[1. ZVAR 2024-34 2253 Whippoorwill Drive. Request for a Zoning Variance to Table 6.01 of the Land Development Code to allow for Side Yard setback of two (2) feet in lieu of the required eight (8) feet to accommodate placement of a carport in Residential, Manufactured/Mobile Home or Single Family [RMH (S)] zoning]

AND IS THERE ANY EXPARTE FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? YES, MISS SPIEGEL. YES, MADAM CHAIR, I DID A SITE VISIT THIS MORNING, AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PAUL SHELLITO.

WHO IS THE APPLICANT? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT MR. SHILLITOE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND AGENCY MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS PAUL SHILLITOE, AND I LIVE AT 2253 WHIPPOORWILL DRIVE.

I AM ASKING FOR. I'M REQUESTING A RELAXATION OF SETBACK TO INSTALL A CARPORT THAT WILL BE SUPPORTED WITH THREE METAL POSTS AND A ROOF OVER MY DRIVEWAY TO COVER MY TWO CARS.

THE CORNER OF THE DRIVEWAY IS JUST TWO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, AND SO I NEED A I NEED A RELAXATION FOR THAT PURPOSE SO I CAN COVER BOTH CARS. WITHOUT THAT, I WOULD HAVE HAD TO PUT THE SUPPORTING POSTS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY. AND SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF MY HOUSE.

THE YELLOW IS MY HOUSE AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY TWO LOTS.

AND THE HOUSE IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO LOTS.

THERE'S 60FT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE SIDE OF HER HOUSE.

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YOU CAN SEE OUR TWO CARS IN THE IN THE PICTURE ON THAT.

AND WHAT I WANT IS JUST TO COVER FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

THE SHADED AREA IS THE COVERED AREA. IT IT'S JUST THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE AND THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.

AND YOU SEE, THE TWO FOOT SETBACK IS JUST THE POINT OF MY DRIVEWAY AS YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY KIND OF ANGLES AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AS IT GOES TOWARDS THE BACK, AND THERE WILL BE ONE POST ON THAT POINT.

IT'S AN OPEN SIDED CARPORT. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO WALL OR ANY REAL OBSTRUCTION RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A LINE OF TREES BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND MY DRIVEWAY.

I HAVE SOME FULL GROWN CRAPE MYRTLES RIGHT THERE, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY COVER THE SORT OF BLOCK THE THE VIEW FROM THE NEIGHBOR. THERE IS A PICTURE YOU CAN SEE.

RIGHT HERE. IT'S THE POINT OF MY DRIVEWAY THAT'S ONLY TWO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS RUNS RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THOSE TREES.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IF I WERE TO PUT THE CARPORT, IF THE EIGHT FOOT SETBACK WOULD HAVE PUT THE POST RIGHT THERE, WHICH MEANS I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PARK A CAR THERE.

AND IF I CAN'T PARK, I ONLY HAVE ROOM FOR ONE CAR.

AND THAT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY NARROWS DOWN. AND IF I PARK ONE CAR BEHIND THE OTHER CAR, I CAN ONLY GET ONE CAR OUT AT A TIME.

AND THESE ARE THE TREES THAT NORMALLY IN THE IN THE SUMMERTIME, THEY'RE JUST FULL.

AND THAT WOULD BLOCK ANY VIEW FROM THE NEIGHBOR OF THE CARPORT.

THERE'S. ANOTHER VIEW OF THE TREES AND THE AND THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

HERE'S A PICTURE OF WHAT THE CARPORT LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S JUST THREE SUPPORTING. POSTS FOR THE ROOF.

AND IT'S OPEN ON THE SIDE. OPEN IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK.

THAT'S A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.

AND I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I THOUGHT THERE WERE MORE.

OH. WE LOOKED AT THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S IT.

I WANT TO STATE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WHATSOEVER.

NO MORE THAN THE DRIVEWAY. THERE'S NUMEROUS OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ALMOST IDENTICAL CARPORT ON THEM, SOME OF THEM VERY CLOSE TO PROPERTY LINES ALSO.

AND AND THE TREE LINE IS A BUFFER FOR THE FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

I HAVE THREE LETTERS OF APPROVAL IF I CAN SUBMIT THOSE.

SURE. OKAY. YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO MR. TAYLOR RIGHT THERE.

OR IF YOU WANT TO PUT HIM. ON THE PHONE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE COPIES OF THEM AS WELL.

WELL, THESE TWO OF THEM I JUST GOT TODAY. OH, YOU ONLY HAVE A.

I THINK YOU ONLY HAVE A COPY OF ONE NEGATIVE COMMENT.

AND FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND ONE FROM A NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE.

OKAY. SO THERE'S TWO MORE, AND THERE'S TWO MORE.

YES. OKAY. AND I HAVE THREE NEIGHBORS. THAT AND MY WIFE THAT MAY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO. OKAY, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS FIRST.

AND THEN QUESTIONS. YES. DOCTOR HILSABECK, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WHAT IS THE ACTUAL HARDSHIP HERE? YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE A HARDSHIP.

WELL, MY CARS ARE GETTING BAKED IN THE SUN, AND I JUST NEED A COVER TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF MY CAR AS IT'S RAINING.

AND JUST SO THEY'RE NOT BLAZING HOT IN THE SUMMERTIME.

AND THE HARDSHIP IS THAT I COULD ONLY PARK ONE CAR IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE THE THE RELAXATION OF EASEMENT.

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SO WHAT I WANT IS TO BE ABLE TO PARK TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE UNDER THERE, UNDER THE CARPORT.

AND OTHERWISE IF I PUT THE SUPPORTING POSTS IN, I CAN ONLY PARK ONE CAR AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO PARK ANOTHER CAR BEHIND THE ONE CAR. AND IT'S IT'S MOSTLY FOR, YOU KNOW, PROTECTION OF THE CARS AND JUST BEING ABLE TO JUST HAVE A SHELTER FOR THE CARS. OKAY. I LIKE YOUR KITTY CAT, BY THE WAY.

OH. THANK YOU. THAT'S DOCKER. WE CALL HIM STALKER.

HE. HE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDS OF ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THE OTHER LETTERS THAT YOU HAVE ARE THEY NEXT DOOR? NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY ADJACENT. NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS CONTIGUOUS? YES. ONE IS NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THE OTHER IS FROM ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE 300 FOOT RADIUS.

ACTUALLY, MY BROTHER IN LAW ON SCREECH OWL. YES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YES, SIR. I DID NOTICE OVER HERE.

YES, I DID NOTICE IN YOUR APPLICATION THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD APPROVAL OF THE NEIGHBOR TO YOUR.

WHATEVER THAT DIRECTION IS THE OTHER NEIGHBOR WITH THE LARGE LOT.

AND THEN. BUT THEN A LETTER CAME THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YES. MY WIFE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.

SHE'S VERY GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE WOMAN THAT LIVES IN THE HOUSE WHO APPARENTLY IS THE OPPOSITION'S MOTHER AND MY WIFE AND AND HER NAME IS CHRIS. AND CHRIS HAVE BECOME VERY GOOD FRIENDS.

THEY THEY TAKE CARE OF DUCKS. THEY RESCUE DUCKS TOGETHER.

AND THEY'RE AND THEY'RE LIKE BEST BUDS. AND SHE SAID IT WAS OKAY WHEN WE ASKED HER, NOT REALIZING THAT THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY BELONGS TO HER DAUGHTER.

