Feb 13, 2024 Land Acquisition and Management Program

[General public comment for items not on the agenda - 3 minutes per speaker]

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>> FLOORING IS OUR NEWEST MEMBER. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >>

>> GLAD TO HAVE YOU. WE WILL MOVE TO GENERAL ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. OUR PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ACCEPTED DURING TWO SPECIFIC PERIODS AND MAY NOT INTERRUPT BOARD SEEDINGS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN TO OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK. COMMENTS WILL BE HER BEFORE THE BOARD AS ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED ON THE AGENDA AND ITEMS NOT BEING CONSIDERED WILL BE FOR A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK MAY DO SO WITH A CARD AT THE TABLE. SPEAKER SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT IN THE RECORDS.

LIMIT, TO THREE MINUTES. THE PERSON SHALL NOT ADDRESS THE BOARD OR ANY MEMBER THEREOF UNLESS RECOGNIZED THE CHAIR TO DO SO. ONCE RECOGNIZED, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHALL ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE. INTENDED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND DOES NOT DEMAND OPPORTUNITY FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSES FROM BOARD MEMBERS. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I HAVE A FEW SPEAKER CARDS. THE FIRST ONE I HAVE HERE IS WILLIAM PAYNE. SHE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE BOARD. MY NAME IS WILLIAM PAYNE, REPRESENTING MYSELF. MY ADDRESS IS 39 ORBIS COTTO DRIVE IN MADEIRA ABOUT A MILE I'M HERE AND MY TOPIC IS I AM HERE TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE MANAGE SOME PROPERTY THAT WE ARE REQUESTING THE STATE BY THE PARK. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY 24 ACRES, LOCATED SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT AND NORTH OF MADEIRA. IT IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY HAS OFFERED TO BUY ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. BACK IN 2005 THEY WANTED TO PUT A CANOE AND KAYAK LAUNCH AREA THERE. THAT AREA IS OWNED BY THE MCKINSEY TRUST. WE HAVE LAND FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND LAND FROM SOME OF THE OTHER LANDOWNERS FOR A TOTAL OF 24 ACRES. A GOOD PORTION OF THAT ENDS UP BEING COASTAL FOREST. OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, WE HAVE A TWO MILE BY ONE MILE WIDE MARSH WHICH PROVIDES A LOT OF FEEDING AREA FOR LOCAL MIGRATORY BIRDS. PARTICULARLY STORKS AND SPOON BILLS. WE HAVE SEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 100 50 SPOON BILLS AT ONE TIME IN THE AREA. AT ONE TIME. THERE'S ONLY 3000 REPORTED TO BE IN THE STATE OF LORETTA. THERE ARE ONLY FIVE ROOKERIES IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA. WE HAVE PICTURES OF SPOON BILLS NESTING IN THE AREA SO WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FROM AN ECOLOGICAL STANDPOINT FOR SUPPORTING THE BIRD. NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT WORD. I'LL GET TONGUE TIED. IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE IT CAN PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RECREATION AND EDUCATION FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN A NICE PARKLAND THAT THE STATE WOULD BE BUYING FOR US. AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU

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>> YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN, I DID NOT SEE YOU SNEAK IN THERE. JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE HERE.

>> GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU, MR. PAYNE. THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR IS VICTORIA

PAIN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I LIVE AT 390 FOREMAN SCOTTO IN THE MADEIRA COMPLEX, AS WELL.

FOLLOWING UP WITH THE HOPES THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL LOOK AT 24 ACRES THAT WE HAVE THAT YOU WERE JUST STARTING TO LEARN ABOUT BASICALLY , BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR 24 ACRES IS NOT JUST AN ENVIRONMENTAL TREASURE THAT YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAVE.

IT'S ALSO AN ECOLOGICAL PROPERTY THAT, WERE IT NOT PRESERVED AND TAKEN CARE OF, THE COUNTY ALREADY DEALS WITH FLOODING ISSUES FROM THE RIVER. I CAN CERTAINLY SEE, JUST TASTE ON WHAT I AM SEEING RIGHT NOW, HOW THIS FLOODING ISSUE COULD CONTINUE. ALONG WITH THAT, THERE ARE SOME VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT PIECES OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED IN THAT LAND. THERE'S FIVE OF THEM. THREE WERE MITIGATED. TO HAVE NOT BEEN MITIGATED. ALL FIVE , BACK IN THE '90S, WERE RECOMMENDED TO BE PUT ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. I'M GOING TO TURN OVER THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME TO THE FOLLOWING SPEAKER WHO CAN GIVE MORE INFORMATION THAN I CAN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IS THAT MR. HAMILL NEXT? OKAY, THANK YOU.

FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS PAUL HAMILL. I LIVE AT 410 MAY SCOTTO DRIVE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT MORE THAT A LOT OF NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE WHICH HAS BEEN LED BY VICKI AND BILL, WHO HAVE SPOKEN ALREADY. TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND AS WE HAVE ALREADY ELUDED TO, THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND CULTURAL ASPECT OF THIS LAND ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT. AND THE LOCATION, JUST TO POINTED OUT, IS SOUTH OF THE AIRPORT AND NORTH OF FORT JOSE. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP THERE. LAND ORIGINALLY UNTIL A LITTLE MORE THAN A WEEK AGO, WE WERE TRYING TO RESERVE 54 ACRES IN TOTAL. 30 OR WITHIN SAINT AUGUSTINE WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNTY, BUT THE DEVELOPER PULLED OUT FOR REASONS UNKNOWN TO ME ABOUT A WEEK AGO TO SELL THE LAND AS PRESERVATION AND PROBABLY TO BE CLEAR-CUT IN THE COASTAL FOREST. THERE ARE SEVEN THREATENED SPECIES OF BIRDS ON THE LAND THAT WE HAVE NOTICED THERE AND OBSERVED. AND MANY MORE SPECIES OF BIRDS AND SIGNIFICANT TREE SPECIES, AS WELL. HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF BIRDS ON THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION HERE OVER THE FULL 54 ACRES. WE DID NOT BREAK IT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE EVERYDAY SCENES OF WHAT GOES ON IN THAT LAND AND IT IS REALLY UNIQUE. HERE IS A PHOTO -- BILL MENTIONED A LOT OF SPOON BILLS.

THERE'S ABOUT 70 AND A LOT OF WHITE ONES, AS WELL. WE HELP PRESERVE OYSTER BEDS, AS WELL. IN TERMS OF CREATION, THERE'S FIVE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES AND TRAILS THAT CAN BE EXTENDED.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE PRESERVE WOULD NOT BE THAT BIG OF AN AUNT'S OVERALL AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE CAN BE A LEARNING CENTER. ACQUISITION. PART OF THE LAND IS ALREADY

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TIME. >> THANK YOU, MR. HAMILL. AND

THEN -- >> MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND THE CONSERVATION DIRECTOR FOR THE NORTH LAND TRUST. WE PUT THE APPLICATION TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND WHAT THEY ARE REFERENCING IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPLICATION THAT A MANAGER BE DESIGNATED IN THE APPLICATION.

