READY. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. 
          [Call to Order by Chair]
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I HAVE A QUICK UPDATE ABOUT SOMETHING SURPRISING THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE FUN FOR ANYONE
WHO'S HERE AND HERE AT LUNCHTIME. 
          I WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING A FOOD TRUCK ON SITE BEGINNING AT 11:30
A.M., AND IT'S THE SMOKE AND SPENCER'S QUEUE, AND THE OWNER OPERATOR IS SPENCER MATHESON,
AND IT'S I REALLY HAVE TO SAY THIS, THE THE TEAM HERE JUST DID A GREAT JOB DOING THIS. 
          AND SPECIAL THANKS TO COUNTY ADMINISTRATION,
CHERYL REESE FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE AND JULIE ATKINS FROM OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE TEAM. SO IT'S DOWN IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE RIGHT,
SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ENJOY IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO THERE ARE MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER
AGENDAS AND MINUTES. 
          ONCE YOU FIND THE MEETING AGENDA, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS ALL OF THE
SUPPORTING MATERIALS. 
          THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO ABLE TO COMMENT TO ANY AGENDA ITEM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. SHOULD THE PRESENTER HAVE ANY EXHIBITS OR
PHOTOGRAPHS, PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS TO THE CLERK OF COURT FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD. 
          SO COULD WE PLEASE HAVE ROLL CALL? CHAIR. COMMISSIONER KRISTA JOSEPH. 
          PRESENT. VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CLAY MURPHY. 
          PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST. PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ANN TAYLOR. 
          PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO WELCOME PASTOR BOB APPLEBY FROM THE COLONIAL CHURCH UP
FOR OUR INVOCATION. 
          THANK YOU. OUR FATHER. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL THAT WE ARE HERE THIS MORNING. 
          AND FOR YOUR GRACE AND FOR YOUR MERCY. THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY THAT WE LIVE IN,
THIS GREAT STATE AND THIS GREAT COUNTRY. 
          I ASK GOD THAT YOUR WISDOM WOULD POUR FORTH AMONGST OUR LEADERS THAT YOU WOULD PROTECT
THEM. 
          I PRAY, HEAVENLY FATHER, THAT YOUR WILL WOULD BE DONE. 
          MAY EVERYONE WITHIN THIS ROOM TODAY FEEL AND SENSE YOUR PRESENCE AND HEAR YOUR VOICE. 
          MAY THEY KNOW OF YOUR LOVE AND OF YOUR MERCY. 
          I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THE FOOD TRUCK. MAY THEY HAVE GREAT TIMES AND FUN DURING THAT
TIME AND THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING. 
          GOD, I PRAY THAT WE WOULD RELY UPON YOU AND DEPEND UPON YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED,
AND WE GIVE YOU ALL THE GLORY AND ALL THE HONOR IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. AND NOW I'M HONORED TO INVITE CHARLES LABANOWSKI,
SERGEANT OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, FORWARD. BEFORE WE DO THE PLEDGE, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REMEMBER THE VETERANS THAT
HAVE GIVEN US THE FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TO STAND HERE AND DO THE PLEDGE, AND ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE GIVEN THE ULTIMATE
PRICE. 
          AND ALSO, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME HOME THE VIETNAM VETERANS. 
          REPEAT WITH ME. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO
THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE SUCH A SPECIAL PROCLAMATION TODAY. AND BEFORE I CALL UP LIEUTENANT GEORGE HARRIGAN
AND MADISON 
          [Proclamation Recognizing February 2025 as Teen Dating Violence Awareness Month]
SCHMITZ, I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THINGS HAPPEN TO THEM WHEN
THEY THINK THEIR LIFE IS GOING PERFECT, AND THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT. THIS YOUNG LADY IS A HERO FOR WHAT
SHE HAS DONE. 
          SHE'S ON THE FRONT OF SOCIAL AND SHE'S CALLED A FEAT OF RESILIENCE. 
          STRONG WILLED AND DETERMINED TO WALK, MADISON TURNED TRAUMA INTO TRIUMPH AND A LIFELONG
MISSION OF ADVOCACY. 
          PLEASE COME UP AND RECEIVE YOUR PROCLAMATION. 
          A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS,
SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. 
          WHEREAS SAINT JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE COMMITTED TO A FUTURE WHERE
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE FREE FROM DATING, VIOLENCE, ABUSE, FEAR. AND WHEREAS WE RECOGNIZE THAT APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION HIGH SCHOOL
STUDENTS FALL VICTIM TO ABUSE FROM A PARTNER EACH YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES,
YOUNG WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16 AND 24 EXPERIENCE RELATIONSHIP VIOLENCE AT NEARLY THREE TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND WHEREAS CONCERNING STATISTICS INDICATE VICTIMS OF
TEEN DATING VIOLENCE ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, SUICIDAL TENDENCIES ARE MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN UNHEALTHY BEHAVIORS. 
          AND WHEREAS WE RESOLVE THAT GIVING A VOICE TO SURVIVORS OF TEEN DATING VIOLENCE TO PROMOTE
EDUCATION AND AWARENESS IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO PROTECTING 
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OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. AND WHEREAS TEEN DATING VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
INCREASE AWARENESS, PROMOTE HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP BEHAVIORS, AND ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO JOIN TOGETHER IN AN
EFFORT TO END TEEN DATING VIOLENCE. 
          NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF SAINT JOHNS
COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY 2025 BE KNOWN AS TEEN DATING VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH WITH
RESPECT FOR AND IN RECOGNITION OF THE VICTIMS, SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF
SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA THIS FOURTH DAY OF FEBRUARY 2025. THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING TO OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS
MORNING. 
          THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS PLATFORM AND SUPPORTING THIS CAUSE. 
          ON JUNE 3RD, 2023, MADISON SCHMITZ BECAME A VICTIM OF TEEN DATING VIOLENCE. 
          IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE STORY, SHE WAS BRUTALLY ATTACKED IN A PARKING LOT IN PONTE VEDRA. 
          STABBED 17 TIMES AND LEFT PARALYZED. HER REMARKABLE,
INCREDIBLE STORY OF GRIT AND RESILIENCE HAS GRIPPED OUR COMMUNITY AND BEYOND. SO WHO BETTER TO LEAD US IN THE FIGHT AGAINST TEEN DATING VIOLENCE
THAN MADISON SCHMITZ HERSELF? MADISON. GOOD MORNING. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU TO OUR COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE TEEN DATING VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OUR COMMUNITY FOR NOT
ONLY SUPPORTING ME, BUT CONSISTENTLY BRINGING AWARENESS TO SUCH A RELEVANT SOCIETAL ISSUE. 
          I'VE DEDICATED MYSELF TO RAISING AWARENESS TO SUCH ABOUT WHAT HEALTHY AND UNHEALTHY
RELATIONSHIPS LOOK LIKE. 
          AND MY MISSION IS TO INSPIRE CHANGE, WORKING TOWARD A FUTURE WHERE RELATIONSHIP VIOLENCE
NO LONGER EXISTS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON,
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE POWER TO DRIVE THE CHANGES WE NEED IN OUR LIVES. NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO ENDURE WHAT I AND SO MANY OTHERS HAVE BEEN THROUGH. AND I HOPE THAT DURING TEEN
DATING VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH AND EVERY MONTH, YOU'LL JOIN THE MOVEMENT TO MAKE POSITIVE, LIFE CHANGING IMPACT. THIS MONTH SERVES AS A REMINDER TO STAND AGAINST VIOLENCE
AND ABUSE AND BE A VOICE FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT. 
          I'M DETERMINED TO CREATE CHANGE IN THIS WORLD,
AND I'M SO THANKFUL TO HAVE SUCH INCREDIBLE PEOPLE SURROUNDING ME, DETERMINED TO DO THE SAME AS I CONTINUE THIS FIGHT. I HOPE THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH,
YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP FIGHTING YOUR OWN FIGHT. 
          REMEMBER, NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE FACING, YOU'RE NEVER ALONE. YOU'RE NEVER STUCK,
AND THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY OUT. IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH HELL, KEEP GOING. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASED TO MEET YOU. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          SO. DID YOU GUYS. 
          LIKE EACH OTHER? YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          A COUPLE MORE HOURS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD. 
          TO SEE. YOU, SIR. 
          YEAH. WELL DONE. I DIDN'T CRY. DO WE HAVE ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? 
          [Deletions to Consent Agenda]
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? NONE. MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. 
          NONE. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. NONE. COMMISSIONER MURPHY. 
          I'D LIKE TO PULL THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 17. 
          PUT IT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT,
LET'S PUT THAT AT ONE. 
          AYE. AND I HAVE NOTHING. SO LET'S HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT,
PLEASE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT FOR ANY MATTER THAT IS NOT COMING BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION TODAY AND ADDRESSING THE BOARD, PLEASE COME TO ONE OF THE THREE PODIUMS AND STATE YOUR
NAME AND ADDRESS. 
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EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK,
AND WE ASK THAT YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE MICROPHONE. ALL RIGHT. 
          HEY BILL HENNESSY, 5461 FOURTH STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE,
FLORIDA. 
          WINDSWEPT ACRES. THIS ALSO HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH VIOLENCE,
BUT COMPARED TO WHAT THAT GAL WENT THROUGH. 
          I'LL SKIP THE REST OF MY SPEECH. THANK YOU, SIR. 
          GOOD MORNING, BEN GRIGGS, 1902. WINDJAMMER LANE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT I HAD DISCUSSED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER 17TH, WHICH WAS THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE OF 2209,
WHICH WAS A MORE WESTERLY SHIFT OF THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING ANY ATTENTION TO THE. 
          THANK YOU. I'M A ROOKIE AT THIS, SO I THOUGHT. 
          I'LL BEAT THE THREE MINUTES. 
          I GUESS WHILE WE'RE WAITING, I WOULD JUST SAY BACK IN DECEMBER,
THIS THIS MAP HAD BEEN CIRCULATED. 
          BEN THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          CAN YOU WAIT JUST A SECOND AND LET US GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? I THOUGHT THIS WAS GENERAL
PUBLIC. YEAH, THAT WAS. THAT WAS MY FAULT. THIS IS THIS IS JUST FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          SO. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS MY FAULT. WE'RE HERE DISCUSSING THE CONSENT
AGENDA. 
          MISS COLETTI. 
          SORRY I WASN'T UP WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, BJ WEST, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. 
          SINCE DECEMBER 2020, FOR THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF HAS SHUT DOWN THE INMATE SEARCH
WEBSITE, WHICH INFORMS AND PROTECTS THE PUBLIC. THE REASON IS INDIVIDUALS WERE SCAMMED. 
          THIS IS A DISSERVICE TO THE PUBLIC, AND WHAT WE WERE JUST GOING THROUGH WITH THE LADIES
FOLLOWS UP WITH THAT. 
          PROVIDING THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO INMATE NAMES AND CHARGES SHOULD BE OF MORE CONCERN BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC THAN HIDING THIS INFORMATION. 
          MUG SHOTS ZONE BELIEVES EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO ACCESS AND SEARCH PUBLIC CRIME RECORDS. 
          MY QUESTION CONTINUES TO BE WHO FORCED THE SHERIFF TO TAKE THE INMATE SEARCH WEB SITE DOWN
IN JANUARY 2025? THIS YEAR, THERE WERE 65 ARRESTS IN THE CITY LIMITS OF SAINT AUGUSTINE,
ACCORDING TO THEIR RECORDS. 
          LOOKING FORWARD TO PROGRESS ON SEARCH FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. 
          IT'S TIME FOR COUNTY STAFF TO MAKE PRESENTATIONS FOR AGENDA ITEMS,
NOT DEVELOPERS. 
          AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THIS. I THANK YOU FOR MOVING PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE BEGINNING OF
THESE AGENDAS. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? JUST THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH, JUST THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          YES. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, AS AMENDED. 
          [Approval of Consent Agenda]
I SO MOVE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? JUST VOICE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. 
          [Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda]
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. I HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER
TAYLOR. 
          I HAVE NONE. COMMISSIONER MURPHY. I HAVE NONE. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO MOTION TO APPROVE. REGULAR AGENDA. 
          [Approval of Regular Agenda]
SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? VOICE I. 
          I. OKAY. LET'S MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. AT THIS TIME,
WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING 
          [Public Comment]
NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO AGENDA ITEMS TODAY. PLEASE COME TO ONE OF THE THREE PODIUMS. STATE YOUR NAME ADDRESS. YOU WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. FINALLY,
ANY SPEAKER WHO WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MATERIALS, PLEASE UTILIZE THE CENTER PODIUM AND PLACE THAT THOSE MATERIALS ON THE X. GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING, TOM REYNOLDS 112 RC COLA. 32080. 
          FOLKS FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST FOR LAST MEETING. 
          I REALLY LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY COMES WITH FACTS,
AND HE BROUGHT A LOT OF FACTS TO THE TABLE ON ONE OF THOSE VERY IMPORTANT AGENDA ITEMS. 
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FURTHERMORE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER ANN TAYLOR. 
          AND LAST NIGHT, FOLKS, THEY HAD THE BIG AWARD IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. 
          AND SHE WAS RIGHT THERE, THE BIG CIVIL RIGHTS AWARD AND THE WHOLE HISTORY OF BUTLER BEACH. 
          I ALSO WANT TO THANK HER FOR HER SPECIAL INTEREST AND THAT SHE'S PUTTING IN DISTRICT FIVE
COMMISSIONERS, YOU'RE ALL VERY IMPORTANT, BUT SHE'S GOT THE ENGINE ROOM. 
          DISTRICT FIVE. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK TODAY,
CHRISTA JOSEPH, FOR HER PARTICIPATION IN THE IN THE TDC MEETING. 
          SHE BROUGHT SOME VALUABLE STUFF TO THE TABLE. 
          IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE UP AT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE,
THEY OWE THAT LADY A BIG THANK YOU. 
          FOLKS, IN THE FUTURE, COULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER HAVING THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY? YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE AT A STAGE IN THE COUNTY WHERE THAT FIRST MEETING. 
          YOU KNOW, LET'S FACE IT, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY IS NOT IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. 
          WE'RE IN BUSINESS FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE. NO, 1,000,001 BILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR COMPANY IS
CANCELING THE FIRST MEETING. 
          NOW THE 4TH OF JULY ONE. 1ST. OKAY. YOU KNOW,
I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          ALSO, FOLKS, VERY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW HOW IT'S BEEN ON THE NEWS ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA FIRES
IN CONGRESS WANTS SOME STIPULATIONS IN THAT MONEY. WELL, I'M A 25 YEAR CALIFORNIA RESIDENT. 
          I'M SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT, BECAUSE CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN DESTROYED FINANCIALLY. 
          BUT THAT BRINGS ME DOWN HERE TO A SMALLER LEVEL RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY. 
          YOU FOLKS OVERLOOK ALL THE MONIES. AND, YOU KNOW,
IN THE FUTURE, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IS COMING FOR MORE MONEY. 
          AND I REALLY THINK YOU OUGHT TO PUT SOME STIPULATION ON THE DISCUSSION AT THE TDC MEETING, SHE OFFERED, THE MAYOR OFFERS NO APOLOGY. PUT EVERYBODY IN DANGER IN THE CITY,
THE RESIDENTS, THE BUSINESSES, THE VISITORS. I'M TELLING YOU,
I'M LUCKY I DIDN'T HAVE THE BIG ONE BECAUSE THE MEDIC WOULD NEVER GET THROUGH TO ME. 
          THAT'S HOW BAD IT WAS. BUT ANYWAYS, FOLKS, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND REMEMBER WHO LOVES
YOU. 
          THE FATHER ALMIGHTY. HE LOVES US ALL AND WANTS US ALL TO DO BETTER. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. 
          CHUCK LABANOWSKI, 1748 NORTH CAPARO. I'D LIKE US TO TAKE A STEP BACK TEN YEARS AGO AND
LOOK AT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE. 
          HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. WHAT'S A MAJOR CHANGE SINCE 2015? ON THE EAST SIDE, ALMOST EVERYTHING'S BEEN DEVELOPED EXCEPT FOR 3120 TOWNHOUSE UNITS. 
          WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO THE INTERSECTION OF IGP IN 95? HOW ABOUT JUST ON THE WEST SIDE? BUCKY'S HOME DEPOT BASS PRO? BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT'S GOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT? THERE'S A BUNCH OF UNDEVELOPED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN THERE. 
          LET'S GO A LITTLE BIT FARTHER WEST ON IGP. THAT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. 
          IT DEFINITELY IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. EVEN WITH 2209 COMING THROUGH THERE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR ISSUE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WAREHOUSES ARE GOING TO DO TO IT
BEING BUILT. 
          WE DEFINITELY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WALMART GOES IN THERE,
AND THAT'S SURE WISH THAT WE COULD SLOW IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE. I KNOW THERE'S LEGAL ISSUES THERE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING
IN THAT AREA. 
          NOT JUST THERE SPECIFICALLY, BUT ELSEWHERE. PROPOSED CHANGES ARE COMING. 
          THE STATE IS PUSHING IT. FDOT IS PUSHING IT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS PUSHING IT. 
          WE NEED TO DO MORE ON OUR END. WHATEVER WE CAN. 
          DO YOU KNOW MORE LETTERS GOING OUT? I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS SENT OUT LETTER TO KIM KENDALL
ALREADY. 
          BUT LOOK AT THE EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC JUST FROM BUC-EES ALONE. 
          IT'S HORRENDOUS. AND IT'S EVEN WORSE DURING THE HOLIDAYS. 
          HERE'S WHAT THEY COLLECT IN STATE TAXES FOR OVER $4 MILLION IN STATE TAXES. 
          JUST ON THE GAS. WHAT? WHAT'S THE COUNTY REVENUE IN REGARDS TO THE SALES IN THE SHOP
THERE? 
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WE'VE GOT TO GET AWAY FROM THIS. WE'VE GOT TO STOP. 
          TOMORROW IS TOO LATE. AND 16 IS A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT THE COST AND IT'S BEEN STATED HERE
BEFORE 5 MILLION PER MILE, IT'S UP TO 46.5 MILLION PER MILE. WHAT'S THE INTERCHANGE GOING TO COST US IN THE FUTURE IF
WE KEEP DELAYING IT? AND I KNOW FDOT RIGHT NOW, IT WAS SCHEDULED TO START THE CONSTRUCTION ON 95 IN 2023. 
          IT'S YET TO START. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME PUSHING FROM THIS END UP TO WHERE IT COUNTS TO KIM
KENDALL, TO FDOT, TO OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. GIVE THIS A SECOND. GO. 
          BEN GRIGGS, 1902 WINDJAMMER LANE. BACK IN DECEMBER,
A GROUP OF FOLKS CAME TO THE MEETING AFTER KIND OF BEING STARTLED BY A MAP AND SOME PROPOSED ROAD PLANNING. I GUESS THAT GOES THROUGH THE ELKTON KIND OF WEST
SAINT AUGUSTINE AREA. 
          NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT SINCE THEN WE'VE MET WITH A FEW OF YOU OR SOME FOLKS FROM OUR GROUP
IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY HAVE MET WITH SOME OF YOU. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD AND WE WERE TOLD AT THE MEETING THAT THAT ROAD WAS A MISTAKE. 
          WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT ROAD WAS GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE MAP. 
          A COUPLE THINGS HAPPENED. IF YOU CAN NOTE THE DATE OF THE SCREENSHOT THAT I TOOK,
THE MEETING WAS ON DECEMBER 17TH. 
          I TOOK SUCCESSIVE SCREENSHOTS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME,
BUT IN JANUARY IT HADN'T BEEN REMOVED. 
          NOW THE ENTIRE MAP HAS LOST ITS PUBLIC ACCESS,
WHICH I FIND TO BE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S BEING CORRECTED, MAYBE IT'S COMPLETELY AN ACCIDENT. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM RELIABLE SOURCES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE IN PLANNING ON A
GOVERNMENT LEVEL, THAT THIS ADDITIONAL ROUTE, THE GREEN DOTTED LINE,
IS 2209 AND ITS INTENDED CORRIDOR, AND THAT THIS LABELED ROAD 4.29 WAS A BACKUP ROUTE. THE BACKUP ROUTE. IMPACTS PROBABLY NO LESS THAN 60 PROPERTIES,
AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO USE THE WORD EMINENT DOMAIN LIGHTLY, BUT I THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF IMPACT TO HOW YOU WOULD
PURSUE SUCH A ROAD. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID, HERE, AS IT'S LABELED ON THIS INTERACTIVE MAP AND I DON'T KNOW WHO
MAINTAINS THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S LABELED IN A FACILITY OFF COUNTY ROAD 209. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS PROPOSED YEARS AGO AS A BACKUP ROUTE AS DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS
HAVE TAKEN SHAPE IN THE COUNTY. 
          SOME HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN, SOME ARE VOTED UP. 
          THAT IMPACTS THE WAY THE ROAD GOES. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYONE CAN GIVE US A GUARANTEE AS
TO WHERE THIS ROAD IS ACTUALLY GOING. 
          WITH THAT IN MIND, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHO ACTUALLY PUT THAT THERE. 
          I THINK THERE WAS A FEW FOLKS AT THE LAST MEETING IN DECEMBER THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
ACTUALLY ASKED FOR CLARITY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ANY. AND AGAIN,
SINCE THE MAP'S BEEN TAKEN DOWN, SOME OF US HAVE TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF MAKING OUR OWN. 
          SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE BLUE LINE IS THE INTENDED PATH OF 2209. 
          THE DOTTED LINE. IS THIS BACKUP ROUTE? AGAIN,
THE INTERACTIVE PUBLIC MAP YOU NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO TO GET OFF THE ROAD. BECAUSE I THINK EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO FALL ON DEAF EARS. THIS TO
ME IS MORE CONCERNING. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STAKES IN THE GAME. 
          AND I'M JUST HERE SPEAKING TODAY FOR A SMALL HORSE FARM THAT'S MY MOTHER IN LAW'S
HOMESTEAD. 
          THIS, TO ME IS WHAT I WOULD ASK THE COUNTY COMMISSION WHO'S GOING TO PROTECT OUR
AGRICULTURE LAND. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GRIGSON. THANK WAIT OUT HERE. NICOLE CROSBIE, 1169 NECK ROAD. I HAD TO COMPLETELY SCRAP THE PUBLIC COMMENT I
PREPARED FOR TODAY, BECAUSE OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION JUST DID SOMETHING SO APPALLING AND RIDICULOUS. 
          I'M SURE THE STORY WILL END UP BEING TOLD IN ONE OF THOSE WEIRD FLORIDA BOOKS. 
          SO THIS IS HOW SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF JOY ANDREWS,
HONORS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. 
          WE HAVE A HISTORIC JAIL WHERE MARTIN LUTHER KING 60 RABBIS AND MANY OTHER VOICES OF THE
CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WERE IMPRISONED IN AN EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE AND PUNISH THEM FOR FIGHTING AGAINST SEGREGATION. OUR FORMER HISTORIC RESOURCES COORDINATOR,
TREY ASNER, WROTE THAT THE JAIL IS ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC CIVIL RIGHTS SITES IN THE COUNTY,
IF NOT THE COUNTRY. 
          THIS JAIL IS SO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT THAT OUR COUNTY CITED IT AS A REASON FOR THE
STATE'S BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM TO BE LOCATED HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. 
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SO THEN WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY MADE PLANS TO DEMOLISH IT. 
          TO DEMOLISH THE HISTORIC JAIL THAT THEY SAID IS THE REASON THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM SHOULD
BE HERE. 
          HE REALLY CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP. HE SAID THAT TO ENSURE DESTRUCTION OF THE JAIL,
THEY INVITED NO STAKEHOLDERS TO A KEY MEETING ABOUT IT. 
          AND WHO BROUGHT THIS TO THE COUNTY'S ATTENTION? TREY ASNER,
THE HISTORIC RESOURCES COORDINATOR THAT OUR ADMINISTRATION FORCED TO RESIGN. 
          THEY NOT ONLY GOT RID OF HIM, THEY GOT RID OF HIS JOB. GOOD THING HE WAS PAYING ATTENTION
AND BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF COUNTY OFFICIALS. 
          AND THEN JOY ANDREWS IMMEDIATELY WROTE ABOUT A CHANGE OF PLANS. 
          MR. ASNER HAS STATED THAT HE CONSIDERS JOY ANDREWS,
WHO WAS COUNTY MANAGER AT THE TIME, TO BE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING HIM FROM HIS JOB. SPEAKING OF BLACK HISTORY, MR. ASNER SAYS THAT WHEN HE WAS STILL WORKING FOR THE
COUNTY, HE WAS WARNED THAT HE COULD UPSET THE KLAN BY ALLOWING DISCUSSION FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND
JEOPARDIZE THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS DEALS. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT BUSINESS DEALS HE'S REFERRING TO. DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COUNTY. 
          PRESERVING HISTORY AND PRESERVING TREES ARE TWO THINGS THAT RUN COUNTER TO THE WISHES OF
DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING OUR COUNTY. 
          TWO OF THEM ACTUALLY OPENLY BRAG ABOUT THAT FACT RIGHT BEFORE. 
          TO SLOW THE GROWTH, CANDIDATES TOOK OFFICE, TWO OUTGOING COMMISSIONERS,
IN A LAST GASP, PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT TIES THE HANDS OF THE NEW COMMISSION, MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO REPLACE JOY ANDERS WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
THEIR CHOICE. 
          MISS ANDREWS IS A VERY STRONGLY ENDORSED BY TWO COMMISSIONERS ON OUR BOARD WHO ARE HEAVILY
DEVELOPER FUNDED, AND YOU CAN BET THAT THE VERY SAME DEVELOPERS THAT PUT OVER $1 MILLION INTO THE PACK
CAMPAIGN TO SLANDER AND DEFAME, SLOW THE GROWTH CANDIDATES ALSO SUPPORT HER. IN FACT,
IN A LEGAL TEXT CAMPAIGN WAS EVEN SENT OUT THAT LOOKED A LOT LIKE IT CAME FROM DEVELOPERS BASHING COMMISSIONER JOSEPH AND SUPPORTING JOY ANDREWS. 
          TO THOSE FEW PUBLIC COMMENTERS WHO SAID WE MUST SHOW UNITY AND KEEP MISS ANDREWS ON THE ON
THE JOB. 
          I SAY THAT'S NOT UNITY. THAT'S STOCKHOLM SYNDROME. 
          THAT'S EMBRACING THESE DEVELOPERS WHO PAVE OVER OUR COUNTY AND RUN AD CAMPAIGNS TO EXTRACT
EVEN MORE TAX DOLLARS FROM US FOR THEIR ROADS AND THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS VICKI PEPPER. 
          I LIVE ON HARBOR VISTA CIRCLE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE,
AND I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CARE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY. 
          WE'RE AN INFORMAL, INDEPENDENT CIVIC ACTION GROUP THAT GREW OUT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE'S
ONGOING COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EFFORT. 
          CARE'S PURPOSE IS TO SERVE BLACK AND OTHER UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY
BY IDENTIFYING RESOURCES, INCLUDING FUNDING SOURCES, AND LINKING THEM WITH COMMUNITY NEEDS AS IDENTIFIED BY
COMMUNITY LEADERS. 
          I NOTE THAT THE BOCC HAS NOT ISSUED A PROCLAMATION IN RECOGNITION OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH. 
          CERTAINLY, TODAY'S PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING FEBRUARY AS TEEN DATING VIOLENCE AWARENESS
MONTH IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND TODAY'S PRESENTATION WAS VERY MOVING. BUT FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER
COMMUNITY ADVOCATE, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT OUR BOCC HAS ISSUED A BLACK HISTORY MONTH PROCLAMATION AT ITS
FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE A PLAN TO ISSUE SUCH A PROCLAMATION AT YOUR NEXT MEETING,
AND I WELCOME CARE WELCOMES THAT THAT STEP. BUT I HOPE THIS IS A CHANGE IN BOCC CUSTOM DOES NOT REFLECT ANY DEVALUING
BY OUR COUNTY LEADERSHIP, ESPECIALLY AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE SEEKING THE FLORIDA BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM OF
OUR IMPORTANT BLACK HISTORY. 
          LAST NIGHT I ATTENDED, ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER TAYLOR,
THE CITY COMMISSION OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACHES MEETING, AT WHICH THEY ISSUED THEIR FIRST EVER BLACK HISTORY MONTH PROCLAMATION. 
          CARE THANKED THEM THIS FOR THEM FOR THIS IMPORTANT,
SIGNIFICANT STEP. 
          SUCH PROCLAMATIONS ARE ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT AT A TIME WHEN OUR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT SEEMS
TO BE BEING TOLD AT LEAST SOME ELEMENTS, LIKE THE MILITARY, THAT THEY SHOULD NOT RECOGNIZE OR CELEBRATE BLACK HISTORY MONTH. 
          BLACK HISTORY IS AMERICAN HISTORY AND A PART OF OUR HISTORY. 
          WE HAVE NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD AND EMBRACED IN OUR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. 
          SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION'S BLACK HISTORY MONTH PROCLAMATION AT YOUR NEXT
MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS PEPPER. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? 
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GOOD MORNING, SUZANNE CLULOW, 109 LAUREL WOOD WAY 32086. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BRING ONE PIECE TO YOU THIS MORNING THAT I FOUND IN THE VERY EARLY HOURS
OF THIS MORNING WHEN I COULDN'T SLEEP. 
          THAT I FOUND VERY INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, I USUALLY COME AND SPEAK ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          WELL, ON THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF OUR WEBSITE,
I FOUND SOME INTERESTING DATA. 
          THAT IS FAIRLY RECENT TO 2024. AND IT'S ON AN ASPECT OF DATA THAT I HADN'T SEEN BEFORE. WE USUALLY TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORKING IN THE COUNTY WHO CAN
AFFORD TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. 
          HOW MANY ARE GOING HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE TO GO TO WORK AND THEN GO HOME? BUT I'D NEVER SEEN. AND WE KNOW WHAT OUR MEDIAN HOUSE HOUSE COSTS NOW. 
          BUT I HAD NEVER SEEN A BREAKDOWN OF THE MARKET VALUE OF HOUSING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY
BEFORE. 
          AND IT WAS ON THERE THIS MORNING, SO I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS. YEAH, YOU REALLY CAN SEE IT. 
          GOOD. THIS REAL TALL LINE UP HERE. THAT'S YOUR $500,000 MARKET VALUE. HOME. THE LIGHT LINE IS WHAT THEY PROJECT FOR 2029. 
          THE DARK, DARKER BLUE LINE IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. 
          AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IT GIVES YOU NO EXACT HOME VALUES. 
          AND AT THE BOTTOM IT TELLS THAT. THIS IS HOW MANY HOUSES? AT THESE RATES. AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER DATA THAT'S IN A CHART FORM. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOUR LITTLE LINE ACROSS AND THEN KIND OF FIGURE IT OUT. 
          THAT HAS SPECIFICALLY THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS. 
          BUT WHAT REALLY INTERESTED ME IS THE BUNCHING UP OF WHERE THEY'RE AT. 
          DO YOU KNOW THAT BETWEEN 300,000 K AND BELOW,
WE ONLY HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN THE COUNTY, 11% OF OUR HOUSING FALLS THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF CALL OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING,
RIGHT? AND IN 2029 WAS THE PROJECTION 3%. WE HAVE GOT TO DO BETTER. 
          WE HAVE GOT TO GOT TO DO BETTER. WE'RE HEADING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. 
          AND THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY. AS A COUNTY, WE CAN HELP THE DEVELOPERS ALONG A LITTLE BIT
TO BUILD THE RIGHT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT WE REALLY NEED. THANK YOU. 
          VERY MUCH. STEP RIGHT UP. WOW. AM I THE LAST ONE? NO, I JUST DROVE DOWN FROM JACKSONVILLE. ALL RIGHT. 
