Oct 03, 2019 Planning and Zoning Agency

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CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

IT'S OCTOBER 3RD. I'VE GOT 1:30 ON MY WATCH. WE'LL START OFF WITH THE READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICES STATEMENT BY VICE CHAIR MR. WOODARD. VICE CHAIRMAN WOODARD: THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING HELD IN CON OCCURRENCE WITH FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AREA'S JURISDICTION. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING AND ON EACH ITEM AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE WHICH SHALL INCLUDE -- WHICH RECORDS INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARINGS SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS AND PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARDS OR THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATED TO THE ITEMS. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY'VE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THEISH ISSUE AND AVOID PERSONAL I ATTACKS.

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1. MISS MAY? HOW ARE YOU >> CYNTHIA MAY: WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT SMALL SCALE FOR ST. JOHNS COMMERCIAL. IT'S LOCATE ON THE WEST SIDE OF STATE WOOD 13TH NORTH AT OTOE'S PLACE. IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL. THE SITE IS, LIKE I SAID, ON THE WEST SIDE OF STATE ROAD 13. THIS IS OTOE'S PLACE. THERE ARE TWO PARCELS. ONE TO THE NORTH AND ONE TO THE SOUTH. THAT'S THE ZONING. AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL B.

PROPOSAL TO USE IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FROM RESIDENTIAL B TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. IT'S ABOUT 7.7 ACRES. THE PROPOSAL CURRENTLY IS FOR CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AND CAR WASH ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES PROPOSED ON THE NORTH SIDE. THERE'S A TEXT AMENDMENT PROPOSED WITH THIS POLICY CHANGE THAT WOULD LIMIT THE MAXIMUM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND OFFICE USES TO 45,000 SQUARE FEET. A PARSE TOLL THE SOUTH WOULD BE LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL USED WITH EXCEPTIONS AND THE NORTH PARCEL TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD USES.

AND THERE ARE ALSO PROVISIONS FOR SCENIC BUFFERS AND DEVELOPMENT EDGES. THERE'S A 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE PROPOSED ALONG STATE ROAD 13 NORTH. AND AVERAGED 30 FOOT WITH A 20 FOOT MINIMUM AT OTOE'S PLACE FOR THE SOUTHERN PARCEL. A 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND 20 FOOT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. AND THERE WOULD NO AJACENS TO NON-RESIDENTIAL USED. AND THE SOUTHERN PARCEL COMMUNITY GENERAL USES PER THE TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW CAR WASHES AS ACCESSORY TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE. BUT MARINAS, COMMUNITY MARINAS, GOLF COURSE, DRIVING RANGES, AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE BOAT STORAGE WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. THIS IS THE SITE OF A FORMER LANDSCAPE NURSERY.

THEY DO HAVE CONCURRENCY CERTIFICATE FOR 75,000 SQUARE

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DETAILED SITE ACCESS AND OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL AND THAT WOULD BE TO DETERMINE THE NEEDS WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT AREA. THE DIRECTLY ACCESSED LINK AND THIS IS STATE ROAD 13 FROM FRUIT COVE TO RACE TRACK ROAD IS OPERATING AT ABOUT 75 PERCENT AND THAT'S BASED ON 2019 TRAFFIC AND 93% BASED ON TOTAL COMMUNITY TRAFFIC. OTOE'S PLACE IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL ROAD AND ANALYSIS FINDINGS OVER 2,000 DAILY TRIPS MAY REQUIRE AN UPGRADE TO A MINOR COLLECTOR ROAD. PURSUANT TO POLICY A138 RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE ALLOWS COMMERCIAL USES INCLUDING CONVENIENCE STORES WITHOUT GAS PUMPS. THIS SITE IS ON THE WILLIAM BARTRAM SCENIC AND HISTORIC HIGHWAY WHICH LIMITS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR 600 FEET UNLESS IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS. THE NORTHWEST SECTOR POLICIES RECOGNIZE THERE'S A NEED FOR COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AND THERE IS EXISTING COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH THAT EXTENDS PAST RACE TRACK ROAD INTERSECTION IN AN AREA THAT HAS TRANSITIONED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS TO BECOME MORE COMMERCIAL. THE COMPATIBILITY MAP SHOWS THE TWO PARCELS AT OTOE'S PLACE WITH THE FRUIT COVE ESTATES TO THE WEST AND COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY SHOPPING ON ALL THE OTHER SIDES. STAFF RECEIVED A NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS AND CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THE REQUESTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND THE APPLICANT HELD A NORTHWEST SECTOR COMMUNITY MEETING IN JULY. APPROXIMATELY 50 RESIDENTS PARTICIPATED. THE DISCUSSION CENTERED ON TRAFFIC, CRIME, HOURS OF OPERATION, AND NOISE GENERATED AMONG OTHER TOPICS.

STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND FINDS THAT IT'S GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THERE ARE FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION, WHICH WILL PROBABLY PROVIDE YOU WITH A LOT OF DETAIL. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I SEE NONE. IF WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MS. MAY. SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. SID ONS BOCKER 780 NORTH PONCE DE-LEON BOULEVARD. I WILL LIMIT MY INTRODUCTION UP FRONT TO LINDSAY HAGA WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THE BULL BULK OF OUR PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF ETM. SHE IS OUR LAND USE PLANNER AND PUT TOGETHER MUCH OF THE PACKAGE HERE. SHE WILL DESCRIBE HOW WE HAVE REDUCED THE IMPACT FROM THE LAST TIME THROUGH AS WELL AS GOING THROUGH A HISTORY OF THE

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WITH US AS WELL IS JEFF CRAMOND WHO IS HERE TO ANSWER TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. LINDSAY KELLER, WHO IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD ON THE PROJECT. JEREMY RINGER WHO IS OUR TREE EXPERT AND WHO WILL BE HERE TO TESTIFY TO HOW MANY MORE TREES WILL BE PROTECTED IN UNDER STRAIGHT ZONING. AND UNDER THE COMP PLAN AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. WITH US FOR FIRST COAST ENERGY FOR DALEY'S IS CARRIE BRESLIN, THANK YOU RATCLIFFE AND KEITH DAH.

WITH THAT, I WILL NOTE THAT ANYTHING I WANT TO SAY I WILL RESERVE FOR WHAT I HOPE WILL BE BRIEF REBUTTAL. AND WE HOPE THAT LINDSAY'S PRESENTATION WILL ANSWER ANY SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON AGENCY MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD LINDSAY HAGA WITH 14775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO START OUR DISCUSSION OF WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY CHANGING COMMERCIAL FROM COMMERCIAL, THIS ADJUSTMENT. CYNTHIA WALKED US THROUGH THIS AMENDMENT. AND HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE SMALL SCALE REQUEST TO DO TWO THINGS. MODIFY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ATTACH WITH IT A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT OUTLINES A PRESCRIPTION FOR HOW DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR ON THIS 7 ACRE SITE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THOSE ARE THE MAIN COMPONENTS, A MAP AMENDMENT AND TEXT AMENDMENT LIMITING THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENT OF 75,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES TO 45,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-REZ USES AND LIMITING WHAT TYPE OF USES BY PARCEL. THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN AS WELL AS ADDRESSING ACCESS MANAGEMENT AND BUFFERING AND SCREENING ENHANCED IN WHAT WILL CREATE A HIGHER PERFORMING CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE SITE. THIS IS THE CORRIDOR MOST OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. NORTHWEST SECTOR HAS BEEN A GROWING AREA SINCE I GREW UP THERE. THE CORRIDOR STATE ROAD 13 AND RACE TRACK ROAD. THE BATTLE OF WHETHER IT'S FRUIT COVE OR ST. JOHNS. THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY A THIRD OF A MILE SITE OF THE INTERSECTION OF RACE TRACK ROAD AND STATE ROAD 13 WHICH ARE TWO ARE TEAR YELL ROADWAY AND COLLECTOR ROADWAYS THAT INTERSECTING HERE AND REPRESENT THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR AND EAST-WEST CORRIDOR. THE YELLOW PROPERTY SHOWS IT IS BISECTED BY OTOE'S PLACE WHICH IS A PUBLIC, LOCAL ROAD CONNECTING TO STATE ROAD 13 THAT DOES PROVIDE ACCESS INTO FRUIT COVE ESTATES, AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. THE PROPERTY ITSELF HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY USED AS A NURSERY, A GARDEN CENTER, AND I HAVE A SERIES OF SLIDES THAT WILL SHOW DIFFERENT TRANSITIONS AS IT EXPERIENCED DIFFERENT LEVELS OF OPERATIONS OVER TIME. THERE IS EXISTING VEHICULAR ACCESS ON TO OTOE'S PLACE AND TO STATE ROAD 13. YOU WENT OUT AND DID A SITE VISIT YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THE DRIVEWAY CUTS ON BOTH PARCELS. THIS SITE IS FAMILIAR TO US.

WE'VE HA ATTENTION IN THE MEDIA BUT REALLY IT'S FAMILIAR TO ALL OF US BECAUSE OF ITS PRIME MARRY FRONT AVERAGE ON STATE ROAD 13 AND ITS USE AS A NURSERY HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY OF FRUIT COVE AND NORTHWEST SECTOR. IT REPRESENTS THE LAST INFIELD PIECE. I'LL SHOW YOU THROUGH A SERIES OF MAPS IT'S BOUNDED BY EXISTING COMMERCIAL OF SIMILAR INTENSITY BOTH WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND SOUTH ON ROBERT'S ROAD. IT HAS A PERMITTING HISTORY. ONE THAT'S GONE THROUGH AS FAR AS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THIS AMENDMENT BUT ALSO WHAT IT'S BEEN ENTITLED FOR. IN 2005, THIS SITE WAS ENTITLED, WENT THROUGH A PREAPPLICATION WITH THE COUNTY FOR A PLANTATION CENTER, WAS ITS NAME, AND IT WAS SEEKING 75,000 SQUARE FEET OF SHOPPING CENTER SPACE. THAT RESULTED IN THE ENTIGHT LIT. OF A CONCUR KENSEY ERT FOR 75,000 SQUARE FEET AND HAS CARRIED OVER WITH THE PROPERTY SEEKING TO DEVELOP A SHOPPING CENTER. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER PERMITTING HISTORY OF DIFFERENT FOLKS LOOKING TO DEVELOPMENT THIS SITE.

SPECIFICALLY, WITH OUR APPLICANT, THEY BECAME THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND COMPLETED THEIR PURCHASE IN 2017 AND HAVE HAD TWO FIRM OFFERS TO DEVELOP UNDER THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENT WHICH WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER RESIDENTIAL B AND COMMERCIAL ZONING. LONG TERM FOR THEM THE BEST USE IS CONVENIENCE STORES WITH FUELLING STATIONS ON THE SOUTHERN PIECE AND OFFICES USES ON THE NORTHERN PIECE. LET'S LOOK AT OUR PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION EMBEDDED WITHIN

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YOU DON'T POP DOWN UNTIL YOU GET TO ROBERTS ROAD AND STATE ROAD 13 THERE ARE BANDS OF CONSERVATION AREAS THAT ARE PLANNED AS FAR AS MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES AND THE PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THIS I'D LIKE TO WALK YOU THROUGH IF YOU GIVE ME PATIENCE OF KIND OF A WALK THROUGH TIME ON JUST GOOGLE IMAGES OF THE SITE. BEGINNING IN 1994 WHEN WE START TO BUILD UP, WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE PROPERTY. THIS STARTS TO GIVE YOU THAT FIRST GLIMMER OF HOW THE PROPERTY'S BEEN CLEARED AND MANAGED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AND HOW YOU CAN GET USED TO A NURSERY THAT'S BEEN KIND OF ACTIVE AS YOU WOULD HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH AN ACE HARDWARE, HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S BY CHANCE THAT YOU HAVE THAT IN THERE. AND THAT YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT THAT'S GREEN AND PROVIDES CANOPY. IT IS A HIGH COMMERCIAL USE THAT HAS THAT GREENERY. SO, WE'VE GONE FROM 1994 TO 2002 AND IN THAT JUMP OF TIME WE SEE -- EXCUSE ME I'M GOING TO START WITH '94 TO '99. WE SEE THIS WAS OUR FOOD LION AT THE CORNER. BRACKETING IN ONE OF THE SPOTS.

THIS WAS A DRIVE-THRU CONVENIENCE STORE LOCATED HERE.

AND IF YOU NOTICE THE PROFILE, STATE ROAD 13, IS A TWO LANE ROAD AT THAT POINT. WE MOVE FORWARD TO 2002. DURING THAT TIME THE IMPROVEMENT TO STATE ROAD 13 WAS WIDENED TO A FOUR LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY WITH BICYCLE LANES AND SIDEWALKS AND REPRESENTS THE IMPROVEMENT AND GROWTH YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE AREA BROUGHT ABOUT BY JULINGTON CREEK TO THE RIGHT REALLY ANCHORED IN THIS CORNER OF RACE TRACK ROAD AND STATE ROAD 13. THIS IS THE PUBLIX THAT YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE CVS. WALGREENS HASN'T POPPED UP YET. YOU WILL SEE THAT ON A ZONING MAP TO COME FORWARD AND BARTRAM VILLAGE. THEN WE HAVE THE PLAY CENTER FOR MOST OF THE KIDS GROWING UP HERE IN THIS AREA. YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS SITE YOU CAN START TO SEE HOW AREAS OF THE PROPERTY HAS

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2006 WE START TO SEE BARTRAM VILLAGE. THAT'S ANCHORED WITH THE SPOKES AND THE GAS STATION. A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA. AND THEN THE DINERS. YOU CAN START TO SEE AGAIN HOW THIS IS FILLING IN. IMMEDIATE TO THE SITE WE'LL JUST USE THE PIZZA PLACE AJOINING TO THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT'S COME IN. THAT HAS A 24 HOUR GYM THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE DO PROPOSE INNERCONNECTIVE TO THIS PARCEL SO THAT YOU COULD BE CONNECTING TO THE COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH AND THAT'S WHAT'S ENABLING US TO REMOVE OUR DRIVEWAY CONNECTION THAT THAT'S ON STATE ROAD 13. IMPROVING ACCESS MANAGEMENT AND THE NUMBER OF TURNS THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS CORRIDOR. THIS MAP CAN QUICKLY SHOW YOU THE SERIES OF ZONING CHANGES IN THE CORRIDOR FROM 1984 TO 2015. AND OF THESE I'D JUST LIKE TO POP IN A COUPLE THAT I FIND OF INTEREST IN ZONING HISTORY. ONE BEGINNING IS THIS PROPERTY HERE REZONED IN 2000 FROM INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL. SO, PROPERTIES AND ZONING ALONG THIS CORRIDOR HAD A MISMATCH OF COMMERCIAL, GENERAL. OUR SITE HAD BEEN ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL SINCE 1974. THIS WAS AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE HERE. REZONED TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

THE OPEN RURAL REPRESENTS FRUIT COVE BAPTIST SITE. THIS BLOCK THAT YOU SEE HERE, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, DIRECTLY EAST OF OUR PROPERTY, IS THE BANK OF USES THAT YOU KNOW NOW HAS THE NEW COFFEE SHOP, PITCH A PENNY WHICH IS CHLORINE POOL SUPPLIES THAT YOU HAVE ABOVE GROUND STORAGE TANKS. A EYE DOCTOR THAT HAS TRANSITIONED FROM A LITTLE CHAMP. IN 2011 IT WAS A KANGAROO EXPRESS. AND THIS WAS OUR FIRST APPROVAL OF A GAS STATION WITH FOUR PUMPS AT THE CORNER HERE SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTIES.

CG AND RESIDENTIAL B. ON THIS CORRIDOR FRONTING OUR SITE WE HAD A GAS STATION IN PLACE ON THIS SITE. PART OF THE ZONING HISTORY AND THE COUNTY STAFF CAN ADDRESS THIS AS WELL IS THAT AT SOME POINT THEY INVESTIGATED DOING WHAT WAS CALLED THE ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING PROJECT. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS.

THIS WAS IDENTIFYING ALL THE SITES IN THE COUNTY THAT HAD DIFFERENT ZONE DISTRICTS TO THEM AND TRY TO ALIGN THEM TO THE LAND USE CATEGORY THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY. IN 2000, DECEMBER OF 2006, A SERIES OF PARCELS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR WERE PRESENTED TO THAT PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. OUR PROPERTY WAS INCLUDED IN THAT PACKET OF INFORMATION AS WELL AS THIS PROPERTY HERE. AGAIN SIMILARLY SITUATED RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE, COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS, REZONING, DID ENOUGH INFORMATION GET OUT, HOW INVOLVED WAS THE PUBLIC. HOW DO WE TACKLE THAT BIG OF A PROJECT.

STAFF WENT AWAY, READJUSTED, CAME BACK IN JANUARY OF 2007 AND OUR PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. SO, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AS THE COUNTY WORKED WITH EACH OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BETTER ALIGN WHAT THEY HAD INTENDED TO USE THEIR PROPERTIES WITH. WITH WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING OF THEIR SITE. THAT'S ANOTHER POINT THAT THIS SITE WAS BEING USED AS COMMERCIAL GENERAL PROPERTY AND THAT AN AMENDMENT WOULD BE FORTH COMING FOR THIS PROPERTY. AGAIN, THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SAME AS BEFORE BUT SHOWS YOU OUR PROPERTY AS IS ENTITLED FOR RESIDENTIAL B. TO THE POINTS ON THIS, IS WHILE THIS SAYS RESIDENTIAL B WE KNOW THIS IS THE RESTAURANT, SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT. YOU HAVE A DOCTOR'S OFFICE WITHIN THE SITE. YOU HAVE THE 24 HOUR GYM. HERE YOU HAVE THE SERIES OF USES THAT I SAID -- PITCH OF PENNY, TUTOR TIME, THE EYE DOCTOR PLACE. HERE'S WHERE WE HAVE A CROSS FIT BOX IN THIS AREA. WE KNOW THERE IS THE GOODWILL SHOP. SO, YOU HAVE, WHILE IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL B AND GIVES YOU THAT FEEL THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, IT'S COMMERCIAL. THIS IS WHAT THIS TRAN SECT IS REPRESENTED BY. WE HAVE THIS STORY OF TRANSITIONING FROM COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE FOR YOU A SPECTRUM OF USES TO COMPARE. BECAUSE OF THIS TRANSITION. WE DO WANT THIS COMMUNITY COMPELLERIAL LAND USE CATEGORY SO WE CAN HAVE THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH 12 PUMPS ALIGNED. HOW DO WE COMPARE WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT MITIGATION? WE HAVE A VALID CERTIFICATE OF CONCURRENCY. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT MITIGATION YOU LOOK AT PROJECTS FOR THEIR NET NEW P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS. IN THIS YOU WILL SEE IN A COMPARISON, OUR PERMITTED USE OF 75,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD PROVIDE

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PEAK HOUR TRIP WOULD BE 202 VEHICLES PER HOUR. WE UNDERSTAND THIS INTUITIVELY. BECAUSE WHILE A SHOPPING CENTER IS A DESTINATION, WE MAY SPECIFICALLY CHOOSE TO GO THERE, IT HAS A DIRECT NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT ARRIVE, A CONVENIENCE STORE IS MORE FUNCTION AND CAPTURE ALL THE PASSBY TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING ON THESE CORRIDORS. THE AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 13 IS UPWARD OF 28,000 CARS PER DAY THAT TRAVEL ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE OF RACE TRACK ROAD. IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT GAS STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES, WHILE THEY DO HAVE SOME DESTINATION SPACE, IT'S REALLY HOW IT CAPTURES ABOUT 62 PERCENT OF THOSE TRIPS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE CORRIDOR WILL PULL IN TO USE THOSE SERVICES. BUT LET'S NOT IGNORE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON TRAFFIC AND LOOK AT THE OTHER ELEMENTS JUST TO GIVE SOME COMPARISON AS WELL. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GROSS DAILY TRIPS AND GROSS P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. AND TO THAT WHEN YOU THINK OVERALL VEHICLES PER DAY THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT 900 TRIPS OVERALL THE DAY CYCLE. THE 24 HOUR CYCLE. OF 900 TRIPS. THEN THE PEAK HOUR, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF 46 TRIPS. SO WE RECOGNIZE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BUT IS THAT DIFFERENCE UNREASONABLE? IS THAT DIFFERENCE UNSUITABLE? AND WHEN YOU MITIGATE FOR OUR USES, YOU ARE HUNTING FOR THE NET NEW P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIP. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN AND PROPOSE IT ON THAT SOUTHERN PIECE IT'S SINGULAR USE FOR THIS 7,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENT STORE AND 12 PUMPS, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE 46% OF THE SITE AS OPEN SPACE.

AN ENHANCED PERFORMANCE PLAN. BECAUSE IT'S SINGULAR ON THAT SITE. IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD MOST OF THE DAILY STORES ARE ON ONE ACRE TO TWO ACRES AND THE SITE THAT'S OVER OFF RACE TRACK ROAD IS 1.6. BY PROVIDING FIVE ACRES USING THAT FIVE ACRE SITE FOR THE ENTIRE STORE WITH ACCESSORY CAR WASH, WE'RE ABLE TO GREEN THAT SITE. YOU WILL SEE AS WE FLIP THROUGH THE PLANS.

THE PERMITTED WHEN WE SAY THIS IS OUR PERMITTED PLAN WE CAN FILE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, HERE IS WHAT WOULD BE RETAINED AFTER WE COMPLY WITH COUNTY CODE. 32%. WE'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE HIGHER GREEN AND HAVE A BETTER PERFORMANCE WHICH REALLY ADDRESSES THE HUMAN SCALE AND THAT COMPATIBILITY, MAINTAINING THAT CHARACTER AND SENSE OF ARRIVAL THAT'S ON OTTO'S PLACE AND STATE ROAD 13. THEN WE'VE DISCUSSED THE ILLUSTRATIVE USES ALLOWED BETWEEN THE TWO AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THIS IS A COPY YOU HAVE THIS IN YOUR PACKET. THIS IS TO SAY THAT WHILE WE ARE GIVING INFORMATION ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE OF STATE ROAD 13 AND MITIGATING FOR OUR TRIPS, THEY HAVE RESERVED AND FOUND CONCURRENCY CAPACITY RESERVE FOR 75,000 SQUARE FEET.

THAT TRANSLATES TO 45,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL. SO, OUR TRIP SPACE HAS BEEN RESERVED. WHEN WE TALK THIS SEGMENT LINKS THAT 76% OF CAPACITY THAT'S OKAY. THAT IS ACCOUNTING FOR OUR TRIPS RESERVED THROUGH THIS CONCURRENCY CERTIFICATE. THIS IS A REAL QUICK WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE BANK OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY THE RESIDENTIAL B LAND USE AND THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONE DISTRICT AND WHICH WOULD BE ADDED IN WITH OUR ADD AMENDMENT ARE BANDED IN BLUE.

ESSENTIAL COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL PROVIDES YOU WITH THAT. THE PUMPS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED. AND THEN PHARMACIES WITH DRIVE-THRU'S AND RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THRU'S. FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, CREDIT UNIONS OR BANKS WITH DRIVE-THRUS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE CATEGORY. YOU CAN SEE MORE USES ARE SIMILAR THAN LESS IN BETWEEN THESE TWO. AGAIN, BY SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING OUR CURRENT ENTITLEMENT, THAT'S PART OF THAT STORY OF CHANGING FROM COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL AND SELF-RESTRICTING INTO THAT TO MAKE A HIGHER PERFORMING PLAN AT LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE. SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. WHAT ARE WE ENTITLED FOR. WHAT DOES 75,000 SQUARE FEET LOOK LIKE OVER 7-AND-A-HALF ACRES. THIS LAYS OUT THE PLAN.

WE HAVE STATE ROAD 13. WE'RE HEADED NORTH THIS WAY. WE HAVE THE NORTHERN PARCEL IS USED FOR OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SITE PLAN WILL BE SIMILAR AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO OUR PERFORMANCE PLAN. AND MAINLY THAT IS WHERE THE LOCATION OF OUR STORM WATER PONDS ARE. DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA, ALTHOUGH OUR STORM WATER PONDS ARE LOCATED ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, DRAINAGE IS PIPED TO STATE ROAD 13 AND MOVES SOUTH TO THE DRAINAGE OUTFALL. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW BECAUSE IN A SERIES OF MEETS WE'VE HAD SINCE 2016 AND THE RECENT SECTOR MEETINGS FOR THIS APPLICATION DRAINAGE IN THE FRUIT COVE ESTATE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DON'T HAVE CENTRAL STORM WATER FACILITY AND DRAINAGE. IT IS A SWELL SYSTEM. SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES. OUR PROJECT WOULD NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. AND OUR DRAINAGE FLOWS TOWARDS STATE ROAD 13. IN A SHOPPING CENTER DESIGN OF WHAT'S PERMITTED NOW, YOU HAVE ACCESS, WE HAVE EXISTING ACCESS ON OTOE'S. AND SHOPPING CENTERS HAVE BACK OF THE HOUSE NEEDS FOR

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SO KNOWING NOW YOU WOULD HAVE AN ENTRANCE POINT HERE WHERE REGULAR CUSTOMERS COME IN OFF STATE ROAD 13 AND OTOE'S PLACE.

