[1. Appointment of Two (2) Special Magistrates, Award of Contracts under Misc. 1864; Code Enforcement Special Magistrate, and approval of compensation rate. County Ordinance No. 2007-21 provides for the appointment of a Special Magistrate to hold hearings and assess fines against violators of certain County codes and ordinances. Appointments are for a two- year term and are made at the sole discretion of the Board of County Commissioners on the basis of experience and interest in the subject matter. A Special Magistrate must be a member in good standing of the Florida Bar. The term of the current contract for Special Magistrate expired on September 5, 2024. On May 9, 2024, the Purchasing Department solicited proposals from interested firms to perform services as the appointed Special Magistrate under Misc 1864; Code Enforcement Special Magistrate. The solicitation closed on June 14, 2024, with receipt of three responsive proposals. One proposal was later withdrawn by the law firm that submitted the proposal. The remaining proposals, submitted by the Law Offices of James E. Bedsole and The Lassiter Law Firm, P.A., meet the requirements of the ordinance and the solicitation. Attorneys James E. Bedsole and Derri Kay Lassiter Young were subsequently interviewed by County staff. County Ordinance No. 2007-21 initially set compensation at $140 per hour; however, compensation is determined by the Board and may be amended by resolution of the Board. The submitted Proposals included hourly rates ranging from $250-$290/hour. Staff negotiated with firms and reached agreement on an hourly rate of $270. In light of market increases since 2007, it has been determined that the rate of $270 per hour is reasonable and appropriate. Staff recommends Board appointment of the two (2) qualified attorneys as Special Magistrate: James E. Bedsole of Law Offices of James E. Bedsole, and Derri Kay Lassiter Young of The Lassiter Law Firm, P.A. Additionally, Staff recommends Board approval to execute contracts with the two law firms in substantially the same form and format as attached and for the performance of the Special Magistrate services, at an hourly rate of $270. Each Special Magistrate is intended to serve for six months during each year of the two-year contract term. However, the County may, at its discretion, utilize both of the Special Magistrates for periods other than six months in order to appropriately address cases and ensure coverage for services throughout the duration of the Contracts. (Part 1 of 2)]

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?

>> SO MOVED. >> PLEASE VOTE.

>> THAT PASSES FOUR MINUS ONE. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER ONE. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, JAIME LOCKLEAR, PURCHASING DIRECTOR. THIS IS THE BRING BACK OF THE APPOINTMENT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATES YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS AGENDA AND A FEW CHANGES FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

ESSENTIALLY, WE WENT THROUGH A SOLICITATION PROCESS AND DID AN

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INFORMAL SOLICITATION DUE TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THIS CONTRACT COSTS US ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS AND ONE DID WITHDRAW SINCE THE PREVIOUS AGENDA YOU SAW THE RECOMMENDATION ON. WE ARE LEFT WITH TWO FIRMS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AWARDING BOTH FIRMS AND WE CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS WHICH ARE IN THE PACKET. WE HAVE BOTH OF FIRMS HERE TODAY IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO SPEAK TO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS OR EXPERIENCE AND WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH TO SERVE AS SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND WE HAVE THE LAW OFFICES OF JAMES BEDSOLE WITH JAMES BEDSOLE BEING APPOINTED SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND WE HAVE THE LASSITER LAW FIRM WITH DERRI KAY LASSITER YOUNG BEING APPOINTED SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ORDINANCE 2007-21 AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S A TWO-YEAR TERM FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. WE DO THIS EVERY TWO YEARS TO COME UP WITH A NEW MAGISTRATE HER CONTRACT AND THE ORDINANCE ALSO SETS THE HOURLY RATE FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AT THE HOURLY RATE CAN BE ADJUSTED BY A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY AND THEN ALL OF THE ACTIVITY OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS GOVERNED BY THIS ORDINANCE. TODAY THE ACTION BEFORE YOU IS TO APPOINT THE TWO SPECIAL MAGISTRATES, APPROVE THE HOURLY RATE OF $270 PER HOUR WHICH AMENDS THE RATE SET BY THE ORDINANCE AND ALSO AUTHORIZING US TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU IN THE DRAFT PACKET AND THE TWO FIRMS ARE HERE TODAY IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BOTH

CANDIDATES APPEAR. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> JUST TELL US WHY YOU WANT THIS JOB.

>> I HAVE BEEN IN PRACTICE NOW FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS AND RECENTLY MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I HAVE BEEN SLOWLY PHASING OUT OF MY PRIVATE PRACTICE BECAUSE I DO WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WOULD LIKE THIS POSITION.

>> I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR US FOR A WHILE AND I DID RECEIVE NEGATIVE LETTERS ABOUT YOUR PERFORMANCE, BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU COULD DO A GOOD JOB FOR US. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WOULD COMMENT ON GOING FORWARD AND HOW YOU WILL DO A

GOOD JOB FOR US. >> SURE. I HAVE BEEN A MAGISTRATE WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING OFFICER FOR THE COUNTY SINCE ABOUT 2007 AND FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ANIMAL CONTROL. I HAVE BEEN THE LAST FEW YEARS CODE ENFORCEMENT CONTRACT. I ENJOY THE JOB BECAUSE IT GIVES ME CONTACT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY ARE NOT HAPPY TO BE THERE. THE OBJECT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT IS TO GAIN COMPLIANCE AND NOT PUNISH ANYBODY. I TRY VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN HEARD AND TREATED REASONABLY AND IT IS A FAIR RESULT. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN A LOT OF BIG CASES. THERE ARE A FEW BIG CASES. I GOT SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE. I THINK THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY THAT WE LISTENED TO ALL THE EVIDENCE AND REASONABLY CONSIDERED IT AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS MOVING AHEAD WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. THE COUNTY CAN FIND PEOPLE AND ASSESS BIG FINES, BUT IF IT IS A HOMESTEAD, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COLLECT AND PEOPLE PAY THOSE FINES AND DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR HOME OR WHATEVER THE BASIS OF THE COMPLAINT IS. WHAT I TRY TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM AND GO IN THAT DIRECTION. WE ARE NOW EXPERIENCING A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IN THE COUNTY. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 40 OR 50 YEARS AND LIVING THE WAY THEY WANT TO

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LIVE IN THIS LITTLE PIECE OF PARADISE, THEY HAVE NEW NEIGHBORS MOVING IN WITH NEW STANDARDS. WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT OLDER PLACES. I HAVE COMPASSION FOR THOSE PEOPLE. AND I TELL THEM, TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND YOU HAVE TO CHANGE NOW OR CLEAN UP STUFF OR REPAIR YOUR RESIDENCE OR JUST LEAVE IT . IT IS THAT KIND OF THING.

>> HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET MORE PROACTIVE IN DECISION-MAKING A LITTLE QUICKER SO IT DOESN'T GET DRAWN OUT. I DO UNDERSTAND THE DENSITY WHERE THE AIR-CONDITIONERS ARE SO CLOSE TO THE HOMES OR THE POOL PUMPS. I HEAR A LOT OF THAT ALL THE TIME. I APPLAUD YOU FOR SPEAKING -- SPEEDING THE PROCESS UP. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

BOTH OF YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT . IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA NUMBER ONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND

YOU ARE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> ED SLAVEN. CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO COMMISSIONER SANDY FLOWERS AND HAVE ALL OF YOU SEEN THIS? I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS. I AGREE WITH HER AND I THINK YOU COULD PULL HIS NOMINATION UNTIL HE COULD ANSWER THE FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAS BEEN RAISED. RONALD REAGAN SPOKE TO THE SOVIET PEOPLE ON TELEVISION IN 1988 AND HE SAID GOING TO ANY AMERICAN COURTROOM AND THERE WILL PRESIDE AN INDEPENDENT JUDGE BEHOLDEN TO NO GOVERNMENT AT ALL. THAT IS WE EXPECT FROM OUR JUDGES AND EXPECT FROM OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATES AND THAT IS WHAT WE EXPECT FROM OUR ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGES AND HE DOESN'T MEET THAT STANDARD. HE LACKS ATTENTION TO DETAIL.

HE IS AN APOLOGIST FOR WHATEVER GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT EMPLOYS HIM AND I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS QUESTIONNAIRE ESPECIALLY PARAGRAPH 4 REFERRING TO A PENDING ACTIVE CASE INVOLVING PAVERS IN HIS RESPONSE IS CONDESCENDING TOWARD THIS GENTLEMAN WHO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HE WAS TREATED AND I WON'T QUOTE THE PARAGRAPH OF COURSE BUT HE DOES SAY I FINALLY HAD TO TELL THEM, LOOK, YOU DON'T NEED TO COME BACK HERE BECAUSE I CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT LOOK AT THE CODE.

APPARENTLY, HIS PHILOSOPHY OF LEGAL RESEARCH IS LOOKING AT THE CODE AND NOT CASE LAW. HE IS NO SCHOLAR. FOR 10 YEARS HE WAS THE COUNCIL TO THE PORT WATERWAY AND BEACH DISTRICT AND COMMISSIONER FLOWERS WAS A MEMBER OF THIS DISTRICT AND YOU HAVE HER LETTER AND FOR 10 YEARS HE HAD NO RETAINER. FOR 10 YEARS HE HAD NO CONTRACT. WHEN THE COMMISSIONER ASKED FOR THOSE THINGS, HE SENT A COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING WHERE HE WAS HIRED 10 YEARS AGO. HE WAS HOSTILE FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. HE WAS DEFENSIVE OF NO-BID CONTRACTS AND 29 YEARS WITH THE SAME ENGINEERING FIRM. HE MAKES EXCUSES. AND WHEN IT TURNED OUT MR. BENJAMIN WASN'T A RESIDENT OF THE PORT AND WATERWAY DISTRICT AND FOR 10 YEARS HE WASN'T EVEN A RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HE LIVED IN JACKSONVILLE WITH HIS MOM AND WIFE AND YET JAMES BEDSOLE DEFENDED HIM IN HIS PERSONAL CAPACITY WHICH IS A TOTAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WE NEED TO REQUEST A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION AND NEVER AGAIN SHOULD WE HIRE A LAWYER WITHOUT AN ADVERTISEMENT IN THE FLORIDA JOURNAL AND YOU HIRED A COUNTY ATTORNEY WHO DIDN'T APPLY FOR THE JOB. YOU HIRED A COUNTY ADMINISTER DIDN'T APPLY FOR THE JOB AND APPARENTLY CONRAD STILL GIVES THIS ADDRESS FOR THE FLORIDA BAR EVEN THOUGH HE HASN'T WORKED HERE IN TWO YEARS. PLEASE HIRE THE OTHER LADY. PLEASE REJECT THIS

APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING. CHARLIE HUNT. ALL I CAN SAY IS THE BIDDING PROCESS, WHEN I WENT ON TO LOOK AT WHO WAS BIDDING FOR THESE POSITIONS, IT SHOWED A SHORT LIST. I LOOKED THEM UP AND THEY HAVE THE REFERENCES AND EVERYTHING. BUT WHEN THE NAMES CAME OUT FOR THE ORIGINAL THREE LAW FIRMS THAT WERE BEING PICKED, ONLY ONE WAS SHOWN ON THE BID LIST. TO WERE HIDDEN.

OR PRIVATELY BID AND IT WASN'T KNOWN PUBLICLY WHO BID FOR

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THESE TWO SLOTS. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW FROM THE DOUGLAS LAW FIRM HOW THAT TRICKLED DOWN TO HAVING A FORMER COMMISSIONER ON THE LAW FIRM, THE WIFE BEING THE JUDGE IN THAT DISTRICT. AND THEY HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING AND THAT IS STEPPING ASIDE AND NOW THERE IS ONLY TWO. BUT, YES, THAT IS MY CONCERN IS WHY PICK SOMEBODY THE PUBLIC CANNOT LOOK AT WHO IS BIDDING AND IF THEY ARE PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC, WHY ARE THEY NOT SHOWN ON THE BIDDING LIST SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND LOOK AT WHO IS DOING IT AND WHAT THEIR CREDENTIALS ARE. THAT IS WHAT THE MAIN CONCERN IS. AND FOR DOING SIMPLE THINGS LIKE A'S IN ALL OF THAT STUFF AND THEY WERE PAYING FOR IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO IS ON THE BIDDING LIST AND WHAT IS THEIR CREDENTIALS AND WHAT HAVE THEY DONE AND WILL THEY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> MICHAEL MCDONALD , WINDSWEPT ACRES. WHEN I SEE CODE ENFORCEMENT COME UPON HERE IN A SPECIAL MAGISTRATES, I AM SURE YOU GUYS KNOW I HAVE A ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY AND THEIR ENFORCEMENT LEVELS OF SO-CALLED SNIPE SIGNS AND WHAT STARTED WAS I DON'T KNOW IF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS ACCESS TO IT OR HAS ANY PERTINENT INFORMATION HE CAN SHARE WITH THEM ABOUT THE SNIPE SIGNS AND ENFORCEMENT LEVELS BECAUSE THE ENFORCEMENT LEVELS ARE EXTREME. DELANEY FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT SAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE MY SIGN IS IT DOESN'T MATTER AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN IN MY WINDOW AND TREATED ME LIKE AN A. SHE SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE IT WILL BE SO I HAD TO GET BEVERLY FRAZIER DOWN THERE AND CORRECTOR AND THEN I GOT

ROBERT POTTER TO GET MY SIGN >> BECAUSE IT TOOK EVERY ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SIGNS AS WELL. WHILE WE HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HERE IN THE BUILDING AND ONE OF THESE PEOPLE APPOINTED, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM RAIN IN AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE, I CAN IMAGINE PEOPLE BICKERING IN THESE DENSE COMMUNITIES ABOUT THEIR PAVERS AND POOL DECKS AND EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN, CAMERAS. YOU CAN IMAGINE. LET'S RAIN THEM IN A LITTLE BIT AND IF WE HAVE TWO BUT IF WE DO, LET'S RAIN THEM IN A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE WE COULD USE THEM PROPERLY AND NOT BE BURDENING HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS AND MAYBE WE CAN DELINEATE WHICH ISSUE IS AND I DOUBT YOU HAVE MADE PROGRESS ON THOSE COMPLAINTS BUT MAYBE WE HAVE TWO MAGISTRATES WHICH SEEMS IMMENSE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WILL BE BLEEDING MONEY AND I AM GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION I HOPE YOU GUYS GET CODE ENFORCEMENT UNDER CONTROL. ANYONE ELSE WITH PUBLIC

COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> I HAVE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND $270 AN HOUR. IS HE

WORTH $270 AN HOUR? >> WE DON'T HAVE AN IMMEDIATE

RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. >> WHAT I FIGURED.

>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY

QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION OR SUGGESTION. BUT IN ADDITION TO THE COMMENTS HERE I RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES OR SO AGO FROM

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SANDY FLOWERS, A FORMER MEMBER OF THE WATERWAY BOARD AND SHE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF FACTS, I WILL CALL THEM. I WAS JUST WONDERING AND NOW WONDERING OUT LOUD IF WE SHOULD GIVE JAMES BEDSOLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND IF HE CHOOSES TO EITHER OF THOSE COMMENTS BECAUSE I HATE SURPRISES MYSELF. I AM NOT SURE THAT JAMES BEDSOLE HAS SEEN THE LETTER BECAUSE I JUST GOT IT THIS MORNING. MY SUGGESTION IS, IF HE CHOOSES, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIM HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THAT LETTER AND THEN RESPOND. I THINK THAT IS ONLY FAIR. AND THIS IS BEFORE WE GO FORWARD AND THEN MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WE COULD ALWAYS TABLE THIS ITEM AND COME BACK IF HE WANTS TO COMMENT AND

THAT IS MY SUGGESTION. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE LETTER AND WE TABLE IT AND COME BACK LATER? OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE?

>> I MOVE WE TABLE THIS ITEM FOR A TIME UNCERTAIN AND COME BACK AFTER JAMES BEDSOLE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THAT LETTER AND RESPOND IF HE CHOOSES AND I SUGGEST MAYBE WE GIVE IT A FEW ITEMS DEPENDING ON HOW LONG IT TAKES BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 4:00 THIS AFTERNOON BUT COME BACK WHEN HE HAS AN

OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. >> SECOND.

>> WE WILL GET YOU A COPY OF THE LETTER AND I THINK WE CAN THEN GO AHEAD AND HERE THIS ITEM AFTER NUMBER 4, IN BETWEEN

4 AND 5 IF IT IS AGREEABLE. >> THAT WAS MY MOTION.

[2. St. Johns County Special Obligation Revenue Bonds Series 2024A to Fund Regional Parks, Community Centers and Public Safety Infrastructure. On April 2, 2024, the St. Johns County Commission authorized the County Administrator to move forward with the plan to construct regional parks and community centers and assemble a County financing team to present a financing package to the Commission. And on April 16, 2024, the St. Johns County Commission authorized the County Administrator to move forward with the public safety plan and assemble a County financing team to present a financing package to the Commission. The September 17, 2024, agenda item provides consideration of a resolution of the Board of County Commissioners, authorizing the issuance of St. Johns County, Special Obligation Revenue Bonds, Series 2024A, in an amount not to exceed $120,000,000 in order to finance costs of regional parks and community centers and public safety infrastructure. In sum, the resolution authorizes the issuance of the 2024A Bonds, and pledges to budget Non Ad Valorem Revenues to secure payment of the debt service. The Resolution provides for a competitive sale of the Bonds and approves the forms of various financing documents including the Preliminary Official Statement, the Official Notice of Sale, and the Continuing Disclosure Certificate. Here, the Finance Team seeks the Board’s approval of this resolution, which includes the required supplemental documents (attached hereto and incorporated herein as Exhibits A-E), to move forward in issuing the 2024A Bonds. For the Board's convenience in reviewing, each of the exhibits are titled/described below: Exhibit A: Form of Official Notice of Sale; Exhibit B: Form of Preliminary Official Statement; Exhibit C: Form of Continuing Disclosure Certificate; Exhibit D: General Description of the Project.]

>> I MADE A SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. VOTE.

>> IT PASSES 5-0. IF SOMEBODY COULD PLEASE GIVE HIM A COPY OF THAT LETTER. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, JESSE DUNN, DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND THIS MORNING WE WILL CONSIDER A PRESENTATION RECOMMENDING BONDS TO FUND REGIONAL PARKS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, AND PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE. IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A HANDOFF THIS MORNING BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND A LITTLE BIT BACK AND FORTH AND I WILL ASK JAY GLOVER, OUR CONSULTANT FOR FINANCING TO ALSO COME UP AND PROVIDE A LITTLE LAY OF THE LAND IN TERMS OF GOING OUT TO A BOND MARKET.

FIRST, A LITTLE BIT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT TIMELINE AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROJECTS HERE THAT WE WILL RE-DISCUSS THAT WE WILL PRESENT IN APRIL, APRIL SECOND AND APRIL 16 BUT THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR SOME TIME AND CERTAINLY REGIONAL PARKS, LIBRARIES AND FIRE STATIONS AND THESE ARE NOT NEW PROJECTS BUT THEY ARE EXISTING IDENTIFIED BY BOTH THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMISSION, AND THE DIRECTORS WHO REPRESENT CERTAINLY THERE AREAS. ON APRIL TWO, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION REGARDING PARKS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS AND THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME PROVIDED A MOTION TO PRESENT OR MOVE FORWARD AND PRESENT FUTURE FINANCING. ON THE 16TH THE SUBSEQUENT AGENDA IN PUBLIC SAFETY PRESENTATION WAS MADE AGAIN WITH SOME CONSIDERATION TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND PRESENT FUTURE FINANCING. OVER THE SUMMER STAFF IS WORKING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY TEAM SO MULTITUDE OF DEPARTMENTS AND STAFF THAT WORKED WITH WHAT IS CALLED A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, A NEW PROCESS FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT WE WILL DISCUSS TODAY TO OVERALL REDUCE OF THOSE COSTS OF THE PROGRAM.

HERE WE ARE TODAY, AGAIN, ROLLING OUT THAT PROGRAM AND WHAT THE DOLLARS LOOK LIKE AND THE FINANCING CONSIDERATION.

THREE IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS ON THIS I THINK OUR WORTH NOTING AND I WILL NOTE THEM TWICE . THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT

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DIRECTLY SERVE THIS PROJECT. THESE AREN'T INFRASTRUCTURE MEANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THESE COMMUNITIES AND THESE ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE CUE FOR SOME TIME AND FOUR ARE ACTIVE AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSERVATION AND PASSIVE PARKS BUT THESE ARE FOUR ACTIVE REGIONAL PARKS BRAND-NEW THAT RYAN WILL DISCUSS AS WELL AS ENHANCEMENTS TO TWO EXISTING PARKS. THERE ARE THREE NEW LIBRARY HUBS AND TWO SMALLER LIBRARY UNITS AND ONE MAIN LIBRARY WHERE WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTED ONE -- WE HAVE NOT CONSTRUCTED ONE IN SOME TIME, 20 YEARS. THIS WILL INCLUDE COMMUNITY CENTERS AS WELL AND AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IN APRIL THERE WERE FOUR FIRE STATION PROJECTS WITH THREE OF THEM IDENTIFIED WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR FINANCING IN THE FOURTH ONE IS OUTSIDE OF THAT WINDOW AND SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK TO YEARS OUT IN TERMS OF COMING OUT WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO FUND THAT PROGRAM. THE NEXT QUESTION IS IMPORTANT. ALL OF THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED THIS AND I HAVE RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS FROM THE PUBLIC. DOES THIS MEAN THE COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE GROWTH IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THIS. THE ANSWER IS ADAMANTLY, NO. AND I THINK THE POINT ON THIS APPROACH WAS WE HAD IDENTIFIED EXISTING INCOME STREAMS WITHIN THE BUDGETARY PROGRAM WHICH CAN ADDRESS IF THE BOARD MOVES FORWARD WITH FINANCING AND PAYING THAT SERVICE WITHOUT ANY REQUIREMENTS TO APPROVE FUTURE GROWTH. AND AS WELL I WILL GO OVER WHAT I THINK IS A SAFE APPROACH TO THE DEBT SERVICE WITH MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO ENSURE THAT NO PROPERTY TAXES ARE USED TO PAY THE DEBT ON THIS. AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION AND ALWAYS ASKED ARE WE USING PROPERTY TAXES TO PAY FOR IT. THERE IS NO PLAN TO USE PROPERTY TAXES. AGAIN, I WILL MAKE THIS POINT AGAIN LATER BUT IT IS IMPORTANT. THIS SEEMS TO BE A LARGER QUESTION ASKED OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS. WITH THAT, HE WILL HAND IT OFF TO THE DIRECTOR AND CERTAINLY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

>> THANK YOU, JESSE DUNN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND I AM JOINED ALONGSIDE DEBORAH GIBSON AND THESE ARE EXCITING TIMES FOR THE COMMUNITY AND EXCITING TIMES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION AND IF YOU RECALL WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS MASTERPLAN FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS NOW AT THIS POINT AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS PLAN FOR THE PARKS HAS BEEN A WHOLE COMMUNITY EFFORT. WE REACHED OUT WITH EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND RECEIVED OVER 4000 RESPONSES BACK FROM SURVEYS TO WHAT PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT THEY NEEDED EACH OF THOSE PARKS WITH OVER 30,000 WEBSITE VISITS. IN ADDITION, WE DID MEET WITH THE PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS TO HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS AND NEEDS WERE AND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WITHIN THESE PARKS. WE WORKED WITH THE FINEST DESIGN TEAM WE COULD TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THESE PARKS RIGHT AND WE BROUGHT ON THE SPORTS TO COME IN TO MAKE SURE WE DESIGN THESE THEY WILL BE PARKS THAT WILL BE HERE FOR G WE CAN BE PROUD OF AND HOLD UP OVER TIME AND ADDITIONALLY THE MASTERPLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THE ADVISORY BOARD IN MARCH OF 23 AND WE HAD SOME SESSIONS WITH THE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION.

TRANSITIONING ]

>> THIS MORNING, YOU SAW A GREAT PRESENTATION HIGHLIGHTING FIVE NEW SCHOOLS. AND THE NEED FOR PARKS. IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, WOULD LOVE TO OPEN A SECOND PARK AT MILLCREEK PARK

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FOR THE USE OF THE RESIDENCE AND THE CITIZENS. JUST KIND OF SEEING THAT INCORPORATED THE NEED FOR PARKS TO COME ALONG .

OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOSTING SPORTS TOURS AND TOURNAMENTS .

IN ADDITION WITH THIS , TO LOOK AT THE NEW PERSPECTIVE OF ADDING LIBRARIES TO PARKS. WHICH TO ME , I THINK THIS IS VERY EXCITING. SPEAKING PERSONALLY, FROM BRINGING MY CHILD AND HAVING THE SIBLING SIT IN THE SUN DOING HOMEWORK AND CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY IN THAT OUTLOOK HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH THOSE AREAS IN THE PARKS . TO THE PICKLEBALL USER COMES OUT DURING THE DAY AND PARTICIPATES IN PICKLEBALL.

GOING TO THE LIBRARY, PICK UP THEIR BOOK, DROPPING OFF THEIR

BOOK. >> GOOD MORNING. WE HAVE A HUGE DEFICIT , ESPECIALLY THE NORTHERN CENTRAL PART OF THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO OUR LIBRARIES. WE USED BIWEEKLY, WEEKLY , AND AS MY PATRONS WILL TELL ME, WE WANT THE SAME THING THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS. FOR MANY YEARS, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC BUDGET HEARINGS, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE SHARE THE SAME FAMILY AUDIENCE THAT PARKS AND REC DOES FOR THEIR SUPPORTERS. IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT OPPORTUNITY INSIDE A PARK LOCATION . ONE-STOP SHOPPING.

YOU CAN DO TOURNAMENTS, YOU CAN STILL DO YOUR BOOKS, YOU CAN HAVE A PLACE TO JUST HANG OUT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID BACK IN APRIL WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PRESENTED WAS TO WORK WITH THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD TO KEEP THEM APPRISED OF THE OPPORTUNITIES . I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SAD FACE AMONGST ANY OF THESE PEOPLE. AND IF YOU GO BACK EVEN TO OUR MASTER PLAN, THE LAST RENDITION OF THAT WAS 2018. IT IDENTIFIED THAT THOSE SAME LOCATIONS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT, WE IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS BACK IN 1999. IT IS THOSE AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT HAVE CONTINUED TO DEVELOP, CONTINUE TO POPULATE, AND ARE STILL UNDERSERVED AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED. WE IN THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY ARE THRILLED TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH PARKS AND RECREATION.

>> THANK YOU. TO SHOWCASE THAT AGAIN AT THE CENTRAL SPORTSPLEX, THIS IS LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ACADEMY. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE.

THIS WILL BE EIGHT MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS . THE COMMUNITY IS EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY . THIS IS WHY WE ARE MAKING THAT INVESTMENT . IT DOES PROVIDE 12 MONTHS OF PLAYABILITY . OUR USER GROUPS ARE EXPANDING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AS OPPOSED TO SEASONAL BASIS. IT PROVIDES THE FIRST NON-SCHOOL GROUNDS RUNNING TRACK IN THE COUNTY, WHICH WILL BE AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO GET OUT AND UTILIZE THE TRACK AND HAVE THAT BE PUBLIC ACCESS FOR COUNTY USERS THROUGH OUT THE YEARS. IT INCLUDES WALKING PATHS, WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT WAS TO MAKE SURE WALKING PATHS WERE INCLUDED AND HAVE EXTENSIVE WALKING PATHS INCLUDED THERE. AND ALSO THIS IS SET UP A DESIGN TO HOST REGIONAL TOURNAMENT AND PART OF THESE ARE BEING PAID BACK THROUGH CATEGORY THREE SPORTS TOURISM. THE ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS WITH THE TRACK AROUND IT DOES HAVE A STADIUM CONCEPT TO IT. THERE WILL BE SEATING FOR 1200 INDIVIDUALS ON SITE. THE

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NEXT SITE IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET AND IS JUST NORTH OF THE CENTRAL COMMUNITY PARK. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE , BECAUSE THE SITE IS REALLY COMMUNITY-BASED. IT IS A TRADITIONAL SPORTS USER BASE. THIS WILL INCLUDE A COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT ON THE GROUNDS , AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR SUMMER CAMPS, ET CETERA. AN IMPORTANT YOU KNOW THAT WITH ALL OF HER COMMUNITY SERVICE BASIS, THEY ARE DESIGNED BE UTILIZED AS A COUNTYWIDE ASSET TO BE UTILIZED BY THE COUNTY WHEN IT IS NEEDS. ALL WOULD HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. ADDITIONALLY, EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS, UNOPENED BASKETBALL COURT IN A COVERED BASKETBALL COURT. OPEN RECREATION FIELD SPACE , ONE OF THE TRADITIONAL COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVE IS IT'S INACCESSIBLE. IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC USER.

WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE FREE FIELD SPACE AND PLAYGROUNDS DESIGNED FOR MULTIPLE AGES, INCLUDING SKATEBOARD AMENITIES AT THAT SITE AS WELL. WE ALSO WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE AMPHITHEATER ON THE SITE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY -- AN UNCOVERED BASKETBALL WORD COULD PROVE TO BE A PLACE FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS FOR THEM. THE NEXT SITE IS IN THE NORTHWEST COMMUNITY PARK, AND THIS IS BEHIND THE PUBLIC'S. THE COMMUNITY CENTER WITH A LIBRARY HUB. SUPPORTING THE SCHOOL DURING ELECTIONS. THERE WILL BE WILL BE CALLED A QUAD OR A WAGON WHEEL , TWO BASEBALL, TWO SOFTBALL FIELDS. AND OF THE SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS, SAND VOLLEYBALL COURTS, PLAYGROUND, CONCESSIONS, PICNIC. AND THE LAST FOUR PARTS OF THE PARK, INCLUDING COMMUNITY CENTER, INCORPORATES A FULL-SERVICE LIBRARY BRANCH IN A WAGON WHEEL AGAIN. PICKLEBALL COURTS, MULTIPURPOSE SOCCER FIELDS, AND -- IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT ALL FOUR OF THESE SITES RECEIVE COUNTY FUNDS AS PART OF THEIR DRI'S , DATING BACK TO CLOSE TO 20 YEARS AGO AT THIS TIME.

ADDITIONALLY, INCLUDED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN , DAVIS PARK EXPANSION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE TRANSITIONAL SOFTBALL FIELDS . SEPARATING THE TWO USER GROUPS THERE. AND ADDITIONAL PARKING AMENITIES. THAT PROVIDES A FANTASTIC -- IF SOMEONE IS NOT GOING OUT AND SEE THAT PLAN IN ACTION, I AM A LITTLE TAINTED IN THAT PERSPECTIVE. THIS WILL PROVIDE A.D.A. FAMILY RESTROOMS AND A CONCESSION STAND AND ADDITIONAL A.D.A. PARKING. THEY WILL ASSIGNMENT FOR WEEKENDS WHEN THEY ARE HOSTING EVENTS TO HANDLE THE PARKING CONCERNS.

AND THEN WE'LL GO IN THIS LITTLE MORE DETAIL COMING UP , SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTION IN PLACE AND READY TO ROLL AND BRING THE PRICES DOWN THROUGH SOME VALUE ENGINEERING . WE WANT TO CLOSE THESE OUT BY 2026. JESSE, YOU

GOT THE NEXT ONE? >> THANK YOU, RYAN. STICK AROUND. IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS. WILL BE DOING SOME

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INVESTMENTS AND FIRE STATIONS AND PUBLIC SAFETY THERE WERE ALSO IN THE PRESENTATION. FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE INITIATIVES OF THIS CONDITION TO HAVE FIRE RESCUE SERVICES , SO OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, IT'S A $9 MILLION PROGRAM TO RENOVATE EXISTING PARKS FIRST AND FOREMOST , AND THEN ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS . CHIEF MCGEE IS HERE TO DISCUSS OR ENHANCE THIS. BEING CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS BOND STATIONING. THAT HAS BEGUN. AN ESTIMATED COMPLETION OF LATE 2025. IT'S GOING TO NECESSITATE THE APPARATUS SAFETY GRANT THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED EARLIER , AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IN OUR CONSENT AGENDA TODAY . PLUS, 12 FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS. THIS HELPS US FUND THE OPERATION OF THESE. IN ADDITION TO THREE OF THESE, A SHERIFF'S OFFICE SUBSTATION. SO WE ARE NOT BUILDING COMPARTMENTALIZED FACILITIES , THESE FACILITIES ARE CERTAINLY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SUBSTATION -- FIRE STATION 22, I'M SORRY.

THE SILVERLEAF AREA. IT WOULD UTILIZE FOUR APPARATUS AND A TEST NECESSITATES 33 FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS . AGAIN, WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SUBSTATION. ESTIMATED COMPLETION OF LATE 2028 , FOUR APPARATUS, NECESSITATES 30 FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS. AGAIN, DEMAND OF THE PUBLIC, FROM PUBLIC SAFETY, IT CERTAINLY ENHANCES RESPONSE TIMES AND LIVE SERVICES. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT COMMITMENTS HERE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A DIRECT CAUSE-AND-EFFECT, BUT THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION AND THE POSSIBILITY OF REDUCTION FOR INSURANCE. SO THAT IS ALSO A CONSIDERATION.

ADAM WAS HERE EARLIER , THE STAFF HAS PURSUED WITH THIS COMMISSION , THE CITY OF FLORIDA, HALF $1 MILLION. THE LANGUAGE IS ACTUALLY FROM AN EARLIER PRESENTATION. WE ARE ABLE TO FUND THE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY USING THAT 7 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS. WE WOULD CONSIDER A LATTER PHASE, WHICH WOULD CONSIDER A UNIFIED COMMAND CENTER AND CLASSROOMS. WE WOULD CONTINUE THE SNAKE WATER EXPANSION , CENTRALIZED IN THE COUNTY. AND RELOCATE IT FROM AN ACTIVE RAILROAD AREA .

THE COMPLETION WOULD BE END OF 2027. THE SHERIFF'S PLEDGED LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES , AND THE SERVICE WOULD BE PAID WHOLLY THROUGH THOSE IMPACT FEES. THAT VACATED SPACE ON THE COUNTY CAMPUS DOES PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME OF THE SPACE NEEDS THAT ARE NEEDED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. WE TALKED ABOUT CERTAINLY SOME OF THE CONCERNS. THERE WILL BE RECURRING BUDGET IMPACT. AGAIN, WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THESE POSITIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS OVER THE NEXT

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COUPLE OF YEARS, AS WELL AS FIRE AND APPARATUS VEHICLES , THE AMBULANCE, AND THE FIRE TRUCKS, IF YOU WILL, ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS FINANCING CONSIDERATION. WE WOULD CONSIDER THOSE ON A SHORTER TIMEFRAME . IF THE BOARD MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS FINANCING , AGAIN, TRYING TO START THAT PROCESS AS WELL. AMBULANCES AND ENGINES, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO THREE YEARS FROM THE ORDER DATE. IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY, WE WOULD ASK AS WELL AS A SECOND MOTION TO CONSIDER GETTING IN LINE TO CUE UP FINANCE AND GET THOSE APPARATUS FINANCED AS WELL. IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THERE'S REALLY NO MATERIAL INCREASE . SO I'M GOING TO TRANSITION THIS UP TO OUR DIRECTOR, DAN , TO TALK ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WE DID ALL SUMMER AND COMING UP WITH A

CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY PLAN. >> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE DELIVERY AND KIND OF THE TIMELINE AND PROCESS THAT HAS LED US TO THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. SO WE WILL BRIEFLY DISCUSS , ONE BEING TRADITIONAL, ONE BEING ALTERNATIVE. THE DELIVERY TEAM WE HAVE KIND OF PUT TOGETHER TO WORK THIS PROCESS . WE WILL HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THE COST REDUCTIONS. AND THEN SOME OF THE SAFEGUARDS. SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE COUNTY AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION METHOD . AND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, THIS IS NEW FIRE STATION 11. THIS IS -- WE COMMONLY CALL THIS THE MOST DELIVERY METHOD FOR CONSTRUCTION . THIS IS WHAT WE USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR FIRE STATION. SO THE OWNER , ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, HIRES OUT AN ARCHITECT. THE ARCHITECT GOES OUT AND HIRES ENGINEERS AS THEIR CONSULTANT. THEY GO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS . THE LOWEST BIDDER WINS THE PROJECT. SO WE WENT , AS JESSE MENTIONED LITTLE EARLIER, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE , BUT IT IS THE FIRST TIME THE COUNTY HAS USED THIS DELIVERY METHOD. THE OWNER , GOES OUT AND HIRES THE ARCHITECT. BUT WE ALSO HIRE CMAR SIMULTANEOUSLY. NO WORK AS ONE TEAM. WE TELL THEM, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. THE ARCHITECT DESIGNS IT. ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES TO THIS IS THE CMAR ESTIMATES THE COST THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN PROCESS. SO CONSTRUCTION IS MADE UP OF A NUMBER OF DIVISIONS. SO THEY ESTIMATE THESE DIVISIONS IN THE PROCESS. IF THEY FIND THAT WE HAVE MOVED OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETERS, AND ANY ONE OF THESE DIVISIONS, IT ALLOWS US THE ABILITY TO BRING IT BACK IN. WE END UP WITH WHAT IS CALLED A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. SO THE OTHER TWO BIG ADVANTAGES -- THIS ALSO HELPS MITIGATE CHANGE ORDERS. THE OTHER PART IS, IT MITIGATES OUR RISK . SO WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DELIVERY TEAM TO REPRESENT THE COUNTY THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THOSE REPRESENTATIVES ARE

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CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. THEY ARE GOING TO ACT AS A PROJECT MANAGER . PROCUREMENT. WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, BIG-TIME INVOLVEMENT AS FAR AS CONTRACT MANAGEMENT AND WHAT WILL BE OWNER OF DIRECT PURCHASE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, THEY KNOW WHAT WORKS. AND FACILITIES. SO FACILITIES -- THEY GET BUILT, THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT MATERIALS ARE USED SO WE CAN MITIGATES THE COST. WHAT DID THE DELIVERY TEAM ACCOMPLISH? WE WILL TOUCH ON THAT. THE FIRST ESTIMATED COST WE RECEIVED AT 60% WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD -- WE CURRENTLY STAND AT ABOUT 99 IN THIS PROCESS. WE NEGOTIATED FEES , WE NEGOTIATED CONTINGENCIES , AND THAT IS ANOTHER BENEFIT OF USING A CMAR . WE NEGOTIATE EVERY SINGLE COST WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. AS MENTIONED, WE REDUCED SOME OF THE CMAR'S INDIRECT COST. THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED . WE REMOVED SOME SCOPE FROM THE CMAR. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS THE FURNISHINGS . HEDGES, PICNIC TABLES . BY DOING THIS ALONE , WE REDUCED THE PRICE BY ABOUT $1 MILLION.

WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. IT'S A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE ARE MAKING TAX SAVINGS WITH SALES TAX. SO PROTECTING ST. JOHNS COUNTY . THIS IS WHERE THE SHOUT OUT COMES IN PLACE . WE HAVE AN OFFRAMP. AT ANY POINT THAT WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE ARE RECEIVING, THE COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO GET OUT OF THAT CONTRACT WITHOUT BEING PENALIZED. THIS WAS PUT IN THEIR SIX MONTHS AFTER SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION . THE THIRD PARTY IS APPROVED BY US TO GO AHEAD AND WRITE EVERY SINGLE COST THAT WAS GIVEN TO US. IF IT COMES BACK THAT WE WERE OVERCHARGED -- AND THEN OWNER DIRECT PURCHASE. THE COUNTY SHOULD AND DOES DO A GOOD JOB ON LEVERAGING THIS. SO WRITTEN IN THE CONTRACT, 35% OF THE PROJECT DIRECT COST IS OWNER DIRECT PURCHASE. THIS IS ESTIMATED TO SAVE THE COUNTY 2.5 MILLION IN COST.

>> THANK YOU. FINANCING CONSIDERATIONS. SINCE WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THESE IN APRIL, FINANCING AT THAT TIME WAS $238 MILLION BETWEEN THE TWO PRESENTATIONS. IN THE MIDDLE COLUMN THERE , 138-60 THROUGH INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY TEAM NEGOTIATIONS , CMAR, THE SHERIFF'S COMMITMENT , ALTERNATIVE REVENUE OFFSETS. WE HAVE FINANCING DOWN TO $117.7 MILLION. THESE ARE THE REVENUES WE ARE USING TO OFFSET .

TOWARDS SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS. I LIKE TO PERSONALLY THINK THE

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DIRECTORS OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THOSE IMPACT FEES. THEY HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY ACCUMULATING THEM TOWARD A LARGER PROJECT. THE FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION , THIS COMMISSION BROUGHT IN A TRAINING FACILITY USING $1 MILLION OUTSOURCED DEVELOPMENT . THE INITIAL OFFSET , ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS MUCH LOWER. THERE'S ALSO SOME CUMULATIVE PROJECT APPROPRIATIONS. SINCE 2019, THE REGIONAL PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, ABOUT $16.8 MILLION. AS A OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT TO OFFER $1.6 MILLION. IN SOME OF OUR INTEREST EARNINGS DERIVED FROM FINANCING WILL BE UTILIZED, TURNED AROUND, AND PUT INTO THIS PROJECT. THESE WILL BE OUR INITIAL OFFSETS TO THE FINANCING COST. IT WILL BE PAID USING IMPACT FEES , STATE REMITTED REVENUES. OF THE SIX CENTS THAT WE PAY , IT IS REMITTED , AND THAT IS HOW WE PAY FOR BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CATEGORY 3 TDT FUNDS. I WANT TO LET JAKE GLOVER TALK ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE STRONG CREDIT RATINGS. YOU SEE WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS GENERAL FUND RESERVES. WE HAVE A FAVORABLE INTEREST RATE GOING INTO THIS OF 3.75%. THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE ARE USING ARE GENERATED -- SERVICE IS BASED ON WHAT HIS CURRENT OUTSTANDING SERVICE INDUSTRY, ALREADY IMPROVED ITEMS. AGAIN, THERE IS NO PROPERTY TAX PROJECTED TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE PROPERTY TAXES ON THIS. WE MAINTAIN MORE THAN A YEAR OF IMPACT FEES ON OUR RESERVE AND WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THOSE AND COMMIT THOSE DOLLARS . THE STATE REMITTED SALES TAX STATUS SIDE IS GREATER RIGHT NOW THAN BEING PROJECTED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS HAS IDENTIFIED -- SO CERTAINLY THAT IS A FALLBACK POSITION FOR US. AND THEN ANOTHER FACTOR FOR ME THAT CERTAINLY HELPS ME SLEEP AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WE ARE RETIRING DEBT SERVICE. AS EARLY AS 2027 , SO TWO YEARS FROM NOW . TWO AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT SERVICE THAT IS GOING TO FALL OFF . AGAIN, NON-PROPERTY TAX REVENUES THAT CAN BE USED IF THERE WAS A MORATORIUM . THAT IS A FALLBACK. WE ARE NOT USING PROPERTY TAXES TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES. WE ALSO HAVE A 2029, A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, ANOTHER 800,000 IN CASE THIS HAS DRIED UP. AS WE LOOK AT THIS AS A SAFE APPROACH TO THAT SERVICE , WE MADE THIS LINE UP BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONCERN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSION. WE DON'T TAKE THE BRINGING FORWARD OF FUNDING LIGHTLY. THERE'S MORE CATEGORIES HERE GENERALLY, TRADITIONALLY FROM A GOVERNMENT STANDPOINT. THE FIRST AND FOREMOST WAY WE APPROACH PROJECT IS PAY-AS-YOU-GO. IT IS THE MOST TRADITIONAL, AND IT'S REALLY THE WAY WE KIND OF COACH MANY THINGS . SAVE UP TOWARD THE SPEND. SAVE UP THE MONEY ON A SMALL PROJECT. AND THAT HAS BEEN A FACTOR. I WILL SAY THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF FIRE STATIONS BUILT, AND THAT HAS BEEN A SUCCESS . WE DON'T TOUT

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THAT A LOT, BUT FOR YEARS IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

PAY-AS-YOU-GO HAS AN OFFSET, AND THAT IS IT IS SLOW WHEN THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROJECTS. A COMBINATION , WE'VE SEEN PROJECTS GET INTO THE QUEUE, AND THE PAY-AS-YOU-GO IS A ALWAYS EFFECTIVE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS EFFECTIVE TO SAY -- I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE IN EVERYONE'S REAL LIFE. I WOULD LOVE TO SAVE UP FOR A HOUSE AT SOME POINT. I HAVE TO CONSIDER I'M NOT GOING TO SAVE UP ENOUGH IN A YEAR FOR A HOUSE.

