May 02, 2024 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order]

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>> WOW MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU DON'T MIND STANDING, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO -- GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MR. PETER, WILL YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT?

>> YES. THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCIES AREA OF JURISDICTION AND WILL OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKER SHALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN CONSIDERING THE TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF THE PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS AND CHARTS, GRAPHS, WRITTEN STATEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCY COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY IN REVIEW OF APPEAL RELATING TO THEM. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM, THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 04/18/24]

>> THANK YOU MR. PETER. AGENCY MEMBERS, WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 18-24 POINT IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE? SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

[1. ZVAR 2024-01 Kurosko Family (1 Zamora Street).]

PARTAKE? >> YES MADAM CHAIR, I HAD A

STATEMENT. >> I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION INAUDIBLE ] I RECEIVED A CALL FROM MR. WHITEHOUSE BUT I DID NOT

>> I ACTUALLY RECEIVED A CALL, ACCEPTED THE CALL AND SPOKE TO MR. WHITEHOUSE AND WE WENT OVER REASONS WHY THE EXPERIENCE WAS BEING SOUGHT AND THE REASON. GO AHEAD, MR. WHITEHOUSE.

>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JAMES WHITEHOUSE OF ST. JOHN'S LAW GROUP HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. I AM RECOGNIZED AS AN EXPERT IN CITY, COUNTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. AS YOU KNOW FROM YOUR AGENDA AND THE STAFF PACKET, I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CRESCO FAMILY AND THEIR FAMILY PROPERTY RENOVATION AT ONE ZAMORA STREET 2020 4-0 ONE. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION 601 03 E3 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW FOR REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED SECOND FRONT YARD SETBACK TO 10 FEET IN LIEU OF THE 15 FOOT REQUIREMENT TO ALLOW THE ENCLOSURE OF EXISTING STAIRS FOR AN ELEVATOR WITHOUT OBJECTION. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE MILANO BEACH AREA ON THE EASTERN END OF LOCUST POINT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREAS LOCATED WITHIN THE UNIT, A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL

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FINALLY, THE VARIANCE WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT AND PURPOSE OF THE CODE. THIS WAS BASED ON THE NARROWNESS IN THE TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITIONS OF THE LOT, ALREADY , LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THE OWNER MERELY INTENDS TO CLOSE THE AREA WITH COVERED ACCESS AND CONSTRUCT A RENOVATED HOUSE ALTHOUGH THE YARD HAS EXTENSIVE SPACE DUE TO THE CURRENT ROADWAY PAVEMENT PLACEMENT AS STATED, THIS AREA OF THE PARCEL IS VERY CONSTRAINED GIVEN THEIR REQUIREMENTS IN THE SECOND FRONT YARD SETBACK ON THE PARCEL. BASED UPON THESE FACTS ESPECIALLY THE EFFECT OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE AREA AND ANY VISIBILITY, THIS REQUEST IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE CODE. AS YOU SEE FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE STAFF REVIEWED IT AND FOUND THE SAME. THIS REQUEST IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST OR CONFLICT WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

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QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS CONNECTING NONE, ARE THERE ANY IN THE AUDIENCE, HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. SIMON, WE'RE BACK INTO THE

AGENCY. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE 2024 01 CARRASCO FAMILY ONE ZAMORA

[2. ZVAR 2023-10 6345 Jack Wright Island Road Fence.]

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION FOR EVERYONE, A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION. SIMON, LET'S REGISTER TO VOTE.

>> UP HERE. THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ON TO ITEM NUMBER

TWO. >> YES MADAM CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE. I DO A SITE IS AND I HAD A CONVERSATION AND A TOUR OF THE PROPERTY WITH MR. RAMIREZ AND I JUST DID SPEAK WITH

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M PAT PARIS. I'M THE OWNER OF 6345 JEKYLL ISLAND ROAD. THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. I'M ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR TWO SECTIONS, PLEASE. LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO THE COUNTY RIGHT BEFORE IT WAS SUBMITTED TO MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR AND I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THESE AREAS OF THIS LETTER BECAUSE I NEED TO EXPLAIN SOME OF IT. IT SAYS IN ONE PART THAT BOTH AREAS, ONE TO TWO FEET IN HEIGHT SO THE FENCE IS ACTUALLY ONE TO TWO FEET HIGHER THAN MY GRADE, WHICH IS TRUE, BUT THE GREAT MIGHT BE HIGHER BUT THE FENCE IS NOT HIGHER. THIS IS MY SIX FOOT FENCE AND THAT IS HIS EIGHT FOOT FENCE. HERE YOU CAN SEE HIS SIX FOOT CYCLONE FENCE, MY WHITE SIX-FOOT FENCE AND HIS BEIGE EIGHT FOOT FENCE BEHIND IT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I WAS REQUIRED TO -- I GUESS MY WATER WAS RUNNING ON HIS PROPERTY SO I WAS REQUIRED TO MITIGATE THAT FEET OF FOUR INCH PIPE ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE. BOTH WAYS. BUT EVIDENTLY THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH SO I HAD TO GET A PLAN TOGETHER BY AN ENGINEER AND PUT IT IN PLACE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY, I HAD TO RAISE MY PROPERTY. IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES. SO IT'S NOT LIKE I BUILT IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO. I FILLED IT BECAUSE I HAD TO, BECAUSE ENGINEERS DREW IT UP AND BEE COUNTY SAID I HAD TO.

SO IN FACT, WHEN I WENT TO PUT MY FENCE IN, IT WAS GOING TO BE AT LEAST A PRIMARY. ALSO WHAT I HAD TO DO WAS PUT IN 500 FEET OF 2 BY 10S, SOME PLASTIC MITIGATION HERE TO STOP THE WATER FROM COMING IN AND THEN FILL, WHICH IS NO SMALL TASK.

OKAY? AND THEN I HAD TO PUT IN 400 FEET OF WATER PIPE ALL THE WAY BACK TO MY HOUSE SO THAT IS WHY I HAD TO RAISE THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHY HE SAID IT'S A FOOT OR TWO TALLER BECAUSE I WAS REQUIRED TO DO THAT. THIS IS MY FENCE AS I LOOKED THIS MORNING. HE ALSO SAYS THE ISSUE FOR THE FENCE ADJACENT TO THE PORCH IS THAT IT'S NOT ONLY VIOLATION OF YOUR CODE BUT IS UNSIGHTLY AND A WINDSTORM HAZARD. WHY WHAT I -- I HAVE TWO SECTIONS OF FENCE THAT'S THREE FEET TALL. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO MY PORCH. WHY WOULD I DO THAT? HE'S INSTALLED CAMERAS ON TWO OF HIS TREES AND HERE'S ONE,

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ANYWAY, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT. HERE'S 450 FEET OF UNSIGHTLY BEHIND MY FENCE. SO I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS THE DEFINITION CHANGES AT THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS MY BACKYARD AS IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. HE ALSO SAYS, AND IT'S A WINDSTORM HAZARD. WELL IN FACT, IT BECAME A WINDSTORM HAZARD. LAST YEAR WE HAD A STORM THAT KNOCKED THOSE THREE SECTIONS DOWN. LIKE I SAID, I PUT 4 X 4'S BEHIND THESE THREE POLLS AND SINCE THEN, I PURCHASED SIX OF THESE ITEMS, ALUMINUM I-BEAMS. HAD THEM WELDED TOGETHER, STUFF THEM IN THE DIRT, FOUR FEET WITH THREE BAGS, 180 POUNDS OF CONCRETE TO HOLD IT UP. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALL THE WAY UP, ALL NINE FEET. IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I BUILT THESE POLLS, TOO. SO IF WE HAVE A HURRICAN THREATENING, I CAN PUT THOSE UP. IS NOT GOING TO GO FORWARD, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO BACK BECAUSE THERE'S CONCRETE IN THE GROUND AT THE BASE THERE WHERE I CAN SCREW THOSE. SO IT IS NOT. HIS HOUSE IS 152 FEET FROM MY FENCE. HE CONSIDERS MY FENCE A WIND HAZARD. HIS FENCE IS 100 INCHES FROM MY HOUSE AND I GUESS IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. BUT HE DOESN'T CONSIDER THAT A WIND PABLUM UNTIL HIS FENCE COMES DOWN. SO -- AND HERE'S MY EQUIPMENT RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THE FENCE AT THE END OF JACK WRIGHT ISLAND, THERE IS THE VERY END OF MY FENCE AT THE STREET. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET FROM THE STREET. IT'S 30.

THAT POLE IS 30 1/2 FEET SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

WHY DID I BUILD A FENCE LIKE THIS? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TIME WAS WE NEED TO HAVE 25 FEET OF YOUR FENCE LOW ENOUGH -- I THOUGHT IT WAS FROM THE STREET. I WAS MISTAKEN.

IT'S FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. PROPERTY LINE IS 21 FEET BACK TO THE STREET SO I DIDN'T KNOW. I CLAIMED IGNORANCE BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. SO THIS FENCE, THIS FENCE IS A LITTLE TOO HIGH. IT'S 30 FEET BACK. HE CLAIMS IN HIS LETTER THAT HE CAN'T SEE THE STREET FOR MY FENCE. WELL THIS IS FROM HIS EASEMENT. YOU CAN SEE WHERE ABOUT WHERE HE WOULD BE IN HIS TRUCK DOWN THE STREET, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HE'D HAVE TO LOOK CLEAR BACK HERE. THAT'S WHERE MY FENCE IS. MY FENCE IS NOT BLOCKING HIS VIEW OF THE STREET, AS HE STATES IN INAUDIBLE ]. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM HERE, THIS IS HIS DRIVEWAY FROM THE END OF HIS DRIVEWAY. HE HAS A CLEAR VIEW OF THE STREET. IN ORDER FOR MY FENCE TO BECOME A PROBLEM, HERE'S THE FIRST POLE. HE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACK BEHIND HIM AT THE HOMES, SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. AGAIN, HERE IS THE PICTURE. IN FACT, IF THIS WAS HIS GAIT RIGHT HERE, FROM BEHIND HIS

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THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? >> WELL PART OF THIS UNFORTUNATE LEAD TO ME SEEMS LIKE SOME LONG-RUNNING DISPUTE

>> YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR. >> I HATE TO SEE THAT.

>> I DO, TOO. >> IT'S SAD BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, CERTAINLY. BUT YOU STATED THAT HE'S GOT THESE TWO CAMERAS. ONE IS LOOKING RIGHT AT YOUR FRONT PORCH AND THE OTHER IS LOOKING IN YOUR MASTER BATHROOM, GRANDDAUGHTER'S BEDROOM AND YOUR BACK PORCH. NUMBER ONE, DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE CAMERAS ARE FUNCTIONAL?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> OKAY. AND HE'S NOT BEEN FORTHCOMING AS TO WHETHER THEY ARE? BECAUSE YOU ASKED HIM TO

REMOVE THEM AND HE SAID NO. >> I DID, I CALLED THE POLICE.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT TO DO THAT WORK OF THE POLICE MAN SAID THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO.

>> SO WHY DID YOU NOT ALSO PUT SOME EXTRA TALL FENCING PANELS?

>> BECAUSE I MITIGATED, WE CLOSED MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S

SHADES. >> WE SAW THE SHUTTERS ON

THEIR. >> YES. AND WE PUT SOME PLASTIC UP OR ACRYLIC OR WHATEVER YOU PUT ON THE BATHROOMS SO YOU CAN

SEE IN. >> OKAY.

>> SO IT TAKES CARE OF THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO I HAVE TO DO

THAT. >> THAT SAID.

>> IT IS SAD. I AGREE. >> IS MR. JEFFREY BOWDEN HERE TODAY? COULD I ASK HIM A QUESTION?

>> WAIT UNTIL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY, SURE. ALL RIGHT

>> SIR, YOU CAN SIT DOWN. YOU CAN SIT DOWN. WE'LL GET TO YOU

IN A MINUTE. THANK YOU. >> I'M DONE FOR NOW.

>> MS. SPIEGEL. >> YES, WHEN I WAS OUT LOOKING AROUND YOUR POVERTY I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS SO HOW CLOSE IS YOUR HOUSE TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORS AND DO YOU

HAVE FENCES AND SEPARATION? >> WE GET ALONG VERY WELL WITH THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET, TAKE CARE OF HIS DOG, MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR TAKES CARE OF HIM DURING THE DAY. WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET.

>> ARE THERE FENCES BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTIES?

>> ONE FENCE IS ABOUT 30 FEET LONG ON THE ONE SIDE OF MY

HOUSE, 450 FEET IN FRONT. >> AND WHEN YOU PURCHASED YOUR HOME THERE WAS A CHAIN-LINK FENCE WITH, DID YOU SAY A HEDGE

GROWING THROUGH IT? >> YES, IT WAS CHAIN-LINK AND

450 FEET. >> SEPARATE THE PROPERTIES. AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THAT AND IT WAS NO LONGER

ATTRACTIVE. >> SOMETHING HAPPENED.

>> SO THE HARDSHIP THAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING HERE IS PRIVACY,

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UNDERSTANDABLE. >> MITIGATED BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO LEAVE IT SO I CAN SIT ON MY PORCH. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT HEHAS AT HIS HOUSE. I CAN'T TELL WHEN THE FENCE

BLOCKS THE VIEW OF HIS HOME. >> THANK YOU, SIR. MR. PETER?

>> I JUST WONDERED WHEN DID THE FENCE GET PUT IN?

>> MY WHITE FENCE, LAST YEAR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL

RIGHT. SIR, YOU CAN SIT DOWN TO >> THIS PICTURE HERE, SO HE CAN EXPLAIN WHY HE CAN'T SEE THE STREET?

>> OKAY. MR. BOWDEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. WE WILL PROBABLY ASK YOU. STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> JEFFREY BADEN SORRY I'M DRESSED LIKE THIS BUT I WAS RUNNING TO DO SOMETHING

ELSE. >> COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE

MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT MORE? >> I'M SORRY, WHAT?

>> COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT MORE?

THANK YOU. >> I SAID I'M SORRY FOR COMING LIKE THIS, I WAS DOING SOMETHING ELSE. SUGGEST A QUICK RUNDOWN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROBLEMS HAVE GONE ON FOR QUITE A WHILE. THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO ME YOU JUST TALKED TO, TOOK ONE OF THE DOGS OF ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, PUT IT IN HIS TRUNK AND TOOK IT ACROSS THE STREET AND LET IT GO BECAUSE IT WAS BOTHERING HIM SO MUCH. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED. THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENED WAS HE PUT IN A ONE FOOT PIPE DRAINING HIS LOT AND THE NEIGHBORS LOT ONTO MY LOT WHICH IS 5 1/2, SIX ACRES. ON ONE OF MY LOT IT TOOK ME A YEAR TO GET THE COUNTY TO MAKE HIM CORRECT IT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BURN HIS LOT WHEN HE PUT HIS HOUSE IN. HE DIDN'T PERMIT IT.

HE WAS USING THE BURN SO JIMMIE JOHNSON LIVED DOWN THE STREET STOPPED BY, ONE DAY, THIS IS RIDICULOUS GETTING FLOODED OUT WITH WATER.

REMOVE THE PIPE AND BERM, WHICH IS WHAT THEY SHOULD'VE DONE.

THE COUNTY TOLD HIM THEY DIDN'T DO IT DURING COVID BECAUSE THEY WERE SO SHORTSTAFFED THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO LOOK AT PLANS AND REVIEW THEM PROPERLY. BUT HE HAD THE PIPE RIGHT UP TO MY FENCE. STUFF AROUND THE FENCE WAS HIDING IT SO THAT WAS MY STUFF I PLANTED ON THE FENCE SO I SPRAYED THE FENCE WITH HERBICIDE AND ALL THE STUFF ON IT. THAT'S GOTTEN RID OF THE STUFF. HE PUT UP HIS WHITE FENCE, WHICH WAS FINE. I DON'T CARE, PUT UP A WHITE FENCE BUT IN THE END HE DID NOT DO ACCORDING TO THE CODE. 25 INAUDIBLE ] HIS LOT IS NOW A FOOT HIGHER THAN MINE SO IT BLOCKS ME WHEN I COME OUT MY DRIVEWAY. YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE THERE'S A TURN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT SURROUNDING MY DRIVEWAY TO LOOK OVER TO THE RIGHT AND SEE VEHICLES COMING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM PULLING OUT AND GETTING IT TO SOMEBODY. WHEN HE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE PALMS I TOOK THEM NEXT WEEKEND. I DON'T WANT TO BLOCK HIM. I REALLY DON'T. BUT THE FENCE DOES BLOCK ME. THE PARTITION UP AGAINST THE HOUSE WAS KIND OF ALL OVER HIS YARD AND THAT WAS AN ISSUE THEN. IT'S A VIOLATION OF CODE.