IF YOU ARE DOING YOUR DELIVERY AND WORK HERE ANCHORED BY A GROCER YOU COME THROUGH THE BACK AND HAVE THIS ACTIVITY THAT'S CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY. KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE FLIP TO THE PERFORMANCE PLAN THAT SHOWS ALL THE ACTIVITY GOING INTO STATE ROAD 13. BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF ENTITLEMENT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE NEED TO MEET A MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

WITH THAT COMES PARKING FEEL TO HIT THAT MINIMUM NUMBER REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YOU SEE THE SAME ELEMENTS OF THE SCENIC EDGE HERE. WHAT YOU DON'T SEE, YOU A SEE A LITTLE LIT OF DISRUPTION BETWEEN THE CANOPY WE ENJOY NOW WHEN WE VISIT OTOE'S PLACE ON STATE ROAD 13. LET'S LOOK AT OUR PERFORMANCE PLAN. WHAT SHOULD HAVE JUMPED OUT IS THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE, THAT SOFT AREA ADDED IN, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTHERN PIECE. THEN SHADING IN ON THE AREA FOR OTOE'S PLACE ABOUT WHERE HERE THIS MEDIAN WHERE THEY HAVE THE SIGNAGE NOW AND WHERE OUR ACCESS POINT IS. IT IS MOVED EAST, CLOSER TO STATE ROAD 13. IF YOU CAN NOTE WITHIN THIS AREA IT IS AB AGGRESSIVE DESIGN. IT'S MEANT FOR YOU AND ME TO VISIT. IT'S NOT MEANT FOR THE DELIVERY TRUCKS OR THE FUEL TRUCKS TO COME IN. THAT THIS SITE HAS BEEN DESIGNED THAT TRUCKS WHERE WE HAVE THE PLACEMENT OF THE UNDER GROUND STORAGE TANKS WILL ENTER OFF STATE ROAD 13. THEY DELIVER HERE AND EXIT AGAIN. THEY CAN HEAD SOUTH TO DO OTHER STORES OFF 210 OR GO DOWN ROBERTS ROAD WELL ELSE ON THEIR ROUTING. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO KNOW WHERE THIS IS AND HOW THIS DESIGN THEY OFFER ALLOWS FOR THAT MEDIAN TO REMAIN UNCHANGED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. YOU ALSO SEE WHERE WE HAVE THAT DIRECT CONNECTION TO OUR OFFICE USE. BECAUSE WE'VE REMOVED THE ACCESS POINT TO STATE ROAD 13 TO ENHANCE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON STATE ROAD 13, WE DO ACCESS IN OFF OTOE'S INTO THE OFFICE AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR VEHICULAR CONNECTION THERE TO THE BRUSHI'S. SO, THERE WOULD BE CHANGES IN COORDINATION WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER BUT IT'S AVAILABLE THERE. AS CYNTHIA WALKED THROUGH THE TEXT AMENDMENT DOES PROVIDE FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH ACCESSORY CAR WASH. AGAIN, BY SHOWING ON OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN FROM THE PRIOR SUBMITTAL IT HAD SHOWN AS A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AS ONE OF THE USES. REALLY HAVING MULTIPLE USES ON THIS. AND THIS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN SHOWS SINGULAR USE ON THAT SO YOU CAN ENHANCE OPEN SPACE. ONE OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS ON TRADING OFF AND REALLY TO KEEP THAT SENSE OF ARRIVAL AND MAKE SURE WE'RE PARTNERS AND CONNECT IN WITH THE CHARACTER IS TO FLIP OVER THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE TO WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SOUTHERN PARCEL. YOU SEE THIS LINE WORK HERE.

THAT'S 20 FOOT MINIMUM. POPS OUT TO A 30 FOOT AVERAGE. THAT WILL CARRY WITH IT THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR CANOPY AND NON-CANOPY TREES THAT'S EITHER MET WITH THE MATURE TREES ON SITE NOW OR WILL BE ADDED TO IN OUR MASTER LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO, KEY COMPONENTS IS: ACTIVITY TOWARDS STATE ROAD 13. ENHANCED LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE WHICH IS OVERLAPPED WITH THE URBAN SECTION OF THE WILLIAM BRART RAM HIGHWAY SECTION. LANDSCAPING ON WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST ACTIVE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE AND MAINTAINING THAT CORRIDOR INTO FRUIT COVE ESTATES. AND LIMITING THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS ON OTOE'S. SO, EVERYTHING THAT'S ACTIVE DURING THIS SITE IS TOWARD STATE ROAD 13. AGAIN A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY IN ST. JOHNS ONE OF THEIR MAIN NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDORS. NOW LET'S TRY TO GIVE YOU A VERTICAL LOOK OF WHAT THE BUFFER IS. I'LL FLIP BACK TO GIVE YOU A HINDSIGHT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS. THIS PICTURE IS LOOKING RIGHT IN THIS AREA. SO, AS YOU ARE COMING TO THE WESTERN MOST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THEN FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE THE POND TREES IN THE BACKGROUND. THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF EXISTING TREES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA AND THEN YOU SEE HERE THE MASONRY WALL WHICH IS THE SPECIFIC SCREENING STANDARD THAT'S REQUIRED OF THE ST. JOHNS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR WHEN YOU HAVE CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. THIS REPRESENTS OUR 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE WHICH WOULD HAVE MATURE TREES. AND BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN OF THE SITE AND THE TOPOGRAPHY WE'RE ABLE TO STAY OUT OF THIS AREA AND ENHANCE IT RATHER THAN CLEAR CUT THE PROPERTY. PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT EDGE WHEN YOU HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS/FUEL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IS YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH A SCREENING STANDARD THAT OVERLAPS WITH THE SCENIC EDGE. THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD BE PLACED. AGAIN, BUILDING IN THIS TRAN SECT AND FEATHERING AND

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THAT'S ENHANCED WITH THE PRESERVATION OF TREE CANOPY.

SO, IF I WAS STANDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF STATE ROAD 13 LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET, THIS IS A RENDERING TO TRY TO GIVE US A FEEL OF WHAT THE CANOPY WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE EXISTING TREELINE THAT'S ON THE SITE NOW TO GIVE THAT SCALE AND HEIGHT AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE RESERVED BEHIND THE CANOPY BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE SINGULAR USE OF WHAT YOU SEE. WE HAVE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE COMING IN TO SCALE. THEN THE NUMBER OF OUR 12 PUMPS THAT REPRESENT OUR CANOPY AREA AND THEN OUR STORE. AND THIS IS OUR ACCESSORY CAR WASH. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST OUR TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE WALKED THROUGH. IT'S IN YOUR STAFF AMENDMENT. IT BREAKS OUT THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT MAKES THAT PRESCRIPTION TO GAIN THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN, ALL THE COMPONENTS, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT SITE PLAN IS BROUGHT FORWARD. SINCE OUR FILING IN 2016, THE COMMUNITY WORKED WITH THE COUNTY AND YOU, THE PLANNING BOARD, AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION TO ADOPT A NEW RULE FOR UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS RELATING TO GAS STATIONS. SO THAT WAS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF SHOWING OUR COMPLIANCE FOR THIS SITE. MOVING FORWARD, CAN IT BE DONE, WHAT'S THAT PART. AND ALSO PROVING OUT WHY THE SITE MAKES SENSE. AGAIN, THIS IS CENTERED ON THE LOCATION OF THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS. THIS REPRESENTS THE COUNTY'S STANDARD FOR THE 300 FOOT RADIUS FROM THOSE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL THE LOCATION OF -- THIS IS FRUIT COVE ESTATES. AND THE POLICY THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD HAVE THAT YOU NEED TO BE SEPARATED BY 300 FEET FROM ANY LAND THAT'S ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL OR ANY PORTION OF A PUD THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. SO THOSE TWO PIECES COME IN TO PLAY HERE TO THE WEST THEN HERE TO THE EAST WHEN YOU GET INTO JULINGTON CREEK. THIS IS THE PITCH A PENNY WITH THEIR USES.

THEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL. SO WE COMPLY. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON THIS PIECE, THAT'S VERY INTENTIONAL AS TO WHERE THE GAS STATION CANOPIES AND TANKS ARE LOCATED, AND IT ACTIONS AS A PIVOT POINT. WE HAVE THAT MEET THAT CRITERIA. THAT'S WHERE THE STORE CANOPY IS LOCATED. THAT'S WHERE THE STORE ITSELF IS LOCATED. BECAUSE IT DICTATES THE OTHER PARTS OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW THE SITE IS LAID OUT. SHOWING COMPLIANCE WITH THIS STANDARD OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE HAS BEEN THE KIND OF GENESIS BEHIND THAT WERE CONCERNS ABOUT PROXIMITY TO THIS TYPE OF USE AND HOW IT WOULD HELP, HOW IT WOULD INFLUENCE, WHETHER YOU COULD RESELL YOUR HOME, CERTAIN LENDERS, ET CETERA. ALSO SOME FEARS ABOUT WHAT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL POTENTIAL, WOULD THERE BE ANY CONCERN WITH THAT. SO, WE'VE PUT UP HERE THE SITE FOR DEPP WHERE FOLKS CAN LOOK AT OUR PROVIDER, DAILY'S AND SEE THEIR TRACK RECORD HOW THEY BEHAVE.

THAT'S COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT IN TECHNOLOGY HAS ADVANCED TO THE POINT THAT KIND OF THE FEAR-BASED EXPECTATION OF GAS STATIONS OF PRIOR DECADES ARE NOT THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT SITES ARE PERMITTED UNDER NOW. SO, BY WHEN YOU COUPLE IT WITH LOCAL REGULATIONS THAT ADD ON THAT OTHER AREA OF HAVING 300 FOOT SEPARATION THAT HELPS ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

BUT THAT'S UP THERE, THAT HYPERLINK, SO FOLKS CAN CHECK THAT OUT AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPERATORS. THE ENTIRE SMALL SCALE LAND USE AMENDMENT PACKAG INCLUDES A CONSISTENCY ANALSY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE ELEMENTS IN THE PLAN. THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY DEALS WITH AMENDMENTS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND IT'S WORTH JUST NOTING FORWARD AND BRINGING IT IN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ON ONE SIDE THE POLICY BREAKS IT OUT IN COMPONENTS. ON THE OTHER SIDE THIS IS HOW WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THIS POLICY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AMENDING YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WE ARE WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT AREA. THIS IS A STORY OF CHANGING FROM COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL AND LIMITING SIGNIFICANTLY THE AMOUNT OF INTENSITY FOR SPECIFIC USE AND THEN ADDING IN PRESCRIPTIONS TO HAVE A HIGH PERFORMING SITE. THE GROWTH TRENDS IN THIS AREA ARE SHOWN BY JUST THROUGH THE WALK OF TIME OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THIS CORRIDOR AND THE APPROVALS FROM STATE ROAD 13 AT JULINGTON CREEK BRIDGE DOWN TO ROBERT'S ROAD AND

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COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS PERMITTED AT THIS SITE AT AN ANENCETY WHICH IS GREATER THAN WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.

THERE IS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. THIS IS REPRESENTED BY OUR FINAL CERTIFICATE OF CONCURRENCY WHICH ADDRESSES WATER, SEWER, SOLID WASTE. AND WHEN WE LOOK FOR DEVELOPMENT, REALLY WHERE THERE'S BEEN ANY BACKLOG TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT FOR ROADS. THIS IS INFILL PIECE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

THEN THE SITE RESTRICTS IT IS INTENSITY. WE'RE EXCEEDING WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AS OPEN SPACE FOR THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL SITE.

AND IN DOING SO WE PROVIDE ENHANCEMENT WITH THE TREES THAT AGAIN FITS INTO RESPECTS THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE PROPERTY AND RESPECTS THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE ARE SITES IN YOUR PACKET THAT SHOW COMPARABLE PROPERTY VALUES AND RESELL VALUES OF HOMES AROUND THE DALEY STORE ON RACE TRACK ROAD. THOSE HOMES RANGE FROM -- AND THESE ARE SALES FROM 2017 TO 2019 JUST RECENT SALES THAT YOU CAN LOOK YOURSELF ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE. THAT HOMES WERE SELLING WITHIN THAT AREA FROM $325,000 TO $169,000 FOR TOWN HOMES. IN THAT AREA OF JULINGTON CREEK, THEN ON RACE TRACK ROAD THAT SITES 1.6 ACRES AND THE HOMES AROUND THAT AREA HAVE BEEN SELLING AT THOSE HIGH MARKET VALUES. SO THAT DOESN'T PROVE OUT FOR ANY NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO CONCLUDE WITH SOME REMINDERS AND COLORIZING WHAT THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IS ABOUT. THIS IS AN INFILL PIECE.

THE LAST ON STATE ROAD 13 ESTABLISHED IN FRUIT COVE. THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE URBAN SECTION OF STATE ROAD 13. IT COMPLIES WITH THE SCENIC HIGHWAY STANDARDS REGARDING LANDSCAPING.

OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE. WE'RE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR WHICH IS BURGEONING GROWTH AREA OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S REPRESENTED BY OVER 28,000 VEHICLES PER DAY THAT TRAVEL ON STATE ROAD 13. AND WE'VE PROVIDED FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS TO THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE ON STATE ROAD 13. THERE WERE SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR STROLL. AND SPRAWL LOOKS AT WHEN YOU HAVE JUMPED AWAY FROM YOUR DEVELOPMENT AREA. THAT'S REPRESENTED IN ST. JOHNS BY A RED LINE. WE'RE INSIDE THAT. IT'S ALSO REPRESENTED BY A DISCRETE USE THAT DOES NOT MATCH OR CONNECT TO -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEVERAL COMPONENTS -- ANY OF THE OTHER USES. AS I'VE WALKED YOU THROUGH WHAT THE CORRIDOR LOOKS LIKE. THE EXISTING GAS STATIONS IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR. THE SIMILAR USES IN THE CORRIDOR AND THE INTENDED USES AND THE USE OF THIS SITE. SO, WITH, THAT, OUR PROPOSAL HAS LESS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY, SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING AND CAPPING THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT TO 45,000 SQUARE FEET. WE STRICTING SPECIFIC USES TO THE NORTHERN PARCEL TO THOSE IN THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE DISTRICT.

LIMITING AND EXEMPTING CERTAIN USES FROM COMMERCIAL GENERAL ON THE SOUTHERN PARCEL. REDUCING ACCESS ON TO STATE ROAD 13 AND OTOE'S PLACE. PROVIDING FOR INNER-CONNECTIVITY BOTH ON A PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE ARE NATURE. PROVIDING FOR DEVELOPMENT EDGES AND SCENE ICK BUFFERING. AND UTILIZING THAT SITE TO PROVIDE OVER NEARLY HALF THE SITE AN OPEN SPACE FOR TREE PRESERVATION BUT ALSO TO REFLECT WHAT HAS BEEN GROWN ON THE SITE AND SOLD COMMERCIALS WITH THE NURSERY. WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THE AGENCY MAY HAVE. AND OUR TEAM MEMBERS ARE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR DO WE WANT TO HOLD THOSE UNTIL WE'VE GOT PUBLIC COMMENT TAKEN CARE OF? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTAND WE GOT SOME PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS

>> WE ARE NOW IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS LEGISLATIVE HEARING. WE DO HAVE TWO DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES TO SPEAK. MR. AL WHO REPRESENTS THE WILLIAM SCENIC HIGHWAY GROUP. AND MR. HARRY FAIRFIELD WHO REPRESENTS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY WHO HAVE CREEDED THEIR TIME. HE WILL SPEAK FOR TEN MINUTES. ANY OF THESE TIMEFRAMES MAY BE EXTENDED BY THE CHAIR FOR GOOD CAUSE. IF YOUR NAME WAS ON THE LIST PROVIDED YOU HAVE CREEDED YOUR TIME TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY OTHER PERSON WHO IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THESE TWO DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES HAVE 3 MINUTES. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. TRAV ATELLA? PLEASE APPROACH.

SPEAKER: AL HOB ATELLO. I LIVE AT 1133 RIVER BIRCH ROAD IN ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA. I'M ALSO CHAIRMAN OF THE WILLIAM BARTRAM

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YOU'VE GOT TO REALIZE THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS CURRENTLY PRESENTED TO YOU, AS FAR AS THE NEW PLAN BEING PRESENTED BY THE DALEY'S PEOPLE, IT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA. YOU ALSO KNOW THAT FRUIT COVE ESTATES IS IMMEDIATELY IN BACK OF WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PROPOSED. THAT WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES. AND I DO HAVE SOME STATISTICAL INFORMATION, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING IT, AS TO WHAT THE CURRENT VALUES ARE.

AND THEN AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THEY WILL BE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME, WOULD YOU BE REALLY INTERESTED IN LOOKING IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A BIG BRIGHTLY LIT GAS STATION THAT'S OPENED 24 HOURS A DAY? WOULD YOU WANT THAT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? AND WOULD YOU SPEND THE $400,000 AVERAGE PRICE OF THAT COMMUNITY? LIKELIHOOD IS NOT. BUT THEN EVERYONE'S AN INDIVIDUAL. THIS IS A 24 HOUR, 24 PUMP GAS STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE, CAR WASH AND BRIGHT THREATS ARE NOT SEEN DURING THE DAY BUT THEY ARE EXTREMELY VISIBLE AT NIGHT TIME. AS YOU TRAVEL SOUTHBOUND ON STATE ROAD 13 AFTER DARK, THIS IS A SHINING BRIGHT LIGHT WHICH IS OBJECTIONABLE. BECAUSE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY SOUTHWARD IS TRULY AN ENJOYABLE TRIP BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF TREES. WHILE THERE MAY BE RESIDENCES THERE ARE NO BASIC COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO RUIN THE AMBIENCE OF THE FRUIT COVE ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS PROPERTY VALUES. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY. THERE ARE ALREADY THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE. IS IT NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY? WELL THE FACT THERE'S ALREADY 116 GAS PUMPS, 11 CONVENIENCE STORES AND 4 CAR WASHES IN THE FOUR MILE RADIUS. BUT THERE'S ALSO A DAILY'S STATION ON A RACE TRACK ROAD ONLY 2.3 MILES AWAY. WHAT IS THE NEED IN THIS AREA OTHER THAN MAKING MORE MONEY, PERHAPS, MAKING USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY PURCHASED. BUT THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES. IN FACT THEY'RE ALREADY PERMITTED PLAN BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE GAS STATIONS. BUT THEY'RE INSISTING ON GAS STATIONS. ALL THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THE PZA HAS CONDITIONED THEM IN THE FIRST TIME AROUND WITH GAS STATIONS.

FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. AND NOW THEY INSIST ON A GAS STATION. A BRIGHTLY LIT. WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE ALREADY PERMITTED. SO, WHY DON'T THEY BUILD THE ITEM THEY'RE CURRENTLY PERMITTED FOR? LIKELIHOOD IS IT'S FOR A PURE PROFIT MOTIVE.

THAT WILL BE TOUCHED ON LATER BY OTHER SPEAKERS. OUR OPINION ALSO FROM SCENIC HIGHWAY POINT OF VIEW, IT'S A DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY. TRAFFIC AND POTENTIAL FIRE HAZARDS FROM GAS STATIONS ARE WELL-KNOWN WHICH I BELIEVE WILL BE TOUCHED ON LATER ALSO. I BELIEVE A TRAFFIC DEATH ON STATE ROAD 13 IN THAT AREA IN 2018 OR WAS IT 19 I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THE LEFT TURN OUT OF OTOE'S PLACE, WHICH IS FRUIT COVE ESTATES, IS ALREADY HAZARDOUS. TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE TO GO NORTHBOUND WHERE ALL THE, AS YOU KNOW THE MAJORITY OF JOBS ARE IN THE DIE VALE AREA -- DUVAL AREA, IT IS A HAZARD. AND GOING SOUTHBOUND IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY BETTER. IF THERE'S AN AUTOMOBILE EXITING OUT OF THE GAS STATION ON OTOE'S ROAD TO MAKE A SOUTHBOUND TURN, THIS IS NEGATIVE ASPECT ALSO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY. AS IT TURNS OUT, THE COUNTY ITSELF, IN THE PACKAGE THAT YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE, SAYS -- LOOKS AT POLICY A.2. IT IS UNCLEAR IN THEIR OPINION HOW A CONVENIENCE STORE ACHIEVES THAT POLICY. STAFF IS ALSO CONCERNED IN YOUR PACKAGE WITH ADDED INTENSITY ON THIS SECTION OF STATE ROAD 13. AND STAFF ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF IS OF THE OPINION TO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND

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SPEAKER: YES I CAN. SO THAT'S ALL THE IMPORTANT THINGS.

THERE'S ALREADY -- THEY'RE APPROVED OR AT LEAST CAN BUILD A FACILITY THERE BUT WITHOUT A GAS STATION. WHY DON'T THEY JUST BUILD THAT THING? AND THERE'S A HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED BY YOU THE COUNTY COMMISSION. OR THE COUNTY PZA. AND AS FAR AS THE FINDING OF FACTS ARE CONCERNED? -- CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: SIR, PLEASE. PLEASE RESPECT US. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS. EVERYONE DESERVES TO GET THEIR TIME UP HERE. SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT NEXT SPEAKER

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS HARRY FAIRFIELD. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THERE'S A MAGIC CAMERA IF YOU PUT IT ON THAT ANGLED PIECE OF WOOD IT WILL SHOW UP ON THE SCREEN.

SPEAKER: THANK YOU >> AND THERE'S A MICROPHONE THAT'S RIGHT OVER THERE. YOU CAN JUST SPEAK THROUGH THAT INSTEAD OF GOING TO ONE OF THE PODIUMS. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: YOU ARE TOUCHING THE MICROPHONE. SPEAKER: CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: YOU MIGHT WANT TO DIRECT A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE.

SPEAKER: CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? OKAY. EXCELLENT. MY NAME IS HARRY FAIRFIELD. I AM A RESIDENT OF FRUIT COVE ESTATE SUBDIVISIONS AND A MEMBER OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. I RESIDE AT 1466 OTOE'S PLACE. I AM ALSO A RETIRED FEDERALLY AND STATE CERTIFIED REALLY APPRAISER WITH 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE. I HAVE OVER 160 HOURS OF CLASSROOM EDUCATION, 2,000 HOURS OF INTERNSHIP, OVER 200 HOURS OF CONTINUING EDUCATION INCLUDING HUD, DIRECT LENDER, CERTIFICATION. I WAS PRE-APPROVED FOR FAA LOANS. I WOULD LIKE THIS DOCUMENT TO BE PUT IN TO THE RECORDS. ACCEPTABLE

>> JUST KEEP GOING. WE'LL TAKE IT OUT AFTERWARDS.

SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THIS HAPPENED I THOUGHT WAIT A MINUTE THIS IS NOT RIGHT. I DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE. THE FIRST THING I NOTICED IS WHEN WE PULLED IN I THOUGHT THE HOUSES MATCH THE ENTRANCE. WE'RE GOING TO BUY A HOUSE HERE. I TOOK A LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT I COULD.

I PULLED ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE DECLARATIONS OF COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS. I LOOK AT THE HOA DOCUMENTS. I EVEN PULLED ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE NURSERY BECAUSE I KNEW THIS HIGHEST AND BEST USE WAS NOT GOING TO BE A NURSERY. I TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT THE ZONING WAS AND SAID WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE EXCELLENT. SOME NICE LITTLE RETAIL SHOPS OTHER THAN INTRUDING IN ON OTOE'S PLACE I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA. I THOUGHT -- SO WHEN I SAW THIS I THOUGHT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. AND BLESS YOUR HEARTS, YOU DIDN'T. SO I AM GOING TO CONDUCT AN APPRAISAL. AND THESE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. I WOULD LIKE THIS DOCUMENT ALSO TO BE PUT IN.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON IS WHAT'S CALLED AN EXTURN AT.

THINGS OFF THE PROPERTY BUT AFFECT VALUE. THEY CAN BE POSITIVE. THEY CAN ENHANCE THE VALUE. THEY CAN BE NEGATIVE.

