOST TOWN. OVER 60 YEARS LATER, THE MICHIGAN FLORIDA LAND COMPANY WAS INCORPORATED IN MICHIGAN ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, 1925 TO HAVE OPERATIONS IN FLORIDA. I ASK, WHY SHOULD MICHIGAN DEVELOPERS WHO ARE 1200 MILES AWAY DICTATE LAND-USE IN FLORIDA? THE INCORPORATION DATE WAS FOUR MONTHS AFTER THE INITIAL PLAT DATE IN 1925. THE PLAT WAS INITIALLY RECORDED FOR A COMPANY THAT DID NOT EVEN EXIST FOR FOUR MONTHS AFTER THE PLAT WAS RECORDED. THAT SUGGESTS THAT DECEIT, POSSIBLY FRAUD, AND SHOULD RENDER THE PLAT INVALID.

IT WAS LATER AMENDED BUT THE DECEIT HAD ALREADY OCCURRED.

1925 MICHIGAN INVESTORS' INTEREST DO NOT REPRESENT LOCAL NEED. THAT IS WHY THESE LOTS WERE NEVER DEVELOPED AND THE CORPORATION DISSOLVED. 11 YEARS LATER IN 1936. THE APPLICANT STATES THE PROJECT DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO URBAN SPRAWL OR LEAPFROGGING. THEIR ARGUMENTS ARE BASED ON THE FAULTY LOGIC OF A PLAT THAT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED. THIS AREA HAS NOT BEEN CONTEMPLATED FOR DEVELOPMENT SINCE 1925 AS EVIDENCED BY THE ABANDONMENT 90 YEARS AGO. FURTHER, TRAIL MARK AND SILVERLEAF ARE BOTH OVER 10 MILES AWAY . IN BETWEEN IS JUST RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL. THIS IS LEAPFROGGING AT ITS WORST. NO ADVERSE EFFECTS ON NATURAL RESOURCES? THE WETLANDS ARE NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT HIGH COST , NOT ALTRUISTIC REASONS.

THE ROAD IN THAT AREA IS UNDERWATER SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR.

THERE IS NO MENTION OF PAYING FOR RAISING THAT ROAD SEVERAL MILES. PROMOTE SELF COST-EFFECTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH DONATION OF LAND FOR A FIRE STATION. THE COST OF LAND WAS LESS THAN 15,000 ACRE, NOT MUCH OF A DONATION IF YOU ASK ME. TAXPAYERS WILL BE PAYING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND ONGOING STAFF. YOU'RE GOING TO PROMOTE CONSERVATION AND THAT MINIMIZING FERTILIZER RUNOFF. ANY EXISTING FERTILIZER IS CURRENTLY BEING ABSORBED BY THE LAND JUST LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR 75 YEARS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER 12,000 ACRES OF FARMLAND CURRENTLY IN THE AREA.

1925 ACTIVITIES BY MICHIGAN AND CORPORATION DO NOT REPRESENT OUR RESIDENCE TODAY. OUR LAND DECISIONS SHOULD BE DICTATED BY THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS AND NOT NEEDS LONG AGO. ASK YOU TO VOTE NO. PUT THIS PROJECT BACK WHERE IT BELONGS, IN 1925.

>> MY NAME IS PENNY FEELEY. I LIVE AT 1781 HICKORY LANE . I AM

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I'M GOING OUT FEET FIRST NEXT TIME. SOME ISSUES THAT CONCERN ME AS A HEALTHCARE PROVIDER IN THIS COMMUNITY AS WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT IN OUR AREA AND I SPOKE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE GENTLEMAN AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TOLD ME THE IMPACT OF 3000 HOMES SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR PEOPLE OVER 55 YEARS OLD, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT POPULATION OF PEOPLE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE RESCUE CALLS BECAUSE OF HEART DISEASE, STROKE, FALLS -- FORGET THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO JUST HAD CATARACT SURGERY. I DON'T DRIVE AT NIGHT. IT IS VERY DARK OUT THERE AT NIGHT. IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH OLDER PEOPLE DRIVING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD AND I WAS TOLD THE FIRE STATION IN THIS AREA WAS GOING TO COST BETWEEN SIX AND $8 MILLION. THE NEWEST ONE BUILT WAS 4.1 MILLION A FEW YEARS AGO . GUYS AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT I TALKED TO YESTERDAY SAID IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. NEVER AGAIN WILL BE $8 MILLION AND THEN TO FIND SOMEBODY TO STAFF IT IS HARD.

I'M CONCERNED THE IMPACT OF THE EVACUATION ROUTES. WHEN I CALLED THE EVACUATION ROUTE PEOPLE THEY SAID THEY EVACUATED THERE ON 13 AND 214 ONCE IN 2022 TO TALK TO MY NEIGHBOR, LARRY, AND HE EVACUATED IN 2023. HE LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.

HE WORKS AT BAPTIST SOUTH. IT IS A 31 MILE TRIP. IT TOOK HIM SIX HOURS TO GET THERE DURING AN EVACUATION AND NORMALLY IT SHOULD TAKE 38 MINUTES. YOU PUT 3000+ NEW PEOPLE WITH PROBLEMS WITH VISION OR WHATEVER ON THAT KIND OF EVACUATION ROUTE, IT COULD BE A COMPLETE DISASTER, COMPLETE DISASTER AND I'VE BEEN A FIRST RESPONDER BEFORE AND I KNOW WITH TRYING TO GET ELDERLY PEOPLE OUT AND MOVED ON THEY DON'T JUST GO WHEN YOU SAY EVACUATE. THEY WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE. THEY DON'T MOVE AND THEY ARE TOLD TO GO SO CONSIDER WHAT THE EVACUATION PEOPLE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TOLD ME. I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE I WAS GOING TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN OF BUT I ASK YOU PLEASE DON'T RUIN THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY. I CALLED A LOT OF THE FARMERS. THEY CANNOT EVEN LEAVE TO COME TO THE MEETING TODAY BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT IN THE FARMS WORKING AND I PASS THEM AND AWAY FROM GOD BLESS THEM EVERY TIME THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY ARE PROVIDING LAND AND FOOD FOR ALL OF US SO DON'T

GET RID OF THIS COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU.

>> JOAN MCINERNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE AND I AM HERE TODAY REPRESENTING THE WILLIAM BARR TREND HISTORICAL AND SCENIC HIGHWAY AND AS A GROUP, WE OPPOSE THE WATER LILY PROJECT.

