[2. SUPMIN 2024-01 580 Lena St.. Request for a Special Use Permit to allow for a Manufactured/Mobile Home as a residence in Residential, Single Family (RS-3) zoning, pursuant to Land Development Code, Section 2.03.08, specifically located at 580 Lena St.]

ACROSS HIS COUNTY, I DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER FOR ROADWAY. THE CURRENT ACTIVE CAPITAL PROJECTS, $320 MILLION

>> YES. THAT IS CURRENTLY ENCUMBERED FUNDS THROUGH THE COUNTY BUDGET PROCESS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS , INCLUDING THESE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. I AM NO I'M THE ONE THAT REQUESTED IT. I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE PIPELINE. THANK YOU.

>> ONTO ITEM NUMBER TWO. YOU CAN,. IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE

AGENCY ? >> YES . I DID A SITE VISIT.

>> BUT WE ARE PROPOSING IS

>> AND YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE?

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>> I AM SO SORRY. WE'RE PROPOSING PUTTING A MOBILE HOME ON THE 580 LUNA STREET. THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR OUR DAUGHTER. SHE WORKS HERE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND SHE WORKS OVER 40 HOURS PER WEEK. SHE HELPS TRAIN LAW ENFORCEMENT

DOGS. >> SHE MAKES A LITTLE OVER $40,000. SHE DOES NOT HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVANCEMENT SO SHE'LL BE MAKING $40,000 PROBABLY FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE. BUT SHE LOVES HER JOB AND SHE NEEDS A HOME SHE CAN AFFORD. THERE IS A 2836 WHERE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS , -- HAVE YOUR MONTHLY INCOME. AND ALL OF THE OUTGOING FINANCIAL DEBT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 30% OF YOUR MONTHLY INCOME THIS PUTS ADDED HER AS A NEED FOR MONTHLY PAYMENT ON A HOME OF ABOUT $875. THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN GET IN THE MARKET TODAY FOR THAT WHETHER YOU ARE RENTING OR BUYING. THAT IS WHY WE ARE MAKING THIS PROPOSAL. WE ARE THE PARENTS. WE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I AM A SCHOOLTEACHER.

THIS IS THE HOME THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE STREET. IT IS A VERY OLD CRACKER SHACK THAT IS DEAFLY ONE FOR THE BULLDOZERS EVERYBODY, WITHOUT WAS A 50/50 CHANCE IT COULD BE FITTED WITH MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS OUT THERE AND THEY ALL KIND OF SHOOK THEIR HEADS THAT IS. NO. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS PUTTING A NICE LITTLE MOBILE HOME ON THE PROPERTY. NOTHING TOO LARGE, NO A FOUR BEDROOM, THREE BATH WITH ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT JUST A SMALL LITTLE MOBILE HOME. SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE FOR THIS IS FOR OUR DAUGHTER. WANTED WARM, SAFE, AND DRY. AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU LOOK, LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS PROPERLY.

RIGHT HERE. THIS IS KIND OF A STORAGE LOT HERE. THERE IS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION SUPPLIES. SOME BOATS BUT IF YOU HAVE DONE A SITE VISIT, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT OVER HERE IS ANOTHER STORAGE LOT. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE. SOME BOATS AND VEHICLES, SOME OLDER VEHICLES. THAT IS KIND OF ALSO A STORAGE LOT. THESE ARE THREE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING HERE. WE TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN IN THIS IS MR. RALPH HOUSEBREAK HERE. WE'RE WORKING WITH HIM. HE HAS SOME CONCERNS WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE LATER ON. HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF OUR HOME. THE X AND START IS WHERE THE WELL AND SEPTIC IS. AS YOU CAN SEE , THE HOME DID NOT ABSORB -- TODAY. THIS IS FROM 1945. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A SMALL MOBILE HOME , MAYBE 14 BY 44.

THEY WANTED TO LOOK LIKE A HOUSE WE WOULD ATTACH A CARPORT AND PROBABLY A SMALL -- WE JUST HAD A SURVEY AND A TOPOGRAPHICAL DONE. WE WANT EVERYTHING TO BE WARM, SAFE, DRY, AND COMPATIBLE FOR OUR DAUGHTER. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS VARIOUS USES THAT THERE ARE MOBILE HOMES IN THE AREA . ON THE STREET, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM.

WE HAVE SOME OF THE STORAGE LOT. THERE IS ALSO A COUPLE OF ILLNESSES , AREA CHURCHES, AND SCHOOLS. THE COURTESY GAS, TRADING COMPANY. AND JUST ON THE TRADING COMPANY, THERE IS A STORAGE . AND WE HAVE ST. JOSEPH'S ACADEMY A COUPLE OF

BLOCKS AWAY. >> WE WANT TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. WE DESIRE TO BE AN ASSET FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

OUR DAUGHTER IS GOING TO LIVE THERE. WE DO WANT ANY NEIGHBORHOOD PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. WE WANT A NICE WARM, SAFE, AND DRY FOR OUR DAUGHTER WHERE SHE CAN GET A MORTGAGE AND LIVE HER BEST LIFE. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE WELCOMING OF HER AS WELL. I THINK -- THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT BUT I SINCERELY HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER OUR REQUEST.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? SAY NONE, IS THERE A

MOTION? >> MADAM CHAIR, COULD I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION IN RELATION TO AN EMAIL WE RECEIVED ABOUT THIS PROJECT? I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE NEIGHBOR

YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> IF I COULD MAYBE ASK, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE THE RIGHT PERSON TO ASK THE QUESTION WAS REFERRING TO PERSONAL -- THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. THAT GOES TO THE -- IS THAT FOR US? OR THE

FACULTY OR ANOTHER AGENCY? >> IT GOES TO THE STATE HEALTH

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DEPARTMENT. THEY WILL LOOK AT THE LOT. THEY WILL DO A SITE PLAN AND A REVIEW.

THEY WILL REVIEW THAT SITE PLAN. AND IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WHERE THE SEPTIC TANK NEEDS TO BE SITUATED, THEY WILL CERTAINLY LET THE APPLICANT KNOW AT THAT TIME.

>> SO THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS WITH THE ADDRESSED ?

>> HE IS CONCERNED IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE SEPTIC.

>> AS ALWAYS. WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT AS WELL.

>> OUR ESTIMATE IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED BUT WE WILL HAVING PROFESSIONALS WORK ON THIS.

>> I WANTED TO RAISE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY

OBJECTION I SAW. THANK YOU. >> IF IT IS REPLACED, ONLY TO BE REPLACED WITHIN THE PROPER SETBACKS AND REGULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> YEAH, AND THE OTHER

DISCUSSION? >> GO AHEAD.

[3. ZVAR 2024-02 Barnea Fence. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section 2.02.04.B.12 of the Land Development Code to allow for a fence height of eight (8) feet in lieu of the four (4) foot maximum height requirement on the frontage of SR 13 N, specifically located at 12 State Road 13.]

>> MOTION TO APPROVE THE USE PERMIT 2024-01 .

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING IT ON, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES.

>> THANK YOU SINCERELY. >> THANK YOU.

>> ONTO ITEM NUMBER THREE. >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. I DID A

SITE VISIT TO THIS PROPERTY. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM HERE TODAY SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL FOR A FENCE HEIGHT. LOCATED AT NUMBER 12 STATE ROAD 13.

I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU A POWERPOINT . I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CYNTHIA MAE WHO ASSISTED ME WITH THAT.

SO MY REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCES . ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE HIGH LEVEL OF NOISE THAT IS THERE. RANGING ANYWHERE FROM THE MID-60S TO THE LOW 80S AND DECIBELS. I ALSO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SECURITY. I HAVE HAD BREAK-INS BY THE HOMELESS . I WILL SHOW YOU WHERE MY PROPERTY IS LOCATED. THE HOMELESS MANY TIMES UNFORTUNATELY UNDER THE BRIDGE. I'VE HAD THE POLICE, NUMBER OF TIMES. I WILL SHOW YOU A MESSAGE, AN EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM THE POLICE, RECOMMENDING I PUT IN A HIGH FENCE. ALSO, THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY OF THAT LOCATION , MY PROPERTY SITS ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO SIX FEET BELOW THE LEVEL OF THE ROADWAY. I THINK THE MAP OF THE COUNTY SHOWS THAT. SO LET'S MOVE ALONG.

MY PLAN IS TO , THERE IS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED. YOU CAN SEE IT IS NEXT TO THE BRIDGE.

>> MY PLAN IS A REQUEST FOR THE FENCE , WOODEN FENCE. I THINK I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE. THERE IT IS. IT IS TO RUN PARALLEL TO THE ROADWAY. THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE I NEED THE FENCE TO RUN NEXT TO THE ROADWAY. THAT IS TO HELP ME WITH THE SECURITY, THE BREAK-INS. TO HELP WITH THE NOISE. THE VISUAL EYESORE OF THE PROPERTY BEING SO LOW ON THE ROAD. THE REGULAR FOUR FOOT FENCE WOULD NOT BE ADEQUATE TO HELP ME WITH WHAT I NEED. I NEED TO STOP THE NOISE POLLUTION AND THE EYESORE OF THE ROADWAY ELEVATED NEXT MY PROPERTY.

AND THE BREAK-IN AND THEFT. I HAD A BOAT TRAILER STOLEN . THE HOUSE WAS BROKEN INTO. I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE TO SECURE THE PROPERTY FOR ME TO GET THEM OUT . I WAS AFRAID THEY WERE GOING TO TURN INTO SQUATTERS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE EXPERIENCED HERE.

THERE IS A CLOSER LOOK. I WANT THE FENCE TO RUN PARALLEL TO STATE ROAD 13. A WOODEN FENCE. THE MAJORITY OF THE FENCE, BY THE WAY, HE WILL BE HIDDEN BEHIND TREES THAT BELONG TO THE STATE. THEY RUN PARALLEL . I HAVE A PICTURE HERE TO SHOW YOU. THERE ARE THE TREES. YOU CAN SEE THE MAJORITY OF FENCE

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WILL BE HIDDEN.