ANOTHER THING THAT HAPPENED SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IS THE REASON THE CAMERAS WERE PUT UP IS BECAUSE HE KEPT LEANING STUFF AGAINST MY FENCE, PUSHING IT OVER, SO I GOT FED UP WITH IT. I CALLED THE SHERIFF MULTIPLE TIMES. THEY CAME OUT THERE, THEY THREATENED HIM EVENTUALLY WITH, I GUESS, GIVING HIM AN ARREST WARRANT OR WHATEVER, MULTIPLE TIMES, YOU CAN GO LOOK AT IT, ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE WAS LEANING STUFF AGAINST MY FENCE, A SECTION OF WHICH I PUT UP TO BLOCK HIS GENERATOR BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T LOCK HIS GENERATOR NOISE SO I PUT UP A 50 FOOT SECTION ACROSS FROM -- COST ME ABOUT $3500. HE'S PUTTING STUFF UP AGAINST MY CHAIN-LINK FENCE. I STARTED CALLING THE SHERIFF. THE SHERIFF FINALLY AFTER MULTIPLE CALLS GOT FED UP WITH IT. I PUT CAMERAS OUT THERE. THEY ARE NOT OPERATIONAL, JUST TO SAY DON'T PUT STUFF UP ON MY FENCE ANYMORE AND HE STILL HAS SOMETHING UP ON MY FENCE TODAY.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS I DON'T WANT IT ON MY FENCE. MY FENCE IS ON MY PROPERTY. I'VE HAD ENOUGH WITH THE GUY. I'VE HAD ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH HIM. WITH HIS ISSUES, I DON'T DO STUFF TO PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LEAVE THEM ALONE AND I'VE GOT TOO MUCH TO DO TO GET ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS BALANCED BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. SO ANYWAY, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THESE

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MY FENCE, MY FOUR FOOT FENCE, MY FENCE ON THAT SITE IS ACCORDING TO CODE. EVERYTHING I'VE DONE IS ACCORDING TO CODE. I'M NOT VIOLATING CODES. I'M JUST ASKING

COMPLIANCE. >> THANK YOU, SIR. DR.

INAUDIBLE ], YOU HAD A QUESTION?

>> SO YOU SAID YOUR FENCES ON YOUR PROPERTY. IS IT ON THE

PROPERTY LINE? >> IT'S THREE INCHES IN THE PROPERTY LINE ON MY PROPERTY. A LOT OF PROPERLY, I NEVER FENCE ON THE LINE, WHICH SITS BACK BECAUSE OF THIS STUFF.

>> HOW MANY FEET ARE BETWEEN YOUR FENCE AND HIS NEW WHITE

VINYL FENCE? >> PROBABLY ABOUT A FOOT WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BERM . HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PUT A DRAINPIPE DOWN UNDER THE BERM ON THIS SIDE AND HE SUPPOSED TO PLUG UP THE 12 INCH PIPE, ANYWAY, SO HE PUT A PIPE DOWN THAT LINE. WHEN HE PUT IN HIS FENCE HE TOOK HIS FENCE POST DIGGERS AND HE CUT THROUGH IT MULTIPLE PLACES. I'VE GOT PICTURES OF IT. THE SOFT PIPE IS NO LONGER ANY GOOD AT ALL THE BERM IS STILL KEEPING WATER ON HIS PROPERTY FOR NOW.

>> IS HE -- WITH THAT FOOT BETWEEN YOUR FENCE AND HIS FENCE, IS HE STILL LEANING OBJECTS UP AGAINST YOUR FENCE?

>> WHEN HE WAS BUILDING HIS FENCE HE WAS BRINGING MATERIALS AND AND PUTTING THEM AGAINST MY PVC FENCE, WHICH IS ABOUT A 50 OR 60 FOOT SECTION AND HE WAS PUTTING IT AGAINST MY CHAIN-LINK FENCE. IT'S A WET AREA. YOU CAN'T PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO BACK , JUST LIKE GIVING YOU ANOTHER QUICK EXAMPLE. I HAD OAK TREES, LIVE OAKS. I'VE GOT A REAL PRETTY LOT, LOTS OF LIVE OAKS, KNOCKED DOWN 40% OF THEM BUT I HAD TWO LIVE OAKS AND I WANTED TO TAKE THEM DOWN. HE WENT TO THE COUNTY, SAID YOU CAN'T TAKE THEM DOWN, WE ENJOYED THEM. WHEN HE BUILT HIS HOUSE HE TOOK EVERY TREE DOWN EXCEPT I THINK FOUR POINT THERE WAS TREES ON HIS PROPERTY BUT HE CLEARED THEM ALL OUT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BUILD. HERE I AM TRYING TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM LIABILITY SINCE IT'S A LIABILITY ISSUE, I'M GOING TO TAKE HIM DOWN.

WHAT DOES HE DO? HE PARKS HIS MUSTANG UNDERNEATH AND SITS UNDER IT IN A LAWN CHAIR TRYING TO PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM CUTTING IT DOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE LIABILITY OF IT HITTING HIM FORGOT HAD EXTRA AND HAD SOMEBODY COME INTO ACTUALLY CUT THEM DOWN. I HAD PERMITS FOR IT AND IT WAS DONE WITH IT. THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT HE DOES TO ME REGULARLY AND THIS IS ONE MORE INSTANCE OF IT. I JUST WANT TO OBEY THE RULES. HE'S GOT A CULVERT IN HIS DRIVEWAY HE PUT IN WHEN HE BUILT. IS NOT ACCORDING TO CODE. MINE IS. I DON'T WANT THE HEADACHE OF HAVING TO FIGHT WITH PEOPLE

OVER THIS STUFF. >> SO YOU SAID THE CAMERAS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE PART OF

>> THEY WERE PUT UP THERE TO KEEP HIM, TO LET THEM THINK THEY WERE OPERATIONAL, TO SEE HIM PUTTING STUFF ON THE FENCE.

THEY ARE NOT AIMING TOWARDS THE BATHROOM AT ALL. THAT'S STUPIDITY. THERE SIMPLY LOOKING TOWARDS THE FENCE, TRYING TO PICK, TO LET HIM FEEL LIKE HE WAS BEING WATCHED. THE POLICEMAN TOLD ME IF HE DID IT AGAIN HE WAS GOING TO GO OVER THERE AND GIVE HIM A TRESPAS CITATION TO GO TO COURT OVER IT. HE WANTED TO SEE IT SO I PUT THOSE CAMERAS UP AND THERE'S NO FILMING THEM, THERE'S NO BATTERIES. I JUST PUT THEM UP THINKING MAYBE THIS WILL BE ENOUGH TO DO IT.

>> NOW THAT HE'S HEARD THAT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD TAKE THOSE CAMERAS DOWN IN EXCHANGE FOR HIM?

>> I PULLED ONE DOWN THREE WEEKS AGO. I JUST HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO PULL THE OTHER ONE, I'VE GOT TO GET UP ON A LADDER TO DO IT, I'LL BE ABLE TO PULL IT DOWN. LAST TIME I CUT MY YARD I PULLED IT DOWN BUT HIS BOAT IS STILL UP ON MY CHAIN-LINK FENCE. I DO NOT WANT IT ON MY FENCE. IT'S STILL SITTING THERE TODAY. I'VE ASKED HIM MULTIPLE TIMES TO REMOVE IT. HE WILL NOT AND THIS IS JUST MY NEIGHBOR.

>> OKAY. >> ON ACPA. I'VE BEEN A CPA. I JUST MADE MY CERTIFICATE IN ACTIVE. I OWN A LOT OF PROPERTY AND I TRY TO AVOID PROBLEMS WITH NEIGHBORS. THEY ARE THE

WORST PROBLEMS YOU CAN HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT.

>> ARE WE DONE YET? >> YOU CAN HANG AROUND OR YOU CAN LEAVE. WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO QUESTIONS.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE AUDIENCE FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO? IF NOT, MR. PARRISH, YOU CAN BACK UP.

>> THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE MUCH. I KNOW THERE WAS A PIPE ON MY PROPERTY THAT DIDN'T PUT WATER ON HIS PROPERTY BUT THAT WAS MITIGATED. BY HIS COMING ON MY PROPERTY WITH 80 POUNDS OF CONCRETE AND PIPE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE PROBLEMS AND I JUST WANT SOME PRIVACY, EVEN THOUGH THE CAMERAS ARE GONE, HE SAYS I DON'T KNOW, AND I JUST WANT SOME PRIVACY. I'D

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YOU. >> COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION PLEASE? SO YOU STATED YOU PUT UP THAT EXTRA SECTION OF FENCE TO GO UP TO THE NINE FEET, 9 1/2 FEET AS OF THOSE CAMERAS?

>> NO SIR, THAT'S WHERE HIS HOUSE IS. WHEN I SIT ON MY PATIO, THE CAMERAS ARE TO THE LEFT.

>> IT'S A 9 1/2 FOOT SECTION PRESENTED BY YOUR FRONT PORCH.

>> IT IS. >> SO THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT THE CAMERAS WERE LOOKING -- INTO YOUR FRONT PORCH AND THEN

INTO THE MASTER BATHROOM. >> HERE IS THE FRONT PORCH. THE CAMERA, ONE CAMERA IS BEHIND IT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ON A TREE. WAS EVIDENTLY BUT THE OTHER ONE IS FORWARD OF THE HOUSE ON A TREE SO -- ANYWAY, HERE IS ONE. THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THIS ONE LOOKS AT THE SIDE. THIS ONE LOOKS AT THE FRONT. AT MY PATIO. AND THIS, MAYBE THIS PICTURE YOU CAN SEE FROM HIS HOUSE, HERE IS HIS HOUSE HERE SO WHEN I'M SITTING ON MY PATIO AND LOWERING THE SHADE THAT I INSTALLED, HE CAN'T SEE ME FROM HIS HOUSE AND WHEN I LOWER THE SHADE HE CAN'T SEE ME.

>> ARE YOU USING THE WORD PATIO TO ALSO MEAN FRONT PORCH?

>> YES THAT'S WHAT I MEAN IS THE FRONT PORCH.

>> OKAY. >> BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. AND DISCUSSION. >> CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION OF THE AGENCY? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GRANT THE VARIANCE TO MAINTAIN THAT SMALL SECTION OF FENCE THEREFORE HIS PRIVACY REASONS SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S REALLY MITIGATING A POSSIBLE STORM AND THEN SPLIT THE VARIANCE AND NOT ALLOW -- HAVE THEM COME INTO CODE ON THE FRONT FOUR FEET. GET DIVIDED IF

THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO. >> IF YOU LIKE TO PUT IN A MOTION YOU CAN. YOU CAN DO VARIANCE IN PART OR IN WHOLE OR

DENY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION.

>> CAN I HAVE A MOTION? >> SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. ALL RIGHT. A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 202-3 10 6545 JACK WRIGHT ISLAND ROAD FENCE BASED ON FINDING OF FACTS AND SEVEN CONDITIONS PLUS ONE, IS THAT RIGHT, PROVIDING THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CONDITION AT THE FRONT FENCE BE PUT INTO

COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE? >> SO YOU WANT TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 9 1/2 FOOT HIGH AND LOW, SIX FOOT MAXIMUM REQUIREMENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE OTHER PORTION TO REMAIN IN

CODE. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT MOTION IS THERE, SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> OKAY, SECOND. ANY

DISCUSSION? >> SO WITH THAT MOTION THE 9 1/2 FOOT SECTION PANELS WOULD REMAIN. OKAY.

>> MADAM CHAIR, COULD I ASK JUST FOR A CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND? THE INTENT OF THE MOTION IS TO NOT APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR THE FENCE WITHIN THE FRONT SET

THAT. >> I DON'T HAVE MUCH DISCUSSION BUT I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A SQUABBLE BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORS. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A TRUE HARDSHIP IN MY OPINION, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS NO MATTER WHAT.

>> YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH. I SEE THIS AS A DISPUTE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD'VE REACHED THIS BOARD AT THIS POINT AND I WON'T BE SUPPORTING.

>> ANY OTHERS? SIMON, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE AND THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, PARTIAL APPROVAL. THAT MOTION PASSES.

SORRY, WE HAVE ONE. MS. CHRISTINE, WE NEED A MOTION. IS

THAT CORRECT OR JUST GOES ON? >> WILL THIS IS A DENY. IT'S A DENIAL OF THE MOTION. IT'S A DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE SO UNLESS THERE IS A SECOND MOTION, THAT'S YOUR ACTION.

>> SO TIE IS A NO. >> THANK YOU.

>> EXCUSE ME. CAN WE REDO THE VOTE? WE ARE REDOING THE VOTE.

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THERE ANY EXPERT? >> YES MADAM CHAIR. I DID DO A

SITE VISIT. >> OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? MR.

ROBBINS? >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

WORKING FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AGENCY MEMBERS, FOR THE RECORD, TONY ROBBINS, PROJECT MANAGER.

13901 BE REPRESENTING WORLD COMMERCE CENTER LLP. CLERK, APPRECIATE THAT. LOCATION IS, WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION OF THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS RIGHT OFF OF I-95 AND INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BEGINNING BACK 22 YEARS AGO IN 2002 IN MY FIRST PROJECTS HERE IN THE COUNTY, HAD THE LOCATION HIGHLIGHTED FOR THIS NON-ZONING VARIANCE THERE, DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HEADQUARTERS RUNNING ONTO I-95. AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH THERE IS A SMALL PLAZA, UNDEVELOPED LAND, LESS THAN AN ACRE. IT'S A MIXED USE DISTRICT. THE ZONING, VARIOUS MODIFICATIONS OVER THE LAST 22 YEARS, DOESN'T ALLOW FOR PLAZAS IN CIVIC SPACES IN FRONT OF THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. CITED ON THE MAP.

SITE PLAN IS DEPICT THEIR, REQUEST FOR, AS PART OF A WAR MEMORIAL, MILITARY MEMORIAL AT THE HARBOR BRIDGE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LARGE LIGHT POLE AS THE CENTERPIECE OF THAT ELEMENT. STILL EVENTUALLY BE A WALLED AREA REPRESENTING EACH OF THE DIVISIONS OF THE UNITED STATES ILLA TERRY REPRESENTED INTO IT. THE FLAGPOLE IT SELF BEING 120 FOOT TALL ANTIFLAG BEING 30 BY 50 AS PRESENTED BY THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN. THEREIN LIES SOME OF THE NEED FOR RELIEF AT -- ALONG WITH THE PLAQUES AND THE ICONIC FLAGPOLE, THE PUD WRITTEN 20 YEARS AGO TOOK THE STANDARD FOR FLAGPOLES AND THE HEIGHT OF THE FLAG OR HOW WIDE THE FLAG IS CAN BE 20% OF THAT FLAGPOLE HEIGHT. SO PED ALLOWS 30 FEET, ALLOWS A 24 FOOT HEIGHT. AGAIN, THE ICONIC DESIGN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR THE MEMORIAL IS 120 FOOT TO 30 ANTIFLAG AT 30 TO 50 IS LARGER SO THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS MEMBERS. IT ONLY APPLIES TO THIS PORTION OF THE ]. THE ONLY PERMISSIBLE FLAGS ARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, OUR STATE AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF FAMILIES POW MIA FLAGS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEIR INTENT IS TO ONLY FLY THE AMERICAN FLAG, HOWEVER, IN THE INTEREST OF NOT HAVING TO BOTHER YOU ON ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM WE THOUGHT TO INCLUDE OTHER APPROPRIATE ONES AS WELL ON THEIR, WE WELCOME YOUR THOUGHTS AND COMMNTS ON THAT THIS AFTERNOON. ANY PERMISSIBLE FLAGS OR COMBINATION OF FLAGS SHALL NOT EXCEED 25% BY 20% OF DEPARTMENT CODE RIGHT NOW OR 30 FEET, HOWEVER YOU WISH TO INTERPRET THAT. THE FINDINGS IN THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE FOR A NON-ZONING VARIANCE ARE THERE FOR YOU. I FIND IT IN MY APPLICATION THAT THIS IS COMPATIBLE TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. WE HAVE PYLON SIGNS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE VICINITY. THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER HAS NOT BUILT ALL OF THEIR IDENTIFICATION SIGNS BUT WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR NOW IS ACROSS TO THE NORTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, FAMILIAR WITH THE CADDY SHACK AS WELL AS PGA THAT IS THERE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS INTRUSIVE OR OUT OF CHARACTER OR OR NOT CAPABLE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, WE MAINTAIN THAT 75 FOOT WIDE SEATING EDGE SEPARATING US FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY ON I-95. I-95 'S PAVEMENT DOESN'T START AT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THERE'S

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>> WE DON'T KNOW YET. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WELCOMING ANY QUESTIONS NOW OR STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS LATER.