          HEY, I GOT A NEW SHIRT. FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS JOHN NOONEY. 
          JACKSONVILLE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 2023 0819. 
          AND EXCUSE ME IF I'M OUT OF BREATH, BUT LISTEN,
I GOT A NEW SHIRT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A PLAY ON JAKE. FROM SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY. 
          AND I'M FULL OF SONGS, BUT LIKE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY IS THERE. SO WHAT? I WOULD JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE BEEN HERE,
BUT AND I'LL TELL YOU, I THINK I'M MOVING TO SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY, BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS UP HERE, YOU KNOW,
AS EVIDENCE. 
          YOU KNOW, FROM HERE, I'M GOING TO BE GOING TO THE MAYOR'S DISABILITY COUNCIL UP IN DUVAL
COUNTY. 
          AND THESE ARE THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE MAYOR'S DISABILITY COUNCIL. 
          TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024, 3 P.M.. MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM MEMBERS PRESENT WAS A
MORALES, NATALIE ALDERMAN, BARBARA BROWN, ALEX GONZALEZ,
RON MCCAULEY. 
          YOU CAN JUST READ THROUGH THEM HERE. AD HOC MEMBERS YET MARK PRYOR,
JT DONOVAN GALLAGHER JTA. 
          AARON YOU KNOW, JTA. MIDDLETON JTA. BUT PUBLIC GUESTS,
I'M JUST GOING TO SKIP DOWN HERE. 
          FRED JONES. HASKELL. LIZ PEEK. JTA. PATRICK MOORE. 
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HASKELL. ERIC HASTON. JTA. STEVE GOURDET. CITIZEN. 
          KHADI. CITIZEN. JOHN. NOON. THAT WAS ME. THEY SPELLED MY NAME WRONG. 
          SPEAKER. SO THE MEETING STARTED. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          WELCOME AND INTRODUCTION. PARLIAMENTARY APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          THIS WAS MAY THEN PUBLIC COMMENT. MARCIA WINNARD SAID IN JOHN CHAPTER EIGHT,
VERSE 32, JESUS SAYS YOU SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE. WELL, YOU KNOW,
I'M NOT IN THERE. 
          AND I FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD, AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU UP IN DUVAL COUNTY,
YOU KNOW, JUST DESTRUCTION OF PUBLIC RECORDS. THERE ARE SOME SOME SERIOUS ISSUES. 
          AND THAT MEETING IS TODAY. I'LL BE THERE AGAIN AND I HAVE CONCERNS. 
          I HOPE THEY DON'T EVEN APPROVE THE MINUTES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU RESEARCH AND YOU GO,
HEY, THERE'S NOONE EVEN THERE. 
          I GOT DOZENS OF EXAMPLES, BUT LET ME JUST TELL YOU,
OKAY, I'M 22 SECONDS. 
          THE REASON I'M HERE, IT'S THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. 
          IT'S ALSO FINE. THE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT,
YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE WHEELCHAIR GANG. SO ANYWAY GOSH,
I'M GLAD I MADE IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, LET ME JUST TELL YOU, YOU KNOW VISIT FLORIDA. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN, AND I'LL LEAVE THIS. JOHN, HOW DO YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? OH, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. OKAY. N O O N E Y THANK YOU,
SIR. 
          OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. GOOD MORNING. 
          GERRY BADGER 2772. SHERRY. SHERRY, CAN YOU HANG ON JUST ONE SECOND? RICH, DOES HE NEED TO GIVE US ANYTHING? HEY,
JOHN. 
          JOHN NOONEY HERE. OH. HE LEFT. THANK YOU. SHERRY. 
          THANK YOU, MISS BADGER. PLEASE CONTINUE. ALL RIGHT. 
          ONCE AGAIN, HERE WE ARE. OKAY. THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION,
THE OVERCROWDING, THE RED LIGHTS ON 16 THAT Y'ALL CAN'T EVEN APPROVE BECAUSE IT'S A STATE ROAD. 
          16. Y'ALL NEED TO HALT ALL DEVELOPMENT UNTIL YOU CAME UP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          A BIG BURDEN HAS PUT ON THREE OF YOU AS BEING NEW AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          BUT IT'S RIDICULOUS WHEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT TEN MINUTES TO GET OUT OF A ROAD AND ALL THE WAY
DOWN 16. 
          THE TRAFFIC'S GETTING WORSE. JUST LIKE MR. LEWANDOWSKI SAID,
THAT ONCE WALMART OPENS OUT THEIR FRANCIS ROAD, YOU AIN'T EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO CROSS IT. YOU'RE YOU'RE IN DREADLOCK RIGHT THERE. 
          EVEN AT CULVER'S, IT'S LIKE PLAYING FROGGER,
GETTING ACROSS FOUR LANES OF HIGHWAY. 
          AND IT'S EVERYTHING IS JUST BEING APPROVED. SO WE'RE ASKING Y'ALL TO STOP APPROVING
ANYTHING BEFORE YOU CAN CATCH UP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE CORRUPTION GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. 
          I'VE BEEN COMING OUT HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. YOU MAY THINK THAT YOU HAVE THIS UNDER CONTROL, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T. HOW ABOUT KAREN TAYLOR'S WHEN HER PRESENTATION GOT HACKED? OKAY. THE SAME THING WITH THIS NEW MAP. AREN'T Y'ALL EVEN CURIOUS? ISN'T THERE A, YOU KNOW, I'M A CONSPIRACY THEORIST,
SO. 
          BUT Y'ALL SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION. 
          GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING BILL. GOOD MORNING. I CAN'T HELP BUT BRING THIS UP. 
          SORRY, BILL. NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST. BILL FISHER. 
          I'M PRESIDENT OF FLAGLER STATE ROAD WATER CONTROL DISTRICT 100 130 MCMAHON AVENUE,
HASTINGS. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          FLAGLER ESTATES IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT THIS POINT. 
          HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPERS ARE TRYING TO BUY UP A LOT OF THE FARM AREA. 
          WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THAT. WE MUST KEEP OUR FARMS GOING. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. 
          I GUESS WE'RE STARTING WITH AGENDA NUMBER ONE. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A RED FOLDER. SO WE'RE ADDING THE CLERK OF COURTS ALSO. 
          [1. Constitutional Officers' Update. The Constitutional Officers have been invited to provide a brief update to the Board. Sheriff Hardwick or his designee, and Property Appraiser Eddie Creamer will present updates and relevant information from their respective offices]
SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO START FIRST? OKAY. AWESOME. 
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THANK YOU SIR. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSION MADAM CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK UPDATE. THE WORK THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN DID WITH MADISON AND IN
THAT WHOLE CASE AND THE COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER. 
          COMMISSIONER, YOU DID GOOD. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. I HAD A TEAR IN MY EYE. 
          THAT THAT WAS THAT WAS TOUGH. OH. WHERE DID MY NOTES GO? SO LET'S CONTINUE WITH THE THE VIOLENCE. SO WE HAVE WE OFFER PROGRAM AT THE SHERIFF'S
OFFICE IS CALLED WAVE WOMEN AGAINST VIOLENT ENCOUNTERS. 
          IF ANYBODY IN THE ANY WOMEN IN OUR COUNTY ARE INTERESTED,
JUST REACH OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          WE OFFER THAT AT. YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL PUT ON A CLASS FOR FIVE,
TEN, 20 OR 30 PEOPLE. 
          SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT. 
          ALSO, THERE'S BEEN AN INFLUX OF PHONE CALLS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          I'VE GOT SEVERAL VOICEMAILS FORWARD OF ME. BE CAREFUL IF YOU GET A CALL AND IT SAYS,
MY NAME IS DEPUTY SO-AND-SO. 
          I WORK FOR THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE,
AND YOU MISSED JURY DUTY. 
          OR YOU HAVE A WARRANT OUT FOR YOUR ARREST. AND THE REAL WAY TO TELL IT'S A FRAUD IS THEY
ASK YOU TO PAY WITH GIFT CARDS. 
          I PROMISE YOU, THE SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE DO NOT TAKE GIFT CARDS FOR
PAYMENT FOR ANYTHING. 
          SO BE AWARE OF THAT. THEY REALLY TARGET OUR ELDERLY POPULATION. 
          ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY READ THE JAIL LOG AND THEY SEE SOMEBODY ON THERE THAT THEY CAN TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF. 
          ALSO JUST PARENTS, CONTINUE WITH THIS THEME. JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF WHAT
WEBSITES OUR CHILDREN ARE ON. 
          JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE. HAVE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW,
WATCH THEIR PHONES AND THEIR COMPUTERS JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ON THESE WEBSITES THAT ARE ARE SAFE FOR THEM TO DO. SO. IT CAN'T GO INTO DETAIL,
BUT WE HAD AN INCIDENT JUST A FEW DAYS AGO INVOLVING SOMETHING OF THAT UP IN THE NORTH END. ALSO COMING UP NEXT MONTH, WE HAVE TPC,
SO THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTH EAST PART OF THE COUNTY IN PONTE VEDRA, JUST BE PREPARED FOR GRIDLOCK WITH TRAFFIC. WE KNOW HOW THAT IS. 
          EVERY YEAR WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND GET TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. 
          BUT AS AS WE GET INTO THAT SEASON, JUST BE PREPARED AND KNOW THAT TPC IS RIGHT AROUND THE
CORNER. 
          AND THE LAST THING I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH IS WE HAVE ON FEBRUARY THE 13TH,
WE HAVE BATTLE OF THE BADGES. 
          IT'S WE IT'S A FUNDRAISER WHERE THE FIREMEN AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE,
WE GET IN THE BOXING RING AND WE SEE WHO'S THE BEST. 
          I THINK WE LOST LAST YEAR, DIDN'T WE, DIRECTOR MARK? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE FIREMEN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF US LAST YEAR,
AND THEY. 
          I THINK THEY OUTDID US BY ONE BOUT. BUT LISTEN,
IT'S A GREAT TIME. 
          GO ON OUR WEBSITE. THERE'S STILL TICKETS AVAILABLE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE AMPHITHEATER. AND IT'S A GREAT TIME TO SUPPORT FIRST RESPONDERS. 
          AND THE MONEY IS GOING TO A GREAT CAUSE AS WELL. 
          SO WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR THE COMMISSION,
I'D BE HAPPY TO DO SO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. 
          HAVE A GREAT DAY. I JUST HAVE ONE. I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING OUT THIS YEAR BECAUSE
AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU GUYS GOING TO HAVE TO. COME ON, LET'S GO. YEAH,
WE'LL SHOW UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. PROPERTY APPRAISER EDDIE KRAMER. 
          MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. OOH, THERE IT GOES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE 2025 TAX ROLL. 
          THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. FIRST OF ALL,
THE 2024 TAX ROLL IS NOT FINAL YET. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT IN ABOUT 60 DAYS. AFTER ALL THE VAB DECISIONS ARE RECEIVED BACK
IN, THE VAB CERTIFIES THAT ROLL. SO EVERY YEAR WE START THE PROCESS OVER AS OF JANUARY 1ST,
CREATING THE TAX ROLL FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR, 2025. OUR INITIAL PROCESS IS TO QUALIFY ALL THE SALES IN 2024 THAT WE WILL USE FOR
VALUATION OF RESIDENTIAL. 
          WE HAVE QUALIFIED 15,607 RESIDENTIAL SALES IN 2024 THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE 2025
VALUATION. 
          THE SECOND THING WE DO IS WE ADD ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION TO THE TAX ROLL. 
          NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS TO BE COMPLETED AND OWED BY JANUARY 1ST,
OR IT'S NOT ADDED IN THAT TAX YEAR. 
          SO THIS YEAR WE ARE COMPLETING THAT PROCESS. WE'VE ADDED JUST OVER $2.5 BILLION IN NEW
CONSTRUCTION TO THE ROLE. 
          THAT'S 6021 BUILDINGS. BREAK DOWN OF THAT IS 2.1 BILLION IS RESIDENTIAL AND 397 MILLION IS
COMMERCIAL. 
          SO AFTER THOSE TWO PROCESSES ARE COMPLETE, WE BEGIN OUR VALUATION PROCESS,
WHICH WE ARE IN NOW. 
          VALUATION WILL RUN TO OUR FIRST SUBMISSION TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. 
          DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WILL BE MARCH 31ST. AND THAT'S THE SALES FILES THAT WE SEND WHERE
THEY REVIEW ALL THE QUALIFIED SALES THAT WE'RE USING FOR VALUATION. 
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THEN JUNE 1ST, THE VALUATION WILL GENERALLY BE COMPLETE AND WE WILL DO A FIRST OR AN
INITIAL SUBMISSION TO DO THAT. 
          INITIAL SUBMISSION IS ALSO SENT TO THE TAXING AUTHORITIES IN THE COUNTY SIMULTANEOUSLY
ALONG WITH OUR BUDGET, SO THAT YOU CAN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF FORMULATING YOUR BUDGETS AND MILLAGE RATES FOR THE
YEAR. 
          AT THE END OF THAT 30 DAY PERIOD, WE DO A FINAL OR A FIRST FINAL SUBMISSION TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE THAT TRIGGERS TRIM. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER TRIM AND THEN TAX BILLS AND THAT WE START ALL OVER FROM
THAT PROCESS. 
          RIGHT NOW, I WOULD TELL YOU VALUATION IS GENERALLY 80% COMPLETE. 
          IT WILL BE 95% COMPLETE MARCH 31ST. AND WE WILL GO INTO QUALITY CONTROL FOR THE NEXT TWO
MONTHS BEFORE WE DO THE FINAL SUBMISSION. 
          THE TAXABLE VALUE ON THE TAX ROLL TODAY IS UP 10.4% FROM LAST YEAR. 
          CONSTRUCTION AND ALSO THE ADDITION OF ROLLING FORWARD THE CAPS. 
          SO JANUARY OF EVERY YEAR ALL NON-HOMESTEAD PROPERTY ASSESSED VALUE IS INCREASED 10%. 
          ALL HOMESTEAD PROPERTY ASSESSED VALUE IS INCREASED EITHER BY 3% OR THE CPI,
WHICHEVER IS LOWER. 
          THIS YEAR THE CPI CAME IN AT 2.9%, SO HOMESTEAD PROPERTY ASSESSED VALUES WERE INCREASED
2.9%, WHICH HAS GOTTEN US TO THE 10.4% INCREASE IN THE TAXABLE VALUE. 
          LAST THING I'LL POINT OUT IS THIS YEAR, THE DEADLINE FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FILING IS
MARCH 3RD. 
          MARCH 1ST FALLS ON A SATURDAY, SO THE DEADLINE MOVES TO THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. 
          SO IF YOU'VE NOT FILED FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION,
PLEASE DO SO. 
          YOU CAN DO SO ONLINE, OR YOU CAN DO SO BY COMING IN OUR OFFICE. 
          TO DATE, WE HAVE APPROVED 5048 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION APPLICATIONS. 
          WE'VE ALSO ROLLED OUT A NEW ONLINE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. 
          ADD IN. ABOUT 65% OF ALL OF OUR EXEMPTIONS ARE DONE ONLINE NOW AND I BELIEVE. 
          OH, ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON. LAST YEAR,
THERE WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT THAT INDEXED THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION TO THE CPI. THAT PASSED THAT WENT INTO EFFECT THIS YEAR. 
          SO THE INDEX TO CPI IS ON THE SECOND $25,000 BAND OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION YOU WILL SEE AN SEE AN INCREASE OF $722. 
          AND THAT'S THE APPLICATION OF 2.9% TO THAT INCREASE. 
          SO FOR EXISTING HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, IT IS NOW $50,722. 
          AND FOR NEW HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS IT IS $50,722. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE MATH NERDS LIKE ME,
THAT WILL SAVE THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER ABOUT $5 A YEAR ON THEIR TAXES. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL STOP AND BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          DON'T FORGET TO GET BARBECUE WITH THAT $5. WELCOME HOME. 
          THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. GOOD MORNING. 
          JOINED HERE THIS MORNING WITH ELIZABETH GONZALEZ. SHE'S OUR INTERIM INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION GIVES THE CLERK'S OFFICE,
CLERK AND CONTROLLER'S OFFICE THE AUTHORITY TO BE THE INTERNAL AUDITOR OF THE BC AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT OR COUNTY ADMIN, AND WE CONDUCT THAT THROUGH THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S
OFFICE. 
          AND SO SHE IS HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE 2025 AUDIT PLAN. 
          LIZ. THANK YOU. PATTY. GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT IS MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE 2025 ANNUAL AUDIT PLAN FROM THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL'S OFFICE. 
          YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A COPY THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU. 
          FOR ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN READING THE PLAN,
IT IS AVAILABLE ON THE CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE UNDER THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S PAGE. SHARING OUR PLAN AND OUR METHODOLOGY FOR PREPARING THE PLAN IS JUST ONE OF THE WAYS OUR OFFICE CAN
BE TRANSPARENT AND DEMONSTRATE OUR COMMITMENT TO MOST EFFICIENTLY DELEGATING OUR RESOURCES TO PROVIDE THE GREATEST VALUE TO THE COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS. 
          THE AUDIT PLAN WAS PREPARED BY OUR EXCEPTIONALLY TALENTED AND HARD WORKING AUDIT TEAM,
LED BY OUR DIRECTOR OF AUDIT, BROOK TEFFT. TO PREPARE FOR THIS PLAN, WE USED A COMPREHENSIVE,
RISK BASED METHODOLOGY RECOMMENDED BY THE INSTITUTE OF TWO OF INTERNAL AUDITORS. 
          GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED STANDARDS AND FRAMEWORK. THE ANNUAL RISK ASSESSMENT PROCESS BEGAN WITH
COLLECTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE COUNTY'S BUDGET, DEPARTMENTS AND OPERATIONS, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE VALUABLE AND GREATLY
APPRECIATED FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNTY DIRECTORS, ADMINISTRATION, AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. WE USED THAT INFORMATION TO ESTABLISH THE
AUDITABLE AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY, THEN ASSESSED THE RISK IN EACH AREA TO DETERMINE WHICH COULD HAVE THE MOST IMPACT ON THE
ACHIEVEMENT OF THE COUNTY'S OBJECTIVES. 
          WE USED RISK CRITERIA. WE ESTABLISHED RISK CRITERIA AND CALCULATED THE RISK FOR EACH AREA
BASED ON A WEIGHTED RANKING SYSTEM TO DETERMINE WHICH AREAS WE SHOULD DELEGATE OUR RESOURCES TO. ONCE THE RISK AREAS WERE SCORED,
WE CALCULATED THE ESTIMATED RESOURCES SO THE AVAILABLE AUDITOR HOURS WE HAD TO 
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DELEGATE TO EACH AUDIT, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTY'S PLANNED
AUDITS, WE ALSO PERFORMED THE EMERGENCY AUDITS AS THEY ARISE. 
          STATUTORY COMPLIANCE AUDITS SUCH AS FOR GUARDIANSHIPS AND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX
COMPLIANCE, AS WELL AS PROVIDING ADVISORY SERVICES TO THE CLERK. 
          THIS YEAR, WE ESTIMATED 3600 AVAILABLE AUDITOR HOURS AND SELECTED SIX PLANNED COUNTY
AUDITS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE REPORT. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE COUNTY TO EXECUTE THIS PLAN AND
REPORTING ON OUR FINDINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR ALL WHO PARTICIPATED AND HAD PROVIDED
VERY VALUABLE FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          I WELCOME ANYONE INTERESTED TO READ THE FULL AUDIT PLAN TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN. 
          IT IS ON THE CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE UNDER THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S PAGE AND REACH OUT TO
OUR OFFICE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLAN, THE PLANNING PROCESS OR OUR OFFICE. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF THE ANNUAL AUDIT
PLAN. 
          UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE IG BEFORE YOU? I'M SORRY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT. YEAH. NO,
NO. 
          SO WE ENDED UP IT WAS. EXCUSE ME. THIS WAS MAY OF LAST YEAR. 
          THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, WE PARTED WAYS. AND SO DURING THAT PROCESS,
WE BROUGHT LIZ IN. 
          SHE WAS ALREADY IN THE OFFICE. SHE'S BEEN IN THE OFFICE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS,
MADE HER AS THE INTERIM INSPECTOR GENERAL, AND HAS BEEN EXECUTING SINCE THEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE A NEW ONE OR IS SHE GOING TO. 
          WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YEAH. NO, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE THE TRANSITION PLAN,
IF YOU WILL, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HER HOPEFULLY IN THE PLAN IS, IS TO BE ABLE TO HELP CHECK SOME BOXES, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I'M BACK TO BE ABLE TO BE THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          TRULY, WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THIS OFFICE AND WHAT IT HAS CAUSED,
I THINK SOME OF THE THE STRESS, THE ANGST IS THAT WHEN YOU HEAR INSPECTOR GENERAL,
YOU THINK INDEPENDENT, YOU THINK INDEPENDENT BUDGET, YOU THINK INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY. AND GENERALLY IN LIKE A FEDERAL AGENCY OR WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE OR ANY OF THESE OTHERS. 
          THAT'S HOW AN INSPECTOR GENERAL IS HELD HERE IN FLORIDA. 
          OUR MODEL IS UNIQUE IN THAT THE CLERK HIMSELF OR HERSELF,
THE OFFICE IS THE INTERNAL AUDIT. 
          AND IN 2016, THE INTERNAL AUDIT BECAME THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE. 
          AND IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THERE WAS NO POWER THAT CHANGED,
THOUGH THE AUTHORITY STILL RESTS IN THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. 
          SO SOMETIMES WHAT YOU WHAT WE'VE RUN INTO IS THAT IF YOU HAVE ESPECIALLY EXPERIENCED
INSPECTOR GENERALS WHO ARE TALENTED AND COMMITTED AND PROFESSIONAL, THEY MIGHT BE NECESSARILY FOCUSED ON THE MODEL YOU SEE AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT VERSUS
THE MODEL WE HAVE HERE IN FLORIDA. 
          SO PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR IS THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL MODEL HERE IN FLORIDA. 
          AND SO, LIZ, SHE DERIVES HER AUTHORITY FROM FROM ME AND FROM THE OFFICE ITSELF. 
          IT'S NOT SEPARATE AND DISTINCT. AND AS I SAID THAT THAT IS UNIQUE. 
          SO PART OF THIS TRANSITION WE'VE HAD SINCE MAY IS BEING ABLE TO HELP REALLY INSTILL THAT,
BECAUSE IT'S IT'S SELF-EVIDENT THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, FIVE, ROUGHLY FIVE YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN SOME LEVEL OF TRYING TO FIND A GOOD FIT FOR THAT
POSITION. 
          AND THE CONSTRUCT WE HAVE IN FLORIDA WITH THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE BEING A PART OF
THE CLERK'S OFFICE. SO IT'S IT'S UNIQUE IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE, SEPARATE AND INDEPENDENT, BUT IT'S STILL PART OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE,
WHOSE AUTHORITY IS DERIVED THROUGH THE OFFICE AND THROUGH THE OFFICE HOLDER. SO THAT WAS A BIG PART OF SOME OF THE, THE, THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL,
THANK YOU FOR FOR THE REPORT. 
          SHOULD WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT. IT IS AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          OH IT'S I WAS GOING TO ASK ANYONE. OH ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ONE A. 
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GOOD MORNING, MR. CAIN. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR COMMISSIONER RYAN CAIN,
YOUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          PRESENTING HERE ON THE SHORE DRIVE TRAIL GRANT EXTENSION. 
          AND SO I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR HERE,
BUT JUST RECAP 3.25 MILE MULTI TRAIL USE. 
          THAT WOULD CONNECT THE DOUG CRANE AND MULTI CREEK BOAT RAMPS AND THE SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH
NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WOULD BE ADA ACCESSIBLE AND IT WOULD BE AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE PAVED ASPHALT TRAIL. 
          JUST QUICKLY THAT HAS COME BEFORE THE BOARD WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION. 
          REQUEST IN 2021, AUTHORIZATION FOR THE GRANT AGREEMENT IN 2022. 
          AND THEN THE CONTRACT WAS BROUGHT BACK UP IN 2024. 
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THE CONTRACT WAS AWARDED FOR 801,000 $732,000. 
          CURRENTLY IN PLACE, THE COUNTY HAS THE PERMITS AND APPROVALS THAT ARE REQUIRED BEYOND THE
GRANT. 
          NOTICE TO PROCEED. MOVE FORWARD SO ALL PERMITS ARE IN PLACE. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE ARE THE FINAL STEP. WE ARE WAITING FOR. 
          WITH THE GRANT AGREEMENT, IT WOULD BE TO HAVE A FULL SURVEY. 
          THAT IS THE THE FINAL KNOWN DELIVERABLE FROM THE COUNTY TO THE STATE. 
          DEP FOR THE TRAILS GRANT IS A FULL SURVEY OF THE SITE,
AND THE GRANT AGREEMENT EXPIRES ON MARCH 8TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          THE REQUEST IS TO EXTEND THE GRANT FOR ANOTHER FULL YEAR TO MARCH 7TH OF 2026. 
          THE EXTENSION IS REQUIRED FOR COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY BOARD QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER MURPHY. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RYAN. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. 
          THIS IS A VERY POLARIZING ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S BEEN GOING ON FAR TOO LONG. WE PROBABLY NEED TO STICK A PIN IN THIS,
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS OF COMING TO THESE MEETINGS IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE INTRODUCED A COMPROMISE THAT WOULD THAT MOST PEOPLE
COULD GET ON BOARD WITH, WHICH WOULD BE A SIDEWALK AND OR A WIDENING OF THE ROAD. 
          THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR GREG CALDWELL. GREG,
ARE YOU IN THE BUILDING? OKAY. SO SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE HAVE ANY REPAVING PROJECTS FOR SHORE DRIVE
COMING UP? AND IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PIGGYBACK A ROAD WIDENING TO THAT WOULD SOLVE THE SAME
PURPOSE WITHOUT PUTTING AN EIGHT FOOT STRIP THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK. 
          SURE. GREG CALDWELL, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING COMING UP ON THE SHORE DRIVE REPAVING PROGRAM. 
          I WILL CHECK ON THAT COMMISSIONER AND GET BACK TO YOU. ANY ROADWAY WIDENING? IF WE WANTED TO PUT SHOULDERS, BIKE LANES OR ANYTHING ON THAT. 
          MY EXPECTATIONS ARE THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS GOING TO REQUEST A FULL PERMIT
FOR US TO DO THE ROADWAY WIDENING. 
          THAT WOULD BE TIME AND COSTLY FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING IS TREATED WITH THE WATER JUST RUNS OFF THE ROADWAY INTO THE SWALES
OR OTHER AREAS. 
          IF WE DO A MAJOR ROADWAY PROJECT, WE WOULD NEED TO BRING THEM UP TO FULL NEW STANDARDS
WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND MAYBE OTHERS. 
          I WOULD EXPECT THAT WOULD BE TIMELY AND COSTLY. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT WE COULD AS DIRECTED. THANK YOU. 
          GREG. NO MORE QUESTIONS. ANY DISCUSSION AT ALL? LET'S JUST GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AFTERWARDS. OKAY. 
          WE'LL NOW HEAR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE A. 
          THE SHORE DRIVE EXTENSION FOR THE REQUEST FOR. 
          THE GRANT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. 
          JACKIE LEBLANC 3930 VEIL POINT TERRACE 32086. 
          I VISIT THE SHORES PARK QUITE OFTEN, AND I. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SO LONG. 
          PLEASE DON'T GRANT THIS REQUEST. LET'S GET THIS THING DONE. 
          I AM AGAINST IT. THAT IS, THERE IS JUST A VERY,
VERY THIN WOODED AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT AN EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT THROUGH. I LIVE IN VEIL POINT AND WE HAVE A PARK THERE WHERE THERE IS ASPHALT. 
          IT'S HIGH AND DRY. WHERE I LIVE AT VEIL POINT ON THE IT'S NEVER UNDERWATER,
BUT YET IT STILL HAS CONSTANT PATCHES AND CRACKS AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S FINE. IT'S GREAT FOR, YOU KNOW,
WALKING AND HIKING, BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR THIS ASPHALT IN THAT VERY, VERY NARROW PART OF THE WOODS. THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR IT. 
          THEY CLAIM WE NEED AN ADA WAY TO WALK THROUGH. 
          YOU CAN WALK THROUGH NOW. IT'S DIRT. IT'S NATURAL. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU WANT TO PUT EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT THROUGH THERE IN AN AREA THAT IS
UNDERWATER AT LEAST 2 TO 3 TIMES A YEAR. 
          ALL I SEE IS DEGRADATION OF THAT ASPHALT. WE HAVE DEGRADATION,
AS I SAID IN VEIL POINT PARK, WITH NO WATER INTRUSION, THAT THAT THING IS UNDERWATER OVER THERE AT THE SHORES PARK,
AT LEAST 2 OR 3 TIMES A YEAR, IT'LL BE CRACKED AND NEED PATCHES AND MAINTENANCE,
AND IT CERTAINLY WILL NOT BE AT THAT POINT. 
          ADA FRIENDLY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHEELCHAIR OR EVEN A BICYCLE,
MAYBE. 
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BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH RESEARCH INTO THE ALTERNATIVE,
WHICH WOULD BE A SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROAD. 
          THAT'S THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE THAT ARE AGAINST THIS OR EXCUSE
ME, THEY THEY REALLY THEY WANT A PATH TO WALK WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WALK IN THE ROAD. 
          YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THERE NOW, LIKE I SAID,
IT'S JUST NATURAL. 
          AND IT'S DIRT. IT'S STICKS, IT'S BRANCHES, EIGHT FOOT. 
          THOSE TREES, THEY MAY NOT DIE TODAY. THEY MAY NOT DIE TOMORROW. 
          BUT THOSE TREES ARE GOING TO BE GONE. AND THERE'S NOT VERY THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH THERE
FOR AN EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT PARK THROUGH THERE. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE THE REASON IN IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NICOLE CROSBIE, 1169 NECK ROAD. I REALLY LIKE COMMISSIONER MURPHY'S COMPROMISE IDEA OF A
SIDEWALK, AND I AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I KNOW THAT GREG CALDWELL DID AN AMAZING,
HEROIC JOB OF RESPONDING TO NEIGHBORS. 
          AND ON MCLURE, WHERE WE WERE, WE HAD A WHOLE LABYRINTH OF SIDEWALKS AND TREES AND,
YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TREES TAKEN DOWN. 
          AND HE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO SAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THEM. 
          HE DID A GREAT JOB OF IT. AND I JUST REALLY,
REALLY HOPE THAT THAT SIDEWALK APPROACH IS GOING TO BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED. 
          I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT I AM FAMILIAR WITH DAN AND CHUCK LIPPY'S ASSESSMENT. 
          THEY ARE THE MASTER ARBORISTS WHO ASSESSED THE WHOLE SITUATION,
AND THEY SAID THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU COULD PUT IN THAT, WALKWAY THROUGH THE TREES AND SAVE THE TREES AND NOT HAVE CRACKING ASPHALT IS IF YOU
LITERALLY HAD TO RAISE LIKE ONE OF THOSE RAISED WOODEN THINGS, I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO. I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT,
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PLAN IS. 
          ASPHALT IS GOING TO BE CRACKED, AS JACKIE JUST SAID,
IT'S GOING TO CREATE A NEW KIND OF HAZARD. 
          ONCE THE ROOTS PUSH UP THE CRACKS, AND THEN AS THE TREES DIE,
AS THE LIPS PREDICT THAT THEY COULD, THEN YOU'LL HAVE DIE OFF BRANCHES FALLING. THAT'S YET ANOTHER HAZARD. 
