Mar 21, 2024 Planning and Zoning Agency

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TO GO AND CALLED HIS ORDER. IF YOU WOULD STAND AND SAY THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MR. PETER WILL YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT?

>> CERTAINLY. PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON -- BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. PUBLIC WILL SPEAK AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY WITH THE TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE -- SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT THE VERBATIM RECORD OF THE -- WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS OR STATEMENTS SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO A CLERK. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD, AGENCY, COMMITTEE OR THE COUNTY RELATED TO THAT. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT THAT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Agency Approval: 03/07/24]

>> THANK YOU. >> IN OUR PACKET, YOU HAVE MINUTES FROM MARCH 7TH, 2024. IS THERE A MOTION? A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? THAT MOTION PASSES. AND TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS YOUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. YOU CAN

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>> YES. I DID A SITE VISIT. >> IT IS ALL YOURS.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE ARE REQUESTING MAINSTREET SPECIALTY SHOPS ON A PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY ON MAIN STREET IN HASTINGS. WE ARE REQUESTING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR TWO SPECIALTY SHOPS WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING IN THE HASTINGS OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS RIGHT ON MAIN STREET IN THE SHADED AREA ADJACENT TO ONE OTHER BUILDING ON THE CORNER. FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE BELIEVE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CODING ERROR. THERE IS A LOT OF SPECULATION ON HOW IT HAPPENED. IN 2018, WHEN HASTINGS WAS DISSOLVED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TOOK OVER WITH EVERYTHING, SOMEHOW THIS PROPERTY GOT CODED IN AS RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPERTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMMERCIAL FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS. THEY HAVE GONE BACK AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE MAPS AND SPOKEN TO MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS. THE MORTUARY WAS THERE

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THEY USED IT AS A MEETING HALL AND BAR. PRIOR TO THAT HE WAS A NAPA AUTO PARTS. IT HAS BEEN A FURNITURE STORE. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMMERCIAL. IT HAS NEVER BEEN USED FOR RESIDENTIAL

BUSINESS. >> THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO RECALL. MY APOLOGIZE -- APOLOGIES. THE ZONING ON MAIN STREET IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL. THIS IS THE OVERHEAD OF THE PROPERTY ON THE AREA MAP. THIS IS THE OVERHEAD SURVEY WILL.

THERE IS PARKING ALL AROUND MAINSTREET. THEY HAVE INDIVIDUAL PARKING SPACES, MOST OF THEM AROUND MAINSTREET.

THIS BUILDING HERE. WE RECENTLY DOMINATED IT. NEW ELECTRICAL.

WE ADDED THE AWNINGS WITH TWO STOREFRONTS. THIS IS THE BACK AREA. WE DID ADD A FENCE TO PROVIDE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK AND THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATION. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO

ANSWER. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT THANK YOU FOR DOING SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN

HASTINGS. >> I APPRECIATE IT. WE HAVE BEEN VERY BLESSED BY THE STAFF, COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYONE. WE ARE REALLY GREAT THAT WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW EXCITED THEY ARE THAT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, IT IS GOING TO BE A COFFEE SHOP IN A BAKERY. IT IS EXCITING BECAUSE A PART OF THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM TELLS YOU THAT YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WHEN YOU GET TWO THINGS. ONE IS A PIZZA PLACE, THE OTHER IS A COFFEE

SHOP. SO WE ARE ON OUR WAY. >> I DID DRIVE OUT THERE, I HAVE NEVER BEEN DOWN TO MAIN STREET. I TOOK A ROAD TRIP. IT IS CUTE . YOU DID A GREAT JOB. I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

SEVERAL NEIGHBORS STOPPED AND SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I HAD CONVERSATIONS, THEY WERE VERY EXCITED, AS WELL. HAVING A PIZZA PLACE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. THAT IS EXCITING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE ONE FOR STAFF. PAGE SIX OF OUR REPORT, ARE THOSE

THE APPLICANT'S ANSWERS? >> FOR THE RECORD, MARIE COOLEY FOR MANAGEMENT. THOSE ANSWERS WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

IT IS PART OF THE CRITERIA TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TYPE OF

APPLICATION. >> ARE THOSE IN AGREEMENT ?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO

BECOME ITEM NUMBER ONE? >> MY NAME IS MARK. MY WIFE AND I OWN 115 STREET IN HASTINGS. OTHER PROPERTIES IN MAIN STREET. WE ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION . CURRENTLY WE ARE BUILDING AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING ON OUR LOT. SHOPS, EATERIES AND RESTAURANTS ON MAIN STREET WILL BE ESSENTIAL IN ATTRACTING NEW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE RECEIVED NOTICE THAT THE OWNERS WANT TO ALLOW SOME SPECIALTY SHOPS TO OPERATE ON THEIR PROPERTY ON MAIN STREET. WE ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR IN ALLOWING THESE SHOPS TO OPERATE. THE OWNERS HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB RENOVATING THE MAIN STREET PROPERTIES, ORGANIZING THE COMMITTEE TOWARDS INVESTING AND IMPROVING DOWNTOWN HASTINGS. HASTINGS IS AN INTERESTING LOCALE. THE POTATO CAPITAL OF FLORIDA.

SUPPLYING MOST OF THE PRODUCE TO THE HOTELS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. IT IS A GREAT STORY TO TELL WITH THE GREAT HISTORY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. VERY SUPPORTIVE IN HELPING HASTINGS GET BACK ON ITS FEET. THE NEW $5 MILLION LOTTERY ON MAIN

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? DENNIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY

MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO

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PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, MR. CORNETT ANY X PARTAKE?

>> I DID ASK FOR A SITE VISION IN THAT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNETT. HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. WITH ME TODAY, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT CONTEMPLATES ON ATLANTIC SELF STORAGE FACILITY TO HAVE A PROPERTY IS, A SHOPPING CENTER CONNECTED TO STORAGE ON BEHALF OF ASH PROPERTY IS. WHITFIELD, ANDERSON, GABLE BOGERT. WE HAVE THE FULL TEAM HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY WITH INTENT AND VISION FOR THIS PROJECT. TO ORIENT YOU. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 210, THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA. THERE IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS GONE ON IN THAT AREA. WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO ZERO IN ON WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. YOU CAN SEE HERE. I 95 COUNTY ROAD 210. TAKING AN AREA LOOK AT IT. GOING INTO THE HOSPITAL FACILITY. THERE IS OUR SITE PLAN. I THINK YOUR STAFF HAS DONE, BY THE WAY, THE COMMENT WAS SELENA ON THIS. SHE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF TRACKING THIS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MORE COMPLEX TASKS THAT YOUR STAFF HAS HAD TO DO. WHEN THEY HAVE AN OLDER PUD SINCE 87 THAT HAS BEEN MULTIPLIED MULTIPLE TIMES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN. THIS IS ONE THAT DID TAKE SOME EFFORT. I THINK THE STAFF REPORT HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF TRACKING THOSE THINGS AND IDENTIFYING WHAT THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE AND WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY. A QUICK PART TO LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN. WE HAVE THE SELF STORAGE BUILDING. THE INTERESTING THING, A LOT OF TIMES, SELF STORAGE BUILDINGS ARE SQUARED UP WITH ROADWAYS. THIS PUTS IT AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE FROM THE ROADWAY. THE SHOPPING CENTER WOULD GO ACROSS THE FRONT PART OF THE SITE. THE RETENTION POND WILL BE TOWARDS THE BACK. IT HAS EXCELLENT ACCESS DIRECTING FROM PAPPY ROAD, THE EXISTING ROAD ALREADY. WE WOULD ALSO CONTEMPLATE CENTRAL FOR RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THAT WILL PLAY OFF WITH 210. WE PUT A VISION UP THERE THAT IT IS REALLY UP TO COUNTY STAFF WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL ACCESS DIRECTLY TO THE SITE OR IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT AND THEN WE DO PROVIDE FOR POTENTIAL ACTIVITY TO DOLLAR GENERAL TO THE LEFT. LOOKING AT STAFF REVIEW, THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM STAFF REPORT. CG WOULD TYPICALLY ALLOW SELF STORAGE FACILITIES WITH THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS. ONE OF THE ORDINANCES SOME CONTRARY LANGUAGE IN IT.

YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT SELF STORAGE WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THIS PHASE, BUT I WILL COME BACK TO THAT AND SHOW YOU. IT IS ALL MIXED-USE IN THIS AREA. IT IS A HUGE AREA. OBVIOUSLY WE TALK ABOUT THE MAJOR CHANGE OF EYE 95 AND 210. YOU ARE TALKING

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THEN YOU HAVE GOT THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WITH THE CONCRETE PLANT THAT IS EXISTING. THE TWO BUILDINGS UNDERNEATH PARK WITH EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITIES.

LOOKING AT THE COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS THERE IS A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL, A LOT OF RETAIL WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER USES.

WE ARE ALREADY APPROVE -- APPROVED FOR THOSE USES. YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT HISTORY IS ALSO IN HERE. I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT EARLIER. SINCE 1987. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP FROM 1990, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE USES WITH COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE USES THE PORTION IN YELLOW IS WHAT IS KNOWN AS BADGER PERRY. WHAT HAPPENS ALONG THE PATH OF THIS PUD, THERE IS A TEXT. WE WOULD REDLINE AGAINST IT AND CONTINUE ON WITH THE SAME TEXT. FOR WHATEVER REASON WHEN IT CAME ALONG HE BASICALLY WROTE THEIR OWN PDT TEXT WITH SPECIALIZED CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR BADGER CREEK. YOU HAVE TWO FOR THE SAME PROJECT. CLEARLY PHASE ONE AND TWO ARE SEPARATE. SO, SORTING THAT OUT TOOK SOME EFFORT. ULTIMATELY, IT HAS BEEN DONE. THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT IN 2001 THAT WAS WHERE THEY ADDED THE PLAN. THAT IS A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE. 2005 IS WHERE YOU GOT PHASE ONE. THEN, PHASE THREE IS THE BLUE, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING ABOUT TODAY. TAKING A LOOK AT IT, THERE IS THE OVERALL PUD. THIS IS THE CONCRETE PLANT I WAS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT EARLIER. JUST BELOW THAT IS SELF STORAGE. THIS IS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE OLD-SCHOOL STYLE OF SELF STORAGE WITH THE ROLL UP DOORS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY PARK A VEHICLE IN IT. YOU COULD PARK A MOTORCYCLE OR A SMALL BOAT. DIRECT ACCESS. HEAVIER, LARGER ITEMS TIES. ON OUR SITE IT WOULD BE A MODERN SELF STORAGE FACILITY TRADITIONALLY, TYPICALLY, WHAT YOU WOULD ALWAYS SEE WITH SELF STORAGE FACILITIES WITH THIS PRODUCT. ACROSS THE STREET IS A SERIES OF STRIP MALLS. ALL KINDS OF USES. IF YOU NEEDED TO -- WITH YOUR LOGO, YOU COULD GO THERE AND HAVE THAT DONE.

BUSINESSES DOWN THERE INCLUDING A COFFEE SHOP. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM US IS A POOL FACILITY. IT IS NOT YOUR NORMAL POOL SALES AND CENTER. IT IS ALMOST INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USE WHERE YOU CAN SELECT EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE. IT IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. JUST TO THE EAST OF IT SITE -- NEXT TO US, THIS IS WHAT DOLLAR GENERAL LOOKS LIKE. THE ONE THING TO NOTE HERE. THE REASON I INCLUDED THIS PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ACCESS POINT IS TO DOLLAR GENERAL WHERE YOU CAN CUT IT OFF AT THE MAIN ROAD GOING INTO THE HOUSE WILL. WITH CONNECTIVITY IT WILL BE THE CENTER FOR CONNECTIVITY ALL THE

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INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AFTER USE. DOESN'T THAT MEAN WE ARE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF TRIPS? IT IS REALLY A TRADE-OFF BETWEEN THE TYPE OF TRIPS FOR A RETAIL OFFICE VERSE THE TYPE OF TRIPS FOR RETAIL OFFICE. I WILL JUST SHOW YOU ONE OTHER THING.

THE EXISTING PUD VERSUS PROPOSED PUD. IT PUTS THE NUMBERS TO GENERAL OFFICE, SHOPPING CENTER. IT IS A REDUCTION OF 13,500 SQUARE FEET. THAT REALLY REDUCES -- SOIL, RIGHT CONDITIONS. THERE IS NOTHING THERE THAT WOULD IMPROVE DEVELOPMENT. FOR UTILITIES, -- THE LOCKS ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SITE AT 210. IN FACT, I JUST WANT TO FILL IN THE BLANK. AS WE LOOK AT THE AREA, WE DON'T SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THIS AREA. I WILL BLOW THAT UP TO WHERE YOU CAN REALLY TAKE A LOOK. THIS IS WHAT IS NEXT TO US. WE SAW THE TRIANGLE TO THE RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT IS NEXT TO US. WE WILL PUT IN SOME COLOR. SEE THERE IS HOTEL ROOM USE THAT IS PROPOSED. THERE ARE APARTMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS A MEDICAL RESTAURANT, RETAIL, RESTAURANT. THERE IS A HOSPITAL SITE. THERE IS THE DOLLAR GENERAL SITE. EXCUSE ME. THAT IS THE DOLLAR GENERAL. MY APOLOGIES. PERSONALLY, I PREPARE -- PREFER TRACTOR SUPPLY MUCH MORE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT MISSTATEMENT. YOU CAN SEE PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE CONCRETE PLANT AND THE SELF STORAGE. TO THE SOUTH IS OUR TOWNSEND WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER. IT FILLS IT IN, GIVES YOU COMPARISONS, AS WELL THAT ARE AROUND US. GIVING YOU CONTEXT OF WHAT THIS MAY LOOK LIKE. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU WONDER, IS THAT WHAT THEY ARE REALLY GOING TO DO? IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN JUST DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK AT THESE LOCATIONS. U.S. ONE NORTH. YOU CAN VERY QUICKLY SEE WHAT THE LOCATION LOOKS LIKE. 210 WEST, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE SHOPPING CENTERS LOOK LIKE. THIS WILL HAVE A LOOK AND A FEEL TO IT THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH IF YOU SEE ONE OF THE LOCATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE TYPICAL DESIGN OF WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING. THE RESTAURANT LAYOUT IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD. SEE THIS TO THE SELF STORAGE PROBLEM WITH THAT USE BEING INTEGRATED TOGETHER IN THE SITE. AGAIN, THAT SITE THEM, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SELF ORIGIN IS A SQUARED UP. IT IS JUST A GREAT SITE. I WILL STOP TALKING AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I'M GLAD HE WENT OVER THE HEIGHT . I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO NOT. I WAS GOING TO YOU ABOUT THE RATIO FOR THIS. I DON'T RECALL BEING IN OUR PACKET. MAYBE I MISSED IT. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RATIO FOR SELF STORAGE? DOES IT FACTOR

INTO OUR DECISION-MAKING? >> I GUESTS THE QUICK PART OF THAT IS WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY VARIANCE, WAIVER, OR CHANGE OF COVERAGE.