>> I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE AN ICONIC FLAGPOLE. WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL, IN YOUR MIND? ICONIC. IS IT PAINTED IN SOME SPECIAL WAY, EMBELLISHED IN SOME SPECIAL WAY? WHAT MAKES IT ICONIC OTHER THAN THE FLAG

BEING ON IT? >> THANK YOU. ICONIC IS MY TURN. IT STANDS OUT BEYOND THE TYPICAL 30 FOOT FLAGPOLES THAT WE HAVE IN OTHER AREAS AND OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE VICINITY BUT IT IS TO BE THE CENTRAL FOCAL POINT OF THIS MEMORIAL WE ARE DESIGNING SO THE SIGNIFIER AKIN TO THE MISSION IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, ICONIC, MY TURN, I APOLOGIZE.

STANDOUT ITEM ACROSS THERE. THIS IS THE IDENTIFIER FOR WHERE IF I'M COMING IN, WHERE AM I HEADED TO? I'M GOING TO FIND THE ICON WOULD BE THE FLAGPOLE.

>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU MEANT BY ICONIC. AND THEN SECONDLY I THOUGHT I READ IN THE ITEM BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS A 30 BY 60 FOOT FLAG AND I THINK YOU JUST SAID 30 BY 50 SO I JUST WANT TO

CLARIFY THIS. >> PLEASE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION INTO THE CHAIR, I GO 30 BY 60 BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE QUESTION FROM STAFF, THEY PROVIDED THEIR SPECIFIC ITEM AND IN OUR APPLICATION IT WAS 30 BY 50 IS WHAT YOU WERE READING FROM AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, IT'S 30 BY 60 BUT KNOWING THAT, THE KEY BEING THE 30 FOOT VERSUS 24 FEET OF WIDTH OF THAT FLAG IN ANY EVENT. 30 BY 60 IS WHAT THEY PROVIDE FOR ME. ACTUALLY PURCHASED, I

BELIEVE. >> APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.

>> I WELCOME YOUR QUESTION, THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I JUST HAVE A BRIEF QUESTION, AS WELL. YOU STATE IN THE APPLICATION OR AT LEAST THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF REPORT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE PUBLIC WOULD ACCESS IT ? I JUST WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. I DIDN'T SEE ANY PARKING OR ANYTHING SO COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THAT?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. THE IDEA BEING THAT IT'S NOT A FENCED OFF AREA, IT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, THOSE THAT ARE PASSING BY, AVAILABLE PARKING AND LOCATIONS THAT ARE THERE NOW. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE GONE BEYOND THE DESIGN ASPECT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLANS, WHETHER THEY'VE HAD SIX OR SEVEN SPACES FOR SUCH AN ELEMENT. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO TO HAVE FOLKS COME TO VISIT THAT AND HONOR THOSE WHO WERE THERE. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN SAFELY PARK AND GAIN ACCESS TO IT.

>> IT'S NOT JUST THE FLAG. THERE IS GOING TO BE ABLE OIL.

THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. >> SIMON, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? ALL RIGHT. BACK

INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> MR. MET AVENA?

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>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CAR 2024 05 RING OF HONOR MEMORIAL CENTER BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO FIVE CONDITIONS IS PROVIDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? SIMON, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU MR. ROBIN. ONTO NUMBER FOUR, --

>> I DID MAKE A PHONE CALL TO TRY TO SET UP A SITE IS IT, WAS NOT RESPONDED TO BUT I DID HAVE A SHORT EMAIL QUESTION WITH THE

APPLICANT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. BRETT DASHER, 23 DOWN IN COURT, PONTE VEDRA BEACH, 3208 TWO. I AM HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO PRESENT OUR MODIFICATION REQUEST FOR A

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SO WE ARE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH AREA. YOU CAN SEE OUR LOCATION ON THE MAP HERE. I'VE GOT A SURVEY THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE PLANS. THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS THE SURVEY. IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS JUST A BLOWN UP VERSION OF THAT SURVEY. BUT THE SET ASK THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE IN RELATION TO THE WATER WILL BE 11 FEET AND EIGHT FEET FOR THE HARD SCAPES.

AND ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY FIVE FEET FOR THE WATER AND THREE FEET FOR THE HARD SCAPES. HOPEFULLY SEE IN THE IMAGE. THIS IS A VIEW OF OUR BACKYARD WHERE THE PROJECT WILL TAKE PLACE AND IT WILL BE SORT OF IN THE BACK CORNER WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE IS A SOCCER NET BACK THERE AND WE DO PLAN ON REMOVING THE ACCOMMODATE THIS. NEXT SLIDE IS A RENDERING FROM THE POOL COMPANY OF OUR PROJECT. AND I'VE ALSO INCLUDED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM OUR NEIGHBORS INCLUDING THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY BEHIND US, WHICH WILL BE THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR TO THE POOL .

WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A REASONABLE REQUEST. WE HAD A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED SIMILAR VARIANCES DUE TO THE HARDSHIP OF THE SMALLER LOTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY. ANY

QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEE NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. PETER?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION 2020 4-02, BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> IN THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, IS THERE A SECOND?

>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> THIS WASN'T REALLY A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BRING IT UP IN DISCUSSION. I WAS WATCHING THE LOCAL NEWS THE OTHER NIGHT, JESSICA CLARK I THINK IT WAS REPORTING AND SHE MENTIONED THERE WAS A GUY KNOWN AS THE PAVER GUY AROUND ST.

JOHNS COUNTY THESE DAYS AND I NOTICED IT STATED IN THE APPLICATION THAT THE PAVER SET DECK WOULD BE THREE FEET IN LIEU OF FIVE FEET AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE THREE FEET SETBACK NOT BEING ADHERED TO ON PAVERS AND THE PAVER GUY WAS GOING AROUND, AND HE'S REPORTED HUNDREDS, I GUESS, TO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN VIOLATION OF THAT BECAUSE HE WAS CITED, ACTUALLY, SOME TIME AGO FOR NOT FOLLOWING THAT SO HE'S TAKEN IT UPON HIMSELF I GUESS TO GET IT CHANGED BUT HE'S ALSO REPORTING ON HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND HE SAYS THERE'S MANY MORE IN THE COUNTY THAT DON'T FOLLOW THAT RULE. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE

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FOLLOWING THAT RULE, RIGHT? >> RIGHT.

>> I CAN'T WAIT FOR THESE HUNDREDS OF CASES TO COME TO US. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY FUN.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ENJOY YOUR POOL. ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, IS THERE ANY

X PARTAKE? >> I DID DO A SITE VISIT.

>> ANYONE ELSE? SEE NONE, MR. WITKOWSKI, DID I GET THAT

CLOSE? NO? >> NO, BECAUSE I'M NOT MR. RAKOWSKI. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS. I'M MICHAEL SHOPS TYLER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF DAYTONA BOULEVARD, SUITE 600 IN DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT SWC PROPERTY WHICH IS AFFILIATES, IS HERE TODAY, HE WILL BE PART OF THE TEAM PRESENTING ALONG WITH OUR CLIENT CONTACT. WITH MY COLLEAGUE JESSICA GAL WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF REPORT AND EVERYONE'S TIME AND EFFORT IN

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SO I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO YOU TO START.

>> DO I HAVE TO SAY MY ADDRESS, NAME? DANIEL WOOD HAS A, 2610 ALLEN STREET, APARTMENT 2408, DALLAS, TEXAS. SO GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DAN WITH ISAAC. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF SITE ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT FOR RECOGNITION. A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT US. WE STARTED OUR FAMILY BUSINESS A LITTLE OVER THREE YEARS AGO NOW WHERE WE FOCUS AND SPECIALIZE SPECIFICALLY ON THE DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT, AND OPERATION OF SPECIFICALLY BOAT AND RV STORAGE. SO OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR RECREATIONAL HOBBIES, EVEN FROM A YOUNG AGE, SO, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN HIKING, CAMPING, FISHING AND SO MUCH SO MY UNCLE EVEN DECIDED TO CALL HIMSELF CHIEF CAMPER OF OUR COMPANY. JUST KIND OF PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE. LIKE WE REALLY DO LIVE THE LIFE THAT WE GREW UP DOING AND ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. SO EVENTUALLY, AS WE START TO GET OLDER, OUR PASSIONS KIND OF LED US TO THE SAME DIRECTION AND DECIDED TO START A BUSINESS TO GET A. AND THE GOAL OF THE BUSINESS WAS TO REALLY IMPROVE ON A STORAGE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND IT KIND OF GOES UNNOTICED. SO DRIVING THAT PASSION TOGETHER, I THINK IN ADDITION TO OUR PASSION, WE'VE ALSO SEEN, I THINK OVERALL, THAT THE CONTINUATION OFA S INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE FORCED THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE INTO STORING THEIR BOATS, RV PLATS, TRAILERS, JET SKIS, EVERYTHING THEY HAVE COME OFF THEIR PROPERTY AND INTO THESE SPECIFIC FACILITIES. AND SO, HISTORICALLY THESE FACILITIES ARE TYPICALLY GRAVEL LOTS, SOME FENCING, A GATE AND WHAT WE LOOK TO DO AND ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT IS SOMETHING TO RESOLVE A PROBLEM THAT WE EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND, AND WHAT THAT WAS IS THAT WE FOUND THAT THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY ARE SOMEWHAT OF A DISSERVICE TO THE SUPPORTING SYSTEM THAT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO STORE THEIR EXPENSIVE TOYS AND STUFF THAT THEY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR JUST NOT SERVING THEM CORRECTLY AND OUR GOAL IS TO MITIGATE THAT AS BEST AS WE CAN AND WE ATTEMPT TO DO THIS THROUGH CREATING STRUCTURES THAT WILL PREVENT IT FROM SUN DAMAGE, GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO TAKE IT, PLUG IT, CHARGE IT AND THEN UTILIZE IT AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO SPEND ALL THEIR TIME FIXING SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT AND REALLY SPEND TIME DOING THE HOBBIES THAT THEY REALLY HOPE TO WHEN THEY MADE THAT PURCHASE. SO THE ONLY WAY WE COULD REALLY GET THIS DONE IS BY FINDING A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE. IT HAS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT HAS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY AND IT ALSO HAS TO WORK FOR US AND WHAT WE FEEL THAT WE BROUGHT HERE TODAY IS A VISION THAT MEETS ALL OF THOSE NEEDS AND WE PUT TOGETHER A TEAM OF A LOCAL ATTORNEY, A LOCAL ENGINEER AND A LOCAL CONTRACTOR TO THINK THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS WE CAN AND BRING THAT IN FRONT OF Y'ALL TODAY AND SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'D LIKE TO GET A TEAM UP HERE TO REALLY WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH THAT VISION AND

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>> AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, PUTTING IT BACK TO THE APPLICATION BEFORE Y'ALL, THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED ON THIS, TWO FIGURES HERE, THE FUTURE OF LAND-USE IS ON THE LEFT, THE EXISTING ZONING IS ON THE RIGHT SO A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT 1.5 ACRES, 1.52 ACRES. PART OF THE PROPERTY USING THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT, AS YOU CAN SEE. THERE IS A LITTLE SLIVER THAT PROBABLY WAS VACATED RIGHT AWAY THAT WAS IN THE AIRPORT DISTRICT. THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY ALONG FIRST, ALL THE WAY TO AVENUE A, THAT'S ALSO ILWU AND PARTIALLY AIRPORT DISTRICT, PARTIALLY MIXED-USE, IS ALSO OWNED, AS I MENTIONED, BY THE APPLICANT. SO THE CONCEPT HERE WOULD BE TO HAVE IW ACROSS THE BOARD FROM THE AVENUE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH AVENUE D. TAKING A LOOK AT THE AREA AROUND THE SITE, IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING MIX OF USES. WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND VARIOUS BUSINESSES TO THE EAST AND PARTIALLY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE. THERE'S A TABLE THERE THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S A RESIDENCE BUT IT'S ALSO TAILORED TO USE PEST CONTROL THERE. THERE IS SOME STORAGE TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THE SITE, ACROSS U.S. ONE THERE IS A BOAT DEALERSHIP AND MINISTORAGE AS WELL. WE HAVE GOVERNMENT CORRECTIONAL USES TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE SO YOU CAN SEE THE JUVENILE FACILITY THERE DIRECTED TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A FIRE RESCUE ALONG AVENUE A FRONTAGE.

THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS THERE AS WELL AND YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE STORMWATER FACILITY THAT STRETCHES ALL THE WAY TO LEWIS SPEEDWAY THERE. THA'S PART OF THE COUNTY COMPLEX THAT INCLUDES THE JAIL AND THE JUVENILE FACILITY, AS WELL. THEN THERE IS A MIXED , AS I MENTIONED, RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND SOME RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, AS WELL. WHAT WE THINK WE'VE DONE HERE THAT IS UNIQUE AND INTERESTING IS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONCENTRATE ITS STORM WATER ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT THAT DOES, YOU SEE HERE, THE AREA OF THE REZONING IS OUTLINED IN RED AND SO THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. YOU SEE THE STORAGE FACILITY ON THE EAST SIDE, ON THE PROPERTY THEY OWNED CURRENTLY AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SUPPORT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, SO STORMWATER AND EMERGENCY ACCESS. SO WHAT THIS ALLOWS THIS PROJECT TO DO IS TO PROVIDE A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE CORRECTIONAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND THEN YOU HAVE A LESS INTENSE USE INCLUDING BUFFER TO THE NORTH AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESIDENCES TO THE WEST AND THEN NORTH OF FIRST STREET AS WELL. AGAIN WE'VE GOT THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES AROUND US SO WE THINK FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE IT'S UNLIKELY THAT RESIDENTIAL WILL BE THERE SO REPLACING IT WITH OPEN SPACE, LANDSCAPING AND I MENTIONED THE STORMWATER FACILITIES AND EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE STORAGE FACILITY I THINK IS A GOOD TRANSITION THERE BETWEEN ALL THE MIX OF USES YOU SEE OF THE SITE AND NOW I'D LIKE TO BRING ANDREW UP JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT.