SO, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? FIRST OF ALL, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS THE ONLY COUNTY IN FLORIDA WITH THREE SCENIC HIGHWAYS. U.S. A LETTER ONE -- A 1 A . IT COULD BE SCENIC FROM OCEANS OR TO THE RIVERS EDGE. WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTY THAT CAN SAY THAT. WHAT IS DONE FOR ONE IS DONE FOR ALSO WE ARE LOOKING TODAY AT COUNTY ROAD -- SCENIC COUNTY ROAD 13 BUT WHAT IS DONE FOR ONE IS DONE FOR ALL. WHAT WILL WATER LILY DO AGAINST SCENIC COUNTY ROAD 13? FIRST OF ALL LOOK AT THE APPLICANT'S ANSWER ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE IT IS, THEY ARE GOING TO USE COUNTY ROAD 13 SO THIS IS DATA FROM OUR COUNTY'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THANK YOU, JAN, FOR THIS. LOOK AT THIS. CURRENTLY THE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT IS 715 . THAT IS GOING TO GROW TO 3432 .

THAT IS 480% INCREASE IN DAILY TRAFFIC. YOU HAVE ONLY TO LOOK AT B1 .6 .16 AND I HAVE PARAPHRASED HERE, THE COUNTY SHALL PROTECT COUNTY ROAD 13 IS A UNIQUE ROADWAY AND SEEK TO AVOID NEGATIVE IMPACTS. YOU CAN LOOK AT A .1 .3 .11 WHICH TALKS ABOUT MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTS ANY. FOR MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THIS ALREADY. THE QUESTION IS FINALLY LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE. LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE BEAUTIFUL AND ASK YOURSELF DESPITE 480% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC

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>> REBECCA JONES, 355 SOUTH BARBER RIDGE ROAD. I GET UP HERE AND I'M GOING TO BE SHORT AND SWEET BECAUSE WE ARE A THIRD-GENERATION FARM AND I JUST SAW I GUESS THAT ROUNDABOUT, SO WE ARE NEIGHBORS TO WATER LILY AND I DON'T WANT THE GENERATIONS TO KNOW THAT I DIDN'T SPEAK UP HERE TO TALK SO I'M SORRY FOR BEING EMOTIONAL. OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN CONTRACTED WITH FRITO LAY FOR OVER 60 YEARS AND PRODUCES GREEN BEANS FOR OUR SOUTH FLORIDA MARKETS FOR OVER 10 YEARS. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OUR FAMILY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO FARM IF THIS PROPOSAL IS APPROVED. CRAMMING THAT MANY HOMES IN THAT AMOUNT OF LAND IN THAT LOCATION IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE LOCAL FARMERS, CREATING UNFORESEEN TRAFFIC FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CONCEPT OF FUNCTIONAL FARMING. IT IS NOT FAIR TO THEM AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO US. THERE ARE SENIORS THAT MAY COME OUT THERE TO BUY BUT MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE FROM UP NORTH BECAUSE THOSE PROPOSED HOMES ARE GOING TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE ANYWAY. THERE ARE BETTER WAYS , EVEN THOUGH YOU WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO WEST SAINT AUGUSTINE, THERE IS BETTER WAYS TO DO IT, TO OFFER LAND, LAND WITH SPACE THAT FIT OUR POPULATION. WE ARE NOT AGAINST SUBDIVISIONS. WE ARE AGAINST THE MASSIVE MESS OF ALL OF THESE PROPOSALS ON TOP OF TRYING TO RUN BUSINESSES AND TRYING TO LIVE OUT WHERE WE LIVE AND FARM WHERE WE FARM AND HAVING TO TAKE OFF WORK TO FIGHT IS EXHAUSTING. ON TOP OF TRYING TO FARM AND BE PRODUCTIVE FARMING. IT IS SO HARD ON OUR FAMILIES TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS. IT IS WITH THE MOST GIVING HEART THAT I BEG OF YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS PROPOSAL AND I APPRECIATE

THE TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> BRIAN JONES. MY HOME IS 1025 MEADOW VIEW BUT I LIVE AT 7399 ATLANTIC AS A THIRD-GENERATION POTATO FARMER. MY GRANDFATHER AND HIS BROTHER STARTED THE FARM IN THE 50S IN MANDARIN AND MOVED DOWN TO WHERE WE ARE NOW IN THE EARLY 60S. MY GRANDFATHER ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT THE FARM WOULD ALWAYS BE THERE. FOR ME ONE DAY FOR MY CHILDREN, MY CHILDREN'S CHILDREN, SO ON. OVER 30 YEARS AGO I USED TO DRIVE A TRACTOR FROM OUR HOME FARM NOW TO 16 .

TODAY, I CAN'T TRAVEL FOUR MILES WITHOUT HAVING A WONDERFUL ST. JOHN'S COUNTY DEPUTY BECAUSE OF ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WE RUN INTO. THAT WE ENCOUNTER. SO, I FARM ALL AROUND IT . I ACTUALLY FARM WHERE WATER LILY IS PROPOSED. THE AUDACITY OF ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP TO SAY THAT FARMERS ARE RELEASING 50,000 POUNDS OF NITROGEN ON THAT LAND IS COMICAL. THE AUDACITY OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP TO CLAIM THAT 17,000 POUNDS OF PHOSPHORUS WILL LEAVE THAT LAND IS BEYOND COMICAL . OUR BMPS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR SURPASSING OUR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. I AM PART OF IT. THERE IS A FAMILY RIGHT HERE THAT IS PART OF IT. THERE IS ANOTHER FAMILY THAT IS PART OF IT BECAUSE WE FIGHT EVERY DAY TO TAKE CARE OF THE LAND THAT PROVIDES OUR LIVELIHOOD, THAT PUTS FOOD ON YOUR TABLE. THE AUDACITY OF SOMEBODY FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY PROPOSING AND ADVOCATING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT INFURIATES ME. THE FACT THAT

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I BEG YOU TO DENY THIS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. AM.