>> I THINK I CAN TELL YOU THE EXACT NUMBERS IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A SECOND. MY COMPUTER TURNED OFF . I HAD IT PULLED UP.

>> DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHAT IT IS?

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>> I WAS TRYING TO TELL YOU THE PRECISE NUMBER. I KNOW WE ARE UNDER THE LIMITS. AS ESTABLISHED BY THE PUD.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ACCORDING TO THE PUD, THE MAX RATIO WHICH IS IN LINE WITH THE MAIN USE.

>> YOU HAVE HAD OTHERS COME IN HERE AT 120.

>> THE ONLY WAY THAT IS POSSIBLE WITH ALL OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, THOSE WERE FOR AMENDMENTS TO CHANGE THEM. THIS

ONE DOESN'T HAVE THAT. >> I APPRECIATE IT.

>> YES SIR. >> YES SIR. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO YOUR WAIVER REQUEST WITH THE BUFFERING. I DID NOT REMEMBER HEARING THAT.

>> ORIGINALLY WHEN YOU GO BACK TO WHEN IT WAS APPROVED AND YOU HAVE USES NEXT TO HOUSES. IT WAS O.R. ZONING. SO, BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THE HISTORY, YOU CAN SEE IT IT IS AN 87 TIMEFRAME. EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THIS PROJECT WAS RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS A NUMBER OF HOMES IN THE AREA IN THAT ENTIRE FOUNTAINS PROJECT. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU HAD TO HAVE AN INCOMPATIBILITY BUFFER. NOW YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT BUFFER BECAUSE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO COMMERCIAL.

PUD NEXT TO PUD. SO, 10 FEET SEEMED APPROPRIATE. WE CAN'T SEE OF A REASON THAT THERE WOULD BE CONFLICT ON TOP OF THAT. JUST WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS DRAWING YOU SEE THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT ON THEIR SIDE -- TWO PROJECTS. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE ON THAT SIDE, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER IS THE CONSERVATION AREA WITH A RETENTION POND. SO THERE IS STILL A BIG AMOUNT OF SEPARATION.

>> ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY?

>> WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES ALONG THE FRONT.

>> I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE GENERAL PUD WITH THE WRITING OF THE PUD. I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER THE SAME SET OF RULES. IN THE 2000 PUD DOCUMENT THAT SELENA DID, EXCELLENT JOB RESEARCHING THIS. I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR HER. THEY HAD A NOISE REDUCTION THAT ANY PRODUCTION WOULD BE WITHIN A CLOSED BUILDING FOR THE FACTORY. THEN THE NEW LANGUAGE MIGHT JUST BE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE HAS CHANGED. BUT IT IS A SUBJECTIVE THING, MAKE SURE IT IS QUIET. ALL MANUFACTURING PROCESSES SHALL BE CONDUCTED WITHIN ENCLOSED BUILDINGS. NO AERIAL DISPERSION SHALL BE ALLOWED WITHOUT SUCH PERMITS AS THEY ARE REQUIRED FROM TIME TO TIME -- ITEM C, PROCESS PRODUCING NOISE SHOULDP BARRIERS SO THAT THE SOUND LEVELS DO NOT EXCEED ST. JOHNS COUNTY NOISE ORDINANCE, AS IT MAY BE ATTENDED FROM TIME TO TIME.

>> SOME DECIBEL TABLES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE 2000 PUD DOCUMENTS. I WAS JUST WONDERING. I DO UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T GO BY THE DECIBEL RIGHT NOW. IT IS REALLY LOUD. I WAS THERE, NOW THAT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL BEHIND YOU. THE MULTIFAMILY WRITE DOWN PAPPY ROAD. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE OTHER PEOPLE, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT LANGUAGE COULD BE INCLUDED, MAYBE JUST FOR A LESS SUBJECTIVE. THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I AM NOT

ASKING YOU, I GUESTS. >> MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THAT IS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WE DID NOT SEE HOW WE COULD MAKE A

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THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM RELATED TO OUR SIDE. AS TO THEIR SIDE, THEY ARE A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL CONCRETE PLANT.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THERE P U.P., THE LANGUAGE IS ARCHAIC. IT IS ALL SORTED FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

THE LANGUAGE IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE SAYS IT OVERRIDES EVERY OTHER ORDINANCE PREVIOUS TO ITS ADOPTION TO AVOID THE CONFLICT. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE A CONFLICT BETWEEN LANGUAGE IN THIS PUD. THE COUNTY, WHEN IT ADOPTED IT, IT MADE A DECISION THAT I DID NOT CARE WHAT WAS IN OTHER ORDINANCES.

THEORETICALLY, IT SHOULD HELP YOU WITH THIS PROBLEM ACROSS

THE BOARD. >> OKAY. I HAVE ONE COMMENT.

THERE ARE TREES. I KNOW NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THAT. THERE ARE TREES AND I LIKE TREES. THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD WAS YOUR REQUEST OF SUCH A LARGE INCREASE IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT LOOKS LIKE CONFLICTING LANGUAGE THAT WE MIGHT ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT IN A STORAGE FACILITY. A STORAGE FACILITY THAT IS THIS MANY SQUARE FEET. IT IS PRETTY

VAGUE. >> THAT IS THE NORM -- HUNDRED AND FIVE, HUNDRED AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET AREA OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS IT IS IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AROUND THE STATE TO LOOK. I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO NORTH FLORIDA WITH WHAT IS THERE BECAUSE I HAVE IN THE PAST REPRESENTED OTHER SELF STORAGE COMPANIES, AS WELL. THIS IS THE NORMAL. YOU HAVE

TO HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. >> I LIKE THE WAY IT IS CONFIGURED VERY MUCH. JUST ONE THAT CAME IN. I LIKE HOW THAT

IS CONFIGURED ON THE SIDE. >> YOU HEARD ME SAY THIS FOR.

IT IS INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY OF CONVENIENCE STORES AND WE LOOK AT HOW NICE CONVENIENT DOORS ARE TODAY.

THE EXPOSED BLOCK AS CHEAP AS YOU CAN BUILD IT. IT IS BUILT NICE. THAT IS SELF REGULATED BY THE INDUSTRY IF YOU DECIDE THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. I THINK THE SAME THING IS WITH SELF STORAGE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERY PRODUCT THEY HAVE BEEN BUILDING, THEY ARE BECOMING NICER AND NICER WITH THAT INTEGRATED ARCHITECTURE BETWEEN THE TWO AND THEN CONTINUING TO DO. IT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE THINK OF THE NORM 10 YEARS

AGO. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? GREAT. CAN YOU

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? >> CHARLIE HUNT . MORE SPECIFICALLY, 51-31 SILO ROAD. HONESTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THE DAY COMES THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY THE MOST STORAGE FACILITY PER CAPITA THAN ANY OTHER COUNTY.

THIS IS A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING AND A MASSIVE BUILDING. THAT IS WHAT IT IS GETTING TO BE LIKE WITH THESE BIG INDUSTRIES COMING IN AND IT FALLS BACK ON THE OVERDEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST STORAGE FACILITY I HAVE SEEN WITH A SHOPPING PLAZA NEXT TO IT. WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING ABOUT THE NEW STYLE, UP TO DATE, MODERN FACILITIES ON STATE ROAD 16 SLIGHTLY ACROSS FROM THE VA LONG-TERM NURSING FACILITY THE STORAGE FACILITY BUILT RIGHT THERE. OKAY? IT WAS BUILT IN TWO MONTHS BECAUSE IT IS ALL PREMADE, CUT SHEET METAL. NOTHING AS FANCY OR AS GLORIOUS AS THIS. THAT IS WHAT IT IS COMING DOWN TO. THEN THE COST, THE OVERHEAD, THE

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>> 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE THIS PROJECT. I THINK MR. BURNETT DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF PRESENTING THE CONTEXT OF THIS PROJECT IN THE SURROUNDINGS WITH AN OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION. THERE IS ASH DEVELOPMENT. THAT INCLUDES THE TYPES OF EATING FACILITIES AND STORAGE FACILITIES. IT REALLY IS QUITE ATTRACTIVE, I HAVE TO SAY. I MIGHT NOT HAVE LIKED A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BUT SEEING THE FINAL RESULTS, IT IS IMPRESSIVE. MY WIFE AND I GO THERE AND HAVE ITALIAN FOOD ALL THE TIME. SO I AM ALSO A RETIRED ARCHITECT AND I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT WHOEVER THEY ARE USING AS THEIR ARCHITECT IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. EVEN THE PRESENTATION HERE TODAY SOLD THE PROJECT, IF YOU WILL.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ARCHITECT FOR THAT. I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. IT DOES SEEM TO MAKE SENSE WITH WHAT WE NEED TO SEE. TOLD US WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR AND SHOWN US TO SEE THE

CORRECT FIT. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING NONE.

>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING IN REBUTTAL UNLESS

THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS. >> MOTION? GREG MATOVINA?

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MODIFICATION 2023 -- COMMERCIAL BASED FUND AND THE STAFF REPORT.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK WITH THE SECOND.

>> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT COUNTY ROAD 210 AND I-95.

THAT AREA BECAME FAIRLY RURAL ON THE HIGHWAY. NOW TO NEARLY INSTANT URBANIZATION. I AM NOT SURE WHAT ELSE HE CAN YOU -- DO IN THIS AREA TO MAKE IT MORE URBAN. GIVING THE HEIGHT OF WHAT IS AROUND AND THE USES THAT ARE THERE ALREADY. THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC UP THERE. THAT PORTION IS GOING TO BE, I BELIEVE, SIX LANES. THE COMMISSIONER SPEARHEADED THAT TO GET THAT MOVING. NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE A VERY HARD TIME VOTING FOR THIS WITH SELF STORAGE IN GENERAL. BUT I'M

GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ONE. >> JUDY SPIEGEL?

>> MAYBE ONE DAY I WILL BECOME AS NUANCED AS THIS FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS ARE. I SEE THE DEVELOP HER -- DEVELOPER IS

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>> ANYONE ELSE? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES, 5-1. >> THANK YOU.

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>> ON TWO ITEM NUMBER THREE. MISS TAYLOR, ANNIE X PARTAKE -- AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, KAREN TAYLOR. CAMERON SMITH IS WITH ME. HE IS HERE TO HELP ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. IF THERE IS SOMETHING I CAN'T ANSWER. I AM HERE FOR THE ST.

MARK'S INDUSTRIAL PARK PUD. THIS IS A REZONING WHICH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. IT IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING BUT WE CALL IT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO A PUD FOR THE SAME KIND OF USES.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL LOCATION THIS IS PRETTY FAR OUT, I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE ARE SITTING RIGHT IN HERE. THIS IS U.S. ONE, VALENCIA, INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND THIS IS ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT NEAR 95. OF COURSE, IN BETWEEN ALL OF THAT IS THE 12 MILE CONSERVATION AREA. SO, GETTING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF I GP AND IT IS A LONG ST. MARK'S POND BOULEVARD.

THIS IS THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT WAS APPROVED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. THEN THERE IS ALSO OTHER INDUSTRIAL TYPE PIECES IN THIS GENERAL AREA. THEN YOU GET TO U.S. ONE AND THEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT TO THE SOUTH IS PART OF A MITIGATION BANK AND THIS IS ALL 12 MILE ABOVE THIS. SO JUST A CLOSE UP LOOK WITH THE CLOSEST AREA WE HAVE FROM THE TIME PERIOD IT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT THEN IF YOU ENDED UP GOING BY THIS SITE. WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE TAKING THIS PORTION OUT OF THE GENERAL SITE PLAN FOR THE WHOLE INDUSTRIAL PARK. THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT WHICH WE WILL GET INTO. SO, IT IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT AND AGAIN, IT IS ADJACENT TO THE OTHER USES AND IT HAS GOT THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE. YOU CAN SEE THAT IS ONE OF OUR BIG INDUSTRIAL AREAS FOR THE AREA AND THEN THERE IS ALSO MIXED-USE, WHICH INCLUDES ALL OF THE VALENCIA TYPE THINGS. IT WAS ALSO PART OF AN OLD PRD. THIS WAS PART OF AN OLD PRD, AS WELL. IT IS COMMERCIAL FOR A CAMPGROUND. ZONING AND SOME OF THE USES ARE WITHIN THE PUD. THIS ONE HAS THE ZONING. THERE IS ZONING ALONG U.S. ONE. THERE IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND ONE OF THESE PUD'S HAS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES. SO, THE REQUEST IS TO RE-ZONE THE 7.43 ACRES IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THAT 25.85 ACRE INDUSTRIAL PARK. THAT WAS IMPROVED IN 2018 WITH THE AMENDMENT AND A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWED FOR 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES WITH UP TO 57,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL PARKS FOR A TOTAL OF 150,000 SQUARE FEET OR UP TO 200,000 OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. SO, IT WAS DETERMINED TO HAVE A MIX USES BACK AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. IT WAS REMOVED FROM A PRD WITH 100 RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL. SO, THEY CONSTRUCTED FOUR BUILDINGS WITH 48,000 SQUARE FEET ON THAT SOUTH PORTION. AND THE RETENTION FOR THE WHOLE SITE ON THIS BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT. THE PROPERTY BECAME TOO VALUABLE TO KEEP IT AS PART OF IT. SO, IT DOES MERELY FOR INDUSTRIAL USES AND SOME THINGS LIKE COMMERCIAL RECREATION WAS APPROVED FOR THAT. THE KARATE STUDIOS, DANCE STUDIOS. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE SPECIAL USE WITH THE ZONING VARIANCE IN 2020. THESE BUILDINGS HAVE A WAREHOUSE LOOK WITH THE FRONT TRUCK ACCESS AND PARKING WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE. THEY NOW HAVE AN IDEA FOR THE GP.

