[Call to Order]
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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING TO CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>>> THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT.
GOD THAT YOU JUST BE WITH THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.
WE JUST PRAY FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, THAT WE BE GOOD STEWARDS OF ALL YOU BLESS US WITH.
WE ASK THESE THINGS IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.
>> PLEASE JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[Public Comment]
>>> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
EACH PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS AND EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.
COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.
NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.
MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION TO ANY COMMENTS AND ANY SPEAKER PRESENTING ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD.
>> CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO MY COLUMN IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD ON SUNDAY.
COUNTY AND CITY SHOULD PASS THE SEVENTH GENERATION TEST.
AUGUSTINE'S ANNIVERSARY WHEN 448 PEOPLE CAME HERE FROM EUROPE AND AFRICA AND STARTED OUR NATION'S OLDEST CITY.
I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE A LITTLE WHILE AGO WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
HIS HOUSE BARELY ESCAPED ANOTHER FLOOD.
WE HAD TWO COMMISSIONERS AND THE MANAGER THAT WERE BADLY FLOODED IN THEIR HOMES AND THE TWO PRIOR HURRICANES AND THIS ONE COULD HAVE HIT US LIKE IT HIT THE BAHAMAS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MANY MISSING PEOPLE IN THE BAHAMAS AND APPARENTLY THE NUMBERS ARING GO TO BE ASTOUNDING WHEN THE TOLL IS COUNTED, WE HAVE TO BE BETTER PREPARED.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT FOR YEARS ANYONE WITH MONEY WAS ABLE TO COME TO THE COUNTY AND CITY AND THE OTHER CITY AND SAY HERE APPROVE THIS.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE LINE THAT EARL LONG SAID ABOUT HUGHIE LONG'S PUPPET GOVERNOR.
WE HAVE 31, AT LEAST 31 DEVELOPMENTS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WITH CHRONIC FLOODING PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF BAD PLANNING.
WE NEED BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND I KNOW WE'RE WORKING THERE AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU'RE DOING BUT I THINK THE ULTIMATE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE THE ST. AUGUSTINE PARK AND SEA SHORE.
WE JUST HAD AN EVENT AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE READ THE LITTLE ARTICLE IN THE PAPER TODAY BUT OUR FORMER CITY ARK -- PIPEWORK BEING DONE BY A CONTRACTOR ON ROAD BUILDING.
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SUB KRABLTHER WORKING WITHOUT SUPERVISION NIGHT WEEKENDS WHATEVER.DEAD HUMAN BODIES FROM THE A CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE 16TH CENTURY WERE DISTURBED.
I'M FIXING TO REPORT IT TO THE STATE WIDE PROSECUTOR BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A FEDERAL PRESENCE HERE.
STRONGER THAN JUST THE TWO INSTA INSTALLATIONS.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A NATIONAL PARK AND SEA SHORE AND AS WAS POINTED OUT BACK IN 1939 BY THE MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE, WE NEED A NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK AND NATIONAL SEA SHORE TO PRESERVE WHAT WE KNOW AND LOVE HERE.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT A? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC
[Consent Agenda]
COMMENT ON GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.>> ARE THERE ANY DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? COMMISSIONER? MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA?
[Regular Agenda]
PASSES 5-0.>> ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA?
>> WE'D LIKE TO ADD TWO ITEMS. ONE WOULD BE A DISCUSSION OF AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION TIED TO THE RECREPT HURRICANE AND THE OTHER IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT SUPPER RAVEN AND THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE BREACH IN THAT LOCATION.
>> THOSE WILL BE SIX AND SEVEN.
TERSE -- MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
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TODAY I HAVE A REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES.
>>> THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF IMC HERE TODAY ALSO TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
>> I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NUMBER ONE?
I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE CHAMBER TODAY.
I'M THE HEAD OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CHAMBER I WISH TO FULLY ENDORSE THE REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND I CONCUR WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
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COUNTY WE NEED TO ADD TO OUR AVAILABLE OPTIONS FOR BUSINESSES TO EXPAND AND RELOCATE.WE'LL MEET AN UNMET NEED AS A THIRD BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THE FORT WADE OFFICE PARK THIS BUILDING IS AN INDICATION OF POSITIVE ECONOMIC COMMERCIAL INTEREST IN THE AREA OF THE COUNTY.
BECAUSE IT IS BEING BILLED AS A SPECULATIVE SPACE THE ADDITION OF A PREMIUM SPACE ALLOWS FOR RECRUITMENT OF NEW BUSINESSES TO THE COUNTY.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> SEE WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE NEED AN INSPECTOR GENERAL.
THIS PROPOSAL COMES TO SPEND $11 MILLION OF COUNTY MONEY ON SPECULATION.
IF I WERE IN COURT I WOULD SAY OBJECTION, CALLS FOR SPECULATION.
WE'RE SPENDING TAX MONEY PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS.
THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN CORPORATE SOCIALISM.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT INCLUDING IDENTIFICATION OF EVERY SINGLE BENEFICIAL OWNER AND INVESTOR.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF A.D. DAVIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IS GOING TO DO THE WORK.
SO WE'RE SPENDING $11 MILLION ON AN INCENTIVE FOR A SPECULATIVE OFFICE BUILDING AND THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THE OFFICE BUILDING WOULD NOT BE BUILT WITHOUT THE INCENTIVE.
THERE'S NOT A TRANSPARENCY TO THIS PROCESS.
WHAT WE NEED IS A COUNTY BUDGET COMMITTEE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BCC ENLARGED BACK TO 7 WHICH IT WAS PRIOR TO 1998.
AND THEN Y'ALL COULD HAVE -- WORKING FUNCTIONING COMMITTEE SYSTEM AND THREE OF Y'ALL COULD BE A BUDGET COMMITTEE AND MORE INTENSIVELY LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND LOOK AT PROPOSALS LIKE THIS WITH A GIMLET EYE.
WHEN HE WAS FIRST SWORN IN AS A U.S. SENATOR IN 1975 GARY HART ON THE PHONE COLORADO TOLD HIS STAFF ABOUT WHAT THEY SHOULD CONSIDER IN ANY LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL AND THE BEST LINE IN THAT MEMO, ONE THAT RESONATES THROUGH THE AGES IS IT BASED ON NEED OR GREED.
SO WE'RE GIVING $11 MILLION FOR SPECULATION AND SO WHEN I MAKE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, IT'S TREATED PENORIOUSLY AND IF IT TAKES MORE THAN 15 MINUTES I AM TOLD TO GIVE MONEY.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE MONEY TO SPARE LET'S CHANGE THAT COUNTY ORDINANCE.
AS FAR AS GIVING SUBSIDIES TO DEVELOPERS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.
ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS COMING ALIVE.
IT IS THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
IT IS THE EIGHTH FASTEST GROWING AREA COUNTY IN THE UNITED STATES.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND SO WHY DO WE NEED TO GIVE INCENTIVES? THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT ANYWAY SO YOU'RE PUTTING MONEY IN SOMEBODY'S POCKETS.
IT'S A REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH THE WRONG WAY FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE PAYING THEIR ADD VALOR UM PROPERTY TAXES.
WHO ARE THE OWNERS AND INVESTORS? BENEFICIAL OWNERS? WHO BENEFITS? WE DON'T KNOW.
AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED AN INSPECTOR GENERAL AND AN OMBUDSMAN.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? AGENDA ITEM ONE?
>> I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LET THE MISQUOTE GO UNADDRESSED.
THE COUNTY IS NOT SPENDING $11 MILLION.
WE'RE PROVIDING AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE OF $459,000 WHICH WILL BE REIMBURSED AFTER WE RECEIVE THE INCREASED TAX.
WE PAY FOR PERFORMANCE AND NOT ON A SPECULATIVE BASIS.
I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK WE WERE SPENDING $11 MILLION.
>> I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF PROGRAM WE ALL NEED TO EMBRACE AND SUPPORT.
THREE YEARS AGO WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE REVENUE IN THIS COUNTY FROM RESIDENTIAL ROOF TOPS VERSUS BUSINESS, IT WAS 90% RESIDENTIAL.
BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS THAT MELISSA HAS HAD WORKING WITH THIS INCENTIVE PROGRAM IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, THAT RATIO IS STARTING TO SHIFT? A GOOD DIRECTION IN MY OPINION.
IT'S NOW ROUGHLY 18% BUSINESS.
IT'S GOING TO HOPEFULLY CONTINUE
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TO SHIFT AS WE CAN GET MORE TAX REVENUE FROM COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS ACTIVITY, THE STATE AVERAGE BY THE WAY IS ABOUT 65% RESIDENTIAL, 35% BUSINESS.SO THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM THAT NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED.
IT PROMOTES GOOD, SOUND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S TRUE, OUR COUNTY IS GROWING BUT IT'S GROWING IN POPULATION WITH RESIDENTIAL ROOF TOPS BUT WE ALSO NEED TO INCREASE BUSINESS ACTIVITY AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT SO UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> I'M HERE TO MAKE A MOTION AS WELL BUT GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
>> OKAY. I WILL MOVE TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT AGREEMENT FOR GLOBAL REALTY OF NORTH FLORIDA, LLC, TO CONSTRUCT A 62,751 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING AND PLACE THE PROPOSED GRANT AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD AS A LATER REGULARLY-SCHEDULED MEETING.
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>> NUMBER TWO IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING IF YOU HAD ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
THE NATURE AND SUBSTANCE OF THEM.
AND WHO THE COMMUNICATIONS WERE MADE WITH.
I MET WITH MRS. ROBINSON WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED PRIOR TO WHEN THIS WAS SCHEDULED FOR THE THIRD TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSAL AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO HER FAMILY.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH MS. ROBINSON ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PHONE CALLS AND MET IN PERSON CONCERNING HER DESIRE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS AND HAVE HER FAMILY LIVE ON THESE PROPERTIES, ON THE PROPERTY.
AFTER A LENGTHY DURATION OF TIME AND CONSULTATION WITH STAFF AND NONZONING VARIANCE WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH HER GOAL.
I MET WITH HER IN PERSON FORMALLY ON FEBRUARY 21ST, 2019, AT 8:30 ALONG WITH BETH BREEDING AND DISCUSSED OTHER -- WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET TODAY.
I WANT TO SAY MS. ROBINSON HAS BEEN A LIFE LONG FRIEND OF OUR FAMILY AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES SO SITE VISITS ARE A COMMON OCCURRENCE.
I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING I NEED TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> ON FEBRUARY 21ST, I MET WITH BETH BREEDING AND MS. ROBINSON TO DISCUSS THE REASONS FOR THE NEED OF THE VARIANCE.
THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE.
AND THE JUSTIFICATIONS THAT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST METHOD TO ACHIEVE THE INTENDED GOALS.
I MET WITH MS. ROBINSON AND MS. BREACHED ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST AT APPROXIMATELY 1:00 P.M. TO DISCUSS THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, THE GENERAL INTENT.
I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR ME AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> OKAY. I MET WITH MS. ROBINSON AND BETH BREEDING ON FEBRUARY 21ST AT 1:30 P.M.
WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT, CHANGES NEEDED FOR HER FAMILY TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS PROPERTIES AND I THINK THAT'S IT.
>> CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND TURN THAT COMPUTER SCREEN THAT'S BESIDE YOU A LITTLE BIT? THANK YOU.
THERE'S A GLARE COMING OFF AND I CAN'T SEE.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
NONZONING VARIANCE 201906 FOR ROBINSON LAND DIVISION.
THIS REQUEST FOR NONZONING VARIANCE IS TO LAND DEVELOMENT CODE SECTION 50101 C1 FOR RELIEF FROM SUBDIVISION PLANNING REGULATIONS FOR THE DIVISION OF TWO OR MORE PARCELS OF LAND TO ALLOW FOR A MAXIMUM OF FIVE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
AS WELL AS THE SECOND REQUEST IS SECTION 60407 B TO ALLOW AN ACCESS EASEMENT TO SERVE FOUR RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS IN LIEU OF THE MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE OF TWO DEVELOPMENT UNITS.
SO THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 18.31 ACRES AND IT'S LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 16 AND EAST
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OF SUDDEN I DID ROAD.THE ZONING IS OPEN ROLLED WITH SURROUNDING ZONINGS OF OPEN RURAL AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PROPERTY IS PRIMARILY SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE NORTH IS CONSISTENT, IT'S GOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THOSE LOTS ARE APPROXIMATELY ANYWHERE FROM 7,800 TO SQUARE FEET TO 17,400 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE PARCEL DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH HAS APPROVED SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS ON IT.
HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD YET BUT IT'S APPROVED FOR 21 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND -- SO THE SUMMARY OF THIS APPLICATION, EXCUSE ME, IS THE APPLICANT SEEKING RELIEF FROM THE PLANNING STANDARDS FOR THIS PARCEL AND THEY'RE PROPOSAL FOR IT TO ALLOW FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE PARCELS AS DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
THE EAST AND WEST PARCELS EACH HAVE AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THEM AND THE THREE PARCELS ADDED ARE GOING TO BE INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS WELL.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE TWO EXISTING 50 FOOT EASEMENTS WHICH WAS RECORDED IN NOVEMBER, 2008, AND THE EASTERN MOST RESIDENCE IN ADDITION TO THE THREE OTHER PARCELS ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THAT EXISTING EASEMENT.