THE DEADLINE FOR THE APPLICATION WAS YESTERDAY. WE SUBMITTED IT HELPING THAT WE HAVE A LETTER FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN TO GO THROUGH THE LAMP PROCESS. HOPEFULLY THEY WILL CHOOSE TO ADD IT TO THE LIST . HOPEFULLY, THE STATE WILL APPROVE IT. IF NOT, WE WILL SAKE AND YOU CONSIDER BUYING AND MANAGING? BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT WE NEED IS A MANAGEMENT DESIGNATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY

HAVE. >> GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATIONS. DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I NOTICED ON THE AERIAL, IT LOOKED LIKE AT LEAST ONE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY. NOT ALL THEY CAN ROBERT HE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT ANY EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE?

>> CERTAINLY. THERE ARE TWO PARCELS WITH STRUCTURES. ONE IS THE KINGSLEY PARCEL. GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT -- THAT ONE. THE KINGSLEY PROPERTY IS THE ONE FURTHEST WEST. YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE AND SOME MOBILE HOMES. IF YOU LOOK NORTH, IT LOOKS LIKE A WHITE QUESTION MARK. THERE IS ANOTHER HOUSE WITH A POOL BEHIND IT. THAT IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE AIRPORT REGIONAL AUTHORITY. THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO RESIDENCES AND ABOUT SIX MOBILE HOMES.

>> OKAY. I AM SEEING NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR JOINING

US. >> CAN I ADD ONE THING, MADAM

CHAIR? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY QUICKLY THAT I DID SEND A LETTER LAST WEEK, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE FULL COMMISSION, TO BE CLEAR. BUT THIS IS IN DISTRICT 5, WHICH IS MY DISTRICT AND I AM EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY. THE WILDLIFE, THE BIRDS, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. I SENT A LETTER RECOMMENDING IT BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT AND THE STATE MOVE FORWARD. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW. I THINK RYAN A COPY OF THE LETTER

TO YOU ALL TODAY OR WHENEVER. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO, THIS IS TO STAFF. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? DO WE RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNTY -- IS THAT MANAGED BY REC AND PARKS? I'M ASSUMING. OR WOULD IT BE UNDER YOU ALL, SINCE IT IS MORE OF A NATURAL AREA? IDON'T KNOW WHAT ROLE WE PLAY.

>> FIRST WE WOULD HAVE TO GET WILLING SELLERS TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH THE LAMP PROCEDURES AND REVIEW.

THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE RECOMMENDED PROPERTY LIST BY NOON TODAY FOR PROPERTIES FROM LAST YEAR THAT WERE REVIEWED.

THEN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WOULD CONSIDER

THAT. >> IF IT GETS ACQUIRED BY THE TRUSTEES, THEN THEY MIGHT WANT TO MATCH, BUT THEY MIGHT BUY IT OUT RIGHT. IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, A MANAGER HAS TO BE DESIGNATED. IT HAS TO BE A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE THAT ALL THAT STUFF IS DONE. THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN. YES. SOON. I DON'T KNOW -- EXCEPT SUPPORTING IT, WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I DON'T KNOW

WHAT OUR ROLE IS. >> RIGHT NOW, OUR ROLE WOULD BE TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ITEM FOR IT TO BE WHICH DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY WOULD MANAGE THE PROPERTY.

>> IF I MAY -- MADAM CHAIR, QUICKLY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,

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MANAGING AGENCY. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN -- IF IT HAS TO GO TO THE COMMISSION, WE MEET AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ONCE A YEAR? FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN TACK ON TO OUR REPORT NEXT MONTH? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO ACHIEVE? OR ARE WE LOOKING TO HAVE A RESPONSE OR A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION OR COMMISSION?

>> I THINK WE COULD DO THEM NOW.

>> I THINK MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY, YES.

>> NOT SO FAST. I HAVE A CARD.

>> ONE MOMENT. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

>> ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THIS POINT?

>> YES. >> PLEASE. SHOW SOME RESPECT.

>> MR. SLAVEN. >> YES. I SUPPORT THE SPOON BILLS AND THESE ARE WONDERFUL PICTURES AND WE NEED TO SPREAD THIS AROUND. THE BOARD NEEDS TO DO ITS FIDUCIARY DUTY. NOT SO FAST, PLEASE. IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAKE OF POP BIRD KILL, I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT EVERY CENTIMETER OF THIS 25 ACRES BECAUSE THERE WAS A GARAGE THERE AND AGRICULTURAL USES ALL AROUND. I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE ARE BARRELS, CONTAMINANTS, RESIDUE OF FUNGICIDES, INSECTICIDES, FERTILIZERS. WHAT IS OUT THERE? ARE THERE BARRELS.? WE NEED A THOROUGH STUDY ON THAT BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE, BEFORE ANY MONEY IS SPENT. I'VE RAISED THIS AT OTHER MEETINGS, TOO, AND I KIND OF GET IGNORED AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT DUTY OF A PROSPECTIVE LANDOWNER TO DO THESE THINGS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF A WELCOMING SPIRIT OF THIS BOARD SHOWN JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO. HE DID NOT EVEN CALL ME I TURNED IN MY CARD ON TIME TO COMMISSIONER DEAN AND MR. RYAN. THAT'S DISCOURTEOUS. IT'S ALSO DISCOURTEOUS THAT YESTERDAY THERE WAS A SCHEDULED MEETING AT THE CULTURAL RESOURCES REVIEW BOARD. THEY DID NOT MEET. AND ON THEIR WEBSITE, IT SAID CANCELED. SO I TEXTED MY COMMISSIONER. I TEXTED ONE OF THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS. HE RESPONDED WITH A TEXT MESSAGE, I DK, MEANING I DON'T KNOW. AND I SAID, WHO DID YOU ASK? HE SAID, I DID NOT ASK ANYONE. THOSE ARE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RULES. WE WILL STIFF THE PUBLIC AND REGULATORS AND TREAT PEOPLE DISDAINFULLY AND DISRESPECT LEE. CAN WE CHANGE THAT ATTITUDE THIS YEAR? THIS ALL REPUBLICAN ONE-PARTY RULE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION HAS MADE SO MANY ENVIRONMENTAL BLUNDERS TO INCLUDE THE FACT THAT THIS BOARD SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER HENRY DEAN WHO USED TO RUN TO WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS. THIS BOARD WAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN ABOUT A POTENTIAL SAINT AUGUSTINE NATIONAL HEART. THIS CURRENT CHAIR IN HER FIRST AS CHAIR DID NOT DO IT DURING THE BODY OF THE MEETING. DID IT IN COMMISSIONER COMMENT AND SAID SHE DID NOT THINK THAT WAS RELEVANT TO THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES. THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES OR ANYTHING THE BORDEN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DECIDE FOR IT STILL HAVE NOT SCHEDULED ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD TO TALK ABOUT THE SAINT AUGUSTINE HISTORIC PARK AND NATIONAL SEASHORE WHICH WAS PROPOSED IN 1939 BY OUR THAN CONGRESSMEN AND THEN SENATORS. AND I'M WONDERING -- AND SHE HAS NEVER TOLD US WHO ON THE STAFF, WHO IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WHO ON THE BOARD TOLD YOU TO DO THAT AND TREAT ME THAT WAY, TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT RELEVANT AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONER THAT CAN BE PRESENTED TO DISCUSS BY THE BOARD? THAT'S OUTLANDISH.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT?