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SO, REALLY THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO TAKE THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING CATEGORY THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. BETTER TO FIND SOME OF THOSE. WE FOUND THAT IT IS OFTEN DIFFICULT. THE SPECIAL USES BY RIGHT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH. IN SOME CASES, IT ALLOWS WORSE USES THAT ARE ALLOWABLE BUT THEY ARE NOT LISTED OR NOT DEFINED. FOR INSTANCE, BUSINESS AND COMMERCE PARK IS AN ALLOWED USE BUT THERE IS NO DEFINITION FOR IT. WHAT THOSE USE CATEGORIES WOULD BE. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT WANTS TO DO AN INDOOR OUTDOOR DOG PARK. THAT IS AN ALLOWED USE, WE HAVE ALLOWED THAT BEFORE, BUT IT IS NOT LISTED AS A SPECIAL USE. SO, I JUST INCLUDED A.. WE DON'T HAVE TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THEM. BUT THE ORIGINAL ZONING DID SAY THIS FOR BUSINESS, RESEARCH, LIGHT ASSEMBLY OPERATIONS. THEY HAVE INDUSTRIAL TO THE SOUTH AND IT IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE BUSINESS PARKS OR ALONG PHILLIPS HIGHWAY WHERE THE MOVIE THEATER IS. THE PLAN ALSO HAS A DEFINITION FOR IT, BUT IT DID NOT MAKE IT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT. SO IT HAS A THING BUT IT WOULD ALLOW ALL OF THESE OTHER USES UNDER THAT IF IT WAS A BUSINESS AND COMMERCE PART OF IT. UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL, GENERAL, HIGH-INTENSITY, COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY. ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT REGIONAL BUSINESS. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING ANY OF THOSE. SO, AGAIN, FOR THE 57,000 BUSINESS AND OFFICE PARK. AS THE TIME IT CAME THROUGH FOR THE AMENDMENT IN THE REZONING, WE DID ADDRESS THE PROJECT IMPACTS OF THAT.

AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO DO A WHOLE THING OF THAT. 57,000 SQUARE FEET IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO DO A WHOLE PARK. THAT IS WHERE WE CAME TO SORTING THIS OUT. WE ARE OCCLUDING OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE BASE THEN, WE ARE ASKING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SPECIAL USES WITHOUT HAVING TO COME IN FOR A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE DOG PARKS, RESTAURANTS, MICROBREWERIES. INDOOR AND OUTDOOR RECREATION AND SOME OF THESE THINGS A SWITCH FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING. SOME OF THEM WERE HERE WHEN WE DID THE LAST ONE.

WE HAD TO SPECIFY CERTAIN UNITS. WHEN ONE CHANGE, YOU HAD TO COME BACK. IT MAKES IT A BIT COMPLICATED. WE ALSO ELIMINATED THE LIST OF UNDESIRABLE OR UNREALISTIC PIECES. RV CAMPGROUNDS, PORTS, MARINAS, VEHICLE RECYCLING FACILITIES.

THE COMPOSTING AND OTHER YARD WASTE FACILITIES THAT WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WITH THOSE ISSUES. THOSE ARE USES ALL ALLOWED RIGHT NOW. WE GOT RID OF THOSE, AS WELL. I AM NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE IN THE STAFF REPORT. THIS IS IN MY APPLICATION. IT IS LISTED IN THE PUD TEXT. IT COVERS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ONES. THOSE THAT ARE GENERALLY BY RIGHT. THEN WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR SPECIAL USE, AS WELL. THE NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC AND EMERGENCY SERVICE IN GENERAL. THOSE ARE ALSO IN THE CATEGORY. SO WE INCLUDED SOME OF THOSE AND ELIMINATED A FEW OF THOSE. THOSE THAT ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. THE

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PARKING MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING. WE HAVE 291 SPACES.

138 ARE REQUIRED. THEY FOUND WHEN THEY DID THE BEGINNING PART OF THIS, THAT IS KIND OF HOW THEY DID IT. WHEN YOU DO ADD THINGS LIKE THE DANCE STUDIOS IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OR THE CHURCHES THAT SOMETIMES GO INTO THESE, THEY REQUIRE MORE PARKING. SO THEY DOUBLED UP ON THAT. FOR THE HEIGHTS, WE LIMITED THAT TO BE 40 FEET. ANYTHING OVER 35 FEET WOULD REQUIRE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM. THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, AS WELL.

THIS IS KIND OF JUST TO SHOW SOME AREAS WITH WETLAND IMPACT.

THERE WAS A PERMIT AND APPROVED, AS WELL. .38 ACRES.

AS I MENTIONED THAT WAS THE AREA TOO. THE SETBACKS ARE GENERALLY 15 FEET FROM FRONT, SIDE, REAR. FOR PUD, THIS CHANGES TO BUILDINGS, PARKING, STORAGE FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE SETBACKS. SO, WE HAVE SOME WAIVERS INCLUDED IN THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS DESIGNED PRIOR TO IT. I WILL EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. BASICALLY, THE WAIVERS HAVE TO DO WITH IDP, WHICH STARTED WITH A 30 FOOT BUFFER AND THEN DURING THIS PROCESS THE COUNTY DETERMINED THAT THEY NEEDED A 14 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION, AS WELL. SO WE TOOK THAT OUT. SO, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOWN TO HE A 15 FOOT BUFFER, INSTEAD. ALONG ST.

MARKS, NORMALLY A LONG IW, WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS AN EIGHT FOOT SETBACK. AGAIN, WHEN THAT SETBACK CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE, IT CHANGES TO PARKING, AS WELL AS DRIVE MILES AND ALL OF THAT. THE BUILDING COULD MEAN ALL OF THOSE IN EITHER CASE BUT THE FACILITIES CAN'T. THE WAIVERS ON THE BUFFERS, OBVIOUSLY HERE IS WHERE A BUFFER WOULD GO THROUGH THE RETENTION POND. ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO NOT BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT IN PARTICULAR. AGAIN. BACK HERE AND ALONG HERE. SO, JUST TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THAT TABLE. THAT WAS THE 15 FEET. SO, BASICALLY, THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY RESERVATION TOOK THAT OUT. THE 15 FEET ALONG THAT. DENMARK'S PONDS, AGAIN, THOSE SETBACKS. A REDUCTION OF 12 FEET TO GET THE CODE TO TAKE IT TO EIGHT FEET. EIGHT FEET ALONG. PERIMETER BUFFER, LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REQUIRED ON THE LDC BUT THAT CHANGES TO 10 FEET WHEN YOU GO INTO A PUD.

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MARK'S POND BOULEVARD. EVENTUALLY, IT WILL BE A COMMON AREA ENTRANCE. IT IS RIGHT ACROSS. IF YOU COME UP THE ROAD, THIS IS WHERE THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE LOOKING BACK AT THAT PARTICULAR ENTRANCE. ACROSS FROM US IS BRONZE BOROUGH WAY. THAT ALREADY HAS INDUSTRIAL USE. THAT IS ACROSS FROM THIS PARK. THEN GOING THE OTHER WAY, YOU CAN SEE THE INTERSECTION WITH IDP AND YOU CAN SEE THE PUBLIC TRUCKS GOING BECAUSE THERE IS A LANDFILL DOWN THE ROAD. KIND OF THE EAST SIDE STARTING THAT BUILDING. AGAIN, GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF THAT BUILDING AND IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING. THIS IS FROM THE SITE THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THE PUD ON THAT PACKET OF THE INDUSTRIAL PART. THEY ARE OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE. THAT WILL BE OPERATED THE SAME. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSE-UP OF THAT INTERSECTION. WE TRY TO GET SOME PICTURES OF THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT IS GOING UP RIGHT NOW.

>> YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO BE I GP, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON I GP. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PAD HAS BEEN POURED FOR THE SECOND BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TURN LANES COMING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS FOR ST. MARK'S POND BOULEVARD.

SO, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL IS A COMPLEMENTARY TYPE USE AND FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IT IS EVEN COMPATIBLE IN THE WAY THAT IT IS ORGANIZED. IN THIS CASE, THE PUD REALLY HELPS CLARIFY THOSE KINDS OF USES THAT CAN BE USED IN THIS PARK.

MANY, LIKE I SAID, -- SOME INCLUDE THE BALANCE OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, AS WELL AS THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. JUST COMPATIBILITY, TOO. JUST TO MAKE A NOTE. I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN WHEN I GET TO THE END.

WHEN I WAS DOING MY PRESENTATION AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER, I REALIZE I DID NOT CHANGE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE COMPATIBILITY SECTION OF THE TECH. SO, I AM WITH A PLANNER AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT. SO, I WILL BE ASKING YOU TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT THAT WE WILL CHANGE THAT TO MAKE IT. IT WAS WHEN THERE WAS STILL A 30 FOOT BUFFER ALONG I GP AND STUFF. I WILL SHOW YOU RIGHT BEFORE WE DO THE ROAD. SO AGAIN, THERE IS ALL THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS INCLUDING THE LANDFILL THERE IS ALSO THE CONSERVATION AREAS AND IT REALLY DISTURBS A LOT OF THAT. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA. THE ADJUSTED THINGS AND IT WILL PROVIDE FOR THAT WITH THE 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH THAT RETENTION AREA ON THE TYPICAL LANGUAGE OUT OF THE COMPATIBILITY SECTION WITH ANY OTHER REASONABLE COMPATIBILITY IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AND THE

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SAFETY OR WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OR VISITORS TO THE AREA AND COMPATIBLE WITH THAT. SO, WE FEEL LIKE THE USES WILL BE COMPATIBLE IN THESE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THIS IS ONLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST INDUSTRIAL AREAS IN THE COUNTY.

SO, I HAVE THREE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO STIPULATE ON THIS BY REQUESTING APPROVAL. GET IN JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. SO, THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE WAIVER OF THE RIGHTS FOR THE LOCAL ACT. THAT IS NOT IN THE PUD AND I TALKED TO THE STAFF. THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE, WAVING OUR RIGHT TO THAT. IN THE TWO SECTIONS, IF YOU READ THIS IN THE TEXT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT IS SHE TALKING ABOUT? AGAIN, THE FIRST ONE WAS BEFORE SOME OF THOSE OTHER CHANGES WERE MADE AND I MISSED CHANGING THEM WITH THE MODIFICATIONS. SO, I WILL SUBMIT THIS AND ASK YOU TO -- IN YOUR MOTION. SO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE ARE REQUESTING RECOMMENDATION.

>> YES, HI. MY QUESTION, EXCUSE ME, IS REGARDING THE BUFFER.

YOU HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ON PAGE NINE FOR THE PUD THAT SAYS YOU MAY CONSIDER ADDITIONAL PERIMETER BUFFERING, ENHANCED BUFFERING AND SCREENING. IT IS A LITTLE BIT JARRING. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE STANDARD PINE TREES THAT GOT REMOVED BECAUSE IT WAS WET OR SOMETHING. THAT IS HOW I READ IT. I JUST WONDERED IF YOU MAY USE IT OR YOU WOULD USE IT. IT IS NICE THAT THE BUILDING IS BACK. THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT TO COMMIT TO USING THE ENHANCED SCREENING, I LIKE THAT IDEA.

>> YES. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT , AT ALL. WE WANT TO MEMORIALIZE THAT WHEN WE MAKE THE OTHER CHANGES, AS WELL. IT IS LESS THAN IT WAS GOING TO BE. SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO STAY. THE RESERVED RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ALWAYS LIKE WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT? SO, IT COULD PROBABLY BE GRASS. YOU CAN SEE THE

SIDEWALK AREA AND THE GRASS. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU COULD MAKE IT AS NICE AS POSSIBLE. THE RETENTION POND, YOU ARE REQUESTING NO BUFFER AT ALL. WILL YOU PLANT GRASSES OR ANYTHING? IT IS AN AREA THAT WILL BE VISIBLE.

>> ON THE PERIMETER BUFFER YOU NEED TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AS THE PICTURE SHOWED, IT IS REALLY GOING TO LOOK JUST LIKE

THIS. >> YEAH. SO, JUST MAKE IT LOOK

NICE. >> IT WILL LOOK LIKE THE OTHER

ONE DOES. >> OKAY. MY THIRD QUESTION, THERE IS A LITTLE PARCEL OFF TO THE WEST. THE WRITING WAS SO

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USES AFTER THE BUILDINGS -- >> YEAH. THAT WOULD BE PARTICULARLY SOMETHING LIKE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA IN

HERE. >> YES.

>> WE ALLOW THAT FOR OTHER USES BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR DOG PARK WITH COMMERCIAL RECREATION THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT DO BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE SO IF APPEALED IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> YOU ARE NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING WITH STORAGE.

NO CONCRETE? THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NONE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE ON THE ITEM TO SPEAK ON ITEM THREE? IF SO, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. IF THE 131 SILO ROAD. SHORT AND SWEET.

AREAS ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIMETER WITH EXISTING STORM WATER POND REQUIREMENTS WITH NATURAL LANDSCAPE PERIMETER WILL BE ELIMINATED. ST. MARK'S POND BOULEVARD REQUIRES A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER TO BE REDUCED TO EIGHT FOOT. MINIMUM NATURAL LANDSCAPE PRINTER BUFFER. ALSO, THE ELIMINATION OF 15 FOOT SETBACK ALONG PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE WHICH ABUTS TO THE EXISTING STORM WATER POND.

MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS IS BEING BUILT NOW, WHICH IT IS. I WENT BY IT THIS MORNING. WHO DID THE PLANS UP TO PUT IT THERE AND THEN REQUEST ALL THESE SETBACKS AND ILLUMINATIONS ON THE PLANS. I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, MANY TIMES OF PUTTING THE PLAN IN. THE PLAN GETS ADJUSTED OR APPROVED JUST THROUGH THE PCA AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. WE WILL FIGURE OUT LATER ON, OH YEAH, WE NEED A FIRST CHANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT? THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW IT HAPPENS. IF THAT FACILITY WAS ALREADY PLANNED AND IT SHOWS MARCH 11TH, 2020 WITH PLAN APPLICATION THAT WAS RECEIVED AND SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED. SO, HOW IS IT NOW TWO YEARS LATER AND THEY ARE PUTTING IN FOR CHANGES ON THE SETBACK. DID THEY NOT KNOW IT? WERE THEY UNAWARE OF THE SETBACKS? NO. WE WILL GET THIS APPROVED THE WAY IT SHOULD BE AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND PUT IN FOR SLIGHT CHANGES SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT ON OUR OVERALL PLAN. IF YOU CAN'T DO IT THE FIRST TIME, WHY DO YOU NEED TO COME BACK AND TRY TO GET IT DONE TWO YEARS AFTERWARDS? THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THAT IS A GOOD EXPLANATION OR EXAMPLE OF HAVING IT HERE. IF WE CAN JUST GET IT GOING AND WE WILL COME BACK AND MAKE A CHANGE. TWO YEARS LATER. THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO USE IT ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? ANY

RESPONSE? >> GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY.

