Nov 21, 2024 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S 1:30. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STANDING SO WE CAN SAY THE

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> MR. PETER, WILL YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT? I AM SORRY.

>> YES, I WILL. >> ALREADY FAILED, FIRST

MISSION. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT OF THE AND GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK ON EACH ITEM FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHALL STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND ENSURE A VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE WHICH RECORD INCLUDING TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, WRITTEN STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCY COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY IN REVIEW OF OF APPEAL RELATING TO THEM. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR OTHER PERSON REGARDING SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMER HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE AND DIRECT COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Board Approval: 10/17/24 & 11/07/24]

AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU. AGENCY MEMBERS, WE HAVE TWO MEETING MINUTES FOR APPROVAL IN OUR PACKET. IT'S FROM OCTOBER 17, 2024 AND NOVEMBER 7, 2024. CAN I GET A MOTION? IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL DO A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYES.

[Public Comments]

>> AYES. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS YOUR TIME IN THE AUDIENCE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS YOUR TIME TO COME FORWARD. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA, WE WILL GET TO THEM ONE BY ONE AS WE GO THROUGH THE AGENDA. MR. HUNT, WOULD YOU

LIKE TO SPEAK? >> THAT'S WHY I AM COMING UP

HERE. >> GREAT. STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> CHARLIE HUNT. MILL CREEK ESTATES. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT STATE ROAD 16IGP PASS EDDIE ROAD HOW THE PRESSURE IN THAT AREA IS JUST BUILDING AND BUILDING WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING IN THERE. GRANTED, 2209 IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE THRUWAY THAT WILL HELP CLEAR A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC OUT OF THERE AND MAKE IT SMOOTHER TRANSITIONING. BUT WITH THE PLAN OF 360 APARTMENT HOMES RIGHT THERE ON STATE ROAD 16 BEHIND THE MER BELLA HOUSING AND NEW PARK PUT THERE, THAT'S 360 APARTMENTS. THAT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE STRESS OF THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. PASS EDDIE ROAD BETWEEN THE INTERSECTION THERE AND 208 IS BECOMING MORE STRESSFUL BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF TRAIL MARK BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPANDING BACK IN THAT AREA. ALSO, WITH THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT OF A POSSIBLE MEGA WAL-MART RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA AT THE INTERSECTION OF IGP AND 2209 RIGHT ACROSS FROM TECOY HIGH

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WHAT WOULD THE SIZE LIKE THAT NEED TO BE IN A STRESSFUL AREA LIKE THAT? BECAUSE YESTERDAY THERE WAS THE MEGA BASS PRO SHOPS OPENING UP AND THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THERE. YOU COULDN'T GET IN AND OUT AT THE INTERSECTION FOR HOURS BECAUSE OF THAT. WITH THIS WAL-MART BEING PLANNED AND LOOKED INTO AND THESE 360 APARTMENTS BEING LOOKED INTO AND IF 2209 GETS THROUGH THERE, IT'S TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC SO THEY CAN BUILD MORE AROUND IT. THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF IT. THERE IS NOTHING NEW ABOUT IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN AND IT WILL BE OKAY NOTHING GOES AROUND IT, JUST NEED IT FOR TRAFFIC. BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT SMALL AREA WITHIN PROBABLY A FIVE MILE RADIUS IS BECOMING HIGHLY STRESSFUL. MILL CREEK ESTATES, I LIVE RIGHT THERE. I HATE COMING OFF MY ROAD NOW. I WOULD THINK MAYBE IN OUR LONGTERM, LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD FOR THAT SMALL AREA, MAYBE BROUGHT UP MORE SENSES AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE THERE AND WHEN DOES IT NEED TO BE THERE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. HUNT. MR.

LEBANOWSKY. >> 1748 NORTH KAPERO. TO PICK UP WHERE CHARLIE WAS TALKING IN REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC, IT IS A MAJOR CONCERN. WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WHOLE ENTIRE AREA WHEN WE START APPROVING THINGS TO BE DONE. I HAVE ALREADY SENT E-MAILS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN REGARDS TO THE WAL-MART. I FOUND OUT TODAY THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN STOP THAT WAL-MART BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS I GUESS FROM BACK IN 2004 WHEN THE AREA WAS -- COMMERCE CENTER APPROVED FOR THE COMMERCIAL. THE CONCERN I HAVE FOR THAT AREA WHEN THAT WAL-MART, IF IT DOES GO IN, THESE ARE STATS FROM INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES. THERE IS GOING TO BE ON THE AVERAGE SUPER WAL-MARTS, 10,000 VEHICLES VISITING THAT WAL-MART A DAY. 10,000. 2209 IS SUPPOSED TO HELP BUT 2209 WILL DUMP IT OFF ON 16. IT IS INTERESTING. CHARLIE BROUGHT UP THE APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING IN RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE PARK THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT, BUCEES, THE VEHICLES BETTER DAY, DOUBLES DURING THE HOLIDAYS. I CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE BY THANKSGIVING. BASS PRO 2700.

COSTCO 1,000 PER DAY. HOME DEPOT IS 1200 PER DAY. THAT WHOLE AREA WILL BE INUNDATED WITH TRAFFIC. PLEASE IN ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS LET'S TRY TO PUT A SLOW DOWN ON IT FOR A LATER DATE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BUILD ANYTHING MORE ON 16 AND 16A, THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA. I FOUND OUT ALSO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN A PICKLEBALL COMPLEX DOWN ON 16A WHICH IS ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. BECAUSE PICKLEBALL AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW IS VERY POPULAR. MOST OF THAT I THINK WILL BE IN THE EVENING AND NOT DURING THE DAYTIME. SO IT WILL HELP A LITTLE BIT. PLEASE, SLOW DOWN THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT ON THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM.

>> SUZANNE CLULA. I HAVE TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN RUNNING TO GET HERE IN TIME. I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THE TWO GENTLEMEN SPOKE ABOUT. ONE IS I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF US DOING WHAT THE BOCC AT THEIR LAST MEETING OR THE MEETING BEFORE THAT MEETING CALLED HAVING A PAUSE IN DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS FOR THE CORRIDOR ALONG 16 UNTIL INFRASTRUCTURE CAN CATCH UP. I TOLD THEM I THOUGHT IT NOT ONLY NEEDED TO BE THE 16 CORRIDOR BUT THERE WERE SOME OTHER AREAS THAT REALLY WERE CLOSING IN ON HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM. I SAW THE SAME NEWS THINGS WITH ALL

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THAT IS HORRIBLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT INPUT YOU GET WITH BOCC, IF THAT'S ALLOWED. I THINK AS PRIVATE CITIZENS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE JUST LOOKING AT THE THINGS THEY ASK YOU TO LOOK AT.

IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AND SEE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THE BOCC AND CAN THROW YOUR SUPPORT BEHIND IT, NOT AS A BOARD. I KNOW YOU CAN'T. BUT AS INDIVIDUALS, I THINK IT MIGHT HELP. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO

MUCH. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR

[1. 2050 Comprehensive Plan Update. The Board of County Commissioners directed staff to utilize a consultant to assist the County through the process of developing an updated plan. The consultant, Inspire Placemaking Collective, will provide an update on the project history, timeline, and next steps.]

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MIKE ROBERSON GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR. BEFORE CHRIS AND ALREADY FROM INSPIRE COLLECTIVE COMES AND GIVES A PRESENTATION I WILL MENTION A FEW THINGS.

THE ITEMS HAVE COME TO THE BOARD I BELIEVE TWICE NOW. I THINK THE LAST WAS IN JULY. WE HAD BRIEFED -- I THINK IT WAS CONFUSING FOR THE AGENCY AND THE BOARD ON HAVING TWO RUNNING COMP PLAN UPDATES AT THE SAME TIME. ONE WAS STATE STATUTE AND THE OTHER WAS A HOLISTIC LOCAL APPROACH IN TALKING WITH THE STATE AND THEM GIVING US DIRECTION AND UNDERSTANDING IT WAS CONFUSING, WE'VE COMBINED THEM. WHEN YOU HEARD THOSE, I THINK THERE WAS CONFUSION. IT'S ALL ONE UPDATE. THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL INCLUDE STATE STATUTES AS WELL AS POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT THE COUNTY DECIDES TO MAKE. SO WE ARE HERE. CHRIS WILL ELABORATE ON ALL THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WE HAVE DONE AND HE WILL GO IN DETAIL. THAT WAS THE GUIDANCE GIVEN, TO MEET. WE MET IN A LOT OF MEETINGS, PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC INTERESTS SUCH AS ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, HOUSING CONCERNS. WE ALSO HAD SURVEYS, DIFFERENT SURVEYS. WE HAD FOUR OPEN HOUSES, SIX OPEN HOUSES IN SEPARATE PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY. ALL THAT NOW IS BASICALLY A CULMINATION OF ALL THE FEEDBACK AND CHRIS WILL ELABORATE. I WILL INTRODUCE HIM AND WE WILL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER HIS

PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >>> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. DO I NEED TO CLICK OVER? THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. AS MENTIONED, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS OR SO AND RECEIVED AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK ON A NUMBER OF TOPICS. WHAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT TODAY IS KIND OF THE SUMMATION OF ALL THE FEEDBACK PLUS AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HEARD DURING THE OPEN HOUSE SESSIONS . WE'LL CLICK THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT THE PLAN, ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, DISCUSS COMMUNITY CONSIDERATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH THE OPEN HOUSES AND THEN THE FEEDBACK FROM THE OPEN HOUSES AND WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE. A REFRESHER.

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AGAIN TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FLORIDA STATUTES. THE EAR PROCESS IS REQUIRED EVERY SEVEN YEARS.

EVERY JURISDICTION THAT HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO DO THAT. THERE WERE CHANGES IN THE STATUTES. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

THAT'S WHY THERE WAS CONFUSION WITH THE STATE. THOSE HAPPENED IN 2023, SO WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST COMMUNITIES COMING THROUGH WITH THE YEAR UPDATES. WE DID SUBMIT OUR LETTER IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. THAT GIVES YOU 12 MONTHS TO UPDATED THE PLAN. YOU WILL GO THROUGH STATE CORONATED REVIEW. WE ARE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE TWO PLANNING PERIODS. SO A 10 AND 20 YEAR PERIOD IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT MEANS MINIMUM HORIZON FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS TO BE 2045. NOW, YOU NOTICE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 2050 AND WHY IS THAT. THE REASON IS PRETTY SIMPLE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REQUIRED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TPO'S LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THAT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UPDATED TO 2050. SO WE USUALLY TACK ON AN EXTRA FIVE YEARS, MAKE SURE WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THAT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING FINALIZED HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. WE ALSO NEED TO UPDATE THE PLAN TO INCLUDE NEW PROJECTIONS AND THE MINIMUM IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA'S ECONOMIC RESEARCH. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JULY. THOSE ARE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PLAN UPDATE. MIKE TOUCHED ON THESE.

WE HAD OUR PROJECT WEBSITE. OVER 1200 RESPONSES. SORRY ABOUT THE BOX. WE'VE GOT A FORMATTING ISSUE. WE HAD GROUP SESSIONS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT SPECIFIC TOPICS. WE HAVE FIVE OF THOSE GROUP SESSIONS AND ADDITIONAL LISTENING SESSIONS WHERE WE LISTEN TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON SPECIFIC ISSUES. THEN SIX COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. RIGHT AROUND 325 ATTENDEES FOR THOSE IN PERSON WORKSHOPS AND THEN THOSE FOUR OPEN HOUSE SESSIONS WHICH WE JUST FINISHED UP WITH IN SEPTEMBER. WE HAD ONE SESSION IN THE MORNING AND ONE SESSION IN THE EVENING TO BE SURE WE GOT FOLKS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE WORKING DAY. WE HAD A TOTAL OF OF 87 FOLKS PARTICIPATE IN THE CHAMBERS AND HAD GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH FOLKS. THIS IS TO REMIND YOU AGAIN ON WHAT THE VISION INITIATIVES WERE AS WE BEGAN TO WORK THROUGH THE VISION PROCESS. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF TOPICS THAT BEGAN TO AVAIL THEMSELVES THROUGH THIS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. I WILL READ THESE. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE WAY RECONSTRUCTED OPEN HOUSES AND FEEDBACK WE GOT BASED ON VISION INITIATIVES. EL NINO SURE RESIDENTS OF ALL INCOME LEVELS HAVE SAFE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS, DEVELOP A PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FRIENDLY TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, PROTECT AGRICULTURAL LANDS BY DIRECTING GROWTH TO AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE, PROTECTS AND GROW COUNTY'S WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM, RESERVE RURAL AREAS AND RURAL CHARACTER, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE ROADWAYS, EXPAND AND ENHANCE PARKS AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE SYSTEM, RECOGNIZE, PROTECT, ENHANCE HISTORIC RESOURCES, IMPROVE THE

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RIGHT NOW THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR LAND ACQUISITION. NUMBER THREE, INCREASE PROTECTION AND NATURAL FEATURES, WILDLIFE HABITAT, COUNTY'S COASTLINE, PROTECT WETLANDS BY PROHIBITING FILLING AND DESTRUCTION AND INSTALLING VEGETATIVE BUFFERS, ADOPTING FOREST WITH STRONGER TREE ORDINANCE THAT REDUCES AND PREVENTS CLEAR CUTTING. SO FOR ENSURING RESIDENTS OF ALL INCOMES SAFE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, REQUIRE HOUSING TYPES FOR LARGE DEVELOPMENTS. NOT JUST YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED BUT PROVIDING MISSING OPTIONS LIKE TOWN HOMES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUADS, EVEN MULTI FAMILY PRODUCTS INTERSPERSED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO DESIGNATE PERCENTAGE OF UNITS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS AS AFFORDABLE UNITS. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD REFER TO AS INCLUSION NEAR ZONING PRACTICE. ENSURE UNITS REMAIN AFFORDABLE FOR 30 OR MORE YEARS. WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS IN OPERATION TODAY. PART OF THIS IS GOING BACK AND REEVALUATING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SEE IF WE CAN BECOME MORE EFFECTIVE WITH THOSE INCENTIVIZE AND FILL WITH AFFORDABLE UNITS. THEN AGAIN REEVALUATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT THE COUNTY MAY HAVE. SO MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING ROADWAYS, NUMBER ONE.

INCREASED FUNDING FOR IDENTIFYING AND REPAIRING DILAPIDATED ROADS. REMOVE WAIVERS THAT ALLOWS NONRESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL TO AVOID TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY, INCREASE PUBLIC TRANSIT THROUGH MORE BUS ROUTES, MORE FREQUENCY, NEW ROUTES, ET CETERA. CONSIDER ADVANCING PLANS FOR FIRST COAST COMMUTER RAIL. THINKING 20 YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION. USE NEW AND IMPROVED ROADS TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH IN HIGH GROUND AREAS. SO AWAY FROM MAYBE THE LOWER WETLANDS AND FLOOD-PRONE AREAS. PRESERVE RURAL AREA AND CHARACTER. SO WE CLUMPED A COUPLE TOGETHER.

RURAL AREAS AND CHARACTER AND PROTECTING AGRICULTURAL LANDS, WE INCLUDED THAT ON THE SAME BOARD. NUMBER ONE, MAKE URBAN DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY A PROACTIVE TOOL IN CONTROLLING GROWTH AND MORE RESTRICTIVE BY ENFORCING REGULATIONS TO LIMIT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE RURAL AREA. CREATE A FARM LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE STATE PROGRAMS AND FEDERAL PROGRAMS BUT MAYBE CREATING A LOCAL PROGRAM.

ENCOURAGE DENSITY AND INCREASE MAYBE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHTS IN DEVELOPED AREAS TO PRESERVE THE AGRICULTURAL LANDS IN RURAL AREAS. REDUCE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS AND BEAUTY REZONING.

HARD STOP, NO MORE AMENDMENTS, NO MORE REZONINGS. FACILITATE AGRICULTURAL LAND PRESERVATION THROUGH STATE, RURAL, AND FAMILY LANDS PROTECTION PROGRAM. THAT WAS THE PROGRAM I ELUDED TO THROUGH THE STATE. EXPANDING AND ENHANCING THE PARKS AND REC OPEN SPACE SYSTEM. ADD COMMUNITY POOLS AND POTENTIALLY A PUBLIC WATER PARK. ADD SHADE STRUCTURES AT PARKS. COMPLETE THE EAST COAST GREEN WAY TRAIL IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. REQUIRE NEW DEVELOPMENT TO ADD A TRAIL IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR CONNECT BACK TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL NETWORK. WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THE COUNTY MAY ALREADY BE DOING. THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY CAME UP WITH AND WE ARE SHARING THOSE WITH YOU TODAY. FOR IMPROVING THE

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THEY'RE DOING THAT WITH THE BASIN PLAN AND OTHER STRATEGIES THAT STATE HAS SINCE REQUIRED. COMPLETE THE SEPTIC TO SEWER FOR AGING SEPTIC SYSTEMS. AND RECOGNIZING AND PROTECTING, ENHANCING HISTORIC RESOURCES FOR STRATEGY, BE RESILIENT AGAINST NATURAL DISASTERS. I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS IN THE WORKS FOR THAT. INCREASED OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN ABOUT AND PROMOTE HISTORIC RESOURCES. THERE IS A HISTORY OF PRESERVATION HERE IN THE COUNTY AND CONTINUE TO PUSH THAT FORWARD, MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE EXISTING SITES AND TRAILS, REN STATE HISTORIC RESOURCES IN PRESERVATION DEPARTMENT, ENSURE HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE RESILIENT AGAINST SEA LEVEL RISE. SO AS WE HAVE COMPILED EVERYTHING AND THINGS BEGIN TO BUBBLE UP AND WE START TO SEE WHAT THE BIG ISSUES ARE, THESE ARE FIVE BIG TOPIC AREAS THAT WERE APPARENT DURING THIS PROCESS. SO AS THE COUNTY IS PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT GROWTH IS GOING TO GO. WE UNDERSTAND THAT PROTECTING RURAL AREA IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. HOW DO WE DO THAT AND BALANCE GROWTH. THEN PRESERVING NATURAL RESOURCES, LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING AFFORD ABILITY, ADVANCINGS ROAD WAY INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE SLIDES ON EACH OF THOSE REAL QUICK. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DATA, AND YOU HAVE HEARD US TALK ABOUT THAT, WHAT WE WENT THROUGH, THE INITIAL EAR PROCESS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE KIND OF RUNNING OUT OF DEVELOP ABLE LAND WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A FEW AREAS. SOME OF THE AREAS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BEFORE IN PRIOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES BUT THESE ARE THINGS AGAIN THAT I THINK ARE PERTINENT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HEARD SO FAR THROUGH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT THAT RURAL AREA? YOU SEE THAT OUTLINED IN THE GREEN. THIS IS KIND OF A MULTI LEVEL STRATEGY, ONE THAT IS GOING TO OVERLAP WITH SOME STRATEGIES AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IN A MINUTE. WHERE DO WHICH WANT GROWTH TO OCCUR? WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE IN SOME AREAS. THOSE ARE MORE LOGICAL LOCATIONS, MAYBE THAT'S THE FIRST FIVE TO TEN YEARS. MAYBE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THAT ADJACENT TO OTHER COUNTIES WHERE THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS. AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT THAT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME CRITERIA FOR MOVING THE BOUNDARY. MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE

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PRESERVING CULTURAL RESOURCES. WE INCLUDED THIS IN NATURAL RESOURCES UNDERSTANDING THAT CULTURAL RESOURCES AND NATURAL RESOURCES ARE USUALLY COMBINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE SURE WE CONTINUE TO ADVANCE AND CARRY FORWARD. HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT ALREADY. WE NEED TO EVALUATE WHAT WE ARE DOING FROM A HOUSING AFFORDABILITY PROGRAM, THINGS NOTICE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THINGS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE UTILIZE FROM OUR PARTNERS HERE IN THE REGION. INCREASING HOUSING DIVERSITY IS GOING TO BE KEY. WE TALKED ABOUT THE MISSING A LITTLE BIT. WE WILL NEED TO DO THAT AS PART OF THE UPDATE. LOOKING AT THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO DIVERSIFY HOUSING STOCK. THAT MAY MEAN INCREASING DENSITIES IN THE URBAN AREAS. WITH ROAD WAY INFRASTRUCTURE, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS REMAIN ON PACE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES. WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY GO IN BUT THEN IMPROVEMENTS LAG BEHIND, SOMETIMES TEN YEARS BEHIND. THAT CREATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THESE ROADS THAT ARE OVER CAPACITY. WE MADE TO INCREASE CONNECTIVITY. THERE IS A GRAPHIC ON THE SLIDE THERE. THE TWO POINTS A AND B ARE WITHIN A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET OF EACH OTHER. THAT ROUTE THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE TO GET FROM A TO B IS ABOUT SEVEN MILES. THAT'S IN EAST ORANGE COUNTY BELIEVE IT OR NOT. THAT'S A REAL SCENARIO. WE NEED TO INCREASE TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE'VE GOT TRANSIT AROUND ST. AUGUSTINE BUT IT DOESN'T EXTEND TO THE NORTHWEST, TO THE NORTH. WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO THE SOUTH BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY IMPROVE UPON THAT. LOOKING AT THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SOLUTION IN THE FUTURE. THAT I THINK FROM A BIG PICTURE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION I THINK WILL BE KEY IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS, CONNECTING TO THE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER IN DUVAL COUNTY. WITH THAT, PLEASE STAY TUNED TO OUR PROJECT WEBSITE. WE WILL BE PROVIDING UPDATES AS WE GO ALONG, SHARING INFORMATION. WE ARE CONCLUDING

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QUESTIONS. >> DR. HILDENBECK.

