Feb 15, 2024 Planning and Zoning Agency

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NOTICE. >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY AREA OF JURISDICTION AND BE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENTS AT A TIME DURING THE HEARING, AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MAY DO SO BY FILLING OUT THE SIGN IN SHEET AVAILABLE. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME IN THE MEETING WHEN EACH ITEM FOR A LENGTH OF TIME IS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRPERSON WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY AND IF THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED IN THE HEARING SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS CHARTS PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENT SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK OVER THERE FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD . THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHERS BOARD, IT IS YOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY. AGENCY MEMBERS ARE REMINDED AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM

[PZA Meeting Minutes for Board Approval: 02/01/2024]

>> THANK YOU. AGENCY MEMBERS YOU HAVE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 1ST. DO WE HAVE ANY ISSUES OR COMMENTS? A MOTION? MOTION AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR? THAT MOTION PASSES. PUBLIC COMMENT

[1. REZ 2023-20 Dobbs Road Plant Rezoning.]

>> I DROVE BY THE SITE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON TO LOOK AT IT ON DOBBS ROAD AND TO THE ASHBY LANDING NEIGHBORHOOD , I DROVE UP AND DOWN DOBBS ROAD. AND I ALSO SPOKE WITH MR.

BURNETT ABOUT THE ITEM. >> I DID A SITE VISIT , AS WELL FROM SEVERAL ANGLES AND I READ THE EMAILS AND ATTACHMENTS. I SPOKE WITH STAFF AND I SPOKE WITH THE EVA. SPOTS I DID A

SITE VISIT. >> I SPOKE TO A NEIGHBOR , I DO NOT GET HIS NAME HE LIVES AT 500 ASHBY LANE. /GO-AHEAD.

>> DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP AND TODAY FILING

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MIXED-USE ALLOWING FOR INDUSTRIAL USE, ALLOWING FOR EVERY COMMERCIAL USE AND ALLOWING FOR UP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE FOR RESIDENTIAL. YOU CAN SEE IN THE ZONING MAP PUD TO THE WEST , THE WHITE SECTION NORTH AND SOUTH TO THE MIDDLE IS THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THEN THE SITE LOATED AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, ESSENTIALLY THIS REQUEST IS SEEKING TO TAKE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND ADD TO IT THE ABILITY TO MANUFACTURE LOCK AT THE LOCATION. NOT TO CHANGE THE USE FOR WHAT IS DOING CURRENTLY OTHER THAN ADD MANUFACTURING BLOCK AND THERE'S GREAT VALUE TO THE COUNTY IN DOING THAT, TWO BIG POINTS. IT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SEMI TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING TO THE LOCATION AND IT WILL LOWER THE PRICE OF BLOCK FRONT FOR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. YOU SAY HOW DOES IT REDUCE THE TRIPS AND I WILL COME BACK TO THIS LATER, BUT THE QUICK POINT ON THAT IS BLOCK RIGHT NOW IS NOT MANUFACTURED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE OF THAT ALL THE BLOCK IS BROUGHT TO THE LOCATION AND DISTRIBUTED FROM THIS LOCATION. YOU WILL ELIMINATE TRUCKS COMING TO THE LOCATION SO THAT IS PART OF IT.

OTHER THINGS WILL BE REDUCED AND GENERALLY THIS AREA IN THE YELLOW, IF YOU WONDER HOW DO WE GET INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE IN THE AREA AND HOW DO WE GET THIS AS INDUSTRIAL TO BEGIN WITH, IF YOU GO BEFORE THE ZONING CODE , BEFORE THERE WAS ZONING BEFORE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN 1995 GOING BACK TO 1960 THIS WAS THE SAINT AUGUSTINE HEIGHTS INDUSTRIAL PARK, A PORTION OF THE LAND IN YELLOW. A GOOD PORTION OF IT. LOOKING AT THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE, COMING DOWN DOBBS ON THE RIGHT MANY OF YOU MAY RECALL THIS WAS THE FORMER SITE OF WHERE BUILDING SUPPLIES HAD HIS TRUST ANY FRACTURED PLANT. WITH A LOT OF HOMES IN THIS AREA, BUILT ON THIS SITE OVER THE YEARS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS LOCATION IN THE RED. YOU WILL SEE IN A MOMENT I WANT TO SHOW AN ERROR THAT IS NOT REPRESENTED ACCURATELY IN THE STAFF REPORT. LOOK AT THE COMPATIBILITY MAP AND THE LABEL COVERS THE AREA WITH THE SURF SHOP . FIRST THERE ARE TWO ERRORS, ONE IS THAT IT MARGINALIZES WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE WORD SURF SHOP , THAT IS ARE GOES A CONCRETE MANUFACTURING FACILITY UNDER THAT SURF SHOP AND TWO THE SURF SHOP WHERE IT IS POINTING IS NOT A SURF SHOP IT IS A SURF BOARD MANUFACTURING FACILITY. IT MAKES THE BOARDS AT THE LOCATION AND WILL COME BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT HERE IN A MOMENT. FIRST, IF YOU HIT ARGOS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL VIEW , IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT YOU WILL SEE TOWARD THE TOP SOME NEON GREEN COLORED VEHICLES. IF I TAKE THOSE AND BLOW THEM UP YOU CAN SEE THAT IS FIVE CEMENT MIXING TRUCKS. THAT ARE PARKED IN THAT AERIAL PHOTO. IF I SHOW YOU STREET LEVEL, YOU CAN SEE THE CEMENT MIXING TRUCKS ON THE LEFT AND YOU CAN SEE THE AGGREGATE SILOS ON THE RIGHT WHERE THE CONVEYOR BELT GOES UP THE CONCRETE AGGREGATE TO MAKE THE CONCRETE AND IT DROPS INTO THE TRUCKS. SO THIS IS AN EXISTING USE DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LOCATION.

AND IF WE GO TO LOOK AT THE REMAINDER OF THIS DRAWING LOOKING BACK TO THE SURF SHOP, WHAT IS MISSING IS WHAT IS NORTH OF THE SURF SHOP. I WILL SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THAT. THIS IS A AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FACILITY. THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WEBSITE OF THEIR PHOTOS AND THE STREET VIEW OF THE PARCEL. AND THEN THIS IS THE SURFBOARD MANUFACTURING FACILITY ON THE RIGHT AND BEHIND IS A PAVING COMPANY WHERE YOU WILL

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ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE IT SAYS UNDEVELOPED INDUSTRIAL AS PART OF THE ARGOS SITE SO IT IS ARGOS CONSTRUCTION TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH IS AUTOBODY AND CAR REPAIR. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE MAP, THE COMPATIBILITY MAP ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT WITH REMODELING SERVICES AND AUTOBODY REPAIR.

IF WE LOOK AT THE HISTORIC USE OF THE SITE ON THE FRONT PART WHERE THE BUILDING EXISTS CURRENTLY, THAT PORTION SINCE 1985 HAS BEEN USED , IT WAS A MANUFACTURING PLANT FOR ROOF TRUSS AND FLOOR JOIST MANUFACTURING AND LAMINATED BEAMS MANUFACTURING. PREVIOUSLY AT THE FACILITY. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SOUND TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, BUT IT IS A HIGH-PRESSURE MACHINE THAT PUSHES THE WEIGHT ON THOSE METAL PLATES TO JOIN THE FLOOR JOISTS TOGETHER. WE WERE HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES GETTING THE AUDIO TO PLAY, APOLOGIZE I DON'T HAVE AUDIO TO GO ALONG WITH THIS.

>> I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE THE AUDIO. I WATCHED THE VIDEO THAT WAS EMBEDDED IN THE ITEM WITH A LINK.

>> LOOKING AT OUR SITE . YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDINGS THAT EXIST THAT HAVE EXISTED THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IF WE GO TO THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR, THIS BUILDING WOULD BE WHERE THE MAIN THRUST OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE HOUSED, THE BLOCK MANUFACTURING. EQUIPMENT WOULD GO INSIDE OF THERE AND WE HAVE GOT A VIDEO. THIS IS A VIDEO OF THAT USE .

IT IS A HIGH-TECH USE. ONE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT IS BECAUSE THE BLOCKS ARE MANUFACTURED ON SITE, BECAUSE LOCKS ARE MANUFACTURED ON SITE WE GO FROM FOUR OR FIVE FORKLIFTS RUNNING AROUND THE PROPERTY, UNLOADING THE BLOCK FROM TRUCKS COMING FROM THE RAILYARD. UNLOADING AND PUTTING THAT IN HOUSING AND ON THE PROPERTY TO THEN PUT ON SMALLER TRUCKS TO DISTRIBUTE AROUND THE COUNTY. GOING FROM FOUR OR FIVE FORKLIFTS DOWN TO ONE BECAUSE THIS AUTOMATED FACILITY PUTS THE BLOCK OUT TO WHERE IT IS EASILY STACKED AND PICKED UP AND YOU NEED ONE LOADER, IT'S NOT UNLOADING AND MOVING AROUND AND RELOADING, IT IS TAKING OFF AND RELOADING. SO, LET THAT RUN FOR A COUPLE MORE SECONDS. YOU

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IT RESULTS IN THE FOLKS THAT WORK THERE HAVING HIGHER-PAYING JOBS, IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL FORKLIFT OPERATOR CONCRETE BLOCK MOVING AROUND THE YARD TYPE OF JOB. THIS IS A HIGHER PAID POSITION FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK THERE ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE OF SPECIAL TRAINING THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO BE AROUND THIS AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT. CAN YOU CAN SEE LOCATED NORTH IT WOULD HAVE TO ROTATE TO THE LEFT, I WAS UNABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN , WE TALKED ABOUT CAN YOU ROTATE THAT, BUT YOU CAN SEE OUR SITE IN THE BLUE , THAT IS A PORTION OF THE SITE IN THE BLUE. CONDITIONS, WE HAVE OFFERED SOME CONDITIONS IN CONNECTION WITH THIS. IT WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE WITH THE ADDITION OF CONCRETE BLOCK MANUFACTURING. NOT GOING TO TAKE THE SITE AND OPEN UP TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE. IT IS NOT TO TAKE THIS AND MAKE IT SOMETHING IT IS NOT. STRICTLY INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE WITH THE ADDITION OF CONCRETE BLOCK MANUFACTURING. ADDITIONALLY THERE WOULD BE REQUIREMENTS IF IT USED FOR CONCRETE BLOCK MANUFACTURING. THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE ENHANCED BUFFER AND SCREENING PUT IN PLACE AND ON TOP OF THAT WE WOULD DO A SECOND ROW OF OFFSETTING TREES. SO OFTEN YOU GET A ROW OF TREES AND THERE IS SPACE IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE TREES ARE 20 FEET ON CENTER, BUT IF YOU OFFSET THEM YOU COULD FILL IN THE GAP WHICH WOULD HELP TO CREATE A GOOD VISUAL BARRIER BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND THE PROJECT.

ADDITIONALLY WE WOULD DO , THERE IS THE PUD ADJACENT WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE APPROVAL TO BUILD A CONCRETE BLOCK BASE ON THE WALL AND WHAT WE WOULD DO WITHIN THE SITE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO WHERE IT BUT IT UP TO THE CONCRETE BLOCK MANUFACTURING FACILITY WE WOULD INSTALL A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A SOLID BARRIER BETWEEN US AND THE IMMEDIATE JOINING RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN THERE IS GOOD SEPARATION AS WE TALK ABOUT 30 FEET AND 100 FOOT STRIP OF WHAT'S THERE NOW. SONY LOOK AT THE AERIAL YOU CAN SEE GOOD SPACING BECAUSE AGAIN THE BUILDINGS THAT EXIST NOW, YOU CAN SEE IF WE LAY IN THE SITE PLAN OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THE SITE PLAN MATCHES WITH WHAT'S PHYSICALLY THERE FOR THE STRUCTURES AND THE CONCRETE BLOCK MACHINE.

AGAIN I APOLOGIZE FOR THE AUDIO NOT WORKING. I GUESS I WILL STOP NOW. THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT. I SAW A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK SO I WILL SAVE AND CONTINUE THE REST OF MY PRESENTATION AND MAYBE BRING KEVIN UP AT THAT TIME.

>> WELL, WHAT I ASKED YOU TO SHOW WHAT THE INDUSTRIAL PART WAS A CLEAR MAP. I SAW THAT ONE THAT WAS IN THE MATERIALS PROVIDED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CLEAR MAP SHOWING BOUNDARIES OF THE OLD SAINT AUGUSTINE HEIGHTS INDUSTRIAL PARK WITH THE SITE OVERLAY BECAUSE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW STATEMENTS IN HERE BY STAFF THAT ONLY HAVE INDUSTRIAL SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED INDUSTRIAL PARKS. SO I WANTED TO SEE YOUR SITE WITH THE BOUNDARY OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND A VERY CLEAR MAP SHOWING THAT AND THAT THERE IS FULL OVERLAP, IT MIGHT BE HALF OVERLAP CAN YOU TELL ME? I CAN'T TELL, THAT'S FROM 1960? THAT WAS QUITE A WHILE BACK.

SO NOT MUCH WAS OUT AT THE TIME.

>> I THINK THE CHALLENGE WE ALSO FACE WITH THAT. I KNOW IT SAYS A SCALE OF 100 TO 300, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THAT IT IS TO SCALE AND PROPORTION WHEN YOU GET A REPORTED COPY OF IT FROM THE CLERK OF COURTS OFFICE , THAT IT IS ALL DIGITAL, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE PHYSICAL DOCUMENT. I DON'T KNOW PROPORTIONATELY WHEN YOU INSERT IT INTO THE DRAWING THAT IT STAYS , BUT THAT'S A BIGGER TOPIC AND SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT GETTING ACCOMPLISHED.

>> GOOD STAFF HAVE SUCH A MAP? IS THAT POSSIBLE? OF THE

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MUCH WAS OUT? >> THE PLAT WAS PROVIDED , THE PLAT MAP WAS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS YOU INDICATED. I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE PLAT FOR WHAT THE OLD BOUNDARIES ARE OR WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

>> OKAY. I'M NOT PERSONALLY CONVINCED THAT THE WHOLE SITE IS WITHIN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK BOUNDARY . WHAT I BE INCORRECT

IN ASSUMING THAT? >> I DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE OLD ZONING MAPS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT. BUT I WILL NEED A FEW MINUTES.

>> OKAY. I SAID THIS TO DOUG YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE AND THAT'S THE REASON I WANTED SOUND TO PLAY FOR THE VIDEO.

WHEN I WATCH THE VIDEO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHED WITH SOUND ON, BUT WE CAN PLAY WITH MY CELL PHONE AND THAT IS AN EXTREMELY LOUD AND NOISY PROCESS WHICH WAS IN THAT VIDEO. IN FACT VIRTUALLY EVERY EMPLOYEE , I BELIEVE EVERY EMPLOYEE THAT THEY SHOW IN THE BUILDING HAD ON NOISE CANCELING HEADPHONES IT WAS SO LOUD. SO I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A QUIET OPERATION, IN PARTICULAR AND YOU STATE IN THE APPLICATION THE CURRENT BUILDINGS , YOU UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, MOST OF THOSE ARE OPEN SHEDS. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE WALLS ON THE SIDES. SO, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO USE EXISTING BUILDINGS I THINK IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY NOISE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE. I DON'T KNOW WHO DROVE BY THE SITE . WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN DOBBS ROAD AND YOU LOOK ACROSS THE SITE, YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER DID NOT PUT A FULL BUFFER IN. THERE IS THE CONCRETE WALL, BUT I DON'T SEE A FULL VEGETATED BUFFER OR SCREENING AND THAT WOULD NOT BE YOUR FAULT OR YOUR CLIENT CERTAINLY, NOT FAULTING YOU FOR THAT IT. YOU CAN LOOK AT DOBBS ROAD ACROSS THE SITE AND IT IS A REALLY SHORT DISTANCE. I HAVE A VIDEO THAT I SENT TO THE STAFF THAT WE COULD SHOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE OR IF I INSIST.

>> THIS IS NOT A TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

>> PLEASE LET HIM SPEAK BUT YOU HAVE TO REMAIN QUIET.

