Dec 02, 2024 Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board

[Call meeting to order]

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ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING OF THE PONTEVEDRA ZONING ADJUSTMENT BOARD, AND START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

ARE GOING TO START WITH THE READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE

STATEMENT. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING . THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK SHOULD DO SO BY FILLING OUT AN ASSIGNMENT SHEET IN THE FOYER. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING DURING WHICH EACH ITEM LENGTH OF TIME DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKER SHALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS ARE TO OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY.

AS ONE, IT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY AND FUTURE TESTIMONIES. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL THE DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, EACH PERSON NEEDS A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAKE SURE THE VERBATIM RECORD THE APPEAL IS BASED. ANY PHYSICAL DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, WRITTEN STATEMENTS PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION TO THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD AGENCIES, COMMITTEES, ET CETERA FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE APPEAL. ANY AGENCY MEMBERS WILL REMAIN -- WILL BE REMINDED WITH EACH ITEM TO STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH AN APPLICANT A PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEMS OUTSIDE THE FLOOR OF THE AGENCY. IF COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PRUDENCE INVOLVED IN THE MATERIAL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS.

WE WILL RESPECT EACH OTHER. EVEN IF WE DISAGREE WE WILL

AVOID PERSONAL TAX. -- ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA TODAY

[1. MAJMOD 2024-08 Ponte Vedra Lakes Boutique PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the T.B.D of Ponte Vedra Planned Special Development (ORD. 1998-34) to incorporate the property into the Ponte Vedra Lakes Boutique Planned Unit Development (ORD. 2019-78) to allow for a unified design. The subject property is located west of A1A N and south of Marlin Ave, specifically located between 170 and 190 A1A N.]

GUESS. >> AM FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. I

HAVE NOT TALKED TO ANYONE. >> I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

I DID SUBMIT AN EMAIL REQUESTING CLARIFICATION FROM THE COUNTY ABOUT THE TIMELINESS OF THE PUD.

>> I DID NOT TALK TO ANYBODY OR VISIT THE SITE.

>> AM ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH

ANYBODY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, DOUG BURNETT, SAINT LAW -- ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP. SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT IS A VOLUNTEER JOB. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO DO IT AND I CAN TELL YOU IS SOMEONE WHO IS ABSOLUTELY DEPENDENT ON FOLKS LIKE YOU ALL SHOWING UP TO DO YOUR CIVIC DUTY, I APPRECIATE IT, MY CLIENT APPRECIATES IT. NOT BEING HERE TODAY WOULD CAUSE A DELAY AND SCHEDULING ISSUES FOR MAYBE COUNTY STAFF AND THE LIKES WILL WANT TO START WITH SAYING THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THIS MAP IS MORE OF ONE THAT IS USUALLY IN TUNE FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSION JUST TRYING TO ORIENT THEM TO THE SITE AND LOCATION. OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS KNOW WE ARE IN PONTE VEDRA. TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT AN AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE THE FORMER GATE GAS STATION WAS WHICH IS NOW BEEN RELOCATED TO THE SOUTH, AND WHERE GATE USED TO

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A LOT OF US WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY THOMPSON, BARTLETT AND DIEHL, THE LAST NAMES ARE THEIR INITIALS AND THAT IS A PSD APPROVED BACK IN THE 98 TIME PERIOD BUT THOSE FOUR TOGETHER KIND OF LAID OUT IN THIS SHAPE HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS ORIGINAL DRAWING AND IF WE SKIP FORWARD FROM THAT, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO TAKE THE TWO ON THE LEFT, TWO SOUTHERN PARCELS, AND COMBINE THEM. WHAT YOU WILL SEE KEY HERE IN THIS DRAWING IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER AS THERE IS NO INTERCONNECTIVITY AND BOTH HAVE ACCESS TO A1A. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED PLAN, AND OTHERS THE PROPOSED SITE AND YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A1A.

WHAT WE ARE BASICALLY DOING, BECAUSE THE PSD , THE ONE ON THE LEFT ARE THE ONE ON THE FAR SOUTH, IS EXPIRED, WE HAVE COME BACK IN WITH AN ACTIVE PUD TO MODIFY IT TO ABSORB THE PSD PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, MAKE IT ALL ONE P UD. PUD TAX MAINTAINS AND KEEPS THE SAME USES IN IT, THE PERMITTED USES, THE PROHIBITED USES, AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT IS IN THEIR FOR THOSE USES , OUR MAJOR MODIFICATION PUD THAT IS IN YOUR LANGUAGE TODAY MAINTAINS THE IDENTICAL PERMITTED USES AND IDENTICAL PROHIBITED USES AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THEIR -- WHAT IS PROHIBITED IS A FUNCTION OF BEING NEGOTIATED WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS BACK IN 2017, 2018, 2019 WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER. IN FACT, THOSE GENTLEMEN ARE HERE TODAY SEATED TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE ROOM SO I MADE SURE TO POINT OUT WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE PERMITTED OR PROHIBITED USES IN THIS PROCESS. LOOKING AT OUR PUD OF WHEN IT WAS APPROVED , MR. PATTON, I KNOW YOU ARE HERE BACK IN THAT TIME FRAME. WHEN YOU LOOK BACK IN THAT TIME FRAME OF HOW IT WENT THROUGH APPROVAL, THE ORIGINAL ST. AUGUSTINE LAKES, IT RECEIVED A 4.0 APPROVAL AT TV ARC AND IT RECEIVED A 4.0 APPROVAL HERE.

