Oct 01, 2019 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order]

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>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. I WANT TO CALL THE MEETING OF OCTOBER 1, 2019 TO ORDER. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> CHAIR COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON.

>> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER JEB

SMITH. >> HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER JAMES JOHNS. >> HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER.

>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN.>

HERE. >> IF WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY RISE FOR THE IMPLICATION. INVOCATION.

>> YOUR SERVANT A GUST AND PONDERED THE MYSTERY OF THE FAITH IN ORDER TO BETTER KNOW AND LOVE YOU.

MAY OUR HEARTS BE SET ABLAZE WITH SUCH PASSION FOR YOU BUT LIKE AUGUSTINE WE MAY ALSO COME TO A GREATER LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE OF YOU. YOU ARE THE FOUNDATION OF OUR CITY. BLESS THESE CITY COMMISSIONERS AS THEY GO ABOUT YOUR WORK IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

GRANT THEM A SHARE OF YOUR WISDOM SO THEIR DECISIONS MAY ALIGN WITH YOUR WILL. GRANT THEM A SHARE OF YOUR JUSTICE SO EQUALITY MAY BE FOR THE COMMON GOOD.

AND GRANT THEM A SHARE OF YOUR HUMILITY SO THEY MAY BE THE SERVANTS OF YOUR WORK IN OUR WORLD.

THESE THINGS WE ASK USING YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF

OUR COUNTRY. >> ALL: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> SPEAKER: IF I COULD ASK EVERYONE TO REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT. LAST WEEK, ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ST. AUGUSTINE LOST A TRUE STATEMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH THE PASSING OF HERBIE WILES AND AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A PRAYER AND WE WILL ALLOW OPEN THE PODIUM FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT COMMISSIONER WILES. HE WAS A THREE-TIME CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY TMISSIONERS. JUST A

>> SPEAKER: I WILL ASK COMMISSIONER SMITH TO SAY A

PRAYER FOR HIS FAMILY. >> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO READ TEXT IF YOU DON'T MIND FROM THE BIBLE.

LEVITICUS 19 VERSE 32 SAYS THOU SHALL RISE UP BEFORE THE GLORY IT IS PROVIDED IN ON THE FACE OF THE OLD MAN.

I GOT, I AM THE LORD. SECOND CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 1 VERSES THREE AND FOUR SAYS BLESSED BE TOO GOD THE FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE FATHER OF MERCIES AND THE GOD OF ALL COMFORT WHO COMFORTED US IN ALL OUR TRIBULATION THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO COMFORT THEM WHICH ARE IN ANY TROUBLE BY THE COMFORT HER WITH WE OURSELVES ARE COMFORTABLE WITH GOD.

MAY WE PRAY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR BEING THE GOD OF ALL COMFORT AND WE ARE GLAD THAT YOUR GRACE IS SUFFICIENT. I THANK YOU FOR CARING FOR US AND WE CAST OUR CARES UPON YOU. TODAY I PRAY FOR THE FAMILY OF MR. WILES AND FATHER, I THINK YOU SO MUCH FOR HIS TESTIMONY AND I THANK YOU FOR HIS SERVICE AND LORD, I THANK YOU FOR THE MONIKER THAT SEEMS TO LINGER WITH HIM.

HE WAS A STATESMAN AND A TRUE STATESMAN IS A GENTLEMAN.

I PRAY FOR THE FAMILY TODAY AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD COMFORT THEM. I PRAYED THAT YOU WOULD BEAR THEIR GRIEF AND I PRAY THAT YOUR SUFFICIENT GRACE WILL ENVELOP HIM. WE ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF YOUR PRECIOUS AND HOLY SON, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AMEN.

NAY AMEN. >> SPEAKER: PLEASE BE SEATED.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT MR. WILES? GOOD MORNING, MR. WALDRON.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS HARRY WALDRON I LIVE AT 118.

[INDISCERNIBLE] AVENUE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

HERBIE AND I GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER IN THE 60S WHEN I FIRST CAME TO TOWN. MY WIFE AND SON.

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WHAT A TREMENDOUS FAMILY, WHAT A TREMENDOUS MAN.

WE WILL MISS HEBRIE WILES. I MISS HIM AND THINK ABOUT HIM EVERY DAY. WE HAD A LOT OF FUN TOGETHER.

I UNFORTUNATELY NEVER SERVED WITH HIM ON THE COMMISSION.

TAKE LEFT WHEN I CAME ON. HE PROBABLY KNEW BETTER THAN TO SIT WITH ME LIKE THAT. ANYWAY.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU THE WILES FAMILY WILL BE DEARLY MISSED IN THE FAMILY. AND HIS SON WHO WAS OUR REPRESENTATIVE IN TALLAHASSEE FOR MANY YEARS WILL CARRY ON THE NAME AND THE FAMILY WILL DO FINE.

THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT HERBIE.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOU FOR A MOMENT, NOT AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR LOCAL NAVY LEAGUE COUNSEL.

COMMISSIONER HEBRIE WILES WAS A WORLD WAR II VETERAN AS A VERY YOUNG MAN AND WENT ON TO LEAD A LIFE OF SERVICE AS DESCRIBED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

HE ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE INSTRUMENTAL FOUNDERS OF THE LOCAL NAVY LEAGUE CHAPTER IN 1974.

KIND OF A PLANK HOLDER POSITION FOR HIM, AND IT WAS JUST ONE INDICATION OF THE SORT OF THE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT COMMISSIONER WILES DID. AND AS I HAVE BEEN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR SOME TIME, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT SOME OF THESE ÃWHAT I THINK OF AS PILLARS IN THE COMMUNITY OF WHICH COMMISSIONER HEBRIE WILES EXEMPLIFIES, HAVING SAID THAT, THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHERS. YOU JUST HEARD FROM ONE, COMMISSIONER WALDRON. WE HAVE MR. HERE. BOTH PUBLIC-SERVICE AND PRIVATE SERVICE, EVERY COMMUNITY RELIES ON THESE PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS LOST ONE.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING. HE WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST POSITIVE SMART FRIENDLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE.

AND EVERY TIME YOU SAW HIM, HE HAD A SMILE ON HIS FACE AND SOMETHING POSITIVE TO SAY, AND HE ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS WORKING TOGETHER FOR A COMMON GOAL.

AND I REMEMBER IN THIS ROOM, HE CAME TO A HEARING WHERE I WAS Ã HE WAS IN OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING I WAS DOING AND HE CAME UP TO ME AFTERWARDS AND HE SAID, I WAS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF PERSON THAT HE WAS, AND I THINK WE ALL OUGHT TO STRIVE TO BE MORE LIKE THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR HONORING HIM TODAY.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? WE WILL NOT TO THE PROCLAMATION.

>> SPEAKER: I JUST WANT TO SAY I DID NOT KNOW HERBIE WILES REALLY WELL, BUT I KNEW OF HIM, AND I CAN SAY THIS: THERE IS A REASON THAT HIS INSURANCE COMPANY'S BUILDING MOTTO IS THE HOUSE THAT TRUST BUILT, BECAUSE IF HERBIE WILES TOLD YOU SOMETHING YOU COULD TAKE IT TO THE BANK AND TO QUOTE JIM WILLIAMS FROM OCALA, HERBIE DOUG WITH A PRETTY DEEP AUGER.

>> HE WILL TRULY BE MISSED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THAT THIS MORNING.

[Proclamations ]

>> OUR FIRST PROCLAMATION IS RECOGNIZING OCTOBER 6 THROUGH OCTOBER 12, 2019 AS FOR EACH WEEK.

AT THIS MOMENT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MS. JERILYN SACHS AND MISS

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RECORD. >> PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHERE'S THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS PROUD TO HONOR THE 4-H YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES EXTENSION SERVICE FOR 110 YEARS OF PROVIDING EXPERIENCED-BASED EDUCATION TO YOUNGSTERS THROUGHOUT THE SUNSHINE STATE. AND WHEREAS THE FLORIDA 4-H YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM WORKED WITH THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, OTHER STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO RAISE AWARENESS AND SUPPORT POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. AND WHEREAS THIS PROGRAM WHICH SEEKS TO PROVIDE LEARNING EXPERIENCES FOR THE WHOLE CHILD, INCLUDING HEAD, HEART, HANDS AND HEALTH ASSIST YOUTH AND ACQUIRING KNOWLEDGE DEVELOPING LIFE SKILLS AND FORMING ATTITUDES THAT ENABLE THEM TO BECOME SELF-DIRECTED, PRODUCTIVE AND CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. AND WHEREAS 198,032 URBAN SUBURBAN AND RURAL FLORIDA 4-H PARTICIPANTS RANGING IN AGES 5 TO 18 HELP FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND WHEREAS THE PROGRAM HAS ACHIEVED SUCCESS AND IMPACTED COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO THE SERVICE OF OVER 10,255 ADULT AND YOUTH VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE GIVEN GENEROUSLY OF THEIR TIME, TALENTS, ENERGIES AND RESOURCES TO THE YOUTH OF FLORIDA.

AND WHEREAS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 4-H PROGRAM IS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED AROUND THE FOUR CENTRAL ELEMENTS NECESSARY FOR POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT BY PROVIDING YOUTH WITH SUPERVISED INDEPENDENCE, A SENSE OF BELONGING WITH A POSITIVE GROUP, A SPIRIT OF GENEROSITY TOWARDS OTHERS IN A WIDE VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO MASTER LIFE CHALLENGES.

THEREFORE BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 6-12 2019 BE DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL 4-H WEEK IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY PAST AND ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THIS FIRST DAY OF OCTOBER, 2019. A TEST HUNTER S CONRAD CLERK OF COURT, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, OUTSIDE PAUL WALDRON CHAIRED.

>> BEFORE I ASK MS. SACHS OR OUR COUNTY PRESIDENT NOW TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, I WANT TO SAY THAT 4-H HAS HAD A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.

MY GRANDFATHER AND MY DAD BOTH WERE IN 4-H IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.ENDY AND I WERE BOTH IN 4-H.

SHE WAS IN MARION COUNTY, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW WE MET WAS THREE 4-H. OUR FOUR CHILDREN WERE INVOLVED IN 4-H IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND AS A YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THROUGH OUR LARGEST STATE LAND GRANT INSTITUTION, 4-H TEACHES PUBLIC SPEAKING, TEACHES PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND OTHER PERTINENT LEADERSHIP AND LIFE SKILLS WITH PRACTICAL USE IN A NUMBER OF PROJECT AREAS. IT'S HER TREMENDOUS PROGRAM AND I ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT AND BE INVOLVED WITH IT. MRS. SACHS?

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? >> SPEAKER: WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING US TO INVOLVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND CELEBRATING NATIONAL 4-H WEEK, AND WE HAVE OUR COUNTY COUNCIL PRESENT WHO HAS A FEW WORDS TO SHARE WITH

YOU. >> SPEAKER: I AM ISAAC ANGELLO AND AM SERVING AS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 4-H PRESIDENT THIS YEAR AND I'M HONORED TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE NATIONAL 4-H WEEK IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 4-H PROGRAM.

THIS YEAR THE COUNCIL IS TRYING TO INCREASE COMMUNITY SERVICE AND NATIONAL 4-H BECAUSE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW OUR GENEROSITY BY SERVING OTHERS. THE COUNCIL HAS PICKED OUT ITS SERVICE FOCUS FOR THE YEAR. WE PLAN TO VISIT THE NURSING HOME ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO SHARE SOME OF OUR GIFTS AND TALENTS WITH THE VETERANS THERE.E HOPE TO ENCOURAGE THE VETERANS BY INVOLVING THEM IN FUN ACTIVITIES WITH OUR YOUTH. THIS IS ALSO A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR YOUTH TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND MEET THE VETERANS WHO HELPED TO SERVE OUR NATION.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY 4-H IS STRIVING TO LIVE AT THE MOTTO TO MAKE THE BEST BETTER BY SERVING OTHERS WITH OUR HEAD, HEART, HANDS, AND HEALTH. I THANK YOU FOR THE SUMMER IN THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND

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THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> SPEAKER: PRESIDENT ANGELLO ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU.

>> SPEAKER: WILL JOYCE AND THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM BETTY

GRIFFIN HOUSE TROY MET. >> OCTOBER IS RECOGNIZED AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.

AND IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO THE BETTER GRIFFIN HOUSE AND ALL OF THOSE REPRESENTATIVES WHO HELP PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

MY FAMILY HAS PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND I CAN TELL YOU IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THE PERSON IN THE SITUATION.T AFFECTS FAMILY, FRIENDS, WORK, AND KNOWING THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE TO REACH OUT FOR HELP TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION OVERCOME IT AND MOVE FORWARD IS A VITAL IMPORTANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY IN THIS WAY THAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE HEALTH OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS MY HONOR TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS PROCLAMATION.

MS. LUNDQUIST WILL READ THE PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD AND I WOULD LIKE JOYCE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. >> PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHERE'S DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS A MAJOR PUBLIC CONCERN FOR OUR STATE AND NATION AND IS NOW THE SINGLE LARGEST CAUSE OF INJURY TO WOMEN AND WHEREAS ALL PERSONS HAVE THE BASIC RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE FROM HARM, ESPECIALLY IN THEIR HOMES, YET MORE THAN 1100 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALLS WERE MADE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAST YEAR.

AND WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AFFECTS PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, RACIAL, SOCIOECONOMIC, EDUCATIONAL, RELIGIOUS AND OCCUPATIONAL SEGMENTS OF OUR SOCIETY, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

WHERE'S CHILDREN FROM VIOLENT HOMES ARE PHYSICALLY ABUSED AND NEGLECTED AT A RATE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND HAVE GREATER RISK OF ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE, JUVENILE DELINQUENCY, COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT OF PROBLEMS AS WELL AS FEAR, ANXIETY, AND GUILT.

AND WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS NOT A PRIVATE FAMILY MATTER BUT A CRIME, CONSEQUENCES OF WHICH REACH BEYOND COMMUNITIES SCHOOLS AND WORKPLACES OF OUR NATION.

WHEREAS PERPETRATORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CRIMES, AND WHEREAS MOST IGUANAS REPRESENTS A PATTERN OF ASSAULT AND COERCIVE BEHAVIOR THAT WILL ESCALATE IN FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY OF INTERVENTION DOES NOT OCCUR, AND WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VIOLATES AN INDIVIDUAL'S PRIVACY, DIGNITY, SECURITY AND IMMUNITY.

WHEREAS PUBLIC AWARENESS AND EDUCATION ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARE NEEDED AS WELL AS UNIFORM EFFORTS ON THE PART OF GOVERNMENT, HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, EDUCATORS AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS TO ADDRESS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THROUGH PREVENTION, INTERVENTION AND TREATMENT FOR VICTIMS AND PERPETRATORS. THEREFORE BE PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT THE MONTH OF OCTOBER 2019 BE DESIGNATED AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. PAST AND ADOBY THE BOARD OF COU

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, CHAIR. >> I HAVE TWO MESSAGES TODAY.

ONE IS OCTOBER IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH, BUT ABUSE HAPPENS 365 DAYS A YEAR. SO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE NEEDS TO BE A DAILY REMINDER AND AWARENESS EVENT.

EVERY NINE SECONDS, A WOMAN IS BEATEN SOMEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES BY HER PARTNER. ONE IN THREE WOMEN AND ONE IN NINE MEN WILL EXPERIENCE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SOMETIME DURING THEIR LIFETIME. CHANCES ARE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A FRIEND OR YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS A VICTIM.

SO IF YOU DO, PLEASE REACH OUT AND GIVE THEM OUR HOTLINE NUMBER WHICH IS 824-1555 AND THERE ON THE OTHER END WILL BE AN ADVOCATE THAT'S WILLING TO LISTEN AND HELP.

SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU REACH OUT AND GIVE SOMEONE OUR HOTLINE NUMBER. THE SECOND MESSAGE IS ORIGINALLY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH WAS ONLY ONE DAY. IT WAS CALLED UNITY DAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE ADVOCATES CAME TOGETHER TO SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER AND SHARE STORIES. SO TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE AND THINK OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE WILLING TO SHARE THEIR TIME, TALENT, AND TREASURE WITH US. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE ALL OF THE ADVOCATES THAT WORK BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER. IT IS THROUGH THEIR TIRELESS EFFORTS THAT REALLY MAKE OUR FAMILIES SAFE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT IS THEIR VOICE THAT ARE FOR THE POWERLESS, AND IT IS THEIR DEDICATION THAT REALLY HELPED BRING HOPE AND HEALING TO THE SURVIVORS FOR A BRIGHTER TOMORROW.O THANK YOU, ADVOCATES, FOR WHAT YOU DO.

[APPLAUSE] >> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO RECOGNIZING OCTOBER AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING EVERYONE ESCAPE THE SITUATIONS THAT THEY ARE IN.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

ALSO TODAY THIS MORNING WE ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE AND HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARTS AND HUMANITIES MONTH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ANDY AND MANY ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF THE CULTURAL COUNCIL TO JOIN US HERE WHILE MELISSA READS THE PROCLAMATION. .

>> SPEAKER: A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHERE'S THE NATION'S 95,000 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS, THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES, THE NATION'S 4500 LOCAL ARTS AGENCIES, AND THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COUNCILS OF THE 50 STATES AND THE SIX U.S. JURISDICTIONS HAVE REGULARLY ISSUED OFFICIAL PROCLAMATIONS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS DESIGNATING OCTOBER AS NATIONAL ARTS AND HUMANITIES MONTH.

AND WHEEAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS HOME TO 771 ARTS RELATED BUSINESSES THAT EMPLOY 2052 PEOPLE AND ACCOUNT FOR 4.6 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL OF BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY AND TWO PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THEY EMPLOY AND WHEREAS THE ARTS IN COMMUNITIES AND BODY MUCH OF THE ACCUMULATED WISDOM, INTELLECT, AND IMAGINATION OF HUMANKIND.

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AND WHEREAS THE HUMANITIES HELP DIVERSE COUNTIES WITH THE SUPPORT AND PARTNERSHIPS OF THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES THE 55 STATE AND TERRITORY COMMUNITIES COUNCILS AND LOCAL EDUCATIONAL AND CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS.

AND WHEREAS THE ARTS AND CULTURE INDUSTRY STRENGTHENS OUR ECONOMY BY GENERATING 166.3 BILLION IN TOTAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY ANNUAL, 26 BILLION IN GOVERNMENT REVENUE AND BY SUPPORTING THE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT OF 5 MILLION JOBS, AND WHEREAS THE CREATIVE ECONOMY DRIVES TOURISM AND COMMERCE, SUPPORT AMERICAN WORKERS, AND MAKES UP 4.3 PERCENT OF THE ANNUAL GDP PROPOSED FEDERAL LEGISLATION TITLED THE CREATE ACT WHICH SUPPORTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT THE CREATIVE ECONOMY. THEREFORE BE A PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT OCTOBER 2019 BE DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL ARTS AND HUMANITIES MONTH IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND CALL UPON OUR CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE AND PROMOTE THE ARTS AND CULTURE IN OUR NATION AND TO SPECIFICALLY ENCOURAGE THE GREATER PRECIPITATION OF THOSE SAID CITIZENS AND TAKING ACTION FOR THE ARTS IN COMMUNITIES AND THEIR TOWNS AND CITIES.

PASSING ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS FIRST DAY OF OCTOBER, 2019.

A TEST HUNTER S CONRAD, CLERK OF COURT.

BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA,

SIGNED PAUL M WALDRON, CHAIR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.AS THE PROCLAMATION STATED, THE ARTS ARE A THRIVING ECONOMIC ENTITY, HOWEVER, THEY ARE FOR MUCH MORE THAN THAT. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS LOOK AT THE CHILDREN'S ARTWORK IN THE ROTUNDA THIS MORNING COMING IN, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE ARTS ALSO TELL A STORY.

THEY TELL A STORY OF PEOPLE, THEY TELL A STORY OF OUR LIVES, AND THEY TELL A STORY OF HOPE. THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO DO THROUGH YOUR SUPPORT, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS OF THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL COUNCIL IS ACTIVELY SUPPORTING ALL OF THESE AREAS. I WANT TO PUT ONE PARTICULAR PLUG IN WHICH IS THE FIRST ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA IS A STORY MAP OF HASTINGS. THE CULTURE COUNSEL IS LAUNCHING AN INITIATIVE TO HELP REVITALIZE THE TOWN OF HASTINGS THROUGH ARTS AND CULTURE AND MUSIC AS WE GO FORWARD, AND I THINK YOU WILL FIND THE STORY MAP QUITE INTERESTING, AND WE HAVE USED THAT IN A REQUEST FOR GRANT APPLICATION.

SO STAY TUNED. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

[APPLAUSE] >> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK DOCTOR MARTINDALE TO COME UP FROM THE WHITNEY LABS.

I WOULD ASK MS. LUNDQUIST TO COME UP AND PUBLISH THE

PROCLAMATION. >> SPEAKER: A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS THE WHITNEY LABORATORY FOR MARINE BIOSCIENCE WAS FOUNDED IN 1974 IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IS DEDICATED TO STUDYING FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS IN BIOLOGY AND APPLYING THAT KNOWLEDGE TO ISSUES OF HUMAN HEALTH, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND WHEREAS PART OF WHITNEY LABORATORY PUBLIC MISSION IS TO TRAIN FUTURE EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGISTS GRADUATE, POSTDOCTORAL, AND UNDERGRADUATE INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS, AND WHEREAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARTNERS WITH THE WHITNEY LABORATORY AT SEA TURTLE HOSPITAL TO REHABILITATE INJURED AND SICK SEA TURTLES FOUND ALONG COUNTY BEACHES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND WHEREAS THE WHITNEY LABORATORY

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THERE MIGHT BE A PROCLAIMED THAT THE WHITNEY LABORATORY FOR MARINE BIOSCIENCE TO RECOGNIZE WORDS PARTNERSHIP AND IN ITS EFFORT TO PROTECT MARINE LIFE PASSING ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS FIRST DAY OF OCTOBER, 2019. A TEST HUNTER S CONRAD, CLERK OF COURT. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA SIGNED PAUL M WALDRON, CHAIR.

>> SPEAKER: BEFORE I HAVE DOCTOR MARTINDALE COME UP, I WANT TO URGE YOU IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE WHITNEY LAB, YOU SHOULD. THIS IS EXCITING.

THEY ARE RIGHT HERE IN OUR COUNTY.

WE HAVE A TOP-NOTCH RESEARCH COMMUNITY AND DOCTOR MARTINDALE AND HIS TEAM ARE DOING A CREDIBLE WORK TO IDENTIFY ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES WE HAVE IN FLORIDA.

IT'S EXCITING, WE ARE HONORED AND PRIVILEGED TO HAVE US IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WOULD WELCOME UP DOCTOR

MARTINDALE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION, AND ON BEHALF OF THE STUDENTS AND STAFF AND FACULTY AND OUR LARGE VOLUNTEER WORKFORCE, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S REALLY NICE TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THE HARD WORK WE DO DOWN THERE. WE HAVE DONE OUR ORIGINAL MISSION WAS PRIMARILY AN BIOMEDICAL SCIENCE AND WE HAVE INCREASED OUR PROBLEMATIC SPAN TO ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE, WATER QUALITY, SHORELINE RESILIENCE, WE HAVE A K-12 STEM PROGRAM THAT REACHES 5500 KIDS EVERY YEAR.

AND AN OUTREACH PROGRAM AND PUBLIC LECTURE SERVICE AND WE ARE BASICALLY COMMITTED AND DEDICATED TO MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. THIS PROCLAMATION IS RECOGNIZING OCTOBER 14, 2019 AS COLUMBUS DAY.

IF I COULD GET DAN MCINTYRE, CLYDE SLICK, BOB GRIMALDI AND ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVES OF THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS TO COME FORWARD. I WILL ASK MS. LUNDQUIST TO READ THE PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD.

>> SPEAKER: A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS IN 1492, CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS USHERED IN AN AGE OF DISCOVERY THAT EXPANDED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD AND WHEREAS COLUMBUS'S JOURNEY MARKED THE BEGINNING OF CENTURIES OF TRANSATLANTIC EXPLORATION THAT TRANSFORMED THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE AND WHEREAS HIS EXPEDITION FORMED THE INITIAL BOND BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE AMERICAS WHICH CHANGED THE WORLD FOREVER AND WHEREAS ON COLUMBUS DAY WE COMMEMORATE THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND RECOGNIZE HIS COURAGE, WILLPOWER, AND AMBITION THAT ENCOURAGE US AS AMERICANS SEEK NEW HORIZONS WITH GREATER OPPORTUNITY.

NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT OCTOBER 14, 2019 BE RECOGNIZED AS COLUMBUS DAY.

PASSING ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS FIRST DAY OF OCTOBER, 2019.

THE TEST HUNTER S CONRAD, CLERK OF COURT, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA SIGNED PAUL M

WALDRON, CHAIR. >> ON THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WE PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WALDRON AND COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS STARTED IN 1882 BY A PARISH PRIEST IN NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT.

THEY WERE STARTED TO HELP MEN BUILD THEIR FAITH AND PROTECT FAMILIES. WE ARE NAMED AFTER COLUMBUS BECAUSE IT ATTESTED AN IMPORTANT TRUTH.

THERE IS A PLACE FOR CATHOLICS AND IMMIGRANTS IN AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE ARE CREATED TO HELP MEN UNITE AND PROVIDE CHARITY. WE HAVE NEARLY 2 MILLION MEMBERS ACROSS THE WORLD, INCLUDING 1005 MEMBERS AS OF

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FRANCIS HOUSE, THE CATHOLIC PARISH IN MISSIONS AND MANY OTHER THINGS AS WE EMBARK ON THE STRENGTH OF OUR FOUNDER.

[APPLAUSE] >> SPEAKER: IS MY PLEASURE TO RECOGNIZE THE BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN OF THE COAST.

JUDY SIMS AND THE REPRESENTATIVES OF BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME I FIRST LEARNED TO RIDE BEFORE I WAS IN KINDERGARTEN. SO COME ON UP.

WE DEFINITELY CALL IT RECREATIONAL.

MY FAMILY ATTENDED A RODEO IN OCALA A FEW WEEKS AGO AND TO WATCH THE SKILL AND TALENT EXHIBITED ON THE HORSES IS INCREDIBLE. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE SERVICE AND THE EDUCATION THAT YOU PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND I WILL ASK MELISSA LUNDQUIST TO READ THE

PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD. >> SPEAKER: A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN IS A NONPROFIT SERVICE ORGANIZATION COMMITTED TO MAKING THE NATURAL TRAILS AND AREAS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY ACCESSIBLE TO LOCAL AND TOURIST HORSEBACK RIDERS, HIKERS, AND OFFERED CYCLISTS. AND WHEREAS THE MISSION OF BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN FIRST COAST FOCUSES ON LEARNING AND EXPERIENCE IN THE COUNTIES UNIQUE NATIVE ENVIRONMENTS INCLUDING COASTAL WETLANDS, PINE FORESTS AND UPLAND OAK WOODS AND WHEREAS BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN FIRST COAST COORDINATES WITH THE FLORIDA FOREST SERVICE, ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, FLORIDA PARKS, 4H AND OTHER YOUTH GROUPS TO ENSURE EVERYONE CAN HAVE A QUALITY EXPERIENCE IN NATURAL AREAS AND WHEREAS THE ACTIVE PRECIPITATION OF VOLUNTEERS ALLOWS BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN FIRST COAST TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR GOALS AND THE SKILL AND WORK BY THESE VOLUNTEERS ENHANCE NATURAL TRAILS AND OVERALL QUALITY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT THE BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN FIRST COAST BE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS AND EFFORTS TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN EQUESTRIAN TRAILS AND TO ENHANCE NATURAL AREAS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO ENJOY YEAR ROUND. PASSING ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THIS FIRST DAY OF OCTOBER, 2019. A TEST HUNTER S CONRAD, CLERK OF COURT. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, SIGNED PAUL M WALDRON, CHAIR.

>> SPEAKER: BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN FIRST COAST IS A CHAPTER OF BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN FLORIDA.

THERE ARE SEVEN CHAKRAS IN FLORIDA.

IAND FLORIDA IS A CHAPTER OF BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN OF AMERICA. IT'S OVER 45 YEARS OLD, AND HAS OVER 30,000 MEMBERS, AND THE VALUE OF THE SERVICES OF BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES IS AROUND $14 MILLION A YEAR. AND WE ARE A SERVICE ORGANIZATION. WE ARE NOT A RIDING CLUB, ALTHOUGH WE ALL RIDE. AS THE PROCLAMATION SAYS, OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE OPEN TRAILS FOR ALL TRAIL USERS, AND WE WORK WITH THE 4H ÃSORRY Ã SOUTHERN OFF-ROAD BICYCLISTS, OTTOMAN AND ALL TO CREATE TRAILS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE AND ARE OF QUALITY. WE ARE WANTING PEOPLE TO HAVE A REAL FLORIDA EXPERIENCE. A LACK OF OUR TOURISTS, FOR THE REAL FLORIDA EXPERIENCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE OFFERING.

WE ARE HOPING THAT WE CAN CREATE A GREEN RIBBON THAT RUNS

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WE SEEK GRANTS AND OTHER ENDOWMENTS TO HELP US CREATE THE TRAILS AND DO OUR WORK. WE WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VERY MUCH FOR THEIR RECOGNIZING US AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

[APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> SPEAKER: IT'S MY HONOR 2 TO PROVIDE THIS PROCLAMATION TO THE BACKCOUNTRY HORSEMEN FIRST

COAST. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATIONS?

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN I WILL SECOND THAT.

MAY YOU HAVE A MOMENT? I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS ABOUT.

WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WORKING HARD IN THE COMMUNITY. I AM EXCITED ABOUT THAT, TO SEE SO MANY ENERGETIC GROUPS IN OUR COMMUNITY COMING HERE AND WORKING WHETHER IT'S THE BETTY GRAPHIC HOUSE OUTDOOR COUNTRY HORSEMEN AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE THIS A GREAT COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I

WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO INCLUDE THE PROCLAMATIONS.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ALL: AYE.

[Public Comment]

>> SPEAKER: WILL ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> SPEAKER: AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULE OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION. FINALLY I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THE MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO WESTGATE PLAZA, WHICH WAS CLOSED BY CONES BY THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SIGNED, THE CROSSWALK ISN'T SIGNED.

THERE'S NO STOP SIGNS, AND HERE IS A PICTURE OF PEOPLE GETTING UP AND MOVING THEM AND DRIVING THROUGH.

AND THEN SUNDAY MORNING, WE HAD AN INCIDENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE PRESS CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND IMPLIED THAT WE WERE HARASSING THEM.

SHOW THEN THE OFFICER PROCEEDED TO COME OVER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ACCUSED ME AND MY NEIGHBOR OF MOVING THESE

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IN FACT, THE ONLY ONE GUILTY OF ANYTHING IS THE OFFICER THAT MOVED THESE AND NOW THE SHERIFF CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR HIM MOVING THE CONES THAT WERE THERE TO PROTECT THIS ENTRANCE.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT I DID WANT TO MAKE A NOTE TO THE BOARD. AS THE BOARD KNOWS FROM THE SEPTEMBER 17 MEETING, THERE WAS A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION PERTAINING TO THE ROSCOE MARINA MATTER I COULD READ OUT THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL NAME FOR THAT, BUT IT WAS THE ROSCOE MARINA MATTER. SINCE THAT TIME, SOME OF THE PERSONS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MATTER OR ISSUE HAVE SUBMITTED A MOTION TO SET ASIDE THAT REHEARING.

THAT MOTION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE BOARD WITH ATTACHMENTS FOR THE PERIOD THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES, I THINK, HERE TODAY ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT MATTER, HOWEVER, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD WOULD BE NOT TO HEAR THE MATTER IN SUBSTANCE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND ALSO CONSIDER EITHER WHETHER TO PUT IT ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR LATER ON AND HE WILL DO YOUR ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO AGENDA, OR I GUESS GIVE A SIGNAL THAT THIS MOTION WOULD BE HEARD WITH A PROPOSED OR I SHOULD SAY BEFORE THE PROPOSED OCTOBER 15 HEARING OR REHEARING ON THE UNDERLYING MATTER.

IF THE BOARD WENT IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS MOTION COULD BE HEARD FIRST AND EITHER GRANTED OR NOT GRANTED, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT, EITHER HEAR THE UNDERLYING MATTER OR NOT. THE REASON I WANTED TO MENTION THAT HERE TODAY BEFORE MORE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS THAT I AM HOPING AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, I THINK THAT SPEAKERS ON EACH SIDE OF THE ISSUE WOULD, I THINK, RECOGNIZE AT THIS POINT THE BENEFIT OF A STRUCTURED APPROACH TO THIS, WHICH I THINK COULD BE BEST DONE EITHER AS A LEADER AGENDA ITEM TODAY OR I THINK AND MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO HAVE IT HEARD ON OCTOBER 15 AS I HAVE DESCRIBED.

I WILL SAY THE MOTION TO SET ASIDE REHEARING, I HAVE REVIEWED IT. ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE LEGAL CONCLUSIONS OF THAT PERTAINING TO DUE PROCESS, EXPEX PARTAKE COMMUNICATION.

I DO THINK THE UNDERLYING PART IS A VALID POINT.

THERE HAD BEEN SORT OF A CHANGE TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE AUGUST HEARING ON THE UNDERLYING MATTER, AND THEY WANTED TO THROUGH THIS OTION DESCRIBE WHY THEY WERE NOT PLEASED WITH THAT. WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, IS I WANTED TO STATE THAT OUT BEFORE THERE IS KIND OF A BACK-AND-FORTH IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THAT.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING THESE CONSTITUENTS ARE ABLE TO APPEAR AT PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I AM HOPING THEY RECOGNIZE AND THE BOARD WILL RECOGNIZE I THINK AT THIS POINT A STRUCTURED APPROACH TO THIS MOTION TO SET ASIDE REHEARING AND DEPENDING ON THE DISPOSITION OF THAT, THE ACTUAL HEARING ON THE MATTER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> SPEAKER: WHAT IS THE BOARD'S WILL ON THIS?

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> SPEAKER: MY POSITION WOULD BE WE ALWAYS WELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. THAT IS CERTAINLY WHAT I SUPPORT PERSONALLY I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT WE WANT TO GIVE IT OUR FULL ATTENTION AND FRANKLY, I WOULD LIKE TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE I COULD TAKE ACTION.

WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION AS MORNING.

WE CAN ONLY HEAR AND WE CAN'T RESPOND, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE

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>> SPEAKER: SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ACTION REQUIRED BY THE BOARD, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE SENSE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT UNDERLYING ISSUE ÃAGAIN, I THINK THE PROCESS IS IMPORTANT, BUT THAT WOULD PUT EACH SIDE OF THE EQUATION, I THINK IN THE BEST POSITION TO HAVE A STRUCTURED ENVIRONMENT TO BEST STATE THEIR CASE. SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

WE WILL CONTINUE ON PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MARIE PULLEY 5949 COUNTY RD. 208.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK THE COMMISSION FOR RECOGNIZING THE BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER WITH A PROCLAMATION NAMING OCTOBER IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. IT SHOWS THE LEVEL OF COMMITMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S A CAUSE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AS THIS MARKS MY 18TH YEAR AS A SURVIVOR. IT WAS MY HOPE THAT 18 YEARS LATER IT WOULD NOT BE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, BUT EVIDENTLY THE WORLD HAS NOT CAUGHT ON YOU.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT UPCOMING EVENTS IN OCTOBER RELATED TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS.

ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 8 AT 6:00 P.M. IN THE PLAZA DOWNTOWN ST.

AUGUSTINE, HOSTED BY PASTOR JEFF KAPLAN THERE WILL BE A MEN'S RALLY DISCUSSION THAT I'M HONORED TO PARTICIPATE IN.

THE RALLY IS TO RAISE AWARENESS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AS A WHOLE AND THE NEED FOR MEN TO TAKE A STEP UP.

I AM HONORED TO BE A GUEST SPEAKER TOGETHER WITH A TEENAGER WHO HAS HELPED START A GROUP CALLED TEENS TAKE A STAND OUT OF PONTE VEDRE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH THEY SPEAK OUT AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND THEIR HOPE IS TO SHARE STATISTICS, TO ENLIGHTEN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS A WHOLE. SECONDLY, ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 19, THERE WILL BE THE MY BROTHER'S KEEPER 5K WITH A KIDS FUN RUN PRIOR TO. AND IT'S A MEMORY OF A YOUNG MAN FROM OUR COMMUNITY WHO IS NOT ONLY A SON BUT A HUSBAND AND A FATHER WHO LOST HIS LIFE AS A RESULT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THIS EVENT WILL BE HELD AT THE DOUGLAS C CRANE RAMP AND ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH SUBDIVISION AND PROCEEDS WILL BENEFIT THE JON GRUDEN FOUNDATION.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT EVEN THOUGH WE STATISTICALLY ASSOCIATE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WITH WOMEN, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES. IT'S NOW REACHED OUR LB GT Q COMMUNITY, MEN AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE COUNTLESS CHILDREN THAT ARE TRAUMATIZED BY WITNESSING VIOLENCE IN HER HOME. WAYS TO SHOW YOUR COMMITMENT TO YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU CAN VOLUNTEER, SHOP AT THE LOCAL THRIFT STORES, OFFER MONETARY DONATIONS IF POSSIBLE, BUT MORE THAN THAT, JUST BE THAT FRIENDS.

BE THAT COLLEAGUES OR THAT FAMILY MEMBER IS WILLING TO LISTEN AND BELIEVE WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS OUT.

I ASKED THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AND MAKE THE CHOICE TO COMMIT TO CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

LET'S PUT AN END TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

IT TAKES A COMMUNITY. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS AND BE PART OF THE SOLUTION AND AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS IN CRISIS PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE GRIFFIN HOTLINE AT 824-1555 AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING,

GENTLEMEN. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

>> SPEAKER: PAUL REYNOLDS. THREE YEARS AGO THIS MONTH WE HAD HURRICANE MATTHEW, AND I WAS WALKING ALONG THE BEACH WITH MY SONS AND THIS IS WHAT WE SPOTTED.

THE VIDEO DOES MORE JUSTICE. WHAT THIS SAYS IS THIS WAS POLLUTED STORM WATER BEING PUMPED INTO THE DUNES, DESTROYING THE DUNES ONTO THE BEACH.

ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. THIS LOCATION WAS LOBBYIST A HOTEL. I REPORTED THAT CRIME TO THE CRIMINAL DIVISION CLEAN WATER. IT WAS A CRIME.

AND GUESS WHO GOT INVESTIGATED? ME.

I GUESS WHO HAD A CASE ME.

A CIVIL STALKING CASE WAS BROUGHT AGAINST ME BECAUSE I

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BY RICHARD O'BRIEN. WITH THE HELP OF CRIMINAL, BECAUSE I REPORTED IT. THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN A VICTIM OF CRIME BY ROBERT HARDWICK, CHIEF OF POLICE. IN 2013, I REPORTED PATRICK MCCORMACK'S PAL DOUG BURNETT ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP FOR STEALING USE OF THE WEBSITE OF THE CITY.

ADVERTISING THEIR LAW FIRM NOT ONLY WAS THAT A THIRD-DEGREE FELONY BUT IT CHEATED OTHER ATTORNEYS.

AND GUESS WHAT, COMMISSIONERS? WHO GOT INVESTIGATED? ME. BY WHO? ROBERT HARDWICK. HE RAN A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON ME BECAUSE I COMPLAINED.

BUT HE DIDN'T RUN ONE ON DOUG BURNETT WHO WAS STEALING USE OF THE WEBSITE. HE DIDN'T RUN ONE ON ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP. IN THE MOVIE PAYBACK WITH MEL GIBSON, PORTER ONLY WANTED 75,000.

HIS 75,000. LAWFULLY, LEGALLY AND PEACEFULLY, JUST WANTS JUSTICE. THREE YEARS, AND I REALLY HAVEN'T QUITE GOTTEN JUSTICE AGAINST THESE CRIMINALS.

BUT YOU KNOW, KARMA. I BELIEVE IN IT.

THAT'S WHY I NEVER HAVE TO ACT OUT.

I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYBODY TO GET AWAY WITH IT.

AND SO YOU WILL UNDERSTAND, RICHARD O'BRIEN, FORMER ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH CITY COMMISSIONER, TOKEN MAYOR, COLDWELL BANKER EMPLOYEE IS CURRENTLY UNDER FELONY SECOND-DEGREE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION FOR SEXUAL BATTERY ON A MINOR MAIL. AND GUESS WHO IS COVERING UP THIS CRIME? GUESS WHO IS IMPEDING THIS INVESTIGATION? YEP.

ROBERT HARDWICK, CURRENT HOLDER OF CHIEF OF POLICE.

HE'S A DIRTY CRIMINAL COP. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT.

>> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

GOOD MORNING. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

MAUREEN LONG 1821 CASTILLE ST. CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> SPEAKER: WHAT WAS YOUR NAME COMMIT CLICKS MAUREEN ALONG.

IN NOVEMBER 2018 I WROTE A LETTER OF INQUIRY MET WITH THE PACKET TO KIM DEL RANCE WITH THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING SIGNED RENDERINGS AND THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE IN THE AGENDA PACKET NORMALLY PROVIDED WITH THE ORDER GRANTING THE APPROVAL FOR THE SIGNS. MOTHER WAS CLEARLY ASKING QUESTIONS ADDRESSING DESIGN ISSUE.I WAS EXPECTING A RESPONSE TO MY LETTER WITH ANSWERS AND PERHAPS COPIES OF THE RENDERINGS. INSTEAD A PRIVATE WAS CREATED IN MY NAME WITHOUT RESPONDING TO MY QUESTION OR INFORMING ME THAT MY NAME AND EMAIL WOULD BE LISTED IN THE COMPLAINT.

IT WAS MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC RECORD.

THEREAFTER ANYONE WHO CALLS EMAILS OR COMES INTO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT OFFICE ASKING WHO MADE THE PRIVATE COMPLAINT WOULD BE AND WAS GIVEN MY NAME AND EMAIL AS THE COMPLAINANT.

IT WASN'T UNTIL EARLY FEBRUARY THIS YEAR THAT I FIRST HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT MY LETTER BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS COMPLAINT.

THIS OCCURRED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING A LARGE MEETING WITH OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEMBERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEMBERS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEIR VENDORS WERE ALL PRESENT TO DISCUSS THE PARKING PROBLEMS THAT WERE OCCURRING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AFTER THE COMMISSIONER LEFT THE MEETING THE TWO BUSINESS OWNERS ANGRILY EXPRESSED HER FRUSTRATION TOWARDS ME STATING THAT I HAD MADE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS.

I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AND WAS EXTREMELY TAKEN BACK BY THE INTENSITY OF THEIR ANGER.

DAYS LATER I WAS INFORMED I MISS DEL RANCE THAT MY NOVEMBER 2018 LETTER WAS THE CATALYST FOR CREATING THE COURT.

AFTER COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE THEY INFORMED ME THAT UNDER THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THIS EMPLOYEE ACTED ACCORDINGLY BY PLACING A PRIDE REPORT IN MY NAME AND EMAIL. I AM HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO EXAMINE AND AMEND THIS POLICY TO ENSURE THE FUTURE WHENEVER COUNTY STAFF CREATES A PRIDE REPORT USING A PRIVATE CITIZEN IS LIKELY MORE EMAIL NOTIFICATION WILL BE GIVEN TO THE CITIZEN OR PERSON OR HAVE COUNTY STAFF REACH OUT TO THE CITIZEN OR PERSON AND EXPLAIN THE PRIDE REPORT POLICY TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN CHOOSE WHAT ACTUALLY WANT TO TAKE.