AND THEY CAN DETRACT FROM THE VALUE. AND THEY CAN JUST HAVE NO EFFECT WHATEVER ON VALUE. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DETERMINING MARKET VALUE. HERE'S THE DEFINITION. THE MOST PROBABLE PRICE A PROPERTY WILL BRING IN A COMPETITIVE AND OPEN MARKET UNDER ALL CONDITIONS REQUISITE TO A FAIR SALE. BUYER AND SELLER EACH ACTING PRUDENTLY AND KNOWLEDGEBLY AND ASSUMING PRICE IS NOT AFFECTED BY UNDUE STIPULATION. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE SELLERS KNOW WHAT THEY GOT. THE BUYER KNOWS WHAT'S AVAILABLE. AND THAT'S HOW THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE.

NOW, IF IT'S AN FAA APPRAISAL, IT HAS EXTRA THINGS. AND I WANT THESE DOCUMENTS ALSO. THE APPRAISER MUST EVALUATE WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS FREE OF HAS ARIDS, GROSSLY OFFENSIVE SIGHTS OR EXCESSIVE NOISE THAT MAY ENDANGER THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS, AFFECT THE LIVABILITY OF THE PROPERTY, EFFECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OCCUPANTS. HERE IS THE DEFINITION OF EXTURNALITIES. OFF SITE CONDITIONS THAT AFFECT THE PROPERTY'S VALUE. INCLUDING HEAVY TRAFFIC. I WON'T GO THROUGH AIRPORT NOISE AND THINGS LIKE PROXIMITY TO HIGH PRESSURE GAS LINES. SMOKE, FUMES, AND OTHER OFFENSIVE ODORS AND

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HUD THEN GOES ON TO SAY THE APPRAISER MUST NOTE READILY OBSERVABLE DEFICIENCIES SUCH AS A DUMP, JUNKYARD, LANDFILL, FACTORY, GAS STATION, OR DRY CLEANING OPERATION WITHIN ONE QUARTER OF A MILE. THERE ARE ABOUT FOUR DOZEN PROPERTIES THAT FIT THAT DESCRIPTION. HAVE TO DEAL WITH HEAVY TRAFFIC. HAVE TO DEAL WITH SMOKE AND NOXIOUS ODORS. FHA IS SAYING YOU BETTER DO WHAT WE SAY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND THESE ARE ALL THE PENALTIES WHICH GO UP TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. FANNIE MAE IS THE SOURCE THAT ALL APPRAISERS THAT ARE DOING APPRAISALS THAT ARE TO BE MARKETABLE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE FEDERALLY REGULATED INSTITUTION, THE LENDER, CAN SELL THIS IN THE OPEN MARKET IF IT ADD HERES TO FANNIE MAE ADDLINES. AND I WANT TO PRESENT THESE FANNIE MAE GUIDELINES WHICH TELL THE APPRAISER, YOU BETTER DO WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BECAUSE WE'RE WATCHING. HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF UNACCEPTABLE APPRAISAL PRACTICES. DEVELOPMENT AND/OR REPORTING AN OPINION OF MARKET VALUE THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY MARKET DATA OR MISLEADING. MISREPRESENTATION OF PHYSICAL CHARACTERS. FAILURE TO COMMENT ON NEGATIVE FACTORS WITH RESPECT TO THE SUBJECT TORNADO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHEN NEEDED. WE'RE GOING DO AN APPRAISAL. THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SUPPLY A GREAT NUMBER OF MAPS. ON PAGE 47 I FOUND THIS MAP. IT'S NOISE AND COLORFUL. IT SHOWS YOU ALL THE PROPERTIES IN FRUIT COVE ESTATES, ALL THE PROPERTIES IN FRUIT COVE FOREST. ADDITIONALLY, I FOUND ANOTHER MAP. AND THIS ONE WAS ABSOLUTELY GREAT. YOUNG LADY SAID THAT THERE IS A 300 FOOT SEPARATION. WELL, HERE IS YOUR MAP AND CIRCLED ARE ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE WITHIN THREE HUNDRED FEET OF THIS GAS STATION. SO, THERE IS NO SEPARATION. THE OTHER THING THAT THE APPLICANT SAID WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WAS A GAS STATION. THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOU CAN LOOK UP THE UNIFORM STANDARDS OF PROFESSIONAL APPRAISAL PRACTICE AND THAT'S GOING TO TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE ZONE THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS ANOTHER ZONE. THAT IS NOT IN THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE DEFINITION. THE APPLICANT MENTIONED SALES AROUND THE RACE TRACK ROAD DALEY STATION. WHAT SHE DIDN'T BOTHER TO TELL YOU IS HOW FAR THAT STATION IS FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SO, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE. WHAT WE'RE GOING DO IS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. THE VERY FIRST ONE ON TAMERRON PLACE. SO, TO DETERMINE MARKET VALUE WE NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO BUYERS THINK. WHAT TURNS BUYERS ON. WHAT TURNS BUYERS OFF. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT HOW DO BUYERS LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BIG GAS STATION? WE KNOW IT'S AN EXTURN ATE. WE KNOW IT'S INCURRABLE.

INCURRABLE MEANS YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO THE FIRST THING WE FIND IS A STUDY FROM COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH WHICH SAYS THE VAPORS COMING FROM GAS STATION VENT PIPES ARE TEN TIMES MORE THAN THEY THOUGHT. HERE IS AN FHA APPRAISER WHO IS ANSWERING A QUESTION SENT IN BY A READER.

IT SAYS DOES FHA PREVENT RESIDENCES FROM WITHIN THREE HUNDRED FEET OF GAS STATIONS? AND IT SAYS, YEAH, BASICALLY, THEY DO. WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THAT 300 FOOT FROM A STATIONARY TANK GOES BACK -- IT WAS THERE WHEN I STARTED IN THE EARLY '90S. SO, IT'S DECADES OLD. AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS PEOPLE HAVE RECOGNIZED THE UNIQUE ISSUES CREATED BY THESE MEGA-STATIONS AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE STATION NOW AND NOT JUST THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK. SO, HERE'S ANOTHER LETTER. GENTLEMAN SAYS MY WIFE AND I ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND 30 DAYS

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THEIR BEDROOM IS 30 FEET FROM THE LOT LINE OF THE GAS STATION.

THEIR AIR CONDITIONING UNIT IS 60 FEET FROM THE GAS STATION.

SO, HERE IS ANOTHER WEBSITE THAT SAYS TEN INDUSTRIES THAT DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES THE MOST. CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS STATIONS. AND THERE'S AN EXPLANATION WHY. AND THEIR REFERENCE SOURCE IS ZILLOW. THE MOST COMMONLY USED SITE. HERE IS BANK TRACKER. AND IT SAYS WHEN IT COMES TO REAL ESTATE MOST BUYERS UNDERSTAND THAT THE THREE LITTLE MAGIC WORDS -- LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. WHAT SHOULD YOU NOT BUY A HOUSE AROUND? NUMBER 12 IS A GAS STATION. NUMBER 13 IS ANYTHING THAT'S OPEN 24 HOURS. WHAT LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION MEANS, THIS IS FROM A REALTOR, YOU CAN BUY THE RIGHT HOUSE IN THE WRONG LOCATION. HERE'S THE THINGS THAT YOU LOOK FOR. TOP RATED SCHOOLS.

GOT THAT. RECREATION AND NATURE. GOT THAT. VIEWS. GOT THAT.

ENTERTAINMENT AND SHOPPING. GOT THAT. CONFORMING AREAS. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE WHERE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THEM LIVE.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: SIR IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP.

SPEAKER: HOMES NEXT TO GAS STATIONS OR SHOPPING CENTERS ARE UNDESIRABLE BECAUSE OF THE NOISE FACTOR. NO ONE WANTS TO LISTEN TO TRUCK ENGINES IDLING AT NIGHT.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: YOU GOT 30 SECONDS.

SPEAKER: ZILLOW. GAS STATION. 5,000 FIRES A YEAR. $20 MILLION IN DAMAGE. HERE'S A FIRE HERE. THIS IS FROM AN ENGINEERING COMPANY. AND THIS ONE IS THE SHELL FIRST ENERGY AT 1048 LOCATED AT 10910 BAY MEADOWS ROAD HAS A LEAKING GAS STORAGE TANK AND THE LINK IS EXTENDED OUT 350 FEET. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE -- CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: SIR, I GOT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME HERE. I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. SO, 10 SECONDS. SPEAKER: THIS LAST ONE THEY'VE HAD A LEAKING GAS TANK SINCE THE 1980S. EXCUSE ME, YEAH, 1980S.

RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: OKAY WE GOT IT. I GET IT. AGAIN, PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF THIS. SPEAKER: I WILL.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SPEAKER: WE'LL JUST PRESENT THE REST OF IT TO THE COMMISSION.

CAN THESE THINGS BE INCLUDED. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT.

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU SIR. WHEN YOU AN APPRAISER IN FLORIDA? SPEAKER: NO I WAS AN APPRAISER IN GEORGIA AND THERE'S RECIPROCITY BETWEEN GEORGIA AND FLORIDA. WE ALL HAVE TO PLAY BY THE EXACT SAME RULES.

DIRECTOR: I WAS AN APPRAISER IN FLORIDA. I'VE NEVER SEEN AN APPRAISAL DONE LIKE THAT. I'VE APPRAISED THOUSANDS OF HOUSES.

SPEAKER: I HAVE TOO. DONE LIKE WHAT? BOARD MEMBER: THERE'S NO MARKET DATA. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT HAS HOUSES AFFECTED. SPEAKER: AS AN PRAISER YOU KNOW THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IS IF YOU HAVE A BASE WHERE YOU CAN SAY OKAY HERE'S WHERE THIS SITUATION HAPPENED BEFORE AND IT WAS A FIVE PERCENT REDUCTION IN MARKET VALUE OR IT WAS A TEN PERCENT REDUCTION. BOARD MEMBER: DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA THAT SUPPORTS THE CLAIM THERE WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN VALUE BASED OFF THAT? PUBLIC SPEAKER: NO IT'S ALL BASED UPON THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BUY A HOUSE NEXT TO A GAS STATION. BOARD MEMBER: WOODARD. I'M TALKING ABOUT DATA. DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: NO. BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: HOW MANY SPEAKER CARDS DO WE HAVE

>> MANY. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE LINES FORM TO EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS

>> THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIR. SURE, IF YOU KNOW YOU TURNED IN A SPEAKER CARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, THE ISSUE IS THAT THE WAY THEY LINE UP MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE THE SAME ORDER AS YOU CALL THEM. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT 10. ANYMORE PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS COMING FORWARD? I SEE NONE. LET'S JUST DO IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY. WE'LL CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME FORWARD, APPROACH THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD THEN JOHN WILL GIVE YOU

THREE MINUTES. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LYNN GRAYSON. PLEASE COME FORWARD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON.

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I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS HERE IDENTIFIED THAT DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER GAS STATION IN THIS AREA. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ARE SATURATED WITH THIS TYPE OF -- THESE TYPE OF FACI FACILITIES. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION THAT DALEY'S HAS BEEN PERMITTED ABOUT TWO-AND-A-HALF MILES AWAY ON SAN JOSE AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE ADDITION OF THE DALEY'S AT RACE TRACK AND LOWER BRANCH. SO, SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE THE AREA PRETTY WELL COVERED. AND I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR ANOTHER ONE AT THAT LOCATION ON ROUTE 13. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GAIL PHILLIPS.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CHART AND IT GOES ON -- CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. MY NAME IS GAIL PHILLIPS. I LIVE AT 1470 OTOE'S PLACE IN ST. JOHNS, 3325 IF FRUIT COVE ESTATES. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU VOTE NO TO THIS PROPOSAL AT THIS LOCATION. AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR PROPOSAL FROM THEIR MEETING IN JULY FROM 24 PUMPS TO 12. THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ONLY. I ALSO HEARD THE WORD IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY OF SELF-RESTRICTING. WHAT DOES THAT TELL US THAT THEY COULD NOT AT WIL CHANGE TO 24 PUMPS IN THE FUTURE? AND ADD A DRIVE-THRU, A FAST-FOOD RESTAURANT? SO, I WONDER ABOUT THAT. THIS PARTICULAR IS A LITTLE STUDY OF A NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS AND THE NUMBER OF PUMPS IN AN AREA FROM ROBERTS ROAD ALL THE WAY TO T TWO -- 295. WITHIN THAT THERE'S 116. WITHIN 2.5 MILES OF THIS NOT INCLUDING THE NEW PROPOSED STATION AT MARGON IS 84. SO WE FEEL THERE IS NOT A NEED FOR ANOTHER GAS STATION IN THIS AREA. OKAY. ALSO THERE WAS MENTION OF DALEY'S ON RACE TRACK ROAD. IT IS A VERY NICE LOOKING GAS STATION. IT REALLY IS. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T BACK UP OR IT IS NOT ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THERE ARE OFFICES, A PRESCHOOL, A WALGREENS, ALL SURROUNDING IT.

IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING THAT LOOKS NICE AND IT IS RIGHT OFF OF A ROAD. I NOTICED IN LOOKING -- HERE'S A CHART BUT I ALSO WENT AND LOOKED UP SAN JOSE. AND I LOOKED FOR 24 PUMP GAS STATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD THEY WANTED TO DO WHEN I WENT TO THE MEETING IN JULY. AND THE ONLY ONE I COULD FIND ANYWHERE WAS AT THE CORNER OF SUN BEAM ROAD AND SAN JOSE.

THERE WAS ONE MORE DALEY'S AND ONE FOR GATE. SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT. ALSO, THERE'S A PERILOUS STRETCH OF STATE ROAD 13, FROM JULYINGTON CREEK BRIDGE TO THE PLANTATION ENTRANCE. THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO TRAFFIC DIFFICULTY AND A LACK OF SAFETY

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CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU MA'AM.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: OKAY. FOR THE RESIDENTS AND SO FORTH WE DO NOT WANT THE GAS STATION. WE DO NOT WANT THE 24 HOURS AND SO FORTH.

SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

UP NEXT >> NEXT IS BRAD SMITH. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND I DRESS FOR THE RECORD.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: HI. BRAD SMITH. I LIVE AT 1467 TAMARAN PLACE IN FRUIT COVE ESTATES. WE MOVED HERE IN 1989 AND MY WIFE AND I MOVED BACK IN 2001. WE LOOKED AROUND FOR HOUSES AND FOUND THE HOUSE IN FRUIT COVE ESTATES. WE LOOKED AROUND THE NURSERY. WE FOUND OUT THINGS THAT WOULD BE COMING THERE. WE ORIGINALLY LIVED OVER ON ESTATES ROAD SO WE WERE THERE AND THEY STARTED DEVELOPING SO WE KNEW DEVELOPMENT WAS COMING. WE LOOKED AROUND AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY AT SOME POINT IN FRONT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE WAS A 75,000 SQUARE FOOT NEIGHBORHOOD APPROVED. I'VE HAD THIS SPEECH WRITTEN AND MOST OF IT YOU HAVE HEARD SO I'M AB LIBING. WE WERE PROMISED ICE CREAM STORE, SHOPS, LAWYERS, DOCTORS, OFFICES ALL THE THINGS I HEAR THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THE CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY. GIVE THEM A REASON TO STAY. THREE YEARS AGO AS YOU KNOW THEY CAME HERE AND THEY PROPOSED A GAS STATION AND A FAST-FOOD RESTAURANT AND SOME OTHER THINGS. AND IT WAS DENIED. WELL, THEY'VE COME BACK WITH A NEW PLAN, A NEW PROPOSAL, A NEW DRAWING THAT SAYS THIS IS A GAS STATION AND WE'RE GOING DO THESE THINGS. WELL, WE HAD COUPLES COME THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THE OTHER DAY. THEY ASKED ABOUT THE ARMED SIGNS. WE TOLD THEM ABOUT THE PROPOSAL AND THEY TOOK THEIR CHILDREN AND LEFT. SAID NO WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN COMING IF THERE'S A GAS STATION. SO I STARTED LOOKING AT THE FIVE-AND-A-HALF ACRE PROPOSED GAS STATION THAT THEY'VE SHOWN US TODAY. THE AVERAGE SIZE OF A DALEY'S OR GATE STATION OR RACE TRACK WHICH SHE REFERRED TO EARLIER, IS ABOUT 1.6 ACRES ACCORDING TO WHAT I FOUND. I'M HERE TODAY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE -- THIS IS A PROPOSAL. BUT THEIR PLAN AMENDMENT IF WE LOOK AT THE AMENDMENT, IT DOESN'T REFERENCE A GAS STATION. IT DOESN'T REFERENCE THE TREES OR THE SETBACKS OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS. IT ONLY REFERENCES THEM BEING ALLOWED TO BUILD FAST-FOOD DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANTS WHICH WE DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WANT THAT IN THERE. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT HOW MANY PUMPS, HOW MANY GAS STATIONS. THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE ANY ASSURANCE THAT WHAT IS TRYING TO BE PASSED IS WHAT WE WILL WIND UP GETTING. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT CAN BE ADDED OR WAYS THINGS CAN BE CHANGED TO GIVE US MORE ASSURANCE THAT WHATEVER GETS THROUGH HERE AND IF IT GETS THROUGH THE NEXT STEP DOESN'T WIND UP BEING PARCELLED OUT AND SOLD OFF AND WE GET TWO FAST-FOOD RESTAURANTS AND A SMALL GAS STATION. SECOND IS THE TRAFFIC. THE 2000 CARS A DAY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER FOR THE NORTHBOUND SIDE.

SHE WENT AROUND THAT AND DIDN'T SHOW ON HER DRAWING ALL THE CARS THAT COME IN CAN ONLY TURN LEFT BUT TO GET OUT THEY HAVE TO COME ON OTOE'S AND GO FORTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

>> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PHYLLIS AB ATELLO.

PUBLIC PUBLIC SPEAKER: PHYLLIS AB ATELLO. 1133 RIVER BIRCH ROAD. I HAVE HERE ONE OF THE MAPS OF ALL OF THE GAS STATIONS AROUND THE AREA. SO, YOU CAN SEE THAT BASICALLY HAVING ANOTHER ONE NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, IT'S GOING TO CREATE FOR US, DOESN'T DO A THING. 82% OF THE FIRES HAPPEN AT GAS STATION. 82% ARE VEHICLE FIRES AND THEY OCCUR IN PASSENGER VEHICLES AND ACCOUNTED FOR NEARLY 50% OF CIVILIAN

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THAT'S UNGODLY. AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN SAY DIFFERENTLY TO THAT. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? WELL, IT'S PEOPLE. THEY FOUND A GATE GENTLEMAN RIGHT NEXT TO THE GS PUMP AND HE WAS A WORKER AND HE IS SMOKING. THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS. WE HAVE ALSO -- THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW THE CAUSE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS. WELL IT'S CARELESSNESS. IT'S CARELESSNESS BY EVERYBODY. THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION AND FIRE AT B. P. GAS STATION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHICH LEFT A MAN WITH SEVERE BURNS. AND I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THIS PICTURE.

THAT'S THE FIRE ON FLORIDA 16 IN MASTERS DRIVE. THAT'S ONE OF THEM. THERE WAS A VOLKS WAG BE CONVERTIBLE THAT WENT UP IN NAMES IN ARLINGTON NEAR ACCESSORY BOULEVARD. IT WAS AT A DIFFERENT GAS STATION. IT WAS AT TIGER MOBILE GAS STATION IN ARLINGTON. A FIRE BURNS AT POWERS AVENUE GAS STATION. THEY ACTUALLY CALLED A -- THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CALLDAWAY THE FIREMEN FROM A WAREHOUSE FIRE TO GO TO THIS FIRE BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLOSE TO A SCHOOL. IT WAS CLOSE TO WOLFSON HIGH SCHOOL. FIRE BREAKS OUT AT GAS STATION IN ARLINGTON EXPRESSWAY AND CAUSES LOTS OF DELAYS. HERE ARE THESE -- WE HAVE A FOUR-LANE ROAD ON THE SCENIC HIGHWAY. AND TROUBLE IS IS THAT WHEN THESE FIRES START, THE WHOLE ROADWAY IS CONGESTED. YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS RICK PIERSON. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DIDN'T GIVE ALL OF THIS.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: RICK PERSONS. I AM A RESIDENT OF FRUIT COVE ESTATES 1446 TAMARAN PLACE WHICH IS THE LAST HOME IN THE CUL-DE-SAC WHICH WILL BE SIGNIFICANT WHEN I SHOW YOU THE VIDEO. GIVE ME TWO SECONDS AS I TRY TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THIS IS WHERE THE JEOPARDY MUSIC PLAYS [LAUGHTER] PUBLIC SPEAKER: APOLOGIES, SIR.

THANKS, GUYS. EXCUSE ME FOR THE DELAY. ALL RIGHT. NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL ADDRESSES ANYTHING ABOUT THE CARE AND CONCERN ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN FRUIT COVE ESTATES. YOU HEARD MS. HAGA COMMENT THAT DRAINAGE WOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARD STATE ROAD 13.

BUT I HAVE FOOTAGE TAKEN TWO DAYS AGO DURING A SHORT RAINSTORM THAT SHOWS WATER FLOWING IN A DIFFERENT -- TOWARDS FRUIT COVE ESTATES. I GUESS YOU CAN'T HEAR THE AUDIO

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THIS WAS JUST AFTER A 15 MINUTE RAINSTORM THAT WE HAD ON OCTOBER 1ST JUST TWO DAYS AGO. THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE PROPOSED GAS STATION WOULD BE. HERE'S WHERE THE WATER IS FLOWING, TOWARDS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW THIS IS LOOKING FROM RACE TRACK OR FROM STATE ROAD 13 TOWARDS FRUIT COVE ESTATES ON OTOE'S PLACE. AS YOU CAN SEE, AFTER JUST A 15 MINUTE RAINSTORM THAT THE WATER IS ALREADY POOLING AND GOING TOWARDS A RETENTION POND.

THIS IS WHERE THE WATER WOULD BE GOING. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALREADY FILLED WITH WATER AFTER JUST 15 MINUTES. SO THIS AREA GETS PRETTY FLOODED. NOW IN 2016 WE HAD HURRICANE MATTHEW COME THROUGH. AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT MY PROPERTY LOOKED LIKE AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW CAME THROUGH. THAT'S MY FRONT DOOR AND THE WATER FLOODED DOWN. SO, ALL THE WATER AND DRAINAGE GOES IN THAT DIRECTION. HERE'S THE BACKYARD OF MY HOUSE. THAT'S OUR WELL WATER. THAT'S OUR WELL DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY DAMAGED AND WATER CAUSED OR ANY GAS LEAK THAT CAME FROM THE GAS STATION WOULD BE DRAINING DOWN INTO THIS DIRECTION AND GETTING INTO ALL THE OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE WELL WATER. WE HAVE 100% WELL WATER USAGE IN FRUIT COVE ESTATES. SO MY NEIGHBORS AND I ARE ON WELL WATER SYSTEMS AND ARE CONCERNED ANY LEAKAGE OF FUEL OR GOD FORBID A HURRICANE COULD DO SEVERE DAMAGE AND POSE UP SAFE LIVING CONDITIONS AND HARM TO OR NEIGHBORS AND THE CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE TRUST THAT THE BOARD WOULD CONCUR WITH US AND THEY WOULD NOT DEVELOP ANYTHING OF A GAS STATION. WE LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY IN THAT AREA BUT A GAS STATION WOULD NOT BE IN THAT CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU,

SIR. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER, CINDY DOLLOP. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS CINDY DUNLOP. I LIVE AT 1455 TAMARAN PLACE. I GAVE EACH OF YOU, I HOPE YOU GOT IT, A BLUE AND GREEN FOLDER. I'M GOING TO TALK REALLY FAST BECAUSE I CAN'T FIT EVERYTHING IN TO THREE MINUTES.

I THINK ONE OF THE MOST TANGIBLE CONCERNS IS WE'RE ON PRIVATE WELLS AS RICK JUST STATED. ABULLED AN EPA REPORT WHICH IS IN YOUR FILE BECAUSE I'M TAKING EXCERPTS FROM IT. AND THEY DO IT EVERY SIX MONTHS. THE LAST ONE WAS AS OF MARCH 31, 2019. FOR THE PRIOR SIX MONTHS THERE WERE CONFIRMED RELEASES OF 2,242 FOR THAT 6 MONTH PERIOD. 53 OF WHICH WERE IN FLORIDA. THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE NATIONALLY CONFIRMED TO DATE. 9,000 CLEAN-UPS STILL PENDING IN FLORIDA. IN FLORIDA WE'VE HAD A 58% TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE RATE DURING THAT SIX-MONTH PERIOD. WITH VARIOUS CATEGORIES LIKE SPILL PREVENTION, OVERFILL PREVENTION, ET CETERA. THE SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS I FOUND A STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN OKLAHOMA BY TWO EPA SCIENTISTS IN 2017.