THAT ALLOWS YOU TO TAKE ON A LARGER PROJECT, OR IN OUR CASE, WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS QUEUED UP, IT ALLOWS YOU TO ADDRESS THOSE PROJECTS , MULTIPLE PROJECTS AT A TIME. IN OUR CASE, WE HAVE QUEUED UP FIRE STAGES AND REGIONAL PARKS AMENITIES. THE BENEFITS -- CERTAINLY, YOU PAY INTEREST.

ONE OF THE POSITIVES OF FINANCING AS IT DOES SHARE THE DEBT BURDEN WITH FUTURE BENEFICIARIES. THESE ARE POTENTIALLY 20 YEARS , SO THEY ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO OUR CURRENT COMMUNITY . AS OTHER PEOPLE GROW UP AND USE THOSE PARKS, WE ARE GOING TO SHARE THE BURDEN OF PAYING FOR THEM. THE THIRD APPROACH FOR GETTING CAPITAL PROJECTS DONE IS -- THIS IS A NEW ONE FOR US. THAT INTERGOVERNMENTAL DEPARTMENT. SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT IN PLACE NO MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO. THIS IS CHAMPIONED BY JOEY ANDREWS. TO START A GOVERNMENTAL DEPARTMENT THAT HAS BEEN ACTIVELY PURSUING STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. WE HAVE MANAGED IN THE PAST TO LEVERAGE FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS, BUT PARTNERING WITH THIS COMMISSION TO BRING IN TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOWARDS BOTH SERVICES .

CERTAINLY , I WILL SAY THERE ARE SOME DRAWBACKS THERE , AND WE KNOW THAT GOING INTO IT. THESE GRANTS CAN BE COMPLEX.

THERE'S ALWAYS STRINGS ATTACHED WITH GRANTS. GOING IN FROM ONE STATE APPROPRIATION TO ANOTHER , THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN MANY OF OUR PROJECTS. THAT IS 7 1/2 MILLION THROUGH THE STATE TOWARDS A $7.5 MILLION PROJECT. THAT DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO BEEN SUCCESSFUL. AGAIN, TWO YEARS AGO, WE WERE NOT LEVERAGING. AND AGAIN, I WILL BRING THIS UP. IT'S IN THE PAST, BUT ANOTHER WAY -- THIS WAS LED BY THE COMMISSION TO PUT THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS A REFERENDUM.

IT'S A NON- TRADITIONAL APPROACH. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THIS, I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP AS ANOTHER OPTION , WHICH IS A SALES TAX INITIATIVE. SAME THING. BRINGS IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY . IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS QUEUED UP, WHICH IN OUR CASE, WE HAVE A LARGE CIP PROGRAM. YES, IT IS A TAX , AND IT FAILED THE REFERENDUM. LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES, WHAT WE HAD THE FALLING BACK A LOT ON IS, WE ARE IN A PLACE RIGHT NOW FROM YOUR BUDGET OFFICE PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T SEE HOW WE FINANCE -- WELL, NOT FINANCE, BUT FUND THESE PARKS AND THESE FIRE STATIONS IN PAY-AS-YOU-GO WITH THE LEVEL OF DEMAND FOR THE SERVICES.

THAT'S HOW WE GET BACK TO THE TRADITIONAL APPROACH OF FINANCE. AGAIN, THERE'S ARE THREE IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS. THEY ARE PARKS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THEY ARE LIBRARY FACILITIES , THERE ARE FIRE STATIONS . AND THERE'S NO OBLIGATION IN MY

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PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH. AND AGAIN, I FEEL THIS IS A SAFE APPROACH WITH DEBT SERVICE RETIRING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO ENSURE THAT PROPERTY TAXES ARE USED. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MOTIONS OR COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION , HE IS OUR FINANCIAL CONSULTANT. TO COME UP. CERTAINLY, THE COMMISSION MOVES FORWARD, FOR THE FINANCES.

>> THANKS, JESSE. MADAM CHAIR , COMMISSION MEMBERS. WE ARE YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISER WHEN YOU NEED TO ACCESS THE CAPITAL MARKET TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS AS NEEDED. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE MARKET. IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TERMS OF FINANCING, AS WAS MENTIONED BY JESSE, WE ARE PROPOSING A 20 YEAR FINANCING.

IT WOULD BE SICK BY LEGALLY AVAILABLE, NOT EQUITABLE REVENUES, AND IT WOULD BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SOURCES THAT JESSE MENTIONED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS. BASED ON CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS, WORKS THING ABOUT A 3.75% AND T.I.C. AS ENTRY WILL FOLLOW THE MARKETS VERY CLOSELY, THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS MEETING THIS WEEK. I THINK THERE'S A FULL EXPECTATION THEY WILL START CUTTING RATES AT THIS MEETING. I THINK THERE IS STILL SOME DEBATE AS TO WHETHER IT WILL BE 25 OR 50 POINT ACES CUT, BUT THE MARKETS HAVE DEFINITELY STARTED TO PRICE AND SIGNIFICANT RATE CUT THIS YEAR , TO THE TUNE OF, AGAIN, WHERE WE CAN BORROW ABOUT A 3.75% ALL INTEREST COST. ONE THING WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE IS, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD, IS TO GIVEN THE MARKET REALLY MID TO LATE OCTOBER. GIVING THIS COMPLETED BEFORE THE ACTUAL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE ELECTION. SO A LOT OF ISSUERS THAT ARE MEETING FUNDING FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE REALLY TRYING TO GET THOSE CAPITAL PROJECT LOCKED IN BEFORE THE ELECTION HAPPENS. WE ARE TRYING TO DO THAT HERE AS WELL. I THINK THE TIMING IS ACTUALLY IDEAL FOR ENTERING THE CAPITAL ORDINANCE. ALSO, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE COUNTY HAS AN EXTREMELY HIGH CREDIT RATING -- THE HIGHEST CREDIT RATING POSSIBLE, ACTUALLY. WE ARE RATED AAA. WE ACTUALLY GOT THAT RATING AFFIRMED BACK IN MARCH. WE DID MAKE THE RATING ANALYST PREPARE A FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECT, SO I DON'T THINK THE ISSUES OF THIS HAVING ANY IMPACT ON THE AAA CREDIT RATING. AND IF I MIGHT, JUST TO READ FROM A GRADING REPORT AS OF THE RATIONALE FOR WHY THAT RATE WAS AAA, IT SAYS, ST.

JOHNS COUNTY HAS AN EXCEPTIONALLY STRONG CREDIT PROFILE DERIVED FROM ME SIZABLE ECONOMY, SUBSTANTIAL POPULATION GROWTH IS DRIVING DEVELOPMENT, BALANCE TO FINANCIAL OPERATIONS, HEALTHY RESERVES, AND RELATIVELY LOW DEBT AND PENSION NUMBERS TO CARRY BELOW DEBT FIXED COST. OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF POSITIVES TO YOUR CREDIT. IN THE END, WE DON'T THINK IT WILL HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE AAA CREDIT RATING. ONE THING I WILL ALSO MENTION, AS WE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SAFEGUARD YOURSELF -- AND IT IS NOT RELATED TO THIS FINANCING SPECIFICALLY, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TWO FAIRLY LARGE TRANSACTIONS THAT WE ISSUED IN 2015 THAT ARE GOING TO BE CALLABLE IN APRIL 2025. AND THEY ARE BOTH SECURED REVENUES . DESPITE WHAT HAPPENED TO TODAY, YOU WILL LIKELY SEE ME BACK BEFORE YOU SOMETIME LATER THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR FOR A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL LOWER MY EXISTING DEBTS SERVICE. I KNOW YOU ALL ARE ALWAYS INTERESTED IN BEING PROACTIVE TO SAVE MONEY, AND THAT IS EVERY FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT THE CURRENT WINDOW WILL OPEN UP ON JANUARY 1 WITH THE CALL DATE BEING APRIL OF 2025. WE WILL PROBABLY BE DOING SOME REFINANCING LATE THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR AS WELL. THAT IS JUST A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE MARKET. I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE MARKET AND I WILL PROBABLY TURN IT BACK OVER TO JESSE.

>> THANK YOU. CERTAINLY FOR THE COMMISSION, THERE ARE TWO

MOTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

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>> MR. DUNN, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE THINKING -- I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE IT CAN BUILD THEM SOONER AND NOT HAVE THEM COST AS MUCH TO BUILD THEM LATER. SO WE HAVE THE TAX HEARING AND THE MILITARY HEARING TODAY, AND I WAS WONDERING HOW THE GRANTS AND ALL THE REFINANCING -- WILL ANYTHING COME OUT OF THE BUDGET THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY?

>> NO, BECAUSE THESE HAVE BEEN PART OF DISCUSSIONS SINCE THE COMMISSION MOVED FORWARD WITH THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINANCING. THESE WILL BE COMPONENTS AS PART OF THE STORY LINE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THERE IS NO ADJUSTMENT

NECESSARY . >> BUT EVEN THE 7 MILLION FOR THE PARK AND THE SALARIES? YOU KNOW, THE $7 MILLION GRANT WE

JUST GOT. >> THAT WILL BE IN OFFSET -- THAT WILL BE A REVENUE OFFSET TO BUDGET. SO YES, THAT IS

TRUE. >> THE APPARATUS WILL COME OUT

OF THE BUDGET, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS WOULD

BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. >> MY OTHER QUESTION IS, PROPERTY TAXES HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THIS SO FAR RIGHT?

>> NO, NOT NECESSARILY . >> THE CONSULTANTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE PAID BY THE PUBLIC?

>> WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSITIONING TO CONSTRUCTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NOW OPENING UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING. GEORGE, 1820 PRAIRIE WOULD CIRCLE SOUTH , ST. JOHNS . I NOTICED A LOT OF YOU -- I KNOW YOU BEEN OUT TO THE FIELD. YIELD OF DREAMS IS KIND OF A SPECTACULAR PLACE TO HAVE. AS A FOUNDING FATHER, ONE OF FIVE, WE OPENED THIS FIELD IN 2011. WE HAD 41 KIDS. WE CHARGE $25 TO PLAY. TODAY -- LAST YEAR, WE HAVE 285 CHILDREN. WE PLAY BASEBALL WITH KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS, CONSTRUCTED WHEELCHAIRS AND BLIND CHILDREN, AND THEY PLAY BASED. THEY PLAY BASEBALL WITH THEIR BUDDIES, WITH LOCAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, AND IT'S A FANTASTIC PLACE.

WHENEVER YOU COME OUT, DON'T FORGET TO BRING YOUR OWN TISSUES AND NAPKINS, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THEM.

ALSO, EVERYBODY IS FREE AT FIELD OF DREAMS. IT COST $107 TO PUT A CHILD ON THE FIELD. WE CHARGE NOTHING. WE ALSO HAVE FREE CONCESSIONS. THAT'S ONLY THROUGH THE DONATIONS OF OUR SPONSORS AND ENDGAME FOLKS WHO SHOW UP. YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED, AND THAT IS A BATHROOM. THE REASON IS PRETTY SIMPLE. WE CAN'T HAVE THESE CHILDREN USING A PORT-A-POTTY. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. A LOT OF THESE CHILDREN COME TO US, THEY HAVE DIAPERS ON AND WE NEEDED CHANGING FACILITY. WE HAVE FAMILIES THAT SHOW UP AND HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND HAVE NO PLACE TO CHANGE. WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO USE BATHROOM FACILITIES ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL FOR OUR KIDS. SO THE PARENTS END UP TURNING AROUND. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND JUST QUICKLY. SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT WE RAISED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE PAID $70,000 TO RIP OUT THE ORIGINAL FIELD, AND THEN WE RAISE THE MONEY TO PUT NEW TURF ON THE FIELD. THEN WE RAISED $350,000 FOR THAT PLAYGROUND -- THE PLAYGROUND THAT WAS BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT. NONE OF MY KIDS ARE CHALLENGED LIKE THIS. MOST OF OUR COACHES, WE HAVE 12 TEAMS, 24 COACHES, MOST OF THE COACHES DON'T HAVE A KID IN THEIR LEAGUE. NOBODY GETS PAID HERE. THE UMPIRES DON'T GET PAID, THE COACHES DON'T GET PAID, EVERYTHING IS FREE OF FIELD OF DREAMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SHE HAS REALLY BEEN A

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SAVIOR FOR US. ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR, WE WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT EXPANSION DONE. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT.

BEAUTIFUL CONCESSION STAND, FOUR BATHROOMS. THIS IS GREAT.

WHAT I NEED IS A BATHROOM. THANK YOU. I KNOW MY TIME IS UP. PLEASE FUND IT AND PRIORITIZE IT. THANK YOU, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> I SUPPORT THE BOND ISSUE . I SUPPORT THE EFFORT TO REDUCE CHANGEOVERS. I AM FAMILIAR WITH CHANGE ORDERS . THE OWNERS GET RIPPED OFF. I HAVE BEEN BEFORE THIS WORD A NUMBER OF TIMES , AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HEARD EARLIER PROVIDES THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT. THEY SHAPE THE IDEA OF LIBRARIES IN OUR PARKS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. AND THE REGIONAL PARKS, SO WELL-DESIGNED AND SO WELL EXIT UNIT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU ALL OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN. THANK GOD FOR JOE BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. NOW, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK IN THE PAST, THEY WERE BEHIND WHO WANT TO TAKE OVER . AND PSM DIDN'T EVEN APPRECIATE , BUT HE WANTED THE RESERVES . THAT HAS TO BE SPENT ON MOSQUITO CONTROL. THE DATA IN 2008 WAS JUST WRONG. SO ANYWAY, I KNOW THEY HAVE WORKED ON THIS IN A FUTURE MEETING OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS END UP DOING FOR US. THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNISTIC MONEY GRABBING POWER GRAB. IN CONTRAST, THIS PROPOSAL, I LOVE IT. ARE ANY LOWER PROPERTY TAXES WANT TO BE TAKEN FOR IT? AND FACILITIES AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE COUNTY CAN PROVIDE. WHICH IS AN INDEPENDENT SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT. MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'M HONORED THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE. IT'S ABOUT TIME, AND YOU ALL ARE LISTENING. I LOVE YOUR SMILE WHEN THEY SAID NO TAX INCREASE.

>> DOUG RAMSEY, AREA DEVELOPER. WE ARE YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATION IN THE PAST. WE'VE BEEN PARTNERS WITH THE COUNTY FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. WE SERVICE ABOUT 2000 FAMILIES A YEAR , SOCCER, T-BALL, SOON TO BE VOLLEYBALL. I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS ON THE FIELD OF DREAMS. THE TEAMS VOLUNTEER OUT THERE. THEY NEED A BATHROOM. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE PARKS AND REC SYSTEM IS GREAT. THEY ARE VERY RESPONSIVE AND THE COUNTY IS ALWAYS WONDERFUL. WE ENJOY PLAYING OUT THERE. AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOPEFULLY SEE A PROGRAM THAT IS NOT SUPER COMPETITIVE . WE WANT TO HELP BUILD THE ASPECTS OF TEAM SPORTS. THERE'S A LOT OF

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PRESSURE ON THE FIELDS, PEOPLE DOWN THERE WITH OPPORTUNITY NOT JUST FROM ORGANIZED COMMITTEE AND PROGRAMS . WHEN THEY GET SHUT DOWN, NOBODY CAN USE THEM . IT IS FANTASTIC. I DON'T HAVE A LOT ELSE TO SAY. WHEN THIS COMES OUT, WE WILL SUPPORT IT, OBVIOUSLY. I GREW UP IN ST. JOHNS , NORTHEAST FLORIDA HERE.

HAVING KIDS AND PEOPLE IN THE OPEN IS A GREAT THING. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.

>> MICHAEL MCDONALD, WINDSWEPT ACRES. THE PRESENTATION WAS THOROUGH AS ALWAYS. VERY ELABORATE . MY FIRST THOUGHTS ARE, WHEN I THINK OF CMAR, I THINK OF COST PLUS . I THINK OF IT AS A COST PLUS PROJECT AND YOU GUYS WILL JUST BE CONSULTED -- I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH CONSULTING THERE. THERE'S $1 MILLION IN BENCH MONEY RUNNING AROUND. I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH CALL FOR CONSULTATION THERE. SO YES, I THINK THAT IS OPENING OURSELVES UP FOR GIVING WHAT WE WANT -- WERE GIVING WHAT THEY WANT FOR THE PRICE. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET VALUE ENGINEERING, NOT QUALITY CRAFTSMANSHIP IS GOING TO BE SPREAD ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY WITH A GUARANTEED PRICE.

BECAUSE IT SAYS UP TO -- UP TO THIS, UP TO THAT. THAT MEANS HE CAN TAKE OUT THIS, WE CAN KNOCK OUT THAT, WE CAN STOP DOING THAT THERE BECAUSE THEY GOT , YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO STAND BY IT. HOW WAS I GOING TO BE DONE? IT'S REALLY NOT WORTH THE MONEY. AND IF THIS GENTLEMAN HAS GOT EXAMPLES OF WHERE HE HAS CONSULTED WITH THEM AND DELIBERATED, THERE SHOULD BE AMPLE RECORDS OF THAT , WHERE THEY ARE TRIED TO PASS SOME OF THE COST SAVINGS AND WHERE IT WOULD BE PRESENTABLE TO OUR DIRECTOR. IN MY NEXT THOUGHT IS, WHAT IS A REOCCURRING COST FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEAUTIFULLY BUILT AND BEAUTIFULLY MAINTAINED? WHAT DOES THAT COST OUR TAXPAYERS EVERY YEAR? HAS ANYBODY PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE? BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OUT OF OUR TAXES. HOW DO WE DEFER -- HOW DO WE DECIDE MAINTENANCE ON THESE FOUR PARTS? THEIR SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS GOING IN THERE, THE WAY TO DELIBERATE THAT IS GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE. SO OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS BEING BUILT. EVERYTHING IS NEEDED, BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS SO HIGH BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY IN FRONT OF ALL THESE COMMUNITIES. WERE GOING TO NEED AMPLE DENSITY TO CONTINUE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND THE PARKS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. THEY ARE ALL BUILDABLE PARCELS. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, IF YOU GUYS CAN PUT IT IN NUMBERED PERSPECTIVES OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO US.

I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW.

>> I CAN WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT IF IT'S MANAGED PROPERLY --

>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS BOARD PUTTING IT FORWARD FOR PUBLIC OPINION.

>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. ERIC SMITH. WE'VE HAD TREMENDOUS GROWTH , AND THESE KIDS NEED PLACES TO GO. I THINK THIS IS A

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GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE COUNTY GET THE CHILDREN MORE

AREA TO GO OUTSIDE. THANKS. >> YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN GEORGE BUSH WAS GETTING ELECTED, READ MY LIPS -- NO NEW TAXES. AND YES. 2022 , THE SURTAX DID NOT PASS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO PAY THE EXTRA TAXES, BUT IT WAS THE SAME KIND OF STRUCTURE WITH PARKS AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS , THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IN SEEING THE TIMELINE , THE PROGRAMMING STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, SO IT WAS ALREADY GETTING STARTED . IT WAS ALREADY LIKE A PLAN B TO MAKE SURE IF IT DOESN'T PASS IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 THAT WE HAVE A BACKFILLED PLAN. A.B.

PLAN, A PLAN B SO THAT WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND START PLANNING TO EXTEND IT AND GET THE MONEY IN SOME OTHER WAYS .

BUT FROM THAT, I FOUND THIS PICTURE HERE. ON OCTOBER 10TH 2022, THAT WAS THE STATEMENT THAT CAME OUT IN THE ARTICLE THAT CAME, AND THERE IS NO PLAN B IF SURTAX FAILS. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE PROGRAM STARTED IN SEPTEMBER 2022 , WHEN WAS THE PLAN B STARTED? I KNOW THIS IS STILL GOING ON, BECAUSE OF THE 7% INCREASE IN THE FLAT TAX RATE. SO IT IS TAXES THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR. AND IT ALSO SHOWS HOW THE COMMUNITY IS CONFUSED ON NOT WANTING TO PASS THE SURTAX, BUT NOW THEY WANT THESE TAXES TO PAY FOR THE SAME THING. IT'S CONFUSING ON THE COMMUNITIES PART, AND HOW PLAN B WENT HIM OCTOBER OF 2022 BUT THE PLANNING BEGAN IN SEPTEMBER. I HAVE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE IT HAS BEEN FOR YOUR EARS ONLY TYPE OF SITUATION, SO THIS IS SHOWING WHERE THE COUNTY IS GOING, PLAN B. BUT LET'S LIKE TO THE COMMON PEOPLE AND THEN TELL THEM LATER, YEAH, WE HAD A PLAN B.

>> IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UP THERE ABOUT THE FUTURE EXPANSION OF MILLCREEK PARK. BECAUSE PICKLEBALL, THE TENNIS COURTS WERE TAKEN AWAY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UP THERE SAYING THAT WAS COMING OUT OF FUNDING. AS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, IS THE

EXPANSION. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WANT TO REQUOTE A GREAT PHILOSOPHER WHEN HE SAYS THE ONE WHO PLANTS CHEESE TREES KNOWING HE WILL NEVER SEE THE SHADE IS ON THE RIGHT PATH. FOR PARKS, LIBRARIES -- THESE ARE COMMUNITY CENTERS . FOR THAT LOUD AND CLEAR OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. TO MEET THE NEEDS, TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THIS COUNTY, IT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY, VERY PROUD OF . THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR YOUR HARD WORK. THIS IS A CREATIVE

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SOLUTION. TO FIND YOUR POINT ABOUT CUTTING COSTS, TO VALUE ENGINEERING, IT DEALT WITH OUR YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUES AND GOT FEEDBACK FOR YEARS TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION TO OUR CHALLENGES ARE, AND I THINK WE SEEN THAT. I THINK YOU ARE EVEN GOING TO FIND A WAY ONCE THESE PARKS ARE OPEN BY THE END OF 2026 TO MAKE THE PICKLEBALL LOBBY HAPPY, WHICH IS A CHALLENGING ENDEAVOR. IT IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. WE ARE USING DEVELOPMENT . WE ARE USING TOURIST TAX DOLLARS AND, YES, SOME STATE REMITTED DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THIS. NO PROPERTY TAX IS GOING INTO THIS TREMENDOUS PUBLIC AND IF IT. THE SALES TAX WOULD HAVE BROUGHT US $500 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS . THIS IS BRINGING US 120 MILLION DOLLARS. SO I STAND BY MY COMMENT THAT THERE -- THAT'S WHAT WE STILL HAVE $267 MILLION IN TRANSPORTATION NEEDS THAT ARE UNMET, UNFUNDED. THERE'S NO FUNDING IDENTIFIED. THAT'S WHY WE STILL HAVE $130 MILLION. INCLUDING THE SHERIFF, INCLUDING THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. THEY HAVE CAPITAL NEEDS THAT WE HAVE NO FUNDING IDENTIFIED FOR. SO COURSE, THE SALES TAX WOULD'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT, BUT IT DIDN'T PASS, AND PEOPLE HAVE EVERY RIGHT FOR OR AGAINST THAT. THERE IS NO PLAN B TO MEET THE $500 MILLION INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. BUT THIS, TODAY, PARKS, LIBRARIES, PUBLIC SAFETY, I'M SURE WE SQUEEZED THIS MUCH PUBLIC BENEFIT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF IT.

>> GOT TO ASK RYAN SOMETHING. EVERYBODY IS THINKING IT. RYAN.

CAN WE GET AN 88 PORT-A-POTTY OVER TO THE FIELD OF DREAMS BEFORE WE EVEN START BUILDING ? JUST SOMETHING FOR THEM? I KNOW

EVERYONE IS THINKING IT. >> WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST HAD TO ASK. OKAY. ANY FURTHER

COMMENTS? >> JUST TO NOTE, THERE ARE TWO

MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR. >> OKAY.

>> WERE TO MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 -- AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S RUSSELL OBLIGATION REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2024 PAY IN AN AGGREGATE SENSIBLE AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING MORE THAN $120 MILLION TO FUND REGIONAL PARKS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND AUTHORIZING ALL NECESSARY APPROPRIATIONS.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT PASSES

UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. >> THE SECOND MOTION, WE MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PRESENT A

[3. Presentation of the Draft County Strategic Plan. At the February 7, 2023, BCC Meeting, County Administration received approval from the Board to procure a consultant for the development of a countywide strategic plan. The County issued a competitive RFP in March 2023, and subsequently entered into a contract with BerryDunn, the top-ranked respondent. Following extensive community and stakeholder engagement, representatives from BerryDunn will present the draft strategic plan for Board discussion and consideration. (Part 1 of 2)]

FINANCING PACKAGE FOR ACQUISITION OF FIRE RESCUE

APPARATUS. >> MOTION IN A SECOND. THAT ALSO PASSES. OKAY. THAT WILL TAKE US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

>> GOOD MORNING. MICHELLE KENNEDY , MANAGER IN BERRYDUNN'S LOCAL PRACTICE GROUP. IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. I THINK IT WAS EARLY MAY WHEN WE ALL GOT TOGETHER TO WORK WITH YOU ON BUILDING THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO WE ARE NOW BACK TO SHARE A DRAFT WITH YOU. I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT A BEST PRACTICE IT IS FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN. THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION GIVES DISTINGUISHED BUDGET AWARDS TO THOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN. SO WE FOLLOWED THEIR BEST PRACTICE CRITERIA IN HOPES THAT IF YOU WANT TO APPLY FOR THAT REWARD, YOU WILL DEFINITELY MEET THAT CRITERIA.

SO REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY. JUST A QUICK NOTE ABOUT

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OUR BERRYDUNN TEAM . WE HAVE SIX CONSULTING TEAM MEMBERS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. I SERVED AS PROJECT MANAGER, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION, BUT ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUALS PLAYED KEY ROLES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. IT'S BEEN ABOUT 10 MONTHS SINCE WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING THE STRATEGIC PLAN. JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THOSE WORKERS ON OUR TEAM. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS. SO YOU ALL APPROVED GOING FORWARD A PROFESSED PROPOSAL THAT COMPLETED THIS BACK IN 2023, AND WE STARTED OUR PLANS WITH THE COUNTY IN FALL OF LAST YEAR. LAYING OUT THAT APPROACH CUSTOMIZED FOR YOUR NEEDS. WE REALLY STARTED IN EARNEST IN THE EARLY PART OF THIS YEAR WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORT THAT WE ALSO COORDINATED AND COLLABORATED WITH THE VENDOR THAT IS OVERSEEING AND YOUR PROCESS. IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THEM TO HAVE A MUCH MORE ROBUST DATA SET , WHICH WE USED AND SHARED WITH YOU IN YOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT SESSION. SO WE SPENT THREE MONTHS GATHERING THAT COMMUNITY INPUT, WHICH INCLUDED A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY, WHICH PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN DETERMINING WHAT THIS PLAN AND IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER MOVED INTO ACTUAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND NOW WE ARE TRYING TO FINALIZE THE DRAFT PLAN SO THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO IMPLEMENTATION, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MAKES A STRATEGIC PLAN SUCCESSFUL. IT CANNOT SIT ON THE SHELF WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPANION IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. SO YOU GOT TO MOVE FORWARD AND FOCUS ON THOSE PRIORITIES. SO JUST CLARITY ABOUT WHAT A STRATEGIC PLAN IS. IT IS A DOCUMENT THAT CONVEYS WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO . WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO PRIORITIZE. IT DOES NOT GET INTO THE HOW, AND THAT WOULD BE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. SO DETAILED ACTIONS AND WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES WOULD BE ASSIGNED, STAFF RESOURCES OR SOME OTHER KIND OF RESOURCE THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO A PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. IT IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. IT IS TO BE USED TO GUIDE YOU DECISION-MAKING. THEY ARE ALLIED WITH THE ORGANIZATION'S BUDGET. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN CAN ALIGN WITH YOUR BUDGET CYCLE SO THAT IT ACTUALLY GETS IMPLEMENTED. AND THEN IN MY MIND, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IT IS A TOOL FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THIS PLAN WILL HAVE PERFORMANCE MEASURES ATTACHED TO IT. WE SPENT A CONSIDERABLE TIME WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT STAFF TO CREATE THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES. THOSE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY ON A DASHBOARD ONLINE SO IT IS FULLY TRANSPARENT IN TERMS OF WHERE THE COUNTY IS IMPLEMENTING THE DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES IN THIS PLAN. IT IS A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS A WAY TO HOLD YOU AS AN ELECTED BODY ACCOUNTABLE. SO HOW WE BUILT THE PLAN, WE REALLY STARTED WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE PUT THEM AT THE TOP OF THE. THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO KNOW WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE? THE BUSINESSES THAT DO BUSINESS HERE? AND SO WE SPENT THAT FIRST CHUNK OF TIME GETTING ROBUST COMMUNITY INPUT AND WENT TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT CHANNELS FOR THAT , VIRTUAL CHANNELS, STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEYS. A LOT OF DATA THAT WE PULLED IN TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. WE MET WITH YOU, FIRST, AS A COUNTY GROUP, TO PRESENT ALL OF THAT DATA SO THAT YOU COULD BE VISIONARY AND THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTY, THE COUNTY OF GOVERNMENT, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE WORKED WITH YOU TO SET THAT HIGH LEVEL STRATEGY.

AND THEN WE TOOK YOUR HIGH LEVEL STRATEGY AND WE WORKED WITH DEPARTMENT LEADERS AND STAFF TO REALLY FLESH ALL OF THAT OUT, TO DEVELOP SOME SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES, TO DEVELOP THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES. AND AGAIN, AFTER TODAY, WE ARE DEVELOPING THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. SO THE ELEMENTS OF A STRATEGIC PLAN, THIS COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE BEST PRACTICE ELEMENTS THAT SHOULD BE IN A STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU NEED TO HAVE A VISION STATEMENT THAT CONTAINS YOUR PURPOSE AS A

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COUNTY GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION , WHAT YOU ARE TO DO. A VISION STATEMENT THAT IN THIS CASE COMES OUT FIVE YEARS , WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE? AND USUALLY, VISION STATEMENTS ARE LONGER THAN FIVE YEARS. THEY ARE USUALLY A BROAD SORT OF IDEAL STATE THEY ARE TRYING TO FINISH. IT HAS A SET OF STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. IN YOUR CASE, THERE ARE SIX. A GOAL STATEMENT FOR EACH OF THOSE PRIORITY AREAS, AND THEN UNDERNEATH EACH PRIORITY, A SERIES OF OBJECTIVES AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES. SO WE ALWAYS GET THIS QUESTION, AND IN YOUR CASE, IT IS THE CASE OFTEN TIMES WHEN WE EMBARK ON THESE PROJECTS OF THERE'S A CONFERENCE OF PLANNING PROJECTS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME AS THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.

A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS AS YOU KNOW IS A VERY LONG-TERM. IT'S A LOOK INTO HOW YOU WANT TO BUILD OUT YOUR COMMUNITY OR WHAT YOU WANT TO PRESERVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU WANT TO CREATE TO SUPPORT ALL OF THAT. A STRATEGIC PLAN IS A SHORTER-TERM , USUALLY THREE TO FIVE YEARS, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMUNITY, THE ENVIRONMENT. IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT GOVERNMENT AND WHO IS OPERATING IN IT AND AS AN ORGANIZATION. AND IT IS THAT SHORTER CYCLE OF LOOKING UP THREE TO FIVE YEARS. WHAT IS REALLY GREAT IS WHAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS STARTED, YOU CAN USE THE ROLLING CYCLE OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO HELP YOU IMPLEMENT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAKING SURE YOUR STING CURRENT -- THAT THE SHORT-TERM OBJECTIVES THAT ARE TRYING TO CARRY OUT LONG-TERM STRATEGIES. SO THE HIGH ELEMENTS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS IN DETAIL, AND IT STARTS WITH A MISSION. WHEN WE DO WHAT WE DO? WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE FOR EXISTING IS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT? THE VISION. WERE YOU GOING? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY? WHAT IS THE IDEAL STATE WHEN EVERYBODY LIVES HERE IT WORKS HERE AND HAS BUSINESS HERE TO VARIANCE? THEY CONVEY HOW THE ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO GO ABOUT. HOW WOULD YOU EXPECT COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO SHOW UP FOR WORK AND DELIVER SERVICE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY? AND THEN A HANDFUL OF STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THAT FOCUS AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP YOU ACHIEVE THAT LONG-TERM VISION IN YOUR PLAN. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WORKED ON WITH YOU IN DEPTH IN OUR MAY SESSION WITH YOU. SO WHAT WERE THE SOURCES THAT INFORMED THE STRATEGIC PLAN ? I ALLUDED TO THESE. WE USED EVERY SORT OF DATA-GATHERING RESOURCE WE COULD TO COME UP WITH THE MOST ROBUST SET OF DATA. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT DATA BE QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE.

SO WE HAVE QUALITATIVE DATA THROUGH SURVEY AND QUANTITATIVE DATA THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD. GROUP INTERVIEWS, ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS, SIX COMMUNITY FORUMS THAT WERE ATTENDED BY ABOUT 325 PEOPLE , AND THEN ALL OF THE DATA IN DIFFERENT SOURCES THAT AS CONSULTANTS WE PULL FROM, PUTTING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER INTO AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCAN THAT WE USED TO INFORM THIS PROCESS. SO WE ARE GOING TO START HERE GOING TO THE ELEMENTS OF A STRATEGIC PLAN, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS AS YOU SEE THIS DATA AND THIS INFORMATION, AND ALSO, LOOKING FOR SOME GENERAL CONVERSATION AS WELL. I WILL GO THROUGH A COMPONENT BY COMPONENT, POSIT LITTLE BIT, GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO OFFER THOUGHTS, AND WE CAN ALSO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AT THE END. EVERYTHING OKAY SO FAR? OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING THEN. SO THE MISSION STATEMENT IS YOUR STATEMENT OF PURPOSE. ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL NOTE IS THAT OFTEN TIMES AS WE LOOK AT LOCAL MISSION STATEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S FOR A CITY OR COUNTY GOVERNMENT, DOING THIS STRATEGIC PLANTING FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW, I CAN TELL YOU THEY ALL LOOK SOMEWHAT HUMBLER. AND THE REASON WHY IS IT COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ARE TYPICALLY CHARGED FOR DOING THE SAME THINGS. THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCES BASED ON THE STATE, CERTAIN COUNTIES THAT EMPHASIZE SOMETHING MORE THAN THE EMPHASIZE OTHERS, BUT IN GENERAL, COUNTY GOVERNMENTS DO THE SAME THINGS. AND SO YOU WILL SEE THE MISSION STATEMENT. WE DO TRY TO CAPTURE SOMEWHAT WHAT MAKES ST. JOHNS COUNTY NEEDS, AND A LOT OF THAT IS A HISTORICAL PIECES . I'M SURE A LOT OF THEM SHOW UP IN YOUR MISSION STATEMENT. IT'S MAINLY ABOUT GOVERNMENT TRYING TO

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DELIVER HIGH-QUALITY SERVICES AND TO DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP IN THE REGION. SO YOUR VISION STATEMENT IS THAT IDEAL STATE YOU WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS. I REALLY TRY TO TAKE YOUR DESCRIPTORS AS WELL AS DESCRIPTORS WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS WOULD BE AN INVITING PLACE TO LIVE.

AND THE WORD CLASSES CAREFULLY CHOSEN, BECAUSE PEOPLE , RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, BELIEVE IT IS A CLASSIFICATION.

WITH ALL THE CULTURAL AMENITIES YOU HAVE IN THE OUTDOORS .

SINCE, RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, IT'S JUST A SHEER BEAUTY IN THIS PLACE. TO SAY, SOME OF THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE. PART OF THE MISSION STATEMENT INCLUDES, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SUSTAIN AND KEEP AND VALUE? COMMENTS, THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRAFT ADDITION AND STATEMENTS?

>> I WILL BELABOR YOU AND TELLING YOU HOW MANY ITERATIONS OF THESE TREATMENTS WE WENT THROUGH TO GET THEM TO WHERE THEY ARE. I WAS TRACKING BACK AND PREPARING TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO LOOK AT ALL THE BRAINSTORMING YOU DID, TO REMEMBER ALL THOSE COLORED STICKIES THAT WE HAD UP. I WAS LOOKING BACK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, YOUR WORDS SHOWED UP HERE. I'M GOING TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD, UNLESS YOU TELL ME TO SLOW DOWN. SO THESE ARE THE VALUES, THE ORGANIZATIONAL VALUES. THE FIRST ONE AROUND DEDICATION IS, THAT'S THE WORKFORCE OF THE COUNTY BEING REALLY COMMITTED TO DELIVERING HIGH QUALITY SERVICE AND DELIVERY MATCHA SERVICE, BUT RESULTS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO BE MEETING THE DIVERSITY NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS AS I DID QUITE A COMPREHENSIVE TOUR WITH STAFF AND REALLY GOT TO SEE THAT THERE ARE DISTINCT REGIONS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT'S NOT JUST THIS HOMOGENOUS PLACE. AT THE DEDICATION OF STAFF TO TRY TO BALANCE THOSE DISTINCTIVE AREAS OF THE COUNTY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THE IDEA OF OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY. SO BUILDING AND FOSTERING TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY, BEING ADOPTABLE, BEING ABLE TO INNOVATE, BEING RESILIENT. SOMETHING THAT STAFF AND YOU FELT WAS IMPORTANT.

VISIONARY. WANTING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD THINKING ON MAKING SOLUTIONS. FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS OBVIOUSLY VERY HIGH VALUE. INTEGRITY. SO THAT IDEA OF DELIVERING ON THE PROMISES YOU MAKE TO THE COMMUNITY , AND THEN FINALLY, HUMILITY. THIS IS ABOUT APPROACHING THINGS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR THE LAST AGENDA TOPIC AND LISTEN TO THE HISTORY OF THAT, THE BACKGROUND. ALL RIGHT. YOUR SIX PRIORITY AREAS.

IT RANGES IN MOST STRATEGIC PLANS FROM THREE PRIORITIES TO SIX. AND YOU HAVE FIVE OF THOSE PRIORITIES THAT ARE VERY OUTWARD FACING OR INWARD FACING INTO THE ORGANIZATION. SO THE SIX PRIORITY AREAS EACH HAVE A GOAL STATEMENT CONNECTED TO THEM. THAT IS THE OUTCOME THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO ACHIEVE BY FOCUSING ON COMMUNITY TRUST. SO THIS IS ABOUT ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY, IT'S ABOUT PARTICIPATION, AND HOW THERE CAN BE A BOND BETWEEN THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS AND LIVING AND WORKING IN THIS COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO LIVE A HEALTHY LIFE OUT HERE. PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH BEING ABLE TO RECREATE AND BEING ABLE TO -- TO BE ACTIVE. IT'S ABOUT BEING ABLE TO FOSTER PEOPLE'S PHYSICAL AND MENTAL WELL-BEING, BUT ALSO THEIR CONNECTIVITY.

THE FEELING OF BELONGING, NEIGHBORLINESS, UNABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN COMMUNITY LIFE. ENHANCING CONSERVATION. THIS DID NOT SURPRISE ME , RISINGS OF THE TOP GIVEN THE KIND OF PLACE THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS IN THE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT

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YOU HAVE HERE . CONSERVATION RISING TO THE TOP. PRETTY MUCH EVERY CONVERSATION WE HAD HAVE A CERTAIN PHASE IN THE DATA SEEMED NORMAL EVEN AS AN OUTSIDER TO THIS PLACE.

ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. AGAIN, OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE HERE. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOWED UP IN THE VISION STATEMENT WHICH POINTED TO THIS AS A STRATEGIC PRIORITY , TRYING TO DIVERSIFY YOUR TAX BASE, AND HAVING A SPEED PLACE WHERE BUSINESSES CAN START UP, GROW, AND THRIVE.

INFRASTRUCTURE CAME OUT LOUD AND CLEAR. THAT WAS IN THE TOP LINE OF THE RARITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE SURVEY. I KNOW WE CAME THROUGH IN A LOT OF THE DATA THAT IS COMING THROUGH THE HELP YOU WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . HE WILL SEE OBJECTIVES AROUND THAT, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT IS MORE INTERNALLY FOCUSED. YOU COULD DO ANY OF THESE 5 THINGS WELL IF YOU HAVE GREAT RAPPORT WITH THE COUNTY AND WERE WELL TRAINED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE AND COLLABORATIVE AND YOU DO ALL OF THE OTHER OBJECTIVES THAT ARE UNDER THE FIVE PRIORITIES.

THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THE SIX PRIORITY AREAS OF FOCUS? NO? OKAY. NOW WE WILL GO INTO THEM ONE BY ONE. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THESE VICTIMS ARE INTENTIONALLY FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL. THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR PLAN. HE WANT THIS TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE STAFF COME BEFORE YOU EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO MASSAGE THE OBJECTIVES. WHAT YOU WANT IS TO KNOW WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS THESE THINGS AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT YOUR MAKE PROGRESS. THOSE ARE OBJECTIVE MEASURES. THEY WILL BE PART OF THE DASHBOARD THAT YOU WILL SEE AND THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, IT WILL BE ALL OF THE DETAILS FOR EACH OF THESE OBJECTIVES BUT SAY, HOW IS THE COUNTY GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND EXIT YOU AND ACHIEVE THAT OBJECTIVE OVER THE FIVE-YEAR CYCLE. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT GIVING THE COMMUNITY MORE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN DECISION-MAKING, CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY TRYING TO EXPAND COMMUNITY INPUT, PROMOTING MORE AWARENESS, IT'S GOVERNMENTS, IT'S ACTIVITIES, SO THE COMMUNITY CAN FEEL A PART OF IT. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE ACCURATE INFORMATION IS DELIVERED TO THE COMMUNITY. IS A BIG EMPHASIS ON TRANSPARENCY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THAT TEAM AS PART OF THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND THE ABILITY TO TRACK PROGRESS IS TRANSPARENT. THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE TO SUPPORT.

VOLUNTEERISM IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT .

SO THOSE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES TO GET CITIZENS WARM, SO THEY HAVE THAT FEELING OF ABILITY TO DIRECTLY IMPACT YOUR COMPANY IN THE COMMUNITY. STRONG EMPHASIS, AS YOU KNOW, ON PUBLIC SAFETY. REALLY WANTING TO PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THAT THEY CAN ACCESS MORE INFORMATION IN THEIR COMMUNITY. SO IT'S ABOUT ALL THOSE CRITICAL ISSUES ABOUT JUST -- ALL THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ACCESS TO THOSE THINGS AND KNOWING THAT THEY ARE THERE GIVES ME TRUST IN MY COMMUNITY. SO FOR WELL-BEING, THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO LIVE HEALTHY AND ACTIVE LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE ALREADY FOCUSED ON THIS, AND THIS IS -- THE LAST AGENDA ITEM WAS REALLY ENHANCING THOSE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ACCESS TO. CREATING MORE AMENITIES, MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR NOT ONLY SOCIAL ACTIVITY, BUT CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. YOU DON'T DO THAT ALONE, SO THE NEXT OBJECTIVE IS AROUND COMMITTEE PARTNERSHIPS AND REALLY TRYING TO ENHANCE THE HUMAN AND SOCIAL SERVICES BY NOT ADDING EVERYTHING TO WITH THE COUNTY DOES, BUT LEVERAGING WITH THE COUNTY ALREADY DOES. ANIMAL CONTROL IS ALSO A PART OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT, AND SO THIS IS ABOUT SUPPORTING THE PET OWNERS

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IN THIS COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND HAVE THEIR PETS BE HEALTHY FOCUSING SOME CAPITAL INVESTMENTS ON YOUR CONNECTIVITY. THAT IS YOUR PATHWAYS, YOUR TRAIL SYSTEM, THAT WILL ALLOW YOU -- STRONG EMPHASIS ON ARTS AND CULTURE.

YOU ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THAT PROGRAMMING IN PLACE. THIS IS TALKING ABOUT CONTINUING THAT. AND AGAIN, MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ENHANCE SAFETY. NOT JUST ENHANCING SAFETY IN SOMETHING, BUT ENHANCING THE FEELING OF SAFETY, WHICH IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS WHATEVER THE RAW DATA WOULD SHOW. DO I FEEL SAFE AND RE- DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT .

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROVIDERS IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CAREER DEVELOPMENT. COPPER HAS A TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.

WELLNESS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, SO MAKING SURE THAT THE SAFETY FORCES WILL MAINTAINED SO THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN THAT PLAY VALUE THAT THEY HAVE AROUND SAFETY. THIS IS ONE OF THE TOP FIVE THE CAME THROUGH IN THIS DISTRICT. IS THIS ATTAINABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE HERE? SO SOME THINKING AND SOME PRIORITY AROUND, HOW DO WE CREATE SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? ENHANCING CONSERVATION. THERE WAS A BIG THEME IN THIS ONE. GATHER MORE OF OUR SOURCES TO SUPPORT LAND CONSERVATION AN EFFORT TO GRANTS AND DONATIONS AND PHILANTHROPIC INVESTMENT REALLY UNDERSTAND THE COMPANY'S CONSERVATION EFFORTS. I REALLY WANTED TO BRING AND LEVERAGE MORE FUNDING SOURCES TO DO THAT. OUTDOOR RECREATION, THAT'S A THING, I ROUTE THROUGH IT. WHETHER ORGANIZED, PARKS AND RECREATION, JUST TRAILS AND NATURAL AREAS, IS 95% OF IT. SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IS ANOTHER ONE THAT COMES TO LIVE IN CLEAR. YOU'R ALSO READY FOR NATURAL DISASTERS . THE FLOODING, THE THINGS YOU ARE DOING WITH THERE. YOU ALREADY DOING THAT. THIS IS EXPANDING IT, DOING MORE OF IT. IN THIS IDEA THAT THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL LANDS HERE THAT ARE VALUABLE , AND AGRICULTURE BEING PART OF THE ECONOMY HERE -- IF OWNERS OF THOSE LANDS WANT TO SELL THEM, HOW DO WE CONVERT THOSE LANDS IN A WAY THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES ANYMORE? YOU WANT TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE TRANSITION THAT. AND THEN PROTECTING THOSE PERPETUAL AND HISTORICAL RESOURCES THAT ARE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY SO THAT IT MAINTAINS ITS CHARACTER , WHICH IS A VERY STRONG THREAT THAT WE HAVE ALSO HEARD HERE WE HAVE SOME INCENTIVE PROGRAMS OF THE TARGETED POSTERS. A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE. HER SUZANNE GENESIS IDEAS THAT TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT ECOSYSTEMS . REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT ATTRACTING REGIONAL BUSINESSES SUITABLE HERE FOR YOU. GOOD CALL ABOUT WHAT MAKES THIS PLACE AN ATTRACTIVE, BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE. THOSE TYPES OF INDUSTRIES AND SECTORS THAT MATCH WHAT THE CHARACTER OF THIS PLACE IS. AND CONTINUE

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TO EXPAND THE LOCAL ECONOMY. TRYING TO SUSTAIN THE BUSINESS SECTOR HERE AS PART OF ECONOMIC BASE. WE WORK WITH THAT? ON THAT ECOSYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE HERE. THIS IS A NATURAL PLACE FOR STARTUPS, FOR ENTREPRENEURIAL TYPES OF BUSINESSES. WHO CAN MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS CAN MOVE FORWARD AS WELL AS THE TRAINING AND SUPPORT TECHNICAL SERVICES. THE OTHER BIG EXPANSION GOING ON, AND JUST FROM DRIVING AROUND THE WHOLE COUNTY, LOTS OF ROAD EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES. I CAN SEE HOW FOLKS HERE THAT IT LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME HAS SEEN THE BREATH OF THAT TRAFFIC CONGESTION , ALTHOUGH IN COMPARISON TO SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, IT IS NOT AS BAD HERE. BUT IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS YOU ARE GROWING, TO SEE IF YOU CAN MANAGE IT WELL. BUT ALSO HERE CONTINUED MITIGATION. HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE AS YOU GROW AND PUT THINGS ONLINE THAT YOU ARE MAINTAINING THE SERVICE LEVELS AND NOT DROPPING SERVICE LEVELS OF THE CRITICAL AREAS. WATER AND SEWER. THE NEXT ONE THERE, STORM WATER, MAKING SURE THAT THE COUNTY HAS A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY. AND SO COULD BE DONE BETTER, WILL CAN MAKE THEIR WORKPLACE BETTER, CAN MAKE THE SERVICE DELIVERY BETTER, WHAT COULD MAKE THE RESULTS TO THE COMMUNITY BETTER? YOU ARE MODERNIZING YOUR TECHNOLOGY. YOU ARE ALREADY ON THE WAY TO DOING THAT. I AM CONTINUING TO LEVERAGE MINE , SO I COULD CREATE EFFICIENCY AND OPERATIONS, AND USUALLY ALSO MAKES INFORMATION MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC IN THE ASSETS. DEVELOPING MORE STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN COUNTY DEPARTMENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF COLLABORATION THAT GOES ON, BUT HOW DO YOU BRIDGE THOSE TWO? THE GOALS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN TRULY FOCUSED ON INVITING YOUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. THE BEST THEY CAN FOR ALL OF THOSE CRITICAL FUNCTIONS. THE COUNTY COMBINES AND IS CONTINUING TO INVEST IN THOSE HUMAN RESOURCES, ONE OF WHICH IS EMPLOYEE RETENTION. SO IT IS A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THE COUNTY IF YOU HIRE SOMEONE, AND THAT PERSON SO YOU DON'T LOSE THAT INVESTMENT AND YOUR

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CONTINUITY. AND THEN THE STREAMLINING OF THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS, THIS IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM. IT HAS PROVEN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR. HOW DO YOU KEEP THAT ROBUST INFLUX OF TALENT? HOW DO YOU MOVE THAT PROCESS ON SO THAT YOU REALLY WANT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA OR EVEN IN THIS REGION, IF I MAY PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEE, THAT'S A PLACE I WANT TO GO TO WORK. SO THAT IS THE STRATEGIC PLAN DRAFT.

THOUGHTS FROM YOU ALL, QUESTIONS? ANYTHING WHERE I CAN ELABORATE ON ANY OF THE PRIORITIES? MARK

>> THINK YOU, MS. KENNEDY. I WENT WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS ASKED QUESTIONS. THIS ALSO AN ITEM WE HAVE TO DO 30 MINUTES OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL MOVE BACK TO YOUR ITEM. I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> IF YOU WANT TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL JUST SAVE MINE.

>> OKAY. SORRY FOLKS. OKAY. THIS WAS A LOT OF WORD SALAD. I MET WITH YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT CLEARCUTTING, BUFFERING, TRANSPARENT THE, WE HAVE NOW TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS . A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR THEM HAVE THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT -- BUT THERE'S NO OTHER SPECIFIC THING IN HERE. THE THOUGHTFUL CONVERSION OF NON-AGRICULTURAL USES GARY, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, INCLUDING WHEN I WAS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS TOGETHER. SO I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS ISN'T GOING THE DIRECTION HE NEEDS TO GO . SORRY, THAT'S MY COMMENT.

>> THINK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. REGARDING THE BOARD MEMBERS, IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO BE IN THIS POSITION WERE WE GOT A DRAFT PLAN AND THERE'S A CHANGEOVER.

AND SO BERRYDUNN TOLD THE STAFF, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THOSE NEW BOARD MEMBERS AND WALKED INTO THE DRAFT DOCUMENT AND HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS.

>> I WOULD LOVE THAT. TAKE YOU SO MUCH.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. AND JUST IN RESPONSE TO A FEW OF THE MORE SPECIFIC COMMENTS, WE TRY TO HONOR THE WORK THAT YOU DID TOGETHER AS A BODY, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, WHAT DO WE DO IF SOMEONE OWNS LAND AND THEY WANT TO SELL IT. HOW DO WE -- WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS AGRICULTURAL LAND? YES. BUT I THINK THAT ONE OBJECTIVE RELATED TO THAT , WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE HIGHER-LEVEL OBJECTIVES, IT WILL BE SPECIFIC ACTIONS . AND SO WE REALLY NEED YOUR SORT OF APPROVAL, IF YOU WILL, WHAT IS HERE AND THE WHAT. SO WE DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IMPLEMENTATION FIGHTING FOR THINGS THE COUNTY BOARD WOULDN'T SUPPORT. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT AND SEE THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH I THINK WILL ADD A GREATER LAYER OF DETAIL THAT I THINK YOU WILL

APPRECIATE. >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS. IDENTIFYING PRIORITIES, MEETING WITH COUNTY STAFF. BUT I DID WANT TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE , YOU KNOW, THE SHORTER SIDE. WE HAVE A CONFERENCE A PLAN, IT IS A 25 YOUR OUTLOOK, AND WE HAVE THIS. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A SHORTER OUTLET -- THE SHORTER OUTLOOK OF A CYCLE LIKE THAT IS BASED OFF OF COMMISSIONS CHANGING AND GOVERNMENTS CHANGING ?

>> THE SHORTER CYCLE, A STRATEGIC PLAN IS REALLY MEANT TO HELP YOU SORT OF MANAGE THROUGH AND MOVE THROUGH CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP. THEY COULD BE CHANGES AT THE STAFF

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LEVEL, IT COULD BE CHANGES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS SO THAT YOU HAVE SOME CONTINUITY AS THERE ARE CHANGEOVERS. BUT IT'S A SHORT ENOUGH CYCLE THAT, LET'S SEE WHAT A COMPLETE CHANGEOVER ON YOUR BOARD. THEN YOU CAN SAY, YEAH, LET'S LOOK AT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND MAYBE TAKE A STEP BACK AND START OVER. BUT THE SHORTER TERM , REALLY, TO FIVE YEARS FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN, RECOGNIZES HOW RAPIDLY THINGS CHANGE. 10 YEAR PLANS USED TO BE REALLY COMMON. THEY ARE NOT REALLY COMMON ANYMORE.

IT JUST RECOGNIZES AND ACKNOWLEDGES EVERYTHING IS CYCLING FASTER. AND IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF 25 OR 30 YEARS, THAT IS A MORE REALISTIC CHUNK. SO IT IS A GOOD SORT OF MANAGEABLE CYCLE, IF YOU WILL. NOT TOO SHORT, NOT

TOO LONG. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> WHILE IT'S ON MY MIND, BEFORE I FORGET AND I WON'T BE HERE, I WILL FOLLOW-UP WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT THOUGHTFUL CONVERSION. WHEN I READ THAT, THAT COULD BE TAKEN DIFFERENT WAYS. IT'S WHERE YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO A LOT OF CONVERTING , AS OPPOSED TO OUR GOAL, ADEQUATE CONVERSION. I WANT TO DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE RESERVE AGRICULTURAL PLANS WHEN WE WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH LANDOWNERS NEAR HASTINGS THAT ARE IN A BIND. WE NEED TO PURSUE THE LEGISLATION A PATH THAT YOU ARE PROVIDING STATEWIDE FOR THE ACQUISITION OF CONSERVATION LAND. IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM , AND -- STILL, MOST OF THE EMPHASIS WHERE I SIT INSISTS THAT THE LANDOWNERS , THE FARMERS -- WE LEAVE THEM IN

A GOOD WAY. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. I WORRY THAT THE BOARDS THOUGHTFUL CONVERSION COULD PUT THE WRONG EMPHASIS ON WHAT THE TELL IS. IF THE INTENT IS CLEARLY WHAT YOU HAD SAID, WHICH IS THE VALUE OF THE COUNTY IS, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THESE AGRICULTURAL LANDS INTACT. THAT IS THE INTENT.

THAT IS WHAT WE HEARD. AND SO THIS CONVERSION IS WHEN THE LANDOWNER DOES NOT WANT TO NECESSARILY KEEP THEM AS AGRICULTURAL LANDS, HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? SO IF YOU CREATED THE

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WRONG EMPHASIS, WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT HOW IT IS DATED.

>> MAYBE TAKE WHAT HE JUST SAID AND PUT THAT IN THERE. BECAUSE IT SPECIFICALLY STATES WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU.

>> YEAH, IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.

>> WE WILL DO 30 MINUTES OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> AT THIS POINT, THE BOARD WILL GO TO 30 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANYONE WANTING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS. THEY SHALL SPEAK AND COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEBATE WITH AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THE BOARD. NO IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS. EMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DEMONSTRATION. ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THE MATERIAL TO THE STAFF. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I AM VICKI DENVER. WE ARE AN INFORMAL INDEPENDENCE GROUP THAT GREW OUT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE'S ONGOING COMMUNICATIONS.

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ARE FOR TO BRING THIS TO HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER TO HISTORIC WEST AUGUSTINE. HE HAD A LOT OF HELP FROM THE BAILEY GROUP, BUT IT ROSE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER TIME. WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT FUNDING PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY. THIS IS YET ANOTHER VERY WORTHY PROJECT THAT DEMONSTRATE JUST WHAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY CAN DO , INCLUDING OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN POOL TOGETHER TO MEET A COMMON GOAL. WE THINK THE COUNTY FOR LEADING THE EFFORT TO BRING THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LET'S TRY THIS COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY APPROACH TO ADDRESS OUR OTHER COMMON PROBLEMS , LIKE CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MANAGING OUR ROADS. THANK YOU.

>> MR. TOM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THERE SEEMS TO BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCHOOL TAX ISSUES ON THE NOVEMBER 5TH BALLOT. QUESTION, WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH TAXPAYERS BOAT? WILL THEY HAVE TO FIND OTHER MONEY TO FILL SCHOOL SALARIES? THIS IS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER. WHILE COUNTY BUILDS MORE SCHOOLS , WHAT WE HAVE HERE ALREADY. HOW MANY MORE MONTHS BEFORE THIS BOARD HIRES A COUNTY ATTORNEY ? WHO ARE PAID TO SIT HERE SPEAK BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT .

HOPEFULLY, I STRESS THIS, THIS WILL CHANGE WHEN YOU COMMISSIONERS ARE SWORN IN. WE NEED TO GET BACK TO TALKING , BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO WORK AND THEY DON'T GET PAID TO SIT HERE. AND WE NEED TO GET BACK AND LISTEN TO 98.5 A.M. . AND I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING GOOD . DO WE WANT TO SAY SOMETHING GOOD? IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU TAKE IT, FOLKS. BUT IT'S A GOOD TRY BY COMMISSIONER JOSEPH , THE PUBLIC REALIZED SHE WOULD WAIT BEFORE THIS LITTLE LADY CAME IN TO GIVE HER LITTLE SPEECH, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. YOU SAID IT WAS 11:30, AND IT IS NEVER 11:30. YOU TRIED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THE PUBLIC , AND I HOPE THERE WILL BE MORE CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC WHENEVER THE YOU COMMISSIONERS ARE HERE TO REPRESENT US, BECAUSE WE, THE TAXPAYER , AND THE PUBLIC, WENT OUT AND VOTED THAT WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON. SOME IS GOOD, SOME IS BAD. I HAVE 33 SECONDS. CALM DOWN. I HAVE 33 SECONDS. I KNOW I GET A LITTLE CRAZY WHEN I GET TO TALKING, BUT I CAN WATCH IT. HOPEFULLY YOUR VISION WILL IMPROVE , AND WE WILL HAVE SOME CLEAR VISIONS

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SPEAKING FOR US. I'M GLAD EVERYONE'S HERE TO TALK AT

11:30. >> MICHAEL MCDONALD , WINDSWEPT ACRES. MY FIRST THOUGHT IS ON THE 3000 ACRES OF FARMLAND THAT FAILS TO REZONE. I TRULY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMBATING THAT TO THIS DAY RIGHT NOW. AND THAT ALSO BRINGS ATTENTION TO THE AGRICULTURE THAT YOU GUYS SAY THAT PEOPLE CAN SELL . THEY CAN SELL, BUT THEY CAN'T REZONE IT. YOU CAN SELL IT TILL THE COWS COME HOME AND YOU CAN SELL IT TO WHOEVER YOU WANT.

BUT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH YOU GUYS AND PLANNING AND ZONING TO REMOVE THE LETTUCE OR POTATOES GROWING OUT OF THERE. YOU GUYS ACTUALLY HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO STOP THAT FARM FROM BEING DESTROYED. BECAUSE HOW ARE THOSE 3000 HOMES ABLE TO DESTROY OUR FOOD PRODUCTION FOR GENERATIONS BECAUSE THOSE 3000 HOMES WANT TO BE PRODUCED THERE? THAT IS JUST UNFATHOMABLE. 3000 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL LAND. BILLIONS OF DOLLARS LIKE TO PURCHASE THAT FROM. AND STILL TOO PREOCCUPIED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO REALLY START TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT HAS FROM OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT INTEREST RATE IS, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO START WORKING ON THAT TO START ASSERTING THAT. BECAUSE WITH THE $120 MILLION IN PARTS AND DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE BEING WASTED EVERYWHERE, ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT IS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, BEING SQUANDERED AWAY. BUT NOW WE STILL HAVE TO BUY THEM OUT IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. HOW YOU CAN POSSIBLY BUY SOMETHING FOR $10 MILLION AS A COUNTY , A TRIPLE-A CREDIT RATING, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE WE HAVE FOR MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BANK ACCOUNT , AND THEY CAN ACCESS THAT. AND EASILY THERE'S LOTS OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AROUND HERE. AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE'S ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS BETWEEN THE STRATEGIC PLANS WITH ALL THE BIG-TIME DEVELOPERS. EVERY ONE OF THEM HAD A MEETING. THEY ALL HAD ONE ON ONE MEETINGS TO DISCUSS WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTIES, AND THESE STORAGE FACILITIES HOLD HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS TO 1 MILLION OFF THE INTERSTATE. ALL THOSE COCOA BEACH SIGNS, NOW THEY SEE THESE HUGE BUILDINGS THAT JUST GO ON AS LONG AS YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE. THERE'S OUR CULTURE.

>> NICOLE CROSBY. I GAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT TWO WEEKS AGO, AND MY COMMENT WAS ON THE SUBJECT OF THAT I OPPOSE ATTACK ADVERTISING AND POLITICS THAT LIES. AND AFTER I GET MY COMMENT AND I SAT DOWN , COMMISSIONER WHITE COMMENTED ON MY COMMENTS. HOWEVER, I DO FEEL HE MISREPRESENTED ME, SO I'D LIKE TO SET THEM THINGS GREAT ON WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SAY. THE KIND OF ADVERTISING THAT WE WERE SUBJECTED TO, WHICH IS NOT ONLY COMPLETELY FALSE AND BASELESS, BUT KIND OF IRONIC, BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TWO DAYS AFTER THE PRIMARY ELECTION. THE ADVERTISING THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT I REFER TO DURING THE PRIMARY WAS CLEARLY FALSE. I WILL JUST GIVE SOME MORE EXAMPLES. THEY CODDLED LEGAL ALIENS. THEY SUPPORTED OPEN BORDERS. THEY SUPPORTED THE TRANSGENDER MOVEMENT INCLUDING OUR CHILDREN. PAYING BAIL FOR VIOLENT CRIMINALS. THEY ALIGNED WITH THE ANTI-ISRAEL RADICAL MOVEMENT. THAT CAME OUT 12 DAYS AFTER 12 ISRAELI CHILDREN WERE MURDERED, AND PROPERTY TAX HIKES, WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT. IN THEIR ADVERTISING, THE THINGS HE SAID WERE TRUE. I DID SAY IN MY COMMENT, I SUPPORT NEGATIVE ADVERTISING WHEN IT'S TRUTHFUL, BUT I DON'T SUPPORT NEGATIVE ADVERTISING WHEN IT'S LIES, WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF THIS

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IS. LOTS AND LOTS OF LIES. THE COMMISSIONER SAID THAT ANYBODY WHO CRITICIZES ME IS SUBJECT TO MY TERRIBLE ATTACKS. WELL, THE PERSON WHO CRITICIZED YOU IS YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER. SHE WANTS TO REMOVE SPECIMEN TREES. PUBLIC RECORDS OF THE COUNTY SHOW NICOLE PLANS TO FIRE ALL COUNTY STAFF. WHEN SHE TAKES OVER, IT'S GOT TO BE AS ADMINISTRATOR. A CANDIDATE WHO WREAKS HAVOC . SHE FOUGHT AGAINST RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS -- IS NOT EVEN TIME TO GO INTO ALL OF IT. SO I THINK I HAVE A RIGHT TO RESPOND TO PEOPLE . THE KIND OF MESSAGES THAT I PUT ON THE FIGHT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FACEBOOK PAGE ARE TRUTH FULL. THERE IS NOTHING ON HERE THAT IS FALSE. THAT'S WHERE THE DISTINCTION IS , FALSE VERSUS NOT FALSE. YES, I GOT ONE WORD WRONG , SO THAT'S A LEVEL OF SCRUTINY ON THIS PAGE.

I'M VERY CAREFUL TO KEEP IT ACCURATE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE USING THE TERMS TREE TAX AND ASKING OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO MAKE CORRECTIONS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REVISIONS.

>> I AGREE, A LOT OF THE ADVERTISING WAS WRONG . WE ALL ARE IN THIS COUNTRY , AND IT IS UNANIMOUS. THERE'S A VIRUS COMING RIGHT THIS WAY . WE ARE NOT PREPARED FOR IT. IT IS A VIRUS THAT IS SPLIT BY MIDGES, THESE LITTLE FLIES. WE HAD MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT THAT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO KILL AND CATCH AND FIGHT , AND I WOULD ASK THE LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL AND LOBBYIST TO MAKE SURE THE STATUTES ARE AMENDED TO APPLY FOR PROTECTION AGAINST -- WHICH ARE CARRYING THIS VIRUS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW FOLKS THAT HAVE HAD VEGA, IT IS IN SOUTH FLORIDA. I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ALL TO HONOR THE BIRTH 100TH BIRTHDAY OF PRESIDENT CARTER.

BACK IN 1989 , LET'S HONOR PRESIDENT CARTER AND ALL HE DID FOR THE COUNTY. IN BIPARTISAN SPIRIT, LET'S HONOR THAT AND DO THE RIGHT THING. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY ELSE.

FINALLY, ALEXANDER EISNER , THREE OF YOU ALL KNOW OF WHAT HAPPENED AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT WITH A MASTERS DEGREE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY . AND THANK YOU HOUSE. THAT WAS A FANTASTIC SAFE. BUT THERE IS ONE WORD THAT GROWTH MANAGEMENT TOLD HIM NOT TO USE WHEN DISCUSSING THAT. SO WE ARE CENSORING HISTORY. WE NEED TO DO BETTER. THANK YOU .

>> RICK NORWOOD. I BEGAN DIPLOMATICALLY AND

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PROFESSIONALLY TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION . THAT WAS MY HOME WITH THE PRIVACY . IRREPLACEABLE. THIS IS HOW THE SIDEWALK COULD HAVE GONE IN. THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK COULD HAVE GONE IN. AND THAT IS WHAT I WOKE UP TO. HERE IT IS. THAT SOIL UNDER THE SIDEWALK IS MINE. THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION WITH A COUNTY ATTORNEY.

AND IT'S ALSO LISTED HERE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. IT SEEMS TO THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO ME HAVE SEIZED IT, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE COUNTY TO GET IT BACK TO THE SIX BLOCK DEEP THREE BLOCK WIDE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN USING IT SINCE 1960. I DON'T KNOW PUTIN SENT THEM, OR WHAT, BUT THEY ARE ADAMANT ABOUT THIS BEING THEIR PROPERTY . THE INDIVIDUAL LIVING ON THE SOUTH SIDE DECIDED HE WOULD PUT UP PYLONS TO KEEP YOU FROM TURNING YOUR BOAT AROUND TO LAUNCH IT , SO I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE AUTHORITIES. A LOT OF THEM ENDED UP PUTTING THEIR DOG ON IT. THE SHERIFF CAME TO MY HOUSE AND ACCUSED ME OF DOING ALL OF THIS. IT IS AMAZING THAT THEY DON'T DO NOTHING EXCEPT MAKE THINGS

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WORSE. WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN 1995, IT WAS A WORKABLE BOAT RAMP ON THE PROPERTY. TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM A BOAT RAMP.

ALL HE HAD TO DO IS GOING ON HERE AND TAKE A RIGHT. I HAVE TO FIGHT NOW TO GET MY BOAT IN AND OUT. AND THIS, OBVIOUSLY, IS MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. HE HAS TAKEN ABOUT 15 FEET OF MY RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND HE LOVES THAT THERE WAS GARBAGE CANS OUT THERE EARLY ON SUNDAY. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PROPER MAILBOXES. NEXT-DOOR HERE. EVERYTHING THIS MAN HAS DONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT HE GETS CONTROL OF THE BOAT RAMP. I HAVE PICTURES OF HIM AND HIS FRIENDS WITH BOATS PRIMED UP UP THERE , AND THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A BIG PROBLEM. YOU ALL ARE ON THIN ICE. YOU ALLOWED HIS DRIVING TO GET THERE. YOU GIVEN THEM LICENSE TO KILL. HE ALMOST RAN OVER ME BACKING OUT. HE DOESN'T EVEN LOOK. YOU GIVE

HIM A LICENSE TO KILL. >> THANK YOU, MR. HENNESSY.

YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU, SIR. DON'T FORGET TO GIVE YOUR DOCUMENTS TO -- THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. HENNESSY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING. KIM'S FORMER. OUR FINES HAVE ACCUMULATED TO $4900 ONE- 192 GRANDPA IN COURT, THAT OCTOBER, A COUNTY VIOLATION ISSUED AN ERROR ON BOTH SIDES. THE COUNTY HAD THE SHERIFF HANDLE THIS IN FEBRUARY 2023. AN EXTENSION TO APPLY FOR A BARRIER, APPLIED SEPTEMBER 2024 AND ZONING NOTIFY THE APPLICANT THE CORRESPONDENCE WAS NOT RECEIVED WITHIN ONE MONTH, IT WOULD BE CLOSED. HE STATED THAT THE OWNER HAD NOT APPLIED AND HE CONTINUALLY IGNORED THE COUNTY ANY PAST-DUE APPLICATION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT PUT THEM IN MORATORIUM . 59 STANSBURY LANE FOR PAVING WALKWAYS ON BOTH SIDES AND THEIR ENTIRE BACKYARD. JULY 2020, CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUED AND NEEDED TO APPLY FOR A BARRIER. THEY RECEIVED PERMISSION FROM THE COUNTY TO INSTALL AND IT WAS IMPROVED. ENFORCEMENT ACTION , WHICH IS UNTRUE. THE COUNTY INFORMED THAT THE APPLICATION WOULD BE CLOSED DUE TO INACTIVITY AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED . CODE ENFORCEMENT PUT THE APPLICATION ON HOLD. RECEIVED A CITATION WARNING FOR SEVERAL CODE VIOLATIONS , A PAVED WALKWAY ON BOTH SIDES, ANNEXED AND LEADS TO THE STREET. INSTEAD, PUT THEM IN MORATORIUM. AN ADDITIONAL CALL BASED ON FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT. FOREST DRIVE. ON 4/9/24, THREE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON BOTH SIDES FOR DRAINAGE. CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUED A CITATION NOTICE. THEY RECEIVED IN MORATORIUM COMMENT FIVE MONTHS LATER. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THEY ARE ENDURING AND DRAINAGE HAS BEEN SUPERB. THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES THAT SHOW HOW WE ARE SELECTIVELY PURSUING .

>> HI. JOYCE FROM BOSTON, AND I THINK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. I AM HERE -- I'M PUTTING MY GLASSES ON. I AM HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT MY BROTHER, RICHARD

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NORWOOD , TO SUPPORT HIM IN HIS COMPLAINT OF THE FRONT PORTION OF HIS LAND THEY JUST HEARD ABOUT AT 3460 OLD TREE ROAD. HE BELIEVES THE LAND WAS DECEITFULLY TAKEN FROM HIM FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTALLING SIDEWALK THERE. HE HAS SHOWN DRAWINGS AND PICTURES AS ATTACHMENTS DURING PAST MEETINGS AS PROOF THAT HE HAS SPENT COUNTLESS DAYS OVER TWO YEARS NOW ASKING FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW HE WOULD LIKE TO FIND A RESOLUTION TO HIS COMPLAINT AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. BUT THUS FAR, HE HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL. SIDE NOTE, THESE ARE MY WORDS. HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT I WOULD MAYBE BE SPEAKING TODAY , OR EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD BE SAYING , SO PLEASE KNOW THESE ARE MY WORDS. I AM THINKING HOW LISTENING TO RESIDENTS COMPLAINTS CAN GET UNCOMFORTABLE AND AT TIMES MAY BRING ANGRY TONES AND WORDS. I AM SURE THAT THAT ATMOSPHERE CAN CREATE A RESENTMENT IN NOT FULLY HEARING AND SEEING EACH OTHER FOR WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING TO THE TABLE.

SO AS RICK'S SISTER, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE REAL RICK. WAS AN HONEST AND FAIR PERSON, WITH GOOD AND KIND INTENTIONS. HE CAN BE EXTREMELY PERSISTENT WHEN TRYING TO RIGHT A WRONG. HE ALSO IS A GENEROUS AND VERY FAIR AND COMPASSIONATE PERSON. SO CARING AS A MATTER OF FACT , THAT HE DEVOTED 10 YEARS OF HIS LIFE ON A STEADFAST, FAITHFUL WEEKLY BASIS MAKING SURE MY MOTHER WAS KEPT SAFE AND COMFORTABLE AS SHE AGED LIVING IN HER MOBILE HOME ALONE, AND THEN TO ASSISTED LIVING, AND AFTER TWIN NURSING HOME UNTIL SHE FOUND HER PIECE AT 96 YEARS OLD. I AM HOPING NOW THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHO RICK IS, AND SEE HIM FOR THAT AND MORE IN A POSITIVE LIGHT. I AM HOPING YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE MORE CLEARLY, TOO, THAT HE HAS BEEN CLEARLY DEVASTATED BY BELIEVING THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY TOOK AWAY A PORTION OF HIS FRONT LAND ALONG WITH SOME BEAUTIFUL BUSHES THERE THAT HE CHERISHED AND GAVE HIM NATURAL PRIVACY.

AND PROTECTING HIM FROM EROSION. AND NOW, MOWING THE LAWN, HE COULD POSSIBLY BE HURT BY MOWING HIS OWN LAWN HERE. I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TODAY GIVEN ME BY ALL OF YOU . I AM HOPING YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE TYPE OF PERSON RICK IS FROM WHAT I HAVE SAID TODAY, AND IT WILL PLAY A PART IN BRINGING A RIGHT AND GOOD RESOLUTION VERY SOON. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THIS WILL BE THE LAST OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> EXCUSE ME. I AM BOB WHILE . MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE FROM TENNESSEE JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND WE LIKE IT HERE SO FAR. I RECENTLY GOT A THING IN THE MAIL, WHICH WAS OUR PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT, AND KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF STICKER SHOCK, AS YOU MAY UNDERSTAND. SO I HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER FOR -- IT WILL BE COMING UP ON 30 YEARS. WE LOOK AT FINANCIALS AND DEMOGRAPHICS AND FIND OUT WHY IS THIS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE AND PROPERTY TAXES HERE VERSUS IN TENNESSEE WHERE WE CAME FROM. A COUPLE OF REVELATIONS I FOUND WERE, ST. JOHNS ACTUALLY ONLY HAS 2% WERE RESIDENTS , SO A COMPARABLE POPULATION. BUT THE OVERALL COUNTY BUDGET FOR 2024 WAS MORE THAN DOUBLE WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S BUDGET. ST. JOHN'S DOES HAVE 30% MORE K-12 STUDENTS. IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, THERE'S A LOT OF HOMESCHOOLING. THE SCHOOL BUDGET IS ACTUALLY DOUBLE THAT OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY. 30% MORE STUDENTS WITH 100% MORE BUDGET.

IT'S ACTUALLY RANKED SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER NATIONAL EVEN ST. JOHNS WITH NEWER FACILITIES AS WELL. WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS GENERALLY WEALTHIER THAN ST. JOHNS , WITH A 50% HIGHER MEDIAN PROPERTY VALUE. HOWEVER, BOTH COUNTIES HAVE ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF EMPLOYED RESIDENTS. EITHER FLORIDA OR TENNESSEE HAVE A SET INCOME TAX AS WELL. SO THE TWO COUNTIES ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND YET OUR PROPERTY TAXES FOR SIMILAR VALUED HOME NEAR THE BEACH ARE MORE THAN TRIPLE WHAT THEY WERE IN BRENTWOOD. MORE THAN TRIPLE.

SO WE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. WHERE'S THE EXTRA $872 MILLION

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BEING SPENT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY VERSUS WILLIAMSON COUNTY? 872 MILLION, THAT WAS IN 2024. IT HAS GONE DOWN A BIT FOR PROPOSED 2025, BUT EVEN THEN, IT IS STILL MORE THAN HALF $1 MILLION BEING SPENT HERE THAN IN WILLIAMSON. AND HOW CAN WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAVE EXCELLENT SCHOOLS, ROADS, AND FACILITIES WITH LESS THAN HALF THE BUDGET OF ST. JOHNS ? WHY ARE PROPERTY OWNERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOOTING THE BILL FOR SUCH EXTRAVAGANT SPENDING IN THIS COUNTY? AND THEN LASTLY, I ACTUALLY NEED YOUR HELP WITH SOMETHING. I AM REALLY GOOD WITH FINANCIALS. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE ALL FUND SUMMARY FOR THE COUNTY AND I COULD NOT FIND ANYWHERE THAT MENTIONS THAT BUDGET. AT ONE POINT ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S BUDGET, I FOUND IT AT 1.15 BILLION. IS THAT PART OF THE 1.6 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED FROM THE COUNTY IN 2024? OR IS

THAT ADDITIONAL? 1.6 WAS 1.1? >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MY ANALYSIS IS WAY WORSE THAN WHAT I WAS FIGHTING.

>> THANK YOU. >> TECH INCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> JUST A QUICK POINT, IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY , TENNESSEE, THE SALES TAX IS 7.5%. THAT MIGHT MAKE UP SOME OF THE DIFFERENCE.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

>> IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU WILL

HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I LIVE ON HARBOR VISTA CIRCLE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. THIS CONCERNED AND ENGAGED CITIZEN , WE WERE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN DID NOT CONSIDER IT BEING CLOSE TO READY FOR ADOPTION. WE REALIZED WE MUST'VE MISUNDERSTOOD THIS WHEN WE ATTENDED THE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH. THIS SEEMS TO BE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY COMMUNITY. SECOND, BURIED WITHIN PRIORITY TWO, IT IS CHARACTERIZED AS COMMUNITY WELL-BEING, IS THE GENERAL IDEA OF EXPANDING ACCESS TO HOUSING.

AT THE INITIAL COMBINED PUBLIC MEETINGS WE ATTENDED, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COPPER HAS A PLAN IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS EXPLAINED AS A FORMER LOOKING OUT OVER THE HORIZON, WHILE THE LATTER WAS INTENDED TO BE FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. IRONICALLY, AFTER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, TWO OF THE 13 SPECIFIC PRIORITIES IDENTIFIED ARE TO ESTABLISH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THE COUNTY TO DEVELOP MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ALSO, ALL INCOME LEVELS DESERVE A SAFE AND AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE, WHETHER THEY BE VETERANS, SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ON FIXED INCOMES, TEACHERS, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, AND FOR LOWER INCOME SERVICE WORKERS IN HOSPITALITY AND HEALTHCARE INDUSTRIES. ST.

JOHNS COUNTY NEEDS TO CLUED OUR HOUSING STOCK AVAILABLE AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS SIGNIFICANTLY, AND WE TO DO IT NOW. 2050 WILL BE TOO LATE TO SAVE OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY, OUR EQUALITY, AND ARE QUALITY OF LIFE. HOUSING NEEDS TO FEATURE MUCH MORE PROMINENTLY IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THIRD, THE DRAFT CONTAINS A LOT OF BROAD CONCEPT, BUT IT IS NOT A PLAN. TO BE MEANINGFUL, THIS PLAN NEEDS TO SET SPECIFIC COUNTY RULES THAT OUR GOVERNMENT CAN WORK TOWARDS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND THAT THE PUBLIC CAN MEASURE AS PROGRESS. THE DRAFT CONTAINS A LOT OF WELL-WORN PLATITUDES AND GENERALITIES, MOST OF WHICH ARE HARD TO ARGUE WITH. BUT ANY ROAD MAP THAT IS IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC , THE POINT TO GET THERE IS NOT REALLY -- FORMANTS MEASURES NEED TO BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THIS PLAN. FINALLY, AS AN ENGLISH MAJOR , I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PICK ONE PART OF SPEECH FOR 2 DRAFT VALUES.

IN OTHER WORDS, TRY FUSE ALL NOUNS AND ADJECTIVES, NOT A MISMATCH. A CONSISTENT APPROACH WILL BE MUCH EASIER ON THE READERS. PLEASE DO NOT ADOPT THIS DRAFT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. IT IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME. THE RESIDENCE OF CMAR ONE COUNTY DESERVE BETTER. THANK YOU.

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>> NICOLE CROSBY. I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MORE SPECIFICITY. WE KEEP HEARING 10 YEARS FOR A CONFERENCE A PLAN, 25 YEARS. WE HEARD 25 YEARS TODAY . 10 YEARS IS WHAT THE STATE CALLS FOR. THAT WAS REALLY WHAT OUR GOAL WAS. THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO MOUNTING TRANSPORTATION, WHICH I LIKED.

WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH EACH PARKING , AT LEAST IN THE NORTHERN END OF THE COUNTY GOING TO ONE PARKING LOT. WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO THE BEACH.

UNFORTUNATELY, PART OF THAT ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN I REFERENCED EARLIER INCLUDED SOME SERIOUS HIT PIECES AGAINST THE IDEA OF USING SHUTTLES TO HELP GET PEOPLE TO THE BEACH.

THAT WAS WRONG, AND I LIKE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION HELPING PEOPLE GIVING TO THE MOST IMPORTANT NATURAL RESOURCE, THE BEACH. THE RESPONSE TO THE CONCERN ABOUT FARMLAND, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY CONSIDERING TO BE CONVERTED TO SOMETHING ELSE , THE POTENTIAL FOR TRYING TO PRESERVE IT AS IT IS, THEY ARE ALL INCORPORATED INTO THIS. ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS I HEARD TODAY WAS THE TOP STRATEGIC PRIORITY TO BUILD TRUST BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY.

ENSURING THAT ACCURATE INFORMATION IS DELIVERED TO THE COMMUNITY . NOT TO PUT TOO FINE A POINT ON IT, BUT IT DOES KIND OF TIE INTO AN EARLIER COMMENT. I THINK THAT TRUST AND SAY THINGS THAT ARE TRUTHFUL AND HONEST SHOULD CARRY THROUGH EVERY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION. NOT JUST THOSE THAT COME FROM THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO THOSE THAT COME FROM CANDIDATES AND CAMPAIGNS. THANK YOU.

