[1. Live Wildly Foundation Presentation. Founded in 2022, the Live Wildly Foundation is a 501(c)3 family foundation that applies an entrepreneurial approach to protecting Florida’s natural resources while seeking to balance smart growth, a robust economy, and a connected, resilient landscape. Live Wildly is committed to working across the state of Florida and is excited to be partnering with Sing Out Loud for the “Live Wildly Showcase” in St. Augustine this year. As in years past, collaborations with non-profit organizations remain a pillar of Sing Out Loud, and a portion of ticket sales from the Live Wildly Showcase will be dedicated to conservation efforts within St. Johns County. With the Sing Out Loud partnership, Live Wildly is focused on engaging with local stakeholders in St. Johns County to amplify conservation efforts in the NE region of the state.]

WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE LIVE WISELY FOUNDATION PRESENTATION.

MORNING. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS MEREDITH BUDD, AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC INITIATIVES WITH THE LIVE WILDLIFE FOUNDATION.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE TODAY AND TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT OF ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE ARE WORKING HERE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

HOW DO I. THERE WE GO.

THE LIVE WILDLIFE FOUNDATION IS A 500 1C3 FAMILY FOUNDATION, AND WE WERE STARTED ACTUALLY BY A TECH ENTREPRENEUR BASED IN TAMPA.

AND AS SUCH, WE ARE TASKED WITH EMPLOYING A AN ENTREPRENEURIAL APPROACH TO OUR MISSION, WHICH IS THE CONSERVATION OF FLORIDA'S NATURAL RESOURCES AND WILDLIFE, WHILE ALSO SEEKING TO BALANCE SMART GROWTH WITH THE ROBUST ECONOMY AND A CONNECTED, PROTECTED, RESILIENT LANDSCAPE.

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AS A FAMILY FOUNDATION, WE ENGAGE WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS AND WE WANT TO BUILD COALITIONS, FOSTER COLLABORATION BETWEEN AND AMONGST STAKEHOLDERS, AND PROVIDE RESOURCES AND EMPOWER STAKEHOLDERS BY DOING SO, THAT CAN HELP ADVANCE OUR COLLECTIVE CONSERVATION EFFORTS.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST CONSERVATION FOR CONSERVATION'S SAKE.

WE ARE STRIVING TO ACHIEVE A BALANCE FOR THE NEEDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT, WITH THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE FOR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

AND WE ARE UNIQUE IN THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BRAND CAMPAIGN TO RAISE PUBLIC AWARENESS.

AND THROUGH THE BRAND, WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DEVELOP AN APPRECIATION FOR AND VALUE OF WHAT MAKES FLORIDA, FLORIDA.

AND WE CAN MAKE SURE IN THAT WAY THAT OUR MOST IMPORTANT NATURAL RESOURCES ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF DECISION MAKING AND CONSIDERED FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

SO, AS YOU ALREADY LIKELY KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN UNPRECEDENTED STATE INVESTMENT IN THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.

LIVE WILDLIFE FUNDER PLAYED AN INTEGRAL ROLE IN HELPING TO ESTABLISH THE CORRIDOR IN 2021, WHEN IT WAS PUT INTO LAW.

YOU KNOW THAT THE CORRIDOR IS AN 18 MILLION ACRE LANDSCAPE, AND IT'S NOW RECOGNIZED IN FLORIDA STATUTE.

10 MILLION OF THOSE 18 ARE ALREADY IN SOME FORM OF PROTECTION.

SO WHETHER THAT BE LOCAL, STATE, MAYBE FEDERAL PROTECTED LANDS.

BUT THE REMAINING 8 MILLION ACRES ARE WHAT WE CALL OPPORTUNITY AREAS, MEANING THAT THOSE AREAS ARE STILL IN PRIVATE OWNERSHIP AND THEY ARE AT RISK FOR CONVERSION TO SOME OTHER FORM.

AND SO WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THOSE LANDOWNERS AND WORK WITH PROGRAMS TO FIND FUNDING, SECURE FUNDING TO PROTECT LAND, WHETHER THAT BE AT THE STATE LEVEL OR AT THE LOCAL, REGIONAL LEVEL.

SO LIVE WILDLY IS, OF COURSE, COMMITTED TO PROTECTING THE REMAINING ACRES NEEDED TO PROTECT THE CORRIDOR TO HAVE AN INTACT LANDSCAPE ACROSS THE STATE. WE KNOW THIS BENEFITS WILDLIFE, AND WE ARE ALSO FUNDING STUDIES TO SHOW THAT IT HELPS OUR WATER RESOURCES AS WELL.

THAT STUDY CAME OUT LAST YEAR, AND WE JUST RELEASED OUR CLIMATE REPORT SHOWING THE BENEFITS THAT THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR HAS FOR OUR RESILIENCY TO THE CHANGING CLIMATE THAT WE ARE SEEING.

BUT WE ARE EQUALLY AS COMMITTED TO ENSURING AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE CORRIDOR ARE ALSO PROTECTED AS A FOUNDATION COMMITTED TO BALANCING THAT ECONOMY WITH ECOLOGY. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE PROTECT AREAS CLOSE TO URBAN CENTERS AS WELL FOR THOSE SAME BENEFITS, THOSE SAME REASONS FOR WILDLIFE, FOR CLIMATE RESILIENCE AND THE LIKE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT BRINGS US HERE TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME MAPS THAT YOU MAY BE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT'S HERE IN THE COUNTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, ON THE SCREEN, NOT MUCH OF THE CORRIDOR IS HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

YOU CAN SEE AT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE MAP, THE DARK GREEN AND LIGHT GREEN REPRESENT THE CORRIDOR.

DARK GREEN ALREADY IN CONSERVATION.

LIGHT GREEN. OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT SAINT JOHNS COUNTY HAS A SUPER STRONG CONSERVATION FOUNDATION.

THANK YOU TO YOUR LEADERSHIP.

AND ALL OF THE DARK BROWN SPOTS ON THE MAP ARE ALREADY PROTECTED HERE IN THE COUNTY.

THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW, IS BASED OFF OF A MODEL CALLED THE FLORIDA ECOLOGICAL GREENWAYS NETWORK.

AND THERE'S FIVE PRIORITY LAYERS FOR THIS NETWORK.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE PRIORITY LAYERS WRITTEN OUT ON THE SCREEN.

THE CORRIDOR ONLY ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF PRIORITIES ONE THROUGH THREE.

AND SO IN THAT WAY, THAT IS WHY NOT MUCH OF THE CORRIDOR IS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF THE COUNTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BLUE AND DARK BLUE AND THE BLUE, THE LIGHT BLUE AND THE DARK BLUE ARE PRIORITY FOUR AND FIVE.

AND SO PRIORITY FOUR IS SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITIES TO PROTECT LARGE, INTACT LANDSCAPES REGIONALLY.

SO THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE TO THE PUZZLE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR DESIGNATION.

AND SO WE ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON HOW WE MAKE SURE THESE IMPORTANT, THESE REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT AREAS ARE PROTECTED.

AND SO AGAIN, NOT IN THE CORRIDOR BUT IMPORTANT FOR CONSERVATION CONSIDERATION.

AND THIS FINAL MAP I'LL SHOW YOU IS JUST THE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THERE'S A FUNDING AVAILABLE TO COME TO THIS COUNTY FOR CONSERVATION PROJECTS.

THE FIRST THREE ON THE LIST THERE ARE THE ESTABLISHED FLORIDA FOREVER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE STATE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MATANZAS TO OCALA CONSERVATION CORRIDOR PROJECT IS ACTUALLY IN THE CORRIDOR.

A PART OF IT RATHER IS IN THE CORRIDOR OPPORTUNITY AREA.

BUT THE LARGE PART OF THESE FLORIDA FOREVER PROJECTS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR, BUT STILL AVAILABLE FOR STATE FUNDING.

AND THEN SMALLER ON THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR RURAL AND FAMILY LANDS PROTECTION PROGRAM PROJECTS THAT ARE THE FILLED IN DARK PURPLE.

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THOSE PROJECTS ARE PRIMARILY CONSIDERED FOR CONSERVATION OF AGRICULTURE AND AGAIN, OPPORTUNITY FOR STATE FUNDING TO COME INTO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

HERE WE GO.

I MENTIONED THAT LIVE WILDLY HAS A BRAND CAMPAIGN, AND IT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON HOW WE CONNECT PEOPLE TO NATURE.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIND THEMSELVES IN WILD FLORIDA.

IF YOU CAN APPRECIATE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE MORE INCLINED TO WANT TO PROTECT THEM AND TAKE ACTION.

SO WE HAVE A SHORT PSA AND I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO PULL THAT UP.

IT'S 30S JUST TO GIVE YOU PANTHERS.

WE LOVE THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR LIVING IN THE WATER.

THEN YOU LOVE THE. A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR BECAUSE OF THE WATER BEING IN YOU.

THE CORRIDOR. THERE'S. THIS THIS CORRIDOR, CORRIDOR, CORRIDOR.

IF YOU LOVE ICE FISHING. NOW THAT'S MORE LIKE IT.

THIS, THAT, THAT, THIS, ALL KINDS OF THIS AND WHATEVER THAT IS.

IF YOU LOVE FLORIDA, YOU LOVE THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.

JOIN THE MOVEMENT TO PROTECT ALL OF ITS 18 MILLION ACRES THAT LIVE WILEY.COM.

I HOPE YOU ENJOYED IT.

WE THAT ACTUALLY AIRED IN SEVERAL MARKETS ACROSS THE STATE, INCLUDING THE JACKSONVILLE AREA MARKET BACK IN 2021 AND 2022.

SO HOW IS LIVE WILDLY WORKING TO LET'S SEE WORKING WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY? WELL, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED AND INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME OUR WAY TO PARTNER WITH SING OUT LOUD THIS YEAR.

AS YOU KNOW, THE FESTIVAL COMBINES MUSIC WITH COMMUNITY AND WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE.

THIS YEAR'S FESTIVAL WILL BE TITLED THE LIVE WILDLY SHOWCASE, WHICH IS REALLY HELPING TO PROMOTE AND INSPIRE A MOVEMENT TO PROTECT AND CONNECT WILD FLORIDA, ESPECIALLY THOSE PLACES THAT MAY NOT BE HIGHLIGHTED BY THE FLORIDA WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.

BUT HERE, RIGHT HERE IN YOUR BACKYARD IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

AND A BIG PIECE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE PROMOTING HOW PEOPLE CAN GET OUT AND ENJOY THE SPECIAL PLACES THAT YOU HAVE PROTECTED THAT YOU SAW ON THE MAPS EARLIER THAT ARE ALREADY IN CONSERVATION, GETTING PEOPLE OUT THERE TO ENJOY AND APPRECIATE THOSE SPECIAL PLACES THAT YOU ALL HAVE.

AND ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL OUTCOMES OF THIS PARTNERSHIP IS THAT THE FESTIVAL, AS IN YEARS PAST, IS DONATING $10 FROM EVERY TICKET SOLD TO CONSERVATION HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

SO LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE ABOUT 27,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED THE FESTIVAL.

SO IF THE NUMBERS TRACK THAT'S LOOKING AT BRINGING SOMEWHERE AROUND $270,000 BACK INTO YOUR COMMUNITY TO PROTECT, LAND AND PROTECT WHAT MAKES SAINT JOHN COUNTY SO SPECIAL.

ALONG WITH THIS PARTNERSHIP, LOVE WILDLY IS ALSO HAS JUST LAUNCHED WHAT WE CALL OUR JOIN THE MOVEMENT CAMPAIGN, AND WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE ON SITE ACTIVATIONS FOR THIS AT THE UPCOMING FESTIVAL IN SEPTEMBER, WHERE WE WILL BE ASKING PEOPLE TO SIGN A PLEDGE TO PROTECT WILD FLORIDA.

IT'S QUITE SMALL ON THE SCREEN, BUT OUR PLEDGES WERE IN UP THERE AND I REALLY DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO THE LINK THAT'S LISTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.

IT'S A IT'S A VERY POETIC PIECE WHERE IT'S ELICITING A FEELING OF GETTING PEOPLE OUT THERE AND CONNECTING TO NATURE AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND VALUE WILD FLORIDA AND MEMBERS OF THE MOVEMENT WILL GET.

ONCE YOU SIGN THE PLEDGE, YOU BECOME A MEMBER.

AND ONCE YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE MOVEMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ACCESS TO A COMMUNITY OF LIKE MINDED INDIVIDUALS, AND YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO GET MEMBER EXCLUSIVE BENEFITS SUCH AS RETAILERS. AGAIN, WHAT MAKES THIS EVEN MORE IMPACTFUL IS THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT SIGNS THE PLEDGE LIVE WILDLY FOUNDATION IS DONATING $1 TO LAND CONSERVATION HERE IN THE STATE. OUR OFFICIAL LAUNCH FOR JOIN THE MOVEMENT WAS LAST MONTH, AND WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE INSIDE ON SITE.

EXCUSE ME ACTIVATIONS AT SING OUT LOUD IN SEPTEMBER.

BUT OUR OFFICIAL LAUNCH FOR THE JOIN THE MOVEMENT WAS ACTUALLY JUST LATE LAST MONTH WHEN NATIONAL RECORDING ARTIST JJ GRAY ACTUALLY SIGNED THE PLEDGE HIMSELF.

WE ARE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO HAVE JJ GRAY AS A SPOKESPERSON FOR OUR JOIN THE MOVEMENT CAMPAIGN, AND WE WILL HAVE OUR FIRST IN-PERSON PERSON ACTIVATION AT THE CONCERT AT THE AMPHITHEATER THIS UPCOMING WEEKEND.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW JJ, HE IS A JACKSONVILLE NATIVE, AND HIS MUSIC OFTEN REFLECTS HIS CONNECTION TO THIS REGION'S LANDSCAPES AND WATERWAYS.

SO WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO BE AT THE AMP THIS WEEKEND.

WORK WITH THE FOLKS FROM FROM THE AMPHITHEATER, WORK WITH JJ GRAY, WHERE HE IS GOING TO BE ASKING PEOPLE AT THE CONCERT THIS WEEKEND TO GO TO THE WEBSITE, SIGN THE PLEDGE AND PROTECT WILD FLORIDA AND PROTECT WHAT MAKES OUR PLACES HERE IN FLORIDA AND RIGHT HERE LOCALLY IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, SO SPECIAL.

SO I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

WE ARE REALLY, REALLY THRILLED TO HAVE FOUND REALLY FANTASTIC PARTNERS HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY TO BRING AWARENESS TO CONSERVATION.

I WILL SAY AFTER I SUBMITTED MY SLIDES, WE DID ALSO SECURE A SPONSORSHIP FOR THE MUSIC AND ART BY THE SEA FESTIVAL, WHERE WE'LL BE PRESENT THERE AS

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WELL. THIS SUMMER.

I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO ATTENDING THE KICKOFF EVENT THIS WEEK ON WEDNESDAY THERE AS WELL.

SO IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY A FANTASTIC PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FORM HERE AND TO HELP RAISE THE IMPORTANCE TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN PEOPLE AND NATURE.

SO WE HOPE TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH LOCAL PARTNERS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RESOURCES WHEN NEEDED AND TO ELEVATE OUR COLLECTIVE CONSERVATION GOALS.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN, AND I HOPE YOU WILL ALL JOIN US IN THE MOVEMENT TO PROTECT WILD FLORIDA.

THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU MA'AM.

APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE THE BOARD COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION REALLY QUICK.

I LOVE THE IDEA.

I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.

I'M SURE OUR OUR COUNTY, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LOVE THIS IDEA.

WHAT? I'D LIKE TO. I JUST WOULD LOVE YOUR OPINION ABOUT DEVELOPERS CLEAR CUTTING THEIR PROPERTIES.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE RULES AND PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OPEN SPACE, AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE BALANCE.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA AND WE WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

BUT LIVE WILDLIFE FOUNDATION REALLY PRIDES OURSELVES ON TAKING A PRAGMATIC APPROACH TO CONSERVATION NEEDS.

AND SO THERE ARE AREAS OF LESSER ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN THAT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO SITE AND PLACE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE REALLY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THAT.

HOW DO WE FIND THE SPACES THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR DEVELOPMENT? MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLEARING PROPERTIES ARE DOING THAT IN A PLACE THAT'S LESS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO PROTECT THOSE AREAS THAT ARE OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY, WILDLIFE CONNECTIVITY, WATER RESOURCE CONNECTIVITY THAT WILL HELP US MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE, FLOODING FROM STORMS. AND SO IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT BALANCE.

HOW DO WE DEVELOP WHERE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AND PROTECT WHAT WE NEED MOST? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MEREDITH. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.

I'VE GOT JUST TONS OF QUESTIONS.

SURE. AFTER REVIEWING YOUR SLIDES I KIND OF WANT TO, LIKE, LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE I GUESS HATCHED AREAS.

AND ONE OF THEM WAS IN THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY.

YEAH. THAT ONE. ANYHOW, I HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN TRYING TO GRAB SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE THAT ARE IN THAT SORT OF PINKISH HATCHED AREAS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOCAL CONSERVATION FUND THAT WE JUST ENACTED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

BUT OF COURSE, IT'S NEVER ENOUGH MONEY.

WE CAN'T ACQUIRE ALL THE LAND WITH THE RISING COST OF LAND PRICES.

BUT THERE'S ALSO THE RURAL AND FAMILY LANDS PROGRAM.

THERE'S THE FLORIDA FOREVER PROGRAM, THERE'S THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST IS LIVE, WILDLY ABLE TO PARTNER WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND WORK IN COOPERATION WITH OUR LOCAL FUNDING SOURCE.

COULD WE ALL WORK TOGETHER THROUGH LIVE WILDLY TO MAKE SOME OF THESE LANDS, OR TO PUT SOME OF THESE LANDS INTO CONSERVATION IN THE FUTURE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN? YES, DEFINITELY. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU, WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND REGIONAL PARTNERS LIKE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST, WHO ARE GOOD PARTNERS OF OURS, TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE COBBLE TOGETHER, SO TO SPEAK, THE FUNDING NEEDED IN ORDER TO PROTECT THESE AREAS THAT ARE OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE? YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A PIECE ON THE FLORIDA BLUEWAY PROJECT THAT THERE MAY BE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY ACTUALLY, FOR ALL THREE OF THESE.

SO, SO THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT IF IT'S APPROVED IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, THAT MONEY COULD GO TOWARDS FLORIDA FOREVER PROJECTS HERE WITHIN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

IT WAS A MODIFIED ITEM FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED.

AND SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDING TO COME HERE TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

AND WE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND OTHER REGIONAL PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THAT MONEY FLOWING TO WHERE IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE.

WELL, IF IT'S OKAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ME, BUT I HOPE WE CAN MAKE THAT MEETING WITH OUR STAFF HAPPEN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME TRULY AMAZING PROPERTIES WITH ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS THAT ARE ON A LIST.

WE HAVE RATIFIED A FORMAL LIST AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACQUIRE THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU FOR THE $10 FEE THAT'S GOING TO GO ALL INTO CONSERVATION LANDS, EVEN IF IT'S 270 OR $300,000.

THAT IS QUITE THE GIFT TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THANK YOU. WELL AND GOOD.

BIG THANK YOU TO THE SING OUT LOUD, FOLKS.

IT'S A IT'S BEEN A TRADITION OF SINGING OUT LOUD TO FOR THE CHARITY FEE.

AND SO WE ARE JUST HONORED TO PARTNER WITH THEM TO BE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE THAT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

WELL, FIRST, MEREDITH, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET FOR LUNCH ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND YOU WALKED ME THROUGH THE PROGRAM VERY WELL.

AND I ALSO CAN'T PASS UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO GABE PELLISSIER WHO HAS BEEN WORKING TENTATIVELY EARLY ON ON THIS CONCEPT OF BRINGING IN LIVE LIVELI TO THE SING OUT LOUD ANNUAL FESTIVAL.

AND SOMEONE WHO ALSO HAS GIVEN PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF VOLUNTEER WORK IS MAYOR RUMRILL, WHO'S IN THE BACK, ALWAYS KIND OF QUIET, BUT

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NEVERTHELESS, HE'S WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES, TRUST ME ON THIS PROJECT.