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>> GO AHEAD. >> A POINT OF VERIFICATION TO SOMETHING HE SAID. MAY NOT BE LISTENING, BUT THAT'S FINE.

ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS ACQUIRED PARTICULARLY BY THE TRUSTEES WILL GO THROUGH A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IF THE COUNTY IS INVOLVED IN PURCHASING IT THEY'LL DO THE EXACT SAME THING. SO THAT ELLIPSE IS AND CERTAINLY, THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR ANY CONTAMINANTS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. MR. ADAMS.

>> I GUESS MY COMMENT WAS NOT -- IN TRYING TO THE PAPERWORK CAUGHT UP TO WHAT A GOOD ACTION -- IT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD ACTION. CAN WE DO SOMETHING AS A BOARD, LIKE A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO THE COMMISSION THAT SAYS OUR BOARD SUPPORTS THIS ACQUISITION, TO MEET THE TIME REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY ARE UNDER? IS THAT SOMETHING REASONABLE?

>> I THINK WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED IS FOR THE BOARD TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS HAPPENED TODAY. SO I WOULD SAY IF SOMEONE IS READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND --

>> AS I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT, IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT SUPPORTING THE ACQUISITION PER SE BUT IF IT IS ACQUIRED, THAT THE COUNTY BE THE MANAGER.

>> CORRECT. >> AND PER YOUR POINT THAT THERE IS STILL A DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS THAT WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THAT WE CAN ALSO RELY ON IN THE PROCESS TO THEN, AS THE MANAGER, UNDERSTAND MORE WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF US BY

THE COUNTY AT THE TIME. >> THE STANDARD THING THAT HAPPENS IF THEY DO FIND CONTAMINANTS, IT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SELLER TO TAKE CARE OF IT. OR NOT BY THE PROPERTY, OF COURSE. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE -- HOW DO I SAY IT PROPERLY? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION THAT THE COUNTY BE THE MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY. WE WILL CALL IT THE MADEIRA PROPERTY. SANCHEZ PROPERTY? IF IT IS ACQUIRED BY THE TRUSTEES.

>> SECOND. >> DISCUSSION?

>> I WANTED TO RAISE THE POINT OF MANAGEMENT COSTS, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING IN OUR SCORING SHEET. I THINK THAT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE POTENTIAL MANAGEMENT COSTS WOULD BE IF IT'S THE COUNTY

MANAGING IT? >> THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS.

ONE IS EXISTING STRUCTURES ON SITE. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COORDINATED THROUGH THE MANAGER IN THIS CASE. POTENTIALLY BE THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THOSE STRUCTURES ARE NEGOTIATED CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO HAVE THEM REMOVED. WE HAVE THE OVERALLS ENTERED ARC MAINTENANCE. IT DEPENDS ON THE PRESERVATION ACT. OBVIOUSLY LAMP LOOKS AT PRESERVATION ONLY. SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT WALKING TRAILS ARE THAT SORT OF THING -- NO PARTICULAR NUMBER RIGHT NOW, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE WOULD CONSIDER.

>> OKAY. >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK, AS WELL, WOULD CULTURAL RESOURCES BE PART OF THAT? HOW MUCH THAT

WOULD BE FOR THE LAND TRUST? >> YEAH. IT'S KIND OF FAR AWAY. I'M NOT SURE IF A CORPORAL RESOURCE ASSESSMENT SURVEYS PART OF THE ASSET CLARIFICATION. IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO? I'M NOT SURE IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO

THAT ONE. >> IF YOU ARE ASKING ME IF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, THEN THE COUNTY STAFF WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND MAKE THE NECESSARY COMMENTS FOR CULTURAL RESOURCE ASSESSMENT.

>> GREAT. AS I UNDERSTAND, THE HISTORY IN THAT AREA WAS A PIVOTAL PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM THE ARCHAIC PERIOD GOING FORWARD THOUSANDS OF YEARS. HE WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN -- I BELIEVE A VILLAGE WAS THERE THAT WAS KEY DURING THE

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CONTEXT. >> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? >> LOOKING AT SUCH A VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN SUCH A GREAT AREA, ADDITIONALLY WITH FUNDING ELSEWHERE TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WHAT IS THING ASKED OF US IN OUR COUNTY OPPORTUNITY. OF COURSE, KUDOS TO COMMISSIONER DEAN TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON THIS AND FACILITATE IT. I WOULD CERTAINLY SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT. WILL BE VOTING TO

SUPPORT THE MOTION. >> THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE MOVING TO A VOTE? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNTY BECOME THE MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY, SHALL IT BE ACQUIRED BY STATE FUNDING, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE

[Approval of meeting minutes from the December 12th meeting]

THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE WE MISSED FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY. HERE WE GO. WITH THAT , WE SHALL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF OUR MEETING MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 12TH MEETING. HOPEFULLY, EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES? OKAY. SEEING

[Approval of current agenda]

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> THANK YOU RID DO WE HAVE A

SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEMS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN, PLEASE SAY AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CURRENT AGENDA FOR TODAY. WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS. WE WILL BE HEARING ABOUT NEW PROPERTY APPLICATION FOR THE FIRST TIME AND TWO PROPERTIES COMING BACK FOR THEIR SECOND REVIEW. FOLLOWING THOSE ITEMS, WE WILL FINALIZE OUR RECOMMENDATION LIST FOR 2023 WHICH W VOTED TO MOVE TO THIS MEETING FROM OUR PREVIOUS ONE. FINALLY, WE WILL HAVE THE SELECTION OF OUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR THE COMING YEAR. ALL

[1. Pellicer Creek Application- First Review]

>> SO MOVE. >> THANK YOU, MR. SMITH.

>> SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA TODAY? GREAT . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING, PLEASE SAY AYE. KENNY OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY. THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. WE WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE FIRST REVIEW. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION AND I THINK WE

HAVE SOME SPEAKERS HERE. >> SURE. THIS IS THE FIRST REVIEW SUBMITTED IN EARLY DECEMBER LAST YEAR VIA THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST. THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS GONE THROUGH THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST AND FILLED OUT SOME PAPERWORK. THE LAND TRUST CONTACTED THE COUNTY TO ALSO REVIEW THIS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SIMPLE ACQUISITION WITH CONSERVATION EASEMENT OVER THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO PROVIDE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF WE COULD GO INTO THEIR PRESENTATION OR I COULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE PROPERTY. I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE A QUICK PRESENTATION ON THAT.

>> SURE. WE CAN MOVE INTO THE PRESENTATIONS.

>> MY NAME IS ROBERT MATHIS. I LIVE AT 10220 U.S. 1 SOUTH, SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHICH IS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY I HOPE THAT YOU ALL GOT THE PACKAGE THAT HAS THE MAPS AND EVERYTHING ON IT. WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2001. WE

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>> YOU CAN FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. YOU CAN TAKE TIME AND FINISH

YOUR THOUGHT. >> THANK YOU. WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE IT AS A CONSERVATION AREA. AS HE SAID, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF THIS. WE WOULD LIKE TO DONATE A PORTION OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF IT. WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR CONSERVATION EASEMENT. IF THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE KNOW WE COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE. WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING. WE HAVE A DOCK AND A LITTLE BOAT ON THE FAR WEST CORNER AND A BARN AT THE TOP WHERE WE STORE OUR EQUIPMENT FOR MAINTENANCE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK YOU STARTED TO GET TO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE BRIAN MENTIONED THIS WAS A FEE SIMPLE ACQUISITION AND YOU MENTIONED A CONCH -- ACT WAS CONSERVATION

EASEMENT. >> WE ARE OPEN TO BOTH AND I WOULD PREFER THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT BECAUSE WE LIKE TO OWN THE PROPERTY BUT DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE. I CANNOT GUARANTEE WHO WILL ON THE OTHER TWO PARCELS IN THE FUTURE. OUR COMMON PROPERTY AGREEMENT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. IT BASICALLY AS I TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY, I KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE COST, AND EVERY YEAR UNTIL THE OTHER OWNERS WITH THE COST ARE AND THEY PUT IN THEIR SHARE. MY DAUGHTER NOW LIVES ON THE PROPERTY WITH US. AN ACRE AND A HALF OF MY FOUR ACRES AND SHE BUILT HER HOUSE. WE ARE NEVER GOING ANYWHERE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN AND BY THE OTHER PROPERTIES AND SAY OKAY, LET'S SELL THAT PIECE OF THEIR WITH A COUPLE HOUSES ON IT. I DON'T WANT THAT FOR MY GRANDKIDS. CONSERVATION EASEMENT WOULD PREVENT ALL OF THAT FROM HAPPENING AND WE WOULD STILL BE

ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. >> GREAT, THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >>

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>> IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST? THAT'S A 27 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS JUST PURCHASED TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO BY THE POLICY OR FAMILY. THEY ARE BUILDING THREE HOMES THERE EVENTUALLY. ONE FOR JOHNNY AND LORI AND ONE FOR EACH OF THEIR CHILDREN. AT THE VERY CORNER OF THE CREEK, WHERE THE BRIDGE IS ON U.S. ONE IS ABOUT A FIVE ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT NOW HAS A CURIO SHOP ON IT. USED TO BE AN OYSTER HOUSE. THEN A GROW HOUSE FOR SOME MARIJUANA PEOPLE. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOOK IT OVER AND EVENTUALLY SOLD IT. THAT PROPERTY IS PRETTY MUCH GOING TO BE LEFT THE WAY IT IS.

THEY'VE CLEARED SOME OF IT BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WILL CLEAR ANYMORE. AND IT DOES GIVE A PRETTY GOOD CORD OR CROSS. ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BUILT UP. SO IT'S GOOD

CONSERVATION. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE

MR. --. >> I HELPED PUT TOGETHER THE APPLICATION. THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN ADD WHEN YOU HEAR THE CONSERVATION CONTINGENCY WANTS TO PRESERVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY SANDWICHED BETWEEN U.S. ONE AND I-95 A MILE SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION. THIS IS NEXT TO OTHER CONSERVATION PROPERTY.

CONSERVATION EASEMENT AT A DISCOUNT. THESE ARE THE THINGS LOCAL PROGRAMS ARE DESIGNED TO DO. PICK UP THE PIECES. THE STATES IS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH, NOT BIG ENOUGH, DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ONE. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

ARE THERE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU HAVE?

>> IN DEALING WITH CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE DO WITH THEM ALL THE TIME AND HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO DO SO. RELEVANT TO THE PROPERTY AND THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD BE PUT ON IT, IT WOULD BE HELP FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THOSE INTERESTS ARE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS THE VALUE OF THE EASEMENT ITSELF. MOVING FORWARD THAT WOULD BE A VALUABLE PIECE AND THE WORD GOING IN IS THE UPFRONT COST. MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WILL DO ON BEHALF OF POTENTIAL EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE ACQUIRED. THE SUGGESTION FOR US TO BE AN WHAT THE OWNERS ARE WILLING TO - GIVE UP ON BEHALF OF THE LAND.

SOMETHING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT LIGHTENS THE REQUIRED OR VESTED RIGHT OF THE LANDOWNER. JUDGE MATHIS BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING AND WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. OUTLINING THE STATE OF FLORIDA THERE IN THE

PACKET >> THANK YOU.

>> THANKS. >> I DID SEE IN THE PACKET ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTING TO RETAIN SOME RIGHTS AND LOOTING THE GRAZING RIGHTS FOR THE COWS THAT ARE THERE.

ANY OTHER INFORMATION. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE FORM AND WORK WITH RYAN AND ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO SEND THEM THROUGH WITH US. WE REALLY WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.

COMMENTS? >> FOR THE RECORD, I WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT UP UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST, I WAS OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST WITH MY RETIREMENT FROM MY PRIOR FIRM, GENERALLY FOR IS IN LAW. I NO LONGER REPRESENT THAT. I NEVER HAD ANY AUTHORIZATIONS WITH ANYONE ELSE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. I HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OWNER OTHER THAN I USED TO PRACTICE LAW OCCASIONALLY. WHEN HE WAS AN ACT OF JUDGE. LEAVING THAT OUT THERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY OR RELATIONSHIP WITH

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DISCLOSE IT. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER WESTERNS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M A VERY BIG FAN OF CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. SOMETHING WE ARE ABLE TO DO UNDER THE LAMP PROGRAM WHICH IS FANTASTIC. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS TO GO TO SECOND REVIEW AND

[2. Shores Boulevard Property Application- Second Review and Scoring]

SCORING PHASE? >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE PROPERTY?

>> HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE APPLICATION FORWARD TO THE SECOND REVIEW AND SCORING, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES . THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY. WE MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO WHICH IS THE SHORES BOULEVARD APPLICATION, WHICH IS THE SECOND REVIEW.

JUST TO CLARIFY AMOUNT ONCE WE GET THROUGH DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL GET THROUGH OUR RANKINGS FOR THE PROPERTY. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO

INTRODUCE. >> THE BOULEVARD PROPERTY HAS BEEN REVIEWED. THIS IS THE SCORING. IF YOU CAN FILL OUT ALL OF YOUR EVALUATION SHEET FOR STAFF AT THE END OF THIS OR RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN TALLY UP YOUR SCORES. IT'S 195 ACRES WITHIN THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNER. IT CONSISTS OF VARIOUS OPENS RACE AND PREVIOUS LOTS. THERE WAS A BREAK DOWN OF THE LAND PROVIDED IN THE MATERIALS. JUST BRINGING UP THE AERIALS

HERE. >> SORRY, SORRY. THERE IS SOME DEVOTEE GOING ON HERE. I THINK WE WILL WAIT TO SUBMIT OUR FORMS UNTIL WE VERBALLY DISCUSS AND THEN SUBMIT OUR RANKINGS,

PLEASE. OKAY. >> THERE ARE SOME WETLAND AREAS WITHIN THE EXIST THING TRACKS AND SOME AREAS WHERE THE LOTS ARE ARE THE UPLAND AREAS GENERALLY. IT DOES CONTAIN VEGETATIVE COMMUNITY AND SALTMARSH ALONG THE WINGS OF THE RIVER AND PINE FLATWOODS. IT IS THE FLUID CORD OR AND ADJACENT TO THE CONSERVATION AREA TO THE SOUTH. THERE IS A WARDED BALD EAGLE NEST AT THE NORTHEASTERN CORNER. WE HAVE NOT VISITED THAT IN ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT THIS YEAR. FIVE YEARS. THAT HAS TO BE RECORDED THERE FOR THE NATIONAL GUIDELINES. SO IT'S A TOTALLY FORESTED AREA.

IT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE TRAIL SYSTEM. IT'S BASICALLY IN ITS NATURAL'S DATE. IT'S AN AREA TO THE NORTH THAT HAS AN ACCESS DRIVE. THE STRUCTURE WILL BE REMOVED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND WE GOT THAT INFORMATION FROM THEM EVENTUALLY. AS FAR AS THE USES, OBVIOUSLY PRESERVATION OR TRAIL SYSTEM FOR PASSING RECREATIONAL USES AND HIKING, BIKING POTENTIAL.

WE DID LOOK INTO SOME GRANT FUNDING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY FOR ACQUISITION, THAT NECESSARY TO DO THAT TO THE COST. THEY DO HAVE SOME GRANT FUNDING. THERE WERE THREE SEPARATE GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO COUNTY STAFF SPECIFIC TO THE SHORES BOULEVARD APPLICATION. A POTENTIAL NO PASTOR OR RESILIENCY LAND ACQUISITION GRANT THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THE DEP PROVIDED A BREAKDOWN. THAT'S THE NATIONAL RESEARCH RESERVE RELATED CONSERVATION ACQUISITION COMPETITIONS. THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO THIS OPPORTUNITY. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL TO WALK THROUGH ALL THREE OF THESE GRANT

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ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. I DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD HERE.

DIRK SCHROEDER. I LIVE AT 428 GALLARDO CIRCLE IN UNIT SEVEN OF ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES, LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO THIS PORTION OF UNIT SEVEN WHICH HAS BEEN PLATTED INTO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS. I'M ALSO A REAL ESTATE BROKER. I REPRESENT THE DELTA CORPORATION. I'M VERY PLEASED THAT THEY HAD AGREED TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION. AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ENTITLED PROPERTY OUT OF THE EQUATION. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THESE OPPORTUNITIES ARE SOMETIMES MASSED. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YOU SEE THE CLEAR AREA ON THE AERIAL THAT IS KB HOMES AND THAT REPRESENTS MAYBE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO CLEAR . THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO CLEAR PHASE TWO. THE AREA WE HAVE COME TO KNOW AS BEING A BEAUTIFUL HABITAT IS SLOWLY COMING DOWN.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. AS I MENTIONED, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE , FROM THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE ONLY SEVEN PRIVATELY OWNED PARCELS FROM THIS AREA ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY LINE. THIS IS BY FAR THE LARGEST ONE. I BELIEVE YOU WILL HAVE TWO OTHER FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SIZES, 20 TO 25 ACRES RESPECTIVELY COMING BEEF OR YOU SOON. THAT WILL BRING IT DOWN TO FOUR PRIVATELY OWNED PARCELS FROM ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES DOWN TO THE COUNTY LINE ALONG THE BANKS OF THE INNER COAST MARSHLAND. I HAVE MY OWN PERSONAL REASONS FOR WANTING IT IN MY BACKYARD. THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE. THE ASSET ST. AUGUSTINE SHORES THAT ALREADY EXIST WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED FOR 320 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION A LONG TIME AGO. I HAD A CONTRACT TO SELL THE PROPERTY. I WAS ABSOLUTELY ASKED ATTIC THAT I LOST THE CONTRACT AND GAINED A PARK IN MY OWN BACKYARD. THIS OPPORTUNITIES ALERTLY INCREDIBLE FOR ALL OF ST. JOHNS

COUNTY RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. TO HAVE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING NONE. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD. >> I WOULD BE CURIOUS. I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS THE LAST MEETING. AS I CONTINUE TO CONSIDER, IT IS OBVIOUSLY A UNIQUE WITH A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY. GOT HELP AND SUPPORT FROM SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO PURSUE. CURIOUS ON

EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS. >> SURE.

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>> I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

SINCE OUR LAST MEETING THAT NOAH, COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT AND DTM HAVE COME FORWARD AND MET WITH THE COUNTY SHOWING THERE'S A COURT AND WILLINGNESS TO PURSUE FUNDING

SOURCES. THANK YOU. >> YES. I WILL SECOND THAT, THERE COULD'VE BEEN PARTY TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS. THE STAFF ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. IT'S BEEN A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN ON THE RADAR FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE WHO ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO HELP US IF THEY CAN.

>> I HAVE MORE CURIOSITY AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MR. SCHROEDER THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES TO THE WEST. THERE IS OF OF SOME WETLAND TRACK AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE AERIAL OUT TO THE WEST OF THE HEARING. SOME OF THE THIN BUFFER AREAS.