>> HI, ELENA COCHRAN. I AM AT 13900 COUNTY ROAD 13 NORTH. MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE PROPOSED PROPERTY. WE HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR PROPERTY IS WHAT YOU GUYS SAY IS GOING TO BE PRESERVED WOODLANDS , A SMALL SECTION OF THAT . IS THAT GUARANTEED? HOW LONG IS THAT GUARANTEED? LIKE, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? WE MOVED OUT THERE AND DID CONSTRUCTION ON THE HOUSE AND WERE JUST FINISHING IT WHEN WE SAW SOMEBODY DIGGING IN OUR BACKYARD. WE WENT OUT AND SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON OUR PROPERTY AND HE SAID , OH, THE PROPERTY BEHIND YOU JUST SOLD AND I AM DIGGING UP THE STONE BACK HERE TO PROVE WHERE THE LINE IS. AND, WE SAID OKAY WELL, WHO BOUGHT IT AND HE SAID I DON'T KNOW, SOME CHINESE COMPANY. THEY ARE PUTTING IN THOUSANDS OF HOUSES. AND, OUR RETIREMENT JUST LEFT. LIKE, WE WERE DISGUSTED LIKE WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY NOW THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO RETIRE IN AND LEAVE TO OUR GRANDKIDS SOMEDAY? AND, IT IS ALL GOING TO BE RUINED WITH THIS. I MEAN, I AM AN OHIO FARMER AND THAT IS HOW I GREW UP SO WHEN I AM OUT THERE I FEEL LIKE I AM HOME AGAIN SO THE CLOSEST THING WE CAN DO TO BE AT HOME. ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO KNOW IS, MY HUSBAND IS A BIG FISHERMAN. OUR DOCK IS ON THE WATER RIGHT THERE. THIS BOAT RAMP THAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO DREDGE FOR THAT? THE TOCOI CREEK IS REALLY GOING TO SUFFER. THE FISH AND WILDLIFE JUST PUT IN NEW ECOSYSTEMS. THEY PUT IN A COUPLE FISHERIES AND SOME PROTECTED LAMPS FOR THE WILDLIFE FOR A HATCHERY SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE AFFECTED WITH THAT? IF THE DREDGING HAPPENS THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE WHOLE RIVERFRONT AND , YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR HOUSES. AND BEFORE YOU PUT A BUNCH OF 55+ COMMUNITY AND THERE, I DARE YOU TO GO OUT THERE IN JULY AND STAND THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT NATS ARE, YOU WILL KNOW IN ABOUT THREE SECONDS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STAND STILL. MY NEIGHBOR HAS HAD THREE YOUR SURGERIES BECAUSE OF NATS GETTING IN HER EARS. IT IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. IF YOU ARE NOT A FARMER, YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO BE THERE. SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD MY NEIGHBOR HAS HAD THREE YOUR SURGERIES BECAUSE OF GNATS GETTING IN HER EARS. WITH THE AREA. MY NEIGHBOR TOLD ME THERE IS A HISTORICAL MONUMENT AT 214 AND 13 C THAT THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BUT WHAT IS THAT PROPERTY? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO

DO WITH IT? >> JENNIFER SCOTT 6155 HASTINGS.

FOR NOW MY MOM IS ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBOR SHE JUST SPOKE ABOUT SO THEIR PROPERTY BACKS UP TO WATER LILY AND MY SISTER IS THE OTHER ONE UP HERE SPEAKING A MINUTE AGO SO IT IS HER HUSBAND AND HER AND THEIR FAMILY'S FARM. I REALLY DID NOT PLAN ON SPEAKING.

I JUST CAME TO SIT WITH HER IN THE AUDIENCE AND BE SUPPORTIVE AND AS I SIT HERE I STARTED THINKING, I HOMESCHOOL MY SIX KIDS IN HASTINGS AND MY SISTER AND I WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY AND MY 15-YEAR-OLD THOUGHT THAT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING SO HE SAT DOWN AS A HOMESCHOOLER AND JUST STARTED THINKING YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE GOOD SIDE OF THIS, TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE OTHER SIDE. THAT IS NOT WHAT HE CAME UP WITH SO I REALLY JUST WANTED TO SHARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OR REASON TO DENY THIS THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S SHARED SO FAR. HE SAT DOWN AND HE SAID MOM, DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS ABOUT 1.9 BILLION ACRES OF LAND IN THE UNITED STATES AND ABOUT 13% OF THAT, ABOUT 215 MILLION ACRES IS

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IT IS DIVIDED. IF WE WERE TO DIVIDE THE REMAINING LAND AMONG APPROXIMATELY 4.5 MILLION AMERICAN CITIZENS, EACH PERSON , NOT EACH FAMILY, BUT EACH PERSON WOULD GET AROUND 360 ACRES OF LAND TO LIVE ON OR WHATEVER. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT HOW WE WORK AND I EXPLAINED THAT BUT IT REALLY PUT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF HOW MANY ACRES, HOW MUCH LAND WE HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES AND WHY DO WE NEED TO STUFF IT ALL INTO ONE LITTLE SPOT? I GREW UP IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE RAISING MY KIDS HERE AND ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH HOW MANY THINGS WE HAVE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER PLACES TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS TAKING OVER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, OR FARMLANDS, OUR FOOD AND OUR BEAUTIFUL EVERY BIT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HAS BEEN FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE SO I HOPE YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MY 15-YEAR-OLD AND

THANK YOU GUYS. >> THANK YOU.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS ELLIOTT MAR. 6520 URGENT GRANT CIRCLE. I WAS BORN IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA AND ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO THE FAMILY HAD TO MOVE TO FLORIDA JUST BECAUSE OF THE RISING COST OF HOUSING AND RIGHT NOW I THINK FLORIDA IS ON ITS WAY THERE. RIGHT NOW FLORIDA IS HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE PER COST OF LIVING . I WORK IN A RESTAURANT MANY PEOPLE IN THAT RESTAURANT. THE MAIN CONCERN AMONG THEM IS OVERPOPULATION OF THE AREA AND RISING COSTS. AS FLORIDIANS WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FLOWING INTO THE STATE. WHAT WE CAN TRY TO CONTROL IS THE COST OF HOUSING AS DEMAND IS VERY HIGH. BUILDING MORE HOMES HELPS SOLVE THAT .