WHEN THE FIRST DID THIS, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE SITE PLAN . THEY WERE CONTEMPLATING A PUD. THE WAIVERS THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR ALL RELATE TO REQUIREMENT THAT ARE IN A PUD.

WE HAD WATCHED THE OTHER ONE GO THROUGH AND I WAS GETTING ALL OF THESE CALLS . IS THIS ALLOWED IN HERE, IS THIS ALLOWED IN HERE? HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS ALLOWED? THAT IS IN ME DETERMINED WHERE THEY DETERMINED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THAT IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY FOLLOWED THE RULES IN 2020 AND IT WASN'T UNTIL A LITTLE BIT AFTER 2022. IT WASN'T UNTIL LATER, LET'S TRY IT THROUGH THIS. IT WILL BE A LOT MORE CLEAR. ANY

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QUESTIONS? >> QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR EMOTION. GREG MATOVINA?

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ST. MARK'S INDUSTRIAL

PARK -- >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR

APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? >> WELL, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I HAVE SEEN HIM AT COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS BEFORE AND I AM GLAD HE IS COMING TO THE PCA MEETINGS. I WISH THERE WAS MORE OF A BUFFER ALONG IGP, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED THE EXTRA 14 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THE REST OF IT ABUTS OTHER INDUSTRIAL PARK USES. SO, I CAN GET OVER THAT. I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT IS LOCATED IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. IT IS A GOOD UTILIZATION OF THAT AREA WITH IT BEING LOCATED THERE. I WILL SUPPORT THE ITEM.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT . KEISHA DID SOME REALLY GOOD RESEARCH ABOUT THAT CAMPGROUND SITE NEXT TO YOU, AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A CAMPGROUND IN THIS APPLICATION.

JUST SO YOU KNOW. >> GREG MATOVINA?

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. THE PERMIT WAS PULLED WHEN THIS WAS ZONED, THOSE BUFFERS WEREN'T REQUIRED. IT WASN'T UNTIL THE PERMIT WAS PULLED AND THAT WAS ALLOWED AT THE TIME. WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON IS TO ALLOW THESE ORIGINAL USES WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN OR US TO TURN THIS DOWN AND USE THE BUILDING ACCORDING TO -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. THE BUILDING WAS PERMITTED IN ACCORDANCE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME IT WAS PERMITTED.

>> OKAY. -- IW. NOW WE HAVE THAT SMALL PARCEL THAT IS ABUTTING -- THAT

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WAS SHARED AS A GREATER PARCEL. >> THANK YOU. ANYTHING FROM STAFF? ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOTION FOR THE VOTE.

THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. LET'S GO TO THE OTHER END. I LIVE AT 1511 ST. MARK'S POND BOULEVARD. MY WIFE JULIE, MY SON JUST AND THE GRANDBABY AND MY DAUGHTER IS IN THE CROWD WITH US. -- WE ARE ASKING FOR A SMALL SCALE ■ COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION ARE ASKED TO ARE A AND IT LIMITS THE PROPERTY TO A MAXIMUM OF

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PARTIAL SEAT IS LOOKING ONTO THE PROPERTY. THAT IS BASICALLY

IT. I APPRECIATE IT. >> I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS.

AS YOU DID POINT OUT, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE APPROVED A VERY SIMILAR REQUEST. IT WOULD BE CRAZY NOT TO APPROVE THIS ONE. SO I WILL DEFINITELY SUPPORT IT. IN READING THROUGH IT, LOOKING AT THE ARROWS, IT LOOKS LIKE A REALLY NICE PIECE OF JEOPARDY. GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THAT MIDDLE PART WITH A COUPLE OF THE HOUSES AND PONDS ARE GOING TO GO. READING THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT AND THEN LOOKING AT THE PHOTO. THE PHOTO THAT YOU SHOWED, THAT ONE ON THE RIGHT LOOKING INTO THE PROPERTY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE CONSTRUED, COULD BE ZERO CHEMIC VEGETATION . IT IS ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT TYPES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PRESERVE 10% OF THAT. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU WERE PREPARED TO DO THAT IF THAT WOULD APPLY THAT 10% THROUGH THE SIGNIFICANT

COMMUNITY >> WE ARE HOPING TO PRESERVE

WAY MORE THAN 10%. >> GOOD.

>> THAT WOULD GET REVIEWED WHEN THEY COME IN WITH THOSE TO BE

CONSTRUCTED. >> GREAT. APPRECIATE IT. THANK

YOU. >> ACTUALLY DID TAKE A DRIVE OUT THERE. THAT IS QUITE A ROAD. IT IS WHITE A ROAD AND I NEVER KNEW WHAT A BORROW PIT WAS, BUT NOW I KNOW WHAT IT IS.

THAT IS NICE PROPERTY BACK THERE. IT IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. I AM SURE YOU HAVE A VERY NICE HOME AND PLACED TO LIVE. IT FELT LIKE YOU WERE IN THE FRONTIER, NOT ST. JOHN'S

COUNTY. SO, GOOD LUCK TO YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? ALL RIGHT. HE NONE. WE WILL GO FOR A MOTION.

[Items 5 & 6]

MR. PETER? >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR 2022-07, RIDGEVIEW PROPERTY. AS IS IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> EMOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ON TWO ITEMS NUMBER FIVE IN. IS THERE ANYTHING FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX?

>> YES MA'AM. JUST A SECOND. >> YES. I MET WITH TOM INGRAM

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HAPPENING HERE. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> I RAN OUT TO HIM OUT IN THE FOYER BEFORE THE MEETING AND JASMINE HAD ALSO SHOWN ME THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE. SO, HE ASKED IF I MIGHT HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL HE GAVE A PRESENTATION. I SAID OKAY AREA

>> YES, I DID SEE THAT PRESENTATION. IT WAS EMAILED.

MR. INGRAM, GO AHEAD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON . 16-17 BOULEVARD. JACKSONVILLE, FLOIDA. HERE WITH MATTHEW'S CCI M AS WELL AS THE PRINCIPLES AND DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE LANDOWNER,, THE LLC. THIS IS A SITE THAT IS NEAR 95. THE POTENTIAL TO DEVELOP 180 UNIT WITH FIVE THREE-STORY BUILDINGS, CLUBHOUSE WITH 123 BEDROOM UNITS. ON THIS SITE, I HAVE A LOT OF GRAPHICS. I WILL TRY TO LIMIT IT TO ORIENT YOU. THAT LITTLE NOTCH IN THE AREA WEST OF I-95 AND 208. JUST FOR REFERENCE, I WILL PROBABLY COME BACK TO IT. I HAVE LABELED THE ROBINSON TRACK TO THE SOUTH AND ADLER TO THE WEST. SO, ZOOM IN. THIS MAP SHOWS THE 2025 FUTURE LAND USE MAPS. WE ARE IN THE YEAR 2024. SO NORMALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TEACHER LAND USE MAPS AND -- THE COUNTY IS IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THEIR PLAN TO DO THAT. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH THAT. SO, THIS APPLICATION WOULD EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. THERE IS THIS CONCEPT THAT IS CHAMPIONED BY THE PROGRESSIVE CITY OF PORTLAND, OREGON, ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO. THIS IDEA THAT IF WE DRIVE A HARD LINE WE CAN STOP THE GROWTH OF THE BOUNDARY AND HAVE A CLEAR SEPARATION BETWEEN URBAN AND RURAL USES. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THE RESULT ACROSS THE RIVER AND INTO THE STATE OF WASHINGTON AND BLOW RIGHT THROUGH THAT BOUNDARY. NONETHELESS, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AREA WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS ACTUALLY IN MANY AREAS RANGING FROM A TINY HANDFUL OF ACRES AND THEN CREATING THAT LAST VOTE. THE LARGEST OF THE LIMITED AREA IN THE COUNTY RUNS FROM THE CREEK TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE COUNTY. IT IS IN SOUTH CRESCENT. SO, THIS WOULD BE ABOUT A 23 ACRE EXPANSION OF THAT AREA. SO, THERE IS THE NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST AND SOUTH. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, PROBABLY, HOW MUCH LAND DO WE NEED TO MEASURE THE NEEDS OF OUR COUNTY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WITH THIS CRUDE ANALOGY, IT IS NOT LIKE YOU HAVE A DOZEN EGGS AND YOU HAVE AN EGG CARTON AND YOU NEED TO PUT 12 EGGS TO THE CARTON. IT IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE.

NOT EVERY LANDOWNER IS PREPARED TO DEVELOP AT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT IS ALLOWED. SOME LANDOWNERS WILL BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO MAINTAIN A RANCH TYPE DEVELOPMENT FOR THEIR FAMILIES FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THAT IS ENCOMPASSED IN THE STATUTE.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS FROM 94. IT IS THE ONLY ONE I CAN FIND. IT IS ATTACHED TO THE FIRST SMALL-SCALE LAND-USE AMENDMENT IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY AFTER 1986 MANAGEMENT ACT. IT HAD THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. THE ONE THING I FOUND INTERESTING AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, IT APPEARS THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS IN THE DEVELOPED AREA BACK WHEN COMPUTERS WERE NOT SO

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CAN SEE IT IS A SMALLER LOT ON THE REST. ALSO, YOU CAN SEE TO THE EAST, THE SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION COMING OFF OF TWO -- 208. THAT IS A LEADER THAT YOU SEE IN THE CENTER. THE SITE IS ADJACENT TO FIRE RESCUE STATION FOUR WHICH WAS BUILT WELL OVER 10 YEARS AGO NOW. STAFFED 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTING STATION. WE HAVE THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE THE OUTLET MALL AREA, THE BAPTIST HOSPITALS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IS ALMOST COMPLETE AT 95 WITH THE SAINT AUGUSTINE CENTER DEVELOPMENT. THE OLD ENCLOSED OUTLET MALL HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED EAST OF THAT. ON 208 UC WEST OF 95, THAT WAS APPROVED FOR 420 TOWNHOMES WITH THE ELEVATION POINT PROJECT WITH ANDERSON PARK AND THEN WHEN I SHOW APARTMENTS THERE AT 16, I BELIEVE IT IS CALLED SELENA. THAT IS NEARLY FINISHED. THE SUBDIVISIONS NEAR WHISPER RIDGE AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHISPER RIDGE AND RANCH, THOSE PROPERTIES EXTENDED TOWARDS OUR PROPERTY BUT IN NEITHER CASE DO THOSE CALL FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT NEAR OPEN SPACE PARKS. SO, SAME THING. OH. ONE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT TOO. TO THE WEST OF US, PROBABLY READY TO GO WITH THIS. BUT THERE IS A MITIGATION BANK THAT IS TO THE WEST. HERE IS THE ELEVATION POINT. AGAIN, PART OF THE ELEVATION POINT, THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING THE REALIGNED COUNTY ROAD 208. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO BEFORE THEY SEE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED. IT IS REALLY GOING TO BE A BIG BENEFIT TO THE AREA.

RIGHT NOW THERE IS A POINT OF CONGESTION THE WEIGHT 208 COMES RIGHT INTO 16. THAT WILL BE ELEVATED BY THAT CHANGE.

PUBLICS IS COMING INTO ELEVATION POINT. THAT IS ABOUT 1.5 MILES FROM THIS SITE OFF THE ELEVATION PARKWAY. THERE IS OTHER STORAGE COMING. THESE ARE THE NEW APPOINTMENT -- APARTMENTS GOING AND UP TO FOUR STORIES. HERE IS ANOTHER ELEVATION. TO THE SOUTH OF US IS THE ROBINSON TRACT. THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT HAS NOT BEEN ZONED YET. IT WAS PART OF THE DEAL WHERE THE ROBINSON OWNERS AGREED TO GIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO EXTEND COUNTY ROAD 2209 SOUTH. THE LAND WAS CHANGED TO RESIDENTIAL-B ON THE CONDITION THAT NO DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR BEFORE THE YEAR 2026. IN TERMS OF LAND USE SPEAK IS AROUND THE CORNER. SO, 2600 ACRES BUT 1666. IT HAS A POTENTIAL DENSITY OF 3332 DWELLING UNITS. THAT IS NOT INCLUDING THAT OR ANYTHING. ONE THING TO POINT OUT, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS AREA, YOU CAN

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COMPATIBILITY. >> KISSED TRINA EVANS, SEVEN ROGERS STREET, SAINT AUGUSTINE. THANK YOU. TOM ASKED ME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CRITERIA FOR THE LAND USE AND ZONING APPLICATIONS. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS OF COMPATIBILITY IS THAT IT DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME AS, IT MEANS THAT THEY CAN COEXIST IN NEAR EACH OTHER. ARE THEY USED AS COMPLEMENTARY OR CONFLICTING? SO, GENERALLY, THE ODORS, SMOKE, DUST ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A DUST TRAIL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN THOSE ISSUES ARE WITH MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED. SO, THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. THERE IS MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT ELEVATION POINT ONE MILE EAST AND SING AUGUSTINE CENTER TWO MILES EAST. SO, MULTI FAMILY AT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT OUT OF CHARACTER FOR. THERE ARE URBAN FACILITIES WITH CAPACITY FOR THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT. ALTHOUGH THE AREA TO THE SOUTH IS OPEN RURAL RESIDENTIAL, IT IS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA WITH A LAND-USE RESIDENTIAL AND SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE ALREADY DEVELOPED AREA AND THAT ROBINSON TRACK WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY INCREASE IN

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SINCE THIS IS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE SCREENINGS. THERE IS A 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK AND A SCENIC EDGE AROUND COUNTY ROAD 208 THAT HAS TO HAVE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING STANDARDS. THAT SEPARATES OUR PROPERTY FROM THE O.R. TO THE SOUTH. OFF OF THE PROPERTY THERE IS THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING TO THE WEST IN THE SPAN OF THE CONSERVATION WETLANDS TO THE NORTH AND EAST IS BE PRESERVED WETLANDS RECREATION AND LIVING SPACE FOR THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT DIRECTLY ABUTTING ANY OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT. THE CRITERIA FOR FUTURE LAND-USE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS BASED ON PROXIMITY TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA.