IT WILL SERVE A TOTAL OF FOUR UNITS.
AND THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS ACCESSED DIRECTLY FROM THE ROAD.
SO THERE'S THE PROPOSAL OF THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE FIVE LOTS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING EASEMENT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
TECHNICAL STAFF DID VISIT THE SITE AND COMPLETED THE REVIEW.
THEY'VE DETERMINED THAT THE EASEMENT WILL MEET THE MINIMUM EASEMENT STANDARDS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 604 AH 7 FOR ACCESSING TWO DWELLING UNITS BUT THAT THE LIMIT OF FOUR UNITS CAN SAFELY USE THIS EASEMENT THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
THERE'S A PICTURE FROM THE SITE VISIT JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A VISUAL.
AND STAFF FINDS THE REQUESTED NONZONING VARIANCE TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE EMAIL IN OPPOSITION WHICH I'VE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD AND ALSO TWO PHONE CALLS WHICH WERE JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS.
SO IN CONCLUSION WE PROVIDED SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND NINE CONDITIONS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AND ALSO SIX FINDINGS OF FACT TO DENY THE REQUEST.
OTHERWISE I THINK THE APPLICANT IS HERE ALSO.
I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
>> MS. ROBINSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?
I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MS. BARBARA ROBINSON FOR THE ROBINSON LAND DIVISION.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE BACKGROUND ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN OWNED BY THE ROBINSONS FOR DECADES.
THE FIRST HOUSE WHERE SHE LIVES TODAY WAS BUILT IN 1958.
IN 2003, THERE WAS A DEED TRANSFERRED FROM BENJAMIN ROBINSON TO BARBARA ROBINSON AND THAT INCLUDED A 50 FOOT WIDE ACCESS EASEMENT.
THE SECOND HOME THAT YOU SEE IN THE REAR THERE WAS BUILT IN 2010 AND HER SON LIVES THERE NOW.
-- 2007 AND HER SON LIVES THERE NOW.
THERE ARE TWO ACCESS EASEMENTS INCLUDED IN THE DEED FROM 2008 AND THESE TWO ACCESS EASEMENTS SERVE TO EXTEND THE EASEMENT ALL THE WAY TO THAT BACK HOUSE.
LISA ALREADY WENT OVER THIS SO I'LL JUST ADD WE DID MEET WITH STAFF AND WORK THROUGH TECHNICAL QUESTIONS WITH THE ACCESS EASEMENT AND PART OF THAT WAS TO MAKE SURE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT WE HAD FOR THE EXISTING EASEMENT WOULD MEET WHERE THE DRIVEWAY EXISTS CURRENTLY SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A CLIP THERE THAT WE HAD TO ADJUST AND A LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND ALSO MAKING SURE WE PROVIDED FOR
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AMPLE SPACE FOR THE TURN AROUND AT THE END.THIS LAND DIVISION SERVES TO ADD THREE ADDITIONAL HOMES FOR A TOTAL OF THE FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 1.7 ACRES, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS ABOUT 200 FEET WHICH IS TWICE THAT'S REQUIRED IN OPEN RURAL AND THE THREE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS ARE PLANNED FOR MS. ROBINSON'S CHILDREN AND THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST TO DIVIDE THE PROPERTY IS SO EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL CHILDREN CAN RECEIVE MORTGAGES.
AS I'VE MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME AND THE INTENTION OF THIS DIVISION IS VERY SIMILAR TO A FAMILY FARM.
BECAUSE THE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL B THE FAMILY FARM IS NOT AN OPTION BUT THE INTENT WOULD BE TO HAVE THESE LARGE LOTS THAT ARE FAMILY OWNED WHILE PROVIDING FOR A VEHICLE THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE SOLD IF THEY WILL IN THE FUTURE PREVENTING SORTS OF ISSUES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WITH FAMILY FARM DIVISIONS.
AND IN TERMS OF PRACTICE CALTY FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE IT WOULD JUST NOT BE PRACTICAL TO PAVE A FULL RIGHT OF WAY TO THE END OF THAT LAST HOME.
EACH OF THE DAUGHTERS WOULD BE IN THE THREE LOTS INTERIOR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR CONGESTION.
THE TURN AROUND MEETS FIRE STANDARDS AND THE IMPACTS WOULD BE LIMITED TO THREE HOMES.
THIS IS IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPOSED ORDER.
AND NO CHANGES TO ACCESS OR TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY IS TO THE HOME IN THE FRONT AS WELL AS THE EASEMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THE SPACE FOR THE TURN AROUND.
THAT TOP PICTURE IS THE SON'S HOME AT THE BACK OF THE LOT.
AND IN SUMMARY, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS TO THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN FACT, THE LOTS PROPOSED ARE LARNLER THAN THOSE OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WITH THAT, I ASK YOU TO APPROVE THIS ORDER.
I ALSO HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE BARBARA ROBINSON WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR A MOMENT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
I'M THE LADY THAT'S BEEN PESTERING THESE PEOPLE FOR TWO YEARS TO HELP ME GIVE MY DAU DAUGHTERS A LOT TO LIVE ON MY LAND.
MY THREE DAUGHTERS LIVE IN THE COUNTY.
ONE DOESN'T BUT THEY WANTS TO.
APPRECIATE ALL OF Y'ALL HELPING ME.
I'VE MET WITH THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK THEY SYMPATHIZE WITH ME A LITTLE BIT.
>> OPEN UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> I'M TERRY ROBINSON AND I LIVE ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE HOMES ON THE STREET DRAIN BACK FROM THE STREET AND THERE'S A DRY CREEK BED THERE AND I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT REMAINS THERE SO THERE'S NO IMPACT ON DRAINAGE FOR OUR SYSTEM.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND WILD LIFE AND BIRDS.
I GET A WOOD PECKER IN MY YARD EVERY DAY AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE ALL THOSE LIVE OAKS TAKEN DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY I KNOW IT'S NOT MY LAND BUT I WOULD SINCE SOMEONE HAS TALKED TO EVERY ONE OF YOU IT'S PROBABLY A MOOT POINT BUT IF THEY COULD SAVE SOME OF THAT TREE THERE IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC AND I THINK IT WOULD IMPROVE PROPERTIES OF ALL CONCERNED.
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>> MIRABELA BEHIND THE PROPOSED LOTS.
>> AND DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC ADDRESS?
>> I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS BUT HE RAISES VERY GOOD POINTS POINTING OUT THE NEED TO DO A MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO TREE KILLING.
ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH THE OTHER NIGHT THEY ACTUALLY MET AND SPENT HOURS OVER SEVERAL MEETINGS ABOUT PRESERVING ONE LIVE OAK IN ONE PROPERTY THAT WAS BEING DEVELOPED AND I'LL COMMEND THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
THEY WERE VERY PROACTIVE AND THEY ENDED UP PRESERVING A PARTICULAR TREE AND I THINK YOU COULD CERTAINLY DIRECT STAFF TO MEET WITH THE MAN WHO JUST SPOKE AND THE APPLICANT AND ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND ALSO ABOUT DRAINAGE.
BUT SOUNDS LIKE A REASONABLE PROPOSAL I WOULD SUPPORT IT WITH THOSE -- DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING APPROVALS AND CERTAINLY THIS LADY AND HER FAMILY SDEFB THIS BUT CERTAINLY THE TREE ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND WE LOVE OUR WOOD PECKERS.
I GOT A BIG ONE THAT LIKES TO PECK ON THE SECOND STORY WINDOW OF MY HOUSE.
I FIGURED OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THAT HUMANELY WITH -- WELL, I'LL PLAY A BALD EAGLE SOUND ON THE COMPUTER AND THE WOOD PECKER FIGURES OUT IT'S NOT A NICE PLACE TO BE.
APPARENTLY THEY LIKE TO PECK ON WINDOWS.
PLEASE APPROVE THE PROPOSAL BUT ADDRESS THE MAN'S CONCERNS.
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>> COMMENT ON THE WHOLE CONSENT AGENDA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IN MY VIEW COVERS THESE.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA.
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.>> I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT DISASTER RECOVERY.
SO THIS IS THE SECOND ROUND OF FUNDING THAT CAME FROM THE HUD FOLLOWING HURRICANE MATTHEW.
AFTER THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS THE MOST EXACTED COUNTY MEANING 80% OF THE FUND LING THAT CAME TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA WAS TO BE SPENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS $89 MILLION.
THE STATE HAD DECIDED AT THAT TIME TO SEPARATE THE FUNDING INTO TWO TRAUNCHES.
IN MARCH OF 2018, I BROUGHT THE BOARD A FIRST TRAUNCH OF MONEY AND IT WAS APPROVED.
JUST WANT TO REMIND THERE IS NO LOCAL MATCH FUNDING TO THIS GRANT.
IT'S 100% COVERED THROUGH THE CDVGR FUNDING.
SO THE BENEFITS BASICALLY TO THE COMMUNITY IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS TO MEET THE UNMET NEEDS FOLLOWING HURRICANE MATTHEW IN BASICALLY THREE CATEGORIES.
HOME REPAIR OR HOUSING NEEDS, SECOND IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH BASICALLY BRINGS BACK AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK TO THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE WITHIN THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS.
WE HAVE TO BE WITHIN THOSE SERVICE BENEFIT AREAS.
>> SO THE PROGRAM OVERVIEW IS IT HAS TO BE DIED BACK TO HURRICANE MATTHEW.
IT HAS TO BE 70% SPENT WITHIN THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME SERVICE BENEFIT AREAS AND QUICKLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF WE DO AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WE CAN'T JUST GO TO ANY AREA IN THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND THERE'S A 70% -- 50% OF THE FUNDS HAVE TO BE SPENT WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
THERE IS THE DEO AND HUD PRIMARY OBJECTIVE FOR THIS FUNDING IS UNMET NEEDS FOR HOUSING SO HOUSING IS WHERE WE'RE SPENDING MOST OF THE FUNDS.
THERE IS NO DUPLICATION OF BENEFITS SO WE COULD NOT COMBINE OR USE FUNDING TWICE TO DO THE SAME PROJECT SO IF A HOMEOWNER RECEIVED INSURANCE MONEY TO FIX THEIR ROOF WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM MORE MONEY TO FIX THE SAME ROOF.
WE'RE USING IT FOR THE UNMET NEEDS OF THAT RESIDENT.
100% OF THE STAFF TIME AND THERE'S NO MATCH TO IT IS REIMBURSABLE THROUGH THIS GRANT.
AND I HAVE THIS BUILDING HERE FOR LIMITED GUIDANCE AND BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO EXPRESS IS THAT HUD IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER FEDERAL PROGRAM.
HUD IS DIFFERENT IN THIS WORLD WHERE THE -- IT'S MEANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE MEANING TERE'S MORE LEEWAY IN THE WAY YOU SPEND THE MONEY.
SO WHAT THAT TRANSLATES FOR US IS MORE REGULATIONS AND MORE SUBJECTIVE AND SO THERE'S VERY LIMITED GUIDANCE ON ACTUALLY HOW TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY CORRECTLY.
HOWEVER, IT'S VERY HIGHLY AWE DIDABLE AND IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT THE RIGHT WAY THEY'LL TRY TO TAKE IT AWAY.
SO TO COMBAT THAT WE HAVE THIS STATE WITH US PROBABLY EVERY QUARTER.
WE HAVE WEEKLY CALLS WITH THEM.
THEY MONITOR US AND COME DOWN TO THE COUNTY REGULARLY SO WE'RE ENSURING THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO STAY WITH.
THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS ON US AND I WANTED TO REFRESH YOUR MIND AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S WATCHING IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS SO IT'S NOT AN EASY JUST COMING TO US HERE IS A CHECK OR WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE CHECKS AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES.
SO THE FIRST TRAUNCH OF MONEY APPROVED IN MARCH.
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THE MAJORITY OF UNDER THING WENT INTO THE HOUSING WHICH IS HELPING INDIVIDUALS WITH THEIR UNMET NEEDS.AFFORDABLE RENTAL IS THE 207 PROJECT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
AND IT'S GOING TO BRING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS A COMMUNITY CENTER AND INTEGRATED SERVICE CENTER ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WE HAVE BASICALLY DRAINAGE AND SEWAGE PROJECTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IN LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS TO ASSIST FROM THEM HAVING FUTURE PROBLEMS DUE TO FLOODING OR SEWAGE PROBLEMS. SO WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THOSE SETS OF THAT FIRST TRAUNCH OF MONEY, IT'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES AND SO AGAIN THE THREE DIFFERENT BUCKETS THE HOUSING WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE INTAKE CENTER WE HAVE THAT OPEN.
THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY PROVIDE THEIR NEEDS AND WE GO THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND GO SEE IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE.