AS I STATED, I HAD TO DO WITH THE UNEXPECTED VERBAL ANGER OF BUSINESS OWNERS BUT WHAT IF PERSON OR PERSONS TO THE COMPLAINT WAS MADE AGAINST REVENGEFUL? THINK THE DANGER THIS COULD BUT THE CITIZEN APPEARED POTENTIAL FOR UNINTENDED NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF PUBLICLY LISTING PRIVATE CITIZENS NEED IS A COMPLAINT IN A PRIDE REPORT WITHOUT HER KNOWLEDGE COULD RESULT DUE TO THIS

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I I AM CONFIDENT YOU THAT YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE INPUT SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER FOR A BETTER ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THANK YOU. AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S HANDED THIS OUT TO YOU BUT THE FOLDERS THAT ARE THERE AS SOME MORE INFORMATION AND IT HAS MY LETTER AND THERE AND SOME OF THE OTHER CORRESPONDENCE THAT I GOT FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

BJ KALAIDI WEST CITY. CONSENT NUMBER 20 SINCE BUCKINGHAM SMITH AT 169 ML KING DOES NOT EXIST WHEN THIS PROPERTY IS SOLD WILL TAXPAYERS RECEIVE ANY OTHER PROFITS? FYI FOR THE COMMUNITY, SINCE THE NEW MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE WAS VOTED IN BY FOUR POLITICIANS MEETINGS OF THE CITY COMMISSION ARE FROM 1 TO FOUR HOURS LONG.

WE THE TAXPAYING PUBLIC APPRECIATE OUR COMMENTS ARE PART OF THE WRITTEN MINUTES OF THE BCC MEETINGS.

THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DECIDED FIVE YEARS AGO NOT TO INCLUDE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE WRITTEN MEETINGS OF THIS CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE MEETINGS.

TO SOME TAXPAYERS, THE WORD DISMISSIVE COMES TO MIND.

IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC MAKE COMMENTS, AND FORM US ALONG TO GET UP HERE AND EXPOSE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PRIDE PROCEDURE IN THE COUNTY, WHERE YOUR NAME IS ALBEIS OUT THERE A WILL BE ATTACKED, IN THE CITY YOU CAN DO ANONYMOUS, BUT ANONYMOUS IN A SMALL TOWN SOMETIMES IS NOT ANONYMOUS, AND IT'S HOW SOME EMPLOYEES HANDLE THEMSELVES IN DEALING WITH CONCERNS.

YOU DON'T SAY CONCERNS. IT'S ALWAYS A COMPLAINT.

AND IT'S NEVER LET ME GET THAT CLEANED UP OR TAKEN CARE OF.

IT'S WHO TOLD ON ME? AND I AGREE WITH HER 100 PERCENT. 100 PERCENT.

PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.

I HAVE A FEW WORDS TO SAY, AND THIS IS THE REASON THIS CITY AND THIS COUNTY IS WHERE IT IS. THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL, AND SOME OF US WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ATTACKED AND IT'S NOT JUST VERBALLY.

BUT AS LONG AS I HAVE MY THREE MINUTES, I WILL SHOW UP.

BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN THIS CITY AND THIS COUNTY. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. SEEING THAT MR. CHAIRMAN WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE NOW MOVE ¦

>> SPEAKER: EXCUSE ME. MAY I? THE LAST TWO SPEAKERS HAVE RAISED A VERY, I THINK, GOOD POINT THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND MAYBE YOU COULD LOOK INTO WORK STAFF COULD AND COME BACK TO US.

BECAUSE IT REALLY SORT OF PUTS TWO COMPETING GOALS AT ODDS.

ONE IS THAT WE WANT TRANSPARENCY AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE, BUT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE VERY FACT THAT THEY FILE A COMPLAINT OR SEND IN A LETTER LEADS TO SOME TYPE OF HARASSMENT, CONTROVERSY, CONFRONTATION.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT UNDER OUR PUBLIC RECORDS LAW IF SOMEONE SUBMITS A MEMO OR A LETTER TO US, WE CAN'T HIDE IT OR KEEP IT SECRET FROM THE PUBLIC UNLESS THERE IS AN EXEMPTION FROM THE PUBLIC RECORDS. THAT I DON'T KNOW YOU.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ÃI'M NOT ASKING FOR A LENGTHY DISCUSSION THIS MORNING. WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA.

BUT I SIMPLY WOULD ASK THE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A MEMO

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BUT IF ONE SUBMITS SOMETHING TO US IN WRITING, LETTER OR EMAIL OR WHATEVER, WE CAN'T, AS I UNDERSTAND IT KEEP IT SECRET.

IT'S AN INTERESTING DILEMMA THAT I WOULD LIKE SOME GUIDANCE AND SUGGESTIONS FROM STAFF. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

>> SPEAKER: I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP NOW.

LEGAL? >> SPEAKER: I CAN ADDRESS IT.

A LITTLE OF THE HISTORY AND I THINK COMMISSIONER DEAN IS

CORRECT AS TO THE TENSION. >> SPEAKER: I JUST DIDN'T WANT

TO GET INTO IT NOW. >> SPEAKER: I WONDER IF WE COULD ASK STAFF TO CHECK ON SOUTH COLLINS.

IF IT'S OPEN IT'S OPEN AND IF IT'S CLOSED IS CLOSED AND MAKE SURE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT KNOWS IF WE HAVE A CLOSED FOR SAFETY REASONS BUT IT'S CLOSED. THANK YOU.

[Consent Agenda]

AGENDA. >> SPEAKER: NINE.

>> SPEAKER: NINE.> SPEAKER: NONE, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER BLOCKER?

>> SPEAKER: NONE. >> SPEAKER: I HAVE NONE EITHER.

CAN I GET ¦ >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> ALL: AYE. >> SPEAKER: IT PASSES 5 TO 0.

[Regular Agenda]

>> SPEAKER: NONE. >> ALL: NONE.

>> SPEAKER: I HAVE NONE ALSO. >> SPEAKER: WE WOULD LIKE TO GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE .

[INDISCERNIBLE] FOR YOUR. [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> SPEAKER: WE WILL ADD THAT ON FOR NUMBER NINE.

ANY OTHERS? CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE

THE REGULAR AGENDA? >> SPEAKER: I MOVED THE REGULAR

AGENDA AS AMENDED. >> SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR SAY

AYE. >> ALL: AYE.

[Item 1]

>> SPEAKER: NUMBER ONE. I GOT A SNEAK PEEK EARLIER.

>> SPEAKER: THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

GAIL OLIVER DIRECTOR OF LAND MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT.

I AM HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE HASTINGS STORY MAP.

CAN WE BRING UP ON THAT? HE IS SWITCHING.

WE INSTALLED NEW TECHNOLOGY TODAY, SO BEAR WITH US.

WE INSTALLED NEW TECHNOLOGY TODAY, SO BEAR WITH US.

WE TRIED THE NEW TECHNOLOGY. IT DIDN'T QUITE WORK.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION IS TO SHOWCASE THE STORY MAP THAT WAS CREATED TO DOCUMENT THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN OF HASTINGS, THE VOTE TO DISSOLVE AND THE TRANSITION TO COUNTY SERVICES.

AS YOU MAY REMEMBER ON NOVEMBER 7 THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN OF HASTINGS APPROVED THE DISSOLUTION OF THE TOWN WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF MARCH 1. IMMEDIATELY STAFF WENT TO WORK COMPLETING THE TRANSITION PLAN. BEGINNING IN EARLY 2018 WEEKLY MEETINGS WERE HELD TO GO OVER IN GREAT DETAIL EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND HOW THE MORNING OF MARCH 1 WAS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL. IT WAS DURING ONE OF THOSE FIRST MEETINGS THAT MR. WANCHICK ASKED EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD TO DOCUMENT THE WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE.

HE COINED IT AS BEING ABLE TO REFLECT ON THE PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE OF HASTINGS. YOU MAY BE WONDERING WHY YOUR LAND MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR IS MAKING THIS PRESENTATION.

WHEN MIKE SUGGESTED CREATING THIS DOCUMENT, MICHAEL RYAN AND I ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND SAID EIGHT STORY MAP WOULD BE THE PERFECT WAY TO TELL THIS STORY.

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BEING A PART OF THE TRANSITION TEAM AND BEING TASKED WITH TELLING THE STORY HAS BEEN AN HONOR FOR ME.

WITH THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, I PLAN TO GO THROUGH AN OVERVIEW OF THE STORY MAP AND IT WILL BE AS MUCH ABOUT ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IN HASTINGS BY COUNTY STAFF AS IT WILL BE ABOUT CREATING THE STORY MAP ITSELF. IT WAS THE DEDICATION OF YOUR GIS STAFF AND DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS STAFF IN COMPILING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION INTO THIS WONDERFUL FORM OF MEDIA THAT WILL BE PUBLISHED.

THE STORY MAP WILL BE FOUND ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

IT REALLY DESIGNED FOR SOMEONE TO SIT AND SCROLL THROUGH THE STORY MAP AT THEIR LEISURE. THERE IS LINKS TO YOUTUBE VIDEOS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS. I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU AS QUICK OF AN OVERVIEW AS I CAN OF IT AND WITH THAT WE WILL GET STARTED. THE PICTURE YOU SEE APPEAR ÃWE WILL SEE IF TECHNOLOGY OVER HERE WILL WORK FOR US.

THIS IS A MAP IN 1938 LOOKING DOWN MAIN ST. YOU WILL SEE A BUILDING RIGHT HERE WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE COLD STORAGE BUILDING. STAFF WENT THROUGH GREAT PAINS TO TAKE THE SAME PICTURE LOOKING DOWN MAIN STREET TODAY IN THE SAME COLD STORAGE BUILDING IN THE BACK.

WE TOOK A DRONE OUT TO DO THAT. THE NEXT STOP IS ÃTHIS IS A SIGN THAT WAS IN THE TOWN COUNCIL ROOM.

WE WENT OUT AND TOOK A PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT AND PHOTOSHOPPED IT TO GO INTO THE STORY MAP.

AS WE KNOW, THE TOWN OF HASTINGS IS LOCATED IN THE ST.

JOHN'S RIVER VALLEY AND HASTINGS STARTED THE PRAIRIE GARDEN. THIS IS POROUS HASTINGS HOUSE ONE OF THE FIRST GREENHOUSES. IF WE COULD SCROLL UP.

HASTINGS WAS TO PRODUCE PRODUCE FOR HENRY FLAGLER'S HOTELS IN ST. AUGUSTINE. THIS IS WHERE THE TRAIN TRACK WAS EXTENDING DOMINIC EXTENDED TO HASTINGS TO BRING PRODUCE IN AND OUT OF HASTINGS. THE PHOTOS ARE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW PROGRESS WAS PACKAGED AT THE TIME THE HASTINGS TRAIN STATION THE BOTTOM CORNER AND THEN A MAP OF THE RAILROADS OVER HERE. SO NEXT UP, THE HOTEL OVER IN ST. AUGUSTINE. AS WE KNOW IN 1909 THE TOWN OF HASTINGS WAS INCORPORATED BY A SPECIAL ACT OF THE LEGISLATURE AND IN 2018 THE INCORPORATED STATUS WAS DISSOLVED BY CITIZEN VOTE. PRESENT-DAY HASTINGS HAS A UNIQUE CHARACTER. THIS BUILDING IS A HASTINGS ASSOCIATION LONG-STANDING ICONIC HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE.

WE HAVE OUR MEMORIAL SIGN AND THEN THE ENTRANCE SIGN TO THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. THIS MAP SHOWS THE TOWN OF HASTINGS LOCATION DOWN IN THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER VALLEY, AND NEXT UP WAS THE VOTE. AS PART OF THE STORY MAP, WE CAPTURED THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD HEADLINES, SOME DIFFERENT THINGS WERE REPORTED THERE WAS GREAT CONCERN BY THE CITIZENS OVER THE WASTEWATER UTILITY RATES AND THE FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THE TOWN. AND THE CITIZENS REQUESTED THE SUBJECT OF THE VOTE BE PUT OUT. ON NOVEMBER 7 THAT VOTE OCCURRED WITH 82 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE VOTING TO DISSOLVE THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. JUST AS A FUN FACT, HASTINGS WAS ONLY THE SECOND TOWN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT WAS DISSOLVED BY CITIZEN VOTE. THE OTHER WAS THE TOWN OF CEDAR GROVE. THIS IS A SECTION OF THE STORY MAP THAT'S THE ACTUAL TRANSITION.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL SEAL OF HASTINGS.HE PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN AND PHOTOSHOPPED AND INCORPORATED IN THE OFFICIAL RESOLUTION THAT WAS SIGNED BY THEN CHAIR COMMISSIONER DEAN AND TOM WARD, THE MAYOR. THIS WAS DONE AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE HAVE THIS LOVELY PICTURE DOCUMENTING THE DAY. NOW, OF THE 13 FORMER TOWN OF HASTINGS EMPLOYEES, THREE RETIRED AND 10 ACCEPTED POSITIONS WITH THE COUNTY. THOSE 10 EMPLOYEES, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, SKILL SET, EXPERIENCE, AND PLACE THEM IN POSITIONS IN THE COUNTY.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE THRIVING AS PART OF OUR NEW COUNTY FAMILY OF EMPLOYEES. NEXT UP IS I'M GOING TO START

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THERE WAS A LINE OF COUNTY TRUCKS COMING IN, PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES, PARKS AND RECREATION ALONG WITH MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WITH PARKS AND REC, THE TOWN OF HASTINGS ALWAYS MAINTAINED HASTINGS PARK AND RAILROAD PARK. THE COUNTY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PARK AND WE HAVE NOW TAKEN OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THE HASTINGS TRAILHEAD THAT'S PART OF THE LOOP.

THESE ARE PICTURES OF SOME OF THE WORK THAT PARKS AND REC DID. WE CAME IN AND PRESSURE WASHED, PAINTED, UPDATED SOME SIGNAGE, PUT IN ADA COMPLIANT MULCH AROUND THE KIDS'S PLAYGROUNDS. THIS IS AL WILKE PARK WHICH WE'VE ALWAYS MAINTAINED. THEY LOOP WAS OPENED AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THAT RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY.

IT'S BELIEVED THAT THE LOOP IS GOING TO INFUSE THE TOWN WITH CULTURE. EVEN THOUGH THIS WASN'T PART OF THE COUNTY, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE STORY MAP BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF HASTINGS.ND THIS IS THE PRESERVE TRAIL PART.

WE MAINTAIN THE TRAILHEADS THAT RUN THROUGHOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. NEXT UP IS PUBLIC WORKS.

PUBLIC WORKS WENT IN INITIALLY AND CLEANED UP POTHOLES I'M ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STANDS OUT IN MY MIND IS THE SIGN.

WE WENT IN AND TRIMMED TREES SO YOU CAN SEE THE STREET SIGNS AND STOP SIGNS. THE NEW STOP SIGNS WE PUT UP MEET REFLECTIVITY REQUIREMENTS. WE WENT IN AND CLEANED DITCHES.

WE HELD A SPECIAL COLLECTION DAY OUT THERE RIGHT AFTER THE DISSOLUTION. WE HELD COLLECTION DAYS ANYWAY, BUT THE COUNTY REALLY PUT FORTH AN EFFORT TO HAVE A HUGE PRESENCE IN HASTINGS AFTER WE TOOK OVER ON MARCH 1. IN ADDITION WE WENT OUT AND DID SOME MAJOR CLEANING OF THE DEEP CREEK UNDER COUNTY ROUTE 13 TO PROVIDE RELIEF TO THE CITIZENS OF FLAGLER ESTATES AND THE PROJECT APPEARS TO BE WORKING WELL. AND THEN UTILITIES.

UTILITIES PLAYED A HUGE ROLE. ON THE MORNING OF MARCH 1 REGULARLY CAME IN AND ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR WATER METERS, WASTEWATER AND TREATMENT FACILITIES.

COULD WE GO BACK DOWN A LITTLE? SEVEN SEWER PUMP STATIONS, 100 SANITARY MANHOLES AND ABOUT 20 MILES OF TRANSMISSION LINES.

WE HAVE BEFORE-AND-AFTER PICTURES.

IT WAS AMAZING WHAT LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE WASHING AND PAINS THAT WERE PUT ON. THIS IS A YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT YOU NEED TO WATCH. YOUTUBE VIDEO IS A WEB STATION THE NOTIFICATION COMING INTO THE WORKER GOES OUT DOES THE REPAIR AND DOES THE NOTIFICATION BACK.

THE WATER METERS WERE REPLACED USING TELEMETRY SO THAT REMOTELY WE CAN MONITOR TO WATER USES IF SOMEONE WERE TO HAVE A LINE BREAK ON THEIR SIDE WE COULD LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THAT. NEXT UP IS I THINK THE SEWER.

SOME MORE PAINTING BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES.

WE DID SMOKE TESTING ON THOSE SEWER LINES TO CHECK FOR ANY LEAKS AND ONE OF THE LARGER PROJECTS WAS OF ALL THE LIFT STATIONS WE WENT AND PUT IN ALL NEW ELECTRIC CONTROL PANELS SO THEY FUNCTION PROPERLY, NESTS PLUS FAILURES.

WE PUT IN A NEW TANK AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND MOST NOTABLY, THERE WAS A 49 PERCENT AVERAGE DECREASE IN THE UTILITY BILLS FOR THE INCREASE OF THE TOWN OF HASTINGS. INCREASED TECHNOLOGY AND LOWERED THE WATER BILL. NEXT UP WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THEY HELD MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND HASTINGS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS.

THEY CREATED THE SERIES OF MAPS AND HASTINGS HAD A FUTURE LAND

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REAL ESTATE CREATED AN INVENTORY OF LAND IN THE BLUE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN.

YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT LINK AND THE REAL ESTATE INVENTORY BOOK WILL POP UP. PART OF THE STORY MAP IS THAT IT'S INTERACTIVE WITH THE USER TO KEEP YOUR INTEREST AS YOU ARE ROLLING THROUGH THE STORY MAP.

THESE ARE OUR SURVEY CREWS AT WORK DURING THE SURVEY ON RAILROAD PARK. NEXT UP IS FACILITIES MAINTENANCE. OVERNIGHT, THEY ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITIES FOR 32,000 SQUARE FEET OF FACILITIES.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS THAT I THINK THEY WENT IN AND HAD TO ACCOMPLISH WAS THEY HAD TO RECEIVE CATALOG AND DISTRIBUTE ALL OF THE HASTINGS ASSETS TO THE APPROPRIATE COUNTY DEPARTMENTS. IT WAS QUITE A TASK IN MANAGING MAP. A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY.

HIS IS THE CIVIC CENTER. IT'S PICTURED IN 1940 AND 1977.

BACK TO MY ROOTS THERE, I REMEMBER GOING TO THE LIBRARY THERE AS A CHILD AND CHECKING OUT THE BOOK CHARLOTTE'S WEB AND BLACK BEAUTY. A LOT OF EVENTS WERE HELD AT A CIVIC CENTER. OUR PARENTS AND FRIENDS AND RELATIVES ATTENDED THE HASTINGS POTATO BOWL THERE.

AN AMAZING TIME IN A SMALL TOWN.

SADLY, THIS IS A CIVIC CENTER AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE ASSETS.

NEXT UP YOU WILL WANT TO WATCH THIS AT YOUR LEISURE.

FOR THE LIBRARY SYSTEM, THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LIBRARY IN THE TOWN OF HASTINGS SINCE 1976.

IT WAS LOCATED IN THE METHODIST CHURCH AND IN 1937 THE LIBRARY MOVED INTO THE CIVIC CENTER WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

AND THEN IN 1977, THE LIBRARY BECAME AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM MADE A COUPLE OF MOVES AND IS ULTIMATELY ENDED UP IN THE OLD HASTINGS HIGH SCHOOL BUILDING.

ONCE THE COUNTY TOOK OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT BUILDING, WE WENT IN AND SPRUCED UP THE GRASS AND GAVE IT A REALLY NICE LOOK. THE LIBRARY IS KNOWN AS A FRIENDLY PLACE. MIKE CAMPBELL WENT OUT ON THE WEEKEND TO TAKE THESE PICTURES, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S VERY HOMEY AND THEY KEPT IT VERY COMFORTABLE GOING THERE.

YOUR LIBRARY STAFF AND HASTINGS IS AN AMAZING CREATING JUST A WARM ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CHILDREN AND THE CITIZENS OF HASTINGS. FOR 20 YEARS WE HAVE HAD HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES LOCATED IN HASTINGS.

WE HAVE COMPUTERS IN THE KITCHEN.

THERE'S SOMEONE FROM HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES A FEW DAYS A WEEK TO HELP THEM WITH SERVICES THEY MAY NEED.

WHEN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES STAFF IS NOT THERE, THE LIBRARY STAFF CROSSES OVER AND PROVIDES THOSE SOCIAL SERVICE CONNECTIONS FOR THEM. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FIRE RESCUE. THE PICTURE AT THE TOP IS THE CURRENT FIRE STATION ON WATERSTON ROAD.

HASTINGS HAS HAD A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT SINCE THE 1900S. THIS IS A PICTURE I THINK FROM THE 1930S, THE FIRST VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

HASTINGS SUFFERED THREE FIRES. THE FIRST FIRE WAS IN 1943 AND THIS IS THE HASTINGS HOTEL WHICH IS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF MAIN STREET. THERE WAS ANOTHER FIRE IN THE 1960S. SAME HASTINGS HOTEL.

THERE WAS A FATALITY THERE FROM SMOKE INSTALLATION.

A BIG FIRE WAS IN 1985 WERE VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE EAST SIDE OF MAIN STREET BURNED WITH THE EXCEPTION.

PART OF THE OLD HASTINGS HOTEL IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER WAS SAVED. THE BANK ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER IS THERE. NOW, INVITING THE 1985 FIRE WAS A 1972 FORD FIRE ENGINE. THAT WAS USED FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AS THE PRIMARY ATTACK ENGINE.

A NEW ENGINE WAS BOUGHT AND IT WAS SECONDARY.

AND WHEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TOOK OVER FIRE SERVICES, THAT OLD

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WHEN THE DISSOLUTION OCCURRED IN ALL THE ASSETS CAME BACK, THE COUNTY RECEIVED THAT 72 FORD FIRE ENGINE BACK AND IT WAS RESTORED AND IT MADE ITS DEBUT IN MAY 2010 CHRISTMAS PARADE. WE DON'T HAVE THE PICTURES, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF HAD THE DUMP TRUCK AND THE SPIDER AND A LOT OF OTHER COUNTY PRECIPITATION IN THE 2018 PARADE.

AND WITH THAT, WHAT DO WE SEE FOR THE FUTURE OF HASTINGS? WE KNOW WHEN THE RESIDENTS VOTED TO DISSOLVE THE TOWN OF HASTINGS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND PBRACE THE COMMUNITY WITH A HIG LEVEL OF CARE THE PROVIDED AREA RESIDENTS WITH AN UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL OF SERVICE AND PROGRAMS. AND AS A RESULT, WHEN THE DISSOLUTION BECAME EFFECTIVE ON MARCH 1, THE COMMUNITY REALIZED LOWER TAXES, DECREASE WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY RATES AND INCREASED SERVICES FROM PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES, PARKS, RECREATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY RECOGNIZED THE TOWN'S RICH HISTORY AND PARTNERED WITH THE COMMUNITY TO PRESERVE THAT UNIQUE HERITAGE AND CULTURE BEFORE AND NOW AFTER THE TRANSITION.

INWE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK DILIGENTLY IN THE FUTURE TO ENSURE HASTINGS RESIDENTS ARE PROUD TO CALL ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOME. AS PART OF THIS STORY MAP, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO BRING DATA. THE STORY MAP IS A GIS TOOLS WE HAVE KEY FACTS WE HAVE INCLUDED AND IF WE ROLL ON THROUGH, WE ARE TOWARDS THE END HERE. WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MIKE WANCHICK AND ALL OF OUR COUNTY STAFF ARE MAKING THIS STORY POSSIBLE. IT WAS ALL YOUR PEOPLE IN THE FIELD TAKING THE PICTURES, DOCUMENTING AND PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO GIS AND COMMUNICATIONS.

WE WOULD ESPECIALLY LIKE TO THANK NANCY TOWN, A LONGTIME TIES TO HASTINGS. HER MOTHER WAS FRANCIS PARRISH WHO IS OUR LOCAL NEWS REPORTER AND A LOT OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND INFORMATION WE SEE TODAY CAME FROM MS. TOWNES OR THE ST.

AUGUSTINE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE TOWN OF HASTINGS COMMISSION AND SHELBY JACK THE TOWN MANAGER.

SHE OPENED HER OFFICE TO MIKE CAMPBELL AND I DURING A CHALLENGING TIME FOR THE TOWN OF HASTINGS STAFF AND SHE BROUGHT MIKE AND I IN AND ALLOWED US TO LOOK THROUGH ARCHIVES AND RECORDS AND TAKE A LOT OF THE PICTURES YOU SEE TODAY. AND OUR GIS DIVISION I HAVE SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES PLAYED A HUGE ROLE IN THIS AND WE HAVE ALL THE CREDITS THAT WILL RUN AND WITH THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE HASTINGS IS NOW A PART OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. >> I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY THINK STAFF BECAUSE I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE SINCE IT'S TAKEN OVER THE TOWN OF HASTINGS.

WE DO GET CALLS FROM ALL OR THE COUNTY AND I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY COMPLAIN AND THEY'VE BEEN REALLY HAPPY WITH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TRANSPIRED SO FAR. I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THAT.

>> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT BRIEFLY.

SOMETIMES YOU DON'T REALLY APPRECIATE SOMETHING UNTIL IT'S A LITTLE BIT IN THE PAST. IN TERMS OF THIS DISSOLUTION, AS GAIL HAD MENTIONED THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER TIME IN FLORIDA, CEDAR GROVE THE COUNTY REACHED OUT TO THEM ACTUALLY AND LEARNED FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY REGINA ROSS WHO WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DIRECTORS AS GAIL MENTIONED IT WAS REALLY A GREAT DEAL TO DO.

BUT I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING MORE.

I AM PARTICULARLY GRATEFUL TO MAYOR WARD AND TO SHELBY JACK AND REALLY THERE TOWN COUNCIL. I THINK FOR ONCE THE CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN. THE MANNER WAS TREATED I THINK WITH EFFICIENCY, WITH DIGNITY. ALL THE WAY TO THE ACTUAL DATE OF THE DISSOLUTION. THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER IN PARTICULAR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE CHAIR OF

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THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> SPEAKER: REAL QUICK STORY AND I THINK MR. SMITH WILL APPRECIATE THIS MORE THAN ANYONE.

IN 1984, I LEFT THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND JOINED THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATERMAN MANAGEMENT MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED A HOME ON ANASTASIA ISLAND.

WHEN I LEFT TALLAHASSEE I WANTED TO GO SEE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISOR TO GET HIS ADVICE ON WATER MANAGEMENT WATER RESOURCES WHAT I SHOULD KNOW GOING TO THE DISTRICT AND I WENT TO SEE HIM IN SPRING OF 84.

I TOLD HIM WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND I WOULD BE DRIVING TO PALATKA FOR WORK AND BACK HOME.

HE DIDN'T SAY A WORD ABOUT WATER RESOURCES.

HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, WONDERFUL.

HE SAID HE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP ON YOUR WAY HOME EVERY DAY AT THE COUNTY LINE VEGETABLE STAND.

THEY HAVE THE BEST VEGETABLES IN THE STATE.

SO IT WAS FAMOUS BACK THEN. >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>> SPEAKER: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME VALUE FOR A LONG TIME.

THE CLOSURE OF THE TOWN OF HASTINGS WAS TOUGH FOR THE PEOPLE OF HASTINGS IN TOUGH FOR OUR ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS OUR LEGAL STAFF TO ENGAGE IN SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY BEEN DONE ONE TIME IN THIS STATE'S HISTORY.

BUT IT IS PART OF HISTORY NOW. AND IT'S A TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE AND IT HAS TREMENDOUS VALUE.

AND I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK SOME OF THOSE MEMORIES AND WE HAVE A FUTURE AHEAD AND PEOPLE OF HASTINGS ARE PROUD AND THANKFUL FOR WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE DO POSSESS AND I THINK THIS COUNTY FOR WHAT IT HAS DONE TO RIGHTFULLY TRANSITION WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A TOUGH TIME AND IT'S VERY VERY PLEASANT. IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

>> SPEAKER: PUBLIC COMMENT? >> SPEAKER: WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

SEMA MR. CHAIRMAN WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

[Items 2 & 3]

>> WE MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

>> AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER TO AND THREE ARE HEARD TOGETHER AND THREE IS A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING SO IF YOU MADE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS IT'S NOW TIME TO DISCLOSE HIS COMMUNICATIONS. THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS AND WHO THOSE COMMUNICATIONS WERE MADE WITH.

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE.

>> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHN SKYNET.

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON COMMIT.

>> NONE, S >> SPEAKER: I ONLY HAD ONE.

I THINK I SMOKE SPOKE WITH FRANK IN PASSING AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE CAMPGROUND OTHER THAN THAT I'VE BEEN ON SITE BEFORE. ALL RIGHT.

>> GOOD MORNING. KIM DEL RANCE.

THESE TWO ITEMS HAVE RUN TOGETHER THERE WILL BE SEPARATE MOTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE COMPAMD IT IS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WHICH IS 2000 1907 WE ARE NOT TWO 2091 YET. THIS THING IS NOT WORKING.

OKAY. THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING TO HEAR THE AMENDMENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM RESIDENTIAL-C TO RURAL COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING IS AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF

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THE LOCATION IS AT 4191 AND 4201 COASTAL HWY. AND IT IS A COUPLE MILES NORTH OF VILANO BEACH.

THE TRANSPORTATION WOULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN.

THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY AS OF THE AUGUST 2018 LDC ADOPTION. NORTH BEACH UTILITIES PROVIDES WATER AND WASTEWATER AND ALL DRAINAGE AND SOLID WASTE WILL COMPLY WITH REGULATIONS AND THERE IS A FIRE STATION WITHIN FIVE MILES. PLANNING AND ZONING REVIEW.

>> THE CAMPGROUND TO THE SOUTH IS NOT INCLUDED.

I AM DOES THE BUFFER THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN.

THESE THE USES THEY WILL GAIN THE USE CULTURAL BUSINESSES GLOBAL COMMERCIAL AND THEY WON'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE PUBLIC SERVICE AND RESIDENTIAL BUT ONLY AS AN ACCESSORY.

THE OTHER SETBACKS ARE 25 FEET ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.

AND ZERO BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTH AND A 10 FOOT BUFFER WHERE THERE IS A 10 FOOT SETBACK. THE ISR IS ONLY 60 PERCENT AND NOT SLOWER THAN MOST OTHERS THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS 35 FEET BECAUSE OF THE COASTAL AREA. AND THESE ARE THE SAME ANALOGIES FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE NORTH COASTAL DRV HEARD THIS JANUARY 9 A.M. THEY ONLY HAD A PROPOSAL FOR WHAT THEY PUD WAS GOING TO CONTAIN BUT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE AND THEN IT WAS ACTUALLY AUGUST 15 THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY SUPPORTED THE ADOPTION AND

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STAFF BUDGETS GENERALLY COMPATIBLE IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF ENCUMBRANCER PLAN AND PROVIDED NINE FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON A SOLID HALF OF THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE KAREN TAYLOR IS HERE AND SHE WILL HAVE SOME MORE FOR YOU.

>> SPEAKER: IN THE BRIEFING NOTES THERE ARE OPEN COMMENTS FROM DEPARTMENT STAFF HAVE THEY BEEN ADDRESSED COMMIT.

>> YES THEY ARE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE RIPRAP ALONG THE RIVER AND THEY ARE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM. IT'S AN ONGOING THING IN THE APPLICANT 'S GOING TO DISCUSS MORE DETAILS WITH THAT.

>> THANK YOU. WE WILL HEAR FROM THE

APPLICANT. >> SPEAKER: KAREN TAYLOR 77.

[INDISCERNIBLE] STREET. MY LANDLORD WAS HERBIE WILES SO THAT WAS IN OFFICE I'VE BEEN RENTING FROM HIM FOR 15 YEARS.

WITH ME TODAY IS FRANK AND HIS SON ON A PURELY NORTH BEACH CAMPGROUND IN BOTH THE COMP PLAN AND PUD.

THIS IS KIND OF TO SHOW YOU AND KIM HAS DONE A LOT OF IT BUT SOME OF IT MIGHT REFLECT SIMILAR THINGS.

IT'S 15.8 ACRES AND NORTH BEACH WAS PLOTTED IN 1924.

IT'S A TOTAL OF 1450 LOTS THIS PARTICULAR SITE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HAD ABOUT 100 LOTS PLAN FOR IT.

KIND OF A CLOSER VIEW AND YOU CAN SEE THE INTRACOASTAL OFF TO THE SIDE HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE BEACH AREA AND OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING CAMPGROUND AS NETWORKS.

AS SHE MENTIONED, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO TAKE THIS FROM RESIDENTIAL-C. WE ARE ASKING FOR ÃWHICH WOULD ALLOW FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS A COASTAL AREA THAT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR CAMPGROUNDS. WE ARE ASKING TO CHANGE IT TO RURAL COMMERCIAL. WE CHOSE RURAL COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN A STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT HAS A MORE LIMITED AMOUNT OF USE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND FELT THAT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CAMPGROUND AND RELATED TO THE CAMPGROUND AS WELL AS OTHER TYPES OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, BUT NOTHING MORE INTENSE IT WILL BE ALLOWED UNDER BASIC COMMERCIAL. CURRENTLY IT IS RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME AND YOU CANNOT DO A STRAIGHT REZONING.

IF YOU NOTICE THE CAMPGROUND AND IT'S BEEN THE APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION OR THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO WE HAVE ÃBECAUSE OF THE OVERLAY WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO THE PUD. THE CHT AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AND THEY ACTUALLY STARTED THIS IN 1969.

SO THAT'S 50 YEARS AGO. AND SO IT'S KIND OF DEVELOPED OVER TIME. AND SO WE ARE DOING THE PUD AS AN ADJUNCT TO THE EXISTING CHT ZONING.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE SITE'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING CAMPGROUND ÃAND I WILL KIND OF GET MORE INTO THE ACCESS POINTS AND THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES TO SEE HOW THEY GO TOGETHER.

BUT BASICALLY, THEY ARE GOING TO USE THE SAME AMENITIES, SAME ACCESS POINTS, AND ANY NEW THINGS THEY PUT INTO THE NORTHERN SECTION WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION. WE HAVE A MAP WITH IN THE COMP PLAN THIS IS THE GENERAL SITE PLAN MAP AND IN THE PUD IT'S YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP.

AND JUST A LETA LITTLE CLOSER V. THEY ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT 70 SITES WITHIN HERE WITHIN AN AREA.

WE HAVE RESOLVED THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE AND I WILL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE FUTURE BUT YOU CAN SEE THESE SHADED AREA OF THE BUFFER ALONG HERE AND THE BUFFER TO THAT. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NATURAL COMMUNITY HABITAT THAT WAS TO BE PRESERVED.

WE DO HAVE BUFFERS ALONG THE NORTH AND THAT BUFFER WILL PROVIDE FOR A BUFFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WILL REMAIN.

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THE ENTRANCE IS OVER IN THIS AREA AND PEOPLE WILL WIND IN THROUGHOUT. GENERAL OVERVIEW AND I KIND OF USE THIS TO SHOW YOU THE CAMPGROUND, THE EXISTING CAMPGROUND AND THERE'S LOTS OF ROADS AND LOTS OF CAMPSITES, BUT YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF THEM FROM THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE TREE COVER THAT THEY MAINTAIN. AND THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THAT RELATIONSHIP AND SOME OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS MYRTLE AVENUE THAT ALSO CONTINUES. SO IT'S REALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW IT'S PRESERVED IN THE EXISTING AND WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THIS ONE. AND THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL MAP, FLEX MAP TO KIND OF EXPLAIN ÃI'M SORRY.

I HIT THE WRONG THING. BASICALLY, THE MARITIME HAMMOCKS WHICH IS THE AREA IN GREEN AND THE COASTAL SCRUB WHICH IS UP IN THE TOP PART UP OVER IN HERE.

SO WE KIND OF WORKED WITH YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR MAINTAINING ENOUGH SPACE FOR USABLE SPACE BUT A PRESERVATION AREA THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT.

SO THE BUFFER AREA ALONG HERE WILL BE PART OF THAT AND THAT STILL ALLOWS THE CRITTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GO THROUGH.

THERE IS A LARGE SECTION HERE THAT WILL BE A LARGE AREA THAT WON'T BE DISTURBED AND THEN THE COASTAL SCRUB WILL BE THIS.

WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 1.32 ACRES OF THE MARITIME HAMMOCKS AND WE ARE PROVIDING 1.51 INCLUDING THE BUFFER.

AND AS FOR THE COASTAL SCRUB, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FOR .138 ACRES AND WE ARE PRESERVING A LITTLE OVER HALF OF AN ACRE FOR THAT. JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THESE ARE ROADS THROUGH THE CAMPGROUND AND ACTUALLY IN SOME OF THE AREAS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THEY KIND OF MAINTAIN, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA FROM A CAMPSITE OF HOW THEY ARE WORKED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT. TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH TREE COVER AS POSSIBLE. THIS AREA BASICALLY IS THE AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AS THE PRESERVATION FOR THE PASSIVE PART AND THAT'S HOW PEOPLE DO GET DOWN TO THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY. YOU CAN SEE THAT OFF TO THE SIDE. THAT IS THE EXISTING RIPRAP AND THEN THERE WILL BE A SIMILAR TYPE RIPRAP THAT IS ADDED AS THROUGH THE PERMITS. AND THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE BEACHFRONT LOOKS LIKE.

AND IN SUMMARY, AND I WILL KIND OF COVER SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, WE FILL THE REQUEST FOR THE COMP PLAN IS IN CONFORMITY AND FOR THE PUD WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN AND THOSE ARE ALL LISTED AND I NOTICED YOU HAVE AN AMAZING NUMBER OF PAGES OF MERIT BUT COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS TAKE A LOT OF VERBIAGE. BUT WE DO FEEL LIKE WE MET THAT AND WE WILL MEET ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE REQUEST IS ALSO IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE STRATEGIC REGIONAL POLICY PLAN AND THE STATE COMP PLAN.

IT'S STILL PROVIDES A VIABLE ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY.

IT WILL ALLOW THE EXISTING GROUND TO EXPAND WHICH IS A NONRESIDENTIAL ECONOMIC BASE. IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH WITHOUT THE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL.

THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 100 WATTS AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 70 RVS THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC AS NOTED. IT ALSO IS BETTER FOR HURRICANES AND THESE PEOPLE THAT INVEST IN THEIR CAMPERS

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WE DID MEET WITH THE NORTH COASTAL OVERLAY AND THERE WERE NO MAJOR CONCERNS. YOU APPROVED THE TRANSMITTAL ENDED TO GO TO THE STATE AND HAS GONE BACK AND WE WENT TO THE TRAINING AND ZONING AGENCY MAY HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE HERE TODAY ASKING YOU FOR APPROVAL OF BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IN THE PLANNED UNIT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> I DON'T SEE ANY AT THIS

TIME. >> IN YOUR PACKET I JUST WANT TO ADD THIS. THERE ARE THREE MAPS THAT ARE BEYOND THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. THOSE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF YOUR REPORTED DOCUMENT SECTION IT IS THAT PLACE IN THEIR MISTAKES OR WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE THAT MOVED OUT.

THERE WERE THREE SURVEYS. >> SPEAKER: WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON TO AND THREE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WILL BRING US BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS ARE PREPARED TO MOVE ITEM 2. LET ME JUST SAY ALL I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS ALL POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.

SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS TODAY.

IT WILL BE GOOD FOR VILANO BEACH.

BY THE WAY, MAYOR VIVIAN OF STREET APPROVES TOO.

SO WITH THAT MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2019 64 COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2018 05 NORTH B FOR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR THAT'S EXCLUDING THE SURVEY SKETCHES

BEHIND THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. >> I WILL INCORPORATE THAT MY MOTION EXCLUDING SURVEYS, BOTH RESISTANT SURVEYS.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5 TO 0. SPEECH I WILL ALSO MOVE ITEM 3 A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2019 65 PUD 20 1907 NORTH BEACH CAMPGROUND SUBJECT TO NON-FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0.

CONGRATULATIONS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR.

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>> SPEAKER: BEFORE CYNTHIA BEGINS THIS IS ANOTHER QUASIJUDICIAL. SO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> SPEAKER: YES.

I HAVE SEVERAL. THIS IS ITEM 4? I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND PAUL FERBER TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AND ALL ISSUES INVOLVING THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEPARTMENT ACTIVITY.

I HAVE RECEIVED ROUGHLY 25 EMAILS ON THIS PROJECT ALL EXPRESSING CONCERNS AND OBJECTIONS FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS FROM SEVERAL COMMUNITIES.

>> THANK YOU, I HAVE TWO RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS I THINK PART OF OUR DISCLOSURE THAT WILL BE RECORDED I HAD A PERSONAL MEETING ON JUNE 13, 2019 ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND TOM DEMONDRE AND REGINA ROSS. WE DISCUSSED THIS AND WE HAD ALREADY HAD THE TRANSMITTAL WAS COMPLETED BEFORE DISCUSS SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN DISCUSSED TRAFFIC PRE-AND POST AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.

WE DISCUSSED THE 10 OUT PARTIALS AND POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL USERS. WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE VARIANCE

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I THINK THAT WILL COMPLETE MY DISCLOSURE.

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE ANY MEETINGS DOCUMENTED SINCE THE TRANSMITTAL BUT I HAVE RECEIVED AN UNCOUNTED NUMBER OF EMAIL MESSAGES BOTH FOR AND AGAINST

THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF INTERACTIONS I MET THURSDAY MAY 30 AT 10:30 A.M. WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND TOM AND LINDSAY TO DISCUSS THIS.UT A NUMBER OF EMAILS BOTH OPPOSING AND SUPPORTING. I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH MR. CLINT WHERE WE DISCUSSED SOME CONCERNS HE HAD WITH THIS PROJECT. I ALSO SPOKE WITH MR. CHRIS PAYING AS WELL WHO RAISED CONCERNS AS A RESIDENT.

I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CORRESPONDENCE WITH MR. TOM BROMLEY WHO HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND WHETHER THERE COULD BE SOME REDUCTION IN THE.

ALL THESE PHONE CALLS REALLY INVOLVED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND SOME CONCERNS AS RESIDENTS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU.

I ALSO HAD A MEETING ON 6:13 WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND TOM AND LINDSAY. WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED HERE.

THE PROJECT AND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.

THE NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING IN NORTH FLORIDA COUNTY MOTHERS FOR FELONY OF THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS AND I DID RECEIVE A LOT OF EMAILS I RECEIVED ONE PHONE CALL BUT I WAS DRIVING AND I HAVE HANDS-FREE ÃYOU HAVE TO HAVE HANDS-FREE AND I COULD NOT WRITE DOWN WHO I WAS TALKING WITH.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

THIS IS A PUD APPLICATION FOR 2000 1904 THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF RACETRACK ROAD AND ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY AND IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS OPEN RURAL AND IS SURROUNDED BY PUD'S THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 71 ACRES FROM OPEN RURAL TO PUD. THERE'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS ENACTED JULY 3 2019, AND THAT CHANGED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS A NATION TO MIXED USE AND CONSERVATION AND THAT INCLUDED A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR UP TO 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USE AND UP TO 3100 MULTIFAMILY USE.

IT WAS LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMERCIAL AND A MINIMUM OF 19 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS ARE TO BE PRESERVED. THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 50 ACRES REMAINING DEVELOPABLE, 15 OF THOSE WILL BE COMMERCIAL.

ABOUT 35 WOULD BE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE ABOUT 10.8 DENSITY UNITS DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THE RESIDENCES ARE PROPOSED TO BE TOWNHOUSES AND MULTIFAMILY.

THERE WOULD BE SCENIC EDGES FOR THE COMMERCIAL THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET ALONG THE FRONTAGE WITH ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AND THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD HAVE A.

[INDISCERNIBLE]. THAT WOULD SAY IS OVER 10 YEARS AND WOULD COMMENCE WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF P UD APPROVAL.

THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWS THE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE ADJACENT TO RACETRACK ROAD. THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IS IN THE MIDDLE SEPARATING THAT FROM RESIDENTIAL PUD TO THE SOUTH.