THAT'S ALL. THANKS. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES. ABOUT A YEAR AGO THERE WAS A PLAN , HONEY BRANCH FARMS WAS EASILY APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL OR EXCUSE ME, THE COMMITTEE , TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT ON ACTIVE FARM USE . COUNTY ROAD 208 AND ASHTON . NOW IT IS BEING PLOWED AND THEY ARE GOING TO START PUTTING HOUSES BACK THERE ON WHAT WAS THE ACTIVE FARM. THIS RIGHT HERE IS DOWN IN THE LOWER CORNER BUT IF THIS IS A PLAN TO PUT ACTIVE OR TAKE ACTIVE FARMING AND TURN IT INTO A PUD , THIS HAPPENED ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER THERE WHERE ROBISON PUD WAS, BUT THAT WAS TIMBER FARMING. THIS IS ACTIVE FARMING. THE PLANS FOR HAVING COUNTY ROAD 2209 SHIFTED SLIGHTLY TO GO MORE CENTER OF THE SOUTHERN PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY . IT'S GOING TO STEM OFF OF THAT. SO, IF THIS IS ONE THING THAT IS LOOKING LIKE WATER LILY COMING IN AND TRYING TO PUT THIS WAY DOWN SOUTH IN THE LOWER CORNER , ONCE THE COMP PLAN GETS AMENDED AND IS BEING HEAVILY SOUGHT AFTER WITH THE DEVELOPERS WHO WILL BRING UP AND IN MORE DEVELOPMENT , THIS IS JUST A SMALL PIECE OF IT RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS JUST LIKE STOKING THE FIRE TO SEE WHERE IT IS GOING TO GO BUT THE ACTIONS OF GETTING 2209 SLIGHTLY SHIFTED , GETTING IT MORE PUBLIC AREA, MORE CENTER TO PUT OUT MORE DEVELOPMENTS AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR THE WATER LILY IN YOUR AREA BY ALL MEANS, IT'S GOING TO EXPAND, YOU KNOW . ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS GOING TO EXPAND AND THIS IS GREAT TO HAVE THE BACKING OF THIS WATER LILY BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE BIG PLAN. 208

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THE COMMISSION WHO HAPPILY APPROVED THE HONEY BRANCH FARMS HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT BUT LIKE I SAID THE COMP PLAN IS CHANGING AND THE DEVELOPERS WANTED THEIR WAY . THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. AND SLAVEN BOX 804 . THEY'RE NOT EVEN DEVELOPERS.

THEY ARE SPECULATORS AND ONE OF THE FELLOWS ONCE SAID HE'S GOING TO PLANT YANKEES. THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN. THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE. THEY DIDN'T PRESENT ANY SWORN TESTIMONY FROM ANYBODY AND YOU CAN DISCREDIT ANYTHING THAT THEY SAID. PEOPLE CAME UP. SPOKE FOR THE DEVELOPER BUT THEY WERE NOT SWORN IN. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO LEFT UNDER THE FIRST AND NINTH AMENDMENT. I'M GLAD WE DO, WE STILL HAVE RIGHTS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LIST PLEASE, MA'AM AND GENTLEMEN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, OF EVERY SINGLE BENEFICIAL OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, EVERY PERSON WHO STANDS TO BENEFIT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. I ALSO WANT TO OBJECT IN ADVANCE TO LEARNED COUNSEL FOR DOING WHAT IS CALLED SANDBAGGING. HE TOLD YOU ALL EARLIER IN THIS HEARING THAT HE WAS GOING TO PRESENT EVIDENCE IN SO-CALLED REBUTTAL THAT HE SHOULD'VE PRESENTED IN HIS CASE IN CHIEF. IF THAT HAPPENS, DON'T LISTEN. AS MASON SAID TO DIXON WE'VE GOT TO DRAW A LINE SOMEWHERE FOLKS. THIS IS WRONG AND LET ME TALK ABOUT THE FUNGICIDES AND INSECTICIDES, RODENTICIDE'S AND FERTILIZERS . IF YOU BUILD HOUSES HERE PEOPLE'S GRANDBABIES WILL BE PLAYING IN THE DIRT AND THEY WILL BE PLAYING IN THE DIRT LIKE KIDS DO SO WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT AND LET ME REFER TO THE PONCE DE LEON GOLF COURSE WHICH WAS CARVED UP FOR HOUSING AND THEY GOT A TAX EXPENDITURE SUBSIDY . THE PEOPLE WHO DID THAT TO OUR BELOVED PONCE DE LEON GOLF COURSE GOT SUBSIDIZED BY THE PEOPLE OF FLORIDA. WILL MR. BURNETT AND THE SPECULATORS STAY -- SAY ON THE RECORD WHETHER OR NOT THEY PLAN TO SEEK FLORIDA BROWNFIELD TAX SUBSIDIES IF THEY GET THIS? I DON'T THINK THEY THERE . IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE AND SEVERAL OF THE FARMERS TALKED ABOUT IT.

WHEN I GO TO PUBLIX AND I BUY SOMETHING THAT IS FROM OVERSEAS I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF PESTICIDES ARE IN IT AND ONCE UPON A TIME I WAS A PARALEGAL IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND ONE OF THE CLIENTS OF THE FIRM WAS THE FLORIDA TOMATO GROWERS EXCHANGE AND THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF PESTICIDES AND CONTAMINANTS IN IMPORTED FOOD. WE CAN REGULATE PESTICIDES HERE AND CONTENT BUT IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE, OUTSOURCING OUR AGRICULTURE AND I WANT TO THANK JESSE, KYLE, DIANA AND ALL THE OTHER WITNESSES . I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS HEADING . LET ME JUST QUOTE WHAT GOVERNOR RUBEN ASK YOU ONCE SAID YEARS AGO TO MY FRIEND, HENRY DANE, WHEN HENRY WAS THE IDAHO GRASSHOPPER AND HE SAID IF YOU GOT THE VOTES , SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. AND I'M FIXING TO BUT I WANT TO THANK THIS BOARD UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP FOR BEING MUCH MORE COURTEOUS THAN THE LAST TIME I EVER ATTENDED ONE OF ÚTHESE MEETINGS IN THE PZA , 136 DAYS AGO. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK THE PARTICIPANTS.

>> THANK YOU. >> HI. MY NAME IS HENRY. I LIVE AT 132 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER , JUST ABOUT THROW A ROCK TO THAT PLACE. I GREW UP NORTH SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE, SERVED IN THE NAVY A WHILE. WHEN I CAME BACK TO FLORIDA, I MOVED AND BUILT A HOUSE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTER OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I HAD NO INTENTION TO SPEAK BUT AFTER LISTENING TO THIS , I JUST HAD TO COME UP AND SAY, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE CHARACTER OF THESE PEOPLE . WHAT DID THEY START -- THEY FIRST CAME UP HERE THEY HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO LINE UP THEIR TEAM. THEY FIRST CAME UP HERE AND SAID OH, WE CAN'T GET SOME OF OUR PEOPLE IN TODAY. THEY WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND SAY, WE WANTED TO WASTE YOUR TIME. WE WANTED TO WASTE THE TIME OF THE HARD-WORKING PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT IS THEIR CHARACTER. MR. CHUCK POINTED OUT, THEY DID NOT

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IS THIS THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE WANT BREAKING INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY? THEY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER A PLAT THAT WAS LAID OUT IN 1925, 100 YEARS AGO. 100 YEARS AGO YOU WOULD NOT BE UP THERE. 100 YEARS AGO YOU WOULD NOT BE UP THERE. IS THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE WE WANT TO BRING IN TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY? IS THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE WE WANT DEVELOPING ST.