>> WHY DON'T WE JUST SHOW THAT VIDEO ALONG DOBBS ROAD AND I WILL TELL YOU WERE TO STOP AND THEN TURN THE CAMERA WEST. THIS IS FROM A SITE THAT'S AVAILABLE BY GOOGLING DOBBS ROAD, SAINT AUGUSTINE HEIGHTS INDUSTRIAL PARK. HERE WE ARE ON DOBBS ROAD AND I WANT YOU TO NOTE THE CYPRESS SWAMP ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE ALSO BECAUSE THAT IS A FAIRLY DEEP CYPRESS SWAMP THAT GOES AND BUFFERS STEEPER THAN THAT EVEN AS WE GO UP, THAT BUFFERS THE ARGOS SITE. YOU CAN TRY TURNING NOW TO FACING WEST, THE SITE IN QUESTION IS RIGHT THERE WITH ALL THE BLOCKS. OKAY THAT YOU HAVE GOT CONCRETE BLOCKS BLOCKING SOME OF THAT SO IF YOU CAN DRIVE FORWARD, DRIVE TO THE NORTH A LITTLE BIT. TRY THAT. TURNED TO THE WEST AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSES. YOU CAN SEE THE TWO STORY HOUSES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN. THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO SCREENING THERE. I KNOW YOU SAY YOU WILL DO SCREENING, BUT LOOKING AT THAT AND WE CAN DRIVE ALONG THE WHOLE ROAD AND TURN IN AND LOOK WEST, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE ASHBY LANDING RIGHT THERE. AND I SHOULD HAVE VIDEO OF MYSELF THAT I FOUND THIS ONLINE EARLIER IN THE DAY SO I DID NOT THINK I NEEDED TO. IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE BACK SOUTH, DRIVE SOUTH. OKAY THERE IS A GOOD VIEW. THERE IS NO SCREENING OR BUFFERING , LOOKING DIRECTLY INTO THAT. YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT?

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>> I WILL WAIT UNTIL REBUTTAL. PROCEDURALLY THIS IS A TIME WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THE COMMENT AND THAT HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND THEN GO BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR YOU TO DISCUSS.

FIRST OR ASK FOR THINGS TO BE SHOWN, BUT I CAN STOP TALKING AND LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK. IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE. I HAD SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. I CAN SEE TERESA BACK THERE. WE GOT A LETTER SENT TO ALL OF US IN THE COUNTY EMAIL ADDRESSES. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS FROM, I DID WRITE TO THE PERSON BACK. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY FOUND , THEY LOOKED AND RESEARCHED THE ENTIRE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SITES IN THE COUNTY AND FOUND NONE OF THEM ABOUT IT PUD RESIDENTIAL LAND-USE. THIS ONE DOES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF TERESA, YOU CAN SUPPLY THIS INFORMATION, IF THERE ARE, A MAP OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE IN THE COUNTY THAT CAN BE PUT UP AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY DO ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT I DON'T KNOW. WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION IS CORRECT AND FACTUAL. RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST HEARSAY SO MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT MAP SO I WILL HAVE TO TREE -- TRIED TO

SEE WHAT I CAN FIND. >> AND MAYBE DOUG CAN ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. HE IS GOOD AT RESEARCHING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK COME TO ONE OF THESE THREE MICROPHONES. MAKE SURE IT IS ON AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. YOU CAN LINE UP IF YOU WISH TO SAVE TIME.

TWO OR THREE. >> LINEUP AT EACH MICROPHONE AND WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT PERSON.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN GO FIRST. NAME AND ADDRESS

FOR THE RECORD. >> BACKGROUND HAS BEEN IN PLAN REVIEW AND ENGINEERING FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, 12 YEARS WHEN I LIVED IN GEORGIA. I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS. I HAVE LIVED THROUGH HUNDREDS OF PLANS. LET ME RESPOND TO THE GENTLEMAN. I USED TO BE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST , MY EX-WIFE AND I HAD A BUSINESS WHERE WE REVIEWED PLANS FOR VARIOUS DISABILITIES AND TREATMENT PLANT, THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF BUFFERING HE CAN DO , HE CAN PROMISE ANOTHER ROW OF TREES AND THAT WILL DO NOTHING TO MITIGATE THE DAMAGE YOU WILL SEE. I HAVE BEEN IN A RED A FEW MONTHS NOW AND I WILL BE LEAVING AT THE END OF MAY WHERE HE PURCHASED A HOME AT THE PALM COAST BUT I LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. A GREAT PLACE, NICE PEOPLE A LOT OF DOGS AND A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. I AGREE THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PLAN, IT IS NOT A PLACE TO HAVE ENTRY. I AGREE WE NEED CINDERBLOCKS BEING MANUFACTURED IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY , WE NEED BETTER PAYING JOBS, BUT WE DON'T NEED THEM AT THIS SITE.

A WONDERFUL IDEA BUT HE NEEDS TO TAKE THIS HEAVY INDUSTRY SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S APPLICABLE TO HEAVY INDUSTRY.

I UNDERSTAND DOBBS ROAD ON THE ZONING I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS. IT IS ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF ZONING.

WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS HEAVY INDUSTRY AND YOU SHOULD NOT SEE HEAVY INDUSTRY THERE. LOOKING AT THIS OBJECTIVELY, LOOK AT THE VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ASHBY LANDING, LOOK AT THE PROPERTY VALUE. I AGREE WE NEED BETTER PAYING JOBS, BUT INCOME TAX IS NOT HOW WE FUND THE COUNTY, WE FUND THIS COUNTY ON PROPERTY TAX VALUES. IF YOU PUT THIS PLANT INCOME ARE YOU WILLING TO COMPROMISE THE VALUE OF THE HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? EVEN CONSERVATIVELY LOOKING AT THE VALUE OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S BETWEEN THREE AND 4 MILLION. YOU ADD THE TOWNHOMES YOU'RE LOOKING AT $6 MILLION IN REAL ESTATE. DO YOU THINK THE PROPERTY VALUES WILL APPRECIATE AFTER YOU PUT IN THIS CONCRETE STAMPING FACTORY ? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. PEOPLE DIRECTLY ON THIS WILL SEE THEIR HOMES RENDERED WORTHLESS AND PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BUY THESE HOMES. THAT'S A FACT. I AGREE WITH THE ATTORNEY WE NEED TO PRODUCE CINDERBLOCKS IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY, WE NEED BETTER PAYING JOBS, WE DON'T NEED

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>> THANK YOU. >> TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY ACROSS DOBBS CUT OFF ROAD FROM ASHBY LANDING. I HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE MY BEDROOM WINDOW IS ABOUT 300 FEET FROM THE WEST GATE I'M SORRY THE NORTHGATE OF MASTER CONSTRUCTION. I LIVE RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN THAT IS PART OF THE FPL EASEMENT. WHEN WE ALL BOUGHT IN THERE AND THE DEVELOPMENT SPEAKING FOR CYPRESS BAY TOWNHOMES. MOST OF US REFERRED TO THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND AS PART OF THE PLAN TO PETITION FOR ZONING CHANGE FOR THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AT THAT TIME , THE ZONING WAS CALLED OPEN RURAL AND IS BASICALLY THE MIXED-USE INCLUDES COMMERCIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. WE ALL BOUGHT IN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THAT'S FINE BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING ALL THE THINGS THE COUNSELOR SHOWED YOU ON HIS MAP, MOST SHUT DOWN AT NIGHT. SO THE NOISE IN THE DAYTIME AND EVENING SO WE CAN SLEEP, BUT NOW WITH ARGOS CONCRETE AND MASTERS CONSTRUCTION AS BUSY AS THEY ARE, THE PICTURES ON THAT SCREEN SHOWED NOTHING OF WHAT'S IN THE YARD RIGHT NOW. THEY SELL WAY MORE THAN CONCRETE BLOCK. THERE ARE PROBABLY 20 OR 30 TRUCKS EVERY DAY, MAYBE I'M EXAGGERATING. THE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT ON THAT YARD , HEAVY EQUIPMENT TRUCK CREATES A DUSTBOWL. WE CANNOT EVEN OPEN BACK WINDOWS NOW AS IT IS SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION, CONCERN ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HEALTH. EASY TO FIND EPA INFORMATION ABOUT AIR QUALITY STANDARDS AROUND CEMENT PLANTS AND PLANT THAT PRODUCED CONCRETE PRODUCTS. ALSO I BELIEVE THE DESIGNATION THEY ARE SEEKING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL , DOES THAT NOT PRECLUDE THEM FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE AS WELL , THEY CAN OPERATE WITH IMPUNITY 24 HOURS A DAY? IT'S ALREADY NOISY ENOUGH, IF I AM CORRECT IN THAT. THOSE ARE ALL THE ISSUES WE ARE CONCERNED WITH AND TRAFFIC IS OBVIOUSLY WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT, I DON'T SEE ONE FORKLIFT BEING WHAT WOULD REMAIN IN THE YARDS. THERE WILL BE TRUCK AFTER TRUCK AS THERE IS NOW BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT MORE THAN CONCRETE BLOCK. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> OKAY PROPERTIES , ONE INSIDE OF ASHBY LANDING WAY AND ONE ON WHICH IN WAY WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROPOSED APPLICATION. I WILL STICK TO MORE OF THE HEALTH HAZARDS OF CEMENT PLANTS. THIS IS ALL EVIDENCE AVAILABLE ONLINE AND I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING ALREADY THAT I SENT VIA EMAIL WITH ALL MY REFERENCES AND ALL MY RESEARCH ARTICLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE I REFERENCED. IT IS IN THE BACKYARD OF MY TENANT WHO IS A NAVY VETERAN WHO IS ALREADY SUFFERING FROM MULTIPLE ILLNESSES AS A RESULT OF SERVICE INCLUDING REMOVAL OF A PORTION OF HIS LUNGS. APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WILL HAVE SERIOUS HEALTH CONSEQUENCES FOR HIM IN THE COMMUNITY. THE PROCESS OF MANUFACTURING CEMENT INVOLVES FINDING A MIXTURE OF CLAY AND LIMESTONE IN A FURNACE , THE TEMPERATURE PRODUCES

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THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL LIBRARY OF MEDICINE OPERATED BY THE GOVERNMENT IS THE WORLD'S LARGEST MEDICAL LIBRARY WITH HUNDREDS OF RESEARCH PUBLICATIONS DOCUMENTING HEALTH HAZARDS OF CEMENT PRODUCTION IN AND AROUND THE PLANT. ONE SUMMARY FROM THE ABSTRACT STATES THE CEMENT INDUSTRY HAS EVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF STRUCTURE OF THIS ADVANCED AND MODERN WORLD GENERATING DUST DURING PRODUCTION, CEMENT DUST CAUSES LOW FUNCTION IMPAIRMENT, CHRONIC OBSTRUCTIVE LUNG DISEASE, RESTRICTIVE LUNG

DISEASE. >> YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP

PLEASE. >> YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THIS SENT VIA EMAIL SO I WAS TOLD YOU WOULD HAVE IT SO IF YOU WANT TO READ FURTHER AS FAR AS REFERENCES ANYTHING ELSE WHERE THE INFORMATION CAME FROM THERE IS ANOTHER PAGE.

>> THANK YOU. MA'AM. YOU ARE NEXT.

>> OKAY. HOUSES AND ONE CONDO IN THE ADJACENT AREA TO THE PLANT. AND ONE OF THE HOUSES IS WITHIN 300 FEET . IT IS INDUSTRY, THE THIRD-LARGEST SOURCE OF INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION . SUCH AS SULFUR DIOXIDE, NITROGEN OXIDE AND CARBON MONOXIDE.

SULFUR DIOXIDE CAN AFFECT BREATHING AND MAY AGGRAVATE EXISTING RESPIRATORY AND CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE. IT ALSO SUPPORTS OF THE FINDINGS OF DR. CRAWFORD M.D. WHO STATES THAT AN AREA WITHIN FIVE MILES OF A CEMENT PLANT WILL BE A HIGH DANGER ZONE. HARMFUL EFFECTS OF CONCRETE DUST WITH PROLONGED EXPOSURE CAN LEAD TO LUNG CANCER AND OTHER RESPIRATORY DISEASES. LIKE , IT HAPPENS WHEN SILICATE PARTICLES SCAR YOUR LUNGS. AND IT IS AN IRREVERSIBLE AND INCURABLE DISEASE. CONCRETE DUST CAN CAUSE ALLERGIES, SKIN IRRITATION AND OTHER SKIN PROBLEMS. NOISE-INDUCED HEARING LOSS. CEMENT PLANT NOISE UP TO 106 DBA COMES FROM CRUSHERS KILN BURNERS, MILLS AND COMPRESSORS. THE TENDER INSTITUTE FOR URBAN RESEARCH AT RIFE UNIVERSITY MADE THIS COMMENT. IT IS HARD TO BREATHE WITH A CONCRETE PLANT IN YOUR BACKYARD. I

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THERE SINCE THE LATE 1800S. >> THANK YOU.

ADDRESS ] CHANGING THE ZONING , TO THAT AREA NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IS EXTREMELY UNHEARD-OF AND VERY RARE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. THE AIR QUALITY WILL CERTAINLY GO DOWN BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE. THE PLANT ITSELF WILL CREATE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES WITH AIR QUALITY AS WILL THE TRUCKS AND EXHAUST AND JUST AS AN ASIDE ON THE PICTURES YOU HAVE SHOWN I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE POWER LINES THAT GO DIRECTLY OVER THE PROPERTY. NOISE FROM THE PLANT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, NOISE FROM THE PLANT RIGHT NOW IS AN ISSUE. IF IT'S GOING TO BE FROM THE TRUCKS WARMING UP IN THE MORNING FROM 4:00 A.M. AND ALL THESE TRUCKS, I KIND OF THINK THEY RUN IN REVERSE BECAUSE ALL I EVER HEAR IS BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP . LIGHTING. IS THIS GOING TO BE 24/7 ? WILL THE LIGHTS INCREASE AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING AGAIN? WHAT ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE? WILL THEY NEED MORE ELECTRICITY IN THE AREA? WILL IT BE POWER LINES ABOVE GROUND, BELOW GROUND AND WHAT ABOUT WATER? DO WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED FOR ALL THE WATER AND WHAT ABOUT WASTE? IS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? AND DRAINAGE FROM THE PROPERTY. TRAFFIC IN THE AREA WILL CERTAINLY INCREASE. TRAFFIC IN THE AREA IS POOR NOW. I TALKED TO ALEXA AND I SAY GIVE ME THE WEATHER AND TRAFFIC AND IT IS SLUGGISH AT BEST. EVEN THIS MORNING THERE WAS AN INCIDENT ON DOBBS ROAD CUT OFF AND I HAVE LOOKED AT THE TIRE TRACKS AND IT IS DULY TIRE TRACKS , THE ROADS ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH.

GETTING OUT IS A MESS RIGHT NOW. IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. PROPERTY VALUES. THEY WILL GO DOWN. I TALKED WITH REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND BROKERS IN THE AREA. PROPERTY VALUE WILL GO DOWN, WILL TAXES GO DOWN IF THIS IS APPROVED? I DOUBT IT, I WOULD DOUBT IT. IT IS A GOOD COMMUNITY. MORE PEOPLE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING. IT IS A FAMILY COMMUNITY. TAKING KIDS TO AND FROM SCHOOL, THEY ARE ALL WORKING. SO IN CLOSING ALONG THAT LINE, WE WOULD GET A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE IF THIS WAS IN THE EVENING WHEN ALL THOSE PEOPLE WERE NOT AT WORK.

>> THANK YOU. >> PURCHASED OUR HOME IN 2017 AND WE WERE IN THE FIRST GROUP OF HOMES. AT THAT TIME THEY KEPT CARS OVER THERE. IT WAS A CAR LOT. AND THEN WE HAD CEMENT BLOCKS THAT JUST KIND OF APPEARED. NOW THEY WANT TO PUT IN A CONCRETE PLANT. FROM MY STUDY I SEE THEY HAVE ONE IN GREEN COVE SPRINGS AND CLAY COUNTY. WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER ONE , ESPECIALLY IN OUR BACKYARD? BETWEEN THE NOISE AND THE DUST , IT IS OUR HEALTH AND PROPERTY VALUE. WE ALL MOVED HERE FOR WHAT WAS THERE.