AND SO TO ALL OF YOU, I WANT TO OFFER MY THANKS.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

[2. World Golf Village Survey Analysis and Strategic Recommendations. As the County moves forward with the Purchase and Sale Agreement (PSA) due diligence stage for the assets of the World Golf Foundation, staff is seeking direction from the Board on the next steps. The County engaged TPMA, Inc. to conduct a series of citizen input sessions and a survey to gather information on what residents would like to see for the future of World Golf Village. Brett Wiler, Senior Director, Economic Development and Strategic Planning, will present the findings from this work along with recommended strategies for the next step in this process.]

THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ON ACTIONABLE ITEMS. ARE YOU LEGAL? DO YOU WANT TO CONFIRM SHE HAS A QUESTION? WELL, I MEAN, THERE ARE THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT ON ACTIONABLE ITEMS, BUT ACTION STATIONS, THERE'S NOT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WORLD GOLF VILLAGE ANALYSIS AND STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALL RIGHT. COLIN GROB DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

GLAD TO BE HERE.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

IF YOU RECALL, WE STARTED PUBLIC COMMENT TO KIND OF FRAME THE VISION FOR THE NEW WORLD GOLF VILLAGE AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BECOME LAST EARLY, LAST FALL. AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN VERY PATIENT WAITING FOR THE RESULTS OF ALL OF THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WE GOT, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TODAY.

THE DELAY REALLY WAS WE WANTED TO LOCK UP AND TIE UP THE FOUNDATION PROPERTY, WHICH WE'VE DONE.

WE HAVE A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH DUE DILIGENCE.

SO WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THOSE FINDINGS.

AND AT THE END, WE DO ARE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THE NEXT STEPS, WHICH WE HAVE PRESENTED BY CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD, IF THEY CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STEPS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. WITH THAT, I WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT, BRETT WYLER.

ON HIS WAY WITH TMA.

THAT'S THE FIRM THAT HAD HANDLED ALL OF THE SURVEY WORK AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND HE'S GOING TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THAT AND OFFER SOME STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, BRET. GOOD MORNING.

IT'S NICE TO SEE SOME OF YOU AGAIN.

I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET VIRTUALLY WITH MOST, IF NOT ALL OF YOU, A FEW MONTHS BACK AS PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.

SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH YOU TODAY.

I'M ALREADY. THERE WE GO.

OKAY. SO AS COLIN MENTIONED, MY NAME IS BRETT WYLER.

I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH A FIRM CALLED TMA.

WE ARE A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANCY BASED OUT OF INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA.

HOWEVER, WE ARE A FULLY REMOTE TEAM WITH EMPLOYEES ACROSS 15 STATES, INCLUDING A FEW IN FLORIDA.

WE HAVE WORKED IN 48 STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR THAT HAWAII WIN SO WE CAN TAKE A TRIP OUT THERE.

BUT I'VE THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THIS IS MY SECOND TRIP TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, BROUGHT MY FAMILY LAST SUMMER, AND HAVE REALLY ENJOYED MY TIME DOWN HERE.

SO OUR FIRM SPECIALIZES IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION.

PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANCY.

MYSELF, I HAVE BEEN IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW, WORKING FOR BOTH COUNTY GOVERNMENT, WORKING IN THE NONPROFIT SECTOR AND NOW WORKING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AS A CONSULTANT.

SO OUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH SAINT JOHNS COUNTY SINCE SPRING OF LAST YEAR ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES, ONE OF WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.

WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN, AND WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME SURVEY ANALYSIS AND ARE PROVIDING SOME HIGH LEVEL STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE HASTINGS FOLKS THAT WERE FINALIZING WITH COUNTY LEADERSHIP HERE SHORTLY.

SO TODAY OUR DISCUSSION IS AROUND THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

WE DID SOME SURVEY ANALYSIS AND HAVE PROVIDED SOME HIGH LEVEL STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.

COUNTY LEADERSHIP, THE TEAM THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH ON THE COUNTY END, THEY DEVELOPED THE QUESTIONS FOR THE SURVEY.

WE ADVISED THEM ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT WE HAVE ANALYZED THE RESULTS WITH THOSE RESULTS.

WE'VE PROVIDED SOME HIGH LEVEL STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.

WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED SOME BRIEF, BUT HOPEFULLY HELPFUL CASE STUDIES TO ILLUMINATE SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND TO ILLUMINATE SOME OF THE POSSIBILITIES OF, AS COLIN CALLED KIND OF THE NEW WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

SO I'M GOING TO GO INTO THOSE NOW.

JUST SOME BASIC SURVEY RESULTS.

THE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED FROM JULY TO SEPTEMBER 2023.

YOU'VE BEEN VERY ANXIOUS AND PATIENT AS WE'VE ANALYZED THE RESULTS.

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AND FINALLY HERE TO PRESENT THEM WE HAD ABOUT 4900 RESPONDENTS TO THE SURVEY.

AND INTERESTINGLY ABOUT 55% OF THE RESPONDENTS LIVE WITHIN FIVE MILES OF THE PROPERTY. 90% OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE REPRESENTATIVES OR, I'M SORRY, RESIDENTS OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

WE ASKED PARTICIPANTS ABOUT THE CURRENT USAGE AND EXPERIENCE OF WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

ABOUT 60% OF THE RESPONDENTS SAID THEY HAD VISITED THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE IN THE LAST YEAR AT LEAST OR BETWEEN 1 TO 10 TIMES.

HALF OF THOSE RESPONDENTS SAID THAT THEY VISITED THE THEATER AND DINING.

THOSE WERE THE TOP PURPOSES FOR THEIR VISITS.

YOU WILL SEE IN OTHER CATEGORY UP THERE.

SOME OF THE OTHER ANSWERS WERE NOT EASILY ALIGNED WITH SOME OF THE PREDETERMINED RESPONSES, BUT THEY WERE GENERALLY CATEGORIZED THREE WAYS THEY WERE VISITING FOR EITHER THEIR RESIDENCE WAS THERE OR EMPLOYMENT.

THEY WERE VISITING FOR SOME AMENITY USE, OR THEY WERE ATTENDING SOME TYPE OF PRIVATE EVENT ON THE PROPERTY.

THE COUNTY ALSO ASKED WHAT PARTICIPANTS PARTICULARLY ENJOYED ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE AT THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT THE SCENERY AND AMBIANCE WAS THE HIGHEST RESULT, WITH 71% CITING THAT THE CONVENIENCE AND ACCESSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SERVICES AVAILABLE ALSO GARNERED SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANT RESULTS.

ONCE AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE SOME OTHER RESPONSES IN THE RESULTS.

AND WE'VE OUTLINED SOME OF THOSE RESPONSES HERE.

AGAIN, TRY TO CATEGORIZE THEM.

SOME OF THE ANSWERS WERE, I WOULD SAY ANOMALIES.

SOME OF THEM WERE SOMEWHAT ALIGNED.

AND SO FITTING THEM IN THE OTHER CATEGORY WAS THE DECISION WE MADE.

BUT AGAIN, THE LANDSCAPE, ATMOSPHERE AND THE SAFETY OF THE PROPERTY WAS CITED AS A REASON.

THE CONVENIENCE, IT WAS CLOSE TO THEIR HOME.

THE PARKING WAS ACCESSIBLE.

AND THEN AGAIN, SOME OF THE BUSINESS, RETAIL AND AMENITY OFFERINGS, THE IMAX THEATER SOME OF THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT AMENITIES, AND THEN SOME OF THE WALKING AND BIKE PATHS AROUND THE LAKE WERE ALSO CITED AS REASONS.

PARTICIPANTS WERE ASKED HOW THEY WOULD IMPROVE THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE EXPERIENCE.

YOU SEE HERE PRETTY CLEARLY THAT RESPONDENTS WERE LOOKING FOR MORE SERVICES AND AGAIN, RETAILS AMENITIES, RESTAURANTS, CAFES.

BUT THAT WAS VERY CLEARLY THE HIGHEST RESPONSE RATE FOLLOWED BY MORE OR BETTER ACTIVITIES ON THE PROPERTY.

ONCE AGAIN ANALYZING SOME OF THE OTHER RESPONSES.

WE DID SEE A WIDE VARIETY IN THESE RESPONSES, THESE OPEN ENDED RESPONSES.

AGAIN WE'VE CATEGORIZED THEM BY SERVICES AND ACTIVITIES.

I DON'T WANT TO READ EVERYTHING TO YOU HERE, BUT YOU'LL SEE AGAIN, A THEME A HUB WITH RETAIL, RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES, FAMILY FRIEND FRIENDLY RECREATIONAL CENTERS MORE AUTOMOTIVE SHOWS WAS AN ANSWER.

AND THEN WE ASKED OR SOME FOLKS PROVIDED SOME OF THE BUSINESS TYPES THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO AGAIN, A THEME HIGH END BUSINESSES, LOCAL BUSINESSES, MEDICAL COMPLEX, HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER.

WE HAD SOME RESPONDENTS REMARKED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHURCH THERE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN THIS SECTION THAT WE'RE SOME COMMENTS RELATED TO HOUSING.

HOUSING DREW VERY MIXED RESULTS IN THE SURVEY.

THE COUNTY ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ONE WORLD GOLF PLACE BUILDINGS.

ONE IN PARTICULAR, THE PREFERENCES FOR THE FUTURE OF THE IMAX BUILDING.

YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT 63% WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE IMAX IMAX IN OPERATION AS PART OF THIS QUESTION. OVER HALF BELIEVE THE COUNTY SHOULD MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF ONE WORLD GOLF PLACE.

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36% HAD NO STRONG FEELINGS AND 14% THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE COUNTY MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP.

LOOKING AT PREFERENCES FOR THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD GOLF HALL OF FAME BUILDING.

73% OF RESPONDENTS WANTED TO SEE IT BE OPERATED FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE.

WE CAPTURED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL USES FOR THE WORLD GOLF HALL OF FAME BUILDING.

YOU'LL SEE TWO COLUMNS HERE.

THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE PERCENTAGE OF RESPONDENTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TYPE OF FACILITY.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, RESPONDENTS WHO WOULD BE PARTICULARLY UNHAPPY WITH THAT USE.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE 65% OF RESPONDENTS WANTED TO SEE SOME TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY.

20% SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE PARTICULARLY UNHAPPY WITH THAT USE.

YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE TOP RESULTS AGAIN ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY, FOOD COURT OR A LARGE RESTAURANT, LEISURE AND RECREATION, CULTURAL USES, EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES OR EXPERIENCES.

AND THEN THE RESULTS ARE INVERSED RIGHT? NOBODY WANTS TO SEE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING ACTIVITY.

63% WOULD BE PARTICULARLY UNHAPPY WITH THAT USE.

WE ALSO ASKED ABOUT 21 WORLD GOLF PLACE, WHICH WAS THE HOME OF PGA TOUR PRODUCTIONS.

32,000 SQUARE FOOT CLASS A OFFICE SPACE.

RESPONDENTS, HALF OF THEM WANTED TO SEE PROFESSIONAL OR CORPORATE OFFICES.

ABOUT A THIRD WOULD CONSIDER A NONPROFIT OFFICES OR GOVERNMENT OFFICES.

YOU'LL SEE ABOUT 30% THERE RESEARCH AND SCIENTIFIC OFFICES AS WELL.

WE ASKED ABOUT SOUTH LEGACY TRAIL.

AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT 36 ACRES OF PARKING, DRAINAGE, RIGHT OF WAYS, SUBMERGED LANDS.

71% OF RESPONSES INDICATED THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY MAINTAIN CONTROL OF SOUTH LEGACY TRAIL.

AS I'VE MENTIONED, WE'VE INCLUDED SOME BRIEF CASE STUDIES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AGAIN, TO HOPEFULLY ILLUMINATE THE POTENTIAL AND THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE NEWLY VISIONED PROPERTY.

WE LOOKED AT EVEREST PLACE IN KISSIMMEE, FLORIDA 220 ACRES IN KISSIMMEE, LOCATED ON A LAKE WITH A NUMBER OF NATURAL AMENITIES. IT IS A MIXED USE CONCEPT WITH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT INCLUDE HIGH END CAFES, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, A CONFERENCE CENTERS, AND HOTELS.

WE TRIED TO PROVIDE A DIVERSE, A GEOGRAPHICALLY DIVERSE SET OF CASE STUDIES AS WELL.

YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE ARE NOT IN FLORIDA, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LARGER VIEW.

WE LOOKED AT EAGLE TOWN CENTER AND X AND PA.

IT'S A SUBURB OF PHILADELPHIA.

THEY DESCRIBE IT AS A SELF-CONTAINED COMMUNITY WHERE YOU CAN DINE, SHOP, LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

ONE OF THE FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY IS A TWO ACRE GREEN SPACE THAT HOSTS FESTIVALS, MOVIE NIGHTS, CONCERTS, FARMERS MARKETS, ETC.

ALSO PROMINENT ATHLETIC FIELDS AND COURTS, WHICH DRAWS RESIDENTS AND ALSO VISITORS FOR ATHLETIC COMPETITIONS, TOURNAMENTS, ETC..

LOOKED AT PRINGLE CREEK COMMUNITY IN SALEM, OREGON, A SMALLER PROPERTY, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS RELEVANT.

IT HAS A RESIDENTIAL FOCUS, WHICH WE KNOW IS NOT OF PARTICULAR INTEREST AT THIS TIME FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE SOME OF THE NOVEL COMMUNITY SPACES THAT IT FEATURES, INCLUDING GREEN ARCHITECTURE, GREEN HOUSES, OPEN SPACES PAIRED WITH HIGH END CAFES, SHOPPING, RETAIL AND RESTAURANT AMENITIES AS WELL.

AND LASTLY, WE LOOKED AT THE MOSAIC DISTRICT IN FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA.

30 RETAIL STORES, 38 RESTAURANTS, RANGING IN PRICE IN CUISINE.

A CONCENTRATION OF SERVICE ORIENTED BUSINESSES.

SO DRY CLEANERS, BARBERS, DOCTORS, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ETC..

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ONE OF THE ANCHORS IS A LUXURY HOTEL AND IT IS KNOWN FOR THE ANGELIKA FILM CENTER, WHICH IS A BIT OF A NICHE ATTRACTION, WE THOUGHT, SOMEWHAT COMPARABLE TO THE IMAX THEATER THAT YOU HAVE NOW.

BUT IT DOES BRING IN A LOT OF FOLKS INTERESTED IN FILM AND THE FILM INDUSTRY.

AS I MENTIONED, WE PROVIDED WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE PRETTY HIGH LEVEL STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE SURVEY RESULTS.

ALSO, WE ARE WORKING ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN WITH COUNTY LEADERSHIP.

SO WE RELIED ON SOME OF THAT CONTEXT THAT WE'VE GAINED THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

I THINK FIRST IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A REVENUE GENERATING PROPERTY.

IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SAINT JOHN'S TO CONTINUE TO BROADEN AND EXPAND THE TAX BASE AND THE ECONOMIC BASE OF THE COUNTY.

WE THINK YOU SHOULD RETAIN THE IMAX THEATER.

WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE HALL OF FAME BUILDING, WE THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO FOCUS ON RESTAURANTS, DINING, HIGH END RETAIL. WHEN CONSIDERING 21 GOLF PLACE.

AND THE CLASS A OFFICE SPACE AVAILABLE THERE, WE THINK A GREAT FIT WOULD BE EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES, PARTNERSHIP WITH THE UNIVERSITY, POTENTIALLY R&D FACILITY, HEALTH SERVICES.

WE ALSO BELIEVE A PUBLIC LIBRARY COULD ALSO FIT THERE AS WELL.

WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT COULD BE OR SHOULD BE A AN APPROPRIATE TARGET FOR SOME OF THE TARGETED INDUSTRIES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND THEN LASTLY, WITH THE SOUTH LEGACY TRAIL, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE AND I'M SURE YOU ALREADY ARE AWARE, BUT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING PARKING ACCESS AND MANAGING THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN SOME RECOMMENDED STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN OR SOME ACTION STEPS.

WE BELIEVE IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO DEVELOP A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, TO SOLICIT AND IDENTIFY PROPOSALS AND AN APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER TO ACTIVATE THE NEW WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

WE'VE OUTLINED A COUPLE OF TACTICAL STEPS SUMMARIZED HERE ON THE SCREEN.

WE GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT, BUT AS WE UNDERSTAND, THERE IS SOME PRELIMINARY DUE DILIGENCE OCCURRING TODAY.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE THAT DUE DILIGENCE, FINALIZE THAT DUE DILIGENCE.

THROUGH THAT, WE BELIEVE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CLARIFY A VISION FOR THE PROPERTY, A CONCEPT, GOALS.

WE WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO UTILIZE THE FINDINGS IN THE REPORT.

THIS REPORT TO DO THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNTY LEADERSHIP TO DEVELOP SOME SELECTION CRITERIA BEFORE GOING OUT WITH AN RFQ. COUNTY HAS INDICATED TO US THAT THEIR TIMELINE IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO RELEASE AN RFQ EARLY FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN ULTIMATELY SELECTED DEVELOPMENT PARTNER BY THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2025.

SO TRIED TO BE BRIEF.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

YES. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO HOW MANY RESIDENCES LIVE AROUND WORLD GOLF OR IN THAT COMMUNITY? SO AS WE MENTIONED, WE HAD ABOUT 4900 RESPONDENTS.

90% OF THOSE WERE RESIDENTS OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

54% OF THOSE RESPONDENTS LIVED WITHIN FIVE MILES OF WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

DO WE KNOW IT'S MIKE ROBERSON? I JUST WONDERED HOW MANY RESIDENTS IN THAT WORLD GOLF DO WE KNOW? BECAUSE I WAS COMPARING IT TO EAGLE VIEW TOWN CENTER, EXXON, PENNSYLVANIA.

SURE. WHICH IS KIND OF A COOL IDEA.

YEP. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW.

DO WE HAVE 1000 RESIDENTS IN THERE? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE IN THE NUMBERS? MY. OH, HE'S LOOKING IT UP OKAY.

AND. OH, YES, WE DO.

RIGHT. OKAY.

SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

AND THEN ARE WE GOING TO FOCUS ON MARKETING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE THERE, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE COMING IN? I KNOW THAT'S A HARD ROAD TO GET IN THERE.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT ON AN ANCHOR, YOU KNOW, AND I LIKE THE LIBRARY THAT, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, IS OUR GOAL OUTSIDERS IN OR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY LIKE THIS EAGLE VIEW TOWN CENTER

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I THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

YEAH. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TELLING YOU WHAT YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE.

I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A DESTINATION.

EXPERIENTIAL COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT SHOULD DRAW RESIDENTS FIRST AND FOREMOST.

BUT I THINK IT ALSO SHOULD DRAW OUTSIDERS AS OUTSIDERS IMPORT DOLLARS TO THE COMMUNITY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? KIND OF. BUT THAT'S THAT'S FINE.

YEAH. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

FASCINATING PRESENTATION.

THERE'S STILL I THINK WE HAVE DIRECTION BASED ON THE RESULTS OF OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVED.

THEY WANT RESTAURANTS OR RETAIL.

IS THERE A WAY TO FINE TUNE THAT? I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE THINKING, I WANT A SUB SHOP.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE THINKING, I WANT A HIGH END STEAKHOUSE WITH WHITE TABLECLOTHS, AND WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF RESTAURANTS.

CAN CAN WE GET MORE GRANULAR WITH THE FEEDBACK? I KNOW YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK, AND I'M NOT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE GO OUT FOR A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR LONG SURVEY, BUT HOW FINE TUNED CAN WE GET? IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

I WILL SAY, CAUTIOUSLY THAT THERE WERE THERE WERE QUITE A FEW SUGGESTIONS FOR HIGH END RETAIL AND DINING ESTABLISHMENTS.