>> ABOLISHED -- CAN WE HAVE IT BACK, PLEASE? HE GAVE NO PRINCIPLED REASON FOR DOING THAT . HE WOULD SAY THINGS LIKE, YOU ARE A WOMAN. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A ROUTER. OKAY, I'M GOING TO BRING IN THE SCALE. HE WAS FIRED. THANK YOU FOR FIRING HIM. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A COUNTY GOVERNMENT THAT RESPECTS EMPLOYEE RIGHT , WHO SHOULD BE REINSTATED IMMEDIATELY. THIS PLAN SHOULD NOT BE ADOPTED TODAY. IT IS IN TIMELY. THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE TAKING OFFICE AFTER NOVEMBER 5TH. TALK ABOUT TRUST, TALK ABOUT RESOURCES.

THE COUNTY ABOLISHED THE COVID RESOURCES DIVISION ? THAT DOG WON'T HUNT. RACISM PERMEATES THIS COUNTY . MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID TO US IN 1964, HE SAID THAT THIS WAS THE MOST LAWLESS PLACE IN AMERICA. IF YOU ADOPT THIS TODAY, YOU WENT TO QUALIFY DEAD HAND CONTROL. COME NOVEMBER, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? WHAT IS THE HURRY? WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY? IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE. I JUST -- I AM APPALLED. YOU GOT A COUNTY ATTORNEY -- WE HAD A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHO DIDN'T APPLY FOR THE JOB. BOTH DUPED INTO POSITIONS, AND THE REASONS STATED BY THE COMMISSIONER, OUR CURRENT VICE CHAIR WAS -- THAT IS MY PRINCIPLED, VALID REASON. IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A GOVERNMENT WORTHY OF TRUST. AND WE ARE SITTING HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY , MAKING NOWHERE PLANS FOR NOBODY. THERE'S A LOT OF GENERALITIES IN THIS.

MS. CROSBY, MISS PEPPER, THE OTHER SPEAKER -- IT WOULD BE A

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DISGRACE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY IF YOU DO . THANK YOU.

>> THESE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I WAS ASKING MYSELF WHILE WATCHING THE PRESENTATION. IT WAS TORTURE WATCHING THIS. WHY WOULD WE HIRE SOMEBODY FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY TO TELL US HOW TO RUN OUR GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY DON'T THINK THE WAY WE DO OVER HERE? ILLUSTRATED BY THE EMPHASIS ON --

MINUTES. >> GOOD AFTERNOON , COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JUDY SPIEGEL. I DIDN'T REALLY COME PREPARED TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT IN LISTENING TO HIS PRESENTATION, I WAS JUST SORT OF STRUCK WITH THE EMPTINESS OF IT. IT JUST FEELS EMPTY TO ME. I DON'T EVER MEAN TO BE CRITICAL ABOUT ANYBODY'S WORK. I KNOW IT'S DONE WITH A SINCERE EFFORT. BUT IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE EMPTY TO ME. I REALLY DON'T SEE A MISSION AND THE MISSION STATEMENT OR IN THE VISION STATEMENT, EITHER. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT ABOUT MAYBE TABLING THIS FOR NOW. I THINK MY BIGGEST LOOKOUT WAS FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING. I KNOW IT WAS UNDER COMMUNITY TRUST AND COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. BUT THE COMMENTS THAT I NOTICED WERE TRAINING WORKFORCE AND ABOUT PRESERVING OUR EXISTING HOUSING STOCK . THAT REALLY IS A FORWARD-LOOKING THREE TO FIVE YEAR GOAL. AS WE ALL KNOW, APPROVING ATTAINABLE HOUSING IS JUST A STEP, AND IT TAKES YEARS FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY COME ONLINE. AND YOU KNOW, I DO REMAIN CONCERNED THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR COUNTY , AS FAR AS EMPLOYEES WITH BIG BUSINESS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TRAIN, THEY THRIVE, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS , TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I DON'T SEE THAT REALLY REPRESENTED COMPLETELY IN THIS PLAN. MAYBE THERE'S MORE THE DETAIL PORTION THAT WILL COME AFTER THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT I KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PART. I VERY MUCH DID LIKE, HOWEVER, THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES . I REALLY LIKED THAT. ESPECIALLY BEING A PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBER AND FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT VISION. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO AGAIN, THE WORKFORCE MUST HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, AND MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION ALSO.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR YEARS,

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER . SAL COLLINS AVENUE. I'M HERE TO AGREE WITH THE LADY FROM CARE THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL I GUESS DON'T SEE THE CLEAR PICTURE, I ASKED ONE OF THE GUIDANCE COUNSELORS AS A 37 YOUR GUIDANCE COUNSELOR , I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NOSY, BUT HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? SHE REPLIED 37.

I SAID, WELL, MA'AM, HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE? SHE SAID $67,000 A YEAR . AND YOU ALL ARE SITTING HERE, SAYING THAT LOW WORKFORCE HOUSING -- YOU HAVE TO MAKE $70,000 A YEAR. WERE YOU ALL GET YOUR PICTURES FROM? THE TOP 10 OR 15% OF THE COUNTRY THAT IS MOVING HERE? OUR PARK ON 16 WENT AWAY IN THE LAST 10 YEAR PLAN BEFORE PAUL DIED. BUT YOU ARE BUILDING SIX NEW PARKS OUT WERE YOU JUST BUILT A BUNCH OF NEW HOUSES AND HAVE A BUNCH OF AMENITIES. SO YOU ALL ARE THE STEWARDS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING IS GOING REALLY WRONG SOMEWHERE. GOD BLESS, AND HAVE

A GREAT DAY. >> SUZANNE, 109 32086. FIRST OF ALL, I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A PRESENTATION OF A DRAFT. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS WAS GOING TO COME TO A VOTE TODAY.

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I THOUGHT I BETTER COME PUT MY INPUT IN IF THAT IS THE TRUTH.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I REALLY LIKED ABOUT IT. SOME OF THE VALUES , ADAPTABLE AND VISIONARY. I LIKE THOSE TWO. WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES IN OUR COUNTY . HOUSING IS A BIG ONE.

AND IF WE WANT TO SAVE US ALL THOSE PROBLEMS, WE NEED TO STOP LOOKING BACK AT THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THINGS AND THE VISIONARY. AND WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO BE ADAPTABLE. SOME OF THE MUST HAVES THAT HAD BEEN IN PLACE FOR 25 YEARS DON'T WORK FOR US ANYMORE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADAPTABLE AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE ARE NO LONGER THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY OF THE 1980S AND 1890S. WE DON'T LOOK LIKE IT AT ALL.

I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 25 YEARS, AND THE CHANGES I HAVE SEEN ARE INCREDIBLE. THE BRIDGE IS ONLY A SINGLE SPAN THAT HAD JUST BEEN FINISHED WHEN I STARTED COMING HERE AND WALKING AROUND.

AND WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN, AMAZING. THINGS HAVE CHANGED. WE HAVE TO ADAPT TO CHANGE TO BE WILLING TO ADMIT THAT THE WAY WE DID THINGS BEFORE ARE NOT WORKING NOW.

HOUSING. I AGREE WITH WHAT THE OTHERS SAID. WHEN JUDY CAME UP AND SAID. ATTAINABLE HOUSING IS PROBABLY ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST ISSUES, AND WHILE IT IS MENTIONED IN THE COMMUNITY SECTION, IT SHOULD BE IN THE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY SECTION, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ECONOMICALLY PROSPEROUS ANYMORE IF WE CANNOT RETAIN OUR EMPLOYEES WHO CAN LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND NOT BE COMMUTING FROM FAR, FAR AWAY. AND WE ARE ALSO LOSING MONEY IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY TO DUVAL COUNTY, WHERE THERE IS MANY MORE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EMPLOYERS WHO PAY A LOT MORE THAN WE DO. THEY LIVE HERE, THEY COMMUTE THEIR. THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE, DRY THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, WORK HERE.

>> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMENTS,

DISCUSSIONS? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IS IT OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD AND ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THESE? GOOD AFTERNOON, NOW, I GUESS. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING. JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD WITH REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAST SPEAKER, FOR ME, TALKING ABOUT THE ADAPTING TO CHANGE , THE THINGS WE ARE DOING WITH HOUSING, THINGS LIKE THAT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING UNDER ECONOMIC PROSPERITY, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT?

>> YEAH. IT'S ALWAYS SORT OF AN INDIVIDUAL CHOICE PER LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SO I WILL SIMPLY SAY, WHILE I ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE WEST COAST, I DO THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. WE WORK WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN PRACTICALLY EVERY STATE, AND I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS. THIS DISCUSSION COMES UP A LOT. AND IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE PREVALENCE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHERE IT LIVES. SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS LIKE TO HOUSE -- THE HOUSING OBJECTIVES IN THEIR ECONOMIC VITALITY PRIORITY. SOME OF THEM LIKE TO PUT IT IN THE COMMUNITY WELL-BEING PRIORITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS WHAT YOU PUT IT IN . IT NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? IT NEEDS TO LEAVE . RECOGNIZING ALSO THAT THE PRIORITIES AREN'T JUST STANDALONE SINGLE PILLARS. THERE IS INTEGRATION , SO YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT TO PUT IT IN MORE THAN ONE PLACE. SO IT

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REALLY GETS DOWN TO THE PREFERENCE OF THE LOCAL

GOVERNMENT. >> OKAY. IF YOU SO MUCH. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BOUGHT INTO THIS , THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN THE COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS. AND AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU PUT INTO IT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD START. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITHIN THE PROCESS, SO I WILL LISTEN TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM MY

COLLEAGUES. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> I GUESS WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THIS TITLE OR THAT TITLE, THIS IS WORDPLAY AND YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW OUR COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE, TOO. I JUST -- I'M NOT READY TO VOTE

ON THIS. THAT'S HOW I STAND. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH. >> I AGREE. I WOULD LIKE AT LEAST ANOTHER WEEK, ABOUT A MONTH. IT'S A GREAT RESOLUTION, I WILL SAY THAT. IT'S SOMETHING I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IN FAVOR, AND I HAVE NOTHING WRONG WITH ALL THE OTHERS, I JUST NEED MORE TIME. IF WE ACCEPTED THIS AS A DRAFT, THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD GO. I DON'T WANT TO SLOW THIS DOWN, BUT I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT IN WRITING, PROBABLY , IN THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING ON APPROPRIATE SCHEDULE.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> I DON'T MIND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING OR EVEN THE MEETING AFTER THAT. THE PRESENTATION WILL SPEED BACK DIRECTLY FROM THE COMMUNITY.

>> SO THE PRIORITIES IN THIS PLAN ARE PRIORITIES YOU SELECTED AS A BOARD. WE BROUGHT ALL THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK TO YOU. WE HAVE COMPLETED THAT PROCESS AND PRESENTED IT TO YOU AND YOUR BOARD, AS WILL BE CALLED AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCAN AND CURRENT STATE ASSESSMENT. SO ALL THE DATA WE COLLECTED AND INTERVIEWS FROM A SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT PLATFORM , FROM THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY THAT WE DID WITH OUR PARTNER, UTC , THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US FROM THE CONTENT CONFERENCE A PLANNING PROCESS WAS ALL FOLDED IN THERE. SO ALL OF THAT WAS INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY. THAT WAS CONSIDERED.

THAT WAS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SCAN , PRESENTING ALL THE DATA TO YOU AND YOUR BOARD SESSION. AND AGAIN, WITH THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR . SO THE PRIORITIES, THE SIX PRIORITIES THAT EMERGED CAME OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. WE DO KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT WE KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY THROUGH THE LENS OF WORKING WITH YOU FOR ABOUT 10 MONTHS. SO WE REALLY DO HAVE TO RELY ON MORE THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF WHERE A PARTICULAR SET OF OBJECTIVES SHOULD LIVE IN THAT PRIORITY AREA. YOU CAN MOVE BASED ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE. THAT'S PART OF THE BEAUTY OF A STRATEGIC PLAN , AND HELPING SOME OVERARCHING PRIORITY AREAS TO MANEUVER AS THINGS CHANGE IN THE ENVIRONMENT. THAT IS PART OF THE REASON TO CONSTRUCT THE PLAN IN THAT WAY. I HOPE I

ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. >> YOU BROUGHT US A BUNCH OF OPTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS. EVERYTHING WAS

BROUGHT TO US AS AN OPTION . >> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. ONE OF THE THINGS IT WAS VERY CLEAR WAS, THERE WAS A LOT OF ALIGNMENT BETWEEN WHAT CAME THROUGH THE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY AND WHAT CAME THROUGH THE QUALITATIVE INPUT PROCESS, WHICH WAS COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND INTERVIEWS AND

CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD. >> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ST.

JOHNS COUNTY COMPLETED A STRATEGIC ? MS. TAYLOR, HAVE MAYBE WE NEVER HAD A STRATEGIC PLAN? IS THAT POSSIBLE? SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD NO. I WAS TOLD WE HAD ZERO STRATEGIC PLAN MOVING INTO THIS. ARE WE STARTING FROM SCRATCH HERE TRYING TO GET -- ONE OF THE BIG CRITICISMS OF OUR GOVERNMENT IS THAT WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- WE'VE NEVER HAD A STRATEGIC PLAN. WE NEED SOMETHING TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY AND BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED. WERE GOING INTO THE MANY COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS , BECAUSE WE ARE NOT BUILDING OFF OF SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE IN THE OVER 200

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YEAR HISTORY. I PREPARED TO WAIT IF WE CAN FINE-TUNE IT AND MAKE IT BETTER. I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE GOOD WORK THAT

YOU DONE . >> THANK YOU. IF I COULD COMMENT, IT IS TYPICAL FOR US TO PRESENT A DRAFT AND FOR US TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION. I ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE SOME SIGNIFICANT WORK ON PERFORMANCE MEASURES. SO THEY WERE PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY, BUT WE HAVE THEM. THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF A STRATEGIC PLAN, IS TO HAVE A WAY TO MEASURE YOUR PROGRESS. THOSE ARE ALSO IN DRAFT FORM . WE CAN SHARE THOSE WITH YOU, AND WE CAN ONCE AGAIN DISTINGUISH -- THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WANTED MORE DETAIL. I HEARD THOSE COMMUNITY COMMENTS. WE HEAR THEM A LOT WHEN WE GET TO THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS. THOSE WILL GO INTO AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OF HOW YOU WILL GO ABOUT ACHIEVING THOSE LONGER-TERM OBJECTIVES. AND SO WE WANT ENOUGH SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE FROM YOU TO KNOW THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTATION, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE STRATEGY.

SO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THAT WILL HAVE THE DETAIL THAT I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ANN TAYLOR AND CLAY MURPHY IN THE AUDIENCE, WE WELCOME THEIR INPUT . IN FAIRNESS, I THINK ED MADE THE COMMENT. THEY NEED TO DO SOME VOLUNTEER WORK BEFORE THEY GET SWORN IN. I WOULD FULLY WELCOME THAT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> DID YOU MEET WITH THE DEVELOPERS BY YOURSELF?'S

>> NO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. THE CONFERENCE A PLANNING PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW, IS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONFUSION IN TERMS OF WHO'S DOING WHAT. THERE WAS A BENEFIT IN DOING THAT, BUT WE CONDUCTED OUR INTERVIEWS

SEPARATELY FROM THAT PROCESS. >> I JUST DON'T SEE ANY OF THE CODE FOR CLEARCUTTING AND BUFFERS. YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I WAS REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT AND LOOKING AT

IN THE CONSERVATION PART. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND AGAIN, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE OBJECTIVES AND FINE-TUNE THEM. BY ALL MEANS, IF THERE IS SOMETHING MISSING THAT YOU AS AN ELECTED BOARD HAD EXPECTED TO SEE, WE CERTAINLY WOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT. THIS IS YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT AND

TALK ABOUT IT. YES. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MISS KENNEDY. DO WE NEED A MOTION TO BRING THIS BACK AND SAY A MEETING IN OCTOBER? THAT I'M

[4. Confirmation of Economic Development Director. After conducting a nationwide recruitment, Sara Maxfield was selected as the Economic Development Director. Ms. Maxfield has over 15 years of extensive economic and business development experience. The County Administrator is seeking Board confirmation of Ms. Maxfield as the ED Director.]

>> WELCOME BACK. THIS BRINGS US BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TODAY OUR TOP CANDIDATE WHO HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY DIRECTOR , MS. SARAH MAXFIELD.

WE ARE REALLY FORTUNATE THAT SHE WAS ONE OF MANY CANDIDATE WHO WENT TO A VERY RIGOROUS RECRUITMENT PROCESS, AND SHE REALLY STOOD OUT. WE WENT THROUGH MULTIPLE INTERNAL INTERVIEWS, AND ALSO SHE MET WITH SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND I THINK IT WAS THE CONSENSUS THAT SARAH WAS THE BEST CANDIDATE. WE'RE PRESENTING YOU, MISS MAXFIELD, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. BUT BEFORE THAT, I'M GOING TO GO OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HER VERY IMPRESSIVE RESUME. THIS IS OUR SELECTION PROCESS. 52 CANDIDATES APPLY, AND SARA WAS ONE OF THEM , AND SARA WAS ACCEPTED AS THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO SARA ACTUALLY VERY RECENTLY WAS THE PALM BEACH COUNTY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND SHE WAS ALSO THE ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF ERRE BEACH. SHE

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JUST ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS . I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH HER ON THAT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SHE ALSO LED SEVERAL INITIATIVES FOCUSED ON BUSINESS, WORK WORSE, AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT. SARA ALSO SERVED ON THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND DEVELOPMENT USE COMMITTEE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. BEFORE THAT, SHE ACTUALLY BEGAN HER CAREER WITH ATHENS COUNTY, OHIO, DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL BEGINNING JANUARY OF 2009 PRIOR TO HER APPOINTMENT IN 2012 AS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR . AND SHE SERVED ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS MARKETING COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR AND UNDER HER DIRECTION, THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL HAS EXPANDED PROGRAMMING, SECURED FEDERAL AND STATE GRANT DOLLARS AND DEVELOPED NEW PARTNERSHIPS.

SO IN ADDITION, SARA SERVED AS THE COURT AUTHORITY SECRETARY BEGINNING IN 2009 AS A DIRECTOR AND IN 2020. SHE GRADUATED LAUDE WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN HEALTH FROM OHIO UNIVERSITY, AND SHE EARNED HER CERTIFIED DESIGNATION FROM THE ECONOMIC OF ELEMENT COUNSEL. SHE IS ALSO A CERTIFIED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FINANCE PROFESSIONAL, ALSO KNOWN AS ED FP. SHE HAS CONTINUED TO PURSUE PROFESSIONAL COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION , THE DEVELOPMENT INSTITUTE, THE GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, AND NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. THIS GOES ON AND ON AND SHE IS CONTINUING THE PURSUIT TO ENRICH HER CREDENTIAL TO BE THE COMPTROLLER TODAY FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HOPEFULLY SHE WILL

RECEIVE A CONFIRMATION TODAY. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NOW TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.

>> GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR. I WILL BE VERY, VERY BRIEF. THIS ISN'T EXCELLENT HIGHER, AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE A WASTE OF MY TIME TO SAY ANYTHING BUT FOR HER CONFIRMATION.

>> WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HAPPY TO MOVE, MADAM CHAIR. MOTION TO CONFIRM SARA MAXFIELD IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

>> MOTION IN A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS, MISS MAXFIELD. WELCOME TO THE TEAM.

OKAY, AND THAT IS GOING TO BRING US INTO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT INTO HIS RESPONSE TO THE LETTER, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED.

>> OKAY. MR. DEAN.

>> WE GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF HE SO CHOOSES BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERESTING LETTER THAT HE OUGHT TO HAVE A RIGHT TO COMMENT ON AND RESPOND.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, THIS LETTER AND THE COMMENTS EARLY ARE RELATED TO MY TIME ON THE BOARD OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IT'S A VERY SMALL, SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT TAKES IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND MOST OF THE BEACHES AND IS DEDICATED TO LOCAL WATERS. IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1937 AS A SPONSOR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. HER LETTER IS FULL OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WENT ON AT , THEY ARE ALL THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD, AND WAS LOST ON. SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE SOUR GRAPES, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. EVERY ISSUE IS

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STATED IN A WAY THAT IS REASONABLE, BUT IT'S OPPOSITE TO THE WAY THAT IT HAPPENED. THEY HAD A CONTRACT RENEWED ANNUALLY BY THE BOARD. IT WAS CONTRACT AT WILL. THEY COULD FIRE ME ANYTIME. PUBLIC SERVICE BONDS ARE REQUIRED BY THE BOARDS CHARTER , THE 1937 CHARTER . AND WHEN MS. FLOWERS CAME INTO OFFICE IN 2020, THE BOND ALREADY EXISTED, AND THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME WAS $1 MILLION. SHE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT SPENDING $300 PER BOND . AND SHE COMPLAINS ABOUT TAYLOR ENGINEERING, WHICH IS THE FOREMOST COASTAL CONSTRUCTION DESIGNER IN FLORIDA. THEY REPRESENTED THE PORT FROM THE SMALL PROJECTS TAKEN FROM THE PORT FOR EITHER GRATIS OR REDUCED FEES. THEY HAD AN ONGOING CONTRACT AND THEY OFFERED A LOT OF ADVICE FREE. THEY WROTE UP CONTRACTS FREE.

THEY HAD REDUCED RATES. AND DURING THE 11 YEARS I WAS THERE, OCCASIONALLY, WE WOULD GET INQUIRIES FROM THE GENERAL ELECTION COMMISSION , ABOUT WHETHER OR COMMISSIONERS QUALIFIED TO BE A COMMISSIONER . THEY JUST HAD TO LIVE INSIDE THE DISTRICT. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A DIAGRAM OF IT, IT'S VERY STRANGELY DISTRIBUTED. IT INCLUDES THE BEACHES TO MARINE LAND AND IT GOES INLAND WEST ABOUT TWO OR THREE MILES , DOWN TO ABOUT 312, AND THEN BACK DOWN. THAT WAS BASICALLY WHERE THE POPULATION WAS. THE TINY DISTRICT . IT IS PROBABLY THE SMALLEST TAXING AUTHORITY IN THE COUNTY. AND WHEN I WORKED THERE , THEY GOT ABOUT $300,000 A YEAR. NOBODY WAS MAKING BIG MONEY. WE HAD $1 MILLION IN THE BANK. THEY COMPLAINED ENDLESSLY THAT THERE WAS THEFT AND GRAFT AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. AND WE WERE AUDITED EVERY YEAR BY STATE AUDITORS AND AUDITORS THAT WERE HIRED. AUDITED BY FEMA FOR ALL THE MONEY THAT WENT THROUGH THEIR. AND TOWARD THE END OF THE AUGUST OF LAST -- PROBABLY THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT I WAS THERE, THEY TRY TO RESTORE SUMMER HAVEN. THERE WAS HUGE POLITICAL SUPPORT FOR DOWN THERE, AND THE STATE ALLOCATED SOMETHING LIKE $1 MILLION FOR THE PORT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE , WHO WAS THE SPONSOR FOR THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT WENT ALONG, AND IT WAS ALMOST FINISHED WHEN HURRICANE MATTHEW CAME THROUGH AND PUSHED ALL THE SAND BACK IN THE RIVER. 95% OF IT. AND WE SUBSEQUENTLY OBTAINED MORE FUNDS FROM THE STATE TO REDO IT. AND WHEN IT WAS ALMOST DONE, ALONG CAME IRMA , AND PUSHED ALL THE SAND BACK IN THE RIVER. AND JUST -- PEOPLE WANTED TO GO THERE, MS. FLOWERS WANTED TO GO ON FROM THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY FINISH THE DREDGING. SHE CLAIMED THERE WERE SOME SORT OF CRIMINALITY IN THAT. IN TWO OR THREE TIMES DURING THE 11 YEARS, THE ELECTION COMMISSION ASKED ME FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS , BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENCE. AND ONE OF THEM WAS -- WHO CLAIMED AN ADDRESS ON U.S. ONE SOUTH, WHICH IS IN THE DISTRICT. AND MS. FLOWERS AND

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MR. SLEVIN COMPLAINED THAT YOU COULDN'T LIVE THERE. SO I CALLED VICKI OAKES, THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, AND ASK, HOW MANY VOTERS ARE REGISTERED AT THAT MARINA? TURNS OUT THAT IF YOU LIVE IN A BOAT AS A HERMIT RESIDENCE, YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE. HIS WIFE LIVED IN ANOTHER COUNTY. I THINK ALL OF THIS IS GROUNDLESS, AND THESE ARE ACTUALLY THINGS, SANDY FLOWERS -- THERE WAS CHAOS ON THE BOARD FOR THE WHOLE FOUR YEARS SHE WAS THERE . IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE ANY ACTION. THE FIRST THING SHE DID WAS COME IN AND DEMAND -- OR CLAIM THAT THE STATE ATTORNEY WHAT IT WAS INVESTIGATING THE BOARD, EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO JAIL.

WHICH WAS A PRO SE LAWSUIT. WHICH WAS DISMISSED BY THE COURT AS BRAZEN AND GROUNDLESS. I RESIGNED ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH HER TERM. NOTHING OF VALUE WENT ON AS LONG AS THAT PERSON WAS THERE. THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE, TOO, WHO DISRUPTED MEETINGS TO THE POINT WE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE SEVERAL TIMES. THE POLICE CAME OUT THERE SO OFTEN , THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO START CHARGING US EVERY TIME A COP HAD TO GO OVER HERE TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE MEETING BECAUSE THEY WERE DISRUPTIVE. SO THAT IS MY TAKE ON THIS LETTER , AND NONE OF IT IS WHAT IT PURPORTS TO BE IN THE COMPLAINTS . AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVEN WORKING AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATE, YOU WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE MAD ABOUT IT. PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE EXISTING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FORCED ON THEM , WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR AN EYESORE WILL SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BUILDING A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD, A NICE HOUSE, DON'T MIND HAVING A DRIVEWAY WHERE THERE IS STUFF PILED EVERYWHERE . THE FACT IS THAT THE COUNTY CAN FIND A PERSON, OR THEY CAN SPEND THE MONEY TO GO IN AND CLEAN IT UP ON THE COUNTY'S DIME AND FILE A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY , WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO. AND BECAUSE IT'S THAT PERSON'S HOMESTEAD, YOU CAN'T GET THAT MONEY BACK. AND ANOTHER THING IS THAT THE COUNTY ARE, IN MY EXPERIENCE, HAS NOT FOUND A GENEROUS RECEPTION IN CIRCUIT COURT. THE COUNTY IS IN THERE ONCE IN A WHILE, AND IT'S HARD TO MAKE YOUR WAY THROUGH TO GET A FAIR SHAKE. SO MY THEORY HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO DO THE MOST YOU CAN , AND SPEND THE LEAST, OF THE TAXPAYER MONEY. AND THAT HAS MADE PEOPLE CLEANUP THEIR PROPERTY AND TAKE SOME TIME . THAT WAY THE COUNTY IS NOT PUTTING OUT 50 OR $100,000 , THE MONEY THAT WILL NEVER, EVER COME BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS. AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR CLOSE ON A LAW-ENFORCEMENT LIEN. EVEN WHERE WAS NOT HOMESTEAD. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS ISSUE SO WE GET RESOLUTION . THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE STAFF PRESENTING AND BRINGING THIS ITEM FORWARD. AND FOR SPEAKING. I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OFFER SOME SUPPORT, I HAVEN'T SEEN MISSES FLOWERS EMAILS, BUT I'VE SEEN ENOUGH CORRESPONDENCE TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS AT. SO MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 -393 . A SPECIAL MAGISTRATES FOR JUNIOR

[5. Public Hearing * PUD 2023-14 The Preserve at St. Augustine Lakes. Request to rezone approximately 247.26 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) and Planned Unit Development (PUD) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum 376 single family residential dwelling units. This request was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on Thursday, May 16, 2024, and was recommended for approval, 4-3.]

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TERM, SETTING THE HOURLY RATE FOR SERVICES TO $270 PER HOUR AND AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF CONTRACTS UNDER THE LAW AND THE LASSITER LONG-TERM P.A. FOR PROPOSALS.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. PLEASE NOTE. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> NO EMAILS, A MEETING WITH A WILLIAMS RESIDENT WAS OPPOSED.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF EMAILS.

I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETT. HE DISCUSSED THE OUTLINE OF THE PROJECT, WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO. I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH ZEKE WILLIAMS. HE IS PRESIDENT IN THE AREA. HE IS OPPOSED TO THE PRESENTATION AS WELL. HE IS OPPOSED TO IT AND SHOWED ME WHERE IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE.

>> THANK YOU. I HAD A COUPLE OF EMAILS. I ALSO HAD THE MEETING WITH MR. BURNETT. AND ZEKE WILLIAMS, WHO IS A RESIDENT AND REPRESENTING SEVERAL OTHER RESIDENTS WHO WERE IN THE SAME

POSITION. >> MADAM CHAIR, NO EMAILS. WE DISCUSSED THE IMPLICATION OF TRAFFIC IMPLANTS , AND ZEKE WILLIAMS, WAS A RESIDENT WHO IS OPPOSED, TO DISCUSS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT , COMPATIBILITY, AND DRAINAGE. WE CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON SEPTEMBER 13TH AT APPROXIMATELY 11:00 P.M. AT MERRITT SPRINGS AND ROBINSON. A MAN NAMED JUSTIN DROVE ME AROUND THE AREA AND SHOWED ME THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE INTO THE EXISTING SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES. I SEE HOW THE DRAINAGE COULD BE POTENTIALLY IMPACTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> I HAVE MEETINGS WITH ZEKE WILLIAMS AND JEANNIE PRICKETT. WE DISCUSSED DRAINAGE AND

CONGESTION , ET CETERA. >> OKAY. THINK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. BURNETT.

>> AFTERNOON, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. DOUG BURNETT, HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF PRESENTING TARA FLOYD AND HER FAMILY. TARA IS ACTUALLY HERE TODAY. ALSO WITH KNOWING THAT TRAFFIC AND STORM WATER WOULD BE DISCUSSED, MIKE -- SORRY. BILL SHEAFFER IS HERE AND ROSS CHANDLER IS HERE FOR TRAFFIC. I WANT TO START BY GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND THE LOCATION . THAT'S AN INTERESTING COLOR SCHEME. THE CENTER PART OF THE COUNTY , HOLMES BOULEVARD, IF WE ZERO IN CLOSER , WHERE DEER RUN GOES INTO DAILY, MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS AREA . WERE 13 USED TO DEAD-END AND 207, THERE IS THAT EXTENSION SO YOU GET THERE QUICKLY AND THAT LOCATION. LOOKING AT THE AREA OF THE MAP THAT IS IN YOUR STAFFER WORK, THIS IS NOT COMPARED TO WHAT IS POTENTIALLY OUT THERE NOW, AND I WILL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE UPDATED.

THIS IS A PUD THAT IS ADJACENT TO OUR SITE. OUR SITE WAS TO PRESERVE SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES, WHICH IS IN YELLOW. LOOKING AT AN AREA WITH A MORE EXPANDED VIEW, THIS IS THE BOULEVARD I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY STAY AT 16.

AGAIN, SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES. I POINT OUT SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES BECAUSE RESIDENTIAL C DENSITY, WHICH ARE WELL WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT TREE BOUNDARY, AND IF YOU LOOK AT HOLMES

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BOULEVARD, THE HISTORY, WE ALL KNOW THAT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL BARRIER AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND AS YOU STEP DOWN FROM YOUR INDUSTRIAL SITES. SO WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL C, WHICH IS A 6 UNITS IN A. WE ARE SEEKING 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE, AND THERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES . SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2006 . AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS APPROVED IN 2006, IT ALLOWED A TOTAL OF 800 UNITS WITH SINGLE UNIT AND MULTIFAMILY. LOOKING AT 169 UNITS , 169 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENTAL AREA . SO WE KNOW IN THIS AREA DATING BACK TO 2006, LOOKING AT 4.7 UNITS IN A FOR THAT AREA. AND AGAIN, OUR PROJECT IS GOING IN . SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING WAS APPROVED, IT WOULD SAY 800 UNITS. IT'S BEEN PLOTTED AT 426 UNITS. THEY'VE ALL BEEN PLATTED AT THIS STAGE.

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THERE ARE SOME HOMESITES, SOME OR PRESERVATION OF LAKES. IN THIS PHOTO, IT IS INTERESTING. THIS IS JUST A RANDOM GOOGLE PHOTO. IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE PEOPLE WALKING. ON THE RIGHT WE SEE A MAN WITH A BLUE SHIRT. IN THE BACKGROUND, A COUPLE WALKING AS WELL. I TOLD YOU I WOULD SHOW YOU A LITTLE MORE MODERN ON THE SITE. THIS IS WHERE I BELIEVE A PROPERTY APPRAISERS DATABASE FROM 2024 SHOWS YOU A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE IT IS IN THOSE CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES. AND YOU CAN SEE IT COMING IN FROM THE VERY TOP AND AROUND. THAT'S RIGHT JUST TALK YOU THROUGH ON THAT STREET LEVEL PATH. LOOKING GOING TOWARDS OUR PROJECT, ACADIA LYNCH DRIVE ONTO THOMPSON BAILEY, YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS VIEW, AFTER YOU DRIVE THOMPSON BAILEY, YOU CAN SEE ADDITIONAL AREAS HEADING INTO WHERE PROJECT ENTRANCE WOULD BE. THIS ENTIRE STRETCH THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE WOULD BE EXTENDING THE IMPROVEMENT ALL THE WAY TO THE ENTRANCE SO THAT THE ROAD WOULD BE BUILT TO A BETTER STANDARD. I'VE ACTUALLY OUTLINED THIS IN OUR TEXT. THIS IS ALREADY IN YOUR PACKET.

IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THAT WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES IN OUR PUD TEXT. WE ALSO ADDED THIS DRAWING TO IT, WHICH IS BEEN CREATED TO SHOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WITHIN A LOCAL ROAD IN THE PAVEMENT ITSELF BUILT TO COLLECTOR STANDARDS.

YOU GET A MINOR COLLECTOR WITHIN THE LOCAL ROAD, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PAVEMENT OUT OF THERE. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PICTURE. A COLLECTOR ROADBED WITH A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WOULD BE SIX FEET. PRESERVATION, OVER 100 ACRES OF PRESERVATION. AND THAT REALLY BEARS ITSELF OUT WHEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE AND HOW MUCH GREEN THERE IS AND ALSO FOR THEIR RETENTION PONDS. WE DO HAVE TWO STUDIES RELATED TO THIS. ONE THAT WAS DONE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE LEWIS PROPERTY, AND THERE'S DOCUMENTS OF FEDERALLY LISTED SPECIES ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. THE BULK OF THE PROPERTY IS ROAD ASSOCIATES PROPERTY, AND THE ANALYSIS OF THAT, THERE'S ONLY ONE STATE OR FEDERALLY LISTED PLANT WHICH WOULD NOT INTERRUPT THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN PROCESS. ARCHAEOLOGICAL -- IS NOTHING ARCHAEOLOGICAL ON THE SITE. AND THEN, AGAIN, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE SITE IN GENERAL. WE HAVE A VERY EXPERIENCED TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER TO JOIN US AT THIS STAGE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. AS YOU KNOW, HE'S AN ENGINEER. AND HE'S TAKING THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH SOME OF THESE.

>> THANK YOU.

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WHICH ARE CURRENTLY DEFICIENT. AT LEAST WE DISCUSSED THINGS WITH THE STAFF, THERE ARE THREE PROJECTS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY UNDER DESIGN BY THE COMPANY .

>> CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT A LITTLE MORE ? AWESOME, THANK

YOU. >> THE BIGGEST ONE IS, I THINK IT'S CALLED YUKON AT STANWOOD PARK . THAT MEETS THE NEW CRITERIA ABOUT TRYING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF SAFETY . AND THEN THEY ARE WORKING ON ADDING A WESTBOUND TURN LANE, SO THAT WILL HELP WITH THE BACKLOG ON TRAFFIC AND WILL NOT BE IMPACTED IN THE FUTURE. INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT HOLMES , SO THOSE WILL ADD -- AND AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE STAFF, ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY , IT'S A LONG LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS. AND THEN JUST TO FOCUS ON SOME OF THE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS, AS WE MENTIONED, MOST OF THE TURN LANES ON THE HOMES AT DEER RUN ROAD, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE WARRANTED IN THE NEAR FUTURE. HE'S GOING TO COME IN AND WORK WITH THE EXISTING SAINT AUGUSTINE PROJECT , TO MAKE SURE THAT INTERSECTION CONTINUES TO WORK IN THE SAFETY IS MAINTAINED. THEY NEED TO KEEP THE FLOW SMOOTH ON THOMPSON BAY, AND AT THE ENTRANCE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TURN LANE WITH TRAFFIC NOT IMPACTED. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO GO OVER . IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE BECAUSE I TRUST YOUR EXPERTISE AND I KNOW YOU ARE A TRAFFIC EXPERT. HOW MUCH OF THIS TRAFFIC APPROVED OF MODELING TO GO TOWARD STATE ROAD 16?

>> GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

ABOUT 20% GOES TOWARD 16 , TOWARDS THE MESS. 17 TO 19%.

>> YOUR MODEL SHOWS ONLY 38%. >> THAT'S HOW THE MODEL IS. IT BRINGS IN NEARBY EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE MODEL HAS 150 INFLATIONS. ROUGHLY 38 TO 40% .

>> INTERESTING. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I SEE 130.6% AT CAPACITY. I THINK FROM HOLMES BOULEVARD TO 16. COULD YOU GO TO THAT LIST? WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES ON 1 THROUGH 8? I'M TRYING TO FIND IT, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST TELL ME, THAT WILL BE GREAT. BECAUSE IT IS MOSTLY READ ON THIS MAP, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE.

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>> SO THAT IS ABOUT --

21%. THE SECOND LINK -- >> THAT IS FOR YOU GUYS, YOU

ARE INCLUDING THE TOTAL? >> NO, THAT IS JUST OUR

PROJECT. >> I NEED THE TOTAL. THANK YOU.

THAT IS EXISTING TRAFFIC. >> I THINK THE PAGE BEFORE THAT SAYS THAT IS 134.6%. LINK NUMBER TWO.

>> I DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE FLOW, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS FOR ALL EIGHT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME. MAYBE HE CAN COME BACK UP AND REBUTTAL AND PREPARE A RESPONSE. I WILL GIVE

HIM SOME TIME. >> PERFECT, THANK YOU. THANK

YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY.

>> SORRY, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. HE PUT UP A FLORIDA STATUTE THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ALL DEFICIENCIES THAT EXIST WITHIN THE AREA. TO AN EXTENT CAN WE CONSIDER THE DEFICIENT LINKS ON PAGE 12 OF THE STAFF REPORT ?

>> YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUE UNDER THE

COMP PLAN. >> SO WE CAN CONSIDER IT, BUT

-- >> NO.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW STACKED THIS WAS. THAT'S ALL. I'D APPRECIATE YOU COMING

BACK. >> OKAY, I WILL GO THROUGH THE

NUMBERS, MA'AM. >> TO CONTINUE OUR PRESENTATION -- WE HAVE SITE RELATED IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE SITE, WHICH THOSE WOULD BE THINGS THAT ARE ROUTINELY WORKED OUT WITH COUNTY STAFF AS YOU GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN PROCESS. AND SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THAT RIGHT TURN LANE AT THE PROJECT, OR SYNCHRONIZATION, THOSE THINGS WOULD OCCUR IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL

PROCESS, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> HE ALSO SHOWED A RED LIGHT. WHETHER WE GO FORWARD OR NOT, ISN'T IT TRUE ALREADY THAT SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A TRAFFIC SIGNAL?

>> OUR PROJECT WOULD EITHER NEED TO DO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES, WE WOULD HAVE

TO DO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT? >>

>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU POINTED OUT EARLIER , YOU'VE ALREADY DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THIS STAGE, CORRECT?

>> YES. SO WE HAVE TO FINALIZE THE FINAL STUDY AND THE SHARE

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FOR THE ROADWAY SEGMENTS , AND THAT AS WELL.

>> THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF ARTICLE 11 IN LAND DEVELOPMENT, YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT WITH NEED TO DO A FAIR SHARE? AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH FORMER STATUTES, WHAT NORMALLY TRANSPIRES FOR TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A

PROJECT? >> YES.

>> IN YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE ROADS AROUND THIS PROJECT, DID YOU FIND ANYTHING THAT IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION GIVES YOU PAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SAFETY OR OTHER ISSUE RELATED TO THIS THAT WOULD BE CREATED BY THIS PROJECT?

>> I DON'T SEE THAT IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION. THEY CAN GOAND PROVIDE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. HOMES IN DEER RUN , THAT COULD BE REQUIRED . AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE

PROJECT. >> AND A COMMITMENT BY THE

DEVELOPER ? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU . AND IF YOU WOULD WORK ON THOSE NUMBERS. THANK

YOU, SIR. >> AT THIS TIME I ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OUR ENGINEER, BECAUSE THE ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT IS NOT ONLY VERY EXPERIENCED, BUT ALSO VERY EXPERIENCED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IN THIS AREA OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. FROM DOMINION ENGINEERING. AS BILL IS MAKING HIS WAY UP, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT DOMINION ENGINEERING IS THE ENGINEER WHO DID THE WORK ON SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES.

HE'S DONE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE AREA.

>> MINING IS WILLIAM SHAPER . ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE ENGINEERING GROUP , SOUTHPOINT BOULEVARD , 32216.

>> BILL, IF YOU WOULD WALK TO THE STORM WATER. WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT THEM AND MAKE SURE TO ADDRESS

IT. >> YES. THANK YOU. THE STORM WATER FOR THIS PROJECT BEING COLLECTED AND DIRECTLY INTO PONDS, AND THE STORM PONDS THEMSELVES WERE DESIGNED AS SUCH TO HANDLE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PRE-AND POST INFORMATION, QUALITY TREATMENT, FROM THE ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THIS COUNTY AS WELL. ALSO, THE UNIVERSAL WATER LAWS SAY THAT WATER WAS COMING ONTO OUR SITE.

WE WOULD CAPTURE THAT WATER , INTERCEPT THE WATER, AND WE WOULDN'T BE BLOCKING IT IN ANY OF OUR ADJACENT PROPERTIES. WE GO INTO THE DETAIL DESIGN. THE STORM WATER RIGHT HERE, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE PONDS, AND WE FEEL REASONABLY COMFORTABLE THAT OUR PONDS, THEY ARE ADEQUATELY SIZED , ACTUALLY PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THEY PROBABLY NEED TO BE.