CLEARLY, THIS IS ABUTTING THE DEVELOPMENT AREA ON THREE SIDES. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS TAKEN OUT. IT WOULD CONTINUE TO COMPACT CONTINUOUS DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ALONG THIS ROADWAY.

THERE CAN BE THIS INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE URBAN FACILITIES AND SERVICES. COUNTY AND DEVELOPERS HAVE ALREADY INVESTED IN THIS AREA FOR MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT. I GRABBED A FEW SHOTS FROM THE TRACKER FOR THIS AREA SINCE THE NORTHWEST SECTOR IS REDEVELOPED IN THE PUD. THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA ARE EITHER RECENTLY APPROVED, UNDER CONSTRUCTION, GETTING PERMITTING, OR BUILT OUT. SO, FIRST IS THE WINDWARD BRANCH, FIVE EIGHT ZERO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BUILT OUT. 405 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. GRAY HAWK, 33 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. BOTH OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS ARE 100% BUILT OUT. THE PARK ELEVATION POINT THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED FOR MULTI FAMILY. REDEVELOPMENT AT THE SAINT AUGUSTINE CENTER PUD. NOT CURRENTLY BEING BUILT OUT BUT COMPARED TO MOST OF THE TOWNHOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BILLED. IF YOU LOOK IN FURTHER EAST, STRENGTHEN BOULEVARD, MULTI FAMILY. SEBASTIAN COVE. ALL OF THOSE ARE 100% BUILT OUT. THE ONLY OTHER ONE IS THE 2020 STATE ROAD PUD WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED. SO, THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONCENTRATED IN THIS AREA, WITH THE CONCERNED WETLANDS TO THE WEST AND NORTHEAST. THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SHOWED OUTSIDE OF THE ROBINSON TRACK, THERE ARE NOT AREAS FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED. THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE HOUSING, WHICH IS GREATLY NEEDED. THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT QUALIFY AS LOW-DENSITY SINGLE USE DEVELOPMENT, THAT RESULTS IN EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF LAND AS URBAN SPRAWL. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT SCATTERED OR LEAPFROGGED INTO THE CULTURE AREA TO THE WEST. IT IS DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE DEVELOPMENT AREA WITH PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES ALREADY IN PLACE. IT STILL MAINTAINS THAT CLEAR DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN URBAN AND RURAL. THERE IS ALSO NO ROOM FOR IT TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CONSERVATION WETLANDS IN THE PDR TO THE WEST. SO, THE LAST POINTS THAT I WILL ADDRESS ARE THE SCENIC AND DEVELOPMENT EDGE WAIVERS. A REQUEST TO REDUCE THE SCENIC AND DEVELOPMENT EDGES. YOU HAVE THE 15 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY RESIGNATION IN YELLOW. THE WETLAND IS AROUND 170 FEET. THE THIRD IMPACT IS AROUND 215. SO, IT IS MUCH LESS OF THE 500 FEET

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WHICH YOU CAN SEE. >> THANK YOU, CHRISTINA. SO, PART OF OUR APPLICATION IS ALSO PROPOSING THAT 40% OF THE UNITS BE SET ASIDE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IT IS THE MIDDLE. IT IS NOT THE LOW INCOME, IT IS NOT VERY LOW INCOME, IT IS YOUR MEDIUM INCOME HOUSEHOLDS EARNING UP TO HUNDRED AND 20% OF THE INCOME. FOR THE HOUSEHOLD, IT IS 93 PER CAPITA.

WHAT I PUT ON THE SLIDES HERE IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE FOR 120 WITH 80 FOR REFERENCE. AS YOU WILL SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE BEDROOM, THE MAXIMUM RENT THAT CAN BE CHARGE IS 1992.

RECOGNIZE AND SEE THAT FOR THE MARKET RENT FOR THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS ARE PROBABLY CLOSE TO THAT. THE BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC OVER THE LONG TERM TO HAVE THESE ARE REFLECTED OVER 15 YEARS, IF WE SEE ANOTHER SPIKE IN RENT BECAUSE WE GET A SURGE AND PEOPLE LOOKING FOR -- TO MOVE. THERE WILL BE SOME PROTECTION FOR THOSE WHO ARE TENANT AT THIS SITE FOR 40% OF THOSE UNITS. IN ORDER TO QUALIFY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU DO NOT MAKE MORE THAN 120% OF AREA MEDIUM INCOME TAKING HOUSEHOLD SIZE INTO ACCOUNT. IT IS BOTH A RENT RESTRICTION AND AN INCOME RESTRICTION. AGAIN, FOR REFERENCE, AND HOUSEHOLD WITH THIS YEAR'S NUMBERS CAN EARN MORE THAN 106,000 HOUSEHOLD TO QUALIFY FOR A SINGLE PERSON, NOT MORE THAN 74,000. WITH THAT, WE HAVE ASKED TO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS TO GO WITH THE BREAKER.

IT IS A TWO UNIT BREAKER BONUS. PART OF IT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE OTHER PART IS WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID WETLAND IMPACTS AND WE HAVE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.

JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I AM NOT SURE THAT I NEED TO CONVINCE YOU, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE POPULATION IS GROWING. I THINK WE ARE AT 320,000 JUST LAST YEAR ACCORDING TO THE U.S. CENSUS DATA. WE EXPECT IT TO CONTINUE.

THE OTHER THING THAT IS HAPPENING, WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE SINGLE OCCUPANT HOUSEHOLDS. I BELIEVE IT IS 25% OF HOUSEHOLD ARE HOUSEHOLDERS LIVING ALONE. MORE THAN HALF OF THOSE ARE OVER THE AGE OF 65. THIS IS THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REPORT WORKFORCE ANALYSIS. SO, I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF POLICIES. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT EXPANDING DEVELOPING AREAS BUT THERE IS ALSO THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND IT REALLY DOES SAY OVER AND OVER THAT THE COUNTY HAS A POLICY OF ENCOURAGING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSING.

TRAFFIC. SO, 9:00 TO 6:00 P.M. -- ONE TRIP FOR 37 SECONDS ON AVERAGE. THE CAPACITY ON OUR ACCESS LANE, 208. THAT CAPACITY IS ABOUT 41%. THERE IS A LOT OF CAPACITY. THIS IS A PRIMER ON TRAFFIC IMPACTS. ESSENTIALLY WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT AND ADVERSE IMPACT GOING THROUGH THE WEST TRUST, WHERE THE FOUR LANES OF STATE ROAD 16 BEGAN. FROM THERE, GOING EAST AROUND 65 AND TO FOUR MILE ROAD. WE ARE PREPARED TO AND WOULD PAY A PORTION OF SHARE MITIGATION FOR THAT AREA. IT IS ABOUT ONE .167

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OBVIOUSLY, WE GET CREDITS AGAINST IMPACT FEES. FURTHER, THERE ARE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS COMING TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 16 IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE LIGHTING OF 16 TO THE ENTRANCE IS NOT YET FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS PRETTY NORMAL. FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION COMES AFTER. FINALLY, THE D.O.T. HAS A BEAT PROGRAM TO EXPAND 95 TO THE EXPRESSWAY IN 27. THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT IS HAPPENING NOW. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY THE SUMMER. THAT IS THE RECONSTRUCTOR OF THE INTERCHANGE AT 1695. IT IS ONE OF THE REVERSE TIME AND INTERCHANGES WITH NASSAU COUNTY. HERE IS THE 208 ALIGNMENT I DISCUSSED EARLIER. SQUIRRELS ARE ESTIMATED TO HAVE 20 STUDENTS THAT ARE ENROLLED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS UNDER THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GENERATION RATES BASED ON STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WITH MULTI FAMILY WITH SAINT AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL SERVICE AREA. HERE ARE THE SCHOOL ZONES. SAINT AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL. ADDITIONALLY, SEVERAL SCHOOLS ARE COMING IN.

I LOVE THE SCHOOL NAMES. NNN. YOU CAN SEE IT. IT IS MOSTLY DONE AND EXPECTED TO OPEN THIS FALL. THEN THERE IS ANOTHER ONE EXPECTED IN SILVER LAKE NEAR SILVERLAKE PARKWAY AND THEN THAT IS EXPECTED TO OPEN AND 26. HE KNEW IT HIGH SCHOOL IS ANTICIPATED. OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THERE IS THE AERIAL OF THE PARK. THE SIGNAL IS FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO, WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH MY PRESENTATION.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK CHRISTINE ONE EARLIER BUT I WILL WAIT UNTIL WE CAN SPEAK. I HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE

OR SIX? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHARLIE HUNT. YES, VERY INTERESTING STORY FORGETTING THAT DEVELOPMENT BUT THERE, WHICH, IS THE PASSIVE THE EXPANSION OF 2209. THE HUDSON HIGHWAY COMING DOWN THROUGH THERE. THAT IS BEING USED. THEY ARE SHOWING THE FOUR MILE RADIUS. 16 WAS NOT ACCURATELY DEPICTED ON IT. STATE ROAD 16, IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO IT. IT IS SHOWING HERE THAT THE ONLY DENSITY IS UP PAST 16 95. STRANGELY ENOUGH, I WAS IN THE CREEK MEETING THEY WERE VERY GOOD AT DEPICTING THAT IT WAS SUCH HIGH DENSITY ROADWAY RIGHT THERE. EVEN ON IGP AND ALL THE WAY UP. THAT IS ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINED WITH HOW IT IS BEING PRESENTED. ALSO, THE BONUS. I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS BONUS THING THAT IS COMING UP.

AFTER YOU PUT 13 DWELLINGS PER ACRE AND YOU MEET THIS, WE WILL

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KEEP THE PLANS. WITH THE BONUS DENSITY, IT IS JUST GOING TO BE

OUT OF CONTROL. THANK YOU. >> MR. LEWANDOWSKI?

>> 1748. THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH HIGH DENSITY. WE ARE GOING TO PUT AN ESTIMATED 20 OR 50 VEHICLES ON 20 EIGHT ON THE ROAD. YOU HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THAT AREA.

THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT 208, AS WELL. THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON AT THE INTERSECTION. THEY ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING THAT TRAFFIC FLOW IN THAT AREA, AS WELL. A LOT OF WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE IN THIS AREA. THIS WHOLE AREA HERE ON 16, YOU HAVE THE HIGH DENSITY, THE HIGH DENSITY OPPONENT IN THERE RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THAT ACCESS ROAD BETWEEN 208 AND 16. IT IS 480 VEHICLES. THAT IS A LOT. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS COMMUNITY? IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, WARD CREEK PRESERVE? THAT IS DOWN ON 15-16 LETTER A. ARE THESE NUMBERS CORRECT? THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE MISSING OFF OF THIS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SCHOOL AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT IS MISSING, SEWER AND WATER UPDATE IS EXPIRED ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SAY IN THE DOCUMENTS ANYWHERE. I HAD TO GO INTO LIT UP. THE NUMBERS ARE BLURRY BUT 1.19 ACRES OF WETLANDS DESTROYED. YOU HAVE TO STOP DESTROYING THE WETLANDS.

>> JUST SO YOU KNOW , THAT CHART WAS MISLABELED. THE DATA

IS CORRECT IN IT. >> THAT IS CORRECT?

>> YESTERDAY GOT AN UPDATED ONE TODAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

>> 1005 BLACKBERRY LANE. I WOULD LIKE TO STAND AND SPEAK FROM MY HEART. IF I HAVE QUESTIONS ON IT, I SAY SO. JUST AS I SPOKE EARLIER, I AM SPEAKING NOW. SO, I WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS COUNTY. I WANT THIS APPLICANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SO, THOSE ARE THE FIRST TWO THINGS I WOULD SAY. I HAVE TO ALSO SAY THERE IS AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. I CAN SEE THAT ON YOUR SCREENS. THAT ELEPHANT IS CERTAINLY BE 15 UNITS PER ACRE. PARTICULARLY, WHEN THE NEIGHBORS HAVE DEMONSTRATED THEY ARE ALL WETLANDS ALL AROUND HERE. SO, WHY, I QUESTION THAT. CERTAINLY, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES ALLOW 15 PER ACRE BUT, THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOES FURTHER TO SAY THAT NOTHING IN THIS PROVISION SHOULD BE CONSTRUED, GUARANTEEING THE AGREEMENT OF MAXIMUM DENSITY. IT IS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US. THERE IT IS. IT COULD BE ALLOWED BUT EVERY SITE WILL BE LOOKED AT.

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THAT IS RIGHT THERE IN OUR ORDINANCE. RIGHT THERE IN OUR ORDINANCE. SO, MY CONCLUSION IS THIS. IF THIS IS B AND NOT D, IT GETS SIX UNITS PER ACRE. 30% AFFORDABLE. IT IS COMPATIBLE AND THE ELEPHANT LEAVES THE ROOM. SO, THAT IS MY

DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE ? COMPATIBILITY IS NOT THE SAME AS -- YOU CAN HAVE A SITE WHICH IS DENSER THAN THE SITE NEXT TO IT AND IT CAN STILL BE COMPATIBLE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL USE WITH THE MULTI FAMILY AUXILIARY THAT HAS SINGLE-FAMILY, CAN BE MULTI FAMILY. IN THE REALITY, THE ZONING FOR BOTH THE RANCH AND RIDGE, SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO, IF SOMEONE IS CONCERNED AND SOMETIMES THIS COMES UP AND WE HAVE MULTI FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY. IN THIS CASE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT TO THE MULTI FAMILY. WHAT WE HAVE IS A 24 HOUR, SEVEN DAY A WEEK FIRE STATION STAFFED BY PROFESSIONALS NOT BECAUSE IT IS SO RURAL, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FOR OUR COLLECTIVE SAFETY. SO, THIS IS AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN GROWING FOR MANY YEARS. AS I SHOWED IN OUR PRESENTATION, IT WAS IN A DEVELOPMENT AREA IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND IT CAME DOWN TO A SQUIGGLE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEMENT AREA FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THIS IS NOTHING. ON THE UTILITY AVAILABILITY CENTER WE DID PROVIDE A REVISED LETTER THAT WAS STILL AVAILABLE. IN THIS GRAND SCRAMBLE TO PUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION TOGETHER. FINALLY, WE DID GET A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND THIS IDEA THAT SOMETHING AT SIX UNITS IS OKAY. DOES NOT HAVE MUCH IMPACT, BUT 15 IS TOO MUCH. IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MIDDLE INCOME PEOPLE THAT DRIVE CARS FOR BETTER OR WORSE. IT IS THE APPROXIMATE TRANSIT THAT WE WOULD HOPE ONE DAY. BUT THAT IS A COUNTYWIDE AND REGIONAL ISSUE, NOT ONE FOR THIS FACILITY. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE SOME. GREAT

PRESENTATION. >> BINKY. THANK YOU.