>> I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION, A LOT BETTER I THINK THAN WHAT YOU DID MAYBE SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO. I THINK YOU'VE REALLY GOT A GRASP ON THE NEEDS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WHAT THE CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND HOPEFULLY THE GOVERNMENT WILL ADOPT THOSE PRIORITIES. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCELLENT. ONE THING I AM INTERESTED IN IS THE SOUTHWESTERN QUADRANT OF THE COUNTY, AGRICULTURAL AREA OF THE COUNTY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE UP HERE HAS PRAISED OR DEFENDED AGRICULTURE MORE THAN I HAVE IN DISCUSSING PROJECTS. IT IS SECOND LARGEST ECONOMIC DRIVER OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. BUT OVERALL FOR FLORIDA, TOURISM IS THE NUMBER ONE ECONOMIC DRIVER. AGRICULTURE IS THE NUMBER TWO ECONOMIC DRIVER. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN AGRICULTURE IN THE MIDST OF A DIVERSE ECONOMIC PORTFOLIO FOR THE COUNTY. I HAVE SAID THAT BEFORE. BUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING TUESDAY IS COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING AN AGRICULTURAL OR FARMERS COMMITTEE TO ADVISE ON GROWTH IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY. THAT REKINDLED AN IDEA I HAVE HAD OVER THE PAST YEARS BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE EVER SAID IT UP HERE. THAT IS TO -- THIS GOES RIGHT IN WITH YOUR FOURTH VISION, WHAT YOU CALLED COMMUNITY VISION AND INITIATIVES IS TO ESTABLISH A SELECT COMMITTEE OR A TASK FORCE OF AGRICULTURAL FOLKS, FARMERS, OTHER PEOPLE CAN BE ON THAT. THERE CAN BE A MEMBER FROM THE PCA, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, MAYBE JEB SMITH NOW WITH THE FLORIDA FARM BUREAU WOULD AGREE TO SERVE. IT CAN BE A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE TO REALLY LOOK HARD AT THE SOUTHWESTERN QUADRANT OF THE COUNTY TO ENSURE THAT AGRICULTURE REMAINS IN THE MIX GOING FORWARD FOR ST. JOHN'S.

ECONOMIC DIVERSITY IS IMPORTANT. IF ONE SEGMENT GOES SOUTH, I DOUBT TOURISM WILL DO THAT ANY TIME SOON, BUT WE NEED THINGS TO BOLSTER AND MAINTAIN THE ECONOMY, PARTICULARLY IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY LIKE AGRICULTURE DOES. SO I WOULD THINK THAT PERHAPS STAFF COULD DEVELOP A PROPOSAL AND PRESENT THAT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT COULD LOOK AT THE COMPOSITION, MEETING SCHEDULE, SCOPE, ET CETERA OF SUCH A COMMITTEE, AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THAT'S WHAT THIS GROUP IS, PCA, WE ARE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE MOST PART ON LARGE ISSUES. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO

PUT ON THE TABLE. >> THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

>> I DID REALLY LIKE YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. I THOUGHT

IT WAS REALLY GOOD. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? MISS BEAGLE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUITE A FEW OF MY QUESTIONS, YOU DID ANSWER IN THAT REPORT. THANK YOU. I WAS LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT DATA OVER THE TIME AND HADN'T SEEN IT. IT'S GOOD TO SEE IT ALL COLLECTED TOGETHER. ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE REGARDING THE STATE'S SORT OF OVERALL PER VIEW ON THIS IS THAT IT IS A MINIMUM TO GO -- AT THE MINIMUM, MEDIAN PROJECTED

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NUMBERS WITH 95% GROWTH. >> IT WAS BETWEEN THE MEDIUM AND HIGH. IT'S WHAT WE CONSIDER THE MEDIUM-HIGH AVERAGE. THAT WAS BASED LOOKING ON TRENDS AND UNDERSTANDING IN MANY COMMUNITIES. THE BIEBER NUMBERS, THEY START FROM THE 2020 CENSUS. AND MANY JURISDICTIONS BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS AN UNDER COUNT BECAUSE OF COVID, IT DOESN'T ACCURATELY REPRESENT THE POPULATION. THIS IS KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THEY TREND A LITTLE BIT LOWER.

NOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE TREND DATA, THE COUNTY HAS EXCEEDED BIEBER MEDIUM ALMOST IN EVERY INSTANCE. SO THAT WAS OUR ASSESSMENT. WHEN WE BROUGHT IT TO STAFF IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, OTHER DEPARTMENTS SAID HEY, WE HAVE THE SAME NUMBERS. SO THEIR NUMBERS CONFIRMED OURS. AGAIN, WASN'T JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAME UP WITH AND IT WAS THE FINAL SAY.

>> I GUESS THERE ARE JUST FACTORS AND THIS IS LOOKING ON HISTORY AND I AM LOOKING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT AT SOME OF THE TRENDS WE ARE SEEING IN THE STATE WHERE MAYBE PEOPLE AREN'T FINDING THIS TO BE SUCH A PERFECTLY IDEAL PLACE TO MOVE TO BECAUSE OF INSURANCE BEING SO OUT OF CONTROL AND HURRICANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL.

I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT CHOICE CAME FROM. THANK YOU FOR

EXPLAINING. >> SURE.

>> YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB, AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THIS UNFOLDS AND VERY MUCH HOPING THAT PUBLIC INPUT IS NOT JUST DISMISSED AS WELL WE CAN'T DO THAT. BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE REALLY TOOK TIME. I HAVE WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THAT ONLY 87 PEOPLE SHOWED UP FOR THE OPEN HOUSES. THAT WAS A LITTLE HEART BREAKING. YOU HAD OVERALL I THINK VERY GOOD COMMUNICATION. PEOPLE ARE AWAKE AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.

AND EDUCATION IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. YOU SAID BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NOT UNTIL JANUARY?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THEN MAYBE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY WE CAN LOOK FOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MR. MATIVINA. >> SO AS I LOOK AT THESE LIST OF PRIORITIES, MOST OF THEM WOULD DISCOURAGE BUILDING AND OF COURSE THERE IS ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT ENCOURAGING BUILDING AS AFFORDABILITY. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS NOW SINCE 1985. FOR THE LONGEST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT COST, PUSH, PRICE INCREASES. THAT IS NO LONGER. IT'S THE LACK OF INVENTORY THAT DETERMINES WHAT A HOUSE SELLS FOR. WHAT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO RECOGNIZE RATE NOW IN LOT COUNTS AND BUILDING ACTIVITY THAT IS GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTY IS THE FACT THAT A BUILDER WHO WANTS TO BUY A LOT OR A GROUP OF LOTS IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY RIGHT NOW PRETTY MUCH HAS ONE CHOICE. THAT IS SILVER LEAF. GREAT FOR SILVER LEAF. BUT NOT GOOD FOR THE BUILDING COMMUNITY AND NOT GOOD FOR AFFORDABILITY. THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES WITH LOTS AND BUILDING ACTIVITY. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK I AM NOT SUGGESTING. BUT YOU CANNOT BUY A LOT IN TRAIL MARK. MOST OF THOSE HOUSES ARE BUILT. YOU CANNOT BUY A LOT IN NOCATEE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL UNDER CONTRACT. YOU CAN'T BUY IN SHORE WATER. IF YOU WERE TO PROJECT OUT MOST OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS I JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUILDING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, ASIDE FROM A FEW SILVER LEAF BEING THE BIGGEST ONE, THERE IS GOING TO BE NEXT TO NO INVENTORY LEFT AND THERE IS NONE NOW. BUILDERS IN SILVER LEAF FOR INSTANCE ARE OFFERING INCREDIBLE PRICES FOR LOTS.

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HIGH. THANK YOU. >> MR. GREENE?

>> YES, YOU TOUCH ON PRESERVATION OF LAND AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT TAKING PROPERTY FROM LANDOWNERS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT EXPANDING THAT, IS THERE AN AREA THAT IS MORE NEEDED THAN OTHER PLACES, WE HAVE MOSES, A LOT OF STATE OWNED, COUNTY OWNED, OR FEDERAL OWNED. YOU SEE THE NEED FOR MORE SET-ASIDE

LAND FOR RECREATION . >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LOCATIONS OFFHAND BUT WE DO UTILIZE DO YOU NOT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE FEATURES WOULD BE AND TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ECOSYSTEMS OR FRAGILE, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL RESOURCES THAT WE DO NEED TO PROTECT. A WETLAND SYSTEM THAT IS INTEGRAL TO THE OVERALL WATERSHED. AGAIN, ANOTHER A BACKWARDS -- A NUMBER OF FACTORS GO INTO THAT AND I

DON'T HAVE AT ALL. >> DOES BIG PICTURE WHAT IS NEEDED. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHAT STATUS I LAND -- SET-ASIDE LAND THAT THE CITY DRIVES TO THE TOTAL LAND MASS AND HOW THAT COMPARES WITH OTHER COUNTIES. I WANT TO GO BUY A GREAT IS MUCH AS PRESENTED JUST BECAUSE THE COUNTIES ARE DIFFERENT SIZES. IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE IN PRETTY GOOD PERCENTAGE OF LAND OWN, I WANT TO SAY THE GOVERNMENT, SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE VERY SMALL . AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING. YOU KNOW , I HOPE WE ARE IN THE TALK BUT SOMETIME, IF YOU DO RESEARCH, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

>> SURE. >> HOWEVER HE SAID A -- YOU STAY STATESIDE WHETHER IT'S A BOAT RAMP, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING

THAT'S NOT PRIVATELY OWNED . >> RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT NEXT STEP IS CONNECTING THOSE EITHER THROUGH A GREEN SPACE SYSTEM OR THROUGH THE TRAIL SYSTEM I THINK IS WHAT WE ARE HERE IN

THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE FOR. >> WELL, I THINK ACCESS.

PARKING. A LOT OF THEM, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT WHERE YOU PARKED

TO GO DO A TRAIL? >> RIGHT.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE LIKE STEP NUMBER ONE, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE MORE ACCESS TO SOME OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT PROPERTY

OR EVEN SOME OF THE COUNTY. >> AND EVEN FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT, PROVIDING KIOSKS AND INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHY

THESE LANDS ARE IMPORTANT. >> YEAH. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU ARE GOING INTO. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

WHERE DO YOU ALL SEE -- NATURAL RESOURCES?

>> THE AVAILABILITY OF CHEAP WATER IS YOU KNOW SO WATER IS GOING TO BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE AS WE START TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS LIKE DESALINIZATION WHICH A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING AT. THAT IS KIND OF THE BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

RUNNING OUT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO DRAW FROM.

>> IT'S THE NEW -- THAT WATER IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE, THE NEW OIL. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH EVERYONE. THANK YOU.

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>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

>> AND HOW FLEXIBLE ARE THE 10 AND 20 YEAR PLANS THAT ACCOMPANY THIS? ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE, IN 2031 TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STATE AND THE TRANSPORTATION SO THAT THEY ARE ALL THE SAME? WERE YOU ABLE TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS? NOT THAT WE WOULD BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS ONCE THESE THINGS ARE PUBLISHED , LIKE YOU SAID, THINGS CHANGE FAST. WE DON'T WANT TO BE BOXED INTO A CORNER.

>> YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO STAY WITH YOUR PLAN -- YOU KNOW, EVERY SEVEN YEARS TO LOOK AT THE PLANS BASED ON THE CHANGES AND STATUE IF YOU ARE ACHIEVING THE GOALS THAT YOU SET OUT TO ACHIEVE. YOU CAN CHANGE DIRECTIONS AT ANY POINT.

OUTSIDE OF THE

>> RIGHT. WHO WOULD INITIATE THAT, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> WELL GOOD COME OF THAT IS HELPFUL. ELECTIONS JAMES, CHANGE -- ELECTIONS CHANGE, STATUTES CHANGE. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE CARBINE OF THAT FOR MY OWN EDUCATION?

>> SURE. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES IN THE FLAME -- FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT THAT ADDRESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DURING THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR THE CONSULTANT, THE COUNTY INCLUDED -- AND THEY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW , MAKE THAT A FUTURE PRIORITY AND EMPHASIS. SO IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A REQUIRED ELEMENT. IT'S AN OPTIONAL ELEMENT THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN DO PART OF THE REASON THAT THEY DECIDED TO DO IT NOW , THEY WANTED TO COVER ALL THE BASES.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMP PLAN IS KIND OF A CONDUIT TO LAND-USE AND CONNECTING THE DOTS THERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A COHESIVE STRATEGY, NOT JUST COMING DIRECTLY FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S HANDLING DEVELOPMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES AND ALL THOSE THINGS THE KIND OF ROLL UP UNDER QUALITY-OF-LIFE ISSUES.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I DID APPRECIATE HIS COMMENTS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD ALL THE PRESERVED AREA TO THE BLUE CIRCLE AREAS THAT HAVE A POTENTIAL NEW AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT? RED AREAS. JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND WHERE THIS IS. THIS IS 95 GOING OFF TO THE SOUTH. OR THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE BIBLE -- BYLINE . AND THEN U.S. ONE THE OTHER SIDE.

>> KEEPING IN MIND, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL.

>> I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND WHERE THE IDEA MIGHT BE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, WELL I APPRECIATE, HIS COMMENTS. I THINK EDUCATING IS

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THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, THANK YOU -- WE ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. >> ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM

ONE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> SUZANNE 32086. I GOT A LOT OF NOTES HERE. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT I HOPE THAT ALL THE COMMENTS, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION HERE I HOPE THESE ARE INCORPORATED INTO WHATEVER NOTES A PERSON IS GOING TO GIVE TO THE BOC SEE -- BOCC. WE WANT THESE THINGS FROM YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IT. TO BE PRESENTED TO THEM.

THE FIRST THING IS, MR. TRAN FIFTH -- MATOVINA, I'M EVERYTHING HE SAYS. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL WE COULD DO THIS AND WE COULD DO THAT BUT BY THE TIME WE MAKE OUR MINDS UP, WE ARE GOING TO DO, ALL THE LANDS ARE GOING TO BE GONE. THE MAP THAT HE SHOWED, I THINK NEEDS A LITTLE TWEAKING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GREEN AREAS ON THEIR SHOWING IT'S ALREADY CONSERVED AND IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THAT , THIS MAP IS EVEN WORSE BECAUSE DOWN IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT THERE TO THE RIGHT OF HIS LITTLE BLUE CIRCLE ON THE ABOVE THAT. A LOT OF THAT IS THE MATANZAS STATE FOREST, MOSES CREEK, YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING THERE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY ARE WITH THE REST OF IT BUT I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A CROWNING OUT MORE AND MORE. THE COMMENT ABOUT THE AGRICULTURAL ADVISORY BOARD. THANK YOU, MR. HILSENBECK , I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO TELL THEM ABOUT THAT. I HOPE THEY DO DO THAT. AND WHAT MISS SPIEGEL SAID, AND HIS RESPONSE ABOUT THE DATA, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE DATA IS WHAT WE NEED TO USE MOVING FORWARD. ALL THE RULES ARE OFF THE TABLE ANYMORE. IT'S A NEW WORLD. THE RULES DON'T APPLY. WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE FUTURE AND I KNOW WHEN I WENT TO THOSE, ONE OF THE 86 THAT WENT TO THOSE MEETINGS , WHAT I SAW WERE PROJECTIONS THAT , WE ARE GOING TO EAT THAT UP QUICK BECAUSE OF WHAT MR. MATOVINA SAID. $500,000 HOMES ARE NOT WHAT WE NEED. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE OF THOSE . -- HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND HIS PEOPLE AND MAYBE SOME GOVERNMENT HELP TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SMALL HOMES THAT REAL PEOPLE, THAT WE NEED HERE AND CANNOT AFFORD WE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE -- I'M THE AFTER MENTIONED -- 435 . I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. HIS COMMENT ABOUT SUPPLY IS EXACTLY SPOT ON. AND IF WE CONTINUE TO BUILD DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE WHAT WERE PREVIOUSLY CALLED DRI , WHERE WE HAVE 502,000 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WITH AN AMENITY CENTER AND POSSIBLY A GATE , WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE FOUR OPTIONS FOR LIVING IN THIS COUNTY . SINGLE-FAMILY, DUPLEX, TOWNHOUSES, AND MIDRISE APARTMENTS. THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED MANY TIMES IS THE ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. BUT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE

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YOU BUILD THOSE AT 2 1/2 TO THREE STORIES MAXIMUM. AT THE SAME SCALE AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. NOW IF YOU DO PUD, YOU CAN GET THOSE UNITS -- BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ZONING CHANGES AND WHAT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND IS ONCE THE REPORT IS FINISHED, THE PCA -- PZA CONDUCT WORKSHOPS OR WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT AMENDING THE ZONING . MANY JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES ARE LOOKING AT FORM-BASED CODES WHERE THEY ARE THROWING UP THOUGH ZONING THAT WE ALL CURRENTLY USE UP MOST OF THE UNITED STATES AND GOING TO A FOREIGN-BASED CODE THAT GO WITH ROLL UP TO THE CITY CENTER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS DEVELOPED, WE'VE GOT ALL THOSE USES RIGHT IN THAT AREA. I MEAN YOU GOT COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL, YOU GOT HOTELS, YOU'VE GOT RETAIL. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT FOR THE FUTURE. BUT UNTIL WE CAN GET MORE OPTIONS THAN THOSE FOR, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET THE DEMAND TO BE IN THE SUPPLY TO WORK OUT WITH EACH OTHER. THOSE TWO LINES, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S TAKING ACCOUNTING 101, THOSE TWO LINES HAVE GOT TO CROSS EACH OTHER. FORCED TO BE AFFORDABLE. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR , FELLOW PZA MEMBERS, ESPECIALLY MR. GREEN IS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. I'M DEBBIE BROWNING AND I HAVE FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS LIVED IN THE LAST 25 THE TOWN CENTER AND THE REASON I MENTION IT TODAY AND Y'ALL WERE CONSIDERING THE COMP PLAN AND MAKING SEVEN YEARS PLANS HERE IS I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS WITH THE CONSULTANT AND STAFF OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. WE WERE BORN OUT OF THE 1995 GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT. WE STARTED IN '97, WHEN IT WAS STILL FIRST ADOPTION THAT THE COUNTY HAD.

FOR THE COMP PLAN. AND WE BASE OUR OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

ALL OF IT IS BASED ON THE COMP PLAN THE TOWN CENTER IS A VERY SPECIFIC STYLE OF BUILDING. WE DID NOT, AND I HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT VACANT RAN -- LAND , RULE LAND BEING USED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS THAT WE REDEVELOPED THE BEACH . OUR LITTLE TOWN AREA WITH THE COMP PLAN , WE TOOK VACANT LAND , STREETS NO CONTINUOUS ORDERS AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO GET A GROCERY STORE OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE A LOT OF US REMEMBER -- THE DIDN'T ALWAYS LET US COME AND GO. SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY IS , AND I'VE ASKED THE STAFF, AND I WILL SAY THAT -- AS FAR AS TALKING TO ME, AND THE GARDEN -- REGARDING WHAT'S HAPPENING.