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THAT YOU DENY IT. >> THANK YOU. HI I LIVE -- NAME AND ADDRESS ] I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE HEARD ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NOISE . THE VALUE OF HOMES, BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS HEALTH. MY FATHER DIED OF LUNG CANCER, TWO OF MY BROTHERS. I HAVE ASTHMA, MY HUSBAND HAS COPD AND EMPHYSEMA. I WOULD LIKE TO VALUE MY LIFE A LITTLE MORE THAN THIS. I KNOW DOUG BURNETT'S CHILDREN , THEY WERE IN MY CLASSES, I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WOULD RAISE THEM AROUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT IS REALLY SHAMEFUL TO ME FOR SOMEONE TO TRY TO PUT THIS IN OUR BACKYARD. I HAVE 17 GRANDBABIES. I SEE THE CHILDREN PLAYING ALL THE TIME AND I'M SORRY, BUT THIS IS WRONG. PLEASE, EVERY ONE OF YOU TAKE NOTE OF OUR HEALTH AND PLEASE, WE WANT TO LIVE.

WE BOUGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS A QUIET FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE MOVED FROM DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE TO GET AWAY FROM THE NOISE AND TRAFFIC AND THE BREATH OF THE MUD AROUND US. NOW, WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU PUTTING OUR HEALTH IN HARM'S WAY I AM BEGGING YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AND SHAME ON THEM FOR TRYING TO BUILD IN OUR BACKYARD. SHORT AND SWEET, THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. NOTICE A PUBLIC HEARING I'M GOING TO CONSIDER PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE REZONED PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA SO I REFER TO 2025 CONFERENCE OF LAND PLAN WHICH STATES SORRY. I NEED MY GLASSES. IT STATES THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT SUPPOSED TO BE ATTENDED TO PROVIDE AREAS THAT HAVE A MIXTURE OF LAND-USE INCLUDING COMMERCIAL , LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OFFICE AND LOW MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. GOES ON TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY AS THIS GOES A COUPLE PAGES.

WITHIN MIXED-USE DISTRICT HEAVY INDUSTRY USE DISCOURAGED EXCEPT WITHIN A SAVAGE PART ZONE FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL INCLUDING ENHANCED BUFFERING AND SCREENING TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING LAND USE. AS YOU HAVE SEEN THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. HERE IS MY HOUSE, HERE ARE THE PARCELS AND THESE TREES IN BETWEEN, AS WE LANDING ON THE TREES SO THEY ARE NOT UP FOR GRABS OR CONSIDERED A BUFFER TO BE PUT UP BY THE PEOPLE SEEKING THE VARIANCE. WITH REGARD TO RICHARD'S VIDEO ON GOOGLE EARTH, HERE'S A PHOTO I TOOK LIVING IN THE AREA SHOWING ON DOBBS ROAD CUT OFF YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSES RIGHT HERE. THESE PEOPLE DOUBLE-DECKER HOUSES THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK BACK ON TO EVERYDAY. AND MUST BE THE MORNING BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TRUCKS ON THE SITE.

REFERRING TO THE MAP THAT GOES WITH THE PLAN. WE ARE HERE MIXED-USE INDUSTRIAL SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES EXCEPT THE WATER WITH RESIDENTIAL. I ASKED THE AGENCY TO CONSIDER THIS COMPANY INTO PLAN WAS DEVELOPED WITH PUBLIC INPUT VALID THROUGH 25 WHICH SHOWS THE AREA AROUND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS REQUESTED AND FURTHERMORE THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED BECAUSE IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING USE OR THE USE OF ADJACENT WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL RECORDS THESE PARCELS , THIS PARCEL ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL DESCRIPTION IT INDICATES IT IS PART OF THE EASEMENT SO TO NOT BE PART OF INDUSTRIAL PARK AND IT SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM REZONING. THANK YOU.

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>> WALL BACKING UP TO THE MASTER COMPANY . THAT WOULD BE A VERY BAD DECISION TO PUT THERE. WE LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND THERE WERE CARS THERE. I GREW UP IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE MOVED THERE THERE WAS NOTHING BUT CARS AND THEN THE COMPANY APPEARED AND AS FAR AS AIR QUALITY, THAT WOULD BE A VERY BAD DECISION FOR ME MY FAMILY AND CONSIDERING MY COMMUNITY AND FAMILY FOR THE CHILDREN GOING UP THERE. MY HUSBAND DEALS WITH KIDNEY DISEASE AND MY HUSBAND LOVES TO BE OUTSIDE, HE WORKS OUTSIDE WHEN HE GETS HOME HE IS OUTSIDE IN THE YARD. WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE HOME SUCH A TRY TO BRING DOWN OUR HOME VALUE PUTTING UP THIS OR BRINGING IN THE MANUFACTURING IS A VERY BAD IDEA. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. TREES AND THE BUFFER, NO. THE BUILDING IS STANDING WITH NO SITES NO SURROUNDINGS AND NO WALLS OR ANYTHING. IT IS JUST AN OLD SHED WITH NO SIZE OR INSULATION. EVERYTHING IS OLD AND I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS DECISION. THANK YOU.

>> WE ALL HAVE CELL PHONES IN HERE, WE HAVE HAD THREE CELL PHONES GO OFF DURING THIS SHORT TIME ANNUAL PUT YOUR CELL PHONE

ON SILENT PLEASE ? THANK YOU. >> HUSBAND AND I ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS , WE HAVE A CHIROPRACTOR'S OFFICE AND WE LOVE THIS COMMUNITY AND GIVING BACK. I HAVE SAVED MY ENTIRE LIFE TO BUY A HOUSE WHICH IS ONE OF THE HOUSES YOU WILL SEE FROM THE ROAD WE CAN SEE MY SECOND STORY, MY BEDROOM WINDOW IS OVERLOOKING THIS LOVELY PROPERTY. IT IS NOT ONLY AN EYESORE, BUT THE NOISE POLLUTION AND FUTURE POLLUTION OF CONCRETE DUST AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE USED CONCERN FOR ME. I WORK FROM HOME SO I AM THERE ALL DAY EVERY DAY AND IT'S KIND OF SCARY HOW OFTEN I DON'T LEAVE. I SEE OUT MY WINDOW. I WORK FROM MY DESK AT THE WINDOW THAT OVERLOOKS THE AREA. I TRIED TO WORK IN THE FRONT ROOM AND I WILL HEAR JUST AS MUCH SO IT'S BETTER TO BE CLOSER TO MY ROUTER. IT IS LOUD AND THEIR TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT CONSTANTLY. THERE MEN OUT THERE TALKING LOUDLY CONSTANTLY. IT IS A BATTLE AND DISPENSE AT 4:00 A.M. HE IS NOT EXAGGERATING. 4:00 A.M. ALL THE TIME EVERYTHING ALL DAY. I LOVE TO WORK OUT SINCE WE HAVE A CHIROPRACTIC OFFICE WE VALUE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF NOT ONLY OURSELVES, BUT OUR COMMUNITY AND FRIENDS AND WE DO OUR BEST TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY GO IN THE RIGHT TRACK TO BEING HEALTHY. WE EXERCISE OUTSIDE WE RUN, WE WALK DOGS, AND THE DOG WALKER OF MY HOUSEHOLD AND TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE I CANNOT BREATHE AFTER RUNNING OR TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF AND MY HEALTH AND MY ANIMALS, AND CONSUMING THE POLLUTION AND ALSO HEARING ALL THE NOISE ALSO MY SAFETY IN WALKING. I WALK AND RUN ON THE ROADS, I WALK MY DOGS ON THE ROADS, I WALK MY FUTURE CHILD ON THE ROAD AND I AM ALREADY UNSAFE AND UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND HOW HEAVY IT IS AND HOW LOUD AND BIG IT IS. IT IS SCARY, THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT GREAT SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE AFTER THIS HAPPENS, IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN.

IT IS KIND OF SCARY AND I WORKED REALLY HARD TO AFFORD WHAT I HAVE AND I'M TRULY HORRIFIED TO SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF I PROPERTY VALUE WERE TO DECREASE WHICH I KNOW THAT IT WOULD BASED ON TALKING WITH MY REAL ESTATE AGENT AND TALKING WITH FRIENDS. ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAS BEEN TRYING TO SELL HER HOUSE FOR A FEW MONTHS. SHE HAD AN OFFER THAT FELL THROUGH BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS REZONING AND IT HAS NOT EVEN HAPPENED YET. IT IS SCARY, UNCOMFORTABLE AND AWFUL IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. I KNOW NONE OF YOU WOULD WANT THIS IN YOUR BACKYARD. ALL OF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH YOUR KIDS IN YOUR BACKYARD AND YOUR DOGS AND I DO TOO. I ALREADY CAN'T, IT'S ALREADY UNCOMFORTABLE, ALREADY WEIRD , ALREADY TOO LOUD SO I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT'S NEXT.

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THIS. THANK YOU PICK >> HOW MANY NAMES ON THE

PETITION? IF I MAY ASK? >> FOR THE RECORD SHE SAID 25.

SUFFER FROM CHRONIC ASTHMA AND I HAVE FOR MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE AND MY CONCERN PRIMARILY IS MY OWN SAFETY AND ALSO THE SAFETY OF MY NEIGHBORS AND CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN MY HOME.

I ALREADY CURRENTLY AM SUFFERING THROUGH ASTHMA FLAREUP DUE TO HAVING COVID AND GETTING PNEUMONIA FROM HAVING COVID. WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH CONCRETE ANY FRACTURING PLANT DIRECTLY BEHIND MY PLANT -- HOUSE. WHAT CAN THEY DO? THERE IS NOTHING. THEY CANNOT PUT ANYTHING UP TO PROTECT ME FROM HAVING ISSUES DUE TO THIS. I WOULD HAVE TO SELL MY HOME AT A LOSS BECAUSE AS WE SAY PEOPLE ARE ALREADY SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO BUY HOUSES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE IS THIS REZONING HANGING OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE FIVE CHILDREN IN MY HOME, OF THOSE, THREE ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 10 AND THEY ARE OUTSIDE EVERY DAY ALL DAY WITH ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CHILDREN, RUNNING AND PLAYING. IS IN A WORLD WHERE THE CHILDREN CAN PLAY AND BE SAFE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE ALL DAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE WATCHING AND MAKING SURE THEY WILL NOT BE HIT BY A CAR BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAFE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN CHILDREN CANNOT PLAY OUTSIDE ANYMORE? PEOPLE COMPLAIN KIDS ARE INSIDE TOO MUCH AND THEY ARE ON TECHNOLOGY AND THE CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL NO BE ABLE TO PLAY OUTSIDE DUE TO THE DUST AND THE NOISE AND THE LACK OF SAFETY THAT WILL HAPPEN FROM THE PLANT COMING IN. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE SAFE AND NOBODY WOULD WANT THAT IN THEIR BACKYARD. NOBODY, NOBODY WOULD WANT THEIR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN PLAYING IN A CONCRETE MANUFACTURING DUST STORM EVERY DAY. IF YOU WOULD NOT WANT YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN PLAYING THERE THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT MINE? THANK YOU.

ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION AND THE AIR POLLUTION, BUT MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO ROLLING HILLS DRIVE RECENTLY APPROVED A SCHOOL TO GO IN ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. IN SPITE OF PRESENTING THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A DECREASE IN TRAFFIC, I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE INCREASE IN PRODUCTION AND I SUSPECT THAT WILL OFFSET ANY DECREASE AND PERHAPS INCREASE TRAFFIC FLOW ON ROLLING HILLS AND OTHER PLACES. I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF I LIVED AT ASHBY LANDING AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO RESPECT THEIR WISHES. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. BOARD. FOR ASHBY LANDING AND I HAVE FOUR YOUNG GIRLS WHO LOVE PLAYING OUTSIDE IN OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS NOISE POLLUTION. THERE IS A REASON THAT SOUND CONVENIENTLY DID NOT PLAY TODAY. WE HAVE LOOKED UP VIDEOS OF WHAT MAKING CINDERBLOCKS LOOKS LIKE AND IT IS EXTREMELY LOUD THERE'S NO WAY ANY BUFER WOULD NOT MAKE THAT WE HEARD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SECONDLY OUR CONCERN EXTENDS THE QUALITY OF THE AIR WE BREATHE. PEOPLE HAVE SHARED ABOUT THE CHEMICALS AND POLLUTANTS THAT WILL GO INTO THE AIR. THERE ARE STUDIES THAT LINK THE DUST

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THANK YOU. >> WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS ON THE PRESENTATION. TRUSSES HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT AT THE LOCATION IN PROBABLY OVER 10 YEARS. I'M ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS AND THERE WERE CARS THERE. THERE WAS NEVER ANY NOISE THERE SO YOU CANNOT SAY THE NOISE WOULD BE BETTER OR WORSE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NOISE. WHERE WILL THEY GET THE CONCRETE FROM ? THEY SAID THERE WILL BE LESS TRAFFIC, LESS TRUCK TRAFFIC, THEY WILL HAVE TO GET THE CONCRETE, WHERE WILL THE CONCRETE COME FROM? CONCRETE TRUCKS DON'T HOLD THAT MUCH. THEY COULD HAVE CONCRETE THERE 24/7. I ASKED THAT YOU DON'T APPROVE THAT FOR THE NOISE POLLUTION. THE FORKLIFT, ONE FORKLIFT THAT'S A JOKE. THEY RUN THE WHOLE THING WITH ONE FORKLIFT? LIKE THE ABOVE TRUCKS WAITING? THEY WILL HAVE AS MANY FORKLIFTS AS THEY NEED. THANK YOU.

ACTUALLY OFF OF OLD MOULTRIE. JUST EAST OF DOBBS ROAD. THIS BUFFER HERE, YOU WOULD THINK , I FEEL SO BAD FOR ANYBODY IN ASHBY LANDING BECAUSE I CAN HEAR IT EVERY SINGLE MORNING.

I AM A 911 DISPATCHER. I GET HOME AT 6:00 A.M., I WORK NIGHTS AND I TRIED TO GO TO BED AND IT IS CONSTANT ON THIS ROAD BETWEEN THE BEEPING, THE SLAMMING AND BANGING.

EVERYTHING YOU CAN POSSIBLY HEAR FROM THIS ROAD, IT IS REACHING OLD MOULTRIE SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE POOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT UP TO IT. IF THEY WANT TO SAY THEY PUT A BUFFER OR TREE EVERY 20 FEET, YOU'LL NEED MORE THAN THIS.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE, I WISH THIS WAS A LARGER PICTURE, BUT I'M LIVING OVER HERE OFF OF OLD MOULTRIE AND I'M STILL HEARING IT CONSTANTLY. THEY SAY TRAFFIC AND HEALTH, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. WHO IS PAYING FOR ROADWAYS WITH THE BIG TRUCKS? YOU CAN'T EVEN GET DOWN WITHOUT FLYING OFF GOING EASTBOUND BECAUSE IT IS POTHOLE AFTER POTHOLE AFTER POTHOLE. ARE THEY GOING TO TELL US HOW THEY WILL FIX THE ROADWAYS? SO THEY SAY LESS TRAFFIC, THEY'RE TALKING HEAVIER TONNAGE VEHICLES THAT WILL BE ABLE TO DO MASS QUANTITIES AT THIS POINT WITH MORE WEIGHT ON THE VEHICLES.

SO THAT'S GREAT FOR THE ROADWAYS? ABSOLUTELY INSANE TO EVEN THINK. FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I CAN HEAR IT, THE POOR PEOPLE ON MY SIDE HAVE ALL SIGNED THE PETITION ONLINE AS WELL. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF ME. THEY HAVE ALSO BECAUSE THEY HEAR THAT AS WELL.

I REALLY HOPE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WOULD NOT ONLY THINK ABOUT THE ROADWAYS WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE DON'T HAVE HERE WITH THE TRAFFIC, BUT OUR HEALTH, ASHBY LANDING OFF OF OLD MOULTRIE , AS WELL. I HOPE YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND DENY SUCH A THING AS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL NOISES . I THINK EVERYONE OF YOU SHOULD TAKE A DRIVE BY AND SIT IN YOUR VEHICLE, ROLL THE WINDOWS DOWN AND LISTEN TO IT. HE IS RIGHT, THE FORKLIFT AT 4:00 A.M. IS BEEPING. THE NIGHTS OFF WHEN I'M UP IT IS BEEPING AND CONSTANTLY BACKING UP, CONSTANT BACKWARDS AND SLAMMING AND BANGING IS UNREAL TO EVEN FATHOM TO DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU WANT TO PUSH THIS THROUGH I SUGGEST YOU GO AHEAD AND SIT IN YOUR VEHICLE, ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN AND SEE IF THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD LISTEN TO.