>> 450 CARS A DAY IT WOULD BE 1229 CARS PER DAY. SO, A LOT MORE. I HAD A QUESTION, THERE WASN'T ANY MATERIALS. THESE WOULD BE 12 AND THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS. I WONDERED ABOUT THAT. I WONDERED HOW THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF, THEY HAD NOT SEEN THOSE FIGURES WITH A ONE, TWO, THREE BEDROOM. IT COULD COME UP WITH THAT FIGURE. SO, MAYBE THEY SAW IT, MAYBE

NOT. >> I CAN TRY TO ANSWER THAT, IF

YOU WOULD LIKE. >> SO, THE COUNTY AND ITS METHODOLOGY, WE ARE USING THE INSTITUTE FOR TRIP GENERATION RATES WHICH ARE BASED ON NUMEROUS STUDIES, MULTI FAMILY COMMUNITIES AND THEY DO COME UP WITH AN AVERAGE OF THE VARIOUS STUDY UNITS. THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT VARIATIONS WITH THE VETERANS IN EACH UNIT. IT DOES NOT GET DOWN TO THAT MICRO, MICRO LEVEL. WHO LIVES THERE? DO THEY DRIVE A LOT? YOU KNOW, IT DOES AVERAGE OUT. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME SHOPPING CENTERS MAY HAVE A CHICK-FIL-A AND A WALMART. OTHERS MAY HAVE FURNITURE STORES OR TACO BELL. NONETHELESS. IT DOES WORK OUT.

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>> I'M SORRY, I KNOW YOU HONED IN ON THAT NUMBER, I DID NOT.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DAILY TRIPS. BUT I WOULD SAY IN RESPONSE IS COUNTY ROAD 208 IS THAT 40% OF CAPACITY. THERE IS PLENTY OF CAPACITY ON THE ACCESS.

>> I AM NOT DOUBTING THAT. I HAVE DRIVEN ON 208 MANY TIMES.

BUT, TO GET THERE YOU HAVE TO GO ON STATE ROAD 16 OR IF YOU ARE COMING FROM THE EAST, OF COURSE, YOU CAN COME ON STATE ROAD 16. OR YOU CAN COME DOWN AND GO ALL THE WAY OUT BACK WEST OR EAST, WHATEVER. WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE COUNTY ROAD 2209 ACTUALLY BEING COMPLETED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO COUNTY ROAD 208 SINCE IT IS SCHEDULED NOW AT 16. STILL GOT A LONG WAY TO GO.

ALL THE WAY DOWN FURTHER SOUTH, 207.

>> SURE. >> ALL THE WAY SOUTHERN .

>> I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. 09 SOUTH OF 16 IS NOT FOR CONSTRUCTION. WHAT I WOULD SAY THAT THE COUNTY HAS MULTIPLE TIMES MADE DECISIONS ON WHETHER 2209 WILL CONTINUE AS A VIABLE PRODUCT. THEY HAVE TOLERANCE IN EXCHANGE FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY. THESE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE AND YOU SAY IS THIS A RURAL AREA? WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THE COUNTY IS TO HAVE GROWTH IN THIS AREA AND TO HAVE A NORTH-SOUTH ROAD THAT PARALLELS ON 95 AND IT WILL GO AT LEAST TO 208 IF NOT FURTHER SOUTH. FOR EXAMPLE, IT CAN NOW FILE FOR REZONING SOON. I DON'T KNOW WHEN. YOU KNOW? I'M NOT A BIG GAMBLER ON THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT IS STILL A LONG WAY OFF. THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ITS DENSITY MIGHT BE PREMATURE. THIS IS POINTING OUT 8.1.11 SAYS THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE HIGHEST DENSITY. HE WILL CERTAINLY GET B. AT 13 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH TWO DWELLING UNIT COMPONENTS AT 15 DWELLING UNITS SEEMS MIGHTY HIGH. I LOOK AT THIS AND I LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS AND I LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ALL OF THAT. I LOOK AT YOUR PLAN FROM 1990 WITH THE COUNTY THAT DID NOT CONTEMPLATE GROWTH DOWN THERE.

PLUS, THIS PROPERTY WOULD'VE BEEN UNDER THAT LINE, REALLY.

SECOND 100, IT IS HARD TO SAY. IN ANY EVENT, I HAVE A HARD TIME WHEN I LOOK AT THE AERIALS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE WITH OTHER MAPS. I JUST DON'T SEE AND I HAVE TRIED IT WITH MANY OTHER PEOPLE HERE. SO WITH YOU AND CHRISTINA. I DON'T SEE 15 UNITS PER ACRE AS COMPATIBLE WITH ANYTHING A MILE AND A HALF TO TWO MILES AT ALL. PARTICULARLY WHEN THIS IS CLEARLY OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND IT IS OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AREA WITH SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PLAN AND POLICIES BUT I AM NOT GOING TO DO THAT AT THE MOMENT. I AM GOING TO ASK TERESA BISHOP ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED.

YOU ARE REPRESENTING A CLIENT BACK ON FEBRUARY 1ST AT THE MEETING. FOR WARD CREEK. ON PAGE 10 ON THAT PARTICULAR

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>> THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT IN THAT STATEMENT. FIRST OF ALL,

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT >> I WAS ASKING TERESA BISHOP A

QUESTION. >> SOMETHING I SAID? SOMETHING

THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT? >> OKAY, THANK YOU. I WASN'T

SURE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. >> I THOUGHT I WAS CLEAR THAT WITH THE STAFF REPORT THERE WAS LANGUAGE THAT SAID IT COULD BE SPOT CHANGE. SO I WAS ASKING TERESA IF SHE COULD CLARIFY.

>> YES SIR, I WILL TRY. SPOT ZONING AND SPOT LAND-USE, THERE HAVE BEEN DEBATES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IF THAT IS EVEN A LEGAL THING TO DO. ON SOME OF THOSE. I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. I AM JUST SPEAKING TO YOU. I CANNOT SPEAK ON ANY OF THE LEGALITY OF IT. I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS A POOR PLANNING PRINCIPLE FOR US TO USE. IT DOES CREATE A LAND-USE DESIGNATION IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT IS HIGHER DENSITY THAN ANYTHING THAT IS AROUND HERE BY RS AND RESIDENTIAL AND LOW-DENSITY CATEGORY AND THIS IS ADDING A SPOT WHICH THEN IN TURN COULD TURN AROUND AND SAY OKAY, THE AREA IS GOING TO START GROWING WITH THIS PARTICULAR DENSITY. I AM NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE AREA WHERE WE WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I JUST FEEL LIKE SPOT ZONING OR SPOT LAND-USE BEING ONE OF THEM IS NOT A GOOD PLAN.

>> FROM WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING , WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY IS THAT THIS COULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING WITH

15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE? >> SPOT LAND-USE DESIGNATION.

>> SPOT LAND-USE DESIGNATION --

>> IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY YOU HAVE TWO DESIGNATIONS ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THEN YOU HAVE ZONING.

>> IT DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING CLOSE TO 15 DWELLING UNITS FOR

THIS AREA. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. GREAT. I WAS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR COMPATIBILITY TABLE . WE NORMALLY GET A COMPATIBILITY TABLE IN OUR STAFF MATERIAL PACKET. BUT WE DID NOT HAVE ONE IN THIS. I COULD GO THROUGH AND CONSTRUCT ONE AND TELL YOU WHAT I THINK IT WAS SAY. BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE DID NOT HAVE A COMPATIBILITY TABLE PRESENTED IN THE MATERIALS THAT

WERE INTRODUCED. >> IT WASN'T IN THERE.

>> THERE IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP.

>> THERE IS A MAP. RIGHT. >> THERE IS A COMPATIBILITY MAP PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I THINK THE PLANNER THOUGHT THAT PROBABLY THE ACCOUNTABILITY MAP SERVICES AS

A TABLE. >> WE USUALLY GET BOTH. WE GET THE MAP AND WE GET THE TABLE WHICH GIVES THE PIECE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND TALKS ABOUT THE DENSITY IN EACH TALKED ABOUT WHISPER RIDGE AND TALKED ABOUT THE CULTURE TO THE U.S. AND THE PRD DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST. AND THEN TO THE SOUTH AND THEN OPEN WORLD DOWN TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST. WE JUST DID NOT GET THAT. AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY.

>> WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A TABLE IN ALL FUTURE

APPLICATIONS. >> THANK YOU. WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS ONE RIGHT NOW. SO I AM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT IT. I

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AHEAD. >> JUST ONE THING. TERESA, YOU CALLED THEM SPOTS. YOU KNOW HOW MANY SPOT AMENDMENTS THERE ARE

IN THE PLAN RIGHT NOW? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, NO, I DO NOT . I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPOT AMENDMENTS THERE ARE, BUT WE DO HAVE THEM AND THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

>> WE ARE UP TO Q OR R. I COUNTED 350 PLUS NEW TOWN

>> IF I MAY, THOSE ARE SITE-SPECIFIC POLICIES BUT I

THINK YOU ARE REFERRING TO. >> YEAH.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK WAS REFERRING TO . THE SITE-SPECIFIC POLICIES ARE APPLICANTS BROUGHT FORWARD TO US TO SAY THIS IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> BEFORE I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON AMI , SINCE THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AGAIN ON THE SPOT CHANGE, HOW MANY THERE ARE IN THE COUNTY. IT WAS STATED IN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH ON PAGE 10 AND MATERIALS THAT WE HAD. IT SAID THAT THERE WERE VERY FEW OTHER SPOT CHANGES WITH 15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE SO THAT IS WHY STAFF THOUGHT THAT IT PROBABLY WAS OR COULD BE IN SPOT CHANGE. SO, VERY FEW IS WHAT IT SAID. YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP IF YOU WANT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM LOOKING IT UP ON MY PHONE. BUT THE GRANT OF 220%.

A CAP THAT IS PUBLISHED ANNUALLY BY THE FINANCE PROGRAM THAT IS INTENDED TO ENSURE THAT THE GRANTS ARE AFFORDABLE TO HOUSEHOLD EARNING LESS THAN 120%. IT IS THE 80 TO 120%. THE GENESIS OF THAT WAS LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THE POLICY UNDER THE STATE WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. TRYING TO MIRROR THE INCOME LIMITS AND RENT THEM IT'S THAT ARE UTILIZED UNDER THAT STATUTE, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY APPLY TO THIS.

>> I AM GLAD HE SAID THAT BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT WHEN THE ACT WAS CITED. I WONDERED WHY THIS ISN'T COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED-USE AND THEY ARE NOT GOING FOR THAT. I WONDERED WHY THAT WAS EVEN MENTIONED. 120% OF AMI IS WELL OVER HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

>> PROVIDED THE TABLES . WE CAN GO BACK TO THEM IF THAT WOULD

BE HELPFUL. >> THAT IS A DECENT PAYCHECK FOR MOST PEOPLE. WE ARE A VERY FORTUNATE COUNTRY TO HAVE A

MEDIAN INCOME . >> WE ARE. I REALLY AGREE. VERY FORTUNATE COUNTRY AND COUNTY. ABSOLUTELY. BUT WITH THAT TYPE OF AMI, I DON'T SEE THIS REALLY BEING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN YOU ARE GOING UP TO 120% AMI WITH PEOPLE OVER $100,000 I COULD QUALIFY FOR THIS. THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT IS AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE OR ENTITLED TO A DENSITY BONUS. I CAN'T FOLLOW THAT LOGIC BASED ON THAT AMI OF OVER $100,000.

I HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS ON HOW MANY APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE COUNTY. I ASKED TERESA BISHOP SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO FIGURE WITH HOW MANY APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN BUILT OR APPROVED, I GUESTS IT WAS, OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THAT NUMBER WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 7200 AND SOME THAT YOU HAVE REPRESENTED, OBVIOUSLY. SOME HAVE BEEN BUILT LIKE THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE

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OVER 3000 APARTMENTS FOR RENT RIGHT NOW IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $1100 AND $2500 PER MONTH, UP TO THREE BEDROOM. I HAD ALL OF THOSE FIGURES BUT I WASN'T BRINGING THEM UP I THINK THIS WHOLE THING HINGES ON INCOMPATIBILITY BASED ON NOT AND WHAT I SEE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY, TALK ABOUT 1990 STANDARDS HERE. YOU WOULD PROBABLY LOVE IT OUT IN TEXAS. --

>> I AM A NATIVE TEXAN AND I AM GLAD THE STATE OF FLORIDA

TOOK ME IN. >> VERY GOOD.