AND IT WAS A 5-0 APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT IN 2019. IF I FOCUS JUST ON THIS PROPERTY BOUNDARY, WHAT IS THERE TODAY THAT IS ALLOWABLE, ON THE RIGHT IS THE EXISTING PONTE VEDRA BOUTIQUE PUD. THERE IS THE EXPIRED PSD. NOTABLY, IN THIS THERE IS NO CONNECTIVITY. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PROJECT NOW, WE DO HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THESE TWO SITES, AND I THINK WOULD ALSO IS IMPORTANT AS THERE IS NO DUMPSTER. JUST AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, ONCE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN SIZE BUILDING USE,

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LOOKING AT OUR SITE PLAN AND JUST FOCUSING IN ON THE SITE PLAN A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN SEE THE ONE ACCESS POINT ON THE RIGHT. WE DO PROVIDE FOR POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE ARK. I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THIS IN A MOMENT TO SHOW YOU THE VALUE OF GOING TO MULTIPLE BOARDS ALONG THIS PROCESS BECAUSE THE SITE DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME BETTER. PONTE VEDRA ZONING REGULATIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THERE, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND CRITERIA, IT LIMITS THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDER AND ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, OUR BUILDING, I WILL TELL YOU WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANY WAIVERS TO OUR APPLICATION FROM WHERE IT WAS BEFORE AND WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED OTHER THAN A WAIVER AT RELATED TO THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHY THAT IS. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PUD, YOU CAN SEE THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING EXCEEDS THE LIMITATION OF THE CODE. WE ARE GOING TO A 285-FOOT-LONG BUILDING. THIS WAS NOT REJECTED BY PD ARC AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHY AND THIS IS THE WAIVER WHICH WE HAD INTO THE PDB IF YOU ARE CURIOUS BUT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR THOSE WHO TRAVEL UPON DAVITA -- PONTE VEDRA AREA FREQUENTLY, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF GOOD ARCHITECTURAL FACADE WITH FENESTRATION NOT JUST IN THE FRONT ELEVATION BUT ALSO HEIGHT TO GIVE YOU A VARIANCE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS MULTIPLE BUILDINGS BUT IT IS ONE BUILDING AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THAT IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT MY CLIENT IS SEEKING TO ACCOMPLISH. IF THIS GETS GRANTED TO YOU, OBVIOUSLY IT GOES BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IF ALL OF THIS GETS APPROVED AT THE END OF THE DAY ECHOES TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. WE WENT TO THEM VOLUNTARILY BEFORE COMING HERE TO ASK THEM TO WORKSHOP THIS SO WE COULD GET THEIR INPUT AND SPECIFICALLY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WOULD HAVE AN IDEA BOTH BETWEEN US AND PV ARC WHAT THEIR EXPECTATION WOULD BE AND I THINK WE CAN ALL LOOK AND TELL THAT IS GOOD, THAT WOULD WORK. THAT IS BAD, THAT WOULD NOT WORK. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF LONGER BUILDINGS THAT ARE UP IN THIS LENGTH OF RANGE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND IT IS REALLY A KEY TO THE ARCHITECTURE. EVEN THIS STRUCTURE IS LONGER THAN THE 120 FOOT MEASUREMENT, AS I MEASURED IT. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS ONE THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT LENGTH TO IT BUT THE REAL KEY IS THE ACHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH IS WHY WE BROUGHT IN MIKE COPENHAVER. HE IS NOT HERE TODAY BUT IS AN ARCHITECT VERY WELL KNOWN IN PONTE VEDRA. HE WAS ON THE PV ARC FOR MANY YEARS. HE CREATED SOME DRAWINGS FOR US. THIS IS THE ONE WE SHOWED IT PV ARC AND JUST TO

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IT WAS ONE WORKSHOP ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WE DID THIS SAME BASIC POWERPOINT PRESENTATION UP TO THIS POINT SO YOU GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THEY SAW VERSUS WHAT YOU SEE. IT WAS REALLY UNANIMOUS IN FAVOR WAS THE CONSENSUS. THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO IT, TO THE COMMENTS WE GOT OUT OF PV ARC IS THAT IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH PONTE VEDRA FOR WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN IN DEVELOPMENT OVER THE YEARS AND ALSO POINT OUT THAT ERIC TIDBITS, A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER SPOKE AND THIS IS WHAT MY NOTES INDICATED. HE IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND CAN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT ABOUT 98% SUPPORT FROM HIM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BUT HE WANTED THE BUFFER ON THE NORTH TO BE INCREASED. I DID NOT SEE A NEED TO WAIVE THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THERE, THE EXISTING PUD HAS THE BUILDING TO WHERE THERE IS A WAIVER FROM 20 FEET DOWN TO 10 FEET OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO ADDRESS MR. TIBBETTS' CONCERN IS MOVE THE BUILDING BACK 20 FEET, SO WE ARE ABLE TO MEET HIS CONCERN AND PART OF THAT IS BY FLIPPING THE BICYCLE RACK SO IN SOME WAYS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE BICYCLE RACK ON THE SOUTH IT WILL GO TO THE NORTH.

IN SOME WAYS WE DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SETBACK FOR THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY WOULD COUNT THAT BICYCLE RACK AS BEING IN THE SETBACK BUT THE BUILDING MEETS IT SO WE HAVE SWAPPED THIS WAIVER TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS THE DRAWING CURRENTLY OF WHAT WAS IN THE PUD WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE DUMPSTER AND BICYCLE RACK ON THE LEFT. YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT. THAT IS ONLY 10 FEET. BY SHIFTING THE BUILDING TO THE LEFT, AS I HAVE DONE IN THE SCREEN DRAWING, YOU CAN SEE IT HAS A CONFLICT WITH THE BICYCLE RACK. BY MOVING THE BICYCLE RACK TO THE NORTH, EVERYTHING WORKS. WE STILL KEEP THE ENTRANCE WHERE IT IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP OUR SPACING FROM THAT RIGHT DECELERATION LANE BUT YOU DO HAVE THE SEPARATION OF BUILDINGS, SO THIS IS THE TEXT WE HAVE REVISED AND WE ARE MAINTAINING THE 20-FOOT SPACING WITH THE BUILDING. IF I LAY OUR SITE OUT ON HERE, AND WE LOOK AT THE BUILDING NOW SHIFTED JUST LIKE I HAD SHOWED YOU A MOMENT AGO FOR IT HAS NOW MOVED TO 20 FEET OFF THAT PROPERTY BOUNDARY, IT GIVES THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS WHERE YOU GET MORE DISTANCE FROM THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE. THEN TO TOP IT OFF, WE DID NOT HAVE THIS DRAWING AT PV ARC BECAUSE MIKE HAD TIME LIMITATIONS ON COMMITMENTS, SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THIS APPROVED AT PV ARC BUT BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM GLENN AND OTHERS AT PV ARC , WE WOULD'VE BROUGHT THE HEIGHT DOWN ON THE TOWERS BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP THAT 25-FOOT HEIGHT LIMITATION AND JUST SO YOU CAN GET A CLEAN VIEW OF THE POTENTIAL OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING THEN ALSO YOU GET AN IDEA ONCE YOU PUT IN VEGETATION THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO REQUIRE, YOU CAN SEE YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME SHADE TREES IN THERE THAT ARE GOING TO BREAK UP THE BUILDING IN GENEAL ANYWAYS FROM A1A AND THERE MAY BE SOME EXISTING FOLIAGE THAT STAYS IN THAT AREA OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WITH THAT, I WILL STOP TALKING AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT THAT IS AN OVERVIEW OF WHY WE ARE BEFORE YOU FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION AND FROM EXPERIENCE -- I KNOW I HAVE TOUCHED A LOT AND SAID A LOT OF PV ARC BUT I HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE THIS BOARD AND IT IS THE QUESTION OF WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE WHEN YOU DO THESE THINGS AND SO THAT IS WHY WE TOOK THE EFFORT TO WORKSHOP AT BEFORE COMING HERE SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME HERE WITH SOME OF THAT INPUT INTO KNOW THAT OUR DRAWING WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK. WE WERE KIND OF COMING UP WITH A DESIGN THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A WAIVER, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO PV ARC THAT WE COVERED THE