WE DON'T WANT FOR THIS TO BE DRAFTED BY STAFF, SENT TO YOU AND TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND ON TO THE STATE WITHOUT US SEEING IF THERE'S SPECIFIC CHANGES TO OUR SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN. I THINK THERE'S A SPECIAL USE DISTRICT AND THAT TYPE OF THING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE NOBODY

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OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. DOUGHERTY, WE LOOK FORWARD

[2. ZVAR 2024-18 614 Twentieth Street. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section 2.02.04.B.12 of the Land Development Code to allow for a fence height of eight (8) feet in lieu of the maximum six (6) feet, and Section 6.01.03.H.3 to allow for a pool enclosure to have a five (5”) inch setback along the north property line and seven (7”) inch setback along the east, specifically located at 614 Twentieth Street.]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON . 614 20TH STREET. THIS IS THE AERIAL PHOTO AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO NOTICE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IF YOU LOOK IN THE TOP RIGHT SECTION, YOU WILL SEE HOW CLOSE POOL IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE . THE OTHER THING IS TO NOTICE THE DENSITY OF THE TREES AND THE TWO POLYMER HE AROUND THE HOUSE. -- TOPOGRAPHY AROUND THE HOUSE. OUR VARIANCE REQUEST IS TO INSTALL AN EIGHT FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AND WALL . TO PUT A SCREEN ENCLOSURE , FIVE INCHES ON THE NORTH SIDE. IT'S A POOL ENCLOSURE AND SEVEN INCHES OF THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE EAST SIDE. I WILL HAVE DRAWINGS TO SHOW YOU IN MORE DETAIL. NO WATER VIEWS WILL BE BLOCKED BY PUTTING A SCREEN ENCLOSURE . IT ONLY BLOCKS THE VIEWS OF OUR BACKYARD. THE EXISTING FENCE PREDATE THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN NO EXPANSION IS PROPOSED. WE BELIEVE THAT OUR REQUEST IS NOT CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST OR THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT WITH OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, WHICH WILL BE OUR BACKYARD AND ONE OF THE SIDE YARDS AND THEY ARE FINE WITH IT. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1973. IN THE EARLY 1980S, THERE WAS IN ADDITION TO THE HOME, AS WELL AS A POOL AND COOL AND SIX FOOT FENCE THAT WERE ADDED AT THAT TIME. WE KNOW IT WAS IN THE EARLY 80S JUST FROM TALKING TO NEIGHBORS.

THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND US, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1985 IT WAS IN BEFORE THEY BUILT THEIR HOUSE. WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE 10 YEARS AGO IN 2014 AND IT'S A TWO-STORY HOUSE. THE POOL AREA OF THE HOUSE IS SURROUNDED BY BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAK AND WATER OAK TREES. AND THE ONES THAT AFFECT US THE MOST AT THIS POINT ARE THE ONES ON THE NORTH ON THE EAST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORS YARDS. THE HOUSE IS A LITTLE OVER 200 FEET FROM THE INTERCOASTAL , WHICH PUTS IN ABOUT FIVE BLOCKS FROM THE ATLANTIC AND I MENTION THIS JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF HIGH WINDS THAT COME THROUGH

THE AREA. >> TO THE WEST, WHICH IS TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE POOL IS THE NEIGHBOR THAT , ONLY ONE HOUSE FROM THE INTERCOASTAL, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET BECAUSE THEY HAVE A VERY HUGE LOT AND IT IS A, IT'S FILLED WITH TREES AND NATURAL LANDSCAPING. IT'S NOT WITH BRUSH, THAT KIND OF THING. SO IT'S NOT CLEAR. WE TRIMMED IN FEBRUARY, WE TRIMMED THE TREES AROUND THE POOL AREA, WE GOT THE NEIGHBORS, WE ALL GOT OUT AND FIGURED WHAT WE COULD DO TO TRIM IT AS BEST WE COULD TO SEE IF WE CAN APPROVE THE SITUATION WITH THE DEBRIS IN OUR POOL AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT IT DID WAS IT LIFTED THE LOWER BRANCHES OF THE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY TALL SO WE COULDN'T REALLY GET THE

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AND THERE'S ONE IN THE POOL DECK , THAT IS , JUST RUN OFF FROM THE GUTTERS. AND THEN IS DIVERTED AWAY FROM THE BACK AREA BY THE POOL AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE PUT IN UNDERGROUND TO GET THE OTHER SECTION FROM THE ROOF. OKAY.

THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE AREA , AND WILL DISCUSS IT MORE HAVING TO DO WITH THE TREES AND THE NEXT SLIDE WILL GO INTO THE SLOPE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE ISR IS 43%.

OKAY. THIS IS JUST A HAND SKETCH THAT I DID, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, I WANTED TO NOTE A FEW THINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE POOL, YOU WILL SEE THAT RIGHT NOW, THE POOL DECK, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE , ONLY FOUR TO FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THERE IS A SKIMMER ON THERE AND BY THE TIME YOU FIGURE THE SKIMMER OF AT LEAST 18 INCHES, PLUS THE PLUGGING IS UNDERNEATH IT, A GOOD PORTION OF THAT IS ALL AT LEAST 2 1/2 TO 3 FEET AWAY FROM THE POOL LINE IS ALL PLUGGING THAT IN. WE CAN SEE WHEN THEY HAD DONE SOME REPAIRS ON THE POOL DECK. AND WITH REGARD TO THE POOL IS EIGHT FEET DEEP. WE NEED THE LONG POLES AND EVERYTHING TO RUSH AND TO CLEAN. ANYTHING LESS ACTUALLY 10 FEET IS THE BEST. BEING ABLE TO MANEUVER THE POLLS AROUND IF ANYTHING WAS SMALLER, WHICH JUST DON'T WORK. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW WITH THE TWO SECTIONS, IF YOU SEE WHERE IT MEETS THE HOUSE. WE HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL ABOUT THE HOUSE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE EAST OVER HERE THE POOL ENCLOSURE WOULD BE -- AND THAT WOULD BE 35 TO 37 FEET AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE. IT'S ABOUT 55 TO 60 FEET, WHICH WILL BE THE WALLS OF THAT POOL ENCLOSURE. THE , OH YEAH, THE DRAWING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLOPE. IF YOU GO TO THE WEST FROM THIS POOL AREA OVER , IT SLOPES UP SO IT SLOPES DOWN TO THE POOL. IT SLIPS UP AND AWAY.

THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, THAT'S ABOUT TWO FEET HIGHER AND IT SLOPES DOWN TOWARDS THE HOUSE AND THE EAST THERE, GOOD PROBABLY AT LEAST THREE FEET HIGHER AND THEY SLOPE DOWN TO THE HOUSE. TO ILLUSTRATE THIS, I WILL SHOW YOU THE VIEW, THE EXISTING FENCE IS SIX FEET TALL. HERE IS THE VIEW OVER THE

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A FEW MORE WHEN WE HAVE STORAGE, WE TEND TO GET CRABS INTERNALS. BOX TURTLE SEED LIKE THE POOL EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T SWIM WELL. BUT THE ONE THAT'S THE CHALLENGING ONE IS THIS LITTLE GUY. THEY VISIT US AND THEY GET ON THE SHALLOW END OF THE POOL WITH THE STEPS AND THEY FOUL THE WATER AND THEY STAY , IT'S NOT REALLY PLEASANT. SO WE HAD TO PUT UP A TEMPORARY BARRIER, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH THE NETTING, TO KEEP THEM OUT. WE PUT MOTION DETECTOR LIGHTS AND IT DIDN'T HELP. I MEAN THEY STAYED AWAY FOR A FEW DAYS AND THEN THEY REALIZE THAT THERE WAS NOTHING TO FEAR AND THEY JUST SEEM TO ENJOY THE LIGHTS AND CAME BACK. SO I SWIM AS LONG AS THE WEATHER PERMITTING, I SWIM EVERY DAY. IT IS KIND OF ANNOYING TO HAVE TO TAKE THIS ALL DOWN AND PUT IT BACK UP SO THAT I CAN SWIM SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE TREES ARE LIKE SURROUNDING THE POOL. THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE ACTUALLY IF YOU LOOK MORE TO THE WEST, THERE'S ANOTHER TREE THERE, BUT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE KIND OF PANORAMIC VIEW . THIS IS NORTH AND IT'S GOING TO HEAD EAST. IF YOU HEAD EAST TOWARDS THE QUARTER, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE TREES THAT SURROUND IT AND THEN FURTHER EAST TO OUR EAST PROPERTY OWNER, WHERE THE NORTH MEETS THE EAST AND THAT IS THE EAST SIDE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY VERY LARGE LIVE OAK AND WATER OAK TREES.

TO GIVE YOU, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF I SHOW YOU DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR AND THE TYPE OF DEBRIS THAT WE GET IN THE POOL JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. THIS WAS IN SEPTEMBER, 2022. THE PICTURE REALLY ACTUALLY DOESN'T DO JUSTICE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL HOW DEEP THE LEAVES ARE IN SOME OF THOSE PLACES. THEY ARE NOT JUST ONE LAYER. THEY ARE OFTEN SIX INCHES. IT TAKES QUITE A WHILE TO CLEAN IT AND OF COURSE, THE POOL CLEANER CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THAT. THIS IS, IN MARCH, WHEN WE GET ALL THE -- THEY CLOG UP THE SKIMMER IN PARTICULAR AND I HAVE TO GO OUT EVERY HOUR OR SO TO CLEAN THEM UP THROUGHOUT THE DAY. THIS GOES ON, EACH YEAR, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, ANYWHERE FROM FOUR WEEKS TO A COUPLE OF MONTHS SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT LONGER. IN AUGUST, YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD REALLY BE GETTING MUCH DEBRIS BUT THIS IS SOME OF THIS JUST SHOWS YOU THAT WE CLEAN EVERY DAY SO IT WILL BE SPOTLESS AT NIGHT AND THEN YOU, THE NEXT MORNING, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE. SO THAT WAS JUNE. THIS IS THE AUGUST ONE. SO SAME THING. AND THEN THIS IS A RECENT ONE IN OCTOBER. I SHOULD MENTION ALL THE PICTURES OF THE TREES I TOOK THEM JUST RECENTLY IN OCTOBER SO THAT IN THE FALL. NORMALLY THEY ARE MUCH MORE

DENSELY COVERED. >> SO A SUMMARY OF THE HARDSHIP. THE SLOPING TOPOGRAPHY CREATES ALMOST NO PRIVACY FOR US, AS OUR NEIGHBORS, WE ACTUALLY TALK TO THEM ACROSS THE FENCE, THEY CAN LOOK INTO OUR POOL. THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED, THOSE TREES ARE 30 TO 40 TALL -- AND BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, IT DOES PUT TONS OF DEBRIS DOWN INTO THE AREA AND IT REQUIRES DAILY CLEANING, CHEMICAL ADJUSTMENTS. I HAVE TO GO OUT EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS, JUST THE CHEMICALS, AND SOMETIMES DURING THE YEAR, I HAVE TO GO OUT MANY TIMES, MULTIPLE TIMES, AND AFTER STORMS THAT WE HAVE. WE CANNOT KEEP THE POOL DECK CLEAN OF DEBRIS AS WE BLOW IT, THEY FALL BEHIND US. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE CAN EVEN SCRUB IT AND KEEP IT CLEAN. IT'S JUST DIRTY. IT'S NOT JUST THE LEAVES BUT THE GREAT DIRT THAT FALLS INTO IT. ALL OF THIS, WHAT IT DOES IS IT CREATES REQUIREMENTS FOR EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF CHEMICALS BETWEEN CHLORINE, ACID, ALL THE DIFFERENT TABLETS. WE HAVE TO DO IT BUT WE ALSO HAVE ISSUES BECAUSE OF ALL OF THAT WHERE WE HAVE TO DRAIN THE POOL

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>> YES, MA'AM. >> FIRST FALL, I CAN SUPERVISE WITH YOU BECAUSE I HAVE A SMALL POOL AND MY HOUSE IS SURROUNDED BY LIVE OAK TREES AND I GET A LOT OF DEBRIS BUT I HAVE A SCREEN ENCLOSURE SO BUT THAT DOESN'T KEEP 100% OF THE MATERIAL OUT. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR, WE HAD TWO HURRICANES PASS THROUGH CLOSE BY, I HAD TO CLEAN THE AREA EXTENSIVELY. I UNDERSTAND THE BRANCHES IN THE BOWELS IN THE LEAVES AND THE CACTI AND ALL THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF CACTUS , BY THE WAY. SO I CAN SUPERVISE WITH THAT AND THE FACT THAT YOU DID NOT BUILD THE HOUSE AND YOU DID NOT PUT IN THE POOL DECK. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT THAT IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. I CAN DEFINITELY SYMPATHIZE YOU WANTING TO PUT YOU MENTIONED THE NORTH AND THE EAST, FAVORED TO THE WEST. I DIDN'T TALK TO THEM, THEY'RE SO FAR AWAY I CAN EVEN SEE THEM IN THE TREES. DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT AFFECTED THEM AT ALL SO I DIDN'T REALLY, I MEAN THEY GOT THE NOTICES BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE A SPECIAL EFFORT TO ASK THEM

ABOUT IT. >> OKAY. AND I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT FOR DISCUSSION BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. OKAY GREAT, BACK TO THE AGENCY? WOULD

SOMEONE LIKE TO DO -- >> MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE 2024-18- BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS AS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. GREENE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> I MENTIONED TO THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO AND AT THE PZA MEETING IN TERMS OF SCIENCE, WE HAVE A SIGN ISSUE SO I WANTED TO SEE -- THE SIGN LIMIT. SUGGESTING PERHAPS A LOT OF THOSE REQUESTS AND POSSIBLY LOOKING INTO THAT AND INCREASING SIGN SQUARE FOOTAGE, DEPENDING ON SIZE OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SO MANY MEGA BUILDINGS NOW. THEY ARE HUGE BOX, SO WITH REGARD TO THE SIX FOOT FENCE ORDINANCE, WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS AND DRIVING AROUND, YOU SEE A LOT OF EIGHT-FOOT FENCES ANYWAY, WHETHER THEY WERE AROUND OR NOT . WHO KNOWS? BUT PERHAPS WE OUGHT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE STAFF AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO RAISE THE LIMITS TO EIGHT FEET FOR FENCES SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THESE -- FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

EIGHT FOOT FENCE WOULDN'T BOTHER ME BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THAT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN WITH A 10 FOOT FENCE SO IN FACT, WE DID HAVE ONE LIKE THAT, WHICH WAS JUSTIFIED, ACTUALLY, PROBABLY A 50 FOOT FENCE IF I LIVED NEXT TO WHAT THEY WERE LIVING NEXT TO BUT THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION THAT WE LOOK AT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THAT TO ACCOMMODATE EIGHT-FOOT FENCES. BUSINESS PROCEDURE .

THAT'S THE NORM AND THAT'S IT. THANKS.

>> THANKS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, LET'S TRY AND REGISTER THIS VOTE FOR THE FIRST TIME. NOW WHAT DO I DO? OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

[3. SUPMIN 2024-07 Nettles 1801 Forbes Road. Request for a Special Use Permit to allow for the placement of More Than One Main Use Structure on a Residential Lot in Open Rural (OR) zoning, pursuant to Sections 2.03.28 and 2.04.07 of the Land Development Code, in conjunction with a Family Farm Lot Determination on five (5) acres of land, specifically located at 1801 Forbes Road.]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I APPRECIATE IT.

>> OKAY, I'M TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. MRS. SPIEGEL?

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>> YES, MANAGER. I DID A SITE VISIT AND I VISITED WITH MR. NETTLES . HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND HE ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS SINCE HIS WIFE IS NOT AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS LISA NETTLES. -- IN SAINT AUGUSTINE , WHICH IS 086, BUT THE PROPERTY MENTIONED IS 1801 FORBES ROAD AND WE ARE REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THROUGHOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FAMILY FARM. THERE WAS PREVIOUS -- FIVE ACRE PARCEL. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY TO THE PRIOR OWNER BUT CURRENTLY, MY SON LIVES ON THE EAST SIDE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. A SITE BUILT FOR HOME. SORRY.

HERE IS THE NEW EXAMPLE THAT WE WOULD BE BUILDING IN THE OUTLINE OF RED, THE EXISTING HOME IS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE THE POVERTY IS. THEN, TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS TO 15. AND THEN WE ARE IN THE BACK FAR CORNER ADJACENT TO A DEVELOPED PROPERTY. -- UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. HERE THE SITE PLANS THAT WE PROPOSED IS HERE. MY SON AND THIS IS THE THE MAIN ROADS. THAT'S FORBES ROAD. WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH SIDE. WE HAVE NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEY ARE FINE AND THERE'S NO -- BRIGADIER LAND OR BOTH EMPTY. JUST ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF OTHER PLANS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE LOT SIZES AND THE PROPERTY DENSITY.

>> OKAY, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM THREE? ALL RIGHT, BACK TO THE AGENCY. MR. MATOVINA?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2024-07 NETTLES 1801 FORBES ROAD , IN THE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> APPROVAL AND THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE BOAT.

[4. MINMOD 2024-18 Villages of St. Augustine (Outparcel 2). Request for a Minor Modification to the Villages of St. Augustine PUD (ORD. 2007-35, as amended) to allow for a Drive-Thru Order Box to be located approximately 110 feet from of a residentially zoned property in lieu of the required 200 feet per Section 6.08.16 of the Land Development Code. The subject property is located along the north side of SR 16, east of the SR 16/Woodlawn Road/Kenton Morrison Road intersection.]

>> THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ON TO IN THE VISIT. I WALKED AS FAR AS I COULD AROUND.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? >> I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER. I THINK THERE WERE A FEW PDFS WE HAD SHOWING THE PROPERTY. WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING A DENTAL OFFICE, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, SO, WE HAVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING PROPERTY. THERE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTIES NEAR US. ONE IS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF US. IT HAS BEEN ACQUIRED BY THE HOSPITAL. THEY ARE PUTTING IN URGENT CARE THERE. TO THE NORTH OF THEM, WE ARE APPROXIMATELY 197 FEET AWAY FROM THE USABLE PORTION OF THAT LOT. IT IS CURRENTLY BEING MARKETED AS AVAILABLE FOR REZONING TO

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THIS IS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL LINE IS. GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS WAS PLACED BACK IN 2007. SCROLL DOWN OVER HERE. HERE IS THE SECOND PAGE OF IT. YOU WILL SEE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED OUT, SHOWING THE BANK WITH THE THREE LANE DRIVE THROUGH IN THE SAME POSITION THAT WE ARE NOW DEVELOPING. IT IS RIGHT DOWN HERE. THIS IS THE LOT WE ARE DEVELOPING. THERE ARE DRIVE-THROUGH'S HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE LANES. WE ARE SHOWING ONE LANE OVER THERE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH. THE BOX IS BACK HERE. THIS IS AN OVERLAY OF THE SITE PLAN. THE FLAG IS RIGHT HERE. THIS LOWER PORTION IS ONLY A FEW FEET WIDE. THIS IS A DRAINAGE DITCH OVER HERE. THIS IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. THIS PURPLE LINE HERE UP TO HERE -- 197 FEET. THE RULING IS WE HAVE TO BE 200 FEET. IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER ANY RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS A SMALL PIECE RIGHT THERE. IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE BORDERS OF 200 FEET. AS I SAID, IT IS BEING MARKETED AS POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE FOR REZONING. EVEN IF IT WAS NOT.

RESIDENTIAL NOW. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS UNTIL RIGHT AT THE END. HE SET THE LINE GOING EAST WEST WAS 197 FEET?

>> CORRECT. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS 137 FEET.

>> SO THIS SECTION FROM HERE OFF THE LINE, IT IS MULTIPLE LOTS THAT ARE ALL BIGGER RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS A SLIM PIECE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP LIKE THIS. THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE NEXT TO IT, AND THEY ARE DRAINAGE DITCHES WITH RESIDENTIAL UP NORTH. THERE IS A PIECE RIGHT HERE THAT IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL. FROM THE VERY FIRST PIECE OF RESIDENTIAL WE COME TO COME IT IS 110 OR 130 FEET TO THIS FIRST PIECE. THEY ARE NARROW SLIVERS THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ON SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. >> I WOULDN'T THINK SO.

>> IT IS A DRAINAGE DITCH. >> OKAY. WELL. THAT IS 197 FEET. IT REQUIRES 200. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT. THANK

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YOU. >> MR. GREEN. WHAT TRIGGERED

THIS? >> IT IS THE ORDER BOX FOR THE

DRIVE THROUGH. >> I DON'T DISAGREE ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

>> I'M TRYING TO DISCERN WHAT ALL THOSE LINES ARE TO THE EAST. WHICH LINE IS THE RIGHT OF WAY? WHICH LINE IS THE

PROPERTY LINE? >> IS THAT THE BLACK LINE?

>> OUR PROPERTY LINE IS RIGHT HERE. THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE

RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE EAST. WHAT IS THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE EAST?

>> SORRY. IT IS RIGHT HERE. >> IS IT THAT BLACK LINE?

>> YES. THE BLACK LINE. >> WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT NORTH SOUTH LANE THERE THAT IS ON YOUR PROPERTY?

>> WHICH ONE? RIGHT HERE? >> YOU WENT OVER THE RED LINE.

