Jul 15, 2024 Tourist Development Council

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>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> ROLL CALL. EVERYBODY IS HERE. SARAH ARNOLD.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

>> PRESENTS PRAYER -- >> CHARLES COX .

>> HERE. >> MICHAEL GORDON .

>> IRVINE? -- IRVING KASS. >> HERE.

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>> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. I WANT TO MAKE NOTE A CHANGE THERE ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THAT IS AN ACTION ITEM. ITEMS ON THE AGENDA?

>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION. IT MIGHT BE ITEM EIGHT. BUT I KNOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION LAST TIME ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO HANDLE THE SEPARATION OF THE CATEGORY FIVE MONEY. AND IS THAT GOING TO BE RETURNING TO THE BUDGET PORTION?

>> ANYTHING WITH THE BUDGET WILL BE --

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> YOU SAID IN CATEGORY FIVE, WE HAD ACCESS. COMING BACK WITH AN AMOUNT OF HOW MUCH THAT WAS?

>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE . >> OPPOSED? OKAY. FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 17TH

MEETING. >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE . >> OPPOSED? OKAY. AT THIS POINT, WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE PORTAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULARLY CONTROLLED AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD MAY COME FORWARD . PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS . EACH PERSON WILL BE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM AND ADDRESS THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON. THERE MAY NOT BE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM BEING DESTRUCTIVE OR HAVING DEMONSTRATIONS WITH ANY COMMENTS. FINALLY I WOULD ASK

[7. UPDATES FROM TOURISM MARKETING RFP WORKING GROUP]

>> IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA?

NONE. >> SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THAT IS UP DATES FROM THE TOURISM AND MARKETING RFP WORKGROUP.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, BART. DOMINIC -- 8200 -- FLORIDA.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE WORKING GROUP THAT WAS APPOINTED. THREE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE TWO OUT OF THE STATE AND ONE IS -- THE DOCUMENT WE PREPARED FOR YOU IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKETS. SINCE THE APPOINTMENT BY THE TDC IN OCTOBER OF 2023, THE TOURISM MARKETING WORK IN A GROUP CONSISTS OF CHAIR EMILY WILSON -- AND MYSELF. WE HAVE MET DILIGENTLY FOR A TOTAL OF 10 TIMES. I AM PROUD TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AND SHARE THE

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WE ESTABLISHED ROBUST AND TRANSPARENT EVALUATION CRITERIA TO ENSURE THAT ALL PROPOSALS ARE ASSESSED FAIRLY AND EFFECTIVELY , FACILITATING THE SELECTION OF THE MOST TYPICAL AGENCY. ARTHUR TASK WAS ENHANCING THE RFP SOLUTION OR SOLICITATION. RECOGNIZING THE NEED FOR MORE ENHANCED ELICITATION PROCESS EXPANDED THAT REACH BEYOND THE COUNTY'S ADVERTISEMENT ON DEMAND. THIS ENHANCED APPROACH INCLUDES TARGETED POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO ENSURE A DIVERSE POOL OF PROPOSALS. AND FORTH WAS SUGGESTING QUALIFIED EVALUATORS , UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE OF COMPLEXITY OF CREATING THE RFP. THE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP VOLUNTEERED TO REMAIN AS THE EVALUATORS TO ENSURE THE BEST AD AGENCY IS CHOSEN. EXCITED WITH THE PARTNERSHIPS MADE WE ARE CONFIDENT THESE FOUNDATIONAL STEPS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY BENEFIT OUR COUNTY'S TOURISM MARKETING EFFORTS. THIS BRINGS US TO OUR REMAINING TASK AND CRITICAL DECISION. THIS WAS OUR FIFTH AND FINAL TASK. THE FINDING AND MEASURING SUCCESS TO ENSURE ACCOUNTABILITY. IT IS ESSENTIAL WE ESTABLISH CLEAR METRICS AND BENCHMARKS THAT CAN BE EASILY MONITORED BY THE TDC THREE USER FRIENDLY PASSWORD. THIS MATTRESS WILL ALLOW US TO MEASURE SUCCESS AND IDENTIFY AREAS. HOWEVER, BEFORE WE CAN COMPLETE THIS TASK I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF APPROVAL MANAGE WITH THE NEW MARKETING AGENCY. WORKING GROUP UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THE MANAGING AGENCY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FULLY DEDICATE ITS TIME TO WORKING WITH THE AD AGENCY. IN OUR ASSESSMENT , THE -- IS THE IDEAL CANDIDATE FOR THIS ROLE.

THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IT TAKES TO OFFER THIS SERVICE .

THEY HAVE ADDRESSED MAJOR CONCERNS REGARDING TRANSITIONAL STABILITY, CONSISTENCY, AND CONTROL. IMPLEMENTING MAJOR CHANGES SIMULTANEOUSLY CAN DISRUPT OUR MARKETING EFFORTS.

THE ONE YEAR TRANSITION PERIOD UNDER THE DCD GUIDANCE ALLOWS THE NEW AGENCY TO ESTABLISH ITSELF AND OPERATE EFFECTIVELY.

THIS MAINTAINS CONTINUITY WITH THE 1027 MAINTAINS CONTROL WITHIN OUR OPERATIONS, ALLOWING US TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING THE MEASURABLE BENCHMARKS NEEDED TO ENSURE ACCOUNTABILITY. CURRENT TRENDS HAVE ARE WORKING GROUP CONCERNED WITH CHANGE IN THE MANAGEMENT SERVICE CURRENTLY PROVIDED BY THE DCV CAN INCREASE THE RISK OF A DECLINE IN TOURISM. THIS IS THE RISK THAT EXISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY DURING THIS PERIOD OF ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DEVELOP THE RIGHT BENCHMARKS TO ENSURE BOTH THE MANAGEMENT AGENCY TDC SF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TEST LOOKS WHILE MAINTAINING THE DCV'S OVERSIGHT OF THE NEW OVERSIGHT AND MARKETING ADVERTISING. THE WORKING GROUP IS WILLING TO REMAIN IN PLACE FOR UP TO THREE MONTHS TO INTEGRATIVE DASHBOARD THAT DEFINES THE PERFORMANCE, BENCHMARKS, AND METRICS TO ENSURE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY THAT THE TDC ASSESSOR TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND WITH OUR WORK TO ENHANCE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY MARKETING EFFORTS .

>> THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND IT AS AN UPDATE. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO INCLUDE YOUR RECOMMENDATION BOTH FROM THE BOARD AND HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT. OKAY.

>> FIRST OF ALL, TODD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE. WHAT I'VE SEEN LOOKS REALLY, REALLY STRONG.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US AN UPDATE OR IF TERA COULD PROVIDE US AN UPDATE . THE FIRST ITEMS, WHICH EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE REALLY HAPPY WITH . MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE SENT OUT THE RFP . I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW SUCCESSFUL THE FIRST FOUR ITEMS HAVE BEEN . I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OR WHAT FROM THE SOLICITATION STANDPOINT. I KNOW WE ARE HOPING TO SEE

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>> SO ADVERTISING THE RFP, IT WAS ADVERTISED FOR 30 DAYS AND A CLOSED LAST WEEK AND I BELIEVE LAST THURSDAY. SO WE HAVE THOSE PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AGAINST THE QUALIFYING CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE A QUALIFYING PROPOSALS. ONCE A QUALIFIED HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE EVALUATION TEAM. ONCE WE KIND OF GET UP TO THIS POINT IN A BLACKOUT PERIOD, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SHARE MUCH INFORMATION. WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT EVALUATION TEAM WITH THE PROPOSALS OVER THE NEXT, I BELIEVE IT IS TWO WEEKS, 2 1/2 WEEKS. THE WORKING GROUP CAME UP WITH A THREE STEP EVALUATION PROCESS AT THE FIRST STEP IS A WRITTEN REVIEW OR REVIEW OF A WRITTEN PROPOSAL. THAT IS WHAT WAS THE ACQUIRING ORGANIZATIONS WERE INTERESTED IN FOR THE SECOND STEP IS INDIVIDUAL REVIEW. WILL HAVE MEMBERS FROM EACH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WHO SCORED WELL ENOUGH TO PASS THE FIRST STEP TO MEET WITH EVALUATING COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND SOME ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEERS WHO WORKED IN THE DIGITAL -- TO DO A Q&A WITH EACH OF THE RESPONDING AGENCIES. AND THEN THE THIRD STEP IS AN IN PERSON PRESENTATION FROM EACH OF THE WORKSTATIONS. SO A PRESENTATION TO THE EVALUATORS, THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. ON EACH OF THOSE THREE STEPS, IT IS A CLEAN SLATE. IT IS NOT A CUMULATIVE PROCESS. FOR EACH STEP, DURING THE WRITTEN PUZZLE, THE SCORES. AND THEN WE WILL SELECT THE TOP. AT LEAST TWO AND NO MORE THAN FIVE. SET UP FOR THAT FOR EACH STEP OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS WRITTEN IN THE FINAL STEP, THE HIGH-SCORING ORGANIZATION

INAUDIBLE ] >> I UNDERSTAND WE ARE IN A BLACKOUT PERIOD. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR THIS GROUP WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET A UNIVERSE OF, LIKE, 20 OR 30 COMPANIES . I KNOW LAST TIME, WE HAD , I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY IF IT WAS FIVE OR SIX. SO I WOULD MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THERE ARE 25 DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT RESPONDED . I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT IS AN ACCURATE NUMBER? OR IF IT IS MORE? OR LESS. OR HOW IT COMPARES TO THE LAST PROCESS.

DOING THIS WHOLE THING. IT IS TO GET THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST , INCREASE THE BUDGET DID I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE LOOKING AT NO CANDIDATES OR 100. I NEED SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. I'M NOT INTERESTED TWO -- COMPANY. I'M JUST INTERESTED TO SEE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 50 COMPANIES ARE 25 COMPANIES OR ONE COMPANY. TO MAKE IT IS MORE THAN ONE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE. I AM NOT SURE IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT CAN BE SHARED BUT I KNOW WE HAD THE BLACKOUT @BUT I KNOW WE WERE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN SHARE. I'M CONFIDENT EVERYTHING I JUST SHARED WITH YOU IS SHAREABLE. I DON'T KNOW I CAN SHARE ANYTHING ELSE.

>> THAT'S PROBLEMATIC IN MY MIND. IF WE DO NOT HAVE 20 OR 25 PEOPLE TO CHOOSE FROM, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THE BRAKES ON THE PROCESS AND RETHINK THIS AGAIN. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GETTING A HUGE UNIVERSE , THEN ALL THE HARD WORK WE'VE DONE FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, A SMALL UNIVERSE, WE CANNOT BE TOLD FOR A LARGE OR SMALL UNIVERSE. I HAVE, IF WE HAVE THE SMALL UNIVERSE, THAT I HAVE ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO SOLICITATION. AGAIN, THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF -- AND IN THE COUNTY. PEOPLE WHO WOULD'VE CALLED TO MAKE SOLICITATIONS.

I DO NOT KNOW WHERE I'M GETTING INTO LEGALLY. WHAT I AM MOST INTERESTED IN IS WE ARE HIRING THE BEST MARKETING COMPANY FOR THE COUNTY, AND THAT WE GET THE RADIANT THIRD. I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PROCEDURE , BUT I AM MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT HIRING -- COMPANY. I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT

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>> I HAVE SOME CURTAINS ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT -- THE NUMBER OF CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THE RIGHT GROUP IN THERE. AND TODD, HE SAID TWO , OR THE 18TH. I'M CALLING YOU OUR 18 THERE. TWO OF THE EIGHT TEAMS WILL BE OUT OF TOWN. WILL THEY BE OUT OF TOWN TO DO THESE EVALUATIONS MARK IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, WAS THAT TWO WEEKS? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD?

>> IS APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS. YES.

>> ARE WORKING ON A COUPLE OF THESE EXCHANGES. WE CAN PERFORM THOSE ON OUR OWN. IT IS THE REVIEW PROCESS. WE ARE WORKING

ON THAT. >> I DO NOT WANT THE INFORMATION IF IT IS BEFORE PEOPLE -- TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION. THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULES WERE NOT THOSE CUTS WILL START THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT ALL FOUR OF YOU HAVE THE INPUT AND ARE WORKING ON IT. WORKING ON IT FOR A YEAR. IT WOULD BE TERRIBLE IF THEY COULD NOT CREATE IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FAMILY OR SOME GOOD I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. YOU'RE ASKING -- ABOUT MY QUESTION IS HOW EFFECTIVE WAS PROCESS 1234? AND ARE WE ACTIVE WITH THE PROCESS? WHAT I'M HEARING, WE ARE GOING TO EVALUATE, PROCESS 1234, ARE WE HAPPY WITH WHAT IS GOING ON? OR DO WE NEED TO SAY, WAIT A MINUTE? WE ARE NOT GETTING IT THE INTENDED RESULT THAT WE INTENDED TO DO. WE NEED TO BE SMARTER ABOUT THIS. WHEN I DO NOT HEAR SOMEONE COMING UP IN SAYING, WE HAVE 25 OR 50 AND I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HOW WE TRY TO PROACTIVELY SOLICIT THE MARKETING COMPANIES IN THE COUNTRY, I HAVE A HUGE RED FLAG. I THINK WE ARE COMING UP WITH A COMPROMISED DECISION.

EVEN THOUGH I DO NOT KNOW THEY MAY BE THE ONE PERSON OR THE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE RESPONDED MAY BE GREAT. I AM AFRAID WE ARE IN A COMPROMISED POSITION EVEN BEFORE WE START EVALUATING THEM. SO I AM VERY, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE AFTER GOING AN ENTIRE YEAR TO GET A PROCESS THAT WORKS WELL THAT I DO NOT THINK I AM HEARING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN A YEAR AGO. THAT IS A HUGE RED FLAG IN MY MIND. I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. I NEEDED EXPLAINED TO ME LIKE I AM IN SECOND GRADE. HOW THIS PROCESS WORKED AND HOW WE SOLICITED THE 100 BEST FIRMS IN THE COUNTRY THAT WOULD SPEND $4 MILLION. WE NEEDED A POINT TO RAISE THE BUDGET 2 1/2 TO 4 MILLION . I THINK WE HAD AT LEAST 25 PEOPLE WHO APPLIED FOR THAT IS NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO THIS. I AM NOT HEARING THAT. I AM CONCERNED.

>> IF I MAY? ONE OF THE TASKS THAT THE WORKING GROUP ADDRESSED OR CONSIDERED AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHEN WE TOOK ACTION ON WAS THE NUMBER THREE . THAT WAS ENHANCING THE FREE SOLICITATION. AND SO THE COMPANY USES -- WE ADVERTISE RFP THROUGH DEMAND START. THAT IS A SOLICITATION SYSTEM THAT IS CURRENTLY USED BY GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. AND THE WORKING GROUP CAME UP WITH A LIST OF ROUGHLY, I THINK IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 25 ADDITIONAL AGENCIES WHO ARE GOING TO DIRECTLY IMPLY THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE FOR THEM TO BID ON. AND SO THE WAY THIS WAS SOLICITED WAS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THAT RIGHT THERE. THOSE TWO PIECES. ADVERTISING THROUGH DEMAND START FOR THOSE 30 DAYS. THE AGENCIES THAT WERE COMPILING A LIST WHICH WAS PROVIDED BY OUR WORKING GROUP COLLECTIVELY.

THEY WERE SENT AN EMAIL LETTING THEM KNOW THAT, I BELIEVE, THEY MAY HAVE INFORMED WE ARE HAVING THIS RFP . THAT COULD BE

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>> IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION OF LEGAL? UNDERSTAND THERE IS GRANDMOTHERS FOR THE ACKOUT. COULD WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE RESPONSES AS ONE OF THEM?

>> ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. THERE WERE THREE FIRMS THAT

RESPONSE. >>'S RESPONSES ?

>> IS ITS RESPONSES TOTAL? >> RESPONSES. SO THAT BEING WE ARE ACCEPTING AMPLIFICATION -- APPLICATIONS.

>> THE QUALIFICATIONS. >> THAT, TO ME -- AN WHETHER SOME THE DID MEET QUALIFICATIONS?

>> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> THEY'RE NOT REACHING ANY. >> MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN IS OUR METHOD OF SOLICITATION AND ENCOURAGING THE RIGHT PEOPLE WHO APPLIED TO APPLY. THAT WAS PROBABLY 80% OF THE CRUX OF OUR CONCERN LAST TIME. IT WAS GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO SIGN UP AND APPLY SO WE CAN CONSIDER. GET THE BEST OF THE BEST. AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT , HOW WE CONTACTED THESE TOP 100 AGENCIES OF THE COUNTRY TO GET THEM MOTIVATED TO APPLY.

DO IN GETTING PEOPLE TO CONSIDER AN RFP. WE WOULD HAVE MORE THAN THREE TO SELECT FROM. OKAY. THAT IS JUST, I AM JUST SAYING, I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE UNIVERSE. NOW THAT I HEAR IT IS THREE, I WOULD ASSUME WORST CASE SCENARIO IS TEMPTED BUT HEARING IT IS THREE, I AM NOT SURE WE GET AN A ON OUR END OF THIS. WE ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY, BUT POTENTIALLY, WE ARE COMPROMISING THE TOURISM INDUSTRY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WE ARE NOT DOING PROPER SOLICITATION. TO ME, IT IS ABOUT $100 MILLION A YEAR ISSUE.