ARCHITECTURE SUFFICIENTLY, SO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> ON THE SOUTH AND NEXT TO THE CHASE BUILDING , WOULD THERE BE A DRIVEWAY ACCESS THERE TO THE CHASE BUILDING?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE HAVE IT IN OUR PUD FOR POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES, POTENTIAL FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY AND IF YOU DO NOT PUT POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY IN YOUR PUD THEN COME BACK LATER TO MAKE THE CONNECTION YOU CAN BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO MODIFY THE PUD AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE MAJOR MODIFICATION PROCESS JUST TO CREATE THAT ACCESS POINT, WHICH CAN BE GOOD, BUT HERE WE HAVE IN THEIR POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY. WE DO NOT HAVE A DEAL NEGOTIATED WITH CHASE BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DID THE CHASE BANK PUD.

I DID THAT LOCATION, AND THERE WERE A LOT MORE WAIVERS THAN

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FROM A PURE PLANNER'S PERSPECTIVE, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, SO WHETHER IT HAPPENS, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY LEGAL RIGHTS AND WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT IF THERE ARE MORE TRIPS THAN WHAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD EXPERIENCE ON THOSE PROPERTIES YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SO THERE

IS SOME WORK TO BE DONE THERE. >> IN REVIEWING THIS, ARE WE GOING TO CONSIDER THAT THERE WILL BE INTERCONNECTIVITY?

>> I CAN TELL YOU ACROSS THE BOARD THE REASON THAT IF YOU WENT AND LOOKED AT THE CODE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE STARTED FRESH, THE PV CODE WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE BUILDING NEEDS TO GO IN FRONT IN THE PARKING LOT NEEDS TO GO IN THE BACK. THE REASON THIS SITE DOES NOT HAVE THAT IS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN 2019 FOR GAINING THE APPOVAL WAS KNOW, ALIGN THE BUILDING, ALIGN THE PARKING JUST LIKE AMERICA'S CHOICE TITLE, JUST LIKE THE CAMARATA BUILDING SO THAT DRY -- DRIVE I'LL ALIGN IN YOU CAN SEE HOUR DRIVE AISLE TO THE SOUTH WILL ALIGN WITH THE CHASE DRIVE AISLE AND CONNECT PERFECTLY THROUGH SO YES, THE ALIGNMENT IS THERE TO FACILITATE THAT.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE RENDERING?

>> YES, SIR. BACKWARDS. THERE WE GO.

>> IT IS A VERY NICE BUILDING. HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO

LOOK LIKE THAT WHEN IT IS DONE? >> THE OTHER RENDERING I DID SHOW TO PV ARC, IT'S A MATTER OF RECORD FOR THEM AND ON PV ARC -- GLENN'S LAST NAME IS ESCAPING ME, YOU MAY KNOW

GLENN? >> ETTINGER.

>> YES, THANK YOU. GLENN, WHO WORKED WITH MY COMPANY FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, THEY WORK TOGETHER, HE HAD SOME COMMENTS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SO THOSE WERE WORKED INTO THIS DRAWING, SO HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS? I GUESS WE KNOW WE SET THE BAR BECAUSE WE SHOWED THEM THE MORGAN STANLEY BUILDING AS TO THIS IS WHAT WE THINK YOU WANT FOR ARCHITECTURE, AND THEY SAID YEAH, BETTER LOOK LIKE THAT SO AND THE OTHER POOR EXAMPLES I SHOWED YOU IN THIS PRESENTATION, I THINK THEY ARE PRETTY WELL AWARE OF IT IN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON THE PV ARC EVEN COMMENTED THEY DID NOT KNOW THE MORGAN STANLEY BUILDING WAS ONE GIANT BUILDING. IT IS ONE CONNECTED BUILDING, NOT THREE. THAT PROBABLY IS THE BEST EXAMPLE FOR US AND THAT PROBABLY IS WHERE THE BAR IS SET FOR WHAT

WE HAVE TO HAVE. >> I LIKE THE BUILDING, THE

DRAWING. THANK YOU. >> THE SETBACK WAIVERS FOR 2019, ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE THE SAME FOR THE FRONT AND THE REAR WITH A REDUCTION FROM -- IN THE REAR FROM 30 TO 10 FEET AND IN THE FRONT FROM 20 TO 10 FEET?

>> YES. IN THE FRONT, IT IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY GET THE BUILDING ALIGNMENT. THE REAR IS NECESSARY TO GET THE BUILDING ALIGNMENT SO THAT YOU CAN FACILITATE THE POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY AS I HAVE HERE ON THE SITE BUT I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING. YOU BRING UP SOMETHING THAT IS KEY TO FOCUS ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. IN THE REAR, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE HOMEOWNERS BEHIND US. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THIS BEAUTY -- PUD THAT IS VERY UNIQUE, I HAVE NOT SEEN AND ANYTHING ELSE, IS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS BEFORE, WE MADE THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND US REASONABLY HAPPY AND PERHAPS THAT IS WHY THEY ARE NOT OUT IN OPPOSITION, BECAUSE THE EXISTING PUD ON THAT BUILDING GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS, AND WE HAVE KEPT THIS REQUIREMENT, IS THAT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT OF

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ACROSS THE BACK. >> AND, WITH THE NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND NOTIFIED OF THE CHANGES BEING MADE WITH THE

LENGTH OF THE BUILDING? >> THEY WOULD HAVE DIRECT MAIL NOTICE FROM YOUR COUNTY STAFF. WE DON'T CONTROL THE MAILING.