ALSO TAKE YOUR CAR THROUGH A CAR WASH AND THEN GO SIT OUT THERE AND WHEN YOU ARE DONE SITTING THERE 20 MINUTES LOOK AT YOUR VEHICLE AND ALL THE DUST. THAT'S WHAT THE GUYS

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JOHNS COUNTY WILL DENY THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU.

NOT IN ASHBY. MY QUESTION REALLY IS IF NOT YOU, WHO IS PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY? I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH FACTOR. I RECENTLY RETIRED AND MOVED HERE NOT EVEN ONE YEAR YET AND I MOVED FROM A PLACE THAT BUILT UP INDUSTRY. NEW YORK, LONG ISLAND, NOW INDUSTRIAL PARK. THEY HAVE BIG INDUSTRY ALL AROUND THE COMMUNITY, SOME OF MY FRIENDS CANNOT SELL THEIR HOUSE. SO, I SAW WHAT HAPPENED. THERE IS AIR QUALITY THAT IS HORRIFIC, HEALTH HAZARDS AND FACTORS WERE A BIG CONCERN , AS WELL. I CAN ONLY GUESS AND ASSUME THAT THE FUTURE DOES NOT LOOK GOOD HERE , IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING REZONING AND IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING REZONING YOU ARE ALSO CONSIDERING INVITING OTHER BIG INDUSTRY WHICH I HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IN MY LAST HOME WHERE I CAME FROM. THIS COMPANY NEEDS A PLACE TO BUILD WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BUILD , BUT THEY NEED TO DO IT IN A PLACE THAT IS ALREADY ZONED.

THANK YOU.

LIVED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE SINCE 2007 AND I LIVE AT 67 MARBLE COURT AND I OWN A HOME AT THE HIGHWAY OF OLD MOULTRIE WHICH BACKS UP TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DOBBS.

THEY BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YOU CAN HEAR THE NOISE FROM THERE. ADDING A CONCRETE BLOCK MANUFACTURING PLANT IS MORE CONCERNING TO ME, AND ONE PERSON SAID EARLIER THE SILICATE DUST SMALLER THAN A GRAIN OF SAND AND YOU PUT IT AT THE CENTER OF SAINT AUGUSTINE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU WILL HAVE SILICATE DUST IN THE FALLOUT OF A PLANT LIKE THIS AT OSCEOLA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. YOU WILL HAVE IT AT THE LITTLE LEAGUE PARKS, YOU WILL HAVE IT AT TREE OAKS PARK.

YOU WILL HAVE THIS ALL AROUND TOWN. WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE BREATHING THE AIR AND IT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR IT. I'M NOT AGAINST BUSINESS. I RUN A BUSINESS, I AM A GENERAL MANAGER THERE AND PROBABLY NEED SOME EXTRA WASHING ON ALL THE PRODUCTS AS A FELLOW BUSINESS, BUT IT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE. THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER PLACE. A LOT OF HOUSING HAS GONE IN UPPER DOWNSTATE ROAD 207. OUR POPULATION IS GROWING AT A SUBSTANTIAL RATE. WHY DO WE WANT TO SUBJECT POPULATION TO ENVIRONMENTAL RISK INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT OUTSIDE OF TOWN? TRULY THAT'S THE PROBLEM. ALSO A COUPLE POINTS THE GENTLEMAN MADE ON THE OTHER SIDE, ROOF TRUSSES , THERE IS NOT A FALLOUT OF HEALTH RISK WITH A ROOF TRUSS, IT MAY BE NOISY BUT THAT WILL NOT AFFECT HEALTH. SURFBOARDS, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF POSSIBLE HEALTH THINGS BUT THEY ARE HANDCRAFTED. YOU'RE NOT EVEN ON THE SAME SCALE. A SMALL LITTLE GUY DOING SURFBOARDS COMPARED TO A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, YOU KNOW THEY ARE NOT FAIR COMPARISONS. THAT'S ALL

I'VE GOT TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

ADDRESS ] WE SHARE, MY BROTHER AND I SHARE A BOUNDARY WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING SUPPLY PLANT THAT IS THERE NOW. I WANTED TO SUM UP THE MEETING, I HAVE SOMETHING I WROTE HERE.

HOW DOES IT GO ON? OH, THERE IT IS. LET ME PUT THIS DOWN HERE. OKAY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO DUE PROCESS, THE AGENT LAW OF QUIET ENJOYMENT SHOULD PRECLUDE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR HEAVY INDUSTRY AND SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO

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>> ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? NOW IS YOUR TIME. IF YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AND HAVEN'T STEP FORWARD PLEASE.

USED TO WORK AT A PLACE THAT SUPPLIED SANFORD CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION. BLOCKS OR WHATEVER. FROM THE CONSTRUCTION AND WE HAD TO WEAR A $40 MASK WHILE WE WERE IN THE YARD PARTICULARLY DURING UNLOADING OF THE SANDWICH HAS A LOT OF SILICATE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL PICK UP ON THE SCREEN. BUT IT IS WHITED OUT, THIS IS THE UNLOADING OF SAND FOR CONCRETE WORK. AFTER JUST A FEW MINUTES, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS AND SEND STAYS IN THE AIR, THE DUST CONTINUOUSLY.

AND IT GETS ALL OVER YOUR VEHICLE, ALL OVER YOUR CLOTHES, I HAD TO BE VERY CAREFUL COMING HOME THAT I HAD TO TAKE MY CLOTHES OFF AND SHAKE THEM BEFORE I WENT IN THE HOUSE. MY WIFE WAS CONSTANTLY COMPLAINING THAT I WAS WALKING IN YOU KNOW FULL OF DUST SO IT WAS EXTREMELY DUSTY IN THE ENVIRONMENT. IT IS EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS. LIKE I SAID WE HAD TO WEAR THESE $40 3M MASKS CONSTANTLY AND WE WOULD STILL EVEN INSIDE OF MY TRUCK WOULD FILL UP WITH DUST , EVEN WHEN I GOT IN MY TRUCK , I HAD SO MUCH DUST ON ME THAT IT WAS CONSTANTLY FULL OF DUST ALL OVER THE DASHBOARD AND EVERYWHERE IN THE TRUCK. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET AWAY FROM IT. SOMETIMES I EVEN WANTED TO WEAR MY MASK DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD. A LOT OF PEOPLE DID THAT DURING COVID , BUT I WAS DOING IT WAY BEFORE COVID WITH A MUCH BETTER MASK. SO I IMPLORE EACH OF YOU TO CONSIDER THESE PROBLEMS WITH THIS TYPE OF CHANGE IN ZONING . IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL ISSUE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS DUST DOES NOT GO AWAY. I HAVE SEEN IT 1000 FEET AT THE OTHER END OF THE YARD AND THAT WAS IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. T WAS IN A REMOTE AREA AND THERE WERE NO HOUSES AROUND IT WITH NO BUILDINGS AROUND IT AND IT WAS ONE SMALL CREEK THAT THE EPA USED TO COME IN AND I MEAN RANDOMLY ALMOST EVERY TWO OR THREE MONTHS. THEY WOULD TAKE SAMPLES OF THE CREEK WATER AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> REZONING IS A NIGHTMARE. I HAVE A HEAD INJURY FROM A PRIOR ACCIDENT AND MY HEALTH IS ALREADY AT RISK BECAUSE OF THAT. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THIS TO IT? AND ADD TO THAT DECREASED PROPERTY VALUE, INCREASED TRAFFIC , THE ONLY THING YOU ARE NOT DOING IS BUILDING A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT NEXT-DOOR. THANK YOU.

TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE MR. BURNETT WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME GIVE REBUTTAL?

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FROM A POLLUTION STANDPOINT, PART OF THE REASON AND NOISE PART OF THE REASON WE FILED THE APPLICATION WE REALLY DID INCLUDING LINKS TO WHERE YOU CAN SPECIFICALLY LINK TO THE VIDEO OF THE OPERATION AND SPECIFICALLY LINK TO THE VIDEO OF THE MACHINE ITSELF AND DOWNLOAD , WE'RE TALKING THE MACHINE AND IS NOT THE MACHINE OF THE OLD INDUSTRY. IT IS A MODERN MACHINE WHICH IS WHY IT'S AUTOMATED. IT HAS INTERNAL FEATURES THAT DO NOT ALLOW THIS TYPE OF DISCHARGE AND BY THE WAY WE ARE NOT CONCRETE MANUFACTURING. THE SILICATE DUST AND ALL THOSE THINGS SURE IT IS RIGHT IN THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET IS CONCRETE MANUFACTURING BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IT AND THE PROCESS USED FOR THE BLOCK MANUFACTURING. KEVIN DECKER IS HERE AND CAN TALK TO IT. SOME OTHER POINTS IN HERE. ALL NECESSARY POWER IS ON SITE TO RUN THE MACHINE. IT WAS ON SITE FROM BACK IN THE MAIN BUILDING SUPPLIES DAYS SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ELECTRICAL ISSUE . TRAFFIC WILL BE REDUCED BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE 3 MILLION BLOCKS PER YEAR BEING BROUGHT TO THE LOCATION. THE ONLY BLOCK PLANT AROUND IS IN DUVAL COUNTY. THE BLOCKS, TO THIS LOCATION ARE BEING RAIL CARD FROM SOUTH FLORIDA TO THIS AREA, TAKEN OFF THE RAIL CART AND THEN TRUCKED TO THIS LOCATION. YOU WILL HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF SEMI TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING TO THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF THIS AND AGAIN YOU ARE REDUCTION IN FORKLIFTS. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL RUN. LET'S SEE. THERE YOU GO. I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, INTERESTING RELATED TO ASHBY LANDING , THIS DOES NOT RELATE TO OUR PROJECT. IT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THIS IS ASHBY LANDING PUD. BECAUSE ASHBY LANDING PUD CAME INTO THE COUNTY, ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL USERS , THEY SAID WAIT A SECOND WE OPPOSE THIS RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. THE DEVELOPERS OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IN 2014 IN THIS ROOM ARE PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE STANDARD 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WE WILL ADD 40 MORE FEET , NOT ONLY 40 MORE FEET WILL THROW IN A SIX FOOT TALL CONCRETE BLOCK WALL. WE WILL PUT IN TREES, OAK TREES AND OTHER LOWER-LEVEL TREES TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A SOLID BUFFER AND THAT IS ALL RIGHT THERE ON PAGE 8 IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND PARAGRAPH ASHBY LANDING PUD MASTER PLAN THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT IS WHY THIS AREA OF TREELINE GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN. BY THE WAY THE NOISE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER USERS ON DOBBS ROAD AS YOU KNOW THAT HAVE OPERATIONS RUNNING ALL DIFFERENT TIMES. SO, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE COMMENTS WERE COMING RELATED TO MASTER OR EVEN IF THEY ARE ADDRESSED. THIS IS ACTUALLY , YOU CANNOT HEAR THE AUDIO. THIS IS THE 2014 PUD APPROVAL OF ASHBY LANDING WHERE KAREN TAYLOR MAKES REPRESENTATION FOR THE APPLICANT AND DURING THE HEARING YOU HAD TWO THINGS GOING ON, ONE IS THEY WOULD DO THE BUFFER. THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THEY DISCLOSED AND PUT DISCLOSURES. MIKE ROBERSON SPOKE DURING THE HEARING AND SAID WE WILL MAKE SURE THERE IS DISCLOSURE ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL NEXT-DOOR ABOUT DOBBS ROAD BECAUSE OF THE OPPOSITION FROM THE INDUSTRIAL RELATED TO ASHBY LANDING BEING APPROVED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. IN FACT IN THE ASHBY LANDING STAFF REPORT FROM 2014 IT SAYS APPLICATION CAME BEFORE PZA ON JUNE 4TH AND JUNE 19TH , 2014 AND IT WAS CONTINUED SOME CONCERNS WERE PROXIMITY OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO DOBBS INDUSTRIAL AND BUFFERING PRESENCE OF HOMES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOBBS CUT OFF

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OBVIOUSLY ARGOS IS NOT LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT AND I'M NOT SAYING A SURFBOARD COMPANY OR NOT IS THE END-ALL BE-ALL FOR THIS APPLICATION. I POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THAT IMPLIES RETAIL SURF SHOP IMPLIES RETAIL AND IT'S NOT. IT IS SENDING AND EPOXY AND SENDING OF THE FIBERGLASS SURFBOARD. THERE IS

MORE TO IT THAN SIMPLY. >> I NEED YOU GUYS TO BE QUIET, YOU GUYS ALL HAD YOUR CHANCE AND ALL YOU'RE DOING NOW IS SPEAKING BEHIND HIS BACK. PLEASE STOP AND IF YOU DON'T I WILL ASK YOU TO LEAVE AND WE WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK SO YOU CAN COME BACK AND BE QUIET. THANK YOU.

>> THERE IS SO MUCH MORE IN THE AREA. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. WE CAN'T GET THE AUDIO TO PLAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS AND THINK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF WHAT IT TAKES TO DO AUTOMOBILE REPAIR, BODYSHOP, THE NOISE THAT IT MAKES, THE GRINDING, THE TRAILERS FOR THE BOAT FACILITY BRIGHT THERE AS WELL. LOOK AT THE SANDING FOR THE FINISH WORK. YOU LOOK AT TIRE REPLACEMENT AND THE NOISE THAT IT MAKES. I WISH I COULD RUN THIS, POPPING A TIRE ON A WILL MAKES A HECK OF A BANGING NOISE. LOOK AT THE AIR RATCHETS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE AIR RATCHETS AND THE NOISE THEY MAKE WHEN YOU RUN UNDER THE GUN , I HAD VIDEO ON HERE WITH SURFBOARDS SHOWING THE PNEUMATIC SANDER THAT RUNS, THERE YOU GO. JUST IN THE FINISH WORK OF A SURFBOARD MANUFACTURING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE GOT FROM MASTER CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS AS AN OVERVIEW OF THOSE ISSUES AND OVERVIEW OF HOW THEY SEE THINGS PANNING OUT AT THIS LOCATION WHICH NOW THIS HAS BECOME THE NORM, THIS PRODUCT THAT I SHOWED THE VIDEO ON EARLIER. IT IS NOT SOME BIG LOUD INDUSTRIAL BANG BANG BUNCH OF NOISE. IT IS, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU, LESS NOISE THAN MANY OF THE USERS THAT ARE ALREADY LOCATED ON DOBBS ROAD. YOU DO NOT HAVE BIG LOUD BANGS AND GRINDING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SURE YOU HAVE A MACHINE RUNNING CREATING THE BLOCK, BUT YOU ARE ALSO REDUCING THE NUMBER OF BLOCK COMING TO THE LOCATION AND MOVING OUT RATHER THAN COMING TO BE SORTED AND THEN SENT BACK OUT. SO IT IS A DRY CAST MANUFACTURING PRODUCTS.

WITH THAT I WILL JUST SAY THIS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS NOT BLOCK ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY BEING MANUFACTURED, IT IS GOING TO REDUCE AND WE PUT IT IN WRITING IN THE STAFF REPORT IN THE PRESENTATION HERE. IT WILL REDUCE THE PRICE OF BLOCK BY $.25 PER BLOCK MINIMUM. THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS FROM WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH BLOCK AND THE OTHER THING IS THE SHORTAGE. WHAT HAPPENS IS WHAT MASTERS DEALS WITH IS THE ORDER BLOCK AND THERE'S TIMES WHERE THEY CAN'T GET THE BLOCK. SO ALL THE INDIVIDUAL SUBS OR CONTRACTORS THAT NEED BLOCK TO BUILD A HOUSE, THEY CANNOT GET THE BLOCK SO MASTER CONSTRUCTION PRODUCT IS ORDERING WHEN THEY CAN SO THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN THEY HAVE MORE THAN THEY WANT BUT THEY NEED IT BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT AGAIN. THIS WILL TAKE OUT SURGES IN THE LOCAL MARKET. I DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE VALUE OF BLOCK, BUT AGAIN ONE FINAL HIGHLIGHT BECAUSE IT IS HIGHER WAGE EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING AND SAFETY MEASURES THAT GOING TO PLACE WHEN YOU HAVE A MACHINE LIKE THIS ON THE PROPERTY, SO WE REALLY THINK AND APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE MADE , BUT WE THINK THIS IS A WIN-WIN ALL THE WAY AROUND. IT IS NOT SOME BIG PLANT THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A BUNCH OF NOISE IT JUST SIMPLY IS NOT. AGAIN KEVIN IS HERE TO SPEAK IF YOU HAVE QUESTION FROM THEM. WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT RICK WOULD MAKE IT AS WELL BUT

HE WAS UNABLE. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS. I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT MACHINE BUT ARE THE TRUCKS BRINGING IN SAND AND THEN THAT GOES INTO THE MACHINE, EXPLAIN THE PROCESS

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TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASE. >> I MAY LEAN ON KEVIN, CONCRETE WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE SITE AND THAT WILL GO INTO

MAKING THE BLOCK. >> CONCRETE WILL BE BROUGHT IN.