WE HAVE ALMOST 6 HUB PEOPLE REGISTERED AND GONE THROUGH THE INTAKE CENTER AND VARIOUS STAGES OF PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THOSE REQUIREMENTS BUT AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD APPROVED THE CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF CONTRACTOR TO COME ON BOARD SO NOW WE'RE AT THAT PHASE WHERE WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO THE CONTRACT WITH US AND THE HOMEOWNERS TO START CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY SEE THOSE HAPPENING WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO AND THE GOAL FOR THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE 15 MEMOS COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR IN THE HOUSING.
AND THEN WE HAVE KIND OF A BELL CURVE AS WE GO THROUGH AND INCREASE AND GET BETTER AT IT.
WE'LL DO MORE HOMES EVERY QUARTER SO WE'RE DONE WITH EVERYBODY OR RUN OUT OF FUNDING.
AFFORDABLE HANGOUTSING -- AFFORDABLE RENTAL, WE WENT THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REFINISHING THAT UP NOW.
WE'RE DOING THE IN HOUSE 30% PROCURE A FULL DESIGN BUILD - FIRM.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OWNER RIGHT NOW WHICH IS THE SALVATION ARMY ON LAND LEASE AND OPERATING LEASE.
SO WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS YOU'LL SEE THE OPERATING AND LEASE LAND LEASE PROPERTY.
ONCE THAT COMES IN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO DESIGN AND IF EVERYTHING LINES UP WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETIME IN THE MID TO LATE NEXT YEAR ACTUALLY BREAKING GROUND ON THAT SITE.
THIS IS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AT THE TIME WE'RE DOING ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS AND SOP DIVINITY STAGES AS WELL AS DESIGN.
SO THE SECOND TRAUNCH OF FUNDING BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE AREAS.
HOUSING, AFFORDABLE PRESENTAL, AND NONHOUSING.
AGAIN WHEN I BROUGHT THIS TO THE BOARD THE FIRST TIME, WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT OUR UNIVERSE WAS GOING TO BE AND HOW MANY HOMES WERE GOING TO COME ACROSS OUR DOOR.
WE'RE SEEING A LARGE NUMBER SO WE HAD TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY'S NEED.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS HOUSING IS IN HERE.
THERE'S MORE MONEY GOING INTO THAT BUCKET.
SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS.
HUD AND THE STATE LIKE THAT PROJECT.
IT FITS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY WANT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING ANOTHER SIMILAR 207 SITE.
MORE CLOSELY IN THE HASTINGS AREA.
ONCE WE'RE APPROVED HERE WE GO INTO THE SECOND TRAUNCH OF FUNDING SO THE FIRST POT WAS 45 AND THE SECOND WAS 43.
IT WILL BENEFIT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR UNMET HOUSING NEEDS AS WELL AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING RELATED TO INTEGRATED SERVICE STAFFERS AND ALSO HELP REPAIR, REPLACE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS DAMAGED DUE TO HURRICANE MATTHEW WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
THAT IS THE MOTION TO BASICALLY ALLOW US TO AMEND THE CONTRACT AND ACCEPT THE $43 MILLION.
WITH THAT, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS I'M AVAILABLE.
PUBLIC COMMENT? OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.
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I ENDORSE IT.WHY IS THE SALVATION ARMY PROPERTY WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A HOMELESS SHELTER ALLOWED TO LAPSE AND WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED.
THIS IS BEING TURNED INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING INSTEAD OF THAT.
I TALKED TO A COMMISSIONER FROM ANOTHER BOARD ABOUT THAT AND SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
ALSO HE SAID IT'S HIGHLY AUDITABLE AND IT BEARS REPORTING I'VE SENT Y'ALL SOME EMAILS AND AT LEAST TWO OF Y'ALL WERE NOT AWARE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 19TH I SFOUND OUT YESTERDAY THAT THERE WAS NEVER ANY PRESS RELEASE FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ON THIS AUDIT.
I'M THINKING WE NEED A LOT MORE CANDOR FROM THE NEXT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE THIS ONE KEEPS HIS CARDS CLOSE TO HIS VEST.
WORKS WITH DEVELOPERS AND YOU'RE NOT IN THE LOOP.
AND THE FACT THAT TWO OF YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT AUDIT FROM THE IG, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY RAISES CONCERNS.
BECAUSE YOU ARE THE DECISION MAKERS.
I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING GRANTS AND BACK WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE THERE WAS A RELUCTANCE ON THE PART OF BOTH CITY AND COUNTY OFFICIALS TO SEE GRANTS.
AND IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY A LOCAL ACCOUNTANT THAT THE REASON WAS BILL HARRIS DIDN'T WANT TO GET AUDITED.
WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU'RE BEING AUDITED AND WE'RE GLAD THAT THERE ARE FEDERAL EYES ON YOU AND THERE NEED TO BE MORE BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE BUDGET.
THE FACT THAT TWO OF Y'ALL WERE NEVER TOLD AND THE PUBLIC WAS NEVER TOLD IN ANY PRESS RELEASE ABOUT AN INSPECTOR GENERAL AUDIT FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY I THINK Y'ALL NEED ANSWERS AND I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM AND I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME AND I THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.
I WOULD LIKE JOE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND EXPLAIN THE EVOLUTION OF THE 207 SERVICE CENTER.
I THINK THERE'S A STORY THERE THAT'S MORE ACCURATE AND NEEDS TO BE TOLD.
THERE'S SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW ALONG TO GET THE FUNDING SO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE PROJECT AS WAS MENTIONED WAS A -- ALWAYS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SOME TYPE OF HOUSING WITH A CENTER UP FRONT.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS NOW OPENED IT NOT JUST TO HOMELESS, IT IS NOW THE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS WHICH ACTUALLY INCREASES THE ABILITY FOR MORE RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE THIS FACILITY THAN JUST ONE CERTAIN POPULATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S OPINION LOST IN THE MESSAGE.
IT REALLY IS ALLOWED TO HELP MORE PEOPLE.
THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ALWAYS THERE.
YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF MARKET VALUE WITH LOW TO MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS THERE.
IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN ITSELF.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF BALANCE OF PAYMENT FOR NONPAYMENT SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT ABILITY.
SO THE PROJECT IS NOT REALLY CHANGED AS PEOPLE THINK IT HAS.
THIS IS THE SAME NUMBER OF HOMES AS WELL AS THE SERVICE CENTER.
WE JUST INCREASED IT TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW MORE RESIDENTS TO USE IT.
COULD YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE AUDIT THAT CAME UP?
>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT AUDIT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QUITE FRANKLY, COMMISSIONER, OTHER THAN THE NORMAL AUDITS THAT ARE DONE ROUTINELY.
>> WELL, THERE'S POTENTIALLY -- I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY -- WE HAD ONE DONE THROUGH FEMA AND ONE THROUGH FEMA WAS BASICALLY
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SAYING THAT WE WERE PASS -- WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO HOWEVER THE STATE NEEDED TO HELP PROVIDE SOME MORE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.I KNOW THE STATE HAS GONE THROUGH AN AUDIT BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE SAME ONE BUT THE CDGBR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE HAS NOT GONE THROUGH AN OIG AUDIT SO I'M NOT SURE.
>> MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF INSPECTOR GENERAL BEING INVITED TO THE COUNTY TO DO A PREAUDIT BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF REGULATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE'RE DEALING WITH ALMOST $90 MILLION WORTH OF MONEY.
AND THAT DOESN'T COME WITHOUT STRINGS AND REQUIREMENTS.
PRIOR TO JOE GETTING INVOLVED WITH DR YOU MAY RECALL FOR SOME YEARS I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DR PROGRAM.
WE HAD AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW AND I PROBABLY BROUGHT THIS UP IN MULTIPLE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS THAT I ALWAYS PHRASED IT AS I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PRANK CALL BECAUSE I GOT A CALL IN DECEMBER RIGHT AFTER THE HURRICANE WHICH WAS IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER SAYING YOU'RE ABOUT TO BE AUDITED ON HURRICANE MATTHEW AND I HAD SAID REALLY.
WHO IS THIS? AND THEY SAID NO THIS IS THE OIG.
THE OIG THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
WE WERE RUNNING A PARALLEL COURSE WITH THE FEMA PROCESS WHAT JOE IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WITH HURRICANE DORIAN AND WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AGAIN WITH MATTHEW AND IRMA.
THE SAME TIME THAT FEMA CAME IN, IN JANUARY OF THAT YEAR, ADMINISTRATION MADE THE CALL TO ACTUALLY WHEN WILL THE OIG WANTED TO COME IN WE ASKED THEM TO COME INTO OUR OWN OFFICES.
THEY CAME FOR THREE WEEKS TOTAL, TWO WEEKS THE FIRST TIME CAME FOR ANOTHER WEEK.
WE SET THEM UP RIGHT OUTSIDE THE OFFENSE IN MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
OVERALL THAT INITIAL OIG AUDIT AND I CAN CERTAINLY PUT MY HANDS BACK ON THAT AUDIT BUT AGAIN I RECALL THESE DISCUSSIONS, WHY THEY WERE NOT NECESSARILY PUT INTO A PRESS RELEASE.
WELL, DURING HURRICANE MATH EWE I THINK YOU ALL PROBABLY RECEIVED MORE PRESS RELEASES THAN MAYBE WE NEEDED.
THEY WERE CERTAINLY COMMUNICATED TO YOU I CAN RECALL MULTIPLE TIMES ON THAT BUT WE WERE TWO THUMBS UP ON THAT.
>> LET ME MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT, PLEASE?
>> THAT IS I WANT TO PUT THE POSITIVE BACK ON THE STORY.
LET'S NOT GET DRAGGED DOWN BY SPECULATION OVER AN AUDIT THAT WAS A CLEAN AUDIT.
LET'S LOOK AT WHERE THIS MONEY IS GOING.
WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH THE 207 SERVICE CENTER AND HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WITH THAT FIRST TRAUNCHES OF MONEY.
THE SECOND TRAUNCH IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.
WE'RE GOING BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ABOUT 100 UNITS.
IT WAS NET POSITIVE FOR THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.
AND THE SERVICE CENTER WILL BE A MULTIFUNCTION BUILDING THAT CAN THIS INCLUDE THE COUNTY'S LIBRARY THAT'S NOW IN A HIGH SCHOOL WHICH HAS ISSUES AS WE ALL KNOW.
MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2019.
>> AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE FORM AND FORMAT ATTACHED HERETO.
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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
>> THE FIRST SUGGESTED MOTION RECOMMENDS REAPPOINTING STEVE POLERA AS A REGULAR MEMBER FOR A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM EXPIRING IN 2021.
>> HIS TERM EXPIRED IN 2017 AND WE ARE -- HE HAS CONTINUED TO SERVE.
THEREFORE WE'RE KEEPING HIS IN LINE WITH THE FACT THAT HE'S ALREADY BEEN SERVING BECAUSE WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BRING THIS FORWARD WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO TAKE THAT SEAT.
>> I GUESS THE NUMBERS DIDN'T JIBE THERE REAL WELL BUT I GOT IT NOW.
>> WE TRY TO KEEP IT SO THAT YOUR TERMS ARE STILL STAGGERED.
OTHERWISE EVERYONE WOULD BE LIKE WE ARE NOW, FIVE MEMBERS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL AT ONCE.
PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WILL CLOSE PUB LIB COMMENT.
DO WE NEED TO DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY?
THE BOARD COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SLATE OF CANDIDATES AS PROVIDED BY THE AGENDA ITEM FOR THE APPOINTMENTS TERMS AND INDIVIDUALS.
WELL I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE SLATE OF CANDIDATES FOR THOSE FIVE RECOMMENDED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON AGENDA ITEM FOUR.
>> THE WAY THAT WORKS IS IF THERE'S A SECOND AND A VOTE ON IT IF IT'S UNANIMOUS IT PASSES.
IF NOT YOU'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.
>> ACCEPT THE SLATE AS WRITTEN IN OUR PACKAGE.
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ITEM NUMBER FIVE BEFORE YOU IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD.
>> I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR APPLICATIONS?
>> THERE ARE TWO SLOTS AND FOUR APPLICATIONS.
>> OKAY. CAN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE DECIDE ON THE TWO? OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT?
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PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM FIVE.>> SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL A MOTION TO APPOINT MEGAN MCKINLEY FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPOINT MS. MCKINLEY.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MR. JOHN PATON TO THE BOARD FOR FOUR YEARS SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2023.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THE APPOINTMENTS ARE PATTON TO THE BOARD.
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>> NUMBER SIX WHICH IS AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION.
THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS OFFICE IS GOING TO HANDLE THAT.
WE ARE HANDING OUT COPIES OF THESE.
AS THE BOARD KNOWS TWO WEEKS AGO FROM TODAY, THE BOARD HAD APPROVED AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION IN THE FACE OF HURRICANE DORIAN APPROACHING.
ONE WEEK AGO, THE CHAIR AS AUTHORIZED BY COUNTY ORDINANCE EXTENDED THE EMERGENCY FOR A SEVEN-DAY PERIOD WHICH WOULD RUN UNTIL TODAY.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO EXTEND THE EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION PERTAINING TO THE AFTEREFFECTS OF HURRICANE DORIAN AFTER THE SEVEN DAY PERIOD.
>> IF I MAY INTERJECT FOR ONE MOMENT.
