Apr 18, 2024 Planning and Zoning Agency

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GOOD WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. SORRY.

YEAH I APOLOGIZE FOR LET US ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> WILL YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT , MR. ELVIS

PIERRE? >> YES. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELATED TO THE AGENCY OF A VIXEN AND GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIR WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. -- SPEAK AGENCY AND DETERMINED -- AFTER TESTIMONY BIT OF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION WITH RESPECT WITHIN THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDING. AND THE NEED TO ENSURE THAT HIS CONVEYED IN THE RECORD.

INCLUDING THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARINGS -- OR WRITTEN STATEMENT PROVIDED TO THE CLERK FOR INCLUSION INTO THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD AGENCY OR COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY IN REVIEW OF APPEAL. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY CONVOCATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON WITH THE ITEMS INCLUDED IN

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 04/02/2024]

[Public Comments]

AVOID PERSONAL CONFLICTS. >> THANK YOU, MR. ELVIS PIERRE. WE HAVE MANY MINUTES FROM APRIL 2, 2024. IS THERE A

MOTION? >> EMOTION.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. IF WE WILL GET TO THE ITEMS ON THE

AGENDA AS THEY OCCUR. >> WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THAT TIME ON THOSE ITEMS. IF YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, FEEL FREE TO COME UP.

CORPS VETERAN. I KNOW THERE IS A VETERAN SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. I WAS LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO TALK TO SINCE I JUST SAW TODAY, IF YOU LOOK OUT FRONT, THE AMERICAN FLAG IS TATTERED. IT SHOULD NOT BE HANGING UP THERE RIGHT NOW. THEY BROUGHT IT DOWN TO HAVE -- TO HALF STAFF. THEY COULD'VE REPLACED IT THEN AND BROUGHT ALL THE WAY DOWN. BRING IT UP TO THE TOP AND THEN BRING IT DOWN TO HALF STAFF. I DO NOT KNOW WHO TO CONTRACTOR. I ASKED AT THE FRONT AND THEY DID NOT KNOW EITHER. MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN REPLACE THAT CYCLE. THANK YOU. SIR? HUNT, LOCATOR STAKES THAT I WANTED TO SAY THE BOARD CONEY COMMISSION, AN INDIVIDUAL FROM THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING CONSERVED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY . HOW MANY GALLONS ARE BEING PUT TO THE SIDE ARE CUT DOWN IN OTHER AREAS. HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING USED. BUT IN THE SAME SENSE, HERE IT IS WHERE 150 HOUSES ARE GETTING BUILT. GETTING

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SAVE WATER, SAVE UTILITIES SO WE CAN BUILD MORE. LOOK AT THE MAPS BEING A PRIVATE -- APPROVED THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. LOOK AT HOW MUCH WATER. WHERE IS THE WATER COMING FROM? HOW MUCH UTILITIES WILL HAVE TO BE PUT IN. SO IS IT REALLY CONSERVING UTILITIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? I BELIEVE THIS YEAR IT IS BEEN, WHAT? 2500 APPROVED? BECAUSE OF THE

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BUT THAT IS HOW IT IS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. HUNT . IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. SEE NONE, WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA.

ONE . THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE DUE TO

[2. MINMOD 2024-03 The Fresh Market Spirits and Wine.]

A FAMILY HEALTH EMERGENCY. >> DOES ANYBODY AND AGENCY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A CONTINUANCE?

>> SO MOVED. >> ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY . ALL

IN FAVOR SAY AYE . >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ON ITEM

NUMBER TWO. >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. I DID A

SITE VISIT . >> I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM BRAD WESTER WHO SAID HE REPRESENTS THIS GROUP BUT COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. ONE OF HIS COLLEAGUES IS GOING TO BE HERE. THAT IS HIM.

>> I RECEIVED -- YET. >>

>> THE SAME WITH ME . >> ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. MICHAEL -- WITH DRIVER MCAFEE HAWTHORNE AND DIEBNOW, PLLC. ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE , JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 33302. ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT . WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A MINOR MODIFICATION TO ADD A COMPLEMENTARY PACKAGE STORE THAT IS GOING TO SELL RETAIL BEER, WINE, AND LIQUOR, AS WELL AS A SMALL BAR COMPONENT FOR ON-SITE CONSUMPTION OF BEER, WINE, AND LIQUOR. THE RETAIL COMPONENT.

SO THE PACKAGE SALES IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY RIGHT . SO THIS IS REALLY SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TOWARD THE SMALL ON-SITE CONSUMPTION THAT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE RETAIL PACKAGE STORE.

JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED. THIS IS IN WHAT WE CALL -- AND IT IS ON A 1A . TO THE NORTH IS THE -- BOULEVARD . AND PINE VALLEY ROAD IS TO THE

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TO BE CLEAR, SO THE FRESH MARKET IS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE SUITE 200. THE PACKAGE STORE GOING TO BE OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE FRESH MARKET IS LOCATED IN SUITE 210 WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS. IN THIS MAP, YOU SEE THE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTH BUT AT THIS RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS. THERE IS ALREADY A RESTAURANT THERE THAT SELLS ON-SITE . IT IS UP POPPIES ITALIANO AND HAS ON-SITE CONSUMPTION ALREADY. THERE IS THIS GAS STATION THAT IS WITHIN THE FRESH MARKET PREMISES. THAT IS A SHOW GAS STATION AND IT SELLS RETAIL PACKAGE BEER AND WINE. JUST OFF SITE TO THE SOUTH , RIGHT ON PALM VALLEY ROAD AND A1A. THAT IS WALGREENS AND THEY ALSO HAVE PACKAGE SALES OF YOUR END LINE.

BEER AND WINE. THE ON-SITE CONSUMPTION AREA, THE BAR WITHIN THAT IS ABOUT 450 SQUARE FEET. WERE TALKING ABOUT 5% OF THE GROSS AREA OF THAT RETAIL PACKAGE STORE WOULD BE FOR THE RETAIL SITE CONSUMPTION. AND THE NUGGET , NOT THE MARKET. FRESH MARKET NEXT-DOOR IS MUCH LARGER .

AGAIN, THEY ARE GOING TO BE OWNED BY FRESH MARKET.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE BUFFERING. TO THE, I GUESS, WHAT WOULD BE THE WEST OF THE SITE, WHERE THE TENNIS COURTS ARE, THAT IS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AS PART OF THIS, THERE IS A WAIVER OF MINIMUM DISTANCE BECAUSE OF IT ABUTTING THE SCHOOL.

NOW THIS, THE LANDSCAPING AND FENCING THAT IS POINTED OUT IN THE SLIDE IS ACTUALLY THE SUBJECT TO A CONDITION WHEN THIS COMMERCIAL CENTER WAS APPROVED. SO THIS ADDITIONAL OFFERING IS BASICALLY HAVING TO FILL THAT CONDITION. THAT WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED. THE CLOSEST FACILITY ON THE SITE IS ACTUALLY , IT IS REALLY HARD TO SEE. IT IS THIS LITTLE AREA RIGHT HERE. THAT IS A MAINTENANCE FACILITY. THIS DRIVE IS REALLY JUST USED FOR MAINTENANCE AND THERE IS A GARBAGE DUMPSTER RIGHT HERE.

AND IS REALLY, THE MAIN SITE AND WHAT IT IS USED FOR IS MUCH FARTHER AWAY FROM THE LOCATION THAN WHAT MIGHT APPEAR ON THE MAP. ALSO, I WILL ADD THE ARE USE, THE ON-SITE CONSUMPTION WILL BE LOCATED TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE STORE VERY CLOSE TO THE PARKING LOT. THERE IS NO DIRECT HIS DISABILITY TO BOLLS . YOU HAVE TO TURN LEFT, DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, AND THEN TURN LEFT AGAIN TO THE SITE.

THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURAL FLOOR PLAN. TO THE TOP RIGHT OF THE SCREEN, THAT IS WHERE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE PACKAGE STORE WOULD BE.

AND IF YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, THAT IS WHERE THE ON-SITE CONSUMPTION AREA WOULD BE.

HERE, AGAIN, IT IS NOT JUST FOR ON-SITE CONSUMPTION.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE SELLING COFFEE AS WELL, CAPPUCCINO.

THEY WILL ALSO SERVE AND SELL TO HE AND OTHER SMALL BITES TO PAIR WITH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OR COFFEE. WE SEE THIS IS A PROVEN CONCEPT WITH THE TARGET. IN EVERY SINGLE TARGET THERE IS A STARBUCKS PEOPLE LIKE TO ENJOY THEIR COFFEE WHILE SHOPPING.

THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY EXPECT THE INSIDE OF THE PACKAGE STORE TO LOOK LIKE. HERE IS THE ENTRY AND CHECK OUT CONCEPTS.

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QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> HELLO. I DID A SITE VISIT AFTER TODAY. AND I NOTED A SCHOOL TO THE -- I WAS ABLE TO WALK ONTO THE CAMPUS OF BOLLES SCHOOL IN LESS THAN SIX MINUTES. BUT THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE ANYWAY. I DO NOT KNOW WHY THAT WAS, WHY I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT THERE WERE CHILDREN RIGHT THERE. WITHIN SIX MINUTES, I COULD BE AROUND CHILDREN. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL FLAVOR WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST PUT INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THIS ONE SEEMS TO COME UP A LOT. I GUESS I AM A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT 5%. YOU NEED A LITTLE BAR INSIDE THE COFFEE SHOP AND LIQUOR STORE? I DO NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME.

I REALLY, WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR WAIVERS OVER THIS CODE. AND THERE IS A REASON IT IS IN OUR CODE AND IT IS THERE . IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CHANGE, MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN PETITION FOR. ESSENTIALLY, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SMALL BAR TO BE WITHIN A LIQUOR STORE.

YOU CAN GO AND DRINK AND LEAVE AND WHATEVER. AND THEN WITHIN A SIX MINUTE WALK ONTO A CAMPUS. MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER IF YOU ARE SLOW. WHERE CHILDREN ARE. SO IT JUST DID NOT SEEM CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I READ.

IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> TO THE CHAIR, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE AND WALK OR DRIVE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL CENTER. WALKED ON THE SIDEWALK. TURN LEFT INTO THE BOLLES SCHOOL PREMISES. THERE IS PROXIMITY. I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE PUD, ACTUALLY IN THE ORDINANCE CODE , AND EXEMPTS RESTAURANTS . AS LONG AS THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SEATS AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SIZE. THERE COULD BE ON-SITE CONSUMPTION AS LONG AS IT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESTAURANT. AND TO BE LOCATED IN THE SAME AREA AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE SIZE CRITERIA. LIKEWISE, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH IS POPPY'S ITALIANO WHERE THERE IS ON-SITE CONSUMPTION.

AGAIN, WE CHECKED IN WITH THE HEADMASTER. HE HAD NO CONCERNS. THANK YOU.

>> WHAT ARE , WHAT WOULD BE THE HOURS OF OPERATION?

>> TO THE CHAIR, IT IS GOING TO BE FROM 8:00 A.M. UNTIL 9:00 P.M. CURRENTLY NOT JUST THE FRESH MARKET , CURRENTLY THEIR

OPERATING HOURS. >> YOU CANNOT ACCESS THE TASTING ROOM, BARROOM, WHATEVER, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE LIQUOR STORE? IT CANNOT BE OPERATING AT SEPARATE

HOURS? >> TO THE CHAIR, CORRECT.

>> WOULD THERE BE AN ACCESS THROUGH FRESH MARKET INTO IT? OR IT IS ITS OWN UNIT , I GUESS?

>> IT WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.

>> THERE IS NO SEPARATE ENTRANCE FOR THAT, THROUGH THE

RETAIL SPOT? >> YEAH, CORRECT. IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THE BAR IS TO ENTER THROUGH THE RETAIL STORE. THERE IS ONLY ONE

ENTRANCE. YES, SIR. CLAIRE MAX >> I AM CONCERNED THAT IT

CANNOT STAY OPEN PAST -- >> YES, SIR.

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>> JUST ONE THING I NOTED WHEN I WAS THERE. WHEN I WENT INTO THE STORE, I NOTICED THERE IS A LOT OF WINE AND BEER YOU SELL IN THE STORE BUT WILL NOT STILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE STORE? OR WILL IT BE OVER TO THE LIQUOR SIDE OF THE STORE?

>> TO THE STORE. I AM NOT SURE OF THAT QUESTION. I AM SORRY.

>> OKAY.

INAUDIBLE ] HAVE YOU EVER BEEN THERE? THIS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'LL BE MORE LIKE WHAT IS IN -- SMALL STORE . WHERE YOU CAN PURCHASE WINE, COFFEE. IT IS VERY TINY. IT IS NOT, I WOULD NOT CALL IT -- BUT MAYBE IF YOU ARE GOING SHOPPING OR HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO SHOPPING WITH YOU. THAT SORT OF THING. I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR PERCEPTION MIGHT BE THAT IS HALF OF THE BAR.