THEY HAVE REQUESTED SEVEN WAIVERS THAT WAS A PRIOR WAIVER THAT WAS REMOVED AS A RESULT OF THE PCA'S RECOMMENDATION.

IT INCLUDES THE NUMBER OF DAYS ALLOW FOR PROPOSED AUTOMOBILE OIL CHANGE AND TIRE SERVICE CENTER SETBACK TO THE NON-GARAGE PORTIONS OF THE TOWNHOMES.

ACCESS WAIVERS, PARKING REDUCTION FOR THE APARTMENTS.

OTHER PERIMETER BUFFERS AND TO SIGN WAIVERS.

CONCURRENCY DETERMINATION WILL BE LIMITED TO THE AVAILABLE CAPACITY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES.

RESIDENTIAL PORTION IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 1200

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DETAIL ACCESS WILL REQUIRED CONSTRUCTION APPROVAL FOR THE NONCONSTRUCTION PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

THERE'S A SCHOOL IMPACTED TERMINATION LETTER IN THE PACKET THAT WAS PROVIDED IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR STATING ESSENTIALLY THERE'S INSUFFICIENT CAPACITY IN ALL LEVELS IN AND IT WAS BASED ON MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

THIS PROJECT IS WITHIN FIVE MILES OF THE PRIMARY STATION AT. [INDISCERNIBLE] BAY.

THE PROJECT WILL BE SERVED BY GEAA AND THERE ARE FACILITIES FOR WATER AND SEWER ALREADY EXISTING ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT. THIS IS A MIXED-USE PROJECT WITHIN A GROWING DEVELOPMENT AREA NEAR DURBIN CROSSING AND THE PLANTATION WHICH ARE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS SEVERAL NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ALONG RACETRACK ROAD.

IT PROVIDES MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION PROVIDES A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES.

STAFF RECEIVED AT THE PREPARATION OF THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION ONE LETTER SINCE THE PCA HEARING REGARDING REQUEST A REZONING SINCE THAT TIME THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHERS WHICH I HAVE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD THIS MORNING THE WORLDWIDE SECTOR COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD IN JULY.

THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 30 RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS FROM THE AREA THAT PARTICIPATED THE PARTICIPANTS DISCUSSED THE DEVELOPER'S CONTROL OF THE PERMITTED USES IN THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE CENTER.

THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF COMMUNITY COMMITMENT FROM MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACTS TO SCHOOL CAPACITY AND TRAFFIC GENERATION AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN PLACE MAKING, BUILDING HEIGHTS AND THE VISUAL QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

ON AUGUST 15 OF 2019 AGENCY VOTED 42 IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THEY DISCUSSED THAT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP LACKED THE SPECIFICITY THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN THE SITE PLAN. THAT THE AREA IS SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROJECT COULD FILL THAT VOID.

THEY DISCUSSED THE WAIVER TO TREE SPACING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE ROAD AND AT THAT TIME THE APPLICANT AFTER THE AGENCY'S FIRST BOAT WHICH RESULTED IN A TIE OFFERED TO REMOVE THAT WAIVER AND THE FINAL VOTE WAS 4 TO 2. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PUD FINDING THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THERE ARE NINE FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO ÃI'M SORRY ÃTO SUPPORT A MOTION OF APPROVAL.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

AND I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T SEE ANY OF THIS TIME SO WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. THE WORD GOOD MORNING.

ELLEN AVERY SMITH, 100 WHETSTONE PLACE AND ST.

AUGUSTINE. WITH ME TODAY FROM THE FERBER COMPANY WHICH IS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER OF THIS PROPERTY ARE PAUL FERBER AND THE PROJECT PLANNER LINDSAY FROM ENGLAND JENSEN AND MILLER AND THE PLANTAR JEFF CRUMO FROM ENGLAND. AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE THE FERBER COMPANY IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER ÃDEVELOPMENT COMPANY AND ON THIS IS EXAMPLES OF THE PROJECTS THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED.

THIS IS 1/4 GENERATION FAMILY-OWNED COMPANY AND MR. FERBER AS IS ÃHIS OFFICE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AND PONTE VEDRE. YOU WILL RECALL WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS SITE AND HOW THE FERBER COMPANY AS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER REALLY WANTED THE ENTIRE SITE TO BE DEVELOPED WITH RETAIL AND OFFICE USES BUT BECAUSE OF THE RETAIL MARKET AND THE DEPTH OF THIS PROPERTY, THAT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION. THE BIG-BOX RETAILERS LIKE TARGET AND SOME OF THOSE OTHERS PWERE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS SITE WHICH IS MORE PLEDGE TO DURBIN PARK WHICH WE WILL TALK

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AND I WILL SHOW YOU THAT MAP IN A MINUTE.

WE WENT TO THE PCA ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE APPLIED TO THE COUNTY FOR TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY SO WE ARE WORKING WITH MR. NEWMAN AND MUST CRANK THEM ON THAT. WE HAVE APPLIED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. WE HAVE GOTTEN THE PROPORTIONATE MODEL BACK AND INTERESTINGLY PROMOTE THE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS MORE THAN $14,000 PER UNIT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, JUST KEEP IN MIND $14,000 AS A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A PROJECT AFTER ASSUMING THE BOARD APPROVES THIS TODAY WILL GO ON TO MASTER INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND BUILDING PERMITS. JUST TO ORIENT YOU, THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF RACETRACK ROAD AND ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY OR COUNTY ROAD 22 ONLINE.

YOU SEE THE LARGER AREA OF JOINT AND CREEK, DURBIN CROSSING AND YOU GO INTO THE LAKES AND PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST AND NORTH AND SOUTH TO THE EAST YOU HAVE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL OF DURBIN PARK WHICH THE SECOND PHASE THE REST OF DURBIN PARK IS IN THE PIPELINE NOW FOR DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THIS REALLY WAS THE LAST REMAINING HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT.

WHICH HAS BEEN REDESIGNATED TO MIXED-USE ON THE NORTH PART WITH A SIGNIFICANT CONSERVATION AREA OF 19 ACRES THAT PRESERVES AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED WITH DURBIN CREEK ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.IT ALSO PROVIDES A GREAT BUFFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES TO THE WEST AND SOUTH WHICH YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IN A MINUTE. YOU SEE THE PROXIMITY OF THE EXISTING 700,000 SQUARE FEET AND DURBIN PARK PHASE 1 AND THEN THE REST COMES IN FOR PUD REZONING SO THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING SHORTLY. YOU ALSO HAVE A MARKET ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL. SO GOING TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LINDSAY AND SHE WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PLANNING EXERCISE.

LINDSAY HAGER 14775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD.

THIS SLIDE DEPICTS THE TWO COMPONENTS WHICH MAKE UP A PUD AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TEXT. THIS IS HOW WE ADDRESS FOR PEDESTRIAN, VEHICULAR, SOCIAL, CULTURAL AND VISUAL NEEDS OF A PROJECT. THE NEXT SLIDE WILL WALK US THROUGH THE SITE AND KIND OF ANIMATE FOR YOU ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS SO WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO LIFE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S UNDER CIVIC CULTURE AND ITS TREED SOME KEY FEATURES THAT YOU HAVE IS THE EXISTING STORMWATER POND EARNED BY THE DURBIN CREEK ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY AND RACETRACK ROAD.

THE ROAD BOUNDARY REPRESENTS THE PUD PROPERTY SITE.

I'LL GIVE IT A MINUTE TO LOAD. THIS IS THE AREA WE HAVE RESERVED ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AN HOUR CARRYING FORWARD THE PUD OF 19 ACRES OF CONSERVATION AREA. AND BUILDING IN THE STORMWATER POND THAT SURROUNDS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT POND FOR TWO REASONS. THIS REPRESENTS THE ENTRY POINT AS YOU TURN SOUTH AND RETURN HOME FROM YOUR COMMUTE.

IT ALSO HAS BEEN A BUFFER AND SETBACK STANDARD FOR APARTMENT HOMES WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND IF WE CAN WORK WITH DCD TO INCORPORATE THAT POND INTO OUR POND AND IT'S IN THE RIGHT PLACEMENT FOR THAT AS WELL AS A TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT THAT IT MEETS OUR DRAINAGE NEEDS AND ITS LOCATION AND SIZE. ADDING AND AS ELLEN SAID THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF OUR VILLAGE WHICH IS NEIGHBORED COMMERCIAL AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL USES BRACKETED THERE AT THE CORNER OF ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY AND RACETRACK ROAD.

AND THE RESIDENTIAL ÃAND THIS IS OUR INTERNAL CRITICAL ACCESS DRIVE WHICH WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ALONG RACETRACK ROAD OUR MAIN ALIGNMENT IS AT THIS RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF RACETRACK ROAD WE HAVE THREE OTHER CONNECTION POINTS TO GET INTO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE VARIANCE OR DEVIATION TO THE SEPARATION STANDARDS WHICH IMPROVES OPERATIONAL STANDARDS THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY AND RACETRACK ROAD AND PROVIDES FOR AN ADDITIONAL EXTENDED TURN LANE, DUAL LEFT TURN LANES ON ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY. HERE IS WHERE WE SHOW WHERE THE

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EITHER TOWNHOMES OR APARTMENTS, BUT IT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT THAT PROVIDES FOR THE MISSING METAL RATHER THAN SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT TRANSITIONS AWAY FROM THE ACTIVITY AREAS OF THE COLLECTOR AND ARTILLERY ROADS THE COMMERCIAL FEATHERING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, BRACKETED BY THE EDGE OF THE CONSERVATION AREA TO MAKE FOR THAT TRANSITION. LASTLY, TO ACTIVATE THE SITE IS THE NORTHWEST SECTOR GOALS FOR HAVING SEEN AGAIN DEVELOPMENT EDGES. YOU WILL SEE AS WE LOOKED ALONG THE POLICY WOULD PROVIDE FOR A 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE ALONG RACETRACK ROAD WHERE THERE'S COMMERCIAL AND THEN YOU GO DEEPER WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL TO PUT IN THAT PART. SO THAT'S OUR AVERAGE 75 FOOT SCENIC EDGE. WE SHOT WITHIN THE CONSERVATION AREA BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE RETAINED AS IS SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE SURGERY BUT WAS SHOT ON OUR SITE PLAN.

HERE IS THE HIERARCHY WHEN I TALK ABOUT A PUD OR ANY PROJECT WITH A MIXED-USE COMPONENT IS TO ADDRESS THE HIERARCHY OF SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN PASSAGEWAYS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS ANY FOLKS THAT CURRENTLY WALK OR BIKE THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL ON ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY.

YOU CAN COME INTO THE SITE ON THE CRITICAL ACCESS BACK OUT TO TRANSITIONING TO FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS THAT CONNECT TO EXISTING SIDEWALKS ON RACETRACK ROAD AND ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY.

WE HAD OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING AND FROM WHAT I HEARD IN THE STAFF REPORT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ARE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE IS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE TO DISSOLVE INTO THE WELLS OF THE SITE? SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN THE 19 ACRES OF CONSERVATION AREA, THOSE TREES ARE MEASURED AT 40 FEET TALL SOME OF THESE DISTANCES YOU SEE TODAY OR POINT TO TAKING A SHOWER! AND THEN AT THE LONGEST POINT THERE HE LEARNED SINCE PZA THAT WE HAD A QUESTION, FROM A RESIDENT THAT LIVED IN THE ADJOINING CREEKSIDE TO THE WEST OF THE SITE AND THE DISTANCE IS 500 FEET.

SO WE ARE TALKING FOOTBALL THAT'S CLOSE ALMOST 3 FOOTBALL FIELDS DISTANT SEPARATION FOR 870 FEET.

THE NEXT SLIDE BRINGS FOR US THIS KIND OF HEIGHT STUDY TO SHOW WHAT THE APARTMENT HOMES ARE MEASURED AT 60 FEET, WHAT YOU CAN SEE THE DEPTH TO THE SOUTH SO LET ME WALK YOU DO THAT QUICKLY. THIS IS A CUT SECTION AND IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU FOUR SCALE THE DISTANT SEPARATION BETWEEN WHAT WOULD BE AN EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOME NEAR TO THE SOUTH AND THEN OUR PROPOSED FOUR-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING UNITS SEPARATED BY THE 19 ACRES OF CONSERVATION.

THIS ONE IS TO SCALE AND IT SHOWS YOU THE DEPTH.

SO IF YOU WERE A TWO-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY HOME HERE SITTING ON THE BALCONY AT EYE LEVEL YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH 800 FEET OF TREES. YOU WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY ANY VISUAL NATURE OR HAVE ANY OTHER PRIVACY INTERRUPTIONS YOU WOULD NOT BE USED TO AND THEN HERE IF YOU WERE LOOKING UP AND ABOVE YOU WOULD NOT BE INTERRUPTED BY SEEING SOMETHING IN THE SKY LINE. SO REALLY HAVING THAT AND RETAINING THE CONSERVATION AREA BRACKETS AREA TO BE CONSISTENT AND REALLY LOOK AT WHAT BRINGS US SIDE OF OF RACETRACK ROAD.

THIS IS IF YOU ARE STANDING ON ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY LOOKING TO THE WEST. THIS IS THE STORMWATER POND AND ITS WRAPPED BY TREES. THAT'S ABOUT A DISTANCE OF 800 FEET BUT ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY INTO THE SITE IF YOU RECALL THE SIZE OF THE POND IS ABOUT SEVEN ACRES.

SO 800 FEET FROM A FOUR-LANE COLLECTOR ROADWAY, YOU WOULD SEE THAT YOUR APARTMENT COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE WRAPPED

AROUND BY THIS. >> THIS IS TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF SOME INSPIRATION THAT THE COMPANY HAS AS FAR AS USES AND WHAT THEY ARE KIND OF GETTING A FEEL FOR FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ALSO HEARD AT THE NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING AND THEY HAVE MODIFIED THE PUD TO CARRY FORWARD SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS SO THEY WON'T MIRROR OR MIMIC AND ONLY APPLIES TO YOUR SIGNS.

INITIALLY WE HAD A BLACK AND WHITE VERSION FOR YOUR SIGNS SO WE COLORIZE IS TO GIVE YOU AN EXPRESSION OF WHAT THE SIGN PLAN MAY LOOK LIKE WHEN WE BRING FORWARD WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE NATURAL AND RETURN COLORED MATERIALS FOR YOUR SIGNAGE PLANS. THIS REPRESENTS ALL THE TYPES OF SIGNS THAT YOU CAN FIND ON THE BUILDING WHICH WOULD REFLECT AND KEEP UP WITH THE CHARACTER FOR THE NORTHWEST SECTOR AS WELL AS WHAT THE CHARACTER IS ON THIS PORTION OF THE COURT ORDER WHICH IF YOU KEEP IN MIND ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY AND THE TRANSMISSION IS FIVE MILES TO RACETRACK ROAD AND STATE ROAD 13. WE KIND OF MAKE UP THE BOOK AND

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BE DURBIN PARK. >>> AS WE MENTIONED WE INITIALLY STARTED OUT WITH EIGHT WAIVERS WHICH WAS NORMAL FOR A MIXED-USE SITE AND A SIZE OF THIS SIZE AND REMOVE ONE OF THE WAIVERS DURING OUR PZA DISCUSSION AND THAT WAS ABOUT CAPPING FORGERIES.SO I WOULD LIKE TO WALK US THROUGH TWO OF THEM THAT ARE OF MOST INTEREST. ONE OF WHICH WE HAVE DISCUSSED WHICH IS THE ACCESS ON ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY.

BUILT INTO YOUR LAND ABOUT THE CODE YOU HAVE THE STANDARD FOR AUTOMOBILE, OIL CHANGE FACILITIES THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THE NUMBER OF DAYS AND LIMITED TO THREE LEISURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WILL GRANT ANYMORE AND THEY CAN GO UP TO SIX. IF YOU HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH YOU ARE LIMITED TO TWO BECAUSE YOU POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE TO ENTRY BY OPENINGS ON EITHER SIDE AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH.

WE WOULD REQUEST TO LIMITED TO OUT PARCEL NUMBER 1 WHICH IS ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY PROVIDING FOR A BASIC SINGLE-SIDED. IT WOULD NOT BE A DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY. THE EDGE THAT WOULD BE FACING THE TRAVELING PUBLIC AND THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE THE BACKSIDE OF OUR BUILDING WHICH WOULD BE ARCHITECTURALLY FINISHED. WHAT THIS ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS PROVIDE BETTER OPERATIONS AND FUNCTIONS WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON CARS. QUICKCHANGE OIL TAKES ÃIT'S EASY TO LINDA CARSON'S AND OUT YOUR PLACING BELLS A LITTLE LONGER YOU WILL WANT TO STAY AND NOT PARTIES TO STAY IN THE BAY OF THE LONGER ANY NEED FOR AN OIL CHANGE FACILITY.

THIS SERIES OF SLIDE SHOWS YOU OUT PARCEL ONE TO ORIENT WHERE YOU ARE. RACETRACK ROAD.

THIS IS THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE EXISTING DURBIN CREEK NURSERY WITH A WETLAND PRESERVATION. RACETRACK ROAD FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT HERE THIS IS OUR PROPOSED TURN LANE BUT FROM HERE TO OUR PROPERTY IS ABOUT 40 FEET.

THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF RACETRACK ROAD IS 200 FEET.

ACROSS THE STREET THIS IS CONSERVATION PRESERVE LANDS WITHIN THE PUD ITSELF. WHAT YOUR CODE WOULD REQUIRE IS YOU ARE GOING TO DO THREE DAYS YOU CAN HAVE SIX CARS IN SERVICE AND YOU WOULD PARK THEM AND WORK ON HOW YOU NEED AN VALLEY AND MOVE THEM AROUND AS YOU WOULD LIKE.

THIS IS STRAIGHT CODE. IF THEN HE WANTED TO HAVE THREE BAYS WITH OPEN ENDED YOU COULD HAVE THREE AND THEY DRIVE-THROUGH AND OUT IN THE CENTER YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SEX BUT YOU WOULD SERVE THREE CARS AT A TIME TO DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY. WHAT WE PROPOSE IS SINGLE-SIDED WITH EIGHT DAYS SO THAT OPENING FACES TO THE WEST AND WE PROVIDE THE SCREENING STANDARD AGAIN.

YOU ARE HAVING THE SCENIC AS WITCHES CANOPY TREES 30 FEET ON CENTER NOT CANOPY TREES 20 FEET ON CENTER.

THERE'S A MASONRY WALL AND PVC THAT'S MASONARY WALL TO THE SOUTH RESIDENTIAL PVC FENCING FOR ARCHITECTURAL FINISHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IF YOU ARE OUT IN THE CREEK AREA NOW ALONG THE EXISTING TIRE CENTER PLACES.

EVERYTHING WOULD BE ORIENTED TO THIS AREA.

SO THIS DRIVE-THROUGH, YOU WOULD ROTATE ENEMAS WOULD BE ARCHITECTURALLY FINISHED BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS HOW THAT WAIVER WORKS AND WHY IS LIMITED TO OUT PARCEL NUMBER ONE AND EVERYTHING IS MITIGATED FOR BY PROVIDING FOR ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.

THIS IS THE SECOND POINT OF THE WAIVER TO TALK ABOUT AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT AND THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS BY GRANTING OF HIS WAIVER AND IS DIRECTIONAL AXIS LEFT IN FROM ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY INTO THE SITE. IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE USERS OF THE COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN BEFORE THEY GET INTO THE INTERSECTION WITH ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY AND RACETRACK ROAD.

WHAT THAT HAS THE EFFECT OF HIS SAVING DELAY TIME AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF IMPROVING OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES FOR THE INTERSECTION. BUT THIS WAIVER IS BOLSTERED BY THE CONDITIONS IN THE PUD WHERE THE APPLICANT WILL KEEP A BOND IN PLACE IN THE AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED IF THERE IS A NEED TO CLOSE OPENING. THEY'VE EXTENDED THE LENGTH OF THE DUAL LEFT AND PUT UP THE MONEY THAT IF THE COUNTY IN THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO CLOSE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE MONEY TO ACCESS THAT BOND TO DO THAT WORK SO AT NO COST TO THE PUBLIC. THIS DIAGRAM IN THE BRAIN SHOWS YOU WHAT I JUST WALK YOU THROUGH ABOUT WHERE OUR ACCESS POINT WOULD BE AND WHY IT MAKES SENSE HERE.

HERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING STORM WATER POND, OUR POND BRACKETS IT AND WE HAVE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

HE WENT OUT TO LOOK AT THE SITE YOU WOULD SEE WE HAD OUR DRIVEWAY CUTTER SO WE ARE MAKING USE OF THAT.

THE SCREEN IS THE EXTENSION OF THE DUAL LEFT CENTER THERE NOW AND THEN THIS WOULD BE OUR DUAL TURN LANE THAT FOLKS ARE COMING OUT OF THIS PROJECT COULD COME IN ENTER AND YOU TURN AS THEY WENT SOUTH. IT GIVES US OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES ON THIS PORTION OF ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY.

AND JUST WRAP UP. THIS ONE IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THOSE TOOLS BUT HAVE BEEN EXTENDED WILL PROVIDE STORAGE FOR 34 CARS ARE 25 FEET IN LENGTH SO THAT GIVES YOU THE KIND OF SCOPE THIS IMPROVEMENT WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND WITH THAT I WILL SUMMARIZE WITH THE SAME POINTS THAT WE RECEIVED AND PRESENTED WITH THE APPROVAL OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

THIS REPRESENTS INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS PROVIDED FOR

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THE BOOK AND OF RACETRACK ROAD AT ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY AND WE ARE MITIGATED FOR OUR IMPACTS TWO DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS FOR SCHOOL AND TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY AND PROVIDING FOR ENHANCEMENTS WITH LANDSCAPING AND SETBACKS IN A HIGH PROFILE THAT MEETS THE CHARACTER AND IS BRACKETED BY 19 ACRES OF ROUGHLY JUST UNDER 30 PERCENT OF THE SITE IS OPEN.

WITH THAT I WILL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR IF WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE PROJECT.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I SEE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> SPEAKER: OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS MARY CHAPMAN AND I LIVE AT 237 BRANCH WAY AND ST.

JOHN'S THIS IS MY FIRST TIME AT ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS AND I THINK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE READ MY EMAILS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT WE PURCHASED IN SHILLINGTON CREEK PLANTATION BECAUSE IT WAS A COMPLETED SUBDIVISION WITH LOTS OF TREES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA SINCE THEN THEY'VE CLEARED HUNDREDS OF ACRES TO BUILD 646 HOMES ON HALF-ACRE LOTS.

ALL THE TREES ALONG RACETRACK ROAD WILL BE GONE FOR THE DURBIN PAVILION THE FORCES CLAIMED TO BE CLEARED AND DEVELOPED WITH 10 OUT PARCELS FACING RACETRACK ROAD EACH MULTIFAMILY TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS AND WHAT I HAD THOUGHT WAS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

FIRST IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND INCLUDED FOUR STORIES ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN LIMITED TO I BELIEVE THE COUNTY STANDARDS SHOULD BE MET OR EXCEEDED END NOT WAIVED.

TWO WAYS TO REDUCE THE NEED FOR PARKING SPACES WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FIRST WITH THREE STORIES WILL BE LESS APARTMENTS AND LESS NEED FOR PARKING SPACES.

TODAY IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE MAXIMUM THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS AT 50 PERCENT SIMILAR TO BEACH WALK INSTEAD OF A 30 PERCENT OF UNITS BEING PROPOSED.

PLEASE MAINTAIN THE PARKING SPACES PER APARTMENT UNIT AND DENY THIS REQUEST TO ELIMINATE 40 PARKING SPACES BASED ON 280 APARTMENTS AT 1.75 PARKING SPACES PER APARTMENT UNIT.

FINALLY, BASED ON MARKET RATE RENTS TO BE CHARGED ON HOW WILL THIS YET TO BE DETERMINED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT IS ATTAINABLE BY TEACHERS, POLICE, FIREFIGHTERS AND OTHER ESSENTIAL PROFESSIONALS?HE CURRENT APARTMENT RENTAL RATE AND NOVELTY BASED ON 30 PERCENT OF MONTHLY GROSS INCOME WOULD REQUIRE GROSS INCOMES OF 52,000 FOR A ONE BEDROOM AND 62,000 WERE TWO BEDROOMS. BASED ON THE AVERAGE SALARY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR FIREFIGHTERS AT 39,004 TEACHERS AT 47,000 AND FOUR POLICE AND 57,000, DOES APARTMENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS UNAFFORDABLE FOR THE AVERAGE FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE AND TEACHERS AND ONLY ONE BEDROOM UNITS WOULD BE AFFORDABLE FOR AVERAGE BULLIES.

THANK YOU. >> I HIGHLY STRESSED SHE SHOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AS WELL IS BACK TO YOUR OWN COMMUNITIES. MOST IMPORTANTLY I THINK IT LACKS THE CONTINUITY OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING AREA. LOTS OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND THAT INTERSECTION AS IT STANDS IS ÃSHOULD NOT BE BUILT FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. ONE, IT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT WILL LIKELY NOT CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS THOSE WHO HAVE INVESTED AND PAY THE TAX DOLLARS IN THE COMMUNITY. SECONDLY, I THINK IT'S GOING TO OVERCROWD THE EXISTING SCHOOLS. WITH THE OVERCROWDING YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE STUDENTS, MORE KIDS, MORE PARENTS WALKING ON SIDEWALKS ARE ALREADY CROWDED.

HAS THE DEVELOPER ADDRESSED THE NEED FOR MORE PSA, MORE

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THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GREAT FOR THE AREA.

IT'S GOING TO DISRUPT THE CURRENT CONTINUITY AND DISRUPT THE FLOW OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS.

I PREDICT THIS IS GOING TO TURN INTO URBAN SPRAWL.

WE DON'T WANT URBAN SPRAWL IN OUR AREA.

WE MOVED THERE TO HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO WALK DOWN THE STREET, WHICH TO THAT IMPACT, THERE'S NO OVERHEAD LIGHTING FOR US TO WALK DOWN THE STREET OR THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE EVENINGS.

IF YOU GO UP TO THE SPRINGS JUST NORTH OF HOME DEPOT DUAL COUNTY HAS JA ALONG THE ENTIRE PATHS SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN WALK WITH THEIR FAMILIES. EAST OF THE PUBLIX ON RACETRACK ROAD THERE IS NO OVERHEAD LIGHTING OVER THE SIDEWALKS.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, TO ME, THAT IS A MUST PLAY ON WORDS. AS MISS MARION SPOKE EARLIER, THIS IS NOT MEANT FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND TEACHERS ARE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. THIS WILL IMMEDIATELY OUT PRICE THEM AND AS MY WIFE WHO WAS FORMALLY A PROSECUTOR IN THIS COUNTY AND CIRCUIT, AFTER STARTING SALARY COMING OUT OF LAW SCHOOL SHE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OF AFFORDED IT TAKING OUT OF THE CONSIDERATION STUDENT LOANS AND OTHER COSTS OF LIVING. SO PLEASE SEND THIS BACK TO THE DEVELOPER, PLEASE RETHINK THIS AND WAS PREVENT URBAN SPRAWL IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: BJ KALAIDI. I DO APPRECIATE MS. MARY AND I APPRECIATE MR. CHRIS. I ALSO APPRECIATE CHARLES.

I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO READ SOME OF THE STUFF AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO IT. AS YOU HAVE HEARD.

AND YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING HOW YOU USE LANGUAGE.

THE PCA PASSED IT 4 TO 2. WHEN YOU GET THAT INFORMATION, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE SPECIFIC BECAUSE IN SAYING THE PCA APPROVED IT, THAT'S TRUE. BUT SAYING 4 TO 2, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS. REDUCE THE HEIGHT, TELL THEM TO DO THAT OR DENY IT. AND IN LISTENING TO SOME OF THIS, THEY WANT TO START WORK ON THIS UNTIL 2024.

ARE WE GOING TO BE AROUND HER TO SEA? ARE THEY GOING TO COME IN AND CHANGE THINGS BEFORE THEY GET STARTED? AND THEN FOLLOWING UP ON HIS WORKFORCE, THIS IS NOT WORKFORCE.

WE ALL KNOW IT. THEY ARE USING THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.T'S NOT. I'M GOING TO KEEP ON SAYING IT.

CAN'T ANYBODY WORKING IN THE TOURIST INDUSTRY SERVING BEER OR WAITING ON TABLES LIVE IN THESE KIND OF APARTMENT TOWNHOUSES? THE ANSWER IS NO.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROTECTING US.

WE APPRECIATE THEM. IT'S NOT FOR THEM EITHER.

SO THIS LANGUAGE BUSINESS UP HERE, WE ONLY GET THREE MINUTES AND I COULD GO ON AND ON AND THEY CAN REBUT BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS ONE AGAIN AND THANKED WHO ARE WE WORKING FOR? THE BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS WHO MOVED IN WITH CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS AND OUR COMP PLAN SOMEHOW SOMEWAY IS NEVER FOLLOWED OR IS TWEAKED A LOT.

SO THAT WE CAN GET PUD'S AND GET WHAT WE REALLY WANT.

THAT HEIGHT IS BOTHERING ME. REALLY BOTHERS ME AND I DON'T LIVE UP THERE EITHER. SO GOOD LUCK.

>> SPEAKER: THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SAME ONE WE WILL CLOSE IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES CAN WE HAVE OUR POWERPOINT BACKUP?

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THIS AREA IS IN DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE IS A NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. WHEN WE WENT TO OUR COMMUNITY MEETING IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE SOME FOLKS FELT THE NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THE AREA WHILE OTHERS DECIDED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT PEOPLE WHO WERE RENTERS IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THAT. THIS DOES INCLUDE A MAXIMUM OF 400 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD APPROVED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE.

IT IS A PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE-FAMILY AREA RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS KIND OF HOUSING FOR PEOPLE.

AND SO WE WILL POINT THAT OUT TO YOU.

I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE SCHOOL MITIGATION APPLICATION PROCESS.

IT CAME BACK WITH A PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF OVER $14,000 A UNIT AND THAT'S THE CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SCHOOL SEATS FOR THESE CHILDREN. AND SO THAT IS WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES FOR MEDICATION. WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE LAW FOR TRANSPORTATION LITIGATION. IT SHOULD BE NOTED WHEN IT COMES TO RACETRACK ROAD, OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DRI AND DURBAN PARK. BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE OBLIGATED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO RACETRACK ROAD AS WELL AS E.

PATENT PKWY. AND OTHER PORTIONS OF THE REGIONAL ROADWAY NETWORK. I AM GOING TO LET LINDSAY TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THAT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT PARKING SPACES AND THE FACT THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE THREE BEDROOMS IN THIS COMMUNITY APARTMENT UNITS.

THAT IS THE REPRODUCTION AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES TO A MINIMUM OF 1.75 SPACES PER UNIT AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE 1.75 BUT A LOT OF THESE UNITS WILL BE ONE-BEDROOM PROBABLY ABOUT 40 PERCENT AND THEN ANOTHER ÃAND THEN THE REMAINDER WILL BE AGAIN TWO-BEDROOM NO MORE HAN 30 PERCENT OF THE THREE BEDROOM. IT WILL ALSO BE A GATED AREA INTO THE APARTMENT AND TOWNHOME AREA SO THAT THAT SHOULD PREVENT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE PARCELS FROM PARKING WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS BOARD APPROVED FOR BEACH WALK ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO. AND SO THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THIS SETS UP THE SCALE OF THE SITE AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REGIONAL ROADWAY SOBER YOU ARE, 71 ACRES.

WE START TO TALK ABOUT HEIGHT AND THE TRANSITION.

ALONG RACETRACK ROAD THE COMMERCIAL MAXIMUM HEIGHT WAS SET AT 40 FEET. THAT'S COMPARABLE TO WHAT WAS APPROVED HERE FOR PARKWAY PLACE EXACTLY AT 40 FEET.

SO WE HAVE CUT ACROSS THE FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY OF ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY, 40 FEET. FOR THE SITE DEVELOPED AS TOWNHOMES IT WOULD BE 35 FEET, WHICH IS NORMAL FOR THAT TYPE OF ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY. YOU COULD ALMOST CONSIDER ALTHOUGH OUR CODE CALLS THAT MULTIFAMILY.

THE APARTMENTS ARE AT 60 FEET AND WE WALKED THROUGH THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. LET ME JUST ADVANCE US TO SHOW THE SCALE. TOLERATE FOR JUST A MOMENT.

REALLY START TO THINK NOW WHEN WE GO THROUGH RACETRACK ROAD ITSELF IS 200 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY, FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY WITH IN LANDSCAPED MEDIAN. OF THAT 200 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY SEPARATING FROM CELESTINO AND THE CHARACTER OF THIS ARTERIAL ROADWAY CORRIDOR, THERE IS 40 FEET OF JUST SWALE FROM THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT OF RACETRACK ROAD TO OUR PROPERTY LINE. ONCE YOU HIT OUR PROPERTY THERE IS A 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE THAT WILL HAVE CANOPY AND NON-CANOPY TREES THAT FRAME IN OUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

WHERE THE HEIGHT KIND OF QUESTION COMES IN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING AND AT THE PCA IS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.

AS WE THINK ABOUT HEIGHT AT LEAST STEPPED IN FROM THE ARTERIAL ROADWAY HEAR THE COLLECTOR ROADWAY OF ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY. WE HAVE THE EXISTING POND THAT REIGNED BY TREES NOW. OUR STORMWATER POND THAT CREATES THAT SENSE OF ARRIVAL AND SETBACK 800 FEET FROM A FOUR-LANE COLLECTOR ROADWAY THAT YOU TUCKED IN YOUR BUILDINGS INTO THIS POD THAT SEPARATED AT ITS GREATEST DISTANCE TO THE SOUTH AND 800 FEET NEARLY 3 FOOTBALL FIELDS AND CONSERVATION AREA THAT WILL NOT BE DISTURBED AND WE ARE SEPARATED FROM THE AREA TO THE WEST THAT DISTANCE IS 500 FEET

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SO THAT ADDRESSES HEIGHT. WE ARE COMPARABLE WITH THE HEIGHTS APPROVED IN THE AREA WAS BUILT AND WE ARE SEPARATED AND ON THE TREATMENTS THAT YOU DO TO STAIRSTEP BACK ANY HEIGHTS THAT WILL BE DISRUPTED TO FOLKS WHETHER IT'S A SENSE OF PRIVACY OR OVERSHADOWING AND THAT'S BUILT TO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES THAT YOU SEE IN THE PUD.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US?

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THE HIKE KEVIN THIS IS JUST A BLANK WHERE YOU WILL PUT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WAS TO KEEP YOU FROM BUILDING. [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> THIS IS A PLAN TO. [INDISCERNIBLE] EACH PARCEL WITHIN THE PUD IS LABELED WITH A SPECIFIC USE.

SO ALONG THE FRONT IT SAYS OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S THE ONLY USE THAT CAN GO THERE.

RESIDENTIAL IS LABELED AND THAT POD IS RESIDENTIAL.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD SAY IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF USAGE, YOU MUST GO FORWARD WITH A MAJOR MODIFICATION. THEY ARE LOCKED IN ON THE BLACK AND WHITE PLAN. COMMERCIAL, MULTIFAMILY WHERE

YOU SEE IT. >> SPEAKER: BUT YOU COULD PUSH THE 60 FOOT BUILDINGS RIGHT TO THE NORTH UP AGAINST THE

COMMERCIAL? >> SPEAKER: YES.

SO FOR HERE, THIS IS OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN BLACK AND WHITE PLAN AND YES. AT THE BACK END OF OUR CRITICAL ACCESS DRIVE WHICH IS ABOUT A DEPTH OF 450 FEET FROM RACETRACK ROAD, YOU COULD HAVE A BUILDING AT 60 FEET.

>> SPEAKER: WITH REALLY NO OTHER COVERAGE ON A 35 FOOT

BUILDING? >> AND WITH THE TRANSITION BEING OTHER THAN DISTANCE LANDSCAPING AND BUILDINGS

THEMSELVES MAXIMUM OF 40 FEET. >> SPEAKER: LIKE THE HABIT TOWN

CENTER IN JACKSONVILLE? >> SPEAKER: SIMILAR.

THAT YOU WOULD SEE. ON THIS ROADWAY 40 FEET, 35 FOOT SCENIC EDGE AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE PARKING OR PEDESTRIAN AREAS HIERARCHY OF SIDEWALKS IN THE LANDSCAPING GOING INTO THE BUILDINGS. COULD BE ONE ELEMENT.

THAT'S A FAIR TRANSITION. >> SPEAKER: REGARDING THE PARKING YOU ARE REQUESTING 1.75 SPACES PER UNIT VERSUS OUR CODE OF TWO SPACES PLUS ONE FOR EVERY FOUR UNITS.

AND THERE'S BEEN A CONCERN EXPRESSED RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND IF I REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY, THESE MULTIFAMILY SITES ARE GATED THEY ARE NOT JUST PRIVATELY OWNED. IS THAT STILL ACCURATE IN THE

PROPOSAL? >> YES SIR.

THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE PUD THAT THE MULTIFAMILY SITE WILL BE GATED. IT'S ALSO WRITTEN INTO THE PUD THAT NO MORE THAN 30 PERCENT OF ANY APARTMENT UNITS WILL BE THREE BEDROOMS OR LARGER. SO THAT'S ANOTHER POINT THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE A LARGER APARTMENT UNITS WHICH GENERATE THE LARGER NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

WHAT I UNDERSTOOD MS. CHAPMAN TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS A C OF PARKING PERHAPS. I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT AND WE ARE TRYING NOT TO PROVIDE THE SEE OF PARKING BY REDUCING THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

>> IT'S A TIGHT ROAD WALK. I'VE HEARD BOTH CONCERNS.

TOO MUCH PARKING BECAUSE IT BECOMES A C OF ASPHALT AND NOT ENOUGH PARKING MANY PEOPLE LINE OF PARKING IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. BEING A GATED COMMUNITY MEANS VERY RARE FOR SOMEONE TO PARK OUTSIDE OF A GATED COMMUNITY AND THEN WALK IN. BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOT MY EXPERTISE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING TO PARK IN THE GRASS IN UNINTENDED AREAS COMMERCIAL OUTSIDE OF THE GATED COMMUNITIES TO MEET THE NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS OF THE RESIDENTS THERE VISITORS THAT ARE VISITING WITH THEM. WE WANTED TO BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT WERE HERE FIRST. SO THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS TO MAKE SURE PARKING IS ADEQUATE.

LIMITING THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS DOES ACHIEVE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TYPICAL MIX IS FOR ONE, TO AND THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGNATING THE

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ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS NOT NUMBER ONE IN SCHOOLS, LOWEST CRIME RATES, QUALITY OF LIFE AND WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED BACK IN THE 1980S, EARLY 1980S WHEN IT WAS FIRST BEING CONSIDERED, IT INCLUDES SINGLE-FAMILY MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OVER THREE SQUARE MILES OF THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF OUR COUNTY. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE FIELD.

RACETRACK ROAD WAS A NARROW 2 LANE DARK WINDING RD.

THAT YOU HAD TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE OF HOW THICK THE FOG OCCURRED AT TIMES. YOU COULD BARELY SEE AT THE END OF YOUR HOOD. IT'S TURNED INTO A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN I WAS RAISED HERE. DIFFERENT DOES NOT MEAN BAD.

BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHY YOU MOVED TO AN AREA AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THESE QUESTIONS IS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE UNKNOWN. I HAVE HEARD STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE THAT WERE FACTUALLY INACCURATE BY PEOPLE EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS. AND SO I BRING THESE QUESTIONS TO YOU TO BRING FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO THE CONCERNS PERCEIVED OR REAL. TRAFFIC IS ONE.

I HEARD IT'S GOING TO IMPACT LESS THAN ONE PERCENT.

THE OVERPASS OVER I-95 IS PROGRAMMED INTO THE DOT'S FUNDING WHEN IT'S WIDENED. IT'S ALSO A PART OF THE GERMAN PARK WHEN WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST OVER RACETRACK ROAD WILL BE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC EXPERT AND BOTH THE COUNTY AND OTHER EXPERTS SAY THAT EVEN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT ALL OF DURBIN PARK, RACETRACK ROAD IS NOT JUSTIFIED TO HAVE SIX LANES THROUGH THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF IT. A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT WILL BE SIX LANES FROM U.S. 1 WEST TO A CERTAIN DISTANCE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. OVERALL I'VE HEARD THE MAJORITY OF THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

THE FERBER COMPANY IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY MULTI-GENERATION FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WERE RAISED HERE.

IT'S NOT A COMPANY THAT IS COMING IN FROM ANOTHER STATE TO DO THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT AND EVAPORATE OVER TIME.Y FAMILY IS MULTIGENERATIONAL IN THE AREA.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE COMPANY HAS BUILT ON THEIR WEBSITE AND IN REALITY TO LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO ADVOCATE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

I AM SAYING THIS TO SAY THESE ARE FACTS.

THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

HOW LIKELY ARE WE TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY IF SOMETHING IS BUILT THAT IS NOT ACCORDING TO WHAT WE SEE OR UNDERSTOOD TO BE CONSTRUCTED? WHERE CAN WE FIND THAT? DOES THE COMPANY STILL EXISTS? YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MULTI-GENERATION NORTHEAST FLORIDA BASED FAMILY AND BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN HERE A LITTLE WHILE.

WE ARE EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO REACH OUT TO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING DEVELOPED. THERE'S TWO DEVELOPMENTS IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE HAVE HAD TO REACH OUT MULTIPLE TIMES BECAUSE THE SUBCONTRACTORS HAVE NOT BEEN MEETING WAS IN BLACK AND WHITE ACCORDING TO WHAT'S ALLOWED TO BE BUILT AND WHEN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE WORKING UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IN ONE SITUATION THEY BEEN GIVING US A CEASE AND DESIST. THAT'S VERY EFFECTIVE IN SHUTTING DOWN DEVELOPMENT. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT WILL WE KNOW WHERE WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO SAY YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS CHANGE OR ELSE, THAT MAKES A POSITIVE IMPACT.

IF THEY ARE A COMPANY THAT'S IN ANOTHER STATE THEY WILL BE IS ENGAGED AND CONCERNED WITH THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THE ORDER OF CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ÃI SAW THE TIMELINE OVERALL BUT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PLAN FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAYS? WHEN ARE THE ATTORNEYS REQUIRED TO BE CONSTRUCTED THE 60 SOMETHING VEHICLES THAT CAN BE QUEUED IN A TURN LANE THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> I HAVE A GREAT SLIDE FOR THAT AS WELL. SO GOING BACK ÃI APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT CHANGES AND CERTAINLY DURBIN PARK WHICH WAS

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THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GENERATOR, AND SO THERE WILL BE CHANGE AND WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THAT FACT, BUT THAT HORSE HAS LEFT THE BARN.

THIS WAS PROPOSED JUST AS A PROJECT THAT WOULD PROVIDE MORE COMMUNITY -RELATED SERVICES, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORE, BANK, PERHAPS GASOLINE STATION, INSURANCE BROKERAGE, WHATEVER. THAT'S THE DESIGN ALONG RACETRACK ROAD TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL WITH THE MULTIFAMILY IN THE BACK THAT REALLY IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE MISSING MIDDLE. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TRADITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDING HOUSING TO PEOPLE WHO SIMPLY MAY NOT WANT TO OWN HOME OR SIMPLY MAY NOT ÃJUST GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE OR WHATEVER AND DON'T HAVE A DOWN PAYMENT FOR A HOME YET.

WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING IS THIS IS A NEED IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY.

BUT WHEN IT GOES TO THE APARTMENTS, THIS IS A PARKING STUDY THAT WAS DONE RECENTLY. THIS WAS FOR THE BEACH WALK APARTMENTS, AND YOU SEE THAT THE PARKING RATIO WAS THE 1.75.

THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD APPROVED. UT YOU SEE SOME OF THE SIMILAR PROJECTS. AND THIS WAS DONE ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO WHEN THERE WERE NO OTHER NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND SO YOU SEE THE PARKING RATIO IS 1.38, 1.5, 1.39, 1.52 AND ON.