WHAT THIS PROPOSED PROCLAMATION WOULD DO IS EXTEND -- THIS STATE OF LOCAL EMERGENCY SHALL BE EFFECTIVE FOR ALL PORTIONS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FROM STATE ROAD A 1 A EXTENDING EASTWARD TO THE ATLANTIC OCEAN.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHETHER THAT WOULD BE A RATIONALE LOCATION FOR THIS LIMITED PROCLAMATION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF THE DECLARATION FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ACHIEVES THAT REQUEST.
>> OKAY. WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NUMBER SIX.
>> I SUPPORT THE DECLARATION BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD IF IT'S EXTENDED IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING VIDEOTAPED IN THIS ROOM.
COUNCIL WAS GUILTY IN PRIOR HURRICANES OF IGNORING MY REQUESTS THAT THOSE DECLARATIONS BE DISCUSSED IN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
I EVEN ASKED TO BE CONFERENCED IN ON THE TELEPHONE SO I COULD HEAR IT AND HE WOULD NOT DO IT.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM SIX? SEEING NONE, CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
>> OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS?
>> I'LL MOVE THE ADOPTION OF THE
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EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION.>> MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION.
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WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DAY MONDAY DAVIS -- DAMON DAVIS GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE IT SITS AND HOW TO ADDRESS THE BREACH.
>> OKAY. I GUESS NEIL IS GOING TO DO IT.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO UPDATE THE BOARD AND ALSO SEEK YOUR DIRECTION TO MAKE AN EMERGENCY ACTION TO CLOSE A BREECH THAT HAS OCCURRED ON SUMMER HAVEN BEACH.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY.
A ZOOMED UP VERSION ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.
A BETTER VIEW OF IT RIGHT ON THE RIGHT.
THIS WAS A PHOTOGRAPH THAT WAS TAKEN DURING HURRICANE DORIAN I BELIEVE ON SEPTEMBER 3RD.
PROBABLY AROUND THAT 1:30ISH TIME.
YOU CAN SEE THE BREECH STARTING TO OCCUR FROM THE OCEAN.
-- BREACH STARTING TO OCCUR IN THE OCEAN.
TWO THIRDS FROM THE SOUTH HERE WHAT WE CALL IS THE 3500 BLOCK.
THE PHOTO ON YOUR RIGHT IS WHAT YOU SEE IS THERE WAS A LOT OF OVERWASH AND COLLECTION OF MATERIAL THAT HAS MOVED THROUGH THE RIVER AND BLOCKED PRETTY MUCH BLOCKED THE RIVER WITH NO FLOW DOWN THERE AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO FLOW OF THE RIVER ANYMORE.
WE KIND OF PHOTO IMAGED THIS TO SHOW THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL.
WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA YET BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN 30,000 TO 50,000 CUBIC YARDS.
YOU CAN SEE WE'VE PHOTO IMAGED THIS SECTION OR CHANNEL THAT'S BEGINNING TO OCCUR AND HAS BEEN VERY WELL ESTABLISHED NOW.
THIS IS A PHOTO FROM CLOSE BY OFF THAT CHANNEL SHOWING YOU THE BREACH JUST ON SEPTEMBER 9TH AND THIS HAS BEEN WIDENING AS WE SPEAK.
IN FACT, I WAS JUST TOLD AS OF THIS MORNING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER SMALLER BREACH THAT HAS OCCURRED NORTH OF THIS BREACH.
JUST SOME OF THE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION.
THE BREACH IS WIDENING AS WE SPEAK.
WE'RE SEEING -- WE'RE KIND OF MONITORING EVERY DAY AND WE SEE IT ERODING FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT.
WE HAVE TALKED TO DEP, THE PORT AND WATERWAY WHICH MANAGES THE RIVER IN THAT AREA.
THE DEP WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO COPERMIT THE PORCH PERMIT TO THE COUNTY SHOULD THE COUNTY WANT IT TO PLACE AN EMERGENCY REPAIR OR CLOSE THAT BREACH SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO GET RIGHT AWAY.
WE ALSO WANTED TO MENTION TO THE BOARD THAT ANY FUNDING THAT COULD BE DE-CLAIRED AS PART OF HURRICANE DORIAN WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET FALLING UNDER CAT C AND CAT G FALLS UNDER THIS EMERGENCY REPAIR.
SO ANYTHING WE DO TOWARDS THIS FALLS UNDER THE CAT C CAT G ALTHOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, PUT PER OUR CONVERSATIONS, ALL OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY IS IT CAN BE FULLY REIMBURSED AT A 75% RATE.
SHOULD THAT FUNDING COME THROUGH.
SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY COMMISSIONER IS TO ASK THE BOARD IF THE BOARD WOULD PROVIDE DIRECTION FOR US TO TAKE THE NEXT STEPS FOR ACCOMPLISHING THIS BREACH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM WE FEEL THE FIGURES WILL BE MORE TOWARDS THAT 300,000 FIGURE BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME CRAGGERS AND BIDS OUT THERE
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AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
>> IS THIS IN THE SAME VICINITY AS THE PREVIOUS BREACHES?
VERY CLOSE TO WHAT OCCURRED DURING POST MATTHEW BUT THIS IS A LITTLE SMALLER VERSION THAN WHAT MATTHEW CREATED.
>> THERE'S NO VEGETATION PLACED TO KEEP THE SAND FROM MOVING AS EASILY AS IT DOES COMPARED TO WHEN THERE IS VEGETATION ON IT.
IS THERE A MECHANISM FOR STABILIZING THE SOIL ONCE IT'S MOVED IF IT'S MOVED? WE WERE PLANNING TO PUT SEA OATS ON THAT BERM SO THAT'S A PROJECT THAT JUST RECENTLY WAS APPROVED.
MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM TODAY, THAT PROJECT -- ESTABLISH THAT AREA WITH SOME SORT OF VEGETATION.
>> BUT IT WAS NOT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PREPARED.
>> AND THAT'S GOT TO BE A SEPARATE PW FROM THE PERMIT ALLOWING THE SAND TO BE RELOCATED FROM ITS CURRENT WASHOUT.
WE HAVE -- I BELIEVE WE HAVE JOE G HERE.
TO DO SOMETHING DOWN THERE THAT WOULD FALL UNDER CATEGORY B WHICH COULD BE REIMBURSED DEPENDING ON ONCE THEY DO DECLARATIONS.
IT'S PERMANENT FOR DORIAN WE DON'T KNOW YET.
BUT AS NEIL SAID, THE PW FOR MATTHEW IS IN THE FINAL STAGES OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE LAST SET OF APPROVALS.
THE BOARD ALREADY APPROVED THE ACTION FOR US TO DO THAT PROJECT.
ONCE WE GET THE FINAL CLEARANCE WE'LL BE GOING FOR DESIGN.
SO? A NUTSHELL WE'VE FOLLOWED THIS PROCESS BEFORE.
>> BOTH TEMPLE RARE AND PERMANENT.
>> WE'RE ROUGHLY THREE YEARS AFTER MATTHEW.
STILL GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT IT'S IT'S JUST THE PROCESS THAT THE STATE ANTICIPATE FEDS REQUIRE US TO FOLLOW.
BECAUSE WE'RE IN THAT SITUATION IN OTHER AREAS OF OUR COUNTY WHERE WE HAD TO FOLLOW THE STATE OR FEDERAL REGULATORY PROCESS.
JUST GO THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES WHICH IS NEEDED.
>> ONE OF MY PRIMARY CONCERNS IS TO MAKE SURE IF POSSIBLE THAT WE REMOVE THE SAND AND SILT IN THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER THAT HAS BLOWN IN FOLLOWING THE BREACH PRIMARILY BECAUSE THIS SUMMER HAVEN RIVER I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF HERE BUT IT HAS A LONG HISTORY GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2008 WHERE THE INITIAL BREACH OCCURRED AND THE COUNTY WAS UNABLE TO SECURE IT.
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LET ME TELL YOU WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THAT SAND OUT OF THE RIVER.I HAVE HISTORY WITH THIS PART OF THE RIVER AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CREEK BASIN THERE'S A LOT OF FLUSHING COMES OUT INTO THE INTERCOASTAL AND IT GOES THROUGH THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CLOSING OF THAT RIVER HAD A VERY, VERY SERIOUS NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SEDIMENT BUILD UP IN BOTH THE INTERCOASTAL AND THE INLET.
AND SO IN MY OPINION THE STATE AND WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OVER THE LAST 20 TO 25 YEARS HAS SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PROVIDE BUFFERS TO PROTECT THE RIVER.
SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN LAND ACQUISITION HAS BEEN SPENT AND I CAN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SITTING IDLY BY AND WATCHING SUMMER HAVEN RIVER BECOME FILLED IN AGAIN AND DO NOTHING.
I THINK WE HAVE TO ACT IN MY OPINION AND MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN A HEALTHY RIVER AND HOPEFULLY THIS CAN BE REIMBURSED BY FEMA BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER, THE THAT I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO APPLIES MORE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE.
>> IN 2017, 2016, AFTER MATTHEW, WHEN THE THEY WERE DREDGING THE INLET THE GOAL WAS TO PLACE -- THE SUMMER HAVEN BEACH.
THEY STARTED NORTH OR REALLY MID NORTH AND SOUTH AND WHEN THEY RAN SHORT LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE QUANTITY THAT FAILED TO MAKE IT WAS TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN END.
>> BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DIRECTLY STATED.
WE HAVE BEEN CREATIVE IN OUR APPROACH IN THE PW THAT I REFERRED EARLIER WHICH IS THE POST MATTHEW PROJECT THAT IS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND FEMA.
WE PLAN TO DREDGE THE RIVER SAND AT LEAST THAT'S OUR GOAL TO PUT THE BERM HERE.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO GO OUTSIDE OFF SHORE OR TRUCK SAND FOR THAT PURPOSE.
OUR GOAL IS TO DO A 2-1 APPROACH.
FIST OF ALL IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE.
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I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYONE THIS AFTERNOON.>> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT ON THE SUMMER HAVEN JUST DREDGING THAT RIVER?
>> THE COUNTY SPECIFICALLY HAS NOT PROVIDED A LOT OF FUNDS.
>> HAS THE COUNTY SPENT ANY MONEY ON DREDGING SUMMER HAVEN?
>> AS FAR AS I CAN RECOLLECT, COMMISSIONER, NO, BUT I'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT ANSWER IS CORRECT.
>> AS FAR AS I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS NOT.
>> ALL THE FUNDING HAS COME FROM THE STATE; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> AND HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE WE DEALING WITH DOWN HERE IN SUMMER HAVEN.
>> THERE'S ABOUT 66 PROPERTIES THERE FROM THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY ALL THE WAY HERE AND I WOULD BELIEVE 75% OF THAT HAVE HOUSES.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 40ISH AMOUNT OF HOMES DOWN THERE.
>> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL ON THIS?
>> WE HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION -- THE COUNTY HAS A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WHICH PROVIDES THAT ESSENTIALLY A CATASTROPHIC EVENT SUCH AS A BREACH THAT THE COUNTY WILL MAKE.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS AT THIS MOMENT THAT AT LEAST PROCEEDING FROM THE SOUTH THAT A REASONABLE VEHICULAR ACCESS FOUR BY FOUR, THAT TYPE OF THING, MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.
I WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT DIALOGUE.
>> THE FIRST QUESTION WAS WHETHER THE COUNTY HAS A CONTRACTUAL OR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO PROVIDE TIMELY VEHICULAR ACCESS AFTER A CATASTROPHIC EVENT.
THAT IS IN THE COUNTY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT CROSS THE BREACH AREA SO PROPERTIES NORTH OF THE BREACH DO NOT HAVE THAT ACCESS I WOULD SAY SO I WOULD SLIGHTLY DEFER FROM WHAT PATRICK SAID.
THE ACCESS IS THROUGH A -- IT IS AVAILABLE.
>> THROUGH A FOUR WHEEL VEHICLE.
IT DEPENDS UPON THE HIGH TIDE.
>> NOT TO THE NORTH OF THE BREACH, CORRECT.
WE DO HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION ACCORDING TO THE SETTLEMENT THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE REASONABLE VEHICLE ACCESS TO THAT NORTH SIDE AS WELL.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
AND ACCORDING TO THIS YOU WON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH DEP IN EXTRACTING AND REPLACING THAT SEDIMENT THAT HAS COME OVER THAT BREACH AND INTO THE RIVER.
>> THROUGH THE EFO FROM THE STATE, EMERGENCY DECLARATION, AND THROUGH THE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY THAT THE BOARD HAS ADOPTED, ACCORDING TO DEP, WE CAN GET THE PERMIT FROM THE DEP TO ECHT TRACT THE SEDIMENT FROM THE RIVER.
WITHIN A DAY THEY SHOULD ISSUE.
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MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR A MOMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO I THINK COMMISSION THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION.
FOR THE NUMBER OF HOMES OR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES OUT THERE, I BELIEVE IT'S MORE ON THE ORDER OF ABOUT 24 OR 25.
>> I WAS THINKING THAT AS WELL.
THE LAST TIME IN 2016 IS WHEN IT WAS APPROPRIATED.