OH, OKAY. THAT EXPLAINS THAT. AND THEN I WAS I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED BY HER DAUGHTER'S REACTION.

I DID NOT SEE THAT UNTIL TODAY. AND SO I, I DON'T WANT TO START A NEIGHBOR WAR, AND I DON'T THINK WE WILL BECAUSE MY WIFE AND CHRIS ARE SUCH GOOD FRIENDS.

AND APPARENTLY HER DAUGHTER IS THE ONE. THERE'S SHE SHE TALKS ABOUT FIRE RISK.

THERE IS NO FIRE RISK IN A METAL STRUCTURE LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE AND THERE'S NO WOOD.

RIGHT. I CAN LET MY LET MY WIFE TALK, IF THAT'S OKAY.

NO, I THINK YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT VERY CLEARLY.

THANK YOU SIR. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THERE'S ANY.

MR. PIERRE. SO ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO BUILD THE COVERING? WHERE IS THE WATER RUNOFF GOING TO BE? IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THE.

THAT NEIGHBOR WATER RUNS ON THAT STREET, OUT TO THE STREET AND INTO AND INTO THE GUTTER? I'M REFERRING TO FROM THE SHED. FROM THE COVERING.

I WILL PUT I WILL PUT GUTTER RAIN GUTTERS ON IT AND IT'LL RUN TO IT'LL IT WON'T BE ANY CHANGE FROM THE DRIVEWAY.

IT'LL RUN JUST TO THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. OKAY.

AND IT WON'T BE ANY BIGGER THAN THE DRIVEWAY AT ALL.

GOTCHA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? YES. YES, MA'AM. COME ON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? LEILANI. LOIS. 2257 WHIPPOORWILL DRIVE. YES, MA'AM.

GO AHEAD. OKAY. I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OF THEM, AND I JUST DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY DIFFICULTIES.

AND PAUL WAS RIGHT. WE'RE LOSING OUR CARS, AND I CAN'T PUT A CAR PART IN BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS SO LONG, AND IT HAS TO BE ON THE SIDE. SO HE HAS THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND I HOPE THAT THE AGENCY APPROVES IT, AND I THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MA'AM, DID YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TARA MEEKS. I RESIDE AT TEN FERN STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA, 32084. AND I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF MY SISTER, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT SIDE OF THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT

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THE SETBACK VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED FOR. HER NAME IS TRINA MEEKS, AND THAT PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS 2245 WHIPPOORWILL DRIVE.

SHE SUBMITTED HER COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO YOU GUYS BY LETTER.

AND THAT'S THE LETTER THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. HOWEVER, SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, SO SHE ASKED THAT I COME AND SPEAK ON HER BEHALF AND LET YOU KNOW THAT SHE IS STRONGLY OPPOSED TO HER REQUEST TO TAKE THAT SIDE YARD SETBACK TO TWO FEET.

TWO FEET IS REALLY NOT REASONABLE, REALLY, IN ANY KIND OF SITUATION, MOST LIKELY, BUT CERTAINLY A TWO FOOT SETBACK ISN'T JUSTIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE A PARKING GARAGE, A CARPORT WITHOUT THE VARIANCE, WITHOUT THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.

THEY COULD STILL BUILD AN 18 FOOT WIDE CARPORT, AND THAT IS ADEQUATE TO PARK CARS UNDERNEATH.

IT IS NOTED IN YOUR PACKET THAT THE PROPERTY HERE THAT MY SISTER OWNS IS TWO PLATTED LOTS.

THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE LOTS, AND THERE IS A SINGLE MOBILE HOME THAT'S CENTERED BETWEEN THOSE TWO LOTS.

THE INTENT IS TO REMOVE THAT MOBILE HOME HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, AND TO TURN THAT INTO TWO SEPARATE RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH TWO SEPARATE HOUSING HOUSING UNITS ON IT. SO MAINTAINING A SIDE YARD IS IMPORTANT FOR THE VALUE OF HER PROPERTY, THE DESIRABILITY OF THAT.

AND AGAIN, IT'S A LARGE SIDE YARD AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INTO THE FUTURE.

AS WAS MENTIONED, THIS IS A TENANT OCCUPIED RESIDENCE.

AND YES, IT IS OUR MOTHER. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WERE SOME GENERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBOR, WITH THE APPLICANT, ABOUT THEM WANTING TO PUT A CARPORT IN.

HOWEVER, NEVER WERE THERE ANY SPECIFICS GIVEN OR SAYING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BRING IT WITHIN TWO FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

AGAIN, TWO FEET IS JUST NOT REASONABLE. THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PREFERS THAT THE VARIANCE BE DENIED AND THAT THE EIGHT FOOT SETBACK BE UPHELD.

HOWEVER, IN THE SPIRIT OF NEIGHBORLINESS, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF A REASONABLE REQUEST THAT WAS TO MAYBE BRING THE SETBACK TO SOMETHING LIKE SIX FEET, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. BUT TWO FEET IS JUST IT'S A VERY INVASIVE.

AND YES, IT WILL BE POST, BUT IT WILL ALSO BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A ROOF.

AND LIKE I SAID, SHE INTENDS TO USE THAT AS TWO SEPARATE LOTS IN THE FUTURE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? ALL RIGHT. SURE. GO AHEAD.

YEAH. THERE IT IS. I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO BE NICE.

I'M JIM. I'M A CO-OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

MY WIFE AND I OWN THAT PROPERTY. WE DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT IT'S.

WE RENT IT TO OUR SON AND HIS FAMILY. WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING.

I AM SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT. LET'S SEE. ERASE ALL.

THIS IS SO MUCH FUN. OKAY. SO I AM SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT THIS DOUBLE LOT HAS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND, I PRESUME, DIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS AND DO A COUPLE OF HOUSES LIKE THAT. IT'S A FEASIBLE THING TO DO SINCE IT'S A DOUBLE LOT.

MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE? OH, COOL. OKAY. THAT'S NOT THE ONE. OKAY. SO I NOW HAVE A QUESTION.

PAUL IS WANTING TO BUILD A CARPORT THAT WOULD JUST BASICALLY COME RIGHT OFF THIS ROOF AND COME DOWN AND MEET THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY. SO THE DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY THERE.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT STATEMENT OTHER THAN JUST POINT IT OUT, BECAUSE IT MAKES ME WONDER IF IT'S ANYWAY I WANTED TO. I HAD A FEW THINGS TO SAY ABOUT WHAT THE OPPOSITION HERE IS, IS SAYING.

WELL, SOME OF IT'S BEEN NEGATED BY THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE THAT THEY HAVE.

I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT THERE IS NO THREAT OF ANY THERE'S NO FIRE THREAT WITH THIS NEW STRUCTURE. IT IS ALL METAL, AND THERE WON'T BE ANY SIDES ON IT AS HE SHOWED THE OTHER PICTURE.

IT'S JUST ALUMINUM, I BELIEVE, IS ENTIRELY ALUMINUM.

MIGHT BE PARTLY STEEL. IT IS SPECULATED, I BELIEVE I I'M CALLING THIS PARAGRAPH SPECULATION, WHERE THE OWNER OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THINKS THAT IT MAY DRASTICALLY

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REDUCE SIDE YARD SETBACKS FOR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.

LIKE, IT'S GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT. I DON'T I THINK THAT'S PURE SPECULATION.