          SO I REALLY, REALLY HOPE THAT THE BOARD WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE SIDEWALK IDEA,
IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE HUNT,
MILL CREEK ESTATES. I LOOK AT IT IN THIS TYPE OF PICTURE,
IF IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE ASPHALT PATH. 
          IS THAT HOW WIDE IT'S GOING TO BE WHEN THEY CLEAR IT? AND TO GET THE MACHINERY DOWN THERE TO LAY THE ASPHALT OR IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE
ACTUALLY WIDER THAN EIGHT FOOT TO GET ALL THAT DOWN THERE. 
          SO IT'LL CLEAR MORE TO GET THE EIGHT FOOT PATH THROUGH THERE,
YOU KNOW USING A SENTENCE LIKE THAT. 
          SO BUT YEAH, WILL IT JUST BE EIGHT FOOT FROM SIDE TO SIDE,
OR WILL IT BE WIDER TO DO THE PATH? ALL RIGHT. IT'S IT'S COMMON SENSE. YOU CAN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE EQUIPMENT DOWN THERE IF
YOU'RE DOING THE EIGHT FOOT PATH AND YOU GOT A TREE RIGHT THERE. 
          SO IT'S TO CLEAR IT OFF EVER. SO HOW MANY FEET ON EACH SIDE NEEDS TO BE CLEARED FOR THAT
PATH. 
          SO THE PATH MAY BE EIGHT FOOT, BUT THE ACTUAL WIDE AREA COULD BE 12,
15 FOOT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAR TO GET THE EIGHT FOOT PATH DOWN THERE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON OUR AGENDA? ITEM NUMBER ONE? DON'T BE SHY. COME ON. 
          THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. DAVE HANKLA, I'M AT 3702 SHORE DRIVE. 
          I'M A RETIRED WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST, COASTAL ECOLOGIST,
LONG TIME ADMINISTRATOR FOR FEDERAL NATURAL RESOURCE CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, AND A CONSULTANT TO THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE
CONSERVATION COMMISSION ON ISSUES RANGING FROM WETLAND RESTORATION, BROAD SCALE HABITAT CONSERVATION CONNECTIVITY,
AND IMPERILED SPECIES CONSERVATION. 
          I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BOATING SAFETY ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR FOUR YEARS. 
          I HAD AN APPOINTMENT FROM GOVERNOR SCOTT. I'M HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO REQUEST AN
EXTENSION OF THE STATE GRANT FOR SHORE DRIVE TRAIL. 
          SHORE DRIVE TRAIL IS NEEDED TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY ON SHORE DRIVE AND FACILITATE USE OF
THE PARK. 
          I'VE NOTICED THE SPEAKERS SO FAR DON'T SEEM TO BE THAT FAMILIAR WITH OUR PARK. 
          IT'S MOSTLY GRASS. THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE TREE CLEARING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT
ASSOCIATED TO IT. 
          THERE'S NO ISSUES ACCESSING THE SITE. WE NEED TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY,
FACILITATE USE OF THE PARK, 
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AND THAT WOULD SERVE THE BROADEST SPECTRUM OF RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY.
YOUNG PEOPLE, OLD PEOPLE, ABLE BODIED OR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES. 
          BY ACHIEVING THESE MULTIPLE GOALS, THE COUNTY WILL GET THE GREATEST RETURN ON ITS
INVESTMENT WITH MINIMAL DISRUPTION TO THE ENVIRONMENT. EXTENDING THE GRANT PROVIDES MAXIMUM FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY TO THE COUNTY AS IT MOVES FORWARD. 
          IF WE HAVE A USE FOR THE STATE FUNDS THERE, THEY'RE LETTING THE GRANT EXPIRE NEEDLESSLY
REDUCES OUR OPTIONS AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT TODAY. 
          THANKS. THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS BRUCE MILLIKEN. I LIVE AT 2706 SHORE DRIVE. 
          CONCERNED CITIZEN IN REGARDS TO THE TRAIL WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT FORTH TO THE COMMUNITY
AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          IT WAS DURING A PARK AND RECREATION PRESENTATION REGARDING THE THE RENOVATION OF THE BOAT
RAMPS. 
          NOW, PARK AND RECREATION HAS, IF I COUNT CORRECTLY,
IS ABOUT FIVE SITES ALREADY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO BOAT RAMPS. WE HAVE A BOARDWALK,
WE HAVE LEWIS POINT, AND WE ALSO HAVE A PLAYGROUND WITH A BASKETBALL COURT AND SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS. THAT'S QUITE THE IMPACT FOR JUST A SMALL LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM PARK
AND RECREATION. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE WALKING ALONG SHORE DRIVE. 
          I WALK SHORE DRIVE, AND I DO TAKE IT. I DO TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO GET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE ROAD, IF POSSIBLE, IF THERE'S A CAR COMING SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ME. 
          I TRY TO GET AS FAR AS WAY AS I CAN FROM THE CAR. 
          I ALSO GO INTO THE GRASS IF I'M ON THAT SIDE. 
          SO THERE ARE THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, I BELIEVE,
THAT CAN COME FORTH THROUGH THE COUNTY, THAT IF THERE IS A CONCERN IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC SAFETY, I THINK THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED. I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT EXTENDING THIS
APPLICATION IS A GOOD IDEA. 
          IT'S COSTLY. NOW BY THE TIME IT STARTS TO GET STARTED AND BEING BUILT,
YOUR COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP TO THE COUNTY. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY OPINIONS ON THIS. I PREFER THAT THAT THIS IMPACT FEE,
AS YOU GUYS SAT THROUGH THE LAST MEETING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THERE'S QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO AN IMPACT FEE,
WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT GET THE MONEY FROM THE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE. 
          IS IT CLASSIFIED AS NEW CONSTRUCTION OR IS IT NEW DEVELOPMENT? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE CONCERNS THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO THAT THAT COMPANY
THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH TO DECIDE WHETHER IMPACT FEES CAN BE USED FOR THAT TRAIL. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS IN WITH THIS. 
          AND I DO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU GUYS, IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE THAT IF WE CAN EITHER MAYBE
PUT SPEED BUMPS IN TO SLOW THE CARS DOWN ON SHORE DRIVE. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOVES TO DRIVE ALONG SHORE DRIVE. 
          IT'S NATURAL. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. THE DEVELOPERS BACK IN 1950S KNEW THAT,
AND THEY LEFT THAT SPACE. 
          I'M SURE THEY COULD PROBABLY MOVE THAT, YOU KNOW,
A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THEY MAYBE COULD GET A HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, BUT THEY DECIDED TO MAKE IT A GREEN SPACE AREA. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF GREEN SPACES IN SAINT JOHNS
COUNTY. 
          LET'S TRY TO PROTECT MOTHER EARTH AS BEST WE CAN AND COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? MARGO GEER, 249 ARGONAUT ROAD. MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. 
          CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 17 WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY THE EXTENSION OF THE
GRANT. 
          IN YOUR PACKETS, THE ATTACHMENT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WAS 479 PAGES OF ALREADY
EXECUTED COUNTY WORK, HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF TIME, SURVEYS, EVERYTHING ALREADY DONE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ADMIT THAT IT'S BEEN DIVISIVE. 
          DIVISIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR LOTS OF REASONS THAT WE WON'T TAKE YOUR TIME ON GOING
INTO HERE. 
          BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SIDEWALK PROPOSAL IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IN THE $5 MILLION RANGE. 
          AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND FROM RYAN THAT IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE 1.7 IN IMPACT FEES THAT'S
ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR THIS. 
          SO WE'VE COME SO FAR. LET'S KEEP THE APPLICATION GOING. 
          AND THEN IF THERE'S NEED TO COMPROMISE OR SOMETHING THEN WE CAN SORT IT OUT. 
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BUT LET'S NOT SHELVE THIS RIGHT NOW OVER THIS GRANT AGREEMENT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          SUZANNE CLULOW 109. LAUREL WOOD WAY 32086. THIS IS NOT A NEW PROJECT THAT JUST CAME UP. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS. 
          IT WAS SHELVED FOR YEARS. BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FINANCIAL WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IN 2021. THE THEN SITTING BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VOTED FIVE ZERO TO PROCEED WITH THIS
GRANT TO APPLY FOR IT. THE COUNTY STAFF DID A STELLAR JOB. 
          WE WERE NUMBER ONE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE VYING FOR THAT GRANT. 
          WE GOT IT. ENGINEERED PLANS WERE PUT TOGETHER. 
          THIS BOARD, THIS HAS COME BEFORE THIS BOARD. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES. 
          EVERY TIME THERE'S AN ITEM REFERENCING THIS PARK,
WE'RE FIGHTING OVER THE SAME INFORMATION BATTLE THAT WE FOUGHT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. ALL THESE THINGS THESE PEOPLE HAVE COME UP AND SAID, THIS ISN'T NEW INFORMATION. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS. 
          SIDEWALK SIDEWALKS WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD HAVE A SIDEWALK THERE. 
          I WOULD PROBABLY THINK THAT WAS WONDERFUL, BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS IS SAFETY OF
PEOPLE WALKING ON THAT STREET, NOT ONLY PEOPLE WALKING ON THE STREET, BUT THEY'RE PUSHING THEIR BABY BUGGIES. 
          THEY'RE TEACHING THEIR KIDS TO RIDE BIKES. OLD PEOPLE,
YOUNG PEOPLE, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. 
          THE ONLY ONES THAT DON'T USE IT SO MUCH ARE THE ONES WITH AN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR OR A
WHEELCHAIR. 
          AND THE TRAIL WOULD BENEFIT THOSE PEOPLE. A SIDEWALK WOULD BENEFIT THEM TOO. 
          THERE WOULDN'T BE THE TWO WAY TRAFFIC DEAL, BUT IT WOULD WORK. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THREE YEARS. 
          WE WHEN SIDEWALKS HAVE COME UP THAT THE EXPENSE IS THROUGH THE ROOF,
AND ALL THIS RE-ENGINEERING WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE. AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE CAN'T USE THE IMPACT FEES THAT THAT'S GONE. THIS THIS GRANT GONE. AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SIDEWALK NEEDS THERE ARE IN THE SOUTH
EAST QUADRANT OF THIS COUNTY? DECADES. IT TAKES DECADES TO GET SIDEWALKS ON MAJOR STREETS. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. PLEASE EXTEND THIS. 
          GRANT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING. I'M RUTH HOPE. I LIVE AT 133 NEPTUNE ROAD,
SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH, WHICH IS STRAIGHT OFF SHORE DRIVE. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES AND ADVOCATED FOR THE TRAIL FOR THESE REASONS. 
          EQUITY AND ACCESS. PEOPLE WHO ARE MOBILITY IMPAIRED AND SIGHT IMPAIRED OR LIKE ME,
HAVE PERIPHERAL NEURITIS IN THEIR FEET. 
          CANNOT WALK EXTENSIVELY ON GRASS. I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT SOME NEW INFORMATION. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH OLD ARGUMENTS. I WOULD DO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW,
ONE AREA ON SHORE DRIVE THAT IS FLOODED THREE TIMES A YEAR. WE GET FLOODING IN A VERY SMALL PART OF THE SHORE DRIVE WATERFRONT PARK WHEN THERE
ARE VERY HIGH KING TIDES, BUT MAINLY DURING DURING THE HURRICANES. 
          SO MOST OF SHORE DRIVE IS NOT FLOODED AT ALL ONCE A YEAR. 
          CERTAINLY NOT THREE TIMES A YEAR. I LIVE THERE AND I'M OUT ON THE ROAD EVERY DAY SEVERAL
TIMES. 
          BUT WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW IS I'M A DOG OWNER,
SO I AM OUT AT NIGHT. 
          LAST EVENING I WAS OUT TWICE AT THE LONGEST NIGHT PART OF THE YEAR FOR 2 OR 3 WEEKS AROUND
THE 21ST OF DECEMBER. 
          I'M OUT THREE TIMES IN THE DARK. NOW, I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN AS A DRIVER THAT THERE ARE DOG
WALKERS TAKING OVER THE NIGHT ON 
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SHORE DRIVE. I SEE THEM WHEN I DRIVE ALONG THERE,
BUT WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW IS WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING A DOG ON SHORE DRIVE IN THE DARK. I TRIED TO TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH TO SHOW YOU,
AND I CAN'T WITH MY CAMERA, BUT I DID TAKE THIS PHOTOGRAPH. 
          ON ONE OF MY NIGHTS OUT IN JANUARY. THE ACTUAL ROAD GOES FROM DOWN HERE. 
          OVER HERE. MOST OF THE YEAR I JUST HAVE THAT ONE LIGHT TO GUIDE ME. 
          BUT AT CHRISTMAS, WITH THE LIGHTS, ONE OF MY DEAR NEIGHBORS PUTS LIGHTS ON AND THAT GIVES
ME A LOT OF COMFORT, ACTUALLY. IT'S DARK. WHY AM I TELLING YOU THIS? WELL, I'M OUT LIKE THIS. THAT'S TAKING CLOSE UP LAST NIGHT WITH ME AND THE PUPS. 
          YOU'D THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD KNOW I WAS THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT QUITE SO OBVIOUS FROM FURTHER AWAY. 
          AND IT SEEMS THAT DRIVERS JUST ASSUME THERE'S NOBODY ON THE ROAD. 
          AND THE SPEEDING, WHICH OCCURS ALL DAY AT ALL TIMES IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH,
IS WORSE AT NIGHT. 
          I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THAT. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE VISIBLE,
I THINK AS VISIBLE AS WE CAN BE. 
          AND I CARRY A FLASHLIGHT. THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT WE HAVE TO HURRIEDLY SKEDADDLE OFF THE
ROAD IS HORRIBLE. 
          SO I VERY MUCH URGE YOU, PLEASE CONTINUE WITH THIS GRANT AND GIVE US A TRAIL. 
          GET US OFF THE ROAD FOR THE SAFETY AND ENJOYMENT OF EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MISS PEPPER. 
          GOOD MORNING AGAIN. I'M STILL VICKI PEPPER. I STILL LIVE ON HARBOR VISTA CIRCLE IN SAINT
AUGUSTINE, AND I'M STILL HERE TODAY REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CARE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL
EQUITY. 
          I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THIS ISSUE WAS COMING UP TODAY,
BUT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE AN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY FOR WHICH CARE ADVOCATES. 
          I WENT OUT AND WALKED IN THE SHORE DRIVE AREA AND SAW THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAW THE PROBLEM
WITH THE ROAD AND THE SAFETY ISSUES, AND ALSO SAW THE BEAUTIFUL AREA OUT THERE. BEFORE CARE COMMENTED ON THIS PLAN FOR THE
TRAIL MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN FULLY AIRED. 
          ALL ISSUES HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED. PARKS AND RECREATION HAS TAKEN ALL COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND
VIEWS INTO CONSIDERATION IN DEVELOPING ITS WELL THOUGHT OUT PLANS. PLEASE STAY THE COURSE ON THIS TRAIL AND EXTEND THE GRANT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ONE A? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M CARRIE ANN BOURDON I LIVE AT 171 POMPANO ROAD IN SAINT
AUGUSTINE SOUTH. 
          JUST TO ADDRESS THE ONE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE TRAIL. 
          YES. THE PAVED PART OF THE TRAIL IS EIGHT FEET. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, IT'S VERY CLEAR THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAR 14FT WIDE IN ORDER TO
LAY DOWN THE EIGHT FEET OF ASPHALT. 
          SO HE WAS CORRECT THAT THEY COULDN'T PUT DOWN EIGHT FEET WITH AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE SWATH. 
          THEY HAVE TO CUT 14FT. AS FAR AS THE DISABILITY ISSUE,
I'M NOT DISABLED, BUT I HAVE NEUROPATHY IN MY FEET. 
          AND I'VE BEEN WALKING MY DOG ALONG SHORE DRIVE FOR TEN YEARS,
AND I CAN STILL DO THAT TODAY AND TOMORROW WITHOUT A TRAIL. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK WHERE YOU'RE WALKING. AND YEAH,
SOMETIMES PEOPLE GO REALLY, REALLY, REALLY FAST ON SHORE DRIVE. THEY TREAT IT LIKE A HIGHWAY,
WHICH IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S A ROAD THROUGH A COMMUNITY. AND IF THE SIDEWALK IS NOT FEASIBLE,
HOW ABOUT SPEED BUMPS? WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PEOPLE SLOW DOWN. WE CAN NEVER SEEM TO GET ANYBODY TO COME AND
ENFORCE THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT THE PEOPLE GO WAY TOO FAST. AND AS FAR AS THE NIGHT WALKING AT NIGHT,
IF YOU HAD SPEED BUMPS TO SLOW DOWN THE DRIVERS, IT WOULD MAKE WALKING AT NIGHT BETTER TOO. AND I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY
LIGHTS ON THE TRAIL. 
          SO IF YOU CAN'T WALK IN THE ROAD AT NIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO WALK ON THE TRAIL THROUGH THE
WOODS IN THE DARK. 
          THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. AND AS FAR AS THERE BEING NO NEW INFORMATION,
THERE IS NEW INFORMATION. 
          ALL OF THE FEDERAL GRANTS HAVE BEEN FROZEN, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT
WHAT GRANTS ARE GOING TO BE OPEN AND WHAT GRANTS ARE NOT. 
          NOBODY EVEN SEEMS TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO GET WHAT GRANT. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THIS COMES FROM FLORIDA DEP,
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          IT STATES THAT IT'S FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE THE $400,000 GRANT. 
          [01:20:05]
AND SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT. 
          AND WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THE TRAIL IS BUILT. AND IF THE TRAIL IS BUILT AND THEY SAY,
NO, THAT'S ANOTHER $400,000 THAT COMES OUT OF THE COUNTY MONEY. 
          AND THE OTHER NEW INFORMATION IS WHEN THIS TRAIL FIRST STARTED AND FIRST CAME UP FOR
APPROVAL, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR LIKE $400,000 TO MATCH THE GRANT FROM THE STATE IMPACT FEES. 
          NOW WE'RE UP TO $1.7 MILLION OF STATE OR OF COUNTY IMPACT FEES TO BUILD THIS TRAIL. 
          AND IF WE DON'T GET THE 400,000, THAT MAKES IT OVER $2 MILLION FROM WHERE IT STARTED. 
          SO THOSE ARE BOTH NEW, NEW PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT I THINK NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS I'M SUSAN MILLER,
3502 SHORE DRIVE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. 
          AND I AM AGAINST THIS TRAIL FOR A LOT OF REASONS. 
          I WON'T REHASH ALL OF THEM NOW. I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY AWARE,
BUT IN MY MIND THIS TRAIL IS REALLY JUST A RACE TO WASTE. 
          THERE IS NO PROVISIONS FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST DOWN THE ROAD,
FOR REPAIR, FOR SECURITY, FOR LIGHTS. WHEN THIS THING HEAVES UP BECAUSE THE ROOTS ARE PUSHING UP THE PAVEMENT FOR
RESTORATION TO THE RIVER AS THE ASPHALT ENDS UP IN THE RIVER AT SOME POINT. FOR THE HEAD INJURIES THAT ARE GOING TO
HAPPEN. 
          WE HAD A MEETING A YEAR AGO. IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR THAT WE HAD A MEETING AT THE SOUTH
LIBRARY THAT WAS PACKED WITH STANDING ROOM, ONLY WITH PEOPLE AGAINST THIS TRAIL, AND WE HAD A PHYSICAL THERAPIST FROM CALIFORNIA WHO
DISCUSSED ALL THE HEAD INJURIES FROM THE TRAILS OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE WITH E-BIKES FLYING ALONG CAN HEAR THEM KNOCKING PEOPLE OVER AND
CRACKING THEIR HEADS. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO BE THE SECURITY WEAR IS GOING TO BE THE LIGHTING. 
          WHERE'S THE COST COMING FOR ALL THAT? IT'S LIKE A PANDORA'S BOX. 
          IT'S LIKE AS FAR AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIDEWALK,
I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO A NARROW WALKING PATH THAT WILL NOT ENCOURAGE THE GOLF CARTS AND THE E-BIKES AND THE DIRT BIKES AND THE ATVS USING IT AS THEIR PRIVATE
SPEEDWAY. 
          WE OBTAINED OVER 500 SIGNATURES IN NO TIME AGAINST THIS TRAIL FROM THE COMMUNITY,
AND IT HAS RIPPED THE COMMUNITY APART. 
          IT'S TIME TO END IT. IT'S TIME TO STOP THE WASTE. 
          THERE IS NO END TO THE COST OF THIS TRAIL IS GOING TO BE,
AND I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT BETTER WITH OVER $2 MILLION OF COUNTY MONEY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LIKE BUMPER CARS ON US. ONE PUT SOME MONEY INTO A TRAIL OVER THERE. 
          THOSE. THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED. WHERE'S THE TRAFFIC STUDY SPEED BUMPS,
TWO STOP SIGNS AND CALL IT DONE. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SPEAK NOW. COME NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. 
          THANK THE OLD ADAGE TAKE YOUR TIME, BUT HURRY UP APPLIES HERE. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS JUSTIN MILLER. 
          I ALSO AT 515 GERONA, SAINT AUGUSTINE. I ALSO REPRESENT SHORE. 
          FRIENDS OF SHORE DRIVE PARK. AND I AM OPPOSED TO THE GRANT EXTENSION,
WHICH ALSO IS NOT JUST AN EXTENSION, BUT IT IS BASICALLY BUILDING THE TRAIL. I'VE BEEN TOLD BY RYAN KANE THAT ONCE THE SURVEY
IS DONE, THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY START AT THE NEXT DAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO IN THE MIDDLE YOU GOT TO GO TO THE MIDDLE PODIUM. 
          OH, OKAY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO LAST YEAR,
WE HAD A MEETING AT THE LIBRARY ON FEBRUARY 14TH. IT WAS PRETTY MUCH STANDING ROOM ONLY WITH THE VAST
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE OPPOSED TO IT. 
          SO THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC. ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN SAID,
AND I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT IS THE IMPACT FEES. 
          I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN IMPACT FEES TO BUILD THE
INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY. 
          IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE PRIMARILY TO BUILD NEW INFRASTRUCTURE
WITHIN DEVELOPMENTS OR AREAS THAT PEOPLE WILL WIDELY USE TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE PRETTY SECLUDED FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTY,
AND WE ALSO THEY HAVE NO PLAN OR THE MONEY TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL PARKING. NOW THEY SAY IT'S FOR PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIR ACCESS AND
EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
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WE HAVE FOUR ACCESS POINTS OVER. I THINK IT THINK IT IS 2.82.4 MILES. 
          ONLY THREE OF THOSE HAVE PARKING. TWO OF THOSE WITH PARKING ARE USUALLY ALL FILLED UP
THEIR BOAT RAMPS, AND SOME OF THOSE DON'T HAVE PAVEMENT. YOU KNOW,
IT'S IT'S UNSTABLE. 
          ONE OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS IS LITERALLY OFF THE ROAD,
AND THEN A PIECE OF CONCRETE, LIKE A SIDEWALK THAT GOES ABOUT EIGHT FEET EITHER WAY. 
          SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. ANOTHER THING IS,
YES, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE SUBMERGED. 
          ASPHALT IS NOT A GOOD OPTION. WE HAVE A FEW AREAS THAT ARE ACTUALLY MARSHLAND DURING A
GOOD PART OF THE YEAR. 
          AND WE HAVE SPECIES THAT ARE ONLY FOUND SPECIES OF PLANTS THAT ARE ONLY FOUND IN MARSHLAND
IN THOSE AREAS. 
          THAT'S A BIG ISSUE RIGHT THERE. ONE THING, WE'VE HAD TWO SURVEYS THAT THEY'VE WIDELY
TALKED ABOUT IN SUPPORT OF THE TRAIL. 
          ONE OF THEM DID GET QUITE A FEW PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO IT,
SAYING YES, THEY WANTED A TRAIL WITHOUT STATING WHAT KIND. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY, INCLUDING SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE FOR THE EXTENSION,
ASKED FOR A SIDEWALK, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVEN'T STATED THAT,
BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED. 
          THAT IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANTED. THE OTHER SURVEY WAS DONE AT A SMALL
ASSOCIATION WITH A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          DOES NOT REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. 500 SIGNATURES DO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEP. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? MICHAEL JONES 223 ARGONAUT ROAD, SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH. 
          I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SOUTH. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR A FOR A LONG
TIME. 
          THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR THIS PATH IS IN THE POSITIVE. 
          WHEN YOU TALK TO THE COMMUNITY, THERE IS A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE APPROACHED
OPPOSITION TO THIS PATH. 
          BUT THE SAFETY OF THAT ROAD IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT,
AND THAT'S WHY THE FORMER COMMISSIONERS WENT FORWARD WITH THIS RECENTLY. 
          IN THE LAST GROUP, IT WAS STRICTLY ON SAFETY. 
          AS IT GOT WARMER, THAT ROAD IN THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF,
TWO WEEKS HAS GOTTEN SUBSTANTIALLY MORE CONGESTED. 
          PEOPLE WALKING WITH THEIR KIDS, THEIR STROLLERS,
HANDICAPPED PEOPLE, PEOPLE MIXING WITH CARS, GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS. IT'S A TWO WAY STREET,
SO YOU GET TWO CARS ON THAT ROAD AND YOU GET PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO STOP TO WAIT FOR THE PEOPLE TO GIVE YOU A PLACE TO GO WITH YOUR CAR. 
          THAT'S WITH ONE LANE. SO IT'S REALLY TO ME ABOUT SAFETY. 
          WE NEED A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE STREET. PEOPLE COME AROUND THE CURVES ON THE
DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ROAD AND A LOT OF CURVES. AND WHEN YOU COME AROUND,
SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE AROUND THE CURVE. 
          AND YOU COME INTO THE STREET AND THERE'S SOMEBODY WALKING ON THE STREET RUNNING,
WHATEVER. 
          SO IT'S MORE ABOUT SAFETY. AND I HAD SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO SAY,
AND I FORGOT, BUT I SUPPORT GOING FORWARD WITH IT. 
          MY WIFE, SHE JUST WROTE MOST OF YOU WITHIN THE LAST WEEK AND SUPPORTIVE AS WELL. 
          SHE COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY FOR BUSINESS, BUT WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE TRAIL. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE,
WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. TYLER, WOULD YOU PULL UP THE VIDEO,
PLEASE? I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR FOR THIS BOARD. THOSE WHO ARE NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD
TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY. THIS STARTED THE INITIATIVE FOR THIS BOARD STARTED OR FOR THIS TRAIL, I SHOULD SAY, STARTED BEFORE I WAS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER,
AND DURING ONE OF MY FIRST MEETINGS AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER, I WAS SITTING TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S LEFT. 
          IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIM WHEN HE MADE THESE REMARKS,
I THOUGHT IT'D BE FAIR TO SHARE THEM WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          TYLER, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE PLAY IT. THE ONLY THING ELSE I WANTED TO SAY IS I WAS READING
THE TRAIL MARKER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT STUFF TO SEE WHAT THEY ANSWER. AN OBJECTIVE B .1.5 IS BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITY FACILITIES. 
          THIS FROM OUR COMP PLAN SAYS THE COUNTY SHALL,
THROUGH COORDINATION WITH FDOT AND MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS AS NECESSARY, ENCOURAGE, PROVIDE OR REQUIRE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN WAYS FOR THE SAFE INTEGRATION OF
BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT ON SELECTED SEGMENTS OF THE ROADWAY NETWORK WITHIN PUBLIC FACILITIES, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL AREAS, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, AND WITHIN OTHER AREAS THAT ALLOW ACCESS. YOU KNOW,
IT'S KIND OF TORN. 
          [01:30:03]
I HATE TO SEE THIS MANY PEOPLE, DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS,
BUT, YOU KNOW ONE THING ABOUT IT, I'VE BEEN IN A WHEELCHAIR FOR ABOUT FIVE MONTHS NOW,
AND IT HAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT A LOT OF THINGS. 
          THERE'S PLACES I CAN'T GO, I HAVE FRIENDS, I CAN'T GO SEE THEM AT THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE I
CAN'T GET INTO THEIR HOUSE. 
          I CAN'T BE OFF THE DIRT. IT DOES TAKE A LOT TO PACK UP AND GO SOMEWHERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S I CAN SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE FOR FAMILIES IN THE AREA. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD A LADY CALL ME TO SHE WENT TO THE PARK AND THE SHAWS. 
          THAT'S ALL THE UPHILL DOWNHILL. SO PUSHING A WHEELCHAIR FOR A FAMILY MEMBER WAS REALLY
HARD ON ME. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A MOTORIZED ONE,
BUT I COULD TELL YOU IT WOULD BE A BURDEN NOT TO HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. 
          AND YOU GET THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THAT A LOT. 
          PEOPLE INVITE ME. THERE'S GROUNDBREAKINGS THAT I WOULD GO TO NORMALLY. 
          I CAN'T GO TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST I THINK WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE COULD PROBABLY ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WHILE WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT,
BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS TURN THE GRANT DOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK IT'S A CHANCE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO TO GET A BIKE PATH THAT
ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD NOW, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          TYLER. I ONLY PLAY THAT JUST SO YOU GUYS CAN HEAR FROM FROM COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S
PERSPECTIVE WITH HIS NEW THE NEW SITUATION THAT HE FOUND HIMSELF IN AT THE END OF HIS LIFE. 
          I MEAN, IT REALLY OPENED HIS EYES TO THE NEEDS OF MAYBE FOLKS WHO ARE NOT ABLE BODIED. 
          AND THEN WE HAD A LETTER SUBMITTED. THE LAST TIME WE LITIGATED THIS,
WE HAD A LETTER SUBMITTED FROM JENNIFER COLLINS, WHO IS ONE OF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS,
AND SHE IS ALSO CONFINED TO A CHAIR. 
          AND SHE WAS WROTE A STRONG LETTER IN SUPPORT OF OF THE TRAIL. 
          WE ALSO THEN HEARD FROM ONE OF OUR FORMER FIRE CHIEFS,
JEFF PREVATT, WHO SAID THAT THIS WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, THAT THIS WAS UNSAFE TO ALLOW MOTHERS PUSHING STROLLERS,
TO ALLOW THOSE WHO ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS FOR ANYBODY TO WALK ON THIS STREET WAS UNSAFE, ACCORDING TO OUR FORMER FIRE CHIEF, JEFF PREVATT. 
          WE THEN HAD A LETTER FROM A LONG TIME EMPLOYEE OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
WHO, IN HIS PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT OF THIS ROAD,
DETERMINED THIS WAS AN UNSAFE CONDITION FOR PEOPLE TO BE WALKING ON THE ROAD IN EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THE IMPACTS TO THE ENVIRONMENT ARE NEGLIGIBLE. 
          WE'VE SEEN THAT THROUGH THE STAFF REPORTS, BUT I FEEL LIKE COMMISSIONER WALDRON DOES. 
          I HATE THAT FOLKS ARE ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS,
BUT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO APPROVE THIS TRAIL BECAUSE IT IS NOT SAFE IN THE CURRENT CONDITION THAT IT IS. THERE MIGHT BE BETTER. THERE MIGHT BE A PERFECT SITUATION WITH THE
WITH THE SIDEWALK, WE COULD DO A ROAD WIDENING PROJECT. ALL OF THOSE ARE COST PROHIBITIVE RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK THE BEST PATH FORWARD FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE SHORES IN SOUTH SAINT AUGUSTINE IS TO
JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN FUNDED, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE THIS AS A BOARD AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE FOR THE SAFETY OF THOSE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE DOWN
THERE. THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT. 
          COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. ARNOLD. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR. I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF. 
          I'VE BEEN A STRONG PROPONENT FOR THIS TRAIL,
AND I REMAIN SO. 
          MY REASONS WERE SAFETY AND ADA COMPLIANCE, AND I JUST PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE IN
OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES TO ENJOY AND APPRECIATE THIS VERY PUBLIC SPACE. 