I COULD DO SOME FURTHER ANALYSIS TO SEE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF FOLKS CITED THAT.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS A DISCUSSION WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AS WELL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR VISION, WHAT THEIR NETWORK OF VENDORS LOOKS LIKE.

BUT GIVEN THE SURVEY THAT WE'VE CONDUCTED, IT'S HARDER TO GET A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. ALSO, DO WE HAVE THE KIND OF FOLLOWING ALONG THE SAME LINES AS COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? I'VE BEEN OUT TO DENVER A HANDFUL OF TIMES.

THE CHERRY CREEK MALL AREA.

KIND OF STRIKES ME AS A PLACE WITH A LOT OF RESTAURANTS AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESTAURANTS.

IT HAS SOME RETAIL BUILT IN.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOWED HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL BUILT IN.

DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL HERE? BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL ACUTELY AWARE OF THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE RETAIL WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, ALTHOUGH IT WAS SURROUNDED BY ALL THESE HOUSES FOR, FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS.

THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THERE IS NOT EXACTLY WALKABLE.

OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL OR ENOUGH OF IT TO SUPPORT WHATEVER WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN HERE? YEAH. SO I DON'T WANT TO DODGE THE QUESTION.

I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING THAT A LITTLE BIT.

ANALYZING KIND OF THE RESIDENTIAL MARKET SPECIFIC TO THAT AREA WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF OUR SERVICE.

I WOULD SAY THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, BASED ON OUR FINDINGS THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.

AND I SUSPECT THAT THAT IS TRUE.

NEAR THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

BUT THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF OUR WORK TO REALLY ANALYZE THAT RESIDENTIAL MARKET UP THERE.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.

JUST AS A JUST AS A COMMENT TO THE BOARD, I FEEL LIKE.

GIVEN THE RESULTS OF THIS SURVEY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND JUST TRY AND NARROW DOWN WITHIN THE CATEGORIES THAT THEY WANT.

SPECIFICALLY, WHAT KIND OF BEFORE WE GO OUT FOR AN RFQ, I KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE SMART TO TO, YOU KNOW, NARROWLY TAILOR THE RFQ TO A POINT WHERE IT COULDN'T BE COMPETITIVE. BUT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AND A HIGH END ITALIAN RESTAURANT OR A STEAKHOUSE EXPERIENCE.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK.

OKAY. THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO COMMENT.

THAT IS ACTUALLY THE RECOMMENDED STEPS TO START FORMULATING BASED ON THIS.

INPUT SOME GUIDELINES AND THEN BRINGING THAT BACK OUT AND SAYING, OKAY, IS THIS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? SO THAT'S REALLY PART OF THAT DEVELOPING.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE GIVING OURSELVES A LOT OF TIME IS DEVELOPING THOSE PARAMETERS WITH THE PUBLIC AND HAVING THEM HAVE GOOD INPUT.

THESE KIND OF PROJECTS WORK THE BEST WHEN YOU DO IT THAT WAY.

SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A WIDE GUIDELINE.

NOW WE NEED TO START NARROWING IT DOWN WITH SOME VISION BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, PUTTING THOSE BACK OUT AND SAYING, DOES THIS STILL MEET THE VISION.

SO THAT REALLY IS THE RECOMMENDED STEPS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS WE DEVELOP SOMETHING TO GO OUT TO THE PRIVATE MARKET TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PRIVATE MARKET COULD SUPPORT HERE.

SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

THAT'S PERFECT. THAT EXACTLY ADDRESSES MY CONCERNS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ORLANDO. I APOLOGIZE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE DIFFICULTIES, TECHNICAL, TECHNOLOGICAL DIFFICULTIES.

BUT I DID WANT TO STATE THAT I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED TO WATCH THIS PRESENTATION.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT WAS THAT WAS CLEARLY REPRESENTED IN THE RESPONSES WE RECEIVED.

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AND EVERYONE WANTS TO KEEP THE IMAX.

SO ULTIMATELY, TO BUILD ON WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST HAS SAID, I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT WITH A MORE GRANULAR FOCUS, GET MORE INTO THE WEEDS, AND ULTIMATELY PUT FORTH AN EFFORT TO SOLICIT FOR AN RFP FOR POTENTIAL P3 PARTNER.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

WELL, I THANK COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

SORT OF ASKED THE PERTINENT QUESTION FOR US.

WE'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH A STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.

I THINK I LIKE IT A LOT.

I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT.

BUT WHERE THAT WILL GET US, I THINK, IS A CONSENSUS OF POLICY.

AND I'VE SAID FOR TWO YEARS, BECAUSE YOUR QUESTION WAS WHAT IS OUR GOAL? WELL, WE HAVE FIVE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS IN EACH OF OUR GOALS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

BUT I THINK AS WE PROGRESS WITH THIS ACTION PLAN, I THINK WE WILL REACH A CONSENSUS.

AND AS FAR AS LET ME JUST MENTION A COUPLE OF NUMBERS.

I THINK, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, I HAVE SORT OF FOLLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT OF WORLD GOLF VILLAGE FOR A WHILE.

AND I THINK IF YOU INCLUDE MIRABELLA AND KING AND BEAR AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE CASCADES AND THE LEGENDS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PERIMETER, MAYBE IT'S FIVE MILES RADIUS, MAYBE SEVEN.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 12,000 RESIDENTS IS MY GUESS.

WE CAN CONFIRM THAT.

BUT IT'S IT'S THAT AREA HAS GROWN DRAMATICALLY.

WE KNOW THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC ON IGP AND 16, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND REACH AN OVERALL CONSENSUS FOR POLICY.

AND I THINK WE CAN GET THERE USING USING THIS VEHICLE OF THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.

SO THOSE JUST ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THE MORNING DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

SO I'M NOT AGAINST THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD GO BACK BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS ENTERTAINMENT.

THEY WANT THINGS TO DO. THEY WANT PLACES TO EAT.

THEY WANT TO KEEP THE IMAX.

I THINK WE SHOULD GET IT OUT INTO THE MARKET TO SEE WHAT KIND OF YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO COME IN AND PARTNER WITH US, FIRST OF ALL.

SECOND OF ALL, IT'S GOT TO BE VIABLE.

AND THEN MY COMMENT ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THE WORLD, GOLF VILLAGE IS RIGHT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY DID.

EAGLE TOWN VIEW TOWN CENTER DID IT ALL FOR A THOUSAND RESIDENTS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO FIVE MILES OUT TO OUTSIDE OF IT, TO KING AND BEAR AND ALL THAT, I MEAN THAT THEY'RE INSIDE.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE BUCKY'S AND YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER ENTERTAINMENT OUT THERE.

SO I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE RESIDENTS THAT ACTUALLY LIVE IN THERE.

AND IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OVER A THOUSAND RESIDENTS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF MIKE GOT THAT NUMBER IN THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO GET YOU AN EXACT NUMBER.

THAT'S OKAY. AND OF COURSE, OUR COMPUTERS TODAY, FOR SOME REASON, ARE NOT WORKING ANYWHERE, BUT IT'S AROUND PROBABLY 1200 TO 1500.

SO I'M NOT I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WITHIN THAT, THAT RANGE.

AND I'M GIVING YOU A RANGE AND THAT'S WITHIN THE AREA THAT'S PROBABLY WITHIN A MILE CIRCLE AROUND IT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.

SO SOMEWHERE IT'S DEFINITELY THAT THOUSAND 1500 RANGE.

AND WE'LL GET YOU THE EXACT.

WELL, NO, THAT'S THE I WANTED TO SEE IF IT FELL IN LINE WITH THIS PENNSYLVANIA THING.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE RIGHT THERE AND ENJOY THAT COMMUNITY.

THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

OBVIOUSLY, I THINK SINCE WE ARE GIVEN BOARD DIRECTION TO STAFF FOR THE NEXT STEP, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP, THOUGH FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

LEGAL. IS THAT OKAY, VICE CHAIR? ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE PRESENTATION.

[Public Comment (Part 1 of 3)]

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON, DISTRICT THREE, COUNTY COMMISSION CANDIDATE 22070 REEF DRIVE.

HOW MUCH WAS THIS SURVEY? I JUST I'M REAL INTERESTED IN WONDERING HOW MUCH THIS SURVEY COST THE TAX DOLLAR.

I MEAN, TAXPAYERS TO BUY SOMETHING FROM THE SAUDIS.

WHY AREN'T WE KEEPING THIS ON THE TAX ROLL AT $5 MILLION? WHAT, 5.8? I'M SURE WE COULD HAVE FOUND SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS GOING TO DO A PRIVATE INVESTING WHERE IT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY SAINT JOHNS COUNTY IS IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS.

AND THE RENTAL BUSINESS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IF IT WAS A COMMUNITY SERVICE THAT WAS GOING TO AFFECT US ALL AS A COMMUNITY AT WHOLE, IT'D BE ONE THING

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I, I REALLY AM IN DISAPPROVAL OF THE COUNTY WASTE AND TAX DOLLARS, THE COUNTY TAKING IT OFF THE TAX ROLLS AND NOT GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRIVATE SECTOR TO INVEST AND MAKE A RUN FOR THIS.

OR GIVE IT A GO.

JUST BECAUSE PGA DIDN'T MAKE IT DOESN'T MEAN ANOTHER COMMERCE COULDN'T.

SO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, MY NAME IS LANCE WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 273 PINEHURST POINT DRIVE IN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, ROYAL PINES, AND I WANT TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT KRISTA BROUGHT UP BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE RIGHT.

SPOT ON.

THE FIRST OF ALL, TO SAY THAT THERE ARE 1200 PEOPLE RESIDENTS WITHIN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT YOUR NUMBER, BUT LOOKING AT THE ELECTION ROLLS, THERE ARE 198 RESIDENCES THAT CAN VOTE FOR OUR HOA AND OUR MASTER BOARD AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO IF YOU FIGURE THERE ARE 2 TO 3 PEOPLE WITHIN EACH RESIDENT, IT'S MORE LIKE 3000.

OKAY. THE REASON THAT THAT THE TMA COULD NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SURVEY THAT, THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT.

AND I'LL BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

AND I BROUGHT THIS TO THE COMMISSIONER'S ATTENTION BEFORE WHEN THE SURVEY FIRST CAME OUT.

HOW CLOSE DO YOU LIVE IN TO WORLD GOLF VILLAGE? HOW WOULD YOU ASK ME? HOW WOULD YOU ADVISE ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? BECAUSE I LIVE IN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

OKAY, SO IT'S A NON SEQUITUR.

IT EXCLUDES ME AS A RESIDENT.

I DON'T LIVE 1 TO 5 MILES, 6 TO 10 MILES, 11 TO 15 MILES.

THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS GIVEN IN THE SURVEY.

SO THE NEXT QUESTION HOW MANY TIMES APPROXIMATELY DO YOU VISIT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE IN THE PAST YEAR? EVERY DAY I LIVE THERE.

IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, AND THAT'S THE AREA THAT KRISTA, I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT WERE THE MAJOR REASONS FOR YOUR VISIT TO THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE? I LIVE THERE, ARE WE GETTING A LITTLE REDUNDANT HERE? SO IT WAS CLEAR THAT TMA DID NOT HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE WAS AS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

THEY DIDN'T MEASURE THAT AND THEREFORE THEY CAN'T REPORT ON THE ON THE VALUES OF THAT.

I HOPE THAT THAT HELPS YOU A LITTLE BIT.

BY THE WAY, THERE IS NO SUCH TOWN AS EXXON, PENNSYLVANIA.

THERE IS A TOWN CALLED EXTON, PENNSYLVANIA.

I HAPPEN TO LIVE FOR 30 YEARS, VERY CLOSE TO THAT.

I WOULD ADVISE TMA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR REPORT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE REPORTING ACCURATELY WITH THE CORRECT TERMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. YES, SIR.

JIM PAVONE, I LIVE AT 128 PINEHURST POINT DRIVE, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM ROWE.

I USED TO LIVE, AND I I HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR THE COUNTY.

I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR JOY ANDREWS AND THE CREW THAT ARE DOING THIS.

AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT THE TEAM THAT YOU'VE HIRED, THAT IS A REMOTE TEAM THEY WORK THEY THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE WORK AROUND ABOUT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT WORKING WITH THE SOLID TEAM THAT WORKS TOGETHER EVERY DAY.

AND LOOKING AT THE VIEW OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT TEAM, THEY ALL LOOK TO BE THE SAME AGE.

NOW I'M 76 AND I THINK MY INTEREST IN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE IS BECAUSE I LIVE THERE.

AS LANCE JUST SAID THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF ENTERTAINMENT THERE THAT WE ENJOY.

WE DON'T WANT THE WRONG KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT TO COME THERE.

WE DON'T WANT CONCERTS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU SUGGESTED IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE BE WORKABLE.

BUT I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT WE AS RESIDENTS HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, AND THE INPUT IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO BE PART OF THIS DECISION MAKING, AND THAT WE DO GET INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.

WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE NEED SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.

THE HOTEL IS IN IN BAD SHAPE.

THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD ACTIVITIES.

I HAPPEN TO OWN A MODEL T, AND WE HAVE THE MODEL T SHOWS THERE, AND THE MOTORCYCLE GROUPS AND ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES FOR THE HOLIDAYS AND STUFF, AND IT'S VERY

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MUCH YOU'LL FIND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND LIKE TO SEE THAT.

I DON'T WANT IT TO SEE LIKE A KIND OF A PLACE WHERE WE EXPERIENCE IN JACKSONVILLE AT THE LANDING, WE DON'T WANT THE WRONG KINDS OF ACTIVITIES THERE.

SO JUST BRING THAT UP, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THIS SOLUTION AND I'D LIKE NOT TO COMPLICATE.

HATE ANYTHING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL DO TOGETHER AND MAKE THIS WORK, BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND, AND I LOVE DRIVING THROUGH THERE.

AND I'M THERE EVERY DAY, AND I SPONSOR A SUPPORT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.

BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SIR.

THOSE ARE ALL GOOD POINTS.

ED SLAVIN BOX 308 FOR ED SLAVIN.

COM FIRST OF ALL I STRONGLY AGREE WITH HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF GOVERNMENT WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE.

WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

AND OUR CONSULTANT JUST ADMITTED THE DUE DILIGENCE ISN'T EVEN DONE YET.

ISN'T EVEN DONE YET.

NOW, WE'VE HAD EXAMPLES OF REALLY BAD STAFF WORK IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY THROUGHOUT THE NEARLY 25 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE.

BUT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT THAT CAN'T EVEN GET THE NAME OF EXTON, PENNSYLVANIA, RIGHT, AND CAN'T EVEN ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIVE IN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST AND URGE THAT YOU NOT SPEND ONE MORE DIME ON THIS PROJECT, AND THAT YOU EXPLORE.

HEATHER HARLEY-DAVIDSON'S SUGGESTION WHY NOT SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE? WHY DOES THE COUNTY HAVE TO OWN IT? WHY ARE WE ONCE AGAIN? WELL, OF COURSE, THE ROYAL KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA NOW CONTROLS THE PGA.

RIGHT? AND IS THIS FOUNDATION CONTROLLED BY PGA? IS THE ROYAL KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA GETTING SOME OF THIS MONEY? AND HOW MUCH DID WE PAY THIS DOUBLE CONSULTANT.

THIS IS REALLY BAD WORK.

I MEAN REALLY INEPT WORK, COOKIE CUTTER WORK.

WE COULD HAVE HIRED YOU COULD HAVE HIRED A COUPLE OF COLLEGE STUDENTS TO DO THE SAME PRESENTATION.

ALSO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE ON THE RECORD, PLEASE.

GENTLEMEN, LADY, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE ON THE RECORD? COULD YOU PLEASE ASK MR. LEX TAYLOR, THE THIRD TO DESCRIBE AND GIVE US A READOUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAD WITH THE CURRENT ACTING CHAIR, ROYAL LEAR.

ALAIMO JR.

WENT UP TO THE PODIUM WHILE WE'RE MEETING HERE, WHILE MISS HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON WAS SPEAKING AND LEX IS SPEAKING TO THE DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON THE RECORD.

AND IF WE'RE GETTING ADVICE FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, CAN WE HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD? IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, THE PROPER PROCEDURE WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE ACTING CHAIR, MR. ALAIMO, FORMER STAFFER FOR CONGRESSMAN DESANTIS, TO ASK THE QUESTION ON THE RECORD IN THE HEARING THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW.

SO WE'D ALL HEAR THE ANSWER.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND SOMEONE'S PASSING NOTES, YOU KNOW, AND YOUR TEACHER WOULD SAY, LET'S HAVE THAT SO WE CAN SHARE IT WITH THE WHOLE CLASS.

PLEASE SHARE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE WHOLE CLASS AND SHOW A LITTLE CLASS, PLEASE.

BECAUSE I REALLY THINK IT WAS WRONG FOR THIS ATTORNEY TO GO UP THERE AND TALK TO THE CHAIR IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING.

THAT'S REALLY RUDE. IT'S REALLY INCONSIDERATE.

THIS IS OUR MONEY.

IT'S OUR MONEY. AND HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? I MEAN, THIS IS CORPORATE SOCIALISM TO BEGIN WITH.

WE SUBSIDIZE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

IT DIDN'T PAN OUT.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A FULL SPREADSHEET ON THIS ENTIRE PROCESS GOING BACK 30 YEARS.

DON'T DO THIS AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. SLOVIN.

MR. MCDONALD, WELCOME.

MICHAEL MCDONALD, WINDSWEPT ACRES NEIGHBORHOOD.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BUYING THIS PROPERTY TO SAFEGUARD IT FROM THE DEVELOPERS.

THAT WOULD JUST AS SOON LOBBY AGAINST US TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE THERE THAT'S THERE.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CLOSE BY.

THESE ARE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM SOMETHING SPECIAL TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT ROAD AND COME OUT OF WORLD GOLF AND WHEREVER THEY'RE COMING FROM, TO GO TO SERVICE THEIR NEEDS.

I THINK THEY NEED TO BE LOCAL VENDORS TO START.

WE DON'T NEED RCCF THE CORPORATE COMMUNITY TO START TELLING US WHAT WE NEED OF BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

WE NEED TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OUR LOCAL OUR LOCAL INVESTORS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN NEGLECTED AND AT OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED TO GET INTO NOCATEE SILVERLEAF.

I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO GET INTO THAT THERE'S JUST NO ACCESSIBILITY TO.

THIS IS ONE THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET INTO.

WE HAVE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT ARE LOCALS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS.

I LIKE THE THE AND THE APPROACH PER SE.

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THE ONLY THING THAT WAS KIND OF A LITTLE ALARMING WAS TO SEE THE CHURCH OF 1112 TO BE PUT ON THERE.

THAT SEEMS OBNOXIOUS TO BE PUT ON THAT TO, TO BE AS A SUGGESTION.

I LIKE OUR BROAD.

I LIKE OUR THINGS TO BE BROAD, NOT TO BE SUGGESTIVE OF SOMEBODY THAT IS DOING VERY WELL IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S CLEAR CUTTING LAND.

TO EVERYWHERE THEY CAN.

I'M NOT KNOCKING THE CHURCH, BUT IT'S THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON THERE.

WE COULD PUT CHURCHES AND GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

WE DON'T NEED TO NARROW IT DOWN TO A PREDETERMINED CHURCH THAT PRETTY MUCH.

SO I TRULY HOPE THAT WE CONSIDER THE LOCALS THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE'RE NOT BASING THEM ON A HIGH END DECISION.

THEY NEED TO BE A REPETITIVE RETURNING SCALE.

WE DON'T NEED THEM TO COME IN ONE TIME AND PURCHASE AN EXPENSIVE HANDBAG AND NEVER COME BACK AGAIN.

WE DON'T NEED TO INVITE A JACKSONVILLE COMMUNITY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YEAH. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO PRODUCE THAT'S NOT AT PUBLIX.

MAYBE START A FARMERS MARKET ON THAT CORNER OR ON THE ON THE WATERFRONT.

MORE THAN TWO TIMES A WEEK.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE DONE FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, START HAVING YOU KNOW, YOU CHECK IN FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE VETTED AND YOU KNOW, WE BRING OUR COMMUNITY TO THE FOREFRONT. WE WE DON'T BEND TO THIS WRKF AND INVITE THE CORPORATE COMMUNITY INTO THIS AREA.

