Jul 16, 2024 Board of County Commissioners

MICHAEL MCDONALD, WINDSWEPT ACRES.

IS THIS A DONE DEAL? IS THIS HAPPENING NO MATTER WHAT? I LOVE THE HEALTH CARE FACILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO RESEARCH, PRE CLINICAL TRIAL IN OUR COMMUNITY, I MEAN, THAT'S HOW WE GET BIRD FLU IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, I HOPE I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES WE HAVE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY THAT PROTECT US AGAINST THAT.

I MEAN, HE SAYS THE FIRST IN OUR REGION.

I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY RESEARCH FACILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT DO ANYTHING BIO ENGINEERED? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING TO IT'S COME TO OUR ATTENTION.

NOW, I'M CURIOUS IF WE HAVE THE RESOURCES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO INVESTIGATE THESE, BECAUSE ONCE THAT DOOR IS SHUT AND IT'S A BIG WAREHOUSE, HOW DO WE GET IN THERE? HOW DO WE POSSIBLY GET IN THERE? WE TRULY HAVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FOOT OF WAREHOUSE COMMUNITY.

I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT SAFEGUARDS WE HAVE IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY TO PROTECT US AGAINST RESEARCH.

NOT FOR NOTHING. I MEAN, YES, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED HEALTH CARE.

WE NEED OUR YES, OBVIOUSLY WHAT HE SAID WE NEED, BUT WE NEED TO BE SAFEGUARDING OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IN 2024 THERE'S A TAX

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AGAINST US. AND I MEAN, THERE'S INCIDENTS THAT WHERE A TRUCK SPILLS SOME CONTAMINANTS WHEN HE DROPS IT.

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST HOPING THAT THIS IS JUST ALARMING TO KNOW THAT WE'RE SEEING SOMETHING THAT'S PRE-CLINICAL RESEARCH TRIAL IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH I.

I HOPE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE ON THIS STANDING UP TO SAY THIS.

I MEAN, I'M I'M PROBABLY WILL BE THE ONLY ONE TO STAND UP AND SAY SOMETHING ON THAT, BUT I JUST I THIS IS A BRAND NEW BUSINESS.

IF YOU LOOK IT UP ON SUNDAYS, IT'S ESTABLISHED IN 2023.

I MEAN, IT'S BRAND NEW.

I MEAN, YES, IT'S HEAVILY FUNDED $20 MILLION.

WHERE DID THAT HEAVILY FUNDED MONEY COME FROM? A FAMILY? I DON'T THINK WE NEED BIG FAMILY RESEARCH MONEY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I HOPE YOU GUYS THAT'S WHY I'M CURIOUS.

IS THIS DESTINED TO COME HERE? OBVIOUSLY. HIGH PAYING JOBS.

YES, WE NEED, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO RESEARCH IN OUR COMMUNITY BEHIND BIG 30,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITIES WITH NEW BUSINESSES, NEW FACES, NEW MONEY, NEW EVERYTHING.

IT'S SOMETHING TO BE ALERT FOR IN 2024.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OH, NO. GO AHEAD SIR.

I'M SORRY. SCOTT MAYNARD, SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY.

IT IS A TARGET INDUSTRY, HEALTH AND LIFE SCIENCES.

IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE 54 JOBS.

IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE OVER $20 MILLION IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.

IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE OVER 5.4 MILLION IN TAX DOLLARS FOR THIS $621,000 INCENTIVE.

ALL OF THOSE ARE REASONS TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY THE FUTURE POTENTIAL THAT WE ARE MOST EXCITED ABOUT.

IN ADDITION TO THE RESEARCH LAB AND THE MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT BONUS FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY IN MY OPINION.

WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE UF HEALTH ASCENSION'S MAYO BAPTIST, HCA, ADVENT, WOLFSON AND OTHER HOSPITALS AND RESEARCH CENTERS IN OUR REGION.

THIS CLUSTER OF MAJOR HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS PUTS US AT A DISTINCT ADVANTAGE TO ATTRACT OTHER HIGH PAYING JOBS TO THIS AREA.

MEDICAL RESEARCH IS A GROWING MARKET AND OUR HEALTH CARE CLUSTER MAKES US VERY ATTRACTIVE TO THIS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE AND APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE HUNT, MILLCREEK ESTATES.

MY QUESTION IS THERE'S NO POINT OF CONTACT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PARAGRAPH THAT SHOWS WHAT THIS ITEM IS FOR, BUT THE TESTING AND DEVELOPMENT, WILL IT BE ON ANY ANIMALS OR LIKE, MONKEYS, HAMSTERS? YOU KNOW, IT'S USUALLY A GOOD WAY OF TESTING AND DEVELOPING YOUR MEDICINES.

AND I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY THEY DON'T REALLY SAY IT.

AND ALSO, I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY DEEP POCKETS FROM THE ASIAN I.E.

CHINA THAT MIGHT BE IN BEHIND THEM IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS DO IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM PUSH MONEY INTO PEOPLE'S POCKETS SO THEY CAN START DOING THE THE DEVELOPMENT OF MEDICAL PROPERTY OR MEDICAL PHARMACY. THANK YOU.

CATHY GOODMAN FROM THE SHEARWATER AREA.

HAS ANYONE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY OF THAT AREA THERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I-95 AND COUNTY ROAD 210.

COUNTY ROAD 210 IS ALREADY A DISASTER AT THIS POINT AND WILL BE A DISASTER.

BUT IF ANYONE TRIES TO GO THROUGH THAT AREA IN THE MORNING, ESPECIALLY DURING A SCHOOL DAY, YOU CAN'T MOVE THROUGH THAT AREA AT ALL.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANY ROAD CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO OR AFTERWARDS IS GOING TO RESOLVE ADDING ANOTHER BIG CONSTRUCTION SITE TO RESOLVE THAT AREA AND ALLOW TO HAVE ANY, ANY MORE CONSTRUCTION NEAR THAT AREA THAT WILL RESOLVE ANYTHING.

ESPECIALLY A BIG BUILDING AND AND MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

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IT'S WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM ON COUNTY ROAD 210, AND NOTHING'S GOING TO RESOLVE IT BY JUST ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC OR ADDING A LOT MORE TRAFFIC INTO ANOTHER LANE.

HEATHER HARLEY-DAVIDSON, DISTRICT THREE, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY COMMISSION.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE BUREAUCRATS ARE ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS FOR COMPANIES THAT ARE ALREADY COMING INTO SAINT AUGUSTINE.

WHAT ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER? I MEAN, AND I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, WHEN I BUILT MY INN IN CRESCENT BEACH, RIGHT NEXT TO COMMANDERS, THAT THREE STORY BEAUTIFUL INN, AND RAN IT FOR TWO, TEN YEARS, THAT 200, THAT $250,000 I SPENT ON LEGAL FEES TO PROVE THAT I HAD THE PROPER ZONING, THE IMPACT FEES, THE WATER, SEWER COMMITMENT FEES.

I PAID THE THE THE FIRE HYDRANT.

CRESCENT BEACH DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT DOWN WHERE I WAS.

OKAY, I PUT THAT IN.

WHERE'S MY MONEY? WHERE'S MY REBATE? WHERE IS THE SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE'S REBATE? YOU TAX THEM, YOU REGULATE THEM TO DEATH, AND THEN WE GIVE IT TO COMPANIES THAT ARE ALREADY COMING THAT ARE GOING TO CLEAR CUT EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO GET BACK TO THE LOCALS AND THE LOCALS NEEDS AND WANTS OF THE PEOPLE.

YES, WE NEED A CANCER FACILITY.

THEY'RE COMING ALREADY.

OKAY. IT'S LIKE THE WAREHOUSES.

WE'RE GOING TO BE A WAREHOUSE COMMUNITY WITH THESE INCENTIVES.

AND THEY'RE NOT GOOD PAYING JOBS.

YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SURVIVE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ON A $38,000 WAREHOUSE JOB.

MAYBE YOUR KID IN COLLEGE CAN, YOU KNOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LITTLE CHECK MARKS ARE THAT THEY DO TO START GIVING THESE INCENTIVES, BUT WE NEED TO REEVALUATE THAT AS A COMMISSION.

LOOK AT WHAT, HOW HOW EXISTING BUSINESSES ARE STRUGGLING.

I MEAN, Y'ALL ARE BUSINESSMEN.

YOU KNOW, I PAY $700 FOR JUST TO KEEP MY GENERAL CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE.

I DON'T EVEN I HAVEN'T EVEN PULLED A PERMIT IN TWO YEARS.

OKAY. AND THEN WHEN I WENT TO GO, I NEEDED INSURANCE.

IT WASN'T ENOUGH BECAUSE I WAS RENTING ONE OF Y'ALL'S FACILITIES SO I COULD DO AN EVENT WE HAVE TO BACK THIS UP.

QUIT SPENDING TAX DOLLARS ON GIVING PEOPLE A BENEFIT.

THAT IS IS OUR IS OUR COUNTY GETTING THE BENEFIT? NOW, THIS CANCER FACILITY IS PROBABLY GOING TO PRODUCE SOME $96,000 JOBS.

YEAH GREAT.

BUT AS WE THE TRAFFIC, CAN WE FIND ANOTHER AREA THAT IT COULD GO IN MAYBE.

I DON'T KNOW, THANKS.

THOSE ARE ALL GOOD POINTS.

ED SLAVIN, BOX 304 AT SLAVIN.

COM. WHEN WILL THIS COUNTY COMMISSION ACTUALLY HEED THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE AND HAVE A PROGRAMMATIC REVIEW OF ALL OF THESE SO-CALLED INCENTIVES? IT COMES UP EVERY MEETING.

NOW, THIS ONE SOUNDS RIGHTEOUS.

IF I WERE ONE OF Y'ALL, I'D PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT.

BUT THE REST OF THEM, THE WARP AND THE WOLF OF THESE THAT COME UP EVERY OTHER COMMISSION MEETING, THEY'RE NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT, THEY'RE NOT WELL JUSTIFIED, THEY'RE NOT WELL EXPLAINED. AND IT'S A BASICALLY A REPUBLICAN TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS.

THAT'S WHAT WE GET HERE.

ALL Y'ALL ARE REPUBLICANS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE MONEY TO CORPORATIONS? THAT'S A GIVEN. AT LEAST LET'S HAVE SOME TRANSPARENCY AND SOME DECENCY AND SOME CONSIDERATION.

AND I REALLY DIDN'T CARE FOR MR. WHITEHURST'S REMARK ABOUT PEOPLE CAN CALL UP THE STAFF PERSON AND ASK QUESTIONS THERE.

THEY'RE NOT ALL THAT HELPFUL, AND NEITHER ARE MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY. THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE BOARD.

YES, SIR. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT TO THE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT RAISED CONCERNS OVER WHAT EXACTLY WILL BE HAPPENING IN THIS FACILITY OVER TIME.

AND WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS PRECEDENCE FOR FOR CONCERN AND ALARM.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS NO VIRAL VECTORS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IN THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.

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THE KIND OF MANUFACTURING, THE KIND OF TESTING IS ALL SMALL MOLECULE.

SO THERE'S NO VIRUSES INVOLVED.

THERE'S NO ANIMALS INVOLVED, NO MONKEYS, NO BIRDS.

IN FACT, THE NIH, YOU KNOW, PASSED LAWS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO NOW TO SLOWLY PHASE OUT ANIMAL TESTING.

IT'S HIGHLY UNRELIABLE.

MAN AND MONKEY AND AND MOUSE ARE NOT THE SAME.

WE THAT'S WHY DRUGS GET DEVELOPED IN MICE AND THEN THEY FAIL IN HUMANS.

IT'S JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, WORKING REALLY WELL.

SO YEAH, THE NEW SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN PLACE DO REPLICATE HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, ALL ON COMPUTERS.

SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY REASONABLE FROM THERE.

AND THE LAST COMMENT REGARDING FUNDING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S A QUOTE UNQUOTE HAND FROM THE ASIAN MARKETS IN CHINA PLAY.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE PRECISE REASON THAT WE ACTUALLY PROPOSE THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IS THAT OUR DRUG SUPPLY, WE REALIZE, WAS SO VULNERABLE WHEN COVID HIT THAT I COULDN'T GET CERTAIN MEDICATIONS FOR CANCER PATIENTS.

ALL OF THEM WERE COMING FROM CHINA OR SOME INTERMEDIARY THROUGH CHINA.

WE DID A DEEP DIVE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS IT THAT IS.

SO WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO HERE? AND WHERE IS THE ADVANTAGES AND WHERE IS OUR LEVERAGE POINTS THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN INSTITUTE HERE SO THAT WE HAVE AMERICAN MADE MANUFACTURING, AMERICAN MADE DRUGS.

AND, AND SO THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON ANYBODY ELSE.

SO YES, I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO DO THIS HERE AND DEVELOP THAT ECOSYSTEM HERE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY FOR CRITICAL LIFE SAVING MEDS SUCH AS CANCER MEDS AND MANY, MANY OTHERS.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

DOCTOR. DON'T LEAVE. NO.

DON'T LEAVE. COME BACK UP, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.

FIRST BEING TRAFFIC, OBVIOUSLY WE THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDS EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON ON 210.

WE'VE HAD AGENDA ITEMS JUST TO DISCUSS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION ON COUNTY ROAD 210.

I THINK SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IS THAT THE INITIAL DEVELOPER'S OBLIGATION, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2004, WAS FOR $70 MILLION OF TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE MITIGATION.

IN 2015, THE COMMISSIONERS AT THAT TIME MADE A PRESENTATION INFRASTRUCTURE OBLIGATION FROM $70 MILLION DOWN TO $36 MILLION.

BECAUSE THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE HAMMER SWINGING AGAIN, THEY WERE TRYING TO SPUR THE ECONOMY, SO WE ARE LIVING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT DECISION.

BUT WITHIN THAT $36 MILLION, THE DEVELOPER HAS STILL FAILED TO PAY THE FINAL PIECE OF THAT.

THIS BOARD MADE A POLICY DECISION TO USE EVERY LEGAL ARROW IN OUR QUIVER, SO TO SPEAK, TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.

SO WE ARE OCA HAS BEEN BASICALLY HOW DO I PUT THIS? THEY LET THE DEVELOPER KNOW THAT YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO PAY OR WE'RE GOING TO SEE YOU IN COURT.

SO THAT DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WIDENING THAT TWO LANE PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 210 TO 6 LANES.

AND SO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL RESOLVE MANY OF THAT.

THE ISSUES THAT COME FROM THAT CHOKE POINT THAT EXISTS ON EASTBOUND 210.

SO WE RECOGNIZE AND UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

WE ARE DOING A SIX LANING PROJECT RIGHT NOW TO TO TRY AND RESOLVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.

SOMETHING ELSE TO NOTE IS WE ARE NOT ADDING NEW ENTITLEMENTS WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM.

WE'RE NOT APPROVING NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THIS IS SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED PAST APPROVALS WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO BRING, I THINK, WITH THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PROGRAM, A COMPANY THAT CAN BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS, WE ARE NOT USING RESIDENTS TAX DOLLARS.

THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS EXPRESSED.

WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS OR YOUR SALES TAX DOLLARS TO INCENTIVIZE THIS BUSINESS.

IT COMES FROM THEIR TAX DOLLARS.

SO WITHOUT THIS PROJECT WE DON'T HAVE THIS TAX MONEY.

BUT THERE WILL BE IF YOU'RE JUST DOING THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, THERE WILL BE A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR NET BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY.

SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUT OF HERE WITHOUT MAKING PAYMENTS INTO THE COUNTY.

AND OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF JUST THE DATA, THIS IS A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY'S RESIDENTS.

MY MOTHER IS A BREAST CANCER SURVIVOR.

I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN TOUCHED, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, BY CANCER STRIKING THEIR HOME.

AND I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY NOT WANTING TO HAVE THESE SERVICES CLOSER TO YOUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS WHO MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY THE CANCERS THAT IMPACT ALL OF US.

SO I'M GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS PROJECT.

NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEW ENTITLEMENTS.

WE'RE NOT ADDING NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE TO AN ALREADY CONGESTED ROAD.

TWO IT'S A FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

AND THREE, I THINK OUR FAMILIES NEED THIS SERVICE.

SO I'M GOING TO VOTE YES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. DOCTOR, YOU ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF WHAT GOES ON INSIDE THE BUILDING FAIRLY WELL.

YOU ADDRESSED THE VIRUS, MONKEYS, ETC..

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MY QUESTION IS, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION EARLIER.

WHAT FEDERAL AND OR STATE AGENCIES ACTUALLY REGULATE YOUR FACILITY, YOUR OPERATION, AND DO THEY HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO TO REVIEW AND INSPECT THE FACILITY? I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT.

YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE STARTED THAT KIND OF DIALOG SINCE WE REMOVED THE ANIMAL FACILITY COMPONENT OUT LAST YEAR, WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE NEED FOR THAT.

IT CAN BE OUTSOURCED IN MANY CASES.

IF WE DO NEED TO GO THERE, THERE'S REALLY NO IT WAS THE THAT THAT COMMITTEES TYPICALLY CALLED THE IACUC.

THEY TYPICALLY MANAGE AND OVERSEE EXACTLY ETHICAL USE OF ANIMALS, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING ANY TESTING.

SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT COMPONENT ANYMORE.

WE DON'T REALLY FALL UNDER NIH BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY TAKING ANY FEDERAL DOLLARS.

BUT IF WE DECIDE TO, IT'S IT'S AN OPEN POSSIBILITY.

THERE'S LOTS OF GRANTS.

AND THAT'S HOW I'VE HAD MY LAB SUPPORTED AT MAYO FOR MANY YEARS WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS.

SO THE NIH OR THE NCI, YOU COME UNDER THEIR PURVIEW AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DO DO AUDITS AND INSPECTIONS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE AREA THERE.

THE THIRD THEN WOULD BE THE MANUFACTURING, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MANUFACTURING AT SCALE FOR COMMERCIALIZED PURPOSES.

THIS IS STILL ALL WITHIN RESEARCH, RESEARCH LABS, YOU KNOW, LIKE LIKE OURS, MANY OTHERS AT MAYO, EVEN THEY HAVE TO GO TO CHINA RIGHT NOW.

AND CHINA CHARGES A PREMIUM AND THEN THEY OWN THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE VERY CLEAR ON THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

SO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, THERE'S REALLY NO COMMITTEE AS SUCH OTHER THAN THE NIH, IF WE WERE TO PURSUE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD PROVIDE OVERSIGHT, I'M SURE THERE'S THERE'S GOING TO BE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO SEE, OKAY.

WELL, IF WE ARE DOING THAT YOU KNOW, JUST RESEARCH GRADE MILLIGRAM QUANTITIES OF OF ANY KIND OF DRUG PRODUCT.

WHAT EXACTLY? WHAT THAT ENTAILS.

WE WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER JUST YET.

LAST PIECE IS A GMP SMALL SCALE GMP MANUFACTURING.

GMP IS SOMETHING GOOD MANUFACTURING PRACTICES THAT THE FDA HAS A VERY, VERY STRINGENT APPROVAL PROCESS FOR.

IT TAKES ABOUT THREE, FOUR YEARS.

SO JUST THE PHYSICAL SITE.

WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD OUT FOR ANY KIND OF PRODUCT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY, EVEN IF NEEDS TO GO INTO ONE HUMAN BEING, YOU KNOW, A PILOT SCALE AND OF ONE STUDY, SOMETHING UNIQUE, IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A GMP FACILITY AND THERE'S NO SUCH FACILITY.

GMP JUST MEANS IT'S A CLEAN ROOM.

IT'S ALL THE PROCESSES ARE DOCUMENTED, LOGGED, CATALOGED.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST A VERY, VERY ARDENT PROCESS.

SO EVEN A HIGH SCHOOL KID CAN RUN THROUGH THAT WITH AN SOP THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN IN THE REGION.

I TO FIND ONE OUT AT UF IN GAINESVILLE AND I WAS BOOKED OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER COMPONENT OF WHAT WILL BE IN THERE.

OKAY. WELL THANK YOU.

I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

FIRST OF ALL, AS A MATTER OF INTRODUCTION, BASED ON CHRISTIAN'S COMMENTS I WAS SORT OF A, LET'S SAY, LAISSEZ FAIRE SUPPORTER IN GENERAL OF CANCER RESEARCH OVER MY LIFETIME.

AND IN OCTOBER OF 2022, I BECAME A UNABASHED CHEERLEADER OF CANCER RESEARCH AND CONTINUE IN THAT MODE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

SO WITH THAT SAID I'LL MOVE TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FOR TIMI INSTITUTE AND PLACE THE PROPOSED INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD AT A LATER, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.

SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[2. Fiscal Year 2025 Recommended Budget & Proposed Millage Rates. The annual County budget process requires a number of steps, ranging from its preparation through adoption. Florida Statutes (F.S. 129.03(3) and F.S. 200.065, Truth in Millage (“TRIM”) requirements) specify that a balanced Recommended Budget must be submitted to the Board of County Commissioners as the next step in the budget process. The Fiscal Year 2025 Recommended Budget has been balanced with expenditures and adequate reserves within each County fund equal to projected fund revenues. County Administration's Recommended Budget represents a funding level that can reasonably assure the achievement of St. Johns County’s operational needs while minimizing the tax impact on its citizenry. The Fiscal Year 2025 Recommended Budget Workbook may be found on the County's website at: www.sjcfl.us/OMB. Following the development and presentation of a Recommended Budget, the County is obligated to provide certain information concerning that budget to the Property Appraiser. This information includes 1.) The FY 2024 adopted millage rates; 2.) The FY 2025 proposed millage rates; 3.) The FY 2025 calculated rolled-back rates; and 4.) The date, time, and meeting place of the tentative budget hearing. This information is placed on Department of Revenue DR–420 forms provided to the Property Appraiser. Those forms provide the basis for the “TRIM” notice mailed by the Property Appraiser to property owners in St. Johns County. The BCC will need to approve proposed Millage rates (see the attached sheet) for the County’s TRIM mailing, and approve September 3, 2024 @ 5:01 PM in the County Auditorium as the Date, Time and Place of the first public hearing for the adoption of the FY 2025 Budget for the St. Johns County Board of County Commissioners. For practical purposes, once the proposed Millage rates are set, they can still be decreased but not increased. ]

MISS ANDREWS AND MR. DUNN.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.

CHAIR ARDELL, VICE CHAIR.

ALAIMO, COMMISSIONER DEANE, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WHEN SHE GETS BACK.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

I'M HONORED TO PRESENT YOU THE 2025 BUDGET RECOMMENDATION FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS BUDGET REFLECTS OUR COMMITMENT TO FULFILLING THE PROMISES WE HAVE MADE TO OUR RESIDENTS, STAFF, AND PARTNERS WHILE POSITIONING OUR COUNTY FOR CONTINUED SUCCESS.

THE LEADERSHIP AND VISION OF OUR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE GUIDED US IN FOCUSING ON THESE KEY PRIORITIES.

INFRASTRUCTURE, MANAGING THE GROWTH.

OPEN GOVERNANCE AND TRANSPARENCY.

CONSERVATION. FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP.

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THESE PRIORITIES HAVE RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENTS IN 2020 FOR COUNTY ROAD 210 WIDENING AND I INCLUDES CIMARRON, TWO, GREENBRIER AND EAST OF I 95.

I-95. 9.6 MILLION STATE ALLOCATION FOR AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND ONGOING ROBUST, PUBLICLY INFORMED PROCESS FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE 2050.

DRAFT A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.

INCREASE THE LAND ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT PLAN FUNDING FROM $500,000 TO 2 MILLION FOR CONSERVATION, PUBLIC SAFETY PARKS AND LIBRARY BONDING PROGRAM.

THIS BUDGET RECOMMENDATION TODAY WERE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU, MAINTAINS OUR FOCUS ON ESSENTIAL SERVICES, AND INTRODUCES STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME, PRIMARILY IN ROADS, WATER, PARKS, LIBRARIES, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND IN OUR STAFF. THESE LONG TERM INVESTMENTS ARE PROPOSED BASED ON YOUR METHODICAL DELIBERATION OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND THE BOLD DECISIONS YOU ARE MAKING TO MOVE US FORWARD.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HIGHLIGHT THESE STRATEGIC COMMITMENTS THAT YOU, AS A BOARD, HAVE MADE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE INTO THE FUTURE, AND THE QUALITY SERVICES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING FOR YOUR RESIDENTS AS A RESULT OF THOSE COMMITMENTS.

LAST YEAR, WE PROMISED TO ENHANCE OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE CAPABILITIES.

WE'RE TAKING THAT PROMISE VERY SERIOUS, AND WE'RE MAKING STRIDES.

WE'RE INCREASING ALLOCATION TO EXPANDING OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND SUPPORT OUR DEDICATED FIRST RESPONDERS.

THIS INCLUDES THE FUNDING OF FIVE NEW FIRE STATIONS AND INCREASING THE STARTING SALARY OF NEW HIRES WITH SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO $55,000. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY ACTIVATED THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IN RESPONSE TO HURRICANE IDALIA AND IMPLEMENTED A HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT TO INSTALL A GENERATOR AT FREEDOM CROSSING ACADEMY.

WE'RE ALSO NEARING COMPLETION OF FIRE STATION 11, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A RIBBON CUTTING IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF 2020 FOR OUR ANIMAL CONTROL DIVISION HAS BEEN ACTIVE IN RESCUING ANIMALS, HOSTING ADOPTION EVENTS, AND IMPROVING SAFETY OF OUR PEST CENTER.

WE HAVE ALSO ASSISTED NEIGHBORING COUNTIES WITH ANIMAL WELFARE INITIATIVES AND CONTINUE TO PROMOTE PET ADOPTIONS THROUGH VARIOUS COMMUNITY EVENTS WITH OUR PARTNERS. OUR COMMITMENT TO CATCHING UP OUR COUNTY'S INFRASTRUCTURE REMAINS OUR FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, HIGHEST PRIORITY.

WE HAVE ALLOCATED SIGNIFICANT FUNDS FOR ROAD REPAIRS, BRIDGE MAINTENANCE AND NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

NOTABLY, WE'RE CONTINUING THE WIDENING OF COUNTY ROAD 210 AS WELL AS EAST OF THE 95 FROM SIX 2 TO 6 LANES.

ADDITIONAL PROJECTS INCLUDE STATE ROAD 207, WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY, STATE ROAD 16 RECLAIMED WATER TRANSMISSION MAIN AND 15 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN HASTINGS, AND THAT WILL PROVIDE US WITH THE LIBRARY AND COMMUNITY CENTER, OVER 200 MAIN IMPROVEMENTS, A NEW UTILITY LAB, INVESTMENT OF OUR SOFTWARE INFRASTRUCTURE, OF THE NEW ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING TOOL, AND THE SHERIFF'S TACTICAL TRAINING FACILITY.

THESE INVESTMENTS ARE CRITICAL FOR SUPPORTING OUR GROWING POPULATION AND ENSURING SAFE AND RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE OUR GROWTH.

STAFF FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT ARE ACTIVELY CARRYING OUT THE MOBILITY FEE STUDY, THE IMPACT FEE STUDY AND OVERSEEING THE EXTENSION OF VETERANS PARKWAY.

OUR NEW WEB BASED CLEARANCE SHEET PORTAL HAS STREAMLINED THE PROCESS, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO UPDATE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

DURING THIS YEAR, WE WORKED HARD TO DELIVER AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT TO YOU AND TO OUR COMMUNITY, AS WE HAVE PROMISED.

AMONG MANY INITIATIVES, THE ONE WE ARE MOST PROUD OF AND THE ONE WE ARE MOST THANKFUL FOR.

YOUR TRUST IS THE COMPLETE REVAMP OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET HEARING SESSIONS.

YOUR SUPPORT GAVE US THE SPACE THAT WE NEED TO BRING ALL 28 SESSIONS OF BUDGET DIALOG IN FRONT OF OUR RESIDENTS.

I WILL NOT LIE, I WAS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS NEW PROCESS, BUT I'M RELIEVED TO REPORT THAT THE FEEDBACK IS POSITIVE.

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THE NEW WAY OF COMMUNICATION IS OPEN AND TRUST IS BEING REESTABLISHED.

WE COULD NOT HAVE DEPLOYED THESE NEW TOOLS WITHOUT YOUR FULL SUPPORT AND THE HARD WORK OF STAFF FROM OMB, PUBLIC AFFAIRS, AND THE REST OF THE DIRECTORS FROM OUR OPERATIONAL DIVISIONS.

SINCE THE CREATION OF OFFICE OF PERFORMANCE AND TRANSPARENCY, WE HAVE FULLY LAUNCHED ON ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING TOOL WITH IMPLEMENTATION COST OF 3.4 MILLION OVER THREE YEARS.

AND ARE YOU GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT FROM MISS SARAH TAYLOR IN A LATER AGENDA ITEM? OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM CREATED A NEW COUNTY WEBSITE.

LAUNCHED LAUNCHED A BILINGUAL MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, AND LAUNCHED A SJC CONNECT MOBILE APP.

THE SAINT JOHN'S INAUGURAL CITIZEN ACADEMY WAS COMPLETED WITH OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK, AND WE ALSO LAUNCHED OUR VERY FIRST YOUTH ACADEMY AND OVER 200 VIDEOS PRODUCED BY THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS, AND ALSO AMONG MOST VERY NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENTS.

WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT ALL OF OUR ACHIEVEMENTS WITHOUT KEEPING AN EYE ON THE FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHALLENGES WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, INCLUDING THE NEED TO CONTINUE OUR INVESTMENT IN CATCHING UP ON CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY GAVE US DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A 144 MILLION MULTI-PHASED BOND PROGRAM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR REGIONAL PARKS, TWO LIBRARY HUBS, ONE FULL LIBRARY AND FOUR FIRE STATIONS, LEVERAGING IMPACT FEES, STATE ALLOCATIONS AND TOURISM TAXES.

IT IS OUR COMMITMENT AS STAFF TO YOU, BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO EVALUATE EVERY DOLLAR WHEN IT COMES TO THE COST OF BUILDING THESE LONG ANTICIPATED FACILITIES.

OUR GOAL IS TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE RIGOROUS, RIGOROUSLY PURSUE THE SAVING OF 15% THROUGH NEGOTIATION AND STRONG PROJECT MANAGEMENT.

OUR GOAL IS TO REALIZE A SAVING OF OVER $20 MILLION SINCE THE BOARD'S SUPPORT OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS OFFICE.

IT HAS SECURED OVER $170 MILLION IN STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY'S RESIDENTS IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.

WE HAVE ALSO ESTABLISHED A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE 500 1C3 TO MANAGE THE AMP AND THE PONTE VEDRA CONCERT HALL, AND WE'RE UNDERGOING AN INSURANCE SERVICE OFFICE ISO RATING REVIEW, WITH THE GOAL OF ACHIEVING SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS FOR RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS.

INTERNALLY, THE FACILITY MANAGEMENT TEAM HAS LAUNCHED A SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAM.

THIS PROGRAM AIMS TO OPTIMIZE ENERGY USAGE ACROSS ALL COUNTY OWNED PROPERTIES BY IMPLEMENTING ENERGY SAVING PROJECTS.

MANAGING BUILDING SCHEDULES, AND ENCOURAGING RESPONSIBLE ENERGY USE AMONG COUNTY STAFF.

THE PROGRAM IS MANAGED BY THE FACILITY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND INCLUDES KEY PERSONNEL RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THE IMPLEMENTING ENERGY REDUCTION PRINCIPLES, INCLUDING HVAC SCHEDULING, LINING MANAGEMENT, WATER USAGE, AND BUILDING ENVELOPE MAINTENANCE.

THIS INITIATIVE IS PART OF OUR ONGOING EFFORTS TO ENHANCE SUSTAINABILITY AND REDUCE OPERATIONAL COSTS.

IT IS OUR GOAL TO PRESENT YOU TODAY WITH A BUDGET WITH A DISCRETIONARY RESERVE, WITH A MINIMUM OF 15% INCREASE FROM PREVIOUS YEAR.

WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 16.3%.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE FINANCIAL SECURITY THAT WE ALL NEED GOING INTO THIS VERY INTENSE HURRICANE SEASON.

OUR VETERAN SERVICES OFFICE ASSISTED 3782 VETERANS WITH CLAIMS TO THE VA, RESULTING IN OVER $237 MILLION IN VA BENEFITS AWARDED TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS OF VETERANS RESIDENCE.

THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT FINALIZED 43 ADOPTIONS, PARTNERED WITH JSO REENTRY CENTER TO SERVE 139 INMATES, AND PROVIDED EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO 398 RESIDENTS.

OUR CDBG FUNDED TUTOR PROGRAM HELPED 129 KIDS AND PROVIDED A HOUSING COUNSELING TO 206 RESIDENTS, RESULTING IN 2,000,000IN MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE.

OUR COMMITMENT TO PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS CONTINUES.

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WE HAVE BROKEN GROUND FOR CONSTRUCTING 92 UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MULTIFAMILY PROJECT WITH ABILITY HOUSING, AND RECEIVED OVER $9 MILLION IN FEMA REIMBURSEMENT.

THE VICTORIA CROSSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEX IS NOW 100% OCCUPIED, AND WE COMPLETED THE FINAL HOME FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S RESTORE PROJECT.

OUR SOCIAL SERVICES DIVISION HAS SERVED OVER 10,600 CLIENTS AND PROVIDED EXTENSIVE HOUSING COUNSELING SERVICES, AND WE CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR PARKS, OUR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, WITH PROJECTS INCLUDING RENOVATION OF VILANO BEACH OCEANFRONT PARK.

AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO TO CELEBRATE AND SHORELINE RESTORATION AT ALPINE GROVE.

THE CONSTRUCTION OF MILL CREEK PARK IS UNDERWAY, AND WE HAVE RANKED NUMBER ONE FOR FCT GRANT FUNDING FOR THE SAN SEBASTIAN BOAT RAMP, WHICH WILL BRING $3.5 MILLION.

THE LIBRARY SYSTEM HAS EXPANDED SERVICES HOURS TO PROVIDE ACCESS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND SERVED A 555 CHILDREN TO COLLABORATION WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM.

A REPLACEMENT BOOKMOBILE IS ANTICIPATED TO ARRIVE THIS FALL, AND WE HAVE DESIGNED A HASTING COMMUNITY CENTER AND LIBRARY.

OUR TOURISM ECONOMY IS CONTINUING TO GROW AND THRIVE, WITH A 2% INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE THIS YEAR AND A OVERALL 6 TO 62% INCREASE SINCE 2019.

WE HAVE INVESTED IN OVER 48 CULTURAL, BEACH AND SPORTS TOURISM PROGRAMS AND EVENTS.

INCREASED INVESTMENT IN DESTINATION MARKETING AND HOSTED FORMOSA JAZZ AND BLUES SERIES AND SING OUT LOUD FESTIVAL.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH LOCAL PARTNERS TO BECOME CERTIFIED AUTISM DESTINATION.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE HAS CREATED A STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN AND ASSISTED IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, PLANNING AND ACQUISITION OF THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE FOUNDATION ASSETS, ADDING 639 HIGH QUALITY JOBS THROUGH MULTIPLE PROJECTS, INCLUDING ACADIA HEALTHCARE COMPANY AND MANY OTHERS.

FURTHERMORE, WE HAVE SECURED A 9.6 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY PROJECT, WHICH IS A VERY MUCH NEEDED TRANSPORTATION ACCESS PROJECT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION.

WE HEARD THE BOARD'S PRIORITY ON CONSERVATION AND NATURAL RESOURCE PROTECTION.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED MULTIPLE LARGE GRANT APPLICATION TO ACQUIRE LAMP, WHICH IS YOUR LAND ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT PLAN, PROGRAM PROPERTIES AND CRITICAL BEACH DUNE HABITATS BY LEVERAGING NON PROPERTY TAX FUNDING.

WE ARE WORKING TO ACQUIRE FUNDING AND FACILITATE PARTNERSHIPS TO CONSERVE THE MATANZAS RIVER ESTUARY HABITAT AND PROMOTE WATER CONSERVATION THROUGH OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT.

AS OF THIS MORNING, WE ACTUALLY JUST RECEIVED A GREAT NEWS MR. TACKLER JUST NOTIFIED ME THAT THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION REVIEW TEAM HAS REQUESTED TO TRAVEL FROM D.C.

TO CONDUCT A SITE VISIT OF THE DELTONA PROPERTY, WHICH IS RANKED THE NUMBER ONE ON OUR LAMP PROPERTY LIST.

AT THIS TIME, IT'S PRICED AT $14 MILLION.

THIS IS AN INDICATION THAT WE ARE A TOP CONTENDER FOR THE LARGE CONSERVATION RESTORATION GRANT.

WE'RE ALSO EXAMINING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSERVATION IMPACT FEE PAID BY DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ALL ABOUT IT IN AUGUST.

WE'RE PREPARED TO PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF OUR PAST AND PRESENT, PRESENT CONSERVATION EFFORTS WITH THE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AND STRATEGICALLY THOUGHT OUT WITH MAXIMIZED CONSERVATION EFFORT, WITHOUT PLACING PROPERTY TAX BURDEN ON OUR RESIDENTS.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR BUDGET RECOMMENDATION TODAY FOR 2025 INCLUDES A 2 MILLION FUNDING FOR THE COUNTY LAMP PROGRAM.

THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS WE HAVE CONTINUED TO FOSTER AND RELY ON ARE CRUCIAL TO OUR SUCCESS.

WE ARE LAUNCHING A NEW WEST AUGUSTINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PILOT PROGRAM.

TASK FORCE IS FORMED TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM UTILIZING COUNTY OWNED LOTS IN WEST AUGUSTINE, AND TO PROVIDE FUNDING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA TOWARDS A HOMEBUYER PROGRAM.

TODAY, WE RECOMMEND A WEST AUGUSTA HOUSING TRUST FUND TO BE ESTABLISHED WITH AN INITIAL ALLOCATION OF $650,000 FUNDED BY CRA, TIF TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR MUCH NEEDED PLANNING AND ROWE ACCESS FOR THOSE LOTS.

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WEST AUGUSTINE COMMUNITY LEADERS AND THE PARKS FOUNDATION COLLABORATED ON A PLAN TO SUCCESSFULLY RELOCATING THIS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE, CANRIGHT HOUSE, WHICH ALSO IS NAMED AS THE MLK BEACH HOUSE.

MOVING AHEAD, OUR BOND PROGRAM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, PARKS AND RECREATION, AND LIBRARY INVESTMENTS WILL BE FINALIZED IN SEPTEMBER.

THE SOUTH PART OF THE ARMY CORPS FEASIBILITY STUDY IS COMPLETE AND WE'RE PROGRESSING WITH THE COMPLETION OF A CONGRESSIONAL WORK PLAN.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP TOWARD A POTENTIAL 50 YEAR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN FOR THAT SECTION OF THE BEACH.

WE ARE PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THAT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS BEEN RANKED NUMBER ONE BY THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM TASK FORCE AND SELECTED AS THE LOCATION OF THE FUTURE FLORIDA BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM.

I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO OUR BUDGET TEAM, DEPARTMENT HEADS, OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET PROPOSAL.

YOUR HARD WORK AND COLLABORATION HAVE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT AND TRUST IN YOUR STAFF AS WE ENTER THE FINAL YEAR OF OUR TWO YEAR PHASE OF INFLATION CATCH UP. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND A 7.5% COST OF LIVING INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS EMPLOYEES.

THIS ADJUSTMENT IS AIMED AT IMPROVING RETENTION AND HELPING OUR STAFF CONFRONT THE RISING COST OF LIVING.

IT ENSURES THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ADEQUATELY SUPPORTED AND THAT THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE VALUED IN LIGHT OF THE ECONOMIC CHALLENGES FACED IN PREVIOUS YEARS.

TOGETHER, WE'RE MAKING STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS THAT WILL ENSURE THE PROSPERITY AND WELLBEING OF OUR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS EMPLOYEES TO OUR RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUST AND ONGOING ENGAGEMENT IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS.

THIS BUDGET REFLECTS OUR COMMITMENT TO LISTENING TO YOUR NEEDS AND WORKING TIRELESSLY TO BUILD A FUTURE WHERE ONLY YOUR NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS.

WE STAND HERE TODAY CONFIDENT IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE INVESTMENT WE MAKE TODAY WILL PAVE THE WAY FOR THE STRONGER AND MORE RESILIENT SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND THE NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION TO MR. JESSE DUNN, OUR OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT BUDGET DIRECTOR.

HE WILL WALK US THROUGH THE STATUTORY PRESCRIBED THE FIRST OF THREE STEP BUDGET PROCESS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS ANDREWS.

GOOD MORNING.

JESSE. DONE.

WELL. DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET OVERVIEW.

KIND OF WELL, ACTUALLY, MORE OF THE DETAIL.

I'D SAY MISS ANDREWS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN GIVING REALLY THE OVERVIEW, THE LAYMAN'S OVERVIEW.

WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO ABOUT 25 SLIDES OF MORE OF THE DETAIL OF THE BUDGET.

I THINK AS MISS MISS ANDREWS MENTIONED TO ME, I THINK WE OWE IT TO EVERYBODY, CERTAINLY TO SEE WHAT'S IN A $1.2 BILLION BUDGET THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU TODAY.

BUT FIRST, A LITTLE COMMERCIAL BREAK ON THIS, JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET IN ITS DETAIL MAY BE FOUND ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, SSFL US SLASH 2025 BUDGET, I GUESS ANOTHER BACKSLASH.

THAT INFORMATION IS THERE.

IT IS PRINTABLE.

IT'S ORGANIZED. IT USED TO BE ORGANIZED BY FUND ACCOUNTING PERSPECTIVE, REALLY ORGANIZED FOR THE SAKE OF ACCOUNTANTS.

AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE WE'VE REALLY ENGINEERED IT NOW TO BE ORGANIZED BY COUNTY SERVICE AREA.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING PARTICULAR, YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THAT INFORMATION.

IT'S MOBILE DEVICE FRIENDLY IF THAT IS YOUR WILL ON YOUR PHONE.

IT IS. SO IT'S ONLINE.

YOU CAN SAVE IT.

YOU CAN SAVE A FILE, YOU CAN PRINT IT.

YOU CAN HAVE A PDF VERSION OF THIS.

SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD TO OUR WEBSITE.

CLICK ON THAT RECOMMENDED BUDGET BLUE LITTLE LINK.

AND IT BRINGS YOU TO OUR ON AGAIN OUR RECOMMENDED BUDGET ONLINE.

AND AGAIN YOU CAN NAVIGATE IT AS NECESSARY.

YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE YOUR BUDGET DOCUMENT.

IN TOTAL IT'S OVER 1000 PAGES.

SO I RECOMMEND THAT CERTAINLY IF NOT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND SEND IT TO YOUR PRINTER AT HOME.

YOU MAY WANT TO SAVE A FILE.

IT'S LINKABLE. YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THOSE LINKS AND KIND OF MANAGE IT FROM THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.

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SO AGAIN ENJOY.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO KIND OF ROLL THIS PROCESS OUT ONLINE IN THIS FASHION.

SO MOVING INTO THE BUDGET CALENDAR FIRST AND HOW IT RELATES TO WHAT'S CALLED TRUTH IN MILLAGE OR TRIM.

THIS IS OUR BUDGET PROCESS, IF YOU WILL.

IN A NUTSHELL, IT'S ABOUT A SEVEN MONTH PROCESS BEGINS IN FEBRUARY.

WE HAD OUR ADMINISTRATORS BUDGET SESSIONS IN MAY, 28 SEPARATE SESSIONS.

THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, WE'VE GATHERED THAT INFORMATION.

WE'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM DEPARTMENTS, FROM THE COMMISSION AND FROM THERE MOVING FORWARD AFTER THAT.

THAT'S WHEN WE GET INTO EVEN MORE DETAIL ON THIS.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE THEN RECEIVED IN JUNE THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER BUDGET SUBMITTALS.

WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE BUDGET.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN JULY 1ST, WE RECEIVED THE CERTIFIED VALUES FROM OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER.

WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE BUDGET.

SO THAT'S OUR REALLY OUR LAST PIECE JULY 1ST.

AND HERE WE ARE MID-JULY RECOMMENDING A BUDGET AND ESTABLISHING, AGAIN, PER STATUTE, OUR PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES.

SO STILL PLENTY OF TIME.

IT'S IT'S MID-JULY.

WE HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS UNTIL WE GET TO THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN SEPTEMBER.

AS MISS ANDREWS MENTIONED, THIS IS A STATUTORILY PRESCRIBED PROCESS OUTLINED BY FLORIDA STATUTES AND THE FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE CALLED TRIM OR TRUTH IN MILLAGE, WHICH REALLY ESTABLISHES ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FOR OUR OFFICE TO PROVIDE IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS AND WHICH SAINT JOHNS COUNTY MUST ADHERE TO FIRST, IN COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 129 .03 THE COUNTY BUDGET OFFICER, WHICH IS WHAT I AM, SHALL PREPARE AND PRESENT TO THE BOARD A TENTATIVE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WE WILL ROLL OUT TO YOU TODAY.

AND THEN, SECOND, IN COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 200.065 EACH TAXING AUTHORITY.

THAT'S YOU. COMMISSIONERS SHALL COMPUTE A PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE NECESSARY TO FUND THAT TENTATIVE BUDGET.

PART OF THE MOTIONS TODAY WILL RELATE TO ADVISING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF THOSE MILLAGE RATES.

BUT AS WELL, WE WILL SET UP THE DATE, TIME AND PLACE FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE AND THE TENTATIVE BUDGET, WHICH I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WILL BE WE'RE PROPOSING SEPTEMBER 3RD, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT LATER ON IN THIS PRESENTATION.

RECOMMENDING A TENTATIVE BUDGET TO YOU.

SO AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, FLORIDA STATUTE.

129 AND IT'S IN THAT FIRST BUBBLE DOWN THERE, OUR RECOMMENDED BUDGET IS 1 MILLION, I'M SORRY, $1,215,721,492. AND CERTAINLY IT'S NOT OVER YET.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY CHANGES THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE AT ANY POINT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

THERE ARE CHANGES THAT SINCE WE'VE WE'VE RECOMMENDED A BUDGET OF CHANGE.

YESTERDAY, AS PART OF THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WERE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THAT WILL ADJUST THE LINE ITEM BUDGET.

SO THOSE WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD.

ANY CHANGES THAT THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO TRACK ALL OF THOSE AND ADD OR SUBTRACT IN THE BUDGET AS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS WELL THE MULTI YEAR CAPITAL AND GRANT CARRY FORWARD.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THIS MORNING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND APPROPRIATIONS, BOTH PRIMARILY THROUGH OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL OFFICE, AND WE WILL CARRY FORWARD THOSE APPROPRIATIONS FROM ONE YEAR INTO THE NEXT SO THAT SIMPLY, WE CAN EXPENSE THEM OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.

OUR FISCAL YEAR IS FROM OCTOBER TO SEPTEMBER, AND THERE'S NOT A CHANCE THAT WE'LL EVER SPEND ALL OF THOSE CAPITAL DOLLARS AND GRANT DOLLARS REALLY, IN A YEAR'S TIME.

THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE MULTI YEAR MULTIYEAR APPROPRIATIONS, SO WE CARRY THOSE FORWARD AS PART OF THE PROCESS GOING INTO THE TENTATIVE BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER.

THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN.

THIS IS FROM A FUND CATEGORY.

THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDS THAT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS.

AND AT 1.2 BILLION, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IN A IN A BUDGET THIS BIG, YOU HAVE A WAY YOU CAN ADDRESS MY NEED.

AND CERTAINLY WE TRY TO.

BUT WHAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO BREAK IT DOWN BY FUND CATEGORIES.

THE GENERAL FUND, AS YOU CAN SEE UP THERE, ABOUT $427 MILLION IS YOUR MOST UNRESTRICTED AREA.

AND WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GO INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S IN THERE.

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BUT THAT'S YOUR MOST UNRESTRICTED AREA.