BUT THESE ARE THE SIZE OF THE PONDS, AND WE WILL BE USING THEM TO PLACE THE MID-WAYS TO GET THOSE UP. WE DON'T BELIEVE THESE ARE MEANT TO CHANGE IT ALL. AND THE STORM WATER PONDS THEMSELVES , YOU CAN SEE FROM THE COLOR IN THE EXHIBIT, THEY ARE ADJACENT TO THE GREEN AREAS. THEY WILL BE DIVERGING INTO WHAT WE CALL THE SLUICE NORTH AND SOUTH. SO THE WATER DISCHARGE WILL BE CONVEYED AWAY FROM THOSE AREAS TO THE RUN NORTH-SOUTH AND UP TO THE LARGER SLEW, AND TO THE RIVERS AND CREEKS OUT THERE. SO WE BELIEVE THE WAY THAT THIS IS LAID OUT , THE WAY THE RIDGES AND THE VALLEYS ARE, PLACING WATER IN THE NATURAL AREAS THAT NORMALLY FLOW IN. IF YOU LIKE THIS DESIGN IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL FOR ANY OF OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. I AM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SOMETIMES THE PONDS SPILL INTO ADJACENT --

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>> TELL DISCHARGE TO THE SLEEVES THAT ARE ON-SITE.

>> THINK YOU, SIR. >> IF YOU JUST HANG OUT FOR ONE MINUTE WHILE YOU HEAR OUT THIS THOUGHT. WHETHER THIS PROJECT -- AND STAFF WAS ACTUALLY PULLING IT UP ON THE FLY.

NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, THEY WERE BEING VERY HELPFUL. THE SHOWUP FLOOD ZONE THIS IS IN. AND THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT .

YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ACTUALLY A FLOOD ZONE ON THE MAP. THIS IS USING THE SAME INFORMATION THAT YOUR STAFFERS ARE USING. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN IS ACTUALLY ON A , BUT THE MAJORITY IS X'S. OUR SITE PLAN WILL SEE WHERE THE ACCESS NOW COMES ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL RATHER THAN PUTTING LOTS OF THAT AREA AS ORIGINALLY WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THAT SECTION. BILLS ACTUALLY DONE A GREAT JOB AND BEEN THOUGHTFUL OF THE ZONING. AND JUST IN GENERAL, THE SITE VERSUS THE EXISTING SITE, AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THOSE HOMES ARE

THERE -- >> YES, I BELIEVE SO. THE NOTE WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP ON THE FLOOD PLAN THAT I THINK WAS A REALLY GOOD KEY ISSUE. ANY OF THE ROADWAYS ACROSS ANY OF THE TRIBUTARIES , A COMPANY GEMINI ON THE FLOOD STUDIES AND MODELING FORWARD WE WILL BE MODELING THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POINTS OF DISCHARGE AND STORM EVENTS, WE ARE NOT CAUSING ANY HINDRANCES TO ANY OF THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO

US. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

DEAN. >> YOU MENTION THE HUNDRED YEAR STORM. SO WATER WILL GO INTO THE STORM WATER POND AND THEN GO INTO THE SLEEVES OR WETLANDS ON TOP?

>> YES, SIR. >> IT WOULDN'T BE ANY OFF-SITE

DISCHARGE? >> THERE WILL BE DISCHARGE.

THEY DETAIN THE WATER, AND WE THINK OUR POSTAGE CHARGE BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE PREDEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT WITH PREDEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE. IT RUNS SOUTH , AND ULTIMATELY, MAKES IT TOWARD THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> YES, SIR.

>> AND THEN REAL QUICK, MAY 16TH, I WILL SAY THEY COVERED FOR ME AND DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB. I THINK WE ARE SOMEWHERE NORTH OF 15 YEARS EXPERIENCE RELATED TO THIS PROJECT AT SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES. HE DID A GREAT JOB TO COVER THE ISSUES AND OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT PART OF THE PRESENTATION COVERED IN THE FLOOD ZONE. NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE STILL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION DESPITE THE CONFUSION. HE WASN'T THERE, NEITHER WAS BILL SHEAFFER. I WILL JUST SHOW THE MDP MAP AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH COLOR . THE DETAILS ON IT, IT'S 247 ACRES. YOU TAKEN SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES AND THE DENSITY WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE IN THIS AREA. I PUT THAT IN MY PRESENTATION AND I WILL BE BACK UP.

>> YES, WHO IS THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BUILD THIS OUT?

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING. I THINK WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM TARA FORD, SO SHE WILL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER COMPANY .

BUT AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPER FAMILY THAT PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO DEVELOP ABOUT 18 YEARS AGO, AND THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE. THEIR PROJECT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF COMBINED INTO SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES AND THE TIME PERIOD OF PHIL MAYS, WHO WAS WORKING ON THAT LAKES PROPERTY AND MOVING FORWARD. I GUESS YOU COULD SPECULATE AS TO

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ANYONE OF THE ROUTINES AND NEXT-DOOR, THERE'S A NUMBER OF VENDORS IN THE AREA AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHO THE

DEVELOPER IS. >> I WILL GET THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION. I WANT TO MAKE THE COMMUNITIES GO TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY USE THE ROADWAY SYSTEM TO CONNECT THE TWO COMMUNITIES?

>> IS A GOOD POINT. I THINK THE CHALLENGE FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY AT THIS STAGE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKE HAS BUILT HOMES WITHOUT THE CONNECTIVITY BEING IN PLACE. SO I THINK THROUGH EXISTING SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES, THERE'S PROBABLY A PRECEDENT IN SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES. IT WAS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT THERE WOULD BE INTERCONNECTIVIT Y, AND THE INTERCONNECTIVITY COULD BE PEDESTRIAN AT A MINIMUM TO WHERE SIDEWALKS AND FOLKS CAN WALK BACK AND FORTH. IT COULD BE EMERGENCY ACCESS. I SUPPOSE IT COULD BE FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AS LONG AS IT IS THERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A SITUATION. AND MAYBE THAT GETS ITSELF RESOLVED AT THIS STAGE. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE .

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I THINK

WE HAVE A DESIGNATED SPEAKER. >> WE DO, MA'AM.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> HOW IS EVERYONE TODAY?

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I LIVE IN 1970 CARL W STEWART ROAD. I WILL GO AHEAD AND START. THE REALLY BIG ONES, COMPATIBLE, INFRASTRUCTURE. TRY TO REMEMBER SOME OF THE SITE POINTS. I HAD EVERYTHING PREPARED . THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS WE ARE QUESTIONING , AND THIS IS ON BEHALF OF MY

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NEIGHBORS AT CARTER ROAD AND SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES. WE COME TOGETHER AND WE ARE SPEAKING AND ADVOCATING ON THEIR BEHALF.

THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS COMPATIBLE? AND I WOULD SAY, NO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE STAFF REPORT UNDER POLICY A , IT CLEARLY STATES -- AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE QUALITY OF THE STUFF. I WASN'T DOING THIS. THEY NEED TO BUY FOR CERTAIN SETBACKS FOR RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA WHERE THIS IS ALSO SHARED WITH WILDLIFE , VERY SIMILARLY WORDED , AND SPECIFIC WORDING FOR THAT. THIS IS ALL IN THE STAFF REPORT. YOU CAN SEE THEY ALSO REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT, EXPRESSING THEIR FEELINGS ON THIS. I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO READ THIS AFTER THE FACT.

MY NEXT PAGE -- AND AGAIN, WE WOULD SAY PER LDC CODE, IT'S A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , WHICH IS A .3 .11 , WHICH CLEARLY SAYS RIGHT HERE, A REZONING REQUEST SHALL NOT BE APPROVED WITH UNREASONABLE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS . I LOVE THE REPORT THEY HAD OVER THERE . THIS IS ALL THE ROADWAYS BEING ADVERSELY IMPACT FROM THE PROPOSED CHANGE.

>> EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU MAKE THAT BIGGER, PLEASE?

>> SOURCE PLENTY OF YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU USE THESE ROADS ON YOUR OWN AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY. AND EVERY ONE OF THESE, 207, 214 , THESE ROADS ARE BEING INCREASED TO ALL NOW ABOUT 100%. THIS IS BEEN OUT FOR QUITE A WHILE. IF YOU LOOK HERE, 96, 99 . I BELIEVE IT'S COMING TO 106 WERE 104. THESE ARE YOUR EXPERTS WERE TELLING YOU THAT UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN HAVE A THIRD PARTY PERSON HERE TO REPORT FOR US. I DON'T KNOW WHOSE OPINION YOU ALL ARE GOING TO TAKE, BUT I WOULD TRUST MY COUNTY AND THE EMPLOYEES OF THAT COUNTY RATHER THAN A THIRD-PARTY PAID ENTITY. SO AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS, EMAIL IT TO THEM NOW THAT THEY DIDN'T GET THE POWERPOINT. THIS IS FROM THE COUNTY. THIS WENT UP THURSDAY LAST WEEK. NOW, THIS WASN'T BROUGHT UP, AND THIS IS A HUGE DEAL FOR MY NEIGHBORS.

AND I'M ABDICATING FOR THEM . THESE PEOPLE PAID A $40,000 PREMIUM, AND THEY ACTUALLY DID NOT GET A LETTER FROM THE COUNTY THAT CLEARLY STATES THE LDC CODE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. SO AS OF WEDNESDAY OF LAST WEEK, WE ARE REACHING OUT TO THESE PEOPLE, AND ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS HERE DID NOT KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING. I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF INSULTING FROM MOVING TO THIS BEAUTIFUL TOWN AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY, THIS IS THE THIRD ITERATION THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU. IT'S BEEN PRESENTED DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUSHBACK. SO IT CLEARLY STATES POLICY A .1 .3 .11 THAT THIS HAS AN ADVERSE IMPACT ,

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AND ANYTHING THAT IS INCREASING TRAFFIC SHALL NOT BE APPROVED .

I HAVE A COUPLE MORE POINTS I WANT TO PUT. SCHOOLS ARE THE SAME RIGHT HERE. THIS IS FROM JULY OF 2024, SO IT IS OLD. BUT YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD GET TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT THIS THING IS AT CAPACITY. THEY CAN EVEN DO THE IMAGING. WHICH, AGAIN , THIS IS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. WE HAVE A NEW ONE DONE ON -- THEY JUST HAVE ONE REPORT, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE PERSONS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, AND I NOTICED THAT THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER REPORT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT GOES ON IN THE WETLANDS. IT IS HARD TO SHOW YOUR EXPERT OPINION FROM THE OPINIONS OF ALL MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE OVER 30 YEARS TO TELL US HOW THIS WATER ACTS. I CONSIDER MY NEIGHBORS EXPERT OPINIONS , ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY LIVED THERE FOR THAT LONG. DRAINAGE UNDER 8.1.2.1 IS THE STANDARD FOR THAT. I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT. BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO LOOK THAT UP. AND IN 2006, 2004/9 FOR THE COUNTY, AND THIS IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT BEHIND CARL W STEWART THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO 12 MARSH. THE COMMISSIONERS KNEW THEN THAT THERE WAS A BIG DRAINAGE ISSUE, AND THEY PAID MONEY TO HAVE THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT PUT IN FOR THESE PEOPLE AND IT HAS SINCE FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR . WHEN I TRY TO SAY IS, IT'S SHOWN IN THE PAST THAT THE COMMISSION HAS DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT'S KIND OF WEIRD NOW THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE MORE, BUT THERE'S TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED USING THAT SAME THEORETICAL DRAINAGE, WHICH GOES TO 12 MONTH SWAMP, WHICH I BELIEVE -- AND THIS IS THE FLUID MAPS THAT SHOWS LITTLE AREAS. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO NEED MY FULL 10 MINUTES. WHEN I WANT TO REITERATE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN A MUCH-NEEDED AREA. LOOK AT THE PLANS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS A 30 FOOT PRIVATE EASEMENT. THEY ARE PROPOSING THEY ARE BUILDING AROUND THIS EASEMENT AND ARE IMPACTING ANY WETLANDS. THIS WHOLE ROAD IS GOING INTO THE WETLANDS, SO THEY ARE GOING TO BUFFER A PRIVATELY OWNED EASEMENT AND THE SAID EASEMENT GOES -- PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GET ACCESS OFF THIS EASEMENT. IT'S THE COUNTY'S OBLIGATION, IT WILL BE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OBLIGATION. EVERYONE ON CARL W STEWART AND FEDERAL MAILBOXES, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT? I GOT 10 SECONDS LEFT. I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR HELP AND FOR THEIR TIME .

MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE SPEAKING FROM OUR HEART RIGHT NOW. THINK.

>> OKAY . WE ARE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR

ADDRESS. THREE MINUTES. >> DAVE STEWART . I LIVE ON STEWART ROAD. IT WAS NAMED AFTER MY FATHER. MY FAMILY AND MOST OF MY RELATIVES LIVE IN THAT WHOLE AREA. WHEN IT RAINS OUT THERE, I KNOW WHERE THE WATER GOES. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY THE WATER GOES, IT GOES EAST AND IT DOES FLOW

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NORTH. AND ON THOMPSON VALLEY ROAD, WHEN THEY PUT THAT ROAD IN, WE PAID FOR IT. THEY CUT THE END OF IT OFF. IT IS JUST SITTING THERE. USING ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO 38% -- NO. THERE'S NO JOBS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY TO BUY A HOUSE. THERE'S A LOT OF CARS COMING OUT, ABOUT TO HAVE CARS TO THREE CARS PER HOME IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN, TEENAGERS. THE LAST TIME WHEN THEY CAME IN THEIR AND BUILD THE SUBDIVISION, WE COULDN'T GET INTO OUR HOUSE. WE HAD TO DO A DETOUR. AND IT WOULD FLOOD SO BAD YOU COULDN'T GET IN THERE. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THEY PUT WATER AND SEWER? TAKE IT OUT OF THE OTHER PLACE? ON THEIR LAND? ARE THEY GOING TO COME DOWN THOMPSON VALLEY ROAD AND TO GET UP? IT WAS RIDICULOUS. A YEAR IT TOOK THEM TO FIX THAT ROAD. A YEAR. THINK ABOUT IT. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT, HAVING TO DRUM DRIVE A LOT A CONSTRUCTION SLUMP? IT'S RIDICULOUS. THERE'S A WATER DREAM THAT THE THE COUNTY NEVER COMPLETED. WE PAID FOR THAT ROAD, AND WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT THING. WHERE TO GO? THAT WATER WENT NORTH AND EAST, LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO. THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT THIS WATER RUNOFF NORTH SOUTH AND EAST, THE WATER GOES WHERE WANTS TO GO. RIGHT ON THE CORNER ON THE EAST BOUNDARY. THAT LITTLE LAKE SITTING UP THERE AT THE NORTH END, ONE THIRD OF THAT WHOLE THING, I WROTE THAT WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH MY HORSES. I WAS ON THAT LAND BEFORE I WENT INTO THE MILITARY. I JUST DON'T GET ALL THIS CRAP. Y'ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT RIGHT. YOU WANT EIGHT OR NINE CARS RIDING AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CITIZENS TO SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. I LEAVE IT 625 ST. CLAIR STREET AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES. IN MY NEIGHBORS FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD , WE WERE ALL LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE ISSUES DURING LUNCH THAT THEY HAD FACED. I MOVED HERE IN 2012 FOR A NEW JOB WITH FLORIDA SCHOOLS WORKING WITH THE DEATH AND THE BLIND. I LOVE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I LOVE BEING HERE AND SEEING U.S. COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL OF US. IN MY LATE HUSBAND DID, AS WELL. IT IS THE BEST PLACE WE HAVE EVER LIVED, AND THAT INCLUDES HONOLULU , WHERE WE LIVED FOR 7 YEARS. THE CONCERN I BRING TO YOU TODAY IS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SHARE NOT OF COMPATIBILITY, BUT OF CONNECTIVITY , PARTICULARLY, IS MY CONCERN. THE INFRASTRUCTURE ROADS ARE SIMPLY DEFICIENT AT THIS POINT, AND GETTING MORE CONGESTED BY THE MINUTE AS FOLKS FIND THEM CONVENIENT SHORTCUTS FROM OTHER PLACES TO GET DOWN TO 312 TO GET ACROSS TO 207. THEY ARE ALL SINGLE LANES. I WAS ALMOST HIT HEAD ON SUNDAY MORNING GOING INTO TOWN BY RJ MURRAY WHEN I ROUNDED A BLIND CORNER AND A CAR CAME AT ME IMPATIENTLY CROSSING THE YELLOW LINE TO GET AROUND SLOWER TRAFFIC. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT FRIGHTENING.

ALREADY, IT IS CHALLENGING TO MAKE TURNS ON THAT ROAD, EITHER TO HOLMES BOULEVARD, WHICH A FOUR MILE ROAD. AND PEOPLE MAKE DANGEROUS DECISIONS. I BELIEVE THAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FAR BETTER SERVED BY A DIRECT CONNECTION TO 16 , NOT GOING TO THE SIDE ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY OVER 100%. SO I URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL THROUGH SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES AND THE SURROUNDING SMALLER ROADS.

AGAIN, I THINK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF ST.

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JOHNS COUNTY AND YOUR TIME TO HEAR MY CONCERNS . A VERY HAPPY HOMEOWNER, HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I DID CC EVERYONE OF YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE MY HUSBAND AND I'S CONCERNS. I LIVE IN 1850 PREMIER ROAD. WE LIVED THERE 21 YEARS. WE MOVED OFF OF 207 TO THEIR BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO TOWN, AND IT WAS LIKE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY. WE WERE PLANNING ON MOVING. DEER RUN ROAD WAS CLOSED FOR 18 MONTHS. WE HEAR ALL THE TIME COMPLAINING, WE ONLY HAVE ONE IN AND OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION. THE ATTORNEY FOR THAT PLACE NEVER CALLED HIM. WE NEVER GOT ANY RESPONSE. ALL THE PEOPLE BACK HERE USE ONE ROAD.

MY FATHER WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. I HAD TO ASK THEM, PLEASE LET ME OUT. I HAVE AN EMERGENT FEE. I STILL HAD TO WAIT FOR 10 MINUTES. MY HUSBAND AND I WROTE A LETTER. I'M SORRY, I'M NERVOUS. WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT COMPLETELY. OUR CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS THE INCREASE TO TRAFFIC , NO PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, 376 HOMES. ALSO, OUR PROPERTY ON PREMIER ROAD WITH THE INSTRUCTION WILL BE RIGHTLY AFFECTED. THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT AT THIS TIME EVEN TO GET ONTO THE BOULEVARD FROM DEER RUN. DEER RUN TO FOUR MILE. THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD AND DANGEROUS , AS THE OTHER LADY HAD SAID. GROWTH IN THIS COUNTY IS BEYOND OUT-OF-CONTROL AND OUT OF HAND. YOU NEED TO SLOW THE GROWTH AND TACKLE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST. I WALK THREE MILES EVERY DAY, SIX DAYS A WEEK, SO I SEE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS COME FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES, WHERE THEY GO, AND THE SPEED THAT GOES ON.

SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE I'M GOING TO DROP INTO THE LAKE BECAUSE OF THE SPEEDING THAT GOES ON IN THE TRAFFIC. IT IS CONSTANT TRAFFIC. HALF OF THEM GO TO DEER RUN AND GO TO FOUR MILE AVENUE. I DON'T EVEN USE THAT LANE, BECAUSE IT IS SO DANGEROUS WITH PEOPLE COMING OFF THE 16. I'M SORRY, WE NEED TO OPPOSE THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> 1195 , AND 1205 THOMPSON VALLEY ROAD. I'VE BEEN A ST.

JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT SINCE 1988 . THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK , BECAUSE YOU ARE OUR FUTURE. I WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF THIS MEETING , SO I'M RUNNING STRAIGHT FROM WORK. I HAVE MY RUBBER BOOTS ON, BECAUSE IT'S WET OUT THERE. I READ SOME OF THE PROPOSED PLANS, AND MY PROPERTY IS ALSO HOME TO MY BUSINESS, WHICH IS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING SINCE 1998. I AM A CANINE TRAINER AND PROVIDE SERVICES . HAVING SAID, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. I LOVE RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE, AND SENSIBLE GROWTH. HAVING MORE TRAFFIC IS A PLUS . MORE EXPOSURE.

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AND 4 MILE TO DEER RUN. BOTH ARE EITHER AT 150% CAPACITY JUST BY ME SCANNING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE I GOT HERE. SO HAVING THAT SAID, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE SUBDIVISION. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PROPER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT HAPPENING AT ALL, AND WE WOULD LIKE THAT ON THE RADAR, AS WELL AS A SOLUTION OF MAYBE CUTTING ANOTHER ROAD ECKSTEIN ON 0.3 STRETCH OF TWO LANE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I'M REALLY NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT , BUT KNOWING THAT HE WAS NOT THERE AND I DIDN'T GET TO TALK TO HIM, HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR 13 YEARS. I AM VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION THAT HE HAS HAD WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. NOBODY WANTS FOR THINGS TO JUST GROW UP, BUT FOR THOSE YEARS, I WONDER HOW THE COMMUNICATION , WHAT IT HAS BEEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WHAT ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE PLAN AND ANSWERING SOME OF THEIR VERY VALID CONCERNS HERE TODAY . THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU.

>> SUZANNE , 409 LAUREL WAY. THIS IS NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I REMEMBER DRIVING UP THROUGH THAT WHEN I MOVED TO SAINT AUGUSTINE 25 YEARS AGO . LOOKING AT A PLAN WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF WETLAND CONSERVED, BUT THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONSERVE IT, BECAUSE IT IS WET. THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO TRY TO PUT WHAT HOUSES THEY CAN AND GET THEIR MONEY OUT OF THIS. THAT DOES NOT FLOW TO THE INTERCOASTAL . IT'S GONE THAT WAY AS FAR AS I'VE KNOWN BACK TO THE SWAMP LAND. TO THE INTERCOASTAL. AND I AM LOOKING HERE. WE GET 376 HOMES . WHAT KIND OF HOMES ARE THEY? A LOT OF TRAFFIC . LOTS OF TRAFFIC.

ANYTHING ALONG THE 16, WENT TO GO OUT THAT WAY UNTIL THEY GET THAT EXTENSION BUILT AT THE DEAD ENDS AND THAT EVERYBODY ON HOMES, THEY GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

WHAT KIND OF PUBLIC BENEFIT DO WE GET ? I AM WILLING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC. I HAVE SAID THAT BEFORE, AND YOU'LL HEAR THAT YOU FEEL FOR ME AT THE END OF THE MEETING. I AM WILLING TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC AS LONG AS THE TRAFFIC MOVES. WHEN YOU GOT VOLUME AND YOU'VE GOT INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE VERY CLOSE, YOU GET OFF 16, AND THAT NEXT TURN, YOU BETTER LOOK REAL QUICK, OR YOU MISSED IT. THAT AREA IS VERY, VERY CONGESTED, AND I'M WILLING TO DO WITH THAT IF THEY CAN SHOW ME A PUBLIC BENEFIT. I'M NOT HEARING THE DETAILS. I'M KIND OF SURPRISED, BECAUSE USUALLY IT IS VERY THOROUGH WITH ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S READY.

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IS IT GOING TO CONNECT? BUT YOU WILL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION .

>> IN AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNT. THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT BACKS UP WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT WHERE THE FLOODWATER GOES. RIGHT THERE ON NINE MILE ROAD JUST PAST MARK LIND AND BEN LAKES.

IT WIDENS, AND THE DRAINAGE IS GETTING IMPROVED BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO BIG DEVELOPMENTS. THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES.

ANOTHER ISSUE ABOUT THAT AREA, IT WAS BROUGHT BACK UP IN 2022, WHEN THE ST. JOHNS STATE COLLEGE MEMBERS CAME IN TO CONCLUDE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THAT AREA. IT GOES BACK TO THE FERVOR OF THE STATE ROAD 16 PUD THAT WAS RIGHT THERE AT THE 16 INTERSECTION. AND 400 HOMES WOULD BE GOING IN THERE.

OKAY, THERE WE GO. OKAY. AS I SAID, THIS IS FROM THE STATE ROUTE 16 PUD, AND RIGHT THERE. SO BACK IN 2022, THAT'S WHEN THIS WAS DONE. HEAVILY CONGESTED , HOLMES ROAD, AND THEN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, RIGHT THERE, THERE'S ONE FORMER PUD . THERE'S AN ENTRY AND EXIT POINT ON 16. THAT IS ADDING WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT THE HEAVY CONGESTION IN THAT AREA. WHERE ELSE WOULD HE GO? YOU HAVE 400 HOMES BEHIND IT. HOW LONG IS UP AT 416 IS WIDENED INTO THAT SECTION? BUT THIS IS THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF PUTTING JUST 400 FORMS IN THIS LITTLE CORNER OF THIS HEAVY INTERSECTION , AND THEN THE TRAFFIC WILL BE CONGESTED ON THAT AREA. THANK YOU.

>> YOU HAVE MET WITH DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVES -- YOU MET WITH DEVELOPER PEOPLE -- LEGISLATIVE HISTORY. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY SAY. WE TALK ABOUT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. DID THEY SAY WHAT THE LOBBYIST ONCE TOLD SENATOR GARY HART ?

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>> PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK. STOP THE CLOCK, YOUR INTERRUPTING.

>> YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER. >> YOUR INTERRUPTING. 33 COMMUNITIES IN THIS COUNTY -- 33 COMMUNITIES IN THIS COUNTY HAVE BAD DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. AND WHAT CAUSED THAT? ONE PARTY RULED, AND WE HAD AN ENGINEER WHO WASN'T EVEN AN ENGINEER.

YOU DON'T EVEN ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO SEE THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY. WHAT WE HEARD FROM MR. BURNETT I THINK JUSTIFIES THIS . LOOK IT UP. THANK YOU.

>> MICHAEL MCDONALD. MY FIRST CONCERN WITH THIS PROJECT IS GETTING ON THE STATE ROAD 16 BY THE COUNTY UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. THOSE PEOPLE NOT FOUR MY ROAD MY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. MAYBE THEY CAN SNEAK OUT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE BURDEN. PEOPLE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEM BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THAT U.S. ONE BEARS . THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO TAKE 312 THROUGH THERE. THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT ADEQUATE.

I HATE TO SEE PROJECTS BUILT TO RUIN OUR COMMUNITIES WAY OF LIFE. THAT IS WHY TAKES AN HOUR TO GET FIVE, 10 MILES AT A TIME. OBVIOUSLY, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT SCENARIOS. IF WE KEEP ALLOWING THESE 400 HOMES IN THE REZONING HERE AND REZONING THERE, THAT'S WHERE WERE GOING TO WIND UP WITH JUST EVERY INTERSECTION IN FRONT OF EVERY BUILDING . SO I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN DENY THIS ONE, AND HE'S GOING TO BUILD WHAT HE'S GOING TO BUILD . I HOPE YOU GUYS DENY THIS ONE. I HOPE I AM NOT BURDENED BY THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

>> BY MS. MARY ROBINSON. I LIVE ON POWELL ROAD. THIS BOARD WASN'T HERE WHEN I GOT HERE. I PERSONALLY INTERACTED WITH BILL MAYS, YOU ARE NOT THE ONE LIVING THERE. HE WILL BUILD AND MAKE YOUR MONEY AND WE ARE THE ONE LEFT TO PICK UP THE PIECES. THEY DIDN'T BUILD IN THAT PROPERTY UNTIL 20 YEARS LATER, WHEN THEY MADE THEIR MONEY.

IS NOT FUNCTIONING. I HAVE PICTURES THAT I HAVE TAKEN THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. WHILE THERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT

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ROAD , WE'VE NEVER HAD HE WROTE SHUT OFF HER THAT LONG.

>> OF YOUR PICTURES, PUT THEM ON THE CENTER PODIUM.

>> OKAY. WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT -- THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, OKAY? THIS IS THOMPSON BAILEY . THIS IS THEM OVER HERE TO GET THIS MARSHLAND TO GET IT STABILIZED TO EVEN MAKE IT GO INTO ARCADIA LAKE. 2021 IS WHEN THAT PICTURE WAS. YOU SEE HOW MUCH DIRT THEY BROUGHT IN? BESIDES, THERE'S AN EVIL THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUILDING EVERYTHING HERE.

>> 1975 POWELL ROAD. MY NAME IS SABRINA ROBINSON. I'D JUST LIKE TO BRING UP A COUPLE POINTS THAT I'VE NOTICED . ONE THING I DID WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF , ON THE VERY END OF THOMPSON BAILEY, IT'S ON THE VERY END OF IT. SO THIS IS AT THE VERY END. THERE IS NO REAL ROAD TOWARDS IT. ABOUT 30.51 ACCORDING TO MY SCREEN. FROM DETAILED PERSPECTIVE ON THE COMPUTER LAPTOP , THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 45 FEET AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 80 FEET. MY MAIN CONCERN IS FIRE TRUCKS. MY DAD PASSED AWAY WHEN I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD AND WE ALREADY HAD A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING FIRETRUCKS DOWN THERE. I'M CONCERNED OF PEOPLE GOING FURTHER DOWN THERE . I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS SAFE. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OUR AREA IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FAMILY AND INTERPERSONAL RELATIONS OF EVERYONE IN THE AREA. THE POINT THAT ZEKE HAD TRIED MENTIONING EARLIER BUT RAN OUT OF TIME TO TO DIFFICULTIES, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BROUGHT UP WITHIN CONSTRUCTION. THEY WERE DENIED BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO ROADS THAT WERE OVER 100%. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT CLEAR, WHY ARE WE THEN DENYING ? I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

5? >> HI, MY NAME IS JOHN MCGUIRE.

I AM A DEVELOPER. BUT I AM UNDERSTANDING WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING. WE RECENTLY APPROVED 52 UNITS OFF OF DEER RUN ROAD.

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THIS IS THE SAME AS WHAT WE ARE HEARING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS IN FLORIDA. IT'S ALWAYS A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROBLEM. IF THE DEVELOPER -- I MEAN, IF THEY CAN CORRECT THE STRUCTURE, IT ALMOST SEEMS YOU GOT TO FIX THE TRAFFIC. ON DEER RUN ROAD.

TAKING A LIFE IN YOUR HANDS, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. AND I MET WITH MR. DESOUSA AT THE 16 AND 4 MILE. DEVELOPERS STRAIGHTEN OUT THE ROAD, NO PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC. IT'S MANAGED. AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS -- THAT'S ALL I

GOT TODAY. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> JUST TO CIRCLE BACK, THE PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN TO MR. BURNETT, WHICH IS WHY NONE OF

US HAD IT. >> THE REASON I ASK IT IN THAT MANNER IS THAT I DIDN'T RECEIVE THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. OTHERWISE, I WOULD'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE OBJECT IN GENERAL, MAYBE SOME CONCESSIONS. I HAD A NICE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH HIM , BUT THAT WAS IT. I'M NOT SURE.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. THAT IS JUST WHAT HE MENTIONED

TO US. >> WHEN DID YOU REACH OUT TO MR. WILLIAMS, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING?

>> I CAN TELL YOU THE EXACT TIME. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS WEDNESDAY , AND IN FACT, WE BOTH HAD MEETINGS ARRANGED OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WOULD MEET EACH OTHER ON THURSDAY IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO MEETINGS. IT WAS A 1:00 MEETING, AND THAT A BREAK. AND THEN IN FACT, I SAW HIM IN THE HALLWAY ACCOUNTING OFFICES AND SAID, HEY, I WILL MEET WITH YOU THIS MORNING. I SAID, OKAY.

>> BUT TO CLARIFY, YOU DIDN'T REACH OUT TO HIM UNTIL LAST

WEEK? >> THAT IS CORRECT. NO ONE HAS GIVEN ME A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, THOUGH.

>> I'M JUST ASKING. >> GOTCHA. . DID YOU WANT TO

PUT YOURS UP FIRST? >> TO THE CHAIR , TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OF -- SORRY FOR THE SCRUTINY. I DIDN'T HAVE A NOTEPAD I COULD WRITE CLEARLY ON. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING PLUS THE RESERVE TRAFFIC , AND THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO AT 5.75% AND AN APPROXIMATE 103. 62.2 , TRAFFIC IS LIMITED 60.8%. THAT MAKES IT A TOTAL OF 163 POINT. 167.1 , THAT CHANGES TO 100%. THAT MAKES IT APPROXIMATELY 104.7 PERCENT .

LINK 67 , THE RESERVE IS 94.3. THAT'S BASICALLY 103.7 AND THAT'S AFTER TRAFFIC IS INCLUDED IN THE MIX. CENTRAL 16 . THAT INCLUDES EXISTING , PLUS THE RESERVE. MAKES IT A TOTAL OF 175.65. YOU LOOKING 163% . THAT'S AT 2.1%. AND THAT MAKES

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IT 165%. THE EXISTING RESERVE IS 104.7 , AND THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.88% . EXISTING PLUS RESERVE IS 105% . AND THAT MAKES IT 106.63%. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. YOU KNOW HOW YOU HAVE A TOWN MEETING .

CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ] ABOU MEETING, I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM. SO, THAT IS SORT OF THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU, RELATED TO THAT. FOR THAT PUBLIC MEETING I THINK MANY OF THE CONCERNS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BASIC TRAFFIC, AND THINGS, WE NEED TO DO IT MORE SO THAN INDIVIDUALLY WITH THE PUBLIC.

SO, ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO, IF I MIGHT THROTTLE RAJ, THE TRAFFIC IS TWO ISSUES. THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT BE D CELL LANES, LEFT TURN LANES, THOSE THINGS AND PROJECT WE DO JUST IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF GETTING THIS APPROVAL, CORRECT? AND THAT IS TRUE WHETHER IT IS A RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YES? SO, THE OTHER ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, WHEN WE DRAW THIS FOUR MILE CIRCLE OUTCOME OF THOSE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE GENERATE THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED, THE STATE HAS ADOPTED A SYSTEM WHEREBY THE DEVELOPER GOES THROUGH THE CONCURRENCY SHARING PROCESS, CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, YES. >> AND AS FAR AS THIS PROJECT, THAT WILL FIT THAT SAME BUBBLE, YES?

>> CORRECT. >> AND THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON GENERATIVE NUMBERS RELATED TO THIS , YES?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, YES. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU, RAJ. I WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER, RELATED TO THE PROJECT, IF WE COULD GET THE POWERPOINT BACK UP TO THAT. WE HAVE LIKE, A DOUBLE LOGO SLIDE HERE. PERFECT. I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME NUMBERS BECAUSE SO OFTEN WHAT IS PRESENT IN OUR COUNTY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, IS LET'S TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING, IN GENERAL. YOU GET AWAY FROM THE COUNTY'S TECHNICAL TERMS, BUT IF YOU GO ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, AND YOU SEE WHAT THEY ARE SELLING, AND THE PRICES ARE $340,000 TO $654,000. THE $654,000 HOUSE WITH 5% DOWN, 10% DOWN, WITHOUT SOME SORT OF FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE, YOUR MORTGAGE ON A 30 YEAR TERM, 5% RATE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT $2000 A MONTH. THIS IS REALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO TARGET FOR HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT FILLS A NEEDED SECTOR.

BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU HAVE SEEN WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH'S OF AUGUSTINE LAKES. YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO FILL A NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY. I WILL ASK BILL SHEAFFER TO COME JOIN ME TO TALK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE AND FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WITH REGARDS TO FLOODING, THESE SAND RIDGES AND SLOUGHS, THEY RUN NORTH TO SOUTH, AND ULTIMATELY THAT RUNS

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OUT INTO THE COASTAL CREEKWAY, THAT IS THE WAY THIS DRAINS, RIGHT HERE. THERE ARE AREAS OF THIS THAT GO NORTH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTOUR MAPS ON ALL OF THE LARGER MAPS, IT STILL DRAINS, AND THAT IS THE WAY THIS PROJECT WILL DRAIN. IT WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP DRAINING IN THE WAY IT GOES. WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE DIRECTION OF ANY OF THE WATER FLOWING. WITH REGARDS TO MS. SILVA, WHO CAME OUT HERE AND SPOKE, WE PUT MS. CULBERTSON ON THE ENTRANCE ROAD COMING IN TO DRAIN HER PROPERTY SO I TOLD HER THAT I WILL GET OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT COLBERT'S WERE PUT UNDER THE HIT ROAD BECAUSE THE ROADS WERE UP HIGH SO WE PUT THOSE CULPRITS IN TO DRAIN HER PROPERTY SOUTH. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF IT. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ON THAT PROPERTY HERE.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND THEN, A FEW SLIDES FOR POINTS OF REBUTTAL, INTERCONNECTIVITY SHOWING THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE POTENTIAL INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR THOSE MASSIVE TWO PROJECTS IN THE AREA. AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT BETTER LOOK OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. ACTUALLY, IT IS FURTHER ALONG. COMPATIBILITY IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA AND WHAT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU LOOK AT O.R. CURRENTLY AND IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIS AREA THAT IS RESIDENTIAL, MINING EXTRACTION, AND MOST OF THOSE AREA HOMES WERE MARINA HOMES.

CONCRETE TO MAKE SHELL DRIVEWAYS, THAT IS A LOT OF IT.

COMPATIBILITY WISE, IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE. 850 HOMES IN THIS PRECISE AREA, 4.7 UNITS PER ACRE. I WILL SKIP PAST THIS BECAUSE THE DAY IS LONG. YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU TAKE THESE THREE PROJECTS, AND THE ONE THAT IS BEFORE YOU, YOU HAD A POTENTIAL FOR 850 UNITS, NOW YOU ARE AT 247 MORE ACRES, 48 UNITS IN AN AREA THAT IS RESIDENTIAL ONLY AND YOUR DENSITY IS NOWHERE NEAR THAT NUMBER. SO MANY TIMES, THE PROJECTS COME IN THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY AND WE POINT THIS OUT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. THIS PROJECT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT ACTUALLY HAS SIGNIFICANCE, YOUR FUTURE LAND USE, SHOWS WHERE THE DEVELOPERS ARE, AND IT SHOWS AROUND THOSE AREAS. OUR PROJECT WAS WELL WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT IS IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS HOW YOU CONTROL THIS, THAT IS WHERE THE COUNTY SHALL PROMOTE UNTIL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS WHERE THE COUNTY SHALL ENCOURAGE URBAN AND SUBURBAN ROADS. THAT IS WHY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT LANGUAGE IS DIFFERENT WHICH IS WHY WE GET TO A PROPHET AREA WHERE SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES WAS APPROVED AND WHERE YOU HAD 4.7 UNITS PER ACRE. I WILL ASK TARR FLOYD TO JOIN ME UP HERE FOR A MOMENT. AS SHE IS MAKING HER WAY UP HERE, I WILL SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS. THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE IN 2005, ALMOST

20 YEARS AGO. >> HI, I AM TARR FLOYD. TARR FLOYD, I AM -- OKAY. REPRESENTING THE OWNERSHIP GROUP AND AS DOUG MENTIONED, MY FATHER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY NEW. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS NOW, WAITING FOR THE TIME TO BE RIGHT. BUT, FAMILY BUSINESS, DOUG MENTIONED ABOUT TWO DECADES AGO, SO, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN WE REALLY STARTED THINKING THAT I MIGHT BE RIGHT, WE WENT THROUGH A THOUGHTFUL, ITERATIVE PROCESS, HIRED CONSULTANTS, QUALIFIED FOLKS WHO KNOW MUCH MORE THAN I DO ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND DRAINAGE, AND ALL OF THESE THINGS. STARTED CREATING A SITE PLAN.

SO, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH FIVE ITERATIONS TO GET IT TO WHERE IT IS TODAY, TO TRY TO PRESERVE THOSE -- TO GIVE IT A

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NICE FEEL, RIGHT? TRYING TO KEEP IT AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE.

SO, I REALLY LOVE IT. I KNOW THIS IS AN UNPOPULAR OPINION, BUT WE ARE EXCITED TO --

>> THANK YOU, TARA. THAT IS THE ONE PERSON THAT HAS BEEN QUARTERBACKING THIS PROCESS, THE CONSULTANTS. AND WITH THAT, I'LL JUST LEAVE YOU A GENERAL MAP WITH THE COLOR. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHILE WE ARE ALL HERE IN THE SAME ROOM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I ASK MR. BURNETT -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS FOLLOW-UP WITH THAT LADY -- I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO GET TOGETHER. NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REACH OUT TO HER AND HAVE MY STAFF COME BACK WITH A FOLLOW-UP REPORT. BECAUSE I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OFFICE IS GOING TO CHECK THIS OUT ON THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> ABSOLUTELY, COMMISSIONER

DEAN. NO PROBLEM. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, I WILL JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THAT WITH THIS COMMENT, AS WELL. IF WE WERE TO GIVE THE BOARD UNCONDITIONAL APPROVAL TODAY, THE CARTER ROAD ASSOCIATES PROJECTS WILL ALSO LOOK AT THE ISSUES IF IT IS NOT IN.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> CHAIR ZEKE? COULD YOU COME UP A BIT? WE HAVE TO MOVE ON, WE BARELY STARTED THE AGENDA, WE ARE IN A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING, SO I CAN ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. THE THINGS YOU PRESENTED, THE

THINGS WE DISCUSSED. >> LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

>> YES, SIR. SO, YOU HAVE A LEGAL WEAPON -- TO FIRE WEAPONS IN THE PROPERTY, IS THAT COMMON PRACTICE?

>> IT IS VERY COMMON PRACTICE. THERE ARE A LOT OF O.R. ZONING USAGES WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE SHOOTING THE TO THEM AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

>> I LIVE IN SUBURBS ALL MY LIFE, IF YOU LIVED IN THE SUBURBS AND YOU ARE A KID LIKE ME, WE DON'T LIKE GUNSHOTS GOING OFF. I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN TO THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH, I

HAVE SEEN THEM THERE. >> THEY ARE VERY LOUD. THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR O.R. ZONING TO MAINTAIN THAT AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE -- THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ALLOWANCES RIGHT THERE, IT WOULD BE A BIG CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

>> ZEKE, DO YOUR NEIGHBORS BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY ADVERSE

IMPACTS? >> YES. THE EXISTING SYMPOSIUM.

>> I GOT OVER FIVE PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE I HAVEN'T MET THIS MORNING, WITH PICTURES, SAYING WHO THEY ARE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME UP HERE AND SHOW Y'ALL. BUT, THEY REACHED OUT TO ME, THERE IS A LOT OF ADVERSE FLOODING, AND IT ALL MOVES TO --

SWAMP. EVERYTHING MOVES WEST. >> THANK YOU, ZEKE. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD REALLY QUICK. AND WHEN I TOOK MY TOUR, I SAW SOME THINGS THAT GIVE ME SOME CAUSE FOR CONCERN. IF THERE IS NO JUDGMENT, COULD WE HAVE STAFF GO OUT THERE AND CHECK THAT -- THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY DECISION ON THE PROJECT, BUT JUST BECAUSE WE ARE ON TOP, COULD WE MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH WATER DISTRICT LAWS, AND OUR POLICIES? YES? OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY DOES THIS GET TAKEN CARE OF, BUT YOU WANT TO FOLLOW-UP FOR MR. SCHAFER, THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CONCERNS, THE TOUR THEY TOOK ME ON, I AM NOT AN EXPERT, NOR DID I CLAIM TO BE, BUT I LIKE TO SEE OUR STAFF WHO ARE EXPERTS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

MADAM CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.