>> WE'VE NOT SPENT LOCAL FUNDS FROM OUR BUDGET ON THIS PROJECT.
>> NOT THE LAST TIME AS I SAID IT WAS FROM THE STATE.
>> IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL?
I THINK WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT INTERESTS IN THAT ONE AREA BUT THE RIVER I.T. HAS NOT HAD COUNTY DOLLARS SPENT ON THE DREDGING OF IT FOR PURPOSES OF DREDGING THE RIVER.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE USED FUNDING FOR THE ACCESS.
IT BENEFITS US AND OUR CITIZENS WITH ACCESS.
>> THERE'S NO QUESTION THESE PEOPLE NEED HELP.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE'VE INVESTED OF OUR TAX DOLLARS INTO THIS.
CAN I GET AN ANSWER ON THAT? I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT HERE BUT I WOULD LIKE A FOLLOW UP NOT SO MUCH WITH THE DREDGING BUT WHAT WE HAVE SPENT ON OUR BUDGET.
OBVIOUSLY THESE PEOPLE NEED HELP.
I'M CURIOUS HOW MUCH WE SPENT.
>> AND JUST FOR THE RECORD THERE WAS A PORTS AND WATERWAYS PROJECT.
THEY CLOSED THE BREACH INITIALLY.
WE PAID FOR THAT AND GOT A MAJORITY BACK.
>> SO THE BREACH -- MOBILIZED.
WE ASKED THEM TO CLOSE THE BREACH ON THE COUNTY.
WE WENT TO FEMA AND SAW REIMBURSEMENT.
THE PROJECT WAS OBLIGATED AND APPROVED.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF SUMMER HAVEN THE NAMING CONVENTION THERE THEY DENIED THE PROJECT BUT WE'RE IN AN APPEAL PROCESS WITH THEM RIGHT NOW TO GET THAT FUNDING.
THAT MEANS WE'LL GET HALF OF THAT.
12.5% CAME OUT OF COUNTY FUNDING TO CLOSE THAT BREACH LAST TIME.
THAT 350,000 IS COMING OUT OF OUR FUNDS.
WE NEED TO SORT OUT A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE SUMMER HAVEN -- HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN OF ACTION BUT AS YOU HEARD THE BREACH IS GETTING LARGER AS WE SIT AND IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION RELATIVELY SOON WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD HOLD FOR THE RIVER
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OR THE BREACH ITSELF.SO WE'VE SPECULATED AS A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I USE THE WORD SPECULATION DELIBERATELY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE MORE THAN 500,000 BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THE MAJORITY IF NOT ALL THAT MONEY BACK THROUGH FEMA BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT BUT SITTING HERE TODAY THE SITUATION IS GETTING WORSE AND NOT BETTER AND WE NEED DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD WHETHER YOU WANT US TO PURSUE THAT STRATEGY OF FILLING IN THE BREACH OR NOT.
LET ME PARAPHRASE WHAT I THINK I HEARD.
THERE WAS ALREADY A PLAN IN PLACE TO MOVE SAND AND THEY WERE ALREADY IN THE VICINITY OR PLANNING TO MOVE MATERIAL WITHIN THE RIVER.
>> THE PORT AND WATERWAY HAD GOT -- RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE STATE TO DREDGE THE RIVER AND THE DREDGE MATERIAL THE SEDIMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PLACED ON THE SUMMER HAVEN BEACH.
JUST BEFORE THEY BEGAN THE PROJECT MATTHEW CAME.
AND YOU HAD THE BIG MATTHEW BREACH BUT BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR WAS ON LOCATION WAS ON SITE WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH BOTH THE WATERWAY AND THE CONTRACTOR THROUGH THE PORT AND WATERWAY DISTRICT TO ESTABLISH THAT BREACH.
WE REIMBURSED THEM AND ALSO APPLIED TO GET THAT MONEY 87.5% BACK FROM FEMA.
THE FIST TIME IT WAS DENIED BUT WE HAVE FILED SUIT AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THAT AGAIN.
>> BASICALLY THE SAND WAS PLACED IN A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THE BREACH RATHER THAN SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED.
APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY IN DOING SO BUT THE REQUEST FOR THE REFUND IS IN APPEAL AT THIS POINT.
>> SO IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT APPROVED FOR RECEIPT.
WART AND WATERWAY TO SEEK THAT BREACH CLOSED IS IN APPEAL CORRECT BUT EARLIER WHAT I MENTIONED IS THERE IS ANOTHER PW POST MATTHEW FOR A ROADWAY PROJECT WHICH IS JUST ESTABLISHING A BERM WHAT WE CALL THE NOW EXISTING PATH OR ROADWAY WHICH IS A SAND ROADWAY.
THAT BERM IS AN APPROVED PROJECT BOUGHT BY THE BOARD AND FEMA THAT WE'VE STARTED TO DESIGN.
OUR OBJECTIVE IS RATHER THAN GETTING OFF SHORE SAND OR TRUCK SAND WE WOULD DREDGE THE RIVER TO PLACE IT SO WE WERE GETTING THE -- THAT MATERIAL RIGHT FROM THE RIVER FOR THAT PROJECT.
>> DOES THIS BREACH CHANGE THAT SCOPE OF WORK AND THE ASSOCIATED COSTS?
BUT WE'RE ASSESSING THE LOSS OF SAND DUE TO HURRICANE DORIAN.
THAT DOES SLIGHTLY INFLUENCE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR DR TEAM TO ESTABLISH THAT.
>> I'M TRYING TO COMPARE AND CONTRACT CONDITIONS IN MATTHEW VERSUS CONDITIONS TODAY.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACTOR TO DREDGE THE RIVER TODAY.
WE'VE GOT A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE ACCESS BUT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS LOCATION.
IT COULD BE FROM A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
ARMY CORPS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT HAS FOUGHT NATURE IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AS WELL AND WITH THIS LOCATION OF THE BREACH I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING MONEY WITH GOOD INTENT THAT WILL NOT ACHIEVE THE GOAL LONG TERM THAT THIS WILL BE A CONTINUAL PROBLEM WITH THE WEATHER PATTERNS THAT ARE FORECASTED FOR MANY YEARS TO CONTINUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT ALTERNATIVES ARE AVAILABLE OVER WHAT TIME PERIOD AND WHAT COST TO MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS OR CHANGE THE OBLIGATIONS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND NATURE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIN IF WE TRY TO BATTLE NATURE'S PLAN TO RUN THE WATER WHEREVER IT MAY RUN.
A KNEE JERK REACTION TO SPEND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR SO NOT KNOWING BECAUSE WE'RE IN DIFFERENT CONDITIONS WHETHER THAT WILL BE APPROVED.
THE CURRENT MONEY IS UNDER APPEAL AND IS NOT REIMBURSED AS OF TODAY.
IT'S A STATE PROCESS THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING.
WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.
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FUNDING ON A REGULAR BASIS TO CONTINUE TO PATCH THIS BREACH IF IT CONTINUES AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MAN HOURS PROCESSING PAPERWORK TO MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE TO MAINTAIN ACCESS RIGHT NOW TO FOUR HOMES.>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO STILL MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS, PROVIDE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF OUR RESIDENTS WITHOUT JUST PUTTING SAND BACK IN THE OCEAN IN A PLACE THAT IT'S NOT APPARENTLY WANTING IT TO STAY BY WHATEVER MEANS AND THAT'S NO KNOCK ON THE PEOPLE DESIGNING AND PROCESSING IT.
I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND NEGATIVE BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MANY FINGERS TO PUT INTO DIKES.
>> I RESPECT WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AND I APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S CLEARLY NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THE LONG TERM WITH EVERY NOR'EASTER WE HAVE OTHER PARTS OF OUR 42 MILES OF BREACHES THAT ARE EQUALLY CONCERNED THAT WILL COST TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO RESTORE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR ONE AREA WE HAVE TO REASONABLY EXPECT TO DO FOR THE OTHERS THAT ARE ALSO NEEDING THEIR BEACHES RESTORED OR RENOURISHED.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING WE CAN REPEAT IN THE OTHER AREAS EQUITABLY.
BEFORE WE START SPENDING MONEY HERE I WANT TO SEE OTHER OPTIONS THAT CAN BE REPEATED ALONG THE OTHER BEACH FRONT PROPERTIES EQUITABLY AND FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
I VERY MUCH APPLAUD WHAT YOU AND EVERYBODYING ELSE IS DOING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS.
BUT WE'RE FIGHTING NATURE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOSING BATTLE IN EVER ASPECT SO MATTER HOW HARD AND WELL MEANT LIT BE.
>> THERE IS A SCHEDULED 5:01 PM BUDGET HEARING FOR TONIGHT.
IF THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER EITHER OPENING THAT AND TEMPORARILY RECESSING THAT OR THIS MATTER THAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN DISCUSSING TO GO AHEAD AND KIND OF CONTINUE THIS ITEM, CONTINUE THE REGULAR RECESS THE REGULAR MEETING AND CONTINUE THIS UNTIL BOARD IS DONE WITH THE BUDGET IN OTHER WORDS I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD THAT YOUR BUDGET HEARING --
>> IF I MAY, I THINK WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD THE LAST 20 MINUTES IS MORE OR LESS JUST US SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE TAKE THE BUDGET UP NOW FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE AND THEN AS LONG AS WE WANT TO REMAIN AFTER THAT WE CAN.
>> WE GET BEAT DOWN AND DECIDE WE HAVE TO GIVE IT UP.
>> THE BUDGET HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
ADJOURNED. AND WE WILL REOPEN THEOTHER , RECONVENE THE REGULAR.
>> I WANT TO THANK JESSE FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS AND FOR THE ARABESQUE HE MADE IN LESS THAN 20 MINUTES, I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> I HAVE A WAY WITH THAT, WADE SCHROEDER HELPS M WITH THAT.
>> OKAY, BACK TO THE MIDDLE OF TREASURE BEACH MOTION. SUMMER HAVEN.
>> YOU LOVE TREASURE BEACH SO MUCH.
>> I WANT TO ASKLEGAL A QUESTION , I WANT TO KNOW, I ASKED EARLIER WHAT WAS HER, CURRENT LEGAL OBLIGATION BUT WHAT IS OUR EXPOSURE AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH THAT, SOME OF US MAY NOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT HAS.
BUT WE ARE OBLIGATED BY THAT TO DO AND WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME THAT TAKES AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT DEFINITION OF REASONABLE.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THIS MEANS, AND WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION OF THIS BOARD IN REGARD TO THAT MANDATE.
>> MR. SMITH, DURING THE PERIOD
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BETWEEN THIS ITEM BEING DISCUSSED AND NOW I HAVE AN ACTUAL COPY OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND I CAN READ THE APPLICABLE PORTION, IF A CATASTROPHIC WEATHER EVENT DESTROYS A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF ANY PART OF THE PAID OR UNPAID PORTION OF ONE DAY AWAY FROM BLOCK 6 TO 23, THAT IS BASICALLY FROM THE INTERSECTION OF A1 A UP TO .>> THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE OLD A1 A UP TO BLOCK 23 AND 23 IS WHERE THE SO-CALLED DRIVE UNDER HOUSE . I THINK MR. WHITE'S HOUSE.
THAT I BELIEVE IS NORTH OF THE BREACH.
NOW THAT'S IT IF A CATASTROPHIC EVENT OCCURS AND THIS IS THE GENERAL THING, THE COUNTY HAS TO MAKE TIMELY AND GOOD-FAITH MEASURES TO MAINTAINS TIME AND FAITH AND TO EXPLORE THE GREATEST CASSETTA POSSIBLES FROM BLOCK 66 TO BLOCK 23 AS EXISTED THE DATA SETTLEMENT AGREES SO THAT'S THE GENERAL CATASTROPHIC RIGHT THERE BUT THERE IS A PORTION IN THAT PARAGRAPH, THAT READS THE COUNTY ALSO AGREES THAT IT WILL PRIOR TO OBTAINING ANY STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDS.
PRIOR TO OBTAINING THOSE FEMA FUNDS OR WHATEVER FUNDS AND SUBJECT TO OTHER DEMANDS PLACED UPON THE COUNTY RESOURCES BY HIS CATASTROPHIC WEATHER EVENT THE COUNTY SHOW MAKE TIMELY AND GOOD-FAITH EFFORTS TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY TO KILLER ACCESS FROM ALL PROPERTIES FROM BLOCK 20, BLOCK 66 TO BLOCK 23 AND LOT 23 I BELIEVE IS THE WEIGHT ON HOUSE AND THERE ARE THREE OR FOUR PROPERTIES NORTH OF THAT SO THE REQUIREMENT IS TO GO TO THE BLOCK 23 HOWEVER, I THINK THAT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER IF YOU GOT THAT FAR, IT WOULD PROVIDE THE ACCESS I BELIEVE FURTHER NORTH THAN THAT.