WHEN YOU THINK OF GOVERNMENT AND YOU THINK OF, LET'S SAY, PROPERTY TAXES, THAT'S YOUR PRIMARY AREA IS THE GENERAL FUND.

THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, 420, 21 MILLION ARE MORE RESTRICTED.

WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE TWO MAJOR MILLAGES IN THERE FOR BOTH FIRE DISTRICT AND TRANSPORTATION TRUST.

BUT THOSE DOLLARS ARE SPECIFIC FOR THOSE THOSE NEEDS.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN THERE AS WELL.

THE COUNTY HEALTH IMPACT FEES.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES THAT WE COLLECT RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT, THOSE IMPACT FEES ARE PART OF THAT SPECIAL THOSE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, OUR TOURIST DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS, OUR BUILDING SERVICES DOLLARS.

WHEN PEOPLE PAY FOR PERMITS OR ANY SORT OF ANY SORT OF PAYMENT RELATED TO EXPANDING PROPERTY, ADDING A POOL, ANY FEES RELATED TO THAT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

THOSE DOLLARS FALL INTO SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS AND ARE RESTRICTED.

THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE SPENDING.

WE CANNOT USE THOSE AS UNRESTRICTED FOR ANY AND ANY PROJECTS THAT WE DESIRE.

SO PART OF THE THIS OPERATION IS, IS KIND OF DECIPHERING THE CONFUSION.

WHEN WE THINK OF A 1.2 BILLION, THERE ARE LOTS OF CATEGORIES.

AND THEN CONTINUING DOWN, I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, DEBT SERVICE FUNDS, THOSE ARE RESTRICTED FOR DEBT.

THAT'S DEBT THAT'S BEEN OBLIGATED.

AND WE ARE WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY OUR OUR PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.

SO THOSE ARE NOT DOLLARS THAT COULD BE REDUCED OR NECESSARILY RE-APPROPRIATED TO ANOTHER PROJECT.

CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS ARE THE AREA WHERE WE CAPTURE WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A CERTAIN PROJECT.

THAT'S WHERE WE SHOW THOSE CAPITAL.

WE TAKE THOSE DOLLARS, AND WE PUT THEM INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS SO THAT WE PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY A REALLY AN OVERVIEW THAT CAN GET INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE INTO THE ACCOUNTING.

AND IT AND WE MAINTAIN THOSE DOLLARS IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.

OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE OUR UTILITIES AND OUR SOLID WASTE.

THEY ARE THEIR OWN BUSINESSES, IF YOU WILL.

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DEBT SERVICE RESERVES, DEBT SERVICE.

THEY HAVE TO ESTABLISH RATES IN COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA REQUIREMENTS.

SO THOSE ARE NOT UNRESTRICTED DOLLARS.

THOSE ARE DOLLARS SPECIFIC TO WATER AND SEWER.

YOU USE THE EXAMPLE I'M NOT YOU KNOW, THERE IS IF YOU THINK OF A UTILITY MY WATER BILL SHOULD NOT PAY ULTIMATELY FOR, LET'S SAY, A PARK OR SOME OTHER OTHER INITIATIVE THAT'S OUT THERE.

ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE ALL ARE ALL CAPTURED IN THEIR RESTRICTED INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ARE PRIMARILY OUR HEALTH INSURANCE.

AND THAT'S REALLY AN AREA TO GATHER ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT REALLY TRANSPIRE IN OTHER FUNDS.

WE CAPTURE THOSE IN WHAT ARE CALLED INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, OUR HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, THAT THE COUNTY IS SELF-INSURED, AND THOSE ARE THE ACTIVITIES OF OUR HEALTH INSURANCE COMMITTEE THAT IS COMPRISED OF MEMBERS OF ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IS ON THAT, AND THAT IS CHAIRED BY PROPERTY APPRAISER EDDIE CRAMER.

I CAN TELL YOU JUST KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, A VERY I ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, VERY CONSERVATIVE DISCUSSION.

THIS YEAR IS INCREASE.

AND IF YOU THINK OF HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS AS, AS RELATIVELY DOUBLE DIGIT FROM YEAR TO YEAR, THE COST INCREASE IN THEIR RATE INCREASE, I'M SORRY, IS ABOUT 5.1%. SO THIS GROUP SCRUBS AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT GROUP SCRUBS THE THE TYPES OF HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN FINALLY THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO REFLECT FIDUCIARY FUNDS, PRIMARILY OUR OPEB OR OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFIT TRUST FUND THAT IS REQUIRED THAT TO TO FUND RETIREE RELATED HEALTH CARE COSTS ALIGNED WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BREAKING DOWN THOSE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

400. OH, I'M SORRY.

LET ME GO BACK ONE 421 MILLION FROM THE PREVIOUS PAGE.

ABOUT 100 MILLION OF THAT IS TRANSPORTATION TRUST RELATED TO MILLAGE AND GAS TAXES.

FIRE DISTRICT FUND, ABOUT $81 MILLION ALSO PRIMARILY.

AND YOU'LL SEE A CHART ON THIS LATER.

YOUR FIRE OPERATIONS.

YOUR RESPONSE FOR FIRE IS PRIMARILY THROUGH MILLAGE.

WE HAVE A SMALL MILLAGE FOR THE THE STATE HEALTH FUND, AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER OPERATIONS IN THERE.

BUILDING SERVICES, $24 MILLION RELATED TO PERMIT FEES AND OTHER FEES THAT COME IN THAT ARE RELATED TO BUILDING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY. BUILDERS DO NOT COME IN, IF YOU WILL, FOR FREE.

THEY ARE PAYING INTO THE INTO THE COUNTY AND THOSE DOLLARS ARE APPROPRIATED FOR ELIGIBLE PROGRAMS, PRIMARILY THOSE BUILDING CODE

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BUILDING AND CODE OVER OVERSIGHT OPERATIONS.

TOURIST DEVELOPMENT IS ANOTHER FUND THAT WE MAINTAIN.

THOSE ARE TOURIST DOLLARS THAT COME IN AND OUR TDC, OUR TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, CERTAINLY MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BOARD, BUT THOSE DOLLARS ARE RESTRICTED TO CERTAIN TO CERTAIN ELIGIBLE COSTS RELATED TO TOURISM, AS WELL AS RELATED TO OUR BEACH ASSETS AND THE ABILITY TO REINVEST BACK INTO OUR BEACHES, OUR COASTAL COMMUNITIES.

WE HAVE COURT RELATED FUNDS THAT COME IN OUR COURT.

TECHNOLOGY FUND IS ONE OF THEM.

WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL DISTRICT, PRIMARILY OUR CRAS, OUR WEST AUGUSTINE, OUR FLAGLER ESTATES AND OUR VILANO CRAS.

WE MAINTAIN THOSE AS SEPARATE OPERATIONS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR WITH OUR CRA PARTNERS.

WE HAVE CULTURE AND RECREATION FUNDS, INCLUDES THE BEACH OPERATIONS GOLF COURSE, THE PIER OPERATIONS.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE OPERATIONS.

THEY ARE KIND OF SMALL BUSINESSES THEMSELVES.

WHEN THE GOLF COURSE REOPENED, THIS COMMISSION SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING CONTINUES TO RUN LIKE A BUSINESS.

WE MAINTAIN THAT IN A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND, AND WE LOOK AT THOSE REVENUES AND EXPENSES EACH YEAR TO ENSURE THAT THOSE OPERATIONS AND THOSE RATES ARE, YOU KNOW, STAYING IN LINE, THAT THE REVENUES AT THIS POINT ARE COVERING OUR EXPENSES.

WE HAVE GRANT FUNDS.

CERTAINLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE SEEN COVID RELATED GRANT FUNDS THROUGH THE AMERICAN RESCUE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE RECURRING DOLLARS THROUGH OUR SHIP PROGRAMS AS WELL. AND WE MAINTAIN SEPARATE ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE.

SO THAT'S WHEN THERE IS AN AUDIT THAT COMES THROUGH FROM A FEDERAL OR STATE AGENCY THAT WE CAN GO RIGHT TO THOSE FUNDS, THOSE SEPARATE COMPARTMENTALIZED BANK ACCOUNTS, IF YOU WILL.

IT'S THE WAY I KIND OF THINK OF THEM.

AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THEM, EITHER FROM A 40,000 FOOT OR AD NAUSEUM.

WE CAN PROVIDE THE DETAIL OF WHAT WE'VE SPENT THOSE DOLLARS ON.

AND THEN WE HAVE A VARIETY OF OTHER SMALLER FUNDS THAT COMBINE ARE ABOUT $8.1 MILLION.

SO THOSE ARE REALLY THOSE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS.

KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL $1.2 BILLION RECOMMENDED BUDGET REVENUES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO KIND OF BREAK THIS DOWN, KIND OF GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE THINK OF THE GENERAL FUND OR ANY OF THOSE MILLAGE FUNDS, WE THINK, AGAIN, THE FIRST THING WE THINK OF ARE PROPERTY TAXES, BUT THERE ARE OTHER REVENUES, CERTAINLY IN A $1.2 BILLION OPERATION.

AND I'VE BROKEN DOWN ALL FUNDS UP HERE.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF PUSH OFF, IF YOU WILL.

THE FIRST ONE, THE TAXES, TAXES ARE 33% OF THAT OF YOUR OPERATION.

BUT THAT'S NOT JUST PROPERTY TAXES.

THOSE ARE FUEL TAXES AND A COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX AS WELL THAT'S IN THERE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE ACCUMULATED FUNDS.

MISS ANDREWS TALKED ABOUT ACCUMULATING RESERVES, RIGHT.

FOR FOR RAINY DAYS AND REQUIREMENTS IN SOME OF OUR FUNDS TO MAINTAIN RESERVES LIKE OUR UTILITIES AND OUR SOLID WASTE FUNDS.

WE'RE ALWAYS WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT RESERVE IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO GO THROUGH EITHER A DROP IN THE ECONOMY AND OR A TOUGH HURRICANE SEASON. SO THAT GREEN SECTION UP THERE OF OTHER SOURCES DOES INCLUDE PRIMARILY YOUR RESERVES OVER ALL OF THE APPROXIMATELY 100 FUNDS 15.8IN CHARGES AND SERVICES.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S THAT'S THE YELLOW PIE CHART UP THERE.

ANYTHING FROM BEACH DRIVING IF YOU BRING SOMETHING COMMERCIALLY TO A LANDFILL, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A HOMES AND YOU'RE CONNECTING YOUR WATER AND SEWER, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF FEES.

IF YOU DON'T DO IT, IF YOU DON'T PARTICIPATE, THERE IS NO FEE RELATED TO IT.

THIS IS NOT ON THE RESIDENTS.

WE TALKED ABOUT AMERICAN RESCUE, OTHER INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGENTS, DEPARTMENT REVENUE, GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT, AS WELL AS SOME STATE REMITTED REVENUES 4.6IN MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, INCLUDING IMPACT FEES, INTEREST EARNINGS.

AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T DO IT, IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE ACTIVITY, YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT.

THOSE IMPACT FEES ARE PRIMARILY COMING THROUGH DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE DOLLARS COME TO THIS COUNTY, AND THOSE DOLLARS ARE UTILIZED FOR PRIMARILY CAPITAL PROJECTS TO ADDRESS CAPACITY, ROADWAY, INFRASTRUCTURE, FIRE STATIONS, PARKS, BUILT COMMUNITY.

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I'M SORRY, COUNTY BUILDINGS OR PUBLIC FACILITIES.

SO THOSE IMPACT FEES ARE USED.

WE ACCUMULATE THEM OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

WE'VE ACCUMULATED THEM AND THEY ACCUMULATE SLOWLY TOWARDS PROJECTS 3.1IN ASSESSMENTS, PRIMARILY RECYCLING COLLECTIONS AND BUILDING PERMITS AS EXAMPLES.

AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T USE THEM, YOU'RE NOT BEING CHARGED FOR THEM.

AND THEN FINALLY FINES, INCLUDING COURT JUDGMENTS, SO THAT IN THAT CASE, IF YOU DO DO SOMETHING WRONG IN PARTICULAR, YOU WILL BE CHARGED.

THOSE ARE YOUR COURT JUDGMENTS AND FINES AND AND REVENUES IN THAT NATURE.

AND THOSE COMPRISE THE ENTIRE AREA, THE ENTIRE $1.2 BILLION BUDGET, AGAIN, WITH TAXES BEING 33% OF THAT, THAT OVERALL DISCUSSION.

THIS IS A CHART WE'VE BEEN USING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND IT SHOWS TAXABLE VALUE AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THE EFFECT WILL BE FOR PROPERTY TAXES. THE CERTIFIED VALUATION CALCULATION ON JULY 1ST FROM OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER REFLECTED A 13.2%.

AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THAT ORANGE BOX AND TO THE RIGHT AND TAXABLE VALUE GROWTH FROM FOR FY 25 OVER FY 2024.

CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, TO ME THIS THING REMINDS US WHAT GOES UP CAN CERTAINLY COME DOWN.

AND CERTAINLY MORE OPTIMISTICALLY, WHEN THINGS GO DOWN, THEY CERTAINLY CAN COME BACK UP.

AND WE CAN SEE WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT VALUATIONS.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE GREAT RECESSION AND WE'VE GROWN OUR WAY.

CERTAINLY WE'VE HAD THE WE'VE HAD CERTAINLY VALUATION INCREASES AND WE'VE GROWN IN TERMS OF OUR OUR VALUATIONS HAVE INCREASED.

IT'S NOT ALL TAXES.

IT'S IT'S IT'S RELATED TO YOUR TAXABLE VALUE, YOUR VALUE ON LET'S SAY YOUR HOME.

SO OVERALL WE'RE SEEING A 13.2% COLLECTIVELY, THAT 13.2% INCREASE RESULTS IN TAXES OF $40.8 MILLION.

THAT'S INCREMENTALLY OVER THE PRIOR YEAR, SPECIFICALLY TO THE GENERAL FUND, ABOUT 27.8 MILLION FIRE DISTRICT, 7.8 MILLION TRANSPORTATION, ABOUT 5.1, AND ABOUT A ABOUT 95,096 FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

WE I CERTAINLY PROVIDE THE ROLLBACK WHAT THOSE INCREMENTAL WOULD BE.

SO THE DIFFERENCE OVERALL IS ABOUT A $25 MILLION.

IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION ON ROLLBACK DURING THE SEPTEMBER 1ST HEARING.

BUT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT OUR 2025 RECOMMENDED BUDGET IS PREDICATED ON THAT FLAT MILLAGE, WHICH IS THE RELATED TO THOSE REVENUES.

AND THAT FINAL COLUMN THERE FOR FY 25, A 13.2% INCREASE IN TAXES, I'M SORRY, A 13.2% INCREASE IN VALUATION DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO A 13.2% INCREASE IN TAXES.

IN FACT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT TWO THIRDS OF SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY RESIDENTIAL PARCELS ARE PROTECTED BY WHAT IS CALLED SAVE OUR HOMES, WHICH IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S PROVISION THAT PROTECTS HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES FROM FULL PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN THAT ASSESSED VALUE.

HOMESTEADED PROPERTY OWNERS WILL EXPERIENCE ABOUT AN ABOUT 3% INCREASE IN TAXES OVER LAST YEAR.

WHEN I LOOKED AT I'LL JUST SAVE THAT INFORMATION.

AND A NON HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES ARE CAPPED AT 10%.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TAXING AUTHORITIES, I KNOW WE'VE HAD CERTAINLY PEOPLE IN HERE THAT COME IN MISTAKENLY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, NO MORE SCHOOL TAXES OR YOU KNOW, OR OTHER TAXES, NO MORE WATER MANAGEMENT, DISTRICT TAXES.

THE SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AS A TAXING AUTHORITY, LEVIES THE FOLLOWING MILLAGE.

THE LEVY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEVY THE FOLLOWING MILLAGES, IF YOU WILL.

AND I JUST SHOWED 2024 MILLAGE RATES UP THERE.

BUT THE BIG THREE REALLY THE BIG FOUR.

YOU HAVE THREE COUNTYWIDE MILLAGES ONE FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH AGAIN WILL FURTHER DISCUSS, ONE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND FOR OUR ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN WE HAVE A SMALLER ONE UP THERE, ABOUT 0.0160 MILLS FOR AGAIN, THE COUNTY HEALTH UNIT THAT IS, THAT SUPPORTS OUR STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS OPERATIONS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ALMOST COUNTYWIDE, AND THAT IS OUR FIRE DISTRICT FUND, AND THAT'S COUNTYWIDE FOR EVERY AREA EXCEPT THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHO

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HAS THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE DO MANAGE COUNTYWIDE EMS, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WHEN WE THINK OF FIRE RESCUE, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE FUND ACCOUNTING ON IT, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE SPECIFICS TO THIS, BUT THERE IS AN ALMOST COUNTY WIDE FIRE MILLAGE.

AND THEN WE HAVE EIGHT REGIONAL OR SPECIAL DISTRICT MILLAGES, ANYTHING FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE, SOUTH STREET LIGHTING DISTRICT TO SERENATA BEACH, MSTU TO THE PONTE VEDRA DUNE AND BEACH MSTU.

THOSE ARE NOT COUNTYWIDE, THOSE ARE REGIONAL.

SO IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS, THERE ARE THERE ARE BLUEPRINTED DESIGNATED AREAS.

THEN YOU'RE NOT BEING LEVIED THOSE MILEAGES.

IT'S THOSE FOUR ON TOP THAT REALLY THAT YOU'RE SEEING ALMOST COLLECTIVELY.

AGAIN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, THOSE ARE THE MILLAGE RATES, YOU SEE, THAT DERIVE FROM THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I'M GOING TO BREAK DOWN SOME OF THOSE AREAS INTO SOME OF THE DETAIL, STARTING RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WILL FIRE DISTRICT FUND.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE MILLAGE RATES.

THAT IS A MILLAGE RELATED FUND.

AND HERE IS A CHART BREAKDOWN OF THE FIRE DISTRICT FUND REVENUES AND EXPENSES.

IT'S A TOTAL OF 81 POINT ALMOST $4 MILLION FOR 25.

YOU CAN SEE PRIMARILY IN THAT CHART UP THERE ON THE SCREEN THAT 80% OF THAT IS PROPERTY TAXES.

THEY HAVE ACCUMULATED FUND BALANCE.

THEY HAVE SOME OTHER SMALL REVENUES THAT COME IN THROUGH THAT OPERATION.

BUT IN TERMS OF A RECURRING OPERATION, IT'S I HAVE IT NOTED ON THE BOTTOM, IT'S ABOUT $68.3 MILLION IN RECURRING REVENUES FOR WHAT IS FOR THE 25 BUDGET, A $68.1 MILLION OPERATION.

THAT IS A PRETTY TIGHT OPERATION RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU'RE TALKING RECURRING REVENUES TO RECURRING EXPENSES, THEY DO HAVE SOME FUND BALANCE IN THERE.

WE DO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF OF RESERVES, BUT WE ARE DRAWING THOSE RESERVES DOWN PRIMARILY FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

THEY HAVE AN ONGOING ENGINE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

THOSE THOSE VEHICLES, THOSE APPARATUS NEED TO BE REPLACED EVERY FEW YEARS.

SO WE HAVE AN ONGOING CAPITAL PROGRAM THERE THAT WE ARE FINDING OURSELVES NOW DRAWING DOWN ON THOSE RESERVES.

SO OUR CUMULATIVE RESERVES ARE ABOUT $7.8 MILLION, AGAIN, 68.3 RECURRING, 68.1 IN EXPENSE, RECURRING ABOUT A $200,000 POSITIVE GAP.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, THERE IS CERTAINLY AN ONGOING THERE IS SOME NEGOTIATIONS OR NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW WITH OUR FIRE UNION COLLECTIVE BARGAINING GROUP WITH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION THAT IS ONGOING.

THAT IS NOT FULLY REFLECTED IN HERE.

WHAT IS REFLECTED WAS WHAT MISS ANDREWS HAD REFERENCED EARLIER, WHICH IS THE 7.5%.

THAT IS A DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS THAN WHAT THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEEDS TO RESPOND TO.

THEY'VE, AS WE ALL KNOW EARLIER THIS SUMMER, JACKSONVILLE, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT TO THE NORTH OF US, HAD SOME CHANGES TO THEIR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AND HAVE CHANGED SALARIES.

SO THERE IS SOME THERE'S SOME CONCERN BOTH, YOU KNOW, FROM ALL SIDES, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE COULD YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SEE SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS OR PEOPLE MOVE UP INTO THAT DUVAL AREA OR MAYBE NOT MOVE UP THERE, BUT WORK UP THERE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES TO THAT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.

SO VERY TIGHT SHIP IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND STILL MORE ITEMS TO GO.

THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

TRANSPORTATION TRUST ANOTHER MILLAGE FUND.

RIGHT. PRIMARILY PROPERTY TAXES THAT THAT KIND OF TURQUOISE WEDGE THERE, ABOUT 45.5 MILLION.

WE ALSO HAVE OTHER GAS TAXES THAT COME THROUGH THERE, ABOUT 12.3, AND SOME OTHER REVENUES THAT COME IN PRIMARILY RELATED TO OUR FLEET OPERATIONS AND SOME DEVELOPMENT RELATED FEES THAT COME IN ABOUT $11.9 MILLION, RECURRING REVENUES OF ABOUT 69.1 IN THERE.

SO TRANSPORTATION TRUST LOOKS GOOD.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME NON-RECURRING DOLLARS THAT ARE IN THERE.

BUT WHEN I WHEN I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AN OPERATION, WE WANT TO LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT RECURRING REVENUES COVER RECURRING EXPENSES.

OTHERWISE WE FIND OURSELVES JUST LIKE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IN OUR OWN PERSONAL LIFE.

WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND MORE ON A RECURRING EXPENSE THAN WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN IN A RECURRING REVENUE.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IN PERSONNEL OPERATING ARE WHAT OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS A PROGRAM ABOUT $13 MILLION THAT

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GOES INTO MAINTAINING OUR EXISTING ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE OF ABOUT NINE PLUS SOME COUNTYWIDE.

WE HAVE COUNTYWIDE DRAINAGE PROGRAMS. WE HAVE COUNTYWIDE SIDEWALK PROGRAMS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THESE COUNTYWIDE.

WHEN YOU THINK OF ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S ABOUT $19.7 MILLION IN THE 25 BUDGET.

IF I TAKE AND LOOK AT THEIR RECURRING, THEY HAVE SOME GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE IN THERE AS WELL.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE RECURRING DOLLARS, THERE'S ABOUT 52.6 MILLION, 69.1 REVENUE, 52.6 MILLION IN EXPENSES. CERTAINLY THERE IS A GAP THERE.

YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY OUR REVENUES OVER EXPENSE, BUT THOSE REMAINDER OF DOLLARS HAVE CONTINUED TO BE PUT BACK INTO OUR CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

OUTSIDE OF IMPACT FEES FOR ROADS AND DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE USE TRANSPORTATION TRUSTS, SPECIFICALLY THE GAS TAXES IN THERE AND SOME OF THE PROPERTY TAX TO MAINTAIN TO INVEST IN OUR INTO OUR OUR OUR CAPITAL ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, FOR WHICH WE HAVE MANY THAT ARE STILL NOT FUNDED.

GENERAL FUND IS A WHOLE LOT MORE COMPLEX.

AGAIN, IT'S A 426, ALMOST $427 MILLION FOR 25.

YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PARTICULAR OPERATION, OVER 54% OF THIS OPERATION IS PROPERTY TAX.

WE HAVE SOME STATE REMITTED TAXES RELATED TO IT, HALF CENT SALES TAX.

WE HAVE OTHER REVENUES THAT COME IN THERE AS WELL.

WE HAVE NON-RECURRING REVENUES.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT WEDGES THAT ARE UP THERE.

WE HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WE HAVE OTHER BC PUBLIC SAFETY I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR EMS DEPARTMENT, OUR MEDICAL EXAMINER OR IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE HAVE OUR OTHER BC OPERATIONS OF 97, ALMOST $98 MILLION IN THOSE BC OPERATIONS FOR WHICH I'M GOING TO DRAW.

I'M GOING TO DRILL DOWN INTO THOSE IN A SECOND.

WE HAVE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND A SMALL AMOUNT FOR OUR COURTS SYSTEMS, BUT THAT'S ABOUT $29.7 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. AND YEAH.

YES, LET'S DRILL DOWN INTO THAT.

HERE ARE THE SPECIFIC AREAS.

THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A LINE ITEM BUDGET.

THE LINE ITEM IS IN THE IN THE ONLINE WORKBOOK.

IT COMPRISES AGAIN ABOUT 300 PAGES.

IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE LINE ITEM DETAIL OF THIS, THIS IS ROLLING THIS UP INTO SERVICE AREAS.

AND THIS IS A COMPARISON OF FISCAL YEAR 24 TO 25.

YOU CAN SEE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 9.6, FOR WHICH I'M VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE AND ABOUT AN 8% INCREASE, AGAIN IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE SAW IN OUR PROPERTY TAXES.

I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A WONDERFUL BUDGET TO BRING IN AT THE 9.6.

OUR OTHER CONSTITUTIONALS CAME IN ABOUT $4.1 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES YOUR PROPERTY APPRAISER AND YOUR TAX COLLECTOR THAT ARE PRIMARILY GENERATED IN FEES RELATED TO AD VALOREM COLLECTIONS AND LEVYING.

SO AS THE CERTAINLY WHAT WE EXPECTED THOSE THOSE OPERATIONS TO GO UP.

THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS SPOKE OF EARLIER THIS SUMMER, ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN ABOUT $1 MILLION IN VOTING EQUIPMENT FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO THAT'S PART OF THAT INCREASE AS WELL.

ON THE CLERK OF COURT SIDE.

AND I'LL GET DOWN TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

BC PUBLIC SAFETY, PRIMARILY OUR EMS DEPARTMENT, BUT INCLUDES COMMUNICATIONS AND THEN A MEDICAL EXAMINER ABOUT 3.1% OR OVERALL ABOUT 11% INCREASE.

WHEN WE GET INTO ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF, IF YOU WILL, ALMOST ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF WITHIN THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND.

AND I THINK THIS IS NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IT IS I KIND OF ROLL IT ALL UP INTO THAT.

BC THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, NON PUBLIC SAFETY AREAS, PEOPLE GET PUBLIC SAFETY, THEN THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THAT LOOKS LIKE.

IT IS ABOUT A 3% INCREASE FROM 24 INTO 25.

YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 94.9 MILLION, INCREASING TO ABOUT $97.8 MILLION, ABOUT A $3 MILLION INCREASE.

WE DO HAVE A ONE TIME ERP.

WELL, I'LL SAY AN ONGOING PROCESS, BUT THE ERP, THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLAN, WHICH HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND HAS BECOME QUITE OBVIOUS REALLY, AFTER COVID.

BUT BEING ON AN OBSOLETE ACCOUNTING PLATFORM THAT IS OVER 20 YEARS OLD AND FINALLY MAKING THE CERTAINLY THE

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TRANSITION IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY RECURRING AND NON-RECURRING COSTS IN THERE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT AN $8 MILLION PROGRAM FOR 25.

WE'VE HAD SOME CAPITAL INVESTMENT REDUCTIONS GOING INTO 25.

WE HAVE TRANSFERS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT ARE GOING UP ABOUT $4 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES SOME DEBT THAT INCLUDES AS WELL, THE LAMP PROGRAM THAT MISS ANDREWS TALKED ABOUT AS WELL.

THAT'S A $2 MILLION TRANSFER OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THEN JUST TO KIND OF KEEP ACCOUNTING ON SOME OF THE GRANTS BECAUSE GRANTS COME AND AND GO.

THEY'RE MULTI YEAR IN 24.

WE HAD ABOUT 15.7 MILLION IN GRANTS THIS YEAR.

IT'S A LITTLE LOWER.

THIS IS ALSO BEFORE CARRY FORWARD.

BUT ONE OF THE LARGER PROGRAMS WE HAD IN THE GENERAL FUND WAS COMPLETED THIS YEAR.

AND THAT WAS THE CDBG-DR PROGRAM.

THE DISASTER RECOVERY DOLLARS WAS FINALLY COMPLETED THIS YEAR.

AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON THAT PROGRAM.

THAT WAS A 4 OR 5 YEAR PROGRAM, ABOUT $89 MILLION OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS RELATED TO DISASTER RECOVERY THAT WERE EXPENSED IN THE COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THAT PROGRAM NO LONGER EXISTS BECAUSE THOSE THOSE DOLLARS HAVE WE'VE WE FULLY EXPENSED THOSE FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS.

WE DO HAVE A RESERVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW OF ABOUT $4 MILLION THAT IS RELATED TO MISS ANDREWS TALKED ABOUT.

I ALSO HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING THAT IS A SET ASIDE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE RECURRING.

AND THAT'S AN UP TO AMOUNT.

MISS ANDREWS IS MENTIONED SHE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SEE THAT OVERALL FINANCING COME DOWN.

AND AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THOSE MEETINGS, SHE CONTINUES TO COME DOWN ON US TO BRING THOSE COSTS DOWN, IF LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THOSE THAT'S THAT'S GOING THROUGH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY TEAM.

AND I WILL SAY THOSE ARE FAIRLY CONTENTIOUS AND TOUGH CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE TO HOW DO WE GET THIS DOWN AND STILL DELIVER THE THE END PRODUCT THAT IS THAT IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND THEN OUR CUMULATIVE RESERVES ARE ARE UP BY ABOUT $12.3 MILLION.

PART OF THAT IS RELATED TO OUR TARGET RESERVES OVERALL, BUT OUR RESERVES INCLUDE SOME RESTRICTED DOLLARS THAT ARE OUT THERE, CERTAINLY DOLLARS THAT ARE RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE EITHER NOT READY TO USE YET.

SOME ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE.

SOME. SOME ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE, IF YOU WILL.

THERE IS A TARGET RESERVE IN THAT $88 MILLION.

THAT'S A THAT'S ABOUT 50 POINT.

THAT IS OUR ULTIMATE RESPONSE.

THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION BY THE REALLY BY A NATIONAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES NACCHO AND GFOA TO MAINTAIN 60 DAYS AND THAT 60 DAYS HAS CERTAINLY IS A CUMULATIVE RESERVE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE RECURRING.

WE'VE HAD TO DRAW DOWN ON THOSE IN THE PAST, HURRICANES MATTHEW AND IRMA AND THEN CONTINUING FORWARD FROM THERE.

NICOLE AND IAN AS WELL.

WE UTILIZE THESE GENERAL FUND RESERVES TO TO RESPOND IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR IF YOU THINK A DEBRIS PICKUP EMERGENCY ACTIVATION THOSE ARE YOUR TWO REALLY GETTING YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE OUT THERE TO RESPOND IN THE COMMUNITY.

THOSE ARE YOUR BIGGEST ACTIVATION COSTS AND NECESSARY FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THOSE RESERVES ARE THERE FOR THAT.

WE WERE LUCKY THERE.

CERTAINLY IN MATTHEW I'LL SAY DELIBERATE, BUT ALSO LUCKY.

WE SAW OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE THOSE DOLLARS.

CERTAINLY WE WERE AND WERE BORROWING MONEY IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THOSE EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

WE HAVE JOE GIAMMANCO AND HIS TEAM AND SOME OF MY OMB TEAM THAT THEN WORK WITH FEMA.

AND, BOY, TALK ABOUT A PAINSTAKING PROCESS TO THEN BRING THOSE RESERVES BACK IN, FOR WHICH WE HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING THOSE DOLLARS BACK IN.

BUT THAT IS YOUR SAFETY NET.

AND THEN WE HAVE THERE IS A CLERK OF COURT RESERVE THAT THIS COMMISSION IS APPROVED ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.

AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT $29 MILLION IN UNRESTRICTED RESERVES.

THIS COMMISSION, THROUGH THE COURSE OF A FISCAL YEAR, WILL DRAW DOWN ON RESERVES.

THERE WILL BE MOTIONS, EITHER THROUGH CONSENT OR ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

THEY CANNOT BE TAKEN AT ANY OTHER PLACE BUT THROUGH THIS ACTIVITY HERE, THROUGH THIS COMMISSION TO UTILIZE THOSE RESERVES AND FROM TIME TO TIME, THERE MAY BE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR WHICH THOSE RESERVES ARE CALLED UPON, AND THIS COMMISSION WILL APPROVE THEM.

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SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THOSE RESERVES.

THAT'S ABOUT $29 MILLION.

LET ME GO FURTHER INTO THERE'S ONE UP THERE.

THERE'S IN A LIGHTER BLUE THE BC NON PUBLIC SAFETY THERE IS.

AND I'LL GO BACK REAL QUICK.

IT'S ABOUT 94.9 TO 97.8 MILLION.

AND THERE IS THE 94.9 IN TOTAL TO THE 97.

AND IT BREAKS DOWN INTO THESE AREAS.

PARKS AND RECREATION HAD A PRETTY SLIM INCREASE FOR 25.

A LITTLE LESS THAN A MILLION.

OUR GROWTH IN COASTAL AREAS ACTUALLY SEE A REDUCTION.

SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WE'VE BECOME MORE SOPHISTICATED IN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE COASTAL PROGRAM TO UTILIZE THAT CATEGORY.

FIVE. THAT HAS REALLY BEEN THIS COMMISSION'S, YOU KNOW, A PRIMARY A WONDERFUL DECISION AND TO TO UTILIZE DOLLARS ACCUMULATE DOLLARS TOWARDS THESE COASTAL PROJECTS.

SO PART OF THAT COASTAL ISN'T THAT IT'S NECESSARILY GOING DOWN, IT'S THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING MORE OF THOSE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS WHERE WE CAN.

LIBRARY SERVICES IS AN INCREASE OF ABOUT $670,000.

PART OF IT IS SOME NEW FEES.

PART OF IT IS THE ANNUALIZING OF SOME OF THE THE EXPANDED HOURS THAT WE THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED AND THAT BEGAN IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.

THIS WILL BE THE ANNUALIZED COST ON THAT.

SO A 7.3% INCREASE.

OUR HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND INDEPENDENT AGENCIES UP ABOUT 414,000.

OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND INCENTIVES PROGRAM, WE JUST THE COMMISSION JUST HAD THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. THAT PROGRAM VARIANTS RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 250,000 AND THAT NON-OPERATING THAT 2 MILLION IS A IS A PLUG NUMBER FOR WHICH I BRING BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THAT'S AN EXPENSE FOR WRITE OFFS.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE LAST AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU APPROVE IN SEPTEMBER.

IT'S GENERALLY A CONSENT.

SOMETIMES IT GETS PULLED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, BUT WE PUT A SET ASIDE.

AND ACTUALLY WE'VE JUST MET WITH FIRE RESCUE JUST LAST WEEK.

AND WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM.

WE'RE DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HOPE TO SEE ACTUALLY THAT COST GO DOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME THROUGH A PROGRAM NEXT YEAR THAT OUR CHIEF IS LOOKING INTO GOING INTO GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES.

WELL, WHAT ARE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES MEAN? YOU KNOW, FROM 47 TO $48 MILLION.

THERE IS YOUR 47 TO $48 MILLION PROGRAM, YOUR FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.

THAT IS PRIMARILY THAT'S CERTAINLY A LARGE PROGRAM UP THERE.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE THOSE THOSE MAINTENANCE DOLLARS.

THIS IS THE MAINTENANCE ON YOUR COUNTY FACILITIES.

ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, A PIER PAVILION TO THIS FACILITY HERE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF FACILITIES IN THIS COMMUNITY.

FACILITIES MANAGEMENT UNDER DAN WHITCRAFT MANAGES ALL OF THOSE ASSETS, LITTLE EXCEPTION WITH SOME OF THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT BUT THAT THAT GROUP MANAGES ALL OF OUR ASSETS, OUR MIS DEPARTMENT IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN FOR 25.

SOME OF THAT IS RELATED TO SOME OF THE CONTRACTS, POSSIBLY RELATED WITH THE ERP, THAT ARE GOING TO OFFSET WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION.

HUMAN RESOURCES IS DOWN FOR 25.

COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PRIMARILY ARE OUTSIDE ATTORNEY'S SERVICES THAT ARE IN THERE.

OMB HAS A $46,000 INCREASE.

WE DO HAVE A POSITION THAT'S IN THERE THAT'S RELATED TO THE ERP.

OTHERWISE, WE HAVE SOME OFFSETS IN THERE PURCHASING ABOUT 365,000.

THEY ALSO HAVE AN ERP RELATED POSITION.

WE HAVE SOME CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE CRAS FOR WHICH WE ARE REQUIRED TO PAY FUNDING INTO, AND THAT INCREASES ABOUT A $300,000. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THAT IS, AT ABOUT $146,000 INCREASE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

PUBLIC AFFAIRS COUNTY ADMINISTRATION IS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION GRANTS AND LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS AND INCREASE.

AND AGAIN, KIND OF GOING THROUGH VETERAN SERVICES DOWN RISK MANAGEMENT UP RELATED TO A THE ADDITION OF A POSITION.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT GENERAL GOVERNMENT, WHEN PEOPLE GO WHAT'S IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT HERE IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE OPERATIONS.

AND HERE IS THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE IN THOSE KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES OPERATIONS, PRIMARILY ABOUT A $1.1 MILLION INCREASE TO THAT OPERATION OVER 47.

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SO AGAIN, ABOUT A 2.3% INCREASE.

A LOT TO SAY THERE ON THE GENERAL FUND.

AND I THINK IT WAS OWED FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THAT OPERATION.

CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO FORGET STATE OF FLORIDA APPROPRIATIONS.

SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS RECEIVED 26, ALMOST 26.5 MILLION, IN COMBINED STATE OF FLORIDA APPROPRIATIONS RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY TRANSPORTATION COASTAL. YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE.

$7.5 MILLION FOR A REGIONAL TRAINING FACILITY, 7.5 MILLION FOR STATE ROAD 16 IMPROVEMENTS SIX.

6.5 MILLION FOR COUNTY ROAD 2209.

ALMOST. ALMOST 4.8 MILLION.

THAT WOULD BE AN ONGOING PROGRAM.

AND THEN $225,000 TOWARDS THE LINCOLNVILLE MUSEUM.

NOT ALL OF THESE APPROPRIATIONS ARE YET IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

SOME OF THOSE WE WILL ADD IN.

AND IF, AS WE ADD ANYTHING IN, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE DONE ON THE FLOOR IN SEPTEMBER.

NEW PERSONNEL.

WE HAVE 62 POSITIONS IN TOTAL, AND THEY ARE BROKEN DOWN HERE, 27 POSITIONS IN TOTAL FOR FIRE EMS, OF WHICH 21 OF THOSE ARE FIREFIGHTERS, SPECIFICALLY FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS PRIMARILY FOR THE FLAGLER ESTATES FIRE STATION. SO THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, 18 OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THERE OF THE 21.

THERE'S ALSO SOME TRAINING POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THERE AND THAT I THINK 1 OR 2 ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS, THAT DETAIL IS IN YOUR BOOK.

WE CAN GET INTO THAT AT ANY POINT, AND CERTAINLY SO AS WELL, THE COMMUNITY CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS.

UTILITIES AS 8.5 POSITIONS.

GENERAL GOVERNMENT HAS EIGHT, AND I'VE NOTED THEM ON THE BOTTOM THERE THREE RELATED TO OUR FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, TWO ASSOCIATED WITH PUBLIC AFFAIRS, ONE FOR PURCHASING, ONE FOR OUR MISS, OUR IT DEPARTMENT AND ONE FOR INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS.

WE HAVE 5.25 FOR THE ERP.

THEY'RE NOT ALL JUST FOR THE ERP.

THERE ARE SOME RELATED TO PURCHASING.

THERE ARE. THERE IS ONE RELATED TO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

WHEN A NEW ACCOUNTING SYSTEM IS IN PLACE.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND I'LL CERTAINLY DEFEND THOSE POSITIONS FOR MY, YOU KNOW, AS A AS A DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, THERE ARE SOME NEW REQUIREMENTS WITH WITH SOME NEW ADVANTAGES.

THERE'LL BE SOME NEW REQUIREMENTS.

SO WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SO 5.25 POSITIONS FOR THE ERP 3.6 FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

ONE OF THEM INCLUDES AN ASSOCIATE MEDICAL EXAMINER POSITION THAT'S IN THERE FOR NEXT YEAR.

SOME RELATED TO ANIMAL CONTROL.

ABOUT THREE POSITIONS FOR LIBRARY SERVICES, 2.7 FOR PUBLIC WORKS, TWO FOR HOUSING, FOR WHICH THERE ARE GRANT OFFSETS.

SO THOSE ARE NOT JUST BEING PICKED UP IN THE GENERAL FUND.

THEY WILL HAVE GRANT OFFSETS, ONE FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS AND ONE FOR OUR VETERAN SERVICES.

THOSE ARE THOSE COMPRISE ALL OF THE FTES FOR NEXT YEAR REQUESTED OR RECOMMENDED RATHER.

CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND ARE AGAIN I'LL INVITE YOU TO TO SEE WHAT'S THIS IS ON THE WEBSITE BUT ABOUT $140 MILLION OF OF PROJECTS.

AND I KIND OF WANT TO STOP ON THIS CHART A LITTLE BIT.

THE TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE ON THE LEFT, PRIMARILY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

$58.8 MILLION IN PROJECTS FOR OUR ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, FOLLOWED BY UTILITIES AND SOLID WASTE.

KIND OF OUR ENTERPRISE OR BUSINESSES.

47.5 THEY PAY THOSE THEIR RATES AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS, THEIR UNIT CONNECTION FEES, WHICH ARE KIND OF THE UTILITY IMPACT FEE PAY FOR THOSE OPERATIONS, PAY FOR THAT CAPITAL.

WE HAVE 15.7 ASSOCIATED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, CULTURE AND RECREATION ABOUT 15.2.

AND THEN WHAT I KIND OF ROLL UP INTO GENERAL GOVERNMENT $3 MILLION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IN THE BLUE IN THE BLUE CIRCLE, IF YOU WILL, ARE WHERE THOSE DOLLARS COME.

THEY ARE NOTS. AND I YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW THIS COMMISSION KNOWS, BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS.

THESE ARE NOT ALL TAX DOLLARS.

IN FACT, THERE ARE VERY LITTLE IN TAX DOLLARS HERE.

53 MILLION COME FROM IMPACT FEES.

ENTERPRISE FUNDS 44 POINT ALMOST 44.6 MILLION, NOT PROPERTY TAXES DOES COME RELATED TO WATER AND SEWER RATES, BUT PRIMARILY THROUGH UNIT CONNECTION FEES.

THEY ALSO DID A RECENT BORROWING ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

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SO THOSE THOSE ARE YOUR REVENUE SOURCES.

TRANSPORTATION TRUST, WHICH IS A PRIMARILY YOUR GAS TAX IN THERE, ABOUT 30.3 MILLION.

THEY ALSO HAVE WE ABOUT 7.5 OR 6 POINT 5 TO 7.5 IN.

NOPE. THAT'S GOING TO BE SEPARATE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY A GRANT, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE LINE THERE.

AND THEN WE HAVE GRANTS AND OTHER OFFSET, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH EITHER THIS COMMISSION GOING THROUGH THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL OUR LEGISLATIVE GROUP GOING AND OBTAINING OTHER GRANTS, AS WELL AS OUR DEPARTMENTS OBTAINING GRANTS.

SO THERE IS ABOUT $6 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND, $6.1 MILLION COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR SOME OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR NEXT YEAR. $140 MILLION IN PROJECTS, SIX OF IT COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS.

AND THIS IS A PARTIAL LIST.

AND AGAIN I HAVE ON THE BOTTOM HERE CERTAINLY INVITE YOU.

YOU CAN SEE THE FULL LIST ON OUR RECOMMENDED BUDGET WORKBOOK AT W-W-W DOT BLAH BLAH BLAH THERE.

BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PROJECTS HERE.

CULTURE AND RECREATION.

WE HAVE 3.5 MILLION FOR THE SAN SEBASTIAN BOAT RAMP AND PARK, KIND OF KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS.

THIS COMMISSION MADE THE PURCHASE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO FOR THAT, FOR THAT THE FOR WHAT WAS CALLED IN HOUSE, IF YOU WILL, THE GENOVAR PROPERTY.

THESE ARE SOME GRANT DOLLARS THAT THAT HAVE COME COME IN WITH THE AVAILABILITY TO EXPENSE THOSE INTO THAT PROGRAM.

THE DAILY ON SHORES PARK AT 2 MILLION SALIMAN CALHOUN PARK.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE SOME OF THE THE ACTUAL ATHLETIC FIELDS.

$2 MILLION PACETTI BAY NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, 1.5 MILLION WORLD COMMERCE CENTER, OUTDOOR COURT FACILITIES 1.2 MILLION 850,000 FOR PORPOISE POINT VEHICLE RAMP IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE WITHIN GENERAL GOVERNMENT, THE THE LARGEST ONE, THERE IS A $1.2 MILLION RELATED TO THE OLD JAIL AND A DEMOLITION.

THE DEMO OF THAT AND IMPROVING PARKING, EXPANDING PARKING OVER THERE.

IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER, I WON'T SAY I'M OVER AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR ANY OTHER REASON BUT BUSINESS.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS CERTAINLY MAXIMIZED OUT THERE.

AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US BECAUSE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OWNS THESE FACILITIES THAT ALLOWS US TO EXPAND THOSE OPERATIONS.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH THIS COMMISSION TO ENSURE THAT WE OPTIMIZE THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE.

SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS CAME TO THIS COMMISSION AS PART OF HER RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND BROUGHT ABOUT $1 MILLION IN VOTING TABULATION EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE A PHASE TWO FOR THE TAX COLLECTOR'S REMODEL.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE NECESSARILY IN PHASE ONE IN TERMS OF THE STATUS, BUT THAT WAS FUNDED IN 20 FOR THE PHASE TWO WILL BE FUNDED NEXT YEAR TO COMPLETE THAT. AND THESE ARE AGAIN JUST EXAMPLES.

AND WE ALSO HAVE THE GTV STUDIO PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

THE FUNDING FOR THESE MAY NOT REPRESENT THE TOTAL PROJECT AMOUNTS.

IF WE GET INTO SOME OF THE ROADWAY PROJECTS, THEY ARE LARGER PROGRAMS FOR WHICH WE TRY TO ACCUMULATE, PHASE THESE PROJECTS AND PUT AS MANY DOLLARS FROM YEAR TO YEAR ON THESE PROJECTS.

PUBLIC SAFETY.

THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE LEGISLATURE AWARDED $7.5 MILLION FOR THAT TRAINING FACILITY.

THAT'S IN THE BUDGET I MENTIONED.

THERE ARE FIRE APPARATUS AND EMS AMBULANCES, REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS, ABOUT 5.2 MILLION.

WE HAVE PARTIAL FUNDING FOR THE FLAGLER ESTATES FIRE STATION AT 2.2.

PART OF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE DISCUSSION IN SEPTEMBER ABOUT THE BONDING.

THE. THERE WAS AN EVACUATION SHELTER PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONTINUING THROUGH AND I DON'T WANT TO CERTAINLY READ EVERY ONE, WHICH I'M FINDING MYSELF SUDDENLY DOING HERE. BUT THERE UP HERE, THERE ARE CERTAINLY UTILITY PROJECTS THAT ARE HERE.

TRANSPORTATION, INCLUDING OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT 2209.

WE DO HAVE SOME GREENBRIAR ROAD WIDENING DESIGN THAT'S IN FOR 24 AT $1.5 MILLION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR, THESE AREN'T THE FULL COST OF ALL OF THESE ROADWAY PROJECTS.

THESE ARE PUTTING DOLLARS TOWARDS THESE LARGER PROGRAMS AND USING IMPACT FEES WHERE WE CAN WHERE AVAILABLE.

FINALLY, THE OTHER PROGRAM WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, MISS ANDREWS, TALKED ABOUT IN APRIL, THE COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE ADMINISTRATION, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, TO MOVE FORWARD AFTER WE HAD PROVIDED TWO.