I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO GIVE OUR LOCALS AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND I THINK WE COULD INTRODUCE SOME COUNTY BUILDINGS IN THERE IF IT'S OUR PROPERTY.

WE COULD MAINTAIN THAT PARKING LOT FOR CAR MUSEUMS AND ETC.

IF WE INVITE A BUNCH OF CORPORATE PLACES, THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE A ZOO.

I THINK YOU GUYS JUST NEED TO FOCUS ON THE LOCALS AND NOT THE CORPORATE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO INTEND TO BRING PEOPLE INTO OUR WORLD GOLF AREA.

THANK YOU, MR. MCDONNELL.

GOOD MORNING, MISS KOLODY.

GOOD MORNING.

BJ WEST, CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

IT'S INTERESTING SITTING AND LISTENING.

THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING US TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

I WAS KIND OF UPSET WITH NUMBER ONE.

NOW, TECHNICALLY, YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO US, BUT GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY SINCE WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK COULD BE DONE BY THE CHAIR, I THINK.

AND ABOUT THIS, I'M GLAD THAT SOMEONE THAT LIVES THERE IS TELLING HOW MANY RESIDENTS THERE ARE POSSIBLE RESIDENTS FROM 1215 HUNDRED TO ALMOST 3000.

AND IT GOES BACK TO TO I BELIEVE MR. DEAN A WHILE BACK MENTIONED THAT NOCATEE HAD I DON'T KNOW, WAS IT 30,000? AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER TO WHENEVER YOU'RE THAT CLOSE TO THE BORDER TO DUVAL, THAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME VISIT US, OKAY.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY THERE.

SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH REAL INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. AND YOU'LL PROBABLY GO FORWARD WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU ALREADY BOUGHT THE THING.

BUT I THINK THE LOCAL PEOPLE NEED TO SOMEHOW REACH YOU AND MAKE THE DECISION.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN RESTRICT WHAT KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT YOU THAT COMES IN HERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S EVERYBODY.

YOU CAN'T RESTRICT PEOPLE.

SO YOU OPEN THINGS UP AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY COMING IN DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE REAL INPUT, NOT JUST FROM THE CONSULTANT AND FROM THE SURVEY.

YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING WITH A SURVEY IF YOU DON'T ANSWER AND IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.

THE TWO GENTLEMEN, THE ONE FIRST THAT LIVES THERE, HE HE HAD THE FACTS DOWN AND THE THE SURVEYS.

IF YOU ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION, YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER YOU WANT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION AND THE SURVEY, YOU WILL NOT GET THE RIGHT ANSWER AND THE REAL FACTS TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THIS MONKEY BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, YOU GO ON THERE AND DO YOUR LITTLE MONKEY VOTING ON THIS AND THAT.

I DON'T DO THAT.

BUT ANYWAY.

BUT I DO SPEAK OUT.

SO YOU KNOW, BUT I THANK MISTER WHITEHURST.

DON'T DO IT AGAIN.

DON'T RECOGNIZE ME AS MISS LADY.

THAT'S SHOWING PARTIALITY THAT WE CAN'T BE DOING.

WE HAVE TO TREAT EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY EQUALLY.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO NAME MY NAME OUT LOUD, WHICH IS FINE, YOU CAN NAME EVERYBODY'S NAME OUT LOUD.

AND EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE YOU CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING TO THESE MEETINGS.

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AND WE CARE ABOUT YOU.

WE REALLY DO. NO JOKING, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

BYE. THANK YOU.

MA'AM. MR. MCINERNEY, GOOD MORNING.

WELCOME. IF YOU CAN ENLARGE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY I CAME NOT PREPARED, BUT I DO HAVE MY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE HERE.

SO LOOK, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I GUESS.

I'M SORRY. NAME AND ADDRESS JOE MCINERNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE.

I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT FIRST AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, I MEAN, WHAT WE SEE OUT THERE LARGELY RIGHT NOW ARE OUR VACANT BUILDINGS.

IT'S SAD WHEN WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 2003, A REAL VIBRANT AREA, WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT GOING THERE.

IT'S A LITTLE REMOTE FROM US.

WE DON'T GET THERE OFTEN.

IT'S JUST SAD TO SEE VACANT BUILDINGS, SO I'M GLAD THE COUNTY HAS STEPPED IN.

I'M GLAD THE CONSULTANT REPORT HAS STARTED.

AND I WISH YOU THE BEST.

I WISH ALL OF US THE BEST FOR THIS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, FIRST OF ALL, IS IS FROM IGP.

IT'S ONE AND A HALF MILES TO GO AROUND TO GET TO THE CENTER ONE AND A HALF MILES.

SO THE CONSULTANT USED IN THEIR REPORT THE WORD DESTINATION.

AND THAT I THINK IS A VERY IMPORTANT WORD FROM THEIR REPORT.

AS AN ARCHITECT, I ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE PLANS, AND I MISS NOT SEEING PLANS.

AND EVEN A SITE PLAN ABOUT WHICH BUILDINGS OR AREAS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I'M COMING AT IT HERE.

SORRY, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT PLANS.

ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR OF FROM IS MARRIOTT.

MARRIOTT OWNS A DESTINATION RIGHT NOW, THE GRAND VILLAS AT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

IT'S IT'S ALREADY A DESTINATION.

AND SO I'VE TALKED TO HENRY, I'VE TALKED TO JOY.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO PUT OUT TWO IDEAS FOR US HERE TODAY.

ONE IS THAT SOMEHOW, SOME WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MARRIOTT NEEDS TO BE CONTACTED WITH THE IDEA OF WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU CONTROLLED THIS ENTIRE AREA? WHAT KIND OF A DESTINATION COULD YOU PUT TOGETHER FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, WHERE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY IS, IS, IS RECEIVING REVENUE THROUGH LEASES SO THAT THE PROPERTY IS VIBRANT, ACTIVE AND SOMETHING IS IS REALLY HAPPENING.

ADMITTEDLY, IT TAKES PROPERTY AWAY FROM ME.

TAKES PROPERTY AWAY FROM US.

I MEAN, YEAH, I'LL STILL GO TO CADDYSHACK.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A DESTINATION, LARGELY, MARRIOTT IS TRYING TO ATTRACT A NATIONWIDE ATTENDANCE HERE.

LET THEM COME UP WITH THE CONCEPT.

BUT LET ME THROW OUT A SECOND IDEA, WHICH IS CALLED NEW TOWN.

IF YOU GO DOWN TO WEST PALM BEACH AND GO TO ABACOA, YOU'LL SEE A FANTASTIC WALKABLE COMMUNITY CALLED ABACOA.

I THINK THERE IS EVERY POTENTIAL OF THAT HAPPENING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PUT THAT PACKAGE TOGETHER.

LET OUR STAFF PUT IDEAS TOGETHER, BUT HOW FANTASTIC IT WOULD BE TO HAVE A YES HOUSING.

AND FOR OUR WORLD GOLF VILLAGE RESIDENTS, A DOWNTOWN AREA THAT THEY COULD GO TO WALK TO ENJOY PARKS, PICNICS, FAMILIES. VERY EXCITING CONCEPT.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE NEWTOWN CRITERIA IN OUR, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO, SO THERE ARE THERE ARE GUIDELINES THAT SOMEONE COULD FOLLOW.

SO I'VE RUN OUT OF TIME.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.

KEEP GOING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. MORNING, MR. HUNT. GOOD MORNING.

CHARLIE HUNT. MILL CREEK ESTATES.

YOU KNOW, THE THREE KEY WORDS IS LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

YES. WHEN THIS WAS IN THE PLANS OF BEING PUT IN THERE, YOU SEE WHAT'S ALL AROUND, ALL THE COMMUNITIES, ALL THE OLDER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GATED IS FOR THAT WHOLE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT THERE.

AND YES, THROUGH TIME, IT STARTED TO CHANGE WITH THE DECISIONS FROM THE COUNTY ON ADDING OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA, TO WHICH NOW, THE REASON WHY I WOULD SEE THAT PLACE IS BECOMING A GHOST TOWN IS BECAUSE OF WHAT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF IGP AND 95, OKAY, WITH ALL THE FACILITIES THERE, WHICH BUC-EES DRAWS MORE TOURISTS THAN GOLF. OKAY.

IT DOES.

THE BASS PRO SHOP THAT'LL HAVE MORE TOURISTS COMING IN THERE.

IT'S IN A SENSE IT WILL BE.

IT WILL TAKE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT WELL BEYOND WHAT WE CAN THINK OF HAVING THAT FACILITY OPERATING LIKE IT WAS THAT, YES, I DID SPEND THE NIGHT THERE IN 2009, AND IT WAS IT WAS THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON.

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NOW. IT'S IT'S.

BARON. THERE'S NOT MUCH GOING ON IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION AND WHAT'S ALL AROUND IT.

IS WHAT HAPPENS.

THE SNOWBALL EFFECT.

THAT'S HOW I SEE IT AS OKAY.

ALSO, I GUESS, IS THIS THE PLAN B THAT'S GOING ON FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY OWNS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON? AND THE STATEMENTS.

WELL, HAVING AN OUTSIDE FACILITY COME IN AND RECOMMEND THINGS FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THAT MUST SHOW THAT SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY WITHIN ITSELF IS INADEQUATE TO DECIDE ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY THEY BOUGHT.

OKAY, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO RESIDES INTO THE ONE THAT NOBODY WAS ABLE TO COMMENT ON, ON THE LIVE WILDLY TO WHERE THEY WANT TO COME IN.

AND IT'LL TAKE THEM TO COME IN AND HELP CONSERVE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

BUT THE, THE THE CHANGES THAT ARE MAKING, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT LOCAL PEOPLE IN A SENSE.

WHATEVER YOU FIGURE LOCAL PEOPLE ARE.

WORLD GOLF VILLAGE IS A BIG SECTOR OF THAT AREA.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT ONE LOCATION, OKAY.

BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON AROUND IT AND LOOK, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PROCESS OF WHAT HAPPENS OF THE SNOWBALL EFFECT OF JUST SURE, PUT 10,000 HOUSES THERE, PUT 1000 HOUSES HERE, PUT ALL THIS HERE AND THERE AND THERE AND NOW, OH, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE WORLD HALL HALL OF FAME? THANK YOU, MR. HUNT.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, SEEING NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU. ON HOW MUCH THAT SURVEY COST? MR. GROFF. I CAN GET THAT TO YOU.

I DO NOT HAVE THAT ON THE TOP OF MY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

MIKE'S GOING TO SHOW A LITTLE MAP OF THE AREA.

WE WERE. I WAS PRETTY CLOSE WITH THE 1200 TO 1500, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.

RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

THAT'S NOT TOTAL CITIZENS.

YOU YOU COULD PUT 2 TO 4 IN EACH RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

SO GO AHEAD, MIKE.

GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR MIKE ROBERTSON THROUGH THE CHAIR TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER JOSEPH'S QUESTION.

SO WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, OUTLINED IN LIGHT BLUE, IS THE INTERCHANGE PARCEL.

THAT'S A COMPONENT OF THE SAINT JOHN'S DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE UNITS APPROVED ARE ALMOST 3000 UNITS BUILT.

COMMISSIONER. 2155.

AND THEN IF WE CLICK JUST TO THE SOUTH.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA, RIGHT.

THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PUD ALSO HAS SOME RESIDENTIAL.

YOU CAN SEE 835 BUILT ROUGHLY 1200 OR 1300.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL.

SO THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IF WE CAN GO BACK, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC'S CLEAR ON WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING AND LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FOR, BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLICATED PROJECT AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING A WHILE ON IT.

WE HAVE A CORE TEAM IN THE COUNTY WITH A LOT OF EXPERTISE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR WHAT WHAT IS WE WANT TO FINISH THE DUE DILIGENCE, OF COURSE, ON THE PURCHASE OF THE 32 ACRES AND THE TOUR PRODUCTION BUILDING AND FINISHED THAT DUE DILIGENCE THAT GIVES THE COUNTY SOME CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CIRCLE. REMEMBER, WE'RE TALKING ONLY NOW ABOUT THE CIRCLE, THE WORLD, WHAT WE CALL THE CENTER, THE CORE OF IT.

NOT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE ARE DEVELOPED, THOSE HAVE APPROVALS.

SO WE WANT TO FINISH THAT.

AND THE NEXT THING IS REALLY TO DEVELOP THAT, THAT VISION OF BASED ON ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WE HAVE AND THEN TAKE IT BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE BOARD AND KIND OF GET A FINAL. YES, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

THIS IS THE THIS IS THE THE VISION AND THE AND THE IN THE IN THE BOOKMARKS ON WHAT WE WANT PRIVATE DEVELOP TO BRING US OUR UNDERSTANDING IS YOU DO WANT PRIVATE DEVELOPERS TO COME BACK IN AND SAY AND HAVE THE MARKET SAY WHAT WILL BE SUPPORTED WITHIN THIS CORE, WITHIN THOSE BOOKMARKS.

YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT, WHAT KIND OF IS THEIR HEALTH IS THEIR UNIVERSITY.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

THAT'LL TAKE SOME TIME, DO SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY ESTABLISH THAT RFQ, THAT SELECTION CRITERIA, WHICH IS A LOT OF LEGAL STUFF WE GO THROUGH.

WE RELEASE THAT WE'RE WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND ABOUT OCTOBER.

THAT GIVES US A FEW QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS, AND WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE MARKET TO DELIVER.

AND THAT'S ABOUT ANOTHER THEN FROM THAT POINT TO SELECTION, YOU KNOW, 5 TO 6 MONTHS IT TAKES TO SELECT A PARTNER.

OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE FULL TRANSPARENCY WHILE SELECTING A PARTNER.

THEY'LL COME IN, THEY PRESENT THE BOARD GETS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT IDEAS OUT THERE AND SELECT THE ONES THAT ARE PROBABLY THE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.

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SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING AND LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE STAFF, FROM THE BOARD.

THANK YOU, MR. GROFF.

COMMISSIONER ARNOLD, ARE YOU ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE? YES. TARA, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I WOULD LIKE TO RESTATE THAT THIS WAS A HIGH LEVEL VIEW, AND PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN WOULD BE TO GET MORE INTO THE SPECIFICS AND THE WEEDS, WHICH I THINK IS VITAL TO THE SUCCESS AND THE FUTURE OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO I'M PREPARED TO ASK FOR A CONSENSUS OR A VOTE, IF NECESSARY, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATION PUT FORTH, AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK AN RFQ WITH A SCOPE FOR A P3, WHICH, AS MR. GROFF JUST STATED AGAIN, WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTROL THE VISION AND THE QUALITY OF THIS PROJECT.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE BOARD CONSENSUS ON THAT? YES. OKAY.

YES. YES OKAY.

WILL THAT SUFFICE? YES OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO.

THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION, BY THE WAY, AND WE ARE ALL REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE OF PRIME REAL ESTATE IN OUR COUNTY.

SO WE'RE WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

BEFORE WE DO WHAT I THINK WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON OUR VIDEO.

YES, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT WE THINK OUR TEAM HAS FIGURED IT OUT.

AND IF WE CAN PUT A MAN ON THE MOON, WE CAN GET THIS VIDEO TO PLAY AND BE HEARD.

SO WE'LL TRY IT.

FOR SMACKING MY HUSBAND'S ARM.

AS WE'RE DRIVING DOWN MAIN STREET ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THERE WAS THIS BEAUTIFUL BRICK BUILDING, BRICK AND BLOCK.

AND I REMEMBER SMACKING MY HUSBAND'S ARM WITH MY HAND AND I.

AS WE'RE DRIVING DOWN MAIN STREET ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THERE WAS THIS BEAUTIFUL BRICK BUILDING, BRICK AND BLOCK.

AND I REMEMBER SMACKING MY HUSBAND'S ARM WITH MY HAND AND I SAID, LOOK, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S THE ONE. THAT'S OUR BUILDING.

OUR GOAL WAS TO MOVE OUR FAMILY BUSINESS CLOSER TO SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHERE WE LIVED.

I KNEW RIGHT AWAY THAT IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT MY HEART WAS LOOKING FOR.

KNOWN AS FLORIDA'S POTATO CAPITAL.

WE WOULD SHIP 3400 LOADS OF POTATOES OUT OF HERE A DAY.

HASTINGS WAS FOUNDED BY HENRY FLAGLER AND HIS COUSIN THOMAS HORACE HASTINGS, SO THAT THEY COULD PRODUCE AGRICULTURAL CROPS TO SUPPLY FLAGLER'S HOTELS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

WE WERE THE FIRST AREA TO PRODUCE POTATOES IN THE SPRINGTIME.

THE MAIN STREET OF HASTINGS, FLORIDA, WAS JUST BOOMING.

YOU HAD EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEEDED RIGHT HERE IN OUR LOCAL TOWN.

HASTINGS WAS AN INCREDIBLY THRIVING COMMUNITY, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE AGRICULTURAL, BUT IT WAS ALSO A TRANSPORTATION HUB WITH THE RAILROAD AND OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF TOWN.

I'VE OFTEN HEARD US REFERRED TO AS MAYBERRY.

EVERYBODY KNEW EVERYBODY.

I STARTED SCHOOL IN ONE BUILDING AND GRADUATED FROM THE SAME BUILDING.

I GREW UP IN THE HASTINGS DRY CLEANERS.

I WOULD DELIVER CLOTHES TO THE FARMERS HOMES.

THIS BUILDING WAS THE JOHN DEERE DEALERSHIP, OLD FARMER SUPPLY BUILDING WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW.

WAS IT LIKE A SHOWROOM? THEY WOULD HAVE TRACTORS PARKED OUTSIDE.

GET A SCREW, A NUT OR A BLADE OR SOMETHING THAT I NEEDED FOR A LAWN MOWER.

BUT IF IT WAS ON MAIN STREET, I KNEW THEM.

OVER THE YEARS, HASTINGS HAS FACED MANY CHALLENGES.

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A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHEN THE SCHOOLS CLOSED DOWN HERE IN HASTINGS, MOVED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY AND MOVED CLOSER TO SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THE TOWN HAD MULTIPLE FIRES, THE LAST ONE BEING IN 1985.

OUR FIRE CHIEF.

THEN WE HAD A MAJOR FIRE THAT TOOK OUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS 13 OF OUR BUSINESSES.

IT HURTS MY SOUL TO SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR TOWN, TO TO HAVE BECOME SUCH A GO FROM A VIBRANT, BUSTLING COMMUNITY TO TO WHAT WE HAD TO DO SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND JUST.

DISBAND THE TOWN.

I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CHANGE IS HERE.

I'M LIVING IN CHANGE NOW, IN THE BUILDING THAT I'M BEING INTERVIEWED IN.

I CAN SEE THE REVITALIZATION OF THIS BUILDING AGAIN NEXT TO THE BUILDING THAT I GREW UP IN.

WE PURCHASED OUR FIRST BUILDING AND BEGAN THE RENOVATION PROCESS.

WE HAVE UNCOVERED SOME INCREDIBLE PIECES OF HISTORY.

INSIDE THE VENUE BUILDING WE HAVE THE BACCHUS MURALS THAT ARE ORIGINAL MURALS FROM BEANIE BACKUS.

WE'VE ALSO UNCOVERED SOME WONDERFUL OLD SIGNS AND MURALS INSIDE THE OLD FIRESTONE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE FIRESTONE MURAL ON THE SIDE.

FORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE OLD RECORDS WERE RECOVERED AND TAKEN OVER FOR SAFE KEEPING BY THE COUNTY.

I REMEMBER WHEN I GOT THE CALL ABOUT FINDING THE HISTORIC DOCUMENTS.

THE COUNTY WAS SO EXCITED.

MYSELF AND A GROUP OF LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS DECIDED TO GO AFTER OUR FLORIDA MAIN STREET DESIGNATION, AND IT REALLY GAVE THE COMMUNITY SUCH A SENSE OF PRIDE. AGAIN, WE SEEM TO REALLY BE MAKING PROGRESS IN WAYS THAT I DIDN'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN.