THE OFFENSE ITSELF, I AM GOING TO PLACE 40 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY. IT IS PRETTY FAR IN. I WANT TO SHOW YOU , THE GENTLEMAN STANDING THERE, HIS NAME IS ELLIE. HE IS MY GUARD UP. HE IS ACTUALLY 6'2". YOU CAN SEE HOW LOW MY PROPERTY IS COMPARED TO THE ROADWAY ACROSS AND THE EXTENSIVE TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE. THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT IS THE TRASH THAT GETS BLOWN IN BY THE CARS AS THEY ARE ZIPPING BY MY PROPERTY.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES HERE THAT I PUT INTO THIS POWERPOINT HERE. I RUN , MY PROPERTY IS PARALLEL TO THE ROADWAY . THAT IS STATE ROAD 13. THE STREET ELEVATION IS MUCH HIGHER THAN MY PROPERTY. THE FENCE WILL BE 40 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY. THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, MR. POGUE, HAS STATED THEY HAVE NO ISSUES RIGHT NOW WITH PUTTING UP A FENCE. IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE ROADWAY AT ALL.

I HAVE A LETTER HERE I WILL SHOW YOU FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, RECOMMENDING A SECURITY FENCE. I WILL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE, FROM MY DECIMETER I HAVE. SOME OF THE MEASUREMENTS I GOT STANDING ON MY PROPERTY AND THE CARS ZIPPING BY. I WAS REGISTERING IN THE 60S TO LOW 80S. THE NOISE LEVEL.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY I AM ASKING FOR A VARIANCE OF THE FENCE HEIGHT. THE FOUR FOOT WOULD NOT HELP ME SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP TODAY. THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING FOR THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE READ BY THE WAY, THE ONLY NEIGHBOR I HAVE THAT IS ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY, HE HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH IT. I HAVE HIS EMAIL SAYING HE HAS NO ISSUES WITH IT. AS A MATTER OF FACT , HE PUT UP AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ALSO TO BLOCK THE NOISE FROM HIS PROPERTY. HE IS MY NEIGHBOR. SO LET ME SHOW YOU. THIS IS THE LETTER. THIS IS THE LETTER FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. CAN YOU SEE THAT? THAT IS FOR THE ISSUE OF SAFETY I DISCUSSED WITH YOU. THE HOME FROM UNDER THE BRIDGE AND COMING ONTO MY PROPERTY. OKAY.

THIS IS MY ONLY NEIGHBOR. AND HERE HE AGREES IT WOULD BE GOOD TO PUT UP A FENCE. HE IS THE OWNER NEXT DOOR TO ME.

OKAY. THIS IS THE EMAIL FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. I SENT THEM A REQUEST . HERE IS MY REQUEST TO THEM. IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS REGARDING PUTTING UP A FENCE ON MY PROPERTY NEXT TO THE STATE ROAD 13. THIS IS MR. POGUE RESPONDED THAT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION NOT IMPACT I HAVE PART OF THIS SHOW AND TELL. YOU CAN SEE HERE , HERE IS THE PICTURE. THERE WE GO. I DECIMETER. THERE IS THE ROADWAY ABOVE . YOU SEE THE CARS ZIPPING BY PIT I HOPE YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE METER IS REGISTERING. IT IS IN THE 70S.

HERE ARE A COUPLE MORE. THERE IS 67. THERE IS 75. THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THE LEVEL OF NOISE OF THE CONSTANT TRAVEL ZIPPING BY MY DRIVEWAY. I WANT TO -- I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU

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FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CYNTHIA MAE FOR HELPING WITH THE POWERPOINT . ARE THERE ANY

CLARIFICATIONS OR QUESTIONS? >> YES BUT I BELIEVE A COUPLE

OF QUESTIONS. >> DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK?

>> I WONDER WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG TO COME HERE AND ASK FOR THIS? PROPERTY LINE IS 27 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY? IS THAT CORRECT?

>> NO. I SAID I WANT TO PUT UP THE FENCE AT 40 FEET FROM THE

ROADWAY. >> GREAT WHAT YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS 27 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY. IS THAT RIGHT? YOU

SHOWED A SLIDE >> YOU MAY BE RIGHT BUT I DO NOT REMEMBER EXACTLY BECAUSE IT WAS AN EASEMENT OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT HAS A VERY WIDE EASEMENT. MY PROPERTY DOES NOT START RIGHT BY THE ROADWAY. IT STARTS WAY BACK.

>> WELL, MY POINT IS THAT IF YOUR PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY STARTING 27 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE EASEMENT IS A DISLOCATED. I'M SURE IT IS BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND YOUR PROPERTY.

I DO NOT THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO SACRIFICE 13 FEET OF YOUR PROPERTY AND PUT THE FENCE 40 FEET FROM THE ROAD. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU PUT IT 27 FEET FROM THE ROAD ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE. WHY SACRIFICE 13 FEET OF YOUR PROPERTY?

>> WELL, LISTEN.

I UNDERSTAND. I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION IS WELL TAKEN. I REALLY WANT TO PUT THE FENCE WHERE IT DOES NOT BOTHER ANYBODY BUT IT SERVES THE PURPOSES OF THE REASONS WHY I AM ASKING FOR THIS. THE NOISE POLLUTION AND THE VISUAL WITH

THE ROADWAY. >> I GOT IT. YOU CONVINCED ME FOR I AM FOR A -- I AM ALL FOR IT.

WILL VOTE FOR THIS. >> OKAY. I DID A SITE VISIT OUT THERE AND I DROPPED YOUR DRIVER BUT I DID NOT TRESPASS ONTO YOUR PROPERTY. I WAS READY FOR YOU TO START GETTING THE FENCE BUT IT WAS SO NOISY AND THERE WAS TRASH EVERYWHERE BUT I FULLY PLAN ON SUPPORTING THIS PROPOSAL.

>> GREG MATOVINA? >> THERE EVERY DAY. BACK AND FORTH TO THE OFFICE. ONE QUESTION I HAVE. THERE IS A GAP IN THE VEGETATION --

>> AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DRIVEWAY. IT DROPS DOWN FROM THE STREET. A WOODEN GATE, A DOUBLE GATE. TURNING EDWARDS.

THE GATE IS ABOUT 40 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY .

>> THE GATE WILL BE IN LINE WITH THE FENCE?

>> YES, CORRECT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON

[4. NZVAR 2023-24 Lowes Signs (Beachwalk) Twin Creeks. Request for a Non-Zoning Variance to Section G.4.2 of the Unified Sign Plan for New Twin Creeks PUD Ordinance 2015-52, as amended, to allow 1,357.65 square feet of total Advertising Display Area (ADA) for the Lowe's building wall signage in lieu of the maximum 200 square feet of signage per business, and to allow 1,159.66 square feet of ADA for a single sign in lieu of the maximum 150 square feet of ADA for the primary Lowe's building sign, specifically located at 87 Beachwalk Boulevard, Saint Johns.]

ITEM NUMBER THREE? SEEING NONE , WE WILL GO TO THE AGENCY FOR

SUBMISSION. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2024-02 NERI BENJAMIN BARNEA FENCE . AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> I HEAR A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE . THAT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, ALL. >> ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AGENCY

MEMBERS? >> ADAM CHAIR , I DROVE BY THE

SITE AND TOOK A LOOK. >>

>> I AM DRIVEN BY THE SITE.

-- I WORK AT 1077 WEST BLUE HERON BOULEVARD IN WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA. I AM REPRESENTING LOWES. WE ARE REQUESTING A NON-ZONING VARIANCE. WE ARE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ALLOW EACH TO HAVE A SIGN IDENTIFYING ENTRANCES AND ALLOWING SQUARE FOOTAGE TO INCREASE THE SIGN EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PARCEL. A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. IN 1921 BUILDING MATERIALS. IN 1946 , -- WAS BORN. A DRAMATIC

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INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION AFTER WORLD WAR TWO. REFOCUSES ON HOME IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. IN 1952 , OWNERSHIP. IN 1961, THERE WAS A -- THEY BECAME A PUBLIC COMPANY. THEY ENTERED THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE. IN 1981, I'M SORRY. IN 1981 , THEY WERE ON THE LONDON STOCK EXCHANGE. IN 1995 , THEY INAUDIBLE ] AND REVENUE.

IN 2021 , THAT MARKED 100 YEARS OF SERVICE. IN 1921 , THAT IS WHAT THE STORY LOOKS LIKE. -- HARDWARE. TODAY, LIKE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING , THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. THE ABILITY TO STATES. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THIS VERY LONG. BUT THEY GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY EACH YEAR. THEY HAVE -- THEY COMPLETE 1800 IMPACT PROJECTS, INCLUDING NEARLY 17 HOMETOWN HERO PROJECTS. EACH PROJECT RECEIVES FINANCIAL SUPPORT AND VOLUNTEER SUPPORT FROM LOWE'S ASSOCIATES . MAKING IMPROVEMENT THAT HELPS LOCAL AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. MORE THAN ONE .3 MILLION PEOPLE ANTICIPATED TO BENEFIT. WITHIN A YEAR OF COMPLETION. AND THEY ALSO , THIS IS MORE OF THEM GIVING BACK. THIS IS -- TOGETHER. HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

THE MOST VALUABLE NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS AMERICA . AS A HOME IMPROVEMENT RETAILER , WE NEED TO ADDRESS ISSUES. JUST OFFER FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS.

RECEIVE ACROSS OUR NATION. 300,000 ASSOCIATES THROUGHOUT 1700 STORES. SOTO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY. THE SITE IS WITHIN ORDINANCE. THE PARCEL IS 7.66 ACRES WITH A TOTAL SPACE OF 136843 . THE BUILDING IS SET BACK 517 FEET FROM THE ROAD.

-- CODE SECTION CAPITAL G4 TO OF THE SITE PLAN ] ALLOWS 1.5 WITH THE MAXIMUM FOOTAGE OF ] NOT TO EXCEED A MAXIMUM OF 200 -- LOWE'S HAS 613 FEET BEFORE THE WALL AREA OF 17,590 . THEY ARE REQUESTING 1357.65 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE, WITH EXCEPTION TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 200 SQUARE FEET. THE WAY IT BREAKS DOWN IS, IT IS GOING TO BE 1159.66 LINEAR FEET . THAT IS ENCOMPASSING THE OUTLINE. THE ORDER OF THE WALL. THE ACTUAL IDEA OF THE SIGN IS NOT THAT LARGE. IT IS 300. BUT IT IS NOT -- THE SIGN. IT IS ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS A BORDER AROUND IT

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ARE PROPOSING -- SQUARE FEET. 74 SQUARE FEET. THERE ARE THREE SIGNS AND REQUESTING EXCEPTION OF -- SIGN AREA. THAT IS 1357.65 SQUARE FEET.

