Apr 02, 2024 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE SAINT JOHNS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THERE ARE MATERIALS AVAILABLE UNDER THE WEBSITE UNDER AGENDAS AND MINUTES. ONCE YOU FIND THE AGENDA, YOU MAY CLICK ON THE AGENDA TO ACCESS ALL THE REFERENCE. AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> CHAIR COMMISSIONER SARAH ARNOLD.

>> PRESENT. >> VICE-CHAIR ROY ALAIMO.

>> RESIN. >> COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER KRISTA JOSEPH.

>> PASTOR BOB APPLEBY FROM COLONIAL CHURCH. IS PASTOR APPLEBY WITH US? I WILL ASK COMMISSIONER WIPERS TO DO THE

HONORS. >> IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE BOW THEIR HEADS, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME IN YOUR PRESENCE TODAY HUMBLY ON THIS EASTER WEEKEND. OUR LORD, JESUS CHRIST, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EACH AND EVERY DAY. FOR THINGS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT, LORD. PLEASE BE WITH US, GUIDE US, DIRECT US. ST. JOHNS, IN MAKING DECISIONS. IT IS IN YOUR NAME THAT I PRAY. AMEN.

>> AND TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, WE HAVE THE CAPTAIN OF THE UNITED STATES NAVY CAN PATRICK MCCAW ROMAN. GOOD

MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. IF YOU ENJOY ME IN THE PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PATRICK, HOW MANY YEARS WERE YOU COUNTY ATTORNEY? 15? HOW MANY YEARS WERE YOU ATTORNEY? I

[Proclamation Recognizing Child Abuse Prevention Month]

WAS JUST CHECKING. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. OKAY. THAT WILL BRING US TO OUR PROCLAMATION.

COMMISSIONER LIMA WILL BE BRINGING US TO OUR CHILD

PREVENTION. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

APRIL IS CHILD PREVENTION AWARENESS MONTH. I JUST WANT TO READ A COUPLE STATISTICS. ACCORDING TO THE CDC LAST YEAR, ONE IN SEVEN CHILDREN EXPERIENCE SOME KIND OF CHILD OR NEGLECT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE CASES GO UNREPORTED BUT WITH THE RIGHT RESOURCES TOGETHER, WE CAN PREVENT CHILD HERE IN OUR COUNTRY ENDED NOW ENTITY. SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SHAYNA TO READ THE PROCLAMATION THEN I WILL SAY A FEW WORDS.

>> A PROCLAMATION IN SAINT HIGHLANDS COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS NATIONAL CHILD PREVENTION MONTH WILL BE RECOGNIZED THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT STATES DURING APRIL 2024, AND WHEREAS PREVENTING CHILD NEGLECT IS A COMMUNITY PROBLEM THAT DEPENDS ON INVOLVEMENT OF BOTH PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND WHEREAS CHILD MALTREATMENT OCCURS WHEN PEOPLE FIND THEMSELVES IN STRESSFUL SITUATIONS WITHOUT COMMUNITY RESOURCES AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO COPE, THE MAJORITY OF CHILD CASES STEM FROM SITUATIONS AND CASES THAT ARE RENTABLE IN AND ENGAGED IN SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY, AND WHEREAS CHILD AND NEGLECT NOT ONLY DIRECTLY HARM CHILDREN BUT ALSO INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, SUBSTANCE , HEALTH PROBLEMS, AND RISKY BEHAVIOR. CHILD AND NEGLECT CAN BE REDUCED BY MAKING SURE EACH FAMILY HAS THE SUPPORT THEY

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JOHNS FLORIDA THAT APRIL 2024 BE DESIGNATED AS CHILD PREVENTION MONTH PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA, ON THE SECOND

DAY OF 2024. >> I AM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADMISSION FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN COMMUNITIES. TO PREVENT CHILD FLORIDA AND OUR PARTNERS ARE BUILDING A NARRATIVE FOR HELP FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES THROUGH COLLABORATION AND THE CREATION OF AN ECOSYSTEM OF PRIMARY PREVENTION, COMMUNITIES MUST BUILD POSITIVE FUTURES TOGETHER IN PARTNERSHIP. EACH DAY IS A OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A FOUNDATION FOR OUR FUTURE. TOGETHER, ARE POWERFUL NETWORK OF ADVOCATES THROUGHOUT FLORIDA ARE READY TO PROVIDE FAMILIES WHAT THEY NEED BEFORE THEY INCREASE. WE KNOW THIS CANNOT BE DONE ALONE. WE ALL HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY AS A HEALTHY PARTNERSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY. THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO SUPPORT CHILD PREVENTION, YOU CAN SHOW SUPPORT BY PROMOTING POSITIVE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES IN PREVENTING ADVERSITY BY WEARING BLUE ON APRIL 5TH, ON "WEAR BLUE DAY" ON CHILD PREVENTION MONTH. YOU CAN HELP PLANT A PIN MOW CARD IN YOUR COMMUNITY, A VISUAL REMINDER OF THE WORLD WE WANT ALL OF OUR CHILDREN TO GROW UP HEALTHY AND HAPPY AND BE PREPARED TO SUCCEED. LOCALLY IN OUR COMMUNITY ON APRIL 3RD, AIN'T ST. AUGUSTINE YOUTH SERVICES WILL HAVE A PARTY FOR PREVENTION.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CANNOT DO THIS ALONE. THIS WILL INCLUDE BETTY GRIFFITH CENTER, THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES, THE FAMILY INTEGRITY PROGRAM, ST. JOHNS COUNTY LIBRARY, AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MORE. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT ST. AUGUSTINE YOUTH SERVICES THIS WEDNESDAY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CANNOT DO THIS ALONE. THANK

YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. IT

[Proclamation Recognizing Sexual Assault Awareness Month]

OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH IS INTENDED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS WIDESPREAD AND HAS

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AND, WHEREAS BETTY GRIFFIN CENTER STRONGLY SUPPORTS NATIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL PARTNERS , AND FOR EVERY CITIZEN TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EFFORTS, INCLUDING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS, HOW TO PREVENT IT, HOW TO HELP SURVIVORS CONNECT WITH SERVICES, AND HOW EVERY SEGMENT OF OUR SOCIETY CAN WORK TOGETHER TO BETTER ADDRESS SEXUAL VIOLENCE. THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, THAT APRIL 2024 BE DESIGNATED AS SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, ON THE SECOND

DAY OF APRIL, 2024. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS, FOR RECOGNIZING SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH, AND THAT HE ESPECIALLY, COMMISSIONER, AND WE HAVE OUR CHAIR JEAN EVANS AND ARE AMAZING SUPPORTIVE STAFF BEHIND US. WE JUST WANT ALL SURVIVORS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU. WE SUPPORT YOU. WE BELIEVE IN YOU. SINCE JANUARY, WE HAVE SERVED 62 ADULTS THAT HAVE COME TO US ABOUT SEXUAL , AND 36 CHILDREN SINCE JANUARY. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ALL THE WORDS BECAUSE JACKIE MEREDITH WHO IS OUR PROGRAM DIRECTOR AND ONE OF OUR THERAPIST ON STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME

EXCITING NEWS WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WOULD LIKE TO ALSO THANK OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, THE STATES ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR HELPING US FIGHT AGAINST SEXUAL VIOLENCE. IT IS NOT AN EASY SUBJECT AND IT IS NOT A SUBJECT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT AT DINNER TABLES AND AT PARTIES, BUT THEY SHOULD. MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING FORWARD WITH THEIR STORIES. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE START BY BELIEVING SURVIVORS. IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT FALSE REPORTING IS 2% TO 8%. THAT MEANS 92 TO 98% ARE TELLING US THE TRUTH. BUT, IN OUR SOCIETY, IT TENDS TO BE THAT IT IS REVERSED. I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO HELP END SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND SUPPORT SURVIVORS. START WITH ME AND TALKING ABOUT IT, EVEN WHEN IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE. AND JUST TO MENTION, BETTY GRIFFIN HAS EXPANDED. WE HAVE NOW OPENED UP A RAPE CARE UNIT AT THE HOSPITAL UNIT IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. WERE NOW IN THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WE HAVE THE RAPE CARE UNIT . THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[Proclamation Recognizing National Library Week]

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>> THANK YOU. >> A PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS LIBRARIES HAVE LONG SERVED AS TRUSTED AND TREASURED INSTITUTIONS, STRIVING TO SUPPORT COMMUNITIES, BOTH IN ERSON AND VIRTUALLY BY DEVELOPING AND MAINTAINING COLLECTIONS THAT SERVE DIVERSE POPULATIONS, AND, WHEREAS, LIBRARIES HELP BUILD COMMUNITIES TO EDUCATION AND ELECTRICITY AND ARE A CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRACY PROMOTING THE FREE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION AND CONTINUALLY ADAPTING AND EXPANDING RESOURCES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THEIR PATRONS. AND, WHEREAS, LIBRARIES CONNECT PEOPLE TO TECHNOLOGY PROVIDING ACCESS TO BROADBAND INTERNET, COMPUTERS, AND TRAINING FOR CRITICAL EDUCATION, EMPLOYMENT, AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND WHEREAS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY SYSTEM JOINTS WITH LIBRARIES, LIBRARY WORKERS, AND LIBRARY SUPPORTERS AND ADVOCATES ACROSS THE NATION TO CELEBRATE NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA THAT APRIL 7 TO THE 13TH, 2024, IT BE RECOGNIZED AS NATIONAL LIBRARY WE, ENCOURAGING ALL ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS TO CONNECT WITH THE WORLD, AND FOR A LIFETIME, AND ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA ON THE SECOND DAY OF APRIL, 2024.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE HAVE STAFF HERE ON THE STAGE AS WELL SOME LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS.

AND SOME FAMILY MEMBERS. SO IT IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO KICK OFF NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK. I JUST WANTED TO START OFF WITH A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS FOR YOU. WE ARE NOT THE LIBRARY THAT YOU REMEMBER US AS BEING. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY IN SUPPORT OF NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK TO REMIND YOU OF A FEW THINGS ARE AVAILABLE. OF COURSE, ALL THIS IS AVAILABLE TO YOU FREE OF CHARGE WITH YOUR LIBRARY CARD.

WITH YOU COMING TO ONE OF OUR LOCATIONS OR USE US REMOTELY, THIS MONTH AS PART OF OUR CELEBRATION, WE ARE HAVING A COUNTY-WIDE BOOKMARK CONTEST OPENED TO ALL AGES IN SEPARATE CATEGORIES. YOU WILL FIND MORE INFORMATION ON THE LIBRARY'S WEBSITE. THIS IS A FAMOUS ONE IN TERMS OF PARTNERSHIP AND ADVOCATES. THE CONTEST IS SPONSORED BY THE LIBRARY, BUT THE PRICES FOR THE WINNERS OF THE BOOKMARK DESIGNS ARE PROVIDED BY THE INDIVIDUAL FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY SUPPORT GROUPS. AGAIN, WE CANNOT DO WHAT WE DO IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF OUR FRIENDS. IF YOU ARE IN PREPARATION FOR THE SOLAR ECLIPSE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROGRAMMING IN OUR BUILDINGS AS WELL AS PROVIDING THE SOLAR ECLIPSE CLASSES SO IF YOU, YOUR NEIGHBORS, OR YOUR FRIENDS DON'T HAVE YOUR SAFETY CLASSES FOR THE SOLAR ECLIPSE NEXT WEEK, THEN YOU CAN STOP BY IN OF OUR LOCATIONS AND PICK THOSE UP. WE ALSO HAVE A TEAM SELLING EVENT. PART OF OUR PROCESS WITH TEAMS HAVE BEEN TO GET THEM INVOLVED IN A CAREER PATH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT LIBRARY HAS BEEN DOING IS WORKING WITH A GRANT TO PROVIDE SOME SEWING MACHINES. THE TEAMS ARE USING THOSE SEWING MACHINES, AND THEY WILL BE DOING A MARATHON DURING THE NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK EVENT TO PROVIDE PILLOWCASES OR DRAWSTRING FOR CHILDREN WHO HAVE GONE TO THE CHILDREN OF INTEGRITY SO IT IS A WAY TO PIGGYBACK ON OTHER OPERATIONS AND SERVICES. IF YOU ARE A LAST-MINUTE DELI WITH YOUR INCOME TAXES, WE DO PROVIDE FORMS AND STAFF TO HELP YOU LOCATE FORMS ONLINE IF YOU NEED THIS FOR YOUR INCOME TAXES.

THERE IS TAX ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE IN LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE LIBRARY SYSTEM AND THE COMMUNITY PROVIDED BY AARP. WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE LIBRARY OF THINGS. SO THINK OF THE SOLAR ECLIPSE. WE HAVE TELESCOPES. WE HAVE BACKPACKS

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SINCE THEY HAVE NEVER HAD MONDAY HOURS, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND SERVICE WOULD NOT BE LIKELY TO HAPPEN WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF OUR ADVOCATES AND THE SUPPORT OF OUR COMMISSION. THANK YOU, AND I HOPE TO SEE ALL OF YOU IN THE LIBRARY NEXT WEEK FOR NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK.

[Public Safety Update]

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. THE MOTION PASSES. THIS TAKES US TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY

UPDATE. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I AM TARA WILES FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I WANT TO TALK YOU ABOUT EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE TOPIC TODAY. TRAFFIC. THE ONE BIG PROBLEM WE ALL SHARE IN THE COUNTY. THINK ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE BEEN PAST THE DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME CHANGE. WE GOT PAST TPC. WE GOT PAST EASTER AND SPRING BREAK AND NOW NOBODY WANTS TO BE AT WORK AND NOBODY WANTS TO BE AT SCHOOL AND EVERYBODY IS AWAY FOR SUMMER AND NOBODY'S HEAD IS IN THE GAME. SO WHAT WE CAN DO TO AVOID -- THIS YEAR WE HAVE 5800 -- EXCUSE ME. WE HAD 5800 CLASHES IN 2023 REPORTED IN THE COUNTY WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A LOT BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE OVER 7 MILLION VISITORS A YEAR TO THIS COUNTY, NONE OF WHOM KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING, THAT IS REALLY A GOOD PERCENTAGE. THOSE ARE THE REPORTED CRASHES AND WE KNOW THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF CRASHES THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED AS WELL. SO THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO -- THAT MEANS ALL OF US NOT JUST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IS WHEN YOU GET IN THE CAR TO DRIVE SUMMER PLAN WE WERE GOING.

THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING. KEEP YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME. USE YOUR GPS BUT TRY NOT TO MAKE UNEXPECTED STOPS AND THINK THAT PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU IS GOING TO MAKE AN UNEXPECTED STOP. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING BUT ASSUME NO ONE ELSE ON THE ROAD DOES. TRY NOT TO MULTITASK. TRY NOT TO STARE AT YOUR GPS TOO OFTEN. USER DEVICES AND THOSE PHONES AND THIS KIND OF THINGS. MAKE IT A SAFER COUNTY FOR ALL OF US.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO INDIVIDUALLY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVING AND MAKE IT SAFER, WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO. TO REMEMBER WHEN YOU SEE THOSE TRAFFIC SITES THAT ARE OUT TO SEE YOUR SPEED, YOU SHOULD KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT AS YOU GO PAST THEM BECAUSE THAT USUALLY MEANS THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME AS FOR AS ENFORCEMENT GOES IN THOSE KIND OF ARENAS AND WE DO CONTINUE TO DO AGGRESSIVE ENFORCEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

US TODAY? >> COMMISSIONER WIPERS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS TO

DISCUSS. >> IT IS EVERYBODY'S.

>> I STOOD ON THE TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION THIS YEAR. WE LEARNED FROM D.O.T. THAT THEIR STATISTIC FOR 2015 WAS 93% OF CRASHES ARE A RESULT OF SPEEDING, CHANGING LANES, DISTRACTED DRIVING. I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTICS FOR ST. JOHNS BUT IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ARE

SEEING? >> I BELIEVE SO. THE VAST MAJORITY IS NOT DUE TO MECHANICAL FAILURE THINGS LIKE THAT. IS ACTIONS OF THE DRIVER. IT IS CONSCIOUS ACTIONS OF THE

DRIVER. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

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>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. JEREMY ROB ÚS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER HOT TOPIC FOR THE COUNTY, AFTER THIS PAST WEEKEND ESPECIALLY. OUR BEACHES ARE FULL OF PEOPLE.

WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A COUNTY WITH 43 MILES OF COASTLINE, BUT THE BEACHES ARE BUSY. ONE THINK I WILL SAY IS THAT THERE WAS AN INCREDIBLE PRESENCE BETWEEN SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND BEACH PD ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICES, BUT THEY WERE FULL. JUST A REMINDER AS WE HEAD INTO THE TRUE BEACH SEASON -- TYPICALLY FOR US THAT WOULD BE LABOR DAY THROUGH MEMORIAL DAY. AT TIME, THERE IS A PRESENCE ON THE BEACH. THERE IS A PATROL-BASED PRESENCE. SO THE MESSAGE IN THAT SENSE IS IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, CALL 911. THAT IS THE FASTEST WAY TO GET ASSISTANCE. THE SECOND THINK WOULD BE JUST FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT, BE AWARE OF WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. THE COUNTY IS VERY AWARE. THEY SAY WHAT WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE FOR THE DAY. WHAT TO WATCH OUT FOR. WHAT TO BE CAREFUL WITH. AND BE CAREFUL FOR THE FLAG FLYERS. RED FLAGS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF A HIGH HAZARD. WE TYPICALLY DO NOT FLY A GREEN FLAG IN ST.

JOHNS, BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THERE IS ALWAYS SOME LEVEL OF HAZARD PRESENT. YOU WOULD EITHER SEE A RED OR YELLOW FLAG. THE OTHER WHEN YOU MIGHT SEE WHAT IS A. BACK PURPLE FLAG. IT IS JUST AN AWARENESS LEVEL.

AS WE BEGIN TO GO TO THE BEACHES, FORTUNATELY THE WATER IS A BIT CHILLY. MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT VENTURING INTO THE WATER. IT WAS PRETTY MUCH SHALLOW WATER. A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE BEACHES. JUST AN AWARENESS TO THE COMMUNITY, TWO PEOPLE VISITING THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE ASK THEM. THAT IS WHAT OUR STAFF IS DOWN THERE FOR. PLEASE

[Clerk of Court's Report]

>> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> PERFECT.

>> ONTO THE CLERK OF COURT. >> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING. WITH APRIL RECOGNIZED AS NATIONAL CHILD PREVENTION MONTH, I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEF HOW THE DIVISION SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS, FLORIDA CHILDREN DEPARTMENT OF FAMILIES, IN HELPING TO PREVENT CHILD . IN 2023, THERE WERE CASES OF CHILD . THEY PROVIDE FINAL DISPOSITION. IN FAMILY LAW, DEPENDENCY COURT IS THE PRIMARY MECHANISM FOR TO DETECTED CHILDREN. COURT CASES ARE INITIATED WHEN THEY FILE A SHELTER POSITION TO REMOVE A CHILD FROM A SITUATION OF , ABANDONMENT, OR NEGLECT. ARE CLERKS OF THE FAMILY DIVISION ASSIGN A CASE IN 24 HOURS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE. THAT JUDGE WILSON TO THE EVIDENCE AND LISTEN. THE PROCEEDINGS ARE COLLABORATIVE IN NATURE IS ARE OFFICE WORKS IN TANDEM WITH DCF AND THE BUT HE GRIFFITH SURVIVOR CENTER.

[Public Infrastructure Update]

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.

>> NEXT, WE WILL HAVE OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.

MR. CALDWELL. >> GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE FROM DISTRICT 2 THE PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGER FOR D.O.T.. HE IS GOING TO COME UP AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. BUT, FIRST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DELIVER IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DELIVERY TEAM. IT IS ALSO WITH THE D.O.T. SO WE HAVE MANY PARTNERS THAT WE ARE COLLABORATING WITH. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT WITH MR. DRIGGERS COMING UP HERE. WE DO NOT ONLY HAVE MEETINGS LIKE THIS BUT WE SIT DOWN WITH JIM KNIGHT THE PLANNING DIRECTOR -- THAT IS HIS TITLE. MR. YOUNGMAN IS THE LOCAL ENGINEER.

GREAT PEOPLE. THEY ARE HELPFUL PEOPLE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THIS WILL BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CALDWELL. >> I DEFINITELY WANT TO SECOND THE OPPORTUNITY OF SPOTLIGHTING THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN ST.

JOHNS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. I GUESS AS FAR AS THE PRESENT -- OKAY. SO, THIS MORNING, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON TWO INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. THIS RUNS FROM JUST WEST OF THE GP INTERSECTION TO JUST WEST OF THE I-95 INTERCHANGE. IT IS A BOUT A SIX MILE PROJECT.

SORRY. LET ME GET IT. OKAY. SO AS FAR AS THE STATUS I DESCRIBED WITH THE PROJECT, IT IS ESSENTIALLY A TWO TO FOUR LANE WIDENING PROJECT. WE ARE LOOKING AT WATER QUALITY TREATMENT. THE CURRENT PROJECTED PROCESSES $279 MILLION TOTAL. BECAUSE OF THE INITIAL INVESTMENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND STARTUP INVESTMENT, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THE STARTUP DEVELOPMENT PHASE. THIS ALSO ALLOWS US TO GO TO A DESIGN DELIVERABLE. AS FAR AS WHAT HAS OCCURRED TODAY, RELATIVE TO THE PROJECT, WE WENT TO THE PROJECT WITH A PUBLIC MEETING BACK IN FEBRUARY. WE ARE CURRENTLY PROCESSING THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE RECEIVED IN MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AND WE INTEND TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC FOR A HEARING IN THE FALL. AT THAT POINT, WE WILL WRAP UP OUR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT PHASE. BUT WITH THAT THAT COVERS IT. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> YES. HOW LONG UNTIL THIS

GETS FINISHED? >> ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE STILL IN THE EARLY PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING OPPORTUNITIES AND RECOGNIZE THE NEED. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF PARTNERSHIP TO SPOTLIGHT THE NEED.

>> LIKE YEARS? HOW MANY YEARS? COME ON?

>> IT IS A FINANCIAL DECISION MORE THAN TIME. THAT TYPICAL ACQUISITION YOU SEE TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS MINIMUM. AND FROM THERE IT IS REQUIRING CONSTRUCTION PLANNING.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING STATE ROUTE 16 AS A NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITY. WE HAVE BEEN SEEKING FEDERAL DOLLARS I THINK WE JUST SAW SOME FOR THIS STATE ROAD. THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPER OBLIGATIONS. SO ALL OF THAT IS PART OF THE FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WE ARE SEEKING. AND WE ARE GETTING IT FROM EVERYPLACE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN BUT YOU SAID THE SIX MILE WIDENING PROJECT IS $279 MILLION. MY MATH SAYS THAT IS $46 MILLION PER MILE. WE RECENTLY WATCHED A MEETING WHERE AT THAT TIME THE WIDENING PROJECT WAS GOING TO COST US $5 MILLION A MILE NOW IS BACK IN 2018. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE COST HAVE BEEN INCREASING AND WHAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT?

>> WE ARE SEEING IT ACROSS THE BAND. IT IS RELATING TO OBVIOUSLY MATERIAL PRICING AND COMPETITION IN THAT INDUSTRY.

WE ARE WORKING REALLY HARD ON THAT INDUSTRY BUT IT IS ALL COMPETITION-BASED. AND JUST A DEMAND FROM A STATEWIDE PERSPECTIVE. ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE GOT TO BRAG. IN ST. JOHNS ITSELF, WE HAVE A VERY BIG PROGRAM. WE ARE ALL COMPETING FOR THE SAME RESOURCES. THAT IS ALL EFFECTIVE OF THE TRENDS

THAT WE ARE SEEING. >> IS BETWEEN YOU AND ME, I AM HOPING THAT $46.5 MILLION PER MILE DOES NOT TURN INTO $50

MILLION PER MILE. >> THANK YOU.

>> CONTINUE. >> THE NEXT PROJECT I WOULD LIKE TO SPOTLIGHT IS AS MUCH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE -- WELL, I WANT TO SHARE THE STATUS OF THE COASTLINE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE HAD TO FUND IT. ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS VERY EFFICIENT WITH THEIR OPPORTUNITIES AND I WENT TO AT LEAST SUGGEST WE HAVE A PROJECT IN THE WORKS. AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAVE HAD MAJOR IMPACTS. WE ALSO HAD TO GO IN WITH AN EMERGENCY REPAIR PROJECT. YOU KNOW? TO MAKE ACCESS CONTINUOUS. THEN WE HAD TO A STORE IN KIND THE IMPACTS THAT WE SAW. TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE, WE HAD 16 MAIN STORM EVENTS IN THE LAST YEARS. THAT IS NOT COUNTING OTHER

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I AM GOING TO SPOTLIGHT THE OPPORTUNITY TO COVER THE BLUE PROJECT LANE. YOU ALL RECOGNIZE THE CHALLENGES AND EFFECTS. WE ARE SEEING NOR'EASTERS AND WE ARE SEEING KING TIDE'S. WE ARE SEEING ALL THESE EVENTS WE KNOW WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE GOT TO WATCH AHEAD AND BE PROACTIVE VERSUS REACTIVE IN THE FUTURE AND THAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY I WANT TO WATCH. HISTORICALLY THESE ARE JUST RUNNING TRANSITS FROM WHAT THE DEPARTMENT INCURS AS FAR AS OUR RESPONSE TO THESE IMPACTS. THE AVERAGE OF THE 16 MAIN STORMS WE HAVE SPENT $445 MILLION PER RESPONSE. HERE'S WHAT HAS HAPPENED. THERE'S USUALLY A KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A EMERGENCY REPAIR AND A DEPARTMENT REPAIR. THEY ARE BOTH FOCUSED ON REPLACING THE TIDE. THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN PHILOSOPHY. AND FEDERAL HIGHWAY NOW ALLOWS THAT IF WE CAN COME UP AND DEVELOP PROACTIVE SOLUTIONS IN THE BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS AND THE DOLLAR VALUE IS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAN A LONG TERM RECURRING COSTS, THEN THEY WILL FUND THAT AND THAT IS A LONG-TERM OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE BASICALLY REACHED. IF YOU FORECAST A RATE PERIOD OF MEASURE DETERMINED BY FEDERAL HIGHWAY, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND $9 MILLION. ARE COASTAL ARM AND IT SOLUTION AT THE IMMEDIATE $16 MILLION, WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE CAN REDUCE THAT OPPORTUNITY IMPACT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE AGAIN. IF THE ROAD WASHES OUT, WE WERE STORE AT. WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN $6.5 MILLION TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR THE STRETCH. YOU SAY, WHAT IS THAT? YOU HAIR OUR PARTNERS TO THE SOUTH. THEY ARE BUILDING WHAT WE CALL A SECOND WALL. IT IS AN EXPOSED WALL. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IS AN EXPOSE FACE BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WATERLINE AND THE ROADWAY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH VILANO IS WE WANT TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS IN THE SENSE WE WILL MAINTAIN THAT YOU SHED. WE WILL ALSO ENSURE THE BEACH ACCESS. THE SOLUTION WE ARE GOING TO DELIVER IS A SHEET WALL AND WELL BELOW FINISHED GRADE. SO THE IDEA IS IT WILL BE ARMORED FROM THE WATERSIDE. BACK TO THE ROADWAY, IT WILL BE PROTECTED IS THE PREMISE. AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE SCHEDULE, WE ARE HASTILY GOING TO THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW AND ANTICIPATE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION SOMETIME EARLY NEXT YEAR. SO WE WANTED TO SPOTLIGHT THE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE ARE MAKING INVESTMENT IN VILANO. WE WANTED TO TO DESTROY THAT THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE THAN WE PREVIOUSLY HAD. AND IT REQUIRES DOCUMENTATION AND INVESTMENTS THAT YOU HAVE MADE, WHETHER IT BE TIME SHEETS OR MATERIALS OR COST ANALYSIS. WE HAVE DONE THAT. ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS HIGHLY AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY STAFF. SO, WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YES. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. >> YES. SINCE I HAVE YOU HERE FOR A1A, I WANT TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. VILANO BEACH, WHEN THAT WASHED OUT, YOU GUYS REALLY DID REPLACE THAT IMMEDIATELY. THE PEOPLE CROSSING A1A DOWN IN THAT AREA -- AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF A PATH ALONG THE THAT PEOPLE CAN USE. I KNOW WE ARE MAYBE DISCUSSING SOME CROSSWALKS AND THERE. IF YOU COULD DISCUSS THAT. I ALSO HAVE CONSTITUENTS CALLING ME FROM MICHAEL ARE IN SOUTH. WE NOW HAVE MAYBE 10 TO 15 NEW HOMES IN THERE AND WE HAVE THAT SPEED LIMIT COME DOWN TO 45. THEY ARE GOING TO START DOING A PETITION FOR THAT, AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE TWO COMMENTS FROM YOU.

>> OKAY. I DID ASK FROM A UPDATE FOR OUR TRAFFIC GROUP. I AM GOING TO RELAY THAT INFORMATION. THERE ARE

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ONE AT THIRD. AND ONE AT SURFSIDE. SO IN TOTAL THERE ARE SEVEN. SEVEN LOCATIONS AND FIVE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING. AS FAR AS THE SPEED, THE POSTED SPEED IS BASED ON THE STATUS TORY OBLIGATION OF THE 85TH PERCENTILE. THE OPPORTUNITY WHAT ARISE TO THAT IN D.O.T. DOING THAT SPEED STUDY. THAT WOULD PREDICATE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH

[Deletions to Consent Agenda]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> OH, YES. I ONLY WANT TO PULL THIS ONE BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS COMING BACK IN FRONT OF US. I HAD SOME CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT

SO NUMBER 21, PLEASE. >> OKAY. 21. OKAY. SO WE PAID A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. 21 CAN BE ITEM 1A. CANCEL? CAN WE

MOVE TO 1A? >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NONE. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY. WE WILL NOW OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CONSENT RECORD ITEMS. YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE

MINUTES. >> MICHAEL MCDONALD. WINSLOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PULL THE WORKFORCE HOUSING OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND POSSIBLY PRESENT IT TO US BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH WORKFORCE HOUSING QUESTIONS AND INFORMATION THAT COULD BE OUT THERE. I AM SURE EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT COME OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> I JUST WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT ACTUALLY TWO OF

THE -- >> NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> SORRY. NICOLE CROSBY.. ROAD.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PARKS. THE COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD ABOUT A YEAR AGO. ABOUT THE PARKS. WE WERE ALL INVITED TO GIVE OUR INPUT. NOW I SEE AN ITEM. I AM ASSUMING NAMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED. I WISH WE WERE INFORMED ABOUT WHAT PARK WAS RENAMED TO WHAT. I ONLY SEE THAT NORTHWEST PARK IS HAVING THE SAME NAME. CAN I ASSUME SILVERLEAF PARK AND NOCATU PARK HAVE BEEN RENAMED. I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR CONSTITUENTS TO KNOW. AT THEY ARE CHANGING THE NAMES OF THE PARKS, TO NOT USE THE DEVELOPERS NAMES IS A GOOD THING. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT CLEARED UP. THE OTHER THING IS MY CONFUSION IS ACTUALLY COMPOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT A REPRESENTATIVE, ACTUALLY, OF TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS -- A CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR DEAN STATED IN SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THE SCHOOLS AND PARKS -- AND SHE WAS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO SILVERLEAF MOSTLY CUT -- SCHOOLS AND PARKS WILL BE PAID BY THE IMPACT FEE BY THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN SILVER FEE. NOT A RESIDENT ON NICK ROAD. SO I AM CONFUSED BECAUSE LIKE SCHOOLS AND PARKS ARE GOING TO BE PAID BY IMPACT FEES, BUT I ASSUME THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL LEAD TO US PAID FOR ALL THESE PARKS. SO SHE TOLD ME I AM MISREPRESENTING THE TRUTH BY SAYING TAXPAYERS WILL PAY FOR SCHOOLS AND PARKS. I THINK WE ARE. SO I REALIZED THE DEVELOPERS ARE CONVEYING THE LAND. I GET THAT. THAT IS NICE.

BUT IT DOES NOT COME CLOSE TO THE COST OF DEVELOPING THE LAND. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS CLARIFIED. THIS PARK IS FIRMLY THIS PARK AND IS REFERRED TO BY THAT NAME ARE THE SAME AND THIS MANY ACRES. DOES CLARIFY IT AND LET US KNOW THE COSTS. YOU

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>> I AGREE. I AM CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO ITEM 20, THE LETTER OF COMMITMENT FROM THE EPA CLIENT POLLUTION CONTROL GRANT. WHERE IS THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ACCOMPANY THE ADMINISTRATIVE LETTER? THIS NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM AND TAKEN OFF OF THE AGENDA. WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO SEEK FUNDING FOR FROM THE EPA CLIMATE POLLUTION CONTROL GROUP? DO YOU ALL HAVE IT? THEY HAD NOT TOLD YOU EITHER? THAT IS A PROBLEM. WE DO NOT HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN ST. JOHNS. AND AS MS. CROSBY SAID, WE ALMOST MISSED THE DEADLINE ON THIS GRANT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRANT PROGRAM IN THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, NOT ONE REPUBLICAN IN HOUSE OR SENATE VOTED FOR THAT LAW. NOT ONE. I WANT TO THINK DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR APPROVING THESE LAWS THAT WILL MAKE OUR ECONOMY CLEANER AND OUR ECONOMY GROW. AND WHY ARE WE DOING THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE? WHERE IS THE PLANNING FUNCTION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? WE ALMOST MISSED A GRANT DEADLINE. IS VERY PRINCIPLED REASON FOR ANY OF THIS? PLEASE TAKE ITEM 20 OFF THE AGENDA AND LET'S HAVE THE STAFF GIVE US RIGHT NOW THE LIST OF PROPOSED COUNTY PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO REDUCE CLIMATE IMPACTS AND GREENHOUSE GASES. IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK? YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE THAT. THAT IS WHY YOU GET THE BIG BUCKS AND ARE UP THERE IS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. YOU NEED TO DEMAND BETTER WORK FROM YOUR STAFF. IT HAS BEEN ALMOST 25 YEARS. 25 YEARS ON NOVEMBER THAT 5TH, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A KABUKI DANCE AT THE COUNTY IN BOTH CITIES AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. YOU ALWAYS PRAISE YOUR STAFF. YOU SAY THEY HUNG THE MOON. NO. THEY DID NOT HANG IT UP IN. WE HIRE MEDIA ARE CHRISTIE'S. SOME DID NOT EVEN APPLY FOR THE JOB. THIS COUNTY ATTORNEY DID NOT EVEN APPLY FOR THE JOB. NOT EVEN A BACKGROUND CHECK. YOU DO A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THE GUY THAT PICKS UP YOUR GARBAGE. BUT NOT HENDERSON CONRAD A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A BRIBERY CASE. AN INDICTMENT IN CHICAGO. IT IS KIND OF LIKE MY MOM SAID WHEN I WENT OFF TO COLLEGE AND I VISITED HER. SHE SAYS, I AM SURROUNDED BY BUREAUCRACIES. ONE-PARTY RULE IS WRONG. AND THIS BUSINESS OF LAST MINUTE MEDIOCRE STAFF PERFORMANCE --

[Approval of Consent Agenda]

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> TO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS APPROVED?