SO LET'S SEE. EXCUSE ME FOR MY AWKWARDNESS. OKAY, SO THAT'S A SIMILAR STRUCTURE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ON A DIFFERENT PROPERTY.

IT'S MY TIME UP. IT IS. OH, BUT I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE HEADED.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I DON'T. SO.

SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, I MEAN, THE DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY THERE.

YES, SIR, I UNDERSTAND. I'M GOING TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS OF STAFF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SITTING DOWN.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? OKAY. HE HAS A VERY GOOD POINT. THE DRIVEWAY.

IS IT OUT? IS IT VIOLATING THE SETBACK CODE, OR IS IT FINE BECAUSE IT'S A DRIVEWAY, IT'S IMPERVIOUS OR PERVIOUS, AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE.

THE DRIVEWAY IS IN FACT NOT CONSIDERED A STRUCTURE AND DOES NOT HAVE TO MEET THE TYPICAL SIDE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS LIKE THE EIGHT FOOT FOR THIS PROPERTY.

RIGHT. SO SINCE HE IS JUST PUTTING A STRUCTURE OVER THE CURRENT CONCRETE PAD RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S TRIPPING THIS VARIANCE.

THAT'S RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY, ONCE WE GO ABOVE ABOUT THREE FEET IN HEIGHT THINGS BECOME CONSIDERED STRUCTURES.

AND THEN THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL APPLICABLE SETBACKS. OKAY.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. SHELLITO, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I HAVE MESSED UP YOUR NAME.

CAN YOU COME BACK REAL QUICK? YOU'RE NOT EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT.

THAT LITTLE JET OUT THAT IS TWO FEET IN THE CONCRETE.

LITTLE JET OUT. THAT'S TWO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT IS STAYING.

AND YOU'RE JUST PUTTING A A TEN ROOF OVER OR COVERING OVER YOUR DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW AS IT IS.

OKAY. PROBABLY THREE POSTS ALONG THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND JUST A ROOF.

OKAY. SO IT'S NO MORE OF AN INTRUSION THAN IT ALREADY IS RIGHT NOW.

CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION AND THEN DISCUSSION.

CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. AND THIS IS SORT OF MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION.

IS THIS A STANDARD LOT? I MEAN, IT'S IT'S NOT A RECTANGULAR SQUARE LOT.

IS IT A CONFORMING LOT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S CLOSE ON ONE PART OF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN YOU GO BACK ON THE CARPORT. LOOKS LIKE IT GOES FROM 2FT TO 5FT.

YEAH. THE THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. GREEN'S QUESTION.

THE LOT IS FAIRLY COMPARABLE TO THE LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YEAH, IT DOES. IT DOES HAVE MAYBE A BIT OF AN ANGLE.

IT DOES WIDEN OUT AS IT GOES FARTHER BACK. SO THAT SHED THAT YOU SEE BEHIND THE DRIVEWAY, IT IS IN FACT MEETING THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

BUT IT IS A PINCH POINT RIGHT THERE WHERE THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY COME UP TO THAT SIDE PROPERTY LINE.

YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THE HARDSHIP FOR HIM IN THIS.

I THINK BECAUSE THE LOT NARROWS AT THE FRONT.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S HARDSHIP UNLESS THE IF THE HOUSE WERE KIND OF PLACED ALONG THE SAME KIND OF LOT LINES AND SETBACK LINES, THEN HE MIGHT HAVE MORE ROOM. BUT BECAUSE IT'S NARROW UP FRONT, I THINK THAT IS HIS HARDSHIP.

AND ALL THESE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE ARE ALL PLACED ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE STREET BACKS OR YOU KNOW.

OKAY. YEAH. NO PROBLEM. MISS SPIEGEL. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.

IT IS A WEDGE SHAPED LOT, AND IT DOES NARROW TOWARD THE FRONT, AND IT IS JUST THAT LITTLE JUT.

MY QUESTION WHEN I WENT OUT AND ASKED HIM WAS, WHAT IMPACT WOULD IT BE IF YOU COULD MOVE THAT POST OVER, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT RIGHT IN THAT POINT, BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY DOES NARROW AND IT DOES JUT OUT A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE TO GIVE YOU THE WIDER PAD FOR PARKING THE TWO CARS AND THAT, WHAT WOULD IT BE.

BUT FOUR FEET IS, IS BIG. THAT WOULD REALLY CUT INTO THAT A LOT.

THE CARS WERE BOTH PARKED THERE WITH PROBABLY ROOM FOR MAYBE BOTH DOORS TO BE OPEN A LITTLE AT THE SAME TIME, BUT NOT BOTH. I THINK THAT SINCE THIS IS NOT AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE, I DON'T SEE REALLY THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBOR BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY AS IT IS.

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S THAT ONE POINT AND IT DOES WIDEN BACK AS IT GOES.

SO YOU'VE GOT FIVE FEET BY THE BACK OF THE DRIVEWAY.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. THAT'D BE GREAT.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE.

202434 2253 WHIPPOORWILL DRIVE UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SIX CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MISS SPIEGEL. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MR.

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PIERRE? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO ROLL.

CALL THE VOTES. SO, MISS SPIEGEL OR EVERYBODY JUST SAY YAY OR NAY FOR THE VOTE.

MISS SPIEGEL? YEAH. DOCTOR. HILTONBOCK. MR.. PIERRE.

YEAH. I SAY YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[2. PUD 2024-03 Foxhive Commercial. Request to rezone approximately 4.77 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum 35,000 square feet of Neighborhood Commercial uses, consistent with the Residential-B Future Land Use Map (FLUM) designation, specifically located at 3710 Pacetti Road.]

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE? YES, MADAM CHAIR. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CHARLIE HUNT, WHO IS A NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.

NEIGHBOR? ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND ABOUT THEIR SORT OF THEIR IMPRESSIONS.

I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH CHUCK LEBOWSKI, WHO WAS ALSO A NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES CLOSE BY THIS AREA AND KNOWS THE AREA VERY WELL.

AND I DID READ THE EMAIL FROM MISS BIRO WHO ALSO ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? GOOD AFTERNOON. AUTUMN, MARTIN MATTHEWS, DQM SEVEN WALDO STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A REZONING TO PUD FOR PROPERTY AT 3710 PASETTI ROAD.

THE SITE IS JUST UNDER FIVE ACRES. IT'S 4.77 ACRES WITH ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE OF WETLANDS.

TO THE EAST. THAT WILL BE PRESERVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

THERE IS SOME EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ON THE SITE NOW PRESENT.

PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A MOBILE HOME THAT HAS BEEN SINCE REMOVED.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ON THE AERIAL, THE SITE HAS BEEN MOSTLY CLEARED.

AND THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A FLOOD ZONE.

SO THIS IS AN IMAGE FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW. KIND OF JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF HOW THE ENTIRE SITE LOOKS.

THERE'S A CLOSE UP OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.

PRESENTLY THE SITE HAS A LAND USE OF RESIDENTIAL B, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN A PUD.

AND OF COURSE, WE ARE REQUESTING A REZONING FROM OPEN RULE TO PUD FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES.

SO WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED OUR PROPOSAL TO THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, WE WERE PROPOSING UP TO 60 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE.

BUT AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE LOWERED THE FOOTPRINT TO NO MORE THAN 30 500 ZERO SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS THE CURRENT SIZE OF THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE SHOWING ON THE MDP MAP.

AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR WOULD BE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES AND OR OFFICE TYPE USES.

THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BE IN TWO PHASES. BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS THE BUILDING TO THE REAR, AND THEN BUILDING TWO, WHICH. SO BUILDING ONE IS THE LARGER BUILDING TO THE EAST OR THE REAR OF THE SITE.

BUILDING TWO IS TO THE NORTH, ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE NOT IMPACTING THE EXISTING WETLANDS ON SITE. THE SITE THE AREAS IN GREEN IS THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, BUFFERS AND PRESERVED AREAS.

AND THE HOPED FOR USE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TO POSSIBLY BRING IN A PHARMACY.

THAT'S NOT CONCRETE AT THIS STAGE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IS DRIVING HIS.

HIS PLAN TO REQUEST A REZONING FOR THIS SITE IS HE'S HOPING TO BRING A PHARMACY TO THE LOCATION.

THE ONE WAIVER WE ARE REQUESTING AS PART OF THIS PUD IS RELIEF FROM THE 20 B BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE THAT THE REASON FOR THIS IS THERE IS AN EXISTING PULL UP.

THERE'S AN EXISTING DITCH THAT RUNS ALONG THAT SOUTHERN BORDER.

SO IF WE MET THE FULL REQUIREMENTS OF THE TB BUFFER WITHIN THAT FIRST 20FT, WE WOULD BE IMPACTING THAT DITCH.

SO ANY OF THE B BUFFER REQUIREMENTS WOULD ACTUALLY BE MET WITHIN THE 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE.

SO BUT AND AGAIN, AVOIDING THAT DRAINAGE DITCH THAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING IN THE AREA AND YOU CAN SEE THE VEGETATION THAT'S CURRENTLY HERE.

THIS IS AGAIN FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW. THIS VEGETATION RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THAT EXISTING DITCH.

THE DITCH IS TO THE EAST OR RIGHT OF THE I'M SORRY, SOUTH OR RIGHT OF THE TREE LINE.

KIND OF WHERE THAT FENCE ENDS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION.

AND THEN HERE'S JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF HOW THAT TREE LINE EXTENDS ALL THE WAY DOWN.

SO AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS THAT THERE IS AN EXCESS OF EMPTY COMMERCIAL USES RETAIL USES

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WITHIN PROXIMITY TO THE SITE. AND WE DID A MARKET ANALYSIS.

THE. SORRY. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE MAP. AND THEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SCREENS ARE KIND OF GET INTO THE OVERLAY.

THE NUMBER ONE AND TWO THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THERE ON THE SCREEN IS THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE PROFESSIONAL CENTER OFFICE COMPLEX.

THESE ARE OFFICE USES KIND OF SMALL OFFICE CONDOS.

THEY IT WAS DEVELOPED IN TWO PHASES, WITH THE SECOND PHASE CONSTRUCTION KIND OF WRAPPING UP.

RIGHT NOW, THAT SITE IS ALREADY 77% LEASED WITH OFFICE USES.

NUMBER THREE, WAY TO THE NORTH IS THE INTERNET, THE IGP 95 LOGISTICS CENTER.

THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TYPE OF SITE THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH NOTHING PRE-LEASED AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'LL BE BRINGING JOBS. NUMBER 11 OVER HERE OFF OF 16 IS A DEVELOPMENT CALLED THE MIRABELLA MEDICAL COMPLEX.

AND THAT SITE IS MEDICAL USES, AND IT'S ALREADY OVER 57% LEASED.

AND THEN THE CLOSEST RETAIL OR OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO OUR SITE IS THE PASETTI ROAD PLAZA THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAMARA LAKES BOULEVARD AND PASETTI ROAD.

AND THAT SITE IS COMMERCIAL OFFICE USES. AND IT'S ALREADY 100% LEASED UP AND THEN CONCENTRATED UP NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF PASETTI ROAD AND STATE ROAD 16, WHICH IS JUST SLIGHTLY MORE THAN A MILE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THERE IS ONE DEVELOPMENT THE SHOPS AT COY CREEK, THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT IS ONLY TEN ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, AND NONE OF THAT SPACE IS LEASED AT THIS TIME.

AND ALL OF THE OTHER EXISTING ESTABLISHED RETAIL SPACES, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, ARE EITHER 100% LEASED OR PRETTY MUCH THERE'S LIKE ONE SMALL UNIT THAT'S ON LEASED.

SO THERE ARE 96% LEASED. SO THERE IS DEFINITELY A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN THIS AREA.

EVERYTHING THAT'S BECOMING AVAILABLE OR HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IS ALREADY FULL UP.

SO THE SITE IS NEAR THE TWO DIFFERENT LINKS AS IDENTIFIED IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY TRANSPORTATION LINK 21.2 AND LINK 21.2, 21.1 AND 21.2. I APOLOGIZE BOTH OF THESE LINKS.

ACCORDING TO THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY DATA, THAT WAS FROM 2024 ARE STILL LABELED AS OKAY.

THE SEGMENT FROM 208 TO SUMMER LAKES PARKWAY IS ONLY AT 57.4% CAPACITY, WITH THE LINK FROM SUMMER LAKES TO STATE ROAD 16 IS AT 68% CAPACITY. SO WITH OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF UP TO 35,000FT² OF RETAIL, WE'RE ESTIMATING ONLY A 3.3% IMPACT. AND I APOLOGIZE THE YELLOW DID NOT COME THROUGH AND I'VE LOST MY SLIDE.

I HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN, I APOLOGIZE. IT WAS A THE 208 TO SUMMER LAKES BOULEVARD IS GOING TO BE A 3.8% IMPACT, AND THE SEGMENT FROM SUMMER LAKES TO STATE ROAD 16 IS ONLY GOING TO BE A 2.3% IMPACT.

WE HAD A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ANALYSIS COMPLETED BY SCHINDLER TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS, AND HE STATED THAT THE EXISTING LEFT TURN LANE, THE SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT AT 250FT IN LENGTH, IS ANTICIPATED TO BE ADEQUATE FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THAT THE EXISTING TRAFFIC LIGHT AT PASETTI AND SAMARA LAKES WILL PROVIDE THE NEEDED GAPS IN ORDER TO ALLOW SOMEONE THAT'S COMING SOUTHBOUND TO BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER INTO THE SITE WITHOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONGESTION FOR SOUTHBOUND TRAVELERS.

URBAN INFRASTRUCTURE IS WATER. SEWER IS AVAILABLE ON THE SITE.

THE SITE DOES SUPPORT THE NORTHWEST SECTOR POLICIES.

THIS WOULD CREATE RETAIL USES FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS, SHORTENING THEIR TRIPS.

THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO UP TOWARDS 16 FOR SOME OF THE USES, SHORTENING THEIR TRAVEL TIME, LESSENING SOME OF THE CONGESTION FOR PEOPLE GOING UP FOR ICE CREAM OR A HAIRCUT OR WHATEVER USES MIGHT END UP ON THIS SITE.

IT'S SHORTENING THEIR TRIPS BY GIVING THEM AN OPTION CLOSER TO THEIR HOME WITHOUT HAVING TO GO FURTHER NORTH, AND IT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL JOBS FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS WHERE MAINTAINING AND MATCHING ALL THE REQUIRED BUFFERS AS REQUIRED BY THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, AND TRYING TO CREATE A COMMERCIAL CENTER AT HUMAN SCALE BY NOT CREATING A REALLY MASSIVE SITE.

THIS IS A SMALL LEVEL RETAIL SITE. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THERE IS MARKET DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL LOST THE SCREEN.