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

ALL THE BAROMETERS ARE MIXED ON SITE AND THERE WILL BE NOT READY MIX TRUCKS COMING IN WITH CHARGING DRUMS AND NOISES THAT THE EQUIPMENT MAKES. IT WILL BE PRODUCED ON SITE AT THE TIME OF USE AS A REDUCES AND ELIMINATES WASTE. A LOT OF POSITIVE FACTORS TO THAT BASICALLY HAVING TO PRODUCE ON

SITE. >> IS THAT CONTAINED IN A BUILDING OR OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING?

>> SILOS WILL STAND OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE PRODUCED FROM CONVEYORS THAT GO INTO THE BUILDING THERE. WHICH I THINK THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THAT AS WELL AND THAT IS PRODUCTION

AS WELL. >> IS THAT GOING TO BE 24

HOURS? >> WE RUN A SINGLE SHIFT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT NOW WE WILL NOT BE RUNNING 24/7.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

>>

CONCRETE OR SAND? >> RINGING IN THE RAW MATERIAL. CEMENT WILL COME IN, THE SILOS WILL HOLD ROUGHLY 3 TANKERS AT THE TIME SO THAT WILL BE USED ONCE A WEEK SO YOU WILL SEE THAT COMING IN. THE SAND IS BROUGHT IN BY TRUCK AS WELL AS THE REMAINING INGREDIENTS OF ROCK AND SAND.

EPA PERMIT? >> YES SIR WE HAVE ALREADY

FILED. >> WHAT TYPE OF PERMIT?

>> IT IS A AIR PERMIT . THEY DO MONITOR. YES SIR.

>> SO, WHAT OTHER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE, NOT TALKING INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES ARE ON DOBBS ROAD?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT ACROSS THE STREET IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. THAT IS A CEMENT ANY FRACTURING WITH A HUGE BUFFER. IT IS QUITE NOISY AND BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT IS CREATING CONSIDERABLE AIR POLLUTION AND NOISE. THE BUFFER THAT YOU SHOW FOR ASHLEY LANDING , NOW THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. IT IS NOT THERE. NOTHING LIKE THAT IN REALITY.

>> WHEN YOU TAKE A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER AND YOU TAKE THE 40 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS PHYSICALLY THERE, THE SIX FOOT WALL, THEY HAVE 50 FEET OF OFFER AND ON OUR SIDE YOU WOULD HAVE 30 FEET OF SEA BUFFER AND IN THE BUFFER WE

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>> WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE 100 FEET OF POWER AND

LIGHT RIGHT AWAY. >> OFTEN I TRY TO ANALYZE THINGS AND SPEAK IN TERMS OF ANALOGIES. HOW MANY OF US IN OUR HOMES HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND FRONT YARD AND A FLOWER BED EXTENDING FAR BEYOND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT? YOU KNOW YOU ARE STILL ABLE TO DO THINGS, EVEN IN THE AREA SO JUST BECAUSE THE LAND IS ENCUMBERED BY EASEMENT YOU CAN SEE THE EASEMENT RUN ALL THROUGH DOBBS ROAD. YOU CANNOT BUILD A STRUCTURE THERE, BUT YOU CAN STORE MATERIALS ALL DAY LONG.

>> YOU WILL UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL PROCESS.

>> NO, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT EASEMENT.

>> WHENEVER THERE WOULD BE OTHER OPERATIONS CARRIED WITH SOME INVOLVED OUTSIDE IN THAT AREA IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT IT IS PERMANENTLY FIXED. YOU AND I MIGHT BE SAYING THE SAME THING IN DIFFERENT WAYS. WE CAN PARK TRUCKS, WE CAN PUT IN RACKS AND STACK. 30 FEET HIGH CONCRETE BLOCKS CURRENTLY. IN THOSE

LOCATIONS. >> 30 FEET HIGH OKAY.

>> CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

>> LET ME ASK ABOUT YOUR SURF SHOP COMPARISON I DID LOOK AT THAT BLACK PRO CREATIONS OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, ONE GUY SHAPING SURFBOARDS. AND THEY DO SELL THEM THERE? SO I JUST, I AM WONDERING IF YOU OR THE STAFF COULD ANSWER THIS BECAUSE I ASKED BEFORE, WHAT OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTY HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL BACKED UP TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE 2014 BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU SHOWED AND WHAT WAS PROMISED TO WHOM, BUT I THINK THAT IS MOOT AT THIS POINT WAS CYPRESS BAY ON THE NORTH SIDE AND DOBBS ROAD CUT OFF. YOU HAVE ASKED BE LANDING AND OTHER RESIDENTIAL AROUND THERE. WE CAN LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTO AND SHOW THAT. WHEN I DROVE UP AND DOWN , I DID NOT SEE ANY LARGE . I SAW SOME AIR CONDITIONING REPAIR SHOPS. SOME PLUMBING SUPPLY AREAS AND PLUMBERS AND THE BOAT REPAIR AND VARIOUS EXTERMINATOR COMPANIES HAD WAREHOUSES WHERE THERE WERE SUPPLIES KEPT AND EVEN COOK A BRO COFFEE AS A WAREHOUSE OUT THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THESE ARE THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SITES?

>> AS YOU AND I TALKED YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE, YET SEEN THE ARGOS SITE WAS THERE. PERHAPS YOU DID NOT SEE EVERYTHING THERE. OR THE THINGS BEHIND ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF DOBBS ROAD. THE BIGGER USERS THAT ARE SOMETIMES LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT ROW BUSINESSES FOR YOU ONLY GET THE VIEW FROM THE AERIAL, FOR EXAMPLE ADVANCED DISPOSAL GARBAGE TRUCK STORAGE YARD AND CONTAINERS STORAGE YARD. AND THE BOAT MANUFACTURING REPAIR FACILITY.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT I DID NOT SEE EVERYTHING AND THERE WAS A LARGE BUFFER CYPRESS SWAMP FOR ARGOS AND I DID NOT DRIVE TO THE NORTHERN END OF DOBBS ROAD I HAVE BEEN TOLD I CANNOT TRESPASS AS MEMBER OF THE PZA. I DID LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS. SO, I AM PRETTY GOOD AT LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS AND INTERPRETING. SO IS THIS THE MAP WE ARE SHOWING NOW?

>> YES IF I MAY. THIS IS THE MAP WE HAVE OF THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

THEY ARE AT U.S. 1 AND INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY. SO

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WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THE THINGS MR. BURNETT HAS COMMENTED ON ABOUT THE GARBAGE TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE HI ZONING WHICH IS ORIGINAL ZONING IN THE COUNTY IT DOES ALLOW FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND ACCORDING TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TYPICAL USE IN THIS CATEGORY AFFECT PACKAGING AND ASSEMBLY PLANTS , WAREHOUSING WITH OR WITHOUT DISTRIBUTION CENTER, LUMBER YARDS , LARGE-SCALE PRINTING PLANTS, PAPER PRINTING OPERATIONS, DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, OFFICE ROOMS VEHICLE RECYCLING FACILITIES , COMPOSTING AND OTHER YARD WAYS , EXTERMINATION, PEST-CONTROL, STORAGE YARD AND IT GOES ON AND ON. AND SKIPPING SERVICES, GARBAGE HAULING, REPAIR SHOPS, ALL TYPES OF REPAIR AND STORAGE. BOAT AND RV STORAGE, WAREHOUSE, INDOOR CHEMICALS AND OTHER FACILITIES . ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES VETERINARY OFFICES VOCATIONAL-TECHNICAL AND TRADE SCHOOLS AND

COMMERCIAL RECREATION . >> THAT IS WITHIN INDUSTRIAL

WAREHOUSES. >> SOME OF THE USES POINTED OUT IS BEING MORE ON THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SITE ALLOWED IN THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE CATEGORY. ZONE CORRECTLY WITH RESPECT TO THE CONCRETE PLANT , I BELIEVE CONCRETE PLANT HAS BEEN THERE MANY YEARS. IT IS ZONED HI. IT MAY BE OPERATING NOW AS A NONCONFORMING USE.

RELATED TO THE CONCRETE PLANT AND THIS GOES BEYOND WHAT WAS COVERED, YOU CANNOT COVER EVERYTHING IN ONE SHOT, BUT TO ADD , IT VERY WELL MAY BE A VESTED USE. FOR ARGOS BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORY. I DON'T THINK IN 1960 WHEN THIS BECAME INDUSTRIAL THAT THEY EVER DIFFERENTIATED BETWEEN TYPES OF INDUSTRIAL. WE ARE PRODUCT CATEGORIES AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE DEFINITION GIVEN RELATED TO INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE USES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLOCK MANUFACTURING IT IS CLOSE TO THE MANUFACTURING USES . IT IS NOT FAR OFF SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT TO YOU IT IS COMPATIBLE WHAT IS ALLOWED ON THIS SITE. TO A LARGE DEGREE. ESPECIALLY WITH THE MODERN PROCESS.

>> I DO NOT SEE IT AS EQUIVALENT OR COMPATIBLE. SO THE MAP MR. BISHOP SHOWED OF THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SITES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARE AT THE ST. MARK'S INDUSTRIAL SITE THERE SO NONE OF THOSE REALLY ABUTT SINGLE-FAMILY

RESIDENTIAL AREAS CORRECT? >> FOR THE MOST PART, YES.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SCATTERED RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE

BACK IN THE AREA. >> I KNOW SOME LIVE BACK THERE. WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS ON THAT. A YEAR OR TWO AGO.

>> OKAY. I COULD READ SOME THINGS FROM THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY DID SITE VARIOUS COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS. REVIEW BY STAFF FOUND PROPERTY LOCATED IN AN AREA DEVELOPMENT ALONG DOBBS ROAD WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE HOWEVER DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF ASHBY LANDING PUD BACKS UP TO THE YARDS OF A DOZEN HOMES BACKING DIRECTLY UP AND CONTINUOUS WITH THOSE AND AFFECTS A LOT MORE WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVIDING BUFFER SCREENING STANDARDS FOR USE WITH REZONING TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LIMITED TO CONCRETE BLOCK MANUFACTURING MAY NOT BE WITH BUFFERS AND SCREENING GIVEN THE INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED USE ALSO SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN

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IT. >> RECOGNIZING THE ASHBY LANDING PUD CAME AFTER THE CURRENT USE WAS ALLOWED , I DON'T SEE HOW YOUR PRESENTATION CONVINCES OR PROVIDES EVIDENCE THAT THE DUST WILL NOT BE WORSE THAN IT IS NOW WHICH IS A STANDARD, THE NOISE WILL BE WORSE. WE DON'T EVEN REALLY HAVE ANY INFORMATION I CAN SEE IN HERE THAT TELLS ME THE SETBACKS ARE NOT WORSE OR THE HEIGHT IS NOT WORSE OR DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE IN THE REPORT OR IN YOUR PRESENTATION. SO, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US AND PROVIDE IN TERMS OF EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT WHAT IS THERE NOW WILL NOT GET ANY WORSE WITH OPERATIONS OF THIS PLAN.

>> IF I CAN CONFER WITH KEVIN FOR ONE MOMENT LET ME SAY THIS. WE ARE PUTTING IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS FAR AS THE BLOCK MANUFACTURING PORTION WITH NOISE BUT WE DO HAVE TO CONCRETE BLOCK THAT WE WOULD DO A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL IN BETWEEN THE MACHINE AND ASHBY LANDING. IT IS NOT A PROBLEM AND FOR THE REST OF IT.

WAS TEED UP TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES. ON THE NOISE KEVIN , WE JUST CONFERRED AND HE CANNOT FATHOM ANYTHING ABOUT THIS BECOMING NOISIER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW. 2 1/2 OR 3 MILLION BLOCKS TO AND FROM WITH ALL THE FORKLIFTS BEEPING , THE NOISE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS A PROBLEM AT ALL. MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE SOME DATA RELATED TO THAT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

TO QUANTIFY IT AS FAR AS NOISE VOLUME AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR SOME OF THOSE I SHOWED IN THE VIDEO. BUT THE DUST IS THE PURPOSE OF THE SILO. AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT YOU WOULD HAVE A SILO OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THAT IS A SINGLE ISSUE. NOTHING WOULD BE BUILDING ITSELF.

>> LET ME ASK STAFF A QUESTION. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SETBACKS HEIGHT BETWEEN THE CURRENT ZONING ?

>> THE HI ZONING FOR THE SETBACK IS 15 FRONT, 15 SITE.

THE HI OF THE SAME WITH NO CHANGES IN THE SET BACK. THERE IS NO HEIGHT LIMIT IN HI WITH RESPECT TO VARIOUS FACTORS DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS FOR THE COUNTY. FOR THE MOST PART THERE IS NO HEIGHT LIMIT. THERE IS BOTH STANDARDS THAT ARE THE SAME WITH RESPECT TO THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND

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DEMONSTRATED , I WILL GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN HISTORY WHEN I SAID ON THE BOARD AND THE SAME THING, THEY BUILT THAT PLACE THERE WAS NOBODY. ABOVE WHERE QUINCY IS TODAY ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE RAILROAD IS I DO THINK IT IS ALL INDUSTRIAL.

WE WERE GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM THE CONDOS OF NOISE COMING ACROSS THAT WAY. THIS IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH GREAT PEOPLE. I'M NOT SURE PUD SHOULD OF BEEN APPROVED.

THIS WAS HERE . INDUSTRIAL WHEN I WAS A KID. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN INDUSTRIAL. I WAS THERE BEFORE THE CUTOFF AND NOBODY KNEW WHERE IT WAS. THIS IS A PROBLEM WE WILL CONTINUE TO FACE AS RESIDENTS GET MOVED INTO AREAS WHERE WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL OR HI WAREHOUSING. WE ARE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. WE WANT THE JOBS TO STAY HERE . WE HAVE RESIDENTS GETTING BACKED UP TO HI AND HEAVY OR INDUSTRIAL PLACES AND IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

>> INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE OTHER OPTION FOR THE LOCATION. IN THE WHOLE COUNTY. IF IT IS NOT HERE.

>> I GUESS , I WAS TRYING TO THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON IT. I ASSUME THEY KNEW IT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL ROAD EVERYBODY WRITES UP AND DOWN AND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I THINK THAT IS IT, THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT.

AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT PLACES. TO DO MORE TYPES, WE DON'T DO WALL MATERIAL. I CONSIDER THIS AN ASSEMBLY, WE DO A LOT OF PARTS ASSEMBLY AND THERE ARE VERY FEW RAW MATERIAL TYPE MANUFACTURING THAT STILL FALLS UNDER THAT INDUSTRIAL. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT DOBBS ROAD WAS AND IS AND WHAT IT'S FOR. AND THIS IS A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, GREAT PEOPLE. UNDERSTAND , THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT DECISIONS.

>> OKAY. MY CONCERNS ARE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT . I WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS. I DID LOOK AT THE INFORMATION ON THE ZERO SALE FILTER FROM THE SILOS. I THOUGHT HE SAID THERE WOULD BE THREE, BUT MAYBE I WAS THINKING OF THE PLANT FOR ARGOS, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE HEIGHT ON THE SILOS OR IF IT IS ONE THAT WILL BEENOUGH FOR MANUFACTURING?

>> I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AS WE WERE DISCUSSING. TRYING TO PULL IT UP TO WHERE WE COULD SEE THE DETAIL , UNFORTUNATELY I CANNOT SEE.

>> IT IS PRETTY SMALL. >> WE HAVE A GROUND HOPPER LOADER WHICH WE CAN SEE ON THERE.

ON THE PROPERTY NOW. I CANNOT SPEAK FOR ARGOS. THERE IS ONLY A NEED FOR ONE AND ALL THAT WILL HOLD IS THE BOOK CEMENT.