>> ANDREW RAKOWSKI WITH LAENGEN ENGINEERING, ADDRESS IS 5043 NET COURT, ST. CLOUD PARK. THANKS, MICHAEL, AND THANKS FOR HAVING US. MICHAEL KIND OF WALKED THROUGH THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT AND I'LL KIND OF EXPAND ON THAT. WE HAVE CONCENTRATED ALL THE USES, IW YOU AND THE STORAGE IS ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE LOT. AND AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE ABOUT THE SITE RIGHT NOW IS IT WAS FORMERLY AN AUTO SALVAGE YARD. IT'S KIND OF UNSIGHTLY. IT'S HAPHAZARD. WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE AERIAL IMAGERY OF WHAT THE SITE HAS BEEN. IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED BUT FROM A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, IT WAS DEVELOPED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WAS IN EFFECT THE RULES. COVERAGE OF THAT ON THE PORTION TODAY IS

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>> JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE TO CONCLUDE. AS PART OF THIS REZONING BECAUSE A PORTION IS IN THE AIRPORT DISTRICT, WE DID CONFIRM WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY THAT THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS REZONING. WE UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF ALSO CONFERRED WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED REZONING AS WELL . THERE IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM A NEIGHBOR THAT WE RECEIVED AND THE COUNTY RECEIVED A RESPONSE TO OUR PUBLIC NOTICE SO WE WANTED TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE OF THAT AS WELL. I DO HAVE JUST A FEW PHOTOS TO SHOW YOU. THIS ISN'T THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY BUT THIS IS THE SITE WHEN OUR CLIENT ACQUIRED ITS ALONG AVENUE A PREVIOUS USE OUT THERE. THIS IS WHAT THE CONCEPT LOOKS LIKE OR THE SITE HAS DEVELOPED, LOOKING FROM AVENUE A. IF YOU GO BY THERE TODAY YOU WILL SEE THE FENCING AND THE LANDSCAPING IS ALREADY IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF STORAGE USE OUT THERE, JUST NOT USED AS THE VISION THAT OUR CLIENT HAS FOR THE PROPERTY. THEY DID SHARE WITH US A LITTLE EARLIER BUT THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT SOME OF OUR FACILITIES DO LOOK LIKE FROM OUR CLIENT IN FLORIDA. THERE WERE SOME AS WELL IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO JUST TO CONCLUDE, AGAIN, THIS IS AN AREA THAT SHOWS THE SITE, THAT CENTER PART OF THE PHOTO THERE BUT THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT OF A FORMER SALVAGE USE, GREAT FRONTAGE ALONG U.S. ONE AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AN OPPORTUNITY THAT OUR CLIENT HAS PRESENTED TO CREATE A TRUE CLASSY STORAGE FACILITY, NOT JUST THE PLACE FOR YOU PULL UP INTO A LOT, DROP OFF YOUR BOATS. A NICE YOU COVERED, WITH ELECTRIC, WITH HOOKUPS AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE CARE AND MAINTAIN. THEIR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND BOATS IN A SECURE AND SAFE FACILITY. CONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE OF THE MIXED AIRPORT DISTRICT, COORDINATED WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS ADJACENT TO THE INSTITUTIONAL USES AND AGAIN WE FEEL THAT THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY WILL PROVIDE A NICE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE USES TO THE SOUTH AND THE USES TO THE NORTH. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT AND ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER

ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> I'M GLAD Y'ALL COORDINATED WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT WAS GREAT. YOU ALSO WEREN'T REQUIRED TO DO THIS BUT Y'ALL HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TO DISCUSS ANY OF YOUR

PLANS? >> NO SIR, WE DID NOT. WE DID SEND OUT THE PUBLIC NOTICES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY

DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> OKAY. SPEAKING OF ACCESS AND TRAFFIC, I ASSUME THE TWO MAIN WAYS TO GET TO THIS WOULD EITHER BE OFF THIS WAY, HAVING A OR OFF U.S. ONE COMING ACROSS. HOW MUCH TRAFFIC ARE Y'ALL ACTUALLY GOING TO GENERATE? IS THERE ADEQUATE CAPACITY ON THAT SMALL

NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE? >> I WAS LOOKING AT AN AERIAL PHOTO WHEN THIS GENTLEMAN WAS SPEAKING. I MAY HAVE MISSED

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SOMETHING YOU SAID. >> MAYBE I'LL START AND THEN ANDREW CAN FILL IN AGAIN. I THINK MOST OF THE EXCESS WILL COME OFF OF U.S. ONE AND YOU GOT LEWIS SPEEDWAY TO THE SOUTH WHERE YOU TURN ON TO AVENUE A AND COME UP INTO THE SECTION, YOU PASS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE CLERK OF COURT, AND ONCE YOU PASS THE FIRE STATION AND ALSO FROM U.S. ONE YOU ARE COMING NORTH, LEWIS SPEEDWAY, TURNED ONTO AVENUE A AND COME IN. I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE MUCH TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS BECAUSE THE ONLY ENTRANCE FOR NONEMERGENCY VEHICLES WOULD BE ON AVENUE A. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO PRIMARY WAYS TO GET TO AVENUE A.

>> AT THIS TIME WE HAVEN'T DONE A DETAILED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

THAT'S GOING TO SAY WORLD THE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM. BUT I WILL SAY THAT GENERALLY AUTO SALVAGE IS GOING TO BE A HIGHER IMPACT, THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT THEN WHAT A TYPICAL RV AND BOAT STORAGE WOULD BE.

>> DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANY ESTIMATES ON TRAFFIC? THAT LEWIS SPEEDWAY HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES UP HERE AS HAVING TRAFFIC ISSUES AND DEVELOPMENTS PROPOSED NEAR AND ON LEWIS SPEEDWAY PARTICULARLY. AND SOME OF AVENUE A HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AS WELL SO I JUST WONDER THIS. I JUST WONDERED WHAT THE TRAFIC IMPACTS MIGHT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I APOLOGIZE. I'VE BEEN SICK SO I DON'T SOUND SO GREAT. JAN TRANTHAM WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. THE TRIP RATES THAT WE HAVE FOR RV BOAT STORAGE IS 2.57 PER ACRE.

SO IT'S VERY LOW. I THINK THE SITE AND REZONING IS 1 1/2

ACRES SO THAT'S NOT MUCH. >> OKAY. GOOD.

>> SO THERE WAS REALLY NO CONCERN FROM OUR STANDPOINT.

>> OKAY. I'M SORRY YOU'RE SICK OR HAVE BEEN SICK. PLEASE STAND AT THE PODIUM OVER THERE NEXT TIME.

>> DOING THE HOLDING POND AREA WHERE YOU ARE OVER ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE. I THINK THAT'S SMART BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS JUST ACROSS AVENUE A TO THE WEST FROM Y'ALL? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WETLAND AREA IS ACROSS THERE? DO YOU HAVE ANY

IDEA? >> IT IS THE ULTIMATE DISCHARGE POINT. IDENTIFIED ON IN WI. WE HAVE THAT ON-SITE.

>> THAT'S PART OF THE HEADWATERS OF THE SAN SEBASTIAN RIVER SO I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PROTECTED. I KNOW THERE'S DEVELOPMENT. IT JUST COMES DOWN RIGHT OVER HERE, THERE IS DEVELOPMENT AROUND HERE BUT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF A WATERSHED THAT DUMPS INTO THE MATANZAS BAY, MATANZAS ESTUARY ULTIMATELY. SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING. I'M SURE THE DISTRICT , ST. JOHN'S INAUDIBLE ] WILL BE RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU WITH THAT.

APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. OTTAVINO?

>> WOULD YOUR CLIENT CONSIDER ONE OF THE ALLOWED USES UNDER LIGHTING AND DISTRACTION, WOULD THEY CONSIDER A TEXT AMENDMENT

TO DELETE THAT USE? >> THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING

TO DO HERE. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. I LIKE THE PICTURES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN, IT IS BEAUTIFUL FOR THAT SORT OF THING. HOW TALL ARE THE BUILDINGS?

>> 16 FEET AT THE HIGHEST WITH 14 FEET OF CLEARANCE. THE TALLEST POINT OF THE BUILDING IS 16 FEET.

>> THANK YOU. >> WELL I WANTED TO ASK THE FIRST SPEAKER. THIS IS KIND OF OFF THE SUBJECT. YOU JUST SIT THERE AND YOU SAY YES OR NO. YOU DON'T NEED TO COME UP AND SPEAK BUT THE FIRST SLIDE YOU SHOWED, THERE WAS A WOMAN SITTING ON A KUBOTA TRACK FOR. IT LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS DOING A HOKUM HORNS SIGN. IS THAT TRUE?

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE POINT BUT IT'S SO MINOR

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>> IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? ALL RIGHT. SEE NONE, WE ARE BACK TO THE AGENCY

FOR A MOTION. MR. MET AVENA. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2023-27 SWC-20

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THE ZONE. >> SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE. OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, ANYBODY HAVE ANY X

PARTAKE? >> YES MADAM CHAIR, I DID A SITE VISIT. I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH DISCUSS THE PROJECT. I'M SO SORRY. NUMBER SIX? I WROTE THE WRONG THING. GSR. YES, SITE VISIT.

>> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, ARE YOU MR. MILLER?

>> YES MA'AM. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER ON A1. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE TREASURE BEACH SECTION OF A 1A AND WE ARE REQUESTING A REZONE OF LOTS THREE AND FOUR, CURRENTLY ZONED TO A CONFORMING OF THE HOUSES AROUND IT WHICH IS R AND H. PROPERTY IS LOCATED RIGHT NEAR TREASURE BEACH ROAD ACROSS FROM SEYCHELLES COMMUNITY, WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE. IT IS TWO LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WOODED. THEY ARE CURRENTLY ZONED CN WITH A FUTURE LAND USE OF RSC. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE ZONING MAP HIGHLIGHTING THE CN, WE'VE DONE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA THAT WERE CN OVER TO THIS SIMILAR ZONING. THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING WHERE IT IS LOCATED ON ONE. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I BROUGHT BEFORE YOU BEFORE. WE HAVE CHANGED THE HOUSE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE HOUSING MARKET HAS CHANGED. THERE BEING PULLED AWAY FROM AIRBNB, MORE INTO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, SO TODAY WITH A HOUSE, JUST A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, A LITTLE SMALLER IN SIZE, BRINGING DOWN THAT BEDROOM COUNT. YOU'LL SEE THE DETAILS HERE IN A SECOND.

THAT'S A LOT THREE AND FOUR AND THAT'S A FULL SITE OVERLAY AS WELL. INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF A 1A HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD SO I'D LIKE YOU TO KNOW IT WOULD BE A SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH AN ABILITY TO TURN CARS AROUND SO THEY'D BE PULLING OUT FORWARD ONTO A 1A OFF OF BOTH PROPERTIES. THIS IS A PICTURE OF A SIMILAR HOME WE'VE BUILT THAT IS OVERLAID ON THAT SITE PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME COVERED AS WELL. DETAILS OF THE HOME ON THOSE SITES WOULD BE THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH AND 1344 SQUARE FEET, FRAME BUILT BY LOCAL CONTRACTORS. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> YOU ARE A BUSY MAN. YOU ARE HERE EVERY MONTH WITH A NEW ONE. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.

YOU SAID THE MARKET HAS CHANGED AND IS THAT A WAY AWAY FROM

AIRBNBS? >> YES, WE ARE DEFINITELY SEEING A DECLINE IN THE AIRBNB NUMBERS NATIONWIDE AND LOCALLY, JUST KIND OF CHANGING OF HOUSE DESIGN.

>> DUE TO A LACK OF AIRBNBS? >> I THINK THE PULLBAC BECAUSE OF THE COVID TIMING. IF WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT BACK THEN, WHEN YOU COULD TRAVEL AND WORK FROM ANYWHERE, IT WAS A LOT EASIER. NOW PEOPLE ARE POTENTIALLY TRAVELING TO WORK, SO A LITTLE LESS TRAVEL AND CHANGE OF THE ECONOMY, AS WELL.

>> OKAY, ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE, SORT OF OUR COVER PAGE AND THIS MAY BE MORE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE ANSWERED THIS, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. FIRST PAGE, ON DESCRIBING THE ITEM IT SAYS REZONED APPROXIMATELY 0.43 ACRES OF LAND,&, TO ALLOW FOR TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON EACH OF THE PLATTED LOTS OF RECORD. READING THAT SENTENCE TO ME,

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BE FOUR HOUSES. >> THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

>> YOU JUST SAID THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE ON EACH.

>> ONE ON EACH, EXACTLY. >> TOTAL OF TWO POINT

>> THAT'S CORRECT. I WILL BUILD THEM FOR, IF YOU LET ME,

THOUGH. >> THANK YOU. FOUR WOULD BE PUSHING IT, IN MY OPINION. THAT'S JUST ME.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEE NONE, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? BACK INTO THE

AGENCY FOR A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 2024 02 GSL ARC ENTERPRISES SO THAT IS PROVIDED IN THIS HEARING.

>> THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE

ANY X PARTAKE? >> LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN . I WROTE IT ON THE WRONG PAGE. I APOLOGIZE. I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH DISCUSSING THE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT AND SCHOOL DISTRICT IMPACT A LITTLE BIT AND TRAFFIC AND I DID ALSO HAVE A VERY BRIEF PHONE CONVERSATION WITH JESSICA CLARK. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE PROJECT, WHAT IT WAS AND WHERE

IT WAS LIFTED. >> I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH DISCUSSED SOME OF THE PLANS THE APPLICANT HAS FOR MITIGATING

TRAFFIC EVENTS. >> I ALSO HAD A CALL YESTERDAY.

I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO CALL HIM BACK.

>> I ALSO SPOKE WITH MS. AVERY SMITH THIS MORNING.

>> I ALSO SPOKE WITH AVERY SMITH YESTERDAY ON THE PROJECT.

>> A COUPLE OF EMAIL AUTHORIZATIONS

>> ALL RIGHT. >> MADAM CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, WE ARE GOING TO DO THE PRESENTATION FOR THEIR MAJOR MODIFICATION IN THE REZONING APPLICATION IN ONE POWERPOINT, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE TWO APPLICATIONS FIT TOGETHER. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SET UP AND WE CAN ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC AFTER THE PRESENTATION. WITH ME TODAY FROM SUMMIT CONSTRUCTION GROUP IS OUR CLIENT, IS CHRIS KLOTZ. JACK KALTENBERGER, I'M SORRY, HOLDS BERG. SORRY, JACK, FROM OUR PROJECT TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER. THAT LINE FROM GOLD STREET IS NOT HERE WITH US TODAY BUT WILL BE HERE FOR BCC AND ONE OF THE LOGOS YOU DON'T SEE IS RYAN CARTER, WHO IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT IN CASE WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. SO JUST TO ORIENT EVERYBODY, THE PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TOTAL IS ABOUT 10 ACRES LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 207 ALONG IN YOU CAN SEE -- HERE IS 207, FRANKOFF ROAD AND BOTH PARCELS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR LOCATED IN THIS AREA, SO OVERALL PROPERTY, THE EAST PARCEL, WHICH IS THIS ONE, IS CURRENTLY ZONED OR. THE WEST PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PUD SO IT'S REALLY THE WEST PARCEL THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS SO THE APPLICATION ASKS TO REMOVE THIS PARCEL FROM THE TREE GROUND PUD AND REZONE IT TO OPEN RURAL. IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS BUT THEY ARE THE SAME FIVE ACRES. JUST TO BE CLEAR. THEY WILL BE USED -- SO THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY OR, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THE ENTIRE 10 ACRES OR 9.9 ACRES ZONED AS OR FOR AN EARLY LEARNING CENTER AND A K-8 PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL. SO, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING AREA AGAIN. HERE IS THE PROJECT. YOU SEE THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND YOU SEE THE COMMERCIAL OUT HERE AT BRINKERHOFF ROAD AND STATE ROAD 207 AS WELL AS TREE PARK. AND THEN ZOOMING IN, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL, C, WHICH ALLOWS BOTH THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER AND THE CHARTER SCHOOL AS A MATTER OF RIGHT AND THEN YOU SEE THE EXISTING ZONING MAP AND THIS IS THE PUD PARCEL AND THIS IS THE OPEN

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IT WILL INCLUDE ABOUT 200 TO 300 STUDENTS TO RAMP UP. THE PRE-K EARLY LEARNING CENTER WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT OF 220 STUDENTS, AGAIN INCREASING THE ENROLLMENT TO A MAXIMUM OF 220 OVER ABOUT A FOUR YEAR PERIOD. HERE IS WHAT THE BREAKOFF ACADEMY K-8 WILL LOOK LIKE. AND THEN HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BESIDE ACCESS AND MR. HOLDS BERG AGAIN IS HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THERE IS A TRAFFIC STUDY IN YOUR PACKAGE BUT THE NOTION IS THIS APPLICANT WILL CONSTRUCT TURN LANES WITHIN BRINKERHOFF ROAD.

THE RED OUR PROPOSED LEFT TURN LANES. THE YELLOW ARE PROPOSED RIGHT TURN LANES TO IMPROVE ACCESS AND TO THE SCHOOL SITE FROM BRINKERHOFF ROAD. AND YOU ALSO SEE LOCATIONS FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING HERE. FOR PARENT PICKUP AND DROP OFF. I HAVE LEARNED MORE ABOUT PARENT PICKUP AND DROP OFF IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO THAN I EVER CARED TO KNOW SO HERE WE GO. THE ENTERING TRAFFIC, IF YOU WANT TO COME IN FROM GOING WESTBOUND YOU HAVE TO ENTER -- YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN IN, MAKES A LOOP AROUND THE PROPERTY AND GO BACK OUT. IF YOU'RE GOING EASTBOUND YOU HAVE TO TURN LEFT AND GO OUT. SAME THING WITH EXITING TRAFFIC, SO IT'S RIGHT IN, LEFT OURE, LEFT IN, WRITE OUT HERE AND YOU SEE THERE IS AMPLE STACKING IN MULTIPLE LANES ON THE SCHOOL SITE SO THE TRAFFIC DOES NOT BACK OFF ONTO BRINKERHOFF ROAD. AGAIN, I WON'T READ ALL OF THIS TO YOU.