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THERE WERE TWO PRESENTATIONS, ONE RELATED TO REGIONAL PARKS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS, THE OTHER RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, THAT WE WILL ULTIMATELY BRING BACK A SOLUTION IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH WILL LIKELY INCLUDE A FINANCING PACKAGE, MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF THAT $4 MILLION THAT I HAVE REFLECTED AS A SET ASIDE IN THAT GENERAL FUND THAT WOULD ASSIST IN THAT DEBT SERVICE.

MOST OF THE REMAINDER OF THAT PROGRAM IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 25 RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

AT THIS POINT. THAT IS STILL A FUTURE DISCUSSION THAT IS ON THERE.

THE BOARD WILL MAKE THOSE FINAL DECISIONS.

COULD AS EARLY AS SEPTEMBER AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED UP.

OR REALLY ALL THE PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED UP ON THIS SCREEN.

AND FINALLY, I'LL JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ENTERPRISE RESOURCE, BECAUSE THAT IS AN $8 MILLION PROGRAM THAT'S IN FOR 25.

AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.

MISS SARAH TAYLOR IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN A IN A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA.

BUT FROM IN TERMS OF OUR CURRENT ACCOUNTING AND SYSTEM OF RECORD THAT IS USED BY THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND CLERK OF COURT, IT IS ON AN EXISTING PLATFORM THAT IS OBSOLETE AND SUNSETTING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

WE'VE BEEN ON THAT PROGRAM FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THE THE CURRENT ACCOUNTING, CONTRACT MANAGEMENT AND HR SYSTEMS ARE NOT INTEGRATED.

IT'S LITERALLY AT ONE POINT IN THE PROCESS, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO TAKE A PIECE OF PAPER AND RUN TO THE NEXT DEPARTMENT WITH IT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE TYPE OF THESE ARE NOT INTEGRATED SYSTEMS. THIS WILL BE AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM.

THERE'S CERTAINLY THE NICETIES, IF YOU WILL, OR WHAT'S IMPORTANT, TRANSPARENCY.

BUT AS WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTROL.

IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR AREAS THAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE, CASH MANAGEMENT, CERTAINLY AREAS THAT WE WANT TO IMPROVE THAT OUR CLERK OF COURT CONTROLLER'S OFFICE WANT TO AND WANT TO IMPROVE UPON GRANTS MANAGEMENT.

YOU'RE SEEING THE LEVEL OF GRANTS THAT WE'RE BRINGING INTO THIS COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNTING SYSTEM THAT HAS THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION.

SO GETTING INTO NOW THE THE TRUTH IN MILLAGE DISCUSSION.

THIS IS A STATUTORILY PRESCRIBED PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 200.065, EACH TAXING AUTHORITY SHALL COMPUTE A PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE NECESSARY TO FUND THE TENTATIVE BUDGET.

AND WE'LL TAKE THIS INFORMATION WITH A COMPUTATION OF ROLLBACK RATES AND THE INFORMATION AS WELL ON THE DATE, TIME AND PLACE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL PROVIDE THAT TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.

HERE IS KIND OF THE CALENDAR ON THAT.

SO WE CAN START FROM THIS IS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS.

STARTING FROM JULY 1ST THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CERTIFIES THE TAXABLE VALUE BY DAY 35.

THIS IS IN THE REQUIREMENTS, THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS BY AUGUST 4TH WE DIDN'T HAVE A BCC MEETING UNTIL AFTER THAT.

THE BCC MUST INFORM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF MILLAGE RATES AND THE TENTATIVE BUDGET HEARING BY DAY 55, WHICH IS ABOUT BY AUGUST 24TH.

THE PROPERTY APPRAISER MAILS TO THIS COMMUNITY THE NOTICE OF PROPOSED PROPERTY TAXES.

WE ALL GET THIS TRIM NOTICE, WHICH IS ALSO THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX NOTICE THAT IS PART OF THIS SAME PROCESS.

THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE IN MOTIONS TODAY WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD IN THAT THAT NOTICE OF PROPOSED PROPERTY TAXES, IN LINE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING A TENTATIVE BUDGET HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 3RD AND THEN RELATED, WHICH IS A NORMAL BCC MEETING DATE, IT WOULD BE AT A 501 OR AN EVENING, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THAT.

THERE WOULD BE A FINAL HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, AGAIN, PROBABLY A 501.

OKAY. RECOMMENDED.

OKAY. THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET AGAIN IS PREDICATED ON THE PROPOSED FLAT MILLAGE RATES.

PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES.

THE FIRST PUBLICATION, HEARING INFORMATION AND THE ROLLBACK RATE AGAIN IS USED IN THE TRIM NOTICES MAILED TO THE TAX TO EACH TAXPAYER.

ONCE ESTABLISHED, THESE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES CAN BE REDUCED.

THEY CAN'T BE, THEY SHOULDN'T BE.

THEY CAN'T BE INCREASED.

IF THERE IS A MOTION TO INCREASE THOSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RESUBMITTING A TAX NOTICE TO EACH OWNER IN THAT COMMUNITY.

JOY, DID YOU HAVE A YES.

I'M READING. YOU WANT TO STEP IN? YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

JESSE I WANTED TO STEP IN JUST RIGHT BEFORE WE GET TO THE MOTION.

I WANTED TO MAKE A POLICY CLARIFICATION AS PART OF THIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

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CAN WE GO BACK TO PAGE 2021? THIS IS RELATED TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE.

I WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION IN TERMS OF THE THE WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE, WHICH REALLY IS WHAT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REBATE PROGRAM ON VARIOUS PROJECTS.

BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THIS.

THIS BUDGET ACTUALLY REFLECTS A MAJOR POLICY RECOMMENDATION FROM US, WHICH IS TO ABANDON PREVIOUSLY BOARD ADOPTED ORDINANCE TO DO A 40% BUY DOWN ON COMMERCIAL IMPACT FEES.

I THINK WE HAVE HEARD THE BOARD THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE IMPACT FEE COLLECTIONS, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY FOR ACHIEVING SOME SAVINGS.

AND THAT WILL REFLECT A $2.5 MILLION SAVING SIMPLY BY REMOVING A 40% BUY DOWN USING GENERAL FUNDS TO LOWER AND PROVIDE A DISCOUNT TO COMMERCIAL IMPACT FEES.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT REAL QUICK CLARIFICATION.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU JOY. SO THE COMMISSION MOTIONS ARE HERE.

AND WITH THAT I'LL JUST KIND OF SAY THE THE FIRST MOTION IS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER APPROVING THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.

THE ADOPTED ARE FOR 24 ARE HERE.

AND THE PROPOSED WHICH ARE FLAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE FINAL COLUMN HERE.

AND AND AT THAT POINT I'LL HAND THIS OVER TO THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, MR.. JOHN. I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW AT 1130, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO TIME CERTAIN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AFTER THAT, THE BOARD'S GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF RECESS FOR LUNCH, AND WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE THIS ITEM, AND WE WILL COME BACK TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR HANGING IN THERE.

I KNOW THOSE SEATS DON'T GET MORE COMFORTABLE THE LONGER YOU SIT IN THEM.

I'M AWARE OF THAT. BUT THIS IS OUR BUDGET.

IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT AGENDA ITEM THAT WE HAVE ALL YEAR.

SO IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, MR. DUNNE HAS TO TAKE HIS TIME AND GOING CAREFULLY THROUGH EVERY DETAIL OF WHERE YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING.

SO I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT.

MR. DUNNE, I'VE GOT SOME THINGS THAT I'VE I'M PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE JUST GOT TO START TAKING ACTION.

THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THE FOLKS WHO RUN THE FIELD OF DREAMS HAVE BEEN PROMISED BY DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS OVER THE YEARS.

NONE OF WHO ARE SITTING UP HERE, BUT THEY'RE SIMPLY ASKING FOR BATHROOMS AT THEIR FACILITY.

THEY'RE IN THE SPECIAL NEEDS PROGRAM.

AND SOME OF THOSE KIDS COME TO THE BASEBALL FIELD IN WHEELCHAIRS.

SOME OF THEM HAVE OTHER MEDICAL NEEDS THAT REQUIRE OTHER EQUIPMENT.

AND THEY'RE FORCED TO USE PORTA POTTIES.

AGAIN, IT'S A DECADE LONG REQUEST FROM THIS ORGANIZATION WHO DOES AMAZING WORK FOR NOT JUST CHILDREN IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, BUT RESIDENTS ALL OVER NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET BOARD CONSENSUS, IF WE CAN FIND FUNDING TO SIMPLY FULFILL THIS DECADE LONG REQUEST AND BUILD THEM A BATHROOM AND A CONCESSION STAND TO GO WITH THAT.

IT'S A PRETTY SMALL REQUEST, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S REQUEST NUMBER ONE.

REQUEST NUMBER TWO.

IN THE INTEREST OF GOOD PLANNING.

WE HAVE DEVELOPER FUNDED ROAD WIDENING PROJECTS ON GREENBRIAR ROAD, ON THE WEST SIDE OF A LAKE AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF A LAKE OF GREENBRIAR ROAD.

SO WE HAVE THESE FOUR LANING PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY DEVELOPERS.

AND WE HAVE THIS PORTION IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S GOING TO BE TWO LANES.

IT DOESN'T HAVE FUNDING IDENTIFIED.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE US MAKING SOME OF THE SAME MISTAKES AS HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST, IN TERMS OF PLANNING.

IT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO ME THAT I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS DOWN GREENBRIER ROAD THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE A LANE OR A ROAD, GO FROM FOUR LANES, CHOKE DOWN TO TWO LANES AND BACK OUT TO FOUR LANES. I FEEL LIKE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY FUNDING, EVEN IF IT TAKES A COUPLE OF BUDGET YEARS TO DO THAT, A COUPLE OF FISCAL YEARS TO FIND THE FUNDING, THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION CREWS OUT THERE WIDENING THAT ROAD ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS MISSING LINK IN THE MIDDLE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS BOARD, IN THE INTEREST OF GOOD PLANNING FOR LAYING THAT MISSING MIDDLE PORTION OF GREENBRIER ROAD.

SO THAT'S FUNDING REQUEST NUMBER TWO.

AND THEN THE LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT THE LEAST IS, IS OUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES HAVE HAD INCREASES IN THEIR MINIMUM RATE OF PAY FOR STARTING SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS MY REQUEST SEEKING BOARD CONSENSUS.

CAN WE CAN WE RAISE AGAIN THE MINIMUM STARTING PAY FOR OUR SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES? THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE.

I KNOW THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT ABOUT WE NEED TO PAY THEM MORE MONEY.

BUT BUT FINANCIALLY, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD RAISE THE MINIMUM RATE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES STARTING PAY.

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DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT? NO. NO. OKAY.

YOU HAD THREE THINGS THERE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE ABOUT WHETHER ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET A RAISE ON THEIR THEIR HOMES AND IN TAXES BEFORE WE EVEN CONSIDER THAT. AND I HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT.

WELL, THOSE ARE MY THREE REQUESTS.

I CAN I CAN PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.

BUT I'D LIKE FOR COMMISSIONER JOSEPH TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS HER THOUGHTS.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THEN AFTER WE CONSIDER ALL OF THE INFORMATION, THEN I'D BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR AS AS WE'RE STARTING THE DISCUSSION AFTER HEARING THIS LONG PRESENTATION.

SO THANK YOU. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. OKAY.

SO JESSIE, BE PATIENT WITH ME, YOU GUYS.

I KNOW 1130. YOU WANT TO SPEAK, BUT, JESSE, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE COUNTY? THIS WAS MY 21ST YEAR.

SO HOW MANY TIMES HAS THERE BEEN A ROLLBACK? ONE. I KNOW OF ONE OF RECENT OR IN COVID.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS A STATE MANDATED ROLLBACK.

I'M THINKING MAYBE TWO.

I WILL VERIFY THAT.

SO WHAT WAS THE ECONOMIC PROBLEMS DURING THOSE ROLLBACKS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN HOUSES AND LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY? SURE. THE FIRST ONE THE STATE OF FLORIDA MANDATED THE ROLLBACK AND CHALLENGED LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO INCREASE THE THE INCREASE RATES.

IN FACT, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT IF YOU ROLLED, IF YOU BROUGHT YOUR MILLAGE RATES FORWARD, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME OTHER STATE REMITTED REVENUES NOT BROUGHT, NOT REMITTED BACK TO THOSE COMMUNITIES.

SO ONE WAS FROM A STATE OF FLORIDA, THE OTHER ONE WAS RELATED DURING COVID WAS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO ROLLBACK RATE, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WHEN WE WERE NOW THIS YOU KNOW, IN HINDSIGHT COVID, WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS OF WHERE.

BUT WHEN WE WERE IN THAT PROCESS THE AT THE TIME COUNTY ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDED A FLAT BUDGET BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. WE DIDN'T.

WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT.

WE HAD ALREADY CLOSED THE AMPHITHEATER.

WE HAD ALREADY REPURPOSED A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY INTO SOME OF THE THE COMMUNITY RESPONSE EFFORTS.

WE MAINTAIN FLAT OPERATIONS AT THAT POINT, AND WE ENDED UP WITH A COMMISSION THAT ROLLED BACK MILLAGE AT THAT POINT.

SO SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER TIME I CAN THINK.

AND THAT WAS AGAIN, KIND OF DURING THE COVID, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A REDUCTION OF ONE MILL AROUND, WHAT, 2005 OR 8 OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE WHEN THERE WAS A BAD ECONOMIC DOWNTURN OF HOMES THAT WAS PART OF THAT STATE MANDATED REDUCTION.

OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS A FLAT MILLAGE RATE IS A TAX INCREASE ON OUR HOMEOWNERS.

A FLAT MILLAGE RATE WILL RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN TAXES BECAUSE THEIR HOMES HAVE GONE UP 13%.

AND I THINK WITH THE ECONOMY THE WAY IT IS, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN ROLL BACK THE TAXES ON THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S MANY WAYS TO DO IT WITHOUT TOUCHING POLICE AND FIRE, WHICH IS THE EXCUSE I'M GOING TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT NOW'S THE TIME.

WE'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS IN THE AGENDA THAT DON'T NEED TO HAPPEN, INCLUDING THE 2050 VISION.

THAT'S WAY TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE FOR THE COMP PLAN.

WE'VE GOT AN AGENDA NUMBER FIVE.

WE HAVE MANY, MANY WAYS TO CUT THIS BUDGET AND TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT.

HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIE, DAVE? REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT GOT WELL, HE WAS THE FAKE PRESIDENT, GOT INTO THE ROOM AND GOT EVERYONE TO CUT THE BUDGET BECAUSE THEY ALL SAT AROUND A TABLE AND FIGURED OUT WHERE THEY COULD REALLY HELP THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK NOW IS THE TIME.

I MEAN, I WAS IN A MEETING WHERE A LADY SAID THE EGGS WERE SO EXPENSIVE, EXPENSIVE, AND SHE HAD TEENAGE SONS, AND SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE THEY ALL LIKE TO EAT LIKE EIGHT EGGS A DAY.

SO SHE'S TRYING TO GO TO FARMERS AND TRYING TO BUY HER EGGS.

I MEAN, I KNOW OUT HERE AS WELL AS MYSELF ARE MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE HELPING WITH OUR BUDGET BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY GROCERIES HAVE DOUBLED.

IT'S HARD OUT THERE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUT THE BURDEN ON THE HOMES, WHICH IS EVERYONE'S INVESTMENT.

I MEAN, HARDLY ANYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A HOME, THIS IS LIKE THEIR MAIN INVESTMENT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A POPULATION OF RETIRED FIXED INCOME PEOPLE LIKE VETERANS THAT CAN'T AFFORD A RATE INCREASE.

AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN, THROUGH JOY AND THROUGH YOU COME UP WITH SOME WAYS TO CUT BACK OUR BUDGET OR MORE, MORE THINGS TO MAKE MONEY ON.

I MEAN, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES AS WELL AS ADAM TECCHLER CAN FIND SOME MORE GRANTS.

THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS.

IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD RAISE TAXES, OKAY AT THIS TIME.

ROY, LET'S DO TIME.

CERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT.

I HAD A QUESTION.

OKAY? OKAY. SORRY.

IT'S OKAY. HENRY, IF YOU WANT TO GO QUICK, I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE TIME.

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CERTAIN. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE. QUESTION.

I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT WHEN ONE OF YOUR THREE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS AN INCREASE IN ENTRY LEVEL DEPUTIES.

YES, COMMISSIONER, I DIDN'T HEAR.

I DIDN'T HEAR A NUMBER.

WELL, A DOLLAR AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, I'D PAY THEM ALL 100 GRAND IF I COULD, BUT I'M REALLY KIND OF RELYING ON JESSE TO BRING US A RECOMMENDED INCREASE IN THEIR MINIMUM RATE OF PAY.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I DID NOT MAKE.

I JUST I DIDN'T KNOW IF I MISSED IT.

NO, SIR. BUT I DO WANT TO SEE THEM START THEIR DEPUTIES AT A HIGHER SALARY.

WE'RE COMPETING WITH JACKSONVILLE, WHICH IS RAISING THEIR DEPUTIES UP.

IT'S DIFFICULT FOR A SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN NEW DEPUTIES.

I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE THAT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, IT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT OUR DEPUTIES STARTING SALARIES IN THE LAST THREE YEARS WENT FROM 42,000 TO 40 TO 45,000 TO 50,000.

OR MAYBE IT'S UP TO 55.

SHERIFF, WHAT'S THE ENTRY LEVEL NOW? 55,000. SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.

WE HAVEN'T TRIED OUR BEST OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.

I THINK THE SHERIFF WOULD AGREE THAT WE'VE DONE PRETTY WELL IN INCREASING THAT ENTRY LEVEL DEPUTY SALARY UP.

I'M NOT AGAINST INCREASING IT.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT BEEN FLAT FOR NO THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. DEAN.

MADAM CHAIR, I KNOW WE HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL BECAUSE I AM AS WELL WITH THE DEPUTIES CONCERNED ABOUT THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF DUVAL COUNTY, I THINK THEY CAME OUT THERE STARTING OUT AT 68,000 NOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, I AM I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED WITH WITH WITH THAT.

AND I ECHO COMMISSIONER WHITEHOUSE'S COMMENTS, IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET THEM THE INCREASE.

THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND START TIME CERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT.

AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[Public Comment]

REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER, AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WITH BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY DISRUPTIVE DEMONSTRATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

FINALLY, I'D ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

MISS HARLEY-DAVIDSON.

MISS HARLEY-DAVIDSON? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW A VIDEO.

I WAS DENIED MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT THE HASTINGS NIGHT MARKET.

I HAD A 275 POUND MAN.

I'M. I'M LIKE 135 ON A GOOD DAY.

FOLLOW ME TWO CITY BLOCKS BECAUSE I WAS GIVING OUT MY BUSINESS CARDS AS A AS A CANDIDATE.

I WAS INTRODUCING MYSELF.

THIS MAN FOLLOWED ME DOWN.

HE WAS HE WAS SICKED ON ME LIKE A DOG, LIKE A DOG, A VICIOUS DOG.

AND HE WAS.

HE WAS SICKED ON ME BY THE ORGANIZERS.

JENN, DENNIS AND SALLY O'HARA.

I AM GOING TO GO AND MAKE A REPORT.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I WAS NOT DOING ANYTHING OUTLANDISH.

I WAS USING MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH ON COUNTY PROPERTY.

THEY THEY DO THIS UNDER THE GUISE OF A CIVIC ASSOCIATION.

YOU CANNOT RESTRICT MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

I AM A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THIS IS AMERICA FOR THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.

OKAY, AS FOR THE BUDGET, YEAH, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT.

THE COMMISSION CAN RESERVE TAKE THOSE RESERVES.

THE STATE CANNOT DO IT.

BUT YOU, AS A COMMISSION, CAN MAKE EACH ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS DROP IT DOWN TO A MINIMUM.

RESERVE. THEY ARE THREE TO 4 TO 5.

SAVE OUR TAX DOLLARS.

WE'RE BUYING 7.38 IN VEHICLES.

WAS THERE A NEED IN SOME CASES YES.

THE VETERANS BOY, THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN EMPLOYEE THERE SINCE NOVEMBER.

SO HOW MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T GET THEIR APPLICATIONS PUT IN? THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.

THE SOFTWARE, THEY ALL WANT NEW SOFTWARE.

SOME OF IT IS INTEGRATED.

THE SUBSCRIPTIONS LAST LIKE A YEAR.

OKAY. YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS.

JUST LIKE THE SUBSCRIPTION WE'RE PAYING, BECAUSE THE CLERK OF COURT LOST $2.4 MILLION.

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NOW HE'S ON DEPLOYMENT.

AND, OH, I COME FROM A MILITARY FAMILY.

I'M NOT ALLOWED TO POINT OUT CORRUPTION.

THERE'S CORRUPTION GOING ON.

OKAY, LET'S SEE WHERE ELSE.

THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

WHO'S FLOWN OUT OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY LATELY.

OKAY. I HAVE NEVER FLOWN OUT OF THERE.

I'VE TAKEN A LITTLE TOURIST PLANE BEFORE AND EXPLAIN THESE BONDS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT KIND OF OBLIGATION BONDS.

AND THE THE TERM THE PERIOD WILL INCREASE THE RISK.

YOU GUYS, WE GOT TO TIGHTEN THIS BUDGET UP AND BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

THANK YOU. CAN I GET THE WAY WE CALL THAT THING? OH, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH POTTER.

MY ADDRESS IS OUT FRONT.

TODAY, I'M PRESENTING CRUCIAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE STATE VOTER ROLL DATABASE AND HISTORY FROM THE 2022 GENERAL ELECTION.

A HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND CREDENTIALED TEAM OF DATA EXPERTS AT UNITED SOVEREIGN AMERICAN'S METICULOUSLY ANALYZED OFFICIAL ELECTION FILES FROM BOTH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

TO BE CLEAR, UNITED SOVEREIGN AMERICANS IS NOT ALLEGING FRAUD NOR SUGGESTING THAT ANY CANDIDATE'S VICTORY SHOULD BE QUESTIONED OR THAT RESULTS SHOULD BE OVERTURNED. THIS ANALYSIS BASED SOLELY ON OFFICIAL DATA PROVIDED BY THE STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS, REVEALS THAT NOT ALL VOTES COUNTED IN THE 2022 GENERAL ELECTION WERE VALID AND ACCURATE UNDER THE LAW.

THESE FINDINGS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

CURRENTLY, CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS LAWSUITS ARE TAKING PLACE IN OTHER STATES.

SO I HAVE THIS PACKET AND Y'ALL CAN REVIEW THE THE ANALYSIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH TIME.

I'M ASKING THAT YOU SUBMIT THESE APPARENT CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS TO THE.

SO TO INVESTIGATE AND RESOLVE.

ACCORDING TO FS 98.075, THE SDO DOES NOT NEED TO ACCEPT IDENTIFICATION OF REGISTERED VOTERS AS POTENTIALLY INELIGIBLE FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.

YOU ARE THE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT ENTITY.

PLEASE ACCEPT THOSE LISTS OF POTENTIALLY INELIGIBLE REGISTRATIONS AND ILLEGAL VOTES.

YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT THEM TO THE SSO FOR INVESTIGATION AND SUBSEQUENT ACTION.

CONTINUE TO SERVE ON UPCOMING CANVASING BOARDS.

WHEN ELECTION CAMPAIGNS AND ENDORSEMENTS DO NOT QUALIFY, YOU DO NOT CERTIFY THE ELECTION RESULTS IF QUESTIONS EXIST ON FRAUDULENT REGISTRATIONS AND ILLEGAL VOTING AND THE ELECTION FS 102 141.

IF YOU KINDLY LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE SAID TODAY, THEN SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING.

YOU'RE ACCEPTING REGISTRATION AND VOTING VIOLATIONS, WHICH WILL LIKELY BE HIGHER IN 2024 THAN IN 2022.

THIS IS A TOP LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE FINDINGS, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE EMAIL.

ELECTIONS ARE NOT GOING AWAY.

THE ISSUE IS NOT GOING AWAY.

I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS TO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

THANK YOU. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ADJUDICATION ONE OF YOU SITS ON THE ADJUDICATION COMMITTEE AT THE.

SO. SO IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO CERTIFY IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ELECTION, WHICH WE'VE HAD A LOT OF.

THANK YOU. HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CAPTAIN ADAM PENNOCK.

I'M THE OWNER OF AN UNINSPECTED PASSENGER VESSEL.

WE CARRY SIX OR LESS PASSENGERS.

YOUR ADDRESS? OH.

I'M SORRY. I LIVE AT 106 SANDPIPER BOULEVARD IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.

SO WE CARRY SIX PASSENGERS OR LESS FOR FISHING CHARTERS.

CURRENTLY, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S MARINE UNIT IS TELLING MYSELF AND OTHER UNINSPECTED PASSENGER VESSEL TOUR BOATS AND CHARTER BOATS IN THE INDUSTRY THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE PUBLIC DOCKS AND RAMPS THAT ARE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY FOR PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF OUR PASSENGERS.

PORTION OF ALL OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH ARE PAID DIRECTLY TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, GO TOWARDS FUNDING THESE DOCKS AND RAMPS.

AS WELL AS A PORTION OF OUR VESSEL REGISTRATIONS, OUR FISHING LICENSES AND EXCISE TAXES, WHICH ARE PAID ON FISHING EQUIPMENT AND TACKLE.

I WANT YOU TO ENVISION THIS SCENARIO.

PICTURE A FAMILY OR A GROUP OF FRIENDS VISITING TOWN THAT TOOK AN UBER TO ONE OF OUR MANY SAINT JOHNS COUNTY BEACHES OR PARKS AS THEY ARRIVED TO THE PARKING LOT.

THE UBER DRIVER HELPS THEM UNLOAD THEIR CHAIRS AND COOLERS AND ALL OF THEIR BAGS FOR A FUN DAY AT THAT PARK.

THIS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING ON SAINT JOHNS COUNTY PROPERTY, AS THE SAME FAMILY IS LEAVING THAT PARK LATER THAT DAY.

THEY CALL ANOTHER UBER, LYFT OR TAXI, ALL OF WHICH WILL PICK THEM UP FROM THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS ON SAINT JOHNS COUNTY PROPERTY THAT UBER DRIVER HAS ENGAGED IN THE SAME ACT

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OF PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF PASSENGERS FOR HIRE FOR COMMERCE, WHICH WE ARE INTENDING TO DO AT THE SAME AT SOME OF THE SAME SAINT JOHNS COUNTY MANAGED FACILITIES. WE ARE OPERATING IN ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT WAY THAN AN UBER OR LYFT DRIVER, WHICH PICK UP AND DROP OFF PAYING PASSENGERS AT THESE FACILITIES, ACCORDING TO THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE SUPPOSEDLY IN VIOLATION OF BY THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S MARINE UNIT.

UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP OR DROP OFF ANY PASSENGERS TO ANY BEACHES, PUBLIC PARKS, PARKING LOTS FOR THE SAME REASON.

NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS TO BE ALLOWED ON PARK PROPERTY THAT IS UNPERMITTED.

I URGE YOU TO SEEK A SOLUTION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THIS ISSUE.

OUR SMALL BUSINESSES DEPEND ON BEING ABLE TO USE THESE FACILITIES.

IF I CAN RECOMMEND AN AMENDMENT TO EXISTING ORDINANCES WHICH STATE NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY OR POSSIBLY AN EXEMPTION AT THESE DOCKS AND RAMPS ALLOWING PICK UP AND DROP OFF FOR OUR PASSENGERS. ANOTHER SOLUTION COULD BE A REGISTRATION SYSTEM WHERE WE, AS US COAST GUARD LICENSE CAPTAINS, PROVIDE OUR LICENSES AND PROOF OF INSURANCE FOR A REASONABLE LIMIT TO ALLOW USAGE OF US AT THESE FACILITIES FOR PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF PASSENGERS.

AS FAR AS OTHER REASONABLE OPTIONS IN TOWN, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NONE.

CONCOURS MARINA DOESN'T ALLOW NEW COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN THERE.

THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE MARINA WELL, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE DOWNTOWN.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST ISSUE WITH CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE MARINA, THE LIGHTHOUSE BOAT LAUNCH.

THEY KICKED US OUT OF THERE LAST YEAR.

IN THE SPRING OF 2023.

COMANCHE COVE MARINA WANTS $3,300 PER YEAR TO USE THAT FACILITY AT THEIR PUBLIC FIELD DOCK, WHICH HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

THANK YOU SIR. GOOD MORNING.

ANNE MARIE EVANS, PROTECTED ADDRESS A CANDIDATE FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT ONE.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY I WILL ALWAYS BACK OUR BLUE, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE A PROTECTED ADDRESS.

BECAUSE MY HUSBAND SERVED AS A POLICE OFFICER.

SO TODAY I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TO SPEAK.

OUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH HAS EXISTED FOR OVER 200 YEARS.

FREE SPEECH MEANS THE FREE AND PUBLIC EXPRESSION OF OPINIONS WITHOUT CENSORSHIP, INTERFERENCE, OR RESTRAINT.

RESTRAINT BY THE GOVERNMENT COMMISSIONER DEAN SPEARHEADED OR LED THE CHARGE TO CENSURE CHRISTA JOSEPH LAST FALL, SAYING HE HAD CONDUCTED RESEARCH AND BELIEVED THAT SHE WAS IN VIOLATION OF ELECTION LAW.

THREE OF YOU AGREED WITH COMMISSIONER DEANE AND MOVED FORWARD.

I HEARD ONE COMMISSIONER GO TO A LOCAL CLUB AND TALK ABOUT CHRISTA JOSEPH, AND HOW INSINUATE THAT SHE HAD BROKEN THE LAW, AND THAT THERE WOULD LIKELY BE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT SHOWED THAT CHRIS DEJOSEPH HAS UNDERWENT NINE MONTHS OF UNCERTAINTY IN HER LIFE AS SHE WAITED TO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE NEXT. WELL, LAST WEEK HER CASE WAS DECIDED AND THE JUDGE SAID, WELL, I'LL READ THE ENTIRE.

THE SUPREME COURT HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS MAY SPEAK FREELY ON POLITICAL TOPICS AND HIS REJECTED INTEREST THAT ASSERTEDLY JUSTIFY CURTAILING THAT RIGHT.

JUDGE SCHLESINGER SAID THE THREATENED PROSECUTION IS NOW CHILLING COMMISSIONER JOSEPH'S POLITICAL SPEECH AND PREVENTING HER FROM PARTICIPATING ACTIVELY IN THIS PRIMARY ELECTION.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT HARM.

I LOOKED ON THE WEBSITE TODAY FOR SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.

I STILL SEE THE CENSURE THERE, BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE IS AN APOLOGY AND WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD PUBLICLY FROM ANY OF YOU IS AN APOLOGY TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, WHO, BY THE WAY, HER SON DIED TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS.

THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH INCLUDED.

SHE DESERVES AN APOLOGY.

YOU SHOULD DO IT NOW. YOU SHOULD DO IT PUBLICLY.

AND YOU SHOULD DO IT WHEN THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN HERE, JUST LIKE THERE ARE NOW.

THANK YOU. I ASK TO RESPOND TO THAT.

MAY I CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.

YES, COMMISSIONER. DEAN, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE TAPE LAST FALL, I DID NOT ACCUSE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH OF VIOLATING THE LAW.

I SAID THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT I DREW NO CONCLUSION.

WHAT I SAID WAS.

AND THE REASON I MOVED TO CENSURE HER IS THAT UNDER OUR OWN COUNTY COMMISSION RULES, SHE WAS UNCOUTH.

SHE WAS CRUDE. SHE WAS DISRESPECTFUL OF OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

AND IF GIVEN THE SAME OPPORTUNITY, I'D DO IT AGAIN.

SO I RESPECTFULLY, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK RIGHT NOW.

YOU'RE DONE. I, I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT YOU'RE MISSTATING THE FACTS.

SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

ALL I GOT TO DO IS SAY DANGER.

WILL ROGERS, DANGER WILL ROGERS WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY.

OH MY GOD, I'M ONLY A LAYMAN.

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BUT DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE DEFINITION FOR NOTARY PUBLIC? WHEN A NOTARY PUBLIC SIGNS SOMETHING THAT NOTARY PUBLIC IS VERIFYING THAT SIGNATURE NOT 15 DAYS LATER.

OH MY GOODNESS, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING? Y'ALL THINK Y'ALL ARE? Y'ALL ARE ARROGANT, DISMISSIVE, ABOVE THE LAW.

BUT GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE BEING CONSIDERED AS THE THREE AMIGOS.

LOOK AT EVERYWHERE YOU GOT CAMPAIGN SIGNS.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY ARE, THEY ARE YOU.

YOU APPROVE THEM.

SO WHEN YOU WONDER WHEN PEOPLE COME UP HERE MAD, HOSTILE, Y'ALL ACT THE SAME WAY.

BUT Y'ALL HAVE THE PULPIT.

GOD BLESS. HAVE A GREAT DAY.

LET ME SEE THAT. OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, I GUESS ALMOST.

I AM SHARING WITH YOU A PHOTO THAT I JUST RECENTLY JUST RECENTLY.

OH, SORRY. ANN TAYLOR, 353 TAVISTOCK DRIVE, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I JUST RECENTLY TOOK THIS TOOK THIS PHOTO.

I DRIVE BY IT OFTEN.

AND WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS WHEN WHEN I HEAR AND TALK TO RESIDENTS OFTEN.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT I HEAR OFTEN IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT KEEP UP AND IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH ALL THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN AND IS CONTINUING TO BE APPROVED.

AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, THIS IS ACTUALLY TOCCOA HIGH SCHOOL, VERY NEW HIGH SCHOOL.

WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, THEY ALREADY HAD TO ADD PORTABLES.

ADDITIONAL PORTABLES WERE JUST RECENTLY DELIVERED THIS WEEK.

THIS WEEK.

CURRENTLY OUR COUNTY HAS AROUND 600 PORTABLES THAT WE'RE SPENDING AROUND $10 MILLION ON TO LEASE.

THESE PORTABLES ARE EXPENSIVE.

THEY'RE AROUND $50,000 TO SET UP.

I COUNTED HOW MANY PORTABLES ARE GOING INTO.

22 PORTABLES WERE DELIVERED THIS WEEK.

22, IN ADDITION TO THE SEVERAL THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE.

I HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS FROM PARENTS, FROM TEACHERS THAT ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED.

THE PRINCIPAL JUST SENT OUT A MESSAGE THIS WEEK THAT SOME OF THESE PORTABLES ARE GOING TO BE SET UP SO THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY TWO STORY.

TWO STORY PORTABLES.

ALSO, OUR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE LOSING VERY VALUABLE PRACTICE FIELD SPACE SO THAT THEY'VE GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

SO NOW WE'VE GOT A PRACTICE SPACE AND FIELD SPACE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOSING.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH WITH ADDING TO THESE PORTABLES.

WE KNOW AIR QUALITY VENTILATION THEY'RE HARDER TO CONTROL BY TEMPERATURE IN THAT.

BUT I THINK A VERY BIG ONE THAT I'M HEARING FROM A LOT OF PARENTS IS THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY.

THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE SAFETY PROTOCOL PROTOCOLS ARE GOING TO BE.

GOD FORBID THERE IS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER OR SOMETHING.

THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO MY CHILD IF, GOD FORBID, SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN IN OUR SCHOOL.

THE TEACHERS ARE VERY CONCERNED.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER LIVED IN AN APARTMENT THAT MAYBE WASN'T ON THE TOP FLOOR, AND YOU HAD PEOPLE RIGHT ABOVE YOU.

CAN WE CAN YOU IMAGINE A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR STUDENTS WHERE YOU'VE GOT OTHER STUDENTS RIGHT ABOVE THEM? IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE DISTRACTION.

AND I KNOW FOR A FACT, LIKE I SAID, FROM TALKING TO A NUMBER OF TEACHERS AS WELL AS PARENTS, THIS IS A BIG CONCERN.

SO AGAIN, WHEN WE ARE APPROVING ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS HOUSING, WE HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE HAVE GOT TO THINK ABOUT OUR KIDS.

WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THESE PORTABLES.

IT IS NOT FAIR.

THIS IS NOT FAIR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY.

SO I ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A HARD LOOK.

I'M SO TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

WAS APPROVED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN EVERY SITUATION.

WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT A THANK YOU.

HI, MY NAME IS CAPTAIN ANTHONY MENECHINO.

I AM THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF FRAUD BETTER FISHING CHARTERS OUT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

HERE MY ADDRESS IS 103 BUD HOLLOW.

I OPERATE OUT OF 3070 HARBOR DRIVE.

I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING ADAM SAID, BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU AS OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO SEEK A SOLUTION FROM YOUR STAFF, ALLOWING US TO PICK UP DROP OFF AT OUR COUNTY'S PUBLIC DOCKS BOAT RAMPS.

ALL THESE FACILITIES ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED BY A BUNCH OF OTHER VARIOUS COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS SHRIMP BOATS, FREEDOM BOAT CLUB, ALL KINDS OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES BEING USED THERE.

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF SOLUTION SO WE CAN RUN A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.

I CURRENTLY MOVED OVER TO COMANCHE COVE.

PAID TO $3,300.

BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA TO PICK UP, DROP OFF CUSTOMERS, LET THEM USE THE FACILITIES.

WE HAVE TO GO TO A FUEL DOCK, AND WHEN BOATS COME IN, WE'RE TOLD, STOP CLEANING FISH OR GET THEM BACK FROM THE BATHROOM BECAUSE YOU NEED TO MOVE YOUR BOAT WHILE OTHER BOATS COME IN TO GET FUEL AND YOU CAN COME BACK THERE.

SO YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR BOAT 2 OR 3 TIMES.

AND IT JUST IT'S A LONG PROCESS AND THE CUSTOMERS ARE NOT HAPPY AND THEY'RE DISSATISFIED.

WITH US CONDUCTING BUSINESS THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO STOP TENDING TO THEM AS THEY ARE THE CUSTOMER.

IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION OR SOME PLACE THAT IS JUST DEEMED FOR YOU KNOW, RECREATIONAL AND SOME OTHER PLACE THAT'S DEEMED FOR JUST CHARTER BOATS OR SOMEWHERE TO OPERATE A BUSINESS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. MICHAEL MCDONALD, WINDSWEPT ACRES.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THE AMOUNT OF INTENSIVE AGRICULTURAL LAND WE HAVE IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY, AND WE HAVE A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN EFFECT AND GOING TAKING PLACE.

ALL WE HAVE IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY IS 42,000 ACRES OF INTENSIVE AGRICULTURAL LAND, WHICH IS OUR POTATOES, OUR LETTUCE, OUR CABBAGE, OUR ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF.

42,000 ACRES, ONE JUST SOLD ON 214.

THAT WAS 1000 ACRES.

THAT WAS ONE FARM. SO CONSIDER HOW MANY THIS TRULY IS.

IT MAY BE 60 TO 70 FARMS PER SE.

IF WE DO NOT PROTECT THESE FARMS, THIS NUMBER IS GOING TO BE DEPLETED.

AND THE NEXT NUMBER THAT THEY'RE COMING AFTER IS THE SILVICULTURE LAND.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THESE LANDS PROTECTED IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMING UP.

I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE CONSIDERATE OF THE SILVICULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL LAND THAT IS NEEDS TO BE WELL PROTECTED IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.

I HOPE THAT IS YOUR PASSIONS BECAUSE OUR LAND CANNOT BE REPLACED, ESPECIALLY FARMLANDS.

OUR POTATOES CANNOT GROW IN AREAS WHERE POTATOES CANNOT GROW.

LETTUCE CANNOT GROW.

AS OUR POPULATION EXPANDS, WE NEED EVER.

EVER MORE PRODUCE FOR OUR PEOPLE.

SO WITH SEEING THE NUMBERS DWINDLE AND DWINDLE AND DWINDLE AND THE MASS DEVELOPMENT COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY HEADED WEST IN SOUTH TOWARD THOSE AREAS, I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TOUCHING BASE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AMENDING IT TO ANYTHING YOU CAN, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'M READING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT KIND OF DETERS A LITTLE BIT OF INTENSIVE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.

BUT IT YOU KIND OF I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO PUT A STANDARD ON IT.

IT'S OUR FARMLAND. IT'S FLORIDA'S FARMLAND.

IT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.

THIS IS I'M TALKING TO FARMS THAT ARE SENDING THIS STUFF OUT INTERNATIONALLY.

IT'S NOT JUST NATIONALLY.

IT'S NOT JUST LOCALLY.

IT'S INTERNATIONALLY.

THAT'S THAT'S WHERE OUR PRODUCE IS GOING.

AND BECAUSE IT'S GOING INTERNATIONALLY IS BECAUSE IT'S BEING SOLD OUT AT A MASS RATE EVERYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES IS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO CONSIDER A RESOURCE IN ANYWHERE THAT IS WILLING TO PROVIDE TO THEM, AND ANYWHERE THAT CAN SHIP TO THEM.

SO I HOPE YOU GUYS KNOW THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY IS THE POTATO CAPITAL, YOU KNOW, SORRY, HASTINGS IS THE POTATO CAPITAL, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT SOIL WEST BY THE RIVER.

AND I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE PROTECTING EVERY BIT OF IT WHEN THERE'S 1000 ACRES OF POTATOES COMING UP.

I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE WORKING WITH THAT DEVELOPER TO SEEK THE GRANT FUNDING THAT HENRY WAS MENTIONING LAST WEEK.

TO PROTECT THAT FARM TO WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO SELL TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO BUILD THOUSANDS OF HOMES THERE.

THEY CAN GO TO THE STATE AND SEEK FUNDING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE REALLY, TRULY LOOKING THROUGH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PROTECTING OUR FARMLANDS AND OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU YOU GUYS, THE BOARD IS THE ONE THAT PROTECTS IT. SO PLEASE, OUR FARMLANDS AND OUR POTATOES ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS ALDEN SHIELDS.

I LIVE AT 206 17TH STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR MY CASE.

I'M HERE TO EXPLAIN WHY MY CHARTER BUSINESS AND OTHERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE PUBLIC DOCKS AND BOAT RAMPS FOR PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF CLIENTS.

FIRST OFF, THE ALTERNATIVES WE HAVE NOW ARE JUST EXPENSIVE.

THEY'RE DOWNRIGHT IMPRACTICAL.

THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE EATING INTO MY BUSINESSES AND OTHERS PROFITS AND MAKING IT HARD TO SUSTAIN OPERATIONS.

PLUS, THEY'RE NOT EFFICIENT, WHICH AFFECTS THE QUALITY OF SERVICE I CAN PROVIDE FOR MY CLIENTS.

THE PUBLIC PIER IS A KEY PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN DRASTICALLY IMPROVE OUR OPERATIONS.

HAPPY CLIENTS ARE REPEAT CLIENTS AND THAT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE.

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OUR CLIENTS BRING TAX REVENUE TO THE COUNTY THROUGH HOTEL STAYS, FOOD AND DRINK PURCHASES, ETC..

MOREOVER, THE CURRENT SITUATION IS FRUSTRATING NOT JUST FOR ME, BUT FOR OTHER CAPTAINS AS WELL.

WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH THE SAME ISSUES.

THE PIER IS ALREADY USED BY VARIOUS COMMERCIAL ENTITIES LIKE SHRIMPING BOATS AND DREDGING BOATS.

COMPARED TO THEM, WE CAPTAINS SPEND LESS TIME AT THE PIER.

WE'RE IN AND OUT QUICKLY, WHICH MEANS WE'RE NOT TAKING UP SPACE FOR LONG PERIODS.

ADDITIONALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MY TAXES, VESSEL REGISTRATION, FISHING, FISHING LICENSES ALONG WITH THOSE OF OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES HELP PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THESE PUBLIC FACILITIES.

IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT WE HAVE REASONABLE ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES THAT WE ARE FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTING TO ECONOMICALLY.

ALLOWING CHARTER BUSINESSES LIKE MINE TO USE THE PIER WITH WILL BOOST LOCAL COMMERCE, WILL BRING TOURISTS WHO SPEND MONEY AT NEARBY SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS, DRIVING ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AND SUPPORTING LOCAL JOBS.

THIS IS A WIN WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I'M COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO ENSURE THAT OUR OPERATIONS AT THE PIER ARE SAFE AND EFFICIENT, WE WON'T INTERFERE WITH OTHER ACTIVITIES AND WILL MAINTAIN THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CARE.

IN CONCLUSION, GRANTING ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC PIER FOR CHARTER BUSINESSES WILL SOLVE MANY OF THE ISSUES WE'RE CURRENTLY FACING.

IT'S A PRACTICAL AND ECONOMIC SOLUTION THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE INVOLVED.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN.

PLEASE CONSIDER ASKING YOUR STAFF TO DRAFT AN AMENDMENT TO EXISTING SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY ORDINANCES, WHICH STATE NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY WITHIN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY PARK PROPERTY OR AN EXCLUSION FROM THESE PUBLIC BOAT RAMPS AND PUBLIC DOCKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER UNTIL BREAK.

NICOLE. NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY RESPONSE FROM RODERICK POTTER AT CODE ENFORCEMENT IN PONTEVEDRA RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S EXACTLY ONE SIGN UP FOR TWO CANDIDATES, BOTH NAMED ANNE.

THEIR SIGNS ARE GETTING PICKED UP IN PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO HAVE THE SIGNS.

THIS IS EXTREMELY UNFAIR TO THEM.

THIS IS A CAMPAIGN.

THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY CALLS, NO RESPONSE EMAIL PHONE.

NOTHING. NOTHING.

MEANWHILE, I SEE THE OTHER THREE CANDIDATES SIGNS AND ALL KINDS OF PLACES THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, INCLUDING THE END OF MY STREET.

I'VE COMPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THAT SIGN.

NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.

OKAY. I WANT TO JUST TRANSITION TO SOMETHING ELSE ACTUALLY RELATED TO ADVERTISING.

IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

I HEARD COMMISSIONER JOSEPH CALLED UNCOUTH A COUPLE OF MOMENTS AGO BY COMMISSIONER DEAN FOR THE WAY THAT SHE ADDRESSED THAT STATEMENT.

SORRY. THE BOARD ADDRESS COMMENTS TO THE BOARD ON THIS INDIVIDUAL.

I WAS REFERRING TO THEM IN THE THIRD PERSON, BUT ANY RATE SHE WAS CALLED UNCOUTH FOR SAYING THERE'S HOPE AND THAT THAT THAT IF THEY'RE TIRED OF OVER DEVELOPMENT AND CLEAR CUTTING AND ETC., THERE'S HOPE.

THERE'S AN ELECTION COMING UP.

OKAY. THAT'S CALLED UNCOUTH.

I WANT TO SAY WHAT MY DEFINITION OF UNCOUTH IS.

MY DEFINITION OF UNCOUTH IS WHEN ANN TAYLOR IS WHEN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE TOLD IN MAILERS AND IN TELEVISION THAT ANN TAYLOR SUPPORTS SEX CHANGES FOR CHILDREN MERELY BECAUSE SHE WORKED FOR A PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY FIVE YEARS BEFORE AN ARTICLE CAME OUT ABOUT THAT COMPANY AND A PUBERTY BLOCKING DRUG.

AND BY THE WAY, THE PUBERTY BLOCKING DRUG THAT SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, SHE WORKED ON AN ARTHRITIS GEL DRUG AT THAT COMPANY.

BUT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

OH MY GOD, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT ANN TAYLOR AND THE SEX CHANGES FOR CHILDREN? THAT'S UNCOUTH.

HERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S UNCOUTH.

SAYING THAT ANN MARIE EVANS IS IS PROPOSING A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE THAT'S SORT OF ON PAR WITH SAYING SHE'S A SERIAL KILLER.

IT REALLY IS. WHEN YOU SAY THAT ABOUT A CANDIDATE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KILLING HER CAMPAIGN AND THERE'S NOTHING TO IT.

THERE'S A FACEBOOK CITATION TO NOWHERE IN THAT COMMERCIAL TO TO NOWHERE.

IT'S A DATE. YOU LOOK IT UP.

THERE'S NOTHING.

THERE'S NOTHING THERE. HOLY.