WE HAVE REVIVED THE CABBAGE AND POTATO FESTIVAL AND ADDED A NEW DYNAMIC OF BACON TO THAT.

WE HAD, I BELIEVE, OVER 11,000 PEOPLE IN A TWO DAY PERIOD.

IT WAS AMAZING.

THE SPIRIT OF SMALL TOWNS LIKE HASTINGS IS STILL ALIVE.

I'M SITTING IN THE HISTORIC, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDED TO OUR TOWN THAT WILL ADD VALUE TO WHERE I'M SITTING.

WE'RE VERY MUCH TRYING TO CREATE HASTINGS AS A DESTINATION LOCATION.

WE TRY TO WORK TOGETHER AND COLLABORATE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY BUSINESS THAT COMES HERE IS GOING TO THRIVE.

WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT WANTS CHANGE, WANTS GROWTH.

I MIGHT RIDE AROUND AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE FARMS, LOOK AT US DIGGING POTATOES, CABBAGE, LEARN WHERE YOUR FOOD COMES FROM AND ALLOW US TO SHARE OUR STORY WITH YOU.

MY HOPE IS THAT IT EXCITES SOMEBODY ABOUT A LITTLE TOWN CALLED HASTINGS, FLORIDA, WHICH I LOVE DEARLY.

IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH THE WAIT.

GREAT VIDEO. GREAT JOB GUYS.

ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

[3. Pavo, LLC Economic Development Incentive Request. The St. Johns County Economic Development Agency has received an application from Pavo, LLC for economic development incentives to develop a total of 22,680 square feet of speculative industrial/office space located near the intersection of I-95 and International Golf Parkway. The project scored 5 points under the speculative space category of the County’s Business Incentive Program, which makes it eligible for expedited permitting and an economic development incentive of up to 100% of fees paid to the County by the Applicant (impact fees and water/sewer connection fees) and four years ad valorem taxes paid by the Applicant (general County portion) on capital improvements. Completion of the project is anticipated by the third quarter of 2025. With this schedule, the first annual incentive payment would be anticipated during FY27. The total estimated value of the incentive is $107,224. In accordance with Program requirements, the Agency is required to review the application and make a written report to the Board of County Commissioners. Staff recommends support of this incentive application.]

COLIN GROFF. COLIN GROFF, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

THAT'S A TOUGH ONE TO FOLLOW.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OUR GREAT STAFF THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU GET ME AGAIN.

HERE TO PRESENT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REQUEST FROM A COMPANY CALLED PAVO, LLC.

IT'S FOR A 2200 SQUARE FOOT SPECULATIVE INDUSTRIAL OFFICE SPACE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND I-95.

IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE COMPLETED IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 25.

AND THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST OF THE LAND AND THE BUILDING IS ABOUT $5 MILLION.

AGAIN, THIS IS A MAP OF THE LOCATION.

IT'S IN THIS COMMERCIAL PARK THAT IS IN THAT SOUTHWEST SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THAT INTERSECTION.

THE WAY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROCESS WORKS IS THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, AND THE ORDINANCE OUTLINES SEVERAL ACTIVITIES THAT THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THROUGH REBATES.

AND THESE ARE NOT PAYMENTS TO THE COMPANY.

THESE ARE REBATES ON PAYMENTS THAT THE COMPANIES MAKE TO THE COUNTY.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OPPOSITE.

THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND THEN THEY GET SOME REBATES BACK.

BUT THEY GET POINTS FOR THIS.

AND RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE FACILITY SIZE, THIS FACILITY WOULD GET TWO POINTS.

THE TYPE WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL OFFICE TYPE.

SO IT GETS TWO POINTS AND GENERALLY FAIRLY EASY TO MEET FOR COMMERCIAL IS A SCHOOL CAPACITY.

YOU GET A POINT BECAUSE IF THERE'S SCHOOL CAPACITY IN THE AREA AND OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT GENERATING ANY SCHOOL NEEDS.

SO THERE IS SCHOOL CAPACITY IN THIS.

SO THEY HAVE FIVE POINTS THAT THOSE FIVE POINTS ARE PUT INTO THE FORMULA.

AND THE FORMULA GENERATES WHAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PACKAGE LOOKS LIKE.

AND IN THIS CASE THE INCENTIVE PACKAGE WOULD BE $107,224 REBATE BACK ON A PAYMENTS OF ALMOST $1.29292 MILLION TO THE COUNTY OVER 20 YEARS.

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SO WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

THEN THEY GET THOSE REBATES BACK IN THE FORM OF IMPACT FEES, WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES.

AND THEN THEY ALSO GET SOME EXPEDITED PERMITTING INCENTIVES TO GET THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO GET THIS UP AND, AND BUILT.

THIS KIND OF SPACE IS INTENDED FOR THE SMALLER BUSINESSES TO GROW INTO THAT WE NEED AND PROVIDE THEM PLACES TO GROW THEIR BUSINESSES.

SO WITH THAT, THERE'S A RECOMMENDED MOTION, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

SURE. AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMING BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THIS AND I WENT PAHVO LLC, WHO OWNS THAT? WELL, NOW IT'S A WYOMING LLC, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO THE OWNER IS.

AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A PERSON OUT THERE WHO'S AT A FUNERAL WHO CAN'T BE HERE TODAY.

I SUGGEST THAT WE PUSH THIS DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S BUILDING IT, WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT, AS WELL AS IF I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS KIND OF INCENTIVE. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.

AND ALL THE OTHER TIMES WE'VE DONE THIS, WE KNEW IT WAS A HEALTH CARE CENTER.

WE KNEW IT WAS PUBLIX PHARMACY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I SHOULD APPROVE THIS AT ALL.

I'M SORRY.

WAS THERE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY. YEAH, I WANT TO KNOW.

DO YOU KNOW WHO? THE OWNER. I MEAN, CAN THE PERSON COME IN AND MAKE A NORMALLY TELL US WHAT HE WANTS? RIGHT. NORMALLY WE DO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT WAS CALLED OUT OF TOWN IN AN EMERGENCY.

THE APPLICANT DOES LIVE HERE. WE DID FIND THAT OUT.

LIVES HERE. ON THE WAY OUT.

NAME A SECRET OR DOES IT KNOW IT'S A SECRET OR IT'S NOT? IT'S. THERE'S NO CONFIDENTIALITY.

IT'S ALL IN THE DOCUMENTS.

THE WAY THE ORDINANCE.

SORRY. WHAT DOCUMENTS? THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

I DIDN'T SEE HIS NAME IN HERE.

IS IT IN HERE? SO I BELIEVE THERE'S A NAME INCLUDED.

I WAS GETTING BACK TO WHAT? THE ORDINANCE.

THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAN THE PROJECT INFORMATION.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.

SO AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, WE BRING IT FORWARD.

NOW, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU WHAT YOU DO WITH IT, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS AN INVITE.

WE DID INVITE THE APPLICANT AND HE IS OUT OF TOWN.

SO I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE HIS NAME.

EVERYONE ELSE GAVE THEIR NAME.

I JUST, I JUST DON'T I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A LEGITIMATE COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO BILL.

COMMISSIONER. YEAH.

COMMISSIONER ON PAGE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PAGE THAT IS ON? FIVE. IT SAYS THAT THE PROJECT CONTACT IS TRACY COCHRAN, WHO IS TITLED THE PROPERTY MANAGER.

COMMERCE LAKE.

AND THEY HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA, INCLUDING WAYS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM.

WELL, SO THAT'S NOT THE OWNER OR THAT'S A MANAGER.

I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON, 2070 REEF DRIVE.

ALL THESE REBATES THAT WERE GIVEN WERE, WERE GIVEN THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER.

WHAT HOW HOW MUCH SALARY OR WHAT IS THE SALARY OR AVERAGE SALARY THAT THESE JOBS ARE GOING TO CREATE? THAT'S MY PROBLEM.

$107,000. WHEN I BUILT MY BUSINESS, I DIDN'T GET ANY REBATES, ANY IMPACT FEES, ANY WATER SEWER COMMITMENT FEE REBATES.

WE DID THE SAME THING WITH WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

WE GAVE THEM 20 YEARS OF REBATES ON AD VALOREM TAXES, ON TANGIBLE TAXES.

NOT TO MENTION WE GAVE THEM ALL THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT MONEY.

WE JUST KEPT ON GIVING.

GIVEN GIVEN WHAT THESE COMPANIES ARE COMING ANYWAY, THEY'RE GOING TO COME HERE ANYWAY.

WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM INCENTIVES AND REBATES AND SUCH? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SOME OF THESE COMPANIES ARE COMING ANYWAY.

PUBLIX WAS COMING ANYWAY.

WHY I I'M NOT GETTING IT.

THANK YOU. I AGREE THAT SLAVE IN BOX 3.4 AT SLAVEN COMM.

I AGREE WITH HEATHER HARLEY-DAVIDSON.

ONCE AGAIN THIS IS CORPORATE WELFARE.

THIS IS CORPORATE SOCIALISM $107,224.

FOR WHAT? IT'S A SPECULATIVE WAREHOUSE, AN OFFICE SPACE.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

AND ON OCTOBER 31ST, THE LLC WAS FOUNDED.

BRAND NEW COMPANY.

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THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE GIVEN INCENTIVES TO A BRAND NEW LLC WITH NO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION.

I WROTE LAST THURSDAY.

I ASKED FOR COPIES OF DOCUMENTS, DIDN'T EVEN GET A COPY OF THE APPLICATION I WROTE.

WOULD YOU PLEASE BE SO KIND AS TO SEND ME THIS MORNING? ALL THE RECORDS RELATING TO PAVO LLC HAVEN'T GOT ANY RECORDS.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH HASN'T SEEN ANY RECORDS EITHER.

THIS IS OUR MONEY.

DON'T DO THIS AGAIN.

MOVE TO TABLE THIS AS COMMISSIONER JOSEPH SUGGESTED.

OR ELSE JUST DENY IT OUTRIGHT.

IF THEY COULDN'T HAVE A LAWYER HERE, OR A REPRESENTATIVE OR THE OWNER OR SOMEBODY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, IT'S DISRESPECTFUL.

AND I DON'T CARE WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.

ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN.

WE HAVE A RIGHT UNDER THE OPEN RECORDS LAW TO INFORMATION.

BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW WHAT PAVO MEANS IN SPANISH.

ANYONE ANYONE, TURKEY.

THIS PROJECT IS A TURKEY.

IT IS A TURKEY LIKE THEY PRODUCE IN TALLAHASSEE.

WE DON'T NEED IT HERE.

I ALSO WROTE PLEASE OBTAIN AND PROVIDE PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE 119 .0701 FOR PAVO ITS BENEFICIAL OWNERS, CORPORATE LAWYERS, CORPORATE PARENTS AND RELATED ENTITIES.

ALL DOCUMENTS RESPONSIVE TO THIS REQUEST CONCERNING THE SPECULATIVE PROJECT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOBBYING, REGULATORY AND BUSINESS PLANNING, AND CORPORATE OWNERSHIP DOCUMENTS. PLEASE PROVIDE THE COUNTY'S BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION.

IF NONE EXISTS, PLEASE SHOW, STATE AND EXPLAIN NO ANSWER.

BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION WE DO A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAUL TRASH FOR THE COUNTY, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET MONEY FROM THE COUNTY, NO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION ON DEVELOPERS AND THEIR EXTRAVAGANT DEMANDS FOR LEGISLATION, THEY'RE DESTROYING OUR COUNTY.

I ASK PLEASE PROVIDE DOCUMENTS ON ALL STAFF AND COMMISSIONER MEETINGS CONCERNING THIS APPLICATION.

NOTHING. NO RESPONSE.

I ASKED ON THURSDAY.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH CAN'T EVEN GET THE INFORMATION.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WHO IS THIS MYSTERY LLC? I ALSO SAID PLEASE SEARCH FOR ALL NOTES, MEETING MINUTES, LOBBYISTS AND LAWYER MEETINGS, EMAILS, CORRESPONDENCE.

WILL YOU GET THE IDEA? THIS IS SECRECY.

THIS IS NOT TRANSPARENCY.

ADLAI STEVENSON SAID A SCARCE.

AS TRUTH IS, SUPPLY SEEMS GREATER THAN THE DEMAND HERE IN THIS REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED COUNTY.

YOU'RE WASTING OUR MONEY EVERY DADGUM DAY.

KNOCK IT OFF.

VOTE NO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. SLAVIN.

MR. MCDONALD. MICHAEL MCDONALD.

WINDSWEPT ACRES NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GUYS TO PLEASE DENY THIS.

IT'S A TRACK RECORD FOR EXPEDITE AND INCENTIVIZE FOR A MYSTERIOUS LLC.

THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY.

I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THE TOUGH QUESTIONS, MISS JOSEPH, THAT WE NEED SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND SOME ANSWERS.

WHEN AN LLC WANTS 100 GRAND OVER 20 YEARS BECAUSE IT'S.

IT SEEMS FIT. IT'S OUR 100 GRAND.

I WOULD HOPE YOU GUYS WOULD DENY THIS IF THEY ESPECIALLY CAN'T SHOW UP AND MAKE THEIR PRESENCE.

SEEMS LIKE AN ADEQUATE REASON TO DENY.

THANK YOU, MR. MCDONALD.

MR. HUNT, WELCOME BACK.

GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE HUNT. MILL CREEK ESTATES.

YES. IF THIS FACILITY WANTS TO BE PLACED THERE IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT'S GOING TO BE AT THAT FACILITY? OKAY. DOES IT.

DOES IT MATTER? DOES IT MATTER IF IT'S WELL, IF THEY PUT PESTICIDES OR IT'S A PESTICIDE COMPANY GOING RIGHT THERE.

OKAY. DOES IT MATTER OR DOES IT MATTER? THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING CLEARED FOR OVER 100 GRAND, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING INTO THAT AREA.

OKAY. THIS THIS KIND OF COINCIDES WITH WE DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT WE WANT TO GET THIS THROUGH.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, HERE IT IS WITH THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE.

NOBODY THAT TRYING TO FIND ALL THIS OF HOW TO MAKE THAT PLACE BETTER BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND IN ANOTHER ESTABLISHED FACILITY WANTS TO GO IN AND YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE.

OKAY. THAT THAT THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING THE THE CONSISTENCY OF SAINT JOHNS COUNTY OF WHERE ARE THEY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT BEING DONE? OKAY. IF YES, DISPLAY IF THE SO-CALLED OWNERS FROM THE NORTH WEST, IT WHAT ARE THEY? WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WHAT IS IT FOR? WHAT IS THIS FACILITY FOR AND TO SHOW BASED ON Y'ALL'S HAND DRAWN OR THE HAND DRAWN OF THE PROPERTY LINES, IS THAT THE PROPERTY?

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IS IT GOING TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE PROPERTY, OR WILL IT BE JUST PART OF THAT PROPERTY LIKE THAT? THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW WE ALWAYS GET QUESTIONS AND ENFORCED THAT ISSUES ARE RELEVANT TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY AND WE TRY TO BRING UP ISSUES AND POINTS RELATIVE TO SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

YES, I REMEMBER THAT PLACE, THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.

THERE WERE THERE WAS NOTHING.

IT USED TO BE ROOTS AND WINGS AND A FEW OTHER LITTLE FACILITIES.

AND. YEAH, NOW IT'S IT'S BEING ALL BUILT OVER.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

BUT WHEN THE OWNER, MAYBE HE'S A STAKEHOLDER, MAYBE HE'S A STAKEHOLDER, THAT IF THEY APPLY AND GET TERM OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT AREA, WILL THEY BE A STAKEHOLDER FOR LIVE WILDLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'LL TAKE ANY STAKEHOLDER PROBABLY WHO WILL DONATE MONEY WITH THEM. SO THE THING IS, IS THIS A VIABLE REASON OF UNKNOWING TO APPROVE THIS FACILITY TO BE ESTABLISHED IN THERE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HUNT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC? I SEE MR. MURPHY COMING UP.

MORNING SIR. GOOD MORNING SIR.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.

I'LL JUST BE BRIEF.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PERSONALLY AM IN FAVOR OF IS INCENTIVIZING INDUSTRY THAT COMES IN AND PROVIDES A POSITIVE AND, AND AND, AND NOTABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE DO HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THERE'S NO CLEAR DISCERNMENT ABOUT WHAT OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS GOING TO BE.

A PLACE THAT COMES IN AND PRODUCES HIGH PAYING JOBS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET BEHIND BECAUSE THERE'S A RETURN WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET GET MORE THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY GET. THIS SEEMS VAGUE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD BE AN EASY NO FOR ME.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE EITHER TABLE IT OR VOTE THIS DOWN, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE STRUCTURED.

TO HAVE A RETURN ON AN INVESTMENT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS MORE AS A BUSINESS TO WHERE WE, THE COUNTY GETS SOMETHING OUT OF IT, AND NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WANTING TO COME IN AND BUILD A WAREHOUSE WHERE SOMEBODY CAN MAYBE COME IN AND HAVE A JOB.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

MR. MURPHY. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO SEEING NONE.

WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I THINK SOME LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ON THIS ITEM.

ONE THE REPRESENTATIVE IS UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, AND WE ARE STILL, AS I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UNSURE OF WHO THE OWNER IS OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THIS APPLICATION.

AND I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE A BETTER EXPLANATION, AND I WOULD AGREE THAT WE SHOULD TABLE THIS ITEM OR POSTPONE IT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATIVES ARE.

OWNER COULD GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN POSED HERE TODAY, AND AND I SAY I WILL SAY I AM I HAVE BEEN A STRONG PROPONENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC INCENTIVES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE SORT OF THE STATISTICS THAT WHEN I JOINED THIS COMMISSION THE THE RATIO OF RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS PAYING AD VALOREM TAXES TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ROOFTOPS WAS 90, TEN, 90% OF OUR REVENUE CAME FROM RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS, A HEAVY BURDEN ON OUR HOMEOWNERS AND RESIDENTS.

THE STATE AVERAGE, BY THE WAY, IS 65, 35, 65% RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS, 35% ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO I HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGING, PURSUING AND PUSHING FOR ECONOMIC GOOD, CLEAN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE CAN SUPPORT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ITEM WITH A LITTLE LESS INFORMATION THAN I WOULD DESIRE, THEN I WOULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL A FUTURE MEETING WHEN THE APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATIVES CAN BE HERE.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THANK YOU. I'M.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS HEADED WITH MY COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER, DEAN AND COMMISSIONER JOSEPH.

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AS A BUSINESS DEAL, AS A BUSINESS PROPOSAL.

THIS IS A GOOD DEAL FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

THERE IS A $1.185 MILLION FINANCIAL GAIN TO THE COUNTY.

BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHO WE'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH.

SO I.

MISTER GROFF, I HATE TO PULL YOU UP OUT OF YOUR CHAIR ONE MORE TIME.

YOU'VE BEEN DOING SO MUCH TODAY.

WE GOT TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THIS APPLICANT.

IS THERE A WAY TO SET UP A MEETING BEFORE THIS COMES BACK TO OUR BOARD? SO THAT WE CAN ASK THE NECESSARY QUESTIONS? SO WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY.

I DON'T KNOW IF. DID I SHARE THE NAME WITH YOU? I THINK HIS NAME IS JOHN BOGART.

BOGART. I CAN'T PRONOUNCE HIS NAME, BUT WE'VE REACHED OUT AND WE DID RECOMMEND THAT IF THE BOARD CHOSE TO EITHER DELAY OR DENY TO COME IN AND MEET WITH US TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO WHICH THOSE ARE SOME CHANGES WE'D LIKE TO MAKE AND REQUIRE MORE INFORMATION UP FRONT, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THAT ALSO. SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

BUT YES, I, WE CAN REACH OUT.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THE PERSON CAN.

HE SAID HE WOULD SHOW UP AND WHEN HE CAN, HE WAS JUST CALLED OUT OF TOWN.

SO HE COULDN'T SHOW UP. BUT HE DID SAY HE WOULD SHOW UP AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU, MISTER GROFF.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

I ECHO MY COLLEAGUES THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THIS ONE'S A LITTLE VAGUE, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND.