IT IS 13,000 TO 20,000 JOBS ON THE LINE TO DO THIS RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE ARE GETTING IT RIGHT. I'M HAVING A REAL

DIFFICULT TIME. >> WHAT I HEARD IS, I THINK THE NUMBER WAS OUT THERE. I THINK YOU SAID, LIKE, 3000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE SOME MORE RESPONSES. ONLY THREE QUALIFIED. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS BUT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT EVEN UNTIL AFTER OUR 18 -- WHEN THEY COME BACK AND SAY, NONE OF THESE , IS WORTHY OF THIS? I WILL BE MORE CONCERNED THAN WHAT I AM RIGHT NOW. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS MAKING SURE THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT WE HAND SELECTED TO DO THIS JOB LEAD AT THEIR EYES ON IT. AND IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY, NONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO WORK, WE DO

NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. >> LET ME TROT MY OTHER CONCERN. AND THAT IS THE SUBJECT THAT TODD BROUGHT UP AT THE END. HOW THAT IS GOING TO BE MANAGED. FOR A YEAR NOW, WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO STOP THE PROCESS IF WE MANAGE THIS INSIDE THE COUNTY. IT IS GOING TO BE MANAGED OUTSIDE. I AM QUESTIONING NOW IF WE ACTUALLY COMMUNICATED THAT AGENCIES OF HOW IT WAS GOING TO BE MANAGED.

IT IS A LOT OF MARKETING COMPANIES TO NOT WANT TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE COUNTY. THEY WANT TO WORK WITH THE PROJECT ORGANIZATION. SO I DON'T KNOW AN HOUR OR COMMUNICATION IF WE HAVE NOT SETTLED THIS ISSUE. WE HAVE POSSIBLY CAUSED SOME OF THE MORTALITY AGENCIES NOT TO APPLY. I THINK THAT IS, I THINK WE'RE DOING A HUGE DISSERVICE TO THE INDUSTRY. AND WE ARE,

THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. SO . >> LIKE TODD SAID -- SORRY.

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>> IS GOING TO SAY, THEY BEAT TODD NEEDS TO COME BACK DOWN.

TODD, WOULD YOU COME BACK DOWN FOR A MINUTE? OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS WE RECENTLY HAD THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN THE ROOM. DIRECTLY ASKING THEM. RIGHT? AND FORTUNATELY TODAY, WE DO. I THINK WE ARE HEARING THE CONCERNS. AND MAYBE IF YOU PROVIDED SOME INPUT ON THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP? IT IS A SMALL GROUP THAT I'M SURE YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD IN LIGHT INTO THE THINKING OF THE OTHER

MEMBERS OF THE GROUP. >> IN REGARDS TO NUMBER THREE.

THAT IS HOW IT WAS SOLICITED. AND OBVIOUSLY, IRVING HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SOLICITATION PROCESS. MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US A SENSE OF WHETHER THE FOUR OF YOU SHARE THAT CONCERN?

>> SO WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER TO DEVELOP NUMBER THREE SPECIFICALLY, WE INTERNALLY WENT TO OUR PROPERTIES OR WHEREVER WE WORK IN THE INDUSTRY. AND COLLECTED NAMES OF AGENCIES THAT WE KNEW COULD POSSIBLY FIT THE PARAMETER TO BE REGISTERED PREVIOUS TIME. WE LOOKED AT WHERE THEY ARE AT. WE LOOKED AT WHO RESPONDED TO I THINK IT WAS FLORIDA'S LIST. THERE IS A NUMBER OF AGENCIES THERE. SO THEN WHAT BACK AND LOOKED AT SPECIFIC AGENCIES. WE GAVE FEEDBACK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH AND PROVIDE THAT EMAIL DIRECTLY.

USED TO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION. REACHING OUT TO WHOEVER WAS IN CHARGE OF THAT. THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS . WE SENT OVER THE PRP.

>> IT BASICALLY SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THE NET WAS CAST WIDE

ENOUGH. >> YET. WE, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, MARKETING AND AM WORKING ON. I ASKED MY PR AGENCY. AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF AGENCIES. AND WE HAD THEM IN THE RFP PROCESS. EVERYBODY ELSE DID THE SAME . IF YOU WERE TO GET -- IN FRONT OF US. THE NUMBER THAT IS CORRECT. IF YOU GUYS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY. IF THERE WAS NOT A HIGH LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM OR NOT A LOT OF COMPETENCE IN ANY OF THE PROPOSALS YOU SHARED AT THAT

TIME, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. BACK AT THAT POINT, THEN THE CONVERSATION MIGHT BE, OKAY. IF YOU COME BACK AND YOU ARE VERY CONFIDENT, ONE OF THE CANDIDATES THAT YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN, IF YOU LIKE YOU DID YOUR JOB ADEQUATELY.

>> I THINK THAT IS WHY WE CREATED THIS PROCESS. WE ASKED FOR THE RFP AND IF WE COULD PROVIDE RESULT . WORKING GROUP TOGETHER. WE THEN HAVE THE DIGITAL MARKETING ASSET. THAT WAS A CRITICAL COMPONENT NOT ALL OF US ON THE BOARD ON THE WORKING GROUP OUR EXPERT IN DIGITAL MARKETING. THEY DO A LOT OF THAT. AND THEY HAD SOME GOOD COMMENTS AND FEED BACK.

THIS WAS THE SECOND KIND OF THING TO DEVELOP MOVING FORWARD. AND WE WOULD GO WITH TWO , PROBABLY TWO, NO MORE THAN FIVE. FINAL IN-PERSON PRESENTATIONS WHERE THEY HAD TO BRING EVERYBODY WITH THEM. TALKING ABOUT THE SALES MANAGER AND THEIR FIRM. WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK. AND LASTLY, WE WERE ASKED ABOUT WHO SHOULD MANAGE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY COULD WE HAVE A LOT OF THE -- DISCUSSION. THE EXPERIENCE WITH IT AND GIVING THE CONTINUITY. DOING IT RIGHT NOW. AND MOVING FORWARD. SO

THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. >>

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>> PRETTY MUCH. I HAVE DIFFERENT CONCERNS NOW FROM WHAT I HAD. I THINK YOU ANSWER THAT.

>> I'VE A HUGE ISSUE ON THE SOLICITATIONS . I THINK IT IS GREAT WE GOT THE NAMES , IF I WAS DOING THIS SEARCH MYSELF.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD'VE DONE AS I WOULD'VE PERSONALLY CALLED THE CEO OF EACH COMPANY AND SAID, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO THE SPEC. LOOK FOR AN EMAIL. AN EMAIL CAME. THE LAPTOP EVERY DAY, I GET 500 EMAILS. HOW EASY IS IT TO MISS AN EMAIL? PRETTY EASY. IF I GET A CALL FROM SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY CALLING THE CEO OF A COMPANY TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO GET THE RIGHT PERSON, YOU DO THE RIGHT THINGS BUT SENDING OUT AN EMAIL AND HOPING SOMEONE READS IT, THAT IS HOPING. THAT IS SORT OF THE DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK IN MY MIND. TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE TOP 100 PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO OUR RFP. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED. WE DID NOT GET THEM TO RESPOND. IN MY OWN PERSONAL BUSINESS EXPERIENCE, I WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. FOR ALL THE COMPANIES I WOULD WANT TO WORK THROUGH. SPEAKING TO THE CEO. SO I'M INTERESTED IN GETTING THE RIGHT ANSWER. NOT THE PROCEDURE.

>> WHAT MOTION WOULD YOU HAVE ON THAT?

>> I WANT PURCHASING TO EXPLAIN HOW AGGRESSIVELY THEY WENT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE RIGHT PERSON. NOT THAT WE SENT OUT EMAILS . TO ME, THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE .

>> I DO NOT LIKE THE ANSWER. NOT BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE RIGHT

ADVERTISING AGENT. >> MADAM CHAIR? MADAM CHAIR? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET IN. MY NUMBER ONE QUESTION IS HOW MANY , YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL THIS WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH THE BLACKOUT. HOW MANY COMPANIES WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ACTUALLY ASKED OR A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION BACK? USUALLY WHEN YOU DO THE RFP, YOU HAVE SOME INQUIRY OF, OKAY, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION IF I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS BUT HOW MANY COMPANIES ACTUALLY ASKED THE QUESTION FOR MORE INFORMATION? DO WE KNOW

THAT NUMBER ? >> I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME. WE DID HAVE SOME OUTREACH FROM THE PLAN HOLDERS.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT RECEIVED THE RFP FOR THERE IS A QUESTION-AND-ANSWER PROCESS AS FAR AS WHICH COMPANY ASKED WHICH QUESTIONS BUT I'LL HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT TO GIVE YOU

THE SPECIFIC DETAILS. >> I'M JUST LOOKING, I MEAN, IT COULD BE IN THE BALLPARK . OF THE 100 COMPANIES OUT OF 3000? IS IT 20 OUT OF 3000 THAT ACTUALLY ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION? THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT HIT. I AM NOT BIDDING. THEY JUST DO NOT IT. THEY DO, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATE OF WORK. AND THEY DO NOT. MOST OF THE BIGGER COMPANIES, THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT YOU'LL GET NEGOTIATED WORK GOOD YOU WILL NOT GET, YOU KNOW, GOOD WORK. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, I DO NOT INC. IT IS FOR YOU. WHAT WE HAVE LEFT ON THE PCB CONTRACT? IS IT THE END OF THE YEAR? IT IS NOT LIKE LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

>> YES, THE EXISTING CONTRACT IS UNDER A 12 MONTH EXTENSION.

THOUGH ACTUALLY, IT SHOULD'VE BEEN TERMINATED LAST SEPTEMBER.

2023. A 12 MONTH EXTENSION WAS PROVIDED. SO IT EXPIRES IN

SEPTEMBER 2024. >> IN TWO MONTHS. OKAY. THAT IS EVEN SHORTER THAN I THOUGHT.

>> AND OTHER QUESTION. TWO , I GUESS. HOW LONG WAS RFP OUT FOR? CONSIDERING FOURTH OF JULY. SO HOW MANY TOTAL WEEKS WAS IT OUT FOR ? AND SUBTRACTING THE FOURTH OF JULY WEEK. PROBABLY PRETTY ACCENT OF RFP RIGHT NOW.

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>> IT WAS BROADCAST ON JUNE 18TH. AND THE DUE DATE WAS JULY

11TH. >> ABOUT FOUR WEEKS. AND THEN FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS. OKAY. ON THE OTHER ONE, THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME AS WELL. IS THE PCB ALLOWED TO SEND OUT THE RFP AS A SOURCE AGREEMENT HAVING THE PAST? AND IF THEY DID NOT, WHY

WAS THAT NOT ALLOWED? >> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?

>> WHEN WE DO THE RFP LIKE THE CITY, WE HAVE A SINGLE SOURCE PERSON . THAT IS A SINGLE SOURCE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY. SOMETIMES, THAT SINGLE SOURCE IS ALLOWED TO SEND OUT THE RFP. IT IS UNDER THEIR GUIDELINES TO SEND IT OUT. WERE THEY ALLOWED TO SET IT OUT? HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST?

>> THIS RFP ? MARKETING? >> JUST AS BEING A SINGLE SOURCE FOR THE COUNTY, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO SEND OUT THE RFP?

>> I DO NOT THINK THOSE TWO ARE RELATED, TO BE TOTALLY HONEST.

THE WAY THIS IS SET UP AS THE CULTURAL COUNCIL HAS INDEPENDENT CONTRACT OF EACH OTHER. THEY CONTRACT WITH US.

THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THEIR CONTRACTS. WHATEVER THEY'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE FROM THE FUNDS. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND GET THE QUOTES FOR THAT TO GET VERBAL QUOTE , OR THEY HAVE TO DO A FUND TO SOLICITATION. THEY DO FORMAL SOLICITATIONS ONCE THEY EXCEED THAT THRESHOLD THAT USED TO BE 50,000. NOW IT IS CLOSER TO 200,000. THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE THE RFP PROCESS WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION TO PROCURE THOSE HIGH DOLLAR

SERVICES THAT SPEND TDT FUNDS . >> SO THAT TDC CANNOT SEND OUT THE RFP TO GET THE MONEY AND ADVERTISING AGENCY TO SEND IT

OUT? >> A CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY, THAT IS HOW THIS WAS DRAFTED THEY WOULD NOT AUTHORIZE TO TO ELICITATION PROCESS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY. THROUGHOUT THAT WAS THE QUESTION. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE NEVER DONE THAT

BEFORE? >> RAGE.

>> ACTUALLY, FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, THAT IS HOW WE HAVE DONE IT. I THINK WE ARE CROSSING THEIR. THEY WERE A SOLE-SOURCE.

THEY WERE A SOLE-SOURCE RED THEY WERE NOT PUTTING OUT THE RFP PACIFICALLY FOR THE COUNTY. THEY WERE DOING IT FOR

THEMSELVES AND >> IF I CAN, ALMOST, ALMOST.

LAUGHTER ] SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SOLE-SOURCE OR A SINGLE SOURCE THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. SO THE COUNTY HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE VISITOR INFORMATION DRUG. WE HAVE HAD A CONTRACT WITH THE CONVENTION BUREAU FOR NUMBER OF YEARS. THEY HAVE DONE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SERVICES FOR US WITH THAT CONTRACT. WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE CAPTURED MANY OF THE THINGS THAT TDC DOESN'T HOUSE WITH ACTUAL EMPLOYEES.

THE FOLKS REPORT TO WORK RIGHT HERE . WE HAVE CAPTURED THOSE AS PART OF THIS TDC CORE SERVICES CONTRACT IT IS A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT THAT GOES THROUGH 2028, I BELIEVE IT SEPTEMBER OF 2028. THE TDC HAS HISTORICALLY ALSO BEEN OUR MARKETING AGENCY. THE MARKETING AGENCY FOR THAT WORK. THAT IS

WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE. >> SO CURRENTLY, THERE IS A CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY. AND THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH -- THE COUNTY CONTRACT MARKETING SERVICES EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30TH. THAT IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR CORE SERVICES. WILL MAINTAIN THAT AS A CONTRACTOR FOR FOUR YEARS AFTER SEPTEMBER 30TH TO DO ALL OF THE LOVELY THINGS THAT SUSAN DOES WITH HER STAFF. THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE ORGANIZATION TRIPS. BLOCK BOOKINGS, CONVENTION SALES.

SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGEMENT, WEBSITE MANAGEMENT BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS FOR THOSE ARE CORE SERVICES BUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR MARKETING SERVICES. AND THAT IS TESTING PROVIDED BY PETER MAYER AS A SUBCONTRACTOR. TO THE CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY. SO IT IS A DIFFERENT SET UP. THAT IS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME. AND IT WOULD TO PLACE AROUND 2008 HAS NEVER BEEN UP TO RFP. THERE'S BEEN PROBLEMS WITH

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THE CULTURAL PIECE SQUARED AWAY. WE HAVE GOTTEN THE SCARED AWAY. -- SQUARED AWAY. THIS IS THE MARKETING PIECE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

USE OF THE COUNTY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT. WHAT IS THE COUNTY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH? THE PROBLEM WITH THE W

>> IT IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DCV. IT IS A PROBLEM, IT IS A REQUIREMENT TO PROCURE OUR SERVICES AND OUR GOODS IN A WAY THAT ENSURES WE ARE DOING SO EFFICIENTLY, EFFECTIVELY , AND APPROPRIATELY. THAT IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THE SOURCE.

>> IS THAT IS COMING THROUGH THAT PROCUREMENT PORTION OF IT?

>> WELL, HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE PROCUREMENT PORTION IS WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH THAT PORTION OF IT.

>> I'M TRYING TO GET THE SOURCE OF AVERRED IS THAT IN COMPLIANCE. IS IT WITHIN COUNTY ORDINANCES ITSELF? OR IS IT IN THE STATE? WHERE IS THAT? YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL HAVE TO DO AN EXTENSION AGAIN ON THE DCV. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH SPINNING OUR WHEELS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS WITH THIS. BUT WHO IS SAYING THAT THIS HAS TO BE DONE THIS WAY? AND AT WHAT

LEVEL? >> SO THE COUNTY HAS A PURCHASING POLICY WHICH IS ESTABLISHED BY AN ORDINANCE FOR THAT PURCHASING POLICY HAS PROCUREMENT AT CERTAIN DOLLAR THRESHOLDS WITH FOLLOWS A CERTAIN THRESHOLD FOR THEIR INFORMAL PROCESSES , NOT FORMAL PROCESSES, DEPENDING ON THE DOLLAR THRESHOLD OF THOSE PURCHASES.

THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR ESTABLISHING CONTRACTOR SERVICES.

>> OKAY. SO THE UPC CAN ADDRESS THAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO CHANGE

THAT . >> CORRECT.

>> >> ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

HOWEVER, WE CANNOT HAVE A CONTRACT LONGER THAN NECESSARY TO PROCURE THE SERVICES. WE NEED TO PROCURE THE SERVICES BY SEPTEMBER 30TH TO BE COMPLIANT BEFORE THE STATUTE. BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME THIS YEAR. THAT WE CONTINUE THE CONTRACT FOR.

WHAT THAT DEEMED REALLY NECESSARY TO PROCURE THE SERVICES BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS? WE WOULD NEED TO GET A CONTRACT AND BY SEPTEMBER 30TH.

>> IN MY FOLLOW-UP ESTIMATE THAT IS, WE WENT TO THE PROCESS AND AM STILL IN THE PROCESS. REALLY, THOSE WERE KIND OF STUCK IN A HOLDING PATTERN. I WOULD ASK IF WE HAD AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION ON OUR PROCUREMENT , BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS OUT. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CONTROL THE STATE DOLLARS COMING BACK TO .

>> THE FLORIDA STATUTE TYPICALLY ONLY LASTS FOR SIX YEARS AND WE CONTINUED IT FOR A YEAR.