IT'S VERY ON POINT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SOME OF THE EXCERPTS, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE WHOLE STUDY IN YOUR PACKET, NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF PRIVATE DOMESTIC WELL CONTAMINATION DEMONSTRATE THE POTENTIAL RISK FOR PEOPLE WHO DRINK FROM PRIVATE WELLS THE LACK OF SYSTEMATIC MONITORING LEADS TO THE POTENTIAL FOR UNDETECTED EXPOSURE OF A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. I QUOTE, THE IMPLICATIONS ARE THAT WELL OWNERS WITHIN 300 METERS, WHICH IS 984 FEET, OF A UST ARE POTENTIALLY IMPACTED IF A RELEASE OCCURS FROM THE TANK.

BECAUSE OF THESE RESULTS TANK OWNERS AND STATE AGENCY OFFICIALS SHOULD HAVE A RELATIVELY HIGH EXPECTATION A LEAKING TANK HAS THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT A RESIDENTIAL WELL. IT FURTHER STATES THAT THE MAXIMUM OBSERVED CONTAMINANT PLUME IS ON THE ORDER OF 500 METERS. IN SECTION 4 OF THE CONCLUSION OF THEIR STUDY, I QUOTE: MUNICIPALITIES CAN ALSO USE THIS

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>> NEXT SPEAKER IS KRISTEN -- I CAN'T -- PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: CHRISTIAN LIKY 1452 TAMARAN PLACE. FOR THE RECORD, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN HURRICANE EVACUATION ZONE A. WHICH MEANS THERE IS A HIGH IMPACT RISK FOR SUBSTANTIAL WIND AND WATER. SO A STUDY PUBLISHED IN OCCUPATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL MEDICINE SHOWS A CHILD LIVING NEAR A GAS STATION WILL HAVE 7.7 TIMES HIGHER LIKELIHOOD TO DEVELOP LEUKEMIA THAN IF THEY DID NOT LIVE NEAR A GAS STATION.

THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS DETERMINED THERE'S NO SAFE LEVEL OF BENZENE EXPOSURE AND MODERN SCIENCE IS IN AGREEMENT IT CAUSES CANCER. RESEARCH CONDUCTED BY COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY STATES THE SETBACK REGULATIONS OF 300 FEET FROM A GAS STATION TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ARE INADEQUATE. MEASURESMENTS WERE TAKEN AT A MIDWEST GAS STATION AND FOUND BENZENE EXPOSURE 160 METERS AWAY FROM A GAS STATION. AND THAT'S IN THE STUDY. WHEN THE WIND BLOWS IN THE DIRECTION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IT DOES THE VAPORS ARE GOING TO COME THAT WAY TOO. ALSO NEW RESEARCH DONE BY SCIENTISTS AT COLUMBIA AND JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITIES FOUND THAT BENZENE EXPOSURE THROUGH VAPORS IN THE AIR WERE TEN TIMES HIGHER THAN ASSUMED IN MODELS NORMALLY USED TO DETERMINE HOW FAR GAS STATIONS SHOULD BE PLACED AWAY FROM SENSITIVE SITES LIKE HOMES AND SCHOOLS. ALSO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GETS ALL OF OUR DRINKING WATER FROM OUR WELLS WHICH YOU SEE OR WHICH YOU ALREADY HEARD. AS RECENTLY AS 2017, I KNOW DALEY'S IS TRYING TO BE SAFE AND IT WOULD BE UNINTENTIONAL IF SOMETHING WERE TO OCCUR. BUT IN 2017 THERE WAS AN UNKNOWN LEAK FROM AN OVERFLOW TANK. AND IT WASN'T DISCOVERED UNTIL THEY DUG IT UP TO UPDATE IT. SO, WHEN THEY DUG IT UP THEY FOUND THAT IT WAS LEAKING AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE. THEY HAD TO DIG ALL THE DIRT OUT AND REMOVE IT ALL AND DISPOSE OF IT PROPERLY. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ALARMING THAT, YOU KNOW, A LEAK CAN GO ON UNNOTICED. AN ADDITIONAL SITE THAT HAD BEEN ABANDONED, IT IS CURRENTLY ABANDONED, THERE'S A DISCHARGE REPORTED ON 12-6-89 AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SITTING VACANT. IT HAS A -- IT IS A CURRENT LUST SITE. WHICH MEANS IT IS A LEAKING UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK. AND IT APPEARS TO POSSIBLY STILL BE LEAKING.

THERE WAS A REPORT DONE IN 2012 THAT INDICATES THEIR PETROLEUM IMPACTS PRESENT IN SOILS AND GROUNDWATER NEAR THE SITE. WE'RE NOT AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT A 75,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY COULD BE PUT IN THIS PLACE. AND IT SHOULD SAY SOMETHING THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THE AREA WOULD BE FOR THAT INSTEAD OF A 7,000 FOOT GAS STATION. SO WE HOPE YOU CAN SEE OUR POINTS AND AGREE WITH US ON THAT. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER, GARY MICHAEL CLAY. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: I DON'T

THINK HE IS HERE. >> CHRIS HEWITT, COME FORWARD

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PUBLIC SPEAKER: APOLOGIZE FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAD TO READ MY HANDWRITING. CHRIS HEWITT. I LIVE AT 613 IRENE COURT FRUIT COVE ESTATES. AND BASICALLY I WANT TO START BY THANKING THE AGENCY FOR IT'S TIME AND CONSIDERATION ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT THE■ AGENCY HAS TO MAKE. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. THIS IS A DECISION THAT WAS ARRIVED AT THREE YEARS AGO. WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN TOKEN CHANGES TO GET THIS BACK IN FRONT OF THE AGENCY AGAIN, THERE IS NOTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT WOULD WARRANT A REVERSAL OF THAT PREVIOUS DECISION. THAT DECISION THREE YEARS AGO WAS ROOTED IN REASON, LOGIC AND COMMONSENSE.

THERE WAS A FINDING THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOULD DEVELOP AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LESSENING THE INTENSITY OF USES TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. THE DECISION WAS RIGHT THEN.

IT'S RIGHT NOW. AND THERE WAS ALSO A FINDING THAT IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY PLAN. THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAS CHANGED IN THE THREE YEARS THAT WOULD WARRANT A REVERSAL OF THAT DECISION.

PUBLIC TRUST IN THIS PROCESS JUST LIKE ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT DEPENDS ON THE INDEPENDENCE AND CNSISTENCY OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE REACHED BY AGENCIES SUCH AS YOURS. PUBLIC TRUST IN THIS PROCESS WOULD BE UNDERMINED WERE THERE TO BE A REVERSAL OF THE PREVIOUS DECISION. TWO THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD. THERE WAS A COMPARISON TO THIS SITE WITH THE ONE ON RACE TRACK ROAD.

I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE GAS STATION ON RACE TRACK ROAD SITS IN FRONT OF A VERY, VERY LARGE COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE IT'S 5,800 HOMES AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE TO SHARE AN ENTRANCE OR EXIT WITH THAT GAS STATION. AT THE PUBLIC MEETING IT WAS ARGUED THAT SIMILAR TO THE ONE ON 210. AGAIN, THE ONE ON 210 DOES NOT HAVE TO SHARE AN ENTRANCE AND EXWITT THE GAS STATION. THE HOMEOWNERS IN THAT AREA DO NOT. AND ADDITIONALLY THAT GAS STATION IS ANCHORED BY WINN-DIXIE IN THAT SAME GENERAL SHOPPING CENTER. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. I BELIEVE FRUIT COVE ESTATES HAS 44 LOTS NOT 5,800. ANY TIME YOU ARE CALLED UPON TO MAKE THESE KIND AUF MENDMENTS, THERE'S ALWAYS A RISK OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE GOOD PEOPLE IN JACKSONVILLE, THIS WOULD MAKE STATE ROAD 13 ONE STEP CLOSER TO LOOKING LIKE BEACH BOULEVARD. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBIN CLARK. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: ROB INCLARK. 609 IRENE COURT. I'VE LIVED THERE ALMOST 17 YEARS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE REGARDING THE IMPACT OF THE GAS TANKS REQUIRED TO DEVELOP A 12 OR 24 PUMP GAS STATION AND THEIR POTENTIAL GAS LEAKS. THE 2014 STUDY SUGGESTS THAT DROPS OF FUEL SPILLED AT GAS STATIONS WHICH WE ALL KNOW FREQUENTLY OCCURS DURING ROUTINE PHILLIPS BY CONSUMERS COULD BE CAUSING ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE TO THE SOIL AND GROUNDWATER IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE STATIONS. OVER THE LIFETIME OF A GAS STATION CONCRETE PADS CAN ACCUMULATE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF GASOLINE WHICH CAN PEN STRAIGHT THE CONCRETE AND ESCAPE INTO UNDERLYING SOIL AND GROUNDWATER POTENTIALLY IMPACTING THE HEALTH OF THOSE WHO USE WELLS AS THEIR SOURCE OF WATER. IF ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE REACHES THE GROUND THIS COULD BE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF THE HARMFUL CHEMICALS INBENZENE WHICH IS A KNOWN HUMAN CAR SIN OH JEN. EXPERIENCES IN A STUDY REFERENCED EVEN THE SMALLEST SPILLS CAN HAVE LASTING IMPACT. THIS IS STILL PART OF THE SAME REPORT. THE NEW TREND IS TO BUILD LARGER FILLING STATIONS WITH MANY MORE PUMPS.

THESE STATIONS CONTINUED TO BE LOCATED NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE SOIL AND GROUNDWATER COULD BE AFFECTED. IT WAS QUOTED THAT CHRONIC GASOLINE SPILLS COULD WELL BECOME A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE WITH NEW HIGHER VOLUME RETAILERS. NOT ONLY IS

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I HAVE ANOTHER ARTICLE TO QUOTE HERE. I HAVE ANOTHER DOCUMENT WHICH REFERENCES A LAWSUIT OVER FAILED STORAGE TANKS. FIRST COAST ENERGY OTHERWISE KNOWN WHICH WOULD BE DALEY'S PURCHASED 115 STORAGE TANKS FROM A SUPPLIER, 13 OF WHICH FOUND TO BE DEFECTIVE. OF COURSE, LAWSUITS ENTAILED WERE FIRST COAST ENERGY CLAIMED IN EXCESS OF $5 MILLION IN PROPERTY DAMAGE. IN 2017 THE JUDGE DENIED PAYMENT TO FIRST COAST ENERGY BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. MY POINT IS $5 MILLION IN DAMAGE. THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE NOT ONLY DO I NOT WANT TO SEE THIS KIND OF IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT BUT I NONE NONE OF YOU DO EITHER. IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN THE FALLOUT THAT COULD OCCUR AS A RESULT OF A PERMIT THAT YOU ALL AS ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS AND MEMBERS OF THESE COMMITTEES HAD THE SOLE ABILITY TO PREVENT FROM PASSING WOULD UNDOUBTEDLY RESULT IN FLEEING ACTIVE REPERCUSSIONS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MUST ALL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION TO APPLY THE ZONING CHANGE.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PATRICIA MILLER. PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS PATRICIA MCMILLAN. I LIVE AT 1461 OTOE'S PLACE IN FRUIT COVE ESTATES. I'VE LIVED IN FRUIT COVE ESTATES FOR 15 YEARS. I LEFT DUVAL COUNTY BECAUSE MY PROPERTY WAS CONTAMINATED OFF OF SCOTT MILL ROAD. AND I DEVELOPED AUTOIMMUNE HEPATITIS AND FOUGHT IT FOR FOUR YEARS. I HAD TO LEAVE THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE WELLS AND THE CONTAMINATED WATER BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING AROUND THAT PROPERTY. I AM MORE CONCERNED -- I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD EVERYONE SPEAK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE GAS STATIONS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT TO OUR CHILDREN ON INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM OTOE'S PLACE. I DON'T KNOW THE YOUNG LADY WHO MADE THE FIRST PRESENTATION. WE WERE ALL IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE THEY WERE OUT THERE WITH THEIR CAMERAS AND THEIR EASELS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THEY DID NOT EVEN NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A CAR ACCIDENT IN THE MEDIAN WHILE THEY WERE DOING THEIR PRESENTATION. WE HAVE VERY RECENTLY HAD A FATALITY AT OUR ENTRANCE. EVERYONE GOING SOUTH HAS TO MAKE A TURN TO GO NORTH AT OUR ENTRANCE. EVERYONE GOING NORTH THAT NEEDS TO GO SOUTH MAKES THEIR TURN AT OUR ENTRANCE. EVERYONE LEAVING THE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET HAS TO GO NORTH OR SOUTH USING OUR ENTRANCE. THERE HAVE BEEN UNTOLD ACCIDENTS. OUR ENTRANCE SIGN HAS BEEN KNOCKED DOWN TWICE. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERE INJURIES. YOU CANNOT TELL ME, IF YOU PUT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC AND IN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE IMPROVING THINGS. IT'S NOT AN IMPROVEMENT. I AM AFRAID ONE OF OUR TEENAGE KIDS IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT FATALITY. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THAT EXPERIENCED OF DRIVERS. I HAVE SEEN IT TAKE UP TO 15 MINUTES TO CROSS STATE ROAD 13 TO GO NORTH. WHAT IF IT WERE YOUR CHILD AND THEY HAD TO LEAVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY COULD NOT GET ACROSS? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

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CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LISA JONES. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. PUBLIC SPEAKER: MY NAME IS LISA JONES. I LIVE AT 1426 FRUIT COVE FOREST ROAD NORTH. MY HOUSE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO OTOE'S. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE HOUSES IN BACK OF THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THOSE -- THERE USED TO BE A GOODWILL STORE, AND THAT LITTLE CONSTRUCTION AREA THAT THIS LADY WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING WRONG WITH PROPERTY VALUES. I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU, THE HOUSES THAT WERE EMPTY BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T PAY THEIR MORTGAGE OR WHATEVER, WAS LEFT VACANT FOR TWO YEARS. AND NOBODY WANTED TO SELL, I MEAN, TO BUY THE HOUSES. THE ONLY THING THERE NOW IS RENTERS WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE BUT HAVE TO BE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO GO AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD NEW HOUSES. THAT IS AN IMPACT THAT TELLS ME, YOU CAN'T SAY IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR HOUSES. AND THE FACT THAT I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO HAVE MY KIDS BE ABLE TO GO TO THE LIBRARY BY THEMSELVES BY THE TIME THEY WERE 13 AND KNOW THEY ARE SAFE, AND THAT NOW KIDS TODAY CAN'T DO THAT. THIS GAS STATION IS GOING TO MAKE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE THAN WHAT THESE GUYS ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT OH NO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A DIFFERENCE. IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER. HOW CAN IT BE BETTER WHEN OUR PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN? OUR SAFETY OF THE KIDS ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE. I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS CRHRISTOPHER JONES. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. CHRISTOPHER JONES? ALL RIGHT. THAT LEAVES ONE MORE. GLORIA R. DAVIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M GLORIA DAVIS. I AND MY HUSBAND LARRY ARE 36 YEAR RESIDENTS OF 970 ORANGE WOOD ROAD WHICH IS NOW PART OF FRUIT COVE FOREST. WHEN YOUR MAP ENDED WHEN THEY WERE SHOWING MAPS, WE'RE THE NEXT ONE DOWN. OUR AREA ON YOUR PLANNING MAPS IS MANDARIN MEADOWS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED OF US THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE CURBS AND ALL THAT OTHER GOOD STUFF. BUT WE HAVE DRAINAGE DITCHES. AND THE RUN-OFF THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM SOME OF THAT -- DON'T GET ME WRONG. I THINK DALEY'S GOT A GREAT PRODUCT. I USE THEM. WHEN I GO DOWN RACE TRACK ROAD. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY ARE SO CLEAN AND SO GOOD THEY KEEP THEIR AREAS WATERED DOWN. WELL THAT WATER'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND THERE'S A WONDERFUL LITTLE AREA THEY SHOWED IN BACK THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF RETAINAGE POND. THAT WATER RUN-OFF IS GOING TO END UP GOING THROUGH -- WE'VE GOT A USE DRAINAGE AREA THAT GOES THROUGH ALL THESE PROPERTIES. IN OUR AREA IT HOOKS INTO CUNNINGHAM CREEK THEN GOES ON TOUT THE RIVER. THAT'S PART OF THIS WHOLE AREA THAT WE'RE IN. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE BESIDES THE TRAFFIC, THE DALEY'S DOWN ON RACE TRACK IS GREAT. THEY'VE GOT -- BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUGE TRAFFIC INTERSECTION THERE. PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT. OUR ENTRANCE ON STATE ROAD 13 IS LEMON WOOD ROAD. IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH LEMON WOOD ROAD, THAT'S THE ONLY SIDE THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR AREA FOR A WHOLE LOT OF US UNLESS WE GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE BACK SIDE AND COME ALL THE WAY AROUND FRUIT COVE AND COME OUT ON TRAC WHERE THE LIGHT IS. IT TAKES A LOT OF EXTRA TIME. THERE ARE TIMES IN THE DAY WE JUST DON'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING YOUR LIFE INTO YOUR HANDS. IF YOU WANT TO GO NORTH ON STATE ROAD 13. AND WHEN OUR KIDS WEREN'T TEENAGERS WE WEREN'T LET THEM GO OUT THAT WAY. IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS. AND THERE ARE ALSO SCHOOL BUSS THAT STOP ON STATE RIDE 13 FOR THE AFTER SCHOOL ACTIVITIES TO LET KIDS ON AND OFF. ANOTHER LITTLE

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>> THAT'S IT. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE THROUGH WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD SPEAKER: I'M GOING TO START WITH A FEW QUICK REBUTTAL POINTS THEN LINDSAY IS GOING DISCUSS THE MEET. WE HOPE TO BE VERY SHORT. THEN JEFF CLAMMENED WHO IS OUR TRAFFIC EXPERT WILL SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED DURING THE DESTRUCTION BY THE PUBLIC.

JUST AS A REMINDER, AS MR. SORIA REMINDED YOU, YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THE FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD. FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD MEANS THAT IF THERE IS ANY BASIS FOR YOUR DECISION YOU GET UPHELD.

BUT THE FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD STILL REQUIRE SOMETHING IN THE RECORD. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS BY THE NEIGHBORS, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM NOT ONLY ARE ADDRESSED, BUT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AND ACTUALLY RELATIVE TO WHAT IS PERMITTED NOW IS AN IMPROVEMENT. THE FIRST QUESTION IS -- THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT -- AND I'M JUST ADDRESSING THESE IN ORDERS OF COMMENTS. SO, FORGIVE ME DOING IT CHRONOLOGICALLY. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC OF OTOE'S. JUST WANT TO REMIND THAT IF WHAT IS PERMITTED NOW WERE THERE, YOU COULD HAVE AND WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S 75,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A SERVICE ACCESS IN BACK. AND WOULD BE A SECOND ACCESS ON TO OTOE'S. LINDSAY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THAT, YEAH, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE CENTER IS IN THE BACK WOULD BE THAT SECOND ACCESS AND WOULD BE DESIGNED FOR THE SORT OF HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT WE ARE SEEKING TO AVOID BY VIRTUE OF THE AGGRESSIVELY DESIGNED ACCESS TO TRY TO LIMIT TO SMALL VEHICLE ACCESS AND NO TRUCK ACCESS OFF OF OTOE'S.

THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT CRIME RESPONSE AND SUCH AS OF THE 24/7. WE JUST POINT OUT THE NORTHERN TIER DALEY'S IN THIS AREA HAVE HAD A TOTAL OF ONE ROBBERY. AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, THE 24/7 ACTUALLY FACILITATES THAT. FACILITATES HAVING SOMEONE THERE MINIMIZING HAVING PEOPLE WHO MAY ENCAMP WHO BY THE WAY ACCORDING TO THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT IS A CURRENT ISSUE. AGAIN IN TERMS OF PEOPLE INFERRING WHAT MIGHT WE DO. WE HAVE WHAT COULD BE A TWO-ACRE ENVELOPE ON OVER FIVE ACRES. THE REASON IS RELATED TO THE CONCERN THAT PEOPLE RAISE SAYING WELL THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STATIONS NEARBY, WHY DO YOU NEED THIS. M MR. CRAMMOND WILL TESTIFY TO THIS. BUT JUST BRIEFLY. AND HE IS NOT GOING TO GO VERY FAR INTO THAT BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. 48,000 TRIPS PER DAY CROSS THE JULINGTON CREEK. AND YOU HAVE THE GATE STATION RIGHT THERE AT THE RACE TRACK INTERSECTION. THAT PLACE HAS AN

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COMMENTS ABOUT PURE PROFIT MOTIVE. IT IS A GOOD SITE.

THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A PROFIT WHETHER THEY FLIP IT OR WHETHER THEY OPERATE IT. THAT'S WHY THEY BOUGHT IT. THEY BELIEVE IT IT TO BE A GOOD SITE. IT CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THAT IT IS A GOOD SITE BY VIRTUE OF THE NUMBERS THAT I JUST RECITED. STAFF, PEOPLE ASK WHAT HAS DIFFERED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS? STAFF'S REPORT ACKNOWLEDGES THE INCREASING INTENSIFICATION OF THISCORRIDOR. AND IN ITS VIEW THE BOARD IS AND OUR VIEW IS THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT IT CAN AND SHOULD REFLECT THAT INTENSIFICATION AND THE FACT THIS IS INFILL. THE FACT THERE WAS A CONVENIENCE STORE OF PUMPS HERE FOR MANY YEARS BEFOREHAND AND AS MS. HAGA MENTIONED DURING HER TESTIMONY YOU HAVE HAD AN I.

W. DESIGNATED SITE ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY THAT'S NOW COMMERCIAL. I. W. AT THE TIME WAS AN OUTLIER WAS ACTUALLY THE MOST INTENSIVE USE AT THE TIME UNDER THE ZONING CODE IS NOW IH. I THINK THAT STAFF CAN SPEAK TO THAT. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS AS LINDSAY SAID TAKING COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL. MR. FAIRFIELD, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. WITHOUT GETTING INTO MR. FAIRFIELD'S DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES AN APPRAISAL, I'M NOT AN APPRAISER, I'LL NOTE THE MAP SHOWN 300 FEET AROUND THE PARCEL. YOUR CODE WHICH WE PARTICIPATED IN DRAFTING IS 300 FEET FROM THE UST PIT. IT'S NOT FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE PARCEL. SO, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL PARCEL IN ANY DIRECTION THAT VIOLATES YOUR CODE. THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT DRAINAGE. YOU ALL HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME ABOUT WHAT THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN YOUR CODE. DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS IN YOUR CODE TRACK THE APPLICANT'S HANDBOOK OF THE DEP AND THE ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THEY CALL FOR PRE-PEAK/POST-PEAK STANDARDS. IN OTHER WORDS WHAT'S THE DISCHARGE RATE WHEN WE TAKE TITLE? IS THE DISCHARGE RATE AFTER IT IS IMPROVED? TO THAT END, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE RELATED TO OTOE'S PLACE, THAT IS NOT SUBJECT THAT THE DISTRICT IS GOING TO ALLOW PERMITTING NOR TECHNICAL REVIEW BY YOUR STAFF. MONITORING. WE USE VITA ROOT WHICH IS THE STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY. THERE'S MONITORING AT THE STORE. THERE'S MONITORING CENTRALLY. NOTED ONE DISCHARGE, 1989, THERE WAS NO DALEY'S IN 1989. THAT SITE WAS MENTIONED TWICE. WE BELIEVE IT'S AN OLD TEXACO. IT HAS BEEN -- IF THAT IS THE CASE WE HAVE BEEN DOING DISCHARGE WORK SINCE' 89. THAT WAS AT THE VERY ONSET OF FEDERAL AND STATE TANKS REGULATIONS.

TANKS REGULATIONS HAVE GOTTEN MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL SINCE.

MR. CRAMMOND BY THE WAY WILL TESTIFY AS TO THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS WHICH ARE STATISTICALLY THREE AT THIS INTERSECTION. AND THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED ABOUT THE LAWSUIT AND THE TANKS. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE TANKS WERE GOING TO BE LINED PROPERLY. REGARDLESS AS A RESULT OF LITIGATION THERE WERE NO RELEASES AND THE TANKS WERE RELINED. THERE'S NOT BEEN A FAILURE OF ANY ONE OF THOSE TANKS ONCE THEY WERE RELINED. AS MS. HAGA SAID DURING HER TESTIMONY, PEOPLE CAN LOOK UP OCULUS, WE HAVE AMONG THE FEWEST DISCHARGES AND THE FEWEST PROBLEMS IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR CHAIN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. LET ALONE IN THIS REGION. WITH THAT IN MIND, I

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PUBLIC SPEAKER: A COUPLE OF SITE PLAN POINTS OF CLARIFICATION THAT I HEARD. SID TOUCHED ON IT REGARDING THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TRAANKS. THIS IS FOR 12 PUMPS AS SEEN ON OUR PLAN HERE.