I WOULD NOT THINK OF IT AS THAT. IT IS.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I DID NOT KNOW THAT KID JUST READING THIS AND LOOKING AT THIS. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING A BAR RIGHT IN NEXT TO A SCHOOL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

OKAY, SEEING NONE, IS THERE BUDDY IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK

ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? >> MEAGAN PERKINS?

>> YES MAXIMA, TO CLARIFY FOR MR. HENRY GREEN, THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS IN THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME IN WHICH THEY CAN BE OPEN TO OPERATE.

EVEN THOUGH THEY, I GUESS LOGISTICALLY, THEY CANNOT BE OPEN WHEN THE STORE IS NOT OPEN, THERE IS NO LIMITATIONS UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS.

HUNT? YOU ARE MOVING.

>> THERE WE GO. THANKS. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNTER AND LET'S GET DOWN TO THE FACTS, OKAY? PAGE SIX OF THE AGENDA, IT CLEARLY STATES , LB C-SECTION 203 2 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PROVIDED IN PART. WHAT THAT IS IS NOT IN FULL, OKAY? IT SAYS CHURCH WERE SCHOOL, NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN AN UNACCOMPANIED AREA IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHALL MAINTAIN A PLACE OF BUSINESS WITHIN 1000 FEET OF AN ESTABLISHED SCHOOL WITH OR WITHOUT , OR WITH 1000 FEET ESTABLISHED FROM A CHURCH. LOCATED ON UNINCORPORATED OR INCORPORATED AREAS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IN CASE OF A CHURCH, THE DISTANCE SHALL BE MEASURED FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE WITHIN , OR WITHOUT REGARD OF TRAVEL.

NOW THAT IS THE END PART, OKAY? I WILL GO AHEAD AND FINISH IT OFF FOR YOU.

THE TRAVEL AND IN CASE OF THE SCHOOL, THE NEAREST POINT OF THE PROPERTY GROUNDS IS USED AS PART OF THE SCHOOL FACILITIES AS MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE PLACE THE BUSINESS WITHOUT REGARD OF TRAVEL. WITHOUT REGARD OF TRAVEL . A STRAIGHT LINE. HARD LIQUOR IS A PACKAGE STORE. HARD LIQUOR PACKAGE STORE. OKAY? HERE WE GO. CAN I GET THIS OVER HERE, PLEASE? AGENDA PAGE EIGHT. IT IS SHOWING RIGHT EAR . WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS FALSELY SHOWING AT US FROM THE FRONT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY LINE. INCORRECT. PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE WITHOUT REGARD TO DISTANCE. STRAIGHT. IF THAT PROPERTY LINE BACKS UP TO THE AYE AND PROPERTY LINE , WHAT IS THE AGENDA? IS IT FIVE FEET? 10 FEET? OKAY. WHAT THIS IS IS IT ASSIMILATES THE DEBACLE OF THE ABC LIQUOR STORE OVER THERE OFF -- OKAY. SO IF THE THIS GENTLEMAN DOES NOT WANT TO PUT OUT IT IS A PACKAGE STORE, YES , HARD LIQUOR IS BEING SOLD.

YOU DO NOT GO TO THE WALGREENS OR ALL THE OTHER LITTLE FACILITIES AROUND THERE. IF IT IS A RESTAURANT, YES, YOU CONSUME IT ON SITE THERE. THIS IS A PACKAGE STORE. YOU PUT THE

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>> TALK -- I WOULD MAKE TO MAKE A PERSONAL REQUEST. CAN WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE AREAS OF FRESH MARKET OVER AND --,

PLEASE? >> YOU DO NOT WANT ANOTHER PUBLIX? WITHIN PROXIMITY OF EACH OTHER. -- IS 1000 FEET FROM MILL CREEK SCHOOL TO THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING. 1000 FEET. MY CONCERN HERE IS WHAT THEY PLAN ON DOING IS PLANT 100 FEET WHERE THE GAS STATION IS. IT IS OVER 800 FEET FROM THE SCHOOL. A CONCERN ABOUT SERVING ALCOHOL PERIOD THAT CLOSE TO SCHOOL. I WOULD RECOMMEND IT BE DENIED. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK IN ITEM NUMBER TWO? DRIVE. THIS MEGASTORE IS GOING TO BE OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE FRESH MARKET. IT IS A VERY HIGH-QUALITY BRANDING. IS GOING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE GROCERY STORE AND IT WILL BE COMPLEMENTARY. THIS BAR USES REALLY JUST AN ACCESSORY OPTION TO REALLY JUST OFFER ANOTHER OPTION FOR CONSUMERS WHILE THEY ARE IN THE STORES. THANK YOU.

>> @ DID YOU SAY THERE WAS ALSO A RESTAURANT THAT SERVED ALCOHOL NORTH AND EAST? IT IS CALLED THE PARADISE CENTER. IT IS JUST NORTH OF -- THAT IS A POPPIES ITALIANO. YES. THAT SERVES ON-SITE HERE

AND WHINE. >> OKAY. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. HUNT AND MR. LOVETT IN, I RESPECT WHAT THEY SAY. I HAVE VOTED FOR OTHER ITEMS OF THIS GENERAL NATURE. I DID VOTE AGAINST THE ABC LIQUOR BECAUSE OF WHAT MR. -- I TOLD ABOUT CHILDREN WALKING OVER THERE TO ATTEND CLASSES AT A CHURCH RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THE FACT THAT THESE APPLICANTS HAVE CHECKED WITH THE BOLLES SCHOOL ACADEMY , AND THE HEADMASTER HAS NO ISSUES WITH THIS, I WILL PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT. WE HAVE DISCRETION WITHIN THE -- TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF USE. I UNDERSND CONCERNS AND THEY ARE

APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. >> YES, THIS WAS ONE APPLICANT IS VOTING TO ALLOW CONDITION RESTRICTING THE HOURS OF THE GROCERY STORE.

>> THANK YOU. >>

>> MOTION TO APPROVE MINMOD 2024-03 THE FRESH MARKET SPIRITS AND WINE.

THE BAR AREA WOULD BE -- >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR

APPROVAL. A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? MADE TO THAT. AND I ALSO THINK THAT AS STATED BEFORE, THE 1000 FEET IS PROBABLY ANTIQUATED AT THIS POINT. -- REQUEST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. IF NOT APPROVED BY US THAN BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THAT MAY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. 1000 FEET. IS THAT REALLY A VALID DISTANCE? KEEPING CHILDREN AWAY FROM ALCOHOL? I DON'T KNOW. WE GET SO MANY REQUESTS, IT IS REALLY HARD FOR A BUSINESS STORE TO OPEN UP AND NOT BE PERHAPS WITHIN 1000

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>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? REGISTER YOUR VOTE. THAT

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>> I DID WANT TO REVOTE.

>> CAN YOU RESET THAT, PLEASE? MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> YOU THINK I WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE YES AND

THE NOCO BUTTON. >> THAT ITEM PASSES. ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, IS THERE ANY AGENCY MEMBER THAT WISHES TO

SPEAK? >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. I HAD A COUPLE OF PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH

WITH MR. AND MRS. MORROW. >> MR. MORROW?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM THE HOMEOWNER AND APPLICANT OF 7520 EAST WESTCHESTER DRIVE IN ST. JOHNS . I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR AND THE ENTIRE STAFF. I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROCESS. I STILL DO NOT WHAT I AM DOING. BUT I APPRECIATE THE FORBEARANCE YOU BUT I TWO GUESTS HERE WITH ME TODAY. MY WIFE, SUE, AND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW. THEY WILL BE THE MAJOR BENEFICIARIES OF THE PROPOSAL TODAY IN A POSITIVE WAY. THE CATALYST FOR ME STANDING BEFORE YOU TODAY IS REALLY ABOUT A POOL AND A DECK THAT SURROUNDS THE POOL. IT IS DRIVEN BY FAMILY REASONS. RECENTLY, WE BECAME GRANDPARENTS. HE THOUGHT THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN BUT IT DID.

AND OUR HOME IS GOING TO BECOME A CENTERPIECE FOR OUR FAMILY. WE ARE TRYING TO GET IT SET UP FOR THE FUTURE AND TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY. I HAVE A DAUGHTER MOVING BACK, CLOSING IN A HOME IN THE MONTH OF JUNE. SHE IS MOVING BACK FROM AUSTIN WITH THE GRANDBABY. THAT IS REALLY THE ESSENCE OF THE DRIVER FOR THE PROPOSAL TODAY.

IT IS A MINMOD 24 -- 2024-04. AN ENCLOSED WITH THE DECK BUT WE HAVE THE ISR INDICATION OF 45% SO PHASE TWO. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE BOARD'S PERMISSION TO HAVE A 50% ISR INSTEAD OF 45% BUT I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE 50% TO 26 IS ALLOWED IN PHASE ONE . I WILL TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT THAT LATER. IN TERMS OF LOCATION, WITH THE EXTREME NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE COUNTY, WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE ] THAT WE ALMOST BACK RIGHT UP TO THE CREEK. THE BACK OF OUR HOME GOES NEXT UP TO BISHOP ESTATES AND IS SEPARATED BY A PRESERVE . YOU CANNOT REALLY SEE THE HOMES BEHIND OUR HOUSE.

ALTHOUGH DRAINAGE REALLY FROM THE AREA EVENTUALLY FINDS ITS WAY INTO THE RIVER. THE AERIAL VIEW OF OUR HOME. RIGHT HERE.

YOU CAN SEE IS UP ESTATES REALLY CLEARLY BEHIND THE HOME FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS TO POINT OUT. I WILL TALK TO THESE A BIT LATER. OH -- SORRY. IF YOU LOOK IMMEDIATELY TO THE SIDE OF OUR HOME, ONE UNIQUE ASPECT I WILL TALK TO YOU LATER IS WE HAVE A VERY LARGE EASEMENT AREA. THAT ALLOWS DRAINAGE.

THIS IS FROM THE RETENTION POND THROUGH THIS AREA BACK INTO THE CREEK. AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS IF YOU LOOK ALONG THE WHOLE OF BISHOP ESTATES ON THE SIDE OF YOUR DRIVING DOWN PAST OUR HOUSE, IT IS ALL DRAINAGE EASEMENT. I'VE NEVER SEEN A DROP OF WATER. MOVING WATER DOWN THE ROADWAY IN CASE IT WAS IN SOME SORT OF A SEVERE RAIN.

BUT THE PICTURE IN FRONT OF OUR HOME. PURCHASED IN 2017. WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE WHEN IT WAS RENDERED BUT ASSUMING AT THE TIME WE COULD BUILD THE POOL WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOME.

HERE YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN. WHAT WE DID HERE IS SUPERIMPOSE THE DESIGN OF THE POOL ON THE BACK OF THE HOME. I WILL GET INTO MORE DETAIL IN A MINUTE. YOU CAN SEE IT IS UP PLAIN-VANILLA DESIGN. IT COMES STRAIGHT OFF THE BACK OF THE HOME. WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS TO SAY, HEY, ARE YOU GETTING INTO EASEMENT AREA? ARE YOU GETTING INTO ANY SETBACKS? I CAN ASSURE THE BOARD WE ARE NOT. THIS IS NOT IN VIOLATION OF ANY DANCING EASEMENTS . EVEN I SHOWED YOU ON THE LEFT SIDE IS ALL WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE PROPERTY LINES FROM MY STANDPOINT. HERE IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE POOL AREA. AGAIN, IT IS RECTANGULAR. THE POOL IS A PRETTY STANDARD SIZE. 15 BY 28. THE DECKING AREA IS

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THESE BEAUTIFUL SKETCHES, BUT AT LEAST SOME 3-D RENDERINGS OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. AGAIN, COME STRAIGHT BACK FROM THE HOUSE WITH ENCLOSURE. YOU SEE THE SUMMER KITCHEN ON THE RIGHT AND THE POOL IN THE CENTER. AERIAL VIEWS STRAIGHT DOWN. THE ROOF AREA WOULD BE OVER WITH THE SUMMER KITCHEN WOULD BE.

THAT IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THE SUMMER KITCHEN WOULD LOOK LIKE THERE. THE WHITE THING ON THE RIGHT IS KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER FOR SOME KIND OF -- WE WOULD HAVE.