>> OKAY BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LOOK ESTATE ATTORNEY OR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION ON THIS.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I STILL AM NOT CLEAR ABOUT THE MOTION. WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM LEGAL IS WE CANNOT CONTINUE WHAT WE HAVE AFTER SEPTEMBER 30TH? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU?

>> THAT IS DIRECT . >> YEAH, WE NEED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION ON THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. OR WE WILL BE STUCK WITHOUT ANYTHING IF WE ARE NOT READY FOR THIS.

>> I BELIEVE WHAT WAS THE MOTION WAS , IF THIS IS GOING TO BE MANAGED ONCE WE PICK AN AGENCY, IS IT GOING TO BE MANAGED INSIDE THE COUNTY OR OUTSIDE THE COUNTY? AND THAT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. IT HAS BEEN SUBJECT THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENCE OF THE UNIONS IN THE INDUSTRY FOR THREE YEARS NOW. THEN MOST EVERYONE I HAVE SPOKEN TO. THEY ARE ADAMANT THAT IT IS DONE PRIVATELY AND

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I WOULD ADVOCATE BRINGING THAT TO A VOTE. NO MATTER HOW WE COME UP WITH IT, IT WILL BE MANAGED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE

PROFESSIONAL WITHIN. >> MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD AGREE.

BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US, IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE REMAINING TASK , THEIR FINAL TEST, THAT THEY WANT TO ESTABLISH A MANAGEMENT PORTION OF THIS GOOD THEY WANT TO UNEQUIVOCALLY ASSIGN THAT MANAGEMENT PORTION TO THE DCV.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> I AGREE THAT IS THING WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND CAN THAT ARE NOW. CHECK IF I MAY? COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. AS FAR AS THE ISSUES BEING BROUGHT UP BY THE COUNCIL TODAY, AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY , I THINK WE CAN AGREE ON THE EVALUATION PROCESS DID GET AN OPINION -- PROCESS.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE COME BACK AND DO SOMETHING.

>> BASICALLY, PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS YOU MARK

>> YET. THE EVALUATION. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION IMMEDIATELY. IN A LEGAL OPINION.

>> SO I GUESS WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT I DID NOT PUT THIS AS AN ACTION ITEM HERE TODAY. FOR RIGHT OF REASONS. ONE IS THAT, ALTHOUGH CERTAINLY, THE TASK FORCE IS LOOKING FOR CONTINUED INPUT FROM THE TDC, AND THE STATEMENT , VOLUNTEERING TO CONTINUE TO VOLUNTEER FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS TO HELP

US KIND OF WORK THROUGH THIS. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PIECES HERE. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES ACTION TODAY. CERTAINLY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO DO SO. HOWEVER, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT NEED TO REGROUP HERE AND GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AND COME BACK AND SHARE SOME ADDITIONAL INFO WITH Y'ALL NEXT TIME. YOU ARE NOT, IT IS NOT AN ACTION REQUIRED ITEM BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY. THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE THING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS. THIS IS KIND OF THE ONGOING PROCESS BUT WE HAVE AN UPCOMING DEADLINE OF SEPTEMBER 30TH FOR THE EXPIRATION OF THE EXISTING CONTRACT EVER, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE RATE SIX PROCESS WHETHER THE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW MANY FOLKS HAVE RESPONDED, WE DO EVALUATION, LOOK AT THOSE, SEE IF THEY ARE QUALIFIED, BUT IF THEY ARE QUALITIES GOING AND EVALUATE THEM. WHAT WE HAD. AND SO WE HAVE THAT, THAT BALL IS ROLLING. AND SO THIS IS A TANGENT BALL IF YOU WILL. BUT IT IS THE ROLLING. WE DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS TODAY.

>> OF YOUR INTERESTING DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE I THINK I AGREE WITH -- RECOMMENDATION. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR OFFERING TO STAY.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT IS EQUAL TO THIS DISCUSSION WHERE HAVING ABOUT MANAGING THE MARKETING. TO THAT EXTENT. SO DEVELOPING MEASURABLE PERFORMANCE AND CHARTS FORWARD.

THAT IS A MORE IMPORTANT DISCUSSION FOR THE DAY. THAT'S THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK IT IS ON US. I SEE THOSE AS VERY IMPORTANT.

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>> SO THAT IS ANOTHER STEP FOR US?

>> IS A HUGE STEP.

>> SHORT. >> MADAM CHAIR? I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DELAYING WHO IS GOING TO MANAGE . IN FACT, I HAD ASKED A WEEK AGO WHEN I KNEW THE MEETING WAS COMING UP. TO HAVE THIS ADDED TO THE AGENDA TO GIVE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM PROPER TIME TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK ON THIS SUBJECT BEFORE THIS MEETING. AND I WAS TOLD IT WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA. THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IT AND TAKE ACTION TODAY. SO I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH DELAYING IT. BECAUSE WE JUST KEEP ON TAKING COMPLICATED DECISIONS AND MOVING TO THE NEXT MEETING. ED IS BEEN TWO YEARS WE HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION, IS THE COUNTY OR THE DCV GOING TO MANAGE THE MARKETING AGENCY? I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH INDIVIDUALS A YEAR AGO AT THIS TIME. I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE TWO YEARS AGO AT THIS TIME. THIS SUBJECT IS GOING TO BE THE EXACT SAME SUBJECT NEXT MONTH AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. I ADVOCATE THAT WE UNEQUIVOCALLY STATE WHAT OUR POSITION IS. SO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS KNOW HOW THE ENROLLMENT COUNSELOR -- COUNCIL FEELS ON HOW IT IS GOING TO BE MANAGED BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS 1/9 OF THE OPINION HERE, THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOBODY IN INDUSTRY IS INTERESTED IN GOING BACK TO THE COUNTY SOLUTION TO VOTE ON IT.

>> THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ON THIS. I HAVE SAT ON THIS BOARD FOR SEVEN YEARS. THERE IS BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF FRUSTRATION , ESPECIALLY THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND WHERE IT IS THAT AND I FEEL THAT ANYBODY THAT CAME TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS CAN SEE HOW WE BASICALLY FEEL ABOUT THIS. AND THAT IS MET WITH THE ROADBLOCK EACH TIME. I FEEL LIKE COMING UP AND TELLING US THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. I APPRECIATE THIS. WE HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE. HERE IS THE DIRECTION WE WOULD LIKE TO GO. WE PUT THIS INTO PLACE.

THINGS LIKE YEAR AGO. WE HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. BUT WE HAVE TO REMOVE THESE ROADBLOCKS. TODD, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU. IT IS DIFFICULT AND TIME CAN MAKE. BUT I THINK IT IS -- WE HAVE NOT VOTED YET. IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE TO GO THROUGH THESE ROADBLOCKS TOGETHER.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> IN LIFE THERE IS ALWAYS COMPROMISE , RIGHT? AND I FEEL THAT A GOOD COMPROMISE TODAY, WHICH I THINK WOULD, BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD RIGHT NOW. WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DCV TO MANAGE THE CONTRACT BUT I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING, RIGHT? AND I ALSO THINK A COMPROMISE, TO URBAN'S CREDIT AS WELL, IS, LET'S LET THE PROCESS FINISH. THEY CAN DENY THE THREE, FIVE, SEVEN, WHATEVER BUT I THINK THERE IS THREE. THEY CAN DENY THOSE THREE. AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT HOW WE CAN CAST THE NET, IRVING KASS, EVEN FURTHER, TO MAKE THAT A BETTER SOLUTION. I THINK AS WE COMPROMISE HERE, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THROUGH THE SOLE-SOURCE AS POSSIBLE, THEY CONTINUE MANAGEMENT OF THE CONTRACT READ AND ALSO I THINK WE ALLOW STAFF IN THE WORKING GROUP TO CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH I DID THE MATH. THERE WERE 13 DAYS THAT THIS WAS OUT ON THE STREET . 13 BUSINESS DAYS. THAT IS A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT I KNOW THERE WAS A RUSH TO GET THIS DONE. THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT TIME. THERE IS AN ADAGE OF THE ENDING. THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS HAPPENING.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY. THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE COMPROMISE SHOULD BE TODAY.

>> IF I MAY? AS PART OF THE COUNTY PROCUREMENT POLICY. WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS RELATED TO SOLE-SOURCE AND SINGLE SOURCE.

THERE IS A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE FOLLOWED IN ORDER TO DO

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PROCESS. >> QUESTION?

>> MAYOR? UNDER YOUR MOTION, THE RECOMMENDING THAT THE WORKING GROUP CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE MEASURABLE BENCHMARKS? OKAY. TO ME, THAT IS

SECOND THAT. >> OKAY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION REAL QUICK. WE CAN MAKE THIS MOTION. WE CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEGAL EVALUATION.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU.

>> THERE IS A MOTION. YOU WANT TO RESTATE THAT?

>> YEAH, THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THE WORKING GROUP TO GO THROUGH THE EVALUATION PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE TIMELY . THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO VENT OUT THE REMAINING RESPONDENTS BID AND ALSO TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT MANAGED BY THE DCV FOR LEGAL RECOMMENDATION .

>>

>> I AM SUSAN PHILLIPS WITH THE VISITORS AND CONVENTION BUREAU.

I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING BUT IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING ABOUT INGLE AND SOUL SOURCE THAT I BROUGHT OUR ATTORNEY WITH US TODAY. I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED IN OUR CURRENT FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT THAT I WANTED HIM TO SHARE THAT IN REMISSION WITH YOU.

>> I KNOW MANY OF YOU KNOW ME. I HAVE BEEN A LAWYER THAT OFTEN APPEARS IN THIS AUDITORIUM. I ALSO USE TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE PRIOR AUDITORIUM. DEBORAH KNAPP, ST. JOHNS LAGER. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS OR SO NOW. I WANT TO SAY, MOST OF YOUR CONTINUING CONSULTANT WHEN THE COUNTY GOES TO HIRE SOMEONE, IT IS 287. 055. THERE ARE COVER CATEGORIES OF THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THEIR THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND PROCURE THOSE IN THE PROCESS READ WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THE STATUTE IS THOSE LISTED PEOPLE GET IF THE COUNTY HIRES AN ENGINEER, AN ARCHITECT, A SURVEYOR, THOSE KIND OF RINGS.

ONE GREAT EXAMPLE THAT FORTUNE HE BENEFITS ME IS, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO OUT FOR SOLICITATION IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A LAWYER.

OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOLE SOURCING. SPECIFICALLY, THE STATUTE IN T87. 57 HAS A SPECIFIC SECTION ABOUT SOLE SOURCING BUT IF YOU GO AND READ THE DCV CONTRACT. WE KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOREVER. AS WELL AS THE TDC. WHEN YOU READ THE CONTRACT, THE LANGUAGE THAT IS IN BEAR , I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG, BUT A LONG TIME. HAS AN THIRD-PARTY CONTRACT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND ALLOWS THEM TO DO EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THERE. IT IS ALL IN THE CONTRACT. SO THIS WHOLE PROCESS COULD ACTUALLY, WHEN ACCESSING FILTRATION , THERE MAY BE A LOT OF REASONS. THE APPROACH FROM RFP BEING ANY DIFFERENT THAN ONE DONE BY -- SO YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH, A DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS AND HOW THAT WILL BE HANDLED. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS OF WHERE THEY CAN HANDLE THAT AND CAN DO THAT. THAT HAS ALREADY ACTUALLY BEEN IN THE CONTRACT THAT YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE GOT TWO MONTHS. WHEN IT BECOMES A STRESSOR REAL QUICK FROM THE DCV IN THE COUNTY ALIKE GET TO TRY TO GET PROGRESS ON ANOTHER WHEN YOUR AMENDMENT BUT I WILL TELL YOU, JUST FOR THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE EXISTING CONTRACT IN PLACE THAT HAS THIS LANGUAGE BY THE WAY, THE ONE THING WE HAVE NOT HEARD. CHAPTER 187 HAS BEEN AMENDED AND WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE.

>> THERE'S NOT BEEN THAT CHANGE IN FLORIDA STATUTE .

THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS, AND SAID WE HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE.

THE WAY THE DCV IS ALWAYS BEEN TREATED IN THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN WRITTEN , IT ALLOWS THIS PROCESS AND TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS. ISSUED ON AN EXTENSION, YOU CLEARLY HAVE, IF ANYTHING, ACTUALLY MORE EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS A GREAT SITUATION FOR SOLE SOURCING. AND TO DO THE RFP IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. CONTINUE WITH THE TIME. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE HAVE GOTTEN THREE OUNCES, MAY BE, THAT ARE ACTUALLY FOUND TO MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE EVALUATED IN THAT PROCESS. WITH

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DECADE PLUS SO HE. >> GOOD MORNING. IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? HEARING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSE.

>> OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION TO HAVE THE WORKING COMMITTEE CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF EVALUATION ON THE REMAINING RESPONDENTS WE HAVE AND KEEPING THE VCD PLACE OF CONTRACTUAL

MANAGEMENT? >> YEAH, THE SINGLE SOURCE INAUDIBLE ] GETTING AN OPINION ON THAT EARLIER.

>> SO WE ARE VOTING ON ITEM --

>> FOR THE MARKETING. >> ARE THE MARKETING.

>> YES. YES.

>> YES. >> YES.

>> CHARLES COX. YES. >> MICHAEL GORDON.

>> YES . IRVING KASS. >> YES . CHARLES COX.

>> YES.

>> MICHAEL GORDON . >> YES

>> THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO LEAVE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I DO HAVE THANK YOU.

[8. DISCUSSION OF FY25 TOURISM BUDGET]

>> I ASSUME WE ARE DONE WITH SECTIONS SEVEN?

>>

>> WHY NOT? OKAY. NUMBER EIGHT. DISCUSSION OF FY25 BUDGET.

>> OKAY. SO WE BEGAN THE DISCUSSION LAST MONTH. FOR THE BUDGET AND WITHDRAW THE BUDGET SHEETS . DURING THAT DISCUSSION, WHICH STARTED IN THE PRIOR MONTH, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE LIMITS FROM THE TDC FOR SOME OF THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE. FIREWORKS. -- CENTERS.

ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. WE EXPECT THEY WILL BE TAKEN THAT RECOMMENDATION UP FOR REVIEW IN AUGUST. IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT REQUEST TO REMOVE THOSE LIMITS , THE MOST ABILITIES HAVE PROVIDED THE UPDATED REQUEST FOR FY25. ALL OF THOSE REQUESTS IMPACT THE BUDGET OF 2024 PRODIGIOUSLY, IN THE PRIOR MEETING, WE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS , WHO WERE CONTRACTED BY THE STATE BUDGET REDUCTIONS TO THEIR ARTS AND CULTURAL LIMITS FROM INAUDIBLE ] SO SINCE I LAST GAME OR FOR YOU GUYS ENSURE THE

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INAUDIBLE ] >> THE GRANTS FROM THAT 725 UP TO $1 MILLION. SO KIND OF JUMPING INTO THE CATEGORY FOUR BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE I SHARE THESE SHEETS WITH YOU GUYS.

WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE CITY REQUEST , CUMULATIVELY , WHERE THEY SHOW ON THE BUDGET AND KIND OF WHAT THAT IMPACT LOOKS LIKE THE TOTAL REQUEST FROM BOTH THE CITY OF ST. JOHNS AND FINANCED AND BEACH TOTAL OF $255,000 FOR THE BREAKDOWN OF THE REQUEST ARE FOR THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS FOR FIREWORKS . THE CITY REQUESTED A FUNDING INCREASE OF $40,000 TO $60,000. AND THERE IS AN INCREASE OF $20,000 TO $35,000 . FOR NIGHTS OF RIGHTS, THE CITY OF -- REQUESTED $60,000 TO $100,000 . THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH REQUESTED $20,000 TO $50,000. THE VISITOR'S INFORMATION CENTER

IS OPERATED BY THE CITY. >> THE REQUESTED AN INCREASE OF A BUDGETED 300,000 TO 400,000. AND ALSO, THERE REQUEST FROM THE CITY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS SHUTTLES BUT INCREASING THAT -- FROM 50,000 TO 200,000. LOOKING BACK HERE LIKE I SHOWED YOU A SECOND AGO.

THE NUMBERS HERE IN THIS NEW COLUMN, WHICH IS TITLED ADDITIONAL REQUEST. THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE TABLE. IT SHOWS THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND AT THE VERY FAR RIGHT COLUMN, IT SHOWS THAT UPDATED FY25 REQUEST.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> WHAT IS NEEDED TO PRIVATE

WORKS? >> THAT ENTAILS THAT LINE FROM CATEGORY FOUR. SO YOU WILL SEE IT IN THE CATEGORIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS IN EACH CATEGORY. IN CATEGORY FOUR, THAT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR SJC CULTURAL EVENTS, INC. THEY RUN THE AMPHITHEATER. INCLUDES EVENTS FOR TPC. THOSE ARE THE

TWO THINGS THAT COME UP. >> SO ALSO, THE AMPHITHEATER.

>> THIS IS RIGHT BELOW THAT TO TRANSFER THE FUNDS.

>> >> SO THE TITLE EQUALS $3.8 MILLION. THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.

TO HAVE THE DETAIL ON WHO THAT IS ALL BUDGETED TO?

>> IS ACTUALLY , IT WAS PROVIDED IN THE LAST BUDGET. -- A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT YES, I CAN RESEND THE LAST BUDGET OUT AND SHOW THAT BREAKDOWN. WE HAVE GOT $1,366,000 . $1,066,000.60 IS STATED ON THAT LINE FOR CULTURAL EVENTS. THAT MANAGES THE AMPHITHEATER . THERE IS 325 SUPPORT TO THE TDC EVENT .

>> THAT GETS US TO ABOUT 1 MILLION.