THAT'S THE CANOPY. SO, 12 PUMPS. THERE'S BEEN A MISNOMER ABOUT 24 PUMPS BEING OUT THERE. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. WE'VE TRIED TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT FROM ITS INNER-APPLICATION AS WELL AS THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD. THAT'S COMPARABLE TO THE GAS STATION THAT IS THERE ON RACE TRACK ROAD. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTING. WE'LL COMPLY WITH THE LIGHTING STANDARDS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH GENERALLY HOLD TO ONE FOOT CANDLE AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR CONVENIENCE STORES AND GAS STATIONS WITH THE CANOPY BECAUSE IT'S KNOWN THAT THAT WOULD PROVIDE LIGHT WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR SPACE BY WHICH WE CAN SFUL OUR CARS, THE CANOPY HAS TO BE RECESSED LIGHTING AND DOWN SHIELDING. AS WE WALKED THROUGH THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE PLAN, ALL THE ACTIVITY IS GEARED TOWARDS STATE ROAD 13. THE LIGHTING FIXTURES ALONG THE REAR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL BIDDING ARE RECESSED CAPPED DOWN SHIELDED LIGHTING. THE CANOPY HAS TO HAVE INSERTED CAN LIGHTING. THIS WOULD BE POINTED TOWARDS STATE ROAD 13. JUST A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION POINTS THAT WAS IN MIND. I UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE AN ISSUE FOR COMPATIBILITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE AN ISSUE OF WHAT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF COULD JUMP TO THE OVERHEAD I HAVE A COUPLE OF MAPS ON THAT PRESENTATION.

YOU'VE SEEN THIS. BUT, AGAIN, TO REFINE, SO THIS MAP DOES A COUPLE THINGS. ONE TO POINT OUT 300 FOOT RADIUS THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED. IT IS BASED ON WHERE THE TANKS ARE LOCATED. I KIND OF WALKED US THROUGH WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT. WHERE STRUCTURES, THE ENTRANCE POINTS ARE LOCATED ON 13. HOW THAT MEANS THAT TRUCKS WOULD ENTER INTO THE SITE. BECAUSE HERE'S OUR UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS. THIS IS THE RADIUS POINT. AS WE'VE PROVIDED THIS MAP IN OUR APPLICATION TO SHOW THE PLATTED PROPERTY LINES OFF PARCELS AS WELL AS WITH THE ZONE DISTRICT. SO WE COMPLY WITH THAT COMPONENT. THIS MAP SHOWS TO -- AND I'LL STEP OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE ON RACE TRACK -- ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE CORRIDOR.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE ARE A SUBURBAN AREA. WE'RE EAU RE-FLECKEDED BY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIALIAL AND OUR CORE CORRIDORS AND WE MOVE AND LIVE HERE IN THE COUNTY AND WORK OUT OF COUNTY FOR MAJORITY. THAT'S REFLECTED BY WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR TRANSPORTATION RATES AS WELL AS OTHER INFORMATION ON IN AND OUT COMMUTING. SO, YOU CAN SEE THIS CORRIDOR. FOUR LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY REPRESENTED BY COMMERCIAL ALONG THAT FRONTAGE.

AND THEN ALSO WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY EDGES. SO, TO GET TO THE POINT OF DALEY'S AND THIS CORRIDOR HERE. THIS IS JUST OFF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER MAP. THIS IS LAY INFORMATION YOU CAN GET TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE AN EXISTING GAS STATION HERE WITHIN OUR REGION IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE DALEY STATION. IT IS 1.6 ACHORS. BY THEM PROVIDING IT ON FIVE ACRES THEY CAN INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF OWN SPACE AND TREE PRESERVATION ON A SITE THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY FOUND OR WARRANTED FOR NEEDED FOR THEM TO DO THEIR SERVICE. WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS YOU IS RACE TRACK ROAD. SIMILAR TO STATE ROAD 13 IN A COLLECTOR ROAD THAT'S DIVIDED. FOUR LANES WITH A LANDSCAPE MEDIAN. AND THIS SITES ACCESS ON TO FLOOR BRANCH. TYPICALLY WE HOLD OUR MEETINGS THERE AT ANNEX. YOU HAVE LOOPED AROUND. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY THEY MENTIONED THAT COMING IN THAT EXITED IN AND OUT AND YOU WOULD ENJOY THE SAME ENTER AND EXIT AS WELL AS AN ENTRY POINT THAT IS SHARED WITH THE PHARMACY INTO THE DALEY'S AT THE RACE TRACK. SO THE NUMBERS THEN WHAT YOU SEE IN COLOR REPRESENT YEARLY SALES. JUST THIS THREE RANGE. IT'S INCLUDED IN OUR APPLICATION. JUST TO POINT UP HERE. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS TO PROVIDE JUST A FLAT STATS OF WHAT WERE SOME RECENT SALES. SINGLE FAMILY BASED HOMES AND TOWNHOMES BASED WITHIN 2000 FEET. BECAUSE THAT DOES REFLECT. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE TO THE PROPERTY AS FOR IMMEDIATE AJACENSY WHEREAS THIS CORNER THAT YOU HAVE THE WALGREENS, THE TIRE CENTER, PRIM ROSE, THE PUBLIX AND THE BANK OF USES AND THE TOUGHY AUTO CENTER THAT'S MORE CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS TO CLARIFY WHAT WE TESTIFIED ON THAT POINT AND TO REITERATE HOW WE COMPLY WITH THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.

PUBLIC SPEAKER: JEFF CRAMMOND. I AM A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SEVERAL THINGS. THE

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IT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE. AND IT OCCURS EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE COUNTY. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

IS THAT IT? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY THEN. M MR. MATOVINA? DIRE BOARD MEMBER: MI HAVE A QUESTIO FOR THE APPLICANT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC ON OTOE'S PLACE. AS I UNDERSTOOD -- AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT SITE PLAN BACK UP THERE. MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS PROPOSAL. MAYBE I AM. OKAY. THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. IS THAT AN ENTRANCE? IS THERE SOME SORT OF ACCESS TO OTOE'S FROM THIS? SPEAKER: YES.

BOARD MEMBER: RIGHT HERE. SPEAKER: YES. AND IT'S BEEN SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO DISCOURAGE LARGE VEHICLES FROM USING IT. BOARD MEMBER: AND THAT'S A TWO-WAY ACCESS. VEHICLES AN GO IN AND OUT? PUBLIC SPEAKER: YES. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: MR. WAINWRIGHT? BOARD MEMBER: MY QUESTIONS ARE MOSTLY FOR MS. HAIG AND MS. HMA. A LOT HAS BEEN MADE ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S A ECONOMIC NEED OR COMMUNITY NEED FOR THIS GAS STATION. WHAT DOES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAY ABOUT THAT? DO THEY HAVE TO ESTABLISH A COMMERCIAL NEED FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS? I'LL TAKE AN ANSWER FROM ANYBODY.

SPEAKER: TERESA IS MICCING UP. SPEAKER: I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR NEED WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. IT'S BASED ON A MARKET AND WHATEVER THE APPLICANT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS FOR THEIR PROPERTY.

BOARD MEMBER: FINE. THANK YOU. WITH RESPECT TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS APPROVABLE, A RESIDENTIAL B VERSUS WHAT IS INCLUDED FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, IS A GAS STATION ACCEPTABLE UNDER RESIDENTIAL B? SPEAKER: THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS ACCEPTABLE UNDER RESIDENTIAL B. THE ADDITION OF THE GAS PUMPS IS THE DIFFERENCE MAKER. RESTAURANTS ARE PERMITTED UNDER RESIDENTIAL B. THE ADDITION OF THE DRIVE-THRU IS THE DIFFERENCE MAKER. PHARMACIES, 24 HOURS, SAME WITH RESTAURANTS ALOUD, DRIVE-THRU IS THE DIFFERENCE MAKER THERE. IT NEEDS TO BE TOLD

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BOARD MEMBER: AND A DRIVE-THRU? SPEAKER: BANKS WITH DRIVE-THRU'S WOULD BE PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL B. WE HAVE A CHART.

THERE WE GO. SO WHAT THIS IMAGE IS TRYING TO POP TO YOU IS THAT WHOLE LIST OF USES IS ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL B AND COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE DISTRICT. THOSE FOUR ADDITIONAL BANS WOULD BE THE ADDITION THAT'S GAINED BY COMMUNITY -- THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT ON THAT SOUTHERN PIECE. BECAUSE WE PROPOSE TO CAP THE NORTHERN PIECE AT COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENCE MAKERS FOR -- SO YOU CAN HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE 24 HOUR OPERATIONS, USES, 24 HOUR PHARMACY, THE DRIVE-THRU COMPONENT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. AGAIN, AS ILLUSTRATED BY THE LITTLE CHAMP AND THAT WAS A KANGAROO EXPRESS IN THE SAME SITUATED PROPERTY, RESIDENTIAL B AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL, IT USED TO BE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO HAVE A GAS STATION RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT HAD FOUR PUMPS. BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. MS. MAY, A QUESTION. PERHAPS YOU CAN DIRECT ME TOWARDS AN ANSWER, TO SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP ME. WHAT ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF AQUIFER CONTAMINATION? AT LEAST HALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO ADDRESSED US TALKED ABOUT GASOLINE CONTAMINATION OF THEIR AQUIFER.

THEIR PUMPS. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM OUR OWN HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT CAN SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE? SPEAKER: WE DO NOT.

SPEAKER: GROWTH MANAGEMENT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO TALK TO THAT, MR. WAINWRIGHT, ON AQUIFER. I HAVE OUR CHIEF ENGINEER HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHO YOU WOULD WANT TO TALK TO. WHAT'S YOUR -- BOARD MEMBER: THE IDEA THAT A NUMBER OF FOLKS HAVE SPOKEN TO US ABOUT THE IDEA OF FUEL OVER RUNNING THESE TANKS OR LEAKING OUT AND GETTING INTO THEIR WELL WATER WHICH IS AN AQUIFER. SPEAKER: I CAN TELL YOU THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THE STATE STANDARDS THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH. THAT IS PART OF THE REVIEW. THE FIRE DIVISION ALSO DOES A REVIEW ON THE TANKS. SO, WHATEVER IT GOES THROUGH, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THE CODES AND THE REGULATIONS. BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION. HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS UNDER RESIDENTIAL B VERSUS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. ARE THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THE SAME? SPEAKER: THE HEIGHT IS GOING TO BE RESTRICTED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR COMMUNITY GENERAL. I'M SORRY COMMERCIAL GENERAL USE AND THAT'S NOT CHANGING. SO THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS ZONING RELATED COMMERCIAL GENERAL. BOARD MEMBER: MY QUESTION IS ABOUT IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL B AND COMMERCIAL? SPEAKER: THE LAND USE DOESN'T REGULATE THE HEIGHT. IT'S THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO, IT WOULD BE UNDER THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION. SO, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE, WHETHER THEY STAYED RESIDENTIAL B OR CHANGED TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: STAFF? I SEE A LIGHT ON. NOPE? ALL RIGHT.

DR. MCCORMICK, QUESTION? BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION, LINDSAY, FOR YOU AND ALSO PROBABLY FOR STAFF.

I SEE THAT BOTH UNDER WHETHER OR NOT WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT REFERS TO IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE CODE IS A1.3.11. AND THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES. WHETHER WE DENY OR NOT.

NOW, WHEN I LOOK AT 1.3.11 IT SAYS... COMPATIBILITY.

COMPATIBILITY MEANING THE CONDITION WHICH LAND USES CAN CO-EXIST IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME. NO USE IS UNDULY IMPACTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY ANOTHER. I ASSUME IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENCES PRIMARILY THAT HAVE COME TO DISCUSS THIS TODAY AND THE DEVELOPMENT. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE MUCH OF THE CONCERN IS

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SO MY QUESTION REALLY IS, IS IT REALLY NECESSARY -- LET'S SAY IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THOSE OTHER THREE, BUT NOT OKAY WITH THE GAS STATION, WOULD THE DEVELOPMENT BE WILLING TO AGREE WITH THAT PROPOSAL. SPEAKER: DALEY'S IS IN THE ENERGY PROVIDING STATION. THE GAS STATION. THE PUMPS IS PART OF THE REQUEST. DREAM SO THEY'RE NOT SPEAKER: THAT'S THE DRIVING NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. TO CORRECT THAT IMBALANCE AND REFLECT THE COMMUNITY GENERAL ZONE DISTRICT. REALLY A CONVENIENCE STORE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT NOW 24 HOURS THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED. WE WOULD JUST BE FILING CONSTRUCTION PLANS. BUT DALEY'S PLACE DELIVERS FUEL. A GAS STATION. BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO, WE'RE BACK TO THE COMPATIBILITY. WHETHER IT'S WITH THE WELLS OR WITH THE OTHER ISSUES. WHETHER IT'S LIGHTING OR WHATEVER IN REGARD TO THE COMPATIBILITY. AND THAT'S WHERE I AM HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY IN TERMS OF SAYING OKAY I'M WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THIS PROPOSAL BASED ON THAT. WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY. SPEAKER: RIGHT. SO, LET'S ADDRESS THAT. THE SITE PLAN IS THE BEST PIECE FOR THAT. HERE WE GO. THIS DISCUSSION WE COULD FILE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY, GO TO CONSTRUCTION, LOOK AT THIS. YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER. YOU SEE THE BUFFERING OF OUR STORM WATER PONDS THAT ARE THE SAME. THOSE ARE OFTEN USED TO SEPARATE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES. IT ALSO FUNCTIONS WE NEED TO HANDLE OUR DRAINAGE AND PROJECT ENGINEERS HAVE TALKED TO THAT. WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE WHICH IS A FEATURE OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

IT ALSO SERVES TO PROVIDE FOR THAT BUFFER. AND IN OUR PERFORMANCE PLAN THAT'S RETAINED WITH THE MATURE TREE STAND THAT'S THERE NOW. SO THEY ENJOY THAT DEPTH OF 35 FEET ALONG THIS DEVELOPMENT EDGE. THAT WOULD BE ENHANCED. FROM THE ACTIVITY CENTER EVERYTHING IS ORIENTED TO THE STREET. WHERE THERE'S ACTIVITY AND FOR A PARTICULAR STORE WHILE IT IS 24 HOURS A MAJORITY OF THEIR ACTIVITY IS REFLECTED BY THEIR SALES FROM 6:00 A.M. TO 9:00 P.M. SO, YOU ARE HAVING THAT WITHIN THAT AREA. THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD. HOW WILL THIS CHANGE MY NATURE OFF HOURS. YOU CAN SEE THAT ACTIVITY NOT ONLY IN ITS PLACEMENT IT'S GEARED TOWARDS WHERE 28,000 CARS ARE COMING DOWN STATE ROAD 13. WE'VE ENHANCED THIS AREA WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT EDGE ALONG OTOE'S. WE'RE PROPOSING A PLAN THAT ENABLES THE CHARACTER AND THE SENSE OF ARRIVAL TO BE MAINTAINED. THAT'S AN ELEMENT OF CHARACTER RETENTION. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE OR CHANGE BUT HOW THAT -- HOW THE CHANGES ARE REASONABLE. AND THESE ARE REASONABLE CHANGES WITH A SINGULAR ACCESS POINT PROVIDING NORTH AND SOUTH ACCESS CLOSER TO STATE ROAD 13 BUT YET BACK ENOUGH SO THAT CARS THAT WOULD EXIT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO MODIFY THE MEDIAN IN THIS PUBLIC ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. REGARDING LIGHTING. WHETHER THIS USE IS THE PROPOSED GAS STATION WHICH THE COUNTY HAS REGULATIONS, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THIS. THIS ISN'T NEW ABOUT LIGHTING FOR GAS STATIONS. SO, RECESSED CAP LIGHT, LOW CANOPY AS A REQUIREMENT, SHIELD LIGHTING, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. AGAIN ORIENTED TO STATE ROAD 13. FIRST IS THIS PLAN WHICH IS ON MY RIGHT. YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME -- YOUR ACTIVITY CENTER BROADER MORE OPEN. YOU CAN START TO SEE THE DEPTH. THE BULK AREAS MORE OPEN IN THIS SITE. THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. MORE -- A H BIGGER CHANGE THAN WHAT OUR PERFORMANCE PLAN WOULD PROPOSE. FOR THOSE REASONS THAT'S WHY THE STAFF HAS ARRIVED IT MEETS THE SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS COMPATIBLE TO CHANGES TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FOR THEIR PLAN THAT SUPPORTS OUR AMENDMENT.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: MR. MAT OH VINO A QUESTION? BOARD MEMBER: YOU SAID AN IMPACT ANALYSIS IS NOT REQUIRE. THINK WE SEE THAT WITH A LAND USE CHANGE. WHY IS NOTICE NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS ONE? OR IS IT NOT REQUIRED FOR ANY OF THEM AND

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SPEAKER: WHAT WE PREFER IS AND WHAT OUR COMP PLAN ENCOURAGES IS THAT FOR COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, FOR THOSE DESIGNATIONS TO BE IN NODES. AND THAT IS A PROVISION OF OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR. THAT'S A PROVISION THAT'S BEEN IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR AND PART OF THE DIVISION OF THIS AREA THAT THOSE COMMERCIAL AREAS WOULD BE IN NODELE TYPE FASHION. THIS IS AT A MINOR INTERSECTION. IT IS AT OTOE'S PLACE AND STATE ROAD 13.

THIS AREA HAS ALWAYS BEEN ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL TYPE ACTIVITIES.

AND AS YOU HEARD MS. HAGA TALK ABOUT, IT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION, RESIDENTIAL B DESIGNATION THAT HAS LIMITED WHAT YOU CAN DO. SO, IT IS THE INTENSITY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE INTENSITY OF THE USES GOING FURTHER DOWN STATE ROAD 16 FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: PAOLO

>> YES. TO THE AGENCY, JUST TO PUT YOUR DECISION IN CONTEXT.

YOU'VE SEEN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS BEFORE. YOU KNOW THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE EXERCISE. YOU ARE MAKING A POLICY DECISION.

AND THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU WILL BE SUSTAINED IF IT MEETS THAT KIND OF FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD. WHICH IS GENERALLY FOR REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER AS TO THE CONCLUSION. YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM RESIDENTIAL B TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IN EFFECT BECAUSE THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS IN THAT A13 SECTION WHICH WE'RE BEING ASKED IS TO EXTEND THAT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL NODE WHERE THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE SOUTHWARD ON TO THIS PROPERTY. AND THERE'S SOME FACTORS CONSIDERING IN THAT.

THERE'S ALSO SOME FACTORS IN YOUR STAFF PACKET FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS IN GENERAL UNDER A1.1115. SEE FIE CAN FIND THOSE. SO, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSISTENCY WITH THE NORTHEAST STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY PLAN, IMPACTS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND COMPAT COMPATIBILITY AND THE NEED TO MODIFY NEEDS WITH ANTIQUATED SUBDIVISION. THAT KIND OF TO FIX THINGS THAT THE PLAN KIND OF LAYERED OVER THAT ARE HISTORICAL IN NATURE. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS YOU CAN USE WHETHER TO APPROVE OR DENY ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

MS. HAGA, I HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO FOR YOU. CAN YOU GO OVER THE, AT A HIGH LEVEL, THE DOUBLE WALLING OF TANKS AND FUEL LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY FUEL IN HE STATE OF FLORIDA? SPEAKER: I'LL HAVE HIM COME UP TO WALK US THROUGH. DID YOU SAY HEIGHT AS WELL.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: NOTHING ABOUT THE HEIGHT. THE FUEL TANKS, SERVICES AND HOW THAT IS, LET'S SAY, THE RISK IS MITIGATED. SPEAKER: CORRECT

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. KEITH DAHL. I SERVE AS GENERAL COUNSEL TO FIRST COAST ENERGY.

SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW STORAGE TANK SYSTEMS ARE CONSTRUCTED AND HOW FUEL IS DISPENSED IN 2019 AND AFTER.

AGAIN, I AM A LAWYER SO YOU ARE GETTING A LAWYER'S DISCUSSION OF AN ENGINEERING OR TECHNICAL TERM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO DO THAT. BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME SO I FEEL FAIRLY COMFORTABLE DESCRIBING IT. WHEN THE FUEL COMES IN BY TANKER IT COMES IN TO A DOUBLE WALL DANK. THAT IS LITERALLY A TANK THAT HAS AN INNER-AND OUTER-WALL WITH WHAT'S

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THAT INTERSTIES IS CONSTANTLY MONITORED ELECTRICALLY FOR RELEASES OF FUEL. LOOKING AT RELEASES OF FUEL FROM THE TANK IT SELF ONE OF OUR FIRST PROTECTION POINTS SO TO SPEAK ONCE THE FUEL IS IN THE TANK IS THE DETECTION OF A LEAK FROM INSIDE THE INNER-WALL INTO THE SPACE. THIS IS LONG BEFORE IT WOULD EVEN BREACH THE OUTER-WALL. SID MENTIONED EARLIER THE WAY THAT THE LAWS ON THIS HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS. THAT'S WHERE THE EVOLUTION HAS GONE IS TO A DOUBLE WALL SYSTEM WITH CONSTANT MONITORING. THE FUEL IS IN TYPICALLY TWO TANKS -- UNLEADED, PREMIUM, DIESEL -- AND IT'S PUMPED FROM THOSE TANKS. IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TANKS BEING JUST INWARD FROM THE 30 NUMBER ALONG THE SCENIC EDGE JUST ABOVE THE WORD "ROAD." RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE WHERE YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THAT VAN LOOKING VEHICLE THAT'S OUTSIDE OUR CANOPY, THE TANKS WOULD BE RIGHT IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU, LINDSAY, FOR POINTING THAT OUT. THE FUEL WOULD GO FROM THOSE TANKS TO SIX ISLANDS, PUMP ISLANDS THAT WOULD CONTAIN THE 12 PUMPS. THOSE PIPES ARE ALSO DOUBLE-WALLED WITH DETECTION. SO THAT IF THERE IS A RELEASE BETWEEN THE TANK AND THE PUMP, WE KNOW IT IMMEDIATELY. WE CATCH IT WHEN IT COMES THROUGH THE FIRST WALL INTO THE INTERSTICE BEFORE I GETS TO THE OUTER-WALL. HAVE I GOT YOU SO FAR? ARE YOU WITH ME? OKAY, NOW, WHEN THE PIPE GOES INTO THE FUEL LINE GOES INTO THE PUMP FROM WHICH IT WILL BE DISPENSED AND THE PUMPS THESE DAYS TYPICALLY WILL HAVE SEVERAL GRADES OF FUEL. YOU ARE USED TO SEEING THIS WHEN YOU FUEL YOUR VEHICLE.

THAT'S BECAUSE THE BLENDING ACTUALLY OCCURS FROM REGULAR TO PREMIUM TO MID-GRADE AT A PUMP LEVEL. SO THE FUEL'S COMING IN FROM THE TANK OUT BY THE ROAD, TOWARD THE PUMP ISLAND. IT'S COMING INTO THE DISPENSER. THE DISPENSER SITS ABOVE A CONTAINMENT BASIN. AND THOSE CONTAINMENT BASINS FOR EACH PUMP ARE CONSTANTLY MONITORED AS WELL. SO, JUST THINKING ABOUT YOUR LEVELS OF PROTECTION. YOU HAVE PROTECTION AT THE TANK. YOU HAVE PROTECTION IN THE LINE. YOU HAVE PROTECTION AT THE PUMP. NOW THE THING THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL, NO ONE CAN CONTROL, NO ONE EVER WILL CONTROL IS HUMANITY, OR HUMANS. THE RISKS OF ANY CONVENIENCE STORE THAT DISPENSES FUEL ARE WHEN THE FUEL GOES INTO THE TANK AND WHEN IT COMES OUT OF THE DISPENSER. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE WAY THAT OUR CUSTOMERS OPERATE. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE WAY THAT FLORIDA TANK LINES OPERATES WHEN IT PUTS OUR FUEL INTO THE TANK. BUT BOTH OF THOSE SITUATIONS ARE HIGHLY MONITORED BY OUR PERSONNEL AND BY FLORIDA ROCK PERSONNEL. SO, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FLORIDA ROCK DRIVER PUTS THE FUEL IN THE WRONG TANK OR DOESN'T HAVE HIS VACUUM LINE CLEAN -- THOSE LINES FROM THE TANKER INTO THE TANK ARE ALSO PRESSURIZED AND IT'S NOT LIKE EXTRA FUEL COULD RUN OUT IF THE OPERATOR'S USING IT CORRECTLY. SO, HUMAN ERROR THERE, HUMAN ERROR WHEN A CUSTOMER DISPENSES, THAT WE HAVE A VERY HIGHLY DEVELOPED EMERGENCY PROTOCOL. ONE OF THE FINENESS THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THAT IF YOU OR I WHEN WE'RE PUTTING FUEL IN OUR VEHICLES SPILL A BIT, WE'RE ON IT AND HAVE IT CONTAINED. WE HAVE IT REMEDIATED AND OUT OF THERE. I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL.