          AND SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS I'VE AND I REMAIN SO. 
          THANK YOU. DO YOU MIND IF I ASK A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER MURPHY. 
          HEY, RYAN. ARE THE IMPACT FEES GONE IF WE DON'T USE THEM? THEY'RE NOT GONE AND THEY WILL GO BACK INTO THAT IMPACT FEE ZONE IF THEY'RE NOT USED,
WHICH IS ZONE C, WHICH IS THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT. SO THE WALDRON PIECE,
THE GENOVAR PROPERTY THAT I MEAN, I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON WAS MAJORLY BEHIND. 
          CAN THAT EXTRA MONEY GO TO THAT PROPERTY IF DETERMINED BY THE BOARD? THAT IS IN THE SAME IMPACT FEE ZONE AS THESE DOLLARS ARE? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND MY ONLY COMMENT IS REGARDING THE GRANT,
I DON'T I DON'T THINK THE GRANT, WHEN YOU HAVE A GRANT, YOU GOT TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THE GRANT SAYS. I THINK HAVING MORE
FREEDOM AND NOT USING THE GRANT IS, IS WHERE I'M AT. AND I THINK ADDING SPEED BUMPS,
MAYBE SIGNAGE SAYING LOOK OUT FOR WALKERS OR THE LIGHTED SPEED SIGNS, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN,
BUT THE GRASS THERE IS EASY TO WALK ON. 
          MY HUSBAND TOOK HIS HIS ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR ON THAT ALSO,
AND HE WOULD NOT WANT TO GO TWO MILES ON A WHEELCHAIR ON THE PATH, BUT HE DID ENJOY GOING INTO THE GRASS THERE. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BOARD? YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONER MURPHY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES. 
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IT'S THE IT'S IT'S A SMALL ITEM, BUT IT'S BEEN SUCH A BIG CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S IT'S
POLARIZED A COMMUNITY. 
          AND I'VE SEEN VERY FEW INSTANCES WHERE A COMMUNITY WAS POLARIZED MORE THAN THIS. 
          MY INITIAL THOUGHTS A YEAR AGO WHEN I FIRST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WAS THAT YOU KNOW,
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR 70 YEARS. 
          WHY IN THE WORLD ARE WE TRYING TO PUT A EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT TRAIL THROUGH THAT BEAUTIFUL
SPACE? BUT I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I HAVE IS IT KEEPS COMING BACK
TO THE SAFETY ISSUE. 
          I RIDE THAT ROAD A LOT, AND I AND I WENT BACK THE OTHER DAY,
ABOUT 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, 435 JUST TO RIDE THAT AND SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC WAS LIKE AND LITERALLY WITNESSED ON ONE
RIDE, TWO INSTANCES WHERE CARS HAD TO SWERVE OUT OF THE WAY TO KEEP FROM RUNNING OVER PEOPLE. 
          THIS IS IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THE IF I'M FULLY CONVINCED
THAT THIS TRAIL IS AS, AS PLANNED IS THE BEST OPTION. I THINK WE KEEP RUNNING UP AGAINST THE FACT
THAT WE NEED SIDEWALKS THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE COMPROMISE THAT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT AND SAY,
IN, IN THE SOUTH, EVERYBODY SAYS THE SAME THING TO ME. 
          IF WE CAN'T KILL IT, LET'S GET A SIDEWALK. OR IF WE CAN'T GO FORWARD WITH IT,
LET'S GET A SIDEWALK. 
          EVERYBODY SAYS THE SAME THING. I GUESS I GUESS I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION TO YOU,
TO RYAN AND GREG. 
          DO WE HAVE A SIDEWALKS PROGRAM THAT WOULD HELP US WITH THIS GOING FORWARD IF WE IF WE
NEEDED IT? AND YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE REALLY IS WE NEED SOMETHING. 
          WE DEFINITELY NEED SOMETHING. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. WE HAVE TO GET IT DONE. THE QUESTION
IS, IS THIS THE WAY? IS THIS THE PATH FORWARD? I KNOW IT'S THE THE LEAST EXPENSIVE PATH FORWARD, BUT IS IT THE BEST PATH FORWARD? AND I'M NOT CONVINCED IT IS YET. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE DO HAVE A SIDEWALKS PROGRAM. 
          IT'S A COUNTY WIDE SIDEWALK PROGRAM. WE HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE EACH YEAR. 
          IT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION ANNUALLY, THAT IS, FOR MAINTAINING EXISTING SIDEWALKS AS WELL AS
FILLING IN GAPS. 
          A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE WOULD BE INHERENTLY INCLUDED IN THE CIP,
A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, BECAUSE IT WILL TRIP MULTIPLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS REQUIRED TO DESIGN,
PERMIT, AND CONSTRUCT THIS PROJECT. 
          SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A STANDALONE PROJECT IN LIEU OF JUST THE COUNTY WIDE SIDEWALK
PROGRAM. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING 5 OR $6 MILLION. RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT SIDEWALKS,
RANGE DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE PLACED, DEPENDING ON CULVERTS, CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE ROADWAY BETWEEN 150 TO $275 PER FOOT. 
          THEY VARY QUITE DRASTICALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A DIFFERENT,
DIVERSE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION OF SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY. 
          SO IT COULD RANGE QUITE HIGH. SO IS THAT A LINEAR FOOT NUMBER? 150 TO 175 PER LINEAR FOOT? 150 TO 275. YES,
SIR. 
          LINEAR FOOT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 16,000 LINEAR FEET. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING AT $4.5 MILLION. 
          OKAY. I WOULD VOTE I GUESS, WHEN I SAY I WOULD PROBABLY SUPPORT PORT,
THE EXTENSION OF THE GRANT. BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT THE TRAIL AS PLANNED IS GOING TO
BE THE BEST THING GOING FORWARD. 
          I HATE TO CONTINUE TO THROW A MONKEY WRENCH IN THIS,
BUT WE HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN COME TOGETHER WITH, AND I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS IT,
BUT I'M JUST ONE VOTE. 
          SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. 
          YES, I, I AGREE THERE. AS FAR AS BEING SO DECISIVE IN A COMMUNITY AND THAT'S REALLY
HEARTBREAKING BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE NOT GOING TO BE PLEASED WITH THE DECISION. 
          I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY ISSUE COMPLETELY. 
          I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY, I THINK ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT,
I MEAN, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PARKING PLANNED. 
          AND THE THE TWO OF THE THREE LOTS ARE ALREADY VERY FULL. 
          SO AS FAR AS PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS AND THAT,
I MEAN, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK? SO THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE. AND MAYBE IF THERE IS A SPEED ISSUE,
MAYBE SPEED BUMPS WOULD BE AN OPTION. 
          I KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP SO I COULD CERTAINLY GET BEHIND THAT,
BUT I'M NOT. 
          I THINK I, I AGREE THAT THE EIGHT FOOT IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DESTROY A LOT MORE THAN
EIGHT. 
          EIGHT FEET WIDE. AND THAT'S A BIG, BIG CONCERN OF MINE. 
          SO I, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE BEST 
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OPTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST ONE MORE. COMMISSIONER MURPHY. 
          ALL RIGHT, HELP ME OUT, FELLAS. IF WE IF THIS PASSES TO WHERE WE WOULD EXTEND THE THE
REQUEST FOR THE GRANT. 
          THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT OR GO FORWARD WITH THE PLANS. IS THAT RIGHT?
CAN WE PIVOT, OR ARE WE. ARE WE CASTING THE DIE? I WOULD THINK WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD,
BECAUSE OUR LAST DIRECTION WAS TO BUILD THE TRAIL UTILIZING THE GRANT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WE, YOU KNOW, IF THE GRANT IS APPROVED,
WE WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THE TRAIL. 
          OKAY. SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE EITHER BOARD CONSENSUS OR A VOTE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE A HARD LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES BEFORE WE SPEND THE MONEY. 
          AS YOUR PARK AND REC DIRECTOR, THAT'S MY OPINION OF HOW YOU VOTED IN THE THE IN THE
APPROVAL WITH THE, WITH THE CONTRACT AND THE GRANT. I GUESS JUST MAKING SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT PAGE WITH
EVERYBODY ELSE'S UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I CAN PUT THE BRAKES ON THIS IF I NEED TO. 
          OR TRY TO PUT THE BRAKES. I WOULD THINK WE WOULD NEED MORE DIRECTION ON,
ON ON THAT BECAUSE THE CURRENT LIKE I SAID, THE CURRENT BOARD DIRECTION IS TO BUILD THE TRAIL WITH THE GRANT. 
          YEAH. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          JUST FOR THE BOARD'S INFORMATION, THE NFC HELPED FUND A RESILIENCY STUDY COUNTY WIDE FOR
SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY. 
          AND SO WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHY THAT'S RELEVANT HERE IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A
LOW LYING AREA. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THE CURRENT TRAIL. 
          IT WOULD BE MADE AN ASPHALT TRAIL IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY NOT THE IDEAL SITUATION. 
          NOBODY THINKS THAT THAT'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. BUT BECAUSE WE'VE COMPLETED THIS
RESILIENCY STUDY, IT WILL OPEN US UP TO FEDERAL AND STATE RESILIENCY FUNDS,
WHICH COULD IN TURN FUND AN IMPROVEMENT OF A TRAIL LIKE THIS WHERE YOU GET PERMEABLE SURFACE MOVING FORWARD. SO JUST BECAUSE WE INITIALLY BILLED IT AS AN ASPHALT TRAIL DOES
NOT MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A PERMANENT ASPHALT TRAIL MOVING FORWARD. 
          THAT'S NOT THE WAY THOSE THINGS WORK. SO IF YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'RE IN A LOW LYING
AREA THAT FLOODS, WHICH WE KNOW THIS AREA DOES WITH OR WITHOUT THE TRAIL,
AND YOU HAVE AN IMPERMEABLE SURFACE LIKE THE ASPHALT WHICH WOULD BE LAID HERE. 
          IF WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU CAN THEN GO FORWARD AND ASK FOR RESILIENCY FUNDS TO MAKE THAT A
PERMEABLE SURFACE MOVING FORWARD. 
          FUTURE BOARDS COULD DO THAT. SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A PERMANENT SITUATION THAT WOULD
EXIST ON SHORE DRIVE JUST FOR YOUR PEACE OF MIND. 
          RYAN, DO I HAVE A QUESTION? IF WE APPROVE THE GRANT,
WE BUILD EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE PLANNED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE GRANT IS FOR. CORRECT? CORRECT. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF IT'S OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 44,
AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OR DESIGNEE, TO EXTEND THE RECREATIONAL TRAILS GRANT AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT
OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION THROUGH MARCH 7TH, 2026 FOR THE SHORE DRIVE TRAIL PROJECT. SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY MORE COMMENTS? LET'S VOTE. THAT FAILS. 2 TO 3. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON TO NUMBER AGENDA ITEM TWO. 
          [2. Public Hearing * COMPAMD 2025-01 Non Residential Concurrency. At the December 17, 2024 meeting, the Board directed staff to bring back an agenda item to consider the removal of the non-residential transportation concurrency exemption. Staff are returning with an ordinance and supplemental information for discussion and direction. This will come back to the Board for a vote on adoption no sooner than February 18th, 2025.]
GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. DICK DESOUZA, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT. HERE
I AM PRESENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2501 FOR NONRESIDENTIAL CONCURRENCY. 
          MAYBE. THAT'S ALL. 
          IT IS. AND SO I WILL BE GOING OVER A REAL BASIC OVERVIEW OF WHAT PROPORTIONATE,
FAIR SHARE IS VERSUS IMPACT FEES. A LITTLE BIT OF RECENT PERMITTING HISTORY,
AND THEN I'LL PRESENT TO YOU THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FOR STAFF AS WE LOOK AT CODE CHANGES TO
IMPLEMENT THIS SHOULD IT MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND SO JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW FOR PROP SHARE AND IMPACT FEES. 
          AND SO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY MAINTAINS A CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AS PART OF THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          AND SO THIS ESTABLISHES OUR LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT EXIST WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR
ALL OF OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES. 
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HOWEVER, IN 2018, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REMOVED THE CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS
FOR TRANSPORTATION SPECIFICALLY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. NOW, PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IS DETERMINED THROUGH THIS CONCURRENCY PROCESS. 
          IT IS A SPECIFIC CALCULATION OF A DEVELOPMENT'S IMPACTS ON THAT CONCURRENCY SYSTEM,
PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IMPACT FEES ARE ASSESSED AT PERMITTING FOR EVERY BUILDING THAT IS CONSTRUCTED,
AND IT IS BASED ON THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION FOR NEW FACILITIES. 
          AS WE SAW LAST WEEK IN OUR PRESENTATION FROM VANESSA. 
          SO PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IS GOVERNED BY FLORIDA STATUTE. 
          HOWEVER, PROP SHARE SHALL BE APPLIED AS A CREDIT AGAINST IMPACT FEES. 
          WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT SHOULD A DEVELOPMENT TRIGGER A PROPORTIONATE,
FAIR SHARE, WHATEVER THEIR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE MONETARY CONTRIBUTION IS, WHETHER THAT IS THROUGH A DIRECT PAYMENT TO THE COUNTY OR THROUGH MITIGATION THROUGH
CONSTRUCTION. 
          THOSE DOLLARS THAT ARE EXPENDED ARE THEN TRANSFERRED,
ARE THEN BECOME IMPACT FEE CREDITS, WHICH THEY USE AGAINST THE IMPACT FEES ASSESSED FOR THE PROJECT WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND AS STATE STATUTE NOW ALLOWS, TO BE TRANSFERRED OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT INTO AN
ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THESE PAYMENTS FOR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE,
TYPICALLY BASED ON THE PM PEAK HOUR AS DEFINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THAT IS BECAUSE OUR TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY SYSTEM IS BASED UPON THIS PEAK HOUR
TRAFFIC. 
          THAT'S GENERALLY WHEN YOU'RE SEEING THE LARGEST VOLUME OF TRIPS ON THOSE FACILITIES. 
          SO WHILE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IS VARIABLE BASED OFF OF THE PROJECT,
THE SIZE, THE LOCATION, IMPACT FEES ARE SET. IMPACT FEES DO NOT CHANGE. 
          THAT'S JUST A SET DOLLAR THAT IS ADOPTED BY THE BOARD. 
          AND SO THERE'S NO INDIVIDUAL PROJECT SPECIFIC TRAFFIC CONSIDERATIONS FOR WHAT YOUR IMPACT
FEE CHARGE WOULD BE. 
          SO IF WE LOOK AT SOME RECENT PERMITTING HISTORY. 
          SO SINCE THIS EXEMPTION WAS ENACTED THROUGH SENSUALLY LAST WEEK,
WE'VE SEEN A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 700 NONRESIDENTIAL PROJECTS SUBMITTED THROUGH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. STAFF WENT THROUGH AND KIND OF DID A REAL QUICK ASSESSMENT OF THOSE. 
          213 OF THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCY. 
          THAT REMAINDER WAS PROJECTS THAT WERE WITHIN DRIS. 
          DRIS HAVE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ORDERS, AND MOST OF OUR LARGER DRIS HAD TRAFFIC AND. 
          HAD TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BASED ON BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THINK WORLD COMMERCE CENTER WITH THEIR MITIGATION AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT ORDER. THAT
CONSIDERED ALL ENTITLEMENTS WITHIN THAT DRI. 
          SAME FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER DRIS. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WE REMOVED WERE MINOR
IMPROVEMENTS TO AN EXISTING FACILITY. 
          THINK AN EXPANDED PARKING LOT OR A REPAVING OF A PARKING LOT SO NO NEW TRIPS ARE
GENERATED. 
          SIMILARLY, WITH AN ACCESSORY USE TO A ACCESSORY TO A MAIN USE THINK AMENITY CENTERS IN A. 
          SUBDIVISION OR A LARGE LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE WERE UTILITY OR COUNTY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
SPECIFIC. 
          AND SO OF THOSE 700 213 OF THOSE POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE HAD A PROPORTIONATE,
FAIR SHARE, BUT THEY ALL WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME SORT OF CONCURRENCY REVIEW. AND I SAY POTENTIALLY HAVE A PROPORTIONATE,
FAIR SHARE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THE OLD STANDARD OF PROP SHARE IT REALLY IS DEPENDENT ON HOW MANY
TRIPS ARE GENERATED. 
          AND SO A BOAT AND RV STORAGE, WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE COME THROUGH FOR PERMITTING. 
          THOSE ARE GENERALLY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATORS. MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THEIR BOAT AT
05:00 PM ON A TUESDAY AFTERNOON. 
          IT'S NORMALLY ON THE WEEKENDS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THAT HEAVIER TRAFFIC. AND SO WHILE THEY
WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT 213, IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE GENERATED ANY PROPORTIONATE,
FAIR SHARE. 
          AND SO THE ORDINANCE, AS WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD,
AND THIS IS THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, BUT I'M GOING TO GO PARTICULARLY TO THE REDLINE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENT H153C. AND SO WE ARE DELETING THE WORD RESIDENTIAL FROM THE
CATEGORY CRITERIA. 
          AND THEN NUMBER FOUR IN THERE WAS THE SPECIFIC ADDITION IN 2018 THAT EXEMPTED
NONRESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO WE WERE JUST DELETING THAT. AND SO THAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE. 
          VERY BASIC. JUST REMOVING THAT EXEMPTION. BUT WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR IS SHOULD THE
BOARD CHOOSE TO TRANSMIT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FOR THE CODE. SO THE PRIOR CODE HAD A RATHER CONSERVATIVE
APPROACH WITH A MAJOR CONCURRENCY REVIEW TRIGGERED AT 50 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. 
          AND SO, IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF THE STATE AND THEIR CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS,
AS WE DID JURISDICTIONAL RESEARCH, THAT WAS KIND OF AN OUTLIER. MOST OF THEM WERE STARTING AT A MINIMUM OF 100 TRIPS. 
          WE SAW THINGS RANGE UP FROM THERE. AND THEN AS PART OF THE IMPACT FEE STUDY WITH OUR WITH
BANESH, THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST FOR LOOKING AT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FOR CONCURRENCY. 
          THEY HAD THROWN OUT LOOKING AT A THRESHOLD OF 500 PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR THESE COMMERCIAL
PROJECTS. 
          [01:50:08]
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE GENERATING THOSE THOSE LARGER NUMBER OF
TRIPS. 
          BUT AGAIN, STAFF WOULD BE SEEKING DIRECTION ON ANY CODE CHANGES. 
          SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD? I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER MURPHY. HEY,
THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN TRYING TO
ENCOURAGE SMALL BUSINESSES TO COME HERE IS TO TRY TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR MOM AND POP, TO COME IN AND AND TO START A BUSINESS WITH THIS TRIP
THRESHOLD OF 500. 
          WOULD THAT PROTECT SMALLER BUSINESSES FROM. YES. 
          SO WE DID A REALLY QUICK JUST KIND OF OVERVIEW OF THINGS THAT MAY GENERATE 500 PEAK HOUR
TRIPS. 
          SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT, SOMETHING THAT WOULD DO THAT WOULD BE A COSTCO IS GOING TO GENERATE
THAT LARGE NUMBER OF TRIPS, BUT MAYBE LIKE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO APPROACH THAT THRESHOLD. 
          AND SO REALLY IT'S IT'S AN ECONOMY OF SCALE. YOU HAVE TO BE LARGE TO BE ABLE TO TO PUT IN
THOSE 500 TRIPS. 
          SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE HIGHER THAT NUMBER GOES FOR THAT THRESHOLD
WHERE WE WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, THE MORE OF THOSE SMALLER TYPE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IT WOULD BE ELIMINATING FROM THAT
REVIEW PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? MR. D'SOUZA, DID ANYBODY FROM FIRST COAST NEWS REACH OUT TO YOU ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I TRIPPED ACROSS THE STORY WRITTEN BY JESSICA CLARK. AND IT
BASICALLY ASSERTS THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT PAYING ANY IMPACT FEE FOR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. IS THAT TRUE,
OR IS THAT NOT TRUE? THAT IS AN INCORRECT ASSESSMENT. EVERYBODY PAYS IMPACT FEES. 
          THE BOARD IN 2018 DID OPT TO BUY DOWN THE FULL RATE OF IMPACT FEES. 
          THAT WAS THE BOARD DIRECTION IN 2018. BUT THEY ARE STILL BEING ASSESSED IMPACT FEES AND
THEY ARE STILL PAYING IMPACT FEES. 
          YEAH I WISH. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I WISH OUR LOCAL MEDIA WOULD REACH OUT TO YOU AND SOME OF
OUR STAFF. 
          THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, BEFORE THEY PUBLISH A STORY THAT CAN REALLY CREATE A LOT OF
CONFUSION. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT. 
          NOBODY WANTED ANYBODY FROM FIRST COAST NEWS REACH OUT TO US TO GET A QUOTE FROM OUR STAFF
ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM. 
          MR. NOT THAT I WOULD. OKAY, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY UNFORTUNATE REPORTING,
BUT I KNOW THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN. 
          LOCAL MEDIA DOESN'T ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT. HECK,
WE DON'T ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO TO CONFIRM THAT WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. D'SOUZA. JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST,
I THINK I SAW YOUR QUOTE IN THERE. 
          RIGHT. WERE YOU INTERVIEWED? I WAS NOT INTERVIEWED. 
          SHE PULLED A QUOTE FROM A COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I SAW BECAUSE I THOUGHT I
SAW THAT FOR 100. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT WHAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF 100? SO 100 TRIPS MAY BE GENERATED BY ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT DAYCARE,
25,000 SQUARE FOOT MEDICAL OFFICE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A SMALL STRIP CENTER. 
          15,000FT² OR SO. FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          NOTWITHSTANDING THE CHICK FIL A EFFECT. EXACTLY. 
          ALSO, SO I THINK THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN THE BUCKY'S AND THE WALL,
YOU KNOW, THE SUPER WALMART THAT HAS MAYBE 10,000 CARS,
WHICH NEVER GETS COUNTED TOWARDS THE ROAD, AND THEN THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENT GOING IN THERE. 
          AND THE FUTURE IN THAT AREA IS JUST GOING TO BE CRAZY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS,
RIGHT. 
          SO WITH THE BUCKY'S THAT SPECIFICALLY WAS IN A DRY. 
          AND SO THOSE TRIPS WERE CAPTURED. SIMILARLY WITH THAT WALMART. 
          AND SO THOSE, THOSE PEAK HOUR TRIPS ARE CAPTURED WITHIN THAT DRIVE. 
          AND SO THOSE WENT THROUGH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE THINGS OUTSIDE OF DRIS. OH,
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 
          COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. YES. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
BECAUSE I KNOW I HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, SO I APPRECIATE YOU BREAKING IT DOWN AND AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          SO I'M ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE IT. AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          SO. 
          NOW AS FAR I DO HAVE ONE OTHER THING, BUT AS FAR AS THE BUY DOWN THAT WILL BE REGARDING
THE IMPACT FEES. 
          SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS RIGHT NOW. BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT,
CORRECT? YES. THE BITE ON IS SPECIFIC TO THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU FOR A
VOTE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. ONE OTHER QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR. 
          OH GO AHEAD. OH, I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER TAYLOR'S NOT FINISHED YET. 
          [01:55:04]
NO, NO. THAT'S FINE. I'M DONE. YEAH. MR. MURPHY,
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. 
          SO BALLPARK. IF WE SPECIFICALLY STATE A THRESHOLD OF 500 TRIPS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE ADDED TO THE CONCURRENCY FEES COLLECTED OVER
THE LAST SINCE SINCE WE CHANGED IT IN 18. 
          IS THERE A BALLPARK? STAFF WAS NOT REALLY ABLE TO DO THAT KIND OF ASSESSMENT. 
          WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS THAT LARGE THAT REALLY WOULD HAVE GENERATED
ANYTHING. SO 500 TRIPS THAT WASN'T IN A DRY. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A SINGLE PROJECT THAT WOULD HAVE COME THROUGH,
THAT WOULD HAVE MET THAT THRESHOLD WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME. THANK YOU. 
          IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, THOUGH, TO SEE A LIST OF ALL THE,
YOU KNOW, ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WERE INVOLVED SINCE 2018. 
          THAT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION. NATION, AND WOULD THAT BE IN REFERENCE TO THE 700
NONRESIDENTIAL PROJECTS? YES. YEAH. AND SO WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU THAT LIST. 
          OF COURSE. SO IF WE TRANSMIT THIS TODAY, WE'LL GET MORE DETAILS ON THE SECOND READING AND
MORE INFORMATION. 
          CORRECT. YEAH. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK AT,
WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          AND AGAIN WE ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AS WELL. SHOULD THIS TRANSMIT FOR CODE CHANGES TO
IMPLEMENT. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE TRANSMIT THIS WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE EXACTLY. 
          HOW DOES THIS WORK. IF IF THIS GOES AND TRANSMITS WE WILL BE BRINGING IT BACK. 
          AND I AM SORRY I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE. I THINK IT MIGHT EVEN BE YOUR NEXT MEETING
BRINGING THIS BACK FOR ITS ADOPTION HEARING. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN TO HAVE A SPECIFIC ACTION DATE OF AUGUST OF
THIS YEAR TO AFFORD STAFF TIME TO RESEARCH, WRITE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES AND BRING THOSE BACK FOR THE MULTIPLE HEARINGS THAT
ARE REQUIRED. AUGUST SEEMS PRETTY OUT THERE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT SOONER THAN THAT. OR STAFF CAN CERTAINLY DO OUR BEST TO. 
          ACCOMMODATE A SOONER DATE. WE FELT THAT THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE TIME,
GIVEN THE. 
          NEED TO GO THROUGH THE MULTIPLE HEARINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ADEQUATE RESEARCH. 
          AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BRINGING A ROBUST LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT. 
          TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. WHAT DATE WOULD THAT BE AGAIN FOR THE FOR THE ADOPTION. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IS EITHER YOUR NEXT. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING OR POSSIBLY THE
SUBSEQUENT ONE. 
          I APOLOGIZE, I DO NOT HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, THOUGH. AND THEN IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE LATER IN THE SUMMER
OR WHAT? YEAH. WE HAVE PROPOSED AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF AUGUST OF THIS YEAR TO AFFORD US TIME TO WRITE
THE CODE CHANGES AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SET. 
          SO THAT WAY IT CAN GO INTO EFFECT. AND THERE'S NO SORT OF DISAGREEMENT,
I WOULD SAY, BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO'S MID-STREAM OF AN APPLICATION AND STAPP AS WE AS WE LOOK TO ENACT ANY CODE CHANGES. 
          OKAY. IS THERE A WAY WE COULD EXPEDITE IT? BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY LONG TIME. I MEAN,
I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO EXPEDITE THAT. 
          AND SO AGAIN, IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES TO MODIFY THAT,
I WOULD DEFER TO OCA. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S SO ONE THING COMMISSIONERS. 
          ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WE NEED TO ALLOW AT LEAST 30 DAYS FROM WHATEVER THE
FINAL PIECE OF THIS IS, FOR IT TO BE IN PLACE FOR APPEALS BEFORE IT GOES INTO ACTION. 
          SO FOR THIS, THE YOU WOULD NEED TO PASS EVERYTHING BEFORE JULY IN ORDER TO HIT THE AUGUST
DEADLINE. 
          SO WE'RE CONTEMPLATING ALL THE WITH THIS DEADLINE,
WE STILL CONTEMPLATE COMPLETING ALL THE WORK THAT WE HAVE AT THE POTENTIALLY THE LAST MEETING OF JUNE. SO THERE'S SOME BUILT IN CUSHION INTO THIS,
BECAUSE YOU NEED TO GIVE ENOUGH OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO APPEAL IT IN CASE THERE'S ANY, ANY OF THOSE BEFORE WE CAN PUT IT IN PLACE. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IS WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING. I'M COMING OFF OF A REALLY SEVERE FLU,
SO I'M STILL PROBABLY NOT TRACKING AS CLOSELY AS I AS I OTHERWISE WOULD. 
          IS WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED UP HERE. ARE WE CONSIDERING ENACTING THIS CONCURRENCY POLICY TO
ONLY IMPACT THOSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL PRODUCE MORE THAN 500 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS? THAT'S IT. NOTHING BELOW THAT. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE ALL. ALL OF IT. OKAY,
IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR. 
          YEAH. WELL, MY MY CONCERN IS SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          I THINK WE'VE I THINK IT'S AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER,
I THINK THE THE PRESSURE YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE GETTING SQUEEZED OUT AND JUST THE BIG BOX CHAINS AND THE BIG BIG,
LARGE FRANCHISEES WILL BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND HAVE THE MONEY TO COME IN AND PAY THESE IMPACT FEES. IF THERE'S A WAY TO PROTECT A SMALL BUSINESS THROUGH THE THROUGH THE TRIP
THRESHOLD, 
          [02:00:04]
I WOULD BE FOR THAT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE BIG BOX. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG BOX STORES ARE COMING ANYWAY. 
          THEY'RE THEY'RE COMING. ROOFTOPS DEMAND THAT THE SMALL BUSINESSES IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED
TO LOOK OUT FOR. 
          AND SO IF THE IF A TRIP THRESHOLD, WHETHER IT'S 250 OR 500 OR WHATEVER,
IF WE CAN LOWER THAT AND PROTECT SOMETHING LIKE A I'M NOT GOING TO SAY A RESTAURANT BECAUSE I HAVE ONE,
I'M GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I KNOW. 
          I TELL YOU, THE COST OF BUILDING A RESTAURANT IS ABSORBENT,
AND IT'S OUT OF REACH FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO DO IT. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE PROTECT A SMALLER BUSINESS,
WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, A VETERINARIAN CLINIC OR WHATEVER TO PROTECT THEM FROM ONEROUS FEES THAT THE GOVERNMENT LAYS ON THEM. 
          I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO DO THAT. SO. SO MY QUESTION AGAIN IS,
IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CRAFT BETWEEN NOW AND THE FINAL READING THAT WOULD PROTECT SMALLER BUSINESSES FROM HAVING TO DO IMPACT FEES AND CONCURRENCY FEES,
AND WOULD THAT TRIP LIMIT DO THAT? AND SO THIS IS ONLY FOR THAT COMPREHENSIVE CHANGE,
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGE, WHICH IS REMOVING THE EXEMPTION. 
          AND SO THE CODE CHANGE, WHICH IS WHAT STAFF WOULD THEN BE TASKED WITH DOING SHOULD THIS
MOVE FORWARD, WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHATEVER THE BOARD DIRECTION IS,
WHETHER IT'S THE 100 TRIP THRESHOLD, THE 200 OR 300, OR WHATEVER DIRECTION THE BOARD CHOOSES TO DIRECT. 
          I GUESS IN YOUR PLAN, WHEN WOULD. OKAY, SO YOU'RE DOING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AN
ORDINANCE. 
          WHEN DOES THAT ORDINANCE START BEING LOOKED AT. 
          AND SO THE ORDINANCE AND I FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULE OF WHAT WHAT THE WHAT IT IS. 
          SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AS IT SITS TODAY THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED WOULD GO INTO
EFFECT AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. 
          AFTER THIS WOULD BE ADOPTED, STAFF WOULD THEN BE BRINGING FORTH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
CHANGES, WHICH WOULD THEN NEED A TWO HEARING PROCESS TO BE EFFECTIVE. 
          AND SO THAT WAY WE HAVE TIME BETWEEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTION AND THEN THE
EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT CHANGE FOR STAFF TO CRAFT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, BRING THEM FORWARD FOR A VOTE,
AND THEN HAVE THOSE ADOPTED AS WELL. 
          AND SO THE ORDINANCE CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU WOULD BE VOTING TO TRANSMIT
TODAY. 
          AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY AFTER TRANSMITTAL WE'RE HAVING THE ADOPTION HEARING. 