TO ADD TO THE COMMENTS ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THIS AREA HAS NOT BEEN PRESUMED AS A BLOCK MARKET IT IS A WOOD FRAME MARKET MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE WOOD FRAME. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT THINK ABOUT AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WE RAN INTO THROUGH COVID AND THE LACK OF MATERIALS IN THIS AREA IS THE FACT THAT YOU THROUGHOUT 60 TO 75% OF THE HOUSES BUILT OFF GRADE SO ALL HOUSES ARE BUILT OFF AND WITHOUT THAT YOU ARE NOT BUILDING HOUSES. SO THERE ARE TWO CONCRETE BLOCK MANUFACTURERS IN THIS AREA. BOTH IN JACKSONVILLE, ONE IN

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MASONRY MARKET. >> MAYBE YOU CAN HELP WITH THIS. I AM JUST WONDERING , THE CEMENT AND THE SAND AND THE AGGREGATE GOES INTO THE STORAGE WERE ONLY THE CONCRETE? JUST THE CEMENT? NOT CONCRETE, CEMENT. SO NOW WHERE IS THE FILTER? AT THE FIELD POINT OR EXIT POINT?

>> THE FILTER IS AT THE TOP OF THE SILO SO THE TAKERS, AND PUMP THE SILO FULL OF CEMENT, ANYTHING OUTSIDE WITH ANY PRESSURE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM IT HAS TO ESCAPE SOMEWHERE SO THAT'S TO THE BACK HOUSES AT THE TOP OF THE SILO WHICH PREVENTS AND I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME BUT MINUSCULE PARTICLES ARE ALLOWED THROUGH THAT WHICH ELIMINATES THE

CEMENT DUST AND SILICATE. >> AND OTHERS A EFFORT TO REDUCE THE SILICATE CONTENT IN MANUFACTURING , BECAUSE WE DO NEED THIS FOR THE WORLD AS IT IS. MY CONCERN IS THEN YOU HAVE DONE RESEARCH, YOU HAVE CHECKED INTO THIS AUTOMATED PROCESS TO MAKE THE BLOCKS AND WE REZONED , IF THIS GETS APPROVED . THEN YOU WILL SELL IT SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN AND IT IS REZONED. WHO IS TO SAY THE NEXT PERSON WILL NOT HAVE THE SAME INTEGRITY TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SAFETY AND CARE . YOU SAID YOU HAVE EPA PERMIT ALREADY GOING FOR THE AIR . I WAS TOLD YOU NEEDED OPERATIONS PERMIT AS WELL WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE RENEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WERE TOLD OR NOT NECESSARY WITH THE SIZE OF THIS? OKAY, HE DID NOT KNOW THE SPECIFICS. HE PUT IT OUT AS THE EPA. SO, WOULD THERE BE A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING ANOTHER CONDITION TO THOSE CONDITIONS, THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE USED FOR BLOCK IF THIS SYSTEM OR BETTER AS TIME GOES ON AND WE IMPROVE IS PART OF IT. SO THAT WOULD REDUCE HEALTH RISK TO THE NEIGHBORS. NOT SAYING I AM IN FAVOR, BUT I'M WONDERING IF YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT AS A CONDITION AND I DON'T KNOW MAYBE MR. TAYLOR COULD HELP WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF

THAT IS APPROPRIATE. >> I THINK WHAT SHE IS ASKING IS SINCE YOU ARE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE ZONNG AND A LOT OF THESE EVIDENCE SUBMITTING IS YOUR PROCESS IS CLEANER AND BETTER IF YOU COULD WORK OUT ANOTHER CONDITION TO WORK WITH THE PROCESS AS YOU INTEND TO PUT IN TO KEEP FROM LESS CLEAN SITES COMING IN AFTER YOU IN THE SAME ZONING.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD HAVE OPPOSITION.

>> MY NEXT CONCERN, THERE WERE THREE THINGS ON THE CONDITIONS.

THE SECOND THAT THE PROPERTY ALONG THE ENTIRE ABUTMENT WITH ASHBY LANDING AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS INTENDED TO BE CLEARED TO BE USED AS STORAGE OR ANY PART OF THIS. YOU ARE ONLY ASKING FOR REZONING OF A PORTION OF THOSE

PARCELS CORRECT? >> IT WOULD BE REZONING OF BOTH OF WHAT YOU ARE THINKING OF TWO PARCELS THE REZONING OF BOTH. THE SECTION CLOSEST TO ASHBY WOULD HAVE AS WE STATED AS A CONDITION A 30 FOOT WIDE STANDARD A BUFFER.

>> I UNDERSTAND, ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WEBSITE MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD TO LOOK LIKE TWO PROPERTIES. ONE SHAPED LIKE A L AND ANOTHER LIKE A BLOCK AND THEY WERE JOINED TOGETHER SO YOU DON'T ON THE PROPERTY THAT EXTENDS ALONG THE INTERFACE WITH ASHBY LANDING?

>> LET ME SPEAK TO THAT. THERE ARE TWO PARCELS. ONE PARCEL FRONTING DOBBS ROAD AND ANOTHER NEAR ASHBY. SO, ONE CLOSEST TO DOBBS AND ANOTHER NEAR ASHBY, THE ONE CLOSEST TO ASHBY THE APPRAISAL DATABASE. THIS IS NOT PART OF THE TOTAL.

>> SO THAT IS RIGHT NOW WHERE HOUSING.

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>> CORRECT IT IS EQUAL PARCELS.

>> THERE IS NO INTENTION TO USE THAT LINE TO CLEAR AND USE IT FOR STORAGE? OKAY. THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE HAD AND THE OTHER WAS , THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE MOVED AND RELOCATED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW SOUND AIR QUALITY WOULD AFFECT THEM. SO , I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE PROBABLY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

FOR YOUR TIME. >> MR. DECKER YOU ARE PROBABLY RELEVANT TO THIS QUESTION. WHY THIS PARTICULAR SITE? WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR SITE?

>> WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVE THERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMING UP 20

YEARS NOW. >> YOU'RE THE ONES WITH THE BLOCKS AND MANNING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SITE?

>> WE LEASE THAT FROM MANNING. WHY NOT THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK , WHY NOT MOVE IT OUT THERE WHERE IT'S NONADJACENT.

>> WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY UNDER OPERATION SINCE WE MADE THE DEAL WITH MANNING AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE IS WHERE DO YOU HAVE TALK ABOUT RENTING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE ON U.S. 1 AND THE PARKWAY WHERE WE FIRST STARTED IN 2005. YOU ALREADY HAD MIXED PLANTS AT THAT TIME AND AS FAR AS AVAILABLE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSE SPACE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD GO. YOU HAVE A SECTION OFF OF 207 BACK TOWARD , I GUESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 95 .

I HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO WHAT THE ZONING IS, BUT WE ARE HERE AND UNDER OPERATION AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT , YOU KNOW CERTAINLY I DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT ANYBODY ELSE, FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY AND A BIG PART OF THAT IS REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC. IN BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE MARKET THAT HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE NEEDED

IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. >> OKAY, GOOD ANSWER. HOW HIGH ARE THE SILOS GOING TO BE? DO THEY USE THE CURRENT SILOS? SILOS. THEY ARE ON-SITE, NOT INSTALLED.

>> HOW TALL WILL THOSE BE? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT

INFORMATION WITH ME. >> ABOVE 35 FEET?

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT. >> THEY ARE ADJUSTABLE. THEY ARE LOADED FROM THE BOTTOM SO THEY SIT ON A STAND AND YOU CAN ADJUST TO WHATEVER HEIGHT NEEDED. YOU CAN GO ABOVE THE

HEIGHT OF THE WAREHOUSE. >> I THOUGHT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL COULD ONLY HAVE A HEIGHT LIMITATION .

>> IT IS FUNCTION ON OUR PART.

>> SO YOU ARE CONFERRING SO I WILL WAIT.

>> ALL OF THE SILOS AND WHERE THE MANUFACTURING FACILITY IS, WHERE IT IS NOW ALL THE PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT WILL BE ON THE DOBBS ROADSIDE ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SO WE ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MOVE AS FAR AWAY FROM THE BARRIER WALL BETWEEN SUBDIVISION NOW AND WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE. ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO

>> OKAY. LET'S SAY WE REZONE TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WHAT IS TO PREVENT 10 YEARS FROM NOW ALTHOUGH I'M PLANNING -- SURE YOU'RE PLANNING TO STAY, BUT WHAT'S TO PREVENT YOU FROM 10 YEARS FROM NOW SAYING WE WILL HAVE MINING HERE, WE HAVE A NICE HARD Y SUBSTRATE WE'RE GOING TO MINE AND START MINING THAT? THIS IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL YOU CAN DO MINING AND

EXTRACTION. >> THIS IS STILL TO KEEP AT HI ALLOWING ADDITION OF BLOCK MANUFACTURING .

>> YOU JUST SHOWED A COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING FROM 2014 SAYING NOTHING WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE PUT A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE AND THEY WILL NOT COMPLAIN. IT'S IN THE DEEDS

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AND ALL OF THAT. >> THIS WOULD BE COUNTY CONTROLLED. COME IN FOR COMMERCIAL PLANS TO DO YOUR COMMERCIAL PROJECT AND THE COUNTY SAYS ZONING ON THIS HAS CONDITIONS SO IT'S NOT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IT IS A COUNTY REGULATING. SO THE COUNTY WILL NOT LET YOU BEGIN WITH

EXTRACTION IN THE ZONING. >> I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH THAT IF IT IS ALREADY ZONED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IT IS MUCH EASIER TO CHANGE ONE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE TO ANOTHER CHANGE THOSE CONDITIONS IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. NOT WITH HEAVY INDUSTRIAL BUT WITH REZONING. WE HAVE SEEN IT HERE.

SO, I ASKED A QUESTION TO THE BEGINNING, WHAT PART OF THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE OLD SAINT AUGUSTINE HEIGHTS INDUSTRIAL PARK? THE WHOLE THING, HALF OF IT OR DOES IT STOP AFTER THE POWER AND LIGHT RIGHT-OF-WAY? HOW MUCH OF THE SITE IS IN THE

OLD INDUSTRIAL PARK? >> GENERALLY OF A NORTH AND SOUTH DIVIDER LINE. THIS MAY NOT BE EXACTLY PRECISE , BUT IF YOU GO TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL DATABASE AND LOOK AT THE PARCELS, IF YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HEAR YOU CAN SEE THE DOTTED LINE. EVERYTHING ON THIS SIDE IS VERY CLEARLY IN THE INDUSTRIAL AND ON THE SIDE OF THE LEFT IS ANOTHER PARCEL WHICH EXTENDS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL DATABASE. WE ARE CUTTING THEM OFF AT THE

SAME LEVEL. >> SO THE EASTERN HALF WAS WITHIN THE OLD SAINT AUGUSTINE HEIGHTS INDUSTRIAL PARK AND WESTERN HALF IS NOT. THAT'S WHAT I ASKED YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE. CAN YOU HAVE A MAP THAT CLEARLY SHOWS WHAT WAS IN THE OLD INDUSTRIAL PARK AND WHAT ISN'T? THAT'S WHAT I ASK AND WHAT I AM STILL ASKING. MAYBE STAFF CAN CLARIFY.

>> YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. IF WE WERE ONLY GOVERNED BY THE INDUSTRIAL PARK YOU CAN DO MINING AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, ANY INDUSTRIAL YOU DREAM OF. BECAUSE OF WHAT INDUSTRIAL ZONING WOULD HAVE BEEN PRIOR TO 1975.

>> MY POINT IN BRINGING THIS UP IS THE STAFF REPORT THAT TALKS ABOUT DISCOURAGING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE OF EXISTING INDUSTRIAL SO HALF THE SITES APPARENTLY OR MORE IS OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PARK.

>> THAT IS INCORRECT BECAUSE IN 1975 HE WOULD HAVE THE COUNTY ZONING COMING INTO PLACE AND HAVE NOT HAD A ZONING CHANGE IN THE AREA. IT HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL SO THE LEFT PARCEL DOWN TO THERE ON THE COUNTY ZONING MAP IS INDUSTRIAL

WAREHOUSE. >> INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE BUT NOT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL THAT'S MY POINT. IT IS NOT INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I ASKED YESTERDAY AND THAT'S WHAT I

ASKED SEVERAL TIMES TODAY. >> THIS IS AS CLOSE OF AN

ANSWER AS WE ARE GETTING. >> THE ANSWER IS YES IT IS INDUSTRIAL, YOUR POINT IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN THE COUNTY IS ONE AREA.

>> RIGHT. SO THE GENTLEMAN WHO WROTE THE LETTER SAYING IT WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED FOR A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SITE TO BE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL PUD WAS CORRECT? BECAUSE WHAT IS AT ST. MARK'S POND IS SCATTER HOUSES IN THE WOODS. IN THE FLATWOODS AND HAMMOCKS. SUE IT IS NOT A PUD.

>> IS IN THAT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET?

>> REALLY CLOSE. >> I DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE OBJECTED TO THE INDUSTRIAL USE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

>> THAT'S WHAT MR. GREEN WAS SPEAKING TO EARLIER. THEY ORGANIZED OPPOSITION TO THE INDUSTRIAL OF THE CEMENT FACTORY AND THE ROCK CRUSHER AND THE OTHER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

IT IS PRETTY POPULAR. >> ON THE CORNER OF INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY AND U.S. 1 OR WAS THAT BACK IN THE

WOODS? >> THAT IS WHERE THE CORNER OF

INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY WAS. >> I CAN SEE PEOPLE GETTING UPSET ABOUT THAT. NOT BACK IN THE WOODS SO MUCH.

>> IT WAS RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST AND YOU HAVE THAT ON THE RIGHT AND YOU CAN SEE INDUSTRIAL USE ON THE LEFT AND THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IT. YOU REALLY WIND UP WITH WHERE DO YOU GO IN THE COUNTY?

>> WHAT WAS THE DISPOSITION OF THAT CASE? IT WAS DENIED.

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>> THERE ARE SOME USES THERE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT I AM SHOWING NOW ON THE SCREEN IS THIS PORTION WHERE YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE, THAT PORTION IS WITHIN THE SAINT AUGUSTINE INDUSTRIAL PARK AS IT EXISTED AND IT WAS PLATTED IN THE 60S, I BELIEVE. THIS PORTION IS NOT. THERE IS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT EASEMENT SO THAT'S WITHIN THE AREA THAT THERE ARE BUILDINGS AND THINGS CONSTRUCTED ON THE EASEMENT.

SO THAT IS THERE AND THEN WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION? THANK

YOU. >> I MAY HAVE, NOW I DON'T

REMEMBER. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE ONE EASY QUESTION. DOES THE 30 FOOT BUFFER

OVERLAP WITH THE EASEMENT? >> ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> SEEING NONE BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. UNLESS THERE IS DISCUSSION.

>> IF WE WERE TO ADD THE CONDITION OF WHATEVER THE SPECIAL USE MAY MAKE IT SO THEY HAVE TO USE ENVIRONMENTAL, HOW WOULD WE WORD THAT AND WITH THAT HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO AN APPROVED MOTION TO GO ON ?