>> WE ARE LOOKING AT CATEGORY FOUR.

>> I ADDED THEM ALL UP. >> THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, THAT IS THE ONE .69 ON THE SCREEN.

SO CATEGORY ONE IS ABOUT $1 MILLION. THAT GOES TO THE CULTURAL EVENT APPROPRIATED . CATEGORY ONE. CATEGORY TWO AS WELL. ABOUT $1 MILLION.

BUT I THINK THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT IS THAT I DO NOT

THINK IT IS -- RELATED. >> CULTURAL EVENTS, INC.

>> THEY USED TO GET $450,000 OR SOMETHING. -- MAXIMUM TO THE AMPHITHEATER. NOW THEY GET $1 MILLION?

>> TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS ABOUT ONE POINT SEVEN.

>> SO LAST YEAR -- >> THAT IS WHY AM A LITTLE

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CONFUSED. >> IF YOU ADD UP ALL CATEGORIES, THAT IS WHAT IT IS. YEAH, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LINK? OH, NOT ALL OF THAT GOES TO WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING AT TRANSFER OF FUNDS . NOT TRANSFER OF FUNDS . PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. NOT ALL IN TWO AND ONE GOES TO THAT.

>> I BELIEVE THEY DO. >>

>> FOR ONE AND TWO, NOT 44. FOUR DOES NOT. THAT IS ENTIRELY

UNRELATED. >> ONE AND TWO DO? OKAY. NOW I

GET WHERE YOU ARE AT. SORRY. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT CREATING WE HAVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO -- ORGANIZATIONS AND WHATEVER THEY

WANT TO DO. >> LAST YEAR, ST. JOHNS ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH ST. JOHNS EVENTS, INC. WITH , THEY COULD OVERSEE -- WE ENTERED INTO A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT WITH THAT GROUP AT WHICH TIME, THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR -- AND IT IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT. IT IS A FISCAL YEAR 2024. THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR WE ARE PROVIDING FUNDING. ADDING IT TO THE TDC BUDGET BUT IT IS KIND OF A CARRYFORWARD OF THAT BUDGET.

THAT CONTRACT DOES INCLUDE SOME LANGUAGE THAT HAS SOME -- I DO NOT WANT TO SAY AUTOMATIC . AMOUNT TO THE BUDGET AMOUNT, BASED ON DIFFERENT INDEXES. FOR THE LAST YEAR, AND A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR, I CERTAINLY HEAR YOU HAVE CONCERNS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT OPENS THE DOOR TO ANYBODY ELSE WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE MONEY. IT IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT.

>> WHAT IS THE TOTAL DOLLAR FIGURE PER YEAR?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO PULL THAT CONTRACT IN.

>> WELL, MY STATEMENT IS , ALL TOTAL UP TO. SO CAN I GET THE DETAILS ?

>> I CAN SHOW THE CONTRACT WITH YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY, HOPEFULLY, BOUNCE AROUND IF YOU WANT TO. SPECIFIC THE CATEGORY FOUR?

OKAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY, THE OTHER CATEGORY WE HAVE SEEN CHANGES TO SINCE I PRESENTED LAST MONTH WAS CATEGORY TWO. SO CATEGORY TWO, YOU CAN SEE , BECAUSE THIS WAS AN INTEREST RIGHT OF CHANGE, THE TABLE STRUCTURES A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. I HIGHLIGHTED THE LINE, THE ROLE THAT WAS INCREASED GET HOW WAS PRESENTED LAST, THE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW ROW WHICH WAS GRANTS, THAT IS THE ALTON CULTURAL HERITAGE TRANSFER THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AT 725. $725,000 BUT AGAIN, AS A RESULT OF THE 725 WAS PUT IN PLACE. BEFORE THE COUNTY HAD ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE STATE BUDGET. IN SO WITH THOSE REDUCTION TO THE STATE BUDGET AMOUNTS FOR ARTS AND CULTURE , GRANT SUPPORT, ADMINISTRATION , THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE THAT UP FROM 7252 $2 MILLION. ONE COASTLINE, WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME WAS SOME INFORMATION. YOU ARE AS IT COULD BE SENT TO YOU DIRECTLY BUT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. THE ACTUAL, I THINK IT WAS A MEMO, FROM THE CULTURAL COUNCIL.

CHRISTINA HAS SHARED WITH US A SUMMARY OF WHAT HAD BEEN DONE.

THIS IS THAT LIST BUT I DID TAKE OFF THOSE BOTTOM TWO ENTRIES, IF YOU WILL. THE BOTTOM TWO ENTRIES WITH A SPECIFIC COUNTY. BUT THEY WERE BOTH FOR FACILITIES. I WISH, THIS WAS MORE THE STAKES PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH WHAT THEY ARE FUNDING TO THE ARTS IN THERAPY PROGRAM.

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>> MATCH UP WITH THE CATEGORY? THE GRANTS?

>> SO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS , THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

LAUGHTER ] >> IT APPEARS TO BE $750,000 SHORT .

>> SO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IT IS REALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? EACH YEAR, ST. JOHNS COUNTY OFFERS THE ECHO GRANTS PROGRAM. THERE ARE GUIDELINES THAT ARE REVIEWED BY THE TDC.

THERE IS A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS, A BUNCH OF ENTITIES APPLY. IS A VERY MUCH SO, IT IS EVENT GRANTED. THEY DO MORE OF AN ONGOING ANNUAL PROGRAMMING SUPPORT AS WELL. THERE IS OF FUNDING REVIEW TO USE THOSE. IN TOTAL, WE ALWAYS , NOT ALWAYS.

FOR THE LAST GOOD PERIOD OF TIME OF THE YEARS THAT WERE NOT SUBMITTED AND AFFECTED BY COVID, WE HAVE ALWAYS RECEIVED THE FUNDING REQUEST THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE AMOUNT WE ALLOCATE TOWARD IT. AND THOUGH KIND OF THE DISCUSSION OF HOW THE COUNTY COULD HELP TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PAIN BEING BUILT EITHER THE STATE BUDGET CUTS IS THAT WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO OUR EXISTING ACH GRANTS PROGRAM. SO THAT WHEN THE ENTITIES CAME IN AND ASKED FOR THIS MUCH MONEY, ASSUMING THEY HAD A ULTRAM APPLICATION AND THEY WERE WORTHY OF RECEIVING THE FUNDING, INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO FUND THAT HERE AT 725, WE CAN BRING THAT UP CLOSER TO WHAT THEIR MACS WOULD BE UNDER THE GRANTS PROGRAM.

IS NOT PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THE USE. THESE ARE STATE VETTED GRANTS. IT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GRANTS PROGRAM, DIFFERENT CRITERIA. I THINK IN MOST CASES, IF NOT ALL, IT IS A SET OF PROGRAMS THEY ARE DOING. THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS BUT IF NOT, I THINK THEY ARE ALL THE SAME AS ENTITIES WE GIVE GRANTS TO. BUT THEY VERY CLOSELY ALIGNED. SO KIND OF THE MESSAGE WAS AT THE LAST MEETING. BECAUSE THE STATE HAS REDUCED ITS BUDGET . OUR NONPROFIT GROUPS ARE FEELING AN EXTRA FINANCIAL BURDEN THIS YEAR BUT IT WOULD BE A NICE RING TO CONSIDER IF THE COUNTY PUT A LITTLE ADDITIONAL FUNDING INTO OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL GRANTS PROGRAM SO WE COULD GIVE THEM MORE OF THE MONEY THEY ARE REQUESTING IF THEY QUALIFY. SO THAT OVERALL, ACROSS THEIR BOTTOM LINE , CROSS THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS, EACH OF OUR INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATIONS MAYBE FEELS A LITTLE LESS OF A BURDEN THAN THEY WOULD HAVE IF WE HAD

THIS LAND AT 725 . >> TERA, DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO

CONTINUE IN YEARS TO FOLLOW? >> I HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVE NO INSIGHT . I THINK THAT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO EVERYBODY IS THAT KIND OF THE STANCE MOVING FORWARD, AND WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING, THE ARTS AND CULTURAL AGENCIES WERE ANTICIPATING LEADING BUDGET. I THINK WHEN THE GOVERNOR DETAILED OUTLINE AND THE FUNDING FOR THOSE CERTAIN PROGRAMS, IT ENTIRELY OPENED AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF GUARD AND SHOCK BY THAT BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STATE HAS GIVEN ANY INDICATION OF HOW TO HANDLE THOSE PROGRAMS GOING FORWARD. I DID GET ON SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE WEBSITES. AND READ ABOUT IT. THERE WAS NO STATEMENTS OF WE ARE ELIMINATING GRANTS IN PERPETUITY INTO THE FUTURE. IT SEEMS TO BE BEING TREATED AS IF IT IS AN ANOMALY OF THE MOMENT GOD BUT I DO NOT THINK, I DON'T, AND I DO NOT THINK THE COLLECTIVE, WE" IS AT THIS TIME.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE THING. WHEN I READ THAT LIST THIS MORNING ARE THE OTHER DAY WHEN IT CAME THROUGH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURRED TO ME IS THE BUSINESSES IN THIS COUNTY FOR THE LAST YEAR THAT WERE IMPACTED BY SOME OF THE STANCES THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA TOOK THAT IMPACTED TOURISM.

IS PROBABLY, IF I WENT AND ASKED EVERY BUSINESS IN TOWN, THEY PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME ECONOMIC IMPACT IN DECISIONS THAT OF BEEN MADE BY THE GOVERNOR. THAT EVERY BUSINESS IS PROBABLY DOWN 100-$300,000. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THESE PEOPLE THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE APPLYING THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE TO THIS.

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WE ARE NEED TO BE VERY SMART BUT HAVE THE MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO BE SMART IF WE ARE USING IT . THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE UNIVERSE , AND NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER WHO APPLIED AND GOT TURNED DOWN. BUT OTHER BUSINESSES AND I COULD PROBABLY WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND PROBABLY GET YOU ABOUT $25 MILLION IN ONE DAY OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IMPACTED I WOULD IS HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR FROM THE ECONOMY. AND SOME OF THE STANCES POLITICALLY THAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY SMART. WE MAY BE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO

FAVORITISM. >> SO TO CLARIFY , IT'S BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT THERE TO BE CONFUSION. WE ARE NOT , THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING. IT IS BECAUSE WE CANNOT. WE ARE NOT SET UP FOR THAT. WE ARE NOT GIVING THESE PEOPLE , ORGANIZATIONS , GROUPS, THE FOLKS THAT HAD FUNDING CUTS, THERE IS NOT ANY ATTEMPTS OR INITIATIVE TO MAKE THEM WHOLE.

THESE ARE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THINGS. THEY WILL EACH HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE THIS. I THINK FOR THEM, PART OF THE DRAW FOR THIS WAS THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS. IT WAS IN THE STATE BUDGET. THE STATE BUDGET GOES INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST. THE CUT, THE DETAILS FROM THE GOVERNMENT CAME IN SOMETIME IN MID JUNE. THAT WAS A DRYING EFFECT FOR THEM. AND I WANT THIS TO BE NOTED AND STATED. THERE IS A HARDSHIP, THEN ABSOLUTELY -- HOWEVER, THIS LINE HERE IS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL GRANTS PROGRAMS. IT IS TRUE THAT MANY OF THE FOLKS WHO GET OUR ARTS -- THEY ALSO SHOW UP ON THIS LIST. BUT THIS LIST IS MORE BEING PROVIDED AS DEMONSTRATIVE OF WHAT THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE. IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY TIE WITH A SOLID LINE TO THE YELLOW. IT IS MORE OF, THERE IS, THERE IS A CAUSAL EFFECT OR CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> I AM THANKFUL THE COUNTY HAS DONE THIS THIS YEAR. I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT SET THIS TO BE THE NEW BASELINE. YOU KNOW? AND I THINK THAT IS A CONCERN WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS . THEY GET THE GRANT FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN IT IS ANTICIPATED THE NEXT YEAR. THIS IS, VIRTUALLY, WHAT THE GOVERNOR DID. IT HURTS A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS BUT I WANT TO HELP THESE ORGANIZATIONS BUT I APPRECIATE THE COUNTY TAKING THIS STEP. THAT IS A HUGE STEP FOR THEM TO DO THIS. YOU KNOW, LIKE IRVING KASS WAS SAYING. THERE IS NOT A GOOD SPOT IN THE HOTEL WORLD . OUR TAXES, WE HAD THE WORST JUNE WE HAVE HAD IN A LONG, LONG TIME. IT WAS TERRIBLE. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO CAUTION WHEN WE DO MEASURES LIKE THIS, IT IS VERY UNDERSTOOD BY THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT THIS IS TO HELP THEM GET OVER THIS CRISIS. THIS IS NOT A REGULAR THING. IT COULD EASILY GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL NUMBER WHERE IT WAS NEXT YEAR. THE

FUNDS ARE NOT MADE AVAILABLE. >> I WILL TAKE THAT, TROY, AND I WILL SEGUE INTO -- I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. YOU WILL NOTICE ON THE TABLE, WHICH I HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES THAT I WILL CLICK THROUGH. YOU WILL NOTICE ON THIS TABLE AS WELL AS THE OTHER CATEGORIES, THAT I DO HAVE 2025 PROJECTED PLAN. I HAVE THE FY25 REQUESTED:.

THOSE IN ALL THE CATEGORIES WITH THE EXCEPTION FIVE, THAT WE ARE ASKED ENDING MORE FUNDS IN THIS REQUESTED BUDGET THEN WE ARE IN NEW FUNDS. THAT IS FINE. WE ARE USING RESERVES.

THAT IS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY OKAY. BUT CERTAINLY, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE THIS YEAR. A LOT OF THEM ARE WANTING PROJECTS BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE CAPPED. BUT OUR FUTURE BUDGET WILL CONTRACT A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE WE ARE USING OUR HEFTY AMOUNT OF OUR RESERVES IN THESE CATEGORIES. SO CERTAINLY, I WILL ECHO WHAT TROY JUST SAID. FOR ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT SEEM -- TODAY. BUT FOR ANYBODY WHO GOES BACK AND WATCHES THIS LATER , ACTUALLY PUT ANY OF OUR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHERE FEELING HARDSHIP OR MIGHT BE FEELING HARDSHIP IN THE FUTURE, THIS IS A MIX TO HELP ITEM SOME TIME SO THEY CAN REGROUP. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HELP THEM AND CUT THEM KIND OF OFF GUARD

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ABILITY. >>

>> TO BE CLEAR, THIS ONE MILLION-DOLLAR NUMBER IS WITH THE $700,000 NUMBER WAS THIS YEAR? IT IS JUST BEING -- AN YES BUT WHEN CHRISTINA CAME AND SPOKE, WE ARE STILL GOING THROUGH OUR EVALUATION COMMITTEE. OUR FUNNY GROUP.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY EVALUATING THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS. WE WILL NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE SCORES ARE UNTIL JULY 29TH. AND SO WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL REQUESTED FUNDING IS. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO QUALIFY, HOW THEY DID, AND HOW IT CAN BE REDISTRIBUTED IN TOTAL, THERE IS ABOUT ONE $.4 MILLION IN TOTAL REQUEST .

IF WE WERE TO GO IN AND EVERYBODY HAD 100 ON THE APPLICATION AND WHERE TO FIND EVERYBODY AT 100%, YOU NEED ABOUT ONE PART PER MILLION. FLIGHT BELOW THAT, BUT IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO ONE POINT FOR MILLION.

SO THE 725 WAS GOING TO GIVE US ROUGHLY HALFWAY TO THE GOAL.

100% IF EVERYBODY IS AN A PLUS PERFORMER. THIS GETS US A LITTLE BEYOND THAT. THAT GIVES US ABOUT 25% OF THE WAY THERE TO THAT GOAL OF A PLUS BUT EVERYBODY GOT 100 ON THEIR

TEST. >> ALL RIGHT. MAY I? YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. WHAT APPEARS TO ME IS THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, AS WE HEARD AT OUR LAST MEETING, I WILL REMIND YOU, THEY WERE -- BY THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING . WE OUT ONE ORGANIZATION, AND THEY THAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS ON A RAINY DAY, COUPLE OF RAINY NIGHT. THE ORGANIZATION INAUDIBLE ] DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. FOR THE INCREASE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION GIVING THAT. I ALSO SUPPORT THE FUNDING. I KNOW THESE DO NOT MATCH UP. I UNDERSTAND THE STATE AGENCIES LOST IN THE PLS FUNDING. AND WHAT OUR ORGANIZATIONS ARE, THAT I WOULD SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THAT ENTIRE -- FUNDED. OUR ORGANIZATIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO US.

THE PROMISE WE MADE TO THE VOTERS THAT ACTUALLY VOTED FOR THIS IMPLEMENTATION TO RECEIVE THE TDT. THAT BOTTOM ROW. AND THE OTHER, THIS WHOLE SHEBANG, TO THE COMMUNITY. THE CATEGORY AND FUNDING FOR I KNOW IT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET REPORTED. I WILL PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.

YOU SUPPORT THE ORGANIZATIONS -- AND I AGREE THIS SHOULD BE A ONE-TIME THING. HOPEFULLY, WE CAN ALL GET TOGETHER AND HELP YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THE GRANT PROGRAM IS. FOR THE FUTURE OF FUNDING. THAT IS A CONVERSATION.

>> I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH YOU ON THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO WHATEVER WE NEED AND ARE CAPABLE OF DOING. RESPONSIBLY.