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HOW DO WE GET BACK? OKAY. WHAT'S THE TECHNOLOGY? JASMINE, ARE YOU WORKING ON IT? OKAY.

THERE YOU GO. AND I MEAN, IT KIND OF GO BACK.

WHAT I WAS SAYING WITH THE SLIDE WAS THERE IS MARKET DEMAND, AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS THAT THE CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE FOR THE SITE.

AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I'LL TAKE THIS BACK TO THE MDP MAP. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? DOCTOR HILTONBOCK. YOU STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT ORIGINALLY YOU WERE LOOKING AT A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OR USE ON THE PROPERTY.

I THOUGHT I HAD READ IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT YEAR OR TWO AGO.

YOU ALL HAD COME TO THE COUNTY WITH A 11,000 SQUARE FOOT CHILD CARE CENTER, AS A PROPOSAL FOR THIS SITE IS.

THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THIS SITE. AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO CHRISTINA EVANS, MY COLLEAGUE, TO ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PART OF THE PROJECT. OKAY, GOOD.

GOOD ANSWER SO FAR. I DO APPRECIATE YOU INCLUDING THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION, NOT ONLY THE COUNTY'S FULL SPREADSHEET, BUT THAT YOU HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE. CHRISTINA EVANS MATTHEWS DKM SEVEN WALDO STREET.

YES HE DID. BASICALLY HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS APPROVED FOR A CHILD CARE CENTER.

AND WHEN HE RAN THE NUMBERS, IT JUST WAS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR HIM.

SO HE HAS TO PIVOT TO A DIFFERENT NONRESIDENTIAL USE.

AND THAT WAS PERMITTED BY RIGHT UNDER THE OR ZONING.

SO WHERE THE 60,000 FOOT COME IN. I DIDN'T READ ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

MAYBE IT WAS IN THERE AND I MISSED IT. THE ORIGINAL THAT WAS WHAT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS WHEN WE CREATED THE APPLICATION.

AND THEN WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THE 60,000FT² AND CAN CONCERNING THE COMMUNITY MEETING, I READ THAT IT WAS APPARENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO SAY THIS EXACTLY 100% CORRECT, BUT LEX CAN CORRECT ME, BUT THAT IT WAS NOT, IN ESSENCE PROPERLY NOTICED TO THE COUNTY STAFF AND THE COUNTY STAFF DIDN'T ATTEND.

IS THERE SOME LEGALITY ISSUE HERE THAT THAT COMMUNITY MEETING WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTICED? IT SAID 24 PEOPLE STILL SHOWED UP. YEAH, WE DID IT IN THE WE SENT OUT THE NOTICES WITHIN 300FT.

WE PLACED THE LEGAL AD WE HAD TRIED TO SCHEDULE IT DURING THE SUMMER, AND THE SCHOOL DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO RESERVE THE ROOMS. SO THEN WHEN SCHOOL WAS BACK IN SESSION I RAN THE DATES BY COUNTY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD ATTEND AND THAT IT WAS APPROVED.

AND THEN AFTER WE SCHEDULED EVERYTHING AND PLACED THE LEGAL ADS, I JUST FORGOT TO CONFIRM WITH JUSTIN THE DATE THAT WE HAD PICKED.

SO IT WAS NOT ADVERTISED ON THE COUNTY'S CALENDAR.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE CODE AS A REQUIREMENT.

BESIDES THE NEWSPAPER ADS AND IN THE THE MAIL OUTS.

I'M HAPPY TO JUMP IN THERE. TO DOCTOR HILL'S QUESTION.

NO, I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT DID MEET THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THAT THEY DID MEET THE ADVERTISING STANDARDS.

THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION THAT RESULTED IN STAFF NOT ATTENDING THAT MEETING.

WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, THAT THAT'S WHY THAT INFORMATION WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT.

BUT AGAIN, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT AND PURPOSE AND THE PROCEDURES OTHER THAN THE STAFF COMMUNICATION WERE FOLLOWED TO TO THE NORTHWEST SECTOR STANDARDS.

AND SO THAT DOES NOT GIVE ME ANY CONCERN. THEY HAD A GOOD TURNOUT, OBVIOUSLY GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENS IN THAT AREA.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MISS SPIEGEL, EXCUSE ME. I UNDERSTAND ALSO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS NOTIFICATION WAS NOT SENT OUT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S VARIOUS LEVELS OF NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORS THAT GO OUT.

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ONE WOULD NOT HAVE GONE OUT FOR THAT NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING SINCE WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT NOTIFIED.

HOWEVER THE NOTICING PROCEDURES THAT THEY PROVIDED CERTAINLY APPEAR TO BE ADEQUATE.

IF THEY HAD 24 PEOPLE ATTEND THE MEETING. OKAY.

WELL, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE I DECIDE ON THAT.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND PLEASE FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF COMMERCIAL NODE.

IS THAT TO THE NORTH OR THE WEST OF THIS? I'M TRYING TO.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO NORTH OR ANYTHING ON ANY OF THESE MAPS, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.

AND FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING. I SHOULD KNOW, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I CREATED THIS MAP LAST WEEK, AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER YOU CAN SEE THE NORTH ARROW.

IT KIND OF GOT CUT OUT. OKAY, SO WE ARE HEADING NORTH.

AND WHAT IS THIS? IS THIS IGP COMING ACROSS HERE? NO, THIS IS STATE ROAD 16. IGP IS TO THE. TO THE RIGHT.

TO THE RIGHT. OKAY. SO THIS IS THAT 16. AND SO THIS IS 16IN PASETTI ROAD.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY.

THE DAYCARE, I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

AND. OKAY. LET'S SEE. CHILDCARE. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MARTIN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? YES, MA'AM.

COME FORWARD AND THEN, SIR, YOU CAN COME AFTER HER.

ANYWHERE IS FINE. I THINK THE MOUTH THING. MY NAME IS MEREDITH FOGG.

I LIVE AT 5115 SILO ROAD. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM OUR ROAD IS WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE.

AND WE HAVE A BIG IMPACT. I WOULD SAY FROM IT.

SEE IF I CAN. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE THIS THINGY.

WHAT DO I DO? ALL RIGHT, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OUR ROBE.

DID I DO ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. SILO. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT, BUT.

OKAY. SILOS ARE ROAD. AND RIGHT AT THAT SPOT AS WELL.

AND YOU GOT THE DOUBLE LANE COMING DOWN, AND THEN IT TURNS INTO THE ONE, AND IT'S JUST ONE ON EITHER WAY, GOING ALL THE WAY TO 208. SO WE'RE STUCK IN THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE WHERE WE GOT OUR TURNING LANE.

AND THEN THERE'S THE PART WITH THE, THE LINE WHERE NO ONE IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY GO.

I'VE BEEN TRAPPED THERE A FEW TIMES. BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE THAT ROAD RAGE.

THEY GET VERY ANGRY AT THIS AREA. FOR WHATEVER THE REASONS, ARE TRYING TO TURN RIGHT INTO THE MEADOWS OR LEFT INTO SAMARA LAKES.

AND THEN IT GOES IN, YOU KNOW, TO THE ONE LANE.

SO PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ANGRY AND AGGRAVATED AT THIS INTERSECTION.