BY USING ITS AUTHORITY OR BY USING ITS AUTHORITY UNDER THE JOINT COASTAL PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE REGULATORY IN THIS EFFORT RIGHT SO THE CRUNCH PART, TIMELY AND GOOD-FAITH EFFORTS TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THOSE PROPERTIES, BY USING ITS AUTHORITY UNDER THE JOINT COASTAL PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE REGULATORY LIMITATIONS IMPOSED ON THE COUNTY AND SUFFERED.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT OBLIGATION CONTROL OR WERE STAINED TO SOME EXTENT BY THE JOINT COASTAL PERMIT SO I THINK THAT IS IT IN A NUTSHELL AND I DO THINK THAT THE PORTION THAT IS SOUTH OF THE BREACH, SOUTH OF THE BREACH, SO FROM THE INTERSECTION TO THE BREACH, THAT WAS ALSO AFFECTED BY MATTHEW, ARMAND AND NOW DORIAN, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT IS TEMPORARY VEHICULAR ACCESS IS BEING RESTORED.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN A FAIRLY SOON TIME, A WEEK, TWO WEEKS SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR SOME VEHICULAR ACCESS WITH THE BREACH REASONABLY A THINK IT WILL TAKE SOME MORE TIME AND THERE WERE GOES TO GOOD-FAITH EFFORTS.
AND ALSO THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE COUNTY OBLIGATIONS WITH THE STORM AND THE JOINT COASTAL PLAN SO THAT'S SORT OF THE PARAMETERS HOPE I HAVE ANSWERED, YOUR QUESTION.
>> WELL, WHERE WE ARE THIS EVENING I THINK FOR STATUS REPORT, SUMMER HAVEN, IS WE HAVE SOME PRETTY SERIOUS NOR'EASTER'S COMING THIS WEEK AND POSSIBLY THIS WEEKEND IN THE TROPICAL STORM.
I THINK THIS CONSTITUTES IN MY MIND EMERGENCY.
I THINK IF WE DON'T ACT TONIGHT I THINK THAT A, THE ENTIRE RIVER COULD BE FILLED IN AND B THE BRIDGE COULD BECOME 3 TO 5 TIMES AS LARGE AS IT IS NOW.
AND SO I WOULD URGE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER ACTING TONIGHT AND I WILL SAY THAT IT WILL SERVE TWO PURPOSES.
IT WILL BILL WITH THE ACCESS OF
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COMMISSIONER SMITH AND I WILL DEAL WITH WHAT CONCERNS ME EQUALLY IF NOT MORE SO. THE FATE OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT FLOWING AND OPEN IN THE STATE JUST SPENT 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS TO ACHIEVE THAT.
AND YOU CAN SAY WELL, IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN AND RIVER WILL BE OUT THERE BUT THE TRUTH IS THE BREACH OCCURRED IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB FILLING THAT SOUTH END OF THE BIRD THE SOUTH END OF SUMMER HAVEN.
IN MY OPINION AND THEREFORE IF WE REMOVE THAT SAND, NOW, TO PUT BACK ON THE BERG AND THE CORN FIND IS GOING TO DO MAINTENANCE DREDGING THIS FALL AND THEY WILL MOVE THE SAND TO THIS AREA OF SUMMER HAVEN TO MAKE THIS BERM MUCH LONGER, THEN HOPEFULLY THERE WILL NOT BE OF RECURRING BREACH. EVEN WITH MORE STORMS SO I THINK WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY I THINK WE SHOULD ACT TONIGHT AND I THINK WE WILL ACCOMPLISH IF THE TWO PURPOSES I WILL ACCESS SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND STOP IT FROM WILLING IN WHICH IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN SO I WOULD MAKE THAT MOST.
>> ACHILLE TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
>> WHY WOULDN'T ALWAYS DO PUBLIC COMMENT BUT I WANT TO PUT A MOTION ON THE TABLE WE CAN REACT TO.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN I TAKE MY SECOND MY EMOTION.
>> WE WILL OPEN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
>> HELLO COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS WALTER 291 COVERAGE ROAD.
AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT SUMMER HAVEN.
NAVAN WATCHING IT AND MONITORING IT AND PHOTOGRAPHING IT FOR THREE YEARS OF PERSONS THE INCEPTION OF THE PROJECT.
AND TO BE RIGHT WITH YOU SUMMER HAVEN IS A COMPLETE DISASTER.
THE PROJECT WAS FULLY ENGINEERED AND POORLY EXECUTED AND THE RIVER IS NOT EVER GOING TO BE BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.
THERE ARE SOME FACTS THAT YOU ALL DON'T SEEM TO KNOW OR NOT PERFECTLY CLEAR ON.
THERE ARE FIVE HOUSES THAT ARE NORTH OF THE BREACH.
FOUR OF THEM SEEM TO BE BEING WORKED ON AT THE MOMENT AND 2 OF THEM ARE MR. WEITZEN TO HAVE THE RECENTLY GOVERNMENTS TO START WORKING ON AND CAN CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS UPHELD UNDER IT WHICH WAS WASHED INTO THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER AND THE MARSH OVER LAST WEEK.
THERE IS ONE THAT HAS NOT BEEN INSIDE FOR YEARS AND IT IS DROPPING DEBRIS IN ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND IS DEFINITELY A CODE VIOLATION OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ACTING ON THAT ONE.
THE CONDITION OF THE BEACH THERE IS TRAGIC.
THERE IS REBAR, THERE IS CONCRETE, THERE IS ASPHALT.
THERE IS EVERY KIND OF DEBRIS DOWN THERE.
THERE IS, YOU NAME IT. IT'S FALLEN THERE IS FALLOUT OF HOUSES AND INSULATION.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DONE PROPERLY THERE AND KIND OF LIKE THE WILD WEST.
THEY ARE DRIVING IN RIGHT NOW THIS MORNING DRIVING IN FROM THE SUMMER HAVEN FROM THE NORTH ENDTO GET TO THOSE HOUSES .
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS LEGAL OR NOT BUT THEY MOVED THE BARRICADE AND DROVE DOWN THERE.
THE COST OF THE PROJECT IS, I HAVE BEEN TO THE PORT BEAT MY WATERWAY DISTRICT AND THEY DO NOT TELL ME HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
THEY DON'T SEEM TO KNOW OR DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
I HAVE HEARD NUMBERS THROWN AROUND LIKE 3 1/2 MILLION AND THE RIVER ITSELF SHOWS NO SIGNS OF PROVING, THE THING, YOU CAN WADE ACROSS IT AND ANKLE-DEEP WATER AND I CAN WADE ACROSS IT SHOULDER HIGH WATER AT HIGH TIDE.
AND THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO PUT A RUBBER BACK.
THAT NATURE TOOK THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO BUILD.
AND A MAN CAN TAKE A FEW MILLION DOLLARS AND PUT IT BACK.
MY CONCERN WITH PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO IT WHEREVER IT CAME FROM, FEMA, STATE, YOU GUYS, IT'S ALL MONEY THROWN INTO THE OCEAN AND IT'S NEVER GOING TO STAY.
SEEING THAT MUCH, WE WILL CLOSE THE COMMENT.
>> WE HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THOSE HOMES.
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BUT NOT NECESSARILY ADDRESSING THAT.>> I WOULDN'T STATE IT EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
IT IS THE LANGUAGE IS RED BUT THE OTHER THAT IS THE OBLIGATION, IF YOU JUST READ THE VERY KEY PART.
AND THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY ALSO AGREES THAT IT WILLPRIOR TO OBTAINING ANY VARIABLE STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS , THERE'S NOT WAITING ON NOSE AND SUBJECT TO OTHER DEMANDS, PLACED UPON THE COUNTY RESOURCES BY SAID CATASTROPHIC WEATHER EVENT MAY PACK TIMELY AND GOOD-FAITH EFFORTS TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY VEHICULAR ACCESS TO ALL PROPERTIES TO BLOCK 66 TO 23, HE NOW LETS THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THE BREACH.
BY USING ITS AUTHORITY TO JOINT COASTAL PERFECT FOR PERMIT BY REGULATORY OPTIONS AND THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE AGREEMENT.
>> OKAY I GUESS I CAN ASK OTHER STAFF. IS THERE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE ACCESS PATH THAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE AVAILABLE TO THESE HOMES? RATHER THAN THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN REPLACED AND REPLACED?
>> COMMISSIONER CONSULTATION STAFF AND CONSULTANTS AT THIS POINT WE DON'T THINK THERE IS .
THERE'S A DECENT DROP FROM THE NORTHSIDE WE DON'T THINK IT IS MENTAL AT THIS POINT TIME SO A QUICK ACCESSED THE QUICKEST ACCESSES TO THE SOUTH.
STERGER, ARE WE LOOKING AT RESTORING THE RIVERWERE RESTORING ACCESS TO THESE HOMES? OR BOTH ?
>> I THINK WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT FILLING THE BREACH AND RESTORING ACCESS.
>> I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
>> ONE THING I WOULD TALK TO DARRELL ONLINE ABOUT THIS IS THERE COMES A TIME THAT YOU WE HAVE TO WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROJECT WAS DONE RIGHT AND IT DIDN'T WORK.
BUT WE NEED THIS STATE THIS YEAR WHO DID IT WILL DO IT BIGGER AND BETTER AND FOREVER CLOSE THIS WATER WOULD BE DONE WITH IT.
SO I AM ALL FOR TRYING TO FIX THE BREACH OF MOVING FORWARD THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE REACHING WITH WE ARE REACHING FORWARD WITH PUTTING THE MONEY TOWARDS? AND I THINK THERE ARE NORTH OF THE BREACH BUT IT'S TOUGH THAT WAY AND I HAVE BEEN BELZER CREEK AND ON PROPERTY BELZER CREEK WHEN IT COMES OUT IT GOES RIGHT UP TO THE OTHER SOME BASIC RIVER BUT THEY DIDN'T DREDGE AT THIS TIME, THE INTO THE SOFT PART OF THE RIVER DREDGE IN THE DID TO THE NORTH PART OF THE DREDGE.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHY THE STATE DIDN'T DO THAT.
>> IS NOT SAND ON THE SOUTH OF SUMMER CAMP BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PUT ANY ON.
>> THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE ENTIRELY DREDGED AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE DOING THAT RIVER OR JUST IN FRONT OF I CALL IT THE SANDHILLS.
>> THAT HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT WATERWAY PROJECT.
>> DIDN'T THAT COME FROM STATE LEGISLATURE ALSO?
>> AND THEY FUNDED WHAT WE JUST DID THEY FUNDED PRIOR TO US ?
>> THERE WERE TWO BUT APPROPRIATIONS AND ONE WAS THE 4 MILLION PORCH ASIAN AND OBVIOUSLY WE KNEW WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND THERE WAS ANOTHER APPROPRIATION BUT I DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT AND I BELIEVE THE MAGNITUDE OF 400 OR 700 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THAT'S A SECOND APPROPRIATION FROM THE STATE NAVY ALSO RECEIVED 350,000 FROM THE COUNTY IS CHOSEN TO USE PART OF THE 4 MILLION SO THEY HAD ANOTHER 900 OR SO TO DO AT THIS TIME SO YES THERE HAS BEEN TWO TIMES THAT IT'S BEEN DONE AND BOTH PROJECTS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE WATER AUTHORITY.
>> WHAT DID HE DID NOT INCLUDE WAS AN AUTHORIZATION OF FUNDS TO GO FOR THIS PROJECT SO I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND BY EMOTION TO AN AMOUNT UP TO $500,000 BUT HE ALWAYS SAYING IT MIGHT BE LESS THAN THAT.
>> I WOULD ALSO WANT TO ASK THAT YOU AUTHORIZE THE ADMINISTRATOR TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE AUTHORIZING IS NOT ONLY TO MOVE FORWARD BUT ALSO AUTHORIZES TO GET THE PROJECT DONE AND SINCE WE DON'T
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KNOW THE AMOUNT WE ARE ASKING UP TO HALF A MILLION WE THINK IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT.SO WE WANT AUTHORIZATION TO GO AHEAD AND BID OR NEGOTIATE THE BEST PRICE TO GET IT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> THAT WOULD BE MY DIRECTION TO ALL STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD AND SEEK THE BEST PRICE ON WHAT THE BREACH FILLED TYPE OF SAND FROM THE RIVER AND AUTHORIZED UP TO NOT TO EXCEED $500,000.
FROM THE APPROPRIATE RESERVE FUND.
>> BEFORE YOU LEAVE ADJUSTMENT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE $500,000 IS GOING TO DELIVER.
THE INTENT IS TO EXTRACT IN PLACE.
BUT IT IS MERELY TO FIX OR BREACH.
THIS IS NOT RESTORATION OF A RIVER, AND THIS IS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX A WHOLE.
>> IT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO ONLY RESTORE PART OF THE BRIDGE BREACH BUT NOT NECESSARILY TO RESTORE THE RIVER.
WE ARE EXTRACTING SEDIMENT FROM THE RIVER BUT SO MUCH SO THAT WE ONLY RESTORE THE BRIDGE.
>> WANT TO BE CLEAR, IT'S A PLACEHOLDER PROJECT SO WE CAN FILL THIS OUT.
>> WE HAVE ANOTHER STORM COMIN .
>> AND WE WILL HAVE TO WORK AROUND OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
UNDER THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION WE CANNOT WAIT 30 OR 60 DAYS FOR PRE-K PROCUREMENT.
>> WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME CAN YOU PROGNOSTICATE AT THIS POINT? I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO IT BUT GET ME AN ESTIMATE FORECAST OF A TIMEFRAME?
>> WE ARE HOPING TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT IN THE NEXT FIVE DAYS EARLIER.
>> MOBILIZATION WOULD BE TO INCLUDE WHAT?
>> WE ARE LOOKING AT FEW ESCALATORS, A BULLDOZER, TOBACCO AND POSSIBLY OFF-ROAD TRUCKS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS TO EXCAVATE IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> AND WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS A VERY FLUID SITUATION AND I MEAN THE LATEST ON THIS TRUCK THE FIRST THING THAT'S OUT THERE PROJECT TO BECOME LAW MORE BUT A LOT CAN CHANGE IN THIS COULD COMPLICATE THE SITUATION EVEN MORE AND IT'LL BE HERE BY THIS WEEKEND IF IT STAYS ON THE CURRENT TRACK. THE CURRENT SPEED SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY SOME FLEXIBILITY.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE THAT PASSES.
>> I THINK IF THE BOARD WANTS TO GO IN THE DIRECTION OF FOLLOWING THE BREACH FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACCESS WHICH IS WHAT OUR OBLIGATION IS, EVEN WITH THE STORM THATIS COMING OUR WAY , THIS GIVES US THE AUTHORIZATION FOR EMERGENCY MEASURE AND WITH FUNDING.
WE WILL AVERAGE THOSE FUNDS THE BEST WE CAN AND I SAID, THIS MAY PROVIDE DAMAGE OR AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL ALL IT STANDS OUT THERE AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE SITUATION. WE HAVE AT THAT TIME.
THE BOARD HAS GIVEN US TO REESTABLISH OUR OBLIGATION HERE.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY MY STRUGGLE WITH THIS IS A DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT BUT I THINK IT'S OBLIGATED.
THAT'S WHAT MY REAL TOIL IS I THINK IT IS A TERRIBLE INVESTMENT OF HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AT MAX AND NOT TO EXCEED BUT AT THIS POINT I HAVE A REAL ISSUE THAT I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE OF ACCOMPLISHING THE JOB AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID HERE AND REITERATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THE PAST PROJECT DID NOT SUCCEED.
THIS WAS THE A MAJOR CATASTROPHE AND STORM SO WE HAVE HAD A BREACH IN, I WOULDN'T CALL IT, MILDER CATASTROPHIC CATASTROPHIC CONDITIONS NOT CATASTROPHIC CONDITIONS BUT THE DREDGING AND THAT FILLS IT NOT DO IT, I HAVE NO COMPETENT AND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THREE WEEKS FROM NOW WE HAVE THE RESTORING THE NOR'EASTER ANY BREACHES AGAIN.
AND WE DISSED IT AWAY SO THAT'S WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH AND I WANT THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW IT'S A STRUGGLE FOR ME.
>> I THINK WE AREALL STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
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>> THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEAN'S EXPERTISE.
>> LET ME JUST SAY THIS. THIS SUMMER HAVEN RIVER RESTORATION MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A SUCCESS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THE REASON THAT IT WAS NOT A SUCCESS, IS NOT THAT IT WAS DESIGNED WRONG OR THE WORK WAS DONE WRONG, JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IT WAS DONE DURING MATTHEW AND IRMA AND IF YOU' SPEND SOME TIME AND MONTH BY MONTH WEEK BY WEEK AND LOOK AT THE FLOWCHART AND WHAT HAPPENED AND THE DIFFICULTIES THEY HAD AND THE HURRICANES HIT WE CAN DO THAT.
NOT TONIGHT BUT IWILL BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH WITH WITH THAT WITH YOU .
THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T A SUCCESS.
>> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER JOHN IS FOLLOWED CLOSELY.
>> I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SPENDING THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AFTER THESE HOMES. THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE.
SECOND BEST WOULD BE IMPROVING THE MONEY BUT NOT STARTING UNTIL THIS NEXT HOME PASSES BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LITMUS TEST OF WHAT WE WILL EXPERIENCE ANYWAY .IF YOU TRY TO GET OUT THERE AND PUT SAND IN THE BREACH NOW, YOU HAVE ANOTHER NOR'EASTER THAT JUST WATCHES AWAY WE WILL HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION SOME NUMBER OF DAYS OR WEEKS DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE SAME SITUATION IF HE CAN'T GET BUILT HIGH ENOUGH AND LONG ENOUGH TO PERMANENTLY RESOLVE IT AND BASED ON THE TIME IT TAKES GOVERNMENT TO DO THINGS AND NOT A KNOCK ON GOVERNMENT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE NEXT NOR'EASTER HITTING AND YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY'S EQUIPMENT OR IN HARM'S WAY FOR SOMEONE TO FILL THE BREACH PART WEIGHT ONLY TO HAVE IT REACH PARTWAY AGAIN.
I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO FIX IT SO IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO GET WORSE.
BUT UNLESS IT IS VEGETATED SO THE SAND DOESN'T VEGAN KATE AWAY OR SOME MONTHS AWAY FOR THE WEATHER PATTERNS WE WILL HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXACT NAME SPOT AND I'D RATHER SPEND THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FINDING AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE PATH TO THE HOMESTEADER HAVING AND THE ONES NONCOMPLIANCE NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED AND WE NEED TO SOME FIND SOMEBODY LEGALLY EXTRICATE NOT TO PROVIDE A PATH TO A HOME THAT DOES NOT NEED OUR OWN REGULATIONS FOR SAFE HABITATION. THAT'S MY PRESENCE.
AS IS STATED RIGHT NOW WE CANNOT ROOT FOR THIS BECAUSE WE ARE FILLING TAXPAYERS MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN FROM AN ENTIRE COUNTY. NOT FROM JUST THE FORD, FIVE OR HOW MANY PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THIS AND WE HAVE $350 MILLION IN PREFERRED MAINTENANCE AND AT LEAST 15 MILLION COULD GO TOWARD 5 PERCENT OF THAT AND VERSUS THE 42 MILES THAT HAS CONCERNS OVER IT.
IF IT WASN'T SAND AND WATER AND WIND IT WOULD BE A WHOLE CONVERSATION THAT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NATURE. WE WILL LOSE THE BATTLE. WE CONFIDED BUT WE WILL NOT WIN THE BATTLE. NO MATTER HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS AT ONE TIME IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU, THE EXPERTS TRY TO DO MOTHER NATURE WILL DO WHAT MOTHER NATURE DOES UNLESS WE PUT UP CONCRETE EMBANKMENTS.
AND KEEP THAT THING SWEPT CLEAN BY A ANOTHER BASIS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT CONTROL AND IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW TO DO THAT.
I CANNOT SUPPORT SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY AS IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED WITHOUT DUE RESPECT.
EDWARD WEATHERS BEEN THE MONEY THAT WE CAN FIND ALTERNATIVE MEANS TO LEGAL OBLIGATIONS.
AND LET THE PROPERTY OWNERS CHOOSE TO ACCESS PROPERTY AS THEY CHOOSE TO SPEND MONEY TO DO SO.
SO THIS POINT WAS RAISED WHETHER TO DO THIS NOW OR AFTER THE STORM, DO YOU HAVE A POINT ON THAT?
>> WILL IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT WEATHER AND WHAT HAPPENS ONE.
BUT THERE'S NO ACCESS POINT AND IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.
WILL TAKE ABOUT 3 TO 4 DAYS AND IF THE BOARD APPROVES IT TODAY BY THE TIME WE CAN GET IT PERMIT IT WILL TAKE US TODAY WE WILL START THE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH DEP AND BY THE TIME WE SPEND INFORMATION REQUEST 245 CONTRACTORS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS AND GET THAT BACK IMMOBILIZED.
WITH ALL THE EFFORTS AND TIME AND EFFORTS UNDERTAKEN, IT WILL LITERALLY TAKE US 3 TO 4 DAYS.
THAT IS ON SUNDAYS SO HOW IT INTERSECTS WITH THE STORM AND
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OBVIOUSLY, I JUST GOT THE INFORMATION MYSELF HOW IT COINCIDES WITH THAT.>> I WOULD SAY COMMISSIONER, I'M LOOKING AT THE CURRENT TIMELINE.
AND IF IT IS ON TOP OF THE SIP IT HOLDS ON SOME SO NEIL IS NOT COMING BE ABLE TO GET OUTTHERE BEFORE THAT HAPPENS .
WE DO HAVE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS HERE ANGULAR STANWOOD COMMISSIONER DEAN'S SET AS WELL AS WE HAVE TWO HURRICANES THAT AFFECTED THE PROJECT AND LINDSAY'S PROJECTS ARE PUT IN PLACE AND THE TWO MAJOR HURRICANES HAVE AN EFFECT.
AND WE ARE NOT FIRST PART OF THE COUNTRY OR STATE THAT HAD SIMILAR PROBLEMS WE HAD TO ADDRESS.
SO I WILL CONTINUE THE SECOND MOTION, IF COMMISSIONER DEAN IS MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
I DON'T WANT TO DRAG IT OUT BUT BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE, THE REQUEST WE WOULD ASK IF YOU WANT US ON BOARD IS SIMPLY, WE DISCUSSED WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH FORGET IT IS A PATCH OF THAT EXISTING BREACH.
THE MORE PERMANENT FIXES WITH PERMANENT WHETHER THAT IS THE RIGHT WORD TO USE APPROACHES TO THIS, ARE FORTHCOMING, IT IS SANDS THAT WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY DOWN THERE.
PAND IN THIS CASE IT WILL BE TH ARMY CORPS WORKING IN JUDGING THE INTERCOASTAL AND HAS THIS AREA AS A SPOILT LOCATION WITH THAT SAND THEY DREDGE WE WILL WORK WITH THEM AS ADVANTAGEOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO AND THEN THERE IS OUR FEMA PROJECT TO REFERENCE EARLIER THAT WE ARE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD EVEN THOUGH THE ORIENMUST'VE WE HAD PLANNED BUT THAT PROJECT IS ON THE HEELS UNTIL THERE ARE PROJECT IN THIS AREA THAT TELL YOU THAT IS WHAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD RISK COMING TO THE FOURTH TWO ASK FOR TEMPORARY MEASURE BECAUSE WE COULD PUT ON A BAND-AID WHILE WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THESE BETTER OPTIONS OUT THERE.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M WAFFLING BUT THE STORM IMMINENT THAT HAS A DRAMATIC IMPACT ON MY DECISION.
WITH FIND LANDING TO HAVE A SOURCE OF SAND THERE SHOULD BE UP SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER AMOUNT NO MATTER WHAT THE BREACH LOOKS LIKE.
WHY NOT WAIT ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR WEEKS FOR THE ALREADY PREAPPROVED PROJECTS BY AFTER INSTEAD OF SPENDING SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BACK OUT. BUT THE APPROVED PROJECT FILL THE BREACH IN OCTOBER.
IT WOULD GIVE US A FEW WEEKS TO SOUND FINE WITH THIS NOR'EASTER DOES . IT DOES NOT ELECT WE KNOW IT WILL GET BIGGER AND WATER WASHING THROUGH GETS IT WIDER OR DEEPER.
RATHER THAN PUT 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS IT RIGHT AFTER THE STORM, THAT IS ENOUGH MONEY BECAUSE IT IS GETTING BIGGER AT THE STORM WHETHER IT IS TROPICAL OR NOT.
IS WILLEY ROAD THE BEACHES AND THAT'S WITH THESE NOR'EASTER'S DO.
OUT OF RESPECT, ASK THE BOARD TO WAIT FOR THIS PROJECT TO FILL THIS BREACH? IS THAT LEGALLY COVERING US TO DO WHAT IS REASONABLY BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE DON'T WANT TO PUT PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY THE STORM COMING UP SO THAT WILL DELAY US AT LEAST A WEEK AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND ANALYZE IT AGAIN WHICH COULD TAKE A FEW MORE DAYS.
THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH YOU ARE PROPOSING TO GET A CONTRACT IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS WILL CHANGE BEFORE THEY ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE STORM.
THERE WASN'T ANY STORM, THE CONDITIONS WOULDN'T CHANGE SO DRAMATICALLY SO YOU HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND ANALYZE AGAIN. IF WE PROVIDE THE ACCESS IN A MONTH VERSUS 2 1/2 WEEKS, ARE WE MEETING OUR OBLIGATIONS? AND IN THE MEANTIME LOOK FOR A MORE ALTERNATIVE PATH AT THE SAME TIME?
>> COULD WE GET THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE?
>> COMMISSIONER THERE IS ALSO A VIDEO THAT REALLY ILLUSTRATES THE VIDEO AND I THINK I WISH WE SHOULD SHOW THAT SIR, DO YOU HAVE THAT? I THINK IT IS OKAY WITH THE BOARD I OUGHT WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK. IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT TIME IS THE ESSENCE.
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>> IN THAT HOUSE THAT YOU SEE TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE SCREEN OR TWOTHIRDS OF THE WAY UP I THINK THAT IS THE BLOCK 23.
>> IS THAT THE FIRST ONE? BLOCK 23?