SEEMS LIKE THE FUNDS ARE THERE. I THINK ALSO, SENDING THE MESSAGE TO THE GOVERNOR THAT HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE SUPPORT ALL ARTS AND CULTURE. THIS BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNOR ALSO SEEMS TO BE HAVING A VERY SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT ON -- IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING PRETTY MUCH IN SOME PARTICULAR NUMBERS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE FUNDING IN THE PROCESS, AND ] TERRORISM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND ALSO, WHEN WE GIVE INTO WHAT WE INTEND, TROY, YOU JUST MENTIONED -- AND TO

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>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE MATH. THE LIST THAT , OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, IT WAS ROUGHLY -- IT IS $1 MILLION. AND THEN YOU SAID YOU HAD 1,000,004 REQUESTED. IF EVERYTHING WORKED OUT TO WHERE, THEORETIC , WE ARE SIMILAR BETWEEN 700,000 LAST YEAR, AND

2 MILLION . >> YET. ALL RIGHT. SO LAST YEAR, WE FUNDED THE GRANT PROGRAM AT $660,000 BID OKAY? THIS. HERE WE ARE IN, THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET AT $660,000, ROUGHLY. AS PART OF FISCAL YEAR 2025'S BUDGET, THE LAST VERSION PRESENTED INCREASED THE 600 2725.

FROM THE TIME THAT CODY ADMINISTRATION PUT OUT THAT BUDGET THAT INCLUDED THE 725, THE STATE PUT OUT THERE BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDED MEANINGFUL CUTS TO ARTS AND -- IN RESPONSE, TO THAT INFORMATION, CODY ADMINISTRATION CHOOSE TO FURTHER INCREASE THE REQUESTED BUDGET TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, FROM 725,000 $2 MILLION.

WHICH MEANS, COLLECTIVELY AS A WHOLE, THE READER'S DIGEST VERSION THAT IS VERY HIGH-LEVEL. IN FISCAL YEAR 2024, WE PROVIDED THIS GRANT PROGRAM WITH ROUGHLY $660,000 IN HUNTING. AND IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED BY TONY MENSTRUATION IS TO FUND THIS PROGRAM AT $1 MILLION.

THAT IS ABOUT A $340,000 INCREASE TO THIS PROGRAM. WHAT THE TDC HEARD THE LAST MEETING WAS MS. CHRISTINA PARRISH STONE CAME AND STOOD UP, ALONG WITH SOME OTHERS. SHE CAME UP AND WANTED TO PUT A NUMBER TO IT. SHE SAID SHE WAS SUGGESTING RECOMMENDING ASKING , A MEMBER WHAT WORD SHE WAS. SHE WAS SUGGESTING THAT THE TDC CONSIDER ONE POINT FOR MILLION, ROUGHLY COMING TO THIS BUT I THINK SHE HAS ADVISED THAT A LITTLE IN THAT LETTER. NO I THINK IT IS THAT ONE .3 SOMETHING. BUT ROUGHLY, OR POINT -- TO JUSTIFY THAT INCREASED REQUEST TO THE ONE .1 MILLION. CHRISTINA WENT TO THE STATE WEBSITE, AND SHE TOLD INFORMATION SHOWING WHAT THE STATE HAD CUT FROM ITS BUDGET SPREAD THAT WAS THAT MEMO I SENT TO YOU ALL. I HAVE FURTHER SCRUBBED THAT LIST. SO WHAT IS SHE ON THE SCREEN AND AS I SAID I KNOCKED OFF THE VERY TWO THINGS OFF THE LIST THAT CHRISTINA GAVE YOU GUYS. THEY WERE EACH FUNDED AT 500,000. THAT WAS TWO FACILITIES GRANTS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE WITH $1 MILLION IS REFLECTIVE OF THROUGHOUT THE LIST FROM WHAT IS IN YOUR CULTURAL COUNCIL MEMO THAT WAS WITH YOUR PACKET THAT CHRISTINA PUT TOGETHER FOR

YOU. >> BUT I NEED CLARIFICATION ON ONE WING. I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE MATH. IF WE JUST IGNORE THIS LIST FOR A MINUTE, GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH, THE PROCESS TO 25 FUNDING, WHICH WE HAD $725,000

FOR RSP TO $4 MILLION. >> THAT IS CORRECT . SPIN-UP WILL A FUND THAT AT 50%, AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT FUNDING

THIS? >> SO THIS WAS , THIS WAS -- AN MY QUESTION IS , IS A REDUNDANCY IN THIS?

>> NO. THIS LIST IS JUST HERE FOR YOUR INFORMATION. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE STATE CUT. THIS LIST DOES NOT PLAY INTO OUR BUDGET WHATSOEVER. WE ARE NOT , THIS YEAR, THIS 1 MILLION, WE ARE NOT GIVING ONE DOLLAR TO THIS BALANCE. NOT ONE. YOUR

GIVING ZERO DOLLARS TO IT. >> I HEARD NANCY -- AN OLD AUNT REGISTER ME OUT FOR A SECOND. THIS IS A STATE INITIATIVE.

THIS WAS MEANT TO BE DISPOSITIVE FOR YOU GUYS YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS. WITH REGARD TO OUR BUDGET, THIS DOES NOT EXIST . THIS WOULD GIVE YOU CONTACTS WOULD ALL BE PROVIDING FUNDING FOR IN OUR BUDGET, 667 225. A MARKET FROM THOSE NUMBERS COMBINED TOGETHER. THE ONLY ONE THAT IS OF IMPORTANCE ON THE SCREEN IS WE PROVIDING CURRENTLY $1 MILLION WORTH OF FUNDING FOR CATEGORY TWO. THE ACH GRANDSON THE PROPOSED ADMINISTRATION BUDGET. THE TDC IS A COUPLE OF OPTIONS BUT YOU CAN MOVE TOWARD WHAT RECOMMENDING A BUDGET AS BEING PRESENTED HERE TODAY. THAT INCLUDES THIS NEW ALIEN DOLLAR LINE. YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR SOMETHING

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WERE NOT SUPPLEMENTING ANYTHING ELSE.

>> CHAIR? ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO EASE THE PAIN A LITTLE BIT. IN OUR LAST MEETING, THIS IS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE VERY BEGINNING. IN THE LAST MEETING THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXCESS FROM CATEGORY FIVE. WHERE IS THAT? I WANT TO STILL EASE THEIR PAIN. TO GO BACK TO WHAT CHARLES SAID WAS IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE IF THERE WAS EXCESS OF 20-40-30. YOU KNOW, IF I GET IT AT ONE. 4TH. IF THAT IS THERE, THAT IS ANOTHER 420,000 THAT COULD POSSIBLY COME TO CATEGORY TWO.

>> LET'S GET TO THAT . CHRISTINA'S ASKING IF SHE CAN SPEAK ON THIS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? IS THAT OKAY? SHE NEEDS TO

SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THIS. >> DO NOT JUMP THE GUN ON ME.

>> I HEAR YOU'RE GOING AND I APPRECIATE IT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU COMPLETELY HERE BUT I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION SINCE WE HAVE THE TWO SEPARATE LISTS. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO MENTION IS, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR $1 MILLION FOR THE GRANT FUN FOR THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BUT I WENT TO ALL THE COUNTY BUDGET MEETINGS AND ASKED FOR THE INCREASE BEFORE WE KNEW ABOUT THE STATE CUTS. BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF NEW EVENTS AND PROGRAMS THAT WE HAD APPLYING FOR A GRANT. WE ARE FUNDING MANY MORE GRANTEES. ALL OF THEM ARE PRODUCING EVENTS AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE BRINGING VISITORS TO SAINT AUGUSTINE. AND THE REST OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HOPEFULLY, THERE -- HELPING TO EASE SOME OF THE PAIN THAT THE TOURISM INDUSTRY MEMBERS ARE HAVING. SO THE MILLION DOLLAR REQUEST WAS ON THE TABLE BEFORE THE CUT FROM THE GOVERNOR. AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU HEARD FROM A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS WHO WERE ON THE LIST , THE SECOND LIST YOU SAW. THEY HAD BEEN VICTIMS OF THE GOVERNOR'S VETO. TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE NEW BUDGET YEAR, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE RECEIVING FUNDING AND THEY LEARNED THEY WERE GETTING ZERO. THIS LIST DOES NOT MATCH OUR GRANTEE LIST PERFECTLY. THE LIST YOU SEE HERE. THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE ON THIS LIST THAT IT NOT APPLY FOR TDC GRANTS.

MOST OF THEM DO. MOST OF THEM HAVE RELIED ON THIS FUNDING FROM THE STATE EACH YEAR TO HELP THEM PRESENT THE TOURIST RELATED OFFENSE THAT THEY PRESENT EVERY YEAR TO BRING VISITORS TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SO THEY LOST ALL OF THIS FUNDING THIS YEAR. THE STATE IS CONTINUING WITH THIS GRANT PROGRAM . ALL OF THESE FOLKS JUST APPLIED AGAIN THIS YEAR.

THERE GRANT REQUEST WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE STATE . THEY WILL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION A YEAR FROM NOW, A LITTLE LESS THAN A YEAR FROM NOW, WAITING TO SEE IF THE GOVERNOR VETOES THE PROGRAM AGAIN.

AT THE MOMENT, THIS PROGRAM IS CONTINUING. WE HOPE, BASED ON HISTORY, THERE WILL BE SOME FUNDING NEXT YEAR. MODERATE REST WE HAVE FOR OUR GRANT PROGRAM IS ABOUT ONE .388 ALIEN. I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE EXACT NUMBER. I ROUNDED IT UP TO ONE. FOR LAST TIME. WE ASKED THAT MOST OF OUR GRANTEES, IF ACED ON HISTORY, THEY WILL SCORE HIGH ENOUGH THAT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FULL FUNDING. NOT ALL OF THEM WILL, BUT ANY OF THEM WILL. THERE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR CLOSE TO $1.4 MILLION IN FUNDING THROUGH OUR GRANT PROGRAM. THIS IS A LIST, AGAIN, THAT INCLUDES MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO NOT RECEIVE HUNTING FROM THE STATE. WE WILL NOT COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO MAKING FOLKS WHOLE, EVEN IF WE FULLY FUND OUR GRANT PROGRAM. HE WILL ALLOW THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO CONTINUE TO PRESENT THE WONDERFUL EVENT AND PROGRAMMING THEY DO THAT BRINGS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO SAINT AUGUSTINE EVERY YEAR. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS NUMBER UP AS HIGH AS YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE.

IT IS MONEY WELL SPENT AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS TREMENDOUS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY WELL SAID. IF YOUR REQUEST STILL REMAINING FOR THE 1.38976 MILLION?

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>> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FULLY FUND THE GRANT PROGRAM. HONESTLY, IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN THAT ELIGIBLE, THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE ALL OF IT . BUT AT LEAST THE FUNDS WILL BE AVAILABLE IF THEY SCORE HIGH

ENOUGH AND ARE ELIGIBLE . >> I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US IN THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO GIVE AN ASSIST IN PRICES TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I KNOW IT IS NOT PERFECT AND IT DOESN'T NOT MATCH FROM THE STATE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FUND THE ARTS CULTURAL AND HERITAGE AT THE LEVEL OF 1. 38876 .

>> IS THERE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO COVER THAT? SARAH?

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. I MEAN, I DID NOT GET

TO TALK. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION. I GUESS I WOULD ASK , TO HAVE A SECOND AND WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION? I CAN ADDRESS THAT YOU. WELL, SO IT IS , THE LINK THE ANSWER. HERE WE GO. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS YOU'RE OOKING AT CATEGORY TWO BUDGET. YOU HAVE REMAINING FUNDS HERE.

WHAT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THE LAST TWO ROWS, THOSE ROWS SAY 5% OF EXPENSE AND RESERVE READ REMAINING FUNDS. WHAT THIS DOES , WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. BUT TO REITERATE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE. THE 5% THAT IS EXPENSES AND RESERVES, THAT IS IN BOTH. IT IS RESERVES THAT ARE BEING HELD TRULY FOR THAT RAINY DAY, RIGHT? SO WHEN THE COUNTY PROJECTS ITS REVENUE, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS LIKE COVID OR SOME SET OF HURRICANE OR SOME SORT OF AN EVENT THAT IS UNFORESEEN THAT MEANINGFUL -- MEANINGFULLY IMPACT THE REVENUE COLLECTIONS, WE HAVE THIS 5% REVIEW THAT IS IN THE SET BACK. BEYOND THAT, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT IS REMAINING RESERVES FOR THOSE REMAINING RESERVES WOULD BE KIND OF THAT AVAILABLE FUNDING, IF YOU WILL. IN CATEGORY TWO , IF WE ARE ASSUMING WE ARE STILL GOING TO HOLD ONTO THE 5% RAINY DAY, WE WILL NOT LOSE THAT IN THESE CATEGORIES , THE CATEGORY TWO HAS $70,261 OF AVAILABLE RESEARCH FUNDING THAT CAN BE USED FOR SOMETHING. SO I'M GOING TO CLICK HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE , WANTING THROUGHOUT FIVE OF THESE CATEGORIES FIT AGAIN, OTHER THAN THE CHANGES THAT WERE JUST DISCUSSED.

CATEGORIES TWO AND FOUR. WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU GUYS LAST TIME.

SO CATEGORY ONE, YOU SEE A SET OF ALL FIVE OF THESE. THE SAME 5%. THE RAINY DAY RESERVE. THAT WOULD BE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES. SO CATEGORY TWO.

27,000. CATEGORY THREE. 113,000. $111,038 IN CATEGORY FOUR TRADE CATEGORY FIVE HAS THIS LARGE LOOMING FUND. THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF 6,000,400 -- NOW THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR US, AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, UTILIZE THOSE RESERVES AND THEN MOVE THEM, ESSENTIALLY, TO OTHER CATEGORIES. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CATEGORY TWO, THE ONLY AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE IN CATEGORY TWO TO FUND UP TO THAT GRANT WOULD BE THE 70,002 61. THE OPTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION -- ANY OF THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES TO FURTHER

BOLSTER THE FUNDING. >> YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE NUMBER. YOU SAID IT COULD BE AS HIGH AS 1.7 AND LOIS 1 MILLION , NOT CATEGORY FIVE. DID YOU NAIL DOWN WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE SOME OF THAT CATEGORY FIVE MONEY. USING THE EQUATION OF 40-30-30. YOU KNOW, I HAVE 1 POINT FOR WHICH WAS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR BUT THAT WOULD ALIVE 560 TO GO TO CATEGORY ONE. 420 COVERS THE GAP WE NEED IN CATEGORY TWO AND 420 FOUR CATEGORY THREE. I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME WALK OVER THERE AND SOME OTHER THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET DONE ALSO. SO IF WE CAN GET THAT NUMBER, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO USE THAT 40-30-30

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NEXT YEAR, IT MIGHT BE CATEGORY ONE AND THAT JAM. THIS MONEY WILL HELP READ THAT IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. THAT IS THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO BREAK OUT THAT.

>> DOES THE ORDINANCE GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE STUFF FROM CATEGORY TO CATEGORY? OR IS THIS REALLY AN ORDINANCE THING? IT SEEMED LIKE A BIG DEAL .

>> THE REMAINING FUNDS . >> IT SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL WHEN A PENNY WAS PUT IN PLACE. AND THERE SEEM TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. SO I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF. IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN START TAKING THINGS OUT OF CATEGORY FIVE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE -- I AM FOR THE PROJECT, BUT I AM A LITTLE SCARED OF TAKING MONEY WITHOUT

CHANGING THE ORDINANCE. >> THE BIG DIFFERENCE, IRVING KASS, IS HE RECEIVED THE HUGE GRANT. COMMISSIONER -- GOT US A HUGE GRANT . WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY OUT OF OUR POCKET. AND A PUT MONEY INTO THE COUNTY POCKET. THAT WE WERE SAVING UP FOR IT. THAT IS THE REASON. I WANTED THE BUDGET OFFICE TO GIVE ME A NUMBER WHERE THEY ARE COMFORTABLE. AND THEN REDISTRIBUTE WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE WITH THAT NUMBER.

THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING. >> I WANTED THEM TO GIVE US A NUMBER WHERE THEY ARE COMFORTABLE AT, AND THEN REDISTRIBUTE THOSE NUMBERS AT THE 40-30-30. THE

REDISTRIBUTION. >> MY QUESTION IF I CAN JUMP IN? YOU THINK THAT DOES REQUIRE A CHANGE.

>> SO THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS BEING DISCUSSED HERE. THOUGH THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR US TO REMOVE SOME FUNDING RESERVES .

AGAIN, ON THIS TABLE, THAT WOULD BE REMAINING FUNDS , BETWEEN THE CAPITAL PROJECT. I DO NOT, I AM LESS CONFIDENT IN OUR ABILITY TO ADJUST TAKE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OUT OF THE CATEGORY AND SPLIT IT UP INTO OTHER CATEGORIES. SO WHAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IS TAKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS NEEDED FOR A PROGRAM, A SPECIFIC PROGRAM. WE CAN SHIFT THAT MONEY TO ANOTHER CATEGORY TO PAY FOR X. WE WOULD NEED A LEGAL OF UNION TO SEE IF WE COULD JUST START TAKING RESERVES AND REDISTRIBUTED BY PERCENTAGES READ TWO OTHER CATEGORIES. I WILL NOTE, PARTICULARLY IN THE CASE OF CATEGORY ONE, THERE IS A PRETTY HEFTY REMAINIG RESERVE IN THERE. SO I THINK IT BECOMES A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO JUSTIFY YOUR MOVING MONEY FROM ONE CATEGORY RESERVED TO ANOTHER CATEGORY'S RESERVE WHEN THAT CATEGORY IS RECEIVING

SIGNIFICANT RESERVES. >> THAT IS THE HEART OF OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION RIGHT THERE.