JOHNS COUNTY? I THINK THE WHOLE THING SHOULD'VE BEEN THROWN OUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN THEY DECIDED TO COME UP HERE AND SAY OOPS, WE JUST WANTED TO WASTE YOUR TIME TODAY BECAUSE WE COULD NOT GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. YOU KNOW THEY HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL PEOPLE HERE. WHY WEREN'T THEY HERE? BECAUSE, IT WAS THE PLAN UNDER THEIR CHARACTER TO KILL THIS TODAY SO THESE HARD-WORKING PEOPLE MIGHT NOT COME UP NEXT TIME. THAT IS THE CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO DEVELOP AND THEY NEED TO BE THROWN OUT. THANK YOU. GHT, THANK YOU. WE A GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK INTO ORDER. MR. BURNETT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND REBUT PLEASE?

>> THANK YOU, MEMBERS. LET ME SKIP FORWARD TO THE RIGHT SLIDE.

SOMEHOW OR OTHER MY NUMBERING -- I THINK MAYBE I'M GOING TOO FAST. LET ME ASK RAJ TO JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT WE GET THE POWERPOINT CAUGHT UP. I THINK I WANT TO GET TO SLIDE 80 OR 81.

WHAT YOU SPEAK TO THE ROUNDABOUT ISSUE IN TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAY?

>> SURE. >> WITH REGARD TO THE FARM EQUIPMENT AND THE CONCERNS WE HAD WITH REGARDS TO NAVIGATING THE ROUNDABOUT, I DON'T NOW IF YOU NOTICED OR NOT, THAT ROUNDABOUT WAS GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE LANES WITHIN THE ROUNDABOUT, JUST NOT A SINGLE LANE. IT MIGHT BE JUST CONCEPTUAL AT THIS TIME BUT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CONSIDERATION THOSE WILL BE DESIGNED TO THE STANDARDS FOR LARGE VEHICLES CAN BE ACCOMMODATED SO THE ROUNDABOUT IS CONTEMPLATED TO HAVE MULTIPLE LANES SO THE COUNT -- FARM EQUIPMENT WILL BE ABLE TO COMFORTABLY NAVIGATE THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT. THAT'S NOT A BIG CONCERN IN MY OPINION BUT I KNOW IT'S JUST A CONCEPT BUT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL DESIGN WE WILL HAVE TO RUN THOSE

NUMBERS, AS WELL. >> AND, WE CAN MAKE THAT COMMITMENT EASY ENOUGH, THAT WE WOULD OVERSIZE THE ROUNDABOUT SO THAT IS ONE VERY EASILY W CAN WORK THROUGH NOW -- BETWEEN NOW AND THE BCC AND CONTINUE ONE FROM THERE. THANK YOU, RAJ. IF I COULD GO AHEAD AND ASK JENNY URCAN TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THOSE STORMWATER DRAINAGE ISSUES.

>> SURE. PROBABLY MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE BUT WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH EXTENSIVE PERMITTING ONCE WE GET PAST THIS ENTITLEMENT STAGE. ONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT WILL GO TO ST.

JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AS PART OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS . WE MUST MEET WAS CALLED THE PRE-AND POST-DEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE RATES AND THAT IS FOR YOUR STORMWATER RUNOFF SO ESSENTIALLY, STORMWATER PONDS THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT FLORIDA ARE THERE IN ORDER TO NOT ONLY TREAT THIS RUNOFF FROM DEVELOPMENTS, BUT ALSO TO ATTENUATE, WHICH MEANS TO HOLD THE WATER BACK AND IT IS RELEASED AT A CERTAIN RATE, SO THEY LOOK AT RUNOFF FROM WHAT IS NOW PRIMARILY FARMLAND AND THEN

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>> THANK YOU. >> AND PROCEDURAL MATTER I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON BEFORE I GO THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE ISSUE OF THE PUD TIMING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT WHEN WE FILED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, WE DID NOT PRESUME ANYTHING BY FILING THE PUD REZONING. IT IS ACTUALLY TO THE CONTRARY. WHAT HAPPENS EVERY TIME I HAVE EVER FILED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT IS LARGE-SCALE, THE COMMENTS COME FROM COUNTY STAFF OF, WHERE IS YOUR COMPANION PUD? SO YOU RESPOND TO COMMENTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COMMENT COMES BACK FROM COUNTY STAFF THAT SAYS YOU HAVE NOT FILED A COMPANION PUD. WE RECOMMEND YOU FILE A COMPANION PUD SO THAT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO HEAR YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE FILED YOUR COMPANION PUD. IT IS NOTHING PRESUMED BY OUR SIDE. IT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING GENERATED FROM STAFF IN THE COMMENTS THAT THEY GIVE US . A FEW THINGS TO TOUCH ON RELATED TO BENEFITS OF THE WATER LILY PROJECT AND WHEN I SPEAK TO THOSE I ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY AND LOOKED AT NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY AND I KNEW THIS TO BE TRUE BUT I WAS GOING THROUGH AND I CAN CITE EXAMPLES BUT YOU HAVE NUMEROUS PROJECTS WHERE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS WERE APPROVED AND I THINK I AM ACCURATE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD BE LARGE-SCALE WOULD'VE BEEN OUTSIDE OF DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES.