DID I GIVE -- CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THAT'S HELPFUL. ONE MORE QUESTION ON FUEL. WHERE THE TRUCK GOES TO FILL THE UNDERGROUND TANK, IS THAT A TIGHTENED DOWN, A WATER TIGHT CONNECTION? SPEAKER: OH YES. IT'S ACTUALLY A VACUUM CORRECTION. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: NO ONCE THE HOSE IS DONE AND THE TANK IS FULL. DO YOU PUT A GAS CAP ON AND THAT'S WATER TIGHT. ANY FLOODING WATER SPEAKER: IT WOULD NOT GO IN. NO SIR.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: LINDSAY, THE SITE PLAN YOU'VE GIVEN US HERE, WHICH IS UP ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS NOT A PUD. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR JUST A ZONING ALLOWANCE FOR THE TANKS. IS THIS IT THOUGH? THERE'S NO DESIRE TO MOVE THE THING TO THE LEFT AND

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CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THE 45,000 SQUARE FEET SEEMS HIGH IF THE NORTHERN PARCELS AT 14,000 AND THE STORES ROUGHLY AT 7,000, THAT'S 21. THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION REALLY IS WHAT'S THE OTHER 24 FOR? SPEAKER: THE 45,000 IS SPLIT -- IT'S JUST GENERAL NON-RESIDENTIAL BUCKET OF RIGHTS. WHEREAS LIKE 75,000 WAS JUST THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER.

ON A TRIP EQUIVALENCY THAT WOULD EQUATE TO 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH 12 PUMPS AND 14,000 SQUARE FEET.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: GOT IT. I'M GLAD YOU CLEARED THAT UP.

MR. WAINWRIGHT? BOARD MEMBER: I'D OFFER A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S OTHER -- CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING THIS. DR. MCCORMICK? BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: I HAD ANOTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION FIRST. YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS I THINK VERY WELL. AND IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS COMMERCIAL AREA I THINK THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. SO I HAVE ONE MORE ISSUE THAT I HAVE. REALLY THIS IS A AGENCY ISSUE. I GUESS IT IS A QUESTION FOR JOHN SINCE JOHN BROUGHT IT UP. AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT A LOT OF THE CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE RESIDENTS WAS WHAT IMPACT IS THIS REALLY GOING TO HAVE ON THE VALUE OF THEIR HOMES WHICH ARE VERY CLOSE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT? SPEAKER: RIGHT.

BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY A SPEAKER AND YOU RESPONDED I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE TABLE

>> PAULO SORIA: I'D LIKE TO CAUTION THE AGENCY UPON RELYING ON TESTIMONY FROM ITS OWN MEMBERS. YOU CAN USE YOUR EXPERTISE IN EVALUATING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY PRESENTED ON HERE.

BUT YOUR PRIMARY EVIDENTIARY RELIANCE SHOULD BE UPON THE STATEMENTS EITHER PRODUCED BY PERSONS WITH EXPERTISE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING YOU INFORMATION RATHER THAN AN OPINION OF THE AGENCY. SPEAKER: BUT TO SIMPLY PUT IT WITHOUT MARKET DATA THAT SHOWS THAT HOMES HAVE LOST VALUE THAT ARE CLOSE TO GAS STATIONS, THERE'S NO WAY OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. PERSONALLY I'VE NEVER SEEN IT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEN MEAN IT'S NOT THE CASE. BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITHOUT -- IT'S EITHER IT IS OR ISN'T. IT'S MARKET DATA THAT SUPPORTS IT OR DOESN'T SUPPORT IT. SO, WHEN THERE'S A LACK OF MARKET DATA, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T CONSIDER THAT PERSONALLY. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: MR. MARTIN? BOARD MEMBER MARTIN: JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. I THINK THE APPLICANT'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF DEMONSTRATING THEIR CASE AND THAT IT'S INFILL. WHAT I AM HUNG UP ON THAT I WAS HUNG UP ON LAST TIME AND I THINK THAT WAS WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT LAST TIME WAS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL, IS IT COMPATIBLE YES BECAUSE IT FILLS IN THAT DONUT HOLE. BUT SPECIFICALLY THE USE OF A GAS STATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT A HIGHER CHURN RATE OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE SITE ON TO A VERY MINOR LITTLE INTERSECTION HERE, THAT'S WHERE I AM KIND OF HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A GAS STATION YOU HAVE JUST GOT MORE, YOU KNOW, CHURN OF TRAFFIC COMING IN THERE. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE GOT BACK THERE AND THE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SIT AND, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR ROAD WAITING TO GET OUT ON TO US OR STATE ROAD 13. SO THAT'S WHAT I AM HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

SO MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS, BECAUSE I THINK I ALSO DID VOTE NO ON THIS THE FIRST TIME AROUND. THE COMPATIBILITY.

LET'S SAY IT WASN'T A GAS STATION. SAY IT WAS 75,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND OFFICE AND WHATNOT.

YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THIS, BUT WHAT'S THE WORSE OF TWO EVILS HERE? BOARD MEMBER MARTIN: RIGHT IT'S

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IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE. MR. WAINWRIGHT

>> PAULO SORIA: WE DO HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY OR.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: I DON'T. I THINK THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED THOSE. WE SAW THE DATA. MR. WAINWRIGHT? BOARD MEMBER WAINRIGHT: THANK YOU. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TERM. BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, I'VE SEEN IT HANDLED VERY WELL. AND WHILE GATES DOESN'T NEED ANY PROMOTION FROM ME, THEY -- I'VE SEEN IN THE GAS STATIONS OF THEIRS THAT I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN THEM PAY ATTENTION TO THAT KIND OF ISSUE.

AND CERTAINLY THEY FIT INTO THE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY BUILD THEIR STATIONS PRETTY WELL. SO, I'D OFFER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CPASS201904 ST. JOHNS COMMERCIAL FCE JULINGTON CREEK BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: MR. MATT OH VENA? BOARD MEMBER: I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR DISCUSSION.

BOARD MEMBER: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: M MR. MATOVINA? BOARD MEMBER: I REALLY LIKE DALEY'S. I HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT DALEY'S FOR COFFEE AS OPPOSED TO STARBUCKS OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT. THEY'RE GREAT CORPORATE CITIZENS. FIRST COAST ENERGY IS. I ALSO KNOW THIS AREA LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND. I KNOW IT BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. I'VE BEEN DRIVING BY IT FOR 12 YEARS. I RAN BY THIS SITE THIS MORNING. I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE FOR ABOUT A YEAR SCRATCHING MY HEAD SAYING WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS DARN THING BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS CHALLENGES. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, QUITE FRANKLY. TYING A DRIVEWAY IN TO OTOE'S PLACE IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC. MY WIFE AND I GO TO DINNER JUST ABOUT EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT AT THE GATORS ACROSS THE STREET, AND USUALLY WE MAKE A RIGHT TURN OUT OF THERE EVEN THOUGH WE LIVE SOUTH -- GATOR IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD -- WE MAKE A RIGHT TURN THEN MAKE A RIGHT AT RACE TRACK THEN ANOTHER RIGHT IN THE JULINGTON CREEK SUBDIVISION AND KEEP FOLLOWING THAT AROUND TO GET BACK TO THE LIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO JULINGTON CREEK SUBDIVISION. BECAUSE MAKING A LEFT TURN IS VERY CHALLENGING BY THE BURGER KING THERE WITHOUT A LIGHT. SO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS HERE. IF YOU PUT A GAS STATION IN HERE, TO ME IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER IF IT DIDN'T HAVE A CONNECTION TO OTOE'S PLACE. IF IT WERE JUST RIGHT HAND TURNS AND RIGHT HAND TURNS IN AND OUT. BECAUSE MOST OF THE VISITORS ARE GOING TO BE THE GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY TRAFFIC MOST LIKELY. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE HEADED SOUTH BOTH ENTERING AND EXITING THE GAS STATION. BUT GABERRING UP THESE PEOPLE'S ENTRANCES BY ALLOWING A GAS STATION TO CONNECT TO IT AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL HAPPEN AT A SPECIFIC POINT AND TIME, THAT'S TOUGH. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE U-TURNS THAT WOULD RESULT WOULD BE SUCH A GREAT THING EITHER.

WHICH IS WHERE I STRUGGLE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE COMMERCIAL OUTFIT TO THE SOUTH, THAT CENTER HAS STRUGGLED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. IT WAS EMPTY FOR YEARS. THE FORMER GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK WAS THREE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS BEFORE THEY FINALLY PUT A LESLIE'S POOL SUPPLIES IN THERE WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE SUCCEEDED. SO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE TO VOTE NO ON THIS ONE AS MUCH AS I LIKE DALEY'S.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. WHO DID NOT VOTE? BOARD MEMBER: I CAN'T GET MINE TO WORK. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: CAN WE REDO THAT? HANG ON FOR JUST A SECOND, GUYS.

>> WE'LL CONSIDER THAT VOTE VOID BECAUSE THE FULL AGENCY DIDN'T

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>> MR. CHAIR, AS YOU KNOW, A FAILED MOTION FAILS THE QUESTION PRESENTED. SO, UNLESS YOU RECONSIDER THE APPROVAL MOTION, AND THE APPLICATION CAN BE MODIFIED BY ADDITIONAL PROFESSORS, UNLESS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY MAKES A MOTION FOR DENIAL. IF THAT PASSES, THEN THE MOTION GOES FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. AS ALWAYS, IF THE CHAIR CAN CALL FOR A SPECIFIC TIME FOR ANY OTHER MOTIONS TO BE MADE, OTHERWISE IT GOES OVER TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WITH, YOU KNOW, A -- I SAID A TECHNICAL DENIAL BUT IT'S REALLY A DENIAL WITHOUT SPECIFIC FINDINGS FOR FAILURE TO OBTAIN A MAJORITY VOTE. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: UNDERSTOOD.

DR. MCCORMICK YOUR LIGHT IS ON? BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS PROPOSAL.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE TO MOTION TO DENY AND A SECOND. MR. WOODARD? BOARD MEMBER: WOODARD: BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY. THERE WAS SOME SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THAT MAYBE IF THOSE WERE ADDRESSED THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: WELL THERE WERE FOUR FOLKS WHO THOUGHT AGAINST THAT. AND SOME WERE ISSUES THAT -- LINDSAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP -- COME ON FOLKS. THE GOAL HERE IS, IS THERE A CONCESSION YOU ARE WILLING TO MAKE. AND I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I CAN'T GET MY HEAD BEHIND THE OTHER FOUR FOLKS HERE.

SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BUT OUR APPLICATION IS AS PROPOSED. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN KPPENHAFER: SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

THIS IS A MOTION TO DENY A YES VOTE IS TO DENY. MOTION IS DENIED 4-3. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS.

MS. DUSTUKES YOU GOT THE FLOOR. APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE.

T THAT WAS A LONG ONE.

SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, AGENCY MEMBERS. FOR

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FINDING IT SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF COMP FLORIDA AND LDC. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD PLEASE.

MR. APPLICANT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT WONDERFUL PRESENTATION? SPEAKER: BILL FREEMAN, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. I THINK IT WAS ALL SELF-EXPLANATORY.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A QUESTION.

MR. MARTIN? BOARD MEMBER MARTIN: IT'S JUST A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, THE PHASES GOING DOWN FROM 20 YEARS TO 10. WE JUST SAW THE PICTURE. IT'S CLEAR. BUT THERE'S NOTHING DEVELOPED. SO WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THE ACCELERATED SCHEDULE THERE? SPEAKER: THE SHERIFF WANTS TO SEE A NEW FACILITY. AND THEY HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT BOARD MEMBER: THAT'S AN AMBITIOUS TIMELINE. IT'S ONLY FIVE YEARS. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT IT. I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT IN FIVE YEARS IT COULD LOOK LIKE THAT.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. ALAIMO. DR. MCCORMICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. WHAT'S THAT, BILL? CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? THEN WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY. AT THIS POINT ANY MOTIONS? MR. ALAIMO? BOARD MEMBER ALAIMO: I SUPPORT THIS. I THINK WHERE OUR COUNTY HAS GROWN I THINK WE REALLY NEED THIS TRAINING FACILITY FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS. AND I'M HAPPY TO OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2019-10 THE SHERIFF TRAINING FACILITY BASED ON THE FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: WE HAVE A

MOTION AND A SECOND. >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU REFRAIN FROM VOTING. M MR. MATOVINA HAS NOT STATED THAT HE HAS PERMANENTLY LEFT. SO, STATUTES SAY THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO VOTE IF YOU ARE PRESENT HERE. SO WE HAVE TO DELAY THE FINAL VOTE. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: M MR. MATOVINA HAS LEFT FOR THE EVENING. HE MENTIONED THAT TO

ME. >> ALL RIGHT.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: SO WE'RE FINE TO VOTE

>> YES. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: WE HAVE A SIX-PERSON GROUP HERE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. AGENDA ITEM 3. BEVERLY FRAZIER FOR THE RECORD. I'M PRESENTING THIS FOR KIM DEL RANCE. THIS IS A ZONING VARIANCE 2019-10 FOR ADDRESS 6845A AVENUE RESIDENCE. THE REQUEST IS FOR ZONIN TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK ADJACENT TO AVENUE A FROM 25 TO 19 FEET ALLOWING FOR A COVERED PORCH. THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED STAFF UPON REVIEW REALIZED THEY ALSO NEEDED RELIEF FROM AN EXISTING TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT OF THE SECOND FRONT ALONG A1A SOUTH FOR THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND RS3 ZONING. THIS IS A LOCK AT THE LOCATION MAP TO SHOW IT DOES HAVE FRONTAGE ON A AVENUE AS WELL AS A SECOND FRONT ON A1A SOUTH. IT'S LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 206 IN CRESCENT BEACH. IT IS WITHIN THE DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL C LAND USE AND HAS RS3 ZONING. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE MIDDLETON SUBDIVISION WHICH WAS REPLATTED IN 1926 WITH RESERVE RIGHT OF WAY FOR LATER WIDENING OF A1A SOUTH. THIS IS LOT 7 AND 20 OF BLOCK 12 WHICH CREATE AS THROUGH LOT WITH FRONTAGE ON A AVENUE AND THE SECOND FRONT ON A1A SOUTH. THE CLEARANCE SHEET SHOWS A TEN FRONT FEAR SETBACK AND WAS APPROVED IN ERROR. BUILDING PERMIT WAS ISSUED AND THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED. SO PRIDE COMPLAINT WAS OPENED IN JANUARY REGARDING THE FRONT OVERHANG AT THE FRONT PORCH AND QUESTIONING THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE

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SO, WE'VE ASKED THEY REQUIRE THIS VARIANCE. SO THE THROUGH LOT IS APPROXIMATELY 4,500 SQUARE FEET WITH THE WIDTH OF 50 FEET AND DEPTH OF 90 FEET. THE REAR SETBACK ENCROACHMENT AS I EXPLAINED WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AND ADDED TO THIS ZONING VARIANCE.

THE NEED TO DEMOLISH FOR CORRECTION HAS BEEN PRACTICAL AT THIS POINT WITH THE HOUSE CONSTRUCTED. HOWEVER THE FRONT YARD ENCROACHMENT MAY BE REMEDIED BY REMOVING THE PORCH ROOF. THE CURRENT PORCH CONSTRUCTION IS POTENTIAL SAFETY HAZARDS FOR PEOPLE WALK FEEING THE SUPPORTS. STAFF DID A SITE VISIT AND TOOK A LOOK AT THIS. ORIGINALLY I THINK THEY HAD PROPOSED MAYBE COLUMNS AND THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO KEEP THAT FRONT AREA OPEN. STAFF HAS RECEIVED TWO EMAILS THAT YOU RECEIVED TODAY IN RESPONSE TO THE REQUESTED VARIANCE FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. ONE FROM THE HOME CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE SOUTH WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE FRONT YARD ENCROACHMENT AND LOT COVERAGE.

STAFF NOTES THAT LOT COVERAGE CALCULATION WAS PROVIDED THAT MEETS THE 35%. STAFF COMPLETED A SITE VISIT AND IS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS COMPRISE OF THOSE COMBINATION OF ONE AND TWO-STORY HOMES AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH. A AVENUE IS NARROW. IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET AND THE BEACH FRONT HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE ARE SET BACK QUITE A WAYS. STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAY MEET THE CRITERIA JUTE LINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BASED ON THE LOT SIZE AND SECOND FRONT REQUIREMENT. STAFF DOES NOT REJECT TO REDUCED SECOND FRONT AND SUGGEST CONDITION TO REQUIRE A SOLID FENCE OR WALL AT THE LOT BOUNDARY ADJACENT TO A1A. THE REQUESTED SETBACK WILL ALLOW THE FRONT OF THE HOME TO SIT FORWARD OF ADJACENT HOMES ON THE WEST SIDE OF A AVENUE. STAFF PROVIDES MOTIONS TO ADDRESS EACH REQUEST INDEPENDENTLY. WITH SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SIX CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL AS WELL AS FIVE FINDINGS FOR DENIAL. AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE AS WELL.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: IF THE APPLICANT CAN STEP FORWARD AND ADD ANYTHING TO THE PRESENTATION, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. SPEAKER: BART 340 AMELIA COURT ST. AUGUSTINE. I'VE BEEN BUILDING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SINCE 2006. AND I HAVE A BUILD EVERY'S LICENSE, A ROOFING LICENSE, A POOL LICENSE, AND I AM A MAJORITY OWNER OF AN ELECTRICAL COMPANY. I'M NOT ONE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS. I ALWAYS ASK FOR PERMISSION. WHEN I BOUGHT THIS LOT I DID IT, YOU KNOW, WITH KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IT WAS SO I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE AND I WENT OUT AND I CALLED D.O.T. AND BUILT HOUSES ALONG A1A BEFORE IN MIDDLETON AS WELL. CALLED D.O.T. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WILL YOU EVER GIVE ME ACCESS THROUGH A1A AS OPPOSED TO A AVENUE? THEY WROTE ME AN EMAIL SAYING THEY WOULD NOT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE LIGHT. WHEN WE DID OUR SITE PLAN WE DESIGNED IT WITH A TEN FOOT SETBACK IN THE REAR AND THE 25 ON THE FRONT. THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY DID APPROVE OUR PLAN SO WE APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT. THEY APPROVED THE PERMIT. WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE HOME WE ORIGINALLY WANTED THE COLUMNS TO HIT THE GROUND ON THE PORCH BUT WHEN WE CAUGHT THAT, WE SAID OKAY WE ALREADY HAVE THIS STRUCTURE HERE, WE'RE BUILDING THE DECK OR THE FRONT PORCH, AND WE REALIZED THAT OUR FIRST STRUCTURAL MEMBER BEING THE COLUMN NOW WOULD NOT MEET THE 25 FOOT SETBACK THAT THE GARAGE AND THE HOUSE DOES. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE APPLIED FOR A MODIFICATION OF DRAWINGS TO GET THAT 45 DEGREE ANGLE WHICH WAS APPROVED AS WELL BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT. THAT WAS DONE JUST KIND OF

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CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE. SO, STAFF MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH.

I DON'T DISAGREE. I'MEN A ARCHITECT AND HAVE THOSE BRACKETS THERE. FAIRLY RIDICULOUS.

SPEAKER: I WOULD LOVE TO GO DOWN TO THE GROUND.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY IN JUST PEELING BACK THAT ROOF ELEMENT THERE? SPEAKER: AS AN ARCHITECT YOU CAN PROBABLY LOOK AT IT AND REALIZE WHAT THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE WITHOUT THAT FRONT PORCH. I BUILT THAT HOUSE TWO OTHER TIMES AND IT REALLY IS WHAT GIVES IT THAT COTTAGE LOOK. I KNOW THERE'S NO ARC TEACHING TOURNAMENT REVIEW BARRED ON THAT ROAD OR ANYTHING BUT IT'S JUST -- IT'S KIND OF THE -- IT GIVES IT THAT CHARM. AND LIKE STAFF SAID BEFORE, THE HOUSE ISS ADJACENT ARE WAY BACK ON THE ROAD. IT'S NOT BUSY. THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM FOR PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY. NO ENCROACHMENT ON THAT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IN HOPES TO PUT A CHAIR OUT THERE AND JUST SIT OUT THERE AND LISTEN TO THE OCEAN.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: CHARM IS A VERY SUBJECTIVE THING.

PERSONALLY, IT'S A PERSONAL ISSUE TO EVERYBODY, I THINK.

ANYWAY, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S THE ONLY ENTITY HERE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT 45 DEGREE ANGLE BRACKET.

IT'S NOT A ZONING THING. SPEAKER: CORRECT.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: IN TERMS OF APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY IT'S JUST THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT THE STRUCTURE IS NOT GOING TO FALL DOWN. IN MY OPINION PULLING THIS PORCH AND OFF DOING ACCENT BAND THERE WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.

BUT I'LL SAY THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE THING. I THINK PUTTING IN A FENCE IN THE BACKYARD IS UNNATURAL SPEAKER: IF WE WERE TO GET THE FRONT SETBACK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT VERTICAL COLUMNS AND GET RID OF ANGLE COLUMNS.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT. MR. WAINWRIGHT? BOARD MEMBER WAINRIGHT: THE ALTERNATIVE TO DO AWAY WITH THOSE BRACES IS THAT CANTILEVER THAT OVERHANG. AND YOU COULD DO THAT. THAT COULD BE AESTHETICALLY MUCH MORE PLEASING. LCIS I'M NOT HERE TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR -- THE ISSUE OF AESTHETICS. BUT IT IS AN ALTERNATIVE.

SPEAKER: I THINK THE CAN'T ALEVER OPTION IS OFF THE TABLE JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT TRUSS IS DESIGNED FOR THE -- THE PORCH WAS -- THE WAIT WAS DESIGNED, IT CANNOT GO BACK INTO THE HOUSE FAR ENOUGH TO GIVE US A CAN ALEVER. BECAUSE YOU NEED A THREE TO ONE RATIO. SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SINK THE BEAMS OFF THE -- THAT GO OVER THE PORCH THAT DEEPLY INTO THE STRUCTURE. BECAUSE THE ROOF, BEING THE WAY IT IS, THEY ACTUALLY RUN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, THE TRUSSES.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT

>> MR. CHAIR, I'VE GOT KIND OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF THE AGENCY GRANTS THE VARIANCE TO THE PRIMARY FRONT YARD, IS IT STAFF'S INTERPRETATION THAT THEY CAN INSTALL POSTS TO THE EXTENSION OR DO THEY HAVE -- OR IS IT JUST FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AS CURRENTLY EXISTING AND AS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? SPEAKER I BELIEVE THE ORDER IS WRITTEN SO IT WOULD RELIEVE THE SETBACK. COLUMNS WOULD BE PLACED THERE AND WE COULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE AGENCY WANTS TO SEE. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY PUBLIC

SPEAKER CARDS >> WE HAVE ONE. I'M NOT SURE I CAN READ THE WHOLE NAME. BONNIE. COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

SPEAKER: I DON'T SEE ANY TRUE MIDDLE GROUND. MY NAME IS BONNIE CONNOR. WE'VE LIVED OR OWNED OUR HOUSE ABOUT 40 YEARS. IT TOOK US A FEW YEARS TO PAY FOR THE LOT SO THAT WE COULD THEN REDO THE HOUSE TO BE OF SATISFACTORY PLACE TO LIVE. IT STARTED OUT

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WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. IF WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY IF THE COUNTY CAN TELL ME I CAN'T BUILD BUT ONE HOUSE, I HOPE I NEVER HAVE TO, I DON'T WANT TO BECAUSE THE ROAD'S ALREADY TOO CROWDED, BUT WHEN I GET OLD IF I NEED MONEY TO EAT, YES, I'LL SELL IT IF I HAVE TO TO FEED MY GRANDCHILDREN. BUT AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RULES. EVERYBODY.