SQUARE FEET. MAKING THIS REQUEST WITH THE SQUARE FOOT IS BECAUSE WE ARE CONCERNED WITH VISIBILITY WITHIN 0517 SETBACK. ALSO, THE OUTPOSTS THAT WILL BE BUILT ON THE FACILITY AS WELL. WE ALSO WANT TO STAY TRUE TO THE BRANDING.

ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, THE LOWE'S SIGN WOULD NOT BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THE 150 SQUARE FEET. SIGN TWO. THE CENTER AREA FOLLOWED BY CODE.

AND SIGN TWO AND FOUR ARE THE SAME. ALLOWED WITHIN THE REGULATIONS -- SQUARE FEET. THIS IS A COMPARISON FROM HOME DEPOT AND LOWE'S. HOME DEPOT WAS IMPROVED THROUGH A NON-ZONING VARIANCE. THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE TOTAL BUILDING LENGTH ARE SIMILAR . I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THIS IS A LOVELY RETAIL LOCATION WITH MULTIPLE SERVICES. ENFORCING THE REGULATIONS OF THE FOOTAGE TO THE -- TAKEN AWAY FROM THE SIZE. INAUDIBLE ] THE SERVICES THEY OFFER. IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING , IT IS UP AT 517 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY. THIS WOULD LIMIT HIS ABILITY FROM THE ROADWAY WITHOUT PARCEL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE CODE. FULL TRAFFIC AND PARKING. WE ARE REQUESTING -- EFFECTIVELY. THE SIGN STANDARDS AND BRAND ARE MEANT TO BE RECOGNIZED AND INTEGRATED INTO THE DESIGN. INAUDIBLE ] SIMILAR BUSINESSES. I'VE ALREADY SHOWED YOU HOME DEPOT.

THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO DEVELOP ESTABLISHMENT. AND REQUESTING APPROVAL TO ENFORCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HOPEFULLY I DID THAT QUICK ENOUGH.

>> YOU DID IT. THANK YOU. DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK, ANY

QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT LOWE'S IS A GREAT PARTNER WITH COMMUNITIES AND HELPING WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND OTHER ASSETS YOU SHOWED. I SHOP AT LOWE'S. I LIKE LOWE'S. THEY ARE A GREAT BUSINESS . I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT LOWE'S TODAY I DID NOT KNOW. I HAVE VOTED AGAINST OTHER REALLY LARGE SIGNS THAT VIOLATE THE ST. JOHNS DEVELOPMENT CODE ORDINANCE. BUT WAS LOWE'S AWARE OF THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ORDINANCE ON SIGNAGE PRIOR TO

STARTING CONSTRUCTION? >>

>> I LIKE YOUR LOGO. IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE AND THE ROOF . THE BRANDING IS IMPORTANT. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY A SEVENFOLD INCREASE IN THE ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA. THAT IS SEVEN TIMES. 1358? YEAH, 1358 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA AS OPPOSED TO THE 200. AND 1160, I THINK, FOR THE ONE SIGN. AND

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150 IS ACTUALLY THE SQUARE FEET THAT IS THE ALLOWABLE LIMIT.

I JUST, I HAVE A HARD TIME APPROVING A GIANT SIGN RIGHT THERE. NEAR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

A LARGE SIGN WILL HELP IMPROVE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC PARKING.

>> SO ASSIGN, SAY 500 SQUARE FEET ?

ACTUALLY 328 SQUARE FEET. >> THE LETTERS WRITTEN OUT THE

SIGN. >> THE OUTLINE. THE ACTUAL SIGN IS 328 FEET. IT IS NOT THAT LARGE. IT IS LETTERS THEMSELVES REPRESENT.

ISN'T THERE GOING TO BE A MONUMENT SIGN RAID ON THAT ROAD

ALSO? A MONUMENT SIGN? >> I DO NOT HAVE ANY

ATTRACTIVE ELEMENTS. >> WEATHERBY ALL PULL SIGN WITH OTHER BUSINESSES? SO IT WOULD HAVE LOWE'S RIGHT THERE

ON THE ROAD? >>

>> THE FIRST TIME I READ THAT. >>

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE APPLICATION. I COULD CERTAINLY BE WRONG. IT WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TIME. NOR THE LAST.

>> I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT SUCH A LARGE SIGN. I'VE HAD OTHER ONES I VOTED AGAINST I THOUGHT WERE TOO LARGE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS ONE. ALTHOUGH I DO LIKE LOWE'S AND I ENJOY THEIR BUSINESS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SHOP THERE.

>> THE BRANDING RIGHT THERE. I WOULD'VE PREFERRED YOU DO THE BRANDING AND BUILD IT SMALLER.

YOU. >> YES, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THE SITE PLANS WE HAVE TODAY DO NOT SHOW THERE IS ANY SIGN PROPOSED FOR -- AT ALL. THE SIGN YOU'RE REFERRING TO WOULD BE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PLAZA. THAT IS OFF OF -- YOU HAVE TO TURN THE CORNER TO SEE THE SIGN AT ALL.

>> BUT THERE WOULD BE A MONUMENT SIGN. OFF TO 10?

>> INCORRECTLY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? IS THERE ANY PENDING AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? IF SO, COME FORWARD.

AND I AM WITH -- A MAJORITY OF BEACHFRONT COMMUNITY . WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN. I HAVE A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL COMPROMISE I CAN OFFER LOWE'S BUT THE DEVELOPER RECENTLY DEEDED OVER A PARCEL OF LAND TO ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT IS ZONE FOUR SIGNAGE ALONG THE I-4 CORRIDOR THAT WILL GIVE YOU MORE VISIBILITY THAN PUTTING IT IN AN OBVIOUS LOCATION WE WILL SEE THE HUGE LOWE'S ANYWAY THAT YOU CANNOT MISS REGARDLESS OF THE SITE BUT I THINK I CAN WORK OFF CHANNEL WITH THEM AND ALSO GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT WILL GIVE THEM POTENTIALLY MORE VISIBILITY. PEOPLE DRIVING 95 SOUTH INTO SAINT AUGUSTINE DID NOT NORMALLY KNOW THERE WAS A LOWE'S ON THAT EXIT. I WOULD NOT. SO THEY WOULD, BASED ON THE COMMUNITY -- BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD A WHOLE LOT OF TIME FROM WHEN WE GOT THE NOTIFICATION TO HAVE ACTUAL BOARD MEETINGS. BUT SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS, THEY HAVE REACH OUT TO US AND ASKED US TO KIND OF SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF THAT I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. I DO HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR THE SITE THAT MAY BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. DOING THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. THAT'S ALL.

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>> YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THIS PROPOSAL OUT THERE TODAY FOR US TO VOTE ON THE LANGUAGE? OTHERWISE, WE ARE VOTING ON IS WHAT IS BEFORE US. WE CANNOT CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT BEING PART OF THE RECORD .

PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO ERECT THE SIGN IN OUR PROPERTY. WE COULD BRING IN THAT PERMIT IN OUR PROGRAM. WE WOULD GRANT THEM THE EASEMENT TO OUR PROPERTY. FOR A FEE, A MONTHLY RENTAL FEE. THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE ASSOCIATION BUT THEY WOULD HAVE

TO MAINTAIN THE SIGN >> THIS TO BE ALONG THE 95

CORRIDOR? >> IT WOULD BE PERTINENT

INAUDIBLE ] >> LOWE'S IS ALREADY AGREED

TO THIS? >> NO, THEY DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS IS AN THERE BUT IF THIS GETS CANCELED, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY. AS FAR AS THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION , THEY

WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS EXCEPTION. >> OKAY, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR CONCERN.

THERE WERE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT SPOKE OUT AGAINST IT. I'M GOING TO STILL VOTE AGAINST IT. I AM PRETTY SURE , PRETTY, PRETTY SURE IT IS GOING TO PASS. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT MY VOTE . BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENT? SIR, PLEASE COME UP.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> COOPER, 36 -- WAY . I AM PROBABLY THE CLOSEST RESIDENT TO THE LOWE'S. I AM THE REASON BUSINESS . BE CONSISTENT . OUT TOWARD HILTON HEAD. IT IS ALL VERY CONSISTENT HOW THEY DO IT. YOU CAN SEE SIGNS ] TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY WANT TO SHOP. YOU CAN SPEAK TO YOUR PHONE. I THINK LOWE'S IS AN EYESORE. SHOULD BE SHOT AND TARRED AND FEATHERED. WITH WHAT IS GOING ON NOW, IT IS OVER THERE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS BE CONSISTENT AND STICK WITH THE RULES AS THEY ARE. WHATEVER THE RULES ARE , WE SHOULD NOT BE ENTERTAINING CHANGES OR VARIANCES. THAT IS WHY YOU GUYS MADE RULES . YOU MADE RULES TO FOLLOW THEM.

I DON'T KNOW . I DO NOT UNDERSTAND DEVELOPERS. INAUDIBLE ] YOU'RE KIND OF CRAPPING ON THE HOMEOWNERS. IT SHOULD NOT BE IN OUR COMMUNITY OR ON BEACH WALK BOULEVARD. IT CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE -- THERE SHOULD NOT BE THOUSAND SQUARE-FOOT SCIENCE VERSUS THE LIST 200 FOOT THICK WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND STICK WITH THE RULES. STOP BREAKING THE STATUS QUO. DO YOUR JOB. YOUR JOB.

WHATEVER THE PUBLIC SIGN IS SHOULD BE --

>> IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE INAUDIBLE ] IF YOU WANT TO ADD OR RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS?

>> I DO NOT THINK IT IS AN EYESORE.

NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS IT IS NOT 1000 SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT BEING ILLUMINATED FROM THE SIGN. IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE

>> THANK YOU. MR. GREEN? >> THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS OFF OF BEACH WALK . THERE IS ALSO A RIGHT IN AFTER 210 ?

>> YES . >> IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT INAUDIBLE ] I AM LOOKING AT A LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER. I SEE IT LOOKS LIKE WHERE THEY HAVE GOT A LITTLE BEACH WALK.

INAUDIBLE ] CORRECT? THE SETBACK INCLUDES THE PARKING LOT AND THE SPACE IN FRONT .

>> YES. >> YEAH, OKAY.

>> THIS IS A COMMENT. I CAN MAKE IT AFTER A MOTION IS MADE.

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OKAY. >> OKAY, WE ARE BACK TO THE

AGENCY FOR EYE MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NZV AR 2023-24 LOWE'S SIGNS BEACH WALK.

>> I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. >> ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENT? THESE KIND OF REQUESTS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THE SIGNS ARE VARIOUS BUSINESSES THAT EXCEED THE ORDINANCE ON ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY COMMISSION CHANGE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

I ASSUME THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CAN DO THAT. CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. I WOULD PREFER TO HANDLE IT THAT WAY. THERE SEEMS TO BE A NEED FOR IT NOW. EVERYTHING IS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER. PEOPLE WANT LARGER AND LARGER AND LARGER SIGNS. I AM STILL GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. I WANT TO SEE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE.

THAN OUR DECISION. THANK YOU. >> MADAM CHAIR, MAY I COMMENT BEFORE YOU VOTE? WITH RESPECT TO DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK'S COMMENT, WE COULD BE DIRECTED TO GET OUR SIGN WE COULD DO THAT. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE VARIANCE YOU'RE HEARING TODAY IS TO THE UNIFIED SIGN PLAN UP TO INCREASE TO DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES AT THE PUD TIME CAME IN . THEY DEVELOPED THEIR OWN SIGN PLANE. THAT IS WHAT

THIS IS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUICK -- GREAT CLARIFICATION.

>> MR. GREEN? >> I HEAR THE NEIGHBOR.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE SIZE AND MASS OF THE BUILDING. I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO PUT WORDS IN A SMALL FOR THAT IS WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE UP HERE TO DO. I LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT BACKS UP TO THE RETENTION POND . IT IS PRETTY BIG.

IT IS A BIG BUILDING. I SAID IT IS A NORMAL SIZE THAT WE SEE OF ALL LOWE'S. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS .

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE. I AM NOT OFFENDED. I TAKE OFFENSE FOR MY FELLOW MEMBERS APPEAR TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND ARE ACCUSED OF TAKING A PAYOFF FROM THE DEVELOPER. THIS IS NOT AN ELECTED POSITION. THIS IS A

[5. PUD 2023-21 Bella Terra. A request to rezone approximately 37.73 acres of land from Open Rural (OR), Commercial General (CG) and Commercial Intensive (CI) with conditions to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum of 155 single family dwelling units; specifically located at 150 Bella Terra Drive, 4855 Winton Circle, 4565 US Hwy 1 South, and two unaddressed parcels on US Hwy 1 South]

VOLUNTEER POSITION. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO THAT IS WANT TO POINT OUT THAT GRANT AND GRANT IS PART OF -- IT IS WRITTEN

INTO THE CODE. >> IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION,

>> THANK YOU.

AGENCY MEMBERS. >> YES, MADAM CHAIR. THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IS RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOME. I HAVE QUITE A FEW ME BECOMING A -- MEMBER. ON SEPTEMBER 5TH AND OCTOBER 4TH.

SEPTEMBER 10TH. AND THEN I BECAME A MEMBER AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF MY NEIGHBORS AND EMAILS DISCUSSING THE PLAN AND THE IMPACTS. THE ADJUSTMENTS MADE TO THE PLAN TO BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, COUPLE OF COMMUNICATIONS

ELSE? ALL RIGHT. >> AND A SITE VISIT, OF COURSE.

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, DOUG BURNETT SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. LET ME START BY SAYING THAT JAMES SOMERSET IS HERE WITH ME . I WILL COME BACK TO HIM IN A MINUTE. ALSO -- WHO IS A PROJECT ENGINEER . HE IS ALSO

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HERE. I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THEM UNTIL YOU THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE AS WELL. I WILL GO THROUGH THIS IN MORE DETAIL. LET ME TELL YOU THAT FROM WHERE THIS PROJECT CAME FORWARD COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT APPLICANT . THE RELATION TO THE HOME PICKING THROUGH A YEAR AGO. IT WAS PROPOSING APARTMENTS ON THIS SITE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID BEFORE FILING THIS APPLICATION WAS WE WENT AND MET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS OF ASPREY LANDING. JUDY SPIEGEL AND HER HUSBAND WANTED US TO -- AND HEAR THEIR CONCERNS I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW WE ADDRESSED WHAT WE THINK ARE THE CONCERNS, AT LEAST THE BIG ONES.

JUST ORIENTING YOU TO GENERALLY WHERE IT IS LOCATED. ON THE COUNTY MAP, IT IS PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IT IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MIDWAY BETWEEN -- DRIVE AND WATSON ROAD. YOU CAN SEE HER ON THE LOCATION MAP, THE AERIAL MAP.

TAKING A LOOK AT IT IN RELATION TO THE AREA. I WANT TO POINT OUT VERY BRIEFLY, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY OWNERS. YOU HAVE THE JERRY FAMILY . YOU CAN SEE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP THERE.

I WILL SKIP AND YOU CAN SEE MR. AND MR. -- YOU CAN SEE MR. RANDOLPH HEATH. THEY ARE ONE ENTITY FROM THERE IS -- LLC IS A COMPANY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THIS PROJECT. THAT IS NOT PART OF THE PRIOR APPLICATION.

SPECIFICALLY AN ENTITY BY THE ROAD. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT POINT THIS OUT. JOHN, PAUL, AND KEITH. A PIECE OF HISTORY FOR YOU BUT IT IS IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH WILL ALLOW UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE. I THINK THAT IS WHY YOU SAW PRIOR APARTMENT COMPLEX ATTEMPT TO GO IN THIS PROPERTY.

FROM THE ZONING STANDPOINT, IT IS CURRENTLY OR. IT IS PRIMARILY OR FOR LOOKING BACK AT THE AERIAL, JUST TO LOCATE A LITTLE CLOSER AS TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THAT AREA. YOU HAVE THE MAYO CLINIC OFFICE LOCATION ON U.S.-1 SOUTH. HAVE THE BANK AND THE CLASSIC CM -- MUSEUM. AND ASPREY LANDING .

THE ENTRANCE THERE OFF OF THE ROAD COMING UP TOWARD THE PROPERTY. YOU HAVE GOT A MOBILE HOME PARK AND FINALLY, SOUTH IS THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE LOCATION THAT FRONTS U.S.-1.

SKIPPING PAST THIS. THIS IS THE PRIOR SITE OF APARTMENTS BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCES. THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN UP IT IS ALL SINGLE-FAMILY PRODUCT. SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL WHEN THIS WENT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION BEFORE, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS IN CONVERSATION ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE DENSITY OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY AND 150 UNITS. WE ARE NOW COMING BACK AND WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEVELOPER.

IT IS 651 ACRES LARGER. IT HAS 155 UNITS. SO A LITTLE OF WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. THAT IS THE PROPERTY , LOOSELY HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW FOR YOU. YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATE INCREASE AS WELL WITH THE

PROJECT. >> AS I POINTED OUT , WE MET WITH THE FOLKS AT ASPREY LANDING AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT THEY HAVE FOUR MAIN REQUESTS . ONE THING IS THEY WANTED AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON A -- SEPARATING THE PROPERTIES. YOU TAKE A CLOSE UP LOOK AT THE MAP, WE HAVE A COLOR ON THERE FOR THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. WE HAVE MARKED WHERE THAT FENCE WOULD BE LOCATED. ADDITIONALLY, A SECOND REQUEST WAS RELATED TO TWO STORY HOMES ON THE LOTS THAT WERE BACKING UP TO GREENVILLE LANE. SO THE MAP OF THIS LOCATION WHERE HE WOULD HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY. THAT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT -- TO THE NORTH. TO THE SOUTH , THERE IS AN EXISTING HOPPER THAT BUTTS UP TO AN AREA WHERE WE

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WILL HAVE RECREATION THERE. THERE IS OVER A 63 FOOT SPECIMEN TREE. WE ALSO HAD A REQUEST TO INCREASE THE BUFFER.