[Additions/Deletions to Regular Agenda]

>> SO MOVED. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES, 5-0. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ARMED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. ANY PHYSICIANS TO THAT REGULAR

AGENDA, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER ELAME L? >> THIS ONE MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OUR VETERANS IN THIS COMMUNITY. I MET WITH COLONEL BILL DUNKLEY LAST WEEK AND HE WAS TELLING ME ALL THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING WITH VETERANS VILLAGE. IT USED TO BE A HOTEL. AND I AM JUST REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE VETERANS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY DO HAVE SOME OPERATING EXPENSES THAT ARE COMING FORWARD AND I DID INVITE MR. COLONEL BUILD UGLY HERE TODAY AND I BELIEVE HE WILL BE COMING DURING GENERAL COMMENT. BUT I WANTED TO GET THIS FORWARD

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THE COMMUNITY. >> OKAY. WOULD THIS BE ASKING

FOR AN AGENDA ITEM? >> YES.

>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO PUT IT ON THE

[Approval of Regular Agenda]

>> YES. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST? >> I HAVE NONE, MADAM CHAIR.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE. SORRY. WE NEED A

[1. Regional Park and Community Service Center Plan. ]

MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY. LET'S PLEASE VOTE.

AND THAT IS APPROVED, 5-ZERO. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 1.

MR. KANE, GOOD MORNING. >> RYAN KANE. DIRECTOR OF PARKS OPERATION. I AM HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO PARKS AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. JOINING ME TODAY WILL BE GREG CALDWELL FROM PUBLIC WORKS IN JESSE DUNN FROM THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET. WE WILL GO OVER TODAY THE PARK INVESTMENT PLAN THAT HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO BY THIS COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT IS INCORPORATED IN FOLLOW-UP FROM THEIR NEW FOLLOW-UP PLAN THAT INCLUDES FIVE LOCATIONS, AND I WILL CLARIFY FROM PREVIOUS COMMENTS THAT THE CENTRAL SPORTS COMPLEX WAS THE -- NORTHWEST HAS BEEN CALLED NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST HAS BEEN CALLED NOT CONTINUAL THERE IN THE EXPANSION. CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE, FINANCING FOR THE PARKS, AND SEABOARD DIRECTION. THE STORY STARTS OFF WITH THE PARK INVESTMENT PLAN THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS MADE TO THE COUNTY. SINCE 20 2021, INVESTMENT IN THE EXPANDING PARK SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH NEW AND EXISTING PARKS COMING TO OVER $100 MILLION IN INVESTMENT. HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF INVESTMENTS MADE IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS. THE BOARD ALSO ADDITIONALLY STARTED WITH APPROVAL OF THE OLD SPORTS CONTRACT FOR A MASTER PLAN IN JUNE OF 2022 FOR THE FOUR NEW PERKS TO BECOMING ONLINE. A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE CURRENT INVESTMENT FROM THE FLORIDA COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PARKS.

AND AT THE NORTHWEST REGION HIGHLIGHTED HERE THAT THE MILLCREEK PARK THAT IS BEING BUILT CURRENTLY ON STATE ROUTE 16, EXPENSIVE PARKING AT RIVERDALE VOTE RAMP, AND RESTORATION FOR THE ALPINE SHORELINE, ADDITIONALLY WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, MILLS FIELD LIGHTS HAS BEEN REDONE. AND A NEW FACILITY AT PLANTATION PARK. IN THE NORTHEAST REGION, A COUPLE OF PROJECTS. THERE IS THE RIVERDALE VOTE RAMP. AND BEACH PARK IS BEING RECONFIGURED AND REDESIGNED IN THE CONSTRUCTION IS NEARING THE END RIGHT NOW. AND ADDING PARKING ALONG A1A. ADDITIONALLY IN THIS SISTER, A NEW FIELD AT DAVIS PARK AND THE VOTE RAMP IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN IN THE SOUTHEAST REGION IS CRESCENT BEACH PARK. A NEW PLAYGROUND. THE PURCHASE OF THE JENNA BAR ALSO KNOWN AS THE VOTE RAMP PARCEL.

ADDITIONALLY, ENHANCEMENTS TO VICTORY PARK AND RETURN OF GAMBLE ROGERS. AND IN THE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT IS A BRAND-NEW COMMUNITY CENTER AT FLAGLER STATE. THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS IN RENOVATION AND IMPROVEMENT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOLF COURSE. AND, ADDITIONALLY, UPGRADES TO THE FAIRGROUNDS.

SHADE ON THE PLAYGROUND AT THE WE HARRIS COMMUNITY CENTER. I PRESENT THE LOWEST TO YOU IN THE FOUR REGIONS THAT IMPACT FEES ARE COLLECTED. SO THAT IS THE NORTHWEST-NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST-SOUTHWEST AS WELL. ADDITIONALLY, ENGAGEMENT WAS INVOLVED IN COMING UP WITH A FUTURE PLAN FOR THE FOUR NEW REGIONAL PARKS. THE COMMISSION APPROVED FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO WORK TO A MASTER PLAN INITIATIVE. INVOLVED IN THAT WAS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, IN WHICH WE RECEIVED OVER 4000 RESPONSES FROM THE SURVEY. WE HELD TWO PUBLIC WORKSHOP MEETINGS. WE

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AND WE ARE LOOKING ALSO TO EVALUATE LIBRARY SERVICE NEEDS AND GAPS IN THEIR SERVICE ALONG WITH POTENTIAL TO COEXIST WITHIN PUBLIC PARKS BASIS. JUST TO QUICKLY GO OVER EACH OF THE FOUR SITES, THIS IS THE CENTRAL ST. JOHNS SPORTSPLEX. THIS SITE WAS DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY IN 2020. THERE ARE FIVE FIELDS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF ON IT. AND TO INCREASE PLAYABILITY FOR THE YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS AN OVERLAY OF BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL AT THIS SITE. TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THOSE SPORTS AND/OR ADDITIONAL NEEDS WOULD INCLUDE OUR FIRST PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE TRACK. THAT IS NOT ON SCHOOL GROUNDS. THE NEXT SITE IS NOT -- IT IS ACROSS THE STREET. THIS WAS DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY IN 2015. THIS IS DEFINITELY CENTERED MORE AROUND COMMUNITY USE. WALKING TRAILS. PICKLE BALL. BASKETBALL. COMMUNITY CENTER TO HOST SUMMER CAMPS AFTER SCHOOL ALONG WITH THE EARLY VOTING. COVERED BASKETBALL. OPENED RECREATIONAL FIELDS. THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR LARGEST REQUEST. THIS IS A ORGANIZE PROCESS. WE ALSO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE AMPHITHEATER TO ALLOW AND HAVE THE SITE DESIGNED TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC SPACE IN THE NORTHWEST REGION.

THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE PLAYGROUNDS AND THEN THE POTENTIAL FOR OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICES, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR LIBRARIES. ADDITIONALLY, NORTHWEST COMMUNITY PARK WAS DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY IN 2005. THIS DESIGN HAS FOUR BASEBALL/SOFTBALL FIELDS, SIX. BALL COURTS, VOLLEYBALL, WALKING PATHS, A COMMUNITY CENTER, AGAIN, WITH THE POSSIBILITY FOR ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY SERVICES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. NORTHEAST COMMUNITY PARK WAS DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY IN 2015. FOUR SOFTBALL FIELDS THAT COULD BE CONVERTED TO BASEBALL IF NEEDED BUT DESIGNED INTENTIONALLY FOR SOFTBALL. SIX PICKLE BALL. VOLLEYBALL. TWO MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS. WALKING TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE SITE. AND, AGAIN, A COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANSION UPON THAT. COMMUNITY CENTERS WOULD ALSO SERVE THE GROWING DEMAND OF OUR SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS. WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM FELL INSTANTLY WITH A LOTTERY AND MOVE FORWARD. WE HAD OVER 400 USERS THAT WERE ON THE WAITLIST THAT DID NOT MAKE IT TO SUMMER CAMP. AND THEN DAVIS PARK WAS THE LAST SITE THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND THIS WAS REALLY DESIGNED TO THE GOAL OF EXPANDING CAPACITY. SO TRANSITION OF SOFTBALL FIELDS TO BASEBALL. THE CONVERSION OF SOME OF THE GRASS SPACES TO ARTIFICIAL TURF AND ADDITIONAL PARKING AMENITIES AT THIS SITE.

>> GOOD MORNING, ADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS. WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE TIMELINE FOR THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. BACK IN 2022-23, WE BROUGHT ON SPORTS AS MR. KANE ALLUDED TO. THERE HELPING US WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLANNING OF THESE FIELDS AS WELL AS THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING OF THESE PROJECTS. THE NEXT BIG MILESTONE WE HAVE WITH THOSE SPORTS IS THE SET OF LANES DUE AT THE END OF MAY.

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MOST OF THE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE DELIVERED IN THE YEAR '25 AND FINISHING UP IN THE YEAR '26. SO WE HAVE BETWEEN 24 AND 30 MONTHS. WE SHOULD PREPARE TO SEE THIS IN PLAY. SO 30 MONTHS FROM NOW GIVES US TO THE END OF 2026. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY, VERY CLEAR. BUT WE SUSPECT WE HAVE HAD A GREAT TEAM THAT WILL DELIVER THIS PROJECT FOR US. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CALDWELL. MR. KANE? THAT BRINGS US TO MR.

DUNN. >> I WILL TAKE THIS BACK TO EARLIER ABOUT THE PRESENTATION AND THE PROJECTS. WE HAD $100 MILLION PLUS IN PROJECT INVESTMENT FROM 2021-2024. IT ALSO ADDS TO THE GREEN POWER THAT ARE GOING TO FUND THIS MOVING FORWARD. PARKING FEES HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING THESE PROJECTS. COMMISSIONERS HAVE LEVERAGED THE USE OF IMPACT FEES IN THIS COMMUNITY. I WILL SAY OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN VERY DELIBERATE IN THEIR UTILIZATION AND ITS UTILIZATION OF PARK IMPACT FEES FOR LARGER PROJECTS LIKE THIS. SO WE HAVE CERTAINLY UTILIZED THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS PARK IMPACT FEES TO THE MAX. CERTAINLY THE LAND WE HAVE USED FOR MANY OF OUR PROJECTS AND THE PROPOSED PROJECTS TODAY, MR. KANE MENTIONED, NORTHEAST BUT NOW WEST, SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST, THOSE LANDS WERE CONVEYED TO DEVELOPERS. IT IS CERTAINLY LEVERAGING FOR OUR INVESTMENTS. OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, A LOT OF THESE ARE ON CONSENT. THEY ARE LEVERAGING VARIOUS GRANT PROGRAMS, INCLUDING THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT HAS BEEN UTILIZED TOWARDS PARKS AND RECREATION AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL GRANTS, INCLUDED HERE RESILIENT FLORIDA. YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDST OF FLORIDA COMMUNITIES TRUST GRANT PROGRAM. THE SAINT AUGUSTINE PORT AND WATERWAY. LAND AND WATER CONSERVATION AS WELL AS FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION GRANTS. SO THEY CAN KIND OF CREEP UP IF YOU WILL TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THEY REALLY HELP WITH THE STORY TOGETHER LEVERAGING THESE DIFFERENT DOLLARS TO GET THESE PROJECTS COMPLETED. AS WELL AS PARKS AND RECREATION,, AGAIN, EXTREMELY TIGHT AND WILL SAY -- CONSERVATIVE. UTILIZING AND LEVERAGING THEIR TOUR'S DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS. THEY HAVE CATEGORY THREE, WHICH IS THE LACK CREATION AND REGIONAL CATEGORY. SO IT HAS BEEN A BATTLE THAT WE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

MORE DOLLARS IN THERE. ALAS, THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THAT BUT THEY HAVE BEEN LEVERAGING THOSE WORDS PROJECTS. IT IS QUITE A FEAT FOR THAT DEPARTMENT. SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT MR. KANE AND MR. CALDWELL JUST DISCUSSED, WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT A FINANCING PLAN. AGAIN, LEVERAGING SOME OF THE SAME DOLLARS. WE WOULD BE LEVERAGING IMPACT FEES IN TAURUS DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS AND WE WOULD BE LEVERAGING FOR THIS PARTICULAR FINANCING. WHAT WE CALL STATE REPENTED REVENUES ON THIS. BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND A COMBINATION OF, AGAIN, ACCUMULATED IMPACT FEES, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR FEES, TO FUND

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AGAIN, GREAT UTILIZATION BY YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ON THESE -- ON THESE ALTERNATIVE REVENUES. AND ONE BULLET WE DID NOT PUT UP HERE AND WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT IS VERY ROBUST GRANTS AND LEGISLATIVE. THE PURSUIT OF THE AST YEAR OR YEAR AND A HALF HAVE BEEN A GAME CHANGER FOR US. AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE SHOW UP AS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AND A VERY POWERFUL ABILITY TO LEVERAGE THESE OUTSIDE REVENUES. SO, WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT BACK.. I AM NOT GOING TO HAND THIS BACK JUST YET. WE ARE CERTAINLY COGNIZANT JUST IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE ALSO AWARE OF THE COST AND FULL BUILD OUTS -- I AM SORRY. PARKS AN ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS ARE ESTIMATED AT ABOUT $1.3 MILLION ANNUALLY. BUT, AS WELL, WE ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THERE ARE ADDITIONAL USER FEES AS WELL AS TOURNAMENT REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN OFFSET THOSE COSTS. AND, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE LOCATION CONCEPTS WHICH ALSO IN TERMS OF COST SAVINGS, CO-LOCATING, IFTHAT IS THE DESIRE, SAVES TREMENDOUSLY ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN HERE. ROADWAYS.

DRIVEWAYS INTO PARKING LOTS. SECURITY. HVAC SYSTEMS. THERE IS CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY WITH CO-LOCATING. THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOT WITH THE HIP BUT WE ARE STAYING HIGH ON THAT. WE HAVE CONSIDERATION FOR CO-LOCATION. SAVINGS RATHER THAN BUILDING SEPARATE FACILITIES BUT THOSE COSTS ARE HERE AS WELL. AT THIS POINT, I AM GOING TO HAND THESE BACK OFF

TO RYAN. >> ONE QUESTION. MAY I ASKED BEFORE HE LEAVES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SLIDE? ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. MAYBE I AM JUST CONFUSED BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CO-LOCATING. IS THAT THE BASIS FOR HAVING THE PART OF THE 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS OF OPERATING FOR THE LIBRARY

STAFF? >> ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR. SO THAT IS SORT OF A HIGH NUMBER DEPENDING ON WHERE THE COMMISSION WANTS TO GO WITH THIS. BUT IF THERE WAS A CO-LOCATION AND IT DID INCLUDE LIBRARIES, WE INCLUDED LIBRARY

STAFF. >> THANK YOU. I THOUGHT SO.

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>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> JESSE, TOO. SO JUST TO AKE IT CLEAR, YOU WOULD BOND THE WHOLE AMOUNT YOU ARE USING

IMPACT FEES FOR SOME OF IT? >> SO, YES. WE ARE GOING TO PAY DOWN SOME OF IT. IN THIS BOX APPEAR ON THE LEFT IS ABOUT $123 BILLION. AGAIN, I HATE TO EVEN PUT THAT COST OUT THERE JUST YET BECAUSE WE ARE AT 30% COST ESTIMATE DESIGN ON THESE PROJECTS. AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE SUMMER, WE ARE GOING TO SEE WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE. WE ARE GOING TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THE DOLLARS THIS COMMISSION HAS ALREADY LEVERAGE TO BRING DOWN

THIS BAR. >> SO THAT IMPACTS WERE GOING TO BE LEVERAGING, WE ALREADY HAVE THEM ARE WE HAVE TO PROVE MORE HOMES TO HAVE MORE IMPACT FEES?

>> BOTH. SO PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE ACCUMULATED. WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN IMPACT FEES. THEN THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING INVENTORY OF -- IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY WE HAVE TO IMPROVE FOR THE COMMISSION. BUT THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO IMPROVE ADDITIONAL BUT THERE IS AN INVENTORY OF HOME STILL COMING ON FOR WHICH WE ARE SEEING IMPACT FEES.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AND WE ARE BACK TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER. WE ARE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. MYSELF, MR. CALDWELL, OR MR. DUNN. AND WE SEEK BOARD GUIDANCE.

>> WELL, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS --

>> WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN

THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. >> HI. MY NAME IS ANNA RYAN. I LIVE AT 324 VL AVENUE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. WE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE CALLED NEW CHERYL WATER AND SPORTS PARK 2024 WHICH HAS 1.4 THOUSAND MEMBERS. ON OCTOBER 12, 2023, I EMAILED EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS A LIST OF 578 RESIDENTS NAMES WHO ARE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE THE FOUR PROPOSED COUNTY PARKS. ON APRIL 1, THIS YEAR, I EMAILED EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS AGAIN WITH A LIST OF 396 NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REQUESTING YOU TO APPROVE THE FOUR PROPOSED COUNTY PARKS. SINCE I EMAILED THAT YESTERDAY MORNING, THERE HAVE BEEN ANOTHER 58 NAMES ADDED TO THE LIST. I AM SURE YOU NOTICED THAT SEVERAL OF THOSE NAMES ARE NOT EVEN IN ST. JOHNS OR FLORIDA BUT FELT THE PROPOSED PARKS WAS A GOOD IDEA. MY TWO GRANDSONS ALSO SENT YOU TWO SHORT NOTES ASKING YOU TO BUILD A PARK IN SHEARWATER WHERE THEY CAN PLAY BASKETBALL AND PICKLE BALL. DID YOU KNOW THAT SINCE 1995, JULY THE OFFICIAL PARK AND RECREATION MONTH? PARKS ARE GATHERING PLACES FOR PHYSICAL GROWTH, COMMUNICATIVE AND SOCIAL SKILLS? PARKS ARE GOOD FOR PHYSICAL HEALTH AND STAYING FIT FOR CHILDREN, YOUTH, ADULTS, AND SENIORS. THAT IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT NOT ONLY TO BE BUILT NEAR OUR COMMUNITIES OF SHEARWATER AND CLEARLY, BUT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL FOUR PARKS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAVE HAD A LARGE INFLUX OF NEW PEOPLE TO OUR AREA IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AS EVIDENCED BY THEIR GROWTH AND NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES" IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PARKS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY HAVE NOT INCREASED. THE CLOSEST BASKETBALL COURT TO SHEARWATER AND SILVERLEAF IS AT VETERANS PARK, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 9.2 MILES AWAY. ALTHOUGH WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO REACH THE DESTINATION IN 21 MINUTES, THAT IS NOT INACCURATE ANYMORE WITH THE START OF THE 210 ROADWAY EXPANSION. WE DO NOT HAVE BASKETBALL COURTS IN SHEARWATER AND ARE EXCITED IF WE HAVE A BASKETBALL POST IN OUR DRIVEWAY. FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN, YOUTH, AND ADULTS WHO WANT TO PLAY BASKETBALL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING THESE FOUR PERKS. FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO PLAY PICKLE BALL, RESIDENTS WHO DRIVE TO VETERANS PARK IS NOT ALWAYS AN OPTION. IT IS DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN A SLOT TO PLAY. SEVERAL RESIDENTS WANT TO PLAY PICKLE BALL AND DRIVE 27 MILES. THEY WOULD ALSO APPRECIATE A PICKLE BALL COURT CLOSE TO HOME. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER VOTING YES FOR THE FUNDING CONSTRUCTION OF THE FOUR PROPOSED COUNTY PARKS.

I KNOW THE FOUR PROPOSED PARKS ARE NOT APPROVED TODAY. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE THE PROJECT IS CONSIDERED AGAIN. AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT LOSS TO THE COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTHERN PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THANK

YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. CHARLIE HUNT.

GUESS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS, YES. ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT CAME UP, IT WAS SHOWING -- IT WAS ASKED AT THE LIBRARY AND

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THEY DON'T USE THE SCHOOL OTHER THAN OPERATING HOURS.

BUT, BEHIND IT, THEY HAVE THE FIELDS THAT ARE DEPRIVED BECAUSE OF ALL THE EXPANSION. OKAY? BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT THINKING WHY WOULD YOU PUT A LIBRARY RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE COMMUNITY AND THEN THERE IS THE BIG FIELDS THAT ARE GOING ON MILL CREEK STATE. WHY DON'T THEY MOVE IT OVER THERE SO IT IS ALL EASILY ACCESSED? OKAY? IT IS ALL EASILY ACCESSED. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS. AND ANOTHER IS, YEAH, IF YOU MOVE INTO AN ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR OVER 3000 HOMES AND WORRYING ABOUT A PICKLE BALL COURT BEING BUILT, THEN TAKE IT TO THE DEVELOPERS. TAKE IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO OWN AT. OKAY? THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THAT IS WHY ME AND MILL CREEK ESTATES DO NOT ALL GET TOGETHER AND GO, WE NEED TO TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY TO GET US THIS INTO OUR ENVIRONMENT. ALL RIGHT? BUT, YEAH. HAVING COURTS, THAT IS FINE. BUT HAVING A LIBRARY STOCK INTO THAT SMALL LITTLE SPOT, WHERE IF ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT PASCATTI ROAD, IT WOULD NOT ATTRACT AS MANY AS IT SHOULD. IT SHOULD BE OUT IN A MORE OPEN ENVIRONMENT. SO ACCESSIBILITY IS A LOT EASIER.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. RYAN MEYER. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE COMMISSION FOR THE WORK ON THE PARKS. AS A 10-YEAR VETERAN WORKING IN PARKS, I THINK IT IS FANTASTIC WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY WIFE AND I ARE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE COUNTY.

WE WOULD BE PHILANTHROPISTS. WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS REGARDING LAND IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. NOW OWNED THAT LAND I WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMISSION WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME ZONING AND PERMITTING. WE WOULD LOOK TO DONATE ABOUT 20 ACRES. 10 THAT IS USABLE TO THE COUNTY SPECIFICALLY FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SOCCER FIELDS. OUR ESTIMATES ARE ABOUT ONE FULL-SIZED FIELD, THREE MEDIUM-SIZE FIELDS, AND THEN SOME SMALLER FIELDS IN THAT AREA. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PERMITTING AND ZONING EFFORTS FOR THE PROCESS. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR VISION TO ADD SOME FACED TO THE WEST AUGUSTINE AREA. AND WE ARE ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY. SO

THANK YOU. >> COME ON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS LAUREN WATKINS. WANTED TO SELF CIRCLE. 3280. AM ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE COUNTY RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. I AM HERE THIS MORNING TO EXPRESS MY HEART-FELT APPRECIATION FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THESE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, PARTICULARLY WITH THE CREATION OF THE FOUR NEW PARKS AS WELL AS PAST PARK INVESTMENTS. WE HAVE SEEN UNDENIABLE DEMAND FOR SUMMER CAMP SPACE AND ACTIVE RECREATION. AND THAT IS OUR TESTAMENT TO OUR COMMUNITIES VIBRANT SPIRIT AND HEALTH AND LEARNING AND TEAMWORK. THESE NEW FACILITIES ARE NOT JUST PARKS BUT THEY WILL ALSO BE THE GROUNDWORK FOR STRONGER, HEALTHIER, AND MORE CONNECTED COMMUNITIES. CAPACITY IS STRETCHED, AND THESE FOUR NEW REGIONAL PARTIAL BE A MUCH-NEEDED HAVEN FOR FAMILIES AS WELL AS SPORTS ENTHUSIASTS.

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>> HI. I AM HAROLD.DICKENS. 205 SENSEI POINT. I AM A STRONG PROPONENT FOR PHYSICAL FITNESS AS A COMPETITOR AT THE LOCAL, STATE, AND SENIOR GAMES. THE CENTRAL SPORTS COMPLEX AND ALSO THE CENTRAL DEPARTMENT WILL PROVIDE OVER 50% OF OUR SPORTS AND TO HAVE ST. JOHNS OFFER GAMES AND SPORTS. ALSO, I SUPPORT THE NORTHEAST COMMUNITY IS LOCATED IN NORTHWEST PARK.

ALSO, I WANT TO SAY THE TRACK AND FIELD THAT WE LOCATED AT THE CENTRAL SPORTS COMPLEX MAY OFFER IT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO BOTH THE SHEARWATER COMPLEX PARK -- THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT OFFERS ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. AND ALSO, AGAIN,, AGAIN, AS AN ACTIVE COMPETITOR FOR THE NATIONAL SENIOR GAME, I THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN REGULAR SOURCES TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CHUCK FORCIER. I MET 468 TALK OUT SHOWED IT ST. JOHNS. FIRST OF ALL, THIS PLAN IS AWESOME. WELL DONE, RYAN. CONGRATULATIONS. IT MAKES ME WANT TO BE A KID AGAIN AND GO PLAY. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SEAK AS A PARENT. I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF RAISING THREE KIDS WHO ARE NOW IN THEIR LATE TEENS AND EARLY 20S IN THIS GREAT COUNTY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE EDUCATION BUT ALSO THE PARKS AND RECREATION HAVE BEEN PHENOMENAL. AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE SHAPED TO MY KIDS HAVE BECOME OVER THE YEARS. THIS REMINDS ME OF 2005. I THINK I MADE A SIMILAR SPEECH WHEN WE WERE GROWING AND WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE. WE HAD THREE SPORTS, SOFTBALL, SOCCER, AND FOOTBALL ALL PRACTICING ON ONE FIELD. AND THE COMMISSIONERS AT THAT TIME HAD THE FORESIGHT TO APPROVE VETERANS PARK, EVERGREEN PARK, AND NORMAN PARK, WHICH REALLY HELPED US TO GROW. AND TO PLAY FREELY. SECONDLY, I WANT TO SPEAK AS THE PRESIDENT OF CREEKS ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. WE REPRESENT CLOSE TO ALMOST 5000 FAMILIES NOW PLAYING ALL SORTS OF SPORTS. SOFTBALL. BASEBALL.

FLAG FOOTBALL. ET CETERA. WE ARE AT A POSITION RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ARE STARTING TO TURN CHILDREN AWAY. JUST BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE FIELD CAPACITY. THE OTHER THING WE ARE STARTING TO DO IS MAYBE TO ADJUST WE ARE SHORT AND PRACTICES. WE ARE STARTING TO PUT TWO TEAMS ON A PRACTICE INSTEAD OF ONE TEAM.

IT IS REALLY SAD THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE KIDS TODAY DO NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT MY KIDS HAD BACK FIVE OR 10 YEARS AGO TO RECREATE AND HAVE SPORTS. SAID THIS PLAN ADDRESSES THOSE NEEDS. I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THIS. I HOPE YOU PASS THIS. BECAUSE IT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS COUNTY NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE THE AWESOME COUNTY THAT WE ARE SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE THE FORESIGHT THE COMMISSIONS HAD MANY YEARS AGO TO PASS THIS AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> CAN SHE GET THREE MINUTES, TOO?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> SHE WON'T NEED THEM.

>> THE MONEY. MY NAME IS EUGENE WILSON. AND THE PRESIDENT OF POND WE KNOW BALLS SOFTBALL.

LANDRY HAS BEEN A PART OF GIRLS SOFTBALL SINCE 2019 AND I BECAME THE LEAGUE PRESIDENT IN JANUARY 2023. I TRY TO RUN PPGS AS A PEOPLE-FIRST ORGANIZATION. PPGS HAS ONE 42 GIRLS IN OUR LEAGUE AND HAS GROWN AND GROWN EVERY SEASON. THREE DAYS A WEEK, THOSE 142 GIRLS HAVE TO SHARE TWO SOFTBALL FIELDS AND BATTING CAGES. EVERYONE THE PARKS AND REC HAS BEEN AMAZING

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KNOWING THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, I CONTACTED CREEK SOFTBALL ORGANIZATION AND ASKED THEM TO WE BRING OUR LEAGUE AND PLANT THEIR FIELDS THAT THEY. THEY SAID YES AND PLAY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE IN ST. JOHNS DO. THEY HELP EACH OTHER WHEN THEY NEED HELP. I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT TEAMS WON OR LOST FROM OUR LATE ABOUT 100% OF OUR LEAGUE WENT THERE AND IT WAS THE MOST EXCITING DAY IN OUR LEAGUE'S HISTORY. LAST WEEK, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM PARKS AND REC SHUTTING US DOWN FOR THESE UPCOMING DATES IN THE FALL. THERE ARE SIX DAYS ON SATURDAYS OUT OF 10 WEEKS IN THIS COMING FALL THAT THERE IS A BASEBALL TOURNAMENT AT DAVIS PARK. IT IS HARD TO KEEP THE FAMILIES IN OUR LEAGUE SATISFIED WITH SUCH LITTLE FIELD SPACE. WE AT PPGS ARE SO BLESSED TO HAVE SUCH GREAT FAMILIES. IN A SHORT WHILE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PRESS AN ORANGE BUTTON. YOU NOT PRESSING YES OR NO BUMPER WHAT IS RIGHT. WE ARE BUILDING ONE PARK RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE EASIEST VOTE YOU ARE EVER GOING TO HAVE. YOU CHOSE TO JOIN THIS BOARD TO SERVE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND YOU WANT TO LEAVE A LEGACY TO BE REMEMBERED. THIS IS YOUR LEGACY. AFTER THIS VOTE, NO ONE IS GOING TO HATE YOU. I WILL GET TO TELL YOU WHAT TO SAY. I DID WHAT WAS RIGHT. THANK YOU.

JOSEPH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOUR DAUGHTER A QUESTION. DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THE OLYMPICS?

I WANT TO KNOW YOU NOW. >> I AM SO PROUD TO BE HERE TODAY. NOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. WISE A 10-YEAR-OLD GIRL STANDING HERE? I AM HERE TO TELL YOU ABOUT MY SOFTBALL TEAM, THE LIGHTNING, AND GIRLS SOFTBALL. YOU MAY THINK THAT PPGS IS JUST LITTLE GIRLS PLAYING SOFTBALL. IT IS SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. IT IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS BUILT ON RELATIONSHIPS. I AM GROWING AND TRYING TO BUILD MORE RELATIONSHIPS. I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOME OF MY FAVORITE MEMORIES OF PLAYING WITH THE LIGHTNING. WE WENT TO THE CITY AND WAS ON THAT TEAM. I REMEMBER THE FIRST DAY WHEN WE GOT TO THE FIELD. MY BEST FRIEND AND I WERE SO EXCITED.

WE WON OUR FIRST GAME. WE WERE SO PUMPED UP. IT WAS THE BEST FEELING. WE WENT BACK TO NEXT SUMMER IN MY FAVORITE MEMORY FROM THAT YEARS WHEN WE WON GAME AFTER OUR PITCHER STRUCK OUT THE BACHER. WE JUMPED UP AND DOWN TOGETHER. THESE ARE JUST TWO MEMORIES THAT I HAVE. THERE ARE SO MANY MORE RELATIONSHIPS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR ALL OF US SO I THINK WE NEED THIS COMPLEX. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, WELL DONE. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

5712 WENT TO CIRCLE. I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS ON THE BOARD FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS DO. THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY PARKS AND REC FOR ALL YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. I FEEL LIKE I AM SOMEONE WHO HAS A LOT TO SAY. I AM THE PARENT OF TWO YOUNG CHILDREN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I'M ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF A FAST-GROWING ORGANIZATION. ARE CURRENTLY SERVING ABOUT 2000 MEMBERS. AS MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME SAID, WE ARE NOW IN BIG NEED OF SPACE. I CAN TELL YOU THE MAIN REASON THAT I CHOSE TO RAISE MY FAMILY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT IS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT IS A PLACE THAT COULD BE SAFE. UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE IT HAS HAD BEEN SAID BEFORE, THE LACK OF SPACE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS IS VERY LIMITED. I AM VERY GLAD TO SEE THERE IS A LOT OF LOCAL GROUPS OUT HERE TODAY VOUCHING FOR THIS. THIS THING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE WITHIN THIS COUNTY. SO, FOR ME, FOR MY FAMILY, I WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS TO VOTE FOR THIS. THIS IS THE EASIEST VOTE YOU WILL HAVE. NOT ONLY IS THIS NECESSARY BUT EXTREMELY

IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS ERIC HINKLE. I LIMIT TO 49 SCHELL BLUFF COURT. I AM COMING HERE FIRST AS A CITIZEN AS A PERSON WAS RAISED THREE CHILDREN AGES 18 TO 27, ALL OF WHICH PLAYED OR GREW UP UTILIZING THE PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEMS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND ALL OF WHICH FOUND FRIENDS. WE FOUND CONNECTIONS AND WE BUILT A COMMUNITY BASED ON PARTICIPATIONS IN THE PARKS

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WE ARE VERY HAPPY THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED. I AM ALSO HERE AS A PRESIDENT OF THE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH COUNTERDEMONSTR ATORS TO IDENTIFY RECREATE OF SOLUTIONS FOR A GROWING POPULATION WHOSE CHILDREN WANT TO PLAY SPORTS IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE FIELD TYPE CAPACITY IS LIMITED. OUR PARTICIPATION HAS GROWN 90% OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS AND IS WITHOUT US ADDING SPORTS AS WELL AS EXCUSE ME PURPOSELY HALTING GROWTH IN BASEBALL AND LACROSSE. AT THIS SAME TIME, OTHER SPORTS ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BLOSSOMED IN GROSS SUCH AS PICKLE BALL. SUCH AS VOLLEYBALL IN THE AREA. SO THERE IS A GROWING DEMAND NOT ONLY OUTSIDE FOR US TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR CITIZENS. THE NEED FOR THE NEW FACILITIES IS IMMEDIATE , OVERDUE, AND IT CALLS FOR CONSTRUCTION FROM THESE PARKS OF OUR MEMBERS. AS MR. KANE STATED, OUR MEMBERS MET WITH MULTIPLE COUNTY DEPARTMENTS IN A SERIES OF EXTREMELY COLLABORATIVE SESSIONS CONCERNING THIS PROJECT. WE ARE VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT A GOOD PORTION OF OUR FEEDBACK IS REPRESENTED IN THE FINAL PROJECT. I CANNOT COMMEND STAFF MORE FOR THEIR COLLABORATION AND COOPERATION IN THEIR REACHING OUT TO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT THIS PROPOSAL. THEY HAVE INSURED THAT THE PARKS HAVE HAD AMENITIES WHOSE BENEFITS REACH BEYOND OUR LOCAL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATIONS AS YOU HEARD IN THIS PRESENTATION. THE BENEFITS ARE REALIZED GOT CITIZENS IN MULTIPLE PARTS OF THE COUNTY AT THE SAME TIME. IN SHORT, THIS PROJECT, WE BELIEVE, IS VERY CONSERVATIVELY PLANNED, FINANCIALLY SOUND, AND VERY LONG OVERDUE. IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY ON BEHALF OF THE 5000+ CHILDREN WHO PLAY SPORTS UNDER THE ASSOCIATION HERE TODAY. I URGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

>> HI. I'M LISA CARBON. I LIVE AT 518 CARBON LANE. I'M HERE TO PIGGYBACK ON A BUNCH OF THESE COMMENTS. YESTERDAY I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS.