>> NEIL MIGHT KNOW BETTER THAN ME.
>> SO I THINK THE POINT THAT THE VIDEO IS SHOWING BECAUSE I AM NOT AN ENGINEER IF WE RULE OUT THE CONDITION OF THE LAST MONTH OR SO THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT CAN HAPPEN SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ESTABLISHING ANY ACCESS INCLUDING PUTTING A MEASURE IN PLACE NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.
>> RIGHT AND THERE MIGHT BE ONE HOUSE BEFORE THE 23 BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE ONE HOUSE BEFORE THE 23.
BUT IT'S UP IN THAT DIRECTION.
>> WHAT WOULD IT COST TO OFFER BY THE PROPERTY? HAVE WE LOOK AT THAT IN THE PAST? I DON'T WANT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL OF THE PERSON'S PROPERTY IF THEY ARE LIVING THERE.
>> WE HAVE UTILIZED GRANT FUNDING TO OUR PROPERTIES.
>> MY QUESTION MR. NEAL WAS RELAYED YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU ESTIMATED 30,000 CUBIC YARDS SO WOULD THAT MAKE A DENT INTO THE RIVER? ?
>> WE THINK AND THERE IS NOT EXACT NUMBERS THAT WE KNOW BUT THERE IS 30 TO 50,000 IN HERE.
WE BELIEVE THERE IS ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 30,000 AND GROWING IN THIS BREACH.
>> I MEAN THE WHOLE RIVER TO THE SOUTH IS SANDHILL RIGHT?
>> THE WHOLE RIVER I WOULD SAY GOING TO THE SOUTH AND AS A FLOW ESTABLISHES AND YOU KEEP PUSHING IT TO THE SOUTH.
>> WE WOMEN HAD BEEN DID IT WE ARE NOT SOLVING THE RIVER ARE WE?
>> NOT WITH THIS EXCAVATION YOU'RE NOT SOLVING IT BUT THE PERSIANS IS TO FILL THE BREACH HERE.
IS THE GOAL.ND WE ARE ESTIMATED ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 30,000 CUBIC YARDS AND THE MOST EFFICIENT THING WE SAID WAS TO GET THE SEDIMENT TO HEAR TO FILL IT BACK WHERE IT WAS BEFORE AND THAT'S THE POINT TO AVOID OUR STATE EMERGENCY STATE FTP IS ALLOWING US FULL PERMIT FOR THE PORTLAND WATERWAY AND THE IMPORTANT WATERWAYS ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE REGULAR PERMIT TO DREDGE THE RIVER IN THIS AREA AND PUT IT HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY HAVE SO WE HAVE A CALL PERMIT IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO THIS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] I APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTION AND THEN COMMENT IT'S REASONABLE. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.AND AS AN ASIDE LET ME SAY THIS FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I AM REALLY, I GUESS SOMEWHAT PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THE FIVE OF US CAN DISCUSS VERY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS AND COMPLEX ISSUES AND VERY CIVIL MANNER AND RESPECT EACH OTHER.
I'M REALLY HAPPY. IT COULD BE WORSE.
I'VE SEEN COMMISSIONS A LOT WORSE. HAVING SAID THAT.
I REALLYTHINK THAT WE DO HAVE , I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND I THINK WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY OF A CRITICAL NATURE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT QUADRATIC EQUATION THAT COMES INTO PLAY HERE BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A DAM BREAK AND I THINK MR. SMITH HAS PROBABLY SEEN THIS IN FARMING ACTIVITY, THAT CAN BE EXPONENTIALLY INCREASED OVER TIME AS HE GETS BIGGER.
AND THEREFORE I THINK IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE ACT AND REACT TONIGHT TO TRY TO GET THIS BREACH BILL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IF WE MAY NOT HAVE ANOTHER STORM.
BUT WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VARIABLES GOING. WE HAVE NOT ONLY A TROPICAL STORM BUT I'M SURE THESE NORTHEASTER'S ARE NOT JUST GOING TO STOP THERE ON THEIR WAY HERE.
BY UNCONCERNED TIMES OF THE ESSENCE. SO I SAY WE HAVE A MOTION OR SUGGEST WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE. BUT THAT IS MINE.
>> IN LESS THAN A MINUTE CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME HOW FAR THIS SAND HAS GONE DOWN TO THE SOUTH TOWARD THE BRIDGE AND WHERE DOES THIS WATER GO THROUGH THIS BREACH NOW?
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>> LET ME SEE IF, I WOULD SAY AS OF YESTERDAY AND WE HAVE ASKEDHIM TO GO HERE TODAY , THIS IS FILLED UP AS YOU KNOW AND THE BRIDGE IS OPEN I WOULD SAY ABOUT HERE.
IS WHERE THE TAIL END OF IT IS AND DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING?
>> [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT HAPPENED BUT MUCH SMALLER, SAME LOCATION.
IN THIS ISLAND HAD BEEN AN EVEN RATTLESNAKE ISLAND THE NATIONAL MONUMENT.
ALSO REACHED HURRICANE DORA AND AFTER THAT IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SHEEP [INAUDIBLE] BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY MIGRATING LAND EVALUABLE ISLAND THAT IS EVERY TIME YOU ARE NEAR THE STORM IN THE WATER THE SHORELINE MOVES WEST SO THE WHOLE ISLAND IS GONE.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AND THE 2008 BREACH THOSE WILL REMEMBER WE HAVE THE SALT AIR IT IS 4000 FEET NORTH OF DISLOCATION.
SO NOW WHERE DOES SAND GO IS THE QUESTION? IT IS GOING ALONG THE RIVER THE BIG DEPOSITOR IN THE RIVER FROM THERE ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET OR SO THAT DISTANCE, GIVE OR TAKE.
THAT WAS THE EXCAVATED RESTORATION PROJECT.
SO I'M GOING TOGUESS ABOUT THE SAME TIME ? LIKE WE SAID TYPICALLY THESE THINGS IF YOU HAVE THIS WEATHER AND WE ARE TAKING EIGHT BREACH THAT WE HAD IN INLAND WE DID NOT MAKE IT AND THEN IT CAME PRETTY BIG.
THEN THIS WHOLE SLUG OF SAND MAYBE 300 OF SAND AND THEN IT CLOSED UP.
SO IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BUT I WOULD SAY THE CHANNELS ARE PROBABLY TY HIGHER FEE DON'T DO SOMETHING AND THE VIDEO IN THE STORM I THINK IT'S GOING TO FILL UP SOME.
IN TERMS OF HAVING SUCCESS AND LESS TIME TO MOVE [INAUDIBLE]
>> COMMISSIONER, YOUR QUESTION.
I THINK THE VIDEO WAS READ AT THE POINT AND MIGHT GIVE YOU THE PERSPECTIVE YOU LOOKING FO , SURFING YOU TURN AFFECT WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING?
>> ABOUT HOW LONG IS THIS RIVER?
>> OKAY SO A MILE AND 3/4 OR SO.
WHERE WE LOOKING AT THIS, MY THING IS I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE VALUE OF ANYONE'S PROPERTY BUT THE BIG PICTURE I FAMILY HOPES TO RETIRE HERE AND BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND A CLEAN CONSCIENCE WHATEVER DECISIONS WE MAKE ON THIS OR ANYBODY ELSE'S.
I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE THAT FOR WAS COMPLETELY UNDERWATER CENTURIES AGO AND THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS SEE LEVELS ARE RISING AND THE LOWEST POINTS IN SAN AUGUSTINE AND OTHER AREAS WILL CONTINUE TO GET MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN.
IF THIS IS ALLOWED TO BREACH AND LET NATURE TAKE ITS COURSE, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT IT WILL COMPLETELY SEAL OVER IN THIS AREA AND YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOT MORE SANDY BEACH BECAUSE THE RIVER IS GONE AT LEAST A PORTION, MAYBE NOT THE ENTIRE TWO MILES AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE BOAT ACCESS TO THESE PROPERTIES BUT THESE PROPERTIES MAY WIND UP WITH MORE SAND ON THEIR BREACH WITHOUT THE RIVER GOING BEHIND IT.
AND I AM NO HYDRAULIC EXPERT BUT I HAVE SEEN THAT OVERTIME HAPPEN ANA SANDOVAL OR SCALE I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT BUT I'M BRINGING IT UP IS A POSSIBILITY AND I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH MONEY AND HOW OFTEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP NATURE FROM DOING WHAT'S TRYING TO DO AND HOUSE ALREADY DONE REPEATEDLY IN THREE YEARS? THAT IS MY CONSTERNATION AND I BRING THAT OLD UP AS AN OPEN QUESTION AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE SOMEONE'S RIVERFRONT PROPERTY.
BUT HOW MUCH CAN WE SPEND ON TWO-MILE SECTION OF 42 MILES, I KNOW IT IS BEACH BUT IT IS THERE.
>> YES IT IS ABOUT 2000 I THINK.IN 1999 WE HAD THE BIG STORM WHICH WE HAD A LOT OF DAMAGE AND 1999 WITH TWO IN THE
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LAST 20 YEARS THINK WE HAD NO THREE BREACHES.BECAUSE TROPICAL EIGHT STORM FAY WAS 2008 2016 AFTERMATH YOU AND NOW WE SAID IN ABOUT 20 YEARS THREE BREACHES SO AT LEAST FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS.
>> ANOTHER WAY IS IT IS GETTING MORE FREQUENT. DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT STATISTICS.
>> WHICH WE ASK THIS QUESTION BE FROZEN BECAUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS A MOVING TARGET BUT THE LAST I SAW YESTERDAY WAS IT HAD MOVED TO ABOUT HERE AND CAN YOU TAKE THE BABYOUT HERE.
SO IF YOU SEE THIS WAS A COUPLE DAYS FOR THREE DAYS AFTER THE STORM THE WHOLE RIVER WAS BLOCKED AND IF YOU SEE THE BREACH OPENING UP AND COMMISSIONER, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BACK ONE, AS FAR AS YESTERDAY I SAW A MIGRATION OF HERE AND THE BRIDGE WAS OPENING UP AND PUSHING OUT SO IT'S A MOVING TARGET BUT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THIS AREA IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SAND HERE.
>> SARAH CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WITH THE ARROWS FOR ONE MOMENT.
THE OTHER ONE THAT SHOWS THE BEACHES AND THE HOUSES.
YEAH OKAY THIS IS JUST TO CLARIFY THIS IS 23 HERE. SO THIS IS GOING FROM THE SOUTH UP TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS WHERE THAT LANGUAGE I HAD REVISED TO THAT IS 23.
>> AND THERE ARE I BELIEVE THREE HOUSES NORTH OF 23.
>> SPEND UP TO $500,000 ON THIS BREACH ONE TIME PREFERABLY AFTER THE STORM AND LOOK AFTER IT FROM THERE.
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>> OKAY WE WILL NOW HAVE COMMISSIONER REPORTS.
>> I HATE TO SAY WE WERE EARLIER THAN WE WERE LAST TIME.
>> I THINK I WILL PASSTHINK WE DISCUSSED EVERYTHING WITH NUDE TO.
>> COMMISSIONER? ONLY THING I HAD WAS AS LONG AS WE ARE SKIPPING IT. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR HARD-WORKING THE HURRICANE DORIAN.
>> ESPECIALLY RIGHT HERE OFTENTIMES FIRST RESPONDERS ARE THE HEADLIGHT AND AS EVERYONE SEES THEM AND THAT'S LIKE YOU SEE BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES.
DOING A GREAT JOB FOR THE COUNTY AT OUR PRESENCE SO I APPRECIATE IT. SO ADMINISTRATORS.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT COMMISSIONER. ALL I WANTED TO SAY WAS I'M RESPONSIBLE THAT ENSURING THAT THE END OF EACH PHYSICAL YEAR THERE ARE NO FUND BALANCES OR NEGATIVE NUMBERS AND JESSE AND I WORK REAL HARD FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DIRECTORS TO BRING THAT INTO ZEROS WHEN WE THINK THAT IS BLACK.
THIS LESSON EXPENDITURE DUE TO THE STORM JUST LIKE IRMA AND MATTHEW DOES THAT OFFKILTER AND WHAT WE DO UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE IS SOMETIME PROBABLY NOVEMBER WE WILL BRING YOU BACK A RECONCILIATION ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SPEND IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE BUDGETED.
BUT NONETHELESS WE HAVE A RECONCILIATION PROCESS WITH THE BOARD SOMETIME.
>> MR. CHAIR, AS THE BOARD KNOWS THE CHAIR HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE CORPORATION SEPTEMBER 5 ATTAINING TO A CERTAIN PROPOSAL I INTEND TO JUST GIVE A BRIEF RESPONSE TO THE LETTER.
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ESSENTIALLY FOCUSING ON THE BOARDS UPCOMING HEARING ON THE MATTER THAT WILL BE BASED ON THE APPROPRIATE CRITERIA FOR ITS LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS.IS THERE A MOTION OF THE BOARD AFTER I HE IS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY I INTEND TO GET A BRIEF RESPONSE.
>> I WANTED TO ADD TO MY PRIOR COMMENT, THEY DON'T APPLY TO BOARD AS WELL AS CONSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY EXTEND AS WELL.
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