THAT WOULD COME FROM COUNTY STAFF BASED ON GIS SEARCH AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES WOULD BE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROJECT SO THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN A DIRECT MAIL NOTICE ASIDE FROM THE SIGN-UP AND IT IS THERE BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN

IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES, THE REAR SETBACK OF 10 FEET , I LOOK AT THE DISTANCE FROM THE CHASE BANK TO I GUESS THE CLOSEST HOUSE, THE ONE WITH THE SWIMMING POOL. IS THAT 10 FEET OR IS THAT A LITTLE BIT

LONGER? >> IF WE ARE LOOKING ON THE DRAWING HERE AND I THINK I CAN MAKE THIS WORK, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS DISTANCE OF MEASUREMENT , THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE THE CHASE BANK WOULD HAVE THE DRIVE AISLE. ONE HAS A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER ON PUD SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE DRIVE AISLE AT 18 FEET WIDE? MAYBE 20 FEET WIDE DRIVE AISLE, AND THEN THE FIVE OR EIGHT FEET OF SIDEWALK SO THE CHASE BANK BUILDING A SETBACK CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN FOR EXAMPLE, AMERICA'S CHOICE TITLE OR FIRST COAST AUDIOLOGY/THE CAMARATA

BUILDING. >> GOING FROM 30 TO 10 WAS

QUITE A CHANGE. >> SO, THESE BUILDINGS HERE WOULD HAVE LESS OF A SETBACK IN THAT AREA.

>> THEN WHAT IS THE WIDTH OR I GUESS DEPTH OF THE VEGETATION THAT WOULD BE PLANTED BEHIND THE BUILDING?

>> ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, WE HAVE NOT ASK FOR A WAIVER RELATED TO THE COUNTY STANDARDS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ENHANCED BUFFERING, SO THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPING TO THE COUNTY'S NORMAL REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPING. ON THE REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL. ON THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. I BELIEVE IT IS REQUIRED TO BE EIGHT FEET.

>> I'M GETTING A YES FROM JACOB.

>> I KNOW THE VEGETATION IS FAR HIGHER THAN THAT RIGHT NOW. IT IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO 20. JUST DRIVING BY, EYEBALLING IT ,

COMPARED TO THE WALL. >> I GUESS YOU HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THERE. PART OF THE VEGETATION ON THE FRONT IS -- I GO BACK TO THOSE DRAWINGS, IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY IN THE F D.O.T. RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT A LOT OF THAT VEGETATION OUTSIDE OF TELEPHONE POLES , BETWEEN THE TELEPHONE POLES ON THE ROADWAY, IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY SO LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION, AS WELL. SO, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VEGETATION THAT MY CLIENT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TOUCH BECAUSE IT

IS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> BUT, THAT WOULD BE ON THE

FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. >> YES, SIR.

>> NOT ON THE BACKSIDE. >> CORRECT. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE TREE INCHES, SO IF WE REMOVE TREES IT COSTS US MONEY SO TO THE EXTENT THEY CAN LEAVE TREES IN THE REAR, THEY WILL, BUT I GUESS THE BIGGER ISSUE I THINK WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT YOU PUT THE PLATE HEIGHT AT SIX FEET AND A WALL AT EIGHT FEET , YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE

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YOU COULD NOT BUILD A CAMARATA . IT WOULD TAKE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF WAIVERS THAT I WOULD ASSUME COULD NOT BE GRANTED TO BUILD A BUILDING LIKE CAMARATA .

>> IN MY PACKET WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS. I THINK IT SAYS SEVEN DRUM PLACE. ARE YOU IN

RECEIPT OF THAT? >> I GOT THAT RIGHT IS THE MEETING STARTED. MS. BANK PROVIDED ME A COPY OF IT AND I GUESS WHAT I SAW AND THAT WAS IT SAID WHATEVER IT IS , I DON'T WANT IT AND IT ALSO SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU GUYS SUCK.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR I GET THE FLAVOR OF IT. THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW THE REALITY IS WE HAVE AN ACTIVE PUD ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAS APPROVAL.

SOMETHING IS GOING TO COME ON THE PROPERTY. SO YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU, AND I WILL REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITH FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE PUBLIC FOR THEM -- FORM, I WOULD MUCH RATHER TALK TO THEM AND DO WHAT I CAN TO APPEASE THEM. THAT IS JUST MY STYLE, SO I THINK IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY RESULTS IN A BETTER PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT CONCERNS THEY HAVE RELATED TO LOOKING IN THE BACKYARD AND THE LIKE ARE LARGELY TAKEN CARE OF WITH THIS WALL AND OUR LOW ROOFLINE AND PLATE HEIGHT ON THE WINDOWS AND THEN ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE NOT HAVING TWO ACCESS POINTS ON A1A , THERE IS SOME GOOD PUBLIC BENEFIT HERE THAT MAYBE SOME EDUCATION COULD HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD FOR WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.

>> I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THE ZONING CODE, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE CONCERN THAT HOMEOWNERS HAVE WITH THINGS LIKE THIS, IN ADDITION TO THAT LIGHT THAT THEY HAVE AN EXPERIENCE IS WHEN THE NOISE AND SMELLS AND I'M NOT SURE HOW -- I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW YOUR PLANS CAN ADDRESS THAT , BUT JUST SPEAKING FOR HOMEOWNERS IN THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS, THE MORE OF A BUFFER THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION, THE LESS YOU KNOW, IT WOULD MEET SOME