>> THIS IS MY DISTRICT AND I CAN SAY I HAVE EXTREME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, NOT JUST FOR THE TRAFFIC, BUT THE ROAD IS WET, WET, WET AND I KNOW EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY IS WET RIGHT NOW

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AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ALWAYS HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM, CONTINUE TO HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM, SO I WILL CONTINUE TO DENY PUD 2023-14, THE PRESERVE AT SAINT AUGUSTINE LAKES, BASED

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ON THE FACTS PRESENTED. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN. ALSO QUASIJUDICIAL.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NO EMAILS, NO MEETINGS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAD NO EMAILS, I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH ZACH MILLER, JUST KIND OF GOING OVER ANY SOME LAST MINUTE QUESTIONS, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JESSE GILBERT, AND HAD A MEETING WITH BETSY WEINSTEIN, SHE WAS A

RESIDENT. >> OKAY, I HAD NO EMAILS, AS WELL. I HAD A MEETING WITH THE OFFICE OF ZACH MILLER AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JUSTIN GILBERT. COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST? >> I HAD TWO PHONE CALLS WITH ZACH MILLER TO DISCUSS LOCATION FOR POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS, FOR CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS, AND WHAT MR. MILLER DID TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS AND I ALSO GOT A CALL FROM BASICALLY THE SAME TOPICS OF CONVERSATION.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I HAD A MEETING WITH ZACH MILLER, THE SAME PERSON YOU JUST MENTIONED AND ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL FROM JESSE GILBERT. ONE EMAIL.

>> OKAY. >> IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE, REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY. BACKGROUND, TWO PROJECTS, TWO APPLICATIONS, THIS CONFERENCE PLANNED AMENDMENT, THE ENTIRE IS PUD. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TALKING ABOUT, A LITTLE BIT WEST OF ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY. THE SATELLITE IMAGE IS A LITTLE OLD. YOU CAN SEE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND IT IS NOT ALL DEVELOPED, YET. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS A LOT. IT IS THE CUL-DE-SAC PART OF THE URBAN CROSSING AREA.

WHAT ARE WE DEVELOPING? WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST. I LIKE THIS SHOT, BACKUP TO THE CCB PROPERTY AND THEN APARTMENTS TO THE EAST. IT IS ZONED OR, SURROUNDED BY PROPERTY THAT IS CCB, THE ENTIRE AREA. SO, WHAT WE ARE HERE ON IS A PROPOSAL FOR NONRESIDENTIAL. WE AGREED TO LIVE LOCAL ON IT FOR NONRESIDENTIAL. 148,500 SQUARE FEET AND 120,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT IS GOING TO BE SELF STORAGE. THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU A FLAVOR FOR HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO THE BONES, ABOUT 520 FEET TO THE BACKYARD OF THE NEAREST.

AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THESE BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A MOMENT. IT IS ABOUT 270 FEET TO THE CLOSEST BUILDING FROM THAT HOME. THEY ARE ABOUT 490 FEET AWAY FROM THE EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEXES. BETWEEN THE BROTHERS AND I WILL CALL IT THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY, IT IS MOSTLY WOODED AREA. MOST OF THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE DURBAN CROSSING CCB, SO THAT IS NOT ON OUR PROPERTY. THERE IS A LITTLE SLIVER JUST TO THE WEST WHICH WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS PART OF OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR REQUIREMENT. A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE SITE. I FOUND THIS PRETTY INTERESTING BECAUSE NOW THE SATELLITE SHOWS THE HISTORY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT HALF AN ACRE AND PRIMARILY IT WILL BE IN THIS LOCATION IN FRONT OF IT. I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IN 2007, YOU COULD SEE THERE WERE NO WHAT ONES ON THE SITE AND ACTUALLY CREATED BY THAT CULTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT CLEARCUTTING THE PROPERTY. THIS IS JUST A ZOOM IN OF THE AREA, YOU CAN SEE NOT WETLANDS AT THE TIME.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT BECAME WETLANDS. IN 2008, 2010, 2014 AND YOU SEE BY 2016, THE SITE WAS APPROVED FOR ITS CURRENT

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USE. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, MOST OF THE TREES THAT WERE AT THIS SITE HAVE ALREADY CLEARED. MOST OF THE AREAS WE ARE TOUCHING AND BUILDING ON HAVE ALREADY HAD TREES CLEARED.

SO, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR 180,000 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL. IF YOU NOTICE, IT WAS A FOUR STORY BUILDING IN FRONT, AND THEN THREE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS TO THE REAR, AND THEN A THIRD STORY BUILDING THAT IS CLOSEST.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE CUL-DE-SAC NOT TOO FAR FROM IT. IN MAY, WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, WE HAD IT AT THE LIBRARY OFF OF 13TH AND I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 10 HOUSEHOLDS THAT SHOWED UP, AND THEIR PRIMARY INJECTION WAS THE BUILDING THAT WAS CLOSEST, THE TWO STORY BUILDING, SO WE ELIMINATED THAT BUILDING. I SENT THEM MY SITE PLAN, AND THEY HAD PROBLEMS, THEY STILL HAD PROBLEMS. SO, WE WENT BACK AND REVISED IT AGAIN. I BROUGHT THEM DOWN TO ONE STORY. BUT, 20 FEET. THE HOPE WAS, OKAY, THAT'S THE NEIGHBORS AND WE FIND THEY WEREN'T, SPOILER. IT MEANS THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDATION. SO, MYSELF AND MY CLIENT, WHEN THEY MET WITH NEIGHBORS AT THEIR HOME, AGAIN, PROBABLY 14 IN 20 PEOPLE, AND WE WENT TO EACH OF THE HOMES COME IN THEIR BACKYARDS, TOOK PICTURES, TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT CONCERNS WERE AND THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED BASED ON CONVERSATIONS AND THESE PLANS WERE LAST-MINUTE AND I THINK WE SUBMITTED THESE THE SECOND WEEK IN JULY. THE PRIMARY EDITIONS WERE WE ADDED AN ENHANCED BUFFER NEAR THE WETLANDS NEAR BUILDING FOUR AND FIVE WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE.

BUT, JUST SOUTH IS WHERE THE BRUMMERS, AND , AND THE CLINTONS LIVE. SO, WE ALSO ADDED, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH THE AREA, AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE WE MADE, WE PUT A CONDITION -- HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE WETLANDS. YOU CAN SEE THE THREE RESIDENCES AS AN ENHANCED BUFFER. BUT, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE ADDED IS THE SIDING OF THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE LOCKED IN NO MORE THAN 35 FEET MEANING THE BUILDING THAT IS LOCATED HERE, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ENGINEER THEM MORE THAN FIVE FEET. GIVEN THE LOCATION FROM THE NEAREST HOMES IS SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET, THE NEIGHBORS APPRECIATED THAT BECAUSE IT SHOWED WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE, WHERE THE ENHANCED BUFFER IS GOING TO BE. THEY KNOW THAT THEIR VIEW IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. AND I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUILDING THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE -- MOST LIKELY, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE LOW DENSITY COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE SPACE. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE BRUMMERS' HOUSE. LOOKING A LITTLE BIT NORTHEAST. YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF TOPS OF THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE REAR, THOSE ARE THREE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, SO OUR BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THIS ARE MUCH SHORTER. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS THE LINE BUILDING THE ENHANCED BUFFER.

SO, I SENT THIS TO THE BRUMMERS, AND MR. BRUNNER SAID BASED ON THESE CHANGES, THEY NO LONGER HAVE ANY ISSUES. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE PLANCOS, WHO LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE BACK. I EMAILED THEM THE PLANS, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY WERE COPIED ON THAT EMAIL. I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE A HEAVILY WOODED AREA BETWEEN THEM AND THE PARCEL. I WILL STAY THEY STILL HAVE THE ENHANCED BUFFER ON TOP OF THAT. IT THINS OUT A LITTLE BIT DURING THE

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WINTERTIME AND SOME ADVANCED PLANNING SHOULD HELP WITH THAT.

THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE POOL DECK OF THAT AREA, YOU CAN SEE THAT IS THE BUFFER ZONE. I SENT THEM THE REVISED SITE PLAN.

THEY WANT A JUMPED -- OBJECT TO THESE ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS.

THAT IS PART OF THE JOB, SO --

>> THE OTHER CHANGES, IN THE AGENDA PACKET, THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED AND JUST HAD GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES FOR 20,000 SQUARE FEET SO THEY HAD THE COMMERCIAL USES OUT THERE, IT IS PRETTY AMAZING. WE PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE OR GAS STATION WITHIN 700 FEET, GOT RID OF ALL OF THE AUTOMOTIVE USES EXCEPT FOR THE CAR WASH, THAT IS A SMALL PART OF THE PROJECT. IT IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE SELF STORAGE. WE HAVE RAJ HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. BUT, LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE YOUR PARKING STANDARDS FOR SELF STORAGE ARE ACTUALLY ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 7000 UNITS OF SPACE. WE HAVE DAVID TAYLOR HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ONE POINT, JUST TO BRING UP, EVEN THOUGH THE BACK PART OF THE PARCEL IS RULE-CIVIL CULTURE, THAT POND HAS GOT TO BE RESIZED A LITTLE BIT. IT IS PRIMARILY TOWARD THE UPPER HALF

OF THIS. >> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN.

>> WAIT -- >> YEAH, SIX AND SEVEN. YEAH.

>> SEE NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY, THIS BRINGS US BACK TO THE FLOOR.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> READY TO MOVE, IF YOU ARE.

>> YES. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2024-43 APPROVING CPA SMALL-SCALE AND 2023-12, ALSOP RACETRACK ROAD COMMERCIAL FOR PUD.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE, THOUGH. THAT PASSES, 4-1.

[8. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2023-03 Marsh Landing Golf Course Lot. Request for a Major Modification to the Marsh Landing PUD (ORD. 1975-15, as amended) to convert approximately 1.9 acres of golf course to one (1) single-family lot along Kingfisher Drive. This item was heard at the regularly scheduled February 1, 2024 Planning and Zoning Hearing and was continued with a vote of 7-0. The original request was for four single-family homes but has since been reduced to one single- family home on the Kingfisher parcel. The item was heard at the regularly scheduled August 1, 2024, Planning and Zoning Hearing and was approved with a vote of 4-2. Agency members discussed a variety of issues including compatibility, viewsheds, drainage, and site design.]

>> PULLING UP THE NEXT MOTION. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2024

DASH -- >> 44.

>> ALSOP RACETRACK ROAD PUD BASED ON 10 FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED WITHIN STAFF REPORT. >> OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE, THOUGH. AND THAT PASSES, 4-1. AND YOU ARE

UP, AGAIN. >> KNOW?

>> NO, NOT TODAY. ALSO, QUASIJUDICIAL. COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? >> YES, I HAD A MEETING WITH DR. BURNETT AND I HAD A COUPLE F EMAILS AND I DID DRIVE BY AND TAKE SOME PICTURES. COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAD TWO PLUS EMAILS AND ALSO HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF WHITE HOUSE, WHO I BELIEVE IS REPRESENTING THE A, AND ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL CONVERSATION WITH THE OUTLINE OF THE PROJECT, AND WHAT THEY

DO. >> OKAY, I GOT A PACKET OF EMAILS THIS MORNING, AS WELL. I ALSO HAD A MEETING IN THE OFFICE OF BURNETT AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THE POSITION TO THE PROJECT AND I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH JESSE GILBERT.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I HAD THE SAME MATTERS FOR PUBLIC RECORD. WE LOOKED AT THE PLATS AND TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.

I HAD TWO PHONE CALLS WITH ZACH MILLER BEING PROPOSED AND I HAD A PHONE CALL FROM JESSE, BASICALLY DISCUSSING THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE HOME THAT WAS PROPOSED.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I DISCUSSED WITH ZACH MILLER

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TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSAL. IN BOTH MEETINGS, I PROBABLY SPENT MORE TIME THAN I SHOULD HAVE, RECALLING MY FIVE YEARS FOR

PLANNING. >> I DON'T DOUBT IT. THE FLOOR

IS YOURS, MR. MILLER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, AGAIN. ZACH MILLER. 303 BARN COURT. HERE'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS APPROXIMATELY 1.9 ACRES OF PROPERTY AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY IN A SECOND, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS FIRST. MARCH LANDING HIS TWO COMPONENTS AND REALLY HAS BEEN EVER SINCE IT WAS APPROVED IN 1975 AND SINCE THE GOLF COURSE OPENED UP IN 1986. THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT BUT THAT GOLF COURSE IS NOT A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE, THAT GOLF COURSE IS NOT AN AMENITY FOR THE ASSOCIATION.

SOME PEOPLE WHO REMEMBER LIVE INSIDE MARCH LANDING. SOME PEOPLE, LIKE MY GUEST IN 2019, WHERE WE FINISHED DEAD LAST, DON'T. THE POINT I AM MAKING IS, IT IS NOT PART OF THE RECREATIONAL AMENDMENTS OF THE MARSH LANDING DEVELOPMENT. SO, WHY ARE WE HERE? WELL, SEVERAL YEARS WITH MR. CHESTER STOKES, WAS LOOKING TO SELL THE GOLF COURSE. HE GOT IT IN A PARTNERSHIP SINCE 1986, AND HAD AN LLC PRIOR. AND CONCERT GOLF, WHICH OWNS GOLF COURSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, CAME ON WITH THE BUYER. IN ORDER TO FINANCE THAT DEAL, THERE WAS A PLUG WITH THE HOA. WHAT THE HOA AND RESIDENCE GOT AS PART OF THAT DEAL, THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. THEY GOT COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE GOLF COURSE. THOSE COVENANT RESTRICTIONS DID NOT EXIST UNTIL OCTOBER 2022. EXCEPT FOR TWO SITES. THIS IS A ZOOM IN. IT IS ABOUT 1.89 ACRES. AFTON ARE 17, THEY SWITCH THE NINES. THERE IS THREE HOMES, ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT THAT HAS THE DRIVEWAY CUTTING ACROSS THE PROPERTY. ONESELF OF THAT WITH A VERY NICE COOL POOL, OWNED BY THE PEAKS. AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST. SO, THE HOUSE OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND EVERYONE IN THEIR APPROVED BY 92%, THEY RAISED FUNDS TO HELP FINANCE GOLF.

>> THIS WAS FROM THE GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE MARSH LANDING.

IT REITERATES A COUPLE TERMS. GOLF, MARSH LANDING PARTNERSHIP, AND THE HOA. THE POSITION THAT THERE ARE NO TITLE COMPONENTS ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT REQUIRE IT TO REMAIN A GOLF COURSE. THE PARTY UNDERSTOOD THAT MARSH LANDING PARTNERSHIP HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP. THE TRANSACTION BETWEEN MARSH LANDING PARTNERSHIP IS RELYING ON THIS CONDITION OF MARSH LANDING PARTNERSHIP RETAINING THAT PARCEL. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THOSE HOMES.

GOING TO MINIMIZE THE HOMEOWNER IMPACT. MARSH LANDING HAD PERSONNEL FROM THE MASTERS ASSOCIATION PERSONALLY MET WITH HOMEOWNERS TO DISCUSS THESE PLANS. OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNEW THIS IS PART OF THE TRANSACTION. THE PARTIES UNDERSTANDING THAT MARSH LANDING PARTNERSHIP RETAINS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP. THAT IS FROM THE GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE

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ASSOCIATION, THAT IS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN PENDING FOR OVER A YEAR. SO, THAT FINANCE AND THAT TRI-PARTY AGREEMENT FOR MR. STOKES TO MAINTAIN TWO LOTS FOR DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED BY 90% OF THE MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION. THEY GOT COVENANT RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY. IT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED EXCEPT FOR THESE TWO. AND THEN, HERE IS ONE OF THE EMAILS TO THE RESIDENCE.

REACHED. LOCATIONS OF THE TWO LOTS IS NOW 17 AND THIS IS A PORTION OF THE COVENANT RESTRICTIONS NOT ON THIS LAND, BUT IN THE GOLF COURSE IN 2022. THE REST OF THE GOLF COURSE HAS TO STAY AS GOLF COURSE EXCEPT FOR THESE TWO. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THIS. THERE WERE TWO SITES, THERE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE TWO HOMES THERE. AFTER THE HOMEOWNER HEARD FEEDBACK, IT WAS BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.

THIS IS ONE HOME ON THE KINGFISHER LOT. NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. THE ONLY REASON I FIND THAT EXTREMELY INTERESTING, ONE, IT PREDATES THE KABBALAH. SO, IT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS AS YOUR COMP PLAN DESIGNATION. YOU LOOK IN YOUR LAND-USE SECTION OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE OTHER PARTIES IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER PART OF THE OCEAN THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE SAME DRI.

HERE'S THE ORIGINAL KABBALAH STONE. TURNED SIDEWAYS, HOPEFULLY IT IS EASY TO SEE. THIS JUST SHOWS WHAT THE DENSITIES WERE. EITHER THREE UNITS PER ACRE OR FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. YOU APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR ONE UNIT, ALMOST TWO ACRES, CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION. THIS MASTERPIECE IS THE BEAUTY MAP. IT HAS BEEN CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. BUT, THIS IS THE LATEST VERSION. I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTY MOD IN 2002. I'M NOT GOING TO ZOOM IN ON IT, BUT A COUPLE INTERESTING FEATURES. ONE, THERE IS NO OPEN-SPACE ON THIS. THERE IS NO GOLF COURSE. THERE IS NO ACTIVE RECREATION. DRIVING RANGE IS CALLED OUT. WHY DID I BRING THAT UP? GOLF COURSE IS NOT A USE IN THIS PUD. THIS CAME UP DURING PCA. THIS CONCERN OF, YOU HAVE THIS ONE .9 ACRE PARCEL, AND YOU CAN MOVE THAT ANYWHERE. BUT, WE CANNOT MOVE THAT HOME MORE THAN 20 FEET FROM THAT LOCATION. THAT IS WHAT 20 FEET IS. THAT IS HOW LONG THIS IS. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP IS THAT THE LOT SIZE THAT WAS PROPOSED IS RELATIVELY SMALL, ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE REASON WHY IT IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET AS WE WANT TO GO BACK EITHER INTO THE HOA OR THE GOLF WITH WHAT I'M USING. YOU SEE CONCERNS ABOUT CONSISTENCY. THIS EXPRESSLY REQUIRES THAT OUR LOT BE A HALF ACRE IN SIZE. ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS YOU GET A LOT OF PUD'S NOW WITH 500 HOMES, 1000 HOMES. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED IN 1975. THE ORIGINAL PUD WAS 5000 DWELLING UNITS. THERE WERE OVER 1000 UNITS THAT WERE DEVELOPED. WE HAVE ENTITLEMENT TO OVER 1000 UNITS.

USING THAT, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM. SO, WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED IN MARSH LANDING? ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NORMALLY GET

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AS PART OF YOUR PUD PACKAGE, YOU'LL GET A RED LINE TO THE PUD, HERE'S WHAT THE PUD ORIGINALLY IS, AND HERE'S THE REDLINE. 1975 PUD DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. THEY DID PRIOR TO SECTOR PLANS. JUST FOR DIFFERENT SECTIONS. IN THIS CASE, THIS IS FOR UNIT 29 IN MARSH LANDING. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? UNIT 29 HAD 66 RESIDENCES FOR THE PROPERTY.

ONLY 65 WERE BUILT. THEY HAD SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND SETBACKS BUT YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THAT. SO, THESE AREA OF THESE HOMES, I HAVE GONE OUT AND DOUBLE TRACKED AND TRIPLE CHECKED, 66 HOMES WERE ALLOWED ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED ONLY 65 WERE DEVELOPED. WHERE IS THE 66TH ONE? THAT IS OUR PROBLEM, CURRENTLY NUMBER 17. THAT IS THE AREA. THIS IS LOT NINE. LOT NINE WAS THE 66TH LOT THAT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED. IT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF OUR PROPERTY, AND TO THE WEST, THERE IS THE GURU HOME TO THE EAST. WHAT HAPPENED TO LOT NINE? IT WAS NEEDED BY THE SUB HOA, THAT GOVERNS THIS INDUSTRY. IT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED UNLESS THAT SELF HOA DECIDES TO DEVELOP. AND THIS IS JUST ON OUR SITE PLAN, SHOWING THE LOCATION FOR THAT LOT. I POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT THIS, WHY IS THE OAKLEY HOME LOT CUTTING ACROSS YOUR PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST DOES. I IMAGINE IT IS BECAUSE THEIR LOT IS ONE OF THE ODDEST SHAPED LOTS I HAVE SEEN.

BUT, I IMAGINE THEY BUILT THIS BECAUSE THAT DRIVEWAY IS MUCH MORE UNIQUE. GETTING DOWN TO THE NITTY-GRITTY, THESE ARE PICTURES THAT MYSELF AND MR. HARDIN HERE HELPED TAKE. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, FACING SOUTH EAST OF THE PROPOSED HOME. THAT IS THE PEAK HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE BACKGROUND. AND THIS IS AN AERIAL SHOWING WHAT THAT VIEW IS. AGAIN, I SAW IT ON THE SITE PLAN SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED HOMES, THE VIEW IS FACING NORTH-NORTHEAST. THAT IS JUST WHAT THE GROUND LOOKS LIKE. WE USE THIS SYSTEM TO ACTUALLY TRUE UP WHERE WE WERE. THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, FACING SOUTH-SOUTHEAST. AND IN THE DISTANCE, YOU CAN'T SEE IT.

THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. THAT IS THE AREA WE ARE LOOKING AT. IN THIS -- BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GET ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING -- I WENT TO THE PEAK HOME AND FIRST OF ALL I ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THE COUNCIL THAT REPRESENTS THE PEAKS. I THINK I CALLED THEM TWICE IN JULY AND AUGUST, EMAIL THEM A WEEK AGO. THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T TRUST WHAT I WOULD SAY OVER THE PHONE. SO, THIS IS AS CLOSE AS I COULD GET TO THEIR PROPERTY. JUST LOOKING AT THE HOME AND WHERE IT WILL BE.

PROBABLY ABOUT 600, 700 FEET AWAY. SO -- WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO HAVE SOME MOCKUPS OF WHAT THIS COULD BE LIKE. THIS IS DRIVING DOWN KATIE FISHER, YOU CAN SEE THE OAKLEY HOME AND OUR PROPOSED HOMES THERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY STANDING A LITTLE BIT OFF OF KINGFISHER AND OFF OF THE PROPOSED HOME. AND THEN, THIS IS THE VIEW, IF YOU ARE SEEING ANY AT THE OUTER BOUNDS STEAK. FROM THAT VIEW, YOU CAN STILL CLEARLY SEE THE GURU, WHICH IS MUCH CLOSER. I'VE GOT COPIES OF THESE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. THIS IS ACTUALLY A PROFESSIONAL APPRAISER TOOK A LOOK AT THIS SITE TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE

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PROPERTY VALUES. I WILL CUT TO THE CHASE. WHEN CONSIDERING THE LOCATION, IT IS THIS PROFESSIONAL APPRAISER AND IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY NEGATIVE VALUES OF EXISTING HOME SALES.

I KNOW WE HAVE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND ON IT, IT IS JUST FOR ONE HOME, BUT ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, I APPROACHED STAFF AND SAID, WHY ARE WE DOING A MAJOR MODIFICATION? GOLF COURSE ISN'T A DELINEATED USE. WHAT ARE WE REZONING HERE? WHAT STAFF SAID WAS, NO, YOU CAN PROCESS THIS, A MINOR MODIFICATION, BUT GOING TO FEEL IT, ANYWAY. PROCESS THAT IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION ANYWAY. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I RESERVE THE REST OF THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> YES, ON THE CONCERT GOLF, YOU HAD A SLIDE RIGHT BEFORE, AND YOU HAD THREE YELLOW THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN -- COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, TOWARD THE BEGINNING? JUST ON HERE. JUST FOR THE BEGINNING. I JUST DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO

READ ALL OF THOSE THINGS. >> MY APOLOGIES.

>> WAS AT THE ONE AFTER THAT? >> THIS IS JUST A ZOOM IN OF --

>> OKAY. >> IF YOU -- IF THE SALE WENT THROUGH THE CONCERT, THE LOTS HAVE TO BE BUILT WITHOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING? OKAY, COULD YOU PUT THAT UP? OKAY. COULD YOU READ THOSE FOR ME, PLEASE? NO, ALL OF THEM.

SORRY. >> THE ONES THAT ARE

HIGHLIGHTED? >> YES, PERFECT.

>> MLB'S POSITION IS THAT THERE ARE NO TITLE OR ZONING RESTRICTIONS. INITIALLY, MLB ADVISES THAT MARSH LANDING BE ADVISED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 1032 DWELLING UNITS BUT WE ARE STILL WAY OVER. IN 2022, A THIRD-PARTY EXPRESSED INTEREST IN PURCHASING. MLP RETAINING OFFICE PARCEL AND ALSO DEVELOPING FOUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

] PERSONALLY MET WITH AVAILABLE HOMEOWNERS TO DISCUSS -- INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] THEY ARE PART OF THE TRANSACTION BETWEEN MLP AND --

>> I MISSING, STILL, THERE WAS ONE OTHER ONE --

>> IS THIS THE ONE? IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS PART OF THE

CLOSING OF THE TRANSACTION. >> NO, IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE IT, OR -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE. I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS SINCE I GOT ON THIS FLOOR OF MARSH LANDING.

SOME PICTURES YOU HAVE DON'T SHOW IT AS IT NORMALLY IS -- I HAVE A COUPLE PICTURES I TOOK. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THAT? LET ME SHOW -- KYLE, COULD YOU PUT THOSE PICTURES UP? AND THIS WAS ONLY AFTER TWO DAYS OF RAIN. IT WASN'T AFTER ITS ENTIRETY. NO, THAT IS THE TWO -- THE AREA YOU ARE TALKING

ABOUT, THERE. >> DAVID TAYLOR, DENNIS ASSOCIATES, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

>> HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO -- I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF WATER ISSUES WE ARE ALREADY WORKING WITH. HOW ARE YOU GOING

TO HANDLE THAT? >> WE COULD GET THAT STANDING WATER FROM ABOUT 30 INCHES OF RAIN, SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT FOR THIS, IT IS ALREADY IN THE PERMIT FOR THIS SYSTEM. I'M SORRY, I --

>> NO, NO. I WILL LET COMMISSIONER DEAN GO INTO IT, BUT THERE IS A LOT MORE WATER.

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>> OKAY, SO, OUR PROJECT IS IN A BASIN AND HAS ISSUES WITH MARSHLAND. WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL A POND THAT WILL HANDLE THE DRAINAGE FOR THIS HOUSE SO THERE WILL BE NO IMPACTS TO EXISTING MARSH LANDING HOUSES.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I WAS REMISS IN THE BEGINNING TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING FORMAT. SO, MR. ZACH MILLER HAD 20 MINUTES, MR. BURNETT IS REPRESENTING BOTH OF THE AFFECTED PARTIES, YOU WILL HAVE 20 MINUTES, AND THEN COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST HAS A DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE STATUS, 10 MINUTES. HE IS FIVE MINUTES RESERVED.

>> THAT IS HOW IT WORKED OUT. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT GEOMETRIC SHAPES, THAT IS WHERE THE POND IS.

>> WHOSE HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WENT FROM GRASS TO POND? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS THAT THE HOUSE

RIGHT TO THE RIGHT? >> THAT IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BUFFER. YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, IT IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE SIDE THAT YOU SEE IT. THAT IS THE AREA OF THE HOUSE BACKS

TOO. >> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. MR.

BURNETT? >> 20 MINUTES, MADAM CHAIR?

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. DOUG BURNETT, SAINT JOHN'S LONG GROUP.

TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING HERE -- IN FACT, I HAVE ONLY SEEN IT RAISED IN THIS AUDITORIUM ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO AND THAT IS TO TALK ABOUT ARTICLE ONE. SO OFTEN, WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW WE MEASURE THINGS, BUT THEN, IT IS INTERESTING -- WHAT ABOUT YOUR POWER? THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' POWER OVER LAND DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY.

WHEN WE LOOK AT ARTICLE ONE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YES, SOME PRETTY BIG LANGUAGE IN THERE HAS SOME LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY, BUT IT IS YOU GUYS, AND YOU GOT PURPOSE AND INTENT OF WHAT YOU INTEND RELATED TO THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND REGULATIONS. IT IS INTERESTING, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO PRESERVE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE, BUT IT IS INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT, AND WELFARE. IT HAS OTHER LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IS KIND OF INTERESTING, ABOUT EQUITABLE. YOU WANT TO SEE AN EQUITABLE APPLICATION OF YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT AND REGULATIONS. WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO? AND THEN, ALSO, YOU WANT TO DEAL EFFECTIVELY WITH FUTURE PROBLEMS. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS KIND OF INTERESTING. WHAT DID THE DEVELOPER SELL? IT IS NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DEVELOPER SOLD. THE DEVELOPER SOLD ALL FOUR FRONT LOTS AND NOW THE DEVELOPER IS BACK TO PUT HOMES -- NOW IT IS MODIFIED, WE WILL GET TO TALK ABOUT THAT MORE. PUTTING A HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GOLF COURSE. YOU KNOW? WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE IN THERE, RULES OF CONSTRUCTION OF YOUR LAND DEVELOPING CODE, AND HOW YOU PREVENT MANIFEST INTENT AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO RULE AGAINST THINGS THAT AREN'T CARRYING OUT YOUR INTENT. YOU KNOW WHAT THE GREATER GOOD OF THE COUNTY IS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE INTENT WAS. WHEN IT IS CLOUDED, WHEN THE PUD IS APPROVED, LIMITATIONS ON THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, IT IS CLEAR -- AND WE SHOULD WALK YOU THROUGH THIS -- IT IS CLEAR THAT THE PLAT SHOWED THIS IS GONE. MR. MILLER WAS SHOWING SOME DOCUMENTS, I WILL SHOW YOU ONE THAT IS PRETTY INTERESTING. THIS IS A GOLF COURSE. BEFORE WE GET TO THIS PORTION OF THIS AND WHAT IS REQUIRED. YOU LOOK AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS WE HAVE TO DEVELOP A REVIEW. THE DEVELOP REVIEW SAYS IN SECTION

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24, WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO PURSUE A MAJOR MODIFICATION? AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ANY OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS RELATED TO MINOR MODIFICATION OR MAJOR MODIFICATION. I WAS INVOLVED IN THIS, IT WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION, IS WHAT IT WAS.

HERE WE GO. WHAT IS REQUIRED? WELL, APPLICATION MUST INCLUDE AN APPLICATION. IT HAS TO INCLUDE PROOF OF OWNERSHIP, THAT IS NOT IN THE PACKAGE. WE HAVE PROOF OF OWNERSHIP IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, AND THEN FINALLY, YOU NEED TO HAVE RESUBMITTAL'S TO CONTAIN A STRIKETHROUGH, THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT IS NOT IN THERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYWHERE WHERE THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, WHERE YOU HAVE STRIKETHROUGH, UNDERLYING LANGUAGE. NOTE, REALLY QUICK, AS A SEGWAY, I REPRESENT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE GIVEN DESIGNATED REPRESENTATION AND I THINK THERE WERE SEVEN CARDS WE SUBMITTED. OBVIOUSLY, THE PRIMARY ADVERSELY AFFECT PARTIES FOR THE ONES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN 300 FEET RECEIVE THIS, WHICH IS VERY CLEARLY THE PEAK FAMILY. WE DID PROVIDE OUR NOTICE EIGHT DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE INCORPORATING ALL OF THESE THINGS INTO THE RECORD HERE.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THAT. WELL, MY MAP IS NOT COMING UP. I WAS GOING TO SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE HOMES ARE.

SHOW YOU WHERE THEY COULD COME UP, BUT LET ME SKIP THROUGH. A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, LOOK AND SEE HISTORICALLY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE HOUSES WERE GOING ON LOTS, ONE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS SHOW THE SIX, NOT THE EIGHT. THIS IS TYPICALLY THE 8TH HOLE, BUT IT HAS BEEN REVERSED. YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THAT AREA, THE TEE BOXES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND THESE ARE LANDS THAT ARE WET PRETTY MUCH YEAR ROUND. YOU CAN SEE MORE OF THAT AND YOU CAN SEE IN BETWEEN THE OAKLEY HOME AND THE GURU HOME.

AND THEN, LAYING IN THE LOT FROM THE MDP, THESE ARE CONSIDERATIONS. WE LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, THE NUMBER OF THINGS IN THERE, THE HIGHLIGHT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER, COMPATIBILITY, OBVIOUSLY. COMPATIBILITY MEANS THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDULY IMPACTING OTHER NEGATIVE VIEWS.

IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, FOR 30 YEARS. AND ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS THAT CAN WEIGH INTO DETERMINATION. I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS OF THOSE THINGS. BUT, LOOKING AT THE PUD TEXT AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THEIR FOR USES, ALL OF THESE EXCESSIVE USES THAT COULD BE IN THERE WITHIN THE SETBACK, WHICH REDUCES THE SETBACK, AND THEN WE GOT FENCES, IT IS PRETTY NICE HAVING THE PICTURES, THE ELEVATION, IN THE FIELD OF VISION THAT WAS PROVIDED VERSUS WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

THIS IS A REAR YARD LOOKING TOWARD AN AREA WHERE THE PEAK FAMILY, IN THEIR BACKYARD, THEY ARE ENJOYING A GOLF COURSE.

THEY ARE FACING TOWARD THEM AND ONE OF THE PARTS OF JUSTIFICATION IS HITTING ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE NEW FINGAL WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WILL FULFILL A NEED FOR HOUSING IN THIS AREA. INTERESTING JUSTIFICATION. WE DO HAVE WAIVERS -- AND WE POINTED THIS OUT -- IT IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY DID HAVE WAIVERS, THERE WAS A JUSTIFICATION INTO THE NONAPPLICATION. THEY CAN'T MEET COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SHIFT THE BURDEN, WHEN THEY HAVE A WAIVER IN AN APPLICATION. AND CLEARLY, THEY DO. THERE ARE OTHER WAIVERS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. BUT, WE WILL SAY THIS -- HOW MANY GOLF COURSE CONVERSIONS ARE THE GOING TO HAVE? NOT JUST IN THIS AREA, AROUND THE COUNTY, IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO START HAPPENING, BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPER, ML PARTNERSHIP -- WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE -- THEY HAVE 135 ACRES.

BUT, WHERE DO WE SEE THIS POTENTIALLY HAPPENING AGAIN? YOU CAN SEE FUTURE PROBLEMS AND PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT

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CODE STATED INTENT. EARLIER, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSES, WE THREW IN THE GOOGLE HOUSE, SO WE SEE HOW LONG THESE HOUSES HAVE BEEN ON THE GOLF COURSE WITHOUT A HOUSE IN THAT SECTION. THIS IS THE PEAK HOUSE. I WANT TO POINT THIS OUT TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS. THIS IS THE PEAK HOME. THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION. YOU CAN SEE THE OUTDOOR SUMMER KITCHEN WITH THE PINK HOME AND WHERE THEY ENJOY THE BACKYARD OR WHERE THEY ENJOY THE VIEWS OF THE GOLF COURSE. THERE WOULD BE A HOME THERE BECAUSE LOGICALLY, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE PEAK HOME AND THAT WHITE BOX DEAD CENTER IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KINGFISHER. SO, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THAT VIEW. DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT DRAWING SHOWS UP, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT IN THIS RANGE WERE NOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE REAR OF SOMEONE'S FRONT FROM THE PEAK HOME. THE STAFF REPORT DOESN'T HAVE THE APPLICATION, BECAUSE HERE'S THE INTERESTING THING. I DIDN'T FIGHT STAFF, I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT FOR THIS. THE APPLICATION IS CONDITIONED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT DOESN'T OWN THE LAND. THERE IS NO OWNER AUTHORIZATION. YOU SEE, DOUG, WAIT A SECOND, THE AUTHORIZATION HAD TO HAVE COME FROM THE LAND. WELL, WHO DO THEY SAY OWNS THE LAND? THEY SAY THAT ML PARTNERSHIP OWNS THE LAND. THAT IS WRONG. THE DEED -- TRANSFER THIS PROPERTY, AUGUST 25TH, 2023, FROM ML PARTNERSHIP. IT IS ALREADY BEING CONVEYED. YOU SEE ML PARTNERSHIP TRANSFERRED THE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY. AND SO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ISSUE DATE FOR WHEN THEY FILED THEIR APPLICATION, THIS IS SUBSEQUENT TO FILING THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. AND IT STILL SAYS THAT ML PARTNERSHIP OWNS THE LAND. BUT, NO, CSL D DOES.

INTERESTING THING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR MDP MAP, IT HAS ON THERE THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE BY THE ENGINEER FOR MCINTYRE.

THIS COMES IN PLAY AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL MAP AND THAT WAS DONE THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP, BUT MORE STRIKING THAN ANYTHING, COMPARE THE TWO DRAWINGS. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE MDP MAP. VERY CLEARLY, MDP MAP. THE DETAILS ARE THERE, THE BOX FOR RECORDING IS THERE. THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS NOT AN MDP MAP. IT DOES NOT MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU CUT IT, THAT IS NOT AN NDP MAP. THERE IS NO LOCATION MAP ON THAT MDP MAP, THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. AND 13 -- CSLD OWNS THE LAND. I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU UNINTENTIONALLY, A MISLEADING APPLICATION -- NOT BY ANYBODY'S FAULT -- BUT BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN BUT IT DID. IN THIS SITUATION, WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY, WE LOOK AT THE NOTICES. REMEMBER, THIS APPLICATION ORIGINALLY WENT TO PCA AND WAS NOTED IN PCA IS TWO LOTS 1/8. TWO LOTS ON EIGHT AND TWO LOTS ON 15. OKAY? AND WHAT THEY DID WAS, THEY FIGURED OUT THAT THE TWO LOTS ON 15, THEY BELIEVED THEY COULD DO SMALLER ADJUSTMENTS. SO, THE TWO LOTS ON 15 WENT AWAY BECAUSE THOSE ARE BEING DEALT WITH WITH SMALL ADJUSTMENTS, NOT WITH THIS APPLICATION. SO, YOU KNOW THE SIMPLER LOT. THE PROBLEM IS, THIS WAS ALWAYS NOTICED, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST, THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD POSSIBLY READ THIS NOTICE MAP. IF YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING AND YOU WENT TO PCA ORIGINALLY AND IT WAS FOUR LOTS, YOU SEE THIS NOTICE OF WHAT IS COMING TO THE COUNTY FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND YOU THINK, IF YOU LIVE ON 15 AND YOU WERE OPPOSED TO TWO AND NOT JUST ONE, YOU MIGHT BE BELIEVING THAT IT IS JUST ONE LOT. SO, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT MAYBE THIS COMES BACK TO CALL THIS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WERE FOLKS ON THE TEAM BELIEVE

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THAT YOU GAVE THEM NOTICE FOR WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW, THE START OF THESE LOTS, NOW IT IS ONLY ONE, BUT THE TWO LOTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY SMALL ADJUSTMENT. THE MAJOR MODIFICATION ORIGINALLY WITH MR. GARY DAVENPORT THE ATTORNEY WHO FILED THIS APPLICATION BUT THEN THEY FIGURED OUT WEIGHT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE A SMALL ADJUSTMENT AND MAYBE TWO APPEALS HAVE BEEN FILED RELATED TO THAT. I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. THOSE FOLKS, IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE APPEALS. BUT, THE SMALL ADJUSTMENT ALLOWS TWO ON THE LINK SIDE OF THE CIRCLE. WELL, THERE IS PUD TEXT RELATED TO THAT. AND SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE TWO LOTS ON 15TH. BUT, THAT TO YOU -- PUD TEXT HASN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED WITH THIS PUD TEXT. EVERY TIME I HAVE HAD TO BRING A PROJECT IN HERE TO DO A MAJOR MOD, I HAVE TO REDLINE IT, AND IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THE PUD, I HAVE TO REWRITE THE TEXT TO PUT IT IN THE RIGHT DOCUMENT. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT IS 30 YEARS OLD. I PUT IT ALL IN THE RIGHT DOCUMENT SO YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE. HERE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE EXISTING PUD, AND NOR DO WE HAVE IT RELATED TO THE SMALL ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS JUST APPLIED, SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE TWO INTERRELATE TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY NOT ADDRESSED HERE OR THERE. AND OH, BY THE WAY, YOUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW MANUAL REQUIRES THAT THOSE BE PROVIDED AND AGAIN IT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED. I WROTE AN OPINION LETTER, THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE REPORT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, THERE IS SOME INTERESTING LANGUAGE IN THEIR AND INCLUDING FROM THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE HOMEOWNERS WHOSE LANDS WERE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY CLAIMED THE LAND WAS PUBLIC USE. SINCE THE DEED STATES THAT THE PROPERTY WAS DEDICATED, THE COURT FOUND THAT TO NOT UPHOLD THIS WOULD BE A FRAUD. THEY HAVE CERTAIN DEDICATIONS, TO INVITE PURCHASERS TO APPROVE.

SO, A LARGE PORTION OF PURCHASERS FOR CONTROVERSY WHERE DEDICATED. SUPPORT THE FACT THAT YOU DEDICATE SOMETHING ON A PLAQUE THAT IS THERE. LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. THEIR LEGAL DESCRIPTION, THERE IS THE ONE.

THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS IN THAT DEED FROM ML PARTNERSHIP TO CSLD, THE ONE THAT CONVEYED THE TITLE. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING FOR TODAY. MARSH LANDING. AND SPECIFICALLY IF YOU READ THE HIGHLIGHTED LANGUAGE, YOU'LL SEE BOOK 29, PAGE 29 THROUGH 37, LET'S LOOK AT. THERE IS PAGE 29, BOOK 29, PAGE 29, DOCUMENT DEDICATION. AND BY THE WAY, IT IS DONE BY ML PARTNERSHIP. WE FLIPPED TO PAGE 30, PAGE 29 THROUGH 37, AND LO AND BEHOLD, LOOKING AT THEIR LEGAL DESCRIPTION, WHAT DOES THE SECOND PAGE OF THE PLAQUE CALLOUT? WELL, IT SAYS THAT IT IS DEDICATED FOR GOLF COURSE. OR, FOR DRAINAGE AND STORM WATER RETENTION. AND I WILL ALSO SUBMIT TO YOU -- AND I WILL COMPARE THIS ON THIS PLAQUE, THIS PLAQUE IS AFTER THE FIRE PLAQUE, WHERE MR. MILLER WAS SAYING IT WASN'T PLOTTED IN 1990. BUT, BY THIS STAGE, IT WAS PLOTTED. AGAIN, GOING TO THE NEXT PAGE, 31, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS THE GOLF COURSE, THERE IS TRACK EIGHT. IF WE GO TO PAGE 34, SEEM MAP BOOK, PAGE 34, REMEMBER IT IS 29 THROUGH 37, THERE IT IS, RIGHT THERE, THE GOLF COURSE. AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS THEIR LOT NINE. THEY SAY, WE COULDN'T BUILD LOT NINE BECAUSE IT WAS JUST NOT BUILDABLE, TOO MANY WETLANDS.