          AND SO THOSE ORDINANCE WOULD RUN. AND THEN AFTER THOSE WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT RUNNING THE
ORDINANCES FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES, AGAIN, A TWO HEARING PROCESS. SO THAT COULD BE NEXT YEAR. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? SO WE HAVE BAKED IT SO THAT NO,
IT WOULD NOT BE NEXT YEAR. 
          WE'RE AIMING FOR AUGUST OF THIS YEAR TO HAVE ALL OF THIS SET AND DONE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY MORE? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? NO, NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE I WAS HOPING TO DO IT BEFORE AUGUST,
BUT IF THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST, AND THE BOARD CAN OF COURSE, AUGMENT THAT DATE,
WE WANTED TO HAVE ENOUGH. 
          ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE FOR THOSE HEARINGS. 
          RIGHT. THE CODE CHANGES BRING THEM FORWARD. AND THEN,
AS THE OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. TAYLOR HAD ALLUDED TO, ALLOW FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME FOR ANY DISPUTES FROM FROM ANYONE
THAT WISHES TO CHALLENGE THOSE CHANGES. 
          AND SO WE FELT THAT THAT AFFORDED STAFF THE ADEQUATE TIME TO BRING ALL OF THIS FORWARD. 
          OKAY. DID THAT HAPPEN IN 2018? AUGUST 2018. HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE? THERE WAS A VESTING PERIOD, AND THERE WAS A GRACE PERIOD WITHIN THERE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
WANT TO STOP AT MIDSTREAM. 
          AND SO THERE WAS THERE WAS DEFINITELY SOME LEAD TIME IN TERMS OF WHO WAS VESTED TO THIS. 
          AND OF COURSE, THAT WAS IN THE REVERSE. AND SO ANYBODY THAT WAS ALREADY AFFECTED TO IT WAS
ABLE TO COME IN AND CHANGE THEMSELVES OUT OF IT ANYWAY. 
          BUT THERE WAS A THERE WAS A TIME IN WHICH IT TOOK TO BECOME EFFECTIVE. 
          SO HOW HOW MANY MONTHS DID THAT TAKE? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY THAT I CANNOT RECALL OFF THE
TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE RANGE OF LIKE 3 TO 6 MONTHS,
POSSIBLY BETWEEN THOSE CHANGES GOING INTO EFFECT, WITH THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT VESTING OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE MIDSTREAM,
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AGAIN, WITH IT BEING IN THE REVERSE. THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE MIDSTREAM STILL HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY, OPPORTUNITY TO THEN EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM IT. 
          AND SO WE SAW A NUMBER OF THOSE OCCUR AS WELL. 
          WOULD YOU MIND LETTING ME KNOW THAT DOWN THE ROAD HOW LONG THAT TOOK IN 2018? KRISTA, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THROUGH THE CHAIR. MR. COMANDO,
WOULD THIS IF WHEN IT'S ENACTED, WOULD THIS APPLY TO RETROACTIVELY TO DEALS THAT WERE DONE IN THE PAST,
NEW AND OLD ENTITLEMENTS OR THIS ONLY APPLY TO DEALS MOVING FORWARD? 
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I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS IN MY BRIEFING,
BUT SO THAT THAT'S SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT THE VESTING PERIOD IS. SO YOU HEAR PEOPLE USE THE TERM, THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN. 
          THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES TO THE VESTING,
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME MOVING FORWARD THAT WOULD NOT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY THERE'S THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE WHICH WOULD
APPLY AND WHICH WOULDN'T, IN ORDER TO PUT THAT AUGUST DATE INTO PLACE. THANK YOU RICH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          BETH. BREEDING LAND PARTNERS OF FLORIDA, 1368 BIRMINGHAM ROAD SOUTH,
JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AS LONG AS I HAVE,
I'VE BEEN DOING COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE SINCE 1996, BROUGHT THE VERY FIRST PROJECTS ONTO TEN, CONTINUED ON TO MIRABELLA. 
          ONE THING SOME OF THE NEWER PEOPLE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. 
          THERE WAS A HUGE REASON, AND I HAD A VERY DIFFERENT THING I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. 
          THERE WAS A HUGE REASON THEY MADE THE CHANGES THAT THEY DID. 
          BUSINESSES WOULD WALK INTO THE COUNTY, FIND OUT HOW ONEROUS IT WAS,
AND THEY WALKED RIGHT BACK OUT AND DIDN'T BRING THOSE JOBS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BRING. IF YOU WANT GOOD,
HIGH PAYING JOBS TO COME IN, YOU CANNOT MAKE IT SO ONEROUS FOR THESE COMPANIES TO COME IN. 
          AND THE CONCURRENCY PROCESS, AND MAYBE IT WAS THE PERSON THAT WAS IN CHARGE AT THE TIME IT
WAS USED AS A CLUB TO BEAT YOU OVER THE HEAD INTO SUBMISSION. 
          SO ONE COMPANY ON THE EXACT SAME SITE MIGHT GET A $2 MILLION DEAL. 
          SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT GET A $5 MILLION DEAL. THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THE SPRAWL IN THIS
COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF CONCURRENCY. 
          IT DOESN'T WORK. SO FOR PEOPLE TO PAY LESS MONEY,
THEY JUST MOVE FURTHER OUT. 
          THE PROJECTS THAT EVERYONE IS SO UPSET ABOUT IN THIS COUNTY,
THAT'S CREATING ALL THE TRAFFIC. 
          THOSE ARE DRIS. THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN. SO THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE. 
          SO BY PASSING THIS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP ANY OF THAT. 
          THE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO FINISH BUILDING OUT IN THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER. 
          THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO SILVER LEAF. SILVER LEAF IS BUILDING OUT THERE A DRI. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THEIR TRAFFIC STUDIES. THEY'VE ALREADY WORKED ALL OF THESE THINGS
OUT. 
          AND THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY DID THAT. EVERYTHING IS ABOUT CERTAINTY. 
          SO IF YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS AND IT DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF A OF A SMALL BUSINESS. 
          YOU COME IN AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS SITE, YOU KNOW,
YOU GO THROUGH A SIX MONTH PROCESS, YOU SPEND A TON OF MONEY WITH ATTORNEYS. YOU WASTE SO MUCH OF POOR COUNTY STAFF'S TIME,
LIKE THEY'RE NOT BUSY ENOUGH ALREADY, ONLY TO DETERMINE THAT YOUR BILL IS THIS BIG. 
          YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL JUST GO TO JACKSONVILLE. THEY'RE COURTING ME. I'LL
JUST TAKE MY BUSINESS THERE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THESE BIG TRAFFIC THINGS JUST BY CREATING THIS ORDINANCE. THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GO WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE APPROVALS. 
          AND SO THE PROBLEMS THAT EVERYONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT,
THE TRAFFIC, THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE BY ENACTING THIS, ALL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS TO MAKE IT MAKE OTHER BUSINESSES NOT COME. 
          AND YOU CAN SAY, A COSTCO IS GOING TO COME, A COSTCO IS GOING TO COME,
A COSTCO IS GOING TO GO WHERE THERE'S ALREADY APPROVALS, COSTCO IS POPULAR. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO GO WHERE THEY'RE WANTED. AND SO EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY WANTS SERVICES. 
          THE ONLY WAY TO DELIVER THEM IS TO NOT MAKE THIS PROCESS SO ONEROUS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION KNEW BACK WHEN THEY CHANGED THIS. 
          AND YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BRING IN MORE MONEY? ACTUALLY,
IT'S GOING TO BRING IN LESS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO COME AND PAY IMPACT FEES. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SCOTT MAYNARD. I'M THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT FOR ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC POLICY WITH THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CHAMBER, ALSO JOINED BY BETH TAIT, WHO'S OUR PUBLIC POLICY CHAIR. 
          THE CHAMBER REPRESENTS OVER 1000 BUSINESSES,
WITH 80% OF THOSE BEING SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          IT'S THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE FEEL WOULD BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THIS PROPOSAL TO
RESCIND THE COUNTY'S EXEMPTION FOR NON RESIDENTIAL CONCURRENCY FEES. 
          SO LET ME EXPLAIN. THE CONCURRENCY FEES IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF
PEAK HOURS, AS YOU'VE HEARD. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A DOCTOR, A DENTIST,
ACCOUNTANT OR AN ATTORNEY OPENING A PRACTICE WON'T GENERATE THE FEES TO THAT STANDARD. 
          THEY MAY ONLY GENERATE TEN TRIPS. SO IF YOU WAIVE THOSE,
THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT. 
          BUT ALL OF THESE FEES ARE PAID UPFRONT BY THE BUSINESS OWNER. 
          LARGE CORPORATIONS BILLED THESE FEES IN THEIR ESTIMATES IN DEVELOPMENT,
OR THEY GO INTO A DRY AS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS. 
          [02:10:05]
HOWEVER, FOR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE TRYING TO OPEN UP OR EXPAND,
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BARRIER OR ANOTHER HURDLE FOR THEM TO HAVE TO GET OVER. 
          ANOTHER CRITICAL FACTOR THAT NO ONE HAS DISCUSSED IS THAT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS
A SEVERE UNBALANCED TAX BASE, WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS PROVIDING OVER 87% OF THOSE TAXES COLLECTED AND THE
COMMERCIAL BUSINESS COMING IN AT LESS THAN 13%. A MORE BALANCED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TAX BASE WOULD BE AROUND 7025 570. 
          RESIDENTIAL 25. COMMERCIAL FIVE. PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          THIS CURRENT TAX IMBALANCE IS SIMPLY UNSUSTAINABLE. 
          AND THE LONG RUN WILL CREATE ISSUES IF WE HAVE ANOTHER TURN OF RESIDENTIAL WHERE WE DID IN
0708, WHERE RESIDENTIAL MARKETS DECREASED, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A HEAVY BURDEN ON THE COUNTY. 
          IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE HAS GONE UP 74%
FROM 3.6 BILLION TO 6.3 BILLION. 
          BUT AS YOU HEARD TODAY FROM EDDIE KRAMER, THIS YEAR ALONE,
2.1 BILLION WENT IN THE BOOKS AS RESIDENTIAL AND ONLY 397 MILLION WENT IN AS COMMERCIAL. ENCOURAGING SMALL BUSINESS TO OPEN AND EXPAND BRINGS NEW TAX
DOLLARS TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AND HELPS THAT BALANCE. IN CLOSING, THE CHAMBER STRONGLY OPPOSES THE NONRESIDENTIAL
CONCURRENCY FEE PROPOSAL AS IT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO THE WELL-BEING OF FUTURE GROWTH IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. 
          WE BELIEVE THE EXISTING CONCURRENCY FEE EXEMPTION FOR NON RESIDENTIAL INTEREST SHOULD BE
MAINTAINED IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD. I'M SO DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THE CHAMBER IS TAKING A
POSITION THAT THEY SAY IS IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTS. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS BUILT IN. AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW SMALL BUSINESSES TO NOT BE,
YOU KNOW, IMPACTED BY THIS ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S 100 OR 500 OR HOWEVER,
YOU ALL END UP DEFINING IT. 
          BUT THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER THAT WE'RE SO OUT OF BALANCE BETWEEN OUR RESIDENTIAL
AND OUR COMMERCIAL. 
          WELL, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THIS THING WAS ENACTED IN 2018. 
          AND THEN GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? I JUST HAVE TO SAY,
MY THREE MINUTES HAVEN'T BEGUN. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO. 
          WHATEVER. I COULD BE UP HERE ALL DAY, SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT. 
          SO THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A BALANCE. IN 2018,
THEY ENACTED THIS THING, AND THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO CHANGE TO THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL. SO IT WAS IT WAS A FAILURE. 
          AND WE LOST ALL THAT POTENTIAL FUNDING THAT WE COULD HAVE RECEIVED FROM THESE BIG BOX
STORES. 
          IT'S FUNNY HOW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DEFENDING THIS,
OR RATHER THAT ARE OPPOSING THIS ARE MAKING NO MENTION OF THESE GIANT RETAILERS. 
          YES, OF COURSE WE WANT TO BRING VETERINARY VETS HERE AND RESTAURANTS AND THOSE KINDS OF
BUSINESSES AND EVEN LARGER BUSINESSES TOO. 
          BUT BUT WE KNOW WE KNOW THAT THE COSTCOS ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE HUGE RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THEY ARE GOING TO FOLLOW. ROOFTOPS ARE FOLLOWED BY RETAIL. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE INCENTIVES. 
          WE REALLY DON'T. LET'S LET LET'S LET THE MARKET,
YOU KNOW, DICTATE WHEN IT COMES TO GIANT RETAIL STORES. 
          THEY'VE BEEN GETTING BREAKS THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE GETTING HERE. I DIDN'T REALLY FOLLOW
THE EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT HOW IF WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN DEVELOPMENT. 
          NO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THINKS THIS IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN DEVELOPMENT OR STOP SPRAWL. 
          I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO STOP US FROM GIVING AWAY LOTS OF,
OR RATHER, GIVING UP LOTS OF FUNDING THAT WE COULD BE RECEIVING FROM THE LARGE RETAIL. 
          SO I DO SUPPORT THIS. I SORT OF HAD A QUESTION KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER
WHITEHURST. 
          LAST QUESTION ABOUT WHO IS COVERED BY THIS AND WHO ISN'T. 
          LIKE, I WONDER IF THERE'S A BUSINESS THAT'S PLANNING TO COME TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY BETWEEN
NOW AND AUGUST. 
          KIND OF WONDERING HOW THEY MIGHT BE IMPACTED. 
          AND IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO KIND OF SLIDE IN BEFORE AUGUST. 
          JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. BUT I DO COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHUCK LABANOWSKI, 
          [02:15:06]
1748 NORTH CAPARO. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MURPHY IN REGARDS TO PROTECTING THE
SMALL BUSINESS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR GROWTH IN THE COUNTY. BUT WHAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT. 
          HOW DID THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER DRI. FIGURE OUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THEY WERE
GOING TO IMPACT THE AREA. 
          NO. WHERE COULD THEY HAVE PREDICTED 7300 VEHICLES A DAY GOING INTO BUC-EES. 
          I DON'T CARE HOW THEY FIGURED IT OUT. BACK IN 2003,
THEY COULDN'T HAVE COME UP WITH THAT KIND OF NUMBER. 
          THEY COULD NOT COME UP WITH A 10,000 VEHICLES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE WALMART
SUPERCENTER. 
          THERE'S NO WAY BACK THEN THAT THEY COULD HAVE PREDICTED IT. 
          SO WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK HARD AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROGRAM AND MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE COVERED WITH THE AREA AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS CONCERNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES. 
          IT'S VERY GOOD TO SEE THAT THERE'S TAXES BEING OPPOSED IN THE COUNCIL HERE. 
          AND THAT THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU COMING IN AND SPEAKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WHEN THE
SCHOOL BOARD WAS LOOKING FOR INCREASED TAXES, WHICH IS PROPERTY TAXES,
WHICH ROLLS DOWN TO PEOPLE WHO OWN BUSINESSES. 
          OKAY. THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION TO THAT. SO SO IF THEIR PROPERTY TAXES GO UP,
THAT THAT INTERFERES WITH THEIR ABILITY TO STAY HERE, AND AND IT IS AND IT WILL. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE IF IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX,
THEIR TAXES GO UP. 
          THEY PAY OUT. THEY INCREASE THE RENT TO COVER THEIR PAY. 
          THEY GOT IT WITH SMALL BUSINESSES. WHAT IS THE SMALL BUSINESS? IS IT A SMALL BUSINESS? JUST A LITTLE PLACE THAT'S IN A BIG SHOPPING MALL. 
          IS THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS, OR IS IT THE SHOPPING MALL THAT MAKES UP ALL THE SMALL
BUSINESSES? AND SHOULD BUSINESSES BE TAXED? YEAH, SURE. WHY NOT? LIKE THESE BIG ONES? WHO'S REALLY WHO'S REALLY GOING TO TAKE A DIVE ON THAT? AND AS I RODE BY 95, I WAS GOING NORTH, AND I SEEN THAT BIG GRAY,
BEAUTIFUL SIGN THAT SAYS WHAT IS IT, BASS PRO SHOP? WORLD COMMERCE CENTER, MEGA STORE. 
          RIGHT OFF, IT'S LIKE, WOW, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. 
          BUT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T TAX THEM ANYMORE. SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          THAT'S HOW IT IS. THAT'S THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO MOVE UP
INTO JACKSONVILLE. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE YES, THEY HAVE HIGHER TAXES THAN JACKSONVILLE. 
          BUT IF WE TAX THEM DOWN HERE, WILL IT BE THE SAME AMOUNT AS WHAT'S UP IN JACKSONVILLE. 
          ALL RIGHT. BUT LET'S LET'S LET'S NOT PROTECT THE BIG PEOPLE,
OKAY? BECAUSE THEY THEY PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO A CAMPAIGN. 
          SO BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LET'S TAX THEM IF YOU WANT TO TAX THE PEOPLE,
IF YOU SUPPORT WHAT GOES ON. 
          AND THE PEOPLE VOTED TO TAX THEMSELVES BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE COUNCIL,
THEN LET'S TAX TAX. 
          LET'S TAX THE TAXES OKAY. LET'S GET MORE STUFF IN HERE. 
          YEAH. THE DRIS THEY WERE MADE BACK SO LONG AGO THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          THEY GOT THEY GRANDFATHERED THEMSELVES INTO THESE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY
WOULD GET AND MAKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO CARRY IT OVER DECADE AFTER DECADE AFTER DECADE. AND NOW PEOPLE STILL WANT TO MOVE DOWN HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MOVE DOWN HERE
AND THEY'LL GET TAXED. 
          THEY DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. THEY WANT TO MOVE DOWN HERE. 
          HEY. LET THEM. GOOD. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          CHARLIE. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SUZANNE CLEWLOW 109. 
          LAUREL WOOD WAY 32086. CHARLIE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT TAXES. CONCURRENCY IS FEES. IT'S A ONE TIME THING. 
          IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, MAYBE I'M WRONG,
BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A ONE TIME FEE THAT IS PAID BECAUSE OF IMPACT, AND THEN THEY SOMEHOW MERGE THE IMPACT FEES WITH THIS AND HAVE EVERYTHING COME OUT
SUPPOSEDLY EQUITABLE. 
          [02:20:02]
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS. NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A LOT OF DRY ICE STILL FLOATING AROUND
OUT THERE WHO ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET GRANDFATHERED IN,
I WOULD ASSUME, YOU KNOW, OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LEGAL FEES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. 
          AND SO BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM HERE FORWARD,
WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS DONE. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, WE'VE PASSED UP SOME FEES THAT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE COLLECTED AND THAT WOULD
HAVE BEEN NICE. 
          BUT KIND OF LIKE THE VOTE THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW,
IT'S DONE. 
          MOVE FORWARD. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE US NOT TO GO FULL BLOWN ONE WAY. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THE PENDULUM ALWAYS SWINGS WAY OVER HERE. 
          WAY OVER HERE. NEVER STARTS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TRIPS NUMBER THAT WILL TRIP THE FEE. 
          START SOMEWHERE THAT WE ALL FEEL IS NOT GOING TO HURT SMALL BUSINESS,
BUT WILL GET THE LARGER BUSINESSES THAT YOU KNOW. THE ONES THAT WILL KEEP COMING WILL GET THEM. 
          AND LET'S SEE HOW IT WORKS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING IN STONE. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. IT'S JUST FINDING THAT MAGICAL SWEET SPOT TO START AT. 
          AND LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES. AND IF YOU SEE THAT WE CAN GO,
YOU KNOW, WITH LOWER RATCHET IT BACK THEN I THINK WE NEED A COUPLE OF YEARS TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING AS A WHOLE
COUNTRY, NOT JUST AS A COUNTY IN TERMS OF ARE WE GOING TO HELP BUSINESSES CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WITHIN OUR, ARE OUR COMMUNITIES THAT BRING IN MONEY AND MAKE US SUCCESSFUL
OR NOT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING IN RIGHT NOW. 
          SO GIVE IT A WHIRL. WHY NOT? IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING. 
          ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE. PUBLIC COMMENT. BACK TO THE BOARD FOR EITHER A MOTION OR
COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAD STAFF DO SOME RESEARCH. 
          I BEGGED AND BEGGED AND THEY FINALLY FOUND A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES,
BECAUSE I DID WANT TO BRING REAL LIFE NUMBERS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE TODAY. 
          THE SONNY'S BARBECUE THAT COMMISSIONER MURPHY OWNS WAS ABLE TO OPEN WITH ROUGHLY $20,000
IN IMPACT FEES AND OBVIOUSLY NO PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE DOLLARS OWED, DUE TO THE WAIVER, SO THAT THAT DID NOT APPLY. 
          WERE WE TO ENACT THIS POLICY AND THE SONNY'S BARBECUE WERE TO OPEN IN THE SAME LOCATION,
IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL $513,188 IN PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE. THAT'S ON TOP OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION COSTS. 
          THAT'S ON TOP OF EVERYTHING THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR EQUIPMENT TO STAFF THE STORE. 
          GOVERNMENT IS NOW GOING TO TAKE $513,188 OUT OF THEIR POCKET. 
          THE NEW PIZZA THAT JUST OPENED NORTH OF THE AIRPORT. 
          GREAT RESTAURANT, GOOD WINGS, GOOD PIZZA, GOOD EVERYTHING. 
          WERE THEY TO OPEN UNDER THIS POLICY THAT THIS BOARD IS CONSIDERING ENACTING,
THEY'D BE REQUIRED TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL $4,405,617 TO THE GOVERNMENT TO OPEN THEIR DOORS SO THEY CAN BE IN BUSINESS SO THEY CAN
SERVE PIZZA OUT OF THOSE ITALIAN BRICK OVENS. I AM,
I AM. 
          THIS IS A FEE. THIS IS TECHNICALLY, IT'S A FEE. 
          IT'S IT'S A FEE LEGALLY. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS WILL BE PERCEIVED BY THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY AS A TAX. 
          IT IS HARD ENOUGH, COMMISSIONER MURPHY. YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD. IT IS HARD
ENOUGH. IT IS COSTLY ENOUGH. 
          THE COST OF GETTING THE DOORS OPEN JUST SO YOU CAN BE IN DEBT TO THE BANK ON DAY ONE. 
          THAT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER FOR JUST REGULAR PEOPLE TO DO. 
          IT IS UNCONSCIONABLE THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING ENACTING A NEW FEE,
WHICH PEOPLE DON'T CARE IF IT'S A TAX, A FEE, A TARIFF, A FINE. ALL THEY KNOW IS IT'S GOVERNMENT STANDING IN THEIR WAY OF TRYING
TO SUCCEED, TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE AMERICAN DREAM. AND I'M SICK OF IT. 
          SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. NOT NOW. NOT MOVING FORWARD. 
          I THINK IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER ANYTHING, SET THE TRIP THRESHOLD AT 1000 AND THEN PRAY
THAT GOD FORGIVES YOU. 
          [02:25:06]
I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT TRIP COUNT DID YOU COUNT THOSE NUMBERS AT? I JUST ASKED FOR EXAMPLES OF SMALL MOM AND POP STYLE RESTAURANTS. 
          I DID NOT ASK FOR TRIP COUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE BECAUSE AT 100,
THAT WOULDN'T COUNT ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY V'S PIZZA. BUT MY COMMENT IS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,
BUT THESE COMPANIES ARE COMING IN. 
          THE LARGER ONES ARE IMPACTING OUR SCHOOLS, OUR ROADS,
OUR SAFETY. 
          WHEN YOU CAN'T MOVE IN AN AREA BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE TO THE ROAD AND
SOMEBODY'S DYING AND YOU CAN'T GET AN AMBULANCE THERE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PLAN THIS PROPERLY AND WE DIDN'T GET THE IMPACT FEE TO MAKE THE ROADS THE WAY THEY SHOULD
BE. 
          THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH THIS. AND I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A MAGIC NUMBER. 
          AND I AGREE WITH MISS COLO. I THINK SHE'S RIGHT. 
          AND I JUST THINK GOING FROM 0 TO 100 ON A ON AN EXAMPLE IS NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC TO
THINK, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. 
          COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. YES. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. 
          I REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS ENACTED IN 2018. I THINK THE GOAL WAS IN THE 30S,
LIKE TO TRY AND GET OUR NONRESIDENTIAL UP TO, I THINK, 35%. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS,
IT IT HASN'T CHANGED MUCH AT ALL. 
          IT'S STILL UNDER 12% 11 POINT SOMETHING IN 2018. 
          AND NOW. SO THIS HASN'T REALLY HELPED GROW OUR PERCENTAGE OF NON RESIDENTIAL IN OUR
COUNTY. 
          BUT WHAT IT HAS DONE IS YOU KNOW KEPT A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE GOING TO OUR ROADS. 
          AND I KNOW I FOR ONE THAT IS ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS I HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS IS OUR
TRAFFIC, OUR LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR ROADS. SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A CLOSER
LOOK AT WHAT I KNOW. 
          WE'RE VERY LIMITED WITH WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
DO? BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY NEED RELIEF AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR OTHER. 
          THEY ARE LOOKING FOR OTHER, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVES. AND WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD WANT TO HURT A SMALL BUSINESS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD ASKED FOR IS I WOULD LOVE A LIST OF SINCE 2018,
WHAT BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN WAIVED, YOU KNOW, AND A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR EACH OF THOSE. 
          SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE AT THE 500 THRESHOLD OR THIS THRESHOLD IF
THAT WAS IN PLACE. 
          BUT WITHOUT THOSE NUMBERS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HARD TO ESTIMATE. 
          BUT BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          I JUST, I NEED WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, BUT I'M,
I'M HAPPY WITH, WITH YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE TALKED ABOUT SWINGING THE PENDULUM A LITTLE BIT, BUT TO JUST COMPLETELY WAIVE ALL OF THIS FOR NON RESIDENTIAL TRANSPORTATION,
TRANSPORTATION, CONCURRENCY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER. 
          COMMISSIONER MURPHY. THANK YOU. IF I CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          EXCUSE ME. SO, UNDER THE EXAMPLE THAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST GAVE FOR, LET'S JUST SAY, FOR A SONNY'S BARBECUE. 
          WELL, LET'S JUST SAY FOR JIMMY'S BARBECUE. THE IMPACT FEES TO OPEN IN A STORE LIKE THAT, LIKE A JIMMY'S BARBECUE. WOULD THE CONCURRENCY FEE BE OFFSET IN IMPACT FEE TAX
CREDITS? SO. YES, SIR. SO ANYTHING THAT'S PAID IN PROPORTIONATE,
FAIR SHARE FOR CONCURRENCY WOULD THEN BE USED DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR AGAINST YOUR IMPACT FEES. 
          AND SO IN THAT EXAMPLE OF THE 513,000 IN THAT SNAPSHOT,
THE 23,000 OF IMPACT FEE, YOU WOULD RECOUP 23,000 OF THAT, AND THEN THE OTHER WOULD BE OUT THERE IN CREDITS THAT ARE NOW TRANSFERABLE
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY TRANSFERABLE, DO YOU MEAN SELLABLE? SO COULD YOU. COULD I IF I WAS DOING THIS, COULD I SELL MY IMPACT FEE TAX CREDITS THEN FOR
YOU? COULD YOU COULD WHATEVER THE MARKET RATE IS FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS WITHIN YOUR ZONE OR
OUTSIDE OF YOUR ZONE AS IT PASSES MUSTER THROUGH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. 
          YES, YOU COULD. YOU COULD TRANSFER THOSE AND PUT A MONETARY VALUE TO THAT. 
          CERTAINLY. WE ARE SEEING THAT TODAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. 
          I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CHAMBER FOR COMING OUT AND TAKING A POSITION ON THIS. 
          I KNOW YOU SPEAK FOR A THOUSAND SMALL BUSINESSES IN THIS COMMUNITY,
AND SO I VERY MUCH VALUE YOUR TIME. 
          AND AGAIN, Y'ALL COMING TODAY TO TO MAKE A STATEMENT. 
          I RAN ON A PLATFORM TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS. 
          SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO HARM THAT OR HURT
THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY BEING THAT ARE ALREADY TAXED ENOUGH, IN MY OPINION. SO I'M A NO ON THIS. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR,
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? 
          [02:30:06]
WELL, I WOULD I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD LOOKING AT THIS WITH MAYBE WITH MORE
INFORMATION REGARDING THE TRIP, WHETHER IT BE 100 OR 500 THAT I DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY NOT DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT
JUST YET. 
          SO WHATEVER THE WORDING WOULD BE FOR FOR THAT TO GET MORE INFORMATION,
THAT'S WHAT A TRANSMITTAL IS, THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH THOSE DETAILS. 
          OKAY. I YES, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO TRANSMIT AND
REQUEST STAFF TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU REQUESTED? YES. THANK YOU. SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. THAT FAILS. 2 TO 3. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA NUMBER THREE. AND I THINK WE HAVE QUASI JUDICIAL ON THIS. 
          [3. Public Hearing * PLNAPPL 2024-05 500 Morning Side Dr. (Appeal of PVZVAR 2024-02 Approval). Request to appeal the Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board’s (PVZAB) approval of a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.P of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for a maximum Impervious Surface Ratio (ISR) of 44% in lieu of the required 40% to accommodate a swimming pool, located specifically at 500 Morning Side Drive. The request was originally approved with a 5-0 vote at the regularly scheduled PVZAB meeting that took place on 11/4/2024.]
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. I MET ON JANUARY THE 28TH IN THE AFTERNOON WITH MR. WHITEHOUSE HERE IN THE OFFICE WITH OUR STAFF. 
          WE DISCUSSED THE SITUATION ON MORNINGSIDE DRIVE,
SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAD, THE PROCESS, AND AND EXACTLY WHAT THE LANDOWNERS OR THE HOMEOWNERS WERE TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH WITH THE WITH THE WAIVER. 
          COMMISSIONER ARNOLD? YES. THANK YOU. I HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE ON BEHALF OF
THE APPLICANT, ON JANUARY 27TH HERE IN THE OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE LOT,
WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. 
          I HAVE RECEIVED NO PHONE CALLS AND NO EMAILS. 
          COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES. I HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE AND STAFF ON JANUARY 27TH, AND A MEETING WITH LUANN, DELVIN AND COUNTY STAFF ON FEBRUARY 3RD. 
          NO. COMMISSIONER MURPHY. YES, MA'AM. HAD A MEETING ON JANUARY 28TH WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE
AND COUNTY STAFF REGARDING THE 500 MORNINGSIDE DRIVE, AND I HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE ON JANUARY 27TH AND NO EMAILS. 
          IT'S ALL YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR ANY WITNESSES IN? NO. I THINK, LEX, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER? HE. 
          I THINK HE'S GOING TO GO OVER THE. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER AND IT HAS TWO PARTIES. 
          SO THE PARTIES HAVE AGREED THAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION FOR TEN
MINUTES. 
          THEN THE ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY WILL MAKE A TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION. 
          AFTER THAT, THERE'LL BE PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THREE MINUTES FOR EACH PERSON THAT WANTS TO
SPEAK. 
          THEN AFTER THAT, THERE'S A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL BY THE AFFECTED PARTY,
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT GETS FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL. 
          ANYWHERE DURING THERE, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS JUST LIKE YOU WOULD IN ANY OTHER QUASI
JUDICIAL MATTER. 
          SO COMMISSIONER MURPHY NEEDS TO BE ON IT FOR THE TIME. 
          THANK YOU SIR. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD,
JAMES WHITEHOUSE, SAINT JOHN'S LAW GROUP, 104 SEAGROVE MAIN STREET, HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY,
FLORIDA. 
          I'M HERE ON THIS PLANNING APPEAL. WE ARE THE APPELLEE. 