FABRICATING THESE STATEMENTS TO SHATTER THESE WOMEN'S REPUTATIONS.

I CALL THAT UNCOUTH.

AND THAT'S THOSE COMMERCIALS ARE ARE PROMOTING INDIRECTLY, OBVIOUSLY PROMOTING TWO PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD.

SHE WAS EVANS WAS ALSO DESCRIBED AS BRINGING HER LIBERAL WOKE POLICIES WITH HER FROM SEATTLE.

WE ALL KNOW I MEAN THE NEWS.

EVEN THE NEW YORK TIMES SAYS THAT PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BLUE STATES FOR MORE CONSERVATIVE FISCAL POLICIES IN RED STATES.

ORLANDO SENTINEL SAYS RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ATTRACTED TO FLORIDA BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AS A RIGHT LEANING STATE.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CROSBY. I GOTTA RESPOND REAL QUICK.

15 SECONDS, 15 SECONDS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BREAK, AS I SAID, FOR 30 MINUTES FOR LUNCH, INDIVIDUALLY BEING CALLED OUT AS BEING VERY, VERY WRONG.

I DID NOT SAY THAT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH WAS UNCOUTH BECAUSE SHE WAS ASKING FOR HOPE OR SAYING TO THE PUBLIC, THERE'S HOPE.

I WAS CALLING FOR A MOTION TO CENSURE BECAUSE SHE WAS BASICALLY CAMPAIGNING FROM THIS DAIS FOR CANDIDATES RUNNING AGAINST MYSELF, CHRISTIAN AND ROY.

AND I THINK THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL AND WRONG WHETHER OR NOT IT VIOLATES THE LAW.

THAT'S DOESN'T MATTER. I'VE MADE MY COMMENTS AND I MOVED TO CENSURE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S JUST DISRESPECTFUL OF SITTING COMMISSIONERS TO DO THAT DURING A COMMISSION MEETING. AND I WILL I WILL CONTINUE TO STAND BY THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION, NOT BECAUSE OF HER SPEECH ABOUT THERE'S HOPE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL RECESS UNTIL 1233.

I HEREBY RECONVENE THIS MEETING, AND WE ARE BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

WE'RE WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

I BELIEVE, TO THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO, COMMISSIONER DEAN, I HAVE YOU ON MY SPEAKING LIST.

WERE YOU? YES.

OKAY. MIKE.

WE'RE BACK TO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.

YES. AND WE HAVEN'T GONE TO PUBLIC COMMENT YET.

YEAH, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I THINK I JUST DID THIS PROBABLY WON'T SHOCK ANYONE, BUT I WANT TO ASK FOR A CONSENSUS, IF POSSIBLE, TO ASK THE STAFF TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BOOST THE LAMP FUNDING AGAIN THIS YEAR.

IT'S CURRENTLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, JOY, OR WHOEVER'S OVER THERE.

BRAD JESSEE IS TWO.

2 MILLION THIS YEAR.

AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, I.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT INCREASED TO 5 MILLION A YEAR.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT THEN AGAIN, IF I DON'T ASK, I.

THERE'S THERE'S NO HOPE.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LAMP FUNDING AND I'LL JUST I'LL BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

BUT IT'S MY OPINION THAT ACQUIRING CONSERVATION LANDS, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE STATE OR FOR A REGION OR FOR OUR COUNTY, A FEW THINGS ARE MORE VALUABLE WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR RESOURCES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. BECAUSE WHEN WE BUY A LAND, IT'S IN PERPETUITY, HOPEFULLY.

AND WHEN WE CAN PUT MORE FORESTED WETLANDS AND TIDAL MARSHES AND BUILD OUR CANOPY GREATER IN THIS COUNTY AND DO IT IN A FAIR WAY, WHICH IS A VOLUNTARY ACQUISITION FROM A WILLING SELLER AT AN APPRAISED VALUE THAT REFLECTS MARKET VALUE.

I JUST I'M GOING TO CONTINUE.

AS LONG AS I SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION.

I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE CONSERVATION, LAND ACQUISITION AND THE AMOUNT YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THAT'S MY POSITION.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. DEAN.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

YES. I WAS JUST BRINGING UP NOT NOT ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT THE PUD SHEARWATER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 9:00.

ANY WAY TO SHARE TO PULL THAT FORWARD SO THEY COULD LEAVE OR I, WE NEED TO FINISH THIS ITEM PRIMARILY.

WE NEED TO FINISH THE BUDGET.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED THE AGENDA.

CAN THAT YOU CAN IF THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA, YOU COULD AMEND THE AGENDA.

OR I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERN IS KNOWING THAT THERE'S A REQUEST TO CONTINUE.

IF THAT REQUEST IS CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD, WHETHER OR NOT THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO STAY.

OKAY. WELL, IF WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THAT, IF I COULD MOVE TO MAKE THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE AFTER WE FINISH THE BUDGET.

SECOND, DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT OR OKAY.

PLEASE VOTE. OKAY.

IT'S NOW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

COMMISSIONER LIMA. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE HAD THE WE WENT INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE END OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION THERE, BUT I DID AS WELL.

I WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER WHITEHOUSE'S COMMENT ABOUT YOU KNOW, IF WE IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIND SALARY INCREASES FOR OUR DEPUTIES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE REPORT THAT JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS WAS HAVING A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THEIR FOLKS SALARIES.

SO AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THIS TO ME AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE GENERAL REVENUE GENERAL FUND SO OBVIOUSLY FIRE RESCUE, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MILLAGE, BUT THEY ALSO GO TOWARDS THE THERE'S FUNDING FROM THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL.

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WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE SAFETY WITHIN THE BUDGET? YES. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS FUNDED 100%.

NOW, THEY MAY THEY MAY RECEIVE SOME OTHER STATE OR GRANT REVENUES, BUT PRIMARILY THEIR OPERATION, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMES 100% FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

THE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WHEN AND WHEN WE TALK FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE ALWAYS TALK FIRE RESCUE.

BUT THERE ARE REALLY TWO COMPONENTS.

THERE IS THE EMS, WHICH IS COUNTYWIDE.

RIGHT. YOUR EMERGENCY MEDICAL RESPONSE IS COUNTYWIDE.

THAT IS COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT A 100% OF THAT OPERATION COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

THE FIRE RESCUE PORTION OF THAT, BECAUSE IS IS NOT COUNTYWIDE, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, ITS FIRE DEPARTMENT, EVERYTHING ELSE FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS FUNDED OUT OF THAT FIRE DISTRICT FUND.

AND THAT WAS A SLIDE I HAD SHOWN EARLIER TODAY.

AND THAT'S 100% OF THAT OPERATION COMES FROM THAT FIRE DISTRICT FUND.

RIGHT. BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE GENERAL FUND IS FIRE RESCUE AND AND SHERIFF LET ME SEE.

DO I HAVE HERE? LET ME SEE IF I HAVE A SLIDE.

THAT'S. IT'S POSSIBLY SOMETHING TO THAT.

SO YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE 25 BUDGET THERE, THAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS IN A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET OF THE 426, ALMOST 427 MILLION PULL OUT, 92 OF IT ON THE BOTTOM FOR RESERVES, 130 MILLION OF THAT IS THE SHERIFF AND THE BC PUBLIC SAFETY AND BC PUBLIC SAFETY JUST IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MS THAT'S MS COMMUNICATIONS IS $30.7 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE.

I CAN CALCULATE THEM, BUT THOSE ARE THE DOLLARS ON THOSE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU JESSE. APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD, LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

GOOD AFTERNOON. THAT'S LIVE IN BOX 304 ED SLAVIN.

COM. GOOD PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.

BUT I'M REMINDED, THOUGH, OF MY MENTOR CHIEF JUDGE NAM LIT, THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE LABOR DEPARTMENT FOR 16 YEARS.

HE TOLD ME THAT ANY GOVERNMENT BUDGET CAN BE CUT BY 10%.

WE DON'T EVEN TRY.

LET'S TRY THIS YEAR.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

THANK YOU FOR INCREASING LIBRARY HOURS.

I'VE BEEN CALLING FOR THAT FOR YEARS, SINCE BEFORE SOME OF Y'ALL WERE ON THE BOARD.

WE NEED TO RESTORE THE CULTURAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY, WHICH HAS BEEN EVISCERATED.

NOT ONLY WAS MR. TREY ASNER RUNOFF, BUT HIS SUCCESSOR NO LONGER WORKS THERE EITHER.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE PROTECTING OUR CULTURAL RESOURCES, BUT ONE OF THEM IS THE OLD JAIL.

AND I SPOKE WITH SHERIFF HARDWICK ABOUT IT.

THAT'S WHERE REVEREND DOCTOR MARTIN LUTHER KING JR WAS INCARCERATED.

NOW THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE BUDGET FOR DEMOLITION OF THAT OLD JAIL.

AND I REALIZE IT HAS ASBESTOS, BUT WE NEED TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH EPA SCIENTISTS AND WITH THE CULTURAL RESOURCES REVIEW BOARD AND SAVE AS MANY OF THE HISTORICAL OBJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OLD JAIL, WHICH IS NO LONGER OCCUPIED.

SHERIFF HARDWICK PULLED OUT ALL THE EMPLOYEES.

THERE WERE EMPLOYEES WORKING ON AN ASBESTOS CONTAMINATED BUILDING UNTIL SHERIFF HARDWICK WAS IN THAT OFFICE, AND I COMMEND HIM FOR DOING THAT.

ON LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, I HAD 104 QUESTIONS.

NONE WERE ANSWERED.

WOULD YOU PLEASE DIRECT BY VOTE TODAY THAT THOSE QUESTIONS BE ANSWERED? ALSO, COULD WE PLEASE DISCLOSE A COMPLETE LIST OF ALL OF OUR INTERNAL CONTROLS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THAT IS $786,785 EMBEZZLED UNDER SHERIFF SHAW OVER FIVE YEARS.

OUR INTERNAL CONTROLS ARE WEAK.

I'VE ASKED THE COUNTY FOR A LIST OF ALL OF OUR INTERNAL CONTROLS, AND I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT YET.

WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE REMIND JESSIE TO BE POLITE? MINUTES. HOUR.

MINUTES NO LONGER REFLECT WHAT CITIZENS SAY AT THIS PODIUM.

THAT IS INEFFICIENT.

THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL.

THAT IS GAUCHE.

WE NEED TO REVIVE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, WHICH USED TO EXIST UNTIL ABOUT 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE OFFICES IN THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND ADJACENT GOVERNMENTS WORK TOGETHER, LIKE IN DEALING WITH THINGS LIKE MOSQUITO BORNE DISEASES.

THREE ATTORNEYS HAVE LEFT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, INCLUDING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND TWO OF THE HIGHLY QUALIFIED ASSISTANTS WHO NOW WORK AT

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JACKSONVILLE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

WHY DID THEY LEAVE? IS THERE A HOSTILE WORKING ENVIRONMENT IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY DIRECTED AGAINST PROTECTED ACTIVITY? AND PEOPLE LIKE TREY ASNER, WHO ENGAGED IN PROTECTED ACTIVITY AND TRY TO DO THEIR JOBS WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOR.

ALSO, PLEASE ASK THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS FROM NOW ON TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGETS BY OCTOBER.

BY BY THEY CAN PRESENT IT UNDER THE STATUTE JESSE HAS EXPLAINED TO YOU ALL BEFORE.

THANK YOU, MR. SCHLICHTMANN. YOUR TIME IS UP.

WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? I WASN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO TALK ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS BUDGET.

AND, MA'AM, YOU WERE RUDE. THANK YOU, MR. SLOVIN. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? MICHAEL MCDONALD, WINDSWEPT ACRES NEIGHBORHOOD.

YES. THE THE THE PRESENTATION WAS VERY THOROUGH.

I APPRECIATE JESSIE'S PRESENTATION.

HE SEEMS LIKE HE THE 21 YEARS IS DEFINITELY SERVED HIM JUSTICE HERE.

HE CAN SPEAK WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK DOWN THE WHOLE ENTIRE TIME.

MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THAT THAT HE SWITCHED OVER AS THE $100 MILLION ECONOMIC OR.

SORRY. LET ME PULL THAT UP.

HE SKIPPED OVER IT.

THE IMPACT FEE FUNDS.

AND HE KIND OF CLARIFIED IT UP WITH JOY'S COMMENTS THAT 40% OF IT IS REIMBURSED FOR FOR THE FEES. I'M CURIOUS OF HOW WE CAN SPEND $100 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES IN ONE FISCAL YEAR.

I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF HOW THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN, HOW WE COULDN'T USE THAT FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, ETC..

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

I'D LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW WE SKIPPED OVER THE FUNDING CATEGORIES OF $100 MILLION OF IMPACT FEES.

YEAH. I WOULD JUST LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND THERE'S DEFINITELY ROOM FOR SHAVING THINGS OFF.

I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW, $1.4 MILLION BUDGET IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE WHEN JOE ANDREWS MAKES 280, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES SHE'S GOT.

I MEAN, DOES SHE DOES SHE HAVE AN ADEQUATE RESOURCES IN PLACE? I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY HAS AS MANY ATTORNEYS AS THEY NEED.

JOY HAS AS MANY STAFF AS SHE NEEDS.

I SEE A DECREASE IN THAT.

AND I'M KIND OF I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LOOKING OVER THIS AND I HOPE YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR FINDING YOUR OWN LITTLE ISSUES THAT YOU FIND ALONG THE WAY.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHARLIE HUNT.

MILL CREEK ESTATES. OKAY.

FIRST OF ALL THE BOND ISSUE 144 MILLION.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE GET HAVE A TRANSPARENCY VISION INTO HOW MUCH THE BOND ISSUE WILL COST OVER X AMOUNT OF MANY YEARS TIMES THE INTEREST RATE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PULLED UNDER.

OKAY. WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

THAT'S TRANSPARENCY.

OKAY. ALSO IT IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE FLORIDA BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM BEING APPROVED FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, BUT WHERE IS IT GOING TO GO? DIDN'T SEE ANY MONEY FOR THE PROPERTY THAT SUPPOSEDLY BEEN WORKED OUT AND LOOKING TO SELL TO SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY.

BUT IS FLORIDA MEMORIAL UNIVERSITY GOING TO SELL IT TO SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY, OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO LEASE IT? AND THE SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY KNOW THAT BEFORE THEY WENT INTO PRESENT IT TO FLORIDA STATE? OKAY. OR UP IN TALLAHASSEE.

ALL RIGHT. KIND OF STRANGELY, OF ALL THE WORDS OF IT'S BEING PREPARED.

IT'S BEING PREPARED. IT'S BEING PREPARED THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

BUT IS IT GOING TO BE SOLD? THEY'RE GOING TO BUY IT, OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO LEASE IT? OKAY. OH, YES, IT IS TRUE.

FLORIDA MEMORIAL UNIVERSITY IS A 500 1C3.

OKAY. WHY SHOULD THEY NEED TO SELL IT NEXT? WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF A $1.2 MILLION WORLD COMMERCE CENTER OUTDOOR COURT? IS THAT FOR? DON'T. PLEASE. I HOPE IT'S NOT PICKLEBALL COURT THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT OUT THERE.

OKAY. $1.2 MILLION FOR AN OUTDOOR COURT.

OKAY. CAN WE SEE IS THERE ANY PLANS, ANY LAYOUT? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN REALLY SEE THIS? OKAY. OR JUST TAKE WORD FOR IT BECAUSE IT WAS PRESENTED UP ON A POWERPOINT.

ALL RIGHT. OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

BUT IT IS THIS, THIS BUDGET, IT SEEMS LIKE IT GOT KICKED BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF THE GENERAL FUND IS ALSO KNOWN AS AKA SLUSH

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FUND. ALL RIGHT.

WE KNOW THAT FROM YES, THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY.

HOW THE SLUSH FUND SLUSH UP.

AND A LOT OF US KNEW WHAT IT IS.

WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

BECAUSE THAT LADY WILL STILL NEED $6.3 MILLION SETTLEMENT.

WILL THAT HELP HER AFTER THE SHERIFF'S CRASHED INTO HER? MAYBE. MAYBE NOT.

BUT WE JUST NEED ANSWERS.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO SIT THERE AND REFER US TO CALLING SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.

GOOD AFTERNOON. JEN LUNDBERG, MATANZAS RIVERKEEPER, 291 CUBBAGE ROAD.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO THIS COMMISSION AND TO COUNTY STAFF FOR THEIR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF THE LAND ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, OR LAMP.

BUT I'M HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO EXTEND MY SUPPORT FOR COMMISSIONER DEANE'S PROPOSAL TO INCREASE LAMP FUNDING FROM $2 MILLION, AS PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET, TO $5 MILLION. AND HERE'S WHY.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, THIS COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED THE LIST OF PRIORITY CONSERVATION PROPERTIES WITH SIX FANTASTIC PARCELS THAT TOTAL ABOUT 300 ACRES.

THIS WOULD BE A HUGE BOON TO SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY'S CONSERVATION PORTFOLIO.

HOWEVER, THE TOTAL PRICE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IS OVER $35 MILLION, WHICH IS MORE THAN TEN TIMES THE $3.5 MILLION THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE LAMPS BANK ACCOUNT.

AND WHILE THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW FOR LAND CONSERVATION, IT IS CRUCIAL THAT WE HAVE LOCAL DOLLARS THERE TO LEVERAGE THAT STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY. A LOT OF THOSE GRANTS REQUIRE LOCAL MATCH IN ORDER TO ACCESS THAT FUNDING, AND THE ONES THAT DON'T REQUIRE IT DO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS THAT HAVE LOCAL MATCHING DOLLARS AVAILABLE.

AND SO WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE ALL HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF CONSERVATION LAND AS FAR AS PROVIDING HABITAT FOR PLANTS AND ANIMALS, AS FAR AS PROVIDING PASSIVE RECREATION OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

BUT I REALLY WANT TO URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT BUYING CONSERVATION LAND AS A FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE JUST HEARD TALK ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY IS PREPARING TO SPEND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS. BUYING CONSERVATION LAND CAN MITIGATE US HAVING TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

BUYING CONSERVATION LAND MEANS WE CAN BUY WETLANDS THAT WILL HOLD FLOOD WATERS DURING THESE STORM EVENTS.

IT MEANS WE CAN PROVIDE WE CAN START PURCHASING LOW LYING AREAS AND KEEPING THEM NATURAL, WHICH MEANS HOUSES AREN'T GOING TO BE BUILT IN THOSE VULNERABLE AREAS.

FURTHERMORE, MIND CONSERVATION LAND IS REALLY ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO PROTECT WATER QUALITY.

CONSERVATION LANDS FILTER OUT POLLUTANTS BEFORE THEY REACH OUR WATERWAYS.

UNFORTUNATELY, ABOUT HALF OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY WATERWAYS ARE NOT CURRENTLY MEETING THEIR STATE MANDATED WATER QUALITY STANDARDS, AND EVENTUALLY THE FEDERAL CLEAN WATER ACT, OR THE STATE IMPAIRED WATERS RULE IS GOING TO REQUIRE THE COUNTY TO INVEST MONEY TO START TO REMEDY THOSE ISSUES.

THAT CAN BE THROUGH THINGS LIKE UPDATING OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES, DOING SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSION PROJECTS, THINGS THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.

BUYING CONSERVATION LAND HELPS US TO PROTECT OUR WATER QUALITY AT THE FRONT END IN A WAY THAT IS MORE EFFECTIVE AND MORE FINANCIALLY TENABLE.

AND AS I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HEAR IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION, LAND CONSERVATION HAS CONSISTENTLY RANKED AS ONE OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES AMONGST OUR RESIDENTS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING TOWN HALLS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, SO I HOPE THAT THE BUDGET REFLECTS THOSE VALUES, AND I HOPE THAT IT INCLUDES A $5 MILLION ALLOCATION FOR LAMP.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS LISA MCGLYNN.

I RESIDE AT 703 PINEHURST PLACE.

I WANT TO FIRST THANK MISS ANDREWS AND MR. DUNN FOR THEIR VERY COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET PRESENTATION.

I THOUGHT IT WAS FABULOUS AND I THOUGHT MISS ANDREWS OVERVIEW OF THE PRIORITIES AND THE BUDGET WERE REALLY HELPFUL.

I NOTE THAT SHE MADE CONSERVATION A MAJOR PLANK OF THIS POLICY, AND I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

BUT I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR $5 MILLION.

LIKE JEN SAID, AS AN ANNUAL BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR LAMP, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY, THROUGH THE VISION PROCESS, THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS FOR THE COMP PLAN HAVE INDICATED THAT THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO CONSERVE AND PROTECT OUR NATURAL, ENVIRONMENTAL AND WILDLIFE HABITATS.

IN AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF 1.2 BILLION, SURELY WE CAN FIND 5 MILLION FOR LAMP, WHICH IS LESS THAN HALF OF 1%. BUDGETS ARE ABOUT SETTING PRIORITIES AND THE CITIZENS HAVE TOLD YOU WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.

LAMP FUNDING IS THE BEST WAY TO LEVERAGE AS.

AS JEN SAID, LEVERAGE OTHER FUNDS LIKE FLORIDA FOREVER, WHICH HAS RECEIVED A LOT MORE FUNDING IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

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SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOU TO RECONSIDER AND THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT JUST ADDING ANOTHER $3 MILLION INTO THE BUDGET.

I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY WE CAN FIND THAT, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

I ALSO HEARD THE AIRPORT THE AIRPORT WAS MENTIONED IN THAT BUDGET.

THE AIRPORT'S BEEN A THORN IN THIS COUNTY SIDE.

MAYBE NOT SOME OF Y'ALL THAT GET TO FLY IN AND OUT OF IT, BUT THE AIRPORT SEVERAL YEARS AGO GOT TAKEN OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

SO WHY IS SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY NOW NEEDING TO SUBSIDIZE THEM? LOOK AT ALL THE LAND THEY OWN.

THEY OWN LAND ALL AROUND.

OH, WHAT, Y'ALL TRYING TO GET THEM BACK ON THEIR 20 YEAR PLAN? THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY, AND PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

BJ LADY WEST, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I DO WANT TO ALSO THANK MR. DUNN. HE DID WHEN I GOT WHEN YOU HAD YOUR BREAK FOR LUNCH.

HE DID ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING HIM OR ASKING YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE ITEM NUMBER 29 FOR THAT 6.3 MILLION.

AND I'LL BE TALKING WITH HIM SOME MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND ALSO YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS UP HERE NOW SAYING SOME WELL, WHY DON'T GET ENOUGH 5 MILLION HERE AND 3 MILLION THERE AND WELL, 68 MILLION THERE JUST BECAUSE IT'S ELECTION TIME.

YOU'RE COMING UP WITH IDEAS OF HOW TO SPEND OUR MONEY ON WHAT YOU WANT.

IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE VOTES? AND WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE BROCHURES.

MY MAILBOX IS THIS HIGH.

MY POST OFFICE BOX.

YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THE REAL LETTER ANYMORE.

YOU GOT ALL THIS TRASH IN THERE AND IT'S TRASHING EACH OTHER.

SO WE GOT SOME PROBLEMS ABOUT POLITICIANS TELLING THE TRUTH.

QUOTE, UNTRUE, UNQUOTE.

IS IT THE TRUTH? BUT THE THING THAT I WANT TO GET TO ALSO IS IF YOU WANT TO GIVE $68 MILLION OR 68, INCREASE IT TO WHATEVER THE $68 MILLION ON A 68 STARTING SALARY.

THAT'S IT. 55 IS NOT ENOUGH.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM 68 AND WE HAVE TO COMPETE WITH JACKSONVILLE.

WELL, LET'S REMEMBER, FOLKS, EVERYBODY'S NOT DYING YET IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND BEING SHOT UP LIKE THEY ARE IN JACKSONVILLE.

SO YOU GOT TO PAY PEOPLE MORE MONEY TO GO OUT THERE AND BE A TARGET.

WE HAVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND DEPUTIES ARE TARGETS TOO.

BUT IF THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY, THEN THEY CAN LIVE HERE AND GO GET THE JOB UP THERE.

WE DON'T NEED TO DO HIGHER THAN 55 NOW UNLESS IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF YOUR SALARIES.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

AND I APPRECIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I APPRECIATE FIRE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEPEND ON WHENEVER THINGS HAPPEN HERE, NOT YOU ALL, BUT TO SAY AND SAY THAT YOU WANT THAT TO BE INCREASED NOW JUST BECAUSE OF JACKSONVILLE'S DOING SOMETHING.

REMEMBER, THEY'RE GETTING SHOT UP.

NOT AS MUCH AS OUR COUNTY, BUT OUR COUNTY'S GOT SOME PROBLEMS, TOO.

YOU DON'T ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT THEM, SO PLEASE DON'T KEEP ADDING THINGS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A YEAR FOR POLITICKING.

AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE IT AS.

THAT'S. BUT AGAIN, THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THE STAFF MEMBERS IN THIS COUNTY THAT WILL COME UP AND HELP ME AFTERWARDS TO KNOW WHAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU FIVE PEOPLE SIT UP THERE. SOME OF YOU MAY BE FOUR AND DON'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE BECAUSE WE'RE BORED.

WE'RE TAXPAYERS PAYING YOUR SALARIES.

ROB HARDWICK, 4015 LOUIS SPEEDWAY, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

SOME SOME THINGS I WANT TO ACTUALLY CLARIFY, BUT OF COURSE, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR JOY AND ANDREWS, OF COURSE, AND DIRECTOR DUNN IN THE ENTIRE OMB, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR US, BY THE WAY. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I'M GOING TO CLARIFY RIGHT HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, THE STARTING PAY FOR A DEPUTY SHERIFF IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY JUST THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO WAS $42,000.

FAST FORWARD TO NOW, THE STARTING PAY IS 55,000.

WE PLAYED CATCH UP AT THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

IT'S A RECRUITING AND RETENTION TOOL, PERIOD.

FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT OUR DEPUTY SHERIFFS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

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BUT FAST FORWARD TO OUR STARTING PAY IS $55,000.

NOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO MAKE WHAT JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MAKES THEIR STARTING PAY IS GOING TO GO TO 65,000.

I'M SIMPLY ASKING TO GO TO $58,000 A YEAR IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COMPETE WITH JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

MY BROTHER UP THERE IS TK WATERS.

I UNDERSTAND THE BATTLE THEY'RE IN, BUT JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO.

IT'S A BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST MY DEPUTY SHERIFFS.

I ALSO HAVE A SUPPORT STAFF THAT SUPPORT MY DEPUTY SHERIFFS.

JUST THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, THEY WERE IN THE LOW OR THE UPPER 20,000 LOW $30,000.

FAST FORWARD TO NOW WITH ALL FIVE OF YOUR SUPPORT.

THEY'RE IN THE LOW $40,000 A YEAR.

BUT LET'S GO BACK TO OUR 911 SERVICES TWO AS WELL THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS IN THIS COUNTY IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO USE.

I HOPE THEY DON'T HAVE TO. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE SERVICES ARE THERE FOR.

WHETHER THEY'RE CALLING FIRE RESCUE OR MYSELF, THEY USE THE SAME SERVICES.

JUST THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, OUR 911 OPERATORS WERE MAKING $32,000 A YEAR.

WITH YOUR COOPERATION IN US WORKING OUR BUDGETS TOGETHER WITH YOUR STAFF, THE STARTING PAY IS $50,000.

WE WERE DOWN ALMOST 3039 ON ONE OPERATORS, BY THE WAY.

THEY HANDLED 414,000 OF INGOING OUTGOING CALLS LAST YEAR.

THE MEN AND WOMEN DID 265,000.

OF THOSE WERE DISPATCH CALLS TO MY DEPUTY SHERIFFS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AND 115,000 911 CALLS.

THERE'S NOBODY THAT HAS A VOICE FOR MY PEOPLE BESIDES ROB HARDWICK RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU SAY AN INCREASE IN OUR PAY, I SUPPORT IT AND I DO, AND I APPRECIATE YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING OUT FOR US.

BUT CHIEF MCGEE AND I WERE NOT JUST COMPETING WITH JACKSONVILLE FIRE AND RESCUE.

I'M COMPETING WITH SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, SAINT AUGUSTINE CITY.

I'M COMPETING WITH FLAGLER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

THAT IS AT THE SAME PAY RATE I'M AT.

I'M COMPETING WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

LUCKILY, MY BROTHER TO THE WEST OVER THERE, WHICH IS GATOR DELOACH, HE'S A FISCALLY CONSTRAINED COUNTY.

HE GETS HIS FUNDING FOR HIS PAY FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I DON'T HAVE THAT AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT HERE.

BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU TAKE AN INCREASE IN OUR FRS BENEFITS AND SAY IT'S $1.2 MILLION AND ASK US AND YOU NEVER HAVE, BY THE WAY, THAT'S SOMETHING IN MY BUDGET INCREASE EVERY SINGLE YEAR IS $1.2 MILLION IN OUR FLORIDA RETIREMENT SYSTEM FOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN.

WE CAN'T GIVE THEM A PAY RAISE AND TAKE THE MONEY BACK OUT OF THEIR POCKET, BECAUSE THE STATE OF FLORIDA DECIDED AT THE END OF SESSION TO INCREASE FRS AMOUNT.

THAT'S CONTRIBUTED BY US, US, YOU.

THE OTHER THING TOO AS WELL INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE.

WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF OUR EMPLOYEES POCKETS.

THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS PUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS.

SO THAT BEING SAID AGAIN, SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IS NOT CORRECT.

I WANTED TO VERIFY THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH MISS BJ.

HER AND I TALK ALL THE TIME, BUT THE FACTS OF THE FACTS OUT THERE, I'M SIMPLY ASKING TO GO TO $58,000 STARTING PAY THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE SO I CAN BE COMPETITIVE. JUST COMPETITIVE.

I'M NOT SAYING DUVAL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, JACKSONVILLE POLICE, I'M SAYING SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, SAINT AUGUSTINE CITY, FLAGLER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF US ALWAYS.

ALL FIVE OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD TO MYSELF AND CHIEF MCGEE.

YOU GOT US CAUGHT UP.

NOW WE GOT TO STAY AHEAD.

WE GOT TO STAY COMPETITIVE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. SHERIFF. I'M SORRY WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

NEXT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

YES. OKAY.

ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE CLOCK ON ME NOW? I'M SURE I JUST GOT BACK FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

HAD TO WRITE A REPORT ON MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS BEING VIOLATED.

BUT THIS IS REGARDING THE BUDGET.

CORRECT. SO LET'S GO BACK TO THIS.

WE'RE INCREASING LAMP.

I AM ALL FOR CONSERVATION, BUT WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ON OUR DIME? WHY DON'T WE TURN THAT TO THE DEVELOPERS? AND DO YOU KNOW WHY WE DON'T? BECAUSE IT'S STATE OVERREACH.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR PARAMETERS YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BUT WE ARE A HISTORIC NATION.

I MEAN, WE ARE THE OLDEST CITY IN OUR IN THE NATION.

WE ARE A HISTORIC COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, WHY DON'T WE, AS YOU GUYS HOLD THE DEVELOPER'S FEET TO THE FIRE? AS FOR THE FOUR FIREHOUSES THAT WERE CAUSED BECAUSE OF IMPACT OF THESE DEVELOPERS, WHY AREN'T THEY PAYING FOR THAT? THE POOR REDHEADED STEPCHILD OF FLAGLER ESTATES, THEY NEEDED THIS FIRE STATION PROBABLY TWO DECADES AGO, YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S AN ISSUE.

BUT BACK TO THE SOFTWARE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS AND THE OVERLAPS AND I THINK WHAT WHAT WAS IT LIKE LIKE A YEAR FOR YOU TO LEARN THIS PROGRAM? LISTEN, OUR EMPLOYEES OF PRIVATE SECTOR, WE GET THOSE SOFTWARE PROGRAMS IN AND OUT AND TRAINED.

WE DON'T PERPETUALLY PAY THEM OFF OR PERPETUATE PERPETUATE IT.

I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THESE BONDS.

THESE OBLIGATION BONDS WHAT THE TERM IS ON THESE BECAUSE IT INCREASE YOUR RISK AND IT'S GOING TO COST

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US MORE. I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN INEVITABLE THING.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. IT'S LIKE THE COMP PLAN.

IT'S ALREADY DRAFTED.

YOU KNOW WE JUST NEED TO BE MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND YOU CAN TIGHTEN THIS BUDGET UP IN EVERY DEPARTMENT. AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU ALL MANDATED A CAP ON THE RESERVES IN EACH DEPARTMENT, YOU COULD SHAVE THIS THING TREMENDOUSLY.

THERE ARE OVERLAPS AND BACK TO BEACH RENOURISHMENT YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING AND BATHROOMS EVERY MILE TO GET FEDERAL FUNDING.

THIS IS WHY THEY ALWAYS LOOK TO US FOR BEACH RENOURISHMENT FOR OUR FISHING PIER, WHATEVER.

OH MY GOD, WE WE NEED HELP.

YOU ALL. I KNOW WE CAN'T FIGHT GOVERNMENT, BUT I'M TRYING.

HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON, DISTRICT THREE, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION.

THE SHERIFF GOT HIS PLUG.

I THOUGHT I'D GET MINE.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY, WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

LET'S SEE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DUNN? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH DISCUSSED SUPPORTING A ROLLBACK RATE.

WE HEARD DURING THE PRESENTATION THAT THAT WOULD BE A $25 MILLION HIT TO THE BUDGET.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, WHAT ARE THE $25 MILLION IN CUTS THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE? WELL, STARTING WITH AGENDA NUMBER FIVE.

ALSO HOW MUCH MONEY WILL WE SAVE IN? WELL, THAT'S. YOU'RE ASKING FOR 5 MILLION FOR THE NEW SOFTWARE AT TEN.

I MEAN, THAT'S FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS AND FTES.

FIVE, FIVE MORE THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO UPDATE THAT TODAY.

WE CAN WAIT UNTIL 2026.

HOW ABOUT THE LAMP? HOW ABOUT WE TAKE THE LAMP? EXTRA MONEY THAT THEY THAT THAT HENRY DEANE WANTS TO DO.

AND LET'S GIVE THAT TO THE POLICE OFFICERS AS A RACE RIGHT THERE.

HOW ABOUT.

HOW ABOUT THE NUMBER 26? WE DON'T NEED A NEW ADVERTISING COMPANY BECAUSE WE HAVE WAYNE, WHO'S AWESOME.

HE CAN DO IT ALL.

HOW ABOUT ALL THE CONSULTANTS WE USE AND OH, THE DRAFT COMP PLAN TO 2050.

LET'S JUST DO IT TO 2035.

THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO A 2050 COMP PLAN, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE STATISTICS SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF MY CUTS, BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND GIVE YOU EVEN MORE, I CAN GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS A LOT CLOSER THAN THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS? WELL, I YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT SITUATION IN THE MOVIE DAVE, WHICH I WATCHED MANY TIMES, AND I REMEMBER WELL NOW THEY DID THAT IN AN AFTERNOON, BUT WE HAD THE INITIAL BUDGET PRESENTATION IN THE WORKSHOP, WHICH WAS RECORDED AND IS AVAILABLE ONLINE TO EVERYBODY.

WE HAD THAT BACK IN MAY, SO WE'VE HAD TWO MONTHS TO TO COME UP WITH ROOM TO CUT, AREAS TO CUT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO $25 MILLION IN CUTS, BUT I THOUGHT YOU'D BE PREPARED.

IF YOU'RE PROPOSING A ROLLBACK TODAY TO TO PROPOSE THE $25 MILLION IN CUTS.

COULD COULD YOU REPEAT THAT, PLEASE? YOU MENTIONED THE MOVIE, DAVE, OR SOMEBODY FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAME INTO THE PRESIDENT'S OVAL OFFICE, AND THEY CUT THE BUDGET IN AN AFTERNOON, OR AT LEAST IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. WE HAD OUR INITIAL LOOK AT THE BUDGET DURING THE ADMINISTRATOR'S BUDGET WORKSHOP IN MAY, AND THAT'S BEEN ONLINE EVER SINCE.

SO WE'VE HAD TWO MONTHS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUDGET, AND I THOUGHT YOU'D BE PREPARED.

SINCE YOU'RE PROPOSING A ROLLBACK.

I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A GOTCHA THING, BECAUSE I THINK JESSE DUNN AND JOY SAID THAT WE'RE WORKING THE NUMBERS UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

CORRECT. MR. DUNN, AREN'T WE WORKING ON THIS BUDGET AND UPPING AND SUBTRACTING AND TRYING TO TIGHTEN IT UP? THIS IS NOT A FINAL BUDGET, IS IT? SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON, JESSE DUNN.

OMB SO THIS IS MATERIALLY THE BUDGET.

THERE WILL BE ADJUSTMENTS THAT COME IN.

AND AS I MENTIONED, THOSE ARE PRIMARILY THROUGH MOTIONS THAT COME THROUGH RIGHT HERE.

RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION IS RECOMMENDING A BUDGET TO YOU.

RIGHT. AT THAT POINT, YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, THERE'S I DON'T HERE'S HERE'S THE WORKSHOP BUDGET WHICH I, I AND ACTUALLY WAS THERE EVERY DAY.

AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST WAS THERE FOR OUT OF THE FIVE DAYS OR EIGHT DAYS OR HOWEVER MANY DAYS.

BUT THIS THE FINAL, WHICH IS THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THIS.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS CUT DOWN AND ADDED.

SO WE GOT THIS FRIDAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THREE MONTHS OF IT.

SO MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST FINISH MY THOUGHT, I'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR JUST.

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JUST ANOTHER MOMENT.

OF COURSE WE PAY.

IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

WE PAY 6.8 MILLS, WHICH IS THE LOWEST RATE IN ALL OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

WE PAY THE LOWEST GAS TAX THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO CHARGE.

BY LAW. WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL GAS TAX AT THE PUMP.

WE HAVE NO SALES TAX THAT COMES DIRECTLY TO THE THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

WE HAVE NO SALES TAX THAT COMES DIRECTLY INTO OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

THE SCHOOL HAS A HALF PENNY, THE OTHER 6% GOES TO THE STATE.

AND THEN WE GET A PERCENTAGE OF THAT BACK THROUGH A FORMULA.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN CUT WHAT IS ALREADY THE LOWEST TAX RATE IN ALL OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA, AND ONE OF THE LOWEST TAX RATES IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA, WHEN WE HAVE LITERALLY HUNDREDS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS THAT ARE ON A LIST THAT ARE UNFUNDED AND RESIDENTS COMING TO ME MONTH AFTER MONTH ASKING FOR MORE, MORE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, MORE IMPROVEMENTS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE SHERIFF OF OUR COUNTY, WE HAVE THE FIRE CHIEF OF OUR COUNTY SAYING, WE'VE GOT TO PAY OUR WORKERS WHO PUT LITERALLY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE, MORE MONEY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN THEM.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION TO, TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF CUTS AGAIN.

I'M PROUD THAT WE PAID THE LOWEST PROPERTY TAX RATE IN ALL OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO CUT WHERE IT'S ALREADY THE LOWEST PROPERTY TAX RATE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, SO I'M INCLINED TO KEEP THE MILLAGE RATE FLAT.

NOT NOT LET IT GO UP.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, YOU'RE RAISING TAXES.

I THINK IT'S LIKE THIS FOR ME.

IF YOU GO INTO WALMART AND YOU PAY 7% SALES TAX ON $100 WORTH OF GOODS, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY $7 IN TAX.

WELL, IF YOU GO BACK THE NEXT DAY BY $200 WORTH OF GOODS, YOU'LL PAY $14 IN TAX.

DID THE RATE OF THE TAX GO UP, OR DID THE VALUE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU PURCHASED WENT UP? WE HAVE HOME VALUES GOING UP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY DUE TO A LOT OF FACTORS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION SETTING MILLAGE RATES.

AND SO OF COURSE, WHEN THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY GOES UP, OF COURSE THE DOLLARS INCREASE.

BUT THAT'S NOT WE DON'T CONTROL THE FREE MARKET.

WE CONTROL THE MILLAGE RATE.

SO AGAIN I WANT TO KEEP THE MILLAGE RATE FLAT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON, AND WE NEED THE FUNDING IN ORDER TO TAKE ACTION.

SO THAT'S THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DEAN WELL, I THINK JEN SAID IT MUCH BETTER THAN I DID A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT THE THE VALUE OF INCREASING THE LAMP FUNDING AND CONTINUING THE LAMP PROGRAM.

BUT I GUESS AT THIS POINT I WOULD ASK FOR A CONSENSUS IF THERE IS ONE ON INCREASING THE LAMP FUND TO 5 MILLION A YEAR. AND LET ME SAY, IF FOR SOME OF YOU THAT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR, IF THERE'S A FIGURE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER INCREASING THE FUND, IF NOT, IF NOT TO 5 MILLION, IF THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

YEAH. I THINK MY ANSWER TO THAT, COMMISSIONER DEAN, WOULD BE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING? BECAUSE I BELIEVE MISS ANDREWS STATED THAT SHE WAS COMING BACK WITH DIFFERENT CONSERVATION FUNDING OPTIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FULL PICTURE OF OUR OPTIONS.

YES. CHAIR ARNAUD, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

I THINK ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS THE ONE MOVED TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH ALTERNATIVE FUNDING OPTIONS.

THAT IS OUTSIDE OF PROPERTY TAXES.

SO WE HAVE BEEN PLANNING FOR THAT UPDATE, AND AUGUST 6TH IS THE DATE THAT WE HAVE DECIDED TO PLACE A UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON ITEM BEFORE YOU.

SO WE ARE PLANNING TO BRING BACK CONSERVATION EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE, THE CONSERVATION EFFORTS THAT IS MOVING FORWARD AND THE POLICY DECISIONS POTENTIALLY IS GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE IMPACT FEE PAID FOR BY DEVELOPERS FOR CONSERVATION.

THAT'S ONE OF THE FEW OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND ALSO, THERE ARE 3 TO 4 LARGE GRANTS THAT WERE RIGOROUSLY COMPETING FOR.

SO WE WANT TO BRING THAT BEFORE YOU SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON YOUR POLICY.

THANK YOU, MISS ANDREWS.

MR. DEAN, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO THAT? YEAH, I WOULD, TO SAVE TIME.

I MEAN, WE DON'T I DON'T NEED TO HEAR UNLESS ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO CHIME IN.

I'M GOOD. IF WE BRING THIS BACK AT AN EARLY, HOPEFULLY AN EARLY DATE NEXT TIME WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO.

BUT I OBVIOUSLY I'VE MADE IT CLEAR WHAT MY POSITION IS.

YES, SIR. LET ME TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND THE PROCESS.

I BASICALLY CONCUR, AS A MATTER OF POLICY IN A MATTER OF BUDGET.

I BASICALLY CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH THAT I WOULD LOVE TO GO TO ROLLBACK.

I REALLY WOULD. I MEAN, THERE ARE FAMILIES OUT THERE.

ALL OF US KNOW THIS THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE COST OF GROCERIES, THE COST OF GAS, THE COST, YOU NAME IT.

THERE'S A LONG LIST.

I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT ARE GOING MONTH TO MONTH OR EVEN WEEK TO WEEK THAT ARE SAYING, THIS IS TOUGH TIMES.

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NOW, WITH THAT SAID LET ME MENTION THE PROCESS.

AND THIS IS FOR SOME OF YOU WHO MAY NOT FOLLOW THE INTRICACIES OF THE SOMEWHAT BIZARRE BUDGET PROCESS FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT TODAY WE'RE SETTING UNDER THE TRIM BILL, WE'RE SETTING THE MILLAGE RATE AND GOING FORWARD, UNDER FLORIDA LAW, UNDER THE TRIM BILL, WE CANNOT INCREASE IT.

IN SEPTEMBER, WE CAN ONLY DECREASE IT, ONLY DECREASE IT.

AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH HAS RAISED SEVERAL GOOD EXAMPLES OF THINGS WE MIGHT TAMPER DOWN AS FAR AS THE BUDGET WE EITHER ELIMINATE OR REDUCE.

SO I'M IN THE POSITION.

THIS IS MY EIGHTH BUDGET CYCLE.

AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO US IS I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PROBABLY A GOOD MOVE TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE AS PRESENTED, KNOWING THAT IT CAN'T GO UP.

BUT IT CAN COME DOWN.

AND JUST AS YOU JUST SUGGESTED FOR THE LAMP BUDGET, WE CAN LOOK.

AND I THINK, MR. JOSEPH, YOU EVEN INDICATED THIS, THAT WE CAN STUDY OVER THE NEXT MONTH WHERE THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE BUDGET, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS THAT SEVERAL OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF, HAVE SUGGESTED WE INCREASE THE BUDGET IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE JUDICIOUS ON OUR PART TO SET THE MILLAGE RATE UNDER THE TRIM BILL AT AT ITS CURRENT MILLAGE, AND IF, IF POSSIBLE, WE CAN REDUCE THAT IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER WHEN WE BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THE BUDGET TODAY.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. DEAN.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, WISH YOU HAD THE GUTS TO DO IT TODAY, THOUGH.

ANYWAY CAN I JUST POINT OUT THE MOVIE, DAVE? THEY MADE ALL THE CUTS IN ONE DAY AT THE AT THE TABLE.

YOU MENTIONED JOY.

YOU JUST RIGHT NOW MADE CUTS IN HOW WE COULD DO LAMP AND A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY.

SO IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

WHAT THAT TOOK WHAT, TEN MINUTES? LET'S GO. LET'S LET'S GET THIS TOGETHER.

LET'S LET'S GIVE THEM THE RAISES THEY WANT, AND THEN LET'S REDUCE IT IN THE AREAS THAT WE CAN OR FIND ALTERNATIVE FINANCING.

ESPECIALLY WITH ADAM TECCHLER BEING A GENIUS BACK THERE AND GETTING GRANTS AND THINGS.

I MEAN, I'M I'M IN WHOEVER WANTS TO WORK ON IT, I'M HERE.

I'LL COME IN EVERY DAY AND WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON HENRY'S COMMENTS.

THE THREE THINGS THAT I WAS ASKING FOR EARLIER IS REALLY JUST A MY.

MY THOUGHT WAS TO JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM STAFF, FROM JESSE AND JOY, TO PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD BEFORE WE APPROVE THE FINAL BUDGET, SO THAT WE ALL HAVE THE TIME TO CONSIDER WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM AND HOW MUCH THOSE ITEMS WILL COST.

SO IT WAS NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO TAKE FINAL ACTION ON TODAY.

LIKE HENRY'S ITEM.

I'D LOVE IT IF WE COULD JUST BRING IT BACK AND TAKE A LOOK.

LOOK AT IT AT THAT TIME.

OKAY. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION.

I SEE NO OTHER SPEAKERS.

ARE WE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION? SO THE. AND THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, AS PRESENTED.

OKAY. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES FOUR ONE.

OKAY. THERE IS A SECOND MOTION.

AND THAT SECOND MOTION IS AND I'LL READ IT OUT.

MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COMPLETION AND EXECUTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 FORM DOCTOR FOR 20S.

THAT'S DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE.

IN THE COUNTY AUDITORIUM AS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET.

I'LL MOVE THAT. SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION. YES.

THIS ISN'T HAVING TO DO WITH THE RATE AT ALL, JESSE, IS IT? NO, NO, THIS IS JUST THAT WE'RE HAVING THE MEETING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO.

AND THEN I JUST WANT TO CHECK.

AND I'LL KIND OF LOOK AROUND THE ROOM HERE IN TERMS OF THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ON THE SHERIFF'S SALARY CONSIDERATION I DON'T KNOW.

DO WE NEED CONSENSUS OR HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, CONSENSUS. SURE.

YOU CAN TALK TO THEM OFFLINE.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? YES. YES, WE HAVE CONSENSUS.

THANK YOU, MR. DON. THAT WAS THAT WAS INCREDIBLY COMPREHENSIVE AND I KNOW VERY LENGTHY PROCESS.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU AND YOUR STAFF, ALL THE STAFF.

THANKS. THANK YOU.