TO MAKE IT MORE SIGNIFICANT. WE DID TWO THINGS IN THAT REGARD. ONE. OBVIOUSLY, A COLOR ON THE MDP MAP THAT WE HAVE THE BUFFER SHOWN THERE. AND ALSO AS FOR THE 63 INCH TREE, WE HAVE GOT THE AREA WHERE IT WILL BE PRESERVED. I WANT TO PUT A LOGO APPEAR FOR THE HOMES TO POINT OUT SOMETHING. I THINK THIS IS SIGNIFICANT FOR YOU. SPECIMEN TREES ARE SOMETHING THAT -- HAS EXPERIENCE WITH IT IN OUR COUNTY BUT IF YOU GO TO HERITAGE OAKS WHICH IS OFF OF -- YOU WILL SEE A COMMUNITY WITH TREES THROUGHOUT IT. THERE ARE SPECIMEN TREES WITH HOUSES PUT AROUND IT. IT IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR THEM BUT THIS IS WELL WITHIN THEIR WHEELHOUSE BUT ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS 20 FOOT OFF OF THE MDP FROM THE BUFFER . BUT THE EDITING AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE FENCE OUT OF THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT, WE PUT THE FENCE INTERNALLY AT THE 20 FOOT BUFFER. THAT WAY, THE HOMEOWNER WILL COME ALONG AND ULTIMATELY PURCHASE THESE LOTS. A FENCE WOULD STOP THEM FROM CUTTING INTO THE BUFFER. SO BY HAVING THE BUFFER OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE, THE HOPE IS THAT IF YOU PUT THE BLOOD FROM THE OUTSIDE, AND YOU TELL THEM IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER BACK THERE, THERE IS A LITTLE MORE ACCRETION OVER TIME. THAT ULTIMATELY GOES AWAY. SO HOPEFULLY, WITH THIS DESIGN, I SHOW YOU HOW IT REALLY COME INTO PLAY. YOU WILL SEE ON THE AERIAL. PINE TREES. THAT IS AN INTERESTING THING. IN OUR MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS , I WILL SHOW YOU THE VIEW IN A MOMENT BUT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CUT DOWN TWO PINE TREES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT TO THEIR COMMUNITY IN ASPREY LANDING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS YEAR, THERE ARE TREES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE LAKE. THERE ACTUALLY LARGELY PLANTED BY THE LANDING DEVELOPER THAT HAS THE BUFFER. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TWO PINE TREES AND ONE OF THOSE IS ACTUALLY HERE WITHIN OUR SITE. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE BRIANNE CARTER LOOK AT THOSE. THEY ARE HEALTHY. WE DESIGNED OUR COMMUNITY MAP TO IDENTIFY THEM THAT THERE -- TROOP MAKE SURE THEY REMAIN THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. THE OTHER DAY KEY IS, IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT THE PRIOR PROJECT VERSUS THIS PROJECT. THERE IS AN EXISTING MILITARY ACCESS ROAD. THAT IS HOW THE MEMBERS GO TO AND FROM THEIR PROPERTIES TO THIS ONE . THE ORIGINAL SITE DESIGN THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE APARTMENT DEVELOPER WAS TO HAVE THAT BE THE ACCESS. YOU CAN SEE LEFT TO RIGHT , ONE, YOU'LL NOTICE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN PROPERTY BY ADDING THE -- TO THE NORTH. AND ALSO BY ADDING -- IT AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE ACCESS TO THE NORTH. TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. I WILL SHOW YOU HOW THAT RELATES TO THE AERIAL. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING YOU WILL SEE. GOING FROM IS IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING YOU WILL SEE IN THIS PROJECT THAT IS CHANGE YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT NATALIE DEWEY ADD THE PART YELLOW, BUT WE ADD TO THE PARK READ. SO THE BELLA TERRA ACCESS POINT IS NOT EVEN CONNECTED TO THIS APPLICATION. THERE IS NOT ANY CHANCE IT GETS CHANGED LATER.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE HER, THIS IS BELLA TERRA BUT YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE AERIAL WHERE COMES IN AND GOES INTO THE SITE IF YOU TAKE THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'LL NUMB WITH THE ACCESS TO THE NORTH. HOW HASN'T REALLY CHANGED? IF I ZOOM AND AND I TAKE THE APARTMENT PROJECT, I LAY IT IN . YOU CAN SEE IT'S ACCESS, IF YOU GO TO LEAVE, IT IS A RATING, RIGHT OUT. THERE IS NO CENTER OPEN. SO YOU ARE GOING TO, IF YOU GO TO LEAVE, YOU ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO TRAVEL SOUTH WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE INTERSECTION

OF -- ROAD. THE NEW DESIGN. >> THAT WILL MOVE THE ACCESS TO THE NORTH. SO YOU WILL OVERLAY THE NEW DESIGN INTO THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE NOW IN GREEN , THAT AREA IS NOT -- NOT PART OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE ACCESS IS REALLY FAR TO THE NORTH FROM THIS AREA. BUT WHAT THAT AFFORDS US TO DO IS TO HAVE VEHICLES LEAVE OUR SITE, CROSS OVER INTO THE LEFT CENTER TURN LANE THAT IS ALREADY THERE, ALREADY

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CONSTRUCTED, ALREADY IN PLACE. AND THEN IT WAS VEHICLES CAN TURN AND MAKE A TURNING MOTION TO GO NORTH. THEY CAN AVOID THE LOCKS ALONG THE U.S.-1 INTERSECTION. LOOKING AT THAT AS A BROADER PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR NORTH THAT CONNECTION WILL BE. NET EARNING MOVEMENT WILL BE. YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD WITH THE X, MOTORIST WILL NOT NEED TO GO TO -- ROAD TO DO IT. OBVIOUSLY, TRAFFIC HAS SUPMIN THE MOMENT IS COMING FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THIS CHANGE TO THE PROJECT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. YOU CAN AVOID INTERACTION WITH A LOT . LOOKING AT THE SITE. I THINK THAT IS MY LAST OVERVIEW. MY LAST OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.

IT HAS BEEN, I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BEFORE. IT HAS BEEN VERY WELL STUDIED AND ANALYZED. THE STORMWATER WENT IN A CIRCLE. WE UNDERSTAND THE VOTING THAT IS THERE. THAT WE WILL NEED TO PAY CLOSER ATTENTION TO OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. TO MAKE SURE IT IS DESIGNED TO DO WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. WE UNDERSTAND -- HAS A LOT OF CONSTERNATION WITH THE CIRCLE AND HOW THAT GOT PUT IN PLACE ORIGINALLY. A TEAM THAT RECOGNIZES AND UNDERSTANDS IT AND RESPONSE TO THE PROBLEM.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS . I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT. I HOPE I AVOIDED A LOT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES WE MADE AN CHANGING THE ACCESS.

>> THANK YOU, DOUG. ALWAYS A GOOD PRESENTATION. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE TRAFFIC FLOW CHANGE. MOVING THAT FURTHER NORTH. THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT. BUT I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THE U-TURNS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE. FOR EXAMPLE CONDOR -- UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION REVIEW, AND OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS, IT IS CASUALLY MENTIONED THIS ASTOUNDED ME. U-TURNS ARE ONE OF THE PRIMARY -- FOR SAMPLE, THE PROPOSED -- HAS ONE ACCESS TO U.S.-1 WITH RATING AND RIGHT OUT, WHICH IS GOOD. SO EXITING TRAFFIC CAN POTENTIALLY USE THE EXISTING LEFT TURN LANE LOCATED DIRECTLY TO MAKE U-TURNS . THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT IS MENTIONED. AT EXISTING DIRECTIONAL MEETING AND OPENINGS OF THE SOUTH, OR TRAVEL SOUTH AND MAKE A U-TURN AT THE SIGNALIZED U.S.-1 ROAD IN A SECTION THAT WE KNOW IS VERY DANGEROUS . HER PHONE, ENTERING TRAFFIC TO MAKE U-TURNS AT THE U.S.-1 -- THE PROJECT WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS LECTERN LANE CAPACITY AT U-TURN LOCATIONS ON U.S.-1 IN CONJUNCTION WITH -- I LOOKED UP ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS TRAFFIC MANEUVERS THAT DRIVERS UNDERTAKE.

THE NUMBER ONE WAS DRIVING STRAIGHT AHEAD, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

BUT LOOKING AT VARIOUS OTHER SOURCES, I NOTICED THE NUMBER ONE, OTHER THAN DRIVING STRAIGHT AHEAD, THE TRAFFIC MANEUVER IS A LEFT TURN. AND NUMBER FIVE IS MERGING WITH OTHER TRAFFIC. I WOULD SUBMIT , AND THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE CAN DECEIVE ME ON THIS, I WOULD SUBMIT THAT A U-TURN ENTAILS BOTH A LEFT TURN AND MERGING WITH OTHER TRAFFIC.

>> DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK? >> AND I CONTINUE? THANK YOU.

I WILL SUBMIT THAT A U-TURN INCORPORATES BOTH OF THOSE . A LEFT TURN AND MERGING WITH OTHER TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE PRETTY DANGEROUS . ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND IMPACT ANALYSIS OF THE PROPOSED 155 SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS . THAT IS GOING TO GENERATE 510 TRIPS, 150 -- TRIPS ONTO THE DIRECTLY ACCESSED ROADWAY SEGMENT .

THAT IS CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 98.8% CAPACITY BASED ON THE 2023 TRAFFIC. IT IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS DEFICIENT IN THE CURRENCY REVIEW AND 3.2% OF -- BASED ON COMMITTED TRAFFIC.

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WE'VE ALREADY GOT A DEFICIENT ROADWAY THERE. AND YOU ARE PROPOSING TO DUMP 1500 10 CARS OUT THERE PER DAY. MANY OF THEM POTENTIALLY MAKING U-TURNS. YOU SAID THAT YOURSELF. SO I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

I AM SURE WHO LIVES IN THERE NOW AND THAT PROPERTY DOES NOT WANT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC. SO THAT IS A CONCERN. YOU MENTIONED THE COMPATIBILITY BUT NOT MUCH. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS MY CONCERN BEFORE I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION?

>> >> THE MAIN THING I WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS IS SOMETIMES WE BELIEVE WE KNOW SOMETHING . WE BELIEVE WE KNOW THE ANSWER. AND WE CANNOT COMPREHEND, AND I'M GUILTY OF THIS AS ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE IN LIFE, RIGHT? WE ASSUME THINGS AND BELIEVE WE KNOW. I BELIEVED I KNEW WHAT YOU KNEW RELATED TO U-TURNS. I CAN TELL YOU 100% I AM CONFIDENT THAT FDOT BELIEVES U-TURNS ARE A SAFE MANEUVER.

A RECURRING THE REMOVAL OF SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS IN FAVOR OF THE -- WHICH ARE BASICALLY U-TURNS.

>> IN FAVOR OF WHAT? >> R-CUT .

>> THAT IS BASICALLY A U-TURN FOR THEY ARE SAYING A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION IS MORE BRISKLY AND CAUSES MORE FATALITIES THEN U-TURN MOVEMENTS WITH AN EARLY REMOVE

THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT U.S.-1? >> THEY WILL MOVE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO REMOVE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT

U.S.-1 AND OLD TO 10. >> THAT IS PRETTY FAR AWAY.

IT BE REMOVED FOR THE ARCHIVED TURNING MOVEMENT DATA THAT CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE PROPERTY SIX IS?

>> I U-TURN WITH THE LIGHT ? >> THERE IS AN ILLUSTRATION. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THEY REMOVING SIGNALS IN FAVOR OF THE R-CUT?

>> WILL, SIGNALS AS IN A FOUR WAY STOP .

>> OKAY. INTERESTING. BUT U-TURNS ARE SAFER TURNING

MOVEMENTS. INTERESTING. >> FOCUSED ON ONE VEHICLE.