THIS MEETING. AND I AM PART OF THAT ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. I HAVE HAD THREE CHILDREN. A 12-YEAR-OLD, A 10-YEAR-OLD, AND AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD. I JUST RECENTLY GOT INVOLVED WITH THE CHEER ASSOCIATION. I ALSO COACH. AND MY HUSBAND IS ON THE ATHLETICS BASEBALL TEAM AS THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. SO WE ARE VERY ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO SUPPORT OUR CHILDREN. BUT IT IS ALSO MORE THAN JUST OUR CHILDREN. IT IS ALSO ABOUT THE OLDER AGING POPULATION. MY PARENTS GO INTO PICKLE BALL. THEY NOW RUN SOME OF THEIR ASSOCIATIONS IN THE AREA AND THEY HAVE TO FIND SPACE FROM COMMUNITY CHURCHES.

THEY GO EARLY IN THE MORNING AT 7:00 A.M. TO SHARE SPACE IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE. SO BEING ABLE TO OFFER WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO NOT JUST THOSE CHILDREN BUT TO PROVIDE VISUAL MENTORS FOR THE CHILDREN BY GETTING PARENTS INVOLVED IN SPORTS AND ATHLETICS -- JUST TO -- IT WILL IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. PROVIDES PLACES FOR OUR CHILDREN TO PLAY SAFELY, TO ENGAGE SAFELY, AND HOPEFULLY DECREASES THEIR LIKELIHOOD TO GET INTO DRUGS AND OTHER THINGS. WHEN I LOOK AT MY GIRLS ON THE CHEERLEADING FIELD, RIGHT NOW SPACE IS A PROBLEM. WE ARE CONSTANTLY BOMBARDED WITH LACROSSE BALLS, SOCCER BALLS, ADULT BALLS, WHILE THESE GIRLS ARE HOLDING EACH OTHER IN THE AIR THAT CAN PROVIDE AN INJURY, A SERIOUS INJURY, AND IT IS JUST NOT FAIR FOR US TO SAY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE ARE YOU CANNOT BE HERE. THOSE OTHER ATHLETICS WHETHER THEY ARE ADULTS OR CHILDREN DESERVE TO BE THERE TOO. SO PROVIDING MORE SPACE WILL KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE, KEEP OUR ADULTS SAFE, AND CONTINUE TO ALLOW ATHLETICS TO GO IN OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT NOW OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION MANAGES THE MAJORITY OF SPORTS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND A CHEERLEADER WHO IS AT SWISS POINT RIGHT NOW ON THE JV SQUAD HAS TO TRAVEL ALMOST 40 MINUTES FOR PRACTICE.

MOOREFIELD SPACES GO TO DECREASE THAT TIME IN THE CARS AND MAKE THEIR USE OF TIME WITH THEIR FAMILY AND THESE ATHLETICS SO MUCH MORE USABLE AND WORTHWHILE. THANK YOU FOR

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THIS WAY. THANKS. >> HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING OUR COUNTY SO WELL. I THINK WE ARE AT A CRITICAL JUNCTURE IN OUR

GROWTH. >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS? >> APOLOGIZE. CHRIS KREH GO.

890 PONOBEACHA BOULEVARD, PONOBEACHA BEACH. I COMMEND STAFF AS WELL. THEY HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB JUST UNDERSTANDING THE LIMITED RESOURCES WE HAVE AS FAR AS DOLLARS IN FIELD SPACE AS WELL. ONE THING I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO KNOW GOING FORWARD, FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SUCH WORK WITH DEVELOPERS ON IS ADDING ONE SMALL RECTANGULAR FIELD IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS BASICALLY USELESS. WE NEED THESE REGIONAL PARKS. IT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT ORGANIZED SPORTS CAN FUNCTION. I WILL NOTE MOST OF WHAT WE ALL REPRESENT OUR NONPROFITS WITH VERY LOW COST SOLUTIONS FOR ATHLETICS. ORGANIZED SPORTS HAS BEEN REALLY POPULAR NOW FOR THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS, AND IT IS GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD.

THIS GIVES YOU THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES, TAXPAYERS, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SIX TO EIGHT HOURS PER CHILD TO USE THESE FIELDS. I ALSO SEE FROM INVESTMENT FIRMS THAT WE DO PAY FEES BACK TO THE COUNTY FOR EVERY PERSON THAT WILL BE USING THE FACILITIES. SO THAT GOES BACK TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE COSTS IN THE FUTURE. SO YOU KNOW THIS PROJECT WILL GO 100% UTILIZED. WE ARE NOT SAYING BUILD SOMETHING AND INVEST 100 MILLION IN THESE PARKS AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. YOU KNOW THAT THIS INVESTMENT WILL BE UTILIZED 100% SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IMMEDIATELY. SO FROM ALL THE TAXPAYERS OUT THERE, THAT IS A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT USE OF DOLLARS FOR TAXPAYERS GOING FORWARD. SO I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS. I REMIND YOU THAT CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY WAS BUILT OVER 150 YEARS AGO, WELL BEFORE IT WAS A LARGE POPULATED ISLAND. ARE NOW ON THE VERY OPPOSITE END BACK. A VERY DENSE POPULATION GOING BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE PARKS AND FACILITIES AND EVENT SPACE AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS AND FOR ANY FUTURE PROJECTS PLEASE ALWAYS CONSIDER THAT SINGLE-USE RECTANGULAR FIELDS ARE USELESS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPARED TO THE LARGE SPACE WE ARE GOING TO USE ON THE SPORTS

SIDE. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. >> MICHAEL MCDONALD. WHEN SLOPE DIGGERS NEIGHBORHOOD. I AGREE THE SPACE WILL BE USED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK THOROUGHLY. YOU CAN BE ASSURED OF THAT. IT WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THE DINNER BELL TWO OVER DEVELOPED AREAS FOR THESE PEOPLE ARE DEVELOPING BASIC NECESSITIES AND BASIC LIBRARY AND PUBLIC FACILITIES. I MEAN, WE ARE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO RING THE DINNER BELL WITH APPROVING THESE.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS LOTS OF SPORTS ACTIVITIES IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO BE APPROVED. I KNOW THAT. I JUST HAVE GOT TO BRING UP THE ATTENTION OF WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO. THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE DEMAND ON THOSE PARKS THAN HUMANLY POSSIBLE. AND BY THE TIME THEY ARE BUILT, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE USING THEM. IF WE USED THE TREATY PARK EXAMPLE, LOOK AT KB HOMES AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. THERE IS NO TREES LEFT AROUND. THERE IS NO TREES LEFT AROUND TREATY PARK RIGHT NOW. LIKE, THERE USED TO BE WALKING TRAILS THERE. I AM SURE I CAN MENTION, RYAN, WE HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, INFORMS A COMMUNITY ON THE DECISIONS. I JUST ASK FOR A SIMPLE SIGN TO ENCOURAGE DOGS TO QUIT WALKING ON OUR PRETTILY GROUNDED I CANNOT EVEN GET A SINGLE SIGN. THIS GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MOVING A MUSEUM IN MY FRONT YARD. SO WHEN THE PARK IS THERE YOU WILL LOSE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR WHAT IS THERE. AND THEY WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO MANAGE IT IN WHATEVER WAY THEY WANT. WITH WHATEVER ENTITIES THEY WANT USE IT. AND THE PRICES OF ALL THIS STUFF. I MEAN, WE ARE USING THE MEASUREMENTS OF $700 SQUARE FOOT LIBRARY IN HASTINGS. WE CAN BUILD A HOSPITAL FOR MORE THAN THAT. WITHOUT A DOUBT WE CAN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE IS A CLEAR INITIATIVE. THERE IS NO PROPERTY TAX IS BEING USED ON THIS PROJECT. IF THEY ARE

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LET'S SAY NO PROPERTY TAXES TO BE USED ON THIS. AND MAKE SURE -- WHILE TALKING ABOUT THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH IS IN OUR RESERVOIR FOR WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY ACCUMULATED THAT YOU PLAN TO BUY DOWN THIS PACKAGE. TO SEE WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS WE HAVE GENERALLY ACCUMULATED. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A DINNER BELL.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WERE THAT LITTLE GIRL HAS LIVED. BY THE TIME SHE IS OF LEGAL AGE, CAN YOU IMAGINE THE PROPERTY VALUES? I WOULD SAY BY NOW ON KING STREET. WHEREVER YOU CAN FIND THE CHEAPEST PROPERTY, BY NOW BECAUSE THAT LITTLE GIRL WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIND BECAUSE MY HOME IS DOUBLED IN VALUE IN FOUR YEARS. YEAH. GOOD LUCK. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING.

FRANK MURPHY. 247 MILTON CIRCLE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, A SHARED COMMUNITY. ALSO SERVE ON THE CDD FOR TREVOR CREEK. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR BEING HERE TODAY. OUR COUNTY HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY SUCCESSFUL. I HAVE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS ONLY. THE CLEARWATER COMMUNITY PROBABLY HAD ABOUT 12 OR 1400 PEOPLE UP IN THE AREA IN 2020, AND NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 6000. AND THAT IS ONLY A LITTLE PIECE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. IN THE COUNTY IS SEEING, YOU KNOW, YOU SPEND THE MONEY FOR SCHOOLS TO TRY TO MEET THE GROWTH AND PARKS ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF ANY COMMUNITY. SO PLEASE APPROVE THIS. THE CHILDREN INS CLEARWATER, THEY NEED MORE OPPORTUNITY TO BE OUTSIDE. AND IT IS DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW. @MENTIONED FROM THE CLOSEST COUNTY PARK IS ABOUT NINE MILES FROM SHEARWATER. CONSIDERING THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, WE WILL NOT EVEN HAVE TO GET IN THE CAR TO GET TO IT. SO, ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR A GREAT JOB IN KEEPING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED IN PLEASE SAY

YES. THANK YOU. >> HI. MY NAME IS JUSTIN PALLAS. STONE COURT. I HAVE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 10 TO 12 YEARS. 10 YEARS AGO, I CAME HERE AND SPOKE ABOUT HOW WE WERE AT LEAST 10 YEARS BEHIND THEM PARKS AND HERE WE ARE 10 YEARS LATER SO NOW WE ARE 20 YEARS BEHIND. OUR ASSOCIATION IS -- SM PREVIOUS FOLKS HAVE MENTIONED -- WE HANDLE THE MAJORITY OF MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS. BACK IN 2009, MUCH BEFORE MY TIME WITH THE ASSOCIATION, THE CONCEPT WAS FOR US TO BE AN AFTERSCHOOL SPORTS PROGRAM THAT OPERATED AT THE SCHOOLS. SINCE 2009, WE HAVE PUT UP LARGE JILL-LIKE FENCES AROUND OUR SCHOOLS TO KEEP EVERYBODY OUT. WE NOW CHARGE EVERY ASSOCIATION REMEMBER OR EVER GROUP THAT WAS TO COME INTO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND USE THEIR FACILITIES. THIS HAS FORCED OUR ASSOCIATION TO LOOK ELSEWHERE AND DO OTHER THINGS. AND THAT PUSHED US OUT TO THE COUNTY PARKS. AND WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY PARKS, BUT WE HAVE OUTGROWN IT. WE OUTGREW IT 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE CAME UP OR THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE CAME TO US WITH THE IDEA FOR THE SAINT JOHNS MIDDLE SCHOOL ATHLETICS ASSOCIATION. OUR GOAL WAS TO BE THAT ATHLETICS PROGRAM. THEY WOULD LEAVE THEIR SCHOOL AND PARTICIPATE AT SPORTS ATTHE FIELD OUTSIDE THEIR SCHOOL.

MOST OF THE SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE FIELD SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. IT IS UP TO THE PARKS. WHAT THAT DOES THOUGH IS PREVENTS US FROM GETTING KIDS RIGHT AFTER SCHOOL INTO PLAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO HOME, THEY HAVE TO GET TRANSPORTATION TO A PARK. THE MAJORITY OF PARKS ARE TOO FAR AWAY FOR THEM TO GET THERE AT A REASONABLE TIME. WE HAVE MANY SPORTS THAT OPERATE WITH MULTIPLE TEAMS ON ONE FIELD. I WILL USE PLANTATION PARK FOR EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT TO BECOME AN EXAMPLE WITH THAT GOING DOWN TO HAVE THE TURF RENOVATED. WE ALREADY HAVE LIKE FOUR FOOTBALL TEAMS THAT USE THAT ONE FIELD ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR PRACTICE AND WE ALSO USE THAT LOCATION FOR GAMES. WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SPORTS FOR KIDS. WE HAVE OPENED SOME NEW THINGS LIKE BEACH VOLLEYBALL WITH A PRIVATE PARTNER IN TOWN.

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KIDS, 50,000 OF THEM. WE SERVICE ABOUT 8000 OF OUR KIDS.

EVERY OTHER ONE OF THESE ASSOCIATIONS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE KIDS THAT THEY RUN TO THE PROGRAM. WE NEED THE SPACE. WE

NEED IT BAD. THANK YOU. >> CALL CROSBY. 1169 ROAD.

FIRST, I WANT TO SALUTE ALL THESE PARENTS AND ADVOCATES FOR COMING OUT TODAY. I AM REALLY SO IMPRESSED WITH THEM. I DO NOT KNOW HOW ANYONE COULD NOT SUPPORT IT. I HAVE NO DOUBT WE WILL SEE FIVE YESES SHOW UP ON THIS BOARD IN A LITTLE WHILE.

OF THOSE FIVE YESES, THREE OF THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR THOSE FIVE TOLD US THAT WE CANNOT HAVE THOSE PARKS WITHOUT A 15% SALES TAX INCREASE. SO WE NEED TO BEAR IN MIND THERE ARE CITIZENS HERE WHO OF THE COUNTY'S FEET TO THE FIRE AND SAID NO, WE DO NOT NEED THAT. NOW MR. DUNN AND OTHERS HAVE FOUND CREATIVE WAYS TO PAY FOR THESE PARKS. I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD REFLECT ON HOW WE GOT HERE AND ON THE FACT THAT WE WERE AT ONE POINT TOLD THERE IS NO PLAN B. PAY A 15% SALES TAX.

WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO STAND STRONG NOT ONLY IN SUPPORTING OUR CHILDREN BUT LOOKING OUT FOR OUR OWN BOTTOM LINE. THANK

YOU. >> 168 CHAMP COAT DRIVE.

FLORIDA. AS A FATHER OF THREE KIDS, I TEACH THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION AND ESPECIALLY PHYSICAL EDUCATION. IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO PARKS AND REC FOR THE TIME AND PLANNING AND DILIGENCE THAT GOES INTO IT BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT AS A TEAM. I KNOW YOU HAVE TAKEN SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS. AS A FATHER OF TWO KIDS, TWO THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT -- REALLY THREE. JUST REFEREED AN INTERNATIONAL SOCCER TOURNAMENT IN ORLANDO. LOCATION. LOCATION.

LOCATION. YOU HAVE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN ST. JOHNS EVEN THOUGH IT IS GOING TO KEEP GROWING AND KEEP GROWING. WE HAVE GOT OUR BORDERS. SO PUTTING THIS PLACES IN WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO GET UTILIZED IS A NO-BRAINER. I WOULD ALSO SAY OVER PLAN WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING. I HAVE BEEN TO THE FLORIDA PRIME TOURNAMENT FOR SOCCER AND IT IS BEAUTIFULLY RUN. THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB. ALSO DAVIS PARK HAVE HAD SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, GIRLS LIKE FOOTBALL GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. NOW THEY HAVE GOT THEIR BIG TOURNAMENT GOING ON AS WELL. IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO OVER PLAN ON PARKING, PLEASE, PLEASE DO THAT. IT MAKES IT AMAZING WHEN THERE IS ONE INTEREST IN AND ONE ENTRANCE OUT. ALSO THE PLANNING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT AND THE GOAL OF THIS IS FRIENDSHIPS. SAINT CHINESE COUNTY IS HUGE ON THAT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO JUST GET THE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FROM THE KIDS WE ARE TEACING THEM BUT YOU WILL GET IT FROM THE PARENTS AS WELL. THAT IS THE BIG THING. YOU ARE TESTING YOUR OWN CHARACTER AND YOUR OWN PATIENTS. YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT. WHILE YOU ARE PROVING THESE, AND WILL ALLOW US TO DO MORE BUT ALSO IN A STRUCTURED WAY SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, YOUR PLANNING, YOUR THOUGHTS. THIS HAS BEEN 10, 20, 30 YEARS GROWING UP IN ST. JOHNS AND PLAYING SINCE 1986. IT HAS BEEN A BLESSING TO SEE HOW THE COUNTY HAS GROWN. WEEK EACH IN THE NORTH END. MY WIFE TEACHES IN AN AFFLUENT AREA. WE JUST LOVE SEEING HOW IT AFFORDS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL AGE, ALL DEMOGRAPHICS, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS BUT ALSO SEEING THE ASSORTMENTS AND WHAT IT BRINGS IN FROM AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE. I'VE NEVER SEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HEY, LET ME BUY A HOME HERE OUR RENT HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT. GOD

BLESS. >> GOOD MORNING. 331 WINDSWEPT

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THEY WERE PRETTY WELL USED. NOW, THEY ARE OVERUSED. YOU HAVE OPENED UP TREATY PARK I BELIEVE LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO. I WAS JUST THERE MONDAY MORNING. THERE WERE SIX COURTS AND 64 PEOPLE. DO THE MATH HOW MUCH YOU CAN PLAY. I DON'T EVEN BOTHER GOING UP THERE ON A WEEKEND BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 80+ PEOPLE GENERALLY ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY MORNING.

FROM ABOUT 5:30 IN THE AFTERNOON UNTIL THE LIGHTS GO OUT AT 10:10, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER 60 OR 70 PEOPLE ON THE COURTS EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK. SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THE MONEY YOU HAVE SPENT HAS BEEN WELL SPENT. AND PEOPLE ARE MAKING USE OF IT. OKAY? ASIDE FROM JUST. BALL, THERE IS A YOUTH NECESSITY, AND THERE IS AN ADULT NECESSITY. AND I THINK FROM BOTH ASPECTS, YOU WOULD FIND THAT YOUR MONEY IS WELL SPENT. THE GENTLEMAN TALKED ABOUT SOCCER. I REFEREED FOR 35 YEARS. OKAY? I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN TOURNAMENTS WHERE THEY HAVE HAD 26 FIELDS. YOU DRAW A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO COME TO PICKLE BALL TORMENTS FOR EXAMPLE. I THINK THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.

WEIJIA BECAUSE THIS AS A COMMUNITY, OLD ST. AUGUSTINE, DRAWS PEOPLE. IT IS A OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY IT ENOUGH, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE PERSON SPEAK NEGATIVELY. I HOPE YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE MESSAGE. PLEASE SAY YES. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS LINDA HARRIS. 1074 ARDA MORE IN THE MEADOWS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WENT TO THINK MISS ARNOLD FOR HAVING WORKED WITH ME BEFORE IN OBJECTION TO THIS LIBRARY.

AND I WANT TO BRING IT UP AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK IT IS STILL ON BOARD. THIS IS A VERY TINY EIGHT ACRE WETLAND STRIP BETWEEN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND 400 HOMES, PRIVATE HOMES, WITH ONE IN AND ONE OUT ACCESS. THE TRAFFIC FROM THE CHANGING OF THE GUARD MORNING AND NIGHT , WE HAVE TO WAIT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE OR MAKE A DOCTORS APPOINTMENT JUST TO GET OUT BECAUSE OF THE TREMENDOUS BUSES THAT THEY ARE NOT HAVING IN THIS OVERCROWDED SCHOOL. FOR US TO BE ABLE TO APPLY A TINY LITTLE STRIP FOR A LIBRARY THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN COME TO, IT IS NOT PRIVATE, AND IT IS OPENED TO THE PUBLIC, AND WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE CHAOS 24 HOURS A DAY. IT WAS ALREADY BEING USED AS A POTTY PARK. PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THERE WITH THEIR SEMI'S OVER THE WEEKEND AND THE COUNTY HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY CAN STAY FOR 48 HOURS. SO I AM PLEADING WITH YOU, STOP THIS PROJECT. AND I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> GOOD MORNING. STEPHEN. MARSH DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. JUST LIKE I LIKE TO APPLAUD SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A DECADE. JUST LIKE MYSELF, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SPORTS FOR ST.

JOHNS COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME. AND LET'S REMEMBER THE MAIN THINK WE ARE DOING HERE WITH THIS. HOW MANY SCHOOLS HAVE WE ADDED OVER THE LAST DECADE? HOW QUICKLY HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO ADD THOSE SCHOOLS? WE ARE WAY BEHIND IN DOING THIS. WHEN I GREW UP PLAYING SPORTS, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY FREE. TODAY, WE

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THE COUNTY KEEPS INCREASING THE FEES AND YET WE ARE STILL SEEING OVERUSAGE OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES. HARDLY ANYBODY IS HERE. A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. THE MOMENT WE WERE ABLE TO REOPEN, PEOPLE WERE STORMING OUT. THEY CANNOT WAIT TO COME BACK OUT IN THE PARKS. IT WAS SO MUCH MORE USEFUL IN HAVING THE KIDS SIT ON THEIR PHONES AND DEVICES. SOMETHING THAT WE DID NOT HAVE WHEN WE WERE KIDS. SO I ALSO WANT TO THINK THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT FOR DOING A GREAT JOB BALANCING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT NEEDS. THE PRIME USERS ARE THE CHILDREN BUT YET WE HAVE SOME OTHER USAGES SO WE KEEP EVERYBODY SATISFIED. I THINK THE FINANCING IS WELL DONE. SO WE CAN REALLY PREPARE US FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS LATE. THANK YOU AND

LET'S GET THIS GOING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DANFORD DARRELL IN JOHN'S. I REPRESENT THE FACEBOOK PAGE WITH OVER 1400 RESIDENTS OF CENTRAL ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND WE THANK YOU -- EACH OF YOU -- FOR INFLUENCING OUR COMMUNITIES. AND THE SACRIFICES -- MANY SACRIFICES -- THAT YOU MAKE. YOU HAVE A VISION. YOU ARE PLANNING AHEAD WITH FORESIGHT. THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE NOW ARE GOING TO IMPACT THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT DECADE. WE KNOW THERE ARE GROWING PAINS. AND YOU HAVE URGENT NEEDS FOR THE FUNDS. BUT AS WE HAVE HEARD FROM MANY, MANY GOOD PEOPLE, THIS IS NOT JUST FOR THE KIDS. AND WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF SPORTS FOR DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER. BUT THIS IS FOR ALL AGES. EVEN FOR MARRIED COUPLES AND SENIORS. AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S ARE CONSIDERED NOW ONE OF THE BEST COUNTIES IN FLORIDA. AND WITH THE DECISION YOU ARE MAKING, YOU ARE SETTING A HIGH STANDARD AND OTHERS ARE TAKING YOUR EXAMPLES AND IDEAS OF THE WAY YOU ARE PLANNING OUR COMMUNITIES. THESE PARKS ARE ALSO TO BRING UNITY AS SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY. IT IS JUST FOR THE WELL-BEING AND DEVELOPING OF HEALTHY COMMUNITIES. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MORE THAN 1400 PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO SUPPORTING THE PARKS. THIS FACEBOOK PAGE WAS DEVELOPED ABOUT A YEAR AGO. AND THE NUMBERS, THIS REPRESENTS SEVERAL COMMUNITIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR THERE. AND IT IS STILL GROWING. THERE ARE SOME NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING UP. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF MORE FAMILIES COMING. SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR VISION. THANK YOU FOR THE PLANNING AND ALSO INCLUDING NOT JUST THE NEEDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE BUT THE SENIORS AND ALL RESIDENTS OF THE AREA,

SO THANK YOU. >> MATT WEISS. 408 STANLEY RHODES TRAIL. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT.

I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT RYAN AND HIS TEAM HAVE PUT FORTH FROM A PARKS PERSPECTIVE. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH ATHLETICS NOW FOR NINE YEARS SINCE I MOVED TO ST.

OHNS. ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESIDENT TO A BOARD MEMBER TO A PARENT. ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE AND LOOK AT IS WHAT IS BEST FROM A BASEBALL PERSPECTIVE. AS YOU GET OUT AND LOOK AT THE REST OF WHAT IS OUT THERE AND THE KIDS AND THE PARENTS AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING AND WHAT WINE HAS BEEN DOING IS NOT WHAT IS JUST BEST FOR ONE ORGANIZATION BUT FOR ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS. AND WE WERE HERE TWO YEARS AGO LOOKING AT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH GROWTH. AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS ON WHAT

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WE UNDERSTAND THAT. I WANT TO THINK THE COMMISSIONERS AND I WANT TO THINK RYAN FOR THE WORK HE HAS DONE TO THINK THROUGH THIS. I THINK IT WILL BE A HUGE ADVANTAGE TO THE COUNTY. WHEN YOU GO OUTSIDE THIS COUNTY AND TRAVEL TO ORLANDO ARE YOUR TRAVE, AS LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO, WITH THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT ARE THERE. THEY GOT THEIR PARKS FIRST. WE ARE THE OPPOSITE. WE KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN IN POSITIONS SOMEWHAT RECENTLY AND YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. I HOPE YOU ALL VOTE YES ON THIS AND I THINK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> CHUCK LEBEN. 714 NORTH LITERAL. I KNEW I DO NOT HAVE TO URGE ANY OF YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS BECAUSE IT WILL BE YES ACROSS THE BOARD. I WANT TO THANK RYAN AND HIS TEAM FOR AN AWESOME JOB IN PUSHING THIS THNG ON THE FAST-TRACK. I KNOW HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET MILL CREEK PARK STARTED. AND TWO CDS OTHER PARKS BEEN STARTED AND NOW IN THE PROCESS IT IS AWESOME. THE ONLY THING I ASK RYAN, YOU CAN PUT ONE MORE UP THERE. JUST ONE MORE. THAT IS WHAT WE TOOK AWAY FROM MILL CREEK. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE TENNIS, BASKETBALL, AND TRACK IN THAT PROGRAM. UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAD TO BE REDUCED. HOPEFULLY, IN THE NEW FUTURE, WE CAN COME UP WITH BASKETBALL AND TENNIS COURTS. THANKS.

>> I AGREE. 304 ST. AUGUSTINE.COM.

I THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR VOTE. I THINK IT HAS BEEN 22 OF US SO FAR AND I AGREE WITH MS. CROSBY.

WE DID NOT NEED A SALES TAX INCREASE AND WE DEFEATED IT . I PROMISE YOU WE WILL DEFEAT IT AGAIN. WE DON'T NEED A SALES TAX INCREASE OF 15%. NOW, SPEAKING OF PARKS, WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE ST. AUGUSTINE PARK AT NATIONAL SEASHORE AND THE CURRENT SHARE A PHILISTINE VETO SAID NO, WE CANNOT CONSIDER THAT. I AM STILL WANTING TO KNOW THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR ADMINISTRATOR SAY THAT THEY WERE AGAINST THE SAINT AUGUSTINE NATIONAL SECURITY OAK PARK AND SEIZURE? WAS PROPOSED FOR THE FIRST TIME AND IN 1979.

I AM SORRY. 1969. NO. I AM SORRY. WHAT?

>> '39. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I KNEW YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION. CAN YOU GET THE CR BE TO DO WHAT YOU ACTUALLY ASKED HIM TO DO AND ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEIZURE? I HAVE BEEN GOING TO THESE ST. JOHNS COUNTY MEETINGS EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR A LONG TIME. LONG TIME. 16 TIMES. JIM KING LIKED THE IDEA. BUT FOR THE REST OF THEM, THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE A SIGNER BUMPER STICKER ON THEIR FOUR HEAD THAT SAYS I WOULD RATHER BE SAILING. WHY NOT THEY TALK ABOUT THE ST. AUGUSTINE NATIONAL PARK AND NATIONAL SEASHORE. WOULD TAKE A LOT OF THE LAND ACQUIRED FOR THAT WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND IT IS BIGGER THAN CAPE COD NATIONAL SEASHORE. AND IN TERMS OF BRANDING, YOU CANNOT BEAT IT WITH A STICK. NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE. IT JUST RUNS OFF THE TONGUE A LOT EASIER. 19 SYLLABLES ON THOSE BROWN SIGNS ON THE INTERSTATE. CAN WE TALK ABOUT BRANDING? CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEIZURE? CAN WE ACTUALLY KEEP SOME OF OUR PROMISES TO THE PEOPLE FOR PARKS? APPARENTLY THE TEA PARTY

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>> BJ COLANE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. IT IS NOW AFTER 11:00, FOLKS. I PURCHASED THE POWERPOINT THAT MR. DONE PRESENTED TO US. SOMEONE ELSE SAID NO PROPERTY TAXES WILL BE SPENT. IS THAT A GUARANTEE AND CAN WE HAVE IT IN WRITING? NO PROPERTY TAXES. HE HAS FOUND ALL THIS MONEY AND STILL LOOKING FOR IT FOR THIS TO BE HANDLED. ALL THESE PERKS. SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL REMEMBER WHAT HE HAS SAID. I WANT TO GET A COPY OF THE POWERPOINT BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE BOOK. AND I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT CAME TODAY THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IN THIS ROOM BEFORE, COME BACK AGAIN. YOU KNOW? THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS COUNTY THAT IS NOT PAID ATTENTION TO. I KNOW THRE IS A LOT GOING ON IN OUR LIVES. BUT THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAN A PARK. AND IT IS ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND IT IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET DOWN OUR STREETS WITHOUT WAITING AN HOUR OR SO. SO HERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DRILL DOWN ON. AND I AM SAYING AGAIN, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP, NO PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING TO BE USED ON THESE PARKS. AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY OF OUR QUESTIONS EXCEPT WHENEVER YOU FEEL LIKE IT, AND I AM REALLY AMAZED TO AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS BEFORE, THERE IS NO CLAPPING.

OH, MY GOODNESS. THERE IS NO CLAPPING. SOME PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO CLAP AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE TOLD NOT TO CLAP. IT IS HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE IN THIS BUILDING AND DURING THESE MEETINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CHECK OURSELVES ON. BUT WE ALL KNOW IT, FOLKS. THE VOTE IS 5-0. IT WAS 5-0 AT 10:15, AND IT IS 5-0 NOW. AND MR. DUDLEY IS HERE AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY? HE IS A YOUNG MAN AND HE CANNOT JUST SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER HALF AN HOUR OR MAYBE AN HOUR. LET'S KEEP THIS IN MIND, FOLKS. SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHO MR. DUDLEY IS. DON'T GET UP AND RUSH OUT AFTER YOU GET THE 5-0 VOTE. STAY IN HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE. REMEMBER, 5-0. QUICK VOTE. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1? I SEE NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TODAY. THAT WAS GREAT. I AM BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSIONS.

JESSE DUNN STILL HERE? WELCOME BACK. WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUNDING MECHANISM. WE WILL HAVE THE DETAILS OF THAT MOVING

FORWARD. >> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT THEY FOLLOW FORWARD WITH THIS MOTION TODAY, INCLUDES THE FINANCE TEAM. THE FINANCIAL PACKAGE IT'S SELF WILL BE BROUGHT BACK

TO THE COMMISSION. YES. >> AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO MAKE SURE THIS IS PAID FOR BY IMPACT FEES FROM DEVELOPMENT? AND TOURIST DOLLARS?

>> WE ARE GOING TO MAXIMIZE THAT AS WELL. YES.

>> JUST TO SATISFY A CURIOSITY OF MINE PERSONALLY, IS IT MORE TOURISM DOLLARS ARE IMPACT FEES? I WAS JUST WONDERING THAT

IS I WAS SITTING HERE. >> SURE. THE DEVIL IS IN THE

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DETAILS. NO DOUBT. >> THOSE PESKY DETAILS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF IT IS COMING THROUGH VARIOUS IMPACT FEES, INCLUDING PUBLIC BUILDING IMPACT FEES AND IF WE CO-LOCATE SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY CENTERS AS WELL AS IMPACT FEES IN ZONES A AND B. GDP WILL BE A SMALLER AMOUNT.

AND THEN THERE IS SALES TAX. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. DUNN. IF I COULD JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT BEFORE I STOP.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IN 2018, THE BOHR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME, AND COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS ON THAT BOARD WITH A POLICY DECISION TO RAISE IMPACT FEES TO THE NEW STATUTORY MAXIMUM, WHICH IS MOSTLY WHAT THEY CHARGE BY LAW.