A COUPLE OF THOSE LARGER WETLAND TRACKS ARE ALREADY ON A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. IS THE PROPERTY OWNER LOOKING TO SELL EVERYTHING COMPREHENSIVELY? AS A COUNTY, WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THE ONE PIECE BY ITSELF SORT OF TOGETHER.

>> ARE YOU REFERRING TO THOSE PARCELS, THE ONE PARCEL THERE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COVERING AN EXISTING WETLAND?

>> I WILL USE A LASER POINTER HERE. WE HAVE THIS PROPERTY HERE AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THESE THEN OPEN SPACE TRACKS HERE. PERIMETER BUFFERS ALONG THE EXISTING COURT ORDER.

SHORES BOULEVARD. THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE WETLAND TRACK HERE.

THIS ONE HERE IN THIS ONE DOWN HERE HAVE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ON THEM ALREADY. I WILL GET CLARIFICATION FOR YOU ON THAT FROM SHARING DOWN IN MIAMI. THE THIN STRIP IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE ROAD WIDENING PROJECT THAT KB IS REQUIRED TO DO. THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SHORES H AWAY AND THE COUNTY ABOUT THE OBLIGATION OF KB TO EXTEND THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF SHORES BOULEVARD. I DON'T THINK THE THIN STRIP IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY WAY.

THERE IS A PRETTY WIDE SWELL THERE PLANTED WITH SEVERAL OAK TREES ALONG THERE. THE WETLAND ALONG TO THE NORTH IS LOADED.

JUST LOADED WITH BIRDS. I DON'T SEE ANY PURPOSE FOR DELTONA HANGING ON TO THAT. I'M SURE THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S IN BETWEEN WHAT'S CALLED TUSCANY RIDGE AND NOW SABLE IS DATES, THAT'S ACTUALLY A'S AWAY. IT'S PART OF A DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT STARTS MUCH FURTHER NORTH. A COUPLE OF MILES NORTH OF THERE. THIS WILL ACTUALLY TURN INTO A CREEK THAT WILL LEAD TO TRIBUTARIES THAT SPELLING TO MOSES CREEK. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO REMAIN CONSERVATION NO MATTER WHAT. THAT'S A PROPERTY THAT JUST CAN'T BE DEVELOPED IN ANY WAY. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE. I WILL REACH OUT TO THE DELTA CORPORATION ON GETTING CLARIFICATION READ OKAY? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? OKAY, JUST CHECKING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR WESTERNS BEFORE MOVING ON?

>> I REACHED OUT TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO FIND OUT IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MANAGING THE SITE. AND THEY ARE. THE AREA DIRECTED TO THE SOUTH IS A CONSERVATION CREEK AREA. THAT'S WONDERFUL NEWS THAT I WAS FORMALLY A WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT EMPLOYEE. MOSES IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING. THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL

ACQUISITION. >> ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO RANKING? OKAY. AS I CALL YOUR NAME, WE WILL REPORT OUR TOTAL SCORE FOR THE SHORES BOULEVARD PROPERTY, AND I WILL

START WITH MR. ADAMS. >> 93.

>> MR. FLOWERS. >> THIS IS THE HIGHEST SCORE I'VE EVER GIVEN. 83. IT'S A WONDERFUL PROPERTY. THE SAME

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>> 78. >> YOU AND I ARE USUALLY REALLY

CLOSE. >> MY SCORE IS A 73, WHICH IS

VERY HIGH FOR ME. >> MR. SMITH.

>> ALSO HIGH FOR ME, BUT I HAD A 90.

>> 73 ALSO. >> 88.

>> 79. >> OKAY. WHILE RYAN IS TALLYING THOSE UP AND GETTING ON AVERAGE, WE CAN COLLECT THESE.

FOR THE RECORD. THESE MAKE SURE YOUR NAME IS ON IT.

[3. Hawkins Island Property Application- Second Review and Scoring]

THE AVERAGE SCORE IS 82.1. >> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE MATH. THAT MAKES THE SHORES OF OUR PROPERTY CURRENTLY OUR HIGHEST RANKED PROPERTY, WHICH IS GREAT. AND I THINK SPEAKS TO HOW GREAT OF A PROJECT THAT IS. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE PROJECT OF THIS CALIBER COMING THROUGH THE PROCESS. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. WHICH IS THE HAWKINS ISLAND PARCEL. SIMILAR PROCESS HERE. WE ARE IN OUR SECOND DISCUSSION AND SCORING. AGAIN RANKING THIS PROPERTY AT THE END. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO RYAN FOR A QUICK INTRODUCTION

OF THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY. LIKE YOU SAID, WE WILL FILL OUT OUR EVALUATION SHEET AT THE COMPLETION. 13.6 ACRE ISLAND ON THE EASTERN BANK OF THE MATANZAS RIVER. SURROUNDED BY A SALT MARSH. HERE IS THE LOCATION SOUTH OF THE 312 AREA ON THE RIVER. HERE IS AN AERIAL. THEY CAN ISLAND PARCEL AND IT'S JUST WEST OF THE MARSH CREEK SUBDIVISION AND EAST OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH DIVISION. TWO OTHER SMALLER PRIVATE LAND ISLANDS EXIST JUST EAST OF THIS ISLAND. THERE IS CURRENTLY NO ACCESS ON THE PARCEL. DUE TO SURROUNDING SALT MARSH. GIFT DEVELOPED, IT WILL BE A REQUIREMENT TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE MARITIME COMMUNITY ON SITE. WE DID HAVE CONCERNS THERE IF IT WERE DEVELOPED. HOW WOULD YOU ACCESS IT? THERE IS A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING.

PARKS AND REC LOOKED AT IT. LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE JUST A STRAIGHT PRESERVATION OF THE PROPERTY. THAT COMPLETES THE

DETAILS OF THIS ONE. >> GREAT, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD TO BE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE

WISHING >> COMMENT LIST?

>> DEREK SCHROEDER, 428 GALLARDO CIRCLE AREA THANK YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS PARCEL. AS I STARTED TO MENTION ON THE LAST ONE, SOMETIMES THE OPPORTUNITIES COME AND GO AND BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, I WAS CHATTING WITH MIKE ADAMS AND LETTING ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE SENT OUR LAST MEETING RECEIVED A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. IT'S A

[01:00:04]

>> THANK YOU FOR THE UP DATE. THIS PROPERTY MAY BE IN QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR DISCUSSION? MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RANKING KNOWING THAT THINGS MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS ONE. MOVING AHEAD WITH OUR RANKING, STARTING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, MR. ADAMS

>> 84. >> I HAD 42 BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED ACCESS AND LOW POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT. IF THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT IT WOULD BE LIMITED IN MY JUDGMENT BASED ON THE VISION OF PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY I GAVE IT

TO. >> 59.