>> HERE IS THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING DOING. NUMBER ONE. IT IS ADJACENT TO THE PHASE ONE PD. THEY HAVE A 50% ISR THAT IT MAY BE A TIMING THING. WHY DOES PHASE ONE HAVE 50 AND 45? WE LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT HYPOTHESES THAT NOT FIGURED OUT FOR CERTAIN BUT IS PROBABLY DRIVEN MORE BY TIMING OF APPROVAL AND SO FORTH OF WHAT WAS DONE. I LOOK AT SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STAFF. IF WERE GOING TO DO SOME BENCHMARKING, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS? SOME HAVE ISR THAT ARE HIGHER THAN 45% OR 50%. THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN IS A 70% AND 26 FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. AND WE HAVE EXCELLENT PERMEABILITY AND WATER MANAGEMENT SURROUNDING. I WILL GET MORE INTO THAT AS TO WHY WE THINK SO IN A MOMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE AERIAL MAP. THERE IS GREAT FRONTAGE, RIGHT? SO THE LOT SIZES. WE HAVE ONE THAT IS 125 FEET NEAR THE LOTS ARE LARGE WITH LOTS OF TREES. IT IS NOT CONSTRAINED OR CONSTRICTED IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, I CHECKED WITH THE STAFF AND DID NOT SEE ANYBODY COMMENT ON THIS TRADE CLICK, IT WOULD BE HARD TO SEE THIS PROJECT FROM THE STREET. IT IS TUCKED IN RIGHT BEHIND THE HOME. WE HAVE FOLIAGE AROUND TWO SIDES OF IT. THERE'S ONLY ONE SITE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE -- AND THIS REALLY INTERESTING POINT HERE. THIS PARCEL ANALYSIS. THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU. WHEN YOU LINE THESE TWO PARCELS UP TOGETHER, 82 TYPE. OURS IS THE TYPE TWO ON THE BOTTOM. NOTICE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR BOTH. THEY ARE BOTH 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE LOT BUILDING COVERAGE OF 35%. BUT THE IMPERVIOUS RATIO FOR THE SMALLER MINIMUM WITH. FOR ME WITH THE LARGER FRONTAGE IS ONLY 45% LOOK AT THIS BE DRIVEN BY? THE LEAD HYPOTHESIS IS IT IS MAYBE A MATTER OF HOW THINGS WERE UPDATED WITH TIMING ESTIMATE SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE APPROVED AS TO WHY IT WAS NOT 50.

REALLY NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY INTERESTING EXAMPLE IN COMPARING THESE TWO THINGS HERE. FINALLY, IN TERMS OF THE HARDSHIP QUESTION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. WITH THIS VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OR INTENT OF THE CODE? WE THINK NO. FOUND SEVERAL EXAMPLES WHERE MAYBE ISR COULD BE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS ONE. I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING IN THEIR 70% . WE FOUND THAT TO BE COMMON.

SO A COUPLE OF UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THE LOT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT THIS IS THE GROUND VIEW OF THE THING I SHOWED YOU FROM THE AERIAL VIEW ON THE LEFT. THERE ARE TWO EASEMENTS. MY NEIGHBORS HOUSES 40 FEET -17 1/2. IT IS CLOSE TO 60 FEET OF UNPERTURBED, NEVER BE BUILT ON, PROBABLE WATER AREA FOR DRAINAGE. I TRIED TO TAKE A GOOD PICTURE. I APOLOGIZE THAT IT IS NOT REALLY HIGH-QUALITY. THE ONE OF THE RAGES OVER THE FENCE. THAT IS A PICTURE OF THAT DRAINAGE DITCH I SHOWED YOU FROM THE ESTATE STRIPER THAT IS ALL INAUDIBLE ] EVER SINCE WE LIVED THERE IN 2017, WE HAVE NEVER REALLY SEEN A DROP. SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT SAY DIFFERENTLY. IT IS REALLY , IT IS BEEN GREAT FROM A WATER MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT. ALTERNATIVES. ONE THING I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD HERE TODAY. THIS HAS BEEN A TWO YEAR ODYSSEY FOR ME TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE FIRST BUILDER WE HIRED FOR THIS PROJECT TWO YEARS AGO GAVE ME A THUMBS-UP AND HE SAID EVERYTHING IS GOOD TO GO. OKAY? YOU READY TO BUILD YOUR POOL AND EVERYTHING IS GREAT. WE HAD A RUN-IN WITH THE

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>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> BEING NONE, IS THERE MONEY -- ANYBODY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR MODIFICATION 2024-04 APPROVED

[4. REZ 2023-24 Contentment Park.]

>> THE MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> A SECOND BY MR. HENRY GREEN. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES , 5-1. THANK YOU. ONTO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. MS. TAYLOR. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO

SPEAK? >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. I DID A SITE VISIT OF THE AREA . I CANNOT GET ONTO THE SITE BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF LOCKED IN. IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.

BUT WHEN I DID DRIVE BY THE PROPERTY LAST FRIDAY, I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. OF COURSE, I COULD NOT GO ONTO THE PROPERTY.

KAREN TAYLOR, 77 -- STREET. THE OWNER IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE BUT HIS RIGHT-HAND MAN OR RIGHT-HAND WOMAN IS WITH ME.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP AND ANSWER THEM.

THIS IS FOR CONTENTMENT PARK REZONING. THIS IS FROM OPEN ROLLBACK TO COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST. AND BASICALLY, IT IS ALL PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THING AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.

THE LOCATION, IT IS UP TO SOUTHWEST OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AT THE INTERSTATE I-95. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT IN THERE BUT IT RELATES TO 75 AND -- DRIVE.

A LITTLE CLOSER, IT SHOWS YOU THE USES THAT ARE AROUND IT.

YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE OLD FLEA MARKET SITE BUT THAT IS MARKETPLACE. AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH IS THE NATIONAL GUARD ARMORY. UP IN HERE. THERE IS A RETENTION POND HERE. THIS IS PART OF THE OLD FLEA MARKET AREA THAT IS THE CAMPGROUND THAT IS CONTINUING TO BE DEVELOPED.

ALL DOWN AND HERE WHERE COMES IN. THERE IS A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND A CIRCLE K, DUNKIN' DONUTS. AND ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS 207 , THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. CLOSE UP. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE 3.7 ACRES. THE THREE

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THERE IS ALSO ACCESS, DIRECT ACCESS FOR THIS PIECE. AND I WILL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES. THAT IS CLOSED OFF BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ANY ACTIVITY BACK IN THERE AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS IN A MIXED-USE AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND USE IN THE AREA. THE INTERSECTION. YOU ALSO HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL , THE OFFICE, THE PUBLIC GOOD YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL THAT COMES OFF THE ROAD IN THAT SITE , PRIMARILY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE INTERSTATE. BUSINESS COMMERCE. FOR ZONING, THERE IS A LOT OF CHT WHICH IS KIND OF DIFFICULT. THAT IS WHAT CHT WAS DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WAS FOR. IT IS FOR HIGHLY TOURIST TYPE USES. AND THE ARMORY IS A PUD FOR THAT PARTICULAR . AND THE OPEN ROLLBACK IS PER THE D.O.T. PROPERTY PLUS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION RIGHT HERE.

AGAIN, TO GO BACK TO SHOW THOSE TWO FRONT LINES AND THE RELATIONSHIP A LITTLE CLOSER. YOU CAN SEE THOSE ACCESS POINTS. THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THIS SITE. THIS IS PRIMARILY PLANED. THERE ARE SOME OTHER TYPES OF TREES, NOT VERY LARGE, EXCEPT AROUND THE EDGES. THAT IS GREAT FOR US BECAUSE WE CAN USE THAT . APPLICANT IS VERY INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THAT . WITH ANY TREES THEY MIGHT FIND. THERE IS NOTHING INAUDIBLE ] AGAIN, IT IS KINDA BETWEEN THAT MARKETPLACE DRIVE, RESORT WAY, NATIONAL GUARD ARMORY. IT DOES NOT REALLY HAVE FRONTAGE BUT IT WILL RELY ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE OTHER TWO PARCELS.

IS COMBINED FOR THE SAME TYPE OF USES. AND THE CHT ZONING WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE THE SAME TYPE OF USES. YOU KNOW, AS WE RUN INTO THINGS , EVEN RETENTION ON THIS SITE. IT HAS TO BE ZONED THE SAME AS THE TWO SITES IN FRONT OF IT. THE PRIMARY ACCESS WILL BE FROM THE SITE PARCELS THAT SHARE A DRIVE WITH DUNKIN' DONUTS. AND THEN WE CAN GET TO THE MARKETPLACE LIGHT THROUGH THAT AS WELL. THERE IS A ROADWAY BY DUNKIN' DONUTS AND WENDY'S. SO THE PRELIMINARY PLANS ARE FOR TWO RESTAURANTS AND THE TWO FRONT PARCELS ALONG THE SAME KIND OF WORK SPACE BETWEEN THEM. THEY'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE THIRD . PROBABLY A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. THIS IDEA OF BALLPARK CONCEPT WITH THE CENTRAL AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE OUTSIDE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THIS PARCEL WOULD HAVE PROBABLY THE STORM WATER FOR THE WHOLE SITE. AS I SAID, THE ACCESS. THE FUTURE LAND USE. MIXED-USE. IT HAS THE COMMERCIAL TO IT. PRIMARY MIXED-USE. ZONING . LOTS OF CHT AS WELL. AND PUD FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. THE ALLOWABLE USE CATEGORIES UNDER COMMERCIAL TOURIST ZONING FOR RESIDENTIAL IS AN ACCESSORY, NEIGHBORHOOD, BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL , AND NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC SERVICE. YOU DO NOT GET INTO ANY INTENSE THINGS LIKE CI OR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES.

I JUST HAVE THESE. IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM ? I WILL KIND OF PUT THEM IN. THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN . KIND OF SHOWS THIS PROPERTY AS AN EXTENSION ON THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES. PROBABLY THE RETENTION TOWARD THE BACK OF THE SITE. AND THEN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WHICH IS PLANNED FOR TWO RESTAURANTS. THIS AREA BETWEEN THEM FOR

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JUST FROM HERE, KIND OF LOOKING FROM THAT TO THE SITE AND SHOWING YOU THE INTERSECTION. THAT IS THE INTERSECTION FOR WORKPLACE DRIVE AND 207. THAT IS THE ENTRANCE WHERE WE STARTED. COMING IN FOR THE DUNKIN' DONUTS. THIS IS KIND OF IF YOU GO AROUND THE DUNKIN' DONUTS AND COME OUT.

THAT IS THE BACK ENTRANCE.

THAT GOES TO RESORT WAY. THAT IS RESORT WAY. YOU CAN SEE RESORT WAY LEADS TO THE MARKETPLACE DRIVE IN THE INTERSECTION THAT IS SIGNALIZED BEHIND THERE . IF YOU TURN AROUND AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY, LAUGHTER MARK YOU LOOK NORTH. THAT IS THE SITE TO THE RIGHT. THIS AREA IN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE CAMPGROUND BACK IN HERE ALWAYS. TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF SOME OF THE VEGETATION THAT THERE IS A MIXTURE OF SOME PINE TREES AND HARDWOOD TREES. KIND OF ALONG FROM THE CAMPGROUND LOOKING BACK. YOU SEE TO THE SOUTH, BASICALLY. THAT IS THE D.O.T. RETENTION POND. THAT IS NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY. THIS BACKS UP TO THAT RETENTION POND. YOU CAN SEE THE ARMORY PEEKING THROUGH.

THIS IS THE INTERSECTION SO COMING IN FROM RESORT WAY.

THE ADJACENT USES ARE COMPATIBLE. THIS CHANGE TO THE 3.87 ACRES TO COMBINE IT WITH THE OTHERS FOR INTERRELATED USES IS A SIMILAR USE. THE SAME INTENSITY OF WHAT IS AROUND IT. LIKE I SAID, CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT FOR MIXED-USE AREAS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STATE INTERCHANGES.

THE SITES COMBINED ALSO PUT EVERYTHING. STORM WATER, SEWER AND WATER, ACCESS, ALL OF THAT INTO KIND OF ONE NICE PACKAGE.

>> SO IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC AND THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE FEEL IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT PARCELS. PROVIDING THE PRIMARY ACCESS. IT IS AND THE SURROUNDING AREA AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE USES. ANNA PROVIDES THE FACILITIES THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE TRAVELING COMMUNITY. YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT FAR AWAY. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> YES. IS THE RESTAURANT IN

>> YES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

INAUDIBLE ] >> YES ? NO? MAYBE? ] NOT IN THIS LOCATION. MIGHT BENEFIT FROM IT . ] CAUTION, LET'S NOT VOTE ON THIS ITEM.

>> OKAY.

CLARIFICATION. >>

>> WELL, WHEN I FIRST GOT THE AGENDA PACKET LAST WEEK, I DID NOT HAVE REALLY ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS UNTIL I STARTED READING MORE DETAILS. I AM REALISTIC AND I KNOW RIGHT

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>> I'M CONCERNED THERE IS NO ENVIRONMENTAL DATA WHATSOEVER.