SO THIS IS JUST TO SHOW THAT 1.75 IS A REALISTIC PARKING COUNT, PARTICULARLY WITH A 30 PERCENT CAP ON THE NUMBER THREE OR LARGER BEDROOM APARTMENTS. WE WOULD GUESSTIMATE AND AGAIN WITH THAT 30 PERCENT WE WILL ASSUME BECAUSE THAT'S WORST-CASE SCENARIO THAT DOES 30 PERCENT ARE GOING TO BE THREE-BEDROOM. SO YOU HAVE 70 PERCENT LEFT IF YOU HAVE 35 PERCENT ONE-BEDROOM AND 35 PERCENT TO BEDROOM CERTAINLY 1.75 IS THE MINIMUM. IT WOULD BE ADEQUATE PARKING.

IT WOULD ALSO PREVENT THE SEE OF PARKING.

CERTAINLY IF THE DEVELOPER NEEDS MORE PARKING THERE WILL BE ROOM AVAILABLE FOR THAT PARKING TO BE PROVIDED LATER ON AND NOT IMPEDE THE OPEN SPACE. WE ARE AWARE OF THE 25 PERCENT

OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. >> TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER JOHN'S QUESTION ABOUT TIMELINE, WE DID SPEND EFFORT TO WALK THROUGH THIS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO TIE AND WHEN DEVELOPMENT WOULD COME IN AND EXPLAIN HOW MEDICATION WORKS IN RELATION TO THE OVERALL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS WHAT CAN BE EXPECTED IN CONSTRUCTION.

SO THIS HELPS TO UNDERSTAND FROM A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TO MITIGATE WHEN WE WOULD CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY MASTER SITE WORK WHEN THAT BEGAN WE HAD TO FINALIZE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE SOME MASTER SITE WORK GETTING OUR FINAL ENTITLEMENTS DONE.

WE CAN WORK TO THAT POINT ON ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY ALIGNING MAC TO BE OFF PEAK ON THE SCHOOLS WHEN YOU ARE ENTERING THE END OF SPRING AND INTO SUMMER THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME ABOUT OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN SO THE DRIVING MOTHER'S CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING ISN'T OCCURRING WHEN YOU ARE IN SCHOOL SESSION AND THIS WALKS US THROUGH WHAT WE COULD GET OUR FIRST CO EXPECTATION WISE AND WHEN WE WOULD FINALIZE SELLING OUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO TOWNHOMES AND THEN AGAIN IF YOU ARE IN APARTMENT CONSTRUCTION.

DIFFERENT BECAUSE TOWNHOMES CAN BE IN INCREMENTS OF TWO BUILDINGS, TYPICALLY FOUR, SIX, EIGHT.

IN A MULTIUNIT APARTMENT BUILDING THAT WOULD ARRIVE THERE DIFFERENTLY. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ON THE TIMEFRAME. OTHER REMINDERS TO HAVE FOR THIS IS THE SITE FOR THE ACCESS POINT ON ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY WOULD BE BONDED DEFINITELY IN PLACE BY THE 300 UNIT AND THAT'S IN PLACE AND THAT THE AMOUNT THE COUNTY DEFINES TO BE WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO CLOSE TO THAT POINT.

IT'S BRACKETED. THIS TIMELINE IS BRACKETED.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS.

WHAT ARE THEY ESTIMATED? >>.

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THAT SETS THE TONE ARE CRITICAL ACCESS DRIVE THERE TO RACETRACK ROAD WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE COMMERCIAL PARCELS UNDERWAY.

SO 2021 WHICH THEY HAVE DIFFERENT USERS IN LINE FOR

THOSE PARCELS. >> THANK YOU.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. AND BY THE WAY, MY FAMILY MOVED TO THE PLANTATION IN 2000 BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE REALITY OF WHAT IT DOES WITH ITS NUMBER ONE SCHOOLS ITS CONVENIENCE TO A LOT OF THE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND RECREATION, OPPORTUNITIES THAT CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN A HIGH QUALITY FOR A VERY RELATIVELY SPEAKING LOW COST FOR CED AND HOA FEES COMPARED TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES.

WE NEED A BROAD SPECTRUM OF RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THE NORTHEAST. WE HAVE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF MULTIFAMILY ÃI MEANT NORTHWEST.

WE HAVE A VERY SMALL OPPORTUNITY FOR MULTIFAMILY OR LOWER COST HOUSING. YOU CAN CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT TO BUT WHEN I GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, AND ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT WAS ALL I COULD AFFORD WITH A ROOMMATE FOR A SHORT TIME. LIVING ON THE SOFA.

YOU FIND WAYS TO ADAPT BASED ON THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN.

MY WIFE WORKS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND HAS BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS. KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE SHE WORKS WITH, AND FIREFIGHTERS AND DEPUTIES AND MANY, MANY OF THEM LIVE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR AS IT IS TODAY, PROVIDING A BROAD SPECTRUM OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IS HEALTHY FOR AN ECONOMY. IF IT'S ALL ONE TYPE OF USE, IT'S ÃTHERE'S A MUCH GREATER IMPACT THE ECONOMY CHANGES.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TOURISM IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF OUR COUNTY COMPARED TO ST. AUGUSTINE.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND TO WORK AND MEET THEIR BASIC NEEDS FOR GROCERIES, MEDICAL, I UNDERSTAND FLAGLER HEALTH PLUS WILL HAVE A FACILITY IN DURBAN PARK. IT WILL BE A LARGELY WALKABLE COMMUNITY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO DRIVE DISTANCES FOR A VERY HIGH QUALITY AND STANDARD OF LIVING BY ANY STANDARDS.

SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CONCERNS, CHANGE IS SCARY, BUT THE PEOPLE THERE HAVE BEEN THERE LESS THAN 10 YEARS. I REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS NOTHING BUT PLANTED PINE TREES AND A HUNTING GROUND PRIVATELY OWNED. THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER AREAS IN OUR COUNTIES THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST 40 OR 50 YEARS. THOSE CHANGES OVERALL HAVE BEEN FOR THE BETTER. IT'S WITH ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND BASED ON THE QUALITY OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN BUILT BY THIS COMPANY AND OTHER AREAS AND BY THE QUALITY OF WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THIS CORRIDOR, WHICH IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADWAY.T'S SUPPOSED TO MOVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF WHAT I'VE SEEN TO DATE.

I WILL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT AS WELL THE RESIDENCE AND I WANT THEM TO TELL ME IF THEY SEE SOMETHING OF CONCERN.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS ITS RESPONSIBILITIES FOR KEEPING UP THE NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE NUMBERS OF STUDENTS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED.

BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE THE FIRST BUILDING CAN BE OCCUPIED. THE FIRE STATION WILL BE COMPLETED BEFORE THIS WILL BE BUILT.

I WISH IT WAS COMPLETED IN THE NEARLY 20 YEARS I HAVE LIVED IN THE PLANTATION BECAUSE MY INSURANCE RATES WILL GO DOWN AND THE RESPONSE TIME WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED.

FOR THOSE REASONS, MR. CHAIR, I'M IN FAVOR OF WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR AND THE ANSWERS I'VE PHEARD TO THE CONCERNS.

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> SPEAKER: EITHER MRS. SMITH OR MS. HAGER I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE 400 APARTMENT UNITS. DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE FOUR STORIES, BUT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMITATION, THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE 60 FEET?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT. >> SPEAKER: AND I AM NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION, BUT I DO KNOW ÃI WAS INVOLVED IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, AND OUR BIGGEST ISSUE WAS THE HEIGHT LIMITATION ALONG THE COASTLINE, AND IT WAS BASICALLY THREE STORIES AND A TOTAL HEIGHT LIMITATION OF 35 FEET MEASURING FROM THE FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION.

I'M CURIOUS IF SHORT OF TRANSPLANTING BACK TO THIS PROJECT, IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU HAD EVEN 12 FEET PER STORY, YOU WOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 48, NOT 60.

HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY OR GET TO 60 FEET WITH A FOUR-STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX? DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

>> IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FINISHING ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD MEASURE FROM THE LOWEST POINT OF ESTABLISHED GRADE TO THE HIGHEST POINT IN THE BUILDING. SO AS WE MOVE UP STORIES AND

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BECAUSE ONCE WE ISSUE THAT PERMIT WE HAVE NO WIGGLE ROOM TO TOLERATE ANY DEVIATION AND WHAT WOULD BE THE FINAL BUILDING ELEVATION, ESTABLISHING 60 FEET GIVES US ABOUT A FIVE FOOT COMFORT LEVEL TO GO FOR FOUR STORIES.

YOU ARE RIGHT WHEN YOU THINK CODES DO IT DIFFERENTLY.THE BEACH COMMUNITIES LOOK AT IT ESTABLISHING IT ON A STORY LEVEL. I THINK THE PONTE VEDRE CODE TAXES YOU AT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF STORIES.

60 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUEST AND IS TO ACCOUNT FOR

THE PITCH OF THE ROOF. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. UNDERSTAND AND I WILL SAY BASED ON INFORMATION YOU HAVE SUBMITTED, IT WAS HELPFUL TO SEE THE VISUAL LINE YOU DREW WITH THE TREE BUFFER PRETTY WELL PROTECTS THE VISUAL ASPECTS, EVEN THOUGH THE PITCH MAY BE AS HIGH AS 60 FEET.

I JUST WA CURIOUS. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: ONE OF THE CONCERNS ÃI HAVE THREE CONCERNS. NUMBER ONE IS SCHOOL CAPACITY.

THE FACT WE HAVE A LETTER THAT SAYS EVEN WHEN THEY BUILT FIVE NEW SCHOOLS WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THE KIDS THAT ARE THERE. THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME.

AS A CITIZEN OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY A TAXPAYER AND A COMMISSIONER. IF WE ARE GOING TO START SITE WORK IN 15 MONTHS, CAN WE NOT GET A MORE DETAILED MDP MAP TO HOLD IT TO? YOU ARE SHOWING RENDERINGS, AND THAT COULD BE MOVED. YOU ARE GOING 60, 60 FEET IT'S ONLY FOUR STORIES OF UNITS. OR COULD THAT BE INCREASED? YOU KNOW, I HAD A CONCERN OF PARKING BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR Ã A LOT OF YOUR STUDIES ARE USING MASS TRANSIT.

WE DON'T HAVE MASS TRANSIT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DUVAL COUNTY WHERE THEY HAVE MINE IS SCHOOL CAPACITY. AND A MORE DETAILED MAP OF WHERE THE APARTMENTS WILL BE. SO IT MAY HELP SOME OF THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND THEY WILL BE GUARDED THE WAY YOU ARE SAYING THEY ARE. BECAUSE TOO OFTEN, YOU COME IN AND YOU HAVE A VERY BLANK THING YOU COULD CHANGE AN ASPECT OF IT. YOU COULD BUILD ALL APARTMENTS ONCE THIS IS APPROVED. YOU COULD BUILD ALL MULTIFAMILY IF THIS IS APPROVED. SO THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD MYSELF AS MORE DETAILED MDP MAP AND THEN I HAVE CONCERNS MOST EVERY EMAIL WE HAD I HAVE CONCERN OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS AND I'VE SEEN APARTMENTS BUILT AT THREE STORIES THAT HOLD AND STAY UNDER 35 WITH MAYBE A 10 FEET FOR THE PITCH FOR THE PHYSICAL PART OF THE TOP.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER WALDRON, JUST TO TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS A LITTLE BIT.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND APPLIED FOR SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. WE HAVE A SHARED AGREEMENT READY TO GO AND ARE WAITING FOR ONE MORE STUDY ON THE MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS A COMPONENT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD LOOKS OUT. THEY LOOK AT THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. BECAUSE THAT GENERATES THEIR OPERATING MAINTENANCE ÃTHEIR OPERATING REVENUE FOR THE SCHOOLS GOING FORWARD. BUT THEY DO REQUIRE THE CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION AND THE MODEL SPIT OUT $40,029 PER UNIT AND THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A MULTIFAMILY UNIT.

>> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND. AS A TAXPAYER, WE HAVE FIVE SCHOOLS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT WILL NOT EVEN COVER THE

ALREADY APPROVED CAPACITY. >> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S AS A TAXPAYER, PARENT OR GRANDPARENT ÃMY DAUGHTER IS A TEACHER ÃI UNDERSTAND THEY WILL TAKE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AND THAT'S THEIR CALL.

WE HAVE TO AGREE WITH IT. IT'S VERY DISHEARTENING AS A COMMUNITY THAT YOU ARE THAT FAR BEHIND.

>> SPEAKER: I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT.

AS FOR THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE HAVE THIS SAME DISCUSSION AT THE PCA AND THE DIFFICULTY AND MR. MUNDY CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THIS. THEY ARE UNDER LEASE FOR A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USERS. THIS IS NOT A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE VACANT IN THE FRONT AND HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK. THEY ARE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL USERS THAT ARE UNDER LEASE AND UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE REAL USERS THAT WILL BE UP IN THE FRONT OF THE PROJECT.

WE SHOULD TRY TO SHOW THE OUT PARCELS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING

TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE >>> THERE'S P NO TARGET PLAY OR BIG BOX RETAILER IN THE SITE.

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THAT'S THE REASON FOR HAVING A LESS DETAILED SITE PLAN ALONG RACETRACK ROAD, AND IN YOUR PROCESS AND WE'VE WRITTEN INTO THE PUD THERE IS OF INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

IF I HAVE A GROCERY STORE AND BRING IT IN, I HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT PIECE OF PAPER WITH THAT BUILDING FOOTPRINT, ALL THE PARKING, ALL THE STORM WATER, ALL THE DETAIL OF THAT PLAN GOES TO TELL US STAFF, AND THEY REVIEW IT, COMPARED TO THE PUD, AND FILL IN THAT.

AS THAT GOES ALONG, YOU WILL SEE THE MASTER DEVELOP PLAN FILLED IN LIKE LITTLE PUZZLE PIECES.

ONCE THE APARTMENTS OR TOWN HOMES OR BOTH COME IN, YOU SEE THOSE SITE PLANS FILLED IN AS WELL. THEY COULD, TO YOUR POINT, BE BUILT UP TO THE CRITICAL ACCESS DRIVE. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. THE LIKELIHOOD IS THEY WILL BE SET BACK SOME FROM THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LIVE AND LANED SAY CHIME IN HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE PLANNER. I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE UP TO THAT CRITICAL ACCESS DRIVE SO THEY WANT A FRONT YARD FEEL GOING INTO THE MULTI-FAMILY.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT, BECAUSE COMMERCIAL IN ALL MIXED USE PROJECTS HAS BEEN LAGGING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THE CONCERN I HAVE IS WHEN YOU SHOW A CHART LIKE SHE JUST SHOWED THAT YOU START SITE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN 15 MONTHS.

YOU EXPECT TO HAVE COS FOR APARTMENTS AND MULTI-FAMILY BY 2022, WHICH WILL TAKE PROBABLY A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF OF CONSTRUCTION, PERIOD, TO BUILD THOSE.

YOU CAN'T SHOW ME ON A MAP WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE, OTHER THAN IN A GENERAL AREA.

>> I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. PART OF THE CONUNDRUM IS, AGAIN, FERBER, IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER, SO THEY HAVE TO BRING IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER. SO THAT KIND OF IS THE

BACKLOADED PART OF THE PROCESS. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCK. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU MR., CHAIRMAN. I RECEIVED A LOT COMMUNICATIONS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING OVER THE SAME FRONTIER THAT WE'VE COVERED HERE. I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY TRYING TO BALANCE THE LEGITIMATE NEED OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO HAVE CONCERNS AND BALANCING THAT OUT WITH THIS IDEA THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FOSTER BUSINESS, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT ECONOMIC DOWNTURN IS GOING TO COME. THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A BOARD IS TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ONE GROUP, NOT JUST ONE BUSINESS ENTITY.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT HAS AN IMPACT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO I'VE HEARD SOME -- I THINK SOME IMPORTANT CONCERNS, I THINK SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE ONES THAT AS A BOARD WE HAVE TO WEIGH HEAVILY.

MY SPECIFIC CONCERN THAT I THINK HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IS YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE PURCHASED THAT HAD A CERTAIN EXPECTATION. I THINK THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS -- I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A BUFFER AND ALL THAT. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONCERN.

GAIN, WHERE I LIVE, THEY PUT SOME APARTMENTS THERE. LET ME TELL, EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT OPPOSED IT AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE. PEOPLE HAVE MOVED ON. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AND ONES WE SHOULD ADDRESS AND BE MINDFUL OF.

THE OTHER IS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.

THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER AND SOME INDIVIDUALS REACHED OUT TO ME ON THE PRICE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, FIRST OF ALL, FERBER COMPANY HAS BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

THEY HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORDS WITH DEVELOPMENTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COME IN AND CONTRIBUTE TO URBAN SPRAWL.

THE FERBER COMPANY HAS DONE THAT AND THEY'RE WILLING TO LISTEN TO CONCERNS AND THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS. I WANT TO DIG INTO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

THESE TERMS HAVE DIFFERENT MEANING TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM.

WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT NEED OUT RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU GO OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE PRICE POINT? I UNDERSTAND THE FERBER GROUP IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER, AND MY ASSUMPTION IS AND I BELIEVE THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDER THAT WILL COME IN AT SOME POINT AND BUILD THESE. WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED PRICE POINT? THERE WAS SOME BRIEFING ON THAT. CAN WE GO OVER THAT AGAIN SO

WE'RE CLEAR WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT? >> SPEAKER: IN OUR DISCUSSION FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, WE WENT INTO DETAIL BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE FFIRST ENTITLEMENT BUCKET CAME IN. ON THE SURFACE ALONE BY PROVIDING A DIFFERENT UNIT TYPE

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EVERYBODY IS BURNED OUT ON THE TERM OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND TRYING TO ALIGN IT.

THIS IS NOT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. THIS IS ON ONE END OF THE SPECTRUM.

IT'S A DIFFERENT HOUSING PRODUCT AND PROVIDED AT MARKET RATES WHAT THE RENTS BEAR OUT FOR APARTMENTS. BY PROVIDING THAT, YOU GET INTO THE PROFESSIONAL AND PARAPROFESSIONAL SEGMENT THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO PROVIDE THE DOWN PAYMENT OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, WHICH WE SEE THE MOST OF IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

OUR MARKET RATES WERE ABOUT 1200 UNIT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE USED FOR OUR COMPS WITH OUR SCHOOL MITIGATION, OUR COMPARABLESES IN THE AREA THAT'S THE NEWEST APARTMENT BUILDING COMPLEX INTO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AREA. I CAN GRAB MY SPREADSHEET FROM THE AMENDMENT.

>> SPEAKER: THE IDEA IS OBVIOUSLY ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE SAINT AUGUSTINE RECORD ABOUT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AROUND ST. AUGUSTINE AND HOW THEY FIM UP QUICKLY BECAUSE THERE'S A CRITICAL NEED FOR UNITS. THEY'RE GETTING VERY SUBSTANTIAL RENTS.

YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE UNTIL THERE'S A CRITICAL MASS, AND THE RENTS WILL COME DOWN WITH MORE AVAILABILITY. I THINK RIGHT NOW THE SUPPLY IS SO LOW THE RENTS ARE HIGHER. PERHAPS AS THE SUPPLY GETS A LITTLE HIGHER, THE RENTS WILL

STABILIZE SOME AND NOT BE AS HIGH AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, I CANNOT HAVE AN INTERACTION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OR WITH OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. I WAS SPEAKING TO MY COUNTERPART ON THE SCHOOL BOARD WHO REITERATED, AGAIN, THAT WEIGH NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB IN THIS AREA ADDRESSING WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE'VE HAD THE SHERIFF. WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF OF POLICE FROM ST. AUGUSTINE SAYING THEIR OFFICERS CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. I WAS A PROSECUTOR WITH 40,000 A YEAR WITH EXTREME STUDENT DEBT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE AS WELL. MILITARY MEMBERS WORK ON THE MILITARY BASES HERE. SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.

THERE'S A BALANCE TO THAT, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE AND INVESTED HERE AND HAVE KIDS, AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT BALANCE.

UNFORTUNATELY, NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE HAPPY. NOT EVERY DECISION HAS EVERYBODY THRILLED. IF THIS JOB WAS EASY, LEVERYBOD WOULD DO IT.

THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE. I WANT TO GO TO WHAT COMMISSIONER WALDRON SAID, WITH THE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY IS A CONCERN. THAT PROBLEM WAS CREATED LONG BEFORE WE WERE SITTING HERE TODAY. THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAS HAPPENED IN TALLAHASSEE AND CONTINUES. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TRYING TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT,

BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, I HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT SO I WANTED TO CONFER WITH OUR CLIENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL SHOW WELL HERE, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF SHINY. WHAT WE -- LET ME MOVE THIS. OKAY.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, AGAIN -- NOT AGAIN FOR YOU WOULD BE THAT THE COMMERCIAL HEIGHT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 40 FEET, THAT RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THIS AREA -- THAT WOULD BE NORTH OF THE BLACK LINE, WOULD BE LIMITED TO 50 FEET. EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THE BLACK

LINE WOULD BE LIMITED TO 60 FEET. >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHAT WOULD THAT EQUATE TO AS FAR AS FOUR STORIES?

THREE STORIES? >> SPEAKER: PROBABLY STILL FOUR-STORY IN THE BULK, AGAIN, OF THIS RESIDENTIAL, BUT AT LEAST YOU HAVE A LARGER STEP-BACK OF 450 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO, AGAIN, MISS HAGEN KNOWS THE DIMENSIONS OF THE RACETRACK ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY BETTER THAN I. YOU HAVE A 450-FOOT DISTANCE BEFORE YOU HAVE A 60-FOOT TALL

BUILDING AT THE MAP. >> SPEAKER: EITHER THE BUILDINGS HERE WOULD BE REDUCED AT 50 FEET TO PROVIDE THAT 10-FOOT DIFFERENTIAL SET BACK FROM THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND A MAXIMUM OF 40 AT OUR ACCESS DRIVE, OR THIS HAS THE EFFECT OF PROVIDING A GREATER SEPARATION.

SO WHEN YOU'RE DISCUSSING IF THERE'S COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND THEN ADJACENT TO MULTI-FAMILY, THERE WOULD BE GREEN SPACE OR PARK SPACE OR SOME OTHER USE IF THE BUILDING ITSELF ARCHITECTURALLY COULDN'T KNIT IN THE AREA. THIS BAND OF GREEN IS 50.

YOU CAN IMAGINE 40 FEET, 50 AND THEN GOING INTO 60 AND THAT AREA WITHIN THAT THAT'S REALLY

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WOULD BE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THE ONLY THING I'M CONFUSED, ULTIMATE MULTI-FAMILY THAT'S 35 FEET. THE APARTMENTS ARE 60.

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> SO YOU'LL SHRINK SOME OF THE APARTMENTS TO BE 50 FEET?

>> YES, THOSE ARE CAPPED AS HOW MANY STORIES THOSE M MULTI-FAMI APARTMENT UNITS.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE TOWN HOME IS 35 FEET. >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M TRADITIONALLY CRITICAL OF OF ENHANCEMENT INTENSITY ESPECIALLY ON THE ECONOMIC STRAIN IT HAS ON EXISTS RESIDENTS AND LIKEWISE THE TIMING OF THE CRITICAL -- THE TIMING OF THOSE IS VERY CRITICAL FOR OUR BOARD TO CONSIDER AS WELL, ESPECIALLY IN INFRASTRUCTURAL ENHANCEMENTS AND IN SCHOOLS, TOO.

HOWEVER, AND DAIR I'LL SAY THIS. SCHOOL CAPACITY HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OF MINE AND CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE. 14,029 IS VERY, VERY STOUT. I JUST -- I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A FITTING AREA. IT IS COMPATIBLE, AND IT'S INFILL.

IT FITS AT A VERY -- I'D SAY A VERY BUSY AND GROWING INTERSECTION IN AN URBANIZING AREA. I'LL SAY THIS. JACKSONVILLE ISN'T CAL FORD ANYMORE, EITHER. YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE CHANGED, AND THINGS ARE CHANGING IN THIS AREA. DURBIN NATIONAL'S PRODUCT JUST A SHORT PLACE DOWN THE ROAD HAS CHANGED THE FEEL AND LOOK OF THIS ROAD VERY DRAMATICALLY. I BELIEVE WHETHER IT COMES TO AFFORDABILITY, THERE NEEDS TO BE EFFICIENCY. EFFICIENCY IS GARNERED BY GREATER DENSITY. WHEN WE HAVE A MIXED USE PROPERTY DESIGNATED THAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN ADAPTED TO THAT THE DENSITY NEEDS TO BE ENHANCED TO PROVIDE FOR THE EFFICIENEFFI.

THAT LEADS TO LOWER COST AND MORE AFFORDABILITY. THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT.

I LIKE THE CUSTOMER FRONTAGE. I LIKE THAT ESPECIALLY AS A PROPONENT FOR BUSINESS.

I THINK IT BRINGS IN TREMENDOUS TAX BASE AND REMITTANCE OF SALES TAX, ET CETERA.

I APPRECIATE THAT PART OF IT, AND I THINK IT'S FITTING FOR RACE TRACH -- RACETRACK ROAD.

THE RESIDENTIAL, I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON ON THIS AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO IT. THE MDP WOULD REDUCE A LOT OF ANXIETY THAT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS -- I SAY ADJOINING.

THE NEAR PROPERTY OWNERS, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN SEE ON THERE THAT A TOWN HOME IS 35 FEET ON THE PERIMETER VERSUS AN APARTMENT THAT IS MORE TOWARDS THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY WOULD REDUCE THE ANXIETY. I DON'T SEE THAT HERE.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT. I DON'T THINK WE WILL SEE THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF JUST EVEN THE EXPERTISE AND DESIRE TO DEVELOP THIS BY THE FERBER COMPANY.

YOU WANT THAT EXPANSIVE ABILITY TO ADAPT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD REDUCE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE HAD IF IT WERE PUT MORE TOWARDS THE INTERIOR. HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND, TOO, THE HIGHER YOU GO UP, THE MORE EFFICIENT IS. EVERY ONE OF US IN JACKSONVILLE SEE THAT'S THE NORM THESE DAYS, HIGHER, MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, MULTI-FAMILY HOMES.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THIS AT DURBIN NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT HERE. I THINK THAT IT'S FITTING. THEREFORE, I WILL VOTE TO APPROVE, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR ME, HE ISESPECIALLY WHEN ITS TO DENSITY, BUT I THINK IT'S A

FITTING PROJECT. >> JAMES JOHNS: COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> HENRY DEAN: I'LL CLOSE BY GOING BACK TO THE HEIGHT ISSUE COMMISSIONER SMITH MENTIONED.

THE SINGLE THING THAT CONCERNED ME WITH THE ENTIRE APPLICATION WAS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED.

BUT WITH ADJUSTMENT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED, SO YOU NOW REALLY HAVE A STAIR STEP, 40 FEET, 50 FEET, 60 FEET, THEN IT GIVES THAT SORT OF VISUAL BUFFER THAT I THINK SHOULD SATISFY

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SO I, THEREFORE, AM IN A POSITION TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A PROFFER, AND I'VE KIND OF WRITTEN DOWN WHAT THEY'VE STATED. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGES TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS ON THE FLOOR AT THE HEARING, SO JUST IN PREPARATION I ACTUALLY HAVE DRAFTED UP AN ORDINANCE WITH A DIFFERENT SECTION TO TRY AND ENCAPTURE WHAT THE BOARD IS DECIDING.

IT'S ANOTHER SECTION IN THE PUD ORDINANCE ITSELF THAT SAYS NOTWITHSTANDING, ANY PROVISIONS IN EXHIBITS B OR C TO THE CONTRARY, THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO DEVELOPMENT REMEMBER AGREED ON DURING THE PROPERLY NOTICED HEARING. ONE, APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTAL DEVELOPMENT LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 450 FEET FROM RACETRACK ROAD IS LIMITED TO A BUILDING HITE OF 50 FEET. TWO, APARTMENT RESIDENTIAL TWOMENT GREATER THAN 450 FEET FROM RACETRACK ROAD IS LIMITED TO A HEIGHT OF 60 FEET. I'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN.

I CAN PRINT IT OUT IF YOU GIVE ME TWO MINUTES. I CAN WALK DOWN AND WALK THAT

LANGUAGE OVER DOWN OVER HERE SO THE BOARD CAN SEE IT. >> I THINK WE CAN AGREE TO IT.

I'LL REVIEW IT BEFORE I SIGN IT ON THURSDAY. >> OKAY.

>> YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THERE. THAT'S WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> YES, THERE IT IS. HE'S GOT MUCH BETTER HANDWRITING THAN MOST OF US, BUT WE WILL AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE GRAPHIC.

>> CORRECT. A. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. >> NO OTHER DISCUSSION, THEN I'LL READY TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2 201966 PUD DURBIN CREEK CROSSING BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT FOR APPROVAL AND THE PROFFER MODIFIED IN TODAY'S MEETING.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH THE MODIFICATIONS. PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

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>> JAMES JOHNS: WE'RE GOING THE HEAR THE NEXT ITEM AND BREAK FOR LUNCH.

IF ANYBODY IS HERE, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE NEXT ITEM AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH.

>> MR. CHAIR, ITEM NUMBER 5 IS THE APPEAL FOR AGGREGATES. IF YOU HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS OR MADE ON-SITE VISITS, NOW IS THE TIME TO DISCLOSE THE COMMUNICATIONS AND WHO THE COMMUNICATIONS WERE MADE WITH. ADDITIONALLY, YOU ARE PROVIDED WITH A PUBLIC HEARING TEMPLATE STAFF. I'LL BE PRESENTING THE ITEM, EXPLAINING THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY'S DECISION FOR TEN MINUTES, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE APPELLANT CASE IN CHIEF FOR 15 MINUTES. THEN THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT FOR 15 MINUTES. THAT'S COASTAL AGGREGATES REPRESENTED BY MRS. SMITH.

THEN WE GO INTO PUB -- PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THREE MINUTES FOR INDIVIDUALS.

REBUTTAL STAFF. AS AN OPTION THE AM APPLICANTS AND APPEALEE, NO INFORMATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED. IF THERE IS NEW INFORMATION, THE CHAIR HAS TO ALLOW A RESPONSE.

IF THE BOARD HAS THAT, I WILL GO OVER THERE. THANK YOU.

>> JAMES JOHNS: OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> HENRY DEAN: I MET WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR COASTAL AGGREGATES, ELLEN AND AVERY SMITH AND HAD A CONVERSATION ALSO WITH JOHN BROWNING, A PROPONENT OF THIS APPLICATION WITH RESPECT TO TO THE APPLICANTS APPELLANTS FEELING THE APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ATTORNEY ASHLEY RAVENSKROFT FROM JACKSONVILLE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.

THAT'S IT. >> JAMES JOHNS: COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>> JEB SMITH: I HAVE DRIVEN OUT NOT TO THIS EXACT SITE, BUT I'VE DRIVEN DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION OF CANAL NUMBER 14 AND 17 AT LATE AS SUNDAY. I HAVE MET RECENTLY WITH ELLEN AND AVERY SMITH, T.J. SMITH, PAL LOW AND CYNTHIA MAY AS OF SEPTEMBER 26TH AT 11:00 A.M.

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WE DISCUSSED STANDING AND THE POSITION OF STANDING AT THE TIME.

WE DISCUSSED ALSO RIGHTS TO RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE DISCUSSED -- I THINK I'LL COVER THAT. I HAVE ME WITH T.J. SMITH FRIDAY, MARCH 24TH, 2017 AT 8:00 A.M. WE MET TO DISCUSS THE PERMITTING THAT THEY HAD BY ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, THE PARTNERS INVOLVED IN THE COMPANY.

WE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL HAUL ROUTES FOR THE PIT ITSELF AND ALSO NAVIGATING THE COUNTY PROCESS. I MET WITH T.J. SMITH AGAIN ON MAY 5, 2017.

THAT IS OVER TWO YEARS AGO, AND AGAIN AT 8:00 A.M. DISCUSSING VERY SIMILAR MODIFICATIONS TO THE POTENTIAL HAUL ROUTE. I'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH T.J. SUBSEQUENTLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE TIMES ON THE PHONE. I DO NOT HAVE DATES FOR THOSE. IT WAS SOME OF THE REASONS FOR DECISIONS THEY MADE ABOUT HAUL ROUTES AND SOME OF HIS CONCERNS. I BELIEVE -- I HAVE ONE MORE.

I SPOKE ON SEPTEMBER 26 AT 3:55 P.M. WITH ASHLEY RAVEN KROFT VIA PHONE.

WE DISCUSSED HER CLIENT'S CONCERNS IN REGARD TO SAFETY, MAINTENANCE INEQUITIES AND DISRUPTION OF BUSINESS ALSO WITH UNCERTAINTY OF ACCESS ROUTE BEING LEGAL.

WE DISCUSSED MORE SPECIFICAL EACH OF THOSE AREAS OF CONCERN, ESPECIALLY REGARDING SAFETY, TRUCKS COMING OUT OF THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF CANAL NUMBER 14.

HER CONCERN ABOUT THERE BEING NO SURVEY FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

MAINTENANCE OF WOOD LAWN AND MARY FIELD LANE. THEY FELT THAT WAS INEQUITIABLE IN REGARD TO THEIR CONTRIBUTION. NEN ALSO SHE BROUGHT UP NO FORMAL POSITION BY THE HASTINGS DISTRICT ON ACCESS IN REGARD TO THE HAUL ROUTES AND UNCERTAINTY OF ACCESS.

I ASKED HER A QUESTION ABOUT MR. PERCARO'S STATEMENTS ON THE BRIEFING PAPERS ON THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THAT WILL BE DOCUMENTED. THAT WILL CONCLUDE ALL MY

DISCLOSURE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> JAMES JOHNS: COMMISSIONER JOHNS?

>> I MET. I'LL JUST REARRANGE MY DOCUMENTS.

SEPTEMBER 12. WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROCESS OF THIS PERMIT AND HOW IT CAME BACK AND THE PERMITS FOR THE BAR PIT. WE DISCUSSED THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PARCELS PROPOSED FOR THE ROUTE AND SOME DETAILS SUCH AS THE PATH PROPOSED, THE WIDTH OF THE PATH, THE CONDITIONS OF DRAINAGE FACILITIES ALONG THE ROADWAY PATHS, THE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN ST. JOHNS AND PUTNAM COUNTIES, AND THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT THEY HAD WITH THE APPELLANT. I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL ON SEPTEMBER 26TH WITH ASHLEY RAVENSKROFT FOR THE APPELLANT WHERE WE DISCUSSED PARTIAL OWNERSHIP, PROCESS THAT WAS USED TO PERMIT THE BORROW PIT, SAFETY CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE APPELLANT, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS BY THE APPELLANT, AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THE LEGALITY OF DOCUMENTS SIGNED BY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS PROVING USE OF THE ROUTE, AND THE INEQUITIES THAT WERE EXPRESSED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROUTE BY THE CURRENT CONTRACTS VERSUS THE POTENTIAL BORROW PIT USER OF

THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAD SEVERAL INTERACTIONS, MOST RECENTLY I HAD A MEETING ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH AT APPROXIMATELY 12:00 P.M.

SPOKE WITH SMITH AND HER ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND SPOKE WITH MR. JOHN BROWNING BY PHONE. AT THAT TIME WE WENT OVER THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT AND THE GENERAL SUBSTANCE OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE PROJECT.

MOST RECENTLY I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH ATTORNEY ASHLEY RAVENS KROFT, AN ATTORNEY FROM

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PRIOR TO THESE TWO INTERACTIONS, I'VE HAD AT LEAST ONE PHONE CALL WITH MR. T.J. SMITH ABOUT THIS MATTER. WE SPOKE VERY BRIEFLY ON THE ISSUES OF WHY THEY FEEL THIS WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE COUNTY. I HAVEN'T RECEIVEED ANY OTHER

E-MAILS OR COURSE PENCE IN MY RECORD. >> SPEAKER: I HAD A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 26 AT 1:30 WITH THE SMITHS AND STAFF WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE CONCERNS.

THE ACCESS OF THE -- USING THE HASTINGS CANALS AND RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND PERMITTING.

IT WAS DISCUSSING THE PERMIT AND WHERE IT WAS ACTUALLY AT, WHERE THE SITE WAS, WHAT PART OF THE ROADWAY AND ACCESS IS IN PUTNAM COUNTY AND WHAT PART IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

ALSO I SPOKE TO MR. ASHLEY RAVENS KROFT ON MONDAY AND HAD A MEETING WITH HER.

SHE DISCUSSED SAFETY, ACCESS, THE LEGALITY OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY U USE. WE TALKED ABOUT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE LETTER OF USE, AND THEN I SPOKE WITH MR. BROWNING. I DIDN'T GET THE DATE.

THIS WAS REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO COME TO A BOARD. IT'S PROBABLY BEEN SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO. I SPOKE WITH MR. BROWNING ON THE PHONE JUST TO DISCUSS THE -- SOME OF THE ISSUES THEY WERE HAVING AT THE TIME. I ALSO SPOKE WITH FRED MILE MILES ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, SAME THING ON THE PROJECT.

I HAD A VOICE CONVERSATION WITH MISS ELLEN AVERY SMITH. SHE'D HAVE TO CORRECT ME.

FOUR TO SIX MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE PROCESS GOING ON AND I THINK I HAD A PHONE SQUALL WITH T.J.

SMITH AT ONE TIME DURING THAT SAME PERIOD, AND THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY, SO I PRESENT THIS TO EXPLAIN THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY DECISION, BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY THIS IS AN APPEAL OF THE DECISION BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY ON JUNE 20, 2019 PRAPPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON 98067 BARREL FACTORY ROAD IN HASTINGS. THAT'S THE MAILING ADDRESS. WE'LL GET TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION IN A MOMENT. THIS IS THE AGENCY'S DECISION THAT YOU ARE REVIEWING, THIS IS NOT STAFF'S DECISION. STAFF IS KIND OF EXPLAINING WHAT YOUR APPOINTED BOARD HAS DETERMINED AND FOUND, AND THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE APPEAL. SO THIS IS THE BACKGROUND.

THIS IS AN APPEAL FROM THE COASTAL AGGREGATE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, SO THAT'S THE PERMIT THAT WAS GRANTED. THE INITIAL APPEAL WAS FILED BY EAST COAST AGGREGATES LLC WHO PRETTIES THE MINE ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S PROPOSED HAUL STARTS AT 207 IN PULL NAM COUNTY DLU WILDWOOD LANE AND THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO CANAL 17 TO HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 14. THE SUBJECT BORROW PIT IS LOCATED NEXT TO TWO EXISTING BORROW PILLS. THESE KIND OF NOMENCLATURES ARE WHAT WE USE FOR PERMITTING. SO EAST COAST BORROW PIT IS ON THE PUTNAM COUNTY SIDE, AND WE PERMITTED THE WEST WIND BORROW PITS. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE KNOWN UNDER OUR FILING FILES, BUT THEY ARE OPERATED AT THAT TIME OF THE APPEAL BY EAST COAST AGGREGATED.

HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT 17 AND ACTUALLY MERRIFIELD LANE, WHICH IS A PREVENT EASEMENT, IS THE HAUL ROUTE FOR BOTH AJIS SENT PITS. THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP.

THE AREA IN YELLOW IS UNDER APPEAL. THE AREA IN BLUE IS WHAT IS WEST WIND BORROW PIT. THE AREA IN YELLOW IS EAST COAST BORROW PIT.

JUST CONSIDER ALL OF THAT AS KIND OF THE SAME OPERATION. THEY WERE PURCHASED BY THE SAME OWNER, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE OPERATED BY AT THAT TIME HE APPEAL WAS I WILL FI EAST COAST AGGREGATES. THE PURPLE/PINK AREA ARE THE DISTRICT CANALS RIGHT-OF-WAYING THE DISTRICT OWNS. THIS IS AN APPEAL OF THE SUMMARY BY EAST COAST GRATHS.

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IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT IS WEST WIND BORROW PIT AND HAS THE ADDRESS OF 358 MARYSVILLE LANE.

IT WAS OWNED BY COUNTY LINE ECONVENE, AND AT THAT TIME OF THE APPROVAL OF THE BORROW PIT AND THE FILING OF THIS APPEAL ON SEPTEMBER 6, 2019, BECAUSE THAT'S THE RECORDED DATE OF THE DEED AND YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL TERMS, THE MINE IS NOW OWNED BY S & R MATERIALS, LLC, WHICH IS A TENNESSEE LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY. THE APPLICANT, I'LL EAST COAST GRATHS AND THESE INTERCHANGEABLY. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M INVOLVED IN THIS. THEY ALLEGE THAT THE MRAPING AND ZONING AGENCY E-R-R-E-D-USING THE CANAL AS A HAUL ROUTE RELYING ON A LETTER FROM THE CHAIRMAN RATHER THAN A FULL DECISION. THE APPLICANT ALLEGES THE APPROVAL DOES NOT ADHERE OR MEET SECTION 2.0301A E-3. IT'S A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT APPLIES TO ALL SPECIAL USES.

THE FLOW TO THE PROPOSED WON'T AFFECT INGRESS AND EGRESS ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

OBJECT THE PROJECTED SPECIAL USE OR POEZ A POTENTIAL DANGER TO THE SAFETY OF TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLES. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO IMPACT THE IMPACT OF THE ADDITIONAL 50 TO 60 LOADS PER DAY THAT WE WOULD HAVE UP THE ROADS.

SO IT WOULD RESULT IN AN ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE COST IN EAST COAST AGGREGATES.

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE INDICATING THE INITIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL IMPACT THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS, EMPLOYEES AND TRFK AND OTHER EQUIPMENT MOVING THROUGH EAST COAST AGGREGATE.

MINE AND INTO THE COASTAL AGGREGATES MIND WHICH CAN HAVE HEALTH ABLTH IMPLICATIONS.

EAST COAST SAYS IT ACCOUNTS FOR THESE ISSUING INNING IN GRANTING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THAT'S A PARAPHRASE. USHGD REFER TO THE INUTED NARRATIVE AND ARGUMENT BY THE APPLICANT. THIS OFFICE'S REVIEW OF THE APPEALS AND OUR ADVISE TO THE COURT IS THESE ARE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS. IT'S WHERE THE BOARD MAY REWEIGH ANY EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND MAY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT NEW EVIDENCE. WE HAVE INTRODUCED THE MEETING MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND DOANING AGO AND PROVIDED AI DIRECT LINK SO YOU COULD HAVE WATCHED THE ENTIRE HEARING FORMAT. SO THE FUNDAMENTAL DECISION IS THAT THIS BOARD MAY OVERTURN THE PZA DECISION OR UPHOLD IT OR MAKE AN IMPORTANT ACTION OF PROVING WE'RE DENYING THIS SPECIAL USE. THEY MAYBE FILED BY AN ADVERSELY PERSON AS 2009ED.

SINCE THEY DO NOT OWN PROPERTY AT THE TIME OF THE APPEAL, THEY HAD TO DEMONSTRATE THEY WERE INVERSELY AFFECTED PERSON AND THEY'RE A LESSER OPERATOR OF THE MINE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, MY OFFICE HAD TWO OPEN COMMENTS. AS OF YESTERDAY I DID PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATED MEMORANDUM AND RED LINE KIND OF OUTLINING WHAT THE APPELLANT PROVIDED. THEY HAVE AN EXISTING LEASE THAT THEY THEN ASSIGN TO SR -- SOUTHERN ROCK MANUFACTURERS LLC BACK IN JULY.

CHECKING THE FILING DOCUMENTS FROM TENNESSEE, THAT SOUTHERN ROCK MANUFACTURER CHANGED IT'S NAME TO SRM MATERIALS LLC. SRM MATERIALS LLC ALSO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, SO THE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE BEEN PRESENTED, IT APPEARS THAT THE OWNER AND OPERATOR IS SRM MATERIALS, LLC.

WHAT YOU HAVE RECENTLY BEEN PROVIDED IS KIND OF AN OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION AND REVISED APPEAL FORM FROM SR MATERIALS LLC FOR ASHLEY RAVENSCROFT TO REPRESENT THEM.