WE PUT THAT RISK ON THE NEIGHBORS? OR, DOES THE DEVELOPER TAKE THAT RISK JUST LIKE THE DEVELOPER TAKES ALL OF THE OTHER RISKS RELATED TO DEVELOPING A PROJECT? AS DEVELOPERS IN THIS BUSINESS, WE LOSE LOTS WHEN WE COME TIME TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE PROJECT. WE GET SO MANY ENTITLED, COME TO FIND OUT THEY WEREN'T FLAGGED CORRECTLY, OR IT IS AN ISSUE, OR WHATEVER. THEY LOST A LOT. BUT NOW, THEY ARE COMING BACK

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TO TRY TO GET IT. THIS RESERVATION THEY HAVE IN THE COVENANTS, THERE IS CASE LAW OUT THERE RELATED TO COVENANTS.

DO YOU BELIEVE, FOR EXAMPLE -- THEY WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE A DEVELOPER HAS A RESERVATION, AND COVENS RESTRICTIONS, THAT YOU CANNOT RE-PLAT, ADD THE NEW LAND. BUT, THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT, IT IS ON PRIVATE DISCUSSION.

CLEARLY IN OUR SUBDIVISION WHERE WE LIVE, IF YOU LIVE IN A PLATTED SUBDIVISION, THE DEVELOPER CANNOT PUT A STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. AND OH, BY THE WAY, UNDER ARTICLE ONE, YOU GUYS ARE THE GUARDIANS TO PROTECT FOR THAT STUFF. YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES TO STOP THIS. AND YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE HERE BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY WHO COMES UP TO TRY TO BUY LOTS OUT OF OUR OPEN SPACES AND OUT OF OUR GOLF COURSES, BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY HAVE COME IN HERE TO DO THIS. WHERE DOES IT STOP? AND BY THE WAY, JAMES WHITEHOUSE BRINGS AN OCCURRING OPINION TO MIND AND TOGETHER WE HAVE OVER 50 YEARS OF LEGAL EXPERIENCE. I WILL TELL YOU ONE OTHER THING ABOUT MR. WHITEHOUSE THAT DOESN'T COME UP IN THIS ROOM VERY OFTEN, HE HAS A LOT OF US COMING IN HERE TO SPEAK VERY OFTEN. BUT, I WILL SHARE THIS WITH YOU, MOST OF US AREN'T BOARD-CERTIFIED, MR. WHITEHOUSE IS BOARD CERTIFIED. FINALLY, THIS IS JUST GOING AGAINST THE SPIRITED INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND IT IS PRETTY CLEAR WHAT THE DEVELOPER SOUGHT OUT TO DO AND ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS, IT SCRUNCHES THEM, I WILL SHOW YOU ON THIS NEXT SLIDE. WE ARE A LITTLE SHORT ON TIME BUT YOU CAN SEE, BY THE WAY, THESE TRACKS ARE DESIGNATED FOR GOLF COURSE AND SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR DRAINAGE. IT IS NOT JUST THE PLAT, BUT IF YOU TAKE THIS DRAWING, IT IS NICE TO SCRUNCH IT. YOU LOSE THE ASPECT RATIO, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY BRING IT OUT TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE PROSPECT ASPECT RATIO. THAT IS

FOR GOLF COURSE OR DRAINAGE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> 10 MINUTES? OKAY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR. NAME FOR THE RECORD, JAMES WHITEHOUSE. 1204 MAIN STREET, HERE. HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY HAPPILY ON BEHALF OF HOA THAT IMMEDIATELY SOUNDS THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST. THIS IS A TWO-WAY -- HOA NUMBER SEVEN WITHIN THE MARSH LANDING PUD. AGAIN, JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US, MARSH LANDING, MARSH LANDING WAS DEVELOPED SLOWLY OVER 13 YEARS, DEVELOPING UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS EACH WITH THEIR OWN CHARACTER, EACH BECAME A SUB HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WITHIN THAT, 10 OF THEM. AND YOU SAW MR. MILLER TALK ABOUT THE MARSH LANDING AREA AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT THE MASTER ASSOCIATION COVERS. HOA NUMBER SEVEN IS COMPROMISING THE AREA THAT SURROUNDS THIS REQUEST FOR MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS YOU CAN SEE ON SCREEN, THIS -- SORRY ABOUT THAT. ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN SEE KINFISHER COMING AROUND THE CORNER HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS GOLF BALL IS, AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PLOW UNDER TO PUT A HOUSE ON. THIS LOVELY, UPSCALE COMMUNITY LOCATED HERE TO ENJOY THE SCENIC VIEWS AND OPENING AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR MANY DECADES AS PART OF THE MARSH LANDING COUNTRY CLUB. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE THAT THIS AREA I SHOWED YOU ON THE SCREEN IS HOA NUMBER SEVEN. ALL OF THESE HOUSES AROUND HERE. THIS IS DIRECTLY IN THE CENTER OF THAT. AGAIN, MARSH LANDING COUNTRY CLUB WAS ESTABLISHED OVER 3 1/2 DECADES AGO WITH A PLAN FOR A DATED COUNTRY CLUB COMMUNITY, INCLUDING HOUSING AREAS DESIGNATED AS GOLF COURSES TO RUN IN BETWEEN THE CUSTOM HOUSING. THAT PLAN WAS DEVELOPED AND REMAINS TODAY AS DESIGNED AND APPROVED. IN FACT, THE MARSH LANDING COMMUNITY WEBSITE POSTS OUR PRESERVES, BOASTING OUR PRESERVES, UPON WHICH IT IS BRAGGING ABOUT HOW IT TOOK OUR TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. THEY TALK ABOUT FOR HOW OVER 30 YEARS, CONCERN FOR THE ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN FOREMOST IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF MARSH LANDING. AND NOW, THIS REQUEST COMES BEFORE YOU TO PLOW UNDER PART OF THE GOLF COURSE. THIS

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IS THE HOLE. THIS WHOLE AREA WILL BE GONE. YOU GET SOME COMMENTS -- AND THIS WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET -- FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS. THIS IS THE FAMILY THAT MR. MILLER REFERRED TO RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THIS REQUEST IS BEING MADE AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW IT IS SHOCKING THAT THE DEVELOPER DESIGN AND PLAT IN THIS PROPERTY HAS A NATURAL AFFINITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HE AND MANY OTHER HOMEBUYERS ARE REASONABLY RELIED ON, THAT SEEM TO DESTROY THESE NATURAL FEATURES. WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT THE DEED, BUT THIS IS THE DEED. BACK IN 2023 ON THE 25TH, MR. STOKES TRANSFERRED THIS TO HIMSELF. CHESTER STOKES LAND DEVELOPMENT. LOOKING OUT, YOU SAW THESE EARLIER, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THERE IS GOING TO BE A HOUSE NOW, WHICH CLEARLY, AS PEOPLE DRIVE BY, THIS WAS AN OPEN PIT WITHIN THE PUD. IT IS TO BE REPLACED IN THE HOUSE, AN AREA NEVER ENVISIONED FOR HOUSING UNTIL RECENTLY, WHEN MR. STOKES MOVED THAT PROPERTY FROM GOLF COURSE OWNERSHIP AND TRANSFERRED IT TO HIMSELF. THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL GENUINE AND REASONABLE CONCERNS ARE BROUGHT BY THIS HOA, WHO I REPRESENT. THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THAT HOA HAVE EXPRESSED MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION, AS IT RELAYS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THESE SINCERE CONCERNS RISE TO THE LEVEL OF OPPOSITION FOR THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION. THESE ARE FACT-BASED CONCERNS, AND CONDITIONS FOR THESE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS WHO ARE LOCATED IN DIRECT PROXIMITY TO THIS LONG-STANDING GOLF COURSE, AND THE OPEN AREAS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE PLOWED UNDER.

THEY WERE NEVER ENVISIONED IN THE ORIGINAL PUD PLAN, OR EVEN DISCUSSED UNTIL NOW. THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THIS DECADE-OLD PUD CONTAINS PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WOULD MATERIALLY CHANGE THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE INCONSISTENT AND INCOMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA, BASED ON WHAT THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO. AS YOU HAVE HEARD, THERE ARE MANY LONG-TERM RESIDENTS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD A AND ITS NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS -- NEGATIVELY IMPACTING RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY. WHY DO I KEEP GOING BACK TO THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS TO ENSURE CHARGES TODAY, TO LOOK AT THE PUD, TO SEE IF A MAJOR MODIFICATION IS APPROPRIATE. AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTING -- YOU SEE THESE GREEN AREAS, THE AREA IN RED WHERE THEY ARE ASKING TO REMOVE THE GOLF COURSE USE? THIS IS THE HOA AREA, NUMBER SEVEN ZOOMED IN. YOU SEE THAT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AREA THEY WANT TO CONFER. THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION -- AND I HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED A LIST OF THAT, I WILL PROVIDE IT AGAIN FOR THE RECORD -- SENT OUT A SURVEY TO ALL OF ITS MEMBERS, AND THAT SURVEY CAME BACK IN OPPOSITION TO REQUESTED CHANGES FOR MEMBERS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING THAT THE A HIGHER COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED MAJOR CHANGE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT REQUEST WAS LISTED IN THE SURVEY AND ASKED ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED MOST SAID OPPOSED AT THE SECOND QUESTION IS ARE YOU IN FEAR OR POST FOR APPROVAL OPPOSITION AND YES WE ARE IN FAVOR. NUMBER THREE, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO HIRING LEGAL COUNCIL TO APPEAL -- YES, IN FAVOR AGAIN. THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONSES CAME BACK SAYING YES. TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONE OF THEM IS, AGAIN, YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS FROM SOME OF THE AREA NEIGHBORS, THIS IS FROM MR. ALBERT DIRECTLY ACROSS. I ROUTINELY RECEIVE NOTICE LETTERS FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FROM FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE, THIS CORNER CURRENTLY FLOODS IN ANY SEVERE WEATHER EVENT. THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL ONLY ADD TO THE PROBLEM, THEREFORE THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE COUNTRY TO THE COUNTY'S STATED DESIRE FOR MORE SENSIBLE WATER MANAGEMENT. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THIS HOUSE, AND HE WILL PUT IT SO IT CAN ONLY MOVE 20 FEET ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THE LOCATION OF THE FAMILY HOME IS AN APPROXIMATE. ALSO WITH THIS PROPOSED MAJOR CHANGE, THEY TALK ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS NO DIRECT PROMISE. IT IS MERELY AN INTENT. THEY SAY, DIRECTLY FROM THEIR LANGUAGE -- THE OWNER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ON-SITE RETENTION OF STORMWATER, UNLESS IT CAN OTHERWISE BE GIVEN TO THE ASSOCIATION OR OWNER OF THE GOLF COURSE. SO, IF THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR RETAINING THEIR OWN STORMWATER WITHIN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. CONVERTING THIS AREA ON KINGFISHER WILL REMOVE BUFFERING, ELIMINATE

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GOLF COURSE VIEWS, ACTIVATE FLOODING PROBLEMS, AND ALTER THE PUD THAT HAS BEEN A LIFELONG PROTECTOR FOR DECADES.

WHY SHOULD JASON NEIGHBOR, WHO HAS SIGNIFICANT BUMPERS NOW, OBSTRUCTION OF A PUD PLAN THAT WAS INSTITUTED AND MAINTAINED OVER THREE DECADES TO REDO THE PLAN AND PLOW UNDER PART OF THE GOLF COURSE IN PLACE WHERE IT WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR A HOME.

THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CLEARLY TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD VIEW MAJOR MODIFICATIONS AND THEY SHALL BE HANDLED IN THE SAME MANNER AS YOU WOULD HANDLE A REZONIN APPLICATION, IT GOES THROUGH AND SAYS, THE COUNTY SHALL RELOAD THE LAND USES THAT ARE POSSIBLE. WHEN REZONING IS CONSIDERED, THE COUNTY SHALL IN SHORT COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING USES, COMPATIBILITY FIRST WITH THE SENSIBILITY AND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS IN MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. THE ZONING REQUEST MAY BE APPROVED ONLY UPON DETERMINATION THAT THE APPLICATION AND EVIDENCE PREVENTED -- PRESENTED ESTABLISHES THAT ALL PERFORMING LAND USES. THIS REQUEST MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THIS DECADE-OLD PUD CONTAINS PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WOULD MATERIALLY CHANGE THIS COMMUNITY. THESE MAJOR CHANGES ARE IN -- INCONSISTENT AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THEY ARE INCONSISTENT AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE PUD THAT WAS PASSED.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THESE LEGAL OPINIONS THAT SAY, MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO UNIT, MAYBE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT HERE, BUT IT IS YOUR CHARGE TO CONSIDER THIS. IT IS YOUR CHARGE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT CHANGING OF PUD IS APPROPRIATE, AND SPECIFICALLY APPROPRIATE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. AS I SAID, THE HOA THAT SURROUNDS THIS, THEY ARE OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE THEY DO THINK IT IS MATERIAL CHANGE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ASK THAT YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THESE REASONABLE, FACT-BASED CONCERNS AND DENIED THIS REQUEST OF MAJOR CHANGE. ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS OF THE MARSH LANDING HOA NUMBER SEVEN FROM KINGFISHER DRIVE, MARSH LANDING PARKWAY, OSPREY LOOKOUT COURT, ROYAL TERN ROAD, ROYAL TERN ROAD NORTH, ROYAL TERN ROAD SOUTH, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE. SO, NOW, WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC

COMMENTS. >> YES, MADAM CHAIR, GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANT TO REMIND THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE HOA SEVEN OR HAVE SIGNED A CARD FOR MR. BURNETT, YOU ARE REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL. THERE WAS A LOVELY GOLF COURSE IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE --

>> SIR, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS?

>> ED SLAVEN, BOX 3084. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL AND HOMEOWNERS.

INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] THERE WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL PROPOSAL IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WHICH WAS ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO DESTROY A SAINT AUGUSTINE GOLF COURSE. IT WAS A

1926 DONALD ROSS GOLF COURSE. >> NOT A 1926.

>> OKAY. YOU WERE A CADDY. BUT, ANYWAY, THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR CHESTER STOKES GOT PERMISSION FROM THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO DEPLOY AND CARVE UP A LOVELY GOLF COURSE THAT IS HISTORIC IN NATURE. A HISTORIC LANDMARK TO DESTROY IT FOR HOUSING. WELL, GUESS WHAT HE DIDN'T DO? HE NEVER DID ANY ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY, HE NEVER ANALYZED OR HAD ANALYZED THE CONTENTS. SO, THAT GOLF COURSE, HE GOT AWAY WITH ANNEXING IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND THEN DESTROYING FOR MONEY, THAT GOLF COURSE, WITH PESTICIDES AND INSECTICIDES, RODENTICIDE.

IT WAS DECLARED A BROWNFIELD BY THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

ANYWAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I THINK Y'ALL HAVE THE SENSE TO COME IN OUT OF THE RAIN AND TELL THIS DEVELOPER, NO, WE ARE NOT -- AND BY THE WAY, COULD YOU ASK THE DEVELOPER AND HIS COUNCIL FOR ANY ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY, ANALYZING THE CONTENTS OF THE SOIL? I WOULD SUGGEST IF THEY HAVE THEM, MAYBE SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY TO EPA REGION FOUR LAB. FIND OUT WHAT THE CHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS ARE OF THAT SOIL. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO IS BUYING THIS HOUSE, BUT WHOEVER BUYS THIS HOUSE IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A BABY OR A CHILD AND THEY WILL HAVE THEIR HANDS IN THE DIRT, AND WE WILL GIVE THEM THE CASE AGAINST. WHY? SO THAT CHESTER STOKES CAN MAKE MORE MONEY? I THINK THIS IS A NO-BRAINER. GARY HART, IN HIS FIRST YEAR OF THE SENATE, GAVE ALL OF THIS LEGISLATION WITH QUESTIONS TO

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ASK. IT SEEMS OUT TO US FROM THE 1970S. A LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL BASED ON NEED AND I THINK WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. UNDER THE PRIVATE PROPERTY PROTECTION ACT -- INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] NOT TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN TO THEM AND NOT TO AGGRAVATE. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? DO YOU HAVE ANY ANSWERS? BECAUSE THIS IS THE CRIMEA'S PROPOSAL I HAVE HEARD HERE IN A LONG TIME. THIS SHOULD BE GROUNDED DENIED.

INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] COULD CONTAMINATE LAND AND AGGRAVATE

FLOODING. THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL MCDONALD. FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND WHEN I THINK OF MARSH LANDING, THE KING TIDE'S THAT COME AFTER THEM REPEATEDLY. YOU CAN TAKE ROSCOE ROAD AND IT LOOKS LIKE MARSH LANDING IS CONSTANTLY UNDERWATER, IT DOES. IT IS COMPLETELY TIED UP. I THINK IF YOU INTERRUPT THE LITTLE BIT OF WATERSHED THAT THE GOLF COURSE HAS PROVIDED, IT IS GOING TO SPREAD WATER INTO THE ROAD, AND THEN TRAVEL DOWN, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE -- AND THEN YOU ARE DISTURBING A GOLF COURSE. I AM PRETTY SURE PEOPLE PAYING A PREMIUM TO LIVE ON A GOLF COURSE IN MARSH LANDING WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES PROTECTED, AND NOT HAVE SOMEBODY JUST STEP IN AND WANT TO BUILD ON DESIGNATED AREAS THAT HAS BEEN A GOLF COURSE FOR 35 YEARS OR LONGER. YEAH, I HOPE YOU GUYS STAND UP FOR THE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED HOMEOWNERS THAT WOULD FACE THIS, BECAUSE THIS ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SET PRECEDENTS, AS WELL. I WAS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. THERE ARE A LOT OF PLOTS AT MARSH LANDING THAT CHESTER CAN ACCESS. OBVIOUSLY, IT TAKES REZONING, BUT IF YOU SET PRECEDENTS, THAT IS ALL IT DOES. I HEARD THESE GENTLEMEN SAY, THESE WERE THE ONLY BUILDABLE LOTS IN THERE, AND THAT WAS QUICKLY DISMISSED. THERE ARE LOTS OF BUILDABLE LOTS IN THERE. I HOPE THEY DON'T GET BUILT, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO INTERRUPT THE REST OF THE WATERSHED THAT HAS BEEN THERE. I HOPE YOU GUYS PROTECT THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY VALUES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING TAX PREMIUMS FOR MANY

YEARS. >> I AM NEW TO THIS -- FIRST OF ALL, EDWARD PIKE, 32082. I AM A RESIDENT OF MARSH LANDING, BUT NOT IN THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. IF I WANT TO SHOW SOMETHING THAT I SAW OTHERS DO, CAN I DO THAT? I WILL JUST SET THIS DOWN, RIGHT HERE.

CAN SEE THAT -- THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID IN THIS MEETING EARLIER AND IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND THAT IS THE APPLICANT THAT IS REFERRING TO THIS QUOTE THAT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY PASSED BY HOMEOWNERS THAT AGREED TO THESE FOUR LOTS. WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU HERE IS WE WILL LOOK AT THIS, AND THIS IS A -- FROM MARSH LANDING MASTER ASSOCIATION COMMUNICATIONS TO HOMEOWNERS. THIS IS A RESULT OF THE JUNE 3RD MEETING. YOU SEE %-Ú SAYS, IN QUOTES, THIS IS THE ACTUAL BALLOT. THIS IS THE WORDING OF THE BALLOT THAT THE HOMEOWNERS RECEIVED. APPROVE THE ASSOCIATION BORROWING $3 MILLION IN AGREEMENTS BETWEEN MARSH LANDING MASTERS ASSOCIATION -- LOW VOLUME ] WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON WAS FOR THE MASTER ASSOCIATION -- DEPAY CONCERT GOLF $3 MILLION AND THEY IN TURN WOULD GIVE HOMEOWNERS THE SATISFACTION THAT THIS GOLF COURSE WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED IN PERPETUITY FOR THE RECREATION AREA. THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT THE FOUR LOTS. IT WAS A MISS COMMUNICATION. THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN THAT UNLESS THEY WENT TO TOWN HALL MEETINGS. THE SECOND POINT -- THIS IS, AGAIN, MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 16TH

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MASTER ASSOCIATION MEETING. AND THERE IS SOMETHING IN HERE --

>> YOU HAVE 34 SECONDS TO FIND IT.

>> IF I COULD JUST TAKE THIS UP HERE.

] NOTICED THIS, THE LOCATION OF FOUR LOTS FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS CHANGED. SO, NOT IN VIEW, OF COURSE, FOR CURRENT RESIDENCE. THIS IS AFTER THE FACT THAT IT WAS VOTED ON AND APPROVED, NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY WILL CHANGE THE

LOCATION OF FOUR LOTS POINT >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> ANYONE ELSE WITH A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY, SO, THIS BRINGS US BACK TO MR. BURNETT FOR FIVE

MINUTES. >>

>> THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD GO TO MY POWERPOINT, MAYBE SLOT -- FIVE SLIDES FROM THE END. SO, OKAY. THAT IS OKAY. I WILL BACK UP. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I ALREADY WENT OVER THE FACT THAT WITH TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, THE APPLICANT OWNERS AUTHORIZATION, THE REAL MDP MAP, THE TEXT AS A REDLINE, WE HAD THIS ISSUE WITH THE NOTICE, WE HAD A RECONCILIATION IF EVEN THE TEXT THAT HAS BEEN PUT THROUGH WITH A SMALL ADJUSTMENT. YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES IT END? IF YOU DON'T DRAW THE LINE IN THE GOLF COURSE? AND BY THE WAY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PONDS, THE PONDS WAS NOT IN THE CALENDAR. THE PONDS WAS IN THE CITY. THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES. THE HISTORIC CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. AND THE HOMES AROUND IT IS GOLF COURSE AND INDEPENDENT USE. SO, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE. FIRST, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THIS BIG, OPEN SPACE, RECREATION AREA ON THE GOLF COURSE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS MARKED AS AND WE ARE MOVING THAT. I JUST HAVE TO SKIP THROUGH A NUMBER OF THESE SLIDES TO GET BACK TO -- IF YOU WILL BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE MOMENT. BECAUSE I'VE GOT SOME SLIDES IN HERE THAT WILL HELP GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO THIS. CAN YOU SKIP FORWARD MAYBE 10 SLIDES? OKAY. I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING LOW ON TIME HERE. I GOT IT. THIS GETS ME CLOSE ENOUGH. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WAS IN THE APPLICATION, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, THIS ISSUE OF PLATTING. AND I WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING ABOUT RISK OF LOSS. PART OF WHAT THEY SAY IS, HEY, WE LOST PLOT NINE. AGAIN. WHAT IS THE RISK OF THAT? DO WE PUT THIS ON THE NEIGHBORS? THEY COULDN'T BUILD THIS LOT, IT SAT THERE FOREVER BECAUSE IT WAS WET AND NOW BECAUSE WE CAN'T BUILD ON IT, WE DID WANT TO PAY TAXES ON IT, SO WE HANDED IT OVER TO THE ASSOCIATION AND THE ASSOCIATION OWNS THE PROPERTY BUT TO MAKE UP FOR THAT, WE WILL PUT A LOT ON THE GOLF COURSE. I MEAN, THEY LOST A LOT WITH THOUSANDS OF LOTS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST LOOKING AT THE PLATTING ISSUE AND REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR CODE, INTENT OF YOUR CODE, I WILL SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE, IF YOU PULL THE DRAWINGS RIGHT OUT TO GET THE RIGHT ASPECT RATIO, YOU CAN VERY CLEARLY SEE WHAT THE TRACK LIMITATIONS ARE AGAIN. THIS IS ROUTINE, TO LOSE A LOT IN THE PROJECT. THE PLAT -- AND I THINK YOU WILL HEAR FROM MR. MILLER, HE WILL SHOW YOU -- HE HAS A PLAT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW

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WHAT? IT IS PLATTED LANDS. HERE'S ONE PLAT TO THE SUBSEQUENT PLATS. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT THAT THEY RELY ON IT IS LIKE, OH, IT IS UN-PLATTED. YOU SEE THE YELLOW, WHICH SAYS IT IS ON PLATTED, BUT THAT IS 1990. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, IN 1993 AND IN '95, WE HAVE A BOOK AND PAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS PLATTED AND THEY RELY ON THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. IT IS IN '95, FIVE YEARS LATER. SO, FIVE YEARS LATER, THEY PLATTED. AT 1990, IT WAS ON PLATTED AND FIVE YEARS LATER, THEY MADE A DECISION TO RECORD THE PLAT WITH THE COUNTY. THE OTHER THING IS, MR. MILLER DID REACH OUT TO ME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, AND WE ASKED HIM TO TELL US WHAT HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT, AND ALSO IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, I ASKED HIM A QUESTION, DOES THE DEVELOPER DENY THE FACT THAT HE SOLD THE LOTS AS A PREMIUM? AND AT THE TIME OF FILING THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ON FRIDAY, I HAD SOME TIME, BUT TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, HE GOT A RESPONSE TO THIS. AND FINALLY ON MONDAY, I GOT AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, BASICALLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION OF REPRESENTATION? DOES YOUR CLIENT DENY MAKING THE REPRESENTATION EQUAL BLIND FOR THE GOLF COURSE? YOU KNOW? THAT IS VERY CLEAR. I MEAN, I COULDN'T IMAGINE MY QUESTION NOT BEING ABLE TO BE UNDERSTOOD, IT WAS VERY CLEAR. AGAIN, THEY SOLD GOLF COURSE LOTS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN THERE AND WHAT HAS BEEN PUT BEFORE YOU, I WOULD TO SHOW YOU ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 9.007, THIS ACTUALLY APPLIES TO THIS APPLICATION.

YOU CAN DENY FOR THAT REASON, AS WELL. AND THEN, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR, NOT PREVIOUSLY, NOT TWO YEARS AGO, THIS IS THE ACTION FOR DEVELOPING THE GOLF COURSE LOTS. THEY ADOPTED SECTION 14.1 POINT

>> THANK YOU, MR. BURNETT POINT

>> ABOUT 96% -- >> THANK YOU, MR. BURNETT.

>> I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION ON THE POWER POINTS, BUT CAN GET THAT LINE BACK UP, PLEASE? ANY CONFUSION ON THE ML PARTNERSHIP? THIS IS THE CSLD LLC AND WHEN I WAS BROUGHT ONTO THIS AFTER IT WAS ORIGINALLY ILED, THAT WAS THIS YEAR, THIS IS THE EMAIL WE SENT TO THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH THE AUTHORIZATION. THEY AUTHORIZED ME TO ACT ON BEHALF OF -- AUTHORIZATION FROM BOTH OF THEM. THERE IS THE WARRANTY

DEED THAT WAS ATTACHED. >> THE MOST AMOUNT OF SLIDES EVER FOR ONE HOME, EVER. OKAY. APPLES AND ORANGES ON THIS ONE.

THIS IS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION NUMBER SEVEN. THERE WAS A COVENANT RESTRICTION PLACED ON THIS THAT SAID THE DEVELOPER, MR. STOKES, HAS THE RIGHT TO CONVERT ANY TRACK TO LOTS. THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY IN DIFFERENT HOA SUB ASSOCIATION.

HOWEVER, THAT PROPERTY PREVIOUS OWNER SIGNED CONSENT INTO HOA SIX. HOA SIX HAS THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE IN IT. SO, ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN HERE TOOK THE TITLE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SAME PROVISION THAT SAYS EXPRESSLY THAT ANY TRACKS CAN BE CONVERTED TO LOTS. ONE OTHER POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE WAIVER THEY WERE ASKING FOR. THE WAIVER IS THE ACTIVE RECREATION SECTION. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE NOT ACTIVELY RECREATIONAL. EXCEPT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 ACRES. TO BE CLEAR, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE DRI, OR JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE PERSON MIDWAY FOR THE ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION -- AN ACTIVE PREPARATION ON ONE SINGLE FAMILY LOT. THIS IS --

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ACTUALLY, MR. PEAKE SQUAT IS LOTS NUMBER TWO. THE PREDECESSOR BOUGHT 0.7 ACRES. THAT IS THE UN-PLATTED.

PORTIONS OF THIS GOLF COURSE WERE NOT PLATTED. SOME OF THEM WERE, SOME OF THEM WEREN'T. BUT, LOT E, THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE PARCEL, WAS PLATTED ON APRIL 11TH, 1995. COVENANT RESTRICTIONS I HAVE SHOWED YOU THAT SHOWS HE HAS THE RIGHT TO TURN ANY TRACK INTO LOTS WERE RECORDED IN JULY 17TH, 1995.

THAT WAS WELL BEFORE ANY OF THESE OWNERS CURRENTLY OWN THE PROPERTY, AND ALL OF THE TITLE REPORTS SHOULD REFLECT THAT.

BUT, MR. STOKES HAD TO OWN ALL OF THE LAND AND CIS ON THE PROPERTY. BUT, FOR THOSE LOTS, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS DID SIGN CONSENTS, SUBJECTING THEMSELVES TO COVENANT RESTRICTIONS THAT SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT MR. STOKES CAN TURN ANY TRACK OF LAND INTO A -- INTO A SINGLE FAMILY LOT. THIS IS ALSO A POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT ABOUT CONFUSION ABOUT MR. PEAKE'S HOME. YOU SEE THIS PROPERTY ON THE OUTER BOUNDS LINE, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EDGE THERE. I SHOWED YOU AN ACTUAL IMAGE EARLIER FROM OUT OF BOUNDS. BASED ON OUR APPRAISAL, THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING NEGATIVE ON THE LOSS THERE. MR. BURNETT BROUGHT UP SOME CASES, BUT I AM NOT BOARD-CERTIFIED. THE FIRST COUNTY JUDGE WHEN I WAS IN FRONT OF HIM HE SAID, DON'T JUST READ THE HEAD NOTES.

RECREATIONAL'S WERE DESIGNATED FOR THE SOLE USE OF RESIDENCE.

THE RIGHTS OF THE PLAT ARE ONLY IF THE PLAT COMMUNICATES THE RIGHT. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE PLAT THAT SAYS, THIS IS A GOLF COURSE FOR THE PUBLIC. AND ACTUALLY, THE WHIRLY CASE, THAT WAS FOR PUBLIC FUNDS, WHERE THE GOLF COURSE WAS AT.

- LOW VOLUME ] THE PROPERTY SAYS THAT MR. STOKES CAN CHANGE THE TRACK TO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS KIND OF HOPING I WOULD -- DISCUSSION OF THE PREMIUMS OF LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD.

ACTUALLY, I WENT BACK AND SEARCHED ALL OF THE ORIGINAL LOT SALES FROM THE EARLY 1990S OF ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.

THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE ON -- LOW VOLUME ] THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO HAD MARSH VIEWS AND THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN PRICES IN THE 1990S DUE TO RECESSION. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE WAS --

INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] >> I WAS KIND OF HOPING THAT MR. BURNETT WOULD NOT BRING THIS UP, BUT HE BROUGHT UP A STATEMENT BY THE MARSH LANDING ASSOCIATION IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, AND THEY VOTED TO SAY, NO MORE DEVELOPMENT ON GOLF COURSES, BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE. WHAT THEY VOTED ON IS TO PUT IN THEIR OWN COVENANT RESTRICTIONS, THE SAME COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT MR. STOKES PUT ON HIS PROPERTY, THE GOLF COURSE, TWO YEARS AGO. WHAT IS ACCEPTED FROM THAT IN THOSE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. SO, WHAT THE HOA ACTUALLY VOTED ON IN JUNE IS SAYING, YES, WE ARE ADOPTING THESE COVENANT

RESTRICTIONS AS OUR OWN. >> AGAIN, IF THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. WE HAVE MR. GAYLOR HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS DURING THE HEARING. I THANK THE BOARD FOR

ITS TIME. >> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. WE ARE NOW GOING BACK TO THE BOARD. I DO WANT TO PUT OUT FOR THE BOARD'S SAKE AND PUBLIC SAKE THAT WE DO HAVE TO END THIS MEETING AT 5:00 AND RECONVENE AT 5:01 FOR OUR

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BUDGET HEARING. SO, AT THAT POINT, WE WILL PICK UP WHAT IS LEFT FOR THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED BOARD MEETING TO FINISH SOMETIME THIS EVENING. BACK AND FORTH. ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS? COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> IT HAS BEEN A VERY LONG DAY, AT LEAST FOR ME, AND I'M GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO, MR. MILLER, I THOUGHT BECAUSE OF MY RECENT PAST WITH THE MARSH LANDING ISSUES, I HAVE HEARD FROM VARIOUS OWNERS ON VARIOUS THINGS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT I THOUGHT THAT MR. STOKES SOLD THE GOLF COURSE. AND IN FACT, THE HOMEOWNERS ACTUALLY PUT UP AROUND $3 MILLION FOR THE SALE OF THE GOLF COURSE TO THE NEW

OWNERS. HAS THAT HAPPENED? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THAT HAPPENED -- TWO YEARS AGO? OCTOBER 27TH, SO ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TWO PARCELS THAT WERE

RESERVED. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. I'M CURIOUS, NUMBER ONE, ABOUT IF THAT SALE WENT FORWARD

-- BE NECK YES. >> OKAY. I MAY HAVE FOUND A GOLF COURSE AND PSALMODY BUILT A HOUSE ON THE FAIRWAY, I SAID, OH, THAT IS A HAZARD. BUT, I MEAN, AGAIN, I MAY BE CONFUSED.

AGREEMENTS WITH THE GOLF COURSE, THEY HAVE CONSENTED TO THIS AND THEY HAVE AGREED CONTRACTUALLY TO WORK WITH US.

IT WAS VERY PICK CLEAR OUT OF THE COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS, THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HOME FAIR AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH US ON THAT AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH THEM AS FAR AS THESE VISITS. THIS NOT TO INTERRUPT THE GOLF

COURSE. >> OKAY, SURE. I HAD THAT ONE

FLOATED. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> I, ON PURPOSE, DIDN'T WATCH THE PCA.

>> THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO LISTEN TO THE WHOLE PRESENTATION, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, WHEN I FIRST SAW WHERE THE HOUSE WOULD BE, I FELT LIKE I WAS BACK ON ANASTASIA ISLAND, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NUMBER NINE WOULDN'T BE SATISFACTORY, THE ORIGINAL LOT. I KNOW THE ORIGINAL VALUE OF THE HOMES BOUGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE WOULD GO DOWN AS OF TODAY OR WHENEVER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. I'M WORRIED THEY WOULD BUILD FENCES AROUND IT. I JUST DON'T FEEL IT IS COMPATIBLE, AND I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, SO I

AM GOING AGAINST THIS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, THOUGHTS, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> YEAH, THIS IS SORT OF A TOUGH ONE, BECAUSE YOU ARE BUILDING A HOME ON WHAT IS A GOLF COURSE, BUT IT JUST BOILS DOWN ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. WE HAD SOME REALLY TALENTED ATTORNEYS THROWING A LOT AT US, AND FOR ME, I AM JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT. DO THEY, OR DO THEY NOT, HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD? BECAUSE THIS DISCLOSURE WAS MENTIONING WHEN SOMEBODY PURCHASED THEIR HOME, IF THE HOA AGREED TO PROHIBIT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GOLF COURSE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE LOTS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PERHAPS THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD ON THIS SPECIFIC LOT OF ONE SINGLE HOME. THE WAIVER FOR RECREATION -- WHICH EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW BY NOW -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FILED, IN MY OPINION. BUT, THE RIGHT TO BUILD ONE HOME ON THIS PARCEL, AND THE MANY FACTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY. SO, IT IS NOT AN EASY DECISION, BUT I THINK WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> EVEN IF IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO

THE FLOODING IN THAT AREA? >> COMMISSIONER, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EVIDENCE PRESENTED YET THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THIS WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE FLOODING. I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IS GOING THROUGH STUFF REVIEW. SO, I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YET, AS PRESENTED. HOW ONE HOUSE WOULD FLOOD THE

ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. >> THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHURST.

MR. MILLER, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. THEY ARE REDESIGNING THE GOLF COURSE AROUND THIS, CORRECT?

>> NO. THIS IS -- ACTUALLY, THIS SLIDE WOULD HELP. BUT,

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THIS IS THE TEED -- THE TEE BOX, THE PAR 5.

>> SO, TAKE IT DOWN TO 3? >> NO, NO, IT WOULD BE A PART 4. THERE IS A NARROW WATER HAZARD THAT IS SORT OF UNNECESSARILY SHORT OF THE DRAIN. IT WOULD EITHER GO TO A PAR 4 OR --

SHORTER PAR 5. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. I TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ON THIS ONE BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS. SO, I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> WELL, I THINK THIS IS -- PERSONALLY, I THINK APPROVING THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL AN UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE AND THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE OWNER IS THAT BASED ON HIS AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THIS, LEGALLY, I THINK THAT I HAVE REALLY ALMOST NO CHOICE. AND CERTAINLY, WHENEVER THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT, IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THE COUNTY STANDARDS FOR DRAINAGE FOR MARSH LANDING. ANYWAY, BASED ON THE NEW OWNER, THE GOLF COURSE OWNER, ADDING ESSENCE TO THIS AS PART OF THE DEED TRANSFER, I THINK THAT LEGALLY, I FEEL COMPELLED TO VOTE YES TO THIS.

>> IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE OUR HANDS ARE TIED.

>> PRETTY MUCH. >> YEAH.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO MOVE IT.

WELL, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2024 MINUS --

>> 25. >> MARSH LANDING GOLF COURSE LOT, TOTAL BUDGET OF 1 MILLION $750,868,966.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE. IS THAT OKAY? SINCE THE MOTION IS ON THE TABLE.

>> I THINK SOMEONE NEEDS TO START DRAWING THE LINE. I COMMIT TO NEXT YEAR, WORKING FOR ROLLBACK FOR THIS COUNTY AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. IT'S A TOUGH PLACE TO LIVE.

EVERYONE NEEDS BRICK. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT BEFORE I VOTE.

THANK YOU. >> THAT PASSES, 4-1.

>> THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR BUDGET --

>> WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. RECONVENE US INTO OUR REGULAR

AGENDA ITEMS. >>

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

TOLERANCE AND NUMBER, BUT WE OUGHT TO GET A RANGE. I THINK YOU ARE DESERVING OF AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. IF YOU SET IT

UP . >> THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE AND 10. 10 BEING QUITE I JUDICIAL -- CAUSE I

JUDICIAL -- >> 10. MEETING WITH KAREN TAYLOR. I THINK ONE OF THE OWNERS WAS THERE, TOO, BUT

IT'S NOT ON THERE. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE NO EMAILS OR RECOLLECTION OF MEETINGS.

>> I MYSELF HAVE NO EMAILS OR MEETINGS.

>> NO RECORD OF EMAILS OR MEETINGS.

>> COMMISSIONER VESTRY. >> ONE EMAIL IN THE RECORD. IN A MEETING WITH KAREN TAYLOR AND

>> BEFORE WE GET STARTED I WOULD LIKE TO STAY FOR THE RECORD I AM NO RELATION -- TO MY KNOWLEDGE. THANK YOU, MS.

TAYLOR. >> THANK YOU. KAREN TAYLOR, 77 . WITH ME I HAVE PETE'S, WHICH WAS REFERRED TO AS WELL AS HIS SISTER KATIE, AND AMY . THE OTHER SISTER IS HOPING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR MOTHER, SO SHE COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, NON-ZONING VARIANCE. THIS IS THE REQUEST. TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TWO SOAP CULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL A. THERE IS A NON-ZONING VARIANCE REQUEST TO WAIVE THE SUBJECT

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DIVISION REQUIREMENTS. FOR HAVING TO PLOT A PIECE OF PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WHERE IT IS. ON THE END OF PINE ISLAND ROAD. 11 POINT 29 -- 11.29 ACRES ON THE EAST PART. PURCHASED IN THE LATE '40S BY THE GREAT-GRANDFATHER. IT HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME.

THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE IT IS. TO THE NORTH . YOU SEE THE END OF PINE ISLAND ROAD. I HAVE IT IN YELLOW, THE TWO PIECES CONSIDERED FOR THE AMENDMENT.

THE ONE THAT IS CHECKERED IN YELLOW TO THE LEFT , TO THE EAST -- TO THE WEST , IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE OWNERSHIP . BUT THEY DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE THE LAND-USE -- TO BE ABLE TO PUT A HOME ON THAT. THAT'S WHY THAT'S OFFICIALLY OUT. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A WHOLE BUNCH. PROBABLY READ SOME OF THIS IN THE BOOKLETS, ANYWAY. IT GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT'S AROUND IT, TOO. UP HERE. CROSS WATER PARKWAY THAT COMES IN. THIS IS WHERE THE PAVEMENT ENDS FOR THE PAVING THERE. THEN YOU HAVE -- INTENSE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. THEY DON'T WANT TO DO MUCH. I WILL SHOW YOU. I KNOW YOU CAN SEE THE LAND-USE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. IT IS ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF AN ENCLAVE OF CULTURE. COMMERCIAL DOWN AT THE END. ON THE WATERFRONT, WHATEVER, WHICH IS BEING USED AS A RESIDENTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THIS CHANGE WOULD TAKE THIS TO THE RESIDENTIAL A .