YOU HAVE STATED AND THERE, YOU CHANGE THE WORDING A LITTLE BIT IN YOUR SLIDE TODAY FROM WHAT WAS IN OUR ADVOCATION. SAYS THE SITE IS TREATED WITH A MIXTURE OF PLANT AND -- TREES. SO THAT IS THE ONLY ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION WE HAVE. DO WE HAVE ANY -- AN KNOW, WE HAVE A TREE SURVEY AS WELL. THAT IS WHAT I

WAS USING TODAY. >> I DID NOT SEE IT .

>> I AM SORRY I DID NOT INCLUDE IT OR BRING IT TODAY. THE TREE SURVEY IS WHERE WE FOUND OUT ANY OF THE SIGNIFICANT HARDWOODS, YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING THEM. THEY'RE KIND OF AROUND THE SITE. IT IS NOT THAT OLD. SO MOST OF THE TREES, THEY DID NOT FIND ANY OVER 18 INCHES IN DIAMETER OR WHATEVER. SO -- IS THE KIND OF PERSON, IF HE FINDS IT, HE MUST BE ABLE TO USE IT IF POSSIBLE. THIS IS IN THE LOW SIDE. MOST OF THE SITES YOU SEE, YOU SEE ALL OF THIS BIG FILLET TO IT.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE ADJACENT SITES, THEY ARE NOT BUILT HIGH. SO HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF THOSE FOR THIS IS PART OF THE IDEA OF THE

>> THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT SHOWS NO TREES OR GREEN

SPACE. NOTHING. >> NO, WE DID NOT SHOW LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING. HE IS KIND OF WORKING AROUND HOW HE WANTS TO DO THAT. ADJUSTING THINGS FOR THAT IS WHY WE GOT THE TREE SURVEY. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THE TREE SURVEY, THINGS

CAN GET ADJUSTED. >> YOU HAVE THE -- AN APPLICATION SHOWED

>> YEAH. >> AND SO THAT IS A FACULTY AND REFERENCE OF A TRUE INDICATOR.

>> HE HAD SOMEBODY LOOK AT IT. >> I AM GLAD YOU STATED THAT.

THERE IS NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER IN THE APPLICATION.

>> HE DID GET SOME -- >> THE AERIAL. IT IS NOTHING LIKE -- THE GRASS. THE AERIAL.

IT MIGHT BE SMALLER AERIAL AND WETLANDS IN THERE. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THERE WAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION WHATSOEVER. CC SURVEY. IT IS PROBABLY TOO LOW FOR TORTOISES.

NOT IN THE OPERATING SERVICES WITH TORTOISES. MIGRATORY BIRDS THAT MIGHT USE THIS SITE. LIKE I SAID. I AM REALISTIC. I KNOW THIS WILL BE GONE AT SOME POINT AND BE DEVELOPED. BUT IF I COULD SEE SOME KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT.

AND ESPECIALLY WHEN I SUBMITTED IT, WORKING ON THAT AND WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERS AS WELL.

JUST GOT SOME OF THAT NEW INFORMATION. I SHOULD'VE BROUGHT -- I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEND IT TO YOU.

>> WELL, I HAVE GOT TO VOTE TODAY. I HAVE TO VOTE TODAY.

>> YOU STATED, WHILE I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION AND I SAW THE MAP. I DO NOT SEE THE LAST NAME, BUT IT WAS -- SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I FIGURE THAT WILL GO THERE AND I LIKE HIM. I EAT

FRIED CHICKEN. >> ACTUALLY, THAT IS NOT WHAT HE IS THINKING HERE. HE ALSO DOES THE AND THEN HE HAS ANOTHER PARTNER THAT WANTS TO DO A ] NO, THOSE ARE THE TWO. THAT IS WHY I AM SAYING THEY ARE NOT QUITE SURE. HE IS NOT GOING TO DO THE FAST FOOD KIND OF THING. HE HAS DONE THAT, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU SEE. HE HAS THE NEW MELLOW MUSHROOM THERE.

>> YOU GET WITH THOSE COMPANIES AND YOU END UP, YOU KNOW?

>> I AM SURE IT WILL BE A FINE DEVELOPMENT. I CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. YOU SAY HE INTENDS TO, I KNOW COMMERCIAL IS MORE VALUABLE THAN RESIDENTIAL. SO WILL PROBABLY NOT -- AN KNOW. WE HAVE OFFERED TO WAIVE IT. THAT IS BECOME A TRICKY THING TO DO THAT? YOU MAKE IT A CONDITION

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT >> I DO NOT THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANT A RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN ALL OF THESE USES ANYWAY? YET. ABSOLUTELY. HE DOES HAVE TWO SITES ALREADY ZONED IN THE FRONT. SOME OF THE THINGS YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT.

ABOUT REZONING ANYTHING COMMERCIAL. BECAUSE YOU SHOWED LAND USES YOU COULD DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USES.

YOU DID NOT SHOW THE BACK OF THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

>> NO, I DON'T BECAUSE THAT IS NOT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE IS NO USE CATEGORY FOR THAT.

>> IT WAS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> IT WAS AND I STATED IN AN EMAIL WE WERE NOT PURSUING THAT. AND THEN HE SAID WE WOULD BRING IT UP HERE OR WHATEVER. WE ARE EASILY, I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION IF YOU WANT TO. I KNOW THE COMMISSION IS HAVING ISSUES WITH HOW TO DO IT TOO. I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LAWSUITS GOING ON NOW THAT HAVE COME OUT.

I THINK THE INTENT OF IT WAS NOT QUITE WHERE IT IS GOING,

YOU KNOW? >> AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT COMMERCIAL IS EXEMPT FROM CONCURRENCY.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY TRAFFIC NUMBERS. THOUGH THE ITEM THAT IS COMING UP NEXT, ZONING TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL . I WILL THINK OF IT. ONE SECOND. COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

THEY HAVE SOME TRAFFIC NUMBERS THERE FOR 210. BUT THERE IS NOTHING FOR 207 IN THE APPLICATION. THAT MAY NOT BE READILY AVAILABLE.

>> THIS IS A STRAIGHT REZONING. SO ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE ASKING FOR, THINGS USUALLY DO KIND OF, YOU DO IT WHEN YOU DO CONSTRUCTION PERMITS AND THINGS. THIS IS A SEGMENT OF 207. THAT WOULD BE, IT IS 108. IT GOES FROM I-95 TO ROUTE DRIVE. OF ALL THE PARTS OF 207, MOST ARE LEVELS OF SERVICE.

THIS IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE C. I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHY. IT IS CLOSER TO THE INTERSTATE OR WHATEVER. AND IT IS AT 102%.

IT IS CONSIDERED -- >> HOW ABOUT THE TOTAL

COMMITTED TRAFFIC? >> I DID THE NUMBERS . 1000? ADVERSELY IMPACTING EVEN OVER 100%?

>> NO. THAT IS THE DEFICIENCY. SO IT IS KIND OF --

>> THE DAILY TRAFFIC IN THE TOTAL.

AS CITED IN THE NEXT ITEM FOR US IT'S AN AND SOME OF THIS , THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC AND SOME IS ON THE OTHER. THE OTHER IS ON -- AN AND THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS IT IS THE CRAZIEST THING. LAST FRIDAY, MY WIFE AND I WERE ON OUR WAY WE HAD TO PICK UP SOME FOOD. IT TOOK US 45 MINUTES TO GET FROM THE RAINTREE RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN AND THEN WE CUT THROUGH ON U.S. 1 WHICH WAS PACKED. WE TURNED ONTO 07.

THAT WAS 35 MINUTES TO GO FROM U.S. 12 2072 THIS SITE.

AND WE GOT INTO THE DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE THERE. BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT THAT BAD. THERE IS NOT AN ACCIDENT . IT WAS JUST SO MANY PEOPLE TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT ROAD. SO I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON 207 AFTER HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE. IT WAS A VERY FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE . INAUDIBLE ] I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING QUITE LIKE THAT. I WISH THERE WAS -- YOU CAN SEE ON THIS AERIAL, VERY FEW CARS THERE. THE PICTURES, THE PHOTOGRAPHS

>> I WAS THERE ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON.

>> YOU WERE? WELL, SO WAS I GET IT TOOK US 30 MINUTES.

>> IT DOES, IT DOES IT IF YOU DROVE IT EVERY DAY, THE NORTHERN PART IS, THAT IS THE PART --

>> SO YOU'RE DISMISSING ANY TRAFFIC CONCERNS?

>> NO. BUT I'M ALSO SAYING THE ONE THING ABOUT THESE KIND

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NORTH OR WHATEVER. >> I DID NOT FEEL LIKE TRAFFIC

WAS GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE. >> TRAFFIC IS A BIG ISSUE

EVERYWHERE. >> I'VE NEVER SEEN TRAFFIC LIKE THAT, I HAVE TO SAY.

I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN SOME TRAFFIC DATA IN THERE. AND MAYBE THE STAFF, IF NOT YOURS, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THAT. EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THIS IS EXEMPT FROM -- I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEEN ENVIRONMENTAL DATA. YOU HAVE HAD BIOLOGISTS

AT THE SITE? >> HE HAD SOMEBODY LOOK AT IT WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS LOOKING TO BUY IT . AND LIKE I SAID, I JUST RECENTLY GOT THE TREE SURVEY WE HAD DONE. INAUDIBLE ] I DID NOT BRING THAT TODAY .

>> BUT ANYWAY, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE

FROM AERIAL PHOTOS . >> IT IS KIND OF A MIX.

>> I LOOK AT A LOT OF AERIAL PHOTOS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH GOOD

>> A COMMENT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT. THIS IS A STRAIGHT REZONING . HOWEVER, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STAFF REVIEWS ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE PROPERTY. LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AS WELL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT THE COMING AFTERWARD . THE SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN THAT MAY COME IN. WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR THAT. OUR ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT MADE A COMMENT ABOUT IT SAYS AT THE TIME , DOCUMENTED BY A QUALIFIED SCIENTIST HAS ASSESSED THE SITE FOR THE PRESENCE OF POTENTIAL OCCURRENCE . THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS COMING OUT. WHETHER THE DOCUMENTATION SHOULD ALSO DISCUSS IDENTIFY ANY KIND OF LISTED SPACES AND CRISPLY ADOPTED INAUDIBLE ] SO THAT REVIEW AT THE TIME, THAT IS NOT AT THIS TIME. THIS APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED AT THE TIME OF REZONING. BEFORE THEY DO ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE ,

INAUDIBLE ] >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

THIS APPLICATION AND I SAW THE NAME OF CONTENTMENT PARK, THAT SOUNDS REALLY NICE . IT IS TWO RESTAURANTS. I GET IT BUT I THINK I KIND OF GET IT. IS THERE GOING TO BE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BETWEEN THE RV PARK THAT IS THERE NEXT WEEK?

>> THERE WILL BE. YES. THERE IS EASEMENT RIGHTS TO RESORT WAY.

THERE IS NOT A SIDEWALK OR ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL ROAD. AND OF COURSE, 207 HAS SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES

. >> BECAUSE I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, NO ALCOHOL? THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE -- IT WILL HAVE ALCOHOL?

I DID NOT SEE ALCOHOL LISTED. >> I MEAN, IT IS A RESTAURANT.

OKAY. I DID NOT KNOW NOW I KNOW.

BIG ENOUGH. THAT IS 2500 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT SO THEY CAN

SELL ALCOHOL. >>

ALONG RESORT WAY? >> THERE ARE. THAT WILL HAVE TO BE WORKED ON WITH THE CAMPGROUND.

>> THE OPPORTUNITY -- >>

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? MR. HUNT? VERY EFFECTIVE COMING UP PRESUMING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT

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TELL ME , IF THEY TAKE AND MOVE ON THAT PROPERTY OR CLEAR ON THE PROPERTY, YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO BRING IT BACK UP. I AM PRETTY SURE IT WILL HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK UP, OKAY? BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE. WHERE IS IT RAINING? HOW IS IT RAINING? IF THERE ARE ISSUES ON 207, WHICH THERE IS, OF TRAFFIC , THAT IS JUST A BASIC CONCEPT OF WHAT I SEE FOR THIS COUNTY. WE WILL BLOW THIS AND PUT IT OVER THERE AND OVER THERE AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS OTHER STUFF LATER, ALL RIGHT? MAYBE A FEW MORE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WE WILL REDO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ALL RIGHT? >> YES. TO SAY WE ARE NOT SURE , WE MAY PUT IT IN HERE, IT MAY BE LIKE THAT. JUST TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT . AS LONG AS YOU VOTE YES, WE WILL GET IT COVERED, OKAY? IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE THAT, OKAY? IF IT IS JUST TO PUT ONE RESTAURANT IN THERE WITH MULTIUSE FUNCTIONING OF THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WHAT IS GOING IN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? IS IT OF A BIG STORE IN THERE? IS IT AN ADAM AND EVE GOING RIGHT THERE? OKAY? LET'S LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. TO RETHINK THE POSITIONING'S OF LIQUOR STORES, SHOULD THERE BE ONE? THE RESTAURANT, IF THEY SERVE ALCOHOL, NOT JUST ALCOHOL, HARD LIQUOR. WILL HE BE ABLE TO TAKE IT OFF PREMISES? AND IT IS RIGHT THERE ACROSS FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

LOOKING AT THAT ASPECT. I KNOW MOST OF THE TIME THE BUTTON IS PUSHED ONCE YOU SIT DOWN. OKAY? THAT IS JUST THE CONCEPT OF SEEING AND UNDERSTANDING MORE AND MORE OF THE PZA AND HOW IT WORKS . IT JUST SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. HEY. DON'T WORRY. WE GOT YOUR BACK. THANK YOU.