>> IF YOU MAKE MOTION FOR APPROVAL THEN MAKE THE MOTION AND MOTION FOR APPROVAL BASED

CONDITION. >> YOU DON'T NEED TO ADD

ANYTHING . >> OKAY THANK YOU.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF 2023-20 DOBBS ROAD PLAN REZONING BASED ON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MOTION FOR DENIAL. TO HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK

ANY DISCUSSION? >> SO , TO ME THE QUESTION HERE IS WHAT DO WE HAVE NOW AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED THE INFORMATION ADEQUATE TO SHOW WHAT WE WILL ALLOW WILL BE THE SAME AS WHAT WE HAVE NOW PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO SOUND AND DUST BOTH OF WHICH ARE MEASURABLE AS I UNDERSTAND. WE COULD MEASURE THE SOUND AND DUST THAT EXISTS NOW FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING I WOULD THINK IN EVERYTHING FOR A SIMILAR PLANT THEY HAVE THAT SO I WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD , THAT THEY HAVE THAT

INFORMATION. >> I DON'T SEE WHERE ANOTHER SIX-FOOT WALL MAKES A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE NOISE WILL TRAVEL TO THE TOP OF THE WALL IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL WALL, HOWEVER SOME DECENT TREE COVER WITHIN 10 FOOT TREES THAT WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO GROW WHICH WOULD HELP SO I THINK , WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDING SILOS THAT DON'T EXIST NOW AND OTHER SILOS , BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO KNOW HOW TALL THEY WILL BE. FINALLY I WANT TO POINT OUT 60 TO 70% OF THE HOUSES ARE FAIRLY CONFIDENT BUILD ON GRADE AND NOT OFF GRADE , JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE SAID HERE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I SOLD A LOT AND THE BUILDER BUILT A HOUSE WITH A STEM ALL. THOSE ARE MY REASONS

FOR THE MOTION. >> I WANT TO MENTION ONE FINAL ITEM. THIS IS A HONORABLE COMPANY THAT OPERATES OUT NOW AND ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I UNDERSTAND BETTER WHY THEY HAVE CHOSEN THIS SITE. I CAN DISAGREE WITH THE LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS AROUND IT DECIDING A 25% BLOCK SAVINGS THAT MAY BE SUBSTANTIAL. I DON'T THINK THAT AND PEOPLE'S HEALTH ARE CONCERNS AND THE QUIET USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY WILL OVERRIDE THAT. THEY ARE NOT EQUIVALENT TO ME. SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THOSE ASPECTS AND I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AT THIS LOCATION.

>> I HAVE NO

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>> I REALLY AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I THINK THIS IS CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T AGREE WITH, SO IF WE HAVE NO OTHER DISCUSSION THAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON THE TABLE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. A YES VOTE

WOULD BE A VOTE TO DENY. >> OKAY,

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>> I ALSO WATCHED THE VIDEO. >> I HAD A PREVIOUS SITE VISIT

AND I WATCHED THE VIDEO. >> I WAS NOT ABLE TO

WORK. >> YOU NEED A NEW PHONE.

>> IF YOU DID WATCH THE VIDEO THAT WAS SENT, PUT IT ON THE RECORD. OKAY THANK YOU. WILL THE APPLICANT GO AHEAD AND

COME FORWARD? >> HI I AM TO AND MY REQUEST IS FOR RECONSIDERATION OR WAIVER OF THE ONE YEAR TIME LIMIT FOR THE FENCE MODIFICATION.

>> WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? >> I SENT THE PRESENTATION, CAN I GO THROUGH A COUPLE SLIDES? OKAY. THANK YOU. MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING BEHIND MY HOUSE AND RECENTLY A NEW OWNER HAS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND STARTED TO PUT RECREATIONAL VEHICLES IN AND HE IS STARTING TO RENT THEM OUT AND THEIR BUILDING SHEDS. NONE OF THIS IS ALLOWED, BUT IT HAPPENED. CODE ENFORCEMENT I REPORTED THE ISSUE JUNE OF 2023 THAT THEY WERE ILLEGALLY RENTING OUT THE RVS. THEY ARE PLUGGED TOGETHER WITH EXTENSION CORDS AND YOU CAN SMELL SEWAGE COMING FROM SOME OF THEM IN THE SHEDS AND THEY CONTINUE TO BUILD MORE STRUCTURES. CODE ADVISED THERE IS NO SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS CONSTANTLY OUT TWICE A WEEK, THEY REPORTED OVER 100 CALLS IN 2023. ST. JOHNS FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE PEOPLE BURN HOUSEHOLD WASTE THERE IS ONE NEW TRAILER YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT WHERE THEY STARTED , THEY OWN A DEMO COMPANY AND THEY BRING HOME DEMOLITION EQUIPMENT FOR STUFF THEY GET AND BURN IT IN THE FRONT YARD. THESE ARE THE HARDSHIPS THAT ME AND MY NEIGHBORS PRESENTED TO YOU IN DECEMBER. WE HAD ORIGINALLY A SIX FOOT FENCE WHICH GIVE US EIGHT FEET AND SOME OF US HAD TAKEN IT OUT AND REPLACED WITH THE EIGHT-FOOT. PROPERTY OWNER HAD , A TREE FELL DOWN AND THE FENCE THAT WAS GUARDING THE HOA AREA HAD TO BE PUT UP AND AMITY REFUSED TO DO THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE NONCONFORMING PROPERTY. BECAUSE OF THAT THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION HAD TO PUT UP A NEW FENCE AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE HERE THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE THE FENCE WE PUT UP THEY THOUGHT WAS TOO HIGH. THE HARDSHIPS, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW. I DID SEND A VIDEO OF THANKSGIVING MORNING OF WHAT I HEARD FROM MY KITCHEN AND I RAN OUT TO DO. I HAVE ABOUT 12 OF THOSE VIDEOS. IT HAPPENS ABOUT ONCE A MONTH. SO THE PEOPLE IN THE RVS BEHIND ME HAVE THESE VIOLENT ALTERCATIONS. SO THAT'S WHY I AM HERE. A COUPLE MORE THINGS

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THEY ARE STARTING TO CLOSE MY TICKET AND THAT PILE IS THE GARBAGE BEHIND MY FENCE. SO I'M DEALING WITH EXCESSIVE NOISE, DEALING WITH GARBAGE, DEALING WITH BUILDING ILLEGAL STRUCTURES THAT IS GOING ON AND NOTHING SEEMS TO HAPPEN ABOUT IT. JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE THE AC UNIT ATTACHED TO THE SHED BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SHOW IS EVEN IN THE LEGITIMATE MOBILE HOMES THAT ARE ALLOWED WHICH I THINK ORIGINALLY THERE WAS 13 THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED IN. THESE TRAILERS ARE MOBILE HOMES THAT SIT UP HIGHER THAN THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. SO I WANTED YOU TO SEE HOW HIGH THEY ARE ABOVE THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. WITH THE DECK THAT THEY HAVE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO SEE OVER AND INTO OUR YARD. SO YOU KNOW IF THIS WAS 55 AND UP WITH WONDERFUL PEOPLE LIVING THERE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE HERE. THESE ARE BEING RENTED OUT TO CRIMINALS AND DRUG ADDICTS AND HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM OTHER STATES. THAT ARE COMING HERE. THAT IS MY LAST SLIDE. THAT'S WHY I AM REQUESTING THIS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO? BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR MOTION.

>>

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> DOES THIS ENABLE HER TO PUT UP A 10 FOOT FENCE?

>> THIS ENABLES HER TO COME BACK AND GET THE SAME PRESENTATION WHICH SHE WILL BE ASKING AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A ECISION THEN WHETHER TO GIVE HER A 10 FOOT FENCE.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. WITH NO DISCUSSION LET'S VOTE.

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>> IS THERE ANYTHING I NEED TO BRING BACK WITH ME? ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL NEXT TIME?

>> PROBABLY NOT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> SO THE APPLICANT IS AWARE SHE WILL NEED TO FILE A NEW APPLICATION FOR THIS LOT TO ALLOW FOR THE HIGHER FENCE SO THAT WILL BE A NEW VARIANCE APPLICATION.

>> NOTED. >> ITEM NUMBER THREE.

>> I DID A SITE VISIT IN JUNE. OKAY.

>> ERNOON. 35 N. MOORE LANE PALM COAST FLORIDA PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF , WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TRY TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND WE ROCK THE SPECTRUM IS A PLAYGROUND FOR ALL KIDS FOCUSING ON INCLUSION. WITH KIDS ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM THE SIDE WE HAVE PICKED OUT IS ONE FOR LIBERTY CENTER PLACE IN THE PICTURE THERE SOUTH OF

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THIS IS ONE OF THE AERIAL VIEWS OF THE FACILITY IT IS THE LAST BUILDING ON THE ROAD GOING STRAIGHT BACK SO IT IS A DEAD-END. ANOTHER AERIAL VIEW AND SHOWING BUSINESSES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND THE OVERHEAD VISUAL YOU CAN SEE THE FENCE UP TOP AND THE AREAS SURROUNDING THE TREES.

NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING NEW TO THE EXTERIOR. WE ARE WITH THE PRESENT SITE PLAN CURRENTLY 16 PARKING SPACES LIKE MANUFACTURING AND SALES FOR A LIGHTING COMPANY BEFORE SO WE KNEW WE HAD TO ADD SPACES WE DO HAVE A DIAGRAM TO ADD ADDITIONAL SPACES TO BE COMPLIANT. THIS IS THE PARKING SITE PLAN WAS 16 SPACES, NOW EXTENDING TO THE 22 THAT IS REQUIRED. ANOTHER THING TO MENTION IS WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE , YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT IS PLACED BACK WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC TO BE HAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT WOULD BE IN AND OUT OF THE GYM AND TO THE SIDE. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GYM. IT WILL HAVE THREE USES PROVIDING FOR THE CHILDREN ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM. INDOOR SAFE PLAYGROUND TO INVITE OPENPLAY IF A CHILD COMES IN SUPERVISOR BY THE APPEARANCE THEY GET UP TO TWO HOURS OF PLAY. PRIVATE RENTAL WHICH IS PRIMARILY ON THE WEEKEND IF YOU HAVE AN AUTISTIC CHILD THAT WANTS TO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY YOU CAN OF THE PARTY THERE AND IT IS CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC AT THAT POINT WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF NEWS BLASTER MEDIA BLAST TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW IT IS NOT OPENPLAY THAT DAY. WE EXPECT THAT TO BE PRIMARILY IN THE WEEKEND AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE A DROP OFF WHICH WOULD ONLY BE ON PROBABLY LIKE FRIDAY NIGHT AND IF YOU WANT TO GIVE PARENTS A BREAK YOU CAN HAVE THEM DROP THE GET OFF FOR TWO HOURS AND YOU COULD PICK THEM UP, THEY WOULD HAVE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO JOIN. THE REGULAR HOURS OPERATION WOULD BE 96 SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WITH THE DROP OFF ONCE A MONTH WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR THIS TYPE OF GYM. IT COULD EXTEND TO 8:00, THAT WOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE LATEST. MOST AROUND THE BUSINESSES ARE MONDAY TO FRIDAY, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT LATER HOURS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT BUSIEST TIME WOULD BE THE WEEKEND. AREAS IN THE GYM , TODDLER AREA, PRETEEN LOUNGE, AND THE MAIN AREA WILL HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. SO WE WILL BE MAKING SURE THE RIGHT KIDS ARE USING THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT. ONE OR TWO STAFF WILL BE ON-SITE AT ALL TIMES, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT AND MY DAUGHTER , JENNIFER WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS STUCK TO AND SHE

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>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROPOSAL BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT ON PAGE 8 OF THE STAFF REPORT SECTION WHICH SAYS IN ORDER TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN MODEL USE OF ZONING DISTRICT AND COMMERCIAL RECREATION THE OPERATION OF THE PRIMARY RECREATION USE SHALL NOT BE OR SHALL BE LIMITED TO HOURS OF OPERATION OPPOSITE OF EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USE. AND THEN IT SAYS OFFICE HOURS NOT INCLUDED.

I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF IS THERE SOME WAY TO CREATE A CONDITION THAT SAYS WE RECOGNIZE THIS CONDITION IN

THIS CASE? >> I MIGHT DIFFER WITH THAT, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY AS THE PZA TO WAVE A SPECIFIC PROVISION , NORMALLY THAT IS ADVERTISED BUT THE APPLICANT WOULD MAKE THAT REQUEST TO SAY CAN I WAIVE THE PROVISION OF SPECIAL USE AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE WE WOULD ADVERTISE THAT. SO IN THIS CASE I DON'T THINK IT CAN DO THAT. IN THIS

AFTERNOON. BUT AGAIN . >> I AM ON PAGE 8 OF THE STAFF REPORT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM FIGURING OUT WHICH SECTION

IS IT LDC? >> SECTION 2.04 , 2.0 3.43 ON

THE BOTTOM. >> ONE PAGE FURTHER DOWN.

SPECIAL USE DURING NONBUSINESS HOURS?

>> INDUSTRIAL AROUND YOU IS EIGHT UNTIL FIVE AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE UNTIL NINE. I DON'T LIKE IT. I AM IN

OPPOSITION. >> I WAS THINKING OF THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS AND IT WAS NOT SPECIAL USE.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD JUMP OUT IS I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE ON THE RECORD OF WHAT THE ACTUAL HOURS ARE FOR THE OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THERE. THIS HAS BEEN SUBMITTED SO FAR, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS PUT IN EVIDENCE. NOBODY IN OPPOSITION HERE TODAY IS SAYING THAT THEY AREN'T, IT IS POSSIBLE SOME ARE USED ON WEEKENDS OR LATER HOURS. SO I DON'T THINK YOU WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.

>> OKAY. >> WE HAVE THE CROSSFIT GYM WHICH IS OPEN ON THE WEEKEND.

>> EVERYBODY WORKS FROM 9:00 UNTIL 6:00 DURING THE WEEK.

AND:00 IN THE MORNING UNTIL 6:00 IN THE EVENING.

>> YES THAT'S WHAT THE HOURS WOULD BE. THE CROSSFIT GYM IS

FIVE A.M. UNTIL 7:30 P.M. >> SO THERE IS EXISTING BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT ARE OPEN AT THE TIME SO I'M NOT SAYING THERE IS A CONFLICT .

>> ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER

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[4. ZVAR 2023-30 204 Duckwood Lane.]

>> SECOND. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S TAKE A VOTE. THE MOTION

PASSES. >> THANK YOU.

>> ITEM NUMBER FOUR. MR. HARRIS ANYBODY ON THE AGENCY WITH EX

PARTE ? >> YES MADAM CHAIR I DID A SITE

VISIT TO THIS LOCATION. >> ANYONE ELSE? GO AHEAD MR.

HARRIS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, WE HARRIS TERRITORY MANAGER IN JACKSONVILLE ON BEHALF OF THE , WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY AT 204 DUCKWOOD LANE. I'M HERE TO REQUEST A ZONING VARIANCE TO ALLOW A SWIMMING POOL AND SCREEN ENCLOSURE IN THEIR YARD. THE PROPERTIES LOCATED WHERE THAT IS RIGHT THERE. RESIDENTIAL C NOT REQUESTING ANY LAND-USE CHANGE AT THIS TIME. ZONING MAP YOU CANSEE THE HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTY. FACES DUCKWOOD LANE RUNNING BEHIND , THERE IS NO ACCESS CONNECTED TO THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE ANGLE WHICH IS PART OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT POSES SOME CHALLENGES WHEN CONFORMING TO THE SETBACK THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN. THE ANGLE OF THE PROPERTY LINE NORMALLY ALLOWS 22 FEET TOTAL FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WITH A FIVE FOOT BUFFER . WENT TO THE 10 FOOT BUFFER WHICH AS THE CODE WOULD BE 17 TOTAL FEET.

ASSUMING FIVE FEET OF DECKING AND A FOOT OF COPING BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE PULL LEAVE 16 FEET FOR THE POOL WITH A FIFO BUFFER OR FIVE FOOT SETBACK REQUESTED AND 11 FEET WITH THE, FOR WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE TRYING TO DO IS GET A LAP POOL AND 11 FEET IS NOT PRACTICAL FOR WHAT THEY ARE GETTING TO. HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE YARD SITE . 3-D RENDERING OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO. OBVIOUSLY HAVING A SCREEN ENCLOSURE. TO NOT HAVE THAT ON HERE FOR VISIBILITY PURPOSES. REQUESTING VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE UNUSUAL SHAPE OF THE LOT. DO NOT HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST AS OF THE FACT IT WOULD BE IN THEIR INTEREST AS THE OTHER OPTION, TO FOLLOW IN THAT PROPERTY LINE TO COME UP HERE AND DELIVER LIKE THAT. TO CONFORM TO NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT SENSE AND EVERYTHING. THE , THE UNDUE HARDSHIP ON PROPERTY OWNER IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS A THROUGH LOT WHICH TECHNICALLY REQUIRES 25 FEET AS IT HAS TWO FRONT YARD, BUT I DID FIND ANOTHER COLD THAT ALLOWS TO MOVE TO 10 FEET BUT IN THIS CASE WE ARE REQUESTING FIVE. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE. ALSO THE HOA HAS AGREED TO ALLOW US TO BUILD UP TO A FIVE FOOT

ACCESS BUFFER. >> ANY QUESTIONS? MISS

SPIEGEL. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE POOL? WHAT ARE THE TWO BIG BLOCKS THERE IN

THE VERY FRONT. >> THAT IS A SUN SHELF TALKING

ABOUT RIGHT HERE. >> THAT IS A SUN SHELF TANNING LEDGE. YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT THERE IS A LAP LANE FOR THEM

TO SWIM LAPS. >> SO THERE IS NO WAY TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SO YOU CAN BE IN CONFORMITY WITH

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THE SETBACK? >> IF WE CONFORM TO 10 FEET, LIKE I SAID THE 11 FOOT TOTAL WIDE POOL, WE BUILD 100 SOMETHING POOLS IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF AND THAT WAS

BY CUSTOMER REQUEST. >> SO THAT'S THE HARDSHIP THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE THE POOL AS WIDE AS THEY WANT? SORRY

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. >> THEY CANNOT HAVE A POOL THAT IS A STANDARD SIZE OR UNIFORM SIZE BASED ON WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND THE AREA.