>> MY SCORE IS 38. >> 62 AND I DID MISS THE PROMPT MY SORRY EMMA FOR THAT. TO MAKE A COMMENT. I JUST THINK THAT AGAIN, LOOK ABILITY OF BEING DEVELOPED IF SOMEBODY HAS A CONTRACT ON IT. WITH THAT AND OBVIOUSLY LIMITED ACT.

CERTAINLY A NICE AREA WITH THAT AND THE PURCHASE PRICE

BALANCING THOSE TWO THINGS. >> OKAY.

>> FIFTH NINE FOR SOME OF THE SAME REASONS MR. SMITH AND MR. FLOWERS HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED.

>> 85. >> SING THE OBJECTIVES FOR CONSERVATION ELEMENT. OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE. I HAVE A 52.

>> OKAY. WE WILL COLLECT THE FORMS WHILE RYAN TALLIES UP THE REPORT.

[4. Finalization of LAMP 2023 Property Recommendation List- Present to BOCC March 5th]

55. >> OKAY. NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR SCORES FOR SHORES BOULEVARD AND HAWKINS ISLAND PROPERTIES, WE CAN MOVE INTO THE FUN STUFF READ ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

FINALIZATION OF THE 2023 PROPERTY RECOMMENDATION LIST.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT UP THE LIST ON

THE SCREEN? >> THIS IS THE CURRENT LIST FROM 2022 PARKS OBVIOUSLY, IT HAS CHANGED SLIGHTLY WITH VARIOUS PROPERTIES IN CERTAIN STAGES. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT LATER BUT WE ACTUALLY JUST ACQUIRED -- THE COUNTY DID, THE ANASTASIA LAKES PROPERTY THAT'S ON THAT LIST.

THAT'S BEEN ACQUIRED AND IT WILL THEREFORE COME OFF THE LIST. THERE'S ALSO TWO ON THIS CURRENT LIST THAT WILL COME OFF. THE 600 STATE ROAD 13 NORTH AND THE 206 PROPERTY THERE WILL COME OFF BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER WILLING SELLERS. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SOME OF THIS IS AN SAMPLE OF WHAT THE CURRENT LIST WOULD BE FOR THIS YEAR . I DID NOT INCLUDE, OBVIOUSLY, THE SCORES. WE JUST GOT THOSE FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES THERE. DON'T HAVE SCORES. THIS WILL

[01:05:03]

FORTH THERE WITH THE SCORES. >> OKAY. DO YOU MIND SPEAK TO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN GRAY AND WHY THOSE ARE SEPARATED

FROM THE GREEN LIST? >> SURE. THE AREAS IN GRAY ARE THE ONE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND WERE APPROVED ON LAST YEAR'S LIST, OR THEY WILL BASICALLY HANG OUT ON THE LIST THERE ABOVE THE DARK LINE. THE REASON FOR THE DIFFERENT COLORS IS I COLOR IT A CERTAIN WAY. THE PROPERTIES THAT SCORE 50 OR ABOVE THE 50% THRESHOLD THAT WE ADDED TO OUR PROCESS LAST MEETING. ALL OF THOSE ABOVE THAT LINE MADE THE 50% THRESHOLD. SO FOR TODAY, YOU'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE TOP FIVE LISTED AND RANKED PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN SCORED. THOSE WILL GO ON TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NEXT MONTH FOR PRESENTATION AND CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT YOUR CAR ALL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CLEAR ON THAT PROCESS? OKAY. THE SHORES BOULEVARD PROPERTY IS NUMBER ONE, ALLOWED BY THE BAILEY PROPERTY. ANYONE A SOUTH AND THE HAWKINS ISLAND WOULD BE SLATED AS FIVE WITH THE POPE THE ROAD PROJECT FALLING TO NUMBER SIX. WHERE ONLY SENDING FIVE FORWARD AM I CORRECT. AND WE NEED SIX VOTES.

FIGURE OUT. WE WOULD NOT BE CARING FOR THE PROPERTY MORE THAN LAST YEAR'S LIST. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. ALTHOUGH, ONE HAS BEEN ACQUIRED THESE TWO OTHERS ARE NEGOTIATIONS. OUR ACTION WOULD NOT CHANGE THAT.

ANKED LIST IF WE FOLLOWED THEM IN ORDER OF SCORE. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE WELL KNOWN TO MAKE DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE YOUR WEEK AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RANKING.

TALKED ABOUT THIS. THE PROCESS FOR MANY MEETINGS. I THINK THIS IS THE WAY WE SHOULD GO AND WE SHOULD NOT DELAY IT ANY FURTHER. I MAKE A MOTION THAT RANKINGS THAT YOU JUST OUTLINED, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

>> OKAY. >> COULD YOU REPEAT THE LIST?

>> SURE, FOR THE RECORD. >> I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT IS

BUT I WANT TO BE THERE. >> YES. LET'S ALL BE SUPER CLEAR ON THIS. TROOPERS BOULEVARD PROPERTY IS NUMBER ONE. FOLLOWED BY THE BAILEY PROPERTY, BISHOP ESTATES ROAD.

THEN DON MANUAL ROAD. ANYONE A SOUTH. THEN HAWKINS ISLAND.

THOSE ARE THE FIVE THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE

COMMISSIONER -- COMMISSION. >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE RANKED LIST? SEEING NONE. LET'S GO TO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT I JUST LISTED AND SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONS FOR OUR 2023 LIST,

[5. Selection of Chair and Vice Chair]

>> YOU WILL BE AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING NEXT MONTH X

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>> I'M SORRY, THAT'S CORRECT. TO BE DETERMINED. OKAY. MY

BAD. >> AT THE COMMISSION MEETING IN MARCH. THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE. HERE WE GO TO OUR FINAL ITEM.

THE SELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR COMING HERE. I HAVE SOME GUIDANCE HERE FOR HOW THIS PROCESS SHOULD WORK. THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SHALL BE ELECT AND ONE AT A TIME BEGINNING WITH THE CHAIR. THE VOTE WILL BE STATED ORALLY ON THE RECORD FOR EACH OFFICE AND THE NOMINATION SERVES AS A MOTION AND THEN MATT NOMINATION MUST BE SECONDED. THE DIFFERENT NAMES WILL BE REPEATED AS THEY ARE MOVED AND SECONDED AND THEN THE VOTE WILL BE TAKEN AFTER ALL NOMINATIONS ARE SUBMITTED.

THEY WILL BE TAKEN ON EACH NOMINEE IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE NOMINATED UNTIL ONE IS ELECT BY MAJORITY VOTE.

ESSENTIALLY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE ELEANOR NOMINATE YOURSELF TO ME YOU CAN DO SO YOU JUST NEED A SECOND WEEK CAN CONTINUE DOING THAT UNTIL EVERYONE HAS SUBMITTED THEIR NOMINATIONS ARE THEN WE WILL TAKE A VOTE. SAME THING FOR THE

VICE CHAIR. >> YOU LOOK CONFUSED.