OKAY. AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US INTO OUR NEW AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE SHEARWATER PUD, WHICH IS QUASI JUDICIAL COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

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WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT ORIGINALLY? NUMBER SIX IS NOW NUMBER THREE.

OKAY. 12 EMAILS AND A PHONE CALL WITH AN OPPOSITION.

COMMISSIONER LIMA. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I RECEIVED 12 PLUS EMAILS.

I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH ANNE AND RICHARD RYAN AND TWO OTHERS, ALONG WITH STAFF WHO WERE OPPOSED.

I MYSELF RECEIVED THE SAME EMAILS.

I HAD A MEETING WITH ANNA AND RICHARD RYAN, TWO OTHERS AND STAFF.

I'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH MR. FRANK MURPHY ABOUT THE CONCERNS THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD BRING TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I RECEIVED THE SAME EMAILS, WHICH ARE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

I HAD THE MEETING IN THE OFFICE WITH ANNA AND RICHARD RYAN AND TWO OTHER NEIGHBORS.

THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.

OUR STAFF WAS ALSO THERE.

I THINK I ACTUALLY HAD SOME IN-PERSON CONVERSATIONS WITH MRS. RYAN. I THINK IT WAS AT THE CREEKSIDE HIGH SCHOOL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETING.

SO I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED IT THEN TO JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. I ALSO RECEIVED THE 12 EMAILS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO BEFORE I GET TOO FAR INTO MY PRESENTATION I HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

A FEW WEEKS AGO, I ATTEMPTED TO FOLLOW UP THE CLIENT TO KIND OF GIVE HIM AN UPDATE OF THAT MEETING, AND HE HAD BEEN UNEXPECTEDLY CALLED OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND DID NOT GET BACK UNTIL LAST WEEK, WHERE WE SPOKE.

AND HE IS ATTEMPTING TO GET WITH HIS BUSINESS PARTNERS AND MAKE A DECISION ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT COME TO A CONSENSUS.

SO HE IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO A TIME, CERTAIN TIME UNCERTAIN, SO THAT I COULD GET A SET OF FOLLOW UP INSTRUCTIONS.

I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

I'M PREPARED TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY IF SO NEEDED.

I KNOW THERE'S MANY, MANY RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK.

AND I DID FOLLOW UP WITH THE SHEARWATER, THE TROUT CREEK CD, AND THE SHEARWATER HOA, ASKING THEM TO SEND OUT WORD TO THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY WERE HOPEFULLY AT LEAST INFORMED THAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING THAT TODAY.

AND I HOPE THAT EMAIL WENT OUT.

THEY NEVER CONFIRMED WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SENT OUT.

THEY SAID THEY WOULD. SO WITH THAT, I CAN PROCEED WITH AN OVERVIEW OR HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.

I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

YES. THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FROM SOME COMMISSIONERS.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST MADAM CHAIR AND MISS MARTIN, I THINK THAT THE SENSE I'M GETTING FROM THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS, AND THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AN UP OR DOWN DECISION FROM US TODAY.

WE ARE CONSIDERED BY LAW TO CONSIDER THE FACTS OF THIS PRESENTATION.

THE FACTS WILL NOT CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THE LATER DATE.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE ITEM TODAY.

JUST ONE COMMISSIONER. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION.

YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THE EXACT SAME THING.

BASICALLY, I THINK WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, A LOT FROM THE RESIDENTS.

THEY'RE ALL HERE. THEY CAME HERE TO TO HEAR ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF HEARING IT TODAY.

OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO BE THE THIRD TO ASK TO HEAR IT TODAY, SO.

OKAY. IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND HEAR IT. THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, I DO NOT KNOW WHY MY PRESENTATION IS ON AN AUTO TIMER.

SO I WILL ATTEMPT TO BACK UP.

SO SO THIS PROJECT.

THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY AND COUNTY ROAD 210.

IT IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

CURRENTLY, IT IS TWO LOTS FOR A TOTAL OF JUST OVER SIX ACRES.

THERE IS A VERY SMALL ISOLATED WETLAND IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE IMPACTED AS PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT IT IS ISOLATED.

THE SITE IS PRIMARILY ALREADY CLEARED.

IT IS DEVELOPED WITH TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

THOSE RESIDENCES WOULD BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

BOTH HOMES ARE CURRENTLY ON WELL AND SEPTIC.

THOSE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS WOULD BE PROPERLY ABANDONED, AND THE SITE WOULD BE CONNECTED TO WATER AND SEWER THAT HAS THAT IS PROVIDED TO THE AREA BY JIA.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP.

THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SHEARWATER 210 INTERSECTION, HAS A CURRENT LAND USE OF RESIDENTIAL SEE.

THERE IS A STILL TO BE DEVELOPED TOWN CENTER PROJECT TO THE NORTH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 210 THAT HAS A LAND USE OF INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL AND THE SOUTH SIDE, THE SOUTH END TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 210 REMAINS RURAL SILVICULTURE AND THEN PUBLIC FOR THE EXISTING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS OPEN RURAL.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A REZONING TO PUD.

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AND TO KIND OF BACKTRACK TO THE LAND USE.

WE ARE REQUESTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO REZ C AS WELL TO GO ALONG WITH THE SHEARWATER LAND USE DESIGNATION.

AND HERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSE UP AERIAL OF THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THE TWO HOMES AND THERE IS A EXISTING LONG SKINNY POND THERE TO THE SOUTH THAT EXTENDS WEST.

OUR SITE, IF APPROVED, WOULD BE WE WOULD DISCONNECT OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM FROM THAT EXISTING EXISTING POND SYSTEM AND WE WOULD DESIGN A NEW STORMWATER POND.

THE REQUEST IS TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES.

THE USES ARE KIND OF OUTLINED HERE ON THE SITE.

THE MEDICAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES IS BOLDED.

IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S INTENTION TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH MEDICAL MEDICAL USES, POSSIBLY A FREESTANDING E.R.

OR SOME SORT OF MEDICAL OFFICE COMPLEX WITH HOPEFULLY SOME ANCILLARY COMMERCIAL OR OTHER OFFICE USES, LIKE A REALTOR OFFICE OR A SMALL SANDWICH SHOP OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

I CANNOT STATE WHO HE IS CURRENTLY IN TALKS WITH THE POTENTIALLY COMING ON THE SITE, BUT IF THOSE TALKS COMPLETED, IT WOULD BE A USE THAT WOULD BE ONE USE FOR THE ENTIRE SITE AND IT WOULD BE AT A VERY SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE COMPARED TO THE MAXIMUM WE ARE REQUESTING IN OUR PUD WOULD BE A ONE USER SITE FOR FOR ONE MEDICAL FACILITY. THE SITE PLAN IS HERE ON THE SCREEN.

WE HAD REVISED THE SITE PLAN AFTER SOME INITIAL COMMENTS FROM OUR FIRST PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN PROPOSING BUILDING B ALONG SHEARWATER PARKWAY.

WE HAD ALSO ORIGINALLY BEEN PROPOSING A DRIVEWAY ACCESS ONTO SHEARWATER PARKWAY, BUT AFTER FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND EXCUSE ME, CONCERNS BY THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE, WE FLIPPED THE BUILDING TO THE INTERIOR SIDE AND ELIMINATED THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO SHEARWATER PARKWAY.

DUE. SORRY DUE TO THE FACT THAT SHEARWATER PARKWAY IS CURRENTLY A PRIVATELY MAINTAINED ROAD BY THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY, AND DOING SO WOULD REQUIRE A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO NOT ONLY THE ASHFORD MILLS PUD, BUT ALSO OUR PUD.

SO WE ELIMINATED THAT AT THIS TIME DUE TO NEIGHBOR CONCERN.

ALSO BASED ON THOSE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS AND THE INITIAL MEETING WE HAD WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, WE ADJUSTED OUR MDP NARRATIVE TO REFLECT THAT NO BUILDING, NO REAR ELEVATION WILL FACE EITHER ROADWAY.

THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS VERY CLEARLY BROUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENTS.

AND SO WE PUT IT WITHIN THE NARRATIVE TEXT ANY BUILDINGS, THE FRONT OF THE REAR WOULD NOT FACE EITHER SHEARWATER PARKWAY OR COUNTY ROAD 210. THE SIGNAGE.

NO GROUND SIGNAGE WOULD BE PERMITTED ALONG SHEARWATER PARKWAY.

IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO ALONG COUNTY ROAD 210 ONLY.

AND THEN WE ADDED LANGUAGE THAT THE PARCEL TO THE WEST, IF THAT PARCEL IS EVER DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND A AGREEMENT CAN BE CREATED BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS, AN INTERCONNECTIVITY AGREEMENT COULD BE PROVIDED TO ALLOW ACCESS BETWEEN THE POTENTIAL SITES.

CURRENTLY, THAT SITE IS UNDEVELOPED.

I'LL GO BACK TO THE AERIAL JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT IT.

IT IS THE LOT TO THE WEST OF OUR SITE WITH TREES.

THERE IS NO CURRENT PLANS THAT I'M AWARE OF TO DO ANYTHING.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

WE JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY OF PARCELS, IF THAT EVER DEVELOPS.

THERE IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY ALONG SHEARWATER PARKWAY.

THAT ACCESS POINT WOULD BE ALTERED TO BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ONLY AS PART OF THE SHEARWATER DRIVEWAY.

IT HAS VERY NICE COLUMNS AT FRONT, EITHER SIDE OF IT WITH VERY, VERY NICE LANDSCAPING.

SO THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE USED FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

IT WOULD BE USED FOR BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ONLY.

AND THE THE INTENTION OF THIS SITE WAS TO BRING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TYPE USES TO THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE HOPES THAT THIS WOULD GIVE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY BIKE OR WALK OR ACCESS A SITE WITHOUT HAVING TO GET IN THEIR VEHICLES.

CROSS FIGHT THE TRAFFIC THAT HAPPENS HERE AT 210.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE KIND OF A MULTIMODAL MODAL TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY IF WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN SOME MEDICAL TYPE USES LIKE THE DENTIST OR THE A PEDIATRICIAN'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

THERE IS THERE HAD BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT OUR PROPOSED HEIGHT, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35FT.

SO WE CREATED THIS TABLE TO KIND OF JUST ILLUSTRATE THAT OUR REQUEST FOR 35FT IS IN LINE WITH BOTH THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING CODE AS WELL

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AS THE EXISTING PUDS, BOTH FOR THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY, THE TOWN CENTER PROJECT TO THE NORTH, AS WELL AS A COUNTY ROAD 210 WEST DAYCARE AND RETAIL PUD.

SO WE ARE IN LINE WITH THE TYPICAL HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE FOUND THROUGHOUT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

IN FACT, THE SHEARWATER, THE ASHFORD MILLS PUD ACTUALLY ALLOWS COMMERCIAL UP TO 65FT.

SO IF THE PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SHEARWATER 210 INTERSECTION WAS EVER DEVELOPED BECAUSE THAT PARCEL IS PART OF THE PUD, THE SHEARWATER PUD, THEY COULD BUILD UP TO 65FT. SO OUR POTENTIAL BUILDING HEIGHT WOULD BE IN SCALE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED.

THANK YOU, MISS MARTINEZ. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NOW I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM THREE A.

HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIDN'T APPROVE THIS PUD, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AT YOU IN A DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL ASPECT.

THEY'D HAVE TO DO THEIR WETLAND DELINEATION.

I SAW WETLANDS BY GIVING THEM THE PUD.

THEY CAN FILL THESE IN.

AND THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

WHEN I WAS BUILDING, WE DESIGNED AROUND WE DID OUR WETLAND DELINEATION, FIGURED OUT WHERE OUR WETLANDS WERE AND DESIGNED PER THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND.

IMAGINE THAT CONCEPT LEAVING SOME TREES.

ACTUALLY, THAT WHOLE BACK OF THAT PROJECT LOOKS LIKE WET.

PROBABLY A LOT OF.

THERE AREN'T ANY TURTLES THERE THOUGH, RIGHT? NO, NO SPECIES THERE.

WHAT IS IT? JUST WATER AND TREES.

I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW.

COME ON, YOU GUYS.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN FOR 20 2025, IT ADDRESSED COMPATIBILITY, YOU KNOW, IS THIS IS THIS USE COMPATIBLE? I THINK WE NEED TO START DESIGNING PER TOPOGRAPHY.

THANK YOU. HEATHER HARLEY-DAVIDSON, DISTRICT THREE, SAINT JOHN'S JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS BUD LOUDENSLAGER.

I LIVE AT 331 WIND SWEPT WAY IN SHEARWATER.

MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS TODAY.

THE RESIDENTS OF SHEARWATER ARE PLEASED WITH THE DECISION BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR DECISION TODAY TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY HAVE VOTED ON.

AS MENTIONED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THEY APPROVED 7000FT² OF A SINGLE STRUCTURE TO THE EAST OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY. DUE TO NEIGHBORHOOD RANGE OF USE, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 72,000 PLUS SQUARE FEET OF A TWO STORY STRUCTURE THAT IS WITH GREATER INTENSITY OF USE, A BROADER RANGE OF USE, AND NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD RANGE OF USE AS SUGGESTED.

ISSUE NUMBER TWO TRAFFIC.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, HERE'S A COUPLE OF PICTURES AND PART OF THE MATERIAL THAT WAS PASSED FORWARD FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING IS PART OF YOUR PACKAGE INCLUDED PICTURES. WE KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC AT 210 AND SHEARWATER PARKWAY IS A CHALLENGE TO UNDERSTATE IT, EVEN WHEN THE EXPANSION TO THE FOUR LANES IS COMPLETED WILL BE AT 122% OF CAPACITY, AS MENTIONED BY MR. HILSEN HILTON BECK AND MR. MONTEVIOT. TOVIA.

SORRY. ANOTHER ISSUE IS TIMBERLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CONTINUES TO PRESENT GRIDLOCK.

THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO SAY IT.

OKAY? IT'S A CHALLENGE AT BEST.

EVERY SCHOOL DAY, BEGINNING IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS FROM SHEERWATER WILL NOW ATTEND THE TROUT CREEK ACADEMY BACK ON 16, SO THAT MEANS THERE'LL BE OTHER TRAFFIC FROM ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, BACKFILLING THOSE SPACES TO FILL UP TIMBERLAND. IF TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM NOW, IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.

AND FOR YOUR OWN SANITY, I WOULD RECOMMEND HIGHLY THAT YOU AVOID THAT AREA ON ANY RAINY DAY.

AND LAST, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION, I THINK.

IS THERE A NEED, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT AND COMMENTED ON BY FOUR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING

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REPRESENTATIVES. WE ALREADY HAVE A BIG DEVELOPMENT GOING ACROSS 210 NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION, AND THEY ALL SAY THERE IS NO NEED.

SO I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT IF THERE IS A NO NEED, WHY WOULD WE APPROVE THIS? THANK YOU.

IN AROUND 324 BEALE AVENUE.

I'M SUBMITTING A PETITION PREVIOUSLY SENT TO THE BOARD OF 588 SIGNATURES, 55 COMMENTS OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE FRONT OF SHEARWATER. ACCORDING TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND ANALYSIS SPREADSHEET DATED FOR 824.

THE TRAFFIC FROM GREENBRIAR TO CIMARRON IS 122.2% OVER CAPACITY DEFICIENT.

THIS PROJECT WILL ONLY ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO AN ALREADY DEFICIENT ROAD.

SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVE 8.1.2.5 TALKS ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE AMENDMENT EXISTS. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS INADEQUATE TO CARRY THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC EVEN AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED, AND ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS HAVE NO ACTUAL FUNDING, NOR ARE INCLUDED IN THE FIVE YEAR FUNDING PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL WIDENING.

WHAT EFFECT WILL THE HIGH IMPACT TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE ON SHEARWATER AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES? THE MEDICAL DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 250FT², WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO 290 PARKING SPACES.

IT WILL OVERBURDEN NOT ONLY TWO TON TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL ENTER SHEARWATER PARKWAY TO MAKE A U-TURN IN ORDER TO TRAVEL BACK WEST ON 210 OR TRAVEL SOUTH ON SHEARWATER PARKWAY TO EXIT 16, A SHEARWATER RESIDENTS WILL BEAR THE BURDEN FOR THE COST OF THE UPKEEP OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY.

THE CURRENT RIGHT TURN LANE ON 210 WEST WILL NOT ACCOMMODATE ALL THE VEHICLES ENTERING THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM THE WEST, AS WELL AS OUR OWN RESIDENT VEHICLES, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, SCHOOL BUSSES AND SCHOOL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL TIMBERLAND BUSSES, TROUT CREEK ACADEMY BUSSES, SCHOOL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC FROM THE OUTSIDE, SWISS POINT, AND BEACHSIDE BUSSES. WHAT IMPACT WILL THIS PROJECT AND THE OVERBURDENED STREETS HAVE ON THE SAFETY? AND NOT ONLY THE STUDENTS, BUT ALSO OUR NEIGHBORS.

AGAIN, 210 WEST WILL BE 122.2% OVER CAPACITY AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.

FOR EDMONTON ENTERPRISES, THIS IS A BUSINESS PROPOSITION.

ORIGINALLY IT WAS MAX SQUARE FOOTAGE MAX HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS.

BUT TO OUR SHEERWATER NEIGHBORS, THIS ISN'T A BUSINESS.

THIS IS OUR HOME.

WE ENTER OUR COMMUNITY AT LEAST ONCE A DAY.

USUALLY MORE OFTEN.

EVERY TIME WE ENTER SHEARWATER, OUR FIRST VIEW WILL BE THE MAX 35 FOOT TALL BUILDINGS TIMES TWO OR MORE AND THE MAX 72,480 SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I'M SURE MOST RESIDENTS IN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY WOULD PREFER A MORE BEAUTIFUL VIEW AS THEY APPROACH THEIR HOME, AND SHEARWATER NEIGHBORS WOULD ALSO LIKE THIS BEAUTIFUL VIEW WHEN WE COME HOME. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS RONNIE MURPHY.

I LIVE AT 247 DALTON CIRCLE IN SHEARWATER.

I COME HERE TO ASK YOU, PLEASE, NOT TO APPROVE THIS PUD.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAVE, AS YOU HAD ALREADY HEARD, IS THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN DURING THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON RUSH HOURS AND SCHOOL TIMES. TIMBERLINE CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AT THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GETS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY ONTO 210, GETS BACKED UP INTO SHEARWATER BOTH WAYS.

NOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING FROM THAT SCHOOL TO THE SCHOOL IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

AND NEW TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING IN FROM OTHER AREAS TO FILL IN THAT SCHOOL.

MOST OF THE STUDENTS WILL BE A LOT OF MORE STUDENTS WILL BE TAKEN BY BUS SINCE THEY'LL BE FURTHER THAN TWO MILES AWAY.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE BUSSES IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO THIS IS ALL GOING TO INTENSIFY THE TRAFFIC, BOTH ON 210 TURNING INTO SHEARWATER AND IN SHEARWATER AS WELL.

CURRENTLY THERE'S A LINE UP OF CARS EVEN OFF SCHOOL HOURS AND IT'LL BE WORSE.

ADD TO THAT A RAINY DAY.

TRAFFIC IS COMPOUNDED SO MUCH MORE DUE TO PARENTS DRIVING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL EVERY TIME IT RAINS.

NOW YOU ADD TO THAT A 72,480 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE CORNER OF TWO-TEN AND SHEARWATER, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL DISASTER THAT NOT ONLY POSES SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUES FOR OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT IT WILL ALSO INCREASE TRAFFIC AT THAT CORNER.

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BACKING UP THAT LOCATION IS JUST NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER.

SO THE PEOPLE LEAVING THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD MAKE A RIGHT IF THEY WERE MAKING A RIGHT, RIGHT INTO THE TURNING LANE COMING INTO SHEARWATER, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY FOR THEM TO GET OUT TO 210 AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO TURN INTO SHEARWATER, TURN AROUND OR GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO WITHIN A FEW YEARS, AS WE SAID BEFORE, THE TOWN CENTER IS GOING TO BE ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT WILL HAVE AMPLE SPACE FOR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USE.

EVEN AFTER THE 210 IS WIDENED, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE OVER CAPACITY.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF ALL OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN AND ALL THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

CONSIDER YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE UNANIMOUS DENIAL BY THE SAINT JOHN'S PLANNING AND ZONING.

PLEASE DO NOT JUST DO NOT APPROVE THIS.

BUT IN GENERAL. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MIKE GOODMAN.

225 WINDLEY DRIVE, SHEARWATER.

SO A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT OUR TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN SHEARWATER.

IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE OF ALLOWING TRAFFIC TO MOVE FREELY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO DO IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. AS YOU KNOW, OUR OUR DEVELOPMENT IS VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT.

OUR DEVELOPER DID US NO FAVORS BY HAVING ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT UNTIL JUST RECENTLY WHEN WE OPENED UP AN EXIT TO 16 A.

BUT STILL, THAT ONLY GIVES US TWO INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OVER THREE IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE OVER 3000 HOMES IN THERE.

IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

AND THEN COMPOUND THE FACT THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO POINTS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS AT THOSE POINTS.

WE HAVE A SIZABLE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITH A DENSE STUDENT POPULATION.

THIS SITUATION CREATES A VERY HAZARDOUS SITUATION FOR THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS.

IF YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE ON 16 A AND TRYING TO GET IN FROM 16 A INTO THE SOUTHERN PART OF SHEARWATER, THAT'S A 55 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT THERE.

THERE ARE NO TURN LANES TO ALLOW THOSE TURNING INTO OR COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO SAFELY COME OFF, OR GO ON TO 16 A.

I ANTICIPATE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES WHEN THE SCHOOL STARTS OPERATING THIS FALL, AND I THINK WE NEED TO LEAD, TURN THAT AND GET ON TOP OF IT AND FIX THAT SITUATION SO WE SAVE, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND THE PARENTS THAT ARE BRINGING THEIR KIDS IN.

SO EMERGENCY RESPONSE IF THE FIRE RESCUE IS CALLED TO ATTEND TO A VICTIM IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S A CHALLENGE ALREADY. IT HAS BEEN AS THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW.

AND NOW WE'RE OPENING UP THIS OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THIS ACADEMY.

THIS IS A SERIOUS CONCERN PER FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE 69 DASH 60, WHEN 911 IS CALLED, THEY DISPATCH TWO DEPUTIES, A FIRE RESCUE TRUCK AND A FIRE AND A RESCUE VEHICLE.

OKAY, THAT'S A POTENTIAL OF FOUR ADDITIONAL VEHICLES TRYING TO GET IN IN AN URGENT SITUATION, AND THEY'RE GOING TO ENCOUNTER MULTIPLE PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE CONGESTION. I GOT 10S LEFT, SO WE DON'T NEED TO ADD EVERY ONE OF YOU HAS SAID ON YOUR CAMPAIGN POINTS YOU'RE GOING TO SLOW DOWN DEVELOPMENT.

PLEASE DO IT NOW. THIS IS THE EASY ONE.

TAKE IT OFF YOUR LIST.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BRENDA PILLAR.

I LIVE AT 138 LAUREL GATE IN SHEARWATER.

THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY HAS AN ONGOING WATER PRESSURE ISSUE, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE HOMES, AND A LACK OF IRRIGATION WATER.

THERE'S ESTIMATED TO BE 2000 HOMES CURRENTLY IN A PROJECTED 800 MORE TO BE BUILT.

IN AN EFFORT TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY SHEARWATER FAMILIES ARE AFFECTED BY WATER PRESSURE ISSUES, WE CONDUCTED A POLL ON OUR SHEARWATER FACEBOOK PAGE JUNE 18TH ASKING THEM TO RESPOND EITHER NO, I DON'T HAVE WATER PRESSURE ISSUES, OR YES, I HAVE PARTIAL WATER PRESSURE ISSUES OR YES, COMPLETE LOSS

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OF WATER PRESSURE.

THE RESULT WAS STAGGERING.

ONLY OVER 90% OF THE RESIDENTS BETWEEN THE TWO.

YES RESPONSES ARE HAVING WATER PRESSURE ISSUES.

I JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THIS COMMUNITY CAN BE EXPECTED TO KEEP ON TAKING IT.

JIA IS HOPING, WITH NO GUARANTEE, THAT WHEN SURE WATER IS CONNECTED TO RECLAIMED WATER, THAT OUR WATER PRESSURE OR LACK OF IRRIGATION WATER WILL IMPROVE.

CURRENTLY, THERE IS AN AUTOMATED VALVE ON AN IRRIGATION MAIN WHICH MONITORS WATER PRESSURE, AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY.

WHEN THE PRESSURE FALLS, THE SOLENOID CUTS THE WATER OFF TO OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND WE EITHER HAVE COMPLETE LOSS OF WATER PRESSURE OR PARTIAL LOSS OF PRESSURE. THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL UTILIZE APPROXIMATELY 10,870 GALLONS PER DAY OF POTABLE WATER AND GENERATE 10,870 GALLONS PER DAY OF SANITARY SEWER USE, PER THE INFORMATION FROM GE.

AND THE NUMBER ONE CONNECTION POINT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE THE EXISTING 16 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG STATE ROUTE 210 WEST. THE CONNECTION POINT NUMBER TWO WILL BE THE EXISTING 16 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG SHEARWATER PARKWAY FOR POTABLE WATER.

THE CONNECTION POINT ONE WILL BE THE EXISTING 12 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG SHEARWATER PARKWAY FOR RECLAIMED WATER.

JUST BECAUSE JAY CONNECT'S WATER DOESN'T MEAN THE PRESSURE IS GOOD, IT ACTUALLY COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

SHEARWATER RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY WATER PRESSURE ISSUES YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND WE ARE ASKING THAT NO MORE.

NO MORE CONNECTIONS BE ADDED TO THE SHEARWATER POTABLE AND RECLAIMED WATER.

MY NAME IS DIANA LAWRENCE AND FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS I'VE LIVED AT 345 WINDSWEPT WAY IN SHEARWATER.

PRIOR TO THAT, I LIVED IN FRUIT COVE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, SO I'VE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY A LONG TIME.

THERE ARE MANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THIS PROPOSED PUD REQUEST, AND YOU'VE HEARD THEM A LOT ALREADY, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY MY PART TWO CONCERNS FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY THAT AFFECT NOT ONLY COUNTY ROAD 210, BUT ALSO SHEARWATER PARKWAY, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE DIVIDED CENTER MEDIANS AND LIMITED TURN ACCESS GOING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE HAVE THE CONCERNS FOR THE SAFETY, FOR THE SAFETY OF THE SCHOOL CHILDREN ATTENDING TIMBERLAND CREEK ELEMENTARY FROM OUTSIDE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NAVIGATING IN AND OUT OF AN ALREADY BUSY AND OVERBURDENED INTERSECTION.

CONCERNS THAT MAKE US WONDER IF THESE PROPOSED MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS, WITH THEIR INCREASED DEMAND FOR WATER USAGE, WILL PLACE AN EVEN GREATER STRAIN ON G WATER SYSTEMS? CONCERNS THAT THE PROPOSED TWO STOREY STRUCTURES, WHICH COULD BE TWO OR POSSIBLY MORE BUILDINGS THAT AUTUMN MARTINAGE MENTIONED WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING AT THE LAST PCA BOARD MEETING, WILL BRING EVEN MORE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

AND FOR THE RECORD, ON THAT MEETING ON JUNE 20TH, THE PCA BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY SIX TO NOTHING TO DENY THIS PUD REQUEST.

THEY HEARD WHAT WE WERE SAYING.

WE ARE NOT ANTI COMMERCIAL.

WE KNOW THIS AREA IS GROWING AND THAT SUPPORT SERVICES ARE NEEDED.

BUT WON'T THAT NEED BE MET WITH AN ALREADY APPROVED LARGE COMMERCIAL TOWN CENTER THAT WILL BE COMING SOON, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR SHEERWATER NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSING ALMOST EVERY TYPE OF RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT SMALL STORES, BIG BOX STORES, OFFICE, MEDICAL, GROCERY, RESTAURANTS, FAST FOOD, EVEN A POSSIBLE GAS STATION AND THAT WILL BRING MORE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

HOW CAN THIS PROPOSED PUD BE CONSIDERED NECESSARY OR EVEN AN ASSET ON THAT CORNER.

SORELY NEEDED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FOR COUNTY ROAD 210 ARE UNDERWAY, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT WHEN COMPLETED, THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS STILL PROJECTED TO BE 122% OVER CAPACITY.

YES, WE HAVE CONCERNS.

CHANGE IS GOOD.

HOWEVER, AS A LONG TIME SAINT JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT, I THINK THIS CHANGE, THIS PD PUD REQUEST IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, NOR IS IT GOOD FOR THE MANY SAINT JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS AS THEY WILL BE TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH ON COUNTY ROAD 210.

THIS KIND OF CHANGE IS JUST NOT GOOD.

I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE TO DENY THIS.

2023 SHEARWATER 210 PUD REQUEST PLEASE, AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

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MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS RICK MELLING, 78 BERQUIST COURT.

YOU'VE HEARD THE DATA.

INFORMATION ABOUT TRAFFIC.

I DON'T THINK I NEED TO REITERATE THAT DURING THE TWO MEETINGS WITH OR MEETINGS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE VERY ADAMANT AND THOROUGH, USING THE SUPPORT STAFF TO DETERMINE IF THE ALREADY APPROVED 1,000,000 SQUARE FOOT ACROSS THE STREET COULD ACCOMMODATE THE OFFICES, THE MEDICAL NEEDS THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS POD WAS SUGGESTING THAT WOULD HAPPEN, AND IT WAS INDICATED THAT THEY CAN USE THE MILLION SQUARE FOOT FACILITY FOR MEDICAL BUSINESS.

SO THEREFORE, IT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A CLONE OR A COPY OF ANOTHER BUSINESS OFFICE, OR A COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE CONGESTION COULD CAUSE TROUBLE WITH TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STUDENTS GOING TO SCHOOL UP FRONT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED IN AS MOST OF THE CIRQUE WATER KIDS WILL BE GOING TO THE NEW SCHOOL 12:16 A.M..

SO THERE'S AN ADDED INFLUX OF MOTOR VEHICLES GETTING KIDS TO AND FROM SCHOOL DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.

AND I TRULY BELIEVE THE REPRESENTATIVE IS ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE ANY DIFFERENT RESULTS, IF THERE IS A CONTINUANCE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HAS ALREADY SAID THIS WOULD NOT HELP THE COMMUNITY WHATSOEVER.

HOW DO I GET THAT ON? YEAH.

MY NAME IS DON LOPER.

I LIVE AT 184 GULF CIRCLE, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AS A BACKGROUND, I WAS AN ARCHITECT AND PLANNER FOR 45 YEARS, LICENSED IN 12 STATES, INCLUDING FLORIDA.

I AM HERE TO OPPOSE THIS PUD.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS A PUD IN THE TRUE SENSE, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ONLY TWO RECTANGLES SURROUNDED BY A SEA OF PARKING, DOESN'T SHOW PLANTING, DOESN'T SHOW RETAINED AREAS, DOESN'T EVEN SHOW WHERE TO DROP OFF YOUR GARBAGE AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PICKED UP.

AND THEN PARTICULARLY IT DOESN'T SHOW 210 AS IT'S GOING TO BE PUDS ARE ALLOWED ARE TO ALLOW ADJUSTMENTS IN ZONING REGS TO GET A BETTER DESIGN AND FOR A MORE SUITABLE TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND NEEDS OF THE COUNTY AND SURROUNDING THE COMMUNITY.

THIS APPLICANT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY APPROXIMATELY SIX YEARS AGO AND BASED ON THE DESIGN OR LACK OF DESIGN, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE OWNERS DO NOT WANT TO DEVELOP IT, BUT SIMPLY SELL IT OFF AND TAKE THEIR PROFIT BACK TO CALIFORNIA.

LOOKING AT THE PLAN, IT IS OBVIOUS WHY THEY DO NOT WANT TO SHOW 210.

THIS IS REALLY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE THEIR ENTRANCE.

IF YOU COME OUT OF IT, YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN EITHER INTO THE TURNING LANE TO GET IT AND MAKE A U-TURN IN SHEERWATER, OR YOU HAVE TO GO ACROSS TWO LANES AND TRY TO GET YOURSELF INTO THE U-TURN LANE IN THE NEW 210.

THIS IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

I'M NOT AGAINST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER, BUT THE OWNER MAY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES COME ON THE MARKET, AND THEN THEY CAN BE COMBINED AND MAKE A SUITABLE PUD, WHERE THE EXIT CAN BE MOVED DOWN SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET.

AND IT WOULD BE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT.

THIS COUNTY IS GROWING, AND THAT'S EXCITING.

BUT WE DO NOT NEED TO FOLLOW DUVAL'S FOOTSTEPS AND CREATE A HODGEPODGE OF STRIP CENTERS AND PARKING LOTS AND LOOK LIKE BEACH OR ATLANTIC BOULEVARD.

SO I ASK YOU TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TOM HEBERLE.

I RESIDE AT 97 DADE COURT IN SHEARWATER.

I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY BACK ON JUNE 20TH OF THIS YEAR.

FIRST OF ALL, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS OPEN RURAL WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AS RURAL

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SILVICULTURE. ONE BOARD MEMBER STATED THAT THIS PARCEL WILL NOT QUALIFY FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT UNDER A .1.2.8, BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT INFILL DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED IN SES AREAS OR A1 AREAS.

THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT A DEVELOPMENT AREA, NOR IS IT A VACANT PARCEL THAT IS TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ONE ON EACH PARCEL.

INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS DEVELOPMENT ON VACANT PARCEL OR PARCELS, WITH DEVELOPMENT WITHIN DEVELOPMENT AREAS SURROUNDED BY AN EXISTING BUILT AREA.

ESSENTIALLY THIS THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL MEANS MEANS COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE USES INTENDED TO SERVE THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

IN FACT, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVELY SERVED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE BY BIKE WALKING, ROLLERBLADING, OR ANY OTHER ANY OTHER MEANS.

THE GOLF CARTS CAN ONLY GO UP THE MULTI-PATH TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND IT'S PHYSICALLY BLOCKED FROM GOING ANY FURTHER. SO IT'S REALLY NOT A USE.

IT'S IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD USE.

SECOND OF ALL THE NEW PART OF SHEARWATER, WHICH IS PHASE THREE, IS THREE MILES AWAY.

IS IS AT LEAST 2 OR 3 MILES AWAY FROM FROM WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE.

ONE MEMBER OF THE ZONING BOARD QUESTIONED THE NEED FOR A DEVELOPMENT, SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE APPROVED THE TOWN CENTER ACROSS FROM 210, ACROSS 210, WHICH HAS ONE ALMOST 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF MEDICAL OFFICES, OFFICES AND RESTAURANTS. ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER, MR. MORENO, BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A TINY STRIP MALL THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD RECENTLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHEARWATER, BUT THAT WAS ONLY 7200FT² AS OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 70,000FT². THANK YOU.

I LIVE AT 97 DADE COURT IN SHEARWATER.

I'M KAREN HEBERLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE SOME DISCREPANCIES IN THE ONGOING PLANS THAT ARE CAUSING CONCERN.

ON FEBRUARY 27TH, THE SHEARWATER RESIDENTS MET AT TIMBERLAND CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO HEAR ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS MEETING CAUSED US TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

WE ASKED IF WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS TO DISCUSS OUR CONCERNS, BUT WE'RE TOLD NO.

WE REQUESTED TO SEE ANY PRELIMINARY ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS, AS WE WOULD LIKE THE PLANS TO BLEND IN WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WERE TOLD THAT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS NOT PART OF SHEARWATER, THAT THIS REQUEST WOULD NOT BE MADE, THAT THE BUILDER OWNER WOULD CHOOSE ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS FOR TWO 25 FOOT TALL BUILDINGS.

AT THE LAST PTA MEETING IN JUNE, WE HEARD THAT THERE MIGHT BE THREE BUILDINGS TOTAL AND BUT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE BUILT FOR FIVE YEARS.

THEY WERE WAITING TO BEGIN UNTIL THE COMPLETION OF THE 210 EXPANSION.

THERE ARE ONLY VERY PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH POTENTIAL TENANTS.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HAWKINS CONSTRUCTION DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.

COULD THIS INDICATE THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD BEGIN SOONER? THERE IS A LONG LIST OF APPROVED BUSINESSES THAT COULD LEASE THESE SPACES, ONE OF THEM BEING MEDICAL OFFICES.

IT WAS IMPLIED THAT A MEDICAL OFFICE WOULD BE THE TENANTS.

WOULD BE A TENANT.

BUT THIS AT THIS POINT, IT IS SPECULATION ONLY, IS THAT THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC TENANTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

I ALSO CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

210 IS ALREADY EXCEEDS NORMAL NORMAL LIMITS, PERSONALLY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF YOU ARE TRYING TO EXIT SHEARWATER AT PEAK TRAFFIC

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TIMES, YOU LITERALLY CANNOT GET OUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY IN AN ATTEMPT TO AVOID A POSSIBLE TRAGEDY.

I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER ALL OUR OVERLYING CONCERNS THE EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC, MOST IMPORTANTLY THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND RESIDENTS AND THE GENERAL ESTHETICS OF OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY.

I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE UNANIMOUSLY FOR VOTE NO TODAY.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS LINDA LEE, 78 BOROUGH CREST COURT.

I'VE BEEN TO THE PAST FEW MEETINGS.

I WAS AT THE MEETING WHEN THE PCA BOARD DECIDED THAT, NO, THIS WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR US.

WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THEM LISTENING TO US.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE LAST FEBRUARY, AND EACH TIME A CONTINUANCE IS ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE.

THANK YOU FOR NOT GRANTING THE CONTINUANCE AGAIN TODAY.

WE NEED TO GET THIS SETTLED AND BE DONE WITH IT.

IT PUTS A BURDEN ON A LOT OF US TO BE DOWN HERE FOR ALL THESE MEETINGS.

BUT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

SHEARWATER HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS.

I'VE BEEN IN THERE FOR THREE YEARS NOW.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN US.

HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE THAT HE USES.

HE NEVER BUILT THE OTHER ENTRANCE THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO AT THE BACK, AND WE HAVE SINCE HAD A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BUILT AND AN ENTRANCE MADE.

SO NOW WE DO HAVE A WAY TO GET OUT IN THE BACK THAT WE NEVER HAD BEFORE.

SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT KEEPING UP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT CERTAIN CRITERIA WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS, AND A ZONING REQUEST SHALL NOT BE APPROVED IF THE PERMITTED USE HAVE AN UNREASONABLE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR AREAS AROUND HERE.

EVERY TIME WE COME TO A NEW MEETING, THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS CHANGES.

IT WENT FROM 2 TO 3, POSSIBLY FOUR.

THERE WASN'T EVEN ENOUGH PARKING AVAILABLE.

IF IT WAS ONLY TWO BUILDINGS, WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE MEDICAL.

AND THEN WE WERE TOLD THAT, OH WELL, HE MIGHT NOT START FOR FIVE YEARS.

BUT THEN IN ANOTHER BREATH WE HEARD, OH, HE'S BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THESE DOCTORS AND HE'S BEEN TALKING.

SO IT'S LIKE THE DEVELOPERS SWAYING AND CHANGING WITH WHATEVER THEY THINK THE BOARD WANTS TO HEAR.

I HOPE YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM US AND THAT WE DON'T NEED THIS HERE.

WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PLENTY OF ADVANTAGES ACROSS THE STREET.

LAST TIME THEY SAID, OH, WELL, IT'S GOING TO HAVE DENNIS OFFICE AND WE HAVE A DENTIST 1.9 MILES AWAY.

WE HAVE MEDICAL 1.5 MILES AWAY.

WE'VE GOT WHAT WE NEED RIGHT THERE, THE BUILDING TO THE EAST OF IT, THE SMALL STRIP.

IT HAS SIX SHOPS ONLY AND IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR TWO YEARS NOW.

ONLY FOUR OF THEM ARE RENTED OUT.

THEY CAN'T EVEN RUN OUT ALL THAT.

AND NOW THEY WANT.

THESE PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD MORE OVER HERE.

CAN'T EVEN RUN OUT THESE BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY'S WAITING TO SEE WHAT'S COMING ACROSS THE STREET.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THE DECISION TODAY.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I LIVE AT 247 DALTON CIRCLE, AND I ALSO HAVE THE PLEASURE TO SIT ON THE BOARD FOR TROUT CREEK CBD.

MY NAME IS FRANK MURPHY.

AND I IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE, TODAY TO NOT APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST.

THOSE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY WILL BE THE MOST DETRIMENTALLY IMPACTED BY THIS REQUEST.

THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THIS PLAN WOULD HAVE ON THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD ALSO BE UNACCEPTABLE.

YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM EACH MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ALREADY.

AND I JUST WANT TO SUMMARIZE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE TRAFFIC PROBLEM ON 210.

IF THIS WAS APPROVED AT THE PGA MEETING.

BOARD MEMBERS HASSELBECK AND MATOVINA POINTED OUT THAT COUNTY ROUTE 210 IS GOING TO BE AT 122 CAPACITY AFTER THE WIDENING PROJECT IS COMPLETED. THE REQUEST OF REZONING APPLICATION WOULD INCLUDE MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS PARKING FOR APPROXIMATELY 300 VEHICLES.

THE SITE WOULD ATTRACT HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL CARS DAILY TO AN ALREADY OVER TRAFFICKED ROADWAY.

ADDING TO THIS TRAFFIC PROBLEM, ALL VEHICLES ENTERING AND LEAVING THE REQUESTED SITE WOULD ONLY BE USING COUNTY ROUTE 210.

LASTLY, THE REQUESTED SITE WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY AND COUNTY ROUTE 210 INTERSECTION, MAKING ACCESS AND

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EGRESS TO AND FROM THE SITE FOR ANY VEHICLES HEADING WEST ON COUNTY ROUTE 210.

VERY DIFFICULT AND DANGEROUS TO TO GET IN AND OUT.

THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE WE'RE FACED AS SHEARWATER RESIDENTS WITH BIGGER TRAFFIC PROBLEMS COME NEXT MONTH.

I MEAN STARTING THIS AUGUST, ALL STUDENTS ATTENDING TIMBERLINE WILL BE USING THE SHEARWATER PARKWAY COUNTY ROUTE 210 INTERSECTION TO GET TO THE SCHOOL.

IN THE PAST HALF, IF NOT MORE, OF THE TIMBERLINE STUDENTS LIVED IN SHEARWATER AND DID NOT HAVE TO USE COUNTY ROUTE 210 TO GET TO AND FROM SCHOOL.

ALL OF OUR STUDENTS WILL BE ATTENDING THE NEW SCHOOL OFF OF 16 A COME NEXT MONTH.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN SCHOOL BUS AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, BOTH IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, FIVE DAYS A WEEK FOR ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS THAT WILL BE COMING TO SCHOOL FROM 210.

THE THE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUEST AND SUBSEQUENT MAJOR INCREASE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TRAFFIC WILL MAKE A BAD SITUATION UNBEARABLE AND UNSAFE FOR THE STUDENTS.

AND LASTLY, THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL SPACE IN OUR IMMEDIATE AREA IS NOT NECESSARY.

WE'VE HEARD TIME AND AGAIN THERE'S GOING TO BE 1,000,000.5FT² TOWN CENTER ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT IS GOING TO MORE THAN SATISFY ALL LOCAL REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE PGA BOARD MEMBER, MONTEVINA NOTED THAT THE MEETING AT THE MEETING THAT REQUESTED COMMERCIAL ZONING PLAN WOULD NOT HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD RANGE OF USE. IT'S GOING TO BE IS GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER.

SO PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE.

THANK YOU. MICHAEL MCDONALD, WINDSWEPT ACRES.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR SEEING THIS TODAY AND NOT ALLOWING IT TO BE PUSHED TO THE NEXT MEETING.

SO THESE PEOPLE'S TIME IS SPENT WISELY.

YEAH, THAT'S I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ENOUGH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR YOU GUYS TO HEAR AND CONSIDER THE FACTS.

IT SAYS THEY'VE GOT 500 RESIDENTS THAT HAVE SIGNED A PETITION THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY ACTIVE COMMUNITY OUT OF OUT OF 3000 RESIDENTS.

YEAH. I THINK THAT IS A STRONG PROPOSAL TO DENY SUCH A LARGE SCALE PROJECT.

70,000 SQUARE FOOT IS QUITE LARGE.

THEY COULD EASILY DOWNSIZE THAT IF THEY TRULY WANTED TO BENEFIT THAT COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I'M SURE THE LEASING I'M SURE THE LEASED BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA IS NOT AT 100%. SO THE OCCUPANCY IS NOT THERE FOR THAT 70,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

THAT'S JUST GOING TO PUT MORE BURDEN ON THAT AREA WHEN THERE'S NO REAL NEED FOR IT.

AND WITH 1,000,000 SQUARE FOOT ACROSS THE STREET, THAT'S ALARMING AS CAN BE.

THAT'S VERY ALARMING.

AND IT JUST EVERY, EVERY EVERY AGENDA ITEM, I JUST HEAR NEW THINGS AND I SEE THE GS AND INTO THIS ONE, IT'S LIKE, HOW DEEP IS G INTO OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE NO THERE'S NO BACKGROUND OR THERE'S NO LET ME SEE THE WORD.

THERE'S NO PUNISHMENT TO THEM IF THEY DO NOT PROVIDE US RECLAIMED WATER WHEN WE NEED IT.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH YOU GET WHAT YOU GET, YOU GET WHEN YOU GET.

THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT WATER.

AND AT THAT RATE, WHEN WE'RE YEARS AND DECADES BEHIND OF ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE OUT WITH LACK OF WITH LACK OF RESOURCES TO US, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO BUY THAT OUT, IT IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE IF WE LET THEM SPREAD THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY UNHINDERED FOR THIS, THIS LONG.

WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR US TO BUY BACK OUR SHARE OF GIA, IT'S GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO DEBT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NIGHTMARE ON OUR HANDS.

AND YES, THAT'S ALARMING.

TO KNOW THAT GIA ISN'T CAN'T EVEN PROVIDE THEM RECLAIMED WATER.

WHEN I COULD FIND IT ONLINE THAT IT SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY ACCOUNTABLE TO IT, IT IT DOESN'T.

WE WILL DO OUR BEST.

PRETTY MUCH. SO, YES, WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO OUR WATER RIGHTS AND THE ACCESS TO THOSE PEOPLE'S TRAVEL, IT'S, IT'S A NIGHTMARE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ENDURE THE WHOLE 210 PROJECT.

THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ENDURE THE BUILDING OF THAT MILLION SQUARE FOOT, AND NOT TO MENTION ALL THE THINGS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE.

SO I HOPE YOU GUYS JUST DENY THIS PROJECT AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO DOWNSIZE IT.

MAYBE IF IT'S A 7000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OR A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND MAYBE USE THAT THIRD LOT TO GAIN ACCESS ON IT, USE THAT THIRD LOT.

PUSH THE PUSH THE ACCESS POINT UP IF YOU'RE DESTINED TO DO IT.

BUT TO PUT IT THAT CLOSE TO THAT INTERSECTION IS NO GOOD.

YES. AND GOD, STOP COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES.

OKAY, LET ME GO AHEAD AND GET DOWN TO SOME RELATIVE FACTS ABOUT THIS.

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ALL RIGHT. 2015 SHEARWATER WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE.

OKAY. YES. NOBODY WAS HERE.

I WAS HERE, AND I VAGUELY REMEMBER IT.

I REALLY WASN'T THINKING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT SAID IT WAS GOING TO PUT 1500 ACRES WITH APPROXIMATELY 3000 DWELLINGS, SO APPROXIMATELY 3000 DWELLINGS ON APPROXIMATELY 2.5MI².

BETWEEN TWO, TEN, AND 16.

NOBODY WAS HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WATER PRESSURE OR THIS 7000 900,000 OR 79,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

NONE OF THEM SAT THERE AND WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CLEAR CUT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING DONE.

OH YES, BECAUSE IF YOU GO DOWN 16, THAT POOR LITTLE ELWOOD IS JUST GETTING RAPED IS GETTING EXPOSED.