PEOPLE'S CONCERNS. >> I THINK THAT IF WE WERE HERE TALKING ABOUT A COMMERCIAL GENERAL PUD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU 100% BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES WITH A CONVENIENT STORE ON WHAT GOES ON AROUND THE CONVENIENT STORE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION , THE RESTAURANT, HOURS OF OPERATION OF A RESTAURANT, RESTAURANT DUMPSTERS ALSO ARE NOTORIOUS HAVENS FOR RACCOONS AND ALL THOSE OTHER KIND OF USES. WE COULD HAVE A MARIJUANA SHOP, WE COULD HAVE AN ADULT ENTERTAINMENT STORE, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN A PUD. HERE, WHAT I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU, MR. NICKERSON, IS YOUR COMMENTS ARE EXACTLY WHAT WAS EXPRESSED IN 2019. YOUR COMMENTS ARE EXACTLY WHY THE TIBBETTS BROTHERS ARE HERE, I THINK. THEY MAY HAVE OTHER COMMENTS. I CAN'T PUT WORDS IN THE MOUTH BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY HAD THOSE CONCERNS AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR PUD AND LOOK AT THE PROHIBITED USES, WE HAVE PROHIBITED RESTAURANTS. WE HAVE PROHIBITED SERVICE STATIONS. WE HAVE PROHIBITED CONVENIENCE STORES , THAT HOSPITALS. YOU DON'T WANT A BARKING DOG. WE HAVE PROHIBITED ALCOHOL SALES, AUTOMOTIVE SALES, ADULT USES, LANDSCAPING. YOU DON'T WANT LANDSCAPING BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE BEEP BEEP BEEP ALL DAY LONG IN YOUR YARD FROM THE TRUCK SKIPPING MULCH OR MOVING PLANTS ALONG. TATTOOS GAMBLING, MARIJUANA, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THAT IS WHY OUR USES ARE SO LIMITED IN OUR PUD IS TO PREVENT THAT AND REALLY HAVE A PRODUCT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH SIMILAR TYPE RETAIL OFFICE USES IN PONTE VEDRA. IT REALLY NARROWS IT DOWN AS TO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET .

>> HOW IS ANYONE CERTAIN THAT ONCE THE INITIAL OCCUPANTS MOVE OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON , THAT ANY OF THOSE PROHIBITED USES ARE NOT ABLE TO MOVE INTO THIS OFFICE SPACE?

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>> GOOD POINT. YOU HAVE GOT TO GET AN OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE.

YOU'VE GOT TO COME TO COUNTY. THE COUNTY LOOKS A LOT OF THE TIMES FOR CHANGE OF USE BECAUSE IF I TAKE OUT REGULAR OFFICE LOCATION AND CHANGE IT TO MEDICAL OFFICE LOCATION, INSTANTLY GENERATES MORE TRIPS AND IT IS NOT SO MUCH THE TRIPS, IT IS THE PARKING DEMAND SO YOUR CODE SAYS YOU NEED MORE PARKING PLACES BECAUSE YOU CHANGED FROM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO MEDICAL OFFICE AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING BECAUSE YOU BUILT A BUILDING THAT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING BECAUSE OF ITS SQUARE FOOTAGE SO IT REALLY LIMITS THOSE KINDS OF SWAPS AND CHANGES FROM GOING ON BECAUSE COUNTY STAFF IS LOOKING AT IT EVERY TIME.

YOU'VE GOT TO GET AN OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE. ANY KIND OF ALTER THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE IS GOING TO NEED A PERMIT AND THE COUNTY STAFF CHECKS ZONING REVIEW.

>> OKAY, AND I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. THEY'RE HERE IF YOU WANT TO ASK THEM IF I'M WRONG.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS HERE IN THE COUNTY 25 YEARS SO A LOT OF TIMES I HAVE TO THE QUESTIONS. HOPEFULLY I'M CORRECT. I TRY TO BE AS ACCURATE AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

>> THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME. >> THANKS VERY MUCH, DOUG.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, IF ANYBODY HAS SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS PROJECT, IF YOU WILL COME UPON A TIME AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ERIC TIBBETS. 4309 BLUE HERON DRIVE, AND I'M JUST RESPONDING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW , THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR THE STAFF. WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING SOMETHING CALLED THE BICYCLE RACK TO THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING. WHAT DOES THE COUNTY -- I MEAN DOES THAT MEAN MOTORCYCLES CAN PARK THERE? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THAT

STRUCTURAL CHANGE? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BICYCLE RACK.

PEDAL BICYCLES. IT'S A STANDARD REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING CONFIGURATIONS FOR THE SITE THROUGH THE PUD . NOT MOTORIZED MOTORCYCLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BICYCLES.

>> AND THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE PUD?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NOT SEEING ANY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD. DISCUSSION, IF ANYONE HAS COMMENT OR QUESTIONS FOR COUNTY STAFF?

>> I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY . THEY HAVE A NICE LOOKING BUILDING VERSUS ANOTHER SMALL BUILDING ON THE SOUTH PIECE OF PROPERTY . IT'S MORE ATTRACTIVE SO I'M GENERALLY IN

FAVOR. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. I DO KNOW THAT IN THE 2019 GRANTING OF WAIVERS, A LOT OF PROMISES WERE MADE IN TERMS OF CANOPY TREES AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ALSO REINFORCED IN THIS ONE, GIVEN THAT A LOT OF THE POINTS USE TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE SEVEN WAIVERS NO LONGER EXIST IN THIS ONE. INITIALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. NOW IT IS 82 SOMETHING. THE BUILDING WAS SHORTENED . WITH THE SETBACKS NOW IT IS ALMOST THREE TIMES THAT SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME REINFORCEMENT ON THE CANOPY BUFFERING IN THE

LANDSCAPING. >> JACOB, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING ARE, IS THAT BASED OFF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING OR IS THAT THE SITE?

>> THANK YOU. JACOB SMITH FOR THE RECORD. THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS VARY DEPENDING ON THE USE AS PART OF THE APPLICANTS PUD TEXT, THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT, AND MEET ANY REQUIREMENT. YOU PROBABLY NOTED IN MY STAFF REPORT THAT KEISHA HAS A COMMENT IN THERE RELATING TO THE POTENTIAL FOR GREATER PARKING DEMANDS. THE WAY THIS

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THERE ARE CERTAIN CONFIGURATIONS THAT MAY REQUIRE MORE PARKING, AS I NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, MULTIPLE MEDICAL OFFICES LIKELY WOULD EXCEED THAT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I AM WITH YOU ON SOME OF IT. I CAN CERTAINLY SEE IT AS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE USE AND FOR A LOT OF THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS, THERE IS NOBODY PARKED IN FRONT OF THEM EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY.

BUT SOME OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF PARKING ISSUES. IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF THE PONTE VEDRA IN AN SPOT WHERE WE APPROVE THE SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER BUILDING BECAUSE IT ENHANCED THE LOOK OF THE SPACE.