IT LOOKS LIKE ASPHALT. THE VILLAGE CIRCLE ROAD. WHY IS IT

ON YOUR PROPERTY? >> THAT IS JUST THE WAY THAT PUD BROKE IT UP. THERE IS RESIDENTIAL UP TO THE NORTH.

VILLAGES IS ONE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY SOLD OFF THE FRONT PIECE TO DEVELOP FOR COMMERCIAL TO US.

>> WHAT IS THAT BUILDING TO THE EAST?

>> THE ROAD IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE THERE.

>> BUT YOU HAVE THAT GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE PARKING

SPACES AND THE ROAD. >> I AM NOT THE CIVIL ON THIS.

STEVE IS THE CIVIL. HE COULDN'T BE HERE BECAUSE HE HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY. THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS THAT PREVENTED HIM FROM MOVING THE BUILDING. THERE IS SOME SORT OF LIFT STATION UP HERE. THIS IS WETLANDS. I NOTE THERE WERE LIMITS ON WHERE WE COULD PUT THE BUILDING BASED ON THE WETLANDS THERE.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IF THE PROPERTY LINE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ROAD, WHICH IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, THEN THE SETBACK OUGHT TO BE MEASURED FROM THAT BLACKLINE. WHY NOT USE THAT AREA TO MAKE UP THE THREE FEET?

>> HOLD ON. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FOR THE RECORD, JACOB SMITH. I AM LOOKING AT THAT SAME PROPERTY LAYOUT HERE. I SEE SOME SETBACK INFORMATION ON THE SITE PLAN I'M LOOKING AT. I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR WHEN IT IS READING BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT THERE IS A BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE ASSOCIATED, OR DEVELOPMENT LINE LOCATED WEST OF THAT. SO OFFHAND, I'M HAVING TO DO MORE RESEARCH ON IT, BUT OFFHAND, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS SOME REASON THAT THAT PARCEL IS SET OVER.

>> OKAY. >> JUST THE FURTHER CLARIFY, CERTAINLY, THE APPLICANT DID CIVIL ENGINEERING TO GET THIS TO WORK, SO CONCEIVABLY, IT COULD BE CHANGED. THERE IS NO STAFF OBJECTION FOR THE PROPOSAL, AS IT STANDS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK .

>> BUILDING ON WHAT MR. MATOVINA SAID, I WASN'T GOING TO MENTION THIS, BUT NOW I AM. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR CARS STACKING THERE. YOU COULDN'T MOVE THE CALL BACK BOX BACK, THREE FEET TO THE EAST? THREE FEET? I WOULDN'T HAVE COME BEFORE US IF YOU HAD DONE THAT. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO.

>> IF WE WANT TO CLEAR EVERYTHING THAT IS LISTED AS RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE IT BACK FURTHER THAN THAT.

AND THEN YOU END UP WITH CARS STACKING INTO THE ENTRYWAY INTO THE PROPERTY. YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE DRAWING WHERE IT IS RIGHT

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I'M SAYING 197 FEET FROM ANYTHING THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY BE DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL, BUT BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW, WE ARE 110 FEET FROM SOMETHING THAT IS LABELED AS RESIDENTIAL

CURRENTLY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I DID GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. THERE IS A UTILITY EASEMENT ON THAT EASTERN PORTION WEST OF THE AISLE THAT YOU SEE THERE. SO THEY ARE STAYING OUT OF THAT, WHICH I THINK INCLUDES EVEN THE FIRE HYDRANT THERE. I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WHILE THIS APPLICANT IS SEEKING RELIEF FOR THE ORDER BOX ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, IT IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE ORDER BOX, LIKE THE APPLICANT AGENT, WITH OTHER FACILITIES LIKE BANKS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. NOT A MAJOR OBJECTION BY STAFF.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY. >> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? SEEING THEM, WE ARE BACK TO AGENCY PROMOTION.

MR. MATOVINA. >> OKAY. IT IS GREEN.

>> AFTER LOOKING AT THIS, AND REALIZING THAT EVEN IF YOU DON'T PARKING CAN BE OVER THE EASEMENT. IT WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE HE STILL NEEDS A VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE 100 FEET. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR MODIFICATION 2024-18, VILLAGES OF ST. AUGUSTINE, OUTPARCEL 2.

>> SECOND. >> THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK

[5. PUD 2024-06 Dog & Bog. Request to rezone approximately 5.56 acres of land from Workforce Housing (WH) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum of 12 residential dwelling units and a maximum of 5,000 square feet of commercial uses to accommodate for a proposed restaurant/office and an associated dog park facility, with the option to add an additional 5,000 square feet of commercial uses. The subject property is located south of West King Street, east of South Holmes Blvd, and north of West Augustine Park and Solomon Calhoun Community Center.]

YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> ITEM NUMBER 5. IS THERE ANY EX PARTE? MS. SPIEGEL.

>> YES. I DID A VISIT. AGAIN, AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY COULD, IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. CAN'T GET ON PROPERTY, OF COURSE.

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> MISS TAYLOR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. KAREN TAYLOR. WITH ME ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. THEY ON THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND AS TO WHY THEY WANT TO DO THIS. ALSO, HERE IS FLORA WITH SHE BUILDS.

SHE WANTS TO DO THE 12 UNITS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN I HAVE DYLAN SCANLAN WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN.

IT IS CALLED SOMETHING ELSE NOW, BUT I STILL CALL IT MATTHEWS DESIGN. HE WORKED WITH THE ENGINEERS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT. SO THIS IS THE LOCATION. SOME OF YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THIS. WE WILL GO OVER IT FROM THE WORKFORCE HOUSING REZONING FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. ANYWAY, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE GENERAL LOCATION SOMEWHERE -- I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT. THERE YOU GO. THIS IS 207. KING STREET WOULD BE HERE. THAT IS THAT NEW EXTENSION. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS THE CALHOUN CENTER AND STUFF THAT YOU PROBABLY KNOW.

JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, IT SHOWS YOU THAT CLOSER VIEW OF THAT GENERAL LOCATION, AND HOW IT MATCHES INTO THE REST OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN HERE. AS WE GO DOWN HERE INTO THE SCHOOL, AS WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF COUNTY ACTIVITY HAPPENING IN THAT AREA, TOO. FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL D. THAT ALLOWS 13 UNITS PER ACRE. WE ARE LOOKING AT 4.8, BUT ANYWAY, IT

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WHEN YOU DO THE ROAD, IT WILL BE A TYPICAL ROAD. IT WILL WORK INTO THE STORM WATER, WHICH IS A BIG PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, AND IT WILL INCLUDE SIDEWALK. SO THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL IS 2.58 ACRES. THAT IS THE EASTERN PORTION. THAT IS THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE BIG PARCEL. AS I SAID, IT HAS THE BUFFERS IN THE AREA. IT IS TO INCLUDE THE MAIN PARKING AREA AND THE DOG PARK FACILITIES. THERE IS A SMALL RESTAURANT AND OFFICE FOR THE FACILITY AS WELL AS FENCED IN AREAS FOR DOGS AND OPEN AREAS, EXERCISE AND PLAY AREAS, CHILDREN PLAY AREAS, POSSIBLE SEATING ON WALKING TRAILS. IT IS IN THE GRASSED AREA, IF THERE WAS A LOT OF DEMAND OR FOR SOME EVENT OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OVERFLOW PARKING AREA. IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE ACCESS TO THE MAIN PARCEL THAT WILL BE REMAINING. WE ARE TAKING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AT SOUTH NASSAU STREET, AND FROM THEN ON, IT WILL BE A COMMERCIAL DRIVE. IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE IMPROVED INTO A ROADWAY. THE PLAN IS TO INTEGRATE INTO THE AREA THE SAME SIZE LOTS. ACTUALLY USING THE EXISTING LOTS. AND IT TAKES IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE AROUND THERE AND WE HAVE THE PROTECTION OF THOSE AREAS. THIS IS THE ENTIRE PARCEL THAT I'M REFERENCING. IT WAS 31.75 ACRES, SO THERE IS A PORTION OF IT, BUT IT SHOWS YOU THIS ON AND KIND OF SHOWS YOU HOW THIS WORKS WITHIN THAT AREA. WHEN

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THEY WANT THE SOCCER FIELDS. WHEN THEY MET WITH THE WEST AUGUSTINE FOLKS, THEY SAID, WE LIKE SOME OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THIS IS A COMBINATION. WE ARE NOT DOING THE SOCCER FIELDS RIGHT NOW. BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE THE PLANT OF WHAT THAT WAS TO BE. WHEN WE WERE TALKING INTERCONNECTIVITY, THAT WAS DURING THE REVIEW, THEY STEPPED UP FOR THE FUTURE ROAD, IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN, EVER. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE TRACTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THIS IS THEIR OVERALL VISION. THE DOG PARK IS PART OF THAT OVERALL VISION. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS THE WHOLE PIECE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NEED TO REDO IT, BUT, JUST TO SHOW YOU THE WETLAND SITUATION, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR ON THE PIECES OF THE SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS HERE AND THE SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS OVER HERE. HERE IS THE OTHER PROPERTY. THIS IS MINIMAL. AGAIN, THIS SHOWS YOU THE OVERALL SITE. THIS IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE 5.56 ACRES. IT IS 1.33 OF WETLANDS. IT IS IMPACTING ABOUT 0.41. THAT IS FOR THE ROAD AND THE STORM WATER. AND WE DO HAVE CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER FROM THE CITY. I KIND OF BROKE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS 5.5 ACRES.

THAT INCLUDES THE IMPACTED WETLANDS, AND SO, IT KIND OF SWITCHES THOSE NUMBERS AROUND A LITTLE BIT. OUT OF THE 1.33 WE ARE PRESERVING 0.92, AND OF COURSE, IT IS REQUIRED BY THE AGENCIES. AND I INCLUDED THIS JUST AS A THING. NORTH IS TO THE LEFT. YOU CAN SEE IT TO THE NORTH. THIS IS WALL STREET.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. THIS IS THE ROAD THAT WOULD BE OPENED. THIS IS DONE BY SOMEBODY THAT WAS THINKING OF TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY TO DO DUAL LANES HERE, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS. IT DOES SHOW YOU DEVOL STREET, WHICH GOES ONE WAY, FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. THAT SHOWS YOU SOUTH OF ST. JOHN'S STREET FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO KING STREET. SO, RIGHT NOW, THE OTHER PORTION OF THE STREET IS TWO WAY. OURS WOULD BE TWO-WAY, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO, IF YOU WANTED TO GO SOUTH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH HERE, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO SOUTH ON THIS AND THEN COME BACK ALONG THAT TO GO TO THE CALHOUN CENTER, WHERE IT BECOMES OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY ROAD. JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THAT KIND OF THING, IT IS ESTIMATED AROUND 113 DAILY TRIPS, BASED ON THE FULL THINGS ABOUT WITH THE 5000. AND THE PEAK HOUR TYPE THING. THE RESIDENTIAL INCLUDES THE EXISTING PLATTED LOTS, AND THE COMMERCIAL IS, AS WELL. AND SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER HERE, THIS IS THE 12 HOMES ON THE 5.1 ACRES, AND IT REALLY IS -- I DO A LOT OF WORK WITH THAT HABITAT. THERE WAS A PROBLEM THAT THEY DID. WE HAVE SOME PICTURES TO SHOW YOU. THAT IS WHERE WE GOT THE IDEA, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO OPEN UP THE STREET AND IMPACT MORE WETLANDS AND THAT KIND OF THING. THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THE LOTS AS THEY ARE. IT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. EVEN THE PERCENTAGES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED. WE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE COUNTY ON THINGS ONCE IT GETS STARTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE

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AND, SO ANYWAY, FOR THAT. WE HAVE BROKEN INTO TWO PHASES BECAUSE AT THIS PHASE, WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DO THE LOTS AND THEIR ATTENTION ON PART OF THE STREET, AND THEN , WHEN WE GET READY TO GO TOWARDS THE DOG PARK, WE WILL FINISH OFF THE ROAD. AS IT ENDS INTO SOUTH NASSAU STREET. SO THE LOT SIZE IS AROUND 3000 SQUARE FEET. IT HAS SOME COVERAGES, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. THE SETBACKS ARE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE SEEN THE GARAGES HERE. MAXIMUM HEIGHT. AND TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT ARE GOING TO BE SHARED ON THAT CENTRAL DRIVEWAY. THAT IS A 20 FOOT STABILIZED PAYMENT. AND SIGNAGE , WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR EIGHT. WE ONLY WANT SIX. BUT WE DO WANT THAT. WE DO WANT THAT TO BE A LONG THE YARDS, SO, THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL, AGAIN, IT SHOWS THE LAYOUT FOR THAT. THAT IS THAT SMALL RESTAURANT. THERE IS OFFICE STORAGE AND FACILITIES FOR THE DOG PARK., AND THE ACCESS DRIVE THAT COMES OFF -- STILL HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT. THE ACCESS DRIVE THAT COMES OFF THE END OF 15TH STREET, AND IT SHOWS YOU THE BIG OPEN AREAS FOR ALL THE DOG ACTIVITIES. THE STORM WATER. IT IS PLANNED FOR EVERYTHING. AND, AGAIN, THE 20 FOOT BUFFER, PLUS THE 25 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK ALONG THAT EAST PROPERTY LINE. I DID INCLUDE SOME OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT COULD BE ANCILLARY TO THIS, OR WHATEVER. BUT, REALLY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH ANY OF THOSE, WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THOSE OUT. AND PARKING WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL. TO KIND OF GET TO THIS, TOO, WE HAVE SOME WAIVERS. AND THE WAIVERS -- I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED ON MY PICTURES. SO, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO EXPLAIN.

I OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

>> IT IS ON THE SCREEN. >> THERE WE GO.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, SO, OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU. I WILL EXPLAIN THE FIRST WAIVER. SO, TO ALLOW FOR THE DESIGN AND ACCOMMODATE THAT USE ALONG THOSE ROADWAYS, AND, AS I SAID, THEY WANT TO DO THE EASEMENT. THERE IS A WAIVER TO ASK TO USE THE EASEMENT FOR THE ACCESS. AS WELL, AS WELL AS HAVING ALL THE LOTS WITH DRIVEWAYS ALONG THE ROAD, THAT WAY THERE WILL BE ONE DRIVEWAY FOR FOUR UNITS, AND THE OTHER IS FOR THOSE 11 LOTS TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT, AND TO HAVE THE EASEMENT 20 FEET, RATHER THAN THE 30 FEET THAT IS REQUIRED.

SO, THAT ELIMINATES HAVING TO OPEN UP ALSO, IN THE REQUIREMENT TO 14TH STREET, WHICH WOULD BE ACCESS TO THIS PARTICULAR LOTS. YES. SORRY. I GOT CONFUSED. ANYWAY, THIS IS CANOPY OAKS. IT DOES KIND OF SHOW YOU. IT IS IN THE NORTH.

IT IS NOT VERY FAR FROM HERE. IT SHOWS YOU HOW THAT FUNCTIONS, AND HOW THAT WORKS. IT ACTUALLY DID WORK QUITE

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THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IT HAS WORKED OUT VERY NICELY. THAT IS THE ENTRANCE, BASICALLY, TO ONE OF THE QUADS. THAT IS THE ROW AS YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU WANT. SO, ON TOP OF THAT, WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO THE EASEMENTS, FOR THE ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTIAL ROADWAYS STANDARDS. WE ARE BASICALLY IN THE THING, SO, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO USE MORE OF A DRIVEWAY TYPE STANDARD FOR THAT. BUT, ALSO, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED FOR THAT TURNAROUND, WHICH WILL BE IMPORTANT, UNTIL IT ALL GETS FINISHED. TO ONE OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS. WE WERE HOPING FOR GUEST PARKING. WE ARE HOPING FOR SOME WAY TO DO THAT. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE 20 FEET, INSTEAD OF THE 30 FEET FOR THE EASEMENT. AND THE WAIVER, BECAUSE IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AND GENERALLY, PUDS ARE THEIR OWN THING. WE ARE DOING SETBACKS, INSTEAD OF THE BUFFER, SO IT BECOMES PART OF THE YARD, JUST LIKE ACROSS THE STREET WOULD, AND SO, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT. AND, AGAIN, WITH THAT PLAN, THE 20 FEET AT THE SOUTHERN LOT, IF YOU STARTED ADDING A BUFFER, YOU REALLY CAN'T WITH THE ROAD. THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT TO WAIVE THAT PUD STANDARD. ALSO, ALONG THE BUFFER, IT WOULD BE THOSE LOTS.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY MIGHT WANT TO FENCE IT. SO, WHEN WE SWITCH FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, WITH THE COMMERCIAL, THEY ARE REALLY ASKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO PARKING SURFACE.

THERE IS THAT ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. IT IS A PROBLEM. THEY SEE IT ALL THE TIME WITH DOGS. THEY COME IN. THEY FEEL LIKE IN THIS SITUATION, THEY ARE NOT PRETENDING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY YOUR STAFF AS AN ALTERNATIVE.

IT IS NOT TO SAVE MONEY. IT IS TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COOLER FOR THEM FOR THE DOGS. THAT IS FOR THE PEOPLE. SO, JUST THE TYPICAL ONES. THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES.

BECAUSE OF THOSE LOTS AND THE SIZES, AND THE WETLAND AREA THAT THEY CANNOT USE, IF THE REQUEST IS NOT BASED ON REDUCING THE COST OF DEVELOPING ANYTHING, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT IS WORTH IT, FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT IT PUTS TOGETHER. INCREASED CONGESTION. THIS IMPROVES THE HOUSING FOR 100 SOMETHING UNITS. IT IS NOT GOING. THE BLOCK WOULD'VE BEEN PLANNED FOR 126 HOMES. WE ARE ONLY DOING 12. IT WILL NOT DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES. WE HAVE TALKED THAT 08. IT IS NOT ON THE MAIN ROAD. IT IS IN AN AREA THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, BETTER. IT IS SURROUNDED BY WETLAND AREAS. EVEN IF THEY PUT IT IN. HOPEFULLY IN THE SOCCER FIELDS. IT WOULD BE LOTS OF OPEN SPACE. AND WE FEEL LIKE IT IS IN HARMONY, AS WELL. SO, I KNOW YOU CANNOT SEE THE SITE. I DID THE WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONING. MAYBE THIS WILL WORK.

THERE IT DID. SO, THE SITE IS RIGHT HERE. AND IT WOULD COME

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SO, YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENT OF THAT WETLAND AREA. AND THIS JUST GETS YOU A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, AND AGAIN, THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT LOOK AS PROMINENT. THERE IS ALSO THE RAILROAD TRACK OVER ON THAT SIDE. THERE IS ALSO THE RAILROAD TRACK ON THAT SIDE. THERE IS ALSO THE UTILITY EASEMENT THAT IS ALSO CLEARED, TOO. YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE DEVOL STREET.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT TURNS INTO A TWO LANE STREET.

THAT IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF THE SITE, COMING FROM THE WEST 15TH STREET. THAT HAS FULL SIDEWALKS ALONG IT AND BASICALLY A BIKE LANE, AS WELL. AND THAT IS TURNING THE OTHER WAY AND LOOKING SOUTH, GOING TOWARDS THE CALHOUN CENTER.

JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT IT DOES GO ALL THE WAY TO THAT. THIS IS THAT INTERSECTION. THERE IS THE ROAD AND THE CALHOUN CENTER, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. YOU CAN SEE THE DEVELOPMENT THERE, TOO. YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE THAT IS. SO THIS IS WEST 15TH STREET, THE ONE THAT IS 28 RIGHT NOW, THAT GOES BETWEEN DEVOL STREET AND SOUTH ST. JOHN STREET. THIS IS ST. JOHN'S STREET, SO OFF TO YOUR LEFT, TO THE LEFT IS WHERE 15TH STREET COMES IN TO THAT, AND THAT IS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK FROM 15TH STREET. SO, THIS IS 15TH, AND THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE REPORT ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS ROAD. THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I HEARD ABOUT THIS, BUT, WE WILL CERTAINLY DO WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY. IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, SEE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE. AND THIS WOULD BE THE END THAT I'M SHOWING YOU FROM THAT OTHER DIRECTION. SO, OVERALL, THAT IS THE VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE. AGAIN, I HAD THESE LAST TIME WHEN I WAS DOING THAT. YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE BALANCE OF THE SITE, AS WELL.

SO, AGAIN, I GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, BUT IT IS THE PARCEL FOR THOSE 12 LOTS AND THE 2.5 ACRES FOR THE COMMERCIAL PARK. THEY ARE REALLY DOING THIS. THEY FEEL LIKE THIS IS A COMMUNITY TYPE THING. THAT IS KIND OF WHY.

WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT HAS TO BECOME A COMMERCIAL DOG PARK, RATHER THAN THE OTHER -- THAT 12 LOTS THAT THEY MADE FOR THE ST. AUGUSTINE FOLKS. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. IT IS IN RESIDENTIAL D. IT IS 13 UNITS AND ACRE. IT IS CLOSE TO A LOT OF THINGS. TO THE SCHOOLS AND THINGS. YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IT IS THAT KIND OF AREA. THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE WITH THEIR DOGS, AND PEOPLE MAY BE WITHOUT THEIR DOGS THAT MAY BE THERE. THEY MET WITH THE WEST ST. AUGUSTINE FOLKS. THEY WELCOMED THE IDEA. THEY MOVED ON TO THAT. THE PUD IS DONE BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL TEAM. IF YOU DO COMMERCIAL, TEST BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY REQUIREMENTS. THE RESIDENTIAL WE WANTED TO DO -- IT WAS EASIER TO INCLUDE THAT.

CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. EVERYTHING WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AGAIN, EXCEPT FOR THOSE WAIVERS. THE ONE THING WITH THE PUD IS WE HAVE THE STANDARDS FOR THE

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>> THANK YOU. DR. HILSENBECK. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WAS WONDERING, AS I READ OVER IT SEVERAL TIMES, WHY NOT JUST ENTER THE PROPERTY FROM DUVAL STREET?

>> WE ARE ENTERING FROM DUVAL STREET.

>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO EXTEND TO 15TH STREET, AND END

AT THE PROPERTY. >> WE ARE OPENING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF 15TH STREET, ON OUR PROPERTY.

>> RIGHT. AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO ACCESS THE 12 RESIDENTIAL LOTS FROM 15TH STREET.

>> YES. >> SO WHY NOT JUST ENTER THE 12 RESIDENTIAL LOTS FROM DUVAL STREET?

>> DUVAL STREET HAS TWO LOTS THAT FACE IT. THERE IS NO EIGHT

TO ACCESS THE LOTS. >> OKAY. I DID NOT GET THAT.

>> ARE RIGHT. MAYBE WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE PLAN.

>> IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY COMING RIGHT UP TO DUVAL STREET.

>> YES. IT DOES. IT DOES. >> OKAY.

>> SHE IS TRYING TO USE THE PLATTED THOUGHT THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING. YOU HAVE TO ACCESS IT THROUGH TWO LOTS. YOU WOULD BE CUTTING THOSE LOTS, ESSENTIALLY.

>> THERE IS PARKING RIGHT THERE. YOU COULD COME OFF DEVOL STREET -- DUVAL STREET , AND HAVE THE SAME CONFIGURATION.

>> THEY ALSO NEED TO IMPROVE WEST 15TH STREET IN ORDER TO GET TO THE OTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY.

>> THAT IS MY NEXT POINT. YOU STATED THAT THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ANY WETLAND IMPACT FROM THAT SECOND PARCEL TO THE SOUTHEAST, BUT, THAT ROAD IS GOING TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL

WETLAND IMPACT. >> RIGHT. IT IS PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE NOT TAKING 15TH STREET, TAKING IT BEYOND THAT. THE COMMERCIAL PORTION WILL NOT, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> STILL, LOOKING AT THIS MAP, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH

ANY HOUSE. >> IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO DEVELOP

THEIR LOTS. >> I HATE LOSING ALL THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE ON THIS LARGER SET OF PROPERTIES. I'M SURE SUZANNE IS NOT HAPPY AT ALL. BUT READING THROUGH IT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO PROVIDE 30% OF THESE HOUSES FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

>> I LISTED WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE WITHIN THE CODE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT LAURA IS ACTUALLY -- I THINK AS SHE GOES THROUGH PRICING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO DO AT LEAST THAT UNDER WORKFORCE HOUSING.

>> YOU PRESENTED IT TODAY, THOUGH. BASICALLY ALL 12 WERE GOING TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

>> BASICALLY, YES. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU VERY, YEAH. AND HE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT --, SO IT IS STILL CONSIDERED WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT MEETS THE CRITERIA.

>> HOW MANY OF THE 12 ARE GOING TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING?

>> AT LEAST 30%. THE HOPE IS THAT SHE CAN DO MORE THAN THAT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PRICING COMES IN AT.

>> WELL, YOUR MDP SHOWS THAT THEY ARE BASICALLY THE SAME

SIZE. SO IT IS 33%. >> DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT?

>> YOU HAVE TO COME UP HERE. >> WHAT DEVELOPERS DO, AND SHE IS A BUILDER. NOT REALLY A DEVELOPER. SO, THEY MIGHT BUILD

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THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? >> I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, YES.

>> SO IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, IF SHE CAN BUILD THE HOUSE FOR THAT, THEN THEY ALL WOULD BE. BUT BECAUSE OF PRICING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT COME ALONG, THEN IT MIGHT BE HALF OF THEM. SO IT IS NOT AN EXACT FIGURE.

>> SO YOU CANNOT TELL US HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE THERE.

>> AT LEAST 30%. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. >> THEY MAY BE EXACTLY THE SAME HOUSES. BUT THEY MAY COST DIFFERENT.

>> RIGHT. THEY WILL SELL THEM FOR LESS THAN THEY CAN BUILD IS

WHAT YOU SAID. >> YES. YES. THEY GO AHEAD AND DO THE WORKFORCE, SOMETIMES LOWER THAN WHAT IT COSTS TO

BUILD IT. >> SO HOW MANY ACRES OF WETLANDS WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE EXTENSION OF 15TH STREET?

>> 0.41. >> 0.41 ACRES.

>> THAT INCLUDES 15TH STREET, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES WHERE THEY ARE DOING THEIR ATTENTION. YOU CAN SEE THE WETLAND LINE BEHIND THAT. SO THEY ARE IMPACTING THAT PORTION.

>> OKAY. SO, IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU HAVE TO IMPACT THOSE WETLANDS AT ALL. BECAUSE ALL THOSE SEPARATE PARCELS WERE OWNED BY THE GROUP THAT WAS GOING TO DEVELOP ALL THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THERE. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH

THAT STRAND. >> OH, YES THEY WERE.

>> I DIDN'T REMEMBER ABOUT THAT.

>> OKAY. WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS THE PERMITS. IT IS EXACTLY

THAT. >> I AM HAVING TROUBLE ORIENTING TO THAT. I SEE THE 12 LOTS.

>> OKAY. THEY HAD MORE THAN THAT. THEY WERE GOING TO IMPACT

MORE THAN THAT. >> OKAY. THEY WERE GOING TO ENTER THE SOUTHEASTERN PARCEL FROM THE NORTH.

>> FROM 15TH STREET. THEY WERE EXTENDING 15TH STREET, AND THEY WERE TAKING IT ALL THE WAY WHERE WE ARE TAKING IT.

>> OKAY. THEN THEY WERE CREATING A NEW RIGHT-OF-WAY

THAT WOULD BE IN THE PRODUCT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> THERE ARE LIMITING FACTORS ON THIS SITE, TOO. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS AREA IS ALL WETLANDS. THAT IS EIGHT 100 FOOT POWER LINE EASEMENT. PHYSICALLY, THIS PORTION OF THE SITE, EVEN UNDER THEIR PLAN, THEY HAD IT AT THE PARK. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

AND THE SOCCER ONE I SHOWED YOU, TOO, WE WOULDN'T BE

IMPACTING THAT AT ALL. >> THERE WERE SO MANY WORKFORCE HOUSING UNIT BENEFITS IN MY MIND THAT IT WAS WORTH IT. NOW,

WE ARE GETTING SO MUCH FEWER. >> THAT IS TRUE. FROM THEIR STANDPOINT, NOW, IT COULD GO BACK TO HAVING WORKFORCE HOUSING THERE. WE ARE LEAVING THAT ZONING. NIGEL MIGHT WANT TO COME UP AND SAY A WORD OR TWO. BECAUSE IT IS THEIR

VISION. >> SURE.

>> I LIVE AT 232 VISTA BOULEVARD.

NEVER SOMETHING WE THOUGHT TOO MUCH ABOUT. WE KNOW THE CITY HAS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH FIELD SPACE. ARSON IS A COMPETITIVE SOCCER PLAYER. WE ALSO KNOW THAT HOUSING IS AN ISSUE.

LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY, SEEING ON THE ISLAND HOW QUICK THE DEVELOPMENT HAS GONE, AND HAVING THE BUSINESS OUT, IF WE CAN SAVE SOME SPACE, AND KEEP IT OPEN, THAT IS OUR GOAL. AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE CRA, MR. SIMMONS WAS FANTASTIC. HIS BIGGEST THINGS WERE MAKING SURE THAT HIS COMMUNITY FELT INVOLVED. A SPORTS COMPLEX WOULD DO THAT. WORKFORCE HOUSING -- HE FEARS, AS I DO, IN TIME, IT WILL TURN INTO AIRBNB'S. IT ONLY HOLDS IT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. THEY ARE PROVIDING A COMMUNITY AREA FOR THEM, MEANING THAT RESTAURANT WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE EASY ACCESS TO THAT HAS

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TO BE HAPPY AT THEM. >> GOOD ANSWER. IT IS HARD TO

VOTE AGAINST DOGS. >> IT IS A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.

ONE OF OUR FRIENDS IS A DISSENTER. HE IS BUILDING A FACILITY THAT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD FLORIDA HOME. WE WANT TO MAKE IT FIT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I MADE HIM DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK AT THE HOUSES, SO THAT, IT MENTIONS WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE, AND WE DON'T CREATE THIS SORT I THAT WE SEE IN COSTCO. WE WANT TO CREATE A SPACE THAT PEOPLE FROM WEST ST. AUGUSTINE -- MY DAUGHTER ATTENDS MURRAY DOES WANT TO ATTEND AND GO TO, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY, AND PROVIDE SOMETHING MISSING THERE, WHICH, WHEN WE GO TO THE CALHOUN CENTER, IF MY KIDS ARE HUNGRY, I AM S.O.L.. THE BASEBALL FIELDS ARE ALWAYS BUSY. HAVING A HEALTHY ALTERNATIVE THERE FOR A SNACK IS SOMETHING I THINK ABOUT. IF WE ARE ALL DAY THERE FOR SOCCER, I HAVE TO LEAVE AND COME BACK TO FEED MY SON.

>> OKAY. >> WHY ON YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DO YOU ONLY SHOW THE 5000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING? YOU ARE ASKING FOR 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

>> I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT. THAT WAS MY ADVICE TO HER, THAT IF THEY COME IN, IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR MORE OFFICE SPACE OR SOMETHING RELATED TO IT, ACCESSORY SHEDS, THINGS LIKE THAT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE COVERED, SO THAT IS WHY THE NUMBER IS THERE.

>> SO WE ARE VOTING ON SOMETHING IT DOESN'T SHOW THE OTHER 5000 SQUARE FEET, WHERE IT IS?

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> THERE IS AN INTENT TO SELL ALCOHOL IN THE RESTAURANT?

>> MOSTLY FROM LOCAL BREWERIES. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO CARRY ANY

LIQUOR. >> OKAY. WELL, WHAT CONCERNS ME, EVEN ABOUT THE BEER AND WINE IS IT IS ABOUT 1000 FEET FROM A CHURCH. YOU HAVE A YOUTH SOCCER AND BASEBALL SPORTS COMPLEX. THERE IS GOING TO BE ALCOHOL SOLD. HOW DO YOU FEEL

ABOUT THAT? >> MY HONEST ANSWER IS, GROWING UP AS AN ATHLETE, I PLAYED SOCCER HERE, THEY GO WELL TOGETHER AS LONG AS THEY ARE DIMINISHED. I HAVE NO PROBLEM THROWING SOMEONE OUT IF THEIR BEHAVIOR IS INAPPROPRIATE.

>> DON'T THINK I'M AGAINST ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION, SO. I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE BY THE YOUTH SPORTS COMPLEX,

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, TOO, BUT, A LOT OF ATHLETIC THINGS, A LOT OF THEM DO HAVE ALCOHOL AVAILABLE.

>> IT IS NOT CHILDREN DRINKING THE ALCOHOL.

>> IT IS NOT CHILDREN. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT IT IN THAT PATHWAY, IF THEY WANTED IT, BUT THEY MAY NOT WANT THAT. THAT KIND OF THING. IT IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE THE KIDS ARE ABLE TO RUN THROUGH AND COME OVER.

>> YOU ARE SEEKING INTERCONNECTIVITY.

>> INTERCONNECTIVITY. >> THERE WOULD BE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON 15TH, TRYING TO MANEUVER, AND AS WE SAID, THE TWO-WAY, AND THE ONE-WAY ROADS AND STUFF. WE TOOK THAT OUT.

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>> OUR PRIMARY CLIENTELE IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE IN THE BAR. THERE IS AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL PLAYGROUND. IT SERVED FOOD. MY CHILDREN WERE IN HEAVEN. I HAD A BEER, AND I HAD A NICE MEAL, AND THEN I HAD PEACE WHILE THEY HAD PEACE.

PROVIDING THAT ALSO INCREASES THE PROBABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT BECAUSE MYSELF, AS A MOM, AFTER A BUSY DAY, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO TO THE PLAYGROUND UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING IN IT FOR ME. FOR ME, THAT IS OFTEN A GLASS OF WINE, SO I CAN SETTLE DOWN AND ENJOY MY FAMILY. IT IS NOT A PLACE THAT I WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO COME TO GET DRUNK. IF THAT IS THEIR INTENT, WE DON'T WANT THEM. WE WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING WITH THEIR FAMILY THAT ARE TRYING TO SPEND TIME WITH FAMILY, BUT ALSO, NEED TO UTILIZE THE SPACE TO HAVE THEIR CHILDREN RUN AND THEIR DOG RUN, SO THEY CAN ALL HAVE PEACE.

>> LET ME JUST ASK THIS. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS BEING COMPATIBLE, SINCE IT IS A RES D AREA, AND YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AREA.

>> I THINK IF IT WERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD BE IN HEAVEN. IT IS A PEACEFUL, HAPPY PLACE THAT BRINGS THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. WE LIVED BEHIND HERE. EVERY SERVER KNOWS OUR CHILDREN. THEY KNOW US. IT IS A COMMUNITY BAR. IT IS A BAR, BUT IT IS A FAMILY DRIVEN PLACE, WHERE I FEEL SAFE, AND THEY ARE 10 AND 11 OPERATOR THAT IS THE GOAL YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS. IT IS A PLACE WHERE OUR KIDS FEEL SAFE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I THINK WHERE IT IS LOCATED, TOO, EVEN THOUGH THAT SEEMS KIND OF UNUSUAL, AT FIRST, I WAS LIKE, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THAT ON THE ROAD. THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, YOU HAVE TO WANT TO GO THERE. YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING THERE. YOU DON'T JUST DROP BY AND DROP IN TYPE THING. THERE IS AN ACTIVITY THERE. LIKE I SAID, IT IS GOING TO BE HOURS OF OPERATION. YOU COULD EVEN PUT THAT IN THERE, IF THAT IS MORE COMFORTABLE. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT. THAT IS NOT THE

INTENT, AT ALL. >> OKAY. THANKS.

>> HI. >> HI. WELL, I'M ALL ABOUT THAT. THAT IS GREAT. I LOVE THE DOG PARK. THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING. I AM SEEING THE INTERCONNECTIVITY WITH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE HOUSING COMING DOWN 15TH STREET, GOING TO THE DOG PARK AND CUTTING THROUGH THE BALL FIELDS IF THE KIDS ARE INVOLVED IN THAT SPORT. YOUR PRESENTATION WAS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THIS, AND I NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU. I WAS NOT CONVINCED. STILL, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I AGREE ABOUT THE BEER AND WINE, BUT I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THAT. THAT CONCERNED ME A LOT. YOU HAVE A LITTLE PATH IN THERE THAT THEY CAN WALK RIGHT THROUGH. THE DOG PARK DID CONCERN ME A LITTLE BIT. HORRIBLY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'VE GONE FROM 26 UNITS DOWN TO FOUR.

>> I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY FOR A WILD.

>> CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE?

>> I WAS LOOKING AT HIS PROPERTY FOR A WHILE. MY HUSBAND TOLD ME I WAS CRAZY, WHICH, I AM. HE HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING. MY HUSBAND WENT TO PRESENT, AND THAT IS WHEN WE FOUND OUT IT WAS THERE. THE WHOLE THING HAD BEEN DROPPED. THEY ARE HELPING US WITH SOME OF THE STUFF, BUT HE SAID FINANCIALLY THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO IT. YOU COULD NOT BUILD THAT MANY WORKFORCE HOUSES AND AFFORD IT. WE ARE JUST TWO PEOPLE.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. >> IF WE WOULD'VE KNOWN, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE STEPPED ON IT. WHEN IT GOT PRESENTED, WITHOUT, OH, GREAT, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY, THEN WE REALIZED, OH MY. THEY NAMED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING.

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>> DID YOU ADOPT THE DOG AND BOG?

>>? ON A -- WE OWN A ANIMAL HOSPITAL. THE LANDOWNER WAS ASKING OVER 2 MILLION. IT WAS A SWAMP. I THOUGHT, IT WOULD BE THE DOG AND BOG. WHILE THEY ARE WAITING FOR DIAGNOSTICS, THEY CAN GO AND SIT AND COME BACK AND THEY CAN TAKE THEIR DOG AFTER IT GETS VACCINES, AND EVERYTHING WOULD WORK GREAT, BUT THEN NEVER DEVELOPED. INSTEAD, WE GOT A GIANT STORAGE

UNIT. >> THAT IS A SUPER WONDERFUL

THING THERE. >> JUST LET YOU KNOW, TOO, BECAUSE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE -- THAT WAS 106.

WORKFORCE HOUSING. 30% -- >> 26 UNITS.

>> YES. IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT MORE UNITS. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I AM ALL FOR IT. I HAVE ANOTHER HABITAT ONE COMING, BY

THE WAY. >> THERE IS A LOT TO ME OF THE NET AREA. I GET IT. I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BE SAD, THOUGH, KAREN.

IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. I GET IT, BUT I AM ALWAYS GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. MIGHT YOU CONSIDER THE RESTRICTION OF FIVE OR 10 YEARS RATHER THAN THE TWO YEARS? I DO NOT SEE THAT THAT BENEFITS OUR COUNTY AT ALL. IT IS TWO YEARS ACCORDING TO OUR COUNTY CODE.

MR. SMITH. I AM PRETTY SURE IT IS TWO.

>> FOR THE PRICE OF HOUSING. >> FOR THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING, HOMES HAVE TO BE. THEY CANNOT SELL AT THE MARKET RATE UNTIL

-- >> WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN DO A ONE DOLLAR HOA THAT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO BUY, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

SOMETHING THAT MAKES THAT EXTENDED. IT MAKES LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE -- IT HAS TURNED INTO AN AIRBNB.

INAUDIBLE ] >> I THINK YOU WOULD CONSIDER

THAT. >> IT KEEPS SOMEBODY FROM

SELLING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. >> IT IS A TWO-YEAR TURNAROUND.

>> RIGHT. >> HI. I'M RYAN. RYAN MEYER.

THE REASON WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TWO SOUTHERN PARCELS IS TO BUILD THE SOCCER FIELDS THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE. I WOULD SAY THAT IS NOT OFF THE TABLE. THAT IS WHY WE ARE FOCUSING ON THOSE UNITS. THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. THAT LETS US PAY FOR ALL OF THAT. AS WE LOOK FOR PARTNERS IN THE SOCCER WORLD, WE CAN GAIN SOME FUNDING. THAT IS TO GET THE SOCCER FIELDS BUILT.

THAT IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. >> I WILL CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR PROSPERITY FOR YOU IN THAT CASE. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. MR. MATOVINA. >> I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO

DRIVE TO THIS PROPERTY. >> I HAVE BEEN THERE.

>> YOU GO RIGHT PAST THE POOL. THERE IS A LITTLE DRIVEWAY. YOU

TURN DOWN THERE. >> MY POINT WITH THAT WAS, IT IS AN ODD PLACE TO PUT A COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR. I AM NOT SURE -- IT IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WILL HAVE THE DEMAND TO SUPPORT A RESTAURANT THERE. I TRY TO RACK MY BRAIN AROUND COMPATIBILITY. PERHAPS I COULD LIVE WITH THE RESTAURANT, BUT, ENTERTAINMENT, RETAIL,

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RETAIL MEANS A LOT OF THINGS. HOSPITALITY MEANS HOTELS.

>> THOSE ARE NOT NEIGHBORHOOD USES.

>> WHY ARE THEY IN THIS APPLICATION?