NOW, THE BOARD MAY FIND THAT THE ORIGINAL APPELLANT WASN'T ADVERSELY AFFECTED THE AT THE TIME, AND BASED ON THE MATERIALS AND BASED ON THE MATERIALS YOU CAN ALSO FIND THAT THE APPEAL RIGHT WERE PRESERVED AND TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE NEW OWNER AND OPERATOR.

IF YOU DO MAKE THAT DECISION THAT THERE IS THAT KIND OF PRESERVATION, THEN YOU SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER IT WAS PRESENTED IN THE UNDERLYING PZA HEARING OR THIS HEARING TO MEET THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE REQUEST. IT'S ESSENTIALLY A DO-OVER OF

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IT'S APPROXIMATELY 39 ACRES WITH 30 ACRES FOR A BORROW PIT. FUTURE LAND USE IS AI, AND ZONING IT OPEN RURAL AND ALLOWS A SPECIAL USE. IT'S PROPOSED TO PROVIDE MATERIALS FOR OFF-SITE ROAD CONSTRUCTION. MAXIMUM 50, 60 TRUCKS PER DAY.

THE SAMENT IS THEY'RE GOING TO AVERAGE 100 TO 125 TRUCKS PER DAY.

THE PROPOSE THE HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8:00 A.M. TO 6:00 P.M.

IT WAS FIRST HERED IN 2007 AFTER DISCUSSION OF ACCESS ISSUES, WE DECIDED TO CONTINUE WITH A NEW HAUL ROUTE. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ONE AND THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED HAUL RATE. INSTEAD OF GOING TO CANAL 13 AND UP 17, THEY GO DIRECTLY NOVRT TO CANAL 14, UP 17 AND THROUGH PUTNAM COUNTY, THROUGH WILDWOOD LANE TO 207.

THE PZA HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND LOOKED AT THE LETTERS PROVIDED AND NOTED THAT PUTNAM COUNTY THROUGH THEIR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY PROVIDED PERMISSION TO THAT IN PUTNAM COUNTY. THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A CHAIRMAN FROM THE HASTINGS WATER DISTRICT THAT SAYS TO ALLOW THE USE HASTINGS TO DRAIN DISTRICT CANALS 17, 13, AND 14.

THIS OFFICE REQUEST REQUESTED SOMETHING MORE FORMAL THAT WIPES ACROSS PERMANENTLY FROM THE DISTRICT. AFTER MANY DISCUSSIONS, THEY COULDN'T -- BECAUSE OF QUORUM ISSUES, BUT FUNDAMENTALLY WE PRESGLUM AND KEFR TO A FELLOW GOVERNMENT AGENCY OVER THE USE, CONSTRUCTION AND IMPROVEMENTS OF RIGHT-OF-WAYS. ST. JOHNS COUNTY NAZ NO JURISDICTION OVER PUTNAM COUNTY AND DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION AT THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANALS. IT'S THEIR RIGHT OF WAY AND LAND AND THEY OWN IT.

IT WAS UPON LEGAL ACCESS, SO IF THEY RECEIVE A LETTER REVOKING THE AUTHORIZATIONS, THEN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MUST CEASE. SO DISCUSSIONS? THE PERMIT IS KIND OF USING THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DITCH FOR THE BODY I WAS. ANY USE IS NOT GRANED OR AUTHORIZED BY GRAND OR AUTHORIZED BY THE PERMIT. WHILE THEY HAD THAT PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL, THE PZA REJECTED THAT AND APPROVED THE SPECIAL USE.

STAFF RECEIVED A LETTER FROM COASTAL AGGREGATES GENERALLY AGREE TO CONSTRUCT OR MAINTAIN IT IN THE DISTRICT RIGHT-OF-WAY. HERE'S YOUR CHOICES. YOU CAN AAMOVE THE APPEAL OVERTURNING THE DECISION AND DENY THE APPEAL AND UPHOLD IT. YOU CAN DENY AND COME UP WITH FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS. SINCE I'M AN ATTORNEY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO TECHNICAL IN PLANNING. .

>> THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

ONE SECOND. GO AHEAD. MR. WALKER.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS COME UP AS FAR AS NOT THIS ISSUE BUT ISSUES WE HAD -- YOU RECOMMENDED TO US AS A COUNTY ATTORNEY WE LOOK AT. DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY WITH

THAT? >> YOU DID. AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED HEARING FORMAT, THERE IS A PROVISION, CROSS-EXAMINATION OF ANY PARTY OR WITNESS BUT ALSO SWEARING IN. I WOULD ASK AT THIS TIME FOR BOTH COUNSEL RAVENSCROFT AND COUNCIL SMITH, WOULD EACH OF YOU LIKE TO HAVE ANY FACT WITNESSES SWORN? MISS SMITH, IF YOU COULD APPROACH. I WOULD ALSO SAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, I THINK THE COUNCIL CAN REQUEST THAT.

THE BOARD ITSELF COULD REQUEST THAT IF IT DEEMS TO. IF I COULD ASK MISS RAVENSCROFT

OR MISS SMITH, ARE YOU GOING TO CALL FACT WITNESSES? >> POSSIBLY DURING REBUTTAL WE MIGHT CALL MR. JOHN WILLIAMS, THE MANAGER OF THE MINE. HE'S PRESIDENT AND HE CAN BE

SWORN IF NEED BE. >> YES, SIR. WE HAVE SEVERAL WITNESSES WHO --

>> YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THROUGH THE CHAIR, I THINK IF EACH POTENTIAL WITNESS WOULD

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>> OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD WE'VE GOT SEVERAL GENTLEMEN. I'D LIKE TO ALL COME UP IN CASE I NEED TO CALL YOU TO BE SWORN

PLEASE INCLUDING MR. COUNTS. >> IF YOU WOULD ALL SORT OF STAND UP IN A GROUP AND I'LL HAVE YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR YOU IN. FOR EACH OF YOU SWORN, I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU EACH PUT YOUR NAME INTO THE RECORD THROUGH THE MICROPHONE.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE

TRUTH IN. >> YES. >> EACH ONE OF YOU STEP UP AND

STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE RECORD. >> JOHN WILLIAMS. >> JOHN MCCLOSE.

>> TADD DURR RANCE. >> T.J. SMITH. >> JOHN BROWNING.

>> JOHNNY KEMPS. >> THANK YOU, COUNSEL AND THROUGH THE CHAIR.

NOW, OF COURSE, AS EACH -- IF A WITNESS OR SPEAKER DOES COME UP DURING THE HEARING, OF COURSE, THEY CAN STATE THEIR NAME AND GIVE THEIR ADDRESS AT THE TIME. EACH OF THE WITNESSES ARE SWORN.

MR. CHAIR. >> BEFORE WE GIP, I WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION IN REGARDS TO THE NAMING OF THE BIDS. THE EAST COAST PIT AND WEST ONE PIT ARE THE SAME. THE PUTNAM COUNTY PIT WAS ACTUALLY PREVIOUSLY BIG HORSE ABBING GRATES. IT IS CORRECT THAT BOTH PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN PURCHASED BY SRM MATERIALS, WHO IS THE APPELLANT NOW IN THIS CASE. BOTH MINES ARE BEING OPERATED BY

APPELLANT. >> WE'RE HERE FOR AN AUTO PEEL OF THE FINAL DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF THE ESSENTIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE COASTAL AGGREGATES BORROW PIT. THE APPEAL WAS TIMELY FILED ON JULY 22ND, AND WE REQUEST THAT THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY BE OVERTURNED AND THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BE DENIED. THE RIGHT TO AN APPEAL IS SET FORTH IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IN ANY ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY MAY APPEAL A FINAL DECISION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AN ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY IS DEFINED IN SECTION 9.07.01 AS A PERSON IS SUFFERING OR WILL SUFFER AN ADVERSE EFFECT.

THIS INCLUDES INTERESTS OF HEALTH AND SAFETY AND TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES.

ON THE STANDING ISSUE, THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT WAS EAST COAST AGGREGATED LLC, THEY WERE THE OPERATOR AND PERMIT HOLDER OF THE MINE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AT ISSUE.

AS SUCH IT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

SRM MATERIALS IS THE SUCCESSOR IN INTEREST TO EAST COAST AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACT THAT YOU RECEIVED. THERE WAS AN ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION OF THE LEASE.

THEY HAVE ASSUMED OPERATIONS OF THE MINE AND THEY HAVE NOW OWNED THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THEY WILL SUFFER ADVERSE AFFECTS DUE TO THE SAFETY ISSUES, BUSINESS INTERFERENCE, AND INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT WILL OCCUR AS A RESULT OF THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

THIS WAS ALSO SHOWN EARLIER, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HAUL ROUTE PROPOSED, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE. IT'S THE HAUL ROUTE ITSELF. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CURRENT MINE IS TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPOSED BORROW PIT. ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT BOTH SIDES OF CANAL 14 ARE OWNED AND PERMITS BY SRM MATERIALS AND WILL BE MINED, TO THAT CANAL RUNS BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTIES. AND THIS IS THEIR SITE MRAVENLT I HAVE RELIGHTED CANAL 14 IN BLUE. IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO SEE.

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PROPERTY. >> INTERPRETER: SO TO THE MEET OF WHY WE'RE HERE, THE FIRST ERROR IS WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROPER SHOWING OF LEGAL ACCESS FOR USE OF THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL. I KNOW SOME HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT BOARD MEETING MINUTES WERE MENTIONED AND WERE PUT INTO THE STAFF PACKET FROM JUNE 8TH, 2017.

IF YOU READ CLOSELY THESE MINUTES, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THE USE OF 13 TO CANAL 17.

DID NOT REQUEST USE OF CANAL 14 OR 17 AND WAS NOT GRANTED THE PERMISSIONS SOO THEY'RE NOT RELEVANT. THEY DO NOT PROVIDE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE USE OF CANALS 14 AND 17. MY CLIENT ALSO FEELS LIKE THE LETTER FROM THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CHAIRMAN IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO GRANT LEGAL ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY.

IF YOU READ THE LETTER, IT REALLY JUST STATES THE WAY THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS HAVE BEEN USED IN THE PAST. IT'S BEEN USED BY LANDOWNERS TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY IN THE P PAST, AND THERE ARE NO AGREEMENTS OF RECORD.

THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMALS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND WHAT'S ASKED FOR HERE. IT'S NOT JUST A FARMER TRYING TO ACCESS HIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC USING THE CANAL TO ACCESS A BUSINESS.

THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE ALONG THESE CANALS. THERE'S BEEN NO FORMAL ACTION FOR VOTE BY THE BOARD IN REGARD TO THE USE OF CANALS 14 AND 17, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT THIS ISSUE IS STILL BEING DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD. IT WAS TAKEN UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND IS SCHEDULED TO BE TAKEN UP AGAIN AT THE UPCOMING MEETING.

IF ANYTHING, THE MINUTES THAT WERE PROVIDED JUST SERVED TO REINFORCE THIS.

THAT THE LETTER IS NOT PROPER AUTHOR AUTHORIZATION.

IT SHOWS THAT THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT HAS CONSIDERED SUCH ISSUES BEFORE AND HAS VOTED AS A BOARD. THEY HAVE FAILED TO DO SO IN THIS INSTANCE IN REGARDS TO CANAL 14 AND 17. SO WE DO NOT FEEL THAT THE PERMITS SHOULD BE GRANTED WHILE ACCESS ISSUES REMAIN UNRESOLVED. ISSUE NUMBER TWO IS IN REGARDS TO SAFETY CONCERNS.

WE HAVE THE COLD UP HERE THAT YOU READ BEFORE. IT SAYS THAT TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE SPECIAL USE, AND IT'S ACCESS AND FLOW SHALL NOT POSE A POTENTIAL DANGER TO THE SAFETY OF TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLISTS. AND IN GRGRANTING A SPECIAL USE THEY MUST ALSO CONSIDER THE LOCATION OF ACCESS DRIVES AND TRAFFIC GENERATION.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S HARD TO SEE. HERE IS CANAL 14.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR WHAT WAS EAST COAST AGGREGATES. THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THEIR PERMIT, AND THEIR PERMIT ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH MEANS THAT EMPLOYEES, HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND HAUL TRUCKS WILL BE MOVING BETWEEN THESE PROPERTIES. AND IN GRANTING OR ALLOWING COASTAL AGGREGATES TO COME ALONG CANAL 14 CREATES A CROSS-TRAFFIC ISSUE.

THERE'S LARGE TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT THAT TRAVEL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH NO TRAFFIC CONTROLS IN PLACE. MY CLIENT, SR MATERIALS, CAN AND DOES EXERT CONTROL OVER ITS EMPLOYEES AND EQUIPMENT AND EVEN TRUCK OPERATORS THAT ARE IN ITS MINE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO ALONG CANAL 14.

THIS POSES A POTENTIAL DANGER TO EMPLOYEES, EQUIPMENT OPERATORS AND TRUCK DRIVERS AND INTERFERES WITH MY CLIENT'S ABILITY TO SAFELY OPERATE ITS BUSINESS. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE -- I'LL GO BACK. IT ONLY REQUIRES SHOWING OF A POTENTIAL DANGER. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SAFETY STUDY OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRUCKS GOING ALONG AN EASEMENT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRACKS TRAVELING BETWEEN PROPERTIES WITH NO ONE THERE TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AND IT CREATES A SAFETY CONCERN.

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YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST A WOODED DITCH. HERE IS TRAVELING ALONSIDE THE CANAL. THIS IS A 30-FOOT PIECE OF THE PROPERTY WITH A CANAL ON IT.

I'M IN THE REGULAR TRUCK. IT'S A VERY TIGHT SQUEEZE. SO I THINK THE LOCATION OF THIS ACCESS DRIVE WAS NOT PROPERLY CONSIDERED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WIDTH OF THE CANAL, THE FACT THAT THE DRAINAGE MUST REMAIN UNIMPEDED, AND THEN YOU HAVE LARGE TRUCKS THAT ARE TRYING TO DRIVE ALONG THIS NARROW DRAINAGE DITCH. IT'S NOT JUST A HAZARD TO THE EMPLOYEES OF SRM, BUT IT'S A HAZARD TO THOSE TRUCK DRIVERS GOING INTO COASTAL AGGREGATES TRYING TO PASS ONE ANOTHER ONTO THE STRIP ALONG A DRAINAGE DITCH WITHOUT TURNING OVER.

THE BURDEN IS AT APPLICANT, AND THEY HAVE FAILED TO SHOW THIS ACCESS ROUTE IS SAFE FOR TRUCKS TRAVELING ON IT TO REACH THEIR PROPERTY. NO CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ROAD ALONG THIS CANAL.

THE SOIT PLAN WAS INCOMPLETE AS IT DID NOT CONTAIN THE CERTIFICATION THAT NO ADVERSE EFFECT TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY WOULD OCCUR. SO, REALLY, THIS WAS JUST, IN MY OPINION THROWN TOGETHER WITH THE DETAILS TO BE IRONED OUT LATER, WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IRONED OUT AHEAD OF TIME. ALONG WITH THE SAFETY CONCERNS, WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE MINING SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION, WHICH REGULATES ALL MINES.

ALL MINES ARE SUBJECT TO THE FEDERAL MINE, SAFETY AND HEALTH ACT.

MY CLIENT IS SUBJECT TO IT, AND COASTAL AGGREGATES WILL BE AS WELL.

UNDER THAT ACT, A MINE IS DEFINED NOT ONLY AS THE AREAS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY EXTRACT THE MATERIAL, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES PRIVATE WAYS AND ROADS PERTINENT TO THOSE AREAS.

THIS DEFINITION IS BROADLY INTERPRETED. SO THE DECISION TO APPROVE THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE HAUL ROUTE AS IT STANDS THROUGH CANAL 14 POTENTIALLY EXPOSES MY CLIENT TO LIABILITY. IT'S CLEAR THAT CANAL 14 RUNS BETWEEN SRM'S PROPERTY AND EXTRACTION AREAS. THE PERMIT IS ON BOTH SIDES, AND THE EXTRACTION WILL OCCUR ON BOTH SIDES. THIS MEANS THAT SRM COULD FACE MSUB VIOLATIONS AND FINES P OTHER PENALTIES FOR ANYTHING THAT OCCURS ALONG THAT ROUTE WITHOUT HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS THERE. AGAIN, THIS RESULTS IN INTERFERENCE WITH THE ALREADY ESTABLISHED BUSINESS OF MY CLIENT AND THEIR OPERATIONS.

FINAL ERROR IS THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT WILL RESULT ALONG THE PRE-EXISTING HAUL ROUTE.

PART THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT TRAFFIC GENERATION BE CONSIDERED AND THE EFFECT OF THE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING ROADS AND BRIDGES. THE STAFF REPORT APPLICATION OR SUMMARY CONCLUDES THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL HAVE MINIMAL EFFECT ON THE ROADS, BRIDGES AND ENVIRONMENT AND LAND USE, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WHEN NO TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE BEEN PERFORMED. THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE REGARDING WHAT IMPACT AN ADDITIONAL 50 TO 60 TRUCKS PER DAY ALONG THIS ROUTE ROUTE WOULD BE. NO EVIDENCE REGARDING WHAT THE ADDITIONAL TRUCK TRAFFIC IMPACT

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THERE'SO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES PERFORMED. I KNOW A COUPLE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS HAVE BACKGROUNDS IN WATER MANAGEMENT OR CLEAN AIR AND WATER.

THERE'S BEEN NO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OR ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT SHOWS THE IMPACT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ROAD ALONG THIS DRAINAGE CANAL.

THE COUNTRY HAUL ROUTE IS MAINTAINED BY MY CLIENT AT HIS OWN EXPENSE.

MY CLIENT USES DEEDED ACCESS AND NOT THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT. THEY DON'T RELY ON DRAINAGE DISTRICT AUTHORIZATIONS. SO PLACING ADDITIONAL TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE TERRIBLE MAINTENANCE REQUIRED AND THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN THAT YOU PUT ON AN EXISTING BUSINESS IS NOT EQUITABLE. IN CONCLUSION, THE APPLICANT IS SEENINGING NOT SOMETHING OF RIGHT BUT SPECIAL. THEY'RE SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT TO SHOW THEY COMPLIED WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE APPLICANT HAS FAILED TO DO THAT AND SHOW THAT IT CAN SAFELY USE THESE DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANALS AS ACCESS. IN OUR OPINION, THAT IT IS HE ACTUALLY LEGALLY ENTITLED TO DO SO? CAN I HAVE ANOTHER MINUTES JUST TO WRAP UP?

>> YEAH. >> I'M ON THE LAST SLIDE. SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOES NOT ENTITLE THE APPLICANT TO PUT OF BURDEN ITS SPECIAL USE ON ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THAT WILL BE WHAT HAPPENS HERE. WE ASK THAT THE PERMIT BE DENIED AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING

AGENCY DECISION BE OVERTURNED. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME RIGHT NOW? >> I DON'T THINK SO.

DO YOU HAVE ANY? >> I DO. >> I GUESS WE CAN WAIT.

>> WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. >> YOU MENTIONED SAFETY ISSUES AND INCREASED TRAFFIC.

HAVE YOU ALL PERFORMED ANY SAFETY EVALUATIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANYONE THAT WILL

TESTIFY TODAY ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUES? >> THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY SAFETY STUDIES PERFORMED AS I STATED YESTERDAY. AGAIN, THERE IS NO ACTUAL ROAD TO BE STUDIED ON CANAL 14 AT THIS TIME. LET'S GO BACK HERE OR MAYBE NOT.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT QUOED IN DISCUSSING SAFETY ISSUES DOESN'T SAY THERE NEEDS TO BE STUDIED DONE. IT REQUIRES A SHOWING OF POTENTIAL ISSUES, AND THAT'S

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE SFWL. >> AT THIS POINT YOU SAY THERE COULD BE SAFETY ISSUES. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT DEVELOPED YET, BUT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A SAFETY STUDY, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN AN EVALUATION FOR THE POTENTIAL? YOU MADE SOME STATEMENTS TODAY. I'M NOT GIVING YOU A HARD TIME, BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE BASE THIS ON. IS THIS BASED ON OPINION OR FACTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO

PRESENT TO US TODAY? >> THIS IS BASED ON -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY COMMON SENSE.

IT'S BASED ON THE FACT PATTERN AS IT STANDS WITH REGARD TO HOW TRAFFIC WILL BE USING THESE

CANALS AND AN OPINION AS TO THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT COULD OCCUR. >> OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY REVIEW THIS, AND THEY VOTED FOR APPROVAL. BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF REVIEWING THESE DOCUMENTS, THERE WAS NO -- OTHER THAN OPINION ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE BEING PRESENTED TODAY. AS FAR AS THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMON SENSE ARGUMENT THERE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE ON INCREASED TRAFFIC?

>> THERE WE GO. IT'S WORKING NOW. WHICH ONE?

DID YOU HAVE A CODE SECTION? >> GO TO THE FIRST ONE, PLEASE. AGAIN, THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT TO SHOW THE PZA WENT AND APPROVED IT. NOW YOU'RE APPEALING IT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, FACTUAL INFORMATION TO CONSIDER TODAY THAT SHOWS THE PZA'S DECISION WAS NOT CORRECT IN THAT REGARD AS FAR AS INCREASED TRAFFIC? DO YOU HAVE A SAFETY EXPERT OR ENGINEER OR ANYONE THAT YOU CAN BRING TODAY?

>> NO. AGAIN, THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT TO SHOW THAT THEY --

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>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE PZA HEARD THESE SAME ARGUMENTS AND FOUND THAT THAT -- VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS. NOW YOU BRING AN APPEAL BEFORE US TODAY.

IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL OR FACTUAL INFORMATION YOU'LL PROVIDE TODAY?

>> MR. WILLIAMS CAN TESTIFY AS TO THE -- WHAT'S REQUIRED IN MAINTENANCE, AND ALSO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROCEEDINGS, HE'S ALSO BEEN

PRESENT AT THOSE. HE'S PREPARED IF NEED BE. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE , MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> DO WE WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. WILLIAMS NOW? >> IF HE WANTS.

ARE YOU PREPARED TO PRESENT YOUR WITNESS NOW? >> YES.

>> I'M JOHN WILLIAMS, AS I STATED BEFORE I'M A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I LIVE AT 305 ROYAL CARIBBEAN COURT IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I AM THE CURRENT GENERAL MANAGER FOR SRM MATERIALS. PRIOR TO THAT FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS, I'VE BEEN THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR EAST COAST AND BIG HORSE AGGREGATES. WE OFFER THE MINING OPERATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SLIDES. AS FAR AS THE SAFETY CONCERNS, THEY'RE VERY STRICT RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, WHICH REQUIRES BERMING AND SUCH THINGS AS THAT.

ANYTIME THAT YOU HAVE A TRUCK IN A PIT AREA OR ALONG A CANAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THERE HAS TO BE PROPER SAFETY FEATURES YOU HAVE TO HAVE BERMS OF AT LEAST 50% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE TALLER TIRE. WE HAVE AND MAINTAIN A ROAD AND HAVE THEM RUN THE MINE WITH THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. EVERTIME YOU GET CROSS TRAFFIC OF WHICH WE WILL HAVE, IT REQUIRES -- IT IS A SAFETY HAZARD IF THERE'S NOT A PLAN IN PL PLACE, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED A PLAN OF ANY SORT, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE SPEED LIMIT. WHERE IT WILL BE FOR STOPS? IT DOES CAUSE A HAZARD.

I CAN TOFFEE THAT. I -- I CAN TESTIFY TO THAT. WE HAVE CROSS TRAFFIC AND WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY PUT UP SIGNS. WE HAVE SIGNS DENOTING EVERYTHING THAT, UB, ALL THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON THERE. IT HAS TO CONSTANTLY BE EN ENFORCED.

THE DRIVES ARE USED TO COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SAME PLACE TIME AND AGAIN.

BECAUSE THERE'S WANT A STATE TROOPER THERE OR A PAVED ROAD, THEY DON'T ALWAYS OBEY THE SIGNS AND STUFF. IT IS MOST DEFINITELY A HAZARD THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

CROSS-TRAFFIC PATTERNS, SPEED LIMITS, NONE OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE THAT IT CAN BE A SERIOUS PROBLEM.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES. DO YOU?

>> YES. OKAY. SO MR. WILLIAMS, THANKS FOR COMING TODAY. I APPRECIATE IT. MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS ABOUT SAFETY. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC AS WELL.

NOW THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED SAFETY -- SAFETY IS EVERYONE'S CONCERN.

I THINK EVERYONE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY FOR SAFETY. LET ME ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM SINCE YOU'RE A SWORN FACT WITNESS.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? >> I DO, I DO. >> AS FAR AS A SAFETY PLAN, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS TODAY, COULD A SAFETY PLAN BE IMPLEMENTED THAT WOULD MITIGATE

SOME SAFETY CONCERN? -- CONCERNS? >> YES.

>> AS FAR AS AN ENFORCEMENT PLAN, COULD IT BE CREATED, IN YOUR OPINION, THAT COULD

MITIGATE SOME CONCERNS? >> YES. >> OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND. I THINK YOU HIGHLIGHTED THAT'S NOT BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD AT THIS POINT. YOU HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITIES TO REVIEW THAT.

IS THAT ACCURATE? >> YES. >> GOING TO THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT WITH MORE SPECIFICITY. CAN YOU ADDRESS INCREASED TRAFFIC. HO -- ON HERE WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC AND YOU ARE YOU WERE CALLED A WITNESS FOR THAT. CAN YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUES.

>> AS FAR AS THE IMPACT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC? >> YOU ALL BROUGHT THE APPEAL,

SO WHATEVER YOUR ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE HIGHLIGHT. >> SURE.

DWRAEN TIME YOU INCREASES TRAFFIC WHETHER ON A COUNTY ROAD, A PAVED ROAD, STATE ROAD, INTERSTATE, THE HIGHER THE TRAFFIC COUNT, THE MORE THE IM

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I THINK THAT IS A GENERALLY ACCEPTED KNOWLEDGE, THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC BRINGS

INCREASED SAFETY HAZARDS AND INCREASED WEAR AND TEAR. >> SURE.

>> SO THAT -- UVEN, THAT'S MY FIRST RESPONSE TO THAT. >> SURE.

SOME OF THIS IS COMMON SENSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE HERE, YOU'LL HAVE MORE TRASH. I THINK ANYONE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT. GOING TO THAT WITH INCREASED TRA TRAFFIC, IS THERE A WAY TO MITIGATE THAT LIKE YOU BROUGHT UP THE EXAMPLE OF DEVELOPMENTS.

WE LISTENED TO TRAFFIC MITIGATE AND DIFFERENT PLANS IN PLACE. IN YOUR OPINION, IS THERE A WAY

TO SAFELY MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC? >> YES, SIR. THERE IS.

>> AS FAR AS AN ENFORCEMENT PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TRAFFIC IS FLOWING CONSISTENTLY, IN YOUR

OPINION IS THERE A MECHANISM OR ENFORCEMENT PLAN? >> CAN I EXPLAIN HOW TO WORKS FOR YOU WITH OUR CURRENT HAUL ROUTE. THIS IS A CONCERN.

WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL OPERATION AT THE VERY END OF THE ROAD. MOST OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN THERE, 99% OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC COMES TO OUR LOCATION TO PURCHASE OUR BRING MATERIALS OR TO PURPOSE MATERIALS FROM YOU AND TAKE THEM OUT. CURRENTLY WITH THAT IN MIND, WE ARE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM OVER THE TRUCKS. I DON'T DEAL WITH THE CARS, THE AUTO TRAFFIC AND LOCALS AND STUFF AS FAR AS SPEED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I SKAUGS THEM TO BE CAREFUL WITH HEAVY TRUCKS AROUND. FOR INSTANCE, IF I HAVE A TRUCK DRIVER COMING IN NOW SPEEDING, AND I SEE HE'S SPEEDING AND I CAN STOP THAT TRUCK RIGHT NOW AND SAY YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN. THIS IS OUR FIRST WARNING. I SAW YOUR WARNING.

SLOW DOWN. OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT. THEIR CHOICE IS TO EITHER DO OR NOT TO DO THAT. IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT, MY RESOURCE IS, IF YOU'RE CALLED AGAIN, YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAUL OUT OF THIS MINE ANYMORE.

I CAN CAN YOU TELL R CUT OFF YOUR PRIVILEGES YOU AND WON'T COME DOWN THIS ROAD ANYMORE.

WITH THAT IN MIND I CAN CONTROL THE SPEED. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONTROL THE LITTERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ONE OF MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW IS WHEN, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT MAJOR -- JUST BEING A MAJOR COUNTY ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, HOW AM I GOING TO CONTROL THE TRUCK DRIVERS THAT ARE GOING TO THEIR PIT OR ARE THEY GOING TO CONTROL THEM? HOW DO THEY CONTROL MINE IF I TELT TELL ME IF THEY COME DOWN THE READ AND GOING THE COASTAL AGGR AGGREGATES, YOU NEED SO THROW DOWN.

THEY SAID WE AIN'T LODING OUTANYWAY. THE ONE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM I

HAVE THEY TOOK AWAY. >> YOU HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS WORKING WITH EACH OTHER TO MAKE

SURE YOU'RE SAFE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> I THINK THAT'S FAIR AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE MAINTAINED IS A GOOD RELATION THAT LIFE WITH THE PEOPLE OWED. IF THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ANY PARTICULAR, THEY CAN CALL ME. IF THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE ROAD AND THE DUST IS TOO HIGH.

ALL THESE THINGS NOW WE HAVE CONTROVERSY OVER THAT WE WILL NOT CONTROVERSY OVER WITH COASTAL AGGREGATES. THAT'S ON THE MAIN HAUL ROAD. THAT'S ASIDE FROM THE ISSUES OF THE BUSINESS DISRUPTION THAT ARE COMING THROUGH OUR OPERATION AND THE CROSS-TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT.

THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE. >> THIS APPEAL WAS DENIED I'M PRESUMING AND YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG THAT YOU WILL WORK WITH THE OTHER COMPANY AND WORK

TOGETHER TO BE SAFE. IS THAT FAIR? >> YES, SIR.

I SAID THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN GREATEST RESPONSE FROM IT.

I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING A COMPETITOR THAT DOESN'T WANT COMPETITION.

WE'RE NOT AGAINST MINING AND BORROW PITS AND TRUCKS. THIS IS HOW WE MAKE OUR LIVING,

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THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET AROUND, YES, SIR, BUT MY POINT IS, SPEAKING TO THE NEW OWNERS YESTERDAY CALLED ME AND SAID, WHAT DO WE CARE IF THERE IS ANOTHER BORROW PIT? WE DON'T CARE. I SAID, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T CARE EITHER.

THIS IS OUR OBJECTION, IS HOW DO WE WORK THESE ISSUES OUT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T INTERFERENCE WITH OUR BUSINESS AND DOESN'T TAKE AWAY OUR ABILITY TO CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS AND MAINTAIN A SAFE

OPERATION. THAT'S IT. >> I UNDERSTAND.

I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I WANT TO GO BACK IS THE SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

IT WAS APPROVED BY THE PZA AND YOU BRING IT AS AN APPEAL. MOST OF THE TRUCK DRIVERS, MY PREASSUMPTION IS MOST OF THEM ARE HAULING THIS MATERIAL ARE PROFESSIONALS? THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN LICENSING TO TRIOOIF THAT TYPE F VEHICLE, SNARK IS THAT CORRECT.

>> YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S A RISK OF LOSING THAT AND YOUR LIVELIHOOD.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S NOT A HALL OWED ONCE HEAVILY ENFORCED ON 207. YOU THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN THEY WERE INSIDE THE MINE OR ON THE HAUL ROADS. YEAH, THIS IS A FACT IF SOMEBODY MONITORED THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE

CONCERNS I'M SURE. I WOULD. >> MY CONCERN IS MORE THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS AND EARNING A LIVING AND PAID TO HAUL MATERIAL. THERE'S A CERTAIN LICENSING TO DO THIS.

THE PRESUMPTION IS THEY WILL ACT IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER. IS THAT FAIR?

>> I GUESS THAT'S A FAIR PRESUMPTION. >> THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE

RULE, RIGHT? >> OF COURSE, YES. >> WE HAVE TO PRESUME WHETHER WE TALK ABOUT SAFETY AND TRAFFIC, WHETHER WE HAVE PEOPLE LICENSED AND EFRN A LIVING TO CARRY AND

HAUL THIS ACTIVITY, THEY ACT IN A SAME MANNER, IS THAT FAIR? >> I THINK IT'S HONEST.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FAIR OR NOT. IT'S HONEST.

I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASSUME. I DON'T THINK IT ALWAYS WORKS

THAT WAY, BUT SURE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE ALL HOP FOR. >> I APPRECIATE IT, M MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME COMING UP YOU HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE

MR. CHAIRMAN. >> JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. IN YOUR THING YOU SAY THAT STATE OF THE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLE RIDERS. HOW MANY DO YOU SEE DOWN THERE

NEAR YOUR PIT? >> THAT WAS JUST THE CODE. THE BICYCLE -- THAT'S NOT A CONCERN. THE CONCERN IS TRAFFIC AND THERE WOULD BE PEDESTRIANS IN THE FORM OF EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, THEY WALK EQUIPMENT BACK AND FORTH, TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE -- WHERE THE MINE IS PERMITTED ON BOTH SIDES. SO THERE WOULD BE EMPLOYEES, POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES FOR THE TRAFFIC AND THERE'S ALSO JUST VEHICULAR AND EQUIPMENT TRAFFIC.

>> JUST AS YOU STATED IT, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS. >> RIGHT.

I WAS JUST CITING THE CODE, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYBODY RIDING A BIKE OUT THERE.

>> OKAY. AND THEN YOU ALSO SAID THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA WHICH I ONLY SEE ONE FROM THE AREA, WAS THAT CORRECT OR IS THERE MORE THAN ONE.

>> NO. THE ONE AIRLINE THAT ARIEL YOU SEE IS A RESIDENT.

THAT'S A FARMER OUT THERE. TO THE EAST OF THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW LINE ON THE FAR LEFT, THAT'S THE BIG HORSE PIT. TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS ALL THE WAY UP JUST TO B ABOUT TO CURB TO THE MERRIFIELD LANE. THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE AS WELL.

THEY USE THE ROAD FOR ACCESS. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

JUST CHECKING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? OKAY. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD I HAVE A MINUTE TO PASS SOME MATERIALS OUT, PLEASE.

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>> YES. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PAUSE. FOR THE RECORD ELLEN AVERY SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WEST STONE PLACE, ST. AUGUSTINE. JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER FOR YOU, WHAT I JUST PASSED OUT TO YOU ARE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN MY POWER POINT FOR THE MOST PART. I WOULD INCORPORATE THEM BY REFERENCE INTO MY PRESENTATION.

THEY INCLUDE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ORDER FROM THE PZA APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE.

THEY ALSO INCLUDE THE STAFF REPORT FROM THE PZA, WHICH RECOMMENDED APPROVE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND THEY INCLUDE MY POWER POINT PRESENTATION FROM THAT HEARING, WHICH GOES THROUGH EVERY PROVISION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RELATED TO IT.

I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT TODAY, SO I'M INCORPORATES ALL OF THAT BY REFERENCE.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF ORIENTATION, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE A BORROW PIT FOR COASTAL AGGREGATES.

YOU NOW I CALL IT EAST COAST AS WELL. I REFER TO AS WEST WIND BECAUSE THEY WERE MY CLIENT WHEN I GOT THIS PIT PERMITTED BACK ABOUT 11 YEARS AGO.

THIS PROPERTY IS, AGAIN, TO GIVE YOU DAIFSH THAT'S MERRIFIELD LANE.

I CALL IT HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL NUMBER 17. THAT'S THE ORIENTATION.

MINE SITTING RIGHT BESIDE MINE OR PROPOSED MINE. AGO KULT TUR LAND USE AND OPEN RURAL ZONING FOR BOTH. THE PROPOSED HAUL ROUTE GOES THROUGH THE OUTLINE IN YELLOW IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE SHOVE NER FAMILY. ONLY A PORTION OF IT IS SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, 40 ACRES. SO TODAY OR AT THE PZA, THE HAUL ROUTE WENT THROUGH THE SHOCK NER PROPERTY THROUGH HASTINGS DISTRICT CANAL NUMBER 14 TO GO TO HASTINGS DISTRICT CANAL 17 TO GO OUT WILDWOOD LANE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT OWNS THE SIMPLE TITLE TO CANAL 14 RIGHT-OF-WAY AND CANAL 17 RIGHT-OF-WAY. PUTNAM COUNTY OWN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO WIDE WOOLD LAWN FROM THE PUTNAM COUNTY AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY ALL THE WAY OUT TO STATE ROUTE 207.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THIS IS PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY OWNED ABOUT BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT OR PUTNAM COUNTY.

WHEN THIS WHOLE THING STARTED IN 2017, WANT THEIR ATTORNEY, BUT I READ THE RECORD.

THE PROPOSED WALL ROUTE WENT OUT TO CANAL 13, WHICH IS ALSO OWNED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT DOWN HERE AND GO TO THE WEST TO CANAL NUMBER 17, WHICH IS ALSO OWNED BY THE DISTRICT, AND GO NORTH. THAT PROPOSAL WAS OBJECTED TO BY THE SAME FOLKS WHO ARE OBJECTING TO THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT THIS ROUTE TO GO THROUGH BETWEEN PROPERTIES.

AGAIN, THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT OWNS CANAL 17. EAST COAST AGGREGATES OR SRM OR WHATEVER THEY ARE NOW DOES NOT OWN THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY. THEY USE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AS THEIR HAUL ROUTE, TOO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT. SO IF THEY WOULD PREFER THAT WE GO BACK TO CANAL 13 AND GO TO CANAL 17 AS THE HAUL ROUTE, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, IF YOU GENTLEMEN DECIDE THAT TODAY. THAT WOULD BE JUST FINE. THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT GOING THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH IT ALL.

IT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS AND OWNS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT RUNS THROUGH IT'S JURISDICTIONS AND LEVEES PROPERTY TAXES ON LANDOWNERS TO MAINTAIN IT. THEY'RE GENERALLY USED AS PUBLIC ROADS AGAIN OWNED BY IT IS HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. CHAPTER 205 -- I'M SORRY. 20005-345 ON LAWS OF FLORIDA TALK ABOUT THE DISTRICT RETAINING ALL RIGHTS WITH RESPECT TO RIGHT-OF-WAYS IN THE BOUNDARY. YOU HAVE THAT LEGISLATION IN YOUR PACKAGE.

YOU ALSO HAVE EXSERLTS FROM FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER 298 THAT SAYS THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT HAS A RIGHT TO OWN LAND INCLUDING RIGHT-OF-WAY. URT HAVE HELD IN A DRAIN LITTLE

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THESE PLANS ARE ALSO IN YOUR PACKAGE AND ARE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS.

THERE HAVE BEEN SURVEYS DONE AND ENGINEERED PLANS AND HE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.

IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT FULLY ENGINEERED, AND THERE'S A BORROW PIT CONSTRUCTION APPLICATION PENDING WITH THE COUNTY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF ALL THIS.

AGAIN, THE EXISTING BORROW PIT FROM THE APPEALS PART -- APPEALING PARTY TODAY USES THE SAME HAUL ROUTE I CALL CANAL 17 FROM THEIR LAND BOTH IN ST. JOHNS AND PUT NUMB COUNTIES TO GO NORTH TO WILDWOOD LANE. WHEN WE I IN 2018 GOT A LETTER FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY -- YOU SEE THIS. I'M SORRY. THIS LETTER IS FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY AGREEING TO THE WESTWIND MINE IF PUTNAM COUNTY EXTENDING THE DEDICATION OF THE ROOM.

HERE'S A LETTER FROM PUTNAM COUNTY. SAME THING, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE MINE IF YOU DEDICATE THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY AND MAINTAIN THE ROAD.

THERE'S THE RESIDE AGREEMENT IN YOUR PANELLING BY WHICH THE WESTWOOD MIGHT NOTTED TOOK ON THE M OBL FWAGS OF MAINTAIN AND AFFORDING IN PUT YAM COUNTY AND NOT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

AGAIN, THE HAUL ROUTE IS THE SAME HAUL ROUTE THAT'S PROPOSED BY MY CLIENT.

THE DRAINAGE STRICT CANALS ARE NOT OWNED BY SRM. WE FALL INTO A SIMILAR PROCEDURE WITH THIS MINE. WE WENT TO PUTNAM COUNTY AND GOT THEIR APPROVAL TO USE THE ROAD WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTIONS. THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICTS, WHICH AGAIN THIS IS A RERT FROM MR. COUNTS WRITTEN. YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT MEETING MINUTES BY WHICH HE RELY ODD TO WRITE THIS LETTER. FEPT TO TALK ABOUT CANAL 13 VERSUS 14, WE'RE HAPPY TOO USE CANAL 13 TO GO TOO 17 AND THE HAUL ROUTE.

AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

ALL OF THE CRITERIA FROM THE PLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARE IN TE STAFF REPORT.

THE PZA UNANIMOUSLY REMITTED APROOUL IN THIS SPECIAL USE PERMITS BAYED ON THAT STAFF REPORT AND OUR PRESENTATION AT THE PSA. THEY ALSO, AGAIN, NOW APPEALED, AND SO WE'RE HERE TODAY, AGAIN, TO SAY WE'VE PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE RECORD ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW THAT THE DISTRICT IS THE LEGAL OWNER OF THOSE ROADS.

THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT NEVERED ANYONE TO OBTAIN A PERMIT OR OTHER APPROVAL TO USE THE ROADS. MR. WILLIAMS HIMSELF HAS TESTIFIED THEY'VE BEEN USING THESE ROADS, AND THEY'VE BEEN USING THEM SAFELY AND SO I WOULD JUST REQUEST OF YOU THAT YOU ALLOW MY CLIENT, COASTAL AGGREGATES, TO USE AGAIN CANAL 17 WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACCESS IT FROM CANCEL 13 OR 14 IS YOUR CAL. MY CLIENT IS PERFECTLY WILLING TO MAKE WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS ON HIS OWN DIME TO IMPROVE WHATEVER LOUT YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO USINGS FOR THEIR HOME ROUTE TO GET TO 207. SO REALLY, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SAY ANTI-COMPETITION APPEAL AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OM SO MUCH APPARENTLY MARKET FOR THESE MATERIALS, AND SO WITH RESPECT TO THE CLAIM OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, PROCEDURE THE BEGANED DEMAND FOR AGGREGATE IS THE SAME. JUAN WOULD ASSUME THAT THE PRACTICE DOESN'T INCREASE. SOME OF THE TRUCKS DW FW TO ONE MINE OVER THE OTHER.

WITH THAT BE SAID, I'LL RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND

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IF THAT MAKES -- IF ONE MAKES YOU BELIEVE UTS MORE SAFE THAN THE OTHER.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME TURN THIS OFF HERE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTION, MISS SMITH. IF THEY WERE TO CHOOSE A SOUTHERN ROUTE, NUMBER 13 AND NUMBER 17 GOING NORTH, HOW WIDE IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR NUMBER

17? >> OKAY. ACCORDING TO THIS MAP THAT WAS DONE -- THIS IS A SURVEY, AND THIS SHOWS CANAL NUMBER 17 -- GOOD LORD.

MY EYESIGHT IS BAD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE 100 FEET. >> 1 HU00 FEET.

>> WAIT A MINUTE. I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU AND STEE IF YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER.

IT MAY SAY 200 FEET. >> I SH BIFOCALS. >> I WONDER IF WE COULD LOOK IT

UP ON THE GIS SITE? >> WHILE HE'S DO THAT, MRS. SMITH I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. YOU REFERENCED IN SOME OF YOUR PRESENTATION YOU CALL MERRIFIELD LANE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER 17. IS THERE ACTUAL DRIVING? IS THERE ACTUAL INGRESS AND EGRESS ON NUMBER 17 NORTH OF CANAL NUMBER 14?