SEEING NONE, MS. TAYLOR? QUALITY.

ANYWAY , I DO HAVE THAT WITH ME.

>> I COULD NOT TELL.

>> I APOLOGIZE. I USUALLY PRINT OUT EVERYTHING IF THERE IS SOMETHING I DID NOT INCLUDE. AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY JUST THE ZONING. WE HAVE NOT STARTED WITH THE OVERALL PLANS. AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THOSE TWO RESTAURANTS IN THE FRONT.

WHATEVER.

THERE IS AN IDEA, HE IS CALLING IT CONTENTMENT PARK FOR A REASON. WANTING THAT OPEN SPACE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT IS KIND OF WHY SHOWING THE TWO RESTAURANTS THAT I CANNOT GUARANTEE HE ENDS UP DOING THAT. BUT IF THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIQUOR SALES OR ANY TYPES OF USES OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT , YEAH, FOR THAT TO CONTINUE OR WHATEVER. BUT IF YOU READ THE CODE, THE LIQUOR CODE IS KIND OF CONFUSING. IF YOU READ THROUGH IT, LIKE I SAID, THE RESTAURANTS THAT SELL FOOD AND HAVE A FULL BAR DO NOT HAVE THE SAME DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

EARLIER TODAY. >> WITH THAT , I WOULD VERY MUCH NICE PRODUCT. IF I VOTE AGAINST IT

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BUSINESSES. THANK YOU. >>

>> I AGREE.

IN THE COMMENT ABOUT EXEMPTING THE LIQUOR TO BE INCLUDED.

INAUDIBLE ] >> ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU'RE

MAKING A MOTION. >> AND ON TUESDAY AT THE ECC, WE HAD A COUPLE CONDITIONS ADDED TO A PROJECT REGARDING NO VAPING STORES . SOMEBODY THOUGHT THAT UP . IS THAT A POSSIBILITY ALSO TO INCLUDE THAT?

SPEAKERS ] >> SO THESE ARE NOT ALLOWABLE?

>> NO, BECAUSE THOSE COME INTO MORE THE INTENSE COMMERCIAL

USE. CERTAINLY, AS TERESA -- >> THE BEEPING STORE AND THE ADULT STORE ARE NOT ALLOWING

>> THINGS LIKE THAT. IN THAT CATEGORY.

WITH THE CHT GENERALLY REQUIRING -- MAJOR INTERSECTIONS. HIGHLY COMMERCIAL USES ARE THOSE THAT SERVE THE TRAVELING PUBLIC WITH VEHICLE TRAVEL. HOWEVER, THEY ARE LISTED AS ] TYPICAL USES IN THIS CATEGORY WITH SERVICE STATIONS WITH OR WITHOUT RETAIL SALES, REPAIR FACILITIES WITH SIMILAR SERVICES SUCH AS SERVICE STATIONS. DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES, INTERCOSTAL STAMPS, TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT PLANT STANDS AND SALES, RECREATIONAL VEHICLE GROUNDS , HOTELS, MOTELS, PARKING AND EASEMENT CENTERS , INDOOR ACTIVITIES 15 ON THE PREMISES OF ALL LICENSED -- RETREATS, CAMPS , AND/OR WITH OR WITHOUT GASOLINE SALES AND MICROBREWERIES, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL CENTERS, CATERING , AND OTHER VAPING STORE CAME IN OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT TYPE OF STORE CAME IN, WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THAT ACCORDINGLY.

INAUDIBLE ] VIBRATE AND SUMMER SPECIAL USE. IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP UNDER SPECIAL USE, SOME OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE. SO I DID HAVE THAT UP THERE.

>> SO IF THERE IS , MAYBE THE POSSIBILITY , WOULD THAT BE A CONDITION THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE? I'M SORRY.

>> IT IS NOT A PROBLEMATIC CONDITION . CONDITIONAL ZONING ORDINANCES. IT USED TO BE SUPER POPULAR. AND THEN WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT. BECAUSE YOU KIND OF HAVE THEM WITH THE PUD AND WHATEVER. BUT SOMEBODY THAT GOES TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY. THEY DO NOT ALWAYS LOOK AT THE FIRST CONDITION. SO IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE BOARD FEELS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE WITHIN IT, THEN YES, WE COULD ADD CONDITIONS.

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>> AND I MEAN EVEN A TRUCK STOP OR SOMETHING TOO. YOU KNOW? I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS BY RIGHT OR WHOEVER THAT IS . I DO NOT USUALLY COME WITH THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS

STRAIGHTFORWARD. >> I UNDERSTAND. IT IS JUST A QUESTION.

SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE FUTURE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND OUR CHILDREN.

UP WITH THINGS LIKE THAT OR WE COULD ALSO CONTINUE THIS TODAY OR AT THE NEXT MEETING. I CAN BRING IN ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION AND OTHER THINGS IF YOU HAVE IDEAS TO LET US KNOW.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 2023-24 CONTENTMENT PARK AS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION?

>>

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES, 4-1. THANK YOU. ONTO ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND SIX. DOES ANYBODY IN THE AGENCY HAVE

COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH. >> WE HAD TO WORK QUITE A FEW EMAILS I RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY EMAIL THE COUNT . THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.

WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS LIKE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKWAY AS OPPOSED TO THE WEST SIDE.

INAUDIBLE ] SO WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST THE AMENDMENT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY HERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF TREACHERY THROUGH PARKWAY AND A COUNTY ROAD TO INTERPRET THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 6504 ACRES WITH AN ISOLATED 0.09 ACRE WETLAND AT THE VERY SOUTH , SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THE SITE IS PRIMARILY ALREADY CLEARED AT TWO SINGLE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON IT. WE DID A SITE VISIT WITH COUNTY STAFF. LOOKING FOR ANY KIND OF SPECIFIC SPECIMEN TREES BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME POTENTIAL ONES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. NONE OF THE TREES ON SITE WERE CLASSIFIED AS POTENTIAL SPECIMEN TREES. OUT OF THE PLAN IS THE TWO EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WILL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THE TWO HOMES ARE CURRENTLY HOOKED UP TO WELL AND SEPTIC. BOTH WILL BE PROPERLY ABANDONED AND THE SITE WILL BE CONNECTED TO WATER AND SEWER WHICH ARE AVAILABLE TO THE SITE.

>> AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE IS KIND OF SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY , THE RESIDENTIAL THE LAND TO THE SOUTH. TO THE NORTH IS THE TO BE DEVELOPED 210 COMMERCIAL PUD THAT HAS LAND-USE ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF 210 HERE, IT IS AGRICULTURE AS THIS AREA WAS LARGELY RURAL AGRICULTURAL AT ONE TIME PER THE SITE TO THE EAST ON SHEARWATER, YOU CAN SEE IT IS CURRENTLY ALSO RESIDENTIAL USE. THAT LAND-USE AND IMPUNITY FOR THE SITE WAS COMPLETED IN 2019 TO ALLOW THAT SITE TO BE DEVELOPED FOR RETAIL AND A DAY CARE. HERE IS THE ZONING MAP. AS YOU SEE, PUD SURROUND ON ALL SIDES AND ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 210.

OUR PLAN IS TO DEVELOP THE SITES . WE ARE REQUESTING A LAND-USE AMENDMENT TO COMMERCIAL AS DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK POINTED OUT. ALLOWING THE SITE TO BE DEVELOPED PRIMARILY NEWER AND COMMERCIAL USES.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT IS HIGHLIGHTED. THESE ARE THE

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HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE PLAN. I ZOOMED IN HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT. AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR STORMWATER IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO IT NEARLY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING WATER FEATURE OF THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY.

THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE TO OUR CLOSEST PROPOSED COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE IS OVER 400 FEET. WE ARE PROPOSING UP TO 72,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL ON THE SITE. I KIND OF DID A COLORIZATION HERE. THE WHITE IS ALSO INTENDED TO BE OPEN GREEN SPACE. WE JUST WERE NOT ABLE TO COLOR IT ALL. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING TWO BUILDINGS, PARKING CENTERED WITHIN THE SITE. ACCESS TO THE SITE WOULD BE FROM COUNTY ROAD 210. WHEN WE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE PROPOSING A DRIVEWAY ALSO FROM OR ONTO SHEARWATER PARKWAY. THAT IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY WHITE AND NEXT TO BUILDING B. THERE WERE SOME DEFINITE CONCERNS ESPECIALLY WHEN SCHOOL IS GETTING OUT . WE WENT BACK AND SPOKE WITH THE CLIENT AND THE COUNTY STAFF.

WE REALIZE THAT IN ORDER TO CONSIDER A DRIVEWAY ACCESS ON THAT SITE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE TROUT CREEK CVD BOARD . -- IS PRIVATELY OWNED. WOULD HAVE TO DO A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE ASHFORD MILLS COMMUNITY.

>> WE HAD REMOVE THAT FROM THE SITE PLAN AT THIS POINT. THE ARROW INDICATES THAT WOULD LIKE IT CONSIDERED AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE ACCESS KNOWING WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND WORK WITH TROUT CREEK AS WELL AS GET OUT MAJOR MODIFICATION IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDES TO ADD AN ACCESS ALONG SHEARWATER PARKWAY.

IS AN IMAGE FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING MATURE LANDSCAPING AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PUT IN BY THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY. ON THE INSIDE OF THAT, YOU CAN BARELY MAKE OUT THE GARAGE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE CURRENTLY ON IT.

THE INSIDE LINE, WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 30 FOOT, EXCUSE ME.

A DEVELOPMENT EDGE THAT WILL GO ALONG THE EASTERN, WESTERN, AND SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINES, AS WELL AS A 30 FOOT SCENIC EDGE GOING ALONG AT 0210. THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE ON THE SCREEN AND WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING FROM THE'S ABILITY OF OUR PROPERTY. FROM THE ADJACENT PRESIDENT , FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IS ANOTHER CONCERN BROUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENTS. THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, THE WAY THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK. WE HAD A COMMITTEE MEETING ON FIGURE 28TH AND THERE WAS A VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION . WE TALKED ABOUT DRIVEWAY TRAFFIC IN REGARDS TO THE SCHOOL. WE TALKED ABOUT STORM WATER POND, THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDINGS, THE POTENTIAL OFFSTREET LOADING AREAS AND DUMPSTERS.

THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS AS WELL AS THE TIMING OF CONSTRUCTION IN RELATION TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF COUNTY ROAD 210 CURRENTLY GOING ON ADJACENT TO THE SITE. WE DISCUSSED THE DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING ON AND WHETHER OR NOT THE SALE AND CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL WOULD OCCUR IN THE SITE.

WE CONSIDER THE PROPOSED PROJECT A GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN THE 10TH OF COMMERCIAL PROPOSED THAT WILL BE GOING ON TO THE NORTH ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH.

AS I PREVIOUSLY OUTLINED, NEIGHBORHOOD USES TEND TO BE SMALL RETAIL, SMALL COMMERCIAL, OFFICE, MEDICAL. INTENSE COMMERCIAL IS IMAGING SHOPPING CENTERS WITH TARGET, LOWE'S, WALMART . THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE SHALL THERE IS INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH. OUR SITE WILL BE LESS INTENSE AND TO THE SOUTH.

KIND OF GOING THROUGH THAT. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST SECTOR COMMUNITY PLANNING AREA. THIS SECTOR AREA WAS CREATED TO HELP PRESERVE SOME OF THE MORE PRESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA.

WE FEEL THIS INTERSECTION KIND OF CREATES A COMMERCIAL NODE AS

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>> WITH THAT, WE ARE HERE TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS AND WE HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER APPROVAL OF OUR PROJECT.

>> BUILDING B, FOR EXAMPLE. IS IT GOING TO BE 35 FEET IN HEIGHT? POTENTIALLY BE UP TO 35 FEET IN HEIGHT. THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER SITE PLAN SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS DONE AT THIS POINT. BUT YES, IT IS ENVISIONED TO BE UP TO 35 FEET.

>> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE? AREAS THAT ARE LOOKED AT TO THE EAST. I WONDERED HOW TALL THOSE WERE? I ASSUME ACROSS 210 , ON THE SIDE OF 210, IN THE FUTURE THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOTS OF 35 FOOT TALL BUILDINGS. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT ARE THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS?

>> ON THE EAST SIDE, THE DAY CARE AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL RETAIL STRIP THAT FRONTS ALONG COUNTY ROAD 210, I DO NOT HAVE THOSE HEIGHTS. THEY ARE BOTH ONE-STORY IN NATURE. THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL STORE IS A TRADITIONAL ONE-STORY WITH THE PARAPET FLAT ROOF. SO IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20TH FEET.

OKAY. THIS IS COMMERCIAL, MOVING TOWARD COMMERCIAL. THE FACT THAT THE TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC ON 210 RIGHT NOW IS GREATER THAN PROBABLY KNOWS ALL ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. YOU OVER 150% OF TOTAL COMMITTED TRAFFIC ON 210 OUT THERE, THAT IS A REAL CONCERN FOR ME. I AM GLAD YOU ARE BACKING OFF, AT LEAST FOR NOW, THE SECONDARY ACCESS, THE INGRESS EGRESS, ONTO SHEARWATER PARKWAY. IS THAT THE CORRECT NAME OF IT? I THINK SO.

I DON'T RESIDENTS WERE UPSET ABOUT THAT. I READ ALL OF THE EMAILS AND SOME ARE INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET. THAT WAS OF REAL INTENSE -- THEY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTAINING IT. WEAR AND TEAR. THE SCENIC NATURE OF IT AND SO FORTH. SO THAT IS A CONCERN. WE WANT TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

>> BUT WE ALSO KNOW BEFORE WE CAN EVEN PUT IT, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY NOW THAT IS ACCESSED . THERE IS ACCESS FOR A HOUSE.

>> A SINGLE HOUSE. CORRECT. WENT OFF THE PROPERTY OWNER CHOOSES TO ADD A SECOND ACCESS, WILL HAVE TO WORK FIRST WITH THE CVD BUT IF WE GAIN THE SUPPORT, WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AND THE BCC TO OBTAIN APPROVAL FOR A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE ASHFORD MILLS. THERE WILL BE A WHOLE ANOTHER SET OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IF WE PURSUE THAT IN THE

FUTURE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> I HAD TIME TO GO BACK AND READ THINGS MORE CAREFULLY.

SUCH AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEW OF THESE THINGS. IT SAYS HERE THAT UNDER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS , THE POLICY. THIS WAS ALSO UNDER THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT GROUP. A POINT ONE .2 .5 IT STATES AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT, IT SAYS ALL COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS SHALL PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE NEED FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

SO DID YOU HAVE AN ASSESSMENT? >> YES, WE DO.

>> CAN YOU JUSTIFY THE NEED FOR THIS? AND MY REAL QUESTION IS, YOU HAVE 1,450,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL GOING IN JUST ACROSS THE ROAD. IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR THIS SMALLER SITE TO REDEVELOP THIS COMMERCIAL ? CAN YOU SHOW THAT?

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ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY BE WORKING IN OFFICE SPACES ON THIS SITE. HE WANTED SOME FLEXIBILITY.

THAT IS WHY WE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL USES INTO IT. IF THERE ARE USES OF MAJOR CONCERN, THAT IS SOMETHING I CAN BRING BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING UPON YOUR RECOMMENDATION GOING INTO SAY WHAT ABOUT STRIKING MR. STRIKING THAT. HE WANTED SOME FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL USES ON THE SITE.

THE GOAL IS A MEDICAL OFFICE. >> OKAY BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND SYMPATHIZE FROM THE LANDOWNERS AND HOMEOWNERS THERE. WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO DO THIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT. SO -- I WAS CURIOUS. ONE OF THE LETTERS MENTIONED. THIS CAN BE CONSIDERED HEARSAY, I SUPPOSE.

THE WETLANDS, THE PONDS ON THE BACKSIDE THERE. THOSE TWO PARCELS ARE SPRINGFED. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT?

>> THE IN MY MENTAL REPORT THAT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN YOUR PUD INFORMATION . YOU CAN SEE IT HATCHED IN THE SOUTHERN CORNER AND IT IS ISOLATED. THE SOURCE WAS NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT WHETHER IT IS SPRINGFED OR NOT. WHETHER IT IS PART OF OUR SITE OR PART OF THE LAKE TO THE SOUTH , I HAVE NO IDEA. THAT IS NOTHING I HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THAT LIVE LOCAL ACT. WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I KNOW THIS IS MORE VALUABLE AS COMMERCIAL.

MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT ALL?

>> IT IS NOT HIS INTENT TO DEVELOP THAT AS PART OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AT ALL. IN FACT, WITHIN PUD, WHERE NOT INCLUDING ANY RESIDENTIAL USES AS A PROVABLE USE OF THE SITE.

STAFF AUTHORITY ASKED IF THEY DO WITH EVERY SINGLE REZONING APPLICATION WHETHER OR NOT WE INTEND TO DEVELOP AND THE

ANSWER IS NO. >> THANK YOU.

>> TWO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD BUILDING B ON THE SITE PLAN BE PROHIBITED FROM ADDING ALL LOADING ZONE ON THE EAST SIDE? THE SHEARWATER PARKWAY SIDE? SCENARIO . WE MAY NOT HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR US TO LOOK AT AT THIS POINT. THERE WILL BE SOME BUFFERING AND SCREENING REQUIRED FOR WHATEVER THAT LOADING ZONE MAY BE. BUT TO TELL YOU IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, I CANNOT TELL

YOU AT THIS POINT. >> THANK YOU.

BEHIND BUILDING B? >> NO, HE WOULD NOT GET HAS ALREADY STATED VERBALLY TO US THERE IS NO INTENT THAT LOADING ZONES WOULD BE ON THE STREET FACING .

>> OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION IS A TRAFFIC QUESTION. IS THAT 150%, AS TRAFFIC IS CONSIDERED, THE WIDENING? UTILIZATION.

TRANSPORTATION. >> YEAH.

>> PERHAPS WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THIS IS ON ITEMS FIVE AND SIX .

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

ADDRESS IS 331 STRUCK WAY IN SHEARWATER. MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. WHILE THERE ARE MANY CONCERNS INCLUDING THE FACT THERE ARE NO TWO STORY BUILDINGS . WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SETBACKS , VISUAL BARRIERS, LIGHTING, SIGNAGE , LOCATION OF BUILDING B. I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON

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THIS IS THE MAP THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US BY TREVOR. AND WE SPOKE TOGETHER BEFORE. I HAVE SOME PHOTOS TO SUPPORT THIS. I WANT TO ORIENT YOU TO THIS . I HOPE THAT IS CLEAR FOR YOU? OKAY.

NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO ARE FACING WEST. OKAY. I WOULD ALSO ALERT YOU TO THE FACT THAT OF ELDON B IS LOCATED WHERE IT IS, WHERE ELSE WITH THE EGRESS BE LOCATED? THIS IS PROPOSED THERE. IT COMES JUST WHERE THE -- I GUESS THE TURN LANE STARTS.

HERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT AREA, OKAY? YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.

THIS SHOWS WHERE THE ENTRANCE OR THE TURN LANE STARTS. YOU HAVE A LIGHT STANDARD AND A FIRE PLUG. YOU HAVE 60 FOOT MATURE TREES. YOU HAVE OUR FENCING AND A PILLAR IN THE WAY. OKAY.

THE SECOND PHOTO IS FURTHER UP THE ROAD TOWARD THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE TO SHEARWATER. NUMBER THREE IS LOCATED HERE. NOTICE IT IS A BROAD PICTURE . IT IS SHOWING THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS WE HAVE AT THE SCHOOL. LET ME START OUT AND I WILL SLIDE IT ACROSS. HERE, YOU CAN SEE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ALL THE WAY FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT GOES DOWN SHEARWATER PARKWAY .

OKAY. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP HERE INTO SHEARWATER AND IT DOES NOT MOVE . HERE IS A FURTHER INDICATION OF HOW IT BACKS UP GOING DOWN TOWARD 210. HERE IS A PHOTO THAT INDICATES IT BACKS UP TO 210 AND PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM EVEN MAKING A LEFT TURN. THIS OCCURS EVERY SCHOOL DAY FROM ABOUT 8:00 OR 8:15 IN THE MORNING UNTIL 9:00.

>> I AM SORRY TOO. YOU GET THE IDEA.

>> IS AT SCHOOL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS NOT A PUBLIC SCHOOL? IT IS NOT A PRIVATE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL?

>> YES.

>> MICROPHONE WAS NOT ON. GO AHEAD.

>> 38 ROAD -- THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE SITTING ON 210 BECAUSE THEY CANNOT ENTER SHEARWATER AND THEY DO NOT MOVE. THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS UP BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL BUT THEY DO NOT TURN IN. IN THE MORNING, TRAFFIC IS BAD. THE PINE TREE ALL THE WAY INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC . YOU HAVE BIKERS AND WALKERS USING THAT TO ACCESS. MY OTHER POINT IS, SHEARWATER IS MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING IN THE AREA. AND TO TURN INTO THE AREA AND SEE THAT AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS NOT VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> WEST. OR POSSIBLY, HABIT A ONE-STORY BUILDING.

>> THANK YOU.

MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE POTABLE WATER AND SANITARY SEWER SITUATION. THE COMMUNITY OF SHEARWATER CURRENTLY HAS ISSUES WITH WATER PRESSURE. AND LACK OF IRRIGATION WATER TO THE LOTS. THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM THAT DEA IS AWARE OF.

THEY ARE HOPING THAT WHEN SHEARWATER IS CONNECTED TO RECLAIM THE WATER, THAT OUR WATER PRESSURE WILL IMPROVE.

CURRENTLY, THERE IS A VALVE ON THE IRRIGATION MAIN WHICH MONITORS A LOT OF PRESSURE. IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF

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AVENUE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY 25 CONFERENCE A PLAN OBJECTIVE A125C TALKS ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE AMENDMENT EXISTS OR IS PROGRAMMED AND FUNDED THROUGH AN IMPROVEMENT SCHEDULE. THERE IS NO ADDED INFRASTRUCTURE AS EVIDENCED BY THE PHOTO SHOWING THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON SHEARWATER PARKWAY. THE FUNDING FOR SHEARWATER REPAIRS MAY BE UPPER AND PAID FOR BY THE RESIDENTS OF SHEARWATER. SHEARWATER PARKWAY IS A COUNTY ROAD THAT ARE DEVELOPER GREAT THE RESIDENTS OF SHEARWATER WILL MAINTAIN THE UPKEEP. OBJECTIVE -- TALKS ABOUT THE COUNTY SHOWING COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES . REFERRING TO THE SENSITIVITY OF DEVELOPING BOTH WITH AND MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTS TRADE

>> HEIGHT, GENERAL APPEARANCE, STATIC, TRAFFIC GENERATION. WE HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY INFORMATION FROM ENTERPRISES REGARDING THE APPEARANCE AND AESTHETICS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS OTHER THAN BEING 35 FOOT TALL STRUCTURES BUT IF YOU TRAVEL DOWN TO 10 FROM LONELY PIE PARKWAY TO ST.

JOHNS PARKWAY, SHEARWATER IS IN THE MIDDLE. THERE'S ONLY ONE TO DESTROY BUILDING IN A SIX MILE STRETCH READ ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE SINGLE-STORY BUILDINGS. ON PAGE 34, THE PDA AGENDA, I'M SORRY. THE PZA AGENDA. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED IN A PROMINENT INTERSECTION. ON PAGE 36 UNDER POLICY EIGHT POINT ONE .9 IT STATES IT IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF A MAJOR COLLECTOR AND A LOCAL ROAD. THIS IS CONTRADICTORY. OUR SHEARWATER ENTRY IS SYMMETRICAL WITH BOTH SIDES WITH THE SAME FENCING, TREES, BUSHES, ET CETERA. WE WOULD LIKE THIS SYMMETRICAL APPEARANCE MAINTAIN. WE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT ALL THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. WITH DEVELOPING THIS ACCESS ONTO SHEARWATER PARKWAY. WE ARE AWARE THAT -- HAS WITHDRAWN ACCESS ONTO ELVIS PIERRE GROUP PARKWAY, BUT THE STIPULATION OF, "POTENTIAL FUTURE IN A COMMUNITY BOAT, " IN VERY TINY LETTERS BUT THE DRIVEWAY IS STILL VISIBLE WHERE HE ORIGINALLY HAD IT.