>> DO NOT DRIVE STRAIGHT, WHATEVER YOU DO.

OKAY. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STILL. AND THE FACT THAT IT IS A DEFICIENT ROADWAY. IT IS ONLY GETTING WORSE WITH ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE, SOUTH OF -- CREEK.

EXCUSE ME. -- AIR CREEK. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF HOMES BEING BUILT DOWN OFF OF U.S.-1. I SEE THEM COMING NORTH ALL THE TIME. TRAFFIC IS GETTING WORSE WITH THOSE PEOPLE COMING UP TO SAINT AUGUSTINE TO SHOP, ET CETERA. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT , THE COST TO WIDEN U.S.-1. IT IS SUFFICIENT. THERE IS MERELY A $69 MILLION PRICE TAKE ON THREE SHORT SEGMENTS.

Y'ALL ARE GOING TO PAY JUST UNDER 5 MILLION PER THAT IS AROUND 7%. OTHERWISE, THERE IS NO COMMITMENTS FOR EXPLAINING .

NO COMMITMENTS ON ANOTHER. NO COMMITMENTS ON ANOTHER. THE CURRENT STANDARDS ON FUNDED , UNFUNDED, UNFUNDED. THAT 7%, I DO NOT EVEN THINK YOU CAN GET STARTED. PROBABLY WRONG BECAUSE I DO NOT NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT I DO NOT KNOW. SO LET ME TALK ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. AND ASK YOU THIS. I THINK THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA BASED ON THIS CHART IN OUR MATERIALS. YOUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS AT 4.25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THERE IS A VERY SMALL MOBILE HOME PARK. IT IS TUCKED DOWN ON THE NORTHERN PERIPHERY. THAT IS A 5.5 ACRE. SO COMPATIBLE WITH THAT. TO THE EAST, IT SAYS NOT AVAILABLE. NO INFORMATION.

FURTHER EAST, 3.67 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. OR THE ARBORS .

3.38 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THAT IS RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF U.S. 1. IF YOU GO SOUTH FROM THERE, IT IS 2.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT.

IF YOU GO WEST, OSPREY LANDING IS TO .3 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. WILDWOOD IS ONE .5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

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NEARLY THREE TIMES THAT. AND THERE ARE TWO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING. APPARENTLY, ONE IS FURTHER WEST. ONE IS CALLED SUCCESSION. THEY ARE GOING TO DO TWO UNITS , DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND -- ESTATES WILL DO ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THIS WHOLE PLAN GETS EVEN WORSE FOR COMPATIBILITY IN TERMS OF INTENSITY WE ARE SEEKING HERE. THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME.

I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. I DO NOT KNOW WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK AND WAIVER OR OPPOSE THIS. I HAVE CONCERNS ON TRAFFIC. AND COMPATIBILITY AS WELL. I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. FOR NOW, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE.

THAT'S ABOUT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

I'VE A FEW OTHER CONCERNS I MAY BRING UP LATER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I APPRECIATE IT.

SAY THANK YOU , COMMISSIONER, FOR COMING AND MEETING WITH US.

WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO FIX WHAT CAN BE FIXED. OF COURSE, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE. WE WILL PROBABLY ARE NOT IN SUCH A POSITION WILL BE DIRECTING -- A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THIS PROJECT. JUST LOOKING IN THE GENERAL AREA.

ANY TRAFFIC -- WILL KNOW ON MUCH OF THAT. IT CAN BE CONTROLLED BY CHANGING -- ANYWAY, I DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. YOU DID SAY IT THE SMALL DRAINAGE COMMENT THAT THE DRAINAGE BELT , IT REALLY D FILLED . IT WILL BE SHIFTED TO ANOTHER DRAINAGE PUMP OF THE TWO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY . IS

THAT CORRECT? >> YES. EVER HURT -- PERHAPS DURING REBUTTAL, WE WILL HAVE -- COME UP AND TALK .

>> I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT YOUR GENERAL -- WE HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. BUT WITH THE CIRCLE BEING RIGHT THERE. I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER PROJECTS I EITHER APPROVE OR DO NOT APPROVE, IT IS BECAUSE IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE NOW. NO, I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES OF A DECISION. YES , COULD YOU

ADDRESS THAT? >> YES. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER LICENSED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I WORK FOR -- AND ASSOCIATES SO -- EXCUSE ME. THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH , I WILL TRY NOT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL . IF I RAMBLE, PLEASE TELL ME. SERVICE BY -- THEY INTERCONNECT AND FLOW NORTH TO THAT SMALL KIND OF SHAPED AREA. AS AND PIPED EXCESSIVELY OUT TO U.S. 1 AND THEN OUT . IT APPEARS THAT STAGE IS HIGHER THAN SOME OF THOSE ROADWAYS. THAT IS A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN. THAT IS NOT A THING THAT SHOULD NEVER BE IGNORED AND IT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO THE COUNT THAT THERE IS NO DENYING THAT. WHAT WILL WILL DO WITH THE SITE PLAN -- ANY

OPPOSING? >>

>> CAN WE MOVE BACK TO THE POWERPOINT?

>> THERE WE GO. IS THAT FLOW , MOST LIKELY, THAT WILL BE INTERCONNECTED. YOU CAN SEE WE ARE STILL, THIS IS NOT FULLY ENGINEERED. ANALYSIS IS WE WOULD INTERCONNECT THESE. IT WOULD GIVE TREATMENT TO THIS SITE -- AN KENNY WAS THE

POINTER PLEASE SO WE CAN SEE? >> YES. WHERE GLENN IS TALKING, YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA HERE IS THE AREA WHERE, LOOSELY, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTS RIGHT NOW. SO THIS WOULD BE AN EASEMENT TO THIS. AND THIS LAKE CONNECTS TO THIS LAKE.

>> SO CURRENTLY, THE POND IS RIGHT HERE. THE OUTFALL COMES

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OUT OF THIS POINT , EXISTING BELLA TERRA . IT DISCHARGES ABOUT RIGHT HERE CURRENTLY. WOULD BE TRYING IN AT A SIMILAR POINT, POTENTIALLY TRYING TO FIND ALL LOWER -- LOOKING TO LOWER THE NORMAL WATER. THAT IS HOW THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING CONCERNS FOR THAT IS THE GOAL. IT IS A CONCERN TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE DOWN HERE BUT IT WILL COME DOWN INTO THE SYSTEM DOWN HERE AND IT WILL NEED TO BE TREATED FOR THAT AS PART OF THE PROCESS. WE WILL CHARGE OUT TO A SIMILAR PROGRAM WE HAVE NOW. AND A

>> GLENN, IF YOU WOULD, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WATER LEVEL THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY?

>> IT APART -- IT APPEARS TO STAGE UP HIGHER. I'M NOT FULLY READ ON THEIR CALCULATIONS. SO I WANT TO CONTRACT CAREFULLY IN THESE CALCULATIONS BUT IT DOES APPEAR THE STAGES ARE HIGHER IN THE 825 YOUR MODEL.

WE WOULD LOOK TO LOWER THAT. WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY STATES DO NOT FIT STAGES, IT WOULD IMPROVE THE SOUTH.

>> BECAUSE WHAT WE SEE NOW, WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF OUR DITCHES OR SWALES THAT ARE FILLED WITH WATER. -- COMPLETELY FULL. AND THE ROADS WILL ALMOST, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, ANYWAY. SO THE CONCERN IS THERE IS A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF WETLANDS DESIGNED TO BE IMPACTED IN THIS. PONDS WILL BE BUILT. THE PREVIOUS SERVICE PRETTY MUCH AT THE DEVELOPER MIGHT USE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. POSSIBLY IN THE DESIGN. MAYBE THAT WAS A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH SO MANY.

REMEMBERING IT FROM A DIFFERENT ONE, A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. I CONCERN IS UNACQUAINTED CONSEQUENCES FOR THE DRAINAGE AND THAT AREA. THAT WHOLE LITTLE CORNER THERE WAS SO MANY WETLAND , ENDO, IS NOT CONNECTED TO OTHER WETLANDS.

BUT STILL, THEY SERVE IN THE FACT THAT THEY DO ACT TO ABSORB WATER. SO LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A GOOD COUNTY THAT WILL DO A GOOD JOB. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS IT AND IT IS NOT REALLY WRITTEN OUT HERE AND I THINK PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO HEAR THERE IS A PLAN. YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT AND TAKING IT

SERIOUSLY, AND YOUR RATES. >> WANTING TO FOLLOW UP ON IS IDENTIFYING AN ISSUE WE RECOGNIZE INTERNALLY. BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN SOMETHING IS NOT , YOU CAN ALWAYS PLAN FOR THE UNKNOWN. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WITH THE SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLAN IS -- I CAN TELL YOU , MR. DICK D'SOUZA IS IN THE BACK AND HIS STAFF WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS VERY CLOSELY. THIS IS ONE OF THE ONE THAT MESSING UP THE CIRCLE AND GOING BACK TO REPEAT THAT PROBLEM, EVERYONE IS AWARE, IT TOOK YEARS TO GET -- YOU KNOW, IT TOOK SERVING VISITS BY OWNERS ON WHAT WE SERVE COLD. AND THEN SOMETHING GOT ACCOMPLISHED AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUT WE CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT THIS TO GO BACKWARDS BUT UNDERSTAND THAT IT OUR LEVEL ON THE PRIVATE SIDE BUT I KNOW YOUR STAFF -- THIS IS WHAT WILL GET EXRA CREW KNEE. THAT IS WHEN CONTRIBUTIONS WILL --

>> WE WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR EVERYBODY. THE PROPERTY DEVELOPERS -- AN YES, MA'AM.