I MEAN, JUST THE ONLY THING YOU SEE, THE HOUSE IS IN THE DISTANCE BEHIND IT THAT SHEARWATER.

OKAY. BUT NOW THEY DON'T WANT A 79,000 SQUARE FOOT UP BY THE FRONT BECAUSE THAT MIGHT DEMISE THE SHEARWATER DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. SO AND TO HAVE ANOTHER EXPORT OR A ROAD SO THEY CAN GET ON 16 A BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD.

BEFORE THE TRAFFIC WAS SO BAD, DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT WAS NOT BUILT.

BOTTOM LINE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.

WE KNOW THAT.

ELWOOD IS NOTHING.

THE CLEAR CUTTING THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THAT LITTLE DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OLD, IT'S OUT OF USE.

IT HAS NO POLITICAL VALUE WITH WITHIN IT.

UNLIKE THESE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE COMPANY THAT STARTED SHEARWATER.

FREEHOLD COMMUNITIES, IS HEADQUARTERED IN BOSTON.

OKAY. AND SO THIS IS HAPPENING TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THERE'S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.

SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ISN'T BECOMING NORTHERN OR WHATNOT LIKE THAT.

IT IS BECOMING SOUTH FLORIDA.

WHEN COMMUNITIES COME IN AND THEY WANT TO RUN IT THEIR WAY.

ALL THOSE THOUSANDS OF HOUSES AND THOUSANDS OF CARS THAT BROUGHT THAT THEY BRING IN, AND NOW THEY JUST FREAKING COMPLAIN ABOUT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, NOT ENOUGH SCHOOLS.

AND THEY COME HERE COMPLAINING.

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC.

BUT THIS IS A POLITICAL MOTIVATED ISSUE RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS PUSHED FORWARD TO KEEP GOING.

THANK YOU. I AGREE THAT SLAVE IN BOX 304, YOU'VE HEARD NOW 15 WITNESSES AND COUNTING.

UNDISPUTED TESTIMONY.

THIS IS NOT A NECESSARY AND PROPER USE OF THE PUD.

AND ESPECIALLY I WAS IMPRESSED BY TOM GOLDBERG, WHO WAS AN ARCHITECT WITH 45 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

THIS IS NOT A PROPER PUD UNDER THE FLORIDA PUD LAWS.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT FLORIDA PUD LAWS DO ALLOW.

IT'S DISGUSTING. KATHY BROWN, LONG TIME MEMBER OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE CITY PCB, SHE SAID THAT PUDS ARE A SNEAKY WAY OF GETTING AROUND ZONING. AND THAT'S EXACTLY ALL THIS IS.

BY THE WAY, SENATOR MENENDEZ FROM NEW JERSEY WAS CONVICTED OF BRIBERY TODAY.

ALL OF Y'ALL NEED TO KNOW THAT THE FEDERAL BRIBERY LAWS ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL.

AND I KNOW ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING IN THE SAINT AUGUSTINE RECORD THE OTHER DAY ABOUT HAVING BEEN ACCUSED OF BRIBERY.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE HAVING ACCUSED HIM OF BRIBERY, BUT I DO THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, IT'S INSIDIOUS.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS GO INTO THESE CANDIDATES AND THEY CLICK THEIR HEELS AND THEY DO WHATEVER THE DEVELOPERS WANT, AND YOU KNOW IT, AND I KNOW IT, AND IT'S WRONG. AND THAT'S WHY YOU CENSURE CHRISTA KEATING.

JOSEPH. PLEASE DENY THIS ONE.

AND LET'S LOOK AT THE OVERUSE OF PEDS.

LET'S LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE OF PEDS.

WE NEVER DO PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS OF PAST ACTIONS BY THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

YOU'LL HAVE YOUR VOTES, AND YOU MAKE YOUR DEALS AND YOU GET YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS.

BUT DOES ANYBODY EVER GO BACK AND EVALUATE, DID THIS PUD, X, Y, OR Z COMPLY WITH THE TERMS OF THE STATUTE OR THE PLAN, DID THEY? THERE'S NO COMPLIANCE EVALUATION HERE.

WHO EVALUATES PROJECTS SPENDING FOR COMPLIANCE? WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED ON THE BUDGET.

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104 QUESTIONS ON THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT I ASKED LAST SEPTEMBER NEVER ANSWERED.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN ASK TODAY, JESSE, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

I THINK YOU'RE LACKADAISICAL.

I THINK YOU'RE LACKING INTEREST.

EXCEPT FOR ONE, I THINK IF A LOBBYIST COMES TO YOUR OFFICE, HE DOESN'T.

OR SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.

SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TURNED DOWN A PROPOSAL BY COMMISSIONER JAMES JOHNS TO HAVE LOBBYIST REGISTRATION.

AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THE COMMISSIONER FROM PONTE VEDRA, JAY MORRIS, FORMER CORPORATE EXECUTIVE, SAID IT WOULD BE BURDENSOME $25 A YEAR TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.

THAT'S BURDENSOME. NO, I THINK THESE PUDS ARE BURDENSOME.

AND I THINK YOU TAKE TOO MANY CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE WITH INTERESTS IN LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE, AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WEAR A NASCAR JACKET.

COULD WE PLEASE REQUIRE LOBBYIST DISCLOSURE NOW, PLEASE? ANN MARIE EVANS I JUST AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY HAS SAID THAT 210 IS.

OH, I'M SORRY, PROTECTED ADDRESS.

ANN MARIE EVANS, CANDIDATE FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT ONE.

ANYWAY, I AGREE WITH WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF SHEARWATER SAID.

I'VE BEEN IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE BEEN ON DEVELOPMENTS FURTHER DOWN 210 THAT DON'T HAVE A STOPLIGHT, AND WHAT A NIGHTMARE TO MAKE A TURN.

SO UNTIL 210 IS CAUGHT UP, I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU NOT APPROVE THIS.

THIS PROJECT ALSO HOPE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE NEW SCHOOL, AS SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT TALKED TODAY DID.

THAT WILL BE OPENING AUGUST 12TH.

THAT WILL HOUSE ABOUT 1500 KIDS.

THAT'S BEFORE WE START ADDING THE PORTABLES, WHICH UNDOUBTEDLY WE WILL, BECAUSE IF WE OPENED UP FIVE NEW SCHOOLS TOMORROW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS TOLD ME THAT STILL WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH.

SCHOOLS DON'T GO UP OVERNIGHT.

THE SCHOOL IS LARGE.

IT'S TAKEN A WHILE.

I HOPE THAT THE COUNTY WILL GET OUT THERE AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO WHAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AUGUST 12TH, IF THEY DO NOT DO SO, THANK YOU.

ANN TAYLOR, 353 TAVISTOCK DRIVE, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I KNOW A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN, IN IN THIS AREA IN SHEARWATER AND THEY ASKED ME AND IF YOU WERE UP THERE, HOW WOULD YOU VOTE ON THIS? THEY'RE VERY, VERY CONCERNED.

AND TO ME, LOOKING AT ALL OF YOU, THERE SHOULD BE A VERY, VERY EASY DECISION TO THINK ABOUT.

THE RESIDENTS, PUT YOURSELVES IN THEIR SHOES, AND THIS SHOULD BE A VERY EASY DECISION TO TO DENY THIS AT THIS TIME.

INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T THERE.

AND THIS THIS IS NOT A GOOD MOVE.

SO LET'S HOPE THAT THE RESIDENTS WIN IN THIS ONE.

SO THANKS. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY, WE'RE BACK TO YOU, MISS MARTIN.

THANK YOU. I WILL TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

AS FAR AS TRAFFIC.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN AREA OF POINT OF CONCERN.

TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE ALL OVER SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THE REMOVAL OF OUR ACCESS POINT OFF OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY LEAVES US WITH ONE POINT OF ACCESS OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 210.

IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN ALLEVIATE ANY FURTHER THAN THAT, BUT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DIRECT IT AWAY FROM THE DIRECT IMPACTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

WATER AVAILABILITY, PRESSURE, CONNECTIVITY CONCERNS.

THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

IT WAS KIND OF NOTED IN THE AVAILABILITY LETTER THAT WE DID RECEIVE FROM GIA AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IF THIS PROJECT WERE APPROVED AND WE WERE READY TO SUBMIT FOR REQUESTS FOR CONNECTIVITY, AND GIA DEEMED THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD WHATEVER APPROVALS OR WHATEVER, THEY WOULD TELL US THAT WE COULD NOT PROCEED WITH OUR PROJECT.

SO IF JAY DEEMS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WATER OR WATER OR WASTEWATER AVAILABILITY, OUR PROJECT WOULD JUST BE ON HOLD UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE CAPACITY WAS INCREASED. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY.

ONE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP THAT WE WERE REQUESTING A LAND USE AMENDMENT TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST, BUT WE REVISED OUR APPLICATION AFTER THE MARCH PCA MEETING.

WE ARE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR A LAND USE AMENDMENT OF RESIDENTIAL SEE SI TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY AND THE 210 DAYCARE PUD OVER TO THE EAST SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION.

WE DID MEET WITH THE.

THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

WE DID MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.

WE DID ADDRESS THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THE CLIENT, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE MARCH PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, THERE WAS NOT TIME TO

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SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING AT THAT TIME.

AND SO WE WE DID NOT SCHEDULE ANOTHER ANOTHER MEETING.

AT THE TIME OF THE MARCH PTA MEETING, THERE WAS CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE INTENSITY, THE USES, TRAFFIC ACCESS, ALL OF THESE POINTS, THE LAND USE.

AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AT THAT TIME WAS TO DEFER OUR APPLICATION, TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW US TO REVISE OUR APPLICATIONS, WHICH WE DID. WE WENT BACK TO PCA AT THE JUNE MEETING, AND HERE WE ARE TODAY.

OF COURSE. THAT WAS THE ONLY CONTINUANCE THAT WE REQUESTED.

AND OF COURSE, MY REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE TODAY WAS ROOTED IN A DESIRE TO ALLOW MY CLIENT TIME TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE HE WAS UNEXPECTEDLY CALLED AWAY FOR SOME EMERGENCY HE DID NOT SHARE WITH ME.

THE THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT ARCHITECTURE.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN THE SHEARWATER PUD, SO IT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE ASHFORD MILLS, PUD AND THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY.

HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY OWNER'S DESIRE TO EVENTUALLY DESIGN A PRODUCT THAT IS COMPLEMENTARY TO THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY AND NOT DETRIMENTAL NOT A LOWER ARCHITECTURAL ESTHETIC.

BUT I DID NOT HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS THAT I COULD SHARE WITH THEM.

I DID NOT HAVE ANY MATERIALS AT AT THIS TIME.

THAT WOULD COME LATER.

AND AS FAR AS TIMELINE OF CONSTRUCTION, YES.

THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SOME INQUIRIES OUT.

HE HAS BEEN TALKING WITH SOMEONE, BUT HE HAS BEEN TALKING WITH PEOPLE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS ABOUT POTENTIAL USES FOR THIS SITE.

HE IS NOT PLANNING ON BREAKING GROUND.

AND FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS UNTIL THE 210 CONSTRUCTION IN THIS AREA IS COMPLETE AT SOONEST.

BUT, YOU KNOW, HIS ULTIMATE TIMELINE PAST THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON THE PROPERTY.

IT HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT I HAVE BEEN A PART OF.

IT COULD JUST BE A GENERAL INQUIRY OUTSIDE OF MY WORK WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER.

AS FAR AS PARKING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, OUR SITE PLAN DOES SHOW THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING WITH THE MOST INTENSE USE IF IT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED WITH THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE WITH THE MAXIMUM USE TODAY.

SO WE ARE SHOWING THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM PARKING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF IT WERE TO START TODAY.

OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, THE PARKING CODE IS BASED ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES.

WHEN THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE SUBMITTED, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS, THEY COULD BE PROPOSED AS ONE STORY VERSUS TWO.

THAT IS NOT COME YET, BUT WE WERE REQUESTING A MAXIMUM AS OUTLINED IN THE LAND IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A MAXIMUM OF 12,000FT² PER ACRE. AND AS THAT ALIGNS WITH THE ADJOINING PUDS, THE TOWN CENTER PROJECT TO THE NORTH IS ENTITLED WITH A MAXIMUM OF ACTUALLY, LET ME STATE THIS CORRECTLY BECAUSE I DO HAVE IT HERE IN FRONT OF ME.

THE.

THE TOWN CENTER TO THE NORTH IS ENTITLED, CURRENTLY AT 10,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE PER PER ACRE.

THE SHERWOOD MILLS COMMUNITY OR THE ASHFORD MILLS PUD IS CURRENTLY ENTITLED AT 42,500FT² OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL PER ACRE FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE DENOTED FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THE COUNTY ROAD 210 WEST.

DAYCARE AND RETAIL PUD THAT WAS REFERENCED DOES HAVE A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 7000FT² PER ACRE WITH 11,000FT² OF THAT DEDICATED SOLELY TO THE DAYCARE THAT WAS BUILT.

SO THAT SITE HAS A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 21,000, BUT IT'S ALSO A SMALLER SITE.

AND JUST JUST ONE LAST POINT ABOUT THE PUD.

THE FACT THAT WE'RE REQUESTING A PUD VERSUS SOME CONVENTIONAL ZONING.

IT WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S INTENT, ORIGINAL INTENTION, TO COME IN WITH A CONVENTIONAL ZONING REQUEST.

BUT BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, ANY REDEVELOPMENT, ANY REZONING MUST BE DONE AS A PUD AT THIS CURRENT TIME AS THE WAY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS CURRENTLY OUTLINED.

SO THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE REQUESTING A PUD.

WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

AND I SINCE YOU DID NOT APPROVE OUR REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE, I WOULD ASK IF YOU DO DECIDE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL AS APPLICATION, THAT YOU ALLOW US TO POTENTIALLY WAIVE THE 12 MONTH TIME LIMIT AS OUTLINED IN ARTICLE 12 OR ARTICLE NINE.

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EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN.

COMMISSIONER LIMA. OH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I APPRECIATE IT, AUTUMN.

THANK YOU FOR THE FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TOOK AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE RESIDENTS FOR REACHING OUT THAT THAT I HAD MET WITH AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SENT EMAILS AND GOT THE PETITION SIGNED. REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING A PART OF THE PROCESS AND COMING OUT TODAY.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A BEEN A LONG DAY SO FAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RULED OBVIOUSLY SIX ZERO.

THEY EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY IN TRAFFIC.

AND SO I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS AND I'LL BE VOTING NO.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN EXPLANATION ON THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALAIMO.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE.

AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS EVER SINCE I TOOK THIS POSITION AS A COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO SO MUCH MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO CONSIDER. BREVARD VERSUS SNYDER IS SOMETHING THAT THAT BINDS OUR HANDS SOMETIMES, AND IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT WE MUST CONSIDER THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT ON PAGE SEVEN OF OUR STAFF REPORT IN THIS AGENDA PACKET AND PARAGRAPH NUMBER TWO, IT TALKS ABOUT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PER BREVARD VERSUS SNYDER AND GOES ON TO SAY GENERAL STATEMENTS OF LIKE OR DISLIKE OR THE SHEER NUMBER OF PERSONS IN A PETITION OR A POLL DO NOT BY THEMSELVES CONSTITUTE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

SO I ONLY SAY THAT BEFORE I MAKE MY NEXT COMMENTS.

JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT BY MRS. RYAN TO GET THE PETITION SIGNED.

BUT BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS BY LAW BASED ON WHO LIKES IT AND WHO DOESN'T LIKE IT, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE SUPPORT IT OR DON'T SUPPORT IT.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

I KNOW YOU DON'T SEE THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL YOU THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT, THEN THE COMMISSIONER SHOULD JUST DENY IT.

WELL, THE LAW SAYS THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.

WHAT WHAT I LIKE IS, IS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T JUST OPPOSE THE PROJECT YOU GAVE, I THINK, VERY GOOD REASONS FOR OPPOSING THE PROJECT.

THE INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF YOU DISCUSSED.

SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, I FORGET BY WHO? A GENTLEMAN CAME UP HERE WITH A MAP OF THE PROPOSED WIDENING PROJECT AND EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, WITH INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOME GOOD, COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

SO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT I CAN REALLY WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.

I THINK I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOT DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT BUT THE INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED USE AND THE INGRESS AND EGRESS SAFETY CONCERNS. AND FOR THOSE TWO REASONS AMONGST SOME OTHERS THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, I'LL BE VOTING NO.

SO THANK YOU FOR NOT JUST BEING IN OPPOSITION, BUT FOR THE WAY THAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED YOUR OPPOSITION.

IT HELPS ME OUT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? WELL, SEEING AS THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT I'M GOING TO BE MOVING TO DENY THIS PROJECT FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID AS WELL AS OTHERS.

AND I DO APPRECIATE, MISS MARTIN, AS YOU COMING FORWARD TODAY AND DOING THE PRESENTATION, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE.

SO MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO DENY COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

SMALL SCALE 2023 DASH 11 SHEARWATER 210 PUD BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES.

THEN THE SECOND MOTION.

MOTION TO DENY COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.

SMALL SCALE 2023 DASH 11 SHEARWATER 210 PUD.

ALSO BASED UPON FINDINGS OF FACT IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SECOND. OKAY, MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. OKAY.

AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

APPLAUSE. NO.

OKAY. AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR OUR 2050 VISION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, WHICH IS NOW, I BELIEVE THREE A.

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WHO'S HERE TO PRESENT THIS ITEM MIKE AND CHRIS.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR.

MIKE ROBERTSON, DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY TWO ITEMS, AND I'LL INTRODUCE THE CONSULTANT IN JUST A MINUTE.

BUT WE HAVE OUR 2050 VISION, WHICH MOST OF YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN PARTICIPATING IN.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR EAR UPDATE ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. THE EAR UPDATE IS THE ONE THAT WE WERE REQUESTING DIRECTION FROM.

OKAY. AND THEN THE THE 2050 WILL BE SIMPLY HERE'S SOME INFORMATION.

HERE'S HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO WITH THAT I'LL GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE CHRIS DOHERTY.

HE'S THE PRINCIPAL FOR INSPIRE, WHICH IS OUR CONSULTANT, AND HE'S GOT A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS FOR YOU.

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SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN.

IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

WE'RE GOING TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH A FEW SLIDES AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE 2050 VISION.

LET YOU KNOW KIND OF HOW WE'VE SYNTHESIZED ALL OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD TO THIS POINT AND THEN WHERE THAT'S GOING TO LEAD US IN THE NEXT PHASE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

REAL QUICK, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE SAME SLIDES THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE UPDATE THE OVERVIEW, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A DRAFT VISION.

AGAIN, THIS IS ALL YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A DRAFT AT THIS POINT.

AND THEN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO, TO CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IN CRAFTING THE STRATEGY FOR IMPLEMENTING THE VISION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AGAIN, IS IT'S THAT HIGH LEVEL DOCUMENT.

IT ADDRESSES GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S REQUIRED BY ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

IT'S ALSO REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED EVERY SEVEN YEARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN OUR NEXT ITEM.

SO HANG TIGHT. WE'LL GET INTO THE THE YEAR UPDATE IN A MOMENT.

BUT THIS IS THE THE CURRENT CONTENTS OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S MADE UP OF A SERIES OF ELEMENTS.

YOU'LL NOTICE AGAIN THAT J AT THE BOTTOM THERE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEW ELEMENT AS DIRECTED BY THE COUNTY.

WE'LL BE CRAFTING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT, WHICH IS IN CONCERT WITH THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT IS IN PROCESS.

SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THAT TEAM AND EXCITED TO HEAR THAT WE'VE GOT A NEW DIRECTOR ON THE WAY.

SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO TO TALK WITH THAT NEW PERSON AND HELP CRAFT THAT POLICY FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WHY ARE WE UPDATING IT? REALLY, THE KEY HERE WITH THE 2050 VISION IS TO UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRE AND VISION THAT EXISTS TODAY.

IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN MANY YEARS, SO IT'S TIME TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY'S VISION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE YEAR UPDATE, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR NEXT, DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY VISION FOR TODAY.

IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE TASK, SO WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

BUT AGAIN, WE DO HAVE TO UPDATE THE PLAN EVERY SEVEN YEARS, WHICH IS THAT YEAR UPDATE.

BUT REALLY WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY VISION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON FOR THE 2050 UPDATE.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE OUR PROJECT WEBSITE.

I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY THROUGH THAT AS WELL AS IN PERSON.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD CONTRIBUTIONS, SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE ACTIVITIES UP RIGHT NOW.

ONE OF WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW ACTIVITY COMING JUST BEFORE OUR OPEN HOUSE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BURY THE LEAD TOO MUCH, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

WE HAD 357 COMMENTS ON THE IDEA WALL, WHICH IS EXCELLENT.

THESE ARE THE WORDS COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE TAKING THAT INFORMATION AGAIN, SYNTHESIZING IT INTO THESE VISION THEMES OR VISION INITIATIVES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE OF MOMENTS.

WE HAVE GOT THE SURVEY 1200 SURVEYS, OVER 1200 TAKEN.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE RESPONSE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW ACTIVITY HERE COMING SOON SO FOLKS CAN CONTINUE TO ENGAGE IN IN THE VISIONING PROCESS LISTENING SESSIONS.

WE'VE HELD FIVE IN PERSON AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY ADDITIONAL WE'VE DONE.

PROBABLY 10 OR 15 YOU KNOW, FOLKS COULDN'T JOIN US IN PERSON.

SO WE ACCOMMODATED THEM AND SPOKE TO A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY GROUPS.

DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY AND SO ON.

IT REALLY, REALLY GOOD RESPONSE.

I PERSONALLY PROBABLY TALKED TO OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE.

I THINK I WAS AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS I WAS ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE CALLS FOR THE THE LISTENING SESSIONS, AS WELL AS THE, THE TECHNICAL FOCUS GROUPS, WHICH WE WE DRILLED DOWN THOSE ISSUES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY AND CREATED FIVE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

AND THOSE TOPICS INCLUDED TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, CONSERVATION, RURAL AND FARMLAND CONSERVATION.

SO BIG PICTURE TOPICS THAT AGAIN, FEED INTO THE VISION THAT WE'LL BE USING TO IMPLEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLAN UPDATE.

OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD SIX IN-PERSON COMMUNITY MEETINGS OVER TWO WEEKS, ONE WEEK IN FEBRUARY AND A WEEK IN MARCH.

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REALLY GREAT RESPONSE.

OVER 325 FOLKS PARTICIPATED IN PERSON.

SOME WERE MORE YOU KNOW MORE PARTICIPATION THAN OTHERS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

WE STILL HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

SO WE HAVE OUR FIRST OPEN HOUSE, WHICH IS NEXT WEEK, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE HERE.

THAT'S A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.

SO HERE ARE JUST SOME IMAGES OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS HAVE PARTICIPATED ON IN THE IN PERSON ENGAGEMENTS.

YOU NOTICE THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT FOLKS GOT TO ENGAGE WITH OUR PROJECT TEAM ON.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSES JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE WORKSHOP LOOK LIKE THIS.

SO AND THERE ARE NEW, YOU KNOW, NEW BOARDS AND EVERYTHING FOR EVERY COMMUNITY MEETING.

SO THE REALLY TREMENDOUS RESPONSE.

AND WHAT DID THAT LEAD TO.

SO AGAIN, WE HAD TO SYNTHESIZE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD.

AND YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED TO HEAR SOME OF THAT TODAY IN THIS ROOM, WHICH IS GREAT.

PEOPLE ARE LISTENING.

THEY'RE PARTICIPATING.

SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE VISION INITIATIVES.

AGAIN, THESE ARE THIS IS THIS DRAFT COMMUNITY VISION.

SO WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THAT.

SO THE FIRST ONE CONSERVE AND PROTECT OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND WILDLIFE HABITAT.

ENSURE RESIDENTS OF ALL INCOME LEVELS HAVE SAFE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.

DEVELOP A MORE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FRIENDLY TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

PROTECT AGRICULTURAL LANDS BY DIRECTING GROWTH TO AREAS ALREADY SERVED BY INFRASTRUCTURE.

PROTECT AND GROW THE COUNTY'S WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM.

PRESERVE RURAL AREAS AND CHARACTER.

MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE ROADWAYS.

EXPAND AND ENHANCE THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE SYSTEMS. RECOGNIZE, PROTECT AND ENHANCE HISTORIC RESOURCES.

IT PROBABLY SHOULD SAY HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES AND IMPROVE THE COUNTY'S PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

SO NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE A SURPRISE.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS ALREADY, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

OKAY. DRAFT VISION STATEMENT.

WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING TO YOU ALL FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THIS, BUT THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS JUST WE'VE SYNTHESIZED THIS THROUGH THE WORDS THAT WE'VE HEARD.

AND I'LL JUST I'LL SAY IT REAL QUICKLY.

IN THE YEAR 2050, COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE WILL LOOK AT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AS THE EMBODIMENT OF FLORIDA AT FIRST SIGHT BECAUSE OF ITS SUCCESSFUL BALANCING OF ITS CULTURAL, HISTORICAL, AND ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION PROGRAMS WITH ITS COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, EDUCATION, INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR CERTAINLY SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S JUST A DRAFT OKAY.

WE MENTIONED SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES FOR FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE IN.

WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE IN THIS FACILITY JULY 23RD NEXT WEEK.

OPEN HOUSE NUMBER ONE.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT STRATEGIES FOR IMPLEMENTING THOSE VISION INITIATIVES.

THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO WE'RE TAKING IT TO THE NEXT STEP OKAY.

WE'VE GOT OUR BIG IDEAS NOW.

WE'VE GOT OUR BIG IDEAS HOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO IMPLEMENT THOSE.

AND SOME OF THAT YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FUNDING TODAY WITH OUR BUDGET.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND SOME OF THESE THINGS, AS ARE SOME OF THE TOPICS WE'LL TALK ABOUT.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.

WE'LL HAVE A SECOND OPEN HOUSE.

SO THAT'S AGAIN, THIS WILL BE REFINING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE STRATEGY.

AND THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING INTERNALLY WITH STAFF.

SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT HAPPEN AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

SO THAT THAT'S THAT DATE IS STILL OUT THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL FOR ANOTHER UPDATE.

SO ONCE WE'VE FINALIZED THAT SAYS SEPTEMBER, WE MAY HAVE TO PUSH THAT ANOTHER MONTH, ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE THE END OF THE MONTH FOR THAT SECOND OPEN HOUSE. SO WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS FACILITY AGAIN FOR THAT SECOND OPEN HOUSE.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT LAST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER IS PROBABLY GOING TO WORK BEST.

AND OF COURSE, WE'LL COME BACK TO PGA AND GIVE THEM AN UPDATE AS WELL, JUST LIKE WE DID LAST WEEK.

AND WITH THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. DOUGHERTY.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. I THINK IT'S IT'S FULL SPEED AHEAD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPEN HOUSE NEXT WEEK.

THANK YOU. AND WE'LL BE HERE FOR THE NEXT ITEM AS WELL.

SOUNDS GOOD. SO MOVING ON TO OUR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

OH THERE'S A PRESENTATION ITEM ONLY.

I GO AHEAD.

OKAY. CHRIS DOHERTY WITH INSPIRE PLACEMAKING COLLECTIVE.

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THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL.

WE CALL IT THE EAR.

THAT HARKENS BACK TO BEFORE THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT, WHICH HAPPENED IN 2011.

WE USED TO HAVE TO DRAFT THESE LONG REPORTS.

IF THERE ARE FOLKS AROUND THAT PARTICIPATED IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

BACK THEN, WE DID THIS FULL ASSESSMENT.

USUALLY THERE WERE ABOUT 200 PAGE DOCUMENTS WHERE WE TOLD, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY, HEY, WE DIDN'T MEET THIS POLICY OR WE DID A GOOD JOB HERE.

AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT GOT RID OF THAT REQUIREMENT.

NOW THERE IS SOME SUBTLE CHANGES RECENTLY.

I'M GOING TO SKIP THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS HERE.

OKAY. LAST YEAR WE'VE WE HAD A CHANGE IN STATUTES IN 163 3191 THAT NOW REQUIRES EVERY COMMUNITY NOT ONLY TO SUBMIT A LETTER DURING THE YEAR PROCESS AND TELLING THE STATE WHAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEN YEAR HORIZON.

SO THE PLAN HAS TO ADDRESS TEN YEARS AT A MINIMUM.

THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TODAY.

THIS IS NOT THE VISION PLAN.

THIS IS SIMPLY TO ADDRESS STATE REQUIREMENTS, STATE STATUTES, TO CHECK THE BOX WITH THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING REQUIREMENTS. IF WE DO DECIDE TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES AS PART OF THE YEAR, YOU ONLY GET 12 MONTHS TO UPDATE YOUR ENTIRE PLAN.

THAT SIMPLY IS NOT ENOUGH TIME.

TYPICALLY, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME BIG TOPIC AREAS THAT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO IRON OUT.

SO WE'RE DOING THIS TO CREATE SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT ALSO TO KEEP THE STATE OUT OF YOUR REVIEW OF YOUR 2050 VISION.

THAT IS PRIMARILY THE PURPOSE OF TAKING CARE OF THIS.

NOW. YOUR DUE DATE IS AUGUST 1ST FOR THE LETTER YOU PREPARE THE LETTER AUGUST 1ST.

THE PLAN MEETS THAT TEN YEAR MINIMUM.

THE CHAIR SAYS YES, IT MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT, AND THAT'S THE LETTER THAT'S SUBMITTED TO THE STATE.

AND YOU'VE MET YOUR YEAR REQUIREMENTS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN A NUTSHELL.

BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THE MATERIALS THAT THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU HERE.

OKAY. AS WE MENTIONED, EVERY SEVEN YEARS, EVERY COMMUNITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS REQUIRED TO EVALUATE THEIR PLAN.

TYPICALLY YOU'RE EVALUATING THE STATUTES AND WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE STATUTES.

AND THERE ARE ALMOST 2 TO 3 CHANGES JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR.

IN THE CASE OF 2011, THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES.

THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT KIND OF FLIPPED GROWTH MANAGEMENT ON ITS HEAD.

SO THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CHANGES.

AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO BACK.

AND EVEN IF YOU WERE FOUND IN COMPLIANCE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE 2011 COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT, SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY MISSED THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, FIXING.

AND WE FIND THAT A LOT IN MANY COMMUNITIES.

SO AGAIN, UPDATING THE HORIZON TO 2035 TO MEET THAT MINIMUM TEN YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS SCHEDULE.

YOU'VE SEEN THIS SEVERAL TIMES.

SO REALLY THE KEY HERE IS WE'VE GOT OUR PCA HEARING THAT WE JUST HAD LAST WEEK.

YOUR TRANSMITTAL HEARING TODAY WILL HAVE EXPEDITED REVIEW FOR THESE AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS 30 DAYS.

WE'LL GET THAT BACK AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH ADOPTION.

NOW I KNOW THIS SLIDE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.

WE GO BACK TO PCA FOR THAT ADOPTION HEARING AND THEN THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR YOU ALL.

AND THAT'S TENTATIVELY SEPTEMBER.

MAYBE MAYBE LATER AGAIN DEPENDS ON COMMENTS.

IF WE DO GET ANY COMMENTS FROM THE STATE, WHICH WE PROBABLY WON'T.

OKAY, SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU? WE'VE REVISED A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REFERENCES.

SO AS THE STATUTES CHANGE, SO DO THE THE THE NUMBERS AND THE SECTION REFERENCES THAT WE UPDATE THOSE.

WE DID UPDATE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

NOW, THERE WEREN'T ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL COLORS ON THE MAP.

WE CHANGED THE TITLE, SO THE TITLE NOW GOES OUT TO 2035.

SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY CHANGING THE HORIZON YEAR ON YOUR MAP.

WE DO HAVE A SERIES OF MAPS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE THE MEMO ITSELF.

THOSE ARE MERELY SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION AS PART OF THE DATA ANALYSIS OF THE THE YEAR AMENDMENTS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE STATUTES.

SO WE HAVE A MATRIX THAT WE GO THROUGH AND GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN MADE.

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GOING BACK TO, I THINK IN THIS CASE 2010, AND LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE POLICY IN THE PLAN TO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

OKAY. SO I MENTIONED THE HORIZON YEARS.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THE STRIKETHROUGH AN UNDERLYING CHANGES YOU'RE GOING TO SEE YOU KNOW CHANGING IT FROM 2025 TO 2035.

MAKING SURE THE THE NAME OF THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW CHANGING DEPARTMENT NAMES AGAIN, CHANGING FLORIDA STATUTE.

REFERENCES FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REFERENCES AS WELL.

THOSE THINGS CHANGE QUITE A BIT THROUGHOUT TIME HERE.

SO AS I MENTIONED, WE DID UPDATE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND REALLY ITS TITLE ONLY.

NO CHANGES TO ANY FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AT THIS TIME, ALTHOUGH WE ARE TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT THAT AS PART OF THE VISIONING.

SO THAT SO STAY TUNED FOR THAT.

WE DID WORK WITH STAFF ON THE TRANSPORTATION LEVEL SERVICE.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE PROVIDED.

I DO WANT TO MENTION WE HAD SEVERAL COMMENTS FROM PGA.

A NUMBER OF THOSE WERE ADDRESSED IN THE ERE MEMO.

SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME STRIKETHROUGH AND UNDERLINED IN THE RED LINE.

COPY. AND REALLY IT WAS TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT THE BOARD MADE.

NOW WE WE HAD SOME CHANGES TO THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS.

SO WE RUN THIS CARRYING CAPACITY OF YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO SEE HOW MANY RESIDENTS CAN BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TODAY.

AND THAT INCLUDES SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF HARD INPUTS INTO YOUR TABLE AND SOME OF THOSE NEEDED TO BE CHANGED.

THEY WEREN'T QUITE UP TO DATE.

SO WE HAD SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT OUR HEARING LAST WEEK, AND WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT TO REFLECT THOSE INCONSISTENCIES ON WHAT WE HAD IN THE DATA BEFORE.

AND IT ALSO MADE SOME EDITORIAL CHANGES BASED ON, AGAIN, SOME SOME CLARIFICATION LANGUAGE, NOTHING SIGNIFICANT.

THERE WERE A COUPLE CHANGES TO THE THE EAR AMENDMENTS, THE THE ACTUAL GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED POLICY THAT WAS STRUCK.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS INADVERTENT THAT WE PULLED BACK ON THAT.

SO IT'S IT'S IT'S BACK IN THE THE PLAN.

AND THERE WAS A NOTE IN THERE AS WELL THAT WAS FOR STAFF THAT WAS REMOVED AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT OCCURRED SINCE PGA OKAY OKAY.

SO WHAT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE HERE IN THE STATUTE CHANGES? WE HAVE SOME PREEMPTIONS TO DEAL WITH WHICH COME THROUGH QUITE A BIT.

SO THERE'S A PREEMPTIONS ON ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS AS WELL AS SOLAR FACILITIES.

NOW THE SOLAR FACILITIES ISN'T QUITE A NEW THING, BUT WE DO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT IN THE AGRICULTURAL LAND USE CATEGORIES AS WELL AS FLOATING SOLAR. I DON'T KNOW WHY EXACTLY THE THE PREEMPTION ON FLOATING SOLAR, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE HAS NOW REQUIRED.

THERE'S ALSO A PREEMPTION ON DESIGN STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL.

NOW, IT DEPENDS ON IF MAYBE THERE WERE ALREADY IN A PUD OR IF THERE'S A DESIGN BOARD ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO THOSE ARE EXEMPT.

BUT IF YOU'RE CREATING STANDARDS, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE.

AND THEN LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, SOME MINOR TWEAKS ON TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY.

ALL RIGHTY. SO I DID TALK ABOUT THE SCHEDULE ALREADY AND DISCUSSED WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS.

AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THIS IS THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING.

SO WE DO NEED ACTION FROM THE BOARD ON THE ERE AMENDMENTS.

AND WE WILL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH A LETTER FOR THE AUGUST 1ST DUE DATE FOR THE FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ASKING THE THE CHAIR TO TO NOTIFY THE STATE THAT WE ARE NOW UP TO DATE.

WE MEET THE TEN YEAR HORIZON.

OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

HI. COULD WE GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE? THANK YOU. CHRIS. SURE.

OKAY, GO.

TWO MORE. ONE MORE.

RIGHT HERE. SO IS IT TRUE THAT AUGUST 1ST WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO SEND A LETTER? WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SEND THIS WHOLE PACKET THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE UPDATE.

SINCE THE UPDATE.

PIECES OF PAPER STUCK TO THE BACK.

IT JUST IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, I THINK, IN MY OPINION.

I WATCHED THE PGA, WHICH WAS KIND OF A TRAIN WRECK ALSO.

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IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU JUST SEND THE LETTER TO SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE, IT SAYS CLEAN UP BASED ON STATUTES AND EXTEND THE HORIZON OF THE PLAN.

AND THAT STATE WILL HAVE MORE SAY IN THE PLAN.

YOU HAVE A YEAR TO DO THAT.

SO WHAT'S THE RUSH? WE JUST GIVE THEM A LETTER AND THEN WE WORK ON ON IT.

I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE RUSHING.

AND THEN THE THE 2050 WHO DECIDED THAT? SURE. SO AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.

SO THAT I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN REVERSE.

THE 2050.

SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK TO THE, THE CLIENT, SAY, HEY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON AT THIS POINT.

WHAT MAKES SENSE? DO WE DO WE STICK TO JUST A 20 YEAR, OR ARE WE GOING TO STICK TO A 25 YEAR HORIZON IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THE LRP IS UPDATING THEIR PLAN.

SO THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS BEING UPDATED TO 2050.

WE TYPICALLY ALIGN WITH THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE TWO VERY IMPORTANT PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT SHOULD BE ALIGNED.

AND IT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW THAT YOU'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO DRAW THAT CONNECTION.

AND WE'RE KIND OF MOVING IN THE SAME DIRECTION TOGETHER.

YOU JUST DECIDE THAT OR WHO DECIDED THAT THAT WAS A COLLECTIVE DECISION, YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF AND.

WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT MORE EXTRA MONEY.

GOD KNOWS IF AT 2035, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A MASS OF HURRICANE, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE MOVING IN LIKE YOUR STATISTICS SAY WITH POPULATION, THAT IT'S GOING TO GROW 11,000 A YEAR.

WHEN IT RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY 5000.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH DISCREPANCY.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD GO BEYOND THE, THE 20 OR THE TEN YEAR PLUS.

IT COSTS US MORE MONEY. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING IT, BUT YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT THE LETTER.

SURE. AND MAKING THIS MORE PROFESSIONAL WITH ALL THESE CHANGES.

RED LINES, EXTRA PIECES HERE AND A RED FOLDER HERE, IT'S LIKE, SORRY.

SURE. SO THE PURPOSE OF AGAIN, TAKING CARE OF THIS BEFORE THE LETTER IS DUE IS TO.

SO IF YOU DO SUBMIT YOUR LETTER AND SAY YOU HAVE CHANGES, RIGHT? IF YOU SAY WE DO NEED TO EXTEND OUR HORIZON OR WE NEED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES BASED ON STATUTES, YOU GET 12 MONTHS, RIGHT? YOU MENTIONED THAT.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO GO THROUGH STATE COORDINATOR REVIEW.

AND THAT'S A 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD.

AND THEY CAN ISSUE AN ORC REPORT WHICH IS AN OBJECTIONS RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMMENTS REPORT, WHICH BY AND LARGE HASN'T REALLY OCCURRED MUCH ANYMORE BECAUSE MOST AMENDMENTS ARE EXPEDITED REVIEW.

I WILL SAY THAT IT'S A BIT IT'S A LOT MORE ONEROUS ON MOST COMMUNITIES.

I WORKED WITH A COMMUNITY NOT TOO LONG AGO WHO ENDED UP WITH AN 18 PAGE ORC.

WASN'T BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HADN'T TAKEN CARE OF THINGS IN THE PAST AND THEY CAUGHT UP TO THEM.

SO I JUST WE WE RECOMMEND NOT ALLOWING THE STATE TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY'S VISION, WHICH IS WHY WE TAKE CARE OF THE 2035, THAT HORIZON YEAR, GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF, BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S MOSTLY ADMINISTRATIVE.

WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING STATUTE CHANGES AND EXTENDING YOUR HORIZON BY TEN YEARS.

BUT IT JUST IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE RUSHING IN AND WE'RE NOT BEING VERY PROFESSIONAL.

ALSO I NOTICED THE MAP FOR THE 2035, THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARIES.

NOT ON IT. THE FLUM FOR YOUR 2035.

THAT IS THE SAME MAP WE HAVE.

THAT'S THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT THE COUNTY HAS.

OKAY. AND THEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATING ALL THE NEW LAWS.

I DIDN'T SEE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IN THERE.

RIGHT. SO THE LIVE LOCAL ACT DOESN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE REALLY IT DOES IF YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PIECE OR A COMMERCIAL PIECE. RIGHT.

NOT NOT IN THE POLICIES.

NO. WELL, THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN COME IN AND JUST BUILD ON THOSE.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS WEIRD.

I JUST, I JUST IF I WERE, LIKE, MAKING A MOTION TODAY, I WOULD JUST SEND THE LETTER AND THEN TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS PROPERLY.

THE REST OF IT.

AND WITH AN INVENTORY THAT WE HAVE OF ALMOST 50,000 TO 60,000 HOMES, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BUILDERS SAY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ENOUGH BUILD OUT FOR 2035.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE HAVE THE PLAN AT ALL, JUST TO CHANGE ALL THE LITTLE RULES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT SINCE NOW, AND THEN JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S ANY MORE PLANNING THAN THAT.

AND TO BE CLEAR, IF, IF, IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T DECIDE TO DO THIS, LET'S SAY THEY DON'T DO THE LETTER.

THE STATE IS NOW I'M SAYING DO THE LETTER, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT WHAT? BUT THE OTHER CHANGE THAT I DIDN'T MENTION IN 3191 IS THE STATE IS FORCING A PROJECTION, A POPULATION PROJECTION ON THAT COMMUNITY WITHOUT YOUR WITHOUT DISCUSSION.

SO. AND THEY SAID, WE NEED 50,000 HOMES.

WELL, WE'RE ALREADY THERE.

SO WHAT'S THE POINT AND WHY ARE WE PLANNING? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY, BUT I THINK YOU'RE A NICE GUY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JOSEPH. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, NOW I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON, 2070 REEF DRIVE.

AFTER GOING TO THE MEETINGS, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN LOOKING IT UP, AND IT'S BASICALLY SAID IN THE STATE THAT YOU'LL TAKE PUBLIC INPUT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT.

THESE ARE ALL SMOKE SCREENS WE'VE GOT.

THE COMP PLAN IS RIGHT HERE.

I PRINTED IT OUT AFTER THE FIRST MEETING.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS LIKE OUR ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE SURVEY THAT WE JUST DID.

WHY ISN'T THAT MAP ON TOP OF THE COMP PLAN? WHY ISN'T ALL THESE LIKE 24 PAGES OF GOOD OLD BOY? LET'S GET OUR PROJECTS IN PRIOR TO THE NEW TOWN CENTER CONCEPT.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO HAVE 2500 ACRES FOR THE NEW TOWN, OR 1000 FOR THE VILLAGE.

WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO LITTLE MOM AND POP AND ORDINARY PEOPLE? THAT IS MY PROBLEM WITH THIS PLAN, AND THIS IS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOVE EVERYTHING IN AND GET IT REAL QUICK DONE.

AND WHAT IT IS, IS STATE OVERREACH ON OUR ZONING.

IT'S TAKING YOUR RIGHTS.

I MEAN, YOUR AUTHORITIES AWAY.

IT'S DRAFTED ALREADY.

WHAT WERE THEY DOING? 20. 20? WELL, WE WERE ALL IN FEAR OF CATCHING SOME BUG.

LORD. OH MY GOD.

YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS, THIS IS A FARCE.

TELL THE PEOPLE WHAT IS GOING ON.

LET'S SEE SOME REAL MAPS HERE.

YOU KNOW IT.

IT'S A JOKE.

IT IS A SMOKE SCREEN.

YOU'RE NOT LETTING PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THIS IS WHY THE GOOD OLD BOYS AND DEEP STATE ARE FIGHTING FOR THIS SEAT SO BADLY.

I AGREE, ED SLAVIN, BOX 304.

I THINK JUSTICE THE LATE JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA WOULD HAVE USED THE TERM ARGLE BARGLE A R G L E HYPHEN ARGLE BARGLE FOR THE KIND OF MALARKEY WE JUST HEARD FROM THE CONSULTANT AND FROM THE STAFF.

THERE'S NO RUSH.

THE ONLY RUSH IS THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY.

THEY ACTUALLY USED THE PHRASE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY.

ISN'T THAT WARM AND FUZZY? IT MEANS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ARTISTS AND DESTROYING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE A COMMUNITY WELL UNDER ANTITRUST LAW.

I DO THINK THEY CONSTITUTE A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST, AND WE OUGHT TO REFER THEIR ACTIVITIES TO THE ANTITRUST DIVISION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS ALREADY INVENTING.

AND SORRY, THEY ARE INVESTIGATING THE APARTMENT OWNERS WHO ARE USING ALGORITHMS TO RIP OFF TENANTS.

AND AS MUCH AS WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE, Y'ALL HAVE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WHEN I'VE RAISED THAT ISSUE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT ALGORITHMS LIKE GROWN UPS? BUT THREE OF THE FIVE OF Y'ALL WHO ARE PRO-DEVELOPER ARE UP FOR REELECTION.

SO IN RESPONSE TO MY FRIEND, COMMISSIONER KRISTA KEATING, JOSEPH'S QUESTION, THAT'S THE RUSH.

THE RUSH IS THE DATE OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

THEY WANT THIS OVER AND DONE AND SEALED AND DELIVERED BEFORE ANY OF THEM GET BOOTED OUT OF OFFICE.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO DELAY THIS ENTIRE PROCESS UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT THREE COMMISSIONERS, WHOEVER THEY MIGHT BE, ARE SWORN INTO OFFICE AND TAKE OFFICE AND GET

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ORIENTATION. SO LET'S LET'S JUST SHOOT FOR A JANUARY 20TH NEXT YEAR.

WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE BEFORE THE PRIMARY ELECTION? IT'S VERY POLITICAL.

THE LOBBYISTS CONTROL.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF Y'ALL LIST ANY OF THE LOBBYISTS THAT YOU'VE MET WITH ON THIS.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF Y'ALL LIST ANY OF THE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE EAR AND THE COMP PLAN.

COULD WE PLEASE HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO TALKED TO YOU PRIVATELY, EX PARTE, AND YES, I AM USING THE TERM EX PARTE CORRECTLY.

COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU CORRECTED ME BEFORE.

NO, NO YOU HAVEN'T. YOU HAVE A STATE OF FLORIDA IF YOU EX PARTE BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY LOOK IT UP.

IF YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S EX PARTE BY DEFINITION, I DON'T NEED A LECTURE.

BUT I DO NEED CANDOR.

AND I WOULD REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS TRAVIS JAMES HUDSON, THINK ABOUT THE YEAR OUR STATE SENATOR, DEVELOPER TRAVIS HUDSON, WHOSE PROJECT YOU ALL APPROVED WITH 6000 ACRES OF CLEAR CUTTING.

IT'S A SIN, A CRIME AND A TORT.

AND I AGREE WITH THE LAST SPEAKER.

THIS IS A FARCE.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A FARCE.

YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.

I THINK THE REST OF US ARE, TOO.

JUSTIN DUDLEY 12724 GREEN BAY PARKWAY.