I'M GOING TO CALL IT COBBLED TOGETHER PUD'S AS THEY SIT, THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR ENHANCEMENT VERSUS BUILDING WHAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED. AND CERTAINLY, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PARKING LOT IN THOSE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS , THE WAY THAT HE SHOWED THE TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, THAT PARKING LOT EXTENDS BASICALLY TO THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, A WALL IN YOUR BACK YARD IS, IN MY MIND, THE SAME AS OFFENSE AND CERTAINLY A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL WOULD ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND. SO, I AM GENERALLY CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF THIS. I AM WITH YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ENHANCED LANDSCAPING UP. I THINK THAT IS PART OF WHAT MAKES PONTE VEDRA SPECIAL. I ALSO LIKE THE SEPARATION. JOHN, YOU MIGHT KNOW A BETTER WORD, THAT YOU HAVE DIFFERENTIATED THE BUILDINGS, OR MADE IT NOT LOOK LIKE ONE LONG STRIP MALL SO THE DESIGN IS VERY PRETTY . I WANT TO GIVE THE LATITUDE OF THE ARCHITECTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT -- SO CERTAINLY THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO THINGS I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR , BUT OVERALL, I

LIKE IT. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW, MR. BURNETT AND MR. TIBBETTS, I GUESS , WAS REFERRED TO AS A NEIGHBOR. I PLUGGED IN THE ADDRESS AND HE IS 2.2 MILES AWAY FROM THE AREA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT .

IS THE ONE WHO HASTO LOOK AT THE BUILDING OVER THIS WALL SO I TEND TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE WEIGHT IN WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SPICY LANGUAGE IN IT.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WITH THE LIGHT AND WITH SOUND AND YES, THERE WILL BE ODOR ISSUES JUST FROM THE BUFFER THAT IS NO LONGER THERE , OBSTRUCTING WITH SOME OF THE ODORS THAT COME IN OFF OF A1A, SO WHATEVER COULD BE DONE TO BE VERY CLEAR AND SPECIFIC WITH THE CANOPY OR A BUFFER OF TREES PLANTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER THE WALL GOES IN WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LOT

MORE COMFORTABLE . >> I'M NOT SURE IF THAT SEGWAY IS THERE FOR ME TO COMMENT. I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THE ISSUE OF LANDSCAPING AND MAKE SURE WE PUT SOME SLIDES IN OUR

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SOME DISCUSSION, MAYBE. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR JUST BRIEFLY, SEVEN DRONE PLACE ACTUALLY SITS BEHIND

INAUDIBLE ] BUILDING. >> TO RESPOND TO YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT THIS EMAIL. I READ IT, TOO. THE WAY I READ IT IS THAT THIS PERSON EXPRESSES AN INTEREST IN KEY BEING THE GREENERY THERE ALTOGETHER OR NOT BEING DEVELOPED WHICH REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, IT WOULD TAKE SOMEBODY PURCHASING THAT AND PUTTING IT INTO A CONSERVATORY TRUST BUT BEYOND TAT WITH PROPERTY RIGHTS, IT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED EVENTUALLY, AND THIS CERTAINLY LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN A HISTORIC FACILITY OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD COME IN AND NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SIGHTLINES.

>> DOUG, CAN YOU TELL ME THE SPACE BETWEEN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ON THE WALL ON THE PROPERTY LINE? THE WALL WOULD BE BUILT DIRECTLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE?

>> YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT WE SAY IT IS BUILT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. MORE OFTEN OR NOT , IT IS 6 INCHES IN, BUT IT IS ON THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, AND THAT IS OFTENTIMES A CODE REQUIREMENT , THAT THE WALL BE THERE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT IS THE STANDARD THAT THE WALL IS THERE

ON THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. >> THAT WOULD BE DISCONTINUOUS

LAND USES ? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR , MR. BURNETT IS CORRECT. THE STANDARD THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING FOR IN THE PUD IS A 10-FOOT BUFFER WITH AN EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL. THAT IS THE STANDARD REQUIRED.

>> AND, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE MASONRY WALL, IF YOU MOVE IT IN FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, THE REALITY IS IT KIND OF GOES TWO WAYS. YOU NO LONGER ON THE TWO FEET SO IF YOU ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THAT SIDE AND REMOVE IT IN TWO FEET I'M NEVER GOING ON THAT SIDE SO IT WINDS UP BEING PART OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE MATTER FOR YOU PUT IT, ULTIMATELY WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE , IT IS SUCH A DIVIDER, AN EIGHT-FOOT CONCRETE BLOCK WALL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. FOREVER IT IS SET, THAT SIDE IS THEIRS, THE SITE IS THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, SO. AND IF YOU MOVE IT IN, THEN YOU ALSO MOVE THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION SPACE THAT WOULD BE THERE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDING ON THE WALL. WE WILL HAVE PLANTINGS IN THERE. IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY

THE COUNTY. >> WHAT IS THE INTENDED USE OF THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ON THE WALL? WILL THERE BE BACK DOORS TO THE SPACES ? WHAT IS GOING TO GO

THERE? >> IT'S INTERESTING. AS I LOOK AT MY OWN CENTER THAT I AM IN, MY OFFICE IS LOCATED IN THE TOWN CENTER AND IN SOME WAYS IT IS KIND OF PROGRESSIVE , ALTHOUGH THE DESIGN MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE BEST FOR THE OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS THERE, WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE DOORS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NEVER USED . THEY ARE FOR EMERGENCY EGRESS AND SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL HAVE, SOME DOORS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING . WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A WINDOW IN THE DOOR AND IF WE HAVE A WINDOW IN THE DOOR IT IS NOT LOWER THAN SIX FEET SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY TALL DOOR SO YOU KNOW. YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DOORS POTENTIALLY THAT CAN OPEN IN CASE OF EMERGENCY , BUT YOU KNOW , THERE IS REALLY NO PURPOSE TO BE OUT THERE IN THE

BACK. >> QUESTION FOR STAFF. IN THE 2019 WHEN WE DID GRANT THE WAIVERS , THERE WAS A LOT OF

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OF THIS? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR TO MR. PATTON'S QUESTION, MY READING OF THE PD TEXT, ALL THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING LANGUAGE REMAINS IN THAT TEXT AND THEY

HAVE NOT REMOVED IT. >> SINCE WE ARE ESSENTIALLY TAKING THAT PUD AND EXPANDING IT, THAT LANGUAGE REMAINS IN

EFFECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT AND

>> TAKING THAT ONE STEP FURTHER, IT TAKES THAT REQUIREMENT FROM JUST THE NORTH PARCEL AND SPREADS IT TO THE SOUTH PARCEL SO THAT ENHANCED LANDSCAPING WILL BE THE WHOLE

SITE. >> SO EVERYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN 2019 IS VALID STILL?

>> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 2024-08 PONTE VEDRA LAKES BOUTIQUE AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WILL MAKE A SECOND.

SORRY, TECHNICAL ISSUE.

FORGIVE US, NEW EQUIPMENT. JUST A SECOND. ALL RIGHT, VOTING IS BACK OPEN. IT MAY BE AND EQUIPMENT SMARTER THAN OPERATOR PROBLEM BUT --

CROZIER. MS. PIRGOUSIS >> YES

>> MR. NICKERSON >> NO .

>> THE VOTE FAILS TO CARRY . DOUG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL JANUARY WHEN WE CAN HAVE A FULL BOARD?

>> THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS THIS WOULD STILL GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION SO IT WOULD STILL BE A RECORDED 3-1 VOTE IN

FAVOR . >> IT WOULD BE A 3-1 RECOMMENDATION, NOT RECOMMENDING SO THE VOTE FAILED. YOU NEED FOUR TO CARRY THE VOTE TO ESTABLISH A CONCURRING MAJORITY OFFICIAL ACTION . SO EVEN UNOFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD REQUIRES FOUR MEMBERS.

>> LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY. MR. NICKERSON, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO YOU BELIEVE RELATED TO THE SITE OR DESIGN OR THE USES THAT WE COULD COMPROMISE ON TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN YOUR VOTE TODAY? I JUST DON'T HAVE A GUIDANCE ON WHERE

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WE GO FROM HERE. >> I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING CLEAR AND SPECIFIC AS FAR AS WHAT GETS PLANTED BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE EIGHT FOOT WALL. SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN MAYBE MAKE A PHONE CALL AND FIND OUT, THIS IS HOW MANY SQUARE FEET. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR YOU KNOW, DETAILED FORESTRY DATA, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT IS POSSIBLE AND WHAT CAN WE GET PROMISED, SOMETHING THAT IS ENFORCEABLE THAT IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. OTHERWISE, I AM FINE WITH THINGS. THAT IS JUST -- YOU KNOW OF A PROJECT WE WERE INVOLVED WITH IN THE PAST WHERE PROMISES WERE MADE, AND TREES WERE PROMISED AND

THEY WERE NOT PLANTED. >> SO MR. NICKERSON, MAYBE THIS HELPS . I DON'T KNOW THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IS SPELLED OUT IN ENHANCED LANDSCAPING BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS. IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS YOU WOULD CONSIDER RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IF WE, BETWEEN NOW AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION, SPECIFY WHAT THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING WILL BE, THEN WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO STAFF. I CAN TELL YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT JUST SAYS ENHANCED LANDSCAPING IN THE PUD TEXT, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS THAT THE BASIC MINIMUM COUNTY REQUIREMENT +2 TREES ON THE OVERALL SITE? THAT COULD BE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING. OFTEN TIMES FOR ENHANCE LANDSCAPING, WE SPELL IT OUT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. YOUR SHADE TREES, AT LEAST IN MY PUD'S THAT I HAVE DONE HERE, OVER HUNDRED NOW I THINK IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, MAY BE NEARING MORE THAN HUNDRED AND 50, BUT WHAT I HAVE USED MANY TIMES IS THE BASIC SPACING FOR A SHADE TREE IS 20 FEET ON CENTER. YOU MOVE THEM THE 15 FEET ON CENTER, THAT GIVES YOU A MUCH MORE DENSE SHADE TREE BARRIER AT AN EARLIER AGE, BECAUSE IT 20 FEET ON CENTER, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A GREAT BARRIER IN 15, 20 YEARS BUT IF YOU ARE WANTING IT QUICKER , YOU WANT TO NOT PUT THEM TOO CLOSE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY WILL GROW VERY WELL LONG-TERM BUT WE COULD INSTEAD OF 20, PUT THEM 15 FEET ON CENTER SO YOU KNOW THAT SPECIFIC MEASUREMENT WILL BE MET ON THAT BACKSIDE IN THE 10 FEET SO NOW YOU REALLY GIVE THOSE RESIDENTS BEHIND THE PROJECT A GOOD BUFFER.

>> I AM LOOKING TO STAFF. WE CAN'T SPECIFY SPECIFIC TYPES OF TREES OR SPACING, OR CAN WE?

>> SHADE TREES ARE DEFINED BY THE COUNTY IN YOUR PROCESS THAT IF IT IS A SHADE TREE THAN IT IS ACTUALLY A DEFINED TYPE OF TREE. THERE ARE VARIATIONS OF WHAT A SHADE TREE CAN BE BUT IF IT IS A SHADE TREE, IT IS DETERMINED UNDER YOUR CODE.

>> JACOB SMITH THROUGH THE RECORD -- FOR THE RECORD AND THROUGH THE CHAIR, ONE THING OVERALL I GUESS I WOULD ADDRESS TO MR. NICKERSON'S CONCERNS IS THAT THIS PUD , AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ALONG THAT AREA OF THE PROPERTY, IS VERY MUCH CODIFIED AS FAR AS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO DO , THEIR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE HAS TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED , SO A SITUATION WHERE NO PLANTINGS ARE MADE, THEY ARE NOT GETTING A CO, THEY'RE NOT GETTING BUILT, IT IS UNDERGOING ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. TO MR. BURNETT'S POINT, IT MAY BE REASONABLE TO REQUEST SPECIFIC ENHANCED LANDSCAPING OR HAVE THE APPLICANT WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF TO COME UP WITH A SPECIFIC LIST EITHER PRIOR TO BCC COME BACK FOR YOUR REVIEW, WHATEVER YOUR LIKING IS BUT AGAIN I WOULD DEFINITELY REITERATE TO YOU THAT THE LANDSCAPING -- ENHANCED LANDSCAPING IS LISTED IN HERE, IT IS REQUIRED, AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO BUILD IT IN ORDER TO HAVE THEIR

DEVELOPMENT MADE. >> DOUG, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO OFFER LANDSCAPING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE? YOU ARE WANTING SOMETHING THAT CAN GROW BIG AND THAT 10 FOOT IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL.