AND THAT HAS GREATLY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EVEN BEING POSSIBLE. WHEN I WAS FIRST SWORN INTO OFFICE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS HOW WAS I GOING TO GET THE BALL FIELDS BUILT. I GREW UP HERE AND WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL HERE AND I KNOW EVERYONE HAS COME TO THE MICROPHONE TODAY TO EXPRESS THEIR FRUSTRATION. THAT HAS BEEN MY FRUSTRATION, TOO. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING THAT OUR YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUES ARE TURNING AWAY CHILDREN IN THE NUMBER ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM, IT IS AN OPTION SO OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR AT THE TIME SAID RICH AND LAND FOR FACILITIES. AND WHEN RYAN LING CAME ON THE BOARD, I WANT TO TELL YOU THERE WAS THIS RENEWED SENSE OF CREATIVITY AND OPTIMISM, AND I THINK YOU RYAN CAME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JESSE DUNN , FURTHER FINANCIAL CREATIVITY AND THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX. THANK YOU MR. BRADLEY, FOR BEING WILLING TO STRETCH YOURSELVES MENTALLY, INTELLECTUALLY, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO VOTE YES OR NO WITHOUT THE HARD STAT. AND MR. CALDWELL, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE TO GET US THE OPTION. SO I WILL BE VOTING YES. I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THIS HAS BEEN TWO DECADES IN THE MAKING.

THIS IS THE EASIEST VOTE I WILL EVER TAKE AND I WILL VOTE YES.

>> WELL SAID. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> I WANT TO THINK RYAN KING AND OUR PARK STAFF AND ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS. ARC COUNTY HAS GROWN BY OVER 100,000 PEOPLE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AND IS A COUNTY WE HAD TO BUILD A PARK. THIS IS DEFINITELY NEEDED AND WILL SERVICE THE RESIDENCE IN THE AREA WELL SO I WILL VOTE YES

HAS WELL. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> I'M EXCITED ALSO AND I'M EXCITED MOST ABOUT THE TRACK BECAUSE MY ENTIRE FAMILY WAS TRACK RUNNERS AND IT IS HARD TO GET ON THE TRACK AND OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS LOCKED UP FOR THE WEEKEND YOU CANNOT GET ON THE TRACK AND MY TWO SONS ARE BOTH NAVY S.E.A.L.S AND BECAUSE OF OUR TRACK AND RUNNING HISTORY I

AM EXCITED. I CLAPPED. SORRY. >> AND COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> BEFORE I GO BACK TO YOU, I AM GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. THANK YOU AGAIN TO STAFF. I KNOW I HAVE SAID IT, BUT IT HAS BEEN A HUGE JOURNEY. THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE JOB. I REMEMBER THE CREEK SOFTBALL FAMILY. WE WERE ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SPORTS ASSOCIATION. SO WE SEE THE NEED ALL THE TIME. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND MAYBE I MISSED IT.

BECAUSE I SERVE ON THE CANVAS, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THESE AS EARLY VOTING SITES?

>> YES. THAT IS BEING PLANNED FOR.

>> OKAY. I JUST AM SO EXCITED TO BE SITTING HERE. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND FOR RALLYING YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS TO COME AND SPEAK ON THIS. THANK YOU. SO I AM IN

FAVOR. >> YES. BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, I HAVE ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM THAT THE PEOPLE I HAVE SPOKEN WITH WILL COME AFTER ME WITH PITCHFORKS IF I DO NOT BRING IT UP. AFTER COMMISSIONER MADE SOME COMMENTS AT OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT WHAT IS A WONDERFUL MADE. THEY WERE BANKING ON HAVING A BIG, FULL LIBRARY. AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 30,000 RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN

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WITH THE MOTION. >> YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THAT KIND OF JUST GETS MY MIND GOING. WE SHOULD ALSO DIRECT STAFF TO WORKING WITH THE STAFF. COME WORK AT THE MEADOWS AGAIN. IF WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT HAVING STAFF EVALUATE AND SIT DOWN WITH THE LIBRARY AND THE RESIDENCE OF THE MEADOWS AND COME UP WITH A PLAN. YOU KNOW? IT IS A GOOD POINT. THE PARK WAS REDUCED. IF IT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE COULD DO THAT. SO COMMISSIONER DEAN? IN QUICKLY. MY POSITION IS THAT NOCATEE, REALLY, REALLY THE CITIZENS, NEED A FULL BRANCH LIBRARY. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, SAINT AUGUSTINE, THE TOWN OF ST. AUGUSTINE IS ROUGHLY 15,000 PEOPLE. AND THAT IS WERE OUR MAIN LIBRARY IS. NOCATEE IS A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF 30,000 RIGHT NOW AND IS SCHEDULED TO GO AND MAYBE THE NEXT 10 YEARS. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A BRANCH LIBRARY. THAT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE IN MY MIND. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE ISSUE.

>> YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> WITH NOCATEE HAVING A BRANCH LIBRARY, THAT IS GREAT. THIS WOULD HAVE A HABIT LIBRARY WITHIN 10,000 FEET IN AT LEAST TWO YEARS. WE SHOULD AT LEAST GET GOING ON THAT. IF YOU WANT TO RE-EVALUATE WHERE MAIN LIBRARIES WILL GO THAT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER SURVEY OR COMMITMENT. THAT IS MY

COMMITMENT THOUGH. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I CANNOT SAY IT IS A SCIENTIFIC STUDY. I HAVE ONLY SPOKEN WITH A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS THAT I KNOW OUT THERE AND SOMEHOW REACHED OUT TO ME. I THINK IT IS AT LEAST WORTH LOOKING INTO WHETHER IT IS POSSIBLE IN FINDING OUT HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE. IT IS SOMETHING THAT PROMISED AND WOULD HAVE HAD TOWN HALLS ABOUT. THE MAIN TOPIC WAS, HEY, THIS NEW LIBRARY IS COMING SOON. IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST GET INFORMATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE ABOUT THE FINANCIAL LIABILITY OF THAT LIBRARY?

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL DEFINITELY BRING BACK OPTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE VARIATIONS OF THESE

NEW ELEMENTS OF THE PARKS. >> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, DO YOU

HAVE ANY -- >> THAT IS KIND OF WHERE I WAS LOOKING. BUT I JUST WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN AT LEAST TWO YEARS WHERE THEY CAN GO AND HAVE A COMMUNITY PLACE AND THINGS.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MADAM CHAIR, I AM PREPARED TO MAKE THE MOTION IF YOU'RE READY. THE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT REGIONAL PARKS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS IN A SIMILAR COUNTY FINANCING TEAM TO PRESENT A FINANCING PACKAGE UNDER THE

SUBSEQUENT AGENDA ITEM. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. NOW, BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT ITEM WHICH I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON, I DID WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE STAFF. THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY AN INCREDIBLE PRESENTATION. WE SAW THE INVESTMENT PLAN HISTORY IN EACH DISTRICT. WE SAW THE RECENT CAPITAL INVESTMENTS FROM 2021-2024. IF I COULD GET CONSENSUS, CAN WE SEE A PRESENTATION ON ALL COUNTY INVESTMENTS KIND OF BROKEN DOWN LIKE WE DUSTED WITH PARKS? 2021-2024 AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN PAID FOR AND HOW FAR WE HAVE COME.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE PRESENTATIONS. WE DO NARROW IT DOWN TO THE PRESENTATION OF THE BOARD. CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? OR MAYBE I AM OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INVESTMENTS IN

TERMS OF ROADS, PARKS, BEACH? >> THERE IS NO PARK. YES. BUT

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ALL THE EMPHASIS. >> DRAINAGE.

>> WE CAN PREPARE AND INVESTMENT TO PREPARE IN THOSE.

MAY, NEXT MONTH? >> ARE WE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT A LITTLE BIT EARLY? NOW WE MAY START.

>> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD TO COMMENT STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND

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AND BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ANY APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS.

FINALLY, ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENCE ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PREVENTS THAT TO THE PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU.

COLONEL DUDLEY. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. NOW, WE HAVE HERE, I UNDERSTAND, IN THE AGENDA -- IT WAS ENTERED THIS MORNING -- SUPPORT FOR OUR VETERANS VILLAGE FACILITY. IT IS NOW A REALITY OVER ON ANASTASIA BOULEVARD ON 427 ANASTASIA BOULEVARD. I JUST WANT TO SAY I WANT TO EXTEND MY APPRECIATION FOR THIS COMMISSION BOARD AND TO THIS ADMINISTRATION FOR SUPPORTING THIS FACILITY. IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR FOUR YEARS AND IT HAS BECOME A REALITY AS OF THE 29TH OF FEBRUARY WHEN WE CLOSED ON IT, AND I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW EXCITED I AM AND HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM OF ALL THE SUPPORT WE HAVE RECEIVED OVER THE YEARS FROM THE COMMISSION BOARD AND FROM THE COUNTY. IN MAKING THIS A REALITY. WE HAD A COMMITTEE MEETING YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WITH SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. AND THE FACILITY AS IT IS CURRENTLY EQUIPPED TO HANDLE 20 VETERANS IN THIS FACILITY. AND YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, WHEN WE HAD OUR BOARD MEETING, WE ALREADY HAD 16 VETERANS SIGN UP AND BE PROCESSED INTO THIS FACILITY. I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS FACILITY. WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE STILL IN THE MOTEL AND WE ARE MOVING THOSE OUT BY THE END OF APRIL. YOU CANNOT JUST GO IN AND MOVE THEM OUT AND PUT THEM ON THE STREET. GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OTHER LODGING. BUT, AS IT APPEARS RIGHT NOW, BY THE END OF APRIL , WE WILL BE AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY ALREADY IN THIS FACILITY. BUT IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING FOR THIS COUNTY. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS FOR THE VETERANS COUNCIL AND FOR ALL THE VETERANS IN THIS COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN HOUSE OUR VETERANS AND GET OUR VETERANS OFF THE STREET. AND THE ONES WHO ARE HAVING TO COUCH SURF OR BE SLEEPING IN OUR CARS, I HAD ONE VETERAN THAT WE PROCESSED IN YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WHO IS ACTUALLY IN OUR TREATMENT COURT AND IS RECEIVING TREATMENT TO OUR VETERANS TREATMENT COURT. AND WHEN I WAS SPEAKING WITH HIM, HE WAS TELLING ME THAT HE WAS LIVING IN A FRIEND'S HOUSE AND SLEEPING IN HIS GARAGE ON AN AIR MATTRESS. AND SO WE HAD HIM BEING PROCESSED IN YESTERDAY TO OUR VETERANS VILLAGE. AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE ELEMENT OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO REACH OUT TO AND GET THEM OUT OF THOSE CONDITIONS AND INTO A DESIRABLE LIVING CONDITION. SO I WANT TO THINK THIS COMMISSION BOARD FOR SUPPORTING US. I CERTAINLY WANT TO THINK JOE ANDREWS AND THE STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION STAFF FOR ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE. AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP SUPPORT THIS FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF AND VERY THANKFUL FOR. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT. >> HI. ELIZABETH POWDER. MY ADDRESS IS OUT FRONT. I THINK OF WE COULD ADDRESS THE CONSTITUTION THAT WILL CLEAR UP A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE COUNTY AND STATE. FIRST OF ALL, EARLY VOTING IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.

SO I EMAILED YOU ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL COUNTY RESOLUTIONS. I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE READ IT. THE NEXT STEP IS FOR US TO GET TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT WE AGREE ON. BUT I AM GOING TO AGREE IT. I HOPE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE ARE LISTENING AND THEY DO SHOW UP FOR ALL OF THESE REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE ARE FACING. THIS IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESOLUTION 2024 OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN SUPPORT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

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SO I AM HOPING THIS WILL BE LOOKED AT AND WE CAN JOIN TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, GET THIS SIGNED. THE LIVE A LOCAL ACT COMES TO MIND. I MEAN, EXCERPTING THE POWER OF OUR COUNTY IN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES TODAY. EARLY VOTING AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION. UNACCEPTABLE. I HOPE THIS GETS RESOLVED AND WE CAN AGREE ON A STRUCTURE WHICH IS THE CONSTITUTION. THANK YOU.

AUGUSTINE. BE AWARE SOME DEMOCRATS AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ARE SENDING OUT PROPAGANDA TO OTHER DEMOCRATS TO REGISTER AS REPUBLICANS SO THE THREE COMMISSIONERS WILL BE RE-ELECTED AND REMAIN IN POWER. QUESTION. WHY IS THAT? ACCORDING TO THE PROPAGANDA, AND I HAVE GOT A COPY OF IT, ONE, THE THREE HAVE LISTENED TO INDUSTRY LEADERS INSTEAD OF RESIDENCE. TWO. THE THREE HERE AND BY THE MEMBERS OF TOURISM INDUSTRY IS THAT OF RESIDENCE. THREE. THE THREE SUPPORT BUSINESS OWNERS INSTEAD OF RESIDENCE. I AM SORRY THAT MR. ARNOLD CANNOT STAY TO LISTEN TO THIS, BUT I KNOW WHERE SHE IS YOU CAN'T HEAR IT. UNFORTUNATELY, SUCH MANIPULATION HIS LOVE OF MONEY VERSUS QUALITY-OF-LIFE. WE DO NOT WRESTLE AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD BUT AGAINST PRINCIPALITIES, AGAINST POWERS, AGAINST THE RULERS OF THE DARKNESS OF THIS AGE. THE SPIRITUAL HOSTS OF WICKEDNESS IN THE SPIRITUAL PLACES. AND, AGAIN, GOOD. SHE IS COMING BACK. LISTEN TO 90.5 FM. ONCE HOPELESS LIFE CAN CHANGE. AND I HAVE TO DISTRESS THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. BE CAREFUL WHEN VOTING. THE QUESTION I LEAVE EVERYBODY WITH I WILL CONTINUE TO LEAVE. THE LOVE OF MONEY IS WHAT? AND IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, WE SEE THIS SOMETIMES IN OUR SOCIETY AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND ALSO I KNOW THIS WAS NOT DELIBERATE, BUT I AM GOING TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. PLEASE DON'T CLAP. AND YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE I ASKED TO STAY, THEY DISAPPEARED. COME BACK, PEOPLE. COME BACK. I KNOW YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR KIDS AND GO TO WORK. BUT IT IS HARD TO STAY HERE ALL DAY LONG. BUT HERE IS WHERE MY MIND WENT. ON ITEM NUMBER ONE FROM 2:15 TO ABOUT 11:15, WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT A 5-0 VOTE. I'M GLAD PEOPLE CAME TO SPEAK BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE RIGHT IS. WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE THIS SOME OTHER TIME BECAUSE NOW THE VOTES WHEN WE GO TO ELECTION DATE MAY BE IN FAVOR

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>> RICHARD AND OUR WIT. 436 DEAL ROAD. VISUAL RECAP.

WE ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THIS BOARD. THIS IS MY STREET FRONT PROPERTY BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE SIDEWALK PROJECT. UNDER THE DIRECT SUPERVISION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR GREG CALDWELL WHO INSISTS THAT WHAT HAPPENED FOLLOWING THIS WAS JUSTIFIED BY A COERCED TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS GROSS NEGLIGENCE ON HIS PART. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I ENDED UP WITH. ACCORDING TO THE OPERATOR WHO ESCAPED AWAY ALL MY HOPES, ALL OF MY SOIL, THAT SO UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK WAS NOT THERE. THERE WAS A SQUEAL THERE. WOULD YOU SUPPOSE THAT DIRT CAME FROM? IT DID NOT COME FROM TAKING ENOUGH ROOM TO BUILD CONCRETE FARMS BUT IT WAS EMBEZZLED BY INVERSE CONDEMNATION WHICH IS AN ILLEGAL ACT OF EMINENT DOMAIN.

THIS IS WHAT I INITIALLY SENT TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON AS WHAT I NEEDED FOR REPARATIONS. A RETAINING WALL. A PRIVACY FENCE. AND A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING. AND TODAY'S DIRECT COST IS $35,000-$45,000. THE ONLY ONE WHO EVER RESPONDED TO ME CAME TO MY HOME AND RESPONDED THAT THE COST WAS ALMOST HALF OF THAT BUT I WAS WILLING TO SETTLE FOR. NO MORE.

AND THIS, MY FRIENDS, IF YOU WOULD, LOOK IN.

THIS ROOM TO LOOK EACH OTHER AND THE EYES AND SEE WHAT I SEE. ARROGANCE. COWARDICE. OBSTRUCTION TO JUSTICE. THAT IS ALL I SEE IN YOU. NOW, I KNOW YOU DO OTHER WORK AND SOME OF

IT IS NOT THIS. >> HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. I AM AUBREY CORPUS. I LIVE ON 31 BE OAK STREET ROAD. I COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A SMALL LITTLE COMMUNITY OF 57 HOMES. I SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO EACH OF YOU COMMISSIONERS YESTERDAY.

SOME OF YOU DID APPLY SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE COUNTY TO COME TOGETHER AND KEEP OUR 17 STRETCH OF SCENIC HIGHWAY STILL INTACT WITHOUT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

ON THE VERY CORNER OF MYRON ROAD AND STATE ROAD 13 IS GOING TO BE A 4600 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY BUILDING ON THE VERY CORNER OF OUR RESIDENTIAL STREET, AND WE ARE ASKING TO PLEASE NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE A ONE WAY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONE WAY OUT AND OUR CHILDREN GO INTO THE BUS STOP FROM THAT POINT AND GET OFF AT THAT POINT AND WE ARE JUST ASKING AND PLEADING NOT TO LET A COMMERCIAL BUILDING COME TO OUR LITTLE RESIDENTIAL STREET. I KNOW IT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS A 46 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR DEPARTMENTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND IT JUST DOES NOT FIT

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WHERE WE GET JUST INUNDATED WITH TRAFFIC ALREADY TO OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD. I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR LISTENING AND COMING OUT TO THE PROPERTY. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED, MR. WHITEHURST, THAT YOU WOULD COME OUT AND FOR THE PROPERTY WITH US ALL TO SEE WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING NEEDS TO HAPPEN. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR NOTHING TO BE BUILT ON THAT LOT TO. WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR IT TO NOT BE A COMMERCIAL TWO STORY BUILDING. IT IS GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 16 PARKING SPACES. RIGHT ON THE LOT. SO I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A MAP HERE. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. THIS LITTLE STREET HERE IS OUR ROAD. MY PROPERTY SITS JUST ACROSS FROM IT. AND THEN THERE ARE GOING TO BE 16 PARKING SPACES ALONG THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. THERE IS A 500 FOOT OR 600 FOOT BUFFER THAT SHOULD BE ATTACKED AND STAY IN PLACE TO STOP THIS FROM

HAPPENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> AND I DO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT ON MY CALENDAR FOR NEXT WEEK SO I WILL BE SEEING YOU AND YOUR

NEIGHBORS. >> OKAY. WE ARE STILL GOOD ON TIME. CHARLIE HUNT. MILL CREEK A-STATE. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A COUPLE THINGS THAT WENT ON THIS MORNING. GUESS. IT IS GREAT TO HAVE THAT BIG CROWD SHOW UP AND PUSH OUT ON THE RECREATIONAL FIELDS, AND EVERYTHING WITHIN YOUR ENVIRONMENT AND TO GET ADDED ON BECAUSE THEY MOVED DOWN HERE TO BE HERE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A GREAT COUNTY BUT NOW IT IS OVERCROWDED AND OVERDEVELOPED AND NOW WE NEED TO GET BASEBALL FIELDS AND PARKS PUT UP. AND IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. BUT I TELL YOU WHAT. MAYBE LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS. LET'S TAKE ALL THE PRESENTATIONS COMING UP ABOUT THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOMES THAT WANT TO GET PUT IN THESE AREAS PUT UP FRONT AND THEN SOMETHING THAT IS MORE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW? A LITTLE BIT MORE EASIER TO GO BY AT THE END WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SHOW UP WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT. THEN REALIZE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. MY OTHER THING IS EARLIER IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AREA, IT IS SHOWING THAT ON 16 IGP THE DEVELOPMENT TRYING TO BE PUT IN PLACE RIGHT THERE, IT ALSO SHOWS THAT ON THE ACTUAL COUNTY IMPROVEMENT WEBSITE THAT IGP 16 EAST TO THE 2209 INTERCHANGE , THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS ONLY $9 MILLION FOR THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF IT. SO I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THESE DIFFERENT JOB SITES ARE GOING RIGHT IN THAT LITTLE AREA. RIGHT IN THAT ONE-MILE RADIUS. BECAUSE WHEN I WENT TO THE FDO T AND ASKED THEM ABOUT 16, THEY HAD NO CLUE. THEY SAID THAT IS THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY DOES WHAT THEY WANT. BUT IF THEY CAN HELP US, THEN WE WILL WORK TOGETHER. IT WAS TRULY SO FRUSTRATING TO SEE ALL THE IMPROVEMENT FROM 95 UP TO IGP IS STATE AND IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE COUNTY TO HELP AND THEN THE COUNTY SAYING $250 MILLION ON THIS PART AND $10 MILLION ON THIS PART THAT IS JUST BEING RESEARCHED AND PLANNED RIGHT NOW, AND IT IS ALL WITHIN THAT ONE LITTLE AREA. EITHER IT IS WRONGFULLY APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR IT OR SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO OVERLAP FUNDS SO THEY CAN TAKE IT AND PUT IT INTO OTHER PROJECTS. I LIVE RIGHT THERE. I KNOW HOW IT

IS. >> MICHAEL MCDONALD. WEDNESDAY ALL NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, I WAS CURIOUS ON THE PARK SERVICE. IT SOUNDED LIKE IMPACT FEES WERE COMING FROM PUBLIC BUILDINGS. DOES THAT MEAN WHAT

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>> PRIVATE. >> OKAY. YET. THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE STRANGE.

LIKE I SAID, IT IS THE DINNER BELL FIRST ST. JOHNS. WHERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR SLOWING OUR GROWTH? WE ARE NOT EVEN ENCOURAGING SLOWING OUR GROWTH. ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO USE THAT AS A PLATFORM TO ENCOURAGE MORE GROWTH. THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THEIR WEBSITES. YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT. WE GOT FOUR NEW PARKS PROPOSED. IT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC BEFORE THOSE PARKS ARE EVEN BUILT IN NOW WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THE NEXT PARKS? THE PARK WILL BE FULLY OCCUPIED BY THE TIME IT IS BUILT BECAUSE OF ELEMENTS AROUND IT, WHAT IS THE APPROVAL FOR OUT THERE? 40,000 HOMES SLANTED OUT THERE? THAT IS A DRAMATIC NUMBER. THAT IS GOING TO INUNDATE THAT PARK FOR THE REST OF ITS LIFE. THAT IS JUST THE DEMAND WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR. OVERDEVELOPED. TRY TO ACCOUNT. THAT IS OVERUSED. THAT IS JUST THE SYSTEM THAT WE ARE STUCK IN. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THAT DOES. THAT IS NOT FIXING IT. YES. WE NEED THOSE FACILITIES OBVIOUSLY. WE NEED TO BE ENGAGED AND HAVE A RESOURCE TO ENJOY THEIR TIME. BUT WHEN THAT INTEL INCREASES MORE TRAFFIC TO THESE AREAS, THERE IS JUST NO SIGN OF GROWTH IN MY OPINION. AND WITH THE HOME DEPOT AND WITH THE BASS PRO THAT IS SLATED TO BE NEXT TO COSTCO, I MEAN, WHAT ON EARTH ARE WE DOING TO THIS COUNTY? I MEAN, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE MOST SERIOUS. I MEAN, IT IS RIDICULOUS. I MEAN, WE ARE DROWNING IN DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE IS NO WAY TO STOP IT.

THERE IS NO WAY TO DETER IT. THERE IS NO WAY BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE SUPPLIED IT, NOW THERE IS A DEMAND FOR TACO BELL'S AND SUBWAYS AND ET CETERA. WE ARE STUCK BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS WE ARE MAKING. SO WHAT CAN WE DO? WE CAN MOVE FORWARD LOGICALLY AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. I MEAN, THIS BUDGET FOR THIS $43 MILLION BASEBALL FIELD WITH FACILITIES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. WHAT ON EARTH? THESE NUMBERS ARE YOU SO EXORBITANT THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. I

[21. Motion to adopt Resolution 2024- , approving for purposes of Section 147(f) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended, the issuance by the Housing Finance Authority of St. Johns Countay, Florida of multifamily housing revenue debt obligations, in one or more series, to finance or refinance all or a portion of the costs of the rehabilitation, construction, and development of a multifamily housing project known as Summerset Village and Summer Breeze Apartments; and establishing an effective date.]

PUBLIC COMMENT? I AM SEEING NONE.

>> OKAY. BACK TO THE BOARD. NOW WE WILL HEAR ITEM 1A, FORMAL CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 21. MS. ANDREWS, WHO FROM STAFF IS

GOING TO BE PRESENTING THIS? >> TO THE CHAIR. SO THIS IS AN HFA ITEM. SO THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY. TO OUR ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHED THEM, WHICH THEY ARE STATUTORY ESTABLISHED AUTHORITY, ANY OTHER BONDS MUST COME TO THIS BOARD JUST TO REVIEW THE FORM OF THE BOND AND THE PAYMENT WITH REGARD TO THE PROJECT ITSELF.

>> IS IT ALL RIGHT IF I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I REALIZE THIS IS COMING BACK IN FRONT OF US, BUT BEFORE IT DOES MY CONCERN WAS THAT THE COMPANIES -- A FLORIDA COMPANY ON THE UPPER BREAK 20TH, A FEW DAYS BEFORE FEBRUARY 22ND WHERE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP -- SO I WENT BACK TO LOOK WHERE THE COMPANY WAS FROM AND THEY ARE FROM CALIFORNIA. AND I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND WHO THE OWNER IS OUR PERSON IS THAT WAS GOING TO DO THIS ON IS JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE JACKSONVILLE HOUSING AND AUTHORITY HAVING A MISREPRESENTATION. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN WITH OUR COUNTY. THE OTHER THING IS IN THE ACTUAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION, IT SAID THINGS LIKE CONSTRUCTION REHABILITATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 216 MULTI FAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. I DID SEE WHAT THIS IS AND I CAN TELL THAT 33 MILLION PROBABLY HAS TO FIX THIS UP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT CONSTRUCTING MORE UNITS BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTION IN THERE, AND THERE IS A PIECE OF

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COMMISSIONER JOSEPH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROCESS FROM 2006, AND THERE SOMERSET VILLAGE WHICH IS 82 UNITS ANOTHER SOMERSET BREEZE WHICH IS 133. THE PARENT COMPANY IS ON LINCOLN AVENUE COMMUNITIES. IT IS VERY COMMON FOR SOMEONE THAT IS COMING INTO PURCHASE PROPERTY TO SET UP A NEW CORPORATION FOR THEIR OWN FOR HIGH RISK ISSUES. WHEN THE COMPANY COMES AND BUYS IT, PART OF THE MONEY IS BEING USED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND THEN HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED TO INVESTING MORE THAN $150,000 INTO THE UNIT. AND BY USING THE BONDS, IT WILL ACTUALLY REINSTATE A LAND-USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT THAT EXISTED BACK SINCE 2006 BUT HAS EXPIRED. SO WE PUT IT BACK IN PLACE OF THESE PROPERTIES WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED. ON THE APPLICATION TO USE WITH THE HFA SO THEY ARE BUILDING ANYTHING ELSE.

>> THANK YOU. THAT COVERS EVERYTHING TO. THERE IS NO

OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1A. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE

MINUTES. THANK YOU. >> CHECK LOVE AND ASK YOU.

NORTH GAVIOR. I TRIED TO GET MY GRANDSON INTO THE FACILITY BUT WAS UNABLE TO BECAUSE HE DID NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY. I GO BY THAT PLACE QUITE OFTEN. AND WHEN I SAW THE $33 MILLION THAT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU HAD TO PUT YOUR NAMES ON AND I GOT A LITTLE CONCERNED. SO I DROVE INTO THE COMMUNITY. TO REHABILITATE THOSE COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW, I AM NOT SURE IF THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY. IF THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY THERE TO REHABILITATE IT. I SAW THE BALCONIES ARE FALLING APART. I SEE TRASH EVERYWHERE. THE POOL WAS GREEN. IT LOOKED MORE LIKE ARTIFICIAL TURF. I MEAN, WHOEVER OWNED THAT, OR WHOEVER OWNS IT NOW , AND I THINK THE OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW. WE ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF IT.

I GET A LITTLE CONCERNED IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR NAME ON $33 MILLION. I NOTICED JUST A FORMALITY BUT THIS IS A BIG

CONCERN. >> SUSAN CLUE LOW. 109 LAURELWOOD WEIGHT 10232086. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS FACILITY.

I HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW INCOME FUNCTION. AND WITHOUT THIS FACILITY, THEY WOULD BE HOMELESS. AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE I DO HOPE WERE HOMELESS BEFORE. I KNOW IT IS GOING ON BEING 20 YEARS OLD, AND IT IS DATED. IT DEFINITELY IS DATED.

IT DEFINITELY NEEDS REHABILITATION. I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT HAS BEEN PURCHASED BY SOMEBODY NEW, WHICH I AM REALLY GLAD TO SEE BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, TWO OR THREE YEARS, THE FORMER OWNER KNEW THAT THEIR TIME WAS UP BECAUSE THE BONDS THAT THEY HAD OR HAD WHATEVER AGREEMENT WAS GOING TO BE UP, AND THE BEST THING TO DO WAS SELL AND THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT AS LITTLE MONEY INTO IT AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THEY BOWED OUT.

THE RESIDENTS HAD BEEN LIVING IN SOME CONDITIONS OVER THERE THAT WERE NOT THE BEST. BUT THERE WAS A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD. I HAVE NEVER SEEN RODENTS RUNNING AROUND THE HALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, THESE ARE LOW INCOME PEOPLE. THEIR IDEA OF WHAT IS GOOD LIVING IS NOT MINE AND PROBABLY NOT YOURS, BUT THEY ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT FACILITY TO LIVE IN. AND IT IS PROBABLY ABOUT THE LOWEST RENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ANYWHERE IN ST. JOHNS. THE DEPARTMENTS I HAVE LIVED IN WHAT THEY WERE REFURBISHED BEFORE A NEW PERSON LIVES IN THE, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. THEY PUT NEW CARPET ON. THEY REPAINT. THEY HAVE KIND OF BEEN MOVING SOME APPLIANCES AROUND.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING INTO IT DOES THE

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>> 3084. COMPLEMENTARY INQUIRY TO THE CHAIR OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD FOR SOMETHING TO GO ON? I HEARD $33 MILLION. I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR SIMPLE AND UNCONTROVERSIAL. AND MY LATE FRIEND DIANE WILLIS, SHE AND HER HUSBAND JERRY FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY BACK IN THE 2005 TIMEFRAME. SHE SAID, WATCH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THEY PUT A LOT OF STUFF ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT IS A HIGH DOLLAR VALUE. WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT? WHAT AND WHEN CAN SOMETHING GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WHEN CAN'T SOMETHING GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THIS ANOTHER CASE OF UNBRIDLED EXPRESSION GIVEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS THE 11TH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS SAID? WERE THEY FOUND THAT UNBRIDLED DISCRETION WAS GIVEN TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR? I THINK THE COUNTY A DEMONSTRATOR HAS TOO MUCH POWER THAT IS NOT EXAMINED. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A BUDGET COMMITTEE. THINK ABOUT IT. YOU LOOK AT GOVERNMENTS ELSEWHERE. COUNTY COMMISSIONS HAVE BUDGET COMMITTEES. WE DON'T HAVE A WORKING COMMITTEE SYSTEM AND THE REASON IS THERE IS ONLY FIVE COMMISSIONS. THEY GERRYMANDERED BACK IN1998 GOING FROM SEVEN COMMISSIONERS TO FIVE. AND HAVING ONLY FIVE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE ELECTED FROM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, SOMETHING IS GOING TO GET MISSED. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AIRPORT PLEASE THOUGH FROM THE COUNTY. WHAT IS CRITERIA FOR SOMETHING TO GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? WE SHOULD NOT HAVE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SOMETHING IS GOING TO GET MISSED WHEN EVERYTHING GOES IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE DON'T HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY HERE ANYMORE. AND, BY GOD, YOU NEED TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. HUNTER KLANKE CHAIR SAID TO ME TWICE TWO YEARS IN A ROW HE WAS COUNTY IN THIS AREA. I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

I WORK WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTION. OF COURSE YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS. NEED TO ADOPT FAIRNESS LIKE THEY HAD IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. HE HAD A ROLE. JUST MADE IT UP. HE SAID IF YOU ASK A QUESTION IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT ACTUALLY ENDS IN A QUESTION, WE WILL MAKE SURE IT GETS ANSWERED EITHER DURING THE MEETING LIVE OR DURING A RECESS. JUST LOOK AT US AND DON'T ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. WHY?

>> I AM MICHAEL MCDONALD. WHEN SLOPE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THIS IS AN EXORBITANT PROJECT TO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I THINK THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD. THEY SHOULD NOT BE TAKING PLACE IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT HERE OR KRISTA IS NOT ABLE TO PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE NEED AND ABILITY TO LIMIT THAT. EVEN $1 MILLION. IF IT GOES ABOVE $1 MILLION, IT CANNOT GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I THINK THAT CAN BE AN EASY MOTION FOR YOU GUYS TO ADOPT BECAUSE IT LOOKS NEFARIOUS. WHEN YOU KNOW THAT OBVIOUSLY THE CONSENT IS ON YOU GUYS' SIDE THAT WE BOMBARD YOU GUYS AND ASK IMPERFECT QUESTIONS, THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THAT STRESS. THAT WE ARE NOT FEELING REPRESENTED. IF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT ON A CONSENT

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WHEN THERE IS PERTINENT, IMPORTANT FACTS FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE COULD USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IF THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. BUT IF THEY GET THERE. BALL COURTS APPROVE THEY HAVE TO SKEDADDLE. IF THEY GET THEIR POINT ACROSS THEY ARE GOING TO LEAVE. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE PRICE FOR THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS ARE. EVEN FOR OUR ELDERLY COMMUNITY, I FEEL THAT EVERYONE IS GETTING PINCHED. WE EXPECT OUR ELDERLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PEOPLE TO HAVE TO PREDICT. I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ON THE LINE FOR. I KNOW THE COST OF RAISING ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING STANDS AT AND WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE IS TO BUILD THEM.