>> JUST TO GET BACK TO THIS I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BASED ON ALL OF THE FACTORS. I CAN GIVE YOU MORE BUT I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE PEOPLE'S TIME. PEOPLE LIKE TO KEEP THESE MEETINGS SHORT. I THINK I HAVE SAID ENOUGH FOR NOW UNLESS SOMETHING WAS SAID BY SOMEONE ELSE THAT THEY WANT TO ADD ON TO. I DO THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING LIKE THIS, BUT NOT AT THIS LOCATION NOT AT THIS LOCATION, NOT AT THIS TIME. IF THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAPPENS FOR THE REZONING. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF FACTORS WITH MY DECISION. I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS COMPATIBLE. SO, THANK YOU,

TOM. I APPRECIATE IT. >> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE FLORIDA HOUSING ORGANIZATION ARTICLE THAT YOU PROVIDED WITH THAT CREEK APPLICATION. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT. THE NUMBERS ARE QUITE DIFFERENT EVEN THOUGH IT IS ONLY FIVE YEARS OLD BUT THINGS REALLY HAVE ESCALATED SO MUCH COST WISE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CONTROL YOU HAVE OVER THE NUMBERS AND ALL ABOUT AS FAR AS AMI WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BEING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE, I AM GOING TO PUSH AND FOR WORKFORCE TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOOD I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU SOMETIME ABOUT YOUR ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE LDC AND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM. I THINK I KIND OF UNDERSTAND SOME OF IT. BUT WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION HERE TODAY. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

FIRST OF ALL. I LIKE THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPE OFFERS. I THINK THAT IS REALLY GREAT. HOPEFULLY MORE DEVELOPERS WILL DO THAT. I LIKE THAT YOU ARE PRESERVING SO MUCH OF THE WETLANDS AND THAT YOU ARE REFERENCING THAT. THANK YOU FOR SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT THE STUDIO, ONE, TWO, THREE BEDROOM. MY CONCERNS, ARE THERE GOING TO BE ELEVATORS ON THESE

BUILDINGS? >> THESE WILL BE WALK UP. SO THAT IS PRETTY TYPICAL OF A THREE-STORY PRODUCT WHEN YOU START TO GET INTO THE FOUR AND FIVE STORIES, WHICH IS OUTER

DENSITY. >> I AM NEW AT THIS, SO I AM JUST ASKING . MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS IS YOU HAVE GOT LISTED IN INCOME AND RENT RESTRICTION TO THE YEAR 2039.

YOU HAVE GOT A TWO YEAR WINDOW FOR THE DATE OF APPLICATION TO THE DATE OF BEING ABLE TO GET YOUR PERMITS ALL IN A ROW. THEN YOU HAVE A 10 YEAR PHASE ONE. EVERYTHING DONE IN ONE PHASE.

THAT IS 12 YEARS FROM NOW. THAT LEAVES YOU THREE YEARS LEFT OF

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>> I WILL TRY TO GET BACK ON IT WITH YOU ON THAT HERE.

>> I JUST DON'T SEE THREE YEARS.

>> THE DEVELOPERS RESPOND TO THE MARKET. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT BUT IT IS CERTAINLY NOT INTENTIONAL TO WAIT ALL OF THOSE YEARS TO STRETCH EVERYTHING TO THE LIMIT. THE REASON FOR THOSE LONGER TIME FRAMES, THEY ARE IN THE CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. THEY WOULD HATE TO HAVE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH BACK THE PROCESS TO HELP BUILD WHAT THEY HELP BUILD.

>> I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I APPRECIATE THE 15 YEARS. I THINK THAT IS GREAT. I REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE DEVELOPERS MEETING TO A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. AS FAR AS THE DENSITY GOES, IN MY THINKING, YOU KNOW, NOBODY REALLY CARES WHAT I THINK. BUT THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HOW MUCH IMPACT THAT ONE LITTLE BIT WOULD HAVE WITH THAT CONSERVATION AREA AROUND WITH THE FIRE STATION THERE. I KNOW THE RANCH, I AM OUT THERE A LOT. I THINK YOU ARE VERY WELL SEPARATED WITH HOW YOU GOT IT CONFIGURED. A LOT OF THE BUILDING IS SHOWING FROM THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN LIVE WITH THAT AS MUCH AS I AM NOT A HUGE LOVER OF BIG PROJECTS, FOR THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THEM. THE BEST PRODUCT AVAILABLE HERE AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS THAT DR.

RICHARD HILSENBECK MENTIONED, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT STARTLING TO ME WITH APARTMENTS IN THAT RANGE, THAT SURPRISED ME. I HAVE DONE RESEARCH IN THE PAST, BUT NOT RECENTLY. I THOUGHT IT WAS HIGHER NUMBERS. I KNOW THAT TEACHERS DO NOT MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY. THEY ARE NOT MAKING $100,000. BECAUSE OF THE ARTICLES YOU SAID, I LOOKED INTO THE TABLES AND TRIED TO GET CURRENT NUMBERS OF WHAT THEY ARE MAKING. THE 2015 NUMBERS ARE VERY OUTDATED. IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT, I WOULD PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT FOR THE FACT OF HAVING HOUSING IN AN AREA WHERE I JUST DON'T SEE THIS COULD REALLY IMPACT A BIG BOOM OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHT IN THAT SMALL

SPACE. SO, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> ONE WOULD RESIDENTS START MOVING IN? --

>> SORRY FOR THE DELAY. WE WOULD HOPE 24 TO 36 MONTHS OUT FROM NOW. AS YOU KNOW, THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS LENGTHY.

PROCESS IS SHORT THESE DAYS TOO.

>> YES. SO, 2026, 2027? THAT IS THE DEVELOPERS SAYING THAT.

SO, 2029. THANK YOU. BUT I'M SORRY. WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO MODIFY OUR APPLICATION --

>> SOMETHING JUDY SAID THAT PROMPTED THIS NEXT COMMENT OR QUESTION. I NOTICED ON APARTMENTS.COM OR RENT.COM OR A GOVERNMENT SITE THAT I LOOKED UP. IT SAYS RENT HAS GONE DOWN IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY HUNDRED AND $88 IN THE LAST YEAR. SO, THEY HAVE DROPPED NEARLY $200. THAT IS 7% LOWER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WHICH SURPRISED ME A LOT. THE SAME SITE SET THE AVERAGE RENT IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS $1391.

I COULD GO THROUGH THOSE, STUDIO 1100. ONE BEDROOM, 1479.

TWO BEDROOM, 1699. OVER 3000 APARTMENTS AVAILABLE FOR RENT RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY. ANOTHER SITE SAID THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE 55,000 $632 PER YEAR TO PAY MORE THAN THE 30% OF YOUR

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ADD UP. >> THE AMI, IT HAS TO DO WITH HOUSEHOLD SIZE. THE LARGER NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE HOUSEHOLD, THE HIGHER THE MAXIMUM CAN BE. BUT ON THE RENTS, I MEAN, IF RENT IS COMING DOWN AND I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THAT TOO. I WOULD SAY THAT IS PUBLICLY A GOOD THING FOR THE CITIZENS. I WANT TO BRING OUR EXPERT WHO BUILT

THESE DEVELOPMENTS. >> YEAH, JUST TO SPEAK TO THE RENT. FROM 2020 TO ROUGHLY 2023. THERE WAS A VAST NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT WERE PUT UNDER DEVELOPMENT. AS OF SEPTEMBER OF 23, THERE WERE ROUGHLY ABOUT 800,000 UNIT. ON AVERAGE, WE WOULD HAVE 500,000 UNITS DELIVERED NATIONALLY AND WE HAD ABOUT 800,000 UNITS BASICALLY START AND THEN GO INTO DELIVERY AS OF SEPTEMBER OF 2023. THOSE UNITS WILL DELIVER AND STABILIZE OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. ALL ACCOUNTING, THOSE UNITS ARE GOING TO TAKE LONGER FOR STABILIZATION AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE SEEING SOME OF THAT RED DECLINE. THEY DO HAVE VOLUME COMING TO MARKET. HENCE 2023 AND THE INFLATION THAT WE EXPERIENCED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND HE STARTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN, WE ARE FAST BELOW THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT NEED TO BE STARTED JUST TO KEEP UP WITH STANDARD HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. SO, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A PROJECT THAT WE ARE DELIVERING TODAY. FIRST UNITS WOULD NOT BE MOVED IN FOR ALMOST 24 MONTHS. THERE OTHER UNITS THAT ARE STILL ON THE SIDELINE SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY HAVE THEIR APPROVALS.

WE ARE GOING TO BE VASTLY BELOW THE REQUIREMENT FOR HOUSING ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO, ALL OF THE UNITS THAT WE ARE SEEING NOW THAT ARE BASICALLY FLAT RENT OR LOWER RENT, THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE DRASTICALLY BECAUSE THE LACK OF UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DELIVERED GOING INTO 25, GOING INTO 26. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE UNITS THAT ARE STILL STARTING. WHEN YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE UNIT OF 550 TO 200 NATIONALLY, THAT IS A HUGE REDUCTION. WE HAVE GONE FROM ONE SWING TO THE OTHER. SO, BEING WELL BEHIND IN HOUSING, IF WE LOOK AT ANY OF THE STUDIES, HOUSING IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE A HUGE DEMAND GOING INTO 2026, 2027 BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED NATIONALLY.

>> CAN YOU ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION? I LIKE YOUR ANSWER.

GOOD ANSWER. YOU ARE TALKING NATIONALLY, WHERE ALL THE PEOPLE COMING FROM THAT ARE RENTING THESE PLACES ACROSS THE NATION. HERE THERE IS A HUGE NEED FOR HOUSING AND LOOKING FOR HOUSING, EXCEPT FOR IMMIGRATION, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF ISSUES. WHERE ARE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE COMING FROM? ARE THEY COMING FROM CANADA, EUROPE?

>> THE MIGRATION PLAYS TO IT. AS YOU HAVE UNITS THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR SECTION EIGHT HOUSING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AS PEOPLE PHASE AND LOWER TIER INCOME PEOPLE OR MIGRANT THAT ARE NOT LEGAL ARE COMING IN AND PUSHING RESIDENTS OUT THEIR HOUSING THAT THEY WERE TYPICALLY IN. THEY ARE PUSHING AND SCALING UP. AS WE HAVE SEEN EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS, AS WELL AS THE WAGE RATE OF EMPLOYMENT GOING UP OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. THOSE PEOPLE ARE PUSHING INTO THE NEXT TIER. WE WILL SEE, WHAT WE WILL SEE VERY SOON IS THAT THERE WILL BE THE PUSH TO UPGRADE THE UNITS TO GET THEM READY FOR THE TEAR THAT IS COMING UP THAT IS GOING TO PUSH INTO THEM. ANY TIME THAT YOU HAVE A MIGRATION OF 5 MILLION PEOPLE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THERE ARE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE. THAT TEAR UP IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO OCCUR. THE DEMAND THAT YOU SEE THAT YOU TYPICALLY BUILD TO IS THE LETTER A. CLASS UNIT. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GRADUATING SCHOOL, NURSES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE INTO THAT CLASS AND INTO THOSE APARTMENT COMMUNITIES. SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, USING IT IS 120. WE HAVE AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM OUT OF YOU AND AFTER WE HIRE A NUMBER COMING IN. THE STARTING SALARY THAT THAT IN TURN PROGRAM FIVE YEARS AGO WAS ABOUT $45,000 TO START INTO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY. BUT IS $70,000 TODAY.

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MARKET. >> OKAY. APPRECIATE IT.

>> YES, SIR. >> I JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THAT MISS JUDY HAS AS FAR AS ONLINE PROVIDED. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOING TO BE BUILT, WHAT TIMEFRAME?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. IT IS ALL THE SAME. THE FIVE BUILDINGS FOR THE SITE PLAN, THE UNIT THAT WOULD BE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR RENT WILL BE WITHIN THOSE UNIT. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, CORRECT ME IF I GET IS INCORRECT. SOME UNIT -- YOU MAY HAVE A CORNER UNIT, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT ONE MAY BE THE MARKET RATE, BUT THE MIDDLE ONES MAY BE IN THE AFFORDABLE.

IT IS LIKELY TO BE FLOATING, WHERE THERE IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE MARKET UNITS. SO, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE IT. YOU JUST WOULD NOT KNOW IF SOMEONE IS UNDER THE AFFORDABLE OR NOT AFFORDABLE AREA. ONCE CLIENTS CALLED IT THE NOT AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT.

JUNE 1ST 2029 WITH THE OCCUPANCY. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD

YOU SAY? >> 15 YEARS FROM THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY IN THE RESTRICTION PERIOD.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YEAH. I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS TO STAFF AND I KNOW YOU DO A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, AS WELL. CERTAINLY, WITH DR. HILL'S BACKGROUND, I AM NOT QUESTIONING IT AT ALL.

I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FOR FORT TOWSON, FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FOR 2023. IS 100% FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLD AND ST.

JOHNS COUNTY IS $74,400 NOT 100,000. ONCE YOU GET UP TO A HOUSEHOLD SIZE OF FOUR. I DO THINK IN THOSE ARTICLES THAT I READ, THAT IS TWO WORKING ADULT THAT YOU GET UP TO AN AMI OF 106,000 DOLLARS. AM I MISSING SOMETHING OR AM I MISUNDERSTANDING? THE NUMBERS. HUNDRED AND $10,000 JUST GOT THROWN OUT THERE. A BUNCH OF US ARE THINKING THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY. THAT IS NOT 120% AND 55,000. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

SO, A FIVE PERSON HOUSEHOLD --

>> IF I CAN TRY TO CLARIFY. THIS IS CERTAINLY REVIEWING THE TABLES AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT FLORIDA HOUSING HAS. THE REQUEST IS TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF FLORIDA HOUSING.

SO, IF I HAVE MADE A MATH ERROR OR I MISREAD THE TABLE WITH PEOPLE EARNING HOUSEHOLD MORE THAN HUNDRED AND 20% OF THE INCOME. THE SHORTHAND IS MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. WE WOULD FOLLOW THEIR CRITERIA FOR INCOME RESTRICTIONS.

>> THESE ARE THE SHIP NUMBERS, THESE ARE NOT YOUR NUMBERS. SO,

I AM OKAY THEN EVERYBODY? >> I WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN HERE. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE. SO, LET'S LOOK AT 80% OF AMI FOR A ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLD. 49 SIX .18 IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 50 GRAND. 20% TO 50 GRAND IS $10,000. OKAY? I

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>> I CAN PULL THE DATA , I HAVE IT UP. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND

IT. >> SORRY, WE ARE IN THE JOHNSONVILLE MSA AND YOU CAN SEE UP THERE, IT IS HARD TO SEE THE INCOME LIMIT. ON THE 120% NUMBER --

>> I DO SEE ONE . IF YOU SLOW DOWN, THERE IS ONE PRESENT IN JOHN'S COUNTY. I WAS ON THE SAME PAGE. THE NUMBERS ARE LOW.

YEAH. >> OKAY. CAN YOU SEE THE ST.

JOHNS NUMBERS? >> THEN, YOU CAN SEE IN THE RIGHT-HAND COLUMN . I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, WE WILL FOLLOW THE STATES FORMULA TO FIND IT PUBLISHED FOR THE CORPORATION WITH THE MEDIAN INCOME IS. TRYING TO PROVIDE THE NUMBERS AS WHERE I BELIEVE THEY ARE TODAY. IT IS COMPLICATED.

>> IT CERTAINLY IS. >> DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK?