I'M SPEAKING TODAY TO RAISE CONCERNS RELATED TO THE ANALYSIS IN THE MEMORANDUM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S A CONCERN THAT SHOULD BE SHARED BY THIS BOARD AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. THE REPORT STATES ITS PURPOSE IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS SUCCESSFULLY ACCOUNTED FOR POPULATION GROWTH WITHIN ITS UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND TO PERFORM THE ANALYSIS, THE COUNTY UTILIZED A FOUR STEP PROCESS IN WHICH STEP FOUR WAS TO CALCULATE THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF LEFTOVER VACANT LAND SHOWN IN TABLE TWO. I WAS EXCITED TO READ THIS, AS LEFTOVER VACANT LAND HAS BEEN AT THE HEART OF MANY DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO RECENT LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGES.

HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM TABLE TWO, LEFTOVER VACANT LAND HAS BEEN OMITTED FROM THE CALCULATION.

IT'S LISTED AS N A TO DETERMINE OUR CARRYING CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH.

THUS, WE ARE CONTINUING TO SHOW 60,000 APPROVED, UNBUILT UNITS WITHIN THIS COUNTY.

AND NOW WE'RE ABOUT TO PERPETUATE THAT NARRATIVE TO THE STATE.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH CABALLOS DEL MAR, THIS IS PLAYERS CLUB AT SAWGRASS AND MARSH LANDING.

AND ACCORDING TO THIS REPORT, THERE'S ANOTHER 4400 HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT THERE TO ACCOMMODATE POPULATION GROWTH.

THAT IS, IF YOU IGNORE LEFTOVER VACANT LAND.

I BELIEVE EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH NOCATEE.

AND AGAIN, THIS REPORT SUGGESTS THAT THERE'S ANOTHER 3000 HOMES TO BE BUILT IN NOCATEE.

BUT IN FEBRUARY THIS YEAR, THE LAST REMAINING LOTS WERE CONTRACTED AND THE ACTUAL TOTAL IS CLOSER TO A 10TH OF THIS NUMBER.

THE SAINT JOHN'S DRY IS THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, AND AGAIN, THIS NUMBER OF 2021 IS OVERINFLATED MORE THAN 4 OR 5 TIMES ACTUAL IF YOU CONSIDER LEFTOVER VACANT LAND.

I COULD CARRY ON WITH EXAMPLES.

THE COUNTY DOES PUBLISH THE REMAINING RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND IN FACT THIS REPORT COMES FROM THE COUNTY LAST YEAR, AND IT SUGGESTS THAT OUR MEMO IS OVERSTATING CAPACITY.

YOU'LL SEE THE SAME 4423 LOTS IN CABALLOS DEL MAR, THE SAME 3046 LOTS IN NOCATEE UD.

YOU'LL SEE THE SAME 2355 LOTS IN RIVERTOWN 2021 LOTS IN THE SAINT JOHN'S DRY, AND THE SAME EXACT NUMBER 13,009 22 FROM SILVERLEAF, THIS BEING FROM SEPTEMBER BY THE COUNTY OF LAST YEAR.

IN ADDITION, THE COUNTY LIST CONTINUES TO COUNT COMPLETED AND EXPIRED PROJECTS WITHIN THEIR CAPACITY COUNTS.

SO WHY DO I SAY THE BOARD SHOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE CONTINUE TO COUNT ENTITLED LOTS ON PAPER WITHOUT CONSIDERING REMAINING VACANT LAND, WE WILL BE LIKE THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T KNOW THEIR BANK ACCOUNT IS EMPTY BECAUSE THEY ARE COUNTING THE CHECKS IN THEIR CHECKBOOK.

WHY DO I SAY CITIZENS SHOULD BE CONCERNED? BECAUSE IF WE OVERSTATE OUR CARRYING CAPACITY TODAY, WE WILL BE AT RISK FOR UNDER PLANNING OUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE THAT WILL LEAD TO SPORADIC AND REACTIONARY GROWTH RATHER THAN SMART GROWTH.

TO FURTHER SUPPORT WITH MR. DUDLEY JUST TALKED ABOUT THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION HIRED A COMPANY CALLED ZONDA.

GOOD AFTERNOON CHRIS.

SHE 6490 NASSAU STREET.

AND ZONDA IS THE LEADING ECONOMIST FOR THE HOUSING MARKET NATIONWIDE AND NAFTA PAID FOR THIS REPORT TO BE DONE SO THAT IT WOULD AUDIT THE DATABASE OF ENTITLED LOTS, NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD AND STATE THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY COMPLETED AND DO NOT HAVE THE AVAILABLE LAND FOR THE UNTITLED LOTS

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THAT IT SHOWS EXPIRED PUDS BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, IF A IF A PUD IS EXPIRED, WE THEN HAVE TO BRING IT FORTH AS A MAJOR MODIFICATION IN ORDER TO USE THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT HAVE EXPIRED.

SO IN CONCLUSION, AND I WILL TURN THIS REPORT IN FOR PUBLIC RECORD.

BUT IN CONCLUSION, ZONDA CONCLUDED THAT SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY DATABASE OVERSTATES A FUTURE LOT.

INVENTORY OF FOR SALE HOUSING BY 19,235 LOTS AT THIS TIME, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER OF 2021, THE COUNTY WAS STATING 56,700 AND TITLED LOTS, SO IF WE REDUCE IT BY THE 19 TO 35, YOU GET A LITTLE OVER 37,000.

BUT IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT DURING THAT TIME UNTIL NOW, 14,000 MORE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

THERE IS A HUGE LACK OF SUPPLY OF ENTITLEMENTS, AND IT'S OKAY FOR US TO DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT THE COMP PLAN NEEDS TO CHANGE, BUT WE NEED TO DEBATE BASED ON FACTUAL DATA, AND THE 60,000 LOT NUMBER THAT CONTINUES TO BE USED IS JUST ERRONEOUS AND INACCURATE.

ANOTHER REPORT WAS DONE SHORTLY AFTER WE COMMISSIONED ZONDA TO DO A REPORT, AND THIS ONE WAS DONE BY ENGLAND, THAMES AND MILLER, AND IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THE SAME THING.

AND THAT THE COUNTY WAS SHOWING 59,620 ENTITLED LOTS.

THE PROBABLE YIELD IS 45,000, BUT THE PROBABLE YIELD FOR SINGLE FAMILY IS A LITTLE OVER 30,000.

AND AGAIN SINCE THEN WE HAVE PULLED OVER 10,000 PERMITS.

SO THE REAL NUMBER OF ENTITLED LOTS PROBABLY STARTS WITH A TWO, AND DEFINITELY NOT WITH A 5 OR 6.

AND I DO FIRMLY BELIEVE IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE COMPREHENSIVELY PLAN FOR WHAT THE FUTURE OF SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY IS GOING TO BE.

AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IF WE JUST STRIKE THE 2025 AND PUT 2035, WE'RE DOING A HUGE DISSERVICE TO THE FOLKS THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WORK HERE.

AND THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING AND UPSETTING.

SO ANYHOW, I'M GOING TO TURN THESE IN.

THANK YOU ALL.

J STREET, 1700 WEST FAWCETT ROAD.

I WANT TO KIND OF ADD ON TO WHAT THEY'VE SAID.

I WE'RE WE'RE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT ON 207 AND HAVE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE DENIALS.

ON ON PROPERTY THERE AND I THINK THAT THE COUNTY THE DATA ISSUE I'VE BEEN THROUGH MYSELF.

I ENDED UP IN A LAWSUIT A 15 YEARS AGO OVER DATA THAT WAS WAS REALLY POORLY DONE IN YOUR TAX, YOUR TRANSPORTATION ASSESSMENT SHEET WITH GHOST TRIPS, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AVAILABLE LAND VERSUS ENTITLEMENTS.

SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THE COMP PLAN UPDATE FOR 2035 BASED ON A MAP FOR 2025, AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT WHEN THE LAST TIME THAT MAP WAS ACTUALLY UPDATED, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE 2010 TO 2015 TO SUBMIT A PLAN FOR 2035 WITH A MAP THAT WAS DONE IN 2015, I THINK LACKS VISION.

MAYBE IT'S TO PATCH AND COVER ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS.

THE CONCERN, THE BIG CONCERN I HAVE IS DOES IT GET PATCHED AND THEN NOTHING GETS DONE, AND THEN EVERYTHING'S GOOD UNTIL 2034.

I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD, IS, ARE WE GOING TO JUST PUSH THE 2015 PLAN TO 2035 AND LEAVE IT? I THINK THAT IS A DISSERVICE.

MY BIG CONCERN IS IS PLANNING GOING FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT MAP IS NOT WELL DONE.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE RESIDENTS COMPLAINING AND YOU HAVE DEVELOPERS SAYING THE DATA IS BAD.

BOTH SIDES HAVE HAVE VALID POINTS.

IN MY IN MY OPINION, WHEN I DRIVE HERE INTO THIS COMMUNITY, I'M FROM WINTER PARK, FLORIDA.

WE HAVE OUR ISSUES TO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING.

BUT YOU DRIVE IN, YOU'VE GOT 95 WITH NODES AND THEN EVERYTHING COMING IN IS A MISH MASH ON ALL OF YOUR 206, 207, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE ROADS COMING IN, AND THEN IT GETS VERY CONGESTED TOWARDS THE COAST, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE.

BUT GET THE DATA RIGHT, AT LEAST WHETHER IT'S THE TRANSPORTATION ASSESSMENT SHEET, LIKE SOMEONE SAID, THEIR ROAD WAS 122%.

HOW MANY GHOST TRIPS ARE ON THE ROAD? HOW MANY ARE BEING COUNTED? YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.

HOW MANY? HOW MANY FAKE TRIPS ARE BEING COUNTED ON YOUR TRANSPORTATION ASSESSMENT SHEET? THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS SIGNIFICANT IN SOME CASES OVER 50%.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

IT'S A IT'S A BIG ISSUE, BUT I PROMISE YOU GOING FORWARD, I'M FROM FLORIDA TOO.

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YOU REALLY GOT TO LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN AND USE IT AS A TOOL.

DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A AS A REQUIREMENT FROM THE STATE.

LOOK AT IT AS A TOOL TO SAY, HEY, WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE IN 2035? YOU DON'T JUST WANT TO BE WITH YOUR 2015 MAP.

I PROMISE YOU THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE.

CHARLEY HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES.

YEAH, IT IS A GOOD SENSE TO SEE WHERE THIS COUNTY WILL BE IN 2035.

OKAY GRANTED THAT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED TO GET BUILT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, IT WILL HAPPEN, BUT WHERE WHERE WHERE IS THIS COUNTY GOING TO BE? IS IT MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND DO THESE OVERLY DEVELOPED UNITS THAT WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS BAD, THE SCHOOLS ARE TOO CROWDED AND THE SCHOOL BUSSES CAN'T GET AROUND.

THERE'S THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.

BUT. BUT I FIND IT KIND OF INTERESTING TO HEAR A BIG DEVELOPER COME UP AND TELL YOU ALL THE SAME THING.

OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT THAT SAYS IN LAYMAN'S TERM IF THE MONEY GOES INTO I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH OFF AUSTRALIA.

BUT YES, WHEN THEY COME UP AND SPEAK, IT'S LIKE, NEVER MIND ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM, OKAY? THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

WE KNOW OUR JOB.

AND WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT OUR JOB IS AND YOU WILL CAN CONCEIVE INTO OUR JOB.

SO WE WILL MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AT THIS LEVEL.

THAT'S A GOOD INDICATION RIGHT THERE.

ALL RIGHT. AND ALL WE GOT TO DO IS JUST TRACK THE POLITICAL DONATIONS AND HOW MUCH THAT DEVELOPER HAS PUT IN.

ALL RIGHT. OH, YEAH.

YEAH. MIGHT AS WELL SIT UP THERE AND TAKE IT, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THAT IN THAT STATE, THEN THAT'S FINE.

ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, 15, $25,000 DROPPED IN EACH BUCKET.

HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

AND I DON'T THINK, I WONDER IF ANY OF THESE HIGH END PEOPLE, THESE BIG DEVELOPER COMPANY CORPORATIONS WERE THERE STICKING A FREAKING LITTLE ORANGE STICKIES ON POSTERS.

OKAY. I WONDER THAT.

ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE WE THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO BREAK IT DOWN TO THE POPULATED AREA.

WE WANT TO BRING IT DOWN TO THEM, AND SO THEY CAN PUT STICKY ORANGE TAGS ON THE POSTERS AND WRITE LITTLE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

BUT WHEN THE WHEN IT COMES, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WHEN THE MONEY HITS THE BANK, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY.

YES IT IS.

IT IS STRICTLY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

YOU KNOW IT MORE THAN I.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE.

PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY THOUGHTS.

WE'VE GOT A LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THAT PUBLIC COMMENT, A LOT OF CONCERNS ADDRESSED.

SO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THROUGH THE CHAIR TO TO ADMINISTRATION I'VE.

I'M WONDERING IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRESENTED A REPORT ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT EXIST ON ON AVAILABLE LAND, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WAS ENTITLED.

I JUST WANT TO HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER.

WHAT CAN WE DO TO FILTER THROUGH WHAT WAS PRESENTED VERSUS WHAT WE KNOW TO BE ENTITLEMENTS, TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AN ACCURATE NUMBER AS WE'RE DOING OUR FUTURE PLANNING? ABSOLUTELY. ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST HAVING A SIDEBAR WITH MR. ROBERTSON. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE TWO REPORTS AND UPDATES.

SO MIKE CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK MORE TO MAYBE THE PLANS THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU GUYS.

MIKE ROBERTSON.

SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.

THE FIRST IS SOME OF THE DATA THAT WAS IN THERE THAT IS WHAT WAS BUILT.

AND THERE WAS WE USED DATA THAT WAS FROM SEPTEMBER.

SO WE DID UPDATE THAT.

AND THAT WAS MENTIONED BY, I THINK, NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS AS WELL, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

SO THAT IS UPDATED. THAT WAS PART OF YOUR RED LINE THAT'S IN THERE.

TO THE OTHER POINT THAT WAS MENTIONED.

I THINK YOU JUST MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IS ABOUT HOW YOU DETERMINE THE, I GUESS, THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF A DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.

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SO YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IT'S ENTITLED TO A THOUSAND LOTS.

BUT I THINK THEIR THEIR ARGUMENT IS, LOOK, THAT WE'VE HAVE 800 UNITS THAT ARE BUILT ON THIS AND IT CAN BE BUILT NO FURTHER.

SO THE COUNTY LOOKS AT AND I SEE THEIR POINT.

I'M NOT ARGUING THAT POINT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT LEGALLY WE HAVE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS.

AND WE CERTAINLY AS YOU AS A DEVELOPER, WE WOULDN'T SAY YOU HAVE LESS THAN A THOUSAND UNITS, RIGHT.

FOR EXAMPLE. SO AGAIN, THIS ERE PROCESS, THERE'S DATA IN THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

THE 2050 I THINK, IS PROBABLY A MORE APPROPRIATE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT POINT.

AND MAYBE THERE IS SOME LEEWAY WHERE WE CAN SUGGEST SOME OR HAVE ANOTHER COLUMN THAT INDICATES, OKAY, HERE'S AN ENTITLEMENT COLUMN, BUT THEN HERE'S ANOTHER COLUMN THAT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE. YOU GOT TO LIVE LOCAL NOW THAT'S OUT THERE TOO, RIGHT? THINK OF A LIVE LOCAL EXAMPLE THAT COULD COME IN AND JUST THERE GOES THE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR INDUSTRIAL JETTISON TO NOW YOU HAVE UNITS.

SO IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS.

BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WOULD SAY FOR THE EAR, BECAUSE WE'RE ADDRESSING STATE STATUTES AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO KEEP THESE NUMBERS. AND THEN WE COULD TALK FURTHER ABOUT THE 2050.

AGAIN, IT'S MY SUGGESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ANSWER, BUT THAT'S THE BEST I CAN.

I THINK WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, I'M JUST GOING TO REPEAT IT SO THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND IF WE'RE NOT, PLEASE CORRECT ME.

YOU'RE CAUGHT BETWEEN THE OFFICIAL ENTITLEMENTS.

WHAT WAS TITLED YOU CAN'T AS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT TELL THE DEVELOPER YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD THESE UNITS WHERE THE DEVELOPER IS SAYING, LOOK, WE MAY HAVE THE RIGHT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND WITHIN THAT ALLOTTED PARCEL.

YES, SIR. SO SO OUR NUMBERS JUST TO REFLECT THE RIGHT THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD IT, THEIR FRUSTRATION IS, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND TO BUILD IT ON.

IS THAT FAIR? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. ROBERTSON.

I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP.

I WOULD LIKE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE OR IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT.

IF WE COULD HAVE THE RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD AND THEN POSSIBLY ANOTHER NUMBER THAT SAYS, OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, RESIDENTS OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, THE WORLD, WHOEVER IS INTERESTED IN KNOWING HERE ARE THE RIGHTS THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE.

BUT WITHIN THOSE PARCELS, HERE'S THE AVAILABLE LAND.

IF WE COULD HAVE BOTH NUMBERS, THEN THOSE OF US WHO ARE INTERESTED IN FUTURE PLANNING LIKE I AM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON ON TWO SETS OF DATA POINTS. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND DO OUR BEST TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF VARIABLE THAT MAYBE REFLECTS THAT.

SO THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. BUT SO LET'S SAY MARSH LANDING, YOU HAVE 4000 HOMES THAT THEY HAVEN'T BUILT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A DRIVING RANGE.

WHAT IF THEY DO BUILD ON THAT? YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THAT OFF THE BUILDING LIST AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE IS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THING AND YOU HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE THERE.

SO IN REALITY, WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SAID HAS SOME LEEWAY, THAT IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

THERE'S STILL NOT ACCOUNTED COUNTED FOR LOTS THAT CAN STILL BE USED IN A CREATIVE MANNER THAT WE JUST CAN'T FORESEE BECAUSE IT'S THE FUTURE.

I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO.

YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE SCENARIOS THAT CAN OCCUR.

IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THOUGHTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL TAKE A CRACK AT IT.

MADAM CHAIR, I THINK THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE.

IT IS FOR THEIR REVIEW.

IT CERTAINLY IS NOT THE LAST STEP IN THE PROCESS.

SO I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE EAR BASED ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

PLEASE VOTE. OKAY.

THAT PASSES 3 TO 2.

MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

MISS LOCKLEAR.

[5. RFP 1480 Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Solution. The purpose of implementing an Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) system is to create efficiencies and improve the effectiveness of the internal service departments that provide support to all County departments in its daily operations within budget, procurement, finance, human capital and other business systems. This project will allow the integration, consolidation, and automation of business processes currently handled in separate systems as well as the elimination of duplicative, manual, and offline processes. The County’s current systems are outdated, disconnected and undersized, and not able to meet the needs of the County. Implementing a modern, integrated ERP software system with increased functionality, user access, reporting, automation, integration, and data structures will support the comprehensive needs of the County, including the internal service departments and end-user departments that use these core resources within their daily functions. The Purchasing Department issued a Request for Proposals ("RFP") for the implementation of a cloud-based, centralized Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Solution, for four (4) main functional areas: Finance, Human Resources, Procurement and Budget. The RFP was developed with the assistance of the County’s ERP Consultant, Plante & Moran, PLLC. The County received six (6) responsive Proposals, which were evaluated, and demonstrations were presented by a shortlist of two (2) firms. The evaluation committee, based upon Proposals and demonstrations, identified Cognizant Worldwide Limited as the top ranked firm. Cognizant is the firm who is responsible for developing and implementing the ERP Solution. The proposed ERP Solution is Workday, Inc for the procurement, finance and human resource functions, with Sherpa Government Solutions, LLC (EUNA) proposed for the budget function, and Can/Am Technologies, Inc proposed for the cashiering function. Staff has negotiated Statement(s) of Work and agreements with the four (4) firms that will make up the entirety of the ERP Solution. Each of these agreements with their respective Statement of Work is attached to this agenda for review and approval. Staff recommends Board approval to award RFP 1480; Enterprise Resource Planning Solution, to the top ranked team of Cognizant, Workday, Sherpa (Euna) and Can/Am and to execute the contracts, as negotiated, in substantially the same form and format as attached hereto. Due to the size of the Exhibits and Attachments, they are available upon request from Jaime Locklear. ]

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

JAIMIE LOCKLEAR, PURCHASING DEPARTMENT.

ITEM NUMBER 5 OR 7 OR WHATEVER NUMBER WE'RE ON NOW.

IS THE AWARD OF RFP 1480 FOR THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING, OR ERP, SOLUTION THAT WAS SOLICITED EARLIER THIS YEAR? ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE AWARD, WHICH IS THERE ARE FOUR CONTRACTS BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.

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WE HAVE AN IMPLEMENTER WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A CONSULTANT THAT IS GOING TO HELP US BUILD THE SYSTEMS USING ALL OF THE COUNTY'S CURRENT DATA AND BUILDING IT INTO THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRANSMIT OR TRANSMIT TO.

THERE IS THE ERP, THE MAIN FINANCIAL SYSTEM, WHICH IS WORKDAY.

THERE IS THE BUDGETING SYSTEM, WHICH IS SHERPA GOVERNMENT SOLUTIONS OR YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS.

AND THEN THERE IS THE CASHIERING SYSTEM, WHICH IS CAN AM.

THE MAIN FINANCIAL SYSTEM BEING.

WORKDAY INTEGRATES WITH THESE OTHER SYSTEMS TO PROVIDE THE CORE FUNCTION OF FINANCE, HR, BUDGETING AND PROCUREMENT THAT IS ENTERPRISE WIDE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY TO COME TOGETHER TO PUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND DATA AND ACTIVITIES FOR THOSE FUNCTIONS IN A SINGLE PLACE, AND MAKES IT A CONSISTENT SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE OPERATION.

WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE AWARDS IN JUST A MINUTE.

SARAH TAYLOR FROM THE OFFICE OF TRANSPARENCY AND PERFORMANCE IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT ERP.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

SARAH TAYLOR CHIEF PERFORMANCE OFFICER.

FORGIVE ME. I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO YOU ALL.

I FELL ILL LAST WEEK.

OTHERWISE MY PRESENTATION TODAY WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

SO THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

BUT I HOPE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE HEARD TODAY INTO THE PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE PREPARED, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE ARE LEADING WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND CONTROLLER.

SO I HAVE JOHN RUNDGREN AND NUALA ANDERSON HERE IN THE BACK THAT ARE JOINING US ON THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS TOM TIBBETTS, OUR ERP ARCHITECT, WHO IS GOING TO SERVE AS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE COUNTY.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I KIND OF WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANECDOTE.

SOME OF YOU WERE HERE, AND CERTAINLY MANY OF YOU WERE LIVING IN THE COUNTY, BUT I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO 2016 AND HURRICANE MATTHEW.

FOR ME, I WAS WORKING IN THE HR DEPARTMENT AND WE WERE ASSISTING WITH DISASTER RECOVERY.

AT THE TIME. FEMA ASKED US FOR DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT OUR REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST, AS THEY DO NOW THAT WE HAVE LEARNED MULTIPLE TIMES AND WITH EVERY STORM.

IT WAS A SIMPLE REQUEST WHAT WHAT WORK WAS DONE BY WHOM, USING WHAT EQUIPMENT AND HOW MUCH DID WE PAY THEM TO DO IT? ONE WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S AN EASY QUESTION.

IT WAS SIMPLE.

IT WAS STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND IT WAS CLEAR.

CLEAR THAT WE HAD THIS DATA AT OUR FINGERTIPS.

BUT IT BECAME GLARINGLY OBVIOUS TO US THAT WE COULD NOT CONNECT THE DATA TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE AND THE EXPENSES THAT WE HAD INCURRED.

SO IN RESPONSE, AS WE ALWAYS DO, WE PULL UP OUR BOOTSTRAPS, WE DEVELOPED FORMS, MODIFIED WORK ORDER SYSTEMS, AND SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS BURIED IN SPREADSHEETS TRYING TO SQUEEZE OUT EVERY REIMBURSEMENT DOLLAR WE POSSIBLY COULD.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE STORMS HAVE CONTINUED, AND SO WE'RE STILL CARRYING ON THIS PROCESS.

AGAIN, FEMA'S REQUEST DID NOT SEEM UNREASONABLE AT THE TIME, BUT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THEY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WERE LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF US IN HOW WE WERE MANAGING OUR OPERATIONS AND DOING BUSINESS.

SO EIGHT YEARS AGO, WE STARTED WORKING ON A PLAN TO MODERNIZE OUR SUPPORT TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE'VE HEARD LOTS OF CONVERSATION TODAY.

ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH ENGAGEMENT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT AN ERP REALLY IS BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION.

AND JAMIE ALLUDED TO MANY OF THE COMPONENTS OF IT.

BUT AFTER REACHING OUT TO OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES, THOSE THAT ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE TO US, IT BECAME CLEAR TO US THAT THEY HAD MOVED AND OR WERE MOVING TO WHAT'S CALLED AN ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM, SO THEY COULD MEET THE DEMANDS OF THEIR GROWING BUSINESS PROCESSES.

SO HERE WE WERE EIGHT YEARS AGO, STILL DOING PAPER TIME SHEETS, I'M SAD TO ADMIT.

AND THEY WERE ENGAGING IN THIS ERP, SO WE HAD TO ASK OURSELVES, WHAT IS THIS? WE WERE ALSO STILL MANAGING OUR BUDGET AND SPREADSHEETS AND, AND MERGING THAT DATA INTO ANOTHER SYSTEM, THIS GRAPHIC.

AND THOSE OF YOU THAT SAT THROUGH OUR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS WITH THE BOARD AND CERTAINLY TO THE ADMINISTRATOR EARLIER THIS YEAR, DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT NETWORK OF SYSTEMS. WE'RE FOCUSING THE ERP AT PRESENT ON FINANCE, OMB, HR AND PROCUREMENT.

THOSE ARE OUR CORE SERVICES, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU SEE THIS DEPICTED IN THIS WAY IS WE HAVE TO SHARE AND FLOW INFORMATION ACROSS THESE SYSTEMS. AND WHAT WE'RE MISSING IS THE HUB.

WE'RE MISSING THE FOUNDATIONAL FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS FOR THESE SYSTEMS TO INTEGRATE.

SO IN ORDER FOR THE INFORMATION TO FLOW ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE, THE ORGANIZATION, JUST A FANCY TERM FOR IT, WE NEED TO PUT A NEW INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

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SO OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS WE'VE TRIED TO FILL GAPS IN TECHNOLOGY WITH NEW APPLICATIONS, BUT WE'VE DONE THIS FROM A SILOED APPROACH.

WE'VE BEEN MANAGING THE SYSTEMS ALL ALONG AND BUILDING THESE PROGRAMS, SOME OF THEM IN-HOUSE, WHICH HAS BEEN CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND TO GETTING US THIS POINT TO THIS FAR.

BUT THEY'VE BEEN MANUAL, THEY'RE INEFFICIENT, AND WE ARE REALIZING THAT THEY ARE BECOMING ANTIQUATED, SO MUCH SO THAT WE FIND OURSELVES CHALLENGED TO IDENTIFY TALENT THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THESE UNCOMMON AND ANTIQUATED SYSTEMS, WHICH IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING OUR ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN STAFF.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE FAMILIARITY WITH WORKING IN THESE SYSTEMS, AND ANECDOTALLY, I HAVE TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT AND LIKEN THIS TO THE YOU I AM.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THERE WERE NO TYPEWRITERS IN THIS ORGANIZATION WHEN I STARTED.

WE ARE DOING THINGS AND MAKING PROGRESS IN SMALL AMOUNTS, BUT WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

THAT TECHNOLOGY IS GROWING, SO WHEN WE TRY TO RECRUIT TALENT, THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THESE OLD OR ANTIQUATED OPERATING SYSTEMS. SO WHILE WE'VE GROWN THE INVENTORY OF OUR BUSINESS OPERATING SYSTEMS, WE HAVE MANY PIECES OF THE PUZZLE, AS YOU'LL SEE HERE DEPICTED, BUT THEY STILL DON'T ACTUALLY FIT TOGETHER.

OUR CORE FINANCIAL FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE FOUNDATION OF OUR OPERATING SYSTEM, STILL HAS GAPS IN AREAS SUCH AS GRANT MANAGEMENT ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLES, CASH MANAGEMENT AND PUBLIC REPORTING.

OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS OBSOLETE.

WE WERE NOTIFIED SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT WE IT WOULD NO LONGER BE SUPPORTED BY OUR VENDOR IN 2027.

THIS REQUIRED US TO START MAKING A PLAN TO LOOK FOR A NEW SOLUTION, AND THIS IS NO SMALL TASK.

THE COMPLEXITIES OF THIS SYSTEM FOR A $1.2 BILLION GOVERNMENT AGENCY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A PRIVATE BUSINESS OF THIS SIZE.

IT IS A MOVING CRUISE SHIP, NOT A SPEEDBOAT.

SO WE HAVE GOT TO START LAYING GROUNDWORK TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION IN ORDER TO MEET THAT JANUARY 2027 DEADLINE.

SO WHAT DO WE EXPECT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE ERP? SO THE GOOD NEWS IS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY DONE IT.

MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY MADE THIS TRANSITION, SO WE'RE CONFIDENT ON WHAT WE CAN EXPECT.

SO WHILE I'LL SAY WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE THIS OR YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE THIS, THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF CONFIDENCE THERE THAT WE SEE OTHER COUNTIES AND GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION BY MODERNIZING OUR BUSINESS INFRASTRUCTURE WITH BETTER CONNECTED, CONFIGURABLE FUNCTIONAL TECHNOLOGY.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ACCURATE AND ACCESSIBLE SOURCE RECORDS FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.

NOPE. SORRY. I KNOW WE BOUNCE BACK.

BASED ON THE SCOPE OF THE ERP.

WE WILL HAVE TO STREAMLINE OUR BUSINESS PROCESSES AND PRACTICES AND WORKFLOWS, SPECIFICALLY IN HR, OMB, FINANCE, AND PURCHASING.

THIS SHOULD ALLOW US TO IMPLEMENT GREATER CONTROL MEASURES, MEASURES FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, WHILE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE MORE STRATEGIC AND OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY.

I'M A LITTLE QUICK, SO HAVING SAID THAT, I WORKED HERE FOR 20 YEARS.

I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL COMPONENTS OF OF AUGMENTING OUR SYSTEM WITH A MODERN ERP SYSTEM IS THE ABILITY TO STRIVE FOR OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE.

BY STREAMLINING AND INTEGRATING OUR BUSINESS PROCESSES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE REAL TIME FINANCIAL REPORTING, ENHANCED FINANCIAL CONTROLS, IMPROVED EXPENSE TRACKING AND COMPLIANCE, EASIER AND MORE COMPREHENSIVE AUDITING.

GREATER VISIBILITY AND OVERSIGHT OF CONTRACTS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED EXPENDITURES.

TRANSITIONING TO A MODERN ERP WILL GREATLY EXPAND OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR TRANSPARENCY.

AND I THINK JOI REFERENCED THIS FIRST THING THIS MORNING IN HER PRESENTATION.

MANY OF THE THINGS YOU SEE LISTED HERE WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, SO I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE LATE IN THE DAY, BUT IT SHOULD.

WHAT I FEEL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THE ABILITY TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH THE PUBLIC THROUGH DASHBOARDS AND ONLINE REPORTS.

WE HOPE THAT BY SHARING THIS INFORMATION, WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD TRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND PROMOTE FURTHER ENGAGEMENT BY OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

SO, AS BEEN A FREQUENT TOPIC OF THE DAY, THE COST FOR THIS ERP SYSTEM IS IMPORTANT.

WE DISCUSSED THIS FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE IN 2022 AND 23 AS PART OF OUR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, THIS PROJECT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN.

AT THE TIME, IT DIDN'T MAKE THE FINAL CUT, BUT WE DID IDENTIFY THAT WE WOULD BRING IT BACK AND WE WOULD HAVE FUNDS IDENTIFIED.

SO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS SYSTEM, THIS TRANSITION TO A MODERN ERP IS 3.4 MILLION.

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YES, IT IS A SUBSCRIPTION FOR SERVICE.

YES. IT HAS A SUBSCRIPTION FEE OF APPROXIMATELY $1.5 MILLION ANNUALLY.

WE ARE ALREADY PAYING $1 MILLION FOR OUR CURRENT ANTIQUATED AND LACKING INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S AN OFFSET THERE.

YES, WE'LL NEED RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT.

WE WILL HAVE A TEAM THAT WILL CONSIST OF CURRENT SUBJECT MATTERS, BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL, FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES.

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WILL BE REQUIRED AS WE ADVANCE THE PROJECT.

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT WE HAVE 5.25.

I THINK JESSE REFLECTED THAT NUMBER FOUR OF THOSE FTES ARE REFLECTED IN THE OFFICE OF PERFORMANCE AND TRANSPARENCY.

THE OTHER 1.25 ARE ACTUALLY IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SPECIFICALLY PROCUREMENT AND OMB, TO HELP SUPPORT THE DAY TO DAY FUNCTIONS SO THAT THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS CAN WORK ON THIS PROJECT.

AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROJECT, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO TAKE ABOUT THREE YEARS, WE'LL CONTINUOUSLY EVALUATE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO PROJECT GOVERNANCE AND TO THE SYSTEM. WE FULLY BELIEVE THAT MANY OF THE FTES WILL THEN BE REALLOCATED AND OR WILL CERTAINLY BE EVALUATED AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO BE NEEDED.

THE HEAVY LIFT IS DURING IMPLEMENTATION, WHEN WE'RE BUILDING A NEW SYSTEM AND WHEN WE'RE MANAGING BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING EVALUATION ANNUALLY AS TO THE CONTINUED SUPPORT THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE SYSTEM.

AND LASTLY, KNOWING THAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IS BEING PHASED OUT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING SINCE 2023 TO ALIGN OUR BUSINESS PROCESSES WITH BEST PRACTICES.

WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION EASIER.

SO WE'RE NOT BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO YOU TODAY TO GET STARTED.

MANY OF THE THINGS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN ARE EITHER ALREADY COMPLETED OR UNDERWAY, AND SPECIFICALLY YOU'LL SEE THE TIMELINE.

WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS UP TO THIS POINT.

THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS AGGRESSIVE.

BUT AGAIN SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY AND I THINK I REFERENCED THIS IS WE'RE NOT BETA TESTERS, THIS IMPLEMENTATION TEAM WORKDAY, THEY ARE ALREADY OPERATING IN OTHER COUNTY GOVERNMENTS.

WE'RE HOPING TO YIELD THE BENEFITS OF THAT, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO ONBOARD THIS SYSTEM QUICKLY, EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY.

THESE VENDORS HAVE NOW DONE THIS MULTIPLE TIMES WITH OTHER COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND WE'VE LEARNED FROM THOSE MISTAKES.

SO THE GOAL IS THE BUDGET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO GO LIVE IN SPRING OF 25.

THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT CORE SYSTEM, OCTOBER OF 25 FOLLOWED WITH THE HUMAN CAPITAL MANAGEMENT IN JANUARY OF 2026.

THAT GIVES US TIME TO GET THOSE SYSTEMS ONLINE WORKING PROPERLY AND VACATING OUR OLD SYSTEMS IN TIME FOR THAT 2027 CUTOFF.

AND I KNOW I REFERENCED PROCUREMENT.

YOU DON'T SEE THERE THAT THAT THERE MANY OF THOSE OTHER SYSTEMS ARE BUILT INTO SOME OF THOSE CORE CORE FUNCTIONS.

SO I REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TODAY AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT.

I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS TIME.

I DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES AGAIN FROM THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.

I HAVE REPRESENTATIVE STAFF FROM MISS TIME, AND TOM AND I WILL BOTH BE HERE TO STAND BY.

WE HAVE REPS FROM WORKDAY AND COGNIZANT THAT ARE ALSO IN THE ROOM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.

I'LL STAND BY AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO JAMIE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK COMMISSIONER JOSEPH HAS A QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. SURE. SARAH, I LOVE YOU.

I KNOW YOU'RE A GOOD NEGOTIATOR, AND YOU'RE REALLY WERE GOOD IN THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE, AND THIS IS NOT ANYTHING AGAINST YOU.

BUT WHEN I WAS SITTING THROUGH THE BUDGET HEARINGS WITH JOY AND EVERYBODY WOULD COME IN.

IT WAS REALLY INTIMATE.

IT WAS GREAT THE WAY YOU DID IT.

BUT I ALSO HEARD WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO MANAGE THEIR THEIR DATA, LIKE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THEY HAD THEIR OWN SYSTEM IN PUBLIC WORKS.

THEY WERE REALLY RELYING ON THEIR OWN SYSTEM, THE AI GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THE SAME THING.

I MEAN, EACH DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN SYSTEM, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THEIR NUMBERS.

WHEN I HEARD YOU COME IN AND PRESENT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO ADD TO THE BUDGET, I ALMOST FELL OFF MY CHAIR.

I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOME EMPLOYEES OUT THE DOOR BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO REPLACE PEOPLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE 2016 INFORMATION TO GO FOR FEMA.

THAT'S DAMON.

I MEAN, HE'S THE ONE WHO PUT ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER.

THIS IS THEIR JOB. I MEAN, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THIS I GOING TO BE OBSOLETE.

EVERYTHING IS OBSOLETE.

THE IPHONE IS OBSOLETE IN TWO YEARS.

I MEAN, IT'S EVERYTHING KEEPS ROLLING.

AND HERE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MAYBE 8 MILLION PLUS SEVEN, SEVEN WORK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THIS GOING TO COST OUR BUDGET.

AND WE'RE REALLY STARTING A WHOLE NOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY TODAY.

SO I CAN ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS, A FEW POINTS ON THE AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

SURE. GO AHEAD IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THAT FIRST.

NO, NO. GO AHEAD. JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION AS TO WHAT HOW WE MANAGE THIS GOING FORWARD, WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE STAFF.

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THIS GIVES US A SINGLE SOURCE.

I WOULD ACTUALLY PROPOSE THAT WHILE THOSE DEPARTMENTS HAVE THOSE SYSTEMS, THEY DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.

THEREFORE, WHEN YOU OR THE COMMUNITY ASK US THOSE QUESTIONS TO PROVIDE DATA, TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO SHOW THE PUBLIC HOW THE THEIR TAX DOLLARS FLOW THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

WE HAVE TO MANUALLY GO TRACK THAT AND WALK THOSE EXPENSES THROUGH THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT DATA BACK TO YOU.

MANY TIMES IT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.

IT MAY NOT BE 100% ACCURATE.

IT DEFINITELY IS NOT 100% REAL TIME REPORTING.

SO WE'RE CULMINATING THAT INFORMATION AND IT IS TAKING COUNTLESS HOURS OF MAN HOURS TO PRODUCE THAT.

SO YES, WHILE THE SYSTEM WILL BE IN PLACE TO MANAGE AND HELP FACILITATE DATA AND CERTAINLY HELP US RAISE THE LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO NEED STAFF TO FEED THE SYSTEM, MANAGE THE SYSTEM, EXTRAPOLATE DATA FROM THE SYSTEM, AND PUT IT INTO LAYMAN'S TERMS SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE BACK THAT TO YOU AND TO THE PUBLIC. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.

I CAN CALL GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND GET GET THE STATISTICS.

I CAN LOOK ONLINE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT INTIMACY THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING THE SAME PEOPLE OR THE SAME PROGRAM? WHAT ARE THEY DOING? WHAT ARE THE COUNTIES? YOU SAID A WHOLE BUNCH OF COUNTIES.

BUT MY MOM SAID IF EVERYONE JUMPS OFF THE BRIDGE, YOU CAN DROP OFF.

CLAY COUNTY JUST TRANSITIONED WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS USING SOME OF THEIR ARPA MONEY.

ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTIONALS HAVE BEEN HAVE IMPLEMENTED SOME ELEMENTS OF WHAT YOU SAID.

YOU SAID MANY, MANY COUNTIES HAVE CHANGED TO THIS.

ALMOST ALL OF THEM MIDSIZE AND LARGE COUNTIES HAVE ALREADY TRANSITIONED.

WHO ARE THOSE COUNTIES? COUNTY, I BELIEVE.

I'M SORRY. OH, TO THIS PRODUCT.

IS THAT WHAT? TO THE PRODUCT.

TO THIS PROGRAM? YES.

TO THAT. I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW.

TO YOU. YEAH. GO AHEAD.

I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO TOM. HI.

TOM TIBBETTS, THE ERP SYSTEMS ARCHITECT.

I DID WORK ON THE GIS SYSTEMS AND THE ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

SO I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY INTEGRATE YOUR QUESTION ABOUT COUNTIES THAT HAVE THIS SYSTEM OR UTILIZE IT.

WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT, BUT BASICALLY WE ARE THE LARGEST MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN ERP.

AND SO I COULD LIST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WENT TO ONE FIVE YEARS AGO.

BUT SHE SAID OTHER COUNTIES WERE A COUNTY WERE NOT A CITY COUNTY SARASOTA COUNTY, MONROE COUNTY, THESE ARE COUNTIES.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY OF ORLANDO, THE CITY OF GAINESVILLE.

THOSE ARE A LOT MORE POPULATED AREAS.

I STILL FEEL LIKE WE'RE A MIDDLE SIZED COUNTY.

HOW MUCH MONEY TOTAL IS THIS IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR? I MEAN, THIS IS A BUDGET HEARING SET TIME.

SO SO FOR THIS YEAR, FOR THESE CONTRACTS, IT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION.

FOR FY 24 GOING INTO FY 25, WHEN THE IMPLEMENTATION REALLY TAKES OFF, THERE'S MORE EXPENSES WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE 3 OR $4 MILLION FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND THEN THE SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT GO WITH THE SYSTEMS THAT TAKE IN.

SO ROUGHLY TOTAL FOR OVER THE OVER THE SPAN OF THE TEN YEARS THAT THESE CONTRACTS WOULD, WOULD ENTAIL, IT'S ABOUT $16.9 MILLION OVER THE TEN YEAR PERIOD.

WELL, FOR THE FIRST THREE I HAVE 6.8 MILLION.

I SORT OF DID ALL THE MATH FOR THAT.

AND THEN SEVEN FTES.

HOW MUCH IS THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT RIGHT THERE.

WE'VE GOT HEALTH BENEFITS.

WE HAVE. I MEAN, I'M JUST I MEAN, RIGHT NOW OUR TAXPAYERS NEED A BREAK.

THE GAS IS HIGH.

OUR UTILITY WATER IS HIGH.

THE GROCERIES ARE HIGH.

JUST. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ONE TO JUST PUSH TO THE NEXT YEAR, I THINK, IN MY OPINION.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE FIVE MOTIONS FOR MOTIONS FOR THE CONTRACTS.

ONE MOTION IS FOR THE UTILIZATION OF THE COUNTY LOGO BY ORDINANCE.

THEY HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE FIFTH MOTION IS FOR.

THE MOTIONS ARE BEFORE YOU.

I'M HAPPY TO READ THEM INDIVIDUALLY FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE, OR IF THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER THEM.

OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I THINK WE ALSO HAVE COPIES OF THEM.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF THAT'S OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

MR. SPIEGEL. GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS SPIEGEL.

YES. JUDY SPIEGEL, 101 GREENWILLOW LANE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THE BUDGET MEETINGS, WATCHED SEVERAL OF THEM ONLINE, AND THIS WAS MY FAVORITE PART OF THE WHOLE THING.

THE PRESENTATION ON THIS.

I. DON'T TRUST THE CLOUD.

I'M SCARED OF SECURITY.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.

BUT I KNOW THESE GUYS ARE WAY SMARTER THAN I AM, SO I'M SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT ADDRESSED.

BUT TO ME IT WAS JUST EVERYTHING IS EVERYWHERE.

I KNOW FOR COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, YOU START TO GET THE FEEL HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE SHEARWATER PEOPLE.

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HOW DO YOU KNOW? HOW DO YOU FIND THIS INFORMATION? WELL, YOU GOT TO GO HERE. THEN YOU GOT TO GO THERE.

AND YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THIS AND TALK TO THIS PERSON.

AND I JUST LOVE THE IDEA OF KIND OF A COHESIVE CLEARINGHOUSE, A PLACE WHERE ALL THE DATA COULD BE ACCESSIBLE INTO RELATABLE, AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING MORE OF A BIG PICTURE. SO I REALLY LIKE THIS, I DID, I GUESS I AM MORE OF A NERD THAN I THOUGHT I WAS.

MY QUESTION, OF COURSE, WAS DON'T TRUST THE CLOUD.

I HOPE WE HAVE SOME SORT OF BACKUP SYSTEM AS WELL.

BUT THERE WAS A MENTION OF A CONTRACT.

HOW LONG IS THAT? ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT KIND OF JARRED ME IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION WAS FOR, I THINK IT WAS MOTOROLA OR SOME KIND OF CONTRACT THAT WE HAD WITH THEM, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY LIKE, TRIPLED THEIR PRICE.

SO THEY CAN YOU CAN GET KIND OF GET HELD CAPTIVE.

YOU GET DEPENDENT LIKE A ZERO INTEREST CREDIT CARD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET CAPTIVE IN HAVING THAT BEING PROVIDED FOR YOU.

AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, NOW YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST YOU SO MUCH TO CHANGE TO A DIFFERENT PROVIDER.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW LONG THAT CONTRACT IS FOR AND WHAT SORT OF SAFETY NET IS WRITTEN INTO THAT, SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, WE'RE RAISING YOUR INTEREST RATE TO 35% AND HERE YOU GO, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE FOR SOME REASON.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

ED SLAVIN BOX 308 FOR ED SLAVIN.

COM THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTER ASKED ME LAST YEAR ABOUT THE SHERIFF'S EMBEZZLEMENT UNDER SHERIFF SHAW.

$786,785. AND HE ASKED ME, HOW DID THIS OCCUR? I HAVEN'T GIVEN HIM A FULL ANSWER YET, BUT AS I LOOK AT THIS AGENDA ITEM, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR RELIANCE UPON OUTDATED INFORMATION SYSTEMS. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IS THAT WHAT ENABLED AND EMPOWERED AN EMBEZZLER TO TAKE $786,785 FROM THE PEOPLE OF SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY OVER A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, UNDER THE MALADMINISTRATION OF SHERIFF DAVID SHAW, WHO'S NOW RUNNING FOR SENATE.

I TAKE IT THE ANSWER IS YES.

WHO DRAFTED THE FOUR CONTRACTS BEFORE YOU? WAS IT THE FOUR VENDORS? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT EFFORT DID THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DO TO PROOFREAD AND EDIT? AND COULD WE PLEASE HAVE THE CONTRACT FORMATION DOCUMENTS IN WHICH THEY PROPOSED ANY ALTERATIONS OF THOSE CONTRACTS OF ADHESION, WHICH APPARENTLY WERE STUCK ON BECAUSE THE VENDOR PROVIDED THEM.

AND THEY HAVE LOBBYISTS AND I ASSUME THEY'RE IN THE ROOM.

COULD SOMEBODY TELL ME ON THE RECORD HOW MANY LOBBYISTS AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THESE FOUR CONTRACTING PROPOSED CONTRACTING COMPANIES ARE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW? HOW MANY OF THEM COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE ASK? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB ON THIS ONE.

NOW, IN THE CASE OF THE MALFEASANT AUDITOR, WHO COST OUR COUNTY $786,785 OVER FIVE YEARS, THAT MALFEASANT AUDITOR WAS ABLE TO ARGUE AND YOU WERE IN THE SHADE MEETING.

AND I'VE READ THE TRANSCRIPT.

THAT MALFEASANT OTTER WAS ABLE BASICALLY TO SAY, WELL, THE COUNTY MESSED UP BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAD TWO CONTRACTS AND ONE OF THE CONTRACTS DIDN'T PROVIDE FOR ATTORNEY FEES. WELL, SO FOR THAT REASON, I LOOKED AT THESE FOUR CONTRACTS.

WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THAT THEY PAY OUR ATTORNEY FEES IF THEY MUCK UP.

IN FACT, THERE'S A SECTION 9.4 IN THE FIRST OF THE CONTRACTS SAYING THAT WE AND COGNIZANT EACH AGREE TO INDEMNIFY, DEFEND AND HOLD HARMLESS THE OTHER FROM AND AGAINST ANY AND ALL CLAIMS ACTION.

THIS IS BASICALLY UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT TREATY WITH THIS VENDOR.