I HOPE SOMEBODY IN THIS DEPARTMENT KNOWS WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING COSTS. AND THEN WE WORK TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. THAT IS ABOUT IT.

HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1A? SEEN THAT, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE IN DOUBT, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY COMMISSION, KEEPS NO UNDER LIABILITY AT ALL. WE ARE NOT UNDERWRITING THE $33 MILLION. IT IS A LARGE NUMBER BUT IT IS THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY THAT IS UNDERWRITING THE BOND ISSUE SO WE THE COUNTY COMMISSION ARE NOT UNDERWRITING THIS BOND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. WITH THAT SAID, I WILL MOVE TO

ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024. >> 145.

>> APPROVING FOR THE PURPOSES OF 140 7F OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986. THE ISSUE IS ABOUT HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY OF ST. JOHNS OF FLORIDA WITH MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING TO FINANCE OR REFINANCE ALL OR A PORTION OF THE COSTS

[2. State Funded Florida Shared-Used Nonmotorized (SUN) Trail Network Program Agreements.]

>> SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE? AND THAT PASSES 5-0. OKAY. NOW WE ARE ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. WELCOME

BACK, MR. KANE. >> THANK YOU. DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION HERE TODAY TO PRESENT AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANSION OF OUR TRAIL NETWORK WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS IS THE SOME TRAILS GRANT FUNDS. TODAY WE WILL QUICKLY GO OVER THE OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT OVER HERE, BENEFITS OF THE TRAILS ON THE COMMUNITY, THE FUNDING SOURCES, THE SEGMENTS THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN PURSUIT FOR A MOTION FOR OUR FUTURE. THE QUICK OVERVIEW IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS AND JURISDICTIONAL STAKEHOLDERS AND GROUPS INCLUDING THE COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, GRANDSON LEGISLATURE TEAM, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE'S OFFICE, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, FDOT, TO EVALUATE THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND TO PRIORITIZE THE TRAIL SYSTEM WITHIN THAT CITIZEN INPUT WAS GATHERED TO A QUESTIONNAIRE TO RANK PRIORITIES AS THE INITIAL PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE HELD IN JULY AND OCTOBER OF 2019. FROM THAT INPUT, STAKEHOLDERS IDENTIFIED THE RIVER TO SAINT LOUP AS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES OF THE TRAIL. THE TRAILHEAD FROM ALAN IS CONNECTING UP TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO PROVIDE LOCAL AND REGIONAL BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO USERS OF ALL AGES AND PHYSICAL ABILITIES BY

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THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY SHALL COORDINATE WITH FEDERAL, STATE, REGIONAL, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IN ST. JOHNS. AND, ADDITIONALLY, THE RIVER TO SEE LOOP NUMBER ONE FOR THE 24 LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS. BENEFITS OF A TRAIL SYSTEM. THE BENEFITS AS PART OF THE SUN TRAIL LOOP. IT IS NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE NORTHERN PORTION ON A LOCAL SCALE PROVIDING MUCH-NEEDED CONNECTIVITY IN THE EXISTING AREA. IT PROVIDES URBAN AND RURAL USAGE BY ROADWAY SELLING TENANT FOR MOTORIZED VEHICLES AND DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION SUCH AS BICYCLING OR WALKING. ONE MORE HERE. ADDITIONALLY, THE POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT TRAIL AND NETWORK SYSTEMS ARE INCREASINGLY BECOMING AN ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. THESE NETWORKS CAN PROVIDE VIABLE RESOURCES FOR STATE CONNECTIVITY AND THE OVERALL AREA OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACHES IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE OFFERS MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE ECONOMIC ENVELOPMENT DUE TO THE DIVERSE NATURE OF OUR RURAL AND URBAN LAND USE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS FLORIDA AS A UNIQUE TOURIST DESTINATION. ADAM WILL GO ON THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

>> GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I AM JUST GOING TO GO BRIEFLY OVER SOME OF THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAME AVAILABLE IN THE 23 THREE SESSION. SB 106 WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR INITIATIVES DEALING WITH THE SUN TRAIL NETWORK. AT THAT TIME, WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT IT IS WE HAD ABOUT $2 MILLION OF A SINGLE APPROPRIATION FOR THE FULL SUN TRAIL NETWORK. THIS INITIATIVE WAS SUPPORTED BY REP STEVENSON THEY PUSH THIS INITIATIVE TOWARDS TALLAHASSEE.

AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ALSO WAS IN SUPPORT OF THIS IN THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL AS WELL. ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AS RYAN MENTIONED, OR SAVE ABOUT $25 MILLION TO CONSTRUCT THE RIVER TO SEA LOOP. AN INTERESTING COMPONENT IS THE OVERPASS WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE GRANDSON LEGISLATIVE FARES HAVE IDENTIFIED A FEDERAL PROGRAM TO THE NET ESTATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, I BELIEVE IT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT PROGRAM. THAT PROGRAM COULD BE AN IDEAL FIT TO FUND THIS PEDESTRIAN OVERPASS. THIS PROGRAM FUNDS ABOUT 80% OF FEDERAL . IT IS A 20% MATCH.

THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT HAVING THE RIVER TO SEA LOOP FUNDING LIKE THIS IS YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO LEVERAGE STATE FUNDING IS A MATCH FOR THE FEDERAL FUNDS. THAT CONCLUDES THE OVERVIEW OF THE GRANT FUNDING. I WILL PASS THIS ON FOR THE DETAILS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW IS THERE WILL BE FIVE SEPARATE AGREEMENTS WITH THE D.O.T. TO PROVIDE SEPARATE PROJECTS.

THERE IS FOUR SEGMENTS LOCATED ALONG COUNTY WERE TO 14 THAT WILL LEAD INTO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. THESE FOUR STATEMENTS ARE FROM ALAN NICE TO THE RANGE OF $4.5 MILLION ,

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THE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN A 10 AND 12 FOOT LANE ASPHALT TRAIL LOCATED OUT HERE. THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE IT DOES CONNECT INTO THE RAILS TO TRAILS OFF THE TO A SEVEN AND IT WILL CONNECT ALL THE WAY INTO SAINT AUGUSTINE. SO THESE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW WILL HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT SEGMENTS AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE. AND AS SOON AS WE CAN GET A DESIGNER ON BOARD. THAT THE PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH LIMITS. IT IS A LONG TIME FOR BEACH BOULEVARD. THIS IS A COUNTY ROUTES. ALL THESE PROJECTS AND FRONT ART WITHIN THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THAT IS WHY D.O.T. HAS REACHED OUT TO US TO OVERSEE THESE PROJECTS. IT IS A COUNTY PROJECT. I AM SORRY. I COUNTY ROAD. WE DO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO THE BEACH COMMISSION LAST NIGHT. JUST TO GIVE THEM AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO BE EITHER TO APPROVE OR DENY TODAY. AND THIS IS ANOTHER 8 TO 12 FOOT WIDE TRAIL THAT WILL HELP WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THIS PROJECT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY ONLY PROVIDED US FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN EFFORT AT THIS TIME. WE DO EXPECT RECEIVE THE FUTURE FUNDS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OVERSIGHT. WE ARE PUSHING THIS TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS EVEN EARLIER. WE WILL SEE ALL PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MOVE THESE THINGS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS A $25 MILLION-$26 MILLION PROGRAM. WE EXPECTED TO GO HIGHER WITH THE BRIDGE OVERPASS ON 95 AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS FOR THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH LIMITS. WE ARE REQUESTING THIS SECOND MOTION DOWN HERE.

IT IS TO APPROVE FOR OUR STAFF TO HELP US OVERSEE THESE AND BRING SOMEONE IN THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE TO HELP OVERSEE THESE DIRECTIVES. IT IS THE SECOND

MOTION TODAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CALDWELL. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW HAIR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. IF YOU LIKE TO SPEAK IN ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MICHAEL MCDONALD. FIRST LET'S ADDRESS THE BEACH. HAS ANYONE DRIVEN DOWN THE BEACH? THERE ARE PALM TREES ALL THE WAY DOWN RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT -- HOW CAN YOU EXTEND THAT SIDEWALK AT ALL ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT? I AM SURE THESE GENTLEMEN CAN ATTEST TO THAT. THERE IS NO SPACE TO RUN DOWN A1A WITH ANYTHING LARGER. THERE ARE PALM TREES DECORATED FOR OUR SEASONAL ACTIVITIES . THAT MAKES NO SENSE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME IN THERE BECAUSE NO ONE HAS DRIVEN DOWN THE BEACHSIDE TO REMOVE -- WHAT IS THAT -- EVERY PALM TREE GOING DOWN A1A TO GO IN THIS. PUT IN THIS TRAIL? SECOND, I WOULD LOVE TO WITH ALL THIS COMMOTION AND ALL THIS FUNDING, HAVE WE EVER PUT A SENSOR ON THIS TRAIL TO SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC ON THAT TRAIL IS? LIKE, I MEAN, I JUST SAW ONE AND THERE'S ONE I BITE 206 AND A1A RIGHT NOW. HOW MANY TIMES DO PEOPLE GO OVER IT? I MEAN, WE HAVE GOT $26 MILLION. LET'S SEE WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS WE ARE USING ON THE TRAIL. IT DOES NOT LOOK VERY WELL USED. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS NOT A VERY GOOD IDEA FOR THE ACTIVE COMMUNITY, BUT $25 MILLION AND ACTUALLY ABSORB AND LEAVE MORE BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO BUILD AN OVERPASS OVER 95. THIS IS ORANGE COUNTY COMING TO FRUITION. LET'S GET SOME STUDIES ON THIS BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS. I MEAN, $25 MILLION FOR A -- DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT THAT JAYLEN TRAILS BECAUSE I'M SURE ONE WHO GOES DOWN TO A SIX OR 207 HAS PROBABLY SEEN MAYBE 10 CARS MAX ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD USING IT AT ONE TIME. AND THIS IS IT.

THE HIGHEST POINT OF TRAFFIC. THESE ARE WEEKENDS I'M GOING OUT TO HASTINGS. AND THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT THESE ARE BEING UTILIZED AND THERE ARE TWO BIKES ON ON THAT STRETCH OF HIGHWAY. IT SEEMS WASTEFUL. IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT AWARE, THE ECONOMY IS NOT DOING VERY WELL. WE SHOULD PROBABLY START TRYING

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OPINION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE FROM MILL CREEK ESTATES. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXPANSIVE USE OF MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THAT MUCH USED. RIGHT? NOW, MAYBE IF IT IS IN THE SAINT AUGUSTINE DOWNTOWN AREA, YES. OKAY? YOU HAVE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. BUT TO BRING IT OUT TO ELTON AND DON TO HASTINGS, YEAH, IT IS NICE, WIDE OPEN AREA, BUT I TRAVEL AT 207 QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND I THINK OVER THE YEARS I HAVE STOPPED FOR MAYBE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE CROSSING THAT HIGHWAY EXTENSIVE CROSSING ZONE. RIGHT THERE ON 207. YES.

I KNOW I DON'T LIVE ON TO A SEVEN TRAVELING UP AND DOWN IT, BUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS GETTING PUT INTO THAT AND THEN YOU BRING IN EXTRA MONEY ON TOP TO HELP FIND OUT A MORE STRUCTURAL WAY OF DOING IT. IT SEEMS IT IS JUST LIKE ADDING ON, ADDING ON, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE IT A RAILS TO TRAILS SITUATION THAT IS GOING ON IN FLORIDA. BUT IT REALLY IS HAVING IT A LOT MORE SIMPLE AND TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE. ACTUALLY, WITH THE UTILITIES THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE 207 13 JUNCTION, THE RESTROOMS RIGHT THERE, AND THEN ALSO DOWN THERE IN HASTINGS.

WELL, THAT IS GREAT. THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS OF INTEREST THAT WILL BE USED. BUT THEY NEED TO BE USED MORE OFTEN. OKAY? BUT WHEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL THAT FAR TO RIDE A BIKE AND THEY CAN DO IT WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT. BUT, ALSO, MAYBE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THAT IS GOING IN THE FUNDING RIGHT THERE TO GET THE TRAILS PUT UP OR IMPROVED. THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME PICKLE BALL CORTS ON

THEM. THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. DYLAN GAMBRELL, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK GREG CALDWELL AND STAFF ARE DOING A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH.

WE SAW THIS PRESENTATION AND I THINK YOU FOR THAT. THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS. WE HAVE PASSED A RESOLUTION BACK IN 2019 IN SUPPORT OF THIS. WE THANK YOU FOR THE FUNDING THAT CAME THROUGH. I KNOW THAT GREG CALDWELL AND THE COUNTY AND STAFF WILL WORK HARD NOT TO WRECK THE AVENUE OF PALMS. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING ON THE BEACH, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMERTIME, SO WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR

TIME. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? I SEE NONE. WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'RE BACK TO THE BAR FOR

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT THE $26 MILLION IN GRANT FUNDS FROM THE FLORIDA

SUN TRAIL. >> YES. THANK YOU, MR. KANE.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> I AM GOING TO PREFERENCE MY MOTION BY SAYING I THINK I CAN CONFIRM THIS, CRAIG. LAST NIGHT AT THE SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH HERE, I THOUGHT YOU PUT UP A SIGN THAT POINTED OUT THAT 75% APPROVAL RATING FROM THE SURVEY OF RESIDENTS WHO WANTED MORE TRAILS, MORE BIKING TRAILS, MORE WALKING TRAILS. DID I DREAM THAT IS THAT CORRECT?

>> ECHOES BACK TO THE 2019 MASTER PLAN FOR OUR PARKS AND

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>> WITH THAT SAID, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO ADOPT

2024 -- >> 146.

>> RECOGNIZING THE GRANT FUNDS FROM THE FLORIDA SHARED USE SUN TRAIL PROGRAM FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH FIVE SEGMENTS OF THE SUN TRAIL NETWORK IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

AND THE UNANTICIPATED REVENUE INTO THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND BY THE CAPITAL PROJECTS DEPARTMENT APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE CHAIR TO EXECUTE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY THE REQUIRED AGREEMENTS AND ASSOCIATED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE FORM AND FORMAT AS

ATTACHED. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT BRINGS US TO 5-0.

[3. Capital Improvement Revenue Refunding Bonds, Series 2024.]

>> AND I HAVE A SECOND MOTION. THE MOTION TO TRANSFER $55,000 FROM THE TRUST FUND RESEARCH FOR THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS OF ONE FTE FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT OF THIS GRANT

PROJECT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. 5-0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO HEAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE AND THEN WE WILL BREAK FOR LUNCH.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. THE DIRECTOR OF OFFICE MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET. WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD A REFINANCING OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL RESULT IN SAVINGS ON DEBT SERVICE. THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 6TH, AND THE MOTION AT THAT TIME THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE WAS TO THE FINANCE TEAM, AND TO FACILITATE THE REFINANCING OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REVENUE REFUNDING BONDS SERIES 2014 , A CROSS-SECTION OF THAT FINANCE TEAM IS HERE TODAY INCLUDING GRANT SCHROEDER FROM OMB. ANDERSON FROM THE CHIEF CONTROLLERS OFFICE. J GLOVER WHO WAS ARE PROCURED FINANCIAL ADVISER FROM PFM, AS WELL AS STEVE MILLER FROM THE NEIGHBORS ON BOND COUNSEL. SO WITH THAT, I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO HAND THIS OFF TO J GLOVER WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE OVERVIEW OF THE REFINANCING IN HOPES TO CONSIDER THAT MOTION PROVIDED.

J? >> THANKS, JESSE. MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, J GLOVER FROM FINANCIAL ADVISERS. WHERE THE COUNTY ADVISER ON MATTERS. I WILL GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED REFUNDING FOR YOU TODAY. THE COUNTY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REVENUE REFUNDING BONDS SERIES 2014 WERE ACTUALLY CALLABLE ON JULY 10 2024 WITH NO PENALTIES.

SO WE ARE APPROACHING THE OPPORTUNE TIME TO REFUND THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF PENALTY. SO GIVEN THE CURRENT LEVEL OF INTEREST RATES, WE THINK THE COUNTY CAN ACHIEVE SIGNIFICANT DEBT SERVICE SAVINGS BY DOING SO. I MENTIONED THAT JULY 2024 CALL DATE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT A CURRENT REFUNDING WITH TAX-EXEMPT BOND PROCEEDS CAN ONLY BE DONE UP TO 90 DAYS BEFORE THE CALL DATE. SO STARTING ESSENTIALLY TODAY, COINCIDENTALLY ENOUGH, OPENS IT CURRENT CALL WINDOW WHERE THE BONDS CAN BE CURRENTLY CALLED WITH A TAX-EXEMPT REFUNDING PROCEED. WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT IF THE COUNTY BASED ON CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS MOVES FORWARD THAT YOU CAN SAVE ABOUT $630 ON A NET SERVICE THAT BASIS OR 6.6% OF REFUNDED BONDS PAR AMOUNT. AND I QUOTE THAT 6.6% BECAUSE WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING A REFUNDED, GFL HE GENERALLY SAYS YOU WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH REFUNDING IF YOU CAN SAVE ANYWHERE FROM 3% TO 5% OF THE BONDS PER AMOUNT. SAVER IN EXCESS OF THAT RECOMMENDED AMOUNT TODAY. SO THAT IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND THERE'S A FEW MORE OVERVIEWS ABOUT THE ACTUAL BONDS WE ARE FUNDING CARE. AGAIN, THEY WERE ISSUED IN 2014 AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY ISSUED TO REFUND THE 2000 5A BONDS. YOU ISSUED THEM IN 2005 THEN GOT TO THAT TENURE WINDOW

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AND, AGAIN, FOR IN EXCESS OF 6% AS WE SIT HERE TODAY. THAT IS A MINIMUM PARAMETER WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. SO IF MARKET CONDITIONS THE STEROID AND WE CANNOT MEET THE SAVINGS, WE HAVE TO PUT FINANCING ON THE SHELF IN HOPES FOR A BETTER CONDITION IN THE FUTURE TO MEET THOSE SAVINGS. HERE, JUST GRAPHICALLY, SHOWING WHAT YOUR CURRENT DEBT SERVICE IS, YOU WILL SEE HERE THE PRIOR DEBT SERVICE COLUMN IS WHAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY PAYING ON YOUR 2014 BONDS. THE REFUNDING THAT SERVICE SHOWS WHAT THE NEW BOND THAT SERVICE WOULD BE AND THUS YOUR ANNUAL SAVINGS IS ABOUT $65,000 PER YEAR TO THE EXISTING TERM OF THESE BONDS. SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE ARE NOT EXTENDING THE MATURITY AT ALL. WE ARE JUST TAKING LEVEL SAVINGS OVER THE EXISTING LIFE OF THE TRANSACTION WHICH IS 2035 AND WE ALWAYS THINK BACK TO TODAY'S DOLLARS. SO, AGAIN, $630,000 OF PRESENT VALUE DEBT SERVICE SAVINGS.

ONE THING BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL REQUESTS FROM YOU ALL, I DID WANT TO MENTION SOME GOOD NEWS, WHICH I THINK JESSE HIT ON BRIEFLY AS PART OF THE PARKS PROCESS IS. WE WENT THROUGH A CREDIT RATING REVIEW BY MOODY'S FOR THIS TRANSACTION. AND THEY ACTUALLY JUST ON MARCH THE 29TH AFFIRMED THE COUNTY'S TRIPOLI CREDIT RATING. SO THAT IS THE HIGHEST CREDIT RATING POSSIBLE. IF I MIGHT JUST READ FROM THEIR REPORT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RATIONALE FOR THAT RATING BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS. I WILL PUT MY HEAD DOWN AND READ THE REPORT. IT IS AN EXCEPTIONALLY STRONG CREDIT PROFILE AND DRIVES FROM A SIZABLE AND GROWING ECONOMY.

SUBSTANTIAL POPULATION GROWTH THAT IS DRIVEN AND DRIVING NEW DEVELOPMENT. BALANCED FINANCIAL OPERATIONS. HEALTHY RESERVES AND RELATIVELY LOW DEBT AND PENSION BURDENS BELOW THE AVERAGE FIXED COSTS. AS A COASTAL COMMUNITY, SAINT JOHNS FACES ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS, CHIEFLY THOSE WITH HURRICANES.

THESE RISKS ARE LARGELY MITIGATED BY THE COUNTY'S PRACTICE OF MAINTAINING VERY HEALTHY LIQUIDITY WHICH HAS HELPED FUND CLEANUP AND REPAIR EFFORTS IN THE IMMEDIATE WAKE OF A STORM IN ADVANCE OF THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND REIMBURSEMENTS. SO, AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE HERE. I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT AS PART OF THE REVIEW, WE DID MENTION THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL DEBT FOR THE PARKS PROJECT, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THIS REPORT SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT FUTURE DEBT WILL BE COMING AS WELL GIVEN YOUR APPROVAL TODAY. SO ALL THAT IS FACTORED INTO THE AAA RATING THEY PROVIDE, WHICH AGAIN IS THE HIGHEST RATING YOU CAN GET. I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING FOR YOU HERE TODAY IS ACTUALLY TO APPROVE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REFUNDING, ASSUMING WE CAN MEET THE PARAMETERS WITHIN THE RESOLUTION. AND, IF WE DO, WE ARE PLANNING TO CLOSE THE TRANSACTION AT THE END OF APRIL AND WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU

ALL MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

JOSEPH? >> I DID HEAR THAT DURING BASED ON MARKET CONDITIONS, AND TODAY IT MARKED 500 AND YESTERDAY 200, DOES THAT AFFECT THIS AT ALL?

>> YES. I THINK WHEN YOU SAY DROP YOUR REFERRING TO THE STOCK MARKET. IT HAS BEEN A BIT OF A ROLLER COASTER RIDE. I WILL SAY THE MISCIBLE BOND MARKET HAS BEEN QUITE VOLATILE AS WELL. WE ARE BEING CONSERVATIVE IN THE ESTIMATES

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PARAMETER. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

>> ALL RIGHT. I NOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. IF YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. SEEING NINE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

>> OKAY. WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> MOTION. MOTION TO ADOPT

RESOLUTION 2024 . >> 147.

>> AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA SPECIAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING REVENUE BOND SERVERS 24 IN AN AMOUNT NOT $11 MILLION. AND AUTHORIZING THE COMPETITIVE SALE OF BONDS AND DELEGATING FOR AUTHORITY COUNTY AND THE BONDS OF THE BITTER AND PROVIDING TRUE INTEREST COST TO THE COUNTY. AND VARIOUS RELATED DOCUMENTS AND EXECUTION THEREOF. PAYING ON AN ESCROW AGENT. PROVIDING THE SECURITY FOR THE BONDS AND PROVISIONS THEREOF AND PROVIDING SEVERAL AT AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[4. SJC Ordinance amending SJC Ordinance 2022-22, 1st Reading.]

[*A portion of this item is without audio*]

PREVIOUSLY, THE DEFINITION INCLUDED AN OBJECTION TO SOLICITATION, BUT WITH THE DEFINITION BEING THAT IT IS PRESENTED AT NOTICE OF INTENT TO PRESENT AWARD, IT KIND OF MUDDIED UP THE WATER WHEN PROTESTS COULD BE SUBMITTED AND WHAT THEY APPLIED TO. SO THAT IS THE CLARIFICATION HERE.

THE NEXT THREE DEFINITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED ARE SIMPLY FOR CLARIFICATION ON HOW WE CALL VENDORS AND WHAT SOLICITATIONS AND HOW THEY APPLY. IT IS REALLY ADDING RESPONSE TO THESE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE IN THE POLICY. SO NOTHING MATERIAL THERE. JUST ADDING ANOTHER TERM. SO THE NEXT SECTION IS ON LOCAL PREFERENCE. A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. THE LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY WAS ADOPTED IN 2019. AND IT APPLIED TO ALL SOLICITATIONS, INCLUDING FORMAL AND INFORMAL, WHETHER IT BE WITH A 10% CONSIDERATION ON PRICE OR WITHIN POINTS AND EVALUATION. JUST FOR SOME HISTORY AND FOR SOME STATISTICS, IN THE FOUR YEARS

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[5. Public Hearing * PUD 2023-21 Bella Terra. ]

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE LOCAL VENDORS. THANK YOU FOR THE MANY LONG CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH THEM. THANK

YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> OKAY. THERE IS NO MORE BOARD ACTIONS IN COMMON? THANK YOU.

ONTO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. >> NOPE.

>> DENIED ON NUMBER FIVE. QUASIJUDICIAL. THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? SPINNING.

WHEN BUT DISCUSS THEIR NEW PLANS.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I HAD A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. I ALSO SPOKE WITH -- MET WITH JUDY SPIEGEL TO DISCUSS HER OPINION AND I SPOKE ON THE PHONE WITH JOSHUA JERRY

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THANK YOU. >> OKAY. I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH THEIR BRUNETTE AND COMMISSIONER SOMERSET TO DISCUSS THE VARIOUS CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION. MR.

WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU. I MET WITH OUR STAFF IN THIS OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE SITE LOCATION. WE TALKED ABOUT THE PAST DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION. WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES THEY HAVE MADE SINCE THAT DENIAL. AND I ALSO SAW THE SEVERAL EMAILS THAT THE COMMISSIONER

REFERENCED. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR. >> SORRY. LAST WEDNESDAY I MET WITH DOUG BURNETT AND JAMES SOMERSET AND WE DISCUSSED THOSE FOUR OR FIVE ITEMS, INCLUDING THE INCREASED ACREAGE THAT WAS ADDED TO THE PROJECT. NOW, THIS PROJECT WAS DENIED REJECTED A YEAR AGO IN MARCH. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF CHANGES. ONE WAS THE LAND AREA. ANOTHER WAS THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY. THAT IS INCLUDING THE INGRESS, EGRESS.

SO IT WOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENCE WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE SUCH A LONG DRIVE AND YOU TURN. ALSO, THERE WERE SOME FLIGHT CONTROL ISSUES SO WE HAD A PRETTY THOROUGH DISCUSSION.

AND I HAVE GOTTEN PROMPTLY 10 EMAILS AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE

RECORD. >> THANK YOU. THE FLORIDA

SHORES. >> FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNETT. MAIN STREET HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. WITH ME HERE TODAY IS JAMES SOMERSET. ALSO HERE IS GLEN WALKER FROM ASSOCIATES, OUR ENGINEER. AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. AND RYAN CARTER, OUR CONSULTANT THIS YEAR. SO WE HAD A TEAM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I WANT TO TELL YOU AS COMMISSIONER DEAN WAS POINTING OUT, THERE WAS A PRIOR PROJECT WITH A SIMILAR NAME. BUT THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEVELOPER.

AND SOME OF THE ACTUAL PIECES OF LAND INVOLVED ARE DIFFERENT.

IN FACT, THE PIECE OF LAND FROM THE FAMILY IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. AND THE JOE PACHE PARCEL WAS NOT EVEN A PART OF THIS PROJECT PREVIOUSLY. AND, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENT LAND THAT IS LARGER NOW AND WE DO NOT HAVE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. SO VERY, VERY DIFFERENT PROJECT. LOOKING TRUSTINGLY AT THE AREA, U.S. ONESELF, SOUTH OF WATSON ROAD, ACCESS FROM U.S. 1. A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK. YOU CAN SEE OSPREY MARSHLAND TO THE LEFT WITH A SUBDIVISION THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE NUMEROUS LAND OWNERS THAT MAKE UP THE OWNERSHIP INTEREST OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION. AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, IT IS IN THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT WHICH WOULD ALLOW UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE AND ONE OF THE BROADEST RANGES POSSIBLE. FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, A COUPLE PROPORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY HAVE COMMERCIAL ZONING. THE PRIMARY ZONING IS OPENED WORLD, CURRENTLY. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE AERIAL MAP, YOU CANSEE JUST LOCATION WISE WERE THE CLINIC IS. TRUEST BANK. MY CLASSIC FAVOR, THE CARPET MUSEUM. OSPREY LANDING.

AND PLAZA SELF, WHICH IS THAT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE COMPLEX OFF U.S. ONE. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, UNDER KB HOMES OF LEADERSHIP, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS HAVE A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AT OSPREY LANDING ON GREEN WILLOW LANE WHERE THIS CUL-DE-SAC IS CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY SO THAT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE WE COULD GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING OVER AT THE EXISTING PROPERTY. WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM? ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. TRY TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS WERE BEFORE FILING THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY. LOOKING AT THE PRIOR PROJECT, JUST VERY BRIEFLY SHOWING THIS VERY, VERY

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AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY GOT THAT CALLED OUT IN TWO LOCATIONS JUST OFF THE SCREEN TO THE RIGHT. IT IS CALLED OUT THERE AS WELL. AND I NOTICED THAT YOU GOT AN EMAIL ON FRIDAY FROM MS. BERGERON TO ALL FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND THERE SHE WAS SPECIFICALLY QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THAT 20 FOOT BUFFER THAT I AM SHOWING YOU WOULD EXTEND THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY TO ALSO SERVE THE RESIDENTS IN THE CIRCLE BELOW AND IT ACTUALLY DOES. IT IS ON OUR MAP ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND IS ON THERE AND IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. NO CHANGES ARE NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. THE ONLY PLACE WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE 20 FEET IN BETWEEN THE PROJECT AS THIS LOCATION HERE BECAUSE THERE IS A 65 FOOT OAK TREE IN THAT SPACE THAT WILL BE PRESERVED ANYWAY. I DO WANT TO PUT A FLAG UP HERE FOR KB BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE KB HAS EXPERIENCE IN OUR COUNTY. IT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW TO THEM.

THE FOURTH, FINAL ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED BY THE OSPREY LANDING FOLKS WAS THEY WERE CURIOUS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF TWO LARGE PINE TREES THAT THEY LOOK AT. IF YOU LOOK AT OSPREY LANDING FROM ACROSS THE LAKE, YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE TWO LARGE PINE TREES. THIS IS VIEWED FROM RIGHT IN BETWEEN TWO HOUSES I BELIEVE IN THAT LOCATION CLOSE TO A ROAD. AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A RYAN CARTER WHO IS HERE, WHO I INTRODUCED EARLIER, GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE TWO TREES AND LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED AT AND ANALYZE, YOU KNOW, THE HEALTH OF THE TWO TREES. THEY ARE IN GOOD HEALTH. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ONE OF THOSE TWO PINE TREES IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY SO WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IMPACTING IT. IT IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE OSPREY LANDING CAN PUT PERIMETER BUFFER OUTSIDE OF THE POND IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THEIR POND. BUT THE OTHER LOOKS LIKE IT IS ON OUR PROPERTY ARE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND WE HAVE CALLED BOTH OF THOSE OUT SO THEY WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY OUR PROJECT. AND FINALLY I POINT OUT THAT KB HOME EARLIER, AND THE REASON I DID THIS, IS THERE ARE HERITAGE OAKS INVOLVED WITH RUSSELL SAMSON. THAT OAK IS LITTERED WITH SPECIMEN TREES ALL THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. AND THEY HAD NO PROBLEM DEVELOPING THAT PROJECT AND STAY AWAY FROM THE TREES IN THOSE KIND OF THING SO I WANT TO SHOW YOU A FEW PICTURES OF THAT. PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING TO NOTE IS THE CHANGE BETWEEN THESE TWO PROJECTS IS IN THE ORIGINAL APARTMENT PROJECT, THE BELLA TERRA PROJECT FROM OVER A YEAR AGO, THAT ACCESS WAS ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. ON OUR PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY, BECAUSE INCLUDING THE JOE PEK PARCEL, IT CONNECTS WITH U.S. 1 AND HOW IT AVOIDS THE ROAD. IF WE LOOK AT AND ARIAL AND SAY

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PCA WAS A FIVE TO 2 RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

JUDY APPROVED PORTED APPROVAL WHO SUPPORTED OSPREY LANDING.

DR. HELSEN BACK AND MR. PETER WERE THE TWO DISSENTING VOTES, AND I POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THE CONCERN THAT THEY RAISED LARGELY WAS RELATED TO WETLANDS AND STORMWATER. SO I WANTED TO AT THE NEXT SLIDE ASKED MR. CARTER TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU. BRIANNE CARTER. 42 MASTERS DRIVE, SAINT AUGUSTINE FLORIDA. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PERMIT THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS A PERMIT THAT I WORKED ON ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY FOR -- TO HELP TO ALLEVIATE THE FLOODING OF THE WIND CIRCLE PROJECT WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH. THAT PROJECT, I THINK IT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 90S. AND IT HAD SYSTEMIC FLOODING PROBLEMS. AND THE COUNTY STEPPED IN TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS, AND THE WAY THAT WAS DONE, AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE POND WHICH IS IN PURPLE AND IDENTIFIED AS THE .79 ACRE STORMWATER POND, THEY LOWERED THE NORMAL LEVEL OF THAT POND BY APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET. THAT IS PRETTY DRAMATIC. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THERE WAS HYDROLOGIC DRAWDOWN TO THE ADJACENT WETLANDS. AND THE DRAWDOWN, WE TYPICALLY ASSESS IT IN THREE ZONES. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT EXHIBIT, WE HAD A FULL DRAWDOWN WHICH IS THE LAST LEGEND IN RED, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY GREATER THAN SIX INCHES OF DRAWDOWN. THAT REALLY PERMANENTLY DAMAGES THE HYDROLOGY OF THE WETLANDS SO THE WAY DOES NOT FUNCTION HYDRO LOGICALLY ANYMORE. THAT IS WHY THAT AREA IS CALLED A FULL DRAWDOWN. THEN THERE IS A MEDIUM DRAWDOWN BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE DRAWN DOWN BETWEEN THREE AND 6 INCHES. TYPICALLY 6 INCHES OR GREATER IS THE FULL DRAWDOWN. BECAUSE WHEN WE ARE DELINEATING WETLANDS, WE LOOK AT THE TOP 6 INCHES OF THE GROUNDWATER. SO THREE TO 6 IS MEDIUM. THEN FROM ZERO TO THREE AS LOW. THOSE THREE CATEGORIES WERE ASSESSED IN THE COUNTY MITIGATED FOR THEM. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE POND IMPACTED THE DRAWDOWN ON NOT ONLY OUR ON-SITE WETLANDS FOR OFF-SITE WETLANDS TO THE EAST, AND THEREFORE THE SCORES IN THE MEDICATION THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY HAD TO MITIGATE WILL THEREFORE INHERIT THAT AND WILL OF COURSE -- OUR PROJECT WILL HAVE TO FURTHER MITIGATE BUT WE WILL START AT THOSE BASE SCORES. SO THAT IS THE HISTORY WITH THE DRAWDOWN, AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> AND THEN IF I COULD ASK GLENN WIEDER TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN THAT ASPECT AND WE WILL CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS WELL.