THE TURNING LANE OR THE LIGHT, WHICHEVER ONE THEY'RE GOING TO USE TO TRY TO GET INTO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BUILD HERE IS GOING TO CAUSE A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR US TO TRY TO GET OUT. WE ALREADY SIT THERE FOR SOMETIMES TEN MINUTES.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE THE LAST TIME THEY TRIED TO PRESENT IT.

IT WAS YEARS AGO BEFORE MANY OF THE STUFF WAS EVEN BUILT, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW CURRENT IT REALLY IS COMPARED TO TODAY WITH THAT TRAFFIC STUDY.

BUT WE SIT THERE FOR A WHILE. THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF BIGGER LOTS BACK ON SILO WITH HORSE TRAILERS.

THAT'S BIG, LONG TRAILERS TRYING TO COME OUT OF SILO, CROSS OVER IF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND OUT TO TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, INTO YOU TO GET INTO THIS PARKING LOT, IT'S GOING TO BACK US UP EVEN MORE AND HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING OUT OF OUR ROAD AND OF COURSE, MAKING, YOU KNOW, UNSAFE WITH THE TRAILERS IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, DURING THE TRAFFIC AREAS.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IT. IT'S THE, IT TURNING INTO THE ONE LANE FOR ONE MAKES IT DIFFICULT.

WE'RE KIND OF STUCK IN THAT LITTLE NICHE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME, YOU KNOW, TIME GETTING OUT AND THE TURNING LANE. YOU KNOW THEY SAY OH THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING WELL THE LIGHT.

WELL NO THIS IS CLOSER. IF YOU'RE COMING FROM 95 THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING ARE YOU.

AND WE'RE WE'RE SCREWED. THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

WE'RE STUCK. I DON'T CARE WHAT TIME OF THE DAY IT IS.

YOU GOT THE LIGHT RIGHT THERE. THERE'S THE KIDS THAT GO WALK OVER TONS OF KIDS.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IF THEY GO IN THERE, IT'S JUST MORE RISK FOR EVERYONE.

AND IF THEY SAY, OH, WELL, IT'S IT'S JUST A A PHARMACY.

IT'S SMALL LITTLE BUILDINGS THAT WON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC. WELL, THEN WHY DO YOU NEED THAT MANY PARKING SPOTS. IT'S GOING TO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE MONEY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR US. SO I JUST SEE A PROBLEM WITH US.

AND THEN ON SILO AND AS WELL OTHER EXISTING NEIGHBORS OR THE AREA WITH THE ROAD RAGE GETTING

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WORSE AT THE END. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? MY NAME IS. MY NAME IS OWEN HOPPER. I LIVE AT 410 BOSTWICK CIRCLE, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN IS GOING TO BE RIGHT IN MY BACKYARD. I HAVE THE TREES BEHIND ME RIGHT NOW.

THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA IS HEAVY AT TIMES. WE HAVE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

SO IN THE MORNING IT'S A NIGHTMARE, AND IN THE AFTERNOON IT'S A NIGHTMARE.

AND THEN I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SILO ROAD.

AND YES, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE A TIME TRYING TO PULL OUT TO HEAD TOWARDS HIGHWAY 16.

MY CONCERN IS. THE PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT TO THAT THERE.

THEY WANT TO PUT IN 250 TOWNHOMES. OKAY. THAT'S EVEN GOING TO CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC, MORE OF A CONGESTION, MORE OF A JAM UP. AND MY CONCERN IS, I DON'T THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA, AS FAR AS ROADS GO, CAN HANDLE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC. IT'S GOING TO BE OVERWHELMED.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS GOING DOWN ON PASETTI FROM US.

THEY'RE BUILDING NEW HOMES ALL THE TIME. THAT'S BRINGING IN MORE TRAFFIC.

AND FIRST OFF, THE WAY I SEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE BUILDING THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE FACING MY YARD AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BE PUTTING IN PARKING LOT LIGHTS. THAT'S GOING TO SHINE IN MY BACKYARD.

I REALLY DON'T WANT THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH RESIDENTIAL HOMES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT GOING IN THERE, BUT A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THIS IS ALL HOMES ALL AROUND THIS, AND THEY WANT TO PUT A COMMERCIAL SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

I JUST DON'T GET THE REASONING FOR THAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

CHUCK LABANOWSKI 1748 NORTH CAPITOL. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, WHERE THEY WANTED TO PUT IT, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE HOMES RIGHT IN IT.

THEY'RE TAKING AWAY PART OF THE BUFFER HERE BECAUSE OF A DITCH, IF NOTHING.

THAT BUFFER SHOULD BE ENLARGED. IT SHOULD BE.

INSTEAD OF 30FT IT SHOULD BE. PROBABLY 50FT. BUFFER IN THERE.

HIGH VEGETATION BUFFER. NOT JUST A FEW TREES PLANTED.

BUT LET'S GO TO ANOTHER THING THAT SHE WAS SAYING IS CAPACITY IS THERE ON PASSETTI.

I AGREE THE TRAFFIC IS OKAY ON PASSETTI, BUT WHAT ABOUT WHERE THAT TRAFFIC GOES TO? IT GOES RIGHT HERE TO IGP 16 AND PASSETTI, AND IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT BEFORE THAT'S EVEN IMPROVED.

THE COUNTY JUST BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER BY MILL CREEK TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE FOR THAT INTERSECTION.

WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON NOW. IT WAS STATED THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE BEING BUILT AROUND.

I THINK SHE NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK. THIS IS IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF BUILDING.

THERE'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL THERE IN FRONT OF THOSE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE, RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE THE MILL CREEK PARK THAT JUST WENT IN.

THERE'S A FACILITY HERE. DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THIS TIME.

IT STOPPED CONSTRUCTION AGAIN. IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE OFFICE OR IT COULD BE OTHER COMMERCIAL.

SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING IN AROUND HERE.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WE CAN'T KEEP PUTTING COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

ADAM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? OKAY, SO TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS AS FAR AS THE EXISTING DITCH, THAT DITCH SPLITS THE PROPERTY LINE OF OUR PROPERTY AND THE SAMARA LAKES PUD. IT'S AN EXISTING RETAINING A STORMWATER DITCH THAT EXISTS.

SAMARA LAKES IS BEING A PUD, HAS A 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY LINE AND THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE CURRENT HOMES THAT ARE OWNED BY RESIDENTS THERE.

AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER 35 FOOT.

SO FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT ABUT US TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS GOING TO BE 70FT OF ESTABLISHED LANDSCAPING ABOUT 35FT WITHIN THE PUD. THE SAMARA LAKES BEAUTY PLUS 35FT WITH OURS, WITH THAT EXISTING DITCH THAT'S KIND OF MEANDERING BOTH PROPERTY

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LINES. OUR WAIVER IS TO REQUEST US TO NOT ADD TREES INTO THAT DITCH, BUT TO MOVE THOSE 20 BE REQUIREMENTS FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE 35 FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGE, MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS BUT AVOIDING IMPACTING THE EXISTING DITCH.

SO THERE THE EXISTING VEGETATION WILL BE RETAINED AND WE WILL BE ADDING TO MEET THE B STANDARD, JUST NOT WITHIN THE DITCH ITSELF. SO PROVIDING AT LEAST 70FT OF BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMERCIAL TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING ANY LIGHTING WOULD BE MEETING THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CODE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY WAIVERS REGARDING LIGHTING, SO IT WILL BE DOWN LIGHTING AND LIGHTING THAT MEETS THE.

SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CODE. THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE MEDIAN WITH SILO ROAD.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS AN ESTABLISHED CHALLENGE WE HAVE.