>> I WILL AGREE WITH ONE OTHER THING. YOUR STAFF IS EXCEPTIONAL. I'VE WORKED WITH THEM MANY TIMES AND I WOULD

AGREE WITH THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING ON, WE WILL GO ONTO PUBLIC COMMENT . IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

>> CHUCK -- GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN I HAVE HERE. JUST LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT, 10 ACRES OF -- I CALL IT SWAMPLAND . IT IS NOT SWAMPLAND. WETLANDS. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE DESTROYED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT, ROUGHLY 90% OF THAT , ALL THOSE TREES ARE GOING TO BE GONE. THAT IS A LOT. YOU'LL ALSO TRY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE TREES. I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE TRAFFIC SITUATION. YES, THE LEFT-HAND TURN. THAT IS ACCORDING TO A NUMBER OF OTHER STORIES AS WELL. YOU BROUGHT THE QUESTION ABOUT , MR. BURNETT , THE INTERSECTION WILL CHANGE. THAT IS A NEW PROPOSAL. TO DO AWAY WITH LEFT-HAND TURNS.

THEY WOULD BE MORE U-TURN. THIS HAPPENS TO BE A PROPOSAL BEING PUT THERE RIGHT NOW. 166209. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

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FDOT LOOKS AT A LOT AS WELL. THE LEFT-HAND TURNS AND MAKING IT MORE OF A U-TURN. I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE COMMISSION -- THE ENVIRONMENTAL MENTAL -- ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AND

CONCERNED WITH. >> THANK YOU.

>> SUZANNE -- 32086. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WATCHING THIS DEVELOPER , BACK , NOT THIS ONE. BUT DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS COME IN AND OUT ABOUT THIS PARCEL. BECAUSE I LIVE ACROSS U.S. 1 FROM THIS , AND NOW THEY ARE MOVING THE DRIVE UP, I WOULD KIND OF LIKE THAT PLAN A LITTLE BETTER.

EXCEPT THAT LITTLE DRIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO USE AS MY LITTLE U-TURN TO NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE A U-TURN OR TURN INTO MY SUBDIVISION AT SOUTHWOOD. THAT IS A BOONDOGGLE TO SAY THE LEAST. HOWEVER, I LIKE THE PLOTS. IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE APARTMENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH. AND REALLY, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS TO THIS. WE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE THAT OF PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO -- OF HIMSELF OF. HE HAS RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO THAT. AND THE PROBLEM IS HE IS SITTING IN A SPOT WHERE NOTHING IS REALLY GOING TO BE IDEAL.

MAYBE NOT EVEN LESS THAN IDEAL. SO WHAT WE DO ABOUT THAT? U.S. 1 IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. YES, I HAVE TALKED TO FDOT.

U-TURNS ARE THEIR MANTRA. THEY ARE THE THING TO HAVE. THEY DO NOT WANT TRAFFIC SIGNALS . THEY DO NOT WANT ANY MORE OPENINGS IN THEIR MEDIANS. AND THEY CONTROL U.S. 1 . WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT WHATSOEVER. THERE IS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT THAT. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. I GO BY THAT CORNER OF LOTS IN U.S. 1 TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY SOMETIMES.

AND THAT AREA HAS NOT GOTTEN BETTER. MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS . WHEN IT RAINS AND YOU SEE THESE EVENTS COMES THROUGH IN THE CIRCLE, IT IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE IT USED TO BE. BUT IT HAS MOVED NOW TO THE WETLANDS THAT ARE ON THE WESTERN CORNERS.

THAT IS NEVER DRY. IT IS RAISED UP INTO THE ROAD WITH WATER. YOU APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT TO GO ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER THAT CLEARED IT AND THEY PUT A POND IN.

EVERYTHING STOPPED . THAT DID NOT HELP THE DRAINAGE. I KNOW OUR RESIDENT ALONG -- ROADSIDE THAT PROCESS MADE FLOODING IN HER YARD WORSE. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS DO. I REALLY DON'T. I LIKE THE PLAN OF ALL THE THREE I HAVE SEEN BEFORE.

THIS ONE IS MORE PALATABLE TO ME. IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THERE, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS IN SOME OF THE OTHERS. BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I HOPE YOU MAKE

A GOOD DECISION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ] OUR CONCERN IS FLOODING. DID I PUT MY PHONE AWAY? THERE IT IS. WE LIVE IN THIS SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING HERE.

THIS WETLAND HERE , WHEN IT RAINS, IT OVERFLOWS. WE ARE TALKING FIVE TO SIX INCHES ON THE ROAD. AND IF YOU PUT THOSE HOMES THERE, IT IS GOING TO RUN MORE TOWARD US THAT IT IS A TOWARD U.S. 1. THAT IS OUR ONLY CONCERN . IT IS BAD NOW.

AND EVERYTHING DOWN OAK LANE -- THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT PUT A BIG OLD PUMP IN HIS DRIVEWAY JUST TO KEEP THE WATER AND MAKE IT GO TOWARD THE STREET. THAT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? SIR, IN THE BACK? RIVER , 12 RIVER BOULEVARD. THIS ITEM IS TWICE -- MY ONLY

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QUESTION IS, THERE WAS A SECTION 9-05 LIMITATIONS. IT WAS VOTED BY THE BCC IN FAVOR OF A WAIVER. FOUR MONTHS EARLIER IF I WAS NOT MISTAKEN. ACCORDING TO THIS, IT CAN BE WAIVED BY THE BCC BY AFFIRMATIVE VOTE. SUCH ACTIONS DEEMED NECESSARY TO PREVENT INJUSTICE. I DO NOT SEE . OR TO FACILITATE PROPER DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY. IT HAS BEEN TWICE DENIED AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN. AND I JUST A CLARIFICATION. WHAT IS THE PROPER DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY ON DOING THIS PART ? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> I LIVE AT 150 -- DRIVE.

CONCERNED ABOUT THE FRONT OF -- ROAD. THAT WATER DRAINS THE CREEK AREA. ALL OF WATSON ROAD NOW. MY PROPERTY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF WATER RUNNING EACH WAY. THAT IS PART OF THE PROJECT . 15 ACRES, ALMOST 15 ACRES OF THIS PROJECT. WE ARE THE HIGH RAMP IN THE WHOLE AREA. IT DRAINS NORTH ON THE NORTH SIDE. ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH ON THE SOUTH. SO WATSON ROAD, TALKING ABOUT WATER. MOST OF IT GOES TO -- TO THE MOSES CREEK AREA INSTEAD OF THE -- AND AS FAR AS TRAINING IS CONCERNED BEHIND OUR HOUSE, ACTUALLY WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WILL ALLEVIATE THAT POOL OF WATER. THAT WETLAND ALTOGETHER. AND OBVIOUSLY, I AM FOR THE PROJECT. MY RETIREMENT. IT IS NOT ABOUT ME. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE. ANYHOW, THAT IS WHAT I GOT TO SAY.

ELSE YOUR WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE

INAUDIBLE ] >> JUST BRIEFLY, AND FOR THE BOARD, ONE OF THE -- THE EXTREME FINANCIAL THRESHOLD.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BACKING A PROJECT THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT , COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ROAD ACCESS DESIGN.

ADDING MORE. THAT IS A DIFFERENT BALL GAME . I WOULD SAY RELATED TO DENSITY, THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT, UNLIKE A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS THAT DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK POINTED OUT. I LOOKED THEM UP . IT MIGHT BE AS FAR AS A MILE WEST ON WATSON ROAD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS ON THE SWAP AND BOTH SIDES OF U.S. 1 , IT IS UP TO 13 UNITS IN A CARPET IF YOU LOOK ON THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 1. I WILL SPIN MYSELF AROUND FROM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 1, YOU GET A LOT OF SMALLER SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. YOU GET A LOT OF TOWNHOME PRODUCT AND CONDOMINIUM PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET . BELHAVEN, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT.

SOUTH OF THE -- MUSEUM. YOU GET A LOT OF TOWNHOME TYPE PRODUCT. OUR DENSITY FALLS WITHIN WHAT WOULD BE MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE IN AN MIXED-USE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE. I THINK THAT IS HEART OF THE EVIDENCE OF THAT PRACTICE AND HOW WE STARTED TO THIS APPLICATION. WE STARTED AT OSPREY LANDING TO SAY BEFORE WE FILE THE APPLICATION , HERE IS OUR SITE PLAN. HERE IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO. YOU HAVE CONCERNS? PLEASE GIVE US THOSE BUT WE GOT A LIST OF FOUR ITEMS READ ADDRESS AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, INC. THE LIST AND WHEN WE SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION, WE EMAILED IT TO OSPREY LANDING.

WHEN WE DID OUR RESUBMITTAL, THAT INCORPORATED THE FOUR THINGS, WE SENT THAT TO THEM AS WELL. WE KEPT THEM INFORMED ALONG THE PROCESS. THEY DEVIATED FROM THAT.

I CAN LET GLENN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, IT WILL BE BETTER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW. AND PROBABLY MAINTAIN BETTER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW. BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE FOR THE POND THAT IS THERE NOW, FOR THE WATER COMING OFF OF THE CIRCLE, THE ONLY , YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO

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GET SO MUCH MAINTENANCE FROM THE COUNTY. THEY'LL BE EXPECTED TO DO SO MUCH MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS SUCH BROAD MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES AND OBLIGATIONS COUNTYWIDE. HERE, ONCE YOU PUT THAT WITHIN THIS PROJECT, YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROBLEM.

NOW IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOA. THE PREMIUM LOTS ARE ON THE LAKE BUT YOU'LL GET A POND SYSTEM THAT IS MAINTAINED AT A PRETTY HIGH -- TO SUBMIT TO YOU.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING RELATED TO DRAINAGE?

>> YES. I SPOKE COMING IN HERE TO JODY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SPEAKING. A LITTLE NERVOUS SO I SPOKE WITH HIM PREDATOR THAT WE ARE BOTH TALKING ON THE SAME PROJECT THAT HE SHOWED ME PICTURES NEXT TO HIS PROPERTY. HE HAD A BEAUTIFUL FIFTH WHEEL THAT HAD FOUR INCHES OF WATER. I'M AWARE OF HIS CONCERNS FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT WATER DOES NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE PROPERTY LINES BUT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY -- CURRENTLY HAPPENING AND WE ARE AWARE OF THAT. SIMILAR TO THE SOUTH, HIS CONCERNS TO THE NORTH. WE ARE AWARE OF THAT NOW AND MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT BETTER. THE SPECIFIC SITUATION OF LOOKING AT IT LOOK LIKE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A STREET ISSUE. SOMEONE MIGHT'VE BEEN BEHIND THEM, NOT THAT SMALL POCKET EFFORT. WE ARE AWARE OF IT AND IT IS -- GIVING HIM ADVICE AND CONTACTS WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE DISTRICT, AND WITH US AS WELL BUT HE DID TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT.