OR IS THAT MERRIFIELD LAYNE? >> I USE THE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY.

>> THAT'S ANY QUESTION. I WANT TO KNOW, WHO OWNS MERRIFIELD LANE? IS MERRIFIELD LANE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY. IT PULLS OFF AND GOES UP THE COUNTY LINE, AND THEN NUMBER 17 AND WILDWOOD LANE GO INTO PUTNAM CAN YOU TELL.

WHO OWNS THAT PORTION WHERE IT PULLS OFF GOING TO THE NORTH? >> WHO OWNS IT?

YOU'RE TALK ABOUT -- CAN YOU GO BACK TO -- >> REALLY MY REQUEST IS IS THAT HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY? MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WOULD BE IF IT IS, DOES SRM OR ANYBODY HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO USE THE PROPERTY?

>> I DON'T HAVE THE SURVEY OF THE ACTUAL MERRIFIELD LANE. LIKE I SAID, I USED THOSE TERMS INTERCHAINABLY. CNAL 17 VERSE MERRIFIELD LANE. HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL, ACCORDING TO THIS SURVEY, GOES NORTH OF CANAL 14. THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT

OWNS THAT LAND. >> MY QUESTION IS, WHERE IS THE DRIVING BEING DONE NORTH OF THAT? ON HASTINGS DRAINAGE DITCH PROPERTY? THERE'S AN EXPANSE OF PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE RUNNING NOW AND TO THE WEST.

IS THAT HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY? >> CAN YOU PUT UP MY -- THE HAUL

ROUTE SLIDE AGAIN, PLEASE? OKAY. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

RIGHT HERE. >> YES, IN HERE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SURVEY ONLY, THIS IS HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 17 RIGHT-OF-WAY TO HERE. THEN THE HAUL ROUTE GOES ONTO WIDEWOOD LANE, WHICHES A SEPARATELY DEEDED RIGHT-OF-WAY. I GAVE YOU -- THE DEED IS IN YOUR PACKAGE OF THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY, BECAUSE THAT WAS DONE, AGAIN, AS PART OF THE WEST WIND MINE.

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>> THAT'S FINE. SO FROM HERE TO HERE IS HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT PROPERTY?

>> ACCORDING TO THIS SURVEY, YES. >> THAT'S WHERE I ASK MISS RARA RAVENSCROFT IF THERE'S AN AAGREEMENT BETWEEN YOUR CLIENT

AND THEM TO DRIVE ON THAT PROPERTY. >> WE CAN PROBABLY LOOK AT IT IN

THE BOOK. >> MISS RAVENSCROFT. >> I KNOW THAT CANAL 17 AND MERRIFIELD LANE HAVE BEEN USED INTERCHANGEABLY BY MISS SMITH, BUT MERRIFIELD LANE IS AN EASEMENT. MY CLIENT HAS DEEDED ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY VIA THAT EASEMENT.

IT DOES NOT RELY ON PERMISSIONS FROM HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. IT DOESN'T HAS TO.

NOW, WHERE THAT IS RELATION TO CANAL 17, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY VAUR VAS SURVEYS IF THAT ENCROACHING OR THE CANAL ENKROEFS ON MERRIFIELD LANE. I'M NOT SURE.

THERE HASN'T BEEN A SURVEY DONE. >> HOW WIDE WAS THE EASE YEASEM? >> I BELIEVE IT'S 85 FEET.

I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE DEEDS, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S 85 FEET. >> MY OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, YOU CAN PROBABLY EITHER ANSWER IT. WHEN IS WILDWOOD LANE TO BE PAVED. THAT'S IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE DHIEPT AND

PUTNAM COUNTY. >> IT'S PART OF THE DEED OR THE AIM INDICATION FOR THE SU P?

>> THIS WAS DONE. IT HAS MY NAME ON IT FROM 2008 AND IT'S CALLED ROADWAY DEDICATION AGREEMENT IN YOUR PACKAGE DATED SEPTEMBER 23RD AND 208.

IT'S BETWEEN WEST WIND AND THE COUNTY. IT'S THE OBL GAKS OF PAVING THE ROAD AND MAINTAINING WILD WOOD LANE ON THE PUT NUMB COUNTY. S NOW SRM IS THE SUCCESSOR FOR THE EAST COAST. THAT RUNS WITH TITLE TO THEIR LAND.

>> DOES IT HAVE A TIME FRAME OR A DESIGNATION WHEN IT WILL BE PAVED.

>> SORRY TO BRURPT. I CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

WHAT'S NOT PROVIDED WITH THE OFRJ ROADWAY DEDICATION AGREEMENT IS EAST COAST AGGREGATES ENTERED INTO AN AMENDMENT WITH PUTNAM COUNTY THAT ALLOWED THE PAVING TO TAKES

PLACE WITHIN FIVE YEARS AFTER OPERATION SICEASE. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. MY QUESTION REGARDING TO THE WIDTH, WHAT ARE THE WIDTH?

>> IT'S 100 FEET ON THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SIDE. HE CAN'T REALLY TALK.

>> I BELIEVE IT VARIES AS THE CANAL MEANDERS.COUNTY SIDE. HE CAN'T REALLY TALK.

>> I BELIEVE IT VARIES AS THE CANAL MEANDERS. >> THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS CONSTANT

BUT IT INTERACTING WITHIN IT. >>> SCALE HOUSE IS ON THE PROPERTY OTHER THANKED BY SR MATERIALS SFLOOCHLT THAT'S -- THAT'S 100 FEET AND MORE TO THE EAST THERE?

>> JOHN WOO PROBABLY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AS TO THE LOCATION OF THAT.

>> IT LOOKS AWFUL CLOSE TO THE CANAL FOR ME. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> JOHN WILLIAMS AGAIN. I HAVE HAVEN'T SURVEYED IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK ALTHOUGH THE -- WHERE THE SCALEHOUSE IS LOCATED, IT WAS BUILT -- THIS WAS MRIER TO MY TIME THERE.

THE SCALE WAS ACTUALLY LOCATED WHERE THERE WAS AN OLD PACK AND SHIP.

THAT WAS ON THE PHONE. THAT WAS ALL A FRM. SO I GUESS WLOEFR DONE IT AT THE TIME THEY PUT IT THERE FOR CONVENIENCE OF THAT REASON. AS FAR AS THE SCALE HOUSE, I SAY THAT IT IS ON OUR PROPERTY OR AT LEAST ON THE 66 FEET EASEMENT THAT WE TOO HAVE IF WE'RE PROVEN

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REQUIRED. >> THE OONL QUESTION IED ANDED ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE IF IT WAS SAFETY AS AN ISSUE AND YOU HAVE SAFETY ISSUES ON THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY ON NUMBER 14 WHERE I ASSUME YOU HAVE A SURVEY THERE, BECAUSE YOU OWN BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S 30-FEET WIDE. YOU HAVE A DITCH AND ROAD IN THERE, AND THERE ARE KERNELS ABOUT SAFETY. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME 100 FOOT WIDE COMING TOWN NUMBER 17 CANAL WOULD PRODUCE A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFSHG GOING BY EACH OTHER AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU REDUCE NUMBER 17 GOING NORTH OF THE SCALE HOUSE OR NORTH OF THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER 14 CANAL. SKRON R I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDE IT IS.

IT HAS ISSUES WITH PLACEMENT AS WELL. THERE ARE LEGAL THINGS GOING ON.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE RIGHT PLACE EITHER. I WANT THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S A CONSIDERATION IF SAFETY IS AN ISSUE AND 30 FEET WIDE, MAYBE COME FROM THE SOUTH AND COME BY UP THE COUNTY LINE CANAL THERE WHERE IT'S 100 FEET WIDE. JUST A THOUGHT.

>> YES, SIR. AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE CROSS TRAFFIC. CURRENTLY HAVE CROCK TRAFFIC TO THE PUTNAM COUNTY SIDE WHERE WE PROCESS COMING UP WITH WOULD COME THROUGH THAT. ALL OF THAT CAN BE -- TRAFFIC CAN BE MAINTAINED. WHERE WE COME IN IS WE HAVE DEEDED ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY.

WE DON'T RELY ON THE DRAINAGE DRIVER AND NEVER HAVE. WE'VE NANED THE ROAD.

WE HAVISH USE WITH PUTNAM COUNTY. WE CAN'T ADDRESS THOSE ISSUE HERE IN THIS MEETING BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. WE INTEND TO ADDRESS THOSE I ISSUES NPT APPROPRIATE VENUE WITH PUTNAM COUNTY AND THIS AGREEMENT THAT MRS. SMITH HAS DONE THAT WE'RE SUCCESSORS TO. NOW SHE USES IT AGAINST US. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DON'T RELY ON THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. IF THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT OR THE APPL APPLICANT, EVERYBODY THAT SURVEYS AND SAYS WE'RE ENCROACHING ON THEM, WE WILL TAKE WHATEVER ACTION TO GET OUR PROPERTY OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY PROVIDED THAT THEY DO THE SAME THING WITH THE CANALS. IF THE CANALS OVER ON US, WHICH IT COULD EASILY R BE SHGS YOU SEE HOW THAT GOES. MOVE THE CANAL.

WE HAVE ACCESS. WE'RE NOT USING IT AS IF WE'RE NOT.

IF WE ARE, NOT NOT BY DESIGN. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WE SAY TODAY.

THEY'RE TRYING TO USE IT BY SDIN WITHOUT ANY OTHER ACCESS APART FROM THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

THAT'S THE ISSUE. >> MR. SMITH, SINCE I'M ANSWERING, I NEED TOO MAKE A CORRECTION TO WHAT HE JUST SAID. I DO RECALL BACK 11 YEARS AGO THAT THE EASEMENT LIES MORE TO THE EAST, AND I DO THINK, IN FACT, IT MEANDER BACK. IT'S A PROOIT EASEMENT.

>> THAT EASEMENT SHERIFFS AS RESIDENTS AND PUTNAM COUNTY AND REZ NANTZES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS WELL AS ANY LAND OTHER THAN THAT'S DOWN ON THAT END OF THAT PART OF THE ROAD.

THAT EASEMENT SERVES EACH, CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT, AGAIN, OWNS THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IF THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY THEY CAN PUT UP STOP SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE POINTS AND OUR GUYS CAN. THEY CAN REGULATE EACH OTHER TRAFFIC AND WORK TOGETHER AS

GENTLEMEN. >> WEEN THAT. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HAS DONE AN ADEQUATE JOB OF ESTABLISHES THIS EARLIER. THIS CAN BE HANDLED.

MY QUESTIONS ARE POINTED AT -- IF YOU'RE VERY SPECIFIC. THIS BOARD HAS AN OPPORTUNITIES TO CHOOSE WHICH RATE TO CHANGE. IF THAT RATE IS SAFE FOR GOING HAD ADIFFERENT DIRECTION BECAUSE OF WIDTH OR SOMETHING, IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE FACTS ARE AND WHERE THE PROPERTY IS TO HANDLE IT CORRECTLY. TO ME, ALSO, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT JUST MERELY INGRESS AND EGRESS ON THESE PROPERTIES, BUT ALSO THE ABILITY FOR HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO CONTINUE TO FULFILL IT'S DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO ITS LAND OWNERS IN MAINTAINING DRAINAGE. THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST HERE EITHER.

I'M CONCERNED THAT SOMETIMES WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE SPRAGUE NATS AND SWALLOWS CAMELS

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DRAINAGE DISTRICT SFL. >> YES, IT WAS. INITIALLY IT WAS APPROVED.

THE ACTUAL COVERT THERE WAS APPROVED BY THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

WE REINFORCED THAT. WE PUT METAL OVER THE TOP OF THAT.

IT IS STILL IN PLACE. WE JUST REINFORCED IT AND OBLD ON TOP OF IT.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE TO ENTIRE CONVENIENT OR CHANGE THE FLOW THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH, MR. COULD YOU NOTES IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DISTRICT.

HE WAS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. HE MAY SHIITE SHOOIN SOME LIGHT ON SOME OF THIS IF YOU'D LIKE.

>> I'D HATE HIM TO MAKE AND TRIP AND NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK. >> OKAY.

>> MR. CHAIR, AS THAT GENTLEMAN IS APPROACHING, I WANT TO GO BACK TO ONE OF MISS SMITH AS COMMENTING ABOUT PUT UP STOP SIGNS, ET CETERA. I HAVE NOT REVIEWED THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT THOURT PER SE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME ROAD DENT DRAINAGE DISTRICTS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU.

>> CAN YOU GIVE ME A NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> JOHNNY COUNTS, 9470 BURROW FACTORY ROAD. ALSO CURRENT BOARD MEMBER OF THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING. MR. COUNTS, WITH THE CROSSING THERE AT NUMBER 17, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT OWNS THERE IN

REGARD TO COMING BY THEHOUSE IN NUMBER 17? >> I KNOW THAT IT STEPS DOWN AS IT COMES FROM THE RIVER. WE START OFF WITH ABOUT 250 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND IT STEPS DOWN AS IT MOVING FURTHER TO THE SUITE. RIGHT THERE AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER IS 100 FEET RIGHT-OF-WAY DOWN THROUGH THE AREA.

TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT, I COULDN'T TELL YOU. I JUST KNOW THAT FROM THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT SOME OF IT DOES MEANDER AND WORKING BACK AND FORTH.

SOME OF THE CANAL COMING UP CLOSE TO TELL US EDGE OF THE RIFE, RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT IT DOESN'T GO OVER IT. SOME OF THE ROADWAYS WAS -- I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS NOW.

I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IF. IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IMPACT IT JUST A LITTLE BIT. IT'S NOT A -- IT DOES -- IT CROSSES IT SEVERAL TIMES.

I MEAN THEY -- >> GOING NORTH? >> YES.

>> YES, MA'AM. SO THE TOUT DO YOU KNOW WHERE NUMBER 131, DO YOU HOW WIDE IT

IS THERE? >> NUMBER 13 STEPS DOWN AS IT COMES FROM BARREL FACTORY ROAD TOO. IT STARTS OFF -- I THINK IT STARTS OFF ABOUT A 50-FOOT AND

COMES TOWN TO 35%. >> TELL ME ABOUT NUMBER 17 WHERE IT IS?

IS IT # 00 FEET STILL THERE. >> I BELIEVE IT'S # HUNDRED FEET ALL THE WAY TO

>> HAS HAASES STRICT AWARE OF HOW WIDE THE PITCH IS ON NUMBER 14? IS IT TRUE ALY 30 FEET EASE IMENT RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE AS WELL.

HOW WIDE SH THE DITCH DPARED TO THE 30 FEET. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS 40 FEET, BUT IT COULD BE. I'M NOT FOR SURE ON THAT ONE. YOU HAVE A KITCHEN WITH PROBABLY WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE A SIX-FOOT, 72-INCH CULVERT TO GO IN IT.

THAT'S WHAT COMES UP BASHL FRACTURARY ROAD. ABOUT 72 QUESTIONS.

SO U ABOUT 6 FEET OF CANAL. >> SO YOU HAVE A TRACT WIDTH TO DRY ON IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT SPOT. THAT'S THE POINT. THAW I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY. I KNOW YOU'RE BEING PAID EXTREMELY WELL TO DO IT.

>> THANK YOU. YES, SIR. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR

MISS RAVENSCROFT. THAT'S IT FOR YOU. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME? >> NOT AT THIS TIME.

>> I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP. I HAVE A QUESTION IN THE SUMMARY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PZA

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DO YOU KNOW WHO HE IS? >> HE WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNTY LINE ECONVENE -- EQUINE LLC. HE WAS THE MANAGING MANAGER WHO WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE WEST WIND PROPERTY PRIOR TO SRM'S PURCHASE. SO HE WAS AT THE TIME THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING WAS HELD, HE WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER.

>> HE MADE A STATEMENT THAT SAID THAT THEY SPENT -- THAT SOMEBODY IS SPENDING BETWEEN -- I ASSUME IT'S HIM. BETWEEN $100,000 AND 300$300,00 YEAR TO MAINTAIN ACCESS.

CAN YOU VALIDATE THAT? >> IT WAS NOT HIM. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER HE CAME UP

WITH THE FIGURES. >> WAIT A SECOND. IT WAS NOT HIM THAT MATE THAT

STATEMENT? >> NO, IT'S NOT HILL THAT PAYS THAT.

MR. WILLIAMS WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE FIGURES BECAUSE IT IS TAISH WAS EAST COAST AGO GREATS AND NOW SR MATERIALS THAT MAINTAINS THE ROAD.

IT USES MATERIALS FROM THE PIT. EMPLOYEES OF THE MINES ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY GO OUT AND RUN THE EQUIPMENT. IT'S MINE EQUIPMENT THAT'S USED. A WATER TRUCK STILL FILLED UP AND RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD TO KEEP THE DUST DOWN. IT'S HARD TO PERFECTLY QUANTIFY IT, BECAUSE IT IS BASICALLY USING COMPANY RESOURCES. BUT THAT EXPENSE DOES FALL ONTO

WAS ECOAST AGGREGATES NOW SR MATERIALS. >> IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH, I'M LOOKING AT THAT LINE. IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THE -- WHERE THE COMMAS ARE?

THE FIRST KWUN ONE -- >> WE GO FROM 10,000 TO 3 MILLION.

THERE. >> THERE'S SOMMER TYPOS IN THIS APPLICATION, BUT KNOWLEDGES TRANSIT IT TO BE WHERE THE COMMENT IS MADE SENSE. I ASSUME IT'S 100,000.

I MAY BE INCORRECT, AND IT WAS A SAFETY MADE FOR 10,000 TO 3 MILLION.

>> NO THE STATEMENT WAS, I GOED, BETWEEN 100 AND 300,000 THAT HE MADE AT THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU. I DIDN'T MAKE A CORRECTION, BUT THAT SEEMS NUMBER ONE.

THAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY HIGH NUMBER. NUMBER TWO IS PRETTY LARGE DEVIANCE IN REGARD TO WHAT IT IS. I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S VALIDITY TO IT. NONETHELESS, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S THE ENOF MY QUESTIONING. >> MR. JONES. >> YOU MENTIONED DON'T HAVE

ISSUES WITH THE BORROW PIT ITSELF IN. >> CORRECT.

I KNOW MY CLIENT IS LABELED AS A DISGRUNTLED COMPETITOR, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERMIT THAT'S BEING REQUESTED, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SELLING UNFINISHED PROCESS, UNPROCESSED PRODUCT.

MY CLIENT SELLS -- IT PROCESSINGS ALL OF THE MATERIAL SO IT'S NOT THE SAME MATERIAL OR CLIENT. THE FOCUS IS STRICTLY ON THE ROUTE.

>> HAS YOUR CLIENT OFFERED AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOUR CLIENT AND

PROVIDING THAT TO THE APPLICANT? >> I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED CURRENTLY --

>> IT'S A YES OR NO. EITHER THEY HAVE OFFERED AN ALTERNATE ROUTE OR HAVE NOT.

>> NO, THEY HAVE NOT. >> WHY NOT? >> BECAUSE THE CLIENT -- THE APPLICANT HAS ACCESS SKURNTLY FOR EVERYTHING IT'S GOOT A RIGHT TO DO SO THROUGH BARREL FACTORY ROAD. IT'S NOT LANDLOCKED. THIS ROUTE WAS PREFERRED BY THEM SO AS NOT TO BRING BARREL FACTORY UP TO STANDARD. IT'S NOT HLIKE THIS IS A LANDLOCKED PARCEL OF PROPERTY WOW ANY WAY TO GET OUT. SO IT HAS ACCESS ALREADY.

>> OKAY. MISS SMITH, DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNS, I DO WANT TO, BECAUSE PART OF WHAT I DID NOT -- THAT I MENTIONED ALTHOUGH THE PZA THAT I DIDN'T MENTION TO YOUR BOARD IS WHEN I TOOK OVER THIS PROJECT, WHICH WAS IN OCTOBER OF 2018, LIKED I SAID, THE ORIGINAL HAUL ROUTE PROPOSED WAS CANAL 13 TO THE SOUTH AND THEN CANAL 17. THESE BOTH SHOWED UP IN OPPOSITION AND IT WAS STALLED FOR A WHILE. WHETHER I TOOK OVER THE PROJECT, I CAME AND MET WITH BUSTER

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THEY WANTED TO USE ONE OF THESE ROUTES BECAUSE -- >> THEY MEANING THE COUNTY?

>> THE COUNTY STAFF PREFERRED IT BECAUSE IT WAS SAFER AND DID NOT INTERFERE WITH ANY RESIDENCES OR ANY CHURCHES OR ANYTHING IN HASTELES REQUIRED BY THE LAN DEVELOPMENT CODE.

CHIEL THERE WOULD BE LEGAL ACCESS THEY WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT A

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. NONE OF THESE ROUTES ARE ON

COUNTY-OWNED PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

THE HAUL ROUTES EITHER GOES THROUGH CANALS SP INTO PUTNAM KOUT AND WE DON'T HAVE INJURES PARTICULARS. THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROPOSAL TO USE BARREL FACTORY ROAD ALOPPING THE INITIAL COMMITMENT. ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS YOU NEED TO ACCESS THROUGH A COLLECTIVE ROAD, BARREL FACTOR SUB STANDARD BOTH IN RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. TO GET TO AN ARTERIAL 207 THAT'S TECHNICAL STAFF LOOKED AT IT AND KIND OF DISCOURAGED THE USE OF BARREL FACTORY ROAD. TO GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, THE HALL ROUTE GOES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED BY MR. SCHAFFNER.

THEY WILL USE THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT CAN'T PROPERTY OWNED BY THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND INTO PUTNAM COUNTY EARLY THROUGH THE REMINOR OF THE CANAL 17 OTHER THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORD OWNED BY PUTNAM COUNTY BUT MAINTAINED BY ANOTHER ENTITY. SO THERE'S NO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND OWNED AND MAINTAINED RIGHT-OF-WAY INVOLVED IN THE HAUL ROUTE.

>> WHILE THE QUARTER KLT HAS THE THORPT TO APROOU THE USE OF THE LAND AS A BAR PIT, WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT TO DEMONSTRATION LEGAL ACCESSIBILITY WITH CERTAIN

STANDARDS. >> THE ACCESSIBILITY IS ALWAYS REQUIRED TO USE A PERMIT.

A DISPARTICULARS WITH THE BORROW PITT IS THEY'RE A FOCUS ON THE ROUTE AS RAVARY SMITH SAID TO AVOID AREAS WHICH COULD PROPOSAL IMPLICATES SUCH AS BY CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS.

THAT'S ARE WHY A XOEN IF NOT OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS A DEMONSTRATION OF HAUGHT ROUTE SO YOU DON'T HAVE A YIENT HOLE IN THE GROUND AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S THE STAFF RES THE HAUL RIGHT FOR SAFETY CONSIDERS AND

THOSE OTHER ASPECTS. >> OKAY. FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, WE REQUIRE EVEN ON PRIVATE ROWS OR ACCESS EASEMENTS, SPECIFICS AS TO HOW THE ACCESS IS PROVIDED HOMES EVEN ON A PRIVATE ACCESS AGENT. ALL WEATHER ACCESS, CERTAIN WIDTHS AND CLEARANCES VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTAL, THAT APPLICATION IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THIS

TYPE OF USE? >> I BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DMON VAT ODD CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVALS. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS MORE A CONCEPTUAL HAUL ROUTE.

WE DON'T BRING IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN, WHICH IS SIGNED AND SEAL WOULD BY THE INJURY OF RECORD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FOR THEM TO LOOK OVER.

IT'S MORE ON THE ENTITLEMENT PHASE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FUNCTION OF THE AGENCY.

WE LOOK AT THE APPROVAL FOR THE BORROW PIT AND THE HAUL ROUTE. HERE WE HAVE TO WORK WITH HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICTS BECAUSE IT'S THEIR RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ULTIMATELY THEY CAN APPROVE OR DENY WHETHER ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL INTERFERE WITH THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF DRAINAGE. WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT.

>> SO IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THERE'S STILL A CONSTRUCTION PLAN SUBMITTED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR MANY SAFETY ASPECTS EXPRESSED AS A CONCERN SUCH AS TRAFFIC CONTROL, SIGNAGE, STOP SIGNS, PEDESTRIAN IMPACTS OR CROSSINGS, ET CETERA.

>> YES. THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION PLAN SUBMITTED.

IT'S CURRENTLY HEAD IN ABAYNESS BECAUSE OF THIS APPEAL. I THINK THAT IT'S ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT SHE HANDED OUT. THAT'S, OBVIOUSLY, IF THE BOARD CH'AIMINGS IT'S PERMIT, THAT HAS TO CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. TECHNICAL STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF HAUL ROUTE CONSTRUCTION

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PLAN APPROVAL. >> SO IFN MEETS OUR DESIGNED REQUIREMENTS AND CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO THE PLAIN, ANY OTHER SAFETY CONCERN IS BEHAVIOR OF THE INDIVIDUAL FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS OR NOT MORE SO THAN THE STATED SAFETY CONCERNS IF IT'S DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO THE STANDARD BY OUR AND ANY OTHER GOVERNING ENTITIES?

>> ASSUMING THAT THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN MEET RS YOUR CONDITIONS IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE LEAVE IT NOW. THERE MAY BE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BEAN I DON'TED OF THE SCOPE AND JURISDICTION FOR FDOT OR AT A FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT I BELIEVE WE LOOK PRIMARILY AT THE KIND OF HOUR SFWLONL CONSTRUCTION WHEN LOOKING AT

THOSE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. >> IF THE PRODUCT IS DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS THAT ACCOUNT FOR THE SAFETY ISSUES YOU EXPRESSED. UNDER YOU'RE YOURSELF DOMESTIC AND I'M NOT REFERRING TO ANY OTHER AGENCY WITH JURISDICTION. HOW DOES THAT NOT MEET THE -- ADDRESS THE SAFE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN AN OPINION BUT NOT FACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED TO BE A PROBLEM IF JUKTED ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS AND FOLLOWED BY LAW-ABIDING PED PEED TRANS AND

VEHICLE DRIVERS. >> THE AFT ISSUE WES BROUGHT UP WITH BECAUSE, AS YOU SAID, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE BEEN HELD IN ABEYANCE AND MY CLIENT IS NOT ABLE TO SEE THAT.

I WOULD THINK THAT A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE ALLEVIATED. THE ONE ISSUE STILL REMAINING WOULD BE THE EXPOSURE FOR THE MINING AND SAFETY HEALTH, MSHA, MINING SAFETY AND HEALTH

ADMINISTRATION. >> THAT IT IS A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.

I'M REFERRING TO WHAT WE HAVE JURISDICTION. WHAT SAFETY CONCERNS WOULDN'T BE ADDRESSED IF DESIGNED AND INSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO THE REQUIREMENTS.

>> I WOULD SAY TO SEE THE PLANES. I MEAN, THAT'S A --

>> IF THE PLANS MADE OUR REGULATION, WHAT CONCERNS ARE LEFT? OTHER THAN BEHAVIOR OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE GEP TEES OF OUR COUNTY TOO. WHAT MORE CAN YOU REQUESTED OF THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS SAFETY

CONCERNS? >> IF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS MEET COUNTY SPECIFICATIONS AND THERE ARE TRAFFIC CONTROLS IN PLACE, THEN THE SAFETY ISSUING FOR WOULD BE ADDRESSED AS I STATED BEFORE WITH THE EXCEPTION. I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE A VAT AGENCY, BUT THE DECISION HERE DOES OPEN UP EXPOSURE. IT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION OF THE IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE. FOR POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS AND FINES THROUGH THE -- THROUGH

MSHA. >> I DON'T HAVE A LAW BACKGROUND, SO FORGIVE ME IN ANY ANALOGY IS OFF-BASE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE. YOUR APPEAL COULD BE APPLIED TO EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERED FOR A VACANT OR DEVELOPED PIECE OF LAND.

IF A PIECE OF LAND IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR USE FOR SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ICED FOR, IT HAS THE EXACT SAME KRNS FOR ANY OTHER PERSON LIVING, WALKING, DRIVING IN THE VICINITY

ALREADY. >> CORRECT. BUS THE -- PART 1 OF THE DIFFERENCES HERE IS THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT PROPOSED HALL ROUTE RUNS BETWEEN PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY PERMITTED TO BE MINED. IT'S NOT JUST NEXT TO YOUR HOME.

>> IT'S A SEPARATELY OWNED PIECE OF PROPERTY? >>> CORRECT, AND IT RUNS BETWEEN TWO PROPERTIES OWNED BY CLIENT AND PREVIOUSLY WERE PERMITTED BY THIS BOARD.

MAYBE NOT THE EXACT CONSTITUTION OF THE BOARD BUT BY THE BOARD OVER TEN YEARS AGO.

>> OKAY. >> I MIGHT ADD IF -- I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT HAUL ROUTES. IF THERE WAS A POTENTIAL CHANGE, MY CLIENT WOULD PREFER USE OF

CANAL 13 AND NOT 14. >>> COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? YOUR CLIENT WOULD PREFER 13?

>> WOULD PREFER 13 TO 14. >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING IT. >> THAT WAS MINE, TOO. >> WELL, I'M PSYCHIC AND

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ANTICIPATED IT. >> IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT SPLITTING THE PROPERTY, IF HE GOES DOWN TO 13 AND COMES ACROSS AS 17 ALL THE WAY, HE'S NOT DOING THAT ON A PROPERTY PERMITTED BY THIS BOARD, BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE IS PERMITTED BY PUTNAM COUNTY SDM.

>> CORRECT. >> MR. CHAIR, DOES HTD MEET WITH THE COUNTIES'S REQUIREMENTS OR

HAVE ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS? >> WE TECHNICALLY CAN'T TELL YOU THIS THAT.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH WILL HAVE TO BE REFILED TO SEE IF THEY CAN CONSTRUCT AN APPROPRIATE STABILIZED AREA THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, BOTH HOLD THE APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE AND HOLD WHATEVER HALL TRAFFIC DOWN CANAL 13.

>> THAT'S FAIR. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> MY LAST QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS WHETHER THEY CONSIDERED HDT-13, AND WOULD THAT BE AN ACCEPTABLE ROUTE IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A

TERRIBLE ST. LOUIS SOLUTION HERE. >> I WANT TO SAY THIS.

IF IT MEANS ANY DELAY FROM GETTING THIS OVER WITH TODAY, THEN WE WOULD NOT WANT TO GO TO 13 TO 17. IF YOU GENTLEMEN ARE PROVED TO APPROVE TODAY ASSUMING AND REQUIRING THAT 13 TO 17 CAN BE CONSTRUCTEDED DUE TO COUNTY STANDARDS, THAT IT IS 13 TO 17 IS FINE. WE DON'T WANT FURTHER DELAYS BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DELAYED OVER TWO MONTHS IN BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION OF THE MINE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> BASED ON THAT AGREEMENT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT A MOTION IF, IF THERE IS ONE MADE, TO APPROVE OR DENY -- OR DENY THE APPEAL, UPHOLD THE PZA APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S PROFFER THAT CONDITIONAL 13 RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL BE USED TO ACCESS CANAL 17 OF THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICTS DISTRICT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNTY CRITERIA FOR THE HAUL ROAD WILL BE COMPLIED WITH

BY THE APPLICANTMENT -- APPLICANT? >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON, I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING SIS MISS RAVEN KROFT IS HERE. WE'RE AGREEING TO THIS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND HAVE IT RESOL. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO TESTIFY ON THE RECORD TODAY THAT CANAL 13 TO 17 IS AN ACCEPTABLE ROUTE FOR THEM THAT THEY WILL NOT APPEAL YOUR DECISION AND THEY WILL NOT FIGHT IN THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT ANYMORE TO TRY AND

BLOCK ACCESS FROM MY CLIENTS ON THIS HAUL ROUTE. >> YES.

>> YEAH, MR. WILLIAMS. >> WHILE THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED, WE WILL WANT AGREE TO THOSE TERMS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEEK OUR REDRESS WHEREVER WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT IN WHATEVER MANNER THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT.

I STEL DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT SHOULD BE ALLOWS THIS.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT THROUGH -- OR WE ARE THROUGH -- AS LANDOWNERS, AND WE WILL STILL GO TO THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND MAKE A CAUSE BECAUSE THIS IS FAR-REACHING THAN JUST THIS. ANY PERSON ANYWHERE THAT THAT HAS A CANAL RUNNING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF WHO OWNS THAT CANAL RUNNING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE TO THIS. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE COUNTY COMMISSION RECOGNIZE THAT YOU'RE CREATING A SHADOW OF ROAD SYSTEM WITHIN THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY HAS WORKED VERY HARD TO BRING ALL THE DIRT ROADS TO PAVED ROADS, AND THIS IS GOING TO CREATE A BUNCH OF OVER ISSUES. WHERE DOES IT STOP? WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE TO THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT IS TO BRING A FORMAL PROCESS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HASTINGS DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND CLARIFY WHAT THE CANALS CAN AND CAN'T BE USED FOR. IF THEY'RE TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC USE AND ALL THAT.

IF THEY AGREE THERE WILL BE PLACES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT AND MAYBE SAN JOSE COUNTY TAKES THE ROAD. MAYBE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TAKES THE ROAD AND BRINGS THE ROAD INTO

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WHAT MISS SMITH ASKED FOR, NO. >> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> CAN I GO?

BASE ED ON THAT, MISS SMITH WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, 13 TO 14? >> LET'S DO 13 TO 17.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE SPENDING TIME AND MONEY ARGUING THIS ISSUE.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO IT TODAY, AND WE ARE GOING TO REALLY TRY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS

EVEN IF THAT'S NOT RECIPROCATED. >> I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.

>> OKAY. COMMI COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HAD COME

COMMENTS. MR. BLOCKER. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

FIRST OF ALL, MISS RAVENSCROFT YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOUR CLIENT AND DOING THE BEST YOU CAN.

I'VE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES BEFORE. COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS BEEN, TOO. LET ME JUST SAY, AGAIN, YOU BROUGHT AN APPEAL FROM THE PZA. THE PZA ALREADY HEARD THE ISSUES.

I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD AS WELL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THIS.

WE HAD THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY REVIEW THIS AND THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION.

IN THE APPEAL TODAY WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE. SAFETY ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED AND TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ISSUE.

MY CONCERNS ARE AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHY I'M GOING TO VOTE TO DENY THIS AND AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN'S MOTION. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME REVIEWING THIS.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY FACTUAL EVIDENCE BUT COMMENTS FROM MR. WILLIAMS AS WELL.

AGAIN, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FULLY EMBEDDED FROM THE PZA. COMMISSIONER JOHNS ANDED IF YOU PROPOSED A ROUTE. YOU'RE THE LAWYER REPRESENTING YOUR CLIENTED, BUT THOSE THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADRESSED BEFORE WE CAME HERE TODAY. IT'S NOT A CRITICISM BUT AN OBSERVATION. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ISSUE TODAY.

AGAIN, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING APPE APPEALABLE.

I'VE HEARD OPINIONS AND ARGUMENTS ABOUT ALTERNATE ROUTES OR A SHADOW ROAD SYSTEM.

THERE'S LEGITIMATE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE TODAY.

THE ISSUE TODAY IS AS DID THEY -- CAN THEY TURN IT THROUGH THE CHAIR.

DID THE PZA MAKE A DECISION THAT WE CAN FIND A LEGAL BASIS TO RETURN TO.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT TODAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THE CONCERNS THAT YOU AND YOUR CLIENT HAVE RACED, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THIS

BASED ON THE WALL AND WHAT'S BROUGHT BEFORE YOU US TODAY. >> IF I MAY --

>> MISS RAVENSCROFT IF I MAY BEFORE YOU RESPOND. I WANT TO SAY TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, WHAT THE PZA FOUND IN THE EVIDENCE THERE THAT IS BROUGHT FOR YOU TO YOU YOU MAY CONSIDER AND WEIGH. THIS IS A DENOVO HEARING, THOUGH.

TO THERE COULD BE NEW ARGUMENTS -- THERE COULD BE NEW ARGUMENTS AND NEW EVIDENCE, THAT TIME TYPE OF THING. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW THERE'S BEEN SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE, BUT IN OTHER WORD, IT'S A DENOVO. YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS PUT ON THE PLATE OR NOT. EACH OF YOU WILL HAVE TO DECIDE

ABOUT THAT. >> EITHER THAT. THANK YOU.

THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS A DENOVO, AND WE CAN CONSIDER THAT.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING DIFFERENT TODAY. YOU'RE DOING THE DIFFICULT JOB THAT MYSELF, COUNTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE COMMISSIONER HAD TO DO BEFORE.

AGAIN, I'M GOING TO VOTE TO DENY THIS BECAUSE I -- I'VE NOT SEEN YOU BRING ANYTHING CREDIBLE, FACTUAL FOR ME TODAY. I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THE CONCERNS.

WE CAN HAVE ALL CONCERNS AND OPINIONS, BUT WE HAVE TO THIS BASED ON FACTS.

I JU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. >> RIGHT.

IF I MAY, WE WERE GIVEN SIX MINUTES AT THE PZA HEARING. PART OF THE APPEAL TODAY WAS BECAUSE WE DID NOT FEEL WE HAD THE ADEQUATE TIME TO REALLY BRING FORTH THE ISSUES.

>> LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. >> IT WAS SIX MINUTES. THAT'S WHY THIS WAS NOT FURTHER

FLUSHED OUT AT THE PZA HEARING. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU DIDN'T -- THIS IS A FIRST.

UNTIL THES UNLESS YOU BROUGHT IT UP EARLY ON, YOU DIDN'T FLUSH IT OUT.

DID YOU BRING IT UP IN THE OPENING COMMENTS THAT YOU FELT THERE WAS SOME DENIAL OF TIME?

>> NO. I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE APPEAL NARRATIVE, BUT I SDINT DISCUSS

IT TODAY. >> SINCE THAT'S THE -- M MR. RAVENSCROFT DID NOT APPEAR AS A PARTY IN THE UNDERLYING PROVISION IN THE MANS AND ZONING AGENCY TO APPEAR AS A PARTY

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ADDITIONAL TIME WAS GRANTED TO MISS RALFENS KROFT AND HER ENTITY AS A PARTICIPANT, OTHERWISE IT GETS 3 MINUTES. THE PROCESS IS NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.

THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE CHAIR AND WHO CAN EXTENTED TENT IT FOR GOOD CAUSE AND THE AGENCY AT THE

TIME EXTENDED IT FOR SIX MINUTES TO MISS RAICHENS KROFT. >> I APPRECIATE IT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO LEAF A PROCEDURE OUT THERE HANGING. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITHOUT A SECOND. I KNOW FORMALLY SEC THAT. I KNOW CHICOMMISSIONER BLOCKER D

HE WOULD SUPPORT IT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER DEAN OR WAS THERE A

MOTION? >> NO MOTION. I SAID TWICE I WOULD SUSPECT A SMOKE. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER MADE A COMMENT HE WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION. TO BE HONEST, I WAS DEAVERING TO THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER.

>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I MESSED UP. I THOUGHT I HEARD MOTION.

>> I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION IF. SO I WAS RELYING ON MY -- >> MY APOLOGIAPOLOGIES.

MY HEARING IS GOING. >> MINE, TOO. >> MR. CHAIR AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. OF COURSE, EACH OF YOU WILL MAKE YOUR FINAL DECISION TO SUPPORT A MOTION AFTER YOU HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS STILL COMING UP.

THEN -- >> WE'LL OPEN IT UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'LL BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION. I WILL YIELD TO THE ONE THAT SAID HE WILL SUPPORT IT.

GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT, MR. COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I MOVE TO DENY THE PLNAPPL201903 COASTAL AGGREGATES SUPMHA2017-17 UPHOLDING THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND APPROVING SU SUPMAJ2017-17 BASED UPON EIGHT

FINDINGS OF FACT AND NINE CONDITIONS. >> WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CHANGE --

>> RIGHT. I WANT TO CLARIFY. IS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CHANGING IT -- MEP ME OUT HERE. CHANGING THE ROUTE FROM DISTRICT -- DRAINAGE DISTRICT

CANALS 14 AND 17 TO 13 AND 17? >> THAT'S AN AMENDMENT TO CONDITION NUMBER 9 IN THE

PROPOSED MOTION TO DENY. >> THAT WOULD BE ADODOPTED IN M MOTION.

THE HAUL ROAD WILL BE CANAL 13 RIGHT-OF-WAY TO 17. >> AS YOU JUST TO CLARIFY THAT ALL ASSOCIATED MAPS BE AMENDED TO CONFORM TO THE NEW PROPOSED HAUL ROUTE USE CANAL 13 TO 17.

>> YES. >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0.

I THINK WE'LL TAKE A LUNCH BREAK UNTIL 3:00. >> THA

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>>> CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6.

>>> MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR AGENDA NUMBER 6 WE REVIEW THE REQUEST FROM THE RESIDENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS AT MICKLER'S LANDING BEACHFRONT PARK. SO THIS WILL GIVE A BOARD A CHANCE TO LET SHORELINE SERVICES THE USE OF THE MICKLER'S LANDING BEACHFRONT PARK FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS TO FACILITATE A COASTAL ARMORING PROJECT THAT WILL LAST AN ESTIMATED 45 TO 60 DAYS. THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN USED ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS IN THE PAST BY THE PRIVATE RESIDENTS AS A CONSTRUCTION ACCESS SINCE HURRICANE MATTHEW FOR PROJECTS INCLUDING EMERGENCY SAND PLACEMENT, TEMPORARY AND LONG-TERM GEOTUBE PLACEMENT AND REPAIRS AND ADDITIONAL SAND PLACEMENT ACTIVITIES.

I SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THE PARK WAS USED AS FEMA'S DEBRIS REMOVAL AREA IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING MATTHEW. HERE'S A SMALL MAP AND A LOCATION OF THE RESIDENCE.

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THEN THIS IS THE FOURTH REQUEST. IT ORIGINATED IN THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR IN 2019 FROM KEVIN WORLEY ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS. HE'S THE SAME CONTRACTOR WHO HAS WORKED WITH THE COUNTY THE PREVIOUS THREE TIMES. THIS RESIDENT REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR TO PAY FOR ANY DAMAGES ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE OF THE SITE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION ACCESS. SO FOR STAFF TO GO FORWARD WE SEEK BOARD DIRECTION TO REVIEW THE REQUEST AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO EXCUSE AN AGREEMENT TO ASSESS COUNTY PROPERTY. I BELIEVE A RESIDENT IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

RELATED TO THE PARK, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. BILLY, FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, IS THAT ACCESS POINT GOING TO BE USED BY WHOEVER, FEMA, COUNTY, STATE TO ACCESS THAT?

>> IT COULD BE. THAT'S WHY I REFERENCED FEMA USING IT RIGHT AFTER MATTHEW.

GENERALLY THE STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCY WILL SEEK THE COUNTY'S, YOU KNOW, CONCURRENCE WITH WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE STAGING AREA. SO MIKE L MIKE LER'S HAS THE ABILITY.

>> NOT TO BE CUTE. WE CAN'T USE HELICOPTERS THERE. IS THERE ANY OTHER ACCESS POINT

TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF THE BEACH? >> NOT THAT CAN SUPPORT HEAVY EQUIPMENT. NOT THAT'S PUBLICLY OWNED, I SHOULD SAY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> MR. JOHNS. >> JAMES JOHNS: THIS AREA HAS BEEN REPAVED SINCE THE LAST TIME

IT WAS USED, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> AND IS THIS THE SAME GROUP THAT REQUESTED AND RECEIVED APPROVAL OF USE OF THE PARKING LOT IN THE PAST?

>> THIS IS THE SAME CONTRACTOR. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME BUNCH OF RESIDENTS, YEAH.

>> I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT. OKAY. THIS IS THE -- OKAY.

IS THERE A BOND OFFERED WITH THIS REQUEST IN CASE THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH PAVERS NOT PERFORMED

IN A TIMELY MANNER? >> I THINK THE ONLY OFFER IS TO PAY FOR THAT.

HOW THE COUNTY CHOOSING TO PAY FOR THAT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION STILL THIS AFTERNOON.