WE WERE TALKING THROUGH IT. WE'D HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT.

AND WE HAD EVEN TALKED ABOUT AND WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO MAKING OUR SITE A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY SITE, MOVING OUR DRIVEWAY FURTHER NORTH SO THAT IT DOES NOT INTERSECT WITH THAT TURN LANE OR THAT MEDIAN.

OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOUTHBOUND PEOPLE CROSS INTO THE SITE, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO TRY TO WORK AROUND THAT IN AN EFFORT TO NOT FURTHER IMPACT SILO ROAD. MY TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WANTED ME TO ALSO KIND OF POINT OUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES OF THIS SCALE ARE A WHAT HE TERMED A TRAFFIC ATTRACTOR, WHICH MEANS THEY ARE SHORTENING TRIPS, THEY ARE BRINGING TRAFFIC TO THEM SO THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE PULLING CARS OFF THE ROADS BECAUSE CARS WILL NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL AS FAR. SOMEONE COULD COME OUT OF SUMMER LAKES AND ONLY COME THE DISTANCE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP 16 OR VICE VERSA.

I WISH HE WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS MORE INTELLIGENTLY THAN ME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE WE ARE WILLING TO WORK ON OUR DRIVEWAY IF THAT IS AN OBSTACLE TO APPROVAL FOR US. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO BRING ADDITIONAL RETAIL OPTIONS TO THE AREA.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS BY MAINTAINING THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT EDGE BUFFER WITH WITH THE ONE WAIVER.

AND WITH THAT I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, DOCTOR HELMICK. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU MENTIONED A PHARMACY MIGHT GO INTO ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

THAT WAS THEIR GOAL. OBVIOUSLY HE DOES NOT HAVE OR HE HAS NOT SHARED WITH US THAT HE HAS A LETTER OF INTENT FROM ANYONE FOR THAT.

BUT THAT WAS A HOPE. SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN.

THAT WAS A HOPE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BRING IT IN.

BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT SIGNED BY HOPE PHARMACY.

ALL RIGHT. A STATEMENT, IN OTHER WORDS. OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY PHARMACIES RIGHT UP THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 16 AND IGP? AND THERE IS A PUBLIX PHARMACY, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE PUBLIX.

I BELIEVE THERE IS EITHER A CVS OR WALGREENS.

I DID NOT PULL THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO.

I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST ONE, BUT THERE COULD BE BOTH.

HONESTLY, I JUST DIDN'T I DIDN'T COME WITH THAT.

THERE'S BOTH. OKAY. SO. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I INITIALLY LOOKING AT THIS I DID SEE SOME INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AROUND. AND SO THAT IF I VOTE AGAINST IT, IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON WHAT I THINK IT'S INCOMPATIBLE IN THE AREA. SO BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU SAYING YOU'D MOVE YOUR DRIVEWAY FURTHER NORTH.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. CERTAINLY. AND IF IT GETS BUILT I HOPE YOU'LL DO THAT ANYWAY.

SO THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC FROM SILO.

SO APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT. YES.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'VE GOT A QUICK ONE.

IF I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT, IT'S REZ B, RIGHT? CORRECT. IF YOU DID AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MANY RESIDENTS YOU COULD PUT ON THIS PROPERTY VERSUS WHAT THE IMPACT THE BUSINESS HAS TRAFFIC RISE VERSUS RESIDENTIAL RISE. WE HAVE NOT RUN THAT ANALYSIS.

I MEAN, IF THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REQUEST A DEFERRAL AND COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.

I MEAN, WHAT FROM WHAT I SEE, THIS IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE A 9 TO 5, MAYBE 5 OR 6 DAY A WEEK BUSINESSES.

SO, I MEAN, YOU, YOU YOU DON'T HAVE THE EVENING IMPACT LATE THAT RESIDENTS MAY HAVE.

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SO I'M JUST TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

SO I MEAN WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE NEEDING THAT ANALYSIS.

I CAN I'M HAPPY TO RUN IT. BUT YES, I MEAN, AGAIN, THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE USES.

THIS IS MEANT TO BE YOUR HAIR SALON, THE HYPOTHETICAL PHARMACY.

I KNOW THAT THERE MAY NOT BE A NEED FOR IT. THAT MAY JUST BE A PIPE DREAM OF THE OWNER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, A SMALL SANDWICH SHOP, A SMALL RETAIL SHOP.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LATE NIGHT TRAFFIC GENERATOR.

THIS IS MEANT TO BE REGULAR SHOPS. OR EVEN OFFICES.

DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? YEAH I HAVE.

OKAY. I THOUGHT, HENRY, THAT I HAD READ SOMETHING IN THE APPLICATION ABOUT 21 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

OR WAS THAT FOR THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT? THAT'S THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OR TO THE NORTH? YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S EXPIRED. CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. YES. SO NOTHING'S GOING THERE FOR A WHILE UNLESS THEY COME BACK WITH A REZONING.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER? YES, MA'AM. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WHEN STAFF IS AVAILABLE. WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, JACOB.

HI, SIR. WELL, THERE IS A YOU KNOW, IT IS ZONED ALL AROUND, AND IT DID SAY THAT THERE WAS A PUD THAT'S EXPIRED. AND THEN ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOME LARGE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES GOING IN.

IS THAT SOMEWHERE CONTIGUOUS TO THIS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S EXPIRED, OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT? SO THAT IS ACTUALLY ALSO ONE OF MY OTHER CLIENTS THAT IS THE SITE OF THE 21 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE EXPIRED PUD. THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT PROJECT.

NO HEARINGS HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED, SCHEDULED YET IS HOPING TO COME BEFORE YOU EVENTUALLY WITH A WORKFORCE HOUSING REZONING FOR 52 TOWNHOMES. OKAY. AND NOT 250. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE TO THE NORTH.

THAT IS THE THE KIND OF THE BLUE TRIANGLE PIECE.

IT'S. YEAH. IT'S IT'S. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN GET A BETTER.

MAYBE IF I GO TO MY FIRST AERIAL. SO IT IS THE TREES IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST.

IT KIND OF IT'S A WEDGE SHAPE WITH OUR THIS PROPERTY CUT OUT OF THE TRIANGLE LIKE AN L.

OKAY. AND SO THIS IS THE ONE PORTION IN BETWEEN.

OKAY. I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO FDOT. YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO THE COUNTY.

I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THAT YOU DID. THE CITY ROAD IS A LOCAL ROAD.

IT'S A LOCAL ROAD. YES. I DO APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH YOUR MDP MAP, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS JUST PUTTING THIS OUT HERE.

THIS IS WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN STONE.

LIKE YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS, FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT I SEE YOUR RIGHT TURN IN AND THEN YOUR LEFT TURN OUT RIGHT ACROSS FROM SILO ROAD, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SECOND DRIVEWAY THAT GOES BACK BEHIND BUILDING TWO.

CORRECT. THERE WAS POTENTIALLY TWO RIGHT OUT ENTRY POINTS.

THE THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE IS AN ENTRANCE EXIT, AND THEN THE NORTHERN DRIVE IS AN EXIT ONLY JUST EXIT.

OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT LEFT IN. RIGHT OUT. RIGHT OUT.

CORRECT. AND THEN YOU TURN IF THEY NEEDED TO.