THAT IS JUST WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN OUR COUNTY AS FAR AS I CAN RECALL. BENEFITS OF WATER LILY YOU KNOW, IT IS CURRENTLY THIS AREA AS WE TOUCHED ON HIS OUTSIDE A FIVE MILE DISTANCE OF A FIRE STATION AND THEREFORE HAS A HIGHER ISO RATING AS THE FIRE MARSHAL CONFIRMED, AND SO THE POTENTIAL FOR HAVING SERVICES WITHIN FIVE MILES WOULD PROVE TO HAVE AN INSURANCE BENEFIT AND OBVIOUSLY INCREASES LIFE SAFETY BEYOND JUST INSURANCE RATES. WE ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT ON-SITE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES. ONE, DOES MAYBE OUR SITE IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH. THAT IS THE KIND OF THING YOU LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE WILL GO BACK AND CONFIRM THAT AND LOOK AT IT. IF THE SITE IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES AND INSTEAD OF SIX ACRES IT NEEDS TO BE LARGER, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE AND HAVE THE LAND AVAILABLE TO DO SO, SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS COVERED AND WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING. PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS OBVIOUSLY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE INTERNAL TO THE PROJECT. AND SO, YOU HAVE FACILITIES THAT ARE INTERNAL TO THE PROJECT TO ACCOMMODATE THE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY, SOME OF THOSE THINGS I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER OBVIOUSLY WALKING PATHS, BICYCLE PATHS AND GOLF CART PATHS FOR LOW-SPEED VEHICLE TRANSPORTATION IN GENERAL TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE PROJECT. IT REALLY YIELDS I THINK THE NUMBERS ONLY $4 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES ALREADY PAID TO THE COUNTY THAT COULD BE USABLE ELSEWHERE. SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS WILL BE PRESERVED, MORE THAN 250 ACRES OF WETLANDS WITH ONLY ROUGHLY 3 1/2 ACRES OF IMPACT SHOWS THAT YOU KNOW, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PRESERVATION'S OF WETLANDS. MAKING IT AGE RESTRICTED AND HAVING AN AGE COMPONENT INTERNAL TO THE

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WE BELIEVE THAT WILL THEN GIVE RESIDENTS THE NECESSAR IT WILL CREATE JOB OPPORTUNITIES WITH THAT LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL . THERE WILL BE A RIVERFRONT AREA FOR PUBLIC PARK USE AND IT IS KIND OF TWOFOLD. IT IS MORE THAN THE AREA WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A BOAT RAMP AND A PARK. HE WOULD ALSO HAVE LAND ON THE OUTSIDE OF 13 FOR BOAT PARKING SO YOU CAN PARK YOUR TRAILER AND YOUR TRUCK AND WHATNOT WHEN YOU GO TO THE BOAT RAMP SO THERE IS PARKING THERE FOR BOAT TRAILERS AND VEHICLES. THE OTHER THING WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT, AND AS RAJ WENT THROUGH IN DETAIL, THERE IS NO IMPACT WITHIN FOUR MILES. THERE IS NO IMPACT WITHIN 10 LINEAR MILES. YOU HAVE TO GET OUTSIDE OF THE 10 LINEAR MILE DISTANCE BEFORE YOU START GETTING IMPACTS ON ROADWAYS AS THE COUNTY MEASURES THE IMPACTS. NOT SOMETHING WE CAME UP WITH. IT IS THE SYSTEM LOOKING AT THE DATA AND HOW THE COUNTY MEASURES IMPACTS AND SO WE THINK THAT WILL ACTUALLY GENERATE REVENUE FROM THE PROJECT THAT COULD BE USED FOR IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, COMPATIBILITY WE JUST LOOK AT THE ISSUE TOOK AWAY A PLAT THAT IS BEEN THERE IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLAT AND HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN THERE. WE LOOK AT WATER LILY IS LESS THAN THE DENSITY THAT THE TAKEAWAY WAS AND WATER LILY IS LARGELY SEPARATED FROM THE LANDS. WE ARE SEPARATED TO THE SOUTH BY 214 AND TO GIVE THE EAST AND FOR A LARGE PART, THE NORTH, BY 13 AND OUR INTERNAL WETLAND AREA OTHER THAN THE BURRELL PROPERTY. AGAIN, WE ARE CREATING A TOWN CENTER. WITH COMPLEMENTARY AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT WILL PROVIDE USES AVAILABLE TO THOSE RESIDENTS IN OUR AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY. IT REALLY MINIMIZES THE IMPACT TO THE EXISTING URBAN FRAMEWORK.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WOULD WE PUT THIS ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY, WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT AGE RESTRICTED IN THIS AREA CREATES A DESTINATION IN AND OF ITSELF AND POLLS FROM THE URBAN AREAS OF THE COUNTY , THE CITY METRO AREA, IF YOU WILL, AND GIVES PEOPLE A PLACE TO AGE IN PLACE IN OUR COUNTY, THEREBY OPENING UP HOMES WITHIN THE URBAN AREAS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE CITY FOR EXAMPLE OR EMPLOYERS ON STATE ROAD 16 AND 95 WAREHOUSING WILL BE AVAILABLE TO WORKERS. SKIP THROUGH HERE. OBVIOUSLY NO BURDEN TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. THE PROJECT WILL BE CATERING SPECIFICALLY TO RETIREES IN THAT SELF-CONTAINED NATURE AND MULTI-USE PASS WHICH I TOUCHED ON PREVIOUSLY AND AGAIN JUST LOOKING AT REAL-WORLD VALUES OF AD VALOREM TAX REVENUES TO THE COUNTY FROM THE PROJECT FROM THE HOMES IN THE COMMERCIAL AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IMPACT FEE REVENUES THAT WILL BE DERIVED FROM THE CONSTRUCTION.

AGAIN, A BREAKDOWN OF HOW WE GOT TO OUR NUMBERS. THERE IS, BY THE WAY , AND I RECOGNIZE THIS IS A VERY SMALL ISSUE BUT THERE IS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT ON THE WATERFRONT IN THE AREA AND AGAIN OUR PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS ZONED PRD AND OPEN WORLD WITH A 205 UNITS IN THE PROJECT AND THEN FINALLY, A LOOK AT OUR PROJECTS AND I THINK IT REALLY HAMMERS HOME THE POINT THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT ONE, TO MINIMIZE WETLAND IMPACTO KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BE HERE ,

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QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE

QUESTIONS. DR. HILSENBECK. >> SINCE YOU CALLED ME OUT ABOUT

-- >> I WASN'T CALLING YOU OUT.