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>> HELLO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS GLENN WIEDER.

I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. 473 PINE GROVE JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. A ENGINEERING PRINCIPLE IS THAT DRAINAGE DOES NOT NECESSARILY FOLLOW PROPERTY LINES SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROPERTY IN THE SOUTH HAS A DISCHARGE. WE MUST ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND TAKE IT IN AND IT MUST NOT BE WORSE THAN IT WAS BEFORE. WE WILL ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT BETTER. YOU CAN SEE THE EASEMENT THERE ON THE SOUTH. RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE WINTON CIRCLE DEVELOPMENT.

IT WILL GO INTO THIS POND WHICH IS INTERCONNECTED TO ANOTHER POND. THE CURRENT DISCHARGE FOR THAT SMALL PURPLE POND WAS INTO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OVER HERE. WE WILL FOLLOW THAT DISCHARGE, TRYING TO CHANGE POTENTIALLY A LOWER TAIL WATER WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE TO THE SOUTH. WE HAVE HEARD AND RECOGNIZE THERE ARE STILL DRAINAGE COMPLAINTS WITH THAT SO THERE IS EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE THAT BETTER WITH THESE LARGER PONDS. BUT THE DISCHARGE WILL FOLLOW OUT. AS I SAID UP HERE, WE DO NOT HAVE FULL SURVEY ON THAT YET BECAUSE THE PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY PERMITTED DO THE PROCESS BUT THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP ON THAT. IS THERE ANY DRAINAGE

QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER? >> THERE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE

SO. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> AND, COMMISSIONER, GLENN, IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IT WHERE THE COUNTY IS IT NOW IS TO WHAT THE SYSTEM WILL DO, IT ACTUALLY WILL INCREASE AND ENHANCE THE PROJECT AND BE BETTER? THE GRAMMAGE SITUATION THAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW WILL ACTUALLY BE BETTER AFTER IT IS --

>> CURRENT DUE DILIGENCE? YES. AND WE CANNOT GET ANY PERMITTING IF PASS WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET AN ERP OR PERMITTING. SO IT THE ABSOLUTE WORST, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TANK, BUT THIS WOULD IMPROVE IT AND BE BETTER.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND JUST TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, WHICH I MAY HAVE STATED AT OUR MEETINGS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT KB HOMES KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE GETTING THEMSELVES INTO FROM THE BEGINNING RELATED TO IT. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR ENGINEERS ARE GOING TO BE TASKED WITH NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM. YOUR STAFF CERTAINLY IS ALL TOO FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE COUNTY WENT THROUGH. SO WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE A HIGH BAR ON THIS ONE SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ACTUALLY MAKE IT BETTER AND DO NOT CAUSE ANYTHING TO MAKE IT GO BACK TO THE DAYS OF THE MISERY THAT YOU EXPERIENCED. THERE ARE TWO BIG THINGS IN THERE THAT I THINK WILL BE OBVIOUS, IT THAT IS, ONE, THIS ACCESS RIGHT HERE ACTUALLY SERVES THE HORSE FARM. SO ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS COMING OFF OF WINTON CIRCLE RIGHT HERE TO THE HORSE FARM, AND IT IS A FAIRLY COMMERCIAL HORSE FROM THAT GOES ON UP THERE, THOSE CARS GOING THROUGH THERE FROM THE KIDS AFTER SCHOOL NEEDING A RIDE, THAT CONNECTION IS GOING TO GO AWAY.

THE ONLY THING WE EXPECT ON OUR MAP IS THAT IT IS POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN INTERCONNECTIVITY. NO VEHICLE. BY THE WAY, EVEN WITH THE COUNTIES POND RIGHT THERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT AND THE DITCHES IN THAT AREA, THERE IS USUALLY STANDING WATER. SO THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS SITUATION COULD BE MADE BETTER. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAVE COME BACK AND DELIVER TO YOU WHAT EVERYONE SAID THEY WANTED TO SEE OVER A YEAR AGO, WHICH WAS NO MULTIFAMILY. BRING THE SINGLE-FAMILY. BRING A CERTAIN DENSITY. WE HAVE A LOWER DENSITY THAN WHAT WAS BEING ASKED FOR AT THAT TIME. WE HAVE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I THINK IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN INUNDATED WITH COMMENTS, YOU HAVE MET THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

SO, WITH THAT, I WILL END MY PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BARNETT. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> SO THE GLENN WIEDER PARK. IN THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PART.

NOT THE PARTIAL OR ALL THAT. >> YOU ARE ASKING IF IT WAS NOT

A PUD? >> YEAH. LIKE, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DID NOT COME TO US YOU COULD BUILD LIKE WHAT? HOW MANY

HOMES PER ACRE? >> THAT IS INTERESTING. I HAVE NOT ANALYZED THAT ONE. GIVE ME A MINUTE AND I WILL CRUNCH SOME

NUMBERS. >> YEAH. THAT IS THE ONLY ONE.

OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW OPEN

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THANK YOU. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS JUDY SPIEGEL. I LIVE AT 101 GREENSBORO LANE. AS MENTIONED, I AM NOT REPRESENTING ASBURY LANE NECESSARILY TODAY. I JUST REPRESENT THE PGA AS A HOMEOWNER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WOULD PREFER THAT NOTHING GO IN THERE. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. WE LOVE THE VIEW. WE LOVE THE AMBIENCE. IT IS JUST ELEGANT AND LOVELY. WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS AND WANT THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO TO MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES, AND EVERYBODY THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH IS OKAY WITH THIS. WITH THIS PROJECT. IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO OURS. A LITTLE MORE DENSE. BUT IT IS HOUSES.

SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT WILL BE OWNED BY PEOPLE LIKE US. SO I AM VERY GRATEFUL THAT MR. BURNETT DID COME AND MEET WITH US BEFORE HE EVEN PUT IN AN APPLICATION. HE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND SEE WHAT ADJUSTMENTS THEY COULD MAKE AND THEY DID MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. I DO HAVE ONE ASK OF MR. BURNETT, AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT BUT I WILL PUT IT OUT HERE. I'M SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A BIG RALLY AGAINST BELLA TERRA, THE OLD BELLA TERRA PLAN, BUT THEY WERE WONDERING IF IT EIGHT FOOT FENCE COULD EXTEND ON THAT CORNER AS WELL SO I WILL JUST BUT THAT OUT THERE. IN THE INTEREST OF COMMUNITY AND UNITY AND COMMONALITY. I THINK WE ARE AWARE THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE IMPACTED. THERE ARE GOING TO BE HOMES THERE. BUT ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS MADE AN INTERESTING COMMENT TODAY. I JUST WANT THE U.S. ONE, THAT SECTION, TO BE FINISHED BEING BUILT. I WANT THE ORANGE CONES TO BE GONE AND I JUST WANTED TO BE GONE BECAUSE THEY ARE REPAVING A DOING SOME RESURFACING, AND IT IS JUST FUNNY HOW YOU WILL TAKE SOMETHING, AND WHEN IT GETS DISRUPTED YOU JUST WANTED TO GO BACK. AND IT JUST DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK. YOU GET USED TO WHAT YOU HAVE. I THINK PEOPLE ARE REALIZING THAT NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE PERFECT HERE. SO I AM GOING TO SAY THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL BUT ULTIMATELY THE DECISION RESTS WITH YOU. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT 69 HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD I HAVE SPOKEN WITH ARE NOT IN OPPOSITION AT THIS POINT. SO THANK YOU.

>> MICHAEL MCDONALD. WHEN SLOPE DIGGERS NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST PLAN TO COME APPEAR AT ANY TIME. SO IF YOU GUYS CANNOT TELL THE QUALITY OF WORK AND ACROSS SHIP THAT THEY PROVIDE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER YOUR JUDGMENT. THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR COMMUNITY ONE PARCEL AT A TIME. AND ON DENSE SCALES.

THIS GENTLEMAN TOLD US LAST TIME THAT THEIR PROJECT IS ABOUT COMPLETE. WE NEED THIS APPROVAL SO WE CAN SHIFT HIM FOR THE NEXT ONE FOR THE, WHAT WAS IT, MILLS WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT THEY JUST APPROVED LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO. THEY TOLD YOU GUYS THAT THEY WERE BRINGING THEIR PEOPLE FROM THE OTHERSITE. AS I SAID, THESE ARE NOT LOCAL CONTRACTORS.

THESE ARE NOT LOCAL TRADESMEN. THEY PROVIDE US NO LOCAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. AND KB HOMES PROVIDE US NO LOCAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. ALL THEY BUYER SODAS FROM THE GAS STATION AND SOME HOT DOGS. THAT IS ABOUT THE ONLY ECONOMIC BENEFIT KB HOMES IS DOING FOR US AND GIVING THIS LOVELY LAWYER PLENTY OF WORK. AND HE MADE A GREAT PRESENTATION AND I'M SURPRISED THAT JUDY IS SUPPORTIVE OF IT BUT SHE IS A SMART WOMAN AND I RESPECT HER OPINION. BUT THIS PROJECT JUST SEEMS -- WHEN DOES IT END? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THIS U.S. 1 IS THE DESIRABLE LOCATION AND WE DO NOT HAVE EASEMENTS COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT. COMING IN NORTH TO GET OUT OF THE PROPERTY, AS SOON AS THERE IS SOMEONE IN THIS TRAFFIC LANE AND SOMEBODY IS DOING 60 MILES AN HOUR DOWN U.S. 1, THEY ARE GOING TO SMASH INTO THE BACK BECAUSE THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF MERGING AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS ON U.S.

1. JUST TAKE IT FROM 206 NORTH. AND THEN SOMEBODY'S BACK END IS GOING TO BE TOTALED THERE. I GUARANTEE IT. AS SOON AS THERE IS ONE CAR IN THAT LANE AND SUMMARY SLOWS DOWN. SO, YEAH, THAT IS ABOUT IT. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK MORE INTO KB HOMES FOR THE COLLECTIVE WORK AND OWNERSHIP THAT THEY WILL DO IN RENTING OUT THIS. THE FREE MARKET IS NOT

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LIKE, IF THESE PEOPLE ARE PAYING THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY FOR THIS, IT IS DISTURBING. I WILL HAVE TO BRING UP SOME VIDEOS. I HAVE GOT SOME PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN KB HOMES. I WILL HAVE TO BRING IN FORAGE OF THEIR TILES CRACKED. I MEAN, IT IS JUST A POROUS QUALITY YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE.

HUNTER, MIDDLE CREEK ESTATES. I HAVE GOT A PRESENTATION. IT IS LOADING UP.

OKAY. THERE WE GO. EXCELLENT. SO THERE WE GO. 37 ACRES. 155 SINGLE UNITS. THINKING ABOUT THE MILLS WORKFORCE THAT WAS FOUGHT FOR A WHILE AND THEY HAD TO CHANGE IT AND CHANGE IT AND CHANGE IT, THIS ONE TOO HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM 2001 TO UP TO NOW MORE SPACE, MORE HOUSES, LESS SPACE, MORE HOUSES. THIS THAT AND THE OTHER. BUT, YES, TO PUT 155 SINGLE UNITS AND 37 ACRES, THAT IS MAXIMIZING THE SPACE. OKAY? THEY HAVE THE TWO GREAT TREES MARKED ON THE PROPERTIES. AND THEN ALSO, LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER ONES. OKAY? THERE IS SOME CIRCLE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE IN THE 99 PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT GO THERE, BUT DUE TO RESTRAINTS, IT COULD BE A LOT MORE PROPERTIES GOING IN RIGHT THERE. IN THEM BELOW IT IS DEERFIELD ESTATES.

ASSUMING IT IS 26, BUT THE ESTATES DIRECTLY BESIDE THAT ONE ARE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY. AND THAT I COUNTED WAS 70 HOMES RIGHT ON THOSE ACRES RIGHT THERE. AND THEN HERE IS THE BIG PICTURE. OKAY? THE 155 UNITS GOING IN RIGHT THERE THAT WANTS TO GET APPROVED OR THEY ARE TRYING TO GET APPROVED, THE PROXIMALLY 70 UNITS ON THOSE 40 ACRES WHICH WILL RUN OVER INTO THE 26 -- WHICH IT SAYS 26 BUT IT 37 ACRES, YOU COULD BE UP INTO THE HUNDREDS. THEN RIGHT SHOWED 99 DWELLINGS, THERE MAY BE A PUMP STATION, UTILITIES, BORDER, SEPTIC, ON 75 ACRES. SOMEONE THEY DO THAT, THAT WOULD GET ALL PUSHED OFF. OKAY? BUT THE MAIN THING IS HERE WE GO. HERE IS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES ON 140 ACRES.

JUST ABOVE THAT. ALL RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT IT IS. SQUEEZING MUCH MORE INTO THESE LITTLE PLOTS AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE, AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS DOING. OKAY. WE WILL GO BACK AND CHANGE IT. WE WILL GIVE YOU $1 MILLION RIGHT NOW FOR A ROUNDABOUT IN BELLA TERRA IF THAT GETS US APPROVED. OKAY?

THANK YOU. >> I AGREE. ED SLAVENBOX. 304.

EDSLAVENBOX.COM. WHY DON'T WE REQUIRE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS OF EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER THAT COMES BACK IN HERE? WHY DOESN'T GROWTH MANAGEMENT GIVE YOU A REPORT STATING THE FINES, THE PENALTIES, THE ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT KB HOMES HAVE DONE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALL OVER THE WORLD? ISN'T THAT BASICALLY OUR DUE DILIGENCE? AND WHY DON'T WE EVER DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE? OR EVEN DUE DILIGENCE WHEN YOU HIRE AN ATTORNEY. HE DID NOT HAVE TO FILE A APPLICATION. HUNTER SINCLAIR CONRAD DID NOT APPLY FOR THE JOB AND HE WAS A CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A BRIBERY CASE. REVEREND MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. SAID OUR LIVES BEGIN AND END WHEN WE STOP CARING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER, AND WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND YOU DO NOT ANSWER THEM, I THINK YOU GET MONEY FROM CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM DEVELOPERS

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YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GET A LICENSE. THAT IS SIMPLE.

SERIOUSLY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO CUT HAIR OR CUT NAILS OR BE A LAWYER OR BE A DOCTOR BUT TO BE A DEVELOPER, ANYONE CAN CALL HIMSELF A DEVELOPER THEY HAVE THE BENEFIT OF CERTAIN INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES WHO COME HERE AND LOBBY FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. THEN THEY GIVE YOU CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. IT IS EMERALD. IT IS A SIN. IT IS A TORT. I AGREE. WHY ARE WE GIVEN A REPORT FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT OR SOMEBODY QUALIFIED. LET'S FORGET ABOUT GROWTH MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE JUST HIRED ONE. WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE LAW FIRM. TO ACTUALLY DO A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION? WHY DO WE HIRE A COUPLE OF EX-FBI AGENTS TO DO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS? NOT ONLY ON KB HOMES OR THINGS LIKE THAT BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HIRE LIKE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. WITHOUT A BACKGROUND ADMINISTRATION.

WITHOUT AN APPLICATION. DOES ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT? YOU ARE ROLLING YOUR EYES AND LOOKING FUNNY. I DON'T THINK IT IS FUNNY. I THINK IT IS CORRUPT. I THINK ST. JOHNS IS THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTY IN FLORIDA AS DIANE MILLS SAID.

PROVE ME WRONG. >> SUZANNE CLUEROW. 809 WOODWORD WAY. I LIVE -- MY BACK PORCHES 1000 FEET FROM THE ENTRANCE TO BELLA TERRA. AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FOR WELL OVER A YEAR. AND, HONESTLY, I THINK WE FINALLY LANDED ON THE ONE THAT WE HAD BETTER TAKE BECAUSE THE APARTMENTS WERE JUST NO WAY.

THE SECOND ONE THAT CAME LOOKED LIKE ARMY BARRACKS TO ME. THIS ONE, AS IT HAS BEEN SAID, IT IS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. IT IS DEFINITELY COMPATIBLE WITH THE TYPE OF HOMES THAT ARE AROUND IT. THE LOT WIDTH IS THE LEAST LOT WOULD I HAVE EVER SEEN OF ANY LOT IN THAT AREA. I WILL SAY THAT. I HOPE IT IS NOT GOING TO BECOME A TREND, BUT I AM AFRAID IF WE WAIT TOO MUCH LONGER BETWEEN WHAT THE STATE IS DOING AND MAKING US DO THIS AND MAKING US DO THAT AND WE CANNOT SAY NO TO ANYTHING, I THINK WE HAD BETTER GRAB WHAT WE CAN WHILE WE HAVE IT. THE TRAFFIC IS HORRID DOWN IN THAT AREA, NINERS THEY FINALLY DID SAY THAT U.S. 1 IN THAT AREA IS DEFICIENT FINALLY. IT HAS BEEN DEFICIENT FOR A LONG TIME. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS. WHEN I TURN OUT OF MY DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T GO STRAIGHT THROUGH AND TRY TO TURN LEFT. IT IS SUICIDE. I GO A HALF A MILE, GET ON THE LITTLE SERVICE DRIVE A WILDWOOD DRIVE, WAIT FOR SOMETIMES TWO OR EVEN THREE CHANGES OF THE LIGHT, AND THEN I GO ANOTHER HALF-MILE BACK SO THAT I CAN GO SOUTH. IT TAKES ME 10 MORE MINUTES TO GET WHERE I AM GOING, BUT AT LEAST I AM NOT GETTING SMACKED. IT IS GOING TO BE A JOB FOR PEOPLE GOING OUT OF THIS. IT IS A QUICK COMES OUT. YOU HAD BETTER GET OVER TWO LANES AND GET GOING. THIS IS WHAT IT.IS FORCING US TO DO. I AM DONE CALLING IF.. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO A THING FOR US. THEY THINK THAT U-TURNS ARE WONDERFUL. THEY ARE NOT REPAVING OUR ROAD AND WE ARE NOT GETTING ANY MORE CUT THROUGH HIS. EVERYTHING IS U-TURNS, SO IT IS WHAT IT IS AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO REPAVE THAT ROAD ANYMORE THAN WHAT IS THERE. TWO LANES GOING NORTH AND TWO LANES GOING SOUTH, AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS

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>> WAYNE PRALINES. 151 BELLA TERRA DRIVE. IF YOU DON'T LET THIS GO THROUGH, WHAT WOULD YOU LET GO THROUGH? WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO OLD PEOPLE LIVING ON A PLACE THAT IS 15 ACRES AND THEY CAN'T DO NOTHING AND TAKE CARE OF IT OR NOTHING. BUT IT IS NOT ABOUT ME. IT IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY. BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK YOU ALL ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE CROOKED IN THIS STATE. IF I DID, I WILL MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND NOT PUT UP WITH IT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FOR A SECOND. BUT, ANYHOW, IT JUST MAKES COMMON SENSE. IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LET ME DO SOMETHING WITH THIS OR KB HOMES, AND KB HOMES, THEY ARE TRASHING THEM LIKE THEY ARE A BUNCH OF THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES PUTTING TOGETHER HOMES. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY DO JUST AS GOOD AS ANYBODY ELSE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE EXPENSIVE JOBS THAT DO A LITTLE BETTER AND COST MORE OR WHATEVER, BUT THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT BILLS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND I THINK THEY DO A FINE JOB . I HAVE BEEN IN THEIR HOMES. WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF LOOKING AROUND LATELY.

IT IS TO NO AVAIL BECAUSE WE HAD NOT SIGNED THE DOTTED LINES SO TO SPEAK. BUT IT IS NOT ABOUT ME. ALL RIGHT. I JUST THINK IT SHOULD WORK. YOU KNOW, THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR. IT SEEMED LIKE YOU ALL ARE COMING UP HERE AND GET BRAIDED ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING AND NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT AND I HEAR THE SAME STORIES OVER AND OVER EVERY TIME I COME HERE. IT SOUNDS RIDICULOUS TO ME. BUT, ANYHOW, GOOD LUCK. I AM ALL FOR IT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S CONCERN.

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE? SEEING NONE, WE WILL

CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MR. BURNETT?

>> THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN HEAR SOME OF MR. FELIX'S CONCERN AND FRUSTRATION. HE HAS EARNED HIS HOME FOR A LONG TIME. AND FOR A LONG TIME IT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING THING THAT YOU HAVE HAD COME BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE WE LOOK AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SUPPORT ARE THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO THE PROJECT, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE PROJECT AND CONDITIONS IN THE AREA BECAUSE THEY LIVE IT DAY IN AND DAY OUT, AND THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF A PROJECT. AND THERE IS A REASON FOR IT. AND MR. FELIX HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME USE OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS IN MIXED-USE UNDER THE FUTURE LANE USE. SO WE KNOW MULTIFAMILY IS NOT CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE.

WE BELIEVE SINGLE-FAMILY IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE. AT THIS DOES NOT PREVAIL TODAY, THE ONLY NEXT OPTION COMING DOWN THE ROAD IS COMMERCIAL. AND THE COUNTY, I THINK, WOULD FIND ITSELF IN A VERY CHALLENGING POSITION TO THIS IF IT WERE NOT APPROVED BECAUSE THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME USE THAT IS ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY. AND THAT IS THE REAL FEAR OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE PROPERTY. THE FEARS YOU GET A COMMERCIAL CENTER WITH A PARKING FIELD WITH LIKE IN THE PARKING LOT AND THE NOISE AND EVERYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THE PARKING LOT. THEY WANT SOMETHING CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR HOMES SO THE THINGS GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THE THINGS GOING ON AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT IS WHY I THINK YOU SEE SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT TODAY. THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT SEE THE 50 PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE ON A PRIOR VERSION OF THIS PROJECT OVER A YEAR AGO. THEY ARE NOT HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL INFORMED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. NOTHING WE HAVE DONE HAS CHANGED. WE STARTED ON THIS FOOT. WE CONTINUED ON THIS FOOT OF HAVING OUR CONDITIONS ON THIS PROJECT. WE ARE COMMITTED TO THIS POSITION WE HAVE NOT BEEN OVERRUN AND INUNDATED. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE , BUT OTHERWISE I WILL LEAVE MY REBUTTAL AT THAT. THE POINT HAS BEEN MADE. THE PICTURE IS VERY CLEAR. THERE'S REAL, GENUINE SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

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>> IF YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING, WHAT COULD YOU BUILD ON THE OPEN ROLE? THE COMMERCIAL IS THIS BIG. I JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE MAIN PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> A 120 FOOT GRAIN SILO. A PIG FARM.

>> HOW MANY HOMES, RESIDENTIAL? YOU SAID YOU WILL GO BACK AND

CALCULATE IT. >> I CANNOT SPECIFICALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION AND THE REASON -- I TRIED. I PULLED UP THE PROPERTY APPRAISER DATABASE. I CANNOT QUANTIFY THE SIZE OF THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE PARCEL THAT IS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. IF I LOOK LOOSELY AND I SAY ARBITRARILY OUR PROJECT IS 37 ACRES SO I COULD ARBITRARILY TAKE A 35 ACRE, COULD YOU GET 70 LOTS ON IT?

>> I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I COULD GET A SUGGESTION. I JUST WANTED A SUGGESTION. LIKE IF I HAD A FARM AND I HAD 15 ACRES, WHAT CAN I DO ON IT? SAME FOR RESIDENTIAL.

>> GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS YOU CAN DO TWO UNITS IN ACRE IF YOU HAVE CENTRAL WATER SO YOU CAN STILL HAVE SEPTIC. CENTRAL

WATER GIVES YOU TWO UNITS. >> I HAVE GOT A MIKE WRIGHT

THERE. LET'S SEE. >> WRIGHT BROTHERS AND. GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.

AND THE QUESTION IS THE OPEN ROLE PORTION OF THIS PROPOSED LAND, WHATEVER THE ACREAGE IS WE ARE GOING TO ROLL OUT WHAT ALLOWS WENYEN A PER ACRE. ASIDE FROM THE LAND-USE PROGRESS OF THE EXISTING ZONING IS RESTRICTIVE. SO WHATEVER THE ACREAGE WITHIN THE OPEN WORLD, FOR EXAMPLE IF IT IS 30 ACRES OR 20 ACRES OR 30 ACRES, THEN YOU COULD DO 30 UNITS JUST FOR

EXAMPLE. >> THANK YOU. I JUST FEEL LIKE, I WILL GIVE MY COMMENTS IF THAT IS ALL RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE NO ONE IS IN FAVOR OF THIS EXCEPT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING THE MONEY FOR SELLING THEIR PROPERTY. EVERYONE IS SETTLING. EVERYONE ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE. IF YOU GO TO PAGE 25 AND LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPHIC PLATES, IT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY I HAVE EVER SEEN. I DO NOT KNOW WHY A BUILDER WOULD NOT TRY TO LEAVE A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE. I THINK JOE MCINERNEY, A YEAR AND HALF AGO IT WAS THE FIRST THING I SAW WHEN I BECAME A COMMISSIONER. SHOWED A BEAUTIFUL PLAN YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU KNOW? THERE SHOULD BE NATURAL BUFFERS IN HERE. IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE AT ALL. THAT U.S. 1 IS DEFICIENT. THAT U-TURNS. IT IS JUST SAD. IT IS JUST SAD. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD SETTLE. I THINK YOU SHOULD GET THE BOARD TO AGREE TO LIKE LOOK AT THINGS. LOOK AT OTHER THINGS. THE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AFFECTING THE TRAFFIC, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, IT IS GOING TO BE CLEAR-CUT, FOLKS. IT IS GOING TO BE GONE AND YOU WILL HAVE ABOUT THREE THINGS A WATER. IT IS JUST SAD. THAT IS MY COMMENT AND I AM VOTING NO.

ALAIMO? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST HAD A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE PROPORTIONATE PER-SHARE PAYMENT. YOU KNOW? THE IMPACTING SURROUNDING AREA.

WHEN IS THAT PAID? >> THAT WILL COME BACK FOR THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE. WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY FILE ON AN APPLICATION AND HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND SEE

THE FINAL VERSION OF IT. >> DOES IT AGREE TO BEFORE THE

FINAL PROJECT STARTS? >> YES, SIR. THE PROPERTY SHARE AGREEMENT GETS APPROVED BEFORE YOU CAN PUT A SHOVEL ON THE GROUND. YOU HAVE A HOLD ON YOUR CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL. IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THAT IN PLACE AND APPROVED BEFORE YOU COMPLETED YOUR CONSTRUCTION AND APPROVAL PROCESS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I WILL GO AHEAD AND OFFER A MOTION. ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAME ROBINSON, AS WELL AS THE A COUNTY ATTORNEYS. BUT THE SLIDES THAT WE SAW THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING, THE ENGINEER STATED THAT THIS WAS POTENTIALLY GOING TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT. OBVIOUSLY YOUR STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW?

>> WHAT WE DO KNOW AND WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IS WHEN THE CIRCLE CERTAINLY AN AREA THAT THE COUNTY HAS A BIG FOCUS ON TO ENSURE THAT NO MORE FLOODING OCCURS THERE AND IT ONLY STAYS AS IT IS ARE BETTER, WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT THAT WAS THE -- THAT WAS THE ENGINEERS'S CLAIM OF COURSE. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ENGINEER PLANS FOR OUR STAFF TO LOOK AT IT AND CONFIRMED THAT.

IF THEY DO COME IN, WE WILL CERTAINLY BE LOOKING AT THEM WITH A LOBSTER EYE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE NO WORSE THAN THEY ARE OR HOPEFULLY BETTER. BUT WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT THAT

IS GOING TO BE THE CASE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, MR.

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STAFF? >> WE WOULD NOT APPROVE THEIR

CONSTRUCTION PLANS. >> SIR, PLEASE.

>> SIR, THAT IS IF THEY DON'T MEET THE CODE OR OFTENTIMES IF WE FEEL IT IS NOT DOING WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ENGINEERING-WISE -- I DON'T MEAN THAT AS A THREAT. THAT IS

JUST WHAT WE DO. >> I AM ASKING. SO YOU WOULD NOT APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS UNTIL IT MET WHAT NEEDED TO BE MET. IT COULD NOT GO FORWARD OBVIOUSLY. THANK YOU, SIR. DO WE -- WE HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN BEFORE WHERE THEY ARE SLOWING THE SLIDES. THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL ITEM. I WANT TO FEEL GOOD THAT WHAT WE ARE SEEING UPON THESE SLIDES IS GOING TO HAPPEN. LEGALLY, CAN WE HOLD THEM TO THE SLIDES THAT ARE

PART OF THE PRESENTATION? >> CHRISTINE BOYER. THIS IS A REZONING. THEY HAVE A MASTER REDEVELOPMENT PLAN TEXT AND THEY HAVE A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP THAT WILL REPRESENT

THE DETAILS. >> AND WHAT THEY REPRESENTED HERE IN THE SLIDES IS IN THE TEXT AND YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT

IS SUFFICIENT? >> YES. YES. SO WHEN THEY COME INTO PERMIT OUR APPLICATION AND THE DESIGN WILL BE REVIEWED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MATTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TEXT AND MAP.

>> OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING MY QUESTION. THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE AND WE HAVE A STEP BACK AND GO IN AND STOP THE CONSTRUCTION IF THEY DON'T BUILD IT THE WAY THEY SAID THEY WOULD. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD ANSWER. ONE FINAL THOUGHT. I THINK MS. SPIEGEL SAID SOMETHING ABOUT RESONATING WITH ME. AT THE TIME WHEN T MOVED THERE, I THOUGHT -- I REALLY DID. BUT WHAT YOU SAID WAS SO PRACTICAL. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING. BUT THERE ARE LAWS IN THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE LAND AND EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T LIKE IT, EVEN IT, AS A COMMISSIONER WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. I WENT TO BE TRANSPARENT OF WHY I VOTE YES OR NO ON AN ITEM AND ACTUALLY DO IT HERE TOO. I HAD QUITE A BIG DISCUSSION LAST YEAR IN MARCH. I SUGGESTED WE GO BACK AND READ THE RECORD AND LISTEN TO A DISCUSSION. I THOUGHT THAT THAT PROPOSAL WAS VERY, VERY INCOMPATIBLE. IT WAS TOO DENSE. IT WAS 240 UNITS. I BELIEVE I SAID ON THE RECORD THAT I THOUGHT SUMMER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 150 WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING HERE WITH A TRANSITION. THIS IS NOT YOUR AVERAGE JOE.

THIS IS A TRANSITION ALONG U.S. 1. NEVERTHELESS, THE LANDOWNER COULD DO -- ITSELF ARE SOME HEAVY COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THERE IS A TRANSITION OVER TO THE HOSPITAL END, WHICH IS IF I RECALL 2 1/2 OR THREE UNITS. AM I CLOSE? OKAY. SO HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT FOUR UNITS. A YEAR AGO, I WAS LOOKING AT

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>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 4-1. THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. X PARTAKE. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> NOTE MEETINGS. >> COMMISSIONER ?

>> NO MEETINGS. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NO MEETINGS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. AUTUMN MARTINAGE, SENIOR PLANNING GROUP SAINT AUGUSTINE. THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY OFF OF STATE ROUTE 16 THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 4.7 ACRES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STATE ROAD 60 BETWEEN I-95 AND FOUR MILE RUN WITH A CURRENT LAND-USE DESTINATION OF MIXED-USE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE EXISTING LANE LAND ZONING MAP A SIDE-BY-SIDE. AS YOU SEE, THE SITE IS KIND OF SET BACK AWAY FROM THE ROAD. ACCESS TO THE SITE IS TO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED TO IW THERE UNDER THE OWNERSHIP. ALL THE PROPERTY WE KIND OF HAVE OUTLINED HERE IS UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS THAT COMPANY. HE IS SEEKING TO REZONE THE PARTIAL HERE SO THAT HIS ENTIRE SITE HAS CONSISTENT ZONING FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE GROWTH PATTERNS FOR HIS BUSINESS.

EXCUSE ME. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND WAREHOUSE TYPE USES AROUND IT. WE HAVE SOME REPAIR FACILITIES TO THE NORTH. MANY OVER TO THE WEST AS WELL AS REPAIR AND A DOLLAR GENERAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STATE ROUTE 16 TO THE NORTH OF BUT ALSO ADJACENT TO THE FIDUS PROPERTIES. THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL. IT IS BUFFERED BY ALL THE TREES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO NO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL WILL SEE ANY OF THE FUTURE PLANS THAT MAY BE HAPPENING ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE DENSE NATURAL GROWTH IN THIS AREA. IT IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT HERE IS AN AERIAL OVERLAY WITH THE CURRENT WORKING CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. THE AREA IN QUESTION IS A RECTANGLE KIND OF TO THE SOUTH. HALF OF IT IS KIND OF LAKE. THE OTHER HALF IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO POSSIBLY BE SOME RV OR VOTE STORAGE IN THE FUTURE BUT NO CONCRETE PLANS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED BY THE CLIENT. IT IS JUST KIND OF A CONCEPTUAL DREAM DOCUMENT FOR HIM. THERE ARE SOME WETLANDS ALONG THE SOUTH. NONE OF THAT WILL BE IMPACTED. PROPER BUFFERS WILL BE CREATED WHENEVER HE DOES DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPERTY. WE ARE ASKING TO REZONE. HERE IS JUST KIND OF A VISUAL OF WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE. AS YOU

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>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> YES. WILL YOU KEEP THE NATURAL BUFFER? THE CLIENT DOES NOT WANT TO SPEAK UP. THE WETLAND BUFFER, THE WETLANDS WILL NOT BE IMPACTED. THE HIGH BUFFERS AT THE SOUTH WILL BE CREATED AT THAT TIME AND BUFFERS WILL BE CREATED FOR THE ST. JOHN COUNTY ORDINANCES ADJACENT TO THE OPENED POTENTIAL OPEN ROLE.