>> THE QUESTION -- GO AHEAD. THE QUESTION I HAD, BILLY, AND THE THING FROM WORLEY AND THE NEXT TO LAST PAGE WHERE THEY SIGNED IT, WHETHER PROPERTY DAMAGE LIABILITY IT SAYS THEY

WILL ACCEPT NO LIABILITY OF THE NEW ASPHALT OR CONCRETE. >> YOU STOLE MY THUNDER.

>> YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLARIFIED ON THE NEW ONE DOES?

>> YEAH, THE NEW ONE DOES. YES, SIR. >> MR. JOHNS, I'M SORRY.

>> WITH A BOND, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THIS. I DON'T WANT A REPEAT OF LAST TIME WE HAD TO HAGGLE TO GET IT REPAIRED. IS THERE A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD UNDER WHICH IF THIS REPAIR IS NEEDED IS TO BE PERFORMED OR WE'LL DO IT.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CONTRACT SO WE DON'T HAVE A REPEAT OF THE LAST TIME WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GETTING ISSUES RESOLVED. IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST THAT NEEDS MORE SPECIFICITY TO IT SO THERE'S FEWER QUESTIONS SHOULD ANYTHING ON ONE SIDE OR THE

ANOTHER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WITH THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, STAFF IS HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. I'M SORRY. OUT OF ORDER.

STAFF. >> YES, SIR. I THINK IN BILLY'S REQUEST FOR BOARD DIRECTION, IF THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE A BOND ISSUE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT IN THIS AGREEMENT, NOW IS THE TIME TO TELL US. I WOULD THINK PATRICK WOULD AGREE WITH ME. WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW THE NEW AGREEMENTS, SO I THINK IF YOU GIVE US DIRECTION, IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FORM OR CASE OR SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WE NEEDED TO TWEAK FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN NOT FULL

TIME TO REVIEW? WHAT DOCUMENT? >> COMMISSIONER, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE RECENT -- THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL THAT'S IN YOUR RED FOLDER.

I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE PATRICK HAS. I WANT TO BE CAREFUL WE'RE NOT

AGREEING TO SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T THOROUGHLY REVIEWED. >> THAT'S WHEN I HAVE A QUESTION. IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT, THEY'RE BOTH DATED SEPTEMBER 16TH. THAT'S WHAT'S -- I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED THEN.

IF THEY'RE BOTH DATED SEPTEMBER 16TH, ONE SAYS, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE PARKING LOT. THE OTHER SAYS YEAH, VERY CLEARLY THAT THEY WOULD BE

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COMMISSIONER JOHNS AS WELL. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY. WHAT I BELIEVE HAPPENED IS THE REQUESTORS SUBMITTED THE INITIAL LETTER AND PROBABLY JUST CLONED THE SAME LETTER AND CHANGED THAT PART AFTER SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH PARKS AND REC. SO THE DATE MAY NOT BE REFLECTIVE OF IT. IF IT'S THE BOARD'S DESIRE IN THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT IS PRETTY MUCH LIKE IT WAS THE LAST TIME, THE SAME AGREEMENT BEFORE THE REPAIRS HAD BEEN DONE, ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS HAD BEEN DONE TO THE FACILITY, IF IT'S THE BOARD'S DESIRE WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE TO THE AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR SECURITY FOR THE PAYMENT, AND WE

COULD ADD TERMS TO MAKING SURE THAT THE PAYMENT IS SECURE. >> I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION, BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THINGS THOROUGHLY VETTED BY YOU ALL BEFORE THEY COME TO US.

THAT WAS OUTSTANDING TO ME, TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE ASPHALT IS NEW AND NOT CURED AND THE CEMENT IS IN A VULNERABLE LOCATION, HEYWARD CONSTRUCTION AND CFT TRKING CAN BE LIABLE FOR COSMETIC AND PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO NEW PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS, THAT BOTHERS ME.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE MADE WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CHANGED AND ALTERED HERE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGREEMENT HAS A FULL COST RECOVERY. IF NOT, A BOND AS WELL ASSOCIATED WITH IT AS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER JOHNS. MY QUESTION IS THIS.

YOU SAID IN REGARD TO YOUR PRESENTATION THAT IT'S 45 TO 60 DAYS.

WILL THERE NEED TO BE ACCESS AFTER 45 TO 60 DAYS? >> THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS FOR UP TO 45 TO 60 DAYS. THE CONTRACTOR HAS VERBALLY SAID THAT THE PROJECT TAKES 38 DAYS. HE PUT 45 TO 60 BASED ON WEATHER.

AFTER THAT THEY SHOULD NEED NO FURTHER ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT.

>> WHEN YOU SAY NO FURTHER ACCESS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> THAT MEANS IT WILL COMPLETED AT THE END OF THE 60 DAYS. THE LENGTH OF TIME THE BOARD WANTS TO GRANT THE APPLICANT IS

SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DECIDED THIS AFTERNOON AS WELL. >> IS THERE ANY PERCEIVED NEED

EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD FOR ACCESS? >> THAT I DON'T KNOW AND NOR HAVE THEY VERIESED THAT ADDITION EXPRESSED THAT SOMETHING AT POINT.

>> WHILE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE FOR THIS PROJECT, I THINK IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S SAND REPLACEMENT PROJECTS IN AREA, THIS WOULD BE THE LOCATION UNLESS A PRIVATE LOCATION IS ESTABLISHED. THERE'S NO OTHER PUBLIC LOCATION.

>> I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH MY THOUGHT PROCESS. HERE WE HAVE A FACILITY THAT PROBABLY THIS TIME OF YEAR IS NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZED AS DURING A BUSIER TIME OF YEAR.

CAN YOU -- I DON'T GO TO MICKLER'S LANDING ON A FREQUENT BASIS, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE USE OF IT IS WHAT THE TAKING UP OF THIS SPACE DOES IN THIS PARKING LOT FOR NOVEMBER AND

DECEMBER. THAT'S A LONG TIME. >> YEAH.

IT DEFINITELY IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC HAVING HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT. HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT THROUGH THE PAST THREE PROJECTS ON ENSURING SOMETIMES WEEKEND ACCESS AND SOMETIMES EVEN ACCESS DURING THE PROJECT IF THERE'S NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT GOING IN AND OUT.

IT IS SOME OF THE LIGHTER TIMES OF THE YEAR, BUT IT'S THE MAIN -- HAS MORE THAN 240 PARKING SPACES. IT IS ONE OF THE MAIN PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS IN THE NORTH PART

OF THE COUNTY. >> I SAW A MAP WITH IT. HOW MANY SPACES IS THIS -- WILL

THIS TAKE UP? >> IT WILL TAKE UP ABOUT 25% OF THE PARKING LOT.

>> SO 60 SPACES? >> APPROXIMATELY 60 SPACES. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I JUST WANT TO COMMENT BRIEFLY ON THE BOND. I THINK THE BOND WOULD, OBVIOUSLY, BE APPROPRIATE, I THINK TO COVER THAT. AS FAR AS THE LETTER ADDRESSING

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IT LIKES LIKE THERE WAS SOME JUST IN THE REVIEW OF THIS PARAGRAPH HERE, JUST FOR DEALING WITH DIFFERENT ONES HERE. THIS IS THE ONE DATED SEPTEMBER 16TH UNDER THE CLAUSE PROPERTY DAMAGE LIABILITY, IT TALKS ABOUT THE C MET RAMP AND NORMAL WEAR. THIS IS FAIRLY STANDARD LANGUAGE FOR THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE AS A BOARD ARE CLEAR ON IT. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OPTING OUT OF THE LIABILITY.

IT'S NOT SOME TYPE OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR OPINION ON THAT.

>> SURE. ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD IS I THINK AS COMMISSIONER SMITH POINTED OUT, I THINK THE UPDATED LETTER HAS THE SAME DATE AS, I THINK, THE ORIGINAL SEPTEMBER 16TH LETTER DID. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT PERHAPS CONFUSING. ON THE UPDATED ONE, WHICH HAS THE MORE LENGTHY PROPERTY DAMAGE LIAB LIABILITY, JUST READING THROUGH THERE, FIRST OF ALL, I WILL SAY THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT CAN'T BE FIXED, SO TO SPEAK. NOT BE, I THINK, SNUFFED OUT.

I HAVE SOME CONCERN READING THIS SO WORLEY CONTRACT IS REPRESENTING THE 13 HOMEOWNERS IS LIABLE TO REPAIR PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO MICKLER'S LANDING BEACHFRONT PARK'S CEMENT RAMP LEADING TO THE WALKOVER EXCLUDING NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. WE WOULD WANT TO, I THINK, CLARIFY NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR FOR THE PUBLIC USE NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR, AND NOT CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON IT NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. THEN WORLEY SHORELINE SERVICES WILL ALSO BE LIABLE TO REPAIR ANY PHYSICAL DAMAGE OTHER THAN NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR THAT MAY OCCUR TO THE ASPHALT PARKING LOT OTHER THAN DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE NEGLIGENCE ON THE PART OF HAYWARD CONSTRUCTION AND CFT TRUCKING. SO, AGAIN, NOW THERE'S WORLEY, THERE'S HEYWARD, AND THERE'S CFT TRUCKING. IS THAT THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THERE?AYWARD, AND THERE'S CFT TRUCKING. IS THAT THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THERE? WE'RE THE COUNTY, WE'RE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THIS IS COUNTY PROPERTY. I'D HATE TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE SORT OF FINGER-POINTING, THIS WASN'T US. IT WAS THEM. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE COUNTY NEEDS A HERE'S WHERE IT WAS WHEN IT STARTED AND HERE'S WHERE IT WAS WHEN IT FINISHED.

WE NEED TO GET IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS WHEN IT STARTED. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE THE ONE TO HAVE TO POINT, YOU KNOW, WHICH OF THESE THREE PARTIES IS THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF RESPONSIBLE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.

>> I DO. ALSO THE NEGLIGENCE DETERMINED HERE IS A LITTLE ODD.

>> YES, SIR. SO I THINK WE CAN -- I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME STANDARD -- MORE STANDARD LANGUAGE PERTAINING TO THAT. I DO THINK THAT SOME TYPE OF SECURITY, EITHER IN THE FORM OF A BOND OR A LETTER OF CREDIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE A USEFUL TOOL TO HAVE. I WANTED TO ASK SORT OF TIME LINE-WISE.

TODAY IS OCTOBER 1ST. THERE'S A TIME ISSUE IN TERMS OF GETTING THE ACTUAL WORK DONE ON THE BEACH. IS THAT CORRECT? I GUESS I'M ASKING THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF -- I THINK OUR OFFICE AND ADMIN CAN TAKE DIRECTION AS PROVIDED BY THE BOARD TODAY OR, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE IN AN APPROPRIATE TIME LINE-WISE TO TAKE THE DIRECTION AND PUT SOMETHING ON YOUR CONSENT FOR THE 15TH, OR WOULD THAT BE TOO LENGTHY?

>> YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT.

I WANT THEY WANT TO GET MOVING BEFORE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, MAYBE EVEN NEXT WEEK.

>> OKAY. I THINK FROM THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER BLOCKER'S COMMENTS, WE WOULD WANT TO PUT IN A LITTLE MORE STANDARD TYPE OF LANGUAGE, LIABILITY AND REPAIR LANGUAGE. A BOND OR LLC OR OTHER TYPE OF SECURITY. THE OTHER THING, I DID HAVE A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH, I THINK, ONE OF OUR PROPERTY OWNERS HERE, MR. SCOTT PHIPHILL. THERE ARE, I THINK, INSURANCE CERTIFICATES ON HERE TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE NAMED COULD BE INSURED ON THESE

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HERE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> EXPEDIENCY IS IMPORTANT BUT ACCURACY IS MORE IMPORTANT. WITH THE CONFLICTS IN INFORMATION HERE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING A CONTRACT AS PRESENTED. WE ARE THE FINAL VOTE IN THIS.

IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES, I WANT TO SEE THE INFORMATION WE'RE VOTING ON BEFORE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I UNDERSTAND TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, BUT THAT'S NOT IN OUR HANDS BUT STAFF'S HANDS TO PROVIDE COMPLETE AND ACCURATE INFORMATION TO US UPON WHICH TO MAKE A DECISION. HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THINGS SUCH AS A BOND OR THE SCOPE OF WORK IS ONE THING, BUT THE DETAILS THAT ARE APPEARING TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH THESE IDENTICALLY DATED LETTERS AND THE OTHER DISCUSSION WE HAVE IS NOT THE INFORMATION THAT I WOULD WANT TO REVIEW AND SAY YES OR NO TO. WHETHER HOW MUCH INSURANCE NEEDS TO BE COVERED FOR THESE ITEMS, YOU HAVE A WOODEN BOARDWALK TO CONSIDER AND LIFEGUARD STANDS AND OTHER ITEMS THAN JUST THE PARKING LOT AND CONCRETE APRON TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

THE COUNTY ALSO HAS AN OBLIGATION NOT TO PERFORM ANY WORK TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR CAUSING DAMAGE IN THE AREA DURING THE SAME TIME. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO INCLUDE. AS FAR AS THE FINGER-POINTING, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE SOURCE OF A CONTRACT. WHOEVER THEY SUBCONTRACT WITH THEM, IS BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR SUBS. WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO WHICH OF THE SUBS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE CAUSED SOMETHING. WE NEED A CONTRACT WITH ONE ENTITY, WITH A DURATION AFTER WHICH THEIR WORK IS COMPLETE TO HAVE ANY DAMAGE IDENTIFIED BY STAFF AND THEN CORRECTED WITH WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD IN THE CONTRACT SO THIS DOES NOT LINGER.

WE'VE HAD OTHER CONTRACTS WITH THESE THAT HAVE CAUSED A LOT OF TIME TO BE SPENT WITH MISUNDERSTANDINGS AND SOME VERY UNHAPPY CONSTITUENTS IN THE AREA OF THOSE OTHER CONTRACTS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE BUTTONED UP ON THIS AND FUTURE CONTRACTS ASKED TO CONSIDER BEFORE IT'S

PRESENTED TO US. >> OKAY. SO REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO TODAY, THEN, IS SAY WHAT WE WANT ON IT AND GET IT BACK ON THE 15TH AND WE CAN APPROVE IT FIRST THING. I THINK THE DATE I READ IS THEY'RE TRYING TO MOBILIZE IN

OCTOBER. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SO WHAT I HAVE DOWN HERE IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE BOARD AGREES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BOND THAT WOULD COVER ALL THREE ENTITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THE BOND AMOUNT.

I WOULD LIKE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE FOR THE LIABILITY FOR ALL THREE ENTITIES, WHETHER THAT'S THREE ENTITIES INDIVIDUALLY OR AS COMMISSIONER JOHNS MENTIONED THROUGH THE MAIN PARTY AND SUBCONTRACTOR. THEN WE CAN CLARIFY THAT FAIRLY EASILY.

WE CAN INCLUDE A CLAUSE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO BE ADDED AS AN INSURER.

THEY NEED INSURANCE ON THIS, SO WE COULD BE POTENTIALLY ADDED OR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ADDED AS AN INSURER. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE.

THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE NOT TEARING AT THE BEACH HERE. I THINK WE ADD THESE THINGS IN HERE AND CAN PROTECT THE COUNTY AND RESOURCES. THESE ARE PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING THE PUBLIC TO DO. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC PROPERTY IS PROTECTED. MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR STAFF TO DO, THESE TLIE THREE THINGS. AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE HAVE A BOND HA COVERING ALL THE WORK AND ENTITIES AND CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE ON LIABILITY BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT. I'LL DEFER TO YOU, PATRICK, ON THE NEGLIGENCE PART. THAT'S SOMEWHAT ODD. I'LL INCLUDE THE CLAUSES FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO BE ADDED AS INSURED. I WOULD BE PREPARED TO MAKE A

MOTION OR HOWEVER WE NEED TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO BEING FLEXIBLE AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S A BOND OR A LETTER OF CREDIT IN FAVOR OF THE COUNTY? WITH THE TIME CONSTRAINT, THE LETTER OF CREDIT AS LONG AS IT'S

SOME SECURITY FOR THE PAYMENT? >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I THINK THE THREE ISSUES ARE AN APPROPRIATE BOND IDENTIFYING ONE RESPONSIBLE PARTY AND FULL COST RECOVERY.

I THOUGHT THOSE ISSUES KEY RESOLVED BY THE STAFF, SO I WAS PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION INCLUDING THOSE THREE ITEMS. I GET THE SENSE I'M IN THE MINORITY, SO I WILL FOREGO THAT.

I WISH -- BECAUSE THESE 13 HOMEOWNERS, THESE RESIDENTS PROBABLY PAY ON AVERAGE ABOUT

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I THINK THAT IF WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THE 15TH, WE DO. I WAS PREPARED WITH THESE THREE

ITEMS DIRECTING STAFF TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TOMORROW. >> OKAY.

THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE, TOO, YOU KNOW, FOR BOARD DISCUSSION IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT AND PARK FIRST AND TAKE PICTURES AND MAKE SURE THEY SIGN A LETTER SAYING THIS IS WHAT IT IS. THAT WAY IF ANYTHING IS DAMAGED, THEY KNOW THEY'RE LIABLE.

I THINK IF WE'RE DOING 45 TO 60 DAYS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A DROP DEAD DATE TO 60 DAYS WHERE THEY KNOW THE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. ALSO, IF WE HAVE ANY DAMAGES, WE NEED A DATE THAT REPAIRS NEED TO BE DONE BY. THAT WAY WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TO BEAT SEASON LIKE WE WERE LAST TIME AND HALF THE PARK COULDN'T BE USED.

THE WAY THE WEATHER -- IF THE WEATHER IS GOOD, YOU'RE LOOKING AT BEACH SEASON WHEN TPC IS HERE IN MARCH. IT'S KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, THAT CAN MEAN -- IT CAN BE A LETTER OF CREDIT, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE -- MOST OF THE CONTRACTS SOOIF I'VE SEEN IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY IS WORLEY SHORELINE SERVICES IS LIABILITY AND IN THEIR CONTRACT IT FALLS UNDER

THEIR LIABILITY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I THINK THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO. IF WE CAN GET -- I GUESS NOBODY IS HERE FROM WORLEY SHORELINE SERVICES TO AGREE OR NOT AGREE. THAT'S ANOTHER THING, TOO, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN AGREEMENT. >> MR. CHAIR, THERE IS A RESIDENT KIND OF REPRESENTING ALL OF THEM INCLUDING MR. WORLEY.

SO HE'S HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO -- I WAS GOING OFF WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID.

WE TOUCHED ON IT. WHAT WE CAN DO TODAY, WE COULD MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE IF IT HAS THE SUPPORT. WE CAN DESIGNATE OR STAFF TO TAKE THE INPUT WE GAVE TODAY, AND IF THE CONTRACTOR DOESN'T WANT TO SIGN IT, THEN HE DOESN'T -- WE'RE GOING TO LAY OUT THE CONDITIONS THAT WE FEEL ARE IMPORTANT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

IF THE CONTRACTOR DOESN'T WANT TO SIGN OR AGREE TO THAT, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

I THINK THE THINGS WE'VE IDENTIFIED, WE'RE NOT MOVING MOUNTAINS HERE.

THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD STUFF. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN AND MAKE A MOTION AND DIRECT STAFF TO DO THIS AND IF THE CONTRACTORS AND RESIDENTS DON'T AGREE, WE CAN COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS. TO BRING THIS BACK UP AT A LATER TIME TO TAKE UP MORE TIME TO ADDRESS, I THINK WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION TODAY AND LET STAFF -- I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU CAN GET THIS TOGETHER, PATRICK?

>> YES. >> ADMINISTRATION? >> YES, I WAS GOING TO REITERATE THAT. THIS IS TYPICAL STUFF THAT WE DO IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF A DAY.

THE GENERAL OVERALL GUIDING PARAMETERS, WHETHER IT WAS PAY PER DAMAGE OR PAY PER DAY OR SOME OTHER IDEA THAT THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO INSERT INTO THE AGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO I THINK WIE'VE GOT THAT GUIDANCE AND CAN EXECUTE IT NOW.

THE APPLICANT SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD. HE WOULD AGREE TO THE REQUESTS

BEING MADE. >> WE'LL JUST WRAP HIM INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

YES, SIR. >> I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, SCOTT PHILLIPS AT 1065 UPON THE VER BOULEVARD. I'M ONE OF 13 OWNERS IN THIS PROJECT, MAYBE 14 IN IN PROJECT. FRANKLY OUR INTENT IN COMING BEFORE YOU IS ONE TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE FUNDING THIS WHOLE PROJECT OUT OF THE POCKET. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR FUNDS.

THIS PROPOSAL WAS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE FACT WE DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO HAVE ANY EXPOSURE AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR AS-INCURRED COSTS NOW. I APOLOGIZE THERE ARE TWO LETTERS THAT ARE CONFUSING. I'LL TELL YOU THE INTENT AND I'M HAPPY TO LOOK TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO HELP US GET IT THE WAY YOU WANT IT. WE INTEND TO RETURN THE FACILITY TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION BARRING NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR CONSISTENT WITH WHAT NORMAL DAILY PUBLIC ACCESS WOULD DO. IF THAT REQUIRES US TO REPAIR SOME OF THE ASPHALT AND CONCRETE CAUSED BY OUR CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL DO THAT. WORLEY IS OUR CONTRACTOR.

SO ANY SUGGESTION THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH IN SUBS VERSUS WORLEY, ULTIMATELY WE'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WE PAY WORLEY, BUT WORLEY IS THE SOLE POINT OF RESPONSIBILITY WITH US BEHIND HIM. WE'RE THE ONES FUNDING THE BILL. LET'S GET THAT CLARIFIED

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THANK GOD WE GOT OUT OF THAT ALIVE. THE INTENT IS TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE DAMAGE. WE WANT TO MOVE RENOURISHMENT FORWARD, BUT IT WILL TAKE TIME.

ANY FURTHER DAMAGE NICHES HOME VALUES AND CREATES A BIGGER PROBLEM LATER ON.

NONE OF US WANT TO SEE THAT, AND CERTAINLY NONE WANT TO SEE SEA WALLS BUILT BEHIND OUR HOMES.

THAT'S WHY ADDING SAND NOW WILL HELP WITH EROSION. FROM THE TIMING STANDPOINT, ALL OF THE KCONTRACTORS HAVE COST INCENTIVES IN THEIR CONTRACTS. THE SOONER THEY GET IT DONE, THE

SOONER THEY GET PAID. >> WE WERE HELPFUL IT WOULD BE BUILT IN THE SPRING.

DTE RAN INTO DELAYS GETTING PERMITS ISSUED. WE WANT TO GET IT BEFORE NOR'EASTER SEASON KICKS IN IN IN JANUARY. WE FIGURED 45 TO 60 DAYS.

I THINK 60 IS REASONABLE AS AN EXTENT. THE ONLY POTENTIAL NEED TO EVERY COME BACK IS WE'RE BONDED WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO MAINTAIN SAND COVER ON THESE GEOTUBES.

SO WE NEED TO MAINTAIN 5 FEET OF COVER SO WITH ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WHERE ANOTHER STORM COMES ALONG AND WASHES THE SAND AWAY, WE HAVE A BOND WITH THE STATE WHERE IF WE DON'T COVER IT, YOU CASH THE BOND AND DO IT. WHETHER IT'S US OR THE STATE, THAT APPEARS TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO THE BEACH RIGHT NOW. IN SUMMARY, I AGREE WHERE YOUR CONCERNS AS WELL AS THE INSURANCE, WHICH I DISCUSSED WITH PATRICK.

THIS WAS ALL INTENDED TO PROTECT THE COUNTY. TAKE OUR COUNTRY PAST, AND IF YOU CAN GET IT TO THE LIKING I THINK A LETTER OF CREDIT MIGHT BE PREFERABLE AND EXECUTED MORE QUICKLY AND A BOND AND DETERMINE AN AMOUNT THAT'S FAIR AND REASONABLE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR STAFF REPEAT BACK TO US WHAT WE OUTLINED TO US TO MAKE SURE

EVERYONE IS ON THE SAGE PAGE. >> I HAVE THE LIST HERE IF YOU WANT TO DO IS IT.

>> FULL COVER RECOVERY FOR THE COUNTY, A BOND OR LETTER OF CREDIT ON THE PROJECT.

WE WOULD TO CLARIFY LILIABILITY. THE TIME AFRAME SHOULD BE 60S DAYS AND WE WANT A REPAIR DATE FOR ANY DAMAGES DONE TO THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON MY LIST.

>> I WOULD SAY BY THE END OF JANUARY. >> MR. CHAIR, THERE'S ALSO ONE

OTHER CONDITION. A PRE-INSPECTION. >> YES, A PRE-INSPECTION.

>> WE INTENDED TO DO THAT OURSELVES AS WELL AND DOCUMENT CONDITIONS BEFORE.

WE'D MUCH RATHER DO ALL OF THIS IN CONCERT WITH STAFF. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, TOO. I AM HAPPY YOU ALL ARE PROTECTING YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST WE NEED TO PROTECT THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS YOURS.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE TEED NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S PUT BACK THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. MR. WANCHICK CANNING READ YOUR LAST STATEMENT AGAIN.

IT SAYS SOMETHING WITH A PARKING LOT. >> I SAID REPAIR DATE FOR ANY

DAMAGES DONE. I THOUGHT IT WAS A PARKING LOT: >> WE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF ON

DAMAGES. WE WILL DO THAT. >> IF WE MAKE AN OFF COUNTY PROPERTY, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S INSERTED IN THERE. THAT WAY IT COVER ANY COUNTY

PROPERTY IMPACTED. >> I'LL OPEN UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THIS TIME I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2019-329 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO HE CAN COULD YOU TELL A NONEXCLUSIVE PERMISSIVE USE AGREEMENT AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AND FORMAT AS ATTACHED HERETO, AND I WOULD INCLUDE THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY AND GUIDANCE THAT WE PROVIDED THAT WAS REPEATED BACK AUTHORIZING TEMPORARY USE OF COUNTY-OWNED PROPERTY.

>> I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. >> MR. CHAIR, BEFORE THE BOARD MOVES ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, I HEARD COMMISSIONER JOHNS' COMMENTS, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER JOHNS IS RIGHT.

THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE A CONTRACT OR PROVISION THAT'S READY FOR PRIMETIME, SO TO SPEAK.

I THINK THE PROVIDENCE OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE USUAL COUNTY ACQUISITION METHOD AND THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT COMMISSIONER JOHNS, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW

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THAT I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. MISS REGINA.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ITEM IS BROUGHT TO YOU AS YOUR DIRECTION REGARDING THE INITIATIVE TO COMBAT VETERAN SUICIDE PREVENTION.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN A WORKING GROUP OF MOMS IN A COUPLE OF COUNTIES.

THOSE COUNTIES INCLUDE BAKER, CLAY, DUVALL COUNTY AND NASSAU AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER HAS BEEN WORKING WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THOSE COUNTIES TO MOVE THIS INITIATIVE FORWARD. WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET -- MY CLICKER IS NOT WORKING HERE.

THANK YOU. I'LL USE THE TECH SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD.

WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS A COPY OF THE INITIAL DRAFT OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

WE RECEIVED A COPY OF IT THE DAY AFTER THE BOARD DIRECTED US TO MOVE FORWARD.

JACKSONVILLE HAS BEEN SPEAR-HEADING THIS APPROACH OR SPEARHEADING THIS INITIATIVE.

I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE AND THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, AND I'LL USE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND DUVAL COUNTY INTERCHANGEABLY BECAUSE THEY'RE A CONSOLIDATED GOVERNMENT. WE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE DRAFT AND ME ALONG WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, BAKER COUNTY, ALL THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICES HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE DRAFT.

WE HAVE IT IN A FORM. WHAT YOU HAVE IS A PRELIMINARY DRAFT, AND I WON'T ASK FOR ACTION TODAY. I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW. WE'VE ALL SPOKEN, I THINK, UP UNTIL YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY WAS THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE.

WE BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE THE AGREEMENT IN FINAL FORM BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND WILL BRING IT BACK TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT -- WE SHOULD HAVE IT AVAILABLE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. I'LL GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW. HERE YOU HAVE A BACKGROUND AND SOME FACTS BASED ON THE PREMISE FOR THE AGREEMENT. WHAT YOU SEE HERE APPROXIMATELY 20 VETERANS DIE BY SUICIDE DAILY, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.5% HIGHER THAN THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SERVED IN THE MILITARY. FLORIDA IS THE THIRD LARGEST -- FLORIDA HAS THE THIRD LARGEST VETERANS POPULATION IN THE NATION. IN NORTH FLORIDA A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VETERANS RECEIVE SERVICES IN THE COUNTIES. SO HERE THESE COUNTIS HAVE DECIDED OR THIS INITIATIVE IS TO COLLABORATE IN COMBINED EFFORTS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SUICIDES IN THIS AREA. PURSUANT TO SECTION 163.01 THE FLORIDA STATUTES, THE COUNTIES ARE SEEKING TO ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT CREATES A GOVERNMENT ENTITY MADE UP OF REPRESENTATIVES IN EACH COUNTY TASKED WITH COLLABORATING EFFORTS TO REDUCE SUICIDE RATES AMONG RESIDENTS IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. THE PROPOSED NAME OF THIS ENTITY IS THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA FIRE WATCH COUNCIL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT THREE SLIDES HERE, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WILL CREATE THIS ENTITY, AND THESE WILL BE THEIR DUTIES AND POWERS. THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT THEY'RE -- EACH IS PNEUMONIA PNEUMONIAER RATED IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STICK OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ENTITY HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE AND ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT. IT WILL BE A SEPARATE ENTITY. COLLABORATE EFFORTS.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEEK OUT GRANT FUNDING. ONCE THE FUNDING IS RECEIVED, THEY CAN DISPERSE THE FUNDING AND MAKE THE DECISIONS ON IT AND SET UP PROGRAMS AND SERVICES AND CONDUCT STUDIES AND DEVELOP AN OPERATING BUDGET. IF YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES FOR ME. THEY CAN ACCEPT GRANT GIFTS AND OTHER MONETARY ASSISTANCE.

THAT'S TO FURTHER THEIR CAUSE AND TO FURTHER THEIR PROGRAM IF YOU MOVE FORWARD FOR ME, PLEASE.

TWO THING THAT IS THE ORGANIZATION WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCUR DEBT OR TO COMMIT TO ANY NON-BUDGETED OBLIGATIONS, AND THEY WILL HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO OBLIGATE ANY OF OTHER COUNTIES, ANY OTHER PARTICIPATING COUNTIES.

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AS SUCH, THEY'RE WILLING TO SERVE AND PROVIDE THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND SUPPORT, AND AS PART OF THOSE DUTIES THEY'RE OUTLINED BY EACH BULLET POINT.

THEY PROVIDE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND SUPPORT FOR THE WATCH'S MEETINGS AND ASSIST IN FILING FOR GRANT APPLICATIONS. THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE PLANS TO CREATE A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND WHERE THEY WILL RECEIVE FUNDING AND DISPERSE FUNDING. SO ALL FUNDS GATHERS OR COLLECTED BY THE COUNCIL WE WILL BE HOUSED IN JACKSONVILLE AS PART OF THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW CONTRACTS AND PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SECURE THEIR OWN SERVICES. FOR EXAMPLE, PROCURE SERVICES TO CONTRACT, PROCURE SERVICES TO CONDUCT RESEARCH. THE OTHER PARTICIPATING QUARTERS HAVE DUTIES AND OBLIGATIONS AS WELL. EACH PARTICIPATING COUNTY WILL PROVIDE AN INITIAL FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AFTER MEETING WITH THE OTHER ATTORNEYS THE FIRE WATCH'S REQUEST IS TO HAVE AN INITIAL CONTRIBUTION OF $100,000. THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WILL BE CONTRIBUTING $70,000 OF THAT AMOUNT AND THE REMAINING $30,000 WILL BE CONTRIBUTED BY THE REMAINING PARTICIPATING COUNTIES, THE OTHER FOUR COUNTIES. THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CONFIRM THAT AND HAVE IT SOLIDIFIED IN THE INTERLOCAL EACH AT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICES OR IN GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE OR MEETING WITH THEIR BOARDS. I BELIEVE YOU'RE THE FIRST TO SEE THIS AT A MEETING.

WE'RE THE FIRST ONES TO MEET. I BELIEVE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WILL CONSIDER THE LEGISLATION THIS WEEK AS WELL, AND IT WILL BE WORKING THROUGH EACH RESPECTIVE BOARDS.

WE SHOULD HAVE A FINAL NUMBER BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK WE WILL INSERT INTO THE AGREEMENT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT THAT THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT, AGAIN, IS A TOTAL OF $100,000, WITH $70,000 FROM JACKSONVILLE AND THE REMAINING 30,000 DOLL CONTRIBUTED JOINT BY BY THE REMAINING PARTICIPATING COUNTIES.

ANY KCOUNTY CAN RESCIND WITH 30 DAYS ADVANCE NOTICE. THE INITIAL TERM OF THE AGREEMENT IS EIGHT YEARS WITH THE ADOPTION TO EXTEND FOR ADDITIONAL EIGHT-YEAR INCREE MMENTS. EACH COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING A REPRESENTATIVE.

THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE SELECTED BY THIS BOARD AND CANNOT BE A COMMISSIONER FOR PURPOSES OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. THIS CONSTITUTES AN OFFICE, SO IT WOULD -- IF YOU HAD A SERVING ON A COMMISSION, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WILL VIOLATE THE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING. EACH COUNTY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR APPOINTING A MEMBER TO SERVE ON THE PANEL. AS ITS DRAFTED NOW, ST. JOHNS APPOINTMENT OR THE PERSON YOU SELECT WILL BE THE FIRST CHAIR AND WE'LL BE ASKING THAT THEY SERVE FOUR-YEAR TERMS. ONE OF THE OTHER TERMS WE HAVE OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE TERM LIMITS. ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE TERM LIMITS, SO WE NARROW IS DOWN TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON APPOINTED TO THE COUNCIL CAN SERVE AS A FOUR-YEAR TERM OR IF IT CAN BE EXTENDED BEYOND FOUR YEARS. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON. AT THIS TIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE DRAFT AND THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO INCLUDE OUR CLARIFY, PLEASE LET MEKNOW AT THIS TIME. AGAIN, I THINK OUR NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT WILL PROBABLY BE TOMORROW, AND I THINK WE'LL PRETTY MUCH HAVE IT FINALIZED BY THURSDAY.

TLARZ SOME FINE TUNING OVER THE WEEKEND, BUT CERTAINLY A FINALIZED DRAFT BY NEXT WEEK.

I'D LIKE TO CIRCULATE IT TO EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT AVAILABLE BOARD AGENDA AS A FINAL DRAFT FOR YOU TO VOTE ON.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, AGAIN, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES. SO I'M SURE HE CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OF THE DRAFT, FEEL FREE TO ASK.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK REGINA AND OUR LEGAL STAFF FOR THE GREAT WORK ON THIS. PUTTING THE TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT JACKSONVILLE IS MAYBE ADDRESSING THIS TODAY.

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I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN DISCUSS THAT THROUGH THE CLAIRE AND SEE IF WE COULD GIVE SOME GUIDANCE TO STAFF ON THAT SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET IT FINALIZED. BETWEEN THE OTHER COUNTIES THEY COME UP WITH 30,000. MY SUGGESTION WITH 10,000 TO 15,000 MIGHT BE REASONABLE TO CONTRIBUTE. WE NEED TO HASH THAT OUT PROBABLY TODAY TO GIVE SOME

GUIDANCE BACK TO STAFF. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS. >> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, ON TOP OF EPIC K-9S FOR WARRIORS AND OTHER SUICIDE LINES IN OUR COUNTY.

THIS IS VERY BENEFICIAL. I'D LIKE TO ASK WHICH BUDGETING SOURCE THIS WOULD COME FROM.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF JUST PICKING FROM RESERVES, BECAUSE THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE AN ONGOING EXPENSE. THAT NEEDS TO HAVE A DEDICATED, RELIABLE SOURCE FOR IT TO CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I THINK WE HAVE MANY SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT THIS CAN QUALIFY TO COME FROM. I'D LIKE TO ASK WHICH SOURCE WAS PROPOSED FOR THE FUNDING.

RELATIVELY SPEAKING, IT'S NOT A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IT NEEDS TO COME FROM A DEDICATED SOURCE THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE EACH YEAR RATHER THAN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION EACH OTHER AND HOPE THERE'S A BOARD IN SUPPORT OF IT. IT'S EASY TO SAY YES, WE WANT TO SUPPORT IT. IT'S ANOTHER TO IDENTIFY WHERE WILL IT BE FUNDED? IN OUR BOOKS IT SAID THERE'S AN INITIAL CONTRIBUTION REQUIRED. THIS WILL REQUIRE ONGOING FUNDING, AND THEN IN MY BRIEFING BOOK IT SAYS, IS FUNDING REQUIRED?

NO. >> I WOULD THINK OF THAT AS SOCIAL SERVICES DIVISION.

THAT WAY IT'S EVERY YEAR FUNDED. >> I JUST WANT IT TO THE BUDGET YEAR AFTER YEAR.

>> THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO IF WE VOTE TODAY. >> MOVING FORWARD.

>> IF WE HAVE LEFTOVERS THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T USED. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, REGINA, HAVE YOU ALSO HAD ANY DISCUSSION IF IT SHOULD BE A BOARD MEMBER OR JUST A -- I KNOW YOU ALL PUT RESIDENT. I MEAN, ALL THE OTHER COUNCILS THAT SPEND MONEY GENERALLY HAVE

A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD. >> WELL, FOR THIS ENTITY, BECAUSE OF THE WAY ITS SET UP AND THEIR DUTIES AND OBLIGATIONS, A SERVING COMMISSIONER CANNOT PARTICIPATE ON THIS COUNCIL AS WELL AS SERVE AS A SITTING COMMISSIONER. BUT THE AGREEMENT -- ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ATTORNEYS WERE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SOMEONE FROM THE LOCAL VETERANS COMMUNITY, SO IT'S AN ACTIVE -- WE PUT SOME REQUIREMENTS IN. AN ACTIVE OR RETIRED MILITARY MEMBER OR SOMEONE WHO HAS A BACKGROUND IN VETERANS SERVICES. WE'LL ALSO HAVE A POSITION FOR LIAISONS WHERE IF THERE WOULD BE A LIAISON FROM A COMMISSION, FOR EXAMPLE, SO IF ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO SERVE AS A LIAISON TO THE BOARD, YOU CAN ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS AND PARTICIPATE AND GIVE YOUR LOCAL COUNTY CONCERNS. BUT IT'S CLEAR IN THE AGREEMENT THAT THAT LIAISON IS NOT A

VOTING MEMBER OF THAT COUNCIL. >> OKAY. >> ALSO, I WANTED TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER JOHNS' QUESTION REGARDING FUNDING. THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH ME AND THE OTHER ATTORNEYS. THEY REQUESTED -- THE AGREEMENT REQUESTS INITIAL FUNDING.

MY QUESTION WAS, BHAETS GOING TO BE THE ONGOING CONTRIBUTION? ACCORDING TO THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE ONGOING FUNDING.

THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO PROBABLY SPEND ABOUT A YEAR GETTING ORGANIZED, GETTING EVERYTHING IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ADOPT RULES AND SET THEMSELVES UP AS AN ORGANIZATION AND RECEIVE GRANT FUNDING. THAT'S OPTIMISTIC TO THINK YOU'RE FULLY FUNDED BY A GRANT. I HAVE RAISED THAT ISSUE AS FAR AS ONGOING FUNDING AND IT'S SOMETHING EACH OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS TAKE BACK TO THEIR BOARD TO GET SOME DIRECTION.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR IN HERE WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONGOING FUNDING.

THAT'S STILL OUTSTANDING. WE HAD THE DISCUSSION OF THE COUNTIES AGAIN.

I THINK OUR BOARD IS THE FIRST BOARD TO CONSIDER IT. SO THAT QUESTION IS OUT FOR EACH ONE OF THE BOARDS TO BRING BACK. IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN YOUR FINAL DRAFT.

>> THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION. THE LAST THING I WANT IS TO START A SUICIDE PREVENTION ORGANIZATION AND GET PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAM AND THEN

DROP THEM. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> OFF OF REGINA SAID, MY

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YOU KNOW, I THINK THE AMOUNTS WE'RE DEALING WITH ARE FAIRLY MINIMAL.

ALL THE DOLLARS ARE IMPORTANT. I THINK THROUGH -- WE HAVE THE VETERAN COMPONENT IN OUR BUDGET.

I CAN'T THINK OF THE LEGAL TERM RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE CAN BUILD THAT INTO FUTURE BUDGETS.

AGAIN, JACKSONVILLE KIND OF PUTTING FORTH THE STAFFING. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, SO I THINK A 15 OR EVEN MORE CONTRIBUTION TO BUILD THAT INTO OUR BUDGET GOING FORWARD IS IMPORTANT TO COMMISSIONER JOHNS' POINT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THE COMMITMENT IS GOING FORWARD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

SO AS FAR AS AMOUNTS, I WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, $15,000 -- HOWEVER WE WANT TO PHRASE THAT.

YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLARIFIED IN THE AGREEMENT OF WHAT THESE KRIPGS AMOUNTING ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER COUNTIES WANT TO DO.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CODIFY THAT, IF YOU WILL, IN THE AGREEMENT. WHEN THIS IS RENEWED IN EIGHT YEARS IF IT IS AND WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE AMOUNTS AT THIS POINT. I DO HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH HOW THEY'RE DOING THIS. GETTING GRANT DOLLARS AND THERE ARE SOME GRANT FUNDING THROUGH THE VA AVAILABLE FOR THE TYPE OF INITIATIVES. THIS IS ON A LARGER SCALE THAT'S BEEN ACHIEVED BEFORE. BUT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD IDENTIFY THAT OR GIVE SOME DIRECTION SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR HOW DOED THAT SO WE CAN

CLARIFY AND GO FROM HERE. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, I WANT CLARIFICATION AND I THINK REGINA IS BUSY THERE. $100,000 IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND 70,000 FROM JACKSONVILLE AND 30,000 BETWEEN FOUR COUNTIES, BAKER, NASSAU, CLAY AND ST. JOHNS.

IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY. THE EFFORT WOULD BE ONGOING, ALTHOUGH IT'S JUST AN INITIAL STA START WITH. THAT'S WHAT I READ ON PAGE -- DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF 7B, FINANCIAL SUPPORT AS AN INITIAL CONTRIBUTION. THE GOING FORWARD, THIS WOULD FIT IN A HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BUDGET IN REGARD TO THAT.

WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED OUT OF THAT AT ONE POINT? >> YES, SIR.

I THINK MOVING FORWARD IT WILL BE, BUT AT THIS TIME IT'S NOT ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE -- THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE CONTROL TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BOARD AND THIS BOARD WOULD BE REMINDED OF IT IF IT'S A CONTINUED OR RECURRING COST. MY COMMISSION IS, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, YOU SAID THERE'S SOME ILLUSION THIS IS DONE IN OTHER PLACES AND SEEN SUCCESS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT --

>> HOW ARE THEY FUNDING IT? I ASSUME YOU'RE ALLUDING TO A GRANT FUNDING THAT'S DOING IT.

IS THERE STILL LOCAL MUNICIPALITY CONTRIBUTIONS TO MAKE THIS GO? IF SO, HAS IT BEEN PROVEN IN OTHER PLACES? I ASSUME OTHERS IN THE STATE ARE DOING THIS. HOW ARE THEY FUNCTIONING? IS IT SUCCESSFUL IN REGARD TO FINANCING. I'LL LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC SIDE RIGHT NOW.

>> LET ME ADDRESS THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH. THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT HAVE ATTEMPTED INDIVIDUALLY TO ADDRESS VETERAN SUICIDE. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SHORTFALLS WITH THAT BECAUSE THE CONSENSUS NOW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DRAETS AS A REGIONAL MORE EFFECTIVENESS IN ADDRESSING AS A REGIONAL APPROACH. YOU CAN LEVERAGE MORE ENTITIES.

YOU CAN LEVERAGE MORE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, SO YOU CAN HAVE A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH.