IT IS A DEMOCRACY. IT'S NOT COMMUNISM. SO, WHATEVER THE RULES ARE THE RULES. AND THE RULES SHOULD BE GONE BY AND THE WOMAN CALLING ME FROM THE COUNTY SAID THAT I WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BUT ONE HOUSE. AND SHE SAID YOU CAN GO BEFORE A COMMITTEE BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ANY DIFFERENT. YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST LET ME CHANGE IT. THAT WAS THE IMPLICATION. AND I AGREED. I SAID OKAY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT OKAY. BUT HERE WE ARE AND NOW WE'RE CONSIDERING ALLOWING THE MAN TO BUILD OVER THE ROAD. THE PICTURE THEY SHOWED WAS A NICE LITTLE PICTURE BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A TRUE IMPRESSION OF HOW CLOSE THAT HOUSE TOSS THE ROAD. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN A PICTURE MYSELF. I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. DIDN'T KNOW. MY FEELING IS WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO SIDEWALK PROVIDED FOR PEOPLE TO WALK FROM SECOND AVENUE DOWN TO CUBAGE ROAD WHICH IS THE CRESCENT BEACH PARK. THE PARK IS EXTREMELY CROWDED. THE PEOPLE COME OUT OF THERE, THEY COME DOWN OUR ROAD ON A AVENUE, COME TO SECOND STREET AND ARE PICKING UP SPEED TO GO RIGHT BACK OUT ON TO THE AVENUE. THERE IS A SIGN POSTED THAT SAID NO THROUGH TRAFFIC ALLOWED. THAT HAS NOT BEEN ENFORCED. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY TRY TO ENFORCE IT. AS FAR AS A1A GOES.

THEY PUT UP A CAUTION LIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. AS FAR AS THAT LIGHT BEING OBEYED, THAT LIGHT IS NOT OBEYED BY THE CARS AT ALL. YES MAYBE ONE OUT OF EVERY 7 CARS WILL SLOW DOWN. THE REST DON'T. THEY JUST KEEP GOING.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: MA'AM CAN YOU WRAP IT UP IN JUST A COUPLE SECONDS. YOUR TIME IS UP. SPEAKER: I WAS ONLY GOING TO SAY I HAD TO TAKE A LITTLE CHILD OUT OF THE ROAD TO KEEP THEM FROM GETTING RUN OVER BY A CAR THAT DIDN'T STOP FOR THE CAUTION LIGHT. THE MORE HOUSES MEANS MORE TRAFFIC. THE MORE TRAFFIC WE DON'T NEED. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? WE ARE OUT OF PUBLIC SPEAKING AND BACK IN THE AGENCY. I'M SORRY. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO REBUT THAT. TRYING TO MOVE THINGS ALONG HERE.

SPEAKER: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE GARAGE AND THE HOME MINUS THE PORCH IS 25 FOOT SETBACK WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT. NOW ST. JOHNS COUNTY BUILDING CODE I BELIEVE ALLOWS US TO ENCROACH INTO THE FRONT SETBACK BY THREE FEET WITH A STRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T TOUCH THE GROUND AND IS HIGHER THAN 48 INCHES, I BELIEVE. IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND MY PORCH IS SIX FEET.

I'M REALLY ENCROACHING ANOTHER THREE FEET BEYOND THAT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ABOUT 9 FEET IN THE AIR. SO THE HOUSE IS -- THE WALL OF THE HOUSE IS NO CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN JUST ABOUT ANY HOME WE BUILD. AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MUCH FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT THERE ARE OTHER LOTS THERE -- THERE IS A HOUSE BEING BUILT NEXT DOOR. SO I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO HOMES BEING BUILT IN THE FUTURE, UNFORTUNATELY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

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AND I THOUGHT THAT THE HOUSE WAS QUITE A WAYS FROM WHERE THE ROAD WAS. NOW, YOU HAVE THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT CORRECT. WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND I SAID GEE IF YOU HAD A PORCH IN THE SECOND AREA, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE GREAT SIGHT DOWN THROUGH THE -- YOU WOULD HAVE THE OCEAN VIEW EVEN. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS. ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I THINK IT'S A PROPER WHERE IT IS. AND I WOULD BE PREPARED TO FAVOR THIS PROPOSAL. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE DO

>> MR. CHAIR WE'LL CONSIDER THAT AS EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION BY MR. MCCORMICK. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: OKAY. WHEN

YOU SAID YOU VISITED THE SITE >> BECAUSE YOU ARE OBTAINING INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF THIS HEARING BECAUSE YOU MADE A SITE VISIT EXPLICITLY FOR -- BOARD MEMBER: I DIDN'T TALK TO

ANYBODY >> THE COMMUNICATION REFERS TO SITE VISITS BECAUSE YOU WERE RECEIVING INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF THIS HEARING. BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: OKAY I'M LEARNING SOMETHING. ANY WAY I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. AND MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE BOTH REQUESTS. A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2019-10 6845 A AVENUE RESIDENCE BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THIS STAFF REPORT. BOARD MEMBER: SECOND.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES.

CONGRATULATIONS. ITEM NUMBER 4. DO WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS

>> YOU DON'T BECAUSE WE IDENTIFIED TWO VARIANCES WE GAVE THE BOARD FOUR OPTIONS. AND MR. MCCORMICK SUCCESSFULLY MADE THE MOTION WITH A SECOND TO APPROVE BOTH VARIANCES TO THE PRIMARY AND THE SECONDARY. SO YOU ARE DONE WITH THIS ITEM.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: EXCELLENT. WE'RE ON TO ITEM 4. JACOB? SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT PRESENTING AGENDA ITEM 4. ZONING VICIOUS 2019-19 SOUTH

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CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. I SEE NO QUESTIONS. CAB WE HAVE THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD? IF YOU COULD ADD ANYTHING TO THE PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FIRST PLEASE. SPEAKER: FRANCIS BAGBY 170 INDIAN COVE LANE, PONTE VEDRA, 32082. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. IT'S REALLY D. E. P. WHO IS LINING THE HOUSES UP.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. WAINWRIGHT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE ONE QUESTION. ARE YOU AWARE THERE'S SIGNIFICANT LAND EROSION ALONG THAT AREA THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO BUILD ON? LAND LOSS? SPEAKER: I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE WITH IT BECAUSE THE INITIAL HOUSE COLLAPSED. AND SO FINANCIALLY IT MADE SENSE TO REBUILD THE HOUSE. AND THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WERE NEXT TO IT, THOSE PEOPLE ALSO HAD ISSUES.

SO WE DID SOME JOINT VENTURES ON IT. BUT ULTIMATELY THE COUNTY PASSING THE REPLENISHMENT PROGRAM HELPED MAKE THE DECISION. SO, I'LL BACKFILL THE PROPERTIES AFTER THAT'S BEEN PUT BACK IN. SO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, 2777, I PROBABLY WILL NOT BUILD ON IT UNTIL THAT DUNE IS IN PLACE. THE OTHER TWO ARE ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

MR. BAGBY ARE YOU INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT CRAZY PORCH AND THOSE BRACKETS WHERE YOU CAN KNOCK EVERYBODY'S HEAD FROM THE LAST APPLICANT? [LAUGHTER] SPEAKER: WHAT'S THAT? CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: I'M JUST TEASING YOU. DR. MCCORMICK DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: I DIDN'T REALIZE WHEN I VISITED SOME PLACE IT WAS EGGS PARTE. BUT I DID. I VISITED IT YESTERDAY. I WAS LOOKING, DRIVING ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT PONTE VEDRA ROAD THERE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER LOTS. THERE ARE HOMES THERE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN GRANTED A REDUCTION IN THEIR SETBACKS. OKAY. WHEN I LOOKED AT THESE TWO HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT AND THEN THE VACANT LOT, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD. WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE REDUCING THEM FROM, WHAT, 25 TO 20, THE IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S FIVE FEET CLOSER TO THE ROAD. I MEAN, YOU STEP OUT THE DOOR AND YOU ARE ALMOST GOING TO GET HIT BY THE CAR STEPPING OUT OF THE DOOR IN THIS THOSE HOMES. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'M NOT SAYING I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS NECESSARILY, BUT I JUST WONDER IF THESE OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE GOTTEN THAT SAME TYPE OF ALLOWANCE TO HAVE THOSE SETBACKS, HAVE THEY HAD PROBLEMS

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>> MR. CHAIR, MAYBE TERESA OR SOMEONE WITH MORE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY COMMON REQUEST, ESPECIALLY ON THIS AREA. IT'S USUALLY DUE TO D. E. P. AND THE INFLUENCE OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE THAT BASIC SAYS IF YOU ARE BUILDING A HOUSE, TRY TO BUILD AS LAND WARD OF THE COASTAL CONTROL LINE AS POSSIBLE. IN ADDITION, THEY'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE PLATTED BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE. IN NOVEMBER WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE BEFORE THIS AGENCY IS A CODE AMENDMENT THAT SAYS IF THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN A PLATTED BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE AND THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THE PLATTED BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE IN LIEU OF THE NORMAL SETBACKS. SO IT DOESN'T -- WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL PASS YET, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR THESE OLD PLATTED PROPERTIES THAT BUY IN REFERENCE TO A PLAT AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THEIR PLATTED BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE INSTEAD OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER: THAT WAS MY REASON FOR THE QUESTIONS. BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO KNOW EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHY. THANK YOU FOR THAT RESPONSE.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE NON-. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS VARIANCE EXPIRES ONE YEAR FROM THE MOMENT IT'S SIGNED. IF MR. BAGBY IS RELYING UPON THE RE-NOURISHMENT EFFORTS, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE RE-NOURISHMENT EFFORTS WON'T COMMENCE AND YOUR VARIANCE WILL EXPIRE IN WHICH CASE YOU WILL BE BACK BEFORE THIS AGENCY.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: MR. WOODARD? BOARD MEMBER: WOODARD I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZVAR2019-19 BEACH HOUSES 2777, 2775, 27773 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD BASED ON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO FIVE CONDITIONS. BOARD MEMBER: SECOND.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. BILL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE? BOARD MEMBER: I DID. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: HOW ABOUT AGAIN? THERE YOU GO. BOARD MEMBER: THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER [LAUGHTER] CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: HOW TOUGH IS THIS, BILL. YES OR NO.

BOARD MEMBER: BOTH LIGHTS ARE ON.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: LET'S VOTE AGAIN. FOR THE NEW GUY'S SAKE.

MR. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS. >> I AM GOING TO DECLARE I HAVE A HARD 5:15. SO, IF WE'RE NOT DONE BEFORE THEN, I AM JUST GETTING UP. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

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THE HOTEL PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR 510 HOTEL ROOMS, 400 CONDO UNITS, THE RESTAURANT, COCKTAIL LOUNGE, SPA, RETAIL AND EXHIBIT HALL. ALL THOSE WILL STAY IN PLACE. IT DOES UPDATE THE PHASING TO ALLOW THAT FUTURE RENOVATION. AND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CABANA BEACH CLUB RESTAURANT IS GOING TO BE LIMITED TO AN ADDITIONAL 300 SQUARE FEET THAN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AT 7,400 SQUARE FEET AND WILL HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING. THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS, THE SNACK BAR, THE BEACH ACCESS, ALL THAT WILL REMAINS A IT IS. THE RELOCATION OF THE DINING BUILDING WILL PROVIDE A SETBACK OF 70 FEET FROM PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AS WELL AS 20 FEET FROM THE NORTHERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY. AND THOSE ARE BOTH INCREASES. THE REDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES WILL BE COMPLETED WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF THE ADOPTION OF THE MODIFICATION. THEY DO HAVE A HANDFUL OF WAIVERS FOR THE CABANA BEACH CLUB. THEY NEED RELIEF FROM HEIGHT. THE MINIMUM YARDS AND THE BUFFERS TO REPLACE THAT BUILDING AND DUE TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BEACH CONSTRUCTION THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BRING THAT BUILDING UP FOR THE LOWEST MEMBER. SO, THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. BE A TOTAL OF 45 FEET.

WITH THE ADDITIONAL 10 FEET AND ALLOW THE TWO-STORY BUILDING WITHIN 150 FEET OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THE CONDOS THERE. MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THE SAME SETBACK AS WELL AS THE PUD PERIMETER BUFFER. FOR THE HOTEL MARRIOTT, OF COURSE THEY HAVE A HEIGHT LIMITATION THERE AS WELL.

SO, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND STAY WITH THEIR 70 FEET HOTEL TOWER FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE FIVE STORY, 65 FEET FOR THE RESORT CONDOMINIUMS AND THE FUTURE PARKING GARAGE AT 40 FEET. THEY ALSO SUBMITTED A PARKING MEAD KNEADS ANALYSIS FOR WHEN THEY WERE APPROVED IN 2007 IF. IT WAS ACCEPTED AS A WAIVER TO ALLOW THEM TO INCREASE PARKING BY 125 SPACES BASED ON NEED. SO, WE'LL CONTINUE TO INCLUDE THESE IN THE MODIFICATION. JUST A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S PROVIDED FOR THE CABANA BEACH CLUB. YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT IS LIMITED FOR REDEVELOPMENT JUST OF THIS AREA. AND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY WILL STAY THE SAME. CLOSER LOOK AT THAT SHOWS THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING CHANGING SO IT TOTALLY FACES THE OCEANFRONT AND MOVES BACK 70 FEET AND PROVIDES THE 20. BASED ON THE EXISTING ENTRANCE THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN AND KEEP THE SERVICE ENTRANCE. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRING SOME OF THE PERIMETER BUFFER RELIEF. THIS IS A LOOK AT THE EXISTING HOTEL WHICH WILL REMAIN THE SAME. SO, MODIFICATION IS TO COMBINE THE TWO PROPERTIES UNDER THE SINGLE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND BASED ON THOSE LIMITED USE ALLOWANCES SHARED OWNERSHIP AS WELL AS THE SAME DRI. THE COMBINED MDP UPDATEDS THE PRAISE F PHASING. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE REQUESTED WAIVERS. THE PONTE VEDRA PALM VALLEY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD AS WELL AS THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING ADJUSTMENT BOARD BOTH RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AND NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS PROVIDED DURING THE HEARINGS. STAFF HAS BEEN CONTACTED BY THREE RESIDENTS FROM THE BREAKERS CONDOMINIUMS. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT REBUILDING OF THE RESTAURANT BUILDING. ONLY IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS WERE GOING TO BE MADE TO THE SOUTH PART OF THAT PARCEL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION AND PROVIDES 7 FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT A MOTION OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL. AND I'LL JUST STOP THERE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER MARTIN: I NEED TO DECLARE EX-PARTE. I SPOKE WITH MR. KELLY WHO IS HERE TODAY. AND HE JUST WALKED ME THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND TALKED ABOUT THE WAIVERS THEY HAD REQUESTED. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU.

I NEED TO DECLARE EX-PARTE AS WELL. I HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH MR. KELLY. BOARD MEMBER: I DO TOO. I HAVE TO DECLARE EX-PARTE BECAUSE OF MY DISCUSSION WITH MR. KELLY AND ALSO BECAUSE I WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THE CABANA.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD PLEASE.

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CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY ECOQUESTIONS FORE APPLICANT? MR. WAINWRIGHT. BOARD MEMBER WAINRIGHT: I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WITH RESPECT TO THE HEIGHT VARIANCE REQUESTED, THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING BUILDING IS THAT CORRECT. SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

BOARD MEMBER WAINRIGHT: FIVE FEET ABOVE THAT.

SPEAKER: THE STRUCTRE IT SELF FROM GROUND FLOOR TO THE TOP ROOF LINE WILL BE THE SAME. THAT'S THE 40 FEET. WHAT'S CHANGING THE GRADE. WE'RE HAVING TO BUILD ON STICKS FOR THE FEMA AND FLOOD PLAIN REGULATIONS. THAT IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR-AND-A-HALF FEET FROM WHERE IT IS TODAY.

BOARD MEMBER WAINRIGHT: SO YOU WILL BE IN THE GRADE THAT EXISTS THERE NOW YOU WILL BE UP FOUR-AND-A-HALF FEET? SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: WE'VE DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST WHERE ANYTHING ON THE OCEAN NEEDS TO BE ABOVE A CERTAIN FLOOD PLAIN AND BECAUSE IT'S ON PILES BECAUSE IT'S ON THE OCEAN ESSENTIALLY, WE BASICALLY ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN. IT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. IN TERMS OF HEIGHT. SO I APPLAUD YOU IN TERMS OF TRYING TO KEEP THE SAME HEIGHT BUT YOU ARE FORCED TO GO FOR OTHER REASONS? QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? BOARD MEMBER MCCORMICK: I'M PREPARED -- CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT THE END OF THIS THING SO YOU KNOW THE PROCESS. BECAUSE THIS IS DRIVING ME NUTS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APP PEL I CAN'T? WE DON'T. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SPEAKER: THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? WE ARE BACK IN THE ACTION. NOW IS WHEN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION. WHEN WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY.

BOARD MEMBER: MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR

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CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU MR. MARTIN. APPRECIATE YOUR

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TO SUMMARIZE THE APPLICATION. THIS IS REZONING RS3 TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING ADJACENT VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP. THE EXPANSION AREA IS PROPOSED FOR PARKING AND SERVICE OF VEHICLES. IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE A CAR WASH AND SALES OFFICE. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THE CURRENT ZONING OF RS3 AND THE ADJACENT PARTS TO THE EAST WHICH IS THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING REVIEW THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ALLOWS HIGH INTENSITY USES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE CAR WASH FACILITIES, THE SALE AND REPAIR OR SERVICE OF NEW OR USED AUTOMOBILES WHICH MAY BE PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. AND THE ZONING DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND GENERAL BUSINESS USES INCLUDING PROFESSIONAL OFFICES WHICH THIS PROPOSAL MAY ALSO INCLUDE. THIS IS A TABLE SHOWING THE CURRENT ALLOWED USES AND THE RS ZONING.

AND THE AUSE CATEGORIES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT PROPOSED OF COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WITH MORE USE CATEGORIES IN THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT. STAFF NIPPEDS REQUESTED ZONING APPEARS COMBAT WILL BE THE AREA AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A MIXED USE AREA WITH POTENTIAL TO DEVELOPMENT LIMITED NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES BEING THAT THE PROPERTY IS LESS THAN A ACRE.

THE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD APPLY AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR A 20B BUFFER TO BE APPLIED TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP SHOWING THE NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES WITHIN A MILE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OF APPROXIMATELY 33 ACRES ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH OTHER CAR DEALERSHIPS. THIS TABLE SHOWS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THOSE SURROUNDING USES. MOST OF THEM BEING EITHER VACANT OR COMMERCIAL WITH SIMILAR USES. STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE CORRESPONDENCE AS OF THE WRITING OF THE STAFF REPORT EXPRESSING OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING REQUEST FOR REASONS RELATED TO POTENTIAL SAFETY AND NOISE ISSUES. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS REZONING.

STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THERE ARE FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO APPROVE. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VALERIE. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD AND LO AND BEHOLD IS THAT A FAMILIAR FACE IN THIS AUDITORIUM? SORRY, IT'S LATE [LAUGHTER] SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. SHANNON OZ AVEDA FOR THE RECORD WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP, ST. AUGUSTINE FLORIDA. I PROMISE, PROMISE, PROMISE THIS WILL BE VERY QUICK. THIS IS FOR THE VOLKSWAGEN REZONING FOR .8 ACRES HAS VALERIE MENTIONED. I JUST WANTED TO TALK FOR A MINUTE ABOUT COMPATIBILITY ALONG THE U.S. 1 CORRIDOR. AS VALERIE MENTIONED IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION THERE ARE QUITE A FEW C. I. PROPERTIES THAT THIS EXTENSION OF THE VOLKSWAGEN WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH ALONG U.S. 1. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL. SO, THE C. I. YOU SEE ON THE MAP IS THE ORANGE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT COMMERCIAL IN GENERAL AND THIS IS IN RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED C. I. YOU SEE THERE AT THE .8 ACRES, YOU CAN START TO SEE A PATTERN WHERE OLD MULTRY ROAD CREATES THE SORT OF ADJACENT SEAT TO WHERE COMMERCIAL HAS BEEN EXPANDING IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF THE MORE INTENSIVE USES

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HERE IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE GRAY AREA HERE IS WHERE THE PARKING EXPANSION AREA COULD GO.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL HAVE TO PLAN FOR STORM WATER RETENTION AND WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT ON SITE AND THEN AS VALERIE MENTIONED A 20B BUFFER SURROUNDING THE AREA NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AND SO, WITH THAT, , THE PROPOSED CI ZONING WOULD BE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA IN TERMS OF THE CORRIDOR AND THE VEERYING INTENSITIES OF THE COMMERCIAL THAT EXISTS INCLUDING THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP AND THE PROPOSED USE OF ADDITIONAL VEHICLE STORAGE WOULD NOT RESULT IN UNREASONABLE IMPACTS. DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS. IT'S AN EXISTING BUSINESS. AND THIS WILL BE FOR ADDITIONAL STORAGE OF VEHICLES. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE OWNER IS PRESENT IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUSINESS ITSELF. WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.

CHAIRMAN KOPPENHAFER: WE DO. MR. ALAIMO? BOARD MEMBER: I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. THERE WON'T BE ANY DIRECT ACCESS FROM MENENDEZ OR ALHAMBRA?

SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. >>>FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE TO THE WEST, ANY COMMENTS? ANY FEED BACK FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA?

>> WE DID GET AN A-B-O. THE PERSON THAT LIVES, OOPS. IN THE RESIDENCE IN THIS AREA.

KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER AND DID RESPOND TO THAT RESIDENT. THEIR CONCERN WAS ABOUT NOISE IN PARTICULAR.

I THINK THERE HAD BEEN AN EVENT A FEW YEARS PAST WENT A LITTLE LATE AND WAS NOISY.

WE DID REPLY AND CONFIRM EVENTS AREN'T A NORMAL PART OF THE BUSINESS ACTIVITY AND BUSINESS

OPERATIONS ARE NOT EXPECTED TO CHANGE. >>>GIVEN WHERE YOU ARE, THAT BUFFER IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THOSE FOLKS TO WEST AND A LITTLE BIT TO NORTH AND SOUTH.

BEING SURE THAT THAT BUFFER IS HONORED AND FULFILLS IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.

>> YES. ABSOLUTELY. >>>SHARON, SO I DID NOT MAKE A SITE VISIT. I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL MAP. WHAT IS EXACTLY WEST OF E

EL HAMBRE. >> THERE'S ONE EXISTING RESIDENT.

THE ONE THAT WROTE THE LETTER. IT'S AN OLD PLATTED SUBDIVISION, PARTIALLY DEVELOPED.

A LOT OF LAND IS VACANT BUT THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS. >> WHERE IS THAT RESIDENCE?

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>> IMAGINE THERE'S A ROADWAY HERE AND THEN THE RESIDENT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF

THE STREET TO THE WEST. >> ON THE BACKSIDE. SO NOTHING FRONTS.

>> THAT ONE IS BETTER. >> I SEE IT. IS THAT A HOUSE RIGHT THERE?

>> I THINK IT'S THIS ONE HERE. >> SORRY.

>> I THINK. >> WHAT IS THIS RIGHT SNEER >> THAT'S VACANT.

THEN THERE'S ANOTHER HOME DOWN HERE AND THEN THESE THREE LOTS ARE VACANT, AS WELL.

>> DID ANYONE MAKE A SITE VISIT? BILL, YOU DIDN'T DRIVE DOWN HERE? YOU DROVE EVERYWHERE ELSE. SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC.

>> I MADE A SITE VISIT. THAT'S ANOTHER -- >> YOU CAN'T TEACH THIS GUY.

>> I VISITED OVER THERE AND I SAW, I THINK, WHERE THE LOT WAS GOING TO BE.

IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE WERE MORE HOUSES JUST ON THE STREET THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THE VOLKSWAGON. IF I WAS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, AND I THINK I WAS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT BARRIER THERE AND EVERYTHING. BUT YOU ARE CLOSE TO WHERE THOSE HOMES ARE.

THEY HAD TOYS AND STUFF OUT FOR THEIR KIDS. THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THIS LOT IS THAT FOLKS ARE, WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR CARS, I THINK.

UNLESS I LOOKED AT -- MY WIFE WAS WITH ME. >> I JUST LOOKED ON MY PHONE. THAT'S A HOUSE THERE. THERE'S A CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY

THERE, RIGHT HERE. THAT'S A HOUSE. >> ON THIS LOT?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S A HOUSE.

IS THIS A PAVED ROAD? >> IT DOES. IT'S PAVED TO A CERTAIN POINT

BUT IT'S NOT DEVELOPED ALL THE WAY DOWN. >> DOESN'T LOOK PAVED ON THIS THING. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A DIRT SOMETHING OR ANOTHER.

>> ANYWAY, MY ONLY POINT AND I SHARE, I THINK, ROY MENTIONED IT.

THE 20 FOOT HERE, YOU KNOW, IS ESSENTIALLY THE FRONT YARD OF WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A RESIDENCE ACROSS THE STREET. WHICH I ASSUME IS A 25-FOOT YARD SET BACK, FOR THE MOST PART?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IN YOUR 20 FOOT TYPE WHATEVER, B BUFFER, WAS THAT IT?

>> YES. >> CAN YOU REMIND ME OF WHAT THAT BUFFER IS?