WE'RE ASKING THE PZA TO PLEASE NOT APPROVE THE ACCESS ONTO SHEARWATER PARKWAY. NATALIE AT THE PRESENT TIME BUT ALSO FOR THE FUTURE. INSTEAD, IMPROVE ACCESS ONLY FROM 210. WE ARE NOT AGAINST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE FRONT OF OUR COMMUNITY. OUR CONCERN IS THE INCREASE REGULAR ENTRANCE INTO A COMMUNITY, THE SAFETY ISSUES , AND THE FINANCIAL BURDEN THAT RESIDENTS MAY REQUIRE FOR ROAD REPAIRS WOULD ALSO WOULD LIKE AN INSTEAD OF YOU WHEN WE ENTER SHEARWATER. THIS IS OUR HOME.

FIVE -- 530 CENSUS REMARK AMENITY ASKING NO ACCESS ONTO SHEARWATER. I SENT THAT OUT YESTERDAY MORNING. I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO SEE A 35 FOOT BUILDING ON OUR RIGHT SIDE.

THANK YOU.

AT 184 WALTON CIRCLE IN THE SHEARWATER COMMUNITY. FOR BACKGROUND, I HAVE 45 YEARS EXPRESSING PLANNING DESIGN , A REGISTERED ARCHITECT IN 12 STATES, INCLUDING FLORIDA. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS PLAN OF DESIGN MEETS THE INTENT, THE SPIRIT, OR THE DESIRED OUTCOME OF THE PUD. THE PLAN IS SIMPLY TWO RECTANGLES WITH AS MUCH PARKING AS POSSIBLE. IT DOES NOT SHOW BUFFERS, ACTUARIES TO BE SAVED, PROVISIONS FOR TRASH HANDLING , STORAGE. THAT IS NOT EVEN A REAR ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED RECTANGLES WITH THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MEDICAL BUILDINGS. THEY WILL REQUIRE ANOTHER ACCESS THAT THEY WILL NOT TAKE TRASH TO THEIR FRONT

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IN ADDITION, THIS IS NOT SHOW COUNTY ROAD 210 IN ITS NEW FORM. IT IS GOING TO BE FOUR LANES WITH A MEDIAN BECAUSE IT IS NOT SHOWN, THE IMPACTS CANNOT BE REALIZED. COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC EXITING NORTH FROM THIS SITE AND WILLING TO CONTINUE ON TO 10 WEST WILL HAVE TO CROSS OR BE NEAR TO THAT NEW TURNING LANE AT SHEARWATER OR CROSS TWO LANES TO GET INTO ANOTHER TURNING LANE TO MAKE A U-TURN. IT IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE TO TRAVEL WEST IS ENTERING INTO SHEARWATER AND MAKING A U-TURN SOMEWHERE. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE DURING SCHOOL TRAFFIC. I BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS SUCH, BUT SIMPLY BE PUT ON THE MARKET. THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AS RESIDENTIAL, HAS NO IMPROVEMENTS, THE OWNER HAS NOT SPENT A DIME ON IT OTHER THAN TO COLLECT RENT. AND OBVIOUSLY, FROM THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THE DESIGN, HE DID NOT WANT TO PAY THE PLANNING FIRM MUCH EITHER. THE NEW OWNERS , IT IS JUST SIMPLY RELYING ON THIS BOARD TO CHANGE HIS ZONING SO HE CAN RESELL IT, MAKE A PROFIT, AND TAKE THAT PROFIT BACK TO HIS RESIDENT IN CALIFORNIA. IT SERVES ST. JOHNS NO PURPOSE.

TO COME BACK HERE AGAIN BEFORE YOU AND MAKE RESIDENTIAL , MAKE MAJOR REVISIONS IN ORDER TO HAVE A VIABLE PLAN. A PUD IS INTENDED TO BENEFIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS FOR THIS PLAN DOES NOT DO THAT. I'M NOT AGAINST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ONTO 10. THIS PROPERTY MAY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE TWO ADDITION PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED AND THEN JOINTLY PLAN A COHESIVE PUD WHICH ALLOW FOR SAFER EXIT AND SAID IF I THE TRUE DEFINITION OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

PLEASE NOT A PAUSE -- APPLAUSE OR TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES. IT TAKES LONGER -- PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT.

>> HELLO. FRANK MURPHY. TWO FOR SEVEN BOTH ENCIRCLE BUT I LIVE IN SHEARWATER ALSO AND I HAVE HAD THE KNOWLEDGE OF SERVING ON THE TRACK CREEK DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY BOARD.

I PUT THIS UP TO GIVE EVERYBODY A SENSE OF WHAT THE SHEARWATER CONSISTS OF. IT IS GOING TO BE A TOTAL OF 2800 HOMES. 2900 HOMES, RIGHT? ONLY HAVE ABOUT 2000 OCCUPIED.

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF SHEARWATER AND THAT IS ON TREND OR THROUGH PARKWAY AT 210. EVENTUALLY, THIS LITTLE BLOCK RECTANGLE WOULD BE THROUGH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL. THERE EVENTUALLY WILL BE TWO ACCESSES ONTO 16 A BUT FOR ANY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO GO SHOPPING, GO TO WORK, GET TO MAJOR HIGHWAYS. EVERYBOY GOES THROUGH SHEARWAER PARKWAY TO 210. THAT IS A DIRECT WAY AND IT ALWAYS WILL BE BUT I KNOW WE HAVE SEEN AND HEARD A LOT ABOUT NOT HAVING ANY DRIVEWAY ACCESS ONTO SHEARWATER PARKWAY. I DO NOT WANT TO BELABOR THAT POINT. BUT EVEN THOUGH IT IS CLASSIFIED FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION, IT CANNOT HAPPEN IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE JUST CANNOT HAVE THAT. I MEAN, I DO NOT KNOW TECHNICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS. IF SOMEBODY HAS FUTURE, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY. BUT IF WE COULD DELETE THAT FROM THE PLAN, THE SHEARWATER , THE RESIDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BUT THE OTHER POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT WITH BUILDING B, THIS ONE.

SAYS NO DRAWINGS OR ENGINEERING OR ANYTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WHY NOT PUT IT ON THE SIDE OF THE PARCEL? OVER HERE. JUST HAVE PARKING ON THE SHEARWATER PARKWAY. A COUPLE MENTIONED AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE THIS BUT WE HAVE TO BE REASONABLE. COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE TOWN. AT THE SAME TIME, PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO MOVE INTO SHEARWATER. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF A 35 FOOT BUILDING. EVERY TIME WE COME IN AND OUT. IT WILL AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES.

I DO NOT SEE WHY WE CANNOT JUST MOVE THAT ROAD TO THE OTHER

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I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU.

>> BLACKBERRY LANE. I'VE WITH THESE RESIDENTS. I HEARD - WHAT I HEARD THEN. MY MINUTES ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING DIFFERENT TODAY. I'M GREATLY DISAPPOINTED. I HAVE TO SAY THAT YOUR DECISION TODAY IS TO BE BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW TODAY. WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY. THERE IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. NO LONGER ACCESS OFF OF SHEARWATER. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO RESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK FURTHER. THERE IS NO ACCESS OFF OF SHEARWATER. THERE IS ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT .

WITH THE APPROVED 210 AND A MEDIAN , THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT WOULD BE IF YOU ARE TRAVELING EAST. THE ACCESS IS TOO CLOSE TO SHEARWATER INTERSECTION. THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON USES. THIS IS BROAD USE. THE OWNER WANTS US TO BE MINDFUL. IT SURE SOUNDS GOOD. IT SOUNDS GREAT. BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN IN YOUR DOCUMENT TODAY THAT SAYS THIS WILL BE RESTRICTED TO MEDICAL. WE CANNOT BE GIVING THIS APPLICANT A BLANK CHECK BECAUSE SOMETHING SOUNDS GOOD.

YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR DECISION BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD AND WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET TODAY. THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS , INCREDIBLE. I SHOULD'VE TAKEN A PICTURE AND BROUGHT IT HERE. I LIVE ON RACETRACK ROAD. AND NEAR U.S.

1, THE DEVELOPMENT THERE PLACES THE FRONT OF RETAIL BUILDINGS FACING INWARD. THE BACK FACING RACETRACK. SO EVERY DAY, I SEE ELECTRIC , TRASH CANS, SERVICE STORES. NO ACCESS DRIVE. I CANNOT BELIEVE THERE IS NO ACCESS SERVICE SIDES IN LOADING. I DON'T KNOW. WOULD THEY BE AMENABLE

TO KNOW LOADING? >> IT IS NOT IN YOUR PACKAGE TODAY. THIS IS A TERRIBLE SITE PLAN. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY ROAD 210 TOWNE CENTER IS ACROSS THE STREET. THIS IS ONTO 10. THE FUTURE SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL. BUT WHAT YOU SEE TODAY, WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD AND SEE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS NOT THE FUTURE FOR THIS COMMERCIAL. I URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND DENIAL BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD TODAY. THIS CAN BE BETTER . IT MUST BE BETTER. THIS IS NOT GREAT.

SAMANTHA COURT. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF VERY BRIEF COMMENTS.

I BELIEVE FROM THE PICTURES YOU HAVE SEEN, IT IS VERY OBVIOUS , IT IS NOT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE. I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF HITCHHIKE AND MOVE THAT WARRANT A LITTLE BIT . YOU SAW THE PICTURES OF THE SCHOOL AREA WITH THE TRAFFIC. I THINK IF YOU ADD ANY MORE TRAFFIC THERE, IT WOULD BE IMPACT

RELATIVE TO SCHOOL SAFETY. >> SPEAKING OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS, THERE ARE 2000 RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE MORE TRAFFIC ON SHEARWATER PARKWAY RELATIVE TO THE COMMERCIAL USE OF THE PUD WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO ALL OF THEM. SO I URGE YOU TO VOTE THIS PUD DOWN. THANK YOU.

HELLO. I AM MARTHA GEORGE , 55 SAMANTHA LANE. I DO NOT HAVE STATEMENTS BUT I WILL TALK TO YOU FROM THE HEART. I AM A TEACHER. CHILDREN HAVE BEEN MY LIFE.

I AM GOING TO PUT IT THIS WAY. WHO WANTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY WENT ONE OF OUR CHILDREN IS HURT OR KILLED? THAT WILL HAPPEN . THE TRAFFIC IS SO HORRENDOUS. WE JUST LOST ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS ON THE BUILDING FRONT , A VERY DEAR LADY THAT I HAD COFFEE WITH THE DAY BEFORE. THERE IS TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. THIS IS NOT A WELL-PLANNED BUILDING. WHERE IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS? THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY WITH FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. YOU GOT GRANDPARENTS MOVING IN TO TAKE CARE OF

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THANK YOU.

AUDIENCE? GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I AM LINDA LEE AND I LIVE AT -- COURT. THAT IS IN SHEARWATER. WE ARE THE FIRST LITTLE SECTION NEIGHBORHOOD. WE CANNOT EVEN GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SOMETIMES . OUR LITTLE SECTION. IT'S BECAUSE OF ALL THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC THAT IS BACKED UP INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. LOOKING FOR TO NEXT YEAR WHEN THAT CHANGES WHEN THE OTHER SCHOOL OPENS IN THE BACK OF THE SUBDIVISION.

BUT THAT IS GOING TO BRING MORE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN TO 10 WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING THEIR CHILDREN INTO THE EXISTING SCHOOL NOW. SO THE AREA THEY WANT TO DO FOR FUTURE , IF THEY COME OUT THAT WAY, THEY ARE COMING OUT TO THE SAME ROAD THAT THE SCHOOL WAS ON. THEY'LL HAVE TO CROSS OVER A COUPLE OF LANES TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN TO GO OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.

RIGHT THERE AT THAT SAME PLACE, OR THE COMMUNITY POLICE TO COME EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON TO TRY TO GET OUR TRAFFIC TO MOVE BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND THAT ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. THERE HELPING THE KIDS CROSS THE STREET SAFELY. WELL, IF THERE ARE BIG VEHICLES COMING OUT, THEY MAY NOT EVEN SEE A CHILD.

ALSO, IF YOU GO DOWN TO 10 AND DRIVE THE ENTIRE 210, FROM BEGINNING TO END, YOU WILL SEE NO OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH THE BACK OF IT FACING IN TO THEIR SUBDIVISION. WHY DO YOU WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT? WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT AND I AM SURE NO OTHER NEIGHBOHOODS WANT TO SEE THAT THERE. IF YOU LET THEM DO THIS AND DO THAT TO THE BACK OF OURS WHERE WE CAN SEE IT COMING IN AND GOING OUT, YOU'LL END UP WITH EVERY NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DO NOT , WE ARE NOT AGAINST COMMERCIAL.