AS FAR AS A REGION ADDRESSING IT, YOU HAVEN'T STEEN. THIS IS THE FIRST.

WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IS CITIES LIKE SEATTLE, LOS ANGELES, MIAMI AT ONE POINT DID THIS AS WELL TRYING TO AS A CITY ADDRESS IT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE VA. THOSE HAVE LIMITED SUCCESS, BUT THE TAKE-AWAY WITHOUT GETTING IN THE WEEDS IS A MORE REGIONAL APPROACH IS MORE EFFECTIVE.

>> SO FACTUALLY SPEAKING THERE IS NO REGIONAL APPROACH NATIONWIDE THAT HAS DONE THIS

AND BEEN SUCCESSFUL? >> IT HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE. >> NONE HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL, SO

THERE'S NOBODY TO PATTERN AFTER, WE'RE THE GUINEA PIG ON IN? >> RIGHT.

>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FUNDING. THE FUNDING COMES -- LET ME ADDRESS THAT. IT COMES FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AS WE ALL ARE AWARE OF THE VA, WHICH IS TAXPAYER FUNDING, IS ALSO WEIGHING IN ON THE ISSUES AS WELL.

WHAT THIS APPROACH IS DOING IS TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT OTHER PLACES AND HAD LIMITED

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IT IS BEING ADDRESSED. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LEVERAGING ACROSS THE REGION THE WAY THE EXPERTS HAVE INDICATED WE'D PROBABLY HAVE MORE SUCCESS. WE DEAL WITH IT IN A VERY SMALL VACUUM IN EACH COUNTY. THIS WILL LEVERAGE THAT SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT ACROSS THE BOARD.

TO GET YOUR QUESTION ON FUNDING, IT HAS COME FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT SOURCES AND PRIOR

PARTNERSHIPS. >> WHEN YOU SAID LEVERAGING, THAT'S FINANCIAL?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, YES. THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S WHY -- I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNS, YOU DON'T WANT TO START SOMETHING AND SHORTFALL WITH SOMETHING THIS SERIOUS. YOU HAVE A SUICIDE HOT LINE NUMBER OUT THERE, AND SOMEBODY CALLS IT AND THERE'S NOBODY TO ANSWER. THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FOOLISH. IF YOU BEGIN THIS, IT MUST BE DONE WITH A DESIRE TO GO FORWARD WITH A SOURCE OF RECURRING FUNDING, WHICH CAN BE THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COUNT THERE THAT WE THEN TRADITIONALLY GIVEN FUNDING TO. IT SEEMS TO BE A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT WHEN IT'S AS SERIOUS AS IT IS, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HASTY ABOUT IT AND BE CONSIDERATE OF IT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW IF ANYONE IS SUCCESSFUL.

IF NOT, WE'RE THE FIRST AND SOMETHING WE'RE FULLY COMMITTED TO LONG-TERM TO MAKE SURE IT IS SUCCESSFUL. IT'S KIND OF -- IT'S AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC, BEING SET UP WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS AND IT'S REGIONAL. IT'S DIFFERENT BOARDS WITH DIFFERENT PERSONALITIESES AND DIFFERENT APPROACHES. I MEAN, THE COUNCIL WAS

SUCCESSFUL UNTIL LATELY. >> POINT TAKEN. >> I THINK THAT'S THE DANGER OF THIS. I DON'T MIND STARTING, AS LONG AS WE CAN BACK UP WHAT WE NEED TO COMMIT. I LOOK AT $30,000 DIVIDED BY FOUR COUNTIES AND $7500.

I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE A LITTLE LESS IN POPULATION OR LESS IN VETERAN POPULATION AS WELL, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TOO MUCH EITHER.

I WANT THEM TO BE INVESTED IN THIS AND SEE THEM ENGAGED IN THIS AND EVERYBODY HARMONIZE ON THIS BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION THAT IS KIND OF STUFF. SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP. THAT'S MY QUESTION AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING.

>> I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD COMMISSIONER SUBMIT. COMMISSIONER JOHNS SAID ONE OF THE THINGS TO CLARIFY, MAYBE THIS WASN'T CLARIFIED EARLY ON BECAUSE WE'VE -- THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROGRAM SETUP WHERE BASICALLY IF WE DON'T FUND IT, THERE WON'T BE FUNDING.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT -- AS AN EXAMPLE IN SOUTH FLORIDA THEY HAVE A MILITARY ONE SOURCE THAT BASICALLY IT'S A HOT LINE THAT PEOPLE CALL IF THEY'RE SUICIDAL, AND THEY'RE GROUPS THAT SUPPORT THAT, PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ORGANIZED THROUGH THE VA. REALLY WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS BY CREATING THIS BODY, IT WOULD HELP COLLABORATE ALL THE RESOURCES IN ALL THESE COUNTIES TOGETHER SO WE COULD CREATE SOMETHING SIMILAR LIKE A MILITARY ONE SOURCE.

THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE ALREADY OUT THERE AND OPERATING INDEPENDENT OF OUR -- WHATEVER WE DO TODAY, THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE OPERATING. THIS IS A COLLABORATION TO HAVE A MORE ORGANIZED APPROACH. AS AN EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY MIGHT SUMP FROM MILITARY SEXUAL TRAUMA. THAT PROBLEM SET IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM A -- I HATE TO USE THE TERM RUN OF THE MILL PTSD FROM SOME TYPE OF ENGS PLOWSIVE DRAMA.

THOSE TYPE OF SUICIDAL EVENTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT. NONE OF THE COUNTIES INCLUDING JACKSONVILLE REALLY HAVE A FULL COMPONENT TO ADDRESS IT. YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE GROUP AT ST. JOHNS THAT'S EFFECTIVE WITH ONEISSUE. MAYBE ANOTHER IN JACKSONVILLE.

THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE OF A REGIONAL COLLABORATION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.

IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE DO TODAY, NOTHING WILL GO -- WE WON'T START SOMETHING IF WE DON'T FUND

IT VETERANS ARE LEFT HANGING OUT THERE. >> THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON NOW. WE'RE FUNDING SUICIDAL ISSUES IN IN COMMUNITY.

COMMISSIONER JOHNS WAS PART OF THAT HAVE THE VERY BEGINNING. NOW WE HONE IS MORE TOWARDS VETERANS AND ARE BEING MORE SPECIFIC WITH OUR GLARS AND WE HAVE A LARGE VETERAN POPULATION IN THE COUNTY. THE KEY TO IT IS MAKING SURE IT'S SUCCESSFUL.

I REALLY HAVE CONCERNS COLLABORATING WITH A VA THAT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY FICKLE IN APPROACH TO SERVICE OF OUR VETERAN COMMUNITY. I HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH COMMITTING TO SOMEBODY THAT -- I MEAN, WHO IS RUNNING THIS SHOW? WE HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE THERE. HE'S GOING TO CHAIR THE COUNCIL OR CHAIR THIS PARTICULAR FIRE WATCH COUNCIL. I JUST -- I DON'T WANT TO BE DEPENDENT ON SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE A DECISION. I DON'T MIND WORKING WITH IF I KNOW IT'S SUCCESSFULLY PREMISED,

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WE MAY FIND OUT THIS ONE DOES NOT WORK. WHEN IT COMES TOOT VOTING PART WITH DIFFERENT FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS, IT LOOKS INDIVIDUAL TO EACH COUNTY.

IS THAT THE WAY IT IS? IT'S VERY INTERESTING THE WAY IT IS SET UP.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE FIVE EQUAL VOTES, BUT IT GOES TO EACH COUNTY.

ONE COUNTY IS MAKING A LARGER CONTRIBUTION. >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS AND SOME OF THESE THINGS AGAIN, AND THAT'S WHY THE ATTORNEYS WILL MEET AGAIN.

I SENT A SERIES OF QUESTIONS LAST WEEK, AND THEY'RE VETTING THEM AROUND TO EACH OF -- AGAIN, OUR BOARD IS THE FIRST ONE. THEY'RE ALL ASKING BOARDS XOR FOR GUIDANCE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, REGARDING FUNDING, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS A PARTICIPATING COUNTY DOESN'TAL INDICATE FUNDS IN IN A FACE CAL YEAR, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE.

IS THAT IN EFFECT A REVISION OF THE AGREEMENT, A TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT.

THAT QUESTION IS STILL OUT THERE. THEY'RE VETTING THAT QUESTION AROUND. THE FIRST ANSWER OR THE INITIAL ANSWER THAT I GOT WAS NO.

SO THE COUNTY COULD NOT FUND BUT CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE. THE QUESTION, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED ABOUT ONGOING FUNDING, THE GOAL ACCORDING TO THE STEPH OF JACKSONVILLE, WHICH AGAIN, THIS WHAT THEY'RE SPEARHEADING IS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER FUNDING SERVICES.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER IS DISCUSSING IT. IN OTHER VENUES YOU HAVE A REGIONAL BLOCK APPLYING FOR BIG GRANT FUNDING. A LOT OF TIMES IT IS MORE EFFECTIVE WHEN YOU HAVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY APPLIES FOR A GRANT BUT ALSO ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS PART OF THIS CONSORTIUM OF THE GRANT. IT DOES CARRY A LITTLE MORE LEVERAGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT BIG GRANT DOLLARS AND THE TYPE OF PROGRAMMING, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY -- ALTHOUGH IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC CAUSE, IT'S VERY EXPERT LEVEL WORK.

SO THE AMOUNT OF THE FUNDING FOR THE WORK MAY BE A LITTLE MORE INTRICATE THAN A MAULER AGENCY IS PREPARED TO DEAL WITH. SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE AGAIN IS WE'VE ONLY TALKED ABOUT THIS CONTRIBUTION OF FUNDING. ON FRIDAY THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE SAID WE KNOW THIS ORGANIZATION TAKING A WHILE TO GET UP AND RUNNING AND THAT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLY A YEAR. THIS AGREEMENT MAY BE AMENDED, AND IT MAY BE LET'S SEE HOW THIS GROUP MOVES ALONG AND HOW THE FUNDING SOURCE GOES AND HOW THE SUCCESS GOES.

WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK AND AMEND IT DEALING WITH THE ONGOING CONTRIBUTION.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT IN STRANS FOR DRAFTING PURPOSES AND TO BRIEF YOU.

SO I'VE ASKED THEM TO VET THAT OUT AS FAR AS THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY'S CONTRIBUTION.

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND ME INTERRUPTING YOU ABOUT AMENDING THE DOCUMENT ON THAT POINT.

THAT AMENDMENT, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE TO TAKE TO AMEND IT? WOULD IT TAKE A MAJORITY OF THE COUNTIES? IS THAT -- BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE IN AN AGREEMENT TOGETHER, SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT, BUT TO AMEND IF IT NEEDS AMENDING, HOW IS THAT ACCOMPLISHED?

IS THAT ADDRESSED? HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? >> IN ORDER TO AMEND THE AGREEMENT -- AGAIN BEING WE HAVE MULTIPLE-COUNTY AGREEMENTS. EACH COUNTY HAS TO AGREE TO THE

AMOUNT AMENDMENT. >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 100%? >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 100%.

WE'RE WORKING ON CLARIFYING TERMS. WHAT CONSTITUTES TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT OR A COUNTY RESCINDING. AS OF RIGHT NOW, ANY COUNTY CAN OPT OUT OF THE AGREEMENT ON 30 DAYS' WRITTEN NOTICE. I BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER FACTORS THAT MAY CAUSE THE COUNTY TO RESCIND THE PARTICIPATION. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A COUNTY, SOME OF THE COUNTIES ARE BIG. SOME ARE SMALLER OR MEDIUM COUNTIES. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN'T FUND THIS AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH BUDGET DECISIONS AND THIS DOESN'T MAKE THE CUT.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE PARTICIPATION IN THE CONSORTIUM. WE ARE PLANNING TO FLUSH OUT.

WE BELIEVE BY THE END OF THE WEEK WE HAVE THE FINAL DOCUMENT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

>> HAVE YOU LOOK AT DOING IT LIKE WE FUND REGIONAL COUNCILS BY POPULATION?

HAVE YOU ALL BROUGHT THAT UP? >> THAT HAS NOT COME UP YET. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION LAST WEEK WHEN WE ALL FED IN AND HAD A COUPLE OF ISSUES.

WE'RE GOING TO MEET AGAIN TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY AND SUGGEST SOME THINGS.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN. IT'S A GREAT CAUSE. I DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE

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THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW WE'RE IN THE THING AND THEY WON'T FUND SUICIDE PREVENTION FOR VETERANS.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S STIPULATED IN THE PAPERWORK. >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID ADDRESS. THE SERVING MEMBER WHOEVER ST. JOHNS COUNTY VOTES AS A REPRESENTATIVE CANNOT OBLIGATION SJZ COUNTY FOR FUPDING FINANCIALLY OR OTHERWISE.

>> I FEEL THERE WILL BE MORE FUNDING NEEDED DOWN THE ROAD. >> CORRECT.

>> I THINK JUST KIND OF FALL -- WE NEED TO FLUSH THIS OUT. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT OUR DOLLARS. THIS IS TAXPAYER DOLLARS. WE HAVE TO FLUSH IT OUT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT IS A LOT OF THE FEDERAL FUNDING THAT REALLY -- THE REASON THAT THERE'S THIS IDEA THAT A REGIONAL APPROACH IS MORE EFFECTIVE IS BECAUSE BASED ON THE POPULATION YOU CAN GENERATE MORE REVENUE THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT FEDERAL FUNDING SOURCES. WE AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY CAN'T ATTRACT, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO TODAY, THERE'S NO FUNDING REQUIREMENT TO BE PART OF THIS.

I DO AGREE. I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY IDENTIFY WHAT WE FEEL IS A FAIR AMOUNT AND HAVE THAT ENCAPSULATED IN THERE. THEN AT EIGHT YEARS IT CAN BE REVISITED. WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE. I UNDERSTAND BY POPULATION -- I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED. ITHINK JACK SONVILLE SEES

THEY'RE VESTING IN THAT, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND -- >> IT CAN STILL BE ABOUT 15.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> I'M JUST LOOKING AT WAYS FOR THE FUTURE IF SOMETHING COMES

UP, IT'S HANDLED THAT WAY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE

WHOLE PLAN AND EVENING THE 15,000 IS VERY DO-ABLE TO ME. >> CAN WE GET SOME BOARD CONSENSUS ON THIS SO WE CAN GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT.

>> WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT REAL QUICK. >> OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. >> WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS WE WANT TO KIND OF GIVE REGINA TO WORK

ON BOARD. >> MY PERCEPTION IS WE NEED MORE DETAILS.

IF WE APPROVE THIS AND START, AND THEN THEY COME BACK TO YOUR POINT AND SAY, WELL, THE ORGANIZATION NEEDS THIS MUCH MONEY, THEY CAN'T OBLIGATE IT TO US BUT THEY CAN TURN IT SO IT

LOOKS LIKE IT'S WE'RE THE REASON IT DOESN'T CONTINUE. >> I HOPE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

>> THE STANCE IT'S IN TODAY, COMMISSIONER JOHNS, IT'S NOT HERE FOR APPROVAL TODAY.

IT'S HERE TO GET DIRECTION AND TO BRING BACK AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE ENOUGH DIRECTION TO BRING SOMETHING BACK SO THE BOARD AT THAT TIME COULD FEEL COMFORTABLE.

THAT'S THE STANCE IT'S IN TODAY. >> I WOULD REQUEST MORE INFORMATION BEFORE COMMITTING.

MANPOWER OR FUNDS. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I AGREE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. I WOULD AGREE THAT WE WOULD PROGRESS WITH THIS TO A FORM THAT CAN COME BEFORE US IN A CONSENT AGENDA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I WANT TO KNOW MORE OF THE WORKS, REGINA, YOU HOW IT WILL FUNCTION AND IF THERE'S AN AMENDMENT ISSUE. THAT BOTHERS ME. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A CONTRACT HERE, A SET OF BYLAWS, FULL. IT'S NOT REALLY A BYLAW, BUT IT CAN BE CONSIDERED THAT FOR THIS GROUP, THIS ENTITY. THAT WE ARE JUST ONE-FIFTH, IF YOU WILL, OF IT. IT APPEARS WE'RE ON EQUAL GROUNDS, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A LARGER FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. IF I LOOK AT THIS, IT'S ONE VOTE

PER ENTITY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I SAY ENTITY, THAT BEING INCLUDING THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, CLAY, NASSAU, BAKER AND ST. JOHNS COUNTIES.

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IF NOTS, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DISSOLVED OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.

WITH WE NEED TO KNOW THOSE PARAMETERS AND WHAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO.

I DON'T MIND AN INITIAL COUNTY CONTRIBUTION -- SILL SAY CONTRIBUTION SINGULAR, ONE CONTRIBUTION UP FRONT IS THE ONLY FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. I WOULD AGREE THAT 15,000 DOESN'T BOTHER ME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VETERAN POPULATION. THEY CAN COME TO US IN THE CONSENT AGENDA FORM AND HAVE THAT IN THERE. THAT'S FINE.

I DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE THERE IS LIKE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALREADY SAID, THAT THERE'S RECURRING FINANCIAL COMMITMENT. I THINK THAT THE FUNCTIONAL SIDE OF THIS IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH RIGHT NOW. I SEE SOME THINGS THAT I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT. WHETHER IT WHEN IT COMES TO -- SAY YOU HAVE A $100,000 THAT COMES IN FROM A FEDERAL ENTITY AND COMES INTO THIS ORGANIZATION AND WE WANT IT AS A REGIONAL THING. NOW IT'S DISTRIBUTED. NOW YOU DISTRIBUTE THOSE DOLLARS, BUT HOW ARE -- HOW IS THIS GROUP OF FIVE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE IN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DPENS OF THE DOLLARS? HOW DO YOU DO THAT EQUITABLY? IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT? THAT'S WHERE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WHEN YOU HAVE VETERAN POPULATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT IT MAKES IT EASIER TO BE ABLE TO DISPENSE EQUITABLY. THEN THERE'S ALSO NEEDS THERE THAT ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS AND CERTAIN AREAS THAT MAY BE. WE SEE THAT REGIONALLY AND HAVE IT ESPECIALLY WITH TRANSPORTATION. THAT COMES TO AN ISSUE WITH.

I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE SHORT END OF THE STICK, EITHER, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH.

I WANT TO PUT NUS A POSITION WHERE FUNCTIONALLY UNDER A CONTRACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE AND MANEUVER AND MAKE DECISIONS BUT ALSO I DON'T WANT TO END UP IN SOMETHING THAT'S UNSUCCESSFUL DOWN THE ROAD EITHER. THAT'S MY CONCERN FROM A

PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT. WE NEED CLARITY. >> WELL, I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. I DO THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, THOUGH, IS IF THIS FOR SOME REASON IS NOT WORK BEING, WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO PULL OUT OF IT.

IT HAPPENS. JACKSONVILLE IS DOING THAT. WE'RE NOT ASKING -- THE CONTRIBUTION IS I DON'T AGREE, COMMISSIONER JOHNS, WE NEED NOR DETAILS IN THE SENSE OUR COMMITMENT TO THIS IS VERY SMALL. I KNOW THAT WE WOULD SHY AWAY FROM THIS. WE CAN'T ANSWER EVERY SINGLE QUESTION ON EVERY SINGLE ISSUE WITH THIS. THE REASON TO SET UP THIS REGIONAL APPROACH IS WE'RE IN UNCHARTERED WATERS. THEY WILL HASH IT OUT. MY CONCERN IS WE NOT OVERCOMMIT THE COUNTY. I THINK INITIAL CONTRIBUTION OF 15,000, AND I THINK IF WE CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE IT CLEAR, IF WE DON'T LIKE IT OR IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL, THERE'S A MECHANISM ON THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE AMENDMENTS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.

I THINK OUR STAFF CAN DO THAT. AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE RENEWAL PERIOD, IT RENEWS AFTER EIGHT YEARS. THE COUNTY IS PROTECTED. OUR VETERANS ARE PROTECTED.

WE'RE NOT ABANDONING VETERANS IF WE WITHDRAWAL FROM THIS. TAKE A BOLD STEP AND JUMP INTO THIS AT A MINIMAL COST AS WELL. WE'RE NOT REALLY PUTTING US OR TAXPAYERS ON THE HOOK HERE.

THIS IS A GRANT WE CAN GET OUT OF IF WE NEED TO. WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS. I THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH ELOQUENTLY ADDRESSED SOME OF THAT. I'D ASK THE BOARD FOR US TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION AND CLARIFY WHAT DIRECTION WE GIVE AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET IT CLARIFIED BY THE NEXT MEETING AND MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REWORKING THE WORLD HERE.

THIS IS OTHER COUNTIES MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. I THINK WE CAN JOIN THEM IN THIS EFFORT. IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL GO OUR OWN WAY ON THIS.

IT HASN'T BEEN TRIED BEFORE. I'M INTO BOLD, NEW IDEAS AND WE CAN TAKE A STAB AT IT.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> EXCUSE ME. I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE $15,000 FIGURE, SO I WOULD -- AS FAR AS CONSENSUS, I'M WITH COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. IF WE'RE PREPARED TO MOVE AHEAD, LET'S MOVE AHEAD.

IF WE HAVE A CON SENSE. CONSENSUS. >> THAT SHOULD BE CONSTRUED AS

UP TO 15,000, RIGHT, DEPENDING ON THE NEGOTIATIONS. >> ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. >> IF YOU CAN GET MORE MONEY OUT OF THE OTHER COCOUNTIES, I WOUL.

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I WOULDN'T OVERCONTRIBUTE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF I MAY.

I'M SPEAKING AS A COUNTY ATTORNEY AND VETERAN, TOO. THERE ARE SOME THINGS AND RECOGNITION OR THAT TYPE OF THING. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS SO MUCH.

I THINK IT'S MORE OF AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE LIVES FRANKLY AND THERE ARE OTHER SUICIDAL PREVENTION PROGRAMS. THE VETERANS AFFAIRS HAS A PROGRAM, BUT AGAIN, RHETORICALLY SPEAKING RAISE RUR HAND IF YOU HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE IN ALMOST ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH D.C. THESE DAYS. I THINK THE VA DOES A GREAT JOB ON MANY THINGS, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S GOD TO HAVE A LOCAL TREATMENT. THE OTHER THING IS THERE ARE SOME OTHER LOCAL ENTITIES THAT FORTUNATELY HAVE SUICIDE PREVENTION PROGRAMS. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THE VETERANS HAVE SORT OF A KIND OF A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE, I THINK, THAN WANT GENERAL POPULATION FOR SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

FROM MY REVIEW OF THIS, THE INTENT, I THINK, IS TO HAVE KIND OF A LASER FOCUS ON THE VETERANS SUICIDE, BECAUSE IT'S IN SOME WAYS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE GENERAL, UNFORTUNATE, PUBLIC BURDEN WE HAVE WITH SUICIDE IN GEN GENERAL.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS, PULL OUT AT ANY TIME IN 30 DAYS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LESSONS LEARNED FROM THIS THING. THIS MAY TURN OUT TO BE A MODEL FOR THE NATION. IT MAY TURN OUT TO BE NOT. I THINK THAT -- I DO THINK REGINA AND HER TEAMMATES FROM THE OTHER COUNTIES, AYE I'VE SEEN FROM ALL THE E-MAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND WHATNOT, I THINK THEY TRIED TO GET THIS READY TO GO.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THOSE NOTES. YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- I DON'T HAVE A SORT OF LEGAL CONCERN ABOUT, AGAIN, THE LIABILITY. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED.

COMMISSIONER -- MR. CHAIR WAD DRON, I DID HEAR YOUR COMMENT IF THIS STARTS OFF, AND IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE NOT AS SUCCESSFUL AS HOPED, THAT TYPE OF WITHDRAWING, THERE MAY BE SOME, YOU KNOW ANGST ABOUT THAT. THAT'S VERY FEW THINGS IN LIFE ARE SORT OF RISK-FREE TOTALLY.

I THINK IT'S THAT, AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION TODAY JUST SPEAKS AS YOUR BOARD COUNCIL, I THINK -- BOARD COUNSEL IS ILLUMINATING AND HELPFUL FOR REGINA WHEN THEY TALKS TO OTHER COUNTIES ABOUT IT TO BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING FOR YOUR FINAL APPROVAL OR NOT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO SEE IF I CAN SUMMARIZE. I THINK WE'RE ON BOARD. WE NEED SOME CLARITY TO OUR QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN C ASKE IN THE MEETING SO WE CAN MOVE ON.

I THINK WE'RE ON BOARD IF I'M RIGHT. >> I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, DOES STAFF HAVE ENOUGH CLARIFICATION WHERE YOU ALL CAN PRODUCE A WORKABLE DOCUMENT AND HOPEFULLY WE COULD, OBVIOUSLY MEET WITH YOU BEFORE OUR MEETING? IF POSSIBLE THROUGH THE CHAIR CAN WE ASK THEM TO RECITE IT BACK?

>> YES. GIVE US A -- >> ABSOLUTELY.

WE PLAN TO TALK EITHER TOMORROW OR WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK. WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE HAVE A PRETTY CLOSE TO FINAL IF NOT FINAL DOCUMENT BY FRIDAY. AS SOON AS I HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN HAND, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I CIRCULATE IT TO EACH ONE OF US AND HAVE A CHANCE TO TOUCH BASES WITH YOU TO SEE IF YOU HAVE DISHL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.

WE'LL HAVE THE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA IN A FINAL FORM FOR YOUR APPROVAL IN THE NEXT MEETING.

>> I THINK COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, ARE YOU ASKING FOR SOME OF THE DIRECTION THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY?

REGINA, YOU MAY HAVE MORE NOTES THAN ME. >> I HAVE IT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH'S CONCERNING REGARDING ONGOING FUNDING AS WELL AS HOW IT WILL BE HANDLED.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S CONCERN ABOUT HOW IT'S MADE, BY POPULATION OR A FORMULA FOR.

THE INITIAL CONTRIBUTION AMOUNT, WHICH I JUST HEARD WAS 15,000. YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, AND THEN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE RAISED,

WE'LL HAVE THOSE TIGHTENED UP. >> MAYBE IF YOU COULD MEET WITH US ALL INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE THE

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MEETING. >> I'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH YOUR OFFICE TO SCHEDULE

APPOINTMENTS WITH EACH ONE OF YOU. >> EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THIS?

>> YES, SIR. >> MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.

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>> CHAIR, COMMISSION, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS IT MICHAEL RYAN.

I'M YOUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS. I'M HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO PRESENT THE 2020 DRAFT LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN. DON'T LET THE SIZE OF THE CROWD DICTATE YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW IMPORTANT THE INFORMATION IS. IT'S ABOUT A FOUR-MONTH PROCESS FOR US. IT BEGINS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS. WE ALSO SUBMIT LETTERS OF SUBMISSION TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

YOU HAVE A DRAFT IN YOUR PACKET, AND I HAVE A QUICK POWER POINT TO SUPPLEMENT THIS.

THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS WITH US. WE COORDINATED WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LOBBYISTS, AND WE -- THERE ARE TWO PURPOSES BEFORE US TODAY.

THE CHAIR WILL PRESENT THE FINAL LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN TO THE LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION IN NOVEMBER. WE WERE ASKED TO PRESENT THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES TO THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL, AND I'LL HAVE DATES AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION ON THOSE. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN IS BROKEN INTO SEVERAL LARGER AREAS. THESE CHANGE VERY INFREQUENTLY, EVERY YEAR THERE'S CHANGES AND NEW TOPICS AND STUFF. FOR THE MOST PART THEY FIT IN THE GENERAL CATEGORIES. I TOLD REGINA THE CLICKER WOULD WORK FOR ME AND NOT HER.

THIS YEAR WE HAVE SIX NEW ITEMS. THEY'RE IN FRONT OF YOU. I WON'T GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST. IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THE FIRST ONE IS INCREASED LOCAL CONTROL FOR SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTALS. THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY BOTH THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. IT'S KIND A MERGED VERSION OF THEIR TWO REQUESTS. THE LAST ONE IS IS FOR THEM. THAT'S DIRECTLY TO ADMINISTRATION, AND IT WAS SUBMITTED INTO THE DRAFT ON BEHALF OF IT ITSELF.

THE FOUR IN THE MIDDLE WERE GIVEN BY STAFF. THEY'RE RECEIPTED TO THE ONGOING CHANGES WITH BEACH RESTORATION. THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES AS OF LAST YEAR WERE TRANSPORTATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT/AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE WATER QUALITY AND CONSERVATION.

I'LL STEP BACK TO THIS SLIDE IN A MOMENT. THESE ARE THE TWO REQUESTS BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY TO ADOPT WANT 2020 DRAFT PLAN FOR COMMISSION TO THE LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION ON NOVEMBER 2020 -- NOVEMBER 22, 2019, AND THEN ADOPT THE TOP THREE OUT OF THE PRIOR LIST. THIS IS THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION TODAY.

STAFF IS HERE TO STEP ANY EDITS, REVISIONS, UPDATES, ANY NEW ITEMS OR ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS

ABOUT THE LIST PRESENTED BEFORE YOU. >> OKAY.

YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CAN YOU TAKE IT TO THE ONE WITH THE TOP THREE ON IT. ?

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT ONE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE

TOP THREE? >> NO, SIR. >> ARE YOU GOOD?

OKAY. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8. SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA

ITEM NUMBER 8. >> OKAY. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE 2020 ST. JOHNS COUNTY LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN IN THE TOP THREE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FOR THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL PRIORITY GUIDE.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE'LL GO ANOTHER TEN MINUTES. NOW WE'LL GO BACK TTO --

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>> THE SUPPORT FOR THE QUALIFIED HEALTH CENTER. IS THAT THE ONE WE'RE ON NOW?

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>> SO THERE IS A LETTER FOR SUPPORTING THE FEDERAL QUALIFIED HEALTH CENTER TO BE LOCATED WITHIN WEST AUGUSTINE AREA. AS REQUESTED BY WEST AUGUSTINE HISTORICAL CDC, THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO THE CHAIR, AND SO WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9? >> SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9. >> THE ONE COMMENT I WOULD MAKE JUST TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD IS WEAR AND MAYBE MS. ANDREWS CAN CLARIFY THIS, THE VERY LAST PART AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH WITH THE LAST FEW WORDS, IT OFFERS FULL SUPPORT FOR AVAILABLE FUNDING OPPORT OPPORTUNITIES. DOES THAT MEAN -- JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DOES THAT MEAN THE COUNTY OFFERS FULL SUPPORT FOR AVAILABLE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES? I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS.

>> IF THERE WAS ANY CONFUSION, SO THE INTENT WAS TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORT TO APPLY FOR ANY FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES ON THEIR OWN. SO IT DOES NOT REALLY IMPLY ANY FUNDING OBLIGATION FROM THE

COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. >> POSSIBLY JUST -- I GUESS THAT

COULD BE WORD SMITH A LITTLE BIT JUST SO THAT'S NOT -- >> EVERYBODY GET WHAT WITH LEGAL

AND CHANGE A FEW WORDS? >> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LETTER?

WE'LL HAVE THE ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNCIL SIGN THE LETTER. >> WE WILL DIRECT THE ADMINISTRATOR AND CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THE ATTACHED LETTER TO ITEM 9.

>> I'LL SECOND. A MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

>> I'M SORRY. I HIT THE WRONG ONE. I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON.

>> DO YOU WANT US TO REVOTE. >> I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON ON MY MOTION.

> OKAY. EVERYBODY VOTE AGAIN. THAT PASSES 5-0.

I CAN'T VOTE NO ON MY MOTION. >> ARE WE GOING BACK TO DISCUSS THE PRIDE PROCEDURES?

>> COMMISSIONER, I CAN VERY QUICKLY COMMENT ON THE PRIDE CONCERN THAT WAS EXPRESSED THIS MORNING. I THINK AS COMMISSIONER DEAN CORRECTLY MENTIONED, IF SOMEBODY SUBMITS SOMETHING TO THE COUNTY IN WRITING WITH THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION ON IT, WHETHER IT'S THEIR ADDRESS OR E-MAIL, THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD. WE CAN'T COVER THAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE YOU SUBMIT THE PRIDE COMPLAINT, IT SAYS THEY CAN BE SUBMITTED ANON ANONYMOUSLY IF YOU SO DESIRE. SOMEBODY DIDN'T EXERCISE PERHAPS THE CAUTION THEY SHOULD HAVE.

EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE REPLACING PRIDE WITH A NEW SYSTEM THAT WILL HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN IT. SO I THINK WE'LL BE SENSITIVE IN SETTING UP THAT SYSTEM.

MAYBE PUT MORE OF A SPECIFIC DISCLAIMER SO PEOPLE WITH CLEAR THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW THAT THEIR INFORMATION ONCE SUBMITTED DOES BECOME PUBLIC.

>> OKAY. EVERYBODY GET WITH THAT? WE'LL JUST LOOK AT THE NEW SYSTEM AND TRY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS?

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> FOLKS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHATEVER IS SUBMITTED TO US IN ANY FORM IS PUBLIC RECORD. HELP ME IN I MISUNDERSTOOD. DID STAFF TAKE A LETTER AND PUT IT INTO PRIDE? DID THAT HAPPEN? DID THE RESIDENT PUT THIS INTO

PRIDE? >> COMMISSIONER, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT PARTICULAR

QUESTION.PRIDE? >> COMMISSIONER, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT PARTICULAR

QUESTION. EITHER WAY IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC RECORDS. PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.

THEY THINK IT'S MORE CONFIDENTIAL AND GOES TO A PERSON AND IS NOT PUBLIC RECORD.

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I MAY HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT, AND IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD THINK COULD AND PROBABLY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, AND I DIDN'T -- MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD IT.

>> IT COULD BE NOT -- IT COULD BE WHERE IF WE GET A LETTER, STAFF KNOWS IT'S PUBLIC RECORD, BUT STAFF CAN CALL THE PERSON AND SAY, DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE A PRIDE COMPLAINT? IF YOU MAKE A PRIDE COMPLAINT, IT WILL HAVE YOUR NAME ADDRESS. THERE'S MORE WORK THAEN PROBABLY

STAFF WANTS TO DO. >> IF SOMEBODY SENDS A LETTER AND WE CALL THEM, WE STILL HAVE POSSESSION OF THAT LETTER AS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A REQUEST FOR THE FILE RELATED TO THE COMPLAINT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SETTING UP THE NEW SYSTEM, AND WE'LL BE SENSITIVE AND SEE WHAT SAFEGUARDS WE CAN BUILD IN INCLUDING MAKING SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAYS.

IF YOU SUBMIT A DOCUMENT, IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. NONE OF THEM ARE IMMUNE TO THAT.

>> I GET E-MAILS TO TAKE THE SURVEY SAYING IT'S PRIVATE. IF YOU DO IT ON YOUR COUNTY

PHONE, THERE'S A PUBLIC RECORD. >> THERE'S NO PRIVATE. >> THAT'S FROM OTHER GOVERNMENT

ENTITIES. >> WE'LL FOLLOW-UP ON IT. >> OKAY.

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WAS REVIEWING THE LETTER THAT'S DATED SEPTEMBER 27TH FROM JEA WHICH IS RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL OF JEA ASSETS, AND IT INCLUDES WITH ACCEPTING THIS LETTER OF FORMAL NOTICE OF THE 90-DAY PERIOD THEY WANT ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO COMMIT SUBMIT TO MAKE AN OPTION UNDER THE AGREEMENT. I WANTED TO ASK LEGAL IF THIS IS LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE IF THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED TO US THE DOCUMENTS REQUESTED AND NOT YET PROVIDED

UNDER OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH JEA? >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT. IT MAY VERY WELL BE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE THE PREDICATE TO GIVE THE NOTICE AND IT MAY NOT BE EFFECTIVE. WE'RE VETTING THAT ISSUE.

AS I SEE IT RIGHT NOW IT APPEARS TO ME IT IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE NOTICE, BUT WE'RE STILL VETTING

THAT. >> ANY FEEL FOR WHEN WE'LL HAVE THAT DECISION?

>> I THINK WITHIN THE WEEK. >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. THE UTILITIES HAS THEIR OWN SPECIAL COUNSEL THEY USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS'S OFFICE.

PATRICK HASN'T HAD THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE LETTER THAT OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL HAS.

THEY DON'T AGREE WITH JEA'S ASSE ASSESSMENT.

WE ALREADY DRAFTED A LETTER TO SEND BACK TO JEA IN THIS REGARD, AND YIET FRANKLY, WE TAKE EXCEPTION TO SOME OF THE STATEMENTS IN THAT LETTER. IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO REACH CONCLUSIONS TO QUES QUESTIONS QUESTIONING THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO PURCHASE THE SERVICE AREA BASED ON INFORMATION THEY'RE TELLING US THAT ISN'T READILY AVAILABLE. SO WE'LL BE RESPONDING APPROPRIATELY AFTER WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL GET WITH PATRICK'S OFFICE.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE KEPT IN THE LOOP, BECAUSE SUCH A HIGH PERCENTAGE. NORTHWEST DISTRICT IS AFFECTED BY THIS.

PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. I WANT TO HAVE INFORMATION TO

PROVIDE TO THEM THAT'S FACTUAL AND NOT SOCIAL MEDIA-BASED. >> IT'S ONCE IN A GENERATION

KIND OF ISSUE. >> IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. >> ABSOLUTEY.

WE MAY DECIDE IT'S IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST. WE MAY DECIDE IT'S NOT.

WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION ON JEA AND ANOTHER ISSUE IN MY MIND THAT'S BEEN THERE ALL ALONG, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT, I GUESS, PURCHASING WHATEVER JEA'S INTEREST HAS IN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY SERVING OUR RESIDENTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IF WE CAN AGREE ON A FIGURE.

I'VE HEARD SOME PRETTY SFASHL NUMBERS TOSSED ARND, BUT THE REAL ISSUE OR AN EQUALLY BIG ISSUE IN MY MIND IS IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DUVAL COUNTY AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THIS WHOLE THING GOT SET UP THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE AS A COUNTY WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVE PLANTATION, AND THE OTHERS. SO ALL THE PIPES RUN FROM JEA PLANTS SOUTH AND THEN TURNING AROUND AND SENDING WASTEWATER BACK.

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THERE'S SOME BIG ISSUES HERE, NOT JUST WHAT WE WOULD PAY THEM BUT HOW WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE SYSTEM. IT'S SORT OF ALL POINTED TOWARDS JEA'S MAIN MOTHER SHIP, NOT US.

I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, OUR ORIGINAL AGREEMENT FROM 20 YEARS AGO ANTICIPATED THAT. SO IT'S ALREADY A CONCEPT THAT IS ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE EXISTING AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH JEA.

IT SAYS -- THEY'LL PROVIDE US THOSE QUANTITIES AT THE WHOLESALE RATE.

SO IT'S ALREADY SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY BUILT IN. NO BIG SURPRISES THERE.

>> THAT'S ENCOURAGING. >> I WOULD ADD THAT BILL AND HIS STAFF HAVE ALREADY ANTICIPATED WORKING ON THOSE ISSUES. SO WE'RE -- THERE'S A LOT OF WORK DONE ON OUR SIDE OF THE

HOUSE IN ANTICIPATION FOR THE COMING DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I JUST DON'T HAVE A LETTER BEFORE ME.

HAVING READ THE LETTER AND JUST IN RECOLLECTION, THERE WERE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS MADE THAT I THOUGHT WERE NOT SUBSTANTIATED FOR ME ESPECIALLY AND THERE WAS NUMBERS THROWN IN THERE.

WE COULDN'T GET A CON SUFRMIVE USE PERMIT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT IT VERY POLITELY. I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY INSULTING THING TO SAY. I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NUMBERS THERE WHEN I READ IT AS A COMMISSIONER NOT HAVING THE CONTRACT BEFORE ME, I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIATED THALTD ACTUALLY VALIDATE THIS IS A LEGITIMATE NUMBER AND OFFER.

TO SAY THAT WE'RE -- THAT THIS LETTER IS SAYING THAT WE'RE, I GUESS, NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS DEAL IS KIND OF BOTHERSOME TO ME. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT DOES IN READING THE CONTRACT KNOWING THE NUMBERS AND HAVING THAT SUBSTANTIATED AND HAVING LEGITIMATE VALUE PLACED THERE. I ALSO THINK THAT, TOO, FROM A STANDPOINT I'D LIKE TO ALSO NOTE FROM OUR STAFF WHAT IS THE TRUE PROBABILITY OF BEING ABLE TO SECURE A CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT TO COVER THAT VERSUS WHAT THEY HAVE.

THEY HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S COMING OUT OF THAT RESERVOIR THEY HAVE, THEIR CUP.

I JUST -- I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK BY READING IT INITIALLY, AND COMMISSIONER JOHNS, I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING IT BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT WAS COVERED. YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE ON GOOD LEGAL GROUNDS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BETTER NUMBERS FROM OUR PEOPLE.

IF THEY WILL GIVE US THE NUMBERS WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION. >> COMMISSIONER, THOSE NUMBERS ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND JEA.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS EARLIER THAT THEY'RE MAKING STATEMENTS BASE ODD DATA THAT THEY TELL US ISN'T READILY AVAILABLE.

I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE OPERATING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S BEST INTERESTS, QUITE FRANKLY.

WE KNOW WHO DOES, AND THAT'S THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE. WE WANT TO A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE EVALUATION JUST LIKE THE COMMISSION IS TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR POSITION,

AND WE DON'T THINK THE 90 DAYS HAS STARTED. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.

IS THIS -- WILL THIS REACH A POINT WHERE WE TAKE THIS INTO THE SHADE AND DISCUSS BECAUSE

IT'S A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION? >> NO. THE ONLY TIME THIS BOARD CAN GO INTO SHADE FOR THIS TYPE OF DISPUTE IS IF THERE IS ACTUAL LITIGATION, PENDING LITIGATION.

I THINK JUST IN PREPARATION GENERALLY IT'S NOT A BASIS. OF COURSE, YOUR UNION CONTRACTS, THE BOARD CAN DO THAT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES. FOR THIS MATTER, NO.

>> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST PROBABLY HAVE IT SOMEWHERE, FIND IT, ANOTHER COPY OF THE FIRST AGREEMENT IF YOU COULD E-MAIL IT TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS SO WE CAN KIND OF START TO READ IT A LITTLE MORE SERIOUSLY. GET READY, YOU KNOW.

>> IT'S THICK. I'VE READ IT. >> YEAH.

ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER JOHNS? >> NO, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> NO, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NOPE. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I HAVE FOUR THINGS.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT, THEY'RE BEING PLANTED AND CABBAGE IS THE GROUND AND BROCCOLI AND GOOD

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SOD IS MOVING WELL. EXPERIMENT STATION HAS DUG SOME OF THE SWEET POTATOES AND LOOKING GOOD. A TRIAL OF FALSE SWEET CORN IS IN AND PLANTED.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE B EVERYBODY TO BE VIGILANT AND YIELD TO FARM EQUIPMENT.

BE SAFL ON THE ROADS AND BE ACKNOWLEDGING OF OUR FARMERS AND COMMUNITY.

I'LL OFFER MY DEEPEST HEART TELT CONDOLENCES TO THE PASS R OF SHARON REGISTER.

A HASTINGS BUSINESSMAN GRABBED ME ON FRIDAY AND SAID, JEB, WE LOST A FINE LADY.

I BELIEVE WE SUMMED IT UP. SHE WAS A FINE, CHRISTIAN LADY. THIRD THING ON THE LIST IS THE SUNBELT AGO EXPOSITION ALTHOUGH SPENCE AIRFIELD IS OCTOBER 15TH THROUGH THE 17TH.

THAT'S IN GEORGIA, AND I'D ENCOURAGE ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THE NEWEST UP-TO-DATE EQUIPMENT TO GO. FOURTH THING I HAVE ON MY LIST IS CRACKER DAY.

THAT'S ST. JOHNS COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS OCTOBER 19TH. AT THAT THERE WILL BE BASICALLY A REJUVENATION OF THE AGRICULTURAL HALL OF FAME. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT,

MR. CHAIRMAN. >> OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TODAY.

I THINK WE'VE COVERED IT ALL. ADMINISTRATION? LEGAL? EVERYBODY GOOD?

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