YOU CAN READ FOR YOUR CELLS BUT JACK AND HIS TEAM DID PUT TOGETHER IN THAT TRAFFIC REPORT, THEY'VE ANALYZED ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS WITH 207 BRINKERHOFF ROAD AND WILDWOOD AND BRINKERHOFF IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. BUT THE PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE ABOUT $375,000 TOWARD THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THE COUNTY IS INSTALLING AT THE INTERSECTION OF 207 AND BRINKERHOFF ROAD. THE COUNTY IS, MY UNDERSTANDING, HAS THE FUNDING FOR THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO THE OPENING IN THE FALL OF 2025. IF IT'S NOT, THEN OUR CLIENT HAS AGREED TO HAVE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS CONTROL TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW FROM SCHOOLS, DROP OFF IS DURING I'LL CALL IT A M RUSH-HOUR, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED THE TRAFFIC CONTROL. THESE SCHOOLS WILL LET OUT EARLIER THAN THE 4:00 TO 5:00 TO 6:00 P.M. PEAK HOUR SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL AT 4:00 AND 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON AT THE INTERSECTION OF 207 AND BRINKERHOFF SIMPLY BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS WILL BE GONE BY THEN.

AND AGAIN WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE RIGHT AND LEFT DECELERATION LANES, ACCESS POINTS INTO THE SCHOOL AND THERE WILL BE A CROSSWALK, CROSSWALK SIGNAGE AND CROSSING GUARDS. AND SO AGAIN, I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRINKERHOFF ROAD, THE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS, ALSO THE COUNTY STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT THIS APPLICANT PROVIDE A BOND SO THAT WHEN THE SCHOOL OPENS IF OTHER TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED TO BRING ON THE ROAD THEY WILL HAVE FINANCIAL SECURITY, IF YOU WILL, TO HAVE THOSE

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THIS IS A PUBLIC SCHOOL AND SO THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE FUNDING AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS PARTICULAR CHARTER SCHOOL OR AT LEAST THE CURRICULUM AND OTHER, I'LL CALL ITS GOVERNING PRINCIPLES OR DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. AND THEN ABOUT THE OPERATOR, WHICH IS CHARTER SCHOOLS USA, FOUNDED IN 1997, SERVING 16 COUNTIES IN FLORIDA ALREADY, NEARLY 100 SCHOOLS NATIONWIDE WITH 81,000 STUDENTS AND THEN YOU COULD READ THE REST OF THIS. AND THEN THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AGAIN. OUR WHOLE TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT SO THANK YOU FOR

YOUR ATTENTION. >> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS BUT THE FIRST COMMENT IS YOU'RE NOT ALL DRESSED IN BLACK. YOU

COMPLETELY THROUGH US OFF. >> IT'S SPRINGTIME.

>> GOOD POINT. IT'S ALMOST SUMMER TIME. YEAH. DON'T TAKE ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS AS BEING ANTI-EDUCATIONAL. OTHERWISE I WOULD NOT SPEND A LARGE SEGMENT OF MY LIFE IN SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITIES, ET CETERA. BUT YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN TO THIS AREA BEFORE BECAUSE YOUR EASTERN PROPERTY WAS PROPOSED MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO FOR A SELF STORAGE UNIT AND IT WAS DENIED. THERE WAS AN OUTCRY FROM RESIDENTS AND SO FORTH. I KNOW IT'S SORT OF A STORAGE YARD FOR HEAVY EQUIPMENT SO I'VE BEEN BY IT BEFORE, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, KB HOMES HAS A PROJECT IN THE NORTHWEST THAT DOUG BURNETT TOOK US A WHILE BACK SO I'VE BEEN TO THE AREA BEFORE AND ALSO LOOKED AT THE

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>> IN RESPONSE TO THAT, TALKING THROUGH IT, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES A LONG 207 AND ALONG WILDWOOD AND THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT -- NOT IMMEDIATELY, I APOLOGIZE, BUT NEAR TREE PARK. WE WERE FEELING LIKE THIS IS A REALLY COMPATIBLE USE BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE DESIGNED TO BE EMBEDDED WITHIN A COMMUNITY, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK OR RIDE THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GET ON THE ARTERIAL

ROADS AND DRIVE FOR MILES. >> I'M GLAD YOU PUT THAT INFORMATION ON CHARTER SCHOOLS. I DIDN'T GET TO READ ALL OF WHAT YOU HAD UP THERE. THERE ARE THE OTHER SCHOOLS NEARBY, OTIS MASON ABOUT A MILE AWAY, ST. JOHN'S ACADEMY ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AWAY. OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 2.9 MILES AWAY, AND SO FORTH, SO I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE PCA THAT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE A NEW SCHOOL COMING IN. I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER IT BUT PUBLIC SCHOOLS WE GET TO SAY ABOUT THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, I DON'T REMEMBER LOOKING AT ONE BEFORE. THE QUESTION I HAVE, I LOOKED THROUGH YOUR THOROUGH APPLICATION MATERIALS. IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE A CERTIFICATE OF NEED SUCH AS USED TO BE REQUIRED FOR HOSPITALS. THE STATE DID AWAY WITH THAT A FEW YEARS AGO, CERTIFICATE OF NEED TO ESTABLISH A NEW HOSPITAL. IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR A NEW SCHOOL?

>> I'M GOING TO LET CHRIS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS SINCE HE'S MUCH MORE WELL-VERSED THAN I BUT WITH RESPECT TO WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY, WE ARE HERE FOR A REZONING OF BASICALLY HALF OF THIS PROPERTY OVER RURAL WHICH ALLOWS SCHOOLS AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

>> I'M IN THE THEME OF ALL THIS, I DON'T THINK I'M

STRAYING TOO FAR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHRIS KLOTZ, 2006 OAK GROVE CIRCLE, NEVILLE, FLORIDA. TO RESPOND TO THE DEMONSTRATION OF NEED, THERE IS NOT ONE. WHAT WE DO IS REALLY STUDY THE AREAS THAT ARE IN NEED OF A SCHOOL, STUDY THINGS LIKE SCHOOL CHOICE, AVAILABILITY AND MARKET GROWTH, POPULATION, THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVE AT A TARGET AREA. WE START TO LOOK AT A COMMUNITY, WE'VE DONE THE RESOURCES, THIS

COMMUNITY NEEDS A SCHOOL. >> YOU'RE FROM JACKSONVILLE AND AGAIN, I WAS WATCHING THE LOCAL NEWS THE OTHER NIGHT, I TRY TO STAY INFORMED ON LOCAL MATTERS AND THERE WAS A STORY ABOUT -- AND THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING IN THE NEWS FOR SOME TIME, DEUEL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS THINKING ABOUT CLOSING OR CONSOLIDATING, SOME SCHOOLS, MAYBE EVEN UP TO A COUPLE DOZEN SCHOOLS AND ONE OF THE REASONS CITED IN THIS REPORT WAS COMPETITION FROM CHARTER SCHOOLS. SO WHAT I'M WONDERING ABOUT IS WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING HERE, IS THAT POTENTIALLY GOING TO IMPACT MASON, OSCEOLA, ST. JOHN'S ACADEMY IS NOT TECHNICALLY, I GUESS, A PUBLIC SCHOOL. IT'S A PRIVATE ACADEMY BUT COUNTIES INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THESE SCHOOLS SO I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU FEEL THE IMPACT MIGHT BE ON THOSE, MIGHT IT CAUSE POSSIBLE CLOSURE OF ALREADY EXISTING PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES?

>> JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IN JACKSONVILLE, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERWHELMING SHIFT TOWARD SCHOOL CHOICE THAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE STATE, PRIMARILY JACKSONVILLE.

HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW THAT AFFECTS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHAT THEY DON'T OFTEN TALK ABOUT IS THE EFFECTS ON FAMILIES AND STUDENTS AND REALLY IT'S BETTER FOR THEM TO HAVE THOSE CHOICES, HAVE THOSE OPTIONS AND THE PARENTS OF THE STUDENTS GET TO ENJOY THAT CHOICE SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE BRINGING ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND I DO WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE IN THAT. I'M A PARENT WHO PUTS THEIR KIDS INTO SCHOOL CHOICE AND PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT OPTION. NOT BETTER OR WORSE BUT THEY ENJOY THESE OPTIONS OF SCHOOL CHOICE. OUR MARKET ANALYSIS OF THIS AREA

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PARENTS. >> CHRIS, AND I WILL GO BACK AND PUT THE LIGHT UP ON THE POWERPOINT BUT TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THE SCHOOL DOESN'T -- THE

CHARTER SCHOOL DOESN'T WORK. >> I SAW THAT. I DIDN'T READ THAT. THAT WAS OF INTEREST, CERTAINLY AND JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING THE FUNDING FOR -- FALL IS THE STUDENT. THAT'S THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THE LEGISLATION SAYS IF A PARENT WANTS TO CHOOSE TO SEND IT TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL THEY WILL RECEIVE THAT SAME VOUCHER. IF IT'S USED TO GO TO A CHARTER SCHOOL OR A PUBLIC SCHOOL THERE IS NO VOUCHER TO EXCHANGE AND THAT SCHOOL WAS IMPACTS THE SCHOOL BOARD, RECEIVES SOME MORE MONEY WHEN A KID GOES TO A CHARTER SCHOOL BECAUSE THE MONEY THAT FOLLOWS THE STUDENT TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL IS ABOUT $8200. SO IF YOU TAKE THE 8200 THAT THEY ARE TAKING TO THAT CHARTER SCHOOL, IF YOU LOOK AT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD THEY'RE SPENDING ABOUT $20,000 PER STUDENT IN TOTAL EDUCATION IF YOU LOOK AT AN ANNUAL EXPENDITURE.

>> SO DOES THAT TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS?

>> THE $8200 WOULD ORDINARILY GO TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL, THAT FOLLOWS THE CHILD. NOT THE REST OF THE MONY.

>> OKAY. MY THIRD CONCERN, AND THIS I GUESS YOUR TRAFFIC PERSON CAN ADDRESS THIS, IS THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. I LIKE YOUR CUEING MODEL AND SO FORTH AND IF YOU CAN KEEP PARENTS OF STUDENTS OFF OF CELL PHONES, PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS. BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT ONE. BUT I HAVE ALL THE FIGURES HERE SO I DON'T NEED TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO A.M.

AND P.M., DAILY TRIPS, BUT THE TOTAL TRIPS FOR THE TOWNHOUSES THAT WERE GOING TO BE THERE, THE 28TH TOWNHOUSES, THAT WAS GOING TO BE 255 DAILY TRIPS BUT WHAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING, THAT'S OVER A TENFOLD INCREASE OF TRAFFIC. THAT'S 2606 TRIPS OF CARS RIGHT THERE AND BRINKERHOFF ROAD IS ABOUT 50% CAPACITY. I DON'T KNOW AND I ASK THIS TWO WEEKS AGO FOR ANOTHER ITEM, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY ON 207 RIGHT NOW? WHAT IS DEMAND ON WILDWOOD? IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION -- THE ONLY WAYS YOU CAN GET THERE ARE EITHER ON WILDWOOD OR ON 207

POINT >> I'M GOING TO HAVE JACK GOLDBERG COME UP. HE IS OUR PROJECT TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER BUT ALSO I WANT TO POINT OUT, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT HEARING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A CHARTER SCHOOL IS APPROPRIATE. AND I SAY THAT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. USE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A REZONING OF BASICALLY FIVE ACRES TO OPEN RURAL. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT -- I UNDERSTAND CONCERNS ABOUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOLS, WHICH ARE EXCELLENT SCHOOLS, AND I THINK WHAT CHRIS HAS JUST TOLD YOU IS THIS IS DESIGNED TO COMPLEMENT THEM, NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THEM. BUT JUST WANT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT YOUR TRAFFIC?

>> I AM STILL FOCUSED ON THE REZONING OF THE FIVE ACRES FROM PEREZ C SO THAT IS PART OF THIS AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO

DISCUSS. >> JACKALS BIRD, KENLEY HARGETT ASSOCIATES, 12740 GRAND BAY PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

JAN, I MIGHT NEED YOUR HELP ANSWERING THE CAPACITY QUESTION ON STATE ROAD 207 AND WILDWOOD DRIVE. THIS IS NOT A CONCURRENCY STUDY. THIS IS A SITE ACCESS STUDY SO THE TYPICAL CONCERNS HE STUDY WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING AT ALL THE RESERVE TRIPS, WE ARE LOOKING AT MORE SPECIFIC INTERSECTION ANALYSIS LIKE THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 207 AT BRINKERHOFF ROAD AND REALLY THE KEY THERE IS THE SIGNAL. THE SIGNAL IS NEEDED TODAY. IT'S WARRANTED TODAY. WHEN ANALYZED WITH THE SIGNAL DURING THE SCHOOL A.M. PEAK HOUR, WE ARE GETTING I BELIEVE AN OVERALL LEVEL OF SERVICE C AT THAT SIGNAL, YES THAT'S CORRECT, AND DURING THE SCHOOL P.M. PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 2:00 TO 3:00 P.M., OVERALL

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>> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IN THE COUNTY AS IT IS, AND I TOLD A LITTLE ANECDOTE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT I WAS ON 2071 FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND IT WAS HORRENDOUS TRAFFIC AND WHEN I FIT 2606 MORE CARS, TENFOLD INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, THAT'S A CONCERN TO

ME. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, THE CAPACITY IS VERY LARGE ON THIS SITE AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS ALSO NOTES WHEN THE SCHOOL BELLS WILL OCCUR AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NO LATER THAN 3:15 IN THE AFTERNOON, THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE GONE SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE P.M. PEAK HOUR LIKELY TOWNHOME PROJECT OR ANYTHING ELSE WOULD. AND AGAIN, THEY ARE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE CONGESTION ON THE ROADS BY STAGGERING STARTING TIMES WITH THE EXISTING SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.

>> AND I WAS THERE ON 207 RIGHT NEAR OTIS MASON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AROUND 3:00, 3:30 IN THE AFTERNOON, AND IT WAS PACKED SO IN AN EVENT -- THOSE ARE CONCERNS OF MINE SO IF JAN COULD JUST ENLIGHTEN US PLEASE SINCE THE WAYS TO GET THERE ARE WILDWOOD AND 207, ON WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THOSE ROADS ARE, I'D BE MOST HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.

>> OKAY, I HAVE MY TRUSTY LITTLE SPREADSHEET.

>> TRUSTEE SPREADSHEET. WE LOVE TO HAVE THAT. DO WE HAVE THAT?

DID YOU SEND IT TO US? >> IT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND IT TO YOU AS WELL. IT WAS JUST UP DATED ON APRIL 8 WITH 2023 TRAFFIC COUNTS AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN UPDATED. FOR STATE ROAD 207, THE LINK THAT IS FROM I-95 TO WILDWOOD DRIVE IS CURRENTLY AT 102.8%, CONSIDERED DEFICIENT BASED ON P.M. PEAK, TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC AND THAT IS EXISTING TRAFFIC PLUS RESERVE TRIPS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S HOLDING APPROVED CONCURRENCY CERTIFICATE. AGAIN, THAT'S P.M. PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC BETWEEN

4:00 AND 6:00 P.M. >> OVER 102.7, OKAY.

>> RIGHT. SCHOOL TRAFFIC, AND AS SHE SAID, THE P.M. PEAK FOR THE SCHOOL IS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN THE ADJACENT STREETS SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF TRAFFIC BETWEEN 2:00 AND 3:00 OR 3:00 TO 4:00.

>> THAT'S FINE. >> AND THEN WILDWOOD DRIVE IS FROM DEAR CHASE TO 207, SO THAT'S DOWN AT THE CURVE UP TO 207 IS AT 66.3% OF CAPACITY, TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC, SAME

P.M. PEAK. >> APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.

AND I'M SURPRISED WE DIDN'T SEE BILL UP HERE TODAY. TELL

BILL HELLO. PLEASE CONTINUE. >> THANK YOU.