CALL THE VOTE, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD.

YES, MR. DEAN. YES, I'M A YES, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

YES, COMMISSIONER.

JOSEPH. YES. OKAY.

MOTION AT THE TABLE IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW GOING TO GO INTO OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION.

[Public Comment (Part 2 of 3)]

THIS IS FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT ANY TOPIC THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

YOU NEED TO READ THAT. OH I CAN'T.

YES, SIR. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM.

FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

MR. MCINERNEY. WELCOME BACK.

THERE WE ARE. JOE MCINERNEY 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE.

I HOPE I HAVE SOME POSITIVE PERSPECTIVE AGAIN THIS MORNING FOR YOU.

CLEARLY I DO.

I START THIS WITH A LETTER FROM COUNTY RESIDENTS TO YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS, THAT SAYS WE ASK YOUR HELP IN GETTING OUR MONEY BACK.

IT'S SHORT AND SWEET.

IT SHOWS US GASSING UP AT THE PUMP.

AND AS SAINT JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS, WE DO PAY THE SAME FOR GAS AT THE PUMP AS DUVAL COUNTY RESIDENTS.

IT'S IT'S PRETTY AMAZING.

AND YOU CAN GO TO THE AUTO CLUB'S WEBSITE.

THEY TELL YOU DAILY WHAT THE AVERAGE PRICE AT THE PUMP IS.

EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

AND WE DO PAY THE SAME FOR GAS AT THE PUMP AS DUVAL RESIDENTS.

BUT UNLIKE THEM, WE DO LEAVE $7 MILLION BEHIND IN UNREALIZED REVENUE.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THERE IS WHAT'S CALLED A STATE'S LOCAL OPTION FUEL TAX.

I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH JESSE DUNN.

AND HE DOES OUTLINE FOR FOR YOU AND FOR ALL OF US THAT BASED ON STATE STATUTES, WE COULD BE GETTING 12% SHARE BACK.

WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING 6%.

AND THERE'S AN EMAIL THAT I HAVE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO COPY ANY OF YOU WITH THE EMAIL WITH JESSE ABOUT THAT.

AND INCLUDED IN HIS EMAIL RESPONSE WAS A TABLE HERE THAT SHOWS EVERY OTHER COUNTY, VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER COUNTY EXCEPT FOR THREE BAKER, FLAGLER AND SAINT JOHNS IS ALREADY GETTING 12% MONEY BACK.

THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING THEIR MAXIMUM BACK.

AND I THINK THIS IS A 2021.

DUVAL DISCUSSED INCREASING FROM 6 TO 12.

THEY VOTED TO COLLECT THAT STARTING JANUARY 1ST, 2022.

AND SO STARTING IN 2021, I WAS ACTUALLY TRACKING GAS PRICES DAY BY DAY BY DAY.

AND THEN THAT MAGIC MOMENT, 2021 TO 2022.

IT IS INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRICES, THAT THERE WAS NO SUDDEN INCREASE IN DUVAL COUNTY.

AND IN FACT, ON THAT DAY, WE WERE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY THAN DUVAL.

I'M PUTTING IT TO US ALL THAT WE CAN COLLECT THAT $7 MILLION.

IT'S TIME TO ASK FOR OUR MONEY BACK.

REMEMBER, THERE IS NO INCREASE IN THE COST OF GAS AT THE PUMP.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT $7 MILLION, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, OVER FIVE YEARS, THAT'S $35 MILLION.

AND I MEAN, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE $0.01 SALES TAX, WE WERE TRYING TO GET 500 MILLION FOR TEN YEARS.

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THAT'S 50 MILLION A YEAR.

HERE'S 7 MILLION A YEAR, SEVEN OUT OF THE 50.

WE COULD GET THAT.

IT WILL TAKE SOME STUDY.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S A DECISION YOU'LL MAKE TODAY.

WE COULD YOU DO NEED TO TO TO STUDY THAT.

BUT WE CAN GET THAT.

SO I HOPE THERE WILL BE A LETTER AFTER THAT STUDY THAT SAYS GIRH STATE OF FLORIDA.

WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK.

YOURS TRULY, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISTER MACKINAW.

MISS TAYLOR. WELCOME.

GOOD MORNING. DORIS TAYLOR, 208 LOBELIA ROAD.

AND THANK YOU, MR. MCINERNEY. THAT WAS BRILLIANT.

I HOPE WE DO FIND A WAY TO GET THAT MONEY BACK.

ALSO, THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR VOTING FOR THAT LAST VOTE YOU MADE.

TO POSTPONE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH.

THAT SOUNDS PRUDENT.

REFRESHINGLY SO.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT PROCESS SOME STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE OF THIS COUNTY REGARDING PROPER SURVEYS ON PROPOSED PROJECTS AND PROPER NOTICE.

EARLIER TODAY, YOU HEARD ABOUT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE PROPOSAL, AND THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SURVEY. THE SURVEY WAS WAS CONSTANTLY REFERRED TO, THE SURVEY SAID.

THE SURVEY SAID I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE ACTUAL SURVEY QUESTIONS BE INCLUDED IN EVERY SINGLE PROPOSAL MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE THIS IS THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL TIMES WHERE I'VE SEEN A SURVEY RESULT REFERRED TO.

BUT WHEN YOU DIG OUT THE SURVEY, THERE WAS A LOT OF INTERPRETATION BETWEEN THE ACTUAL SURVEY AND HOW IT WAS PRESENTED.

THANKFULLY, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTS, CAME UP AND READ THE QUESTIONS AND MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE PEOPLE DOING THAT SURVEY HAD NO INTENTION OF FOCUSING ON THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IMMEDIATELY.

OH, SHOOT. AND THAT BECAME REALLY CLEAR BECAUSE HE READ THE QUESTIONS.

EXCUSE ME. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I MEANT TO TURN IT OFF.

AND I'M VERY MUCH IN TUNE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

AND IF THEY ACTUALLY IF THE COUNTY ACTUALLY HAD DONE A SERIOUS SURVEY, IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTS THOUGHT IN 2021 AND 2022 AND TWO 2023, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 5000 ANGRY PEOPLE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS.

YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING HERE.

THAT'S HOW YOU'RE STARTING OUT WITH A DISINGENUOUS SURVEY.

ALSO THE PROCESS OF NOTICE.

THERE WAS A PRESS RELEASE THAT WENT OUT FRIDAY AFTERNOON REGARDING A MEETING TONIGHT.

NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT IF YOU PUT SOMETHING OUT ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOTICE IT.

TWO DAYS NOTICE TELLS ME YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SHOW UP, BUT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT.

YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU WERE THERE.

YOU DON'T WANT US THERE.

YOU JUST WANT TO GO AND SAY YOU WERE THERE AND SAY THAT YOU WENT TO LISTEN.

THAT KIND OF PRETENSE IS DISINGENUOUS AND INSULTING.

THANK YOU, MISS TAYLOR. THANK YOU.

HI. GOOD MORNING.

BEFORE I TAKE UP ONE OF OUR GENERAL SLOTS, I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

MISS, WILL YOU ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER ITEM FOUR? AND WILL YOU DO THAT BEFORE THE LUNCH BREAK? BECAUSE I NEED TO GET HOME TO GET ON THE VIRTUAL TASK FORCE MEETING.

WELL, THIS THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A PRESENTATION ITEM ONLY.

SO THERE'LL BE THERE'LL BE NO.

OKAY, THEN I WILL GO NOW.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS I'M VICKI PEPPER I LIVE ON HARBOR VISTA CIRCLE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CARE COMMUNITY ADVOCATES FOR RACIAL EQUITY.

WE'RE AN INFORMAL, INDEPENDENT CIVIC ACTION GROUP OUT OF SAINT AUGUSTINE'S ONGOING COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EFFORT.

WE'VE POINTED OUT BEFORE THAT THERE'S NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTION THAT WILL ENABLE OUR VITAL WORKFORCE TO ATTAIN HOUSING IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, GIVEN THE WIDE RANGE OF OCCUPATIONS AND INCOME LEVELS.

AND WE'VE URGED YOU TO INCORPORATE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TOOLS IN OUR TOOLKIT TO MAXIMIZE OUR ABILITY TO MAKE CLEAN, SAFE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING ATTAINABLE FOR ALL OUR RESIDENTS.

MR. BURKE WILL HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE TOOLS IT WOULD BRING TO THE HOUSING CRISIS IS LIKELY TO BE IN THE BEST POSITION TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR VERY LOW AND EXTREMELY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, WITH INCOMES IN THE RANGE OF 30 TO 50% OF OUR AREA MEDIAN INCOME OR AMI.

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AND WE LEARNED THAT THAT AMI FROM A RECENT DEVELOPER REP IS NOW $98,000 A YEAR.

AND THIS INCOME RANGE WOULD LIKELY ENCOMPASS MANY OF OUR SERVICE WORKERS IN THE HOSPITALITY AND HEALTH CARE INDUSTRIES, BOTH INDUSTRIES ON WHICH OUR ECONOMY RELIES HEAVILY. WE'VE ALSO URGE YOU TO SUPPORT DEVELOPERS LIKE JACKSONVILLE BASED ABILITY HOUSING AND DOMINION TO HELP US ADDRESS OUR CRISIS.

SUCH DEVELOPERS USE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS AND WORK PRIMARILY TO PROVIDE HOUSING IN THE 50 TO 80% AMI RANGE.

THIS INCOME RANGE LIKELY TO ENCOMPASS MANY OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND TEACHERS AND SOME OF OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS CARE AND OTHERS HAVE ALSO.

POINTED OUT THAT GIVEN OUR COSTS, YOU NEED TO DO MORE WORK TO ASSIST PEOPLE WORKING IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPACE WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE'VE ALSO ARGUED THAT SMART GROWTH REQUIRES US TO MAKE CHANGES IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO PROVIDE FOR MORE FLEXIBLE, INCREASED DENSITY IN AREAS WHERE THAT MAKES SENSE.

WHEN CARE BEGAN OUR RESEARCH AND EDUCATIONAL JOURNEY OVER THREE YEARS AGO, ONE OF OUR EARLY STOPS WAS MEETING FORWARD PINELLAS, THE PLANNING ARM OF PINELLAS COUNTY, AND WE LEARNED FROM THEM. ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST CHALLENGING IS MISSING MIDDLE OPTIONS IS LACKING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING OPTIONS.

WE THINK WE SHARE THAT, BUT YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.

WE AGREE WITH MR. BURKE AND THE EHMCKE PROVIDING MORE INCREASED DENSITY OPTIONS AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO LARGE MULTIFAMILY UNITS WILL PROVIDE US WITH MUCH NEEDED ADDITIONAL TOOLS IN OUR TOOLKIT TO HELP US BETTER MANAGE GROWTH AND COMPATIBILITY ISSUES, AND TO COMBAT URBAN SPRAWL OR OR ALSO SUBURBAN SPRAWL, WHICH PROBABLY IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR US.

OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS YOU TO FACILITATE AND PROMOTE MORE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING OPTIONS, TO BETTER ENABLE DEVELOPERS TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING CRISIS, AND TO PROVIDE FOR MORE ATTRACTIVE, WALKABLE COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY.

PLEASE AMEND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ACCORDINGLY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS PEPPER.

HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON.

I'VE STATED MY ADDRESS.

CAN Y'ALL LOOK INTO THIS OR TYLER, CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD? THIS IS MY LITTLE HASTINGS PAINTING.

I WASN'T ALLOWED TO ENTER THE HASTINGS ART ASSOCIATION OR ART.

DEAL. I'M A CREDITED ARTIST TOO.

BECAUSE I WAS RUNNING FOR COUNTY COMMISSION DISTRICT THREE.

ANYWAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME DENSITY, AND I'M LOOKING RIGHT HERE.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THIS TO Y'ALL, BUT IT'S 2025 COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN USE, WHICH THIS RIGHT HERE STATES IN HASTINGS OVERLAY DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL USES BE PROVIDED PROVIDED IN INDUSTRIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION AS PERMITTED BY THE DESIGNATED OVERLAY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR SWEET LITTLE TOWN.

AND THAT WAS A REALLY CUTE, CUTE VIDEO.

BUT WHAT WE GOT COMING DOWN THE PIKE, GUYS AND GOD REST HIS SOUL, LITTLE TOMMY LEE BULLET BULLET RANCH AND FARM.

WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND CHANGES, THEY ARE DOING 12 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND 749 DWELLING UNITS. IN ANOTHER ONE, WE'VE THEY'VE INCREASED LIKE, 12 HOUSES PER ACRE.

COME ON. THIS DENSITY, US LIVING ON A POSTAGE STAMP HAS GOT TO END, YOU GUYS.

THIS IS WHY OUR ROADS ARE SO BAD.

IT'S HORRIBLE.

HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

AND NOT TO MENTION, LET'S PENALIZE THE FARMERS AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE.

THEY'RE INCREASING THE ACREAGES OF RS.

TO 40 ACRES PER HOME SITE AGRICULTURAL TO 20.

BUT I WENT TO THE HASTINGS COFFEE AND I GO, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT LIKE GEORGIA CATS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

WITH WHAT SHE DID WITH VILANO, IT WAS ALL KUMBAYA UNTIL I SAID THAT.

AND BOY, I GOT IT.

THEY WERE LIKE, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.

GEORGIA CATS.

LOOK AT VILANO NOW, YOU GUYS, WE'VE INCREASED DENSITY.

WE LOOK THE OTHER WAY.

WE'RE NOT KEEPING THAT QUAINT TOWN.

THEY'RE OPENING IT UP TO INDUSTRIAL.

AND IF YOU SEE WHAT JAXPORT IS DOING, IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE AWARE HOUSE COMMUNITY.

I HOPE WE CAN CHANGE SOME OF THIS.

AND AS FOR CHAPTER FOUR LDC EXEMPTING THE THE DEVELOPERS FROM CLEAR CUTTING THEIR DUI DRIS AND PUDS, WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE THAT.

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THANK YOU. HEATHER HARLEY DAVIDSON, DISTRICT THREE, SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION THANK YOU, MISS HARLEY DAVIDSON.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELCOME, WELCOME.

CAROL GANGEE, 110 BEECHWOOD ROAD, SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

IF I PUT THIS DOWN, WILL IT GO INTO PUBLIC RECORDS OR DO I NEED TO HAND IT IN? YOU CAN PUT IT RIGHT THERE.

AND FIRST OF ALL, IS A LETTER FROM CHRIS REAGAN STATING THAT THIS IMPROPERLY NOTICED MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT IS NOT PROPERLY NOTICED UNDER SECTION 120 .525 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES, TITLE X, WHICH INDICATES FURTHER THAT THE THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN LISTENING TO US.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET SOME MORE NOTICE THAN A TWO BUSINESS DAY NOTICE.

THIS IS THE END OF THAT LETTER.

OKAY. SECOND OF ALL WE CHRIS AND CHRIS REAGAN AS WELL AS ERIC SEARCY BOTH TALKED WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.

TRYING TO GET A WORKSHOP ORGANIZED FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SOUTH TO DISCUSS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ACTUALLY COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

I HAD A I HAD A EMAIL FROM I MEAN, I WROTE AN EMAIL TO MISS THORPE PUBLIC WORKS, AND I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE MITIGATION FOR THE PROGRAM.

I ASKED ABOUT WHO THE DISTRICT ENGINEER WAS.

I ASKED IF THERE WAS APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION FOR MITIGATION AND WHAT THE MITIGATION PLAN WAS.

I ALSO ASKED ABOUT STORM WASTE, TIDAL, TIDAL WETLANDS.

I DIDN'T HEAR FROM HER FOR ABOUT FIVE DAYS.

I CALLED HER, AND THIS IS WHAT SHE TOLD ME.

SHE SAID SHE WAS TOLD BY HER SUPERIORS THAT THEY WERE NOT TO RESPOND TO MY EMAIL, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE A MEETING LATER ON TO DISCUSS ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THEN I HAVE ANOTHER LETTER THAT I SENT TO RYAN.

KEEN ON THE 16TH, WHICH QUESTIONED WHAT THIS MEETING WAS ABOUT BECAUSE WE WERE JUST SAID THAT IT WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT THERE WAS NO INFORMATION THAT IT WAS EVEN A TRAIL MEETING GOT NO RESPONSE FROM MR. KANE. THIS IS A DEFINITION FOR A WORKSHOP, A BUSINESS CONTEXT.

A WORKSHOP IS A STRUCTURED AND INTERACTIVE SESSION DESIGNED TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT FOR MEANINGFUL WORK, AND A GUIDELINE FOR A GROUP TO GUIDE A GROUP THROUGH A PROCESS THAT LEADS TO A POSITIVE OUTCOME.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A POSITIVE OUTCOME.

THIS IS AN EMAIL TO ERIC SEARCY.

FROM MR.. AND MR. RANGAN CONCERNING FOR MR..

ALAMO SAID I RECEIVED YOUR CORRESPONDENCE TO SET UP A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT.

I SPOKE TO THE STAFF AND THEY AGREED.

THIS MEETING IS NOT A WORKSHOP.

HOW AM I DOING ON TIME? I'M GOING TO RUN OUT.

MR. GROFF SENT THIS BACK.

WE SENT HIM A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T NEED TO ANSWER THEM, THAT THAT THEY WOULD JUST DISCUSS CHANGE IN THE CENTER GUIDELINES. THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED AS A GROUP.

CONCERNING RIGHT OF WAY.

FEMA. WE ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED.

OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS FEMA AND THAT NEW FMS PROGRAM THAT IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED AT ALL BY THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU. PLEASE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST HANDING THE PAPERWORK IN TO THE CLERK OF THE COURT, PLEASE.

YES, MA'AM. FOR SO WE CAN INCLUDE THAT INTO THE RECORD.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MISS TAYLOR, WELCOME.

YES. HI. GOOD MORNING.

ALMOST AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS ANN TAYLOR, 353 TAVISTOCK DRIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

I'M A CANDIDATE FOR SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT FIVE.

AND COMMISSIONER CANDIDATE.

ANN MARIE EVANS AND I ARE MAKING A JOINT STATEMENT TODAY BECAUSE WE FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

EVERY DAY WHILE WE'RE OUT ON OUR MEETING WITH PEOPLE ON OUR CAMPAIGNS FOR COMMISSIONER WE HEAR A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO WORK FULL TIME SAY THAT THEY DO WISH THAT SOME OF THESE COMMISSIONER MEETINGS WERE DURING THE EVENING, AND THAT THEY FEEL LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS.

THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

BUT LIKE SO MANY HARD WORKING RESIDENTS THEY CAN'T TAKE A DAY OFF WORK TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD.

IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN TIME OFF WORK, AND THE AGENDA ITEM THAT THEY CAME FOR WAS DELAYED AND THEY WERE NEVER ABLE TO SPEAK.

AND THAT'S REALLY UNFAIR TO OUR TAXPAYING RESIDENTS.

SO WE ARE PROPOSING EVENING MEETINGS FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THIS ISN'T A NEW IDEA.

OTHER COUNTIES HAVE EVENING MEETING TIMES FOR EITHER ALL OR SOME OF THEIR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS.

WE SUGGEST EVENING MEETINGS FOR EVERY OTHER MEETING AND A STARTING TIME OF 6 P.M..

THE TIME WOULD HAVE TO DEPEND ON FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT HOLDING HALF OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS IN THE EVENING AND HALF DURING THE DAY WOULD PROVIDE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.

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AND USUALLY THERE ARE TWO BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS ANYWAY EACH MONTH.

THE DAYTIME MEETINGS WOULD STILL BE AT 9 A.M.

AND IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME CONSTRAINTS AND STAFFING PROCLAMATIONS, RESOLUTIONS AND PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE DAYTIME MEETINGS.

OUR PROPOSAL IS SUPPORTED BY AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER KRISTA JOSEPH, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE WOULD BE A MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS WHO SUPPORT THE NEW MEETING TIME IF WE WERE ELECTED IN AUGUST.