>> I'M SAYING FOR THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, IT IS TO FUND A THING. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS STATED. I AM NOT SURE WE NEED A LEGAL OPINION OR LEGAL REVIEW. I'M NOT SURE IT CAN BE MOVED. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MOVING IT AND BUILDING OTHER

CATEGORY RESERVES. >> SO HAVE CATEGORY THREE REPRESENTING -- HERE. I AM SURE THEY HAVE PROJECTS THAT GOT DENIED FROM THE CIP. YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN , IF WE ARE MOVING THIS MONEY, THE LAST MEETING I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE REDISTRIBUTED. THAT IS THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED. OBVIOUSLY, WHAT CHRISTINA HAS POINTED OUT, IS FIGURING OUT THIS PROBLEM. I ACTUALLY DID SPEAK WITH PARKS AND RECREATION. I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME NEEDS OVER THERE ALSO. YOU KNOW? WITH THIS MONEY, LET'S UTILIZE IT. CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND EVERY OTHER COST IS GOING TO GO UP. WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS RIGHT HERE . TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAST DISCUSSION AND I APOLOGIZE IF I GOT THAT WRONG. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN A PRIOR MEETING, THERE BEEN SOME OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RESERVES. AT THE LAST MEETING, THE DISCUSSION WAS SPECIFICALLY CIRCLING AROUND THE HERITAGE GRANTS FUNDING AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING. I HAD SHARED WITH THE GROUP I HAD TALKED TO OUR OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET SPECIFICALLY. I HAD SHARED WITH HIM THAT I FELT BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN THE STATE BUDGET, SIGNIFICANT PER HOUR -- BUT THROUGH OUR LENS, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN THE STATE BUDGET FOR ARTS, CULTURE,

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RESIDENTS. >> I WOULD TELL YOU, I THINK THE MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO ME IS CATEGORY TWO FUNDING.

70,002 61 FOR THAT IS AVAILABLE TO YOU. IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO SOMETHING ELSE .

>> I JUST DID. BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN LOOK AT THE REMAINING FUNDS IN THESE CATEGORIES FOR CATEGORY ONE, TWO. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. CATEGORY THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE AND YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATION FOR A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO GO AND FUND THE ADDITIONAL UP TO 38976. THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE IS AVAILABLE TO YOU. ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WILL TAKE LEGAL REVIEW. I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT JUST TAKING MONEY OUT AND REALLOCATING INTO OTHER CATEGORIES FOR NONEXISTING PROJECTS THAT I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS ALLOWABLE OR NOT. BUT THAT IS WHAT I AM CONFIDENT OF IT I'M CONFIDENT YOU CAN TAKE THE 70,002 61 AND YOU COULD ROLL IT THERE INTO CATEGORY -- I'M ALSO CONFIDENT YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO THE REMAINING FUNDS OUT OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES, ANY OF THEM.

ONE, THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE AND YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU CAN CHOOSE 50,000 OUT OF ONE AND 25,000 OUT OF ANOTHER AND 100,000 OUT OF IT. YOU CAN EDIT TOGETHER TO AN AMOUNT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE THE AMOUNT OF THE TABLE IS -- TO MAX WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE REMAINING FUNDS CATEGORY CAN BE USED OUT OF A NEW CATEGORY. TO BUILD THAT NUMBER UP FOR THE CULTURAL AND HERITAGE ORGANIZATION. AND I BELIEVE THAT NUMBERS SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 300. THE TOTAL WOULD BE ASKING.

WHAT WE CAN DO. THAT IS 70,000 IN CATEGORY TWO. FIRSTLY, THE MOTION I MADE, TO GET A SECOND. AND AMENDED TO SPECIFICALLY RECOMMEND FUNDS OUT OF THE REMAINING FUNDS. NOT THE EXTRA 5%. THE RAINY DAY RESERVES. TO TAKE ALL OF THE REMAINING FUNDS OUT OF CATEGORY TWO. MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. IN THE

DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. >> I AGREE WITH THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING WITH IT. WE LOOK AT THE 70,000 FROM THE REMAINING FUNDS IN CATEGORY TWO, AND SUPPLEMENTED THAT WITH REMAINING FUNDS IN CATEGORY FIVE, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE

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>> CHAIR? >> THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS THE FIVE, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. AND SO IT WILL HAVE TO TAKE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE TO TAKE THAT MONEY OUT

OF CATEGORY FIVE. >> I AM NOT SURE I AGREE WITH

THAT. >> DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ON

THAT? >> HOW THEY REWRITE HOW IT TIES IT DOWN THAT MUCH.

>> I KNOW THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN FOR FOUR. AND IT WAS REDISTRIBUTED BACK TO ONE, TWO, AND THREE. NOW IT IS LOCKED INTO FIVE? THAT IS JUST, SORRY. THAT IS BAD GOVERNMENT.

>> ONE OTHER. THERE IS ONE OTHER OPTION FOR MONEY. WE HAVE NOT EVEN DISCUSSED IT. GOING INTO CATEGORY TWO BUDGET, IF TODAY WE WERE WRITING THE BUDGET FROM SCRATCH, WHAT WE PUT ALL THE MONEY INTO EACH CATEGORY? OR WOULD WE SOME OF THE MONEY? IT'S A 200,000 IN THIS CATEGORY, WITH 50,000 OUT AND PUT IT INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY? INSTEAD OF CATEGORY TWO BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, WE MIGHT'VE FUNDED A DIFFERENT BUDGET. AND WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO MOVE SOME OF THAT MONEY ALSO. THERE MAY NOT BE ANY, BUT I THINK IF YOU KNEW THIS, WHEN YOU WERE WRITING THE BUDGET, YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE SPENT AS MUCH MONEY IN OTHER AREAS. I DO NOT WANT TO CATEGORY TWO. I WANT TO GET THEM MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, MAYOR, I SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO . BUT I THINK IF WE TAKE THIS ACTION, WE MIGHT BE HURTING THEM. WE COULD TAKE THE SAME ACTION NEXT

MONTH . >> MAKE IT $1 MILLION HIGHER

THAN LAST YEAR THOUGH? >> WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO WAIT TILL NEXT MONTH BUT IF YOU GET THE ANSWER NOW, HERE IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE CAN MOVE THE REMAINING FUNDS FROM CATEGORY FIVE TO CATEGORY TWO. THAT IS THE OPINION AS OF RIGHT NOW BUT IF WE GET CLARIFICATION THAT IS CORRECT, THEN I THINK THAT IS THE SIMPLEST WAY TO SOLVE THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM

RIGHT NOW. >> IN THE LAST 10 YEARS , WE

HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE , IRVING KASS. THAT IS NOT TRUE. BECAUSE UNTIL WE PUT IT INTO PLACE, WE DID THAT. ANY EXCESS WENT TO FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD.

>> THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE.

>> IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL. IT WAS NOT IN THE FIFTH PENNY ORDINANCE. I CAN TELL YOU WHERE I AM AT. I AM TRYING TO HELP THE ARTS. I REALLY, REALLY AM TRYING TO HELP THE ART THAT I DO NOT WANT TO SHORTCHANGE THEM EITHER AND VOTE AGAINST THIS.

THE WAY IT IS NOW, 50 RIGHT NOW, IT MIGHT BE COSTING THEM MONEY. I WOULD RATHER WAIT AND SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF IT.

IF THERE IS ANOTHER SOLUTION, AND WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE

ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> DID WE APPROVE THE MILLION

DOLLARS? OR DID WE APPROVE 725? >> WE HAVE NOT APPROVED ANYTHING. SO AT THE LAST MINUTE, I GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION A BUDGET. WELL NO I WOULD BE COMING BACK THIS MEETING FOR YOUR APPROVAL. SO FAR TODAY, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS YOU HAVE HEARD THE PLANS FROM THE CULTURE FOR NEXT YEAR.

GIVEN ABLE TO HAVE AN INITIAL REVIEW OF THE BUDGET. THIS VERSION OF THE BUDGET WHICH I AM PRESENTING TODAY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST VERSION THAT I PRESENTED IN JUNE ARE THE DIFFERENCES ARE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW LINE HERE IN CATEGORY TWO.

SORRY. I HAVE THESE -- AND THESE HERE , THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST THAT WERE BROUGHT TO YOU GUYS AT YOUR REQUEST, BECAUSE YOU ASKED THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU DID NOT ASK YOU MAKE A -- MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES -- YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY LAST TIME TO APPROVE THE BUDGET OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET BUT INSTEAD WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ORDINANCE TO GO BACK AND PUT IN

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>> IF WE APPROVE THE 1,000,072 WHATEVER THE EXCESS IS IN THE BUDGET TODAY , I AM ASSUMING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO APPROVE THE BUDGET? ARE WE ABLE TO THEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AT A

FUTURE MEETING AND ADD -- >> SO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BEGUN THE FINAL REVIEWING AT THE END OF AUGUST WHEN THE ULTIMATELY REVIEW THE FINAL BUDGET AT THE BEGINNING OR THE END OF THE TEMPER. I THINK THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION HAS ALREADY PUT FORTH THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. AND I THINK THE TDC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE THAT . I THINK THE LONGER YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, CONSIDERING THE BOCC MAKE THEIR FINAL BUDGET APPROVAL AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, I THINK IT GETS HARDER AND HARDER FOR THE COUNTY TO APPLY THOSE CHANGES THAT I THINK IF WE WANT TO MAKE, IF THE TDC WOULD LIKE TO ADVISE A CHANGE TO THE BUDGET , TODAY IS PROBABLY THE DAY TO DO IT. YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION ALSO IN AUGUST. THEY JUST CONSIDER IT MORE CHALLENGING FOR THE COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT IT AND GET IT BOCC IN

TIME FOR THEM TO EXECUTE . >> IF WE APPROVE THE BUDGET TODAY FOR 1,000,072 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS , WHICH WE HAVE THE FUNDS FOR, AND NEXT MONTH, CAN WE DO A REVISED BUDGET? AND SAY WE WANT WHEN -- 1,000,003? WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, IT CAN WE GET THE 72,000 IN THE BOOKS NOW? IF WE CANNOT DO THAT, WE STILL HAVE THIS EXTRA 72,000 INSTEAD OF

>> I THINK THE MOTION IS TO GET 300 -- CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH. YOU

TAKE THE 70 OUT, IT IS 300. >>

>>

THAT MAKES SENSE . >> I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION IF WE HAVE THE ANSWERS IN AUGUST. WE DO HAVE TWO MEETINGS , POSSIBLE MEETINGS HERE, BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO VOTE ON THE BUDGET. MY GUESS IS IF WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND WE ARE OUT OF LINE WITH THAT, WE WILL BE TOLD. BUT AT LEAST WE PUT OUR POSITION ON THE TABLE.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY STRUCTURE THAT AS A TWO TIER RECOMMENDATION. YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS OUR PRIORITY IS TO GIVE THE 70,000 TO 61 OUT OF CATEGORY TWO.

HOWEVER, OUR PREFERRED IS TO READ THAT UP WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM , FILL IN THE BLANK IT THAT WAY, IF THAT IS, THERE ARE KIND OF TWO DISCUSSION POINTS GOING ON HERE. THAT IS THE FUNDS IN CATEGORY TWO AND OTHER FUNDS. YOU CAN TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOCC REFLECTIVE OF THAT. SO FUN IS AMENABLE, YOU STILL HAVE THAT 70,002 61 .

>> OKAY. SO WHAT WAS JUST STATED , I WILL ADD A SECOND TO THAT. I WILL ADD -- THE GOAL IS , THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO REACH 1 POINT 33 876. -- THAT IS TO TRY TO REACH THAT GOAL. BY ADDING AN EXTRA 70,020 $61 , ADDING THAT TO CATEGORY TWO.

THAT IS ONE OPTION. OPTION TWO IS TO TAKE THE REMAINING FUNDS THAT SAME AMOUNT OUT OF CATEGORY TWO FUNDS. AND CATEGORY FIVE. I AM LOOKING AT YOU. YES. AND YOU CLARIFIED IT LAST. THE REMAINING DIFFERENCE. IF AT ALL POSSIBLE?

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE IT SHOULD BE TWO MOTIONS. ONE THAT WE CAN DO

. >> I THINK IT IS JUST ONE. MINE

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BUT NEXT MONTH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOMEONE FROM BUDGET. OR WHAT IS AVAILABLE? THERE IS ALWAYS AWAY.

YOU KNOW? THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. IT HAS TO GO TO THE BOARD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO I SUPPORT THE MOTION THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN. BUT I DO IT WITH THAT CAVEAT. AGAIN, IF IT MIGHT CHANGE AGAIN, WE MIGHT BE MORE MINDFUL OF CATEGORY

ONE. SO. >> DO WE HAVE ANY LEGAL YET?

>> I WOULD BRING THIS BACK BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT WE CAN USE OUR RESERVES IN CATEGORY FIVE. BUT IT IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL

OF THE BOARD TO REALLOCATE. >> IS THAT RESERVES?

>> IT IS ALL RESERVES. IT IS LISTED AS REMAINING FUNDS, BUT

IT IS CURRENTLY RESERVES. >> TO GET US INTO STATE LEGAL, THAT IS WHERE WE WENT TO THE 5%. ALL OF THAT MONEY THAT IS IN CATEGORY FIVE SITTING THERE, IS IN RESERVES. I JUST DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS ANTICIPATED PROJECTS AT THIS TIME. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF THE GRANT. I AM SURE SOME OF THAT MONEY IS EARMARKED SOMEWHERE ELSE TOO. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOOD I'M COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THE MOTION IN PLACE. WITH US LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER THAT IS NOT YOUR MAXED -- EARMARKED IN CATEGORY FIVE? I DON'T KNOW IF I MADE MYSELF AS CLEAR AS I COULD. EFFECTIVELY THING I HAVE ABOUT COMPROMISING AGAIN. WE CAN USE THE HIGH PERCENT EXPENSES AS

WELL, CORRECT? >> YEAH.

>> SO I SUGGEST THAT WE USE THE FULL AMOUNT. THE 70,000 PLUS THE 145796 THAT WILL THEN GET YOU 216,000 057 . THAT IS ROUGHLY ONLY $172,000 FROM THE COMMON GOAL OF WHAT WE ARE

TRYING TO GET TO. >> SO WE CANNOT USE THE FULL AMOUNT. REMEMBER , JESSE, IT MIGHT BE BEFORE YOU JOINED US.

SO JESSE GAVE A PRESENTATION IN DECEMBER. HE EXPLAINED TO US THERE IS BOTH COUNTY ORDINANCE ANNE STATE STATUTE THAT GOVERN RESERVES. ONE OF THEM, AND MY APOLOGIES BUT I DO NOT NUMBER WHICH IS WHICH WOULD ONCE IS YOU HAVE TO RETAIN A MINIMUM OF A 2% RESERVE FOR THE OTHER ONE SAYS YOU SHOULD NOT BE OR CANNOT BE RETAINING MORE THAN 10% FOR THESE RAINY DAY RESERVES FOR THE CAVEAT THERE WAS THAT THOSE ARE RESERVES AND THE TWO USES OF LEGAL LANGUAGE THERE, THOSE ARE RESERVES BEING HELD SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT RAINY DAY. IT IS NOT SAYING YOU CANNOT HOLD RESERVES WITH THE INTENT OF USING THEM IN THE FUTURE. YOU CANNOT SAY, WELL, THINGS MIGHT GO SOUTH B STACKING AWAY MONEY UNDER THE MATTRESS THAT IT WAS THE 2% MINIMUM. 10% MAXIMUM. THE TDC HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT AT LEAST IN TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS, IF NOT THREE. REALLY NEVER CAME TO A CONSENSUS ON WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE SHOULD BE. AND SO IS DIRECTLY, THE COMPANY HAD USED 5%. WE JUST WENT WITH 5%. THE LAST DISCUSSION, ONE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD SAID THAT SIX IS THE MIDDLE OF TWO AND 10. SO IT COULD'VE BEEN SIX BUT WE JUST WENT FIVE. WE HAVE TO RETAIN BY, I CANNOT REMEMBER. THE FLORIDA STATUTE , AT LEAST 2%

FOR THAT RAINY DAY. >> MAYOR, THAT WAS ABOUT TWO INNINGS BEFORE YOU JOINED US. I THINK THE LOWEST THE COUNTY AND THE HIGH WAS THE STATE . YOU CANNOT HAVE OVER 10 IS WHAT I REMEMBER. I THINK WHAT JESSE SAID. I WOULD RATHER STAY BEFORE THEM TOUCHING THAT OTHER RESERVE. I RATHER STAY. WE HAVE TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT NEXT MONTH, WE MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT NEXT MONTH THAT WAY, WE KNOW WE ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE ARTS REGARDING THAT.

>> I THINK IT IS A GOOD, MY ONLY FEAR IS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE LINE. AND MY ONLY FEAR OF COMMITTING MONEY IS ARE YOU LOSING PROJECTS FROM FIVE? THOSE THAT ARE NOT GOING TO TWO? THAT IS WHY WANT THE BUDGET TO SAY, LET'S EARMARKED THERE. WE KNOW WE HAVE A BIG GRANT. BUT THAT THEY GRANT , IT WAS REALLY BIG FOR US HERE IN

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>> IF I MAY JUMP IN REAL QUICK? CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. MORE PROJECTS THAN EVER BEFORE IN THE C.A.P.