>> I JUST TOOK WHAT I DID. I TOOK THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES, AND THEN I ELIMINATED A LOT OF THEM, BUT I DIDN'T ELIMINATE THOSE. BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT,

>> I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS IF THOSE WERE ELIMINATED.

>>

QUESTIONS. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> SEEN NONE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE?

>> ROBERT. I AM ROBERT NIMMANS. I HAVE MR. COOPER BACK HERE. HE LIVES ON 10TH STREET. I LIVE ON NINTH AND ST. JOHN'S. I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT CRA SHE IS SPEAKING ON. WE ARE AWARE THAT IT WAS 105 OR 108 WORKFORCE HAS IS COMING IN. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO BILLY ABOUT THE CORNER LOT DEVELOPMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- WHAT WE DO LIKE ABOUT THE DOG PARK IS THE IDEA OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS GOING IN THERE.

IT CAN'T BE A WORKFORCE HOUSE OF 30%. THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE BROUGHT INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE WERE TOLD IT IS GOING TO BE 12 UNITS, WORKFORCE, EVEN IF IT GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A WORKFORCE HOUSE, WE HAVE TO UPHOLD THAT IDEA, OR THAT COMMITMENT, THAT WE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY. ALSO, LOOKING AT THE AREA, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NATURAL DRAIN OFF AND RUN OFF. IT IS CONCERNING BECAUSE THE PICTURES, AS SHE WAS SHOWING 15TH STREET, 13TH AND THAT, IT LOOKS -- YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I DO. AND I KNOW THAT ANDERSON STREET , WHERE THE PROPERTY ENDS, GOING TOWARDS ST. JOSEPH ACADEMY, FOR SOME REASON, THERE IS NO OUTLET GOING THERE. IT IS GOING THROUGH THERE FOR ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING COMING OFF OF DUVAL STREET. I THINK IT CAN WORK, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH THERE FROM THE BASEBALL FIELDS AND ALSO THE CALHOUN CENTER. GREAT IDEA FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF GOOD BUSINESS. A LOT OF GOOD THINGS CAN COME OUT OF THAT, BUT IT IS CONCERNING, ABOUT THAT STREET, HOW YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE GOOD TRAFFIC FLOW THAT IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU ARE WRAPPING AROUND 14TH STREET, 15TH STREET. THAT IS COMING DOWN DUVALL STREET.

IT CAN GET TRICKY. SO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THAT WORKFORCE HOUSE, I CANNOT EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DO 30%. THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK. MY VIEW OF IT, AS CHAIRMAN, IT LOOKS GOOD. IT IS A GOOD PLAN, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THERE, WITH THE STREET AND OTHER STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT. THAT IS JUST MY RECOMMENDATION. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> SUZANNE KLULA. I SPENT -- WHAT I HEARD IS THAT ONLY ONE OF YOU WENT FOR A SITE VISIT. YOU ALL NEED TO GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TAKE A LOOK. I HAVE DELIVERED FOOD FROM FOOD PANTRIES BACK IN THAT AREA FOR YEARS. I KNOW WHAT THOSE ROADS

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AND THEN, TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL? YES. I UNDERSTAND. I AM NOT A DRUNKARD ANYMORE, BUT, YOU CAN HAVE ENOUGH BEER AND WINE THAT I WOULDN'T WANT THEM DRIVING DOWN THOSE NARROW ROADS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN IF THEY WERE SOMEWHAT INTOXICATED.

THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. IT IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME UNTIL I THINK MORE PEOPLE CAN LAY EYES ON WHAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT. I THINK THE SOCCER FIELDS -- WELL, THAT IS WONDERFUL. YOU ARE TAKING AWAY A LOT OF TREES FOR SOCCER FIELDS. I WOULD RATHER SEE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNT. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A MIXUP OF WHAT IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. IS WORKFORCE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE WORKFORCE, OR DOES THE WORKFORCE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR IS IT JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN GENERAL? BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT TERMS ARE BEING USED, AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY GETTING BUILT. OKAY.

BECAUSE THE WORKFORCE -- YOU ARE GOING STRAIGHT FOR THE WORKFORCE. THAT IS A MINIMUM OF $260,000 FOR THAT UNIT. THAT IS THE BASE PRICE. WHEN YOU ADD ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO IT, IT CAN BE $270,000 THEY ARE PAYING FOR THAT. OKAY. BUT IS THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT INCOME LEVEL ARE THEY? LOW? LOW MEDIUM? OKAY, OR VERY LOW? SO, I THINK THAT IS WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE WHOLE ISSUE OF HOW TO USE THE WORDS. IT IS THE WORDING THAT GETS THE POINT ACROSS, BUT WHEN THE BUILDING -- IT IS A DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAN WHAT THEY SAID. THAT IS VERY, VERY MUCH ABUSED AND HOW THEY ARE BEING PRESENTED. IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IF IT IS WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT IS A MINIMUM OF 260 K FOR THAT ONE UNIT. IS IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? ONLY FOR THE WORKFORCE. THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING. IT LOOKS GREAT. IT LOOKS FEASIBLE, BUT WHEN YOU START ROLLING IN THE CAUSE AND HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE, THERE'S ONLY THREE OR FOUR WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THERE. HOW MUCH WILL THE OTHER WANTS COST FOR THE SAME HOUSE? THIS IS BECOMING A VERY, VERY

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 5? MISS TAYLOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

RESPOND? >> JUST A BIT QUICK. I APPRECIATE MR. NIMMANS'S COMMENTS, AS WELL. WE WILL WORK ON THAT AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THAT KIND OF STUFF. REGARDING THE WORKFORCE, AND AGAIN, IT IS HARD TO BUILD. BUT, I THINK, AS I TRIED TO EXPLAIN, FOUR OF THE UNITS WOULD AT LEAST MEET THAT.

WE AGREE THAT ALL 12 UNITS WOULD FALL UNDER THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR THE RESALE. THAT WOULD BE 10 YEARS. YOU CANNOT RAISE THE PRICE. YOU CAN'T WHATEVER AND SELL IT TO A NORMAL PERSON. TWO YEARS -- I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WENT TO TWO YEARS. I HAVEN'T LOOKED CLOSELY AT THAT. THAT IS TO TRY TO KEEP THEM. AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU. I WAS DOING THIS WORKFORCE. THEY DON'T DO ALL OF THEM THAT WAY. THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL FINANCING. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THROUGH OTHER AGENCIES THAT HELP THE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN GET THEM IN AS THEY ARE BUILDING THEM. LAURA HAD TO LEAVE, BUT SHE TRIES HER BEST.

SHE DOESN'T ALWAYS DO THEM IN WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT THAT IS HER PRICE POINT. THAT IS WHERE SHE HAS BEEN WORKING AT. AS FOR THAT. SECONDLY, TO LEAVE AS IS, UNFORTUNATELY, AGAIN, AND I THINK HE SAID THAT, IF SOMEBODY LIKE A BIG-TIME DEVELOPER CAN'T DO IT, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO DO. THAT IS ALSO WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT IS ALSO, AGAIN, THE 30%. IT IS NOT LIKE YOU ARE GETTING AN AGREEMENT. YOU ARE GETTING YOUR AGREEMENT. SO, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE ALSO IS BASED ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. THEY COME UP WITH DIFFERENT THINGS. I KNOW THE COUNTY ADJUSTS THAT EACH YEAR, AS WELL. IT IS THE NEWER ONE.

SO WE DO FEEL LIKE IT IS APPROPRIATE. WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY, AND, APPRECIATE YOUR

RECOMMENDATION. >> THANK YOU, MISS TAYLOR. BACK INTO THE AGENCY. ANYONE? MR. MATOVINA. YES, MISS TAYLOR.

>> FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR PUD 2024-06 DOG & BOG. I DO NOT SEE ANY REASON TO VOTE AGAINST WORKFORCE HOUSING. BY RIGHT, THEY CAN GO IN RIGHT NOW AND BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT, AND BUILD IT. THEY ONLY HAD TO DO FOUR UNITS. THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. USING THE PUD, THEY ARE CUTTING DOWN ON THE COST TO DEVELOP THOSE

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THEY HAVE TO USE THE PUD VEHICLE. I THINK THE PUD VEHICLE IS A GOOD USE HERE TO KEEP COSTS DOWN, AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THE ZONING, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. WE STRUGGLED WITH PUTTING A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT BACK THERE. I'M NOT SURE IT'S VIABLE, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT FOR US TO DECIDE. IT STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB BACK THERE. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU READ WHAT COMPATIBILITY MEANS, IT SAYS, THAT COMPATIBILITY IS -- LAND USE INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO PERMITTED USE STRUCTURES AND ACTIVITIES ALLOWED WITHIN THE LAND USE CATEGORY OR ZONING DISTRICT. WELL, THE LAND USE CATEGORY IS THE SAME FOR ALL OF THE PROPERTY AROUND THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO, IF THAT LAND-USE PROPERTY IS THE SAME, THEN PRESUMABLY, THE OTHER ONE IS THE SAME. FOR THAT REASON, I THINK IT IS COMPATIBLE. AGAIN, IT STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, IN MY OPINION. BASED ON WHAT IT SAYS, I BELIEVE IT IS COMPATIBLE.

>> ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? INAUDIBLE ] OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? MR. MATOVINA. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES, 5-2.

[6. COMPAMD 2024-03 Schneider Family Campground (Transmittal). Request for a Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map designation from Rural/Silviculture (R/S) to Rural Commercial (RC) for approximately 120 acres of land, specifically located at 8000 US Hwy 1 South.]

WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANY EX PARTE. MR. WHITEHOUSE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, AGENCY NUMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES WHITEHOUSE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHNEIDER FAMILY FOR CPA2024-03, A REQUEST FOR A RURAL CAMPGROUND AS PART OF THEIR UPDATES AND ADDITIONS TO THIS PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED -- THIS IS LOCATED -- AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR STAFF REPORT, ALONG U.S. 1 SOUTH. SOUTH OF THE 206 U.S. ONE INTERSECTION, AND NORTH OF THE 95 CENTER SECTION.

THIS PARTICULAR SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, FROM THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS MY APPLICATION, IS LOCATED IN A GREAT LOCATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, BASED ON WHERE IT IS. IT IS A CUTOUT THAT IS SURROUNDED BY THE STATE FOREST, AS WELL AS THE STATE PARK ALONG THAT AREA OF US-1. IT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE STAFF REPORT, TO BEACH ACCESS, THE STATE PARKS, WATERWAYS, HIKING TRAILS, HISTORICAL SITES AND ATTRACTIONS , AS PROMOTED BY THE COUNTY AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, RV CAMPGROUNDS, AS WELL AS RV PARKS, ARE PROMOTED.

THIS IS A GREAT AREA FOR THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, AS I SAID.

THE CRESCENT BEACH ACCESS IS RIGHT THERE FROM 206. IT IS JUST NORTH OF THIS. IT IS BY THE STATE PARK AND THE STATE FOREST. THE NATIONAL MONUMENT IS NOT VERY FAR AWAY, AS WELL AS BUT RAMPS AND ATTRACTIONS SUCH AS MARINE LAND. LIKE I SAID, IT IS A PERFECT SITE FOR THIS REQUESTED USE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT IS A PUZZLE PIECE THAT FITS INTO THE AREA THAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY, AND FOR THE RV CAMPGROUND USE, THAT IS PERFECT, BECAUSE IT IS EASY ACCESS TO THESE PLACES, WHEN PEOPLE COME AT CAMP THERE WITH THEIR RV. IT IS LOCATED SPECIFICALLY AT 8000 U.S. 1 SOUTH. OVER THE YEARS, IT HAS BEEN USED FOR EQUESTRIAN USES, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER USES, AS LISTED IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR'S RECORD. FUTURE LAND USE OF THE MAP IS

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THAT IS WHY WE BELIEVE IT IS A PERFECT SPOT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE, ASKING FOR THIS PARTICULAR LAND-USE UPDATE. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL ON YOUR STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS A PIECE OF LAND THAT HAS BEEN CLEARED UP FOR MANY YEARS. A LOT OF IT IS PASTURELAND USED FOR EQUESTRIAN USES AND PRIMITIVE LAND USES, ET CETERA. THE ZONING IS O.R.. OUR REQUEST IS FOR RURAL COMMERCIAL LAND-USE TO ALLOW RV CAMPGROUNDS, PART OF ADDITIONS, FOR THIS PROPERTY, AS WE TALKED ABOUT , THE REASON WHY THIS IS THE CATEGORY IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE CATEGORY THAT CALLS OUT THOSE SPECIFIC USES. A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN USED ON THIS SITE HISTORICALLY AND IT ALLOWS FOR THE RV CAM BROWN, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND AS I FAILED TO MENTION, THE SCHNEIDER FAMILY IS HERE WITH ME, TODAY, AS WELL. YOU SEE FROM THE APPLICATION SUMMARY AND STAFF REPORT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TRANSMITTAL OF THIS AMENDMENT THAT SEEKS TO THEM IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF 120 ACRES FROM RURAL AGRICULTURE TO RURAL COMMERCIAL. THIS REQUEST PROPOSES TO EXPAND THE CURRENT EQUESTRIAN ACTIVITIES TO INCLUDE RV CAMPGROUND, RV CAMPSITES ARE CURRENTLY LIMITED WITHIN THE COUNTY. THIS WILL BE SITUATED NEAR A VARIETY OF TRAILS, PARKS, BEACHES, AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES, BY SUPPORTING THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OUTLINED IN THE PLAN TO ENCOURAGE THE UTILIZATION AND APPRECIATION OF THESE LOCAL TRAILS, PARKS, BEACHES, AND AREA NATURAL RESOURCES. WE HAVE PUT UP A PROPOSAL OF WHAT THE PLAN OVERVIEW MIGHT BE ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE FOR THE RV CAMPGROUND, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTHWEST SECTION. THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THIS AREA AND PRESERVE THE WETLANDS IN THIS AREA, ITSELF, PRESERVE THE AREA THAT HAS BEEN TYPICALLY USED AS PART OF RECREATION FOR A PRIMITIVE CAMPGROUND, AND THEN WRAP THE RV CAMPGROUND AREA, PRESERVING THE WETLANDS UP IN THIS AREA HERE, AND IN THE AREA IN THE MIDDLE HERE, IN TWO PHASES, AND DEVELOP IT AS SUCH. AS I SAID, THE EXISTING LAND USE IS RS. IT FITS LIKE A PUZZLE PIECE INTO THE STATE PARK AREA. THE PROPOSED RURAL DESIGNATION FITS IN PERFECTLY TO ALLOW FOR THE VISION OF THESE COMPLEMENTARY LAND USES, AS DESCRIBED. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED O.R., WHICH ALLOWS THE CURRENT OUTDOOR RECREATION USES TO CONTINUE, AS SUPPLEMENTED BY THE RV CAMPGROUND ADDITION WHEN WE COME TO THE REZONING ADOPTION. ALL OF THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THE PROVISION OF THIS MUCH-NEEDED RECREATIONAL VEHICLE CAMPING FOR LOCALS AND VISITORS ALIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR COUNTIES OUTDOOR RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES AND ADVOCATE FOR THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. IN ANY CONFERENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT REVIEW, WE LOOK TO SECTION A.1.2.5G, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THIS HAS, AND IF IT HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT, THAT COULD BE AN APPROPRIATE REASON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SUCH AN AMENDMENT. WE EVALUATED THAT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. AS SHOWN, WITH THE BELOW STUDIES AND GOING TO TALK ABOUT MINIMUMS, THE STATISTICS FOR THE IMPACT IN OUR COUNTY AND STATE, RVING IS THE NUMBER ONE IMPACT ECONOMIC IMPACT OR. IT IS OVER 3.6 PERCENT OF OUR STATE GDP, WHICH IS ENORMOUS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. THERE CAN BE A CAMPGROUND IN THE RIGHT SPOT. THIS APPEARS TO BE IN THE RIGHT SPOT, AND PROXIMITY TO THE OUTDOOR RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES OF OUR GREAT COUNTY. WE WILL HAVE A POSITIVE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY ITSELF. THESE ARE THE STUDIES THEMSELVES. THEY ARE IN YOUR PACKET. IT SHOWS HOW RVING IS THE ONE IMPACTED BY THIS SEGMENT. IT TALKS ABOUT THE OUTDOOR RECREATION. IT IS HUGE WITHIN OUR STATE ITSELF, ANSARI, IN OUR COUNTRY ITSELF. PARTICULARLY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THIS IS WHERE I TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT ON GDP. THIS AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS AREA OF OUR COUNTY. IT IS LOCATED ON OUR RURAL STRIP OF U.S. 1 SOUTH, WHERE OUR NUMBER OF ALLOW'S -- NURSERY AND PALM GROWING OPERATIONS ARE TO THE

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TRANSITIONING >>> OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. GOING BACK TO RITTER AND THE FACT OF THE LOCATION AND HOW IT SEEMS TO BE IN A PERFECT SPOT FOR THIS USE BECAUSE UNDER THE COVER AND TO PLAN THESE TYPE OF USES ARE TO BE ON A MAJOR COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROAD AND THAT'S WHAT U.S. 1 IS. STAFF EVALUATED AND THE CAPACITY ON THESE ROADS IS VERY OPEN AT 30% CAPACITY APPROXIMATELY AND 60% SO THAT'S THE SPOT , EASY ACCESS TO 95 AND U.S. 1 OR YOU CAN GO ON 206 TO GET TO 95 OR USE U.S. 1 ITSELF. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLAN AMENDMENTS WE TALK ABOUT COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING USE. A1 311 , USE EXISTING PROPOSED AS AMENDMENT FOR THIS TRACT COMMERCIAL CONSISTENT WITH USE AND DESIGNATION OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND VISION OF THE COMPANY INTO PLAN.

ADDITIONAL COMPLEMENT INCOMPATIBLE USE WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED VEHICLE CAMPING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF COUNTY OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AS ADVOCATED BY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PROJECT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF COMPLEMENT INCLUDING POLICIES A1 311 AND A TWO A1 311 AND A 219. LOOKING AT A 125 , TO EVALUATE COMPETENCE OF PLAN PROPOSALS . IN THIS ONE THE PROPERTY LOCATION IS SPECIFICALLY SURROUNDED BY AND CLOSE PROXIMITY TO NATURAL RESOURCES AND EXISTING STATE FOREST AND PARK BEACHES AND ATTRACTIONS MAKING IT A PRIME AND APPROPRIATE LOCATION. ADDITIONAL USED TO THOSE ALLOWED WILL COMPLEMENT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE AREA LIKE A PUZZLE PIECE WHICH IN TURNWILL PROMOTE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COVER INTO PLAN. AS THE A 125 B THERE IS THE BRAND FOR THIS PROVISION IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE COUNTY. THIS HELPS TO MEET THOSE NEEDS WITHOUT DEMAND FOR SERVICES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS LARGE PARCEL. THERE IS ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL, THE USE ARE RECOMMENDED AND THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE ANY AND ALL SITE IMPROVEMENT REQUIRED TO SUSTAIN THE USE REQUESTED. ARE PRETTY CAN EASILY BE SERVED TO THE EXISTING STATE HIGHWAY WITH NO PUBLIC FUNDS NEEDED FOR THE PROVISION OF THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE OF SERVICE FOR THE PROJECT FURTHER THE OWNERS ARE WORKING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CANALS TO HELP D.O.T. IN PROTECTING STATE HIGHWAY DRAINAGE AND ALLOWING THE EFFICIENT STORM WATER MOVEMENT PREVENTING FLOODING ON THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. THIS IS CHAPTER 163 IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE AND GIVES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT VALUATIONS THAT SAYS IF IT INCORPORATES FOUR OR MORE OF THESE IT WILL BE FOUND NOT TO BE URBAN SPRAWL NUMBER ONE IN THIS INSTANT PROPERTY LOCATION SURROUNDED BY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES ALREADY EXISTING MAKING IT PRIME AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPOSAL FURTHER ADDING ADDITIONAL USE FOR THOSE ALLOWED WILL COMPLEMENT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE AREA LIKE A PUZZLE PIECE. NUMBER TWO THE PROJECT DOES ACCOMPLISH BY PROMOTING EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE PROVISION WITH PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE BY USING THE EXISTING ROADWAY AND UTILITIES IN THE AREA AND WORKING WITH D.O.T. TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO PROTECT THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. NUMBER THREE THIS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES USE CALLED FOR AND

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SITES THAT ARE UNDER WOMANLY AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY AND UPGRADING THE SITE CONSIDERABLY WILL PROVIDE OUTSTANDING LOCATIONS IN PROXIMITY TO A NUMBER OF RESOURCES WHICH FOSTERS THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IN THE CARRANZA PLAN SPECIFICALLY. THERE ARE NO STERNER WATER OR ENERGY CONSUMPTIONS NECESSARY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS REPARTEE. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THESE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT IT FEELS LIKE IT NEEDS SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT AS WELL IN ITS LOCATION. OBJECTIVE A1 15 2 WHICH TALKS ABOUT CONSISTENCY WITH OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH PROMOTE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMPANY INTO PLAN. CONSISTENCY WITH THE NORTHEAST STRATEGIC POLICY PLAN, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN INCLUDING PLANS EIGHT PILLARS AND THERE IS NO ADVERSE IMPACT TO ANY ONE OF THOSE PILLARS DOUBLE RESULT FROM THE APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT AND IMPACTS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES WITH SERVICES, NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON FACILITIES OR SERVICES BY THIS PROPOSAL AS TO THE ENVIRONMENT IMPACTS GIVEN THE INTENT TO WORK AROUND THE WETLANDS ON SITE AND TO HELP D.O.T. PROVIDE OUTFALL FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM HAS REQUESTED PROMOTING THAT PARTICULAR PILLAR AS TO THE COMPATIBILITY AND SURROUNDING USE IT IS SURROUNDED BY AND IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES WHICH HELP TO ME THE GOALS POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THESE ADDITIONAL COMPLEMENT TERRY INCOMPATIBLE USE ON THE PARCEL WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WILL BE ADDITION PROVIDING MUCH-NEEDED VEHICLE CAMPING PER LOCALS AND VISITORS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OUTDOOR OPPORTUNITIES. THIS PROJECT FEELS LIKE IT'S IN THE RIGHT SPOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE ON THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE OUTDOOR NATURAL RESOURCES AS WELL AS ATTRACTIONS TO PROMOTE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU HAD YOUR EXPERT STAFF REVIEW WITHIN YOUR PACKETS IT WAS ROUTED TO ALL APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS WITH NO OPEN COMMENTS TO TRANSPORTATION. THEY LOVE TO PAYROLL IMPACT FEES AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. ENVIRONMENTAL, THEY NOTE THE FACT THAT THE SITE CONTAINS 31.86 ACRES OF WETLANDS ACCORDING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND PHASE 1, THEY ARE GOING TO PRESERVE 22.22 ACRES OF WETLANDS ON THE SITE SORRY 22.2 TOTAL, 16.68 AS TO THE IMPACT REVIEW. AND TRANSPORTATION THE APPLICANT EXPANDS EXISTING EQUESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND PRIMITIVE CAMPGROUND TO INCLUDE RV CAMPGROUND PROVIDING 300 CAMPSITES WHICH AS THE TRANSPORTATION FINDS WILL GENERATE 85 TRIPS DURING THE WEEKDAY PEAK HOUR THIS IS BASED ON 216 RV SITES BY THE STUDY SHOWING THE DIRECTLY ACCESS ROADWAY CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 34.2% OF CAPACITY AND 62 AND 62.0% OF CAPACITY COMMITTED.

THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY IMPACT NEGATIVELY ON ANY OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS. YOU HAVE ENVIRONMENT REVIEW IN THE PACKET WHICH SHOWS THIS DOES NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE PROTECTED SPECIES OR ANY PROTECTED PLANT SPECIES.

FINALLY, AS I SAID, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TRANSMITTAL OF THE LARGE-SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. IT WILL COME BACK TO BEFORE THE ADOPTION WITH THE ZONING REQUEST AS WELL. THE SNYDER FAMILY HERE IS ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER REASONABLE REQUEST TO UPDATE THE LAND-USE TO RURAL COMMERCIAL BASED ON THE FACT THAT ALLOWING ADDITIONAL COMPATIBLE USES WILL BE A GRAND ADDITION TO THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY PROVIDING NEEDED VEHICLE CAMPING FOR LOCALS AND VISITORS ALIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES AS SPECIFICALLY ADVOCATED BY THE COUNTY CARRANZA PLAN. AS I HAVE SAID A

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>> THANK YOU. >> AS ALWAYS, A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. GREAT WITH THE ADJECTIVES. I WAS AT A PARTY LAST NIGHT AND TALK WITH SOMEBODY HAVE KNOWN QUITE A WHILE. A MEMBER OF THE SOUTH ANASTASIA COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND HE SAID YOU GUYS HAVE AN ITEM TOMORROW ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FAMILY CAMPGROUND AND I SAID YEAH, HE SAID DID YOU GET OUR LETTER AND I SAID I DIDN'T BECAUSE I CANNOT GET INTO MY EMAIL, BUT ANYWAY. THEY SENT IT TO ME AND I HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO JEN ABOUT THIS AND I WILL GET IN THERE. THEY SENT ME THE LETTER. I WILL READ THE LETTER AND ASK , APPARENTLY EVERYONE GOT IT. IT CAME TO PZA . THEY SENT IT TO ME THIS MORNING. I WILL READ IT TO YOU AND ASK YOU A QUESTION I JUST WANT TO READ INTO THE RECORD. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION FROM WHAT YOU HAVE ESPOUSED. DEAR PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEMBERS, WE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND BY THE WAY MY FRIEND THAT I HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME SAID THE SNYDER FAMILY IS A GREAT FAMILY, WONDERFUL PEOPLE THEY ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND ET CETERA WE HAVE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION FOR THIS REZONING AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND WE HAVE CONCERNS. THE NAME OF THE APPLICATION IS SNYDER FAMILY CAMPGROUND THIS AMENDMENT ARE MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN THAT. IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED THE OWNER AND SUBSEQUENT OWNERS WILL BE ENTITLED TO THE FOLLOWING USES TO BE PULLED FROM THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WORLD COMMERCIAL USES.

>> THIS IS NOT LAND-USE. SMOKE OR COMMERCIAL. TYPICAL USE IN THIS INCLUDES BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO RESTAURANTS WITH OR WITHOUT DRIVE-THROUGH, ESTABLISHMENTS FOR RETAIL SALE OF MOTOR FUELS, FARM AND GARDEN SUPPLY STORES, CARWASH FACILITIES AND YOU HAD A BUNCH OF THESE THERE. AUTOMOBILE OIL CHANGE FACILITIES, TIRE SERVICE CENTERS, BAIT AND TACKLE SUPPLIES, NURSERIES, FISH CAMPS, COMMUNITY MARINA, BED-AND-BREAKFAST, RETREATS, CAMPGROUNDS. RECREATIONAL VEHICLE CAMPGROUNDS. VETERINARY OFFICES ANIMAL HOSPITAL WITH OUTDOOR BOARDING, KENNELS AND OTHER ANIMAL FACILITIES.

OUTDOOR STORAGE OTHER SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR FACILITIES AND USE. THE SNYDER FAMILY MAY INTEND TO USE , THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS. SNYDER FAMILY MAY INTEND TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR A CAMPGROUND IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE BUT THIS APPLICATION SHOULD BE VIEWED FROM A LARGER PERSPECTIVE. 120 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL WORLD WITH ALLOWABLE USE IN THIS LOCATION IS VERY INTENSE. WE USE THE COUNTY MAP TO RESEARCH ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE THESE IN THE AREA. WE DROPPED A PAIN IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY AND WENT 1.5 MILES IN EVERY DIRECTION. 3 MILES IN DIAMETER OVER THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS A TOTAL OF 4524 ACRES OF LAND. 100% OF THE 4500 IS RURAL CIVIL CULTURE ON THE LAND-USE MAP AND 100% OF THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED OPEN AND WORLD. THE MAP DID SHOW ONE SMALL HALF-ACRE AREA ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL WITHIN THE 3 MILE CIRCLE. AFTER REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE 85-37 WOULD RESUME THE PROPERTY TO CG WE FOUND THE ALLOWABLE USE WAS RETAIL PLAN WHICH HASN'T BEEN THERE IN MANY YEARS WHICH MEANS CG ZONING IS BACK TO THE OR PER THE LANGUAGE FROM THE ORDINANCE

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THANK YOU, PRESIDENT OF , THERE IT IS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DO YOU THINK THIS IS SPOT ZONING?

>> NOT AT ALL. THAT'S WHY HE WENT TO THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE PLAN. PART OF THAT IS TRUE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE REASON WHY THIS IS APPROPRIATE IS TODAY WE ARE HERE FOR LAND-USE TRANSMITTAL THE ZONING COMES BACK. YOU GUYS GET A LOT OF APPLICATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY JUST SUBMITS LAND-USE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WILL BRING BACK LATER FOR ZONING. WE SUBMITTED WITH IT SO THE CENTER FAMILY ON HIS PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT. THE POINT IS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IS THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST FOR RURAL COMMERCIAL THE APPROPRIATE CATEGORY FOR WHAT WE WANTED TO ZONING BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT IT AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE COMPANY INTO PLAN SAYS. THOSE ARE THE EXACT USES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH THAT ARE USES, THIS IS THE CATEGORY YOU WOULD USE FOR LAND-USE TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO UNDER ZONING THAT IS COMING BACK TO YOU. THE ZONING WE HAVE MADE CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING. THE ZONING REQUEST IS FOR COMMERCIAL WORLD.

THERE'S A LOT OF USES IN THERE THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. THAT'S THE ZONING CATEGORY WE HAVE TO ASK FOR TO GET WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WE ARE PREPARED TO TAKE OUT THE YEARS , JUST LIKE SACA ASKS, TO TAKE OUT THE USE NOT APPROPRIATE. WE CAN'T ADDRESS THAT TODAY BECAUSE OF TO GET THE LAND-USE TO MAKE THAT APPLICATION FOR THAT TO COME BEFORE YOU. MAKING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY RURAL COMMERCIAL IS NOT MAKE THOSE USES ALLOWABLE. AS YOU KNOW THE CONFERENCE A PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU ARE COLORING IT IN WITH A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE PROPERTY CAN BE. IF IT CAN BE THAT AND IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE USES IN THE MIDDLE, WE WERE TRANSPARENT PUTTING IN GREEN IF IT IS APPROPRIATE THIS IS THE CATEGORY WE WANT TO MAKE AND WE CONTROL THAT WAS ZONING. WE CANNOT DO THOSE THINGS UNTIL THEY COME BACK AND REDO THE REZONING. EVEN IF WE GET LAND-USE. AGAIN WILL NOT GET LAND-USE FOR ADOPTION UNLESS YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSION SAYS YOU CAN HAVE THAT. WE WILL CONTROL THOSE THINGS WITH NO QUESTION AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. YOU JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE WAY THE STATE SET IT OUT THIS IS THE WAY WE HAVE TO DO IT. THE REASON WHY IT'S NOT IS BECAUSE AS I SHOWED YOU, AGAIN I PROBABLY SAID WAY TOO MANY TIMES BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FILL IN. YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS AREA IS DEVELOPING. THIS IS A STATE HIGHWAY. THERE COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE STATE HIGHWAY, SINCE WE HAVE THE STATE FOREST AND PARK AND HAVE BEACH ACCESS AND ACCESS TO 95 AND WE HAVE ATTRACTIONS HISTORIC AS WELL, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PIECE THAT'S CUT OUT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THIS WOULD BE THE PLACE YOU WOULD PUT IT. OUTSIDE THE CITY AREA IT'S EASY

ACCESS. >> I HAVE DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY PROBABLY 75 TIMES AT LEAST AND I HAVE ALWAYS ADMIRED AND LOOKED AT IT I WISH I OWNED THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THERE IS A STATEMENT IN THE APPLICATION ON PAGE 12 SS THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED TEXT AMENDMENT TO LIMIT THEIR SITE ONLY RV CAMPGROUND. THE PROPOSED REZONING IS NOT

LIMITED TO SINGLE USE. >> THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. YOU PUT THE RV SORRY BUT THE RURAL COMMERCIAL LAND-USE ON IT AND WE WILL LIMIT AND I MADE THAT CLEAR, SINCE WE ARE NOT AT THE ZONING THERE IS NO VALUATION OF THE ZONING APPLICATION. THAT'S FROM THE BEGINNING THE FAMILY WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THE INTENT IS TO TAKE THOSE OUT WE ARE JUST NOT AT THAT STAGE. WE WILL BE GLAD TO LIMIT.

>> I DON'T KNOW STUFF AGREES WITH THE INTERPRETATION OR NOT.

I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF NEXT , ANYONE WHO WANTS TO WEIGH IN AND THEN I WILL ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS A THINK IT IS SPOT

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ZONING. >> JACOB SMITH FOR THE RECORD AND THROUGH THE CHAIR. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THIS CIRCUMSTANCE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUTURE ZONING RIGHT NOW WE ARE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE CONFERENCE A PLAN AMENDMENT WITH RURAL COMMERCIL ZONING AND IT BEING SPOT ZONING WITH OPEN RURAL MY THOUGHT IS WHERE ELSE IS RURAL COMMERCIAL SUPPOSED TO BE OTHER THAN IN A RURAL AREA. I WOULD NOT JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION ITS SPOT ZONING BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT WOULD BE MORE INTENDED TO BE A NOTE TO SUPPORT A RURAL COMMUNITY. I WANTED TO SPEAK ON POTENTIAL RESTRICTIONS AGAIN WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND-USE AND IT IS POSSIBLE TO TEXT AMEND LAND-USE AMENDMENT TYPICALLY RESTRICTED TO SQUARE FOOTAGE.

FOR THE MOST PART IT DOES NOT APPEAR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE ON COMMERCIAL SPACE BUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RV SPOTS, CONCEIVABLY THE BOARD COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION RESTRICTING THE AMOUNT OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SPOTS ON

SITE. >> YES THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IF YOU THINK IT'S SPOT ZONING. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I WANT TO HEAR YOUR, ANOTHER LEGAL OPINION.

>> I WOULD MIRROR WHAT JACOB SAID. THAT IS A DECISION FOR YOU TO MAKE AND IT WILL ALMOST ALWAYS LOOK WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING AS SPOT ZONING BECAUSE YOU ARE PICKING A PLACE , GENERALLY SPEAKING, THOSE ARE NOT LARGE DEVELOPMENT AREAS THEY ARE SMALLER SO YOU ARE PICKING SOMEPLACE DOUBLE-CLICK SPOT ZONING SO I DON'T THINK IT WILL MAKE THE LEGAL DEFINITION BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE SMALLER AND THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE CHOICE FOR THE BOARD. SO YOU ARE NOT LOCKED INTO THE SAME LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WOULD BE ONCE WE GET TO THE ZONING. WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT

LAND-USE. >> OKAY GOOD ANSWER. JAMES, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YOU POINTED THIS OUT MANY TIMES AND IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. POINTED OUT IN THE NARRATIVE RV CAMPSITES ARE LIMITED WITH AVAILABILITY WITHIN THE COUNTY. OUT OF CURIOSITY WITH RV CAMPING IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN AREA , BASICALLY THE ENTRANCE TO THE VISITOR CENTER . I FOUND 26 RV CAMPGROUNDS. THIS CAME UP IN TWO SECONDS. I DON'T KNOW THEY ARE THAT LIMITED WITHIN THE COUNTY.

>> HOW MANY SITES? WERE THERE TWO ON SOME? WERE THERE TWO CAMPSITES ? SPOT I DON'T KNOW I DID NOT LOOK AT THEM.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

>> THERE IS ONE DOWN THE ROAD WITH 250. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE RV OR NOT. ANYWAY. JUST WANTED YOU TO REACT TO THAT. I COULD GO THROUGH A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS IN THE COMP PLAN WHICH WOULD DIFFER FROM YOUR INTERPRETATION BUT I AM NOT GOING TO DO THAT. I FEEL THIS WILL PASS SO I WILL NOT TAKE UP A BUNCH OF TIME YAMMERING ON ABOUT IT. JUST THOUGHT I WOULD READ THAT STATEMENT INTO THE RECORD AND POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY THE STATE FOREST. IT IS A CHOICE PIECE OF

LAND. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I AM GOING TO YAMMER A LITTLE OKAY? SINCE YOU DIDN'T.

MOST OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE WILL PROBABLY APPLY TO THE ZONING. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE DECISIONS. I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE GREAT NEED FOR THIS, ESPECIALLY THE NUMBER THAT SEEMS EXCESSIVE . LOOKING AT THE LITTLE SPACES , IT LOOKS SO DENSE TO ME. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT JARRING WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT COMMENT WHICH I DID SPEAK WITH, WE WERE NOT SURE IF ANYONE WAS 81% OR ONLY

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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO DEVELOPMENT AREAS WHICH THIS IS CONSIDERED A DEVELOPMENT AREA. SHALL BE DISCOURAGED UNLESS APPLICANT DEMONSTRATES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR JOBS WHICH YOU DID SPEAK TO THAT. PRESERVATION OF NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. THE AREAS CLEAR-CUT THEY DISCUSSED THAT ON THE PHONE. THE OTHER COMMENT WAS REGARDING POLICY 8.1.3.11. LAND-USE CAN COEXIST WITH COMPATIBILITY IN RELATIVE PROXIMITY IN A STABLE FASHION OR SOME SUCH AS NO USE IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY ANOTHER. IT MAINTAINS THE EXACTING DEVELOP ENVIRONMENT. I CAN SEE FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS BUT IT SEEMS LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BEAUTIFUL FORCE. DIVISION, AS YOU HEARD , THERE STEWARDS OF THE LAND TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND MAINTAINING PART OF IT BY PRESERVING THE AREA FOR THE PRIMITIVE CAMPGROUND ET CETERA THAT'S GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS. SOME OF THE USES, THAT'S WHY WE NEED OTHER USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN ADDITION TO THE RV CAMP GROUND USES WRAPPING AROUND SO THEY CAN PRESERVE PART OF IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT A SITE PLAN COVERING 120 ACRES IT MAY LOOK LIKE THINGS ARE JAMMED, BUT 120 ACRES IT IS HUGE. IN FACT I PROBABLY HAVE SOME PICTURES . I WILL BE HAPPY TO BRING THEM UP AFTER. A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY SO THE AREA IN THE FRONT THAT DOES NOT LOOK VERY BIG WHEN I POINTED OUT IS HUGE. A BIG AREA THEY ARE PRESERVING THE FRONT AND WE WILL GET MORE TO THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ZONING AND THEY WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF IT BUT IT FEELS TO THEM IN THEIR VISION OF BEING GOOD STEWARDS THAT IT FITS IN A PLACE THAT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO PURSUE AND PROMOTE THE OBJECTIVES, POLICIES AND GOALS OF THE CONFERENCE A PLAN, YOU HAVE SOME PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND THAT GOES TO THE COMMENT BY STAFF AND THE ATTORNEYS. YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMEPLACE. THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO BE AND WHEN I FIRST LOOK AT THIS AND THEY ASKED ME AND I SAID THAT JUMPS OUT TO ME. I DON'T SUPPOSE A PIECE A BUNCH OF TIMES AND THAT'S ANNOYING, BUT IT ALMOST PSYCH IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLACE WITH A RV CAMPGROUND AND MAYBE THERE ARE OTHERS AND MAYBE THE ONE HERE ON 206 IS GOOD AND THE ONE AT THE BEACH IS GOOD BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS, IF YOU HAVE MORE AND IT'S THE NUMBER ONE IN THE INDUSTRY ECONOMIC PROMOTER AND WE WANT THAT IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY BECAUSE THAT BRINGS A LOT OF TAX DOLLARS AND IF IT DOES NOT UNDULY IMPACT WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT WHICH IT DOES NOT SEEM IT DOES BECAUSE YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY THINGS YOU WANT IT TO SERVE.

WHICH IS ENJOYING THE OUTDOOR NATURAL RESOURCES IN THE FOREST OR IN THE PARK OR AT CRESCENT BEACH GOING TO FORT MATANZAS OR USING THE BOAT RAMPS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT THE CONFERENCE A PLAN TALKS ABOUT AND IT SEEMS LIKE, THIS FITS AND THIS WOULD BE THE PLACE YOU WOULD HAVE THIS USE AND TO ME I KNOW YOU SAY AND WE HAVE TALKED BEFORE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE HAD A BUNCH HERE THAN TRYING TO SCATTER THEM INTO AREAS WHERE THE CITY ISHAVE BIG RVS COMING DOWN CITY ROADS. WOULD WE NOT RATHER HAVE THEM HERE? PEOPLE DRIVE UP AND DOWN AND PEOPLE RV ALL THE TIME AND THE USE INTERSTATE U.S. 1 STATE HIGHWAY TO GET TO THESE PLACES AND THAT'S WHY THE PLAN SAYS THESE TYPES OF USES ARE RIGHT TO BE ON A ROAD LIKE U.S. 1 AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IN MY EVALUATION AND IN MY PRESENTATION WHY THIS SEEMS TO FIT AND BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LAND-USE.