BUT OF COURSE, WE'D BE THRILLED TO SEE THIS AS A UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUS DECISION BY ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE WANT TO SEE GREATER PARTICIPATION IN OUR GOVERNMENT.

ALTHOUGH RESIDENTS CAN EMAIL THEIR VIEWS TO THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE SAME AS BEING ABLE TO BE HERE IN PERSON AND BE ABLE TO PRESENT LIVE IN PERSON IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. OVERTIME PAY FOR THE STAFF WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED IF SCHEDULES COULD BE SHIFTED JUST ONE DAY PER MONTH.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THEN ANNE-MARIE WILL BE SHARING MORE ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS TAYLOR.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MISS EVANS.

WELCOME. MORNING, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

COMMISSIONERS, TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE YOUR COUNTY YOUR VOICE INITIATIVE.

I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF SUNSHINE SIGN.

SUNSHINE LAWS IS TO BRING TRANSPARENCY SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEIR GOVERNMENT IS DOING.

I THINK AS A FORMER PUBLIC RECORDS OFFICER, I THINK CHANGING OUR MEETINGS WOULD BE EXCELLENT.

I THINK IT WOULD ALLOW OUR PUBLIC TO REALLY BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

I AM PROPOSING OR WE ARE PROPOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF MEETINGS.

THIS WOULD ENABLE PEOPLE WHO WORK TO KNOW THAT IF THEY COME HERE, FIRST THING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HEARD AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO WORK.

AND AS ANN TAYLOR SAID, PEOPLE CAN EMAIL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME IMPACT AS COMING IN AND TALKING.

AND ALSO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND SHARE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITIES THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT, THE REST OF THE AUDITORIUM GETS THE BENEFIT OF KNOWING OF THINGS THEY MAY NOT OTHERWISE HAVE KNOWN WERE GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

IN ADDITION, WITH OUR TIME CERTAIN AS WE HAVE IT NOW, BEING PART OF THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU WILL, FOR MANY MONTHS NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE COME IN AND A LOT OF TIMES OUR TIME CERTAIN IS ANYTHING BUT TIME CERTAIN.

IT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE CALLED TIME UNCERTAIN BECAUSE IT GETS MOVED AROUND OCCASIONALLY TO ACCOUNT FOR OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. AND PEOPLE LEAVE HERE MAD, SAD.

THEY WEREN'T HEARD. THEY TOOK TIME OFF FROM WORK.

SO IT'S JUST A REALLY DISRESPECTFUL WAY TO TREAT OUR COMMUNITY.

THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE MINUTES.

I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE INDICATED THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SUMMARIZE THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS IN MINUTES BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST WATCH IT ON GTV.

I'VE DONE THAT SEVERAL TIMES.

IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING BECAUSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LAID OUT IN SUCH A WAY.

IT'S NOT LIKE AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE YOU CLICK AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT ONE THING THAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT.

SO WE ARE ALSO SUGGESTING THAT THE MINUTES INCLUDE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE WHOLE THING, BUT JUST THE TOPIC AND MAYBE A SENTENCE OF WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WOULD BE.

BE VERY HELPFUL TO PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THOSE.

THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WERE OUR NOTIFICATION SIGNS.

IF I CAN GET THE THERE WE GO.

GREAT. IN OUR COUNTY, WE USE BLACK AND ORANGE.

THEY'RE VERY HARD TO READ.

OFTEN THEY'RE ON BUSY ARTERIALS AND I WILL LITERALLY PULL OVER AND WALK OVER.

NOT SURE IF I'M TRESPASSING OR IF I'M EVEN WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE, SO I CAN SEE WHAT THE SIGN SAYS.

THEY'RE DARK ORANGE WITH BLACK.

I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE DO AT SOME OF THE OTHER FLORIDA COUNTIES ARE DOING, AND MAKE THESE SIGNS EASIER TO READ, AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. A QR CODE, PEOPLE CAN CLICK ON THAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO CALL THE COUNTY AND TRY TO GET A CALL BACK.

IT WOULD SAVE STAFF TIME AND IT WOULD MAKE IT USER FRIENDLY FOR OUR PUBLIC.

IN WRAPPING UP, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER OUR YOUR COUNTY YOUR VOICE INITIATIVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MRS. EVANS. HI THERE.

WELCOME. HI.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

AT THE MAY 7TH SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

SORRY. CAN I HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RECORD? KIM SCHWERMER, 52 WHATLEY LANE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, AT THE MAY 7TH SAINT JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING, TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND A COUNTY ATTORNEY TOLD HOMEOWNERS IN ATTENDANCE THAT SPOKE IN REGARDS TO THEIR PAVERS TO TAKE NO ACTION AT THIS TIME AND THAT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.

THESE HOMEOWNERS ARE IN COUNTY CODE VIOLATION OF HAVING THEIR PAVERS WITHIN THREE FEET OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

JUST LIKE US.

WE'VE APPLIED FOR A NON ZONING VARIANCE FOR THE COUNTY'S INSTRUCTIONS AND HAVE SHOWN THAT WE HAVE SUPERIOR DRAINAGE, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND OUR HIRED ENGINEERS. REPORT.

WHY WERE WE DENIED? WHY IS THE COUNTY CONTINUING TO SELECTIVELY ENFORCE US INTO COMPLIANCE BY REMOVING OUR PAVERS AND IMPOSE HEFTY FINES TO US, WHILE ASSURING OTHER HOMEOWNERS THEY

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DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING OR IN OTHER SITUATIONS, LOOKING THE OTHER WAY.

AS A HOMEOWNER IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY BEING SELECTIVELY ENFORCED, WE TOLD YOU ABOUT THE MANY VIOLATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND YOU WERE NOT CONCERNED.

SO WE HAD NO CHOICE LEFT BUT TO REPORT OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN VIOLATIONS IN AN ATTEMPT TO RECEIVE FAIR TREATMENT AND TO KEEP OUR PAVERS.

MY HUSBAND HAS HEALTH ISSUES, JUST AS MISS PHILLIPS DOES, AND OUR PAVER PATH IS IMPORTANT FOR HIM AS WELL.

AFTER THE MAY 7TH COMMISSIONER MEETING, OVER 100 OUT OF 400 PRIDE REPORTS, INCLUDING OURS, MULTIPLE COUNTY EMPLOYEES WROTE IN THE COMMENTS THAT, PER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY ATTORNEYS, THAT THE CASE HAD BEEN PUT ON MORATORIUM.

SHORTLY AFTER, ANOTHER COUNTY ATTORNEY TOLD OUR ATTORNEY THAT THE COMMENT WAS IN ERROR AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT ON ANY OF THOSE REPORTS.

THOSE 100 PLUS HOMEOWNERS ARE IN COUNTY VIOLATION AND HAVE RECEIVED WRITTEN NOTICES.

WHY IS THE COUNTY TELLING THESE HOMEOWNERS THAT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, BUT IS SELECTIVELY PUSHING FORWARD TO IMPOSE FINES AGAINST OUR MATTER AND HAVE US REMOVE OUR PAVERS? WELL, WE HAVE BEEN IN THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION OF BEING NEXT TO A NEIGHBOR THAT DOES NOT LIKE US AND CRIES WOLF IN THE NAME OF DRAINAGE WITHOUT SUPPORTING IT.

THOSE WITH CORDIAL NEIGHBORS AND IDENTICAL OR WORSE VIOLATIONS REMAIN WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT.

WE WOULD LIKE HELP IN KEEPING OUR PATH ALSO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

JUST AS AN FYI, WE HAVE SEVEN MINUTES LEFT IN THIS SESSION OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD.

A MONTH AGO, COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD WROTE THE FOLLOWING ABOUT ME ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA WEBSITE NEXTDOOR.COM.

QUOTE. MY BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS INFORMED ME THAT SHE THAT'S ME, SHOCKINGLY BUILT YET ANOTHER HOUSE ON CONSERVATION PROPERTY ON THE IGUANA PRESERVE.

WHAT'S SHOCKING IS THAT A SITTING COMMISSIONER DID NOT READ THE PROPERTY USE CODE ON THE APPRAISER'S WEBSITE, WHICH SAYS SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION GUANA ESTATES.

THIS ZONING MAP SAYS SIX THREE, WHICH MEANS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY.

SHE CLAIMS MY PROPERTY IS ON CONSERVATION LAND WHICH WOULD SHOW UP NOT AS BROWN RESIDENTIAL SEE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS IT DOES HERE.

SHE EVEN STATES IN BUILDING A HOUSE ON THE GUANA PRESERVE THAT IS A STATE AND FEDERALLY OWNED LAND.

I WOULD BE IN JAIL IF I TRIED TO DO THAT.

THIS POST IS STILL UP FOR ALL TO SEE ON NEXTDOOR.COM.

MOST SHOCKING IS THAT THE COMMISSIONER STATES THAT SOMEONE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAID ALL OF THIS TO HER.

WHY AM I BEING TARGETED? HER WORDS MADE THEIR WAY TO COMMISSIONER DEAN, WHO STATED ON FACEBOOK TO ME, QUOTE, ARE YOU REPLACING THE WETLANDS YOU'RE DESTROYING BUILDING YOUR NEW HOME? HYPOCRITE, UNQUOTE.

SO NOW WE HAVE A SECOND SITTING COMMISSIONER WHO IS MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS THAT ARE CLEARLY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED AND DAMAGING TO ME AND POSSIBLY TO MY HOUSE PROJECT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF EITHER COMMISSIONER HAD LOOKED AT MY BUILDING PLANS.

THEY WOULD SEE THAT THE HOME IS BEING BUILT ON A 40 YEAR OLD EXISTING FOUNDATION FROM A PREVIOUS HOME, AND HAS HAD MULTIPLE HOMES ON IT OVER A HALF CENTURY AND IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER HOMES. IN FACT, MY CONSTRUCTION WILL HAVE VIRTUALLY ZERO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND A SPECIMEN TREE THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE HOME WILL NOT HAVE SO MUCH AS ONE ROOT SEVERED, WHICH IS IRONIC SINCE COMMISSIONER ARNOLD VOTED TO NOT PROVIDE NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CODE THAT WOULD BETTER PROTECT SPECIMEN TREES.

NEXT, WE HAVE A REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OFFICIAL WHO HAS TAKEN UP THE SAME FALSE CLAIMS AND HAS POSTED ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.

HYPOCRISY ALERT NICOLE CROSBY WAS THIS PHOTO TAKEN FROM THE GUANA PRESERVE LOCATION WHERE YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING YOUR NEW HOME? THAT'S RIGHT EVERYONE, THE ANTI-DEVELOPMENT QUEEN OF CONSERVATION DOESN'T SEEM TO OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION WHEN THE BUILDING IS FOR HER.

OKAY, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET THE INCUMBENTS REELECTED, AND THIS IS JUST THE KIND OF THING THAT THEY WILL SAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND IF THEY WIN, THEY WILL WIN WITH LIES.

JUST LIKE THE LIES THAT GOT COMMISSIONER ARNOLD ELECTED AGAINST VIETNAM WAR VET AND HERO CHUCK LABANOWSKI.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS CROSBY.

MR. CHAIRMAN ONE.

I DIDN'T MAKE A STATEMENT, SHE SAID.

I MADE A STATEMENT. THAT'S WHAT SHE QUOTED.

I ASKED A QUESTION.

OKAY. JUST TO BE CLEAR.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

MR. MCDONALD. MICHAEL MCDONALD.

WINDSWEPT ACRES NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO JUST ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I'M NOTICING IN OUR COUNTY.

I'M NOTICING THAT THE PEOPLE DESIGNING THE INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE PURSUING AREN'T THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO REPRESENT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM.

I WENT TO A MEETING AND IT WAS A GROUP OF DEMOCRATIC WHITE WOMEN DECIDING THE FATE FOR THE BLACK HISTORY MUSEUM.

THERE WAS NO BLACK COMMUNITY INVOLVED.

THERE WAS ONE BLACK PASTOR THAT SHOWED UP AT THE VERY END OF THE MEETING TO DESCRIBE THE BUS JOURNEY THAT THEY TOOK.

THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE THAT I.

DRIVING AROUND THE WEST, AUGUSTINE AND LINCOLNVILLE COMMUNITY, I DON'T I DON'T THINK I TOUCHED BASE WITH ANY AFRICAN AMERICAN PERSON THAT WAS AWARE OF THAT

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AND WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AND EVEN WANTED IT.

THAT WAS DONE BY THE CARE GROUP.

AND I APPRECIATE PEOPLE'S INITIATIVE, BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO REPRESENT, JUST LIKE THE HASTINGS COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE MAKING THIS GRAND INITIATIVE TO GENTRIFY THAT COMMUNITY WHEN THERE'S NO THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEMSELVES NEED THE WORK, NOT THE MAIN STREET.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT THE MAIN STREET.

IT STARTS FROM THE.

IT STARTS FROM THE BOTTOM UP.

IF YOU GIVE THEM RESOURCES THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD OR DON'T WANT TO SHOP AT, WHAT'S THE GOOD? YOU NEED TO BETTER THE COMMUNITY AND GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES IN THE SAME FASHION THAT YOU WOULD IN ANY SMALL COMMUNITY THAT'S HURTING YOU.

GIVE THEM ATTAINABLE RESOURCES, FIND THESE THESE FARMERS, AND START PRESENTING THEM WITH OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE'S LOTS OF VACANT LAND OUT THERE.

THERE'S CORNERS RIGHT THERE.

WE NEED TO START THINKING SMALL.

AND WHERE OUR IDEAS ARE BASED ON CORPORATE LOGIC, WE NEED TO START INTO THE FARMING AND COMMUNITY LOGIC AND START GETTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE SKILLS AND PRESENTING THEM TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M.

AND I SEE THIS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND I SEE THE COUNTY INITIALLY OR IN INTENTIONALLY INVITING MORE OUTSIDE RESOURCES TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE FROM NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE THE FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITY IN ALL.

WE SHOULD HAVE TECH PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ALREADY.

WE SHOULD HAVE THE PEOPLE ALREADY IN PLACE.

WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE FROM TENNESSEE, GAINESVILLE, ALL OVER.

I'M FINDING THEM. I'M FINDING PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR MISS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE JUST NEW INTO THE SOFTWARE INDUSTRY, BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE HIRING THEM EVERYWHERE. I'M FINDING ALL SORTS OF NEW EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY, RECENT EMPLOYEES, AND IT'S AND IT'S OBNOXIOUS BECAUSE OUR LOCALS AREN'T BEING CONSIDERED.

WE'RE HURTING MORE PEOPLE IN HERE TO PINCH THEM BECAUSE WE'RE SUGARCOATING IT.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO THAT SHORT TRAIL MEETING, ROY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT A DEBATE THE SAME TIME.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR REPRESENTATION IN DISTRICT THREE IS GOING TO BE FOR THAT MEETING.

THAT MEETING IS POINTLESS.

AND THE SHORTEST TRAIL GROUP, BECAUSE IT'S OUR YOU GUYS HAVE STEAMROLLED THEM AND YOU'VE GIVEN THEM NO OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UP.

AND NOW THIS MEETING HAS GOT NO PUBLICATION IN OUR ELECTED OR APPOINTED REPRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE AT A DEBATE AT THE SAME TIME.

SO THERE YOU GO, GUYS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MCDONALD.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

MY NAME IS BRUCE MILLIKIN.

MY ADDRESS IS 2706 SHAW DRIVE.

I'VE BEEN ASKED BY MR. ERIC SEARCY, DVM.

HIS ADDRESS IS 2302 SHAW DRIVE, AND IT'S IN RESPONSE TO A POSSIBLE VOTE THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTERED TO THE COMMISSIONERS HERE TODAY AT SOME POINT IN REGARDING A WORKSHOP IN REGARDS TO SHAW DRIVE.

HIS, HIS HE WOULD LIKE TO BE ON RECORD TO STATE THAT STARTED SHARING IDEAS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE SHAW DRIVE WATERFRONT TRAIL, MY NEIGHBORS AND I, WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE TRAIL PROJECT, HAVE EXPRESSED OUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AT PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS, BUT WE HAVE NEVER HEARD A RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW WHAT TO WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT OUR IDEAS.

WE FEEL IGNORED AND UNREPRESENTED IN THIS PROCESS, OR SORRY WE FEEL IGNORED AND UNREPRESENTED IN THIS PROCESS.

THE RESIDENTS OF SAINT AUGUSTINE SOUTH, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PARK, ARE ONES WHO WILL BE MOST AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT.

WE ARE THE SAINT JOHNS.

WE ARE THE SAINT JOHNS COUNTY PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THIS FRAGILE, BEAUTIFUL AND RARE STRIP OF LAND.

WE GAINED THAT KNOWLEDGE BY MOWING THE GRASS, PICKING UP LITTER, AND CLEANING UP AFTER HURRICANES ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR HOUSES FOR OVER 55 YEARS, UNTIL WE WERE ORDERED TO STOP WHEN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION DECIDED TO BUILD THIS TRAIL, WE HAVE THE BEST PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THE EXISTING SHAW DRIVE WATERFRONT PARK WILL BE AFFECTED BY A TRAIL.

OUR INPUT IS VALUABLE AND DESERVES YOUR CONSIDERATION.

A WORKSHOP, AS SUGGESTED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AT MY MEETING WITH HIM ON AUGUST 24TH, 2004, WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME DISCOURSE WITH YOU DECISION MAKERS BEFORE THE PROJECT BEGINS.

I SUBMIT THAT FOR MR. SARAKI. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE HAND THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BREAK FOR 30 MINUTES FOR LUNCH AND WE'LL RETURN AT 1230.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

JUST FOR INFORMATION, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD IS NO LONGER ON THE CALL.

SHE IS GOING INTO HER MEETINGS.

SO AT THIS TIME, WE WILL BE.

WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MR.

[4. A presentation by the St. Johns County Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC) regarding Missing Middle Housing. During the March meeting of the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC), a unanimous motion was passed requesting that Greg Burke, the principal architect and President of Gregory John Burke-ARCHITECT, PA, present his findings on Missing Middle Housing to the St. Johns County Board of County Commissioners (BCC). Mr. Burke, who is actively involved in residential housing development, serves as a committee member on the AHAC. The AHAC convenes on the third Wednesday of each month at 3:00 p.m. in the Muscovy Conference room at the St. Johns County Health & Human Services Building. Missing Middle Housing is a housing typology that bridges the gap between single-family homes and large apartment complexes. It includes smaller-scale structures like duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, courtyard apartments, and townhouses. These diverse housing choices are designed to fit within existing neighborhoods, promote walkability, and contribute to community integration. By providing more options, Missing Middle Housing aims to enhance affordability and sustainable development patterns.]

COHEN. MR. BURKE, WELCOME.

THANK YOU, SIR JOSEPH COHEN.

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I AM THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR SAINT JOHNS COUNTY'S HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICE DEPARTMENT.

JUST REAL BRIEFLY AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS THE HOST OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

TODAY, MAKING A PRESENTATION ON THE MISSING MIDDLE WILL BE MR. GREG BURKE. HE IS A PRACTICING ARCHITECT WHO HAS PROJECTS ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

AND I THINK HE'S HERE TO JUST GIVE YOU MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATIONAL SESSION MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

SO ON THAT, I WILL LEAVE IT TO MR. BURKE. THANK YOU, JOE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON.

AS JOE SAID, I AM AN ARCHITECT AND URBAN DESIGNER.

NOT ONLY DO I SERVE ON THE AHAC FOR SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY, BUT I AM THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURE AND INTERIOR DESIGN.

SO I WEAR A LOT OF HATS.

WHAT I'M BRINGING TO YOU TODAY IS A PRESENTATION THAT WE MADE TO THE AHAC ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE, SO THAT MORE OF OUR MEMBERS COULD BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, BASICALLY IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE.

WHAT I'M SHOWING UP IN THIS FIRST SLIDE IS THE COVER OF THE BOOK CALLED THE MISSING MIDDLE BUILDING SMALLER AND SMARTER, AND THE DEFINITION OF MISSING MIDDLE IS EVERYTHING BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A MID-RISE APARTMENT.