>> >> SO, YES. YOU WILL KEEP THE

NATURAL BUFFER. >> HE WILL BE REDEVELOPING

PART OF IT. >> I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WE WILL BE KEEPING WHATEVER IS NATURALLY THERE AND MEETING THE COUNTER REQUIREMENTS AT THAT TIME.

>> SO YOU ARE NOT CLEARCUTTING THE BUFFER. YOU ARE KEEPING THE

BUFFER? >> YES.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

>> ELIZABETH HUNTER. MY ADDRESS IS OUTSIDE. ON THE BACK OF THIS PROJECT, IT SAYS LIVE LOCAL ACT. THE REQUEST IS FOR REZONING. SO WAS THE LIVE LOCAL ACT PART OF THIS PROJECT OR WASN'T IT? WHY WAS IT ON PAGE 9?

>> SO THIS IS PAGE 9 OF THE STAFF BACKGROUND REPORT.

>> WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON USING THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TO DEVELOP THE SITE AT ALL. SHE IS REFERENCING THE STAFF REPORT SO I DEFER TO STAFF TO ANSWER WHY THAT IS IN THERE WITH THE STAFF

REPORT. >> YES. THAT LANGUAGES IN THE STAFF REPORT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT REZONING TO A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION. THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED TO WAIVE ANY RIGHT UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND THAT IS A CONDITION INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE SHOULD THE BOARD APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST.

>> SO THEY WAIVE THEIR RIGHT TO IN THE FUTURE DO THE 40% OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT? I AM JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT DEVELOPERS IN THESE PROJECTS ARE DOING WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW THAT HAS BEEN PASSED.

>> YES. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE,

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING

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ELSE TO ADD? >> NO.

>> OKAY. THEN WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. I'M HAPPY TO OFFER A MOTION TO 2024-15, THE ZONE FOR 26 WAREHOUSE AND RV/ SUN TRAIL NETWORK PROGRAM STORAGE. WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS. >> ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. QUASIJUDICIAL.

>> I DID NOT HAVE A MEETING WITH MR. WHITE AND THE WHITE HOUSE BUT I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK.

>> I FORGOT ONE THING TOO. I TALKED WITH THE PASTOR AT THE

CHURCH NEXSTAR. >> I MYSELF HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES WHITEHOUSE. ALSO WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED. HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH WITH THE OWNER.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

TRUST BILLY THE THIRD WHO IS THE APPLICANT STAFF IN OUR OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT. WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE OPPOSITION. WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE SUPPORT FROM THE CHURCH. I ALSO RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MR. HUNT. I WISH I WOULD'VE THOUGHT TO EMAIL THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> YES. LAST WEDNESDAY, I MET

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>> THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES WHITEHOUSE. SEAGROVE MAINSTREET HERE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. I AM RECOGNIZED AS A BOARD CERTIFIED EXPERT ON ALL CITY, COUNTY, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF ABC FINE WINE AND SPIRITS, A FLORIDA OWNED AND OPERATED BUSINESS SINCE 1936. THEY ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST FAMILY-OWNED ALCOHOL BEVERAGE COMPANIES IN THE COUNTRY WITH MORE THAN 125 STORES IN APPROXIMATELY 1500 TEAM MEMBERS. AS YOU KNOW FROM YOUR STAFF REPORT AND THE AGENDA, WE ARE HERE AND THIS IS RELATED TO MINOR MODIFICATION 20 2015/3 THIS IS A SPLIT VOTE TO ALLOW THE PACKAGE. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REVIEW THE UNSUPPORTED TCHNICAL DENIAL OF THE MODIFICATION REQUEST TO ALLOW THE ABC FINE WINE AND SPIRITS ARE TO BE LOCATED ON THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR JUST SOUTH OF THE MAJOR INTERSECTION. IT WAS WITHIN 1000 FEET OF AN EXISTING CHARGE WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE LOCATIO, AS I MENTIONED, IS JUST HERE TO THE SOUTH ON THE MAJOR INTERSECTION. IT IS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM THE MARABELLA COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. IT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD UNDER THE SAME CRITERIA TO APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION. IT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE. IT IS WHERE THE COMMUNITY CHURCHES.

IT IS RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY LOCATION IS. YOU HAVE A CVS RIGHT HERE. WE ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION. SIX MILE CREEK, KING OF THE BEAR. AS I SAID, THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL -- IT IS LONG THIS MAJOR COMMERCIAL AREA RIGHT ACROSS WHERE I WAS APPROVED TO BE WITHIN 1000 FEET OF THE CHURCH. AS WELL, YOU HAVE WALGREENS AND CVS, ALL THREE OF WHICH CAN SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION. THE DISTANCES TO THE ADJACENT CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS, THIS IS ALL WITHIN YOUR PACKET AND HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND SHOWS THAT ANY SCHOOLS ARE ALL OVER 1000 FEET SO THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS MINOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION. IT IS JUST THE COMMUNITY CHURCH WHICH IS ADJACENT. YOU CAN SEE FROM YOUR PACKET AS WELL THE PROPOSED SITE OF THE ABC LIQUORS HERE OFF OF PACETTI ROAD , BUT THE ACCESSES OFF THE SIDE ROAD AND THAT WILL GO OFF INTO THE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT. THIS IS AN OFFICE COMPLEX THAT IS ALREADY APPROVED AS PART OF THIS. THERE IS A FUTURE PARCEL THAT I THINK AT THE TIME IS PROPOSED TO BE A BANK IN BETWEEN US AND WHERE THE COMMUNITY CHURCH PROPERTY IS LOCATED. AS NOTED IN THE APPLICATION, THE PROPOSED PROJECT INVOLVES THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW BUILDING FOR THE RETAIL SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF-SITE CONSUMPTION. WILL BE A ONE-STORY BUILDING, 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS AREA. IN FACT, RETAIL SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FROM OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION ARE PERMITTED, HOWEVER, AS PROPOSED TO THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE, THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE BECAUSE IT IS IT THAT IS 1000 FEET WITHIN THE COMMUNITY CHURCH. EXPERT ANALYSIS MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THIS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A BROAD RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USAGES INCLUDING THE PUBLIC LIQUOR SCORE ACROSS THE STREET WHICH RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD TO BE RELOCATED WITHIN 1000 FEET OF THE CHURCH LIKE BOTH THE WALGREENS AND CVS WHICH CAN SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION. ALSO, WITHIN THE PACKET YOU HAVE IS THE EMAIL FROM THE PASTOR OF THE ADJACENT CHURCH STATED NO OBJECTION TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, AND HE SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT ACTUALLY THAT THE LIQUOR STORE THAT HAVE BEEN ACROSS THE STREET THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE OBJECTION TO AS WELL WITH THE WALGREENS AND CVS. ACCORDINGLY, YOU HAVE YOUR EXPERT STAFF REPORT WHICH GOES TO THE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE FOR THIS TYPE OF REGULATION AND EVALUATION. THEY GO THROUGH THE STEPS AS TO HOW THE SPECIAL USE CAN BE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD. THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH

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MOREOVER, BOTH THE APPLICATION AND EXPERT STAFF ANALYSIS, AS I SAID, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA INCLUDING THAT LIQUOR STORE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE SAME TYPE OF HOUSTON WITHIN THAT DISTANCE. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NO OBJECTION FROM THE ADJACENT CHURCH REALLY. I THINK THAT GIVES A LOT OF WEIGHT TO THE FACT THIS IS NOT AN INAPPROPRIATE USE IN THE AREA BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED . BASED ON THE APPLICATION TODAY AND YOUR EXPERT STAFF, I ASKED FOR REASONABLE CONSIDERATION AND THE APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHOUSE. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> MR. WHITEHOUSE, THE ABC CELLS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, TOO.

CAN ANY OF THE STUDENTS PURCHASE A COCA-COLA FROM THIS

ABC STORE? >> NO. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT BEFORE. I THINK ALL OF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE CEO OF ABC BUT HE SPECIFICALLY SAID AND I WAS THERE AS WELL, THAT IF YOU'RE UNDER 21 YEARS OLD YOU CANNOT EVEN COME IN THE STORE ON THE SHORE WITH A PARENT AND IF YOU'RE WITH A PARENT YOU CANNOT BUY EVEN A STICK OF GUM WITHIN THEIR

STORES. >> SO MY DAUGHTER CANNOT COME IN IF I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE COMING.

>> THAT IS RIGHT. THAT IS THEIR POLICY.

>> MR. JOSEPH? >> YES. I DID TO TALK TO THE PASTOR AND SAID HE WAS FINE WITH IT. HE SAID HE WOULD RATHER SEE A CLOSED ALCOHOLIC PURCHASE THAN THE OTHER. THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS IMPRESSED WITH WITH THE CEO, ASKED IF HE COULD NOT HAVE VAPING PRODUCTS OR CVD IN THE STORE TO ATTRACT HIGH SCHOOLERS AND HE SAID HE WOULD AGREE TO THAT. IS THAT STILL ON THE TABLE?

>> THE ANSWER WOULD BE IF THE MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD DECIDED THEY WANT TO DO NOT HAVE THAT IN THIS STORE, OF COURSE YOU CAN GET IT AT THE OTHER COMMERCIAL PLACES, BUT IF THAT IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WANTS FOR THIS MINOR MODIFICATION THEN THEY ARE FREE TO DO THAT.

>> THAT THE BOARD WAS WILLING TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PROPOSAL

-- >> I THINK HE ALSO SAID THAT IT IS LESS THAN HALF A PERCENT OR WHATEVER THEY SELL WITHIN THEIR STORE. THEIR STORES NOT TO SELL THOSE PRODUCTS.

>> I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY CONVINCING OF HOW THEY WANTED TO BE GOOD COMMUNITY LEADERS. THEY ALSO SAID THEY WOULD HELP WITH CERTAIN NONPROFIT CHURCH THINGS, TOO.

BUT IF HE IS NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO THAT, I WOULD VOTE FOR IT IF YOU WILL COMMIT TO THAT.

>> OKAY. >> IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD PUTS IT IN THE MOTION HE WOULD BE WILLING TO AGREE TO THAT.

THANK YOU. >> NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> I WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

>> OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLIE HUNT. MILL CREEK ESTATES. YES. I TELL YOU WHAT. YOU ALL RECEIVED MY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THIS IS ALL GOING ON AND YOU HAVE BEFORE ABOUT HOW BRASH AND ARROGANT THEY WERE TO PUT UP THE ABC LIQUOR STORE SIGN BEFORE IT EVEN GOT APPROVED. OKAY? THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THEY SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES BUT IT IS HARD LIQUOR. OKAY? YOU CAN'T HAVE HARD LIQUOR LIKE THAT AND SAY IT IS JUST ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. NO. THAT IS A LIQUOR STORE. AND I SPOKE WITH THE PASTOR MANY TIMES ABOUT IT. HE BASICALLY TOLD ME THE SAME THING ABOUT HE IS IN THE NEUTRAL AREA WITH IT.

OKAY? AND, ALSO, HE HAS BEEN CONTACTED AND TO WIN OUT THE VOTE FOR HIM FOR HIS MAYBE TO GET SOME TYPE OF HELP FROM

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HERE WE GO. THIS WAS FROM A QUOTE AND ALL THE EMAILS YOU RECEIVED ON DECEMBER 21ST. ABC IS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS COMMITTED TO ENHANCING THE DIVERSITY OF USES IN THE AREA AND TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY? HOW MUCH MORE LIQUOR WILL BRING IT INTO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT BETTER? OKAY? AND THEN MY QUESTION IS REDUCING FROM 1000 FOOT TO 40 A MINOR

MODIFICATION? THANK YOU. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A PART TO THE ATTORNEY TO RESPOND. IS THAT A MINOR MODIFICATION? YES OR NO. WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR HIM TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY YOU ARE ALL STILL HAVING EX PARTE MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS AND WHY YOU DON'T VIDEOTAPE THEM? WHAT YOU ALLOW A JOURNALIST OR CITIZEN TO SIT IN THOSE MEETINGS AND TAKE NOTES? WOULD YOU ARRANGE FOR THE COUNTY STAFF TO VIDEOTAPE THOSE EX PARTE MEETINGS? BECAUSE HERE'S MY COMP HIM. IN CONGRESS OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE, HERE IS MY PROBLEM. WE HAVE A HEARING AND LEGISLATIVE HISTORY. WE CAN LOOK BACK TO 1849 AND SEE WHY CONGRESS PASSED WHATEVER LAW THEY PASTOR DID NOT PASS. A LEGISLATIVE HISTORY. OUR LEGISLATIVE HISTORY HERE CONSISTS OF YOU TROOPING INTO YOUR OFFICES AND MEETING EX PARTE WITH DEVELOPERS AND THEIR LAWYERS. WHY ISN'T THE PUBLIC ALLOWED IN THOSE MEETINGS AND WHY AREN'T THOSE MEETINGS VIDEOTAPE? THE COST WOULD BE MINIMUS. SO COULD THE ANSWER BE YOU DON'T WANT US TO KNOW? COULD THE ANSWER BE -- WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY LEARN IN AN EXPERT TAPE MEETING? THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN OPEN, HONORABLE, ADMISSION PROCEDURE.

RIGHT? SO WHY AREN'T THE PUBLIC -- WHY ISN'T THE PUBLIC REPRESENTED IN THOSE MEETINGS? WHY DO YOU DO THAT? WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY LEARN IN THAT MEETING THAT YOU DON'T LEARN IN THESE HEARINGS? WHY ISN'T THERE A TRANSCRIPT OF HEARINGS? WHAT KIND OF THINGS DO THEY SAY TO YOU? DO THEY SAY ARE PACKED GIVES THE MAXIMUM. I BET YOU THEY DO. YOU KNOW IT. YOU ARE IN THEIR MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS. MEETING WITH PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF MONEY WHO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO GIVE IN CAMPAIGNS. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE? THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY. AND WE HAVE ONE-PARTY RULE IN ST. JOHNS.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DEMOCRAT ELECTED SINCE 2000. THE MACHINE SOUGHT TO THAT. IN 1998, LET'S SAY THAT WE DEVELOPED THE RULES FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION. WE WENT FROM SEVEN COMMISSIONERS TO FIVE. THERE IS NO REASON FOR THAT OTHER THAN TO ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THE INVESTMENTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE TO YOUR CAMPAIGNS. SO, FOR THE RECORD, I OBJECT TO YOUR MEETING EX PARTE WITH DEVELOPERS. I OBJECT TO YOUR MEETING EX PARTE WITH ABC. AND I THINK IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO OUR RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY. OUR DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN SLOWLY

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WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? THANK YOU.

>> CHUCK LEBONOWSKI. 282 NORTH APPARELL. IF YOU WOULD ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THAT IS GOOD. IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE MEASUREMENTS, WE ARE TALKING WIND VERSUS HARD LIQUOR. RIGHT NOW THE HARD LIQUOR SCORE THAT THE PUBLIC RUNS IS ROUGHLY AN ESTIMATED 1034 FEET AWAY FROM THE CHURCH. THAT IS HARD LIQUOR. WALGREENS ON THE CORNER THERE IS 252 FEET AWAY. THAT IS ON THE BEER AND WINE. THAT IS IT. ALSO, THE PUBLIC'S ACROSS THE STREET. THE BEER AND WINE AND THE GROCERY STORE ITSELF IS 766 FEET. WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS PUTTING IN A LIQUOR STORE 413 FEET AWAY FROM THE CHURCH. I KNOW THE PASTOR, HE HAD MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT IT, BUT HE WAS BASICALLY GOING ALONG WITH THE PROGRAM. I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARISHIONERS THAT LIVE IN MARBELLA THAT ARE TOTALLY AGAINST HAVING THAT THERE. IS THAT CLOSE TO THE CHURCH. NOW, NO ONE HAS BROUGHT UP THE DAY CARE CENTER, WHICH IS THE NEXT BUILDING DOWN. ACTUALLY, THERE IS A DENNY'S BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. THAT IS A LOT CLOSER THAN THE CHURCH. THE CONCERN IS THE LOCALITY OF THIS. THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY RUB THE SALT IN THE WOUND IS WHEN ABC ACTUALLY PUT UP THE SIGN ON THE MARQUEE WITH THIS BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN. THEY HAVE HAD IT UP THERE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. IT IS DOWN NOW. SOMEBODY MUST HAVE SAID SOMETHING TO THEM BUT THIS I WAS DEFINITELY UP THERE ON THE MARQUEE. I RECOMMEND THAT

WE DENY THIS APPROVAL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JUDY SPEED ON. 101 GREENWALD LANE. THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THIS IS I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE PASTOR DOES NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION BUT THE PASTOR IS NOT THE CHURCH. THE PASTOR WILL CHANGE. THE LIQUOR STORE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. I JUST THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED AND BROUGHT UP. THERE IS A LIQUOR STORE ACROSS THE STREET. PEOPLE CAN GO THERE INSTEAD OF A BAR. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK

YOU. >> MR. WHITEHOUSE. IT IS YOURS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS BY YOUR EXPERT STAFF EVALUATED THIS AND FOUND THIS IS APPROPRIATE UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE REQUEST IS A MINOR USE PERMIT. YOU CAN LOOK TO SEE WHETHER IT WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. YOUR EXPERTS ANALYZED IT AND FOUND THAT IT WAS. HOW THE EXPERTS FOUND THAT IT IS. I CAN ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU,

MADAM CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> I'M SORRY. I'M LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF GOOD PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT MR. SLAVEN AS WE ARE ENTERTAINING A QUASIJUDICIAL ITEM AND HE TOOK TIME. HE WANTED TO MAKE A REQUEST ARE MORE DEMOCRATS SERVING. THERE ARE TOO MANY REPUBLICANS. MR. SLATE, I WOULD LOVE YOU TO EXPAND ON THAT NEXT TIME YOU COME UP ABOUT HOW HAVING MORE DEMOCRATS ON THIS BOARD WOULD BENEFIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THAT

IS ALL I HAVE, MADAM CHAIR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS. I HAD A VERY LARGE MEETING. I HAVE HAD MANY, MANY THINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA AND I AM A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BECAUSE THIS WAS OVERWHELMINGLY IN SUPPORT OF IT. AND, AGAIN, BEING HERE AND HAVING THE CHURCH SIGN OFF, THEY HAVE AND THEY HAVE DONE SO FOR OTHER BUSINESSES. AND SO I AM GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. I DO REALLY LIKE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH'S IDEA OF LIMITING THE VAPING AND CBD OPTIONS. IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT, I KNOW HE HAS BEEN AN ADVOCATE HERE AND AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO RESTRICT AS

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CONDITION TO THIS PROJECT. >> YES, MA'AM. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, AND AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, AND AS HE SAID, IF YOU ARE UNDER 21, YOU CANNOT GO IN THERE ANYWAY. YOU WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. HE SAID THAT AT THE MEETING. I THINK PART OF HIS RESPONSE IS MORE THAT IF YOU'RE UNDER 21 YOU CANNOT COME TO MY STORE ANYWAY SO YOU WANT TO COME IN AND BUY IT. BUT HE WOULD BE GLAD TO DO THAT. SO THANK YOU MA'AM.

>> OKAY. WELL, IF THAT IS THE CASE WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE TEXT AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND OFFER A MOTION TO

ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024- >> 148

>> IF PROVING A REQUEST FOR MINOR MODIFICATION FOR ORDINANCE 1991 DASH 47 AS AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR A 10,000

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>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. 5-0. THANK YOU.

>> TO THE CHAIR? THROUGH THE CHAIR I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE ADDITIONAL CONVENTION WAS ADDED.

>> YES. OKAY. ONTO ITEM NUMBER 8. ALSO QUASIJUDICIAL.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> I THINK NOTE MEETINGS.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> NO MEETINGS.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> 90.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 278 ADAMS ROAD. I DO APOLOGIZE. MY HUSBAND WAS ACTUALLY MEANT TO PRESENT THIS BUT LIFE IN A MERCHANT MARINE'S SCHEDULE DOES NOT ALWAYS ALIGN SO HERE I AM.

BASICALLY, WE ARE HERE TO ASK THAT OUR PROPERTY ON COUNTY ROAD 13 BE REZONED TO OPEN ROLE. AM I DOING THIS RIGHT? SO, BASICALLY, THE PROPERTY HISTORICALLY WAS OPENED RURAL.

BUT UP UNTIL 2008, WHEN HE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD THE ZONING CHANGE TO PLAN RURAL IN ORDER TO BUILD FOUR HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY, THAT DEVELOPMENT NEVER OCCURRED. THE PERMITS HAVE SINCE EXPIRED. THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 56 ACRES IN TOTAL WITH A LITTLE OVER 2.5 ACRES OF UPLAND IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER ALONG COUNTY ROAD 13. IT IS OUR INTENTION TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN YET BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON TRYING TO SORT OUT THE REZONING ISSUES. ONCE WE CAN SORT THAT OUT, THEN OF COURSE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGNING AND THE PERMITTING AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF THAT COMES WITH BUILDING OUR HOME. BUT THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TODAY. ANY

QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT? >> ALL RIGHT. WE OPENED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8. WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COME FORWARD AND TAKE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

[9. Public Hearing * NZVAR 2023-23 Tampa Road.]

COMMENT. >> AND WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AREA. CONGRATULATIONS. MOTION TO ENACT 2024-16 APPROVING REZONING 2023- 25 STEELY RESIDENTS BASED UPON FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT? >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS. BEST OF LUCK. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.

QUASIJUDICIAL. COMMISSIONER JOSEPH?

>> NO MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YES. I HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETT, GINNY PRESENTED, AND TAMMY -- I HOPE I DON'T GET THIS WRONG -- SHMERMEN TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.

>> OKAY. I ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH DOUG BURNETT, GINNY, AND TAMMY SHMERMEN. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROAD AND FIRE RESCUE.

THAT IS ABOUT IT. COMMISSIONER >> WHITEHURST?

>> THANK YOU. I HAD THE SAME MEETING HERE IN THE OFFICE. WE DISCUSSED THE STAFF CONCERNS AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO

ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> YES. I MET WITH DOUG BURNETT IN THEM AT THE TIME AND

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PROPOSED AS IT WAS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. MR.

BURNETT? >> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. DOUG BURNETT. 104 MAIN STREET HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I HAD AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO REPRESENT REALLY GREAT FOLKS THAT ARE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS. MARK GORDON WAS HERE THIS MORNING. HE NEEDED TO WORK. BUT YOU HAVE GOT HOLDEN DUKE, JAMIE PASCETTI, AND JAMIE AND JAMIE'S HUSBAND. HOPEFULLY THIS IS FOR YOU AS FEEL-GOOD OF A PROJECT AS IT IS FOR ME. LIKE LOCATED ON THE COUNTY WHERE THEY WANT TO MOVE TO. THEY HAD A RURAL SETTING.

MOMENTS ARE COMING AROUND OVER THE YEARS. THEY WANT TO MOVE TO ANOTHER LITTLE RURAL AREA IN OUR COUNTY. ABOUT 214 SORT OF SITUATED BETWEEN COUNTY ROAD 13 A AND STATE ROAD 13 SOUTH. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE FROM A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT IS AGRICULTURAL ZONING. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LOCATION IN GENERAL. YOU CAN SEE ORANGE AVENUE COMING DOWN OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 114. ALSO KNOWN AS KING STREET. YOU CAN SEE RIVERDALE ROAD. ON THE SOUTH OF RIVERDALE ROAD. THERE IS DAN ROAD. WE ARE TAKING ANOTHER LOOK HERE. WE CAN SEE THE PARCELS INVOLVED IN THE YELLOW REPRESENTS DAN RHODES THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY. OWNERSHIP. YOU CAN SEE WERE THE OWNERS THAT I JUST INTRODUCED YOU TO ARE LOCATED AT ON THE MAP. AS FAR AS THEIR INDIVIDUAL PARCELS. AN INTERESTING THING WAS, HEY, DOUG, THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY ROAD, HOW DID THIS EXIST? IF I ZOOM OUT FROM WHERE TAMPA ROAD IS, IT INCLUDES ALL THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY'S WITHIN THE RIVERDALE FARM AND THERE IS WHAT IS SHOWING IN BLUE. I CLICKED IT TO IDENTIFY AND I ZOOMED OUT AND THIS IS THE VIEW OF YOU GET. THIS IS THE OLD RIVERDALE LAND COMPANY PLOT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE PLOT AND WHAT IS INTERESTING. AND IF YOU FLIP TO THE THIRD AND FOURTH PAGE WITH THE PLOT, YOU CAN SEE SPECIFICALLY THAT AREA THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE TODAY THAT IS ON THE PLOT. YOU CAN LOOK JUST LEFT OF THE YELLOW LINE AND SEE TAMPA BEING IDENTIFIED. IT IS FROM THE EARLY 1900 TIME PERIOD. AND THIS IS ORANGE AVENUE LOOKING TO THE SOUTH. YOU CAN NOTE HERE THE ROAD SIGN HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED. THEY WENT OUT AND GOT TO THE D.O.T. ROAD SIGN BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS DURING THE PROCESS FOR A STREET SIGN THERE. JUST LOOKING AT WHAT TAMPA ROAD LOOKS LIKE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE IT DOES KIND OF FOLLOW THE TELEPHONE POLES THAT ARE THERE.

THIS ROAD IS TRAVELED BY TRACTOR-TRAILERS PRETTY ROUTINELY IN CONNECTION WITH FARM OPERATIONS. SO THEY GET HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC TO THEIR ALREADY. SO THEY KNOW THAT IT IS GOING TO BE CAPABLE OF DOING THE THINGS, MEANING BEING STABILIZED AND SUPPORT FIRE TRUCKS AND APPARATUS AND RESPONDERS IN THIS KIND OF THINGS. THE OTHER THING WAS WE WANTED TO SEE A ROAD MAINTENANCE EASEMENT OR AGREEMENT, AND THIS WAS A STAFF COMMENT. YOU OWNERS ARE GOING TO NEED AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU TO MAINTAIN THESE THINGS AND COMPLY WITH THE NON-ZONING VARIANCE. WE HAVE ALREADY DRAFTED IT. IT IS READY TO GO. ONE OF THE THINGS ON THIS DOCUMENT, BUT JOHN WHITEMAN IN MY OFFICE DRAFTED THIS. JOHN WHITEMAN IS ONE OF MY GREAT MENTORS IN LIFE. AND JOHN IS APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AWAY FROM CELEBRATING HIS 50TH YEAR AS A LAWYER HERE IN ST. JOHNS. ANYWAYS, FLIPPING OVER TO JUST SORT OF PUT THE OWNERSHIP IN CONTEXT AND ALSO WITH THE REQUIREMENTS IN ORANGE, THE CONDITIONS THAT RELATE SPECIFICALLY TO THE INTERSECTION OF ORANGE AVENUE, THE EXISTING ASPHALT ON TAMPA ROAD, COUNTY STAFF WANT TODAY FIVE FOOT MINIMUM PAVED AVENUE. THE POINT OF THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE YOU GO ON AND OFF OF THE PAVED ASPHALT. THEY ARE FINE WITH IT. KEEP IT 20 FEET OF WIDTH. ALSO PUT UP A

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SO ALL OF THOSE ARE EASY. THEY ARE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THEY ARE READY TO COMPLY AND READY TO GO AND THEY ARE READY TO SIGN THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. THEY ARE REALLY EXCITED. IT IS A 10 ACRE PARCEL. SO YOU HAVE GOT THREE 10 ACRES AND A TWO ACRE PARCEL. WE APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION.

AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BURNETT? THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

[10. Public Hearing * CDD 2023-03 Petition to Establish the Orange Branch CDD.]

>> OKAY. WE ARE BACK TO THE BAR. MOTION TO APPROVE NON-ZONING VARIANCE 2023-2023 TAMPA ROAD FOR THE EXISTING PRIVATE ACCESS WAY BASED UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND FIVE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT?

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. AND PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. AND WE ARE ONTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. LAST QUASIJUDICIAL.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> I CAN'T FIND IT BUT I

DON'T THINK SO. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> NO RECORD OF ANY MEETINGS. >> AND I MYSELF HAVE NEVER COULD'VE ANY MEETINGS. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NONE. >> OKAY.

>> BLESS YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LAUREN GENTRY. I AM WITH THE LAW FIRM OF KILINSKI VAN WYK PLLC. I WILL BRING US FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION. THIS PROPOSED DISTRICT WOULD COVER APPROXIMATELY 963.43 ACRES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA. IT IS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH AND EAST OF STATE ROAD 13, SOUTH OF GREENBRIER ROAD, AND NORTH AND WEST OF THE RIVER'S EDGE CDD, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE RIVERTOWN DEVELOPMENT. IT IS LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. NOW, AS A PRELIMINARY MATTER, I WILL JUST NARROW THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER TODAY. THE ONLY MATTER BEFORE YOU IS FOR THE TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO SERVE AS THE LONG-TERM FINANCE, MAINTENANCE, AND GOVERNANCE ENTITY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WILL NOTE THAT ANY MATTERS PERTAINING TO PLANNING, ZONING, DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS, ANY OF THAT, IS NOT MATERIAL TO TODAY'S PROCEEDING. WE HAVE WORKED WITH COUNTY STAFF TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED DISTRICT, AND TO WORK OUT ANY ISSUES, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED STAFF WITH AFFIDAVITS AND PREFILED TESTIMONY OF JUSTIN DUDLEY, THE PETITIONER'S REPRESENTATIVE, AND THE PROPOSED DISTRICT MANAGER WHO AT THIS STAGE SERVES AS THE ASSESSMENTS CONSULTANT, AND GEORGE CONCERNS, THE COMMISSIONER OF THE PROJECT. I WILL GET INTO THE STATUTORY FACTORS BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. BUT JUST AS A MATTER OF PREVIEW, WE DO CONTEND THAT THE PREFILED TESTIMONY SATISFIES ALL THE STATUTORY FACTORS. SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS WOULD BE A CDD TO GOVERN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE. THE CDD IS PROPOSED TO FUND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, WATER, SEWER REUSE FACILITIES, OFFSIDE ROADWAY, AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, TRAFFIC CIRCLE IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION, POCKET PARKS, ENTRY FEATURES, RECREATION FEATURES AND AMENITIES, AND ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PERMITTED UNDER CHAPTER 190 OF THE STATUTES. BUT, NOTABLY, IT WOULD ONLY BE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS DOES NOT RELATE TO THE PRIVATE LOT DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT. NOW, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALSO MADE WITH CDD'S. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS MADE GOOD USE OF THEM AND HAS SET A GOOD STANDARD FOR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. FOR HIGH LEVELS OF AMENITIES AND SERVICES AND MAINTENANCE ARE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE COME TO EXPECT. AND THAT IS WHAT A CDD CAN OFFER. A FEW OF THE ADVANTAGES OF A CDD AS

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IMPORTANTLY, THE COUNTY RETAINS ALL OF ITS PLANNING, ZONING POWERS. THE CDD HAS VERY LIMITED POWERS THAT ARE RELATED TO MAINTAINING THAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. AND DELIVERING THOSE PUBLIC SERVICES. ADDITIONALLY, NO DEBT OF THE CDD CAN BE A DEBT OF THE COUNTY. STATUES HAVE CODIFIED THAT AND MADE THAT ASSURANCE TO THE COUNTY. THE CDD DEBT ALSO IS NOT DISCLOSED ON THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

THAT IS A QUESTION WE GET SOMETIMES. WILL THIS REFLECT NEGATIVELY ON US? THE ANSWER IS NO. IT IS SOLELY CDD DEBT PAID BACK BY THE OWNERS IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS BENEFITING. THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY. IT IS A STABLE FINANCING SOURCE. THE NEW ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS BUILT COMPLETELY WITHOUT THE USE OF COUNTY FUNDS OUR COUNTY BONDING

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THAT THE CDD IS DEVELOPABLE AS ONE FUNCTIONAL INTERRELATED COMMUNITY BASED ON THE SIZE, COMPACTNESS, AND CONTINUITY.

CDD FACILITIES WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING SERVICES AND FACILITIES. THE AREA SUBJECT TO THE CDD IS AMENABLE TO SEPARATE DISTRICTS OF GOVERNMENT. AND THAT THE CDD IS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE FOR THE DELIVERY OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPING SERVICES AND FACILITIES. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE DID PREFILED TESTIMONY THAT WE BELIEVE SUPPORTS ALL OF THESE CRITERIA. WE DO HAVE HERE TODAY JUSTIN DUDLEY, THE PETITIONER'S REPRESENTATIVE AND GEORGE CACERES, THE ENGINEER. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ANSWERED, I WILL REMIND THE COMMISSION AND THE AUDIENCE HERE THAT FLORIDA STATUTE SAYS THAT ANY MATTERS RELATED TO PLANNING AND ZONING ARE IMMATERIAL TO THIS DECISION TODAY. IT IS A VERY NO DECISION FOR YOU WHETHER TO ESTABLISH A CDD AS A LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE , GOVERNANCE, AND FINANCING ENTITY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN

ANSWER RIGHT NOW? >> YES. DO YOU GUYS OWN THE ROADS AND TAKE CARE OF THE ROAD SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ROAD

MAINTENANCE? >> THAT IS CURRENTLY -- THE CDD WOULD NOT TURN OVER ANY ROADS TO THE COUNTY UNLESS THE COUNTY AGREED TO ACCEPT THEM. SO THERE WOULD BE NO OBLIGATION UNLESS THE COUNTY AGREED TO ACCEPT THOSE ROADS. IT WOULD NOT BE AN OBLIGATION TO THE COUNTY.

>> THANK YOU. AND DOES THE LIVE LOCAL ACT APPLY TO THIS AT ALL?

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, MR. SLEEMAN.

COMES TO MIND. SHE KNEW A LOT OF DEVELOPERS. AND SHE THOUGHT CDDS WERE IN END-RUN AROUND COUNTY COMMISSION. WE JUST HAD A VERY FINE PRESENTATION ON CDDS. JUST OVER EASTER THEY REVOKED HER CHANGE THE DECISION FOR CDDS. IT IS A WAY OF MAKING THINGS NONTRANSPARENT. THEY DO NOT HAVE TELEVISED MEETINGS.

AND IT IS A WAY FOR DEVELOPERS TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY THEIR HOMES TO PAY THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE PAID IN THE FIRST PLACE. DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE? I DIDN'T THINK SO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER?

>> YEAH. I DECIDED I DISAGREE. >> WELL, TELL ME AFTER CLASS

BY. >> ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE

[11. Presentation of 2024 Live Local Act Glitch Bill.]