>> THEY COMMENTED THAT THE BIRDCAGE ENCLOSURE IS RIGHT ON THE ROAD. I WAS THERE, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF BUFFER AND IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE EASEMENT SO THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE DRIVING. AND THEN YOU HAVE FRONT YARDS THIS IS TWO FRONT YARD SET BACKS BECAUSE THE BACKYARD IS IN THAT ROAD. SO HAVE A TALK WITH NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET? I KNOW THE HOA APPROVED IT FOR THE AREA THAT I'M TRYING TO PICTURE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO OTHER

NEIGHBORS. >> I CAN PROBABLY PRODUCE ANOTHER PICTURE , GIVING THE VIEW OF THE BACK IF YOU NEED, BUT WE SENT OUT NOTICES TO EVERYONE IN A 300 FOOT AREA AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS COMPLAINED.

>> OKAY THANK YOU SIR. >> I THOUGHT I READ IN THE APPLICATION AND I DON'T HAVE WRITTEN MATERIALS IN FRONT OF ME THAT THE POOL WOULD BE 16 BY 32 AND I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU

SAY 11 FEET WIDE? >> 11 IF WE ENFORCE THE 10 FOOT WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT DOWN TO 11 AS OPPOSED TO 16.

>> OKAY SO YOU ARE PERSONALLY OKAY WITH HAVING FIVE FEET FROM THE ROAD? THAT IS WHAT THE STAFF REPORTS AS. FIVE FEET

OFF THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY. >> THE PROPERTY LINE, LET'S

SEE. >> I THINK THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL SPACE BETWEEN THE ACTUAL ROAD AND THE PROPERTY

LINE. >> MAYBE FIVE FEET ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SO I GUESS THE ROAD HAS A BIT OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO THIS WILL BE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? WHY NOT PUT IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE YARD?

>> DOWN HERE? >> YES.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN , I GUESS WE CAN DO THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HOA WILL NOT ALLOW SCREEN OUTSIDE OF THE FOOT PRINT OF THE HOUSE FROM THE AESTHETIC STANDPOINT SO THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED.

>> SO IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE?

>> YES SIR. >> THIS IS THE BACK OF THE

HOUSE. >> THAT'S THE PATIO.

>> WE SAW THE PATIO AND ALL OF THAT.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? WITH AND WE ARE BACK TO AGENCY FOR MOTION. MR. MATOVINA.

>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 2023- 25 BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL? >> I THINK HE JUST DID ITEM 5.

[5. REZ 2023-25 Steely Residence.]

>> WAIT A MINUTE. AM I SUPPOSED TO BE DOING FOUR? OKAY I WENT THE WRONG WAY. MOTION TO GET AN APPROVAL ZVAR 2023-30 2023-3204 DOGWOOD LANE BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT.

DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES 5-1, THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ANY EX PARTE SEEING

NONE . MR. STEELY . >> GOOD AFTERNOON. PROPERTY OWNER. I THINK , LET ME SEE WE'VE GOT A MAP. BASICALLY

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BACK IN 2008 IT WAS REZONED AS A PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT THAT NEVER HAPPENED, NOW IT IS PLANNED AND EXPIRED THAT' THE TECHNICAL TERM AND I AM ASKING YOU TO BE REZONED BACK TO OPEN RURAL, I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.

THIS IS ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS I HAVE ASKED FOR BOTH OF THEM TO BE REZONED BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I WOULD COMBINE INTO ONE. ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT CAN BE SOLD AND MORTGAGED . I RAN INTO ISSUES THEY WOULD NOT WRITE THE MORTGAGE ON BOTH PARCELS THERE WOULD ONLY WRITE ON ONE PARCELS WE WORKED HER WAY AROUND IT BUT IN THE FUTURE I WOULD LIKE TO COMBINE AND MAKE IT ONE PARCEL. THE SECOND PORTION IS THIS AREA HERE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE CREEK THAT IS ALL WETLAND. NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN THE WETLAND REPORT BECAUSE WETLAND REPORTS THE LARGER PORTION THAT IS ONLY ABOUT 2 1/2 ON THE HIGH GROUND AND THAT IS WHERE THE HOUSE HAS BEEN. I DON'T HAVE A HOUSE PLAN AT THIS POINT I HAD NOT PAID THE ARCHITECT I DO NOT WANT TO HIRE THE ARCHITECT UNTIL I KNEW I HAD ZONING THAT WOULD BE APPROVED FOR A

SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. >> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YES. FOR MY INFORMATION SINCE HE WAS TO GO BACK, IT'S FINE WHEN THE TIME RUNS OUT FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING DOES ZONING GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY?

BECAUSE >> I CANNOT ANSWER THAT

BECAUSE. >> ASKING THE STAFF.

>> SOMEBODY ASKED. >> CURIOUS OBVIOUSLY WHAT'S

THE PROCESS? >> THE PROPERTY DOES NOT REVERT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL ZONING. ST. JOHNS COUNTY PRD IS ZONING DISTRICT AND NOW WOULD EXIST WITHIN EXPIRED PRD OR PUD THAT HAS EXPIRED , THEY JUST HAVE THE ZONE PUD OR PRD IN THIS CASE WITH THE EXPIRED DEVELOPMENT WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO DOING MAJOR MODIFICATION TO UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THAT POINT WHATEVER YOU'RE COMING WITH IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THE APPLICANT IS COMING INTO REQUEST PRD GO AWAY THEN THE ZONING GO BACK. TO DO THAT

THEY WOULD NEED TO REQUEST. >> EITHER WAY WHETHER THEY CONTINUE TO GO ON OKAY THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE? BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR MOTION.

[6. REZ 2023-26 Fidus Warehouse & RV/Boat Storage.]

>> APPROVE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZ 2023-25 STEELY ROAD PRESIDENT -- AS BASED IN STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. ANYBODY HAVE

EX PARTE? >> YES, I SPOKE WITH MATTHEWS AND WENT TO THE SITE WITH THE LANDOWNER AND WE DISCUSSED AND TOOK A TOUR OF THE PROPERTY.

>> HI. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING FROM OPEN RURAL TO INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE .

AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED FAR SOUTH OF STATE ROAD 16 THE SITE IS 4.7 ACRES APPROXIMATELY 30% IS NATURAL EXISTING LAKE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED-USE DISTRICT AND AS I STATED THE EXISTING ZONING IS OPEN RURAL RESIST -- REQUESTING TO GO TO WAREHOUSE WE HAVE THE ZONING AND LAND USE MAPS ON THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE ON THE ZONING MAP ON THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN THE IW IS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTING THIS REZONING. SEEKING TO HAVE

[02:45:01]

>> DR. HILSENBECK YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> I AM ALL FOR THIS AND FINE WITH IT. READING THROUGH THIS AND LOOKING AT IT, ON PAGE 8 OR FIVE, EXCUSE ME. EVEN WITH MY GLASSES ON I CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE. IT SHOWS THE WAREHOUSES AND OFFICE ON THE PARCEL OVER ON IW NOT THE PARCEL WE ARE REZONING CORRECT OR AM I MISREADING THIS?

>> THE PARCELS SHOWN AS WAREHOUSES ON THE NORTH PARCELS, THOSE ARE CONCEPTUAL THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO EVENTUALLY PUT ON THE SITE AS WELL, THE ZONING EXISTS FOR THOSE. HE HAD US TO THE OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN OF THE VISION.

THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PARCEL IN QUESTION WOULD BE THE RV PARK STORAGE ON THE SOUTHERN SITE.

>> NOT IN THE WATER. >> YES NOT IN THE WATER AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT THE SITE PLAN.

>> TYPICALLY WE DO NOT REQUIRE FOR CONVENTIONAL BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT HIS GOALS AND PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY WERE.

>> OKAY I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE LOCATION. IT LOOK LIKE THERE ARE SOME NICE LONGLEAF PINE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH. I HOPE THOSE WILL REMAIN. NOT ENOUGH OF THEM LEFT. ON PAGE 9 IT SAYS IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF REZONING TO UTILIZE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. I WANT TO ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. THE WAY IT HAS BEEN PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY MUST AUTHORIZE MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED-USE RESIDENTIAL AS ALLOWABLE USE IN ANY AREA ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED-USE AT 40% OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT OR BELOW THE 120% AMI AND PROPOSE MULTIFAMILY MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT FOR A PERIOD OF AT LEAST 30 YEARS. IF THERE WAS A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY, WITH THAT WITH THAT

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THE LEGISLATION? >> THE EASY QUESTION IS THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE RECORDED AND THEY RUN WITH PROPERTY SO LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EXPIRING OR SUNSET CLAUSES IN THEM. THE HARD QUESTION BECAUSE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IS SO NEW AND HAS NOT BEEN CHALLENGED IS AT WHAT LEVEL CAN THEY PENETRATE ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE PUT ON THEM. CURRENTLY WE ARE WORKING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT ANY BETTER THE WAIVERS THEIR RECORDING AS PART OF THE CHANGES IN ZONING , BUT CASE LOCK A CHANGE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT IS UNKNOWN, THERE IS A REPAIR BILL GOING THROUGH THE HOUSE AND SENATE THIS YEAR, TOO. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT WILL FINALIZE.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. GOOD ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE PHOTOGRAPHS. I WANTED TO COMMENT THIS IS A NICE LOCATION WELL-MAINTAINED. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE FOR THIS. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

[7. REZ 2023-31 Biera Mar Lots.]

>> COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SIX? BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR MOTION.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL 2023-26 WAREHOUSE WITH CONDITIONS BASED UPON PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ANY

EX PARTE? >> I SPOKE ABOUT THIS ON

MONDAY. >> THAT IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

>> I TRY TO TOUCH YOU I CALLED YOU ABOUT IT. SHE WAS LIKE THAT'S NOT ME. I DID DO A SITE VISIT.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE ME

FEEL BETTER. >> I ALSO DID A SITE VISIT.

>> OKAY. , HAD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THIS PARCEL OF LAND THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO REZONE THEM TO RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ANASTASIA CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THEY ARE HERE ON THE MAP DENOTED FOR YOU CURRENTLY IN A JOINT TO SOME OTHER PROPERTIES. IN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE NORTH AND ALSO TO THE EAST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONE AS RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. GIVING YOU THE AERIAL LAYOUT OF WHERE THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED.

JUST NORTH OF PALMETTO AND SOUTH OF EAST MAGNOLIA AND FRONT A1 A WITH REAR ALLEY NOT VACATED AND THAT LEADS OUT TO PALMETTO. HERE WOULD BE A PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY THEY ARE 60 FEET WIDE AND 117 IN DEPTH ON ONE END, 150 ON THE OTHER SWAY HOME WOULD FIT NICELY 1800 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. AND A SIMILAR SITE FOR A LOT FOUR AND THREE. AND THERE IS A FULL OVERVIEW FOR YOU AS WELL. SOMETHING THAT HAS BECOME A CONVERSATION BEFORE WHEN I COME BEFORE YOU TO REZONE WAS HOW CARS WOULD INGRESS AND EGRESS ONTO THE A1 A SO I ADDRESS THAT IN THIS SLIDE WE WOULD ASK FOR TWO CURB CUTS, ONE FOR A SINGLE LOT AND WANT TO GO FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES AND THE ABILITY TO TURN A CAR AROUND AND COME OUT FORWARD. THIS IS A SIMILAR PROJECT YOU GUYS HAD APPROVED PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO NOW JUST A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN ON A ONE AID TO THE SOUTH. SAMPLE OF A HOME THAT WOULD BE

[02:55:01]

>> YES, SO THIS IS SORT OF AN ODD THING. I NOTICED THE BIG SIGN IN FRONT FOR SALE. REAR BEACH ACCESS. I ASSUME YOUR

MEANING TO OPEN UP? >> NOT OPEN, IT HAS BEEN USED ALREADY BY THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON THE EASTERN SIDE, THEY COME OUT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY IF YOU CAME DOWN AND IT ALLOWS YOU TO WALK DOWN WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT TO GET TO THE BEACH ON A1A SO YOU CAN USE THE UNOPENED ROADWAY.

>> SO IT'S JUST A WALKWAY. I WAS PICTURING DRIVE AND THE

BEACH. THAT WAS MILEY QUESTION. >> IT WOULD ALLOW A PATH FOR SAFETY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ON THE ROADWAY TO WALK TO THE

BEACH. >> I LIKE THAT HOUSE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT, THAT'S CUTE.

>> WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[8. PUD 2023-20 State Road 16 Medical and Commercial PUD.]

>> ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? BACK TO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZ 2023-31 BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? WITH NON-LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, NOW YOU CAN DISCLOSE YOUR EX PARTE.

>> SPOKE ON MONDAY ABOUT THE ITEM TOLD HER I DID NOT HAVE

ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT. >> I DID A SITE VISIT AND HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION OR TWO. ON THE 12TH AND 13TH AND 14TH.

>> I SPOKE WITH ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ON MONDAY AND DROVE BY FOUR TIMES TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

>> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ELLEN AVERY-SMITH TO LOOK AT

THE PROJECT ON TUESDAY. >> I GOT A VOICEMAIL MONDAY.

GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ROGERS TOWERS 100 WHETSTONE PLACE. WITH ME TODAY ARE FOR OUR EXPERTS THE PROPERTY OWNER MEMORIAL HEALTHCARE GROUP WHICH IS A HOSPITAL COMPANY. WITH ME TODAY FROM THE LAND PLANNING AND CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM CATALYST DESIGN IS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CIVIL ENGINEERING AND THEN FROM TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING IS WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. A LITTLE ORIENTATION, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF STATE ROAD 16 AND THIS IS WOODLAWN ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 16. ST.

JOHN'S RIVER STATE COLLEGE, THE FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL BUILDING, THIS IS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY HERE. THERE IS COMMERCIAL SOUTH STATE BANK ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND THEN COMMERCIAL AS A PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER AND A CAR WASH AND THINGS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. YOU CAN SEE THOSE BETTER THIS USED TO BE THE PUMPKIN AND CHRISTMAS TREE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY HERE, THE BANK, THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER AND THEN THE FHP AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ST. JOHN'S RIVER STATE COLLEGE. FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL C WHICH ALLOWS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL KINDS OF USE. ZONING IS RS 3 FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT TO THE NORTH, THEN AGAIN THIS IS THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY SO THE PROPOSAL IS SIMPLE. TO REZONE THE TWO ACRES PUD TO ALLOW FOR SPECIFIC USE. MAXIMUM OF 19,000 SQUARE FEET OF FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOM MEDICAL OFFICE AND ANCILLARY COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE. NO OTHER USE PERMITTED . AND GOING TO THE SITE PLAN. YOU AGAIN CAN SEE ONE ACCESS DRIVEWAY ONTO WOODLAWN ROAD. THE CURB CUT THAT EXISTS TODAY ON STATE ROAD 16 WILL BE CLOSED SO THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BUFFERS AND SETBACKS FROM THE BUILDINGS, THIS IS WHERE THE BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED. THERE WILL BE DETAILED MASTER

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>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS

PERIOD ? >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

[Staff Reports]

>> ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. SEEING NONE? BACK TO THE AGENCY .

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2023-20 STATE ROAD 60 MEDICAL AND COMMERCIAL PUD

[Agency Reports]

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL SECOND? SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE . ALL RIGHT THAT MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ON TO STAFF REPORTS.

OF YOUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS THE AGENCY REQUESTED TRANSPORTATION PRESENTATION. THAT TRANSPORTATION PRESENTATION IS BEING PREPARED AND WE HOPE TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE MARCH MEETING.

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