NOW, WHO DID THE RESEARCH ON THESE FOUR VENDORS? WHO DID A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION, WHO DID A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK, WHO CHECKED FOR LAWSUITS? PLEASE TABLE THIS ITEM.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

THIS COULD WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

THERE IS NO PRINCIPLED REASON WHY WE SHOULD SPEND THIS MUCH WITH THE UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT TREATY.

IT'S BAD ENOUGH WHEN YOU GUYS APPROVE ARBITRATION CLAUSES, BUT WHEN YOU APPROVE INDEMNITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SUE YOU BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY FAT AND HAPPY IN REPUBLICAN.

COME ON. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

AN INDEMNITY PROVISION.

I, TOO, SAT THROUGH MANY OF THOSE 2025 BUDGET.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. HEATHER HARLEY-DAVIDSON, DISTRICT THREE, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION.

OH, WAIT A MINUTE. SORRY.

2070 REEF ROAD.

START MY TIME OVER AGAIN NOW.

THIS IS LACKING THE PUBLIC WORKS AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS.

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IT IT'S NOT ADDRESSING THEIR INTERGRATING OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS. AND WE DID.

THE MUNICIPALITY PHONE CONTRACT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AGAIN, THAT THAT'S AN OPEN NUMBER.

AND THAT WAS WITHIN THE BUDGET.

THAT WAS A RED FLAG FOR ME.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MOST EFFICIENT, EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT WITH ALL THESE SOFTWARE PROGRAMS ALL WORKING TOGETHER.

BUT TO SHOVE IT IN REAL QUICK, RIGHT BEFORE AN ELECTION YEAR IS MIGHT NOT BE THE ANSWER.

I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT COMMISSION IS SEATED.

SO Y'ALL AREN'T JUST SHOVING IT IN FOR THE ELECTION YEAR.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR FRIENDS AT THE CLERK OF THE COURT'S OFFICE.

JAMIE MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE HERE.

I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO MAKE THE TRIP OVER FOR.

FOR NOTHING.

I KNOW THIS IS HIGHLY ENTERTAINING, BUT.

BUT TRULY YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AN ANTIQUATED SYSTEM PER MISS TAYLOR'S PRESENTATION.

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW GETTING AN ERP SYSTEM WOULD MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER? AND WHAT WHAT CHALLENGES YOU'RE HAVING WORKING WITHIN THE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE NOW? EXCUSE ME. SO, JOHN.

IF I MAY, I STARTED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE IN LATE OCTOBER OF 2017, WITHIN A WEEK, I KNEW THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE A SEVERE CHANGE TO HOW WE WERE CONDUCTING OUR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS.

I COULD SEE IT SIMPLY, FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE AMOUNT OF PAPERWORK THAT NOT ONLY WE SHUFFLED AROUND INTERNALLY, BUT ALSO THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS SNEAKERNET AND SHUFFLED AROUND BETWEEN US AND THE BCC AND ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.

SO FROM A VERY EARLY ON IN MY CAREER WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, I IMMEDIATELY STARTED SAYING, WE NEED TO MOVE INTO A NEW SYSTEM BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO GET ALL THIS ELECTRONIC SIDE.

WE'RE WASTING A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES, CONSTANTLY PUSHING EVERYTHING AROUND LIKE THIS.

THE SECOND THING THAT I SAW WAS THIS IS, OF COURSE, WE'RE SEPARATE FROM THE COUNTY IN SOME WAYS, BUT WE ALSO HAD A VERY ANTIQUATED TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM.

IT WASN'T WORTH IT FOR US TO SPEND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO UPGRADE THAT SYSTEM OR MOVE TO A NEW ONE, BECAUSE WE KNEW SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT ALL AGAIN WHENEVER WE COLLAPSED INTO AN OVERALL ERP SYSTEM.

SO WE KEPT HOLDING OFF AND HOLDING OFF AND HOLDING OFF.

BASICALLY, THAT SYSTEM FOR US IS ON LIFE SUPPORT.

WE KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING, WE KEEP IT MAINTAINED.

BUT IT'S IT'S ON ITS LAST LEGS.

SO BEYOND THAT.

EXCUSE ME. THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS TO IT RELATED TO THE CHART OF ACCOUNTS AND EVERYTHING THAT THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE HAS TO DO.

SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK HER TO SHARE HER PERSPECTIVE, TOO.

THANK YOU JOHN. GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M DANIEL ANDERSON, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I'M SPEAKING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.

WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM SO MANY THINGS THAT WE AREN'T ABLE TO CAPTURE, AREN'T ABLE TO DO BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS AND THE AGE OF THE SYSTEM.

WE HAVE NO MODULE.

WE HAVE NO GRANTS MANAGEMENT MODULE.

WE'RE BARELY SKATING BY WITH OUR AP MODULE.

THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON IN THAT AREA TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY, HAVE BETTER REPORTING, HAVE BETTER BE ABLE TO PULL DATA OUT QUICKER WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

IT BECAME A LOT APPARENT TO ME WHEN WE GET TO AUDIT TIME AND WE NEED DIFFERENT INFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO BECAUSE IT'S IN SOMEBODY'S SILO IN THEIR SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT.

SO FOR US, JUST HAVING EVERY PIECE OF DATA THAT'S RELEVANT IN ONE SPACE WHERE WE HAVE REAL TIME ACCESS TO IT, REAL TIME REPORTING, BEING ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN INTO THOSE DETAILS, WHICH WOULD BE BETTER REPORTING FOR US, BETTER REPORTING FOR THE COMMUNITY, JUST BETTER REPORTING ALL AROUND WITH TRANSPARENCY FOR US.

SO WE JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU, JOHN, I APPRECIATE IT.

JUST JUST SOME COMMENTS.

IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I'M IN THE JEWELRY BUSINESS.

I'M NOT GOING TO PUT A PLUG IN FOR THE STORE, BUT I HAVE TWO LOCATIONS, AND WE WERE DOING TRIPLICATE FORMS ON INTAKE.

WE DO A LOT OF REPAIRS AND A LOT OF WATCH BATTERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE DID TRIPLICATE UP UNTIL 2016, WHEN THE FRANCHISE THAT I'M A PART OF FORCED US TO GO TO THIS ONLINE, CLOUD BASED POINT OF SALE

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SYSTEM. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE.

I'M A VERY OLD SOUL. I WAS FAXING IN MY ORDERS TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE VENDORS THAT I PURCHASED GOODS FROM.

AND, AND I WAS DOING PAPER CALENDARS AND KEEPING THE HOURS ON PAPER.

AND I HAD MY SYSTEM.

I WAS WORKING OVERTIME AND OVERTIME, BUT I BUT I LIKED MY SYSTEM BECAUSE I COULD PUT MY HANDS ON THE PAPER.

I LIKE THE WAY THE CARBON PAPER FELT ON MY FINGERS.

IT'S THAT'S ALL I'D EVER DONE.

THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY I KNEW HOW TO DO IT.

AND I HAD TO PAY FOR THIS POINT OF SALE SYSTEM.

IT WAS FOR ME.

IT WAS UP FRONT. IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT IT HAS SAVED ME HUNDREDS OF EMPLOYEE HOURS BECAUSE OF THE EFFICIENCIES THAT IT'S BROUGHT TO MY.

NOW, THAT'S MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

I DON'T ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO MY PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE TO MAKE DECISIONS UP HERE.

BUT BUT I THINK IT'S RELEVANT IN THAT I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER JOSEPH MADE SOME GOOD POINTS AND WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK WHEN SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO FIRE SOME EMPLOYEES.

WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE PLAN IS TO FIRE ANYBODY OR FOR THIS TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S JOB.

BUT IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.

IF YOU'VE TALKED TO OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, OUR DIRECTORS, FOR THEM TO TO FIND ANYBODY THAT HAS PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THE MONEY THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAN PAY THEM TO, TO GET THEM TO COME WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

SO AS PEOPLE RETIRE, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE BETTER EFFICIENT EFFICIENCIES WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT, I THINK THIS COULD NOT ONLY NOT GROW GOVERNMENT, I THINK IT COULD POTENTIALLY CUT GOVERNMENT IN THE WAY OF CUTTING PAYROLL.

SO THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH TECHNOLOGY, THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.

EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD FROM ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY.

I'M ON REGIONAL BOARDS HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, AND OF COURSE, I GO TO CONFERENCES WHICH TIE ME INTO COMMISSIONERS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE.

WHEN YOU BRING IN EFFICIENCIES, IT MAKES YOUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR RESIDENTS BETTER BECAUSE YOU CAN BE MORE RESPONSIVE.

SO SO NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

YES. UP FRONT THERE'S THERE'S AN INVESTMENT.

IT'S FINANCIALLY HEAVY ON THE FRONT END.

BUT I THINK ON THE BACK END IT CAN SAVE US MONEY.

SO FISCALLY I THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE.

BUT JUST IN TERMS OF BEING A MORE TRANSPARENT AND OPEN GOVERNMENT AND BEING MORE RESPONSIVE, PROVIDING BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS, WHICH IS HOW I'M WIRED.

THAT'S HOW I'M BUILT.

I THINK THAT THIS COULD BE A HUGE ASSET FOR FOR YOU, THE TAXPAYERS, THE RESIDENTS OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

SO I'M I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. WHITEHORSE. COMMISSIONER.

JOSEPH. I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE TERM SILOS.

SO EACH EACH COUNTY HAS, YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS HAVE EVERYONE'S NAME, NUMBER, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, ALL THE THINGS YOU KNOW IN CLERK OF COURT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE CONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM? WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED? LIKE WE'VE ALREADY LOST, WHAT, $2 MILLION? I DON'T KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE A COMPANY HELPING YOU WITH THAT.

RIGHT. WHY WOULD WE ALL HAVE TO GO WITH THE SAME VENDOR? WHY WOULDN'T WE, YOU KNOW, BE MORE COMPETITIVE AND HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VENDORS? I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE PART ISN'T THE SAME.

AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO DO, SPEND TO DO IT NOW AND CAN'T JUST DO IT IN THE NEXT 2016, 2026.

JUST TO ADDRESS A PIECE OF THAT QUESTION, WHEN WE SAY SILOS, WE DON'T MEAN BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND THE TAX COLLECTOR.

WE MEAN ALL THE SILOS WITHIN THE COUNTY.

SO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES, THE THE ADMIN DEPARTMENT, ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS HAVE THESE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAT THEY USE FOR THEIR LITTLE SPECIALTIES THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IN THE FINANCE OFFICE.

SO WHEN IT'S TIME TO PULL DATA, WE'RE HAVING TO REACH OUT TO 12 DIFFERENT PLACES TO SAY, CAN I GET THIS? I NEED THIS FOR THE AUDITOR.

CAN I HAVE THAT WHEN WE CAN HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION REPORTING TO A SINGLE SOURCE AND WE CAN GET IT IN REAL TIME OURSELVES? I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT, THAT'S ALL.

I WOULD JUST ADD TO IT THAT.

SO WE BOTH CURRENTLY USE THE SAME SYSTEM NOW, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SEPARATE DATABASES, WHICH THAT'LL BE HOW IT MOVES FORWARD EVEN WITH WORKDAY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BOTH USING THE WORKDAY PLATFORM, WE EACH HAVE OUR OWN INDEPENDENT, WHAT THEY CALL COMPANIES AND WHAT OUR A SECURITY MECHANISM THAT'S PUT IN PLACE CALLED ACCESS CONTROL LISTS DEFINE WHO CAN DO WHAT IN EACH OF THOSE COMPANIES, AND IT JUST HELPS FACILITATE THE FLOW BETWEEN THEM.

BECAUSE BEING ON THE SINCE THE OUR OFFICE IS THE COMPTROLLER FOR THE COUNTY, THERE ARE CERTAIN MEMBERS OF STAFF THAT HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THAT INFORMATION FROM BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.

IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO DO THAT WHEN BOTH OF THOSE ARE UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, AT LEAST DURING MY TERM.

SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD.

SO I'M PREPARED TO MAKE THE MOTIONS IF EVERYONE'S READY.

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MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 4-2 97 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OR DESIGNEE, TO FINALIZE AND EXECUTE A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH COGNIZANT WORLDWIDE LIMITED IN SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AND FORMAT AS THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS FOR PERFORMANCE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION SERVICES.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RFP AND AS NEGOTIATED FOR THE TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED COST OF 2,530,554 60.

SECOND. OKAY.

MOTION A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES FOUR ONE.

MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 4-2 97, AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OR DESIGNEE, TO FINALIZE AND EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH WORKDAY, INC., AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AND FORMAT AS THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS FOR PROVISION FOR THE OF THE WORKDAY SYSTEM FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF TEN YEARS AT A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED COST OF $10,592,049 FOR ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS AND TRAINING SERVICES.

THIS CONTRACT IS SUBJECT TO RENEWALS BEYOND THE INITIAL TERM, WHICH WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO EXECUTION.

SECOND. OKAY.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES FOUR ONE.

MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 4-2 97.

AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OR DESIGNEE, TO FINALIZE AND EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH SHERPA GOVERNMENTAL SOLUTIONS AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AND FORMAT AS THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND PROVISIONS OF THE SHERPA BUDGETING SYSTEM FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF TEN YEARS, AT A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED COST OF 1,834,613 76 FOR IMPLEMENTATION SERVICES AND ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS.

THIS CONTRACT IS SUBJECT TO RENEWALS BEYOND THE INITIAL TERM, WHICH WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO EXECUTION.

SECOND MOTION A SECOND.

PLEASE PLEASE VOTE. PASSES FOUR ONE.

MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020 4-2 97 AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OR DESIGNEE, TO FINALIZE AND EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH CAN-AM TECHNOLOGIES, INC., AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FORM AND FORMAT AS THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS FOR IMPLEMENTATION, INTEGRATION, AND PROVISION OF THE TELLER SOFTWARE FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF TEN YEARS AT A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED COST OF $1,977,644 FOR IMPLEMENTATION, INTEGRATIONS AND ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS.

THIS CONTRACT IS SUBJECT TO RENEWALS BEYOND THE INITIAL TERM, WHICH WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION.

SECOND, COULD I SAY SOMETHING, PLEASE? I GUESS IT'S TIME.

IT'S TIME. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS FOR TEN YEARS.

IT SHOULDN'T BE LESS THAN THAT.

THE OTHER ONES ARE LESS.

I'VE SEEN TEN YEARS.

IT'D BE OBSOLETE IN TEN YEARS.

SO THE IMPLEMENTATION CONTRACT IS THREE YEARS.

THAT'S THE CONSULTANTS GOING TO HELP CONFIGURE AND IMPLEMENT, PUT THE SYSTEMS INTO SERVICE.

THE SYSTEM CONTRACTS ARE TEN YEARS BECAUSE YOU DON'T GO THROUGH THIS ACTIVITY AND THEN REDO THIS PROCUREMENT AND SELECTING A NEW SYSTEM IN A PERIOD THAT'S LESS THAN THAT. IT'S JUST NOT BEST PRACTICE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS DECIDED THAT THE INITIAL TERM WOULD BE TEN YEARS.

COULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR? CAN YOU SPECIFICALLY SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH EXACTLY THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE USING THE SAME SYSTEM? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES FOUR ONE MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024.

DASH 297, GRANTING THE AWARDED FIRMS EXPRESS PERMISSION TO UTILIZE THE COUNTY'S LOGO ON THEIR RESPECTIVE WEBSITES AND OR IN PUBLICATIONS, TO REFERENCE THE COUNTY AS A USER OF THE SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS AND A CLIENT OF EACH FIRM.

IN THE EVENT OF TERMINATION OF ANY OF THE AGREEMENTS HEREIN, THIS PERMISSION SHALL BE CONSIDERED WITHDRAWN EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON SUCH TERMINATION, AND FIRMS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING ANY SUCH PUBLICATION OR USE OF THE COUNTY MOTION.

A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

AND THAT PASSES FOR ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS TAYLOR. MISS LOCKLEAR.

OKAY, THAT THAT BRINGS US TO.

THANK YOU. THE RIVER SELF STORAGE PUD.

COME ON DOWN. THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL AS WELL, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

[8. Public Hearing * PUD 2023-09 Rivers Self Storage PUD. Request to rezone approximately 5.99 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum 100,000 square foot Self Storage facility, specifically located at 1065 State Road 16. The Planning and Zoning Agency (PZA) heard this request at their regularly scheduled public hearing on June 20, 2024 and recommended approval with a vote of 6 to 0. Agency members discussed the Applicant’s plan to provide buffers along SR 16 and Mission Trace, where the Applicant highlighted that the buffer reduction was limited to the southwest corner of the site. They also noted that the reduced setback was adjacent to the open space parcels for Mission Trace to the south and west. The Agency discussed the Applicant’s plan for the preservation of significant trees, controlled onsite lighting, security fencing, and acknowledged the Project Team’s outreach through unofficial meetings with Mission Trace neighbors. There was only one member of the public who spoke during public comment, and they presented the Applicant’s agreement to address site/area security, adequate stormwater management, prevention of damage/trespass during construction, and appreciation for the courtesy meetings hosted by the applicant. ]

NUMBER SIX. MEMBERS EIGHT.

MEETING WITH BLAIR, KNIGHTING KATHERINE WHITTINGTON, HUNTER DAWKINS AND THE TEAM.

AND I RECEIVED THREE PLUS EMAILS.

COMMISSIONER LIMO, I HAD A MEETING WITH BLAIR WHITTINGTON, KATHERINE WHITTINGTON, HUNTER DAWKINS AND STAFF.

I ALSO RECEIVED THREE PLUS EMAILS.

I AS WELL HAD A MEETING WITH BLAIR KNIGHT AND KATHERINE WHITTINGTON.

HUNTER DAWKINS AND STAFF AND RECEIVED THE SAME EMAILS, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

I HAD A MEETING HERE IN THE OFFICE WITH BLAIR KNIGHTING KATHERINE WHITTINGTON, HUNTER DAWKINS AND OUR STAFF.

I RECEIVED THE EMAILS THAT ARE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. YES.

A MEETING WITH BLAIR NODDING KATHERINE WHITTINGTON.

HUNTER DAWKINS AND SEVERAL STAFF.

AND I GOT OVER THREE EMAILS.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FIVE.

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THANK YOU SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CATHERINE WHITTINGTON, 236 SAN MARCO AVENUE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

32084. WE ARE HERE FOR THE RIVER SELF STORAGE PUD.

IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY, SO WE'LL MAKE IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN HIGHLY ENTERTAINING.

WITH ME TODAY IS HUNTER DAWKINS, PRINCIPAL OF FOUR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP, MYSELF, OF COURSE, AND BLAIR KNEIDING AND BILL SCHILLING, THE PLANNER AND CIVIL ENGINEER FOR WITH KIMLEY-HORN.

THIS IS A LOCATION MAP TELLS US WHERE WE ARE IN THIS WORLD.

LET'S SEE IF OUR POINTER WORKS.

THIS IS OUR OUR PARCEL RIGHT HERE IT IS ON STATE ROAD 16.

IT IS WEST OF THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND KENTON MORRISON ROAD.

IT IS EAST OF FERBER.

IT'S A PUD WITH 300, OOPS, 305 UNITS.

SKIPPED FORWARD AND AND 95,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

ROYAL SAINT AUGUSTINE PAID 633 UNITS.

IT IS. HERE'S FOUR MILE ROAD, YOUR COUNTY UTILITY DEPARTMENT RIGHT HERE.

VILLAGES OF ST LOUIS, 240 CONDOS HERE.

THE SAN SEBASTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS RIGHT HERE.

ALSO IMPORTANTLY IT IS THIS IS THE FDOT FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE STATE ROAD 312 EXTENSION.

THIS PROPERTY EVENTUALLY WILL BE AT THAT CORNER.

AND THEN I DIDN'T MENTION THIS IS THE MISSION TRACE PUBLIX SHOPPING CENTER.

THERE'S EXXON GAS STATION RIGHT HERE.

CAR WASH HERE.

LIQUOR STORE HERE. THIS IS THE MISSION TRACE PUD PAD WITH 91 UNITS.

THIS IS THE CURRENT LAND USE.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE CORRIDOR ALONG IN FRONTING ON STATE ROAD 16.

BEHIND THAT AND SURROUNDING THAT IS RESIDENTIAL.

SEE, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE HIGHEST INTENSITY LAND USE IN THE COUNTY.

AND ALSO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.

SEE THE USE WE ARE PROPOSING.

PERSONAL PROPERTY MINI WAREHOUSE IS ALLOWABLE IN BOTH OF THESE, BUT MIXED USE ALLOWS ALL USES.

THIS PROJECT WILL HELP ACHIEVE THE COUNTY'S DESIRED MIX OF USES FOR MIXED USE, WHICH INCLUDE COMMERCIAL LIGHT INTENSIVE OFFICE LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

HERE YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING ZONING MAP.

THIS WILL RESULT IN REDEVELOPMENT OF.

THIS IS 5.99 ACRES.

IT CONTAINS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1967.

AS YOU KNOW, THE THIS IS CONSIDERED INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

AS YOU KNOW, YOUR COMP PLAN PRIORITIZES THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT DOES OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT REDUCES TRAFFIC IMPACTS.

THIS IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE IF IT IS APPROVED.

A HARD TIME WITH IT THERE.

BE SURROUNDED BY PUD ZONING.

AND NOW THAT YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS, I'M GOING TO ASK HUNTER DAWKINS TO COME UP.

AND HE WANTS TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS COMPANY AND THE SERVICE HE'S PROPOSING.

FOR YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

HUNTER DAWKINS. 1033 GLENDALE AND CIRCLE IN SPARTANBURG, SOUTH CAROLINA.

PRINCIPAL WITH FOUR RIVERS PROPERTY GROUP.

WE ARE A SELF-STORAGE FOCUSED DEVELOPER THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES.

WE DEVELOP A CLASS A FULLY ENCLOSED, FULLY CONDITIONED FACILITIES.

WE TRY AND DESIGN THEM TO BLEND IN, LOOKING EITHER LIKE OFFICE IF THEY'RE MULTI STOREY OR MORE LIKE A RETAIL COMPLEX.

AS YOU'LL SEE HERE.

THIS IS THE RENDERING FOR WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED ON THE SITE.

OUR COMBINED PRINCIPLES HAVE DONE OVER 20 PROJECTS IN NORTH OF TWO POINT 3,000,000FT².

THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE TAX STUDY THAT WE PROPOSED HERE.

ON IT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE RUN IT OUT FOR FIVE YEARS.

THE FIRST YEAR, OBVIOUSLY BEING JUST BUYING THE PROPERTY AND THEN DOING A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN AS IT PROGRESSES, THAT IS, IT IS FULLY DEVELOPED.

AND THEN THIS EXPLAINS WHY WE SELECT THE SITES THAT WE SELECT.

WE LOOK IN A THREE MILE RADIUS.

ROUGHLY 85% OF YOUR CUSTOMERS COME FROM WITHIN THAT THREE MILE RADIUS.

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AND EQUILIBRIUM OF THE MARKET IS TYPICALLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 8 TO 10FT² PER CAPITA.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ANALYSIS HERE, EXISTING TODAY IS 4.3FT² PER CAPITA WITH OUR PROPOSED FACILITY, WE WOULD GO TO 7.6, WHICH IS STILL UNDER THE EQUILIBRIUM.

AND AGAIN, WE LOOK AT A TYPICALLY A FIVE YEAR GROWTH PERIOD, WHICH WOULD EVEN LOWER THAT NUMBER.

AND ONE THING THAT I'LL POINT OUT BEFORE SHE FLIPS OVER, TYPICALLY WE COMPARE TO THE CLASS A STORAGE IN THIS MARKET IS JUST THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE THAT WE COMPARE TO, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE THE ONLY CLASS A FACILITY WITHIN OUR THREE MILE.

THIS SHOWS THE THREE MILE RADIUS.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO EXISTING.

THE MIDDLE ONE IS OUR APPLICATION.

THERE'S ONLY TWO EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITIES IN THIS THREE MILE RADIUS.

THIS ONE IS THE USE STORE AT STATE ROUTE 16 AND COLLINS AVENUE.

THIS ONE IS AN ATLANTIC STORAGE.

STATE ROUTE 16 AND FAULKNER ROAD, BOTH EXISTING FACILITIES ARE THE OLDER TYPE FACILITIES.

THE SPRAWLING FACILITIES WITH INDIVIDUAL GARAGE DOORS THAT OPEN.

THEY'RE 24 OVER SEVEN ACCESS.

THEY'RE MOSTLY SOME ARE HAVE SOME CLIMATE CONTROL.

A LOT OF THEM DO NOT.

THEY'RE NOT BEING BUILT TOO MUCH THESE DAYS BECAUSE THIS CLASS A FACILITY, WHICH IS CLIMATE CONTROLLED, SINGLE ACCESS IN IS MODERN AND MORE DESIRED.

THIS IS THE PUD MDP MAP.

FOR A PROJECT OVERVIEW WE'RE PROPOSING UP TO 100,000FT² OF PERSONAL PROPERTY.

SELF STORAGE.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS SINGLE.

IT'S A SINGLE STORY, 40FT.

YOU DON'T SEE THESE THESE FACILITIES VERY OFTEN WITH ONLY SINGLE STORY.

BUT THEY'VE DONE THIS FOR COMPATIBILITY WITH THE MISSION TRACE.

POD RESIDENTIAL PUT BEHIND THEM.

THE UPLAND PRESERVATION EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF 5%.

WE HAVE NINE.

OPEN SPACE EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 25.

WE HAVE 39.

VERY IMPORTANTLY, WHICH IS DRIVEN MUCH OF THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT, WE ARE PRESERVING EIGHT SPECIMEN TREES AND HAVE IMPLEMENTED A SPECIMEN TREE MITIGATION PLAN INDICATED BY THESE GREEN CIRCLES.

THESE ARE THE SPECIMEN TREES THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED UNDER THE PLAN, WHICH REQUIRED A LITTLE BIT OF MANEUVERING OF THE ACCESS AROUND THE TREES, AND WE HAD TO PUSH THE THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY AT THIS CORNER.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SPECIMEN TREES.

THEY'RE SPECTACULAR.

ONE OF THEM. THE BIGGEST ONE.

THAT BIG GREEN, GREEN CIRCLE IS 373IN CIRCUMFERENCE.

IT HAS 119 INCH D.B.H.

SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA, AS I SAID, 100 UP TO 100,000FT².

A SINGLE FIVE YEAR PHASE.

THE PROJECT AREA AREAS BEST PART OF SIX ACRES.

NO WETLAND IMPACTS.

MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT.

WHOOPS 40FT.

SINGLE STORY MAXIMUM FAR.

YOU DON'T SEE THIS VERY OFTEN EITHER.

YOU USUALLY SEE THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES ASKING FOR A MAXIMUM A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO EXCEED THE COMP PLAN MAXIMUM OF 70. WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING 38.3 MAXIMUM.

ESSER 75% IS ALLOWABLE UNDER THE CODE.

WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING 59.8.

IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THESE TREES, WE WERE REQUIRED TO REDUCE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, WHICH THIS IS TURNED SIDEWAYS BECAUSE THIS IS A WAY IT ALIGNS.

THIS IS STATE ROAD 16 HERE.

THIS IS MISSION. THIS IS PUBLIX.

THIS IS MISSION TRACE.

THIS IS THE FDOT RIGHT OF WAY.

IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THESE TREES, WE HAD TO REDUCE THE BUILDING SIZE AND PUSH IT BACK AS FAR AS WE COULD TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, WHICH HAS REQUIRED US TO REQUEST THREE RATHER SMALL WAIVERS, BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM APPROVED IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE 500 FOOT REQUIREMENT WITH IT FOR BETWEEN THESE THE BUILDING AND RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.

THERE ARE NO RESIDENCES HERE.

THIS IS THE POND THAT THAT SERVES MISSION TRACE.

THE PUBLIX, WHICH BY THE WAY IS PART OF THE MISSION TRACE, BUT IT SERVES THIS PUD.

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THIS IS OPEN SPACE.

THERE ARE NO HOMES.

MISSION TRACE WAS APPROVED FOR 91 UNITS.

90 OF THEM HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND ARE OCCUPIED.

SO THERE ARE NEVER GOING TO BE ANY HOMES HERE.

THE CLOSEST HOME IS RIGHT HERE AT 100FT, AND THEN THE NEXT CLOSEST IS HERE AT 300FT, I BELIEVE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE THREE EMAILS THAT YOU RECEIVED, BUT I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM WAS A LETTER FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL WHO LIVES HERE WHO'S FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THIS PROJECT AND TESTIFIED AT PCA, THAT HE COULDN'T IMAGINE A BETTER USE OF THIS SITE THAN WHAT WE'RE WE ARE PROPOSING. I CAN TELL YOU, MR. DAWKINS HAS MET WITH THE HOA.

THIS INDIVIDUAL IS ON THE HOA AS WELL, ON THE BOARD.

HE'S MET WITH THEM MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING OUT THIS PLAN AND THE THE TREE MITIGATION PLAN AND THE CONCERN. PRIMARY CONCERN WAS DRAINAGE INTO THESE OPEN SPACE IN THE POND.

MR. DAWKINS HAS GONE AHEAD AND ENGINEERED THIS PROJECT, AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE PONDS TO FOR THE DRAINAGE, AND NOW THEY WILL ALSO NEED TO IMPLEMENT UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE FACILITIES.

SO THEY HAVE ENGINEERED IT ALREADY AND HAVE ASSURED THE RESIDENTS HERE THAT THEY ALSO ADJUSTED THE GRADE AND THE SLOPE TO TAKE THE DRAINAGE AWAY FROM THESE PROPERTIES.

SO THEY'VE SATISFIED THE THE DRAINAGE CONCERN OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTS.

THESE ARE THE OTHER TWO WAIVERS THAT ARE REQUESTED.

YOU WILL SEE HERE, HERE THE GREEN IS WHERE WE NEED THE WAIVERS.

THE TWO WAIVERS.

WE CAN ONLY PROVIDE TEN FEET RATHER THAN 20.

A 20 FOOT B BUFFER AND A 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS FROM RESIDENTIALLY ZONED, NOT RESIDENCES BUT RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.

SO WE CANNOT PROVIDE IT HERE OR IN THIS LITTLE CORNER RIGHT HERE, THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE CAN PROVIDE IT.

SO JUSTIFICATION FOR THESE WAIVERS.

AS I MENTIONED, THE SPECIMEN TREES DICTATED WHERE THE BUILDING PLACEMENT WOULD BE.

WE COULDN'T MOVE IT TO 20FT OUT OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND STILL PROTECT ALL THE TREES.

IT'S WELL BUFFERED BY THE WOODED OPEN SPACE AND THE DRAINAGE POND IN MISSION TRACE.

IT HAS ITS OWN TEN FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER.

AS I MENTIONED, IT'S SINGLE STORY FOR COMPATIBILITY WITH THE MISSION TRACE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND LESS THAN PUBLIX, I BELIEVE.

AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S BUILT OUT SO THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY HOMES HERE.

SO PROJECT OVERVIEW IT'S AN INFILL PARCEL IN MIXED USE.

THE SITE IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT AND THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY OF 312.

AND IT WILL BE AT THAT CORNER.

NOT A VERY APPROPRIATE SITE FOR A SINGLE RESIDENCE RIGHT THERE.

IT'S A NEEDED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE IN THE AREA.

AS MR. DAWKINS DEMONSTRATED, THERE WILL BE NO OUTSIDE TRUCK RENTALS, NO RV BOAT STORAGE.

IT HAS LIMITED WEEKDAY AND WEEKEND HOURS, NOT 24 OVER SEVEN.

THE OFFICE, WHICH WILL BE MANNED 9 A.M.

TO 5 P.M.

AND ELECTRONIC ACCESS TWO HOURS BEFORE AND THREE HOURS AFTER, FROM 7 A.M.

TO 8 P.M..

ALL ACTIVITIES CUSTOMER ACTIVITIES ARE CONDUCTED INSIDE THE FACILITY, SO IT IS AN EXTREMELY LOW INTENSITY USE AND AN EXTREMELY LOW TRIP GENERATION, WHICH I WILL ASK BILL SCHILLING TO COME UP AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ACCESS.

BILL. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS FOR YOU? YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. CATHERINE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, I'M BILL SHILLING WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES.

12 740 GRAND BAY PARKWAY, SUITE 2350, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

32258. AND I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER LICENSED IN FLORIDA AND SPECIALIZE IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.

AND I'M GOING TO TALK THROUGH THE ACCESS AND TRANSPORTATION CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE PROJECT.

LET ME START WITH WITH ACCESS.

AND I KNOW MISS WHITTINGTON REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WINDING ENTRY HERE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

AND TO SHARE. ONE IS THERE IS AN EXISTING RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PUBLIX DRIVEWAY.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DOT.

THE DOT HAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED US TO LOCATE OUR DRIVEWAY AS FAR TO THE WEST AS POSSIBLE, TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO THAT RIGHT TURN

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LANE. SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, AND CERTAINLY AS WE'VE COME INTO THE SITE AND NEEDING TO LOCATE THE BUILDING HERE TO AVOID THE IMPACTS TO THE TREES WE HAVE COME UP WITH, WITH A ROUTE TO GET INTO THE SITE.

THE ONE THING THAT I WILL SHARE, AND I'M JUMPING A LITTLE AHEAD IN MY SLIDES HERE, IS.

BUT IT'S GOOD TO SEE AS PART OF THIS SLIDE IS THE SITE WILL PROHIBIT SEMI TRUCK ACCESS.

SO THIS IS INTENDED AS A PERSONAL PROPERTY.

MANY MANY WAREHOUSE.

NOT NOT A LARGE WAREHOUSE WHERE MOVING COMPANIES ETC.

OR ARE COMING IN.

SO SO WE WILL BE PROHIBITING SEMI TRUCK ACCESS INTO THE SITE.

TRULY THEY WILL NOT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO FIT INTO THE SITE BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION.

ALSO TO MENTION AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DOT ON IS THIS WILL BE PERMITTED AS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY.

SO LEFT TURNS OUT AND LEFT TURNS IN WILL BE RESTRICTED.

MISS WHITTINGTON ALSO MENTIONED AND I'LL HIT ON IS AS FAR AS TRIP GENERATION GOES AND AND MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO STATE ROAD 16.

THIS IS A TERRIFIC USE AND USING THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS NATIONALLY AVAILABLE DATA FOR 100,000 SQUARE FOOT MINI WAREHOUSE.

THE IT DATA PREDICTS ROUGHLY 15 PEAK HOUR TRIPS BEING GENERATED BY THIS SITE, WHICH IS VERY LOW.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROUGHLY THREE TRIPS, PEAK HOUR TRIPS PER ACRE, AND WE DID A COUPLE OF COMPARISONS JUST JUST TO GIVE SOME FEEL.

AND AND AGAIN, WE USED A CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTION OF ROUGHLY 8000FT² AN ACRE.

BUT BUT IF THIS WERE TO DEVELOP AS AN OFFICE SITE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A TRIP GENERATION OF ROUGHLY SIX TIMES AS MANY TRIPS.

CERTAINLY, IF THIS WERE SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER WOULD BE EVEN MORE GREATER THAN TEN TIMES AS MANY TRIPS.

SO. SO THIS FEELS LIKE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD USE FOR THIS SITE AND FOR THIS LOCATION FROM A TRIP STANDPOINT.

ALREADY MENTIONED THIS SLIDE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE TYPICAL SIZED STORAGE FACILITY IN THIS BUILDING WILL BE A TEN BY TEN FOOT FACILITY.

SO AGAIN, SIZE FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY STORAGE.

THE LARGEST, THE ABSOLUTE LARGEST SIZE OF STORAGE AREA WILL BE A TEN BY 20.

THIS SITE IS JUST NOT DESIGNED FOR AND WILL PROHIBIT ANY SORT OF SEMI TRUCKS, 18 WHEELERS, ETC.

AND AGAIN, USING THE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED EIT DATA, IT PREDICTS ROUGHLY FOUR TRUCK TRIP ENDS PER DAY FOR THIS SIZE SITE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 97% OF OF THE EXPECTED TRIPS.

AND AGAIN, I'VE SHOWN SOME PICTURES OF THOSE SIZE TRUCKS THAT WE ARE EXPECTING AGAIN, THINKING THAT THESE WOULD BE FOLKS THAT MAY BE RENTING A U-HAUL TRUCK TO BRING THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY TO THE SITE.

CERTAINLY WE WILL HAVE MAIL AND FEDEX DELIVERIES, ETC..

SO THOSE SIZE TRUCKS AND THEN THEN FINALLY, AS FAR AS TRUCKS GO, I'M SORRY, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, MY BRAIN'S STILL ON TRUCKS IS THAT THE SITE IS GOING TO GENERATE AN ESTIMATED LESS THAN THREE TRIPS PER ACRE FROM A STATE ROUTE 16 STANDPOINT, THAT REPRESENTS LESS THAN HALF OF A PERCENT OF IMPACT TO THIS DIRECTLY ACCESSED SEGMENT OF STATE ROAD 16.

THE DIRECTLY ACCESSED SEGMENT IS ROUGHLY AT 71.9% OF CAPACITY TODAY.

SO. SO TODAY AND WITHIN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THERE IS THE CAPACITY FOR FOR THIS LOW NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WILL BE ADDING.

AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING AND WORKING WITH THE DOT.

WE DID HAVE A VERY GOOD PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH THEM.

AS SHOWN, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE WEST IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE DOT.

AGAIN, THE LOW NUMBER OF TRIP TRIPS BEING GENERATED.

DOT HAS SAID THAT THEY DO NOT ANTICIPATE REQUIRING A TRAFFIC STUDY, AND THEY DO RECOGNIZE DOT DOES RECOGNIZE WE WILL BE SHORTENING THE DOT DRIVEWAY JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT THE PUBLIC'S DRIVEWAY, THAT RIGHT TURN LANE WILL STILL CONTINUE TO MEET DOT CRITERIA DESIGN CRITERIA.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO MISS WHITTINGTON.

THANKS, BILL. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO RECAP AND SUMMARIZE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS PROJECT.

THEY'RE PRESERVING EIGHT SPECIMEN TREES, NO WETLAND IMPACTS.

THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD IS WELL BUFFERED FROM THE TRAFFIC AND INTENSITY OF STATE ROUTE 16.

JUST AS PUBLIX BUFFERS THEM, WHICH IS 16 IS, OF COURSE, A BUSY FOUR LANE MAJOR ARTERIAL.

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IT'S A COMPATIBLE SINGLE STORY HEIGHT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BEHIND.

IT WILL PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE AND TAX BASE GENERATION PLACES AN UNDERUSED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY INFILL PARCEL, AND THAT'S ALREADY LOCATED IN MIXED USE INTO A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT USE.

THERE'S A STRONG NEED FOR THIS SELF STORAGE SERVICE.

IT'S FILLING THE VOID OF CLASS A STORAGE SPACE IN THIS AREA OF 16.

LOCATED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MANY PERSONAL STORAGE USERS, IT'S A LOW INTENSITY USE AND HIGHEST ALLOWABLE INTENSITY MIXED USE CORRIDOR. A VERY LOW TRIP GENERATOR, AS MR. SCHILLING JUST DEMONSTRATED, AND IT ADDRESSED THE TRUCK SIZE LIMITATION.

IT HAS LIMITED OPERATING HOURS.

ALL ALL ACTIVITIES ARE INTERIOR.

NO EXTERIOR GARAGE DOORS MAKES IT ESTHETICALLY MORE PLEASING AND ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR A MASONRY WALL OR SECURITY FENCE THAT YOU'LL SEE AROUND THE OLDER TYPES.

LOW IMPACTS TO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES.

IN FACT, SCHOOL HAS NO IMPACTS.

LOW IMPACTS TO UTILITIES, THE ROAD NETWORK, EMERGENCY AND PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES.

UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM PCA.

AND WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MISS WHITTINGTON.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT.

IT'S REFRESHING TO SEE THE APPLICANT OR DEVELOPER MOVING THE BUILDING FOR THE TREES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

MR. DAWKINS, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT US A PROJECT WITH CONDITIONS THAT WORK AGAINST YOUR OWN INTERESTS.

AND JUST AS A RESIDENT, I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ON HIS BEHALF.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO ECHO THAT AS WELL.

IT IS. IT IS SO NICE THE WAY YOU GUYS DO BUSINESS.

YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAIL, YOUR INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, EVEN GET NEAR US.

I JUST, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU DO BUSINESS.

SO I WITH THAT I GUESS WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHARLIE HUNT, MILL CREEK ESTATES.

YES, IT DOES SEEM A FEASIBLE THING.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO MARKET TODAY AS THE, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ARE HAPPY THAT TREES AREN'T GETTING JUST SLAUGHTERED LIKE THEY ARE IN IN THE MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON.

OKAY. YES.

CLEAR CUTTING.

YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT WE THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THESE TREES ON YOUR PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER QUESTION IS IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIMIT OR THEY'RE GOING TO LIMIT SEMI TRUCKS, 18 WHEELERS NOT BEING ABLE TO COME ONTO THE PROPERTY, HOW IS THE PROPERTY GOING TO GET STRUCTURED.

IS IT OR IS THAT BEFORE THE STRUCTURE THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GET THE SUPPLIES ON THERE TO BUILD IT.

OR IS THAT JUST NONE? NEVER. THEY'LL HAVE AN 18 WHEELER PULL IN THERE OR SEMIS TO DEVELOP TO DELIVER THE EQUIPMENT.

OKAY. SO, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE EXPERTS ON TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT A LITTLE BIT IN MORE CLEAR DETAIL.

IF THEY SAY NO 18 WHEELERS, NO SEMIS WILL BE ON THE PROPERTY.

WELL, IF SOMEBODY SEES A SEMI ON THAT VEHICLE ON THAT PROPERTY, THEN DID THEY JUST LIE TO COUNTY.

WELL BUT AND ALSO I LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THIS ONE HAS PUT SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY OVER THE TOP FOR THE MOST AMOUNT OF PERSONAL STORAGE SPACE IN PER COUNTY, PER PERSON.

AND IT'S IT'S THE EVOLUTION.

THERE'S MORE HOUSES COMING IN, AND SINCE THEY'RE SO COMPACT, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED MORE HOUSES OR, EXCUSE ME, MORE STORAGE THAT'S PUT IN AND THE STORAGE IS THERE FOR MORE HOUSES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PUT ALL THEIR STUFF IN THEIR SMALL HOUSE BECAUSE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT. BUT BUT YEAH.

SO IS IT VISIBLE OR IS IT VIABLE TO SAY 18 WHEELERS OR SEMIS? NOT ON THE VEHICLE, NOT ON THE PROPERTY BEFORE OR AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION? AND YEAH, THAT'S THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON. ED SLAVIN, BOX 304 AT SLAVIN COMM.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR SAVING THE TREES.

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JERRY DIXON AND CARL BLOW AS MEMBERS OF THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PCB FOR YEARS, REASONED WITH APPLICANTS, AND THEIR MORAL REASONING WORKED. THEY'D SAY, CAN'T YOU FLIP THIS BUILDING THIS WAY AND DO THIS AND MOVE IT? THEY SAVED A LOT OF TREES.

GOD. GOD REST.

JERRY DIXON.

SO HE WAS A GREAT GUY, GREAT ARCHITECT.

AND KARL BLOW STILL SERVES THERE ON THE BOARDS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

AND THEY CARE ABOUT TREES IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

WE HOPE THAT THAT IDEA WILL TRANSFER OVER HERE, BUT I'M REALLY GLAD THEY'RE SAVING THOSE TREES NOW.

MISS WHITTINGTON SAID SOMETHING.

SHE USED THE WORD ENTERTAINING IN THE BEGINNING OF HER PRESENTATION.

I'D LIKE HER TO RESPOND IN HER REBUTTAL AND EXPLAIN, AS FREUD WOULD ASK, WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT? WE'VE HAD A FULL DAY OF FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITY, AND APPARENTLY ONE DEVELOPER MOUTHPIECE WANTS TO MOCK AND INSULT AND TRIVIALIZE OUR FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITY RIGHTS ON A DAY WHEN WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT FOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VOTED TO VIOLATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THAT TERM.

ENTERTAINING. WE'RE NOT HERE TO BE ENTERTAINED.

THIS IS DEMOCRACY.

AND IT'S THE WASHINGTON POST SLOGAN SAYS DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS.

NOW, AT 311, THE VICE CHAIR STEPPED OFF THE PODIUM AND WALKED OVER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. COMMANDO, AND SPOKE TO HIM FOR ONE MINUTE.

COULD WE PLEASE HAVE ON THE RECORD A DISCLOSURE OF THE SUBJECT OF THAT CONVERSATION? ALSO, WHEN MR. TAYLOR WALKED UP LATER ON AND SPOKE TO THE CHAIR, WHAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF THEIR CONVERSATION? I REALLY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN COMMISSIONERS HAVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH ATTORNEYS.

NOW, TWICE IN THE SAME MEETING.

I'VE CALLED YOU ALL OUT ON THAT BEFORE.

NO CLASS THAT'S WRONG.

AND MR. ALAIMO WAS THE FELLOW WHO RECOMMENDED THAT THE BCC HIRE MR. COMMANDO ON THE SOLE BASIS THAT HE WAS HIS FRIEND.

NOW, YOU COULD TALK TO YOUR FRIEND ANY TIME YOU WANT, BUT WHEN YOU STEP DOWN FROM THE PODIUM, MR. VICE CHAIR, WHEN YOU STEP DOWN FROM THE PODIUM AND SPEAK TO AN ATTORNEY, THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE ON THE RECORD.

IF YOU'RE SEEKING OR GETTING LEGAL ADVICE IN A COMMISSION MEETING, IT'S OUR BUSINESS.

IT'S THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COUNTY IS THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS IS BEING NEGLECTED AND DISRESPECTED, EVEN BY APPLICANTS FOR ZONING ENTERTAINING.

WHAT DID SHE MEAN BY THAT? IT'S A SORRY DAY IN AMERICA WHEN PEOPLE VIOLATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND THEN THEY HAVE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS SAYING THAT THEY'RE ENTERTAINED.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY TACKY.

IT'S UNSEEMLY.

IT'S TRUMP LIKE ENOUGH.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU. WITH REGARD TO, I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS MR. HUNT'S QUESTION ABOUT THE 18 WHEELERS AND THE SEMIS.

THE END USERS WILL NOT BE USING AND WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE 18 WHEELERS AND SEMIS.

THERE COULD BE SOME LARGER TRUCKS THAN THE THE TRUCKS THAT MR. SCHILLING SHOWED DURING CONSTRUCTION.

BUT THEY WOULD PARK JUST LET'S SEE IF I CAN GO BACK.

NOPE. WON'T LET ME GO BACK THERE.

THESE TRUCKS, THERE COULD BE SOME LARGER TRUCKS THAN THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION.

THEY WOULDN'T BE 18 WHEELERS.

THEY WOULDN'T BE SEMIS, BUT THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND IF ANYTHING, THEY WOULD JUST PULL IN RIGHT HERE AND PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. THEY WOULDN'T MEANDER ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE TO WHERE THE THE SMALLER DELIVERY TRUCKS OF THE USERS WITH THEIR ITEMS BEING STORED WILL BE USED.

AND ALSO I WILL REITERATE, MOST OF THESE UNITS ARE ONLY TEN BY TEN.

THEY'RE NOT FOR WHOLE HOUSEHOLD FURNISHINGS.

THE LARGEST ONES TEN BY 20.

SO IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE THE TURN RADII TO ACCOMMODATE 18 WHEELERS.

AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE ENTERTAINMENT QUESTION IT WAS A BIT OF LEVITY.

FOLLOWING COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST BIT OF LEVITY.

NOTHING WAS INTENDED FROM THAT COMMENT TO ANYBODY TO COMPROMISING BY HIS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

THANK YOU, MISS WHITTINGTON.

OKAY, THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 34 APPROVING PUD 2020 3-09 RIVER SELF STORAGE PUD BASED UPON NINE FINDINGS

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OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SECOND, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.