>> I DO HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS TO MAKE, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD RESERVE THAT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. I DID DO A LITTLE DIGGING INTO THE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA AND HOW MANY PORTABLES THERE ARE AND --

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NOW TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS PHILIP DELMORE. I LIVE ON 286 MUSTARD HILL COURT IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TOWNS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THIS BOARD PUTS IN AND THE DEPTH OF WHICH YOUR QUESTIONS SHOW THAT YOU'RE VERY BALANCED OR IT DOES APPEAR THAT WAY. OUR CONCERN ALSO IS THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WHAT I SAW UP THERE WAS A VERY SHORT SCOPE OF TRAFFIC ALTHOUGH I THINK THEIR IDEAS WERE NOT BAD. I DO UNDERSTAND THERE IS A ROAD THAT IS A DIRT ROAD THAT HAS BEEN CUT BEHIND ANDALUSIA GOING OUT TO 207. DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THE CONSIDERATION FOR INCOMING AND OUTGOING TRAFFIC TO ALLEVIATE SO MUCH ON BRINKERHOFF, THAT'S JUST ONE THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO

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THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE PCA AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. MY NAME IS DEBORAH QUINN, I LIVE AT 41 TUMBLES DUNAWAY, SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND I'M THE CURRENT HOA PRESIDENT FOR THE TREATY OAKS ASSOCIATION. LET M■E TART BY SAYING I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SCHOOLS. I PERSONALLY WORKED IN SCHOOLS FOR OVER 17 YEARS AND I KNOW THE VALUE THAT A SCHOOL CAN BRING TO AN AREA. HOWEVER, WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE SCHOOL, I WAS NOT INITIALLY OPPOSED ALTOGETHER. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HOWEVER, WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER, RAY ALANO, IN APRIL AT OUR LATEST HOA BOARD MEETING. IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED BY THE APPLICANT DID NOT INCLUDE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE EASEMENTS IN AND OUT OF TREATY OAKS ENCLAVE AND ORCHARD PARK, WHICH ARE THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS A LARGE CONCERN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS. TREATY OAKS AND ENCLAVE ALONE HAVE 423 HOMES AND MOST OF THE RESIDENTS ARE YOUNG FAMILIES. THEY HAVE TO GO TO WORK. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE AFTERNOON HOURS GOING IN AND OUT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MORNING HOURS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO GET TO THEIR JOBS, OKAY? IT DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING ON THAT STUDY THAT SHOWS OUR EGRESS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE BLOCKED FROM CARS, EVEN IF THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT INITIALLY CARS STACKED ONTO THEIR PROPERTY, IT WILL PROBABLY STILL RUN OUT ONTO BRINKERHOFF AND AS WE WERE TOLD THAT THE LIGHT WOULD BE POSSIBLY PUT IN BY THE SUMMER OF 2025, THERE IS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AT THE CORNER OF 207 AND BRINKERHOFF RIGHT NOW WITH A CIRCLE ONE GAS STATION GOING IN. WE'VE ALSO GOT A STARBUCKS COMING IN. I MEAN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COUGH CAN HOLD IS ONLY SO MUCH AND I REALLY FEEL THAT THIS SCHOOL WILL TIP IT OVER THE TOP. I DO NOT FEEL AT THIS POINT, BASED ON THEIR STUDY, THEY DID NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT ARE THERE, AND AS FAR AS CHANGING THE PUD FOR THE PROPERTY, FOR THE ZONING, YOU KNOW THIS AREA, I WAS HERE TWO YEARS AGO, ALSO ON THAT PROPERTY AND SPEAKING TO BOTH YOUR AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND I JUST FEEL THAT WE CANNOT -- WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. IT IS LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR AREA GREATLY. SO I'M ASKING YOU TODAY TO PLEASE NOT TO CHANGE OVER THE PUD AND ALSO TO REZONE AND ALSO TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN I'VE ASKED REGARDING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MICHAEL STEARNS. I LIVE AT 246 OF VENTURING AVENUE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TREATY OAKS BOARD AS THE SECRETARY. I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT I AM PRO-EDUCATION. I SPENT 10 YEARS ON THE SCHOOL BOARDING NEW YORK SO VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND THAT.

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE SCHOOL. I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE EDUCATION BRINGS BUT FOR ME IT'S ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION WE ARE LOOKING AT. WHEN I MOVED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 2020, TRAFFIC ON 207, 207 ONTO BRINKHOFF ONTO WILDWOOD, EXTREMELY BUSY THEN.

WE'VE NOW ADDED A PARK TO THE PARK, A PUBLIX, MAVIS, OCEAN 99

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THERE ARE -- THIS HAPPENS AT ST. JOHN'S ACADEMY. I'VE WITNESSED IT MYSELF. THIS BACKUP IS WHAT MAKES ME MOST WORRIED FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR PEOPLE. THE INCREASED TRAFFIC ONLY SERVES TO PREVENT EMERGENCY SERVICES FROM GETTING TO THE COMMUNITY IN A TIMELY MANNER. THAT EQUALS RISKS TO OUR FAMILIES. THE DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE NEIGHBOHOOD RANGES FROM SENIORS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO INFANTS. THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC EQUALS LESS PATIENCE , NOT THE PARENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE LESS PATIENT. MORE TRAFFIC WILL ALSO THEN LEAD TO MORE ACCIDENTS, WHICH IS A SAFETY CONCERN. THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN LEFT TURNS, WHICH WILL CREATE CONFLICT POINTS AND THAT WILL CREATE BACKUPS, WHICH LEADS ME BACK TO POINT ONE. THERE WERE 960 STUDENTS PLUS ANOTHER 250 FOR THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER PLUS STAFF AS I UNDERSTAND IT. MORE CARS COMING IN AND OUT EQUALS CUEING. EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A CUEING MECHANISM, THAT WILL NEVER GO ACCORDING TO PLAN. THAT CUEING WILL EQUAL BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC, WHICH ALSO LEADS ME BACK TO 2.1. MY ASK IN THIS POSITION IS TO REDO A TRAFFIC STUDY, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SINGLE EGRESS POINTS WE HAVE IN ADVENTURING AND IN ENCLAVE AND THEN COME BACK AND TELL US THE TRAFFIC OR THE IMPACTS TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAT PROPOSES. I AM NOT A FAN OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY BUT I'M ALSO NOT OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE CONFIGURATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR. 699 SANDSTONE DRIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE , RESIDENT OF TREATY OAKS. IN INTEREST OF FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M ALSO AN EMPLOYEE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY HIM OF THE ENGINEERING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.

IN THIS CASE, AS SOON AS I HEARD ABOUT THAT SCHOOL, I CAN'T THINK OF THAT WORD NOW. I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE INAUDIBLE ] SO IT'S ALSO UNUSUAL THAT MY CAREER HAS BEEN SPENT IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING. THOSE ARE MY QUALIFICATIONS.

I'VE HAD 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE. RIGHT NOW I DON'T DO IT FOR THE COUNTY. BUT I DID THIS UP IN THE NEW YORK METRO AREA, PLANNING AND ENGINEERING, SAFETY STUDIES, TRANSPORTATION PLAN ENGINEERING, AND MY CERTIFICATIONS ARE INACTIVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T NEED THEM. I WAS A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNER AND ACTUALLY THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO ASK IS I HAVE ABOUT 10 SLIDES. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GET THROUGH IN THREE MINUTES. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO BE ABLE TO FINISH MY PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.

>> SURE, JUST TRY AND MAKE IT --

>> I WILL TRY AND GO THROUGH IT AS BEST AS I CAN. 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THE COMPATIBILITY OF LAND USE IS DEPENDENT UPON NUMEROUS CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAY IMPACT ADJACENT OR SURROUNDING USES. KNOW YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS. THOSE USES INCLUDE EXITING INTENSITY, HEIGHT, GENERAL APPEARANCE, AESTHETICS, GENERATION, ABOUT HOW THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SECOND PARAGRAPH SAYS A REZONING REQUEST SHALL NOT BE APPROVED IF THOSE PERMITTED USES ARE DETERMINED TO HAVE AN UNREASONABLE, INCOMPATIBLE IMPACT SECOND PARAGRAPH REFERS TO THE SAME THING REGARDING TRAFFIC.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE, IS IT COMPATIBLE? THESE SITUATIONS, THE PUBLIC GETS UP HERE AND WE ALL HAVE TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WE ARE THERE

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THERE WILL BE A PLAYGROUND. THERE IS A CAFETERIA. THEY HAVE TO START EARLY IN THE MORNING AND CAUSE ODORS FOUR LANES OF BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC IDLING WHILE THEY WAIT FOR THEIR TURN TO DROP OFF THEIR CHILD. NOBODY IS GOING TO TURN THEIR CAR OFF AND SIT THERE WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING. SO ALL THOSE CARS ARE GOING TO BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UNDER ], IDLING AWAY. WITH THE TRIP GENERATION FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU SEE THAT THERE WERE 605 ENTERING, 555 EXITING IN THE MORNING, 339 AND 352 RESPECTIVELY IN THE AFTERNOON.

BY RIGHT DEVELOPING, AS BEST I CAN DETERMINE, IS ABOUT 60 RESIDENTIAL UNITS CURRENT MANUALS BUT IF MEMORY SERVES I THINK THAT'S ABOUT 1.2 VEHICLES PER UNIT FOR 72 TRIPS AND THAT'S IN AND OUT. I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE INAUDIBLE ] BEGIN AT 350. THAT'S THE START. IT'S STILL GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET THOSE STUDENTS OUT OF THE SCHOOL INTO THE CARS AND CLEAR THOSE CARS SO THAT STARTS AT 350 AND IT GOES UNTIL 325, WHO KNOWS. THE OTHER ISSUE THERE IS NORMAL PEAK HOUR PERIODS, NOW FOR US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE 315 TO SIX BECAUSE IT STARTED EARLY, IT'S GOING TO SPREAD THE SHOULDERS OF THAT PEAK AND START EARLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I COMPARED THE A.M. TRIP GENERATION, 1160 VEHICLES. BY RIGHT DEVELOPING, THAT'S THE NEXT ESTIMATE. 1088 TRIPS. FOR THE P.M. PEAK IT 690. A.M. IS 15 TIMES MORE TRAFFIC THAT WAS PLANNED TO BE GENERATED FROM THE SITE. IN THE P.M. IT'S ALMOST 9. I DID A LITTLE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE AND WITH 960 STUDENTS JUST LOOKING AT K THROUGH EIGHT, I FIGURE NOT EVERY CAR IS GOING TO HAVE TWO KIDS IN IT. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE, MAYBE EVERY FOURTH CAR WILL HAVE TWO. THAT'S ABOUT 1.25. I'VE RUN THROUGH ALL THESE NUMBERS, THAT EQUALS 768 VEHICLES THAT HAVE TO BE SERVICED ON SITE. ON-SITE STORAGE IS 4300 LINEAR FEET SO 4300, TYPICAL OF 25 FEET PER CAR, EQUALS 172 VEHICLES THAT CAN BE STORED ON SITE. 768 VEHICLE DEMAND VERSUS 172 VEHICLE STORAGE. 596 FEELS VEHICLES HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE, EVEN ASSUMING SOME MOVE OUT, MORE COME IN, THEY HAVE TO MOVE OUT ONTO THE ROADWAY AND GET THROUGH THIS AREA ANOTHER 14,900 LINEAR FEET OF STORAGE SPACE REQUIRED. THEY HAVE TO WRAP AROUND THAT SITE FOR TEAM TIMES. THAT'S 2.8 MILES OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, CERTAINLY ENOUGH TO SPILL BACK ON TO TO A SEVEN, INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS POTENTIALLY.

NOW THE ANALYSIS WAS DONE WITH ZERO. THEY DID THREE INTERSECTIONS. THEY CAME OUT WITH LEVEL SERVICE B, LEVEL OF SERVICE C, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENCE? THEY DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE US. THERE ARE TWO DRIVEWAYS, AS SOMEBODY PREVIOUSLY SAID, WITH RESIDENTS. IT COULD TAKE US FIVE MINUTES TO GET OUT. WE COULD KNOCK IT OUT. THEY ARE ALSO MISSING THEIR TWO ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAYS. SO THE REAL IMPACTS ARE BETWEEN 8 AND 15 TIMES MORE TRAFFIC THAN IS ALLOWED BY WEIGHT. WILDWOOD AVENUE, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE LEFT TURNS FROM BREAKOFF ONTO WILDWOOD BECAUSE OF THE NORTHBOUND LANES. I DO IT NOW AND IT TAKES SOMETIMES TWO OR THREE MINUTES SO IT'S VERY LIKELY THE SIGNAL WOULD BE

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>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? YES MA'AM.

>> LAURA REVEL. I HATE SPEAKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. I HAVE FIVE GRANDCHILDREN IN THE DISTRICT. THREE OF THEM GO TO A CHARTER SCHOOL. TWO OF THEM GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. THEY GO TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THE CONDITIONS OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL. WE FEEL THE NORTH PART OF SAINT JOHN'S COUNTY HAVE GOTTEN THE BENEFIT OF THE MONEY AND NOT THE SOUTH. OUR SCHOOLS NEED SOME MONEY AND THAT'S WHY CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE THEIR PLACE. THAT BEING SAID, I PICK UP MY GRANDCHILDREN EVERY AFTERNOON. I'LL TELL YOU NOW, I'M THERE AT LEAST A HALF AN HOUR, 45 MINUTES EARLY EVERY DAY TO PICK THEM UP. THAT RENDERING OF THAT SCHOOL AND THAT DRIVEWAY, FORGET IT. THERE ARE GOING TO BE PARENTS THERE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP THEM. THAT AT LEAST 25% OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE THE GRANDPARENTS WHO WANT TO GET THERE EARLY. THEY WANT TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS. THEY'RE OWING TO BE SITTING THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO CAUSE TRAFFIC JAMS. THERE IS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE OUT OF TREATY OAKS. ONLY ONE, AND THAT ROAD THAT THEY WERE SHOWING THAT THE CARS ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH SORRY I HATE TALKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, I'M GETTING NERVOUS, IT'S GOING TO BLOCK US. IT'S ALSO SCHOOL BUSES THAT ARE DROPPING OFF KIDS FROM WHATEVER THE SCHOOL IS THAT MY KIDS DON'T GO TO, GRANDKIDS. BUT THERE'S SCHOOL BUSES THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK OFF THE ROAD, GOING TO DELAY THE SCHOOL BUSES. THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO GET HOME LATE. I DON'T THINK YOUR RENDERING IS VERY GOOD. I DON'T THINK THIS CHOICE OF WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT AND HOW THEY WANT TO HAVE A THERE IS VERY GOOD, BECAUSE I LET YOU KNOW, I'LL BE BLOCKING THAT ROAD IF THAT WAS ME. MY KIDS WERE THERE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO. THANK YOU.

>> JACK, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS?

>> I DID. IF I COULD ASK THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO COME UP REAL QUICK AGAIN, I FORGOT YOUR

NAME. >> WOW.

>> WOW. >> YOU MENTIONED THAT COMMISSIONER LINO ATTENDED A MEETING WITH YOU WHERE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN A TRAFFIC STUDY.

>> CORRECT. >> I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW THE CONTEXT OF THE MEETING. WAS AT A MEETING SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION OR MORE OF A TOWN HALL?

>> NO, IT WAS JUST OUR EKELER BOARD MEETING THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE MONTHLY, WE DID ASK HIM TO COME TO LET US KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE GOING AROUND IN THE AREA HERE AND THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE TOPICS, ALONG WITH THE

TRAFFIC LIGHT OF THE 207. >> AND DID YOU OFFER AN OPINION

ON THE SUBJECT HE'LL >> KNOW HE DID NOT, HE DID NOT.

HE SAID HE COULD NOT OFFER ANY OPINION. HE JUST WAS THERE TO GIVE US ANY INFORMATION THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.

>> OKAY. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO

SPEAK? MA'AM,, UP. >> MY NAME IS ALSO A TREATY OAKS RESIDENT. I'M ALSO NOT OPPOSED TO THE SCHOOL. I DID INITIALLY THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AERIALLY, MY ONLY CONCERN, AND WHAT I WOULD QUESTION IS WHY THERE. I CAN UNDERSTAND IF WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY AND SPACE WAS NOT -- THERE WASN'T SPACE.

IF YOU LOOK AERIALLY, THERE IS A SITE NEXT TO TREATY OAKS RIGHT OFF OF 207. THERE IS SPACE ON WILDWOOD. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT SEEMS VERY ODD THAT YOU WOULD SQUEEZE THAT INTO THE

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AND THEY CAN STILL DO IT, IT JUST DOESN'T NEED TO BE RIGHT THERE AND THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE ON EITHER SIDE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BREAKOFF AND NOTHING TO DO WITH TREATY OAKS AND IT WOULDN'T IMPACT US, AND THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION, IS WHY THERE. THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? I CAN SEE NONE.

>> OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO RESIDENTS FOR COMING AND SPEAKING ABOUT THIS. ALL I WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, THAT WE AS OF THE STAFF REPORT TIME, WE WERE NOT AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS PLAN AT ALL, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING. WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THERE WAS ANY OPPOSITION AND SO WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS RAISED RIGHT HERE, AND THEN WE CAN GO TO THE BOARD, UNLESS YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS -- WILL LET US TALK ABOUT WHAT QUESTIONS WERE RAISED EITHER RESIDENCE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE BOARD. SO CHRIS, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT STACKING AND

WHY THIS LOCATION? >> OKAY. I WAS MAKING NOTES AS EVERYONE WAS SPEAKING AND I WANT TO DO MY BEST TO GO THROUGH AND ADDRESS OR AT LEAST TRY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT A LOT OF THESE CONCERN. THE FIRST ONE OF THESE ARE NOT IN A PARTICULAR ORDER BUT THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT FOLKS AND PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS THAT ARRIVE EARLY.

THAT'S CONTEMPLATED IN OUR PLAN AND OUR IDEA IS THAT IF A PARENT SHOULD ARRIVE 30 MINUTES, AN HOUR, THEY'RE FREE TO COME ON THE SITE AND USE THESE CUEING LANES. THOSE CUEING LANES ARE THERE FOR THAT REASON. THAT'S TO BRING THE CARS OFF OF BRINKHOFF ROAD AND ONTO THE SITE SO THEY CAN QUEUE AS LONG AS THEY LIKE BECAUSE THE FENCING THAT SEPARATES THE STUDENTS COMES KIND OF DOWN THIS ROAD HERE AND ENCAPSULATES THE RECREATION FIELD AND TURNED BACK TO THE SCHOOL, SO THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR ANYBODY THAT'S PARKED IN THE QUEUE TO INTERACT WITH THE STUDENTS. THIS SYSTEM WE'VE SEEN WORK. IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE'VE DONE THIS SYSTEM IN MANY SCHOOLS. MYSELF, I'VE DONE IT 13 TIMES IN JACKSONVILLE AND THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT BUT THIS SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE THAT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. TOTAL TIME THAT IT TAKES THE SCHOOL TO UNLOAD THE ENTIRE SCHOOL IS ABOUT 20 MINUTES AND THAT INCLUDES CLEARING ALL OF THE CARS OUT OF THE QUEUE AND ALL THE CARS OFF THE LOCAL ROAD, SO IT'S A VERY QUICK, EFFICIENT PROCESS THAT'S BEEN REFINED OVER 20 YEARS THAT THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM HAS BEEN USED. SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY HERE TO THINK WE ARE JUST KIND OF TRYING THIS OUT, THAT THIS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. I JUST FINISHED -- I WANT THE BOARD AND AGENCY AND PUBLIC TO KNOW THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN WELL USED FOR 20 YEARS. THERE IS 13 MILLION STUDENTS THAT ARE PICKED UP IN THIS SYSTEM, ALMOST JUST LIKE THIS, ANNUALLY IN THE SCHOOLS JUST LIKE THESE. SO IT'S VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. SORRY IF I'M GOING ON A BIT OF A RANT. IN SUMMARY, WE ARE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE EARLY ARRIVALS. THAT DOES HELP SPREAD OUT THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY SORT OF COMING AT ONE TIME, DESCENDING ON SCHOOL. YOU SEE A LOT OF SIBLINGS WHERE PARENTS ARE COMING IN, THEY ARE DROPPING OFF KIDS AT THE LEARNING CENTER AND THE SCHOOL AT THE SAME TIME. YOU SEE A LOT OF CARPOOLING. THERE IS ABOUT 2.2 OR 2.3 STUDENTS PER VEHICLE THAT SHOWS UP AND JUST BECAUSE THE BELL RINGS AT 8:15 IN THE MORNING DOESN'T MEAN EVERY STUDENT IS SHOWING UP. THE SCHOOL IS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL CARE. THERE IS THE ACTIVITY BUSES BRINGING KIDS IN AND OUT, SMALL, PASSENGER VANS. THERE IS A LOT OF REASONS WHY THE SCHOOL DOESN'T -- YOU WOULDN'T SEE AN INSTANCE WHERE THE GENTLEMAN, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER PRESENTED WHERE THEY WOULD BE 700 OR 800 CARS AT ONE TIME.

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THIS IS DESIGNED TO GET OUT QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY. JACK WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANYTHING LEFT OFF OR LOCATED FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT TYPICALLY DOES GET SUBJECTED TO THE COUNTY.

INAUDIBLE ] COMMENTS ABOUT IT WERE MISSING OR BEING INADEQUATE. I DID WANT TO MENTION WE TALK ABOUT THE COMING -- ALL THE THINGS COMING TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO PRESENT THIS SCHOOL WE WERE TOLD THAT THE TREATY OAKS COMMUNITY WAS TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THERE COMMUNITY WAS PROMISED, TO PROVIDE THAT SIGNAL. AND BECAUSE WE WERE INSIDE THAT D, THAT WE WERE A PART OF THAT ALLOCATION, SO WE CAME UP AND SAID WE WANTED TO SATISFY THAT OBLIGATION. WE WANTED TO PAY OUR SHARE BEFORE WE ASK THAT IT BE REMOVED FROM THE PDU THE WE WENT AHEAD WITH THE COUNTY AND SAID WE PAID OUR PORTION OF THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THEN WE'D LIKE IT TO BE REMOVED SO WE CAN HAVE THE OPEN RULE ZONING. WE'VE MADE A LOT OF EFFORTS WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE PUBLIC JUST TO HELP MOVE THAT SIGNAL FORWARD. IT WAS OUR EFFORTS, MEANING PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST ME, THAT GOT TOGETHER TO PUT FORTH THE MONEY TO PROVIDE THE SIGNAL AND I THINK THAT'S A RESPONSIBLE MOVE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO HAMMER IN THIS TRAFFIC WITHOUT THOROUGHLY ADDRESSING IT, THOROUGHLY CONSIDERING IT, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, TO STOP ME FROM GOING TOO LONG.

>> SCHOOL, AND TO THE COMMENT WHERE THEY SAY PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT CREATES MORE TRAFFIC. SO IF YOU PUT A SCHOOL OUTSIDE OF TOWN OR NOT NEAR RESIDENCES THEN YOU ARE JUST CREATING MORE TRAFFIC AS THESE RESIDENTIALLY TO THE COMMUNITIES, DRIVE TO SCHOOL AND DRIVE BACK. WE'VE LOOKED FOR A COMPATIBLE USE THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITIES. THAT'S HOW SCHOOLS ARE DESIGNED TO BE AND I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON IT BUT WE SEE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES, THEIR DESIGNING SCHOOLS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES FOR THOSE REASONS. ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS INSIDE GO TO SCHOOL THERE. THEY'RE NOT DRIVING ACROSS TOWN, THEY'RE NOT DRIVING ANY FURTHER THAN THEY NEED TO, AND I WENT TO BEACH, WE WALKED TO SCHOOL, WE RODE OUR BIKES TO SCHOOL.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO BRING TO THIS COMMUNITY. SORRY, I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO GET ALL OF MY NOTES IN HERE. THERE WAS A COMMENT ON COOKING. THE SCHOOL PROVIDES A WARMING KITCHEN. THERE IS A CAFETERIA. THAT KITCHEN IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT FRESHLY PREPARED MEALS, SIMILAR TO A LOT OF SCHOOLS THESE DAYS WHERE THE MEALS COME IN, THEY GET WARMED AND SERVED TO THE STUDENTS SO THERE'S NO FRYERS, THERE'S NO GRILLS, THERE'S NO SMOKE, I DON'T KNOW THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, THE VENTILATION -- THANK YOU. NO IMPACT FROM THE COOKING. THERE IS ANOTHER SLIDE HERE THAT SHOWS THE COMMUNITY BEHIND THE SCHOOL SO WE REALLY DON'T SEE MANY HOMES ON THIS SLIDE. THERE IS A CONSERVATION AREA THAT IS A WOODED AREA. THAT KIND OF SURROUNDS OUR SITE HERE SO THAT'S A GOOD BUILT-IN BUFFER.

WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THE NOISE, THE VEHICLE POLLUTION THAT IF THIS WERE TO BE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, YOU JUSTDON'T HAVE THAT IN THE SENSE THAT THERE IS VEHICLES THERE AND THEY WILL BE WITH THEIR MOTORS ON AND IDLING THROUGH THIS PICKUP AND DROP OFF AREA. THAT'S A QUICK MOTION. AGAIN, THAT'S FUNNY TO 25 MINUTES. DURING THE MORNING DROP OFF THAT IS A VERY STAGGERED MOTION SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ANYBODY DROPPING AND BACKING UP TO THE QUEUE, PARENTS PULL UP, THEY LEAVE, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A HUGE QUEUE DURING THE MORNING HOURS. THIS SCHOOL IS NOT PROPOSING TO OPERATE AT NIGHT SO THERE IS A BALL FIELD THERE BUT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO LIGHT THE FIELD SO WE DO THAT POTENTIALLY SO THERE IS NO IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ANY BALL GAMES GOING ON AT NIGHT, ONCE THE SCHOOL DEPARTS AND LEAVES AGAIN THERE IS SOME AFTERSCHOOL ACTIVITIES THAT GO UNTIL ABOUT 5:00 P.M.. THEY'RE DONE. LIGHTS ARE OFF, THERE IS SECURITY LIGHTING AROUND THE PARKING LOT BUT THERE IS NO

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ANALYSIS? >> I'LL JUST COMMENT ON THE CUEING AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE ABOUT HIS ESTIMATED QUEUE. I THINK THAT ASSUMES THAT EVERY SINGLE PARENT WILL BE ON SITE AT ONE TIME, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.

METHODOLOGY FOR PREDICTING ON-SITE CUES FOR THESE CHARTER SCHOOLS AND IT'S BASED ON ACTUAL FIELD STUDIES OF EXISTING SCHOOLS. STUDY WAS DEVELOPED BY THE NORTH CAROLINA DOT. IT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY F DOT AND F DOT HAS RECENTLY SENT US A STUDY THAT'S JUST LOCAL, JUST SCHOOLS AROUND JACKSONVILLE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY CHARTER SCHOOLS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DID FOUR FIELD STUDIES USING DRONES, LOOKED AT AERIAL FOOTAGE TO ACTUALLY MEASURE THE QUEUES, THE ON-SITE CUES CREATED BY THESE CHARTER SCHOOLS FROM THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF AREA AND THEY COMPARED THOSE CUES TO WHAT WAS PREDICTED IN THOSE CHARTER SCHOOLS TRAFFIC STUDIES. OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD NEVER PREDICT IT PERFECTLY BUT I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT WERE MORE THAN PREDICTED AND A COUPLE THAT WERE LESS THAN PREDICTED, BUT NOTHING THAT WAS WILDLY OFF BASE.

>> TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE MAIN LINE OF BRINKHOFF TO GET CARS OUT OF THE MAINLINE AND INTO LEFT OR

RIGHT TURN LANES. >> THEY'RE PROPOSING LEFT AND RIGHT TURN DECELERATION LANES AT EVERY SINGLE ENTRANCE. AT BOTH ENTRANCES TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL AND THEN ALSO AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DAYCARE, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT SITE PLAN IS SHOWING LEFT AND RIGHT TURN D CELLS AT THE DAYCARE BUT ON THE RIGHT, NOT SURE WHY THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD -- BUT IT WILL BE REQUIRED. THAT IS A CONDITION.

>> THE TURN LANE IS SHOWN THERE. I JUST DREW A RED BOX OVER IT TO CALL IT OUT AT THE FAR RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM, THAT'S A LEFT-HAND DECELERATION TURN LANE THAT GOES INTO THE DAYCARE. I WAS TRYING TO DO MY BEST TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE LANES BUT IT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF MARKED OVER BUT THERE IS INDEED THREE LEFT AND FREE RIGHT TURN LANES ON

THE PLAN. >> SO WITH THAT , I MISSED PEOPLE, I KNOW YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, SO DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED?

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. I DID A LITTLE BIT OF LOOKING AROUND JUST BECAUSE I'M ALL ABOUT SCHOOLS, I'M ALL ABOUT EDUCATION, I'M ALL ABOUT SCHOOL CHOICE. I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL IN THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN. WE ARE JUST, YEAH, SO I DID FIND THAT THERE ARE THREE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEY ARE INCLUDED AS PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT LIST OF SCHOOLS AND THERE ARE 221 STUDENTS REGISTERED FOR 2023 SCHOOL YEAR FOR OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, SO THIS IS A BIG JUMP. I DID CALL THE THREE SCHOOLS PROVIDED AND CALL THE HIGH SCHOOL. I KNOW THEIR REPORT, PEDRO MENENDEZ, BUT I DID CALL TO OTIS MASON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST SCHOOL, WHICH IS WHERE MY GRANDDAUGHTER GOES, SEVEN MILES FROM MY HOME, 10 MORE AT OTIS MASON, SO THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY OVER THE CAPACITY THEY INTENDED WHEN THEY BUILT THE SCHOOL. HARTLEY HAS FOUR AND GABLE ROGERS, WHICH IS THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT SERVES THIS AREA, HAS TWO ONLY. BUT THE THING TO ME ABOUT SCHOOLS AND ABOUT KIDS IS NOT LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING AN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER OR KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL SOMEWHERE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DRIVEN SOMEWHERE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE, I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY UNDERSTAND INTERNAL CAPTURE BUT PEOPLE WILL SHIFT FROM ONE SCHOOL TO ANOTHER. KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL SOMEWHERE THAT TRAFFIC WILL GO. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE ON BRINKHOFF ROAD WERE AWARE THAT THE GPS ROUTES ALL TRAFFIC THROUGH BRINKHOFF ROAD , WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, CRAZY TO ME. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL SO YOU'RE ALREADY KIND OF ON A DEFICIT WITH THAT PORTION. MY BIGGEST QUESTION REALLY IS WHENEVER I LOOK AT ANY APPLICATION, ESPECIALLY IF IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, IS HOW DOES IT BENEFIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. DOES IT BENEFIT MORE THAN JUST THE DEVELOPER? HOW DOES IT BENEFIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY? AND FOR ME AS A SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PGA, I THINK WE NEED SCHOOLS. THE COUNTY'S GROWING. THERE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO NEED TO BE PLACES FOR CHILDREN TO GO TO SCHOOL. THERE ARE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN HERE THAT HAVE SCHOOLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PALENCIA IS ONE OF THEM AND THEY WANT TO SEE

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I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS TRAFFIC STUDY. I DID READ WORD FOR WORD THE ENTIRE TRAFFIC STUDY. SO MUCH OF IT IS JUST GREEK TO ME BUT I LOVE THE NORTH CAROLINA APP THAT YOU CAN USE AND PLUG IN, THESE ARE MY NUMBERS, THESE ARE HOW MANY STUDENTS WE EXPECT, THIS IS THE AREA, AND COMING UP WITH A PLAN THAT ACTUALLY GETS THOSE CARS OFF THE ROAD, EVEN IF IT'S NOT PERFECT. IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON AROUND, ANYWAY. SO I THINK TO ME THAT SATISFIES AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, THE IDEA OF THAT MANY CARS GOING ON THE ROAD. AGAIN, I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S AN OVERESTIMATION BECAUSE THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL SOMEWHERE. THOSE CARS ARE GOING TO BE GOING SOMEWHERE AND THAT AREA IN SOME PLACE SO THE BENEFIT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IF YOU WOULD

ADDRESS THAT. >> CHRIS, I WILL START OFF AS A GENERAL OVERVIEW AND TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC SCHOOL, ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THE PROJECTS COME IN AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN FOR APPROVAL ARE REQUIRED TO PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE IN SCHOOL IMPACT FEES AND THAT ALONG WITH PROPERTY TAXES IS THE MONEY THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS TO NOT ONLY RUN SCHOOLS BUT CONSTRUCT SCHOOLS. AND SO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND YOU WOULD KNOW MORE THAN I DO THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T -- THE SCHOOL BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUILD ALL THE SCHOOLS IT NEEDS TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S ALREADY HERE. SO I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE SOLUTION THAT'S

AVAILABLE UNDER FLORIDA LAW. >> YES MA'AM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY. I JUST THINK IT'S A MATTER OF HOW THE FUNDING COMES AND I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. IT'S VERY MANY MOVING PARTS BUT I THINK IT'S A PART OF THE SOLUTION AND I GET THE COMPATIBILITY THING BUT THEN I KIND OF DON'T GET IT BECAUSE THERE REALLY ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SCHOOLS AND IT REALLY FUNCTIONS QUITE WELL. I THINK THIS IS A THOUGHTFUL APPLICATION AND I DO INTEND TO SUPPORT IT, THANK YOU.