SO YOU CAN SEE BY THE DESIGNATIONS OF THE UNIT TYPES THAT ARE UP THERE, WHAT IS COVERED, WHAT IS NOT IN HERE.

BECAUSE IT WASN'T SUCH A BIG THING IN 2020 WHEN THIS BOOK WAS PUBLISHED BY OPTICOS, WHICH IS AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM THAT REALLY PUT THE PUSH BEHIND THE MISSING MIDDLE AND TRYING TO CREATE MORE OF IT WAS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, ADUS.

AND THAT'S BECOME PART OF THE MISSING MIDDLE NOW.

THIS IS NOT A NEW CONCEPT.

MISSING MIDDLE ACTUALLY WAS THE WAY THINGS WERE DONE PRIOR TO 1940.

AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY, THIS IS THE WAY PEOPLE LIVED.

AND PART OF THAT WAS THAT THE AUTOMOBILE HADN'T REALLY TAKEN OFF YET.

PEOPLE LIVED CLOSE TO WHERE THEY WORKED.

WHAT ENDED UP CHANGING EVERYTHING WAS EUCLIDEAN ZONING.

AND BEING A NATIVE OF OHIO, I'M NOT REAL PROUD OF BEING GROWING UP 50 MILES SOUTH OF EUCLID, OHIO, WHERE EUCLIDEAN ZONING STARTED.

BUT THE THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS, THAT IT OFFERED A RANGE OF SIZES OF HOMES, ALL PRIMARILY AT THE SCALE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND AS I SAID PRIOR TO 1940, THIS WAS THE NORM AFTER 1940.

IN EUCLIDEAN ZONING, MOST OF THIS STARTED TO FALL APART, WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND MORE MORE DENSITY IN MID-RISE APARTMENTS.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY, WHILE SOME PEOPLE MAY SEE IT AS HIGH DENSITY, IT IS NOT.

IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE IN OTHER PARTS.

NOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO BE BECOME NEW YORK CITY AND HAVE YOU KNOW, 200 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT.

THESE TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS CREATE A COMMUNITY, AND.

WHAT THEY CREATE. WHAT THEY HAD IN PRIOR TO 1940 WERE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE BUILDINGS HAD SMALLER FOOTPRINTS, WHETHER IT WAS A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX, A QUAD, TOWNHOUSES, GARDEN APARTMENTS.

YOU GET A PERCEPTION THAT THERE'S A LOWER DENSITY, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING IT SLIGHTLY.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE AT THE SCALE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME.

THE UNITS ARE USUALLY SMALLER AND VERY WELL DESIGNED.

THEY'RE VERY COMPACT, AND LOT SIZES CAN VARY ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AT THE ONE END OF THE SCALE THAT YOU SAW IN THAT COVER SHEET WAS THE LIVE WORK OR ROW HOUSES.

THOSE CAN START AS SMALL AS 18 FOOT LOTS, BUT YOU'RE STACKING FIVE OF THEM, SIX OF THEM TOGETHER.

SO IF YOU TAKE THAT 18 AND MULTIPLY IT MULTIPLY IT BY FIVE.

LET'S SEE IF I DO. THAT'S 90FT.

SO WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH LOTS IN GENERAL THAT CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO 75FT WIDE AND 100 TO 120 FOOT DEEP.

THE OTHER THING WITH THE WITH THESE UNITS ARE, IS GENERALLY THEY'RE CREATED IN AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TRANSIT AVAILABILITY OR YOU CAN WALK TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

SO PARKING GETS REDUCED GENERALLY AT ONE ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT.

AND A LOT OF TIMES THE UNITS ARE PROVIDED WITH DETACHED HOMES.

SO YOU END UP WITH THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT.

YOU CAN SEE IN BLUE THAT WE'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL ZONE WHICH MAY HAVE SOME MIXED USE IN IT AND PROBABLY DOES.

AND THEN WHAT YOU HAVE BEHIND IT IS HOW THE MISSING MIDDLE FITS IN WITH SINGLE FAMILIES.

WHAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW ARE THE MIXED ARE THE MISSING MIDDLE TYPE UNITS.

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AND THE SINGLE FAMILIES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN GRAY.

IT'S SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S USUALLY WELL DONE.

LIKE I SAY, IT'S VERY COMPACT.

WE CAN DO THESE THINGS WITH UNITS AS SMALL AS 600FT².

AND YOU CAN GO UP TO LARGER IF YOU'RE DOING A TRIPLEX, YOU MAY DO AN ENTIRE BUILDING THAT'S 3200FT².

THE LOWER LEVEL MAY BE 1600, AND THE TWO UPPER UNITS WOULD BE 800 APIECE.

SO YOU SEE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCALES.

NOW, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS IS THIS AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT I LIKE TO USE THE WORD ATTAINABLE.

IT CAN BE AFFORDABLE DEPENDING ON THE UNIT SIZE, BUT IT IS ATTAINABLE BECAUSE IN A LOT OF CASES, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR INITIAL BUY FOR FOR A PURCHASE.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FROM WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THE SIDE THAT EVEN 30% OF BABY BOOMERS ARE INTERESTED IN THIS TYPE OF LIVING AND SO ARE SINGLES.

SO IT'S VERY MARKETABLE FOR BOTH SALE AND RENTAL.

AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION TYPE GOES, IT'S TYPE TYPE FIVE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS WHAT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS, BASICALLY WOOD FRAMED.

OF COURSE YOU CAN BUILD THEM OUT OF ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT THEN THE MORE LIKELIHOOD IS IT'S GOING TO BE WOOD FRAME.

YOU YOU GET A HEALTHY DENSITY WITHOUT HUGE FINANCING CHARGES TO THIS, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT STARTER HOME THAT, THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.

IT'S THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOMEONE TO GET IN AND BUY AT A REASONABLE RATE.

WE HEAR A LOT OF CONCERN FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT WOULD HURT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.

BUT IF YOU TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, THAT YOU LIVE IN A 3200 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND IT'S WORTH $800,000, NOT UNBELIEVABLE.

IN, IN IN OUR COUNTY, IF YOU BUILT A QUAD NEXT DOOR WITH A MIX, EVEN A TRIPLEX WITH THAT SAME 3200FT², AND YOU WERE SELLING THAT LOWER UNIT AT MAYBE 350,000, WHICH STILL MEETS OUR DEFINITION IN THE COUNTY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THE OTHER TWO UNITS UP ABOVE AT YOU KNOW, SAY FOR 800FT² YOU'RE SELLING THOSE AT 200.

YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE SAME BALLPARK AS THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND A LOT OF CASES WHERE YOU GO TO A LITTLE HIGHER DENSITY, LIKE A QUAD IF YOU HAD FOUR UNITS AT 800FT² EACH FOR 200,000, THERE'S YOUR 800,000 RIGHT THERE.

AND IF THERE WERE 250, STILL WITHIN REASON FOR OUR DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT'S $1 MILLION.

PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING UP.

JOHN HUNT, WHO IS A REAL ESTATE EXPERT BASED IN ATLANTA, HAS RUN STUDIES.

HE MADE A PRESENTATION TO NFPA, THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, LAST YEAR, WHERE HE HAD ALL KINDS OF GRAPHS THAT PROVED THAT THIS TYPE OF HOUSING CHOICE DOES NOT HURT NEIGHBORHOODS AS FAR AS YOUR PROPERTY COSTS WHEN YOU CREATE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COURTYARD HOUSING IT INCREASES COMMUNITY AND CREATES SOCIALIZATION THAT IN A LOT OF CASES, A LOT OF THE PUDS THAT WE HAVE BUILT HERE RECENTLY I LIVE IN ONE.

MY WIFE FELL IN LOVE WITH IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M A MARRIED MAN, SO I WANT TO STAY MARRIED.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE MOVED TO.

BUT IT'S NOT MY CHOICE OF OF A PLACE TO LIVE.

NEIGHBORS ARE VERY FRIENDLY, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME PLACE AS THAT.

IF IF YOUR HOUSES ARE JUST 10 TO 15FT OFF OF THE STREET AND YOU HAVE A FRONT PORCH AND YOU SEE PEOPLE WALKING BY YOU, YOU START TO KNOW WHO YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE. JUST SOME OF THE, THE THE FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVEN OUT.

THIS IS BOTH, AS I SAID, WAS MARKETABLE TO BOTH BABY BOOMER BOOMERS AND MILLENNIALS.

59% OF THE BABY OR OF THE MILLENNIALS ARE LOOKING FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING.

AND 20% OF BABY BOOMERS, WE SAID WE SAID 30%, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 27.

AND THE REASON IS THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THE BABY BOOMERS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S DOWNSIZING.

THEY WANT TO BE CLOSE TO GOOD RESTAURANTS.

IT'S THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT WORLD GOLF VILLAGE AND WHAT THE POTENTIALS ARE OUT THERE OR WHAT YOU HEARD SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TALKING ABOUT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY HERE.

THESE ARE THE TYPE OF UNITS THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN GET IN THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.

NOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT ALL OF THESE IS THAT TECHNICALLY, THEY'RE ALL BUILDABLE IN OUR COUNTY OR ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT THERE ARE IMPACTS OF WHAT THESE ARE.

THESE ARE ALL CONSIDERED EXCEPT FOR THE COURTYARDS AND THE TOWNHOMES AND THE ADUS.

THEY'RE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.

AS SUCH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SPRINKLERED.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COST THAT IS NOT OR IS BORNE BY A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MAKES IT HARDER FOR THESE THINGS TO BE BUILT AT A REASONABLE

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COST BY A DEVELOPER.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS.

I PUT A PROPOSAL THROUGH TO THEM, AND I'VE CONTACTED A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING COMMISSION WHO IS AN ARCHITECT AND VERY CLOSE FRIEND.

WE WANT TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO GET TWO LEGISLATURE LEGISLATORS IN THE NEXT THE NEXT SESSION TO POSSIBLY TAKE A LOOK AT ADDING THREE AND FOUR UNIT DEVELOPMENTS TO THE RESIDENTIAL CODE.

THE BIG POWER PLAY IS THERE IS THAT THE SPRINKLING GOES AWAY FOR THOSE FOR THOSE UNITS.

AND NOW WE CAN START TO BUILD THOSE UNITS THE SAME WAY WE DO ONE AND TWO FAMILY AND TOWNHOMES.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE TYPE OF MIX YOU GET AND SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE RELATIVE SIZE.

THOSE ARE ALL PRIMARILY DONE ON RESIDENTIAL SIZED LOTS.

AND YOU INCREASE IN DENSITY DENSITY WITHOUT REALLY HAVING IT BE THAT OBVIOUS.

THERE ARE SOME SAMPLES FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY OF WHAT THE HOUSING CAN LOOK LIKE, AND YOU CAN GO ALL DIFFERENT STYLES.

OBVIOUSLY THE THE PHOTO ON THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER IS A DUPLEX APARTMENT AND IS, YOU KNOW, IN A SPANISH STYLE.

THE ONE IN THE LOWER RIGHT IS A MIXED USE FACILITY THAT HAS BOTH APARTMENTS.

AND I THINK THERE'S A RESTAURANT DOWN BELOW THAT.

SO WHAT WHAT CAN WE DO IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY? I WAS PART OF A FOCUS GROUP LAST WEEK THAT THE COUNTY RAN ON FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ALL OF US THAT WERE IN THAT FOCUS GROUP STATED THAT THE COMP PLAN BEING MODIFIED RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS COUNTYWIDE.

THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THE SAME EVERYWHERE.

BUT THE AVAILABILITY TO HAVE OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOLKS TAKE A LOOK AT ZONES WHERE THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S VIABLE ESPECIALLY FOR THE FUTURE. IF WE HAD THIS MODIFIED INTO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE GET LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THE LEGISLATORS TO GET THE THREE AND FOUR UNITS IN IT WOULD HELP US IT WOULD HELP US GET THESE TO TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING BUILT MODIFYING THE ZONING FOR SPECIAL DISTRICTS TO GO TO MORE OF A FORM BASED CODE RATHER THAN THE EUCLIDEAN ZONING THAT WE USE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

AGAIN, OVERLAY DISTRICTS COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT.

WE NEED THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSION TO REALIZE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS, NURSES ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE SINGLE OR IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE SINGLE PARENTS THIS TYPE OF HOUSING GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY OTHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, WHICH YOU GUYS ALL KNOW WHAT OUR AVERAGE COST IS RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT IT HERE, BUT IT'S WELL OUT OF LINE FOR MOST OF THOSE FOLKS.

OR HAVING TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT, IT GIVES THEM OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER SELECTIONS.

I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE THE PHOTO IN THE RIGHT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS IS WHERE I LIVED JUST AFTER I GRADUATED FROM FROM COLLEGE, FROM ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL. THAT IS A THAT IS PART OF A DUPLEX.

THE BRICK BUILDING ON ON THE BOTTOM WAS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, AND THE DEVELOPER CAME IN, ADDED THE SECOND FLOOR TO IT.

SO WE HAD A TWO BEDROOM, ONE AND A HALF BATH VERY SMALL KITCHEN, VERY SMALL DINING ROOM.

BUT WE HAD A NICE BIG STUDIO UP ON THE THE UPPER FLOOR BETWEEN THE TWO BEDROOMS. I HAD TO HAVE A ROOMMATE TO PAY FOR THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST GETTING OUT OF COLLEGE.

WE'RE NOT. ESPECIALLY AS ARCHITECTS.

WE'RE NOT MAKING A TON OF MONEY SO WE COULD WELL AFFORD THIS.

AND IF I'VE GOT A POINTER ON HERE OR NOT.

NO. THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT UNIT THAT IS TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH.

THE TREE IS A BIG COURTYARD.

HE ADDED AN ADDITION TO THIS, WHICH WAS A ONE STORY EFFICIENCY UNIT.

RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS A QUAD.

NOW, THIS DENSITY IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN WE WOULD LIKE.

AND MAYBE THE SETBACKS IN BETWEEN ARE NOT THERE.

THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY DESIRABLE NEIGHBORHOODS IN COLUMBUS, OHIO, AND IT'S AMAZING THE MIX YOU GET RIGHT NEXT.

TO THAT QUAD IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THAT SHOTGUN HOME IS A SINGLE FAMILY.

BEHIND IT IS ANOTHER QUAD, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE GOT OFF STREET PARKING FOR SOME OF THAT.

WE HAD OFF STREET PARKING, SO MY ROOMMATE AND I BOTH PARKED ON THE STREET.

WHAT I DON'T HAVE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS THAT RIGHT ADJACENT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT OF OUR COURTYARD IS A HOUSE.

AT THE TIME, IN THE 1979 WHEN WE MOVED IN HERE, WAS VALUED AT $1.5 MILLION.

SO AS I SAID THIS, THIS THIS WAS THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.

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IT'S CALLED GERMAN VILLAGE.

IT WAS BUILT AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY, PRIMARILY FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE BREWING INDUSTRY.

THIS WAS A BIG PART OF THE BREWERS DISTRICT IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.

AND AS I SAID, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DESIRABLE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE ENTIRE CITY.

YOU COULD I HAD AN 8.5 MINUTE WALK TO WORK HERE AND MADE IT HIGHLY DESIRABLE.

I COULD PARK MY CAR AND LEAVE IT AND DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

THE ONLY REASON WHY I TOOK IT TO THE OFFICE IS IF I HAD A MEETING TO GO TO THAT DAY.

THERE WERE THERE WERE RESTAURANTS, THERE WERE SHOPS, THERE WERE BARS ALL WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.

YOU COULD BE WITHIN 15 MINUTES.

YOU COULD BE JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE THAT YOU WANTED TO BE.

WE HAD BAKERIES.

ANY KIND OF SERVICE THAT YOU NEEDED? DRY CLEANERS. THEY WERE ALL RIGHT THERE.

SO IT'S. IT REALLY CREATES A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.

PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER AS YOU PASS BY, THEY SAY HELLO YOU KNOW, SOME WILL STOP AND TALK TO YOU.

BUT THAT'S IT.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE PRESENTATION.

SO I'LL WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. BURKE.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. BURKE, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE IN THIS AUDITORIUM ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS IS THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

YEAH. THERE IS A THOUGHT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT BECAUSE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, YOU KNOW, PREEMPTS US.

BUT IT DOES PROVIDE BY.

RIGHT. THE ABILITY TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT ON COMMERCIAL ZONED LAND OR INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND THAT IT REALLY IT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ANYMORE.

THE STATE HAS SORT OF TAKEN THAT OUT OF OUR HANDS.

IS THAT TRUE OR IS THAT NOT TRUE? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON ON THAT.

YEAH. I THINK I'M LIKE MOST PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LIVE LOCAL IS WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE YET HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.

AND IF THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN DOING THIS WHOLE THING, I WOULD I WOULD STILL MUCH PREFER THAT WE BE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE AND START THINKING ABOUT OURSELVES, THAT WE IDENTIFY ZONES WHERE WE COULD MAKE THIS WORK.

THIS IS NOT REALLY IT'S NOT FULLY AN ATTEMPT TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PER SE.

THAT CAN BE A COMPONENT OF MISSING MIDDLE, BUT IT'S MORE THE ATTAINABLE.

THE STARTER HOME FOR A YOUNG COUPLE PEOPLE JUST GETTING OUT OF COLLEGE LIKE MY ROOMMATE AND I YOU KNOW, NEITHER ONE OF US WERE MARRIED AT THE TIME. WE WERE BOTH IN OUR LATER 20S AT THE TIME THAT WE FINISHED SCHOOL.

AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE BOTH WORKING FOR PROMINENT ARCHITECTURE FIRMS IN COLUMBUS.

I ACTUALLY WAS WORKING BEFORE I GRADUATED AND MADE IT.

MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO LIVE IN THIS HOUSE, BUT IT WAS A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO START.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LIVE LOCAL IS REALLY GOING TO COME DOWN AND AFFECT US IN THE LONG RUN.

I THINK THE INTENT IS GOOD, BUT I'M NOT SURE.

I'M NOT SURE. IT'S BEEN TOTALLY THOUGHT THROUGH ALL THE WAY.

THANK YOU, MR. BURKE. YOU'RE WELCOME.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. BURKE, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE YOU EDUCATING US ON ON SOME OF THIS INFORMATION HERE.

AND THANK YOU AS WELL FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE AHAC BOARD.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ALL THAT GOES INTO SERVING ON THESE BOARDS.

IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.

AND YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE ON THAT.

AND FOR PROVIDING US THIS INFORMATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'M HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THE COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, HAVING ONLY LIVED HERE FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS, I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS LIVE HERE.

BUT I FIND THIS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

MY WIFE AND I ARE REALLY ENJOYED HERE, AND WE DON'T THINK WE'D WANT TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S WONDERFUL.

VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU.

IT'S WONDERFUL TO HEAR. THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

AND WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

[5. Public Hearing * REZ 2023-24 Contentment Park. Request to rezone approximately 3.87 acres of land from Open Rural (OR) to Commercial Highway Tourist (CHT) located on the eastern side of Resort Way and west of State Road 207. The Planning and Zoning Agency (PZA) heard this request at their regularly scheduled public hearing on April 18, 2024 and recommended approval with a vote of 4 to 1. Agency members discussed with the applicant the proposed impacts to the traffic on State Road 207 and how the site will be cleared.]

WHICH IS QUASI JUDICIAL.

SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND START WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE? NO. I HAVE NONE.

ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MISS TAYLOR.

YES, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

YEAH. NO. NO RECORD OF ANY MEETINGS.

I DID RECEIVE THE EMAIL, MR. JOSEPH MEETING, AND I JUST SPOKE TO HER BETWEEN DURING THE BREAK.

ALL RIGHT. GREAT. AND MR. DEAN, YOU DIDN'T GET THE EMAIL.

YOU WERE ON IT ANYWAY.

EVERYBODY, RIGHT? NO ONE RESPONDED.

OKAY.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO RESPOND IF YOU DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS OR DEPENDING ON WHAT IT STATES, BUT YOU CAN FORWARD IT TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD IS DO I NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN MY EX-PARTY ANNOUNCEMENT? YES. OKAY.

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