>> I WILL HAVE YOU CONFIRM THIS . OUR OUTFALL IS TO MOVE THE WATER TOWARD U.S. 1 AND TO THE NORTH .

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS THERE FOR THE SOUTHERN PORTION AND FOR WHAT DIRECTLY FLOWS INTO IT . I WILL BE TYING IT TO A SIMILAR POINT AND HOPEFULLY PUSHING IT FURTHER NORTH TO GET A LOWER ELEVATION. LOWERING THE WATER LEVEL, BASICALLY.

>> YES, SIR. OUR COMMON AREA ABUTS TO THAT GENTLEMAN'S PHONE. BACK IN THE CORNER AS WELL. WETLANDS THERE. JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE WE ARE TELLING

EVERYTHING NOW. >> YEAH, IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING

BURNED UP BACK THERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> DOUG, THAT THE MENTION I NAME WITH REGARD TO THE INCOMPATIBILITY AND HOW FAR -- I ONLY BRING THOSE UP BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE APPLICATION. THEY ARE IN THE APPLICATION AND THEY ARE CIRCLED AND BROUGHT UP. THEY ARE PART OF THE TEXT OF WHAT THE DENSITY IS. I JUST MEASURED ON GOOGLE HOW FAR AWAY THOSE ARE. ONE IS ABOUT .62 MILES. ABOUT A MILE AND ONE IS ABOUT 175 MILES. THAT IS JUST WITH GOOGLE. MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT I AGREE.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER USES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF U.S. 1 AS

YOU GO SOUTH. >> WE ALL APPLIED FOR A

DISTRICT PERMIT . >> ON THIS ONE, NO.

>> THERE IS 9.62 ACRES OF STATE WETLAND. ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES ON THAT BUT I KNOW THE EXISTING POND HAS ALREADY ENACTED A LOT. THERE IS EXTREME DRAWDOWN OUT THERE. I QUICKLY RECALL -- I CALLED DAVE JEFF BEFORE THIS MEETING. HE SHARED AN EXHIBIT SHOWING -- SHOWING A LOT OF IMPACT THAT ALREADY HAPPENED DUE TO THAT POND BID FOR IMPACTS AND WHERE WE LOOK AT THEM FROM, I DO NOT HAVE THAT ANSWER. I WILL LEAVE THAT TO MY ENVIRONMENTAL COUNTERPARTS WHO ARE NOT HERE. WE REALIZE THAT IS REQUIRED AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO APPROACH THE PROBLEM.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING BUT THAT , THE WETLANDS, EVERYTHING BUT THAT ONE IN THE CENTRAL PORTION , THE SITE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED.

INAUDIBLE ] WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION BETWEEN THE HIGH POINT OF THE WETLANDS AND MOST OF THOSE WETLANDS?

>> WE DO NOT HAVE FULL SURVEY . I DO NOT FEEL CONFIDENT COMMENTING ON THAT SO I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WE DO NOT HAVE A FULL SURVEY ACROSS THE SITE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> GREG MATOVINA, I KNOW THIS GOES BACK TO THE PRIOR APPLICATION. YOU MAY RECALL THIS BUT IT IMPACTS THE SAME ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE. BUT THERE WAS A COMPLETE STORM WATER DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY

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A DIFFERENT ENGINEER. THERE POINT OF IMPACTING THE SOUTHERN WETLANDS ALONG THESE BOUNDARIES WHERE THE LOTS -- THEY HAVE STARTED TO DRINK WATER OUT OF THAT AREA TO THE NORTH. IT IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING FOR FRAUD OR ANY TYPE ISSUES THAT HAPPEN TO THE SOUTH OF THIS.

>> OH, MINE WAS SHORTER, BUT THE SAME QUESTION, I GUESS.

>> I DO NOT. I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER CANNOT THE

ENVIRONMENTALIST. >> I UNDERSTAND. BELIEVE ME, I GET THAT. I WAS JUST -- I WAS CURIOUS.

I UNDERSTAND VERSUS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ARE THERE MORE TREES THAT YOU WILL

HAVE ON THE WESTSIDE? >> WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS , I DO NOT BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT IN HERE.

ETHICALLY, THAT PROPERTY, UNTIL YOU GET DOWN SOUTH OF WHERE THE 60 INCH OAKTREE IS, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS SIDE? IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO WHERE THE HOUSE IS.

HERE IS THE CUL-DE-SAC, HERE IS THE HOUSE. THIS AREA, IT IS NOT TILL YOU GET DOWN INTO MAYBE HERE WHERE THIS GETS MORE HEAVILY TREATED. THIS AREA, LARGE PORTION OF IT IS OPEN.

YOU KNOW, IT IS MANICURED, LANDSCAPING, YARD AREA. VERY MATURE TREES. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THAT AREA. IT WILL NEED SOME PLANTING AND THE LIKE READ ONCE YOU GET, I WOULD SAY, THE BACK OF THE SLOT AT GREEN WILLOW, THIS IS NOT SHOWN ON OUR DRYING HERE. BUT ON THE SIDE, THERE IS A 10 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS PART OF THE OSPREY LANDING PUD . IT WRAPS THIS QUARTER AND COMES UP. YOU CAN SEE A GOOD PORTION WITH THE -- YOU CAN SEE THE UNDERSCORE AND IT IS CLEAR AND A LARGE PORTION AS THEY ARE. WHAT A GOOD TREE CANOPY AND IT DENTS -- THROUGH THIS AREA, IT IS NOT A CLEAN LINE OF SIGHT ANYWHERE YOU GO TO THAT AREA. ALL THE WAY THROUGH THEIR, IT MIGHT BE THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN

>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON ELEVATIONS.

>> YEAH, IF WE GO BACK TOWARD THE BEGINNING.

>> YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? >> THIS IS INSIDE. SO DOWN HERE, SEE THE TWO -- YOU ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING FROM APPROXIMATELY ACROSS THE LAKE TO SEE THOSE TWO -- YOU CAN SEE HOW DENSE IT IS.

QUESTIONS?

>> I WILL TAKE A STAB AT THIS. I SECOND THE MOTION.

>> A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2023-21 AS

IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? DR. RICHARD HILSENBECK?

>> OKAY, I AM CONCERNED . THE WETLAND IMPACTS. I APPRECIATE CHUCK DOING THAT. MY CALCULATIONS DO NOT SHOW YOU'RE GOING TO IMPACT OF ABOUT NEARLY 10 ACRES HERE. IT WOULD BE IMPACTING ABOUT 25-30% OF THE SITE. ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THE SITE IS GOING TO BE WETLANDS THAT ARE CLEAR-CUT FIELD. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE MEDICATION. WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IT IS INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT . THAT DEPENDS ON THE BASIN. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT MEDICATION IS

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AVAILABLE TO OFFSET THOSE IMPACTS. THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN OF MINE. -- EVEN WITH THE NEW PATTERN. AND I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT U-TURNS . BUT I STILL SEE AS INCOMPATIBILITY. IT IS A BETTER PROPOSAL THAN WHAT YOU BROUGHT BOTH PREVIOUSLY, TWO TIMES BEFORE. I WILL ADMIT

THAT. THANK YOU. >> YES. I GUESS THIS IS JUST -- SO WHAT HAPPENS IF EVERYONE , IF THEY CANNOT GET

NEGATION? >> WELL, WE ARE VOTING ON THE PUD . I'M SORRY. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

>> THANK YOU. >> YEAH, I DO BELIEVE IT IS IN A MIXED-USE.

I LIKE THIS PLAN BETTER. WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THE -- BUT THAT IS FOR US. -- IS NOT FOR US TO CONSIDER. ALL RIGHT, I AM

READY. >> WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS. I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT -- I DO HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE -- THE SITE.

FUNCTION. I SURE WISH WE HAD SOME BETTER ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. THAT IS CAUSING CONCERN. IF YOU DROP A BOOK ON A SPONGE FULL OF WATER, THE WATER SQUIRTS OUT THE SIDE. IF YOU PUT FIVE FEET OF FILL ON THIS SITE AND THREE QUARTERS THAT IS USED RIGHT NOW FOR A SICKLY ON-SITE TEACHING.

ACTUALLY TEACHING. THAT IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE. SO IT IS DEALING WITH THE SURFACE WATER, BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH GROUNDWATER. SO IN ANY EVENT, I AM PREPARED TO SUPPORT JUDY SPIEGEL WITH THIS. BUT I REALLY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE.

[6. PUD 2023-15 Sunset View PUD. Request to rezone approximately 2.42 acres of land from Commercial General (CG), Open Rural (OR) and Residential, Single Family (RS-3) to Planned Unit Development (PUD) to allow for a maximum three (3) residential units, and a maximum 6,854 square feet of commercial uses, located west of Dondanville Road, west of A1A (Saltwater Cowboys).]

AND GET STARTED. ITEM NUMBER SIX.

BEFORE GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, I WANT TO SAY, THIS WILL RUN A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PREVIOUS ITEMS. WE WILL SWEAR AND SOME WITNESSES AND WILL HAVE 225 MINUTE PRESENTATIONS AND THEN WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND REBUTTAL AFTER THAT. I WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THIS WILL BE FOLLOWING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. YES. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO

ENTERTAIN ITEM NUMBER SIX? >> THE OLD SALTWATER COWBOY

-- MANY TIMES. >> I DID TWO SITE VISITS. ONE ON MONDAY AND THE PLACE WAS CLOSE BUT I LOOKED AROUND TO SEE WHAT I COULD SEE BUT I WENT ON WEDNESDAY AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES THERE. IT IS HARD. I DID WALK AROUND THE PROPERTY . I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? >>

CORRECT. OKAY. >> I MOVE

LAUGHTER ] >> I'M SORRY. YES, MA'AM?

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK TO SWEAR IT WITNESSES BEFORE WE

GET STARTED? >> YES.

LAUGHTER ] >> WE CANNOT GET STARTED YET.

>> ALL RIGHT. I AM SORRY, LADIES. YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT.

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