          AS YOU HEARD, YOUR DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY TELL YOU IN THIS? WE WERE APPROVED BY YOUR PONTE VEDRA ZONING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY FOR APPROVAL OF THIS PONTE
VEDRA ZONING VARIANCE TO THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING CODE. 
          WE FIRST CAME BEFORE THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING BOARD ON OCTOBER 7TH,
AT THEIR REGULARLY SCHEDULED AND ADVERTISED MEETING TO REQUEST REASONABLE RELIEF FROM THE PONTE VEDRA CODE. AND THEN WE CAME BACK TO THEM IN NOVEMBER TO REQUEST
REASONABLE RELIEF. 
          IN THE INITIAL APPLICATION, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR TWO VARIANCES FROM THE PONTE VEDRA
ZONING CODE. 
          THE FIRST ONE WAS FOR A MINOR VARIANCE FOR 11IN ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THE SECOND ONE WAS THE ONE THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY ON APPEAL,
WHICH HAD TO DO WITH THE LOT COVERAGE IN THE AREA. 
          THE FIRST VARIANCE, BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH YOUR PONTE VEDRA ZONING BOARD,
WAS TO REMOVE THAT VARIANCE, ALTHOUGH IT WAS ONLY 11IN IN THE BACK OF IT. THEY FOUND THAT THAT IF WE COULD FIND A WAY
TO REDUCE THE POOL TO MEET THAT BACK ZONING VARIANCES, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOT COVERAGE. 
          AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE LOT COVERAGE INCREASE IS ONLY FOR THE POOL
AREA, ONLY FOR THE WATER AREA OF THE POOL. BUT LIKE I SAID,
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. 
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THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN PONTE VEDRA AT THE CORNER OF SOLANA ROAD AND
MORNINGSIDE DRIVE. 
          HERE YOU CAN SEE IN THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THIS IS A-1-A GOING NORTH TOWARDS JAY TURNER. 
          BUTLER. AND THIS IS THE THE WINN-DIXIE AND THE FIRE STATION OVER HERE ON A-1-A. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE WITHIN RESIDENTIAL. SEE, IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE AND OUR 1D IN THE PONTE VEDRA
ZONING CODE. 
          THESE ARE SIMILARLY SIZED, PLATTED LOTS WITHIN PONTE VEDRA. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S THE ONE WHERE I HAVE THE POINTER UP IN THE CORNER,
BUT ALL OF THEM ARE SIMILARLY SIZED. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IN RELATION THE THE AREA WAS DEVELOPED AS HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT
THERE'S MANY OTHER SIMILARLY SIZED LOTS HERE WITH APPROVED POOLS. A NUMBER OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED VARIANCES OVER THE YEARS,
SOME OF THEM AS RECENTLY AS THIS LAST YEAR. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS MORNINGSIDE DRIVE. IT SHOWS THE LOT ON THE CORNER HERE. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU A CLOSE UP. AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL SIMILARLY SIZED LOTS,
ALTHOUGH OUR LOT IS SHAPED IRREGULARLY BASED ON THE CURVE COMING ONTO MORNINGSIDE DRIVE. AS I SAID, WE CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IN THAT OCTOBER
MEETING. 
          WE WENT BACK, REVISED THE APPLICATION AND TOOK OUT THE FIRST VARIANCE,
REDESIGNED THE POOL TO MAKE IT SMALLER. 
          AGREED TO GUTTER THE HOUSE AND DIRECT ALL THE WATER TO THE EXISTING CATCH BASINS. 
          AT BOTH THE FIRST HEARING AND THE SECOND HEARING,
YOUR EXPERT COUNTY STAFF ENGINEERS TESTIFIED THAT THERE WERE ALREADY OUTFALL AREAS FOR THIS THE WATER WOULD BE CONTAINED THAT THESE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE BOARD AGREED
TO AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO WOULD HELP TO MITIGATE THAT FURTHER. 
          BUT THERE WAS ALREADY ABILITY TO DO THIS. AGAIN,
LIKE I SAID ON THIS, ON THIS SAME BLOCK, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SIMILARLY SIZED LOTS WITH POOLS ALREADY APPROVED AND IN PLACE. 
          I BELIEVE THIS IS THE APPELLANT PROPERTY BACK HERE. 
          YOU'LL HEAR MORE FROM THEM AFTER WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VARIANCES, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE STUFF BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT.
BUT THERE ARE REASONS FOR VARIANCES AS DEFINED WITHIN YOUR CODE AND WITHIN THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING CODE. AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS A POSTER CHILD FOR A VARIANCE IS IRREGULARLY
SHAPED LOTS. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, IT WAS POINTED OUT BY A NUMBER OF YOUR MEMBERS ON THE PONTEVEDRA
ZONING BOARD. 
          IN APPROVING THIS UNANIMOUSLY, WAS THE FACT THAT THIS LOT IS IRREGULARLY SHAPED. 
          THIS LOT DOES QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS AREA IN THE GREEN CIRCLE AS
WELL AS IN THE ORANGE. 
          ON TO THE LEFT HERE. THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE. 
          THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE LOT COVERAGE IS FOR PERMEABILITY. 
          PERMEABILITY IS REQUIRED BY LOT AREA. THIS PARTICULAR LOT CANNOT COUNT THIS LOT AREA
BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE ITS BORDERS. 
          HOWEVER THE AREA IS THERE FOR PERMEABILITY. AND THAT'S WHY YOUR ENGINEERS SAID NO. 
          THIS IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THERE IS AREA. THIS IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THERE IS STILL THE
PERMEABILITY WITHIN THE THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. 
          IN ANY CASE I'LL GO THROUGH THIS IS JUST THE APPLICATION I SUBMITTED TO THEM,
I MEAN THE PRESENTATION I SUBMITTED TO THEM. SO I'LL GO THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICKLY. IN ANY CASE AS I SAID, IT WAS THE VARIANCE FOR LOT COVERAGE. 
          IT INCLUDED THE AS I SAID, STAFF REQUESTED VARIANCE BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS A CERTAIN
AMOUNT. 
          IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT WATER AREA OF POOLS IS INCLUDED IN THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S BEEN THE INTERPRETATION FOR A WHILE. 
          AND SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, EVERYTHING ON THE LOT THAT IS COVERED BY ANY SIDEWALK OR
POOL DECK OR DRIVEWAY IS PERMEABLE OR PERVIOUS. PAVERS OVER A PERMEABLE BASE WHICH ARE ALL NOT PART,
WHICH ARE PERMEABLE. 
          SO THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO KEEP THIS WITHIN THE PERCENTAGES,
AS I SAID, JUST TO GO QUICKLY. 
          THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE DESIGN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT,
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY HAVE THE PERVIOUS, PERVIOUS PAVERS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OVERAGE IS ONLY FOR THIS VERY SMALL POOL AREA,
A WATER AREA IN THE BACK. 
          THERE'S CLEARLY A HARDSHIP. AND YOUR BOARD UNANIMOUSLY FOUND THAT FROM PONTE VEDRA BECAUSE
OF THE IRREGULAR SHAPE OF THIS LOT, AND BECAUSE THE FACT THAT THE REAL SPIRIT INTENT OF THE CODE IS STILL MET BECAUSE YOU HAVE
THAT PERMEABLE AREA WON'T KEEP HARPING ON THAT FACT. IF YOU DID INCLUDE. 
          OH, THIS IS SO. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT NOW THEY NEED APPROXIMATELY 3.5% BECAUSE THAT WATER
AREA, THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES UP. IF YOU IF YOU INCLUDED THE THAT THAT ORANGE AREA LIKE EVERY OTHER
LOT AND IT WASN'T AN IRREGULARLY SHAPED LOT, THEN THEY WOULD BE UNDER THEY'D BE AT 38.8%. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY YOUR ENGINEERS AND YOUR EXPERT COUNTY STAFF FOUND THAT THIS WAS AN
APPROPRIATE VARIANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL MEETING THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE CODE. 
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AND LIKE I TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE,
THE LOT AREA OF ALL THESE OTHER LOTS, THEY'RE ALL 7200FT², AND THIS ONE WOULD BE 7200FT². BUT FOR THE IRREGULARLY SHAPE OF THE LOT,
WHICH, AS I SAID, UNDER UNDER YOUR ZONING CODE AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE,
THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR VARIANCES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN IRREGULARLY CHARACTERISTIC OF THAT PARTICULAR LOT,
WHICH AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE AND WHY YOUR ZONING BOARD FOUND UNANIMOUSLY THAT THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE LOT FOR A VARIANCE. 
          I'LL JUST GO QUICKLY. AGAIN, THIS IS AN APPEAL. 
          WE WERE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. THE APPEAL IS BY THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'LL PRESENT THEIR ARGUMENT,
AND WE HAVE A TIME FOR REBUTTAL AFTER TO TALK ABOUT IT OR IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT, IT MET YOUR PONTE VEDRA ZONING CODE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT COMMON THAT YOU'LL RECEIVE,
FIRST OF ALL, VARIANCE FOR THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING BOARD. 
          NUMBER ONE, BUT NUMBER TWO, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. 
          AND THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION RECEIVED BOTH OF THOSE. 
          I HAD INCLUDED EXAMPLES FOR THAT ZONING BOARD,
WHICH THEY ALREADY KNEW ABOUT, BUT OTHER VARIANCES THAT THEY HAD ACTUALLY GRANTED, IN THIS AREA, ONE PARTICULARLY THAT WAS OR THESE THREE PARTICULARLY THAT ARE JUST UP HERE
TO THE NORTH A BIT THAT WERE APPROVED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, AND ONE OF THEM WAS AT PHILLIPS AVENUE. 
          ON MAY 6TH OF LAST YEAR. AND IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS PARTICULAR. 
          APPLICATION IN FACT, THAT ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT,
IS A REGULAR SHAPED LOT. 
          THEY HAD FOUND A WAY TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THAT WILL HAVE NO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THIS ONE UNDER YOUR CODE AND UNDER FLORIDA LAW QUALIFIES
FOR A VARIANCE? AND THEREFORE WE WOULD ASK YOU TO UPHOLD YOUR ZONING CODE. 
          UNANIMOUS GRANT OF THIS VARIANCE. AND I CAN RESERVE REBUTTAL FOR AFTER THE APPELLANT. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT IS MR. DALVIN. THAT'S FOR TEN MINUTES. 
          I AM HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS ALL VOICED SEVERAL CONCERNS
BY SENDING LETTERS, ALSO VOICING OUR OPINION DURING THE LAST MEETING IN NOVEMBER. 
          WE FEEL AS NEIGHBORS AND AS A COMMUNITY THAT OUR VOICES WERE NOT HEARD ABOUT THE CONCERN
WE HAVE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT BEHIND US, ESPECIALLY WATER ISSUES AND WATER MITIGATION ISSUES,
WHICH ARE PROBLEMATIC. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ARTICLES IN THE PAPER. 
          HERE'S ONE ARTICLE IN THE PAPER, AND I'M GOING TO DISPLAY MANY OTHERS THAT ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE WATER ISSUES. 
          ANOTHER CONCERN WE HAVE IS THAT THE HOME NEXT TO THIS HOME,
WHICH THE ATTORNEY HAS STATED THEY HAVE A POOL, BUT THAT'S TOTALLY FALSE. THEY ARE NOT EVEN APPROVED FOR A POOL. 
          BUT THEY CAME TO OUR HOUSE A FEW LAST WEEK AND ASKED IF WE WOULD OPPOSE IF THEY WERE ASKED
FOR A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY TOO WANTED A LARGER POOL THAN WHAT THE COUNTY ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO LARGE POOLS IN OUR
BACKYARD. 
          THE VARIANCE REQUEST WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS HAVE WRITTEN THE COMMITTEE AND ALSO GIVEN VERBAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE
VARIANCE REQUEST. 
          THEIR CONCERN, OF COURSE, IS FLOODING. MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN IMPACTED WITH FLOODING
ISSUES IN THE PAST. 
          IN MY EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE DO NOT OVERSTATE THEIR CONCERNS OF FLOODING. 
          HERE'S ANOTHER ARTICLE THAT WAS IN THE PAPER ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUES. 
          HE BUILT A LARGE HOUSE AND NOW WANTS TO IMPACT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY BY INCREASING THE
WATER DRAINAGE ISSUES AND BY SELF-SERVING REQUESTS FOR VARIANCE, INCREASING THE LARGEST POOL THEY CAN FIT ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS A PROBLEM SINCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PERMEABLE AREA IS IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          THAT'S WHY HE HAS A SPECIAL VARIANCE FOR ONLY A 7.5FT SETBACK. 
          INSTEAD OF A TEN FOOT SETBACK IN THE BACK BECAUSE OF THE CURVATURE OF THE LAND. 
          THE MEASURES THAT THEY TOOK TO IMPROVE THE WATER FLOW ISSUES IN THE BACK WOULD NOT BE
HELPFUL. 
          THE MAIN WATER MITIGATION SYSTEM IS GUTTERS AND DRAIN PIPES,
AND THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT TO THE TO THE ROAD. 
          BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, GUTTERS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THEY ARE MAINTAINED,
AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE COUNTY CAN MAINTAIN THAT THOSE GUTTERS 
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ARE MAINTAINED PROPERLY. IT'S UP TO THE LANDOWNER,
SO WE'RE NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE KEEPING THEM OPEN AND VIABLE. 
          THE COUNTY CANNOT MANDATE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE GUTTERS. 
          WATER ISSUES ARE HORRENDOUS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT RAINS OFTEN THERE'S MITIGATION
ISSUES. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IN PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD, OFTEN IT'S CLOSED WHEN IT RAINS HEAVILY. 
          LAST MEETING IN NOVEMBER. THE LAND. RECENTLY WE FOUND OUT THE HOME NEXT TO THIS HOME,
WHICH IS 502 MORNINGSIDE, IS GOING TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY,
TOO, WANT TO BUILD A POOL THAT'S LARGER THAN IS ALLOWED. 
          GREATER THAN THE 40%. WHEN IS IT GOING TO END? DURING THIS LAST HEARING IN NOVEMBER, THERE'S A NEIGHBOR AT 510,
LEMASTER, THAT CITED FLOODING AT HER NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AT 508 LEMASTER DURING HEAVY RAIN. SHE DESCRIBED THE WATER WAS ENCROACHING IN HER GARAGE. 
          THE WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM DOESN'T GRASP THE SEVERITY OF WATER ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AN INCREASED BURDEN OF IMPACT OF THE PERCENTAGE OF PERMEABILITY IS LESS THAN 40%,
WHICH WOULD ADD INCREASING BURDEN TO THE SYSTEM. 
          MOST OF MOST OF THE BACKYARD IS NON PERMEABLE WITH THE POOL THERE. 
          HERE'S THE FACT. IT'S A 33.1FT SETBACK FROM THE FRONT WHERE MOST OF THE VACANT LAND IS IN
THE FRONT. 
          IN THE HOME IS 68.2FT LONG, WITH A TOTAL OF 101.3FT. 
          THE PROPERTY LENGTH IS 120.1. SUBTRACTING THE 101.3 EQUALS 18.6. 
          IN THE BACK, THEY ALREADY HAVE A ONE FOOT RETENTION WALL,
WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL WIDTH TO. 
          THE BACKYARD IS 17.5. AND THEY AND THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A EIGHT FOOT WIDE POOL WITH
JACUZZI. 
          THEY NEED A 7.5 SETBACK. THAT ONLY GIVES THEM A FOOT FROM THE RETENTION WALL AND A FOOT
FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THEIR HOUSE. 
          BY GRANTING THIS VARIANCE REQUEST OF 4%, IT'S EQUIVALENT TO 250FT². 
          THAT'S A LOT OF LOT OF PERMEABILITY. THAT'S A DECREASE OF 250FT OF PERMEABILITY IN THE
BACKYARD. 
          MOST OF THE PERMEABILITY IS IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          ALL THE FLOODING IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THE BACKYARD,
AFFECTING NEIGHBORS. 
          THE 4% IS EQUIVALENT TO A MAJOR BEDROOM. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO BUILD SUCH A LARGE HOME ON
SUCH A SMALL AREA OF LAND. 
          THE COMMUNITY REQUESTED THE VARIANCE NOT BE GRANTED,
AND THE SIZE OF THE POOL BE LIMITED TO THE 40% PERMEABILITY IN THE POOL. 
          EQUIPMENT SUCH AS PUMPS, ANCILLARY POOL ACCESSORIES CANNOT BE LOCATED IN THE BACKYARD. 
          I REQUEST THE DENIAL OF THIS VARIANCE. THEY ARE STATING THEY HAVE LOTS OF PERMEABLE LAND,
BUT IT'S ALL IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          NOTHING IN THE BACKYARD AND WE'RE GOING TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THAT. 
          WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT SPOKE AND WROTE LETTERS IN A VERY CONCERNED. 
          THE BIGGEST WATER MITIGATION SYSTEM THEY HAVE IS THE GUTTERS. 
          AND YET THE COUNTY. COUNTY CANNOT MANDATE THE MAINTENANCE OF GUTTERS BECAUSE IT'S ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          THE GUTTERS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THEY ARE MAINTAINED. 
          THIS IS A BIG DEAL. EVEN THE COUNTY HAS PROBLEMS WITH THEIR GUTTERS. 
          THERE'S A FINISHING OF THIS IN THIS. IT SAYS RIGHT HERE THAT THE PEOPLE ON LEMASTER ARE
AFFECTED BY THE SEA VIEW PEOPLE COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S BEEN MENTIONED IN THE PAST THAT OTHER HOMES AND COMMUNITIES DO HAVE POOLS. MOST POOLS
DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A VARIANCE REQUEST. 
          THEY DID HAVE IF THEY DID HAVE VARIANCE REQUEST,
THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T OPPOSE IN THIS INSTANCE. 
          THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. 
          WHY IS THE COUNTY RULE OF 40% PERMEABILITY WHEN SOMEONE CAN REQUEST WITHOUT SPECIAL NEEDS, REQUEST THE VARIANCE? WHY NOT LET EVERYBODY USE UP A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF THE LAND ON
THIS? IN THIS SITUATION, THERE'S NO SPECIAL NEEDS OR SPECIAL REQUESTS OR SPECIAL SITUATION. 
          IT'S JUST THAT THEY WANTED TO SELL A HOUSE. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY OR THE
NEIGHBORS. 
          THE NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY HAVE TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF POSSIBLE FLOODING. 
          THEY COULD HAVE BUILT A SMALLER HOME AND NEVER HAD TO DISRUPT THE COMMUNITY OR REQUEST A
VARIANCE. 
          THEY BASICALLY WENT FROM ONE HOME TO TWO HOMES THAT ARE ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN THE ORIGINAL
HOME. 
          THIS PAST WEEKEND, THE HOMEOWNERS NEXT TO THEM CAME OVER AND ASKED IF WE WOULD OPPOSE
THEIR REQUEST TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL VARIANCE ALSO. 
          THIS IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THESE
HOMEOWNERS. 
          THEY COULD HAVE BUILT A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND THAT AFFECTED THE COMMUNITY,
AND THEY COULD HAVE HAD A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OF LAND USAGE. 
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE'LL NOW OPEN THE MICROPHONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          HELLO. MY NAME IS WILL MONTOYA. I LIVE AT 502 LEMASTER DRIVE. 
          I'M CRAIG'S NEIGHBOR. I'M ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS AFFECTED BY THE VARIANCE. 
          WE DID GO IN OCTOBER AND MEET WITH THE VARIANCE COMMITTEE. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY. I'M ACTUALLY A PAST MSD TRUSTEE,
AND WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO FIGHT THE SOLANO EXPANSION. AND WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY. THE RESIDENTS CAME OUT AND ALL OBVIOUSLY VOICED
THEIR CONCERN ABOUT EXPANDING A ROAD LIKE SOLANO. 
          AND I THINK WE ALL HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE
GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND AS A RESULT, WE VOTED TO NOT EXPAND SOLANA. 
          SO WHEN WE CAME TO THIS VARIANCE MEETING IN OCTOBER,
I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THE THE FOLKS THAT REPRESENTED THAT COMMITTEE AND THE COUNTY. AND WE HAD SEVERAL NEIGHBORS THAT TOOK THE TIME
TO COME DOWN. 
          WE ACTUALLY DID WRITE LETTERS BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT WAS WHAT YOU HAD TO DO. 
          WE DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE WAS LETTERS THAT WE COULD HAVE WRITTEN TO YOU ALL. BUT AGAIN,
THE PROCEDURAL PROCESS WAS THAT WE WOULD COME NEIGHBORS WOULD ATTEND. WE EVEN HAD AN MSD TRUSTEE THAT ATTENDED THAT MEETING. 
          AND AND OF COURSE, WE HAD THE, THE ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTING A BUILDER WHO BOUGHT THE ONE
LOT THAT SPLIT IT INTO TWO. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THAT LOT, IS THAT IT WAS ONE HOME AT ONE TIME,
AND THEN IT WAS EVENTUALLY CUT INTO TWO LOTS. 
          AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S PRESENTING THESE ISSUES. 
          YOU HAD A BUILDER THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS GREAT REPRESENTATION AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE RULES AND
THE SETBACKS AND BUILT UP TWO HOMES AS MUCH AS BIG AS THEY COULD FIT ON THOSE TWO LOTS,
AND, OF COURSE, WAITED FOR THE POOL TOWARDS THE VERY END. 
          BUT IN THAT VARIANCE MEETING, UNLIKE WHEN WE FOUGHT FOR SOLANO,
WE HAD NEIGHBORS REPRESENTING OUR INTERESTS WHO ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THIS VARIANCE. AND OUR OPPONENT TO THIS OR THE THE APPLICANT FOR THE VARIANCE WAS JUST THE
ATTORNEY. 
          THERE WAS NO BUILDER THERE. THERE WAS NO RESIDENT. 
          BUT DURING THE PRESENTATION OF THAT ATTORNEY,
HE CLAIMED A LOT OF HARDSHIP FOR THIS RESIDENT. 
          WELL, THERE WAS NO RESIDENT. IT WAS A BUILDER. 
          AND SO THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FROM THE TIME THEY BOUGHT THAT ONE LOT,
AND THE CHANGES IN THE TWO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SETBACKS AND THE VARIANCES WERE AND THOSE VARIANCES THERE TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM OVER FLOODING,
WHICH WE'RE NOW BEING AFFECTED BECAUSE THREE OF THOSE LOTS IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, AND NOW WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE THE WATER OVERFLOW AS A RESULT OF THAT. 
          SO THAT'S MY REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS LUANN GALVIN. 
          I'M 500 LEMASTER DRIVE. MR. WHITEHOUSE DID SAY THAT THE ZONING BOARD DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY. 
          I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU. WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR? WOULD YOU USE THAT MICROPHONE AND SAY YOUR
NAME AGAIN, PLEASE? LOU ANN DOLVEN. 
          THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY. MR. WHITEHOUSE WAS CORRECT. 
          THE ZONING BOARD DID UNANIMOUSLY. AND I HAVE INVISALIGN IN HERE,
SO. 
          SORRY. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TALK. AND THEY DID UNANIMOUSLY VOTE FOR THIS. 
          THE REQUEST, THE VARIANCE REQUEST. HOWEVER, THERE WERE CAVEATS THAT EACH ONE OF THEM SAID
IN THEIR RELUCTANCE TO VOTE FOR THE UNANIMOUS DECISION. SO I WANT THAT TO GO ON RECORD THAT IT IT WASN'T LIKE,
YAY, YAY, PRO, YOU GOT IT. 
          IT WAS MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BUILT SUCH A BIG HOUSE,
BUT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY. 
          SO THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? HI. CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES. IF WE STRIP ALL THE FATHER COVERING OFF OF THIS. 
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IT REMINDS ME OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE BIG COMPANIES AND OR PEOPLE WHO COME IN AT THE LAST
MINUTE TO MAKE A CHANGE. OKAY. THIS HOUSE WAS JUST. THE PROPERTY WAS JUST BUILT OR BOUGHT WITHIN THE LAST
TWO YEARS. 
          AND THE HOUSE BEING IT'S A NEW BUILD. SO WHO DID ALL THE PLANNING? WHO DID ALL THIS? WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          YES. THOSE ATTORNEYS WHO COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE JUST TO MAKE THIS LAST CHANGE,
WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          WHY DIDN'T WHY WASN'T IT DONE ALL THE TIME BEFORE? YOU KNOW, IN A WAY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IT'S A IT'S A MEANS OF GETTING IT DONE. 
          WELL, AFTER THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED. 
          AND THEY WANT TO MAKE A SMALL CHANGE. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A A FINDING IN THE GROUND. 
          SOME, LIKE ARCHEOLOGICAL FINDING OR SOMETHING. 
          THEY FOUND THAT THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND AND MAKE A CHANGE. 
          LIKE IF THIS WAS JUST A THOUGHT OF ONE DAY. YEAH. 
          LET'S MAKE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. OKAY. REALLY? AND THE PRICE THEY'RE PAYING FOR THIS, THE PROPERTY AND FOR THIS HOUSE. 
          YOU REALLY THINK THEY WAS LIKE, WELL, LET'S JUST WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE AND PUT IT
THROUGH AND IT'LL PASS. 
          AND BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY GOT PASSED. 
          RIGHT. IT'S THE PRACTICAL SENSE OF IT ALL. RIGHT. 
          THE PRACTICAL SENSE OF HOW THIS ACTION HAPPENS A LOT HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. 
          AT THE LAST MINUTE, AFTER ALL THE PLANNING AND BUILDING HAS BEEN DONE,
MOST OF IT IS 95% DONE. 
          LET'S MAKE THIS LAST CHANGE. OKAY. BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL LOOK AT IT LIKE,
OKAY, GREAT. 
          IT'S GONE UP. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. WE'LL MAKE THIS LAST CHANGE. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT'S THAT'S THE SCHEME OF THINGS IN THIS COUNTY. 
          IT'S BECOMING A AN OBSESSED ACTION ON LAST MINUTE CHANGES,
NO MATTER IF IT'S A FOOT OR IF IT'S TEN FEET. 
          IT'S THESE LAST MINUTE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING IN BECAUSE WE DID NOT KNOW WE WANTED IT
THAT MUCH BIGGER. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE PRACTICAL SENSE. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT'S BEING TOSSED OFF TO THE
SIDE. 
          THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE,
WE'LL CLOSE. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT. I GUESS WE'RE BACK TO MR. DELVIN FOR REBUTTAL. 
          SO YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER. 
          I'M NOT USED TO DOING THIS. I GET NERVOUS AND SOMETIMES I JUST READ THINGS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THIS WHERE PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS AND THERE'S CERTAIN RULES
LIKE THE PERMEABILITY OF 40%, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY. WE ALL GET UPSET,
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE IMPACT OF FLOODING, EVEN IF THEY DO CERTAIN MEASURES, IS WE CAN SEE THERE'S MEASURES IN HERE ALREADY OF
DRAINAGE PIPES THAT ARE ALREADY CLOGGED UP, THAT ARE AFFECTING US. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS LONG RUN FLOODING WHERE WE
GO IN FIVE YEARS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A BIG HURRICANE AND THERE'S FLOODING AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT US. 
          WE'VE ALREADY HAD TO PUT AN IN-GROUND SUMP PUMP TO HELP WITH THE WATER FLOW ISSUES THAT
ACCUMULATE IN OUR BACKYARD THAT WASN'T THERE. 
          WILL MONTOYA HAD TO DO ONE. SEVERAL NEIGHBORS WERE ALL BEING IMPACTED,
AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT FLOODING ONCE IT OCCURS. 
          IT'S SO I JUST I WISH YOU GUYS WOULD BE PATIENT WITH ME IN THE SENSE THAT I'M NOT A VERY
GOOD SPEAKER. 
          AND I JUST SPEAKING FROM THE HEART THAT WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING A BIG HOUSE,
THEY KNEW THEY WERE THE DEVELOPER. 
          THEY KNEW GOING INTO THIS WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO,
THEY HAD TO GET THE PERMISSION FROM YOU ALL. 
          AND THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE, THEY DECIDED TO THEY WANTED MORE. 
          THEY COULDN'T SELL THE HOUSE. AND SO THEY WANTED TO ADD THIS POOL. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACKYARD, HE'S GOING TO ONLY HAVE ONE FOOT ON EACH SIDE OF THE
POOL. 
          IT'S A 20. THE POOL IS 20FT LONG, TOO, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE PERMEABILITY
WHEN THE WHEN IT WHEN IT RAINS. 
          VERY LITTLE PLACE FOR THAT WATER TO GO. THEY'RE COUNTING ON DRAIN PIPES,
BUT WE KNOW IN THE PAPER ARTICLES ALREADY THAT DRAIN PIPES DON'T 
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NECESSARILY ALWAYS WORK. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WERE THIS PERSON,
THIS PERSON'S NEIGHBOR TO YOU, AND VOTE WITH YOUR CONSCIENCE. THANK YOU. MR. WHITEHOUSE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS YOU KNOW,
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, OBVIOUSLY, TO THE NEIGHBORS, AND THIS HASN'T BEEN AN ACRIMONIOUS EXERCISE,
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS BROUGHT INTO AFTER THE FACT. 
          THIS WASN'T SOME COMMON PLAN OR SCHEME TO GET THIS GOING. 
          I WAS BROUGHT IN AFTER THE THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. 
          I DID GO BACK THOUGH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS,
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. AND JUST ONE THING TO POINT OUT, I THINK YOU KNOW, AS THEY STATED, THE ZONING BOARD DID RESPECTFULLY CONSIDER THIS. 
          THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST HEARD. 
          THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IN PONTE VEDRA,
THEY ALL LIVE THERE. 
          THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN FLOODING ISSUES IN PONTE VEDRA ON THE BOULEVARD OR ON SOLANO, BUT THAT'S WHY ACTIONS WERE TAKEN BY THE FORMER BOARD BY I KNOW THIS CHAIRMAN,
WHO'S THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER IS WORKING WITH MSD TO WORK ON FLOODING ISSUES IN THE AREA. BUT THIS PARTICULAR LOT, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FACTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT VARIANCES ARE ABOUT. THEY'RE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. 
          AND IN THIS INSTANCE YOU HEAR COMMENTS THAT THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT BIGGER THAN IT COULD BE. 
          ACTUALLY THESE ARE THE STATISTICS FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. 
          AND IT'S IN SIMILAR SIZE TO THE LOTS RIGHT NEXT TO IT. 
          IN FACT, IT'S SMALLER AND IT'S SMALLER BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE BUILT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S ON
A CURVE. 
          YOU SEE THESE ARE RECTANGULAR HOUSES, THIS CURVE. 
          THIS HOUSE HAD TO BE BUILT, KIND OF TAPERED BACK ON THIS SIDE TO MEET THE SETBACKS. 
          THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY VARIANCES FOR THE SETBACKS. 
          IN FACT, YOU HEARD REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE A CONTINUED REFERENCE TO THE FACT
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE IN THE BACK, WHICH THEY ARE NOT. THEY REMOVED THAT VARIANCE. 
          AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE THE REAL REASON WHY YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD VOTED
UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE WAS BECAUSE OF THE FACTS OF THIS APPLICATION, BECAUSE OF THE FACTS OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT,
WHICH HAS THE SAME PERMEABILITY. 
          THAT IS THE REASON FOR SECTION EIGHT DOT P OF OUR PONTEVEDRA CODE FOR PERMEABILITY IS TO
ALLOW PERMEABILITY TO OCCUR ON LOTS. IF THIS IF THIS DIDN'T IF THIS WASN'T PRESENT HERE,
I WILL TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I SAT THROUGH AT TWO MEETINGS HERE, PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED THIS VARIANCE,
BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOUR EXPERT STAFF ENGINEERS STATED THAT THERE IS EFFECTIVE OUTFALL BOTH ON SOLANA AND MORNINGSTAR. 