ZONING WOULD STAY THE SAME. TWO START WITH. IT WOULD BE OR FINISHING THE ZONING. SOMETHING TO SHOW WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY COMES. THIS IS RIGHT OUTSIDE OF IT. IT IS FOR THE 11 ACRES. FOR THE FAMILY TO DO PROPERTY DIVISION FOR THE CHILDREN. THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST THAT. THE RURAL CULTURE REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE 40 ACRES FOR A HOME FOR A LAW ESTABLISHED BEFORE 1990. ONCE YOU START WANTING TO DIVIDE THIS THERE ARE TWO PARCELS HERE. ONCE YOU START DIVIDING THAT BETWEEN THE FAMILY MEMBERS, THEN THAT DOESN'T WORK. WE DO HAVE DAY. IN LOOKING AT IT, THOSE ARE THE TWO PARCELS. GIVES YOU A GOOD VIEW OF THE TWO PIECES. ONE IS 5.23 ACRES. THEY HAVE A LOT OF FRONTAGE ON STREET WATER CREEK. THERE'S ALSO MARSH. YOU CAN SEE ON OUR MAPS IS SHOWING WHAT THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WILL BE FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE. ALSO, JUST TO NOTE , THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS. THE LAND ELEVATION CERTAINLY GETS LOW TOWARDS THE CREEK AND GETS HIGHER AS YOU GET TO PINE ISLAND ROAD. IT'S NATURAL THAT ANY HOMESITES OR ANYTHING WILL BE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THOSE LOTS.

THIS IS THE PROVISION FOR WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO . THAT'S THE SEVEN PARCELS ON THESE TWO PIECES. THAT WOULD GIVE EACH OF THEM -- AND THEY HAVE THE OTHER ONE . SHOWN TO THE WEST. THAT WOULD GIVE THEM EIGHTS. EACH CHILD WOULD HAVE TWO. ONE FOR THEMSELVES AND ONE FOR A CHILD, HOWEVER THAT MIGHT WORK. THERE IS NO SEWER OR CENTRAL WATER OUT HERE, IT IS WELL AND SEPTIC PICK SOME REQUIREMENTS . WE WILL SEE WHEN WE GET TO THE VARIANCE, AS WELL. THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE SITUATION AND WHERE THERE -- IF THERE'S NO IMPACTS. IF IT GOES TO ANY.

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THIS, I THOUGHT, SHOWS YOU THE FLOOD AREA RELATIONSHIP , TOO, AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHERE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS AROUND IT. I ALSO INCLUDED THIS, AS WELL. WITHOUT ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY , NO PHIL HAS BEEN DONE OR ANYTHING. YOU CAN SEE THE ZONE THEY ARE IN IS THE SAME AS WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED . THEY ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE THERE. THE SECOND REQUEST IS A VARIANCE. I'M GOING TO GO INTO THAT, AS WELL. THAT'S TO DO THOSE SEVEN LOTS THAT I SHOWED YOU. THERE ARE SECTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. IT REALLY IS TO AVOID A SUBDIVISION. YOU DO THE SAME THING FOR THE SEVEN LOTS AS YOU WOULD DO FOR 100 LOTS, WHATEVER. THERE'S NO ROADS PLAN. NO WHATEVER. THEY CAN HANDLE THEIR STORMWATER DRAINAGE ON THEIR LOTS. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THERE'S ALSO PROVISION IN YOUR CODE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAVE PINE ISLAND ROAD. IF ANY OF YOU HAPPEN TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE THAT, YOU WOULD KNOW THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE THERE DON'T WANT THAT PAVED. NEITHER DO THEY. WE WOULD BE LOOKING OUT WAIVERS TO ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AS WELL. THEY CAN DO STORMWATER ON THEIR LOTS. AGAIN, SAME THING. SHOWING THE DIVISION.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE IF YOU READ THROUGH THEM. LIKE I SAID, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALONG THE AREA. IT'S NOT THAT DIFFERENT. THEY KNOW ALL THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. NOBODY HAS ANY BIG ISSUES WITH IT. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH THE DIFFERENT THINGS. A FEW PICTURES MIGHT BE NICE . THAT IS PINE ISLAND ROAD. YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ERIC AND SOME OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDY . I PULLED SOME PICTURES FROM THAT. JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT IS DOWN BY THE CREEK. LOOKING AT THAT . YOU CAN SEE THOU WHOLE VEGETATION -- WHAT THESE LOCKS ARE .

MARSHLAND AND STUFF. THESE KIDS GREW UP ON THIS. THE AMOUNT AT PARTIES. THINGS WITH THEIR FAMILIES, STUFF LIKE THAT.

THERE'S A CONNECTION. THIS IS WHERE THE ROAD, BASICALLY, ENDS FROM BEING PAVED TO NONPAVED. THEN YOU GET BACK INTO THE WORLD. NOW YOU ARE AT THE SCHOOL. NOW YOU'RE AT THE DIFFERENT THINGS. ONCE YOU GO PAST THAT HERE , LIKE I SAID, IT IS FLORIDA. THEN THE SCHOOL. THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES JUST A FEW MORE PICTURES . THE LAST ONE I SHOW THE SITE ANYWAY. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE COMP PLAN -- PLAN AMANDA WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE SEVEN , AS WE HAVE SHOWN ON THE PLAN. THAT IS ON THE GENERALIZED SITE PLAN. THE SECOND WOULD BE THE NON-ZONING VARIANCE. SAME THING. THAT IS TO ASK YOU REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR US TO HAVE TO DO A SUBDIVIION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU, MS. TAYLOR. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS NINE AND 10. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> -- PROPOSAL. I WILL SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU FOR PHOTOGRAPHS. I'M REMINDING US WHAT GOD'S COUNTRIES TO LOOK LIKE. ALL THE OVER DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS WE ARE MAKING HER ALL THE TIME .

NATURE HAS TO BE PRESERVED. OUR WAY OF LIFE HAS TO BE PRESERVED. MY FRIEND, HENRY, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CALLED THIS.

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GOD'S COUNTRY. WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO DESTROY IT. EVERY SINGLE MEETING COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ERIC

>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE A MOTION? I APPROVE A MOTION TO ENACT ACCORDANCE -- ARNOLD FAMILY LEGACY, BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN STAFF REPORTS.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NZVAR 2024-09 ARNOLD FAMILY LEGACY. ROADWAY DESIGN TO ALLOW FOR THE DIVISION OF TWO

UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS. >> LET ME SAY QUICKLY, SINCE IT'S BROUGHT UP , MADAM CHAIR.

>> OF COURSE. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S LOVELY. JUST TO THE SOUTH, OUR AIRPORT ON U.S. ONE, THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS , PROMOTING AND PUSHING HARD FOR ACQUISITION . GOOD NEWS, LAST

[11. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2024-03 4560 Race Track Road PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the 4560 Race Track Road PUD (Ordinance 2017-02, as amended) to add approximately 0.1 acres to the project boundary and update the Master Development Plan Map by adding an interconnectivity access point to the adjoining Parkway Place PUD to provide access to CR 2209 (Saint Johns Parkway). This request was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on Thursday, August 15, 2024, and was recommended for approval, 6-0.]

WEEK ABOUT THE COMMITTEE IN TALLAHASSEE VOTED UNANIMOUS TO GO FORWARD AND PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION MEANT -- ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE CABINET. IT'S 20 ACRES. THIS PARCEL -- IT'S NOT FAR FROM HERE. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. I WANTED TO COVER THAT ON THE

REPORTS. >> EXCELLENT NEWS, THANK YOU FOR SHARING. OKAY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> NO EMAILS, NO MEETINGS. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

>> THANK YOU. NO EMAILS, NO MEETINGS.

>> I HAVE NO RECORD OF THE EMAILS OR MEETINGS.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> NO MEETINGS. >> OKAY . GOOD EVENING.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH. I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS BRIEF. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 1/10 OF AN ACRE. THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE RACETRACK. THE PROJECT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS IN THE AUDIENCE IN CASE WE HAVE TRAFFIC QUESTIONS. AND THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT . THE PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS AT RACETRACK ROAD AND SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY. THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF THE COUNTY. THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY IS COMMUNITY-COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING, CURRENTLY, IS PUD. BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PUD. THIS PUD, THE LONG SKINNY PIECE, IS CALLED -- OH MY GOSH. I'M HAVING A MOMENT.

I FORGOT IT. PARKWAY PLACE. THAT PROPERTY -- THAT WAS DONE BY CORNER LOTS, COMMERCIAL DIVISION SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

THEY PROVIDED FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY FOR THIS SITE TO HAVE ACCESS ONTO ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY.

THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION IS TO THEN MODIFY THIS RACETRACK ROAD PUD, 4560 , TO INTERCONNECT WITH THE EXISTING. THE EXISTING PUD, 4560, INCLUDES 170,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT AND RETAIL USES. NO RESIDENTIAL UNIT , ONE 10 YEAR PHASE. WE ARE POTTERING -- ADDING 1/10 OF AN ACRE TO CONNECT THE TWO TOGETHER AND UPDATING THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW THAT INTERCONNECTION. BY YOUR CODE WE HAVE TO DO THAT MAJOR MOD. HERE'S THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE. HERE'S THE 1/10 OF AN ACRE THAT WAS ACQUIRED SO THIS PROPERTY WITH TOUCH PARKWAY PLACE TO PROVIDE THE

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INTERCONNECTION WITH ST. JOHN'S PARKWAY. NO OUTSTANDING COMMENTS. VOTED UNANIMOUSLY . WE REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION TODAY. I'M HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS?

[12. Funding request to address safety concerns at the St. Johns County Ocean Pier. St. Johns County Facilities Maintenance identified decay in the pier’s support pillars during an inspection. A structural engineering firm was consulted, and, as a precaution, the easternmost 100 feet of the pier was closed on August 27. Staff is requesting up to $3 million from Tourist Development Tax, Category Five for engineering and construction to retrofit the pylons, extending the pier's life by an estimated 20 years.]

OKAY, WE WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT

ORDINANCE 2024 -- >> 47.

>> APPROVING MAJOR MOD 2024-034560 RACETRACK ROAD PUD.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. BRINGS US

TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. >> GOOD EVENING .

>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. DANIEL WHITCRAFT. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY PURE . THREE ITEMS. GIVE YOU A STATUS UPDATE. A CLOSED REPAIR TO THE PEER -- PIER, AND A REQUEST TO FUND THE REPAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE OF HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. FACILITIES, WE PERFORM A BIANNUAL INSPECTION TO THE PIER. THE LAST INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED APRIL OF THIS YEAR. PRIOR TO BE TRUE NOURISHMENT.

THE INSPECTION WAS ABOVE AND BELOW WATER WITH DIVERS IN THE WATER. INSPECTED THE PILING -- PYLONS. FAST FORWARD TO THE END OF AUGUST. AUGUST 21ST. REPORTED TO FACILITIES. AND DETACHED FROM NUMBER 16. UPON ARRIVAL WE REMOVED THE METAL.

WE IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE INSPECTION COMPANY. THE COMPANY WE USE TO PERFORM OUR INSPECTIONS TO COME OUT AND DO A REINSPECTION BECAUSE THERE WAS EXPOSED CONCRETE . TO DO A REINSPECTION TO THAT PARTICULAR ONE. CURRENT STATUS. AFTER WE GOT THE REINSPECTION , THE ENGINEERING FIRM , THE INSPECTION COMPANY, RECOMMENDED WE CLOSE THE EASTERNMOST SECTION OF THE PIER. APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET . STAFF MET WITH THE COMPANY TO REVIEW SHORT AND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.

PROPOSING A LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO FIX WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED -- TO ADDRESSED PILINGS AND CAP SECTION 94 16, WHICH I WILL SHARE IN A SECOND. WE HAVE RECEIVED AN OPINION FOR LONG-TERM REPAIRS REQUEST AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS WHERE THE SECTION THAT -- MINE BEING TO OUR LEFT. ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE EASTERNMOST SECTION , NUMBER 16. OBVIOUSLY THIS PHOTO PRIOR TO THE BEACH NOURISHMENT. A CAVEAT. GIVEN ALL THAT WE HAVE SAND, IT DOES MAKE IT , LOGISTICALLY, IT MAKES THE REPAIR -- IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US. WE GET TO WORK OFF OF SAND VERSUS HAVING TO WORK HIGHER UP , POTENTIALLY, OFF THE TOP OF THE PIER . NEXT STEPS , WE WILL WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM ON THE NEW JACKETT SYSTEM. SECTION 94 16.

WE ARE WORKING WITH PROCUREMENT TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR CONTRACTING SERVICES. POTENTIALLY WORKING WITH CONTINUING CONTRACTS . WE ARE ALSO INVESTIGATING -- ONE POTENTIAL DRAG ON THE SCHEDULE . SOME OF THE PERMITTING WE MAY HAVE TO DO. OF COURSE, THE FUNDING APPROVAL . WITH THAT, I

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WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AS THE LIAISON, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY. WE RECEIVED UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS TO USE CATEGORY 5 BEACH ASSETS TO FUND THIS . THE EXTRA SAND TURNED OUT TO BE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE. ABLE TO CATCH THOSE SOON ENOUGH. OKAY, LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM

12. THESE COME FORWARD. >> POINT OUT, THE PIER, 10 YEARS AGO , WAS SAID TO BE ENDING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE. I SPOKE WITH SUGGESTION FOR HIM AND HE HAD A SUGGESTION FOR ME. THIS WAS A TIME FOR -- FOR THE EMBASSY SUITES WAS BUILT. THE HOTEL ON THE PRIOR SIDE WAS ABOUT TO BE DEMOLISHED. I SUGGESTED, WHY NOT, HAVE THE CITY AND COUNTY AND STATE WORK TOGETHER TO HAVE ONE CONTINUOUS PERK? AND A HOTEL ON TOP. HE SUGGESTED I TALK TO A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF -- THE FORMER MAYOR OF MIAMI BEACH. MANAGING PARTNER OF THE MIAMI OFFICE OF THE LAW FIRM.

HE CALLED ME UP AT 10:30 AT NIGHT. RIGHT AWAY. HE SAID, YOU CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING OVER THE OCEAN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, STATE LAW. I SAID WHAT ABOUT OIL PLATFORMS? THEY DO. WHAT MY SUGGESTION WAS, AT THAT TIME , AND A MISSED OPPORTUNITY, WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE HOTEL OWNER TO BUILD A HOTEL ON TOP OF THE NEW PIER . A BIG PEERS APPEAR THAT WOULD INCLUDE A 24-HOUR SHOPPING OPPORTUNITY . SMALL BUSINESS NURSERY. FISH MARKET , FARMERS MARKET. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. ALL OF THAT COULD BE UNDER THE PIER -- UNDER THE HOTEL. HE LIKED IT. HE SAID HE WOULD BRING IT UP TO HIS CLIENT. I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM HIM. THAT IS THE CREATIVE THINKING, OUT OF THE BOX, THAT WE NEED. MY QUESTION NOW IS, OKAY, HOW LONG IS THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE PIER AFTER THESE IMPROVEMENTS? WHY AREN'T CITIZEN SUGGESTIONS LIKE THAT TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY? WHY IS IT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS TO DO EVERYTHING HALFWAY WITH BAD PLANNING. WE KNEW 10 YEARS AGO THIS PIER WAS FALLING APART .

AND NEARING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE. WE COULD'VE DONE SOMETHING DECENT. WE COULD'VE HAD A CIVIL RIGHTS MUSEUM IN THERE. HONORING THE PEOPLE WHO WAITED IN IN THE BEACH IN 1964.

ARRESTED AND HARASSED BY REDNECK SWIMMING. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IN FACT, THE HUSBAND OF A FORMER MAYOR OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, ROBERT SAMUELS , SAID TO ME, WE DON'T NEED A CIVIL RIGHTS MUSEUM. YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME HERE AT ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. POSITIVE -- WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO CRITICAL THINKING. I'M SO GLAD WE ARE DOING A PLANNING PROCESS, BUT IT'S ABOUT TIME, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I WANT TO BRING UP TO ED THAT I DID TALK TO JOY AND DYLAN ABOUT MAKING NOT LONGER WHILE WE ARE OUT THERE. AND MAKING IT A TOURIST ATTRACTION.

THAT WOULD BE COOL AND MAKE MORE MONEY. IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. THAT COULD STILL BE AN OPTION. I DON'T KNOW. DYLAN WAS EXCITED WE COULD DO SOMETHING SINCE WE ARE ALREADY

DOING IT. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, I THINK AT A MEETING YESTERDAY THEY DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF THE PIER ERICA FINKE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD WAS THERE. THEY HAD DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS.

MODIFICATIONS TO THE PIER. GOING OUT . PERHAPS TO A T DESIGN. JUST TO EXPLORE THAT AS WELL. FIRST AND FOREMOST PRIORITY IS THINKING OUT OF THE BOX FOR A WHILE THERE.

>> MADAM CHAIR WANTED TO MENTION , WITH THIS REPAIR, WE

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ANTICIPATE A STRUCTURAL LIFE OF 20 YEARS.

>> THAT'S FANTASTIC. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> THIS IS FOR, AS I SAID, FOR DIRECTION. I AM PREPARED TO SUGGEST A CONSENSUS OR MOTION.

WHICH OF HER PREFERENCE. >> MOTION.

>> LET ME MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO GO FORWARD WITH THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS , OR INVESTIGATION , AND COME BACK AND REPORT TO US . WITH THE DAMAGES. WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR CORRECTION FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE PIER , AND WHAT THE COST ESTIMATE , NOT TO EXCEED IS , FOR US TO CONSIDER. THOSE THREE POINTS. THAT WOULD BE MY

MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> AND I MAKE A COMMENT? DID WE NOT ALREADY DO THAT? DID WE NOT ALREADY -- I MEAN, DID WE NOT ALREADY DO THOSE THINGS? I THINK IT WOULD BE MAKING A MOTION TO ACTUALLY FIX IT.

>> I DON'T THINK -- I MEAN, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM SEEKING FOR DIRECTION. I WAS TRYING TO APPLY THAT FOR DIRECTION.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> LET ME ASK THE STAFF . IS THAT NEEDED? IS THE MOTION NEEDED? COVERS EVERYTHING YOU

WOULD LIKE COVERED. >> TO BACK UP, WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. WE DO HAVE A SCOPE TO PERFORM THESE REPAIRS . WE DO HAVE A COST.

THAT IS MORE THAN -- WHERE THE $3 MILLION COMES IN. OUR FORMAL

[13. Public Hearing * St. Johns County Administrator Ordinance Amendment. First Reading to reinstate and amend Ordinance 2010-47 to require a majority plus one vote of the Board of County Commissioners to further change any of the provisions of this St. Johns County Administrator Ordinance. The Purpose of this Ordinance is to provide for a form of County administration that best assures the adequate and efficient provision of services to the citizens of St. Johns County, Florida; provide for coordinated administration of County departments to better protect the health, welfare, safety and quality of life of the residents of St. Johns County, Florida; and place in the hands of a County Administrator the multitude of details which must necessarily arise from the operation of the County as a unit of local government and thus, enable the Board of County Commissioners to perform, without unnecessary interruption, its fundamental intended purpose of making policies and providing direction to the County Administrator pertaining to administration within the framework of law applicable to County government in this state. Further, the purpose of this Ordinance is to provide a structure for the economic and efficient conduct of County affairs by making the County Administrator responsible for handling all matters necessary to accomplish and bring to fruition the policies and directives established by the Board of County Commissioners.]

REQUEST TO FIND --

>> LET ME AMEND MY MOTION. BASICALLY DIRECT STAFF TO GO FORWARD . I STAND CORRECTED. ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK I FOLLOWED THIS AS CLOSELY AS I SHOULD HAVE. DIRECT TO GO FORWARD BASED ON WHAT THIS REQUEST IS , INCLUDING THE

FUNDING. >> SECONDS.

>> MOTION. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13.

>> FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS AN ORDINANCE . THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ORDINANCE WILL BE AMENDED IN THE FUTURE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> I STILL HAVE ISSUES THAT I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS -- IT WAS ON A DRAFT AGENDA FROM 10 DAYS AGO. I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT WITHOUT ANY KIND OF -- WITHOUT THE ADMINISTRATOR TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT, WITHOUT YOU TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT. IN THE OLD DAYS, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD GO TO EACH COMMISSIONER AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT. DID HE COME TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT EARLIER THAN YESTERDAY OR

THURSDAY? >> DURING OUR BRIEFING.

>> YEAH, DURING BRIEFING. >> HOW DID IT GET ON THE AGENDA? IS IT FROM RICH OR THE CHAIR?

>> IT IS FROM MYSELF. >> OKAY, GOOD. YOU KNEW ABOUT

IT BEFORE THURSDAY. >> YES, BUT IT'S ONLY THE

FIRST READING. >> IT STILL DOESN'T MATTER. IT WOULD BE NICE -- I MEAN WE NORMALLY DO AN ORDINANCE. TALK TO COMMISSIONER DEAN AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE A CONSENSUS. WE WOULD DISCUSS IT. THE RED LINE. WE HAVE NONE OF THAT. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. BEFORE WE VOTE -- I GUESS WE ARE NOT VOTING ON IT. THE WHOLE COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, I DON'T THINK THIS CURRENT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CAN PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT BINDS A FUTURE BOARD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH .

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE TERMS --

ADMINISTRATOR CONTRACT ? >> YES, SIR.

>> DOESN'T THE CONTRACT DICTATE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A -- TO HIRE, FIRE , OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION?

>> YES. >> TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, I THINK THE CONTRACT INCLUDED THE SAME PROVISION . I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE HIS CONTRACT INCLUDED THE SAME PROVISION. I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRIOR DIRECTOR. THIS IS PURELY -- TO BRING THE ORDINANCE INTO LINE

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WITH WHAT THE CONTRACT HAS TO SAY. THE CONTRACT WOULD STILL PROHIBIT THIS BOARD FROM FIRING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITH A

VOTE. IS THAT TRUE OR NOT? >> THAT IS TRUE. THE PROVISION

HAS BEEN SINCE 1999. >> FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, SINCE IS THE ONLY TIME I CAN TALK TO COMMISSIONERS ON THIS BOARD, IT SEEMS PURELY MINISTERIAL. AN ADMINISTRATIVE INCONSISTENCY WE NEED TO BRING INTO ALIGNMENT. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. COMMISSIONER

ALAIMO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH'S COMMENTS , ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DO ALL

THE TIME, THOUGH? >> THAT AFFECTS A BEAT --

FUTURE BOARD. >> RIGHT.

>>!, WHEN YOU ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT --

>> IS IT LEGAL? CAN WE DO IT? >> YES, YOU CAN CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT QUESTIONS? SEEING HOW IT'S THE FIRST READING, NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL DO THAT WHEN WE BRING IT BACK.

>> DID ANYONE READ IT? ARE WE READING IT OUT LOUD? WHAT'S

GOING ON? >>

[5. Motion to adopt Resolution 2024- , approving the 2020 Federal Highway Administration adjusted urban area boundary for St. Johns County, Florida, and functional classifications for St. Johns County, Florida, prepared by the Florida Department of Transportation. For more information, contact Dick D'Souza, Growth Management Assistant Director at 904 209-0792]

>> WE DON'T WANT TO READ IT ON THE RECORD. OKAY.

>> AND ORDINANCE OF ST. JOHN'S -- FIRST READING TO REINSTATE AND AMEND ORDINANCE 2010-47 TO REQUIRE A MAJORITY PLUS ONE VOTE OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO FURTHER CHANGE ANY OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ST. JOHNS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR

ORDINANCE. THAT IS THE TITLE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 14, FORMALLY CONSENT ITEM FIVE.

>> DID EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. AGENDA ITEM 14. APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY OF THE URBAN AREA BOUNDARIES UPDATED BASED OFF THE 2020 CENSUS. A REQUIREMENT OF D.O.T. THESE MAPS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ALL. FOR THE ENTIRE AREA BY THE TPO. D.O.T.

HAS REQUESTED EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNTY APPROVED THEIR SECTION OF THE TOTAL METROPOLITAN AREA SHOWN IN THE URBAN AREAS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TODAY FOR SIGNATURE. THE LARGEST CHANGE YOU CAN SEE IN THIS MAP, COMPARED TO PREVIOUS ITERATION IS THE DEVELOPMENT AND WORLD GOLF VILLAGE ARE NOW INCLUDED IN THE BOUNDARY. OTHERWISE IT REMAINS GENERALLY UNCHANGED.

>> THANK YOU. >> TO HAVE THE MAP?

>> I DID NOT CREATE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE SO I DO NOT HAVE A MAP READILY AVAILABLE.

>> I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAW THIS.

THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE URBAN AREA GOT BIGGER.

>> THE URBAN AREA HAS CHANGED BECAUSE THIS IS BASED OFF THE CENSUS FROM THE 2020 CENSUS. D.O.T. HAS THEIR OWN METRICS TO USE FOR FINDING WHAT THE URBAN AREAS ARE. THIS GENERALLY SETS THE STANDARDS BY THE ROADS UNDER D.O.T. JURISDICTION FUNCTION. D.O.T. USES TO DESCRIBE RIGHTS-OF-WAY. THAT'S WHAT THE CHANGES . RECOGNIZING WE'VE HAD POPULATION GROWTH IN AREAS. THOSE ROADS NEED TO FUNCTION IN A CERTAIN WAY BASED OFF THE NEEDS OF GENERAL PUBLIC USING THOSE RIGHTS-OF-WAY. WHAT YOU SEE IN URBANIZED AREAS IS MORE FOCUSED ON NON-VEHICULAR METHODS OF TRANSPORTATION. EMPHASIS ON MULTIUSE PATH, SIDEWALKS AND BIKEWAYS VERSUS WHIRL AREA WHERE YOU DON'T

HAVE THOSE USERS. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> AS THE REPRESENTATIVE , THIS IS SOMETHING WE JUST VOTED ON LAST WEEK. IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS, I THINK IT COULD SEVERELY HURT OUR ABILITY FOR FUNDING .

WE ARE NOT APPROVING MORE GROWTH OR INVITING MORE GROWTH, SIMPLY RECOGNIZING THERE IS GROWTH IN THESE AREAS. WE ADVOCATE FOR DOLLARS FOR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO POINT TO THAT BACKS UP OUR REQUEST.

LET'S APPROVE THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN SO IT DOESN'T SEND THE WRONG SIGNAL TO U.S. D.O.T.

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>> THE REASON I PULLED IS EVERYONE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THIS. THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS MOVING THE BOUNDARY, THE BUILDING LINE AND HOME DEVELOPMENT LINE.

>> OKAY, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> APPROVE THIS LAST WEEK? DOESN'T THAT VIOLATE THE 11 DAY RULE? THE 12TH THEY WILL TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. HOW DID IT GET ON THE AGENDA SO QUICKLY? WHY DO -- WHAT'S OUR HURRY? WHY DON'T WE HAVE A COPY OF THE MAP DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYBODY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY . WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY .

TPO APPROVED IT LAST WEEK . WE ARE IN A HURRY. WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME LIKE I WAS A SIX-YEAR-OLD? I DON'T THINK IT PASSES THE TEST. I DON'T THINK IT PASSES THE SMELL TEST. I WANT TO THINK COMMISSIONER JOSEPH ONCE AGAIN.

THANK YOU, SO MUCH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> TPO IS A PUBLIC MEETING. YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME TO PUBLIC

[12. Motion to adopt Resolution 2024- , authorizing the County Administrator, or designee, to execute Contract Amendment No: 01 under GSA No: 23-GSA-MER- 18029 with Merrell Bros, Inc, (23-48; Utility System Biosolids Hauling) for Collection, Transportation & Disposal of Wastewater Sludge at the Players Club WWTP, in accordance with the scope of services provided in IFB No: 1953. For more information, contact Jaime Locklear, Director of Purchasing at 904 209-0158]

COMMENT. THE AGENDA IS PUBLISHED PUBLICLY. AS TRANSPARENT A PROCESS AS IT CAN BE. ITS ORIGINAL BOARD. OF COURSE THERE'S INTEREST FOR ALL COUNTIES OVER NORTHEAST FLORIDA. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEM MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION

2024 -- >> 396, APPROVING THE 2020 FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION ADJUSTING -- PREPARED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

>> SECOND. >> EMOTION NANOSECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 15. FORMALLY 12 CONSENT. GOOD EVENING.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. PERSON -- PURCHASING. THIS ITEM IS FOR A CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING CONTRACT WE HAVE FOR THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT. THERE'S MULTIPLE LOCATIONS THAT GENERATE WASTEWATER SLUDGE THAT HAS TO BE HAULED AND DISPOSED OF AS PART OF THEIR NORMAL OPERATIONS. WE DID A PROCUREMENT TO VERIFY WE WERE GOING WITH THE BEST PRICE FOR THE SERVICE. THE LOW PRICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT FOR SIMILAR SERVICES AT OTHER UTILITY LOCATIONS . IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ALIGN THE SERVICE WITH THOSE SERVICES OF THE SAME CONTRACT, INSTEAD OF INITIATING AND HAVING -- CONTRACT PERIOD, FOR SIMILAR SERVICES. THIS IS WHY IT'S BEING DONE AS AN AMENDMENT. IT IS SIMILAR TO SERVICES AND OPERATION. ALSO THE OZONE AUDIENCE IF THERE'S ANY

QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE GO BY AND SEE YOU ALREADY BUILT UP, THE SLEDGE. ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE. IT'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR BIDDING, WHICH IS GREAT. GOOD JOB. IT IS JUST WHAT THAT IS, AND EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE. THANK YOU. THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF IT.

>> MADAM CHAIR , COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING. AS JAMIE POINTED OUT, WE HAVE A BIOSOLIDS CONTRACT. A FEW MONTHS BACK WE DECIDED TO GO CLASS A SLEDGE MANAGEMENT. CLASS A, DEFINED BY -- IT'S A GREAT THING FOR THE COUNTY .

IS, WE CARRY LIABILITY ALL THE WAY THROUGH. THAT IS BEING DEBATED. THAT SETS CLASS A. WITH THIS CONTRACTOR DOES IS THEY ARE AT A HIGHER STANDARD THAN NORMALLY REQUIRED, CLASS B. NOT SURE ABOUT THE QUESTION.

>> WHERE DOES IT GO? >> RIGHT NOW, IT IS CONTRACTED LOCALLY . THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM. THEY ARE LOCATED, I

BELIEVE, NORTH OF 214. >> THE SMELL TEST.

>> PRIMARILY ECHOES DOWN THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHY IS A COMING OUT OF THE PGA RIGHT

THERE? >> IF YOU SEE THE MAP , THE WASTEWATER FACILITIES ARE ALL OVER THE COUNTY, AND THEY MAKE SLEDGE. WE HAVE TO DISPOSE OF IT. THE STAR YOU SEE --

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INAUDIBLE ] WE TRANSPORT IT FROM THERE. THEY COLLECTED.

THEY TRANSPORT IT AND DISPOSE OF IT AT A BIO FACILITY.

>> I'M SORRY TO BOTHER YOU SO LATE. I GET THESE WEIRD EMAILS

ALL THE TIME. >> NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

>> NEIL IS AN EXPERT IN SLEDGE, BY THE WAY.

>> NOW OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 12. >> LAND? DO WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM? WHO IS THE LANDOWNER? WHO OWNS THE LAND? WHERE THE SLEDGE IS BEING DISPOSED OF? MADAM CHAIR -- IF HE WOULD YELL OUT THE

LANDOWNER'S NAME. >> BY ALL MEANS.

>> THANK YOU. >> I AM NOT CERTAIN AT THIS POINT. I KNOW WE DEAL WITH JOE WILLIAMS. ACTUALLY WE DEAL WITH THE MERRELL BROS.

COMPANY THEY HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH. THE LAND THAT BIOMASS DOES THE BUSINESS WITH, I'M NOT CERTAIN OF THE LANDOWNER.

WE CAN FIND OUT. >>

>> ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW JOE WILLIAMS IS THE MANAGER. I DON'T KNOW IF HE OWNS THE LAND. I'M NOT SURE. SURE THING

PICKS >> DO I RECALL CORRECTLY THAT INDIAN HEAD WAS THE COMPANY CONCERNED ABOUT WASTE AND

BURNING AND POLLUTION ? >> IT WASN'T BURNING. THEY DO THIS. THEY TAKE SLEDGE AND REWORK IT. THEY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROPERTY NEAR PALENCIA SOMEWHERE.

>> RIGHT. PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED.

>> I THINK THEY ARE WORKING ON GETTING THERE SMELL DOWN.

>> COULD WE TABLE THIS ITEM, PLEASE? REALLY SUSPICIOUS. PEOPLE IN THIS AUDITORIUM JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS BEING DONE. BEFORE APPROVING THIS CONTRACT

>> AS COMMISSIONER JOSEPH SAID. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO

DELAY THIS ITEM. >> FOR THE RECORD --

>> YOU ARE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.

ACTIVE INVESTIGATION ABOUT IT. THE PERMIT IS STILL ACTIVE. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, IT'S AN ACT -- ACTIVE PLACE TO DO BUSINESS.

>> PLEASE MOVE TO TABLE. AS MY LATE -- THANK YOU, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN. >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT . >> THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE

[17. Motion to approve the write-off of the following delinquent accounts receivable accounts, effective September 30, 2024: 5,588 EMS accounts totaling $2,401,875.41; 402 Utility Service accounts totaling $100,194.88; and the Clerk of the Circuit Court & Comptroller's accounts providing a net total of 17,996.76. For more information, contact Wade Schroeder, Asst. Director, OMB at 209-0570]

BOARD FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

>> MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 ABSCESS

>> . >> AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR , OR DESIGNATE, TO DESIGNATE TO EXECUTE CONTRACT AMENDMENT NUMBER 01 UNDER GSA NO: 23-GSA-MER18029 WITH MERRELL BROS, INC, FOR COLLECTION, TRANSPORTATION & DISPOSAL OF WASTEWATER SLUDGE AT THE PLAYERS CLUB WWTP, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCOPE OF SERVICES PROVIDED IN IFB NUMBER

1953. >> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT BRINGS US TO

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>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. THIS ITEM IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS TO REQUEST THE APPROVAL TO WRITE OFF CERTAIN UTILITY ACCOUNTS , AS WELL AS ACCOUNTS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE. THESE ACCOUNTS ARE ALL PAST DUE MORE THAN ONE YEAR WITH NO ACTIVITY ON THEM. COLLECTION EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE BY STAFF, AS WELL AS SENDING THE ACCOUNTS INAUDIBLE ] WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> YES. THERE'S $2 MILLION WORTH OF THIS. MY HUSBAND WAS A DOCTOR, GET IT. THERE ARE THOSE TIMES WHERE YOU WRITE OFF PATIENTS THAT CANNOT PAY. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT ACCOUNTS? THAT YOU WRITE OFF. THEY HAVE

TO BE OUT TWO YEARS? >> MORE THAN 12 MONTHS PAST DUE IS THE RECOMMENDATION. ANY ACCOUNT MORE THAN 12 MONTHS, COULD BE LONGER, DEPENDING ON LAST APPROVAL OF WHEN WRITE-OFFS WERE. UP TO 23 MONTHS, AND EVEN LONGER.

>> DO WE HAVE A COMPANY WE GIVE IT TO THAT GOES AFTER THE

MONEY? OR NO? >> YES, BOTH UTILITIES AND -- HAVE FENDERS THE CONTRACT WITH. BE ON STAFF RESOURCES TRYING TO COLLECT THE FUNDS , THEY SEND THEM TO A COLLECTIONS AGENCY.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER 17. SEEING NONE, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

[18. Motion to adopt Resolution 2024- , approving the SJC Energy Management Policy for fiscal year FY2025 (October 1, 2024 - September 30, 2025). For more information, contact Dan Whitcraft, Director of Facilities Management at 904 209-0424]

COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. >> MANAGER I WILL OFFER A MOTION. 5005 88, EMS ACCOUNTS TOTALING 2,400,000 -- SERVICE ACCOUNTS . THE CLERK OF THE SERVER COURT PROVIDING A NET

TOTAL OF 17,009 96.76. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, FORMALLY CONSENT 18.

>> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE PROPOSED ENERGY MANAGEMENT POLICY WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD, AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE . THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM . WE WILL PICK ONE BUILDING TO IMPLEMENT THIS ENERGY MANAGEMENT POLICY. OBVIOUSLY WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTS GETTING OLDER WE HAVE NEW FACILITIES COMING ONLINE. WE NEED TO EXPLORE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE OPERATING COSTS. OUR INTENT IS TO REDUCE ENERGY CONSUMPTION BY 20% . OBVIOUSLY , UTILITIES ARE A MAJOR COMPONENT OF OPERATING COSTS.

WITH THIS ENERGY MANAGEMENT POLICY , AGAIN TO REDUCE ENERGY

CONSUMPTION BY 20%. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH. >> HOW MUCH MORE DOES THIS COST TO DO THIS? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I KNOW WE HAVE SOME SORT OF A GRANT. DIDN'T WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL GRANT THROUGH THIS, TOO? NO? DIDN'T WE HAVE A RESILIENCY GRANT OF SOME KIND

THAT WE USED FOR THE FIRE? >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, I THINK HE CAN EXPLAIN BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT THIS IS NOT RELATED TO ANY GRANT IMPLEMENTED PROGRAM. THIS IS SIMPLY BY DAN AND HIS TEAM TO MANAGE THINGS LIKE TEMPERATURE OF THE BUILDING. TO

SAVE ENERGY. >> YEAH, COMMISSIONER, NO ADDITIONAL COST. WE ARE USING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. NOTE -- BASICALLY PERSONNEL THROUGH MY DEPARTMENT. A LOT OF THAT -- THAT WILL GO AHEAD AND GIVE US MORE PRODUCTIVE OUTCOME OF WHAT OUR BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY DOING. WE HAVE A LOT OF LOW HANGING FRUIT. LIGHTING, HVAC , SCHEDULING, THERE ARE A LITANY OF CHECKPOINTS , CHECKPOINT MEASURES WE CAN PUT IN PLACE

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THAT WILL DRASTICALLY REDUCE OUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION. WITHOUT

ADDITIONAL OPERATING EXPENSE. >> THAT'S MY FEAR. SOMETHING LIKE THAT COST MORE. THE LIGHT BOLTS COST MORE.

>> NOT WHEN YOU FACTOR YOUR IN WHAT THEY ARE .

>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I JUST DON'T KNOW . COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, SON MIKE LOT PROHIBITS YOU FROM TALKING TO COMMISSIONERS. YOU CAN TALK TO THEM ANYTIME YOU WANT AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. SOME OF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW SOME OF THESE THINGS. THAT'S WHY AM BRINGING IT ON THE PUBLIC IN

THE SUNSHINE. >> THAT CAN TALK TO STAFF, TOO.

>> THEY DON'T GOING -- FIRST OF ALL THEY DON'T SEE BEHIND THESE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONLINE. IN ALL THE INFORMATION BEHIND IT. SO I'M BRINGING IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. I KNOW WE ARE HERE LONGER, BUT THIS IS FOR TRANSPARENCY AND THE PEOPLE OUT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I WOULDN'T BE BRINGING IT OUT IF THEY DIDN'T ASK ME ABOUT IT. WHY NOT GO TO THE KING OF OUR

BUILDINGS? >> THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHURST .

THERE'S NOTHING HIDING ON THE AGENDA. IT'S ALL TRANSPARENT.

ONLINE. >> NOT EVERYONE GOES ONLINE. A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCH G TB. IT'S ON TV NOW.

>> AND SLAVEN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, FOR ASKING QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER TO DENOUNCE YOU . NOT ASKING STAFF. OBVIOUSLY YOU WANTED TO DO IT ON THE RECORD. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SENATE HEARINGS, HOUSE HEARINGS, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE GOVERNMENT, TO DO THINGS IN THE SUNSHINE. WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK THE STAFF. THEY DON'T ALWAYS ANSWER THEIR PHONES. I AM SO PROUD OF PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER, IN 1977, FOUR -- APRIL 20TH 1977 SPEECH ABOUT ENERGY. I WAS A KID, 20 YEARS OLD WHEN -- WAS ASSIGNED TO ADVISE THE SENATOR ON ENERGY. ANOTHER PERSON ON THE STAFF . ANYWAY, WE NEED TO QUESTION EVERY EXPENDITURE. EVERY TIME . IT'S OUR MONEY. MY DAN --.HELP TAKE THE FIRST FRENCH TOWN TAKEN BY THE ON D DAY. THEY DID IT BEFORE THE SUN ROSE THAT DAY. I AM PROUD OF THE STRESS OF FOR ASKING QUESTIONS. THAT'S THE AMERICAN WAY. THAT'S HOW WE DO THINGS. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IS WALKING OUT OF THE ROOM. I'M PROUD OF OUR STAFF. I'M PROUD OF OUR STAFF ARE DOING THIS. I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT HE SAID.

WHATEVER HE SAID ON THE RECORD, PUT IT IN THE TRANSCRIPT. I AM PROUD OF -- KRISTA JOSEPH FOR ASKING QUESTIONS. I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROOM HOW MANY TIMES THIS ROOM. IT'S TOO COLD IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW. HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE WASTING? I THINK WE COULD SAVE MORE THAN 20%.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN -- OWNED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WHERE THE LIGHTS WERE ON , AND NO ONE WAS PLAYING BALL? YOU TELL ME. CAN WE SAVE 20%? I THINK WE COULD EASILY SAVE 20%.

I'M GLAD THE COUNTY STAFF IS THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.

IT'S OUR MONEY. I THINK SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CASUAL DISREGARD FOR OUR RIGHT TO KNOW AND RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS. I FURTHER THINK SOME OF THEM HAVE CREATED A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT. NOT ONLY FOR COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, BUT ETHICAL EMPLOYEES THAT WANT TO DO THEIR JOBS, TOO. LIKE WHAT WAS DONE TO TREY ALEXANDER. THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MET WITH -- TWO HAPPENS. OUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THAT SAYS A LOT. YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR US. AS ROBERT KENNEDY SAID, IT'S NOT ALLOWED -- ENOUGH TO ALLOW DISSENT. WE DISSENT FROM THE WII FOR HEEDLESS DESTRUCTION OF NATURAL BEAUTY AND PLEASURES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, AND THANK

YOU, STAFF. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC

[25. Motion to adopt Resolution 2024- , authorizing the County Administrator, or designee, to execute an amendment to the existing economic development incentive agreement substantially in the same form as the attached amendment with Rulon International, Inc. on behalf of St. Johns County. For more information, contact Sam Camp, Economic Development Project Manager at 904 209-3257]

COMMENT? NUMBER 18. CONSENT I -- 18. SEEING NONE, WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. >> BOTTOM TRIAL OFFER A MOTION

TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 -- >> 398. APPROVING THE SJC

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ENERGY MANAGEMENT POLICY FOR FISCAL YEAR FY2025, OCTOBER 1,

2024 - SEPTEMBER 30, 2025. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION ON THE SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

BRINGS US TO OUR FINAL REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, FORMALLY CONSENT 25. GOOD EVENING.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. THE ITEM YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING AGREEMENT .

THIS AMENDMENT IS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THEIR BUSINESS AT THE PROPERTY TO EXPAND BUSINESS CAPABILITIES AND EMPLOYMENT.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.