>> WAIT A MINUTE. THE COMP PLANS AND THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, I NEVER SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF BOUNDARY. I SAID THEY WERE PROBABLY CLOSE TO OR CONTIGUOUS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF BOUNDARY SO I WILL GIVE YOU THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY AND THEY WERE RURAL SILVICULTURE AND AGRI-INTENSIVE LAND SO I WILL GIVE YOU THAT BUT THEY WERE NOT SEVEN TO NINE MILES AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. IS AGRICULTURE CRITICAL TO THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY? THE REASON I ASK IS YOU SAID THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS CRITICAL TO THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY BUT DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT AG, SO I JUST WANTED TO --

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BCC LEVEL , AS FAR AS THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE COUNTY, THE FOCUS FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES HAS BEEN ON GROWING THE AD VALOREM TAX BASE OF COMMERCIAL SO AS FAR AS FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE COUNTY, GROWING THE TAX BASE OF COMMERCIAL HOUSE REPEATEDLY AND CONSISTENTLY BEEN THE FOCUS ON AD VALOREM TAX REVENUES OF THE

COUNTY SO . >> HE ARE NOT ANSWERING THE

QUESTION. >> I AM ANSWERING IT IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 280,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.

>> I THINK AG IS CRITICAL NOT ONLY TO THE FINANCIAL HEALTH BUT TO THE HEALTH OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY , FLORIDA, THE U.S., THE WORLD. I HAVE BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER OF AGRICULTURE SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THE PCA. IT IS FOUNDATIONAL AND FUNDAMENTAL TO FLORIDA AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE HAVE TO EAT AND FARMERS ARE OUT THERE WORKING HARD PROVIDING THE FOOD WE NEED SO WE HEARD SOME GREAT STATISTICS ABOUT THAT. SO. ANYWAY. BROUGHT UP AGAIN THE TOCOI SUBDIVISION AND THE COUNTY HAS BASICALLY IN THEIR STATEMENTS AND THE STAFF REPORT, DEEMED REALLY THAT RELEVANT, THE 1925 SUBDIVISION IS IRRELEVANT , IT IS OVERRIDDEN BY THE COMP PLAN , SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE GOING BACK TO THAT , I

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THEY REALLY WANT ABOVE AND BEYOND, REALLY DUG IN TO THE STAFF REPORT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALL OF THAT, AND REALLY MADE MOST OF MY POINTS FOR ME. THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID THE 15 AND THE 210-MINUTE PRESENTATIONS WERE AWESOME. EVERYONE ELSE WHO SPOKE, FARMERS INCLUDED, WERE REALLY EXCELLENT AND THEY MADE MY POINTS. MY MAIN POINTS ON THIS AND THE REASON THAT I AM GOING TO VOTE TO DENY IS THAT IT IS GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE , IN MY OPINION . TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE OVERWHELMING AND IT IS LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT SO I CAN CITE MANY OTHER THINGS HERE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP MORE TIME BECAUSE OF THE HOUR AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY NEED TO GO INTO ANYMORE BUT THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> MS. SPIEGEL. >> I CAN ASK MR. SMITH FOR MY QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO FIND OUT THAT

INFORMATION? >> THANK YOU, AND THROUGH THE CHAIR, SO MS. SPIEGEL HAD ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORIC NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR THE HISTORIC AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED OVER AGRICULTURE. I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER ON THAT BUT MY RESEARCH DOES TELL ME THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WATER LILY AREA AND SOUTH, SO THE ELTON AND HASTINGS AGRICULTURE DISTRICT, WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY LIMITED LAND-USE CHANGES TO RESIDENTIAL. THEY ARE ALMOST ALWAYS IN THE SIZE AND SCALE TO ALLOW FOR A SINGLE HOME . MY COUNT WAS LESS THAN A DOZEN WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAPS AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ABSORPTION OF THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE CHANGE FROM THAT HAPPENED TO MERIT THEIR EXISTING LAND USES .

BUT, LESS THAN A DOZEN OR SO GENERALLY.

>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING MIGHT BE THE CASE, BUT THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT FOR ME. I, TOO, SPENT DAYS PREPARING AND HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF DOING YOUR HOMEWORK AND NOT BEING EMOTIONAL AND NOT JUST GOING ON NOT IN MY BACKYARD. APPRECIATE VERY MUCH. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT THIS BEING A NEW TOWN BUT NOT TECHNICALLY A NEW TOWN DEVELOPMENT AND RIGHT IN OUR COMP PLAN IT SAYS AG LAND IS NOT NEW TOWN LAND. IT'S JUST NOT. WE PRESERVE AG LAND. ALL THROUGH OUR COMP PLAN IT SAYS WE PRESERVE AG LAND. SILVICULTURE MAY BE A DIFFERENT STORY. DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT ROBINSON IMPROVEMENT COMPANY BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE STILL DOING

SILVICULTURE ON THAT PROPERTY. >> YES. THANK YOU. THE ROBINSON PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL B BUT IT WAS CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL B IN 2019 FROM SILVICULTURE.

>> I THINK RESIDENTIAL SILVICULTURE IS KIND OF FARMING TREES. IT IS STILL HARVESTING BUT I JUST THINK AG LAND IS DIFFERENT . I MEAN, IT TAKES 30 YEARS TO GROW THE TREES AND I THINK AG LAND IS IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW COMP PLAN WE ARE MOVING TO. I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ON THE PRIORITIES IN THE TOP THREE OR FARMLAND. MY MEETING WITH THE FARM CULTURE, I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH SEVERAL OF THE FARMERS AND I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MILITARY FAMILIES UNTIL I MET MILITARY. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CULTURE, IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND I THINK THE IDEA OF JUST TAKING THIS AND PLOPPING THIS WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLAN, IT REALLY IS. IT'S VERY NICE. I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB WITH THE PRESERVATION BUT IT JUST DOESN'T BELONG HERE. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD FOR OUR COUNTY. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORS. THE THING ABOUT THE NATS IN THE SPRAY AND THE SMELLS AND THINGS IT JUST DOES NOT SEEM SUITABLE TO ME FOR THIS REGION. I REALLY WANT THIS COMP PLAN TO PRESERVE OUR FARMLAND. I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. IT WILL NEVER COME BACK AND ONE OF THE FARMERS

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SUPPORTING THIS APPLICAION. >> MR. LABANOWSKI.

>> THANK YOU. IS SOMEONE HERE FROM UTILITIES BY CHANCE? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. THERE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THEIR NOT BEING ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE UTILITIES THEY PLAN ON

PUTTING IN. IS THIS CORRECT? >> I'M TERRY SHOEMAKER WITH UTILITIES. IT DOES DEPEND ON THE ACTUAL TREATMENT PROCESS , IF THEY CHOOSE WELL SITES, STORMWATER BUFFERS, THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO THE DESIGN OF THESE FACILITIES BUT BASED ON SOME OF OUR COMPARABLE SITES, THEY HAVE BEEN LARGER BUT WE DID ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE NOT ANSWERED EVERYTHING ABOUT MANAGEMENT, THE DIFFERENT PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS . YOU HAVE TO HAVE RECLAIMED WATER AND THE STORAGE, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE VERY TECHNICAL AND REGULATED SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE COULD WORK THROUGH THAT PROBLEM SOLVING BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT IN FRONT OF US TODAY AND WE JUST DON'T QUITE THINK IT IS BIG ENOUGH.