>> THIS IS THE LAST COMMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE. I THINK RIGHT AFTER THIS , I MIGHT WANT YOU TO RESPOND TO THIS. UNDER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS, THIS IS CITED IN THE STAFF REPORT PERTAINING TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. POLICY 8.1 AND 2.5 E STATE, WE CAN GET INTO FLORIDA STATUTE, AS WELL. IT'S THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE AMENDMENT WILL NOT -- THIS IS THE --

>> THE AMENDMENT WILL NOT RESOLVE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN BY 163 FLORIDA STATUTES AND WILL NOT DISCOURAGE INFILLING OF MORE APPROPRIATE AREAS AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARIES. SO, YOU GOT THAT STATEMENT. THEN, COUPLED WITH THAT, POLICY 8.1.2. THE COUNTY SHALL ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT. INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS DEVELOPMENT ON A VACANT PARCEL WITHIN DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT ARE SURROUNDED. SURROUNDED BY AN EXISTING BUILT AREA.

COMPATIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE DEVELOPING REVIEW PROCESS. THIS IS IN ITALICS AGAIN. AND FIELD DEVELOPMENT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED IN A RURAL CULTURE OR AI AREAS. SO, IF YOU ARE A RURAL AREA AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO THE FACT THAT THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED A SPOT CHANGE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WILL TRY TO GET THERE . ONE WAS CAN THIS BE CONSIDERED A SPOT CHANGE? SO, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE LEGAL CONCEPT OF SPOT ZONING. THAT WAS THE IDEA WHERE YOU HAVE A SEA OF RESIDENTIAL USES AND YOU PUT A TANNERY OR A

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I THINK IT IS RRRQQQ FOR SITE-SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS. NOT ONLY SITE-SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS BUT IT EFFECTIVELY MANDATES IT.

THOSE ARE TO BE VOTED ON ON A SIDE-BY-SIDE BASIS. YOU CANNOT SAY ON THE ONE HAND THEY ARE ALLOWED IF THEY ARE APPROVED FOR A SPECIFIC SITE BUT THEY ARE NEVER ALLOWED BECAUSE WE ARE PROVING THEM ON A SPECIFIC SITE. THAT WOULD BE GOING BACK TO A CONCEPT AND LOSS WILL WITH FANCY WORDS WHERE IT SAYS READ EVERYTHING TO TOGETHER -- YOU PROBABLY HEARD THAT 100 TIMES TOO. BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE EVERY REQUIREMENT IN CONTEXT WITH THE OVERALL DOCUMENTS AND LAND DEVELOPMENTS. SO, I DON'T THINK I SAID THIS WAS ENFIELD. I TRIED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE LANGUAGES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE MAN. THIS IS AN AREA THAT WILL GROW OVER TIME, TO A DEGREE. YOU HAVE 2209, WHICH WE SPOKE AT LENGTH ABOUT WITH THE ELEVATION POINT. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A REAL BOUNDARY NEAR US. THAT IS THE WETLANDS MITIGATION. THIS DOES NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO THE WETLANDS MITIGATION BANK. THIS OPENS THE DOOR TO ALLOW MEDIUM INCOME HOUSING NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION NEAR ELEVATION POINT, A MILE AND HALF FROM THE PUBLIC AND SO FORTH BUT I FEEL LIKE I AM REHASHING ARGUMENTS. IS THERE ANYTHING I HAVEN'T CAUGHT YET? YOU HAD A FEW QUESTIONS IN HERE. OKAY. ALL

RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> MAY I JUST COMMENT ON ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD ? HE SAID HE THINKS THAT THE COUNTY MANDATES SPECIFIC DIVISIONS AND CONDITIONS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AS YOUR COUNTY PLANNER THAT WE MANDATE THOSE. THE APPLICANT COMES INTO THOSE TO REDUCE THEIR IMPACT TO THE SITE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE ON A FUTURE LAND USE MAP. FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY WERE COMING IN, IF THEY HAD 10 ACRES, THEY WERE COMING IN WITH RESIDENTIAL LETTER A. THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED 10 UNITS AND THEY ONLY WANT TWO. THEY MAY ONLY WANT TWO UNITS SO THEY WILL LIMIT THEIR IMPACT BASED ON THEIR LIMIT TO SAY THAT THEY ONLY WANT TWO LIMITS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I AM ASKING YOU TO CHANGE. THE COUNTY DOES NOT MANDATE THAT BY ANY MEANS. IT IS AN OPTION THAT

THEY DO HAVE AVAILABLE. >> THANK YOU. GREG MATOVINA?

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> GO FOR IT. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ADOPTION MULTI FAMILY -- HAS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ALSO ADDING A CONDITION WITH THE AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION . >> A SECOND BY JUDY SPIEGEL.

>> I HAVE A FEW THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP ITEM FOUR. I WOULD SAY THAT IS A SPOT CHANGE. LOOK AT THE MAP. WHATEVER IT WAS WE JUST DID JUST STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 15 TO THE ACRE WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON A CLOSED SITE THEY ARE DOING 24 UNITS TO THE ACRE AND A

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THOUGHT ON WHY WE HAVE ALL OF THESE APARTMENTS BEING BUILT.

ONE HAS A HOUSE AND THAT IS BECAUSE MY WEALTH, WIFE AND I HELP THEM. THE OTHER THREE DON'T HAVE A HOUSE. THEY HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, BUT THEY DON'T OWN A HOUSE. ALL THREE OF THEM CAN'T AFFORD WHERE THEY LIVE. I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THAT DIFFERENCE COMES FROM. THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE GROWTH IN APARTMENTS, IN MY OPINION FROM THE INTERNET HERE MILLENNIAL'S WERE THE LARGEST GENERATION GROUP IN THE U.S. IN 2022 WITH AN ESTIMATED POPULATION OF 72.2 MILLION BORN BETWEEN 1981 AND 1996. ONE HE HAS RECENTLY SURPASSED BABY BOOMERS AS THE BIGGEST GROUP AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THE POPULATION IN THE COMING YEARS. WE HAVE ALL OF THESE 28 AND 42-YEAR-OLD WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE UNLESS MOM AND DAD HELP THEM BUY A HOUSE. THEIR ONLY OPTION TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN IS TO LIVE IN THE PARENTS BASEMENT FOR A LONG TIME. THAT IS MY OPINION I WILL GET OFF MY HIGH HORSE.

>> IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ?

>> I DO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT , WE ARE NOT IN NASSAU COUNTY.

IF NASSAU IS MANDATING 24 ACRES, THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS.

WE ARE IN ST. JOHN'S, AS YOU KNOW. THAT IS IRRELEVANT. THANK

YOU. >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND REGISTER THE VOTE . NINE MOTION PASSES , 4-2. CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR

ITEM NUMBER SIX? >> YES PLEASE. MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2023-19 COUNTY ROAD 208 MULTI

[7. Amendments to the Land Development Code - Special Care Housing]

DEVELOPMENT. >> IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? THAT MOTION PASSES 4-2. THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE NEED TO TAKE A -- OR DO YOU WANT TO PUSH THROUGH?

>> LET'S GO AHEAD, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY --

>> SORRY. IT DOES. GO AHEAD, MISS RING.

>> AMY RING WITH GROSS MANAGEMENT, HERE TO PRESENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THE CODE FOR SPECIAL CARE HOUSING.

SO, FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION SEPTEMBER 19TH OF LAST YEAR, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DIRECTED STAFF TO DRAFT AMENDMENTS TO PROVIDE A REVIEW PROCESS FOR A SEXTING ASSISTED-LIVING FACILITY IS OPEN FOR ZONING. THIS YEAR, THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO MOVE FORWARD AS PRESENTED TO THIS AGENCY. SO, SPECIAL CARE HOUSING IS DEFINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT INCLUDES MULTIPLE TYPES OF HOUSING SUCH AS GROUP HOMES, CARE HOMES, FOSTER HOMES SPECIAL CARE HOUSING IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT AS RESIDENTIAL USE.

STAFF DID IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL PARTS OF THE LAND OF ELEMENT CODE THAT ARE BROUGHT INTO ALIGNMENT WITH SPECIAL CARE HOUSING. SO, THOSE CHANGES WERE INCORPORATED FULFILLMENT OF THE BOARD DIRECTIVE, CHANGES FOR CONSIDERATION TODAY CATEGORIZE SPECIAL CARE HOUSING INTO LEVELS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS SERVED. STATE

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ACCOMMODATING UP TO SIX RESIDENTS. LEVEL TWO KEN ACCOMMODATE SEVEN TO 14 RESIDENTS. LEVEL THREE WOULD ACCOMMODATE 15 RESIDENTS AND HIGHER. THIS SLIDE EXPLAINS HOW THE LEVELS FUNCTION. IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS WITH AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT OR 80 ZONING.

ALLOWED BY MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS AND SPECIAL USE IN THE O.R. 80 DISTRICTS. COMMERCIAL ZONES THAT ACCOMMODATE RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES START AT ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 20.23 WITH ALLOWABLE SPECIAL USES BY DISTRICTS, WHICH HAS DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE SPECIAL USE AS REQUIRED. LEVEL TWO WOULD REQUIRE SETBACKS OF 58 AND A BASEMENT LOT AREA OF 6000 SQUARE FEET IS REQUIRING 15,000 SQUARE FEET PER RESIDENTS. THE SAME SETBACKS AT 50 FEET WITH THE MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 6000 SQUARE FEET AND SLIGHTLY INCREASED THE RESIDENT REQUIREMENT OF UP TO 2000 SQUARE FEET. A NEW SECTION WOULD BE ADDED TO ARTICLE SIX SECTION 6 POINT 08 DESIGN STANDARDS TO SPECIFIED USES WHICH APPLIES TO ALL SPECIAL HOUSING AND ADDRESSES EACH LEVEL WITH DESIGN STANDARDS WITH EIGHT DISBURSEMENT REQUIREMENT TO AVOID CONCENTRATION IN ONE AREA. THIS SECTION ALSO INCREASES INVESTING IN SPECIFIC FACILITIES. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT UPDATES WITH THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL CARE HOUSING WITH ALL LEVELS ALREADY DESCRIBED. DEFINITIONS OF BOARDING AND GROOMING HOUSE AT THE CARE CENTER. ALSO TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY, THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO TABLE 3.12 .04 IN THE DISTRICT WITH THE OVERLAY. SO THE MEDICINE IS AVAILABLE TO THE AGENCY ON THE SCREEN AND YOUR STAFF PACKET. IF THIS ITEM IS NOTED TO MOVE FORWARD IT IS SCHEDULED TO BE PRESENTED OR HEARD AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON MAY 7TH. I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> CHARLIE HUNT. IT IS KIND OF STRANGE, BUT I WALKED UP HERE SMILING. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WHEN WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS PLAN, IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING AND WHEN AMY PRESENTED IT AT THE LAST COMMISSIONER MEETING THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE OPPOSING IT BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING THE SPIRIT I SPOKE WITH HER AFTERWARDS YES, I LIVE ON SILO ROAD, I WAS IN THE HEART OF THIS WHOLE EPIDEMIC OF HAVING A FACILITY PLACED RIGHT THERE ON THAT VERY SMALL FARM ROAD WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE TRYING TO GO THROUGH, YES, IT WAS PASSED BY PLANNING AND ZONING. WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, IT TOOK US ALMOST A YEAR TO GET IT UP. IT WASN'T NOTHING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE . IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING UP LIKE THAT, PUT IT OUT TO WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE AVAILABLE UTILITIES RIGHT THERE TO HOOK UP WITH. SILO ROAD CAME DOWN ON THE VIDEOTAPE IN THERE LIKE WOW! THIS SKINNY AND RIGHT ON THE CURB FOR THIS TYPE OF A UNIT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN COUNTY UTILITIES. WE DON'T HAVE COUNTY UTILITIES. IT IS OPEN ROAD. SPEAKING WITH AMY, IT DID, IT MADE ME THINK WOW! I STOPPED AND I TALKED WITH ONE OF MY FRIENDS WHO LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THAT PROPERTY HAD ALREADY BEEN OBLITERATED FROM THE 1938 TO 1940 SPANISH-STYLE HOUSE THAT WAS TORN OUT IN A BIG RETENTION POND WAS PUT IN ITS PLACE. BUT TO SEE WHAT CAME FROM THAT AND EVEN THOUGH SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR IT WAS MORE OF MEDIATION

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BUT, IF YOU ARE COMING DOWN, IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET IT AROUND. I SEE IT AND WE GET OUT OF THE ROAD. THIS IS A GREAT, GREAT TURNING POINT FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

>> I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. IN SECTION 6.8 .44 C LETTER FIVE WE SAY EACH SPECIAL CARE HOUSING LEVEL FACILITY SHOULD NOT EXCEED A RATIO OF ZERO POINT 25. IS THAT WHAT WE MEAN? DO WE MEAN 25%? HOW DO WE NORMALLY EXPRESS THE RATIO?

>> IN PERCENTAGES. >> WHAT IT BE OKAY WITH YOU WITH A MOTION THAT WE CHANGE THAT TO 25%?

>> YES SIR. >> YES. I ASSUME YOU WANT US TO DO THE MOTION. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY UNDER REVISION WITH THE CHANGES. SO, SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT. SO, WITH THE REVISIONS BEFORE US. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> THE 25% REVISION -- CLEAN VERSION AND THEN A REFINED VERSION. YOU HAVE GIVEN US TO APPROVAL RECOMMENDATIONS --

>> SOME OF MY REVISIONS HAVE THREE OR FOUR COLORS.

>> OKAY. WE ARE BACK INTO AGENCY MOTIONS.

>> A MOTION FOR DIRECTED APPROVAL FOR SPECIAL CARE

[Staff Reports]

REPORT. >> YES MA'AM, THANK YOU. JUST ANOTHER REMINDER, NEXT WEEK WE HAVE THE SECOND SET OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR THE CONFERENCE PLAN UP DATE. MIKE WENT OVER THESE LAST TIME WE MET. I WILL REITERATE THEM AGAIN. ON MARCH 26TH, THERE IS ONE IN HASTINGS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. ON THE 27TH, IT IS DISTRICT FIVE. THE WATERWORKS HOLDING OFF OF SAN MARCO. ON MARCH 20TH, THERE IS

[Agency Reports]

THERE ARE BOARDS TO SAY HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY DEVELOPED. ALL OF THAT DATA WILL THEN BE PROCESSED WITH

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