[Call meeting to order] [00:00:35] >>>GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ARE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE STAND. WE ARE GOING TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> ALL RIGHT. WILL YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT? >> CERTAINLY. NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE LAW. GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMEND ON TOP OF THE AGENCIES AND THEIR JURISDICTION. GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT THE DESIGNATED TIME. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK DURING THE TIME OF THE MEETING ON EACH EVENT OF TIME. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL. THE SURE THAT VERBATIM, THIS INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY. PHYSICAL DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE, PREPARED. PHOTOGRAPHS, WITNESS STATEMENTS. PROVIDING CLERK FOR INCLUSION. DIRECTLY AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY AGENCY OR COUNTY. ANY AGENCY, AND AGENTS HAVE BEEN REMINDE. THEY SHOULD STATE THAT THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE PERSON [PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 7/11/24] THAT YOU ARE. THE CERT SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM. AGENCY MEMBERSHIPS. THIS WAS COMMUNICATION. BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES. WE WILL [Public Comment] AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> AGENCY MEMBERS, YOU HAVE AGENTS FROM JULY 11TH, 2024. >> ANY DISCUSSION? >> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> ONTO PUBLIC COMMENT. SPEAKING ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND SPEAK IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON A CERTAIN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WE WILL GET THROUGH IT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE? ARE YOU HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? CAN YOU PRESS THE ON BUTTON PLEASE? >> COUNTY COMMISSION. I GREW UP IN ORTEGA. 2020, BUILT A 15 FOOT WALL. 40 FOOT LONG, WITH AN APARTMENT. IT WON'T FILE A VARIANCE. MINE HAS GONE ON TO TWO YEARS. HE HAS HARASSED MY 94-YEAR-OLD MOTHER, AND IS THREATENING TO SUE HER, TO TAKE THIS DOWN. IN VIOLATION, BUILT WITHIN A SETBACK. STRUCTURE WITH A TOILET. ROOF SECTION TO IT. BASICALLY, MY MOM IS HAVING TO SUE FOR HER RIGHTS. ST. JOHNS COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT, HAS NOT DONE THEIR JOB. THEY HAVE HARASSED IN 94-YEAR-OLD WOMAN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF HER LIFE. WHETHER SHE IS GOING TO LOSE HER PROPERTIES TO THE SUIT. THIS GUY BUILT ON THE [00:05:09] PROPERTY LINE. OBSTRUCTED AND ENCUMBERED HER PROPERTY. SHORTEN THE TIME. I WAS IN THE BUDGET HEARING. 2025 BUDGET HEARING. FIVE WEEKLONG HEARING. OH YEAH. THEY'RE USUALLY DONE WITHIN A YEAR. THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT. I JUST WANT THAT TO BE IN CONSIDERATION. I THINK YOU ALL. >> ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAKING ON ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? >> I AM GOING TO SPEAK LATER ON AN ITEM. I ASKED IF THIS WAS OKAY, AND IT IS OKAY. I LIVE AT 109 LAURELWOOD WAY. 232086. NUMBER ONE, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU ARE UNPAID, YOU ARE JUST LIKE A CITIZEN LIKE WE ARE. YOU GET YOUR TIME TO COME HERE. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PAGE DOCUMENTS. THEY WILL GIVE YOU THINGS IN ORDERS. I WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE. I RECENTLY CAME ACROSS IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. HOPEFULLY, I WANT TO LEAVE THAT APPEAR. THIS IS A 24 PAGE PAMPHLET FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THEY CALL UNATTAINABLE HOUSING. THIS IS THE FIRST THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE MAKE WHEN THEY ARE COMING TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND SO FORTH. OF COURSE, PEOPLE, AND AUDIENCE. THEY WANT TO SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY AND WITH THE -- IS. THIS HAS SOME GREAT INFORMATION. THIS IS THE BEST I HAVE SEEN ANYWHERE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY. EASY TO READ. I WILL SHOW YOU A QUICK PAGE. IT JUST SHOWS PICTURES AND DIAGRAMS VERY EASY. I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE THAT, AND JUST TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT. READ IT. YOU WILL FIND IT TO BE VERY ENLIGHTENING. WHEN YOU DO COME TO HAVE OPINIONS ON VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT COME UP, YOU CAN USE THE DATA. THEIR DATA IS [1. ZVAR 2024-10 Guerra Fence Variance. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section 2.02.04.B.12 of the Land Development Code to allow for portions of a fence to be developed at a developed at a height of eight (8) feet and ten (10) feet, as shown on the provided site plan, in lieu of the six (6) foot and four (4) foot maximum height requirements along the western property boundary, specifically, at 5513 Sunset Landing Circle.] RESOURCED. THIS IS BASED ON REAL DATA FIGURES. NOT SOMEBODY'S PERCEPTIONS OF REALITY. OR SOMEBODY'S CONJECTURE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE AND AUDIENCE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE ARE GOING ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. IS THERE ANY EX PARTE AGENCY MEMBER? >> >> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. DAVENPORT LAST WEEK. >> ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY IN THE MEDIA. >> THANK YOU. >> HERE TODAY WITH MY CLIENT. SITTING IN THE FRONT ROW. PROPERTY IN QUESTION, 5513 SUNSET LANDING. IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT IS BETWEEN BROTHER BEACH AND CRESCENT BEACH. IT IS KIND OF LIKE AN ISLAND ON THE END. THAT LOCATION I HAVE HAD TO SHOW. THE REQUEST, IS TO MAKE A PORTION FOR THE SITE AND AFTER [00:10:08] THIS. GOING BACK TO THE HOUSE. SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS WHERE THE DECK IS. THIS IS THAT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. JUSTIFICATION IS THE UNUSUAL SIDE AND SHAPE. THIS IS FROM PREVIOUS AREAS. THIS IS ON THE CORNER. IT IS BENT. THEY ACTUALLY HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE HOUSE. BASICALLY, SETBACKS FROM BOTH SIDES ON THE STREET. THAT'S BASICALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT THE HOUSE COULD BE. IT SITS ON TWO FRONTAGES. IT IS ELIMINATED FROM A USEFUL BACKYARD. HE BASICALLY HAD TO DECIDE THE THROWING CODE AS HIS BACKYARD. BASICALLY PUTS HIM RIGHT THERE ON HIS NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY. BACK DECK, RIGHT UNDERNEATH IT. THE OTHER MAJOR FACTOR FOR THE HEIGHT, FIRST ONE ON THE INTERIOR PART OF THE SUBDIVISION. OVER 20 YEARS AGO, HE BUILT HIS HOUSE. SECOND FLOOR. THEY BUILT HIS HOUSE. IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR. OVER 20 YEARS LATER. INFLICTING CONCERNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. FIRST FLOOR, BASICALLY GARAGE. AREAS IN THE SECOND FLOOR, VETERANS ARE SEPARATE FROM THE THIRD FLOOR. THIS INCLUDES THE LIVING AREAS LOOKING DOWN. THIS IS IN HIS BACKYARD. >> THIS IS A SHOT OF THE AREA. THIS IS TO THE REAR. CAN SEE IT. BACK OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE EDGE. IT HAS BEEN SCREENED WITH A LOT OF BAMBOO. THIS IS PART OF THE FENCE PORTION. YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. THIS IS THE BACKYARD THAT THEY HAVE HAD TO USE OVER THERE. YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE FENCE. YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT, HOW IT WAS DOWN SIX FEET. THIS IS FOR ANOTHER FACTOR. I WILL LET YOU KNOW. YOU CAN'T SEE THE FENCE AT ALL. FROM THAT SIDE, YOU CAN'T SEE THE FENCE AT ALL. ONLY PLACE YOU COULD SEE THE FENCE WAS IN THE SLOT. NO APPLICANT FOR THE HLA. THEY AGREE TO ALL OF THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. WHAT LED US TO ALL OF THIS, LOOKING AT THE BASES. GUIDELINES FOR DRIVING, IT STARTS BEHIND THE TREE. THEY HAVE GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT. I REALLY DON'T SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE. 25 MILE AN HOUR SMALL ROAD. BIG CURVE. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT HE WAS OBSTRUCTING. THIS IS JUST THE OTHER BACKYARD. >> THIS IS PART OF THE BACKSIDE. AGAIN, THIS IS BASICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE HOW THESE ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN THE OTHER. CREATING SOME PRIVACY FOR THE PEOPLE. SHORT SECTION. THIS IS YOUR REQUIRED JUSTIFICATION. SCREEN FOR VEGETATION. NEIGHBORS ARE OKAY WITH IT. WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE MORE QUESTIONS. [00:15:01] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, ITEM NUMBER ONE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE. SIX CONDITIONS AS [2. ZVAR 2024-06 Whole 9 Yards Outdoor Storage. Request for a Zoning Variance pursuant to Section 6.06.04 of the Land Development Code to allow for 10/A buffering and screening in lieu of the 30/C requirement, specifically located at 5285 Big Oak Rd S.] PROVIDED. >> ANY DISCUSSION? NINE. REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MISSION PASSES. THANK YOU. ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> PHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE OFFICE SECRETARY. LAND OWNER BY PHONE. GETTING PERMISSION. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> I HAD A CONVERSATION. >> OKAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 255 81 9 SOUTH. HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ZONING VARIANCE. THIS IS CLOSE TO THE REASON. SOME TIME AGO. GETTING TO ENGINEERING. PROPERTY AGAIN, TO THE WEST OF U.S. ONE. HERE IN BLUE, IS THE ENTIRE PARCEL. THE ORANGE AREAS THAT YOU SEE HERE, ARE THE PORTIONS OF THE PARCEL THAT WE REQUESTED. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF RECEIVES SOME CORRESPONDENCE. HOWEVER THIS WEEK, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCE OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE WILL ADDRESS THEM LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. THERE FOR DISTRICT, IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH. AND TO THE WEST. INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE. THIS IS THE MASTER SITE PLAN. EXISTING HERE ON BIG OAK ROAD. SOUTHWEST CORNER. THE REST OF THIS IS BEING LAID OUT. IF THE ZONING REQUEST ON THE NORTH EASTERN BOUNDARY IS HERE, WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR RELAXATION. LOOKING AT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. YOU HAVE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR HERE. TO THE SOUTH. THE AIRPORT PROPERTY IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED TO BE REUSED. THIS IS WITHIN THE PROPOSED 30 C SETBACK. WE ARE ASKING FOR THEM TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. COULD BE RESIDENTIAL. STILL BEING ASSUMED OF A RESIDENTIAL OFFER. AGAIN, THREE LOCATIONS, WHERE WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT. QUICK SECTION ON THE STANDARDS AVAILABLE. 30 C BUFFER, REQUIRES 30 FEET, 10 FEET TALL IN THE PLANTINGS. 10 FOOT A SCREENING, IS PRETTY CONSISTENT HERE, WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUFFERING AND THE SETBACKS. PHYSICAL COMPONENTS. THE ACTUAL HAS BEEN RAISED TO 10 FEET. >> THE COLORS ARE LOOKING AT THESE AREAS. FIRST SECTION, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL ALONG THE WATER. HEAVY PLANTINGS, AND CANOPY TREES. THIS IS ALONG THE PERIMETER FOR THE EXTRA BUFFER. JUST A CROSS-SECTION, SHOWING FOUR TREES. SECOND LOCATION. AGAIN, THE PROPOSED FENCE. PLANTING A [00:20:04] 15 FOOT SETBACK. 10 FOOT BUFFER. THIS IS THE SECTION ON BIG OAK ROAD. JUST WANTED TO SHOW EVERYBODY. I KNOW THAT THE BUFFER HERE WAS LOOKING AT ANOTHER CONVERSATION. 15 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK PROPOSED WITH A 10 FOOT BUFFER. THE COMPONENT THAT CAME UP THIS WEEK WAS THE NEIGHBORS ASKING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, FOR A -- AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE INSTEAD OF A SIX FOOT FENCE. THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO THAT. THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO PUT THAT INTO THE SCHEDULE. AS WE GET TO THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING SHED COMPONENT. 25 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. WE ARE PROPOSING THE 15 FOOT SETBACK. THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE I-W BUFFER ALONG THE SIDE. THIS SECTION, ALSO SHOWS STORMWATER BUFFERING. WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAVE. AGAIN, PROPOSING ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS. THIS INCLUDES A 10 FOOT BUFFER. JUST A QUICK TABLE HERE. LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED BUFFERING. LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPING CODE. THE HARDSHIP. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE COST OF ANY CONTRADICTORY NATURES. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING. WE ALSO HAVE SOME TOPOGRAPHIC REASONS HERE. THIS IS EVERYTHING ADJACENT. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM. AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION. WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PAINTINGS. WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD >> A COUPLE OF POINTS WITH IT. SECTION D. I ASSUME, THEY WILL CARRY THE WATER. I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE ADVISABILITY. ULTIMATELY, THIS COULD LIKE IN 10 YEARS OR SO. I'M WONDERING IF THAT SHOULD BE THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE AS WELL. ASKING FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. >> BEING ADJACENT, THIS IS MADE UP AFTER PRESSURE TREATING. MOST FENCES DON'T HAVE A LIFECYCLE LONGER THAN 10 YEARS. >> SECTION D. >> THEY GET FANCY WITH THIS. TOO MUCH ANIMATION. D D, THAT IS LABELING. FENCES RIGHT HERE. PROPERTY LINE IS RIGHT HERE. THE FENCE IS BACK HERE. THE LABEL. >> MY MISTAKE. THIS IS IN THE TEXT ALSO. GOOD. THANKS. >> HI. THANK YOU. I DID NOT THIS -- SEE THE EMAILS FROM SUPPORT. CAN YOU SHOW THE DIAGRAM? >> WE ARE PROPOSING THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. >> YES. >> EIGHT FOOT FENCE. THIS IS ALONG THE ROAD. SOUTH RIGHT AWAY. >> THERE IS A BIG, BEAUTIFUL, CONCRETE BLOCK. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEMOLISHED. I WILL BE IN [00:25:04] FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU. >> YOU MENTIONED, THE NORTHEAST CORNER. WILLIAM'S RECOVERY. YOU HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT? >> YES SIR. >> WE TRIED. >> YOU NOTIFIED THEM IF THEY HAD NOT RESPONDED? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ARE YOU PROPOSING TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING? >> NEW BUILDINGS PROPOSED, ARE ALONG THIS WESTERN BOUNDARY HERE. >> THEY HAVE MORE OPEN AIR, POLE BARN STORAGES. >> THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS REQUEST. >> YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE CRYPTIC SYSTEM? >> ACCESS. STRICTLY OFF OF IT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. ALL THE ACCESSES ARE OFF OF BIG OAK ROAD. IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DEMOLISHED ALREADY. >> THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ADDITIONAL? >> THIS IS SPECIFIC. >> WE WILL GO TO THE AUDIENCE. ANYONE HERE WANTING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? >> WILLIAM ROSSIGNOL. 230 BIG OAK ROAD. >> ACTUALLY NOT A TRAP CODE. IT IS A SERIOUS AMOUNT OF ENERGIES. >> THIS IS ALL IT. I SPOKE WITH CHRIS. 261 BIG OAK ROAD. THIS IS PART OF THE PERIMETER. MY CONCERN, THIS IS THE HOMESTEAD. I JUST DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP FINDING IT. IS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND ON THE SIDE. IT WOULD BE NICE. ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. -- KEPT AT A MINIMUM. I EXPECT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ACROSS STREET. YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. THEY HAVE FACTORS THAT YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE. THIS IS JUST PLAIN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE LOOKING AT THE ITEM NUMBERS FOR TWO? >> HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON. >> I AM SO DISGUSTED WITH THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMING IN, AND JUST DEPLETING OUR WILDLIFE. THE DEVELOPERS CALLED ME A TREE HUGGER. THE TREE HUGGER IS CALLED ME WITH THE DEVELOPERS. THESE DESIGNERS, NEED TO DESIGN FOR THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND. THIS IS WHAT I DID WHEN I WAS BUILDING WE ARE SAVING THE NATURAL VEGETATION. WE ARE BUYING THESE ALL AROUND THE AIRPORT. I AM NOT SURE WHY. LASTLY, COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN, THEY PRETEND THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST. I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE ARE GOING TO BE A WAREHOUSE COMMUNITY, IF WE DON'T GET A GRIP. THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON. THEY ARE AN [00:30:04] EYESORE. WE ARE THE OLDEST CITY IN THE NATION. IT IS UP TO YOU GUYS TOO. BEING A ZONING BOARD. STICK TO IT. I WANT TO SEE THEM BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. DEVELOPERS ARE RUNNING THE SHOW. THEY TRIED TO PUT THE BUILDERS AND WITH ALL OF THIS. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. SMALL BUILDERS ARE WORKING FOR THE DEVELOPERS. NOT MANY CUSTOM BUILDERS OUT THERE. ANYWAY, WITH THAT IN MIND, I WISH THAT YOU WOULD BE ECOLOGICALLY CONSCIOUS, WHEN YOU ARE APPROVING IT. >> NOT GOING TO CLAP, WE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING. WE ARE JUST GOING TO BE QUIET. NEXT TIME YOU DO START CLAPPING, I WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK FOR YOU GUYS TO CALM DOWN. WE HAVE A LONG MEETING. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANY OF THAT. OKAY? I HEAR YOUR GIGGLES. I LOVE IT. THANK YOU. I HAVE OTHER MEMBERS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> BRUCE ALVAREZ, 5296. DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PREPARE FOR ALL OF THIS. THE NOTICE I WAS SENT, WAS FOR THE PINE DROP LIKE THIS. I DIDN'T FIGURE IT OUT UNTIL THIS WEEKEND. THIS IS ONE I WILL SHOW TO THE OWNERS. I WROTE OUT A BUNCH OF STUFF. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. I AM FINE WITH THAT. WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH US LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE. THIS IS WHAT I HAD TO LOOK AT. RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING SHRUBBERY TREES, OR WHAT THEY ARE, THEY LOOK HORRIBLE. HALF OF THEM ARE DYING. THIS IS GROWTH SEASON. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF SINCE THEY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS SYSTEM. I JUST WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY IN THE LANDSCAPE. THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO BE FORCED TO LOOK AT. I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS OTHER PROPERTY. WILL ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS BE TREATED THROUGH THE PAPERWORK? THE STRUCTURES WILL ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE BUILT. THIS IS GOING TO BE THEM WRITING THAT WHEN THEY SAW THAT. RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE TEMPORARILY. THIS IS AN AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW. >> ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SEEK THE ITEM? EXPLAINING? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? >> I THINK THE FIRST SPEAKER FROM THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, THIS IS ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY. TWO THE LAST SPEAKER, RELATED TO THE STATUS OF THE SITE. CRUCIAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS OF THAT APPLICATION. WAITING TO GET THE APPROVAL ON ITS HEARING. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COMMENCE ANY SITE IMPROVEMENTS. GETTING THROUGH THE PROCESS. I BELIEVE YOU WILL SEE THE SITE START TO TRANSITION. THIS IS PART OF THE APPROVAL. I BELIEVE THAT APPLICANTS WILL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH THE REZONING. THIS IS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION LEVEL. I BELIEVE THAT THAT APPLICANTS ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE ARE GOING THROUGH [00:35:02] THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THIS IS PART OF THE POINT SELECTION. >> C9, WE ARE BACK FOR EMOTION. >> [3. MAJMOD 2024-05 Bannon Lakes PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the Bannon Lakes PUD (Ord. 2015-11, as amended) to combine the permitted office and commercial development rights; revise project phasing dates based on recent emergency declaration extensions pursuant to Section 252.363 of the Florida Statutes; clarify buffering and screening; and revise the Master Development Plan (MDP) Text and Map to reflect the proposed changes, specifically located at 250 Duran Drive.] APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ITEM NUMBER THREE. >> I SPOKE WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. CREW TEAM. >> THIS IS NOT AN ITEM PREVIOUSLY STATED. >> WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> THIS IS A CONVERSATION. >> ON TUESDAY. -- >> THANK YOU. >> I'M TRYING TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO TURN OFF THEIR PHONES. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MOUNT CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS. I WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR TEAM. THERE WE GO. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 4.3 PARCEL WITHIN THE OVERALL PUD. THIS INCLUDES CUSTOM BUILDERS. PROJECT ENGINEER, LOOKING AT THE ASSOCIATES FROM MY ERROR. THIS IS OUR PROJECT TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER. WE ALL KNOW WHERE BENHAM LAKES IS. INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. YOU CAN SEE THIS OUT. HERE IS INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. I-95. SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. DUPLEXES DONE IN THIS AREA. THIS IS REALLY A WATER PUMP STATION. THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, IS OUTDATED. THERE IS A WENDY'S, DOLLAR GENERAL, GAS STATION, APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THIS AREA HERE. AGAIN, THE ENTIRE LAKES IS 580 ACRES. IT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, OTHER OFFICES. IT IS THAT VARIETY. THIS PROJECT IS IMPROVED. 99 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 105,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE. 105,000, IMPORTANT HERE. WE ARE CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY ASKING TO CHANGE. AGAIN, BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR NINE YEARS. IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED A COUPLE OF TIMES. REQUESTING A MODIFICATION. WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR A VERY FINITE NUMBER OF CHANGES. AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THIS. ALREADY APPROVED FOR COMMERCIAL AND [00:40:05] OFFICE USES. WHAT WE WANT TO DO, YOU SEE THE NUMBERS OF 15,000 AND 105,000 SQUARE FEET. COMBINED, 120,000 SQUARE FEET. THEY WANT TO DO MORE THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE JUST ASKING TO COMBINE. ADDING 15,000 AND 5000. ADDING 500,000 TOGETHER. THE PROPERTY CAN HAVE 120,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. THIS IS SO THAT HE CAN DO MORE THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET. TO THE POINT EARLIER, ACCORDING TO YOUR STAFF APPOINT, THERE ARE ONLY 19,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. HIS MAXIMUM 40,000 SQUARE FEET, GETTING US TO 60,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS ALMOST BUILT OUT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOTHING THAT IS GOING TO MATERIAL CHANGE. LOOKING AT THE MARGIN TRAFFIC AS WELL. GIVEN THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET, THEY WERE NEVER BUILT INTO IT. MODIFIED BY THE COUNTIES REGULATION. WE ARE REQUIRED TO UPDATE CERTAIN PARAMETERS OR CONDITIONS FROM THE PUD TEXT. WE WERE ALREADY INCLUDING EXTENSIONS. COMPLETION DATES, FOR THE BENHAM LAKES PUD. BASED ON THE EMERGENCY DECORATIONS. WE ARE CLARIFYING. WE ARE NOT CHANGING CLARIFYING THE READING AND THE SCREENING. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE. WE ARE GOING TO PLAN TO REFLECT THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN ALL OF BENHAM LAKES TODAY. ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. ALL OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. SPECIFICALLY THE MAXIMUM 40,000 SQUARE FEET. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE REST. THIS IS THE OVERALL THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED. THIS IS TO WHAT IS ON THE GROUND TODAY. WITHIN THAT, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. HERE IS THE USE. THERE IS A 30 FOOT ACCESS RIGHT HERE. ALWAYS BEEN IN THIS PLAN. GETTING TO THE COUNTY UTILITIES SITE. THERE IS ALSO THE HLA BUFFER AREA. THIS IS OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. TO BEGIN AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. YOU CAN SEE THE 31ST ACCESS. THIS IS PART OF THE SITE. THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. THIS IS OFF OF DURAND DRIVE. GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE FLAVOR FOR IT. >> WE ARE PLANTING TREES. WE HAVE DONE THAT FROM STAFF. WE ARE SCREENING. GOING TO PLANT ON EAST SIDE OF THAT ROAD. RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE HAVE MODIFICATION APPLICATIONS. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE EVENT SITE SEVERAL YEARS BACK? >> BEEN LAKES WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED. IT INCLUDED A RECREATIONAL FACILITY THAT WAS WITHIN HIS ENTIRE AREA. THE COUNTY STAFF, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT IS WATER, WASTEWATER, OR WHATEVER. THEY NEEDED A TREATMENT FACILITY ON THAT SITE. THE DEVELOPER, AGREED TO CONVEY THAT UTILITY SITE. AT LEAST FIVE YEARS AGO, GOING FOR COMMERCIAL USE DURING THAT WHOLE -- >> NEVER SET FOR ANY OTHER PROPERTY. >> ISRAEL CREATION. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MOMENT AREA [00:45:08] DID ALL THE RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDES AMENITIES, DOG PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS. ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT IS BACK IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE, HERE ARE THE AMENITIES. PLAY FIELDS, DOG PARK, AND THERE ARE OTHERS. IT IS VERY HARD TO SEE ON THIS PLAN. STORMWATER, AND YOU ALSO SEE SOME RECREATIONAL AREAS FIRST THROUGHOUT. >> RECREATIONAL AREAS, THIS IS THE LOWER CENTER. >> IS THIS PART OF THE CAPACITY? >> I DON'T KNOW. THIS WAS THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE. AT LEAST FIVE YEARS AGO. >> I REMEMBER WHEN IT HAPPENED. >> WE WILL GO TO THE AUDIENCE. ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? IS THIS GOING FORWARD? SEEING NONE, WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. GREEN? >> YES. I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDED MOTION. MAJOR MARTA [4. MINMOD 2024-10 Retail Plant Nursery (Cacique). Request for a Minor Modification to the St. Augustine Shores PUD (ORD 1974-16, as amended) to add Retail Plant Nursery as an allowable use, specifically located at the SW Corner of Cacique Dr and Shores Blvd.] 2024-05. BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT. THIS HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MISSION FOR -- MOTION FOR APPROVAL. REGISTERING TO VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES. ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. IS THERE ANY EXPERT? >> SITE VISIT. IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS. SEVERAL EMAILS BOTH OPPOSING AND IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MCAFEE HAWTHORNE. ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE. SUITE 1200. REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. >> IS THE PRESENTATION HERE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ENGINEERING HERE. OWNERS AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME UP AS WELL. MINOR MODIFICATION REQUEST.CALLING IT THE RETAIL PLANT NURSERY. IT IS THE NURSERY AND PROPERTY. PROJECT WILL BE CALLED THE TERRA NURSERY. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR MOD. RETAIL PLANT NURSERY. SPECIFIC USE OF THE PROPERTY. 2.27 ACRES. P.U.D., BROKEN OUT INTO USES INTERNALLY. THIS IS, COMMERCIAL BUSINESS USE PARCEL. SHORES BOULEVARD. THE RETAIL PLANT NURSERY, ALLOWED BY EXCEPTION IN THE P.U.D.. 1974 ORDINANCE, THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED BY WAY OF MINOR MOD. THIS WAS DONE AS ADOPTING THE MINOR MOD. SITE PLAN CONDITIONS. THIS IS THROUGH THE PROCESS IN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. THERE ARE NO WILDLIFE SPECIES OF THE COMMUNITY. NO WAIVERS REQUESTED. YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION RIGHT HERE. U.S. CAPITAL ONE THIS IS PART OF IT. THIS IS A REGULAR SHAPE. THIS IS THE CORNER. ENSURING THE BOULEVARD RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE. THIS ALLOWS SOME COMMERCIAL LAND USES. OVERALL P.U.D. ZONING. HERE IS THE UPDATED ARIAL OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THIS ENSURES THE BOULEVARD GOING RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE. THERE IS A FAILURE FOOT UTILITY EASEMEN. ADDRESSING MY CLIENTS PROPERTY. THIS WILL BE OBSERVED AS PART OF THE OVERALL SITE PLAN. HERE IS THE SURVEY. THIS IS THE LAND COVER. WE HAVE HAD THE WETLAND SCIENTISTS GO OUT THERE WITH THE TREES. THERE IS NOTHING WITH THE FLATWOODS. THERE ARE THE SOILS. THIS IS INDICATIVE OF WHERE WE ARE PUTTING THE PROPERTY AND THE USES ON THE SITE. I WILL EXPLAIN THAT THROUGH THE SITE PLAN. THEY HAVE BEEN NEEDED FOR THE DEPARTMENT APPLICATIONS AND THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF. THEY HAVE [00:50:04] DIFFERENT ACTIONS ONTO THE PROPERTY. VERY LOW INTENSE USE. THERE ARE SOME VERY LIMITED ENCLOSED STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY. MOST OF IT IS A COVERED BARN ON THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW PLANS TO DO THEIR THING AS THEY GROW. PATRONS, IN THE SHADED AREA, LOOKING AT THE PLANTS. STORMWATER POND IS LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS CALLED THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU WILL BE COMPLETELY PRESERVED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN. 50 FEET OF LANDSCAPING. UNDISTURBED IN THIS AREA. THERE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. 30 FOOT EASEMENT. 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 10, FRONTING ON LONGSHORE DRIVE. HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS THAT COME WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTUALIZATION OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THIS IS COMING ONTO THE PROPERTY. TOTAL PARKING SPACES. INCLUDING A DIFFERENT SPACE. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY. OPEN-AIR PAVILIONS, IF YOU WILL. THERE WILL BE THE ATTENDANT SHELTER IN THERE THAT WILL BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS A WALKING PATH AROUND THE POND. ALL OF THE AREAS INCLUDING THE GREENHOUSE IN THE BACK. MORE OF THE SHELTER AREAS. THIS IS THE AREA FOR THE PATRONS THAT CAN SIT. THEY BASICALLY CAN PATRONIZE IN THE PLANT NURSERY ITSELF. WE FELT IT WAS A NICE QUART LARD -- COURTYARD LOOK TO THE PROPERTY. WE ARE DISCUSSING WITH THE STAFF. DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WILL BE PURCHASING. THE PLANT NURSERY, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS, LOW INTENSITY. LISTEN TO THE OTHERS BY RIGHT. SUCH AS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT. RETAIL STORE, DRUGSTORE, MEDICAL OFFICE, LAUNDRY DRY CLEANER. NURSING HOME, BANK, PRIVATE CLUB, SERVICE STATION. PACK IT IN. WE ARE DOING A PLANT NURSERY. THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT USES. WE WILL HAVE FAMILIES WITH THE SAINT AUGUSTINE ELEMENT SHORTS IN OUR AREAS. HIGH STANDARDS AS WELL AS OPERATIONS. ARE COMPLEMENT TO READ TO THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THAT, PRETTY SIMPLE PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS YOU HAVE THEM. >> HI THERE. MY QUESTION, MOSTLY, I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS BURIED THIS WAS A VERY THOUGHTFUL AND WELL DESIGNED NURSERY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, IT SEEMED LIKE MOST OF THE OPPOSING, NEGATIVE COMMENTS, HAD TO DO WITH THE DRIVE-IN LOCATION. THIS IS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS PART OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE. I AM LOOKING AT THE MINOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION HERE. I WAS WONDERING WHY THE VEHICLE ACCESS HAS TO BE OFF OF -- HE REFERENCED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SECTION 6081 A. I LOOK THAT UP. THAT IS ABOUT CHILDCARE FACILITIES. NOT A NURSERY. I WAS WONDERING IF THE REASON IS NOT GOING TO BE OFF OF THE SHORES BOULEVARD. I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I JUST NOTICED IT TODAY. COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT? >> THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A MISTYPED REFERENCE. PART OF THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS USE. WE MET WITH STAFF EARLIER ON. IT WAS ADVISED FOR US TO HAVE THE ACCESS POINT. DURING THAT ENTIRE PROCESS, ALL THE COMMENTS AND RESPONSES, IT WAS NEVER ASKED TO BE CHANGED OVER THERE. MY GUESS IS BECAUSE THEY ALLOW THE ABILITY TO GET ON AND OFF THE PROPERTY. SHORES BOULEVARD, THIS IS DIVIDED AS YOU SEE IN THE AERIAL DISPLAY. BETTER CIRCULATION COMING OFF OF THAT ROAD. COMING OFF OF SHORES BOULEVARD. THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN LAID OUT AND DESIGNED SINCE DAY ONE WITH STAFF. WE KEPT THE P.U.D. IN CONCERT WITH THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THE EXACT UPDATE WAS. IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS FOR AT LEAST EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS. THIS IS WHERE WE COME OFF FOR THE ACCESS OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE. WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO TRAFFIC ON THAT. THIS IS A VERY LOW AND INTENDS TRAFFIC USE. A LOT OF OTHER THINGS BY RIGHT ON THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PROPERTY. WE HAVE DONE THE ANALYSIS FOR THE PARKING GENERATION. I HAVE THE ENGINEER AND THE OWNERS HERE THAT CAN SPEAK TO THAT. WE ARE LOOKING AT STAFF, DIRECTING [00:55:06] US ON SHORES BOULEVARD. ACCEPTABLE RIGHT HERE. PROVIDING THAT FREEWAY INTERSECTION, IF YOU WILL. I WILL POINT OUT THAT WE ARE EXEMPT FROM TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY. THIS IS PART OF THE COMMERCIAL USE. NEVERTHELESS, WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED THAT FOR THE STAFF. DAY ONE. THIS IS THE STAFF REQUIRING US TO HAVE ACCESS. >> THIS WAS A VERY LIMITED TRAFFIC PRODUCER. FOR ME PERSONALLY, IF I'M GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE LINE OF THE SCHOOL, I'M GOING TO WAIT LATER. DO YOU HAVE ANY OPERATING HOURS IN MIND? >> I CAN BRING THAT UP IN A LITTLE BIT. 9:00, 9:00 A.M. WOULD BE OPERATING. THIS WOULD BE INTO THE EVENING. TYPICAL NURSERY HOURS. NOT OPEN AT NIGHT. THERE IS NO NEED FOR LIGHTING. THE ONE ACCESS POINT THAT WE HAVE FOR VETERANS, IS OUT TO THE SIDEWALK CONNECTION. IT MEETS THE SIDEWALK. THIS IS THE SIDEWALK THAT GOES ACROSS THE STREET READ THIS GOES DOWN TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTION OUT THERE TO THE MAIN ROAD AS WELL. >> ORGANIC NURSERY. NO PESTICIDES? >> IT HAS BEEN THAT SINCE DAY ONE. WE HAVE SEEN THE COMMENTS ONLINE. PESTICIDES, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAT WAY. THIS IS THE WAY THE OWNERS HAVE ENVISIONED THIS. WE HAVE A SHEET THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AS AN EXAMPLE FOR THAT. SHOWING WHAT THE ACTUAL SUPPLIERS WE WILL BE DOING TO USE FOR THAT. AS FAR AS NORMAL, CONVENTIONAL SURGERY -- NURSERIES. >> SPEAKING OF THAT DAY CARE AND PRESCHOOL, THAT -- JUST MENTIONED, PAGE TWO OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TEXT, UNDER D, YOUR ANSWER TO THAT, IT REFERENCES A DAY CARE AND PRESCHOOL IN THE TEXT. IT IS PROBABLY A HOLDOVER. PASTED DOWN FROM SOME OTHER APPLICATION. YOU ARE NOT PLANNING ONE IN THIS AREA? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> THIS IS THE NURSERY. >> THIS WAS MY OVERSIGHT ON THAT. THIS WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE I DID THE CORNER. ONE YEAR AGO. I WILL UPDATE THAT COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION. >> I DO LIKE NURSERIES A LOT. I AM A PLANT ECOLOGIST. I REALLY DO LIKE PLANTS. IN THIS NURSERY, WHEN I WAS FIRST READING IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. I WAS READING THE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. THIS IS HOW MY WIFE SAYS IT IS ANNOUNCED, BY THE WAY. I'M NOT GOING AGAINST THAT. WD HARTLEY, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, JUST DOWN THERE. A LOT OF THE LETTERS, EVERYONE VIRTUALLY STATED THAT THE TRAFFIC REALLY BACKS UP. MAKING IT BASICALLY A ONE LANE ROAD DURING DROP-OFF AND PICKUP VARIED A COUPLE HAD BEEN SUGGESTED. I WOULD AGREE WITH THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIE FOR YOU. YOU AND YOUR CLIENT, WOULD HAVE TO REDESIGN THAT. IF YOU PUT IT TOWARDS THE EASTERN END, PERSON GOING IN AND COMING OUT, ABOUT 100 YARDS DOWN OR LESS, 100 DOWN ON SHORES BOULEVARD. GO DOWN THERE, GO BACK WEST. WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO DO. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. >> THERE IS A PARAMOUNT CONCERN. YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESS >>> THERE WOULD BE I UNDERSTAND OPERATING HOURS THE SCHOOLS DROP OFF AND PICK UP. THAT IS THE CONGESTION. WE UNDERSTAND THE PARENT PICKUP LINE DOES GO OUT TO SHORES BOULEVARD. I DON'T KNOW WE WOULD BE FIXING THAT BY PUTTING OUR ACCESS ON SHORES BOULEVARD THE ISSUES WITH SCHOOL CONGESTION STILL EXIST. I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACCESS AND DEVELOP OUR PROPERTY BUT WE HAVE EXTENDED THE SIDEWALK SO IN THIS CASE THE FACT THAT WE ARE EXEMPT FROM TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY AND THIS IS WHERE THE STAFF LAID IT OUT , THIS IS HOW THE ENTIRE THING HAS BEEN DONE TO THE [01:00:04] ENTIRE COMMENT RESPONSE PROCESS OF THIS PUD . WE HAVE NEVER LOOKED AT SHORES DRIVE AFTER MEETING WITH STAFF. BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT TAKING UP ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE WE UNDERSTAND FOLKS PARK, TO WAIT FOR THE SCHOOL. WE DON'T LIKE WE WILL BE A HINDRANCE. ESPECIALLY DURING MORNING DROP OFF TIME. I KNOW THE OWNERS WANT TO SELF PROFFER WE WILL NOT HAVE LARGE DROP-OFFS OR PICKUPS AND THAT CAN BE CONDITIONED DURING THE P.M. SCHOOL HOURS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TRUCKS DELIVERING SUPPLIES TO THE NURSERY OR VICE VERSA AND WE CONTROL IT. THEY ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND OWNERS AND PROPRIETORS OF THIS NURSERY SO THEY WOULD SELF PROFFER THAT AS WELL TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THEY DO WANT TO ALSO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY SO FORTH THAT THEY WOULD OFFER FIELD TRIPS TO THE NURSERY ITSELF BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE NURSERY EXPLAINING WHAT EACH PLANT IS, WHAT THE FLOWERS ARE. THEY HAVE DONE OUTREACH AND I KNOW YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE OPPOSITION, BUT A LOT OF FOLKS ARE FOR THIS AS WELL AND THEY BEEN PART OF THE NEXT DOOR APP AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT AND I KNOW SOME FOLKS ARE HERE TO SPEAK FOR IT. AS FAR AS ACCESS, THE ACCESS IS WHAT WE HAVE HAD SINCE DAY ONE AND WE UNDERSTAND THE REST OF THE TIME NOT INVOLVING SCHOOL DROP OFF THERE'S NOT ANY ISSUE AT THE INTERSECTION WITH SHORES DRIVE. SELF PROFFERING AFTERNOON HOURS AND THE FACT THEY DON'T OPEN UNTIL 9:00 A.M. MOST TRAFFIC IS DURING THE WEEKEND WHEN THE SCHOOL IS NOT OPEN SO THAT'S THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC GENERATION , DURING THE WEEKEND ITSELF WHICH IS WHEN THE SCHOOL IS NOT A THEY SELF PROFFER THAT AND WE CAN ADD THAT AS A CONDITION. >> THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN THE APPLICATION. I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE, BUT THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS ALREADY IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF SHORES. I THOUGHT IT WAS CONTIGUOUS WITH THE ONE-YEAR ZONING MAP, LOOKS CONTIGUOUS BUT NOT WITHIN COMMERCIAL. >> IT IS KNOWN AS BUSINESS COMMERCIAL IN THE PUD, THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THIS AND WITH STAFF, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP , WE WOULD NOT BE HERE, WE WOULD GO TO PERMITTING IMMEDIATELY AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW AT THE COUNTY IF WE WERE A RETAIL OUTLET FOR FOOD AND DRUGS, A PET SHOP, FLORIST OR GIFT SHOP, KEEP THAT IN MIND FLORIST, A BAKESHOP, DRUGSTORE, SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT SUCH AS A RESTAURANT. GYMNASIUM, DANCE OR MUSIC STUDIO, SELF-SERVICE LAUNDRY OR DRYCLEANER, LAUNDRY PACKAGE PLANT MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICE, CHURCH, HOSPITAL, NURSING HOME, COMMUNITY CENTER, LITTLE THEATER, RESEARCH LABORATORY, PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OFFICE, BANK, PROTOCOL, FUNERAL HOME, VETERINARIAN , COMMERCIAL INDOOR RECREATION , HOTEL OR MOTEL, CELL OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WHICH WE WON'T HAVE AND SALE OF SECOND HALF MERCHANDISE. THOSE ARE THINGS PERMITTED BY RIGHT NO EXCEPTIONAL VARIANTS NO MODIFICATION. THEY COULD GO SHOVEL READY. SO, I ASKED FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THE MAIN HOURS OF OPERATION IN THE PEAK HOURS ARE DURING THE WEEKEND AND THEIR SELF PROFFERING LIMITATIONS ON WEEKDAYS AND ENGAGING THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SO THEY CAN WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND OFFER TOURS FOR FIELD TRIPS. >> THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER AND A LONG LIST. I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE MORE. >> THERE IS MORE, BUT I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. THERE IS A TON MORE AND I CAN READ THEM BUT I WILL PROVIDE THIS FOR A RECORD. I UNDERLINED A FEW OF THOSE AND THERE IS MORE. >> WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS TURN TO FIND IT I THOUGHT IT WAS FURTHER NORTH ON SHORES BOULEVARD OR JUST OFF U.S. 1. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS RIGHT ALONG THERE. A COUPLE LETTERS POINTED OUT THIS IS WELL EAST OF ANY COMMERCIAL USE ON COULD YOU 1 OR IN THE AREA. SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME SO FAR EAST INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD , RATHER THAN BEING OUT TOWARD U.S. 1. SEEMS A LITTLE INTRUSIVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING USE. [01:05:03] >> IF YOU WILL LET ME, I THINK THE LEAST INTENSE OF THE ITEMS OF PERMISSIBLE USE BY EXCEPTION. AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION, MINI GOLF COURSE, PRACTICE DRIVING RANGE, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT MANUFACTURING GOODS , NIGHTCLUBS, PACKAGE STORE, DRIVE-IN RESTAURANT, RETAIL PLANT NURSERY, RETAIL OUTLETS FOR TIRES, BATTERIES AND AUTO ACCESSORIES AND BROADCASTING OFFICES. A RETAIL PLANT NURSERY IS THE LEAST ON THE LIST AND HERE WE ARE ASKING FOR MINOR MOD. WE CAN DO SHOVEL READY RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW OR DRYCLEANER RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE GO THERE DURING PEAK TIMES, PRIMARY USE OFF PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS. WE WILL BE ACCOMMODATING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE SCHOOLS AND PARENTS AND HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS SUPPORTING THE PROJECT. IT IS A GREEN PROJECT. NOT ONLY DO WE PROVIDE , NOT ASKING FOR WAIVER AN EXCEPTION FOR LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, BUT THE ENTIRE PLACE IS A BUFFER PROVIDING TREES AND FLOWERS AND VEGETATION FOR RETAIL SALE FOR THE COMMUNITY. OF THE PESTICIDE COMPARISON FROM TERROR NURSERY WHICH WILL PROVIDE AS AN EXHIBIT FOR THE RECORD. SHOWING THINGS LIKE OILS , THE THINGS BUILT INTO THE CROP THREE DEFENDER WHICH ARE SAFE BOTANICAL INGREDIENTS. THOSE ARE THE PESTICIDES THAT COME WITH THIS ORGANIC NURSERY. TOY ASK FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL. >> MR. MATOVINA. >> THIS IS RETAIL SALES ONLY. THEY WILL NOT BE GROWING PLANTS HERE IN POTS? >> THERE IS A GREENHOUSE. THERE WOULD BE SOME ANNUALS AND PERENNIALS GROWN IN THE GREENHOUSE IN THE BACK. IF YOU CAN REPLENISH CURRENT STOCK ON SITE, BUT IT IS RETAIL. NOT A WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTOR LIKE A TREE FARM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WILL DO DELIVERY. THEY WILL DO LOCAL DELIVERY. YES THEY WILL DO DELIVERY. >> DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE THAT COULD SHOW US WHERE WD HARTLEY IS AND HOW THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP? >> SO, THERE IS WD HARTLEY. SO, EVERYTHING IS COMING OFF INTO U.S. 1, SHORES BOULEVARD FINALLY INTO WG HARTLEY WITH SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS THROW INCLUDING OUR PROJECT TO THE EXISTING SITE. OUR ACCESS POINT. WE UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC TO BACK UP ON SHORES BOULEVARD 'S WE HAVE THE SAME SCENARIO IF WE PUT THE DRIVEWAY ON SHORES BOULEVARD EXCEPT THERE WOULD BE MORE IMPEDING OF NATURAL FLOW OF TRAFFIC COMPARED . WE HAVE WRESTLED WITH A NUMBER OF NAMES. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SITTING ON WILL GO TO THE AUDIENCE. ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? IF SO, COME FORWARD. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? >> I'M AFFECTED BY THE TRAFFIC EVERYDAY AND THIS WILL NOT AFFECT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS MOVING NORTH TOWARD SHORES DRIVE OR BOULEVARD. BECAUSE ALL THE PEOPLE TURNING AROUND COMING UP TO THE ENTRY POINT OF THE SCHOOL. IF ANYTHING THIS HAS SOME ALLEVIATION MAYBE WITH PARKING SPOTS SO I AM IN FAVOR BECAUSE IT'S LOW INTENSITY. NOT A HIDEOUS THING TO LOOK AT SO I AM IN FULL FAVOR AS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> I WOULD ASK WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ANOTHER MEETING. >> ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? YES SIR. >> MY NAME IS OPPOSED TO THE APPLICATION CONSIDERING ALL THE OTHER KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED. I AM OPPOSED TO THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY AND SHORES BOULEVARD IS A FOUR-LANE ROAD. IS A TWO LANE 2 LANE RD. AND WHEN THE SCHOOL IS AT DISMISSAL THE CARS LINE UP FROM THE SCHOOL TO SHORES BOULEVARD [01:10:05] AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE PLANT NURSERY WILL BE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT TRAFFIC. SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT THE GENTLEMAN PRESENTED, THE PARKING LOT WAS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF SHORES BOULEVARD AND IT LOOKED EASY FROM MY STANDPOINT JUST TO LOCATE THE ENTRANCE FROM SHORES BOULEVARD. I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT ONE OTHER THING I THINK HAD NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP WHICH IS ON THE STREET ACROSS FROM WHERE THE PLANT NURSERY IS , THERE IS A TREE AREA THAT BACKS UP TO THE SCHOOL. THERE IS A PROPOSAL WITH PLANNING AND ZONING TO PUT A DAYCARE CENTER AND A OFFICE BUILDING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PLANT NURSERY AND THE ENTRANCE WILL USE SUGGEST YOU LOOK AT MAKING THAT ENTRANCE , SO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, AT THE HARTLEY SCHOOL. IT IS VERY VERY BUSY AT SCHOOL DROP OFF TIMES. IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A PROBLEM FOR RESIDENTS TO NAVIGATE THAT, AT THOSE TIMES. AGAIN I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE PLANT NURSERY PER SE, JUST TO THE LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND HAVE THAT BE DEVELOPED ON SHORES BOULEVARD AND NAME ]. >> ALL RIGHT. >> HONEST WITH YOU. IF THE RETAIL IS ACCESSIBLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PRODUCTS ARE PRICED AT A POINT WHERE THEY CAN BE AFFORDABLE THEN IT CAN WORK. IF YOU EXPECT TO USE CONTRACTORS IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THERE'S MUCH TRAILER ACCESS POINT IN THE DRIVEWAY . IF YOU MAKE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR LOCAL TRADESMEN TO COME IN WITH THE TRAILER IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THERE'S MUCH ROOM TO DO A THREE POINT TURN SO I WOULD PUT IT IN THERE AND IT IS A LITTLE MORE EAST AND I HOPE YOUR PRODUCTS ARE PRICED TO PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THEM BECAUSE THERE IS A NURSERY ACROSS THE WAY A LEGACY NURSERY FOR 30 YEARS THAT JUST WENT ON A BUSINESS THREE YEARS AGO. SO YOU HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE TO KNOCK OUT ALL THOSE TREES AND GO OUT OF BUSINESS IN THREE YEARS WOULD NOT DO US ANY FAVOR. HOPEFULLY THEY KEEP THE PRICES ATTAINABLE. CONSIDER THE TRADESMEN COMING IN WITH THEIR TAYLOR'S -- TRAILERS PLEASE. >> YES MA'AM. >> I LIVE IN THAT AREA AND I AM FOR THIS NURSERY. WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO LIGHT, SOMEONE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT PROBABLY THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION. RIGHT AWAY SLEPT IT UP ON NEXT-DOOR. PEOPLE STARTED PILING ON , THAT YOU KNOW THIS WOULD BE A HORRIBLE THING AND TRAFFIC AND PESTICIDES AND YOU NAME IT. AND THE OWNER CAME ON TO NEXT DOOR AND STARTED PUTTING OUT PICTURES OF WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO AND ENGAGING THOSE THAT WERE RECENTLY ATTACKING HIM. AT THE END OF THE DAY HE WAS WINNING MOST OF THEM OVER WITH HIS WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, TWO THIS A COMMUNITY BUSINESS. NOW, I HURT THE DEVELOPERS LAWYER TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS COMMERCIAL. THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA. COMMERCIAL ON U.S. 1 , THAT IS YOUR COUNTY DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL AREA. AND THEN THE PUD FOR THE SHORES THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR AGES. BEFORE WE KNEW WHAT A PUD WAS. AND CERTAIN PARCELS WITHIN THE [01:15:02] PUD HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED FOR OTHER PURPOSES , OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL. THAT PARTICULAR ONE THAT HE IS PROPOSING IS ONE OF THOSE. WHETHER THAT COULD BE A GAS STATION AND ALL THE THINGS HE SAID, I DOUBT THAT. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO THERE AND HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE WAY THAT THE TRAFFIC STACKS UP FOR THE MORNINGS WON'T BE AN ISSUE. HE WON'T BE OPEN YET AND IN THE AFTERNOON, WE IN THE AREA UNDERSTAND WHEN THE AREA IS JAMMED UP AND YOU DON'T GO THERE, PUTTING THE ENTRANCE OFF THE SHORES EVEN THOUGH IT'S TWO LANES , I THINK WOULD BE WORSE BECAUSE PEOPLE GET GOING ON THAT STRAIGHTAWAY . THEY ARE IN THE LEFT LANE. YOU HAVE THE ONES WAITING IN THE RIGHT LANE. AND I THINK IT'S ALMOST BETTER , RATHER THAN INTERRUPT THE WAITING LINE TO MAKE THE RIGHT HAND TURN BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE MAKE THE RIGHT TURN THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY THINKING WATCH FOR CHILDREN AND THANK YOU. >> COME ON UP. YES SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. ADDRESS ] SO I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION. IT IS VERY OBVIOUS WHEN YOU READ THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IT PREDATES THE LAND-USE PLANNING THAT WAS CONCEIVED PRIOR TO 1990 AND THIS WAS DONE IN THE 1970S. SO THE LAND-USE DESIGNATION RESIDENTIAL C DOES NOT EVEN APPLY. YOU HAVE BLANKETED THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH WAS PUD WITH COMMERCIAL PARCELS THROUGHOUT, COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT ARE EVEN 1 MILE FURTHER IN TO THIS PUD. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE INTENSITY OF THE USE , THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS PROBABLY THE LEAST ON THE ENTIRE LIST OF PERMITTED USE AND PERMITTED USE BY EXCEPTION. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE LIST 10 TIMES AND IF YOU ASK 10 PEOPLE, POINT TO THE ONE THAT'S LEAST INTENSE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY POINT TO THAT ONE. ANOTHER THING IS WITH REGARD TO ACCESS TO NAME ] BY HAVING THAT AXIS AND NOT HAVING IT ON SHORES BOULEVARD, IF YOU HAD TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF SHORES BOULEVARD, THOSE PEOPLE GETTING OUT ON U.S. 1 WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN IN A BUSY INTERSECTION. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY, IT IS COMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF USE. IT WOULD NOT BE ON THE LIST OF USE BY EXCEPTION IF IT WEREN'T AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YES MA'AM. >> TO YOU? >> GREAT WITH THE PLAN , ONCE AGAIN THE ACCESS IS REALLY BAD. THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT CLOSE , BUT I LIVE IN THERE AND IT BACKS UP TO MY HOUSE NOW. THERE ARE KIDS WALKING EVERYWHERE AND I HAVE BEEN HIT TWICE ALREADY. BACKING OUT FROM THE SCHOOL. SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM IF YOU LIVE IN THE AREA. I HAVE HAD TO MAKE DOCTORS APPOINTMENT WITH A WINDOW THAT I KNOW I HAVE TO LEAVE LIKE ONE HOUR EARLY. SO ANYWAY. ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? YES SIR. [01:20:03] >> OF THIS PROJECT. WHEN FOLKS TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AT THE SCHOOL, MY BLOCK IS SEVERELY IMPACTED . AWAY FROM SHORES BOULEVARD AND I CAN ATTEST THAT THE TRAFFIC BACKUP ON THE PICKUPS IN THE AFTERNOON DISSIPATES WITHIN 15 MINUTES. IT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT'S DISCUSSED ALREADY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD GO THERE AND WHAT IS PROPOSED, IT IS A DAY AND NIGHT DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHOLE ISSUE BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN HERE SIX YEARS LIVING THERE AND PEACEFUL, QUIET, A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT HAS ALWAYS HAD GOOD VIBES EVERYTHING IS GOOD. EVEN THE TRAFFIC WITH SCHOOL, IT WAS DIFFICULT BUT NOT A BIG DEAL FOR US BECAUSE WE ARE USED TO THAT. PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE CORNER DOWN THERE ON SHORES DRIVER BOULEVARD, IT WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE PEOPLE NOW GETTING THROUGH THERE EVEN JUST DURING THE DAY YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE CORNER HERE, THE CORNER THERE. THE TRAFFIC, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR TREVOR TO GO OTHER THAN BY THE ALUMINUM PLANT AND THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY OUR ROAD. AND I KNOW THE CONDOS USE THAT AND I ALSO SAW SIGNS ABOUT THE PUD OFF OF THAT ROAD. SO IF YOU HAVE A ACCIDENT OR EMERGENCY DOWN THERE THERE IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO EVACUATE ALL OF OUR PEOPLE, 230 HOUSES. SO IT IS A VERY BIG CONCERN IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT OUT ON THE MAIN ROAD, THAT WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE STREET NAME ] IS A SMALL AREA. IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE EASY TO GET OUT OF WITH ALL THE CONCERNS WITH THE SCHOOL AND WITH US AND EVERYBODY BACK THERE. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY , SHOULD THERE BE AN EMERGENCY OR EVEN IF THERE ISN'T, HOW IT'S GOING TO FLOW BECAUSE IF IT GOES OUT ONTO THE MAIN DRAG IT MIGHT SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC UP AND DOW , THEY GO OVER 35 MPH SO DOWN OUR ROAD WE NEED IT, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE AND I FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT DRAG DOWN VALUES AND PROPERTIES ALSO. SO THINK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ] >> THANK YOU, ADDRESS ] I THINK THE OVERARCHING ISSUE AND CONCERN IS WHAT THE HECK TO CALL THE ROAD. I THINK I HEARD FIVE DIFFERENT VERSIONS. NEVERTHELESS I WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE RECORD AND IT IS PUBLIC RECORD BUT I WILL SUBMIT AS PART OF THE EXHIBITS. FROM TECHNICAL TRANSPORTATION ON IT WAS TO LIMIT ACCESS TO THOSE THINGS WERE DESCRIBED BY SOME FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC HERE AND I HIT ON IT AS WELL. HAVE A FOUR LANE DIVIDED SHORES BOULEVARD. NOTWITHSTANDING THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND SPEED LIMITS ON THE ROADWAY COMPARED TO DO A U-TURN. IF YOU COME ON THE PROPERTY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER YOU HAVE TO DO A U-TURN AND GO BACK THE OTHER WAY. THIS AFFORDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN OFF THE INTERSECTION, FEET OFF ON THE PROPERTY, LIKELY THAT'S WHY STAFF AND STAFF IS THE RESIDENT EXPERT, THEY DIRECTED US TO HAVE ACCESS AND DRIVEWAY OF OF THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE KEPT IT. WE LEAN HEAVILY ON THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE DESIGNED OUR PROPERTY BUT WITHOUT QUESTION IT IS TRAFFIC FLOW WITH ALL THE U-TURNS ACCOMMODATING THIS [01:25:03] COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. SO I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS HERE TO SPEAK ON ANOTHER MATTER BUT I APPRECIATE THEM COMING UP TO SPEAK. WE DID TAKE TWO CONCERNS AND I WILL STICK UP FOR MY CLIENT BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN EXTREMELY PARTICIPATORY IN THE OUTREACH FROM DAY ONE. ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD APP, NEXT DOOR APP, SHARING EVERYTHING VERY TRANSPARENT AND RESPONDING TO EVERY SINGLE OF THE THOUSANDS OF RESPONSES AND COMMENTS FROM THE FOLKS FOR IT AND AGAINST IT AND WHATNOT. SO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME THERE THERE AND PLAY WE CAN WRAP THIS UP BUT I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDER FOR APPROVING THIS AND WE PLAN TO BE GREAT NEIGHBORS. >> THANK YOU. >> I DID READ IN ONE OR TWO OF THE LETTERS FROM THE CLIENT. WHO HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE SO THAT'S GREAT. ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED IN THE PACKET, IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL CMAC ZONING NOT MIXED-USE. SPEC I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MIXED-USE. >> OKAY WELL I AM. ON THE MAP IT SHOWS MIXED-USE CONTIGUOUS WITH YOUR PROPERTY. ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. THIS IS KNOWN AS CMAC. CAN YOU JUST THAT? >> CMAC IS A LAND-USE CATEGORY IN THE COMP PLAN, BUT IT ALLOWS COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USE. MIXED-USE ALLOWS A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL AND INTENSE USE THAN THAT CATEGORY. SO, WE ARE COMPATIBLE. MIXTURE OF USE IS JUST THAT, DOES NOT HAVE TO BE EXACTLY SIMILAR BUT IT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE AND IN HARMONY WITH THE MASS AND SCALE AND CONTEXT AND I THINK WE ARE PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND FACT THAT WE ARE THAT ON THIS PROPERTY SO I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP COMPATIBILITY, APPRECIATE THAT THANK YOU. >> MR. GREEN. >> AS I COUNT THIS I'M LOOKING AT ABOUT 12 PARKING SPACES THAT'S ALL? >> YES OR. >> LOOKS LIKE IT'S VERY SMALL. HAVE A DUMPSTER? >> YES, EVERYTHING THAT ACCOMMODATES THE CODE. THAT IS A CODE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT TYPE OF SPACE, BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN CANVASSING AND RESEARCHING OTHER NURSERIES AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE FOUR CARS IN THE PARKING LOTS AT PEAK TIMES. HAS DONE STUDIES AND VIDEOS AT THIS INTERSECTION ON ALL TIMES OF THE DAY. HE'S GOT A BANK OF INFORMATION AND IS READY TO ADJUST AS NEEDED TO BE A GREAT CUSTOMER OR I'M SORRY A GREAT PATRON. AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT SPECULATIVE. THIS IS THEIR VISION, HE IS RETIRED SO HE AND HIS SOEMBARKING ON THIS ENDEAVOR. 12 SPACES IS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. IT IS A DERIVATIVE OF OUTDOOR SPACE FOR SALES AND THE AMOUNT OF ENCLOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE. VERY MINIMAL ENCLOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THIS SITE. >> I DON'T THINK, IT'S UP FOR US FOR CONSIDERATION BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD DICTATE WHERE TRAFFIC SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T GO. WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL STAFF HERE AT THE COUNTY AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THERE IS A LOT OF BACK-AND-FORTH WHERE DRIVEWAYS SHOULD GO. THAT IS A CONSIDERATION THAT WE ALL KNOW IS AN OVERVIEW . I'M NOT PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH IN MY FIELD TO MAKE THAT DECISION. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> OKAY MR. GREEN. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD 2024 -11, RETAIL NURSERY. WILL TAKE THE PRONUNCIATION OF THE STREET BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SEVEN CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY STAFF. >> WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THE ADDED CONDITION OF NO DELIVERY PEAK P.M. HOURS? [01:30:01] >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU FOR AMENDING ME. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> I WILL SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? DR. HILSENBECK. >> WELL, BRAD YOU HAD GOOD ANSWERS AND PEOPLE SPEAKING IN FAVOR. I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON NAME ] BUT YOU DID HAVE THAT TRANSPORTATION SHEET THAT YOU SHOWED BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WAS IN THE APPLICATION MATERIAL. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING OF BEEN DOING WITH THE COUNTY WITH. THE FACT THAT [5. MAJMOD 2023-03 Marsh Landing Golf Course Lots. Request for a Major Modification to the Marsh Landing PUD (ORD. 1975-15, as amended) to convert approximately 1.9 acres of golf course to one (1) single-family lot. This item was heard at the regularly scheduled February 1, 2024 Planning and Zoning Hearing and was continued with a vote of 7-0. The original request was for four single-family homes but has since been reduced to one single-family home on the Kingfisher parcel.] NAME ] IS FAIRLY COMPELLING. AND IT IS A LOW INTENSITY USE AND I DO LIKE NURSERIES. SO I WILL PROBABLY SUPPORT IT, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COME ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NON-LET'S REGISTERED THE VOTE. OKAY THAT PASSES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ANY THING FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? >> I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH ZACH MILLER YESTERDAY. WE HAD A CONVERSATION. >> I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS. >> SAME, I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THIS HAS CHANGED SINCE THE FIRST PRESENTATION. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I TRIED. I WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL GETTING A PHONE NUMBER UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE. MAYBE I WILL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER FOR NEXT TIME. >> MDM. CHAIR. I WANT TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW THERE ARE TWO DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE ATTORNEYS WHO WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SPEAKING FOR THE PUBLIC FIRST IN LINE ON THIS ITEM. THEY ARE NAME ] REPRESENTING SEPARATE CLIENTS. >> SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME? >> 10 MINUTES EACH. >> OKAY ALL RIGHT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ZACH MILLER THIS WILL EASILY BE THE MOST FLIGHTS YOU'LL EVER SEE FOR ONE ZONING FOR ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. APPROXIMATELY 2 ACRES. I FIND THIS INTERESTING THE DUVAL COUNTY BORDER IS JUST NORTH OF THE PROPERTY . THE APARTMENT COMPLEX I LIVED IN AFTER LAW SCHOOL IS OVER TO THE SIDE. THIS IS A CLOSE-UP VIEW OF THE SITE. THIS IS THE AREA ON WHAT USED TO BE NUMBER EIGHT ON THE MARSH LANDING GOLF COURSE, WHILE PENDING THEY FLIPPED THE NINES SO THIS IS 17. IT IS A PAR FIVE AND IT RUNS COME THE TOP OF THE SCREEN IS THE TEE BOX IN THE BOTTOM TO THE FAIRWAY , IF THE SCREEN WAS IN A LARGER BE STANDING WHERE THE GREEN IS. YOU CAN SEE THE HOME BUILT IN 2020 , WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE AND A SECOND. THAT'S THE DRIVER GOING TO CROSS. KINGFISHER DRIVE TO THE WEST. PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION , THE HOME YOU CAN BARELY SEE TO THE SOUTH WITH THE POOL. LET'S TALK HOW WE GOT HERE. THE PROPERTY PRIMARILY THE GOLF COURSE WAS SOLD BY CHESTER STOKES ML PARTNERSHIP TO CONCERT GOLF. THE HOA APPROVED A LOAN TO FINANCE THE SALE APPROVED BY 92%. AS PART OF THAT, THESE FLYERS WERE SENT OUT. AS PART OF THE FLYERS, I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED , THERE WAS , A MEMBER OF THE HOA , FOUR LOTS WOULD BE DEVELOPED, TWO BEHIND 15 AND TWO LOTS ON THE OLD NUMBER EIGHT AND 17. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN USE ON FEBRUARY. THERE WERE TWO PONDS IN THE NORTHERN PART YOU CAN SEE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN TWO LOTS . THIS IS THE PLAN AS WE ARE SHOWING TODAY. AGAIN I SUSPECT THIS WILL COME UP, BUT AS I MENTIONED THE PROPERTY IS JUST SHY OF 2 ACRES. IF YOU NOTICE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND TEXT WE ARE ASKING FOR A LOT OF 9600 [01:35:06] FT.÷ AND SMALLER SETBACKS, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? WE WANT FOLKS ABILITY TO BE OF THE DONATE THE PROPERTY WE ARE NOT USING BACK TO EITHER THE HOA OR TO THE GOLF COURSE. KEEPINGTHE LOT 9600 FT.÷ GIVES US FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. IS A BECOMES AN ISSUE WE ARE FINE MAKING THE LOT LARGER WITH A LOT OF HOMES IN THE AREA 20,000 TO 30,000 SQUARE-FEET. TAKING THE LOT LARGER ON THE TEXT THEN ON THE SITE PLAN WILL NOT CHANGE THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OR THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE, JUST THE NUMBER ON IT, THIS WILL ONLY BE ONE HOME. THE SMALLER THE LOT THE MORE FOLKS ABILITY WE HAVE TO GET BACK. I FIND THIS INTERESTING. BECAUSE THE DRI WAS APPROVED TO THE COMP PLAN YOUR COMP PLAN MAKES THIS ITS OWN DESIGNATION. ORIGINAL DRI AND PUD WERE APPROVED IN THE 70S. YOU CAN SEE THE DUVAL COUNTY BORDER. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DRI MAP. TO YOUR LEFT IS THE NORTH DUVAL COUNTY BORDER AND TO THE SOUTH , I BRING THIS UP TO SHOW HOW MUCH THIS HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST 40 OR 50 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT. THE LITTLE NUMBERS ARE THE DENSITIES OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED DENSITY UNDER THIS DRI THE COMP PLAN IS TWO UNITS PER ACRE. THIS WAS THE LATEST VERSION I COULD FIND AND STAFF COULD FIND OF THE OVERALL PUD. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT HOW THE PUD WAS DEVELOPED. A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT, THERE IS A DRIVING RANGE ON IT, A CLUBHOUSE THAT'S CALLED OUT ON IT, THERE IS OFFICE SPACE. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MULTIFAMILY CHANGING OVER THE YEARS WITH SOME COMMERCIAL. IF YOU NOTICE THERE IS NO GOLF COURSE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE ORIGINAL PUD. THE ORIGINAL PUD AND DRI , IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR OVER 12,000 DWELLING UNITS , 1000 WERE DEVELOPED. THE REASON I BRING THAT UP ON THE NEXT POINT IS WHEN I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AND WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD I CONTACTED STAFF BECAUSE I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY THIS WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION. WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, ON THE PUD I CANNOT FIND OUT THE NEW USE OR CHANGE. STAFF AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BRIEFED US THIS WAS APPROVED AS MINOR MODIFICATION ONLY GETTING VOTED ON BY YOUR SO WHAT DID WE DO IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION? THOSE IN OPPOSITION SAID THEY WOULD APPEAL IF THEY LOST SO IN ORDER TO BE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF TIME WE DECIDED TO PROCESS THIS IS A MAJOR MODIFICATION IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS AREA OF MARSH LANDING THE WAY IT USED TO WORK IF YOU HAVE THE OVERALL BUBBLE PLAN THE ORIGINAL PUD AND DRI AND YOU HAD INDIVIDUAL FINAL PLANS THAT CAME IN AND IMPLEMENTED THE SECTIONAL THE MAP SECTIONS THAT YOU DO , THIS WAS SILVERLEAF. THIS IS HOW IT USED TO BE PROCESSED. THIS WAS ONE OF THE LAST SECTIONS OF MARSH LANDING PROCESSED WITH THE COMP PLAN. THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT, IS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS 66 RESIDENTS AND OTHERS CAME UP , THE COMMISSIONER BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST MEETING. IS THERE A RED LINE BETWEEN THE TEXT OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING VERSUS THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL DO NOT HAVE DEVELOPED STANDARDS BUT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT LANDED. 20 FOOT YARD SETBACKS, 5 YARD SETBACKS, TWO TOTAL SIDE YARDS. THE KEY POINT TO FOCUS ON HIS IT WAS 66 RESIDENTS OVER AN AREA OF 80 ACRES. ONLY 65 OF THE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED. WHY IS THAT? HERE'S OUR PROPERTY. LOOK AT THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT. THAT IS LOT NINE, LOT NINE WAS ORIGINALLY A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT AND IT WAS PLATTED AS A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT, THE 66 LOT DEVELOPED. WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? MR. STOKES DONATED IT TO THE SECTIONAL HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA IN 2002. WE [01:40:07] HIGHLIGHTED THAT TO LET YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY COULD ONLY BE USED AS A COMMON AREA. THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW ZOOMING IN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM 1994. LOT NINE, THE LOT WE ARE PROPOSING IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THIS IS A VIEW OF LOT NINE FROM THE GOLF COURSE. I THINK THAT'S THE HOME, YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF IN THE BACK. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT I PUT FORTH, WE JUST GOT THIS LAST WEEK. SHOWING THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE HOME AND THE LANDSCAPING. AND OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT SETBACKS WHERE WE PUT THE HOME AND THE FACT THAT THE SITE PLAN SAYS THE HOME IS APPROXIMATION. WE WILLING TO COMMIT THE HOME SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN WE ARE NOT MOVING THAT ANY MORE THAN 20 FEET IN ANY DIRECTION. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM FOR FINAL ENGINEERING, BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE THE SITE IS AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION. FOR REFERENCE BETWEEN THE BACKYARD THE SOUTHERN PART CLOSEST TO US THERE 65 TO 70 FEET FROM THAT TO THE POND AND FROM THE POND TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS 80 FEET. 130 TO 150 FEET FROM THE REAR OF THE HOME TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. I TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. DENSITY HOME BUILT IN 2020, 2021. THE PROPERTY LINE GOES TO THE NORTH AROUND OUR PROPERTY. THEY DON'T HAVE A RECORDED EASEMENT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS MR. STOKES ALLOW THEM TO BUILD THE DRIVER. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHATEVER DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE PROPERTY AND TO EXPLAIN WHY WE DID NOT HAVE THE HOME FURTHER AWAY. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPOSED HOME FACING SOUTHEAST. YOU CAN SEE HERE IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN ON THE PROPERTY. TRYING TO APPROXIMATE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE HOME. THIS IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER FACING NORTHEAST. THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER FACING SOUTHEAST. YOU CAN SEE THE WALL OF THE HOME THERE AND AGAIN APPROXIMATE LOCATION. SOUTHWEST CORNER IN THE SOUTHWEST THAT'S LOT NINE FACING TOWARD THE OFFERED HOME. THIS IS A PICTURE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE PEAK HOME FACING THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE HOME WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE POND. FROM THAT LOCATION. THIS IS THE PLAN WE ARE COMMITTED TO. NOT MOVING THE HOME 20 FEET IN ANY DIRECTION. THIS IS DRIVING SOUTH ON KINGFISHER, THAT THE OAKLEY HOME TO THE LEFT, THE HOME WE ARE PROPOSING WITH TREES THERE. AGAIN NOW NOT ON KINGFISHER ANYMORE BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE CART PATH. THIS IS NOT ON THE ROAD, THAT IS FROM THE CART PATH. THE FRONT OF THE HOME, THE REAR WOULD BE FACING SOUTH APPROXIMATELY DOWN THE 17. THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE HOME FROM THE SAME PICTURE THAT I TOOK FROM THE PEAK PROPERTY BOUNDARY. THERE WAS ONE WAIVER REQUESTED FOR ACTIVE RECREATION. I WAS NOT SURE IF THE WAIVER IS NECESSARY. THE CODE REQUIRED HAS EXCEPTION FOR PARCELS LESS THAN 10 ACRES. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ACTIVE RECREATION, GENERALLY YOU HAVE TO DO 1 ACRE. IT IS NOT CLEAR IF THE PARCEL WAS ALL OF MARSH LANDING SO OUT OF ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION WE ADDED THAT. PRACTICALLY SPEAKING THE CODE ALLOWS FOR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE AND HAVING 1 ACRE OF RECREATION IS ESSENTIALLY A 2 ACRE LOT WITH A DRI EXISTING 50 YEARS FOR ACTIVE RECREATION. ONE OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IS 25% BE OPEN SPACE. THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME IS APPROXIMATELY 3000 SQUARE-FEET MAXIMUM. THAT EQUATES TO 4% FOR [01:45:05] THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. FACTOR IN THE DRIVEWAY IT IS DOUBLING. LOOKING AT 90% OF THE PROPERTY AND HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ADJUSTING THE LOT SIZE IF THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH SETBACK JUST KEEP IN MIND WHATEVER WE DO THAT'S PROPERTY WE CAN GET BACK TO THE HOA AND THE GOLF COURSE. WITH THAT I HAVE DAVE TAYLOR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT ENGINEERING. OR DRAINAGE. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK. >> GIVEN THAT THERE ARE OTHER PLATTED LOTS, MAYBE 1100 OTHERS , MAYBE ALL OF THOSE CAN'T BE BUILT ON, 100 COULD BE. >> HAVING SEARCHED ALL THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND PLATS I COULD FIND I COULD NOT FIND ANY OTHER UNDEVELOPED PLATTED LOTS DESIGNATED. ZERO I COULD NOT FIND ANY. GRANTED I WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THIS AND THE PROPERTY BUT I DID NOT FIND ANYTHING. TALKING ABOUT LOTS PLATTED DESIGNATING A LOT. >> LOOKING AT AERIAL PHOTOS ON GOOGLE EARTH AND I SAW THERE COULD BE A LOT OF LOTS IN THE AREA BUT I DID NOT HAVE THE PLAT . >> THIS IS MORE , BUT ONE OF THE THINGS INTERESTING LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND A LOT OF AREAS THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WITH THIS LARGE DEVELOPMENT NOT PLATTED AT ALL. JUST DESIGNATED AS NON-PLATTED AREAS. THIS AREA OF THE GOLF COURSE IS DESIGNATED AS A TRACK WITH RESTRICTIONS ALLOWING THE RIGHT TO CONVERT TRACKS INTO LOTS. I DID NOT LOOK AT THIS, UNIT 29 OR ANY FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND I DID NOT FIND ANY LOTS DESIGNATED FOR THAT AND FOR THE GOLF COURSE AS OF TWO YEARS AGO RESTRICTED TO GOLF COURSE USES . >> JUST STRIKES ME AS TO WHY RIGHT THERE , WHY THIS LOT IS SO IMPORTANT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HOUSE NEEDS TO BE PUT ON IT. SOME CONCERN WHY. >> CAN GO TO ALL THE REASONS. THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN HOA AND MR. STOKES AND THE PICKED AT THE AREA AND THE HOA LOOK AT THIS. MY GUESS IS THIS WAS A LOT NEAR AN EXISTING ROADWAY AND THE ONLY OTHER HOME ON THAT SITE OF THE ROAD ALREADY CROSSES THE GOLF COURSE SO SIMILAR TO THE HOMES. >> IT IS NEAR LOT NINE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE DISCUSSIONS CAME UP BUT THIS IS NEXT TO PARCEL DESIGNATED. >> IF THIS IS APPROVED GOING TO TRY TO DENY THE PERSON WHOSE DRIVER COMES ACROSS THE PROPERTY? I DON'T THINK YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH THAT. >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> THAT'S IT FOR NOW, THANK YOU. >> MR. GREEN. >> I MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS LATER. GO BACK TO THE RETENTION POND. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT UP, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THIS IS APPROVED? DOES NOT GO TO THE GOLF COURSE OR THE HOA? >> SOMETHING THAT WILL DO WHAT THE HOME FOR NOW. IF THERE IS AGREEMENT WORKED OUT FOR THE GOLF COURSE WANT TO TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE. >> THAT'S MY QUESTION. WHO WILL MAINTAIN? >> RIGHT NOW THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO DO IT. >> WOULD BE CONSIDERED A WET POND? >> YES IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A POND . >> LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE WET. OKAY THAT'S ALL. >> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS? OKAY WE ARE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BEFORE WE DO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? >> JUST PAUSING RIGHT HERE. ATTORNEYS ARE SWORN AND REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TRUTHFUL TESTIMONY TO ANY JUDICIAL BODY SO ALL THE ATTORNEYS TESTIFYING ARE UNDER OATH. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SWEAR IN WHEN THIS IS LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN SWEAR THE MEN AT ONCE. >> FOR THE RECORD I ASK NO ATTORNEYS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS EXPERTS. >> I DID NOT HEAR THAT . REPEAT THAT PLEASE. [01:50:04] >> FOR THE RECORD I WOULD ASK IF ATTORNEYS ARE NOT SWORN IN THEY NOT IDENTIFY AS EXPERTS. ONLY FACT WITNESSES CAN BE EXPERTS. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY WAY WE CAN JUMP TO THE OTHER POWERPOINT PRESENTATION? ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP TO OVERLY LEGALIZE OR COMPLICATE THIS. I THINK YOU CAN QUICKLY FOCUS IN ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT IS WAY BEYOND DEVELOPMENT AND CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU HEARD FROM THE PRESENTATION THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED 50 YEARS AGO. THE LAST FINAL PLAN MAP WAS 1994. WE ARE 30 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE. IS NOT DEVELOPING GOING ON. FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE HERE LOOKING AT MARSH CREEK WOULD WE BELIEVE MARSH CREEK IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT? SAME THING HERE. YET HERE'S THE DEVELOPER COMING IN WITH SOME TECHNICALITY. GREAT QUESTIONS AS TO HOW ARE WE HERE? WHY THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND. KIND OF INTERESTING. LET ME SHOW YOU OTHER PHOTOS AND HOPEFULLY I CAN PRESENT SOME CLEAR PHOTOS THAT SHOW SO YOU CAN GET A PICTURE AND IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU CAN SEE THE ZOOMED IN AERIAL. SOME AREAS IN HERE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE. THOSE ARE THE TEA BOXES FOR THE EIGHTH HOLE. AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN SEE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WETLANDS. AS YOU HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS TIME TO TIME COMING IN HERE OR TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT DRAINAGE AND STORM WATER AND MARSH LANDING, IT'S A KNOWN PROBLEM THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES IN MARSH LANDING. LOOKING UP IN THIS AREA, AGAIN MORE OF THE LOW-LEVEL AREA HOLDING WATER. MY PICTURES BY THE WAY, THESE WERE TAKEN FROM THE COUNTY I MAP SYSTEM OR FROM THE APPRAISER DATABASE. AGAIN WETLANDS AREAS, DIRECTLY ADJACENT BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE HOME. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN WHERE YOU CAN SEE AND IT WILL COME BACK TO THIS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PUD TEXT TO LIMIT WITHOUT CAUSE. IN FACT THEY SAY PUT IT WHERE YOU WANT. IN THE PUD YOU HAVE CONSIDERATIONS. THIS IS THE POLICY PLAN AND IT APPLIES TO MAJOR MODS AS WELL. LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE IF I BLOW IT UP TO YOU CAN READ IT. NOW HERE TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT YEARS, NO YOU SHOULD UNDULY NEGATIVE IMPACT ANOTHER COMPATIBILITY, MAINTAIN CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. COMPATIBILITY WAS RUNNING YEARS, AESTHETIC, NOISE, DRAINAGE, TO ARGOSY. ALL THOSE DIFFERENT FACTORS. COMPATIBILITY. IS NOT COMPATIBLE IT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. MORE ON COMPATIBILITY WHICH GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT THE CRITERIA FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT IT. LET'S LOOK AT THE PUD TEXT NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK. HOW MANY SQUARE-FEET IS THE LOT? HERE IS THE LOT AND THE LOTS AROUND THEM, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER AND THE ONE A 9600 SQUARE-FOOT LOT. IF YOU HAVE 9600 FEET DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED TWO HOMES OF THE LOCATION. NOT JUST ONE. IF YOU APPROVE 9600 TO HAVE A TROJAN HORSE TO COME BACK AND GET MORE? WHEN THIS CAME TO YOU BEFORE IT WAS FOUR. TWO HERE AND TWO ON THE 15TH. THERE PROCESSED APPLICATION FOR A SMALL ADJUSTMENT TO TRY TO GET THE TWO ON THE 15TH, THAT'S STILL PENDING OUTSIDE OF YOUR PURVIEW, BUT THERE IS MORE GOING ON HERE AND POTENTIALLY MORE IN THE FUTURE IF THIS GETS APPROVED BECAUSE IT'S THE BREAKING OF THE DAM POTENTIALLY. SETBACKS ARE SMALL, MINIMUM LOT THEY SAY THIS IN TWO PLACES AND THEN MINIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 65%, THAT'S INTERESTING. THEY CAN PUT A GIANT HOUSE ON THIS. THEY ASKED FOR 65%. LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL LAND-USE IN THE CONFERENCE A PLAN DOESN'T MATTER , CLEARLY THERE WOULD BE [01:55:04] ONE OF THOSE, A AND B HAVE TO FIT IN SOMEWHERE BUT THEY WANT 65% LOT COVERAGE. ACCESSORY USE. WHAT THEY'VE GOT, THEY WANT TO PUT FENCES SO THEY CAN FENCE AROUND THE PARCEL. FOR ACCESSORY USE, THEY CAN PUT A GENERATOR WITH REDUCED SET BACK DOWN 5 FEET. THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST OF ACCESSORY USE. THEY CAN PUT ANYTHING THEY WANT WITHIN 5 FEET OF THE PROPERTY WHICH MEANS THE POND ON THE SITE PLAN THEY COULD PUT THE POND IN THE FRONT YARD, THE GENERATOR IN THE BACK. THERE ARE SO MANY OPTIONS OF WHAT THEY CAN DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THEY APPLY FOR THE APPLICATION. AND FOR STRUCTURE THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING RELATED TO OPEN SPACE. WHEN I PROCESS A MAJOR MODIFICATION WITH THE COUNTY WHICH I RECENTLY DID FOR THE HAPPY ROAD PUD AND YOU WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO GRANT THAT. IN A PUD THAT BEGAN IN 1980, MODIFIED MULTIPLE TIMES , WAS TO TAKE THE TEXT AND REWRITE IT INTO ONE DOCUMENT. TO THEN SHOW WHAT WAS MODIFIED AND HOW OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND RECORDATION REQUIREMENTS WERE MET. THAT'S NOT BEING DONE HERE. QUITE FRIENDLY NOT AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. THE PROJECT IMPACT AND BENEFITS GOING DOWN TO READ WITH EVERTON IT DOES NOT MATCH UP I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS ADDRESSING WHAT'S IN THE CONFERENCE A PLAN FOR CRITERIA REQUIREMENTS. BY THE WAY ONE OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS IS A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WILL FILL THE EXISTING NEED FOR NEW HOUSING IN THIS LOCATION OF PONTEVEDRA IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY . THEY NEED ANOTHER HOUSE. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAIVERS. THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. NOT ONLY OPEN SPACE, THEY HAVE A WAIVER RELATED TO ACTIVE RECREATION BUT THEY HAVE NOT RELATED TO OPEN SPACE RELATED TO REDOING THE PUD TEXT TO SHOW WHAT'S CHANGED AND HOW THIS FITS INTO THE PROJECT. HAVE OVER 1000 UNITS THEY HAVE BUILT. THE WAIVERS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THAT THE APPLICATION DOES NOT COMPLY WITH LDC. FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT THIS , LEGALLY THE COUNTY CAN DENY FOR ANY REASON. THE MAJOR MOD IS REQUESTING A WAIVER WHICH DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE COUNTY CODE SO YOU CAN DENY. IS NO COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND THE BURDEN HAS NOT SHIFTED FROM THE APPLICANT TO THE COUNTY OR FROM THE APPLICANT TO THOSE HERE IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE THEY NEVER THE BURDEN BECAUSE THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH THE CODE. LEGALLY HAVE THE ABILITY. THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO DENY OPEN SPACE REGULAR TEXT THEY'RE NOT EVEN ADDRESSING IT AND IS NOT ADDRESSED ON THE WAIVER. I WILL SKIP THROUGH HERE WITH LIMITED TIME. A COUPLE OF VIEWS. I KNOW THE ELEVATION, HOW DID YOU GET THE SIZE? I TOOK AN EXISTING HOUSE CUT AND PASTED INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT THAT'S LOOSELY WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE ROAD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEAK HOME FROM THE BACKYARD YOU CAN SEE THE POOL AND WHERE THERE COULD BE A HOME. THAT'S ABOUT WHERE IT WOULD BE IF THEY MOVE THE HOUSE. AGAIN THAT HOUSE JUST FLIPPED OVER TURNED AROUND BACKWARDS TO THIS HOUSE. 5 FOOT AND 10 FOOT SETBACK. LOOKING FROM THE GOLF COURSE IT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING TALKING ABOUT 30 YEARS LATER. TAKING AWAY THE GOLF COURSE VIEW. DOES ANYBODY BELIEVE THE DEVELOPER DID NOT SELL THOSE LOTS AT A PREMIUM WITH GOLF COURSE VIEW? THAT CAN BE SHOWN JUST BY THE FACT OF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN THE INDUSTRY. IT'S A GOLF COURSE LOT, HOMES ARE BUILT ON THE GOLF COURSE. AGAIN THIS IS THEIR MAP LOCATION SINGLE-FAMILY HOME APPROXIMATION. THEY CAN MOVE IT AROUND. LOOKING FROM THE PEAK HOME TO THE AREA THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE A HOUSE. THIS IS FROM THE DECK, YOU CAN SEE THE SUMMER KITCHEN HERE. PICTURE ON THE LEFT DOWN TO THE SUMMER KITCHEN AREA. THEN YOU HAVE MATERIAL CHANGE IN THE VIEW OF WHAT THEY LOOK AT IN THE BACKYARD OF THEIR OWN ENTERTAINING. YOU CAN HAVE A HOUSE BACKED UP WITH A POOL IN THE REAR YARD. TRAMPOLINES VERSUS THIS PASSIVE ACTIVITY. YOU CAN SEE THE SPACE IN THE REAR YARD. FUTURE MAJOR MODS. THIS DEVELOPER BEFORE [02:00:01] TRANSFERRING HAS 135 ACRES OF LAND THAT WE COULD FIND EASILY IDENTIFIED IN THE AREA. BECAUSE THE COVENANT SAYS THEY CAN PLOT THAT DOES NOT SAY THEY ARE ALLOWED TO REZONE, THEY CAN PLOT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT, NOW WE ARE 30 YEARS FROM THE FINAL PLAN AND THEY HAVE ALL THE LAND. WE MAY RUN THE RISK. HOW MANY MORE WILL WE HAVE? THE GOLF COURSES ON SOME OF THESE PLOTS. IT HAS THE GOLF COURSE LISTED ON THE PLANTS IN GREELEY PEOPLE BOUGHT IN LINES OF THAT. THAT'S ALL I GOT OTHER THAN A FRONT VIEW OF THE PEAK HOME AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT COULD IMPACT THE FROM VIEW OF THE HOME. WERE THEY TO HAVE A HOUSE BACK DOWN TO THE RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU STATE WHETHER YOU WORK FOR THE CITY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS YOUR REPRESENTING HOMEOWNER WHERE THE HOA. >> HOMEOWNERS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO CLEVER BECAUSE THERE IS AN AGREEMENT WITH HOA, DOES THE HOA HAVE TROUBLES WITH THIS? >> I'VE NOT SEEN ANYTHING RELATED TO THE HOA WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE A PLAYER. I CAN SAY SOME OF THE INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED IS NOT IN THE PACKET TODAY BUT I REPRESENT SPECIFICALLY GENE PEAK AND HIS WIFE AND OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS JAMES WHITE HOUSE, ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP HERE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I AM RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS AN EXPERT LEGALLY IN CITY COUNTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY PRIMARILY AT 333 HAS LIVED IN THE AREA MANY YEARS, MORE SPECIFICALLY AT THEIR HOME WHICH IS ADJACENT AS YOU HEARD HERE IN THIS AREA , THE GOLF COURSE AREA THEY WANT TO PUT A HOUSE. TEE AREA OF NUMBER EIGHT WHICH IS NOW 17. YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL VIEW. MARSHALL ENDING IN THE HEART OF THE MARSH LANDING SUBDIVISION WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED THREE AND HALF DECADES AGO FOR A PLANNED GATED COMMUNITY AS YOU KNOW INCLUDING HOUSING AREAS DESIGNATED A GOLF COURSE BETWEEN CUSTOM HOUSING AREAS AND LOTS OF PRESERVED AREAS. THE PLAN REMAINS TODAY AS APPROVED. THIS IS FROM THE MARSH LANDING WEBSITE, TALK ABOUT MARSH LANDING POSTING PRESERVES UPON THE NATURAL BEAUTY, BRAGGING WE TOOK TIME TO GET IT RIGHT, TO TALK ABOUT HOW MARSH LANDING IS A PREMIER GATED COMMUNITY A COUPLE MILES FROM THE OCEAN AND FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS CONCERN FOR NATURE AND ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN FOR MOST IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF MARSH LANDING. THEY TOOK THEIR TIME AND PRESERVED NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE OAKS, PINES AND PALM TREES THROUGHOUT. THIS IS THE AREA FROM THEIR WEBSITE THAT SHOWS WHERE THIS HOLE IS, IN PARTICULAR WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT A HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE A COMMENT FROM THE ALFRED'S AS PART OF THE RECORD IN THIS IS THE STATEMENT. WHAT'S DISTURBING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IS MR. STOKES IS THE APPLICANT, IT IS SHOCKING THE DEVELOPER WHO DESIGNATED AND PLOTTED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON WHICH I AND MANY OTHER HOMEOWNERS HAVE RELIED NO DECADES LATER SEEK TO DESTROY THOSE IMPORTANT FEATURES TO MAKE A FEW ADDITIONAL DOLLARS ON HIS EXIT FROM THE COMMUNITY. YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MR. MILLER TALK ABOUT HOW WHEN THE HOA AGREED, HE DID NOT TALK A LOT ABOUT HOW THAT HAPPENED. HE SHOWED YOU ONE OF THE PAMPHLETS THAT TALK ABOUT FOUR LOTS. DID NOT SAY WHERE THEY WOULD BE IN THE DISCUSSION WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING FROM MANY PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED LETTERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE PACKET TODAY. THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, THEY WERE TOLD THE GOLF COURSE WOULD BE PLOWED UNDER IF THEY DID NOT AGREE THAT THE DRIVING RANGE WOULD BE PLOWED UNDER THAT'S HOW THEY GOT 92% TO AGREE TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SOME LOTS IN HERE WHEN YOU HAVE A VOTE. IN ANY CASE YOU CAN SEE [02:05:02] HOW THIS LOT ITSELF, THE PARCEL WAS TRANSFERRED FROM ML PARTNERSHIP TO FROM KINGFISHER DRIVE. THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE HOUSE OVER HERE. HERE IS A , I DON'T KNOW, WILL IT PLAY? MAYBE IT WON'T COME ANYWAY THIS WAS A VIDEO I SHOWED LAST TIME. THE OVERHEAD IS ON THEIR WEBSITE WHICH SHOWS A FLYOVER OF THE BEGINNING OF THE TEE. IN ANY CASE AS I SAID THEY WANT TO PLACE A HOUSE AND NEVER ENVISIONED AREA FOR HOUSING UNTIL AUGUST AREA FOR HOUSING UNTIL AUGUST 2023 WHEN MR. STOKES TRANSFERRED LAND TO HIMSELF OR HIS COMPANY . THE FAMILY HAS MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION RELATED TO THE SUGGESTED DEVELOPMENT ON KINGFISHER DRIVE, CONCERNS RISE TO THE LEVEL OF OPPOSITION TO THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THIS LONG-ESTABLISHED PUD. THIS AREA WAS NEVER ENVISIONED IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN UNTIL NOW WITH MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE DECADE-OLD PUD CONTAINING CHANGES THAT WOULD MATERIALLY CHANGE THE COMMUNITY AND USES THAT ARE INCONSISTENT AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THERE ARE MANY LONG-TERM RESIDENTS IN THE BEAUTIFUL AREA OPPOSED TO THE SUGGESTION AND WOULD DEVASTATE AREAS IN THE PUD THAT FOR DECADES STOOD AS PRESERVED AREAS AND GOLF COURSE AREAS . AGAIN THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHERE IT IS, THE RED AREA IS THE AREA THEY WANT TO MAKE FOR HOUSE, THE GREEN AREA , THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINING RESIDENTS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FAMILY LIVES RIGHT HERE. THEY DO LOOK OUT , HE SHOWED YOU ANGLES FROM HERE WE LOOK AT THE VEGETATION, THIS , HE TALKED ABOUT THIS LOT BEING TRANSFERRED, IT WAS TRANSFERRED BECAUSE IT WAS ALL WET AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY MEDICATION TO DEVELOP. THIS IS FROM THE INITIAL PLAN AS YOU SAW AND THEY DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WILL DO TO THE WETLAND AREA, THERE IS NO PRESERVATION. SOME STATEMENTS FROM THE LETTER THAT IS IN THE RECORD FROM MR. ALFORD AND HIS FAMILY TALKING ABOUT FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE ON THIS CORNER AND THE FLOODS AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL ONLY ADD TO THE PROBLEM THEREFORE THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS AND THEY LIKE TO SEE MORE SENSIBLE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. HERE'S THE NEW PLAN COMPARED TO THE OLD PLAN. THE LOCATION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION, THEY CAN MOVE ANYWHERE IN HERE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TEXT CLOSER, THEY TALK ABOUT MAJOR CHANGES BUT THESE ARE NEARLY STATED AS INTEND. THAT TALK ABOUT CONTROLLING STORM WATER, YET THEY SAY MAY INCLUDE THESE THINGS AND IT WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION. IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO, THEN THEY DECIDE NOT TO. THEY ALSO LIST UNDER DRAINAGE THE LOT OWNERS SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR RETENTION OF STORM WATER UNLESS THE AREA WHERE MANAGEMENT EXISTS IS DEEMED AND OTHERWISE CONTAINED TO THE OWNERS ASSOCIATION. THAT'S WE GET TO THE POINT MAKING IT SMALL OR TRANSFERRING TO THE ASSOCIATION. THEN THEY DON'T WANT TO DO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FROM THE OWN LANGUAGE THEY SUBMITTED AND THEY ALSO SUBMIT ON NUMBER SIX MAXIMUM ISR , SHOULD BE 70%? 70% IS MORE THAN COMMERCIAL ALLOWS IN THE AREA. MOST AREAS IN PONTEVEDRA ARE 40% RESIDENTIAL. MARSH LANDING GOLF COURSE ON KINGFISHER DRIVE WILL REMOVE BUFFERING, WILL DIMINISH OR ELIMINATE VIEWS, ADD TO FUNDING PROBLEMS AND ALTERED THE PUD, WHY SHOULD THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS WITH SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS SUFFERED THIS PLAN THAT WAS INSTITUTED AND MAINTAINED OVER 3 1/2 DECADES TO REDO THE PLAN AND PLOW UNDER THE GOLF COURSE ON LAND NEVER INTENDED FOR HOMES. TO CODE 50305 WITH MAJOR MEDICATIONS HANDLED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL . FOR THE PUD UNDER CODE ALL REQUESTS SHOWN COULD COPY OF VIRGINAL PUD DOCUMENTS. I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME THEY'RE STILL NOT IN THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL PUD DOCUMENTS. SUPPOSED TO HAVE LOCATION AND DRAWING INDICATING PORTIONS TO BE REVISED TO THE ENTIRE DISTRICT YOU DON'T HAVE THE. MR. MILLER SAYS THERE'S A BUNCH OF INCREMENTAL MAPS. YOU CAN SHOW THOSE SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OTHER AREAS. ALL THE OTHER AREAS WITHIN THIS PUD AND THE CODE [02:10:05] SAYS SUCH INFORMATION CONCERNING THE LOT AND OTHER INFORMATION MAY BE ESSENTIAL FOR DETERMINING WHETHER PROVISION OF THE DISTRICT IS BEING OBSERVED. ANOTHER, ANSWER PLAN, TALKS ABOUT REZONING ÚCON SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND STRENUOUS, PREFERRING TO SENSITIVITY TO PROPOSALS MAINTAINING THE CARE , MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS . REZONING REQUEST MAY BE APPROVED ONLY UPON DETERMINATION APPLICATION EVIDENCE PRESENTED ESTABLISHES ALL THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH CONFORMING LAND USE LOCATED ON THE ADJACENT OPERATIVE. ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL FAMILIES HAVE A GENUINE AND REASONABLE MATERIAL OBJECTION TO THE MAJOR MODIFICATION. MAJOR CHANGES ARE INCONSISTENT AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREAS. WE ASK YOU SINCERELY CONSIDER THESE REASONABLE FACT-BASED CONCERNS AND RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THESE REQUESTED MAJOR CHANGES TO THIS PUD. THANK YOU, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF NEEDED. >> ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION. I WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD MR. WHITE HOUSE IS BOARD-CERTIFIED STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. THAT MAKES HIM AN EXPERT IN THE LAW. IS ALSO AN ADVOCATE REPRESENTING CLIENTS. ALL ATTORNEYS HAVE A DUTY TO PROVIDE TRUTHFUL TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD AND SO, I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY GREATER EMPHASIS OR IMPACT ON ANY TESTIMONY HE MAY PROVIDE OR FAX HE MAY PROVIDE BECAUSE HE IS A LEGAL EXPERT. HE IS CERTAINLY A LEGAL EXPERT BUT ALL THE ATTORNEYS HAVE A DUTY TO PROVIDE TRUTHFUL TESTIMONY TO YOU AND SO YOU HAVE ULTIMATELY, YOU HAVE THE DECISION TO DECIDE WHEN SOMEBODY IS AN EXPERT OR NOT AND THAT DUTY LIES WITH YOU AS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU. CAN WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT? SHOULD WE DO REBUTTAL FIRST? >> MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE YOU CAN LINE UP AT THE TWO OTHER PODIUMS AND WILL TAKE TURNS TALKING GO AHEAD STATE YOUR PNEUMONITIS FOR THE RECORD. >> A SIMILAR TACTIC THE SAME DEVELOPER DID FORCING THE GOLF COURSE OUT OF MADEIRA. THIS GENTLEMAN IS A LARGE DEVELOPER, THE PUD HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME. IF WE DO THIS WE SET PRECEDENTS TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN AREAS WE NEED TO NOT SET A PRECEDENT FOR HIM TO REZONE OTHER AREAS HE HAS LEFT. THERE ARE 130 ACRES WHICH SEEMS HEAVY. I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE FACTS THAT THESE PEOPLE DID POTENTIALLY BUY PREMIUM PROPERTY KNOWING WHERE IT WAS AND WHAT IT WAS AND HAVE A LARGE-SCALE HOME BUILT IN THE AREA TOUR THEY NEED TO DIG A DRAINAGE TO OFFSET WATER MITIGATION , THERE IS OBVIOUSLY WAYS TO BUILD IN A COMPATIBLE WAY TO YOUR AREA. IF YOU NEED TO BUILD STORM WATER RETENTION POND FOR WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO, THAT IS EXCESSIVE FOR ONE SINGLE PROPERTY INSIDE OF A WELL-ESTABLISHED PUD WHERE PEOPLE ARE FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM WEALTHY. WHY WOULD WE IMPACT A VERY WELL KNOWN COMMUNITY TO SET PRECEDENTS BECAUSE THE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR DISASTER. THAT AREA PRONE TAKING TIDES. WATER MITIGATION , WHAT IT IS NOW, IF YOU START TAMPERING WITH THAT, NO TELLING WHAT DAMAGE IT WILL DO TO THE HOMES AND PROPERTY VALUE. YOU BETTER BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE ARE SAFEGUARDING PROPERTY VALUE AS WELL SO TO LET THE PROPERTY BE BUILT AT THE BACK DOOR. AND WITH ALL THE DATA AND ALL THE PROOF THESE LAWYERS THAT CAME TO PRESENT , ALL OF THAT WAS FACTUAL AND I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME GENTLEMAN WHO ARE HELPING TO DO THIS TO OTHER AREAS SO THEY'RE WILLING TO STEP UP PLEASE CONSIDER THE FACT. THANK YOU. >> THIS, IT'S GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT. WE ARE A GOLF COURSE EVERYWHERE, TO THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL [02:15:03] THAT WE JUST BOUGHT $5.8 MILLION OF PGA WORLD GOLF VILLAGE BECAUSE OF A FEELING COMMUNITY. ARE GOING TO CONVERT ALL OF OUR GOLF COURSES TO HOMES ? THERE IS ALL OVER THIS AND I HOPE YOU ALL VOTE NO. THANK YOU. >> AFTERNOON, 105 CLUB FOREST. I DID NOT COME HERE TO SPEAK, BUT LISTENING, I HAVE TO. 92% OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT VOTED , I DID VOTE TO DO THIS. WHAT HE LEFT OUT IS THAT THERE WAS A GUN TO OUR HEADS AND THE DEVELOPER SUGGESTED THAT THE DRIVING RANGE, WHICH IS HUGE THAT HAD GONE UNDER ALONG WITH THE CLUBHOUSE AND A LOT OF THE OTHER PLACES , THE MONEY WAS NOT SPENT COME THE CLUBHOUSE WAS NOT SPENT AND IT WAS A DREAM THAT CONCERT GOLF OUT THE RECREATIONAL AREA. THE DEVELOPER SAYS IF THE HOMEOWNERS DON'T VOTE FOR THIS IN A HIGH NUMBER AND HE WILL BUILD MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS ON THE DRIVING RANGE. SO THE 92% IS A NUMBER THAT I WISH HE EXPLAINED WHY 92% OF US INCLUDING ME VOTING FOR CONCERT TO COME IN AND PAY HIM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THESE LOTS. IT WAS NOT EXPLAIN CAREFULLY WHERE THE LOTS WOULD BE, IT WAS DEFINITELY NOT EXPLAINED IT WILL BE A DOUBLE LOT TAKING OUT ONE OF TWO SIGNATURE HOLES ON THE GOLF COURSE AND I DID NOT COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THE COUNTY SHOULD WORRY ABOUT MARSH LANDINGS GOLF COURSE. I HAVE BUILT IN THERE 35 YEARS AGO AND I BOUGHT THE LOT I BUILT ON 35 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT'S ON THE NUMBER ONE TEE. AND WE SPENT A YEAR WITH THE DEVELOPER 35 YEARS AGO LOOKING DOWN THE FIRST FAIRWAY SO IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL, UNOBSTRUCTED AND NEVER CHANGED. SINCE I MOVED IN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, I ONLY CAME HERE TODAY BECAUSE I FELT SO BAD FOR THE PEOPLE BECAUSE I FELT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT THE 17TH HOLE. THAT IS A SIGNATURE PAR FIVE AND MAKE IT A PAR FOUR AND BUILD A MONSTROUS HOUSE THERE. I THOUGHT ABOUT ME 35 YEARS AGO AND I WOULD'VE WANTED SOMEBODY TO SPEAK FOR ME. THE VIEW IS GOING TO BE RUINED. AT LEAST THEY WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY BOUGHT THE LOTS WHAT THEY WERE BUILT FOR. RUNNING OUT OF TIME ALSO I SAT IN THE MEETINGS IN THE 90S WITH THIS DEVELOPER WHERE THEY SAID WHIRLWIND COURT CANNOT BE BUILT. I ENDED UP LIVING THERE FOR YOU WHILE AFTER THEY DID BUILD. FOUNTAIN FORCE CANNOT BE BUILT BECAUSE IT WAS STAMP LOT SO WE DID NOT LOOK AT BUYING THEM. NOW THERE ARE ALL OF THESE HUGE HOMES THAT KEEP POPPING UP IN MARSH LANDING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> WERE SQUARED OFF TO MAKE IT A MINOR MODIFICATION. I WISH WE WOULD HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT TODAY. BECAUSE DOUG WOULD HAVE SPOKEN ON MY BEHALF. I JUST WANT TO SECOND WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID, 92% APPROVAL , IT WAS DID NOT BUILD THE TOWNHOMES ON THE DRIVING RANGE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TOLD WAS GOING TO HAPPEN SO THAT'S WHAT WE VOTED FOR, 92% NOT TO BUILD THERE. THE FOUR LOTS WERE NEVER APPROVED BY US AND MASTER ASSOCIATION APPROVED IT, IT WAS NOT THE RESIDENT. MR. HILSENBECK YOU SAY THERE ARE LOTS IN PLOTTED AREAS AND THAT PLOTTED AREA FOR MARSH LANDING. MY WIFE IS A GIS EXPERT AND SHE MAPPED OUT TONS OF AREAS WHERE STOKES COULD HAVE POTENTIAL PLOTS AND RESIDENCES , SEND THEM TO THEM AND THE HOA WHICH WENT BY THE WAYSIDE. HE JUST WANTS THESE LOTS ON THE GOLF [02:20:03] COURSE. SO ESSENTIALLY I AM ADJACENT TO THE LINK SIDE PROJECT. YOU TAKE MY PROPERTY VALUE OUT OF MY POCKET WHICH THIS WAS A DREAM HOME FOR ME ON MY WIFE AND YOU'RE GIVING IT TO HIM. ADDITIONALLY, THE LINK SIDE PROJECT JUST AS OTHER PROJECTS THERE'S PROPOSED RETENTION PONDS , THAT WOULD BE FUTURE HOMEOWNER MAINTENANCE. TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT. THE ADJACENT AREA NEXT TO MINE ASK IS A MAKESHIFT FLOODING AREA WHEN CABBAGE CREEK OVERFLOWS INTO THE AREA. IT ACCEPTS ALL THAT STORMWATER. CONFERENCE OF PLANS , THERE'S NO COMPATIBILITY HERE AT ALL FOR THESE BUDS. I WAS TOLD THAT , IN RECENT EMAILS , IT WAS SAID THAT THIS PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR LINK SIDE TO GO TO TWO RESIDENTIAL HOMES. HOW CAN THAT BE? IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE GUEST HOMES. YOUR SQUEEZING IN TWO HOMES INTO THE AREA. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THIS DEVELOPER IS GETTING THROUGH WITH ALL OF THIS. I HOPE YOU VOTE NO. >> ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? OKAY MR. MILLER. >> IF I CAN HAVE MY SLIDE PRESENTATION BACK UP. JUST TO REITERATE THE ACTUAL LOCATION WAS SHOWN TO THE HOMEOWNERS , THIS IS THE FLYER THAT WENT AROUND. FOUR LOTS THE NUMBER EIGHT WHICH IS NOW NUMBER 17 AND ON 15 THIS WASN'T A MYSTERY TO ANYBODY FOR THE HOA. THIS IS A LOCATION. ON COMPATIBILITY I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HAD TO JUSTIFY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES INCOMPATIBLE WITH SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. AS FAR AS THE EXPECTATIONS OF WHERE THE PROPERTY WILL BE. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PLOT PEAK RESIDENCE. LEFT SIDE IS THE NORTHERN AREA THAT IS ON PLOTTED, THIS DOES NOT DESCRIBE THE GOLF COURSE AT ALL. THESE ARE THE RESTRICTIONS FROM ASSOCIATION SEVEN , THIS IS WHAT GAVE THE ABILITY TO CONVERT TO THE TRACKS TO THE LOTS, SAME THING AS THE PROPERTY. AGAIN THIS IS APPROXIMATION FOR WHEN THE HOME IS LOCATED. COMMITTED TO THE SITE PLAN MORE THAN 20 FEET IN A DIRECTION. MOST OF THE SITES WE SHARE ARE RELEVANT THAT'S 250 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY IT'S INTERESTING MR. BURNETT POINTED OUT THE VIEW FROM THE HOLE. HE CROP THAT YOU COULD NOT SEE THE HOME IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR. THIS IS FROM THE PROPERTY GOING ACROSS LOT NINE AWAY. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM OUR PROPERTY LOOKING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE TO SAY IT WILL IMPACT THE VIEW , THIS IS FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS . A COUPLE OF POINTS I KEEP REITERATING, WE WILL MAKE THE LOT BIGGER BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT JUST CHANGES , AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE 90% OF THE PROPERTY IS OPEN SPACE , THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS THE SAME THING. WILL MAKE THE LOT BIGGER BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE. AS FAR AS OTHER PROPERTIES EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH LINK SIDE A VERY INTERESTING SITUATION WITH THE [02:25:01] FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CALLING FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY. THAT'S WHY IT'S PROCESSED AS A SMALL ADJUSTMENT. QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POND YES WE HAVE TO BUILD THE POND. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> MR. MATOVINA. >> WILL THE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS HOUSE ON THIS LOT, WILL THE DEVELOPER BE EXEMPT FROM ARP APPROVAL FROM THE HOA? SO WHATEVER FENCE THEY WANT TO PUT UP, WHATEVER SWIMMING POOL ALL OF THAT IS IN THE CONTROL OF THE ASSOCIATION? >> I CAN CHECK THE MASTER ASSOCIATION THAT I KNOW THE SUB ASSOCIATION AND . >> I THINK THE CONDITION YOU HAVE SUGGESTED IS FINE. A LITTLE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LOT SIZE , YOU HAVE INDICATED WE ASKED FOR A BIGGER LOT SIZE ARE OKAY WITH THAT. >> THE LOT IF IT HAS TO BE AVERAGING ABOUT 30,000 FT.÷, THAT'S FINE. IT DOES NOT REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH A HALF-ACRE. >> DR. HILSENBECK. >> PLEASE GO BACK ABOUT SIX SLIDES OR SO WHERE YOU HAD THAT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO READ THAT. >> THIS IS FOR ASSOCIATION SIX FOR THE PROPERTY BUT IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE OR PARTIALLY PLAT ANY LOT OR COMBINATION OF LOT. IS THE GOLF COURSE A LOT OR TRACK? >> IT IS A TRACT. IT IS LABELED COME I BELIEVE IT'S EITHER TRACT YOU OR B . >> OKAY AND THE OTHER SAID BASICALLY THE SAME THING. THE ONE BEHIND THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> MISS SPIEGEL. >> WELL, I THINK MY ONLY COMMENT ON THIS, SO ADVERSARIAL. I AM TRYING TO FIND PUBLIC GOOD IN THIS, TRYING TO FIND A BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. TRYING TO FIND A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN COMMUNICATE AND CAN MAKE THIS WORK IN A WAY THAT'S BENEFICIAL FOR ALL PARTIES . I DON'T SEE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION, IT SEEMS LIKE PUSH PUSH PUSH. >> ON THAT POINT OR THE CHAIR, I EMAILED BOTH MR. WHITEHOUSE AND MR. BURNETT ASKING IF THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS AND I CALLED MR. BURNETT. HE WROTE BACK HE WOULD TALK WITH THE CLIENT AND I NEVER HEARD FROM THEM. I FOLLOWED UP WITH THE SECOND EMAIL AND NEVER HEARD BACK. I HAVE WALKED THE PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES. I WAS NOT CLEAR ON WHO MR. BURNETT REPRESENTS. NEIGHBORS CAME TO ME AND SAID WE HAVE TALKED WITH MR. BURNETT. I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ENGAGE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY AN ATTORNEY. >> AGAIN ADVERSARIAL WITH NO CAN MEDICATION. I AM ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY AND COMMUNICATION AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK. THAT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE IT IS DEMANDING MY OWN WAY AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH SIDES ARE SAYING HERE. SO I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME WANTING TO PROVE THIS AND I'M SORRY. I THINK THERE WAS A DECISION MADE BY MR. STOKES AT ONE POINT TO HELP OUT WITH THE FEELING GOLF COURSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND NOW MAYBE IS TRYING TO RECOUP SOME OF THAT. WHAT HE PUT OUT THERE. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS ABLE TO DO THAT, TO GET BACK. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MAKE A GRACIOUS GESTURE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS. JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN. THANK YOU. >> SO, MR. BURNETT AND MR. WHITEHOUSE SHOWED A LOT OF SLIDES ON COMPATIBILITY, INCOMPATIBILITY, SUCH AS COMP PLAN POLICY . HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR IS COMPATIBLE? >> SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY. COMPATIBILITY GUIDELINES DO WITH INCOMPATIBLE USE. IT'S THE SAME USE. >> UNDERSTAND SAME USE, BUT IT'S ON A GOLF COURSE THAT PEOPLE FOR 30 YEARS HAVE RELIED ON. WHEN YOU REVIEW THE [02:30:06] COMPATIBILITY POLICY THERE'S A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM TO SAY THIS COULD BE INCOMPATIBLE. IN MY OPINION. I USUALLY GO WHEN I LOOK AT INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT LIVE THERE IN THE AREA RATHER THAN A NEW CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT. SO I DON'T THINK THE HOMEOWNERS WERE THERE HAVE THE PROPERTY RIGHTS. THIS SEEMS TO ME LIKE A VIOLATION OF THOSE RIGHTS POTENTIALLY DIMINISHING THEIR PROPERTY VALUES. SO HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? >> AGAIN I SEE NO EVIDENCE , THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNED 66 LOTS BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE AS FAR AS PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THIS PROPERTY WITH RESTRICTION I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY IMPACT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. >> OKAY, APPRECIATE IT. >> I WAS JUST INFORMED BY LEGAL COUNCIL THAT IF THERE'S INTEREST IN COMMUNICATION AND EVERYBODY IS NOT JUST DIGGING INTO THE POSITION THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK OR CHANGE, THERE IS POSSIBILITY WE HAVE A CONFERENCE ROOM WITH A LONG AGENDA COMING UP ALL THE PARTIES ARE HERE AND MIGHT CONSIDER. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WOULD BE INTERESTED. GO TALK AND SEE IF THERE IS MEETING OF MINDS AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED. >> THIS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MOTIVATION OF SOMEBODY BUYING A GOLF COURSE FRONT HOME AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PERSPECTIVE. WE GOING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MY NECK THE GOLF COURSE FOR LOTS, LOOK HOW MANY GOLF COURSES ARE IN THE COMMUNITY. GOING TO BE MINING GOLF COURSES FOR LOTS? >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. >> IS GOING TO ASK DOUG BURNETT A QUESTION, SINCE YOU ARE STANDING UP THERE. HOW WOULD YOU FURTHER JUSTIFY THAT THIS IS INCOMPATIBLE USE? WE HEARD MR. MILLER'S ANSWER, HOW WOULD YOU SAY? >> IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE CRITERIA LISTED, TAKE THE NOISE. YOU HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT AT A CERTAIN POINT AND TIME EVERYDAY GOLF COURSES ARE DONE. EVERYBODY GOES HOME. BECAUSE THE CLUB IS CLOSED, NO ONE IS GOLFING. HAVE NICE PEACEFUL BACKYARD. IF YOU PUT A HOUSE THERE THERE IS A POTENTIAL AND LOOK I'VE GOT FOUR KIDS. THEY ARE GROWN NOW BUT I HAVE FOUR KIDS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR A POOL IN THE BACKYARD WITH A BUNCH OF KIDS, PULL PARTY AND EVERY THING ELSE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE OWNERS ON THE GOLF COURSE SIGNED UP FOR, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY PURCHASED. THAT CREATES INCOMPATIBILITY. A GENERATOR, THE WAY THEY DRAFTED THE APPLICATION, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT ARE IN THERE. ALSO A SCENIC ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE LIKE AND BY THE WAY THEY PLANNED ON THIS BEING DEVELOPMENT THEY WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMANENT. THE DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THIS IS LIKE THIS HAS BEEN TRUCKING ALONG. NOW THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO MODIFY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BETTER IN THIS AREA OR THAT AREA WITH A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF ROAD OR CHANGE SOMETHING. WE ARE BEYOND THAT. THIS IS NOT CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY SEEING NONE BACK TO THE AGENCY FROM OCEAN. >> MR. MATOVINA YOU ARE IT. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MUD 2023 -03 BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT ON THE STAFFING REPORT ADDING TWO CONDITIONS. ONE THAT THE HOUSE NOT BE MOVED MORE THAN 20 FEET FROM THE LOCATION PRESENTED AND NUMBER TWO THAT THE MINIMUM SIZE OF THE LOT BE RAISED TO ONE HALF OF AN ACRE. >> IS THERE A SECOND? [02:35:06] >> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION TO GET IT ON THE FLOOR. >> ALL RIGHT ANY DISCUSSION? MR. MATOVINA. >> IT IS NOT I BELIEVE OUR PURVIEW TO DEAL WITH QUESTIONS OF RESTRICTIONS OR BOUNDARY ISSUES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. >> THE APPLICANT AND ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME IN CAN PROVIDE TESTIMONY THAT THEIR COVENANT AND RESTRICTIONS THAT MAY RESTRICT. IT IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO USE THAT AS EVIDENCE AS TO WHAT THE INTENT WAS WHEN THINGS WERE BUILT, WHEN THINGS WERE COMPATIBLE BUT IT IS NOT BINDING UPON YOU AND OUR STAFF DOES NOT DO ANY LEGAL RESEARCH OR CERTIFIED ANY LEGAL POSITION ON WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ARE STILL ENFORCEABLE OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. NOT SUGGESTING THEY AREN'T, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS TO HAVE THAT BE BINDING ON THIS BOARD SO IT'S NOT. IT CAN BE SOMETHING YOU'RE TAKEN AS EVIDENCE THAT EXISTS AND MAYBE THAT HAS INTENTIONS WHEN IT WAS BUILT, BUT IT IS NOT BINDING UPON YOU AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. IT CAN BE THE REASON TO DENY OR APPROVE, BUT IT'S NOT BINDING. >> YOU KNOW IF WE DONE THIS DOWN AND SAY IT IS JUST A BOUNDARY DISPUTE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. SO I HAVE MADE A MOTION TO THIS BECAUSE A, THERE IS ENOUGH DENSITY IN THE PUD TO ACCOMMODATE THE LOT AND B IT SEEMS TO ME THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE PUD IN TERMS OF RECREATION SUGGESTS THERE'S ENOUGH RECREATION. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY MOTION AND BY I THINK THE APPLICANT IS ENTITLED TO APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU. DR. HILSENBECK. >> I AM PRETTY MUCH COMPLETELY BAFFLED BY THE WHOLE ITEM. I HAVE READ IT OVER AND LISTENED CAREFULLY TWICE NOW. I AM JUST, IN THE FIVE YEARS I HAVE BEEN SITTING UP HERE WE HAVE NEVER HAD AN ITEM QUITE LIKE THIS. THIS IS , I LOOK AT THE INCOMPATIBILITY POLICY AND I LISTEN TO BOTH EXPLANATIONS, I HAVE READ THAT OVER AT LEAST 100 TIMES. I FIND THAT OF ALL THE LISTED REASONS SOMETHING CAN BE INCOMPATIBLE, THAT THIS IS INDEED INCOMPATIBLE. I CANNOT SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AS FAR AS INCOMPATIBILITY, I AGREE IT IS SINGLE-FAMILY UP AGAINST SINGLE-FAMILY. GOLF COURSES ARE REDEVELOPED ALL THE TIME AND IF THEY PUT MULTIFAMILY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT IT IS NOT AN ARGUMENT INAUDIBLE ] AND THE INTENSITY OF THE DENSITY WILL BE AN ISSUE. IN THIS CASE PUTTING ONE SINGLE-FAMILY ON A MASSIVE LOT WHERE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS FOUR. MR. MILLER THANK YOU FOR [6. REZ 2023-23 Osceola Lakes (WF Housing). Request to rezone approximately 145 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) and Planned Unit Development (PUD) to Workforce Housing (WH) to allow for a maximum 640 single-family, duplex and townhouse dwelling units; specifically located south of Wildwood Drive and north of Watson Road.] DOING IT WAY BETTER PRESENTATION THAN ORIGINALLY PRESENTED. IT CLARIFIED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I LIKE THE NEW SITE PLAN, YOU GIVE US SOME CERTAINTY WITH 20 FOOT, MOVING THAT EITHER DIRECTION SO I APPRECIATE THAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID WE WILL MOVE TO REGISTER THE VOTE. >>> HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START THIS MEETING BACK UP IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND TAKING YOUR SEATS. [02:40:08] OKAY. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, AGENCY MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE ANY EXPARTE ? >> I DO HAVE SOME EXPARTE. I WENT ON THE SITE LAST FRIDAY WITH RICHARDSON. WANTED TO LOOK AT IT, WE HAD A 1 1/2 HOUR TOUR OF THE PROPERTY ARRANGED SO I DID SPEAK WITH HER, I SPOKE WITH HER COUPLE DAYS AGO ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND I SPOKE WITH JEFF YOUNG WHO LIVES ON THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN, HELD IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. SO I HAVE SEEN THOSE, AS WELL. THAT IS IT. >> I HAVE KIND OF A LONG ONE, I APOLOGIZE. I HAD A MEETING WITH DECEMBER 13. AND AN EMAIL FROM COMMUNITY LEADERS IN THE AREA FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THEY GRACIOUSLY OFFERED. I HAD ATTENDED THE MEETING ON JANUARY 8. ON JANUARY 10 I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH ABOUT THE PROJECT NOT BEING PUSHED FORWARD AT THAT TIME, ON JULY 19 AND JULY 30 I HAD PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH I HAD A SITE VISIT WITH HOUR WITH MR. JEFF YOUNG ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. CONVERSATIONS AND TEXT WITH SEVERAL NEIGHBORS. DISAGREE ABOUT HOUSING AND THE TRAFFIC AND DETAILS , NOT DETAILS OF THE PLANT BUT GENERALLY LISTENING TO THEM. MANY EMAILS , I THINK ABOUT EVEN OPPOSING AND IN FAVOR. I WENT TO CORONADO , TO DENISE JONES YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY MEETING AT CORONADO THE HOA ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY. WE DID A LITTLE VISIT OF THE IRRIGATION ISSUES OF THEIR ISSUES WITH THE RETAINING WALLS AND OTHER THINGS NEEDED TO BE FIXED. I MET WITH KATHY FREDERICK, RANDY JONES ON THE HOA AND OTHER RESIDENTS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND I ALSO HAD EMAIL CONVERSATIONS WITH THREE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS REGARDING THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MANAGER I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PRETTY NICE TOUR WITH PLANS WITH ME AND ANSWERED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY MR. GREEN. >> YES, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH, RANDY JONES AND ALSO I WALKED SOME OF THE SITE. >> I SPOKE WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH ON TUESDAY AND PREVIOUSLY SPOKE WITH MR. MATOVINA BRIEFLY THE PREVIOUS WEEK BEFORE THAT. >> THANK YOU MANAGER AND BOARD MEMBERS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH, ADDRESS ] BEFORE WE GET GOING ON OUR PRESENTATION. I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS, FORMALITIES. THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS APPLICATION. SO YOU HAVING STEP REPORTING INFORMATION, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ON TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND AVAILABILITY LETTERS FOR WATER AND SEWER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHEN WE GIVE OUR PRESENTATION WE ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE THESE DOCUMENTS WE HAVE PASSED OUT TO YOU, WE HAVE GIVEN IT TO THE CLERK, A COPY OF PLANNING STAFF AND A COPY TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SO WE WILL WALK THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS. IN THE EVENT YOU NEED TO SEE THINGS MORE CLEARLY LIKE WATER AND SEWER AVAILABILITY LETTERS THERE IS CONCURRENCY AND IMPACT FEE CREDIT AGREEMENT WHICH IS STILL UNDER REVIEW BY STAFF. THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS IF WE NEED TO. THERE JUST HARD COPIES OF WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION. I WANT TO POINT OUT TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC I DO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE FOR AND AGAINST. I'M GOING TO ASK PEOPLE TO PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR PRESENTATION. LIKE I SAID IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. WE HAVE LISTEN TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING FROM A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. WE HAVE MADE CHANGES. THERE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA AND WE WILL PROVIDE , FOR SALE WORK FORCE HOUSING. I [02:45:06] WANT TO SAY UP FRONT THIS IS NOT HUD HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH IS VITALLY NEEDED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LET'S GO FORWARD AND WE WILL GIVE THE PRESENTATION AND TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS AS WE GO ALONG. JUST TO KICK OFF WITH THE TEAM AND PROPERTY OWNERS , OSCEOLA LAKES, JEFF YOUNG AND ANOTHER OWNER LISTED IN THE APPLICATION. TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE TEAM SQUEEZED INTO THIS WE HAD TO CUT THAT DETAIL. OUR ENGINEERS , WILLIAMS IS HERE, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER , TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS , ENVIRONMENTAL RICHARDSON SOIL AND BYRON PEACOCK. PROJECT LEADER IS MATTER OF COURSE I WANT TO POINT OUT MR. MATOVINA IS A MEMBER , WE WILL NOTE HE IS NOT SITTING ON THE DAIS, LEGALLY HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THE PROJECT THAT HE IS ALLOWED TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD. HE CANNOT VOTE. HE CANNOT HAVE ANY CONVERSATION , BUT IT IS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE FOR HIM AS A PROJECT IN A TO PRESENT TO YOUR BOARD JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION. SO STARTING OFF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY , THE LONG SKINNY FRONT STRETCHING FROM THE WESTERN EXTENT OF LOST IN ROAD TO THE SOUTH , TO THE NORTH ALL THE WAY UP IN TOUCHING WILDWOOD IN TWO FACES. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS AREA. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY IS WHAT'S CALLED RESIDENTIAL B. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY OF IT HAS FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR RESIDENTIAL USES. IT IS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR LAND-USE CHANGE. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE ADDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY. IT IS ALREADY LOCATED THERE SO IT HAS BEEN SLATED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR A LONG TIME. THERE ARE TWO ZONING CATEGORIES FOR THE PROPERTY. OPEN WORLD AND PUD. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, THAT IS IN WHAT'S CALLED RANCHO DELMAR PUD. THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THIS RANCHO DELMAR PUD WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL PUD, FOR MANY YEARS. SO WE ARE ASKING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. LIKE I SAID WORKFORCE HOUSING IS A STANDALONE ZONING DISTRICT AND WORKFORCE HOUSING HAS A NUMBER OF PARAMETERS TO IT. ONE OF WHICH IS 30% OF UNITS DEVELOPED HAVE TO BE FOR PEOPLE OR FOR SALE PRODUCT IF WE TALK ABOUT FOR SALE PRODUCT NOT FOR RENT. AND A MAXIMUM SALE PRICE FOR THIS 2024-25 FISCAL YEAR OF $267,000. SO IT CAN BE AFFORDABLE TO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE AREA, WHO ARE FIREFIGHTERS, WHO ARE TEACHERS, WHO WORK AT FLAGLER HOSPITAL, WHO WORK HERE. THAT'S THE GOAL AND THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT'S THE MAXIMUM SALE PRICE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR WE ARE SITTING IN NOW JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO AGAIN WE ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE FROM OR AND PUD TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE PROPERTY HAS 145.2 ACRES INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 46 1/2 ACRES OF WETLANDS. THIS IS PART OF THE CHANGE AND THE UPDATE FROM STAFF REPORT, THE SITE PLAN YOU HAVE THAT WILL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE THAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE, WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT ON 11 X 17 BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO SEE. THIS IS THE REVISED PLAN FROM WHAT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT BECAUSE WE GOT INFORMATION BACK FROM ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERTS THAT THEY UPDATED THE WETLAND INFORMATION. SO THERE ARE 12 ACRES OF WETLAND IMPACT WITH A TOTAL OF 110.6 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT AREA. AGAIN THIS IS A FOR SALE PRODUCT PASSING FOR MAXIMUM OF 640 SINGLE-FAMILY DUPLEX AND TOWNHOMES. SINGLE-FAMILY DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES. AGAIN A MINIMUM OF 30% OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS AND THOSE WILL BE CONCENTRATED IN THE TOWNHALL NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE. GOING TO THE SITE PLAN AND I KNOW THIS IS DIFFICULT [02:50:04] FOR PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TO READ. BUT WE WILL ZOOM IN ON IT IN A MINUTE. HERE IS WATSON RD., WATSON WROTE IS EXTENDED AS A COLLECTOR ROAD AS A COLLECTOR RD., NORTH TO THE PROPERTY. ALL THE WAY UP TO WILDWOOD DRIVE. ON THIS EASTERN EXTENT OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS A COLLECTOR ROAD, SO THERE WILL BE NO LOTS THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS ON THE ROAD. SO IT IS DESIGNED AND MR. MATOVINA WILL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE, TO CARRY TRAFFIC IS A COLLECTOR ROAD SIMILAR TO WATSON AND WILDWOOD, MORE SIMILAR TO WILDWOOD BECAUSE WATSON DOES NOT CONNECT TO ANYTHING, IT HAS A DEAD END. WILDWOOD CONNECTS TO 207 AND U.S. 1. YOU CAN ALSO SEE AGAIN HERE IS A LINE THAT SHOWS POD A WHISTLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, THIS IS GOING TO BE A SINGLE-FAMILY POD FOR COMPATIBILITY REASONS. TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES WILL BE FROM THIS LINE SOUTH AND SINGLE-FAMILY CAN ALSO BE IN THIS END. SO YOU SEE THE TRANSITION LINE AGAIN FOR COMPATIBILITY. YOU CAN SEE THE AREA OF WETLAND PRESERVATION IN THIS AREA AND IN THE DARKER, THE WETLAND IMPACTS. YOU CAN SEE THE STORM WATER PONDS. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE I PROMISED I WOULD THERE IS AN ACCESS ARROW INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THAT IS DESIGNED TO GIVE THE PERSON WHO OWNS THIS OPPORTUNITY ACCESS INTO HER PROPERTY BECAUSE SHE IS LANDLOCKED RIGHT NOW. I PROMISED I WOULD SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT CONNECTION IS ON THIS PLAN AND IT WILL BE HONORED. SO, TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT HERE IS THE SITE DATA TABLE. YOU ALL HAVE HARDCOPIES, BUT YOU CAN SEE 640 UNITS AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY ACRES IN EACH POD IN TOTAL ALONG WITH THE WETLAND IMPACTS AND PRESERVATION. THIS IS ZOOMING IN MORE SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. THIS IS POD A AND YOU HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY, SINGLE-FAMILY AND THIS IS ONLY SINGLE-FAMILY. WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE PROPERTY IS, YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENT OF THE WETLANDS ON THE WESTSIDE WITH NO DEVELOPMENT. I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THIS DOES NOT HAVE LAND-USE IT HAS A RURAL CIVIL CULTURE LAND-USE. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CONFERENCE A PLAN AMENDMENT TO BE DEVELOPED. YOU CAN SEE AGAIN AND THEN YOU START THE TOWNHOMES IN THIS AREA. THAT'S ACCESS WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE DRIVEWAYS OFF THE COLLECTOR ROAD WHICH BY THE WAY YOU CAN SEE THE 5 FOOT SIDEWALKS SO PEOPLE WANT TO RUN, RIDE THEIR BIKES OR WALK CAN WALK FROM WILDWOOD DOWN TO WATSON ROAD ON THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. GREG IS ALSO GOING TO SHOW YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING DITCH WHICH IS LOCATED PRIMARILY ON THIS APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO DRAINAGE EASEMENT SO YOU WILL NOTE THAT LOCATION AS WELL AND GREG WILL TOUCH ON THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. WE HAVE PROMISED FENCING IN CERTAIN AREAS AND YOU CAN SEE THE 20 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE PLACE EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. GOING TO THE SOUTHERN EXTENT OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE CONNECTION TO WATSON ROAD, THE COLLECTOR ROAD CONNECTS AND GOES UP, JUST ENTRY ROADS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, NO DRIVEWAYS ALONG THE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE THE WETLAND PRESERVATION WHICH IS EXTENSIVE AND YOU ALSO SEE SOME WETLAND IMPACTS. IT IS INTERESTING, WE HEARD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING ABOUT WHAT WE CALL ATTAINABLE HOUSING. FOR SOME REASON AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS A STIGMA THAT I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND. BUT THE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CALLS THIS ATTAINABLE HOUSING. SO AGAIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS SEEN A STEADY DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE PRICED BELOW $250,000 SINCE 2000. SO TO PURCHASE A HOME AT THE ORDINANCE DETERMINE PRICE OF 260,000 WHICH FOR FISCAL YEAR 24-25 HAS BEEN INCREASED 267,000, THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM ANNUAL INCOME OF $97,000. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHO HAVE A MINIMUM ANNUAL INCOME OF $97,000? THAT IS THE AUDIENCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT [02:55:01] HERE. YOU ALSO HAVE THIS INFORMATION, THIS IS CLOSING DATA BETWEEN JANUARY AND JUNE OF THIS YEAR. WE JUST TOOK PART OF IT BECAUSE THESE HOMES WILL BE IN ABOUT THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE RANGE. 2100 TO 2300 SQUARE-FEET. $566,000. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF SALE PRICE AND LOOK AT THE INCOME NEEDED TO AFFORD THAT PRICE. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE ARE TARGETING. THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T MAKE, AGAIN, $97,000 A YEAR . SO I'M GOING TO BRING MR. MATOVINA HERE TO WALK THROUGH A LOT OF THE TECHNICAL DETAILS. AND THEN I WILL CLICK THROUGH FOR YOU. >> OKAY. SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL IS WHEN I WAS FIRST APPROACHED BY THE OWNERS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, I SAID OKAY WELL, WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN MIND? I WAS GIVEN A SITE PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN I WAS GIVEN HAD ABOUT THIS MANY LOTS AND HOUSES ON IT, BUT IT DID NOT HAVE A COLLECTOR ROAD CONNECTION FROM WILDWOOD DOWN TO WATSON. I THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE WHAT IT HAD WAS A ROAD THAT CAME IN AND IT HAD A STOPS AND THEN YOU TOOK THE RIGHT TURN AND THERE WERE TOWNHOMES ALONG THE ROAD AND THEN YOU WOULD PASS BY SOME DUPLEXES, COME ALONG MAKE A CURVE AND STOP. BASICALLY IT WAS USING SUBDIVISION ROADS FOR CARING TRANSPORTATION FROM THE DEAD END OF WATSON ROAD AND I SAID WELL THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO WORK. IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL FOR THE COUNTY. WE NEED TO SHOW SOME BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. SO THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE NOW IS WHERE WE ENDED UP. NOW I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY. AND THE MAP YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE COLORED THE , THE ROADWAY LINKS THAT WERE CALCULATED AS DEFICIENT. THEY ARE THE ONES WITH THE RED SQUIGGLY LINES. THERE ARE THREE LINKS ON U.S. 1. TWO RUNNING FROM WILDWOOD NORTH, THE SINGLE LINE IS TWO LINKS IN THE THIRD STARTS AT 312 AND GOES TO ST. AUGUSTINE. THEN YOU HAVE THE LINK ON WILDWOOD . THAT IS EASTERLY OF THE WATSON ROAD INTERSECTION, WATSON ROAD EXTENSION INTERSECTION WITH WILDWOOD. THE THREE LINKS ON U.S. 1 , THIS EVALUATION WAS DONE BASED ON THE COUNTY'S 2023 TRANSPORTATION SPREADSHEET DATA. SO YOU BASE FAILING OR PASSING AND PROPORTIONATE SHARE BASED ON THE SPREADSHEET THEY HAVE THAT SHOWS HOW MANY CURRENT TRIPS THERE ARE ON ROADS AND HOW MANY RESERVE TRIPS THERE ARE. YOU BASE IT ON THE SPREADSHEET THAT'S IN PLACE AT THE TIME. SINCE WE APPLIED FOR CONCURRENCY SOME TIME AGO ABOUT A MONTH AGO IN 2024 COUNTS AND 2024 UPDATE WAS NOT IN PLACE. BASED ON THE 2023 SPREADSHEET, THE THREE LINKS ON U.S. 1 WERE ALREADY EXCEEDING CAPACITY. I WILL PUT AN ASTERISK BY THAT BECAUSE LATER ON WE MIGHT TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE D.O.T. DECREASED CAPACITY BY 40% FOR THE 2023 SPREADSHEET PURPOSES. SO, THOSE LINKS WERE ALREADY OVER, TRAFFIC WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ON TOP OF THAT. THE LINK ON WILDWOOD THAT HAS A LITTLE RED LINE THERE WAS NOT OVER AND WE PUT IT OVER ABOUT 30 TO 35 PETE HOUR TRIPS WITH OUR NUMBERS AND CALCULATIONS BASED ON THE 2023 SPREADSHEET. I WILL COME BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT I WANT YOU TO NOTE THAT. LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATSON ROAD EXTENSION. SO BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS FOR WHICH YOU WILL SEE IN THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE AGREEMENT IS THE CALCULATION IN THE AGREEMENT FOR BUILDING THE EXTENSION OF WATSON ROAD, INCLUDES EAST AND WEST SECTION AND THE NORTH SOUTH SECTION. THAT CALCULATION COMES OUT TO [03:00:05] ABOUT $17.3 MILLION AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY VALUE FOR LAND BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY REQUIRING APPRAISAL FOR VALUING LAND THAT YOU WILL DONATE AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE LAND DONATED HERE FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RUNNING NORTH TO SOUTH. AND THE APPRAISAL IS NOT IN PLACE SO THAT SOMETHING THE OWNER WOULD COME BACK FOR AT A LATER DATE. SO RIGHT NOW THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE ONLY $17.3 MILLION. THERE IS ALSO A PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT AT THE INTERSECTION OF WATSON ROAD AND U.S. 1. THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE, WE KNOW EVERY TIME WE HAVE A PROPOSED REZONING IT'S ALWAYS A MAJOR BONE OF CONTENTION. THERE IS PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT TO ADD A TURN LANE. A RIGHT TURN LANE AND I WILL SHOW YOU THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS SLIDE BREAKS DOWN THE EXTENSION A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE EAST OR THE WESTSIDE OF WHERE WATSON ROAD ENDS, WHERE THE DARK LINE IS, THE ROAD WOULD EXTEND TO THE INTERSECTION. THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE HEADED NORTH IN THE DRAWING IS KIND OF SKEWED SIDEWAYS, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD CARRY ON AS A UNLOADED ROAD SO TRAFFIC COULD MOVE UNIMPEDED FROM WATSON ALL THE WAY UP TO WILDWOOD. THERE WOULD BE SEVERAL DRIVEWAY CUTS FOR ENTRANCE TO PODS OR SECTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION WITH NO DRIVEWAYS FOR ACTUAL HOMES. THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE IMPRHIS TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT IT DOES, IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE COMING UP SOUTH FROM U.S. 1 TO NOT HAVE TO GO FOR THE NORTH TO MAKE THE LEFT, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IT CREATES OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON WATSON TODAY TO NOT HAVE TO GO OUT TO U.S. WANTED TO GO NORTH. IT GIVES THEM A SECOND OPTION. NUMBER THREE IT GIVES PEOPLE COMING EAST FROM WILDWOOD WHO MAYBE WANT TO GO SOUTH ANOTHER OPTION. AND SO I WILL SHOW YOU IN A SLIGHT HERE IN A SECOND, THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE WATSON ROAD AND AS WE ALL KNOW IT IS JUST DEAD ENDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. IF YOU LEAVE WATSON ROAD WHEN YOU COME TO THE US WON THEIR ONE LANE THERE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TRIPS THAT COME TO THE INTERSECTION ARE TURNING LEFT. SO IF YOU WANT TO TURN RIGHT AND IT IS 7:00 IN THE MORNING, PRESUMABLY YOU ARE STUCK IN A LINE OF TRAFFIC AND CANNOT TURN RIGHT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS TRYING TO TURN LEFT AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE LIGHT TO CHANGE. SO WE ARE COMMITTING TO BUILDING A RIGHT TURN LANE SO THAT FOLKS COMING FROM THAT DIRECTION CAN GET OUT OF THE LINE AND CAN GET INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE AND MAKE THE RIGHT TURN. THE RIGHT TURN LANE WOULD INCLUDE ALL NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. SO, SOMETHING ELSE WAS GOING TO POINT OUT. LET ME MOVE ON FROM THERE. OKAY, THIS , THIS DRAWING WHICH IS A LITTLE , CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING. IT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT TO YOU. SO, THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT, THE RED NUMBERS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE, THE RED NUMBERS ARE THE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNTS ON THOSE LINKS, IF THE CONNECTION TO WATSON ROAD IS NOT MADE AND OUR DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BUILT. THAT'S THE RED NUMBERS. THIS IS A HIGHLY UNLIKELY SCENARIO. YOU CAN PROBABLY NOT PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE RED NUMBERS HOWEVER THE BLACK NUMBERS ARE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON U.S. 1 BETWEEN WATSON ROAD AND WILDWOOD. AND ON WILDWOOD BETWEEN THE PROPOSED INTERSECTION WITH WATSON ROAD AND U.S. 1. SO YOU HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, 13,200 SO YOU HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, 13,215 , THE [03:05:01] PROJECTED TRAFFIC COUNT IN THE YEAR 2030 ON THAT WILDWOOD LINK. IF OUR PROJECT IS NOT BUILT AT ALL. SO IF NOTHING HAPPENED, NOTHING CHANGES NOW THAT PROJECTED NUMBER IS 13,215 DAILY TRIPS. IF OUR PROJECT IS BUILT AND WATSON ROAD CONNECTION IS MADE, THEN YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IN RED AND THAT NUMBER DROPS TO 11,329 TRIPS. OKAY? SO WE CAN DO THE SAME THING OVER ON THAT LINK ON U.S. 1 AND FORGIVE ME, I'M BLIND. THE LINK ON U.S. 1 WOULD HAVE 78,832 TRIPS IF OUR PROJECT IS NOT BUILT IN 2030 AND IF OUR PROJECT IS BUILT, THE NUMBER WOULD DROP TO THE 75,162 . SO, THIS DRAWING VERY CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THE IMPACT OF MAKING THAT CONNECTION. ALL RIGHT, LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROPORTIONATE SHARE. SO, THE AMOUNT OF PROPORTIONATE SHARE THAT IS PROJECTED CURRENTLY IS $8,163,000. OUR 640 HOMES WOULD NORMALLY PAY IN TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES OF ROUGHLY 6,080,000. I SAY ROUGHLY BECAUSE IMPACT FEES ARE IN A GRADING SCALE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO I KIND OF AVERAGE LESS THAN 1800 SQUARE-FEET HOUSE WITH 1800 TO 2500 AND BUMP IT UP A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT NUMBER. WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? CLEARLY WE WILL BE PROVIDING MORE VALUE WITH OUR PROJECT THAN WHAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE JUST PAY IMPACT FEES. NOW, WE REQUIRED TO PAY IMPACT FEES , WE WILL GET CREDIT FOR THE VALUE OF WHAT WE BUILD. BUT WE WILL BE PROVIDING ROUGHLY 2 MILLION MORE IN VALUE TO THE COUNTY. AND WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS YOU SAY WITH THEM IN YOUR BUILDING $17 MILLION ROAD AND ONLY GETTING ONLY 8 MILLION IN CREDIT AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ONLY GET CREDIT FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT IS NOT GENERATED BY OUR DEVELOPMENT. SO WE DON'T GET CREDIT FOR THE OTHER TRIPS THAT ARE COMING UP SOUTH LET'S SAY ON U.S. 1 WHO WILL USE THIS AS A ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION ROUTE. WE DON'T GET CREDIT FOR THOSE COME ONLY FOR THE PERCENTAGE OF TRIPS THAT ARE NOT ATTRIBUTED TO OUR DEVELOPMENT. THE OTHER THING I FORGOT TO MENTION AND IS VERY IMPORTANT I MENTION THIS. WE HAVE AGREED IN OUR CONDITIONS THAT THE WATSON ROAD CONNECTION AND THE WATSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT AT U.S. 1 WOULD BE MADE IN CONNECTION WITH OUR FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. THAT WILL ALL BE MADE UP FRONT, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY WAITING FOR IT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF THE EXTENSION, AND OF COURSE WE WILL BE SPENDING 9.7 MILLION MORE THAN THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE AND ALMOST 12 MILLION MORE THAN OUR REQUIRED PAYMENT OF IMPACT FEES. TALKING SO I'M DONE WITH TRANSPORTATION AT THIS POINT. TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS. THERE IS SCHOOLS AND PASS CAPACITY IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ANALOGY SCHOOL. AND THERE IS SCHOOL CAPACITY IN THE HIGH SCHOOL BUT NOT ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ALL STUDENTS. SO OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR SCHOOLS IS A LITTLE LESS THAN $1000 PER STUDENT. TOTAL IMPACT FEES, AGAIN BECAUSE OF GRADATION IN SCALE IS ROUGHLY $3.5 MILLION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY. SO IF YOU DEDUCT OUT THE CREDITS WE WILL BE GETTING, WE WILL STILL BE WRITING CHECKS IN THIS CASE FOR $2.9 MILLION TO THE SCHOOL ON TOP OF OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF PAYMENT. YOU TO HAVE AN UPDATED UTILITY AVAILABILITY LETTER IN YOUR PACKET. , AT ONE POINT IN TIME WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE [03:10:02] UTILITY AUTHORITY AND THERE WERE TWO OR THREE BENEFITS, SINCE THEN THEY HAVE MADE OTHER PLANS SO WE JUST GOT THE UPDATED LETTER, THE MAIN UTILITY BENEFIT HERE RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A DEAD END WATERLINE ON WATSON ROAD, BY THE DEAD END I MEAN IT GOES A CERTAIN DISTANCE AND STOPS. DEAD END WATERLINES ARE NOT GOOD FOR WATER PRESSURE. SO AS A RESULT OF US CONSTRUCTING THIS EXTENSION OF THE ROAD, WILL ALSO BE EXTENDING A WATERLINE LOOP FROM THE DEAD END OF WATSON ROAD FOLLOWING THE PATH OF THE EXTENSION UP TO WILDWOOD ROAD WHICH WILL THEN PRESUMABLY IMPROVE PRESSURE FOR ALL INVOLVED. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE LETTER. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THIS ROAD. BEING EXTENDED. AND LISTED HERE, THE FIRST ONE I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. WHEN WE HAVE HAD ZONING'S BEFORE US FOR PROPERTIES WEST OF U.S. 1 ON WATSON ROAD THERE IS CONCERN EXPRESSED BY THE RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE WEST OF THE RIVER TRACKS BECAUSE WHEN A TRAIN COMES IF ONE OF THEM IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK, HOW IS THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE GOING TO GET THERE? IF YOU WOULD FLIP FORWARD A COUPLE SLIDES. HERE IS A PICTURE OF HOW MANY OF THE SUBDIVISIONS WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. SO THERE ARE 195 EXISTING HOMES , WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS , THAT SUCCESSION THAT YOU SEE NORTH OF WATSON ROAD WHERE WE WOULD BE EXTENDING IT, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL 120 HOMES. THEY ALREADY HAVE LAND USE AND ZONING. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD. SO YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL FOR 315 HOMES OR MORE THAN 800 RESIDENTS WHO WOULD NOW BE LIVING WEST OF THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS AND HAVE A CHALLENGE IN THE EVENT THAT THE TRACKS ARE BLOCKED. SO, I THINK THAT IS , THERE IS A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM OF NUMBER TWO ABOUT THE CAPACITY BEING INCREASED ON WATSON ROAD APPROACHING U.S. 1 BY 70%. THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IS THE LINK THAT I MENTIONED I WOULD COME BACK TO ON WILDWOOD THAT WE ARE ROUGHLY 30 FRAME HOURS TRIP OVERCAPACITY. THE 2024 SPREADSHEET HAS NOW BEEN PUBLISHED. SO IT HAS THE NEW ACTUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS AND UPDATED RESERVED TRAFFIC COUNTS. RESERVE BEING FOR HOMES THAT ARE APPROVED OR LOTS APPROVED BY DO NOT HAVE CEOS ON THEM YET. BASED ON THE 2024 SPREADSHEET, NOW THERE WILL BE CONSIDERABLE CAPACITY REMAINING ON THAT LINK. WE NO LONGER PUSH IT OVER THE AMOUNT OF THE CAPACITY. HOWEVER, YOU DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH SPREADSHEET YOU USE IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE WILL STILL BE PAYING IN OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE AS A RESULT OF THE CALCULATIONS BASED ON THE 2023 SPREADSHEET WHICH IS LOGICAL TO ME BECAUSE IT IS UNFAIR TO PICK THE WINNERS AND PERHAPS THERE ARE SOME LOSERS THERE TOO. SO WHAT'S FAIR IS FAIR. WE TALK ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE. ELLEN HAS POINTED OUT THE FACT THAT WE LIVE PLUS OR MINUS 190 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. THE DITCH ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT DITCH TRAINS SOU KNOW WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY HAD COMPLAINTS FROM FOLKS ON WATSON ROAD ABOUT DRAINAGE CONSIDERATIONS. THAT DITCH RIGHT NOW REALLY NEEDS TO BE CLEANED OUT REALLY BAD NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, THE COUNTY NEEDS TO MAINTAIN IT IN THE FUTURE. THE DITCH GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO WILDWOOD, GOES UNDER WILDWOOD AND TRAVELS UP THE CREEK. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE WILL BE CLEANING OUT THE DITCH THE FIRST TIME AND WE WILL BE GRANTING AN EASEMENT THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS OVER IT FOR THE CONTINUAL [03:15:02] MAINTENANCE. WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE AND THE WATER MAIN. AND AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HELEN AND LET HER CONCLUDE WITH CHANGES TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. >> OKAY I WILL SPEAK FROM HERE. IF YOU WANT TO STAY UP HERE FOR QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE. TALKING ABOUT CHANGES BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THIS BOARD AND PEOPLE SITTING HERE AND IN THE PUBLIC. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF ABOUT, THIS IS WHAT I WILL CALL A NON-PUD ZONING. SO USUALLY YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CONDITIONS. ASSOCIATED WITH THAT KIND OF ZONING. IT IS JUST REZONED TO WHATEVER IT IS AND THE DEVELOPER COMPLIES WITH THE CODE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATING WITH STAFF, SOME CONDITIONS FOR THIS REZONING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT GREG JUST WENT OVER WITH YOU IN FRONT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE DOCUMENTED IN AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION. SO THIS REDLINE THAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE AND I WILL NOT BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS BUT THIS IS THE LATEST REDRAFT OF THE COUNTY'S PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S ALSO IN THE PACKAGE BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT WE ARE LITERALLY SAYING , THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS WILL BE 640 AND IF THAT MAXIMUM IS DEVELOPED IN A MINIMUM OF THOSE WILL BE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. SO THAT'S THE 30% REQUIRED BY THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. ALSO, THERE WOULD BE FIVE YEARS NOT TWO YEARS AS THE COLD, BUT A FIVE-YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD WHERE THE SALE PRICE OF THAT UNIT COULD NOT EXCEED WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THE CODE WHICH TODAY IS $267,000. WE PROVIDED A 20 FOOT BUFFER ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY NOTING FENCING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON CERTAIN PARCELS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED HERE. WE PROMISED THEM FENCES AND WE ARE LIVING UP TO THOSE PROMISES. ALSO AGAIN GREG WALK YOU THROUGH THE WATSON ROAD EXTENSION WITH 5 FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. AND THEN ALSO SITE ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS CENTERED TURN LANE ON WILDWOOD SO THERE WILL NOT BE IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WATSON ROAD EXTENSION CONNECTS INTO INCLUDING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND INTERSECTION. AND THEN THE RIGHT TURN LANE FROM WATSON ROAD ONTO U.S. 1 WITH A 12 INCH WATER LINE A 12 INCH RECLAIMED LINE AND THEN NUMBER NINE WE HAVE HAD SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNTY UTILITY DEPARTMENT STILL WORKING ON NINE THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS WITH STAFF AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THEIR ATTENTION TO THIS PROJECT AND MAKING SURE PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE DOCUMENTED SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. SO WITH THAT I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR A LONG TIME SO WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND WE WILL STICK AROUND FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY, DR. HILSENBECK. >> I HAVE TO PUT THESE ON. GREG , I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND I THINK IT IS A MUCH BETTER PLAN THAN WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU. >> BEFORE I FORGET, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND THE MAP YOU SHOWED WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS IN OUR PACKET , SO THE PACKET SHOWS DEFICIENT AND ADVERSELY IMPACTED ROAD SEGMENTS. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. WHAT I WANTED TO ASK, YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE LESS TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD AND LESS ON WILDWOOD? >> I SAID LESS ON WILDWOOD AND U.S. WINS. THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC ON WATSON. >> BECAUSE YOU SAID 61% OF THE TRAFFIC ON WATSON WOULD BE NON-PROJECT RELATED BUT INITIALLY IN THE FIGURES YOU SHOWED WITH THE RED AND THE BLACK NUMBERS, I THOUGHT YOU WERE REDUCING TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS RIGHT THERE AND I CAN'T SEE THOSE SWEPT TO FIND THE SITE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THERE, THE CURRENT, IF THE PROJECT IS NOT BUILT WATSON WOULD HAVE 6300, IF IT IS BUILT, 10,300. >> RIGHT, SO THAT IS MORE ON WATSON ROAD. >> THE TWO LINKS I POINTED OUT WERE WILDWOOD AND U.S. 1 [03:20:04] BETWEEN WATSON AND WILDWOOD. >> SO THE TRAFFIC CURRENTLY ON WILDWOOD, 16,873 WHATEVER OR 13,213 , WHERE IS THAT GOING TO GO? IS IT GOING TO GO WEST ON WILDWOOD? >> IT IS SKIPPING THE LINK AND COMING DOWN THE NEW CONNECTOR ROAD WE BUILT AND SWINGING AROUND TO TIE INTO U.S. 1. >> FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LET'S SAY 207 AND 95 . IS THERE A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING WEST ON WILDWOOD? >> ACTUALLY, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. IT IS ABOUT 60-40 , 60% USED FROM CONNECTOR ROAD AT WILDWOOD AND 40% GOES WEST. >> OKAY BUT ALL THE TRAFFIC IS STILL GOING TO WHAT ARE DEFICIENT ROAD SEGMENTS NOW. THEY ARE NOT ALL ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY ARE DEFICIENT. FOR EXAMPLE 207 IS DEFICIENT. SO THEY GO OUT WILDWOOD, GO WEST AND NORTH UP TO 207, THEY HIT A DEFICIENT SEGMENT. IT MAY NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT 207 BECAUSE IT HAS SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON IT. THAT IS STILL DEFICIENT. U.S. 1 NORTH FROM WILDWOOD DEFICIENT, WILDWOOD FROM PROJECT ENTRANCE TO U.S. 1 DEFICIENT. WILDWOOD SOUTH TO WATSON ROAD AND EVEN SOUTH OF THERE ALSO DEFICIENT. THERE IS A LOT OF DEFICIENCIES ON THESE FOUR LINKS. >> DR. HILSENBECK I WILL INTERJECT FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE YOU AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PROPORTIONATE SHARING CONCURRENCY BEFORE. SO UNDER CHAPTER 163, 3180 FLORIDA STATUTE. IF A COUNTY OR ANY OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS A CONCURRENCY SYSTEM WHICH ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOES, THAT TO FOLLOW THE CONCURRENCY AND THEN PROPORTIONATE SHARE. SO, THE LINKS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. FIRST OF ALL THE STATUTE SAYS THAT NO DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IMPACTS TO AN ALREADY DEFICIENT PLAN , THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE ZERO DOLLARS, BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS APPLICANT IS GOING TO PAY PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR IMPACTS TO ALREADY DEFICIENT ROADS EVEN THOUGH LEGALLY THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED. >> ABOUT 8 MILLION. >> YES, BUT ALSO TO THAT POINT, THEY ARE NOT ONLY PAYING A PROPORTIONATE SHARE WHICH THEY CAN MAKE THE CHECK AND GO UNDER THE LAW , CALLED PAY AND GO BUT THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD 17 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAY NETWORK. MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH AS THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE. AND TO GREG'S POINT EARLIER, THE PROJECT WILL TAKE UP SOME CAPACITY ON THOSE LINKS WITH A LOT OF THE CAPACITY TAKEN UP BY BACKGROUND TRAFFIC ALREADY ON THE ROADWAY SYSTEM TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THAT TRAFFIC AS IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SLIDE. >> IN REGARD TO 17 OR 18 MILLION TO BUILD YOUR CONNECTOR ROAD YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE COUNTY TO BUILD THAT FOR YOU ON YOUR DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. >> NO, BUT LIKE A GREG POINTED OUT HE TOOK THE ROAD WHICH COULD'VE BEEN A SUBDIVISION WROTE AND HAD THE IDEA TO TURN IT INTO A COLLECTOR ROAD TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAY NETWORK THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE. >> I UNDERSTOOD THAT, THINK IT. STILL THINK GIVEN THE DEFICIENT ROADS AND 5000 MORE CARS ON THE ROADS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SEE HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I'M NOT AN EXPERT, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. >> DR. HILSENBCK PLEASE. AUDIENCE MEMBERS PLEASE, NO CLAPPING, NO TALKING. THERE IS A NICE POLICE OFFICER OVER HERE AND I WILL HAVE HIM ESCORT YOU OUT. EVERY TIME YOU LAUGH OR CLAP OR TALK IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO HEAR HIM AND OTHER PEOPLE SPEAKING AND MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO HEAR THE APPLICANT. WOULD YOU LIKE IT WHEN YOU COME UP AND SPEAK IF WE START LAUGHING AND TALKING AND CLAPPING SO NOBODY ELSE CAN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I DON'T THINK SO. PLEASE I AM ASKING YOU GUYS, YOU ARE ALL ADULTS, PLEASE STOP. WE CANNOT HEAR YOU, WE WOULD NOT LIKE FOR THIS MEETING TO GO ON ANY LONGER THAN IT HAS TO, BUT IT WILL HAVE AN OFFICER ESCORT YOU OUT IF YOU GUYS DON'T STOP. >> MDM. CHAIR, YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH IT AFFECTS WHAT WE ARE HEARING WHEN YOU [03:25:01] CLAP. IT TOTALLY TAKES WHATEVER CONVERSATION IS AWAY AND THEN THEY HAVE TO REPEAT IT OR START OVER. IT IS VERY VERY ANNOYING. I KNOW IT IS VERY EMOTIONAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT PLEASE DON'T DO IT. THANK YOU. >> OF A SECOND WITH THE CHAIRMAN SAID. I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE ENTHUSIASTIC AND SO FORTH, BUT IT IS BEST TO HOLD THOSE APPLAUSE OR LAUGHS OR ANYTHING ELSE. ANYWAY THE LAST THING ON THE ROADS. ON THOSE SEGMENTS WE ARE LOOKING AT AND I KNOW SOME ARE IN OTHER SPOTS LIKE 312 NORTH . GOING FROM U.S. 1 NORTH OF THERE U.S. 1 NORTH FROM U.S. 12. 79 MILLION IN NEED YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING IN 8 MILLION. THAT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO TOUCH THE OVERALL NEED THAT IS GOING TO BE GENERATED , THAT IS CURRENT. IT IS A CURRENT NEED AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. >> TO THAT POINT , COULD YOU 16 IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, IT IS A CONSTRAINED ROAD, IF YOU WILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY TO WIDEN THE ROAD. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY IN THE WORLD TO WIDEN U.S. 1 SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO WAS TRY TO CREATE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE TO GET PEOPLE OFF U.S. 1 TO AGAIN REDUCE THE TRAFFIC AS YOU SEE BETWEEN THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS STREET. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THE RESIDENTS OF WATSON ROAD FEEL ABOUT HAVING A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR RATIONALE AND YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT U.S. WINS. TALKING ABOUT THE TOTAL COST AND I UNDERSTAND . THAT'S GOING TO BE YEARS OUT BEFORE THIS HAPPENS. I KNOW YOU SAID THE TURN LANE AND IMPROVEMENTS WOULD OCCUR WITH PHASE 1 SO THAT'S GOOD. >> THAT IN YOUR PACKAGE BY THE WAY THE CURRENT DRAFTS OF THE CONCURRENCY AND IMPACT FEE CREDIT AGREEMENT SO SPEAKING OF DOCUMENTATION GUARANTEE IN WRITING WHAT WE ARE SAYING. THAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE, THOSE ARE THE CURRENT DRAFTS THAT ARE WITH STAFF AND REVIEW. HOPEFULLY THAT PAIRS UP WITH THE APPLICATION WHEN WE GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. PROVIDING WITH CERTAINTY THESE THINGS WILL BE DONE AS GREG SAID IN PHASE 1 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE. >> THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, THANK YOU. TALKING ABOUT THE DITCH ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. YES IT NEEDS CLEANING OUT, THERE'S A LOT OF VEGETATION ON IT. THAT THING HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE 50S. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN THAT IS CLEANED OUT, HOW MUCH SEDIMENT AND HOW MUCH NUTRIENTS, ALL SORTS OF THINGS ARE GOING TO MOVE AT A HIGHER AND FASTER VOLUME UP THE DITCH , UNDER WILDWOOD IN LESS THAN 1/3 MILE RIDE UP INTO THE CREEK. AND THEN FOR A MORE TREE CREEK DOWN TO THE KANSAS RIVER ESTUARY. SO THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME. THE WATER QUALITY ASPECT , WHEN THE DITCH IS INDEED IMPROVED AND I KNOW YOU WILL DEED MAINTENANCE OF THAT EASEMENT TO THE COUNTY AND THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FROM THEN ON, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS AN ASPECT OF WILL HAPPEN TO THE CREEK AND TO THOSE RESIDENTS , WE HAD ONE LETTER FROM A PERSON IN THE CORONADO NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT EROSION AND A RAVINE BEHIND THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL BE EXACERBATED OR NOT, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN I WANT TO LAY OUT. >> IS THAT A QUESTION? >> MAYBE, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND? IT IS A STATEMENT, SO YOU CAN RESPOND. >> WHILE. >> WHAT HE GOING TO DO TO HELP THE WATER QUALITY OF MORE TREE CREEK? >> WHILE YOU HAVE SUBDIVISIONS AND YOU HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND. THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE ALREADY TREATING THE WATER . SO, WHAT ARE COMING FROM THE SUBDIVISION SHOULD BE TREATED. THE UNDEVELOPED LAND WILL HAVE NATURAL CONDITIONS. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT SORT OF CONTAMINATION OR MINERALS ARE GOING TO GET INTO MORE TREE CREEK IF THE DEVELOPED AREAS THE WATER IS BEING TREATED AND UNDEVELOPED AREAS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, UNDEVELOPED. >> THEY ARE TREATED BY THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, THE NATURAL PIECE OF LAND HAS ALL SORTS OF ECOSYSTEM SERVICES THAT WILL TREAT WITH WATER [03:30:01] QUALITY AND ENHANCE IT AND HOLD IT AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF STORAGE PONDS. WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IN THIS IS WHAT THE QUESTION WAS. WHEN THAT IS CLEANED OUT AND THE TREES ARE CUT AWAY FROM THAT AND SO FORTH AND THE VOLUME IS HIGHER THROUGH THERE, THERE'S LIKELY TO BE MORE SEDIMENT, SEDIMENT CARRIES NUTRIENTS. IT IS NUTRIENTS. I JUST WONDER WITH A HIGHER VOLUME WITH MORE NUTRIENTS GOING UP TO MOULTRIE CREEK IS GOING TO DO BECAUSE OF THE DITCH ON THE SOUTH BEHIND THE HOUSES ON WATSON ROAD AT THE END OF WATSON ROAD, THAT DITCH LOOKED HIGHLY NEUTRAL FIGHT WITH A LOT OF NUTRIENTS PROBABLY FROM YARD FERTILIZER. A LOT OF THAT WILL GET IN THE DITCH AND WILL BE HEADED NORTH AS WELL. THAT'S A LONG DISTANCE TO TRAVEL. >> 1.6 MILES? NOT THAT FAR. TO MOULTRIE CREEK IS ANOTHER LESS THAN 1/3. TO TRIBAL. [03:38:01] . >> IT IS ZONED PUD DESPITE THE FACT IT IS EXPIRED SO IT DOESN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO IT BUT IT DOESN'T REVERT TO OPEN ROLE FOR EXAMPLE. >> DOESN'T REVERT OR NOT? IT STILL STAYS EVEN IF IT'S APPROVED IN 2008, EXPIRED STILL SHOWN? OKAY. >> JUST TO MAKE CLARIFICATION, THE LAND USE FOR THE ENTIRE SITE IS RESIDENTIAL. >> I READ THIS APPLICATION NUMEROUS TIMES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET ME ASK A FEW OTHER THINGS. OKAY. I WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. GOT TO THAT. GOT TO THAT. I GUESS IT WILL COME UP NOW AS INCOMPATIBILITY . I NOTICED THE LIMIT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS 267,000 WHICH NOT LONG AGO WAS A DARN NICE HOUSE. IT ISN'T ANYMORE. IT'S DECENT, I'M SURE, BUT NOW YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO ADD THE $7000 ALLOWED BY THE COUNTY TO THE SALES PRICE. THAT INCLUDES CREDITS, CONTRIBUTIONS OR COST PAID BY THE SELLER. WHAT I READ IS IT WAS GOING TO BE 274 FOR THE SALES PRICE. >> WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS, IF YOU READ THAT ORDINANCE CLOSELY, I CAN GRAB MY COPY FROM THE FILES ADMITTED. WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IS THAT I WILL CALL IT A COST INDEX ESCALATOR EVERY YEAR. JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, [03:40:02] THE NUMBER PERMITTED -- >> 267 . CAN I ASK MY QUESTION FIRST? OKAY. I KNOW IT'S THE 267, BUT THERE'S MATERIALS IN THEIR IN THE ITEM THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE $70,000 ON TOP OF THAT COST ON THE SALES PRICE. WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW AT 274 IS THE SELLER PLANNING ON BEHALF OF THE INITIAL BUYER , FOR QUALIFIED COST, DO YOU PLAN TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE INTEREST RATE, SOME MORTGAGE FEES, APPRAISALS FOR THE BOARDING FEES, DOC STAMPS? IS THAT WHAT THAT EXTRA IS GOING FOR? THAT DOESN'T COUNT THE 267. >> IS TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT PARTS. OKAY. >> THAT ISN'T FOR THE BUYER TO PAY. THAT IS THE SELLER IS ALLOWED TO PAY UP TO THAT AMOUNT AS INCENTIVE. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. IT'LL DEPEND ON THE MARKET CONDITIONS. THE MARKET PRICE IS 267 . THAT MADE ME QUESTION THAT. WELL. I JUST, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY IT AND I SAID THIS BEFORE FOR OTHER PRODUCTS IS I FEEL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS TABLE FIGURE 3 IS ON PAGE 15 OF THE APPLICATION. THE COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS. LOOK AT THESE IN THESE DIFFERENT COLUMNS COMING ACROSS HERE. THIS PROJECT AT 5.8 UNITS PER NET ACRE AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOME DETACHED , SINGLE-FAMILY HOME DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES WHEREAS ALL THE REST ARE DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND THE DENSITY, 5.8 UNITS PER NET ANCHOR FOR OSCEOLA LAKES IS WAY HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THESE EXCEPT FOR ONE. ONE COMES CLOSE, CREEKSIDE . OTHERS ALL HAVE A ONE IN FRONT OF THEM. 2.32, 1.1 , 1.83, 1.48. I UNDERSTAND IT IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. FIVE UNITS PER NET ACRE . THEY GAVE THIS CHART TO SOMEBODY AND ASK THEM TO PICK OUT THE ONE THAT DIDN'T FIT IN HERE THAT WAS NOT CONGRUENT WITH THE REST OF THEM, I THINK MOST PEOPLE, INCLUDING MY GRANDDAUGHTERS COULD PICK OUT THE ONE WITH THE FIVE-POINT UNITS PER ACRE AS BEING OUT OF KILTER WITH THE REST OF THE LANDS AROUND THERE. WHAT I SAID BEFORE ON THE LAST ITEM WHEN I READ THE CONFERENCE POLICY 8.1, 1.311 IT TALKS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. IT SAYS I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS WELL. WHEN A CONFERENCE PLAN AMENDMENT OR DISOWNING APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED THE COUNTY SHALL ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. LAND USES INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO PERMITTED USES, STRUCTURES, ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE LAND-USE OR ZONING DISTRICT. AS I SAID BEFORE, DO YOU WANT TO HEAR MY ANSWER OR NOT? OKAY. >> WE WERE LISTENING TO THE DIALOGUE AS WE WERE FIGURING OUT WHO WAS GOING TO ANSWER WHAT YOU GOT TO THE END. >> WHEN I READ THESE COMPATIBILITY THINGS I KNOW WE HAVE HAD DIFFERENCES APPEAR ON THE PCA. WHEN I READ IT , I READ IT IN TERMS OF WHAT IT SAYS HERE. ALLOWED WITHIN THE EXISTING PLAN USE CATEGORIES IMPLEMENTING ZONING DISTRICT. >> THE IMPLEMENTING LAND-USE CATEGORY IS RESIDENTIAL BE. WHAT WE PROVIDE IS EXACTLY CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIAL BE LAND-USE . >> CAN I FINISH MY QUESTION? >> YOU ARE GIVING US ALONG DIALOGUE AND I'M TRYING TO ANSWER THINGS AS WE GO ALONG BECAUSE YOU ARE BRINGING UP POINTS, BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO RESPOND TO YOUR POINTS. >> AS SOON AS I FINISH THE QUESTION. >> CAN WE DO ONE QUESTION AT A TIME? IT'S GOING TO BE HARD. YOU'VE BEEN TALKING FOR [03:45:05] SEVERAL MINUTES AND YOU RAISE SEVERAL ISSUES AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THE ISSUES YOU'RE RAISING. >> YOUR ALWAYS EXCELLENT AT RESPONDING TO THOSE. YOU ARE REALLY EXCELLENT. IT SAYS THE COMPATIBILITY OF LAND USE IS DEPENDENT ON NUMEROUS CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAY IMPACT ADJACENT OR SURROUNDING USES. THESE INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO TYPE OF USE, DENSITY WHICH I JUST WENT OVER THAT TABLE ON FIGURE 3 , DENSITY, INTENSITY, VIBRATION, TRAFFIC GENERATION , SANITATION, DRAINAGE, FIRE RISK , AIR QUALITY, TYPOGRAPHY, SOIL EMISSIONS, WILDLIFE, SURFACE WATERS, DRAINAGE , ALL OF THESE THINGS. WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT COMPATIBILITY AND LOOKING JUST AT THE DENSITY ON FIGURE 3 IT IS OUT OF WHACK WITH THE REST OF THEM. I WONDER HOW YOU ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO THAT. >> ARE YOU READY? >> YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. >> IS GOING TO GET LONGER. >> WE WILL START WITH LAND-USE. >> I KNOW IT'S RESIDENTIAL B. >> I NEED TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. IT IS RESIDENTIAL BE LAND-USE. JUST LIKE ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. RESIDENTIAL C TO THE NORTH. ACCORDING TO THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE , THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL DENSITY. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. I LET YOU ANSWER, I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN ONE LONG ANSWER. SO, YOU WILL NOTICE THIS HAS A 20 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER. ONE OF THE BASIC THINGS DEVELOPMENTS CAN DO TO OFFER COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR EXAMPLE ALL THE USES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE RESIDENTIAL. WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR ANYTHING ELSE , NOT EVEN APARTMENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THE CODE WOULD ONLY REQUIRE A 10 FOOT BUFFER COMPATIBILITY. WE ARE PROVIDING 20 ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY. AS YOU SEE, A LOT OF THIS PROPERTY IS WETLAND THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED. YOU ALSO SEE THE WETLAND ON THESE PROPERTY LINES AND THIS PROPERTY LINE YOU ARE LOOKING AT WETLAND VERSUS WETLAND VERSUS WETLAND. YOU ALSO SEE THAT'S WHY THE SITE PLAN SAYS SINGLE-FAMILY IN THIS AREA, NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY AND THERE CANNOT UP TOWNHOMES OR DUPLEXES IN THIS AREA. YOU ALSO SEE THE DRAINAGE DITCH WHICH IS GOING TO ACT AS A NATURAL BUFFER AND PROVIDE THE DRAINAGE WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SHOULD BE DOING RELATED TO THE LAUNDRY LIST YOU JUST READ OUT. THIS WILL PROVIDE A DRAINAGE BENEFIT. >> YES. I AGREE WITH YOU. IT STANDS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB ON HIS CHART. I WILL TELL YOU HE DESIGNED THIS WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY. >> IT WAS GOOD. >> 34 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. >> THE SINGLE-FAMILY WILL NOT HAVE A 5.8 UNIT DENSITY PER ACRE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT COMES OUT TO. THIS PROPERTY HAS LIMITED ADJACENCY TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. THE WHOLE EAST SIDE IS BASICALLY BUFFERED BY THE ROAD WE ARE PROVIDING IN THAT HUGE DITCH. THE WHOLE WEST SIDE EXCEPT FOR THAT LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY IS BUFFERED BY WETLANDS FOR THE MOST PART WHERE WE ARE GOING TO ADD A BUFFER. THE SOUTHSIDE IS UNDEVELOPED. THE EAST SIDE RIGHT NOW WE TALKED ABOUT. YOU DON'T GO THROUGH THAT LAUNDRY LIST AND SAY YOU FAILED ON THIS ONE HERE BECAUSE OF THIS CHART. YOU DON'T SAY THERE IS NO COMPATIBILITY BECAUSE THERE NEVER WILL BE. UNLESS YOU HAVE AN EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION IN YOUR LAND. YOU GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST AND HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ENTIRE LIST. THE FINAL POINT I WILL MAKE IS THE PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED BASED ON THE TWO UNITS PER ACRE. RIGHT NOW. THAT [03:50:01] WOULD YIELD ROUGHLY 200 SOME ODDS . THERE WOULD BE NO WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THERE WOULD BE NO ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION ROUTE TO RELIEVE SOME TRAFFIC CONCERNS IN THIS AREA AND TO TAKE CARE OF THE EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT EXISTS WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THERE ARE TRADE-OFFS. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A TRADE-OFF. >> THE INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUE THAT EVERYONE OF THOSE THAT I READ OFTEN THAT LIST THAT IS IN THAT POLICY, ALL OF THOSE DON'T HAVE TO BE MET. SEVERAL OF THEM CAN BE MET AND MAKE IT INCOMPATIBLE. EVERY ONE OF THOSE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TRUE TO THE INCOMPATIBILITY. I WAS FOCUSING ON THE DENSITY FOR WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE DENSITY IS WAY HIGHER THAN THE OTHERS. THAT IS AN ISSUE AND THAT GENERATES A LOT OF CARS AND MORE WETLAND DESTRUCTION AND SO FORTH. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, I KNOW YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO OR BETTER IN POLICY 8.1.11.1 M , YOU KNOW THAT ONE? OKAY. IT SAYS NOTHING IN THIS PROVISION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO GUARANTEE THE ACHIEVEMENT OF THE MAXIMUM DENSITY FOR ANY SPECIFIC PROPOSED DEVELOPMNT INCLUDING THE PROVISION OF ANY BONUS OR INCENTIVE THAT MAY BE APPLICABLE PURSUANT TO THE PLAN. THE ACTUAL DENSITY ACHIEVED, LET SAY FROM 2 TO NEARLY SIX NOW WITH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING , THE ACTUAL DENSITY ACHIEVED HIGHER PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE ESTABLISHED AND CONTROLLED WITHIN THE MAXIMUMS PROVIDED I THIS PROVISION THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF APPLICABLE PLAN POLICIES AND IMPLEMENTING A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION AND CONSERVANCY MANAGEMENT . IT MAY TO LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM PROVIDED FOR IN THIS PROVISION. DENSITY SHALL BE DETERMINED ON A SITE-SPECIFIC BASIS CONSIDERING DESIGN, COMPATIBILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE, SITE CHARACTERISTICS AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WHICH MAY LIMIT DENSITY APPROPRIATE TO THE SITE. >> WE WILL SUBMIT OUR ENTIRE POWERPOINT AND APPLICATION DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD TODAY TO YOU AS EVIDENCE WE HAVE MET THAT. >> I SEE IT THAT YOU HAVE NOT MET THAT BURDEN. THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRET IT. >> WE WILL SEE WHAT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THINK. >> I'M SURE THEY WILL VOTE. I WILL PROBABLY BE OUTVOTED. AS I SAID BEFORE, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT INCOMPATIBILITY I AM LOOKING AT THE EXISTING LAND USE NEIGHBORHOODS, NEIGHBORS, THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND NOT TAKING IT FROM A DEVELOPERS VIEWPOINT AND LOOKING AT WHAT NEW LAND-USE IS GOING TO BE. I LOOK AT THE EXISTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS LONGER RATHER THAN SOMEBODY NEW COMING AND PUTTING IN NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT WHEN I LOOK AT IT THAT WAY I SEE THIS DENSITY AS YOU SAID STUCK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. I WILL NOW BE QUIET AND LET OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK AND THE AUDIENCE ASK QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. >> IT WILL BE A LONG DAY. I WANTED TO THANK THE DOCTOR FOR HIS COMMENTS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE STIGMA ATTACHED TO IT. BEING THE PCA MEMBER FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND ALSO BEING A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PZA FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD . IT'S REALLY EDUCATION FOR ME, THERE IS SO MANY MOVING PARTS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THAT THE WORLDVIEW OF SINGLE-FAMILY, LOW-DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS REALLY KIND OF PRECLUDES ANY WORKFORCE HOUSING FROM EVER REALLY BEEN DEVELOPED . I'M DIGGING INTO THIS AND LEARNING A LOT ABOUT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT. EVERYONE WANTS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO ME TO LICK MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOES AND THAT PRECLUDES A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR HOUSES. I'M NOT MEANING TO BE [03:55:02] A PEER GIVING A SPEECH OR LECTURE AND JUST SAYING MY MIND HAS CHANGED IN A WAY OF MAYBE LOOKING AT NEW SOLUTIONS. I BELIEVE THE WORKFORCE IN OUR COMMUNITY AS PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE AVAILABILITY FOR THEM TO COMFORTABLY LIVE IN A WAY THAT IS UPWARDLY MOVING . THE COUNTY, NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE PRESERVE EVERYTHING ELSE THE COUNTY WILL NOT SURVIVE. WE WILL CRUMBLE, OUR FOUNDATION NEEDS TO BE FIRM. THE FOUNDATION IS PEOPLE AND LIVES AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT MAKING MY NEIGHBORHOOD COMFORTABLE , MAKING THINGS STAY THE SAME AS THEY WERE WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT MY HOME. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS. I WENT THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT , I LIVE ON WATSON ROAD. I DRIVE DOWN WATSON EVERY TIME I GO IN AND OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD THIS IS MY NECK OF THE WOODS. THIS IS WHERE I LIVE, I KNOW THE DRAINAGE, I KNOW ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. I KNOW HOW WET IT IS. I KNOW HOW WET IT IS DOWN THERE. BETWEEN WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT AND THE CLEARING OUT OF THAT DITCH AND MAYBE ALLOWING THE DRAINAGE TO MOVE BETWEEN THE DEAD ENDING OF THE WATER, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WATER PRESSURE, THAT WILL HELP. THESE ARE ALL THINGS MOVING PARTS PEOPLE DON'T LOOK AT. THEY SEE THIS IS MY LITTLE DOMAIN AND I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. IF WE KEEP HAVING THAT ATTITUDE AND TO INK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE IT IS A CULTURE, WE JUST CAN'T GO FORWARD. IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY AND THANKING OTHER PEOPLE JUST OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES. SOMETIMES THAT INVOLVES CREATIVE THINKING AND LISTENING TO OTHER OPINIONS. I RESPECT DR. HILLS AND BACK MORE THAN HE CAN IMAGINE. I JUST DISAGREE ABOUT THE INCOMPATIBILITY. I THINK WE NEED A BROADER VIEW AND NEED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO DENSITY. I DID A SITE VISIT IN THIS AREA AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOCATION. IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD. THERE'S NINE HOMES AND THE DEVELOPERS REALLY WORKING. IT SEEMS TO MAKE A WISE OFFER BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AFTER THAT LECTURE. THE SCHOOLS, THE CONCURRENCY YOU MENTIONED ON THE SCHOOLS , THERE WAS PARTIAL CONCURRENCY FOR HIGH SCHOOL. THERE IS AVAILABILITY FOR ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? THAT'S CORRECT. THE PROJECT WERE DEVELOPER WILL PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO OFFSET THE AVAILABILITY THAT IS NOT THERE . IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? >> BECAUSE WE PUSHED THE HIGH SCHOOL OVER ITS CAPACITY, IT HAS SOME CAPACITY BUT NOT ENOUGH TO HANDLE ALL OF OUR STUDENTS . YOU CALCULATE HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PAY ON THE AMOUNT, WE PUSH IT OVER WHICH IS WHY IT'S SO LOW. IT NORMALLY WOULD BE ABOUT ROUGHLY THE PROPORTION SHARED PER LOT WOULD BE WHAT THE IMPACT FEE WOULD BE. BECAUSE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF OUR LOTS WON'T HAVE CAPACITY THE NUMBER WE HAVE TO PAY IS 600,000 AND CHANGE. EVERY HOME HAS TO PAY AN IMPACT FEE. I REMEMBER WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS, $3.5 MILLION IS WHAT IT COMES TO. 600,000 OF THAT WILL BE PAID UP FRONT THROUGH THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE . THE OTHER 2.9 MILLION WILL BE PAID. >> THAT MAKE SENSE. I HAD A QUESTION THAT FELL OUT. IT HAD TO DO WITH THE SCHOOLS. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROPOSE, I APPRECIATE YOU WENT WHICH WAS NOT VERY HELPFUL EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN OUR CODE. I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU CAN SPEAK TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS AND SEE IF THEY CAN BUDGET UP TO 10, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR 30 BUT I UNDERSTAND I'M LEARNING MORE ABOUT WHAT ALL THAT MEANS AND I KNOW IT IS FOR THE INITIAL BUYER. IT WOULD NUDGE OUT A LITTLE BIT JUST IN THE CASE THAT I THINK IT MIGHT BE OF [04:00:01] BETTER BENEFIT I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A QUESTION YOU CAN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. >> WHEN WE COME BACK WE WILL TALK TO THEM. >> WE TALKED ABOUT MITIGATING INCOMPATIBILITY. THE DRAINAGE THAT IS ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE CLEARED OUT. I HAD A MEETING AND I'M SURE THEY WILL BE HERE SPEAKING. THEY HAD A HORRENDOUS MESS OVER THERE. THEY'VE GOT A BIG RAVINE ESSENTIALLY . I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WEREN'T AWARE OR SOMETHING BUT IT DID GET MAINTAINED THE WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE. THERE WAS A ROSEN ISSUES AND IT WAS A REAL CONCERN THE DRAINAGE ONCE THAT'S OPENED UP IT WILL CAUSE THEM MORE PROBLEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ENGINEERS OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH THEM OR WORK WITH THEM. THEY ARE ALREADY HAVING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER REGARDING THE PROBLEM. JUST TO RELAY THEIR FEARS OR MAYBE IT IS A PROBLEM, I DON'T KNOW. >> IT COULD BE A PROBLEM. IF THE VOLUME OF WATER IS COMING FASTER IT COULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THE ROSHAN. THERE ARE WAYS TO SLOW THAT DOWN. AS YOU CLEAN OUT THE DITCH YOU CAN CREATE A SERIES OF SMALL WALLS LIKE CINCH INCHES TO A FOOT HIGH WHERE THE WATER GETS STOP BY THOSE WALLS IT COMES OVER THE TOP AND SLOWS THE WATER DOWN. D.O.T. USES THAT DRAINAGE ALL THE TIME. IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG DITCH ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. REALLY THESE MANY RETENTION PONDS. THERE IS CERTAINLY A WAY TO HANDLE THAT. IT'S OBVIOUSLY WITH THE POINTS BEING MADE, WE DO NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE GO THROUGH DRAINAGE DESIGN AND CLEAN OUT THE DITCH. >> PERHAPS THERE COULD BE COLLABORATION WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SURE THEY WILL BE UP TO SPEED. THEY KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON . I REALLY DID HEAR A BIG CONCERN FOR THEM AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN. >> YES. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES THERE WOULD BE SOME COLLABORATION. I SUSPECT THE COUNTY WOULD BRING THE ISSUE UP. >> YOU DID MENTION THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES. IS THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY JUST ENDING RIGHT ON THIS PROPERTY LINE ESSENTIALLY? >> IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, I KNOW EVERYTHING IN RED IS THIS PROPERTY BUT THERE IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL HERE. DO YOU SEE THIS? THAT IS REALLY WHERE THE DEVELOP AREA BOUNDARY IS ALSO RIGHT HERE. TECHNICALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS EVERYTHING THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THAT KIND OF THING. >> AS YOU SAID, THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED. I KNOW THE TRAFFIC, I'M SORRY, THE TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE. IT'S AN ISSUE. IT'S AN ISSUE EVERYWHERE. LOOKING AT AN INCREASE OF 55% IN TRAFFIC ON WATSON ROAD IT DOESN'T MAKE ME SMILE. I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN INCLUDED IN THOSE NUMBERS AND THAT IS A SCARY THOUGHT. I DON'T KNOW. IT IS NOT AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS RULES IN PLACE TO KIND OF COUNTER THAT. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'M GETTING CLOSE TO DONE. I TALKED ABOUT INITIAL BUYER. THE INCREASE IN COST IS JUST STAGGERING TO ME. THIS IS NOTHING ON YOU BUT THE INCREASE IN COST IN THE ROAD SEGMENTS, I DID LOOK UP THAT TABLE ON F.. THE COST PER MILE TO DO ANYTHING. THIS HAS TO CHANGE. >> TO YOUR POINT, JUST KNOW THAT EVEN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING HAS TO PAY IMPACT FEES IN CONNECTION FEES AND EVERYTHING SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE BOTTOM LINE. >> THAT WAS WHERE MY QUESTION WAS, THANK YOU. THE CALCULATION WAS MADE THAT THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, A.K.A. DUPLEXES ARE COUNTED AS MULTIFAMILY AND NOT SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED. I THINK WHEN THEY DID THE CONCURRENCY AND THE NUMBERS I CALCULATED IT OUT AND I CAME UP WITH A HIGHER [04:05:04] NUMBER BUT THEN SHE SAID IT LOOKS LIKE THEY USED MULTIFAMILY FOR THE DUPLEXES AS WELL. IT WAS ONLY 180 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH LOWER THRESHOLD FOR MULTIFAMILY. THE MAC THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN WE FILED FOR THE CONCURRENCY APPLICATION TO YOUR POINT, THEY HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S HOW WE BROKE IT DOWN IN THE APPLICATION AND THAT IS WHEN SHE SENT US THE MODEL BACK. >> THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. LIVING ON WATSON ROAD AND BEING A LOVER OF PEOPLE AND WANTING EVERYONE SAFE AND HEALTHY AND HAPPY, THE CONCERN WITH THE TRAIN TRACKS IS A REAL THING. THAT IS A REAL ISSUE. THIS DOES ADDRESS THAT AND I'M SUPER THANKFUL. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HAVING AN EXERCISE AND WITH EVERYTHING THEY HAD TO GET THROUGH THEIR IF THEY HAD TO GET TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. WORKING ON THAT ROAD LOOKING AT ALL THE TRAFFIC OPTIONS I CAN SEE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD GO THAT WAY. MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS GOING TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND IT'S STILL GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND. THINGS YOU DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT. HOW MIGHT THIS BENEFIT COMMUNITY? TRAFFIC IS A BIG ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THIS PROJECT I CAN SEE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ALL THESE AMAZING PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT AND LISTENED TO ME BABBLE ON. THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE IT QUICK. I KNOW THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK AND THEY WANT TO HEAR. WE KNOW THAT U.S. ONE IS SET IN STONE. IS THERE ANY FUTURE FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE KNOW OF ON WILDWOOD? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING PLANNED AT THE MOMENT. I BELIEVE IT HAS RIGHT-OF-WAY. I BELIEVE IT DOES. >> THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> PLUS YOU HAVE A RAILROAD TRACK. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M WITH MANAGEMENT. THERE IS NO -- ARE YOU REFERRING TO WIDENING? >> IMPROVEMENT. ANY TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT FOR TRAFFIC FLOW? >> YEAH, I BELIEVE THE COUNTY COMMISSION ADDED IT TO OUR LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS BUT IT WAS MORE OF A THREE LANE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT FOR OLD MOULTRIE ROAD BECAUSE OF ALL THE TURN LANES BUT THERE IS ADEQUATE ROADWAY FOR IT. IT WOULD IMPROVE THE FLOW AND MAYBE UPDATED TO MORE OF AN ARTERIAL TYPE STANDARD OR MAJOR COLLECTOR BUT NOT WIDENING TO FOUR LANES. >> THERE IS RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> I BELIEVE THERE IS. ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME IN WE HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY RESERVATION ON BOTH SIDES AS PROJECTS COME IN. WHEN WE DO HAVE A FUNDED PROJECT OUR LAND MANAGEMENT FOLKS TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE DO OUR JOB TO RESERVE IT. >> THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. I PROBABLY HAVE SOME FOLLOW-UP. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE DESIGNATED SPEAKER . IF YOU ARE THE DESIGNATED SPEAKER PLEASE COME UP. YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS JERRY WILLIS, 'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY SISTER. >> CALLED ON. ONE SECOND. IS THIS THE DESIGNATED SPEAKER? I HAD A DIFFERENT NAME. >> DESIGNATED SPEAKER HAS 25 PEOPLE THAT ARE PETITIONED TO LET HIM SPEAK FOR IT THEM . >> YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN JUST A FEW MINUTES TO SPEAK. YOU CAN BE THE FIRST. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. >> I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN INCREASE IN TIME. I TALKED [04:10:01] WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY 15 MINUTES. I DO REPRESENT QUITE A FEW PEOPLE. IT IS A 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION. >> I CAN HEAR YOU AND I HEARD YOUR REQUEST. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL SPEAK SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE STICK TO 10 MINUTES IF YOU COULD TRY? >> HE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GET TO 15. 10 WAS FOR THE ATTORNEY IN THE PREVIOUS ONE. WE TOLD HIM 15 MINUTES. >> I WILL DO MY BEST. >> IF YOU COULD SPEAK INTO THE MIC. GREAT. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY AND SHARE A MAJOR CONCERN THE RESIDENTS HAVE IN LONGWOOD DRIVE. I THINK I IDENTIFIED MYSELF I DON'T KNOW IF I IDENTIFIED MY ADDRESS. THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED A NUMBER OF APPLICABLE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THIS EVALUATION OF THIS PROPOSAL. TWO OF THEM RELATE TO THOSE ON THE BOARD BASICALLY TO TRAFFIC. WITHOUT READING THEM IN DETAIL T BASICALLY SAYS APPROVAL OF REZONING SHOULD NOT OCCUR WHEN THERE IS INCOMPATIBLE IMPACT RELATED TO TRAFFIC . WE HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO REVIEW THE TRAFFIC STUDY . WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT YET. AN EXCELLENT JOB, WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF INFORMATION AND COORDINATION WITH STAFF IN REVIEWING THAT. THE ISSUES WE ARE FACING RELATE TO U.S. ONE . TABLE 2 FROM THAT REPORT SHOWS A DEFICIENCY ON SEVERAL LINKS NORTH OF WILDWOOD DRIVE WHERE IT IS NOT CURRENTLY , THE DEFICIENCY IS 103 TO 113 PERCENT -- >> CAN WE LOADED UP MORE ? >> YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE THREE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED LINKS , WILDWOOD TO COUNTY ROAD FIVE A IS 112%. HIGHEST IS NEARLY 120% . THANK YOU. THESE ARE NOT OUR NUMBERS. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT SUBMITTED FOR THIS PROJECT. THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ELEMENT FOR THE 2025 PLAN IS EXPLAINING U.S. ONE IN THE SECTIONS NOT CURRENTLY SIX LANES NORTH OF WILDWOOD DRIVE. IN THE COUNTY PROJECT LIST IT SAYS IT WAS DUE IN 2015 BUT IS UNFUNDED. WHEN WE SAY UNFUNDED IT IS LIKE EVERYBODY HAS JUST FORGOTTEN IT. THERE'S NO PLANNING, THERE'S NO LONG-RANGE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN , IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE SO WE ARE NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO IT. WE DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY LOOK AT ONE OF THE EXHIBITS FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY THIS WAS USED WITH THEIR DIVERSION ANALYSIS BUT LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON U.S. 1. OVER 75,000 VEHICLES A DAY. THAT IS MORE THAN DOUBLE THE TRAFFIC THERE TODAY. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 2034. TRAFFIC HAS BEEN GROWING ON U.S. ONE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER RECENT YEARS AND WHEN WE LOOK AT REZONINGS WE ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT . I WANT TO FOCUS FOR A MINUTE ON YOUR STANDARDS THAT ARE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IN THE URBAN AREA OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY [04:15:08] LEVEL SERVICE D IS NORMAL STANDARD BUT IN THE CASE OF US 1 BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTIES AND TIME LAG OF GETTING SIX LANES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED LEVEL SERVICE E. YOU'LL SEE THERE IS AN ASTERISK ON THAT AND A FOOTNOTE ON THE ASTERISK . IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I WILL READ IT TO YOU. IT SAYS SHALL BE EVALUATED AT THE TIME OF THE SIX LANE AND CONSTRUCTION OF THIS QUARTER TO BRING LEVEL SERVICE TO ADOPTED STANDARDS. AT THAT TIME THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE . WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT 120% OVER THE LEVEL OF SERVICE E STANDARD THAT MAKES IT LEVEL OF SERVICE AFTER. THAT MAKES IT LIKE A BACK LOG ROAD. ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SPOKE OF THAT A LITTLE WHILE AGO. THE POLICY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS TO ALLOW 10% INCREASE OVER THE BASELINE ON A BACK LOG ROAD. WE'RE LOOKING ALREADY AT EXISTING WITH THIS TRAFFIC BEING 120%. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE ROAD . I WILL TRY TO WORK ON THIS THING. THIS IS BASICALLY THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ABOUT 60% OF THIS CUT THROUGH ROADWAY IS GOING TO BE THE NEW ROADWAY PROPOSED. ABOUT 40% OF THAT IS WATSON ROAD. THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS BEING PROPOSED FOR WATSON ROAD EXCEPT FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE WHICH IS GREAT. NOT CONDEMNING THAT AT ALL. WE ARE ADDING TRAFFIC TO A ROAD THAT IS ALREADY EFFICIENT. IT'S GOING TO FUNCTION LIKE A ROADWAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT DESIGN CONDITION. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DIVERSION OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THIS VERY LARGE VOLUME THAT IS FORECAST ON U.S. ONE. WHETHER OR NOT THAT VOLUME ACTUALLY OCCURS IS QUESTIONABLE BUT THE FACT IT WAS SO HEAVILY LOADED WHEN THIS DIVERSION ANALYSIS WAS UNDERTAKEN IT PUSHES TRAFFIC OVER TO THAT ROADWAY. PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE ROADWAY. WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS. THIS IS A PICTURE OF WATSON ROAD IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION. HERE IS THE PROBLEM . THE TRAFFIC STUDY CORRECTLY SHOWS 59% OF TRAFFIC FROM THIS PROJECT AND MOST OTHERS IN THE AREA GO UP AND DOWN U.S. ONE. THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. WE ARE SAYING IS WE ARE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT AT ALL. WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS LITTLE SECTION SOUTH. WE HAVE HEARD THE REST OF THE LAND OUT TO THE WEST IS NOT GOING TO BE A CONCERN BECAUSE OF REVISIONS BUT THAT BIG PUD BLOB OUT THERE IS STILL PUD. IT ONCE WAS APPROVED FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THAT CAN BE SET BY THIS PROJECT FOR WHAT WILL COME NEXT . IF THERE IS NO SOLUTION ON U.S. ONE WE CONTINUE WITH THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEM. I WANT TO MENTION OUR SUBDIVISION IS RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE TWO WAYS TO GET TO THE MAIN DESTINATIONS. ONE IS BY 207. ONE IS BY WILDWOOD AND UP U.S. ONE. 207 IS A HUGE PROBLEM. IT'S GOT EFFICIENCIES PROJECTED OF 131 TO 151%, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN FORECAST FOR SIX LANE, NOT IN ANY PLAN BUT THE REZONINGS AND APPROVALS ALONG 207 HAS MADE THAT ROAD VERY DIFFICULT AND IT'S GOING TO BE TERRIBLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS NORTH OF WILDWOOD DRIVE, U.S. ONE HAS PROBLEMS BEING MADE WORSE BY [04:20:03] THIS PROPOSAL AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS IT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT THE COST, WHAT WE GET , WHAT ABOUT US 1 IN THE FUTURE AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? I'M USING NUMBERS THAT CAME FROM THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENTATION I REVIEWED. I CAN'T RESPOND TO WHAT I HEARD TODAY. $20 MILLION WAS THE ROUND NUMBER INCLUDING RIGHT-OF-WAY ESTIMATES THAT WOULD BE FUNDED LITERALLY BY IMPACT FEES . AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND I CAN BE CORRECTED IF I'M WRONG BUT AS I READ THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT THE FUNDS BEYOND THE PROPORTION SHARED THAT IS THE OBLIGATION WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. HE BASICALLY ARE TAKING $20 MILLION, TYING IT UP ON THIS ROAD AND MAKING NOTHING AVAILABLE FOR US 1 . YOU GET A TWO LANE COLLECTOR TYING INTO A DEFICIENT WATSON ROAD, YOU PUT PRESSURE , YOU HAVE PRESSURE TO UPGRADE TO FIND FUNDS FOR THAT AND YOU HAD A POSSIBLE INCREASE FOR PEDESTRIAN ISSUES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PROVIDED FOR ON WATSON ROAD. US 1, YOU'VE GOT A POSSIBLE LIMITED DIVERSION AT WILDWOOD WHICH IS HELPFUL. THERE IS NO IMPROVEMENT TO THE SECTIONS NORTH AND NO PLAN . FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS A DELAY IN AVAILABLE IMPACT FEES SO IF YOU TIE UP BECAUSE OF CREDITS THE ADDITIONAL $12 MILLION YOU CAN'T APPLY IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THERE IS CONCURRENT FAILURE. WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IF YOU ARE WILLING TO RECEIVE THEM FROM US FROM YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO DELAY THE APPROVAL OR ANY OTHER IN THIS AREA TO A FEASIBLE PLAN FOR EXPLAINING U.S. ONE. IT IS NOT OKAY TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. THERE COULD BE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS DONE. THERE COULD BE EVALUATION DONE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COST IS. WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST FORGET THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S A BIG ELEPHANT AND WE KNOW HOW YOU HAVE TO EAT AN ELEPHANT , ONE BITE AT A TIME. THE FIRST BITE IS TO HAVE A PLAN. I WOULD ASK YOU THEN TO CONSIDER USING THE $20 MILLION OF UPCOMING IMPACT FEES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS TO HELP FUND U.S. ONE. MAYBE IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION BUT CONSIDER A STAGED IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT IS BASED ON AVAILABLE FUNDING AND CONSIDER REGULAR ACCESS FOR OSCEOLA LAKES TO AVOID TYING UP ALL THOSE IMPACT FEES WITH THE BUILDING THE COLLECTOR. AS IT RELATES TO WORKFORCE HOUSING I APPLAUD WHAT THIS COUNTY IS DOING, WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. REMEMBER WHEN WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS PEOPLE BUYING WORKFORCE HOUSING ARE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. THEY HAVE LOTS OF TIME, LOSS OF OPERATING COST , LOSS OF SAFETY , THERE IS BIG LOSSES THAT COME FROM POORLY OPERATED ROADWAYS AND WE CAN'T IGNORE THEM. I AND GOING TO SKIP A COUPLE THINGS I DID SUBMIT TO YOU IN YOUR PACKAGES. YOU HAVE THAT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. ONE THING IS THE VALUATION OF LAND. WE ARE BASICALLY SAYING THE LAND IS GOING TO BE BASED ON THE FUTURE, THE FUTURE LAND USE AS OPPOSED TO THE EXISTING LAND USE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GIVING THE APPLICANT -- YOU KNOW HOW YOU NORMALLY DO IT BUT IT WOULD SEEM THAT WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY IS A FIXED VALUE AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO DEDICATE THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY TO YOU IT OUGHT TO BE AT THE CURRENT VALUE AND THEN INCREASED VALUE. I SAVED ONE MINUTE. IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS . >> ALL RIGHT. NOW WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. BEFORE ANYBODY COMES UP I WOULD LIKE FOR ANYBODY WANTING TO SPEAK, WE [04:25:04] HAVE THREE PODIUMS IN WHICH YOU CAN SPEAK AT. PLEASE LINE UP. PLEASE LINE UP AT EACH PODIUM AND WE WILL TAKE TURNS FROM THERE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF REPEAT COMMENTS AND CONCERNS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING AS TO NOT WASTE EVERYBODY'S TIME. WE WILL HAVE HEARD IT AT SOME POINT MULTIPLE TIMES. SIR, COME UP TO THIS PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> SHE WROTE A LETTER. I BELIEVE YOU ALL WILL HAVE A COPY OF IT. HER LETTER IS VERY SHORT. DEAR PLANNING AND ZONING , MY NAME IS HEATHER CARRINGTON . 137250 -- 0000 FOR THE PAST 37 YEARS. I PURCHASED A 6.4 ACRES WITH THE HOPES OF ONE DAY BUILDING MY FOREVER HOME THE PROBLEM IS TO TO AND FROM MY PROPERTY TO AN EXISTING PUBLIC COUNTY ROAD. IN THE PAST THE OWNERS OF YOUNG'S ESTATES IS ALLOWED ACCESS OVER EXISTING DIRT ROADS AND PROMISED TO GIVE ME LEGAL ACCESS AT SUCH TIME THEY DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. NOW IS THE TIME. THE PROPOSED LAKES DEVELOPMENT ENCOMPASSES MY PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH, NORTH AND EAST SIDES OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE PROMISED TO PROVIDE ME WITH INGRESS AND EGRESS TO EITHER PROPOSED EXTENSION ON WATSON ROAD BY WEIGHT OF THE USE OF PAVED ROADWAYS PLANNED WITH LAKES DEVELOPMENT . I WANTED TO ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT I BROKE MY BACK AND WILL BE HAVING SURGERY NEXT WEEK. I WOULD THEREFORE APPRECIATE IT IF ANY APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE COULD BE CONTINGENT UPON THE DEVELOPER PROVIDING ME WITH ACCESS AS OUTLINED IN THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH. THE LADY WHEN SHE SHOWED THE SITE MAP IT DID SHOW SHE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO HER PROPERTY , HOWEVER IT'S NEVER BEEN PUT IN WRITING SHE HAS LEGAL ACCESS AND THAT'S ALL SHE'S ASKING FOR. >> THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL MCDONALD. THIS IS THE REASON I'M RUNNING FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND I WANT TO THANK YOU , THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO THE PZA MEETING AND I'M THRILLED WE HAVE SOMEBODY PRESENTING THE COMMENTS LIKE YOU. I APPLAUD YOU. THE ONLY THING I SEE IN PRESENTATION TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT AND IF IT'S US IS WATER PRESSURE AND GETTING NEW RESIDENCE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVE TO WHATEVER THEY HAVE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE $90,000 IN THIS COMMUNITY ISN'T GRANTING PEOPLE THE BENEFIT TO GO INTO A COOKIE-CUTTER COMMUNITY THERE POTENTIALLY GOING TO HAVE TO PAYA FEES OUT. YOU'RE INVITING THE WORKFORCE INTO HOA. YOU'RE PUTTING THEM ON THE LINE FOR AN EXORBITANT FEE. AT 30% THAT IS NOT REALLY THE QUOTABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT. IF YOU WANT TO SAY WORKFORCE HOUSING AND USE IT ON ANY PLATFORM YOU HAVE GET MORE THAN 30% AND GIVE IT MORE THAN FIVE YEARS. THAT IS YOU LOOKING TO GET INTO OUR COMMUNITY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY AND TO GIVE US THIS $70 MILLION TO BUILD THEIR ROADS WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM IMPACT FEE CREDITS . ALL THEIR MONEY STAYS ON THEIR PROPERTY. THERE WAS ONE SLIDE PRESENTING A LIGHT , IS THAT GOING TO COME? THAT HAS TO COME. COMING OFF OF CARTER ROAD YOU CANNOT GET OFF EITHER WAY. THERE IS NO EASE IN THE AMOUNT OF CONGESTION TO TRANSITION YOUR WAY OFF THE HIGHWAY. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT IT AT THE RATE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OFF THAT. THE PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE TAKING THE SHORTCUT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE SUPPOSEDLY A SHORTCUT BUT IF THERE'S NOT A STOP LIGHT IT WILL BE A MAJOR COLLECTION. IF YOU PUT A STOP LIGHT YOU TRIGGER ALL SORTS OF HINDRANCES BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY ANOTHER STOPLIGHT COMING AT THE SCHOOL THEY ARE PROPOSED TO BUILD. NOW THERE IS TO STOP LIGHTS. OUR CONGESTION IS GOING TO AMPLIFY. THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE MORE NEGATIVELY [04:30:02] AFFECT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU THAT MUCH LONGER AND THIS IS 600 HOUSES. THIS WHOLE ENTIRE AREA SHOULD BE AFFECTED. THIS IS A HUGE IMPACT TO OUR AREA. THIS IS GOING TO BIRDER US 1 BECAUSE THERE'S A SMALL TRAIN TO GET ON TO WATSON. EVERY BIT OF THIS IS NO. WORKFORCE HOUSING IS NEEDED BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AT MORE THAN 30%. I WOULD GRATEFULLY BE SPEAKING UP HERE IF IT WAS MORE THAN 30% TWO YEARS. LET'S HAVE SOME REASONABLE THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY THE COMMUTE PEOPLE CAN GET THROUGH THERE. >> MY NAME IS NANCY, I MET 131 LANE. I'M REPRESENTING THE BOARD OF THE PRESERVE IT. WE ARE LOCATED ACROSS FROM TREATY PARK ON WILDWOOD DRIVE. I WALK THAT ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY TWICE A DAY. I RUN ACROSS DESPERATELY TRYING TO NOT GET KILLED. MY DOG WAS HIT THERE TWO YEARS AGO AND INJURED BADLY AND I WAS TWO, I KNOW WHAT THAT ROAD IS. THIS TRAFFIC REPORT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE SEGMENT FROM 2007 TO DEAR CHASE. THE COUNTY COUNTERS FROM OCTOBER 2023 SHOW THERE IS 12,186 TRIPS FROM THAT SEGMENT TO U.S. 207. HE RECENTLY APPROVED A CHARTER SCHOOL WHICH IS GOING TO ALLOW ANOTHER TRIPS A DAY IN THAT CORRIDOR AND NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER ALMOST 5000 TRIPS A DAY. ANYONE GOING NORTH TO I-95 IS GOING TO BE ON THAT CORRIDOR AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT EVERY SUBDIVISION ON THAT ROAD. IT IS A TWO LANE ROAD NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT. THERE IS NOT ANY PLANS TO DO ANY OF TRADES. I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE COUNTY. I DID SOME PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST ON THE SCHOOLS AND NUMBERS THAT I HEARD ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE INFORMATION I GOT. CURRENTLY, WD HARTLEY HAS 149 SEATS AVAILABLE. OTIS MASON HAS NONE. GIMBEL ROGERS HAS 23 AND MENENDEZ HAS 31. THAT IS 203 SEATS AT, LET'S SAY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS 2.9 PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD . LET'S SAY .9 PEOPLE TIMES 640 YOU ARE LOOKING AT 576 STUDENTS NOW. 200 SEATS, 576 STUDENTS . TRAFFIC IS A HUGE ISSUE . UP TO OAK LANE HEADING EAST, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. THE BIKE LANES ARE IN VERY POOR CONDITION. ANY PEDESTRIAN OR BY CYCLIST TAKES THEIR LIFE IN THEIR OWN HANDS. I AM A REALTOR. WORKFORCE HOUSING IS CRITICAL . THEY HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH PLANNING. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR CARE. WHEN SOMEONE BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS. THEY KNEW THAT ZONING WAS ONE UNIT PER ACRE, THEY KNEW THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE WAS TWO UNITS PER ACRE. I URGE YOU TO NOT GIVE THE MAXIMUM . I THINK THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO OR ASK FOR A DELAY WHEN THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. >> I LIVE AT 4101 . I THINK YOU HAVE A LEGAL AND MORAL OBLIGATIN FOR REZONING DOWN IT'S SUPPOSED TO GUIDE YOUR WORK. IT SAYS IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE FOR ORDERLY INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT. TRANSITIONING ] [04:35:23] TO RIDE HARD TO AND RESIDENTIAL RESULTS COULD BE DEVASTATING. IF THIS LAND IS CLEARED IT WILL DO THAT DAMAGE TO THE CREEK . THE PORTION OF WATSON ROAD THAT IS THE STATION -- THE FAMOUS PORTION BETWEEN THE WEST AND AND IT STOPS ACTUALLY JUST A FEW FEET FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE BAR SUBDIVISION. IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FINAL NORTHWEST CORNER OF OUR SUBDIVISION WHERE WE TURN NORTH AND GO THROUGH WILDWOOD. IT ENDS LONG BEFORE THAT AND I NEVER HEARD ANYONE IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION ABOUT WHAT THEY WILL DO. THE OTHER TO CONSIDER WITH THAT STRETCH OF ROAD IS THERE IS ALSO A CULVERT THERE [04:40:03] THAT HEATS A LOT OF THAT WHETHER -- WATER THAT COMES ALONG WATSON ROAD FROM EAST TO WEST TO THAT OTHER THAT RUNS NORTH TO THE EMPTYING POINT OF MOSER CREEK . WHAT WILL THEY DO WITH THAT ? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY PLANS AS TO HOW THEY WILL ADDRESS THAT -- STRETCH OF LAND AS WELL. TAKING INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL WATSON ROAD WHEN IT HITS THE RAILROAD TRACKS GOING EAST OFTEN TIMES AS A TRAIN IT STOPS BECAUSE THERE'S A SPECIAL LITTLE TRACKS SECTION THERE JUST NORTH OF WATSON ROAD AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS FOR THE UNLOAD ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS AND SO THE TRAIN STOPS SOMETIMES FOR 10 OR 15 MINUTES. YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 55% MORE CARS TO THIS CUT THROUGH . IT WILL GET STOPPED AT THAT RAILROAD TRACK A COUPLE OF TIMES PER DAY AND THEN YOU WILL CONTINUE ALONG WATSON ROAD, U.S.-1 AND AND I AGREE WITH THE RIGHT TURN LANE, BUT THAT DOES NOT SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS WATSON ROAD WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS IS 17 FEET WIDE , THAT'S BARELY TWO CARS . IF YOU HAVE A TRUCK TO COME DOWN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE SIDE OF THE GRAPH AND LET IT GO BY YOU AND I AGAIN DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR THE MOST AND WE ASK YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS PROJECT AS IT IS PRESENTED TODAY. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS SHAWN HESS. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF WILDWOOD AREA 2001. WE KNOW THAT OUR WORKFORCE, ESPECIALLY FIREFIGHTERS AND TEACHERS , NEED HOUSING. I ALSO HEAR CLEARLY THAT 70% IS NOT INAUDIBLE ] THAT'S NOT HELPING WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT'S DRIVING MARKET PRICES UP. NOT A BENEFIT WITH COMMUNITY OR A LONG TERM BENEFIT TO THE WORKFORCE. I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF THE DEVELOPER WAS REALLY SERIOUS CREATE 70% WORKFORCE HOUSING INSTEAD OF JUST 192 UNITS WHICH WOULD BE HELPFUL, WHICH WOULD MAKE A SERIOUS IMPACT TOWARDS OUR WORKFORCE WHO DO NEED HOUSING. I ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT WE KEEP HEARING THAT WE ARE OVER CAPACITY DID . IN OUR ROADS AND SCHOOLS , MY SON GOES TO MENENDEZ NEXT YEAR. THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD PUSH MENENDEZ OVER CAPACITY, BUT WE HAVE NO EXIT PLAN FOR THIS. WE PUT THESE HOUSES IN AND CARS ON THE ROAD AND SEND THE KIDS TO SCHOOL AND IT STAYS OVERCROWDED AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR WHY WILDWOOD . MENENDEZ -- BUILDING ANOTHER SCHOOL AT THE END OF THE COUNTY. WE HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES. IF A NEW DEVELOPMENT REALLY DOES INCREASE THE WATER FLOW AND CONTINUE TO ROADS THE GENTLEMAN'S HOUSE THAT JUST SPOKE , HE CONTINUES TO LOSE PROPERTY , MORE ASSESSMENTS , WITH THE DEVELOPER BE ABLE TO TAKE ON ALL DRAINAGE TO WILDWOOD PITUITARY OR TO THEIR HOME IS IN SASE -- HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WITH A ACCEPT THAT ? CERTAINLY WE ARE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU MOVE TO FLORIDA YOU ACCEPT IT AT SOME POINT, HOWEVER I HOPE YOU ARE HEARING FROM THE RESIDENCE BECAUSE TRAVELING AND CAPACITY [04:45:05] REALLY IS AN ISSUE HERE. WE ARE STRUGGLING IN THE GENUINE SPOKE ABOUT THE BLIND CORNER. HE'S NOT LYING. THE TRAFFIC COMES AROUND. THANK YOU. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS JOANNE BARNES. I RESIDE RIGHT OFF OF WILDWOOD. I HEARD SOME WONDERFUL COMMENTS FROM MANY INDIVIDUALS TODAY AND I WAS VERY SORRY THAT I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS MEETING TODAY THIS MORNING. SO I HAVE A FEW NOTES AND I THINK MOSTLY QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE WAS ANSWERED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE GENERATED TO THE WEST OF WHERE THIS REPOSE ROAD , WATSON ROAD WILL BE IMPACTED THEN SOMEONE MENTIONED A GENTLEMAN OR THE LADY MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD TREATED WATER THAT WOULD GO INTO THE DRAINAGE DITCH AND THEN TO MOULTRIE CREEK , HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT ON SEWER AND SO THAT KIND OF WATER WILL JUST MAGNIFY THE PROBLEM. SO THEN I MOVED RECENTLY FROM MIAMI DADE COUNTY WHERE I HAD LIVED IN SUBURBIA FOR 40 YEARS AND I HAD NEVER SEEN A SIGN THAT SAID ROAD UNDERWATER AND I DID SEE THAT WILDWOOD RIGHT IN FRONT OF ANDALUSIA A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO AND IF THAT IS A PROBLEM NOW, WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE WITH AN ADDITIONAL 650 UNITS ? AND THE OTHER THING IS YOU MAY BE ABLE TO WRITE IN WILDWOOD, HOWEVER YOU CANNOT PUT A HIGH TENSION LINE ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH'S CASE THERE TO ALLOW A WIDENING OF THAT ROAD AT ALL TIME . I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> CORONADO SUBDIVISION AND I AM ON THE H AWAY BOARD , SO WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS EROSION WITH THE END OF THE DITCH THAT RECEIVES ALL OF THE STORM WATER SOUTH OF WILDWOOD OUR STORMWATER GOES INTO OUR POND AND THEN OUT , THAT'S ABOUT HUNDRED FEET FROM MOULTON CREEK SO WE USE ABOUT 100 FEET OF THE DITCH JUST PRIOR TO IT GOING INTO THE CREEK. HOWEVER, WE HAVE THE PLEASURE BEING THE OWNERS OF THAT DITCH RIGHT THERE. MINUS A FEW FEET THAT THE COUNTY OWNS. SO WE ARE RESPONSIBLE AND WE HAVE INCURRED SOME MAJOR EROSION RECENTLY AND WE ARE LOOKING AT -- VERY SMALL SUBDIVISION OF ONLY 94 HOMES . SO FAR WE ONLY HAVE ESTIMATES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL PLAN, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT AND THE ENGINEERS , COUNTY AND WHOEVER ELSE HAS JURISDICTION WHICH IS SURPRISING HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO TO GET SOMETHING DONE ON PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN, HOWEVER WE ARE TRYING NOW TO GET PERMISSION TO REPAIR THIS DITCH AND IT'S BEEN A TASK . WE WOULD LIKE TO FOR OUR HOMES TO MAKE -- REMAIN AFFORDABLE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR OUR HOMES TO REMAIN AFFORDABLE AS WELL BUT THIS DITCH CURRENTLY MAY BE COSTING US TO TO -- 2000 TO 5000 YOU CAN IMAGINE OUR CONCERNS WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT BRINGING MORE STORMWATER FOR IMPERMEABLE FORCES , DRAINING MORE WATER INTO THAT DITCH AND IS JUST GOING TO BE INSURMOUNTABLE WE ARE CONCERNED IT WILL BE [04:50:03] INSURMOUNTABLE. TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND DO THE REPAIRS REQUIRED AND SO FORTH. SO I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING IF YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE AS TO HOW WE CAN EAT IT THIS DITCH TO THE COUNTY WE ARE OPEN TO HEAR IT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON , I LIVE AT 251 DEERFIELD PLACE . WHAT IF THE AREA IN QUESTION HAS BEEN LEVELED , WHAT IS LEFT TO HELP PROTECT THE AREA THROUGH HURRICANES OR STORMS ? MATURE NATIVE -- ABSORBS 880 GALLONS PER DAY . WILLOWS ALMOST SIX TO 800 GALLONS PER DAY. THESE TREES ARE GOD'S WAY OF BALANCING NATURE. ALSO NATIVE GRASSES SUPPORT BIODIVERSITY BY PROVIDING POLLEN SOURCES AND THEY ALSO CLEANER AIR AND PROVIDE NESTING MATERIAL, NESTING SITES AND FOOD FOR BIRDS AND SMALL ANIMALS. WHERE DO THESE ANIMALS GO WHEN THEIR HOMES ARE DESTROYED ? THESE PLANTS AND ANIMALS VASTLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE HEALTH OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. ALL FLORIDA'S NATIVE PLANTS WORK NATURALLY TOGETHER TO REDUCE FLOODING AND ADD A HEALTHY BIODIVERSITY IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND ONE MORE THING TO ADD A MATH ISSUE. STATE OF FLORIDA HAS AN AVERAGE OF 2.4 VEHICLES PER HOUSEHOLD. THAT WOULD MEAN AN ADDITIONAL 1536 CARS IN THE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY CONGESTED DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY. THAT'S NOT EVEN TO MENTION THE ADDITIONAL TRUCKS AND CARS THAT ARE NOT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED TO REALIZE THAT SAFETY WHEN INUNDATED WITH SO MANY PEOPLE IN MARNE ARE ROADS -- MINOR ROADS DROPS CONSIDERABLY THEREFORE PROPERTY THERE IN 2015 I WAS INFORMED AT THAT TIME THAT WATSON ROAD WAS GOING TO STAND ON THE OUT TO WILDWOOD. THIS LAND WAS RESERVED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD. AFFORDABLE HOUSING I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT I JUST OBJECT TO THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT WE PLAN TO SQUEEZE INTO AN AREA OF WETLANDS AND WILDLIFE. WATSON ROAD IS NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE THAN WHAT IT HAS TODAY. THE DEVELOP IS ONLY UPDATING WATSON ROAD TO ABOUT PROBABLY DEERFIELD FOREST DRIVE. WATSON ROAD WILL NAME REMAIN A NORMAL ROAD WITH THE DRAINAGE DITCH ON INSIDE ALSO OFF OF WATSON ROAD IS THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO LOAD AND UNLOAD. WILL THEY BE USING THIS AS A NEW CUT THROUGH THAT CAN BE A CUT THROUGH FOR A 18 YEARS . THE HOMES OF WATSON ROAD HAVE ASKED VARIANCE FLOODING IN THE PAST. THE PROBLEM MAY INCREASE. I DO NOT SUPPOSE -- SUPPORT ANY INCREASE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE WIDENED AND LEFT HAND TURN LANE, NOT RIGHT HAND TURN LANE, ONE OR TWO CARS MIGHT TURN RIGHT BUT MOST TURN LEFT. THAT [04:55:05] BACKS UP EVERY MORNING. THAT NEEDS TO BE ALL FIXED. RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA BE FIXED FOR A LONG TIME . THANKS FOR LISTENING. >> MY NAME IS NANCY ROSSEN . I LIVE AT 4024 PINE ROAD CIRCLE I SHARE AN ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE WITH THIS PROJECT AND AS SUCH AND ONE OF THE 10 HOMES THAT IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT . I HAVE KNOWN FOR YEARS THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED SO WHY YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER ME -- I'M NOT . IF THE PLAN IS RESPONSIBLE DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE AND IF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS AFFORDABLE. JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS PROJECT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE NOT COMMUNITY MINDED AND THAT WE DON'T LOVE OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. AND SO ALSO AT THE RISK OF WASTING YOUR TIME WITH SOMEONE SAID WE MIGHT, THIS WILL BE REDUNDANT, AS AN APO ADJOINING PROPERTY THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY AND THE DOCTOR SPOKE TO THIS ELOQUENTLY AND I WILL TRY TO GET THROUGH IT QUICKLY. THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2023 SPOKE REPEATEDLY TO THE PRESENT TYPES WHICH ARE "RARELY POORLY DRAINED " AND "FREQUENTLY FLOODED." AT THAT TIME THERE WAS THERE HUNDRED AND 36 TREES -- 336 TREES PER ACRE. THIS HAS RESULTED IN FLOODING. OBVIOUSLY THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS PROJECT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE ISSUE. THE AREA IS ABUNDANT WITH DEER, TURKEY, WILD BOAR AS WELL AS TORTOISE WHICH ARE NOT NATIVE AND ARE ENDANGERED. THE MAIN SAND AT NIGHT ARE THE -- THE POPULATION OF WHICH HAS PLUMMETED BY 58 PERCENT DUE TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THEIR HABITAT AS A RESULT OF BUILDING. ANYWAY IT WILL BE MORE NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION. I HAVE AGREE WITH THOSE WHO HAVE SAID IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE. AND THE INCREASE IN THE BUFFER IS GREATLY APPRECIATED BUT IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR THE PROPERTIES ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US DIRECTLY AFFECT DID. WE WANTED A SALES TAX INCREASE ALSO JUST REAL QUICK AT THE END, IT HAS BEEN BAD OPTICS TO BE AWAKENED BY DRONES FLYING OVER MY PROPERTY. THEY CLEARED THE LAND AND I HAVE -- IN MY BACKYARD. ALL THESE ARE BAD OPTICS. ESPECIALLY TO THOSE OF US REALLY BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS SUSAN AIR WOULD AND I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF WILDWOOD IN CORNER ROAD AND IT IS ALREADY HORRIBLE. PEOPLE SIT THERE WAITING ON THEIR CHILDREN AND WE SIT AND WAIT FOR THE KIDS TO WALK AND GET ON THE BUS SO ALREADY A PROBLEM THERE AT THAT PLACE AND IF YOU PUT A REDLINE MY MOTHER'S DRIVEWAY SNOW RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE THE DITCH IS IS CAROLINE ROAD AND I HAVE TO GO OVER THERE BECAUSE SHE'S 90 YEARS OLD AND TAKE CARE OF HER AND WHEN I GO OVER CAN'T GET ACROSS THE ROAD SO IT'S HORRIBLE. IT'S JUST THE WORST AND THE WORST THING FOR EVERYBODY IS TO SAY WE COULD HAVE A HURRICANE, WE COULD HAVE A FIRE. WE HAVE HAD ALL THE LIGHT POLES TAKEN OUT . [05:00:07] THAT WAS OUR TORNADO THAT HIT. WE WILL HAVE PROBLEMS AND FIRES . PUTTING ALL THOSE PEOPLE DOWN THERE THAT HAVE SERVICE THEY COME THERE TO RESCUE PEOPLE IN CAR WRECKS, 95 THEY GO OUT THERE AND THE THOROUGHFARE IS WILDWOOD ENOUGH HOW THEY GO IN THERE SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IT'S FOR US TO LIVE THERE WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM . WE ALREADY HAVE ANDALUSIA, ART WOOD, GOVERNORS PLACE, PRAIRIE CREEK AND ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE -- THANK YOU. >> WE HAD A PARTY ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO AND DISCUSSED THE MUSEUM. ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER THE DEVELOPER WENT THROUGH THE 640 WEST . GOING TO AND 70% TO WILDWOOD. WE ALREADY HAD A TREATY OAKS WILD HOOD -- WILDWOOD AND WE ARE BUILDING ANOTHER 300 HOUSES. WE WILL PUT A CHILD CARE CENTER AND NOW WE WILL ADD 640 -- YOU WILL PUT ANOTHER 2000 CARS FROM WILDWOOD TO THE 207 STOP WAY ? PLEASE, NO. YOU WILL AND A TOTAL OF 3002 WILDWOOD. DOESN'T SEEM LIKE EVERYONE HAS -- ANYONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE AVERAGE INCOME OF A NEWLY STARTING FIREFIGHTER IS $50,000. THE FACT THAT THEIR STARTING COST OF THEIR LOW INCOME HOUSING IS $267,000 AND THEY EVEN STATED IN THEIR OWN SLIDE THAT WOULD BE $97,000 IS ONLY 30% AND IS THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY CAN CHARGE. AND IT ONLY SERVES AS A LABEL FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. THIS IS A JOKE. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS DENISE SIMS. I LIVE AT 4008 CIRCLE AND MY [05:05:07] HOUSE IS ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT. I AM ONE OF THE 10 HOUSES THAT WILL BE PRINTED AT AREA I HAVE BEEN PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND PART OF WILDWOOD DRIVE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I HUSBAND AND I JUST BOUGHT THE HOUSE TWO WEEKS AGO. I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THIS PROJECT WAS TOLD BY OUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT IT. WE HAVE LIVED IN GEORGIA FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS AND CAME BACK TO SAINT JAN BECAUSE I MISS MY CHILDREN I MISSED SAINT AUGUSTINE SO MUCH. WHEN I CAME ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS THE BEAUTIFUL TOWN THAT IT WAS. WE COULD GO DOWN TO SAINT AUGUSTINE AND WATCH THE NIGHT OF LIGHTS. YOU COULD SIT INTO THE NIGHT AND I WOULD HAVE LUNCH WITH MY MOM. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO BE. YOU COULD GO DOWN WILDWOOD DRIVE THERE WAS BEAUTIFUL TREES . YOU CAN SEE BIRDS. DEER WOULD COME OUT. I LIVED IN WILDWOOD CREEK FOR A WILD AND THERE WERE DEARS THAT WOULD COME OUT ALL THE TIME. WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS SO GRATEFUL BECAUSE MY HOUSE WAS ONE OF THE ONLY HOUSES AND THAT DEVELOP AS ONE OF THE ONLY HOUSES THAT STILL HAD BEAUTIFUL TREES AND STILL HAD SOME SEMBLANCE OF WHAT SAINT AUGUSTINE WAS AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY TO. IT MAKES ME SICK THAT NOBODY CAN SEE THAT SAINT AUGUSTINE WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND IT HAS BEEN TAKEN. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT OF IT AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BUILD. IT MAKES ME ILL. WHY IS MONEY THE ONLY THING THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE ANY MARK ? THE BEAUTY AND NATURE AND THE THINGS THAT SAINT AUGUSTINE WAS MEANS NOTHING TO ANYBODY ANYMORE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I'M SORRY. >> MY NAME IS TAMMY MORABITO I LIVE AT 573 HALEY ROAD. MY HOUSE IS ALSO IN BACKUP TO THIS PROJECT AND WE LIVE ON A DEAD END ROAD. I HAVE LIVED AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR 17 YEARS. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SAINT AUGUSTINE WAS. I HAD A HIGH LIST OF -- I HAVE ALSO MY MOTHER AND FATHER -- IN 2017 I ALSO HAD TO TAKE MY MOTHER-IN-LAW SO MY ACRE BECAME A HOME FOR FAMILY. I AM A TRUE BELIEVER IN WORKFORCE HOUSING. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A PROBLEM WITH BEING ABLE TO WORK. WE DON'T HAVE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PAY FOR THESE HOMES . CHANGES WITH OUR SYSTEM I CAN SAY THAT THE GROWTH THAT WILL COME WE DO NOT HAVE THE HOMES FOR THEM. THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM -- PROJECT THAT WILL SOLVE THIS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I CAN TAIL YOU -- TELL YOU IT TAKES ME 45 MINUTES TO GET HOME AND SOMETIMES 30 MINUTES TO GET TO WORK. MY HUSBAND IS A FLOOR POWER LINEMAN AND HE SEES IT EVERY DAY AND SEES THE ISSUES. THIS WILL NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. YES, THIS IS IN MY BACKYARD. THIS LOCATION, THAT [05:10:04] LIGHT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE YEARS AGO. I DON'T LIVE ON THAT ROAD BUT MAKING A LAST IS TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS. NOWHERE HAVE I SEEN THE TRAFFIC REPORT SHOW DEATHS OF PEOPLE GETTING KILLED ON U.S. ONE. WE HAVE THREE MEMORIALS ON U.S. WILDWOOD. THREE MEMORIALS ON CHILDREN AND ADULTS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED ON THAT ROAD. THAT'S ALL. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS TIM MARCELLO, I MET 913 DHS DRIVE INAUDIBLE ] OTHER AREAS AND THE TRAFFIC , THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE IT. THEY WILL LEAD TO FRUSTRATION AND ANGER BECAUSE OF A PLACE AS RETIREE AND WORKERS RIGHT NOW TO CHANGE THIS. IT'S GOT TO BE GRADUAL. THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE KEEPS UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. BUILDING ON THIS PROJECT WITHOUT WATER PRESSURE AND WITHOUT WILDLIFE TO CHAOS AND AT THE END EVERYONE WILL LOOSE. PLEASE IN YOUR DECISION-MAKING UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT ABOUT THIS COMPLEX, IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT COMPLEX , IT IS ABOUT THE OVERALL PICTURE AND IN OUR AREA YOU COULD BE WA -- DOUBLING THE POPULATION ALMOST. >> OKAY, TRY NOT TO BE REDUNDANT TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL THAT WENT IN, THEY DON'T HAVE BUSES, OPAQUE ? ALL THOSE PARENTS, AND IT'S A BIG SCHOOL AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS THEY START OFF AT 53,002 83 -- TO 83,000, TEACHERS 26,000 TO 60,000 PER YEAR. THIS 97 WOMEN, THAT'S HARD TO ACHIEVE AND IT PUTS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF THE WORKFORCE. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY SERVING YOUR MEALS AT THE RESTAURANTS IN SUCH. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MOVING PARTS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE LIVE LOCAL 2023 WHERE THEY HAVE GIVEN THE DEVELOPERS 7,000,011 -- 700 MILLION IN TAX BREAKS AND INCENTIVES. ARE THEY PAYING IMPACT PEACE WITH THAT ? WE ARE PAYING WITH IT ANYWAY . IT'S NOT LIKE I'M GOVERNMENT, I'M HERE TO HELP. WE HAVE AIRBNB PLACES THAT HAVE TAKEN THAT GAP. WHEN OLDER PEOPLE DIED A RENAISSANCE WOULD GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH AS DAVID SHORES, YOUNG PEOPLE WOULD COME IN AND REVITALIZE THAT. THEY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING BOUGHT UP BY THE AIRBNB'S. NOT JUST THAT, WE HAVE RENTAL COMPANIES COMING IN AND BUYING UP BRAND-NEW SUBDIVISIONS AND MANIPULATING THE RENTAL MARKET. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN -- AND I SEE THIS. I THOUGHT 2008 WHEN I LOST MY IN RIGHT NEXT TO COMMANDERS AS THE MARKET CRASHED BECAUSE EVERYBODY OVER APPRAISED. THESE ARE CRACKER BOXES THAT THEY ARE INTENDING TO BUILD JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE PINK HOUSES IN ALL THESE HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS. WAIT FOR THE FIRST HURRICANE. THEY ARE STICKS. DON'T GET THE THREE LITTLE PIGS INVOLVES NOW. I WOULD NOT INCREASE THE DENSITY. THE ROADS, WE CANNOT TAKE IT. I GUESS WE SHOULD BE APPRECIATIVE BECAUSE THEY LEFT THE WETLANDS ON THE SITE PLAN. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> I AM GLENN ROBERTS 1024 DEAR [05:15:04] CHASE DRIVE. QUICK COMMENTS. IT IS CLEAR FROM THIS DISCUSSION THAT, LET'S NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT 640 HOUSES IN THE PROPERTY AS BEING COMPATIBLE ROUGHLY 200 TOO MUCH GIVEN THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. I WOULD GO FARTHER THAN JUST ARGUING AGAINST THIS. THINK WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN ON A DECISION ABOUT IT. MORE INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE GATHERED. I DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN DONE. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO BASICALLY THIS IS THE TIME TO PROCEED . NOT THE TIME. OF MY STREET WHICH IS MANY . UNIVERSAL UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A GOOD IDEA MORE HARM THAN GOOD WITH YOUR ACTIONS. THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT THIS PROJECT AS IT IS PROPOSED WOULD DO. IT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONSEQUENCES AND I HOPE THEY TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION . I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY HEALTH I SPECIFICALLY CHOSE A LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS A PEACEFUL, QUIET PLACE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC. AS A HORSE STABLE ACROSS THE STREET AND IT WAS LOVELY. YEARS I HAVE WATCHED A DOZEN HOUSES -- HOUSING PLANT -- PLANT BILL. THIS IS A COUNTY FOR MORE THAN -- THOUSANDS OF MORE CARS IN MY PEACEFUL PLACE HAS TRANSFORMED BEFORE MY EYES. IT IS BOTH A SAD AND A SCARY DURATION AND NEVER USED TO HAVE DEER RUN IN FRONT OF MY CAR. THAT'S THE THING NOW I HAVE A REALLY REAL CONCERN FOR WILDLIFE. [05:30:17] VISION AND LEADERSHIP HAS LED US TO A [05:30:19] PLACE WHERE THIS IS JUST INCOMPATIBLE. I KNOW I AM A BIG [05:30:29] PROPERTY RIGHTS GUY, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE ARE LOSING OUR NATURAL HABITAT AT AN ALARMING RATE THAT IS PUSHING, ESPECIALLY FROM SOUTH FLORIDA, ISSUES INTO NORTH FLORIDA ISSUES EXPERIENCED BEFORE. COMPATIBILITY. THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOVE TO SEE ONE HOUSE PER ACRE OR TWO HOUSES PER ACRE. SCHOOLS. WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH SCHOOLS. SOMEONE WHO HAS VOLUNTEERED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOURS IN OUR SCHOOLS OVER THE LAST 20 OR 25 YEARS AS MY KIDS AND NOW MY GRANDKIDS ARE GROWN-UP. THERE IS A DEFINITE ISSUE FOR THAT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PUSH. THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. THERE IS A HUGE PUSH WITH THE STATE TO CLEAN UP THE RIVER AND HERE WE ARE MAYBE ADDING TO THE PROBLEM. NOW, IF THEY WOULD TIE IN, I KNOW WE ARE WORKING ON 207 RIGHT NOW, THAT WE COULD RECLAIM THAT WATER AND USE IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE. THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD CONSIDERATION. THE RECLAMATION OF THAT WATER IS A BIG CHALLENGE. SO EVEN THOUGH I AM A BIG FAN OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THESE THINGS ARE NEEDED, BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN PUT IN, THIS IS NOT A PROJECT THAT I CAN SUPPORT GOING FORWARD SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE ELSE AT THE PODIUM, WOULD MS. ALINA SMITH LIKE TO RESPOND? >> WE ARE GOING TO START WITH OUR EXPERT IN TRAFFIC. >> GOOD EVENING, MS. BUCKINSON. FOR THE RECORD, ROGER OF NO TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS. TAX CODE FLORIDA, 33216. TRAFFIC AND ESPECIALLY CAPACITIES ON U.S. 1 AND OTHER INTERSECTIONS LIKE GRINGOT ROAD ON 207. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE CAPACITIES ARE NORMAL ON U.S. 1. BASICALLY IF DOD OPTS IN FOR CLASSIFICATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, STAPLER CAPACITIES ON ROADS. THEY RADIO BASICALLY THE CAPACITIES ON ROAD. FOR EXAMPLE, U.S. 1. SOME OF THE LINKS ARE ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE 2022 SPREADSHEET, LOAD CAPACITY WAS 4700, 5300, AND 4900. WITH JUST THEORETICAL CHANGE, THOSE CAPACITIES ARE BROUGHT DOWN TO 3290, 3290, AND 3290. SO ALMOST 42% OF THE ROADWAY CAPACITY. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS. THAT WAY IF THOSE CAPACITIES WERE LEFT ALONE WITHOUT BEING CHANGED, THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT HAVE ADVERSELY IMPACTED THOSE. ALTHOUGH IT IS THE PHYSICAL CHANGE, THE PROJECT IS BEING CARDED ON THOSE LANES. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. ALSO, WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND GRINGOFF AND TO A SEVEN, I KNOW THEY ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNING THAT FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THAT GRINGOFF ROAD , THEY WILL ALL BASICALLY BE RELIEVED WHEN TO A SEVEN IS THERE AT THAT LOCATION. SO THAT IS SOMETHING IN ORDER TO MENTION. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE TEACHERS THAT WORK IN THE LOPE AREA. THEY ARE WORKING HERE BUT COMING FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE. SO IF YOU GIVE THEM AN OPTION TO COME LIVE CLOSE BY, THEY WILL BASICALLY HAVE SHORTER COMMUTES BUT THEY ARE NOT ADDING TO THE TRAFFIC. THEY [05:35:01] ARE BASICALLY REASSIGNING TRAFFIC. THAT CONDITION IS ALREADY THERE. WE FEEL LIKE THIS PROJECT WILL HELP THEM STAY CLOSE TO THE WORKPLACE AND BASICALLY HELP THEM WITH LONG COMMUTES. THAT IS ANOTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION. AND THEN ALSO WE TALK ABOUT THE ROADWAY CAPACITIES AND STUFF. SO IF YOU IMAGINE, INTERSECTIONS ARE CONSIDERED BOTTLENECKS. INTERSECTIONS ARE NOT PERFORMING WELL , YOU WILL SEE A CONDITION ON THE ROADWAY ITSELF AND DOD IS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO IMPROVE INTERSECTIONS IN GENERAL. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PROJECT IS RECOMMENDING ADDING IT RIGHT DOWN RIGHT AND LANE AND WATSON ROAD. THAT IS NOT ONLY GOING TO ADD CAPACITY BUT IT WILL IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE THEY CAN GO TOGETHER. THE EASTBOUND AND THE LEFT BOUND. AND THAT IS GOING TO ADD MORE TIME TO THE U.S. 1 LANES. THAT IS IMPROVING EFFICIENCY AND SAFETY AT THAT INTERSECTION. SO IT IS JUST SMALL IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THOSE THINGS. DOD IS CONSTANTLY WORKING ON SUCH THINGS. U.S. CAPACITY WILL IMPROVE. WITH THOSE BEING SAID, THIS PROJECT ALONE CANNOT FIX ALL PROBLEMS, BUT IT CERTAINLY CAN FIX SOME OF THAT AND THE NEW CORRECTOR, LIKE EVERYONE SAYS, LIKE THE LANE IS GOING TO BROCK THE ROAD AND WHEN THAT LANE IS BLOCKING, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO GET OUT. THIS IS GOING TO ADD . THEN BASICALLY WITH THAT CONNECTION, WHILE YOU ARE ON U.S. 1, THAT IS GOING TO COME DOWN DRAMATICALLY. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE EASTBOUND. THIS NEW ROAD. LEAVING IT TO ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE ON WATSON ROAD. SO THOSE ARE SOME POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE. AND I AM JUST LOOKING AT OTHER ISSUES. YEAH. AND THEN ALSO WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNAL AT GRINGOFF AND 207, TRAFFIC FOR 207 AND WIDEROAD, THEY WILL NOW USE THE GRINGOFF INTERSECTION TO GO TOWARDS 95 INSTEAD OF GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT END. AND BACK THEN WHEN WE DESIGNED THE SIGNAL, I WAS THE UR FOR DESIGNING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WE HAD DONE A STUDY FOR THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME SHOWING THAT WITH THE SIGNAL AT GRINGOFF AND WERE TO A SEVEN WAS CONSTRUCTED, ALMOST 42 PERCENT OF THE TRAFFIC MAKING THAT EASTBOUND RIGHT AND LEFT BOUND LEFT ARE GOING TO START COMING DOWN AND USING 207 BECAUSE THAT IS NOW A MORE SAFER AND FASTER WAY TO GET TO 95. AND THAT SIMILAR TO A SEVEN IS ALSO DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WITH MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO THE TRAFFIC HEADS, YOU CAN MAKE THAT INTERSECTION MORE EFFICIENT. SO I HAVE ALL THAT DOCUMENT. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY FINES BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER IT. >> HELLO. I AM JUSTIN WILLIAMS. I AM WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT AND THE ADDRESS IS 10060 SKID LIKE DRIVE. I WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED REGARDING THE STORMWATER PROGRAM THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS THE NUTRIENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID THAT THERE WAS TREATMENT I WAS IN THE EXISTING DITCH THAT WOULD NOW BE LOST WHEN WE CLEAN IT OUT AND IMPROVE IT. THE DATES THAT IS OUT THERE TODAY, IF YOU WERE TO GO OUT THERE AT ANYTIME, DAY OR NIGHT, YOU WOULD SEE WATER FLOWING DOWN THE DITCH. THE DITCH IS NOT TREATING ANY WATER. SO THE WATER THAT WE ADDED WHEN WE CLEAN IT OUT WE ARE NOT RETRACTING FROM ANY OF THE TREATMENT THAT HAPPENS IN THAT DITCH BECAUSE NONE HAPPENS. IT IS ONLY CONVEYING IT. WHAT WE WILL BE DOING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT IS CAPTURING ALL THE STORMWATER AND WHERE WE WILL TREAT ALL OF THE WATER BEFORE WE DISCHARGE IT INTO THE DITCH. SO THE WATER THAT WE DISCHARGE WILL BE TREATED. THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS CONSTANTLY IMPROVING THEIR CRITERIA. THEY ARE COMING UP WITH MORE AND MORE STUDIES AND IMPROVING THINGS. THE WATER THAT WE TREAT THAT LEAVES OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL BE TREATED OVER AND ABOVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND US, SO THAT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW. ANOTHER THING. WE HAD IT SET THAT THERE WOULD BE FLOODING THAT WOULD BE CAUSED BY THE DEVELOPMENT. THE STORMWATER PONDS, THAT IS THE WAY THAT WE CONTROL FLOODING. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET FLOODING BECAUSE IT IS UNCONTROLLED, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE AN AREA THAT IS UNCONTROLLED RIGHT NOW AND CONTROL IT. WE WILL TAKE ALL OF [05:40:04] THE WATER THAT COMES OFF THE LOTS, RALLY UP TO THE STORMWATER PONDS, AND RELEASE IT SLOWLY SO THAT FLOODING DOES NOT OCCUR. SO THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT CAUSES THAT FLOODING. ANOTHER THING THAT WAS SAID, OH, WITH THE FLOODING, IT WAS SAID THAT BECAUSE OF THE TREES AND SUCH THAT WERE THERE NOW, THEY WERE PREVENTING EROSION. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE TREES THAT WERE IN THE DITCH. WHEN I WAS OUT THERE WE WENT AND TOOK A LOOK. WE HAD SOME EROSION THAT WAS HAPPENING. ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THERE, HER NAME WAS DD TOWERS. WHEN WE IMPROVED THAT DITCH, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO TAKE MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FLOODING EROSION DOES NOT OCCUR IN THAT TOUCH. AND THIS WILL ALSO HELP THE PEOPLE UPSTREAM OF US THAT ARE DISCHARGING INTO THIS DITCH. IT IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE DITCH AND THE CONVENIENCE THAT THEY HAVE AND PROVIDE EASEMENT FOR THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF IT. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS REGARDING THE NUTRIENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE DOING IS PUTTING IN A RECLAIM TO WATER. THAT IS WATER AFTER IT HAS BEEN TREATED AND LEAVES A PLANT AND HAS BEEN USED. SO RATHER THAN JUST BEING DISCHARGE INTO THE OCEAN OR DISCHARGED INTO THE RIVER, IT IS USED FOR GOOD. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PUTTING IN A RECLAIM MAINE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE USE OF THAT WATER. AND THAT IS ALL. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. AND I HAVE GOT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO HEAD REAL QUICKLY JUST TO CLARIFY. YOU DO NOT GET IMPACT FEE CREDIT FOR THE $17 MILLION OR $20 MILLION. YOU DO NOT GET IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR YOUR TRAFFIC. YOU GET IT FOR THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC ONLY. THE 60%. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO. A GENTLEMAN QUESTION WHETHER THE EXTENSION OF WATSON ROAD IS GOING TO CONNECT TO THE END OF THE PAVEMENT. AND OF COURSE IT IS GOING TO CONNECT TO THE END OF THE PAVEMENT. NUMBER THREE. SOMEBODY SAID THAT THE LINK EAST OF OUR ENTRANCE ON WILDWOOD, THE TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY. WE WENT OVER THOSE NUMBERS. THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO DECREASE. AND I HAVE A FEW OTHER POINTS TO MAKE, BUT THEY REALLY ARE NOT ANSWERING TO THAT. SO I THINK WHAT I WILL DO AT THIS POINT IS, THE LAST THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS MS. BEAGLES AFFORDABILITY PERIOD. THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. HOWEVER, I THINK I HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. AND MY ISSUE WITH THAT IS THIS. WHEN WE PUT THAT 10-YEAR PERIOD ON THERE, WHAT WE ARE EFFECTIVELY DOING IS CAPPING THAT BUYER'S ABILITY TO ENJOY THE BENEFIT OF HOMEOWNERSHIP AND OF APPRECIATION AT 3% OR LESS. OF COURSE, HOUSING COSTS HAVE BEEN INCREASING AT A MUCH MORE RAPID RATE. THE OTHER THING WE ARE POTENTIALLY DOING BY DOING THAT IS WE ARE LIMITING THEIR ABILITY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT HOUSE, EVEN IF THEIR INCOME LEVEL HAS GONE UP. SO LET US SUPPOSE WE HAVE A NURSE WHO MAYBE HAS A SECOND JOB SO SHE CAN AFFORD ONE OF THESE. SHE IS ONLY MAKING 70,000. BY THE WAY, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE 70,002 AFFORD ONE OF THESE BUT THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE NUMBERS. I NOTICED HORTON CLOSING SOME TOWNHOMES AT STOKES LANDING IN THE MONTH OF JUNE IN THE $250 OR LESS RANGE. SO $97 IS TYPICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE TWO AFFORD 257. BUT LET US SUPPOSE SHE IS MAKING ENOUGH DOWN PAYMENT AND SHE BUYS ONE OF THESE HOMES. AND MAYBE SHE GETS MARRIED. MAYBE SHE GOES BACK TO COLLEGE AND BECOMES A HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATOR OR MEDICAL OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR AND NOW SHE IS MAKING $120 OR $150. SHE STILL NEEDS TO GENERATE MONEY FOR A DOWN PAYMENT, AND IF WE RESTRICT HER TO THAT 3% A YEAR OF APPRECIATION FOR 10 YEARS, SHE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE AS QUICKLY. SHE MAY HAVE TO STAY IN THAT HOME LONGER BECAUSE SHE WILL HAVE TO SELL IT FOR A CERTAIN PRICE. IF THAT IS THE CASE, WHAT IS HAPPENING IS WE NOW HAVE THE NEXT NURSE WHO COMES ALONG WHO IS UNABLE TO BUY HER HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS NOT AVAILABLE. SHE DOES NOT PUT IT FOR SALE. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT BUT, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO THE 10-YEAR PERIOD. AT THIS [05:45:09] POINT, I WILL STOP AND OPEN IT BACK UP FOR QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. MY THOUGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS IF SHE IS MAKING TWICE AS MUCH MONEY AS SHE WAS THEN SHE COULD SAVE SOME MONEY TO MAKE THE DOWN PAYMENT. YOU KNOW? SHE IS NOT PAYING THAT INTO THE MORTGAGE. SO I DO UNDERSTAND. I REALLY DO. I KNOW THIS IS SUCH A COMPLICATED ISSUE AND THE MORE I LEARNED, THE MORE COMPLICATED IT GETS. MAYBE IT IS JUST A BIG HEART OF COMPASSION WANTING TO HELP PEOPLE OUT. I DO WANT TO SAY TO THE AUDIENCE HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND YOU ARE BEING HURT. TRUST ME. IF WE DO OR DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU ARE ALL YOUR POINTS OR MAYBE WEIGH IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. IT IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MAKE OUR COUNTY WORK. BY PEOPLE COMING OUT AND LISTENING TO EVERYBODY'S OPINION. EVERYBODY'S OPINION IS VALID. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE $97,000, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. DO YOU HAVE A PRICE POINT IDEA ON THE SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT? IS THERE A GENERAL SENSE OF WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO BE GOING WITH THESE THINGS? IS IT LIKE THE $225-$250 RANGE? ARE WE PUSHING TO $500? >> MY GUESS IS THE UPPER THREES OR MAYBE FOURS. >> WHAT WITH THIS PROJECT LOOK LIKE? AND NOT DOING THE CUT THROUGH. >> WELL, WE COULD. IT WOULD BE A LONG CUL-DE-SAC. >> WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT BENEFIT OF ALL THE CONNECTIVITY. >> I MEAN HOW DO EVER AT THAT POINT RELIEVE EMERGENCY SITUATION AT THE END OF WATSON? >> I AGREE. AT THE DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT WERE INCREASED, WOULD IT BE ABLE TO GO FOR MORE AS WORKFORCE HAPPENING? >> IF IT WERE DECREASED? NO. I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. >> SO YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF AT THE TOP LINE FOR BEING ABLE TO DO THIS AND STILL PROVIDING 30%. >> REMEMBER, $340 IS A MAX. IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIT $650 ON THERE. THAT IS A MAX. >> THAT IS A MAXIMUM. FOR STAFF, THAT IS FUNDED. WE ARE JUST IN PROCESS FOR THAT. >> I DO BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT. >> YES. THAT SIGNAL IS FUNDED AND ANTICIPATED TO BE INSTALLED IN 2025 BEFORE THE OPENING OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FROM ROADS AND TRAFFIC? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVEN WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT THIS ONE. THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT WATSON ROAD. IT IS A TERRIBLE, SKINNY LITTLE ROAD AND IT IS VERY WET UNDERNEATH. IT IS A TERRIFYING THOUGHT. AND I KNOW I WILL NOT BE A BIG HERO GOING HOME. YOU KNOW? NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ROAD DOES NOT SURVIVE? WHAT HAPPENS IF IT IS TOO MUCH? WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE? >> I AM NOT SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT. THAT IS A HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE QUESTION. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THE PART OF THE ROADWAY THAT IS WEST OF THE RAILROAD THAT IS NARROW, THERE IS A LOT OF OFF TRACKING ON THE SIDES OF THE ROAD, THAT IS GETTING WIDENED BY SUCCESSION. THEY ARE ALSO BUILDING A SLIGHT EXTENSION DOWN TO THEIR ACCESS. AND THEY ARE ALSO PAYING $1 MILLION TO THE COUNTY, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED. THAT IS THAT 99 UNIT SUBDIVISION THAT HAS ALREADY GOT ZONING AND LAND USE AND IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WATSON ROAD. SO THAT IS [05:50:03] THEIR MITIGATION THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR. THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION OBVIOUSLY ARE NEEDED. IT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT ON THAT END. WATSON ROAD ITSELF WAS JUST BUILT WITH DRIVEWAY ACCESSES ON IT. IT DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THERE'S PROBABLY NOT ADEQUATE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ADD THOSE. THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF WORK AND ANALYSIS BEFORE WE COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THERE WERE A ROAD SIMILAR TO WATSON ROAD AND IT COLLAPSED, IT WOULD JUST BECOME AN EMERGENCY. >> YOU MEAN PHYSICALLY? >> PHYSICALLY, LIKE YES. >> WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS RE-PAVED ROADS AND BUFF IT UP. >> I DO NOT MEAN IMPROVING IT. I JUST MEAN PUTTING IT SO SERVICEABLE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE WATSON ROAD ANYMORE. >> RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. THE COUNTY HAS A RESURFACING PROGRAM, AND THERE IS A SCHEDULE BY PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING AND WE GO TO THE COUNTY EVERY YEAR AND CERTAIN ROADS ARE SELECTED AND THERE IS FUNDING PROVIDED IN THE BUDGET TO RESURFACE ROADS EVERY YEAR. >> I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A NICE, WIDE TWO-LANE SIDEWALK BUT I DO NOT SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT AT ANY RATE . >> A LOT OF TIMES, THEY ARE ABLE TO WIDEN LANES WITH RESURFACING AND ADDING SOMEWHAT OF A SHOULDER ON THE SIDE AND MAKE THEM SAFER. BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT, THERE IS NOT A HUGE INCREASE IN DRAINAGE WHEN YOU DO STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT WHEN YOU MAKE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS, THEN YOU HAVE GOT TO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. DR. HELLSENBECK? >> I HAVE COMMENTS MORE THAN QUESTIONS. DO YOU WANT ME TO HOLD THOSE DURING A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FOR THE RECORD I FORGOT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JEN LOMBERG, THE RIVER KEEPER, ABOUT THIS PROJECT. >> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME AFTER HIS SISTER, THAT WAS A NEIGHBOR. THAT WAS KIND OF LANDLOCKED. I KNOW YOU LEGALLY CANNOT BLOCK HER. IS THIS -- IS THERE SOMETHING WRITTEN THAT CANCER PROVIDE SOME ASSURANCE THAT THEY WILL HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS? >> IT IS ON OUR SITE PLAN WHICH I BELIEVE IS A CONDITION OF THE SUBORDINATES THAT THE ARROWS ARE ON THERE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT PROPERTY WAS SOLD BY THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THAT SISTER. AND I ALWAYS CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, ALTHOUGH I HAVE RUN INTO IT BEFORE IN MY 34 YEARS. I BELIEVE THERE IS AUTOMATICALLY AN EASEMENT GRANTED TO THE BUYER OF THAT PROPERTY EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT WAS SOLD FROM A PARENT TO THAT CURRENT OWNER. >> THANK YOU. I AM NOT HAVING ANY QUESTIONS. WE ARE BROUGHT BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. PIERRE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RES 2023-208. >> NOW WE ARE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. >> I AM GOING TO MAKE THIS BRIEF AND NOT BELABORING A LOT OF POINTS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH ON THIS BOARD TO KNOW THIS IS GOING TO PASS 4 TO 1. SO I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT I COULD OR WOULD LIKE TO, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO, REFUTE SOME OF WHAT JEN SAID FROM AN ECOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE RATHER THAN AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE. IF ENGINEERS SOLVED ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD, THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE WITH THE EVERGLADES OR OTHER WATER BODIES AND LAND USES IN THE STATE. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ECOLOGICAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT CAN OCCUR AND I BELIEVE YOU MISCHARACTERIZED A COUPLE OF THINGS I SAID. I STILL THINK THIS IS NOT COMPATIBLE BASED ON POLICY 8.1.3.11. BUT, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CHECK EVERY BOX WITH ALL THESE FACTORS TO MAKE [05:55:06] IT INCOMPATIBLE, BUT I WAS BASICALLY RELYING ON DENSITY AND OTHER LAND-USE. STILL, I SUPPORT WORKFORCE HOUSING. I JUST DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH. I THINK THE ORDINANCE WAS WATERED DOWN SOME WHEN IT ULTIMATELY PASSED, AND IT COULD BE A LOT STRONGER AND ACTUALLY PROVIDE BETTER WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO I JUST ALSO BELIEVE THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND THE POLICIES. AND , SOMEDAY, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL EVER HAPPEN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ACTUAL PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY DO SOME PLANNING. SOME REAL PLANNING ABOUT WHERE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS COULD GO. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. WE DON'T DO ANY PLANNING ON THIS BOARD. AND I DON'T SEE A WAY TO GET US INVOLVED IN PLANNING. BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WILL SAY THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS CUT BOTH WAYS FOR CURRENT OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE OWNER THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. SO THERE IS A TWO-EDGED SWORD TO PRIVATE PROPERTY RATES. SO THAT IS IT AND I WISH YOU ALL LUCK ON THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. ANY -- >> I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE COM PLAN CHANGES. I HOPE THEY WILL GET SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC. THEY WILL BE DOING AN EVALUATION RIGHT NOW UNAVAILABILITY AND DIGGING DEEP INTO WHAT WE CAN REALLY DO IN ST. JOHNS. >> YOU MEAN THE BEGINNING PROCESS? >> THIS IS OUTSIDE OF IT. THIS IS DUE THE STEERING COMMITTEE. THEY ARE DRIVING THAT. >> IT IS NOT OUR BODY. >> BUT AT LEAST THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIRECTION. >> NO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW THINGS. WHEN I FIRST GOT THE PACKET AND I SAW IT WAS ON WATSON ROAD NEAR WILDWOOD, I JUST DIED BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THAT WE HAVE DISAPPROVED OF BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND DIG AGAINST IT STATING ALL THE CONCERNS. AND WE HEARD THE CONCERNS TODAY, BUT ONCE I SAW THE SITE PLAN AND FOR ME THE CONNECTING ALTERNATIVE ROUTE THAT CONNECTED WILDWOOD TO WATSON, TO ME THAT MADE THIS PROJECT WORK. YOU KNOW? IT IS A BENEFIT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN APPROVING A ZONING, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT TO DRIVE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE POLICY PLAN. THIS ALREADY HAS LAND-USE. THE REASON WHY THE UNIT COUNT IS UP OVER EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA IS BECAUSE OF THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING INCENTIVE. AND WE HAVE THAT INCENTIVE FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY IN OUR CODE TO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY GET THAT CHANCE OF CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND YOU MAY NOT THINK IT IS AFFORDABLE, BUT IT IS MORE AFFORDABLE THAN WHAT IS OUT THERE NOW. AND THAT IS, I THINK, HUGE, AND IT REALLY MAKES THAT COMPONENT WORK. SO I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT 5.8. AND I THINK MS. COMINA POINTED THAT OUT. IF YOU COMPARE THE SITE PLAN TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENCES, IT FITS. I MEAN, IT UNIFIES. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> SO WE SHOULD APPROVE BASED OFF OF THAT. AND ALSO APPROVAL SHOULD BE APPLIED IF IT COMPLIES WITH THE PROCEDURAL DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING. THE DEVELOPERS HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, ERODED THEY ARE PAYING FOR SO THAT THEY CAN ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC. AND ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT ALLEVIATE ALL TRAFFIC, IT ALLEVIATES SOME AND THAT HELPS A LOT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY PROVIDE DRAINAGE, AND THAT IS REALLY GOING TO HELP THE AREA. IS IT GOING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS? NO. IT DOES NOT. BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT EVERYBODY WILL BENEFIT [06:00:02] FROM. >> NO. >> EXCUSE ME. I DID NOT SPEAK WHILE YOU WERE SPEAKING. I WOULD LIKE THE SAME RESPECT. SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I WILL SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS A SITE PLAN THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY APPROVE. MS. BEAGLE? >> YES, MA'AM. WHAT ABOUT THE STREET RESTRICTION. I THINK I WOULD STILL LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE IF POSSIBLE. >> WELL, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE MOTION BUT IT IS PART OF A RECOMMENDATION THAT I THINK BCC WILL AT LEAST -- >> I HEAR THAT. IT WAS UNSPOKEN ABOUT. >> MR. GREEN? >> YES. ONE THING WE HAVE GOT TO CONSIDER, AND WHEN THE RESCUE GOES FROM WILDWOOD TO I-95, THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE. AND IF YOU HAVE A RAILROAD BLOCKING IT, THAT IS A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE. WE CAN ARGUE ALL DAY ABOUT TRAFFIC. BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER IN BEING ABLE TO GET, WHETHER IT IS A SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT RESCUE OR WHATEVER, THROUGH. IF YOU HAVE EVER GOT A TRAIN ACCIDENT OR ANYTHING, THERE IS NO WAY TO GET IT UNLESS YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A SIX. BUT I THINK THAT IS THE WAY THE RESCUE GOES ON AND ACCIDENT. NOT * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.