>> OKAY, SO YOU DON'T THINK IT IS BIG ENOUGH RIGHT NOW. MY CONCERN IS WITH THIS THING BEING THE LOCATION OF THE PLANT, IT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE WETLAND AREA SO IF THEY HAVE TO ENLARGE, THEY HAVE TO DEVASTATE THE WETLAND AREAS SO THAT IS A CONCERN. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE I THINK THERE WERE 14 WELLS ON THE

PROPERTY RIGHT NOW . >> I ACTUALLY DIDN'T -- I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO PERMIT AND DRILL NEW WELLS AND THERE WOULD BE WATER QUALITY TESTING AND MODELING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO AN OILFIELD SO .

>> IT IS OUR CURRENT AQUIFER ABLE TO RECHARGE FAST ENOUGH TO

HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? >> WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM. LOTS OF MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS BUT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT COVERS ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS SO THEY REQUIRE VERY INTENSE HYDRAULIC MODELING, NOTIFICATION. IT'S A REALLY INTENSE PROJECT THAT THEY COVER ALL THE SPACES AND CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. TO MAKE SURE IT IS ALL VIABLE. AND HE MENTIONED A FEASIBILITY STUDY BUT WE DID NOT SEE THAT SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS FLOATING AROUND AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT SO THERE MAY BE ANSWERS OUT THERE WE

DIDN'T SEE, SO. THANK YOU. >> A QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP OR COMMENT, I SHOULD SAY , ABOUT INVESTMENT. WHO ARE THE FOREIGN INVESTORS IN THIS PROGRAM? CHINA WAS SPECIFICALLY QUOTED.

>> I ASKED WHEN THAT COMMENT CAME UP AND I ASKED IT JOKING.

IT GOT A NO JOKING RESPONSE . IT IS AMERICAN OWNERSHIP BUT I THINK YOU GET ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE BY ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS IF WE START USING THESE FORMS TO ASK IS KIND OF QUESTIONS. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OBVIOUSLY SINCE SEPTEMBER 11TH HAS VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS REGARDIN FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF AMERICAN LANDS BUT IT IS AMERICAN.

>> IT'S NOT A SLIPPERY SLOPE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPATIBILITY IN THE AREA. EVERYTHING I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. LOOKING AT THE ROUNDABOUT FOR FARMING EQUIPMENT, IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE. I MEAN, YOU DON'T TAKE FARMING EQUIPMENT AROUND CIRCLES. YOU CAN DO IT, BUT IT'S HARD. I GREW UP IN A FARMING AREA SO I KNOW ALL THE ASPECTS. I HAVE THROWN MANY A BALE OF HAY, TOO. AGAIN, I AM LOOKING AT THE SAFETY OF THE AREA. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FIREHOUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE PUT IN, POSSIBLY, BEFORE THE FIRST SEAL, ONE SHOULD BE IN PLACE. TALKING ABOUT 55 AND OLDER. WE VISIT THE HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE YOUNGER GENERATION AND I HATE TO SAY I'M GETTING OLD BUT I AM BUT I'M STILL ENJOYING IT AND IN A FARMING AREA WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PLOWING THE FIELDS AND SO FORTH,

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>> MR. GREEN. >> ALL RIGHT. IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION ON BOTH SIDES. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT .

MAYBE SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED IN THE COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE. BUT, WHAT BOTHERS ME IS YOU KNOW, I AM A NATIVE . I KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE. I KNOW A LOT OF THE FARMERS, HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM AND I THINK MS. SPIEGEL MENTIONED IT. THE FARMS RUN 24 HOURS A DAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. NOISE, SMELLS , DUST AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE GNATS AND FLIES AND ALL THAT. AND I AM JUST AFRAID AND I KNOW A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE LIVING NEXT TO SOME OF THE SMALLER BUILD COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE ARE CALLING ALL THE TIME. LAW ENFORCEMENT, DP , ALL THE REGULATORY AGENCIES, STATE AND FEDERAL, BECAUSE THEY SMALL STUFF THEY DON'T LIKE. THEY HEAR STUFF THEY DON'T LIKE. YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH WATER ON THEIR FARM, NOT ENOUGH WATER ON THE FARM SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE TRANSMITTAL OF COMPAMD 2024-5 WATER LILY BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. NOT TO BE -- BEAT A DEAD HORSE BUT ON THE LAST SLIDE OF YOUR SLIDESHOW YOU STATED THAT THE TOCOI PLAT WAS THE TRUE DENSITY OF THE AREA AND YOU ARE RELYING ON A 100-YEAR-OLD PLAT THAT GRANTED, THERE ARE LOTS OF RECORDS. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT THOSE LOTS ARE PROBABLY NOT BUILDABLE . THERE IS NO WASTEWATER. THERE IS NO SEWER.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BOTH WELL AND SEPTIC WITH THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD UNDER TODAY. MOST OF THOSE LOTS HE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A HOUSE ON AND NOT TO MENTION THE PRD THAT WAS GRANTED I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER FIT THAN THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT HAD THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LAND, OVER 98%, WAS PRESERVED AND THEY BUILT SMALLER DENSITY ALTHOUGH IT WAS HIGH-DENSITY THAT WAS CONCENTRATED IT WAS A SMALLER DENSITY OF 205 HOUSES, RESIDENTIAL LOTS COMPARED TO 3000. WHEN IT COMES TO COMPATIBILITY IN THIS AREA I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I SEE MORE OF THE PRD AND I DON'T GET THE JUSTIFICATION AND RELYING ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A 100-YEAR-OLD PLAT WITH LOTS OF RECORDS BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION SO IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WE WILL GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE. THIS IS A MOTION TO DENY. THAT MOTION CARRIES 5-0, AND WE STILL HAVE A FEW BUSINESS ITEMS TO CONDUCT IF YOU ALL WOULDN'T MIND AS YOU LEAVE, JUST KIND OF BE QUIET ON THE WAY OUT. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. APPRECIATE IT.

ÚON TO STAFF REPORTS.

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