THE OTHER LITTLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF OUR OPENING DID A REALLY NICE LITTLE JOB. IT IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF LAND THAT I UNDERSTAND THEY DID THE BEST THEY CAN WITH WHAT THEY HAVE BUT I'VE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

ALTHOUGH HAS GRADED A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO THE COFFEE SHOP. I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THIS NEW PLACE AND ALCOHOL.

WOULD NOT NEED ALCOHOL BEING SOLD RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE A SCHOOL. I'M HOPING YOU ALL WILL NOT PUT THIS THROUGH. IF YOU DO , HAVE THEM FLIP IT AROUND WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE TO SEE THE BACK ENTRANCE . PLEASE DO NOT LET THEM USE THAT ROAD.

IT MIGHT NOT BE OUR CHILDREN IN SHEARWATER, BUT IT WILL BE OTHERS THAT ARE COMING INTO THAT SCHOOL. THAT STARTS NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU.

HUNT. THE COMMENTS ARE VERY GOOD. OF HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON THAT PART OF TO 10. BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES THAT WERE APPROVED YEARS AGO , AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL GET WORKED ON WHEN WE NEED TO, ALL RIGHT? YES. SHEARWATER IS A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT. YES, THERE IS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. LOOKING AT IT ON THE ASPECT OF GOING IN AND OUT OF 210. I TRY TO LOOK AT THINGS IN THE SAME SPECTRUM.

LOOKOUT SHEARWATER HAS CAME IN LIKE A TIDAL WAVE OVER AND

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IF THEY WANT TO HAVE VAPING STORE, IT DOES NOT MATTER, OKAY? IT IS GOOD FOR ME. THAT'S HOW IT SEEMS TO BE.

BECAUSE IF THERE ARE 2900 HOMES GOING THERE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE. WHY PUT A LITTLE BUILDIN HERE IN THE CORNER? DOESN'T MAKE SENSE NOT TO DO IT? WHO KNOWS? WHO CARES ANYMORE? JUST DO IT. THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE. OR HOW ABOUT THEY MAKE A PROFESSIONAL KNUCKLEBALL CLUB, SHEARWATER THE CABAL CLUB THERE ON THE CORNER? WOULD THAT BE GOOD? YOU KNOW? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, IF PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. DO NOT JUST STAY WITHIN YOUR LITTLE AREA. IT IS A BIG SPECTRUM. YOU WILL SEE HOW EASILY IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THAT SCHOOL IS RIGHT THERE. IT DOES NOT MATTER. IT'S GET THOSE CHANGED. IT JUST DOES NOT MATTER. OF HOW THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.

>> AS LONG AS I AM BEING AFFILIATED WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, OKAY? THAT IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS.

THAT IS HOW THIS COUNTY IS. I KNOW. I AM FROM THE NORTH.

THAT IS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE. FROM JACKSONVILLE, THAT IS NORTH, OKAY? I HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE MANY A TIMES AND NOW SEEING IT, IT IS THE NORTH COMING DOWN HERE.

ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEMS FIVE OR SIX? SEEING NONE, -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD ?

>> LET'S SEE IF I CAN HIT SEVERAL -- SEVERAL OF THESE POINTS OF CONCERNS HERE. CAN WE BRING BACK UP MY SITE PLAN?

>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING BACKWARDS. SORRY.

SO TO ADDRESS ONE CONCERN REGARDING THE JEA CONNECTIVITY. THAT IS WHERE JEA WOULD TELL US TO CONNECT FOR THAT IS NOT SOMETHING AS US AS THE ENGINEERS OF RECORD WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL. SO WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT AT THE CORNER OR ALONG 210 WOULD BE DRIVEN BY JEA AND WHERE THEIR CONNECTION POINTS ARE. REGARDING HEIGHT, THE ADJACENT TO THE EAST , THE DAY CARE AND THE COFFEE SHOP, THE HEIGHT WITHIN THE PUD IS IDENTIFIED AS A MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET. THE SAME WITH THE 210 TELECENTER TO THE NORTH THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED EVENTUALLY. THE HEIGHT IS ALSO 35 FEET .

AND IF YOU GO TO THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE AND LOOK AT ALL THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS, THE LARGE PREDOMINATE OF THE ZONING CODES, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ARE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. 35 FOOT HEIGHT IS GENERALLY INDICATIVE OF NO MORE THAN A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. THAT HEIGHT IS VERY CONSISTENTLY USED WITH THE PUD AND THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE WITH CONVENTIONAL ZONING. THAT SAID, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO BE ANY HIGHER THAN A 35 FOOT STRUCTURE PREDICATE END UP BEING A ONE FOOT STRUCTURE. AS FAR AS THE PLACEMENT OF BUILDING B, IT IS NOT OUR INTENT TO HAVE A STREET FACING WE ARE LOOKING BUILDING.

OBVIOUSLY, WITHIN THE PUD, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT PART OF THE REQUIRED MATERIALS WE HAVE TO SUBMIT AS PART OF THE PUD. THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT. WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BUT WOULD ULTIMATELY GET DESIGNED IS NOT MEANT TO BE THE REAR ELEVATION WITH LOADING BAYS AND BACK DOORS AND DUMPSTERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE PUD TEXT ITSELF STATES THE PLACEMENT OF LOADING BAYS, SIGNAGE, DUMPSTERS AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT

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I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

YOU CONSIDERED MOVING BUILDING B TO A -- PROPERTY?

>> I DID BRING IT UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. HE IS NOT OPPOSED TO IT BUT HE KIND OF LIKES THE PLACEMENT OF IT IN THIS WAY TO CREATE A COURTYARD TYPE FIELD. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HE IS NOT OPPOSED TO DOING.

>> OKAY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT ARIEL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY PLAT. ON YOUR TWO PROPERTIES, YOU HAVE A DITCH. IT LOOKS LIKE IT RUNS WEST . WHEN YOU DO THE RETENTION POND, HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THE DRAINAGE FOR THE OTHER PARCELS WHEN IT IS ALL CONNECTED?

>> I DO NOT HAVE MY ENGINEER TO SPEAK ON HOW THAT WILL BE DONE.

IT WOULD BE DONE PER ST. JOHNS DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, IT WILL BE DONE . WHATEVER THEY

TELL US TO DO, WE WILL DO. >> OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

I HAVE COMMENTS ON THE CODES. SO SHOULD I DO THAT NOW OR

SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION? >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

>> FIRST, I WANT TO ASK THE STAFF --

>> YES. >> MR. -- IS HERE. AND THEN YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION, PLEASE.

THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS IN THE REPORT WHICH THEY 80% USED CURRENTLY, AND 150%. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE CAPACITY TO CREATE THE FLOOR LENGTH SECTION. THOSE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY LOWER. THE ANALYSIS AND SPREADSHEETS. IT IS ACTUALLY LANE IN THERE AND -- PERCENT QUITE FRANKLY, I STRUGGLE WITH THE COMMERCIAL ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHEARWATER -- SHEARWATER PARKWAY . ARE MY ISSUES WITH IT. SO WE LOOK AT THE LAND-USE CHANGE ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY . AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SAME LAND-USE CHANGE , IT RESTRICTED THE TOTAL SQUARE FEET OF 21,000 7000, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION OF THE USES.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, ALSO IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT, THERE IS A PER DIEM THAT SAYS OF THE 21,000 SQUARE FEET , 11,000 IS ABATEMENT. SO THERE WAS ANOTHER SORT OF LIMITATION.

SCALE AND COMMERCIAL. AND FINALLY, THERE IS A TRAFFIC

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I HAVE TO TELL YOU, WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL . THE OTHER ISSUES SHOULD BE ADDRESSED .

THERE SHOULD BE SOME MORE SPECIFICITY.

TALKING ABOUT BUILDING. JUST REMOVE ANY DISCUSSION OF ACCESS FROM SHEARWATER PARKWAY. WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT ANYWAY UNLESS COME BACK TO THIS BOARD. I AM GOING TO THROW THOSE THINGS OUT THERE. TELL YOU THOSE THINGS AND ASK YOU IF YOU WANT TO REGROUP OR IF YOU WANT US TO PROCEED FORWARD? SELECTIVE TOUCH ON ONE THING. YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING I FORGOT TO TOUCH ON. AS FAR AS PERMITTED USES, STARTING ON PAGE TWO OF OUR NARRATIVE. IF YOU ENTERTAIN ME FOR JUST A SECOND. I WILL LIST WHAT IS POTENTIAL USES . WE PULL BE STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CODE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. AGAIN, TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY AS TO WHY SOME OF THESE ARE IN HERE.

COMMERCIAL INDOOR RECREATION, ENTERTAINMENT, RETAIL STORES , FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WITH OR WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH.

ATMS, CONVENIENCE STORES WITHOUT GAS PUMPS. LIKE A 7-ELEVEN WITHOUT A GAS STATION. GROCERY STORES, SPECIALTY FOOD STORES, PHARMACIES, SPONSOR GEMS OR OTHER HEALTH USES, CHURCHES, PERSONAL SERVICES LIKE A HAIR SALON OR NAIL SALON. SOMETHING TO THAT AFFECT GOOD VETERINARY OFFICER ANIMAL HOSPITAL WITH NO OUTDOOR BOARDING FACILITIES, CHILD AND ADULT DAY CARE, RESTAURANTS WITH OR WITHOUT DRIVE-THROUGH'S. ENTER FARM AND SUPPLY AND GARDEN CENTERS .

ACE HARDWARE TYPE OF USE. OUTDOOR PLANT SALES, MEDICAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, GOVERNMENT OFFICES OR SCHOOLS OF THE FINE ARTS OR MARTIAL ARTS FOR THE KARATE STUDIO OR MUSIC STUDIO. THIS WORDING CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE TRY TO HEAR THAT AS CONSISTENTLY AS POSSIBLE. THIS KIND OF OUTLINES WHAT THE USES ARE. WE'RE TRYING TO BE SPECIFIC WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO BE BROAD. AS FAR AS A DEFERRAL TO KIND OF REQUEST AND TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE HEARD TODAY, IF THE BOARD IS LEANING TOWARD, YOU KNOW, A DECISION MY CLIENT WOULD NOT WANT , THEN YES, WE WOULD WANT THIS TO BE TABLED AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY -- WE HAVE TO RENOTICE, TERESA? IF WE DO THAT?

>> IF IT IS CONTINUED TO A DATE CERTAIN, NO. IF IT IS CONTINUED TO AN UNDETERMINED DATE, YES.

THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING? >> HAVE TIME TO REVISIT YOUR SITE PLAN AND MAKE SOME CHANGES IN TWO WEEKS.

HAVE FLEXIBILITY OR WOULD WE NEED TO GO FOUR WEEKS OUT?

>> I WOULD LIKELY NEED TO GO FURTHER OUT.

>> WOULD FOUR WEEKS BE SUFFICIENT?

>>

VERY MINIMUM. FOUR WEEKS -- >> BASED ON INFORMATION PROVIDED, JUNE 20TH WOULD BE THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.

THIS IS ALSO SCHEDULED FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THAT MEETING WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE MOVED. AND THIS AGENCY IS NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THEIR MEETINGS SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE THAT. WE COULD CONTINUE THIS MEETING TO JUNE 20TH AND THERE WOULD BE NO FREE ADVERTISING REQUIRED.

STAFF WOULD HAVE TO RENOTICE FOR WHENEVER IT IS GOING TO BE SCHEDULED APPROXIMATELY SIX WEEKS OUT.

>> THE APPLICANT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT RE-ADVERTISING.

MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO JUNE 20TH?

>> I WILL MOVE THAT MOTION.

] >> I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THIS GOES BECAUSE I HAVE NOT DONE THIS BEFORE.

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>> MY, THIS, I DO NOT THINK IT IS FAIR TO THE CITIZENS THAT TOOK ALL THE TIME TO COME HERE. TO CONTINUE THIS AT THIS POINT. HAVING TO COME BACK. ON SUMMER VACATION. I DO NOT

SEE IT AS BEING FAIR. PEER >> ANY OTHER FEEDBACK? ME UPSET ABOUT THAT TO GET THE INGRESS AND EGRESS. SHEARWATER PARKWAY. YOU KNOW, I DO NOT LIKE THE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE IS CONCERN WITH PEOPLE COMING IN

AND OUT OF SHEARWATER PARKWAY. >> INCLINED TO GO ALONG WITH THE CONTINUANCE. TO GIVEN UP -- TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR. I BELIEVE I HEARD IT STATED THAT THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS A PUD THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2018, THERE WAS -- THERE IS A 40 FOOT HEIGHT. THAT PARTICULAR PUD. AND THAT IS PER ORDINANCE 2018. THE TOWN CENTER.

I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD IN CASE THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP WITH THAT. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR A CONTINUANCE.

PLEASE REGISTER YOUR VOTE.

CONTINUE TO JUNE 20TH.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER SIX.

>> THANK

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