X. >> NOW I NEED TO DEFINE THAT.

>> TO ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL. WE ALL GOT SCALPED. ARTS AND CULTURE. IN THE COUNTY

SPEAKERS ] >> WE MOVED OFF THE LIST IN THE

COUNTY. >> IT LOOKED LIKE MILLION DOLLARS . BUT OUTSIDE OF THE GRANT -- AN ABSOLUTELY. WE GOT 59 MILLION IN FUNDING LAST YEAR AND 26 THIS YEAR. IT GOT SCALPED ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, I GUESS, HAVING MORE INFORMATION AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT CATEGORY FIVE. IF THE BOCC DOES NOT WEEP OUT OF EACH CATEGORY WITH THE INTENTION OF SETTING UP THESE CATEGORIES.

>> THAT IS WHY I MADE THE TWO TIER REFERENCE. BECAUSE IF THE LOAN DOES THAT , AND THE CATEGORY FIVE, WHAT THE BOCC

SAYS -- >>

>> YES, JESSE. HEY! COME ON DOWN.

>>

LAUGHTER ] >> DO NOT GET COMFORTABLE, JESSE.

>> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE LESSON AGAIN.

>> THERE YOU GO. CHECK.

AFTERNOON, JESSE. JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS. THERE ARE ABOUT 70,002 61 IN CATEGORY TWO AND FOLLOW-UP FROM A CONVERSATION ON THE WAY DOWN. CERTAINLY BUT I THINK THIS IS WHAT TROY WAS REFERENCING. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. BUT THERE IS ONLY COMMON USERS RIGHT NOW, 70,002 61 IN CATEGORY TWO. IN CATEGORY FIVE, I SHOULD BE PHOTOGRAPHING STUFF AS I WALK OUT. THERE IS EXCESS . OH, $5 MILLION. THE QUESTION THAT WAS KIND OF POSED AS I WAS LISTENING THERE, IT TO HAVE OTHER PROJECTS? I WOULD ABSOLUTELY. THERE ARE MULTIPLE.

THESE ARE THE DOLLARS FOR THE COASTAL. WE ARE USING THOSE FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS. THE REMAINING RESERVE .

>> IT SAYS -- >> SO THERE, THOSE DOLLARS ARE USED FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS. THOSE THAT ARE ONGOING. WE HAVE THE SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH . THE B-TREE NOURISHMENT PROGRAM. WE HAVE THOSE DOLLARS FOR CURRENTLY THE -- CSR EMBED THE COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE THE CELL -- PROJECT THAT WE HAVE SOME, AND THAT WAS A ONE-TIME PROJECT. WE HAVE ONGOING, OR POSSIBLY, SOME UPCOMING PROJECTS . WE HAVE A SOUTH -- PROJECT THAT MAY BE A RECURRING. THAT COULD BE A FIFTY-YEAR PROGRAM. AND THEN THERE IS ALSO THE CONSIDERATION OF A -- PROJECT. THERE IS SUMMER HAVEN CONSIDERATIONS. THERE ARE NUMEROUS PROJECTS FOR WHICH THERE ARE RESERVES BUT AT THIS POINT, AS YOU HAD ASKED, THEY ARE SET ASIDE AT THIS POINT THERE WAS PROJECTS ARE IN

DEVELOPMENT. >> TIM, CAN WE NAIL DOWN A NUMBER? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW MOVING 311,000 OUT OF THAT RESERVE RIGHT NOW. JUST OFF OF THIS BOAT. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE, I MISS THE, NOT RIGHT NOW, JESSE. I WILL NOT PUT YOU ON THAT BIG OF US THOUGHT.

ALREADY GOT YOU DOWN FROM UPSTAIRS. BUT BY THE NEXT MEETING, CAN WE NAIL DOWN WHAT COULD BE THE PROJECTED EXCESS?

>> I'M SORRY. NO, THOSE PROJECTS ARE BEING, THEY ARE BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS ACCUMULATE DOLLARS BUT WE KNOW THOSE PROJECTS ARE OUT THERE.

FOR ME TO TARGET WHAT THOSE PROJECTS LOOK LIKE, -- TO MYSELF REMOVE THE 311 RIGHT NOW, IS IT GOING TO HURT?

>> WELL, I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT BUT I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING TO ACCUMULATE AS MANY DOLLARS FOR THAT IS WHY CATEGORY FIVE WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT MAKES ALL THESE PROJECTS, AGAIN, THEY WERE BEING DEVELOPED. THERE WERE DOLLARS THAT WERE NEEDED FOR THIS. THAT IS WHY PART OF THE CATEGORY FIVE WAS ESTABLISHED.

>> JUST KIDDING.

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BACK THERE. >> YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU THE ORDINANCE DOES PROVIDE LANGUAGE FOR, I BELIEVE IT IS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ULTIMATELY TO MAKE A DECISION OF ANY REMAINING DOLLARS. THOSE THAT COULD BE TRANSFERRED BETWEEN CATEGORIES. SO THIS COMMISSION, I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT RECOMMENDATION. I BELIEVE THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE

ORDINANCE. >> I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION. A

MOTION AND A SECOND. >> IS GOING TO BE HARD. EVEN THOUGH I WANT TO SUPPORT THE ARTS, I JUST, THOSE PROJECTS ARE 30-$40 MILLION. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME UP.

THE BEACHES ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOP, IF NOT THE TOP TOURIST DESTINATIONS IN THE COUNTY. I TAKE THE CULTURAL SIDE OF IT , I LOVE WHAT WE DO AT THE AMPHITHEATER AND WHAT THEY DO DOWNTOWN. OF THE ORGANIZATIONS ON THE LIST. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOCC WILL STAND , DOING THAT ONE PROJECT , IT

IS $30 MILLION . >> I CAN TELL YOU, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. MAKE THE BOCC MAKE A DECISION ON IT .

>> SORRY. I THE OPPORTUNITY. -- THINK WE SHOULD DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND NOT PASS THE BUCK TO SOMEBODY ELSE MAKING THE DECISION. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU FEEL, AND YOU SHOULD VOTE THAT WAY. BUT I ALSO THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE BY A LOT OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY TO GET CATEGORY FIVE ESTABLISHED. I DO NOT REALLY THINK IT IS -- RIGHT NOW TO CHANGE THAT, UNLESS WE ARE WILLING TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. I THINK IT IS NOT SHOWING THE PROPER STACK OF ALL THE WORK.

THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE VERY

INVOLVED. >> IRVING KASS, I WAS INVOLVED IN 1998. I RAN THE 43 MILES OF BEACHES, OKAY? I KNOW THAT -- CAME THROUGH HERE, RIGHT? IT WAS $311,000 RED IT CAN EASILY BE DONE . IT IS NOT GOING TO HURT THOSE BEACHES. I STILL THINK THERE IS EXCESS THERE COULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE

NUMBERS. >> OKAY. IT'S PUT IT TO A

VOTE. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM THINKING.

>> SO THE MOTION, AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A SECOND. EXACTLY WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON IS TO APPROVE BOTH THE 72,000 ASKING THE BOARD FOR THE ADDITIONAL 311?

>> USING THE $70,261 THEY HAVE BEEN REMAINING FUNDS, AND THEN PULLING FROM THE REMAINING FUNDS OF WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. TO GET TO THE NUMBER , THE NUMBER FROM CATEGORY FIVE.

>> DO UNDERSTAND THAT? >> CAN YOU PULL UP THE CATEGORY FOUR RESERVES? HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN THAT?

>> 111. >> 111038.

>> CAN WE TAKE SOME OF THAT BACK?

>> THAT IS YOUR PLEASURE. YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THE USE OF THOSE REMAINING FUNDS FOR A PROJECT THAT COULD BE THERE IS NO RESTRICTION OR STIPULATIONS ON CATEGORIES ONE THROUGH FIVE. IT IS SIMPLY

LANGUAGE THAT ADDRESSES THAT. >> I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO COMPROMISE WITHOUT TAKING AN ENTIRE CHUNK FROM THE SPECIFIC -- WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOUR GOAL WAS IN THE BEGINNING, TROY BLEVINS. I MEAN, I THINK WE TRY TO ADD THE 111,000.

ACTUALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE REMAINING FUNDS IS, WHAT? 363038? AM I READING THAT RIGHT?

>> NO. YOU'RE LOOKING AT -- BACK THAT IS BEFORE WE ARE INCREASING. ONLY. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING HERE IN CATEGORY FOUR.

THE 366038 IS THE BUDGET AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE TDC IN JUNE. IN JUNE, THE TDC AS WE COULD GO BACK TO THEM AS APOLOGIES . SO YOU HAVE YOUR ADDITIONAL REQUEST BUT THAT IS OVER TO THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THAT 366. YOU CAN FEEL THAT IMPACTS THE BUDGET THEY ARE. THE LAST , THE LAST COLUMN TO THE RIGHT. AND SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE, YOU HAVE --

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REMAINING FUNDS DOWN FROM TWO 1 >> I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO TAKE

OUT OF THAT AS WELL. >> UTILIZED YOUR VOTING AGAINST

THE CATEGORY THAT FUNDS -- >> I GOT IT. BUT THE BEACHES ARE JUST AS THE COURT IN TWO SAINT AUGUSTINE AS CATEGORY

FOUR IS . >>

>> IT IS RIGHT NOW. AT SOME POINT, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE GOOSE FOR GRANITE BUT I THINK WERE GOING TO DO IT, I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO COMPROMISE. I THINK IF IT IS GOING TO COME FROM RESERVES, I THINK IT SHOULD TAKE AS MUCH AS WE CAN FROM OTHERS. AT AN LIMIT TWO CATEGORIES. I AM SURE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE BOCC PERSPECTIVE. I WANT TO SEE WHAT IS GOING TO PASS. THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO

NEED THE MONEY . >> I MUST RECORD WELL TAKING IT OUT OF CATEGORY FOUR THAT I AM OUT OF FIVE. JUST AS YOU'RE TALKING WHAT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST THAT COME TO MOUNT OUR -- BEACH. 30 OR $40 MILLION FOCUS POINT.

NINE, 10? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD FOR TAKING TAT OUT OF CATEGORY FIVE.

>> I THINK THAT IS VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CATEGORIES YOU COULD SEE? I WILL CHIME IN AND SAY CATEGORY FOUR IS KIND OF OUR CATCHALL CATEGORY. IS KIND OF THE EVERYTHING IN THE KITCHEN SINK IS OFTEN HOW I DESCRIBE IT WHEN I GO THROUGH THE DESCRIPTIONS WITH YOU ALL AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD. SO I WOULD SAY, MY IMPRESSION OF THE FIVE CATEGORIES, NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL OF THE BOCC. CATEGORY FOUR IS THE MOST AVAILABLE OR THE LEAST PRETENTIOUS. IT DOES HAVE SO MANY HODGEPODGE OF THINGS YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT.

>> ARE WE SURE THAT THOSE NUMBERS , THAT IT IS EXACTLY

111 038? JESSE? >> WELL, SO WHAT JESSE CANNOT SPEAK TO THE 111 03 BECAUSE I DID NOT RUN THROUGH HIS OFFICE AND HE CAN SPEAK TO -- THAT IS THE BUDGET AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE GOING ON IS -- SO WE CAN DO THE MATH, HE CAN SUBTRACT 366038 AND SUBTRACT 255. THAT WILL GET US THE NUMBER WE ARE

GETTING. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THT OKAY. MY GOAL IS IF THERE IS UNDERGROUND AND THERE, WE ARE GETTING CLOSER. THE END RESULT WITHOUT -- I AM JUST TRYING TO, WHAT I AM GETTING, THE FEEDBACK I AM GETTING, EVEN FROM COMMISSIONER ARNOLD. I WANT TO GET THE MONEY TO THE CULTURAL PEOPLE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE MONEY. AND THIS IS NOT THE LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE THE MECHANISM. EVEN THOUGH IT MAY GO FORWARD HERE AND THE BOCC MAY DENY , THAT DOES NOT HELP THE END RESULT. I AM TRYING TO HELP GET US TO THE

END RESULT HERE. >> AND I JUST SAY THAT BOCC , THERE ARE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE AT THE TABLE. THEY HAVE EVERY, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING -- THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS. THINGS THEY WILL UNDERSTAND IT IS VERY POORLY STATED. THEY CAN COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PLAN AND THEIR FAITH. IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN HOW THINGS, THAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS TO SEE WHAT YOU DID BEFORE, WE ARE HAPPY TO SHOW IT TO THEM AGAIN. I AM STRUGGLING WITH WHAT IS GOING TO THE BEST LOOK. CAN I SUGGEST FOR DYLAN RUMRELL , AND ALTERNATIVE MOTION? IT INC. BUT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THIS. THE TDC WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE FUNDING OF THE ACH GRANTS TO 1,000,380 THOUSAND $976. WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SO WHILE WE'LL MAINTAINING AT LEAST A 5% RESERVE IN EACH OF THE CATEGORIES. KEEPING THAT 5% RESERVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE

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THOSE THAT COME FROM , CELTIC, MAY BE CATEGORY FIVE. I MAYBE WANT TO PUT A PERIOD THERE. BUT I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, WE WANT TO HOLD THAT 5% RESERVE. AND THAT WE WANT TO DRIVE DOWN THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. AND OMB CAN KIND OF WORK THROUGH THOSE NUMBERS WOULD NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT GREAT ON THE FLY, BUT NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT A+ THAT WAY YOU DO HAVE A MOTION THAT LOCKS YOU INTO DOLLARS. ALEXI WENT TO SENTIMENTS. IT ALLOWS THE BOCC TO APPROVE WHATEVER NUMBERS THEY NEED TO WIN TESTING ESTEEM REVIEW.

>> ONE CLARIFICATION. HE SAID CATEGORY ONE ?

>> I MET TWO. MY APOLOGIES . >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MOTIONS. WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THE FIRST MOTION.

>> OKAY. I'M SAYING THAT AS I'M ADDING IT, WE ARE OPPOSED TO -- HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING MUCH MONEY AS FAST. TO ME, CATEGORY FIVE

>> I WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON THIS MOTION. I CANNOT DO IT --

>> SECOND. >> CATEGORY FIVE IS CONTINUALLY GATHERING MONEY. THEY ARE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY RIGHT NOW. IT IS ALREADY PROJECTED THAT THESE PROJECTS , I CANNOT BELIEVE I AM THE ONE THAT WANTS TO SPEND MONEY OUT OF CATEGORY FIVE. I WANT YOU TO PUT THAT IN . LOOK AT THE EXPENDITURES BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS SPENDING

MORE THAN IT IS BRINGING IN. >> I JUST SAY, AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH YOU, WE ARE BEING TOLD BY OUR REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CDC, THAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIKELY MORE SUCCESSFUL. THAT IS WHERE I AM HEADED. GOING DOWN THAT THE PATH. LOOK WHERE YOU ARE HEADED.

>> SHE IS GOING TO CARRY A HEAVY LOAD.

WANT HER TO BE HAPPY. AND THAT

>> YEAH.

OFFICER OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING EARLIER IN THAT DISCUSSION TODAY. SO WHAT IS IN OUR BUDGET THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TOMORROW HAS A RESERVE IN CATEGORIES

FOUR FOUR THE -- 416038. >> SPEAKERS ] THAT IS NOT CONSIDERING ANY RESERVE OR ANY TRANSFER THAT WAS DONE EARLIER DURING THE TDC MEETING .

>> THAT WAS ABOUT 161,000.

>> I DON'T THINK HE HAS THE 225,000 YOU GUYS ADDED . DRINK IT DOES NOT FIT BUT YOU GUYS HAVE THAT ADDED THAT EITHER BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU WILL NEED A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD THAT.

>> ADDING THAT TO 166. YOU GET TO THE 400 NUMBER. IF I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY. IT WAS FOR 16 AND LAST 255. THAT IS REMAINING.

YEAH. 161038 IS WHAT IS REMAINING ON THAT. 038.

>>

CLOSER. >> WILL YOU HELP ME RESHAPE

THIS MOTION? >> OKAY.

>> MY SUGGESTION TO THE TDC FOR CONSIDERATION IS , THE TDC WOULD LIKE TO FUND , THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE RECOGNITION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT FOR FY25, WE FUND THE ACH GRANT LANE AT 100 380 THOUSAND DOLLARS $976. IN ORDER TO MAKE

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CATEGORY TWO >> THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANTED TO DO WHAT WE CAN AFFORD THROUGH TWO. AND FOUR, AS THE MOTION. WE DO NOT WANT TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO TAKE

MONEY OUT OF -- >> THAT IS WHAT I SAID. WHAT I'M SAYING, OKAY. WHAT I AM SAYING IS -- ALL RIGHT. LET'S LOOK AT THE SCREEN FOR A SECOND. CATEGORY TWO. OKAY. SO WHAT WE SEE IS THERE IS A POT OF MONEY IN CATEGORY TWO. THAT IS COLLECTIVELY CALLED RESERVES, RIGHT? HOWEVER, THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND/OR FLORIDA STATUTE, WE CANNOT SPEND ALL OF THAT OBLIGATED TO RETAIN AT LEAST 2%. HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE HELD ONTO FIVE PERCENT SO IF WE HOLD ONTO THAT 5% , WHAT IS AVAILABLE IN CATEGORY TWO HERE IS $70,261 . AND PER MY SHEETS IN MY MOUTH, BASED ON O&B , IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT. WHAT IS AVAILABLE IN CATEGORY FOUR , IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THAT A GHOST OF THEM IS APOLOGIES, AND YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THE 5%

RESERVE, IS $111,038. >> OR WHATEVER AND THE 111. WHICH WE KNOW WE HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY. INSTEAD OF ASKING WHICH WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET THE OTHER 100 AND I DO NOT THINK THAT IS WHERE YOU GET THROUGH THAT

INFORMATION. >> SO YOUR GOAL IS TO GET, SO YOU GUYS, YOUR GOAL. I AM RESTATING --

>> I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE OUR GOAL OF TREATMENT THAT IS FINE.

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

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CONVEY.

>> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE MAKE THE FULL GRANT FUNDING AMOUNT OF -- WE PLAN TO PRESERVE THE 5% RESERVES LEVELS IN EACH CATEGORY. THAT WE USE CATEGORY TWO AND CATEGORY FOUR FOR RENAMING FUNDS.

>> OVERAGES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS IN THE RESERVE. TO FUND THAT NUMBER. THAT IS 1 MILLION

>> I THINK IT IS THAT WE DO NOT USE ANY MORE FUNDS FOR WHATEVER THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE, THAT IS THE CLOSEST.

>> OTHERWISE -- >>

TO THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. >> SO THE REALITY IS, IT IS 1,181,000 . I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT TO ACTUALLY BUDGET WHAT WE HAVE MONEY FOR. THAT IS 1 MILLION 181. I KNOW WE WANT

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>> JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAN. WHATEVER MONEY IS LEFT IN RESERVES, CATEGORY TWO. DOES NOT THE 5% AND WHATEVER IS LEFT THAT DOES NOT TOUCH THE 5% WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.

>> THE BUDGET NUMBER WILL NOT BUDGET -- WILL NOT BALANCE OR THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT 1 POINT A PEER THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO

BUDGET 1.3. >> WILL HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE EXTRA. BRING THIS LINE IN THE BUDGET. THAT IS REALLY INTENDED TO DO THAT. THE NUMBERS DO NOT MATCH.

>> WE ARE NOT PUTTING IN -- INTO THE BUDGET AND THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THEY ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION , THE TDC IS, ULTIMATELY. MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR JESSE'S OFFICE TO GO AND DO SOME MORE MATH AND COME WITH A MORE REFINED RECOMMENDATION.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS TRYING TO STATE YOUR GOAL IS. AROUND THE FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNTY STAFF TO COME UP WITH WHAT THAT EXACT NUMBER IS . IF YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER , YOU CAN. IT IS LIKELY NOT GOING TO FALL SHORT OF WHAT IS ON HERE. IT IS PRETTY CLOSE. IT IS NOT EXACT. AT A DISCUSSION. USING THE 5% FOR THE REMAINING FUNDS. TO ALLEVIATE --

>> PUT A BUDGET NUMBER IN.

>> I DON'T THINK WE DO. IS THE NUMBERS THEY COME UP WITH FOR JESSE HAS A NUMBER, TERROR HAS A NUMBER. LET THEM COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER APPEARED JUST USING WHATEVER IS LEFT IN RESERVES, CATEGORY TWO AND FOUR IS THE MOST SIMPLE WAY TO PUT IT READ

>>

SO SECOND. >>

>> OKAY. ANY COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. LET'S VOTE.

>> OKAY, I GOT ONE. ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE. I DO NOT WANT ANY MONEY COMING OUT OF CATEGORY FOUR. WE ARE SPLITTING THE PENNIES. WHERE STEALING FROM THE POOR. NOT TAKING FROM THE

RICH. GO AHEAD AND VOTE ? >> SARAH ARNOLD.

>> YES. >> TROY BLEVINS.

>> NO . >> CHARLES COX .

>>

>> --

MICHAEL WICKS >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO THE

NEXT. >> NIGHTS OF LIGHTS. WHO IS

DOING THAT? WHOEVER IS -- >> APPROVING THE BUDGET.

>> HOLD ON. YES. WE STILL HAVE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DENA MASTERS. WE STILL HAVE HERE ON CATEGORY FOUR, WE NEED SOME DIRECTION ON IF THE TDC WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADDITIONAL 255 SHOWN IN THIS NEXT TO THE LAST COLUMN TO THE RIGHT? THAT IS THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST FROM THE CITY'S THE FUNDING PROGRAM FUNDING CAPS? IN THE ORDNANCE BEING MOVED

LATER ON THIS FISCAL YEAR. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

[9. NIGHTS OF LIGHTS DISCUSSION AND UPDATE]

APPROVE. I WILL SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> LET'S TAKE A VOTE.

>> >> SARAH ARNOLD.

>> YES. >> TROY BLEVINS.

>> YES. MICHAEL GORDON. >> YES. IRVING KASS.

>> YES . MAYOR NANCY SIKES-KLINE .

>> YES. >>

>> YES . MICHAEL WICKS >> YES.

>> CONGRATULATIONS. I THINK WE ARE READY FOR ADJOURNMENT?

>> YES. THAT NIGHT FLIGHTS UPDATED LAST MONTH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION. IT WAS SUSAN CAME UP AND HAD SOME INFORMATION SHE SHARED AND KIND OF HAD A LITTLE REQUEST. AS THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE TDC WITH THE KNIGHTS OF LIGHTS

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WHAT I DID IS THERE WERE NUMBERS FOR THE KNIGHTS OF LIGHTS . THAT IS WE FLICKED THE LIGHTS ON IN NOVEMBER, AND WE FLICKED THEM OFF USUALLY AT THE END OF JANUARY. SOMETIMES IT WANDERS INTO A COUPLE DAYS OF FEBRUARY BECAUSE THE WAY THE LANGUAGES WITH THE CITY. BUT MOSTLY, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY. SO THE TOP TABLE IS THE NEXT TAX REVENUE TO THE DEPARTMENT. THE TIME PERIOD THAT IS SHOWN THAT IS LEVIED AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ARE SHOWING FROM THE BOTTOM, THAT IS THE TOTAL OF TDT COLLECTED DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. THE BREAK DOWN.

COMPARING THE REVENUE COLLECTION. THE VERY BOTTOM LINE. FISCAL YEAR 21 IS THE YEAR OF COVID FOR US. FISCAL YEAR 2021 WOULD'VE BEEN THE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 2020.

BUT THIS KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO HOW THE TAX COLLECTION HAS BEEN DOING THE KNIGHTS OF LIGHTS TIME PERIOD.

AND BELOW THAT, THAT IS THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PARKING GARAGE NUMBERS. THAT IS THE WEATHER OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING. LOOKING AT THAT SAME OF NOVEMBER DECEMBER AND JANUARY.

ACROSS THE SAME YEARS. THIS IS SIMPLE TOTALS. AND THEN BELOW IS THE GROWTH BELOW THE YEAR. ACTUALLY, BOTH OF THESE TABLES . I HAVE A LITTLE ASTERISK THERE. IT SAYS FISCAL YEAR 2022 GROWTH AS COMPARED TO FISCAL YEAR 2020 GROWTH. I JUST SKIPPED OVER THE FISCAL YEAR 21 BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA IN A MORE NORMAL PERIOD. FACTORING IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2021, IT IS CLOSE TO THE FY 22 NUMBERS WE ARE COMING BACK FROM THAT NEGATIVE YEAR OF COVID THIS IS KIND OF AN INSIGHT OF WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE FOR NIGHTS OF LIGHTS . OVER ALL , THIS PERIOD IS SEEN A LOT OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. EIGHT YEARS OF YOU ARE ON THE TABLE. I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS . THIS IS WHAT I HAVE FOR KIND OF THE NUMBERS AND INSIGHTS. I WOULD ALSO INVITE YOU, SUSAN, OR CHRISTINA? AS A WHOLE AS WELL.

ONE OF THE OTHER INITIATIVES WE HAVE DONE. BUT WE HELPED WITH THE CHAMBER TO OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY WITH ASSISTANCE WITH THE LIGHTS AND BUSINESSES. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE ELECTRICITY AND THE CONNECTION. AND THEN WE WILL WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT . WE LOOK AT THEM TO PUT THE LIGHTS AND FILL SOME OF THOSE AREAS.

NIGHTS OF LIGHTS. -- TO ENGAGE . IT IS A LITTLE HARDER TO ENGAGE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A PARKING GARAGE OR A DESIGNATED PLACE FOR TDC COUNTY.

ALSO, OKAY. THERE ARE NO RUSSIANS ON THIS. SO WHAT SUSAN HAD PRESENTED LAST TIME AND WHAT SHE WAS ASKING IN A NUTSHELL, SUSAN, IF I GET IT WRONG, PLEASE COME UP AND SHARED. BUT WHAT SHE WAS ASKING WAS FOR US TO JUMP INTO THE NIGHTS OF LIGHT MARKETING A LITTLE BIT . AND SHE HAD A FAIRLY EXTENDED WINDOW. IT DID START IN JULY. IT WOULD OVER INTO FY25. I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH SUSAN TO IDENTIFY SOME FUNDS TO UTILIZE AND START OFF THE FIRST WAY WITH THE ADVERTISING. THAT IS JULY 22ND THROUGH -- WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WE PUT A PAUSE ON THAT. THAT WANDERS INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO TAKING ACTION ON THAT. BUT WE ARE GOING TO START MARKETING

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>> GO AHEAD. >> I THINK ALONG WITH THIS NUMBER THERE ARE NUMBERS FOR THE TDT. BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS,

[10. MONTHLY REPORTS PROVIDED IN PACKETS]

THE SUCCESS OF THE LIGHT. >> THAT IS FAIR. I WILL UPDATE

THIS INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ITEM.

>> >> WE HAVE A REPORT FROM SUSAN

SUMMERS. >> DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO

REVIEW THIS IN YOUR PACKET? >> DOES ANYONE NEED A FULL

PRESENTATION FROM SUSAN? >> NO, I DO NOT NEED A FULL PRESENTATION. I THINK IT WAS TROY HAD MENTIONED THAT JUNE WAS A TERRIBLE MONTH. SO I WOULD LOVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF ANALYTICS ON WHERE WE ARE HERE TODAY VERSUS PREVIOUSLY.

TRYING TO REVIEW. AND NOW THAT I'VE HEARD THAT INFORMATION IN THE PRINT WAS SO SMALL. TRYING TO DO THAT. I WOULD LOVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE YEAR TO DATE. VERSUS PREVIOUS.

THE CONCERN WITHIN THE INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHERE WE ARE AT HEAD WE WERE DOWN 15% IN JUNE. WE ARE DOWN 9% IN JULY ALREADY. THAT IS NOT TRENDING IN A GOOD POSITION RIGHT NOW. AND THE HOTELS WE HAVE, THEY ARE IN A PRIME LOCATION. IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. WE ARE IN AS GOOD AS SHAPE AS ANYBODY BECAUSE THEY GO TO -- IF WE ARE DOWN THIS MUCH, I AM SAYING A LOT OF OTHER COMPANIES ARE DOWN OVER 20 AND

25%. >> ONE OF THE TELLTALE SIGNS AS IF YOU GO INTO, THERE IS A PAGE IN HERE THAT SHOWS THE SEGMENT OF WHERE BUSINESSES ARE COMING FROM. IT IS COLLECTIONS. IT IS NOT THAT PAGE.

IS ON MY COMPUTER. >> IT IS NOT THE STARR REPORT.

WERE INTERESTING. IT IS THE COLLECTIONS. THE TYPE OF PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY, THE SEGMENT THAT IS DONE WELL AND FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. IT HAS NOT HAD NEGATIVE DOWNFALL WHICH IS BEEN APARTMENTS, AIRBNB'S . BUT ALSO THE INVENTORY HAS BEEN GROWING EVERY MONTH. WE ARE COLLECTING MORE MONEY IN THAT SEGMENT. BUT THE PROPERTIES ARE NOT DOING BETTER. THEY ARE ACTUALLY JUST, WE ARE UP MORE. THE HOTEL IS IN THAT SAME REPORT, I CANNOT FIND IT RIGHT NOW. IN THAT REPORT , IT SHOWS SOME NEGATIVE TRENDS. IF YOU START LOOKING AT THE SUBSECTIONS, WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH TWO THINGS OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS WITH THE GROWTH. ONE IS A TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN AVERAGE 1.3 STOPPED ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO. AND THE BRAKES ARE GOING ON. WE ARE IN A DEFLATIONARY PERIOD. THE GROWTH OF AIRBNB'S HAVE GROWN. THOSE COLLECTIONS .

WE ARE GOING LIKE THIS AND WE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY GOING LIKE THIS. THE DOLLARS ARE GOING LIKE THIS. I WILL FIND THAT IN A SECOND. OKAY. SO THAT IS LITTLE MORE OF THE STORY.

>> >> THE NUMBERS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR FOLDER EVERY MONTH OUR ALWAYS ABOUT TWO MONTHS BEHIND. BECAUSE THEY ARE WHEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY, THE NUMBERS ARE SUBMITTED FOR THE TAX COLLECTOR. BUSINESS THAT WAS ALREADY DONE. THERE IS A DELAY. ALTHOUGH THE TEXT IS SMALL. IF YOU COULD READILY READ IT, SO YOUR REPORT ACTUALLY INCLUDES ANY SORT OF COLLECTIONS INFORMATION FOR

JUNE OR JULY. >>

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>> WE DO OUR BUDGETS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, PROJECTIONS. WE ARE YEAR-TO-DATE, VERSUS PRIORITY.

>> PURCHASED A LITTLE OVER 2% UP FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. WE ARE AT 2.2% ABOVE MAY. SO AS OF THE END OF MAY, MAY OF 2024, THAT IS TO .2% ABOVE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. ABOVE MAY OF 2023.

>> AND WE PROJECTD TO BE WHERE?

>> I BELIEVE WE PROJECTED ORIGINALLY TO BE 4% BUT ALONG THE WAY, WE MADE THAT DOWN TO TWO.

>> HAD AN EXCELLENT FIRST QUARTER. AND IT KIND OF JUST ALOFT. SO USING THE SAME THING?

>> BEEN IN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH MEDIA AND BOOKING.COM. AND THERE IS A , FROM A MACRO STANDPOINT, A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN DEMAND. SO IT IS NOT JUST US .

>> IT IS THE WHOLE STATE. >> IT IS NOT JUST FLORIDA OR SAINT AUGUSTINE. BUT IF YOU JUST WENT ON WEBSITES AND YOU LOOKED AT RATES MIDWEEK, TYPICALLY, THE FOUR STAR PROPERTIES IN SAINT AUGUSTINE WOULD BE 300-350. AND THEY HAVE BEEN, FOR EXAMPLE , -- HAS BEEN ONLINE FOR $225 PER NIGHT. THAT JUST TELLS YOU THAT THE MAN IS NOT THERE. BECAUSE IT IS NOT

LOGICAL. >> THE AVERAGE DAILY RATE WITHHOLDING. AND NOW AFTER JUNE, WHAT HAPPENED IN JUNE IS IT WENT DOWN.

BECAUSE THE ADR WAS HOLDING, IT ALLOWED US TO MEET THOSE PERCENTAGES . BUT THE -- WAS DOWN. SO NOW THE ADR WENT DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DOWNWARD SPIRAL IN THOSE NUMBERS.

HOPEFULLY SOMETHING CHANGES . IT IS NOT JUST HOTELS. IT IS ATTRACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE.

>> UNIVERSALS . THEY SAID THIS IS THE LOWEST SUMMER THEY HAVE EVER HAD. SO IT IS STATEWIDE. I CALL IT FLORIDA FATIGUE. THE GREAT STATE WAS OPEN FIRST. DURING COVID. AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO PLACE. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING AND STUFF.

>> THE NEW MARKETING THAT IS COMING IN IS REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO PUSH BUT I THINK THE STATE MARKETING COMPANY IS

GOING TO HAVE TO TOO. >> THERE ARE TWO OTHER INTERNATIONAL ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY IMPACTING US. EUROPE IS NOT COMING TO THE UNITED STATES . IN THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO EUROPE. THERE ECONOMY IS A LITTLE BEHIND. AND SOUTH AMERICA, ESPECIALLY BRAZIL, IS NOT TRAVELING THE UNITED STATES. AND BRAZIL IS A HUGE MARKET FOR FLORIDA. AND THE SAME WITH ALL OF EUROPE. AND SO THOSE TWO SEGMENTS , BESIDES THE FLORIDA FATIGUE, THOSE HAVE NOT COME BACK SINCE COVID. I EXPECT THOSE TO START COMING BACK THIS YEAR. BUT THAT WILL DRIVE THE DEMAND . WHEN I WAS IN MIAMI, THIS WAS ABOUT 30 IT WAS ALL EUROPEANS AND SOUTH AMERICANS.

AND THATBEACH SPOKE ENGLISH BUT IT WAS ALL EUROPEANS. BUT THERE WASN'T ONE PERSON --

>> JUST A NOTE ON THIS. SOMETHING SUSAN LOOKS AT IS

TRAVEL. >> WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO.

IT IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SOME -- EXACTLY WHAT OUR

NUMBERS ARE. >> IF I CAN ADD TO IT, YOU GUYS. ALL OF YOUR POINTS ARE DEFINITELY WELL TALKING WITH EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SEEING. MY PHONE HAS BEEN CRAZY. WHAT IS HAPPENING. WE SAW JEAN STARTED AT THE -- THE END OF JULY WILL BE EVEN WORSE. FOR US, BRAZIL WILL COME BACK. THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS AN ISSUE IN TALKING WITH VISIT FLORIDA CMO.

HE TOLD ME ALL THE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN -- THE PROBLEM IS, THEY ARE DOING SOME OF THE SAME THINGS. AND OTHER THINGS. SO IT

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>> FACTORS, JASONE OF THE KEY

[11. MEMBER COMMENTS]

WORK. >> AND OTHER MONTHLY REPORTS,

ANYONE? MEMBERS OR COMMENTS? >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. I TALKED ABOUT CATEGORY THREE. I ABOUT CATEGORY SO IT'S

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AND SO WHILE YES, OUR RESIDENTS ARE RESIDENTS AND THEY ARE ALL WHEN IT COMES TO TB T, THAT'S GEARED TOWARD TOURISM.

IF IT'S PARKING, AND TOURISM ACCESS AND PEDESTRIAN BASE, WE

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