          MORNINGSIDE THERE IS THE AREA FOR PERMEABILITY,
AND THIS IS AN IRREGULARLY SHAPED LOT. 
          AND BUT FOR THE REGULAR SHAPE OF THIS LOT, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ISR REQUIRED IN THIS
PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT THAT THEY FELT THAT THIS WAS APPROPRIATE, AS I SAID UNANIMOUSLY THIS WAS THEIR ORDER. 
          IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. THEY SPECIFICALLY INSTITUTED THESE CONDITIONS,
WHICH THE APPLICANT AGREED TO. 
          THE STIPULATION THAT ALL WATER ON THE ROOF AREA WILL BE CAPTURED BY GUTTERS,
DIRECTED TO DOWNSPOUTS, PIPED TO THE STREET, TO THE OUTFALLS THAT YOUR EXPERT ENGINEERS STATED WERE THE
APPROPRIATE AREAS THAT WOULD ACCEPT CAUSE AN ACCEPTABLE CONDITION FOR THIS MINOR VARIANCE TO THE ISR. AGAIN, YOUR ENGINEERS TESTIFIED,
BOTH MR. POULSON AND MR. D'SOUZA AT THOSE HEARINGS, THAT THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE HAS PROPER
OUTFALL. 
          THESE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE CONSIDERED, BUT THEY COULD BE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO HELP
WITH THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. 
          ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION OF WHAT'S HAPPENED ON THE BOULEVARD,
ON SOLANA ROAD AND ANY OTHER AREAS OF PONTE VEDRA ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CONSIDERATION WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. AS I SAID,
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION HAS AN IRREGULARLY SHAPED LOT, HAS A HARDSHIP BASED ON THAT, NOT ON WHAT THE PEOPLE OR WHO'S ASKING FOR IT HAS TO DO WITH
THE LOT ITSELF. 
          SINCE IT DOES, IT MEETS THE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER PONTEVEDRA CODE FOR THIS
VARIANCE, AND AGAIN, THE ONLY AREA ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE IS THE WATER AREA OF THE POOL. 
          WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE ASK THAT YOU UPHOLD THE UNANIMOUS GRANT OF THIS VARIANCE BY YOUR
PONTEVEDRA ZONING BOARD, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU SIR. 
          [03:05:03]
ALL RIGHT, BACK TO THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS,
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MR. WHITEHOUSE, I THOUGHT MISS DOLVIN RAISED AN INTERESTING POINT. 
          YOU RECEIVED A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FROM PVSA. 
          BUT. BUT IT WAS NOT AN ENTHUSIASTIC, UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION. 
          WERE THERE CONDITIONS? AND HAS YOUR HAS YOUR CLIENT THE APPLICANT MET THOSE CONDITIONS? YES, SIR. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REFER TO. 
          PROBABLY NOT. I DID NOT SEE IT VERY WELL. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS,
IS THAT THE POINT WAS THE FACTS LEAD TO AN APPROPRIATE GRANT OF THIS VARIANCE UNANIMOUSLY. BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY LIVE IN THE AREA. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE VIEWED THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING BOARD BEFORE,
AND I'VE BEEN BEFORE THE PONTE DI PONTE VEDRA ZONING BOARD. 
          WE ALL TRY TO MEET THE DISCUSSIONS, I WON'T SAY COMPLAINTS OF CITIZENS THAT COME IN ON ANY
ISSUE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. 
          AND PART OF THESE ISSUES, THE SAME ONES THAT WERE EXPRESSED TODAY,
WERE EXPRESSED TO THEM AND THAT SORT OF THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WERE APPLIED. 
          AND AS I SAID, I LEFT THEM UP ON SCREEN. BUT TO HAVE THESE DRAINS INCLUDED,
TO HAVE DOWNSPOUTS AROUND THE WHOLE HOUSE WERE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, EVEN THOUGH NOT REQUIRED TO MEET IT BY YOUR ENGINEERS TESTIMONY THAT THE APPLICANT SAID,
YES, WE WILL MEET THOSE IN THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING BOARD. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY RARE YOU GET A UNANIMOUS DECISION WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION FOR
APPROVAL. 
          AND SO THEY HAVE. YES, SIR. I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE FROM MR. DEVLIN. HAS THERE BEEN ANY FLOODING RIGHT NOW? THE HOUSE IS THERE, RIGHT? YES. THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY. 
          IS THERE ANY FLOODING? YES. THE FLOODING IS AN ISSUE THERE. 
          WHEN WE HAD HEAVY RAIN LAST YEAR WE, I MEAN,
WE HAD ABOUT THREE INCHES, FOUR INCHES OF WATER IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          WELL, BUT FROM THAT HOUSE, DO WE KNOW? BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE HOUSES BEHIND YOU. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S UP AT ABOUT A THREE. IT'S ABOUT TWO FEET UP ABOVE US. 
          AND SO EVERYTHING TRICKLES DOWN. SO IT CAME ON TO OUR HOUSE FROM. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE IT CAN COME FROM. IT WENT TO THE MONTOYA'S HOUSE AND NEXT TO THEM IT
WENT TO THE BISHOP'S HOUSE. 
          I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE HARD TO TO TRACK,
BUT I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU USE A LOT OF WORDS CALLED POSSIBLE FLOODING. 
          I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW. AND I THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT ALL THOSE THINGS ON THE HOUSE
SO THAT IT DOESN'T FLOOD. 
          CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. I MEAN, I CAN I MEAN,
I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LOT THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO KIND OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 
          BUT IT IS AN ODD SHAPED LOT. SO I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE ON THIS. 
          AND SO IF THEY HAD IF IT WAS NOT AN ODD SHAPED LOT,
THEY HAVE A TEN FOOT SETBACK IN THE BACK BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT'S A 7.5. SO MOST OF THE PERMEABILITY IS IN THE FRONT. 
          THAT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT US. THE WATER ISSUES IN THE BACK. 
          WELL, I MEAN I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY MADE THEIR POOL SMALLER AND THEY DIDN'T DO THE
OTHER VARIANTS. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S KIND OF A MIDDLE GROUND FOR THIS, BUT ANY OTHER ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY PLN A PL E 2020 405 500 MORNING STAR
DRIVE, UPHOLDING THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND APPROVING P V Z VR 2020 402,
BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AND FIVE CONDITIONS. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO UNANIMOUSLY. 
          ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE QUASI JUDICIAL. LET'S SEE WHAT TIME IT IS. 
          I KNOW THE FOOD TRUCKS. 1230. SO IS THIS ENOUGH TIME FOR NUMBER FOUR? ANY COMMENTS ON THE BOARD? FROM THE BOARD. OKAY. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD WITH AGENDA ITEM FOUR. AND I THINK THERE'S QUASI JUDICIAL COMMISSIONER
WHITEHURST. 
          [4. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2024-08 Ponte Vedra Lakes Boutique PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the T.B.D of Ponte Vedra Planned Special Development (ORD. 1998-34) to incorporate the property into the Ponte Vedra Lakes Boutique Planned Unit Development (ORD. 2019-78) to allow for a unified design. The subject property is located west of A1A N and south of Marlin Ave, specifically located between 170 and 190 A1A N. At the regularly scheduled public hearing of the Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board (PVZAB) on December 2, 2024, the Board recommended approval with a vote of 4-0; member in support (Patton, Crozier, Pirgousis and Nickerson).]
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I MET ON JANUARY 28TH WITH MR. BURNETT HERE IN THE OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE SITE LOCATION. 
          WE DISCUSSED THE OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS,
AND WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S DOING TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEIGHBORS WITH THE BUFFER. COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. YES. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR. 
          I HAD A MEETING AS WELL WITH DOUG BURNETT ON JANUARY 28TH HERE IN THE OFFICE. 
          WE DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC, WE DISCUSSED THE OVERLAY DISTRICT,
AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          [03:10:03]
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. I GUESS I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETT AND STAFF ON JANUARY 30TH,
AND DISCUSSED THE THINGS THAT WERE JUST BROUGHT UP. 
          COMMISSIONER MURPHY. I ALSO MET WITH DOUG BURNETT,
THE APPLICANT, AND THE STAFF, ON JANUARY 30TH AND DISCUSSED THOSE SAME ISSUES. 
          I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETT AND COUNTY STAFF ON JANUARY 30TH,
2025, AND NO EMAILS. 
          AND THERE IS A RED FOLDER ON THIS THAT I'M SURE YOU'LL DISCUSS. 
          THANK YOU. THANKS. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M GOING TO TALK FAST AND GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION FAST. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE REWARDED. AS FOR THE RED ITEM ISSUE,
I WILL COVER THAT IN MY PRESENTATION. 
          JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE MDP MAP WAS CHANGED AFTER PVC,
BUT BEFORE PVS AND PVS REVIEWED WHAT THE RED FOLDER ITEM IS. IT'S IN MY PRESENTATION, SO I KNOW THAT WHEN YOUR STAFF REPORT GOT PREPARED,
THE WRONG MAP GOT IN THERE. 
          THERE'S A MINOR CHANGE. WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT IS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BRUNET. SAINT JOHN'S LAW GROUP,
104 SEAGROVE MAIN STREET, HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. JUST TO ORIENTATE YOU TO THE SITE,
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH EAST PART OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. 
          THIS IS THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE GATE GAS STATION WAS ON A-1-A PREVIOUSLY. 
          IT'S SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN TORN DOWN AND RELOCATED DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS AREA. 
          THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SHOWN THERE IN BLUE. 
          TAKE A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THE SITE. THERE'S WHERE THE GATE GAS STATION WAS PREVIOUSLY. 
          THERE'S WHERE THE CHASE BANK SITE IS CURRENTLY LOCATED. 
          IN THAT CHASE BANK WAS A PLASTIC SURGEON CONTURA THAT'S BEEN REPLACED WITH INGLE AND
VULGAR. 
          SO IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE RECENTLY, THAT'S WHAT'S THERE. 
          TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS AMERICA'S CHOICE REALTY. 
          TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS THE OLD KAMADA BUILDING. 
          I'M STILL USING THEIR LOGO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE IDENTIFY THAT BUILDING AS
TODAY. 
          IT'S FIRST COAST AUDIOLOGY. FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE THE FOUR SITES OF THE KAMADA
BUILDING, AMERICA'S CHOICE AND THE TWO THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY REALLY LINE UP. 
          THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. THIS IS HOW THEY LAY OUT EXISTING AMERICA'S CHOICE
TITLE. 
          EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THE EXISTING PONTE VEDRA LAKES BOUTIQUE PUD. 
          AND THEN THE OLD CBD OF PONTE VEDRA. PLANNED SPECIAL DISTRICT. 
          PLANNED SPECIAL DISTRICT WAS A PREDECESSOR OF THE PUD NOMENCLATURE. 
          INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, TBD, YOU THINK IS TO BE DETERMINED. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY THOMPSON, BARTLETT AND DEAL, THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME,
WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY BACK AT THAT TIME. 
          WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TAKE THOSE TWO SITES AND COMBINE THEM,
WHICH WOULD ALIGN THE BUILDINGS. 
          SO THERE'S POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY MAKES IT ALL SORT OF LINE UP AND LOOK PROBABLY MORE
ESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO SHOW YOU. 
          THIS IS THE PUD TEXT FROM 2019 FOR THE PONTE VEDRA LAKES BOUTIQUE PUD. 
          IT'S GOT SOME OBVIOUSLY, A LIST OF PERMITTED USES,
BUT IT HAS A VERY SPECIFICALLY DEFINED PROHIBITED USES. 
          AND WE CARRIED THAT OVER INTO OUR PROJECT. THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. 
          NO CHANGE TO THE TO THE PROHIBITED USES. SOME OF THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. 
          WE WORK THROUGH THESE WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS BACK IN THE 2019 TIME PERIOD,
REALLY TO CONTROL THE USES THAT MAY GO ON THIS SITE THAT CONTINUES UNCHANGED. SO NO RESTAURANTS, NO SERVICE STATIONS,
NO CONVENIENCE STORES, VETERINARY CLINICS, NO BARKING DOGS. ADULT USES THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY ARE OFFENSIVE TO THE RESIDENTS ARE
REALLY HIGH TRIP GENERATORS ARE ARE OUT. 
          ONE THING THAT'S WORTH NOTE IN 2019, WHEN THIS WENT TO THE BCC,
WE HAD A PVC VOTE OF FOUR ZERO. 
          WE HAD A VOTE OF FOUR ZERO, AND WE HAD A BCC VOTE OF 5 TO 0 FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO THIS IS ONE THAT KNOCK ON WOOD, WE GET THROUGH TODAY,
MAYBE ONE THAT'S BEEN SMOOTH SAILING ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 
          HERE'S THE SITE AS IT WOULD EXIST TODAY. THE PLANNED SPECIAL DISTRICT ON THE LEFT AND THE
BOUTIQUE PUD ON THE RIGHT. 
          NO REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR OPPORTUNITY FOR CONNECTIVITY AND OF COURSE,
NO REAL OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO FOR CONNECTIVITY FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. 
          OUR SITE WOULD OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY. 
          YOU ALSO NOTICE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MISSING IS THERE'S NO DUMPSTER ON THE SITE. 
          SO ONCE YOU GET TO TWO USES THAT ARE OF THIS SIZE,
YOU PROBABLY WANT A DUMPSTER. 
          IT JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. ANOTHER THING IS YOU HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS ON A-1-A. 
          AND NOW WE GO TO ONE ACCESS POINT ON A-1-A. SO OVERALL,
FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT'S JUST A MUCH BETTER PROJECT. 
          IF I TAKE AND PUT THIS TO AN AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUILDING WOULD ALIGN WITH THE
OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT POTENTIAL FOR CONNECTIVITY TO THE NORTH AND THE POTENTIAL FOR
CONNECTIVITY TO THE SOUTH. 
          [03:15:04]
OUR ACCESS POINT, IMPORTANTLY, IS NOT JUST THAT THERE'S NOT TWO ACCESS POINTS,
THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT. 
          IT ALSO TAKES THAT ACCESS POINT OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING RIGHT DECEL LANE THAT CURRENTLY
SERVES THE CHASE BANK SITE. 
          SO NO CONFLICT IN ACCESS. IT ALL WORKS MUCH BETTER WITH THIS LAYOUT. 
          IF WE'RE LOOKING FROM GROUND LEVEL. JUST SO I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS SITE,
BUT I'LL JUST SHOW YOU GROUND LEVEL PHOTO. 
          YOU CAN SEE FIRST COAST AUDIOLOGY BUILDING ON THE RIGHT. 
          AMERICA'S CHOICE TITLE ON THE LEFT. LOOKING TOWARDS THE SOUTH AGAIN. 
          AMERICA'S CHOICE TITLE ON THE RIGHT. AND THEN OUR SITE TO THE LEFT. 
          THERE AND LOOKING FROM THE SOUTH NEXT TO CHASE BANK,
YOU CAN SEE, IN FACT, THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE PORTION THERE OF CHASE BANK. 
          AND THEN OUR SITE THERE, THAT'S KIND OF WOODED. 
          ONE THING, THIS IS OUR OVERALL MDP MAP. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUS. 
          I'LL SHOW YOU THE CHANGE REAL QUICK OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH. 
          ACTUALLY, LET ME HOLD OFF ON THAT THOUGHT. THIS IS THE BUILDING. 
          ONE THING THAT'S IN THERE IS THE BUILDING EXCEEDS THE SITE LIMITATIONS FOR PONTE VEDRA. 
          SO KNOWING WE WERE GOING TO BE HERE, WE FIGURED LET'S START WITH PVC. 
          PVC IS NOT REQUIRED, BUT WE STARTED WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE TO SEE WHAT
THEIR THOUGHTS WERE ON THIS. 
          WE SHOWED THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS ALL ONE BUILDING,
BUT OBVIOUSLY IT LOOKS LIKE THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS. 
          AND THE FUNNY OBSERVATION WE GOT FROM PVC IS A COUPLE OF MEMBERS DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT
WAS ALL ONE BUILDING UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY POINT IT OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE KNOW WHAT ONE BUILDING MAYBE DOESN'T LOOK APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURE. 
          SO WE KNOW WE'RE NOT COMING BACK WITH THIS KIND OF DESIGN. WE KNOW THIS IS THE KIND OF
PONTE VEDRA STANDARD PONTE VEDRA STANDARD. 
          SO MIKE KOPPENHÖFER WAS HIRED TO BE A PART OF THE TEAM TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE
YOU THAT DIFFERENCE IN ARCHITECTURE. 
          WE SHOWED THIS TO PVC. THEY GAVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON THE DESIGN. 
          AND SO BEFORE WE WENT TO AB, WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE DESIGN. 
          I'LL SHOW YOU THAT REAL QUICK. PVC WE WERE THERE ON A WORKSHOP,
GAVE THEM PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PRESENTATION OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS IN FAVOR, A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH PONTE VEDRA. 
          MR. TIBBETTS, HE AND HIS BROTHER OWNED THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH,
WHERE AMERICA'S CHOICE TITLE IS. 
          MR. TIBBETTS, IN FACT, IS HERE TODAY. QUESTIONED. 
          HE SAID BASICALLY HE'S 95, 98% IN SUPPORT QUESTIONED THE NEED FOR THE WAIVER ON THE NORTH
SETBACK. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY SWAPPED THIS. IF YOU LOOK IN THIS DRAWING,
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL MDP, YOU CAN SEE THE DUMPSTER STAYS WHERE IT'S AT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BIKE RACK ON THE LEFT AND WHERE THE BIKE RACK IS ALONG THE BUILDING
IMMEDIATELY TO THE DUMPSTER. 
          IF WE SWITCH THAT TO THE NORTH, WE CAN SHIFT THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY DON'T NEED A TEN FOOT SETBACK WAIVER ON THE NORTH. 
          WE CAN MOVE IT TO TEN FEET. EXCUSE ME. MOVE IT TO 20FT JUST BY MOVING THE BIKE RACK. 
          SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE SUBSEQUENT TO PVC AND CHANGED THE LANGUAGE IN OUR TEXT TO OUTLINE
THAT. 
          THAT'S WHERE IT WAS. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS DRAWING NOW WE'VE GOT A 20 FOOT SETBACK TO
THE BUILDING. WE'VE GOT THE BIKE RACK RELOCATED TO THE NORTH. 
          AND IT WORKS FOR OUR SITE, WORKS TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERN. 
          AND THEN I'LL JUST SHOW YOU. IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE SPACE IN BETWEEN HERE AND MAKES
THE SPACING MORE LIKE WHAT'S AT AMERICA'S CHOICE TITLE BY MOVING OUR BUILDING OVER. 
          ALSO, BEFORE WE WENT TO PVC, WE WERE ABLE TO GET MR. HAFER TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF PVC BEFORE PVC,
AB, AB SAW THIS DRAWING. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S SOME GOOD ATTENUATION IN THE BUILDING IN THAT FRONT FACADE
TO GET TO THAT MORGAN STANLEY TYPE OF STANDARD. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE ALSO IN THE ROOF LINE THAT WAS CHANGED FROM THAT ORIGINAL DRAWING. 
          I SHOWED YOU THE BLACK AND WHITE. AND THEN ALSO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU PUT SOME
TREES TO IT. 
          AB DECEMBER 2ND SHOWED HIM PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING WITH THE UPDATED MAP. 
          AND ALSO A QUESTION CAME UP DURING THAT PRESENTATION RELATED TO ENHANCED BUFFER. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, I COULDN'T POINT THE LANGUAGE OUT,
BUT ONE OF YOUR AB MEMBERS SAID, HEY DOUG, THAT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY IN THERE. IT'S ON THE SECTION AND PAGE. SO IT WAS KIND OF GREAT BECAUSE I MISSED THAT TO KNOW WHERE IT WAS
ACTUALLY IN THE TEXT, BUT THEY POINTED IT OUT TO ME, WHICH WAS GREAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR TREES TEN
FEET ON CENTER. 
          NOW, I'VE MADE SURE THAT LANGUAGE IS SUPER HIGHLIGHTED FOR OUR FINAL VERSION. 
          THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. BUT TO SHOW YOU THAT STANDARD ON UNANIMOUS IN FAVOR OF PIAZZA,
I'LL SHOW YOU THAT STANDARD IN JUST A MOMENT. MR. TIBBETS, NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER,
HAD NO OBJECTIONS. 
          DURING THAT HEARING, AGAIN, MOVING THE BUILDING A LITTLE CLOSER. 
          LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND WHAT THIS ENHANCED LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE. 
          YOUR TYPICAL LANDSCAPE STANDARD WOULD BE AT 281FT,
20FT ON CENTER. 
          YOU'D HAVE ABOUT 14 TREES ON THIS BACK SIDE BY DOUBLING IT,
PUTTING THEM AT TEN FEET ON CENTER. 
          YOU HAVE ABOUT 28 TREES, SO YOU REALLY FILL IN THE GAP. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE DO THAT ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH AS WELL. 
          [03:20:04]
THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE,
A HOLLY TREE CAN LOOK LIKE PLANTED AT THAT STANDARD IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 
          THE THICKNESS OF IT, THE THE STRENGTH OF THE BUFFER THAT'S CREATED. 
          SO AND THEN ONE THING IN MEETING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS,
ONE COMMENT CAME UP ABOUT NATIVE TREES. 
          I THINK IT'S ALREADY IN YOUR CODE THAT IT'D BE NATIVE TREES,
I THINK IN YOUR CODE. 
          THERE'S LANGUAGE ABOUT WHAT THOSE TREES WOULD BE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE GOT,
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE MANGROVES HERE, BUT PINE TREES, WE CAN ELIMINATE THE FACT THAT WE WOULD ALLOW PINE TREES AS PART OF OUR BUFFER. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD THINK WOULD BE A GOOD BUFFER ANYWAYS,
BUT JUST FIGURED I'D POINT THAT OUT. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST TO SHOW YOU, IT SPELLS OUT THERE'S OUR BIKE RACK,
THERE'S OUR 20 FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTH. 
          YOU CAN SEE HOW POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY COULD WORK TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE NORTH. 
          AND WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SOUTH AND MAYBE HERE AFTERWARDS IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH
THE NORTH NEIGHBOR, TO CREATE INTERCONNECTIVITY THERE. AND WITH THAT,
I'LL BE QUIET AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          MADAM CHAIR, IF I MIGHT POINT ONE THING OUT TO BECAUSE I MADE THIS COMMITMENT,
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I COVERED EVERYTHING. THERE'S ONE ITEM THAT I FORGOT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS RELATES TO RESIDENTS. AND WHY MAYBE THERE'S NOT FOLKS
HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DID IT HERE. THE PUD STILL CALLS OUT FOR THE FACT THAT ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS,
THE MINIMUM PLATE HEIGHT OF A WINDOW WOULD BE SIX FEET. 
          SO THAT LOOKING OUT THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING,
WE'VE KEPT THE BUILDING AT ONE STORY, LOOKING OUT THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH A SIX FOOT WINDOW. THAT BASICALLY MEANS IT WOULD ONLY BE TRANSOMS. SO STANDING INSIDE AN OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULDN'T LOOK OUT AND SEE THE NEIGHBOR'S
BACKYARD BECAUSE THE WIND IS HIGHER THAN SIX FEET. 
          SO, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING ALSO WHEN I MET WITH YOU ABOUT THE LIGHTING NOT
GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          YES. AND THAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR CODE. AND IN FACT,
I THINK IT'S ONE STEP FURTHER IN THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. 
          SO YEAH. ANY COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 5-2
APPROVING M A J MOD 2020 408 PONTE VEDRA LAKES BOUTIQUE PUD BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS
PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. 
          AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY FIVE ZERO. AND BEFORE 1230. 
          SO LET'S BREAK FOR LUNCH UNTIL ABOUT 110. AND DON'T FORGET,
THERE'S THE FOOD TRUCK OUT THERE. 
          THANK YOU. OH. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK. HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A NICE LUNCH. 
          COREY. YAY! AGENDA FIVE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR. 
          [5. Purchase and Sale Agreement for Acquisition of land located on Bishop Estates Road. The Land Acquisition and Management Program (“LAMP”) Ordinance 2021-38 requires the LAMP Conservation Board to annually submit a ranking List of the top five properties for consideration by the Board of County Commissioners. On March 5, 2024, the Board approved the Ranking List submitted by the LAMP Conservation Board and directed staff to initiate purchase negotiations with the owners of the properties on the ranked list, including the subject property. The owner of Lot 26, Bishop Estates, Unit 1 has executed a Purchase and Sale Agreement for fee simple ownership of approximately 1.27 acres of property. The average appraised value of the property is $1,125,000. Seller is donating a portion of the appraised value. The agreed upon price is $925,000. The requested transfer of funds includes estimated closing costs, totaling $955,000. The owner of Lot 27, Bishop Estates, Unit 1 has executed a Purchase and Sale Agreement for fee simple ownership of approximately 1.51 acres of property. The average appraised value of the property is $1,252,500. The agreed to purchase price of the property is $1,250,000. The requested transfer of funds includes estimated closing costs, totaling $1,300,000.]
GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSION. COREY BONES, LAND MANAGEMENT,
HERE TO PRESENT AGENDA ITEM FIVE, THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT FOR BISHOP ESTATES ROAD PROPERTIES. 
          IN ADDITION TO THIS PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT,
I ALSO HAVE STAFF FROM ENVIRONMENTAL AND PARKS AND REC TO HELP GIVE A COMPLETE OVERVIEW OF THE COUNTY'S EFFORTS TO PUT THIS INTO CONSERVATION. 
          SOME KEY POINTS. THIS PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT BACK IN MARCH OF 2024,
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVED THE LAND ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM BOARD RANKING LIST AND DIRECTED STAFF TO INITIATE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED OFF OF BISHOP ESTATES ROAD,
AS YOU SEE IN THE ILLUSTRATION. 
          THIS PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WILL PERTAIN TO THESE TWO LOTS. 
          LOTS 26 AND 27. AND IT'S ALSO LAMP'S SECOND RANKED PROPERTIES. 
          THE TOTAL PURCHASE PRICE IS 2.175 MILLION, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE OF THE APPRAISALS FOR THE
TWO LOTS. 
          AS YOU SEE THERE IN THE ILLUSTRATION LOT 27,
IF YOU NOTICE THE SLIGHT DISCREPANCY, THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A GUEST HOUSE. 
          THAT'S WHY THAT PRICE IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO LOTS. 
          UPON APPROVAL. THINKS THAT STAFF WILL PROCEED WITH A 90 DAY DUE DILIGENCE AND INSPECTION
PERIOD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SUITABLE FOR COUNTY COUNTY NEEDS AND INTENDED USE. 
          AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO PITCH IT OFF TO ENVIRONMENTAL TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF
BACKGROUND. 
          AND THEN AFTERWARDS THERE'LL BE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER. 
          [03:25:06]
ALL RIGHT. THANKS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MIKE LAGASSE,
ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. 
          THIS IMAGE HERE KIND OF GIVES YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE OVERALL AREA UP
OFF OF JULINGTON CREEK. 
          ZOOMING IN A LITTLE, YOU KIND OF SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OF KIND OF WHERE THE WHERE
THE PROPERTY SITS. 
          THERE WE GO. THE THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IN TOGETHER WITH THE TWO PARTS,
NORTH AND SOUTH ROAD THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED. 
          THE SOUTHERN PROJECT IS BEING UNDERTAKEN BY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION,
ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THROUGH THE STATE'S RURAL FAMILY LANDS. AND SO WE'RE FOCUSING ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES
HERE. 
          AS FAR AS THE LAMP KIND OF VALUES AND, AND CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY,
IT REALLY IS BASED OFF OF A NATURAL, RESOURCE BASED AND OUTDOOR RECREATION POTENTIAL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AND OTHER
RELATED ACTIVITIES. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE RECOMMENDED THE PROPERTY IN FEBRUARY. 
          AGAIN, YOU GUYS DID IT IN MARCH. AND THIS PROPERTY,
WHEN IT WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR, IT WAS THE NUMBER TWO PROJECT ON THE LAMP LIST. 
          THIS IS FROM 2024 COMING UP IN MARCH. YOU'LL SEE THEIR NEW RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT STAYS AS
NUMBER TWO ON THAT LIST. 
          PROCEEDING. WE WILL IF WE ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY BASED ON YOUR APPROVAL,
THE OTHER PROPERTY WILL PROBABLY STAY ON THE LAMP LIST TO HELP WITH THE ACQUISITION. AS FAR AS BEING ON OUR LIST CAN GIVE KIND OF POINTS FOR GRANTS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT. 
          SO. THAT WASN'T INTENTIONAL. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LAMP SIDE OF THIS ACQUISITION? YES. COULD I ASK, YOU KNOW, ON THE ON THE PICTURE,
YOU HAD THAT BIG AREA. 
          SO WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THAT? ACROSS FROM THE TWO LOTS. 
          AND THEN WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT A LITTLE BAY AREA OR WHAT IS THAT LITTLE YOU IN THE TOP
RIGHT. 
          SO WE BELIEVE THAT LITTLE YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN CUT OUT PREVIOUSLY BY A PREVIOUS PROPERTY
OWNER THAT WOULD ALLOW US KIND OF A CALM WATER BOAT ACCESS. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY COMMON THING TO HAVE DONE ON THE RIVER. MAYBE BACK IN THE DAYS BEFORE SOME
REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          AND THEN YOUR OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. YEAH,
ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE FULL FATE OF IT, BUT I DO KNOW FROM SPEAKING WITH THE NORTH SHORE LAND
TRUST, WHO WAS KIND OF SPEARHEADING THAT PROJECT FOR THE BAILEYS,
THAT IT HAS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT POTENTIAL. 
          SO A LESS THAN FEE ACQUISITION. AND THEN THEY MAY CONSIDER OPERATING SOMETHING LIKE A
CONTINUING TO OPERATE LIKE A HORSE THERAPY TYPE OF ACTIVITY AND OTHER OUTDOOR CONSERVATION RELATED ACTIVITIES. OKAY. 
          THANKS. I WAS WONDERING, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT? AND I SEE RYAN STANDING RIGHT THERE. RYAN CAIN RIGHT HERE. 
          OKAY, SURE. SO, RYAN CAIN, YOUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION THROUGH THE CHAIR,
JUST QUICKLY REVIEW WHY? IT CAME ACROSS AS A PRIORITY THROUGH THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND WHAT WOULD BE POTENTIAL
FUTURE USES? WATERWAY ACCESS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, AND THE COUNTY WATERWAY ACCESS MASTER PLAN AS A NEED AS IDENTIFIED HERE. 
          ALSO ON THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE OUR CLOSEST WATERWAY ACCESS POINTS. 
          SO THE YELLOW DOT IS THE THE LAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ACQUIRING TODAY. 
          AND THE CLOSEST SPOT WOULD BE TROUT CREEK PARK WHICH IS 14 MILES AWAY FOR WATERWAY ACCESS
FOR FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS, FOR PUBLIC ACCESS. THE COUNTY WOULD LOOK AT TO DO OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION,
PASSIVE RECREATION ELEMENTS SUCH AS FLOATING DOCK FOR FISHING PAVILION AND ADA KAYAK LAUNCH, AND POTENTIAL FOR NATURE ENVIRONMENTAL
PROGRAMING. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SHOULD WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IF THAT'S. 
          IS THAT YOUR END OF YOUR PRESENTATION? YES. OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER MURPHY. PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. WE'LL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER FOUR. 
          NICOLE CROSBIE 1169 NECK ROAD. THIS LOOKS LIKE A REALLY GOOD POSSIBILITY. 
          IT'S IN A GREAT LOCATION IN A VERY HIGHLY POPULATED AREA OF THE COUNTY,
SO IT WILL BENEFIT A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE HOUSE, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT HOUSES COST MONEY TO
MAINTAIN. 