>> I WOULD NOMINATE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO SERVE ANOTHER YEAR

AS CHAIR. >> TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY

MOUTH. >> OKAY. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE NOMINATION ON THE FLOOR FOR MELISSA GUTHRIE, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT. SPEAKING IN THE THIRD PERSON. ADDITIONAL NOMINATIONS. OKAY. ARE WE SURE? IS EVERYBODY REALLY SURE? ALL RIGHT. I GUESS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF GUTHRIE SERVING AS CHAIR FOR THE UP COMING YEAR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY TRAN OR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN ME YOUR KID HAS BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING AS CHAIR AND I WANT TO SAY A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO THE STAFF TO ANSWER ALL OF MY QUESTIONS AND PUT UP WITH ME FOR MY

EMAILS DISAPPEAR, TOO. >> THE PROCESS REALLY SMOOTH.

THANK YOU. NOW WE MOVE ON TO VICE CHAIR. SAME PROCESS FOR

NOMINATIONS. >> JB HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AS VICE CHAIR. I WOULD NOMINATE JB IF HE IS WILLING TO SERVE

ANOTHER YEAR AS VICE CHAIR. >> I WILL SECOND.

[Staff Reports]

>> ADDITIONAL NOMINATIONS? THIS IS GOING TO BE EASY. ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL TAKE THE VOTE THEN. ALL IN FAVOR OF JB MILLER SERVING AS VICE CHAIR FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, THEY SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY. ALL RIGHT. MR. MILLER, YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL, AND WITH THAT EMMA WE WILL MOVE

ON. >> OKAY. AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THE 2023 RECOMMENDED PROPERTIES LIST THAT WE JUST RENT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BY THE CHAIR FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE MARCH 5TH MEETING AND IS ENCOURAGED THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS ATTEND THIS MEETING. AND ON TO THE NEXT ISSUE, CURRENT BUDGET BALANCE AS OF JANUARY 2024 WAS 3,000,476 111.59. THERE YOU GO. THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED. THERE HAS BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND EXPENDITURES IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS ON SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE INSPECTION DAYS. THE WILL AND SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS NUMBER.

THIS WAS TAKEN AT THE END OF JANUARY. JUST ANOTHER REMINDER THAT CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT TRANSFER OR OTHER OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE LIST THAT ARE APPROVED BY THE BSE SEAT. IN MARCH, THEY APPROVED THE LIST. CONCEPTUAL MANAGEMENT PLANS

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IT IS STILL INCONCLUSIVE. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TESTING NEEDED FOR THAT. THE FINALIZATION OF THAT WILL BE BEEF OR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE 20TH OF THIS MONTH. BASICALLY, THE DECISION WILL BE WHETHER TO CONTINUE THE TESTING OR TO NOT APPROVE THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT.

I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT THE INTEREST THEY SHOW LAKES PROPERTY OWNER MUST ISLAND, JUST NORTH OF 312, HAS BEEN ACQUIRED BY THE COUNTY. THAT'S GOOD. OUR FIRST OFFICIAL ACQUISITION. AT 50 ACRES THERE. COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH, MIKE LOWE CREEK PROPERTY IS STILL IN THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE REAL ESTATE FAR. WARD MEMBERS SHOULD PROVIDE ANY NEW AVAILABLE PROPERTIES FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD TO GO OUT AND SEARCH FOR PROPERTIES. REACH OUT TO WILLING SELLERS. OBVIOUSLY, WELCOME TO LAUREN FOR YOUR FIRST MEETING. I THINK THAT'S

[Board Member Reports]

ALL THE STAFF REPORTS. >> THANK YOU. I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD POP SOME CHAMPAGNE OR SOMETHING. GOT THE FIRST PROPERTY OF WIRED. KUDOS TO EVERYONE INVOLVED HERE CAN THE QUESTIONS FOR RYAN? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO WORK REPORT.

ANYTHING? >> REPORTS FROM ME. JUST A COMMENT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE LIST WE APPROVED THIS YEAR. THE PROGRAM IS GETTING SOME MOMENTUM, I GUESS. I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT MIGHT COME AWAY THIS YEAR.

>> MR. MILLER. SPENT THE QUALITY OF THE PROPERTY DEFINITELY, WITH NO DISRESPECT TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES, JUST TOOK A BIG JUMP RECENTLY AND THAT IS PRETTY EXCITING. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT PART OF LAMP AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAMP, ST. AUGUSTINE JUST APPROVED THEIR FIRST ACQUISITION PROGRAM LAST MONDAY. THANKS TO ANYONE INVOLVED IN THAT, OUR COMMISSION APPROVED THAT. IT WON'T AFFECT LAMP BECAUSE LAMP CAN'T BUY ANYTHING IN THE CITY AND THE CITY CAN'T BUY ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY. BUT GOOD NEWS BECAUSE I HOPE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE HOPING TO START OUT SMALL AND HOPEFULLY GET BETTER AND BETTER PROPERTIES AS WE EXPAND. THE CITY IS ALSO INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY DOING BONDS TO HELP WITH THE ACQUISITION WHICH IS INCREDIBLY GOOD NEWS. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING. AND EVERYBODY.

>> YES. THANK YOU, MR. MILLER, FOR AGREEING TO BE THE VICE CHAIR AGAIN. IT WILL JUST ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THE PROPERTY LIST GOING FORWARD. IT'S AN HONOR TO PRESENT THEM IN MARCH TO THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU AGAIN REELECTION. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO AN EVEN BETTER YEAR

THIS YEAR. >> I WAS GOING TO ECHO ELIZABETH'S COMMENTS FROM EARLIER IN THE MEETING BUT CERTAINLY TO THE STAFF ON THE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. WE DON'T SEE THAT WE JUST GET THE BENEFIT OF IT WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND WHEN WE ARE PREPPING FOR OUR MEETINGS, SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HELPS FACILITATE THIS WHOLE PROGRAM. I JUST WANTED TO SAY A QUICK THANKS AND CERTAINLY ALSO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPERATORS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING

UP AND HONORED TO SERVE. >> GREAT.

>> YES. I ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. I DID WANT TO BRING

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GOOD FOR THOUGHT. >> THE DECISION WOULD LIE WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UHRICH IF YOU SEE A PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY OWNS AND THERE'S DISCUSSION TO SAY, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, SELLING IT FOR SOME OTHER REASON OR DOING SOMETHING ELSE, THE BOARD DID BRING IT FORWARD IS A DISCUSSION ITEM AND MUCH LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY, COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION LETTER TO SAY HEY, WE SEE IT. COULD BE USED FOR X USE WHETHER THAT IS PASSIVE RECREATION OR PRESERVATION USES VERSUS SELLING IT FOR SOME OTHER USE.

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