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>> I DID LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND I DO LOOK FOR THE CG, WHICHEVER. THIS LOOKS LIKE ABOUT THE LARGEST, BUT THEY ARE STUCK. I THINK I FOUND 12 IN THE WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTY AND THEIR LITTLE SPOTS LIKE MEASLES ON THE MAP AND THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME WITH THE QUESTION BEING ANSWERED TODAY.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY SO ADDING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THIS, I BELIEVE IT WILL PASS, BUT TO LIMIT TO THOSE USES THAT YOU PUT IN AND I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH THE ZONING , BUT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE IF THAT IS POSSIBLE AND I UNDERSTAND FROM COUNCIL THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF LATER.

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION , IN YOUR REPORT. YOU INDICATE YOU SENT THIS OVER TO THE FORESTRY SERVICE AND YOU ARE AWAITING THE RESPONSE? DID YOU GET A RESPONSE?

>> OH, I'M SORRY. >> WE DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE

WHICH WAS NO COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL THAT

I HAVE. >> I JUST WANT ONE THING CLARIFIED. IT IS YOU AND THE FAMILY'S INTENTION WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR REZONING TO RESTRICT A CAMPSITE?

>> I DID NOT PUT THAT STUFF ABOUT ZONING IN HERE. I CANNOT GET UP, I WOULD AND TALK ABOUT THE USE THAT ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL WORLD ZONING CATEGORY AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE. OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A USE APPROPRIATE WITH RV CAMPGROUND LIKE THE PRIMITIVE CAMPING, I DON'T KNOW CLUBHOUSE ET CETERA I DON'T HAVE THE LIST , BUT THE INTENT IS , THAT'S WHY WE SUBMITTED THIS. USUALLY AT THIS POINT YOU DON'T HAVE A ENGINEER SITE PLAN, BUT HE HAS A ENGINEER SITE PLAN. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION I'M NOT BEING ELUSIVE I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT'S THE INTENT BUT I CAN'T SAY WHAT USE IN THAT CATEGORY I ÚCOULD CROSS OFF. THEY DON'T WANT DRIVE-IN RESTAURANTS, THEY DON'T WANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE, WHATEVER ELSE THEY TALKED ABOUT , THEY DON'T WANT THOSE PARTICULAR USES SO THEY WOULD CROSS THOSE OUT IN THE ZONING

CATEGORY WHEN WE COME BACK. >> ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF.

SO IF WE SEND THIS ON TODAY WITHOUT A TEXT AMENDMENT. DOES THAT PROHIBIT US FROM ADDING TEXT AMENDMENT WHEN IT COMES

BACK FOR ADOPTION? >> I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU WILL BE HELD BACK FROM ADDING TEXT AMENDMENT HER FUTURE RESTRICTING THAT. LOOKING AT THE ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT. YES, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE ON THE NEXT GO AROUND TO POTENTIALLY ADD MORE

CONDITIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> TRAVELED THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA SO I AM AN EXPERT ON RV.

THIS ACTUALLY FITS IN TO THE SURROUNDING AREA BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT CAMPGROUND HAS ACCESS TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED EARLIER I BROUGHT THAT INFORMATION FOR YOUR. THERE IS CAMPGROUNDS IN THE AREA, THERE ARE A LOT OF VERY SMALL PRIVATE CAMPGROUNDS. THE ELKS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, THAT'S A CLUB AND THEY HAVE A CAMPGROUND BUT IT IS LIMITED TO THEIR MEMBERS ONLY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CAMPGROUNDS OUT THERE THAT ARE VERY SMALL HOLDING FIVE OR SIX, BUT THESE ARE THE LARGER ONES IN OUR AREA. AGAIN THERE IS THE PROPOSAL. IT HAS ACCESS TO EVERYTHING. SAINT AUGUSTINE, EVEN ACCESS TO DAYTONA EVEN THOUGH IT'S FURTHER AWAY. RIGHT NOW THE REASON FLORIDA IS SO HIGH FOR THE NUMBERS AND THE IMPACT THAT CAMPING MAKES IS BECAUSE EVERYONE IS COMING DOWN FOR CANADA, FROM NEW YORK ,

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THERE'S A LOT OF INFLUX COMING FROM OTHER STATES INTO THIS AREA, DURING THE WINTERTIME. THE REASON IS GOOD WARM WEATHER. A FEW CONCERNS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. CAN WE KEEP THIS STRICTLY FOR THE RV? I HOPE WE CAN DO THAT, STRICTLY ALLOW THINGS THAT PERTAIN TO THE RV SUCH AS IN-HOUSE RESTAURANT, IN-HOUSE SUPPLY STORE WHICH THERE'S A LOT OUT RIGHT NOW THE CAMPGROUNDS NEED THAT, THE OTHER GOOD THINGS, DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE IS A RV REPAIR SHOP WHICH IS IDEAL FOR THE TRAVELING RVS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ISSUES OF FINDING A PLACE TO GET THINGS FIXED. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S MOBILE UNITS THAT TAKE DAYS TO GET SOMEONE THERE. SO THIS IS RIGHT UP THE STREET WHICH IS IDEAL. I AM CONCERNED, I TOOK A DRIVE-BY AND IT WAS VERY EYE OPENING IN THIS AREA. BECAUSE AGAIN, I LOVE THE RV. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE WETLAND IMPACT, THERE IS AREA ON THE BACKSIDE BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO GET BACK ON THE DOUBLE GATE ROAD. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. TO GET BACK IN , TO LOOK AT THE BACKSIDE. THERE IS NO IMPACT BACK THERE OF THE WETLANDS WHICH I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS WHY IMPACT THE WETLANDS UP FRONT? LOOKING AT A ROADWAY TO GO IN HERE, WHY NOT MAKE THE ROADWAY GOING HERE. IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ROADWAY? DON'T IMPACT THE WETLANDS. YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ROAD , GO TO ROUTE 1, THE OTHER THING I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS TO GET D.O.T. TO ALLOW STOPLIGHT TO BE PUT IN. YOU ARE COMING OUT WITH LARGE RIGS AND AHEAD ARE TO MAKING TURNS IN THERE. THIS IS NOT IDEAL LOCATION, BUT HOPEFULLY D.O.T. WILL HELP OUT WITH THE NEXT LIGHT AT 206. SO COME EASY ACCESS OFF OF 95 WHICH YOU DEFINITELY NEED WHICH WILL BRING INCOME INTO OUR COUNTY TO GET SPENDING FROM OTHER STATES INTO THE COUNTY INSTEAD OF THEM GOING ALL THE

WAY SOUTH. >> LAST CALL FOR THE DAY.

NAME ] I HAVE BEEN A MOM 35 YEARS I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY. IT HAS BEEN OWNED BY VARIOUS OWNERS THROUGH THE AND THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT EVERY OWNER HAS HAD IS THE, IT IS VERY WET. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS VARIOUS OWNERS HAVE PUT IN, TO TRY TO BRING IN PHIL AND MAKE THAT APPROPRIATE. IT JUST WON'T DO IT. IT'S GOING TO BE WETLANDS WHERE IT IS WHAT LANCE NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO. SO THE OWNERS, I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO SO, IF THERE IS A RESIDENT ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THEM TO BE MAINTAINING AND CARRYING FOR EQUESTRIAN USE. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE RV, IT IS AN IDEAL PLACE. OF THE INTERSTATE THAT I WANT TO BE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO VERY FAR MORE TO GET TO SAINT AUGUSTINE. THEY USUALLY CARRY THEIR CARS OR RUN AROUND, WHATEVER IT IS WITH THEM. WE WILL KEEP ALL THE RIGS OFF. MAYBE WE WILL TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM THE AIRBNB AND WE CAN RECONVERT SOME OF THE AIRBNB BACK TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I DON'T KNOW. THEY WILL BE BRINGING THEIR OWN HOUSE. A LOT OF THESE WILL BE SEASONAL. THAT WILL SET UP FOR SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER SO, WE WILL KEEP ALL THOSE RIGS OFF. MAYBE WE WILL ACTUALLY

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SOMEHOW I DO NOT TRUST THAT THIS CAN COME BACK, AND YOU WILL MAKE IT THEN. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES BACK, DOESN'T IT COME BACK AS THE COMMERCIAL WORLD? NO. I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THIS TRANSMITTAL STUFF. YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND IT, AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM. SO, I GUESS IT'S FINE. OTHER THAN THAT, I LIKE THE IDEA. I'D LIKE TO GIVE THIS FAMILY AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME MONEY OFF OF THE PROPERTY. I HOPE THEY WILL LEAVE SOME OF THE EQUESTRIAN, BECAUSE THE ACCESS -- IS REALLY NICE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. MS. SPIEGEL,

OKAY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I THINK ONE THING I WANT TO ADD IS, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. ONE OF THE THINGS IS, THAT'S NOT A FINAL SITE PLAN, OBVIOUSLY. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH IT. I DIDN'T JUST TALK TO MY ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS ON THIS PARTICULAR THING, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH WATER MANAGEMENT. AND THAT ENTRYWAY HAS ALREADY BEEN REVISED TO TAKE OUT THAT WETLAND IMPACT. SO, THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON A SITE PLAN. WHICH WILL AGAIN BE MUCH MORE DISCUSSED IN THE ZONING ITSELF. I THINK THE ONLY THING I WANT

TO GO BACK TO >> REPORTER: IS -- SEE IF I CAN FIND -- OH, HERE WE GO. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE, ONE MORE TIME AGAIN. WE TALKED ABOUT THESE USES, AND THESE ARE GENERAL USES. LAND-USE IS VERY GENERAL. LAND-USE SAYS, HEY, LISTEN. THIS IS THE CATEGORY WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THIS IS WHERE IT SAYS TYPICAL USES. IT DOESN'T SAY THOSE ARE THE USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE. IT JUST SAYS TYPICAL USES IN THIS CATEGORY.

MAYBE NOT FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT TYPICAL USES IN THIS CATEGORY ARE THESE THINGS HERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS, THE MAJORITY OF THE STUFF IN THE MIDDLE TO THIS PARAGRAPH ARE ALL WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE ONLY THING REALLY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS THE OBJECTIONABLE PART, POSSIBLY, IS THE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE ACCESSORY. AGAIN, I HEARD MR. LEVAN OSKEY SAY THERE'S A PLACE FOR RV ON 206 FOR REPAIR, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. MAYBE THAT'S WHERE -- THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO PUT AN OIL CHANGE PLACE HERE. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO PUT A TIRE CHANGE PLACE HERE. THEY DON'T WANT THAT. IN FRONT OF IT RV CAMPGROUND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET OTHER PLACES.

I ALSO TALKED TO SOME MEMBERS OF THE SCHNEIDER FAMILY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THEIR INTENT IS TO KEEP A NUMBER OF THOSE EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES FOR THE ACCESS TO THE STATE FORCE IN THE PARK. SO, REALLY TODAY, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS LAND-USE CATEGORY DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE FOREVER COLORING THIS PROPERTY WITH THEY CAN COME BACK, AND HAVE A MOTOR FUEL FILL UP. OR, A DRIVE-THROUGH ON U.S. ONE.

IT'S JUST SAYING THAT THOSE ARE TYPICAL USES. THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE USES IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT CATEGORY ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID IT FITS IN LIKE A PUBLIC PEACE. IT'S % ACCESS TO EVERYTHING OUT THERE.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S APPROPRIATE, LET'S PUSH THIS FORWARD. THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THE ZONING, WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE OTHER ISSUES. AND WE CAN CROSS OFF SPECIFIC USES.

IF YOU CROSS OFF SOMETHING ON THIS HERE. I CAN STILL COME BACK, AND ASK FOR COMMERCIAL ROLE. THEN WE HAVE TO CROSS IT OFF AGAIN. IT'S KIND OF DUPLICATIVE EFFORT. THIS IS THE THING THEY COULD DO THAT. I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE THING TO PUSH FORWARD FOR TRANSMITTAL. TO THE STATE DEPARTMENTS TO BRING BACK THEIR REVIEW TO SAY IF THE GENERAL CATEGORY IS APPROPRIATE. WHICH I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD SAY.

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SO, WE JUST APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE

COMMISSION. >> ALL RIGHT. MS. SPIEGEL? ALL

RIGHT. >> YES. WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THIS OVER THE PHONE. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT BROUGHT UP. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. WE DID TALK ABOUT LONG-TERM RENTALS, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMEBODY MOVING IN, AND STAYING FOR

YEARS. RIGHT? >> YEAH. UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WENT THROUGH. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE SUBMIT APPLICATIONS. WE GO THROUGH DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF APPLICATIONS WITH THE STAFF ITSELF. THEY SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT RV CAMPGROUNDS. THERE WERE SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS UNDER THAT. ONE OF THOSE SPECIFICALLY IN THAT TALKS ABOUT LONG-TERM. THIS IS NOT A LONG-TERM PLACE. THIS IS -- RV CAMPGROUNDS ARE MORE SHORT-TERM, AND WHAT SHORT-TERM IS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. YOU CAN'T MOVE IN TO LIVE THERE, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, THERE IS NO RV STORAGE.

THIS IS NOT A STORAGE FACILITY. THAT IS SPECIFICALLY BANNED

UNDER OUR DEVOTED CODE. >> WELL, THANK YOU. YOU DID MAKE SENSE ALSO ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT. AND YEAH, I'M

LEARNING. >> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MR. BRIGHT HOUSE. I KNOW THERE'S SOME HORSE STABLES THERE. WILL THERE STILL BE STABLES? I MEAN, IS THAT SORT OF THE GIST OF IT?

>> I WILL PUT THE CYCLE BACK UP. LET ME CLEAR IT UP. SO, PART OF IT IS THEY WANT TO PRESERVE A LOT OF THIS AREA.

WHICH IS PART OF THE AREA THAT'S USED. SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF IS USED FOR EQUESTRIAN OR IT'S JUST OPEN PASTURELAND.

THERE'S KIND OF A CLUBHOUSE. A PAVILION. THEY WANT TO UPDATE THOSE, OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE OLD. THEY WANT TO HAVE THE RECREATION. THERE SOME STUFF OUT THERE NOW, BUT IT'S OLD.

THEY WANT TO KEEP THE STABLES. THEY WANT TO KEEP SOME OF THE EQUESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE STATE FORCE, AND STAYED AT . THAT'S THEIR INTENT THEMSELVES. AND I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER DEFINED SITE PLAN TOO WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE REZONING UPON

ADOPTION. >> CAN YOU CURRENTLY RIDE HORSES IN THE KANSAS STATE FORCE? DO WE KNOW? I BELIEVE SO. YEAH. YOU WEREN'T HERE EARLIER WHEN WE WERE GOING OVER THE COMP PLAN. BUT, ONE OF MY DISCUSSIONS. WE HAVE SO MUCH STATE OWNED LAND OR GOVERNMENT OWNED LAND, AND ACCESS IS A BIG ISSUE. YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TO IT.

>> I DON'T SEE THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN TO MOCHA STATE PARK OR ANY STATION STATE PARK. I MEAN, I GOT FRIENDS THAT JUST GO THERE FOR THE WEEKEND THAT LIVE HERE, BECAUSE THEY JUST LIKE CAMPING, AND THAT TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN. IT GIVES YOU ACCESS TO THE PARK BEHIND IT. I MEAN, IT'S THERE. IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. UNLIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. WE WENT BY HUNDREDS, AND HUNDREDS OF TIMES. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NO LONG-TERM RENTALS. THERE WILL BE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL OUT OF HERE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE CAMPGROUND. I DO WANT TO DISCUSS AFTER THIS . MORE ABOUT

WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE ZONING. >> YES, SIR.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> YOU ARE WELCOME TO MAKE A MOTION, YEAH.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN 2024 JET -3. THE SCHNEIDER FAMILY CAMPGROUND.

PROVIDED IN OUR STAFF REPORT. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSIONS?

>> THE SURFACE AS DESCRIBED BY MR. WHITEHOUSE. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE. HOWEVER, I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS THAT COULD CAUSE ME TO VOTE AGAINST THIS WHEN IT COMES BACK. NUMBER ONE, I THINK THAT THE ECONOMIC STUDY OR I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ECONOMIC STUDY THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT HE SAYS TO THE EXTENT TO WHICH POPULATION GROWTH, AND DEVELOPMENT TRENDS

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I BELIEVE THAT OUGHT TO BE PRESENT WHEN WE COME BACK THE NEXT TIME. NUMBER TWO. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS. I DO NOT BELIEVE WHEN IT COMES BACK, UNLESS THE USES ARE LIMITED AT THE LAND-USE STAGE. NOT AT THE ZONING STAGE. SO, THERE NEEDS TO BE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT BASICALLY CREATE INSULAR USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THIS CATEGORY FOR THE RV CAMPGROUND.

A RESTAURANT IS FINE. A TIRE CHANGING PLACES FINE. ALL OF THOSE ARE FINE AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN DECELERATE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO USE THIS FACILITY. IT ISN'T PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE. I SAY ALL THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO HAVE 128 ACRES OF CARTE BLANCHE WHEN HE SAYS THEY ARE REQUESTING ONE HERE. BUT, I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS AWESOME. I THINK IT'S GREAT, AND I THINK THE ECONOMIC STUDY WILL PROVE IT OUT. I DON'T DOUBT MR. LEBOWSKI'S EXPERTISE. BUT, I PLAYED A LOT OF GOLF, AND I ENJOY PLAYING GOLF. BUT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME AN EXPERT.

THEN FINALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ABOUT THE WELL AND SEPTIC PROVISION. WHICH SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE ZONING WHEN WE COME BACK. NONE OF THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS. BUT, I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD, WHAT I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT COMES BACK TO APPROVE THE LAND-USE AND THE ZONING. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT TYPICALLY, THESE RVS DON'T HOOK UP TO THE WELL, AND THE SEPTIC. THE PEOPLE COME HERE, AND STAY, BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO COME, AND USE THE SHOWERS, AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. AS OPPOSED TO BEING CRAMPED IN THEIR LITTLE BATHROOM IN THE RV. SO, IT MIGHT NOT MAKE AS MUCH OF A IMPACT AS WE THINK. BUT, I THINK ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN WE COME BACK.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, NONE. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES A 6-1.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> YES. GO AHEAD, MR. GREEN.

>> SO, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE ZONING PART. BUT, I WANTED YOU TO KNOW WHAT I FEEL ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS HERE ABOUT KEEPING UP WITH WHAT YOU SAY IT IS, AND I BELIEVE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW.

ELAINE CHANGES HANDS OVER TIME, AS WE KNOW. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE ZONING THAT HAS RESTRICTIONS OR WHEN SOMEBODY GOES, AND BUYS IT. THEY LOOK UP, AND GO IT SOLD FOR THIS. WE CAN DO THIS, AND THIS. WHEN THEY GET DOWN TO IT, AND BY IT.

MAYBE WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNTY, WHILE THIS WAS TO RESTRICTED ZONING. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND THAT.

BUT, ANYWAY. THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN WHEN YOU COME BACK. I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT. FROM BEING IN THE BUSINESS.

>> YEAH. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT. IF SOMEBODY LOOKS IT UP ON THE MAP. LET'S PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S GOT THIS ZONING. THEN THEY FIND OUT IT'S GOT ZONING RESTRICTIONS. AND IT DOESN'T SHOW UP.

>> IF I CAN, ONE MINUTE FROM MISS MADAME CHAIR? WE ARE GETTING WAY BETTER AT THAT. OUR MAPS IN OUR INTERACTIVE MAPS ONLINE. THE CITY STILL HAS SOME CRAYOLA MAPS WHERE YOU JUST LOOK AT IT, AND YOU CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. THE COUNTY MAPS, AND A BUNCH OF WILL OF THE MAPS FROM OTHER STATES. YOU CLICK ON IT. YOU LOOK AT IT, AND IT IMMEDIATELY TELLS YOU THAT THIS IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE WITH CONDITIONS, AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. I TAKE ON A LOT OF APPRECIATION TO THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. I DIDN'T MENTION IT, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR WHEN WE DO THE ZONING. IT'S PROBABLY NOT INAPPROPRIATE WHEN YOU HAVE

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>> WELL, I DID WANT TO BRING IT UP DURING DISCUSSION, BECAUSE

WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON. >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE IT. SO, YOU'RE MORE PREPARED WHEN YOU COME BACK. WHAT ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS ARE.

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>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. STAFF REPORTS? OKAY. AGENCY.

>> YES. >> CORRECT. WE DO NOT HAVE A

MEETING ON THE FIFTH. >> YEAH. I WILL MISS THE FIRST

MEETING IN DECEMBER. >> THERE IS NONE. THERE ARE NO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER THE FIRST WEEK. DECEMBER 5TH. THERE IS NO MEETINGS. OKAY. REAL QUICK. JUST ONE THING. FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, THIS HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT,

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