          DOES THAT MAINTENANCE COST COME OUT OF LAMP? I'M WONDERING. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT IS GOING TO COME FROM. I HEARD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO
EDUCATION, SO I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE INSIDE THE HOUSE. SO THAT IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT THING FOR LAMP. 
          [03:30:02]
SO I MEAN I LIKE THE IDEA OF THERE BEING A BUILDING THERE,
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH COULD GET TO BE COSTLY. IT'S WONDERFUL THAT IT'S WATERFRONT. 
          IT'S WONDERFUL THAT IT HAS SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET THAT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS POTENTIAL
FOR CONSERVATION. 
          I THOUGHT IT SAID 70 ACRES. MAYBE I MISREAD THAT. 
          WAS THAT A MISTAKE? 70 ACRES? OH, THE BIGGER PART. 
          OKAY, I DIDN'T DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. 
          SO I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT ACQUISITION. 
          THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE BUILDING THAT IS THERE RIGHT
NOW, I THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I'M BETH TATE FOR 41 EAST KESLEY LANE. PROBABLY THE ONE CLOSEST TO THAT PROPERTY. 
          SINCE LITERALLY IS A HALF A MILE FROM MY HOUSE. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERING ACQUIRING THIS PROPERTY AND
MAINTAINING THE PRISTINE AREA THAT IT'S IN. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT BACK TO THE BOARD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THOSE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? RYAN. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          I WOULD MOST COMPARE THIS TO THE PARCEL THAT WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND HAVE THE HOUSE
THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THE COUNTY EVALUATED THE PARCEL TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN GOOD STANDING,
ENDING, IT WAS WORTHWHILE INVESTMENT TO TO KEEP ON HOLD FOR. 
          WE INVESTED SOME DOLLARS THROUGH THE PARKS OPERATION BUDGET AND IT IS MAINTAINED THROUGH
THE PARKS OPERATION BUDGET RIGHT NOW. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION WHEN YOU'RE READY,
PLEASE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2025, DASH 44, APPROVING THE TERMS AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR,
OR DESIGNEE, TO EXECUTE TWO PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENTS FOR ACQUISITION OF LOTS 26 AND 27 BISHOP ESTATES UNIT, UNIT ONE, LOCATED ON BISHOP ESTATES ROAD,
AND APPROVING A TRANSFER OF LAMP RESERVES UP TO $955,000 FOR THE PURCHASE OF LOT 26 AND APPROVING A TRANSFER OF LAMP RESERVES UP TO
$1,300,000 FOR THE PURCHASE OF LOT 27. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY FIVE ZERO. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU GUYS. 
          ON TO SIX. SARAH MAXFIELD. 
          [6. Interlocal Agreement - St. Johns County Community Redevelopment Agency and Flagler Estates Road and Water Control District. The condition of certain roadways within the boundary of the Flagler Estates Community Redevelopment Area (“Flagler Estates CRA”) have deteriorated significantly and are either in poor condition or unimproved, consisting mostly of dirt surfaces. Flagler Estates Road and Water Control District, an independent special taxing district, duly organized and existing under the provisions of Chapter 98-528, Laws of Florida, and Chapter 298, Florida Statutes, as amended, has determined to undertake a capital project consisting of the purchase and application of asphalt millings to improve portions of Flagler Estates Boulevard and other roads within the District and the boundary of Flagler Estates CRA (the "Project"), and has requested the assistance of the St. Johns County Community Redevelopment Agency in financing the Project. The need to improve these roads is critical to the economic enhancement and overall development of the Flagler Estates CRA and is consistent with the approved Community Redevelopment Plan. In June of 2024, the Flagler Estates CRA Steering Committee voted to request support from the Community Redevelopment Agency to use Tax Increment Financing (TIF) funds from the Flagler Estates Trust Fund to assist in the Project. In the Fiscal Year 2025 budget, the Board of Commissioners and the Redevelopment Agency approved an allocation in the amount of $151,000 in TIF funds for the Project.]
GOOD AFTERNOON. I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO. DO WE RECESS AND CONVENE? YES. WE WILL RECESS FROM THE MEETING AND GO TO RECESS. 
          AND NOW WE'RE OPENING THE CRA FOR FLAGLER ESTATES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND THE REST OF THE CRA BOARD. 
          MY NAME IS SARAH MAXFIELD. I'M BRINGING FORWARD THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN SAINT
JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THE FLAGLER ESTATES WATER AND WATER CONTROL DISTRICT. THERE ARE CERTAIN ROADWAYS WITHIN FLAGLER ESTATES COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT ARE IN POOR OR UNIMPROVED CONDITION. 
          THE FLAGLER ESTATES ROAD AND WATER CONTROL DISTRICT IS AN INDEPENDENT SPECIAL TAXING
DISTRICT AND IS UNDERTAKING A CAPITAL PROJECT TO PURCHASE AND APPLY ASPHALT MILLINGS TO IMPROVE PORTIONS OF FLAGLER ESTATES, ROADS AND OTHER ROADS WITHIN THE FLAGLER ESTATES CRA
DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS DEFINED AS THE PROJECT. THE TAXING DISTRICT HAS REQUESTED ASSISTANCE FROM THE
SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CRA IN FINANCING THIS PROJECT. 
          THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE CRITICAL TO THE FLAGLER ESTATES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE
CRA. 
          THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED REDEVELOPMENT PLAN,
AND THE FLAGLER ESTATES CRA COMMITTEE VOTED TO REQUEST SUPPORT FROM THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY CRA UTILIZING THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING FUNDS FROM THE FLAGLER ESTATES TRUST FUND. 
          IN FISCAL YEAR 2025. BUDGET, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE BOARD OF THE
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY APPROVED AN ALLOCATION IN THE AMOUNT OF AMOUNT OF $151,000 FOR THIS PROJECT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? BACK TO THE BOARD. NOPE. SHOULD WE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'LL NOW OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION OR QUESTIONS. 
          [03:35:05]
I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO ADOPT CRA RESOLUTION 2020 5-1. 
          APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE CHAIR OF THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY TO
EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND FLAGLER ESTATES ROAD AND WATER CONTROL DISTRICT IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM
AS ATTACHED HERETO. 
          SECOND. WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. 
          THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. FIVE ZERO. AND I WILL,
MADAM CHAIR. 
          YES, SIR. BEFORE YOU DO THAT, IF YOU ALLOW ME,
COMMISSIONER MURPHY. 
          SINCE WE'RE CONVENING AS THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY TO DISCUSS THE FLAGLER STREET
CRA, THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET FOR THE FLAGLER STREET CRA ALSO INCLUDED APPROPRIATIONS FOR ROADWAY
LIGHTING INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I ATTENDED THE JANUARY FLAGLER ESTATES ROAD AND WATER DISTRICT MEETING WHERE THE DISTRICT
WAS CONSIDERING THAT LIGHTING INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THE DISTRICT'S CONCERNS IS THE RECURRING UTILITY COSTS,
ESTIMATED AT ABOUT $6,000 A YEAR. 
          THE DISTRICT EXPRESSED THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FUNDING MECHANISM TO ADDRESS THE UTILITY
COST. 
          IN SPEAKING WITH STAFF, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FLAGLER COUNTY CRA FUND COULD SUPPORT THE
THE UTILITY COSTS IN THE SHORT RUN, AT LEAST UNTIL THEY EXPIRE IN 2032. AND I WOULD LIKE TO OBTAIN CONSENSUS FROM THE CRA TO
DIRECT STAFF TO PRESENT THE UTILITY COST FUNDING OPTION TO THE DISTRICT, AND IF THE DISTRICT IS AGREEABLE, TO BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          SECONDED. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NOW, I WILL CLOSE THIS HEARING AND REOPEN THE BOARD
OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING. GOING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          JOANNE SPENCER. GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONERS. 
          [7. Consider appointment of a St. Johns County Municipality member to the Northeast Florida Regional Council (NEFRC). Due to the recent departure of City of St. Augustine Commissioner Roxanne Horvath, there is now a vacant municipal seat on the NEFRC. According to F.S. 163.01 Florida Interlocal Cooperation Act of 1969, the governing board of St. Johns County must appoint a member from either the City of St. Augustine: Nancy Sikes-Kline, Barbara Blonder, Cynthia Garris, Jim Springfield, and Jon DePreter or the City of St. Augustine Beach; Dylan Rumrell, Beth Sweeny, Don Samora, Undine George and Virginia Morgan.]
JOANNE SPENCER, SENIOR ASSISTANT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M HERE TODAY WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 163 .01, THE FLORIDA INTERLOCAL COOPERATION ACT OF
1969. 
          I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TO APPOINT A NFC OR NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE
MUNICIPALITY SECTOR OF OUR OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, THAT WOULD BE ANY PERSONS WITHIN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND THE CITY OF
SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. 
          THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH HAS PUT FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION VIRGINIA MORGAN,
FOR YOUR APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. JOANNE, ANY ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SHOULD WE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. WE'LL NOW ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
SEVEN. 
          SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE. PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MA'AM. I HAVE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER VIRGINIA MORGAN TO THE
NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. 
          THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. NOW WE'RE GOING TO START. COMMISSIONER REPORTS. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          [Commissioners’ Reports]
GOT A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TODAY. I THINK WE ALL TOOK A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS FROM
SHEARWATER. 
          THOSE WHO ARE NOW CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY POTENTIALLY COMING THROUGH
THEIR BACKYARD. 
          AS THE NEIGHBORS EXPRESSED TO ME, I'M SURE THEY EXPRESSED TO YOU THEY WOULD LIKE A SOUND
WALL, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR CONTROL. 
          AND I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL. 
          THEY ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A SOUND STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED BACK IN 2014. 
          SO I GUESS HERE'S MY REQUEST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS TO WRITE A LETTER REQUESTING
THAT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION RECONSIDER THEIR SOUND STUDY FROM 2014, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO,
IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING A SOUND WALL IN, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS TRY AND BE A VOICE ON BEHALF OF THE FOLKS HERE
IN SHEARWATER WHO JUST MAY HAVE BEEN GIVEN SOME BAD INFORMATION, THEY MAY HAVE MADE A BAD DECISION. I DON'T KNOW WHICH,
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE CAN HELP THEM OUT BY JUST SIMPLY MAKING A FORMAL REQUEST OF FDOT COMMISSIONER MURPHY. YEAH, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT TO THAT. 
          I SPOKE WITH JEFF FROM THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO. 
          HE SAID THAT THE TPO COULD POSSIBLY FUND THAT NOISE STUDY WITH NO COST TO THE COUNTY. 
          ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS WRITE A LETTER TO HIM REQUESTING THAT WE DO A NOISE STUDY FOR THAT
AND THAT THEY WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT. 
          CAN WE DO THAT FIRST BEFORE WE BEFORE WE GO TO THE. 
          I WOULD AMEND MY REQUEST TO REFLECT WHAT COMMISSIONER MURPHY JUST SAID. I JUST WANT TO
HELP THESE FOLKS. I THINK WE ALL DO. AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS VERY THING. 
          AND HE SAID THAT THAT THEY DO HAVE BUDGETED FUNDS. 
          ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS MAKE THE REQUEST. HE CAN'T PROMISE THAT THEY WOULD DO IT,
BUT SAVE US SOME MONEY. 
          WE CAN SEND A LETTER TO TO JEFF AT THE TPL. YES,
SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND A LETTER TO TPO REQUESTING THAT THEY CONDUCT ANOTHER
SOUND STUDY FOR OUR NEIGHBORS IN SHEARWATER. 
          [03:40:02]
THANK YOU ALL. FEBRUARY 25TH. THE MOBILE MAMMOGRAM BUS WILL BE HERE AT THE COUNTY. 
          MY MOTHER IS A BREAST CANCER SURVIVOR. IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. BUT I KNOW WE'VE
ALL BEEN TOUCHED BY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMEBODY WHO HAS SURVIVED BREAST CANCER OR HAS LIVING WITH BREAST CANCER. 
          SO THE MOBILE MAMMOGRAM BUS WILL BE ON CAMPUS HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY I GUESS ADMIN
BUILDING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IF YOU CAN. 
          AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, SOME GOOD NEWS FROM AROUND SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. 
          AND THIS COMES DIRECTLY FROM A FACEBOOK POST THAT WENT OUT FROM THE COUNTY. 
          A BIG CONGRATULATIONS TO THE SAINT JOHNS GOLF CLUB DIRECTOR WES TUCKER AND ASSISTANT GOLF
PROFESSIONAL BMR MAURICIO FOR RECEIVING THE PRESTIGIOUS AWARD FROM THE PGA OF AMERICA, NORTH FLORIDA SECTION AND NORTHERN CHAPTER. 
          WES TUCKER WAS HONORED WITH BILL STRAUSBAUGH WITH THE BILL STRAUSBAUGH AWARD FOR HIS
OUTSTANDING MENTORSHIP AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          BE MAURICIO EARNED THE PGA ASSISTANT GOLF PROFESSIONAL OF THE YEAR AWARD,
RECOGNIZING EXCEPTIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE GAME. 
          OBVIOUSLY, EVERY TIME WE HEAR ABOUT THE SAINT JOHNS GOLF CLUB OFF OF 207,
I MEAN, IT'S JUST ONE AWARD AFTER THE NEXT, BUT THESE FOLKS ARE DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB. THEY'RE BEING NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED. 
          AND AND HERE'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE. SO
CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS TO WES AND ALL THE FOLKS OUT AT THE SAINT JOHN'S GOLF COUNTRY GOLF CLUB. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY AND ALL OF
OUR STAFF, JUST A HEARTFELT THANK YOU TO SENATOR TOM LEEK,
WHO YESTERDAY FILED A BILL TO SUPPORT SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY AS THE LOCATION FOR THE FLORIDA BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM. YEAH, BIG WIN FOR US. SO WE'RE VERY,
VERY, VERY GRATEFUL FOR HIS SUPPORT. 
          SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. 
          YES, I HAD A QUESTION. FROM THIS MORNING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. FROM THIS MORNING WHEN BEN GRIGGS SPOKE ABOUT THE INTERACTIVE MAP DOES ANYBODY ON
STAFF, LIKE, DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT WENT? IT'S NOT AVAILABLE NOW ONLINE. 
          AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE WHERE THAT MAP DID GO. 
          MIKE ROBERTSON, DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT,
THROUGH THE CHAIR. THAT MAP WAS POSTED BY THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO, ERRONEOUSLY NOT THROUGH THE COUNTY. SO JUST TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          ON THAT SAME DAY WHERE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, THE TPO DID WRITE A LETTER AND APOLOGIZED AND
BASICALLY SAID THAT WAS A MISTAKE. 
          WE WE DID FOLLOW UP WITH THEM AND SAID, HEY,
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU REMOVE ALL REFERENCES TO THAT FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          NOW THAT LINK THAT WAS THERE TODAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A REMNANT LINK THAT WAS
SITTING OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, STATIC, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THEY DID TELL US THAT THEY REMOVED
EVERYTHING. 
          SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          ALSO, I DID WANT TO JUST COMMENT ON AN EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED LAST NIGHT,
AND IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S FROM A MEMBER OF OUR STAFF. 
          AND IT WAS VERY IT WAS VERY CONCERNING. IT'S MADE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT THAT
MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY OR FOLLOWED UP ON APPROPRIATELY, AND THE ALLEGATIONS ARE SERIOUS ENOUGH THAT I BELIEVE THAT
THEY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY AN INDEPENDENT EXPERT WHO SPECIALIZES IN WORKPLACE POLICY AND PROCEDURES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE EVALUATED
INTERNALLY, JUST IN MY OPINION, AND OBJECTIVITY IS KEY. THE COMPLAINT IS PUBLIC RECORD SINCE IT WAS
EMAILED TO ME, AND THE STAFFER WHO SENT THE EMAIL DESCRIBED HOW ANOTHER STAFFER WHO REPORTS TO HER WAS
HARASSED BY A MALE EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY AND TOLD HIM THAT SHE'S NOT INTERESTED AND THAT SHE'S MARRIED. 
          THE COMPLAINANT DESCRIBED RESPONSES FROM HER SUPERIORS AND FROM HUMAN RESOURCES THAT DID
NOT SEEM TO TAKE THE COMPLAINT SERIOUSLY, AND WHEN SHE PERSISTED, SHE SAID SHE WAS MET WITH DISMISSIVENESS,
RESISTANCE AND ULTIMATELY, RETALIATION. SHE WROTE THAT SHE RECEIVED A CORRECTIVE ACTION NOTICE FOR SIMPLY REPORTING
THE HARASSMENT TO HR. 
          FOR THIS WOMAN. THIS WOMAN DESCRIBES HER ORDEAL IN DETAILS WITH EMAILS AND OTHER
DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT HER ALLEGATIONS. 
          AND SHE SAYS SHE FINALLY WENT OVER THE HEADS OF HER SUPERIORS TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, JOY ANDREWS. AND SHE SENT MISS ANDREWS A TIMELINE OF THE EVENTS,
CITING VIOLATIONS OF COUNTY POLICY AND FEDERAL LAW. 
          SHE WRITES IN THE EMAIL, I ASKED JOY FOR THREE THINGS A FORMAL INVESTIGATION INTO MY INTO
MY MANAGEMENT. 
          RETRACTION OF THE RETALIATORY WRITE UP AND PROTECTION FROM FURTHER RETALIATION. 
          SHE SAID THAT TWO DAYS LATER, MISS ANDREWS REPLIED TO HER,
SAYING, I WILL CAREFULLY REVIEW AND FOLLOW UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          [03:45:05]
HOWEVER, MISS ANDREWS DID NOT FOLLOW UP AND FIVE MONTHS HAVE GONE BY WITH NO RESPONSE FROM
OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ON A MATTER THAT COULD HAVE SERIOUS LEGAL IMPLICATIONS AND THAT COULD LEAVE OUR COUNTY EXPOSED TO A POSSIBLE LAWSUIT. 
          IN MY OPINION, THIS DEMONSTRATES VERY POOR LEADERSHIP ON THE PART OF OUR COUNTY
ADMINISTRATOR. 
          ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT SHOULD BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY AND INVESTIGATED. 
          INSTEAD, A MALE DEPARTMENT HEAD DEFENDED THE BEHAVIOR BY SAYING,
WHAT'S WRONG WITH FLIRTING AT WORK? ANOTHER SENIOR STAFFER SAID HE WAS JUST BEING FRIENDLY. 
          A NUMBER OF VERY SENIOR STAFF ARE IMPLICATED IN THIS COMPLAINT. 
          AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HERSELF, I FEEL WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE A VOTE. 
          HOPEFULLY AGREE THAT WE CAN BRING AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATOR IN TO THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE. 
          THERE ARE ATTORNEYS THAT CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS INTO EMPLOYEE MISCONDUCT OR POLICY
VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE WORKPLACE, OPERATING SEPARATELY FROM THE COMPANY'S OWN INTERNAL HR DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO ENSURE
IMPARTIALITY AND NEUTRALITY. 
          I BELIEVE WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION. BUT FIRST,
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW DID ANYBODY ELSE RECEIVE THIS EMAIL? I DID, AND I FOUND IT IN THE JUNK. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS CONSIDERED JUNK,
BUT THE ONE STATEMENT THAT STUCK OUT TO ME IS THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE. 
          IT'S ABOUT A CULTURE OF ABUSE, INTIMIDATION AND RETALIATION THAT HAS FLOURISHED UNDER THE
CURRENT LEADERSHIP. 
          THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE FROM AN EMPLOYEE AND ALSO FROM A
COMMISSIONER ON THE BOARD AT ONE POINT. 
          AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CANNOT HAVE FESTER. 
          AND I TOTALLY AGREE THAT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE CONSENSUS THAT THE BOARD AUTHORIZES AN
INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WITH A FIRM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY AND ANY OTHER RESOLVED UNRESOLVED SEXUAL HARASSMENT CLAIMS AND RETALIATION CLAIMS,
AND REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD IN ABOUT 30 DAYS. 
          WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? MR. COMMANDO QUESTION. 
          I JUST FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SEE IS THAT A POSSIBILITY OF GETTING AN INDEPENDENT
WORKPLACE INVESTIGATOR? WELL, YOU CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AS STAFF. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S TRADITIONALLY HOW OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT WOULD WORK. JUST,
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, YOU MADE ONE COMMENT ABOUT IT BEING A PUBLIC RECORD,
EVEN THOUGH EVERYTHING CREATED IS A PUBLIC RECORD. 
          FROM WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WHICH I HAVE NOT SEEN,
THE EMAIL THERE'S MOST LIKELY EXEMPTIONS THAT WOULD APPLY TO PROTECT THE EMPLOYEE FROM ANY TYPE OF DISCLOSURE. WELL, I DON'T I MEAN, COULD WE JUST GET AN INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE
INVESTIGATOR SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY SIDE, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A COUNTY HAS DONE THE RIGHT THING? RIGHT. WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING A SIDE. AND ACTUALLY,
WE DO HAVE AN OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT LAW FIRM THAT I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD HANDLE THIS TYPE OF COMPLAINT. IS IT OUTSIDE THE COUNTY? YES. OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT'S IT'S BEEN OUR OUTSIDE LABOR COUNSEL FOR LONG,
SO. 
          NO, NO, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY, TOTALLY OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. 
          I MEAN, AND TOTALLY UNBIASED. I WOULD HOPE SO,
YEAH. 
          OKAY. I MEAN, I'M IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS FOR THAT,
I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE GET MORE INFORMATION ON THIS BEFORE TAKING A VOTE. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST, I THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE ANYBODY'S RIGHTS TO PRIVACY. 
          I JUST I NEED MORE INFORMATION. I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND CONSULT WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM. I'D
LIKE SOME TIME TO DO MY OWN DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, I COULD MAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS. 
          IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S JUNK MAIL, AND YOU GUYS CAN READ IT. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE CANNOT SIT ON ANY LONGER. IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE LAST
YEAR. 
          IF THAT IF, IF I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE. 
          SURE. IF YOU DON'T MIND. YOU STATED THAT IT WAS IT WAS IT REPORTED TO HR? AND DID HR DO AN INVESTIGATION? DO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S IN IN THE EMAIL? BUT WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT'S WHAT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR
WOULD DO. WELL YEAH, THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION. OH I'M SORRY TO. YEAH I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT WAS REPORTED
HR AND IF THEY DID AN DID AN INVESTIGATION AND IF THEY DID. 
          THIRD CHAIR JOSEPH, COMMISSIONER MURPHY, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ASKING FOR MY OPINION ON THIS. 
          THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE TO OUR COUNTY STAFF OR ME,
AND I AM NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON ANY SPECIFICS OF THIS PERSONNEL MATTER, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY OUT OF RESPECT OF EVERYBODY INVOLVED WITH THIS ALLEGATION AND THIS
ALLEGATION AND ALSO RESPECT FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE. 
          SO I AM NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THE SPECIFICS OF THIS CASE,
BUT I CAN BE ASSURED TO TELL YOU THAT PROPER ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN AND IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AND LEGAL COUNSEL HAS BEEN CONSULTED WITH. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A ROBUST EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP PROCESS WITH OUR HR DEPARTMENT. 
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AND I BELIEVE HR HAS BEEN ENGAGED AT THIS POINT,
HAS NOT BEEN ELEVATED TO MY LEVEL FOR THIS. 
          SPECIFIC COMPLAINT, BUT THE PREVIOUS ALLOCATION HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADDRESSED. 
          I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR STAFF, IN OUR DIRECTOR AND IN OUR HR DIRECTOR TO HANDLE THOSE
ISSUES, AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR PROCESS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. 
          AND I CANNOT SAY THIS ENOUGH. I DON'T TAKE ANYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO WORKPLACE ABUSE AND
INTIMIDATION LIGHTLY. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY NUMBER ONE THING TO ADDRESS. IF I SEE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TO BE
TRUE. 
          THANK YOU. IT WAS FIVE MONTHS, THOUGH. YOU HAVEN'T REPORTED BACK TO HER FOR FIVE MONTHS. 
          COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. SHARE. JOSEPH, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU A TIMELINE OF THIS ISSUE,
AND I CANNOT HASH THIS OUT IN THE PUBLIC. 
          THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED. AND I'D LIKE TO USE MR. COMMANDOS OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO LOOK INTO ALL OF IT,
AND THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          EVERYONE COMES OUT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO,
AND WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. DO I NEED CONSENSUS OR. 
          I MEAN, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED CONSENSUS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYWAY. 
          I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE DIRECTION, BUT WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          CAN WE HEAR BACK IN ABOUT 30 DAYS? WE'LL HAVE SOME FORM OF REPORT TO YOU AS SOON AS WE CAN
GET IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT KEEPING IT IN HOUSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT KEPT IN
HOUSE. THAT IS 100% CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT WILL DO IT. THANK YOU,
COMMISSIONER MURPHY. 
          JUST JUST ONE THING. MADAM CHAIR BEGINNING MONDAY,
FEBRUARY 10TH, PORTIONS OF WATSON ROAD WEST OF US ONE WILL SEE ROAD CLOSURES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SEWER TRANSMISSION MAIN. 
          I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THERE IS A BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING REQUEST
THAT THERE WILL BE ONE TOMORROW, FEBRUARY THE 5TH AT THE SOUTHEAST BRANCH LIBRARY ON US ONE SOUTH FROM 430 TO 6. 
          IN CASE ANYBODY IS INTERESTED, COMING TO THE PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS THE CLOSURES AND
HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WORK AROUND LANE CLOSURES ON THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A TWO MONTH PROJECT,
60 DAY PROJECT. 
          SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE COME TO THE MEETING OR CONTACT ME AND I'LL BE GLAD
TO PASS THAT INFORMATION ON. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          ROAD AND BRIDGE. I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING REALLY GOOD ABOUT THEM. 
          THEY HAVE RESPONDED WITHIN DAYS OF CITIZENS ASKING FOR POTHOLES AND SIDES OF ROADS THAT
HAVE BIG DROP OFFS AND CORRECTING THOSE, AS WELL AS PAINT. IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH, THE STRIPES HAVE BEEN YOU CAN HARDLY SEE THEM,
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THEY'RE JUST, YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING AT NIGHT AND IT'S GREAT. AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF EMAILS SAYING
THAT, SAYING THAT OR CALLS THAT HAVE SAID THAT. THAT'S ONE THING. 
          THE OTHER THING IS I WAS ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT SPRINTER
VANS. 
          AND I KNOW I TALKED TO MR. COMMANDO ABOUT POSSIBLY JUST CHANGING 1 OR 2 WORDS IN AN
ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS FAMILIES WITH A LOT OF KIDS HAVE BEEN BUYING SPRINTER VANS,
BUT SPRINTER VANS ARE REGISTERED UNDER RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, AND IT'S AGAINST SOME CODES IN SOME AREAS OF OUR COUNTY THAT YOU CAN'T PARK THEM IN YOUR
DRIVEWAY. 
          SO NOW IT'S BEEN JUST A BIG FIGHT BETWEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND A LOT OF TIME SPENT TRYING
TO TO PAY THE FINES OR SELL THE CAR OR KEEP THE CAR. AND IT'S JUST REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S NOW BECOME LIKE ELECTRIC BIKES. 
          IT'S JUST THE EVERYONE'S USING THE SPRINTER VANS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD'S OKAY WITH AND CONSENSUS ON? JUST ONE WORD. SO THAT THE SPRINTER VANS AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES
TO EXCLUDE VANS THAT ARE NOT PARTICULARLY LIVED IN OR HAVE CAMPING CAPABILITIES ON THE DRIVEWAY. 
          YEAH. EVERYBODY OKAY OVER THERE? GOOD. OKAY. AND THEN LAST WE HAVE A LETTER FROM KIM
KENDALL. 
          THAT ALL? HAS EVERYONE SEEN EVERYBODY? OKAY WITH THAT CONSENSUS? IS THERE ANYTHING I NEED TO DO REGARDING THAT,
MR. COMMANDER? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION. 
          KIM KENDALL'S LETTER. DO EVERYBODY'S IN CONSENSUS WITH THAT? IS THAT IT? THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. I DON'T HAVE ANY REPORT. 
          [County Administrator’s Report]
BUT, MISS WARNER, I THINK, PER THE BOARD'S REQUEST,
TO PROVIDE A RECRUITMENT UPDATE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          OH, EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, I'M DESIREE WARNER WITH HUMAN RESOURCES,
AND I AM HERE TO GIVE YOU AN YOU AN UPDATE ON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY POSITION. 
          [03:55:01]
AND EXCUSE ME, LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS RIGHT. 
          MAGGIE FROM HR IS HANDING OUT THE REVISED TIMELINE FOR YOU. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE A COPY OF THAT. AND I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU TODAY THAT THE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE DID MEET. 
          WE DID MEET ON THE 23RD TO VET THE CANDIDATES THAT WE RECEIVED. 
          AND AFTER WE DID A DEEP DIVE, WE FELT THAT OUR POOL WASN'T QUITE WHAT WE WANTED. 
          SO WE DID GO OUT TO ADVERTISE AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS. 
          WE REFRESHED THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ADVERTISEMENT TO TO GIVE A MORE FAVORABLE LIGHT ON
THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS TALK ABOUT THE SUPERVISORY STRUCTURE THAT THE POSITION WOULD HOLD. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED THREE ADDITIONAL ADVERTISEMENT LOCATIONS. 
          SPECIFICALLY, WE ADDED TO TWITTER AN EXECUTIVE RECRUITING FIRM,
TO USE THEIR JOB BOARD TO BLAST TO THEIR SUBSCRIBERS AS WELL AS CAREERS IN GOVERNMENT. 
          WE HAVE AT THIS TIME RECEIVED TWO ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING I'M SORRY APPLICATIONS. 
          AND SO WE FEEL THAT THE OUTREACH IS IS POSITIVE. 
          ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT THE QUALITY OF THE CANDIDATES ARE IMPROVED. 
          WE ARE PLANNING TO. CLOSE THE POSITION FOR ADVERTISEMENT ON FEBRUARY 21ST. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE WILL AGAIN MEET AS A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE CANDIDATES ON
FEBRUARY 27TH, WITH INTERVIEWS TO START ON MARCH 5TH AND THEN CONCLUDE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION HOPEFULLY
BY MARCH 18TH. 
          SO THAT'S THE UPDATE. NO ACTIONS REQUIRED, BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THAT YOU HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YOU DID RAISE THE THE THE SALARY, RIGHT? BECAUSE I SAW IT WAS 140 AND I THINK PART TIME GUY MAKES MORE THAN THAT. 
          SO. YES, MA'AM, WE DID. WE HAD THAT ONLY ON ONE ADVERTISEMENT ON. 
          INDEED. AND THAT AND THAT WAS REQUIRED. AND SO WE JUST USED OUR HIGHEST LEVEL AT THAT
POINT. BUT WE DID HAVE CONSENSUS TO UP THAT TO A MORE APPROPRIATE MINIMUM. 
          GOOD. I'M GLAD WE DID THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE CANDIDATES WOULD NOT BE AS QUALIFIED IF
IT WERE A LOWER SALARY. 
          YEAH. AND THEN WE JUST HAVE NEGOTIABLE ON THE OTHER ADVERTISEMENTS. 
          OH, EXCELLENT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY MORE? COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REPORT. JUST AN UPDATE. WE WERE ASKED TO BRING FORWARD AN ORDINANCE THAT
AMENDS SOME OF THE PAVER REGULATIONS AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS. 
          [County Attorney’s Report]
WE TOLD YOU WE'D HAVE IT READY FOR THIS MEETING. THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE. 
          IT IS READY. IT IS PREPARED. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF TIMING,
WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ADVERTISE IT FOR THIS MEETING. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU'LL SEE IT AT THE NEXT
MEETING. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.