>> SURE. IN THE 20B BUFFER SCENARIO, YOU HAVE 20 FEAT FEET OF WIDTH AND B SCREENING WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF A COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU CAN HAVE A 6-FOOT FENCE, WOODEN OR MASONRY WALL. YOU CAN ALSO HAVE 6-FOOT GREENERY HEDGES THAT HAVE 70% OPACITY. IN THIS CASE PROBABLY OPT FOR THE FENCE SINCE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE PERMANENT. THE OTHER THING YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE IS CANOPY TREES ONE PLACED EVERY 20 LINEAR FEET THROUGHOUT THE 20-FOOT BUFFER.

>> AND YOU INTEND ON DOING THE FENCE AND THE CANOPY TREES? >> YES.

>> OKAY. MY CONCERN IS THE COMPATIBILITY WITH FOLKS.

I KNOW IT'S MIXED MIX USE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING WEST OF EL PRESIDENT HOMBRE IS RESIDENTIAL.

>> THAT'S TRUE AND ZONED R3 IN THAT AREA. >> DR. MCCORMICK YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY. ANYMORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE NONE. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? NO. WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY THEN.

MR. WAYNERIGHT. >> I OFFER MOTION UNLESS THERE'S DISCUSSION.

>> I SEE NO OTHER ONE LIT UP. DO.

>> I OFFER MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVE OF 2019-11VOLKSWAGON PARKING

EXPENSION BASED UPON FINDING OF FACT. >> I SEGD THE MOTION.

>> THE MOTION IS SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

>>>I GOT BOTH OF THEM BLINKING AGAIN. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS.

[Item 7]

>>>THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. S OF THE AGENCY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 REZONING

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THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE DESIGNATED MIXED USE ON THE FUTURE LAND MAP AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OPEN RURAL. AS MENTIONED THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 8 ACRES TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL. IN ORDER TO BRING AN EXISTING SKILLED NURSING AND REHABILITATION FACILITY CURRENT WITH CODES.

ACCORDING TO APPLICATION MATERIALS PROVIDES ALLOWING FOR FUTURE IMPROOUVENLTS AND EXPANSIONS UNDER CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

STAFF REVIEW SHOWS THE EXISTING BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 40 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

THE FACILITY WAS BUILT IN 1984 BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF CURRENT ST. JOHNS COUNTY CODE.

THE CURRENT USE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE RURAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND CONSIDERED A NONCONFORMING USE. PER SECTION 10032A ENLARGED AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT CODE. PROVIDED IS A TABLE SHOWING THE TYPES OF USE CATEGORIES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN CG ZONING. THE SKILLED NURSING AND REHAB FACILITY IS A GENERAL BUSINESS TYPE USE WHICH IS PERMITTED. THE PROPOSED REZONING COMPATIBLE WITH FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ELIMINATING INTENSE USES CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER THE RURAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION SUCH AS MINING AND EXTRACTION. PROVIDED IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP SHOWING SIMILARLY ZONED PROPERTIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. A MAJORITY ALLOW FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE TYPE USES. STAFF RECEIVED NO PHONE CALLS OR CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT THE ZONING.

STAFF FINDS IT MEETS THE LDC AND KOFRM LAND AND PROVIDED FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL.

INCLUDING STAFF PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION STANDBY FOR QUESTIONS AND

COMMENTS. >> A QUICK ONE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE IT CHANGED. I WANT TO BE BRIEF. IS NOT SENIOR LIVING ALLOWED IN

AN O-R ZONING? >> CORRECT. ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED?

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS CURRENTLY ALLOWED. >> IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

THE PROBLEM THEY ARE RUNNING INTO IS THAT IT'S CURRENTLY OPEN RURAL AND THEY WANT TO EXPAND IT. SINCE IT'S BEEN THERE BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE CODE.

>> MR. SHARON, MAKE TERESA CAN CHIME IN. I THINK THIS REQUIRES NURSES.

THAT'S THE DISTINCTION. WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING IS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.

WE TREAT THEM AS APARTMENT, A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT. THIS REQUIRES SKILL CARE.

THIS IS A CARE FACILITY. THAT'S THE PRIMARY DISTINCTION. THEY ARE CATEGORY RISING TWO

SEPARATE USES. >> THANK YOU. >> AGAIN, I DECLARE.

I WENT AND VISITED. DIDN'T TALK TO ANYBODY BUT I VISITED.

>> KAREN? GOOD EVENING. KAREN TAYLOR 77SARAGOSSIS STREET. ROB IS HERE WITH ME. THE VISE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR GRACE STONE HEALTHCARE MANAGEMENT. THEY PURCHASED THIS NEW SITE AN MIKE HAD THE RIGHT QUESTION. THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY.

IT'S NOT JUST ASSISTED LIVING OR THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY. I'LL GO THROUGH MINE FAST.

YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS. JUSTIN GAVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF IT.

IT'S DEFINITELY RIGHT WELL WITHIN THE AREA. IT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1984.

CLOSE TO THE HOSPITAL. IT'S CLOSE TO ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF ACTIVITIES.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE BUILT AROUND IT THE COBBLESTONE SHOPPING CENTER AND YOU CAN NOTE, TOO THE COUPLE OF DOCTOR'S OFFICES THAT ARE THE FRONTAGE. BASICALLY THE ACCESS IS JUST IN THIS LOCATION. OF COURSE, OLDER AERIAL BECAUSE THE LOWES IS THERE NOW.

IT SHOWS YOU AGAIN IN THE CENTER OF THE MIXED USE AREA. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE ZONING MAP HE HAS. I THINK THE INTERESTING THING IS YOU GO PRETTY FAR OUT AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY OTHER O-R ZONING EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE PIECE. ADJACENT TO THAT P-E-D BEHIND IT. PROPERTY THAT'S IN CONSERVATION. AS HE SAID IT'S 8 ACRES.

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THIS IS THE ACTIVITY AREA THAT PROVIDES FOR ALL THE SERVICES AND ACTIVITIES.

RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO DO ANYTHING BUT THEY DO, OBVIOUSLY, HAVE MORE SITE AVAILABLE LEFT TO IT. THAT'S A CLOSE UP. AGAIN, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. IT FITS IN WITH THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND IT'S LESS INTENSE THAN A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL AROUND IT. CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. ANY BUFFERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT ANY TIME THEY DO IMPROVEMENTS. WITH THAT I WILL OFFER IT BACK TO YOU ALL.

WE'RE REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AGAIN, ROB IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE NONE. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?

WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY. MR. WAYNERIGHT. >> I OFFER A MOTION UNLESS

SOMEBODY ELSE WISHES TO. >> IT'S ALL YOURS. >> I MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESIDENT 2019-13 COMPS THERAPY CARE CRIMINAL INTENTER.

REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 8 ACRES OF LAND OPEN RURAL O-R TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL CG BASED

ON FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND THE MOTION.

>>>MOTION A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS. CONGRATULATIONS.

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LAST BUT NOT LEAST. SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE AGENCIES. WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THIS IS PUD APPLICATION FOR I-G-P COMMERCE CENTER. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM OPEN RURAL AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE SITE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY. CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION WITH U.S. 1. IT IS WITHIN AN INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE AREA.

IT IS ZONED O-R. THERE IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TO THE EAST AND P-D TO THE WEST.

THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 59 ACRES FROM O-R AND I-W TO P-U-D.

THEY ARE PLANNING IT AS AN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK WITH A MAXIMUM OF 290 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HOLDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR RECYCLING, WHICH IS STILL VALID. THAT USE WOULD BE PERMITTED IN A P-U-D.

IT HAS APPROXIMATELY 33 ACRES OF WETLANDS AND 29 DEVELOPABLE ACRES.

THEY ARE PROPOSING ONE 15-YEAR PHASE COMMENCING WITHIN TEN YEARS OF APPROVAL AT THE LATEST.

THERE'S A WAIVER REQUESTED RELATED TO THAT. THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOOKS ESSENTIALLY LIKE THIS AT THIS POINT. IT'S A SINGLE ROAD WITH A CUL-DE-SAC AND POTENTIAL PARCELS ON BOTH SIDES. THIS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE VERY TYPICAL FOR A BUSINESS PARK OF THIS TYPE WITH INDUSTRIAL USES.

THE WAIVERS INCLUDE WAIVER THAT I JUST MENTIONED. THE LAND CODE REQUIRES P-U-DS TO BE DEVELOPED WITHIN FIVE TO TEN YEARS PHASES. THEY ARE COMMENTING TO REQUEST TEN YEARS AND COMPLETE WITHIN FIFTEEN. THIS ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBLE PHASING TO ATTRACT KEY BUSINESSES. THAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THAT WAIVER.

THE SECOND IS REGARDING MAXIMUM SIGN HEIGHT. THEY ARE REQUESTING 35 FEET FOR THEIR PROJECT MONUMENT SIGNAGE WHERE 15 FEET IS THE PERMITTED MAX.

THE JUSTIFICATION IS THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE SIGNS SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY SCALED TO THE CENTER TO THE PROJECT AND INDIVIDUAL USERS. STAFF SUGGESTS THE MAXIMUM SIGN FOR 25 FEET COMMON FOR COMMERCIAL CENTERS. THE THIRD IS A WAIVER TO REQUEST FOR GROUND SIGNS. REQUESTING GROUND SIGNS FOR EACH PARCEL OF 15-FEET OF HEIGHT AND 150 FEET OF A-D-A. THIS IS BASED ON PROVIDING SIGNAGE SIMILAR TO COMMERCIAL

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STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT THAT THAT WAIVER. THE FOURTH IS PUBLIC INFORMATION SIGNS. THE REQUEST TO ALLOW TO PROVIDE UP TO THREE SIGNS WHICH WOULD BE SIX FOOT IN HEIGHT AND 32 SQUARE FEET A-D-A. THE REQUIREMENT IS CURRENTLY THREE FEET OF HEIGHT AND THREE SQUARE FEET OF A-D-A. THE JUSTIFICATION IS GIVEN BECAUSE OF THE SITE OF THE CENTER THEY NEED MORE WAY FAIRING SIGNAGE AND STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE UNIFORM SIGN PLAN TO BE A PART OF THE P-U-D APPLICATION. AT THIS POINT THEY WOULD SUBMIT IT AT THE TIME OF HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION. WHENEVER THE SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPLICATION WOULD COME IN, STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THAT REQUEST. THE NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS EXEMPT FROM CON CURRENCY PER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 1100.05 WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2018.

A DETAILED SITE ACCESS AND OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL. THAT WOULD BE TO EVALUATE THE NEED FOR IMPROVEMENTS FOR SAFE AND EFFICIENT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THE ANTICIPATED DAILY TRAFFIC, IF IT WOULD EXCEED FIVE HUNDRED TRIPS WOULD REQUIRE RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES. IT'S TO BE SERVED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY DISTRICT. THERE'S AVAILABLE CAPACITY AS NOTED IN THE LETTER THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET AND THERE'S EXISTING MAINS INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER.

THERE'S FIRE SERVICES WITHIN FIVE ROAD MILES OF THE SITE AND SOLID WASTE WOULD COMPLY WITH REGULATIONS IN PLACE. SO THE EXISTING ZONING IS OPEN RURAL AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT TO P-U-D. THAT WOULD ADD HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY CHANGE FROM THAT PORTION OF THE LAND, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE. THE MAJORITY OF THIS OR A LARGER PORTION IS O-R BUT IT'S IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA OF THE COUNTY. FOR COMPATIBILITY THIS PRETTY MUCH SHOWS WHAT I JUST SAID.

IT IS SIMILAR TO THE USES AROUND IT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.

THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT IS FOR A PLANNED INDUSTRIAL CENTER BUSINESS PARK.

THE INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS OPTIMUM FOR THAT TYPE OF USE AND THE USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AREA. STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO PHONE CALLS OR CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THIS REQUESTED REZONING.

WE SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND FIND IT'S GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STAFF PROVIDED FINDINGS OF FACT FOR MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND

I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. ALAMAO.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRPERSON. OPEN RURAL AND INDUSTRIAL DON'T

INCLUDE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL? >> NO. >> IT'S GOT TO BE A P-U-D? ALL RIGHT. I KNOW THE CHAIRMAN IS OUR SIGN GUY.

HE'LL DIVE INTO THAT. THAT WAS MY QUESTION I HAD. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> MR. BURNETT, YOU DRESSED UP TODAY.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. >> PULL YOU OFF THE GOLF

COURSE? >> WHEN YOU GO TO THE BANK AND BORROW MONEY YOU PUT YOUR SUIT AND TIE ONTO LOOK YOUR BEST. WHEN YOU MAKE A DEPOSIT IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU.

IT'S 290 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL. IT'S WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS.

I FIGURE I COULD DRESS DOWN AND GET AWAY WITH IT TODAY. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE NOT

SHAVING? >> THAT'S CORRECT. I APPRECIATE THAT.

WITH ME TODAY IS MY CLIENT, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. ROBERT THOMAS.

ONE THING THIS IS THE SMART RECYCLING SITE. SO IT CURRENTLY HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN PLACE FOR A RECYCLING CENTER. IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON THE PROPERTY. I WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST KNOWING THE THINGS THAT YOU LOOK OUT FOR THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT. OUR ACCESS POINT IS LOOSELY WHERE THIS DIRT ROAD IS ALREADY THERE. WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE AERIAL. WE'RE OVER 1200 FEET BEFORE YOU GET TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A GREAT SEPARATION BETWEEN US AND THE FIRST POINT WHERE A TRUCK WOULD STOP WHERE THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A CONFLICT WITH TRAFFIC.

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BASICALLY, WHAT THIS IS LAYING OUT FOR IS SO YOU HAVE LOOSELY ONE AND A HALF ACRE INDIVIDUAL SITES. 17 OF THEM THAT COULD BE USED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT REALLY PUTS THIS SITE TO WHERE IT WOULD BE TURNKEY AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE YOU COULD SELL INDIVIDUAL SITES OR COMBINATION OF THESE LOTS TO ACCOMMODATE A LARGER USE.

JUST TAKING A LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY. ONE OF OUR WAIVERS, BY THE WAY, MS. MAY IN HER PRESENTATION, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, ASSUMING IT'S A FAIR ONE, MAKES THE MOTION WILL AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THAT SIGN THAT'S OUT BY THE ROAD ON I-G-P THAT WE ASKED FOR IT TO BE 35 FEET IN HEIGHT. WE'LL AGREE TO MAKE IT 25 FEET IN HEIGHT. STILL REQUIRES A WAIVER BUT THAT'S REASONABLE.

I ASKED MR. THOMAS IF HE'S OKAY WITH IT. HE'S FINE WITH IT.

ONE OF OUR WAIVERS THOUGH TALKS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL SIGNS FOR EACH SITE.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU TURN OFF THE ROAD, INTERNET TO OUR SITE IS AN INDIVIDUAL MONUMENT SIGN. IT MAY NOT BE A WAIVER THAT'S REQUIRED BUT HERE'S THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ISSUE. OUR MAIN ENTRY ROAD IS A ROAD THAT ALSO SERVES GRUMMONDS PROPERTY BACK HERE AND ANOTHER OWNER OF PROPERTY. THE ENTRY ROAD IS SUBJECT TO AN EASEMENT CURRENTLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AND SEE THE DIRT ROAD THERE THAT'S A DIRT ROAD OCCASIONALLY USED TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY. BECAUSE OF THAT IT MAY BECOME, AT SOME POINT IN TIME FOR WHATEVER REASON THE COUNTY TAKES OVER THE ROAD OR IT'S DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS ALONG HERE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INDIVIDUAL MONUMENT SIGN, POTENTIALLY. WE WANT TO COVER THAT BY LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND SAY, WELL, IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE INDIVIDUAL LOTS COULDN'T HAVE THEIR OWN SIGN ALONG THE ROAD. HE THINKS THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR POTENTIAL USERS. WHEN YOU TURN DOWN YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THE USE IS IN AN INDUSTRIAL CENTER. ADDITIONALLY, THE WAY FAIRER SIGNS WE ENVISION THOSE THAT MAY SAY LOADING AROUND BACK. NEXT ENTRY FOR CUSTOMERS OR THE LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE SOME SIGNAGE. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIGGER SIGNAGE.

YOU MAY HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS. THAT MAY BE HELPFUL TO THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, A RECYCLING CENTER, WASTE AWAY AREA AND THOSE THINGS. IT MAY BE YOU HAVE BRAND ON ONE SIGH AND ADDITIONAL WAYFARE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO PRESENT.

YOU CAN ASK MR. THOMAS, IF YOU LIKE. HE'S OWNED THE PROPERTY A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. THE WAIVER RELATED TO PHASING JUST IS RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT INDUSTRIAL SITES ARE HARD TO BRING TO FRUITION. IT MAY BE HE NEEDS ADDITIONAL

TIME TO GET THIS THING OFF THE GROUND. >> I DON'T SEE ANY BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT SIGNS. I APPRECIATE YOU GOING 25 FEET ON THE I-G-P ROAD.

15 FOOT HEIGHT SIGN. THIS IS DEAD STRAIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A BLIND CURVE AND YOU CAN'T MISS IT, THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIGN, AS WELL. 15 FEET, IT'S A 10 FAT BY 15 FOOT SIGN.

THAT'S JUST THE A-D-A, LET ALONE THE OTHER STUFF. THAT'S A LOT FOR AN ACRE AND A

HALF SITE. >> I GUESS YOU REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE THAT SIGNAGE WAIVER. IT'S REALLY CONTEMPLATED IF THE ROAD IS DEDICATED TO O THE COUNTY IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE WAIVER IS REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S INTERNAL

TO OUR PROJECT AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT. >> I CAN CHIME IN ON THIS ONE. THE WAY THAT I REWROTE THIS SIGN PROVISIONS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. EVERY SINGLE PARCEL KIND OF, UNLESS THEY FOLLOW A UNIFIED SIGN PLAN SHARES THE MAXIMUM FOR MONUMENT SIGNS. HOWEVER MANY PARCELS THEY HAVE, THE P-U-D, AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE WE TREAT IT AS ONE SITE. DEPENDING ON THE ROAD FRONTAGE.

TWO OF THEM AT 150 AND TWO OF THEM AT ONE HUNDRED. EACH AND EVERY PARCEL SITE WANTS THEIR OWN SEPARATE MONUMENT SIGN THAT DOES REQUIRE A WAIVER. THE CON TEP POLICE STATION WITH P-U-D IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED AS A UNIFIED CENTER AND THEY HAVE ONE LARGEISH SIGN

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BECAUSE THIS IS ONE SINGULAR P-U-D, UNLESS THEY FILE A UNIFIED SIGN PLAN, THEN THE

ENTIRE P-U-D IS LIMITED TO THOSE FOUR SIGNS. >> A UNIFIED SIGN PLAN LIGHT

VERSION? >> PRETTY MUCH. WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THESE LIKE SMALL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, A LOT OF THEM WANT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RATHER THAN HAVING TO DETAIL, YOU KNOW, AND CREATE THEIR OWN UNIFIED SIGN PLAN. SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. SOME JUST WANT TO DEFER TO THE L-D-C. SO WE PROVIDED THAT OPTION AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT SEEKING A WAIVER FROM ANY OF THE SIGN CODE PROVISIONS YOU CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE L-D-C.

BUT YOU ARE LIMITED TO THE P-U-D, AS A WHOLE, TO YOUR SIGN ALLOTMENTS.

THAT'S FOUR SIGNS, WHICH MAYBE ONE ADDITIONAL EYE DENTIFICATION SIGN BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

>> I GET THE LOGIC. I'M JUST THE SENSITIVE SIGN GUY WHO GREW UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT A 15 BY 10 FOOT SIGN IS A BIG SIGN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 17 OF THEM DOWN THE STREET STRAIGHT AS AN ARROW AND ALMOST COMPETE WITH EVERYONE AT THAT POINT. THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SIGNS ARE THOSE ON PROPERTY? ON THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES?

THESE 17? >> NO. WE'VE ASKED FOR A TOTAL OF SIX

OF THEM, I BELIEVE AND THEY BE SLIGHTLY LARGER. >> THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SIGN YOU DESCRIBED. THE TRUCK ENTRANCES IN THE BACK IS ON THE MAIN ROAD?

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. >> WHEN YOU SAY MAIN ROAD DO

YOU MEAN I-G-P OR THE SPINE ROAD? >> THE SPINE ROAD ITSELF.

>> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. A LOT OF SIGNS.

ANYMORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE NONE.

ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS? WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY. COMMENT, THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS?

MR. WAYNERIGHT. >> I GO OFFER A MOTION BUT IF THERE'S OTHERS.

>> QUESTION? >> MOTION. >> I OFFER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APRAUFL OF P-U-D201803-I-G-P COMMERCE CENTER BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THE SIGN HEIGHT, THAT ONE SIGN HEIGHT IS REDUCED TO 25 FEET.

I THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN AGREED TO. >> THAT'S THE MONUMENT SIGN?

>> YES. >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> MOTION THE SECOND.

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU? >> YES. INCORPORATING THE FINDINGS WITH THE PROPER TO REDUCE THAT PRIMARY MONUMENT SIGN ON I-G-P TO 25.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? I SEE NONE, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS. SNAP REPORTS.

>> THERE IS NONE, SIR, THANK YOU. >>>AGENCY REPORTS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO WE'VE GOT TWO MEMBERS EXPIRING THIS MONTH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. DO WE HAVE ANY RESUMES WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT?

>> YOU DO. WE WILL HAVE THAT ON A VERY FAUCH AGENDA COMING TO YOU.

YES, SIR, IT WAS ADVERTISED. ADMINISTRATION ADVERTISED IT AND WE DO HAVE RESUMES THAT HAVE

COME IN. >> YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESUMES.

>> A LOT OF RESUMES. >> IS THE GENERAL GOAL LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

YOU SEND THOSE OUT TO US AND MAYBE WE HAVE A TOPIC POINT ON THE AGENDA THAT DISCUSSES THAT

AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS? >> YES. >> GREAT.

>> WE WILL HAVE THOSE APPLICATIONS BEFORE THE MEETING? YES?

NO? >> IT'LL BE IN THE SAME PACKET.

>> YOU'LL GET THEM AS PART OF THE PACKET. >> HOW MANY APPLICANTS DO

YOU HAVE? >> I DID NOT COUNT. I AM IN THE PROCESS OF VETTING THEM FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YOU KNOW, CONFLICT CHECK AND RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LET ME CHECK REALLY QUICKLY.

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>> APPROXIMATELY 15, I THINK, 20, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT?

>> JUST A REMINDER, IF YOU ARE CONTACTED BY ANY PERSON YOU CAN SPEAK TO THEM SO LONG AS THEY ARE NOT AN EXISTING AGENCY MEMBER. BUT I THINK THE TWO MEMBERSHIP POSITIONS ARE THE TWO-TERM LIMIT. BUT YOU ARE PERMITTED TO SPEAK TO ANY NONAGENCY MEMBER IF ANYONE WANTS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH ANY APPLICANT

FOR APPOINTMENT. >> OKAY. AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. WHEN WE HAVE MORE CONTENTIOUS ISSUES WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS, TO ME IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL TO PUSH THOSE TOWARDS THE END.

I KNOW IT WAS A CONTINUATION OF LAST MEETING. YOU KNOW, IF I GOT TO CHOOSE

BECAUSE I'M SO SELFISH I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE. >> THE ITEM YOU HEARD THIS AFTERNOON, THE VERY FIRST ITEM, THAT WAS A CONTINUED ITEM AND THAT WAS WHY IT WAS ON THE FIRST ITEM. I BELIEVE THE AGENCY COMMENTED ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN THEY REQUESTED THAT. WHEN THEY REQUESTED THE CONTINUANCE.

IT WAS FIRST BUT, YES, WE DO AGREE. IT SEEMS LIKE MORE OF OUR, WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S AN ITEM THAT MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS WE DO TRY TO AGENDA THOSE ACCORDINGLY. EVEN WHEN WE KNOW AND IF WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WE MAY TRY TO GET WITH YOU AS THE CHAIR TO SAY HEY. DO YOU WANT TO CONSIDER A TIME CERTAIN FOR ONE OF THOSE ITEMS OR RAISE IT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING WHERE WE KNOW THAT ITEM WAS GOING TO BE HEARD AT THE NEXT MEETING AND ASK THE AGENCY WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I LOVE THE IDEA THAT JEFF CAME UP WITH.

THAT IS WHEN THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS LET THEM LINE UP IN FRONT OF THE MIKE KRO PHONE. IT SEEMS TO BE LESS REDUNDANT AND QUICKER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ANY OTHER REPORTS? EVERYONE IS HERE NEXT TIME? I PROMISE TO. ALL RIGHT.

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