>> SHOULD I FOLLOW UP ON A QUESTION?

>> I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS. THE STAFF DID COMMENT FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD A CONDITIN TO THIS THAT THIS USE IS LIMITED ONLY TO THE APPLICANT STATED INTENTION IN CASE THE

PROPERTY IS EVER SOLD. >> JUST BY WAY OF BACK AROUND, BEING DELICATE WITH HOW I PUT THIS, THERE HAVE BEEN USES OF THE PROPERTY THAT PROBABLY WERE NOT PALATABLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE COUNTY STAFF IN THE PAST, AND SO , THE COUNTY STAFF ASKED IF THIS APPLICANT WOULD LIMIT SOME OF THOSE USES DO NOT ALLOW THINGS LIKE THAT INVOLVED ANIMALS OR CAMPS OR DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, AND SO WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND PCC, HOPEFULLY, UNTIL WE HAVE THE ENTIRE CHARTER OF USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE OPEN RURAL ZONING CATEGORY AND WE WERE WITH THEM TO PAIR THOSE DOWN, AND THOSE USES WHICH CAN OCCUR BY A MATTER OF RIGHT IN OR ZONING NOW, CANNOT OCCUR ON THIS PROPERTY GOING FORWARD.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR

APPLICATION. >> YES, AND THIS BOARD WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW, EITHER WAY.

>> OKAY. THIS IS SUCH A CONUNDRUM WE HAVE, OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING TO KEEP THEIR SCHOOLS AND YOU ARE FIGHTING TO NOT LET ONE IN. SO DO YOU ALL HAVE PROJECTIONS ON WHERE THESE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO COME FROM, AND MORE -- MY MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.

AND I REALIZE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS IS WALKING DISTANCE IS A MILE AND A HALF, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THIS TRIANGULAR AREA THAT IS KIND OF THE TREATY OAKS AREA. HOW MANY STUDENTS DO YOU EXPECT TO COME FROM THAT AREA?

>> THE MODELS WE RAN SHOWED A SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE TIME WOULD BE THE ATTENDANCE AREA OF THE SCHOOL AND WE USE THAT BY GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT OTHER SCHOOLS AND HOW, WHERE THE STUDENTS LIVE THAT ATTEND THOSE SCHOOLS NOW. THE SCHOOL IS FIRST-COME, FIRST SERVE SO THE SCHOOL CAN'T CONTROL IF THE PERSON NEXT DOOR APPLIES OR THE PERSON DOWN THE STREET APPLIES, IS TO BE FIRST-COME, FIRST SERVE BUT IN OUR PREVIOUS STUDIES, SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE TIME IS THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE

AREA BOUNDARY. >> THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION,

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SCHOOL? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER HANDY BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY -- THE DEMOGRAPHIC WILL TELL US BROADLY HOW MANY APPROXIMATE AGE 5 TO 14 STUDENTS ARE IN THESE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE LOOK AT IS TO LOOK FOR ANY AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T SEEK TO PUT A SCHOOL NEAR THOSE SO WE DID RECOGNIZE THESE WERE NEWER TYPE COMMUNITIES THAT DID CONTAIN FAMILIES AND WERE THE SCHOOL-AGE DEMOGRAPHIC. LOOKING CERTAINLY POTENTIAL FOR WALKERS, BIKERS, AND FOLKS TO ACCESS THE SCHOOL WITHOUT THEIR VEHICLES. WE DID CONTEMPLATE THAT THE SCHOOL ZONES, THE CROSSWALKS AND THE ADDED SIDEWALKS ON BRINKHOFF ROAD . DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. NOT THAT YOU WANT MY ADVICE, BUT IT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOU MIGHT WANT A BETTER ANSWER THAN THAT IF IT CAME UP IN THE OCC. I WOULD THEN ASK YOU, HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED IF THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER? LET'S SAY THAT'S 200 STUDENTS. THAT'S ALMOST A QUARTER OF YOUR POPULATION. THAT'S A HUGE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC. IS THERE WAYS TO GET PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THIS SCHOOL SITE OTHER THAN EVERYBODY HAVING TO MARCH OUT TO BRINKHOFF ROAD AND WALK ALONG BRINKHOFF ROAD, OR HOW CAN WE MAKE THESE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION'S MORE READILY TO BE USED, I GUESS? AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER Y'ALL HAVE STUDIED THAT OR NOT

>> WE HAVE. WE DID LOOK AT IF THERE WAS ANY OPPORTUNITY CONNECTED. THERE IS A CONSERVATION LAND WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN I'M LOOKING AT. THERE IS KIND OF AN L SHAPED WOODEN AREA WHICH INCLUDES A CONSERVATION DISTRICT THAT WOULD TYPICALLY ALLOW A CONNECTION. THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EXPLORED.

>> IF IT'S GOT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON IT, IT'S ONE THING. IF IT'S A WETLAND IT'S A DIFFERENT THING BECAUS THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR A BOARD WALK ACROSS THE WETLAND BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH A CERTAIN CRITERIA IS NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS GOING IN AND BULLDOZING IT AND PUTTING ASPHALT DOWN. SO I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THAT, I THINK, MIGHT HELP TO ALLAY SOME FEARS.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> MY NEXT QUESTION IS, I SUPPOSE FOR YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THE TURN LANES ON THAT PLAN LOOK VERY SHORT TO ME. ARE THOSE ACTUALLY WHAT'S

DESIGNED? >> CERTAINLY THE ONE TO THE EAST, THAT DOES NOT LOOK RIGHT. THIS IS -- THERE WILL BE MORE OF A TRANSITION AREA TO THE EAST OF THAT EASTERNMOST TURN

LANE. >> IT ALMOST LOOKS TO ME LIKE PERHAPS YOU ALMOST NEED A THREE LANE.

>> IT WILL BE A CONTINUOUS THREE LANE SECTION.

>> CONTINUOUS THREE LANES WITH PERHAPS A CONCRETE TURN AND

THOSE MEDIANS. >> AGREED. IT WILL BE A CONTINUOUS THREE LANE SECTION ALL THE WAY FROM ADVENTURING TO EAST OF THE DAYCARE DRIVEWAY AND THEN IT WILL START TO TRANSITION BACK TO TWO LANES EAST OF THE DAYCARE DRIVEWAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR COUNTY ABOUT THAT BUT I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU ALL. SO WHAT DO WE DO IF WE GET IN THERE IN ALL OF YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE AND PROJECTIONS, WHICH ARE VERY COMFORTING TO ME, BY THE WAY? DON'T QUITE PAN OUT AND THE TRAFFIC IS BACKING UP ON THAT

ROAD. >> THERE IS A NUMBER OF OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP THAT. THE SCHOOL RECOGNIZES THAT IF A PARENT CAN'T DROP THEIR STUDENTS OFF IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT. THEY ARE SENSITIVE TO THAT. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS AN ACCEPTABLE LIMIT

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SO THEY'LL MAKE CHANGES. THEY'LL OFFSET THE BELL SCHEDULE SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, SIXTH GRADERS MAY NEED TO CHANGE THAT BY 20 OR 30 MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL DO THE SAME THING WITH THE LOWER GRADES, KINDERGARTEN, FIRST AND SECOND GRADE, THEY MAKE THAT 15 MINUTES EARLIER SO THEY ARE DOING PICKUP, SO THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. THERE IS A NUMBER OF THINGS THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST ALSO WHERE THEY MAY SAY OKAY, LET'S SEND KINDERGARTNERS TO PICK THEM UP AT THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE ADULTS ARE COMING IN EARLY AND THERE IS THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE CONSISTENTLY MEASURED. THE OPERATOR WOULD NOT ACCEPT A CHAOTIC TRAFFIC SITUATION BECAUSE THOSE SCHOOLS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THERE IS A NUMBER OF THINGS. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THINGS I'M NOT THINKING OF BUT IT'S REQUIRED -- AGAIN, THE SCHOOL CANNOT BE SUCCESSFUL AND AS A PARENT, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT IN TRAFFIC FOR TWO HOURS. THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER SCHOOL AND A DIFFERENT OPTION. THERE HAS ONLY SO MUCH A PARENT CAN DO AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE WHERE OPERATIONAL CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE AND THERE IS, IN THIS CASE, A HEADQUARTERS WHERE THEY COME IN AND BE THE LOCAL PRINCIPAL HIRED, LOCAL OPERATIONS STAFF IS HIRED. TRAIN THEM AND TO STAY WITH THEM, TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE SYSTEM, TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE TECHNOLOGIES IN PLACE. THERE'S A SYSTEM THAT DETECTS WHEN THE PARENT COMES ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN THEY GET THE STUDENT READY TO BE QUEUED UP. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE QUEUE LINE AND THE PARENTS IN THE WAITING AREA MATCHES THE CHILDREN, HOW THEY ARE LINED UP FOR SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE SYSTEM VERY SMOOTH. SO THERE IS A LOT OF TRAINING THAT GOES IN, WHICH THE SYSTEM HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL FROM THE ONSET AND THERE IS CONSTANT REVISITING TO SEE IF THERE IS IMPROVEMENTS, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T WORK. THE SCHOOL IS INTERESTED IN THE COUNTY TO MAKE THOSE FIXES BECAUSE IT HAS TO WORK FOR THE

SCHOOL TO WORK. >> SO NOW I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY, IF THAT IS OKAY, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.

AND THE FIRST ONE IS, I ASSUME WHEN THEY COME IN FOR ENGINEERING PLAN REVIEW, THAT THE COUNTY WILL DICTATE BASED ON OUR STANDARDS, WHAT THE TURN LANE, THAT MIDDLE TURNING LANE AND THE RIGHT TURN LANE, WHAT LENGTHS THOSE HAVE TO BE.

>> YES SIR, THAT WOULD BE A CORRECT ASSUMPTION TO MAKE. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER TURN LANES THEY NEED, WHAT EVER IMPROVEMENTS THEY NEED TO MAKE ON THOSE SITE ACCESS POINTS WOULD BE TECHNICAL AND THEY WOULD GET REVIEWED AND YES, IT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH

>> THAT'S JUST BUILT INTO OUR STANDARDS?

>> YES SIR. >>

>> ALSO, THIS APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO LEAVE A BOND WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ARE ANY AFTERSCHOOL OPENING KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, THAT THERE WILL BE A FINANCIAL MECHANISM FOR MAKING THOSE.

>> SO MY LAST RUSHED INTO THE COUNTY IS -- AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS BUT LET'S SUPPOSE THE APPLICANT IS JUST WAY OFF AND PERHAPS THEY'RE NOT BEING VERY COOPERATIVE IN MAKING ADJUSTMENTS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN SOME VERY GOOD TESTIMONY HERE. WHAT DO WE DO AT THAT POINT? IF IT'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL I DON'T THINK THERE IS A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO BECAUSE THE ONUS FOR DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS FALLS BACK ON THE COUNTY. BUT IN THIS CASE WE ARE DEALING WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY. WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT?

>> YOU MEAN FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW?

>> YES, FOR THE CARS JUST FLOODING OUT ONTO BREAKOFF AND BACKING UP AND THE NEIGHBORS CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR AREA AND THE WHOLE THING JUST TURNS INTO A REALLY MAJOR CHALLENGE.

>> YES, THAT'S PART OF WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THIS ADDITIONAL BOND TO HAVE BASICALLY KIND OF A PERIOD OF BURDEN, I GUESS FOR A LACK OF BETTER TERM, FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW OUT THERE. MAKE SURE AS THE SCHOOL DESIGNS ITSELF TO WORK WITH WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE, THAT IT IS IN FACT FUNCTIONING THE WAY WE WANT, IT'S NOT HAVING THESE INTERFERENCES. TYPICALLY IF YOU WENT BY CODING WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS. LIKELY, WE ARE BASING IT OFF OF WHAT'S THERE, WHAT THEY'RE PERMITTING AND WHAT THEY'RE GIVING US FOR INFORMATION. THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH A ROBUST REVIEW BASED OFF OF WHAT TRAFFIC THEY ANTICIPATE TO GENERATE, BASED

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BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY UPFRONT TO BOND JUST IN CASE WE RUN INTO THAT SCENARIO. PRESIDENTS OF THAT IN THE PAST, HELD ONTO IT, MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC WORKS AND WE PUT THAT IN THE SITUATION AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU.

BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. >> BEAR WITH ME. OKAY. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MODIFICATION 202 FOUR-02 BRINKHOFF CHARTER SCHOOL BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR

APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>>

>> WELL I DID ASK SOME QUESTIONS INITIALLY ABOUT PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOLS AND WE HAD A CHARTER SCHOOL CHAMPION HERE SO SOME QUESTIONS I'VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME, I WANTED TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, AND WHY NOT? SO I THINK I WAS INTERESTED IN THE ANSWERS BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS INFLUENCING MY VOTE. MY VOTE IS BASED SOLELY ON WHETHER I THINK IT IS WARRANTED TO CHANGE THE PUD AND WHETHER IT'S WARRANTED TO REZONE FIVE ACRES FROM REYES C BACK TO OPEN RURAL TO ALLOW THE SCHOOL TO BE BUILT THERE. AND I'M ALSO BASING IT ON MY OVERWHELMING CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND THE FACT THAT I FIND THIS SCHOOL TO BE PLACED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO BE INCOMPATIBLE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M BASING MY VOTE ON, JUST TO

[Staff Reports]

MAKE THAT CLEAR. THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES ALL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> YES MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF

[Agency Reports]

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES 4-2. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ON

TO YOUR STOCK REPORT. >> SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO BRING

UP. >> CAN WE WAIT UNTIL AGENCY

REPORTS? >> AGENCY, SORRY, YET.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. THERE IS NO STAFF REPORT.

>> NOW IT'S YOUR TURN. >> I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL BUT I RECEIVED AN EMAIL AT 2:09 A.M.

THIS MORNING FROM THE ETHICS FD MS INFO EMAIL ADDRESS, AND IT ASKED ME, IT SAYS YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS INVITATION TO REGISTER IN THE ELECTRONIC FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE FLORIDA COMMISSION ON ETHICS AND E-FILING. YOUR NAME AND CONTACT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY THE COMMISSION ABOUT YOUR AGENTS COORDINATOR IDENTIFYING YOU AS A PUBLIC OFFICER, PUBLIC EMPLOYEE WITH AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT TO FILE A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND THEN IT WANTS ME TO CLICK A LINK AND PROVIDE ALL SORTS OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION TO THEM. IN THE DAY AND AGE OF SCAMS I QUESTION WHETHER THIS IS VALID, SO DOES THE STAFF KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OR SHOULD I GET WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, WHICH IS WHERE WE NORMALLY FILE OUR FORMS?

>> I AM NOT AWARE OF AN EMAIL.

>> I DIDN'T GET IT. >> I GOT ONE. DON'T CLICK THE

LINK. >> I GOT ONE. YOU GOT ONE. MIND

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MIGHT GO TO JUNK. >> I DIDN'T GET ONE.

>> CHECK YOUR BANK ACCOUNT. >> THERE WAS NO BANK INFORMATION, NO SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, NOTHING, I DIDN'T

PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION. >> OKAY. WE'LL SEE WHAT

HAPPENS. >> AND I GOT A VALIDATION LETTER SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT TAKING PAPER ANYMORE. PAPER APPLICATIONS. WE'LL SEE. SO NOW I'M ON RECORD BUT MAYBE NOT. I ALSO DO HAVE SOME --

>> WE NORMALLY HAVE HEARD BY NOW FROM I GUESS IT'S TERESA OR THE OFFICE OF ELECTIONS SUPERVISION THAT WE HAVE TO FILE THAT FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM BY JULY 1, I BELIEVE IT IS, OR WE'LL BE IN VIOLATION. I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY ANYONE YET SO MAYBE THIS IS REAL AND VALID BUT I DON'T KNOW. Y'ALL DIDN'T RECEIVE IT? YOU DID?

>> I DELETED IT. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> REASON, BECAUSE I DIDN'T FILE THIS, BUT I AM GOING TO CALL THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE.

>> YOU FILL OUT MY FORM ONE THIS YEAR?

>> COPY AND PASTE. >> THE SAME EVERY YEAR.

>> I REALLY THOUGHT IT HAD TO DO WITH THE A HACK, IT WAS

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