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>> I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THERE IS IF I HAD A PROPERTY OWNER NEXT DOOR THAT WAS A SPECIFIC ONE SUCH AS THE PERSON WHO IS DOWN THE STREET BEHIND AMERICA'S CHOICE TITLE, IF IT WAS BEHIND ARE ASSIGNED THEN WE COULD TALK THE -- TO THEM ABOUT IT AND MAKE THEM HAPPY BUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEHIND US IN SOME REGARDS -- THE ONES ON THE SOUTH HALF ART GETTING A BETTER DALE -- DEAL THAN WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THE CURRENT PSD. THE ONES BEHIND US IF THEY ARE NEW OWNERS, IF THEY ARE NEW OWNERS THEY BOUGHT WITH THE PUD IN PLACE. WE ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED THE DEAL WITH THE PROPERTIES WHO WERE THERE WITH WHAT WOULD FACE THE WINDOWS AND ALL THAT BECAUSE WE WERE INVOLVED WITH THEM THROUGH THE FIRST ROUND BACK IN 2019, WHEN DID WORK WITH THEM. THE FINAL THING I WOULD SAY IS IF WE ARE GOING TO GO ON SOMEBODY'S YARD AND PLANT, YOU KNOW THE COMPLEXITY THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE US, I DON'T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE WORK OUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GO ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND AND PLANT TREES. IF IT WAS COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY MAYBE. I THINK THE BEST WE COULD DO AT THIS LEVEL IS TO DO ENHANCED LANDSCAPING ON OUR SITE, WHICH WE HAVE DONE BUT I DO THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME NOW, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE SPECIFY IN A DRAWING THAT I SHOW AT THE PRESENTATION WHAT OUR BUFFERING IS WHEN WE GET TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION LEVEL.

>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE ORDINANCE 2019-78 FOR THIS PUD ALREADY STATES ENHANCED LANDSCAPING WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE REAR, WEST, AND SIDES NORTH AND SOUTH IN THE FORM OF 10-FOOTBALL CAN ACT BE TREES AT THE TIME OF PLANTING

10 FOOT ON CENTER. >> THANK YOU.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR I CAN GET YOU THE PROPER POSTURE RIGHT NOW SO YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR MOTIONS ARE GENERALLY FOR A RECONSIDERATION AS I AM ASSUMING THAT IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE IT IS FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE. EVEN THOUGH THE MOTION FAILED IT MAKES SENSE THAT MR. NICHOLSON PRESENT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND SECONDED AND VOTED AND THEN YOU CAN GO INTO YOUR NEW MOTION.

>> SECONDED? OR -- >> YES, JUST A SECOND THEN YOU CAN GO ON YOUR MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

>> AYE >> AYE

>> AYE >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> WITH 4-0 .

>> SO NOW YOU CAN RECONSIDER THE VOTE, SO YOU CAN NOW MAKE A

MOTION IN EITHER DIRECTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJMOD 2024-08 PONTE VEDRA LAKES BOUTIQUE PUD BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION ON THE SECOND, WE WILL HAVE A VOTE.

>> 4-0, THE MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR

TIME TODAY. >> THANKS VERY MUCH. MOVING TO

[Minutes for Board Approval: 9/9/24, 10/07/24, 11/04/24]

>> IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES YOU CAN APPROVE THEM ALL AT ONCE,

JUST LIST THE DATES. >> OKAY, DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THE BOARD MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, OR NOVEMBER? I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, AND NOVEMBER.

>> SECOND. >> I WILL THIRD.

>> HAVING A MOTION AND SECOND, WE HAVE A VOTE ON APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, AND NOVEMBER.

>> I APPROVE. >> AYE

>> AYE >> AYE.

[Staff Report]

>> 4-0, THE MINUTES CARRY. ALL RIGHT, DO I HAVE ANYTHING FROM

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STAFF REPORT? >> MR. CHAIR, JUST SOME HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS TO DISCUSS BRIEFLY. AS YOU ARE PROBABLY WELL OR -- AWARE, MR. BRANDON TORONTO IS NOT SITTING UP HERE AS YOU ARE USED TO. HE HAS OFFICIALLY LEFT THE COUNTY AND IS OFF TO THE TAMPA AREA TO WORK AS A PLANNER. PREVIOUSLY I HAD ADDRESSED TO THIS BOARD THAT KEISHA FINK , WHO WAS HERE EARLIER, WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE YOUR NEW PONTE VEDRA PLANNER. I HAVE DONE SOME RESHUFFLING AND THE GENTLEMAN SITTING NEXT TO ME , TREVOR STEVEN, IS GOING TO BE TAKING OVER AS THE PONTE VEDRA PLANNER. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE HE WILL SEE TREVOR HERE AND START SEEING HIS NAME ON STAFF REPORTS AND SO FORTH, SO TREVOR, DO YOU WANT TO SAY HI?

>> LIKE JACOB SAID, MY NAME IS TREVOR . QUICK BACKGROUND, I'VE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW. I'VE BEEN IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THREE YEARS. I'VE WORKED ALONGSIDE JACOB AND BRANDON SO I WILL DO MY BEST TO FILL BRANDON'S SHOES THE BEST I CAN. AND JACOB WILL BE WITH ME, SO. IN --

>> ANYWAYS, HAPPY TO HAVE TREVOR STEVEN ON BOARD. HE WILL FIT RIGHT IN. THE ONLY UPDATE I HAVE IS THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JANUARY 6. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE NO ITEMS SCHEDULED BUT WE DO HAVE ITEMS IN REVIEW SO THERE IS A SMALL POTENTIAL FOR A JANUARY MEETING AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

[Board Report]

>> THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. TREVOR, WELCOME. WE HAVE ANY

BOARD REPORT? >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER APPLICANTS BEING CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW ?

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE APPLICATION IS OUT IN SPACE. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE ANOTHER CURRENT APPLICANT TO BRING FORWARD TO THIS BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION.

>> HEARING NO OTHER BUSINESS WE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD MEETING.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.

>> SECOND. >> AYE

>> AYE

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