AND THEN AND AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, IF IT IS THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD OR EVEN THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO POSSIBLY SEE US REWORK THE DRIVEWAY SO THAT IT'S A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, ONLY THAT IS AN OPTION THAT WE ARE IN.

NOT NOT OPPOSED TO PURSUING. OKAY. I'M GOING TO ASK A BUFFER QUESTION.

I WAS HAVING A LITTLE HARD TIME WRAPPING MY BRAIN AROUND THE BUFFER. YOU'VE GOT. IT'S NICE AND LUSH AND FULL TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

AND AS IT KIND OF GOES TOWARDS THE BACK, IT DOES DWINDLE SOME.

JUST FROM WHAT I COULD SEE. YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT THE 35 FOOT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, THE NORTHWEST OVERLAY BUFFERING, BUT THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS BUILDING KIND OF BUTTING RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT 35 ON THIS MDP.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING YOU KNOW, IF THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO RECONFIGURE THE BUILDING SO THAT THERE'S MORE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND THE PUD TO THE SOUTH? SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRYING TO MAKE IT BE MORE PALATABLE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO ARE YOU ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE BUILDING ONE AT THE EAST BE KIND OF ROTATED OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? YEAH. I MEAN, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THIS IS MDP.

YEAH I KNOW. SO FINAL BUILDING LIKE THAT IS NOT A DEAL KILLER.

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REORIENTING THESE BUILDINGS SLIGHTLY IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING AGAINST THE SAMARA LAKES FOR BUILDING SETBACKS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

AND I'D DEFER TO KRISTINA. THE SOUTHEAST PORTION WHERE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH VEGETATION AND THE DITCH IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE PUTTING SUPPLEMENTAL TREES, ONES THAT WE COULDN'T FIT OVER IN THE DITCH AREA WOULD GO IN THAT ONE TO MAKE IT FULLER.

YEAH, I JUST THE SUPPLEMENTAL COMPARED TO WHAT'S NATURAL IS JUST SO MUCH LESS.

AND SO I JUST I DO I HAVE YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTANDING FOR THE MAN WHO LIVES RIGHT BACK THERE AND HOW CLOSE THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO BE, EVEN WITH THAT BIG BUFFER. IT'S IT'S JUST NOT VERY FULL BACK THERE.

OKAY. TRAFFIC TOWNHOMES. OKAY. THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. FROM THE CORNER OF THAT BUILDING, ONE THE THE EASTERN CORNER THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE BUFFER.

WHAT IS THAT? TOTAL DISTANCE, I GUESS, FROM. WHAT'S THAT TOTAL GREEN DISTANCE BUFFER.

IS THAT 35. IS THAT THAT IS 35. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION, THEN.

MR. GREEN, WOULD YOU LIKE? YES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

OF COURSE. TRAFFIC'S EVERYTHING NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT MY CONCERNS.

THIS IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION, SO I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

PD 2020 4-03 FOR COMMERCIAL BASED ON NON FINDINGS OF FACTS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN OUR STAFF REPORT.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A SECOND BY MR. PIERRE. ANY DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT.

I'M I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH DOCTOR HILSABECK ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY, AND I'M ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AT THIS AREA IS JUST A LITTLE TIME BOMB RIGHT NOW, AND I'M REALLY HESITANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO ADD TO THAT POLE 16 AREA.

SO I'M GOING TO PROBABLY BE VOTING AGAINST THIS.

YEAH. YEAH, I ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE COMPATIBILITY, ESPECIALLY THAT LOCATION WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO I PROBABLY WON'T SUPPORT IT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COMPATIBILITY.

I THINK SINCE YOU HAVE THAT PASETTI ROAD PLAZA WITH, YOU KNOW, OVER 100,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF A COMMERCIAL NODE.

YOU CAN BUY, RIGHT, DO THE, THE DAYCARE. SO, I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU CAN PUT A DAYCARE THERE, I THINK THIS WOULD NEIGHBORHOOD USE WOULD FIT IN WELL.

AND LET'S FACE IT, NO ONE WANTS RESIDENTIAL ANYMORE.

SO I THINK COMMERCIAL WOULD BE JUST FINE. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT WOULD CREATE MORE TRAFFIC THAT THEY COULD DO BY.

RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL IS NOT ALWAYS A BAD THING.

YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE PRETTY QUIET AT NIGHTTIME.

BUT COMMERCIAL. ESPECIALLY SMALL COMMERCIAL. ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A QUESTION. IF MR. PIERRE SECONDED THIS.

DOES THE VOTE STILL GO THROUGH? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

SO WE JUST GO VOTE. YOU CAN VOTE ANY WAY YOU WANT.

NEW INFORMATION FOR ME. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO.

SECONDED. THANK YOU. I KNOW SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE.

MISS SPIEGEL, YAY OR NAY? THIS IS FOR APPROVAL.

I'M A NAY. NAY. MR.. DOCTOR. MR. PIERRE. NAY.

OKAY. I SAY YAY! YAY! OKAY. THAT MOTION FAILS.

4 TO 2 OR SORRY, 3 TO 2. I CAN'T COUNT. DO WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION? THAT'S UP TO YOU. YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT ANOTHER MOTION.

BUT THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIR. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL KEEP IT AT THAT THEN.

ALL RIGHT, ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THEN. MR. LEDBETTER.

[4. COMPAMD 2024-06 2023 North Florida Regional Water Supply Plan Amendments - Transmittal. Pursuant to Section 163.3177(6)(c)4 of the Florida Statutes, the County is required to incorporate alternative water supply projects identified in the 2023 North Florida Regional Water Supply Plan into its Comprehensive Plan. The Ordinance approves the 2025-2035 St. Johns County Water Supply Facilities Work Plan, which includes select alternative water supply projects the County intends to undertake. The ordinance also amends the 2025 Comprehensive Plan to incorporate the Work Plan and revises inconsistent language to ensure clarity and consistency in referencing and utilizing water supply plans.]

WATER, WATER, WATER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. BOARD.

GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M KEVIN LEDBETTER.

I'M A SENIOR ENGINEER AT THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HERE AT THE COUNTY.

TODAY, I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 2023 NORTH FLORIDA WATER REGIONAL SUPPLY PLAN.

BEFORE I GO ON, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE. I KNOW THERE'S THE OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

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THAT'S HOW THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EFFORT FROM THE COUNTY GOING ON.

THE ORDINANCE STUFF, THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THAT. SO I DON'T WANT TO MUDDY THE WATERS ON THAT. ANYWAYS, TO GET GOING. WOULD YOU PLEASE PULL THE MICROPHONE? OH, SORRY. CHECK, CHECK. THANK YOU. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT ARE WE ASKING YOU TODAY FOR? WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, SPECIFICALLY AMENDMENTS TO POLICIES D41 17 AND D462 TO ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 2023 NORTH FLORIDA REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLAN. NOTE THIS ALSO INCLUDES AN UPDATE TO OUR WATER FACILITIES WORK PLAN THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.

SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND BEFORE I GET GOING ON THIS.

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? SOMETHING CALLED NORTH FLORIDA REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS, DEP LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS PRETTY MUCH THE RESPONSIBLE FOR COORDINATING, ISSUING A REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLANS TO ONE IN THIS REGION, THE NORTH FLORIDA REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLAN.

THIS PLANNING REGION INCLUDES 14 DIFFERENT COUNTIES IN THE AREA.

SEE THE GRAPHIC OVER HERE. SO IT'S NOT JUST SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.