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

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>> I WILL MOVE TWO ORDERS 2024- >> 17.

>> ESTABLISHING THE GREENBRIER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT

BASED ON THE FACT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. ONTO OUR LAST ITEM. ITEM NUMBER 11.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> FOR THE RUNNER, CHRISTINE VALLIERE, SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. I AM HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, KEELEY WEST, AND WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT YOU THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT 2024 GLITCH BILL. I WILL COVER THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMPONENT AND MISS WEST WILL ADDRESS THE TAXATION ISSUES THAT HAVE -- THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS BILL. IT IS PENDING THE GOVERNOR'S APPROVAL. I CHECKED THIS MORNING. IT IS NOT BEEN TRANSMITTED TO THE GOVERNOR YET. BASICALLY, THERE ARE THREE COMPONENTS OF THE GLITCH BILL.

IT IS A COMBINATION OF 348 WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSE BILL 349 WHICH IS THE TAXATION BILL. THE FIRST COMPONENT AMENDS THE LAND-USE RESUMPTION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT ALSO MEANT THE MISSING MIDDLE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, AND IT THIRDLY PROVIDES FUNDS FOR THE HOMETOWN HERO PROGRAM AT $100 MILLION. AMENDS TO THE PREVENTION INCLUDE ELIGIBLE ZONING AND APPLICABILITY, DENSITY AND HEIGHT ALLOWANCES, PARKING PROVISIONS, AND ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS. IN GENERAL, THE LIVE LOCAL ACT PREVENTION IS ESTABLISHED IN SECTION 125.0 1055 SEVEN OF FLORIDA STATUTES, AND THIS IS A REVIEW OF WHAT WAS ENACTED LAST YEAR. IT IS ENACTED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON PROPERTY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND MIXED USE BY PROVIDING FAIR USE DENSITY, HEIGHT, AND ADMINISTRATIVE STANDAIF AT LEAST 40% OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS A PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OUR RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLY PRICED, AND THAT IS DEFINED TO NOT EXCEED 120% OF THE AREA MEDIUM INCOME, ALSO KNOWN AS AMI FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS, ADMISSION OF APPROVALS REQUIRED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OF THE STATUTORY HEIGHT , DENSITY, AND PARKING STANDARDS ARE MET. ALL OTHER APPLICABLE LOCAL LAND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS MUST ALSO BE SATISFIED. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR BUFFERS, YOUR SETBACKS, YOUR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, AND EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF LOCAL REGULATION. THE AMENDMENT CLARIFIES THAT A PROJECT COULD INCLUDE BOTH MULTIFAMILY OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL DEVELOPMENT AS LONG AS AT LEAST 40% OF THE TOTAL UNITS ARE RENTAL AND/OR AFFORDABLE. IN ADDITION TO THE PREVENTION ALONG FOR MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY PERMITTED BY LOCAL LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THE AMENDMENT ADDS A PREEMPTION TO LOCAL FLOOR AREA RATIO OR IT THEY ARE REGULATIONS. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CANNOT RESTRICT THE RATIO OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT BELOW 150% OF THE HIGHEST CURRENTLY ALLOWED FA ARE ON ANY LAND-USE JURISDICTION REGULATIONS. THAT MEANS FOR ST.

JOHNS, THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO BEING 80% IN THE TOWN CENTER MIXED-USE DISTRICT, THAT FAR WOULD BE 120% IF THE GLITCH BILL IS APPROVED. THE LIVE LOCAL ACT ALSO PREVENT THE COUNTY FROM RESTRICTING BUILDING HEIGHTS BELOW THE HIGHEST CURRENTLY ALLOWED FOR A COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION WITHIN A MILE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR THREE STORIES, WHICHEVER IS HIGHER. THAT IS EXISTING. THE GLITCH BILL REDUCES THE MAXIMUM FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ADJACENT TO OR -- ADJACENT ON TWO OR MORE SITES. A PARCEL ZONED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE. THAT IS WITHIN A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH AT LEAST 25 CONTINUOUS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO 150% OF THE TALLEST BUILDING ON PROPERTY WITHIN A QUARTER-MILE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR THREE STORIES, WHICHEVER IS HIGHER. SO THERE IS SOME RELIEF WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT A PROPOSED LIVE LOCAL ACT PROJECT. THE

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OKAY. AT THIS POINT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MS. WEST.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO YOU ARE A CALL UNDER LIVE LOCAL ACT, THERE WERE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR THE MISSING MIDDLE. THERE WERE OTHER ONES, BUT WE WILL CONCENTRATE ON THE MISSING MIDDLE PROPERTY TAX. SO IT CREATED A PROPERTY TAX FOR MULTIFAMILY MIDDLE MARKET, WHICH BASICALLY IF YOU HAD 71 OR GREATER UNITS THAT WERE AFFORDABLE AND EARN UP TO 420 AMI, IT WAS CERTIFIED TO THE FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY TAX COLLECTOR. THE COUNTY WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT. WHETHER IT DID PREEMPT AN EXEMPT PROPERTY TAXES. THIS YEAR IN THE TAXES, THEY MADE SOME CHANGES. AND THEY HAVE ALLOWED BASICALLY AN OPT OUT FOR THAT PROVISION. SO THE COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT AND SAY THAT THEY DO NOT WANT THAT PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION TO OCCUR IF YOU MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE LOOKING BETWEEN THE 120 AMI IN THE PROPERTY TAX, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE AND AVAILABLE UNITS BELOW 120 IS GREATER THAN THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS AND INCOME LEVEL. THAT IS THE TERM BY THE RECENT REPORT. AS YOU KNOW OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DATA COMES FROM MISSION BERG STUDIES AND THE MOST RECENT REPORT.

IF WE HAVE A SURPLUS IN THAT CATEGORY, THE COUNTY COULD THEN

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>> THANK YOU, MS. WEST. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE

BOARD? >> YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW MANY PROPERTIES TOTAL RIGHT NOW HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR DO WE NOT APPROVE? HOW MANY UNITS? YOU SAID THREE PROPERTIES?

>> TO THE CHAIR AND TO THE BOARD TO COMMISSIONER JOSEPH LOT. SO MY ASPECT OF IT WAS JUST TAXES. SO THE THREE PROPERTIES WE ARE AWARE OF TO HAVE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, THEY DID NOT COME IN UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL GROWTH ASPECT OF IT. THERE ARE TWO THINGS. YOU CAN STILL FILE FOR THE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS AND NOT USE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ASPECTS OF THE PREEMPTION OF LIVE LOCAL.

SO THESE WERE ALREADY DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE EXISTING. THEY DECIDED TO TAKE 70 OF THEIR UNITS AND MAKE THEM AFFORDABLE UP TO THE 120 AMI . AS FAR AS HOMIES ENGINES WE HAVE UNDER LIVE LOCAL, I WILL PASS IT.

>> YES. NICE FALLING BEHIND YOU, COMMISSIONER. I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT HAVE APPLIED USING THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. THEY HAVE TO APPLY LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE TO BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE ACT, AS WELL AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE OTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE NOT PREEMPTED BY THE STATE.

SO THERE ARE TWO PENDING OF 12 MILE MULTI FAMILY WITH 234 UNITS AND 207 INFIELD WITH 279 UNITS IN THAT TOTAL IS BY 13.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT IS NOTHING WE PLANNED AHEAD OF

TIME FOR. >> RIGHT. THOSE ARE OUR PROJECTS GOING INTO COMMERCIAL.

>> WE HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PIECE NEXT TO A BURN PLANT, THEY CAN PUT 500 UNITS RIGHT THERE? RIGHT?

>> IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. YES.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO AT THIS MOMENT TO WAIT

UNTIL THE SHAKES OUT OR -- >> THERE ARE A VARIETY OF THINGS THE BOARD COULD CONSIDER. FIRST OFF, TO ADDRESS THE OPT OUT PROVISION FROM THE MISSING MIDDLE TAX EXEMPTION FOR THOSE UNITS PRICED BETWEEN 80% AND 120% OF AMI, THE BOARD KENDRICK STAFF TO DRAFT A RESOLUTION OPTING OUT OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE EXEMPTION AT THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNS THE BILL.

THERE ARE AREAS OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THE LEGISLATURE TO CONSIDER IN THE NEXT SESSION, WE COULD WORK ON THOSE ISSUES, WORK ON A LETTER TO PREPARE TO OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION, THE SENATE PRESIDENT, AND THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION. AS FAR AS OTHER JURISDICTIONS INITIATING LITIGATION, AGAINST THE STATE FOR THE ENACTMENT OF THE LOCAL PROVISIONS, THERE IS A COUNTY -- IN PARTICULAR PASCO COUNTY, HAS NOT PURSUED LITIGATION. IT

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THEY SEEM TO BE MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAX IMPLICATIONS. I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DORAL -- I'M SORRY. BAR HARBOR. IT IS BEING SUED BY A DEVELOPER FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. THAT IS A RECENT LAWSUIT.

SO THE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND THE STATE ARE WATCHING IT VERY CLOSELY. THE BOARD COULD ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO RESEARCH WHETHER PURSUING A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT ACTION AGAINST THE STATE WOULD BE A MATTER OF SUING THE GOVERNOR OR SUING THE SENATE PRESIDENT OR CHALLENGING PROVISIONS OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT ON WHETHER IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT. THE ONE THAT IS CONSIDERED QUOTE, UNQUOTE THE NUCLEAR OPTION WOULD BE ENACTING A MORATORIUM ON ACCEPTING ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS TO DEVELOP UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT . THAT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM AND I WOULD RECOMMEND NO LONGER THAN A YEAR. THAT WILL BE ON THE BASIS OF MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GO THROUGH ITS COMPLICATED REVIEW AND AMENDMENT PROCESS AND TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THE PREEMPTION'S IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT WITHIN THE POLICIES AND GOALS OF THE

COMPREHENSIVE USE PLAN. >> I MEAN, I CAN SEE A MORATORIUM WHERE WE CAN WE LOOK AT THAT TO SEE WHERE THOSE THINGS MIGHT HAPPEN AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT AT THE END OF THE MORATORIUM, YOU WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIVE AT THAT POINT. AND ALSO THE GOVERNOR WHAT HAS SIGNED WHATEVER AND ANY OTHER GLITCHES WHAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY TAKING CARE OF.

THAT IS MY SUGGESTION. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JOSEPH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THE POSSIBILITY. IT SORT OF BRINGS MY BELL. I KIND OF LIKE IT. LET ME JUST SAY AGAIN, I WANT SOME IDEA WHERE I AM COMING FROM. IT WAS A LITTLE MORE THAN 50 YEARS AGO WHERE THEY CREATED A SPECIAL COMMISSION ON HOME ROLE. AND BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE COMMISSION'S WERE, THERE WAS PASSED A COMMON RULE AMENDMENT IN THE CONSTITUTION AND FOLLOWING THAT WAS PASSED. SO WE ACTUALLYHAVE A CONSTITUTION AS I RECALL. IS THAT RIGHT, CHRISTINE?

>> YES. >> SO WHAT I HAVE SEEN, AND I HAVE SERVED ON THIS BOARD FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS, AND EROSION OF HOME RULE AND THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION GRANTED TO US FROM THE PUBLIC BY VIRTUE OF THAT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. SO THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. I'M SURE IT HAS HAPPENED TO EACH OF YOU. CERTAINLY WAS SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I HAVE BEEN BEAT UP AND BEAT UP AND BEAT UP. A NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WHAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND EXPLAIN HOW WE HAVE BEEN PREEMPTIVE. AND HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. IN FACT, NOT LONG AFTER WE DENY ON THE 12 UNITS IN HERITAGE PARK ON 1.3 ACRES, THAT DEVELOPERS GOING FORWARD FOR APPROVAL. IT HAS BASICALLY BEEN TEMPORARILY, LET'S SAY STALLED, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING. BUT NEVERTHELESS , I AM SORT OF WARMING UP TO THE IDEA OF A MORATORIUM. YOU KNOW? OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE I GO BACK A FEW YEARS, IT IS MY EXPERIENCE.

WE WERE GIVEN TO US OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THESE CONCESSIONS WHEN THE AUDITORIUM WAS FILLED EARLIER TODAY WITH PEOPLE. THESE ARE NOT GLOBAL ISSUES WE SHOULD BE DECIDING.

MANAGEMENTS AND REZONINGS. I JUST DID NOT REALLY GET WHERE THIS CAME FROM. WHEN THE CITY BECAME KIND OF, LET'S JUST

TELL IT LIKE IT IS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

DEAN. >> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO ASK OCA AS FAR AS

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>> YES. SO THAT COMES WITH POTENTIAL LIABILITY FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS CLAIMS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE BERT HARRIS ACT DOES NOT CONSIDER MORATORIUMS LESS THAN 12 MONTHS TO BE AN INORDINATE BURDEN ON PROPERTY RIGHTS. BUT THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF ARGUMENTS THAT YOU RUN INTO WITH A MORATORIUM. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MINIMAL ENACTMENT AND RATIONAL BASIS FOR THE MORATORIUM IS TIED INTO THE ORDINANCE. SO WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON

TYING THOSE INTO PROVISIONS. >> BUT COULD YOU MAKE IT JUST FOR THE LIVE LOCAL OR IS THAT --

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> WELCOME OBVIOUSLY GOING BACK TO ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WAS DISCUSSED, THE MISSING MIDDLE PROPERTY TAX. IF

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPT OUT -- >> YES.

>> I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF OPTING OUT. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON

THE RECORD. >> ALSO, IF YOU DID THAT COME ABOUT BECOME EFFECTIVE IN JANUARY OF 2025. SO IT WOULD

BE IN THE NEXT TAX YEAR. >> YEAH. THAT MAKES A LOT OF TEXANS TO ME. AND WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS A NUCLEAR OPTION OF THE MORATORIUM. AS EXCITING AS THAT SOUNDS, MAYBE I AM BEING OVERLY CAUTIOUS. CALL ME WHAT EVERYONE. WHATEVER LITIGATION IS, THEY HAVE A CASE LAW THAT THEY GO BACK TO TIME AND TIME AGAIN , AND IT CONSTANTLY SHAPES WHAT WE DO UP HERE WHEN IT RELATES TO EACH OF THESE MODIFICATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF FALL HARBORS GOING TO FALL VICTIM AND BECOME THE POSTER CHILD OF WHAT NOT TO DO. I DO NOT WANT TO BE SUBSECTION B OF THAT PARAGRAPH. I DON'T WANT TO JOIN -- I DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW PEOPLE DOWN THE WRONG PATH SO MAYBE THE MORATORIUM IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I WOULD JUST WAIT FOR SOME CAUTION BECAUSE MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE COURTS DECIDE. SO MAYBE BAL HARBOUR IS RIGHT IN THEIR ACTIONS.

>> IT IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS PAYING DEVELOPERS FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S MISTAKES AS THERE IS ALREADY AN EXAMPLE. SO THAT IS MY THOUGHTS ON THE MORATORIUM. I ADMIT I AM BEING

OVERLY CAUTIOUS. >> NO. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK I AM GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAUTIOUS AS WELL. PERHAPS GATHERING MORE INFORMATION, IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE PREMATURE. AND SINCE THERE IS ALREADY PENDING LITIGATION WITH THE MUNICIPALITY, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE GUINEA PIG. I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING IN THE POSITION OF BEING THE GUINEA PIG. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>> COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> IS THE BAL HARBOUR THE ONE

DOING WITH THE MORATORIUM? >> NO. IT IS NOT. SO A

MORATORIUM IS LEGAL. CORRECT? >> IF ENACTED CORRECTLY.

>> SHOULD WE NOT AT LEAST LOOK INTO THAT?

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> YES. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT. WE SHOULD AWAIT THE OUTCOME BECAUSE IF , NUMBER ONE, WHAT BAL HARBOUR IS FACED WITH IS SIMPLY DENYING THE LOCAL ACT OF THE MORATORIUM , THE NUCLEAR OPTION IN THE SITS LITIGATION. I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL.

TAXPAYERS AND OUR GENERAL FUND IS WHAT IS AT STAKE. YEAH. IT IS NOT SOMETHING I AM PREPARED TO DO TODAY. SPECIALLY WITHOUT LOOKING POTENTIAL LEGAL CONSEQUENCES OF THAT ACTION.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> LET ME ASK THE FEDERAL GROUP OF LAWYERS WE HAVE. NEVERTHELESS, THE BAL HARBOUR CASE, DO WE KNOW, LIKE TO TAKE ACTION, IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE TALKING THREE MONTHS OR THREE YEARS?

>> THAT I DO NOT KNOW. HOW QUICKLY THAT CASE WILL GET RESOLVED IS UNDETERINED AT THIS POINT. IT IS POSSIBLE THERE COULD BE A SUMMARY JUDGMENT IF IT IS PURELY A LEGAL ARGUMENT. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT OUTCOME.

>> I MEAN, I AM INTERESTED IN BOTH CHRISTIAN AND SARAH. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN BEING A LITTLE CAUTIOUS. I ALWAYS

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GO. >> IT IS FAIR. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FAIR. OKAY. SO THOUGH IS NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION.

>> MADAM CHAIR? >> YES.

>> JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION, THAT LAWSUIT IN BAL HARBOUR IS THAT THE GOVERNMET IS LEGALLY CONSIDERING THAT VILLAGE. SO IT IS TIED TO THAT.

INFORMATION SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. YEAH. AFRICA KEEP AN EYE ON THAT IN MY PERSONAL SPANS AS WE WOULD WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS AT THAT POINT AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FROM THERE.

ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE WILL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 11. >> I HAD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY AND EVERYBODY HERE FOR READING EVERYTHING I HAVE SUBMITTED FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT WAS. I KNOW I FEEL LIKE I AM BEATING A DEAD HORSE AND REPEATING MYSELF, BUT THIS IS JUST THAT IMPORTANT THAT WE CAN'T CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD. IT IS A DANGEROUS ROAD. SO, GOSH, WHERE DO WE EVEN START AT THIS POINT. THE LAW SHOULD HAVE JUST DIED. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN VETOED FLAT ON ITS FACE. IT IS AGAINST THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE SEVEN SECTION 3 AND I CAN READ THAT OUT, BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I HOPE THAT ALL THE ATTORNEYS HERE AT LEAST KNOW WHAT THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION SAYS IN THAT ARTICLE. SO LET'S JUST GIVE A SCENARIO. WE ARE AT THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL. AND IT IS WHATEVER HEIGHT. IF YOU TAKE A ONE MILE RADIUS FROM THERE AND GO SOUTHEAST, YOU GET TO AVOID AND DISMISS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND DISMISS PLANNING AND ZONING, GO AHEAD AND PUT UP A -- I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS THE HEIGHT OF RENAISSANCE -- PUT UP A 50 FOOT BUILDING THERE AND ANOTHERMALE YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE EAST, AND NOW WE ARE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH IN DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF 55 BUILDINGS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AT THE BEACH? WE HAVE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AROUND HERE. SO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE SERVING YOUR VOICE AN YOUR IN PLANNING AND ZONING IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THIS IS NOT THE WAY OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC OPERATES. IT REALLY MAKES ME MAD. SO THE ASSUMPTION MAY BE GRANTED ONLY BY AN ORDINANCE OF THE COUNTY AND ONLY AFTER THE ELECTORS OF THE COUNTY VOTING ON SUCH A QUESTION IS SUCH A REFERENDUM AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY TO ADOPT SUCH ORDINANCES. SO IS THAT TRUE? IS THAT TRUE THAT WE WILL HAVE A BUNCH OF 55 BUILDINGS FOR EXAMPLE ONE MILE, ONE MILE, AND THE DISTANCE SEEMED TO CHANGE. SO I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT CHANGES THEY MADE. THANK YOU TO PASCO FOR BRINGING THIS UP AND THREATENING TO SUE. IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THAT LAW SAYS THAT IT IS SYRUPS MY LAW, YOUR VOICE, AND ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS JUST GO OUT THE WINDOW. THAT IS NOT HOW I CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC FUNCTIONS. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION TO FOLLOW. SO CAN SOMEONE ANSWER MY QUESTION THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO KEEP BUILDING LIKE THE TALLEST BUILDING IN ST. JOHNS AND THEN JUST KEEP GOING A MILE AND BUILD A 50 FOOT BUILDING? IS THAT TRUE? IS THAT HOW THE LAW

WORKS? >> THE PREEMPTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT FOR HEIGHT IS YOU ARE ONLY GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION. SO WE WOULD NOT LOOK AT IF THERE IS A PROJECT THAT IS WITHIN A MILE OF THE CITY JURISDICTION, WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER THEIR BUILDING HEIGHT. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER REGULATIONS THAT COULD IMPACT BUILDING HEIGHT LIKE SETBACKS AND BUFFERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ALL THE OTHER REGULATIONS THAT ARE NOT

PREEMPTIVE WILL STILL APPLY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>>, MA'AM, THANK YOU. >> WE APPRECIATE IT. I

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>> NAME AND ADDRESS? >> YOU KNOW. 304. MY FRIEND HENRY DEAN, THE FIRST TIME I MET HIM I THINK NINE YEARS AGO AT SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, IT WAS A PARTY FOR THE NEW LAW FIRM IN A TALK TO HIM ABOUT A MORATORIUM. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING OUT ON FAVOR OF MORATORIUM. WE CAN LITIGATE.

WE HAVE GOT LAWYERS. LET ME JUST QUOTE THE WORDS OF A FORMER U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR OFFICER HEARINGS AND APPEALS MANAGER UNDER PRESIDENT REAGAN. TIM BURNS. HE HARASSED AND INTIMIDATED THE INDIAN PROBATE FOR SPEAKING OUT IN FAVOR OF JUDICIAL INDEPENDENCE. GOVERNMENT LAWYER. REPUBLICAN.

HE SAID IT COST US NOTHING TO LITIGATE. IT IS BASICALLY TRUE HERE. WE HAVE INSURANCE. WE HAVE LAWYERS. LET'S USE THEIR TALENTS AND SKILLS AND MAKE A MOTION TODAY AND ASK THE OCA TO DO A THOROUGH JOB OF A LEGAL RESEARCH MEMO AND ALL THESE OPTIONS YOU JUST HEARD SURFACED HERE TODAY. LET'S DO THIS AND LET'S GET TO THREE VOTES. CAN I GET TO THREE VOTES PLEASE? TO PURSUE AND ILLUSTRATE AND EXPLAIN TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE PEOPLE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A MORATORIUM. NOT JUST ON THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, BUT ALSO ON ANY MORE OF THESE PHONY DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE DESTROYING OUR LAND AND DESTROYING OUR CULTURE AND DESTROYING OUR WAY OF LIFE. DESTROYING OUR ENVIRNMENT. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? I WANT TO SALUTE OUR FRIEND HENRY DEAN FOR RESURFACING AFTER ALL THESE

YEARS. NINE YEARS AGO IT WAS. >> YOU ARE NOT INCLUDING ME?

>> I AM DEFINITELY INCLUDING YOU. GOD BLESS YOU. BUT IF I CAN'T CORRECTLY, IT IS ONE, TWO, ONE MORE, AND YOU HAVE GOT A MOTION. SO I WILL SIT DOWN. AND I THINK HENRY HAD A QUOTE FROM A FORMER GOVERNOR. IF YOU GOT THE VOTES, SIT DOWN AND

SHUT UP. >> THAT IS GOVERNOR BY THE WAY.

COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME, IN THE MOTION --

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE COMMENT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT RESEARCH I COULD ASK THE LEGAL STUFF TO DO TODAY. I THINK MY ISSUE IS SEEING THIS HOPEFULLY SHORT RULING ON THAT BAL HARBOUR CASE BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE STEPPING INTO THE SAME QUAGMIRE THAT THEY MIGHT BE IN IT SHORTLY. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING TO ASK FOR RESEARCH BUT I CAN SAY I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CASE RESOLVED QUICKLY SO WE CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO

[Public Comment]

>> I CAN ALWAYS MAKE THAT MOTION BUT I DO NOT THINK I WILL GET A SECOND. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF THIS CONTINUES TO GO FORWARD LIKE THIS, WE DON'T NEED TO INCLUDE DEVELOPERS IN THIS COUNTY TO INCLUDE WORKFORCE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO GET IT AUTOMATICALLY. SO WE ARE GOING TO GET IT OUT OF CONTROL AND AUTOMATICALLY SO GOING FORWARD THAT IS THE OTHER THING WE NEED

TO DO. >> OKAY. SO THAT WRAPS IT UP.

LET'S GO INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW HER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

>> ED SLAVENBOX. HURRICANES ARE BIGGER. OCEAN LEVELS RISING. THE FLOODING OF OUR STREETS IS BECOMING THE NEW NORMAL. WE WILL SURVIVE BUT WE MUST ACT. THERE ARE 32+ ST.

JOHNS NEIGHBORHOODS WITH BAD DRAINAGE DUE TO NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING.

BEFORE WORLD WAR II, SERVE WINSTON CHESTER CHURCHILL SPOKE AGAINST IT STATING THE ERA OF PROCRASTINATION, OF SOOTHING EXPEDIENCE OF DELAYS IS COMING TO A CLOSE. IN ITS PLACE, WE ARE ENTERING A PERIOD OF CONSEQUENCES. OPTIMISTS

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HOW WOULD EACH PROPOSAL AFFECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE? OUR PRECIOUS HISTORIC CULTURAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL HERITAGE IN SEVEN GENERATIONS? THAT IS A QUESTION THE NATIVE AMERICANS ACT.

LET'S ENACT THE HISTORICAL PARK AND SEASHORE FIRST PROPOSED IN 1939 BY MAYOR WALTER FRASER AND SANDERS CHARLES ANDERSON CLAUDE PEPPER AND SENATOR JOSEPH HENDRIX.

LET'S PROTECT THE 100,000 ACRES THAT OUR GOVERNMENT ALREADY OWNS IN TWO COUNTIES AND PREVENTED FROM BEING BULLDOZED, POLLUTED, OR HORSE WALLET AWAY FROM US. LET'S ENACT STRONGER STATE AND LOCAL LAWS PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. LET'S PLAN TREES INCLUDING MANGROVES AS PART OF NATURAL ORDER. US TO STORE OUR WETLANDS AND OYSTER BEDS TO ATTRACT US FROM HURRICANES. LET'S ENACT A LEGAL MORATORIUM ON BIG DEVELOPMENTS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES.

LET'S STOP SECRETIVE DEVELOPERS DEVASTATING THE DEVELOPMENT OF FOREST AND WETLANDS. AS JOHN OREO WROTE, THESE COME TATERS OF RAVAGING COMMERCIALISM SEEM TO HAVE A PERFECT CONTEMPORARY NATURE AND INSTEAD OF LETTING THEIR EYES TO THE GOD OF THE MOUNTAIN THEY LEFT THEM TO THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. AND MAYOR NANCY SHAVER ONLY ONCE WHEN THERE WAS A PROBLEM, ONLY ONCE, IN 1550 DAYS DID NANCY SHAVER EVER MEET WITH AN APPLICANT. YOU SHOULD FOLLOW HER EXAMPLE. THANK YOU,

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. >> ELIZABETH POTTER. MY ADDRESS IS OUT FRONT. SO WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE LIVE LOCAL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT A POLITICIAN. BUT IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE A JOINT RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN JOIN WITH OTHER COUNTIES AND SAY BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS LIVE LOCAL ACT IS AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPT OUT OPTION FOR IT COMPLETELY FOR THE COUNTIES THAT WISH TO DO THAT? I MEAN, IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER PASSED BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. I DO NOT KNOW THE SOLUTION AND I AM NO ATTORNEY BUT I KNOW THERE ARE THREE COUNTY TOTAL THAT ARE AGAINST THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IN THE EFFECT ON THE COUNTY. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ASK THEM TO CHANGE THAT AND PUT AN OPT OUT OPTION COMPLETELY ON COUNTIES WHO THINK IT IS NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THEM. THANK YOU.

>> SUZANNE CLUELOW. 1906. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THINGS TODAY. ONE IS THAT SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT -- A PARTICULAR HOME BUILDER THAT WE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING THEM AND MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT LET THEM BUILD HERE AND SO FORTH.

AND I AM DEFINITELY NOT ON BOARD WITH IT. WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMEBUILDERS HERE. MANY OF THEM ARE NATIONAL HOMEBUILDERS. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. OKAY? THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIKE THEIR PRODUCT. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD PROBLEMS. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY SATISFIED. I DON'T THINK THAT IS WITHIN THE PERVADES OF THIS BOARD TO MAKE THOSE KIND DETERMINATIONS ON WHAT A PERSON SHOULD PURCHASE OR NOT AND FROM WHOM OR NOT. NOW, IN REGARDS TO THEM CARRYING THROUGH ON THEIR PROMISES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR US, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE RESEARCH DONE ON THAT TO SAY , IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, DO THEY CARRY THROUGH AND DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE PUTTING A SEAL OF APPROVAL ON BUILDERS. I

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[Commissioners’ Reports]

AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO IN OUR JUST GOING TO WAIT, BUT THEY SHOULD AT LEAST BE REQUIRED TO PUT SOME SORT OF GRASPING DOWN AND NOT LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. THAT BRINGS US TO COMMISSIONER REPORTS.

COMMISSIONER JOSEPH? >> S. REAL QUICK, I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE JUST SAID. IF THEY DO CLEAR-CUT IT BEFORE TIMELY BEFORE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, THAT WAS ONE MORE OF MY POINTS IN MY TREE. 14 POINTS. ANYWAY, I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES OF OUR NEW GARBAGE TRUCKS. THEY CAME TO MY TOWN HALL AND EVERYONE THERE COULD TAKE PICTURES. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN EVERYONE GETTING IN THE CAR AND TAKING PICTURES. WHAT IS REALLY UNIQUE ABOUT THE NEW GARBAGE TRUCKS. I CALLED THEM GARBAGE EQUIPMENT OR GARBAGE TRUCK? THEY ALSO TAKE CARDBOARD. SO WHEN THEY RECYCLE, THEY WILL ACTUALLY GET OUT OF THE CAR AND PICK UP THE CARDBOARD SO FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BREAK IT DOWN, LIKE ME, I AM TRYING TO BREAK IT DOWN, YOU WON'T HAVE IT MIXED IN WITH THE REGULAR GARBAGE. AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS WHEN I AM DRIVING AROUND AND I SEE CARS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TIED DOWN IN THE BACKS OF IT IN THE LETTERS FLYING EVERYWHERE, I DECIDED TO DO THE OPPOSITE SO WHENEVER I SEE A TRUCK TIED DOWN PROPERLY AND THEY HAVE A PHONE NUMBER ON THE CAR, AND I DID THAT ON MY WAY HERE. IT WAS GOT JUNK. I CALLED THEM AND SAID THANK YOU. I AM TRYING TO DO MY WORK SO IT CONTINUES AND ALL THE GARBAGE I SEE ON U.S. ONE IS NOT THERE AS MUCH. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>> COMMISSIONER ALAIMO? >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE VILLAGE AND WHAT COLONEL DUNKLEY SPOKE ABOUT IN HIS COMMENTS AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT ON AN AGENDA IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE APRIL 16TH MEETING. YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO

GET THAT ON THE AGENDA? >> ABSOLUTELY. GUESS. WE CAN DO THE APRIL 16TH MEETING.

AGAIN TO THE STAFF, CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING THE PARTS SQUARED AWAY. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND, NO, THAT IS NOT RINGING THAT DINNER BELLA SOME DIMENSION IN THEIR COMMENTS. IT IS ASSISTANCE FOR THE RESIDENCE THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO IT IS REALLY A GREAT THING. I KNOW COMMISSIONER THAT YOU WORK REALLY HARD ON THAT.

EVEN BEFORE I GOT ON THE BOARD I REMEMBER YOU TALKING ABOUT PARKS. JUST VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. IT IS A VERY GREAT

WIN FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I DO NOT HAVE A REPORT SO MUCH IS HOUSEKEEPING. THE PASCO COUNTY LAWSUIT. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. YOU MAY HAVE MISSED IT. BUT THE LAWSUIT IS CENTERED AROUND PROPOSING ONE OF THE TAX EXEMPTIONS. EVEN IF THEY WERE TO WIN THE LAWSUIT, THE PREVENTION WOULD NOT GO AWAY AND THAT IS WHY I WAS SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT SO THAT WE WOULD NOT OVERTURN THE PREEMPTION. JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION TO CONSIDER, AS

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FOR US AND THAT IS IT. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> NOW, I WANTED TO MENTION BECAUSE IT WAS JUST ON MY MIND, THAT IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO TODAY. APRIL 2ND, 1984, THAT I STARTED MY 17 YEAR GIG IN THE DISTRICT. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT DURING MY TIME AT THE DISTRICT, MYSELF AND MY STAFF AS HAD BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY ALONE, 16,000 ACRES OF FOREST AND WETLAND MARSHLAND. THEN THE COUNTY IS 430,000 ACRES. SO ABOUT 12% OF THE COUNTY I CAN TELL YOU IS AT LEAST A GUARANTEE. BECAUSE OF THE WORK

[County Administrator’s Report]

>> THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT WITH US. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO REPORT OTHER THAN I DO WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF. THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING THEIR TAILS OFF BETWEEN THIS PARKS INITIATIVE AND ALL OF OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETINGS. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GOING ABSENTLY ABOVE AND BEYOND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AS WE HAVE WRAPPED UP THE FIRST SIX. AND, FROM THERE, I GUESS

WE WILL GO WITH SANDERS. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO

[County Attorney’s Report]

>> MR. TAYLOR? >> THE COUNTY REPORT. HAD TO STEP OUT. THE BAL HARBOUR LITIGATION IS NOT SCHEDULED FOR A TRIAL UNTIL MID-NEXT YEAR, AND THEY WILL ONLY JUST NOW EXCHANGE THE FIRST ROUND OF DISCOVERY. SO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET A QUICK HEARING IN THAT CASE. YOU KNOW? NEVERTHELESS, WE WILL STILL GET A LOT THAT WILL COME OUT WITH THE GLITCH BILL AND WHETHER IT GETS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND THEN THE COUNTIES WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT I AM SURE. AT THE CONFERENCE DURING THE SUMMER. IF YOU NEED SOMETHING BEFORE THAT, STAFF WILL DO SOMETHING.

>> T

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